| 00:00.14 | zak_ | asg: That'd be crap. If you added a disk at hdb, all your numbers would break. I really hope grub doesn't do it that way. |
| 00:00.44 | opnsrc | rcx.d runs everthing in the rcx.d folders in order |
| 00:00.47 | NickWasMagic | asg, IDE Primary Master is a 40gb disk, IDE Primary slave is a LG DVD Burner and IDE Secondary Master is a Quantum Fireball 30gb |
| 00:01.08 | asg | zak_: I've seen it with having a Windows XP partition not boot between a Debian and OpenBSD one before. |
| 00:01.14 | NickWasMagic | asg, GRUB seems to recognize both HDS, because Debian is installed at hda |
| 00:01.18 | soundray | opnsrc, if you find something in /etc/init.d/ that you don't need, it's best to uninstall it with apt-get remove. |
| 00:01.39 | opnsrc | Well I don't want to uninstall it, just stop it from starting with my comp |
| 00:01.40 | asg | NickWasMagic: then try booting the second off hd1 |
| 00:01.59 | NickWasMagic | asg, what? |
| 00:02.25 | KerPlunk | opnsrc: apt-get install rcconf |
| 00:02.37 | zak_ | opnsrc: If you use file-rc, you get to edit all that stuff in one file, /etc/runlevel.conf. |
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| 00:02.55 | asg | NickWasMagic: sorry, work issue. Gotta jet. |
| 00:02.55 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 00:03.16 | jetscreamer | opnsrc: dirty hack: chmod -x |
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| 00:03.50 | zak_ | opnsrc: Personally I much prefer that. But the proper way to disable something is usually either to chmod -x the binary (as most init scripts test that first), or take advantage of any ssh-not-to-be-run type stuff, or insert something at the top of the init script to echo something then exit 0. |
| 00:04.24 | zak_ | There's also update-rc.d, but I find that unreliable. |
| 00:04.37 | opnsrc | like a printf ? |
| 00:04.55 | opnsrc | anywho I'm going to try that program you said |
| 00:04.55 | soundray | zak_, that's harsh judgment for such a basic tool... |
| 00:04.59 | zak_ | Something like: echo "I disabled $0"; exit 0 |
| 00:05.19 | debiankid | here any1 know hot to set up cacti web statitics analyzer? |
| 00:05.42 | zak_ | soundray: I know. The problem isn't the tool, I don't think. I think some packages undo my changes and re-enable themselves, and I couldn't be arsed to file bugs at the time. |
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| 00:06.01 | soundray | zak_, I see. |
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| 00:06.18 | jetscreamer | xdm kdm and gdm do that zak, to default-display-manager |
| 00:06.27 | jetscreamer | some common script |
| 00:06.52 | jetscreamer | i tried to file a bug but the stupid pw doesn't work in reportbug.conf |
| 00:07.05 | opnsrc | file-rc wants to uninstall sysv-rc |
| 00:07.07 | jetscreamer | and i didn't wanna send it in the clear |
| 00:07.13 | zak_ | opnsrc: That's fine. |
| 00:07.19 | opnsrc | what's sysv-rc |
| 00:07.21 | jetscreamer | so sysv-rc is what you have installed for tha tpurpose atm |
| 00:07.23 | soundray | debiankid, no, but if I wanted to know, I'd look in /usr/share/doc/cacti -- have you looked there? |
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| 00:07.38 | beardy | opnsrc: Why do you need or want file-rc? |
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| 00:07.50 | jetscreamer | sgeigerbot! |
| 00:07.51 | sam_ | debiankid: cacti isn't for analyzing apache logs |
| 00:08.05 | opnsrc | zak_ recommended it for runlevel control |
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| 00:08.07 | sam_ | it's for graphing snmp data |
| 00:08.15 | sam_ | like from routers and.. well, basically anything |
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| 00:08.33 | sam_ | i suppose it could be made to graph certain things based on an apache log |
| 00:08.35 | opnsrc | how do I run sysv-rc then? |
| 00:08.40 | sam_ | but you'd have to write a script to pull that info out FOR it |
| 00:08.43 | kennedy | hey everyone |
| 00:08.49 | debiankid | sam_ yes but i cannot c the im,ages :(( |
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| 00:09.00 | bsims | Is it possible to use Mac printer drivers on Linux (they both use Gutenprint don't they?) |
| 00:09.01 | sam_ | debiankid: do you have php4-gd installed? |
| 00:09.02 | beardy | !wayttd opnsrc |
| 00:09.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, opnsrc? |
| 00:09.07 | debiankid | sam_ i dont know why i did all well as the install sayd |
| 00:09.10 | iwilcox | opnsrc: You never run it explicitly, it runs at boot. |
| 00:09.18 | kennedy | if anyone can help me with simple install problem message me plz |
| 00:09.18 | opnsrc | Oh ok |
| 00:09.23 | debiankid | sam_ php-gd ? no |
| 00:09.30 | jetscreamer | beardy: him wanna disable startup items |
| 00:09.37 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 00:09.46 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 00:09.48 | beardy | !rcconf |
| 00:09.48 | dpkg | it has been said that rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 00:09.53 | beardy | opnsrc: ^^^ |
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| 00:10.06 | sam_ | debiankid: oh i may have been wrong about that, it's supposed to generate graphs with rrdtool |
| 00:10.07 | debiankid | sam_ i download php4 and i compiled but i dont know what is php4-gd |
| 00:10.08 | iwilcox | Hmm. Not heard of rcconf. |
| 00:10.27 | sam_ | debiankid: php4-gd is a thing that php scripts usually use to generate graphics like graphs |
| 00:10.32 | sam_ | but i think cacti uses rrdtool instead. |
| 00:10.33 | debiankid | sam_ yes i have rddtool installed but nothing happedns |
| 00:10.35 | SerajewelKS | GAAAH |
| 00:10.50 | sam_ | it needs data first, otherwise you'll get an empty graph |
| 00:10.55 | debiankid | sam_ yes but he dont creathe the graphs |
| 00:11.11 | sgeigerbot | !rcconf is also check out sysv-rc-conf ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 00:11.11 | dpkg | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 00:11.13 | opnsrc | Ok I think I'll use Rcconf |
| 00:11.14 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 00:11.19 | kennedy | is there a way to get to a basic linux system is KDE as my desktop |
| 00:11.21 | debiankid | sam_ the point is that he dont showme the images |
| 00:11.22 | SerajewelKS | why must twinview be so stupid |
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| 00:11.35 | Qalimas | Does anyone know of a really good AIM client for KDE? I'm not interested in Kopete nor Gaim, AIM only support is fine, multi-protocol support isn't needed, help is much appreciated :) |
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| 00:11.41 | debiankid | :(( |
| 00:11.42 | debiankid | i dont know what to do |
| 00:12.19 | beardy | jabber? wth is that doing there? |
| 00:12.19 | SerajewelKS | is it at all possible to swap heads with twinview? i want the LCD to be head 0 and the CRT to be head 1. |
| 00:12.19 | sgeigerbot | !+update-rc.d |
| 00:12.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 00:12.19 | iwilcox | So, if I'm running acpid, and /proc/acpi/event is single-open, how has X managed to grab that...erm...whatever 'event' is? |
| 00:12.37 | sgeigerbot | !update-rc.d is also see rcconf |
| 00:12.37 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 00:12.38 | SerajewelKS | simply using RightOf/LeftOf does not change which monitor is the primary head.. so right now full-screen games show up on the right monitor (ick) |
| 00:13.23 | kennedy | anyone have an easy way to get debian down to basic KDE? |
| 00:13.23 | debiankid | sam_ i think is the raw folder permissions |
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| 00:13.35 | beardy | kennedy: ? |
| 00:13.36 | iwilcox | Qalimas: What's up with kopete and gaim? |
| 00:13.46 | debiankid | sam_ rra :) |
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| 00:14.04 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: where are the old pains-in-the-asses that used to hang out here? |
| 00:14.04 | kennedy | beardy: i want to get my debian to KDE with almost no apps, then manually install the ones i want |
| 00:14.04 | Inside | D: |
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| 00:14.27 | jetscreamer | kennedy: use a packagemanager and purge everything except standard and important |
| 00:14.29 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 00:14.31 | iwilcox | kennedy: So install just the apps you want, and you'll only get them and their deps. |
| 00:14.37 | beardy | kennedy: "/msg dpkg install kde" Purge kde and isntall what you want. |
| 00:14.44 | iwilcox | kennedy: debfoster is your friend :) |
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| 00:14.58 | Nurbs | debfoster is my friend, too |
| 00:14.59 | jetscreamer | see also deborphan |
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| 00:15.13 | bucky | sgeigerbot: we banned them all |
| 00:15.14 | Qalimas | iwilcox: I've used both, I don't like how Gaim looks in KDE, and Kopete is buggy for me, I know of SIM, but it's too basic and doesn't work as expected |
| 00:15.15 | kennedy | what package manager do you suggest to do that, i have the KDE one and the symatic or something |
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| 00:15.25 | bucky | sgeigerbot: starting with mwilson |
| 00:15.39 | jetscreamer | sgeigerbot: no idea, i finally decided to rejoin |
| 00:15.48 | beardy | kennedy: aptitude or apt-get |
| 00:15.56 | iwilcox | Qalimas: Hmm. Kopete worketh for me, except idle-ness, which is just totally broken. |
| 00:15.56 | jetscreamer | mwilson is good |
| 00:16.08 | beardy | !tell kennedy about reference |
| 00:16.12 | beardy | kennedy: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 00:16.14 | bucky | mwilson is banned for eternity |
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| 00:16.30 | jetscreamer | kennedy: synaptic if you must |
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| 00:16.45 | jetscreamer | sounds like mwilson mwilsonized you |
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| 00:16.54 | bucky | bannished to wailing and gnashing of teeth where the flame never consumeth |
| 00:16.57 | |nuno| | greetings |
| 00:16.59 | Erpo | How do I get telnet to send each character as I type it rather than waiting for me to hit enter and sending the text in one big packet? |
| 00:17.00 | kurumin | hi |
| 00:17.02 | monteiro | how i save my sound mixer withouth using alsactl store ? |
| 00:17.08 | kurumin | i'm from brasil |
| 00:17.13 | Inside | Hey guys, here's a problem, I just installed debian on my old PC and I can't even get it to ping anything on the internet. Gah! I've edited the /etc/network/interfaces and the /etc/resolv.conf and I think I got the right settings in there... but I still am getting problems when I try to ping even the router on my network... |
| 00:17.13 | kennedy | thanks for your help everyone! ill try and come back if i need help |
| 00:17.14 | beardy | Erpo: It doesn't. |
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| 00:17.25 | kurumin | where you are ? |
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| 00:17.32 | Erpo | beardy: Ethereal says it does. |
| 00:17.35 | jetscreamer | !tell kurumin -about br |
| 00:17.41 | jetscreamer | if you like portuguese |
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| 00:17.51 | |nuno| | i'm trying to install a chrooted system, but i'm having problems... when i chroot inside the system, i dont have de disk devices available, so i cant configure /etc/fstab to mount them... any ideas? |
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| 00:18.05 | beardy | Erpo: What does that know? |
| 00:18.09 | js_ | |nuno|: you mount them from the outside |
| 00:18.14 | jetscreamer | yes. /proc isn't mounted |
| 00:18.17 | web | how can i see the information going into a socket |
| 00:18.23 | iwilcox | Erpo: Erm, that's odd. |
| 00:18.32 | kurumin | someone from BRASIL ?? |
| 00:18.40 | |nuno| | kurumin: i'm from portugal... |
| 00:18.44 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 00:18.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:18.44 | kurumin | OR SPEAK PORTUGUESE ? |
| 00:18.44 | beardy | Erpo: Why on earth are you using telnet for anyway? |
| 00:18.45 | azeem | !br |
| 00:18.52 | jetscreamer | sheesh pay attention |
| 00:19.05 | iwilcox | beardy: (yeah, that was gonna be my next q too :) ) |
| 00:19.12 | |nuno| | js_: yes, but then i dont have the info available when i run df inside the jail |
| 00:19.27 | Inside | anyone D:? |
| 00:19.28 | Erpo | beardy: I'm trying to find an easy way to test Cox Communications is secretly zapping peer to peer connections from its subscribers. |
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| 00:19.40 | js_ | |nuno|: copy mtab there |
| 00:19.48 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 00:19.48 | |nuno| | js_: k.. let me try |
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| 00:19.51 | js_ | and create device nodes |
| 00:19.53 | js_ | mount /proc/ |
| 00:19.54 | js_ | something like that |
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| 00:20.39 | iwilcox | Erpo: I prefer netcat for that kinda thing. telnet sends extra stuff down the line, whereas netcat is WYSIWYT :) |
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| 00:21.04 | eeyore- | extra stuff? |
| 00:21.10 | iwilcox | Erpo: You might be able to get away with doing 'stty -icanon', maybe. |
| 00:21.11 | jetscreamer | wysiwyt? |
| 00:21.15 | jetscreamer | what's the T |
| 00:21.18 | Inside | type |
| 00:21.18 | iwilcox | Yeah, like usernames and stuff |
| 00:21.18 | beardy | type |
| 00:21.20 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:21.28 | row | What do people use to burn data DVDs here, cause K3b can't verify disks I need to change my burning application. |
| 00:21.29 | row | ? |
| 00:21.30 | beardy | eeyore-: It does. |
| 00:21.38 | jetscreamer | k3b can verify |
| 00:21.39 | eeyore- | beardy: are you talking about TCP nagle? |
| 00:21.47 | eeyore- | beardy: vs. NODELAY? |
| 00:21.53 | jetscreamer | and i use k3b to burn dvd's |
| 00:21.54 | row | jetscreamer: not just me look http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348929 |
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| 00:22.03 | Inside | So yeah, anyone have any ideas on what I can do to make my debian box even be able to ping the router? |
| 00:22.06 | jetscreamer | well ok i haven't lately |
| 00:22.21 | beardy | eeyore-: I wasn't the one that said it, I only know what netcats docs say, and they say that about telnet. |
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| 00:22.34 | SerajewelKS | god i'm getting pissed with nvidia |
| 00:22.45 | jetscreamer | Inside: /etc/network/interfaces, make sure it says auto eth0 lo or whatever |
| 00:22.46 | |nuno| | js_: ok... it's how i wanted it but it'll do... tks :) |
| 00:22.57 | eeyore- | beardy: well, telnet will have more overhead simply because it sets TCP_NODELAY flag that will result in more TCP packets being sent |
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| 00:23.05 | mfrisch | SerajewelKS: mine works fine module-assistant works |
| 00:23.05 | viper | lo |
| 00:23.10 | SerajewelKS | how the hell do i tell twinview that i want DFP-0 to be head 0 and CRT-0 to be head 1 |
| 00:23.11 | row | jetscreamer: its starting to piss me off that I have to test EVERYTHING I burn before I can remove it. |
| 00:23.12 | delire | row: i use 'growisofs' mostly, though 'gnomebaker' when i need to manage a burn better. |
| 00:23.23 | b0b | account on |
| 00:23.23 | SerajewelKS | mfrisch: of course the module works, but twinview is being a bitch |
| 00:23.25 | Inside | it says just auto eth0 |
| 00:23.26 | jetscreamer | auto eth0 |
| 00:23.27 | Inside | no lo |
| 00:23.32 | jetscreamer | ok that's fine |
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| 00:23.41 | jetscreamer | not the problem i was having then.. g'luck |
| 00:23.42 | mfrisch | SerajewelKS: aah |
| 00:23.47 | row | dlire: I see will look into gnomebaker, does it verify the data? |
| 00:24.00 | SerajewelKS | the card *insists* on making the right CRT head 0 |
| 00:24.05 | SerajewelKS | which fucks up KDE and full-screen games |
| 00:24.10 | delire | row: i believe you have the option. i never bothered to notice. |
| 00:24.24 | row | delire cool cheers. |
| 00:24.26 | jetscreamer | i had some kind of hotplug interfaces weirdness amending my interfaces file and it 'didn't work' |
| 00:24.28 | delire | np |
| 00:24.36 | karsten | SerajewelKS: You can set your X position w/ x.org. |
| 00:24.50 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: you can configure that |
| 00:24.54 | jetscreamer | in xorg.conf |
| 00:24.56 | beardy | VicNomaD: Ask in here. Do not /msg people. |
| 00:25.06 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i can set the *position* of the windows. i cannot change which one is head 0 and which is head 1. |
| 00:25.12 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 00:25.12 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: how, pray tell? |
| 00:25.17 | jetscreamer | one moment |
| 00:25.39 | karsten | SerajewelKS: You can define which monitor is left/right of whatever. |
| 00:25.49 | SerajewelKS | karsten: that is not the same as which is head 0 and which is head 1. |
| 00:25.58 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Howso? |
| 00:26.01 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it defines the position of head 1 relative to head 0. |
| 00:26.09 | Inside | this is what my /etc/network/interfaces file looks like http://rafb.net/paste/results/W24uQq92.html (tried to copy it as right as I could |
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| 00:26.16 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Whats' teh significance of head 1/0 then? |
| 00:26.26 | karsten | Well.... you know what I mean. |
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| 00:26.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: single-monitor resolutions go on head 0 |
| 00:26.41 | SerajewelKS | karsten: KDE panel goes on head 0 unless i change that |
| 00:26.59 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i want to play games on my left LCD, not my right CRT |
| 00:27.12 | tvn | anyone wants to help me tackle an algorithm question ? (I posted it here http://community.livejournal.com/algorithms/71117.html) |
| 00:27.12 | karsten | SerajewelKS: man xorg.conf. ITYN 'Screen' |
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| 00:27.26 | SerajewelKS | karsten: twinview does not use multiple screen sections |
| 00:27.32 | viper | hi, has anyone ever followed this guide http://home.comcast.net/~canez/d610/ for debian on the Dell Latitude D610 laptop? |
| 00:27.37 | tvn | oops |
| 00:27.40 | tvn | wrong channel |
| 00:27.42 | karsten | SerajewelKS: WTF is twinview? |
| 00:27.51 | Inside | sounds like something for dual monitors? |
| 00:27.56 | SerajewelKS | karsten: exactly. nvidia bullshit. |
| 00:28.03 | Erpo | stty -icanon doesn't fix it, and netcat is also waiting for the complete line before it sends. |
| 00:28.03 | SerajewelKS | Inside: brilliant |
| 00:28.05 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 00:28.05 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 00:28.25 | Inside | so yeah o_O |
| 00:28.46 | karsten | Erpo: I think we missed the question. |
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| 00:28.53 | SerajewelKS | i just need the card to detect the LCD as head 0. that's all i want. why is it so goddamn hard. |
| 00:28.54 | relic | O.o |
| 00:28.58 | Inside | ~_~ |
| 00:29.00 | apt | [_~] sour face |
| 00:29.07 | Inside | Yes, yes it is. |
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| 00:29.21 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Swap displays / cards? |
| 00:29.42 | FliesLikeABrick | how can i blacklist certain packages so that they don't update? I want to prevent the kernel from upgrading, but I want to be able to run dist-upgrade periodically to upgrade everything else |
| 00:29.43 | SerajewelKS | karsten: they're on one card, one output is DVI, the other is VGA. how do you propose that i swap them. |
| 00:29.52 | Inside | hrmmm |
| 00:30.03 | Erpo | When I telnet to www.google.com port 80 and type GNUTELLA into the connected telnet window, telnet does not generate any packets. When I then press enter, it sends a packet containing GNUTELLA 0x0d 0x0a down the line. I want it to send each character one by one. |
| 00:30.16 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Ah. I'd missed that detail. There *are* however adapters. |
| 00:30.22 | SerajewelKS | karsten: which is sort of my point. there must be a way to tell the card to use DVI for head 0. but nooooo, VGA is all-supreme. |
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| 00:30.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: the whole idea behind DVI is digital. |
| 00:30.40 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/index.html |
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| 00:30.52 | jetscreamer | so SerajewelKS one card or two |
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| 00:31.02 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Just to make dead-positive-certain: the serverlayout bit is irrelevant to this then, right? |
| 00:31.10 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i don't want some physical hack where i need to buy a DVI-to-VGA or VGA-to-DVI. i want the nvidia driver to be smart about this. |
| 00:31.14 | Jake | whats the best way to give my eth0 a static ip |
| 00:31.15 | SerajewelKS | karsten: yes |
| 00:31.18 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: one card |
| 00:31.20 | Jake | (and for it too stay) |
| 00:31.20 | FliesLikeABrick | Jake ifconfig |
| 00:31.23 | FliesLikeABrick | er |
| 00:31.24 | FliesLikeABrick | sorry |
| 00:31.32 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Sorry, all I know. Might take this to a HW-centric mailing list. |
| 00:31.33 | FliesLikeABrick | Jake edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:31.35 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: don't plug in vga until later? :-) |
| 00:31.37 | Jake | FliesLikeABrick, thankyee |
| 00:31.43 | beardy | !tell Jake -about interfaces |
| 00:31.45 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: then X will start single-head |
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| 00:31.59 | jetscreamer | so you want the lcd/dvi to be primary |
| 00:32.10 | devsforev | Quick question... I remember with Gentoo I had to run etc-update after updating my packages... Do I have to do something similar for debian? |
| 00:32.10 | black_Nightmare | anyone here used netinst way to install before? |
| 00:32.12 | jetscreamer | that's settable. now let me remember/find how |
| 00:32.14 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: yes, primary as in head 0, not primary as in offset 0,0 (though that too) |
| 00:32.29 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: no idea. i only have an ATI with dvi/dsub, not nvidia. the only nvidia i have now is on the laptop and it doesn't have dvi ... well, it considers the internal panel as DFP-0 |
| 00:32.55 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: i've tried swapping the order of the ConnectedMonitor option.. that didn't do a thing |
| 00:33.02 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ...and if you *do* find a solution please post it somewhere Google will hit. |
| 00:33.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: will try |
| 00:33.42 | phogg | Why does xterm now print 'æ' instead of skipping forward a word when I do ALT+F? |
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| 00:36.49 | viper | hi everyone, I've been trying to upgrade my kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.12, as it says in a guide, with the following: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 00:37.43 | viper | which worked; then the guide says to 'make a link to the kernel source' with cd /usr/src then tar xjvf linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2 |
| 00:37.57 | viper | at which pt i get an error |
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| 00:38.18 | SerajewelKS | viper: which error |
| 00:38.26 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-d.html |
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| 00:39.04 | al | So, I'm playing a game called Continuum, run under wine, on Debian 3.1. I'm having trouble with the game resolution. Even with the ingame settings of, say, 1024x768 I get more like 640x480. Does this sound like a conflict with X? It doesn't look tweakable at the XF86Config level. |
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| 00:39.39 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it's this one #Option"ConnectedMonitor""CRT, CRT" |
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| 00:39.53 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: 19:32 < SerajewelKS> jetscreamer: i've tried swapping the order of the ConnectedMonitor option.. that didn't do a thing |
| 00:40.04 | viper | er i cant msg you serajewel... something about being unregistered |
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| 00:40.11 | jetscreamer | ok but i've seen it, brbbl |
| 00:40.46 | dob2 | why netbeans is not in debian? |
| 00:41.12 | viper | my error was, Cannot open: no such file or directory |
| 00:41.19 | mfrisch | !info java |
| 00:41.19 | iwilcox | If you want a machine to do SNAT, do you need IP forwarding turned on too? |
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| 00:41.49 | iwilcox | ISTR the answer being a surprising "no", so just thought I'd check. |
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| 00:42.47 | bsims | !perl |
| 00:42.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ |
| 00:43.09 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: did you do/try the non-twinview dual head setup also? ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8178/README/appendix-p.html |
| 00:43.16 | bsims | How do I install a perl package on debian, I know there was someway to do it via apt |
| 00:43.31 | mith | bsims: um, install the package |
| 00:43.37 | iwilcox | bsims: As in, install an unpackaged one? |
| 00:43.39 | delire | perl 'package'? |
| 00:43.42 | jetscreamer | bsims: apt-cache search <searchterm> apt-get install <package> |
| 00:43.43 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: doesn't non-twinview degrade 3d acceleration? |
| 00:43.49 | bsims | iwilcox: yeah |
| 00:43.58 | delire | bsims: you mean a debian application that happens to be a perl script? |
| 00:44.00 | Ryushin | I'm having a wierd problem. I got the source package for vlc. But when I do a apt-get build-dep vlc, it says build dependencies can't be satisfied. |
| 00:44.01 | iwilcox | bsims: There's dpkg-perl (I think it's called) |
| 00:44.02 | jetscreamer | SerajewelKS: that i don't know and never heard of before |
| 00:44.10 | mith | delire: no he means a perl module |
| 00:44.18 | iwilcox | Hmm, maybe not... |
| 00:44.20 | delire | mith: oh i see |
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| 00:44.28 | mith | bsims: is it not already a package? |
| 00:44.35 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: and afaik that config is for two X *displays* on one card |
| 00:44.42 | bsims | MIME::Base64 not that I see |
| 00:44.45 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: e.g. two mice, keyboards, etc. at least that's what it says. |
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| 00:44.50 | jetscreamer | but what i remember may be a xfree option not an nvidia |
| 00:45.10 | al | Anyone know if wine progs have resolution conflicts with X? |
| 00:45.24 | al | wine-run progs that is |
| 00:45.28 | SerajewelKS | al: wtf is a resolution conflict |
| 00:45.42 | mith | bsims: umm: |
| 00:45.43 | mith | mith@torg:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/perl/5.8.4/auto/MIME/Base64/Base64.so |
| 00:45.43 | mith | perl: /usr/lib/perl/5.8.4/auto/MIME/Base64/Base64.so |
| 00:45.48 | al | as in won't run at the chosen res |
| 00:45.49 | mith | bsims: it's part of perl. |
| 00:45.55 | iwilcox | bsims: dh-make-perl gets you .debs of modules you don't have, if that's what you want. |
| 00:46.09 | SerajewelKS | !tell viper1 about in the channel |
| 00:46.10 | bsims | Ah thats it |
| 00:46.14 | bsims | thanks |
| 00:46.22 | iwilcox | Many a time that's helped me out. |
| 00:46.27 | tuv | i have ssh access to a private network through the internet. one machine on that network is on the internet and i can get to the other through that machine. i need to access port 80 (www) on one machine on that network for which i have root access. that is the only machine on the private network that i have root access for. how can i do that? |
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| 00:46.55 | mith | i don't understand how he could have a debian packaged perl and not have MIME::Base64 :P |
| 00:47.18 | al | I guess my question should be: Does anyone have resolution problems with Continuum/wine? |
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| 00:47.29 | tuv | i tried port forwarding with ssh -L but forwarding an already forwarded port didn't seem to work |
| 00:47.42 | mkrufky_ | chealer: and karsten: the two you helped me yesterday with a problem i couldnt reproduce..... gnome not allowing me to shift focus to a new window ... do you remember? I have reason to believe that gAIM is causing the problem |
| 00:47.51 | mkrufky_ | but im not sure |
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| 00:48.34 | iwilcox | mith: Yeah, that is a bit strange. |
| 00:48.44 | chealer | mkrufky_: hum. so what did you find? |
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| 00:49.07 | tuv | how can i forward port 80 through a series of machines to my local machine? |
| 00:49.33 | mkrufky_ | chealer: well, the problem is happening right now.... i have gaim open, talking to you, and i cannot focus on ANYTHING else..... but if i ALT-F4 on this chat window, then suddenly my gnome menus work, and i can shift focus anywhere |
| 00:49.51 | mkrufky_ | the other box is compiling kernel modules -- no problem (yet) |
| 00:50.01 | chealer | mkrufky_: BTW, s/gAIM/Gaim :) |
| 00:50.04 | mkrufky_ | of course, i JUST walked in... |
| 00:50.07 | mkrufky_ | oh, sorry |
| 00:50.28 | mkrufky_ | hehe.. i say gAIM because i have tons of loser friends that use windows |
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| 00:50.39 | mkrufky_ | it makes it so they can understand ;-) |
| 00:51.19 | chealer | mkrufky_: hehe. but how would a gaim thing explain the issue at gdm's level |
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| 00:51.30 | tuv | how can i forward port 80 on a remote machine through a series of machines to my local machine? i have ssh access to all of them |
| 00:51.49 | catlee | I'm having the strangest problem with bin9-host |
| 00:51.51 | viper1 | @serajewel is there some way to keep track of where I installed linux-source-2.6.12 with aptitude |
| 00:51.53 | |nuno| | bye all... off to bed |
| 00:51.53 | catlee | bind9-host sorry |
| 00:52.02 | catlee | host google.ca |
| 00:52.03 | karsten | tuv: If there's direct connectivity, ssh port forward. If necessary, start on the inside and go out. |
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| 00:52.16 | catlee | every time I get a different bit of garbage |
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| 00:52.40 | mkrufky_ | chealer: this is new sympton, thats all... I cant really blame Gaim. Although, perhaps, possible Gaim may have control of the cursor and is not releasing? Maybe it thinks it is the active window, and wont relinquish? Surely i'm way off..... but i am trying to find a reason |
| 00:52.41 | catlee | The 'host' package works just fine |
| 00:52.47 | iwilcox | catlee: So use that :) |
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| 00:53.14 | viper1 | i'm thinking my error that i mentioned earlier is a result of perhaps a diff extension... |
| 00:53.25 | mkrufky_ | chealer: so, i am typing in this Gaim window, but i cannot resize it either |
| 00:53.33 | catlee | ah, I fixed it |
| 00:53.41 | SerajewelKS | viper1: perhaps you should be asking yourself if you need to compile your own kernel |
| 00:53.48 | catlee | I had 'nameserver localhost' in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:53.58 | catlee | why that gave me garbage is another question |
| 00:54.02 | mkrufky_ | chealer: and, i repeat, the same thing happens on the other box, just this session I was lucky enough to not have the problem occur |
| 00:54.04 | chealer | mkrufky_: I can understand investigating gaim for the part of your problems in gnome, but I don't see how it could have an impact at gdm's level |
| 00:54.11 | mkrufky_ | i dont either |
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| 00:54.24 | mkrufky_ | chealer: it is very unlikely to be Gaim actually causing the problem |
| 00:54.32 | mkrufky_ | but i got nothing else to go on |
| 00:54.48 | viper1 | @serajewelks the guide said that these steps that i took were towards compiling my own kernel |
| 00:54.58 | mkrufky_ | chealer: in both machines, Gaim starts upon login |
| 00:55.01 | mkrufky_ | chealer: oops, but that doesnt explain GDM |
| 00:55.08 | mkrufky_ | sorry... gdm |
| 00:55.18 | chealer | mkrufky_: OK. so you checked system logs and didn't find interesting clues, right? (at least dmesg) |
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| 00:55.22 | mkrufky_ | nothing |
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| 00:55.51 | SerajewelKS | viper1: but why do you need to compile your own kernel |
| 00:56.21 | viper1 | how do i do it otherwise |
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| 00:56.37 | al | compiling in some module or something? |
| 00:56.39 | chealer | mkrufky_: your problem doesn't affect only your keyboard, your mouse also misbehaves, right? |
| 00:57.10 | mkrufky_ | chealer: no, it is not keyb / mouse ... The problem is application input focus |
| 00:57.12 | viper1 | how do i use someone else's kernel package or config file |
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| 00:57.39 | mkrufky_ | chealer: i just cant shift the focus to a new window.... in other words, no, tab doesnt work either |
| 00:57.47 | beardy | !wayc viper1 |
| 00:57.47 | dpkg | viper1: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:57.49 | chealer | mkrufky_: ok. since it's probably easiest to investigate at the dm level, did you try another dm? |
| 00:58.00 | viper1 | once again, the guide i used for reference is http://home.comcast.net/~canez/d610/ , under Kernel Upgrade |
| 00:58.15 | mkrufky_ | that'll be the next step, i guess i'll have to install kdm |
| 00:58.30 | chealer | mkrufky_: can you remember me the issue in gdm BTW? I suppose you don't have many windows in gdm |
| 00:58.38 | chealer | mkrufky_: did you think about xdm? |
| 00:58.41 | delire | mkrufky_: have you tried starting X without starting gdm? |
| 00:58.52 | mkrufky_ | delire: same problem occurs |
| 00:58.53 | iwilcox | If you have an SNAT rule, and you have "-o eth0", do you need a --to-source blah or will iptables just default it to the IP of eth0? |
| 00:59.01 | viper1 | alright, how do i go about it w/ apt-get |
| 00:59.10 | delire | mkrufky_: what about without a gnome-session. |
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| 00:59.28 | beardy | viper1: Just install the kernel-image you want. |
| 00:59.29 | mkrufky_ | ok, let me log in on the good machine so i can test it on this one |
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| 00:59.48 | al | apt-get install kernel-whatever |
| 01:00.10 | mkrufky | delire: without a gnome-session? u just mean plain X? |
| 01:00.14 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: you still there? |
| 01:00.17 | delire | mkrufky_: exit X, go to console, kill gdm, write an ~.xsession file enter your wm of choice and start. |
| 01:00.45 | mkrufky_ | with gnome as my only one crrently installed, i dont have many choices ;-) |
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| 01:01.06 | beardy | mkrufky_: twm |
| 01:01.22 | beardy | should also be installed |
| 01:01.23 | mkrufky_ | sure |
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| 01:01.30 | SerajewelKS | http://pastebin.ca/37487 and note lines 7 and 23 |
| 01:01.35 | mkrufky | takl to me here instead |
| 01:01.38 | delire | mkrufky_: sounds to me like gnome finds a gnome-session file on startup, loads gaim from the session file, fails half way through and focus is stuck somehow therein. |
| 01:01.53 | SerajewelKS | i'm giving it the order i want the monitors (DVI, VGA) and it forces VGA,DVI no matter what i try |
| 01:01.55 | mkrufky | delire: the problem occurs BEFORE user login |
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| 01:02.06 | viper1 | so, like apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.12 ? |
| 01:02.13 | delire | mkrufky: odd. what dist stable/testing/unstable? |
| 01:02.17 | viper1 | instead of linux-source-2.6.12? |
| 01:02.17 | beardy | viper1: kernel-image |
| 01:02.22 | mkrufky | delire: sarge / testing |
| 01:02.23 | al | no kernel-image |
| 01:02.47 | mkrufky | great, now that i closed Gaim on that box, now everything works again |
| 01:02.48 | viper1 | kernel-image-2.6.12? |
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| 01:03.04 | mkrufky | this makes me want to blame gaim, but it makes no sense |
| 01:03.04 | delire | mkrufky: so without using a login manager you still have the problem? |
| 01:03.08 | beardy | viper1: If that is the version you want, yes. |
| 01:03.11 | al | the soruce is the source code for compiling...usually if you want to tweak the kernel by slimming it down or adding something else |
| 01:03.14 | delire | mkrufky: you have a very odd problem there. |
| 01:03.19 | mkrufky | certainly |
| 01:03.22 | viper1 | okay i'll try that, thx for bearing w/ me |
| 01:03.25 | mkrufky | delire: here is the punch line: |
| 01:03.36 | mkrufky | delire: the exact problem is occurring on two boxes |
| 01:03.45 | delire | mkrufky: eh? |
| 01:03.48 | mkrufky | delire: is started on both boxes at the same time |
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| 01:03.59 | mkrufky | delire: both boxes had been running for wuite sometime |
| 01:04.04 | delire | mkrufky: what were you doing when it started. |
| 01:04.13 | web | how can i see the information going into a socket |
| 01:04.17 | chealer | back in a few minutes |
| 01:04.20 | delire | mkrufky: install anything, manipulate any files? |
| 01:04.22 | mkrufky | delire: then i joined chat to tell you guys last night, and suddenly fixed on both boxes |
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| 01:04.48 | al | anyone here play Continuum under Wine? |
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| 01:05.10 | mkrufky | delire: im a v4l/dvb kernel developer ... so ive been messign with the kernel, etc... however, i've already reverted to stable mainline kernel and i still have the same problem |
| 01:05.27 | delire | mkrufky: you know you can really fsck with peoples heads telling stories like this. many like me will start to problematise this fantasty. |
| 01:05.30 | mkrufky | delire: i didnt do anything to both boxes to deserve this |
| 01:05.45 | mkrufky | hehehe |
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| 01:06.14 | mkrufky | delire: the first thing anyone should be thinking is that i'm crazy -- because this bug is absolutely rediculous |
| 01:06.25 | mkrufky | meanwhile, i AM crazy, but this isnt why |
| 01:06.27 | mkrufky | hehe |
| 01:06.41 | fox-boy | help.. what port do I use to configure xfree86 to work with my trackpoint mouse? |
| 01:06.42 | delire | mkrufky: certainly, well your situation is very <cough>unusual</cough>. i'd use one box to experiment on, and the other as a control box. |
| 01:06.46 | viper1 | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.12 resulted in 'Couldn't find package' *sigh* |
| 01:06.51 | delire | mkrufky: anyway, i have to head out for 5 |
| 01:07.17 | mkrufky | ok... wwell, i am going to finish this nxt200x module now, while this box is working |
| 01:07.27 | mkrufky | ping me if you think of anything |
| 01:07.28 | viper1 | oh wait... i should dl it first... |
| 01:07.33 | al | try apt-get install kernel-image, maybe it'll give you a list of available ones |
| 01:07.49 | al | no, apt-get will do that |
| 01:07.59 | tuv | how can i forward a port to another locally? |
| 01:08.07 | devicenull | how do I stop this cron job from mailing me whne it finishes? |
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| 01:08.19 | al | do you have your soruces.list configured ? |
| 01:08.22 | CaT[tm] | make the cronjob not produce output |
| 01:08.24 | al | source.list sry |
| 01:08.31 | al | sources.list sigh |
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| 01:09.03 | viper1 | yes |
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| 01:09.23 | viper1 | it only lists 2.4 kernels |
| 01:09.36 | niten__ | !win me |
| 01:09.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, niten__! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 01:10.00 | devicenull | would it be a good idea to have apt-get update every night? |
| 01:10.15 | tuv | how can i forward a local port to another local port? |
| 01:10.21 | viper1 | okay, the author of the guide says it's possible to use his packages |
| 01:10.21 | sgeigerbot | devicenull: It wont' hurt your system, but it will waste bandwidth. |
| 01:10.26 | al | your sources.list prolly isn't right |
| 01:10.34 | devicenull | weekly a better idea? |
| 01:10.52 | viper1 | ok i'll give them to you in a moment |
| 01:11.04 | sgeigerbot | devicenull: What about when you need to run it? |
| 01:11.05 | threat | whats on fire island? |
| 01:11.27 | threat | devicenull, you may want to install apti-cron |
| 01:11.27 | CaT[tm] | an undersupply of icecubes |
| 01:11.40 | devicenull | whats that do |
| 01:11.44 | threat | devicenull, it apt-get updates and email when updates are avialable |
| 01:11.54 | threat | emails you even |
| 01:12.08 | devicenull | hrm |
| 01:12.12 | devicenull | that might be good |
| 01:12.18 | threat | apt-cache search apt cron |
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| 01:12.29 | threat | indeed |
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| 01:13.49 | viper1 | my sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 01:14.24 | devicenull | I like updating my debian machine more then my windows machine.. all debian requires is two commands and no restart |
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| 01:14.50 | al | and you only get 2.4 kernels listed? that's weird |
| 01:15.12 | viper1 | i was forced to originally run the installer w/ the 2.4 kernel |
| 01:15.22 | al | hey, why can't viper get a listing for 2.6 kernels from apt-get? |
| 01:15.25 | viper1 | because it doesnt recognize SATA drives in the later version |
| 01:15.28 | al | that doesnt matter |
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| 01:16.02 | al | i installed with 2.4 too |
| 01:16.09 | threat | devicenull, yeah its great isnt it :) |
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| 01:16.31 | devicenull | makes me think I should install debian on my desktop |
| 01:16.37 | mkrufky | devicenull: you can turn those 2 commands into 1 |
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| 01:16.45 | devicenull | which I probably will, once amd64 goes to offical |
| 01:16.47 | threat | devicenull, well you have to restart after a kernel update :) and you should restart after updating libc |
| 01:16.56 | mkrufky | devicenull: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:17.14 | viper1 | mkrufky you said to restart after doing those two steps? |
| 01:17.22 | mkrufky | me? never |
| 01:17.49 | viper1 | i believe i updated glibc during the install... should i restart? |
| 01:17.56 | mkrufky | threat is the one that said that... and he's only talking about kernel |
| 01:18.23 | mkrufky | restarting shouldnt HURT ... but the people in this room get freaked out when people talk about "resterting" |
| 01:18.30 | mkrufky | hehe sp |
| 01:18.40 | al | so, why wouldn't viper1 get an apt-get listing for 2.6 kernels? |
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| 01:18.51 | grumillo | what should i do to set up my linux pc has a wireless router? ( i already have a wireless card set up) thanks |
| 01:19.29 | threat | viper1, if you have services running on your computer (like ssh, and a few others) then it recommends to restart the machine after updating libc |
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| 01:20.11 | bhearsum | is there any documented way to install debian with an nfs root? |
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| 01:22.16 | viper1 | i've restarted; once again when i type apt-get install kernel-image it lists about six or seven all beginning with 2.4 |
| 01:22.38 | mkrufky | viper1: what kernel version ARE you running? |
| 01:22.58 | mkrufky | viper1: uname -r |
| 01:22.58 | viper1 | 2.4.686 or something... |
| 01:23.35 | viper1 | sry, i mean 2.4.2-27-386 |
| 01:23.35 | wakest | I have a question, whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu other then one has kde and one has gnome |
| 01:23.37 | mkrufky | well, it's never a fun time upgrading from 2.4.X to 2.6.X ... |
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| 01:23.55 | al | i found it a snap |
| 01:24.02 | mkrufky | ok |
| 01:24.06 | al | lol |
| 01:24.16 | viper1 | rather 2.4.27-2-386, if that matters... |
| 01:24.20 | mkrufky | it that a natural upgrade path for apt? |
| 01:24.32 | mkrufky | i would never |
| 01:24.37 | al | i upgraded from that kernel to 2.6.8 |
| 01:24.49 | wakest | can anyone answer? |
| 01:24.59 | mkrufky | ok, well, Im glad to hear that worked ;-) |
| 01:25.04 | al | lol |
| 01:25.07 | mkrufky | wakest: this is #debian |
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| 01:25.16 | mkrufky | wakest: see TOPIC |
| 01:25.24 | wakest | fuck, I know that, |
| 01:25.25 | wakest | sorry |
| 01:25.28 | mkrufky | ;-) |
| 01:25.36 | wakest | I connected to the wrong channel |
| 01:25.38 | viper1 | lol |
| 01:25.38 | wakest | haha |
| 01:25.40 | wakest | sorry |
| 01:25.43 | mkrufky | wakest: |
| 01:25.50 | mkrufky | wakest: i happen to know the answe |
| 01:25.58 | mkrufky | kubuntu is KDE, ubuntu is gnome |
| 01:26.00 | viper1 | okay, what if i were to use the guide's author's packages |
| 01:26.05 | viper1 | he has them on his site |
| 01:26.15 | viper1 | a .deb file |
| 01:26.16 | mkrufky | wakest: for all other ubuntu related questions, please see the approppriate irc chat room |
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| 01:26.27 | wakest | I know, thanks |
| 01:26.33 | mkrufky | so, no ither diff |
| 01:26.39 | mkrufky | s/ither/other |
| 01:26.42 | al | why not the debian site? |
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| 01:27.03 | viper1 | well i've been using the guide thus far |
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| 01:27.25 | al | that seems odd |
| 01:27.29 | zethreth | I'm trying to build a program from source but when I try a configure it, It can't find my gcc compiler. |
| 01:27.35 | al | I'd go with who I trust |
| 01:27.36 | viper1 | he has a link to his own kernel-image-2.6.12, config-2.6.12, and kernel-headers-2.6.12 |
| 01:27.37 | yeffyumby | any1 know a good video editing program for kde? |
| 01:28.02 | al | so you're simply wanting to upgrade kernels? not use a specifically designed one |
| 01:28.15 | viper1 | he says 2.6.12 is needed for further steps |
| 01:28.21 | al | steps to what |
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| 01:28.54 | DrCurl | hi |
| 01:28.58 | relic | hi |
| 01:29.01 | viper1 | for example, support for the alps touchpad |
| 01:29.01 | DrCurl | which automake should I install? |
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| 01:29.16 | azeem | DrCurl: depends on which you need |
| 01:29.17 | al | the reason i upgraded was to run a tv card that ouldn't run otherwise |
| 01:29.23 | al | ah |
| 01:29.38 | mkrufky | al which card? |
| 01:29.49 | al | mercury...saa7130 |
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| 01:30.05 | mkrufky | ok... just wondering |
| 01:30.07 | al | Phillips chipset |
| 01:30.09 | rendi | hi see http://channels.debian.net/paste/1586 |
| 01:30.21 | rendi | i'm use Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 with kernel 2.6 support packages by Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de> \n \l |
| 01:30.26 | relic | hehe |
| 01:30.34 | dondelelcaro | !b-e zethreth |
| 01:30.35 | dpkg | zethreth: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:30.35 | rendi | and how to add new repos |
| 01:30.46 | viper1 | the thing is that the guide was written expressly for my D610 laptop... so i want to follow it as much as possible |
| 01:31.02 | al | anyhow, viper1...did you check to see that the 2.6 kernel in general supports this touchpad? |
| 01:31.06 | al | aha |
| 01:31.20 | al | perhaps you should go with that then |
| 01:31.26 | relic | hehe to al |
| 01:31.28 | rendi | haloha |
| 01:31.31 | rendi | heloha |
| 01:31.32 | al | hello lol |
| 01:31.36 | yeffyumby | Anybody know of a good video editing program for KDE? |
| 01:31.36 | rendi | can see me |
| 01:31.45 | rendi | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1586 |
| 01:31.58 | relic | aloha |
| 01:32.09 | rendi | how to add new repos beside my cat /etc/issue |
| 01:32.21 | viper1 | no |
| 01:32.27 | rendi | no ? |
| 01:32.38 | viper1 | that was @al |
| 01:32.46 | al | ah |
| 01:32.47 | tuv | how can i forward a local port to another local port? |
| 01:32.49 | rendi | i'm use Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 with kernel 2.6 |
| 01:33.07 | rendi | !sources.list |
| 01:33.07 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 01:33.24 | viper1 | maybe i should download and burn a different version of debian? |
| 01:33.26 | rendi | :( |
| 01:33.46 | al | naw, you could always reinstall afterward if it doesn't work i guess |
| 01:34.00 | rendi | what command to see my version |
| 01:34.02 | al | long as you're not losing all kinds of data |
| 01:34.08 | viper1 | ok, lets say i wanted to use the author's packages |
| 01:34.13 | viper1 | how would i do that |
| 01:34.24 | al | he gives instructions? |
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| 01:34.37 | al | or she lol |
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| 01:34.50 | viper1 | no it's just a link to the files |
| 01:34.53 | viper1 | lol |
| 01:35.05 | al | what does he say to do? nothing? |
| 01:35.26 | al | just says use my kernel, here it is? |
| 01:36.48 | viper1 | kernel-image-2.6.12 is a .deb file; also he has config-2.6.12 and kernel-headers-2.6.12 |
| 01:36.48 | viper1 | the last one is also a .deb file |
| 01:36.48 | rendi | only 2 person alive on this chanel |
| 01:36.48 | al | dl, then dpkg -i kernel-etc |
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| 01:36.49 | viper1 | dl all 3? |
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| 01:36.50 | al | all deb files? |
| 01:36.50 | viper1 | config-2.6.12 does not seem to have an extension |
| 01:37.02 | NOthsouth | hello, where can I find kde 3.5.deb ??? or 3.4.deb |
| 01:37.07 | al | hm |
| 01:37.16 | fox-boy | help... how do I configure xfree86 to recognize my laptop's trackpoint mouse? |
| 01:37.34 | viper1 | you can even view teh config file |
| 01:37.36 | viper1 | http://home.comcast.net/~canez/d610/config-2.6.12 |
| 01:37.45 | al | maybe config- file first, then look for docs like README |
| 01:37.45 | rendi | fox-boy you must waiting to get help |
| 01:37.54 | rendi | i'm iddle here to get help too |
| 01:38.05 | fox-boy | does anyone know if it runs off /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttys1, etc |
| 01:38.09 | chealer | mkrufky: well, did you try xdm? |
| 01:38.15 | tuv | fox-boy: install xfree-driver-synaptics and read its docs |
| 01:38.16 | fox-boy | rendi: thanks |
| 01:38.26 | chealer | NOthsouth: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:38.37 | rendi | hello can anyone see this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1586 |
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| 01:38.41 | i_hate_ubuntu | I want to form the campaign "I hate ubuntu |
| 01:38.41 | i_hate_ubuntu | " |
| 01:38.52 | i_hate_ubuntu | distributing shirts and discs of debian |
| 01:38.52 | rendi | it's right or not ? |
| 01:39.01 | i_hate_ubuntu | I invite them to participate |
| 01:39.36 | fox-boy | tuv: ok but what does xfree-driver-symaptics do? |
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| 01:40.02 | bennylein | moin |
| 01:40.04 | tuv | fox-boy: it's a touchpad driver for xfree |
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| 01:40.11 | mkrufky | chealer: oops, got involved elsewhere... will try now |
| 01:40.11 | al | oh shit |
| 01:40.20 | al | viper1 that's a source config file |
| 01:40.25 | al | for compiling |
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| 01:40.49 | bennylein | can anyone poste me a apt server ? |
| 01:41.01 | rendi | bennylein apt-setup ? |
| 01:41.04 | fox-boy | tuv: will the touchpad driver recognize my trackpoint mouse? you know, the little red dot mouse in the middle of my keyboard? |
| 01:41.05 | i_hate_ubuntu | Who he loves to participate in the campaign I hate to ubuntu |
| 01:41.06 | al | so his kernel-image file must be a kernel-source file |
| 01:41.38 | al | maybe all you need is the config file, then get the source code from debian |
| 01:41.44 | al | dunno |
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| 01:42.23 | mkrufk1 | chealer: now using xdm... it was fine up until i joined #debian |
| 01:42.41 | viper1 | could i just put all three files somewhere and run some command to install his 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 01:42.50 | yeffyumby | any1 know of a good video editing program for KDE? |
| 01:42.51 | al | viper1 you should read up on compiling a kernel, there are good tutorials |
| 01:42.52 | mkrufk1 | the moment Gaim opened the chat room, now i cannot move focus to any other window |
| 01:42.54 | bennylein | thx rendi my apt was confed only for cdrom |
| 01:42.56 | mkrufk1 | chealer: ^^ |
| 01:43.05 | chealer | mkrufk1: I was thinking about checking if there were issues with xdm itself. didn't you say that there was something worng in gdm? |
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| 01:43.13 | tuv | fox-boy: hmm.. actually i'm not sure.. i thought it's a touchpad! sorry for that.. |
| 01:43.20 | chealer | yeffyumby: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:43.26 | al | that config file is just a set of configurable options that the compile process asks you to confirm |
| 01:43.42 | fox-boy | tuv: no worries... I appreciate the help |
| 01:43.46 | mkrufk1 | chealer: xdm itself only has username and password box -- it the problem was occurring, i would have no way to tell |
| 01:43.50 | al | they are obviously setup for this laptop |
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| 01:43.53 | mkrufk1 | s/it/if |
| 01:44.06 | chealer | mkrufk1: ok. what's the problem in gdm? |
| 01:44.47 | mkrufk1 | chealer: using gdm, i can ONLY type in username / password.. i cannot aCCESs the systems settings, sessions, etc buttons |
| 01:44.59 | mkrufk1 | chealer: THE PROBLEM IS CONSISTENT -- ONLY FOREGROUND HAS FOCUS |
| 01:45.04 | mkrufk1 | OOPs sorry for caps |
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| 01:45.18 | viper1 | alright, so this there any command i can type to use his configuration, or..? |
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| 01:45.58 | nichos | hi all, does anyone know how to get OO.org to stop suggesting words as you type? |
| 01:46.23 | rendi | hello |
| 01:46.24 | x_or | I am trying to create an SSH tunnel back to my home network so that I can do secure web browsing over a wireless network. Does anyone know how to do this? Do I need to use squid on the remote host? |
| 01:46.27 | mkrufk1 | chealer: rediculous -- i left #debian, and joined again, now everything works |
| 01:46.32 | rendi | can see this funcking paste http://channels.debian.net/paste/1586 |
| 01:47.04 | chealer | mkrufk1: did you find a way to reproduce reliably (with gaim)? |
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| 01:47.29 | mkrufky | chealer: well, i clicked on rendi's link, and now ONLY mozilla has focus |
| 01:47.47 | mkrufky | chealer: no, no reliable way to reproduce it |
| 01:48.03 | viper1 | *following a tutorial* |
| 01:48.05 | mkrufky | chealer: the problem USUALLY occurs, but i can not reproduce it at will |
| 01:48.15 | mkrufky | going on 3 days now |
| 01:48.38 | tuv | how can i forward a local port to another local port? |
| 01:48.41 | samlii | what are the rc#.d directories for? I know rcS.d is for startup, but what are the others for |
| 01:48.53 | al | viper1 usually you get a gzipped file, unzip it into it's own directory then read the installation process from there...with the deb file, dunno |
| 01:48.55 | maq0r | init levels |
| 01:49.02 | chealer | samlii: $ pager /etc/init.d/README |
| 01:49.03 | mkrufky | luckily i am multi booting different distros on each box, so i can still get work done |
| 01:49.12 | maq0r | rc1.d for level 1, rc3.d for 3 etc... |
| 01:49.13 | mrec | tuv: using ssh -L/-R? |
| 01:49.24 | mkrufky | mrec: fancy seeing YOU here ;-) |
| 01:49.24 | viper1 | ok, thx al, i'll try it |
| 01:49.29 | samlii | thanks |
| 01:49.32 | al | like kernel-source-2.6.blah.tar.gz |
| 01:49.37 | mrec | mkrufky: and I tried to hide myself :P |
| 01:49.43 | mkrufky | didnt do a good job |
| 01:49.48 | tuv | mrec: i need to forward a privileged port and don't want to allow root to ssh |
| 01:49.48 | mrec | :) |
| 01:49.57 | mkrufky | mrec ... i wasw complaining to you about my mouse |
| 01:50.07 | al | can i see the website for the instructions? |
| 01:50.09 | mkrufky | turns out, its crazy problem, nobody can figure it out |
| 01:50.10 | mrec | mkrufky: usb mouse? :P |
| 01:50.13 | mkrufky | nah |
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| 01:50.22 | mkrufky | the problem has nothing to do with keyb/mouse |
| 01:50.43 | viper1 | this site? http://home.comcast.net/~canez/d610/ |
| 01:50.45 | chealer | mkrufk1: we may have discussed that already, but what do the 2 boxes have in common? any configuration files shared? |
| 01:50.52 | mkrufky | the problem is that X will not allow me to move focus to any window other than foreground |
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| 01:51.16 | mkrufky | chealer: nothing.... both i use for gaim and both i use quilt, cvs, kernel-package |
| 01:51.24 | mkrufky | mplayer |
| 01:51.27 | mkrufky | tvtime |
| 01:51.39 | mrec | mkrufky: there are windowmanagers that allow what you want? |
| 01:51.52 | mrec | for example windowmaker? |
| 01:51.56 | mkrufky | mrec: i dont WANT this |
| 01:51.58 | chealer | mkrufky: well, unless you're on dialup, I'd consider installing kde-core for testing at this point |
| 01:52.08 | mkrufky | chealer: i think i will have to |
| 01:52.21 | mkrufky | chealer: i actually prefer kde anyway, but never got around to installing it |
| 01:52.28 | mkrufky | so...... will do |
| 01:52.30 | chealer | or something lighter, I don't know that much |
| 01:52.58 | chealer | XFCE would also show a GTK issue, so I'm not sure it's interesting |
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| 01:53.03 | al | aha |
| 01:53.04 | mkrufky | ok... well, for now, i will finish fomr kernel stuff, then after that, install kde |
| 01:53.05 | al | i see |
| 01:53.25 | mkrufky | i hear xfce us very light |
| 01:53.28 | mkrufky | s/us/is |
| 01:53.50 | chealer | yeah, me too |
| 01:54.36 | mkrufky | dialup -- just imagine |
| 01:54.39 | mkrufky | yuck |
| 01:55.26 | chealer | oh :) |
| 01:55.33 | al | I think he offers the config file to show what he's done to configure it. the .deb file is the readymade kernel, so i sassume he has instructions within that package. once you dl it, try dpkg -i packagename |
| 01:55.41 | mrec | mkrufky: use windowmaker :) |
| 01:55.57 | mkrufky | mrec, im not really looking for a workaround |
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| 01:56.04 | mkrufky | mrec: i would prefer a solution |
| 01:56.15 | tuv | mrec: any other ideas? |
| 01:56.17 | al | or |
| 01:56.24 | al | dpkg -x to extract the files |
| 01:56.27 | mrec | tuv: iptables + ssh? :) |
| 01:56.29 | al | maybe better |
| 01:56.34 | mkrufky | mrec: but my priority tonight is NXT200X .... i finally got it working on the Air2PC |
| 01:56.45 | mkrufky | mrec: so we can kill that old nxt2002 module!!! |
| 01:56.52 | mrec | hehe :) |
| 01:56.59 | mrec | I'll have a look on that Xceive stuff |
| 01:57.07 | mrec | actually still looking at it |
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| 01:57.12 | mrec | protocol logs |
| 01:57.14 | mkrufky | yes... nxt200x is just nxt2002 + nxt2004 common code and case statements for the differences |
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| 01:57.27 | mrec | :) |
| 01:57.34 | mkrufky | ok, im off topic... |
| 01:57.35 | mkrufky | heh |
| 01:57.37 | viper1 | ok |
| 01:57.41 | al | :) |
| 01:57.44 | mrec | back to v4l with it :) |
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| 01:57.48 | mkrufky | not even |
| 01:58.05 | al | dpkg -c shows contents of package |
| 01:58.05 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 1269 2005-9-02 13:06:31 ./usr/share/shows contents of package/pr0n/jenna_jamison.jpg |
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| 01:58.23 | al | lol |
| 01:58.25 | mrec | or dvb :) |
| 01:58.35 | mkrufky | dvb is a user channel |
| 01:58.40 | mkrufky | #linuxtv is for us |
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| 01:59.47 | al | k im out, goin to go play continuum. |
| 01:59.52 | al | good luck viper1 |
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| 02:02.39 | mkrufky | just as mkrufk1 leaves the room, again, his machine starts working |
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| 02:03.20 | mkrufky | i blame gtk... i think kde is my only chance for control |
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| 02:04.08 | nekostar | anyone try installing on a dell laptop? running into issues with partitioner on ab inspiron 1100 |
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| 02:05.29 | rue_shop | can anyone tell me if I have to custom compile pppd to get mschap support? |
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| 02:07.57 | floppyears | hi |
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| 02:08.07 | floppyears | I'm having troubles with my scanner, only root can see it :( |
| 02:08.11 | floppyears | any help ? |
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| 02:10.04 | sanxiyn | I think one needs to add users to scanner group or so. |
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| 02:11.52 | cr3 | is there some package for converting a word into big ascii-art characters? |
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| 02:12.13 | dondelelcaro | cr3: yes. |
| 02:12.16 | rue_shop | I got source for ppp, but there's no.... source...??? |
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| 02:13.08 | rue_shop | whats the big conspiricy eh? nobody talk about pppd? |
| 02:13.17 | floppyears | sanxiyn: I'm already part of the scanner group according to "id" |
| 02:13.24 | dondelelcaro | rue_shop: what are you actually trying to do? enable mppe or something? |
| 02:13.31 | rue_shop | yea |
| 02:13.42 | rue_shop | it doing that illegal? |
| 02:13.48 | dondelelcaro | rue_shop: it's a kernel module. Build it using m-a a-i or similar. |
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| 02:14.03 | dondelelcaro | rue_shop: no recompilation of ppp necessary. |
| 02:14.08 | rue_shop | but my kernel is 2.6.13.4 |
| 02:14.18 | dondelelcaro | rue_shop: so? 2.6.13.4 doesn't have it. |
| 02:14.26 | rue_shop | I dont think it does |
| 02:14.28 | dondelelcaro | rue_shop: it only was added in 2.6.15. |
| 02:14.41 | rue_shop | so how do you do it with ... should I ask? |
| 02:14.49 | rue_shop | I know someone who does it with 2.2 |
| 02:14.52 | rue_shop | this is crazy |
| 02:15.13 | floppyears | I can't figure out why regular users can't see the scanner :( |
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| 02:15.28 | dondelelcaro | rue_shop: sure, because they've applied the mppe patch. use make-kpkg to build your kernel whilst applying the patch from kernel-patch-mppe |
| 02:15.28 | shirocn | hello |
| 02:17.07 | rue_shop | dondelelcaro what do I download? |
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| 02:18.46 | kspath | ninjai the little ninja ownzed all uber alles |
| 02:19.01 | rue_shop | but... hmm is that gonna work if I'm not using a deian kernel? |
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| 02:20.00 | rue_shop | does mppe give me the mschap option? |
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| 02:21.05 | floppyears | could somebody help me with the permissions in my scanner ? |
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| 02:21.15 | rue_shop | tell me about the problem |
| 02:21.24 | rue_shop | you getting a permision denied? |
| 02:22.21 | floppyears | when I do "scanimage -L" I don't see the scanner at all, but when I do "sudo scanimage -L" I can see the scanner. |
| 02:22.50 | floppyears | the permissions on /dev/usb/scanner0 are crw-rw-rw- 1 root scanner and I'm part of the scanner group |
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| 02:24.40 | chealer | floppyears: which release do you use? |
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| 02:26.59 | floppyears | chealer: I'm using unstable |
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| 02:35.04 | Wyzard | Is there a way to check whether the kernel is utilizing the NX feature of a processor? |
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| 02:35.38 | mkrufk1 | chealer: now, i can reliably reproduce the problem |
| 02:35.46 | nima | how do i start firefox in safe mode? |
| 02:35.49 | delire_away | mkrufk1: what was up? |
| 02:36.02 | mkrufk1 | Gaim has nothing to do withit |
| 02:36.05 | secher | Ok, when trying to upgrade I had a few issues, and I've narrowed it down to this one: "preparing to replavce x-dev-blah-3 with x-dev-blah-4" " dpkg (subprocess) unable to exec old pre-removal script: Exec format error" "returned exit status 2" "trying script from the new package instead" "there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up"" Exec format error" I"ve looked on debian.org/bugs and searched in google, nothing. |
| 02:36.05 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.13 | delire | mkrufk1: ... |
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| 02:36.23 | znuk | how to control the dates of the news to download in evolution? |
| 02:36.24 | mkrufk1 | i found the problem does not occur UNLESS i click on the white of a window.... |
| 02:36.26 | mkrufk1 | for instance |
| 02:36.28 | nima | i just upgraded all of my plugins and firefox is crashing on start |
| 02:36.29 | gravity | secher: What's the package? |
| 02:36.35 | gravity | secher: That's a packaging error |
| 02:36.35 | secher | x-dev |
| 02:36.37 | delire | mkrufk1: eww |
| 02:36.41 | mkrufk1 | if i only click on titlebars and menus, everything is fine |
| 02:36.42 | gravity | er? |
| 02:36.49 | mkrufk1 | if i tab around, everything is fine |
| 02:36.59 | gravity | secher: What are the exact versions? |
| 02:37.01 | delire | mkrufk1: perhaps your X installation is broken? |
| 02:37.15 | mkrufk1 | the moment i click on the white of the inside opf a window, it doesnt release focus until i alt+f4 it |
| 02:37.23 | delire | mkrufk1: have you considered a --reinstall? |
| 02:37.25 | mkrufk1 | delire: on two boxes ? |
| 02:37.37 | mkrufk1 | delire: two boxes that i have not recently upgraded? |
| 02:37.38 | secher | gravity: x-dev_6.9.0.dfsh.1-3_all.deb to 4_all.deb |
| 02:37.41 | delire | mkrufk1: did you upgrade the boxes at the same time? |
| 02:37.42 | mkrufk1 | on the same day? |
| 02:37.46 | delire | mkrufk1: hmm |
| 02:37.47 | mkrufk1 | months ago |
| 02:37.47 | secher | s/dfsh/dfsg/ |
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| 02:37.57 | gravity | hrm... |
| 02:38.05 | mkrufk1 | delire: i did a dist-upgrade yesterday to try to solve |
| 02:38.14 | gravity | I didn't take out any special x-dev scripts |
| 02:38.15 | mkrufk1 | but that was after problem already existed |
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| 02:38.35 | mkrufk1 | but now i know how to avoid the problem (in a crippling way) |
| 02:38.40 | gravity | That's really weird |
| 02:38.44 | secher | gravity: it was a standard upgrade, I did nothign special afaik. |
| 02:38.47 | delire | mkrufk1: well this is the stage where i would need to look at logs and diagnose locally. it's just too bizarre. do they run the same graphics card? upgraded drivers recently? any network services of X Forwarding between these machiens? |
| 02:38.58 | mkrufk1 | ssh |
| 02:39.06 | mkrufk1 | that is the only new recent change |
| 02:39.09 | mkrufk1 | ssh |
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| 02:39.15 | mkrufk1 | on both |
| 02:39.15 | delire | mkrufk1: i would isolate the boxes from each other. |
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| 02:39.17 | secher | gravity: can I force a reinstalll of 3 and see if that fixes it? |
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| 02:39.35 | mkrufk1 | delire: are you suggesting a virus? in linux?!? |
| 02:39.35 | gravity | secher: I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what could have gone wrong. There are no x-dev scripts of note... |
| 02:39.43 | delire | mkrufk1: i would ensure sshd isn't starting at boot (see /etc/init.d) |
| 02:39.45 | delire | mkrufk1: no |
| 02:40.13 | mkrufk1 | damn... i didnt click on the white of this window, but pbm happened anyway |
| 02:40.14 | delire | mkrufk1: i would also try and start X into a non-gnome environment |
| 02:40.29 | gravity | secher: Could you put the exact error up in a paster? |
| 02:40.51 | mkrufk1 | delire: why would i prevent sshd?? i WANT it |
| 02:40.55 | secher | gravity: sure, #flood? I'll have to log in as another user, it's on another system. |
| 02:40.59 | mkrufk1 | i NEED sshd |
| 02:41.21 | delire | mkrufk1: install openbox (for instance), disable gdm, make a ~.xinitrc add 'exec openbox' and try X again. |
| 02:41.27 | delire | mkrufk1: of course, this is just to test. |
| 02:41.29 | gravity | secher: That's fine |
| 02:41.32 | mkrufk1 | oh , duh... |
| 02:41.34 | mkrufk1 | :-) |
| 02:41.37 | delire | ;) |
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| 02:41.57 | mkrufk1 | brb |
| 02:42.02 | delire | ok. |
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| 02:42.20 | delire | userofdebian: what distro do you use? |
| 02:42.56 | userofdebian | is that a trick question? |
| 02:42.56 | NOthsouth | where can I download the debian etch ? |
| 02:43.03 | delire | userofdebian: yes |
| 02:43.13 | NOthsouth | is debian etch equal to debian testing ?? |
| 02:43.22 | gravity | NOthsouth: Yes |
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| 02:44.10 | dogmeat | bob2 still around? |
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| 02:48.45 | mkrufk1 | delire_away: openbox - same problems |
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| 02:50.19 | NOthsouth | gravity, where can I download a etch netinstall ?? |
| 02:50.28 | gravity | !di NOthsouth |
| 02:50.35 | gravity | !d-i |
| 02:50.35 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:50.41 | hatake_kakashi | 66333/away |
| 02:50.43 | gravity | NOthsouth: ^ |
| 02:50.44 | hatake_kakashi | bah |
| 02:50.48 | win32killer | i can't message apt because this nick isn't registered, so what're the x11 meta package names? |
| 02:50.50 | hatake_kakashi | ignore what I said :) |
| 02:51.02 | gravity | win32killer: x-window-system |
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| 02:51.10 | NOthsouth | gravity, thxx :D |
| 02:51.16 | win32killer | this system has been dist-upgrade'd for years.... and i don't know if that will even work |
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| 02:51.28 | win32killer | i have sooo much libglade and gtk and dri-trunk crap |
| 02:51.47 | win32killer | apt-get remove isn't being too helpful :) |
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| 02:51.56 | win32killer | hehe |
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| 02:53.53 | neuterspay | What's the best way to solve this problem, from experience if you've used anything for it, recommend something: Need a visual studio .net IDE for my programming class. Something like it would be ++ not sure if Visual Studio .net Linux port is available for DL yet? |
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| 02:54.02 | win32killer | not that there's anything wrong with those software packages; i much respect the authors of that software. |
| 02:54.59 | vulture | neuterspay: not sure what you're actually asking.. |
| 02:55.13 | win32killer | he wants to try mono |
| 02:55.45 | win32killer | can't say i've ever looked into it myself |
| 02:56.23 | neuterspay | Mono's what I want to go with? Okay, thanks. |
| 02:56.36 | neuterspay | vulture: Looking for an IDE like Visual Studio .Net |
| 02:57.24 | Wyzard | neuterspay: There is no Linux port of Microsoft Visual Studio .NET -- no sense asking whether it's available for download "yet" |
| 02:57.32 | neuterspay | Not really for what looks like it, but something that acts like it quite nicely - thought somebody who's been using something like that would have a program preference and could impart some knowledge of a well-working one as to save me the jumping around... research I've done though. |
| 02:57.45 | win32killer | neuterspay: when you say "like .NET," do you mean similar in feature functionality, or actually compatible with .NET framework code? |
| 02:57.54 | neuterspay | Alright, thansk wyzard: it's all over google. Microsoft making visual studio.net IDE for Linux now. |
| 02:58.08 | neuterspay | Feature - to follow the class with. |
| 02:58.09 | Wyzard | neuterspay: Mono includes a program called "Monodevelop", which is based on SharpDevelop, which is a free IDE meant to look and feel similar to VS.NET |
| 02:58.13 | chealer | mkrufk1: interesting |
| 02:58.33 | neuterspay | Wyzard: Badass I'll go back to the site and get it, thanks. |
| 02:58.43 | neuterspay | Thanks all. |
| 02:58.53 | Wyzard | neuterspay: Do you mean this? http://dev.mainsoft.com/Default.aspx?tabid=45 |
| 02:58.56 | zzer | how i make ogle play dvds with css or any dvd to any user on kde? |
| 02:59.18 | neuterspay | I don't really ask problem questions in here too often, I do sometimes, but in the meantime I ask suggestion, as to what's defacto, has best support for a certain thing, although aware of the choices from searching. |
| 02:59.57 | Wyzard | ah... http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=33023 |
| 03:00.00 | Wyzard | That's just weird |
| 03:00.18 | Wyzard | Oh, wait, that's an April Fools' joke |
| 03:00.19 | neuterspay | Wyzard: Thanks for the link. |
| 03:00.26 | Wyzard | Look at the date |
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| 03:00.37 | mkrufk1 | chealer: yes, i dunno what to do next |
| 03:01.09 | Wyzard | neuterspay: The first link I mentioned is not about running VS.NET on Linux |
| 03:01.10 | chealer | mkrufk1: I'd still try to verify if it's specific to GTK |
| 03:01.19 | mkrufk1 | i am using openbox right noew |
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| 03:01.20 | Wyzard | neuterspay: The second is, but it's a hoax |
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| 03:01.21 | mkrufk1 | same problem |
| 03:01.44 | mkrufk1 | does that confirm, not specific to gtk? |
| 03:01.57 | chealer | mkrufk1: I don't think, you'd have to try Qt apps |
| 03:02.02 | mkrufk1 | ah |
| 03:02.07 | neuterspay | Wyzard: Grasshopper Devzone is a hoax? |
| 03:02.35 | Wyzard | neuterspay: No, the second link (http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=33023) is a hoax |
| 03:02.38 | mkrufk1 | chealer: ok, required kde install.... i will do it, chances are it wont happen quick enough for me to follow up with u tonight |
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| 03:02.54 | mkrufk1 | s/required/requires |
| 03:02.59 | chealer | mkrufk1: no problem |
| 03:03.05 | neuterspay | Oh alright, thanks. |
| 03:03.33 | mkrufk1 | chealer: err... yes, but id prefer to find u and / or delire again, so i dont have to repeat the whole story |
| 03:03.38 | Wyzard | neuterspay: but Grasshopper is not about running VS.Net on Linux -- it's about writing programs in VS.Net on Windows, and running them on Linux |
| 03:03.41 | mkrufk1 | chealer: how long will u be around? |
| 03:03.46 | win32killer | ah, xlibs and x11-common seemed to do the trick for erradicating everything X :) |
| 03:04.03 | Wyzard | neuterspay: (And it does it by converting the .NET bytecode to Java bytecode, not by just running the .NET bytecode directly in Mono) |
| 03:04.13 | chealer | mkrufk1: I'm a regular here. but I'm sure other people can help you |
| 03:04.24 | mkrufk1 | k |
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| 03:05.37 | fourwire | Hello fellow debianites |
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| 03:06.04 | Wyzard | Does anyone know of a way to check whether a running kernel is using the NX (aka XD, DEP, etc.) feature of a processor? |
| 03:06.10 | fourwire | I need help with openvpn |
| 03:06.12 | neuterspay | So... if I want a good, trusted, wellknown - support exists (Visual Studio .Net IDE)-type program for linux, it would be? Any suggestions? Or should I just try shit... I thought that if anybody used one and liked it, then I'd enjoy it as well. |
| 03:06.19 | win32killer | Wyzard: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 03:06.30 | fourwire | how do I check if my tun/tap is activated in the kernel? |
| 03:06.35 | neuterspay | Or would save me trouble by using a good one to start with - sorry tlaking to somebody. |
| 03:06.38 | Wyzard | neuterspay: Either MonoDevelop, or Eclipse with one of the C# plugins available |
| 03:06.55 | Wyzard | win32killer: That tells me whether the processor supports NX, (which it does), not whether the kernel is actually utilizing it |
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| 03:08.01 | Wyzard | neuterspay: MonoDevelop isn't bad, but it's not quite as nice as VS.NET |
| 03:08.16 | Wyzard | neuterspay: Eclipse is excellent (better than VS.NET IMO) for Java, but I haven't used it for .NET programming |
| 03:08.41 | neuterspay | I need it for Visual Basic. |
| 03:08.43 | neuterspay | Like, easy shit. |
| 03:08.44 | chealer | fourwire: for tun, $ grep CONFIG_TUN= /boot/config-2.*; |
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| 03:09.03 | paxl | is there a way to make x dont start a boot loader ? |
| 03:09.05 | neuterspay | In a 3200 Java class but just taking CSCI 1230 BASIC for the hell of it. |
| 03:09.09 | paxl | s/a/at |
| 03:09.15 | Wyzard | neuterspay: MonoDevelop supports that... I don't know about the Eclipse plugin |
| 03:09.25 | neuterspay | Alright thanks, I'm on monodevelop' |
| 03:09.28 | neuterspay | s page right now. |
| 03:09.28 | chealer | paxl: you must be thinking about a display manager? |
| 03:09.42 | Wyzard | neuterspay: You *could* just use an ordinary text editor to write your code, if necessary |
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| 03:10.08 | win32killer | Wyzard: are you sure? I thought disabling some of those features in the kernel makes them disappear from cpuinfo. i could be mistaken. |
| 03:10.11 | paxl | chealer: I'm having a bug in my configuration.. and it crash when Xorg start.. I only want him to don't start gdm |
| 03:10.12 | zethreth | I have gcc-3.4 installed to my $PATH but when trying to configure a programs sources it's not used. |
| 03:10.15 | fourwire | config_tun=m |
| 03:10.30 | chealer | fourwire: so it's modular |
| 03:10.51 | fourwire | so I just need to mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
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| 03:11.14 | neuterspay | Yeah, but I'd like an IDE to follow the class - and then have Visual Studio from that point forward for anything else I may want to do with it. |
| 03:11.23 | chealer | fourwire: I think it's something like that |
| 03:11.28 | neuterspay | Wyzard: You've been ever so helpful. |
| 03:11.33 | Wyzard | win32killer: nope... cpuinfo's flags line just shows what bits are set in the processor's CPUID info, or something along those lines |
| 03:11.56 | chealer | paxl: keep gdm from starting in runlevel 2...man update-rc.d |
| 03:11.56 | fourwire | cool... what about ethernet bridging? |
| 03:12.10 | chealer | fourwire: is that tap? |
| 03:12.16 | fourwire | yep |
| 03:12.20 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to control the hardware audio equalizer on my soundcard from linux? |
| 03:12.30 | fourwire | chealer : samething i guess? |
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| 03:13.12 | fourwire | chealer : http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2003-06/msg00033.html |
| 03:13.16 | Wyzard | win32killer: It's weird... I've checked that the NX code is present in my kernel source, by comparing the kernel source code to the original NX patch posted on LKML, and I've built a kernel with PAE and HIGHMEM64G enabled like the howto (linked from that LKML post) said to do, and I know the kernel is supposed to print a message saying that NX has been enabled, but it still doesn't do so |
| 03:13.31 | chealer | fourwire: I don't know about TAP |
| 03:13.54 | fourwire | chealer : tun/tap always is coupled... maybe tun does both? |
| 03:14.03 | Wyzard | fourwire: If you're talking about bridging to a tap device, it's supported |
| 03:14.11 | Wyzard | fourwire: tun/tap aren't coupled... they're completely different things |
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| 03:14.28 | fourwire | chealer : ok, it's me being a newbie |
| 03:14.42 | chealer | fourwire: I don't know, I only use tun for vpnc and never got bridge working |
| 03:15.35 | fourwire | chealer : can't bridge either... i see the packets coming in but the server is deaf |
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| 03:16.20 | Wyzard | fourwire: I've done bridging to an OpenVPN tap device in the past and it worked, but it required doing some stuff manually after the system booted to work around a problem (I don't remember the details) regarding the order in which the interfaces came up |
| 03:16.56 | fourwire | i wish there was a openvpn irc channel |
| 03:17.15 | Wyzard | fourwire: It might have been that OpenVPN didn't start (and create the tap device) until after the regular networking startup created the bridge device, so the tap wouldn't be part of the bridge unless I manually restarted it |
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| 03:18.01 | chealer | !kde3.4 |
| 03:18.01 | dpkg | KDE 3.4 is finally in etch. parts of kde were removed for the 3.4 transition so the metapacakge that installs everything can't be installed, but many of its individual components can be installed |
| 03:18.07 | Wyzard | fourwire: What I did in a more recent OpenVPN setup, though, is use tun with a different subnet address, and configure the router to route the two subnets (the LAN and the VPN) freely to each other |
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| 03:18.33 | nixo | how do i scrill down the message list in mail (command line)? |
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| 03:18.53 | chealer | dpkg: no, kde3.4 is <reply> Full KDE 3.4 has reached Etch. Nothing to be said anymore :) |
| 03:18.53 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 03:18.56 | fourwire | i'm trying to bridge MS share drives |
| 03:19.06 | eeyore- | kde 3.4? gentoo already has kde 3.5 :-> |
| 03:19.08 | fourwire | it think I need bridging |
| 03:19.52 | polinko | kde3.5 is in sid... |
| 03:19.56 | nixo | is it even possible to scroll down in mail? |
| 03:20.00 | mfrisch | fourwire: I want to do that for my brother-in-law |
| 03:20.14 | Wyzard | fourwire: You don't need bridging specifically... you need for broadcast packets to pass between the LAN and the VPN, and bridging them together is one way to accomplish that |
| 03:20.16 | fourwire | I haven't been lucky yet |
| 03:20.28 | fourwire | I understand that |
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| 03:20.48 | mfrisch | fourwire: you are trying openvpn. |
| 03:20.48 | Wyzard | fourwire: You can also do it with routing, without need for bridging |
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| 03:21.12 | Wyzard | fourwire: Or you could set up a WINS server and have that handle name resolution, and then you don't even need to route the broadcasts |
| 03:21.16 | fourwire | I thought routing only worked for IP stuff... |
| 03:21.36 | Wyzard | fourwire: Windows file sharing uses IP |
| 03:22.01 | fourwire | only IP? |
| 03:22.03 | Wyzard | fourwire: It used to, back in Windows 95 and 98 days, optionally use a different protocol called NetBEUI, but these days it's all done over TCP/IP |
| 03:22.03 | mfrisch | do you just forward say port 139? |
| 03:22.19 | fourwire | hm |
| 03:22.49 | nixo | I tried man mail and it didn't have anything about scrolling down or up... :0-) |
| 03:22.52 | fourwire | so netbios is IP ? |
| 03:22.58 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:23.01 | fourwire | ha! |
| 03:23.19 | fourwire | maybe I should try routing |
| 03:23.24 | fourwire | sounds simpler |
| 03:23.33 | Wyzard | That's what I'd do |
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| 03:23.55 | fourwire | I'll follow your advice |
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| 03:24.39 | eeyore- | fourwire: you want to bridge windows drives over the internet? latency will kill you |
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| 03:25.03 | bobby_ | just setup a squid server and have setup (via webmin) the firewall to do NAT over the external interface (eth2) and we have an accept all for the internal interface (tcp on eth0)...no one inside the network can ping out or do any non port 8080 connections to the web |
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| 03:25.10 | Wyzard | eeyore-: I've done an smbmount over a VPN across the Internet before... it's slow, but usable |
| 03:25.13 | bobby_ | is there like a block all rule some where I'm missing? |
| 03:25.20 | mfrisch | eeyore-: is it better than remote desktop?? |
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| 03:25.54 | eeyore- | mfrisch: well, considering remote desktop just sends bitmaps over, and all file i/o are local net ... i would say remote desktop is faster |
| 03:26.04 | eeyore- | mfrisch: except you don't get the files locally, if that's what you want |
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| 03:26.38 | fourwire | remote desktop better than vpn? |
| 03:26.43 | Rokyu_ | apt tell me about start x |
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| 03:27.04 | eeyore- | fourwire: different solutions. most people do remote desktop over vpn. |
| 03:27.31 | fourwire | I just want to be able to get and put files on the network... not really work from the network |
| 03:27.32 | Wyzard | Remote Desktop uses SSL for security, so you don't need an encrypted VPN to keep your connection safe |
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| 03:28.00 | eeyore- | Wyzard: for one machine, no. but for a network of machines .... |
| 03:28.01 | rend | how do i change my xserver driver? also, which server should i use for an nvidia card? |
| 03:28.08 | Wyzard | The use of a VPN in that case would just be to reach things behind a firewall without needing port-forwarding set up |
| 03:28.16 | eeyore- | Wyzard: right |
| 03:28.18 | mfrisch | eeyore-: my brother-in-law runs a soho and four family members want to share his server share. They have high-speed connections and being able to read/write using their local realstate prog. |
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| 03:29.16 | chealer | rend: if you mean which driver... |
| 03:29.20 | rend | X11 wont start.. how do i change the video card driver? |
| 03:29.24 | chealer | !tell rend about ngd |
| 03:29.29 | chealer | !drxx rend |
| 03:29.30 | dpkg | rend: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:29.58 | chealer | !tell Rokyu_ about selftell |
| 03:30.00 | rend | and how do i get a mouse cursor in terminal? |
| 03:30.01 | fourwire | for remote desktop, what would you sue? |
| 03:30.03 | fourwire | use |
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| 03:30.16 | fourwire | windows clients |
| 03:30.17 | eeyore- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.22 | chealer | !tell rend about gpm |
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| 03:30.50 | eeyore- | fourwire: depends. XP already has it built-in. older versions, you can build "terminal server client" floppy |
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| 03:30.57 | chealer | rend: hum, the gpm factoid is useless, but you want gpm anyway |
| 03:31.42 | Wyzard | fourwire: The Windows XP installation CD contains RD client installers for older versions of Windows, IIRC |
| 03:31.54 | fourwire | But then I need to install a server on each XP machine to host remote sessions? |
| 03:32.06 | Wyzard | XP already has the server built-in |
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| 03:32.35 | fourwire | secure? |
| 03:32.37 | rend | arg.. this usb mouse isnt working |
| 03:32.57 | Wyzard | As secure as the user's password |
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| 03:33.01 | eeyore- | fourwire: XP Pro already has it built-in |
| 03:33.13 | eeyore- | Wyzard: not XP Home |
| 03:33.18 | Wyzard | The problem you might encounter, though, is that XP Remote Desktop only allows one user to be connected at a time |
| 03:33.22 | Wyzard | eeyore-: ugh :-) |
| 03:33.28 | ILusciffer | Hi, i have install debian on my laptop (Toshiba A60-S166) and getting Cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 03:33.28 | ILusciffer | Kernel panic: Atemppted to kill init |
| 03:33.40 | ILusciffer | someone ? |
| 03:33.41 | eeyore- | Wyzard: i'll bet there are lots of XP Home's out there :-) |
| 03:33.57 | mfrisch | Wyzard: is there a difference in the bandwidth used in each?? |
| 03:34.04 | Wyzard | fourwire: If they all need access at the same time, you might be better off just using a mounted shared folder |
| 03:34.25 | Wyzard | mfrisch: no idea... it depends a lot on the data and what's being done with it |
| 03:34.44 | eeyore- | fourwire: by the way, the "one user" rule applies to local interactive use, as well |
| 03:34.51 | Wyzard | vs. how much visual complexity and animation the users' application uses |
| 03:34.59 | eeyore- | fourwire: e.g., you won't get away with using XP as a sort-of-multiuser-machine |
| 03:35.28 | Wyzard | The easiest thing to do would just be a shared folder |
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| 03:35.48 | eeyore- | i hate windows networking |
| 03:35.53 | Wyzard | You don't even need to route broadcasts, really... broadcast is only used for populating the "Network Neighborhood" lists |
| 03:35.55 | fourwire | but how do I make it reachable through the firewall? |
| 03:36.20 | fourwire | so no browsing but i can still map a drive? |
| 03:36.22 | Wyzard | If you already know the IP address of the machine you want to connect to, you can just type it in and connect to it directly |
| 03:36.25 | Wyzard | right |
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| 03:36.30 | eeyore- | fourwire: yes |
| 03:36.47 | Wyzard | Allow the two SMB ports through your router/firewall, and map the drive using the server's IP address |
| 03:36.50 | eeyore- | fourwire: you can always use the ... lmhosts file |
| 03:37.01 | Wyzard | Set it up to remount automatically at boot time, and you're done |
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| 03:37.22 | fourwire | Samba was the other other option |
| 03:37.42 | Wyzard | Well, it doesn't really matter if the server is running Windows, or Samba on Linux |
| 03:37.50 | eeyore- | but this is getting so faaar off the debian topic :-) |
| 03:37.54 | fourwire | it does |
| 03:37.57 | fourwire | :) |
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| 03:38.19 | Wyzard | The clients don't care what the server's running as long as it speaks the right protocol |
| 03:39.21 | fourwire | i'm tryiing to make things secure so that was my main driver behing openvpn |
| 03:39.43 | mfrisch | is openvpn ipsec? |
| 03:39.46 | eeyore- | openvpn is a good way to go |
| 03:39.47 | Wyzard | mfrisch: no |
| 03:39.56 | fourwire | ssl |
| 03:40.00 | Wyzard | mfrisch: It uses its own protocol that's based on SSL |
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| 03:40.41 | mfrisch | Wyzard: is it key based or certificate? |
| 03:40.57 | Wyzard | mfrisch: It can use either, though certificate mode is preferred |
| 03:41.53 | eeyore- | i like how Cisco VPN client's measure for "unmodifiable settings" is to put a single "!" as first character of each settings line |
| 03:41.54 | Wyzard | mfrisch: It can only use keys in the mode where a single daemon talks to a single remote endpoint... in "server" mode, where one daemon handles multiple clients, certificates are the only option |
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| 03:42.54 | mfrisch | Wyzard: cool |
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| 03:43.15 | rend | hmm. the nvidia driver wants my kernel source |
| 03:43.29 | mfrisch | rend: just headers |
| 03:43.37 | rend | i am on 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 03:43.50 | rend | mfrisch : how do i get past this problem? |
| 03:43.59 | Wyzard | mfrisch: (and it comes with a set of convenience scripts for setting up one's own miniature CA) |
| 03:44.12 | Wyzard | rend: You'd install the corresponding kernel-headers package |
| 03:44.17 | rend | right |
| 03:44.21 | Wyzard | rend: I'd suggest upgrading to a 2.6 kernel, btw |
| 03:44.34 | rend | i just installed a few mins ago |
| 03:44.38 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 03:44.44 | mfrisch | Wyzard: I'm sold, it doesn't need any special mods right? |
| 03:44.46 | rend | so one thing at a time please |
| 03:44.56 | Wyzard | rend: And you need nVidia this early in your setup? |
| 03:45.02 | Wyzard | rend: i'd just use the "nv" driver for now |
| 03:45.05 | sanxiyn | Is debianplanet.org down? |
| 03:45.09 | Wyzard | mfrisch: Nothing besides tun/tap |
| 03:45.17 | Wyzard | mfrisch: works on Windows and *BSD too |
| 03:45.17 | sanxiyn | Or is it only me? |
| 03:45.21 | rend | Wyzard: i am trying to get my 2 x 20" widescreens working |
| 03:45.33 | eeyore- | nice ... |
| 03:45.43 | Wyzard | rend: Take care of basics like installing a modern kernel first |
| 03:46.04 | rend | why should i upgrade this kernel? |
| 03:46.18 | Wyzard | rend: But either way, install the appropriate kernel-headers package you can build your nVidia driver |
| 03:46.21 | eeyore- | rend: newer == better |
| 03:46.22 | Wyzard | rend: because 2.4 is old |
| 03:46.38 | rend | eeyore- : is windows vista better? |
| 03:46.45 | sanxiyn | rend: You don't need to, but sooner or later you will need to. |
| 03:46.47 | eeyore- | rend: you asked |
| 03:46.59 | rend | will NV support multiple monitors? |
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| 03:47.03 | Wyzard | rend: yes |
| 03:47.17 | Wyzard | oh... you meant the "nv" driver |
| 03:47.19 | Wyzard | In that case, no |
| 03:47.28 | eeyore- | must be German |
| 03:47.38 | Wyzard | I'm not saying to use it in any sort of long-term sense |
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| 03:47.53 | Wyzard | but if you just want graphics working while you finish your basic system configuration, use that for now |
| 03:48.05 | sanxiyn | nv works for simple needs. |
| 03:48.31 | rend | plus i dont see an option for 1680x1050 |
| 03:48.42 | mfrisch | module-assistant makes nvidia driver build trivial |
| 03:48.45 | sanxiyn | nvidia basically killed free software nv reverse engineering effort by releasing propreitary code. |
| 03:48.48 | rend | well how should i get the needed headers for my kernel for the nvidia driver? |
| 03:49.12 | madradrone | rend: /msg dpkg nvidia and see the one-liner |
| 03:49.28 | Wyzard | rend: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:49.44 | madradrone | Wyzard: yeah it blows having this nvidia... |
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| 03:50.25 | Wyzard | madradrone: though, I haven't actually tried swsusp2 on this laptop because kernel-patch-suspend2 doesn't support 2.6.15 |
| 03:50.32 | rend | damn this is a pita |
| 03:50.34 | keyhack | Does the standard install CD not support hardware RAID 5 by default? |
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| 03:50.59 | madradrone | Wyzard: i build my own kernels and patch. he did release a 2.6.15 patch recently. |
| 03:51.13 | eeyore- | keyhack: 2.6 will support more scsi devices |
| 03:51.16 | Wyzard | keyhack: Depends on whether it has a driver specifically for your RAID controller |
| 03:51.30 | eeyore- | keyhack: you don't mean IDE "hardware" RAID, do you? |
| 03:51.31 | keyhack | It just shows up as four separate drives in the installer |
| 03:51.32 | rend | so my usb mouse works with x.. but not gpm |
| 03:51.45 | Wyzard | keyhack: Sarge uses 2.4 by default for conservative reasons, but you probably want to boot the installer with a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:51.54 | Wyzard | keyhack: Type "linux26" at the CD's boot prompt |
| 03:52.25 | eeyore- | Wyzard: having disks show up as individual drives sound like an IDE thing to me |
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| 03:52.56 | Wyzard | eeyore-: Yes, probably... but I have no idea whether the sarge installer supports dmraid |
| 03:53.17 | sanxiyn | keyhack: Sarge installer does support software RAID. |
| 03:53.20 | sanxiyn | 0/1/5. |
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| 03:53.35 | keyhack | well, the RAID controller is on the motherboard |
| 03:53.53 | keyhack | is that considered a software RAID? |
| 03:54.03 | mfrisch | no |
| 03:54.05 | CaT[tm] | fake raid :) |
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| 03:54.24 | eeyore- | keyhack: it's very likely a controller only, that can do "raid" with help of software |
| 03:54.25 | Wyzard | I'd just go with Linux software RAID... unless you have a *true* RAID controller (i.e. the really expensive kind), there's not going to be much of a performance difference, and if your motherboard dies and you have to get a new one, you won't have to worry about whether the new one's "RAID" controller uses the same on-disk format as the old one |
| 03:54.27 | CaT[tm] | if it's a sata raid controller that only 'does' raid 1 at most. |
| 03:54.51 | Wyzard | keyhack: Things like the Promise FastTrak and the Highpoint whatever-it's-called are not true hardware RAID controllers |
| 03:54.55 | keyhack | well during bootup I can select RAID0/1/5 |
| 03:55.03 | keyhack | at the BIOS |
| 03:55.06 | rend | whats the kernel module for a usb mouse? |
| 03:55.15 | Wyzard | keyhack: They basically do software RAID implemented in the driver, with a small amount of hardware assistance |
| 03:55.35 | SimonRaven | they're crappy s/w raid, with shittier drivers than linux' s/w raid |
| 03:55.36 | sanxiyn | keyhack: I won't bother. |
| 03:55.39 | keyhack | Wyzard: So... it should show up as four devices during the installer then? |
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| 03:55.58 | eeyore- | keyhack: pretty much |
| 03:56.00 | madradrone | 3ware |
| 03:56.03 | keyhack | The RAID isn't configured at the BIOS, its a util after the BIOS |
| 03:56.32 | keyhack | "MSI K8N NEO4 PLATINUM NF4ULTRA" |
| 03:56.35 | Wyzard | keyhack: If you don't have the dmraid driver which supports the fakeraid stuff, Linux will be oblivious to the settings chosen in the controller's BIOS |
| 03:56.49 | eeyore- | keyhack: you don't have to convince anyone :-) |
| 03:57.03 | Wyzard | keyhack: And since the controller is relying on a driver to do the actual RAID, the result is that no RAID gets done :-) |
| 03:57.04 | keyhack | well, I'm just trying to figure out how to get RAID5 working |
| 03:57.11 | eeyore- | keyhack: quite a few people here know software raid when they see one |
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| 03:57.40 | Wyzard | keyhack: Unless you have a need to access the contents of these drives from Windows -- which is unlikely if you're putting Linux on it -- you should just use Linux software RAID |
| 03:58.02 | rend | ok.. whats a quick and dirty way to upgrade my kernel? |
| 03:58.18 | SimonRaven | linux s/w raid is pretty sweet actually. decent performance |
| 03:58.18 | Wyzard | keyhack: It's more reliable than the RAID implemented in your controller's driver |
| 03:58.23 | Wyzard | rend: What type of processor do you have? |
| 03:58.30 | sanxiyn | keyhack: Just use Linux software RAID, which is possibly even faster than fakeraid. |
| 03:58.34 | talisein | !tell rand about sudo |
| 03:58.35 | madradrone | anyone recommend a solution for portable external raid storage? |
| 03:59.05 | rend | athlon xp 2400+ |
| 03:59.15 | Wyzard | rend: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 03:59.35 | Wyzard | rend: (The reason I asked about your processor was to know whether I should tell you "k7" or "p4") |
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| 04:00.24 | SimonRaven | wtf, no updates on sid |
| 04:00.27 | rend | im just glad you didnt say compile my own |
| 04:00.54 | Wyzard | rend: That's an option but it's generally not necessary |
| 04:01.17 | Wyzard | rend: You'll want kernel-headers-2.6-k7 too, for your nVidia driver |
| 04:01.20 | SimonRaven | wow, that's so rare... |
| 04:01.25 | rend | yeah if anyone said it.. i was prepared to say 'i dont mant gentoo' |
| 04:01.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:01.42 | rend | ok. the image is almost done |
| 04:01.44 | SimonRaven | funny though, i saw a bunch of stuff in incoming.d.o |
| 04:02.11 | rend | i should get a different mirror.. stmarytx is kinda slow |
| 04:02.36 | eeyore- | madradrone: www.cooldrives.com |
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| 04:03.07 | Wyzard | weird... my cellphone apparently just spontaneously rebooted itself |
| 04:03.23 | rend | haha |
| 04:03.32 | rend | you get one of the widows phones? |
| 04:03.35 | madradrone | thanks eeyore- |
| 04:03.54 | keyhack | "The ext3 file system creation partition #1 of RAID5 device #0 failed" |
| 04:03.58 | sanxiyn | SimonRaven: Rarity indeed... |
| 04:03.58 | keyhack | with a big ol red screen of death |
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| 04:04.24 | rend | imagine if you had one of the prius reboots at 60mph.. luckily you cant go much faster than 60mph in a prius |
| 04:04.49 | Wyzard | No Windows on this phone, no |
| 04:05.26 | keyhack | ext3 is allowed over RAID5 right? |
| 04:05.33 | Wyzard | yes |
| 04:05.39 | Wyzard | The filesystem doesn't care what kind of device it's on |
| 04:05.44 | SimonRaven | i have 2 in front of me. one i'm typing in, and one behind it. why do people capitalise 'windows' anyway? |
| 04:05.46 | chealer | be broad...haha: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deb_%28file_format%29&diff=32837312&oldid=29784270 |
| 04:05.48 | keyhack | that what I thought, but it won't partition it |
| 04:06.02 | Wyzard | Does it say anything about why? |
| 04:06.48 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 04:06.48 | eeyore- | keyhack: any filesystem is allowed over linux software raid |
| 04:06.48 | keyhack | It just went to the read screen of death, and then forgot my partition info |
| 04:06.55 | Wyzard | Check the other VTs... I forget which one is which, but they show additional info from various sources |
| 04:06.56 | rend | Wyzard : will i did the install of the kernel and headers. just reboot now? |
| 04:07.00 | SimonRaven | keyhack: oh, the installer's RSOD |
| 04:07.04 | Wyzard | (kernel messages, syslog, etc.) |
| 04:07.11 | Wyzard | rend: right |
| 04:07.22 | rend | no config changes needed? |
| 04:07.45 | deadcat | SimonRaven: slim 1.2.4 is out. you gonna package it? |
| 04:07.48 | Wyzard | rend: The only config change needed is to the bootloader, and that's done automatically by the kernel package when it's installed |
| 04:07.54 | rend | ok |
| 04:07.54 | sanxiyn | chealer: What is it? |
| 04:08.12 | sanxiyn | chealer: It's "canonical", not "Canonical" stupid. |
| 04:08.23 | SimonRaven | deadcat: no, it's a pos |
| 04:08.30 | deadcat | k |
| 04:08.35 | chealer | sanxiyn: that's what I wrote in the "changelog" :) |
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| 04:08.45 | keyhack | Is there any way I can see more information when I get the RSOD? |
| 04:08.47 | SimonRaven | needs work ;), like pam support |
| 04:08.51 | sanxiyn | chealer: aha |
| 04:08.55 | Wyzard | keyhack: Alt-F2, Alt-F3, etc. |
| 04:09.11 | Wyzard | keyhack: See if any of those yield any interesting messages |
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| 04:09.38 | keyhack | "The device apparently does not exist: did you specify it correctly?" |
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| 04:09.41 | SimonRaven | f3 f4. f3 has stuff like klogd, and f4 has sysklogd running |
| 04:10.09 | keyhack | Let me disable the "fakeraid" from the boot program |
| 04:10.14 | keyhack | maybe that is throwing it off? |
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| 04:10.50 | Wyzard | Seems unlikely, but it's worth a try |
| 04:10.54 | SimonRaven | deadcat: it's not that bad, to be honest, but it needs more patching than i have the skills for. you could file an RFP on it, and see if anyone picks it up (if it isn't in debian that is) |
| 04:11.01 | fourwire | I'll be damned! |
| 04:11.07 | rend | Wyzard: on 2.6.8 |
| 04:11.08 | keyhack | Give me a min, brb |
| 04:11.11 | fourwire | it seems to be working |
| 04:11.12 | Wyzard | rend: cool |
| 04:11.22 | Wyzard | rend: If this is a desktop system, I'd also suggest installing udev |
| 04:11.36 | Wyzard | rend: But don't worry about that for now |
| 04:11.36 | nima | whats the key-comb for backgrounding a process? |
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| 04:11.46 | SimonRaven | yeh. i don't recommend udev on a server, frankly |
| 04:11.49 | rend | yeah. this will be my new primary desktop for development of ruby on rails apps |
| 04:11.50 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i have the one you built for ppc and the one i built for x86 and works. and the new features dont do me anything so i aint gonna file nothing (= |
| 04:11.55 | SimonRaven | nima: ^z |
| 04:11.55 | Wyzard | nima: Ctrl-Z, and then run "bg" at the resulting prompt |
| 04:11.59 | nima | thanks |
| 04:12.02 | rend | Wyzard : whats udev? |
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| 04:12.26 | SimonRaven | & after the command backgrounds it for ya (without having to ^z and bg) |
| 04:12.30 | rend | cool my mouse is working in terminal now too |
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| 04:12.49 | Wyzard | rend: It's a daemon which manages the contents of /dev as devices are added and removed... notably, it also provides support for things like GNOME/KDE's automatic mounting of USB keychain drives when you plug them in |
| 04:13.21 | Wyzard | rend: btw, you might be interested in the "module-assistant" package, as it's probably the simplest and most straightforward way to compile your nVidia kernel module |
| 04:13.21 | sanxiyn | shell job control shuns |
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| 04:13.36 | CaT[tm] | can anyone see a problem with changing the home dir for a debian created user? |
| 04:13.55 | SimonRaven | deadcat: if you want, you can just drop in the diff.gz into the new tarball and install the build deps, and build it |
| 04:14.07 | eeyore- | CaT[tm]: yes, if he has gnome/kde already logged in at least once, all configs will have paths hardcoded |
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| 04:14.26 | eeyore- | CaT[tm]: same thing for firefox |
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| 04:14.29 | deadcat | SimonRaven: nah. too lazy to build. 1.2.3 is working fine for now. |
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| 04:15.10 | Jowy | were you guys just talking about how to install the nVidia nforce module? |
| 04:15.21 | keyhack | Well now, I can only set up one partition on the RAID5 MD, if I try to create a second one, I get "unusable" |
| 04:15.25 | madradrone | Jowy: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:15.33 | Jowy | oh thanks |
| 04:15.42 | rend | Wyzard, installed.. now what next for nvidia? |
| 04:15.47 | CaT[tm] | rather the ones own user. |
| 04:15.53 | keyhack | Wyzard, any idea? |
| 04:16.03 | Wyzard | !tell rend about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:16.24 | rend | should i stop x? |
| 04:16.57 | Wyzard | No, you don't need to |
| 04:16.59 | deadcat | SimonRaven: what wm you use again? |
| 04:17.00 | rend | ok |
| 04:17.07 | deadcat | where the hell is bob2? |
| 04:17.43 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i am trying to get this to work on debian: http://david.chalkskeletons.com/openbox.html the gtk stuff. |
| 04:17.50 | keyhack | Wyzard, so this only supports one partition? |
| 04:18.22 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'm pretty sure MD devices can be partitioned, though I've never done so myself... I use LVM on RAID, which is more flexible than partitioning |
| 04:18.32 | Jowy | Good evening every one |
| 04:18.52 | keyhack | Wyzard, I had wanted to keep the OS away from my data, incase I had to reinstall the OS (without affecting the 1TB of data) |
| 04:18.53 | rend | Wyzard that says install of nvidia-kernel-source failed |
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| 04:19.10 | rend | it says i may need to add something to sources.list |
| 04:19.25 | Wyzard | rend: You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list |
| 04:19.29 | chealer | rend: you'll want to see a NVIDIA guide if you never did the procedure |
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| 04:19.34 | chealer | !tell rend about ngd |
| 04:19.44 | Wyzard | keyhack: Makes sense to me |
| 04:20.11 | eeyore- | keyhack: most people will dedicate another drive for the OS |
| 04:20.43 | eeyore- | keyhack: although if you have hardware scsi-based (or sata-based like 3ware) you *could* put all OS/files on the partitioned spaces |
| 04:20.48 | keyhack | Wyzard, so what partition do I set for the four HD's? LVM? Before I had to set each drive to RAID and then configure a RAID5 MD, so do I go back and change the four to LVM now? |
| 04:21.00 | keyhack | eeyore-, I don't have space to mount another drive in there |
| 04:21.17 | Wyzard | eeyore-: What I'm suggesting is LVM on top of RAID |
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| 04:21.37 | keyhack | Wyzard, it wouldn't let me do that I don't think |
| 04:21.50 | eeyore- | keyhack: then your only solution is to partition each drive separately and similarly and spread /boot and / on the plain, non-raid partitions |
| 04:21.54 | Wyzard | keyhack: You need a /boot partition which is a separate plain partition, though -- which ties into the suggestion of putting the OS on a separate drive |
| 04:22.02 | eeyore- | keyhack: grub can boot from raid0 and raid1 but not raid5 |
| 04:22.37 | nevyn | raid + lvm ==thebomb |
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| 04:22.56 | pearl | lilo can boot from raid0, raid1 and raid5? |
| 04:23.00 | keyhack | huh? |
| 04:23.03 | keyhack | so I'm screwed then? |
| 04:23.04 | eeyore- | keyhack: probably better not to spread / across the drives though, just in case they do go bad and you have to replace the individual disks |
| 04:23.15 | odla | evening folks |
| 04:23.17 | Wyzard | keyhack: You need a separate drive to boot from, separate from the RAID array |
| 04:23.23 | eeyore- | keyhack: but even then if you had to replace disk0 (or any disk that /boot is on) then you're screwed anyhow |
| 04:23.27 | keyhack | Wyzard, wish I knew that before |
| 04:23.32 | eeyore- | keyhack: so you *really* don't have a good way out |
| 04:23.41 | rend | man this default debian install is screaming fast |
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| 04:24.18 | keyhack | so I guess theres no way around this huh |
| 04:24.19 | Wyzard | keyhack: Well, you could make a small partition at the beginning of one of your RAID drives, and use that, but that takes away from the space you can use on the other drives too, since all the components in a RAID5 have to be the same size |
| 04:24.38 | Wyzard | keyhack: but 50MB, say, taken off each drive... shouldn't be much of a big deal |
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| 04:24.45 | eeyore- | keyhack: no satisfactory way around, except to dedicate separate drives for OS (or use hardware raid controllers) |
| 04:25.09 | eeyore- | Wyzard: that's not satisfactory as i mentioned above |
| 04:25.12 | keyhack | eeyore-, Wyzard seems to be saying otherwise |
| 04:25.23 | eeyore- | keyhack: you're not thinking for yourself |
| 04:25.33 | pearl | rend: debian is the bes distro :D |
| 04:25.38 | eeyore- | keyhack: why do you run raid5? |
| 04:25.38 | pearl | best even |
| 04:25.48 | keyhack | eeyore-: For data protection |
| 04:25.55 | eeyore- | keyhack: right, and that assumes what? |
| 04:26.07 | keyhack | eeyore-: If one drive fails, I can replace it and the data would be restored |
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| 04:26.23 | eeyore- | keyhack: right, so if one drive *should* fail, and you have OS stuff on non-raid partitions, what happens? |
| 04:26.37 | fourwire | eeyore, wyzard big thanks |
| 04:26.58 | keyhack | eeyore-: What if the drive that did fail had the OS on it? |
| 04:27.00 | rend | does this look right? deb http://natasha.stmarytx.edu/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 04:27.05 | eeyore- | keyhack: exactly |
| 04:27.09 | Wyzard | rend: Looks right to me |
| 04:27.19 | keyhack | eeyore-: So wouldnt' it make sense to have the OS on the RAID? |
| 04:27.22 | rend | ok.. still getting the same error on the on liner |
| 04:27.30 | eeyore- | keyhack: it would, except you can't, not with software raid |
| 04:28.10 | neuterspay | My apt-get install monodevelop has unmet dependencies, all of them broken files that I can't apt-get ... |
| 04:28.18 | neuterspay | Any easy solution? |
| 04:28.24 | keyhack | eeyore-: But, Wyzard said we could |
| 04:28.27 | rend | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://natasha.stmarytx.edu stable/non-free |
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| 04:28.28 | eeyore- | keyhack: actually i'm not completely correct ... you *can* have / on raid, but /boot must *not* be on raid, if you use software raid |
| 04:28.33 | Wyzard | eeyore-: How about using the first 50MB of each drive as a RAID-1, since GRUB can handle booting from that, and the remainder of the drives for the RAID-5 |
| 04:28.34 | Jowy | how do you change the owner of a disk so that a non root can make links on their desktops to folders within? |
| 04:29.07 | dondelelcaro | Jowy: users can always do that. |
| 04:29.11 | Jowy | well |
| 04:29.16 | eeyore- | Wyzard: you could compromise by making first 50mb of each drive (or just two) be /boot and raid-1, sure |
| 04:29.18 | Wyzard | eeyore-: The RAID-1 is your /boot and the RAID-5 contains LVM with everything else |
| 04:29.20 | dondelelcaro | (assuming they can write to their desktop) |
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| 04:29.39 | eeyore- | Wyzard: but then your sensitivity becomes the two drives that's part of raid1 :-) |
| 04:29.40 | Wyzard | eeyore-: That way you'd have redundancy for everything, and still be bootable |
| 04:29.50 | eeyore- | Wyzard: it's better than nothing, sure |
| 04:30.00 | rend | Wyzard: couldn't stat source package list |
| 04:30.08 | Wyzard | eeyore-: Well, I mean 50MB off all the drives, since the space would be wasted anyway (as the RAID-5 components have to be the same size) |
| 04:30.28 | Wyzard | keyhack: Out of curiosity, how many drives are in your array? |
| 04:30.31 | keyhack | 4 |
| 04:30.35 | keyhack | 4x300GB SATA |
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| 04:30.40 | Wyzard | ok |
| 04:30.43 | Jowy | dondelelcaro: every time i mount an ntfs partition it is owned by root, and the permissions are only owner executable, and i have to be root to ls it |
| 04:31.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jowy -about ntfsro |
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| 04:31.32 | Wyzard | keyhack: Try this, then... partition each of the four drives into a 50MB partition at the beginning, followed by a second partition occupying the rest of the space |
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| 04:31.55 | Jowy | dondelelcaro: am i supposed to msg a bot with that string? |
| 04:31.56 | sanxiyn | Jowy: Set appropriate uid, gid, fmask, dmask mount options. |
| 04:32.09 | keyhack | Wyzard: Let me check, but I thought you can only set the 300GB drives to be "RAID" under the installer |
| 04:32.18 | dondelelcaro | Jowy: no, do what the bot told you to do. |
| 04:32.22 | eeyore- | keyhack: no, you can use partitions |
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| 04:32.54 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'm pretty sure you can choose partitions as the component devices for a RAID |
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| 04:33.01 | Jowy | sanxiyn: you mean, set them on the /dev/x or the /mnt/x, and during the mount command or after I've mounted it? |
| 04:33.10 | eeyore- | Wyzard: you can. any block device will do. |
| 04:33.14 | user01 | is there a live linux cd that will run windows inside it? im trying to figure out how to get linux on my windows workstation...the IT guy wont give me it |
| 04:33.15 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'm setting up a VMware virtual machine to boot the installer on so I can follow along |
| 04:33.25 | keyhack | Wyzard, eeyore-, I'm rebooting, but the installer is slightly confusing because the 4 devices show up, and you need to set "partition" on it before you can make a RAID MD out of it |
| 04:33.31 | Jowy | dondelelcaro: which bot? |
| 04:33.37 | keyhack | but give me a min to see for myself again |
| 04:33.40 | keyhack | thanks for the patience |
| 04:34.01 | eeyore- | that's one of the beauties of linux. things just stack up when they can. |
| 04:34.15 | Wyzard | keyhack: Wait a few minutes and I'll be able to guide you more precisely |
| 04:34.29 | Ce^_^ | jsag |
| 04:34.29 | eeyore- | i can run, e.g., encrypted filesystem off of a loopback-mounted file |
| 04:34.56 | Jowy | dondelelcaro: oh oh i get it |
| 04:34.58 | Wyzard | eeyore-: dm-crypt is better for that, you know |
| 04:35.02 | rend | Wyzard: n/mind its going now! |
| 04:35.15 | user01 | ds linux runs inside of windows i think... |
| 04:35.26 | rend | hmm, I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies |
| 04:35.39 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'm doing LVM on top of dm-crypt on my laptop |
| 04:35.57 | rend | maybe it worked now.. what to do after that one liner? |
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| 04:36.20 | agilman | how do I add services ? |
| 04:36.21 | rend | dpkg-reconfigure x11???? |
| 04:36.30 | Jowy | dondelelcaro: thanks man i get it |
| 04:36.38 | Wyzard | rend: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:36.40 | agilman | I installed ffproxy, and Im not sure how to make it a service |
| 04:36.48 | ben_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:36.51 | Wyzard | rend: When it gives you a list of video drivers and asks you which one to use, pick "nvidia" |
| 04:37.01 | sanxiyn | agilman: /etc/init.d/<package name> start? |
| 04:37.03 | ben_ | or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 04:37.16 | rend | Wyzard : i only see nv. not nvidia |
| 04:37.20 | user01 | has anyone tried to do that...have vmware run on a live cd on a computer that only has windows on it? |
| 04:37.30 | kjdyslex | How are the ATI proprietary drivers with Debian? |
| 04:37.53 | agilman | sanxiyn, I compiled ffproxy... its not located in /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:37.59 | Wyzard | rend: Then you don't have the "nvidia-glx" package installed |
| 04:38.06 | agilman | sanxiyn, do I make a symbolic link? |
| 04:38.10 | Jowy | user01: ive run the equivalent mac to windows emulater and booted up to the i 386 phlak |
| 04:38.27 | eeyore- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.30 | eeyore- | i hate unreliable wifi ... |
| 04:38.55 | eeyore- | anyway i don't think i can complain :-) it's not even mine, for now |
| 04:38.57 | Wyzard | eeyore-: ah, ok... sorry, I thought you were talking about cryptoloop |
| 04:39.19 | nekostar | if i install debian on a hdd in one laptop and swap it to another lappy will it still work? |
| 04:39.33 | rend | Wyzard : ok. done |
| 04:39.35 | nekostar | both dells one new [the install on the new] and one oooold [swap drive to that one after] |
| 04:39.49 | eeyore- | Wyzard: no, dm-crypt :-) |
| 04:39.50 | Jowy | is there info in the dpkg about linksys wireless pci cards? |
| 04:40.05 | deadcat | Jowy: no |
| 04:40.09 | deadcat | Jowy: what chipset? |
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| 04:40.33 | rend | ctrl-alt-backspace sends my pc to hibernate.. how to shut down x and restart? |
| 04:40.35 | user01 | Jowy: k i was thinking of making a custom debian live cd and then have it do vmware and then boot windows in it so the IT guy would see that the windows programs were running |
| 04:40.52 | eeyore- | Wyzard: i like the LUKS patch for cryptsetup ... lets you associate multiple passphrases with one encrypted device |
| 04:40.58 | Wyzard | keyhack: I just checked... when you create a partition using the installer's partitioning tool, in the "Use as:" field, you can choose "physical volume for RAID" |
| 04:41.04 | eeyore- | Wyzard: however it doesn't have plausible deniability like truecrypt |
| 04:41.04 | keyhack | Wyzard, for RAID1, I say 2 or 4 devices? |
| 04:41.10 | keyhack | Wyzard, yeah, I already did that step :-) |
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| 04:41.17 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:41.21 | Wyzard | eeyore-: I use that too, for my laptop's encrypted hard drive -- yaird supports LUKS so it works out nicely |
| 04:41.26 | Jowy | deadcat: i think the model WMP54GS has a broadcom chipset, but i want to make sure. do you know how I can do that? |
| 04:41.29 | samuel | anyone know what the web page for fortune is? |
| 04:41.30 | keyhack | Wyzard, did a 50MB, and a 300GB partition, both volume for RAID, on each of the four drives |
| 04:41.31 | eeyore- | Wyzard: in fact if you had an luks-compatible partition, it's hard to deny what it is :-) |
| 04:41.48 | keyhack | Wyzard, now I'm adding a MD device, RAID1 (for the 50mb), it defaults to "2" drives, can I set it to "4"? |
| 04:41.52 | samuel | the fortune back-end of wanda and kuote? |
| 04:42.00 | rend | i have that x11 login progam running xdb? |
| 04:42.02 | deadcat | Jowy: use ndis+windows driver. but milage may vary |
| 04:42.12 | deadcat | Jowy: its a shit card. |
| 04:42.20 | deadcat | rend: xdm |
| 04:42.35 | eeyore- | Jowy: there's a page that list which WRT54 has what chipset, try to google for it |
| 04:42.37 | diego | i'm following this guide [ http://www.epimetrics.com/topics/one-page?page_id=421&topic=Bit-head%20Stuff&page_topic_id=120#config ] and am at the part where i am to edit grub's menu.list. my kernel line currently reads "/boot/vmlinuz... " Should i change that to "(hd0,0)/vmlinuz..." or "(hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz..."? |
| 04:42.42 | eeyore- | Jowy: linuxdevices.com might link to it |
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| 04:43.21 | Jowy | user01: is there a linux to windows emulator? |
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| 04:43.37 | Jowy | thanks eeyore and deadcat |
| 04:44.13 | Wyzard | keyhack: Go ahead and type "4" in the textbox |
| 04:44.28 | Wyzard | keyhack: (Sorry for the delay -- I'm following along in a VM and I'm caught up now) |
| 04:44.33 | Jowy | ok the chipset is a broadcom one |
| 04:44.52 | keyhack | Wyzard, ok, and I picked all four partitions, but then after, I have a MD device with 300.1GB, which is not correct |
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| 04:45.21 | cem_ | is there any packages for opera? |
| 04:45.27 | Wyzard | keyhack: Make sure you picked the right partitions... you'll get a list of eight partitions, four named "part1" and four named "part2" |
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| 04:45.32 | sanxiyn | cem_: Opera provides one. |
| 04:45.37 | Guerin | cem_: opera isn't in debian. |
| 04:45.38 | huhlig | Hi all |
| 04:45.51 | keyhack | Wyzard: No, only 4xpart1, which is odd |
| 04:45.52 | sanxiyn | cem_: That is, http://opera.com/ provides .deb. |
| 04:45.54 | huhlig | anyone here know where tto get a very wide printed banner |
| 04:45.55 | rend | ok. so now i have the nvidia driver working.. how to get 2 monitors both at 1680x1050 @60 hz working? |
| 04:45.56 | eeyore- | keyhack: did you pick raid5 for the rest of the partitions? |
| 04:46.11 | keyhack | no, I have no MD RAIDs configured right now |
| 04:46.31 | keyhack | I go to add a MD, RAID1, and I only see 4xpart1 (no part2), despite each drive having 2 RAID partitions |
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| 04:46.57 | Wyzard | keyhack: Maybe you already have the part2's assigned to another array? |
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| 04:47.03 | Edgardoweb | como hago para que se vean 2 computadoras en red una con windows y la otra con linux es para compartir archivos |
| 04:47.08 | hanasaki | i am getting an error that the home_icon_name for nautilus is a boolean and is expected to be a string. gconf-editor wont let me change it |
| 04:47.09 | keyhack | Wyzard, I have no MD's configured before then |
| 04:47.18 | diego | Edgardoweb: samba |
| 04:47.28 | neuterspay | What's up deadcat! \|nn| |
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| 04:47.49 | Mr_Rock | english or spanish here??? |
| 04:47.51 | Mr_Rock | both? |
| 04:47.53 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'd double-check that... exit the RAID tool to get back to the partition list, and make sure it doesn't have any RAID devices listed, and that the partitions are all as you expect |
| 04:47.54 | Phated | What the heck is wrong with \m/ :) |
| 04:48.07 | keyhack | Yes, I'm looking at it |
| 04:48.12 | neuterspay | It's not metal enough, phated. |
| 04:48.12 | keyhack | SCSI1-4, no RAID's |
| 04:48.12 | Edgardoweb | diego lo instalo de linux o de windows? |
| 04:48.21 | keyhack | Each one has a 50MB primary, and a 300GB primary |
| 04:48.25 | neuterspay | It's like, baby hand metal. |
| 04:48.28 | Phated | neuterspay: It has an M IN IT! |
| 04:48.34 | keyhack | both set to "physical volume for raid" |
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| 04:48.54 | neuterspay | Phated: True, but small, and didn't have the perspective that I wanted in a greeting to deadcat. |
| 04:49.06 | Phated | deadcaaaaat! |
| 04:49.11 | Wyzard | keyhack: OK... go back into the RAID tool and see if things are any different |
| 04:49.14 | neuterspay | In real life I'd have jumped on the table and made it with both hands. |
| 04:49.21 | Phated | (I am being downright spazzed, I know, school SUCKED!) |
| 04:49.24 | keyhack | Wyzard, no, you can only add a RAID for part1 |
| 04:50.02 | Wyzard | keyhack: That's pretty weird... I've tried it twice and I get all eight partitions in the list |
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| 04:50.11 | Mr_Rock | i have troubles with my keyboard, how do i install the accents in a spanish keyboard?? |
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| 04:50.26 | neuterspay | Phated: Make a backwards L with your right hand and extend your pointer on your left hand. Cross them over each other with palms facing down and pinky knuckles touching. You will have a collossal metal sign. |
| 04:50.34 | diego | Edgardoweb: cual queres que tenga los archivos en el disco duro? |
| 04:50.41 | keyhack | Wyzard, well, I don't know what to say then |
| 04:50.50 | Phated | neuterspay: Whaaaat. Yeah, OK. |
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| 04:51.12 | neuterspay | Phated: xD Whatever man, you started it, accept the \|nn| |
| 04:51.15 | Edgardoweb | diego si para compartirlo por red |
| 04:51.18 | Phated | \m/ |
| 04:51.31 | Mr_Rock | diego podrias decirme como configuro los tildes en mi teclado por favor??? |
| 04:51.48 | diego | Mr_Rock: no tengo idea :) |
| 04:51.49 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'd try deleting the partitions and creating them again |
| 04:51.58 | Mr_Rock | maldicion |
| 04:52.15 | Mr_Rock | dpkg-recnfigure console-data me dijeron |
| 04:52.20 | diego | Edgardoweb: tenes que usar una de las computadoras como el servidor de los archivos... |
| 04:52.24 | Mr_Rock | pero aun asi no logro configurarlo bien |
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| 04:52.41 | cem__ | hi |
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| 04:52.48 | Mr_Rock | y el setxkbmap es no me funciona |
| 04:52.54 | cem__ | fuck bitchx |
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| 04:53.53 | keyhack | Is it better to have RAID1, 2 active, 2 spare, or RAID1 4 active, 0 spare? |
| 04:53.53 | Edgardoweb | diego por donde comienzo |
| 04:54.13 | keyhack | Because the desciption makes it seem like it'll only mirror 2 to, and if one goes done, use the other 2 spares as backup in the mean time... |
| 04:54.36 | diego | Edgardoweb: me tengo que ir |
| 04:54.58 | keyhack | Wyzard, I had to reboot, now both parts show up |
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| 04:55.07 | Mr_Rock | Edgardoweb, tienes linux y window$ en el mismo computador? |
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| 04:55.48 | Edgardoweb | Mr_Rock no una con windows y la otra con linux fedora core 4 |
| 04:56.03 | Mr_Rock | ya pues |
| 04:56.09 | Wyzard | keyhack: weird |
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| 04:56.14 | Mr_Rock | instala samba donde estan los archivos ke kieres compartir |
| 04:56.28 | Guerin | !es |
| 04:56.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:56.46 | keyhack | Wyzard, so RAID1 2 active, 2 spare better than 4 active 0 spare? |
| 04:56.57 | Mr_Rock | thanks Guerin |
| 04:56.58 | Mr_Rock | xD |
| 04:57.02 | khermans | is there any way to create a symbolic linking directory rather than a symbolic linking file? |
| 04:57.14 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'd make them all active |
| 04:57.17 | Mr_Rock | Edgardoweb, ve a #debian-es y sigue preguntando alli |
| 04:57.24 | Guerin | khermans: man ln |
| 04:57.29 | Mr_Rock | nos vemos... saludos desde chile xD |
| 04:57.34 | Mr_Rock | c ya! |
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| 04:58.03 | Wyzard | keyhack: It means any write to /boot will be propagated to all four drives immediately rather than to only two of them, which would mean more I/O overhead, but it's not like you're writing lots of data to /boot on a routine basis anyway |
| 04:59.10 | Wyzard | khermans: You mean a symbolic link to a directory? |
| 04:59.11 | khermans | Guerin, I am getting the error "ln: creating hard link `tmp` to `/tmp`: `Invalid cross-device link" |
| 04:59.29 | Wyzard | khermans: That's because you're trying to make a hard link, not a symbolic link :-) |
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| 04:59.33 | khermans | no, i want the symbolic link to have the attributes of a directory -- not a file |
| 04:59.37 | keyhack | is it better to do largefile or largefile4, I'm going to be storing DVD images and pure audio CDs, so, which is better? |
| 04:59.38 | Guerin | khermans: a hard link is not symbolic |
| 04:59.40 | khermans | Wyzard, any ideas? |
| 04:59.41 | Wyzard | khermans: ln -s /tmp tmp |
| 04:59.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:59.55 | Guerin | well |
| 05:00.06 | Guerin | the actual symlink in that case will still be a file |
| 05:00.18 | Guerin | but that should be transparent to most processes |
| 05:00.19 | khermans | i know how to make symbolic links, but they appear as a file -- need it to look like a directory |
| 05:00.20 | Wyzard | khermans: You can't make a hard link to a directory, and you can't make a hard link to something on a different partition... but you can easily make a symbolic link to a directory on another partition |
| 05:00.25 | keyhack | Wyzard, does it make a big difference between largefile and largefile4 |
| 05:00.27 | rend | does dpkg know anything about multiple displays? |
| 05:00.56 | Wyzard | keyhack: In what? |
| 05:01.03 | khermans | Wyzard, right -- well then is there a way to make the symbolic link have the attribute of a directory? |
| 05:01.07 | keyhack | Wyzard, my RAID5, which is going to be storing DVD VOB's and audio rips |
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| 05:01.26 | Wyzard | khermans: A symbolic link to a directory automatically behaves "like" a directory -- you can cd to it, etc. |
| 05:01.35 | khermans | Wyzard, some script is checking for all the directories in my $HOME, but since this is a symbolic link, the script does not pick it up -- this is not a script I can edit |
| 05:01.49 | Wyzard | khermans: Oh, for "typical usage" ? |
| 05:01.53 | Guerin | khermans: fix your script to traverse symlinks |
| 05:02.00 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:02.01 | Wyzard | khermans: oops, sorry, meant that for keyhack |
| 05:02.02 | khermans | Guerin, see that it is not my script |
| 05:02.03 | Guerin | you can't edit it? |
| 05:02.09 | Wyzard | keyhack: For "typical usage", you mean? |
| 05:02.09 | Guerin | don't use it. |
| 05:02.10 | khermans | its on a shared server |
| 05:02.12 | keyhack | Wyzard, yeah |
| 05:02.14 | khermans | lol |
| 05:02.20 | Guerin | tell the author to make it less shit |
| 05:02.24 | Wyzard | keyhack: You'd have to check the manpage for mke2fs for that... I don't know |
| 05:02.34 | Wyzard | keyhack: I don't use ext2/ext3 for large filesystems |
| 05:02.50 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'd suggest, BTW, using LVM on top of the RAID5 rather than putting a filesystem on it directly |
| 05:02.54 | secher | I"ve got a recursive dependency between libxi-dev and libx11-dev. any reason I shouldn't force one? and if so, how do I do it? they're both version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
| 05:03.07 | khermans | Guerin, is there no way to make the symbolic link appear like a directory to the script -- some hack? |
| 05:03.07 | keyhack | Wyzard, we're using LVM, but what filesystem do you recommend for a 900GB RAID5? |
| 05:03.23 | khermans | Guerin, how does one define a 'directory' in linux? |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | khermans: nttbomk |
| 05:03.37 | Guerin | khermans: you could use mount --bind, but that would require root |
| 05:03.43 | Wyzard | keyhack: Ideally I'd use XFS, but that doesn't support shrinking (in the resizing sense) so it limits its usefulness with LVM |
| 05:04.04 | keyhack | Wyzard, I don't plan on resizing the partitions |
| 05:04.11 | Wyzard | keyhack: I've been using ReiserFS for my LVM (which is 400GB)... might not be ideal, but it works well enough |
| 05:04.13 | keyhack | Wyzard, if anything, I'd be adding extra storage over the LAN or something |
| 05:04.28 | keyhack | Wyzard, I don't know the difference between any of them, lol |
| 05:05.06 | Wyzard | keyhack: Go with XFS if you want -- I've heard that it performs pretty well for large files, but on the other hand, if your system shuts down improperly (power failure, etc.) you can get corruption in files that were recently written to |
| 05:05.28 | keyhack | Wyzard, that could be an issue, so whats the next best thing? |
| 05:05.36 | secher | wyzard: how about jfs? |
| 05:05.46 | Wyzard | keyhack: Remaining options are ReiserFS, JFS, and ext2/3 |
| 05:06.01 | keyhack | Wyzard, so ReiserFS is the next best thing to pick? |
| 05:06.01 | Wyzard | keyhack: I know very little about JFS so I don't know whether to recommend it |
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| 05:06.15 | Wyzard | keyhack: (I do know that, like XFS, it doesn't support shrinking) |
| 05:06.39 | keyhack | Wyzard, what bout the /boot, use LVM or straight up ext3? |
| 05:06.47 | Wyzard | keyhack: I avoid JFS simply because I don't know much about it, which is admittedly not a good reason... and between Reiser and ext3, I pick Reiser for a large filesystem |
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| 05:06.58 | Wyzard | keyhack: LVM on a 50MB /boot partition is ridiculous :-) |
| 05:07.03 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'd use plain ext3 for that |
| 05:07.14 | keyhack | Wyzard, thought so |
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| 05:07.49 | keyhack | Wyzard, thanks for all the help, appreciate it |
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| 05:08.12 | Wyzard | keyhack: np, I'm glad to help |
| 05:08.21 | secher | keyhack: I"m not sure, but I think jfs may corrupt files on poweroutage.. I"m having some difficulties with corrupt files currently, but I"m not sure, again. I"ve heard many good things about jfs, and have been using it for almost 4 months now on my laptop, with very little problem, save this corruption bit, but I do not know if that's jfs' fault. |
| 05:08.24 | cem_ | how would i get enlightenment if say i want all the packages, apt-get install enlightenment, but what do i add to get all the e packages at once?? |
| 05:08.39 | keyhack | Wyzard, swap doesn't matter right? (1 GB of DDR, mainly just video playback, nothing else) |
| 05:09.07 | keyhack | Wyzard, and secondly, is there a way to automate this install? (I may be reproducing this machine for friends, so I dont want to have to keep on re-doing this crazy install stuff over and over by hand) |
| 05:09.13 | Wyzard | I'd create a gigabyte or two of swap space on the LVM -- you have enough room that you can afford it -- but it's not a big deal |
| 05:09.29 | secher | cem_: You pretty much get all of them, save Eterm, which is different all together, and the epplets, which are not necessary. |
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| 05:10.03 | Wyzard | keyhack: Well, you could write a set of instructions for your friends -- think of it as a script written for a human :-) |
| 05:10.11 | secher | cem_: but you can add apt-get install enlightenment eterm |
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| 05:10.21 | keyhack | Wyzard, so I take it that there is no automated installer like Windows supports? |
| 05:10.31 | Wyzard | keyhack: Or you could write a shell script to be run from a prompt on the Debian installation CD (or something similar, like an Ubuntu LiveCD) |
| 05:10.44 | cem_ | i already have eterm |
| 05:11.00 | secher | I forget what the package name is for the epplets, just apt-cache search epplets |
| 05:11.12 | Wyzard | keyhack: If you mean saving the set of choices made in the installer, it might be possible, but I don't know |
| 05:11.20 | karsten | keyhack: FAI is your Debian installation automator of choice for Debian. |
| 05:11.23 | Wyzard | keyhack: Ask about that in #debian-boot -- that's where they develop the installer |
| 05:11.25 | cem_ | secher, how do i get all of them at once? |
| 05:11.33 | secher | cem_: then you should be pretty good with everything save epplets. |
| 05:11.37 | Wyzard | karsten: FAI requires a special server though |
| 05:11.42 | karsten | Wyzard: Ah. |
| 05:11.55 | secher | cem_: just tack on the other packages seperated by whitespace. |
| 05:11.56 | sanxiyn | keyhack: Debian installer has preseeding capability. |
| 05:12.05 | keyhack | karsten, Wyzard, a special server may be fine |
| 05:12.06 | cem_ | oh ok |
| 05:12.16 | Daveman | Hi Wyzard |
| 05:12.18 | keyhack | sanxiyn, what does that mean? |
| 05:12.22 | secher | cem_: as in apt-get install enlightenment epplets eterm etc. etc. |
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| 05:12.40 | secher | cem_: man apt-get |
| 05:12.41 | sanxiyn | keyhack: You don't get to answer interactive questions. |
| 05:12.48 | sanxiyn | Also |
| 05:12.49 | sanxiyn | !fai |
| 05:12.49 | dpkg | it has been said that fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 05:12.59 | dbernar1 | why do I not see a buddy when he logs into my computer through ssh? |
| 05:13.18 | secher | dbernarl: how are you looking? |
| 05:13.32 | secher | Wyzard: I'll second that. |
| 05:13.42 | keyhack | hmm, sweet |
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| 05:14.47 | secher | dbernarl: what are you using to "see" him? |
| 05:15.14 | cem_ | secher, thanks |
| 05:15.38 | dbernar1 | who, w, users, none work. I use ps aux, and I see his login processes there, and he also says he is logged in,. |
| 05:15.40 | keyhack | Wyzard, btw, it's not booting into Linux, can't find any OS |
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| 05:15.51 | dbernar1 | w shows nothing in fact. |
| 05:15.58 | dbernar1 | users, and who show 3 of me. |
| 05:16.02 | dbernar1 | even as root |
| 05:16.15 | secher | cem_: Np. use in good health. and once you get used to Debian and E, I'd strongly suggest moving to E17.. sweetness, see get-e.org |
| 05:16.19 | Wyzard | keyhack: You did install GRUB, right? |
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| 05:16.32 | secher | dbernarl: is he logged in now? |
| 05:16.35 | Wyzard | keyhack: You want to install GRUB to the MBR of the first drive |
| 05:16.35 | karsten | dbernar1: w and who require /var/log/wtmp exist. |
| 05:16.35 | dbernar1 | ya |
| 05:16.39 | keyhack | Wyzard, I did. |
| 05:16.43 | keyhack | Wyzard, thats not the problem hold on |
| 05:16.52 | keyhack | Wyzard, there are two different type of SATA connectors on our BIOS |
| 05:17.05 | karsten | dbernar1: ... and if it's been recently logrotated, you won't see the login entry (it's rolled off to another file). |
| 05:17.07 | keyhack | Wyzard, 4 that show up as IDE in the BIOS, and then the other 4 are for the hardware? RAID |
| 05:17.08 | dbernar1 | it exists |
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| 05:17.12 | secher | karsten: is it sufficient to touch /var/log/wtmp? |
| 05:17.18 | Wyzard | keyhack: I suspect the drive the BIOS is trying to boot from isn't the one you put GRUB on |
| 05:17.27 | cem_ | secher, to move to e17 do i just fallow the directions on enlightenment.org to install? can i have both e16 and e17 installed at the same time? |
| 05:17.28 | secher | dbernarl: is he logged in now? |
| 05:17.37 | dbernar1 | yes |
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| 05:17.42 | keyhack | Wyzard, there are no IDE drives according to the BIOS at the moment, I'm moving the SATA connectors back to the other set |
| 05:17.44 | dbernar1 | shows him even in that log file. |
| 05:17.53 | rend | is there a firefox 1.5 package for debian? |
| 05:17.55 | dbernar1 | (I cat'ed it) |
| 05:18.18 | sanxiyn | rend: yes? |
| 05:18.27 | Wyzard | rend: Not in sarge, the stable release, which you're running |
| 05:18.37 | rend | oh |
| 05:18.41 | Wyzard | rend: In the development branch, yes |
| 05:18.51 | rend | so i should just install the tgz from firefox? |
| 05:18.53 | sanxiyn | rend: You can just download from mozilla.com and run it too. |
| 05:18.59 | karsten | secher: No, it needs login data in it. |
| 05:18.59 | secher | cem_: yes, 16 and 17 at same time is Ok, but a little tricky, you have to install 17 elsewhere. It's a little more than just following the directions, they assume you have some knowledge of the development process of Linux. |
| 05:19.00 | sanxiyn | rend: Should work on Sarge fine. |
| 05:19.12 | rend | right. how to add the shortcuts in the menus? |
| 05:19.14 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: Please don't recommend installing non-packaged software to a newbie :-) |
| 05:19.42 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: That's the quickest way to end up with a system full of ancient cruft that breaks things in subtle ways |
| 05:19.48 | karsten | secher: Might check that you've got a prior version, eg: /var/log/wtmp.1. man 'w' for details on specifying alternates. |
| 05:20.10 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: Well, firefox tgz can be unpacked under home directory. I don't see how that's harmful. |
| 05:20.12 | rend | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxpcom_core.so: cannot op |
| 05:20.25 | secher | cem_: I forgot, there's prepackaged .debs for 17, google for shadoi and enlightenment 17 |
| 05:20.29 | Wyzard | rend: http://www.backports.org/ -- search for Firefox |
| 05:20.32 | sanxiyn | rend: You don't run firefox-bin directly. I believe there's README saying which shell script to run. |
| 05:20.40 | keyhack | Wyzard, lol, Grub booted, but then we got a shitload of errors |
| 05:20.42 | Wyzard | rend: You can get an unofficial 1.5 package for sarge |
| 05:20.55 | keyhack | Wyzard, devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for md/2xx |
| 05:20.56 | dbernar1 | That is just incredible to me, that who would not show a user on my system. |
| 05:21.08 | rend | oh ./firefox works |
| 05:21.10 | keyhack | Wyzard, I think I may have to re-do the partitions shit again since we moved them on the SATA connectors from the the other RAID ports |
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| 05:21.41 | secher | dbernarl: if he's logged in currently, tell him to run top, then you ' ps aux | grep <hisuserid>' should show you he's in, and then work from there.. |
| 05:21.47 | Wyzard | keyhack: Shouldn't be necessary, I'd think, but try it if you want... I don't know the details of your system |
| 05:21.58 | dbernar1 | Oh, I seee him in ps. |
| 05:22.05 | keyhack | Wyzard, time to learn for myself hehe |
| 05:22.11 | Wyzard | keyhack: If that's the case, then you're basically going to be redoing your whole install |
| 05:22.13 | sanxiyn | rend: sure it does... |
| 05:22.14 | dbernar1 | I said that in the beginning, I think. |
| 05:22.24 | secher | bernarl: I must have missed that. |
| 05:22.34 | keyhack | Wyzard, fine by me |
| 05:22.40 | keyhack | Wyzard, I got it down pat now, lol |
| 05:22.49 | dbernar1 | right, which is not very important, but, I mean, I never knew this could even happen. |
| 05:22.49 | secher | dbernarl: have you tried last -10 |
| 05:23.08 | rend | i wish my x11 looked better.. like transparent windows.. black background in the terminal instead of white |
| 05:23.12 | Wyzard | keyhack: Though you wouldn't need to actually delete and recreate the partitions/RAID/LVM setup... just select the entries for the /boot and / partitions and change them from "do not use" to a filesystem, so it'll format them and install anew onto them |
| 05:23.16 | dbernar1 | I see him in last too. |
| 05:23.23 | dbernar1 | But, I can not talk to him, for example. |
| 05:23.28 | dbernar1 | Cause it says he is not logged int. |
| 05:23.38 | secher | you're using talk? |
| 05:23.43 | dbernar1 | I wanted to. |
| 05:23.49 | cem_ | secher, maybe i shouldnt of even isntall e16, since i want to use e17 would it be easier just to un-install e16 then install e17? |
| 05:23.51 | dbernar1 | Sometimes with friends. |
| 05:23.52 | karsten | dbernar1: tools get their data from somewhere. In the case of w / who, it's /var/run/utmp. Confirm that that file exists. After a while, you start to grok that if there's users not appearing in 'w' or 'who' output, check that that file's there. |
| 05:24.04 | Wyzard | rend: Some terminal apps can do simulated transparency, but true transparency depends on features which are only in the latest versions of X, and aren't very robust yet |
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| 05:24.18 | secher | have him type mesg y |
| 05:24.21 | secher | and try again |
| 05:24.22 | dbernar1 | that file is giving me problems lately, /var/run/utmp, I get that message from screen too. |
| 05:24.26 | dbernar1 | But the file exists. |
| 05:24.30 | secher | dbernarl: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:25.07 | secher | cem_: I'd say yes to that. Understand 17 is far from complete, but what is done is *nice*. |
| 05:25.24 | karsten | dbernar1: 'utmp' logs logins/logouts. 'who' and 'w' show logged-in users. Not *all* processes or *all* users with currently active processes. |
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| 05:25.49 | karsten | dbernar1: So if you want to know who's logged in, you need to find out when they logged in. Or at least that's the current established heuristic. |
| 05:26.01 | karsten | dbernar1: ... and *that* requires persistent data on when they logged in. |
| 05:26.54 | secher | dbernarl: have you tried to 'wall' ? |
| 05:27.07 | dbernar1 | karsten: why would my /var/run/utmp got corrupted like that? I bet it is that file. I get error messages from screen about that file lately too. |
| 05:29.17 | keyhack | Wyzard, thanks again, seriously |
| 05:29.45 | karsten | dbernar1: *THAT* is a good question. |
| 05:29.50 | sanxiyn | dbernar1: I am curious about it too. screen complained about utmp corruption from time to time for me too. |
| 05:29.54 | karsten | dbernar1: It can be a sign of a rootkit. |
| 05:29.59 | sanxiyn | dbernar1: I couldn't fid any regularity. |
| 05:30.16 | dbernar1 | OK, well, at least I asked a good question. |
| 05:30.24 | karsten | dbernar1: ... or it could be something else. I'd put some effort into finding out when it disappeared. |
| 05:30.25 | sanxiyn | dbernar1, karsten: typically reboot fixed that for me. |
| 05:30.48 | dbernar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.50 | sanxiyn | And some time after, when I almost forgot, I get the error again. |
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| 05:31.07 | dbernar1 | I have the file, and everything. |
| 05:31.09 | keyhack | Wyzard, umm, this time, its asking to install LILO, and I picked RAID, and get the RSOD, so, where do I install LILO? |
| 05:31.20 | dbernar1 | the utmp one. and it has proper permissions, afaict. |
| 05:32.22 | Wyzard | keyhack: Umm... you shouldn't need to install LILO at all |
| 05:32.22 | dbernar1 | should it be executable? |
| 05:32.23 | karsten | dbernar1: As root: touch /var/run/utmp; chown root.utmp /var/run/utmp; chmod 664 /var/log/utmp |
| 05:32.23 | karsten | dbernar1: ... should be a good start. |
| 05:32.23 | keyhack | Wyzard, so... then.... what.... |
| 05:32.23 | secher | I've got a recursive dependency between libxi-dev and libx11-dev. any reason I should not force one and if all is well, how? |
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| 05:32.23 | dbernar1 | karsten: I have a file exactly like that. with some text in it, that is. |
| 05:32.23 | karsten | secher: Smells like a bug. |
| 05:32.23 | karsten | dbernar1: Have your buddy log out and back in. |
| 05:32.23 | keyhack | Wyzard, how does it boot to it then? |
| 05:32.31 | karsten | dbernar1: ... run 'w' and see if his login session appears. |
| 05:32.32 | dbernar1 | karsten: did not do anything. |
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| 05:32.41 | dbernar1 | I tried that. |
| 05:32.42 | karsten | dbernar1: ... or alternatively ssh in yourself. |
| 05:32.43 | Wyzard | keyhack: I dunno why it's doing that -- it might think GRUB isn't suitable since your /boot isn't on a plain partition, though in that case it should've done the same thing last time -- but I'd just switch to a prompt (Alt-F2) and run "grub-install /dev/hda" |
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| 05:32.47 | karsten | dbernar1: Problem. |
| 05:33.03 | keyhack | Wyzard, it is on a plain partition (RAID1 ext3) |
| 05:33.06 | dbernar1 | karsten: even though I have the file there, I should do what you said with creating and changing the permissions, or no? |
| 05:33.18 | karsten | dbernar1: Yes. |
| 05:33.29 | dbernar1 | so erase the file, and then recreate it? |
| 05:33.40 | karsten | dbernar1: Permissions/ownership is key on that. The file is IIUC written to by GID utmp as part fo the login process. |
| 05:33.40 | Wyzard | keyhack: The thing that's actually mounted is the RAID device, and that's not a plain partition |
| 05:33.49 | karsten | dbernar1: Don't erase. |
| 05:33.51 | keyhack | Wyzard, grub-install not found |
| 05:33.55 | karsten | dbernar1: ... just chown and chmod first. |
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| 05:34.11 | dbernar1 | karsten: but I have the file there, with that ownership, and those permissions. |
| 05:34.21 | karsten | dbernar1: If it's still fscked, we can cat /dev/null into it. |
| 05:34.25 | sanxiyn | karsten: Same here. It is owned by root.utmp. |
| 05:34.31 | karsten | sanxiyn: Interesting. |
| 05:34.54 | sanxiyn | karsten: I've expereicned that from time to time, and *now* again... argh. |
| 05:35.11 | sanxiyn | pretty sure it was okay yesterday |
| 05:35.17 | keyhack | Wyzard, so how do I do this then? lol |
| 05:35.20 | Wyzard | Do you know how to write a GRUB config file? (Or, is one already present on your /boot ?) |
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| 05:36.18 | dbernar1 | karsten: OK, just to reiterate, to make sure I get what you are saying, and you get what I am saying. I have a -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 11136 2006-01-08 20:06 /var/run/utmp. Do I do anything to it? |
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| 05:36.27 | keyhack | Wyzard, I just need to get the bootloader working so I can go to bed, lol |
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| 05:36.46 | keyhack | Wyzard, the installer won't let me pick GRUB, and "grub-install" isn't on the console |
| 05:36.47 | dbernar1 | that file was last written to on like, the eighth |
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| 05:36.52 | dbernar1 | I have a clue, though. |
| 05:36.58 | karsten | dbernar1: check 'w' output. If it doesn't show anything, create a login record (by logging in, locally, or via ssh), and test again. |
| 05:37.35 | Wyzard | keyhack: Well, there are two options I can think of... one is to install GRUB manually and write the config file yourself, and the other is a little more hackish but if it works (which I believe it will) should allow you to install GRUB using the installer's normal mechanism for doing so |
| 05:37.44 | Wyzard | keyhack: Which would you prefer? :-) |
| 05:37.59 | keyhack | I dunno, whatever is easier |
| 05:38.04 | keyhack | lol |
| 05:38.06 | keyhack | I just want to sleep |
| 05:38.13 | Wyzard | keyhack: hehe, ok |
| 05:38.14 | keyhack | Why won't it just install like last time? |
| 05:38.18 | keyhack | just tell me what to do |
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| 05:38.55 | secher | Wyzard: screw his sleep, outline the hackish version, I'm curious. <JK, keyhack> |
| 05:38.57 | sanxiyn | karsten: w shows my gdm login, but login from ssh doesn't appear in w output. |
| 05:39.03 | Wyzard | keyhack: Reboot the install CD, and say "expert26" at the boot prompt so you get a menu of steps to choose from, rather than being automatically moved forward through them |
| 05:39.19 | keyhack | Wyzard, so you are saying to redo the entire install, again. |
| 05:39.28 | Wyzard | keyhack: Not quite |
| 05:39.49 | keyhack | lol |
| 05:40.20 | Wyzard | keyhack: Go to the partitoner and get it to show all your partitions -- you might have to go into the LVM menu and back out to get it to recognize the logical volume |
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| 05:40.58 | Wyzard | Open the menu for your root filesystem and tell it to mount that on /, but *not to format it*, rather, leave it as-is |
| 05:41.04 | Wyzard | (I'm pretty sure there's an option for that) |
| 05:41.31 | dbernar1 | wtf is gnome-pty-helper anyhow? |
| 05:41.37 | Wyzard | Exit the partitioner and you should have your root filesystem mounted somewhere (/mnt/debinst, I think), intact and untouched |
| 05:42.13 | vicarious | I have RTFM and sat in on #nx for 4 days, but am unable to find out how to estimate bandwidth usage of nx session for remote linux desktop. Does anyone use nx hav a familiarity with bandwidth usage over time with bmp filling? |
| 05:42.36 | Wyzard | Then switch to a console (Alt-F2) and manually mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/debinst/boot -- you're mounting one of the RAID constituent devices, going under the RAID driver |
| 05:42.55 | Wyzard | Now your /boot is mounted and it's a plain partition :-) |
| 05:43.10 | Wyzard | Switch back to the installer (Alt-F1) and choose the GRUB installation option from the menu |
| 05:43.52 | Wyzard | and, if it works as I suspect it does, it will see that the installed system's /boot corresponds to /dev/hda1, and will happily install GRUB on /dev/hda |
| 05:43.52 | wlx | I transfer from xorg6.8 to 6.9 ,I got the problem when i run mlterm "Unable to start - open_screen_intern() failed." |
| 05:44.07 | Wyzard | secher: That's my hackish solution :-) |
| 05:44.13 | secher | Wyzard: Wow. Nice way to do it, but how did you figure that out? |
| 05:44.38 | keyhack | Wyzard, it blew up, and totally did not discover the VLM stuff properly, and now its a big cluster fuck |
| 05:44.45 | keyhack | Wyzard, lol, oh well, time to start over again |
| 05:44.57 | Wyzard | keyhack: No, don't start over |
| 05:45.15 | keyhack | Wyzard, no, RSODs everywhere, wrong sizes, missing partitions, etc |
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| 05:45.23 | Wyzard | keyhack: Missing partitions? |
| 05:45.33 | keyhack | Wyzard, yeah, one of the LVM's was 0.0GB |
| 05:45.35 | Wyzard | keyhack: That doesn't even make any sense... are you sure your motherboard isn't haunted or something? |
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| 05:46.11 | secher | sacrificed a chicken to your scsi chain recently? |
| 05:46.37 | Wyzard | keyhack: I guess that could be the cause of the LILO problem last time, though |
| 05:46.39 | keyhack | Wyzard, now it won't let us delete any of the LVM stuff, it just stays there, so now we have to redo the RAID |
| 05:46.52 | metalhedd | If one wanted to have 2 separate x sessions for 2 separate users that could be logged in simultaneously (from the same physical machine only)would there be alot of overhead? would it essentially double the memory usage of Gnome/KDE? would the session that's not currently being used eat alot of CPU Cycles? is there abetter way to acheive the same type of result? |
| 05:46.54 | Wyzard | keyhack: Reinstall, I guess, if it seems like the simplest way to go... but go to bed now, and do the install tomorrow |
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| 05:47.23 | dbernar1 | I bet deleting a process from the /proc directory is stupid. Anyone contest that? |
| 05:47.31 | keyhack | Wyzard, no, I don't stop something until it's done |
| 05:47.42 | Wyzard | keyhack: I'm going to bed now, because I stayed up way too late last night, and slept too late this morning, and got to work at 11am and thus had to work until 7pm :-) |
| 05:47.53 | keyhack | Wyzard, omg! I do the same thing |
| 05:47.54 | keyhack | Wyzard, lol |
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| 05:48.10 | Wyzard | keyhack: That's why I'm telling you to go to bed now :-) |
| 05:48.12 | keyhack | Wyzard, thanks again, seriously (despite leading us down the wrong path this time! jk) |
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| 05:49.19 | Wyzard | keyhack: np, and good luck with it tomorrow |
| 05:49.51 | secher | Wyzard: who are you, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 05:50.10 | Wyzard | secher: I'm not sure what sort of answer you're looking for |
| 05:50.24 | Wyzard | secher: I'm not a well-known DD whose name you'd recognize, or anything like that |
| 05:50.29 | secher | I'm getting the impression you're a little more than an experienced user. |
| 05:50.31 | Wyzard | (I'm not a DD at all, in fact) |
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| 05:50.45 | Wyzard | secher: No, I'm just an experienced user |
| 05:50.56 | vicarious | has anyone here used nx for remote access? |
| 05:50.57 | Wyzard | secher: I've been running Debian (unstable) as my main OS for about 5.5 years |
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| 05:51.01 | secher | Wyzard: Kk, well, your knowledge impressed the hell out of me. |
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| 05:51.23 | secher | Night Wyzard. |
| 05:51.33 | dbernar1 | he is the incredible wyzard of OzDebian |
| 05:51.56 | Wyzard | secher: People often tell newbies here that you shouldn't run unstable until you know what you're doing, because stuff breaks... that's true, but the other side of the coin is that running unstable is a good way to learn a lot if you have the patience, because stuff breaks and you're forced to figure out how to fix it |
| 05:52.29 | secher | Wyzard: I had that same argument the other day with someone on here. |
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| 05:52.36 | Wyzard | secher: I've been doing that for half a decade, so I've seen a lot :-) |
| 05:52.42 | dbernar1 | and I am the incredible moron who closed his termianal |
| 05:52.48 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 05:53.30 | Wyzard | OK... going to bed for real now |
| 05:53.32 | Wyzard | Goodnight everyone |
| 05:53.36 | secher | Wyzard: I've only been on for a couple of years, but I haven't been able to spend the oodles of time learning like I once did, with family and work and all.. *sigh* Night. |
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| 05:53.56 | secher | I need 36 hour days. |
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| 05:54.16 | dbernar1 | what does "awk { print $3; }" do? |
| 05:54.20 | dbernar1 | I have that as a process. |
| 05:54.36 | Guerin | dbernar1: man awk |
| 05:54.43 | gravity | It waits for something from stdin and prints the third item in it that's been separated by essentially whitespace |
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| 05:55.33 | dbernar1 | Oh, ya, let me go learn awk now:) |
| 05:55.44 | gravity | It's worth your time |
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| 05:55.58 | dbernar1 | I am too busy, still in school. |
| 05:56.02 | Wyzard | secher: Well, I just turned 24 last month -- until two years ago, I was in college and had lots of free time :-) |
| 05:56.03 | kds | Hi. |
| 05:56.21 | sanxiyn | dbernar1: prints "c" from "a b c d". |
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| 05:56.44 | secher | Wyzard: so go already! <grin> |
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| 05:56.50 | dbernar1 | right, it looks like that. but it is a process on its own on my computer. |
| 05:56.51 | kds | My machine was working fine, but after a recent upgrade the USB devices have stopped automounting. Mounting via commandline is working fine though. Any hints? |
| 05:57.01 | hunterp | how can i play a midi file. ive downloaded three programs and they all whine about lack of "/dev/sequencer" |
| 05:57.26 | dbernar1 | What would happen if I was to kill the init process? |
| 05:57.38 | fooz | hunterp, if you have no hardware MIDI renderer, you need a software one. /dev/sequencer is a hardware MIDI interface. |
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| 05:58.33 | secher | is apt offline? |
| 05:58.38 | secher | apt am I online? |
| 05:58.43 | dbernar1 | And what the heck is /usr/sbin/apache? I use apache2, and I do not know whether that should even be ran as root. |
| 05:58.47 | fooz | hunterp, try timidity, fluidsynth, etc |
| 05:58.58 | fooz | hunterp, they need patch files (instruments) though. |
| 05:59.01 | kreg | i'm trying to learn NIS, is there a channel or a better howto? |
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| 06:00.48 | hunterp | fooz: is there an all in one thing i can install ? |
| 06:00.53 | dbernar1 | how do I kill the annoying sound which happens when I cat a binary file? |
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| 06:01.12 | fooz | hunterp, probably not. |
| 06:01.24 | sanxiyn | dbernar1: unset bell option in your terminal emulator? |
| 06:01.50 | fooz | hunterp, apt-cache search midi will return a lot of MIDI tools |
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| 06:02.01 | fooz | hunterp, including free samples/instruments |
| 06:02.10 | dbernar1 | OK, I figured that one out... |
| 06:02.18 | dbernar1 | It was on this machine, not the other one anyhow. |
| 06:02.20 | sanxiyn | fooz: Hm, is there a free MIDI patch available? |
| 06:02.33 | dbernar1 | Well, time for bed for me too, I can already tell. Thanks. |
| 06:02.42 | fooz | sanxiyn, yeah, lots. there's sites where people create/trade them.. usually single-instrument patches though (for musicians) |
| 06:02.50 | secher | has anyone else here tried to get the Oxford English Dictionary working under wine? |
| 06:03.12 | fooz | sound blasters come with some soundfonts (not very good ones but..) |
| 06:03.21 | sanxiyn | secher: Check AppDB? |
| 06:03.29 | secher | night dbernarl. |
| 06:03.37 | fooz | i have musician friends that have timidity configs spanning pages, referencing hundreds of samples across 5 CDs |
| 06:03.44 | fooz | but they're nuts |
| 06:03.45 | secher | sanxiyn: where? |
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| 06:03.57 | sanxiyn | http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 06:04.10 | dbernar1 | btw, you will all be glad to hear I fixed the w, who, and users issue. |
| 06:04.19 | secher | sanxiyn: Thanks. |
| 06:04.19 | sanxiyn | secher: Yes there is. Have a look at them. |
| 06:04.48 | secher | dbernarl: Glad is not the word for it.. <grin> |
| 06:05.10 | dbernar1 | sanxiyn: if you want to know how, I killed a lot of my processes, so I am not sure which one did it. Just basically some cleanup work, I guess, to kill off old stuck bash sessions. |
| 06:05.22 | dbernar1 | or whoever it was that said they had the same issue. |
| 06:05.34 | dbernar1 | !nicktab |
| 06:05.35 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 06:05.35 | sanxiyn | dbernar1: That explains why reboot tends to fix it. |
| 06:06.00 | dbernar1 | yes, that was my clue on that. |
| 06:06.02 | dbernar1 | heh |
| 06:06.26 | nevyn | or set the expansion mode to bash style if you prefer |
| 06:06.38 | nevyn | assuming a non sucky irc client where you can do this |
| 06:07.35 | Doctor | bash style where it gives a list? |
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| 06:09.46 | housser | which is the latest official kernel for 'testing'? |
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| 06:11.10 | housser | is it still at 2.6.8? if i want to use a later version, how should i install it? |
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| 06:12.04 | pureone | apt-cache search ^kernel-image |
| 06:12.28 | fontp | they said 22s wouldn't fit, but they liars |
| 06:12.36 | fontp | err, shit. misfire |
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| 06:13.49 | abrocadabro | any ideas why grep -f file1 file2 hangs? |
| 06:14.21 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: because file1 has a whole crapload of lines? |
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| 06:14.44 | housser | pureone: ok, there is 2.6.12-1 for 386 and 686. mine is a P4 machine. which of the two should it be? |
| 06:15.01 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: additionally, "hangs" is a rather useless description; if you don't know what it's doing, pop open a new terminal and strace it. |
| 06:15.15 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: right, more than 5000 lines |
| 06:15.26 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: I think you need to read again what the -f option does |
| 06:16.16 | housser | pureone: ? |
| 06:16.33 | dondelelcaro | housser: search for linux-image. |
| 06:16.33 | Vooloo | is there some kind of server monitor software which records the loads over a timeframe into stats or something like that? |
| 06:16.39 | dondelelcaro | !munin |
| 06:16.39 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html FE. |
| 06:16.41 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: I am trying to get file1 to match with file2, and discard the rest in file1 |
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| 06:16.55 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: like a diff? |
| 06:16.59 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: or what? |
| 06:17.12 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 06:17.18 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: or do you want the union of file1 and file2 with non-unique lines discarded? |
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| 06:18.37 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: I have a whole bunch of emails in file2, email and pwd pairs in file2, I need to get rid of the email/pwd paris if the email doesn't exist in file1 |
| 06:18.53 | abrocadabro | only emails in file1 |
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| 06:19.48 | opnsrc | Ok, I ran rcconf and there is a program called atd that starts with Debian. Well, I searched Synaptic for it (using the search) and nothing shows up. What is it? Do I need it? |
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| 06:22.07 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: perl -e 'open(FILE,q(file1)); my %email; while (<FILE>) {chomp; $email{$_}=1;} open(FILE2,q(file2); while (<FILE2>){my ($mail,$pass) = split /\s+/; print qq($mail$pass) if $email{$mail};}' |
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| 06:22.46 | jm_ | opnsrc: man atd |
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| 06:23.15 | dondelelcaro | s/q(file2)/q(file2))/ |
| 06:23.22 | housser | dondelelcaro: not very clear cut about the diff between linux-image 386 and 686. 386-class machine would inlcude p4 too. |
| 06:23.32 | dondelelcaro | housser: sure. |
| 06:23.40 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 06:23.47 | dondelelcaro | housser: 386 will work just fine on a p4. 686 won't work on a 386. |
| 06:23.59 | dondelelcaro | (well, actually, 386 won't work on a 386 either... but that's neither here nor there) |
| 06:24.01 | opnsrc | Doesn't really look like I need it |
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| 06:24.11 | opnsrc | Just hope it won't ruin anything if I remove it (well I can always put it back) |
| 06:24.13 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 06:24.13 | housser | dondelelcaro: ok, a 686 definitely work for a P$. |
| 06:24.18 | dondelelcaro | housser: yerp. |
| 06:24.21 | housser | i mean P4 |
| 06:24.38 | jollo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.41 | housser | thks. |
| 06:25.01 | dondelelcaro | jollo: set up wlan0 in your interfaces file like iface wlan0 dhcp; and have an auto wlan0; line there as well. |
| 06:25.04 | jm_ | opnsrc: you can't remove it |
| 06:25.05 | dondelelcaro | jollo: man 5 interfaces; for details |
| 06:25.26 | jm_ | or you can, but it's likely to remove other packages along with it |
| 06:25.30 | jollo | man 5 interfaces |
| 06:25.32 | jollo | ok |
| 06:25.45 | jm_ | opnsrc: ohh ignore me, you can, I was thinking of cron |
| 06:26.00 | neuterspay | I'm having a string of errors - thinking I hosed my system, may need restall... FUCK me. |
| 06:26.14 | neuterspay | Tried to reinstall dpkg via aptget, now getting errors. |
| 06:26.17 | ben_ | what kind of errors |
| 06:26.24 | opnsrc | Thanks jm_ |
| 06:26.25 | opnsrc | what's cron? |
| 06:26.32 | dondelelcaro | !cron |
| 06:26.32 | neuterspay | All kinds of errors, please check that your locale settings : language = "en_US:en_GB:en |
| 06:26.32 | dpkg | i guess cron is a program which allows for the management of regular background processing, or 'man 5 crontab' |
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| 06:26.36 | nekostar | is there a way to resize an active partition? |
| 06:26.41 | neuterspay | are supported and installed on your system |
| 06:26.49 | dondelelcaro | yeesh, that's a horrible description |
| 06:27.06 | neuterspay | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog |
| 06:27.16 | neuterspay | Debconf: unable to initialize frontend: KDE |
| 06:27.16 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: that's no big deal. |
| 06:27.17 | opnsrc | jm_ I disabled cron and nothing happened |
| 06:27.22 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: please don't paste here. |
| 06:27.22 | opnsrc | !cron |
| 06:27.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cron is a program which allows for the management of regular background processing, or 'man 5 crontab' |
| 06:27.30 | jm_ | opnsrc: I wouldn't disableit if I were you |
| 06:27.36 | opnsrc | why not? |
| 06:27.40 | neuterspay | dendelelcaro, not pasting. What should I do? Errors with dpkg |
| 06:27.54 | jm_ | because a whole lot of things will not happen if you do |
| 06:28.09 | neuterspay | Simply lost with what else I get on google and mans. |
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| 06:28.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, cron is <reply> cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
| 06:28.48 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 06:29.49 | voltagex | o.O I can't remember, how do I find out my local IP in debian? ifconfig isn't on the system |
| 06:30.07 | opnsrc | I read that, I still don't see why I need it? |
| 06:30.10 | dondelelcaro | !myip |
| 06:30.11 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ ([\d\.]+)<.+/$1/;' |
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| 06:30.34 | neuterspay | Does anybody know what I can do? When I try to install anything, it's saying that dpkg is missing files, and can't apt-get install dpkg because of errors. Suggestions? |
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| 06:30.46 | dondelelcaro | neuterspay: give us the full output from dpkg using the paster bot |
| 06:30.55 | rend | hmm. is it possible that windows design is very distracting? |
| 06:31.09 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 06:31.12 | rend | like popups ever minute telling you to turn on automatic updates |
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| 06:31.26 | neuterspay | dondelelcaro: Sorry, how do I use the paster bot? |
| 06:31.29 | rend | then the virtual desktops in linux are cool |
| 06:31.31 | dondelelcaro | rend: uh... this isn't #windows; redmond-spawn is off topic here... |
| 06:31.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell neuterspay -about paster |
| 06:31.42 | opnsrc | what about dbus-1 , that looks like applications may need it |
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| 06:31.57 | neuterspay | Alright, thanks. |
| 06:31.59 | opnsrc | It's used for sending messages between applications |
| 06:32.00 | keyhack | Can Grub not install to a RAID1? |
| 06:32.04 | neuterspay | Trying some troubleshooting first. |
| 06:32.07 | jm_ | keyhack: sure it can |
| 06:32.08 | neuterspay | See if I can't figure it out. |
| 06:32.09 | neuterspay | Again. |
| 06:32.12 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: not directly, but it will work just fine. |
| 06:32.15 | rend | dondelelcaro but is comparisons offtopic? |
| 06:32.19 | dondelelcaro | rend: yes. |
| 06:32.21 | keyhack | jm_: Well I'm getting RSOD everytime I try to install Grub, it won't even ask where to |
| 06:32.21 | rend | is=are |
| 06:32.22 | opnsrc | I think Grub always wants to install to the primary master |
| 06:32.34 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: nah, you can install it to any drive you want |
| 06:32.34 | jm_ | keyhack: RSOD? |
| 06:32.38 | keyhack | Red Screen of Death |
| 06:32.46 | opnsrc | So whatever is your primary master, the linux bootloaders will try to install to that by default |
| 06:32.52 | opnsrc | Yeah, but you have to specify otherwise |
| 06:32.58 | keyhack | I have no place to specify it. |
| 06:33.02 | rend | so i have a new debian install.. what more can i do now to increase productivity? |
| 06:33.18 | jm_ | keyhack: install it manually on both drives |
| 06:33.28 | keyhack | jm_: Both drives? it's four |
| 06:33.34 | keyhack | jm_: And how the heck do I do it manually |
| 06:33.39 | jm_ | keyhack: how can RAID1 be four drives? |
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| 06:33.53 | dondelelcaro | rend: get familiar with an editor that you like (vi or emacs) find a good window manager (ion or openbox)... |
| 06:33.56 | keyhack | jm_: It let me pick 4 during the install |
| 06:34.02 | dondelelcaro | jm_: it can be, actually.. |
| 06:34.07 | dondelelcaro | it's just kind of silly |
| 06:34.09 | opnsrc | Besides when installing Kanotix (now I have Debian) I physically had to pull out my disconnect my primary master so that it won't touch it during install. I did the same for Debian just in case. |
| 06:34.09 | keyhack | jm_: It's only a RAID1 of 50megs, just for the /boot |
| 06:34.17 | keyhack | then its RAID5 for my other 900GB |
| 06:34.22 | keyhack | because you cannot boot to RAID5 |
| 06:34.29 | rend | dondelelcaro: i know vim very well |
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| 06:34.40 | keyhack | so how do I get grub installed so I can go to friggin bed? |
| 06:34.41 | keyhack | lol |
| 06:34.42 | jm_ | keyhack: then install it to all four |
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| 06:34.47 | keyhack | jm_: How |
| 06:34.51 | jm_ | keyhack: man grub-install |
| 06:34.59 | rend | i will need to look into ion and openbox |
| 06:35.04 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: the easy way is to drop to a console and do the following for each drive: |
| 06:35.16 | keyhack | jm_: "/bin/sh: man: not found" |
| 06:35.31 | jollo | auto wlan0 |
| 06:35.34 | jm_ | keyhack: /msg dpkg installit |
| 06:35.38 | jollo | iface eth0 indet dhcp |
| 06:35.53 | keyhack | jm_: News flash, I'm at the install. |
| 06:36.20 | dondelelcaro | grub --no-floppy<<EOF\ndevice (hd0) /dev/hdNN\nroot (hd0,0)\nsetup (hd0)\n\n[repeat for other 3 drives]EOF |
| 06:36.21 | jm_ | keyhack: newsflash, grub-install --help |
| 06:36.37 | keyhack | grub-install, not found |
| 06:36.47 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: that's after you've got the grub files on /boot of course. |
| 06:36.48 | jm_ | chroot into it |
| 06:37.05 | dondelelcaro | jm_: grub-install sucks on raided boot devices, unfortunatly. |
| 06:37.07 | keyhack | dondelelcaro: how the heck am I supposed to do that |
| 06:37.17 | opnsrc | is dbus-1 necessary? |
| 06:37.27 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: it probably was done automatically for you. If not, do it manually with cp. |
| 06:37.35 | keyhack | the path /boot doesn't even exist |
| 06:37.38 | nevyn | which is newer dbus-1 or dbus? |
| 06:37.55 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: it won't be /boot, it'll be /target/boot or something like that |
| 06:38.03 | keyhack | oh ok |
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| 06:38.25 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: it should work, since it basically does that and a few more things |
| 06:38.28 | keyhack | dondelelcaro: Where do I cp the files from? |
| 06:38.36 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: the files you want to copy to /boot/grub will be in something like /target/lib/grub/i386-pc |
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| 06:39.01 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: you'll also need to set up a menu.lst, but presumably you'll know how to do that |
| 06:39.14 | jm_ | you can use update-grub to generate one |
| 06:39.28 | dondelelcaro | jm_: right, but the last time I checked it only did it for one device |
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| 06:39.34 | keyhack | the path /target/lib isn't there, and I can't seem to find anything grub under /target/etc |
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| 06:40.03 | dondelelcaro | keyhack: check /proc/mounts then to see where your real root has been mounted. |
| 06:40.29 | dondelelcaro | in any case, good luck. |
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| 06:40.50 | keyhack | dondelelcaro: I don't see where my "real root" has been mounted |
| 06:41.00 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: you mean copying of the files? |
| 06:41.19 | dondelelcaro | jm_: no, I mean installing an MBR |
| 06:41.35 | keyhack | I think /target is what should be my / |
| 06:41.53 | keyhack | I attempted to use LVM this time around, so, things are a little different |
| 06:42.37 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: it should install it on each device you tell it too, but it may indeed not work correctly |
| 06:42.40 | keyhack | Do you think its the LVM that is throwing grub off? |
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| 06:43.15 | keyhack | I've been going at this for hours, and it's pissing me off |
| 06:43.30 | jm_ | keyhack: RAID1 is more or less transparent, so it should work as long as you do what dondelelcaro said |
| 06:43.48 | keyhack | jm_: I have no /target/lib/grub to copy from |
| 06:44.04 | jm_ | keyhack: is target mounted? |
| 06:44.10 | keyhack | yeah |
| 06:44.51 | jm_ | what dirs do you see in it? |
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| 06:45.05 | keyhack | boot cdrom etc lost+found media storage |
| 06:45.09 | eqwewq | Hello someone alive |
| 06:45.16 | eqwewq | who can help me? |
| 06:46.05 | eqwewq | what can i do if i am trying to use the make-kpkg and it says that command doesnt exist?? |
| 06:46.46 | rvalles | I'm having a security problem |
| 06:46.48 | rvalles | see... |
| 06:46.52 | rvalles | setsuna:~# apt-key list |
| 06:47.00 | rvalles | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 06:47.02 | keyhack | jm_: I think I'm just going to give up for the night, there should be not reason why the Debian installer is throwing errors at the Grub level during the install, like you said, it would just be transparent. I'm thinking LVM is fucking things up, and I don't see why I should be using it either |
| 06:47.03 | rvalles | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 06:47.06 | rvalles | etc |
| 06:47.11 | rvalles | setsuna:~# aptitude update |
| 06:47.18 | rvalles | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F1D53D8C4F368D5D Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 06:47.24 | rvalles | any idea what's going on? |
| 06:47.25 | Paivakil | eqwewq: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 06:47.32 | Paivakil | rvalles: read /topic |
| 06:47.42 | rvalles | Paivakil: what, of the topic? |
| 06:47.49 | jm_ | keyhack: so you don't have lib in target or what? |
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| 06:47.51 | eqwewq | and that will solve the problem... give me a couple min |
| 06:47.55 | rvalles | Paivakil: if it's 2006 key... as you can see I've installed it already. |
| 06:47.59 | keyhack | jm_: That would be a negative, I said that to him before he left |
| 06:48.12 | cem_ | is debian a 64 bit os? |
| 06:48.18 | jm_ | keyhack: that's not going to work ;) |
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| 06:48.28 | keyhack | jm_: Well, why the hell isn't it there |
| 06:48.43 | stew | cem_: it has both 32 and 64 bit ports |
| 06:48.47 | jm_ | keyhack: beats me, I never used LVM - I also miss bin, sbin and usr |
| 06:49.12 | eqwewq | thanks a lot |
| 06:49.12 | Paivakil | rvalles: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 06:49.13 | jm_ | keyhack: what size is /target? |
| 06:49.14 | eqwewq | =) |
| 06:49.15 | Peggerr | is there are way you can have two devices connected to one serial port? |
| 06:49.16 | eqwewq | It works |
| 06:49.23 | keyhack | I also used the advanced installer per someones recommendation since LILO wouldnt' show during the regular one, let me fucking try this again one more time without using LVM |
| 06:49.54 | keyhack | jm_: 24.6meg used |
| 06:50.04 | keyhack | 64.2 mean |
| 06:50.09 | jm_ | keyhack: and free? |
| 06:50.22 | keyhack | 2.3G |
| 06:50.38 | jm_ | that's fucked ;) |
| 06:50.38 | keyhack | the /target is where my / is supposed to be |
| 06:50.44 | keyhack | so |
| 06:50.47 | keyhack | the installer keeps fucking up |
| 06:50.50 | keyhack | and i have no idea why |
| 06:50.55 | keyhack | im starting over again |
| 06:50.56 | keyhack | without LVM |
| 06:52.37 | jm_ | I also don't understand why there's only 2.3G free when your partitions are supposed to be 50M and 900G |
| 06:52.52 | jm_ | although that 900G is probably less because it's RAID5 |
| 06:55.10 | keyhack | jm_: I used LVM on the RAID5, and broke it up as: SWAP 1GB, / 2.5GB, /storage 895GB or whatever |
| 06:55.34 | keyhack | jm_: I just changed it to not be LVM, and the RAID5 be on partition, / at 900Gb (it won't let me use more than 1 partition on the RAID5) |
| 06:55.37 | jm_ | keyhack: ahh ok then it makes sense |
| 06:55.53 | keyhack | jm_: Yeah, well, only if it had worked. |
| 06:55.54 | keyhack | lol |
| 06:56.03 | jm_ | right |
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| 06:56.12 | keyhack | so I'm seeing if without LVM if grub will install |
| 06:56.24 | keyhack | I still don't see why the partitioner won't let me make more than 1 partition out of the RAID5 MD |
| 06:56.37 | Vooloo | what is the last numbers of "cat /proc/loadavg 2.04 2.04 2.04 1/230 8410" ? |
| 06:57.48 | jm_ | last pid |
| 06:58.08 | Vooloo | jm_: of? |
| 06:58.21 | jm_ | Vooloo: what do you mean of? |
| 06:59.15 | Vooloo | what last pid? |
| 06:59.26 | jm_ | do you know what PID is? |
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| 06:59.57 | Vooloo | not entirely sure |
| 07:00.03 | jm_ | process ID |
| 07:00.34 | keyhack | jm_: Without LVM it worked fine, sucks, RAID5 only allows me to have 1 partition (wanted to keep the OS one separate) |
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| 07:01.14 | jm_ | keyhack: another option would be to install it in swap first and the create RAID setup by hand and use debootstrap |
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| 07:01.54 | jm_ | the=then |
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| 07:03.00 | keyhack | jm_: Well if I only do swap during install, then I have no where to install / and the OS |
| 07:03.37 | jm_ | keyhack: no, you didn't understand - you install temporary installation in what will become swap partition later on |
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| 07:04.04 | pinniped | anyone here have experience building GCC under Debian? |
| 07:04.47 | keyhack | jm_: So just install 1GB, and leave the rest "unusable" space alone, and then partition it after reboot into the 3 parts by hand? |
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| 07:05.43 | jm_ | keyhack: well yeah then you boot into it and create RAID/LVM/whatever setup and install things into it using debootstrap - that's how it had to be done in older releases of Debian -- alternatively, some Live CD could be used (say grml) |
| 07:06.01 | stew | pinniped: if you have a specific question, go ahead and ask it |
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| 07:08.03 | malex | I have a text file prepared on MacOS, so it's EOL delimiters are 0x0D. How can I convert it to unix text EOL? |
| 07:08.14 | jm_ | malex: vim, recode, ... |
| 07:08.15 | pinniped | stew: I did gcc -v to retrieve config flags from installed compiler, then did a configure using the same flags. Then I did: |
| 07:08.19 | Eclipser | wasn't there some app to change default GTK fonts and sizes? |
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| 07:08.33 | ice_1963 | man i love kde 3.5 it run's good so far :0) |
| 07:08.41 | jm_ | Eclipser: GTK1? |
| 07:08.47 | Eclipser | 2 |
| 07:08.53 | pinniped | stew: make CFLAGS=make CFLAGS="-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="-fno-omit-frame-pointer -O2" bootstrap"-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer" CXXFLAGS="-fno-omit-frame-pointer -O2" bootstrap |
| 07:09.01 | pinniped | gaah.... sorry about the echos |
| 07:09.06 | Eclipser | someone still uses gtk1 nowadays? :) |
| 07:09.25 | jm_ | you can do it in the theme |
| 07:09.47 | malex | jm_: When I open that file in vim all I see is "^M^M" chars. What do I put into the s/???/\\n/g command? |
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| 07:10.06 | pinniped | stew: and I get this error at the link stage: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/../../../lib/libc.so when searching for -lc |
| 07:10.20 | Eclipser | jm_, I seem to remember some software which changed the font and size though... I just can't remember its name |
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| 07:10.38 | pinniped | stew: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc |
| 07:10.48 | jm_ | malex: :help fileformat |
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| 07:11.06 | pinniped | stew: any ideas why it thinks my libc is incompatible? |
| 07:11.10 | inetd | jm_: use mutt? |
| 07:11.16 | jm_ | Eclipser: never heard of it, unless you mean gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 07:11.24 | jm_ | inetd: yes, I use it sometimes |
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| 07:11.47 | kyncani | malex: tried the command dos2unix ? |
| 07:11.49 | inetd | jm_: why only sometimes? |
| 07:12.01 | jm_ | inetd: because I use another MUA for daily purposes |
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| 07:13.00 | ootput | Eclipser: you're after gtk-chtheme |
| 07:13.06 | ootput | Eclipser: which isn't in any repo |
| 07:13.16 | ootput | only the debs exist |
| 07:13.36 | jm_ | GTK2 should honour your DPI and set appropriate font size |
| 07:13.44 | jm_ | heck even GTK1 always did it for me |
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| 07:15.07 | ootput | i think it's being proposed |
| 07:15.16 | malex | kyncani: well, it's not dos, but mac format. |
| 07:15.22 | valmik | i have migrated from xfree86 to xorg as i convert my sarge to unstable , now i couldnt see fonts in xmms at all , same is happening with other applications tooo. I googled this problem so few ppl adviced to #define TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER |
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| 07:16.13 | malex | jm_: I looked at the fileformat. When I open that file and check ff it says ff=unix already. |
| 07:17.11 | jm_ | malex: how did you check it? |
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| 07:18.24 | malex | jm_: opened a file in vim and did ":set ff" |
| 07:18.49 | jm_ | malex: looks like vim in Sarge doesn't handle mac files as well as say dos |
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| 07:19.13 | malex | jm_: Is there a way to feed ex hex symbols for replacement commands? |
| 07:19.15 | inetd | do you guys find sometimes when u do apt-get some pkgs are missing (even after a apt-get update) ? |
| 07:19.25 | malex | jm_: I'm running sid actually. |
| 07:19.34 | jm_ | malex: do this - :set fileformat unix, write it, quit, load it again, set ff to unix |
| 07:19.44 | ootput | inetd: only on sid, and occasionally with other releases (due to an incomplete host) |
| 07:19.51 | jm_ | malex: sure, you can use tr for that |
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| 07:20.44 | inetd | ootput: hmm..i got it for installing gonme |
| 07:20.46 | inetd | gnome |
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| 07:21.10 | ootput | on sid, i guess? |
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| 07:34.15 | unlearn | ibm linux ad |
| 07:34.21 | HorseShoe | http://www.voltairenet.org/article133909.html#article133909 |
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| 07:40.23 | eqwewq | I just cant |
| 07:40.40 | eqwewq | Once I did all the kernel solution and compilation. I have the same error |
| 07:40.50 | eqwewq | Even when I changed all... |
| 07:40.53 | eqwewq | Damn! |
| 07:40.55 | sep | eqwewq, tried loading sk98lin ? |
| 07:41.05 | jm_ | or skge |
| 07:41.14 | eqwewq | Uhmmm |
| 07:41.23 | sep | eqwewq, but personaly i'v found that the easiest way is to ignore the shit and use something else :) |
| 07:41.28 | eqwewq | To be honest I dont know exactly how to do it. |
| 07:41.57 | eqwewq | The oint is that I my c it a laptop and I dont have another ethernet device... |
| 07:41.59 | eqwewq | :S |
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| 07:42.12 | sep | eqwewq, modprobe sk98lin|skge and dmesg to see if something was detected and ifconfig -a to see if you have an interface and configure it tru /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:42.30 | eqwewq | only like that |
| 07:42.33 | eqwewq | ok let me check |
| 07:42.53 | sep | eqwewq, when you know what module to use sk98lin or skge put that in /etc/modules to have it run on startup |
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| 07:43.30 | eqwewq | it returns me an error |
| 07:43.36 | eqwewq | No such device |
| 07:43.38 | eqwewq | :S |
| 07:44.05 | eqwewq | it says for init_module, insmod, insmod sk98lin |
| 07:44.06 | sep | eqwewq, for both modules ? |
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| 07:44.29 | sep | try skge |
| 07:44.36 | eqwewq | ok |
| 07:44.52 | eqwewq | cant locate module skge |
| 07:44.55 | eqwewq | :S |
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| 07:45.08 | sep | eqwewq, what kernel are you running ? |
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| 07:45.40 | sep | (uname -r) |
| 07:45.58 | eqwewq | 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 07:47.45 | sep | eqwewq, you probably want a more recent kernel |
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| 07:48.29 | bbls | hello |
| 07:48.37 | bbls | i've did a netinstall |
| 07:48.46 | eqwewq | I am working on it |
| 07:48.54 | bbls | and it installed just some sort of basic system |
| 07:49.00 | bbls | but i couldn't apt-get |
| 07:49.03 | sep | !tell bbls about enter |
| 07:49.08 | vin` | bbls: why not? |
| 07:49.10 | bbls | i've tried apt-get bitchx |
| 07:49.14 | bbls | or any other package |
| 07:49.21 | jm_ | that's not how you use apt-get - read the howto |
| 07:49.22 | bbls | and said that it didn't found them |
| 07:49.31 | vin` | bbls: try aptitude |
| 07:49.34 | eqwewq | I am trying to install the 2.6.15.1 |
| 07:49.42 | bbls | jm_ that's how i used it before |
| 07:49.46 | sep | bbls, apt-setup ; apt-get update |
| 07:49.51 | eqwewq | but once i reboot from the whole installation it returne me an error about mount |
| 07:49.56 | jm_ | bbls: no, you didn't - apt-get bitchx will return an error |
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| 07:50.20 | bbls | jm_ hmm, other times i had debian from cd and apt-get worked, so i suppose that i should apt-setup? |
| 07:50.33 | jm_ | bbls: no, apt-get install foo worked, apt-get foo didn't ... |
| 07:50.37 | bbls | err |
| 07:50.45 | bbls | i've tried apt-get install bitchx too |
| 07:50.48 | eqwewq | The error is kernel anic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 07:50.53 | bbls | and apt-get install mc too |
| 07:51.01 | ircdevil | bbls: try irssi instead |
| 07:51.03 | jm_ | right so do what sep told you |
| 07:51.03 | vin` | eqwewq: initrd? |
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| 07:51.19 | bbls | but shouldn't "apt-get install mc" work anyway? |
| 07:51.34 | jm_ | if sources.list is configured preoprly and update has been run |
| 07:51.38 | jm_ | properly |
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| 07:51.59 | bbls | jm_ where can i find how to configure sources.list and update? |
| 07:52.08 | jm_ | bbls: sep has told you 3 minutes ago |
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| 07:52.21 | ircdevil | bbls: there is some _very_ clear n simple installation documentation on debian.org - you of cause had a glimpse at that? |
| 07:52.42 | bbls | how could i if i had no way yo connect to the net? |
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| 07:52.54 | jm_ | although I think apt-setup runs update, so it may not be needed (won't hurt anyway) |
| 07:52.58 | ircdevil | bbls: tuché |
| 07:53.00 | inetd | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:53.01 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.01 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.01 | inetd | E: Broken packages |
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| 07:53.06 | coywolf | an file is lost, how can I get it again by apt-get etc? |
| 07:53.10 | jm_ | then you can use CD-ROM or apt-cache show apt-zip |
| 07:53.23 | bbls | ok, thx |
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| 07:53.31 | inetd | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 07:53.34 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.36 | inetd | E: Broken packages |
| 07:53.43 | coywolf | an file is lost, how can I get it again by apt-get etc? extract it? |
| 07:54.11 | sep | coywolf, you can try apt-get install --reinstall package, or in the very worst case purge and reinstall |
| 07:54.48 | coywolf | sep, and I don't want current files be over wirtten |
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| 07:55.56 | Rekiem | I will try with the 2.6.12 |
| 07:56.04 | Rekiem | Is it that good? |
| 07:56.06 | ircdevil | coywolf: use apt-file to locate the package containing the file. use apt-file --download-only <package>. extract package and locate file. |
| 07:56.07 | sep | coywolf, you know you'd get more spesific answers if you asked a more spesific question. eg you could say what file was missing. |
| 07:56.29 | ircdevil | coywolf: err. that was apt-get --download-only ... |
| 07:56.50 | Rekiem | Uhmmm 6.14 |
| 07:56.53 | Rekiem | :D |
| 07:57.02 | coywolf | sep, lxr.conf |
| 07:57.06 | coywolf | sep, is missing |
| 07:57.20 | coywolf | ircdevil, thanks devil |
| 07:57.22 | Rekiem | I will check if this may work I am already doing the kernel_image |
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| 07:57.31 | kreg | trying a first time NIS server |
| 07:57.51 | kreg | i've read /usr/share/doc/nis |
| 07:57.59 | coywolf | gemini:/tmp# apt-get --download-only lxr |
| 07:57.59 | coywolf | E: Invalid operation lxr |
| 07:58.02 | coywolf | ircdevil, ^ |
| 07:58.05 | kreg | looks like it's up and running, and i've checked my config. but how do i test it? |
| 07:58.30 | kreg | i've added user to the NIS server, but i cna't login as the user yet on another host. |
| 07:59.29 | sep | coywolf, you need apt-get --download-only install lxr, besides if you recently installed it it's allready in your apt archive so no need to download it again |
| 08:00.00 | jm_ | or simply aptitude download, much handier |
| 08:00.10 | coywolf | sep, i do apt-get source -d lxr |
| 08:00.12 | sep | coywolf, and since it's a conf file you never know it might be there are examples in /usr/share/doc |
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| 08:00.51 | sep | what is lxr ? since my apt-cache can't locate it ? |
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| 08:01.48 | jm_ | sep: kernel source indexer IIRC |
| 08:01.57 | jm_ | lxr - Linux Cross-Reference |
| 08:02.01 | jm_ | I see it just fine |
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| 08:03.28 | jm_ | reminds me, I could run cscope/ctags on kernel dir |
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| 08:04.48 | oskie | i installed unstable.. doesn't it look for libs in /usr/local/lib by default? |
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| 08:05.16 | jm_ | no |
| 08:05.22 | oskie | apparently it doesn't - adding /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf fixed the problem |
| 08:05.25 | fontp | how do you rm a file whose name starts with a hyphen ? |
| 08:05.34 | SlayerXP | fontp: rm -- -filename |
| 08:06.04 | Rekiem | sep still there? |
| 08:06.12 | fontp | thanks, slayer. You're my hero. It was driving me nuts. |
| 08:06.14 | sep | Rekiem, aye |
| 08:06.44 | Rekiem | Ok thanks, just want i to know you had been helping me alot. |
| 08:06.45 | Rekiem | :D |
| 08:07.05 | SlayerXP | fontp: the "--" works for most GNU utils, it means "there are no more options after this point, don't try to parse past here" |
| 08:07.54 | fireba11 | SlayerXP: wound't something like rm '-filename' work too ? |
| 08:08.11 | SlayerXP | fireba11: no idea. |
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| 08:08.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:08.53 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:10.09 | Rekiem | damn |
| 08:10.20 | Rekiem | it is exactly the same error with that kernel |
| 08:10.24 | Rekiem | The same error |
| 08:11.08 | Rekiem | The error is kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 08:11.34 | sep | Rekiem, wild guess. your initrd lacks support for your device or filesystem |
| 08:12.05 | Rekiem | how do I know that? |
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| 08:12.35 | oskie | is there a (G)UI for selecting and generating locales? e.g. dpkg-reconfigure ...? |
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| 08:13.21 | fireba11 | !tell oskie about locales |
| 08:13.24 | Rekiem | So what can I do about all this? |
| 08:13.26 | tarzeau | oskie: yes |
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| 08:14.21 | Rekiem | se please help me out. I am not too good with all this |
| 08:14.23 | Rekiem | :( |
| 08:14.24 | sep | Rekiem, do you have a kernel that works ? |
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| 08:14.54 | Rekiem | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 08:14.59 | Rekiem | That one works |
| 08:15.11 | Rekiem | But I cannot have internet... |
| 08:15.12 | Rekiem | :S |
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| 08:16.05 | oskie | thanks |
| 08:16.35 | Blicero | whats up with the last xorg update in debian unstable? i had a working xorg.conf before, then i upgrade xorg and all of a sudden my space key isnt working and xinerama isnt working |
| 08:16.43 | abrocadabro | how do you only display say the first 200 lines of a file? |
| 08:16.43 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:16.44 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:16.49 | tarzeau | abrocadabro: head -200 file |
| 08:16.55 | abrocadabro | thanks |
| 08:17.35 | Rekiem | Sep do you think there's nothing I can do? |
| 08:17.41 | sep | Rekiem, and you can't boot on 2.6 kernels ? is this sarge ? |
| 08:18.23 | Rekiem | Gezzz dont get mad about this, but how can i know that? |
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| 08:18.50 | dannyp | is it just me or is routing fucked up on some swath of the internet right now? |
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| 08:18.57 | dannyp | ah, looks like it just resolved |
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| 08:20.13 | vin` | Rekiem: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:20.25 | Rekiem | Ok thans |
| 08:20.44 | sep | Rekiem, usualy you just know what you are installing on your computer.. :) |
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| 08:21.00 | Rekiem | Well |
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| 08:21.56 | Rekiem | I chose Debian because one friend of mine jus gave me the DVD and jus installeds it. I was working with Ubuntu and I thought that may be almost the same. But right now I am very interested on know how to.. all this. |
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| 08:22.02 | sep | Rekiem, cat /etc/debian_version would tell if you run sarge or more recent. |
| 08:22.17 | Rekiem | Sorry if that bothers to you. |
| 08:22.20 | Kylixen | I accidentally clobbered my /dev/psaux by creating a symlink incorrectly. How can I make this point at my mouse again? |
| 08:22.55 | sep | Rekiem, not at all. then i would never be in this channel :) |
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| 08:23.07 | Rekiem | :( |
| 08:23.10 | Rekiem | Gezz |
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| 08:23.39 | Rekiem | That makes me fell kind of bad. But let me tell you, I really areciate your support |
| 08:23.42 | sep | Rekiem, just check out the cat /etc/debian_version. |
| 08:24.01 | Rekiem | it says 3.1 |
| 08:24.28 | Rekiem | it is sarge |
| 08:24.29 | sep | Rekiem, that's sarge. have you done something like aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 08:24.38 | sep | (or apt-get ) |
| 08:25.19 | Rekiem | Well the main problem with that is, that I dont have internet service on that computer, because the same problem my network card is not recognized so I dont have internet. |
| 08:25.28 | sep | Rekiem, dont feel bad. most new people in here barge in demanding support, and cries bloody murder when we want to know just a little bit of what they want help with :) |
| 08:25.30 | Kylixen | Anybody? |
| 08:25.45 | jm_ | Kylixen: are you using 2.6? |
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| 08:25.55 | Kylixen | jm_: That I am. |
| 08:26.04 | Rekiem | Thanks.... I guess :) You had been really nice! Ans you are good one at Debian |
| 08:26.07 | zethreth | I'm trying to configure a programs sources and am eperiencing problems. First it was not having the CC variable in my environment now it's telling me somemore problems. t/#debian-devel: __DL__(Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) at [12:15AM] |
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| 08:26.07 | zethreth | (bubulle) vorlon: #348874 is fixed in 3.0.21a-2 : registry.tdb is in /var/run/samba |
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| 08:26.08 | sep | Rekiem, the 2.6 kernel are also on the dvd i would guess so just try apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 08:26.10 | jm_ | Kylixen: then you can simply use /dev/input/mice instead |
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| 08:26.21 | Kylixen | jm_ thanks. |
| 08:26.23 | Rekiem | Ok let me try |
| 08:26.47 | sep | Rekiem, no i suck at debian. i probably ask as much as i answer in here, but i try as best as i can :P |
| 08:27.34 | Rekiem | great job so far, let me tell you |
| 08:27.35 | Rekiem | :) |
| 08:27.46 | fireba11 | sep: if everybody answers as much as he asks we should all come out with answers to our questions in the end :-) |
| 08:28.05 | sep | fireba11, hopefully :) |
| 08:28.10 | Rekiem | it is working on the installation with at-get |
| 08:28.18 | zethreth | w it's telling me somemore problems. http://pastebin.com/514297 It would be nice if someone could take a peak at it. I'm getting tired and need some new direction. |
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| 08:28.52 | Rekiem | it says "done" Im gonna reboot |
| 08:28.52 | zethreth | trying to configure some sources |
| 08:28.54 | pusling_ | zethreth: huh ? |
| 08:29.13 | zethreth | first it was the CC variable now it's..... |
| 08:29.23 | zethreth | on pastebin.com |
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| 08:29.59 | sep | zethreth, you probably need some of the libxft packages. im not good at compiling but i'd try installing libxft and libxft2 and perhaps the *-dev 's too |
| 08:30.08 | Rekiem | And I had kernel anic: attempeted to kill init! |
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| 08:30.13 | Rekiem | Geeeeeeeez!!! |
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| 08:30.43 | SperMite | is there a way wherre you list broken packages ? |
| 08:30.44 | sep | Rekiem, when you got the panic.-. what kernel was you trying to boot on then, and where did you get it ? |
| 08:30.45 | Rekiem | =...( |
| 08:30.58 | zethreth | I'll try it out |
| 08:31.09 | Rekiem | The one that I got from the DVD the 2.6.8-686 |
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| 08:32.01 | llama32 | what's an OO language that is more exotic than C++ or objective C, can inter-operate with C easily, and is compiled (or JITted) to fastish machine code? |
| 08:32.04 | Rekiem | I mean was the 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 08:33.49 | JordiGH | Is there a way to install OO.o on the AMD64 architecture? I know it's not made for that architecture, but can't I somehow apt-get a 32-bit version of OO.o ? |
| 08:33.49 | fireba11 | Rekiem: well that's the current one |
| 08:34.23 | sep | Rekiem, remoot to 2.4 type mount (we want to know what filesystem you have on / and from what device it's mounted) |
| 08:34.24 | Rekiem | So is there a way to go farther than this? |
| 08:34.33 | jm_ | JordiGH: yeah, but you'll need 32bit chroot |
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| 08:35.10 | Rekiem | says |
| 08:35.25 | JordiGH | jm_, where can I read more about doing that? |
| 08:35.38 | sep | Rekiem, i have never had hardware that worked in 2.4 but failed in 2.6 so we just have to look at your system to see what you are using, and perhas recreate the initrd for 2.6 adding whereever modules are missing |
| 08:36.03 | Rekiem | . /dev/hda5 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 08:36.15 | JordiGH | Here? https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 08:36.27 | Rekiem | proc on /proc (rw) |
| 08:36.59 | Rekiem | devts on /dev/pst tye devpst (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 08:37.03 | sep | ext2 ?? how did that happen ? is /boot on hda1 perhaps ? ? |
| 08:37.24 | Rekiem | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 08:37.30 | JordiGH | Ah, there's a channel for this. |
| 08:37.58 | Rekiem | usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 08:38.02 | jm_ | JordiGH: yes (Using an IA32 chroot to run 32bit applications), or the IRC channel |
| 08:38.03 | Rekiem | Excuse me? |
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| 08:38.18 | sep | Rekiem, we dont need to know all lines in there only the ones relating to harddrives :) |
| 08:38.24 | Rekiem | what should I do then? |
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| 08:38.27 | JordiGH | Thank you, jm_ :) |
| 08:38.29 | Rekiem | Ok |
| 08:38.39 | sep | Rekiem, is this a new box youv installed for the first time ? |
| 08:38.52 | Rekiem | I dont want you to get lost heling me, and all the rest of the info might be important. Sorry for flood |
| 08:39.00 | Rekiem | Yes it is |
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| 08:39.12 | Rekiem | Should I change the partition? |
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| 08:40.03 | sep | Rekiem, since there is nothing important on it i think i would have reinstalled from cd. make sure you type linux26 on the cdboot screen that makes it install a 2.6 kernel as default. also pick etx3 as filesystem and use the automatic partitioner if you can. |
| 08:40.40 | Rekiem | ok |
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| 08:40.50 | sep | Rekiem, alternativly you can get dirty and try to add needed modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 08:40.53 | Rekiem | su |
| 08:41.07 | tziku | hello |
| 08:41.18 | Rekiem | Ok then |
| 08:41.21 | sep | and dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8.... would recreate the inintrd woudnt it ??? |
| 08:41.23 | Rekiem | I will reinstall |
| 08:41.28 | tziku | i have some problem with apache: look --> http://86.104.64.32/problem.txt |
| 08:41.40 | sep | Rekiem, good luck |
| 08:41.49 | Rekiem | Thanks a lot |
| 08:41.54 | Rekiem | I will do it right now |
| 08:41.55 | Rekiem | :D |
| 08:42.38 | Rekiem | I mean here in Mexico it's 3:00 am but, what the hell is it now or never! :) |
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| 08:42.47 | infinity1 | whats with packages.debian.org? |
| 08:42.59 | infinity1 | is there another site where you can browse packages and link to bugs? |
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| 08:44.10 | sep | Rekiem, if you get problems with thatone too. i would have tried the 2.6.14 sarge installer but that means you must download and burn the image from |
| 08:44.12 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: what, like bugs.debian.org/packagename? |
| 08:44.15 | sep | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 08:44.15 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.14 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 08:44.37 | Rekiem | Uhmm that one is a dvd or a cd iso? |
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| 08:45.03 | abrocadabro | I have two files with no spaces in them at all, diff file1 file2 returns all identical lines, diff -b file1 file2 returns nothing, any ideas? |
| 08:45.06 | sep | Rekiem, cd probably but if that kernel gets your nick running you can install additional software directly from network afterwards |
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| 08:45.46 | Rekiem | Ok, we'll see |
| 08:45.48 | streuner | sep: did you get OO yesterday installed? |
| 08:45.51 | deadcat | cool. transset, xcompmgr is in experimental i guess. |
| 08:45.54 | tziku | can somebody help me with this please ? : http://86.104.64.32/problem.txt ???? i have that error when i'm tryingo to install apache. :( |
| 08:45.55 | deadcat | but not downloadable. |
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| 08:46.09 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 08:46.58 | streuner | sep: the thing is, if you download OO which has many depends you will get headache about preferences (apt)... |
| 08:47.05 | zethreth | sep: It worked, It was the xft-dev's that where needed. |
| 08:47.08 | sep | streuner, i never had problems getting OO installed. i was just wondering why it didnt pull in the dependencies automagicaly like i am used to |
| 08:47.12 | dondelelcaro | tziku: apt-get --reinstall install apache; it seems like you've deleted that directory or something. |
| 08:47.45 | sep | streuner, why i had to name them all on the apt-get line. |
| 08:47.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: do i just add another line to source for experimental? or just wget the .deb? |
| 08:47.49 | streuner | sep: it would be great if someone mention that in the instructions there |
| 08:47.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes. |
| 08:48.12 | deadcat | apt-get'ing (= |
| 08:48.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the first; no point in doing the second... it's automatically pinned so you shouldn't need to add anything |
| 08:48.13 | tziku | dondelelcaro erraor again... ttp://86.104.64.32/problem1.txt |
| 08:48.15 | deadcat | hope it dont break |
| 08:48.21 | streuner | sep: if you don't use preferences it would download everything from backport.org then... |
| 08:48.32 | streuner | backports.org |
| 08:48.44 | sep | streuner, exactly and we dont want that. but the instructions say that it should get the dependencies automaticaly... so i was puzzeled |
| 08:48.49 | dondelelcaro | tziku: apt-get --reinstall install apache-common; |
| 08:49.00 | streuner | sep: a known problem |
| 08:49.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: apt-get install -t experimental gtk2-engines-clearlooks sound ok? |
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| 08:49.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I'd actually use aptitude to do that; it's generally easier |
| 08:49.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: doh. no aptitude here )= |
| 08:49.38 | tziku | yes :)) thx is working |
| 08:49.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: since you may need to resolve conflicts and/or pick out versions of dependencies |
| 08:49.51 | Rekiem | It is installing the base system, that's the kernel? |
| 08:50.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 08:50.11 | Rekiem | Because it never asked me about wich kernel version should I take.... |
| 08:50.32 | vin` | did you start the installer with linux26? |
| 08:50.55 | Rekiem | I start booting |
| 08:51.01 | Rekiem | With the dvd |
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| 08:51.27 | devsforev | Quick question... how do I make ntpd run on boot? |
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| 08:52.10 | fireba11 | devsforev: it will run if you installed it with apt-get |
| 08:52.21 | devsforev | fireba11: thank you! |
| 08:52.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: holly crap. i have translucent (= |
| 08:52.29 | Rekiem | how to know wich kernel is gonna install? |
| 08:52.29 | deadcat | and its stable (= |
| 08:52.33 | deadcat | so far hahahahha |
| 08:52.57 | fireba11 | devsforev: just do a ntpdate pool.ntp.org once to make sure the time difference isn't too big so ntpd won't do anything |
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| 08:53.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: well. moving a xterm is ok. but moving firefox brings up the CPU (= |
| 08:53.47 | Rekiem | Ohhh I saw it |
| 08:54.08 | vin` | Rekiem: if you want to directly start with a 2.6 kernel, start the installer with linux26 instead of just hitting enter. |
| 08:54.11 | Rekiem | IT sais insataling the kernel kernel-image-2.4.6-686 |
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| 08:54.13 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh. I've never bothered with that crap, but it's nice that it works |
| 08:54.22 | Rekiem | Damn!!!! |
| 08:54.29 | Rekiem | Ok I will do it again |
| 08:54.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: true. i might just play with it for a while thought. just some screenshots atleast (= |
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| 08:55.36 | tziku | !tell tziku about vsftpd |
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| 08:56.04 | Rekiem | Done |
| 08:56.21 | Rekiem | It's going to start over again |
| 08:56.25 | Rekiem | Jeeeezzzzz |
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| 08:57.10 | liable | deadcat: sure. you're an xslut :P |
| 08:57.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i bet it works fine if my bios is better supported for nvidia. |
| 08:57.24 | deadcat | liable: heheh. let me get a SS up first |
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| 08:59.56 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060120_7789.png still warm |
| 09:00.29 | deadcat | will need to get rid of the border for the calendar and conky though |
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| 09:00.41 | Peggerr | i just installed debian on my laptop and now when ever I try to start firefox i just get connection to ":0:0" refused by server |
| 09:00.46 | Peggerr | what is going wrong |
| 09:01.01 | jm_ | you need to start it in X |
| 09:01.24 | deadcat | root-tail needs fixing too it seems. wont refresh, just overwrites on the area |
| 09:01.39 | deadcat | jm_: me? |
| 09:01.41 | liable | deadcat: you install experimental packages for that? |
| 09:01.41 | vin` | deadcat: is that with xinerama? |
| 09:01.46 | deadcat | liable: ya |
| 09:01.50 | deadcat | vin`: ya |
| 09:01.55 | Peggerr | jm_, i im inside fulux box right now |
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| 09:02.00 | jm_ | deadcat: no, Peggerr - as for rt, it is "transparent" for me even without that |
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| 09:02.11 | jm_ | Peggerr: running ff as root? |
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| 09:03.08 | Peggerr | jm_, i am not sure how can i check, it just starts up when i turn my machien on |
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| 09:04.02 | Peggerr | jm_, it is interestig ethereal will start up under non root but not under root |
| 09:05.47 | Peggerr | jm_, any ideas? |
| 09:06.05 | liable | sux? |
| 09:06.33 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: btw ethereal do have some remote exploits, so watch out |
| 09:06.59 | Peggerr | raf256[laptop], ok i will not leave it on constently |
| 09:07.19 | Peggerr | but does anyone have any idea why firefox adn a few other x apps are not starting up |
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| 09:08.13 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: dunno, look in dmesg and other logs |
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| 09:10.20 | Peggerr | raf256[laptop], all the error messages that I get are Xlib : connection refused, Xlib: No protocol specified, cannot open display |
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| 09:10.44 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: how do you "run as root"? |
| 09:10.56 | raf256[laptop] | try starting X as regular user, then go to xterminal, do su, then start the appl |
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| 09:11.42 | Peggerr | raf256[laptop], by using su |
| 09:11.51 | Peggerr | but firefox does not want to run at all |
| 09:11.59 | raf256[laptop] | well it do work for me.. I dunno |
| 09:12.16 | raf256[laptop] | anyway you shouldnt really be using X apps as root |
| 09:12.19 | Rekiem | If I try to install the 2.6 kernel it give me a message saying that I dont have HD's |
| 09:12.30 | raf256[laptop] | I run ethereal as user, it asks me for root password |
| 09:12.40 | raf256[laptop] | Rekiem: exacly message? |
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| 09:12.42 | liable | Peggerr: why do you su, then try and start stuff? |
| 09:13.02 | liable | Peggerr: use gksu/kdesu/sux if you must run x apps as root |
| 09:13.23 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: also ethereal automaticly asks for root passwd and SUID's self, at least here |
| 09:13.23 | liable | Peggerr: and you certainly dont want to run firefox as root. |
| 09:13.30 | Rekiem | says that "there was no hd detected, make sure that you have hd luged to the comuter" |
| 09:13.36 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: running as root is evil |
| 09:13.50 | raf256[laptop] | root is only for administrative tasks and some deamons |
| 09:14.06 | raf256[laptop] | Rekiem: wired |
| 09:14.06 | netman1 | [OT] For a native English speaker: do you talk about a "live filesystem" or a "life filesystem" eg. when it's mounted? |
| 09:14.17 | liable | live |
| 09:14.18 | Rekiem | I know |
| 09:14.20 | raf256[laptop] | Rekiem: you have /boot mounted? perhaps file in a bug report |
| 09:14.24 | Peggerr | root is becides the point it will not run as a regular user |
| 09:14.26 | netman1 | liable: thanks. |
| 09:14.31 | liable | np |
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| 09:14.44 | Rekiem | No I just formated the partition and I am booting from the CD |
| 09:14.55 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: then gksu ethereal |
| 09:15.04 | raf256[laptop] | Rekiem: no idea |
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| 09:15.44 | Rekiem | Right now I'm installing ubuntu adn I will install debian from there. |
| 09:15.45 | Rekiem | :D |
| 09:15.49 | Peggerr | raf256[laptop], i just want firefox to work |
| 09:16.02 | liable | Peggerr: then dont start it as root. |
| 09:16.04 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: wtf?? fire fox dont need root O_o |
| 09:16.17 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: just start firefox and use it, no need for root |
| 09:16.20 | Rekiem | :) |
| 09:16.27 | Peggerr | i know it does not need root, i am not trying to start it as root |
| 09:16.35 | Peggerr | but it is not starting up |
| 09:16.38 | raf256[laptop] | !ubuntusmite Rekiem |
| 09:16.40 | Peggerr | that is the problem |
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| 09:17.00 | netman1 | liable: (Elaborating: is it the same as talking about a live -radio/tv- broadcast?) |
| 09:17.04 | Rekiem | Jajajaja |
| 09:17.07 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: root have nothing to do with it |
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| 09:17.19 | Rekiem | You dont like ubuntu? |
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| 09:17.38 | raf256[laptop] | Peggerr: just start firefox -p if it dont work, reinstall, if doesnt help file in a bug report |
| 09:17.41 | raf256[laptop] | Rekiem: I like ubuntu |
| 09:18.08 | liable | netman1: not really, when talking about a filesystem with linux, its generally, a 'mounted' filesystem (ie one you can use) |
| 09:18.32 | Rekiem | sep still's here? |
| 09:18.45 | sep | aye |
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| 09:19.11 | Rekiem | Hey did you read me, about the roblem when I try to install the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 09:20.05 | Rekiem | What could be wrong |
| 09:20.07 | Rekiem | :S |
| 09:20.14 | vin` | sata? |
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| 09:20.54 | Woody^working | As soon as I use a TAB in a ssh or scp call I get an error-message: sed: -e Regex #1, Charcter 20: unterminated `s' command |
| 09:21.03 | liable | Peggerr: so 'firefox' in a terminal doesnt start firefox? |
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| 09:21.37 | asg | Woody^working: sounds like a broken bash_completion config |
| 09:22.02 | vin` | remember seeing a bug/fix against some package. |
| 09:22.03 | metaperl | how do I setup my external USB HD so that it is automounted by usbmount exec instead of noexec |
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| 09:22.15 | Woody^working | asg: I didn't think about that before. Thanks, I will take a closer look. |
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| 09:22.31 | liable | metaperl: the conf for usbmount is fairly straight forward. |
| 09:22.55 | raf256 | how to make wheel group to take effect? |
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| 09:23.11 | raf256 | so that actually user must be in that group to be able to "su" or "sudo" to root? |
| 09:23.38 | metaperl | liable: man usbmount returns nothing |
| 09:23.49 | jm_ | raf256[laptop]: read PAM docs |
| 09:23.51 | liable | metaperl: read the .conf for it. |
| 09:24.03 | metaperl | liable: where is it? |
| 09:24.12 | liable | metaperl: /etc |
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| 09:24.21 | metaperl | liable: thanks |
| 09:24.30 | liable | np |
| 09:24.49 | raf256[laptop] | liable: could you tell me from memory? which file to edit, which man page? |
| 09:24.53 | liable | metaperl: or try /us/share/doc |
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| 09:25.18 | liable | raf256[laptop]: i think you mean jm_ |
| 09:25.26 | raf256[laptop] | yes |
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| 09:28.45 | strider | On sid, the Gnome open-with dialog is empty. Does anyone else experience this? |
| 09:29.43 | ladyisabel77 | is there a way to seem to a applicaton that there's internet explorer? |
| 09:30.03 | jm_ | you can trivially fake user-agent |
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| 09:30.11 | jm_ | but it doesn't mean everything will work |
| 09:30.58 | ladyisabel77 | i want run adobe 6 with wine but it require me internet explorer? what can i do? |
| 09:31.18 | liable | adobe6 what? |
| 09:31.26 | shay | ladyisabel77, winetools |
| 09:31.33 | ladyisabel77 | adobe acrobat 6 |
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| 09:32.13 | shay | ladyisabel77, http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ |
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| 09:32.13 | shay | ladyisabel77, why don't you run xpdf instead? |
| 09:32.20 | liable | theres acroread available from marillat if you want. |
| 09:32.34 | ladyisabel77 | i want see if linux can inglobe microsoft... |
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| 09:32.37 | ladyisabel77 | not reader... |
| 09:32.44 | shay | ... |
| 09:33.19 | ladyisabel77 | excuse for my bad english... |
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| 09:34.33 | fireba11 | ladyisabel77: maybe you should join the debian channel in your language |
| 09:34.58 | ladyisabel77 | i did... there's no none |
| 09:35.00 | ladyisabel77 | one |
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| 09:35.14 | raf256[laptop] | hoo italian lady in need of help? |
| 09:35.24 | raf256[laptop] | nerds to the rescue \o/ omg b00bies |
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| 09:35.46 | shay | (.)(.) |
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| 09:35.49 | dos000 | anyone can help with minicom ? it always shows offline ... so i have no way of seing the stuff coming from the serially connected unit. |
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| 09:35.50 | raf256[laptop] | !it |
| 09:35.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 09:36.06 | raf256[laptop] | there are 19 person |
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| 09:36.40 | ladyisabel77 | no one that aswerd me |
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| 09:36.45 | raf256[laptop] | !pl |
| 09:36.45 | dpkg | [pl] sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 09:36.52 | raf256[laptop] | ladyisabel77: what is the quesion |
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| 09:37.03 | Mindship-03 | Has the newest (Etch) Floppy installer got rescue abilities again? (like Woody's had) |
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| 09:37.12 | ladyisabel77 | all is good now |
| 09:37.30 | raf256[laptop] | !usa |
| 09:37.30 | dpkg | it has been said that usa is a degraded toilet roll that has been laying on the piss soking toilet matt for 10years, or a continent with a large amount of crack addicts, or wishes to be the center of the world, or really just where everyone else wishes they were. a shitty country that wishes to destroy software market using patents |
| 09:37.34 | liable | is there an etch floppy installer? |
| 09:37.43 | raf256[laptop] | lolvomg |
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| 09:38.01 | tarzeau | liable: yes |
| 09:38.06 | streuner | liable: etch installers ship those floppy images... |
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| 09:38.12 | tarzeau | liable: http://www.de.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/2006-01-20/ |
| 09:38.22 | streuner | liable: just get them and use it |
| 09:38.25 | liable | the floppy has 2.6 kernel? |
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| 09:38.41 | fantomas | Hi. Where can I ask question about image manipulations with ImageMagick's suite? |
| 09:38.43 | streuner | hm, no idea which kernel it uses |
| 09:38.43 | tarzeau | i can't believe floppy still exists |
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| 09:38.48 | tarzeau | fantomas: here |
| 09:38.54 | liable | streuner: i dont want it, it was in response to Mindship-03 's question. |
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| 09:39.47 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying to run mkinitrd to get an initrd image but i get this error: "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hda1 is not a block device" which is rather strange as i don't have any hd (all sd) |
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| 09:40.19 | strider | Can anyone tell me why the etch netinstall does not come with 'make' |
| 09:40.20 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: so obviously initrd is pointing at the wrong device |
| 09:40.29 | dondelelcaro | strider: you need to install it. |
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| 09:40.38 | dondelelcaro | !b-e strider |
| 09:40.38 | dpkg | strider: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 09:40.41 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 and where is that set? |
| 09:40.51 | streuner | liable: wget d-i etch and 'strings | grep kernel (or whatever), got no response of #debian-boot about |
| 09:41.12 | liable | streuner: hrm, doesnt matter, just idle interest :) |
| 09:41.15 | Mindship-03 | But, do they have rescue funvtionality? |
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| 09:41.21 | streuner | liable: 2.4 |
| 09:41.32 | liable | ah. |
| 09:41.32 | strider | dondelelcaro: yes, but i need wireless working for it. To do that i need make |
| 09:41.38 | fireba11 | Mindship-03: why don't you just try ? |
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| 09:41.55 | Mindship-03 | fireba11: easier to ask |
| 09:41.55 | dondelelcaro | strider: so load the appropriate module; the netinst disks have very little on them. |
| 09:42.19 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 where does mkinitrd gets this hda1 idea? |
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| 09:42.23 | fantomas | How to resize images with ImageMagick's convert so that if their width and height more then specified width and height? For example suppose we have img1:100x100 and img2:200x200 and limits 150x150, then img1 must not be resize while img2 sould be reduced to 150x150. |
| 09:42.25 | dondelelcaro | (since if you need make, you also need a compiler, a set of includes, and some other things) |
| 09:42.32 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: don't know .. |
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| 09:42.57 | vin` | Mindship-03: "The installer supports a rescue mode for recovering broken systems. Boot with "rescue"." not sure, if the floppy includes it too. |
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| 09:43.13 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 ah my mtab actually has some hda also which is quite weird |
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| 09:43.15 | strider | dondelelcaro: the best part is that it contains a base install with base compilers. |
| 09:43.27 | Rekiem | How can I install Debian from inside Ubuntu? |
| 09:43.32 | yacc | Just wondering, how can I remove this "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 09:43.33 | yacc | " warning correctly? |
| 09:43.39 | CleeK | Rekiem : debootstrap ? |
| 09:43.40 | Mindship-03 | vin`: thanks... Woody's floppies worked that way. The initial Sarge one's didn't... |
| 09:43.41 | Rekiem | Or it is necessary for me to restart and boot from the CD |
| 09:43.42 | strider | just had to get make ,bison and the gcc package. not more than 6 mb or so |
| 09:43.50 | Rekiem | Is that a command? |
| 09:43.50 | fireba11 | Rekiem: clean install is way easier |
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| 09:43.54 | CleeK | yep |
| 09:43.55 | raf256[laptop] | !topicsmite yacc |
| 09:43.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon yacc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:44.03 | valdyn | yacc: where are those packages from? |
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| 09:44.18 | Peggerr | what is a good wi-fi gui profile tool? |
| 09:44.23 | Rekiem | So fireba11 you suggest me to do it booting from the cd... |
| 09:44.28 | vin` | Mindship-03: yes, sarge didn't have it, but alt-F2 usually did the job. |
| 09:44.41 | fireba11 | Rekiem: yes. there are other ways of course, but that is by far the easiest |
| 09:44.41 | dondelelcaro | strider: no, it doesn't. It just contains base; base doesn't contain a compiler. |
| 09:44.54 | Rekiem | Ok that will be tomorrow morning. |
| 09:44.55 | liable | Peggerr: profile tool? |
| 09:45.04 | Rekiem | Have a great rest of the day |
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| 09:45.06 | Rekiem | Ciao! |
| 09:45.07 | Knight_Lord | fireba11 i just fixed with a rather unkosher ln -s sda1 hda1 |
| 09:45.11 | Mindship-03 | vin`: ah, right... well, it's less powerfull but okay |
| 09:45.16 | yacc | valdyn: Mostly Debian, thx for the topic reminder ;) |
| 09:45.24 | Rek[a]em | Thanks 4 everything |
| 09:45.25 | Rek[a]em | :D |
| 09:45.28 | liable | Peggerr: kismet (is probably what you think you want) |
| 09:45.31 | fireba11 | Knight_Lord: hum ? no how did that get in there *wondering* |
| 09:45.32 | valdyn | yacc: debian packages wont result in that warning |
| 09:45.34 | yacc | ftp.nerim.net is missing still a public key :( |
| 09:45.37 | raf256[laptop] | Knight_Lord: omg! that is more evil then bush and darth vader combined |
| 09:45.40 | yacc | valdyn: Yes they do. |
| 09:45.41 | vin` | Mindship-03: I haven't seen the woody rescue mode, so *shrug* |
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| 09:45.45 | SaLoMoN_ | hi |
| 09:45.46 | Peggerr | liable, ya to switch between acessn points and to enter wep keys |
| 09:45.47 | yacc | valdyn: If one misses the key, ... |
| 09:46.03 | raf256[laptop] | !bushsmite Knight_Lord |
| 09:46.05 | SaLoMoN_ | i've installed 2 more network cards |
| 09:46.09 | valdyn | yacc: then the error is different, and it would be an error, not a warning |
| 09:46.10 | Mindship-03 | vin`: it was nice (like the one of the CD). But thanks! I got to go to school now! |
| 09:46.12 | liable | Peggerr: oh, then that stuff comes with the likes of gnome and kde.. |
| 09:46.13 | SaLoMoN_ | they've been detected and installed |
| 09:46.27 | Peggerr | liable, but i am using fluxbox |
| 09:46.28 | SaLoMoN_ | but i dont know how to configure |
| 09:46.32 | dondelelcaro | strider: if you need stuff like that, you're probably going to need the entire first cd. |
| 09:46.34 | Knight_Lord | raf256[laptop] i agree :-) |
| 09:46.40 | yacc | valdyn: It's this message, some length text in German, and a question where I have to type Yes or No. |
| 09:46.43 | SaLoMoN_ | they're not in ifconfig |
| 09:47.01 | Knight_Lord | raf256[laptop] lets see if it boots |
| 09:47.07 | sentinel | Hi, noone's answering in #apache so I thought i'd ask here in case someone knew. Is it possible to make the Apache2 UserDir module not use the default users home directory (such as /home/users/blag) for a virtual hostname, but instead to use a separate directory (such as /home/virtual/somedomain/blag)? |
| 09:47.13 | fantomas | tarzeau: I did :) |
| 09:47.14 | strider | dondelelcaro: well, i installed it myself, it's hardly 10 MB or so for gcc, make etc. I feel it can be easily included |
| 09:47.19 | liable | Peggerr: then you get to use vim and /etc/network/interfaces or wpasupplicant or waproamd or similar |
| 09:47.36 | fireba11 | sentinel: think so |
| 09:48.04 | sentinel | fireball: any idea how? |
| 09:48.16 | liable | Peggerr: may i suggest you use a more newb friendly wm/desktop, untill you get a bit comfortable with how linux/debian works.. |
| 09:48.20 | strider | dondelelcaro: otherwise why include the kenel headers in the first place |
| 09:48.25 | fireba11 | sentinel: no, sorry .. |
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| 09:49.16 | Peggerr | liable, I am not a nube i can configure my web key and ssid just fine I would just rather use a gui for speed |
| 09:49.23 | dondelelcaro | strider: those are included so you can build 3rd party modules on a different machine. |
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| 09:49.51 | dondelelcaro | strider: or alternatively, so you can build 3rd party modules if you actually have the complete 1st cd. |
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| 09:50.01 | tziku | !tell tziku about mysql |
| 09:50.24 | bkankur | Hello friends i have installed 3.1r1 and struggling in finding the linux source code |
| 09:50.28 | bkankur | can any one help me pls |
| 09:50.35 | bkankur | where i can find it |
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| 09:50.46 | Guerin | bkankur: aptitude install kernel-source-version |
| 09:50.46 | dondelelcaro | bkankur: you mean the kernel source? |
| 09:51.05 | liable | Peggerr: then look at wpasup, you can have as many networks with different keys as you want. |
| 09:51.21 | strider | dondelelcaro: yes, but why include it on the netinstall cd if you're not going to include tools to add modules |
| 09:51.45 | dondelelcaro | strider: I just gave you the answer |
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| 09:52.09 | dondelelcaro | strider: you stick the netinst cd into a machine that has a compiler, and use the headers on the netinst cd to build them. |
| 09:52.16 | bkankur | dondelelcaron : yes kernel source |
| 09:52.35 | dondelelcaro | strider: the headers are necessarily specific to the cd, and may not always be distributed by debian in the future; compilers will be. |
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| 09:53.22 | oWo2002 | Hi! I compiled qmail on my sarge box and i'd like to know if there's a way to force mail-transport-agent virtual package without installing exim or other .deb providing it |
| 09:53.28 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro: not that obvious but makes sense :-) |
| 09:53.41 | valdyn | oWo2002: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 09:53.42 | bkankur | Guerin : When i do "uname -r" its shows me 2.4.27-2-386. so to use aptitude command i need to write "aptitude install kernel-source-2.4.27-2-386" right |
| 09:53.43 | tziku | !tell tziku about iptraf |
| 09:53.46 | jm_ | oWo2002: equivs, but you'll want it installed anyway |
| 09:53.55 | dondelelcaro | oWo2002: or better, use qmail-src to build the package. |
| 09:54.09 | jm_ | ohh qmail, yeah use the package, it will work just fine |
| 09:54.15 | dondelelcaro | (or even better, don't use crappy djb-ware) |
| 09:54.18 | tziku | how can i install iptraf with apt-get install ? |
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| 09:54.27 | tziku | what is the last variable |
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| 09:54.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell tziku -about search |
| 09:54.41 | setcode | hello |
| 09:54.50 | vin` | bkankur: aptitude search kernel-source |
| 09:54.50 | fantomas | How to resize an image with ImageMagick's convert if its size greater then specified width and height? For example suppose we have img1:100x100 and img2:200x200 and limits 150x150, then img1 must not be resize while img2 sould be reduced to 150x150. |
| 09:54.50 | dondelelcaro | tziku: the package you're looking for is iptraf |
| 09:54.52 | Guerin | bkankur: aptitude search kernel-source |
| 09:55.01 | Guerin | !wine vin` |
| 09:55.03 | strider | dondelelcaro: ahh ok then. Thanks for explaining :) I didn't want to download the whole cd unnecessarily as I was going to upgrade to sid. Anyway i resolved the issue quite easily. A bit inconvenient though ( for about 8-9 mb worth of packages) |
| 09:55.14 | oWo2002 | thx |
| 09:55.18 | vin` | Guerin: cheers. ;) |
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| 09:56.34 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: use -resize 150; see the imagemagick documentation: file:///usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/command-line-options.html#resize |
| 09:57.04 | jm_ | fantomas: convert -geometry '1234x567' (use ! afte rthe numbers to not preserve aspect ratio) |
| 09:57.13 | jm_ | it's all in docs |
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| 09:57.23 | dondelelcaro | s/150/150 '<'/ |
| 09:57.28 | tarzeau | and you need to quote ! in most shells |
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| 09:57.33 | tarzeau | with ' or \ |
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| 09:58.15 | jm_ | indeed |
| 09:58.26 | dondelelcaro | jm_: that just changes the size of the output window; you need to use one of the resize, scale, or resample commands to actually change the image itiself |
| 09:58.33 | bkankur | many thanks to Vin and Guerin |
| 09:58.33 | dondelelcaro | s/tis/ts/ |
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| 09:59.28 | dondelelcaro | and yes, the new imagemagick manpages suck horribly. |
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| 10:00.12 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: WFM |
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| 10:00.53 | omry | hi. I am trying to upgrade to stock kernel 2.6.15. I get this : You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.15-1-k7) on a machine currently running kernel version 2.6.7-1-386. I have been unable to find a suitable tool for generating initrd images... I have yaird installed. any suggestions? |
| 10:01.06 | streuner | omry: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 10:01.31 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot! I didn't know about such abilities of IM. Man is too compact, despite right now I do see about < and >s :) |
| 10:01.54 | shay | dondelelcaro, right, what happened to them? |
| 10:01.55 | omry | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.5-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 10:01.55 | omry | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.11 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 323703 |
| 10:02.13 | dpkg | #323703:M[imagemagick] New imagemagick manpages are basically completely useless; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:18:04 UTC |
| 10:02.17 | dondelelcaro | shay: ^^ that happened. |
| 10:02.47 | shay | sucks. |
| 10:02.49 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: and this syntax works for me: -resize \<150 |
| 10:03.07 | jm_ | perhaps -resize creates better pic, can't determine it quickly |
| 10:03.44 | dondelelcaro | jm_: hrm... so it does; well, YA case of the documentation being kind of wrong. |
| 10:03.44 | Guerin | imagemagick maanpages have always been useless |
| 10:03.59 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: nah, they actually explained some of the options, and the ImageMagick manpage had all of them |
| 10:04.00 | shay | Guerin, I remember convert(1) man page being useful some years ago |
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| 10:04.14 | Guerin | huh |
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| 10:04.16 | Guerin | ok |
| 10:04.24 | streuner | omry: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:04.32 | Guerin | I remember having to work things out by trial and error, using foo -h |
| 10:04.54 | SaLoMoN__ | djdj |
| 10:05.06 | shay | sure, salomon |
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| 10:05.27 | streuner | omry: and show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 10:05.30 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it is true that imagemagick's programs are insanely complex and the command line options aren't described as well as they should be... but at least you could get a bead on where to start with the experimentation with them |
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| 10:05.49 | omry | streuner, I am using apt-proxy. the sources list points there. |
| 10:06.23 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 10:06.34 | Guerin | imagemagick is a wonderful thing with perl cgi |
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| 10:07.31 | shay | imagemagick's programs aren't that complex, there are just too much options <g> |
| 10:07.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I actually find that Image::Imlib2 is better/faster for most trivial things |
| 10:08.04 | omry | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1590 |
| 10:08.34 | dondelelcaro | of course, I'm biased there too |
| 10:08.37 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, I read that someplace also. Knowing imagemagick already does help somewhat. |
| 10:08.39 | dondelelcaro | !maint libimage-imilb2-perl |
| 10:08.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:08.59 | dondelelcaro | !maint libimage-imlib2-perl |
| 10:08.59 | omry | streuner, my system is mixed. but suppoed to be pinned to testing. got this in apt.conf : |
| 10:08.59 | omry | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 10:09.02 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: trivial == resizing, etc. |
| 10:09.03 | dpkg | libimage-imlib2-perl: Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> |
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| 10:09.09 | jm_ | I know I missed something in perl's interface so I had to resort to calling convert and then passing it to display on stdin |
| 10:09.15 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: right |
| 10:09.20 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: the sorts of things you'd do on a gallery. |
| 10:09.21 | Guerin | right. |
| 10:09.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it's one of the reasons why apache::gallery is so fast |
| 10:09.52 | Guerin | i'm using apache::gallery at the moment, but mostly because I cba writing my own html templates |
| 10:10.00 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, it's the shit. |
| 10:10.09 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you can write your own html templates for that too if you want... |
| 10:10.11 | vin` | omry: #336418 |
| 10:10.25 | dondelelcaro | and it has a few dozen really useful options to customize itself |
| 10:10.32 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right, I just hacked on the ones provided, mostly just changing div classes to fit my own css |
| 10:10.46 | omry | vin` ? |
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| 10:10.56 | vin` | !dbugs 336418 |
| 10:10.59 | dpkg | DONE:#336418:N[kernel-package] kernel-package: no suitable ramdisk generation tool w/ 2.6.14; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:33:03 UTC |
| 10:11.01 | Guerin | 0-chromey in about 15 minutes |
| 10:11.13 | streuner | omry: you have a testing/etch libc6 installed and running prolly unstable |
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| 10:11.35 | omry | vin`, gotcha. |
| 10:11.39 | streuner | omry: did you upgrade some packages before you made those changes to sources.list? |
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| 10:12.13 | omry | streuner, yes. these changes are pretty old. you got my comment about APT::Default-Release "testing" ? |
| 10:12.58 | streuner | omry: hm, that's wired then, because it should usually upgrade libc6 first |
| 10:13.09 | Falle | Anyone know how to install an x64 debian on a vserver? the debootstrap command dont supply amd64. |
| 10:13.15 | omry | streuner, to my knowledge I am running etch, not sid. but something may have gone bad. |
| 10:13.28 | crypt_ex | Is it possible to change the date a file has been modified on a file, only asking due to debugging a script which goes by this? |
| 10:13.55 | omry | crypt_ex, maybe touch. |
| 10:13.56 | Guerin | Falle: on a UML or Xen server? |
| 10:13.56 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: man touch |
| 10:13.57 | streuner | omry: throw those unstable lines out |
| 10:14.10 | crypt_ex | will look. |
| 10:14.17 | crypt_ex | ta |
| 10:14.43 | omry | streuner, hmm, you think the APT::Default-Release "testing" does not work properly? |
| 10:14.58 | omry | streuner, I got at least one package from unstable there. |
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| 10:15.25 | Guerin | omry: could have been brought in as a depend |
| 10:15.26 | streuner | omry: if you haven't a certain reason to use 2.6.15 kernel just use the kernel which work for you |
| 10:15.35 | Falle | guerin: linux-vserver on a debian64 install |
| 10:16.03 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:16.07 | omry | streuner, I will. I am not upgradeing for a specific feature, but because my system keep freezing. thought it might be something which was fixed since 2.6.7 |
| 10:16.21 | omry | streuner, you recommend that I remove these unstable lines from my sources? |
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| 10:16.27 | streuner | yes |
| 10:16.32 | Guerin | Falle: no idea. You can edit the debootstrap scripts to make it happen, but I don't know how to, really. |
| 10:16.49 | omry | streuner, will it hurd unstable packages I got right now? |
| 10:16.56 | streuner | omry: run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6' then |
| 10:17.19 | omry | streuner, you mean afrer I remove the unstable? |
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| 10:17.25 | streuner | omry: yes |
| 10:17.44 | Falle | guerin: i dont know either. i was hopeing to make debootstrap use a server that supports 64bit debian. dont know how though :S |
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| 10:18.18 | Guerin | Falle: #debian-amd64 |
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| 10:19.12 | Falle | guerin: oh, didnt know that one existed |
| 10:19.12 | Fujoor | does anybody know if there exists a console mail client (like pine for example) that can handle gmail account? |
| 10:19.15 | Falle | thanks |
| 10:19.40 | Guerin | Falle: since gmail has pop3 access, mutt would be my choice |
| 10:19.44 | Guerin | Fujoor: |
| 10:19.52 | Fujoor | yes Guerin |
| 10:20.01 | Fujoor | oh |
| 10:20.03 | Guerin | yes. |
| 10:20.10 | Fujoor | but gmail uses ssl |
| 10:20.17 | Guerin | so does mutt |
| 10:20.18 | Fujoor | and wierd ports for sending out |
| 10:20.28 | Fujoor | oh, so mutt would work? |
| 10:20.35 | omry | streuner, will try, thanks. |
| 10:20.43 | Fujoor | would an apt-get install mutt suffice? |
| 10:20.52 | Guerin | you'd be sending via your own smtp server, since mutt can't use a random smarthost unless you define your mta to do so |
| 10:21.16 | maruz | hi, someone knows what happen to amavisd-new? where can i find info? it does not start anymore with /etc/amavisd/amavisd.conf |
| 10:21.25 | Guerin | !logs |
| 10:21.25 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 10:21.28 | Guerin | maruz: ^ |
| 10:21.35 | Fujoor | well thank you guerin |
| 10:22.02 | maruz | Guerin, what's? ;) |
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| 10:22.34 | orjan | Im testing sshx (via putty) and MI/X. Works decent on a local lan except for background is very slow to repaint after using root window menues. Anything that has to be set in putty or MI/X? |
| 10:22.37 | Guerin | maruz: log |
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| 10:22.47 | omry | my boot device is SATA, and it appears as /dev/hde in 2.6.7 and /dev/sda in 2.6.12. can I have a single fstab that will work for both? |
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| 10:23.41 | Guerin | omry: why are you still using a kernel with several known remote vulnerabilities? |
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| 10:24.29 | omry | Guerin, because every time I tried to upgrade it I wasn't able to boot because of this sda/hde inconsistency (didn't know about it until recently) |
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| 10:25.34 | omry | Guerin, I don't intent to keep 2.6.7, I just was a safty net for the transition boot. |
| 10:25.40 | Guerin | omry: I see. |
| 10:25.51 | liable | omry: i dont see why multiple entries in fstab wouldnt work (apart from the obvious errors)) |
| 10:25.53 | omry | I can ofcourse use knoppix or something, but I rather not. |
| 10:26.03 | Guerin | omry: you could use two different fstab lines, and have one simply fail with 'no such device' |
| 10:26.19 | omry | Guerin, liable, thanks. sounds good. I`ll try that. |
| 10:26.23 | Guerin | omry: failure like that is harmless - the only trick would be getting the thing to boot |
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| 10:26.41 | omry | I am a bit puzzeled about the chicken and egg thing with the fstab boot. |
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| 10:27.00 | liable | thats grub, not fstab. |
| 10:27.04 | omry | fstab sits on the / partition, and define how its supposed to be mounted. |
| 10:27.27 | omry | liable, gub I figure. |
| 10:27.29 | omry | grub |
| 10:27.32 | jm_ | omry: man e2label ; man fstab |
| 10:28.01 | jm_ | ahh man e2label fstab works well too |
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| 10:28.14 | omry | jm_, what does the label has to do with it? |
| 10:28.19 | id23 | hi |
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| 10:29.27 | liable | jm_: heh, you come up with some great obscure/unknown (to me anyways) man pages :) |
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| 10:29.45 | jm_ | liable: yeah if only everyone understood them, or tried to ;) |
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| 10:30.48 | orjan | Im testing x forwarding ssh (via putty) and MI/X. Works decent on a local lan except for background is very slow to repaint after using root window menues. An xterm with irssi updates much faster.Anything that has to be set in putty or MI/X? |
| 10:30.50 | Sha | guys my clock is showing me 1999 ive changed timezone but no hope any one how to change clock? |
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| 10:31.42 | asg | Sha: /msg dpkg set time |
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| 10:35.09 | brosiozzz | vlc is still unaviable on debian unstable ? |
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| 10:35.12 | brosiozzz | vlc: Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not installable |
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| 10:35.41 | omry | joyfully, the 2.6.12 kernel wont boot on my system, it panics when it fails to mount /dev/console. |
| 10:35.43 | Guerin | brosiozzz: welcome to sid. |
| 10:35.49 | yopi | sup |
| 10:35.54 | yopi | just installed new debian |
| 10:35.56 | Guerin | brosiozzz: suggest you use nightly builds from nightlies.videolan.org |
| 10:36.04 | yopi | do u know the pkg where the tool: dig |
| 10:36.05 | jm_ | failing to mount dev console is usually a result of failing to mount / |
| 10:36.06 | yopi | is? |
| 10:36.10 | asg | yopi: dnsutils |
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| 10:36.17 | asg | yopi: for the future, /msg dpkg find |
| 10:36.31 | yopi | asg : thx , ok for the dpkg bot |
| 10:36.48 | jm_ | yopi: and /msg dpkg search |
| 10:36.49 | asg | yopi: actually, it's /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:46.23 | oldman | is there a way to disable DHCPDISCOVER for the boot-ups where it's known a laptop will not find itself any network - just to speed up the boot process? |
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| 10:46.38 | liable | ifplugd |
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| 10:47.04 | asg | oldman: or remove the 'auto foo' bit in /etc/network/interfaces and bring it up manually. |
| 10:47.35 | id23 | anylon |
| 10:47.59 | liable | whats that? |
| 10:48.06 | oldman | asg: thankee! |
| 10:48.14 | id23 | is it still possible to log ntop netflows to mysql ? |
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| 10:48.27 | asg | oldman: you're welcome. liable's answer, though, is more elegant once you get it working. |
| 10:48.27 | id23 | liable, sorry that first thing was garbarge |
| 10:49.14 | oldman | i don't know what "ifplugd" is (daemon obviously) but i'll be sure to research it. thank you all |
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| 10:52.44 | liable | SA lose! |
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| 10:53.04 | futlib | hi, can I setup a cvs pserver without root rights? |
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| 10:55.39 | SlayerXP | futlib: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 10:55.54 | liable | !seen greycat |
| 10:55.55 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 6d 14h 35m 3s ago, saying: 'that one's 404. http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html had it, but appears down/slow.'. |
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| 10:58.08 | diogenes | kde seems to have some unmet dependensies in unstable - anyone care to guess how long? |
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| 10:58.33 | liable | 5 days. |
| 10:58.48 | liable | do i hear six? |
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| 10:59.01 | diogenes | hmm.. thats long |
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| 10:59.19 | liable | seven, seven, do i hear seven? |
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| 11:00.00 | EdLin | ten |
| 11:00.06 | diogenes | err |
| 11:00.17 | tziku | can somebody tell me what to install ? i can't find library for this: checking for libpq++.h... configure: error: Unable to find PostGreSQL |
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| 11:00.29 | tziku | i'm trying to install an ircd server. |
| 11:00.48 | fatal__ | tziku: libpq*-dev |
| 11:00.50 | EdLin | diogenes: the correct answer, of course, is wir and siyh |
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| 11:01.04 | diogenes | EdLin: thought so |
| 11:01.12 | tziku | is a lot of postgresql in: spt-cache search PostGreSQL |
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| 11:01.48 | diogenes | i just need to get one debian unstable workstation with kde ready to run on monday.. |
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| 11:02.23 | EdLin | diogenes: why not run stable? Just because the software is six months old doesn't mean it doesn't work. |
| 11:02.43 | liable | whats broken? cant you install most of it? |
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| 11:03.05 | slug | hello all |
| 11:03.06 | liable | i thought it was etch that had broken kde atm? |
| 11:03.10 | diogenes | yea, my thoughts exactly - perhaps i can convince the ppl here... |
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| 11:03.41 | diogenes | liable: with apt-get install -f ? |
| 11:03.50 | diogenes | sorry: -m |
| 11:04.08 | EdLin | diogenes: if they need your help installing it they aren't suited for unstable. |
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| 11:04.49 | bibe | diogenes : apt-cache show <package_name> lists all the dependencies. I'd try to install each dependency of kde, then (at least) one will fail. Then I'd try with apt-cache show <broken_dependent_package> and I'd install all of its dependencies. One (or more) will break, then... |
| 11:04.52 | diogenes | i'd still be there for maintaining the workstation |
| 11:05.04 | fireba11 | EdLin: should make a counter for people i told to use stable .. ^^ |
| 11:05.15 | liable | diogenes: try installing kde-core for starters. |
| 11:05.34 | diogenes | core goes fine |
| 11:05.44 | Guerin | that's all the kde you need |
| 11:05.55 | diogenes | thanks |
| 11:05.57 | liable | well, thats more than enough of that shit then.. |
| 11:06.03 | liable | :) |
| 11:06.19 | diogenes | i don't use kde myself so didn't know that :) |
| 11:06.39 | vin` | !install kde |
| 11:06.39 | dpkg | it has been said that install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 11:17.03 | futlib | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.15 | futlib | I'm invoking cvs server |
| 11:17.25 | futlib | if I trace it with -t and -n, there is only one sentence: |
| 11:17.34 | futlib | -> main: Session ID is wtf$sessionid |
| 11:17.49 | futlib | and the daemon is not listening on its port |
| 11:18.10 | umbop | hmm i was wondeirng, if you create a chroot environment, say /chroot, and you have proftp and apache etc running from the /chroot, is there an easier way for changing users passwords say for /chroot/etc/passwd and shadow, using passwd command, other than physically copying /etc/shadow to /chroot/etc/shadow? |
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| 11:22.12 | tziku | where can i find this library : libpq++.h ? |
| 11:22.21 | jm_ | that's not a library |
| 11:22.39 | futlib | thats a merge of header and library |
| 11:22.45 | jm_ | install postgresql-dev like you've been told to |
| 11:22.56 | slug | is there a page which descibes all modules in the xf86 module section? |
| 11:22.56 | tziku | i'm trying to install an ircd server |
| 11:23.03 | tziku | and: checking for libpq++.h... configure: error: Unable to find PostGreSQL |
| 11:23.30 | futlib | no one can help me with my cvs pserver problem? |
| 11:23.39 | tziku | i installed postgresql-dev and a lot of that but isn't work...same problem |
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| 11:24.15 | futlib | i want to kill myself |
| 11:24.17 | futlib | bye |
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| 11:28.00 | ircdevil | is what futlib just did considered a cvs checkout ? |
| 11:28.25 | jm_ | ircdevil: no, he wants to access CVS repository remotely, that's what pserver is for |
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| 11:29.01 | ootput | do any of you use rcs to handle documents that u'd use for school/work? |
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| 11:29.18 | ootput | for private revisions |
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| 11:31.19 | ircdevil | jm_: pun jm_ - he went off to commit suicide because he failed to connect to the pserver -> cvs checkout |
| 11:31.20 | hcy | anybody have experience getting a djvu mozilla plugin working in debian/gnome? |
| 11:31.44 | ircdevil | !fishslap jm_ :o) |
| 11:32.17 | jm_ | ircdevil: no he failed to start it ... |
| 11:32.37 | brosiozzz | Anyone known why with k3b when i burn dvd i can't see buffer state and when i burn cd yes ? |
| 11:32.53 | Guerin | brosiozzz: I blame the mushrooms |
| 11:33.13 | ircdevil | jm_: gaaar - suicide due to cvs problems == cvs checkout |
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| 11:44.12 | NET||abuse | i'm setting up debian for the first time, using the net installer cd |
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| 11:44.50 | NET||abuse | i have this on a pretty low wend machine |
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| 11:44.51 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: okay .. i guess you got a problem somewhere ? |
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| 11:45.18 | NET||abuse | fireba11: just trying to decide on packages really, |
| 11:45.24 | NET||abuse | there are SOOOOO many |
| 11:45.44 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: okay .. what you want to do with that box ß |
| 11:45.57 | Tuttle_ | Today a received an urgent Debian Security Announcement concerning ClamAV and that I should update to 0.84-2.sarge.7. But I use 0.88-0volatile1 and the announcement does not mention this case. The update is not offered by aptitude. DOes that mean that my pkg is not vulnerable? |
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| 11:47.10 | NET||abuse | well, mostly it would be running network tools, mrtg, apache, development server for php, perl, python, ruby, databases of many flavours |
| 11:47.25 | Zugschlus | Tuttle_: IIRC, volatile has already been updated a week ago |
| 11:47.30 | Guerin | Tuttle_: check the changelog, but the answer is almost certainly yes |
| 11:47.32 | fireba11 | okay .. you are using netinstall or thw whole CD set ? |
| 11:47.46 | Guerin | Tuttle_: the whole point of volatile is to keep ahead of the curve |
| 11:47.48 | NET||abuse | it's just kinda sucky machine, i've run FC4 on it and mandrake, just that the desktops were soooo laggy, perhaps not even installing X might be an idea.? |
| 11:48.02 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: exactly |
| 11:48.08 | NET||abuse | celeron 500Mhz, 512MB ram, 20Gig hd, 256k procy cache |
| 11:48.17 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:48.18 | NET||abuse | really crappy desktop |
| 11:48.25 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: i would just go with a minimum install and then manually install the packages you need and run as headless server |
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| 11:48.29 | bobbens | NET||abuse: ive put X on a pentium pro 166 mhz without lag |
| 11:48.35 | Guerin | that's *fine* for anything, including kde or gnome, as long as you turn chrome off |
| 11:48.43 | NET||abuse | chrome? |
| 11:48.51 | NET||abuse | extra decorators for the windows? |
| 11:49.07 | Guerin | i'm currently running x on my laptop, which is currently in powersaving mode running at 60 mhz, and it's fine |
| 11:49.09 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: still .. if you don't need a desktop why install it ? :-) |
| 11:49.12 | Guerin | x is not resource hungry |
| 11:49.16 | Guerin | kde and gnome ar |
| 11:49.16 | Guerin | e |
| 11:49.18 | bobbens | NET||abuse: you might also want to take a look a fluxbox or other lighter window managers |
| 11:49.24 | Guerin | NET||abuse: yeah, that sort of shit |
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| 11:49.37 | Guerin | i recommend openbox or xfce4 for that sortt of kit |
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| 11:49.46 | Tuttle_ | In the volatile's clamav changelog there is stated something that *may* mean the bug was fixed back in september, which seems to me too far ago for official pkgs to be fixed today... |
| 11:50.16 | NET||abuse | hmm, it's suggesting partition of / 280MB, /usr 5GB, /var 3GB, swap 790MB, /tmp 400MB and /home 10.5GB |
| 11:50.24 | NET||abuse | that an ok setup, or too complex? |
| 11:50.43 | oskie | just use one single big partition... |
| 11:50.49 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: for a testbox i would go with swap and / |
| 11:50.50 | NET||abuse | oskie: REALLY? |
| 11:50.57 | NET||abuse | hmm, i suppose |
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| 11:51.12 | liable | i would at least put /home on its own partition.. |
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| 11:51.25 | oskie | liable: why? |
| 11:51.54 | Zugschlus | Tuttle_: the advisory says that the issue was fixed in unstable in 0.86.2-1, which dates back to July 2005 |
| 11:52.10 | NET||abuse | is it worth using Ext3 with journaling or just stick to Ext2? |
| 11:52.18 | fireba11 | NET||abuse: use ext3 |
| 11:52.19 | oskie | NET||abuse: well, in my experience you spend more time moving files around to free up space when you have many partitions |
| 11:52.48 | Zugschlus | Tuttle_: and volatile has 0.88-0volatile, which is an ancestor of 0.86, so I'd say the issue is solved in volatile |
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| 11:53.25 | Guerin | Zugschlus: descendant |
| 11:53.33 | NET||abuse | oskie: well, that's a point, and on just 20GB drive too... hmm, maybe just/ /home and swap |
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| 11:53.45 | Tuttle_ | Zugschlus: how do you find out the release dates for pkgs versions? but i'm discussing that when the bug was known in sep (i'm not sure about it), shouldn't it been fixed in 0.86 sooner too. it looks like it took several months |
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| 11:55.34 | Zugschlus | Tuttle_: /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/changelog.Debian.gz, |
| 11:55.52 | Zugschlus | Tuttle_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 11:56.27 | Tuttle_ | Zugschlus: thanks |
| 11:57.06 | Cobain | http://forums.smokedot.org |
| 11:57.14 | Cobain | why cant i get that to process? |
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| 11:57.39 | Guerin | Cobain: because you're shit. |
| 11:57.44 | Cobain | ? |
| 11:57.45 | gopoim | hi |
| 11:57.47 | Cobain | libapache-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 11:57.56 | gopoim | any one from chennai |
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| 11:58.02 | Guerin | Cobain: well, since you haven't given me much to go on, I'm just guessing. |
| 11:58.14 | gopoim | hi |
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| 11:58.16 | gopoim | dear |
| 11:58.22 | Guerin | gopoim: about eight million, isn't it? |
| 11:58.23 | petemc | yo Cobain |
| 11:58.31 | Cobain | hey pete |
| 11:58.35 | Cobain | what you been up to? |
| 11:58.40 | petemc | nada |
| 11:58.41 | gopoim | helo |
| 11:58.46 | gopoim | day |
| 11:58.47 | Cobain | mind if i msg you? |
| 11:58.55 | gopoim | ada poolu |
| 11:59.09 | saintiss | hi |
| 11:59.14 | gopoim | hi |
| 11:59.16 | Guerin | and wtf is this PHTML file which firefox doesn't know what to do with? |
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| 11:59.36 | Tuttle_ | I do think there should be some note in the official deb sec annonces about volatile. Who is _not_ using clamav and spamassassin from volatile to remain safe? |
| 11:59.49 | saintiss | I enabled internet forwarding with a debian server, and the client can indeed e.g. ping google, but almost everything seems to stall very quickly |
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| 11:59.57 | saintiss | e.g. if I download something on the client, it doesn't even get to the first byte |
| 12:00.03 | saintiss | although the connection itself works ok |
| 12:00.18 | Zugschlus | Tuttle_: volatile is not an official debian offer, hence the debian._NET_ domain |
| 12:00.19 | Guerin | Tuttle_: tell security@debian.org, but since volatile is not officially in debian, I think you'll have little luck |
| 12:01.21 | kspath | NET: ion3 openbox3 and if you have to fluxbox are good choices rather than going with gnome or kde and their memory sucking support systems |
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| 12:03.06 | Solarisborn | hi all |
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| 12:04.29 | KerPlunk | !greet Solarisborn |
| 12:04.29 | dpkg | Hello, Solarisborn |
| 12:04.30 | NET||abuse | hmm, proxy on my netwrok won't let unauthenticated http traffic through, so the apt tried to get at security.debian.org and failed.... is this a big problem for the installation? |
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| 12:04.53 | KerPlunk | !tell NET||abuse about apt-proxy |
| 12:04.58 | Solarisborn | KerPlunk greetings :) |
| 12:05.23 | liable | ? |
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| 12:05.35 | NET||abuse | KerPlunk: this is during the net install, i havn't had a chance to enter proxy info into the setup |
| 12:05.38 | Guerin | NET||abuse: you can configure aapt to use an authenticated proxy |
| 12:06.08 | NET||abuse | Guerin: same question, can you enter proxy config during the netinstall? |
| 12:06.24 | Solarisborn | where russian users? |
| 12:06.37 | liable | !ru |
| 12:06.37 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 12:06.59 | NET||abuse | Guerin: and really if i just leave out the security.debian.org package server, is it a big deal? can i get that later and not be missing anything seriously important for initial setup of debian? |
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| 12:07.08 | KerPlunk | NET||abuse: When I do a netinstall it asks me what my proxy is. |
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| 12:07.15 | Guerin | NET||abuse: You certainly can get that later. |
| 12:08.45 | Zap-W | hey |
| 12:08.52 | Zap-W | does anyone know a tool to test UDP transfer speed |
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| 12:09.16 | umbop | hmm i was wondeirng, if you create a chroot environment, say /chroot, and you have proftp and apache etc running from the /chroot, is there an easier way for changing users passwords say for /chroot/etc/passwd and shadow, using passwd command, other than physically copying /etc/shadow to /chroot/etc/shadow? |
| 12:09.45 | EdLin | !does anyone know |
| 12:09.45 | dpkg | does anyone know is probably http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html |
| 12:10.31 | tarzeau | Zap-W: iptraf |
| 12:10.54 | Zap-W | yes, but i need a peer to send udp traffic to |
| 12:11.01 | tarzeau | Zap-W: so? |
| 12:11.03 | KerPlunk | Solarisborn: /join #debian-russian |
| 12:11.04 | Zap-W | know a tool that does that? |
| 12:11.28 | Haukkari | !russian |
| 12:11.28 | Zap-W | or "a test site" |
| 12:11.29 | dpkg | i heard russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 12:12.03 | Solarisborn | KerPlunk i khnow |
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| 12:15.44 | quitte | i now have a dsl router as my modem died. it has a dhcp server configured to serve addresses from 192.168.1.33 - 192.168.1.254. on one box it works - on the other it fetches a lease and says it took .34. but if i look at ifconfig the address is totally different. soe 169.x.x.x address |
| 12:16.09 | quitte | the weirdest thing is that i still can connect to it by the 192.168.1.34 address |
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| 12:17.32 | sdschulze | Hm, I get "error activating XKB configuration" when starting GNOME and modifying XKB settings. |
| 12:17.55 | Guerin | sdschulze: welcomg to Life With Gnome |
| 12:18.24 | sdschulze | never had that problem, only with latest sid |
| 12:18.50 | azeem | sdschulze: latest sid has GNOME-2.12, where they changed that |
| 12:19.05 | mirak | I have a problem with a makefile. It installs a module in the wrong folder http://pastebin.com/514450 |
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| 12:19.18 | sdschulze | I think I'm using GNOME 2.12. |
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| 12:19.49 | azeem | sdschulze: what do you have in your xkb configuration |
| 12:19.50 | azeem | ? |
| 12:19.56 | wintalker | i can't find gdm. i have installed gnome. |
| 12:20.02 | azeem | wintalker: apt-get install gd |
| 12:20.03 | azeem | gdm, even |
| 12:20.13 | sdschulze | xprop -root | grep XKB? |
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| 12:24.08 | RichiH | any idea how to tell rp-pppoe how many connections it should accpet? |
| 12:24.17 | kspath | I LOVE these jobs listed as Sr. Systems Admin/ Network Specialist - Read it and it is a Windows admin job /me falls over and pukes |
| 12:24.17 | DrCurl | hmm, I trying to build something and it coomplains: msgfmt: Command not found |
| 12:24.17 | DrCurl | In what package can I find this util? |
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| 12:25.04 | wintalker | azeem, thanks. i have another question. i don't want to use some kind of font, how do i use some special font for my sysem |
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| 12:25.50 | Mike | How do i get a newly installed debian to autodetec raid arrays? |
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| 12:26.53 | wintalker | how do i modify system's font? |
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| 12:26.56 | kspath | Mike: You might want to be a little more specific? external? via scsi/sata/ata internal card? |
| 12:27.03 | wintalker | change font. |
| 12:27.13 | Mike | kspath, no md partitions |
| 12:27.42 | Mike | Linux raid autodetec |
| 12:27.50 | wintalker | i have saw the fonts.conf. i don't know how to set up |
| 12:27.50 | sdschulze | azeem: What do you mean by XKB configuration? |
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| 12:28.50 | silvestre | hi! I have an unsplit exim4 configuration but I want to move to splited one - is there a script to split my exim4.conf.template? |
| 12:28.58 | Zugschlus | silvestre: no |
| 12:29.17 | azeem | sdschulze: actually, I don't know right now |
| 12:29.25 | azeem | sdschulze: maybe I confused it with xmodmap |
| 12:29.28 | silvestre | Zugschlus: ok, thanks |
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| 12:29.36 | Zugschlus | the unsplit config is generated at package build time from the split configuration, and there is a script to generated unsplit from split at the discretion of the local admin |
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| 12:30.47 | davidw | poll: what's the consensus on a backup system for a small office? |
| 12:31.01 | Coke | davidw: amanda perhaps? |
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| 12:31.41 | silvestre | Zugschlus: Yes, I groked that. Looking at the headers in the unsplit config it should however be possible to split it back. I was hoping that someone had already done that. |
| 12:32.01 | silvestre | s/possible/relatively easy/ |
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| 12:32.36 | id23 | how is the load average computed via top on a non-smp system compared to a smp system ? |
| 12:32.40 | Zugschlus | silvestre: have you customized your configuration that badly? |
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| 12:33.06 | relic | Hello |
| 12:33.11 | id23 | or even a 2CPU xeon HT (4 virtual cpus) |
| 12:33.41 | sdschulze | I just don't know which package to check in the BTS. |
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| 12:34.01 | davidw | Coke, that's one option...I used it years ago, and it was ok... |
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| 12:35.56 | jm_ | davidw: also take a look at backuppc |
| 12:36.31 | ricercar | Hi all, I have 4 drives, 2 x 80 GB ATE and 2 X 6.5 GB uw SCSI - and only 256 MB RAM. My question: how, without buying anything, can I optimise audio performance w.r.t multi-track recording, etc? I.e. is it best to mount an ATE partn. as root and use the SCSI's for data (or maybe for swapspace), or what? |
| 12:37.00 | mirak | ricercar: do you know demudi ? |
| 12:37.04 | silvestre | Zugschlus: Nah, I should be able to diff it and manually convert it to split. I just wanted to see if s.o. had already written such a script. |
| 12:37.08 | mirak | ricercar: if not google demudi |
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| 12:37.58 | Zugschlus | silvestre: you could use update-exim4.conf.template with a different output file (important, it will write to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template) and diff the result with your existing exim4.conf(.template) |
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| 12:38.54 | ricercar | mirak: yes, but it still generates no sound on my system (and I've just installed etch-based demudi 1.3.0 :(. Debian 3.1 gives sound OK |
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| 12:39.08 | mirak | ah |
| 12:39.20 | merci__ | hi |
| 12:40.04 | ricercar | mirak: I'm thinking mainly about the CPU loading due to the ATE drives |
| 12:40.41 | mirak | ricercar: what is the cpu load ? |
| 12:41.02 | mirak | ricercar: hem frequency |
| 12:41.13 | mirak | you have really not enough ram anyway |
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| 12:41.47 | silvestre | Zugschlus: Heh, cool, thanks, exactly what i needed. |
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| 12:43.02 | ricercar | mirak: I haven't quantified it exactly, but intensive disk i/o really drags the system down. Not good with audio |
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| 12:43.39 | ricercar | mirak: oops, sorry, CPU freq=2.4 GHz |
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| 12:44.14 | mirak | ricercar: ok you should buy ram |
| 12:44.16 | ricercar | mirak: and can't possibly afford more just now |
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| 12:46.55 | ricercar | mirak: so you don't think that careful balancing of SCSI vs ATE will make *that* much difference? |
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| 12:47.37 | mirak | ricercar: if your systems starts swapping this will kill everything |
| 12:47.54 | Diguinho | can someone help me ? My network interfaces aren't getting the settings of /etc/network/interfaces. They're getting ips, like, 169.254.89.29 and 169.254.151.249 |
| 12:47.55 | mirak | that's why increasing ram is the first guess |
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| 12:49.10 | fireba11 | Diguinho: more details ? |
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| 12:49.19 | Diguinho | ok |
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| 12:49.59 | chemaja | Diguinho: afaik, 169.254.0.0/16 is owned by Microsoft, and Windows PCs that can't find their DHCP server assign themselves an IP in this range. Never heard of Debian doing that (unless it's some coincidence). Is the interface configured for DHCP? |
| 12:50.12 | ricercar | mirak: you're right of course, but my fscking "economy" forbids it. |
| 12:50.17 | Diguinho | no .. that's the point |
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| 12:50.41 | mirak | ricercar: that's 40 $ |
| 12:50.42 | Diguinho | this is what my /etc/network/interfaces look: auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet static / address 192.168.0.1 / netmask 255.255.255.0 etc |
| 12:51.10 | Diguinho | when I get the interface up, it has a little delay, like it's looking for a dhcp server, and then it gets the IP 169.254.... |
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| 12:51.35 | fireba11 | Diguinho: so you got a dhcp server somewhere .. post interfaces to pastebin please |
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| 12:51.54 | Diguinho | no, I don't have one in my network |
| 12:51.58 | Diguinho | pastebin ? |
| 12:51.58 | ricercar | mirak: It's dearer in Denmark (everything is) |
| 12:52.19 | fireba11 | !paster |
| 12:52.19 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 12:52.26 | ricercar | mirak: and I'm an oap :( |
| 12:52.34 | Diguinho | fine ! |
| 12:53.00 | mirak | ricercar: I live in france |
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| 12:53.11 | mirak | ricercar: it shouldn't not be that much expensive |
| 12:53.17 | mirak | ricercar: oap ? |
| 12:53.43 | Diguinho | ok, i'm pasting it |
| 12:53.47 | Zugschlus | silvestre: might not be exactly what you want, but it might help |
| 12:53.57 | ricercar | mirak: I'll bet it's a lot warmer there too! We're freezing in -3 and a windspeed of 12 m/s |
| 12:54.07 | Diguinho | fireball: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1591 |
| 12:54.25 | mirak | ricercar: probalby 5 or ten degree celcius |
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| 12:54.32 | ricercar | mirak: O(ld) A(ge) P(ensioner) |
| 12:54.38 | chemaja | Diguinho: now paste `ifconfig' |
| 12:54.39 | Diguinho | fireball: the bridge (br0) is also getting "failed dhcp" ip |
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| 12:54.45 | Diguinho | ok |
| 12:55.12 | kspath | ricecar: not all nations use such TLAs |
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| 12:55.38 | ricercar | mirak: and we live on catfoot - when we can afford it :p |
| 12:55.46 | ricercar | food |
| 12:55.51 | kspath | ricercar: Three Letter Acronyms |
| 12:55.58 | Diguinho | chemaja: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1592 |
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| 12:56.05 | ricercar | kspath: ??? |
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| 12:56.48 | ricercar | kspath: sorry, lines got crossed |
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| 12:57.41 | merci_ | #mcin |
| 12:57.54 | kspath | ricercar: I was trying to indicate to you that when using TLAs try to stick with internationally known or other acronyms like SCSI SATA |
| 12:58.20 | ricercar | kspath: Humbly sorry :) |
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| 12:58.56 | kspath | ricercar: no need to be if you are in fact. Just a hint that things like oap will not be understood |
| 12:59.25 | dvm1981 | I try to setup an Wireless USB dongle (Dlink -- DWL-G122), i have read the informations on 'http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/DebianNoCompiles'. It seems easy to do, so i have followed step by step, but on the final, when i do 'iwconfig' he not find the 'wlan0' just after have loading the module. |
| 12:59.48 | Diguinho | chemaja: any ideas? |
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| 13:00.30 | xoz | Diguinho: have you checked if you have a running dhcpclient? |
| 13:00.32 | ricercar | kspath: honestly, I'm not trolling. Just looking for advice on my SCSI/ATE mix |
| 13:00.37 | KerPlunk | dvm1981: /join #ndiswrapper |
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| 13:01.19 | jm_ | ricercar: do you know what transfer rates you need? |
| 13:01.26 | Diguinho | xoz: yes. no dhcp clients |
| 13:01.31 | dvm1981 | KerPlunk: go to it |
| 13:01.46 | Diguinho | in fact, no dhcp clients installed at all here |
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| 13:02.19 | silvestre | Zugschlus: well, it definitely helped. :) - Keep up the good work. Debian's exim is really great to work with! |
| 13:02.41 | ricercar | jm_: I'm not technical enough to work that out, I just need to be able to get quality sound for rehearsals and demos |
| 13:02.51 | kds | usb automouting was working fine in Gnome for me till a few days ago. After that upgrade automouting usb devices do not mount, and if there is an icon for usb and I double click it, it says format not found. Mounting the same device from command line works fine though. Any suggestions? |
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| 13:04.13 | chemaja | Diguinho: sorry I got disconnected (I think) -- did you see me disconnect? |
| 13:04.15 | Zugschlus | silvestre: thanks, I'll forward your praise to the package maintainer ;) |
| 13:04.16 | ricercar | jm_: anyway, DAT rate is sufficient for my needs |
| 13:04.26 | Diguinho | starkey:/etc/network# ifconfig br0 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:04.34 | Diguinho | SIOCSIFADDR: Arquivo existe |
| 13:04.36 | Diguinho | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.37 | wintalker | !tar |
| 13:04.37 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 13:04.48 | xoz | Diguinho: can you try manually setting the ip/netmask using ifconfig in the shell? |
| 13:05.01 | jm_ | ricercar: then just try it with whatever layout and see how it goes - you won't gain much by experimenting with such old hardware |
| 13:05.08 | Diguinho | yes, manually setting it works |
| 13:05.17 | Diguinho | but with ifup/ifdown, not |
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| 13:05.54 | xoz | Diguinho: what debian are you using? etch/stable? |
| 13:05.55 | jm_ | ricercar: those 80G drives should be fast enough as long as you have a decent CPU (and even then, it will use way more CPU for other tasks than reading/writing to/from disks) |
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| 13:06.12 | kl1 | hi |
| 13:06.20 | xoz | Diguinho: and when did this occur? it works before? |
| 13:06.45 | kspath | I do not understand why people buy 1-3Ghz machines with only 256MB RAM just bizarre |
| 13:06.52 | kl1 | any one knows why when i try to play music it says /deb/dsp dont exist.. |
| 13:06.56 | fireba11 | kspath: so true |
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| 13:07.10 | kspath | RAM is everything |
| 13:07.21 | ricercar | jm_: it's the reboot - try - reconfigure & reinstall cycle that really gets me. Oh well, I'll ask Santa for moreRAM next Christmas |
| 13:07.28 | kspath | well level1 cache and level2 are AWESOME also |
| 13:08.03 | ricercar | kspath: level cache and level2 ? |
| 13:08.05 | jm_ | ricercar: reinstall takes a few minutes |
| 13:08.05 | kl1 | any one knows for what is /deb/dsp ? |
| 13:08.12 | fireba11 | kspath: well at least here they did marketing with GHz so most ppl think GHz = speed ... and they put only little ram in the boxes to save money .. your average joe didn't notice anyway |
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| 13:08.35 | xoz | kl1: /dev/dsp? |
| 13:08.40 | kl1 | yes |
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| 13:09.01 | kspath | for just word processing and stuff it is fine but even gaming wants 512MB ram most often now |
| 13:09.22 | kl1 | xoz yes /dev/dsp |
| 13:09.30 | Diguinho | xoz: i'm using unstable.. it worked allright before.. |
| 13:09.37 | fireba11 | kspath: i'm net selling anything under 512 MB .. usually 1 GB or more ^^ |
| 13:09.42 | jm_ | kl1: many people know - read devices.txt and /msg dpkg sound |
| 13:09.48 | ricercar | jm_: I've got an all time best of about 1 hour using carefully hoarded /root, /home and various stuff from /etc |
| 13:09.51 | kspath | I have bought 1GB RAM long ago for playing everquest and it did not really use the 1GB effectively |
| 13:09.52 | xoz | kl1: you need to modprobe a snd module... with udev, it will just appear after the correct module is loaded |
| 13:09.55 | Diguinho | xoz: i noticed that started to happen when I upgrade to 2.6.15 |
| 13:10.14 | jm_ | ricercar: but that sounds like you ran out of space rather than speed |
| 13:10.30 | xoz | Diguinho: one way is to purge networking package and install it.. i think one config is the culprit. |
| 13:10.35 | fireba11 | kspath: or boxes for the coders here at work all got 2 GB |
| 13:10.37 | kl1 | xoz ok |
| 13:11.03 | Diguinho | xoz: i'll do that. what is the package? netbase ? |
| 13:11.10 | jm_ | ricercar: ahh you're talking about install time :) |
| 13:11.24 | xoz | Diguinho: apt-file search /etc/init.d/networking |
| 13:11.32 | ricercar | jm_: Yep, would the install go so much faster with more RAM? |
| 13:11.35 | Diguinho | ok |
| 13:11.44 | jm_ | ricercar: not really |
| 13:11.44 | xoz | Diguinho: can't remember and im not in debian os right now |
| 13:11.50 | kspath | fireball: I agree completely. I just do with what I have 1 (1Ghz Athlon 1 GB RAM) 1 (2Ghz Sempron 1.5GB RAM) I would have 2 GB but my whiney wife forced me to go cheap never bring your wife/gf with you computer shopping |
| 13:11.57 | Diguinho | thanks |
| 13:12.47 | xoz | Diguinho: another possible step is to backtrack your steps ... try the previous kernel. i think you just have to isolate the problem first whether it is the kernel or networking or configuration. |
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| 13:13.21 | Diguinho | I see |
| 13:13.29 | kspath | fireball: next time I will pay premium for largest cache cpu I can get 1-4MB cache and 2-4GB RAM that will have more impact than clock cycles |
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| 13:14.05 | wintalker | i untar a software called fontpage. there is a fontpage.py file. how do i install this? |
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| 13:15.24 | prock | how can I copy the boot record from one partition to another? |
| 13:15.28 | kspath | Duo sounds so cool. I read about it in MaxPC I think. |
| 13:15.30 | jm_ | prock: don't |
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| 13:15.38 | prock | sigh |
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| 13:16.01 | Kian|worK | hi |
| 13:16.14 | prock | jm_: I didn't ask you if you thought I should... I'm wondering if somebody knows how to do it. |
| 13:16.23 | jm_ | yes, many people know |
| 13:16.30 | kspath | xoz: My dream is having a 4-way or 8-way opteron as server and a laptop with a Duo proc and 2GB RAM |
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| 13:16.33 | Wille88 | why every package I'm trying to build with dpkg-buildpackage gives me this error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KG4aDV83.html |
| 13:16.46 | prock | jm_: if you know I'd appreciate hearing how. |
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| 13:17.22 | Kian|worK | i've got a little ssh authentification problem, i tried to copy my key in autorized keys file but when i try ton log in the server, ssh still prompts me for password |
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| 13:17.32 | xoz | kspath: wake-up to make your dream come true :) |
| 13:17.39 | jm_ | prock: I can tell you, but only if you really have a good reason - installing boot loader/transfering partition table is much bette rmethod to achieve it |
| 13:17.54 | chemaja | s/prock/jm_ |
| 13:18.01 | TriKster-Abacus | oooh... someone has a sekrit |
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| 13:18.05 | kspath | xoz: well I could do it now but then I would be homeless |
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| 13:18.18 | kspath | xoz: and wifeless likely |
| 13:18.40 | tzafrir_laptop | Wille88, what is there on debian/mplayer/DEBIAN/control ? |
| 13:18.48 | TriKster-Abacus | prock, ask him if he knows the meaning to life also... |
| 13:18.52 | tzafrir_laptop | Wille88, compare it t odebian/control |
| 13:19.12 | Kian|worK | where can i find the ssh log ? my whole purpose is doing rsync over ssh with rsa key |
| 13:19.14 | prock | jm_: I'm sufficiently aware of the risks, and to be honest (and not trying to be rude here) it's none of your business why I want to. |
| 13:19.33 | TriKster-Abacus | prock, you installing using a new hdd? |
| 13:19.40 | prock | lol. |
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| 13:19.56 | TriKster-Abacus | I would just boot off a live cd, chroot and rerun grub, with out messing with any of the grub files |
| 13:19.58 | jm_ | prock: right, then I'll simply claim my right to not help you with it |
| 13:20.07 | TriKster-Abacus | grub-install /dev/bla |
| 13:20.29 | azeem | hey prock |
| 13:20.42 | wintalker | Start the script version by running "FONTpage.py" what that means? |
| 13:20.47 | prock | jm_: that's fine, and you'll continue to contribute to the reason why so many people are going to ubuntu. |
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| 13:20.53 | prock | azeem: hey. |
| 13:21.00 | TriKster-Abacus | prock, did you read my answer? |
| 13:21.07 | prock | TriKster-Abacus: not going to work for me. |
| 13:21.10 | TriKster-Abacus | ahh |
| 13:21.11 | TriKster-Abacus | hmm |
| 13:21.13 | jm_ | as if I car eif they do |
| 13:21.29 | prock | jm_: yet another reason that they do. |
| 13:21.29 | tzafrir_laptop | I just bought a new wireless adapter. according to http://zd1211.ath.cx/wiki/Configuration I should now provide my essid in the network config file. Where can I find the essid? |
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| 13:22.07 | xoz | tzafrir_laptop: the essid is the name for the AP... use iwconfig |
| 13:22.12 | Kian|worK | anyone could help me setting up ssh without password |
| 13:22.28 | prock | TriKster-Abacus: I've got two hfs+ partitions, one of which boots from grub via chainloader but the other one doesn't. I want to copy the working copy's boot sector to the non-working copy. |
| 13:22.44 | TriKster-Abacus | Kian|worK, dunno how to do your situation, but I once used "expect" to make it auto login using ssh, |
| 13:22.47 | azeem | prock: did you see e.g. http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd#Backing_up_your_Master_Boot_Record_.28MBR.29. ? |
| 13:22.48 | xoz | tzafrir_laptop: read the doc after install wireless-tools |
| 13:23.05 | TriKster-Abacus | prock, aw man, I dunno.. sorry |
| 13:23.14 | TriKster-Abacus | keep pestering jm_ HE KNOWS! |
| 13:23.19 | prock | azeem is my hero. |
| 13:23.37 | TriKster-Abacus | cool azeem |
| 13:23.48 | Kian|worK | well when i do "ssh root@x.x.x.x" il should be automaticaly logged in, and instead, it prompts me for password |
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| 13:24.12 | kspath | amazing what can be found if one is to look and be patient about it |
| 13:24.16 | azeem | prock: well, I am not sure whether this is exactly what you want, but in theory this should work with dd, provided you pass it the right options |
| 13:24.55 | xoz | Kian|worK: you should use ssh-copy-id... then you should enable ssh-agent to manage your key. |
| 13:25.09 | prock | azeem: yeah I just didn't know how big the boot sector was. is the MBR the same size as the partition's boot sectors? |
| 13:25.24 | TriKster-Abacus | Kian|worK, if you use expect, it will automatically log right in using the password and all.. |
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| 13:25.39 | azeem | prock: that's what I meant, I don't know exactly |
| 13:25.48 | azeem | prock: but you should be able to google it |
| 13:25.52 | xoz | Kian|worK: like ssh-add... enter you passphrase.... the, ssh-agent will act as an authenticator using your passphrase after you authenticate by ssh-add |
| 13:26.03 | prock | jm_: do you want to be cool? or continue being a dork? |
| 13:26.03 | TriKster-Abacus | or that I guess |
| 13:26.07 | Wille88 | tzafrir_laptop: hmm. something weird: http://vankila.org/diff_control.txt |
| 13:26.20 | jetscreamer | ooo prock wtg |
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| 13:26.28 | jetscreamer | i think you picked the wrong guy |
| 13:26.34 | Kian|worK | xoz: it says no identity found |
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| 13:27.03 | Kian|worK | i tried to generate key on the source server, and copy/passe in the autorize_keys on the target server but does not seem to work |
| 13:27.11 | xoz | Kian|worK: have you transferred you pub key using ssh-copy-id? |
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| 13:27.32 | leOn | hello |
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| 13:27.42 | azeem | prock: please, it is really difficult to judge whether newcomers are really able to handle answers like these |
| 13:27.43 | xoz | Kian|worK: no identity found in local server? after what command? |
| 13:27.48 | azeem | in your case, it is claer |
| 13:28.02 | azeem | but others might royally hose their system using dd |
| 13:28.05 | Kian|worK | xoz: after the command ssh-copy-id |
| 13:28.27 | azeem | prock: and it is unclear whether anybody in #ubuntu would know about dd ;) |
| 13:28.29 | prock | azeem: this is the third time in the last day I've gotten this kind of answer after explicitly asking for it. Once from debian-user, now here. It gets old fast |
| 13:28.31 | xoz | Kian|worK: have you generated your key? ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 13:28.37 | chemaja | prock: have you read this? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 13:29.01 | jetscreamer | ddrescue |
| 13:29.13 | azeem | prock: well, if you said something about hfs+ and chainloaders, it would have been immediately clear |
| 13:29.17 | leOn | i'm having trouble with xlibmesa-gl when upgrading on unstable. Fails saying "unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory". Any way to solve the problem? |
| 13:29.19 | Kian|worK | xoz: well yeah it says /root/.ssh/id_rsa already exists. |
| 13:29.29 | kspath | prock: it is general advice you can ignore it if you like. people like to know why someone will not take the advice (reasons) |
| 13:29.41 | ricercar | Have a nice regional diurnal period everyone, I've got stuff to do |
| 13:29.42 | azeem | just asking "how do I copy my boot block from one partition to another" sounds like "how do I install glibc from unstable so I can use KDE from this morning" |
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| 13:30.15 | prock | azeem: yes I can understand that. Thanks for the link. |
| 13:30.43 | azeem | prock: when you stay around a bit, the regular people in here will recognize you and stop patronizing |
| 13:30.56 | Guerin | well |
| 13:31.00 | kspath | hehe |
| 13:31.04 | Guerin | unless you demonsstrate yourself to be an eejit |
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| 13:31.19 | Guerin | in which case we'll continue to patronise until you demonstrate otherwise |
| 13:32.35 | azeem | Guerin: I wasn't talking in general, I was talking about prock |
| 13:32.35 | azeem | which I happen to know from another channel |
| 13:32.35 | azeem | eh |
| 13:32.35 | azeem | s/which/who/, sorry |
| 13:32.35 | xoz | Kian|worK: google for the error :) i know you will have better explanation there. |
| 13:32.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:32.35 | Kian|worK | xoz: the public key should go in ~root/.ssh/authorized_keys or authorized_keys2 ? |
| 13:32.36 | Guerin | fair enough :) |
| 13:32.36 | Kian|worK | it can be copy/pasted manually |
| 13:32.36 | kspath | azeem: There are other channels besides #debian?!?!?! |
| 13:32.36 | TriKster-Abacus | chemaja, that url is hilarious |
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| 13:32.37 | jetscreamer | yes, #icewm |
| 13:32.39 | Guerin | Kian|worK: authorized_keys2 is deprecated |
| 13:32.45 | leOn | any idea on how i can solve the "unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory" uppon dist-upgrade? |
| 13:32.56 | Kian|worK | ok so authorized_keys |
| 13:32.56 | Guerin | Kian|worK: it might still work, but you should put all your keys in the former |
| 13:32.58 | azeem | leOn: ./usr ? |
| 13:32.58 | leOn | is there any --force parameter i can use? |
| 13:33.11 | Guerin | leOn: make the directory |
| 13:33.18 | Guerin | oh, wait |
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| 13:33.19 | azeem | leOn: do you have /usr/X11R6/lib ? |
| 13:33.24 | Kian|worK | Guerin , xoz : I think my problem may be caused bu a hostname problem but not sure |
| 13:33.25 | Guerin | leOn: cd / |
| 13:33.25 | leOn | everything is there |
| 13:33.28 | leOn | yep |
| 13:33.31 | Guerin | leOn: then run the thing again |
| 13:33.35 | leOn | i also tried that cd / trick |
| 13:33.40 | leOn | didn't work |
| 13:33.42 | azeem | leOn: eh, what did you run exactly? |
| 13:33.43 | jm_ | leOn: ATI drivers? |
| 13:33.58 | leOn | jm_: i happen to have them, yes |
| 13:33.58 | Guerin | leOn: file a bug against the package, if it's in debian |
| 13:34.05 | Guerin | that's busted beyond usabilit |
| 13:34.06 | Guerin | y |
| 13:34.08 | jm_ | leOn: no I mean does this happen when you install them? |
| 13:34.16 | prock | chemaja: an interesting tale, although it still seems to me like an excuse for people to be rude |
| 13:34.18 | azeem | Guerin: this sounds like system b0rkage, /usr/X11R6/lib should be there |
| 13:34.26 | leOn | that happens if i dpkg -i xlibmesa-gl |
| 13:34.27 | Guerin | he says it is |
| 13:34.38 | jetscreamer | prock: way to confirm my assessment of you |
| 13:35.00 | azeem | prock: well, really, he wasn't rude, he was just not helpful |
| 13:35.02 | Guerin | prock: people in here don't need excuses to be rude, we just are. |
| 13:35.06 | jm_ | yeah someone had something very similar this week I think |
| 13:35.06 | leOn | not only i have /usr/X11R6/lib but there is also the file from the previous version |
| 13:35.09 | Kian|worK | xoz , Guerin : my server's hostname is like "hostname" whereas in my public key it is like "hostname.fqdn" could that be the problem ? |
| 13:35.17 | azeem | leOn: is it a symlink ? |
| 13:35.18 | kspath | !smite prock? |
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| 13:35.25 | Guerin | Kian|worK: yeah, that could be it. |
| 13:35.27 | leOn | nope it's really a file |
| 13:35.27 | azeem | kspath: stop that |
| 13:35.36 | xoz | don't punish your children by making their learning easy :) |
| 13:35.37 | prock | Guerin: somebody needs an excuse to be rude because they wrote TheFable |
| 13:35.43 | Kian|worK | ok i guess i could regenerate the whole thing |
| 13:35.52 | basse | hi, what was the tools name to send out a system message to all users from console? |
| 13:35.58 | leOn | and /usr/X11R6/lib is a dir |
| 13:36.12 | xoz | Kian|worK: try regenerate you key. |
| 13:36.16 | Guerin | prock: unless you were here before, I'd say you're not qualified to comment. |
| 13:36.23 | kspath | rude is QUITE relative to a persons sensitivity |
| 13:36.24 | azeem | leOn: what is the exact name of the .deb you try to install? |
| 13:36.24 | xoz | Kian|worK: erase all in .ssh |
| 13:36.46 | xoz | basse: wall? |
| 13:36.49 | leOn | xlibmesa-gl_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb |
| 13:36.53 | jm_ | leOn: it's worth checking BTS, or maybe try dpkg --root or (instdir, man page will explain it) |
| 13:36.57 | Kian|worK | xoz: i'll try that but first i found a server for which the key based authentification works, wo 'im going to check the authorize file on it |
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| 13:37.09 | kspath | some people think it is rude not to give the exact command to paste into their shell prompt to fix/break something(s). |
| 13:37.23 | Kian|worK | well no it does not work so 'il just try the whole thing again |
| 13:37.23 | prock | Guerin: I can assure you this is not my first visit to #debian. |
| 13:37.28 | leOn | jm_: you have any idea if the one person you say it had the same problem, if it was able to solve it? |
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| 13:39.01 | jm_ | leOn: actually he had the problem with nvidia drivers, but he didn't reply while I was still here |
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| 13:39.38 | basse | xoz: thanks, didnt really pop up a message tho.. strange. |
| 13:40.23 | leOn | w8 ... there is something on BTS that i missed |
| 13:41.00 | jm_ | yeah #327641 |
| 13:41.06 | leOn | that's it |
| 13:41.06 | leOn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327641 |
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| 13:41.31 | leOn | can't wait to have decent drivers on xorg... |
| 13:41.32 | leOn | =P |
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| 13:41.52 | xoz | basse: mesg |
| 13:41.57 | Kian|worK | xoz: i erased the whole .ssh folder then generated a new key |
| 13:42.07 | Kian|worK | it still says me it cant find an identity |
| 13:42.15 | xoz | basse: man mesg |
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| 13:42.41 | jm_ | leOn: also see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328024 - this is related to fglrx, you shoul dalways check BTS first |
| 13:43.00 | TriKster-Abacus | Kian|worK, you just want to have a way to ssh into another box without having to type in the username@host / password each time? |
| 13:43.05 | basse | xoz: maybe its kde blocking |
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| 13:43.17 | xoz | Kian|worK: have you googled for that error? |
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| 13:43.28 | orion195 | hi all |
| 13:43.37 | TriKster-Abacus | I just basically woke up, so excuse my attention span |
| 13:43.49 | orion195 | I've problem mounting a etx3 filesystem |
| 13:44.05 | Kian|worK | xoz: yes :-/ |
| 13:44.14 | Vooloo | what command can I check the directory size with? |
| 13:44.17 | TriKster-Abacus | did you try mount -t /dev/bla? |
| 13:44.18 | Kian|worK | TriKster-Abacus: well sort of : it is for a automated rsync through ssh |
| 13:44.31 | azeem | Vooloo: du |
| 13:44.36 | Vooloo | azeem: thanks |
| 13:44.50 | TriKster-Abacus | Kian|worK, well at this moment, I would suggest expect, but in like an hour, I dunno what I would say.. |
| 13:44.54 | orion195 | I try mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt -o gid=1000 uid=1000 |
| 13:44.56 | xoz | Kian|worK: is identity.pub in .ssh/? |
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| 13:45.07 | orion195 | but I receive an errore.... worng file system .... |
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| 13:45.17 | jetscreamer | gid & uid are ntfs/vfat directives, not ext |
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| 13:45.22 | orion195 | :( |
| 13:45.25 | orion195 | and... |
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| 13:45.31 | Kian|worK | xoz: here is my .ssh folder ---> id_rsa id_rsa.pub |
| 13:45.38 | jm_ | he also used -o incorrectly |
| 13:45.41 | orion195 | how can I set up the owner of a ext3 disc? |
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| 13:45.59 | jm_ | orion195: you can't - there is a kernel patch available, but it's horribly outdated |
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| 13:46.28 | jetscreamer | orion195: i usually chown the mount point and then the fs... but i don't care if i own everything, single user box |
| 13:46.28 | orion195 | mmmm so.... the ext3 partition is available in reading and writing only for root? |
| 13:46.45 | TriKster-Abacus | orion195, chown it first |
| 13:46.48 | jm_ | no, it's determined with standard Unix permissions and ownership |
| 13:47.01 | TriKster-Abacus | sudo chown -R /directory |
| 13:47.13 | TriKster-Abacus | or change the group ownership |
| 13:47.18 | jetscreamer | maybe umask is the directive you want to use |
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| 13:47.26 | TriKster-Abacus | errm, sudo chown -R user /directory |
| 13:47.27 | TriKster-Abacus | sorry |
| 13:47.39 | orion195 | yes I known chown but.... |
| 13:47.47 | TriKster-Abacus | e |
| 13:47.54 | orion195 | If I use umask in command line when I mount ... I got the same errror |
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| 13:47.57 | Kian|worK | xoz: id_rsa.pub should ne identity.pub? |
| 13:48.02 | Kian|worK | ne=be |
| 13:48.15 | TriKster-Abacus | I just use mount -t bla /dev/bla no other info |
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| 13:48.23 | orion195 | ok... |
| 13:48.28 | jetscreamer | orion195: so maybe it's the incorrect usage of -o |
| 13:48.31 | orion195 | and then chown -R ... |
| 13:48.33 | TriKster-Abacus | but others might have a better suggestion |
| 13:48.34 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 13:48.49 | TriKster-Abacus | I never use anything past the mount point |
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| 13:49.10 | orion195 | mmmm |
| 13:49.19 | jetscreamer | man mount is best |
| 13:49.25 | TriKster-Abacus | but if you chown it or change the group permissions ad that user or whatever to that group, logout and back in again, you should own it |
| 13:49.26 | orion195 | just read |
| 13:49.28 | jetscreamer | or man 5 mount |
| 13:49.28 | Eno_ | Is there a less memory intensive alternative to firefox? That works just as well? |
| 13:49.34 | TriKster-Abacus | but chown -R makes it instantaneous |
| 13:50.00 | EdLin | Eno_: if you want closed source software, there's Opera |
| 13:50.03 | TriKster-Abacus | Eno_, links? |
| 13:50.10 | TriKster-Abacus | j/k |
| 13:50.10 | xoz | Kian|worK: cp id_rsa.pub identity.pub |
| 13:50.15 | Eno_ | Hehe. |
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| 13:50.32 | TriKster-Abacus | Opera is supposed to be pretty good , I agree with EdLin |
| 13:50.34 | EdLin | Eno_: links2 and dillo are the other graphical options |
| 13:50.40 | orion195 | thanks for the help ;) |
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| 13:50.44 | Eno_ | EdLin: Yeah, I've considered opera. Does it tend to hog as much memory as firefox when it's open for a long time? |
| 13:50.54 | xoz | Kian|worK: i think it should work now |
| 13:50.57 | Eno_ | Hmm. |
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| 13:51.02 | tarzeau | Eno_: i've used links2 -g for many many hours and many many pictures |
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| 13:51.13 | Eno_ | I will try links2 -g |
| 13:51.21 | EdLin | Eno_: Opera has a much smaller memory footprint, I don't know if it has as many memory links as firefox. |
| 13:51.21 | TriKster-Abacus | I love links/links2 |
| 13:51.22 | tarzeau | dillo should be fine as well, but the control is a bit cumbersome since it's gtk |
| 13:51.29 | tarzeau | TriKster-Abacus: with or without -g? |
| 13:51.36 | jm_ | I've tried links2 -g for a week, it ended up using as much as Mozilla - granted, that was when it was very early in its development |
| 13:51.41 | TriKster-Abacus | oh, I dunno.. |
| 13:51.42 | EdLin | s/links/leaks/ |
| 13:51.53 | TriKster-Abacus | -g = graphical? |
| 13:51.58 | tarzeau | TriKster-Abacus: yes |
| 13:52.03 | TriKster-Abacus | when I use links/links2 I just use plain cli |
| 13:52.03 | tarzeau | jm_: that must've been very long ago |
| 13:52.18 | tarzeau | TriKster-Abacus: try -g option, it's fantastic, even without x |
| 13:52.18 | Eulex | just a warning; links2 -g gets very slow if you throw big pictures at it. |
| 13:52.21 | TriKster-Abacus | wow |
| 13:52.23 | TriKster-Abacus | k |
| 13:52.27 | EdLin | TriKster-Abacus: links2 also supports SVGA mode, but you'll have to run it as root. |
| 13:52.29 | bizkit | is there a secure way to store a passphrase on the disk and using a tool to decrypt it for later use? e.g. usin md5, twofish or sth. like this? just for ascii stuff, any suggestions? |
| 13:52.37 | TriKster-Abacus | I use the mozilla suite, but I have 1GB of ram |
| 13:52.44 | tarzeau | Eulex: how big? |
| 13:52.45 | jm_ | bizkit: try things like gpa or tkpgp |
| 13:52.50 | azeem | bizkit: gpg --encrypt |
| 13:52.53 | dfadel | i'm facing a problem with my network. I saw through tethereal about 10 ICMP REQUEST packets per second with time-to-live 1 (2 or 3). Looks like a traceroute in looping. can someone points me to a direction to solve this? |
| 13:52.57 | xoz | bizkit: pgp? |
| 13:52.59 | Eno_ | Firefox is just fine on this computer, but I'm getting an older laptop with only 256MB ram. |
| 13:53.00 | jm_ | bizkit: or use gnupg directly |
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| 13:53.00 | tarzeau | EdLin: no you can run it as user |
| 13:53.03 | azeem | well, or some frontend to it |
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| 13:53.13 | tarzeau | EdLin: with svgalib, read /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian |
| 13:53.21 | Kian|worK | xoz : id did that and the ssh-copy-id seems to have worked (no error output) but i'm still prompted for a password |
| 13:53.36 | EdLin | tarzeau: OK, thanks for the info. |
| 13:53.56 | TriKster-Abacus | Eno_, I would just give a few a try, look at maybe top and see which one uses the biggest footprint |
| 13:53.59 | Eulex | tarzeau, about 1600x1200+ |
| 13:54.05 | xoz | Kian|worK: now try ssh-agent xterm... within xterm, type ssh-add... then do ssh remote_server |
| 13:54.08 | EdLin | tarzeau: personally I use elinks for my non-firefox browsing, I don't miss the pictures but I do want ssl. |
| 13:54.09 | TriKster-Abacus | then just dpkg the one you don't want.. |
| 13:54.15 | TriKster-Abacus | the early morning hard way.. lol |
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| 13:55.58 | Kian|worK | xoz: it is a remote server with no X |
| 13:56.06 | xoz | Kian|worK: or just ssh-agent bash. then, ssh-add... after your identity is added, you can ssh to any remote machine where you exported your public key. that's the principle behind ssh-agent |
| 13:56.13 | EdLin | bbl |
| 13:56.56 | xoz | Kian|worK: it's ok as long as you have added your identity to the ssh-agent that manages your shell or session. |
| 13:56.59 | BuZzY | when i boot my pc, it stops on root filesystem check, because it says that a file has "6 multiply-claimed block(s), shared with 0 file(s)" so i can't boot linux. i don't want to delete that file, how can i solve my problem? |
| 13:58.02 | Kian|worK | xoz: i added identity ( Identity added: /root/.ssh/id_rsa (/root/.ssh/id_rsa) ) but it still prompts me for password |
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| 13:58.14 | Eno_ | links2 -g renders /. crappily :( |
| 13:58.18 | TriKster-Abacus | Kian|worK, is this a remote box, in the same room, or over the internet? |
| 13:58.42 | xoz | Kian|worK: ssh -v remote... then look where the error is |
| 13:58.51 | Kian|worK | TriKster-Abacus: both are remote over internet |
| 13:59.06 | TriKster-Abacus | ok, that blows away my next suggestion |
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| 13:59.23 | TriKster-Abacus | I dunno... either figure out what xoz is saying, or use expect, which is really cool |
| 13:59.34 | toresbe | how can I search for a file in packages using apt, again? :) |
| 13:59.44 | Eulex | Eno_, yes, because links2 does not support css. |
| 13:59.46 | TriKster-Abacus | if you setup your expect script just right, it will do everything you need in one executable file |
| 13:59.51 | Eulex | toresbe, apt-file |
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| 14:00.02 | toresbe | Eulex: thanks |
| 14:00.09 | Eulex | toresbe, yw :) |
| 14:00.18 | Kian|worK | xoz: i dont understand, there is no explicit error, it is just going from one authentication method to another so i'll juste paste bin the whole thing |
| 14:00.35 | xoz | Kian|worK: ok |
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| 14:00.51 | toresbe | hmm, damnit... I'm running an executable here, which can't find a file which is in /usr/lib... |
| 14:01.11 | TriKster-Abacus | toresbe, are your symlinks correct? |
| 14:01.19 | xoz | Kian|worK: can you try ssh to the same machine... if it asks for the password, there might be something wrong with the configuration of the ssh client. |
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| 14:01.22 | TriKster-Abacus | maybe you have a newer or older lib |
| 14:01.34 | toresbe | yes... |
| 14:01.44 | toresbe | oh, craaap |
| 14:01.45 | TriKster-Abacus | sorry, sorry, just asking |
| 14:01.54 | toresbe | never mind, it's a 32-bit binary |
| 14:01.58 | NET||abuse | HEHE, WOW, even the terminal is running smoother on debian than it did on mandrake. |
| 14:01.59 | TriKster-Abacus | you can maybe use LD_PRELOAD or whatever that syntax is |
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| 14:02.09 | Kian|worK | xoz: here is the output --> http://pastebin.ca/37547 |
| 14:02.10 | tokio_joe | if i have more than one repository in my sources.list, how can i list packages just from specified repository? |
| 14:02.12 | TriKster-Abacus | everything runs better then mandrake, lol |
| 14:02.37 | toresbe | durrr. |
| 14:02.50 | tarzeau | TriKster-Abacus: than |
| 14:02.50 | lonewolf1 | hey, i wonder if nayone can help, i am having major problems trying to use debootsrap to install 64bit etch |
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| 14:02.53 | xoz | Kian|worK: make sure ForwardAgent is yes in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 14:03.01 | TriKster-Abacus | tarzeau, sorry for my crummy grammar.. |
| 14:03.04 | azeem | lonewolf1: what's the command line you use, what is the error? |
| 14:03.21 | Kian|worK | xoz: in the source server or my target ? |
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| 14:03.34 | xoz | Kian|worK: source server. |
| 14:03.38 | Kian|worK | ok thanks |
| 14:04.01 | Kian|worK | xoz: it is commented |
| 14:04.03 | lpb-oberon | lonewolf1: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 14:04.15 | xoz | Kian|worK: what you can do is copy /etc/ssh/ssh_config ~/.ssh/config |
| 14:04.22 | lpb-oberon | debootstrap --arch amd64 sid /pure64/ http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ |
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| 14:04.31 | xoz | Kian|worK: make sure it is set to yes. |
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| 14:04.47 | xoz | Kian|worK: and remove the # |
| 14:04.52 | Kian|worK | now it is set to yes and i uncommented it |
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| 14:05.19 | xoz | ok, try again... ssh bash. ssh-add... ssh remoteserver |
| 14:05.23 | lonewolf1 | azeem: i get an error about an invalide release filoe, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 14:05.30 | lonewolf1 | lpb-oberon: thanks will read that |
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| 14:05.54 | lpb-oberon | try an other mirror |
| 14:05.58 | azeem | lonewolf1: yeah, amd64 is not on ftp.debian.org |
| 14:06.12 | lpb-oberon | hu |
| 14:06.14 | Kian|worK | xoz: still the same |
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| 14:07.07 | lpb-oberon | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ |
| 14:07.11 | lpb-oberon | there it is:) |
| 14:07.13 | xoz | Kian|worK: try in your local computer first... cat id_rsa.pub > authorize_keys ... then ssh-agent bash... ssh-add... ssh localhost |
| 14:07.18 | Zap-W | uxanyone know a test site for testing UDP transfer rate |
| 14:07.33 | tarzeau | Zap-W: oh not again |
| 14:07.52 | Zap-W | pretend i wasn't here the last time |
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| 14:08.33 | xoz | Kian|worK: i think, you must have your key managed from your local ssh-agent... so that it can forward the agent to other remove servers... you must make sure it works locally first. |
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| 14:08.44 | xoz | *remote* |
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| 14:08.59 | lonewolf1 | aha that would explain the problem, seems to be doing better now :) |
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| 14:09.07 | Kian|worK | you mean i should try on my local computer first ? |
| 14:09.14 | xoz | Kian|worK: yep. |
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| 14:09.27 | Kian|worK | oh xoz i wonder |
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| 14:09.38 | Kian|worK | i'm doing everything on the source server as root |
| 14:09.43 | kspath | I also heard there was this command xhost gee I wonder what it does |
| 14:09.50 | Kian|worK | this is what i should do i want to log as root@server ? |
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| 14:10.24 | xoz | Kian|worK: oh...try as ordinary user. ssh seems to be unfriendly with root :0 |
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| 14:10.39 | inetd | deadcat: yo |
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| 14:11.24 | tokio_joe | can I list with apt packages just from specified repository? |
| 14:11.47 | xoz | Kian|worK: when you do ssh-add.. does it ask for passphrase? |
| 14:11.53 | Kian|worK | xoz: i dont know how it works : i want to login as root ... if im' on the source server as "user" i have to generate another key ? |
| 14:12.04 | Kian|worK | xoz: no but i generated without a passphrase |
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| 14:12.49 | TriKster-Abacus | tokio_joe, the easiest way I can figure to do that is just make a sources.list for just that server and use it when you need it, backing up your original sources.list |
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| 14:12.53 | xoz | Kian|worK: you have to try with passphrase... maybe, that's why it reverts to password... because you have not passphrase. |
| 14:13.13 | TriKster-Abacus | tokio_joe, what exactly are you trying to get? |
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| 14:14.01 | KonvIRC | Hi room |
| 14:14.37 | ssp | can somebody help me with printing in debian? |
| 14:14.54 | duck2cv | only if they know whats wrong |
| 14:15.04 | tokio_joe | TriKster-Abacus: i'm not registered, so it seems, i can't send you a privmsg |
| 14:15.10 | xoz | Kian|worK: let me summarize because im gonna leave the channel. create a key with a passphrase... export identity to the authorized_keys of the remote server. enable ssh-agent bash... within this bash, ssh-add... enter passphrase... then, you should be able to ssh remotely as long as you have authenticate correctly with your passphrase during ssh-add... got to go now. |
| 14:15.28 | TriKster-Abacus | tokio_joe, just say it here |
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| 14:15.34 | wintalker | !topic |
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| 14:16.29 | TriKster-Abacus | I don't particularly (sp?) enjoy pm-ed msgs' |
| 14:16.31 | ssp | duck2cv: I have configured epson stylus cx4500 in debian, with ppd from the manufacturers site, |
| 14:16.35 | xoz | Kian|worK: and copy the ssh config in /etc/ssh/ssh_config to ~/.ssh/config... then enable Agent forwarding. |
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| 14:17.00 | xoz | Kian|worK: got it? |
| 14:17.16 | wintalker | tell me about install java |
| 14:17.18 | ssp | duck2cv: Iam able to scan, but not able to print, when I give the command,, nothing seems to be happening |
| 14:17.22 | NET||abuse | I've just finsihed the setup of my debian install, it looks like it's tried to load up X, and there's probably graphics card/monitor config issues. |
| 14:17.28 | NET||abuse | not sure how to deal with it. |
| 14:17.32 | Kian|worK | i juste tried again, did not change though i did not copy the file |
| 14:17.39 | Kian|worK | butthe forward is on |
| 14:17.48 | Kian|worK | what is the point of copying the config ? |
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| 14:17.50 | NET||abuse | bascially, what kinda config should i use on it for an old peice of junk like this machine. |
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| 14:18.08 | xoz | Kian|worK: ssh-add asked for the passphrase? this is very important. if it fails, forget it. |
| 14:18.19 | Kian|worK | it did and i entered it :) |
| 14:18.39 | xoz | Kian|worK: as an ordinary user? |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | NET||abuse: check your logs |
| 14:19.12 | Kian|worK | did it as root cause i dont understand one thing, to log from user@source to root@target i have to generate a key as user ? |
| 14:19.14 | Aronofsky | hi, Im tryin to install vsftpd with pam login but I trid everything and it still doesn't work, every time i got a login failure wheras everything in my conf seems ok, im not even sure that vsftpd use pam module wheras it should, anyone got some experience with that ? |
| 14:19.44 | jm_ | Aronofsky: it sure does |
| 14:19.47 | NET||abuse | abrotman: tried cat /var/log/messages | grep X11 |
| 14:19.50 | NET||abuse | did nothing |
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| 14:19.55 | jm_ | Aronofsky: default is to use PAM |
| 14:19.57 | tokio_joe | TriKster-Abacus: I just want to list packages without removing other repositories from sources.list |
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| 14:20.40 | TriKster-Abacus | well if a package isn't in one of the official repositories, it should list the packages from the repo you are wanting to see the packages from |
| 14:20.42 | ming_ | proftpd does not allow one user to login, why other users can? |
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| 14:20.48 | jla | I've been mildly curious about how to do that from time to time as well |
| 14:20.56 | TriKster-Abacus | but beware you are certainly opening yourself up for system breakage |
| 14:20.58 | tarzeau | ming_: which user? |
| 14:21.07 | resiak | !uuoc |
| 14:21.08 | dpkg | uuoc is probably Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 14:21.17 | ming_ | tarzeau:regular user name |
| 14:21.20 | xoz | Kian|worK: one thing at a time. make sure the ordinary user can login without password... deal with root later. you can create a key for the root and add it to your agent... you can have multiple identities... but, try as ordinary user first... user1@local vs user1@remote... not user1@local to root@remote. |
| 14:21.21 | NET||abuse | abrotman:What file should i be checking? |
| 14:21.37 | tarzeau | ming_: which user? |
| 14:21.39 | Aronofsky | jm_, yes thats what i thought, but i change my ftp/pam conf to enable db auth, everything seems ok, i read a lot of docs and i really dont get what the probleme is ... and pam doesn't seem to produce any log to help me |
| 14:21.44 | ming_ | tarzeau: thomas ? |
| 14:21.46 | tom | hello. i've got a german debian system, but i want to have it in english. so i ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and removed the german locale, but some parts are still in german. how can i make everything english? |
| 14:21.54 | wintalker | when i run totem and play a .avi file, it is wok. but give me some error message: the application totem has quit unexpectedly. what's wrong? |
| 14:21.59 | jla | it would be nice if you could do a view in aptitude or an apt-cache search of a specific repository |
| 14:22.01 | tarzeau | ming_: and he's not in /etc/ftpusers ? |
| 14:22.04 | jm_ | Aronofsky: you mean for virtual users? |
| 14:22.16 | tokio_joe | ok, my english isn't great, i probably need to explain things better |
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| 14:22.22 | ming_ | tarzeau: no |
| 14:22.35 | tokio_joe | i have (let's say) 5 repositories in sources.list |
| 14:22.37 | Aronofsky | jm_, yes |
| 14:22.38 | tarzeau | ming_: what says the ftp client ? |
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| 14:22.54 | ming_ | tarzeau:incorrect password,, |
| 14:22.57 | tokio_joe | now, i want to list packages just from repository no.2 |
| 14:23.02 | zinx | tom: LANG controls which language is displayed; the locales merely let you use a particular locale |
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| 14:23.04 | tarzeau | ming_: then the user is typing in the wrong password |
| 14:23.14 | streuner | tom: change /etc/environment |
| 14:23.19 | tom | zinx: $LANG is not set |
| 14:23.21 | tokio_joe | without removing others, and apt-get update, etc. |
| 14:23.26 | tom | streuner: thanks |
| 14:23.37 | jla | i suppose you could fetch the packages file from that repo and look at it yourself, but it would be nice if apt-cach and aptitude had access to that info |
| 14:23.41 | tom | (it was LANGUAGE="de_DE:de:en_GB:en") |
| 14:23.42 | TriKster-Abacus | tokio_joe, I dunno |
| 14:24.03 | ming_ | tarzeau:but user can use the same password to login, password is correct |
| 14:24.06 | tokio_joe | i was thinking the same, just wanted to make sure |
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| 14:24.13 | TriKster-Abacus | I have in the past just made a new sources.list and then did apt-get update |
| 14:24.20 | tarzeau | ming_: then check the ftp server logs |
| 14:24.20 | streuner | tom: you need to change that in /etc/X11/XF86Config (xfree86) too |
| 14:24.24 | TriKster-Abacus | but I don't recall why the heck I did that |
| 14:24.25 | ming_ | ok |
| 14:24.36 | streuner | tom: vice versa for xorg |
| 14:24.38 | tom | streuner: i don't have X on that machine ;) |
| 14:24.53 | tokio_joe | i was hoping there is a posibility with apt |
| 14:24.56 | jla | tokio_joe: we should file some wishlist bugs if they're not there :) |
| 14:25.03 | tokio_joe | ok, thanks for your time |
| 14:25.09 | TriKster-Abacus | sorry tokio_joe |
| 14:25.23 | ming_ | tarzeau: where proftpd store it's log file? |
| 14:25.32 | jla | maybe we should post to debian-user first to get a response from a larger group |
| 14:25.32 | tarzeau | ming_: /var/log/ |
| 14:25.51 | tom | streuner: can i just delete the file /etc/environment if i don't need it? |
| 14:26.02 | jm_ | Aronofsky: it's explained in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/EXAMPLE/VIRTUAL_USERS* |
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| 14:26.05 | Myon | tom: yes |
| 14:26.10 | tom | ok |
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| 14:26.27 | Aronofsky | jm_, yeah ; i followed that line by line ... that's why im really lost |
| 14:26.34 | tokio_joe | ok, bye! |
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| 14:26.44 | jm_ | Aronofsky: it worked fine for me |
| 14:26.55 | ssp | hi Aronofsky,,, |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | NET||abuse: the X log in /var/log/ |
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| 14:28.07 | jla | When I boot with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 I get a kernel panic about VFS being unable to mount root. The most glaring previous error is "ramdisk: romfs filesystem found at block 0 romdisk: image too big (10028/8129) blocks. |
| 14:28.12 | jm_ | Aronofsky: the trick was in using the right db tools - db3_load |
| 14:28.20 | jm_ | at least if my memory serves me well |
| 14:28.26 | Aronofsky | hi, you can help me me maybe ? |
| 14:28.34 | NET||abuse | ok, i figure it's that XFree86config is using Device "vesa" as the graphics device,and it's not meant to be vesa |
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| 14:28.49 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian package for sar? apt-cache search doesn't show one. |
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| 14:29.03 | Aronofsky | jm_, yeah i used it , here is the line : b3_load -T -t hash -f /usr/local/vsftpd/etc/virtual_users_list /usr/local/vsftpd/etc/virtual_users_list.db |
| 14:29.04 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yes, apt-cache doesn't search for filenames |
| 14:29.06 | kspath | NET||abuse: grep can be case sensitive so egrep -i is often a good idea if you do not know if something is lowercase uppercase or mixedcase |
| 14:29.09 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: homepage of sar? |
| 14:29.19 | Aronofsky | jm_, db3 ... |
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| 14:29.32 | jm_ | Aronofsky: like I said, it worked fine for me |
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| 14:29.55 | NET||abuse | kspath: problem is i havn't a clue what i'm even looking for... ;S grubmle |
| 14:29.56 | smoser | sorry for the possible FAQ. I built ffmpeg with 'apt-get source --compile', and the resultant deb has the same version (according to dpkg -I) as the upstream one. |
| 14:30.01 | NET||abuse | i see a few Warnings |
| 14:30.11 | Aronofsky | jm_, is there any way to get any log from pam ? |
| 14:30.11 | NET||abuse | oddly it says vesa device found, Intel 810 chipset |
| 14:30.14 | SerajewelKS | jm_: well i figured 'apt-cache search sar' would show *something* related to sar |
| 14:30.21 | abrotman | NET||abuse: look for EE lines |
| 14:30.22 | NET||abuse | it's the mouse that it scewed up at |
| 14:30.31 | smoser | that was expected, but apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade it. |
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| 14:30.42 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: as long as package description mentiones it, yes - in this case that's not true |
| 14:30.46 | TriKster-Abacus | it might be using /dev/mouse instead of say /dev/input/mice |
| 14:30.54 | TriKster-Abacus | man X |
| 14:30.58 | smoser | i know that I can 'hold' the package at my current version, but I didn't think that I would have to. |
| 14:30.59 | jm_ | Aronofsky: most PAM modules support debug option |
| 14:31.01 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 14:31.05 | jla | tSerajewlKS sysstat maybe? |
| 14:31.07 | resiak | ... |
| 14:31.08 | SerajewelKS | jm_: well if it's sar.. i mean... |
| 14:31.13 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it should mention sar ;) |
| 14:31.22 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: it's not ... :) |
| 14:31.25 | Aronofsky | jm_, and where should i precise that ? |
| 14:31.34 | jm_ | Aronofsky: pam.d/vsftpd of course |
| 14:31.40 | TriKster-Abacus | ok, back to bed |
| 14:32.16 | jla | SerajewlKS it's sysstat. Harder to find 'cause apt-cache search sar finds a lot :) |
| 14:32.58 | smoser | anyone know why apt wants to upgrade me to the same version that I have? |
| 14:33.34 | jm_ | smoser: are you sure it's the same? |
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| 14:33.47 | jla | smoser: just a stab, maybe because it's not the same - there may be some -xyz off the edge of the screen |
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| 14:34.03 | jm_ | indeed |
| 14:34.25 | bibe | hi all. I am modifying a file (/etc/myfile.conf) as a normal user (bibe) with 'sudo vi /etc/myfile.conf'. I can edit it but, when saving and exiting (with :x) I receive an error (E138: Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo!). As 'sudo ls -l $HOME/.viminfo' says "-rw------- 1 bibe bibe 9822 2006-01-20 14:57 /home/bibe/.viminfo", I don't know why I have this warning. Where can I check? |
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| 14:35.16 | Aronofsky | jm_, i did it but there is nothing, neither in messages.log nor in auth.log ? |
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| 14:35.39 | jla | bibe I would expect sudo vi <blah> to run that command as root, who should be able to clobber about any pref file. Is sudo set to run as another user? |
| 14:35.43 | jm_ | Aronofsky: some info is logged by default, debug often provides more info |
| 14:36.01 | jla | not a solution but as a workaround you could try sudoedit |
| 14:36.24 | jla | bibe maybe $HOME is /root |
| 14:36.26 | jm_ | bibe: that's pretty useless error :) |
| 14:36.36 | Aronofsky | jm_, but I got nothing anywhere, even with debug options , where are those logs ? |
| 14:36.38 | bibe | jla : no, I always use it in the standard way, i.e. as root |
| 14:36.42 | ssp | Iam not able to get output from my printer, the scanner unit is working fine, the model is epson stylus cx4500 |
| 14:36.47 | jm_ | Aronofsky: did you restart vsftpd? |
| 14:37.15 | bibe | jla : sudo $HOME is /home/bibe |
| 14:37.20 | Aronofsky | jm_, yes I did |
| 14:37.42 | jla | bibe: my favorite is using sudo aptitude before I use aptitude, and then having my normal ~/.aptitude stuff owned by root so my next normal aptitude complains about file permissions |
| 14:37.44 | jm_ | Aronofsky: that should work then, check PAM docs to see if debug option is valid for your particular module(s) |
| 14:37.54 | smoser | my two versions are the same: |
| 14:37.56 | smoser | dpkg -I ffmpeg_0.cvs20050918-4ubuntu1_i386.deb | grep Version |
| 14:37.57 | smoser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.27 | smoser | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.27 | smoser | Inst ffmpeg [3:0.cvs20050918-4ubuntu1] (3:0.cvs20050918-4ubuntu1 Ubuntu:5.10/breezy) |
| 14:38.40 | bibe | jla : I did a 'sudo chown -R bibe: ~bibe/.aptitude' after doing the same file |
| 14:38.48 | bibe | s/file/thing/ |
| 14:38.51 | jla | me too |
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| 14:39.10 | abrotman | smoser: #ubuntu ? |
| 14:39.10 | kspath | !ubuntu |
| 14:39.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 14:39.47 | jla | bibe: i've not seen that error though and I sudo vim file a lot more than I remember to sudoedit it, so I'm no help. sorry |
| 14:40.07 | smoser | yes, i know. but i figured someone would tell me right away. thanks for the help. |
| 14:40.26 | NET||abuse | yay, stupid, just the device needed to be set with Driver "i810" |
| 14:40.30 | NET||abuse | thanks for suggestions |
| 14:40.31 | jm_ | looks the same as far as dpkg goes, perhaps pinning is involved |
| 14:40.31 | bibe | jla : no problem... |
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| 14:41.14 | Aronofsky | jm_, it seems debug option is valid |
| 14:41.20 | erwin | helllo |
| 14:41.28 | inetd | vim question....if you record a macro can you apply the macro to line 1-20 say? |
| 14:41.32 | jm_ | Aronofsky: yeah it is valid for pretty much most of the modules |
| 14:41.43 | Thanatermesis | any person has experienced MEMLEAKS on xorg from ETCH ? (after 2 or 3 days without restart X, i have more than 1 GB used by the RAM and swap, liberated after restart X, and a reload of the WM needs more than 5 minutes working hardly the hard disk) |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | MEMLEAKS on ETCH?!!?! RAM! GB! WM! |
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| 14:42.17 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: did you check the BTS? |
| 14:42.42 | Skrot | How do I search for a certain file with apt-cache? Since packages.debian.org is down |
| 14:42.53 | beardy | !search |
| 14:42.54 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 14:42.55 | abrotman | Skrot: apt-file |
| 14:42.58 | Aronofsky | jm_, where are pam logs for you ? |
| 14:43.01 | kspath | apt-cache seach file |
| 14:43.07 | Thanatermesis | nope abrotman, because i don't know from where find it, i only think to are from xorg but.. exist very packages of xorg |
| 14:43.10 | kspath | devtags show file |
| 14:43.16 | jm_ | Aronofsky: they go into standard logfiles, just like other PAM messages |
| 14:43.22 | Skrot | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:43.24 | kspath | debtags show file argh |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg .. might be a good place to start |
| 14:43.45 | Thanatermesis | let me check... |
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| 14:44.46 | bhl | hello. Im trying to configure a dns server (bind) and I have a doubt. At line MX, I have to configure with ip of POP server or SMTP server? |
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| 14:45.21 | nerdy2 | MX is the Mail eXchange, i.e. the machine which will receive mail for you |
| 14:45.31 | nerdy2 | it should be an SMTP server |
| 14:45.36 | Aronofsky | jm_, what is this file ? |
| 14:45.38 | petemc | bhl: you dont use an ip for a mx, you use an a record |
| 14:46.08 | jm_ | Aronofsky: /var/log/syslog by default |
| 14:46.09 | abrotman | bhl: smtp .. ask #dns also |
| 14:46.24 | abrotman | petemc: you can .. but it's not a good idea :) |
| 14:46.29 | ming_ | how can i logout all loged in user? |
| 14:46.33 | petemc | abrotman: no, you really cant |
| 14:46.35 | bhl | nerdy2, i'll try |
| 14:46.38 | bhl | thanks :) |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | petemc: i'm pretty sure you can |
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| 14:47.10 | abrotman | petemc: i have no idea why you would . but i believe it is legal |
| 14:47.16 | petemc | abrotman: most mtas these days wont deliver to it by default, you have to explicitly tell them to |
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| 14:47.34 | abrotman | petemc: aha .. spam blocking technique! |
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| 14:47.46 | Aronofsky | jm_, got nothing in here, there really is something wrong here, im really lost |
| 14:47.58 | jm_ | Aronofsky: sorry, I have to go now |
| 14:47.58 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
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| 14:49.27 | ming_ | is there any way I can logout all login users? to delete their account? |
| 14:49.54 | bemor | kill there login process:) |
| 14:49.59 | bemor | their |
| 14:50.24 | fireba11 | ming_: change runlevel to single user mode ? |
| 14:50.34 | bhl | petemc, could I use "@ IN MX 5 smtp" and "smtp IN A <ip-smtp-server>" ? |
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| 14:50.44 | ming_ | fireball,how do i do that |
| 14:50.50 | bizkit | when i start an ssh-agent and add a key, it asks me for the passphrase and stores the open privkey in the ram for later use with programs that may access the agent pid. is there a similar way to ask for a passphrase on startup of a bash script and store it as an environment var (usable just for child processes)? what about read MYVAR, enter the pass and then do an export $MYVAR, is it a good idea or quite unsafe? |
| 14:51.12 | abrotman | bhl: as petemc said .. it's a REALLY bad idea to use an IP there .. |
| 14:51.46 | bemor | fireba11: that´s dirty:) |
| 14:51.51 | bhl | hmm.. i'll check this |
| 14:51.58 | bhl | abrotman, thank you too |
| 14:52.01 | Myon | bizkit: the environment is usually considered insecure |
| 14:52.02 | fireba11 | bemor: but prevents ppl from logging in again |
| 14:52.04 | bemor | ming_: type init 2 |
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| 14:52.14 | rubic | my /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci is missing. where to quickly download? |
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| 14:52.40 | smoser | bizkit, if you're looking for a solution to have all your sessions use the same ssh agent, see keychain. |
| 14:52.41 | [tricky] | Hey! A couple of years back i used debian/unstable for ~2 years. I really liked it but i used two fat 32 partiotions that was overwritten two times in one year and that made me dispart from debian (and linux). Ive made some attempts to rejoin but due to school work ive not really had the time. I recently tried debian/stable and i really liked it. My question is this: Unstable does no longer go under unstable but testing instead? Wich d |
| 14:52.46 | ming_ | bemor: will ssh allow incomming connection then? |
| 14:52.53 | bemor | change /bin/bash to /bin/nologin in passwd for every user:) |
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| 14:53.19 | smoser | i wouldn't think putting passwords in environment is the *most* secure thing in the world, but its probably better than putting them plaintext in world readable files. |
| 14:53.20 | beardy | [tricky]: No, unstable is unstable, testing is testing. /msg dpkg releases |
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| 14:53.29 | ming_ | bemor:i am ssh into the server now, init2 will disable ssh? |
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| 14:54.10 | cyzie | i have installed debian using a highend monitor, now when i shift to the old monitor, it does not show GUI, though X is running. how do i reconfigure the monitor setting in Xorg? |
| 14:54.12 | fireba11 | bemor: also a way :-) |
| 14:54.25 | petemc | bhl: if you have an A record of mail.domain.com, then use IN MX 5 mail.domain.com |
| 14:54.28 | bizkit | Myon: i'm just going to do automated backups using duplicity (which encrypts backups afterwards using gnupg to store encrypted backups on the remote side), it asks for a gnupg passphrase to use for the conventional symmetric encryption, however it can read PASSPHRASE from the environment. so i'd have to write down my gnupg passhprase for my backups in any cron script, that's bad |
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| 14:54.41 | cbr | which package has the Tahoma font in Debian? |
| 14:54.41 | xiaogil | Is there a pastebin to put screenshots on the web ? |
| 14:54.43 | [tricky] | beardy how about security in the different branches then? |
| 14:54.47 | tziku | hello , i create ftp server (with vsftpd apt-get install vsftpd) and i can't login on my ftp server is't accept any user and passowrd... |
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| 14:55.01 | bhl | petemc, ok |
| 14:55.06 | Myon | bizkit: hmm, encrypting shouldn't need a passphrase at all |
| 14:55.17 | Eulex | has there been some change in how the security team operates? micheal stone has begun to issue dsa's |
| 14:55.35 | Myon | bizkit: only if you use a symmetric cypher |
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| 14:55.55 | jla | maybe he's signing too? |
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| 14:56.10 | Myon | bizkit: I don't use duplicity, but something sounds wrong there |
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| 14:56.19 | HMF | hello... does anyone has ever installed sarge on a compaq smart array hard drive computer? |
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| 14:56.38 | SlayerXP | HMF: no, you are the first person to ever attempt it. |
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| 14:56.45 | Myon | bhl: don't forget the trailing . |
| 14:56.47 | bizkit | Myon: what about creating an own gnupg key and using this one (instead of symmetric enryption?) |
| 14:56.54 | HMF | SlayerXP i say here @ the channel .. |
| 14:56.55 | HMF | :| |
| 14:57.03 | Myon | bizkit: that's what I though you were doing ;) |
| 14:57.10 | petemc | Myon: ah, oops, good catch |
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| 14:57.36 | ming_ | will SSH server running at init 2? |
| 14:57.37 | bhl | Myon, sure :) |
| 14:57.53 | Myon | that . ranks as #1 to #1953 of the most-often-made bind errors ;) |
| 14:58.03 | Gathond | ming_: if its installed and you haven't changed it yes |
| 14:58.07 | bhl | ehehe |
| 14:58.09 | HMF | installer cannot find the hard drive, it does not recognize the smart array controller |
| 14:58.12 | bizkit | Myon: yeah, it needs --encrypt-key <key> there, where <key> is the 8 char hex string of the key.. are you into it? quick idea howto create a key and get the hex id? |
| 14:58.26 | Myon | gpg -k tells you |
| 14:58.33 | bizkit | thanks |
| 14:58.34 | HMF | does anyone knows what args and drivers should i give the boot in order to detect? |
| 14:59.18 | Myon | ming_: runlevel 2 is Debian's default |
| 14:59.25 | Myon | and per default, all levels are the same |
| 14:59.29 | Myon | so yes, ssh does run |
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| 15:00.14 | kspath | hehehe who -r works in linux never tried that |
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| 15:00.48 | kspath | well likely I did a few times over the years but I do not remember doing it |
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| 15:01.23 | Myon | interesting |
| 15:01.47 | Shadur | relic: That's kind of rude. |
| 15:01.49 | kspath | sometimes linux feels so systemV ish other times so BSDish |
| 15:01.59 | relic | sorry |
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| 15:02.03 | kspath | Shadur: it is ok |
| 15:02.06 | relic | so sorry |
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| 15:02.21 | troop | hi.how can i look my iptables |
| 15:02.25 | troop | what is the command ? |
| 15:02.30 | SerajewelKS | kspath: pinging the channel is ok? |
| 15:02.30 | bbrazil | troop: iptables -L |
| 15:02.31 | pureone | iptables --list -n |
| 15:02.37 | troop | thank you very much |
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| 15:02.50 | relic | !tell me about OMFG |
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| 15:03.00 | azeem | relic: please /msg the bot |
| 15:03.05 | kspath | SerajewelKS: oh no sorry did not notice it was whole channel thought it was only me |
| 15:03.08 | zignig | bleh! |
| 15:03.21 | relic | see |
| 15:03.21 | azeem | kspath: right, and we /knew/ he was just pinging you |
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| 15:03.41 | SerajewelKS | kspath: meh i've done it before by mistake too |
| 15:03.52 | kspath | I accidently did the whole channel the other day logic error/typo/braino |
| 15:04.09 | pureone | if you type /ping in irssi it will ping the whole channel.... |
| 15:04.17 | kspath | azeem: I do not always read everything and I am not always fully alert |
| 15:04.21 | pureone | xchat will ping the server |
| 15:04.23 | SerajewelKS | pureone: yep, i did that after using xchat for a while |
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| 15:05.44 | Aronofsky | really got trouble tryin to use vsftpd with pam, i modif the pam config to auth using pam_userdb.so only, but my virtual users are always rejected whereas local user can always login , im really lost , i followed the instructions and everything seems ok ... moreover pam doesn't produce any log, i have the impression the pam isn't used at all by vsftp but i dont get why ? |
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| 15:07.21 | kspath | some people forget though it matters not a whole lot these days that linux is quite new and debian is quite GNU |
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| 15:08.54 | Ungy | kspath was that suppossed to be funny? |
| 15:09.07 | [tricky] | If im i whant a secure system can i use stable i my computer is online 24/7? |
| 15:09.31 | relic | who knows? |
| 15:09.46 | kspath | Ungy: no, actually. It was supposed to be a truism. |
| 15:09.53 | Ungy | [tricky], secure is what you make it but in comparison with defaults of oher operating systems yes it is pretty secure |
| 15:09.57 | yopi | is make into the gcc package? |
| 15:10.07 | yopi | (I used dpkg bot with no success) |
| 15:10.14 | Ungy | [tricky], but anythign connected to the net is vunerable |
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| 15:10.27 | azeem | yopi: no, make is in the make packge |
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| 15:10.45 | yopi | azeem : of course... thx |
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| 15:11.28 | [tricky] | Ungy but how about Stable VS unstable - is there as many security updates availabe just as fast for stable? |
| 15:11.39 | kspath | [tricky]: security is going to be related to your knowledge and experience. Stable is an ok base. I completely agree with Ungy. |
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| 15:12.49 | Fubarovic | how can i play .mpc files in debian sarge? i installed the libmpcdec3 and libmpcdec-dev packages from backports, but when i use mpg123 i just get to see the tagcontents, the file isn't played |
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| 15:13.54 | kspath | [tricky]: build it offline and secure it then audit/probe it until you think you are satisfied that it is as secure as you can get it while still making it useful |
| 15:13.57 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: mpc123 not mpg123 |
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| 15:14.19 | Ungy | [tricky], it can be as secure as you can make it if you need to rely upon others for your security it will nto be complete or even close to it but you will be relativly secure if you use stable unless somoene has a real interest in comming after you for something you have done I do not see that security being compromised |
| 15:14.20 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: and it's not in sarge |
| 15:14.28 | Fubarovic | Bucciarati, and how can i make mpd play mpc? |
| 15:14.40 | Fubarovic | according to the mpdwiki it should work as soon as you have the libs |
| 15:14.50 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: mpd cannot play mpc i think ? |
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| 15:15.22 | [tricky] | Thanks Ungy and kspath! Most satisfying answers! |
| 15:15.23 | limpio | In addition to 'build essential' what other package do i neet to compile an application? |
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| 15:15.29 | bizkit | Myon: i just created a key using --gen-key on my local machine, any hint what i have to do to get it into remote and be able to use it there? --export seems to only export the public one? i'm new to this |
| 15:15.34 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: "apt-cache rdepends libmpcdec3" and you will see all programs that support mpc |
| 15:15.44 | Fubarovic | thx |
| 15:16.08 | Myon | bizkit: as long as duplicity doesn't need to decrypt stuff, it only needs the pubkey |
| 15:16.35 | bizkit | Myon: well i need do decrypt on restore, later? |
| 15:16.57 | kspath | [tricky]: layer your security, try to use every security feature you can. try to use security features in your servers/applications AND tcpwrappers AND firewall(s) make lists of all security features that you can possibly use and test each one as you add them |
| 15:16.58 | DimmuR | I've some question about dvb cards. I've installed VisionPlus card but no /dev/dvb folder (and frontend devices) are created - is it possible because i haven't connected card to converter yet? |
| 15:16.59 | Myon | yes, but you don't restore unattended |
| 15:17.00 | nano- | What's up with dbus packages in Unstable. Couldn't find anything on debian-users ml. |
| 15:17.04 | Fubarovic | from mpd's featurelist: Plays MP3, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, MP4/AAC, Mod, Musepack, and wave files |
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| 15:18.01 | bizkit | Myon: that's right, but i'd like to have everything i need on this machine since i just created it here to get enough random data into /dev/random.. |
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| 15:18.45 | kspath | [tricky]: document it all and make sure that documentation isnt sitting on some silly windows machine share : OMG I have seen that happen, security infrastructure info sitting in a windows share |
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| 15:18.53 | mz_work | nano-: i have these dbus pkgs installed - it just takes a little doing |
| 15:18.55 | mz_work | http://pastebin.com/514651 |
| 15:19.11 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: "ldd /usr/bin/mpd" |
| 15:19.20 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: you see it's not linked to libmpcdec3 |
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| 15:20.32 | Fubarovic | can i link it to libmpcdec, Bucciarati ? |
| 15:20.48 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: and my mpd doesn't show what you wrote ??!? |
| 15:20.58 | Fubarovic | the featurelist? |
| 15:21.02 | Fubarovic | it's from teh mpdwiki |
| 15:21.02 | Bucciarati | yes |
| 15:21.16 | Fubarovic | http://mpd.wikicities.com/wiki/Features |
| 15:21.18 | relic | .depends nmap |
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| 15:21.43 | Bucciarati | hah you have to look at the debian description for the debian-packaged-program capabilities |
| 15:21.44 | nano- | mz_work: Care to elaborate on that? It says http://pastebin.com/514655 here. |
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| 15:22.04 | Fubarovic | it's not compiled with mpc-support, you mean ? |
| 15:22.25 | mz_work | nano-: the link doesn't work? |
| 15:22.27 | Bucciarati | yes i think that is the problem |
| 15:22.36 | Fubarovic | damnit :/ |
| 15:22.41 | Fubarovic | is it hard to rebuild a package? |
| 15:22.52 | bbrazil | Fubarovic: pretty simple |
| 15:22.55 | nano- | mz_work: http://pastebin.com/514655 |
| 15:23.25 | bbrazil | Fubarovic: download the debian sources, alter the debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 15:23.46 | Fubarovic | dpkg is used for building packages? |
| 15:23.47 | Fubarovic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.15 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: i think the debian package (version 0.11.5-5.1 in sid) doesn't support musepack |
| 15:24.55 | mz_work | nano-: hmm not sure - I don;t recall having those issues |
| 15:25.06 | mz_work | on 3 differnt boxes |
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| 15:25.40 | xnor | Does anyone know of some free recovery program to recover a ext3 volume? |
| 15:25.44 | Bucciarati | i mean: the version that is packaged doesn't support it |
| 15:25.45 | Ketter | Kewl question.. is there a mobile phone out in the open that has the possibility to sync with a OpenOffice or StarOffice that's running on linux ? |
| 15:25.53 | Fubarovic | yeah i get it :) |
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| 15:25.56 | Mike | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ <- is this guide correct? Im following it but i get no deb file |
| 15:25.56 | Fubarovic | i apt-got the source |
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| 15:26.07 | Fubarovic | i'll check how to build it with mpc support now |
| 15:26.24 | Fubarovic | --with-mpc probably :D |
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| 15:28.56 | coolpix | oi |
| 15:29.17 | zignig | coolpix: oi |
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| 15:29.43 | somePriest | Hi. I'm using Xfree86 in Unstable. Over the last few months I've apt-get upgrade'd without issue, all the while running Xfree happily. I had to reboot the other day (power went out), and when I tried to run startx the screen went completely black, and Xfree never started. I tried doing CTR+alt+F1, but that did not return me to console. ALT+F1 was no help either. DId something major change in Xfree? |
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| 15:30.17 | Myon | somePriest: yes, it's gone :) |
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| 15:30.26 | J_P | hi all |
| 15:30.26 | Myon | there's X.org now |
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| 15:30.53 | somePriest | Myon : What do you mean, its gone? It was installed previous. Does an upgrade remove the old package, and not replace it with anything? |
| 15:30.58 | thingfish | maker's mark is good stuff. |
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| 15:31.12 | Myon | there's no XFree86 anymore (maintained) in unstable |
| 15:31.17 | amee2k | hi all |
| 15:31.21 | relic | hi |
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| 15:31.25 | Myon | if you didn't know that, you are probably better off using stable |
| 15:31.29 | somePriest | Myon : Why would aptitude leave it in a broken state? |
| 15:31.43 | Flogiston | how do i restart apache2? |
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| 15:31.54 | Myon | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:31.55 | amee2k | are there any good reasons not to use the 2.6 kernel for a new installation on x86_32 ? |
| 15:31.55 | bibe | Flogiston : /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:32.02 | zignig | Flogiston: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ? |
| 15:32.14 | redguy | Flogiston: invoke-rc.d apache2 restart ? |
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| 15:32.23 | amee2k | it's a dell latitude laptop with P-III/1GHz |
| 15:32.38 | zignig | bibe: damn you and your nimble fingers :P |
| 15:32.40 | Flogiston | apache2 restart didn't work |
| 15:32.53 | zignig | Flogiston: kill -9 1 |
| 15:32.56 | zignig | ? |
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| 15:33.11 | somePriest | Myon : I use unstable because I don't like using 1 year old broken packages :) Example, Gaim. Use it in stable and every X many months it doesn't work because MSN has changed their server side protocol or something. |
| 15:33.15 | bibe | zignig : :) |
| 15:33.20 | Flogiston | now i worked. |
| 15:33.24 | Myon | somePriest: backports.org |
| 15:33.26 | zignig | bibe: mwuahhaahhaha |
| 15:33.31 | Fubarovic | wtf, building debian packages involves editing their Makefile ? |
| 15:33.41 | bibe | zignig : but Myon was even quicker than us |
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| 15:33.54 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: not the Makefile, but debian/rules |
| 15:33.54 | usual | How can I enable fortunes and motd on login? |
| 15:34.01 | Myon | tab completion++ :) |
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| 15:34.05 | zignig | bibe: zoooomph , s/he must be a bot. |
| 15:34.19 | somePriest | Myon : I'm told that's dangerous. That when there is the next freeze/release, you can run into problems if you've used backports, or if you've been installing from source of unstable packages in stable. |
| 15:34.19 | J_P | how I do for know what are packages contents in each debian sarge cd ? |
| 15:34.19 | Fubarovic | hm, do you have a guide on that Bucciarati ? i'm looking at "Debian new maintainer's guide" right now |
| 15:34.34 | Bucciarati | hm debian/rules is usually a Makefile :) |
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| 15:34.51 | Bucciarati | the mpd one isn't hard to edit, but i see no mpc support |
| 15:34.52 | Myon | somePriest: backports.org is ok, definitely safer than using unstable |
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| 15:35.21 | Fubarovic | oooh, i get it now Bucciarati :) |
| 15:35.25 | amee2k | no one? |
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| 15:35.32 | Fubarovic | i didn't know debian/rules was a file a dir :) |
| 15:35.58 | amee2k | good. then I'll go for 2.6 :) |
| 15:35.58 | Bucciarati | Fubarovic: that means: either wait for a new version of the package, or annoy the maintainer to release one soon, or create your package from the bare mpd sources |
| 15:36.27 | Fubarovic | with the last option, do you mean edit debian/rules ? or create a whole now package from scratch? |
| 15:36.32 | Fubarovic | now = new |
| 15:36.50 | Bucciarati | i mean create new one from scratch, since you need a newer version of the upstream sources |
| 15:36.57 | Fubarovic | damn :/ |
| 15:37.19 | somePriest | Myon : Why doesn't Debian do it the FreeBSD way, separate the OS from the packages? So you can have a stable OS, but up to date packages? ie: MySQL released version 5.0 to stable well before Debian ever will (its still Unstable in Debian right?) |
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| 15:37.30 | relic | !help |
| 15:37.37 | Myon | somePriest: backports.org |
| 15:37.45 | relic | sorry |
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| 15:38.06 | zignig | bleh! |
| 15:38.12 | relic | :( |
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| 15:38.32 | somePriest | Myon : I know, backports.org seems like such an afterthought though. |
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| 15:41.32 | Ungy | with exim4 where can i specify where to forward the root messages to? |
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| 15:41.55 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, because you can't really separate the OS from the packages. |
| 15:42.08 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : In Linux specifically? |
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| 15:42.49 | tzafrir_laptop | In Debian the OS is the complete system. The base system of the BSDs does not even include KDE/gnome |
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| 15:43.04 | zignig | oops wrong /command |
| 15:43.23 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Is that a good design? The OS encompassing everything that is. |
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| 15:43.42 | somePriest | What are this designs advantages? |
| 15:43.55 | olarva | AVE! |
| 15:44.14 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, one of the atvantages of this design is that I can keep a Stable server up-to-date with daily crons, and know it won't break |
| 15:44.15 | bibe | hi all. I upgraded sudo to version 1.6.8p7-1.3 from Debian security. Since then, I have a "E138: Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo!" error every time I exit from a 'sudo vi <file>'. The changelog says "Reverse the environment semantic by forcing users to maintain a whitelist". Should I file a bug to BTS, or is it something due to the new semantic? |
| 15:44.15 | Ungy | somePriest, everythign can be hnadled the same way |
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| 15:44.50 | Ungy | somePriest, you can have a package management system and set guidelines to be followed |
| 15:45.36 | Ungy | anyone know where I can change root to mail to another address in Exim? |
| 15:45.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Ungy, /etc/aliases ? |
| 15:46.10 | Ungy | tzafrir_laptop, it reads that file? |
| 15:46.14 | Ungy | ok |
| 15:46.19 | tzafrir_laptop | postfix does |
| 15:46.48 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Is stable guaranteed never to break anything? What happens in the next freeze, when Xfree no longer exists? Will in stable it auto installs Xorg in its place? |
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| 15:47.23 | fatal__ | somePriest: there will be transition packages that depends on xorg... |
| 15:47.29 | Myon | somePriest: that's why you use codenames and not "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:47.39 | Ungy | somePriest, the design will be taken care of |
| 15:47.55 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, don't go to court with that guarantee. You have just seen above an example of a small breakage. However there is an attempt not to break anything in Stable. |
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| 15:48.32 | tzafrir_laptop | Making the migration from current Stable to the next one as simple as possible is also a design goal |
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| 15:49.01 | somePriest | Myon : Why use codenames in sources.list? To upgrade from one to the other you'd add the new codename, update/upgrade, then remove the old codename? |
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| 15:49.11 | Myon | yes |
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| 15:49.23 | Myon | so the upgrade only happens when you want it |
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| 15:49.36 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, You can use either "stable" or "sarge" |
| 15:49.45 | somePriest | Myon : Ok, that makes sense. |
| 15:50.03 | tzafrir_laptop | It is nicert to use "sarge" if you installed the system before it was called "stable" |
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| 15:50.35 | tzafrir_laptop | Or if you want it not to auto-upgrade when Etch will become Stable |
| 15:51.15 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Does a single page on debian.org list all the current codenames? I know they're referenced a lot, but I don't know that I've seen a single source for them. |
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| 15:52.38 | tzafrir_laptop | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html |
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| 15:52.52 | abrotman | !releases |
| 15:52.52 | dpkg | releases is, like, see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 15:52.52 | lord_rob | Hi ! "dpkg -D100 -i xserver-xorg-6.9.0.deb" says "D000100: setupvnamevbs main=`/usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libglx.so.xlibmesa' tmp=`/usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libglx.so.xlibmesa.dpkg-tmp' new=`/usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libglx.so.xlibmesa.dpkg-new'" then "unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so': No such file or directory". This is normal as I have uninstalled nvidia-glx. How can I fix the problem ? |
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| 15:53.05 | abrotman | !release history |
| 15:53.06 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 15:53.16 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, see also the faq from the topic: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:53.45 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : How does one determine from this page alone if its stable, testing, or unstable tree? |
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| 15:54.11 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, what is "it"? |
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| 15:54.31 | znoG | hi. how do I find out which package a file belongs to? (a package NOT installed) |
| 15:54.49 | znoG | qobject.h is the file, btw (certainly one of the QT packages, but I'm not sure which) |
| 15:55.03 | tzafrir_laptop | dpkg -S /apth/to/file |
| 15:55.03 | dpkg | Package: /apth/to/file: Status: install ok installed |
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| 15:55.04 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Any of the codenames. It doesn't really tell the current state. |
| 15:55.05 | goron | What disassemblers are there for Debian? |
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| 15:55.08 | lord_rob | znoG: apt-file I think |
| 15:55.16 | vumba | hello,I do not know which appliance it is mouse touch pad for laptop? |
| 15:56.05 | tzafrir_laptop | znoG, dpkg -S /path/to/file #try also simply dpkg -S file, if "file" is unique enough |
| 15:56.37 | znoG | the package is NOT installed |
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| 15:56.55 | znoG | i need to find out where the file is in the apt-cache listing so I can install it |
| 15:57.04 | tzafrir_laptop | somePriest, Sarge is Stable. previus one (Woody) is still "old-stable". Older ones are obsolete |
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| 15:57.32 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Is there a page that tells the current development tree that each codename falls into? |
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| 15:58.03 | lord_rob | znoG: did you try apt-file ? |
| 15:58.10 | vumba | hello,I do not know which appliance it is mouse touch pad for laptop... please few help?... |
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| 15:58.26 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : ...for both Unstable and Stable |
| 15:58.32 | stew | vumba: /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 15:58.58 | nano- | mz_work: purge+force dbus-1 and installed dbus worked well ;) |
| 15:59.10 | tzafrir_laptop | Sid always refers to Unstable. Etch is the current Testing. When the time comes, Etch will become the new Stable and Sarge will be obsoleted. I'm afraid I somehow miss your misunderstanding |
| 15:59.11 | znoG | lord_rob: im just installing that now |
| 15:59.24 | Nirgal | People hi! I rebooted today and now my tv card is loaded without the options of /etc/modules (bttv card=1 automute=0). Syslog repports "bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected]". I'm a bit lost with udev, where should I put the module options?? |
| 15:59.52 | znoG | Nirgal: in /etc/modprobe.d/ maybe? |
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| 16:00.07 | znoG | /etc/modules.conf actually |
| 16:00.32 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Its clear now. |
| 16:00.40 | znoG | echo "options bttv card=1 automute=0" >> /etc/modules.conf |
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| 16:01.02 | vumba | stew, i dont understand...:( |
| 16:01.22 | znoG | Nirgal: check if you have a /etc/modutils directory |
| 16:02.03 | znoG | Nirgal: if you do, you might want to do: echo "options bttv card=1 automute=0" > /etc/modutils/tvcard instead |
| 16:02.33 | mrvnr | znoG: If it weren't down, you could search on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:02.46 | znoG | mrvnr: heh yep i tried that, but.. as you said .. down |
| 16:02.47 | stew | vumba: i don't understand either, can you be more specific about what you want to know? |
| 16:02.52 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Given this "the OS is every package" concept, I suppose Debian is intended for servers only really (or people who are super anal about solid desktops)? |
| 16:03.14 | znoG | i use debian as my desktop |
| 16:03.29 | znoG | and I don't think I'm anal about my desktop |
| 16:04.12 | Nirgal | znoG: thx, rebooting remote router now :) |
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| 16:04.27 | znoG | i think you're rejecting debian simply because you don't know how to drive it |
| 16:04.33 | znoG | and by your attitude, you're not too keen to either |
| 16:04.34 | somePriest | znoG : I merely meant that without backports, Debian stable uses really old technologies. Some of which, which rely on 3rd party services, may not even work anymore. |
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| 16:04.55 | somePriest | znoG : I have used Debian for ages, and have it installed currently. |
| 16:04.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Basically the same. If you have to run 100 desktops, you may want something stable rather than featurefull. |
| 16:05.03 | znoG | ok then, just seemed by your comment that you don-t use it. |
| 16:05.26 | somePriest | znoG : I use it. I host my web server off it. |
| 16:05.50 | tzafrir_laptop | Normally "desktop" implies your personal desktop in your personal system, to which you dedicate much administration time. |
| 16:06.27 | tzafrir_laptop | Thus you usually don't care having it less stable because you'll be there to pick the pieces when it breaks. |
| 16:06.30 | somePriest | tzafrir_laptop : Much time? Pssh, I work all day on PCs, when I get home I just want two things: 1. For it to work how I expect, when I expect 2. For it not to frustrate me |
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| 16:06.45 | vumba | stew, |
| 16:06.46 | vumba | I have put in laptop,the Gnu/Linux Debian Sarge 3.1 and do not see my mouse touch...? |
| 16:07.26 | Prudhvi | what are the packges for etch that enable vhost redirect for Apache? |
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| 16:09.28 | sfr | Hi! I just installed OOo.org 2 on Debian testing, the installation via apt-get worked seamlessly. Starting OOo.org works too, but I can't create new documents: File -> New doesn't list the usual alternatives (create text document, create spreadsheet etc.). Is the the correct channel for this kind of questions? Thanks very much! |
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| 16:10.07 | somePriest | Games are a major part of today's PC enconomy, I believe. Will Linux ever push to get better support? What is required for that? I'd love to play World of Warcraft on Debian. |
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| 16:11.06 | chorse | somePriest: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3518 |
| 16:11.20 | mrvnr | I'm having a problem with g++: code using std::filebuf fails to compile with g++-4.0 and g++-3.3, but works with g++-2.95. |
| 16:11.23 | abrotman | somePriest: http://happypenguin.org |
| 16:11.26 | TNKS | hi. Can someone help me understand why chroot's permissions allow non-root users to execute it? Is this just a silly relaxation by the package (assuming chroot is secure)? Or is there any way a non-root user can user chroot? |
| 16:11.32 | abrotman | somePriest: or write your own with DSL |
| 16:11.33 | abrotman | err SDL |
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| 16:11.58 | mrvnr | The error message is: filebufbug.cxx:13: error: aggregate std::filebuf fileBuf has incomplete type and cannot be defined |
| 16:12.13 | somePriest | chorse : But what FPS do you sacrifice, and what texturing do you sacrifice? |
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| 16:13.06 | chorse | somePriest: most games run with no or little slowdown. |
| 16:13.12 | abrotman | mrvnr: compiling what? |
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| 16:13.22 | somePriest | chorse : That's cool. |
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| 16:13.49 | abrotman | mrvnr: and #gcc also exists |
| 16:13.57 | mrvnr | abrotman: a simple program |
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| 16:14.08 | abrotman | mrvnr: ask #gcc or #c or #c++ |
| 16:14.21 | abrotman | mrvnr: could be a change in the way the compiler works |
| 16:14.23 | mrvnr | abrotman: thx |
| 16:14.27 | vumba | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.42 | somePriest | chorse : Do you end up with an unstable app? I remember using Wine very early on, and it was very flaky, and even programs that worked didn't work all that well. |
| 16:14.45 | Kovecses | has anyone gotten the fglrx module to build on the 2.6.15 kernel in sid? |
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| 16:15.18 | SlayerXP | Kovecses: no, we're depending on you to be the first. |
| 16:15.21 | abrotman | vumba: either /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 16:15.34 | chorse | somePriest: cedega is a commercial app and wow is officially supported. |
| 16:15.41 | Kovecses | SlayerXP, you a slayer fan? |
| 16:15.57 | vumba | abrotman, Please choose the entry that best describes your mouse.? now? |
| 16:15.58 | SlayerXP | Kovecses: what's a slayer? |
| 16:16.01 | duck2cv | talkin to the bot? |
| 16:16.14 | Kovecses | SlayerXP, i was talking about the band.... |
| 16:16.14 | zignig | SlayerXP: bleh! |
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| 16:17.24 | Kovecses | hippie |
| 16:17.44 | Kovecses | slayer lyrocs |
| 16:17.48 | Kovecses | lyrics |
| 16:17.56 | Gathond | SlayerXP: outside?, no thanks its cold, wet and stormy ATM :) |
| 16:18.06 | SlayerXP | lyrics fom before they got all girly |
| 16:18.23 | Kovecses | thats more girly then there new stuff |
| 16:19.22 | duck2cv | whats more manly than hairspray, lycra, and makeup? |
| 16:19.30 | zignig | SlayerXP: i noticed; long ago that I have _NO_ soul |
| 16:19.32 | Kovecses | you guys are lost |
| 16:19.36 | Kovecses | no makeup |
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| 16:19.47 | xoz_ | duck2cv: pantyhose |
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| 16:24.23 | Malkavian[IB] | hi all |
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| 16:24.29 | bartm | po2debconf seems to ignore my nl.po file, how to debug ? |
| 16:24.29 | Malkavian[IB] | crackt0r |
| 16:24.32 | Malkavian[IB] | fala ae |
| 16:24.33 | crackt0r | aew |
| 16:24.34 | crackt0r | hehe |
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| 16:24.55 | Malkavian[IB] | curtiu a rede ? |
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| 16:25.22 | azeem | Malkavian[IB]: this is an english channel |
| 16:25.26 | Malkavian[IB] | azzem Fuck You |
| 16:25.29 | Malkavian[IB] | i am brasilian |
| 16:25.32 | azeem | !br |
| 16:25.32 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:25.35 | Malkavian[IB] | I am speak in brasilian |
| 16:25.53 | azeem | Malkavian[IB]: en #debian-br, por favor |
| 16:25.56 | tarzeau | there's no typespeed for windows? |
| 16:26.14 | Malkavian[IB] | Fuck All |
| 16:26.14 | Malkavian[IB] | _|_ fuck all rights |
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| 16:26.30 | azeem | Malkavian[IB]: please watch your language |
| 16:26.58 | Malkavian[IB] | azzen fuck you |
| 16:26.58 | Malkavian[IB] | i am speak in brasilian |
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| 16:27.12 | chorse | cu Malkavian[IB] |
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| 16:29.21 | crackt0r | azeem eu pesso desculpas pelo mew amigo, noix estamos apenas conhecendo a rede... |
| 16:29.28 | azeem | !br |
| 16:29.28 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:29.44 | azeem | crackt0r: it's alright |
| 16:30.00 | Mash | !de |
| 16:30.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 16:30.23 | azeem | Mash: please /msg the bot |
| 16:30.36 | Mash | azeem: ok |
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| 16:31.22 | crackt0r | [azeem]: ok |
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| 16:34.13 | znoG | for one server to syslog something to another, do I have to permit/allow this somewhere? |
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| 16:34.57 | ed_ | hello, i'm trying to net install debian sarge, but i can't get it to recognize my hard drives....i get "no partitionable media found"...any help? |
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| 16:37.26 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.46 | ed_ | nop |
| 16:37.53 | zamaliphe | apt-get remove libfribidi0 |
| 16:38.47 | stew | zamaliphe: its generally a bad idea, why do you want to do that? |
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| 16:40.03 | zamaliphe | i need to remove this backeg to bild it frome the surce |
| 16:40.32 | zamaliphe | bu apt will remove evry backeg using it |
| 16:40.38 | stew | zamaliphe: are you going to build the debian source or a newer debian source or an upstream source? |
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| 16:40.51 | stew | zamaliphe: why do you want to build it? |
| 16:41.06 | zamaliphe | cas its in cvs |
| 16:41.17 | mcgreg | I have a question. the delay (time), when you choose a file with konqueror and want to "copy to" (for example) , and you can choose a destination for example /home/user/random-directory/ , can I change the delay for chosing the directory? everytime I do, the directly are opened to fast, so I cant chose the one I want ... sorry hard to explain, can you follow me? |
| 16:41.28 | zamaliphe | no dibian yet for it |
| 16:41.51 | mcgreg | directly=directory/folder |
| 16:42.18 | zamaliphe | and its the only way to see the arabic subtitels |
| 16:42.45 | zamaliphe | how can i do that |
| 16:42.52 | zamaliphe | plezz help |
| 16:43.02 | stew | zamaliphe: you will need to satisfy the .deb dependency in any case. so build the source, then build an equiv package (/msg dpkg equivs) install the equivs package to replace the debian package, then install the source |
| 16:43.22 | Nirgal | znoG: no luck with a new file containing "options bttv card=1 automute=0" in my existing directory /etc/modutils. Syslog still repports kernel: bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected] |
| 16:43.26 | _max_ | i have my root disc on prim chan master slot /dev/hda2 , however when i compiled the promise 20269 driver into the kernel and reboot i get a kernel panic, saying it can't find vfs on /dev/hda2. |
| 16:43.31 | stew | mcgreg: ask in #debian-kde |
| 16:43.40 | mcgreg | stew: ok |
| 16:43.41 | _max_ | can it be possible that after booting the kernel its loading a disc on the promise raidcard as /dev/hd ? |
| 16:43.42 | _max_ | *a |
| 16:43.42 | gberardi | Can anyone shed some light on the GPG issue with apt? Did apt always use a key and just needs to update it, or is the use of a key new? |
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| 16:44.25 | Eulex | !apt-secure |
| 16:44.25 | dpkg | methinks apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 16:44.30 | stew | gberardi: "/msg dpkg apt secure" (like it says in the /topic) |
| 16:44.41 | stew | _max_: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 16:44.50 | _max_ | ywa |
| 16:44.52 | _max_ | *yes |
| 16:44.59 | stew | _max_: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 16:45.12 | ed_ | fixed the "no partitionable media were found"....had to go to cmos and set sata to compatible....:S |
| 16:45.14 | gberardi | stew: Yes, the topic which doesn't tell me why I would want to type that specific line. |
| 16:45.22 | gberardi | Thanks, though |
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| 16:45.40 | azeem | gberardi: they key got changed at the beginning of 2006 |
| 16:45.41 | _max_ | stew; i dont think dpkg can tell me if its probing my promise controller card first instead of the onboard ide bus ;) |
| 16:45.43 | azeem | like every year |
| 16:45.51 | Eulex | gberardi, you would want to do that because dpkg would answer with the info you'll need. |
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| 16:46.40 | gberardi | Eulex, yes, I get that...but there was also a different apt key msg to send that I saw first. None of the topic lines tell me more than what to type, which doesn't help me decide which one is useful to me |
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| 16:48.16 | Nirgal | People hi! I rebooted today and now my tv card is loaded without the options of /etc/modules (bttv card=1 automute=0). Syslog repports "bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected]". I'm a bit lost with udev, where should I put the module options? I allready tried creating a file containing "options bttv card=1 automute=0" in /etc/modutils |
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| 16:48.59 | stew | _max_: its not |
| 16:49.09 | crackt0r | Galera vou indo nessa, pq tenho que descançar um pouko pq eu trampo daqui a pouko....bjux amores ;**** |
| 16:49.19 | Eulex | gberardi, that's true |
| 16:49.24 | Eulex | !br |
| 16:49.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:49.33 | _max_ | stew; well then tell me how grub can load fine, then start booting and find allot of hdd's, then panics for not find the hdd its just read from? |
| 16:50.46 | Eulex | _max_, grub and your kernel read your hd in different ways. because one of them can read your hd doesn't mean the other can. |
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| 16:51.16 | stew | _max_: if you don't have filesystem drivers in your kernel to mount your root fs |
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| 16:51.43 | stew | _max_: if you don't have a hard disk controller module in your kernel to mount your root fs |
| 16:52.01 | stew | _max_: which is what the factoid i tried to point you to was going to tell you, btw |
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| 16:55.48 | Woody^working | As soon as I do "make menuconfig" in "/usr/src/linux" I can see the configuration screeen, but with lots of weird characters. Some knows anything about this ? |
| 16:55.56 | Kerr | anyone know why a drive listed as /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ext3 user,rw 0 0 would claim it's read only when i try to remove files from it (as root) ? |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | it has errors ? |
| 16:56.45 | Woody^working | I installed/configured fonty, console-tools, console-data and console-common. |
| 16:57.02 | npx | Kerr, yeah if the filesystem has errors it may have been mounted read-only; check dmesg |
| 16:57.14 | Kerr | it's my ded etch install from a few months back. fsck fixed it, and murdered the os. |
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| 16:57.18 | Kerr | dead^ |
| 16:57.29 | npx | Kerr, you might try mounting it as ext2 |
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| 16:57.41 | npx | not sure what good it would do, but it might be worth a shot |
| 16:57.55 | jmcm | Hello... I was wondering if anyone could help with a printer problem. I'm running Sarge, and when I open the Printing Manager, the Add --> Add New Printer option is disabled. I'd like to add an HP Deskjet 842C. I've successfully set it up for Knoppix before, and it worked perfectly. Any ideas? |
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| 16:57.59 | dusty- | How do i go about adding a 2nd hard drive to debian, i checked dmesg and its reported as /dev/hdb it is formatted and partitioned already but there is no data on there so i don't mind wiping it again, how do i get it working under debian? |
| 16:58.04 | Woody^working | Kerr: Try this "mount -o remount=rw /dev/hda1" |
| 16:58.11 | zamaliphe | nob |
| 16:58.13 | Woody^working | Kerr: Try this "mount -o remount=rw /dev/hda1 /media/hda1" |
| 16:58.16 | zamaliphe | lok at this |
| 16:58.18 | zamaliphe | pkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libfribidi0: |
| 16:58.18 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.18 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.18 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.35 | Kerr | was remounted as ro, yea. |
| 16:58.48 | jjazz | jmcm: It's a permissions thing. You have to give your user permission to make such changes in the web interface. Check /etc/cups/cups.conf |
| 16:58.51 | Woody^working | dusty: cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 16:58.55 | npx | dusty-, You'd format it as whatever you wanted, then check /etc/fstab (which controls automatic mounting) the format of the entries should be pretty obvious after looking at it |
| 16:59.03 | Kerr | would it be wiser to run e2fsck first? |
| 16:59.05 | Woody^working | dusty: Then edit /etc/fst |
| 16:59.06 | Woody^working | dusty: Then edit /etc/fstab |
| 16:59.07 | jmcm | jjazz: thanks, I'll try that and get back. |
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| 16:59.29 | jjazz | jmcm: Don't forget to restart cups (/etc/init.d/cupsys restart) to make the changes take effect. |
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| 16:59.46 | Woody^working | Kerr: No, do e2fsk after you remounted only. |
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| 17:00.10 | Woody^working | Would someone give me his output of "dpkg -l | grep console" ? |
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| 17:00.55 | al | Good day, I'm running Firefox on Debian 3.1, having the /var/tmp/kdecache- problem when opening weblinks from other apps |
| 17:00.56 | dusty- | thanks |
| 17:01.09 | _max_ | stew ; i had a working system, all i did was compile the promise drive. |
| 17:01.11 | _max_ | *driver |
| 17:01.18 | al | tried the firefox %u fix in Control Panel |
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| 17:01.50 | Woody^working | al: What rights do you have in /var/tmp/kdecache ? |
| 17:01.55 | npx | in this cliiiiimmeee I am blinnnddddd |
| 17:01.58 | al | one sec |
| 17:01.59 | npx | nirvana - big long now |
| 17:02.00 | npx | great song |
| 17:02.07 | stew | _max_: and you are trying to boot from the promise drive? |
| 17:02.08 | Woody^working | /var/tmp should have 4777 |
| 17:02.13 | _max_ | no |
| 17:02.30 | _max_ | trying to boot from the same drive as before i compiled the promise module. |
| 17:02.31 | stew | Woody^working: 1777 |
| 17:02.35 | _max_ | ./dev/hda2 |
| 17:02.54 | Woody^working | stew: You should have sticky in any case |
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| 17:03.11 | Woody^working | stew: I don't really know the special bit number. |
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| 17:03.22 | jmcm | jjazz: my client.conf file is the sample file... what do I need to edit to give this username permissions? |
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| 17:03.38 | stew | _max_: what kernel version? do you use an initrd? |
| 17:03.46 | _max_ | 2.6.14 and no. |
| 17:03.54 | Woody^working | So anyone had the visual problems in "/usr/src/linux" while configuring a kernel before ? |
| 17:03.56 | diesel | I am just learning apt-pinning. My base installation is testing and I want to setup /etc/apt/preferences to download unstable firefox. I thought that setting testing priority to 700 and doing "Package: firefox /n Pin: a=unstable,c=main,o=Debian,l=Debian /n Priority: 600" would only download the latest unstable firefox, but aptitude wants to install a few more upgradable packages. What am I missing? |
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| 17:04.04 | al | 700 for the directory |
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| 17:04.30 | al | var/tmp oh one sec |
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| 17:04.52 | Woody^working | al: Try putting it into something not so restrict. If it works you have it solved. If not, set it back to 700 |
| 17:04.55 | Guerin | Woody^working: menuconfig needs to have your terminal and system agreeing on a character set |
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| 17:05.28 | al | ew 1700 |
| 17:05.30 | al | lol |
| 17:05.55 | Woody^working | Guerin: So what do you request to do now ? |
| 17:06.09 | jmcm | jjazz: what do I need to edit in the client.conf file? Currently it's just the sample file... |
| 17:06.16 | Guerin | Woody^working: I suggest you have a beer. |
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| 17:06.33 | Guerin | Woody^working: since I don't know the problem, that's the only sensible course of action. |
| 17:06.42 | al | oops wrong |
| 17:06.44 | SerajewelKS | rm -f /bin/laden |
| 17:06.46 | ronin | Guerin: if in doubt have a beer? makes perfect sense to me |
| 17:06.47 | zamaliphe | hi |
| 17:06.48 | al | var/tmp is 1777 |
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| 17:07.05 | zamaliphe | whay i have been kick ??? |
| 17:07.17 | Guerin | ronin: beer has the beneficial effects of making hard decisions easy |
| 17:07.26 | ronin | zamaliphe: dont think you were kicked |
| 17:07.29 | Woody^working | Guerin: I already have it fixed. I configured "fonty" on the same tty as I started my ncurses menu. Once I switched to a different one it worked. |
| 17:07.30 | Guerin | !htfswk zamaliphe |
| 17:07.30 | dpkg | zamaliphe: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 17:07.43 | Kerr | Woody^working: i get unrecognied option for errors=remount-rw |
| 17:07.53 | npx | Guerin, and hangovers have the effect of making the consequences easy to ignore, it's win:win =) |
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| 17:07.57 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 17:07.58 | Guerin | heh |
| 17:07.59 | stew | !tell zamaliphe about flood |
| 17:08.00 | ronin | ahh beer, the cause of and solutino to all lifes problems |
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| 17:08.05 | Woody^working | Kerr: I didn't read the manual, but I have something like that in my head. |
| 17:08.11 | Woody^working | Kerr: read the man |
| 17:08.13 | Guerin | npx: hangovers? what is this 'hangovers' of which you speak? |
| 17:08.13 | al | should var/tmp/kdecache-<user> be 1777? |
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| 17:08.21 | ray_ | how do i check the version of a package via apt? |
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| 17:08.32 | npx | I drink like my father taught me to drink |
| 17:08.34 | Guerin | ronin: aptitude show |
| 17:08.38 | Guerin | ray_: |
| 17:08.41 | ray_ | ty |
| 17:08.44 | jjazz | jmcm: No need to mess with that file at all. |
| 17:08.48 | npx | the cheapest vodka and in excess |
| 17:09.01 | Woody^working | Kerr: But why do you want to use errors=remount-rw ? |
| 17:09.18 | Woody^working | Just use mount -o remount=rw /device /media/foo |
| 17:09.22 | jmcm | jjazz: sorry, i misread, you said cups.conf |
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| 17:09.36 | Aronofsky | hi , does anyone here know mysql because nobody answer to me on #mysql, my question, how can I clean db table after dropping a database ; to delete all privs to everyone on that db ? |
| 17:09.39 | ray_ | anyone know where i can get the latest fluxbox deb? |
| 17:09.39 | Woody^working | al: I don't know. Try it. |
| 17:09.41 | zamaliphe | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:09.45 | ray_ | for sarge |
| 17:09.46 | zamaliphe | thanks |
| 17:09.47 | al | Hokie doke |
| 17:09.48 | xoz_ | Kerr: better umount, fsck the drive, then mount |
| 17:09.49 | Kerr | Woody^working: you said remoint=rw which it said was a bad option, so i tried that, as another drive has errors=remount-ro |
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| 17:10.11 | SerajewelKS | Aronofsky: look at the privileges table and form a SQL query |
| 17:10.16 | horror_vacui | my php scripts are failing because of "undefined function: mysql_connect()", but the php4-mysql package is installed.. |
| 17:10.22 | jmcm | jjazz: actually, client.conf is the only file in /etc/cups/ |
| 17:10.25 | horror_vacui | wtf? How can I fix this? |
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| 17:10.45 | SerajewelKS | horror_vacui: check your php.ini, make sure there's "extension=mysql.so" in it |
| 17:10.46 | Aronofsky | SerajewelKS, i was looking for a cleaner solution , with revoke command maybe but im not sure |
| 17:10.51 | horror_vacui | I already did apt-get install --reinstall on php4 and php4-mysql |
| 17:11.00 | SerajewelKS | Aronofsky: DELETE ... WHERE is as clean as everything |
| 17:11.02 | jjazz | jmcm: That's weird. Installing cups should setup a bunch of files for you in that dir. |
| 17:11.21 | SerajewelKS | Aronofsky: just make sure you FLUSH PRIVILEGES after to make sure MySQL noticed |
| 17:11.29 | SerajewelKS | horror_vacui: see what i said above |
| 17:11.35 | SerajewelKS | !php mysql |
| 17:11.37 | jjazz | jmcm: Do you have any printers currently working? |
| 17:11.37 | jmcm | jjazz: erm... I don't know if I installed cups, unless it's automatically installed... |
| 17:11.42 | SerajewelKS | !mysql php |
| 17:11.43 | jmcm | jjazz: nope |
| 17:11.46 | horror_vacui | SerajewelKS: I saw, I'm checking now... |
| 17:11.48 | Woody^working | Kerr: But you use "errors=remount-ro" in /etc/fstab |
| 17:11.48 | Aronofsky | SerajewelKS, ok thx ; but just to know is it possible to use revoke ? |
| 17:11.53 | zamaliphe | i traed dpkg -r remove-essential libfribidi0 |
| 17:11.54 | jjazz | jmcm: !cups |
| 17:11.59 | zamaliphe | but |
| 17:11.59 | jjazz | !cups |
| 17:11.59 | dpkg | i guess cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 17:12.01 | SerajewelKS | Aronofsky: i don't know, search mysql.com |
| 17:12.26 | al | had a feeling it wouldn't work...I think it's a bug in Firefox |
| 17:12.26 | zamaliphe | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove remove-essential which isn't installed. |
| 17:12.27 | zamaliphe | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libfribidi0: |
| 17:12.33 | xoz_ | horror_vacui: read the doc? have you enabled loading the extensio module in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini? |
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| 17:12.48 | Aronofsky | SerajewelKS, ok , and after dropping a database , mysql.db is the only table to clean , there are no others related data elsewhere ? |
| 17:12.54 | al | anyone here have the firefox problem opening weblinks from other apps? |
| 17:13.03 | jmcm | jjazz: can i go through apt-get and install cups, then? |
| 17:13.04 | npx | One good thing I'll say for CUPS: it makes hosting printers on Linux boxes for Windows systems dead easy, and vice versa; much easier than using samba |
| 17:13.10 | jjazz | jmcm: yes |
| 17:13.22 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: php mysql is if you're getting PHP errors about mysql_* being undefined, make sure that /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini contains "extension=mysql.so" |
| 17:13.22 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 17:13.22 | jmcm | jjazz: thanks, i'll give that a go |
| 17:13.31 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: mysql php is <reply> see php mysql |
| 17:13.31 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 17:13.48 | jjazz | !tell jmcm about cups setup |
| 17:13.55 | ray_ | the new fluxbox used to be in backports? what happened |
| 17:14.17 | al | I guess I'll just have to make Konqueror my default browser sniff |
| 17:14.31 | npx | al, it could be worse, you could be using netscape 4.x =) |
| 17:14.35 | al | lol |
| 17:14.38 | horror_vacui | SerajewelKS: Thanks, that was it. |
| 17:14.41 | moshii | al: nothing wrong with konq |
| 17:14.41 | al | horrors |
| 17:14.46 | al | true |
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| 17:14.52 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: php mysql =~ s/apache2/apache(2?)/ |
| 17:14.53 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: OK |
| 17:14.53 | horror_vacui | al Yes? |
| 17:15.06 | npx | I was amazed at how quickly the konq project made such a good HTML renderer |
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| 17:15.16 | SerajewelKS | horror_vacui: np |
| 17:15.20 | npx | I mean, it my not be perfect, but it was as good as Gecko within 6 months of it being thought up |
| 17:15.36 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 17:15.36 | al | no i just meant horrors, as in gosh |
| 17:15.46 | Guerin | khtml is *still* not as good as gecko |
| 17:15.52 | horror_vacui | al: Yes? |
| 17:15.57 | al | ? |
| 17:16.05 | al | Yes? |
| 17:16.14 | horror_vacui | al: You're talking with me. |
| 17:16.19 | SerajewelKS | npx: my only problem with konq is that it break a lot (a *LOT*) of sites |
| 17:16.24 | SerajewelKS | s/break/breaks/ |
| 17:16.25 | al | I am now |
| 17:16.26 | moshii | Guerin: the only pages konq doesn't handle are ones that are totally fudged |
| 17:16.32 | npx | Guerin, I'm talking about back in, like, 98-99, when Gecko broke on tons of sites too |
| 17:16.45 | al | i typed horror in a sentence, sorry...:) |
| 17:16.54 | al | Yes? |
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| 17:17.17 | Guerin | moshii: the most vital element in a html renderer is that it be fault tolerant. |
| 17:17.18 | moshii | try using something like Ibrowse ;) |
| 17:17.18 | Chris1 | hi guys |
| 17:17.20 | Chris1 | I have problem with network install on my system: |
| 17:17.20 | Chris1 | I boot the CD, but started install program DO NOT recognize my CD-ROM !?! |
| 17:17.20 | Chris1 | Any ideas what to do? |
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| 17:17.44 | ray_ | damn |
| 17:17.47 | ray_ | no fluxbox |
| 17:17.55 | npx | gecko vs. khtml aside, they developed khtml at a balls out breakneck pace |
| 17:17.57 | Guerin | chris___: probably a crappy cdrom drive or ide. |
| 17:18.00 | moshii | Guerin: True, but I'd rather developers focus on making good stuff work opposed to making bad stuff work |
| 17:18.01 | al | anyone wanna give me a free laptop? |
| 17:18.15 | moshii | al: if you want to come and steal it, yes |
| 17:18.31 | duck2cv | sure i have a 33mhz thinkpad with genuine mold on it |
| 17:18.34 | al | where are you located? it'll have to be on a bus line |
| 17:18.44 | Guerin | moshii: fair. But unless it's gotten a shitload better in the last 12 months, it still freaks out on some css which was fairly normal. |
| 17:18.48 | SerajewelKS | moshii: in an ideal world, yeah... problem is most of the sites out there are "bad stuff" |
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| 17:19.00 | al | 33mhz? wow |
| 17:19.11 | npx | Guerin, it has gotten a lot better in the past 12 months fwiw |
| 17:19.15 | moshii | al: plymouth UK, you'd have to make it look like real theft though otherwise I wouldn't get a new one ;) |
| 17:19.24 | al | aahhhhh |
| 17:19.34 | npx | Guerin, The Apple guys have gone a long ways toward making it not shit the bed all the time |
| 17:19.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it's decently better than it used to be, but still segfaults on some sites the firefox/mozilla handle smoothly |
| 17:19.43 | al | sure, i can smash a few windows and set the place on fire for free |
| 17:19.46 | Guerin | Chris1: boot into expert, manually disable all non-generic ide drivers and try |
| 17:19.48 | duck2cv | throw this thinkpad through his window.... |
| 17:19.49 | duck2cv | lol |
| 17:20.09 | moshii | SerajewelKS: flickr is about the only site that doesn't work for me |
| 17:20.20 | moshii | SerajewelKS: and that's only uploading photos |
| 17:20.28 | Guerin | npx: last I heard the safari devs weren't even contributing code back upstream, which is a) very apple; and b) not really helping your point |
| 17:20.41 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: safari is based on konq? |
| 17:20.43 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: segfaults??? |
| 17:20.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: khtml |
| 17:21.04 | moshii | Guerin: I thought they gave the code back, just not in a way that was good for konq developers |
| 17:21.04 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if you haven't had konq segfault on you then you haven't used konq much |
| 17:21.07 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: any app that segfaults in the cours of normal usage is by definition useless |
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| 17:21.16 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i haven't used it in a year or so |
| 17:21.25 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well a year ago it would segfault at the drop of a hat |
| 17:21.35 | ray_ | can someone point me to a link on how to package a .deb |
| 17:21.36 | npx | Guerin, I'm not sure where you got that idea |
| 17:21.37 | Guerin | moshii: you might be right. |
| 17:21.59 | Guerin | npx: apple developers are arseholes. This is a well-known fact. |
| 17:22.02 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it's much more stable now but i tried not to use it simply because you'd never know if it'd go down when you had 10 tabs open. same reason i avoid flash sites in firefox -- they just take it down. |
| 17:22.19 | Guerin | i avoid flash in general |
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| 17:22.50 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i try to.. i use mozilla if i must use a flash site since it doesn't crap out as much |
| 17:22.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: back in kde 3.0 days it was reasonably stable |
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| 17:23.04 | Guerin | konq, not flash |
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| 17:23.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: firefox's plugin handling is very flaky at best.. even java will freeze it nowadays |
| 17:23.07 | npx | Guerin, I don't doubt that (a lot of developers are assholes, Apple or otherwise), but they HAVE contributed a lot to the KTHML project |
| 17:23.26 | moshii | have anyone else noticed that amarok, kaffeine,.. anything that uses xine is broken in sid? |
| 17:23.28 | xoz_ | safaris khtml is no longer sync with upstream because their documentation which refers to a bugs in a nonfree code doesnt make sense to the konq maintainers. |
| 17:23.28 | Guerin | npx: not enough to make it not shit, apparently. |
| 17:23.44 | Guerin | xoz_: ah, that's it, then. |
| 17:23.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: who gave apple permission to use khtml anyway |
| 17:23.54 | Guerin | they built non-free extensions to it |
| 17:23.58 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the FSF |
| 17:24.00 | npx | Guerin, Enough to make it the default browser on a much more ubiquitous desktop platform than Linux with a minimal amount of complaint |
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| 17:24.11 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what the hell was their justification |
| 17:24.18 | Guerin | npx: mactards don't complain, they just shut up and take it up the arse |
| 17:24.24 | npx | It's GPL'd, they distribute the source sera |
| 17:24.32 | SerajewelKS | npx: oh? |
| 17:24.33 | moshii | SerajewelKS: it's opensource, they can do what they like with it |
| 17:24.33 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: um ... there's this thing called a 'license' |
| 17:24.33 | npx | They don't have to justify it |
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| 17:24.52 | SerajewelKS | hmm i never knew safari was foss |
| 17:24.56 | Guerin | it's not |
| 17:25.00 | Guerin | khtml is |
| 17:25.09 | moshii | don't nokia use khtml as well .. |
| 17:25.17 | npx | Safari just calls KHTML (renamed WebCore in OS X I believe) |
| 17:25.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: khtml is LGPL? |
| 17:25.33 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: they tried to sync in the initial phase but lots of conflict later with the way other parts of safari work with nonfree codes/part of their system |
| 17:25.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's free software. I don't know exactly what license. |
| 17:26.07 | npx | Guerin, and, even ignoring khtml, Apple has contributed a LOT to GCC, so props to them |
| 17:26.16 | npx | I know they've benefitted a lot from it too |
| 17:26.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: well if it's GPL i don't see how they could use KHTML interfaces in safari, with LGPL they can use those interface without issues so long as their modified KHTML is LGPL too |
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| 17:27.07 | Guerin | npx: apple, like IBM, take more than they give. And unlike IBM, they don't make it easy to develop for their platforms. And they're the #1 promoters of DRM, so as far as I'm concerned, they're a substantial net loss. |
| 17:27.16 | mith | with the debian packaged kernel, how the fuck do I tell it "stop using any kind of framebuffer period i don't care if you think you can"? I have vga=0 as a kernel param but while loading the initrd it switches it to a framebuffer anyways |
| 17:27.22 | moshii | SerajewelKS: khtml is lgpl |
| 17:27.24 | Guerin | they can take their hardware, and their software, and go fuck themselves |
| 17:27.31 | SerajewelKS | moshii: well that explains it i guess |
| 17:27.49 | npx | Guerin, I don't understand what you mean, they distribute an entire operating system under a pretty reasonable open source license |
| 17:27.57 | Guerin | npx: bullshit. |
| 17:27.58 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'd like the mac-on-intel idea if they didn't require apple hardware |
| 17:28.09 | xoz_ | mith: change the initrd image so that it will not preload the framebuffer. use mkinitrd... and reconfigure /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
| 17:28.19 | npx | What, the Darwin license is unreasonable? |
| 17:28.23 | mith | that's annoying |
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| 17:28.32 | Guerin | npx: they distribute a kernel. |
| 17:28.43 | npx | I've personally installed Darwin |
| 17:28.46 | npx | It's an entire OS. |
| 17:28.46 | jollo | apple hardware: is a way to certify hardware |
| 17:28.59 | Guerin | npx: there are plenty of free OS kernels out there which don't come with the 'ooh, it's made by apple' crap attached |
| 17:28.59 | mith | xoz_: so where are the actual files to reproduce the default initrd image? |
| 17:29.03 | Eclipser | is there any really 'good' painting/drawing program? : |
| 17:29.06 | Eclipser | :) |
| 17:29.08 | Eclipser | gpaint kind of sucked |
| 17:29.39 | SerajewelKS | xoz_: OS X is not unix-friendly in my opinion |
| 17:29.39 | xoz_ | mith: /etc/mkinitrd/modules ... disable *almost* directive in mkinitrd.conf |
| 17:29.53 | SerajewelKS | xoz_: use the terminal for two seconds and you get the idea |
| 17:30.01 | Guerin | npx: it all hinges on DRM. Apple gives up drm, they can come back into my life. |
| 17:30.07 | npx | Guerin, Value judgements are sorta irrelevant here, the point is that it's hard to call an entire operating system (especially one that's considered by many to be world class) a net loss to the OSS community |
| 17:30.07 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: yep... i still hope that OS X has the tools of debian. |
| 17:30.07 | stew | mith: are you passing a vga parameter to the kernel? |
| 17:30.11 | scarynetworkguy | npx: No WebCore is built using khtml but is *not* simply khtml renamed. http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/ |
| 17:30.23 | SerajewelKS | xoz_: i mean the terminal app and their shell |
| 17:30.26 | mith | stew: yes, I tried vga=normal and vga=0 |
| 17:30.28 | Guerin | npx: no, this is not a value judgment. This is pute technical logic. DRM is snake oil. |
| 17:30.41 | SerajewelKS | xoz_: the terminal app sucks (home, end, etc are mapped to GUI tasks, not sent to the shell) |
| 17:31.27 | stew | mith: it happens right after the initrd is loaded? or part way through the initscripts? |
| 17:31.28 | SerajewelKS | xoz_: the shell has the weirdest quoting rules ever |
| 17:31.28 | npx | scarynetworkguy, I didn't mean to suggest it was; just that WebCore was what they called their iteration of KHTML |
| 17:31.28 | mith | SerajewelKS: the keybindings can be fixed |
| 17:31.28 | SerajewelKS | mith: they shouldn't need to be fixed. it should be a terminal, not some bastardized excuse for a terminal. |
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| 17:31.29 | scarynetworkguy | npx: No it's not. Go read that link. |
| 17:31.38 | MartianSpider | SerajewelKS, which shell is that? bash/csh/something else? |
| 17:31.44 | stew | its tcsh |
| 17:31.52 | DuCkNeT | need help |
| 17:31.56 | mith | stew: it's before it's entering runlevel 2 so in the initrd it appears |
| 17:32.01 | MartianSpider | Ah, that explains it. |
| 17:32.04 | SerajewelKS | MartianSpider: i don't know but try using scp to copy a file with spaces |
| 17:32.14 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: not darwin. Apple. |
| 17:32.16 | mith | stew: (eg, before i can actually scroll the terminal back) |
| 17:32.23 | jmcm | jjazz: I've installed CUPS, I've set up the printer, but it won't print a test page, and when I go to an application and hit print, it doesn't see the printer, even though it's set to default... |
| 17:32.29 | SerajewelKS | MartianSpider: it winds up looking like: scp user@remote:'file\ with\ spaces' which translates to file\\\ with\\\ spaces |
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| 17:32.33 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: i actually use the configs of debian... for OS X... but there are many things that could have been improved for the shell... |
| 17:32.41 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: apple is a net loss, not darwin; darwin in isolation is a gain. |
| 17:32.51 | strider | can't the default OS X shell be changed then? |
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| 17:32.55 | Guerin | but you can't look at these things in isolation |
| 17:33.00 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: irony is... shell is much slower than the graphics... |
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| 17:33.03 | mith | SerajewelKS: no. It's an apple application. It therefore needs to abide by their keybindings rules for text boxes. I don't agree with it but it's not going to change and isn't really worth bitching about since it can be fixed in <5 minutes. |
| 17:33.07 | npx | Guerin, I don't share your concern wrt DRM |
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| 17:33.14 | Guerin | npx: then you're a fool. |
| 17:33.31 | npx | Guerin, have you considered the possibility that it may bring useful features to users? Automatic deletion, cryptographically secure permissions? |
| 17:33.35 | DuCkNeT | can someone help me ? |
| 17:33.39 | Guerin | npx: yes. |
| 17:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I, of course, disagree. But fair enough. I misunderstood your point. :) |
| 17:33.51 | SerajewelKS | mith: then, IMO, OS X is not unix by default if you can't navigate around a 'less' invokation without changing settings |
| 17:33.51 | Guerin | npx: hah |
| 17:33.58 | Guerin | cryptographically secure |
| 17:33.59 | Guerin | haha |
| 17:34.01 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: actually, using fink and bsd ports... it can be configured close to unix.. but takes time. |
| 17:34.12 | zamaliphe | how can i remove libfribidi0 |
| 17:34.13 | mith | SerajewelKS: um, you could in xterm. Which is shipped with osx. |
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| 17:34.21 | azeem | zamaliphe: apt-get remove libfribidi0 |
| 17:34.22 | scarynetworkguy | npx: That's just fucking silly. |
| 17:34.30 | jollo | What's up DuCkNeT |
| 17:34.31 | Guerin | anyway, it's too late to argue with mactards |
| 17:34.36 | stew | snoke: wha do you mean by is or is not unix? |
| 17:34.41 | stew | err |
| 17:34.42 | DuCkNeT | need help with eth0 and ifconfig |
| 17:34.48 | jollo | ok |
| 17:34.49 | npx | scarynetworkguy, Why is that silly? Isn't that exactly what DRM promises? |
| 17:34.51 | scarynetworkguy | Over the years I've been able to dream up *one* good use for DRM. |
| 17:34.58 | scarynetworkguy | npx: No. Not in the least. |
| 17:34.59 | stew | DuCkNeT: if you have a specific question, go ahead and ask it |
| 17:35.00 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: free porn? |
| 17:35.08 | SerajewelKS | mith: which requires X11 to start. i'm just saying that the default settings for terminal are stupid. anyone who knows how to use the terminal is going to expect 'home' to be sent to stdin, not the GUI. |
| 17:35.11 | zamaliphe | bu it will remov 15 backeg?? |
| 17:35.15 | DuCkNeT | when i do ifocnfig or ifconfig -a i dont see eth0 |
| 17:35.18 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: s/porn/$whatever/ as you like |
| 17:35.19 | mith | SerajewelKS: anyways, by your definition of needing to be able to scroll in less using pgup/dwn/etc ... solaris apparently isn't a unix either? |
| 17:35.21 | DuCkNeT | but eth1 is there |
| 17:35.31 | SerajewelKS | mith: i have not used solaris |
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| 17:35.38 | stew | DuCkNeT: man interfaces |
| 17:35.39 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Nah. My "digital lending of rare works that still happen to be under copyright" scheme. |
| 17:35.42 | donkax | Trying to get a DLT tape drive to work on debian stable. 2.6 custom kernel built with scsi tape support. raid controller detects fine. can anybody prod me in the rigth direction |
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| 17:35.45 | jmcm | jjazz: I've installed and set up the printer, but it won't print a test page, and it won't show up in applications when I select print... the printer is set to default, though. |
| 17:35.55 | Guerin | because that's the only use I see for it - not legally, but actually free ... and a resultant race condition between owners and renters of content |
| 17:35.58 | mith | SerajewelKS: if you've used nothing but linux then you are completely unaware of the fact that retarded default settings for terminals is the status quo in commercial unixes. |
| 17:36.03 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: ah yeah, we mean the same thing. |
| 17:36.10 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Likely. Yeah. |
| 17:36.21 | mith | SerajewelKS: sorry to dissapoint you. |
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| 17:36.25 | stew | i'm still trying to figure out why someone would want 'home' sent to stdin |
| 17:36.40 | SerajewelKS | mith: another reason to avoid commercial unix BS, i guess |
| 17:36.49 | npx | I think the market will quickly kill DRM if it fails to provide what Microsoft has been promising (and cryptographically secure acess controls ARE one of the things MS has been promising) |
| 17:36.54 | stew | or how osx can be not unix by default but changed to unix by some settings |
| 17:37.07 | SerajewelKS | stew: so that applications that use 'home' (irssi, less) will work |
| 17:37.12 | npx | The corporate market will shit on it and install FreeBSD or whatever. |
| 17:37.22 | mith | stew: home sent to stdin what |
| 17:37.34 | mith | npx: no they wont |
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| 17:37.38 | scarynetworkguy | npx: That is far and away one of the most fundametally stupid things I've ever heard. |
| 17:37.44 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: still, the power of GUI+cli+X in OS X is a good thing... and the price of apple is not much different with that of pc... |
| 17:37.53 | stew | mith: don't ask me, ask SerajewelKS |
| 17:38.00 | scarynetworkguy | npx: Own a standalong DVD player? |
| 17:38.04 | npx | scarynetworkguy, What, that the free market will decide the fate of a product? |
| 17:38.08 | npx | No, I actually don't |
| 17:38.15 | mith | stew: why he's a retard that thinks having pgup/etc fucked up in a default terminal config makes something not unix :P |
| 17:38.34 | SerajewelKS | mith: in regards to "feel" |
| 17:38.53 | SerajewelKS | mith: of course it's fundamentally unix, but if i can't navigate it in a unix-like fashion it may as well not be |
| 17:39.00 | mith | SerajewelKS: you need to 'feel' you some solaris/hp-ux/etc, seriously, they all have fucked up termcaps by default. |
| 17:39.09 | npx | Outside of FOSS circles, I've never heard anyone complain about region encoding on DVDs |
| 17:39.15 | scarynetworkguy | npx: That DRM is in any way shape or form a faliure or that it has anything to do with the stuff that you are on about. But this is way ot and I should be working. so I'm done. |
| 17:39.16 | mith | SerajewelKS: using those keys in less isn't unix-like in the first place. Learn you some vi keybindings. |
| 17:39.18 | SerajewelKS | mith: i am working on an HP-UX server |
| 17:39.27 | SerajewelKS | mith: home/end work just fine |
| 17:39.34 | mith | i bet they don't on the console. |
| 17:39.40 | zamaliphe | azeem 15 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 11 to remove and 612 not upgraded.??? |
| 17:39.49 | xoz_ | mith: true... without linux, these unix's wouldn't have realized that... vi is so far compared to vim. |
| 17:39.49 | npx | scarynetworkguy, Do you know of a channel where this wouldn't be offtopic? I'd like to discuss it some more |
| 17:39.50 | SerajewelKS | mith: what 'console' |
| 17:40.02 | npx | I'm willing to accept that I might be completely wrong, and perhaps a blathering idiot |
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| 17:40.09 | mith | home/end work just fine ssh'ed into osx too. |
| 17:40.11 | npx | but I'd need to see some convincing evidence |
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| 17:40.14 | mith | SerajewelKS: the serial console. |
| 17:40.31 | jjazz | jmcm: Check the error log in /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 17:40.32 | SerajewelKS | mith: exactly, we're talking about the terminal application that ships with OSX |
| 17:40.43 | jjazz | jmcm: That should give you an idea what went wrong. |
| 17:41.07 | mith | SerajewelKS: the terminal application that ships with osx is comparable to the serial terminal on other unixes. They are the primary way of interacting with the system when physically present at it. |
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| 17:41.12 | xoz_ | for the record, darwin which is BSD-based is much closer to orig unix than linux is. |
| 17:41.23 | zamaliphe | how i cane remove only libfribidi0 |
| 17:41.28 | SerajewelKS | mith: suffice it to say that when i try to get anything done with Terminal on a mac i wind up yelling at the stupid box and finding an XP box with putty |
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| 17:41.37 | ronin | zamaliphe: didnt stew already tell you how? |
| 17:41.48 | zamaliphe | nob |
| 17:41.57 | npx | SerajewelKS, ever hear of $TERM ? |
| 17:42.00 | KerPlunk | zamaliphe: dpkg -r libfribidi0 |
| 17:42.05 | azeem | KerPlunk: err |
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| 17:42.10 | SerajewelKS | npx: yeah, that has nothing to do with mac terminal |
| 17:42.14 | petemc | SerajewelKS: what exactly is wrong with terminal.app? |
| 17:42.19 | zamaliphe | i get eroor also |
| 17:42.22 | azeem | zamaliphe: you cannot just remove libfribidi0 if other packages depend on it |
| 17:42.22 | jollo | id love to see the nixers quit dividing and killing themselves |
| 17:42.22 | SerajewelKS | npx: the GUI intercepts home/end before the shell sees them |
| 17:42.22 | mith | npx: no, Terminal.app overrides home/end/pgup/pgdown to control the terminal window by default. |
| 17:42.27 | azeem | zamaliphe: why do you want to remove it? |
| 17:42.42 | SerajewelKS | petemc: home/end/pgup/pgdown are butchered by default |
| 17:42.44 | zamaliphe | cas i have libfribidi2 |
| 17:42.46 | mith | npx: instead of passing it through to what's running in the terminal |
| 17:42.47 | jollo | you guys, try to get along... geez |
| 17:42.49 | azeem | zamaliphe: so? |
| 17:42.52 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: you can install the ports collection and fink... like in linux, you have to somehow configure things. |
| 17:42.59 | jmcm | jjazz: perhaps i need to restart the server? |
| 17:42.59 | azeem | zamaliphe: some libraries might be needed in several versions |
| 17:43.16 | npx | Yeah... that's never been an issue for me, really. I guess cuz I don't really use ncurses apps? |
| 17:43.30 | jjazz | jmcm: Every time you make changes to cups.conf, you need to restart. If you make changes to a printer via the web interface, there is no need to restart cups |
| 17:43.34 | xoz_ | SerajewelKS: debian is an exception... but slakware and other early distros need a *lot* of configs... |
| 17:43.49 | mith | npx: i do, and as I've said, it takes 5 minutes to fix. then you take the .plist file and pop it on the user account of any mac you have to use and never have to do it again :P |
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| 17:43.54 | SerajewelKS | xoz_: i hate slackware too ;) |
| 17:44.04 | moshii | xoz_: debian needs the same amount of config, it just does it better ;) |
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| 17:44.08 | zamaliphe | but instaling this libraries need to remove the old one ferist |
| 17:44.10 | xoz_ | debian is not just unix or linux... debian is a totally different and good OS. |
| 17:44.15 | Chris1 | SerajewelKS: not works :( |
| 17:44.25 | azeem | zamaliphe: why? |
| 17:44.25 | npx | Yeah, an OS is more than the sum of it's parts |
| 17:44.31 | npx | Debian has a 'feel' to it |
| 17:44.32 | SerajewelKS | Chris1: what doesn't work? i never told you anything. |
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| 17:45.07 | Chris1 | I told that my CD-ROM is not recognized in install |
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| 17:45.17 | xoz_ | once you get used to debian... you'll always will be frustrated running a different system in a console.... GUI aside. |
| 17:45.17 | mith | is there a way to tell the default initrd to not load a specific module without rebuilding it? |
| 17:45.19 | SerajewelKS | Chris1: yes, and i never helped you with that |
| 17:45.26 | jjazz | Chris1: you were talking to Guerin, not SerajewelKS |
| 17:45.32 | Chris1 | sorry |
| 17:45.52 | moshii | xoz_: The thing that makes debian is that it doens't fall apart after you install the software you need |
| 17:45.57 | betoes | hello all! I having some trouble using 'apt-get update': I receive "W: GPG error: http://linorg.usp.br etch Release: The following signatures couldn 't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ..." as error msg |
| 17:45.58 | zamaliphe | this lib is for arbic lang and with the old one we wear using patches with this we dont azeem |
| 17:45.59 | jollo | xoz_: isn't that pretty much the case with every OS |
| 17:46.01 | jmcm | jjazz: E [21/Jan/2006:12:17:58 -0500] LoadAllClasses: Unable to open /etc/cups/classes.conf - No such file or directory does that sound relevant? |
| 17:46.10 | SerajewelKS | betoes: /topic |
| 17:46.10 | ronin | betoes: /topic |
| 17:46.13 | betoes | any idea? |
| 17:46.25 | SerajewelKS | !any ideas |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:46.26 | azeem | zamaliphe: I don't understand |
| 17:46.36 | azeem | zamaliphe: if you develop software against the new one, do that |
| 17:46.49 | xoz_ | jollo: in the console, debian is the most optimized. |
| 17:46.50 | azeem | if you want to use programs, just install them, and let apt-get handle libfribidi |
| 17:47.19 | web | can i use nagios as a calendar to set a date and alert me by phone |
| 17:47.20 | jjazz | jmcm: Probably not, since you don't need printer classes. But do sudo touch /etc/cups/classes.conf just in case. |
| 17:47.24 | jollo | xoz_: describe that |
| 17:47.50 | xoz_ | jollo: are you not running debian and doing your daily stuffs using the shell> |
| 17:47.53 | zamaliphe | azeem how??? |
| 17:47.58 | azeem | zamaliphe: how what? |
| 17:48.10 | xoz_ | jollo: if you pay my time, ill give you the detail. |
| 17:48.31 | jollo | I'm running it now, and pretty much using shell alot |
| 17:48.36 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.39 | jollo | also gnome desktop |
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| 17:48.47 | Supaplex | npx: just for the 'feel' of it, .... debian! |
| 17:48.50 | xoz_ | jollo: or i can write a script to tell you |
| 17:48.53 | Supaplex | ;-) |
| 17:48.55 | npx | Supaplex =D |
| 17:49.00 | azeem | zamaliphe: just apt-get install <program> |
| 17:49.09 | azeem | if <program> needs either libfribidi, it will install it |
| 17:49.13 | mouldy | Hey. I'm running Debian etch with the gnome-desktop-environment package installed. Naturally, it installed a bunch of crap that I'm never going to use along with it. So, how can I uninstall individual packages without it removing all of gnome-desktop-environment? Eg. if I try to remove Epiphany it says that gnome-desktop-environment will be removed aswell. Which I don't want it to. Any ideas? |
| 17:49.13 | azeem | there is no need to uninstall the other |
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| 17:49.47 | npx | mouldy, your best bet would have been to install gnome-bin (or whatever it's called nowadays) and let apt just automatically get the dependencies for it |
| 17:49.47 | jmcm | jjazz: nothing is happening... i'm still clicking print test page, it's still saying "test page printed", but not printing... i did the "touch" command. |
| 17:49.51 | donkax | im looking for a guide on how to configure a dlt tape drive in debian. any help? |
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| 17:50.11 | jjazz | jmcm: restart the server, try again, and look for the error message |
| 17:50.13 | zamaliphe | ok i wil tray that azeem thanks |
| 17:50.15 | mouldy | npx, so if I uninstall gnome-desktop-environment, then install gnome-bin? |
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| 17:50.23 | azeem | zamaliphe: where do you have libfribidi2 from anyway? |
| 17:50.26 | Supaplex | donkax: with so many dlt tape drives, and what you could configure it to do, that's very vague. |
| 17:50.26 | npx | mouldy, as it stands now, the only way to get rid of the kruft afaik would be to 1.) --force removal 2.) get rid of it all and start again, minimally |
| 17:50.40 | betoes | ronin: I'm running debian etch |
| 17:50.43 | zamaliphe | cvs |
| 17:50.51 | mouldy | npx, ah ok. Thanks. Would gnome-bin be the minimal gnome setup? |
| 17:50.51 | npx | mouldy, yeah, you could get gnome-panel for instance and the dependencies for it would (probably) be most of the environment |
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| 17:51.09 | donkax | sorry Supaplex. i cant even get mt to rewind it. i need to know how to check which device its running on or if i even have the mandatory drivers compiled into the kernel |
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| 17:51.18 | npx | mouldy, I'm sure there's documentation for doing this on the intarweb, google minimal gnome +debian |
| 17:51.35 | zamaliphe | by |
| 17:51.40 | mouldy | npx, ok. Thanks for your help |
| 17:51.43 | sha1sum | hello. I'm looking for an application that can view palmreader format e-books... is there such an application? google turns up virtually nothing |
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| 17:51.50 | zamaliphe | thanks azeem |
| 17:51.54 | xoz_ | donkax: apt-get install doc-linux-tex ... the howtos have docs for this |
| 17:52.00 | npx | mouldy, np |
| 17:52.05 | KerPlunk | sha1sum: What format are ebooks in on your palm? |
| 17:52.07 | jmcm | jjazz: erm... how do i restart it? |
| 17:52.17 | KerPlunk | sha1sum: It could be many many different formats. |
| 17:52.19 | jjazz | jmcm: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 17:52.54 | sha1sum | mime type vnd.palm with a pdb extension |
| 17:53.10 | KerPlunk | sha1sum: jpilot - graphical app. to modify the contents of your Palm Pilot's DBs is probably what you want. |
| 17:53.20 | sha1sum | cool thanks :) |
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| 17:53.45 | sha1sum | will this have to interface with a physical palm? I don't own one, but I found a book I've been looking for in palm format... so a reader is all I want. |
| 17:53.58 | jmcm | jjazz: logs read: I [21/Jan/2006:12:18:01 -0500] LoadPPDs: Wrote "/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 2514 PPDs... |
| 17:53.58 | jmcm | I [21/Jan/2006:12:18:01 -0500] Full reload complete. |
| 17:53.58 | jmcm | I [21/Jan/2006:12:22:48 -0500] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi" (pid=2004) |
| 17:54.02 | KerPlunk | sha1sum: or this.. txt2pdbdoc - convert plain text files to Palm DOC (for PalmOS) and back |
| 17:54.10 | KerPlunk | sha1sum: apt-get install txt2pdbdoc |
| 17:54.24 | jjazz | jmcm: How are you printing your test page? |
| 17:54.33 | jjazz | jmcm: Are you using the web interface? |
| 17:54.37 | jmcm | jjazz: yes |
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| 17:54.54 | jjazz | jmcm: The printer is attached directly to that box? |
| 17:54.58 | Ginx | hello |
| 17:55.00 | jmcm | jjazz: yes |
| 17:55.03 | Ginx | i need some help |
| 17:55.05 | jmcm | jjazz: via USB |
| 17:55.09 | Kurtism | What do Bud Light and sex in a canoe have in common? |
| 17:55.09 | Kurtism | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.17 | jollo | ask away Ginx |
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| 17:55.18 | sha1sum | sweet that's better thanks :) |
| 17:55.23 | elPepo | hi friends |
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| 17:55.31 | elPepo | did someone can play doom3 in linux? |
| 17:55.32 | ronin | Kurtism: wrong, its what so american beer and sex in a canoe have in common |
| 17:55.33 | TriKster-Abacus | good morning again |
| 17:55.42 | Ginx | i want to use alt key with a number to create an ascii character |
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| 17:55.44 | Kurtism | lol |
| 17:55.48 | Ginx | such as i do it on windows |
| 17:55.52 | KerPlunk | elPepo: I played doom3 on my debian etch system |
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| 17:55.55 | Ginx | but i can't do it con debian |
| 17:55.58 | npx | elPepo, yeah, it worked pretty well; you having problems? |
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| 17:56.04 | jjazz | jmcm: What kind of printer is it? |
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| 17:56.14 | Ginx | somebody knows how to do it? |
| 17:56.19 | Kurtism | when will sid be stable 100%? |
| 17:56.19 | jmcm | jjazz: Hewlet Packard Deskjet 842C |
| 17:56.37 | elPepo | yes i have problems: my serial number work fine in windows but doesnt n linux |
| 17:56.51 | TriKster-Abacus | elPepo, you have to use the installer of course for Doom3 then, you have to copy the rest of the *.pak files from the cdroms to your directory where the other *.pak files are |
| 17:56.54 | TriKster-Abacus | same for ROE |
| 17:57.05 | TriKster-Abacus | then do the official update |
| 17:57.07 | jjazz | jmcm: You'll need the hplip or the hpijs package. Install them both. |
| 17:57.16 | Ginx | ='( |
| 17:57.38 | viper1 | lo everyone, i got a horrible "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" message after a kernel update... |
| 17:57.40 | KerPlunk | !tell Ginx about es |
| 17:57.42 | jollo | not my specialty Ginx, but try man terminfo or man termcap |
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| 17:58.12 | elPepo | yes I copy all the files and run well but it need a serial number --> i write the serial number that works in windows but it doesnt work in my debian |
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| 17:58.20 | Ginx | ok |
| 17:58.24 | moshii | viper1: custom kernel or debian? |
| 17:58.38 | viper1 | moshii: debian kernel |
| 17:59.12 | moshii | viper1: does it say much before the panic? |
| 17:59.17 | viper1 | moshii: actually, it was made by someone, scratch the previous, but for debian =) |
| 17:59.18 | jollo | Ginx, try asking question again |
| 17:59.24 | xoz_ | elPepo: it should not work. serial nos. are not crossplatform |
| 17:59.27 | jmcm | jjazz: installed. |
| 17:59.35 | TriKster-Abacus | elPepo, It has to work unless it is a warezed cd key |
| 17:59.40 | jjazz | jmcm: delete the printer, restart cups |
| 17:59.47 | viper1 | moshii: says, "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 17:59.48 | TriKster-Abacus | I have them both installed, windows and debian |
| 18:00.09 | xoz_ | viper1: udev problem? |
| 18:00.10 | Ginx | ok, i want to use the alt + number to create an ascii character, such as i do it on windows |
| 18:00.16 | elPepo | :P |
| 18:00.18 | jjazz | jmcm: We're going to add the hp printer. I think that in that process, we can tell it to use the hp stuff, which will get you closer to printing. |
| 18:00.24 | Ginx | but on debian it does't work |
| 18:00.26 | TriKster-Abacus | Ginx, on IRC, or just in general? |
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| 18:00.31 | Ginx | in general |
| 18:00.34 | TriKster-Abacus | cuz Xchat has all the alt key deals |
| 18:00.47 | moshii | viper1: does this kernel use an initrd? |
| 18:00.50 | TriKster-Abacus | Ginx, otherwise I suggest Google |
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| 18:01.04 | viper1 | i was trying to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6.12 using someone else's package made specifically for my Dell D610 laptop.. |
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| 18:01.11 | jmcm | jjazz: setting up the printer now |
| 18:01.23 | viper1 | moshii: how do i check of it uses initrd |
| 18:01.28 | xoz_ | viper1: possible initrd image problem |
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| 18:02.01 | moshii | viper1: um, you'll have in initrd image for the kernel in /boot and some message on boot maybe |
| 18:02.03 | viper1 | he had a kernel-image-2.6.12.deb file, as well as a kernel-headers-2.6.12.deb file |
| 18:02.09 | viper1 | but i only installed the first |
| 18:02.25 | wpostma | Anyone here used a debian box as an IP WAN router for a T1 line? What T1 interface card did you use? |
| 18:02.30 | jmcm | jjazz: excellent! works! |
| 18:02.37 | Ginx | sorry i was away |
| 18:02.44 | jjazz | jmcm: Good! Congrats. |
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| 18:02.48 | jmcm | jjazz: thank you so much for all your time! |
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| 18:03.03 | Ginx | i search on google how to do it but i don't find any answer |
| 18:03.06 | jjazz | jmcm: My pleasure. I used to bang my head against that wall for hours. Glad to help. |
| 18:03.12 | viper1 | moshii: o yes, i see a boot message a few lines up : initrd-tools: 0.1.84 |
| 18:03.27 | jmcm | jjazz: awesome. thanks so much... bye! |
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| 18:03.33 | xoz_ | viper1: you need to configure /boot/grub/menu.lst to load the initrd aside from the kernel image... check if /boot/initrd.image-2.6.12... exists |
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| 18:03.55 | Ginx | and to use an ascii character i must to go to the characters map and copy de character that i must to use |
| 18:04.01 | viper1 | xoz_: should i reboot w/ the 2.4 kernel then? (for the check) |
| 18:04.15 | Ginx | and it's very difficult to programming |
| 18:04.20 | xoz_ | viper1: boot with the working kernel... edit grub menu... |
| 18:04.24 | xoz_ | viper1: then reboot |
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| 18:04.33 | moshii | viper1: I think you should try the stock debian 2.6.12 kernel to start with as well |
| 18:04.34 | viper1 | oh no... now it wont restart.. |
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| 18:04.53 | viper1 | lol that was scary |
| 18:04.56 | xoz_ | viper1: or you can edit grub during startup... go to grub shell and add the initrd line. |
| 18:05.06 | Kovecses | the xfce4 autorun file built nice on sarge |
| 18:05.33 | xoz_ | viper1: like initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-1-686 or whatever it is called |
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| 18:05.57 | moshii | viper1: keep a debian cd handy at all times, that way if you can boot a kernel for disk you can use th cd to fix it |
| 18:06.14 | moshii | viper1: *can't |
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| 18:06.40 | monteiro | is there any tool to change the X cursor ? |
| 18:06.41 | viper1 | in the process of booting 2.4 |
| 18:07.28 | moshii | monteiro: xcursor I think |
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| 18:07.41 | xoz_ | viper1: if your grub is working at startup... you can alwyas pull the kernel you have using some commands in the grub shell... in the worst case, get livecd like knoppix and access your root from knoppix prompt. |
| 18:07.51 | viper1 | xoz_: to answer your q, there is a initrd.img-2.6.12 under /boot |
| 18:08.17 | monteiro | moshii : there exists libxcursor1 in the repository, but is the lib , not a tool to change the cursor :( tks anyway |
| 18:08.24 | xoz_ | viper1: yep... add the initrd line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 18:08.39 | moshii | monteiro: might be inside another package |
| 18:09.08 | moshii | xoz_: you can rescue systems from the debian installer, there's no need to have crap like knoppix around |
| 18:09.50 | de[a]dline | with the debian installer= |
| 18:09.51 | wpostma | monteiro: there is an xcursorgen binary, but it seems to build files, not change the active one. |
| 18:09.52 | de[a]dline | ? |
| 18:10.00 | Kovecses | nice firefox 1.5 is in backports |
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| 18:10.08 | moshii | de[a]dline: change virtual terminals and press enter |
| 18:10.14 | de[a]dline | how would you rescue a fbsd/ufs system with the debian installer? |
| 18:10.20 | xoz_ | moshii: doesnt matter what tool to use. any livecd or debian cd can get the job done... no need to stereotype. |
| 18:10.34 | de[a]dline | moshii: there is way not enough tools on the small shell |
| 18:10.47 | viper1 | xoz_: so i just add the line "initrd initrd.img-2.6.12" to the bottom of /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 18:10.51 | moshii | de[a]dline: um, you chroot into your system and you have everything |
| 18:11.04 | monteiro | wpostma : yes, if i install gnome, the cursor is changed, but i'm with xfce |
| 18:11.10 | moshii | de[a]dline: chroot /yourroot /bin/sh |
| 18:11.12 | de[a]dline | moshii: and this small shell knows about UFS ? |
| 18:11.14 | xoz_ | viper1: like this, |
| 18:11.16 | xoz_ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 18:11.17 | xoz_ | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-1-686 |
| 18:11.19 | de[a]dline | moshii: i know how to chroot... |
| 18:11.49 | xoz_ | viper1: you have to change the names based on your kernel... just a sample from my menu.lst |
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| 18:11.59 | viper1 | xoz_: so both those lines go to the bottom of menu.lst |
| 18:12.06 | moshii | de[a]dline: does debian support UFS? if so it will load the modules for UFS from udebs |
| 18:12.07 | viper1 | my version of those lines |
| 18:12.35 | de[a]dline | moshii: it does, as a installed system, not sure about d-i |
| 18:12.37 | xoz_ | viper1: usually there are two lines before them... like, |
| 18:12.39 | xoz_ | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.14-1-686 |
| 18:12.40 | xoz_ | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:13.01 | xoz_ | viper1: the you add the line for the kernel and initrd image |
| 18:13.18 | viper1 | they both look lie they're commented out... |
| 18:13.23 | xoz_ | viper1: last line is: savedefault... |
| 18:13.28 | moshii | de[a]dline: well, you can add things to d-i if you want :) |
| 18:13.33 | viper1 | ah nvm |
| 18:13.44 | de[a]dline | afaik, installing a kernel .deb should configure grub menu.lst automatically |
| 18:13.46 | xoz_ | viper1: you can have another set of these lines for another kernel version.... |
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| 18:14.57 | de[a]dline | moshii: lets not start about that now :) |
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| 18:15.15 | xoz_ | de[a]dline: only true if you install etch/stable... upgrading from the previous version does not necessarily do that thing. |
| 18:15.33 | Supaplex | is there something similar to init that keep a process running, even if it exits? |
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| 18:15.43 | eps | I switched from totem-xine to totem-gstreamer and now totem only has a blank (black) screen when it should be playing movies or the visiualisation motion stuff |
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| 18:16.40 | moshii | Supaplex: there's runinit I think... |
| 18:17.18 | DrCurl | hmm, someone can point me what to use to checkout svn under debian, "svn" command line tool seem absent from debian packages? |
| 18:17.50 | npx | DracoDan, apt-get install subversion ? |
| 18:18.00 | DrCurl | ok |
| 18:18.01 | npx | err DrCurl |
| 18:18.05 | DrCurl | thank you |
| 18:18.07 | npx | np |
| 18:18.14 | npx | (maybe subversion-client, dunno) |
| 18:18.28 | moshii | DrCurl: apt-cache search subversion |
| 18:18.34 | xoz_ | subversion, subversion-tools |
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| 18:20.12 | viper1 | xoz_: in /boot/grub/menu.lst it already had the correct lines.. , that is next to kernel, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12 root=/dev/hda1 ro, and next to initrd, /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12 |
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| 18:21.03 | viper1 | xoz_: all under the Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.12 heading |
| 18:21.10 | xoz_ | viper1: possible that the kernel was not correctly configured... try using debian's kernel first. |
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| 18:21.48 | xoz_ | viper1: console problem... is forgetting to enable the pts in the config... or udev problem. |
| 18:21.57 | netcrusher88 | what does the sync option to mount do? |
| 18:21.58 | viper1 | should i have copied over the author's config file as well? |
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| 18:22.37 | viper1 | and replace the one sitting in /boot |
| 18:22.51 | xoz_ | viper1: try the debian kernel first... if you are not familiar with kernel configuration/compilation... not an easy task. |
| 18:23.22 | xoz_ | viper1: not necessarily.. you can have several kernel versions installed... |
| 18:23.25 | jollo | How to reasign n=me@ip.net? in ksirc? |
| 18:24.18 | viper1 | xoz_: and i do.. |
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| 18:24.32 | viper1 | xoz_: but copying over his kernel would make sense? |
| 18:24.32 | netcrusher88 | and, my usb external HD keeps reseting itself, so the file transfers to it die |
| 18:24.40 | viper1 | xoz_: rather, his config file |
| 18:25.00 | xoz_ | viper1: config file is needed if you want to recompile the kernel. |
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| 18:25.26 | viper1 | xoz_: upon installing a kernel, does it create its own config file? |
| 18:26.23 | xoz_ | viper1: nope... but debian kernel package places the copy of config in /boot/config-<kernel version> |
| 18:26.56 | xoz_ | viper1: and /proc/... contains a config file of the kernel also... i cant remember where. |
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| 18:28.22 | viper1 | xoz_: ok i'll try an official version |
| 18:28.33 | xoz_ | viper1: if you want to use someone's config... you have to use make oldconfig... to merge with the current config kernel version since configs from one version to another differs due to new hardware support, etc. |
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| 18:30.28 | xoz_ | viper1: it is much saner to rely on debian kernel... they spent a lot of time making it sure that it will work in most systems. don't repeat the efforts they make... it will not scale well in the long run unless you have really a good reason to waste your time playing with the kernel config and compilation. |
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| 18:30.36 | miki | hello, i got problem with mounting Floppy... it says smth like "bad file system" |
| 18:30.45 | miki | anything i can do with it? |
| 18:31.14 | miki | it shows that its fat under windows |
| 18:31.16 | yacc | dd if=/dev/fd0 | file - # should probably tell you what you've got on the floppy. |
| 18:31.29 | yacc | mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy |
| 18:31.36 | miki | ill try that thnx |
| 18:31.38 | xoz_ | or just try mdir |
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| 18:31.49 | jollo | yacc: do you need to give the number of blocks? |
| 18:32.20 | yacc | You shouldn't need it. |
| 18:32.28 | jollo | interesting, thx |
| 18:32.37 | xoz_ | default is 512? |
| 18:32.42 | yacc | jollo: Most formats are autodetected. |
| 18:32.55 | yacc | xoz: Default for what? |
| 18:33.16 | xoz_ | bytes |
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| 18:33.30 | boburt | question: shouldn't "apt-get -t '2.3.5-1' install libc6" allow me to download that specific version of libc6? |
| 18:33.35 | jollo | so mount -t vfat would be equal to mount -t msdos ? |
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| 18:33.41 | boburt | download/install* |
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| 18:33.49 | don | cant load subtitles in totem ? |
| 18:33.54 | monteiro | i installed apache2 but when i make adress/~username, it says that the user doesnt exist, when is supposed to list the files in my home/public_html |
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| 18:34.48 | sniperyyd | how do i install a .deb? |
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| 18:35.03 | don | can you tell me other user friendly player |
| 18:35.06 | xoz_ | monteiro: edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf .. look for UserDir |
| 18:35.16 | sniperyyd | how do i install a .deb? |
| 18:35.17 | yacc | jollo: Nope. msdos is the 8.3 fs, if I remember right. |
| 18:35.19 | boburt | sniperyyd: i believe it is dpkg -i .deb package |
| 18:35.26 | sniperyyd | boburt: ok thnx |
| 18:35.30 | monteiro | xoz_ : tks u :) |
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| 18:35.54 | jollo | yacc: thx |
| 18:36.02 | xoz_ | monteiro: dont forget to restart apache2... but not a good security to allow userdir |
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| 18:36.48 | S4nD3r | Hi. When I try to connect in Debian box through SSH, I get the message: No Further authentication methods available... How solve it ? |
| 18:36.56 | xoz_ | don: apt-cache search user friendly player |
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| 18:37.26 | monteiro | xoz_ : but if i want to add files to the webserver what is the best way to do it ? |
| 18:37.51 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: you have to use key-based authentication or whatever your sshd is configured to accept in the remote machine |
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| 18:38.23 | xoz_ | monteiro: im not sure.. what about webdav? |
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| 18:38.30 | jollo | xoz_: chmod 701 ~/www ## that is not secure? |
| 18:38.56 | S4nD3r | I dont know what is setup in remote machine |
| 18:39.01 | monteiro | xoz_ : tks, you're right :) |
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| 18:39.06 | npx | I just downloaded this celine dion lullabies album for this girl I know, right? and the cover has dion sporting this wierd green dress thing spooning with a green baby |
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| 18:39.17 | npx | I've been staring at it for 20 minutes |
| 18:39.20 | DuCkNeT | is there any reason that with debian i can`t connect from a dyndns hostname ???? |
| 18:39.21 | xoz_ | jollo: not secure in a sense that other users home may be a point of entry... |
| 18:39.24 | ronin | you dl'd on purpose a celine dion song? |
| 18:39.41 | npx | yeah, I would've bought it but no one has it |
| 18:39.52 | don | i want to play divx movie in debian WITH subtitles (TOTEM CAN NOT LOAD THEM) WHAT SHOULD I USE ? THANK YOU |
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| 18:39.59 | ronin | with good reason npx its celine dion |
| 18:40.01 | jollo | xoz_: chown me.me ~/www ###? |
| 18:40.01 | ronin | eww |
| 18:40.08 | npx | dude it's a bunch of lullabies |
| 18:40.26 | npx | she has a pretty voice |
| 18:40.26 | viper1 | xoz_: btw, if i did find debian's version of kernel 2.6.12, would i have to somehow uninstall the one that doesnt work? |
| 18:40.31 | wpostma | celine, posing for Anne-Geddes. Double smarmy. |
| 18:41.08 | xoz_ | jollo: if there are hundred users... it's possible one of these users is not careful about security... for one user in his own machine, it's not maybe a problem. |
| 18:41.10 | ronin | npx: you can have her, we're quite happy she moved to vegas |
| 18:41.20 | npx | oh, you're canadian? |
| 18:41.23 | DuCkNeT | hello ??? |
| 18:41.24 | ronin | npx: yep |
| 18:41.28 | wpostma | like yeah, eh. |
| 18:41.31 | npx | I should've known =) |
| 18:41.42 | xoz_ | jollo: but better to place it in a chroot. |
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| 18:41.49 | DuCkNeT | can someone help me can`t connect to debian system from outside network |
| 18:41.52 | xoz_ | jollo: or jail for one user. |
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| 18:42.30 | azaz_work | Is the /etc/default directory only for dpkgs configure stage? |
| 18:42.33 | jollo | xoz_: yep, a better policy |
| 18:42.33 | npx | y'know |
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| 18:42.45 | npx | canada gets a bad rap, I like to remind people that canada entered WW2 before the US |
| 18:42.47 | npx | so props to you guys |
| 18:43.00 | flawd | Hi, I use ktorrent and I get crashes. The ktorrent forum says it is a bug and has been fixed with the svn version. I think however the svn version uses kde 3.5. I wonder if I can use the source anyway (guess not), or if there is another fix somehow |
| 18:43.12 | npx | it didn't take a catastrophe on your shores to make you realize the germans needed their asses kicked |
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| 18:43.35 | S4nD3r | Hi. When I try to connect in Debian box through SSH, I get the message: No Further authentication methods available... How solve it ? |
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| 18:43.56 | S4nD3r | I dont know exactelly where to change, neither what to change |
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| 18:44.48 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: your password is rejected or it just doesnt prompt anything to enter? |
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| 18:45.07 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: acessing as root or ordinary user? |
| 18:45.13 | guru | while detecting hardware (after language and keyboard selection) during installation from the sarge netinst cd i am getting the following error: error while running modprobe -v qla1280 |
| 18:45.18 | TNKS | this is kind of a shot in the dark, but is there some nice way to pretty-print the dependency tree of a debian package? |
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| 18:45.19 | S4nD3r | Ask password |
| 18:45.24 | guru | does anyone know what is causing this and perhaps a potential workaround? |
| 18:45.28 | S4nD3r | I trying to acess as root |
| 18:45.36 | TNKS | usint aptitude and apt-cache depend/rdepends isn't exactly expedient. |
| 18:45.38 | CasaNova_ | I am so sorry but I have run out of ideas. My mouse won't work and I can't recall the cmds to see if the CPtr is actually getting data when I move the mouse. I am running 2.6.12 and deb testing... |
| 18:45.47 | S4nD3r | PermitRootLogin yes in sshd_config |
| 18:45.53 | CasaNova_ | I have PS2 mouse on older Compaq deskpro |
| 18:46.10 | blondie | CasaNova_: cat /dev/mouse |
| 18:46.15 | blondie | or whatever the device name is |
| 18:46.18 | blondie | and then move the mouse |
| 18:46.33 | CasaNova_ | It did work at one time but I think I used to use GPM raw to send data to X or hte like... |
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| 18:46.40 | CasaNova_ | blondie, thanks I'll give it a try.. I |
| 18:46.43 | TNKS | CasaNova_, a few other common ones to check are /dev/psaux and also look in /dev/input. |
| 18:46.53 | mhall | What does this kernel error mean? "Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 78139745" |
| 18:47.33 | eeyore- | mhall: is there any more lines before/after that? possibly indicating the real cause of the error? |
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| 18:47.47 | brosiozzz | a irc channel about linux on pda ? |
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| 18:48.02 | S4nD3r | xoz, I reinstalled ssh |
| 18:48.09 | S4nD3r | Now, neither ask password |
| 18:48.15 | npx | brosiozzz, you might have better luck in #debian-it |
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| 18:48.37 | brosiozzz | don't think |
| 18:48.41 | ways | eveninng all |
| 18:48.47 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: no prompt at all... just error? |
| 18:48.54 | S4nD3r | Yes, just error |
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| 18:49.04 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: try ssh -v host |
| 18:49.10 | ways | my question in debian if i want to print to a computer on the network thats running windows can i do that? |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:49.26 | CasaNova_ | Darn No response or output from cat /dev/<mouse>, <input/mice> or <psaux> ! What shoudl I see in dmesg if a ps2 mouse was successfully detected? |
| 18:49.27 | ways | is it hard? |
| 18:50.07 | xoz_ | CasaNova_: modprobe psmouse first |
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| 18:50.20 | CasaNova_ | xoz_ OK |
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| 18:50.40 | xoz_ | ways: with smb i think |
| 18:50.40 | eeyore- | mhall: the line you're pasting is just a common line in fs/buffer.c, the real cause will have been in the caller |
| 18:50.50 | ways | shit gtg cheers |
| 18:50.55 | EdLin | ways: Samba |
| 18:51.04 | CasaNova_ | xoz_ Holy CATS I was going nuts - what file do I stick psmouse in to get that every reboot? |
| 18:51.16 | xoz_ | CasaNova_: /etc/modules |
| 18:51.18 | S4nD3r | xoz, I dont know what is happening |
| 18:51.21 | wpostma | ways: I thought that there was some nice client for SMB printing integrated into the KDE gui and the CUPS printing system. |
| 18:51.24 | _rene_ | CasaNova_: /etc/modules? |
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| 18:51.34 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive ... did you see this line? |
| 18:51.35 | miki | "mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy" gives me something like this: "special device /dev/fd0 does not exist" |
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| 18:51.43 | CasaNova_ | xoz_ any links on why psmouse isnt getting input by installer or the like? |
| 18:51.43 | S4nD3r | Im trying to use SSH from windows, to connect in my linux remote machine |
| 18:51.43 | boburt | anyone know where i can get a .deb package of libc6 version 2.3.5-1? |
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| 18:51.56 | _rene_ | boburt: wtf do you want that? |
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| 18:51.59 | S4nD3r | Theres no password |
| 18:52.03 | boburt | to install libfaad2 |
| 18:52.12 | boburt | so i can play m4a |
| 18:52.12 | xoz_ | CasaNova_: autodetection is utopia... |
| 18:52.15 | S4nD3r | just publichkey, keyboard-interactive |
| 18:52.15 | mhall | eeyore-: let me look around |
| 18:52.18 | _rene_ | boburt: and it does need exactly 2.3.5-1? I doubt that |
| 18:52.36 | boburt | libfaad2-1 depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1); however: |
| 18:52.38 | _rene_ | in any case, 2.3.5 is only in etch and sid and of course there's no backport |
| 18:52.39 | wpostma | S4nD3r, most ssh default installs don't let root login. you have to use "-l userid" |
| 18:52.40 | boburt | ccp'd |
| 18:52.46 | CasaNova_ | xoz_ Ahh Utopia |
| 18:52.52 | wpostma | S4nD3r, ie: ssh myhost -l myuserid |
| 18:52.52 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: then you have to export your public key to the remote server... do you have access to that server? are you admin |
| 18:52.54 | _rene_ | boburt: get a package built for sarge |
| 18:52.56 | S4nD3r | Neither as user |
| 18:52.58 | dusty | Hello guys, i have just put in a new hard disk drive, 200gb. I fdisk'ed it and made one big partition /dev/hdb1, then i did e2fsck /dev/hdb that was ok, then did mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 and that worked, now im trying to automatically mount it, i got /dev/hdb1 /mnt/fileserver ext3 but what about the other options what do i use there? just after type, 'options' 'dump' and 'pass'? |
| 18:53.07 | _rene_ | boburt: that package there obviously isn't. |
| 18:53.11 | xoz_ | CasaNova_: never assume that modules will just be loaded... |
| 18:53.15 | mhall | eeyore-: i suppose it'd be this one |
| 18:53.18 | mhall | eeyore-: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 78139807 |
| 18:53.24 | zamaliphe | hi thank alot azeem evry budy |
| 18:53.26 | boburt | hmm okay |
| 18:53.33 | DuCkNeT | is there any reason i can`t reach my debian system with my isp ip ????????? |
| 18:53.37 | S4nD3r | Im admin xoz |
| 18:53.38 | mhall | eeyore-: basically, some people brought me a defective laptop drive and i was trying to extract the data |
| 18:53.38 | bobbens | dusty: you'll probably want options "defaults" and dump/pass 0/0. |
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| 18:53.48 | dusty | bobbens thanks |
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| 18:53.59 | zamaliphe | but alet mor help |
| 18:54.03 | S4nD3r | Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive |
| 18:54.06 | mhall | eeyore-: and the odd thing is, it didn't make any funny crunch noises, it seemed to pur along happily in its external usb2 case |
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| 18:54.12 | CasaNova_ | xoz_ I never will again - i honestly woudl not have thougth I was missing the module for ps mouse! I thought I had compiled it in - BUt DOH that was back in 2.2 I running stock 2.6 NOW sheesh ... |
| 18:54.20 | mhall | eeyore-: so i suspect the circuit board is shot |
| 18:54.27 | zamaliphe | i need surce url for |
| 18:54.34 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: ok... enable PasswordAuthentication yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config of remote |
| 18:54.37 | miki | i need some help still, i typed: "mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy" and it gave me something like this: "special device /dev/fd0 does not exist", any clues? |
| 18:54.41 | mhall | eeyore-: my buddy who was working on the problem is going to find another logic board and then we'll try again |
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| 18:54.48 | PupenoL | ntp-server (/etc/init.d/ntpd) mantains the clock on sync while running, right ? |
| 18:54.53 | mhall | eeyore-: i was hoping that a dmesg scan might reveal the problem |
| 18:55.18 | mhall | eeyore-: also next time i'll make sure to put the drive on a native ide bus so i don't have the external controller chipset in the way |
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| 18:55.26 | xoz_ | CasaNova_: i always put all the modules i need in /etc/modules and got rid of autodection like discover, etc. |
| 18:55.44 | mhall | eeyore-: the drive initially responds to small i/o requests like listing the contents of the root dir |
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| 18:55.55 | dusty | bobbens I just mounted it like so, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/fileserver and when i do a df -h it shows 178GB and in the bios and dmesg and on the actual hdd it reports around 203.5GB ?? |
| 18:55.58 | mhall | eeyore-: but then locks up if you try to transfer more than 128-256 kb of data afaict |
| 18:56.05 | CasaNova_ | xoz_ Thanks. I'll go update my /etc/modules now. And then get X working again... Hard to program QT with no X running! :-) |
| 18:56.10 | mhall | dusty: yeah that's right |
| 18:56.11 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: or you can export your public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys in the remote |
| 18:56.18 | dusty | ok cool |
| 18:56.19 | dusty | thanks |
| 18:56.27 | DuCkNeT | anyone can help me ??? |
| 18:56.28 | mhall | dusty: because df measures in GiB and BIOS measures in GB |
| 18:56.32 | S4nD3r | Oh... |
| 18:56.32 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: password auth is not good... security-wise |
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| 18:56.39 | S4nD3r | Using terminal command I got to access |
| 18:56.57 | mhall | dusty: also formatting a drive consumes some of the available space to write inodes and journals |
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| 18:57.03 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: what terminal command? |
| 18:57.14 | dusty | mhall That makes sense, thankyou. |
| 18:57.26 | S4nD3r | Im using a client for windows that there are 2 modules |
| 18:57.29 | xoz_ | CasaNova_: go get them :) |
| 18:57.30 | S4nD3r | 1 - like konsole |
| 18:57.37 | S4nD3r | and another like Windows Explorer |
| 18:57.46 | eeyore- | mhall: one sec please |
| 18:57.49 | S4nD3r | using terminal command is ok |
| 18:57.52 | S4nD3r | I got to connect |
| 18:58.00 | S4nD3r | but not using graphical interface |
| 18:58.00 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: what is not ok? |
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| 18:58.35 | xoz_ | S4nD3r: in konqueror, you can use fish://host/ |
| 18:58.45 | mhall | zOap: what's fish? |
| 18:58.51 | mhall | xoz_: what's fish? |
| 18:59.23 | zamaliphe | apt-get source |
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| 18:59.33 | xoz_ | mhall: it allows you to browse your home dir thru ssh protocol... |
| 18:59.34 | zamaliphe | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
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| 18:59.51 | zamaliphe | dos any one help |
| 19:00.27 | xoz_ | mhall: try running konqueror... instead of http, use fish:// ... it's cool for it will treat the remote dir as like a local dir |
| 19:00.54 | mhall | xoz_: yeah i know about kioslaves, i just could never find a list of all of them and what they do |
| 19:01.05 | zamaliphe | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/source/ |
| 19:01.09 | mhall | xoz_: my favorite is audiocd:// . did you ever try it? |
| 19:01.14 | xoz_ | mhall: ah... fish is one. |
| 19:01.33 | S4nD3r | sftp is not working goot |
| 19:01.33 | mhall | xoz_: it generates virtual folders that contain FLAC, OGG, and MP3s of your CD |
| 19:01.44 | zamaliphe | but how i can bot that in suorce.list |
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| 19:01.52 | shishi | hello all |
| 19:02.01 | mhall | xoz_: when you drag them onto an FS it generates the files on the fly using DAE and FreeDB |
| 19:02.01 | shishi | someone use sid withh |
| 19:02.04 | Eulex | zamaliphe, run apt-setup. |
| 19:02.06 | eeyore- | mhall: for recovery work like that, it's always best to remove the middle-man, in this case it's your USB bridgeboard |
| 19:02.06 | xoz_ | mhall: cool. i use streamtuner... and streamripper... for getting mp3s :) |
| 19:02.10 | shishi | someone use sid withh a Vaio FS .? |
| 19:02.10 | mhall | xoz_: that's pretty h4x0r, wouldn't you say |
| 19:02.34 | eeyore- | mhall: but, still, it's common for IDE errors to end up propagated by the USB bridgeboard as some other obscure errors, sometimes the board would just give up |
| 19:02.36 | shishi | i have problem when i boot cd install ,it hang at pcmcia service |
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| 19:02.43 | mhall | eeyore-: right-o; next time around that's the plan; this time was kind of a preliminary test |
| 19:02.54 | xoz_ | mhall: some kde stuffs are really pioneering... |
| 19:02.56 | eeyore- | mhall: and if you know you have a bad hardware, i would use dd_rescue |
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| 19:03.11 | zamaliphe | eulex bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 19:03.18 | eeyore- | mhall: and when you have enough data off of it, you can always run e2fsck (or hopefully if it's NTFS then let NT repair it) |
| 19:03.25 | Eulex | zamaliphe, run it as root. |
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| 19:03.40 | mhall | eeyore-: right-o; plan is to use dd_rhelp on it once i can get it responding to i/o requests |
| 19:03.40 | eeyore- | mhall: this should work for majority of simple rescues, except the ones where the drive's electronics is shot ... |
| 19:03.44 | miki | i need some help still, i typed: "mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy" and it gave me something like this: "special device /dev/fd0 does not exist", any clues? |
| 19:03.53 | mhall | eeyore-: and then after that use BartPE |
| 19:03.59 | zamaliphe | i m root root@zam |
| 19:04.01 | eeyore- | mhall: in that case you have to pay big bucks if the data is important :-) |
| 19:04.08 | xoz_ | miki: what about mdir ? |
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| 19:04.22 | mhall | eeyore-: not my data; i'm doing it for practice and because i had success on my last personal drive that did it |
| 19:04.24 | miki | didnt try |
| 19:04.31 | Eulex | zamaliphe, if that command doesn't exist, either your system is broken or you're not on debian. |
| 19:04.31 | miki | im pretty new to debian |
| 19:04.34 | mhall | eeyore-: i managed to save my 200 GB 'interesting file' disk |
| 19:05.27 | mhall | miki: hmm, surprising you have not got an fd0 |
| 19:05.36 | mhall | miki: can you do me a favor and try fat instead of vfat |
| 19:05.42 | mhall | miki: i doubt it will work but try anyway |
| 19:05.48 | miki | ok |
| 19:05.58 | mhall | miki: i just want to make sure i have you test everything |
| 19:05.59 | zamaliphe | im using dibian arbian arbian http://arabian.arabicos.com/ |
| 19:06.02 | Eulex | miki, maybe it's /dev/fd/0? |
| 19:06.07 | Padnah | My OS is Debian GNU-Linux sarge 3.1. I have installed the update Mozilla 1.7.12. It installed into a different location than 1.7.8. Version 1.7.12 uses the bookmarks in common with 1.7.8. If I uninstall 1.7.8 will the bookmarks be deleted by the uninstall? And will an uninstall of 1.7.8 cause a problem with the Debian package? |
| 19:06.10 | xoz_ | mhall: the device does not exist. |
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| 19:06.35 | mhall | xoz_: yeah i know but using vfat would eventually be trouble even once we find the device |
| 19:06.39 | Eulex | zamaliphe, that's not debian. |
| 19:06.53 | mhall | xoz_: and i've gotten ... odd errors when i use the wrong fs type |
| 19:07.04 | zamaliphe | ok but its using debian |
| 19:07.12 | mhall | !based on debian |
| 19:07.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 19:07.32 | Eulex | zamaliphe, it uses the same package management system, yes, but it's not debian. |
| 19:07.33 | zamaliphe | !based on debian |
| 19:07.34 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:07.38 | mhall | zamaliphe: game over; you lose; insert coin to continue |
| 19:07.48 | typewriter | i just apt-get install eggdrop, and everything is in root owned directorys, i want to run eggdrop on a nonroot user, how? |
| 19:08.13 | mhall | typewriter: no way in hell you want to run *that* as root ;-) |
| 19:08.20 | typewriter | i dont |
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| 19:08.29 | mhall | typewriter: right, i was agreeing with you ;-) |
| 19:08.29 | typewriter | but all the files are in /usr/share/eggdrop |
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| 19:08.40 | xoz_ | typewriter: run it as ordinary user... it will not have root access unless it is setuid |
| 19:08.45 | mhall | ricercar_: hmm do you run gentoo? |
| 19:08.57 | zamaliphe | ok her is on: (:) |
| 19:09.08 | mhall | typewriter: it can actually be good to have the bot not own the files |
| 19:09.19 | typewriter | xoz_: so i just put the .conf file in a user dir, and eggdrop from there? |
| 19:09.19 | ricercar_ | mhalt: do you mean the OS or the utility? |
| 19:09.21 | zamaliphe | ok her is one coin(:) |
| 19:09.22 | mhall | typewriter: prevents the bot from doing bad things to them if it gets out of control |
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| 19:09.37 | xoz_ | typewriter: try it |
| 19:09.38 | typewriter | it's ok that /usr/share/eggdrop is root owned but is world readable? |
| 19:09.41 | mhall | ricercar_: was just cracking a joke about your nick ;-) |
| 19:09.50 | stew | mhall: i'm guessing he's a bach fan |
| 19:09.53 | mhall | typewriter: a *lot* of things are world readable |
| 19:09.56 | typewriter | mhall: true |
| 19:09.59 | Jeaton | stupid question but why would debian provide mingw, if there is gcc? |
| 19:10.11 | mhall | Jeaton: cross compile? |
| 19:10.12 | Eulex | zamaliphe, ok, that coin redirected you to the right channel, #arabianlinux or whatever, kthx |
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| 19:10.23 | ricercar_ | mhall: :) Ity's actually musical - the forerunner of the fugue |
| 19:10.28 | zamaliphe | ha ha |
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| 19:10.32 | mhall | zamaliphe: the slot for the coin is #arabian |
| 19:10.41 | xoz_ | typewriter: ownership does not mean that when you run it, it has root priveleges... effective user id is still the user who runs it, not the root. |
| 19:10.44 | zamaliphe | but ther is no one thir |
| 19:10.55 | miki | ima test mdir and -fat, brb |
| 19:10.57 | xoz_ | *privileges* |
| 19:11.00 | mhall | zamaliphe: that's why it's better to run debian; we have support |
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| 19:11.07 | stew | ricercar means to search, which was bach's invitation to explore the structure of his fugue for hidden meanings, or something like that |
| 19:11.15 | zamaliphe | iam in #arabian |
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| 19:11.24 | mhall | stew: i was thinking ricer car |
| 19:11.27 | ronin | zamaliphe: is that a linux channel though? |
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| 19:11.52 | ricercar_ | mhall: :) I think it roughly means 'I'm trying' in Italian |
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| 19:11.59 | mhall | ronin: no; because he uses an obscure distribution |
| 19:12.15 | ronin | mhall: ahh, this should be interesting then |
| 19:12.16 | mhall | Eulex: btw good 'coin' comeback ;-) |
| 19:12.21 | ricercar_ | stew: you are a scholar and a gentleman, Sir :) |
| 19:12.37 | mhall | ricercar_: yeah stew is pretty sharp |
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| 19:12.58 | mhall | although i suspect the weird half-baked stuff i often say annoys stew quite a bit ;-) |
| 19:12.58 | zamaliphe | #arabian is an arabic chanel |
| 19:13.16 | Eulex | zamaliphe, that's quite obvious |
| 19:13.27 | stew | mhall: i'm too busy enjoying the garbage collection in python to read what you are saying most of the time :) |
| 19:13.30 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: no, it is *impossible* |
| 19:14.08 | zamaliphe | xoz_ zamaliphe: no, it is *impossible*????? |
| 19:14.16 | mhall | stew: lol probably better you miss it |
| 19:14.22 | stew | </mhalltroll> |
| 19:14.38 | mhall | stew: now do you mean fighting the garbage collection or reimplementing it |
| 19:15.00 | zamaliphe | iam egyptian |
| 19:15.00 | mhall | stew: or laughing at me the whole time for my dislike of its memory management ;-) |
| 19:15.07 | stew | that |
| 19:15.15 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: see? |
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| 19:15.46 | asg | Eulex: or hire a neighborhood kid to do it for you |
| 19:15.46 | stew | Eulex: lay off, i was only trying to troll mhall and i'm done :) |
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| 19:15.56 | mhall | stew: lol |
| 19:16.02 | Eulex | stew, hehe |
| 19:16.05 | mhall | stew: you're the only funny troll that ever trolled me |
| 19:16.05 | ricercar_ | I gotta problem, fellas. I want to add debian/etch to my sources.list, but apt fails, saying it can't find the Packages file (which I'm trying to access at http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386) |
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| 19:16.10 | mhall | stew: the rest are just stupid |
| 19:16.13 | N0S3 | stew: hello |
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| 19:16.43 | stew | ricercar_: can you hit it in a browser? i can |
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| 19:17.04 | _rippy_ | hello everyone? |
| 19:17.05 | |maestro | hi |
| 19:17.05 | ricercar_ | stew: yep. How do I tell apt about it though? |
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| 19:17.10 | mhall | _rippy_: 'lo |
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| 19:17.25 | N0S3 | stew: |
| 19:17.42 | stew | ricercar_: dunno, but let's step back a second. are you intending to mix some etch packages into your stable install? |
| 19:17.57 | mhall | zamaliphe: alright i found you a good place to ask your question |
| 19:18.02 | mhall | zamaliphe: http://www.arabian.arabicos.com/forums.htm |
| 19:18.13 | mhall | zamaliphe: there you can ask in AR or EN, whichever you prefer |
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| 19:18.35 | xoz_ | ricercar_: try apt-setup.. then, once it works, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add etch by cpying and changing every occurrence of stable |
| 19:18.37 | zamaliphe | but i need it now |
| 19:18.54 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: |
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| 19:18.57 | ricercar_ | stew: no. I just upgraded to demudi 1.3.0 and want straight etch stuff, too. |
| 19:18.58 | mhall | zamaliphe: the longer you wait to post the longer you wait for a correct answer |
| 19:19.03 | stew | doh |
| 19:19.11 | zamaliphe | you dont wont to help me |
| 19:19.12 | ricercar_ | xoz: thanx. Looking into that now ... |
| 19:19.27 | _rippy_ | I coud'nt find any proper documentation about instaling mplayer with a skin(gmplayer).....can any1 help me with that documentation? |
| 19:19.31 | mhall | zamaliphe: we *can't*; you don't run our version of linux |
| 19:19.34 | stew | i still need to figure out if apt-setup is going to end up back in a .deb |
| 19:19.47 | mhall | stew: it's always been in base-config |
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| 19:19.56 | stew | !+info base-config sid |
| 19:19.57 | dpkg | base-config: (Debian base system configurator (transitional version)), section admin, is important. Version: 2.76 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 19:20.05 | asg | mhall: it was removed from that package in sid though |
| 19:20.07 | stew | mhall: base-config is getting removed |
| 19:20.08 | mhall | stew: it's just that new things that have been coming into unstable conflict against base-config |
| 19:20.31 | mhall | i retract my statement |
| 19:20.31 | stew | mhall: they are getting rid of base-config entirely |
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| 19:20.48 | mhall | stew: to replace it with what? |
| 19:20.58 | mhall | stew: dpkg-reconfigure apt? |
| 19:21.00 | zamaliphe | i only need urls for :apt-get source |
| 19:21.01 | _rippy_ | no1? |
| 19:21.08 | asg | mhall: d-i will handle all that in a single pass |
| 19:21.10 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: apt-setup |
| 19:21.11 | stew | mhall: doing everything in stage one of the install, before the reboot so there is no need for a second stage base-config |
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| 19:21.24 | mhall | zamaliphe: ok easy enough; take /etc/apt/sources.list; copy the lines for binary stuff |
| 19:21.24 | N0S3 | stew: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ----> not working , why? |
| 19:21.37 | mhall | zamaliphe: except, where deb went before, put deb-src |
| 19:21.44 | ricercar_ | xoz_: Nope. apt-setup (for ftp) also balks at the same line - can't find Packages :( |
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| 19:21.49 | mhall | zamaliphe: but if that doesn't work there is not much we can do |
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| 19:21.55 | mhall | ricercar_: clearly a mirror choice issue |
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| 19:22.05 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 19:22.16 | mhall | ricercar_: so you better be ricercarring a new mirror |
| 19:22.20 | stew | N0S3: that is working for everything but searching, searching is on the same box as ftp.debian.org and the box was overloaded so all non-static content has been disabled |
| 19:22.26 | mhall | xoz_: he doesn't use real debian; that won't work |
| 19:22.34 | xoz_ | ricercar_: try another site... or it is possible the site is still mirroring |
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| 19:22.50 | _Roey | Hello |
| 19:22.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:22.52 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:22.54 | mhall | !tell N0S3 about apt-file |
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| 19:23.01 | viper1 | hi, i'm trying to upgrade my kernel, but "wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2" won't work |
| 19:23.13 | Eulex | !wayc viper1 |
| 19:23.13 | dpkg | viper1: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:23.17 | xoz_ | mhall: i will assume he is using debian... it will be his problem translating it to his system ;) |
| 19:23.19 | mhall | viper1: ftp://ftp. ... |
| 19:23.22 | viper1 | apt get doesnt work either.. |
| 19:23.26 | mhall | xoz_: yeah fair enough |
| 19:23.33 | mhall | !tell viper1 about doesn't work |
| 19:23.34 | _Roey | Tasksel doesn't offer any 'Development Environment' option. Which packages (aside from gcc-4.0) do I need in order to able to use ./configure? |
| 19:23.35 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 19:23.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 19:23.41 | mhall | Eulex: beat ya |
| 19:23.52 | Eulex | hehe |
| 19:23.52 | zamaliphe | xoz_ thats what i was need to |
| 19:23.53 | stew | _Roey: build-essential |
| 19:23.54 | tarzeau | _Roey: manpages-dev what kind of development do you want to do? |
| 19:23.57 | _Roey | ste*thanks* |
| 19:24.05 | _Roey | tarzeau: I just meant to compile nessus 3.0. |
| 19:24.06 | _Roey | er |
| 19:24.10 | ricercar_ | mhall I've also tried http://mirrors.sunsite.dk and ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 19:24.10 | _Roey | its GUI client. |
| 19:24.10 | zamaliphe | xoz_ thanks alot |
| 19:24.16 | mhall | _Roey: hold on a minute please |
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| 19:24.21 | _Roey | tarzeau, stew: thanks again :) |
| 19:24.24 | Eulex | _Roey, apt-get build-dep nessus |
| 19:24.26 | _Roey | mhall: I think I got it--one sec. |
| 19:24.28 | mhall | ricercar_: ? hmm try testing instead of etch |
| 19:24.28 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: how do you say that in your language? |
| 19:24.33 | tarzeau | _Roey: well what gui is that? qt? gtk1? gtk2? gnustep? motif? |
| 19:24.39 | mhall | _Roey: no i mean i might be able to save you some trouble |
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| 19:24.43 | _Roey | Eulex: not fakeroot debuild ?? |
| 19:24.44 | viper1 | ty mhall, that worked |
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| 19:24.47 | _Roey | tarzeau: gtk2 |
| 19:24.53 | _Roey | mhall: oh... ok |
| 19:24.55 | zamaliphe | say what |
| 19:24.59 | joder | there is a spanish debian channel on this server_? |
| 19:25.02 | zamaliphe | thanks |
| 19:25.03 | stew | !es |
| 19:25.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:25.04 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: thank you |
| 19:25.17 | joder | thans |
| 19:25.22 | zamaliphe | shokraan |
| 19:25.30 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: in egyptian lingo? |
| 19:25.39 | zamaliphe | shokraan |
| 19:25.48 | xoz_ | zamaliphe: that's cool... |
| 19:25.59 | zamaliphe | شكراً |
| 19:26.03 | _Roey | wow |
| 19:26.03 | mhall | _Roey: no i guess i can't because nessus is now nonfree |
| 19:26.10 | _Roey | zamaliphe: looks like Arabic script here |
| 19:26.16 | _Roey | mhall: well you can |
| 19:26.21 | ricercar_ | mhall: OK ... Nope again, same problem. Here's my actual line from sources.list: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 19:26.25 | Eulex | _Roey, umh... that command will install the packages needed for building the nessus that is in debian. will quite likely be the ones needed for nessus 3.0 minus or plus a few things. |
| 19:26.27 | _Roey | mhall: the GUI source at least is available. |
| 19:26.29 | N0S3 | stew: ok , I understand the situation |
| 19:26.33 | _Roey | mhall: however proprietary its nature. |
| 19:26.43 | mhall | _Roey: yeah that's not the problem; i was hoping i could find you a package of it |
| 19:26.43 | _Roey | Eulex: that's what I figured |
| 19:26.50 | mhall | _Roey: and then all you'd need would be dpkg -i |
| 19:26.51 | Eulex | _Roey, available != free |
| 19:26.56 | shokraan | zamaliphe: how popular linux in egypt? |
| 19:27.04 | mhall | ricercar_: let me check here |
| 19:27.04 | _Roey | mhall: ah! heh. I didn't think of looking at apt-get.org even |
| 19:27.25 | _Roey | Eulex: yeah, sucks that Tenable chose to sell out but I suppose it was bound to happen. |
| 19:27.26 | zamaliphe | not mutch is windows |
| 19:27.30 | _Roey | much |
| 19:27.35 | zamaliphe | not mutch as windows |
| 19:27.40 | _Roey | *much |
| 19:27.43 | mhall | _Roey: hmm i found one |
| 19:27.50 | _Roey | mhall: you're kidding me ;) |
| 19:27.50 | _Roey | wow |
| 19:27.51 | _Roey | thanks |
| 19:28.49 | mhall | _Roey: you can dl the deb through here http://www.nessus.org/download/index.php using instructions from here http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/8915 |
| 19:28.58 | _Roey | hmm |
| 19:29.03 | _Roey | mhall: that's the GUI client? |
| 19:29.10 | _Roey | mhall: the server deb I've installed already. |
| 19:29.14 | mhall | _Roey: oh hmm |
| 19:29.21 | viper1 | quick question: where did wget dl my file? =P |
| 19:29.26 | mhall | _Roey: i didn't realize they did not have it all package |
| 19:29.29 | _Roey | mhall: they don't seem to offer a .deb for the GUI ;) |
| 19:29.33 | mhall | viper1: what dir were you in during the dl |
| 19:29.37 | mhall | _Roey: bastards |
| 19:29.39 | _Roey | mhall: hah, proprietary vendors.... |
| 19:29.54 | _Roey | mhall: see, when they go proprietary, then THEY turn into the distributors. |
| 19:30.01 | viper1 | mhall: i had just logged in as root...but i cant find it anywhere |
| 19:30.07 | mhall | _Roey: yeah it *does* say in the instructions that you must dl and compile the client |
| 19:30.17 | mhall | _Roey: but let's see if there's a backdoor in the backdoor detector |
| 19:30.27 | _Roey | mhall: which means that they need to narrow down the list of distros that they can support. |
| 19:30.30 | EdLin | viper1: it might be in /root. Next time use su to work as root... |
| 19:30.34 | _Roey | mhall: heh |
| 19:31.09 | mhall | EdLin: word to that |
| 19:31.12 | xoz_ | viper1: or better use sudo instead of su for root. |
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| 19:32.21 | EdLin | xoz_: yes, sudo is better, but it requires configuration and doesn't come with the system, so I mentioned su, which of course isn't bad. |
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| 19:34.00 | EdLin | xoz_: the sudoers manpage uses EBNF. :-) |
| 19:34.04 | Thumann | Hi, i'm 'trying' to compile GCC-3.4.3 in a lfs enviroment.. i'm using debian as base system.. everything has been working without out erros.. untill this :-/ any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/37626 |
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| 19:34.14 | mhall | EdLin: *gasp* |
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| 19:34.35 | viper1 | xoz_: thx, i found where it was, moved it to /usr/src, and tried to untar it w/ "tar -xjvf linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2" ; the error informs me that such a file doesnt exist |
| 19:34.58 | viper1 | which is untrue, for it shows up if you list the files/directories.. |
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| 19:35.12 | EdLin | mhall: otherwise the manpage is helpful, just skip to EXAMPLES |
| 19:35.13 | mhall | Thumann: yeah probably need to try find / -iname \*.h -print and add some dirs to your CFLAGS |
| 19:35.25 | mhall | Thumann: -I dir -I dir -I dir ... |
| 19:35.32 | mhall | Thumann: then retry the build |
| 19:35.32 | viper1 | should i dl bunzip..? |
| 19:35.50 | mhall | Thumann: this happened to me in Solaris when i bootstrapped userspace |
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| 19:36.06 | EdLin | viper1: try ./linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2 - there is a possibility that root doesn't include the current directory for security reasons. |
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| 19:36.29 | mhall | EdLin: dude it's not being executed |
| 19:36.51 | EdLin | mhall: you're sure? |
| 19:37.16 | Gathond | EdLin: noone should include . in their path, for security reasons |
| 19:37.19 | EdLin | viper1: well, you do need to apt-get bzip2 |
| 19:37.19 | mhall | Thumann: i might be one of only a handful of people that figured out how to bootstrap the GNU userspace right on solaris using only a gcc 3.3 executable and libgcc.so |
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| 19:37.38 | mhall | EdLin: that restriction only applies to $PATH |
| 19:37.45 | sohmestra | using tcpwrappers & hosts.allow: is it possible to specify a default ALL: rule but then override it for certain services? |
| 19:37.56 | sohmestra | for example, ive got: |
| 19:37.58 | mhall | EdLin: it doesn't apply when resolving CLI parameters, which is does inside the utility with stat(), etc. |
| 19:38.10 | sohmestra | slapd: 192.168.10.2 |
| 19:38.13 | EdLin | mhall: Oh. Thanks |
| 19:38.14 | xoz_ | viper1: why not download the deb file? |
| 19:38.20 | mhall | EdLin: yeah np |
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| 19:38.24 | sohmestra | ALL: 192.168. EXCEPT 192.168.10.2 |
| 19:38.37 | mhall | EdLin: it's just something i could share from having written *lots* of CLI unix utes |
| 19:38.49 | sohmestra | but it doesnt seem to be honoring the slapd: rule |
| 19:39.10 | sohmestra | any ideas? |
| 19:39.15 | viper1 | xoz_: there's a deb file |
| 19:39.16 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I use 'screen' often and I noticed that 'vbell_msg' isn't displayed instead of beep in screen. Why it is so? |
| 19:39.21 | EdLin | mhall: yeah, if I had thought of it I would realize that argv doesn't have anything to do with $PATH |
| 19:39.22 | viper1 | xoz_: ? |
| 19:39.38 | mhall | sohmestra: ALL: 192.168. looks funny to me but i never edited this conf file either |
| 19:39.49 | tarzeau | damn i still can't type # in de_CH sid X |
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| 19:39.59 | sohmestra | mhall: it means match everything starting with 192.168. |
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| 19:40.07 | tarzeau | who the fuck broke this shit? and fucking when will this shit be fixed? |
| 19:40.08 | mhall | tarzeau: odd; is the altgr sequence missing |
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| 19:40.23 | tarzeau | mhall: and who will fix it when? it's so annoying |
| 19:40.24 | mhall | tarzeau: i've had *real* problems with xorg 6.9 |
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| 19:40.33 | tarzeau | i should've stayed with xfree |
| 19:40.38 | monteiro | what is used by the users to add files to apache, any module in special ? |
| 19:40.41 | mhall | tarzeau: it broke my graphics driver; talking to gravity he said he's had a lot of headaches |
| 19:40.42 | tarzeau | or get more us keyboards |
| 19:40.55 | mhall | tarzeau: how about downloading xlibs 6.8 instead of 6.9 |
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| 19:41.22 | Thumann | mhall: hmmm.. CFLAGS are used to tell the compiler what cpu n' stuff you have right? |
| 19:41.24 | tarzeau | mhall: too lazy |
| 19:41.25 | mhall | tarzeau: or just editing /etc/X11/xkb/... |
| 19:41.37 | mhall | Thumann: *can be used* to do that |
| 19:41.37 | tarzeau | i'm expert on de_CH and us keyboards 10fingers blindly |
| 19:41.40 | tarzeau | wanna typespeed? |
| 19:41.41 | deconvolution | hi, does someone use rotating package with latex, i found it doesnt work properly |
| 19:41.51 | tarzeau | mhall: even too lazy for that |
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| 19:41.53 | mhall | Thumann: but any C compiler options are fair game |
| 19:42.06 | Thumann | mhall: Hmm.. :-/ i'm not really sure what i need to do then |
| 19:42.14 | mhall | Thumann: I TOLD YOU WHAT TO TRY |
| 19:42.25 | Thumann | :D |
| 19:42.26 | zamaliphe | dos any on have an idea about |
| 19:42.28 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.34 | EdLin | !mhallsmite Thumann |
| 19:42.39 | tarzeau | !topicsmite zamaliphe |
| 19:42.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon zamaliphe. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:42.41 | mhall | Thumann: add -I dir -I dir -I dir ... to CFLAGS and retry the build |
| 19:42.49 | mhall | EdLin: i think somebody got offended and deleted it |
| 19:42.57 | EdLin | mhall: phoey |
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| 19:43.05 | Thumann | mhall: yeah.. but which dirs? xD |
| 19:43.06 | mhall | EdLin: yeah shitstick |
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| 19:43.18 | mhall | !zoosmite Thumann |
| 19:43.18 | dpkg | Fuck, fuck, fuck a duck; screw a kangaroo! Finger-bang an orangutan-- God, Thumann loves the zoo! |
| 19:43.27 | jetscreamer | boo |
| 19:43.32 | Thumann | hmm.. colorfull |
| 19:43.33 | mhall | Thumann: yeah probably need to try find / -iname \*.h -print and add some dirs to your CFLAGS |
| 19:43.41 | viper1 | EdLin: frozen at 0% when i did apt-get install bzip2... strange |
| 19:43.44 | Thumann | well. when i find / -iname \*.h -print |
| 19:43.45 | mhall | Thumann: you can't say i didn't try to help you |
| 19:43.49 | Thumann | my screen is flodded |
| 19:43.52 | Thumann | *flooded |
| 19:43.54 | Eulex | zamaliphe, umh... you're not trying to use debian apt sources on that arabian linux thing? |
| 19:43.57 | jollo | recommended LAMP install guide for debian sarge current |
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| 19:44.07 | mhall | Thumann: so you're complaining but you didn't tell me what was wrong |
| 19:44.11 | mhall | Thumann: try this instead then |
| 19:44.16 | Thumann | hehe |
| 19:44.23 | mhall | Thumann: find / -name stdio.h -print |
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| 19:44.31 | mhall | !stab Thumann |
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| 19:44.36 | mhall | Thumann: ;-) |
| 19:44.44 | asg | jollo: apt-get install apache mysql-server php4 php4-mysql libapache-mod-php4 (read /usr/share/doc/*/) |
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| 19:44.49 | stew | jollo: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server-4.1 php4-mysql |
| 19:45.06 | Thumann | /tools/include/bits/stdio.h |
| 19:45.06 | Thumann | /tools/include/stdio.h |
| 19:45.07 | Thumann | then |
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| 19:45.14 | Thumann | the ones in the source dirs are shite.. right? |
| 19:45.16 | stew | jollo: asg's is for apache, mine is for apache2, you pick |
| 19:45.22 | zamaliphe | Eulex whay?? |
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| 19:45.42 | Thumann | or.. /usr/include acutally |
| 19:45.43 | asg | jollo: mine is also for mysql 4.0 though you can bung -4.1 on the end of mysql-server if you wish |
| 19:46.04 | Eulex | zamaliphe, eh? |
| 19:46.16 | jollo | apt-get install apache # defaults to most recent apache2 ? |
| 19:46.30 | Thumann | !crazy_love mhall |
| 19:46.32 | Thumann | ;D |
| 19:46.33 | asg | jollo: no, 1.3. |
| 19:46.48 | EdLin | jollo: apt-cache policy apache - to find out the version of a package |
| 19:46.52 | jollo | #but mysql, and php default to most recent? |
| 19:47.41 | mhall | Thumann: yeah you probably need to add /tools/include to CFLAGS with -I, re-./configure, and retry the build |
| 19:47.53 | stew | jollo: apache gets you the most recent apache1 apache2 gets you the most recent apache2, likewise for mysql-server->4.0 and mysql-server-4.1 ->4.1 |
| 19:48.11 | mhall | Thumann: errors like this in GNU builds are catastrophic because you lose all of the .o files and stuff when you reconfigure even trivial build vars |
| 19:48.31 | mhall | Thumann: hence why bootstrapping userspace on solaris took me 1.5 40-hour workweeks |
| 19:49.20 | mhall | !mhallsmite GCC's build system |
| 19:49.21 | Thumann | mhall: i see |
| 19:49.33 | mhall | EdLin: w00t! |
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| 19:49.53 | EdLin | mhall: the smite is back! |
| 19:49.58 | mhall | Thumann: and did i mention, i had a system with 18 CPUs |
| 19:50.00 | zamaliphe | i cane use dibian backeg so whay i dont ?Eulex |
| 19:50.04 | mhall | EdLin: and revised to boot |
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| 19:50.12 | mhall | EdLin: that'll teach em to fuck with my smites |
| 19:50.18 | LSorensen | mhall: funny number of cpus. :) |
| 19:50.19 | Thumann | mhall: ? christ.. |
| 19:50.29 | EdLin | mhall: what's the difference? |
| 19:50.29 | Eulex | zamaliphe, because it will probably break your system if you attempt to use debian packages on arabian linux. |
| 19:50.30 | mhall | LSorensen: yes |
| 19:50.33 | stew | mhall: i removed after it was used to attack a random newcomer |
| 19:50.35 | asg | LSorensen: we have a 6800 with 12 |
| 19:50.38 | Thumann | LSorensen: heh! yeah.. shouldn't it be 16? |
| 19:50.46 | mhall | stew: oh, was i responsible for this? |
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| 19:50.52 | stew | mhall: no |
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| 19:50.55 | LSorensen | Thumann: doesn't have to be. |
| 19:50.59 | mhall | stew: i try to avoid attacking random newcomers because i was one once too |
| 19:51.09 | LSorensen | Thumann: just often powers of 2 are used. |
| 19:51.16 | mhall | stew: so if i had done that i would have felt bad |
| 19:51.17 | zamaliphe | nob i dont think so |
| 19:51.20 | mhall | asg: yeah is was a sun box |
| 19:51.22 | LSorensen | Thumann: the xbox360 has 3 cpus, and that is fine too. |
| 19:51.31 | EdLin | asg: the 6800 8 bit processor? Or do you mean 68K? |
| 19:51.41 | mhall | LSorensen: i think some of them were broken and there were supposed to be 20 |
| 19:51.46 | asg | EdLin: E6800 |
| 19:51.50 | mhall | LSorensen: our sun cpus had a *lot* of dead caches |
| 19:51.52 | LSorensen | mhall: nice of the system to work anyhow |
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| 19:52.15 | mhall | LSorensen: but the bad thing was they were only 400 mhz |
| 19:52.21 | asg | EdLin: it's still a piece of crap though. We put a 'Built for Windows 98' sticker on the front after the 3rd CPU card died mysteriously. |
| 19:52.27 | mhall | LSorensen: woe, oh woe, oh woe, was me when make -j failed to work |
| 19:52.32 | viper1 | hi, what does "ln -s linux-2.6.12 linux" do? |
| 19:52.46 | asg | viper1: creates a symlink. 'man ln' |
| 19:52.54 | stew | viper1: creates a symlink that you have no reason to create |
| 19:52.57 | ricercar_ | EdLin: I really prefer the 6809, it's got everything you need in a modern processor (myself, circa 1979) |
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| 19:53.06 | jetscreamer | hey no, i am woe |
| 19:53.09 | mhall | LSorensen: like the time i tried it on Xerces 2.6 and got a 400kb 'complete xml processing library' with barely any nm output |
| 19:53.09 | Eulex | viper1, still trying to compile a kernel? why are you attempting to compile a kernel? |
| 19:53.20 | mhall | LSorensen: i was *not* happy |
| 19:53.40 | viper1 | yea, i'm... lost... |
| 19:53.44 | viper1 | everything is failling... |
| 19:53.51 | viper1 | failing* |
| 19:53.51 | EdLin | ricercar_: I never used the Motorolla 68xx series, but I did use its cousin the 6502 and did a little assembly programming with it. Sweet, much nicer than Intel. |
| 19:53.52 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 19:53.52 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 19:53.54 | zamaliphe | by |
| 19:53.59 | Eulex | viper1, why are you trying to compile a kernel? |
| 19:54.15 | jetscreamer | tell him 'because it's there!' |
| 19:54.19 | mhall | it *is* god's way to punish you for having a prebuilt kernel, that's so entirely true :-D |
| 19:54.20 | ricercar_ | EdLin: Amen top that, Brother |
| 19:54.23 | viper1 | Eulex: i'm simply trying to upgrade to 2.6.12 |
| 19:54.28 | ricercar_ | s/top/to/ |
| 19:54.46 | Eulex | viper1, why? |
| 19:54.59 | viper1 | Eulex: I eventually got the file, moved it to /usr/src, untarred it... then what? |
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| 19:55.03 | LSorensen | mhall: I think most people are punished enough by trying to not use a prebuilt kernel. and initrd's are a great thing. |
| 19:55.05 | EdLin | ricercar_: the 6800 had two accumulators and the 6502 had only one, but the 6502 had a couple of additional addressing modes. |
| 19:55.12 | wpostma | viper1, what about the prebuilt 2.6.14? |
| 19:55.13 | viper1 | because 2.6.12 supports my SATA hd |
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| 19:55.37 | viper1 | wpostma: same steps? |
| 19:55.56 | mhall | LSorensen: well prebuilt can be ok if somebody else prebuilt it |
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| 19:56.07 | mhall | LSorensen: but if you are the prebuiler, it's pretty rough |
| 19:56.13 | mhall | LSorensen: my problem is that i use laptops |
| 19:56.14 | LSorensen | mhall: the debian supplied ones work great for most things. |
| 19:56.16 | ricercar_ | EdLin: the 6809 had to address regs, too. It was a sweet little machine which outperformed my IBM-PC(clone) |
| 19:56.20 | Eulex | viper1, ok. you can get an image of 2.6.12 from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 19:56.25 | LSorensen | mhall: I have no problem making my own initrd enabled kernels. |
| 19:56.25 | ricercar_ | s/to/two/ |
| 19:56.29 | LSorensen | mhall: it's no big deal |
| 19:56.30 | Eulex | wpostma, no, he can't. |
| 19:56.31 | mhall | LSorensen: i don't see the point |
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| 19:56.45 | mhall | LSorensen: the only time it would help me is with dsdt overrides |
| 19:56.54 | LSorensen | mhall: supporting diverse hardware with one build. supporting changing hardware configs over time without having to change your kernel every time |
| 19:56.54 | wpostma | sorry, I meant 2.6.12. my 2.6.14 deb is custom/local |
| 19:57.00 | mhall | LSorensen: but the dsdt fix i need is set it and forget it so i just statically link in the header file |
| 19:57.00 | Custom | Hey all |
| 19:57.02 | Eulex | wpostma, the 2.6.14 kernel depends on stuff that is not in stable. |
| 19:57.07 | EdLin | ricercar_: those processors could beat PCs at everything except multiplication. |
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| 19:57.12 | Eulex | wpostma, ok |
| 19:57.25 | mhall | LSorensen: for me it's faster just to relink the kernel by saving my .o files |
| 19:57.30 | opnsrc | Does anyone know of a GUi where the menu editor works? |
| 19:57.32 | mhall | LSorensen: and then sudo cp and sudo lilo |
| 19:57.58 | LSorensen | mhall: I use make-kpkg. I believe in consistency. |
| 19:57.58 | LSorensen | mhall: and lilo sucks! |
| 19:57.58 | EdLin | opnsrc: most window managers can use text editors to edit the menus. |
| 19:58.05 | mhall | LSorensen: but if i were running a fleet of systems i'd use kernel packages |
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| 19:58.15 | mhall | LSorensen: i *do* know how to make them but just choose not |
| 19:58.28 | wpostma | viper1, in order to get sarge and kernel 2.6.14, I used kenshi's unoficial sarge installer, which installed a custom/local 2.6.14 with initrd. |
| 19:58.32 | opnsrc | how would I edit nautilis? |
| 19:58.32 | mhall | LSorensen: grub locks up on most of my machines and i'm not expert enough to submit bug reports |
| 19:58.38 | opnsrc | nautilus * |
| 19:58.44 | wpostma | viper1, the url for kenshi's iso is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26 |
| 19:58.51 | LSorensen | mhall: I do run multiple systems. even if I didn't I would use make-kpkg, if I didn't use the prebuilt kernels. For 2.6 kernels I have used the debian kernels. before 2.6 I made my own. |
| 19:59.02 | ricercar_ | EdLin: you're dead right. I ran OS9-lev.2 until my 1st UN*X system came (an orphaned Victory mini, 68010, UNIX sys III) |
| 19:59.10 | wpostma | I used it to get SATA support working on Sarge, with my Dell PCs. |
| 19:59.12 | LSorensen | mhall: odd. grub has worked on every system I have used it on from 486 to athlon64 |
| 19:59.35 | viper1 | wpostma: you suggest i dl, burn another cd and install |
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| 19:59.47 | Thumann | mhall: so! i've added --with-cflags=/usr/include to my configure command.. it's compiling now.. now i'll just have to wait.. 30 min to see if it's working -_- |
| 20:00.05 | wpostma | viper1, if you're screwed, it wouldn't hurt. :-) It's the newby thing to do. :-) If you can't compile a kernel, use the installer to install a binary. |
| 20:00.09 | EdLin | ricercar_: Sys III? I thought I was the old-timer having ran SysVr2 |
| 20:00.18 | mhall | Thumann: best of luck |
| 20:00.18 | Goldfisch | I switched from KDE to GNOME recently. I notice there are no screensavers installed, requiring me to turn off my monitor when not using. Anybody recommend a screensavers package? |
| 20:00.24 | EdLin | or was it r3? I don't remember |
| 20:00.32 | mhall | Thumann: i'm sorry that it sucks so much |
| 20:00.39 | Eulex | viper1, just get the right 2.6.12 kernel image from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 20:00.46 | ricercar_ | EdLin: I also had UniStride SysVr2 on my Stride 460 |
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| 20:00.53 | Thumann | mhall: well.. you did want me too add the line there right? or am I just shooting blanks like my old lady says I am.. |
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| 20:01.04 | viper1 | Eulex: alright, but there seem to be sev choices |
| 20:01.07 | wpostma | Yeah, Eulex is right, viper1. |
| 20:01.13 | mhall | Thumann: no you did it right ;-) i'm just sorry to have to tell you it's so miserable |
| 20:01.13 | ricercar_ | OK folks, gotta go now, See you |
| 20:01.15 | Eulex | viper1, sure there is. what's your cpu? |
| 20:01.20 | EdLin | ricercar_: my first Linux kernel was 0.95 - so I probably have beat you there. ;-) |
| 20:01.31 | viper1 | probably going to go w/ ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-386_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 20:01.45 | EdLin | ricercar_: nice talking with you. |
| 20:01.51 | ricercar_ | EdLin: by 0.4% |
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| 20:02.07 | Thumann | mhall: hehe.. well.. i'll try that cooking thing while it compiles.. i'm hungry as hell ;D i'm so good at making takeout pizza.. |
| 20:02.08 | viper1 | pentium m |
| 20:02.09 | ricercar_ | EdLin: same to you :) gotta go |
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| 20:02.25 | Eulex | viper1, get the 686 one. |
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| 20:02.48 | EdLin | does anyone know of an American Debian mirror that doesn't suck? |
| 20:02.59 | Thumann | needs to be american? |
| 20:03.16 | EdLin | Thumann: well, as long as it is fast from USA I'm not picky. |
| 20:03.21 | Thumann | hang on then |
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| 20:04.08 | ronin | why only from the usa? |
| 20:04.12 | mhall | Thumann: yeah that sounds like a good idea; i'm going to get some before my phone job interview |
| 20:04.19 | Thumann | EdLin: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ |
| 20:04.25 | viper1 | Eulex: ok, i'll wget that, then dpkg -i the .deb file right |
| 20:04.27 | TriKster-Abacus | EdLin, there is a program, can't remember it, prolly someone else does, it searches the fastest deb mirrors and adjusts your sources.list for you |
| 20:04.31 | mhall | EdLin: mirrors.kernel.org and mirrors2.kernel.org work great on my 80mb fiber |
| 20:04.32 | wpostma | Edlin, why not run that apt-automatic-selection -thingy? |
| 20:04.34 | TriKster-Abacus | it is in the repo, at least testing |
| 20:04.37 | mhall | EdLin: i get megabytes per second |
| 20:04.48 | Thumann | mhall: your phone job interview? to lazy to show up in person? |
| 20:05.00 | wpostma | Edlin, netselect-apt. Get it. |
| 20:05.12 | TriKster-Abacus | wpostma, ya, thats it |
| 20:05.17 | TriKster-Abacus | thanks for refreshing my memory |
| 20:05.20 | mhall | Thumann: no they want to do phone to see if i'm an idiot before they drag me in |
| 20:05.23 | wpostma | I used it and it works GREAT. |
| 20:05.32 | TriKster-Abacus | ya, it is pretty cool |
| 20:05.35 | Thumann | mhall: so no hope there huh? :-/ |
| 20:05.41 | EdLin | wpostma: I'm on dial-up, that sort of thing takes to long. |
| 20:05.41 | Thumann | ;P |
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| 20:05.53 | mhall | Thumann: hell, i moved 1500 miles away to get a job off of a phone interview; i'm hardly lazy |
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| 20:06.17 | mhall | Thumann: yeah, i'm nobody's expert, that's for sure, but i do my damn job and i try my hardest and take it seriously |
| 20:06.28 | Thumann | mhall: hehe.. that's 6 times the length of my country :D |
| 20:06.39 | mhall | Thumann: i think socratically |
| 20:06.41 | Thumann | mhall: no one could/should ask more ^^ |
| 20:06.41 | wpostma | Edlin: Let it run. It will optimize you from thereon out. If mirrors.kernel.org doesn't do it for you. |
| 20:06.44 | viper1 | Eulex: btw, what if grub already contains a 2.6.12 kernel in the menu; will installing this one overwrite the previous? |
| 20:07.04 | mhall | Thumann: it's better to assume that i don't know anything and work from there than to assume i know something or everything and work from that |
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| 20:07.21 | Thumann | mhall: aye.. only answer when spoken too ^^ |
| 20:07.35 | wpostma | viper1 - unique filename, no problem, same filename, it would replace it. |
| 20:07.52 | gind2 | what is the debian, or linux, default ttl for IP packets??? |
| 20:07.55 | mhall | Thumann: i've learned a lot over the years from hacking, going to college, and since a few months ago switching to fulltime unix |
| 20:08.10 | mhall | Thumann: it helped having an 8-month internship that was all unix all the time |
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| 20:08.25 | cyzie | how to add command using sudo to a user? |
| 20:08.26 | deadcat | xcompmgr and transset is in experimental. |
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| 20:08.29 | mhall | Thumann: i got a lot more expert at C library tricks, coding, good use of tools, good thought processes |
| 20:08.30 | deadcat | just to let you guys know |
| 20:08.35 | Thumann | mhall: a few months ago i switched to fulltime win32 hehe |
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| 20:08.55 | mhall | Thumann: but even so i really don't know much; the field is huge, i just hack and try my best |
| 20:09.07 | rever | Hi is xorg-7.0 installable via apt? |
| 20:09.13 | azeem | no |
| 20:09.18 | EdLin | wpostma: OK |
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| 20:09.51 | bobbens | rever: i think it might be in experimental, but you dont want to go there |
| 20:10.12 | rever | bobbens, No think I will wait till it gets in unstable atleast. |
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| 20:10.29 | azeem | rever: why do you need 7.0 and not 6.)? |
| 20:10.32 | azeem | eh, 6.9 |
| 20:10.38 | azeem | 6.9 is in unstable |
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| 20:10.56 | leblavet | do you speak french |
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| 20:11.19 | leblavet | rty |
| 20:11.27 | gind2 | Anyone know the tcp/ip default ttl value in debian?? |
| 20:11.28 | TriKster-Abacus | 6.9 and 7 are the same, one is modular |
| 20:11.30 | fsm | gnu/linux |
| 20:11.31 | rever | azeem, was thinking about messing around with xgl to help report bugs |
| 20:11.38 | fsm | xgl |
| 20:11.41 | TriKster-Abacus | look on on xorg/opendesktop's page |
| 20:11.49 | TriKster-Abacus | you can compile 6.9 yourself |
| 20:11.57 | azeem | rever: I don't think that's in 7.0 either |
| 20:12.01 | Padnah | Is there a method to create a shortcut to the desktop an instance of Mozilla in root? My OS is Debian GNU-Linux sarge 3.1. My CDE is KDE |
| 20:12.04 | briend | is multipath supported on sarge with the stock 2.6.8 kernel? multipath-tools is installed but I get "device mapper prerequisites not met" error |
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| 20:12.08 | TriKster-Abacus | 7.0 if I read correctly, you have to build the modules |
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| 20:12.22 | rever | TriKster-Abacus, Yeah but you need & modular to run xgl |
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| 20:12.42 | rever | azeem no I would compile it my self and install. |
| 20:12.49 | azeem | rever: ah |
| 20:12.56 | EdLin | Padnah: wtf do you want to run Mozilla as root?! |
| 20:12.59 | TriKster-Abacus | you will have to go to xorg/opendesktop and check on that |
| 20:13.10 | TriKster-Abacus | I dunno |
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| 20:13.12 | TriKster-Abacus | I used 6.9 |
| 20:13.21 | Padnah | EdLin, some updates and installs require root permissions |
| 20:13.29 | TriKster-Abacus | it really didn't have anything so great that would make me want to use it permenantly |
| 20:13.35 | EdLin | Padnah: use gksu or gksudo |
| 20:13.37 | viper1 | Eulex: great, same problem as the custom kernel-- /sbin/init : 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file followed by kernel panic--not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 20:13.39 | rever | I have been reading up on it and sound interesting and want to help out. It should make it into xorg in the next few months. |
| 20:13.51 | TriKster-Abacus | cool |
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| 20:14.01 | TriKster-Abacus | I will only try it once it hits deb /testing |
| 20:14.18 | TriKster-Abacus | if it really boosts performance and makes my Enlightenment e16 look better! |
| 20:14.35 | Padnah | EdLin, do you mean to open an instance of Mozilla using those commands? I am the ultra-noob to Linux |
| 20:14.42 | TriKster-Abacus | a lot of Gentoo ricers have tried it.. and have had some issues |
| 20:14.51 | rever | I don't mind using unstable but I have going into debian experimental for xorg. I may just compile and load myself. |
| 20:14.53 | TriKster-Abacus | at least 4 of the Gentoo people I know |
| 20:14.58 | EdLin | Padnah: yes. If they aren't in a menu run them from alt-f2 |
| 20:15.06 | TriKster-Abacus | rever, make sure you back up your old stuff |
| 20:15.19 | EdLin | Padnah: you'll need to apt-get them if they aren't on your system |
| 20:15.23 | rever | TriKster-Abacus, will create a ghost image before hand |
| 20:15.31 | TriKster-Abacus | oh, ya good idea rever |
| 20:15.36 | TriKster-Abacus | 8D |
| 20:15.37 | bobbens | TriKster-Abacus: those gentoo users are kamikazee's |
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| 20:15.58 | Padnah | OK, EdLin, will go to Kpackage and see if I have them installed |
| 20:15.59 | TriKster-Abacus | bobbens, I know, I was one till I got sick of the issues, then I switched distros, till I had debian |
| 20:16.02 | Thumann | mhall: no dice.. still the same error :'( |
| 20:16.07 | TriKster-Abacus | and debian is way faster then my gentoo was |
| 20:16.16 | TriKster-Abacus | plus, you can still compile your own stuff in Debian |
| 20:16.28 | bobbens | TriKster-Abacus: i've tried gentoo, and always end up coming back, nothing like good 'ol debian |
| 20:16.29 | TriKster-Abacus | and make a .deb too |
| 20:16.31 | rever | TriKster-Abacus, I also have a gentoo box I do testing on. My load it to it also been looking at this http://www.hboeck.de/item/266 |
| 20:16.33 | TriKster-Abacus | bobbens, agreed |
| 20:17.30 | TriKster-Abacus | hehe, did you read the problems so far down a little? |
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| 20:18.11 | TriKster-Abacus | but, ya with gentoo running the same exact software, in a 32bit install was actually slower |
| 20:18.45 | TriKster-Abacus | glxgears for instance, same drivers, same kernel, same video card was only ~6000fps in Gentoo, in Debian it is ~14000fps |
| 20:18.48 | rever | TriKster-Abacus, Yeah there is quite a bit of issues. I have sent a few question on x-org mailing list. |
| 20:18.54 | TriKster-Abacus | rever, cool |
| 20:19.04 | bobbens | TriKster-Abacus: glxgears means shit |
| 20:19.06 | viper1 | wpostma: i'm considering trying out your suggestion of using sarge w/ kernel 2.6.14... it will work w/ my umm.. half-installed debian =P ? |
| 20:19.17 | TriKster-Abacus | bobbens, I know.. but I still use it |
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| 20:19.34 | madclicker | is there a way to convert avi files for playback in dvd players? |
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| 20:19.49 | bobbens | TriKster-Abacus: i've played around with card settings, getting up to 40% less fps in glxgears, but ut2k4 runs just the same in all set ups |
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| 20:20.08 | Thumann | madclicker: convert them to svcd or something |
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| 20:20.21 | Thumann | madclicker: www.videohelp.com got convert guides for anything |
| 20:20.30 | azaz_work | Is there any compelling difference between software raid 5 over three disks rather than three full disk partitions? |
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| 20:22.15 | Thumann | azaz_work: well.. if you use software raid 5, you can still loose a disk without loosing data.. if you use 3 single disks.. you ofc. loose the data on the disk that dies.. |
| 20:22.33 | rns | slt aider moi je vien juste dinstaller linux je menbroille |
| 20:22.44 | azeem | !fr |
| 20:22.44 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:22.45 | Thumann | ^^ what he said |
| 20:22.47 | Ugly_Duck | ok, i cannot get my system to boot, i have booted off a resuce cd, its up but i cannot get lilo to install.. i have a tekram scsi card, how can i make a boot floppy to include the scsi drivers? |
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| 20:23.42 | azaz_work | Thumann: Oh let me clarify three full disks (hde hdk and hdi) or three whole disk partitions (hde1 hdk1 and hdi1) |
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| 20:24.05 | Thumann | ahh |
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| 20:24.17 | EdLin | Ugly_Duck: try grub. (Are you installing Sarge?) |
| 20:24.47 | Thumann | azaz_work: well.. if you have like a hde2 and you use it for something else.. you could/will have some performance issues.. but yes.. it can be done.. |
| 20:24.49 | Ugly_Duck | EdLin: no, its a bf24 kernel as it allows me to load up the drivers from floppy on install |
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| 20:25.18 | wpostma | Ugly_Duck: is this vintage hardware? |
| 20:25.28 | Thumann | azaz_work: search/Access time will decrease to that disk if the other partition also is in use.. which would slow the array down.. |
| 20:25.35 | Ugly_Duck | wpostma: if you call a tekram scsi card vintage then yes |
| 20:25.40 | Thumann | *volume |
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| 20:26.50 | mhall | Thumann: shit |
| 20:27.02 | mhall | Thumann: better try the CFLAGS environment var and i'll tell you why |
| 20:27.15 | mhall | Thumann: because bootstrapping GCC calls other configure scripts besides the main one |
| 20:27.30 | mhall | Thumann: so what can happen is that one of these scripts is not passed --with-cflags |
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| 20:27.35 | mhall | Thumann: and therefore b0rks the build |
| 20:27.36 | wpostma | Ugly_Duck - I would be tempted to try a livecd to see what it can detect, or the sarge installer. |
| 20:27.37 | Thumann | ahh |
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| 20:27.49 | Thumann | crud |
| 20:27.50 | mhall | Thumann: you probably also better double-check your --with-prefix option |
| 20:27.59 | Thumann | yeah.. not sure it's supported.. |
| 20:28.12 | Thumann | didn't complain though |
| 20:28.17 | alien3456 | guys, im running an install via internet, and the mirror i chose is completely not responding |
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| 20:28.23 | alien3456 | how can i stop and pick a new one |
| 20:28.25 | mhall | Thumann: and possibly --disable-rpath as well |
| 20:28.30 | Ugly_Duck | wpostma: k, at the moment i jsut get a lilo 99 99 99 error on bootup, just wana revive lilo and system should boot, i have a 50mb partition for boot and a 8gb partition as my / root |
| 20:28.54 | viper1 | bbl |
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| 20:29.02 | mhall | Thumann: no, --with-prefix works, because i used it on solaris to redo userspace |
| 20:29.08 | Ugly_Duck | wpostma: i dont like my chances though, as most dont support the tekram scsi card's |
| 20:29.11 | wpostma | Ugly_Duck: How about booting into sarge installer cdrom, and chrooting, and then rerun lilo. |
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| 20:29.33 | Ugly_Duck | wpostma: gotta get the drivers loaded so i can use the drives /dev/sda1 etc |
| 20:29.43 | mhall | Thumann: ok i need to power off this box because it has a loud 7000 RPM cpu fan and i don't want my interviewer to think i might be cheating on my interview and using the internet |
| 20:29.59 | mhall | Thumann: so i'll be back in a couple of minutes on my laptop and then i can try to help you think this through some more |
| 20:30.05 | wpostma | Ugly_Duck, let the kernel detect it on its own, use the sarge installer or a debian livecd and chroot. |
| 20:30.16 | Ugly_Duck | k |
| 20:30.20 | Thumann | mhall: cool, and best of luck with the interview |
| 20:30.24 | usual | During install, is there a way I can configure all my nic's during install instead of just the primary one? |
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| 20:30.50 | leccux | bonjour |
| 20:30.58 | mhall | Thumann: thanks |
| 20:31.04 | wpostma | usual: I'd go into /etc/network/interfaces find the eth0 chunk and copy it, paste it, and rename the second one to eth1. :-) |
| 20:31.23 | usual | wpostma, huh? |
| 20:31.34 | usual | I want to configure all the nics during install |
| 20:31.34 | usual | differently |
| 20:31.42 | usual | instead of doing them after install |
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| 20:31.54 | wpostma | usual: I've never seen a menu option in the d-i for that. |
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| 20:33.16 | usual | wpostma, there used to be |
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| 20:33.39 | wpostma | maybe it was a casualty of the auto-detection improvements to the sarge d-i |
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| 20:34.07 | wpostma | I seem to remember a lot of "off the beaten track" stuff from the old installer is gone now. |
| 20:34.26 | usual | wpostma, you used to be able to go through all aspects of the install in a menu |
| 20:34.36 | wpostma | is anyone bemoaning the loss of task-select. :-) |
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| 20:35.29 | minozaorg | Hi..is there anyone who have any experinces of using a graphical interface in Debian? |
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| 20:36.24 | pixolet | minozaorg, which one? |
| 20:36.27 | wpostma | minozaorg, you mean KDE, Gnome, XFCE? |
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| 20:36.59 | minozaorg | clear |
| 20:37.21 | tricky | I know your not supposed to mix stable packages with unstable ones but if openoffice for example is v1.1 in the stable branch. Would it be ok if i got the 2.X tars and installed openoffice that way? It would not collide right? |
| 20:37.25 | minozaorg | uh..we tried wiht KDE adn gnome |
| 20:37.37 | minozaorg | gnone did work wel at all..we coldn't change resolution |
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| 20:37.55 | minozaorg | we've an intel 810 |
| 20:38.01 | wpostma | minozaorg - a laptop? |
| 20:38.39 | minozaorg | no a ..oh I've to ask..I'm not at the machne physicaly... |
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| 20:39.23 | minozaorg | Do you recomend Gnome, KDE or..? |
| 20:39.28 | wpostma | minozaorg, get on the machine in question, open up a chat client, and ask again. |
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| 20:39.50 | wpostma | Your resolution issue probably won't depend on which desktop environment you choose. It's probably an XFree86 configuration issue or driver/kernel issue. |
| 20:39.56 | alien3456 | i like fluxbox |
| 20:40.06 | DuCkNeT | can anyone help me ???? |
| 20:40.14 | DuCkNeT | i can`t access my box remotely |
| 20:40.15 | th__ | hi, is it appropriate to ask a tech question here? |
| 20:40.31 | diogenes | DuCkNeT: why not? |
| 20:40.35 | wpostma | DuCkNeT, using SSH, or what? |
| 20:40.36 | DuCkNeT | i don`t know |
| 20:40.42 | blondie | th__: if it's debian related :P |
| 20:40.44 | bobbens | th__: probably more apropriate then asking if you can ask |
| 20:40.46 | DuCkNeT | i can locally (on the same netrwork) but if i go home i can`t |
| 20:40.48 | th__ | blondie :) it is |
| 20:40.51 | wpostma | DuCkNeT, You can't ping, you can't ftp? What? |
| 20:40.51 | DuCkNeT | yeah ssh |
| 20:40.57 | DuCkNeT | or even my http server |
| 20:40.59 | blondie | th__: why wouldn't it be then? :P |
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| 20:41.05 | DuCkNeT | i can ping |
| 20:41.08 | alien3456 | quick question, what is the best mirror to use in a network debian installation? |
| 20:41.13 | alien3456 | eastern USA |
| 20:41.14 | pixolet | DuCkNeT, have you opened the ports on your modem/router? |
| 20:41.15 | DuCkNeT | but cannot acces any services on it |
| 20:41.16 | diogenes | DuCkNeT: is there a firewall in between? |
| 20:41.17 | wpostma | If you're from home, it could be routing, network, private IP addresses. |
| 20:41.17 | th__ | ok, my problem is that I installed mysql-server long ago on my debian..but I don't remember what I set for the root password. So now I can't create a new database. How do I reset the password? |
| 20:41.24 | DuCkNeT | yeah dmz directly on the box |
| 20:41.33 | blondie | um |
| 20:41.34 | th__ | well blondie - some chans have strict rules against asking technical questions ;) |
| 20:41.38 | DuCkNeT | i tried with a windows (changed the dmz) and it worked but not with the linux box |
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| 20:41.44 | wpostma | DuCkNeT, also ssh might be set to work only on one interface on that box (eth0 but not on pppoe, for instance) |
| 20:41.46 | blondie | th__: what would you ask in here? |
| 20:41.53 | blondie | th__: or on freenode? |
| 20:42.01 | th__ | blondie: I just asked :) |
| 20:42.03 | DuCkNeT | it work on both private network i have here |
| 20:42.17 | wpostma | DuCkNeT, what do you mean "dmz directly on the box". |
| 20:42.17 | tricky | perhaps my q was a bit to obvious, i just whant to be on the safe side of things |
| 20:42.23 | blondie | th__: no, if technical questions were banned, then what could possibly be talked about? |
| 20:42.33 | DuCkNeT | well it foward all request to the linux box |
| 20:42.46 | DuCkNeT | from the router |
| 20:42.47 | th__ | blondie: maybe about development of the next version of debian etc.. and you'd have a separate #debian-help channel or whatever |
| 20:42.52 | diogenes | blondie: philosophy |
| 20:42.53 | th__ | I was just trying to be polite ;) |
| 20:42.55 | DuCkNeT | any packet going in is going to linux box |
| 20:43.00 | wpostma | DuCkNeT, you need to ask the admin of that machine. If you're the admin of the machine, you've got to learn a little more about networking. |
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| 20:43.04 | blondie | th__: i see |
| 20:43.05 | Mxyzpltk | DuCkNeT: and that box is configured correctly to see the internet? can it go out ? |
| 20:43.11 | wpostma | he be gone. |
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| 20:43.20 | Gathond | th__: I think I remember the mysql manual having some information about starting the server without loading in any priviledge information |
| 20:43.44 | th__ | Gathond: I never got further than the README.Debian.. but you might be right |
| 20:44.06 | th__ | I was hoping I could just edit a config file or something |
| 20:44.13 | FliesLikeABrick | i think i'm overlooking something simple when i try to use distcc, is anyone willing to help me out to figure out what i'm overlooking? |
| 20:44.39 | blondie | th__: you might get better answers in #mysql |
| 20:44.46 | Gathond | th__: nope, the usernames are stored as part of the database as a myisam table |
| 20:44.48 | ubu | how to implement SCTP in debian? |
| 20:44.53 | th__ | ok Gathond thanks |
| 20:44.56 | blondie | what is SCTP? |
| 20:45.16 | ubu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:45.36 | Gathond | th__: but the server can be started without reading that (making every connection admin) with some cmd line option, but you would have to check the documentation for that |
| 20:45.48 | th__ | I couldn't find it with mysqld --help |
| 20:45.52 | th__ | but I'll ask in mysql |
| 20:46.31 | Mxyzpltk | ubu: apt-cache search sctp will give you some hints, and linux related sctp documentantion will apply as any other distro |
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| 20:47.25 | ubu | ok, i will try. thanks |
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| 20:48.07 | dominicano | hi |
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| 20:50.41 | azureus-users | test |
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| 20:51.16 | Thumann | recieved ^^ |
| 20:51.30 | lafs | Hello Debian GNU/Linux hackers. |
| 20:51.57 | Kurtism | it would be nice if postfix smtp auth would work |
| 20:52.17 | azureus-users | Any knows if the lastest ppc testing supports install with an Airport Extreme? |
| 20:52.30 | lafs | Is there anyone who can help me with something; |
| 20:52.53 | Thumann | lafs: tough question really |
| 20:52.56 | azureus-users | I'm trying to install Debian on my Mac, but I only have a WiFi link. |
| 20:53.04 | blondie | lafs: don't ask to ask :P |
| 20:53.13 | lafs | :) |
| 20:53.31 | lafs | I'm having a Toshiba Satellite L20 |
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| 20:53.59 | lafs | I tried to install Debian GNU/Linux (sarge) 3.1 |
| 20:54.04 | lafs | But, |
| 20:54.12 | lafs | suddenly, |
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| 20:54.38 | azureus-users | And I've heard a rumor that the lastest linux kernel support Airport Extreme |
| 20:54.49 | lafs | During the boot time, after bootstrap and init, some errors appeared.. |
| 20:55.00 | azureus-users | So if the lastest testing Debian installer support installing via Airport Extreme? |
| 20:55.29 | xoz_ | azureus-users: #debian-boot? |
| 20:55.55 | azureus-users | xoz_, What is debian-boot? |
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| 20:56.25 | azureus-users | I've downloaded ppc stable installer, it cannot recognize my wireless card. |
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| 20:56.39 | xoz_ | azureus-users: /j #debian-boot |
| 20:56.50 | sohmestra | how does one exlude IPSec traffic using tcpdump's filters? |
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| 20:57.05 | sohmestra | this is what i'm trying: # tcpdump -i eth1 not host mx.hrcsb.org and not port ssh |
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| 20:57.26 | sohmestra | where mx.hrcsb.org is the host involved in the ipsec ommunication |
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| 20:57.48 | troyme | I have a problem when run mlterm,Unable to start - open_screen_intern() failed,how to solve it??? |
| 20:58.00 | lafs | Is there anyone who has TOSHIBA Satellite L20 and have installed Debian GNU/Linux successfully; |
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| 20:58.48 | th__ | ok I figured it out with my mysql.. thanks for the help |
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| 21:00.26 | troyme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.18 | subopt | Can anyone recommend a hierarchical todo-list manager for linux? |
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| 21:02.41 | dondelelcaro | subopt: I use devtodo |
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| 21:03.04 | subopt | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll check it out. |
| 21:03.06 | nkuttler | subopt: hnb is nice, curses-based |
| 21:03.20 | gnufa1 | hierarchical todo... I have enough trouble with simple lists of to-dos |
| 21:03.42 | subopt | nkuttler: thanks. sounds light. |
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| 21:07.17 | alien3456 | how do i finish my debian installation? i've installed debian using the "Minimal Network Installation" cd, and now I'm at the CLi |
| 21:07.21 | alien3456 | first time using debian... |
| 21:07.51 | Thumann | troyme: can you start it as root? |
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| 21:08.12 | pipeline | alien3456: Well, i think you are finished. What do you want to do now? |
| 21:08.23 | troyme | Thumann:can't |
| 21:08.33 | xoz_ | dondelelcaro: this is OT. i saw you are in #R. do you know the command like rep(runif(1),10) but generates different nos. rep() just repeat the values... |
| 21:08.40 | alien3456 | get all of the optional packages, right now im pretty sure i just have all of the basics |
| 21:08.44 | pipeline | alien3456: You could try installing the "x-window-system", "gnome-desktop-environment" and "gdm" to get a desktop up and running. |
| 21:08.56 | troyme | Thumann:happened some time before |
| 21:09.03 | alien3456 | is there a package for fluxbox? |
| 21:09.10 | alien3456 | much rather use that |
| 21:09.19 | bobbens | alien3456: apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox |
| 21:09.28 | alien3456 | great, thanks |
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| 21:10.13 | cj | hey folks. is ftp.debian.org broken? |
| 21:10.24 | Thumann | alien3456: i'd also install discover mdetect read-edid |
| 21:10.27 | bobbens | cj: i think it's down :) |
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| 21:10.40 | bobbens | cj: mirrors.kernel.org is up thiough |
| 21:10.50 | joey___ | I am trying to run vncserver, and connect to it remotely. When I run "vncserver," it seems to load fine, but "netstat -l" doesn't show anything listening on port 5901, and "ps -ax | grep vnc" doesn't show it running. When I try to connect with my VNC client, it says: "connection refused()" |
| 21:10.58 | cj | bobbens: alrighty. switch0r |
| 21:10.59 | Thumann | alien3456: it'll help ya find your mouse, gfx card etc.. |
| 21:11.13 | cj | aw, man... this is going to take 20 more seconds! |
| 21:11.13 | x10\20 | joey___: have you changed the configuration? |
| 21:11.25 | alien3456 | alright, sounds good |
| 21:11.37 | cj | *whew* |
| 21:11.38 | alien3456 | that would be "apt-get install discover mdetect read-edid" |
| 21:11.39 | cj | back to it. |
| 21:11.46 | joey___ | no, I haven't |
| 21:11.47 | Thumann | alien3456: correct |
| 21:11.56 | xoz_ | joey___: you have to create ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 21:11.57 | wpostma | joey___, uninstall vncserver and install vnc4server instead. see if that fixes it. |
| 21:12.11 | Thumann | cj: yeah.. down here.. |
| 21:12.12 | alien3456 | Thumann: thanks a bunch, i'll see how it goes after X11 and Flux are done |
| 21:12.32 | Thumann | intall those packages before x-window-system |
| 21:12.33 | troyme | Thumann :i google it and find some have the same problem but no solution :( |
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| 21:13.34 | wpostma | joey___, the task name in "ps aux" output should be Xvnc, I think, if you typed "vncserver :1" to start it. |
| 21:13.37 | alien3456 | Thumann: okay, so I should remove X11, and do discover etc, and get it again? |
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| 21:14.02 | joey___ | "grep vnc" is the only process containing the string "vnc" |
| 21:14.03 | bobbens | alien3456: no need, just do that then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:14.16 | Thumann | alien3456: well.. if you allready installed it just run this afterwards "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 21:14.19 | Thumann | ah.. nvm.. |
| 21:14.22 | Thumann | what he said ^^ ;P |
| 21:14.23 | joey___ | xoz, what do i need to put in ~/.vnc/xstartup? |
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| 21:14.29 | wpostma | joey__, vncserver package is very old and crappy version of vnc server. vnc4server is non-crappy. |
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| 21:14.58 | tummyacid | im trying to install blackbox |
| 21:14.59 | xoz_ | joey___: yep. try vnc4server first. |
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| 21:15.07 | wpostma | joey___, on my system it created a default ~/.vnc/xstartup already. |
| 21:15.16 | tummyacid | i already did apt-get install blackbox bbkeys and so on |
| 21:15.18 | wpostma | joey___, I changed it to startkde |
| 21:15.20 | joey___ | ok. how do I use apt to uninstall a package? |
| 21:15.21 | tummyacid | when i type startx i get |
| 21:15.29 | wpostma | joey___, apt-get remove |
| 21:15.42 | joey___ | simple enough ;) let me try that real quick |
| 21:15.54 | deadcat | apt-get only installs packages from experimental only when i say -t experimental right? (= |
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| 21:16.17 | abrotman | deadcat: if you do pinning |
| 21:16.27 | tummyacid | this is the error when i type startx /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: no such file or directory |
| 21:16.35 | wpostma | joey___, remember the command to start vnc4 is "vnc4server :1 -geometry 1024x768" or whatever. |
| 21:16.57 | deadcat | abrotman: nope. no pinning |
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| 21:17.02 | Thumann | joey___: and add :1 to you client aswell.. as in host:1 |
| 21:17.05 | abrotman | deadcat: maybe you should learn about it then |
| 21:17.06 | xoz_ | joey___: after running vnc4server... you should see in ~.vnc/ log and pid files for the server created. |
| 21:17.07 | deadcat | abrotman: well i do have a line that say default is unstable |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | !tell deadcat about pinning |
| 21:17.30 | nadia007 | wondering if someone can help me with packaging error, I get dpkg-source: failure: create file ffmpegcvs_20060101-0.3.diff.gz: Permission denied, when I try to fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. Any suggestions. I'm stumped! |
| 21:17.31 | wpostma | Thumann, that one got me when I first tried vnc on linux, since you just type "hostname" when connecting to a Windows box. |
| 21:17.53 | deadcat | abrotman: Default-Release "unstable"; ? |
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| 21:18.04 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 21:18.08 | Thumann | wpostma: aye :D |
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| 21:19.06 | wpostma | who was asking about hierarchical todos!? I found one: yank. :-) |
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| 21:19.17 | Thumann | heh |
| 21:19.18 | Thumann | nice name |
| 21:19.32 | ansong | i'm running a debian stock kernel 2.6.15, and for some reason, when i plug in my orinoco gold card it loads the hostap and hostap_cs modules in addition to the usual orinoco and orinoco_cs. with the hostap modules loaded my eth1 doesn't show up and wifi0 and wlan0 do show up but are completely unmanageable. once i modprobe -r the hostap modules the eth1 shows up and everythings ok. |
| 21:19.41 | wpostma | subopt, try yank |
| 21:19.42 | psycho666 | what difference does the display manager make ? display can be run only with startx |
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| 21:20.16 | xoz_ | vim-vimoutliner |
| 21:20.23 | ansong | hotplug seems to be ignoring my edit of it's blacklist file to include hostap and hostap_cs. is there a way to prevent those modules from loading? |
| 21:21.12 | xoz_ | ansong: rename them :) |
| 21:21.35 | xoz_ | ansong: check if you have them in /etc/modules |
| 21:21.42 | tummyacid | this is the error when i type startx /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: no such file or directory |
| 21:21.48 | tummyacid | im trying to install blackbox |
| 21:21.50 | Eclipser | is it somehow possible to take a screenshot of console? |
| 21:21.57 | netbrain | uhm, can anyone help me? im trying to load my linux partition. but grub isn't in "menu" form any more, only text. and i don't have the slightest idea what i should write! |
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| 21:22.15 | streuner | tummyacid: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:22.21 | tummyacid | thanx |
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| 21:22.23 | abrotman | or -core |
| 21:22.30 | ansong | xoz_, nope. none of the drivers: hostap or orinoco show up in /etc/modules |
| 21:22.40 | netbrain | can anyone help me with grub? |
| 21:23.03 | tummyacid | ansong are you using madwifi drivers? |
| 21:23.03 | xoz_ | ansong: disable hotplug... place your modules in /etc/modules :) |
| 21:23.12 | wpostma | netbrain, what are you trying to do in grub? |
| 21:23.20 | xoz_ | ansong: or it might be loaded by initrd? |
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| 21:23.56 | wpostma | netbrain, if you're trying to add a kernel to the grub boot menu, try update-grub |
| 21:23.57 | netbrain | wpostma: boot the system, and reinstall grub in mbr (preferably menu) |
| 21:23.57 | xoz_ | ansong: or /etc/init.d/networking? if you configured /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:24.04 | ansong | tummyacid, no. the orinoco-0.15rc4 drivers. |
| 21:24.15 | wpostma | netbrain: try grub-install |
| 21:24.18 | Spec | How does one determine which libraries a certain program is calling? |
| 21:24.20 | netbrain | you see i reinstalled windows and then the mbr was cleared |
| 21:24.32 | xoz_ | ldd |
| 21:24.33 | netbrain | wpostma: im not in the system. im in grub. |
| 21:24.49 | wpostma | netbrain, so you need commands to boot your system? |
| 21:24.51 | xoz_ | Spec: ldd |
| 21:25.01 | Spec | netbrain: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows (even though it's Ubuntu, it'll help) |
| 21:25.05 | netbrain | wpostma: yes |
| 21:25.06 | Spec | xoz_: thanks |
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| 21:25.25 | Thumann | Argh! I just bought a new puter for my sister.. gave it to her.. and said 'you can't hook it up wrong... just look at the colors and plug types, you can't hook it up wrong' she then complained that the printer didn't work. :S she has crammed the usb plug into the nic! |
| 21:25.29 | ansong | xoz_, /etc/network/interfaces is fine. && i'm not qualified to understand / edit /etc/init.d/networking |
| 21:25.31 | Thumann | Women! |
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| 21:25.37 | merc|FULL | hi |
| 21:25.45 | wpostma | usually you need three commands, root kernel and boot, and maybe an initrd command. |
| 21:25.46 | joey___ | apt doesn't find vnc4server, but I'm using ubuntu, so I guess that's my fault ;) |
| 21:25.52 | wpostma | root (hd0,0) |
| 21:25.58 | wpostma | kernel /boot/vmlinuz |
| 21:26.02 | wpostma | boot |
| 21:26.10 | wpostma | And there you go. unless you need an initrd line |
| 21:26.20 | wpostma | initrd /boot/initrd.img |
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| 21:26.31 | wpostma | (which should be before the boot line) |
| 21:26.54 | bobbens | Thumann: heh |
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| 21:27.02 | wpostma | I think grub has tab-completion which means you should be able to experiment. |
| 21:27.09 | bobbens | Thumann: how do you manage to stuff the usb cable into the nic though? |
| 21:27.29 | ansong | xoz_, won't disabling hotplug remove my ability to add/remove usb devices unless the modules they require are all listed in /etc/modules? |
| 21:27.33 | tummyacid | thanx all |
| 21:27.37 | Thumann | bobbens: read what i wrote.. she managed! |
| 21:27.40 | wpostma | joey___, hmm. try an Ubuntu irc channel. |
| 21:27.41 | xoz_ | can you try booting without hotplug and see if it's hotplug loading it? i think it is loaded the moment networking requests for the wireless network |
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| 21:28.31 | wpostma | joey___, also just try reinstalling vncserver again then. |
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| 21:28.32 | Thumann | bobbens: but yeah.. they're roughly the same with.. but come on! they don't look alike at all.. female logic i guess.. or she's retarded.. |
| 21:28.32 | bobbens | Thumann: are you sure you were supposed to give her a new computer? |
| 21:28.32 | Thumann | could be the last option ^^ |
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| 21:28.32 | bobbens | Thumann: why not give her your old pentium 120 mhz :) |
| 21:28.35 | Thumann | bobbens: yeah.. without usb support! hehe |
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| 21:28.45 | xoz_ | ansong: i just lsmod and place those mods in /etc/modules... i can control what devices to enable/disable.. |
| 21:28.50 | merc|FULL | anyone got any ideas for my problem? |
| 21:28.55 | bobbens | Thumann: it has usb support on its motherboard (at least mine does) |
| 21:29.05 | drasko | hi all... Iwhat to add to net cfg to enable dhcp for cable net? |
| 21:29.12 | ansong | xoz_, i don't boot with the card in. i usually just plug it in at the coffee shop, etc. so it's got to be hotplug loading it. on a clean boot w/o inserting the card. the modules aren't listed. |
| 21:29.26 | Thumann | bobbens: my p100 and p120 sure didn't |
| 21:29.32 | tricky | Is there any way for me (running stable) to install a later version of openoffice than 1.1? Any ideas? |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | tricky: backports.org |
| 21:29.48 | tricky | tnx |
| 21:29.58 | bobbens | Thumann: read the motherboard manuals, if i make the connections manually I get usb :) |
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| 21:30.19 | ansong | xoz_, i guess a recompile is the best choice for me. i appreciate the info though. :) |
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| 21:31.11 | joey___ | I will seek out some ubuntu-specific channels. thank you for the help. (debian was actually my first distro choice, but i couldn't get the CD to boot on my computer) |
| 21:31.14 | xoz_ | ansong: what about removing /etc/hotplug/wlan.agent |
| 21:31.24 | Thumann | bobbens: well.. i'm not really into soldering on my old beloved machines.. 'though they're decomposing in the attic.. |
| 21:31.47 | jollo | apache2, php, mysql serve on 127.0.0.1, but not on 192.168.0.5 |
| 21:32.01 | xoz_ | ansong: recompile is overkill... you have many ways to avoid the problem. you can remove hostap module in /lib/modules/ |
| 21:32.04 | jollo | local firewall? |
| 21:32.10 | ansong | xoz_, that file doesn't exist on my system |
| 21:32.13 | joey___ | new thing I'm noticing, though: when I run vncserver, it says "xauth: error in locking authority file /home/joey/.Xauthority" |
| 21:32.23 | Thumann | jollo: no, you just haven't allowed anything but localhost to connect to mysql.. |
| 21:32.31 | azaz_work | is there any reason the cache under var/apt should be left alone? or is it all about if you have to reinstall/configure |
| 21:32.51 | xoz_ | ansong:rm /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/hostap-utils |
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| 21:32.53 | Thumann | jollo: or your apache.conf doesn't contain the right VirtualHosts |
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| 21:33.55 | jollo | Yep, apache serves to 192.168.0.5 but not mysql |
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| 21:34.03 | drasko | hi all... Iwhat to add to net cfg to enable dhcp for cable net? |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | azaz_work: depending which version of debian .. it might be useful to have a previous version of a package |
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| 21:34.16 | abrotman | !tell drasko about interfaces |
| 21:34.30 | ansong | xoz_, neither does that one. i'm not too familiar yet with the way linux of things, but couldn't removing those files from /lib/modules cause some kind of problem? or will it just drop an error into a logfile somewhere |
| 21:34.32 | xoz_ | ansong: or you can add hostap there to blacklist itself |
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| 21:34.45 | Thumann | jollo: you've only allowd localhost to connect to the mysql server then.. |
| 21:34.49 | Thumann | *allowed |
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| 21:34.55 | azaz_work | abrotman: does it clean it up itself in some smart way? |
| 21:35.08 | ansong | xoz_, i've done that one. (added to blacklist). hotplug seems to ignore that file |
| 21:35.26 | xoz_ | ansong: yeah. it will just complain of not finding the module.... without loading it, no problem at all.... that't the value of dynamic module. |
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| 21:35.29 | abrotman | azaz_work: you can run `apt-get clean` .. that will remove them all |
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| 21:35.52 | ansong | xoz_, i'll give it a try |
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| 21:36.08 | xoz_ | ansong: if it's loaded... you can actually ifconfig down.. remove it... then load orinoco... the ifconfig up |
| 21:36.30 | xoz_ | ansong: or just rename it |
| 21:36.41 | xoz_ | ansong: many ways.. no need to recompile. |
| 21:36.45 | ansong | xoz_, i'm on a clean boot: wired ethernet now. |
| 21:36.47 | jollo | Thumann: thx, got it going now. woo |
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| 21:36.57 | Thumann | jollo: good :) |
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| 21:37.10 | jollo | next task is virtual hosting... hmm |
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| 21:37.51 | Thumann | jollo: look at the examples at the bottom of apache.conf |
| 21:37.53 | xoz_ | ansong: actually, i don't use hotplug but during boot, both orinoco and hostap are loaded.. both will not function unless i unload them first and load one of them. |
| 21:38.02 | xored | how can i let a specific user allow to use sudo ? |
| 21:38.14 | wpostma | xored, sudoers |
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| 21:38.28 | xored | wpostma: is it a config ? |
| 21:38.29 | ansong | xoz_, that would irritate me enough to mandate a recompile. :) |
| 21:38.30 | jollo | Thumann: ok, people here have also mentioned chroot |
| 21:38.34 | xoz_ | xored: visudo... man sudoers |
| 21:38.39 | wpostma | xored, yes. /etc/sudoers |
| 21:38.47 | Solid | guys im behind a router and i have two games server+ ftp server im using port forwarding in my router my first ftp server is working ok but on my second ftp server i can connect using any mod nor pasv or pORT every time i get error |
| 21:39.01 | Solid | bot of my servers are runniong debian 3.1 sarge |
| 21:39.02 | xored | wpostma: do not have that file, should i create it ? |
| 21:39.06 | Thumann | jollo: chroot ?! for webhosting? |
| 21:39.08 | xoz_ | ansong: just write a simple script to unload and load... :) it's more of a challenge and playing with the system. |
| 21:39.16 | wpostma | xored - when I installed sudo, it created it for me. |
| 21:39.40 | wpostma | xored, check in /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples |
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| 21:40.24 | xoz_ | ansong: and i use switchconf which allow me to use different networks.. create ip aliases to allow wireless network to become AP... etc. |
| 21:40.38 | ansong | xoz_, thanks for reminding me: what are the differences between chkconfig and update-rc.d ? |
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| 21:41.17 | xoz_ | ansong: not anymore familiar for i use file-rc |
| 21:41.21 | zparta | hey, got a question i got a server with a builtin yukon gigabit lan BUT it only works if i dont have it on auto eth0 and efter the boot type ifconfig eth0 up then ifconfig netmask ip it works, only got auto eth1 and the another ip from the same series on that anyone know what might cause this problem |
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| 21:42.41 | jollo | Thumann: yes for webhosting |
| 21:42.50 | _rene_ | zparta: parse error. |
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| 21:42.56 | linuxfreck | zparta: another ip from "the same series"? what do you mean? |
| 21:43.01 | jollo | Still scratching my head? |
| 21:43.01 | xinming | I ever used bluefish, and there I can find the css and html reference in "Function reference", But Now, I can't see that, What else packages do I need to install please? |
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| 21:43.29 | drasko_ | hi all how to add iface eth0 inet dhcp to enable cable netwotk.. |
| 21:43.50 | xoz_ | zparta: try apt-get remove --purge networking... apt-get install networking... oops, it might not allow you to connect because networking was purge... the idea is reinstall the support files and config of networking... usually upgrading messes the old config when the new config expects different behaviour |
| 21:43.55 | valdyn | drasko_: by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:44.23 | xinming | can etherconf be helpful? |
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| 21:44.47 | valdyn | xinming: helpful for what? |
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| 21:44.59 | wpostma | xoz_ why not try dpg-reconfigure if you want to kick the configuration stuff off? |
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| 21:45.19 | xinming | valdyn: for zparta's problem |
| 21:45.50 | xoz_ | wpostma: that too... but sometimes, there other support configs not covered by dpkg-reconfigure.. in /etc/network/ dir |
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| 21:46.07 | zparta | xoz_: it couldnt find the package networking :P |
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| 21:46.19 | xoz_ | zparta: netbase? |
| 21:46.21 | valdyn | xinming: oh, sure |
| 21:46.22 | Nemphilis | boa tarde galera |
| 21:46.24 | Nemphilis | tarrrdew |
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| 21:46.27 | zparta | linuxfreck: eg 192.168.1.223 on one interface and 192.168.1.231 on the other |
| 21:46.46 | valdyn | zparta: you want to let us see the whole interfaces file |
| 21:46.47 | xored | wpostma: got it. Can i somehow configure that the user have to type in the root password and not his own |
| 21:46.48 | Nemphilis | alguem sabe se palm top tem problemas com applet java? |
| 21:46.53 | Nemphilis | ou java q seja |
| 21:46.59 | valdyn | zparta: or just run etherconf as xinming suggested |
| 21:47.04 | Nemphilis | nem sei o q eh isso...sou do interior |
| 21:47.04 | wpostma | xored - that would kind of defeat the purpose of sudo! |
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| 21:47.31 | xoz_ | wpostma: sometimes during upgrade, the system will ask to replace the old config... and when one refuses, the new config has newer options.. which may be needed but was not incorporated due to the refusal of replacing the old config. |
| 21:47.32 | valdyn | xored: you could just use 'su' then |
| 21:47.46 | dusty- | Hello all, I have just installed Debian 3.1 r1 via netinstall.. installed the base system ONLY. Then rebooted, logged in changed all stable > unstable and ran aptitude dist-upgrade, that worked fine, then i thought i would install gnome and a later kernel so i did apt-get install kernel-image-i686 gnome that went fine, so i rebooted hoping to be greeted with a gdm login screen that failed when i booted up and returned me back to the console.. w |
| 21:47.47 | drasko_ | ahem... |
| 21:47.49 | drasko_ | hi all how to add iface eth0 inet dhcp to enable cable netwotk.. |
| 21:47.55 | dusty- | Do i need to install anything or configure anything else? |
| 21:47.56 | zparta | well doesnt matter if i make the gigabit autoconfig it wont work, only way i can have it to work is if i have auto eth1 in the /etc/network/interfaces file and then manualy bring eth0 up |
| 21:47.58 | xinming | zparta: first try to apt-get install etherconf, and then dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
| 21:47.59 | valdyn | drasko_: by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:48.06 | valdyn | !tell drasko_ -about repeat |
| 21:48.11 | wpostma | drasko, you mean, how do you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:48.17 | Spec | If a program needed a library file, and it was located in /usr/local/lib/, how would you 'tell' the program to look there for that file? |
| 21:48.27 | xoz_ | zparta: /etc/network/if-up.d/? |
| 21:48.27 | Spec | s/file/library |
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| 21:48.29 | bbrazil | Spec: when compiling, use the -R option |
| 21:48.30 | drasko_ | wpostma, right, thanks, man... How?\ |
| 21:48.43 | bbrazil | Spec: otherwise see LD_LIBRARY_PATH iirc |
| 21:48.46 | valdyn | Spec: LD_PRELOAD_SO=/usr/local/lib/file.so someprogram |
| 21:48.46 | eeyore- | wait, that stinks ... $756900 paid for being convicted wrongly (and jailed) for 21 years? that's $36k/year. |
| 21:48.51 | eeyore- | what kind of restitution is that? |
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| 21:48.52 | cr3 | what's the name of that program that allows me to pipe stdin to two files? |
| 21:48.53 | valdyn | Spec: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/file.so someprogram |
| 21:48.54 | zparta | hmm i apt-get removed netbase now i cant install it again |
| 21:49.05 | zparta | xoz_: nothing in that folder |
| 21:49.06 | drasko_ | can someone tell me this lines... What to write exactly? |
| 21:49.08 | bbrazil | Spec: also /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 21:49.12 | Spec | yep |
| 21:49.14 | drasko_ | please? |
| 21:49.14 | Spec | i know about ld.so.conf |
| 21:49.26 | wpostma | drasko_ - do you have two ethernet cards in one PC? |
| 21:49.33 | valdyn | Spec: just run etherconf |
| 21:49.37 | Spec | ... |
| 21:49.40 | Spec | not applicable :p |
| 21:49.42 | xoz_ | zparta: try switchconf... it automatically if-up and if-down for you |
| 21:49.45 | valdyn | Spec: ops |
| 21:49.51 | valdyn | drasko_: just run etherconf |
| 21:49.55 | dusty- | Anyone? |
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| 21:50.04 | dusty- | Console is really annoying me. |
| 21:50.09 | bbrazil | Spec: you have to run ldconfig after altering it iirc |
| 21:50.12 | zparta | hmm if i typ ftp it says ftp: ftp/tcp: unknown service |
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| 21:50.22 | zparta | so i obviously cant download anything of the net :P |
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| 21:50.32 | bbrazil | zparta: your /etc/services is damaged |
| 21:50.35 | Spec | i don't have ldconfig on what i'm using |
| 21:50.37 | xoz_ | zparta: wget |
| 21:50.45 | valdyn | zparta: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm' |
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| 21:50.52 | valdyn | geez |
| 21:51.00 | bbrazil | Spec: eh, what exactly are you using that you don't have ldconfig |
| 21:51.01 | valdyn | dusty-: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm' |
| 21:51.04 | Spec | mondo/mindi |
| 21:51.10 | Spec | it's a live-cd of sorts of my system |
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| 21:51.19 | valdyn | Spec: use LD_PRELOAD ? |
| 21:51.33 | wpostma | valdyn, whats the difference between etherconf and whatever debian-installer in sarge already did? |
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| 21:51.43 | Spec | the program knows to look at /usr/local/lib/libmondo.so.2 for it's library, but on the livecd it doesn't know where to look....it's confusing, it's the same binary program |
| 21:51.46 | dusty- | valdyn ok thats installing stuff, once that is done will i end up with xfree86 otr xorg? |
| 21:51.51 | Aid` | how come my apt-get cant find emacs? |
| 21:51.59 | bobbens | dusty-: depends on your debian version |
| 21:51.59 | xinming | Aid`: use emacs21 |
| 21:52.03 | valdyn | dusty-: why care? with whatever is default for your release |
| 21:52.04 | dusty- | sid |
| 21:52.06 | Danar | what happened to ftp.debian.org? |
| 21:52.18 | valdyn | wpostma: no idea |
| 21:52.27 | zparta | xoz_: if i try to get ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz it says that it cant find the server |
| 21:52.40 | zparta | xoz_: with wget that is |
| 21:52.43 | bobbens | dusty-: then you'll end up with xorg 6.9 |
| 21:53.02 | dusty- | cool |
| 21:53.13 | wpostma | valdyn, interestingly, I let debian-installer install my network, but etherconf package is not installed on my system. I tried installing it (for fun) and it asked me scary questions, and so I killed it midway and didn't let it install. :-) |
| 21:53.20 | acrobatd | Danar, my traceroute times out at TelecomB-BN-01-Vlan-3000.ggnet.umn.edu (128.101.58.1) |
| 21:53.26 | Spec | how do I use LD_PRELOAD to load two libraries before execution? |
| 21:53.39 | kspath | Can we stack people differently in here. It is getting so crowded |
| 21:53.39 | dusty- | bobbens once apt-get has installed it, how do i configure it? |
| 21:53.39 | wpostma | Spec, maybe semicolons? |
| 21:53.46 | valdyn | wpostma: the installer will just use dhcp as soon its available without asking you iirc |
| 21:54.06 | bobbens | dusty-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:54.16 | wpostma | valdyn, that must be it. |
| 21:54.25 | dusty- | bobbens and to test the config works? |
| 21:54.39 | dusty- | bobbens because if it don't work, gdm fails and crashes my comp so i need another way to test |
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| 21:54.49 | bobbens | dusty-: startx |
| 21:54.52 | Spec | semicolon makes it execute the library ending in a segfault |
| 21:54.54 | dusty- | hmm ok |
| 21:54.56 | valdyn | dusty-: the configure tool is run when its installed |
| 21:54.57 | dusty- | thanks |
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| 21:55.05 | dusty- | ah ok |
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| 21:55.10 | dusty- | thankyou both |
| 21:55.35 | valdyn | Spec: LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/somelibrary.so someprogram |
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| 21:55.44 | Spec | i have two libraries, valdyn |
| 21:55.57 | Spec | it does work though, for the first library, because then it errors upon wanting the second :p |
| 21:56.21 | valdyn | Spec: LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/somelibrary.so:/some/other someprogram |
| 21:56.35 | Spec | ohh |
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| 21:57.04 | Spec | woah |
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| 21:57.17 | Spec | lots of errors, if i symlink the librarys to /lib though, it works |
| 21:57.32 | Padnah | My OS dist is sarge 3.1 Here is the problem. I installed Mozilla 1.7.8 from the Debian package. It does not automatically updqte to the latest Mozilla v 1.7.12 so I download update and install. The Debian version of Mozilla installs /usr/bin/Mozilla. The update version install /usr/local/Mozilla. The problem: if i run command with root permissions from /usr/local/Mozilla it opens the 1.7.8 version. If I open with user permissions from |
| 21:57.38 | Spec | the weird thing is i have what appears to be an almost identical set up, but it works just fine, and finds the librarys at /usr/local/lib |
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| 21:57.57 | Spec | i just don't understand why that binary finds the files correctly and the other odesn't |
| 21:58.05 | valdyn | Padnah: why the hell are you upgrading your mozilla like that? |
| 21:58.19 | valdyn | Padnah: just don't do it. |
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| 21:58.37 | difemon | hola a todos |
| 21:58.37 | Padnah | valdyn, how would you update? |
| 21:58.45 | valdyn | Padnah: i wouldnt |
| 21:58.49 | difemon | alguien que hable español |
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| 21:58.57 | Thumann | !es |
| 21:58.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:59.02 | Padnah | Why not? Is there a bug with Debian? |
| 21:59.11 | valdyn | Padnah: there's security.debian.org ( that is already in your /etc/apt/sources.list, you dont need more than that |
| 21:59.15 | MrManu | hi, just installed debian sid....well i wonder if there are no xorg 7.0 packages available, is that right? |
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| 21:59.32 | valdyn | Padnah: using vendor installers is hardly ever a good idea |
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| 22:00.00 | barbara | hello, is security.debian.org down? |
| 22:00.02 | valdyn | MrManu: right |
| 22:00.05 | Ryushin | Can convertfs be used on a file system that is consuming more than 50% of it's available space? |
| 22:00.14 | valdyn | !ping security.debian.org |
| 22:00.21 | Padnah | vendor installers happens to be Mozilla, not some farfetched party |
| 22:00.31 | valdyn | barbara: no |
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| 22:00.44 | Ryushin | barbara: I think ftp.debian.org is down too. |
| 22:00.46 | valdyn | Padnah: yea, that's what a vendor installer is, dont use it |
| 22:00.51 | barbara | valydyn: it doesn't reply to my ping |
| 22:01.04 | barbara | packages.debian.org aswell |
| 22:01.06 | wpostma | i can ping security (aka non-us.debian.org) (194.109.137.218): icmp_seq=3 ttl=48 time=103 ms |
| 22:01.20 | bobbens | MrManu: xorg 7.0 is only available in experimental so far |
| 22:01.28 | difemon | hola |
| 22:01.34 | difemon | algun español |
| 22:01.36 | valdyn | barbara: that's the host, its up: 82.94.249.158 |
| 22:01.38 | kspath | !es |
| 22:01.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:01.44 | Padnah | Why does opening to one location open different versions? That is not a Mozilla problem. It is a Debian problem. Don't you think? |
| 22:01.55 | valdyn | MrManu: why do you need xorg 7 ? |
| 22:02.19 | Padnah | You cannot blame Mozilla for a path problem in Debian, can you? |
| 22:02.23 | difemon | #debian-es |
| 22:02.29 | barbara | valydn: i got 128.101.80.133 |
| 22:02.29 | Spec | whatever, symlink will work, that's annoying though. |
| 22:02.30 | kspath | Padnah: environment $PATH |
| 22:02.35 | Thumann | Ryushin: use a swedish link. they're hardly ever down.. and not that loaded.. |
| 22:02.55 | valdyn | Padnah: its more complicated than that. You are missing the understanding of some basics, so just dont use vendor installers |
| 22:03.08 | Padnah | kspath, please explain further, I am an extreme noob to Linux & Debian, etc. |
| 22:03.10 | Ryushin | I usually use mirrors.kernel.org. Nothing like have a full 1 gb connection to the net. |
| 22:03.20 | wpostma | Padnah, you really should not use vendor installers. This ain't windows. |
| 22:03.23 | Thumann | Ryushin: amen ^^ |
| 22:03.31 | valdyn | Padnah: or run slackware, that's a distro without package management, THEN you can use vendor installers just fine |
| 22:03.41 | Ryushin | I don't know if security packages are on mirrors.kernel.org though. |
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| 22:04.08 | Padnah | valdyn, are you telling me that the path issue is not a Debian issue? |
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| 22:04.24 | kspath | Padnah: I am sorry. Wish I could teach unix/linux over irc but the subject is WAY too vast. |
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| 22:04.36 | Spec | kspath: is not |
| 22:04.37 | jollo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.37 | valdyn | Padnah: im telling you that using vendor installers on package managed distro is EVIL |
| 22:04.40 | Spec | kspath: i can teach it to you real quick |
| 22:04.48 | Spec | kspath: Step 1.) man man |
| 22:04.50 | jollo | Thanks all! |
| 22:04.57 | jollo | exit |
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| 22:05.09 | kspath | Spec: step 2 see step 1 right |
| 22:05.14 | Padnah | kspath, no problem. I only learn by messing up BIG-TIME and an easy explaination would not stick with me. But thanks for direction. |
| 22:05.29 | valdyn | Padnah: its not a debian specific issue, its the same with all distros that have package management |
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| 22:05.46 | kspath | Spec: thanks for the tip |
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| 22:06.30 | Padnah | valdyn, I'm telling you that it is already installed and located on my directory. Under root it opens 1.7.8 and under user it opens 1.7.12 to the same directory path. That is NOT a vendor issue. It is a debian issue |
| 22:06.43 | valdyn | Padnah: vendors often install in /usr/local/, distro packages always install in /usr/, so now you have mozila in both. |
| 22:06.56 | Padnah | If all distros have that problem, then ALL distros are buggy |
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| 22:07.13 | Thumann | heh |
| 22:07.16 | valdyn | Padnah: you really dont understand this, dont claim to, and dont blame where you dont understand this. |
| 22:07.22 | kspath | Padnah: $PATH order of directories in the list |
| 22:07.24 | Thug-N-Me | yo |
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| 22:07.54 | valdyn | Padnah: beside that, there's even more issues with vendor installers than jsut your $PATH |
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| 22:08.47 | wpostma | Padnah, debian is about "packaging". If you install a non-debian-package you have to know what you're doing so it won't conflict with debian. |
| 22:08.48 | Amine | plz any one to help me ? |
| 22:09.10 | Amine | when i type ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf it suossed to run just one command |
| 22:09.12 | kspath | Amine: just ask your question. |
| 22:09.12 | Amine | it run 3 |
| 22:09.19 | Amine | 9498 pts/0 Ss 0:00 -bash |
| 22:09.20 | Amine | 9506 pts/0 S 0:00 ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf |
| 22:09.20 | Amine | 9507 pts/0 S 0:00 ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf |
| 22:09.20 | Amine | 9508 pts/0 S 0:00 ./eggdrop eggdrop.conf |
| 22:09.20 | Amine | 9531 pts/0 R+ 0:00 ps x |
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| 22:09.23 | blondie | twonk |
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| 22:09.27 | kspath | Amine: do not paste |
| 22:09.32 | blondie | Amine: that's not a debian question |
| 22:09.34 | Amine | sorry |
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| 22:10.02 | kspath | Amine: #bot #eggdrop #ifyourunabotlearnsomethingfirst |
| 22:10.12 | Amine | it do that only on my debian i got fedora |
| 22:10.12 | Padnah | You are not being logical. If Debian OS cannot handle paths, then Debian has a problem. You cannot close your eyes and say that the installed program has the problem |
| 22:10.13 | barbara | right, i think security.debian.org is cnamed to different ip's |
| 22:10.17 | Amine | and i dont got this error |
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| 22:10.33 | blondie | it's still not a debian question |
| 22:10.40 | Amine | why |
| 22:10.42 | wpostma | Padnah, debian handles paths just fine. |
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| 22:10.49 | Thumann | >.< |
| 22:10.53 | blondie | because I said so! |
| 22:11.02 | Kaigeek | hello |
| 22:11.04 | kspath | Padnah: YOU are in control of your $PATH variable. |
| 22:11.08 | Kaigeek | how are you channel ? |
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| 22:11.10 | beardy | Padnah: What's the problem? |
| 22:11.13 | blondie | Kaigeek: what |
| 22:11.23 | Kaigeek | :) |
| 22:11.29 | beardy | At least he didn't say room. |
| 22:11.39 | wpostma | beardy, he installed a non-debian mozilla binary installer, and is confused by the package installing into /usr/local, I think. |
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| 22:11.43 | elliotf | hello.. in debian installer, is there any way to save your selections that you chose, in order to create a preseed file out of those selections? |
| 22:11.48 | Padnah | kspath, you are making sense. l |
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| 22:12.03 | valdyn | !fai |
| 22:12.04 | dpkg | it has been said that fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 22:12.06 | Amine | so no one to help |
| 22:12.07 | Gathond | Padnah: what does debians handling of paths have to do with it, its just that root and the user have their paths organised differently |
| 22:12.08 | Padnah | I just need to explore $path a little. |
| 22:12.09 | elliotf | I see in the example preseed that it talks about debconf-get-selections, but there is only debconf-set-selections... |
| 22:12.14 | Amine | no one got this before me ? |
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| 22:12.27 | valdyn | elliotf: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:12.47 | eleftherios | Amine, you need a channel about bots, eggdrops in particular. |
| 22:12.57 | valdyn | elliotf: there's dpkg --set-selections too, i dont know about that documentation |
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| 22:13.03 | Amine | i found no channel |
| 22:13.05 | Thumann | Amine: go to efnet instead |
| 22:13.08 | Spec | !eggdrop |
| 22:13.08 | dpkg | Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots! I'll have you know, spec, that I am a blootbot, and proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near <ftp://raistlin.toledolink.com/pub/eggdrop>, but don't say I didn't warn you! |
| 22:13.11 | Cyis | bah... my workstation and it's hostname resolution is beginning to piss me off |
| 22:13.14 | beardy | Amine: Ask #eggdrop or something. |
| 22:13.14 | elliotf | valdyn: thanks.. will it spit out the installer info, too? |
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| 22:13.21 | elliotf | valdyn: (running the command now) |
| 22:13.24 | jcole_home | i forgot.. what do i put at the beginning of a bash script so that all stderr goes to stdout? is it a set command? |
| 22:13.27 | eleftherios | Amine, you can try another network |
| 22:13.47 | AmineZ | ok |
| 22:13.48 | Thumann | AmineZ: there are plenty of chans for eggdrop setup on efnet |
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| 22:14.00 | Thumann | AmineZ: /server irc.homelien.no |
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| 22:14.16 | beardy | jcole_home: run the script and lead the output to where you want, or, redirect the output for every command that you run in the script. |
| 22:14.17 | mazer | hi everyone, i was wanting to know if anyone managed to run quake3 through a chroot 32bit on a x86_64 platform |
| 22:14.20 | Cyis | I can't determine where it's getting the DNS info it is... returns a AAAA record when there is none in the zone for that hostname... returns the incorrect A record |
| 22:14.24 | Cyis | nothing in /etc/hosts |
| 22:14.25 | valdyn | elliotf: no, i know that fai can do what you want. |
| 22:14.36 | AmineZ | thx |
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| 22:14.40 | valdyn | elliotf: but there's probably different or easier solutions |
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| 22:15.04 | valdyn | mazer: yes, sure, why the hell not? |
| 22:15.05 | beardy | jcole_home: '/msg dpkg abs-guide' man bash |
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| 22:15.17 | elliotf | valdyn: I have a preseed file doing ALMOST everything I want, I'm just getting hung up on the partman recipe.. |
| 22:15.22 | elliotf | valdyn: thanks, though |
| 22:15.32 | gnufa1 | Cyis: just a regular DNS guru here... dig is your friend.... how difficult can it be? |
| 22:15.35 | wpostma | !tell wpostma about fai |
| 22:15.41 | Padnah | Gathond, I have had Debian GNU-Linux sarge 3.1 installed for 2 weeks. I know nothing about Linux or differing path organizations. These were installed with the OS. Here is what I know. If I run command with root permissions and go to /usr/local/Mozilla #mozilla it opens Mozilla v1.7.8. If I run command with user permissions and go to /usr/local/Mozilla #mozilla it opens v 1.7.12. This does not make any sense to me at all. |
| 22:15.41 | avallark | Cyis: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:15.45 | wpostma | ah. |
| 22:15.50 | Cyis | gnufa1: dig returns the correct info |
| 22:15.50 | Spec | gnufa1: dig tried to kill me last time i went to sleep :-/ |
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| 22:15.54 | mazer | well my dear valdyn :) simply that when i lounch the App i get errors regarding the libGL.so.1 that cant be loaded |
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| 22:15.57 | AuroraMSX | hello |
| 22:16.09 | Gathond | Padnah: yes, unix systems do not look in . (current directory) for executables |
| 22:16.12 | Cyis | resolv.conf points to the 3 DNS servers I control and they all have the correct RRsets |
| 22:16.25 | mazer | i didnt find any howto on that, so i maybe forgot to link some stuff :s |
| 22:16.30 | Cyis | It is only my workstation that has the incorrect info when I try to ssh |
| 22:16.33 | deadcat | Cyis: what up. xcompmgr and transset is in experimental.. translucent baby |
| 22:16.38 | pipeline | Padnah: You can add ./ to your $PATH variable, but it's a bad idea. |
| 22:16.40 | Gathond | Padnah: if you are in a directory and want to execute a file there use ./filename, if you use filename it searches the directories in $path |
| 22:16.45 | pink1 | can rsync be used with a user who has sudo? |
| 22:16.46 | valdyn | Padnah: echo $PATH as root and as users, compare the output, specificually the relative order of /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin/, and DONT use vendor installers |
| 22:16.49 | pipeline | Padnah: It was a common security hole in the past |
| 22:16.49 | starfishy | padnah: the path the system looks for executables in is not the same for root and a user |
| 22:16.50 | mazer | if you want the log outpu valdyn let me know ill pv it |
| 22:16.57 | Gathond | Padnah: and not having . in your path is a feature :) not a bug |
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| 22:17.12 | Spec | which filename will show you which file you would run, if you typed that filename |
| 22:17.12 | starfishy | gathond: too true ... |
| 22:17.16 | gnufa1 | Cyis: these public nameservers? |
| 22:17.20 | Spec | if it returns nothing, then the filename/executable is not in your path |
| 22:17.34 | acidBurn | hi all :) |
| 22:17.39 | Spec | you could, if you wanted to, put ~/executables in your $PATH |
| 22:17.42 | shay | acidBurn, are you a hacker? <g> |
| 22:17.45 | Cyis | gnufa1: they're my servers... 2 are registered for several domains I host |
| 22:17.47 | wpostma | Padnah, when logged in as root, it's good to type in the full name, /usr/local/bin/mozilla, for instance. If you're logged in as root you should have a good reason to be there. Running mozilla as root? Why? |
| 22:17.48 | Padnah | Gathond, thank you very much. I have used ./ to execute programs but did not really understand its significance until you mentioned it. That is my problem |
| 22:17.49 | valdyn | Padnah: ops, i was on the wrong track: do what you did before to run mozilla, but use './mozilla' instead of 'mozilla' |
| 22:17.57 | pink1 | I need to rsync stuff owned by root, but with norootlogin - and I have a user that has sudo |
| 22:18.07 | Gathond | Padnah: so basically your problem is that the user has /usr/local/bin in his path before /usr/bin and root does not |
| 22:18.14 | AuroraMSX | I've got an ALSA related question: for some reason I don't have a /dev/snd/seq. Other sound stuff is all OK, I do have a /dev/snd/midiC0D0, but no /dev/snd/seq :-/ |
| 22:18.31 | gnufa1 | Cyis: so what name gives the wrong results? |
| 22:18.34 | Padnah | wpostma, I needed root permissions to update Chatzilla. It would not install under user permissions. |
| 22:18.34 | acidBurn | shay: a wannabe |
| 22:18.39 | beardy | Padnah: Firstly, don't install random crap. Use the version that is available in sarge. Also, run 'which mozilla' as your user to find out which one runs. Purge the version that you don't want to use. |
| 22:18.51 | valdyn | AuroraMSX: try 'modprobe snd-seq' |
| 22:18.52 | shay | acidBurn, start by using a serius nick :-) |
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| 22:19.10 | acidBurn | Shay: you mean a serious nick ;) |
| 22:19.20 | Spec | yes, i do believe he does |
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| 22:19.23 | Padnah | beardy, will I lose my bookmarks by uninstalling the old version? |
| 22:19.24 | acidBurn | ,acidburn |
| 22:19.36 | valdyn | Padnah: no |
| 22:19.37 | acidBurn | , acidburn |
| 22:19.37 | Spec | Padnah: no, bookmarks are kept in users home directories |
| 22:19.42 | Cyis | gnufa1: actually it's my ns1... when I try to ssh to it from my workstation (which has no named process running and uses ns0, ns1 & ns2 for resolving in resolv.conf) I either get a very old IPv6 address or the incorrect IPv4 address from when ns1 had pointed to ns0 temporarially |
| 22:19.53 | AuroraMSX | valdyn, Heh! If only all troubles were solved that easily ^_^ Thanx a lot |
| 22:19.55 | shay | acidBurn, sorry, english ain't my native language.. |
| 22:20.08 | dusty- | Hey guys i have ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and got it up and running i set it to the 1280x900 one and then when i login to gnome i get a 1024x768 i goto preferences -> screen resolution to change it but the max i can do there is 1024x768 - i ran debian 3.1. r1 before this (sarge) and i got 1280x900 on it how come i can't in sid? |
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| 22:20.23 | gnufa1 | Cyis: what domain? |
| 22:20.34 | Padnah | valdyn and Spec, thanks for the info on bookmarks. That is the reason that I have not uninstalled the old version. |
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| 22:20.56 | Spec | using apt-get, most things don't uninstall things you wouldn't want accidently uninstalled, (configs, preferences, ...) |
| 22:21.00 | beardy | dusty-: Ctrl-Alt-Num+ ? |
| 22:21.05 | Cyis | gnufa1: the one I'm connecting to here under |
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| 22:21.10 | Spec | unless you use dpkg --purge, which purges things like configs/preference |
| 22:21.17 | acidBurn | shay: dinn mean to be rude , yeah .. me likes angelina jolie in that movie .. and hence the name |
| 22:21.26 | dusty- | beardy what do u mean? |
| 22:21.28 | azaz_work | I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but is there a howto or something on how to set up a DNS server to server local addresses but cache external dns queries? |
| 22:21.34 | beardy | !u |
| 22:21.34 | Cyis | I think I might have figured it out... seems registar glue is still pointing to old IP of ns1 |
| 22:21.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:21.43 | Woosta | I've just run the debian install on my machine ... it asked me to restart .. but it won't restart .. where do I go from here? How can I even debug why it isn't booting? (I get the word 'GRUB' at the bottom of the screen and then nothing else happens) |
| 22:21.48 | shay | dusty-, why don't you try to edit xorg.conf by hand and set the default screen resolution? |
| 22:21.51 | Spec | azaz_work: maybe a squid proxy server? |
| 22:21.56 | valdyn | azaz_work: no, its to easy, apt-get install pdnsd or apt-get install dnsmasq |
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| 22:22.03 | Spec | but that might just be content caching |
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| 22:22.16 | gnufa1 | azaz_work: too many... basically install bind9 gives you a working cache in Debian, then you need a how-to on adding a zone ;) |
| 22:22.20 | dusty- | shay well its set to 1280x900 |
| 22:22.46 | shay | dusty-, maybe the HorizSync or the VertRefresh parameters are wrong? |
| 22:22.50 | valdyn | azaz_work: bind is good, but its overkill for what you need ( and probably does not use /etc/hosts ) |
| 22:22.52 | zparta | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/SZQqEG57.html |
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| 22:23.11 | Cyis | now I just need to wait and see if I still have this problem after the root zone is updated |
| 22:23.16 | shay | dusty-, don't you have a copy of your sarge's configuration? |
| 22:23.20 | Spec | So, does anyone know if linux is running in space? |
| 22:23.26 | Spec | as in, on a satellite of some sort? |
| 22:23.26 | blondie | azaz_work: use dnsmasq |
| 22:23.27 | zparta | when i have both devices on auto eth0 doesnt work if i only got eth0 on auto it doesnt work if i got eth1 on auto then add eth0 with ifconfig it works |
| 22:23.32 | zparta | anyone know why this is ? |
| 22:23.35 | acidBurn | Spec: running in space? |
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| 22:23.41 | _jchaoul | modprobe serial gives "modprobe: can't locate module serial"|| how do i install the serial module? |
| 22:23.41 | dusty- | shay i wish |
| 22:23.42 | beardy | Spec: Try google. |
| 22:23.43 | valdyn | zparta: did you run etherconf yet? |
| 22:23.43 | Spec | in space, as in, up there ^^ |
| 22:23.44 | blondie | just apt-get install it, and then make sure stuff is in /etc/hosts on that machine |
| 22:23.53 | acidBurn | Spec: wicked! :) |
| 22:24.04 | shay | dusty-, do you know if you are using the same video driver? |
| 22:24.04 | Spec | woah, http://linux.org.mt/article/space |
| 22:24.08 | _jchaoul | anyone? |
| 22:24.13 | beardy | !anyone |
| 22:24.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:24.23 | azaz_work | Thanks guys, I'll look into them |
| 22:24.26 | pink1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.27 | dusty- | shay not sure |
| 22:24.31 | dusty- | it autodetected them |
| 22:24.41 | shay | dusty-, lspci |grep VGA |
| 22:24.42 | Spec | that's definitely awesome |
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| 22:25.06 | zparta | valdyn: yes |
| 22:25.09 | _jchaoul | im using Debian 3.1 with a 2.4.27 kernel |
| 22:25.11 | zparta | valdyn: same problem |
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| 22:25.25 | shay | dusty-, and paste your xorg.conf somewhere |
| 22:25.28 | acidBurn | jchaoul: debian stable! why not 2.6 ? |
| 22:25.33 | kspath | Why is there not a sign that says you must be this >-----< tall to ride the debian linux? |
| 22:26.08 | beardy | kspath: What has length got totowith anything? |
| 22:26.09 | Spec | "Rumours that NASA's adoption of Linux is due to the difficulty of pressing Alt-Ctrl-Delete (a popular MS-Windows key combination) while wearing thick spacesuit gloves are probably unfounded ;)" |
| 22:26.15 | beardy | to do |
| 22:27.16 | acidBurn | Spec: /me shakes the dust off his shirt after rolling on the floor laughing hysterically |
| 22:27.42 | _jchaoul | i have no clue. i've been using linux for years, but don't know about working with modules :) where to find out if it is there? the error seems to be saying it is not there at all, though |
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| 22:28.12 | beardy | _jchaoul: Which module? |
| 22:28.13 | _jchaoul | Error is: modprobe serial gives "modprobe: can't locate module serial" |
| 22:28.13 | zparta | valdyn: any other suggestions ? |
| 22:28.22 | gnufa1 | Cyis: is it doing a forward and reverse lookup, and your primary name server does have an AAAA record for dozer... |
| 22:28.37 | beardy | _jchaoul: What are you trying to get working? |
| 22:29.13 | _jchaoul | the IrDA port |
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| 22:29.48 | mazer | btw valdyn do you have any idea for the quake3 prob? |
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| 22:30.15 | Cyis | gnufa1: yeah... ns1 had previously been pointed to dozer (ns0) temporarially after the hardware ns1 ran on failed... I just rebuilt ns1 and brought it online... updated the zone files on ns0 and reloaded. All three servers (ns[012]) have the correct info now and current SOAs |
| 22:30.20 | _jchaoul | ? |
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| 22:31.32 | beardy | _jchaoul: The module is probably called something with "irda". Is it built into your motherboard,or some USB device? |
| 22:31.32 | Cyis | gnua: Ironically if I connect to my server 'shell1' instead of this one ('theone') and try to ssh to ns1 it works |
| 22:31.45 | Cyis | so it's something with this workstation |
| 22:32.06 | eadz | where does apt-get source *package* put the source files? |
| 22:32.25 | azaz_work | In dnsmasq (or any dns proxy/cache) is there a way for it to periodically ask machines for thier IPs? (I suppose I don't even know if that is technically feasible) Basically I want to leave my dhcp server on the router and have an internal dns on a linux box. |
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| 22:33.11 | Cyis | this isn't the first time that I've had an issue with this workstation holding on to an old DNS record after it had been changed... |
| 22:33.12 | Padnah | I wish to thank all of the people who responded to my posts concerning my "paths" problem with Debian. As usual my problem was an operator problem. My paths are not properly arranged and everything opens as advertised. Mozilla is using the latest and Chatzilla is using the latest and everything opens correctly. It was indeed a $Path problem. |
| 22:33.20 | beardy | _jchaoul: Run 'locate irda' You'll see some modules then. Read /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.x.x/Documentation/networking/irda.txt.gz, install the kernel-docs for your kernel if they aren'tinstalled. |
| 22:33.27 | zparta | so noone knows what the problem is :( |
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| 22:34.45 | beardy | _jchaoul: That file was not that helpful though.. |
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| 22:35.09 | zparta | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/SZQqEG57.html |
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| 22:35.54 | klyk | Has anyone had any problems with using openoffice 2.0.1 from a remote host over X? Is there anyone who could test it for me? (Xnest works fine) |
| 22:36.20 | beardy | _jchaoul: Do a 'lspci -v' and look for information about your irda port that can help you load the correct module. |
| 22:36.25 | klyk | Currently it is hanging after typing the first character. |
| 22:37.00 | tetsuzan | hi all |
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| 22:37.11 | tetsuzan | i`m installing debian sarge 3.1 |
| 22:37.14 | tetsuzan | but on the installation |
| 22:37.20 | beardy | !enter |
| 22:37.21 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 22:37.24 | tetsuzan | my disk isn't recognising |
| 22:37.26 | tetsuzan | hd sata |
| 22:37.33 | tetsuzan | anyone can help me please? |
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| 22:37.47 | Woosta | Anyone help me with booting? (to recap, I installed, rebooted when asked, now I can't get past 'GRUB' at the bottom of the screen) .. I don't want to reinstall everything just to try to change the boot if I can do it some other way |
| 22:38.04 | lord_rob | tetsuzan: using sarge installer ? |
| 22:38.18 | tetsuzan | yes |
| 22:38.23 | Thumann | tetsuzan: linux26 |
| 22:38.28 | tetsuzan | the hard disk is new |
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| 22:38.36 | tetsuzan | on a dell poweredge server |
| 22:38.39 | lord_rob | tetsuzan: try linux24 |
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| 22:38.45 | tetsuzan | i have done |
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| 22:38.51 | beardy | lordlamer: ? |
| 22:38.53 | Cyis | tetsuzan: what model pe? |
| 22:38.57 | beardy | lord_rob: ? |
| 22:38.57 | tetsuzan | 430 |
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| 22:39.08 | Thumann | tetsuzan: linux26 works with all my sata drives/cards |
| 22:39.15 | XLT | Hm. packages actually gave 503 |
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| 22:39.19 | tetsuzan | i had tried too |
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| 22:39.34 | Cyis | oh... sata... my problem with Dell and Debian was with the 2650 and GRUB |
| 22:39.45 | lord_rob | beardy: my thinkpad is sata, linux26 doesn't recognize it, but linux24 does (it's recognized as standard slow ide tho ...) |
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| 22:39.57 | gnufa1 | tetsuzan: I used the Etch installer on my last recalcitrant DELL machine - worth a punt. |
| 22:40.01 | tetsuzan | holy sheeeet |
| 22:40.13 | beardy | lord_rob: Ok. |
| 22:40.27 | tetsuzan | let me try again... |
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| 22:40.49 | zed | salut |
| 22:40.49 | Cyis | Dell's PERC controllers had a write cache error that the install of GRUB couldn't get over without rebooting the system and using a boot floppy to get around |
| 22:40.56 | gnufa1 | Cyis: out 2650 is happy, what did you do to it ;) |
| 22:40.56 | zparta | anyone know why a builtin nic only works if i add it manualy after boot ? |
| 22:40.59 | zed | qui s'y connait en admin ? |
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| 22:41.09 | zparta | and only with another nic in the computer |
| 22:41.20 | Cyis | gnufa1: you have the A20 system bios and 2.8.1 PERC firmware? |
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| 22:42.04 | lord_rob | tetsuzan: try kanotix, if it recognizes your system, you can install it then you have a fully working sid system |
| 22:42.20 | gnufa1 | Cyis: no idea - I'd have to check at work. Could probably find the BIOS version on the DELL site if only I had the tag to hand :( |
| 22:42.23 | lord_rob | well that's what i've done |
| 22:42.31 | mo1991 | can someone help me to analyse some traffic on ethereal? I have saved the log. I believe that someone was able to break in through my ssh port |
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| 22:43.17 | Cyis | gnufa1: I just upgraded BIOS to A20 and PERC firmware to 2.8.1 at suggestion of Dell Linux support due to the write cache issue... had the system lock up a couple times because linux detected the RAID 5 array and controller went offline |
| 22:43.27 | Cyis | I've got 3 pe2650 systems |
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| 22:43.41 | gnufa1 | Cyis: is it all of them? |
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| 22:43.56 | Cyis | gnufa1: only when under heavy load |
| 22:44.06 | tetsuzan | lord_rob |
| 22:44.16 | tetsuzan | i installed knoppix |
| 22:44.17 | TGoC | How can i prevent my debian server from being affected by DoS's and abnormal ping behaviour? |
| 22:44.26 | tetsuzan | but this machine will be a server |
| 22:44.29 | blondie | TGoC: unplug network cable |
| 22:44.36 | tetsuzan | i want to install text only debian |
| 22:44.39 | gnufa1 | Cyis: don't think ours knows what heavy load is, but it benchmarked fine when I was using bonnie++ and stuff. |
| 22:44.55 | TGoC | blondie i can't :P |
| 22:44.58 | Cyis | gnufa1: two are identical configs, one serves as active primary the other stand-by secondary... the problem would appear on the primary but not on the secondary but swap them out (ie- primary->secondary, secondary->primary) and the problem would still appear |
| 22:45.18 | humbletec | i've got a really weird problem, I can't press Ctrl-Alt-F# to get out of X and back to console, help anyone? |
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| 22:45.23 | Gnea | TGoC: use it as a firewall |
| 22:45.30 | Cyis | gnufa1: both Adaptec and Dell have said it's hard to reproduce in a lab-type environment or under benchmarking utils |
| 22:45.34 | TGoC | Gnea how? |
| 22:45.54 | Cyis | gnufa1: primary serves IMAP, POP, Samba, NFS and shell services |
| 22:45.57 | Gnea | TGoC: using iptables |
| 22:46.17 | TGoC | Installing |
| 22:46.23 | Gnea | !iptables |
| 22:46.24 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 22:46.26 | gnufa1 | tetsuzan: I was serious about the Etch installer, it does allow you to install Sarge. |
| 22:46.36 | Cyis | gnufa1: what PERC model do you use? |
| 22:46.39 | Custom | is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ correct? For some reason it won't connect. |
| 22:46.42 | Custom | Did the repositories change? |
| 22:46.45 | lord_rob | tetsuzan: then if you have installed knoppix successfully, note the parameters. you can also install etch installer beta 1 |
| 22:47.04 | inetd | !vlc |
| 22:47.04 | dpkg | it has been said that vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 22:47.16 | inetd | at the moment vlc in sid is broken |
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| 22:47.29 | inetd | when are they going to sort out the deps :!?!?!L!L! |
| 22:47.36 | tetsuzan | what i'm supposed to do? |
| 22:47.43 | petemc | Custom: im using a20 bios and 2.8.0 firmware, no issues |
| 22:47.54 | _max_ | http://pastebin.com/515322 |
| 22:47.58 | _max_ | anyone able to figure that one out? |
| 22:48.07 | Cyis | gnufa1: if you don't already have it installed... get the afacli and make the /dev/afa0 node and you can communicate wiht the PERC controller from within the system to determine firmware revision as well as know if the container is being rebuilt or running other tasks |
| 22:48.12 | Gnea | inetd: weird, someone was complaining about that earlier. yet, i was able to install vlc on a system last night and it runs just fine |
| 22:48.14 | dondelelcaro | inetd: it's sid; stuff like that gets broken all the time. |
| 22:48.35 | opnsrc | what does the bios and firmware have to do with it? |
| 22:48.50 | Cyis | opnsrc: on a Dell system... a lot ;) |
| 22:48.50 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 347847 |
| 22:48.53 | dpkg | #347847:G[vlc] vlc: Not installable on unstable; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:03:08 UTC |
| 22:48.56 | opnsrc | I'm not on a Dell |
| 22:48.57 | dondelelcaro | inetd: ^^^ |
| 22:49.16 | opnsrc | I built this computer |
| 22:49.27 | Cyis | opnsrc: think he was mistaken on who he was replying to then |
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| 22:49.50 | opnsrc | The site, it won't connect |
| 22:49.53 | inetd | Gnea: was it sid thought? |
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| 22:50.02 | opnsrc | Did the site get changed? |
| 22:50.36 | Gnea | inetd: of course. |
| 22:50.45 | Cyis | opnsrc: I'm not aware of any change... I use a mirror myself personally though not the d.o servers directly |
| 22:50.48 | Gnea | sid, on an x86 |
| 22:50.53 | starfishy | hm, i consistently get the message 'could not download package findutils' when installing sarge |
| 22:51.08 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: that is one of the most rediculous bug reports i have ever seen. |
| 22:51.08 | starfishy | i tried 3 different mirrors so far |
| 22:51.15 | strider | inetd: if you want vlc that bad, use the nightlies |
| 22:51.15 | inetd | Gnea: actually you know what...mine was working perfect till i installed gnome...it updated couple of packages..and it removed some aswell |
| 22:51.19 | Gnea | it doesn't even have any detail |
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| 22:51.37 | Gnea | inetd: gnome sucks ass, i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole |
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| 22:52.11 | starfishy | methinks my installer cd is broken |
| 22:52.22 | inetd | strider: nightlies? |
| 22:52.27 | strider | inetd: http://nightlies.videolan.org/ |
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| 22:52.50 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: well, the reason is because dbus-1 is now libdbus-1-2 or something |
| 22:53.05 | gnufa1 | Cyis: nothing wants to say more than "PERCRAID" to me from here.... found the bonnie++ results ironically. |
| 22:53.43 | Cyis | gnufa1: if you have the afacli you could find out... Is your array external or internal? |
| 22:54.13 | inetd | strider: its same stuff |
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| 22:54.53 | strider | inetd: that's Sid for you ;) |
| 22:54.55 | humbletec | I second Gnea, Gnome sucks. Linus seems to think so too according to what he wrote on the gnome mailing list last month.... |
| 22:54.56 | inetd | dondelelcaro: libhal1 and vxvlc are renamed now aswell |
| 22:55.15 | dondelelcaro | inetd: right; anyway, there's a bug, it'll probably get fixed in this weekends BSP |
| 22:55.22 | inetd | strider: dont tell me u use stable |
| 22:55.38 | Gnea | !u |
| 22:55.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:55.46 | Cyis | gnufa1: here's what afacli says for mine... Controller Type: PERC 3/Di |
| 22:55.59 | humbletec | does anybody know what could make Ctrl-Alt-F# fail to work, other than the keys being in the wrong place... |
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| 22:56.12 | inetd | etch better for desktops than sid? |
| 22:56.22 | dondelelcaro | inetd: if you don't know what you're doing, yes. |
| 22:56.28 | Gnea | humbletec: no idea, though i have seen that happen, not sure whatever caused it |
| 22:56.34 | Cyis | gnufa1: course /proc/scsi/scsi just reports it as just "Vendor: DELL Model: PERC RAID5" |
| 22:56.40 | inetd | dondelelcaro: lol....what do you use for desktop? |
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| 22:56.54 | deadcat | inetd: he uses openbox (= |
| 22:57.01 | dondelelcaro | inetd: unstable |
| 22:57.04 | deadcat | inetd: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060120_24392.png just shot |
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| 22:57.27 | inetd | deadcat: yo..u been hiding ;) |
| 22:57.36 | opnsrc | thanks Cyis |
| 22:57.44 | humbletec | fluxbox, the greatest! |
| 22:57.51 | opnsrc | thanks petemc |
| 22:58.18 | dondelelcaro | http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/ss_2006120_145729_small.png |
| 22:58.18 | deadcat | inetd: thats my webcam using camorama |
| 22:58.25 | opnsrc | I think that's what I'll try to do then, use mirrors |
| 22:58.29 | humbletec | i also use kde which is pretty good although unneccessarily fat |
| 22:59.02 | Cyis | dondek: dual-head? |
| 22:59.08 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: yes. |
| 22:59.22 | strider | deadcat: nvidia, i suppose |
| 22:59.22 | Cyis | I've got that setup on my workstation in the office |
| 23:00.04 | Cyis | just don't have a second display here at home currently |
| 23:00.07 | gnufa1 | Cyis: 3/Di firmware version 2.7.0 |
| 23:00.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thats alot of tab (= |
| 23:00.22 | Cyis | gnufa1: old firmware... |
| 23:00.32 | gnufa1 | Cyis: its working ;) |
| 23:00.33 | deadcat | strider: ya ati is laggy |
| 23:00.58 | Cyis | gnufa1: hmm... IIRC Dell said the write cache issue was in versions < 2.8.0 or 2.8.1 |
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| 23:01.18 | inetd | deadcat: nice |
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| 23:01.49 | Nivegna | Anyone know of another tool/program that can render pdf files besides "xpdf" and "gv" ? |
| 23:02.03 | Gnea | Nivegna: evince |
| 23:02.06 | gnufa1 | Cyis: it dropped a disk from its disk array recently (nothing obviously wrong with the disk), only issue ever since some Postgres bug when it was running Redhat 9 |
| 23:02.10 | deadcat | inetd: not bad, but root-tail is not working correct with xcompmgr though |
| 23:02.16 | Cyis | gnufa1: you running Debian on the 2650's or did you go with Dell's provided RedHat install |
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| 23:02.36 | gnufa1 | Cyis: debian |
| 23:02.50 | Cyis | interesting... |
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| 23:03.14 | Cyis | gnufa1: Our systems came with 2.8.0... wouldn't want to downgrade the firmware |
| 23:03.18 | gnufa1 | Cyis: The Redhat stuff it shipped with was RH 9 .... like cheers guys - out of support in 9 months |
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| 23:03.21 | inetd | deadcat: you use sid yer? |
| 23:03.35 | Nivegna | Gnea: Awesome thanks I never even heard of that before |
| 23:03.39 | Nivegna | Gnea: :)) |
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| 23:04.00 | deadcat | inetd: ya |
| 23:04.26 | gnufa1 | Cyis: with the RH9 they shipped one kernel, but I had to upgrade it before the IO was even vaguely near what the hardware could do -- think they would manage to ship the right kernel when you pay for installation. |
| 23:04.28 | Cyis | gnufa1: yeah... I usually get used to Dell support telling me I'm running an unsupported OS when I call them because I don't have Redhat... but almost everything they distribute through their support site would work on Debian if it wasn't in damn RPM and they just offered it in a TGZ |
| 23:04.45 | Cyis | gnufa1: that'd be asking too much :) |
| 23:04.55 | Cyis | gnufa1: we just order ours without OS at all |
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| 23:05.16 | Nivegna | Gnea: I was looking for a swiss army knife like evince --- 'gv' is almost a swiss army knife but it just doesn't cut the mustard |
| 23:05.26 | coolpix | gn8 rem kappwei |
| 23:05.32 | coolpix | sry |
| 23:05.35 | Gnea | Nivegna: gv isn't even close, it's just a postscript viewer |
| 23:05.36 | Jizzbug | Anybody ever had rsync create hundreds of gigs of something or other when syncing an only 8 gig source? |
| 23:06.10 | Cyis | Jizzbug: circular symlinks? |
| 23:06.11 | Nivegna | Gnea: closer than xpdf but it doesn't cut the mustard |
| 23:06.15 | Nivegna | :P |
| 23:06.21 | gnufa1 | Cyis: I don't think I have the right modules for using afacli... We have some SC1425's - run Sarge like a dream, and we tend to avoid the hardware RAID these days, more issues than it is worth for most of what we do.. |
| 23:06.28 | psychonate | oh how I miss K3B in Testing :( |
| 23:07.09 | arash | ?????????????????????????????????? |
| 23:07.21 | Nivegna | s/a/an/g |
| 23:07.25 | Eno_ | '?' * 40 |
| 23:07.41 | deadcat | 40? |
| 23:07.51 | Eno_ | It's a random number I though of. :( |
| 23:08.02 | Cyis | gnufa1: if you have a 3/Di then just need to grab the afacli tarball, extract it and grab the afacli executable and mknod the /dev/afa0 device... the afacli is statically compiled |
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| 23:08.55 | gnufa1 | Cyis: I have the afacli tar ball installed, but there was some reason I didn't think mknod would create a workable device file.... |
| 23:09.06 | Cyis | hmm... |
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| 23:09.28 | gnufa1 | Cyis: you should have been here when I was doing it ;) |
| 23:09.31 | inetd | deadcat: hav i shown u this wpaper? http://mrinal.net/screenshots/mrinal_screenshot3.jpg |
| 23:09.43 | Cyis | gnufa1: 'mknod /dev/afa0 c 254 0' didn't work? |
| 23:09.51 | inetd | deadcat: i like the fonts he use in mutt (shadows are done thru eterm i think) |
| 23:10.04 | deadcat | slow |
| 23:10.19 | Jizzbug | Cyis: rsync isn't set to follow symlinks, it recreates another symlink at the destination |
| 23:10.20 | deadcat | inetd: oh ya. what font? |
| 23:10.34 | gnufa1 | Cyis: seems I have that device file already.... |
| 23:10.51 | Cyis | gnufa1: ls -l it and make sure it looks correct |
| 23:11.08 | Cyis | gnufa1: crw------- 1 root root 254, 0 2006-01-05 12:58 /dev/afa0 |
| 23:11.09 | Cyis | that's mine |
| 23:11.11 | gnufa1 | Cyis: it does - did that as soon as it said "file exists" ! |
| 23:11.17 | inetd | deadcat: thats what i am trying to figure out ...someone said its in artwiz..but i cant find it |
| 23:11.33 | deadcat | i said that too (= |
| 23:11.51 | gnufa1 | Cyis: open "afa0" <The driver could not execute the requested IOCTL SENDFIB, 515=Unknown error 515.> |
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| 23:12.23 | Cyis | gnufa1: do you have the aacraid module loaded? |
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| 23:12.42 | deadcat | inetd: you see my webcam on the ss? logitech 3000 |
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| 23:13.36 | inetd | deadcat: ive seen it on the web b4...i cant get them in here anymore... so i went for the 4000 pro |
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| 23:13.55 | deadcat | ya.. |
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| 23:14.20 | inetd | deadcat: yestarday i did a comparison of the video quality between XP drivers and linux |
| 23:14.20 | gnufa1 | Cyis: yes - but I think there was some sort of issue that required a bespoke kernel or something, and while it is working, and logging errors to syslog, grep can monitor it... Oh memory where are you now. |
| 23:14.34 | inetd | deadcat: there is a significant difference.. |
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| 23:15.00 | inetd | deadcat: quality is much smoother wit win32 driver (as you would expect) |
| 23:15.20 | Cyis | gnufa1: hmm... I'm actually runnin 2.6.15 on the machines currently... |
| 23:15.46 | deadcat | inetd: well. 1-3 people wrote the linux driver. how many monkeys wrote the windows driver? (= |
| 23:16.04 | inetd | deadcat: 12 |
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| 23:16.33 | deadcat | oh ya (= |
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| 23:17.19 | ronin | can i get more canadian? standing out side in the middle of jan. having a bbq with a beer in hand |
| 23:17.34 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 23:17.44 | inetd | deadcat: http://www.mk2-calibre.com/Gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Neowin-31-08-2005-Dirty.jpg check it out |
| 23:17.53 | Cyis | guess I should recharge my powerdriver so I can mount these two 2U servers in the rack now that I have the configured |
| 23:17.57 | inetd | deadcat: i love that small font on menus |
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| 23:18.31 | inetd | deadcat: icons are pretty cool too |
| 23:18.37 | deadcat | inetd: thats just the font-size right? |
| 23:18.56 | deadcat | inetd: oh i hate those icons. if i see the guy who made those.. i will kick his left nut |
| 23:19.01 | strider | has anyone gotten 3d working with the open source radeon drivers in Sid ( for 9500 onwards) |
| 23:19.01 | inetd | deadcat: yer...i think so vera @ 8 or 9 i think |
| 23:19.12 | inetd | deadcat: hehe why? |
| 23:19.21 | deadcat | strider: opengl you mean? |
| 23:19.24 | deadcat | inetd: so fucking ugly |
| 23:19.30 | strider | deadcat: yes |
| 23:19.35 | inetd | deadcat: lol |
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| 23:19.51 | TGoC | Anyone know something against ping's that isn't iptables |
| 23:19.51 | strider | deadcat: the r300 drivers |
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| 23:20.02 | deadcat | strider: well. using 6.9 my glxgears shows ~ 900fps, 6.8 was ~ 600fps |
| 23:20.03 | mejo | i've problems with building the ivtvdev xdriver for X.org 6.9. |
| 23:20.05 | mejo | what are the substitutions for xf86str.h, colormapst.h etc. in X.org 6.9? |
| 23:20.07 | inetd | deadcat: Graphite icons i think |
| 23:20.14 | pipeline | deadcat: Uh, why do you care? :P |
| 23:20.22 | deadcat | pipeline: about what? |
| 23:20.28 | pipeline | deadcat: why not compare actual X benchmarks, rather than glxgears? |
| 23:20.40 | deadcat | pipeline: ya but i dont know how (= |
| 23:20.44 | pipeline | deadcat: glxgears just tests a particular portion of a particular driver |
| 23:20.50 | mejo | ivtvdev doesn't find several header files, and i guess that they are substituded with new ones in xorg 6.9 |
| 23:20.57 | strider | heh, the glxgears bench issue ;) |
| 23:21.02 | gnufa1 | Cyis: hehe seems it is my Debian box and a zillion FreeBSD users seeing that error - ho hum |
| 23:21.11 | pipeline | deadcat: x11perf, the standard benchmark suite? :P |
| 23:21.15 | deadcat | pipeline: all i know is my ibook setting is not good enough for translucency yet. |
| 23:21.20 | deadcat | pipeline: thanks |
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| 23:21.34 | deadcat | pipeline: no .deb? (= |
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| 23:22.02 | inetd | brb |
| 23:22.08 | Cyis | gnufa1: could be firmware version |
| 23:22.08 | strider | deadcat: the log says it is disabled as the 3d mesa driver is not provided in this tree |
| 23:22.25 | deadcat | strider: i am using the radeon driver from the kernel |
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| 23:22.45 | strider | deadcat: custom kernel? |
| 23:22.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you use opengl on your pbook? |
| 23:22.53 | pipeline | deadcat: Eh? |
| 23:22.54 | deadcat | strider: ya. |
| 23:23.12 | strider | deadcat: what gfx card you got? |
| 23:23.14 | dvogel | What is the version of the official xserver-xorg packages in unstable? |
| 23:23.14 | Cyis | deadcat: you need a 4U server :) |
| 23:23.16 | moreno | hola ........................................................ |
| 23:23.28 | pipeline | deadcat: I have x11perf in /usr/X11R6/bin/x11perf ... |
| 23:23.31 | kspath | !es |
| 23:23.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:23.32 | deadcat | 7200? the one in ibook 800mhz |
| 23:23.40 | pipeline | deadcat: Appears to be provided by the "xbase-clients" package |
| 23:23.40 | deadcat | pipeline: ohhhhhhhhh (= |
| 23:23.41 | dvogel | (I'm trying to check the site, but I can't get links to connect) |
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| 23:24.00 | elliotf | valdyn: figured out my problem(s) with the partman recipe, and debian-installer with a preseed works great |
| 23:24.08 | elliotf | valdyn: thanks for your responses. |
| 23:24.12 | deadcat | pipeline: you have to tell me the exact option because i aint going man page on this one.. so many |
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| 23:24.57 | deadcat | strider: Video Card: ATI Radeon Mobility 7500, 32MB VRAM (Radeon M7) |
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| 23:25.33 | starfishy | M7 is really slow :( |
| 23:25.42 | starfishy | i got one in a Sony notebook |
| 23:25.54 | deadcat | starfishy: apple puts cheap shits in their hardware (= |
| 23:25.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: never bothered with it |
| 23:25.59 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 23:26.02 | starfishy | so does sony |
| 23:26.04 | dvogel | Is packages.debian.org down? |
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| 23:26.08 | dondelelcaro | dvogel: yes |
| 23:26.14 | starfishy | the screen on that thing rocks though, SXGA+ |
| 23:26.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. because all i did was use radeon instead of ati and i get pretty nice fps |
| 23:26.17 | pipeline | deadcat: x11perf -all :P |
| 23:26.18 | dondelelcaro | dvogel: it has an announcement on it |
| 23:26.20 | starfishy | and i dont do 3d, so its ok |
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| 23:26.58 | dvogel | dondelelcaro I can't connect, period. |
| 23:27.11 | strider | it realy feels good to ditch fglrx. Go open source |
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| 23:27.40 | pipeline | deadcat: Also, you may want to try a second run using the "sync" option so that you're not exclusively CPU limited :P |
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| 23:28.01 | ansong | is this a critical error? http://pastebin.com/515369 the headers, source, linux-image and doc .debs all got created, are they just not "trusted"? |
| 23:28.02 | deadcat | pipeline: Sync time adjustment is 0.1089 msecs. |
| 23:28.45 | Cyis | I'm running 'x11perf -all' right now myself... Sync adjustment of 0.0583 msecs |
| 23:28.46 | deadcat | pipeline: will it stop after a while or i have to ^C? |
| 23:28.54 | dvogel | Is xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 broken? When I run startx, it exits immediately with an error "Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer)" |
| 23:29.04 | pipeline | Cyis, deadcat: It'll take a loooooong time. It's doing literally thousands of test runs on dozens of tests :P |
| 23:29.13 | moreno | alguien me puede ayudar acompilar el KERNEL |
| 23:29.19 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 23:29.20 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:29.30 | Mxyzpltk | !es |
| 23:29.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:29.31 | deadcat | pipeline: i get a report at the end right? |
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| 23:29.34 | Cyis | I got nothing to do at the moment :) |
| 23:29.36 | pipeline | deadcat: Also, you'll get horrible, horrible results if you run it on an X server you're currently using :P |
| 23:29.42 | pipeline | Cyis: You should note that, too. |
| 23:29.47 | deadcat | pipeline: shit (= |
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| 23:30.42 | Cyis | 40000 trep @ 0.6824 msec ( 1470.0/sec): 500x500 rectangle |
| 23:30.46 | Cyis | so far that's been the worse |
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| 23:31.00 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | Please NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: saens {ftp,packages}.d.o | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 23:31.04 | dusty- | How do i configure sound under debian>? |
| 23:31.04 | King_Brad | is there a command to show the size of a directory? |
| 23:31.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:31.12 | dvogel | King_Brad du |
| 23:31.15 | dondelelcaro | diff: BORKED: saens {ftp,packages}.d.o |
| 23:31.19 | dvogel | King_Brad du -sh |
| 23:31.21 | deadcat | King_Brad: du -sh |
| 23:31.35 | King_Brad | thats the dir u are currently in correct? |
| 23:31.46 | dvogel | King_Brad yes |
| 23:31.48 | King_Brad | thank you |
| 23:31.55 | dvogel | King_Brad or du -sh <dir> |
| 23:32.48 | jetscreamer | !tell dusty- -about alsa-bork |
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| 23:33.16 | moreno | como puedo crear el "INITRD" pues ya he compilado el kernel y tengo el BZIMAGE |
| 23:33.22 | dvogel | !tell dvogel -about xserver-xorg |
| 23:33.29 | dvogel | grr |
| 23:33.30 | dusty- | thankyou jetscreamer |
| 23:33.38 | jetscreamer | moreno: uno, /join #debian-es o -br |
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| 23:34.14 | jetscreamer | moreno: dos, quando tu uso initrd, nec. poner un 'text' en lilo.conf o menu.lst |
| 23:34.56 | jetscreamer | y nec. remojar quando no ay initrd |
| 23:35.18 | ativan | how would I go about running/installing gcc 4.1 on a sarge box? It needs an newer libc. Can this be achieved using a chroot environment somehow? |
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| 23:35.46 | jetscreamer | moreno: i can't even speak spanish much less type it, /join #debian-es |
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| 23:35.54 | jengoo | american soilders raped Iraq woman http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/2005/americansoldiers_rape045.jpg |
| 23:35.55 | dondelelcaro | ativan: it's only in experimental; you should be asking yourself why you want to even think about using gcc-4.1 |
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| 23:36.04 | jengoo | american soilders raped Iraq woman!!!! http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/2005/americansoldiers_rape045.jpg |
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| 23:36.15 | jetscreamer | jengoo: you can say that about any army probably |
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| 23:36.24 | dvogel | Is there anything inherently bad about running: apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg --get-selections | grep install | awk -F ' ' '{print $1}'` |
| 23:36.25 | dvogel | ? |
| 23:36.41 | jetscreamer | it's --set-selections ? |
| 23:36.41 | dondelelcaro | dvogel: it's kind of pointtless |
| 23:36.43 | starfishy | jetscreamer: jengoo very likely is a spambot |
| 23:37.02 | King_Brad | where are system log files stored? |
| 23:37.21 | jetscreamer | oh nm i can't read |
| 23:37.27 | jetscreamer | /var/log |
| 23:37.38 | jetscreamer | weird eh |
| 23:37.45 | dvogel | dondelelcaro It's not pointless if you've changed your apt sources -- to reinstall everything from a different repo. |
| 23:37.47 | deadcat | dvogel: awk default delimiter is whitespaces |
| 23:37.54 | King_Brad | thx |
| 23:38.06 | King_Brad | good lord |
| 23:38.08 | dondelelcaro | dvogel: the packages on all of the repositories should be the same anyway |
| 23:38.11 | King_Brad | 600mb of system logs??! |
| 23:38.13 | King_Brad | holy shit |
| 23:38.14 | dvogel | deadcat not gawk in unstable |
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| 23:38.18 | deadcat | oh |
| 23:38.21 | deadcat | shit |
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| 23:38.40 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 23:38.40 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 23:38.42 | Cyis | dvogel: other than that it will the command you currently have includes those listed as 'deinstall' |
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| 23:38.46 | jetscreamer | LOL i was about run find -n log |
| 23:38.48 | dondelelcaro | dvogel: ^^^ that's really what you want to do anyway. |
| 23:38.51 | dvogel | erm, I'm wrong, it is |
| 23:39.25 | King_Brad | how can i remove the "bandwith moniter" |
| 23:39.36 | dvogel | Cyis: touche |
| 23:39.40 | aljazira | hi, im trying to install an IMAP server on debian sarge, im having problems with the SASLA Auth, i get this on my /var/log/mail.log: http://pastebin.com/515380, any suggestions? |
| 23:39.50 | jetscreamer | in gnome? unlock it from 'taskbar' first.. righ click |
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| 23:40.45 | Leknaat | Does anyone know how to disable the framebuffer without recompiling the kernel without it? vga=normal doesn't seem to work. |
| 23:40.56 | Cyis | dvogel: if you want'd to go that route I'd say make an awk script with a bit of intelligence to ignore the deinstall entries... or first run a command to find the deinstall entries and purge them first |
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| 23:41.02 | pipeline | Leknaat: What do you mean, it doesn't work? |
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| 23:41.33 | Leknaat | I mean it still uses the framebuffer and switches to an 80x30 console when I boot. |
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| 23:41.58 | dusty- | jetscreamer, after installing alsa-base how do i configure it? |
| 23:42.07 | dusty- | jetscreamer, dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 23:42.08 | jetscreamer | Leknaat: is the module in /etc/modules ? remove it |
| 23:42.08 | dusty- | ? |
| 23:42.13 | jetscreamer | dusty-: alsaconf |
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| 23:42.20 | dusty- | Thanks |
| 23:42.29 | Cyis | aljazira: just dealt with that issue last nite |
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| 23:42.36 | Leknaat | jetscreamer: it's not in there. |
| 23:43.03 | aljazira | Cyis: you know how to fix it? |
| 23:43.04 | dusty- | eloise:/home/dusty# locate alsaconf |
| 23:43.05 | dusty- | eloise:/home/dusty# |
| 23:43.11 | dusty- | jetscreamer, i dont have alsaconf |
| 23:43.31 | Cyis | aljazira: two ways to fix it... what you're dealing with is postfix running in it's chroot environment |
| 23:43.31 | dvogel | Is the official xserver-xorg.dfsg 6.9.0 or 6.8.2? |
| 23:43.55 | Cyis | aljazira: you can either 1) take postfix out of chroot or 2) modify saslauthd to run within the chroot |
| 23:44.15 | Cyis | aljazira: #1 is the easiest |
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| 23:45.11 | valdyn | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 23:45.29 | Azar | dusty when you need a package use apt-get install "packagename" |
| 23:45.41 | dvogel | !info xserver-xorg sid |
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| 23:45.58 | valdyn | !search |
| 23:45.58 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 23:46.34 | Cyis | aljazira: to disable the chroot... edit /etc/postfix/master.cf entry for "smtp" from "smtp inet n - - - - smtpd" to "smtp inet n - n - - smtpd" |
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| 23:46.59 | amahbod | i have a c programming question |
| 23:47.16 | aljazira | Cyis: i did this with my master.cf http://pastebin.com/515407 |
| 23:47.43 | aljazira | Cyis: im using lmtp |
| 23:47.51 | Cyis | aljazira: looks correct.. you'll need to reload postfix though to get it to re-read the configuration |
| 23:47.59 | Zenethian | argh, is anyone else having problems with the flashplugin? |
| 23:48.00 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: ##c is probably best, but you can try asking. |
| 23:48.15 | Cyis | aljazira: what IMAP server? |
| 23:48.26 | aljazira | Cyis: IMAP, yeah |
| 23:48.38 | amahbod | so i am using main(int argc, char ** argv), but when i run the command with "./program love.mp3" it works, but "ls *.mp3 | ./program" doesnt |
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| 23:48.44 | amahbod | any idea whay? |
| 23:48.46 | amahbod | why |
| 23:49.10 | treyh0 | amahbod: you have to open up stdin and read |
| 23:49.10 | Zenethian | amahbod: because piping is a lot different than command-line parameters. |
| 23:49.18 | aljazira | Cyis: oh the server..Cyrus |
| 23:49.19 | Eno_ | amahbod: The second command is putting th e ls output into program's stdin |
| 23:49.26 | Cyis | aljazira: same here |
| 23:49.34 | Zenethian | you probably want ./program `ls *.mp3` instead |
| 23:49.38 | amahbod | ahhh |
| 23:49.40 | amahbod | i understand. |
| 23:49.42 | amahbod | thanks :) |
| 23:49.43 | Eno_ | amahbod: Use "ls *mp3 | xargs ./program" |
| 23:49.45 | treyh0 | amahbod: ls *.mp3 | xargs ./program |
| 23:49.45 | treyh0 | oops |
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| 23:49.52 | Zenethian | or that. |
| 23:50.06 | aljazira | aljazira: i've restarted the postfix like a dozen times.. and i cant sove the problem :( |
| 23:50.25 | aljazira | Cyis* |
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| 23:50.45 | Cyis | aljazira: that SASL authentication error was due to the chroot issue... delivering from postfix to cyrus is another issue |
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| 23:51.22 | merc|FULL | hey uh i just installed the debian from netinstall but how do i start the gui? |
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| 23:51.43 | centrx | merc|FULL, you may need to install the GUI, if it was not installed through the net install |
| 23:51.55 | merc|FULL | how can i install it |
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| 23:52.07 | Cyis | aljazira: check out lines 29-32 on http://pastebin.com/515415 for the entry I have for cyrus |
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| 23:52.15 | _Sam-- | hi how can i make my machine not check to see if it needs an e2fsck when it boots? |
| 23:52.17 | centrx | merc|FULL, do you have any idea of what kind of interface you want to run, or do you have any special needs (such as low-resource comp.) or would you just like to run one of the default environments? |
| 23:52.19 | strider | merc|FULL: depends, what do you want? |
| 23:52.40 | _Sam-- | ive looked in init.d and rcS |
| 23:52.43 | _Sam-- | is it in initrd? |
| 23:52.44 | zOap | people, if you want to tell me something and I'm not around leave a message at the door(pm). Otherwise my cache will eventually eat your message and it will end up in the big empty nothing, otherwised called archive.org .... :/ |
| 23:53.04 | aljazira | Cyis: yay it works! thanks man |
| 23:53.08 | Cyis | aljazira: no problem... |
| 23:53.28 | jetscreamer | _Sam--: fstab |
| 23:53.36 | Eno_ | If I have two nics, one for wired and one for wireless, that would be eth0 and eth1, right? What would be the best way to go about using whichever one is available without having to set it up each time? |
| 23:53.38 | jetscreamer | 0 1 vs 0 0 |
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| 23:54.17 | centrx | _Sam--, it is however, not recommended that you do this, what is the underlying reason you want to do this, which might be better to fix instead? |
| 23:54.19 | _Sam-- | what in fstab tell it anything about needing an e2fsk? |
| 23:54.24 | _Sam-- | its a compact flash card |
| 23:54.27 | _Sam-- | i dont need to e2fsk |
| 23:54.31 | _Sam-- | and it has no monitor |
| 23:54.32 | _Sam-- | or keyboard |
| 23:54.34 | jetscreamer | sam second line i typed |
| 23:54.34 | _Sam-- | i need it to boot |
| 23:54.40 | zOap | Eno_, first find out which is which. use iwconfig to find out if eth1 is wlan or maybe wlan0? |
| 23:54.41 | Cyis | maybe if I can get these other 2U server installs finish'd I'll be able to move my Cyrus server from running here on my workstation under VMware |
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| 23:54.42 | _Sam-- | ahhh i see |
| 23:54.47 | _Sam-- | ty |
| 23:54.57 | centrx | _Sam--, what jetscreamer means is that the last part of the active lines in fstab is 0 0 and you want to change it as he indicated |
| 23:55.06 | _Sam-- | i see it...thank you both very much |
| 23:55.10 | jetscreamer | Eno_: some wireless' get something other than eth |
| 23:55.18 | Cyis | right now I've been having to run my web and IMAP server under VMware because of hardware failures ... now I have the hardware I just need to get it all installed |
| 23:55.20 | Eno_ | Hmm |
| 23:55.27 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 23:55.33 | Azar | would a wireless mouse work with Debian Sarge? |
| 23:55.37 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:55.46 | Cyis | 'course I need to re-write my web site as I lost it when the harddrive failed |
| 23:55.50 | jetscreamer | properly configured, of course |
| 23:55.51 | zOap | omg, yes |
| 23:56.06 | Cyis | next on my purchase agenda... a backup solution :) |
| 23:56.08 | Azar | thank you, jetscreamer |
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| 23:56.28 | jetscreamer | abrotman! |
| 23:56.32 | _Sam-- | just to be absolutely positive... 0 0 = no e2fsk? |
| 23:56.37 | jetscreamer | right |
| 23:56.44 | _Sam-- | thanks. |
| 23:56.48 | jetscreamer | 1 == first pass, 2 == second pass |
| 23:56.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer! |
| 23:57.02 | jetscreamer | not sure what the first digit does... the first 0 that is |
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| 23:57.29 | abrotman | man mount should explain |
| 23:57.37 | _Sam-- | i would like to be able to keep running it...they need to make it run without user intervention |
| 23:57.39 | Cyis | abrotman: who uses man :) |
| 23:57.49 | _Sam-- | i think it waits for you to hit enter or something before doing what it needs |
| 23:57.59 | _Sam-- | but like i said, this box has no keyboard and no monitor |
| 23:58.00 | Cyis | _Sam--: pipe through 'yes' :)\ |
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| 23:58.54 | liable | _Sam--: the fsck? it runs without any user input needed. |
| 23:59.09 | _Sam-- | it will sometimes get to a point where have to hit enter or ctrl d for maintenance |
| 23:59.12 | _Sam-- | from what i remember |
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| 23:59.18 | _Sam-- | this box is at a clients place |
| 23:59.30 | Cyis | _Sam--: oh.. on boot-up... should be able to automatically perform the fsck if needed provided there's no problems... then it'll require manual intervention |
| 23:59.56 | Cyis | _Sam--: what filesystem are you using? |
