| 00:00.02 | _Sam-- | 2 |
| 00:00.04 | _Sam-- | ext2 |
| 00:00.10 | _Sam-- | i run /var from ram |
| 00:00.19 | _Sam-- | and i only write to the card like every 15 mintes from an rsync |
| 00:00.25 | _Sam-- | barely any writes |
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| 00:00.39 | abrotman | you do what? |
| 00:00.45 | _Sam-- | i run /var from ram |
| 00:00.59 | abrotman | all of it? |
| 00:00.59 | _Sam-- | it load /var into ram first thing when /root is mounted from init |
| 00:01.03 | Cyis | _Sam--: can you convert the fs from ext2 -> ext3?\ |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | oh .. you copy it there |
| 00:01.14 | Zenethian | is anyone else having problems with the flashplugin? |
| 00:01.20 | _Sam-- | zactly |
| 00:01.25 | _Sam-- | there is no /var on my filesystem |
| 00:01.32 | Zenethian | that's nuts |
| 00:01.34 | _Sam-- | i mount a tmpfs and copy something to it |
| 00:01.52 | _Sam-- | Cyis: i didnt want a journaling sys on a compact flash card, i thought more writes |
| 00:01.56 | _Sam-- | maybe i am mistaken |
| 00:02.07 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Are you aware that the contents of /var are supposed to be persistent across reboots? |
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| 00:02.18 | Cyis | _Sam--: IIRC the ext3 recovery process would avoid that ext2 fsck issue on boot-up |
| 00:02.27 | _Sam-- | i have it copy from /var back to the compact flash card every 12 minutes anything that has change |
| 00:02.28 | _Sam-- | d |
| 00:02.33 | _Sam-- | so it is persistent |
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| 00:02.54 | _Sam-- | i rsync /var to /var-real every 12 minutes |
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| 00:03.09 | _Sam-- | its a specific application, and a specific peice of hardware |
| 00:03.19 | _Sam-- | solid state machine , no hard drives |
| 00:03.21 | Cyis | _Sam--: soekris box? |
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| 00:03.44 | _Sam-- | nah home-made solid state contraption using IDE compact flash and usb thumb drive for backup(s) |
| 00:04.14 | _Sam-- | but it works flawlessy , been deployed for about a month now , the first one at a clients place |
| 00:04.19 | Wyzard | _Sam--: If your flash device is accessed through the kernel's MTD driver, you can use a filesystem that's specifically designed for flash memory |
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| 00:04.29 | _Sam-- | its an IDE compact flash device |
| 00:04.44 | Wyzard | If it uses the IDE driver, then I guess you can't do that |
| 00:05.10 | ub1 | is there a debian package that lets you listen to online windows media streams? |
| 00:05.11 | Cyis | I think I know of the IDE CF drive... or atleast something similar... we have a few at work |
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| 00:05.39 | Azar | ub1 I would assume windows media streams are for windows.. |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | !tell ubl about w32codecs |
| 00:05.51 | liable | ub1: xmms could, but you will need the codecs. |
| 00:05.54 | Azar | is ub1, abrotman |
| 00:05.55 | Fleck | how can i stream mic or line in with vlc? (i know... offtopic :/ ) |
| 00:06.19 | ub1 | abrotman? thanks |
| 00:06.21 | ziomek | hi all, is there an alternative server for security.debian.org... seems down? |
| 00:06.23 | Azar | !tell ub1 about w32codecs |
| 00:06.29 | _Sam-- | Cyis: you think i should try to use ext3 instead? |
| 00:06.30 | abrotman | Azar: i already did that |
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| 00:06.41 | Azar | abrotman you used l instead of 1 |
| 00:06.55 | Cyis | _Sam--: in theory it would remove the issue you're having and can be reverted back easily enough if it doesn't without lose of data |
| 00:07.00 | _Sam-- | i dont know if that would be possible...to convert the mounted root filesystem on a running box from ext2 to 3? |
| 00:07.02 | _Sam-- | remotely no less |
| 00:07.10 | Wyzard | That's easy |
| 00:07.13 | abrotman | Azar: oh .. |
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| 00:07.14 | jetscreamer | maybe not mounted, but all you do is -j it |
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| 00:07.19 | Wyzard | tune2fs -j /dev/<whatever> |
| 00:07.22 | _Sam-- | yeah i know its easy...but not mounted |
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| 00:07.29 | Cyis | _Sam--: if you can tune2fs it and the reboot it? |
| 00:07.29 | prophile | hey there |
| 00:07.31 | Wyzard | yes, it can be done whilemounted |
| 00:07.51 | prophile | I have a problem with apt-get, it throws this error: |
| 00:07.52 | prophile | W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 00:07.52 | prophile | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | iirc .. it won't take effect until next reboot |
| 00:07.56 | ziomek | or how can i veryfiy the apt-secure Key-id with the pgp-severs? |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | prophile: /topic |
| 00:08.02 | Wyzard | though it'll still be mounted as ext2 until you reboot |
| 00:08.03 | Cyis | it should create the journal and then on reboot move it to a hidden inode |
| 00:08.08 | jetscreamer | prophile: way to read the first line in the topic |
| 00:08.09 | _Sam-- | that would be fine |
| 00:08.23 | Wyzard | Remember to edit /etc/fstab accordingly |
| 00:08.40 | Cyis | yeah... actually I'd edit fstab before running tune2fs |
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| 00:08.54 | karsten | Wyzard: I prefer to edit my accordionly. |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | mother fucker .. stupid roundrobin dns isn't so round robin :) |
| 00:08.57 | _Sam-- | done |
| 00:09.07 | ziomek | abrotman don't flame |
| 00:09.16 | Cyis | When I converted some drives from ext3 -> ext2 I modified fstab, did a remount to ro then tune2fs and rebooted |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | ziomek: bite me |
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| 00:09.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Shiny metal ass? |
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| 00:09.58 | ziomek | abrotman meat is expensive where i live, but thanks;) |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it will break your teeth .. but have at it :) |
| 00:10.09 | _Sam-- | ext3 still checks every 180 days |
| 00:10.14 | jetscreamer | change it |
| 00:10.15 | _Sam-- | according to the mesage it says |
| 00:10.18 | jetscreamer | change it |
| 00:10.22 | _Sam-- | -c or -i? |
| 00:10.30 | Wyzard | _Sam--: You can disable that if you want to, though it's a good idea to do a periodic fsck on any filesystem |
| 00:10.34 | _Sam-- | sorry can man tune2 |
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| 00:10.41 | ziomek | but what about an alternarive server for security.debian.org.... is there somethink like that? |
| 00:10.52 | abrotman | ziomek: don't flame |
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| 00:11.12 | ziomek | sorry abrotman |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | ziomek: there are three servers .. but round robin dns isn't so round robin |
| 00:11.35 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Out of curiosity, why are you trying to suppress the boot-time fsck anyway? |
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| 00:12.17 | Wyzard | _Sam--: You said something about user intervention, but e2fsck only prompts for input if it finds a problem |
| 00:12.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Shouldn't I be working? |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: POETS ? |
| 00:12.32 | ziomek | name me the second two please... i want heal my pingwin and remove lot of unessary stuff |
| 00:12.42 | abrotman | ziomek: nslookup security.debian.org |
| 00:12.45 | _Sam-- | it gets to a point, from my memory at least, where it asks you to hit enter to REBOOT now or ctrl-d for maintenance |
| 00:12.47 | ziomek | *pengwin |
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| 00:12.57 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Damn straight. |
| 00:12.58 | Wyzard | _Sam--: That's only if it finds a problem that it can't fix automatically |
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| 00:13.01 | ziomek | ah of course;D thx |
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| 00:13.10 | Wyzard | _Sam--: in which case you most certainly don't want to ignore the problem and run the system anyway |
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| 00:13.20 | abrotman | ziomek: or download directly using the URL in the DSA |
| 00:13.24 | _Sam-- | if you hit enter, it fixes itself. |
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| 00:13.26 | Azar | Jan 20 2006: KDE flaws put Linux, Unix systems at risk |
| 00:13.34 | abrotman | KDE is a flaw |
| 00:13.37 | Wyzard | _Sam--: On a filesystem with no errors, the only effect of e2fsck is taking a few minutes of extra time |
| 00:13.43 | Azar | yep, righty said, abrotman |
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| 00:13.50 | meyerbeer | hola |
| 00:14.09 | meyerbeer | how can i exclude users from loggin in via ssh? |
| 00:14.39 | _Sam-- | if you have a journaled filesystem, why would you need to check for errors? |
| 00:14.45 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Or... are you running testing, and did this problem just start occurring recently? |
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| 00:15.05 | abrotman | meyerbeer: what kind of access do you want them to have ? |
| 00:15.26 | Wyzard | _Sam--: in case an error is introduced by something other than an unclean shutdown -- such as a hardware fault or an (unlikely, but possible) bug in the filesystem driver |
| 00:15.26 | meyerbeer | well only the direct in-front-of-the-computer access |
| 00:15.40 | Cyis | meyerbeer: setup a group that can only ssh in and then add users to that group to allow them acces? |
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| 00:16.07 | Cyis | oh... if you don't want remote access at all... remove ssh |
| 00:16.09 | _Sam-- | the machine is deployed at a clients place .....they have so far in 1 month lost power twice for hours on end , and then they've powered it down like idiots just pressed the power button on and off a few times....those led to at one point, the machine not booting....so they call me up.. |
| 00:16.16 | meyerbeer | cyc: how can i allow a certain group to log in via ssh and all the other groups not? |
| 00:16.16 | Azar | ... why am I not amazed? JavaScript again at it. (KDE Konqueror vulnerability) |
| 00:16.27 | _Sam-- | im like....hmmm..."plug in a keyboard and hit enter a few times"... |
| 00:16.30 | _Sam-- | so they do, and it comes back up |
| 00:16.35 | _Sam-- | im trying to figure a way to avoid that |
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| 00:16.49 | abrotman | meyerbeer: turn off ssh ? |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | meyerbeer: man sshd_config .. i think there's an option to disallow users |
| 00:17.07 | Cyis | meyerbeer: check the "AllowGroups" option for sshd_config |
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| 00:17.24 | meyerbeer | abrotman: what i want is not to forbid ALL users to log in via ssh but one certain user |
| 00:17.37 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Well, using a journaling filesystem is a good way to avoid filesystem corruption due to improper shutdowns... but there's no need to suppress the occasional "check anyway" |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | meyerbeer: man sshd_config .. i believe there is an option |
| 00:17.49 | kspath | do people ever read/check anything before asking #debian? |
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| 00:17.51 | Cyis | meyerbeer: or "AllowUsers" to specify specific users rather than a group |
| 00:17.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Theres an option to only allow certain users. 6 of one half a dozen of the other, but still. |
| 00:18.04 | scarynetworkguy | meyerbeer: ^^^ |
| 00:18.12 | meyerbeer | ok thanks Cyis :) |
| 00:18.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: DenyUsers doesn't work ? |
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| 00:18.33 | Azar | meyrbeer create a group for those you do not want in, say "usuals" then add them all to this group, then in ssh config, block the "usuals" to access via ssh |
| 00:18.33 | Cyis | my favorite is to only allow identity keys... no password entry... then no ssh access unless identity key is setup |
| 00:18.35 | abrotman | meyerbeer: DenyUsers .. next time .. READ THE DAMN MAN PAGE |
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| 00:19.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah, true. I had forgoten about that one. |
| 00:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | Nobody ever uses it. Smart ass! |
| 00:19.31 | meyerbeer | abrotman: what is wrong with you? i asked a simple question, you could ignore it if you dont like it |
| 00:19.35 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Unless there really is a problem, the 180-day check will finish without user input and the system will proceed to boot... if there really is a problem, it'll stop and wait for input, but if there's a problem with your filesystem that's not caused by an improper shutdown, you definitely want to know about it, not to remain oblivious |
| 00:19.44 | abrotman | meyerbeer: i told you to read the man page .. it was like .. 100 lines down |
| 00:19.56 | abrotman | i mean . .that's where normal people would start |
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| 00:20.28 | Cyis | meyerbeer: some people spend too much time answering the same question... like abrotman... I guess I don't spend enough time in here to get annoy'd that easily :) |
| 00:20.29 | _Sam-- | i could be very wrong, but i thought by using the compact flash, and barely writing to it, ever...that i would be pretty well clear of most filesystem problems |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | Cyis: it's not that .. it's really really easy to find in the man page . it's pretty apparent meyerbeer never looked in it |
| 00:21.02 | Cyis | _Sam--: unless you mount it 'read-only' all the time you'll still have issues |
| 00:21.10 | _Sam-- | i could |
| 00:21.16 | _Sam-- | but it basically is ro anyway |
| 00:21.21 | Cyis | abrotman: all I do is point out the keyboard.. leave it to them to figure out the rest |
| 00:21.23 | Wyzard | _Sam--: which is why it's harmless to let fsck run every 180 days, because if it never finds any errors then you'll never have it waiting for input |
| 00:21.25 | _Sam-- | cause i know whats getting written |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | Cyis: for example .. man sshd_config .. /deny .. wow .. look at that |
| 00:21.54 | Azar | woohoo, nice: GPL3 is aiming to exclude software and products that utilize DRM. |
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| 00:22.27 | Azar | so that means if you try to upgrade your CDrom driver and the driver comes with DRM.. will not upgrade! good |
| 00:22.29 | meyerbeer | abrotman: sounds your girlfriend left you recently |
| 00:22.44 | abrotman | meyerbeer: sounds like you need a clue .. |
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| 00:23.10 | abrotman | meyerbeer: and my sex life has nothing to do with your lack of reading skills |
| 00:23.11 | Azar | meyerbeer: I agree with abrotman: you need to learn reading the manuals |
| 00:23.11 | _Sam-- | if you just remove the .journal from / , is that basically all going back to ext2 is? |
| 00:23.22 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 00:23.34 | Wyzard | ext3 is literally ext2 with a journal |
| 00:23.36 | Cyis | _Sam--: kinda... still should need to run tune2fs to remove the journal feature |
| 00:23.50 | liable | _Sam--: you can just mount it as ext2 as well.. |
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| 00:23.55 | Wyzard | You can even mount an ext3 filesystem with the ext2 driver, if it was cleanly unmounted (journal is empty) by the ext3 driver |
| 00:24.01 | Azar | so my question now is: will the next gen motherboards/chips who will enforce "Trusted Computing" go ok with GPL3? |
| 00:24.20 | _Sam-- | thank you all for your help and input |
| 00:24.45 | meyerbeer | oh my god, i just asked a simple question, and you guys act like the world is going under.....why dont you just ignore ignoramus like me? ...the world would be such a peaceful place..... |
| 00:24.50 | Wyzard | Azar: DRM is one potential application of TPM technology, but the TPM hardware itself is not DRM and is not even inherently "bad" |
| 00:24.57 | Aghaster | does anybody know what causes a segmentation fault in nvu on x86_64 linux? |
| 00:25.09 | abrotman | or .. you could learn to read :) |
| 00:25.14 | Aghaster | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/034319.html this forum thread reports the same problem as me, but i cant find any solution anywhere |
| 00:25.15 | liable | !customer |
| 00:25.15 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:25.15 | Aghaster | :( |
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| 00:25.20 | Azar | Wyzard how about hardware drivers? especially CDROM drivers.. |
| 00:25.21 | zeballin3 | Folks, is a dist-upgrade of sid OK these days? Or are things still in a mixed state? |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | Aghaster: is this on ubuntu ? |
| 00:25.24 | Aghaster | i had the same problem with other distros |
| 00:25.39 | Aghaster | yeah its ubuntu, but the problem seems not to be distro specific |
| 00:25.43 | Aghaster | it didnt work on ubuntu either |
| 00:25.47 | Aghaster | and it doesnt on debian |
| 00:25.51 | Wyzard | zeballin3: sid seems OK to me |
| 00:26.08 | zeballin3 | Wyzard: I'll give it a try. Thanks. |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | Aghaster: did you check the BTS ? |
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| 00:26.48 | Aghaster | hum... no |
| 00:26.49 | Aghaster | link? |
| 00:26.51 | Cyis | I don't have nvu install'd... can try though... I'm on an AMD64 |
| 00:27.11 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:27.11 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:27.21 | Aghaster | yeah, as far as i can see forum threads that reported it are on amd64 platforms |
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| 00:27.36 | Wyzard | Azar: The GPL3 doesn't actually forbid DRM... what it says is that the "source code" includes any crypto keys needed to make the program function normally |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | Aghaster: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306569 .. among others |
| 00:27.57 | Wyzard | Azar: So if the program is meant to be used in such a way that it has to be cryptographically signed or it won't work, you have to distribute the signing key |
| 00:28.43 | kspath | Since when is it not ok to tell someone it is in the man page when it is in fact in the man pages? It is not rude to point someone at a good source of information. |
| 00:29.14 | grumpydog | kspath, indeed. |
| 00:29.20 | kspath | Does someone have to send you an entire config of everything verbatim for your system without knowing enough details about your system to be considered NOT rude. |
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| 00:29.47 | zu | yea |
| 00:29.55 | zu | or the need to rtfm first |
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| 00:30.01 | zu | s/the/they |
| 00:30.22 | grumpydog | kspath, sometimes though people do need a walkthrough but not the entire txt |
| 00:30.55 | kspath | I do however understand if someone tried via manpages and google/yahoo and there was nothing they could get working. But at least they now have a basic set of words/terms that will help when they are told how to do it. |
| 00:30.59 | Wyzard | Azar: If a CD-ROM drive employs a DRM system such that the driver itself has to identify itself with a crypto key (which I find unlikely), a GPLed driver would have to provide that key... but even if no such key (and therefore no such driver) were available, it'd almost certainly possible to write a free driver which just doesn't implement the DRM and can be used for accessing unprotected content |
| 00:31.03 | Aghaster | abrotman: i think the last post may help... but i'm not so much of an linux expert |
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| 00:31.41 | grumpydog | kspath, I agree =) _not_ challenging you there. |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | Aghaster: i've never used nvu |
| 00:31.58 | Aghaster | it doesnt have details |
| 00:31.59 | Cyis | Aghaster: not sure yet if it will mean much... but the bug appear'd to be regardin versions < 1.0 and I'm installing now and it's 1.0-1 |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | Aghaster: perhaps contact the maintainer and offer to test possible fixes |
| 00:32.11 | Cyis | so possibly already fixed |
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| 00:32.40 | Aghaster | i downloaded the sources like 2 days ago? |
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| 00:32.44 | Aghaster | these are the last ones |
| 00:33.01 | grumpydog | Wyzard, k3b? |
| 00:33.07 | _Sam-- | if i created the ext3 journal, but then i dont reboot this box for a while, the .journal will still be accurate for my box at the time when it reboots? |
| 00:33.23 | Cyis | _Sam--: yes it should |
| 00:33.32 | kspath | last idea/rant: If people are not reading the man pages, howtos, guides, wikis, mail lists, newsgroups, and dozens of other things than you have to wonder what is the point. Will anything help that person anyway? |
| 00:33.38 | Wyzard | _Sam--: The journal will be empty, since nothing has been written to it |
| 00:33.48 | _Sam-- | its big file...for an empty file |
| 00:33.49 | _Sam-- | 17 megs |
| 00:33.54 | _Sam-- | on my small compact flash card! |
| 00:33.57 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!!! |
| 00:34.03 | samo | hi all, i have a problem installing mysql, is it okay to ask for your help ? |
| 00:34.09 | thingfish | yonkeltron: you're late. |
| 00:34.10 | Wyzard | _Sam--: As long as the filesystem was unmounted cleanly (i.e. you did a clean reboot, not a power failure), it's safe no matter how long you waited |
| 00:34.23 | _Sam-- | sounds good to me, thank you |
| 00:34.28 | Wyzard | grumpydog: What about it? |
| 00:34.30 | yonkeltron | thingfish: west coast dude |
| 00:34.38 | grumpydog | kspath, you are an experienced user. I have been using computers since 1978 and rarely ask for help :) |
| 00:34.41 | Cyis | _Sam--: journal size will be relative to the partition size itself |
| 00:34.44 | thingfish | yonkeltron: oh, of course. :) |
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| 00:35.04 | grumpydog | Wyzard, that is what I asked are you using k3b there? |
| 00:35.23 | kspath | I did not start till 1980 |
| 00:35.35 | kspath | I am weak |
| 00:35.36 | grumpydog | Wyzard, I did run into a problem llike this before. |
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| 00:36.10 | Peggerr | nhttp://www.hacktopia.net/ |
| 00:36.11 | Wyzard | grumpydog: No, I'm not using k3b... I'm just confused as to what you're asking about, because I wasn't talking about a problem with burning CDs |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | Peggerr: please don't spam us |
| 00:36.26 | grumpydog | Wyzard, ok then. |
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| 00:37.20 | Cyis | well my wife just brought home some sugary goodness that is krispy kremes so I'm afk and will be back when the sugar coma subsides :) |
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| 00:38.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: didn't you order it ? |
| 00:39.18 | _Sam-- | mmm white pizza |
| 00:39.22 | zenwryly | I need to configure a runlevel for colinux where debian doesn't start the XServer but responds to XDMCP requests. Is there any package I could dpkg-reconfigure to do this? Or am I off to configure it myself? |
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| 00:39.34 | Wyzard | abrotman: Frozen pizza from a store... the spinached kind was the only kind of white they had |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | oh ... gotcha |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you get your own place yet? |
| 00:39.55 | Wyzard | nope |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | slacker |
| 00:40.25 | Wyzard | I keep putting off going looking |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: there are quite a few in KoP .. dunno where you're looking |
| 00:41.02 | _Sam-- | i know this may sound like a stupid question...but aside from conserving the world's ips...why would i want to run ipv6? |
| 00:41.34 | Wyzard | abrotman: I haven't been looking... that's the problem :-) |
| 00:41.36 | zeballin3 | Wyzard: are the .us sid repos down? My apt-get update just hangs. Could be a break between me and them. |
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| 00:41.43 | pipeline | _Sam--: Well, unless your ISP helps you out with it, you probably don't. |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's really bad .. |
| 00:41.56 | pipeline | _Sam--: If you're just tunnelling, well, then you're a crusader against IPv4 injustice. |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: the people in charge of your current residence don't mind ? |
| 00:42.21 | Wyzard | _Sam--: To be able to communicate with other hosts which aren't reachable by IPv4 (of which there currently aren't many) |
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| 00:42.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, they don't... and I do pay rent here |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah .. i didn't know that |
| 00:42.53 | _Sam-- | what would i need my isp to do? (I used to own an isp, im not the greatest sysadmin, but i know enough to break things) |
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| 00:43.09 | dusty- | Where is alsaconf located, i have installed alsa-base? |
| 00:43.15 | dusty- | but can't locate alsaconf |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | !find bin/alsaconf sarge |
| 00:43.24 | thingfish | there's a special place in hell reserved for landlords. |
| 00:43.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | dusty-: ^^ |
| 00:43.50 | jetscreamer | the path of $USER != path of # |
| 00:43.54 | shay | dusty-, sudo apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update |
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| 00:43.56 | zOap | dusty-, u need the alsa-utils package |
| 00:43.58 | Wyzard | _Sam--: They'd need to support IPv6, basically :-) |
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| 00:44.18 | _Sam-- | but they wouldnt have to configure anything specifically for me, if i configured my stuff right, as long as they supported ipv6? |
| 00:44.23 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Unless you use something like 6to4, which lets you tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 to reach other IPv6-enabled networks |
| 00:44.32 | Aghaster | uh, i think i did something stupid |
| 00:44.37 | dusty- | thankyou z0ap |
| 00:44.39 | Wyzard | thingfish: Well, my "landlords" are currently my parents, and I wouldn't want them going to hell :-) |
| 00:44.43 | _Sam-- | 6 and 4 dont coexist on the same box at the same time? |
| 00:44.50 | Aghaster | i told synaptic to remove gcc-3.3 to only have gcc-3.4 |
| 00:44.59 | Aghaster | and now its like uninstalling everything |
| 00:45.01 | danieldg | _Sam--: yes they do |
| 00:45.03 | thingfish | oh Wyzard, well of course not. |
| 00:45.28 | danieldg | _Sam--: and they probably will until IPv4 starts being phased out |
| 00:45.49 | kspath | heheh |
| 00:45.50 | _Sam-- | is that in your opinion being measured currently in years or decades |
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| 00:46.00 | _Sam-- | until ipv4 is phased out |
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| 00:46.06 | kspath | closer to decades |
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| 00:46.20 | danieldg | I'd say decade(s) |
| 00:46.27 | kspath | unless something forces it hard |
| 00:46.31 | ativan | any idea why debootstrap would fail with "E: Invalid Release file, no valid components" |
| 00:46.41 | kspath | financial motivation changes things fast |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | ativan: what server is it trying to hit ? |
| 00:46.46 | _Sam-- | ok then i will read the ipv6 a while from now...thank you again. |
| 00:46.51 | _Sam-- | er ipv6 how to that is |
| 00:46.55 | ativan | abrotman: anyone I throw at it |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | ativan: that was vague :) |
| 00:47.14 | kspath | SO many things are not IPv6 ready |
| 00:47.14 | _Sam-- | i just want to learn something new |
| 00:47.19 | samo | i hope this is the right place to ask, i done apt-get install mysql-server and when trying to run it i have the following error msg : /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 00:47.20 | samo | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' can anyone help me out ? thanks |
| 00:47.25 | abrotman | ativan: i meant more that saens is down .. if you're trying to use ftp.us.debian.org .. one of them isn't there |
| 00:47.43 | SerajewelKS | samo: /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 00:47.49 | dusty- | shay, Same shay as on my network? |
| 00:47.54 | samo | i did that but i get the same msg every time |
| 00:48.02 | shay | dusty-, affirmative |
| 00:48.07 | samo | i checked /var/log/mysql.err and it seems empty |
| 00:48.13 | SerajewelKS | samo: something is fucked then. have you configured mysql to listen on an ip address? |
| 00:48.13 | dusty- | hehe |
| 00:48.17 | dusty- | are you stalking me? |
| 00:48.18 | dusty- | :p |
| 00:48.23 | samo | no |
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| 00:48.29 | deadcat | yes. |
| 00:48.31 | shay | hey, I was here first :- |
| 00:48.32 | shay | P |
| 00:48.35 | dusty- | hehe |
| 00:48.36 | deadcat | i am gonna tie you up first. then rape you |
| 00:48.40 | SerajewelKS | samo: what happens if you try 'mysql localhost' |
| 00:48.43 | ativan | abrotman: ah ok, I tried ftp.de.debian.org and it seems to be working now |
| 00:48.44 | dusty- | cool |
| 00:48.48 | dusty- | hurry up! |
| 00:48.50 | dusty- | im waiting. |
| 00:48.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | ativan: good |
| 00:48.52 | deadcat | kinky arent we? |
| 00:48.59 | dusty- | hehe |
| 00:49.01 | samo | same msg again |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | and enter-happy |
| 00:49.03 | shay | 02:48 [freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname: Shay << ONLINE >> |
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| 00:49.11 | dusty- | dang |
| 00:49.13 | samo | that mysql.sock file doesnrt exist |
| 00:49.14 | SerajewelKS | samo: okay, try 'mysql 127.0.0.1' |
| 00:49.16 | ativan | thanks for the heads-up abrotman! |
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| 00:49.25 | samo | i tried to create an empty file with that name but did nothign |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | ativan: enjoy |
| 00:49.29 | Estes2 | Hi everyone ! i pretty much would like to have debconf interface beeing text or eventualy something else... in which config file should i look at ? i found nothing about this in debconf.conf |
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| 00:49.39 | samo | i tried with 127.0.0.1 - same result |
| 00:49.43 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 00:49.52 | SerajewelKS | samo: what result do you get with 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:49.57 | samo | same msg |
| 00:50.03 | SerajewelKS | samo: paste it |
| 00:50.04 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, no, i need the config file, a script has to configure this |
| 00:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: or man 7 debconf; and read about the different frontends |
| 00:50.08 | samo | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 00:50.22 | SerajewelKS | samo: hmm |
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| 00:50.37 | samo | i've changed one line in my.cnf though |
| 00:50.40 | SerajewelKS | samo: mysql should not be trying to use that socket with an explicit ip address |
| 00:50.42 | SerajewelKS | samo: and that line is? |
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| 00:50.55 | samo | the datadir = |
| 00:51.08 | rovragge | how to find out which application is sending a certain udp packet from my machine? |
| 00:51.09 | samo | i think it is where the tables are but maybe it done some wrong |
| 00:51.11 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks |
| 00:51.26 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: a script shouldn't be using dpkg-reconfigure like that; it should be using debconf-set-selections. |
| 00:51.27 | SerajewelKS | samo: does that dir exist? is it readable/writable by the mysql daemon? did you move the old database files to that location? |
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| 00:52.07 | samo | i moved the database files to that location from a windows mysql (i m just switching to linux now) |
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| 00:52.26 | SerajewelKS | samo: and is the dir readable/writable by mysql? |
| 00:52.29 | ratschnowski | hello, have to ask something, looking for imtest which is included in the package cyrus-imapd-utils which seems not to be available for sarge |
| 00:52.34 | zOap | dudes, akasha sees you |
| 00:52.48 | ratschnowski | at least an aptitude-search does not show the package |
| 00:53.00 | kspath | abrotman: magical trevor will send you where there are beans lots of beans |
| 00:53.14 | samo | i m afraid it wasnt |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | if only i had been kidding |
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| 00:53.22 | ratschnowski | so any idea how to get imtest for cyrus installed? |
| 00:53.28 | SerajewelKS | samo: then you can't connect because mysql is not running |
| 00:53.43 | samo | ok do i have to make that folder 777 ? |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did saens explode ? |
| 00:53.49 | SerajewelKS | samo: hell no |
| 00:53.57 | ratschnowski | can i just download for instance the cyrus-imap-admin rpm and make a debian package out of it? |
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| 00:54.06 | abrotman | !find bin/imtest sarge |
| 00:54.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/imtest' (1): (/usr/bin/imtest) in mail/cyrus21-clients. |
| 00:54.20 | SerajewelKS | samo: if you ask that question you only demonstrate that you know nothing about security and shouldn't be a sysadmin |
| 00:54.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno; all I know is it's not responding |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. i saw the topic |
| 00:54.48 | Woosta | I *REALLY* hate grub ... REALLY |
| 00:54.58 | zOap | ratschnowski, if you must install rpms use alien, but in my opinion, DON'T |
| 00:54.58 | abrotman | try worms! |
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| 00:55.13 | SperMite | can you run bittorrent on etch?? |
| 00:55.14 | SerajewelKS | samo: it needs to be 755 mysql:mysql |
| 00:55.17 | dondelelcaro | SperMite: yes. |
| 00:55.26 | SerajewelKS | SperMite: that's like asking if you can run http on etch |
| 00:55.41 | SerajewelKS | samo: and the files inside need to be 640 mysql:mysql |
| 00:55.58 | zOap | SerajewelKS, you mean I can run http on etch?o_O |
| 00:56.01 | samo | ok thanks a lot |
| 00:56.04 | SperMite | dondelelcaro i meant Azureus |
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| 00:56.14 | ratschnowski | abrotman, when i using this command (find bin/imtest sarge) i just get find: bin/imtest: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.14 | ratschnowski | find: sarge: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.24 | SerajewelKS | zOap: obviously you do not understand my point |
| 00:56.33 | ratschnowski | i am a bit new in debian, so maybe i am doing smth wrong with that command |
| 00:56.37 | zOap | SerajewelKS, haha, I think I did:o |
| 00:56.53 | SerajewelKS | zOap: bittorrent is a protocol, as is http. you can't "run" a protocol. |
| 00:57.07 | samo | excuse me serajeweIKS, what is the comant to do that ? |
| 00:57.07 | SperMite | how would i fix this. azureus: Depends: sun-j2re1.5 but it is not installableor |
| 00:57.07 | SperMite | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.08 | SperMite | E: Broken packages |
| 00:57.19 | zOap | SerajewelKS, I know, |
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| 00:57.22 | SerajewelKS | !tell SperMite about java |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | ratschnowski: is it installed ? |
| 00:57.44 | SerajewelKS | zOap: then the meaning should be clear |
| 00:57.49 | Eno_ | SperMite: Install java-package and get the java .bin and use make-jpkg |
| 00:57.50 | ratschnowski | i have to install it |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | !tell SperMite about install java |
| 00:57.55 | PhilKC | Can ifconfig be run as a non root user? |
| 00:58.00 | SerajewelKS | PhilKC: yes |
| 00:58.02 | myren | how do i purge a package from command line? |
| 00:58.06 | ratschnowski | but i do not know in which packet it is to be found |
| 00:58.06 | abrotman | ratschnowski: install cyrus21-clients ? |
| 00:58.07 | zOap | SerajewelKS, it was, but you clearly couldn't sence my irony |
| 00:58.09 | SerajewelKS | myren: apt-get purge package |
| 00:58.14 | ratschnowski | i can try that |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | myren: dpkg -P .. apt-get --purge remove |
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| 00:58.25 | SerajewelKS | zOap: if by irony you mean sarcasm, then no i did not |
| 00:58.37 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, i just want my script to be able to answer automaticaly to questions when apt-get install'ing |
| 00:58.58 | zOap | SerajewelKS, I did, my.god.need.english.tutor.now |
| 00:59.02 | ratschnowski | abrotman, thx, that was the solution |
| 00:59.08 | SerajewelKS | zOap: hah |
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| 00:59.18 | myren | i tried apt-get --purge remove and remove --purge on selinux-policy-default, but it keeps telling me its not installed! |
| 00:59.21 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, with answers i'll have predefined |
| 00:59.23 | myren | its keeping my system from booting properly |
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| 00:59.40 | zOap | SerajewelKS, for me that was. not you... argh, again, my.englsih.sucks |
| 00:59.41 | SerajewelKS | myren: if it's not installed, then how is it keeping your system from booting |
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| 00:59.52 | SerajewelKS | zOap: yeah i know =) |
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| 00:59.58 | Estes2 | myren, did you set your kernel params with selinux=0 ? |
| 01:00.00 | dondelelcaro | Estes2: if you already know the answers, use debconf-set-selections and then set DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 01:00.17 | myren | Estes2: I did for this boot, but when the system reboot thats going away |
| 01:00.25 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: sure that's not DEBCONF_FRONTEND? |
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| 01:00.30 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks |
| 01:00.45 | myren | I dont know how to get it to just not do selinux, Im just blindly reaching for guesses and assuming that since selinux-default-policy owns the file causing problems its probably what's checking for it in the first place |
| 01:00.51 | Estes2 | myren, then you have a config file to change no ? |
| 01:00.53 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: "On the other hand, if you just want to change the frontend for a minute, you can set the DEBIAN_FRONTEND environment variable to the name of the frontend to use." |
| 01:00.58 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: man 7 debconf |
| 01:00.59 | myren | "Can't open '/etc/selinux/./policy/policy.19': No such file or directory |
| 01:01.00 | myren | Enforcing mode requested but no policy loaded. Halting now." |
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| 01:01.08 | thingfish | Can you really be a geek and not do linux, these days? I wonder...I just met this guy, and he sure seems geeky (claims to have ~60 computers), but doesn't do linux. |
| 01:01.15 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: just checking... i figured DEBCONF_ made more sense but might not be correct |
| 01:01.29 | Gnea | thingfish: that's a cliche |
| 01:01.34 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes, it's more of a generic thing since when debconf was written, not everything did configuration using it |
| 01:01.39 | myren | um, I'll check /etc/selinux/config.... |
| 01:01.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ah, okay |
| 01:01.52 | thingfish | Gnea: well sometimes cliches exist because they in part reflect reality. |
| 01:01.53 | zOap | thingfish, he is just a wannabe. Ignore him, he will eventually choke on all his antivirus software |
| 01:01.56 | myren | damn i'm gonna be late for movie. :/ |
| 01:02.02 | ziomek | abrotman: the three dns-severs link to one server? i changed the dns in my hosts file to an alternative but then apt reports:there are no public keys aviable... |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | must not be a good movie |
| 01:02.07 | thingfish | hehe zOap |
| 01:02.09 | Gnea | thingfish: in part, yes, but not the whole thing |
| 01:02.14 | myren | i just want my frakking server online |
| 01:02.19 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: on the other hand i work with ~10 geeks and like two of them use linux, but only from a livecd |
| 01:02.23 | azeem | thingfish: some geeks run BSD |
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| 01:02.36 | abrotman | thingfish: are they all x86 ? |
| 01:02.43 | thingfish | azeem: well now *that's* different! |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | azeem: or hurd ? |
| 01:02.47 | Estes2 | myren, no, check nore something like /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:02.55 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, all PIIIs from what he said. |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | thingfish: so . does he run anything other than win32? |
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| 01:03.14 | NOthsouth | hello, is this testing non-free repository correct?? : deb ftp://ftp.pucpr.br/debian/ testing non-free and deb-src ftp://ftp.pucpr.br/debian/ testing non-free |
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| 01:03.31 | thingfish | abrotman: "I have linux on a server downstairs but I've never started it up." |
| 01:03.34 | myren | oh frakballs yeah |
| 01:03.37 | myren | i wonder how this Xen setup works |
| 01:03.37 | SperMite | Eno_ where do i get the java .bin from |
| 01:03.39 | SperMite | ? |
| 01:03.47 | abrotman | SperMite: java.com |
| 01:03.51 | Eno_ | SperMite: http://java.sun.com |
| 01:03.52 | SerajewelKS | i own four computers, two are sarge servers, one is my etch desktop, and one probably has XP installed on the HD. i use it for hard drive recovery and hence don't use the internal drive... i use a kubuntu livecd. |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | thingfish: so they're all windows ? |
| 01:04.00 | thingfish | abrotman: yes. |
| 01:04.06 | aljazira | whats the difference between tcp and tcp6? |
| 01:04.10 | Estes2 | dondelelcaro, btw, man 7 debconf doesn't exists |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | thingfish: so you're chatting with a loser who has .. *60* windows computers? |
| 01:04.18 | kspath | There is nothing wrong with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD as long as you have Debian along for the ride. |
| 01:04.20 | SerajewelKS | aljazira: tcp uses ipv4, tcp6 uses ipv6 |
| 01:04.38 | thingfish | abrotman: although come to think of it, I didn't ask him if any were osx. |
| 01:04.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: imagine the fun when a new worm comes out =) |
| 01:04.49 | dondelelcaro | !+find /debconf.7.gz |
| 01:04.50 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:04.52 | dusty- | Anyone in here using Azureus? |
| 01:04.55 | kspath | abrotman: maybe he will give thingfish a few of them and upgrade them to debian. |
| 01:04.57 | myren | abrotman: actually, it probably is a terrible movie; Underworld |
| 01:04.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the worm has a LAN party |
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| 01:05.07 | abrotman | myren: underworld II ? |
| 01:05.10 | myren | yeah. :/ |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 01:05.17 | ativan | is sid broken currently? |
| 01:05.18 | ziomek | can i download somewhere manually the key-ids of the pagackges/serves from a host? |
| 01:05.18 | SerajewelKS | myren: i can't wait to see that actually |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | thingfish: didn't he say all x86 ? |
| 01:05.32 | ziomek | like us.pgp.net etc...? |
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| 01:05.36 | myren | OMG, I WANT I/o. frak-balls, give me some iops. |
| 01:05.36 | dvs | ativan: When ISN'T it broken? |
| 01:05.58 | ativan | dvs: I don't know :> |
| 01:06.06 | Wyzard | ziomek: Keys of a package? |
| 01:06.06 | SerajewelKS | ativan: there's a reason it's called "unstable" ;) |
| 01:06.20 | myren | Stupid host! |
| 01:06.29 | ativan | what's the codename for current testing? |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | etch |
| 01:06.37 | Gnea | !etch |
| 01:06.37 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 01:06.41 | ziomek | Wyzard: i get the following message while updating: |
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| 01:07.37 | ziomek | there are no public key aviavle for the following key ids: |
| 01:07.40 | Estes2 | "No manual entry for debconf in section 7" |
| 01:07.45 | Wyzard | !tell ziomek about 2006 key |
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| 01:08.20 | ziomek | well on which window the bot tells me the key in irssi, Wyzard ? |
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| 01:08.31 | ziomek | oh its 3;) |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | Guerin: you omniscient freak! |
| 01:09.33 | Guerin | abrotman: i knew you were going to type that |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | Guerin: and then? |
| 01:09.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/debconf.7.gz' (2): (/usr/share/man/man7/debconf.7.gz) in utils/cdebconf,doc/debconf-doc ;; (/usr/share/man/fr/man7/debconf.7.gz, /usr/share/man/pt_BR/man7/debconf.7.gz) in doc/debconf-doc. |
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| 01:10.28 | Guerin | abrotman: yes. |
| 01:10.35 | karsten | Guerin: /msg dpkg esp |
| 01:10.38 | ziomek | ok so i will ad those id manualy or try this 2006 stuff:) |
| 01:10.45 | karsten | Guerin: How's it feel to be retired? |
| 01:10.48 | Guerin | karsten: already did it |
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| 01:10.51 | ativan | how to clear /var/cache/apt/archives debian way? or does one exist |
| 01:10.55 | karsten | Guerin: OK. |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 01:11.00 | Guerin | karsten: i'm not retired, I'm gainfully unemployed on full pay |
| 01:11.01 | Eno_ | Do the debian 2.6 kernels include suspend2 patches? From www.suspend2.net ? Or do I need to compile it myself? |
| 01:11.05 | dvs | ativan: apt-get autoclean |
| 01:11.13 | karsten | Guerin: I thought you wrapped up work yesterday? |
| 01:11.17 | Guerin | Eno_: which kernels? |
| 01:11.20 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 01:11.25 | liable | Eno_: no, you need to patch/compile. |
| 01:11.28 | SerajewelKS | !r |
| 01:11.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 01:11.29 | ziomek | but why they have a spelling mistake? there are no public key ... ? |
| 01:11.30 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 01:11.30 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:11.30 | Guerin | karsten: yes... but I'm still getting paid for another five weeks |
| 01:11.32 | Estes2 | I just don't have it |
| 01:11.36 | Estes2 | bbl anyways |
| 01:11.37 | Eno_ | Guerin: Just the regular 2.6.8 kernel in sarge |
| 01:11.39 | karsten | Guerin: Ah... |
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| 01:11.41 | Wyzard | Eno_: No, but there's a kernel-patch-suspend2 package which you can use with make-kpkg |
| 01:11.41 | Eno_ | Okay. |
| 01:11.45 | Guerin | Eno_: grep the config |
| 01:11.46 | karsten | SerajewelKS: You're missing context. |
| 01:11.55 | Guerin | Eno_: i very much doubt sarge will have it |
| 01:11.59 | karsten | Guerin: WTF was it that started that anyway? |
| 01:12.05 | SerajewelKS | karsten: context or not, when i read "r u" i start having seizures |
| 01:12.07 | Guerin | karsten: i can't even remember |
| 01:12.13 | dusty- | Hey guys I have recently upgraded from sarge to sid, everything works fine apart from my wheel mouse, the wheel doesn't work, it worked out the box in sarge (was using xfree86) now im using xorg in sid it doesn't work, if i push the button down (the wheel down it works as in it clicks something) but if i try using it to scroll no luck :/ |
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| 01:12.21 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:12.23 | Guerin | i think it was something someone else said |
| 01:12.24 | jetscreamer | imps2 vs ps2 |
| 01:12.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Have 'em there. |
| 01:12.28 | jetscreamer | dusty-: |
| 01:12.32 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 01:12.37 | karsten | abrotman: Extra buffy. |
| 01:12.45 | dusty- | i used ps2 |
| 01:12.49 | Jake_ | hmmm i need a dns server |
| 01:12.50 | dusty- | should i change it to imps2? |
| 01:12.52 | jetscreamer | imps2 is for wheelmouse |
| 01:12.54 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 01:12.56 | dusty- | ahh |
| 01:13.02 | dusty- | can i change that without reconfiguring xorg? |
| 01:13.07 | karsten | Jake_: Good evening. I'll be your DNS server for the evening. |
| 01:13.16 | jetscreamer | not really since it's in xorg.conf |
| 01:13.17 | karsten | Jake_: Please remember to tip generously. |
| 01:13.20 | Jake_ | karsten, yahoo.com |
| 01:13.26 | dusty- | jetscreamer, ok |
| 01:13.27 | jetscreamer | if you wanna hand edit it read line 17 or so |
| 01:13.33 | dusty- | so i could just cahnge xorg.conf and restart X |
| 01:13.34 | dusty- | ? |
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| 01:13.43 | jetscreamer | !tell dusty- about xmd5 |
| 01:13.46 | ziomek | ok thx again |
| 01:13.47 | SerajewelKS | i thought ports 49152-65535 were reserved for non-specific use? |
| 01:13.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:13.50 | jetscreamer | you could |
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| 01:13.58 | karsten | Jake_: Babad tip. They're eating it from Google. |
| 01:14.10 | dusty- | jetscreamer, ;) |
| 01:14.20 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ?? |
| 01:14.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: WRT reserved. |
| 01:14.26 | zu | no |
| 01:14.29 | zOap | SerajewelKS, don't tell the kiddies:) |
| 01:14.34 | aljazira | i got this problem with squirrelmail.. or with the imap protocol, i can send emails but cant receive.. is there a way determine whats wrong? |
| 01:14.34 | Jake_ | karsten, eh |
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| 01:14.40 | NOthsouth | can someone tell me where can I find some repositorys for debian testing ?? |
| 01:14.46 | SerajewelKS | karsten: wrt? |
| 01:14.54 | Guerin | NOthsouth: apt-setup |
| 01:14.58 | jetscreamer | ftp.debian.org |
| 01:15.03 | SerajewelKS | karsten: ah.. reserved as in, not assigned any specific protocol |
| 01:15.10 | jetscreamer | what Guerin said |
| 01:15.15 | Eno_ | Wyzard: It is "v", kernel-patch-suspend2 |
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| 01:15.23 | dusty- | Does anyone here successfully run Azureus under Debian SId, i am having troubles installing it, i have checked google too, not alot on there? |
| 01:15.27 | NOthsouth | Guerin, but how can I know what repository had more packages ?? and I need some non free |
| 01:15.27 | Opnsrc | Recently I tried to upgrade KDe to 3.5 and instead it somehow got uninstalled. I tried to re - install it and it says that it depends on other packages. The problem is all the other packages that it depends on are on the list. |
| 01:15.41 | SerajewelKS | Opnsrc: apt-get install kdebase |
| 01:15.44 | jetscreamer | you need java for azureus iirc |
| 01:15.47 | Guerin | NOthsouth: they all have the same packages |
| 01:15.52 | Opnsrc | thanks |
| 01:16.07 | dusty- | jetscreamer, so if i install java tarball from sun, and then retry apt-get install azureus it should work? |
| 01:16.16 | Wyzard | Eno_: ah... it's in experimental |
| 01:16.17 | Guerin | dusty-: no. |
| 01:16.23 | karsten | SerajewelKS: see /etc/services or IANA. FIDOnet's got 60177 & 60179, dircproxy has 57000. Most of the higher-level ports are sort of advisory. |
| 01:16.24 | dusty- | Guerin, ? |
| 01:16.24 | liable | !tell dusty- about install java |
| 01:16.28 | jetscreamer | dusty-: theoretically... but guerin knows all |
| 01:16.28 | Guerin | dusty-: you need to use java-package to make a .deb of it |
| 01:16.30 | NOthsouth | Guerin, can you paste me your source.list please ? |
| 01:16.33 | Guerin | NOthsouth: no. |
| 01:16.48 | dusty- | Guerin, hrm, know of any documents outlining howto install azureus? |
| 01:16.49 | Guerin | NOthsouth: use apt-setup. It will give you a complete testing repository. |
| 01:16.56 | Opnsrc | Now my question is how to I upgrade to KDE version 3.5 ? |
| 01:16.57 | dusty- | on debian |
| 01:17.03 | Guerin | dusty-: install java as per what jetscreamer said, then install it. |
| 01:17.14 | samo | SerqjewelIKS, I found where the error was after a while, mysql needs writing rights to the mysql table in /usr , how can i give writing rights to the mysql user without making the file 777 ? thanks |
| 01:17.14 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i know /etc/services has them, that's why i was asking. someone told me that 49152 and above are reserved for arbitrary use. |
| 01:17.18 | NOthsouth | Guerin, but you just said all repositorys had the same packages... |
| 01:17.22 | Guerin | Opnsrc: if you have to ask, you don't want to. |
| 01:17.24 | zOap | !backport |
| 01:17.24 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 01:17.25 | Wyzard | Opnsrc: Check backports.org to see if someone's backported it to sarge |
| 01:17.31 | NOthsouth | Guerin, I need more packages |
| 01:17.35 | SerajewelKS | samo: i told you how to do that |
| 01:17.37 | Guerin | !need |
| 01:17.37 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 01:17.38 | Opnsrc | It doesn't show on backports last I checked |
| 01:17.42 | dusty- | Guerin, so install java-package then install azureus? |
| 01:17.43 | dimm0k | what version of udev is required for the new 2.6.15.1 kernel? |
| 01:17.48 | Opnsrc | let me check again |
| 01:17.49 | NOthsouth | Guerin, i know I can put some repositorys with more packages.. |
| 01:17.51 | samo | ok thanks a lot |
| 01:17.52 | Guerin | dusty-: that's not what I said. |
| 01:17.58 | karsten | SerajewelKS: IANA is *the* authoritative source on that. |
| 01:18.01 | NOthsouth | Guerin, i just don`t know them |
| 01:18.02 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Check. |
| 01:18.02 | SerajewelKS | samo: the dir and files need to be owned by mysql:mysql, the dir needs 755, the files need 640 |
| 01:18.12 | SerajewelKS | karsten: iana does ports too? |
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| 01:18.25 | dusty- | Guerin, install java from sun, then install azureus? |
| 01:18.26 | Guerin | NOthsouth: if you want non-free, add non-free. If you want contrib, add contrib. |
| 01:18.33 | samo | ok thanks a lot |
| 01:18.34 | Guerin | !tell dusty- about install java |
| 01:18.44 | Wyzard | NOthsouth: apt-get.org and debian-unofficial.org are places to look for unofficial packages |
| 01:19.03 | Wyzard | NOthsouth: There aren't lots of packages there though... most of the software is in Debian itself |
| 01:19.10 | dusty- | !tell dusty java-package |
| 01:19.17 | Guerin | fuck me |
| 01:19.20 | Guerin | dusty-: about |
| 01:19.23 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: *groan* |
| 01:19.29 | Wyzard | dusty-: You can also "/msg dpkg java-package" |
| 01:19.44 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: yes? |
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| 01:19.48 | dusty- | thanks |
| 01:19.49 | liable | dusty-: just write, java-package in the window that dpkg queried you in. |
| 01:19.50 | zOap | Guerin, please don't say that. You never know what the weirdoes in here are willing to do:o |
| 01:19.57 | NOthsouth | Guerin, i thouth for add a non free repository I just have to change the last word in source.list instead testing main .. put testing non-free.. but it don`t work |
| 01:20.02 | shadows | erm, how to make a kernel package debian package for kernel with verzion w.x.y.z ? |
| 01:20.02 | SimonRaven | oh, you were serious. sorry |
| 01:20.11 | Guerin | zOap: hey, if they can make it all the way here, they're welcome to have their way. |
| 01:20.13 | Wyzard | NOthsouth: Don't *remove* main |
| 01:20.13 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: serious wrt what |
| 01:20.24 | Guerin | NOthsouth: it does work. |
| 01:20.27 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: i thought you made a pun with bsd ports and tcp/udp/... ports |
| 01:20.28 | Opnsrc | Thanks |
| 01:20.29 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:20.33 | Guerin | yeah, don't remove main |
| 01:20.35 | zOap | I'm gonna lol now. yes I am, here it comes. LOL |
| 01:20.37 | NOthsouth | Wyzard, i know, i copy the line.. |
| 01:20.37 | Wyzard | NOthsouth: Add "contrib" and "non-free" to the end of the line, after "main" |
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| 01:20.48 | NOthsouth | Wyzard, HOww.. i see.. |
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| 01:20.53 | zOap | !lol |
| 01:20.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 01:20.54 | Wyzard | NOthsouth: You don't need to... just put "main contrib non-free" all on the same line |
| 01:21.05 | shadows | lol |
| 01:21.07 | NOthsouth | Wyzard, now i understand |
| 01:21.09 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven: oh.. i know little about BSD so if i did make a pun then i must be smarter than i thought ;) |
| 01:21.13 | NOthsouth | Wyzard, thx dude .. |
| 01:21.20 | NOthsouth | Guerin, thx |
| 01:21.25 | SimonRaven | ha! :P |
| 01:21.27 | zOap | h* |
| 01:21.37 | thingfish | boozer |
| 01:21.47 | Guerin | shadows: using make-kpkg. install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev bzip2 fakeroot; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 01:21.49 | kspath | hmm odd that lol did not come from AOL users though |
| 01:21.52 | shadows | SimonRaven: hey... make-kpkg fails to build an w.x.y.z versioned kernel. know any tricks to make that work again? |
| 01:21.53 | jetscreamer | lags eh |
| 01:21.56 | kspath | but oh well |
| 01:22.05 | SimonRaven | laugs. things you read, or you sit on |
| 01:22.09 | kspath | I do agree that lol does not sound like laughing |
| 01:22.09 | shadows | Guerin: it doesn't work for the w.x.y.z versioned kernels |
| 01:22.13 | thingfish | oh yes, it is friday, isn't it - people are allowed to booze it. |
| 01:22.19 | shadows | Guerin: at least, that's what i've reduced it to |
| 01:22.22 | SimonRaven | shadows: man make-kpkg |
| 01:22.22 | zOap | l.a.u.g.h |
| 01:22.28 | Guerin | shadows: it should |
| 01:22.30 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 01:22.39 | thingfish | well who cares, lol is a symbol. I think all the opposition to it is rather silly. |
| 01:22.40 | Guerin | shadows: all it does is edit a few files and call make |
| 01:22.54 | shadows | Guerin: oh. there's some logic i'm seeing in the scripts which presumes x.y.z versioned kernel |
| 01:22.54 | Guerin | thingfish: we value your input. |
| 01:22.56 | liable | shadows: on vanilla kernels you mean? it certainly does.. |
| 01:23.00 | shadows | hm |
| 01:23.00 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
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| 01:23.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:23.04 | zOap | thingfish, yes we do, you silly you |
| 01:23.04 | shadows | how about 2.6.15.1 ? |
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| 01:23.09 | thingfish | !win Guerin |
| 01:23.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:23.13 | shadows | i tried that, it's the first one to fail spectacularly |
| 01:23.17 | Guerin | thingfish: already got several |
| 01:23.18 | jetscreamer | lol obtained all your base and all your zig |
| 01:23.34 | SimonRaven | @wb jetscreamer |
| 01:23.34 | thingfish | well, then maybe I should've beered you. |
| 01:23.39 | Guerin | hrm, I wonder if I can do greylist+whitelist |
| 01:23.41 | Wyzard | shadows: Use linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 01:23.41 | SimonRaven | !wb jetscreamer |
| 01:23.41 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jetscreamer has returned! |
| 01:23.46 | zOap | !beer everyone |
| 01:23.47 | shadows | Wyzard: oh, hm |
| 01:23.57 | thingfish | ick, I don't do guinness. |
| 01:23.57 | shadows | Wyzard: i'm using a vanilla 2.6.15 kernel presently |
| 01:24.06 | Guerin | thingfish: you have my sympathy. |
| 01:24.11 | SimonRaven | i don't do beer |
| 01:24.12 | thingfish | bah |
| 01:24.25 | blahdeblah | thingfish: Guinness is good for you! |
| 01:24.38 | zOap | me like tequila. |
| 01:24.39 | Wyzard | shadows: Debian's kernel source packages do incorporate the ".z" updates -- they don't necessarily update for every increment of .z, but the changelog for linux-source-2.6.15 says it does indeed incorporate 2.6.15.1 |
| 01:24.40 | thingfish | give me ale, or bourbon, or gin, or red wine...but not guinness. |
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| 01:24.55 | shadows | Wyzard: i ran into trouble trying to make-kpkg an mm series patched pre release kernel (USB related fixes important to me, broken since 2.6.6)... then i thought, okay something less funky, and tried make-kpkg on 2.6.15.1 vanilla which failed |
| 01:24.56 | thingfish | although guinness is good to add to a roast. |
| 01:25.01 | shadows | make-kpkg works on 2.6.15 vanilla |
| 01:25.02 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 01:25.06 | shadows | kind of confused here |
| 01:25.11 | zenwryly | I can't seem to get "apt-get install kde" to work on sid. Anyone got any info? |
| 01:25.12 | shadows | Wyzard: oh! |
| 01:25.17 | SimonRaven | jetscreamer: :D |
| 01:25.28 | SimonRaven | good to see you in here |
| 01:25.28 | Guerin | thingfish: fuck! you just reminded me that I have to take the leg of lamb out of the freezer about 8 hours ago |
| 01:25.29 | zOap | blahdeblah, I like it how you managed to get "deb" in to your nick, very subtle:) |
| 01:25.30 | shadows | Wyzard: so that means a debian source package will have updates to the x.y.z logic to make it w.x.y.z huh |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | zenwryly: try kdebase |
| 01:25.37 | Guerin | !thingfish++ |
| 01:25.46 | thingfish | Guerin: ooh yummy what are you going to do with it? |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | eat it |
| 01:25.54 | thingfish | well duh |
| 01:25.57 | SimonRaven | Guerin: oops |
| 01:25.57 | liable | dont ask, hes a kiwi :) |
| 01:25.59 | Guerin | thingfish: there'ss only one thing you can do with a leg of lamb |
| 01:26.00 | thingfish | I want to know *how*. |
| 01:26.06 | thingfish | roast? |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | thingfish: hard to tell with kiwis and thier lambs .. |
| 01:26.13 | thingfish | with garlic thrust into it? |
| 01:26.15 | zenwryly | abrotman: I've got kdebase already. What is in kde? |
| 01:26.15 | shadows | go hunting for lambs |
| 01:26.20 | shadows | with it as a club |
| 01:26.20 | Wyzard | shadows: I don't know the details of what they do in the packaging or whether any special tricks are needed to make it "work"... but I'm currently running a kernel I built from the latest linux-source-2.6.15, so I know that it does in fact work |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | zenwryly: apparently packages that won't install |
| 01:26.31 | SimonRaven | just don't beeh in front of him :P |
| 01:26.36 | jetscreamer | zenwryly: /msg dpkg depends kde |
| 01:26.39 | shadows | Wyzard: well, the debian source package works |
| 01:26.40 | thingfish | and encased in a slather of coarse mustard, honey, and rosemary? |
| 01:26.48 | shadows | 'make-kpkg' for vanilla kernel did not work here |
| 01:26.49 | Jake_ | hmmm what dns server would be a good choice for use in a public situation? |
| 01:26.55 | zOap | I need a wild pig, or whats it's called. like that old galliean Obelix what's his name.. |
| 01:27.01 | SimonRaven | your own |
| 01:27.02 | Jake_ | bind.. or one of the others? |
| 01:27.03 | jetscreamer | i built 2.6.15 a month ago or so when it first hit sources |
| 01:27.06 | shadows | i wonder if one of you other people would volunteer to build a 2.6.15.1 vanilla kernel from sources off kernel.org |
| 01:27.08 | thingfish | hey, I'd cook a wild pig, sure thing. |
| 01:27.10 | shadows | and see if it works |
| 01:27.11 | jetscreamer | it would be bind9 btw i think |
| 01:27.20 | shadows | jetscreamer: ditto. 2.6.15 was not a problem to build |
| 01:27.20 | Wyzard | shadows: It's been a long time since I've built a kernel from a kernel.org tree, so I can't say much on that topic... but the Debian packages work well |
| 01:27.29 | shadows | it's 2.6.15.1 that has given me trouble |
| 01:27.30 | blahdeblah | zOap: Wild boar. |
| 01:27.45 | Guerin | thingfish: fuck that. Simplicity is key. spike it with rosemary, garlic and anchovies, rub the skin with salt and pepper |
| 01:27.46 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: oh, its just a meatapackage? |
| 01:27.46 | zOap | thingfish, please, do, and let me have they ears will you. they are just yummy |
| 01:27.48 | Guerin | that's it |
| 01:28.05 | SimonRaven | rub it good |
| 01:28.08 | jetscreamer | shadows: lately i've been seeing borked modules that crap out my builds... ones that used to work, too |
| 01:28.13 | jetscreamer | yes zenwryly |
| 01:28.14 | Wyzard | shadows: Unless for some reason you have a specific need to run an official kernel.org kernel, just use linux-source-2.6.15... |
| 01:28.15 | thingfish | Guerin gets 100 points for using anchovies in his recipe. |
| 01:28.24 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 01:28.30 | shadows | Wyzard: that's the thing, i have a specific need |
| 01:28.39 | Guerin | anchovies are traditional with lamb, it's not like I made it up |
| 01:28.40 | shadows | USB is fubar in 2.6.15 on my platform for several key things |
| 01:29.05 | Wyzard | shadows: to run official 2.6.15.1 and not Debian's version of 2.6.15.1 ? |
| 01:29.17 | Wyzard | shadows: If it's just the .1 updates you need, you get those either way |
| 01:29.20 | zOap | shadows, USB is fubar nomatter what platform, nomatter what world. USB sucks |
| 01:29.20 | shadows | i spotted that the mm2 2.6.16pre patches have a wallop of new fixes |
| 01:29.20 | thingfish | well, I'm no gourmet cook, but I've experience in the kitchen, professionally even, and I've never heard of anchovies with lamb before. |
| 01:29.34 | Guerin | if the debian 2.6.15 is b0rkn, chances are the upstream will be too |
| 01:29.36 | shadows | zOap: ... |
| 01:29.42 | shadows | yeah |
| 01:29.51 | jetscreamer | thingfish: korea... kimchee... whadaya expect ? :) |
| 01:29.54 | kspath | thingfish: the hunter is slathered with the mustard, honey, and rosemary or the leg of lamb? |
| 01:30.00 | thingfish | ooh yum, kim chee |
| 01:30.01 | shadows | that's what my goal is though, to build 2.6.16pre kernel with mm2 patches |
| 01:30.06 | shadows | i'll do that later |
| 01:30.08 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:30.11 | abrotman | thingfish: http://www.foodster.net/2003/07/leg_of_lamb_wit.html |
| 01:30.17 | thingfish | kspath: I can go for both. |
| 01:30.22 | shadows | after i am sure the build process will support an w.x.y.z versioned kernel |
| 01:30.24 | shadows | which i think it may not |
| 01:30.29 | jetscreamer | i work for koreans.. nice ppl btw. she told me kimchee is believed to cure bird flu |
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| 01:30.52 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yeah, it more or less cures everything. |
| 01:30.53 | zOap | If it weren't for my bad pitching arm, I'd throw the USB core to China. But then, it would just turn up again cracked and renewed:) |
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| 01:31.21 | shadows | here, use this on yourself. |
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| 01:31.35 | thingfish | abrotman: well, I do love lamb, and I do love lemon, and I do love anchovies and rosemary... |
| 01:31.36 | zOap | thank you, I needed that one:) |
| 01:31.38 | Wyzard | shadows: BTW, the "pre" kernels usually get put into Debian experimental at some point, though there doesn't seem to be a 2.6.16pre yet |
| 01:32.36 | thingfish | OK, so hmm, anchovies with lamb. |
| 01:32.36 | crschmidt | I want a list of all the packages installed by name: it looks like dpkg -l does this, but when I spit it to a file, it seems to chop them short |
| 01:32.36 | shadows | Wyzard: good to know |
| 01:32.36 | Wyzard | shadows: Actually... sorry, it's the RCs that I'm thinking of |
| 01:32.36 | crschmidt | Is there any way to say "Give me just the package names" or something like that, or some other way? |
| 01:32.36 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Yes. |
| 01:32.37 | Wyzard | shadows: I ran 2.6.15rc5 from experimental for several weeks before 2.6.15 went final |
| 01:32.37 | liable | crschmidt: dpkg --get-selections > file.txt |
| 01:32.37 | zOap | thingfish, you may have heard that Aquevit is nice with lamb, but here is a new one, Apfelkorn and lamb is a killer! |
| 01:32.37 | thingfish | oh crap that does sound good... |
| 01:32.37 | jetscreamer | crschmidt: you mean installed packages? |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | thingfish: go for it! ... impress the SO |
| 01:32.38 | karsten | SerajewelKS: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 01:32.39 | jetscreamer | what liable said |
| 01:32.40 | crschmidt | jetscreamer: yeah |
| 01:32.42 | Guerin | thingfish: for even greater justice s/lemon jiuce/balsamico/ |
| 01:32.44 | crschmidt | thanks! |
| 01:32.45 | thingfish | apfelkorn? don't know that |
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| 01:32.51 | thingfish | ooh yes! Guerin. |
| 01:33.11 | shadows | Wyzard: i'm usually running the most recent vanilla stable kernel. it's just that since 2.6.5 kernel, i've liked 2.6.x function with the exception of USB. The USB function is really turning out to be a nightmare, under the current URB-based system |
| 01:33.12 | zOap | thingfish, german apple drink |
| 01:33.15 | thingfish | ah |
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| 01:33.17 | anapivirtua | good night all |
| 01:33.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: "The Registered Ports are in the range 1024-49151." |
| 01:33.24 | zOap | gets your head spinning |
| 01:33.24 | thingfish | nite nite anapivirtua |
| 01:33.33 | Wyzard | shadows: Out of curiosity, what problems do you have with USB? |
| 01:33.34 | crschmidt | liable: thanks, that was exactly what I needed. |
| 01:33.34 | zOap | nite dude |
| 01:33.39 | Wyzard | shadows: I haven't had any problems with it myself |
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| 01:33.52 | shadows | Wyzard: there's some efforts in the mm series to depreciate the URB model and supplement that missing function with an Endpoint based system |
| 01:33.53 | thingfish | dammit, now I want some lamb. but I want it grilled, outside. |
| 01:33.55 | pixolet | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 01:34.03 | liable | crschmidt: yw |
| 01:34.04 | Amine | [01:31] (Zeppelin): then thats an OS issue .. talk to your shell provider |
| 01:34.05 | Amine | [01:32] (Zeppelin): its not an eggdrop issue |
| 01:34.18 | shadows | Wyzard: certain hubs, keyboards, audio devices, pretty much all the USB kit I own with the exception of pointing devices |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | Amine: are we your shell provider? |
| 01:34.31 | karsten | Feh. GPG sig errors on update. And I already fixed that. |
| 01:34.32 | zOap | thingfish, here, you can borrow my grill, its -10C here and snow to your thies |
| 01:34.34 | shadows | Wyzard: they all cause the USB stack to give up hope and spit out URB request errors |
| 01:34.38 | Amine | abrotman no |
| 01:34.42 | thingfish | hahaha zOap |
| 01:34.50 | Wyzard | shadows: Well, the only USB devices I've used lately are flash drives and mice... I guess it's not surprising that I haven't had problems |
| 01:35.00 | Amine | but i got the ps x show the multithread for eggdrop on my debian |
| 01:35.10 | Amine | how can i fix it to show just the father |
| 01:35.12 | shadows | Wyzard: i've tried the old allocation methods at runtime, patches to slow down the wait periods after hub power on, everything i could think of using vanilla 2.6.15 as a base |
| 01:35.42 | shadows | Wyzard: supposedly this will all be fixed in 2.6.17-18ish |
| 01:35.43 | Wyzard | shadows: Have you tried a different system? Maybe one with different hardware, OHCI vs. UHCI |
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| 01:36.03 | Amine | so |
| 01:36.05 | Amine | any one to help |
| 01:36.09 | shadows | Wyzard: i only have the one system as a desktop. that part is not going to change |
| 01:36.28 | shadows | my servers and other important gear still run older kernels |
| 01:36.39 | shadows | i would upgrade to 2.6.15 with the exception of USB function |
| 01:36.50 | Guerin | are there any remote exploits in 2.6.12-14? |
| 01:36.59 | shadows | and i'm also not entirely sure how 3rd party modules are going to crash with the recently fixed get_page() bug |
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| 01:37.25 | zOap | Guerin, ofcourse there is:) |
| 01:37.50 | zOap | Guerin, but hush, don't tell the kiddies:) |
| 01:37.51 | linux_user400354 | wine says i need an active x control can anyone help? |
| 01:37.58 | kspath | Amine: there is ps and pstree read their man pages |
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| 01:38.00 | Guerin | zOap: let me rephrase: any *known*? |
| 01:38.10 | Guerin | linux_user400354: #wnehq |
| 01:38.16 | Guerin | #winehq |
| 01:38.20 | shadows | Guerin: call up the user and ask for their interlink authentication routing plan ID, when they sound confused, tell them you're hunting down the war on terror and it is vital that they give you their password. |
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| 01:38.22 | abrotman | linux_user400354: #winehq |
| 01:38.28 | deadcat | if you apt-get install wine and it dont work. tahts the end of the conversation |
| 01:38.39 | shadows | Guerin: there's your remote access method. |
| 01:38.40 | shadows | :) |
| 01:39.00 | zOap | Guerin, not according to packetstorm |
| 01:39.01 | Guerin | shadows: no ... i'm just wondering if there's any solid reason to not keep on using non-2.6.15 |
| 01:39.09 | Guerin | i didn't think so either |
| 01:39.09 | shadows | oh |
| 01:39.13 | Guerin | so just don't upgrade |
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| 01:39.33 | shadows | well 2.6.15 kernel fixes a historical bug in get_page(); my advice is not to upgrade if you aren't sure of compatibility |
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| 01:39.50 | thingfish | hey pedro420, how are you. |
| 01:39.50 | shadows | i.e. all 3rd party modules will OOPS your kernel in the swap code |
| 01:39.55 | shadows | which is highly bad. |
| 01:40.03 | Wyzard | 26.15 also makes some significant improvements to SATA support |
| 01:40.15 | zOap | Guerin, I use 2.6.12 myself and I haven't managed to "hack" in through any backports yet. But then again, I'm only using the "known" methods... |
| 01:40.21 | Wyzard | shadows: *All* third-party modules? |
| 01:40.26 | shadows | i've got a patch btw on that topic for the ATI 3rd party fglrx drivers if anyone needs those to work correctly when using a 2.6.15 vanilla kernel |
| 01:40.31 | shadows | Wyzard: yeah, pretty much |
| 01:40.33 | Wyzard | shadows: nvidia-kernel is working fine for me, FWIW |
| 01:40.43 | Guerin | zOap: i'm still running .12 as well |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | sounds like shadows has patched his kernel enough to break it :) |
| 01:40.46 | Pedro420 | thingfish: Hey ! I am fine. How are you ? |
| 01:40.47 | kjon | Hello people. I have a question: How do I pick a custom resolution for GDM? |
| 01:40.47 | thingfish | abrotman: #debian attracts oddballs like a black hole attracts matter. |
| 01:41.03 | thingfish | Pedro420: I'm fine and getting better the more I smoke! |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | thingfish: and neither can fill up! |
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| 01:41.18 | shadows | abrotman: stock kernel is fixed, which breaks 3rd party modules that have worked around this bug for years |
| 01:41.19 | thingfish | abrotman: true! |
| 01:41.30 | _Sam-- | where would i start to read up about doing some kind of http failover if a primary http server went down |
| 01:41.32 | kspath | I am absolute proof that this channel attracts the odd. |
| 01:41.35 | shadows | kjon: erm |
| 01:41.44 | shadows | kjon: good question? |
| 01:41.45 | Pedro420 | thingfish: Hey me too |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | shadows: so .. downgrade? |
| 01:41.54 | Wyzard | _Sam--: The documentation for your HTTP server, presumably |
| 01:41.57 | shadows | kjon: i think GDM defaults to the highest res that your monitor supports, i am unsure |
| 01:41.58 | thingfish | kspath: well, you're not as bad as some. you're actually quite within reason. |
| 01:41.59 | zOap | kspath, noooooo o_O?:o |
| 01:42.00 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Apache most likkely |
| 01:42.02 | thingfish | so try harder. |
| 01:42.08 | shadows | abrotman: potentially. |
| 01:42.18 | _Sam-- | that doesnt make sense...if my apache box is down, how will it know what to failover to |
| 01:42.20 | shadows | abrotman: but then you're running a kernel that has a known bug in it |
| 01:42.24 | thingfish | Pedro420: ;) |
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| 01:42.25 | shadows | i'm not fond of that |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | shadows: and yours apparently doesn't work .. who wins? .. |
| 01:42.45 | shadows | i'd rather use a non-critical box to get all these bugs worked out |
| 01:42.47 | Pedro420 | thingfish: :-D |
| 01:42.49 | thingfish | I just run sarge. all you mf's should run it too. that's all I got to say. |
| 01:42.55 | _Sam-- | im thinking something like a small cluster or something, but im not sure the r4ight terminology |
| 01:43.00 | shadows | then use that to make a decision on whether to upgrade the others and how to procede |
| 01:43.04 | _Sam-- | if i had 2 boxes setup the same... |
| 01:43.10 | _Sam-- | how would i do a failover type situation |
| 01:43.17 | Wyzard | _Sam--: I'm not saying that the server itself will implement the fix... just that the documentation would probably talk about how to set up a system for failover |
| 01:43.35 | _Sam-- | right now i have to do it manually |
| 01:43.39 | _Sam-- | via a dns switch |
| 01:43.42 | kjon | shadows: It picks 1024x768, but my actual monitor is damaged. So I see a what-a-weirdo pattern of lines. |
| 01:43.43 | Wyzard | _Sam--: The "fake" and "heartbeat" packages look interesting too |
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| 01:43.52 | _Sam-- | but i have two boxes that run the same things, one rsyncs another |
| 01:43.58 | shadows | kjon: you could always do ctrl+alt+keypadplusorminus |
| 01:43.59 | kjon | shadows: I need to set it at 800x600... |
| 01:44.02 | _Sam-- | but if the main box goes down...the only way to get the other is via a dns switch |
| 01:44.05 | thingfish | why the hell is it you go looking for a job and all these fuckers run is windows. |
| 01:44.10 | Wyzard | kjon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:44.12 | shadows | kjon: it's crude and hackish, but it will get the job done |
| 01:44.15 | shadows | ;) |
| 01:44.17 | zenwryly | I need to setup a runlevel or an init script or something that will launch a local xserver on debian boot while listening for xdmcp requests from cygwin when booted under colinux *without* running an xserver. Should I use some combination of dpkg-divert and update-alternatives? |
| 01:44.22 | Wyzard | kjon: It asks you to pick what resolutions you want to enable |
| 01:44.27 | zOap | !hack |
| 01:44.50 | shadows | Wyzard: it does not tell you to pick a resolution for gdm |
| 01:44.52 | kjon | Wyzard: Thx!. |
| 01:45.09 | _Sam-- | hmm...thank you, i think heartbeat may do some good |
| 01:45.10 | Wyzard | shadows: GDM uses whatever resolution X is using |
| 01:45.43 | shadows | careful |
| 01:45.47 | shadows | you'll get quite a shock |
| 01:45.51 | shadows | if you screw that up |
| 01:45.59 | thingfish | it's worth investing in a decent monitor, for sure. |
| 01:46.15 | kjon | thx for the waring shadows, but I guess this thing can't get any worse... :P |
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| 01:47.23 | thegoldenaura | Hi there. Is it really not recomended to use ETCH for a server? |
| 01:47.38 | Wyzard | thegoldenaura: yes |
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| 01:48.05 | thegoldenaura | Wyzard: so i shoudl keep my dist in Sarge |
| 01:48.06 | zOap | bollocks |
| 01:48.09 | Wyzard | thegoldenaura: Well, it's recommended not to use testing, and etch is currently testing... eventually etch will be released as stable, and then you should use it, of course |
| 01:48.10 | abrotman | thegoldenaura: really .. don't |
| 01:48.11 | Amine | sorry but i didnt got a real help with the man commands |
| 01:48.11 | zOap | !lart xchat |
| 01:48.19 | thingfish | thegoldenaura: it's not recommended to use anything but sarge in a production environment. |
| 01:48.40 | Wyzard | thegoldenaura: testing is meant for finding and fixing bugs, not for running production servers |
| 01:49.06 | thegoldenaura | Thanks. I am using Zope and Plone, and most of the times i have to use at least just to use the apt-get using testing to get those specific packages |
| 01:49.06 | thingfish | Sarge is *the* premier GNU/Linux iteration for the production environment. |
| 01:49.25 | zOap | thegoldenaura, you might loose your aura if you try to do production in testing systems... |
| 01:49.29 | _Sam-- | Wyzard: thank you again for your pointers...100% spot on |
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| 01:49.35 | _Sam-- | fake and heartbeat both |
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| 01:49.54 | thegoldenaura | :D:D |
| 01:50.12 | Wyzard | _Sam--: All I did was "apt-cache search takeover", remembering that I'd seen a package at some point in the past that was for letting one machine take over the IP of another |
| 01:50.12 | thegoldenaura | thanks you guys ;) |
| 01:50.16 | zOap | np |
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| 01:50.38 | thingfish | para servirle |
| 01:50.55 | thingfish | :) |
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| 01:51.05 | zOap | ^^ what he said:) |
| 01:51.08 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Actually, if I'd read one line further in my search results, I would've also noticed that there's a "heartbeat-2" which is a newer version... you might want to use that instead |
| 01:51.50 | _Sam-- | i have really basic needs...and it seems that 'fake' may be ok |
| 01:51.52 | kspath | there are sites like LVSP and HA that talk about useful things/tools |
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| 01:53.01 | shredthis | must go TODAY. MESSAGE ME ONLY ON MSN AT MCSLTD2@HOTMAIL.COM, AIM AT OGD443 or YAHOO at MCSLTD2 IF INTERESTED! 1 alienware desktop computer price $550, one alienware area51-m 5700 notebook price $550. prices include sameday shipping, case, wireless router. |
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| 01:53.12 | Guerin | shredthis: fuck off |
| 01:53.15 | abrotman | shredthis: go away |
| 01:53.16 | thingfish | anathema sit |
| 01:53.23 | zOap | !Worker |
| 01:53.24 | dpkg | worker is probably The absolute top of the nothch two pane fm out there. It's fast and reliable. Go get it dude |
| 01:53.29 | deadcat | shredthis: hey. what the fuck. thats my email address you asshole |
| 01:53.40 | thingfish | !ops shredthis is in-channel spamming |
| 01:53.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: shredthis is in-channel spamming |
| 01:53.51 | Gnea | !troll shredthis |
| 01:54.15 | zOap | !lart shredthis |
| 01:54.27 | zOap | !hack shredthis |
| 01:54.29 | thingfish | of course, all the ops are in various pubs somewhere, being as it's friday night. |
| 01:54.37 | Gnea | !ops shredthis is soliciting |
| 01:54.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: shredthis is soliciting |
| 01:54.39 | kspath | !smite shredthis |
| 01:54.52 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:54.53 | helix | umm |
| 01:54.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 01:54.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 01:54.58 | thingfish | oh yay! |
| 01:55.04 | PhilKC | and yet, it doesn't have !kick ? |
| 01:55.04 | helix | zOap: could you not do that ever again? |
| 01:55.15 | thingfish | kisses for helix, and flowers and godiva chocolates! |
| 01:55.24 | zOap | helix, I'm sorry, do what? |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | thingfish: no chocolates! |
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| 01:55.29 | helix | zOap: abusing the bot |
| 01:55.32 | _Sam-- | kspath: thank you also for directing me to lsvp |
| 01:55.35 | dondelelcaro | zOap: please don't use the bot to abuse other people. |
| 01:55.37 | zOap | helix, ok:) |
| 01:55.40 | helix | thank you |
| 01:55.45 | thingfish | oh yes, abrotman - chocolates! and dark ones, at that! |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | thingfish: milk ? |
| 01:55.54 | zOap | helix, but I think I was not the only one.... |
| 01:55.57 | Amine | guy plz |
| 01:56.02 | thingfish | abrotman: don't insult me. |
| 01:56.04 | Gnea | i look into the channel for a second and bam |
| 01:56.05 | Amine | can anyone help me on this multithread matter ? |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | thingfish: that's not what i meant |
| 01:56.19 | Gnea | !tell Amine about ask |
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| 01:56.29 | thingfish | milk chocolates are for...the candy bar crowd. |
| 01:56.42 | thingfish | oh - milk *with* dark chocolate? |
| 01:56.46 | helix | thingfish: I'm vegan, but I appreciate the thought :P |
| 01:56.49 | Amine | Gnea i got eggdrop running multi-thread and the problem is form the OS debian sarge |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | thingfish: milk comes from cows :) |
| 01:56.57 | thingfish | um yeah |
| 01:57.00 | Amine | that what we told me on the eggdrop help channel |
| 01:57.06 | zOap | how is milk chocolate possible when the chocolate is dark? |
| 01:57.06 | kspath | Amine: Did you try seaching google for threads ? there are pthreads posix styling |
| 01:57.10 | Amine | coz on my fc it dont have multithread |
| 01:57.11 | Gnea | Amine: we? |
| 01:57.17 | thingfish | well but there's no milk in dark chocolate. |
| 01:57.18 | Wyzard | Amine: What's the problem you're having? That all the threads show up separately in a "ps" listing? |
| 01:57.21 | helix | zOap: dark chocolate is generally ok, but godiva doesn't only sell dark chocolate |
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| 01:57.26 | Amine | Wyzard |
| 01:57.27 | Amine | yes |
| 01:57.31 | Amine | that's right |
| 01:57.31 | zOap | oh |
| 01:57.34 | kspath | fc =~ fedora cursed? |
| 01:57.44 | thingfish | oh sorry, helix. for me, there is only one chocolate, and it is dark. |
| 01:57.45 | deadcat | core |
| 01:57.47 | Wyzard | Amine: apt-get install libc6-i686, restart eggdrop, and check again |
| 01:57.50 | helix | thingfish: ah, ok :) |
| 01:57.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:57.55 | Amine | ok |
| 01:57.56 | Wyzard | Amine: (dunno for sure if that'll work, but I suspect it will) |
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| 01:58.14 | thingfish | that milk stuff... I mean they feed that to pigs I think. |
| 01:58.22 | dondelelcaro | cocĂ£o+sugar==cood |
| 01:58.25 | dondelelcaro | s/cood/good/ |
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| 01:58.32 | thingfish | very very |
| 01:58.32 | _Sam-- | kspath : is lvsp current? the last new things are from 2003 |
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| 01:58.44 | Wyzard | Amine: (I assume your processor is not a 386, 486, or Pentium-classic, in which case that won't work) |
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| 01:58.47 | zOap | thingfish, don't insult milk, I'm a former farmer, and milk was my livelihood, grr:) |
| 01:59.02 | Amine | Wyzard |
| 01:59.03 | Amine | same thing |
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| 01:59.20 | thingfish | aargh I'm not insulting milk, zOap. I love milk. From Whole to 2%. |
| 01:59.28 | Amine | check this is my phpsysinfo |
| 01:59.31 | thingfish | below 2%, forget it. |
| 01:59.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:59.39 | Amine | http://alpes.webdesignpro.org/app/sysinfo |
| 01:59.51 | Wyzard | Amine: You *might* need to restart the computer for that to take effect, though I doubt it... might be worth a shot |
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| 01:59.59 | Wyzard | Amine: If not, then I don't know |
| 02:00.00 | zOap | thingfish, I'm smacking you with a whole bucket of milk:) |
| 02:00.10 | deadcat | Amine: not bad. |
| 02:00.23 | Wyzard | Amine: Threads having different PIDs was a characteristic of the old threads implementation, called "linuxthreads" |
| 02:00.23 | Amine | deadcat i know |
| 02:00.49 | deadcat | antibular: i said not bad. i didnt say nice |
| 02:01.02 | Wyzard | Amine: libc6-i686 uses the newer implementation, called NPTL, which doesn't have that problem -- all threads in a process have the same PID and therefore shouldn't create duplicate entries in "ps" |
| 02:01.16 | deadcat | Amine: ^^ |
| 02:01.28 | thingfish | zOap: you can't just say "a cheese". You have to tell what kind of cheese. |
| 02:01.36 | Amine | ok |
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| 02:01.44 | zOap | thingfish, um, ok, Jarlsberg |
| 02:01.48 | Amine | Wyzard it can work if i restart the server ? |
| 02:01.49 | thingfish | meh |
| 02:02.02 | Wyzard | Amine: It seems to me that using NPTL would solve your problem, and installing libc6-i686 *should* cause any newly-started processes to use NPTL instead of linuxthreads, but I'm not entirely sure about that latter part |
| 02:02.07 | thingfish | I was hoping for a creamy old gorgonzola. |
| 02:02.08 | Wyzard | Amine: Give it a try, sure |
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| 02:02.15 | zOap | naah, to old |
| 02:02.19 | thingfish | bah |
| 02:02.21 | Froo | Good evening. |
| 02:02.25 | zOap | I like cheese that stays still |
| 02:02.28 | svirfneblin | hi can someone help me setup wireless on my laptop? |
| 02:02.37 | Amine | Wyzard how i do to use NPTL ?? |
| 02:02.44 | zOap | svirfneblin, we may or may not... |
| 02:02.56 | hatake_kakashi | svirfneblin: there's howtos for that everywhere |
| 02:03.05 | Wyzard | Amine: I thought that having libc6-i686 installed would cause NPTL to be used automatically for any newly-started processes, but apparently I'm wrong |
| 02:03.06 | Froo | svirfneblin: Wireless on laptop. How far have you got? |
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| 02:03.19 | Amine | i restart now |
| 02:03.21 | Amine | to see |
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| 02:03.26 | Amine | if it take effects |
| 02:03.42 | svirfneblin | i got pcmcia_cs wireless_tools dhcpcd |
| 02:04.00 | Amine | i'll answer when it will be up again |
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| 02:04.04 | zOap | svirfneblin, we have to know fabricate, chipset and so on.. |
| 02:04.06 | moreno | que pasa |
| 02:04.15 | thingfish | nem uma coisa. |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:04.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:04.23 | moreno | titleDebian kernel 2.4.20 |
| 02:04.23 | moreno | root(hd0,2) |
| 02:04.24 | moreno | kernel/boot/bzimage-2.4.20 root=/dev/hda3 ro ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off nomce quiet dma knoppix lang=es knoppix 2 knoppix bootfrom=/dev/hda1/knoppix.iso knoppix desktop=fluxbox vga=791 |
| 02:04.24 | moreno | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.4.20 |
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| 02:04.51 | dscener | Anyone know of a tool for creating DVD video from video files? |
| 02:04.58 | svirfneblin | this is Linksys wireless-b model no: wpc11 2.4 ghz 802.11b |
| 02:05.06 | dusty- | Where is the plugins directory locate or where do i create it for mozilla firefox 1.5 running under debian? |
| 02:05.16 | svirfneblin | how do I check if I have correct kernel modules installed? I guess that's something I should do |
| 02:05.22 | Wyzard | dscener: Several such packages exist... I don't remember the names of any offhand, but "apt-cache search dvd" would find them |
| 02:05.37 | zOap | svirfneblin, um, try prism54 or ndiswrapper |
| 02:05.45 | svirfneblin | mmmm k |
| 02:05.55 | zOap | svirfneblin, and you need wireless-tools |
| 02:06.07 | svirfneblin | i have that as well, sorry I forgot to mention |
| 02:06.15 | _Sam-- | Wyzard : since you really are the wyzard...we were earlier discussing my compact flash IDE ...well, i have it for a few client machines, i just a a filesystem, and dd it to new installs.... |
| 02:06.22 | zOap | svirfneblin, you have what? |
| 02:06.30 | svirfneblin | wireless-tools |
| 02:06.36 | _Sam-- | but i have a graphical XDM login for each client....and i need to run dpkg-reconfigure X-windowsbefore it works.. |
| 02:06.41 | Amine | Wyzard same thing no changes |
| 02:06.46 | pixolet | dscener, try kino |
| 02:06.51 | _Sam-- | how can i make it autodetect settings like knoppix does, and just load xdm on its own |
| 02:06.58 | zOap | svirfneblin, ok, then go to prism54.org and search for your card, if it isn't there take a look at ndis |
| 02:07.00 | svirfneblin | don't have source for prism54 or ndiswrapper |
| 02:07.02 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Why do you have to reconfigure X? Different hardware in each system? |
| 02:07.05 | svirfneblin | oh ok |
| 02:07.06 | svirfneblin | thanks |
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| 02:07.08 | Wyzard | Amine: hmm |
| 02:07.13 | _Sam-- | wyz; yes, different hardware for different client needs |
| 02:07.53 | zOap | svirfneblin, you'll find the info on the respective sites |
| 02:07.58 | Wyzard | _Sam--: You could use "Xorg -configure" to autodetect and generate a new configuration, maybe from a startup script or something... that's not really a robust solution, but it'd work |
| 02:08.08 | Wyzard | _Sam--: If you want to know about how Knoppix does it, ask in #knoppix, I guess |
| 02:08.08 | Amine | so |
| 02:08.27 | _Sam-- | i thought maybe they just used a standard debian package to do it |
| 02:08.51 | Wyzard | Amine: Run "ldd /usr/bin/eggdrop" (substitute the actual path and filename of your eggdrop daemon... I have no idea what it's really called) |
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| 02:08.59 | _Sam-- | discovery doesnt anything like i am asking? |
| 02:09.10 | _Sam-- | er discover i mean |
| 02:09.14 | Wyzard | _Sam--: discover loads kernel modules... doesn't configure X |
| 02:09.28 | Amine | ok |
| 02:09.33 | Wyzard | _Sam--: Ask over there... I have no idea what software they use for it |
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| 02:09.45 | Wyzard | Amine: Look for a line that mentions "libc.so.6", and paste that line |
| 02:09.47 | phyrster | I have a question about locale. |
| 02:09.57 | zOap | shoot |
| 02:10.06 | Amine | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40158000) |
| 02:10.19 | phyrster | which locale setting controls the top bar character of firefox? |
| 02:10.19 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 02:10.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:10.33 | Wyzard | Amine: OK, it isn't using the NPTL version of the library for some reason |
| 02:10.38 | Wyzard | Amine: What type of processor do you have? |
| 02:10.44 | kingsley | How dangerous is it to keep using an LCD monitor which has been dropped and damaged, such that some pixels constantly display wrong colors? |
| 02:10.54 | Amine | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | kingsley: when the pixels start shooting at you .. stop :) |
| 02:11.08 | hatake_kakashi | lol |
| 02:11.10 | Guerin | kingsley: not very. LCDs are non-volatile. |
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| 02:11.27 | Guerin | a crt with a hairline crack might be a different story |
| 02:11.27 | zOap | or shoot back. feel free to use a 12-7 |
| 02:11.32 | jetscreamer | there are language packs for firefox, phyrster ... don't know if that's what you want though. |
| 02:11.34 | _Sam-- | Wyzard: i do not use Xorg (i think i have xfree , does that make sense?) then there would be now way to do it? |
| 02:11.42 | Wyzard | Amine: Something to try, btw... from a prompt, run "/lib/libc.so.6" and look at the output -- under "available extensions", you'll see a line that mentions linuxthreads |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | X -version |
| 02:11.47 | Guerin | phyrster: firefox has its own internal locale handling |
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| 02:12.03 | Wyzard | _Sam--: I'm not sure whether XFree86 has the "-configure" option |
| 02:12.07 | phyrster | I just want firefox's top bar (don't know how to put it in english) to show chinese characters, and make the system use en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:12.15 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it does Wyzard |
| 02:12.15 | phyrster | which locale setting shall I change ? |
| 02:12.19 | phyrster | LC_MESSAGES="zh_CN.UTF-8" |
| 02:12.24 | Guerin | phyrster: because it's in the unique position of needing to support multiple arbitrary character sets |
| 02:12.27 | phyrster | does not work. |
| 02:12.36 | Guerin | oh, I see, you want the gui widgets to respect a locale |
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| 02:13.09 | zenwryly | I need to setup a runlevel or init script that will change certain file or configuration scripts at boot. Should I use dpkg-divert and update-alternatives to do this? |
| 02:13.09 | Amine | Wyzard check linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy |
| 02:13.10 | phyrster | Guerin: just the setting which controls the character sets of the top bar |
| 02:13.33 | phyrster | I don't want the whole system to use zh_CN.UTF-8. |
| 02:13.35 | zenwryly | or is there a better way |
| 02:13.37 | Wyzard | Amine: Now run /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 02:13.43 | hfly | debian is not recognizing my linksys lne100tx network card, what driver should I use ? |
| 02:13.58 | Wyzard | Amine: and notice that it now says "Native POSIX Threads Library" (that's NPTL) instead of "linuxthreads" |
| 02:14.02 | misnix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.16 | Froo | Does anyone know how to manually change the sensible-browser setting? |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | update-alternative s? |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | erm .. make that one word :) |
| 02:14.48 | Froo | Thanks, but I meant without using update-altervatives. |
| 02:14.53 | Amine | GNU libio by Per Bothner |
| 02:14.54 | Wyzard | Amine: The problem is that the libc in /lib/tls/i686/cmov (that's the one that libc6-i686 installed) isn't being used for some reason... ldd should've shown you that one, not /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:14.54 | Amine | crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others |
| 02:14.54 | Amine | NPTL 0.60 by Ulrich Drepper |
| 02:14.54 | Amine | BIND-8.2.3-T5B |
| 02:14.54 | Amine | NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk |
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| 02:14.55 | abrotman | you mean using ln ? |
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| 02:15.04 | Amine | sorry |
| 02:15.07 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:15.16 | Wyzard | Amine: The problem is that the libc in /lib/tls/i686/cmov (that's the one that libc6-i686 installed) isn't being used for some reason... ldd should've shown you that one, not /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 02:15.20 | Froo | Anyway beside update-alternatives. |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | Froo: with ln -s ? |
| 02:15.34 | Wyzard | Amine: Run "ldconfig" as root and then try ldd on eggdrop again... see if that makes a difference |
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| 02:15.51 | bbrazil | Froo: set BROWSER |
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| 02:15.57 | absence | is there supposed to be a clearlooks metacity theme somewhere in debian? or is it on its way? |
| 02:15.57 | IdahoEv | I am trying to set up exim4. Outgoing mail works, but incoming does not. Testing via "telnet <myserver> 25" results in a connection denied. Where should I look next? Thx.. |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | firewall ? |
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| 02:16.20 | Guerin | IdahoEv: connection refused? |
| 02:16.34 | IdahoEv | Guerin: yes |
| 02:16.35 | Guerin | IdahoEv: means there's not a daemon listening on that port of that machine |
| 02:16.36 | bbrazil | Froo: sensibel-browser isn't in the alternatives system, its a shell script |
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| 02:16.57 | Wyzard | absence: It's in unstable as part of GNOME 2.12, where it's the default theme, but in sarge, I don't think the Metacity theme is packaged |
| 02:17.00 | Amine | Wyzard sorry |
| 02:17.05 | Amine | but cant see a difference |
| 02:17.07 | Wyzard | absence: Just download it from the web and put it in your ~/.themes |
| 02:17.20 | IdahoEv | Guerin: I'd assumed exim4 included a daemon when it was installed |
| 02:17.23 | Froo | bbrazil: Do you know how to edit it? Oh, you mean I can just locate sensible-browser and emacs it? |
| 02:17.30 | Amine | i got same things |
| 02:17.30 | absence | Wyzard, i have unstable, but i can only find the gtk theme |
| 02:17.46 | quitte | what was that kernel parameter to disable acpi= |
| 02:18.03 | Wyzard | Amine: OK... well, your goal is to get the libc in /lib/tls/i686/cmov to be the one that's used, but I don't know how to do that if it doesn't happen automatically... it's always "just worked" for me |
| 02:18.07 | Guerin | IdahoEv: it does, but it's all about how you configure it. |
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| 02:18.48 | Wyzard | Can anyone help Amine with the rest of this problem... libc6-i686 is installed, but ldd still says /lib/libc.so.6 is being used, not the optimized one in /lib/tls/i686/cmov |
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| 02:19.07 | IdahoEv | guerin: i didn't notice any daemon-related options when I ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. did i just miss it, or am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 02:19.09 | bbrazil | Froo: you could do that, but I'd say just set the BROWSER variable |
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| 02:19.28 | Amine | ldconfig dont give anything |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | Froo: is this gnome ? |
| 02:19.35 | Froo | bbrazil: How exactly do you set the BROWSER variable? |
| 02:19.40 | bbrazil | Froo: any changes you make to that file will be lost at the next upgrade |
| 02:19.40 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info metacity-themes etch |
| 02:19.46 | Froo | I use xfce. |
| 02:19.46 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 02:20.08 | Amine | Wyzard so i have de remove the package who install /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:20.12 | bbrazil | Froo: I only know the answers for bash/tcsh/xsession |
| 02:20.21 | Wyzard | absence: gnome-themes 2.12.1-2 (current version in unstable) has it, in /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1 |
| 02:20.26 | jetscreamer | it's in etch and sarge |
| 02:20.27 | Guerin | IdahoEv: to run the daemon, the option you want is 'internet site' |
| 02:20.50 | Wyzard | Amine: No, it's normal for both to exist |
| 02:20.57 | Amine | ok |
| 02:21.02 | Froo | Okay - How do you set the browser variable for bash? |
| 02:21.16 | bbrazil | Froo: BROWSER=blah |
| 02:21.21 | jetscreamer | is that like alternatives ? oh nm |
| 02:21.22 | Wyzard | Amine: The package which provides /lib/libc.so.6 is "libc6", which is an essential package... don't remove that unless you want to break your system :-) |
| 02:21.29 | Froo | bbrazil: Just like that? |
| 02:21.31 | IdahoEv | guerin: okay, thanks ... I misread that, then. thought it was just for transport through without local delivery. will try again, appreciate the help. |
| 02:21.36 | bbrazil | Froo: or more pernamently: echo 'export BROSWER=blah' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 02:21.42 | Wyzard | Amine: but the libc6-i686 one should be used automatically when available... I don't know why it isn't |
| 02:21.51 | Amine | ok |
| 02:21.53 | Wyzard | Amine: Try ldd on some other program, like /bin/ls |
| 02:22.13 | Amine | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40036000) |
| 02:22.16 | Amine | samething |
| 02:22.53 | Wyzard | Amine: OK, just checking... I don't have eggdrop installed so I was running ldd on /bin/ls, and it does use the i686 one on my system |
| 02:23.30 | Amine | ok |
| 02:24.16 | Wyzard | Amine: One more thing to try, just a small step... "grep cmov /etc/ld.so.cache" and it should say "binary file matches" |
| 02:24.39 | Amine | grep cmov /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 02:24.39 | Amine | Binary file /etc/ld.so.cache matches |
| 02:25.40 | Woosta | I've just installed dovecot from apt .. it came up with a pile of configuration errors that quickly went off my screen .. I've manually configured it, but it still doesn't seem to work .. does apt log errors anywhere? |
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| 02:25.57 | Guerin | Woosta: /var/log/mail.* |
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| 02:26.19 | thingfish | there's just something wrong with those #ubuntu people |
| 02:26.23 | absence | Wyzard, ah so that's the package. thanks :) also, there used to be three different color schemes to choose from in clearlooks, any idea what happened to the two others? |
| 02:26.29 | Woosta | Nah, not looking for dovecot's errors .. these were from apt .. saying it couldn't configure A until B was configured |
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| 02:26.49 | Wyzard | Amine: One more thing I notice is that on my system, /etc/ld.so.hwcappkgs contains two lines, one which mentions libc6 and one which mentions libc6-i686 |
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| 02:26.51 | kspath | thingfish: pod people? |
| 02:27.03 | thingfish | kspath: I'm not sure. But something. |
| 02:27.10 | Wyzard | absence: I've always just used the default blue |
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| 02:27.36 | Wyzard | absence: I think they might've been removed though, at the same time the color of the blue one was adjusted slightly, when the theme was made the default for GNOME 2.12 |
| 02:27.53 | IdahoEv | guerin: Once set to "internet site", I still get "connection refused" on telnet <server> 25. But, mail from one user to another on the server started working. |
| 02:27.58 | Amine | Wyzard |
| 02:28.07 | Amine | it give me new file |
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| 02:28.49 | Wyzard | Amine: /etc/ld.so.hwcappkgs doesn't exist on your system? |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | IdahoEv: using netstat .. what IPs is 25 listening on ? |
| 02:28.52 | absence | Wyzard, too bad, i prefered the green one :/ oh well |
| 02:29.31 | Amine | no |
| 02:29.35 | Wyzard | Amine: That could be a problem, or it could just that the file wasn't added until later versions of the libc packages (I'm running unstable) |
| 02:29.38 | Woosta | Ahh .. found and fixed |
| 02:29.56 | Amine | what package install it ? |
| 02:30.21 | Wyzard | Amine: Nothing extra should be needed |
| 02:30.32 | Amine | then ? |
| 02:30.36 | Woosta | Mmmmmmm .. OK, so dovecot is installed and running .. but my machine isn't answering on port 143 |
| 02:31.04 | Wyzard | Amine: You could try creating it manually -- the two lines in mine are "libc6 2.3.5-12" and "libc6-i686 2.3.5-12", and you'd substitute in the version number of your libc6 and libc6-i686 packages -- but I don't know whether it'll make any difference |
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| 02:31.24 | Woosta | NM .. it's weirder than that .. I can get web externally, but not via localhost .. |
| 02:31.39 | Woosta | same with dovecot |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | !tell rimmer91 about root |
| 02:32.02 | Wyzard | Amine: I don't know what normally causes the linker to use the packages from tls/i686/cmov in the first place, since there don't seem to be any configuration files which mention that directory, so I'm not sure how to troubleshoot why it isn't happening in your case |
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| 02:32.22 | moreno | hola |
| 02:32.34 | Guerin | moreno: hello |
| 02:32.37 | seraph1 | moreno, hi |
| 02:32.46 | Guerin | moreno: caqn you speak english? |
| 02:32.56 | moreno | yes |
| 02:32.56 | Amine | i created the file |
| 02:33.08 | IdahoEv | guerin: sorry, took me a sec to figure out the right netstat options. looks like it's listening to 127.0.0.1 ... so that's probably the option. i'll try reconfiguring it again |
| 02:33.10 | moreno | little |
| 02:33.14 | Amine | i restarted the eggdrop but still have same thing |
| 02:33.24 | Woosta | I'm guessing my loopback isn't up :) |
| 02:33.28 | IdahoEv | guerin: i meant "probably the *problem*" |
| 02:33.33 | Woosta | Yup |
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| 02:33.37 | Guerin | IdahoEv: likely |
| 02:34.02 | moreno | how to create initrd ? |
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| 02:34.27 | karsten | moreno: man mkinitrd |
| 02:34.46 | moreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.49 | Wyzard | Amine: Search the web or look for someone who knows more about the Linux dynamic linker than I do, I guess |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | !kubuntu |
| 02:35.18 | dpkg | somebody said kubuntu was ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu |
| 02:35.21 | hans0lo | Anyone know of a program I can use to map keyboard keys to joystick buttons? |
| 02:35.37 | Amine | ok thx |
| 02:35.42 | Amine | i got a small prob |
| 02:35.46 | Amine | when i rebooted my serv |
| 02:35.50 | Amine | proftpd wont start |
| 02:35.54 | Amine | it give me that |
| 02:35.56 | jetscreamer | next time use make-kpkg --initrd |
| 02:35.58 | hfly | how do I know what network cards are supported and what modules I have to use ? |
| 02:36.00 | Amine | Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - getaddrinfo 'debian' error: Name or service not known |
| 02:36.11 | jetscreamer | hfly: http://scyld.com/network.html |
| 02:36.13 | moreno | too i did |
| 02:36.39 | jbroome | Amine: is your hostname correct in /etc/hosts? |
| 02:36.48 | IdahoEv | guerin: Works! Telnet connected, mail succesfully received from the outside. Muchas gracias. |
| 02:37.06 | Amine | solved |
| 02:37.12 | Amine | but still the prob of the threads |
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| 02:37.38 | jetscreamer | get a dragon |
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| 02:39.27 | moreno | but i ejecuted mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.4.20 2.4.20 = kernel panic |
| 02:39.45 | multi_io | all of a sudden, "make-kpkg buildpackage" simply ends immediately without building anything. =>??? |
| 02:39.47 | jetscreamer | got an initrd statement in the bootloader? |
| 02:39.58 | multi_io | how can this be? |
| 02:39.58 | moreno | com o me conecto a debian es |
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| 02:40.04 | jetscreamer | 'proper' statement |
| 02:40.12 | Amine | thx Wyzard |
| 02:40.17 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-es |
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| 02:41.16 | moreno | what do y mean statement |
| 02:41.27 | multi_io | it just says "making target CONFIG-common [new prereqs: testdir]" and "making target CONFIG-common [new prereqs: stamp-conf]", and ends. |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | moreno: va a #debian-es .. /join #debian-es |
| 02:41.31 | jetscreamer | /path/to/initrd/ |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:41.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:42.04 | jetscreamer | multi_io: do make-kpkg --targets and chose the kernel_image one and see if that builds |
| 02:42.12 | jetscreamer | you may not have the proper stuff to build the docs |
| 02:42.16 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:42.20 | jetscreamer | but i had that once |
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| 02:43.13 | moreno | ok tank bye |
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| 02:44.06 | multi_io | jetscreamer: thanks, that works |
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| 02:47.59 | SimonRaven | ffs |
| 02:49.31 | moreno | here in debian-es nobody know how make initrd correctly |
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| 02:50.18 | SimonRaven | and why do you need an initrd exactly? |
| 02:50.50 | thegoldenaura | hi. i have been using lm_sensors with 2.4kernel . Any suggestion for the same kind of utility but for kernel 2.6? (or is it possible to use lm_sensors on kernel2.6 perfectly) |
| 02:51.09 | SimonRaven | same thing |
| 02:51.21 | moreno | becase my boot with kernel2.4.20 = kernel panic |
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| 02:51.33 | ootput | moreno: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/293 |
| 02:51.35 | Froo | It's hard to face the problem if the problem is your face. |
| 02:51.46 | SperMite | how do i check in see if i have any broken packages? |
| 02:51.47 | ootput | moreno: kernel panic may be related to something else altogether |
| 02:51.55 | ootput | apt-get check |
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| 02:52.36 | jetscreamer | lmsensors works w/2.6 |
| 02:52.44 | jetscreamer | least for me and my hw |
| 02:52.51 | SimonRaven | moreno: that's not a good reason, and what ootput said |
| 02:52.58 | thegoldenaura | thanks jetscreamer |
| 02:53.05 | jetscreamer | moreno: just compile the stuff you need into the kernel |
| 02:53.11 | jetscreamer | Y not M |
| 02:53.20 | jetscreamer | do it again |
| 02:53.22 | ootput | Froo: :) |
| 02:53.54 | Froo | ootput: smile |
| 02:54.10 | jetscreamer | btw grub or lilo |
| 02:54.15 | moreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.24 | Froo | ootput: Do you know how to use update-alternatives? |
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| 02:54.39 | jetscreamer | yes i'm sure it does... which usually means you didn't compile in support for your ide or whatever |
| 02:55.05 | jetscreamer | so if you made a good initrd you need to tell the bootloader where it is |
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| 02:55.46 | moreno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:55.56 | jetscreamer | and lilo vs grub is different syntax so that's what i meant by proper |
| 02:56.00 | ootput | Froo: not a clue |
| 02:56.11 | quitte | is it possible to use amanda even if the disk it uses is smaller than the amount of data to be backed up? |
| 02:56.12 | Froo | ootput: Me either. Damnit. |
| 02:56.20 | jetscreamer | moreno: and why are you using that old source? |
| 02:56.26 | moreno | i have grub how the configure |
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| 02:56.28 | Ep|phany | hey i just installed debian from the net install but i forgot how to make apt connect to a mirror so i can install flux |
| 02:56.33 | jetscreamer | isn't there a more updated 2.4? |
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| 02:56.50 | quitte | Ep|phany: apt-setup |
| 02:57.01 | jetscreamer | moreno: info grub, less /boot/grub/menu.lst and there should be an example |
| 02:57.11 | Ep|phany | okay because when i was trying to do it on my first boot it kept failing to connect to any mirror i selected |
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| 02:57.45 | quitte | Ep|phany: maybe your networking setup is broken? |
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| 02:58.01 | Ep|phany | umm i checked it was working fine |
| 02:58.02 | moreno | titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.20 |
| 02:58.04 | moreno | root(hd0,2) |
| 02:58.04 | moreno | kernel/boot/bzimage-2.4.20 root=/dev/hda3 ro ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off nomce quiet dma knoppix lang=es knoppix 2 knoppix bootfrom=/dev/hda1/knoppix.iso knoppix desktop=fluxbox vga=791 |
| 02:58.04 | moreno | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.4.20 |
| 02:58.04 | moreno | savedefault |
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| 02:58.09 | Ep|phany | im gonna try again though |
| 02:58.15 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
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| 02:58.17 | jetscreamer | Ep|phany: me i used the beta installer and /etc/network/interfaces had some wierd hotplug stuff instead of auto eth0 ... i just changed it and it works |
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| 02:58.42 | Ep|phany | k my laptops booting up right now |
| 02:58.46 | Ep|phany | so it might be a while lol |
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| 02:59.46 | SerajewelKS | man, ssh port forwarding is damn useful |
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| 03:00.04 | xoz_ | Guerin: is it snowing there? |
| 03:00.06 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it can make geography irrelevant |
| 03:00.25 | Guerin | xoz_: no way. Hasn't since befpore christmas. It's sunny and relatively warm. |
| 03:00.27 | Dydier | Hi Friends! |
| 03:00.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: than and keep me from opening holes in my firewall |
| 03:00.32 | Ep|phany | umm when i go apt-setup it says command not found |
| 03:00.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and of course encrypt the data |
| 03:00.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeah. |
| 03:00.43 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: s/than/that/ |
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| 03:00.48 | Guerin | !installit |
| 03:00.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:00.58 | Guerin | Ep|phany: aptitude install apt-setup |
| 03:01.02 | Froo | Hi, good people. I'm running Debian, obviously... Anyway - I installed the newest Firefox into /opt/firefox - Well, I really just uncompressed and moved the files to that directory. I have been running the program by typing /opt/firefox/firefox. Obviously, this sucks and anything that calls sensible-browser can't run firefox. So, I am trying to figure out update-alternatives. I am typing 'sudo update-alternatives --set www-browser firefox' because I created a |
| 03:01.02 | Froo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.12 | Ep|phany | k |
| 03:01.19 | xoz_ | Guerin: really... we just have the first heavy snow here and i dont wanna get out to get food... i'll eat my own flesh. |
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| 03:01.37 | lin_n00b | hey guys, after i configure a program and then try to MAKE it i get both error 1 and error 2 no matter what program i try to install, it also says something about GTK... can anyone help?? thanks :) |
| 03:01.38 | Guerin | Froo: x-www-browser |
| 03:01.43 | Guerin | Froo: or create your own |
| 03:01.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:02.04 | Guerin | xoz_: we got a masssive dumping about a week before christmas, then nothing |
| 03:02.12 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: what app |
| 03:02.22 | Fnyar | I'm having problems with syslog logging iptables stuff correctly. Could I get some help with the problem? Detailed here: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/755007637731 |
| 03:02.24 | Froo | Guerin: I don't know what that means... |
| 03:02.29 | Ep|phany | and for a really old laptop (266mhz 32mb ram p2) what window manager should i get flux? |
| 03:02.34 | Guerin | Froo: the alternative is called x-www-browser |
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| 03:02.41 | jetscreamer | Froo: man update-alternatives |
| 03:02.48 | xoz_ | Guerin: ill just stay in #debian then :) |
| 03:02.49 | Guerin | Ep|phany: if you can do without x, do so. |
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| 03:03.08 | Froo | I've been all over the man pages, thank you... |
| 03:03.08 | Guerin | Ep|phany: else *box should be usable, barely. |
| 03:03.09 | xoz_ | lin_n00b: paste it and tell us the link |
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| 03:03.15 | Ep|phany | k |
| 03:03.20 | Froo | No alternatives for x-www-browser. |
| 03:03.22 | Guerin | Ep|phany: the cpu is plenty fast enough - it's the ram you want more of |
| 03:03.25 | Ep|phany | im still having trouble connecting to a mirror |
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| 03:03.34 | abrotman | which mirror ? |
| 03:03.36 | Guerin | cpu MHz : 60.868 |
| 03:03.41 | lin_n00b | SerajewelKS, NMAP scanner... but i get the same for RPM as well |
| 03:03.48 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: apt-get install nmap |
| 03:03.50 | Guerin | no problems at that speed, but I have 256MB ram |
| 03:04.08 | Ep|phany | if i upgrade my ram do you think i could play divx or is that out of the question? |
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| 03:04.20 | moreno | hi |
| 03:04.22 | Guerin | Ep|phany: sure, 266 will play video |
| 03:04.23 | SerajewelKS | Ep|phany: the video card says more about that |
| 03:04.34 | Guerin | Ep|phany: if you have an xv-capable video card |
| 03:04.38 | Ep|phany | really? |
| 03:04.38 | jetscreamer | wouldn't you rather spend the money on something more powerful? |
| 03:04.45 | moreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.47 | Ep|phany | the guys in linux told me no |
| 03:04.54 | Guerin | Ep|phany: they're stupid |
| 03:05.03 | jetscreamer | hey, i'm in ##linux |
| 03:05.04 | lin_n00b | does using apt-get mean that the program is already loaded or...? |
| 03:05.05 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:05.09 | Ep|phany | but Guerin im still having difficulty connecting to any mirrors |
| 03:05.12 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you're stupid, by definition :) |
| 03:05.22 | SerajewelKS | Ep|phany: the CPU is fast enough to decode.. the question is whether or not the card can update the display fast enough |
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| 03:05.24 | Guerin | Ep|phany: what branch of debian? |
| 03:05.31 | jetscreamer | lin_n00b: apt-get is for installing and/or removing... and other stuff |
| 03:05.45 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: you might want to look at a debian tutorial soon, or you're going to fuck your install over |
| 03:05.46 | Ep|phany | umm its the netinstall i believe |
| 03:05.49 | xoz_ | lin_n00b: apt-get install progs... some scripts after installation load daemons. |
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| 03:05.57 | Ep|phany | and it keeps saing Failed to accsess the Debian Archive |
| 03:06.01 | Guerin | you won't be able to play x264 or any other advanced format, but divx and xvid and mpeg should be fine |
| 03:06.09 | lin_n00b | thanks alot guys |
| 03:06.12 | lin_n00b | :) |
| 03:06.17 | relic | SerajewelKS, sure |
| 03:06.25 | Ep|phany | excellent |
| 03:06.29 | SerajewelKS | relic: what? |
| 03:06.29 | Ep|phany | i can pick some ram up later then |
| 03:06.36 | Ep|phany | but first i must fix this problem |
| 03:06.39 | jaredj | anyone running gnome 2.12? could you open the keyboard settings, look in layout options, and tell me what you see? |
| 03:06.55 | SerajewelKS | jaredj: how about you describe your problem and we'll try to fix it |
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| 03:07.04 | lin_n00b | serajewelKS: what after get-apt? anything? |
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| 03:07.17 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: did it install nmap? |
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| 03:07.36 | lin_n00b | serajewelKS: well it looked like it did but there is no directory |
| 03:07.38 | moreno | jetscreamer how is my menu.lst whats mal |
| 03:07.52 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: type 'nmap --version' |
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| 03:08.52 | lin_n00b | SerajewelKS: no such file or directory |
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| 03:09.05 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: pastebin the output of 'apt-get install nmap' |
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| 03:09.23 | lin_n00b | rajewelKS: how exactly do i do that :S |
| 03:09.29 | SerajewelKS | !pastebin |
| 03:09.29 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 03:10.00 | jaredj | SerajewelKS: k. in gnome 2.10, there were a bunch of options, like 'switch caps lock for ctrl,' and i've got 2.12 and they've gone. buuut i messed with my xkb config so i don't know if that's why. most haven't dorked with xkb, so if someone else only has 'Miscellaneous compatibility options', then I have a problem. |
| 03:10.11 | opnsrc | if I type in apt-get install kde it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies. kde: Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed..." and "E: Broken packages" |
| 03:10.22 | Aghaster | where is the config file containing the current keyboard layout located? |
| 03:10.28 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: you're using etch or sid |
| 03:10.30 | jaredj | opnsrc: tried apt-get install kde-amusements? |
| 03:10.33 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: apt-get install kdebase |
| 03:10.44 | SerajewelKS | jaredj: that will fail too |
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| 03:10.59 | jaredj | quite. but it's more descriptive |
| 03:11.01 | lin_n00b | serajewelKS: now it says i am using the newest version |
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| 03:11.06 | opnsrc | last time I did that and it didn't work properly |
| 03:11.08 | opnsrc | Let me try it again |
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| 03:11.21 | xoz_ | opnsrc: apt-get update first |
| 03:11.23 | opnsrc | "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 03:11.25 | opnsrc | I did that |
| 03:11.28 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: and 'nmap --version' says what? paste it, don't type a paraphrase. |
| 03:11.32 | opnsrc | let me try it again then |
| 03:11.38 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: stop |
| 03:11.45 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: apt-get install kdebase |
| 03:12.12 | opnsrc | the error code 1 came from after I typed apt-get install kdebase |
| 03:12.14 | lin_n00b | serajewelKS: Nmap version 3.95 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) |
| 03:12.28 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: pastebin the output |
| 03:12.34 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: there you go |
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| 03:12.42 | xoz_ | opnsrc: sid / etch ? |
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| 03:12.52 | lin_n00b | serajewelKS: now how do i run? |
| 03:12.58 | opnsrc | let me see |
| 03:13.00 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: you type nmap |
| 03:13.21 | lin_n00b | Serajewelks: got it, wow i'm a noob to linux... thanks alot for the helpp |
| 03:13.42 | opnsrc | I don't know |
| 03:13.51 | SerajewelKS | lin_n00b: np. btw apt-get is mainly a debian thing.. don't expect it to be there on other distros |
| 03:13.58 | xoz_ | opnsrc: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:14.34 | xoz_ | /etc/debian_version |
| 03:14.51 | opnsrc | (btw, I disabled some stuff from startup and I don't know if that has anything to do with it) |
| 03:14.53 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: how long has it been since your last 'apt-get update'? |
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| 03:15.05 | opnsrc | like the last time you told me to |
| 03:15.16 | Fnyar | Question: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/755007637731 |
| 03:15.17 | abrotman | which was ? |
| 03:15.25 | drasko | Hi all. how to set up debian for cable dhcp. What to add to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:15.30 | lin_n00b | serajewelks: thanks |
| 03:15.34 | opnsrc | /etc/debian_version = version 3.1 |
| 03:15.47 | opnsrc | a minute ago |
| 03:16.05 | abrotman | Fnyar: might get more help in #iptables |
| 03:16.19 | moreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.23 | Fnyar | member:abrotman: Ok, I may try there |
| 03:16.25 | SerajewelKS | drasko: just make sure it's set for dhcp |
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| 03:16.38 | abrotman | why the hell would anyone use 2.4.20 ? |
| 03:16.47 | ootput | because they're forced to |
| 03:16.50 | jaredj | drasko: iface ethX inet dhcp and auto ethX |
| 03:16.57 | fhffhqvb | !2.4.20 |
| 03:16.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2.4.20 is http://www.kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=515 or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=171167, or see 2.4.19 (ide reset problem), or seems to break usb in many cases too, or use 2.4.18 instead. doesn't compile with input core as modules, press 'Y'. the main problem right now is that Debian's iptables isn't up-to-date, or ask me about "ptrace", or "2.4bug" |
| 03:17.11 | opnsrc | fnyar (don't know if this helps) everything from 255.255.255.255 (I think) should be routed to 127.0.0.1 (I think) |
| 03:17.15 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: and ? |
| 03:17.21 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: it's broken |
| 03:17.37 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: but no version of debian currently uses it |
| 03:17.45 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: woody? |
| 03:18.02 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: nope |
| 03:18.06 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | woody uses 2.4.18 |
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| 03:18.18 | Fnyar | Ugh, I love channels that don't have any active people in them (#iptables) :) |
| 03:18.20 | moreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.27 | fhffhqvb | woody r-somethinghigherthan1? |
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| 03:18.35 | ootput | Fnyar: they're all actively playing chinese whispers |
| 03:18.43 | ootput | so you don't really hear the conversation in public |
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| 03:19.02 | moreno | and how create the initrd ? |
| 03:19.14 | ootput | moreno: did you check out that link? |
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| 03:19.47 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: it might have been a prerelease sarge ? |
| 03:20.27 | moreno | cual kernel can user |
| 03:20.37 | moreno | cual kernel can use |
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| 03:20.45 | fhffhqvb | 2.4.18 - 2.4.24 = brokez0r |
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| 03:20.52 | opnsrc | ok I opened synaptic and it said I have 3 broken packages. I went to reinstall and it did some stuff in the terminal and now says "Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in the terminal buffer to see what went wrong." (It has a bunch of stuff before it). |
| 03:21.00 | opnsrc | Also, is there a site for notes (to post notes)? |
| 03:21.04 | moreno | and how create the initrd ? |
| 03:21.19 | jaredj | opnsrc: do you mean pastebin perhaps? |
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| 03:21.35 | opnsrc | sure |
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| 03:22.09 | Heart_2 | what chmod do you have for /var/lib/php4/ ? |
| 03:22.09 | moreno | i think mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.4.20 2.4.20 |
| 03:22.26 | Heart_2 | i get permission denied if i let it 755 :( |
| 03:23.41 | moreno | ??? |
| 03:23.54 | opnsrc | K I found pastebin (topic) |
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| 03:24.27 | jaredj | ah yes i knew i'd seen it a minute or two ago somewhere :) |
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| 03:25.36 | jaredj | could someone with gnome 2.12 send me a screenshot of the layout options in the keyboard prefs? |
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| 03:29.02 | Fnyar | Question: Is there a reason why klogd wouldn't be logging to /var/log/kern.log, even though I have "kern.* -/var/log/kern.log" in /etc/syslog.conf? |
| 03:29.43 | moreno | byyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :((((((((8 |
| 03:29.53 | ootput | heh |
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| 03:30.21 | jaredj | whoa, what's that ((((((((((8 thingy |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | it's a frown |
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| 03:30.47 | jaredj | ... jumping on a trampoline? |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 03:31.07 | abrotman | maybe playing burger time |
| 03:31.40 | jaredj | i don't know what that game is but i think i get the idea from you saying that. :) |
| 03:32.06 | xoz_ | with scrambled eggs |
| 03:32.29 | jaredj | being dropped from a building |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | on a burger? |
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| 03:34.06 | Fnyar | Question: Is there a reason why klogd wouldn't be logging to /var/log/kern.log, even though I have "kern.* -/var/log/kern.log" in /etc/syslog.conf? |
| 03:35.07 | jaredj | it'd be nice if you had a /var/log/klogd.log |
| 03:35.29 | Fnyar | is that a problem that I don't? |
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| 03:35.53 | staniel_laptop | hello |
| 03:36.05 | staniel_laptop | could someone point me a good howto on the prism2_usb module and how to get that working? |
| 03:36.06 | jaredj | Jan 20 21:35:45 localhost writing log message to /var/log/kern.log: "* oops 2347df732 ..." |
| 03:36.27 | jaredj | fnyar no i was just attempting humor |
| 03:36.50 | Fnyar | lol, well...I didn't (and don't) get it =p |
| 03:37.16 | deadcat | staniel_laptop: ya. use linux-wlan-ng |
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| 03:37.23 | deadcat | !compile wlan-ng |
| 03:37.24 | dpkg | compile wlan-ng is probably reply "1) apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-`uname -r` 2) cd /lib/modules/`uname -r` ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build 3) download linux-wlan-ng-xxx.tar.gz, untar it, cd to it, make config, make all, make install, update-modules" |
| 03:37.33 | jaredj | it would be quite excessive to have a log about the log... meh not very funny i'm afraid |
| 03:37.36 | staniel_laptop | deadcat: thank |
| 03:38.01 | jaredj | Fnyar: oo - where is that line in the syslogd.conf? |
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| 03:38.22 | deadcat | staniel_laptop: feel free to use this: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/prism2-wifi |
| 03:38.26 | Fnyar | jaredj:what line? |
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| 03:39.13 | jaredj | Fnyar: the order of the lines in syslogd.conf might matter, i can't remember. |
| 03:39.23 | Woosta | ANyone know if there's a postfix package already built with sasl? |
| 03:39.39 | deadcat | Woosta: you having problem with sbc too? |
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| 03:39.43 | darkcmd | hi |
| 03:39.46 | Woosta | sbc? |
| 03:39.55 | deadcat | nevermind |
| 03:39.59 | Woosta | heh |
| 03:40.04 | deadcat | fucking sbc (= |
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| 03:40.17 | Fnyar | jaredj: I'm not sure, but I don't think the file is ordered... |
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| 03:41.40 | thegoldenaura | hi, sorry the stupid question, but were can i config the monitor resolution for mode3? |
| 03:41.43 | jaredj | Fnyar: oo - does /var/log/kern.log exist? |
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| 03:42.00 | ejofee | is there any player for gnu-linux which allows for some typical desktop player features (found in many apps written for bill gates), like: (1) horizontal & vertical resizing & positioning; (2) subtitle size & positioning, delay &// rate (before i get any answer i must mention that mplayer, totem, and kaffeine don't seem to support any of these.) |
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| 03:42.28 | Fnyar | jaredj: Yes, it appears to have been last modified 2005-11-12 |
| 03:42.57 | xoz_ | ejofee: buy a mac then. |
| 03:42.58 | Fnyar | jaredj: according to `stat kern.log` |
| 03:43.22 | darkcmd | how good is debian sparc on par with 386 sparc |
| 03:43.25 | darkcmd | i mean debian |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 03:43.40 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 03:43.44 | ejofee | xoz_: bill gates also supports them. i think i'll then buy a bill. |
| 03:43.55 | jair_11 | guys I am using a Thinkpad R51 and I would loike to know if in debian exist a " battery monitor" for kde or something similar? |
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| 03:44.09 | darkcmd | sparc is now my main machine |
| 03:44.13 | darkcmd | :) |
| 03:44.14 | dusk | :( |
| 03:44.19 | deadcat | ? |
| 03:44.20 | jetscreamer | yes jair_11 |
| 03:44.24 | darkcmd | my x86 machine died :( |
| 03:44.35 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, it is a package for the stable 3.1? |
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| 03:44.59 | jetscreamer | jair_11: probably... i just know kde has one. |
| 03:45.42 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, but do you know the name of it? |
| 03:45.52 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I will check in apt-cache |
| 03:45.58 | jetscreamer | probably named kbatt or something obvious like that |
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| 03:46.36 | staniel_laptop | deadcat: where can I download the linux-wlan-ng? |
| 03:46.46 | deadcat | staniel_laptop: online |
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| 03:47.15 | deadcat | staniel_laptop: debian has the source too. just not as up to date |
| 03:47.36 | deadcat | ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/ |
| 03:47.38 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, klaptopdaemon - KDE battery monitoring and management for laptops |
| 03:48.09 | staniel_laptop | deadcat: thanks |
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| 03:48.37 | virgin | halo! |
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| 03:49.03 | jair_11 | staniel_laptop, that is exactly for what? beside looks like to set up the wireless on your computer? |
| 03:49.04 | g3wn | I need help with a error msg when X starts up. I need to know how to scroll up in the console that outputed the error msg so I can see what the begining said. |
| 03:49.08 | jetscreamer | might need lmsensors or somelthing |
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| 03:49.23 | jetscreamer | shift+pageup |
| 03:49.26 | jetscreamer | or pagedn |
| 03:49.46 | g3wn | jetscreamer: hmm k thats what I was told.. but it doesn't work. Prolly cause I'm on a laptop |
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| 03:49.58 | Prudhvi | I need IIIMF-gnome-IM-Switcher for Debian etch. Where can i find it? |
| 03:50.05 | jetscreamer | i have noticed that the buffer is a lot smaller nowadays imo |
| 03:50.14 | paxl_ | can somone help me, how can I mount a .bin without having the .cue ? |
| 03:50.22 | g3wn | thank you |
| 03:50.23 | jetscreamer | Prudhvi: apt-cache search something , man apt-cache |
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| 03:51.09 | pawdro | how to check which version of wine my cedega uses? |
| 03:51.17 | deadcat | pawdro: if its a video file. you can just use mplayer |
| 03:51.19 | abrotman | is cedega in debian ? |
| 03:51.22 | TriKster-Abacus- | no |
| 03:51.26 | TriKster-Abacus- | join #cedega |
| 03:51.29 | TriKster-Abacus- | and I might help you |
| 03:51.30 | darkcmd | ---> #cedenga |
| 03:51.33 | darkcmd | #cedega |
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| 03:51.44 | deadcat | i have cedega and i wont help you |
| 03:51.45 | staniel_laptop | deadcat: umm I got a problem.. |
| 03:51.52 | staniel_laptop | can't make all it |
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| 03:52.17 | deadcat | staniel_laptop: check the gcc version, make sure its same as the kernel |
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| 03:53.05 | deadcat | staniel_laptop: what you really want is a zd1211 chipset usb wireless b/g (= easy compile and works MUCH better than that shit ass linux-wlan-ng shit |
| 03:53.21 | andax | how can I record audio from a movie that is being played by mplayer/xine? cat /dev/dsp creates an empty file ...? |
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| 03:54.05 | deadcat | record a movie being played by mplayer? why? you HAVE the copy already |
| 03:54.10 | deadcat | unless you streaming |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | mplayer plays streams too |
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| 03:54.22 | abrotman | andax: ask #mplayer |
| 03:54.44 | deadcat | andax: just buy the dvd.. less trouble |
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| 03:55.01 | jeanseb | hello, I would like to install a video player on debian 3.1 and kde. Any recommendation? |
| 03:55.04 | andax | i bought the dvd :) |
| 03:55.16 | deadcat | jeanseb: install kde, and install xine-ui |
| 03:55.22 | deadcat | andax: then stop bitching |
| 03:55.42 | abrotman | kspath: that was a little odd |
| 03:55.46 | chealer_ | jeanseb: #debian-kde |
| 03:55.47 | abrotman | you're lucky i noticed |
| 03:56.07 | andax | ok more generally, how to record what is being played on the soundcard |
| 03:56.09 | jeanseb | deadcat: let me try |
| 03:56.27 | deadcat | andax: you want to convert your dvd so you can p2p share right? |
| 03:56.31 | andax | no |
| 03:56.33 | deadcat | just ask that way |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | kspath: not really .. if i weren't looking . i'd never notice |
| 03:56.51 | andax | basically i want to put the sound card output to a file |
| 03:57.03 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ... |
| 03:57.05 | kspath | abrotman: notice what? |
| 03:57.09 | deadcat | andax: try mencoder |
| 03:57.12 | liable | abrotman: are you talking to yourself? |
| 03:57.24 | kspath | hehehe |
| 03:57.25 | deadcat | liable: his imaginary irc buddy |
| 03:57.29 | liable | heh |
| 03:57.41 | abrotman | kspath: the notices go in the current channel |
| 03:57.42 | deadcat | fucking "chat club" |
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| 03:57.52 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
| 03:57.55 | Zachary | where can I find the document that shows how to burn under 2.6 |
| 03:58.06 | andax | deadcat: is mencoder capable of redirecting the sound card output to a file? |
| 03:58.15 | deadcat | andax: i dont know. |
| 03:58.15 | jeanseb | deadcat: thanks it worked |
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| 03:58.20 | liable | Zachary: with cdrecord? |
| 03:58.20 | markybob | Zachary: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/333 |
| 03:58.43 | Zachary | yes |
| 03:59.05 | liable | just use -dev=/dev/hd? |
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| 03:59.39 | andax | okay so there is no general solution to redirect the sound card (sound card = alsa with oss emulation) output to a file under debian sarge? |
| 04:00.01 | jeanseb | deadcat: how do I get wmc codec for xine? |
| 04:00.43 | abrotman | andax: sure |
| 04:00.45 | deadcat | jeanseb: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 04:00.46 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 04:00.52 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 04:01.02 | andax | wow thanks |
| 04:01.08 | abrotman | andax: i know weird stuff! |
| 04:01.39 | andax | record what's being played = weird? |
| 04:01.42 | deadcat | jeanseb: while you're at it. apt-cache search mplayer and install that too. its another nice media player |
| 04:01.51 | andax | i dont' think so |
| 04:01.52 | abrotman | andax: it's a package that's rarely used :) |
| 04:01.53 | jeanseb | deadcat: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main this is where I get... which package? |
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| 04:02.03 | andax | :) |
| 04:02.18 | deadcat | jeanseb: the codec stuff and mplayer |
| 04:02.19 | muhoo | are there any pdf viewers that can do reverse video? |
| 04:02.21 | jeanseb | deadcat: thanks for mplayer |
| 04:02.27 | muhoo | for the *content*, not for the surrounding gui |
| 04:02.49 | deadcat | jeanseb: w32codecs mplayer-586 |
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| 04:02.59 | jeanseb | deadcat: thanks!! |
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| 04:03.14 | andax | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.22 | andax | that's what i needed thanks |
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| 04:03.48 | abrotman | !kubuntu |
| 04:03.48 | dpkg | methinks kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu |
| 04:03.49 | muhoo | alas xpdf will only reverse colours for its own widgets, not for the underlying GS |
| 04:04.27 | shingouz | abrotman: :p |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | still in bangkok ? |
| 04:04.40 | shingouz | yup :) |
| 04:04.54 | shingouz | still here and loving it.... :$ |
| 04:05.00 | abrotman | gonna stay ? |
| 04:05.11 | jeanseb | deadcat: while I'm here: any idea where I could get eclipse and CDT for debian? |
| 04:05.23 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 04:05.28 | muhoo | oh wait! yay xpdf |
| 04:05.29 | shingouz | abrotman: umm... tempting.... not this time, i must get back to .fi and work for a while. very tempting though |
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| 04:05.34 | jeanseb | 3.1 |
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| 04:05.43 | abrotman | jeanseb: apt-get.org .. maybe |
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| 04:06.04 | jeanseb | abrotman: already tried... nothing too good |
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| 04:06.21 | abrotman | jeanseb: i just installed java .. and ran eclipse from $HOME |
| 04:06.30 | jeanseb | oh really? |
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| 04:06.41 | jeanseb | which server? |
| 04:06.42 | jaredj | muhoo ? |
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| 04:07.58 | Guerin | jeanseb: all debian servers should have the same packages |
| 04:08.32 | jeanseb | abrotman: which packahe did you invoke? |
| 04:08.38 | mlots | error("inputTransfer's configuration was already set!",false); |
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| 04:08.44 | mlots | sorry |
| 04:09.09 | mlots | I'm looking for the meta key in xterm under icewm to control irssi |
| 04:09.11 | abrotman | jeanseb: for what? |
| 04:09.15 | abrotman | !tell jeanseb about install java |
| 04:09.28 | jaredj | mlots: you can type Esc, then the key you want |
| 04:09.36 | jaredj | mlots: e.g. Esc, 1 to go to the first window |
| 04:09.47 | mlots | jaredj: thanks |
| 04:09.57 | jaredj | normally it's alt, but i guess icewm takes alt+1? |
| 04:10.10 | mlots | Alt+1 becomes: ± |
| 04:10.14 | jaredj | whoa |
| 04:10.20 | jaredj | er - try the other alt! |
| 04:10.22 | jaredj | er |
| 04:10.24 | jaredj | s/!/? |
| 04:10.29 | mlots | Same thing |
| 04:10.32 | jaredj | whoa |
| 04:11.00 | mlots | I'm using icewm-lite 'r something right now so I guess it doesn't steal the alt |
| 04:11.03 | jaredj | one of them is usually AltGr or whatnot, and the other is usually Meta. like my right alt is .. uh it's meta. |
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| 04:11.24 | jeanseb | abrotman: for running eclipse: what is the package you installed? |
| 04:11.24 | jaredj | *shrug* i'm dealing with some keyboard issues at present :/ |
| 04:11.32 | liable | mlots: try ctrl p/n |
| 04:11.52 | mlots | liable: nice. That also works well for me. |
| 04:11.54 | jaredj | ah cool |
| 04:12.06 | mlots | This is a lot better than the old irssi-gtk. |
| 04:12.24 | abrotman | jeanseb: i told you .. i installed java .. and then grabbed stuff from eclipse.org |
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| 04:13.02 | jeanseb | abrotman: did you install eclipse using apt-get install? |
| 04:13.10 | mlots | thanks for the tips. |
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| 04:13.12 | abrotman | jeanseb: no |
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| 04:15.03 | Ep|phany | hi im using debian in text mode |
| 04:15.11 | Ep|phany | just wondering what a good ftp server would be to dl |
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| 04:15.17 | pawdro | has anyone compiled from cvd the latest cedega? |
| 04:15.23 | pawdro | cvs |
| 04:15.41 | abrotman | pawdro: #cedega .. cedega is NOT In debian |
| 04:15.49 | abrotman | Ep|phany: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 04:15.51 | Unity | Ep|phany: wu-ftpd |
| 04:15.55 | abrotman | ew |
| 04:16.06 | pawdro | abrotman: sorry, i thought someone can help me |
| 04:16.27 | Unity | Ep|phany: and the last of the big four would be pure-ftpd |
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| 04:16.44 | Ep|phany | whats the easiest to setup |
| 04:17.16 | Ep|phany | im installing proftpd right now hopefully its not too hard to setup |
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| 04:17.24 | kspath_ | someone does appear to be in channel now |
| 04:17.31 | Unity | Ep|phany: proftpd comes with madrivalinux. which is the linux for noobs |
| 04:17.45 | abrotman | pawdro: YES . in #cedega .. go to #cedega .. /join #cedega |
| 04:17.55 | Unity | Ep|phany: so maybe prodftd, but i'm not sure |
| 04:17.58 | jeanseb | abrotman: do you have a tutorial on how to install eclipse? |
| 04:18.14 | Ep|phany | hmm i cant figure out what it set the default user name and password too |
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| 04:18.14 | kspath_ | pawdro: I will bet the nick someone will be there |
| 04:18.19 | abrotman | Unity: it's also easy and has reasonable defaults . and is reasonably secure(as far as FTP goes) . unlike wu-ftpd |
| 04:18.40 | edison | Help i want to reconfigure an package, witch command do that ? |
| 04:18.54 | Zachary | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:18.55 | Unity | abrotman: unsecure?! i use wu-ftpd =( |
| 04:18.56 | abrotman | Ep|phany: default username password for what ? |
| 04:19.02 | Ep|phany | proftpd |
| 04:19.08 | jaredj | Ep|phany: it probably uses usernames and passwords from your passwd file? |
| 04:19.14 | jaredj | except for anonymous |
| 04:19.19 | abrotman | Unity: yeah .. i know .. i wouldn't touch wu-ftpd with a ten foot pole |
| 04:19.25 | abrotman | Ep|phany: yes .. but for what user ? |
| 04:19.29 | Ep|phany | any |
| 04:19.47 | abrotman | Ep|phany: it is the same username/password that you use for normal login |
| 04:20.00 | edison | Zachary i tryed it but it don't ask me question of configuration |
| 04:20.07 | Ep|phany | hmm im trying to connect but in windows its just like frozen |
| 04:20.11 | Zachary | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 04:20.17 | abrotman | Ep|phany: frozen how ? |
| 04:20.19 | Zachary | set the messages to a higher level |
| 04:20.38 | Ep|phany | im using flashfxp in windows to accsess the ftp and its stuck at user |
| 04:20.46 | Unity | probably a timeout |
| 04:20.48 | abrotman | did you type in a user ? |
| 04:20.56 | Ep|phany | does passive mode need to be turned on when connecting |
| 04:20.57 | abrotman | it's probably an RDNS issue |
| 04:20.57 | Ep|phany | yes i did |
| 04:21.07 | abrotman | and it doesn't ask a password ? |
| 04:21.14 | Ep|phany | oh i got in |
| 04:21.18 | Unity | go to your linux box and try to access localhost |
| 04:21.32 | abrotman | that has nothing to do with it most likely |
| 04:21.46 | abrotman | it's trying to log his hosts name .. but can't find anything .. so it times out on DNS lookup |
| 04:21.49 | Ep|phany | i cant transfer anything though |
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| 04:22.14 | abrotman | is there an error ? |
| 04:22.14 | Ep|phany | permission denied |
| 04:22.23 | kspath_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.33 | abrotman | Ep|phany: what are you trying to download ? |
| 04:22.44 | Ep|phany | oh im just trying to transfer files threw my network |
| 04:22.53 | Ep|phany | like a few mp3s |
| 04:22.54 | abrotman | through |
| 04:23.07 | edison | Zachary: it don't ask me question of config ? |
| 04:23.21 | abrotman | Ep|phany: do you have permission to write where you're trying to put them? .. does the user have permission to read them ? |
| 04:23.33 | liable | edison: what are you trying to configure? |
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| 04:23.41 | Ep|phany | no im trying to put them from my windows desktop to my laptop |
| 04:23.46 | edison | liable: pcmcia-cs |
| 04:23.53 | abrotman | Ep|phany: what user did you use ? |
| 04:23.56 | Ep|phany | and im running proftpd to have a ftp server on my laptop |
| 04:24.03 | Ep|phany | the only username and pass i have for my system |
| 04:24.13 | Ep|phany | i only set up one user |
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| 04:24.47 | edison | liable: when i installed it for the first time it was asked me an question and i ignored it but now i want to reanswer to that question |
| 04:25.04 | syl-2 | good evening, i know it's late, but i'd appreciate if anyone can remind me how to chroot a user in it's home directory; he doesn't need anything more |
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| 04:25.16 | abrotman | chroot what? |
| 04:25.20 | syl-2 | chroot, or lock, i don't even know chat im talking about |
| 04:25.30 | syl-2 | chat =what |
| 04:25.50 | abrotman | ftp/ssh/what? |
| 04:25.56 | syl-2 | i read everywhere that such a restriction was done with chroot but well i haven't fould much documentation |
| 04:26.10 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 04:26.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 04:26.14 | syl-2 | abrotman: the local usage |
| 04:26.23 | syl-2 | bash login i guess |
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| 04:27.18 | mlots | How can I take some english text and split it into different files according to paragraphs or something? |
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| 04:27.46 | liable | edison: what was the question? i dont recall even installing it and having it ask a question.. |
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| 04:28.14 | Unity | mlots: man split |
| 04:28.24 | jaredj | syl-2: to put a user in his/her own root you have to set up all the files necessary to a unix system in the user's home dir |
| 04:28.48 | jaredj | syl-2: then maybe you could put chroot as the user's shell or something |
| 04:29.11 | mlots | Unity: thanks for the tip, but I can do the same thing with dd, or a loop using head. I want to parse. |
| 04:29.29 | abrotman | xargs might help |
| 04:29.57 | edison | liable: if i want to probe for my chipset of pcmcia, when i run /etc/init.d/pcmcia start i get msg can't locate module i32365 |
| 04:30.10 | edison | i82365 |
| 04:30.16 | syl-2 | jaredj: this is the only way to lock a user in his directory ? |
| 04:30.25 | edison | I want the driver for it |
| 04:30.43 | syl-2 | it's like building a whole new system :( |
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| 04:30.49 | jaredj | quite so. |
| 04:31.04 | jaredj | that's what you have to do to make absolutely sure that user can't get to anything outside the home. |
| 04:31.07 | Prudhvi | I need a GUI Frontend for Bind. Any suggestions? |
| 04:31.17 | jaredj | now - if you just want to make sure the user can't mess anything up - |
| 04:31.26 | Prudhvi | Bind Server GUI Fronend |
| 04:31.29 | jaredj | make sure nothing outside the user's home is writable by the user. |
| 04:31.33 | ne0futur | hi all |
| 04:31.36 | abrotman | Prudhvi: vi |
| 04:31.38 | ne0futur | I need a neofutur@kiron:~/install$ apt-cache search xmlrpclib.py |
| 04:31.42 | ne0futur | oups |
| 04:31.45 | ne0futur | xmlrpclib.py |
| 04:31.52 | abrotman | ne0futur: apt-file search |
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| 04:31.59 | liable | edison: is the driver in standard kernels? |
| 04:32.00 | ne0futur | and apt-cache search gives me nothing ;( |
| 04:32.11 | ne0futur | abrotman: apt-file ok |
| 04:32.16 | Prudhvi | abrotman, vi is good but some lamers here, need GUI tools to set it up :-/ |
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| 04:32.27 | abrotman | Prudhvi: teach them vi |
| 04:33.10 | jaredj | :) |
| 04:33.10 | Prudhvi | abrotman, Well... |
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| 04:33.10 | jaredj | yah seriously the bind folks did us all a favor when they introduced config files... |
| 04:33.15 | jaredj | they could have made us change the source and recompile |
| 04:33.19 | syl-2 | jaredj: is this a common way of doing thins? i mean, am i the only guy out there who's stuck in wishing to keep users absolutely isolated in their respective directories ? |
| 04:33.25 | syl-2 | *things |
| 04:33.30 | abrotman | Prudhvi: think about it .. if they can't figure out a text editor .. they shouldn't be messing with zone files |
| 04:33.37 | pureone | hehe |
| 04:33.38 | Ep|phany | in chmod how can i give a user the same accsess as root |
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| 04:33.46 | Prudhvi | abrotman, heh! Exactly. |
| 04:33.53 | jaredj | you aren't the only one - |
| 04:34.00 | abrotman | Prudhvi: so .. you don't need a GUI tool |
| 04:34.16 | Unity | Ep|phany: chmod ugo+rwx * |
| 04:34.17 | jaredj | syl-2: you can debootstrap pretty easily to get a system installed in a chroot |
| 04:34.19 | edison | liable yes |
| 04:34.20 | ne0futur | I need to try this anti DRM/DADVSI 15 lines of code bullet ;) |
| 04:34.20 | Prudhvi | abrotman, i dont need one.Better i set bind for them. |
| 04:34.25 | Woosta | Anyone know sasl? testsaslauthd works for the u/p, but when using a telnet connection to test it via postfix, the logs get lots of messages: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 04:34.28 | Unity | Ep|phany: if that's what you are asking... |
| 04:34.31 | jaredj | it takes lots of space but it's not such a nightmare as copying files individually |
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| 04:34.56 | Woosta | Every ref on google also has a missing filename in the log .. but not me :-/ |
| 04:34.57 | liable | edison: i dunno, paste the dmesg output. |
| 04:35.11 | Ep|phany | whats teh * for? |
| 04:35.19 | abrotman | globbing |
| 04:35.28 | Ep|phany | n/m |
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| 04:35.44 | tyorke | ciao |
| 04:35.49 | tyorke | hi |
| 04:36.11 | Unity | Ep|phany: it is generally not recommended to give everyone permissions for a file that defaults to being root-only |
| 04:36.24 | Unity | Ep|phany: they were hidden from the users for a reason |
| 04:36.32 | jaredj | ne0futur |
| 04:36.40 | jaredj | mine is part of my python package i think |
| 04:36.46 | ne0futur | Woosta: No such file or directory is probably the reason, somewhere should be missing . . . |
| 04:36.57 | jaredj | jaredj@tunesmith:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.3/xmlrpclib.py |
| 04:36.57 | jaredj | python2.3: /usr/lib/python2.3/xmlrpclib.py |
| 04:37.03 | ne0futur | jaredj: yes it's what a python friend told me |
| 04:37.13 | ne0futur | should be in default python package |
| 04:37.17 | jaredj | python -V? |
| 04:37.20 | Ep|phany | how come alsaconf doesnt work to configure an audio device |
| 04:37.27 | tyorke | I have a problem, I need libqt3c102-mt but I don't find it... (sorry for my english) |
| 04:37.54 | ne0futur | but |
| 04:37.55 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.55 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.55 | ne0futur | IOError: unsupported XML-RPC protocol |
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| 04:38.34 | jaredj | grarp |
| 04:38.42 | abrotman | Ep|phany: what version of debian are you running ? |
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| 04:40.19 | Ep|phany | umm i downloaded the minimal netinstall i think |
| 04:40.30 | abrotman | Ep|phany: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 04:40.39 | ne0futur | were I kicked ? |
| 04:40.49 | liable | yes |
| 04:40.55 | ne0futur | flood ? |
| 04:41.00 | Ep|phany | yea you did it too fast |
| 04:41.02 | liable | yes |
| 04:41.05 | Ep|phany | use pastebin instead |
| 04:41.11 | ne0futur | ok not even 3 lines . . . |
| 04:41.19 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:41.20 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 04:41.20 | ne0futur | sorry for this "flood" |
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| 04:41.45 | opnsrc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 04:42.01 | jaredj | ne0futur: yes so - you in fact have an xmlrpclib.py - because that's where the error happened |
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| 04:42.45 | ne0futur | ok I have python2.3 and python 2.4 |
| 04:42.46 | abrotman | either too old .. or whatever python program you're running is broken |
| 04:42.47 | jaredj | ne0futur: you can get away with 2 lines but apparently not 3 :) |
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| 04:43.01 | abrotman | it's 4 |
| 04:43.01 | ne0futur | i'll try to install 2.4 |
| 04:43.05 | opnsrc | Oops, wrong nick |
| 04:43.08 | opnsrc | I mean link. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1596 |
| 04:43.14 | ne0futur | jaredj: ok thanks ;) |
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| 04:43.37 | jaredj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.37 | jaredj | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.49 | jaredj | what's the url it's trying to open? |
| 04:43.54 | Ep|phany | for some reason my soundcard in my laptop isnt reading with alsaconf |
| 04:43.57 | Ep|phany | is there anything else i can do |
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| 04:44.10 | abrotman | could be ISA |
| 04:45.00 | dave1 | hey guys i have a quick question. i'm new to debian but i was wondering whats the newest 2.4 kernel out for debian. i ran apt-get and it only showed 2.4.27-2 |
| 04:45.03 | shingouz | Ep|phany: try with isapnptools and dpnpdump |
| 04:45.14 | secher | Hrm... just upgraded, and now my e16 menus are all pixellated and the frames are monotone grey... Odd. |
| 04:45.20 | shingouz | Ep|phany: pnpdump even |
| 04:45.31 | abrotman | dave1: for sarge .. that's it . it has security patches backported |
| 04:45.36 | Ep|phany | how do i run pnp dum[ |
| 04:45.46 | abrotman | lspci first .. do you see a sound card ? |
| 04:45.56 | Ep|phany | no |
| 04:46.04 | shingouz | Ep|phany: first install isapnptools then man pnpdump |
| 04:46.09 | dave1 | abrotman: thanks i thought it was the latest but then i saw aug 2004 and i thought maybe there was something newer |
| 04:46.27 | abrotman | dave1: you have the security lines for sarge right ? |
| 04:46.55 | ne0futur | same problem with python2.4 |
| 04:46.56 | dave1 | abrotman: like i said, new to debian, might need a bit of help w/ that |
| 04:47.00 | TechNeck | Xen isn't available in stable? |
| 04:47.02 | shingouz | Ep|phany: of course using pnpdump means the laptop you have is in the P1 or P2 category, most newer laptops are pci only |
| 04:47.06 | abrotman | dave1: you got X working ? |
| 04:47.09 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.10 | ne0futur | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.12 | opnsrc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1597 (this is neater) |
| 04:47.19 | ne0futur | hey Ă© lines paste work ;) |
| 04:47.20 | dave1 | abrotman: it's a headless box , vps |
| 04:47.25 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 04:47.39 | abrotman | dave1: if you look in /etc/apt/sources.list .. do you see a security.debian.org line ? |
| 04:47.41 | Ep|phany | i installed isapnptools but when i go man pnp it says theres no manual entry |
| 04:47.44 | Ep|phany | and this is a p2 laptop |
| 04:47.50 | jaredj | ne0futur: if it's not http://something or https://something, it won't work |
| 04:47.59 | shingouz | Ep|phany: i said "man pnpdump" |
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| 04:48.07 | ne0futur | jaredj: oh yes |
| 04:48.10 | ne0futur | url |
| 04:48.17 | ne0futur | could be this sure |
| 04:48.18 | Ep|phany | ah thnx |
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| 04:48.36 | nekostar | eh |
| 04:48.41 | nekostar | well tried arch linux |
| 04:48.42 | jaredj | eh |
| 04:48.50 | Ep|phany | is there away to scan to see if my audio device is a isa? |
| 04:48.51 | nekostar | got it working in about 3 hrs or so |
| 04:48.56 | nekostar | and meh is all i got to say |
| 04:49.00 | nekostar | !_! |
| 04:49.00 | dpkg | methinks _ is ALT-255 |
| 04:49.01 | ne0futur | yes this error disappear with an url |
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| 04:49.06 | shadows | Ep|phany: not that i know of |
| 04:49.07 | dave1 | abrotman: yes the line is present |
| 04:49.12 | nekostar | feels goot to be back in my debian install heh |
| 04:49.17 | ne0futur | I have another one but no more unsupported message |
| 04:49.18 | shadows | Ep|phany: ISA audio devices are such a pain, I wouldn't bother myself. |
| 04:49.25 | abrotman | dave1: ok .. apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade .. it will do your security updates |
| 04:49.29 | jaredj | Ep|phany: do you have it in your hand? |
| 04:49.35 | rvalles | Is there any way to set aptitude up to install the -dev packages for each thing I install which does have one? |
| 04:49.36 | shingouz | Ep|phany: care to tell us what laptop you have? |
| 04:49.37 | abrotman | dave1: also .. security.debian.org has a mailing list that might interest you |
| 04:49.39 | jaredj | ne0futur: ah cool |
| 04:49.47 | Ep|phany | toshiba sattelite 4010CDT |
| 04:49.52 | dave1 | abrotman: thanks for the help |
| 04:49.58 | abrotman | np |
| 04:50.03 | jaredj | Ep|phany: ah :( |
| 04:50.30 | jaredj | Ep|phany: well you can take it apart and look for the sound chip; i did that once :) |
| 04:51.07 | nekostar | abrotman, -u ? |
| 04:51.16 | shadows | /sbin/modprobe snd-opl3sa snd_port=0x538 snd_wss_port=0x530 \ |
| 04:51.16 | shadows | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.16 | nekostar | o.o i really need to read that man page heh |
| 04:51.17 | shadows | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.18 | abrotman | nekostar: man apt-get :) |
| 04:51.20 | shadows | something like that |
| 04:51.21 | shingouz | Ep|phany: i know it wants to use AC97 but i have no idea what the actual chip is. the ac97 is only a codec and needs the hardware drivers too |
| 04:51.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:51.21 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 04:51.22 | nekostar | ;) |
| 04:51.43 | shadows | psshaw, it's 3 lines. relax on your bangisms |
| 04:51.43 | Ep|phany | hmmm |
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| 04:51.45 | shadows | :) |
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| 04:52.24 | Ep|phany | with dmesg |
| 04:52.25 | dave1 | abrotman: it's updating as we speak and thanks for the info on the security mail list. |
| 04:52.28 | Unity | and if everyone pasted three lines? |
| 04:52.30 | Ep|phany | thers no isapnp found |
| 04:52.31 | shingouz | Ep|phany: sometimes the modules need the irq, io and port settings configured manually. once you find them and get them properly in the system,,the sound will work |
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| 04:53.13 | Ep|phany | and im guessing its a very hard process? |
| 04:53.16 | abrotman | dave1: it's a pretty good list to be on :) |
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| 04:53.48 | dave1 | abrotman: yea i see that, lots of good info on here thanks again |
| 04:54.18 | shadows | Ep|phany: the question is, can you find a system with PCI to mess around with ALSA sound on ? |
| 04:54.28 | Gom | is it possible to install debian with daemontools? |
| 04:55.01 | Ep|phany | umm im just trying to make this laptop a mp3 player |
| 04:55.16 | shadows | hm |
| 04:55.19 | liable | Gom: for emulating a drive? |
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| 04:55.29 | shadows | the question isn't can you make it work, that answer is yes of course you can make it work |
| 04:55.31 | liable | Gom: what do you want to do? |
| 04:55.40 | shadows | it's just a matter of how much work and effort you want to go through in getting there |
| 04:55.58 | hatake_kakashi | Gom: if you are trying to install linux through windows.. good luck :P |
| 04:56.47 | Gom | pretty much through windows... its that or a 64 meg USB key which i dont know if thats big enough |
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| 04:57.07 | Unity | Gom: you usually need the debian install cd to be acceddible during boot |
| 04:57.18 | Unity | accessible* |
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| 04:57.39 | shingouz | Ep|phany: screwing with the irq etc is not hard or difficult, the hard part is in finding the correct values |
| 04:57.54 | Gom | thats what i figured before, but i've installed windows through daemon tools, somehow |
| 04:58.01 | Tortel | ... |
| 04:58.04 | Tortel | how? |
| 04:58.05 | Tortel | ?? |
| 04:58.07 | Tortel | ?! |
| 04:58.08 | Tortel | !? |
| 04:58.09 | shingouz | i have just been told i must eat. i shall obey :p |
| 04:58.10 | Gom | not too hard |
| 04:58.28 | hatake_kakashi | Gom: through vmware, probably |
| 04:58.28 | Gom | even vista :), vista is the reason im going back to debian |
| 04:58.28 | Tortel | well, of you had windows before |
| 04:58.28 | Unity | Tortel: installing to a different partition than the system partition |
| 04:58.30 | hatake_kakashi | :p |
| 04:58.57 | Tortel | good point |
| 04:58.58 | Unity | please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks! |
| 04:59.05 | Ep|phany | shingouz so to find the right values i use pnpdump? |
| 04:59.37 | Gom | well, i know i've seen where you can with a usb stick but is 64 big enough? |
| 04:59.40 | Tortel | install to the partition not in use, then resize that later |
| 05:00.04 | Tortel | possibly net install... |
| 05:00.05 | xoz | Gom: linux can run in 2 floppy disk |
| 05:00.16 | Lord_Athur | boot & root |
| 05:00.17 | Lord_Athur | :P |
| 05:00.25 | Gom | hmmm |
| 05:00.33 | Gom | thats pretty impressive |
| 05:00.41 | Lord_Athur | how could i make a livecd of debian? |
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| 05:00.44 | Gom | no dvds or anything? |
| 05:00.53 | Unity | Gom: linux can be installed on a dead squirrel |
| 05:01.14 | Tortel | lol |
| 05:01.26 | Lord_Athur | hey |
| 05:01.31 | Lord_Athur | how could i make a livecd of debian sarge? |
| 05:01.42 | xoz | !repeat |
| 05:01.42 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:01.48 | Lord_Athur | only of the debian server |
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| 05:02.05 | dondelelcaro | Lord_Athur: it's generally not worth the bother; Just install Debian. |
| 05:02.12 | ejofee | why does mplayer handle fonts so awkwardly? how do i find fonts on my... hdd? where? what format? what extension? |
| 05:02.26 | Ep|phany | hey i found out what soundcard i have |
| 05:02.26 | ejofee | gmplayer, rather |
| 05:02.26 | Ep|phany | Yamaha OPL3-SA3 |
| 05:02.37 | Tortel | yay? |
| 05:02.40 | Lord_Athur | xoz, if you see it carefully i did not repeat, i changed from "debian" to "debian sarge" ( this can make the difference) |
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| 05:02.57 | Tortel | 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller |
| 05:03.01 | Tortel | oops |
| 05:03.03 | Tortel | wrong one |
| 05:03.13 | Lord_Athur | ok dondelelcaro |
| 05:03.40 | Tortel | the SiS is my mobo sound card, I use a Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 |
| 05:04.05 | cusco | does anyone here has squirrelmail configured? |
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| 05:04.29 | Tortel | http://69.250.79.13/phpsysinfo/ <=-Full system stats |
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| 05:05.32 | Ep|phany | how can i install alsamodules |
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| 05:06.21 | Woosta | My machine is not only not an open relay .. it's so secure it doesn't even accept mail for my own friggin domain! |
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| 05:06.47 | Lord_Athur | how can i know who is using my system |
| 05:07.08 | Woosta | who |
| 05:07.10 | opnsrc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1598 |
| 05:07.43 | Unity | Lord_Athur: type `who` in a shell |
| 05:08.00 | Froo | Where's the debian newbie channel? |
| 05:08.03 | Lord_Athur | ok Unity |
| 05:08.11 | Lord_Athur | i know it now :P |
| 05:08.18 | Unity | Lord_Athur: or if you want to know who is using its servers, ftpwho and smbstatus for example |
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| 05:08.46 | mlots | So I've got flex as a parser, but how do I write a program for it? |
| 05:08.46 | Unity | Froo: try #debian |
| 05:09.01 | mlots | 'r compile one |
| 05:09.02 | mlots | ? |
| 05:09.07 | Froo | Unity: Aren't we there now? |
| 05:09.23 | Ep|phany | hey to install alsa is all i need to do apt-get install alsa? or do i need to get seprate modules and drivers |
| 05:09.25 | Tortel | !duh |
| 05:09.26 | dpkg | i heard duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge, or <reply> no shit sherlock |
| 05:09.29 | Lord_Athur | thanks Unity |
| 05:09.39 | Unity | Froo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html <-- here is a good start |
| 05:09.50 | mlots | I write a parser.l then flex parser.l then gcc -lfl lex.yy.c -o parser |
| 05:09.51 | Gom | netboot? is that possible? |
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| 05:10.18 | mlots | I still end up with undefined references |
| 05:10.22 | comrade | Anyone mind helping me install Debian via HDD install? I'm trying to set up a partition using the tool provided by the debian ISO, but I can't get it to work correctly. I've tried to google it, but I haven't found anything yet =/ |
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| 05:11.25 | Gom | whats not working correctly? if you can't figure it out you could always use the automatic partitioner |
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| 05:11.43 | comrade | The problem is, the partitioning tool doesn't seem to want to make a new partition on the drive |
| 05:11.50 | Gom | :/ |
| 05:12.00 | Gom | oh it wants to, it wants to more than you will ever know |
| 05:12.20 | Gom | does it give an error or loud beep? |
| 05:12.38 | Ep|phany | how can install oss? |
| 05:12.40 | comrade | my problem with the automatic partitioner is that it tends to try to erase my primary partition -- the partition that grub and the ISO is located |
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| 05:12.57 | Gom | that is a problem |
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| 05:13.16 | Gom | do you have 1 partition on your entire harddrive? |
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| 05:13.31 | Gom | err, is your harddrive full of needed partitions |
| 05:13.33 | comrade | one moment, and I'll give you the details of my hard drive |
| 05:13.44 | Aghaster | http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Compiling_Code::Blocks_in_Linux_%28applies_to_all_distros%29 |
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| 05:13.55 | Aghaster | i got a problem with a part of this tutorial |
| 05:14.16 | Aghaster | at one place it says to add something to PATH using export PATH=/usr/bin:/opt/wx/2.6/bin:$PATH |
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| 05:14.33 | Aghaster | well, it doesnt work. i tried doing it manually, doesnt either. i must do something wrong |
| 05:14.44 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: that tutorial is not for Debian, despite what it says. |
| 05:14.44 | Aghaster | the file where it is stored it located at /etc/profile |
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| 05:15.02 | comrade | cfdisk is showing me that I have hda1 set as boot, primary type, ext 2. I have a Linux Swap (logical) on hda5, and then I have 13gb of free space |
| 05:15.10 | cusco | comrade: can't you make the partitions somhow else? like a livecd there fore not using the HD and partition it with some fdisk? |
| 05:15.25 | Aghaster | well, how different is it from other distros? do you know how this part is done on debian then? |
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| 05:16.00 | Aghaster | I've been working at it for hours, please |
| 05:16.07 | Gom | comrade, then dont use the automatic partitioner, its not that smart, just make a new ext3 partition in your 13gb space |
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| 05:16.10 | Aghaster | trying to compile code::blocks |
| 05:16.17 | cusco | Aghaster: what tutorial would that be? |
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| 05:16.29 | Aghaster | http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Compiling_Code::Blocks_in_Linux_%28applies_to_all_distros%29 |
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| 05:16.39 | Aghaster | here's the tutorial showing how to compile code::blocks |
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| 05:16.45 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: you go apt-get install libwxgtk2.6-dev; then build Code::Blocks |
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| 05:16.47 | comrade | Gom, I've tried that with the partition tool that comes with the debian installer, it errors out. |
| 05:17.01 | cusco | sory but I am not going to take a look into it Aghaster good luck |
| 05:17.11 | comrade | I can't be more specific than that, unfortunately. |
| 05:17.13 | quetzl | I've loaded mandriva into my puter, on a partition. I've got adsl/cable, but firefox won't connect. Sorry, I know this is a debian channel, but there's nobody in mandriva |
| 05:17.17 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: the whole first part of that tutorial is totally worthless unless it doesn't build at all with 2.6.0 |
| 05:17.26 | quetzl | can anyone help? |
| 05:17.30 | cusco | comrade: what would be the error? |
| 05:17.34 | Aghaster | E: Couldn't find package libwxgtk2.6-dev |
| 05:17.42 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: are you running unstable? |
| 05:17.45 | comrade | I'm not sure. I suppose I can try the installer real fast |
| 05:17.47 | Aghaster | stable |
| 05:17.48 | Aghaster | amd64 |
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| 05:18.00 | cusco | comrade: probably because you were using the partition ... you must boot yourself from anywere else to partition your hd |
| 05:18.12 | dondelelcaro | Aghaster: get a backport of that package to stable then |
| 05:18.16 | comrade | hmm. |
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| 05:18.25 | cusco | I might sound not understandable at this time of the nght |
| 05:18.27 | roler | applications such as XMMS and Audacity have really, super super small fonts on the menus. I can't even read them. Where do I adjust this font size at ? All my menus from all other apps are normal size |
| 05:18.35 | Aghaster | the one available in stable is 2.4.2 |
| 05:18.37 | Aghaster | which is too old |
| 05:18.41 | Aghaster | i need 2.6.2 |
| 05:18.51 | shadows | roler: sounds like a stupid bug in Xorg or something |
| 05:19.00 | shadows | roler: make sure helvetica is installed and operational |
| 05:19.15 | comrade | Anyone know off hand how to make damn small live cd NOT use my hard drive's swap space? If not, I'll just ask in the dsl channel |
| 05:19.22 | Aghaster | i compiled 2.6.2, np. but i only miss to sucessfully add /opt/wx/2.6/bin to the path |
| 05:19.25 | Aghaster | as said in the tutorial |
| 05:19.46 | Aghaster | because config doesnt work because this setting isnt set properly |
| 05:20.34 | Gom | /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 05:20.48 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 05:20.49 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 05:20.51 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: would you mind updating /topic regarding saens and kde3.4? |
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| 05:20.58 | roler | shadows, is it supposed to be in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype ? |
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| 05:21.50 | Flimzy | What's the easiest way to reinstall GRUB so I can boot Linux after a Windows 2000 installation zapped it? |
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| 05:21.56 | Flimzy | zapped grub that is, not linux |
| 05:22.24 | hfly | I just installed debian base system but my network card's module is not installed. I have the driver on a floppy but gcc is not working "-bash: gcc: command not found"" |
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| 05:22.35 | croddy | Flimzy: boot to a live linux cd and run grub from that |
| 05:22.45 | Flimzy | hfly: why do you need gcc? |
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| 05:23.01 | Flimzy | croddy: Certianly there's a way to do it from a Debian install CD |
| 05:23.28 | hfly | Flimzy: trying to install the 3com 3c90x module |
| 05:23.29 | croddy | Flimzy: i would agree with the statement that a debian install cd is a live linux cd |
| 05:23.41 | Flimzy | hfly: So... why the hell do you need gcc? |
| 05:24.08 | Flimzy | hfly: I've used 3x90x cards in Linux for years, and never once ran 'gcc' myself to use it. |
| 05:24.08 | liable | to build it?? |
| 05:24.17 | hfly | Flimzy: because I tried the installation script but it doesn't run either |
| 05:24.23 | Flimzy | hfly: The module for a 3x90x card comes default with Debina. |
| 05:24.32 | Flimzy | hfly: That's b/c the install script is smarter than that. |
| 05:24.40 | Flimzy | The install script knows it doesn't need to run gcc |
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| 05:24.52 | Flimzy | b/c the binary module is already on the CD |
| 05:24.56 | hfly | Flimzy: sure but it doesn't run |
| 05:24.57 | croddy | Flimzy: stop babbling |
| 05:24.59 | Flimzy | (or HD, once the install is complete) |
| 05:25.12 | croddy | hfly: he is right. the correct driver is included with the debian installer. |
| 05:25.25 | Flimzy | hfly: Lets take a couple steps back... What _specific_ problem are you having loading the existing driver? |
| 05:26.14 | hfly | Flimzy: when the system boots it detects the 3c |
| 05:26.17 | comrade | Also, since I'll be dual booting partitions. How do I need to set up my new debian partition? Primary.. Logical..? |
| 05:26.17 | Flimzy | hfly: When I run th einstaller, the first question it asks me after I tell it what country I'm in is, "What network card do you have?" and the 3com cards are listed very first. |
| 05:26.40 | Flimzy | comrade: doesn't matter. Linux could boot from a glass of chocolate milk, if it had an IDE interface. |
| 05:26.52 | roler | shadows; what is this font called? The GTK font? |
| 05:26.54 | comrade | mkay |
| 05:26.59 | hfly | Flimzy: when the system boots it loads the 3c59x module and the card doesn't work |
| 05:27.11 | Flimzy | hfly: Explain how it doesn't work. |
| 05:27.18 | shadows | roler: bug in some versions of freetype causes helvetica font to go apeshit |
| 05:27.23 | Flimzy | hfly: B/c that shoould be the right driver. |
| 05:27.27 | shadows | it may be a different bug though |
| 05:27.31 | shadows | that's the one i'm remembering |
| 05:27.34 | croddy | hfly: press alt+left to look at the debugging output. that should show whether there is a link. |
| 05:27.45 | shadows | i have Debian Etch running an X11 setup without inccident here |
| 05:27.52 | comrade | How do you make ext3 in cfdisk, anyone? |
| 05:27.54 | shadows | my sarge setup is a server, i don't run X11 on it |
| 05:28.00 | shadows | couldn't tell you if that works or not |
| 05:28.10 | shadows | comrade: type for ext3 is same as ext2 |
| 05:28.18 | Flimzy | comrade: set it to ext2 |
| 05:28.19 | shadows | hexadecimal type 0x83 |
| 05:28.21 | comrade | ah |
| 05:28.43 | shadows | in fact you can create an ext2 system and non-destructively add the journal, making it an ext3 fs |
| 05:28.45 | Flimzy | comrade: Then make it ext3 with mkfs. (ext3 is identical to ext2, except it has a journal file on it... you can mount any ext3 partition as ext2 if you wanted to) |
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| 05:28.47 | roler | shadows; i'm not really sure if I have helvetica installed. I have the windows fonts installed as they are available in firefox. but I don't see helvetica |
| 05:28.49 | croddy | comrade: cfdisk won't actually format the partition, though. you will still need to run mke2fs |
| 05:28.51 | shadows | tune2fs -j /my/file/system |
| 05:29.01 | shadows | roler: not sure then :/ |
| 05:29.09 | Flimzy | So... how does one re-install grub after booting from the Debian install CD? |
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| 05:29.24 | Gom | how the hell do you boot off a usb stick? |
| 05:29.28 | comrade | So do I just pick 83 (linux) or what? |
| 05:29.34 | shadows | yes |
| 05:29.42 | croddy | Flimzy: execute the command "grub" |
| 05:29.52 | Flimzy | croddy: Command not found. |
| 05:29.54 | xoz | Flimzy: grub-install ? |
| 05:29.59 | shadows | Gom: that's more like voodoo magic |
| 05:30.06 | hfly | croddy: alt+left at the command promt doesn't do anything |
| 05:30.11 | rend | when trying to run vncviewer.. i get: ./vncviewer: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 05:30.21 | Flimzy | xoz: also command not found. I have a feelling some other step is required first... like making grub exist. hehe |
| 05:30.22 | shadows | Gom: i never got it to work for a *nix OS, only freedos |
| 05:30.23 | Froo | Where's the debian newbie channel? |
| 05:30.30 | croddy | hflt: use the left alt key :-) |
| 05:30.36 | xoz | Flimzy: apt-get install grub? |
| 05:30.39 | shadows | Froo: this channel is surprisingly helpful as of late |
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| 05:30.52 | nekostar | Froo, #ubuntu >_> |
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| 05:31.02 | shadows | Froo: general noob like behavior is best tolerated in #gentoo or #ubuntu |
| 05:31.04 | nekostar | j/k j/k |
| 05:31.12 | Flimzy | xoz: I'm running of the ram-disk from the debian install CD |
| 05:31.23 | Froo | So, there is no real debian newbie? Oh okay - Ubuntu sounds good - thanks. |
| 05:31.31 | nekostar | Froo, what do you need |
| 05:31.40 | xoz | Froo: we treat people as adult here... people tend to grow faster if you dont spoonfeed them |
| 05:31.45 | Flimzy | grr |
| 05:32.03 | Flimzy | and even once I mount and chroot to my / partition, grub-install can't find everything it needs |
| 05:32.09 | nekostar | consider it the difference b/t a tutor pointing u in the right direction and your brother doing your homework heh |
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| 05:32.23 | hfly | croddy: that switches to another terminal but there is no errors output |
| 05:32.28 | xoz | Flimzy: all files in one partition? |
| 05:32.29 | croddy | hfly: keep pressing it |
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| 05:32.44 | Flimzy | xoz: No. /usr and /var are on LVM |
| 05:32.48 | nekostar | <<-- gets pointed a lot heh |
| 05:33.00 | xoz | Flimzy: mounted them also within chroot? |
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| 05:33.15 | Flimzy | xoz: won't let me |
| 05:33.22 | hfly | croddy: I did, all 6 terminals the same |
| 05:33.25 | mlots | How do I specify a double newline as a token for flex? Or where can I find that out? |
| 05:33.40 | croddy | hfly: so, you are not in the debian installer. where are you? |
| 05:34.45 | xoz | Flimzy: mount /dev/part1 mnt/root ... then mount /dev/<partition> /mnt/root/usr ...etc before chroot /mnt/root |
| 05:34.56 | Flimzy | Why can't the debian install disc have a recovery mode like it used to |
| 05:35.15 | croddy | Flimzy: boot to a linux live cd and run grub from there |
| 05:35.16 | hfly | croddy: no, I already installed the system. It was first installed with a linksys lne100tx that wasn't detected so now I'm trying to install the 3com 3c90b TX |
| 05:35.30 | Flimzy | xoz: The trouble is, the default kernel doesn't seem to have the necessary support for lvm |
| 05:35.37 | Flimzy | croddy: Yeah, thanks. I'm about 4 steps ahead of you. |
| 05:35.40 | xoz | Flimzy: livecd then |
| 05:37.11 | Flimzy | blah |
| 05:37.11 | Flimzy | livecds suck |
| 05:37.11 | croddy | Flimzy: sorry. last i remember, you rejected that solution and asked something vague about the d-i cd |
| 05:37.11 | Flimzy | croddy: Last I recall, you told me the d-i cd *was* a live cd. |
| 05:37.11 | hfly | croddy: but I'm using the installed system, should I reinstall ? |
| 05:37.11 | xoz | Flimzy: install a minilinux in one partition... install grub from there. then configure grub to boot from the real root |
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| 05:37.15 | Flimzy | xoz: heh. no thanks |
| 05:37.50 | xoz | Flimzy: your problem is trivial... many ways to do it but may take time... installing grub is not that *BIG* trouble. |
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| 05:38.15 | Flimzy | xoz: It's a lot more trouble now that they took 'recover' off of the Debian install Cd... and it's a lot more trouble than lilo ever was. *sigh* |
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| 05:38.37 | Flimzy | s/recover/rescue/ |
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| 05:39.53 | tuv | i have a remote email account with pop only access. i want to make it available for more than one machine via e.g. imap. how can i do that? |
| 05:39.57 | adlr | hi. i just installed sarge and ther kernel-2.4.27 sources. i can't seem to execute make menuconfig in the kernel sources b/c it complains about ncurses |
| 05:40.19 | tuv | i thought i could probably use fetchmail, will that work? do i need any thing else besides fetchmail? |
| 05:40.25 | croddy | adlr: apt-get install kernel-package build-essential |
| 05:40.41 | xoz | Flimzy: still it's just a matter of playing with the state of the system... yes, rescue cd should be still there in the installer option. |
| 05:40.52 | adlr | croddy: well, i just want to configure the sources so i can build something that refers to the kernel sources |
| 05:41.03 | adlr | but i can try that for sure |
| 05:41.18 | Gom | lol i broke my floppy drive trying to install new bios |
| 05:41.19 | croddy | adlr: then i suppose you would only need to install libncurses-dev, if that's all you're missing |
| 05:42.00 | croddy | adlr: but if you just need to build something against your existing kernel, one of the kernel-headers-* packages might be an easier solution |
| 05:42.29 | adlr | ok.. i'll try libcursesdev first |
| 05:42.41 | Flimzy | Why does grub-install depend on non-/bin and non-/sbin items? grr |
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| 05:43.25 | xoz | Flimzy: try grub.. within the grub shell.. you can setup(***).. man grub |
| 05:43.36 | Guerin | tuv: have multiple machines use fetchmail or another client which can be told not to delete the messages after download |
| 05:43.48 | Flimzy | heh, man not found. I'll run man on another system |
| 05:43.56 | nekostar | hi Guerin ;) |
| 05:43.57 | Flimzy | and I think I'll revert to less-evil lilo once this system is booting again |
| 05:44.00 | nekostar | question for ya |
| 05:44.16 | nekostar | is etch or sarge faster on a similar install |
| 05:44.20 | xoz | Flimzy: info grub, instead |
| 05:44.29 | Guerin | nekostar: neither |
| 05:44.32 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 05:44.32 | nekostar | o.o |
| 05:44.39 | Flimzy | info grub and man grub tell me exactly the same thing |
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| 05:44.47 | croddy | jesus |
| 05:44.51 | nekostar | updated packages vs. older packages /// same machine |
| 05:45.00 | croddy | root (hd0,0) (or similar) |
| 05:45.01 | Guerin | Flimzy: install grub-doc |
| 05:45.03 | croddy | setup (hd0) |
| 05:45.04 | croddy | quit |
| 05:45.05 | nekostar | got to be SOME kinda difference neh? |
| 05:45.09 | Guerin | sheeeyit |
| 05:45.17 | Guerin | stupid moduleated clock mode |
| 05:45.19 | tuv | Guerin: i want to share the state of messages, i.e. an already read message has to be shown as read for both machines accessing the email |
| 05:45.21 | Flimzy | croddy: yeah, it's that "or similar" part that always fails |
| 05:45.28 | xoz | Flimzy: root (hd0,0) |
| 05:45.29 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.35 | xoz | Flimzy: quit |
| 05:45.35 | croddy | Flimzy: then hit tab repeatedly for a list |
| 05:45.44 | Guerin | tuv: then you need to have the messages autoforwarded to something which supports such things, like an imapd |
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| 05:45.50 | Flimzy | croddy: Lists don't help if you don't know what they mean |
| 05:45.57 | xoz | Flimzy: adjyst based on your hw |
| 05:46.09 | croddy | Flimzy: you are the one who partitioned the disk... |
| 05:46.13 | tuv | Guerin: so i do fetchmail to imapd? |
| 05:46.31 | Guerin | tuv: can do. |
| 05:46.35 | Flimzy | xoz: Yes, I understand that part. The part I don't understand is how grub decides how to represent the hardware with it's names and numbers |
| 05:46.50 | nekostar | thats the easy bit Flimzy |
| 05:46.57 | xoz | Flimzy: read |
| 05:47.00 | Flimzy | croddy: Ahh yes... thank you. I'd forgotten that *I* was the one who partitioned my hard drive... now it's all making PERFECT sense. |
| 05:47.00 | adlr | croddy: thanks! |
| 05:47.01 | nekostar | first drive == 0 first partition = 0 |
| 05:47.12 | nekostar | 0,0 like in algebra :) |
| 05:47.19 | Flimzy | xoz: I'm trying. But I still haven't found *what* to read. |
| 05:47.23 | xoz | 0,0 as in C array |
| 05:47.29 | nekostar | or that heh |
| 05:47.41 | nekostar | Flimzy, the grub site has quite detailed info too |
| 05:47.41 | Guerin | stupid modulated clock mode, this fucking machine is only at a load of 2.7 |
| 05:47.44 | Flimzy | nekostar: Yes, that part is simple enough. |
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| 05:48.01 | nekostar | Flimzy, the other thing to think about is is that hdd hda hdb etc |
| 05:48.03 | Flimzy | nekostar: the bigger problem is in determining which drive grub thinks is first. |
| 05:48.05 | xoz | Flimzy: if you like lilo, you really don't know grub... |
| 05:48.10 | nekostar | /dev/hd* its that * |
| 05:48.18 | Flimzy | xoz: I've never claimed to know grub. |
| 05:48.33 | xoz | hda1 -> hd0,0 |
| 05:48.34 | nekostar | so Flimzy what is the device allocation? |
| 05:48.43 | Flimzy | xoz: hda1 -> hd0,0 *sometimes* |
| 05:48.56 | xoz | hdb2 -> hd1,1 |
| 05:49.06 | Flimzy | xoz: until you start throwing an sda in there |
| 05:49.13 | Flimzy | then who knows what'll happen |
| 05:49.16 | croddy | i think the gentoo handbook has an excellent section on how to install grub |
| 05:49.19 | nekostar | then its /dev/sda1 |
| 05:49.22 | croddy | you might check it out. |
| 05:49.26 | Flimzy | croddy: perhaps I'll look for that. |
| 05:49.27 | nekostar | still (0,0) |
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| 05:49.30 | xoz | Flimzy: sd0,0 ? |
| 05:49.35 | Flimzy | nekostar: Well, root is hda3 on this particular system. |
| 05:49.37 | nekostar | or something like that yeah |
| 05:49.44 | nekostar | ok thats easy then |
| 05:49.57 | nekostar | google: grub sata hda partition |
| 05:50.10 | nekostar | bet u find something in the first 10 links |
| 05:50.10 | TGoC | My apache is making alot of connections so when 30 people are browsing on my site the site practicly collapses what can i do about it? |
| 05:50.12 | xoz | Flimzy: check using fdisk/cfdisk/parted about the geom of your disk |
| 05:50.28 | Flimzy | xoz: Do I need to know the physical geometry? Or is just knowing the partition # enough? |
| 05:50.46 | nekostar | Flimzy, there is one other thing though >_> |
| 05:50.55 | nekostar | if you swap the hdd and cdrom cables around.... |
| 05:50.55 | rend | when trying to run vncviewer.. i get: ./vncviewer: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: can not open shared object file: No such file or directory? |
| 05:51.03 | rend | what should i do? |
| 05:51.09 | nekostar | then the hdd's start at /dev/sdc or /dev/hdc |
| 05:51.11 | xoz | Flimzy: i think partition # is ok... just map it to the other |
| 05:51.12 | nekostar | >:P |
| 05:51.28 | Flimzy | nekostar: I'm not swapping any hardware around. my only trouble is that the W2k install wiped out the MBR |
| 05:51.32 | croddy | rend: there are several vncviewers in the apt repositories, have you considered using one of them? |
| 05:51.40 | nekostar | Flimzy, then thats EASY |
| 05:51.48 | xoz | Flimzy: that's a normal problem... |
| 05:51.54 | nekostar | omg lol |
| 05:51.56 | rend | croddy: oh i didnt get them when i did apt-get install vnc |
| 05:52.05 | nekostar | xoz, correct me if im wrong here ok? |
| 05:52.05 | croddy | rend: apt-cache search vncviewer :-) |
| 05:52.10 | nekostar | the method i use for that is this: |
| 05:52.16 | nekostar | 1. toss in install cd. |
| 05:52.24 | nekostar | 2. follow through partitioning |
| 05:52.37 | nekostar | 3. tell it to keep data on all but swap |
| 05:52.49 | nekostar | 4. get an install error which kicks me back to menu |
| 05:52.54 | nekostar | 5. install grub |
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| 05:52.57 | nekostar | done : |
| 05:53.00 | Flimzy | Hrm |
| 05:53.15 | nekostar | if you like ill try it right now lol |
| 05:53.24 | Flimzy | no, I'll try it |
| 05:53.32 | Flimzy | I started down that path, but aborted when it tried to fdisk |
| 05:53.33 | xoz | nekostar: make sense.. |
| 05:53.40 | nekostar | make SURe TO TELL it to not format anything but the swap |
| 05:53.46 | nekostar | and make sure root is in same place :) |
| 05:53.53 | rend | croddy thanks |
| 05:54.03 | nekostar | im gonna have a cig brb :) |
| 05:54.14 | tuv | Guerin: are fetchmail and imapd enough? don't i need an MTA? |
| 05:54.16 | Flimzy | blah |
| 05:54.25 | Flimzy | I hafta go thru everything and tell it what to use it for |
| 05:54.32 | nekostar | btw |
| 05:54.41 | Flimzy | I guess this will work. But it's still too complicated. I wish DI would bring back damn 'rescue' |
| 05:54.42 | nekostar | once you can get debian to boot thats the ONLY hard part |
| 05:54.55 | nekostar | just edit /boot/grub/menu.1st to do the chainloader thing |
| 05:54.55 | liable | !test |
| 05:54.55 | liable | grrr |
| 05:54.56 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:54.58 | nekostar | brb |
| 05:55.25 | xoz | Flimzy: you are the *rescue* |
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| 05:55.42 | Flimzy | xoz: ? |
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| 05:56.11 | SperMite | is there a reason why i cant get kmplayer on etch ? |
| 05:56.24 | kjon | I need help with gnomebaker!!! - What exactly is needed to burn dvd's? What is the 'prodvd' stuff? |
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| 05:56.56 | Flimzy | it's not letting me install grub |
| 05:57.07 | liable | SperMite: lots of kde is broken in etch atm apparently |
| 05:57.28 | Flimzy | it insists on installing the base system |
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| 05:57.38 | kjon | any suggestion? |
| 05:57.39 | SperMite | liable is it gonna get fixed? |
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| 05:57.57 | liable | SperMite: sure, one day |
| 05:58.28 | nekostar | Flimzy, |
| 05:58.39 | xoz | Flimzy: escape... goto main menu... can you goto main menu... just play along as long as the ops are not destructive. |
| 05:58.47 | nekostar | its very important that you tell it NOT to format anything etc |
| 05:58.54 | tuv | Guerin: are fetchmail and imapd enough? don't i need an MTA? |
| 05:59.00 | nekostar | u just need to get to the grub menu |
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| 05:59.09 | nekostar | you will then get another error after it installs it |
| 05:59.21 | nekostar | look at it it should be a completeing install error not a grub error. |
| 05:59.30 | xoz | !install grub |
| 05:59.30 | dpkg | apt-get install grub; zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz; IGNORE everything in the man pages and the info pages for now. |
| 05:59.41 | jsmidt | I am trying to install sid from the debian-installer, when I get to "install the base system" I get an error message: "Failed getting release file:///cdrom/dists/sid/Release |
| 05:59.46 | Flimzy | xoz: I did go to the main menu. then when I select 'install grub', it gives 2 options: Install base system on un-clean system, or abort |
| 06:00.02 | jsmidt | What is the install problem? |
| 06:00.22 | xoz | !fixmbr |
| 06:00.23 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 06:00.43 | nekostar | heh |
| 06:00.54 | xoz | Flimzy: im not familiar with the step... ask nekostar. |
| 06:01.19 | nekostar | hold on ill kill this system and do it nipplesrulz is me too |
| 06:01.29 | nipplesrulz | one sec |
| 06:01.31 | liable | jsmidt: wtf? there isnt a sid installer. |
| 06:01.36 | SperMite | liable where did you read about this at? |
| 06:01.51 | liable | SperMite: from everyone whining in here. :) |
| 06:02.03 | SperMite | =( |
| 06:02.12 | liable | SperMite: check the bts for kmplayer.. |
| 06:02.13 | nekostar | i dont mind doing something destructive to this one anyway heh |
| 06:02.17 | ejofee | anybody here *not* an american? |
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| 06:02.26 | liable | ejofee: lots of people.. |
| 06:02.33 | mrec__ | god I hate wlan .. |
| 06:02.41 | xoz | more than 50% i guess |
| 06:02.49 | randey | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.55 | jsmidt | If you have an install cd in expert mode it asks if you want to install sid |
| 06:03.05 | ejofee | liable & the (other?) non-americans: how do i change subtitle font size in kaffeine? |
| 06:03.09 | liable | you cant use the installer bit to install grub, you need to run it from the chroot. |
| 06:03.10 | jsmidt | try it out |
| 06:03.13 | nipplesrulz | o: have to try that |
| 06:03.19 | Flimzy | I may have done it by going thru the whole partition process... setting up LVM, etc... then doing a chroot to /target then running grub-install |
| 06:03.22 | Flimzy | I shall find out shortly |
| 06:03.22 | shingouz | jsmidt: and if you answer "yes" to it you are not too smart if you have to ask how to make the installer work |
| 06:03.42 | liable | ejofee: i may be un-american, but i only speak engrish. :) |
| 06:03.42 | jsmidt | I understand that, but I am trying to learn |
| 06:03.50 | ejofee | liable :)))) |
| 06:04.08 | nipplesrulz | ok up to partitioner |
| 06:04.16 | liable | Flimzy: have you tried with just 'grub' instead of grub-install?? |
| 06:04.39 | xoz | Flimzy: play with your options... im sure youll encounter similar problem in the future... nice learning process to install boot loader. |
| 06:04.44 | Flimzy | liable: No... b/c I haven't yet found docs that explain it to me |
| 06:04.52 | croddy | Flimzy: gentoo handbook |
| 06:05.05 | croddy | honest to god, the best introduction to grub on the web. |
| 06:05.09 | Flimzy | well I just booted from grub... fsck'ing /home atm |
| 06:05.21 | jsmidt | Is there an install IRC? |
| 06:05.24 | liable | Flimzy: grub; root (hdx,x); setup (hdx); quit |
| 06:05.29 | Flimzy | croddy: Yeah, that's the _one_ thing gentoo seems to be good at... creating good docs |
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| 06:05.45 | nipplesrulz | ok told it to use each and where to mount here we go :) |
| 06:06.15 | nipplesrulz | procede with install no |
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| 06:06.21 | xoz | Flimzy: they have plenty of waiting time while their comp is compiling. |
| 06:06.25 | tuv | Guerin: are fetchmail and imapd enough? don't i need an MTA? sorry for reasking, but i really need to know this |
| 06:06.26 | comrade | Ok, cool. I got everything installed. While setting Debian up, though, I accidentally canceled out of the configuration. (it was in the process of setting up email). When I boot now, it gives me bash. How can I re-enter the configuration for downloading packages and such? |
| 06:06.42 | nipplesrulz | continued and it shot me back to main menu going to grub |
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| 06:07.12 | nipplesrulz | installing grub to unclean target |
| 06:07.18 | liable | comrade: you want the desktop bit? |
| 06:07.26 | roler | i'm trying to figure out why the menu system in xmms and audacity type applications is so small I can't read it. My normal applications, nautilus and firefox etc are just fine |
| 06:07.31 | nipplesrulz | SAYS its gonna do base system |
| 06:07.37 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i'm having issues with the 3d acceleration on my radeon card.. the fps in glxgears drops from 700 to 120 fps for some reason and i can't get 3d acceleration |
| 06:07.40 | comrade | I'd like to start up the configuration again. X wasn't set up yet :( |
| 06:07.52 | Evil_Pink_Robot | does anyone else have this problem also? |
| 06:08.07 | liable | comrade: try apt-get -f install |
| 06:08.10 | Flimzy | xoz, hehe |
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| 06:08.18 | nipplesrulz | started to do sometihng.... did ctrl+alt+del |
| 06:08.22 | comrade | Will do. |
| 06:08.23 | comrade | Thanks |
| 06:08.31 | xoz | Flimzy: too much lag out thetre |
| 06:08.44 | liable | comrade: if all else fails, run 'tasksel' |
| 06:08.45 | SperMite | this is what it says when trying to install kmplayer Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>=4:3.4.2-1) but it is not installable |
| 06:08.46 | xoz | roler: adjust -dpu |
| 06:08.47 | xoz | roler: adjust -dpi |
| 06:08.51 | Flimzy | xoz, I ran to the other room for a sec to check on my mpeg encoding process |
| 06:09.04 | Flimzy | alrighty... I believe I am booted up again |
| 06:09.06 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 06:09.09 | Flimzy | now to figure out how to add Windows to grub |
| 06:09.13 | nipplesrulz | hard to tell as i have a working grub on that one lol |
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| 06:09.25 | nipplesrulz | o: thats the easy bit |
| 06:09.31 | liable | Flimzy: theres an example in the menu.lst |
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| 06:10.29 | Flimzy | liable: ok |
| 06:10.59 | nipplesrulz | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html |
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| 06:11.09 | Flimzy | seems to be working. spiffy |
| 06:11.19 | kjon | I need with cdrecord!!! pleezee |
| 06:11.27 | croddy | kjon: what's the problem? |
| 06:11.28 | nipplesrulz | [ignore the hides] |
| 06:11.32 | liable | need what? |
| 06:11.43 | nipplesrulz | now i wanna try a sid install !_! |
| 06:12.37 | xoz | Flimzy: then, you can run grub-shell at boot prompt if you have problems booting next time.. lilo won't allow you to edit config at bootprompt. |
| 06:12.50 | kjon | croddy: I can't burn dvd's with gnomebaker. I do not understand all the "prodvd" stuff... What do I need to do? I need to download a new app? or what? |
| 06:12.56 | Flimzy | xoz: Yeah. I realize that grub is superior in design to lilo. |
| 06:13.05 | kjon | sniff :( |
| 06:13.11 | Flimzy | xoz: that doesn't make it intuitive tho |
| 06:13.15 | croddy | kjon: do you have dvd+rw-tools installed? |
| 06:13.24 | kjon | croddy: Yep. |
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| 06:13.50 | Flimzy | Grr... I hate this having to fsck every other time I boot up thing. I wish they'd fix that bug |
| 06:13.53 | bunga | hello can help |
| 06:13.53 | bunga | key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 06:13.54 | tuv | i ne |
| 06:14.10 | xoz | Flimzy: it is... just take time to get used to its ways of doing things. you can always get away with prob related to kernel upgrade+boot problem with grub. |
| 06:14.41 | Flimzy | xoz: If it was intuitive, it would't take time... that's what intiutive is for :P |
| 06:14.58 | kjon | croddy: You're my last hope :P :) |
| 06:15.02 | bunga | GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 06:15.07 | bunga | can help about that |
| 06:15.22 | croddy | kjon: could you explain this "prodvd" issue a little more? |
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| 06:15.36 | Woosta | bunga: you installed a testing release of apt at a guess .. it's in the faq |
| 06:15.45 | xoz | Flimzy: relative to the person using it :) |
| 06:16.15 | kjon | croddy: Well, basically it says that the cdrecord's code of dvd burning is missing. It recommends me to get a key from ftp.berlios... blah blah blah... |
| 06:16.16 | Flimzy | xoz: well I was comparing it to lilo |
| 06:16.51 | bunga | Woosta can give me complete link to faq ? |
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| 06:17.19 | liable | bunga: /topic |
| 06:17.25 | xoz | Flimzy: lilo pales in comparison with grub... you just happened to be in a wrong *footing* when you first encountered grub. |
| 06:17.41 | kc | Hi, I have a problem does anyone know how to handle a kernel panic: init not found . |
| 06:17.41 | kjon | cdrecord: Found DVD+ media but DVD+R/DVD+RW support code is missing. |
| 06:17.42 | kjon | cdrecord: If you need DVD+R/DVD+RW support, ask the Author for cdrecord-ProDVD. |
| 06:17.51 | jsmidt | I found out my problem, for those who want to install sid from cd, vorlon wrote me: "jsmidt: there are no CD images that include unstable on them; AFAIK the only way to install sid currently is by using a businesscard or netboot (not netinst) image that doesn't have any .debs on it" |
| 06:17.53 | tuv | i want to use fetchmail and make the fetched mail availble by an imap server, do i need an mta? |
| 06:17.56 | croddy | kjon: just a moment |
| 06:18.00 | liable | kjon: install growisofs |
| 06:18.07 | Flimzy | xoz: Lilo no doubt pales in comparison to grub, where features and usability are concerned. I still say that lilo is more intuitive, though. |
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| 06:18.27 | Xenguy | Flimzy: agreed, lilo is *simpler* |
| 06:18.32 | nipplesrulz | hey sure enough |
| 06:18.35 | opnsrc | When I type in apt-get install it says two packages have not been upgraded. How do I tell what they are and upgrade them? |
| 06:18.38 | croddy | kjon: are you sure you have the package named "dvd+rw-tools" installed? |
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| 06:18.52 | nipplesrulz | in the etch installer if you choose expert it lets u choose b/t stable/testing/unstable |
| 06:18.57 | Flimzy | oh boy! |
| 06:19.03 | Flimzy | X locked up my terminal |
| 06:19.16 | kjon | croddy: dvd+rw-tools is already installed. And Growisofs too! |
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| 06:19.23 | kjon | T.T |
| 06:19.30 | xoz | Flimzy: maybe you mixed intuitive with idiot-proof :) |
| 06:19.38 | kc | Hi, I have a problem does anyone know how to handle a kernel panic: init not found . |
| 06:19.46 | croddy | kjon: have you selected the disk size using the menu in the bottom right corner of gnomebaker? |
| 06:19.53 | Flimzy | xoz: lilo is anything but idiot-proof. |
| 06:20.11 | xoz | kc: maybe you forgot initrd image? in your grub menu.lst |
| 06:20.22 | kc | xoz: I don't have grub |
| 06:20.24 | liable | kjon: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ try growisofs from the cli. |
| 06:20.31 | kc | xoz: I don't have initrd image |
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| 06:20.36 | kc | xoz: never used one |
| 06:20.38 | kjon | liable: thnx! :) |
| 06:20.41 | kc | xoz: ;) |
| 06:20.46 | liable | np |
| 06:20.54 | kjon | croddy: Yep I did! |
| 06:21.02 | xoz | Flimzy: it just so happened you get used to lilo... then comes grub doing similar thing in a different way... old habits die hard |
| 06:21.11 | croddy | kjon: i am afraid i cannot explain the problem you are experiencing. sorry |
| 06:21.15 | Flimzy | kc: You probably have used one... since it's used by default when Debian installs |
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| 06:21.17 | Woosta | I'm trying to stick to stable-only .. but it doesn't seem like mysql is in there .. I have mysql-common and libmysqlclient .. but that's all .. |
| 06:21.30 | kc | Flimzy: I didn't install debian |
| 06:21.35 | Flimzy | xoz: I've used other boot loaders, too... none of them as much a bitch as grub. |
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| 06:21.38 | aalex | hi |
| 06:21.38 | kc | Flimzy: i just used image :) |
| 06:21.41 | xoz | *plonk* |
| 06:21.45 | Flimzy | kc: huh? |
| 06:21.57 | kjon | croddy: Don't worry... it's quite hard for me to explain it deeper. My english is getting rusty, so, I can't explain things very well... :( |
| 06:22.00 | xoz | Flimzy: life is relative. |
| 06:22.04 | kc | Flimzy: I copied image pasted,, run my bootloader and it all helped :) |
| 06:22.12 | liable | kc: what do you mean? just used image?? |
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| 06:22.17 | aalex | I installed rosegarden... but it doesnt look like this marvelous software .... Does this package have like an other name ? http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ |
| 06:22.21 | Flimzy | kc: And you're wondering why it doesn't work? |
| 06:22.32 | croddy | kjon: what language do you speak? there may be a debian channel where you can get better help |
| 06:22.38 | xoz | kc copied debian image to his linux system |
| 06:22.38 | d3s | what is the dpkg-reconfigure command to manage dns? |
| 06:22.50 | kc | liable: I have jffs2 image which i just got as my root and then used the prebuilt kernel to run the bugger |
| 06:22.59 | kc | xoz: thankyou |
| 06:23.08 | kjon | croddy: es_CL |
| 06:23.13 | Flimzy | d3s: I don't know of one. Are you running a DNS server, or you just need to configure your workstation to use the proper DNS servers? |
| 06:23.19 | kc | xoz: do you know how I can cure the illness of init not found? |
| 06:23.21 | xoz | kc: but it is not a good idea |
| 06:23.33 | Woosta | Anyone know what's happened to mysql in stable? |
| 06:23.41 | kc | xoz: it says it's not found even if i write init=/bin/sh |
| 06:23.47 | Flimzy | xoz: Yes... and relative to all other bootloaders I've used, grub is the least intuitive. Even FreeBSD's boot loader is easier to use :P |
| 06:23.48 | xoz | kc: debian kernel uses initrd... do you have that in your system? what is your linux? |
| 06:23.58 | Flimzy | xoz: (and FreeBSD likes to redefine 'partition') |
| 06:24.05 | croddy | kjon: #debian-es, y buena suerte :-) |
| 06:24.10 | kc | xoz: I am running familiar.. it's close. |
| 06:24.11 | kjon | croddy: Thnx! for the time anyway. |
| 06:24.23 | d3s | Flimzy: not running dns/bind. I just need to reconfigure my /etc/resolv.conf, but everytime I restart, the resolv.conf is changed again |
| 06:24.24 | aalex | got it : rosegarden4 |
| 06:24.40 | d3s | Flimzy: i;m using dhcp |
| 06:24.40 | Flimzy | d3s: Are you using DHCP? |
| 06:24.41 | kjon | croddy: thnx again |
| 06:24.41 | xoz | kc: you have to include initrd image in the bootloader config |
| 06:24.45 | Flimzy | d3s: Well that's why... DHCP will update resolv.conf |
| 06:24.57 | xoz | kc: are you using ubuntu? |
| 06:24.58 | kc | i specify noinitrd in my bootloading parameters |
| 06:25.04 | kc | xoz: familiar |
| 06:25.13 | tuv | i want to use fetchmail and make the fetched mail available by an imap server, do i need an mta or is the imap server considered one? |
| 06:25.20 | kc | xoz: its a pda debian mimik |
| 06:25.45 | kc | xoz: its practically debian accept for smaller.. |
| 06:25.45 | nipplesrulz | whats the difference b/t linux-image and kernel-image during the installer?? |
| 06:25.53 | kc | xoz: downsized to 20 megs |
| 06:26.10 | d3s | FlimFlamMan: i remember when I did debian installation it asked my DNS server IP. Since my dhcp is not updating with the latest dns IP, I think I need to go back to that installation session to update my resolv.conf |
| 06:26.17 | xoz | kc: debian default kernel needs initrd image... it doesn't compile the modules static... so booting needs some during boot thru initrd image |
| 06:26.21 | d3s | Flimzy: i remember when I did debian installation it asked my DNS server IP. Since my dhcp is not updating with the latest dns IP, I think I need to go back to that installation session to update my resolv.conf |
| 06:26.34 | kc | xoz: the problem seems generic though, i mean i am sure many people have KernelPanic: init not found |
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| 06:26.56 | threat | d3s, ? |
| 06:26.59 | nipplesrulz | d3s, just toss in 66.75.160.41 |
| 06:27.03 | nipplesrulz | will get u there |
| 06:27.10 | nipplesrulz | then u can check router or something lol |
| 06:27.14 | kc | xoz: well this one is a bit cut down on size. :) |
| 06:27.29 | xoz | kc: it happens because it doesnt have the module to recognize your filesystem... so it cannot load init |
| 06:27.31 | kc | xoz: I admit it's definetly not default. |
| 06:27.47 | d3s | nipplesrulz: I know, but it changes everytime I restart |
| 06:27.49 | kc | but it loads root |
| 06:28.25 | xoz | kc: debian kernel has no fs compiled within... it has to need initrd image to load the module during boot. |
| 06:28.39 | Woosta | Can *anyone* tell me if I'm going mad: is mysql not available in stable? |
| 06:28.54 | shadows | Woosta: if you're using aptitude, just stop |
| 06:29.01 | kc | xoz: there is no such thing as a debian kernel |
| 06:29.02 | croddy | Woosta: it's there, both 4.0 and 4.1 are available |
| 06:29.07 | kc | xoz: at least that's what I thought |
| 06:29.18 | kc | xoz: kernel is 2.4.19 |
| 06:29.19 | shadows | Woosta: i had trouble making anything work with aptitude, try the other utils |
| 06:29.22 | opnsrc | uhm.... I think something was just wrong with the debian site. Everything seems to be working now. I think they fixed it. Thanks everyone |
| 06:29.25 | xoz | kc: debian-compiled kernel. |
| 06:29.43 | Woosta | shadows: I'm trying to find it in dselect (which is one hell of a sucky interface) |
| 06:29.59 | Woosta | croddy: I can't find it searching for 'mysql' or 'sql' |
| 06:30.13 | shadows | Woosta: pebcak error huh |
| 06:30.14 | xoz | kc: your problem will be better addressed in #debian-boot |
| 06:30.34 | kc | xoz: is it alive? |
| 06:30.53 | xoz | kc: join there |
| 06:30.54 | shadows | Woosta: apt-cache search mysql | less |
| 06:31.04 | shadows | use vim commands in less to search |
| 06:31.30 | Woosta | 99% of my problems are pebcak :) |
| 06:31.54 | Woosta | bah .. I maintain that dselect sucks |
| 06:32.43 | xoz | Woosta: dselect is like vim... either you like it very much or hate it. |
| 06:32.57 | Xenguy | Woosta: that's what a lot of people used to think too :-) |
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| 06:33.19 | Xenguy | Woosta: it was clunky, but it worked for me while I used it |
| 06:33.21 | Eno_ | aptitude! |
| 06:33.31 | xoz | dselect isvery powerful... comes with it a steep learning curve. |
| 06:34.05 | bunga | hello |
| 06:34.07 | bunga | can help mee |
| 06:34.23 | Xenguy | I eventually found I didn't need anything more than CLI for practical purposes |
| 06:34.30 | Xenguy | bunga: ask |
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| 06:34.48 | bunga | Xenguy ok i'll paste all my error |
| 06:34.54 | Xenguy | bunga: use pastebin |
| 06:35.03 | kc | xoz: debian-boot is dead |
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| 06:35.33 | bunga | Xenguy done |
| 06:35.39 | Xenguy | URL |
| 06:35.41 | kc | xoz: ever dealt with an init not found prob? how do you handle it ? |
| 06:35.42 | bunga | can see this link please http://channels.debian.net/paste/1599 |
| 06:36.07 | deadcat | xoz: really? dslect? |
| 06:36.16 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 06:36.18 | Flimzy | very strange |
| 06:36.25 | Flimzy | X is starting _very_ very dark |
| 06:36.57 | Xenguy | bunga: you probably need to wait awhile, or try a different mirror |
| 06:36.59 | bunga | Xenguy see that ? |
| 06:37.03 | Xenguy | ^^ |
| 06:37.16 | Woosta | You know you're on a new system when ... |
| 06:37.17 | Woosta | ... installing something 'depends' on installing gcc |
| 06:37.20 | bunga | Xenguy oh can give me some good mirror ? |
| 06:37.40 | Xenguy | bunga: try running this: sudo apt-setup |
| 06:38.00 | bunga | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
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| 06:38.16 | bunga | apt-get install base-config |
| 06:38.17 | Guerin | !installit |
| 06:38.18 | bunga | Reading package lists... Done |
| 06:38.18 | bunga | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 06:38.18 | bunga | base-config is already the newest version. |
| 06:38.18 | bunga | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded. |
| 06:38.18 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 06:38.20 | Xenguy | bunga: apt-get install apt-setup ? |
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| 06:38.31 | bunga | i'm install it |
| 06:38.31 | Xenguy | bunga: don't paste in the channel please |
| 06:38.34 | Guerin | bunga: you're a fuking idiot |
| 06:38.39 | Guerin | and fucking, too |
| 06:38.43 | bunga | so |
| 06:38.50 | Guerin | bunga: if you'd installed it, it'd be there. |
| 06:38.59 | Xenguy | oh my |
| 06:39.01 | bunga | ya |
| 06:39.05 | bunga | of course |
| 06:39.09 | bunga | but it can't |
| 06:39.14 | bunga | holy shit |
| 06:39.16 | Guerin | bunga: it can. You can't. |
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| 06:39.27 | bunga | w00t |
| 06:39.40 | bunga | can i manualy edit on sources.list ? |
| 06:39.48 | bunga | and change the repos ? |
| 06:39.55 | kc | nope.. are you kidding me? |
| 06:39.55 | croddy | yes |
| 06:39.55 | bunga | and run apt-get update ? |
| 06:40.01 | Xenguy | bunga: yes |
| 06:40.06 | kc | what? where did you hear that ? |
| 06:40.18 | kc | Xenguy: stop making fun of the little guy |
| 06:40.27 | bunga | ok wait i'll edit it |
| 06:40.37 | kc | no dont! |
| 06:40.42 | Xenguy | kc: please |
| 06:40.49 | kc | Xenguy: ok |
| 06:41.17 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.37 | kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.44 | Xenguy | Azar: Guerin's here for the abuse :-) |
| 06:42.06 | Azar | Xenguy: I need my dose everynight before going to bed |
| 06:42.15 | Xenguy | heheh, j/k |
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| 06:43.27 | Azar | bunga can you show me a sample of repo link? from your sources |
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| 06:44.35 | rend | whats the default screen name for vnc? |
| 06:44.59 | rend | or how can i list active listeners |
| 06:45.13 | Azar | netstat -tan? |
| 06:46.12 | Flimzy | Anyone have any idea why my display would work fine until I run 'startx', then it would go very very dark? I'm using a GeForce 6200 with the nvidia driver |
| 06:46.15 | rend | hmm Xvnc :1 -desktop |
| 06:46.37 | rend | so from a remote server should that be servername.com:1 ? |
| 06:47.02 | rend | cool worked |
| 06:47.08 | bunga | Azar check it please |
| 06:47.10 | bunga | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1600 |
| 06:47.28 | chealer_ | Flimzy: #nvidia |
| 06:47.35 | Azar | Filmzy more info please: distro version, kernel version, xserver installed or not, xorg or xfree86? |
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| 06:48.43 | Flimzy | heh |
| 06:48.50 | bunga | Azara and then ? |
| 06:48.53 | Flimzy | chealer_: Is that actually a useful channel? |
| 06:49.23 | Azar | ok bunga, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor so for each link you will add to the end: non-free contrib so it will look like this : deb http://yourlinkhere/debian/ stable main non-free config |
| 06:49.47 | jair_11 | anyone here have the book: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible by Benjamin Mako Hill |
| 06:49.49 | jair_11 | ? |
| 06:50.02 | chealer_ | Flimzy: if not, you're out of luck |
| 06:50.03 | Azar | uh no? |
| 06:50.20 | Flimzy | chealer_: Yeah, that will be the day. |
| 06:51.14 | Azar | damn bunga |
| 06:51.28 | Azar | remove the debian-non-US NONSENSE |
| 06:51.44 | Azar | remove the entire non-US links |
| 06:51.56 | bunga | Azar like this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1601 ? |
| 06:52.02 | bunga | ??? |
| 06:52.22 | Azar | wtf man |
| 06:52.24 | Azar | come on |
| 06:52.31 | Azar | your not fist grader |
| 06:52.53 | bunga | wait2 |
| 06:53.00 | Azar | keep only the first and last link the non-US ones remove them completely |
| 06:53.01 | liable | you're not a first grader :P |
| 06:53.11 | Azar | haha good one liable |
| 06:53.25 | bunga | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1602 |
| 06:53.33 | bunga | like that Azar |
| 06:54.14 | nipplesrulz | for sid sources just change testing to unstable? |
| 06:54.37 | Azar | bunga good now at the end of each of these three links add: non-free contrib as in deb http://ftp.us/debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 06:54.43 | liable | !iyhtays |
| 06:54.43 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 06:54.48 | Azar | bunga so you got it : at the end so to look like that |
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| 06:56.07 | bunga | lie this one Azar http://channels.debian.net/paste/1603 |
| 06:56.20 | Azar | err my bad , the example should be http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 06:56.43 | bunga | dunno |
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| 06:57.01 | bunga | ok can u edit my sources.list and give the link to pastebin ? |
| 06:57.13 | Azar | bunga delete the last one by mistake I put a / instead of . |
| 06:57.20 | Azar | bunga go to the end of each link |
| 06:57.21 | Azar | end |
| 06:57.22 | Azar | of |
| 06:57.24 | Azar | each link |
| 06:57.40 | Azar | and add to each link at the end: non-free contrib |
| 06:58.14 | Azar | bunga you got 3 links: go to the end of each one and add ok? |
| 06:58.30 | Azar | don't add ok ad what I showed you |
| 06:59.14 | bunga | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1604 |
| 06:59.23 | bunga | like that |
| 06:59.34 | Azar | :) great, you got it |
| 06:59.47 | liable | !congratulate bunga |
| 06:59.47 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies bunga, you did it! |
| 07:00.16 | Azar | if you got "aptitude" use it, if not apt-get install aptitude. Then run the command aptitude update then run command aptitude upgrade |
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| 07:01.42 | xerophyte | Ruby vs Python ??? |
| 07:01.44 | ultraviolet16 | so I just bought a new amd turion 64-bit processor based laptop and I was wondering how to go about installing debian on it. |
| 07:01.59 | Flimzy | xerophyte: last I heard, the score was 7 to 6 |
| 07:02.09 | ultraviolet16 | I usually install the live cd with my old 32 bit system.. but is it any different with 64 arch? |
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| 07:02.37 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16, You can use the i386 install... or the amd64 |
| 07:02.46 | bunga | wootttttttttt |
| 07:02.46 | bunga | !ping me |
| 07:02.53 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: i386 is just the same, b/c it is the same. it will be a bbit easeir, and almost as fast. |
| 07:03.03 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: amd64 is a bit faster, but also more broken |
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| 07:03.57 | ultraviolet16 | how much more broken? |
| 07:04.05 | ultraviolet16 | broken enough that I won't want to use it? |
| 07:04.10 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16, depends on what you want to use it for. |
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| 07:04.45 | bunga | ok thanks Azar |
| 07:05.03 | ultraviolet16 | well.. basically what I'll be doing is watching dvd's on it that's the most media intensive thing.. and mostly programming with perl and C and C++ |
| 07:05.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Dudes - don't send 'debian newbies' to #ubuntu, please - we're not a debian support group. :) |
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| 07:05.26 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: for DVDs, either should work. |
| 07:05.33 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: same with programming |
| 07:05.41 | ultraviolet16 | cool, where should I run into problems? |
| 07:05.42 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: If you want to watch WMV files... it won't work on amd64 |
| 07:05.50 | ultraviolet16 | ah ok |
| 07:05.59 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: (b/c they depend on the 32-bit windows DLLs) |
| 07:06.10 | ultraviolet16 | shit man |
| 07:06.18 | ultraviolet16 | well that really sucks |
| 07:06.23 | Flimzy | If you want to use any binary-only 32-bit graphics applications, you may be SOL |
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| 07:06.36 | ultraviolet16 | ? sol? |
| 07:06.37 | Flimzy | (like the Windows DLL files, for instance) |
| 07:06.42 | ultraviolet16 | something out of luck? |
| 07:06.44 | Flimzy | sol = shit outta luck |
| 07:06.45 | ultraviolet16 | shit out of luck. o |
| 07:06.48 | ultraviolet16 | gotcha |
| 07:06.49 | qwer | hi |
| 07:06.57 | Azar | bunga I would recommend you to read APT HOWTO so you learn more tricks about it, since you will be using all the time |
| 07:07.28 | ultraviolet16 | well damn, any good articles that will help me decide to go with 64 or 32 debian? |
| 07:07.42 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html <<< bunga |
| 07:07.54 | bunga | :) |
| 07:07.54 | Azar | ultraviolet16: you talk about the kernels? |
| 07:07.58 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: If in doubt, make a decision and try it |
| 07:08.01 | croddy | ultraviolet16: you will get much more informed answers in #debian-amd64 |
| 07:08.20 | ultraviolet16 | also if I use 32 bit, then how fast will my processor work at, I mean like, if it were a 32 bit chip, what would it clock at? |
| 07:08.22 | ultraviolet16 | wow, there |
| 07:08.25 | croddy | Flimzy: don't answer questions you don't know the answers to |
| 07:08.32 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: it will clock the same. |
| 07:08.32 | ultraviolet16 | there's an amd64 channel.. |
| 07:08.40 | Flimzy | croddy: Thanks. I'll keep that in mind |
| 07:08.40 | bunga | Azar i still have problem |
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| 07:08.47 | bunga | see my link |
| 07:08.48 | bunga | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1605 |
| 07:08.50 | Azar | bunga: what problem? |
| 07:08.52 | Azar | ok |
| 07:09.21 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: You *can* run 32bit applications on a 64-bit install, if you run a chroot. And that makes it a lot more flexible, but there are still some limitations--most notably with graphics applications |
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| 07:09.45 | croddy | Flimzy: stop answering amd64 questions |
| 07:09.50 | bunga | apt-key list on http://channels.debian.net/paste/1606 |
| 07:09.52 | Flimzy | croddy: Stop bothering me. |
| 07:09.58 | ultraviolet16 | ... |
| 07:10.02 | ultraviolet16 | i'm confused now |
| 07:10.08 | croddy | ultraviolet16: flimzy is giving you a lot of false info. |
| 07:10.09 | Flimzy | amd64 is not OT here |
| 07:10.13 | Flimzy | croddy: BS |
| 07:10.20 | ultraviolet16 | shit man.. |
| 07:11.01 | Azar | bunga this is incorrect: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main non-free contrib |
| 07:11.04 | croddy | ultraviolet16: currently the only limitations with debian amd64 are that 1) some packages can't be ported yet and 2) things like java and flash need to be run from a chroot or with a 32-bit browser |
| 07:11.07 | Flimzy | ultraviolet16: My advice to you is... Try amd64 if you feel like an adventure. If you prefer the "safe" route... use a 32-bit install |
| 07:11.21 | adlr | hey, so i installed the default sarge kernel yesterday, and today installed kernel-source-2.4.27, and compiled my own kernel module (fuse). and when i insmod fuse i get a bunch of unresolved symbols |
| 07:11.25 | croddy | ultraviolet16: you can unstall ia32 emulation libraries to run most 32-bit applications without hassle, including accelerated 3d apps |
| 07:11.28 | adlr | could it be a kernel binary/source mismatch? |
| 07:11.31 | liable | ultraviolet16: asked in #debian-amd64? |
| 07:11.43 | bunga | Azar so the correct one is ? |
| 07:12.08 | Azar | bunga: this is your last link in /etc/apt/sources.list modyfy it like this: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 07:12.10 | ultraviolet16 | i just did.. |
| 07:12.18 | Flimzy | hrmph. If I don't use the nvidia driver... X starts with a normal lumination |
| 07:12.22 | bunga | ok |
| 07:12.57 | kc | does anyone know how to handle a kernel panic: init not found |
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| 07:13.09 | Flimzy | kc: I think we've been over this already |
| 07:13.17 | shingouz | kc: custom kernel? |
| 07:13.24 | kc | shingouz: yep |
| 07:13.34 | kc | shingouz: familiar on IPAQ |
| 07:14.05 | bunga | Azar no give me more error see http://channels.debian.net/paste/1607 |
| 07:14.08 | kc | shingouz: standard build ,, forced reboot and when the unit awoke it has kernel panic : init not found all over my serial line |
| 07:14.16 | liable | kc: with your system who knows wtf they have done to streamline it, trying to get a debian kernel to work just by copying the kernel image over is bound to fail.. |
| 07:14.19 | shingouz | kc: reconfigure and recompile is what i woud do |
| 07:14.40 | kc | shingouz: I wish I can get to it.. |
| 07:14.44 | bunga | Azar my sources.list on http://channels.debian.net/paste/1608 |
| 07:14.52 | kc | shingouz: if I don't boot it I don't boot it |
| 07:15.07 | kc | shingouz: all I can work on is the boot loader |
| 07:15.37 | shingouz | kc: i am definitely out of my depth now, i do not have an ipaq and i have no clue on how to make them work. sorry |
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| 07:16.13 | Azar | bunga so you still got errors? |
| 07:16.21 | bunga | ya |
| 07:16.28 | kc | why all you guys and girls not having ipaqs are missing SO much ... so many problems ;) |
| 07:16.34 | bunga | my sources.list on http://channels.debian.net/paste/1608 |
| 07:16.34 | Azar | try to run apt-get update again |
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| 07:16.59 | bunga | many err like this Err http://ftp.us.debian.org stable Release |
| 07:16.59 | Azar | I do remember that ftp.us.debian.org used to give me such |
| 07:17.26 | bunga | Err http://security.debian.org stable/non-free Packages |
| 07:17.27 | bunga | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.35 | deadcat | jcwong: what up. xcompmgr and transset in experimental (= |
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| 07:17.42 | liable | no security for non-free |
| 07:18.14 | bunga | ?? |
| 07:18.48 | liable | !non-free |
| 07:18.48 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
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| 07:19.07 | liable | hrm, not as helpfull as i thought.. |
| 07:19.31 | bunga | so Azar ?? |
| 07:20.10 | xerophyte | mkisofs -o image.iso -J -r shorted the big file names. .. how can make the files as its |
| 07:20.22 | Azar | bunga look: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1609 |
| 07:20.41 | Azar | bunga delete all you got and replace with these links |
| 07:20.48 | bunga | ok |
| 07:21.39 | jcwong | deadcat: nah! e17 testing :) |
| 07:21.56 | Azar | liable really? but I still get security there |
| 07:22.21 | Azar | those are my links... liable you think I should remove non-free from the security link? |
| 07:23.16 | liable | xerophyte: -iso-level? |
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| 07:23.39 | liable | Azar: really. ok, i must be mistaken then |
| 07:23.43 | bunga | Azar err again |
| 07:23.45 | bunga | see this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1610 |
| 07:24.23 | hid3 | Morning everyone. I get an error message after I sudo myself: "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" What's wrong? |
| 07:24.40 | zzer | bsd eq to rc.conf in debian? |
| 07:25.17 | Azar | what in earth? I never had Idea one needs a security key to download/install? |
| 07:25.27 | Azar | liable why is he getting those errors/ |
| 07:25.50 | Azar | I just updated/upgraded now with the links samples I gave him and got the sudo security package |
| 07:26.07 | Azar | those kind of errors only in Woody happen |
| 07:26.31 | bunga | soo ??? |
| 07:26.38 | bunga | i'm really dunno |
| 07:26.46 | Azar | hmm holdon bunga |
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| 07:26.53 | liable | dpkg -l apt |
| 07:26.53 | dpkg | ii apt 1.7-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:26.59 | liable | heh |
| 07:27.03 | Azar | trying to figure out what I read there |
| 07:27.15 | liable | bunga: dpkg -l apt |
| 07:27.32 | Azar | that is for bunga, liable? |
| 07:28.11 | liable | Azar: seeing as his name is prefixed.. yeah. |
| 07:28.35 | Azar | :) liable you think his apt is broken? |
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| 07:29.14 | liable | well, sarges apt shouldnt be asking for gpg keys. |
| 07:29.21 | bunga | Azar http://channels.debian.net/paste/1611 |
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| 07:29.48 | bunga | my dpkg -l apt there |
| 07:29.53 | liable | !info apt etch |
| 07:29.53 | Azar | I have no idea what a GPG error or GPG key is I never got such error messages |
| 07:29.59 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.43.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1227 kB, Installed size: 3788 kB |
| 07:30.07 | Woosta | Where would nfs errors be logged on the server? |
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| 07:30.08 | liable | thats not sarges version of apt.. |
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| 07:30.24 | bunga | ?? |
| 07:30.49 | liable | bunga: congrats, you have unstable packages mixed in with your system.. |
| 07:30.53 | muhoo | what's a usable, relatively complete service-monitoring app? |
| 07:30.55 | liable | bunga: re-insall now. |
| 07:30.59 | Azar | oh shit |
| 07:31.03 | bunga | doh |
| 07:31.04 | Azar | reinstall the system? |
| 07:31.08 | Azar | bunga hold on |
| 07:31.12 | bunga | reinstall the system ????? |
| 07:31.24 | bunga | how i can fix that without reinstall the system |
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| 07:31.30 | muhoo | i.e. i want to check a bunch of hosts, ping 'em periodically, send alerts if a machine goes down, etc |
| 07:31.30 | liable | unless you want to fuck with unstable, yes. |
| 07:31.43 | liable | bunga: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 07:31.44 | croddy | muhoo: nagios |
| 07:32.14 | xerophyte | how can i find out my dvd writer /dev/??? .. my dmesg got other stuff ?? |
| 07:32.35 | Azar | before you reinstall, remember: when you install, at "atp" do NOT pick non-US anymore ok? just non-free and contrib if it offers you |
| 07:33.00 | Azar | so the options are: stable, main , non-free, contrib. |
| 07:33.09 | bunga | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1612 |
| 07:33.11 | liable | xerophyte: should be in fstab |
| 07:33.24 | muhoo | croddy: thanks |
| 07:33.35 | liable | bunga: you are running unstable. |
| 07:33.40 | Azar | bunga let me explain slowly: |
| 07:33.45 | xerophyte | liable, not in there |
| 07:33.53 | Azar | bunga somehow your system now runs in an unstable version |
| 07:34.08 | Azar | bunga you have to reinstall and keep in mind the apt options, ok? |
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| 07:34.57 | Azar | bunga, you will never be able to handle an unstable Debian unless ofcourse you know how to fix it |
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| 07:36.26 | Azar | bunga somehow during installation or the fact that you used broken apt sources, made your system go in the unstable version. |
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| 07:38.19 | Azar | bunga is ok to reinstall Debian you get more experience on it |
| 07:38.33 | bunga | blah |
| 07:38.52 | Azar | bunga, you know how many times I reinstalled? over 57 times |
| 07:39.09 | valdyn | bunga: downgrading packages cannot be supported |
| 07:39.13 | liable | bunga: re-install, or learn to live with sid. |
| 07:39.13 | Azar | and I did it happily because I kept making bad installations, so I gained experience |
| 07:39.49 | Azar | liable I do not understand how he got in unstable when all his sources where / stable? |
| 07:40.06 | liable | Azar: prolly before he came here i guess.. |
| 07:40.16 | Azar | yes maybe |
| 07:40.28 | Azar | maybe some gentoobie was guiding him |
| 07:40.44 | bunga | what mean gentoobie ? |
| 07:40.51 | valdyn | !gentoobie |
| 07:40.56 | valdyn | !test |
| 07:40.56 | dpkg | Sorry, valdyn, I didn't get your test. |
| 07:40.59 | Azar | bunga, is just a way of saying things, don't worry |
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| 07:41.19 | bunga | woot |
| 07:41.23 | valdyn | bunga: condescending word for 'gentoo user' |
| 07:42.11 | Azar | bunga you do not worry, install again and be very careful with your choices at installation, Id say better do base only first, don't jump on getting KDE and GNOME... not yet |
| 07:42.48 | liable | wtf? |
| 07:43.05 | Azar | first thing after install , check your /etc/apt/sources.list and put them in order if they need to: / stable main non-free contrib to each if they miss any |
| 07:43.14 | liable | Azar: why? you can only get sid if you purposely change sources list. |
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| 07:43.53 | Azar | liable, sid = / unstable main non-free contrib sarge = / stable main non-free contrib |
| 07:44.02 | Azar | am I right? |
| 07:44.12 | liable | err, yeah.. |
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| 07:45.24 | Azar | bunga you will only want to see in your /etc/apt/sources.list links ending with / stable main non-free contrib never every try get unstable |
| 07:45.56 | Azar | wow news: google gets punished, what a shame |
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| 07:48.59 | tyranix | Azar: punished how? |
| 07:50.41 | anavim | which repo is cl-swank in? |
| 07:50.51 | Guerin | !tell anavim about search |
| 07:50.55 | tyranix | non-free |
| 07:51.03 | anavim | ah |
| 07:51.05 | Azar | some kind of "investigation-revenge" on it from govt for porn searches or stuff |
| 07:51.14 | Azar | then their shares fell in the market |
| 07:51.25 | Azar | thats what it means to say "no" to the govt |
| 07:51.31 | tyranix | Hmm but that's not directly connected. :) That's just investors being silly. |
| 07:51.59 | Azar | read it for yourself: http://news.com.com/2061-10812_3-6029411.html?part=rss&tag=6029411&subj=news |
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| 07:52.41 | xoz | Azar: entire stock market suffered great loss... not just google. |
| 07:52.54 | tyranix | anavim: Last I read, pvaneynd talked about getting slime (and I guess cl-swank) into main by a license clarification upstream. No idea where that went though... |
| 07:53.49 | Azar | xoz yes but just before that, yesterday on the news was about govt beginning aggresive investigations on porn searches on Google |
| 07:53.58 | Azar | it has a "beard" |
| 07:54.06 | Guerin | Azar: but they're going to get lots of beer: http://lists.svlug.org/archives/svlug/2006-January/051904.html |
| 07:54.32 | anavim | tyranix: ok |
| 07:54.35 | Azar | yes indeed, I believe in the end Google will only have to gain |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | even if google lose, they win marketshare |
| 07:54.55 | xoz | Azar: they want to use google resources because google has 12 million people using everyday.. it's not about google... it's to use its service. |
| 07:55.19 | Guerin | by being the only search engine who didn't roll over |
| 07:55.26 | tyranix | Azar: Yeah, but that's not caused by the government. That's just investors being silly and overreacting to google saying no. |
| 07:55.36 | Azar | what a chance for cheering from the BellSouth.. after being rejected as well by Google |
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| 07:56.06 | xoz | read the *context* well... what the gov is doing is anti-privacy. |
| 07:56.10 | Azar | tyranix: I tend to believe the govt has a hand in the markets as well.. |
| 07:56.39 | xoz | oh well, what is privacy nowadays :) |
| 07:57.52 | tyranix | Azar: sure, I agree with that. But ultimately it's the investors that make the decision. And investors are influenced by the government's threat to get a court order. |
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| 07:59.10 | Azar | tyranix: the only way I tend to think of investors getting scared is that Google shares went to high and they feared a bubble burst |
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| 08:00.24 | tyranix | Azar: hmmm but why would they think that now? Hasn't google been doing very well? |
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| 08:01.36 | Flimzy | Did the name of the nvidia kernel sources package change after version 7176? |
| 08:01.56 | Azar | tyranix, is the elementary gravitation law: what goes up must go down |
| 08:02.10 | tyranix | I think investors essentially heard "google is refusing to help the government" instead of the more accurate "google is refusing to get involved in a fishing expedition to revive a silly law that was struck down as unconstitutional once already." :) |
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| 08:02.28 | Azar | nobody knows how high the shares will go eventually one day will come down, so investors sell when they think it got "too high" |
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| 08:03.21 | tyranix | Azar: Hmmmm not always the case in the short term (eventually it will happen sure). Look at Warren Buffet's company. That thing just keeps going up and up over time. Too bad it's insanely expensive now. :) Timing the market is hard. I think they just overreacted. |
| 08:03.36 | Azar | hmm this sounds silly for an advice: Firefox option: "Don't allow sites that have set removed cookies to set future cookies" hmm |
| 08:04.13 | Azar | tyranix, I tend to think is an overall Iran effect on all markets |
| 08:04.17 | tyranix | Why's that silly? I think it means if you deliberately delete a site's cookie, then refuse to let it set one in the future. |
| 08:04.40 | Azar | tyranix, some sites will not give you access without accepting cookies |
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| 08:06.23 | RobinL | does anybody know how to replace gtk textbox widgets with a widget which has an external editor in it so you can, for example, use vim in GAIM to send messages, i mean you can use vim editing. |
| 08:07.19 | vrok_ | I'm wondering what those numbers in filenames in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ mean, does anybody know? |
| 08:07.52 | xoz | vrok_: order |
| 08:08.09 | vrok_ | mhm |
| 08:08.10 | xoz | like in /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:08.51 | Azar | hm I only see 70debconf there |
| 08:08.59 | vrok_ | xoz: but can I use any number in my app? |
| 08:09.31 | vrok_ | I'm hacking an app with libapt-pkg, and it would be nice to have APT conf. file |
| 08:09.41 | xoz | 70debconf 90debsums 90med-common 99-localepurge in my case |
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| 08:10.30 | Azar | I think I said it before here, KDE flaws put Linux, Unix systems at risk << fresh article |
| 08:10.33 | xoz | vrok_: read the policy to avoid breaking it. |
| 08:10.52 | tyranix | I have: 10apt-listbugs 20listchanges 70debconf 90debsums |
| 08:10.57 | xoz | debian is all about following *policy* |
| 08:11.51 | Jake_ | hrmmmm... i need a a dns service, whats the go these days? bind? does the latest version need to be placed within a chroot jail?? |
| 08:12.16 | tyranix | Azar: You don't use apt-listchanges or apt-listbugs? You should look into them especially if you run testing or unstable. :) Shows you the open grave+ bugs and displays the changelogs before you upgrade. |
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| 08:13.02 | xoz | tyranix: how many times did it stop you from upgrading? |
| 08:13.17 | xoz | tyranix: or even really addressing the problem? |
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| 08:14.12 | starscalling | well |
| 08:14.12 | tyranix | Azar: Back when I used to run all unstable, it saved me a couple times from installing packages that would have bad consequences. Especially programs that people use immediately after upgrading. Those types of bugs get filed between the time the packages updated and when I ran upgrade. |
| 08:14.13 | Azar | tyranix, no, I just use the regular updating/upgrading, my system is very simple configured, no kde, no gnome.. just openbox |
| 08:14.14 | starscalling | sids faaaaast hehe |
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| 08:14.27 | starscalling | no real problems getting it installed.. just had to make one directory heh |
| 08:14.48 | Azar | I am running stable as I do not have much time tinkering with stuff |
| 08:14.57 | starscalling | ah |
| 08:15.04 | starscalling | im running sid and etch on this one |
| 08:15.10 | nipplesrulz | xp and ubuntu on this one |
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| 08:15.16 | tyranix | Azar: ahh okay. Yeah I switched to a mostly testing with a few unstable because it was taking too much time to fix stuff. |
| 08:15.21 | starscalling | >:P |
| 08:15.28 | starscalling | hmm |
| 08:15.41 | starscalling | i have all the stuff i really need except updateing codecs i think |
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| 08:16.27 | Azar | Jake see if you get the right manual for your needs: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
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| 08:21.46 | Flimzy | Grrr! Has anyone experienced the nvidia drivers causing the display to go 95% dark when starting X? |
| 08:22.20 | Azar | :) this article is really juicy tyranix: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/gonzales_vs_google/ |
| 08:22.30 | tyranix | Azar: Hopefully this link works: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BRK-A&t=my I'm curious what will happen to that when Buffet dies. I have serious doubts that it will stay at that high of a level... |
| 08:22.34 | Azar | Filmzy, no |
| 08:23.01 | Guerin | Flimzy: #nvidia |
| 08:23.07 | Azar | Google claims the information on how many searches are made each day is a trade secret. - makes me smile |
| 08:23.15 | Guerin | Flimzy: this is a free software channel |
| 08:23.15 | Flimzy | Guerin: Yeah, I'll ask them again when there's somebody there, too. |
| 08:23.36 | Flimzy | Guerin: Actually, I believe this is a Debian channel. |
| 08:23.55 | Guerin | Flimzy: yup. And nvidia drivers aren't in debian. |
| 08:24.07 | Flimzy | Guerin: Well, I got them from ftp.debian.org. |
| 08:24.13 | Flimzy | that's close enough for me. |
| 08:24.15 | Guerin | Flimzy: no, you didn't |
| 08:24.18 | Flimzy | Indeed I did. |
| 08:24.25 | Guerin | a script did for you |
| 08:24.28 | Flimzy | Nope. |
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| 08:24.45 | Flimzy | I ftped to ftp.debian.org myself... and got them from there. |
| 08:24.46 | SimonRaven | thing |
| 08:24.53 | Guerin | oh. |
| 08:24.54 | Flimzy | didn't even use apt-get |
| 08:24.58 | kelmo_lap | hi cheal |
| 08:25.03 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 08:25.03 | tyranix | Azar: Hmm I'm not sure I agree with that site. I'm not a google fan (if they do good, that's nice. If they don't, I'll call them out. :) but I think google saying it is a trade secret is a way of getting the DoJ off their back rather than saying something more negative. |
| 08:25.03 | SimonRaven | means nothing |
| 08:25.18 | Guerin | well, it's still non-free, and can't really be helped in here |
| 08:25.42 | Flimzy | Guerin: I respect your opinion, but my personal experience disagrees with you. I've gotten lots of help w/ nvidia drivers on this channel bbefore. |
| 08:26.02 | Azar | Filmzy getting nvidia drivers from outside debian, is not good |
| 08:26.03 | Flimzy | Guerin: And if I were a betting man, I'd say I probably will again before I die. |
| 08:26.09 | Flimzy | Azar: I got them from debian. |
| 08:26.10 | Guerin | Flimzy: I've gotten lots of advice regarding beer on thic channel, but that don't make beer ontopic. |
| 08:26.30 | Flimzy | Guerin: When you can get beer from ftp.debian.org, then it's on topic. |
| 08:26.35 | Azar | Filmzy, is not only a matter of "getting" them, is a matter of also installing and configuring the debian way |
| 08:26.50 | Flimzy | Azar: Yes, I know that. I've installed the nvidia drivers on many a system, with much success. |
| 08:27.10 | Flimzy | Azar: But I've never encounterd _this_ problem before. |
| 08:27.26 | tyranix | Wasn't there talk before about moving non-free off of debian.org servers? |
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| 08:27.42 | Azar | Filmzy, we all know debian and linux are open source, and drivers like nvidia are commercial, closed source. sometimes installation borks |
| 08:27.42 | Flimzy | tyranix: Probably. |
| 08:27.43 | Guerin | Flimzy: my only point is that this isn't an issue that debian can help with. The drivers themselves are unsupportable here. The packaging is, but that's patently not what's causing the issue. |
| 08:27.55 | Guerin | tyranix: yeah, there was. |
| 08:28.12 | paivakil | how do I know if a .deb file downloaded by apt (and in /var/cache/apt/archives/) is corrupted or not? |
| 08:28.36 | xoz | paivakil: md5 |
| 08:28.43 | paivakil | I am getting some errors while downloading them, and want to rule out file corruption while downloading |
| 08:28.48 | tyranix | Azar: Wow, I didn't hear this part before: "The Feds had asked for Google's entire database". Wow, that's insane! |
| 08:28.56 | Guerin | paivakil: if you can open it with ar x file.deb, it's not corrupted |
| 08:28.57 | Azar | yep |
| 08:29.01 | Flimzy | Guerin: And my point is... It's a topic that other users of Debian are _very_ likely to be able to help with. And even if that isn't completely 100% "on topic" by some definitions, it is certianly close enough to ask about it here. |
| 08:29.13 | Azar | that why I think that article explains more than the regular gossip online |
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| 08:29.23 | paivakil | xoz: Guerin thanks |
| 08:29.34 | Flimzy | Guerin: Strictly speaking, most "problems" people have with Debian software aren't _Debian_ problems anyway. |
| 08:29.35 | Guerin | Flimzy: we're arguing at cross purposes - I'm not trying to forbid you, i'm just saying you're not likely to get much help. |
| 08:30.02 | Flimzy | Guerin: If only strictly Debian-related issues were discussed here, we'd only ever talk about package management. |
| 08:30.08 | Azar | Filmzy, I have had issues with nvidia drivers before, on Debian, but since I learned the steps of HOWTO in debian, the nvidia one liner did it for me like a charm |
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| 08:30.19 | Flimzy | Guerin: And I hope you've been here long enough to know that's hardly the case :) |
| 08:30.41 | DaveLib | hello, i am running sarge for about a month. my only trouble has been trying to add (with synaptic) a couple of packages from testing and sid |
| 08:30.42 | Guerin | Flimzy: and debian changes, and porting issues, and library versioning issues, and the many various sundries which are built into programs by the maintainers. |
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| 08:31.10 | Azar | DaveLib: sounds like a harakiri |
| 08:31.15 | Guerin | i have a very simple one-step fix for every single nvidia problem there is: don't use it. |
| 08:31.15 | tyranix | hehe |
| 08:31.18 | Flimzy | Guerin: Very well. And I am continuing to explore other avenues for an answer as well. Rest assured that I am not relying soley on this channel to solve my issue (I rarely do that--even when the issue *is* 100% Debian specific) |
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| 08:31.33 | DaveLib | hmm yes the trouble has been library versions |
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| 08:31.44 | Azar | Filmzy: Guerin is very good when he wants to: he is an original |
| 08:31.57 | Guerin | Azar: Flimzy and I go back a fair while |
| 08:32.09 | Azar | DaveLib: I would assume you are not running sarge anymore since you fiddled with testing and sid packages? |
| 08:32.17 | Guerin | unless this is someone new with the same nick |
| 08:32.20 | DaveLib | my synaptic preferences are set to : testing |
| 08:32.24 | Flimzy | Guerin: Do we? |
| 08:32.28 | Azar | :) then Guerin, I am glad to hear that, enjoy one another |
| 08:32.37 | Flimzy | I've been using this nick on this channel for... eh.... 5-6 years |
| 08:32.40 | Guerin | Flimzy: I remember YOU, even if you don't remember me. |
| 08:32.47 | Guerin | right, precisely. |
| 08:32.50 | DaveLib | azar: i am still running sarge the 2 packages i wanted to try were isolated packages |
| 08:32.57 | Azar | DaveLib: then you are not running sarge anymore, if you want to run sarge, you have to re-install |
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| 08:33.05 | DaveLib | azar: and i didnt manage to install those 2 packages |
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| 08:33.24 | Azar | DaveLib: oh then your system is smart: is protecting you |
| 08:33.45 | DaveLib | ok but i am wondering if it is possible to get those few packages in |
| 08:34.01 | Azar | DaveLib: apt is managing dependencies, and if some packages does not meet criteria for dependency, well then it will not be installed.. |
| 08:34.11 | DaveLib | azar: yes i am presentingl\still in my original sarge it is uncorrupted |
| 08:34.32 | Azar | DaveLib: so you think your system might be borked? |
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| 08:35.05 | DaveLib | i think my system is ok the basic sarge system it is just that i was hoping to also try those 2 other packages |
| 08:35.13 | DaveLib | i dont have them installed yet |
| 08:35.42 | DaveLib | my insatallation attempts i aborted without finally doing anything ie installing the non-sarge packages |
| 08:35.44 | Azar | DaveLib: I am a newbie but one thing I learned here: unlike mswindows, in Debian you can't start showering with all the goodies and gadget software from around the net: the Stable version only allows you what is on its archives. On Debian archives that is |
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| 08:36.22 | DaveLib | well i was getting those packages from the debian repositories but the testing and sid parts |
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| 08:36.24 | Azar | DaveLib: with Debian you still can download install anything you want but you will have to run a "testing" version or the "unstable" and fix issues on your own |
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| 08:36.59 | DaveLib | so i will tell you a bit more detail about what happened in those aborted installations |
| 08:37.01 | Azar | DaveLib: I do not know how to get along with portage , experienced users do |
| 08:37.12 | xoz | Azar: even stable has more than 15000 packages |
| 08:37.26 | DaveLib | ahh portage? is that in debian? |
| 08:37.27 | Azar | xoz, yep I got all my heart desired with stable |
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| 08:37.36 | Azar | !portage |
| 08:37.36 | dpkg | portage is probably the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python |
| 08:37.44 | Azar | hmm |
| 08:37.51 | DaveLib | xoz: the 2 packages i wanted were celestia (astronomy) and tomboy |
| 08:37.53 | recens | greetings |
| 08:38.06 | DaveLib | hello recens |
| 08:38.25 | recens | I'm so proud of myself |
| 08:38.27 | xerophyte | why doesn't they upgrade the screen ???/ |
| 08:38.32 | recens | got this to work but semi secure |
| 08:38.36 | xerophyte | GnuScreen |
| 08:38.37 | DaveLib | anyway celestia and tomboy celestia is great i dont think there is anything like it in the 15000 stable packages |
| 08:39.09 | DaveLib | i compliled and installed celestia in my previous suse system |
| 08:39.25 | DaveLib | but since suse i saw the light ans switched to debian :-) |
| 08:39.36 | recens | nothing but debian =D |
| 08:39.47 | recens | i keep comeing back |
| 08:39.49 | DaveLib | so i did see celestia running and it is great |
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| 08:40.04 | Azar | DaveLib: there is some possibility to get packages not listed in stable but I do not know how... I read here people talking about |
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| 08:40.08 | DaveLib | quit your jobs and just stay home inside allo the time: running clestia :-) |
| 08:40.28 | recens | wtf is celestia |
| 08:40.54 | Azar | DaveLib: you could try going up in "testing" I guess it can't be so bad... only don't know if you get security updates with it |
| 08:41.03 | xoz | isnt it obvious? |
| 08:41.15 | recens | oh damn, how can I run a security update? |
| 08:41.27 | DaveLib | yes azar: i saw in some documentation about debian you can set your main preference to testing and install isolated packages from beyond testing |
| 08:41.41 | Azar | recens, just run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade every week or so |
| 08:41.53 | recens | ty |
| 08:41.58 | xoz | !pinning |
| 08:41.59 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 08:41.59 | DaveLib | but you main installs are to stay in testing so you mix the distros a bit |
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| 08:42.23 | RobinL | does anybody know how to replace gtk textbox widgets with a widget which has an external editor in it so you can, for example, use vim in GAIM to send messages, i mean you can use vim editing. |
| 08:42.41 | DaveLib | recens: celestia is an astonomy program you see on screen the stars and planets |
| 08:42.52 | DaveLib | and you can fly between them etc |
| 08:43.07 | recens | ty again |
| 08:43.15 | DaveLib | fly outside the milky way and so on |
| 08:43.43 | DaveLib | xoz: no just amateur interest |
| 08:44.00 | xoz | DaveLib: got a telescope? |
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| 08:44.16 | DaveLib | no well basically no |
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| 08:44.36 | DaveLib | at a garage sale i bought a kids telescope for $3 or something |
| 08:44.42 | xoz | DaveLib: is use the telescope not to look up..:) |
| 08:44.58 | xoz | s/is// |
| 08:45.15 | felix_ | hi, is there a way to recover the partition table from the disk? win-xp wiped my logical partition with linux on it, it is now type-15-unknown, i misconfigured grub |
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| 08:45.27 | Azar | DaveLib: Porting is the act of building Debian packages for architectures that are different from the original architecture of the package maintainer's binary package. It is a unique and essential activity. |
| 08:45.38 | tyranix | DaveLib: If you want to try it, this is probably how you do it (I haven't tried this method. I run a mixed system but in a different way: I use testing and only get unstable if there isn't a testing by the same name): http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 08:46.02 | DaveLib | anyway i tryied my install and it said other packages to install ie syntatic said... |
| 08:46.08 | Azar | DaveLib: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html |
| 08:46.13 | recens | added celestia to my "look into" list |
| 08:46.17 | tyranix | DaveLib: Looking at celestia, it has quite a few dependencies. And it is only available in unstable. So that could turn into a big headache if you have to upgrade lots of libraries (and break/upgrade other packages that depend on those libraries). |
| 08:46.25 | DaveLib | ahh thx tyranix and azar those 2 urls |
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| 08:46.28 | Azar | scroll down to past middle there you get porter instruction |
| 08:47.24 | DaveLib | yese tyranix: synatic was at one point giving my the option to continue by upgrading all osrtts of other packagesd |
| 08:47.24 | xoz | DaveLib: install auto-apt... good helper during building... |
| 08:47.54 | DaveLib | i was afraid to continue that accepting all those upgrades would do what you said tyranix |
| 08:48.01 | DaveLib | so i aborted the install |
| 08:48.07 | tyranix | DaveLib: You will probably have to do that with any method. Celestia depends on a lot of packages that are new and require unstable versions. |
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| 08:48.35 | DaveLib | is it possible to have 2 versions of a library sitting side by side in debian |
| 08:48.51 | DaveLib | and each pthjer package uses whichever 1 it wanted |
| 08:49.37 | DaveLib | i noticed a lot of the library files have versioning #'s in the file name |
| 08:49.46 | tyranix | DaveLib: Sure if they have different sonames. IMHO you're asking for trouble if you install those two packages. :) It looks okay to install those, but their dependencies are where your problems are going to lie. |
| 08:50.08 | DaveLib | yeah |
| 08:50.10 | tyranix | well that and if they don't conflict. Sometimes newer library versions will explicitly conflict on older versions. |
| 08:50.38 | DaveLib | hey maybe i should make a newe partyition and just install an entire testing debian |
| 08:51.03 | tyranix | And there was a C++ transition (required name changes) so you may run into that. |
| 08:51.04 | xoz | DaveLib: debbootrap |
| 08:51.22 | DaveLib | geez tho tomboy and celestia are diff distros |
| 08:51.31 | DaveLib | xoz: ? |
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| 08:51.47 | xoz | DaveLib: you can debootstrap to install chrootd testing |
| 08:51.56 | DaveLib | ahhh |
| 08:52.12 | DaveLib | wow yeah i heard abt that chroot stuff |
| 08:52.52 | DaveLib | you mean like put an entire debian testing in a subdirectory inside my sarge? |
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| 08:53.34 | DaveLib | tho tomboy and celestia are graphical programs they want to open X windows |
| 08:54.02 | xoz | DaveLib: you can run xclient from chroot to your X server also |
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| 08:54.14 | zzer | debhelper: whats the rc.conf eq on debian? |
| 08:55.17 | DaveLib | xoz: chrooted client to X server: is that a special procedure |
| 08:55.22 | SimonRaven | !rc.local |
| 08:55.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 08:56.15 | SimonRaven | debhelper is a bot... |
| 08:56.25 | xoz | DaveLib: just export the authority to chrooted dir |
| 08:56.29 | DaveLib | when i heard about chroot i mounted into debian my suse partition and tryied to run a prgram from there chrooted |
| 08:57.35 | DaveLib | xoz: i dont know that that means export the authority: is there somewhere to start on backgrnd documentation for that? |
| 08:57.36 | xoz | DaveLib: ive done that... run suse xclient to debian X server... not much difference. |
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| 08:57.57 | xoz | DaveLib: you can google running X in chroot |
| 08:58.05 | tyranix | DaveLib: chroot isn't entirely separate. All a chroot does is tells the process effectively "hey, instead of the real /, you should treat /whatever/here/there as /". So if they depend on different library versions etc then you'll have problems. |
| 08:58.22 | DaveLib | xoz: ok when i tried it naively not knowing what i was doing i got some error mesage: cant contact X server or something |
| 08:58.31 | zzer | SimonRaven: ok new on deb as in #debian, ok am from bsd, let say i dont want to run httpd deamon on boot deb, whats /etc/rc.conf eq on debian? |
| 08:58.52 | tyranix | zzer: Use update-rc.d to remove it. |
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| 08:59.39 | xoz | DaveLib: because you need X .Authority in you real home to be merged with the Xauthority in you chroot home so that the client inside chroot has access permission to your X.. you can also allow access through xhost which is security risk. |
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| 09:02.54 | xoz | DaveLib: you can use xauth to merge .Xauthority from real root homedir to your chroot homedir |
| 09:02.59 | zzer | tyorke: like this (got problems with hal) http://pastebin.com/515850 |
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| 09:04.03 | DaveLib | xoz: so i can find out more by man xauth ? |
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| 09:05.04 | Guerin | !service |
| 09:05.08 | Guerin | !services |
| 09:05.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 09:05.14 | Guerin | zzer: ^ |
| 09:05.23 | xoz | DaveLib: yep... or you can just copy you .Xauthority from you homedir to your chroot... important is your client has the proper authority permission relative to the context its running which is inside chroot. |
| 09:05.44 | tyranix | hmmm looking at zzer's pastebin, did they change the way update-rc.d works? I remember when it would refuse to remove symlinks unless you either: 1) Used -f or 2) removed the script from /etc/init.d. |
| 09:05.54 | eegore | any word on packages getting up dated in etch and the missing ones added? |
| 09:06.02 | DaveLib | hey i could make subdirs say /testing/ and /sid/ and mount those to partitions where i do the other debian installs |
| 09:06.16 | DaveLib | and put my other packages in those installs |
| 09:06.22 | Guerin | eegore: /msg dpkg why is package not in testing? |
| 09:06.48 | DaveLib | and then make an alais in my sarge to do the chroot exeq of those packages |
| 09:07.00 | eegore | I signed up for th emailing list on a few that I want\ |
| 09:07.01 | DaveLib | s/alais/alias |
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| 09:07.19 | xoz | DaveLib: make sure chroot runs properly in those subdirs.. it should be a complete system by itself... |
| 09:07.42 | eegore | I could use allien to crowbar them but they may break in the process |
| 09:07.47 | DaveLib | yeah i guess i hafta do full installs of testing ans sid |
| 09:08.02 | tyranix | DaveLib: Wait, why? |
| 09:08.07 | xoz | DaveLib: debootstrap will do it easily |
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| 09:08.26 | tyranix | DaveLib: You could use either a mixed testing/unstable or just unstable. You don't need full installs of both. |
| 09:08.32 | DaveLib | ok debootstrap? |
| 09:09.06 | DaveLib | ahh good pont tyranix: sid only |
| 09:09.18 | DaveLib | s/pont/point |
| 09:09.27 | Guerin | eegore: build your own backports |
| 09:09.35 | Guerin | eegore: never use alien, ever, for any reason. |
| 09:09.51 | xoz | DaveLib: this advice is to let you use stable without messing testing/stable... and still play with your celestia and testing/sid inside chroot. you can just erase that chroot and still your real system is not affected. |
| 09:09.53 | _Bradd_ | hey guys.. I'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 09:09.58 | tyranix | eegore: Go to http://packages.qa.debian.org/<package-name> and look under "testing status". That will tell you 1) Which bugs are preventing it from entering testing or 2) How long it has until it hits testing. |
| 09:10.04 | Guerin | _Bradd_: congratulations. |
| 09:10.14 | _Bradd_ | whats the equiv source code file I need |
| 09:10.18 | DaveLib | yes xoz that sounds like a good plan |
| 09:10.20 | tyranix | Guerin: haha |
| 09:10.22 | _Bradd_ | (so I can compile nvidias drivers) |
| 09:10.27 | Guerin | _Bradd_: kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 09:10.39 | _Bradd_ | ok, thanks |
| 09:10.49 | zzer | tyorke: then if i dont want apache to startup ...i may rm -rf /etc/rc.d/apache script safetly? |
| 09:11.06 | Guerin | _Bradd_: copy /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp to /srcdir/.config if you want to use it |
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| 09:11.24 | _Bradd_ | I shall.. thanks again |
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| 09:11.47 | tyranix | zzer: You can remove /etc/init.d/apache (there is no rc.d). But you don't need to if the symlinks are gone. |
| 09:12.05 | zzer | tyorke: ok |
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| 09:12.30 | xoz | file-rc has saner way to manage those symlinks |
| 09:13.02 | Azar | wow proshield ran 13 upgrades since Dec 1 2005 |
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| 09:13.04 | eegore | 23 bugs to resolve |
| 09:13.13 | tyranix | xoz: file-rc? You mean update-rc.d? |
| 09:13.24 | xoz | !info file-rc |
| 09:13.32 | liable | zzer: dpkg-reconfigure apache asks if you want it to start at boot.. |
| 09:13.40 | Guerin | actually |
| 09:13.47 | Guerin | you should leave one symlink in place |
| 09:13.51 | zzer | liable: ok |
| 09:14.01 | eegore | no testing version |
| 09:14.05 | xoz | dpkg, are you dead? |
| 09:14.16 | Guerin | else when you reinstall the package, or upgrade, or whatever, the package will install all new links and it'll start on boot again |
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| 09:14.45 | DaveLib | i have celestia installed in another partition under suse same hd as the partion with my current debian |
| 09:14.46 | dpkg | file-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.7 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 09:14.55 | xoz | tyranix: apt-cache show file-rc |
| 09:14.56 | tyranix | zzer: Sometimes you can edit /etc/default/<program> and tell it not to run. I wish more packages used that... |
| 09:15.06 | DaveLib | can i do the chroot trick to run that celestia from debian |
| 09:15.13 | tyranix | xoz: okay, thanks. I hadn't heard of that. |
| 09:15.19 | Azar | ok I have a question before going to bed: its been long I have struggled with my nvidia card driver installation, so in a final, four months ago liable showed me how to do a nvidia one liner, and it worked like a charm, everytime. My question is: why now most of the helpers here somewhat do not recommend nvidia one liner anymore? what happened ? |
| 09:15.42 | xoz | tyranix: file-rc uses a file where you can list those you want to be loaded... just one file list. |
| 09:15.44 | JohnQPublic | how can i get the directory colored? ls --color=auto doesn't work. does anybody have a solution? |
| 09:15.45 | DaveLib | instead of reinstalling celestia under a new debian sid |
| 09:15.52 | jonas3 | lol: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6031070369 |
| 09:16.48 | xoz | DaveLib: just install base sid... and apt-get install celestia... |
| 09:16.50 | _Bradd_ | is there an nvidia driver how-to for deb stable?? I installed kernel source but nvidia complains of there not being a '...include/linux/version.h' any ideas? |
| 09:16.51 | zzer | tyorke: ok looks like /etc/defaults its what i want |
| 09:17.12 | Guerin | JohnQPublic: ls --color=yes |
| 09:17.13 | tyranix | JohnQPublic: Ummm what's your terminal set to? 'echo $TERM'. --color=auto will only use color if it detects a terminal that supports color. |
| 09:17.14 | liable | _Bradd_: install kernel headers |
| 09:17.22 | _Bradd_ | ok |
| 09:17.22 | Guerin | JohnQPublic: you don't want to set that as an alias, though |
| 09:17.32 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 09:17.33 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:17.33 | liable | _Bradd_: and please remove the leading _ from your nick. |
| 09:17.44 | xoz | DaveLib: less than 500 meg. because you wont need X server inside chroot |
| 09:17.54 | DaveLib | ahh ok xoz |
| 09:18.09 | liable | Bradd: thankyou. |
| 09:18.18 | Bradd | no probs |
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| 09:18.31 | DaveLib | hey and in ther future any other packages i want to try can go into that same sid install |
| 09:18.33 | xoz | DaveLib: but you can also compile celestia which would really mess your libs in the real root |
| 09:18.54 | xoz | DaveLib: chroot sid/ and apt-get install from there |
| 09:19.02 | tyranix | zzer: Oh, you'll probably want openbsd-inetd. I don't know why, but Linux's inetd won't let you listen on only localhost. Drove me nuts until I found openbsd-inetd. :) |
| 09:19.05 | DaveLib | it sounds safer to protect my original sarge install |
| 09:19.20 | xoz | DaveLib: yep and you can play with sid/testing |
| 09:19.29 | DaveLib | sounds great! |
| 09:19.32 | zzer | tyorke: alright |
| 09:19.43 | DaveLib | not just tomboy and celestia but anthing else later |
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| 09:20.28 | DaveLib | so /sid/ will mount to a new partittion where i install debian sid ? |
| 09:20.32 | xoz | DaveLib: there are some details you must know like you must mount your /proc to your /chroot/proc so that your chroot can access the hardware/kernel info in /proc of your real server |
| 09:20.44 | JohnQPublic | Guerin: thx. i would like to set it as alias. the .bashrc suggested --color=auto but it doesn't work. however --color=yes works.....Thx |
| 09:20.52 | Azar | JohnQPublic: learn Aliases: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html |
| 09:21.03 | DaveLib | ok xoz |
| 09:21.58 | Guerin | JohnQPublic: yeah. You should try to figure out why color=auto doesn't work |
| 09:22.09 | xoz | DaveLib: not really in a new partition... you can just create a directory big enough to run sid... debootstrap sid <directory> |
| 09:22.43 | DaveLib | i dont have a man page on debootstrap |
| 09:23.09 | xoz | DaveLib: sudo man debootsrap... or apt-get install debootstrap first |
| 09:23.14 | Bradd | ok, to build the nvidia drivers I only install 'kernel-headers-*' or both headers and 'kernel-source-*' ?? Then which should I point /usr/src/linux to? |
| 09:23.28 | JohnQPublic | Guerin: i ll try to..... |
| 09:23.28 | threat | hey |
| 09:23.32 | threat | is it fine if I idle here? |
| 09:23.33 | xoz | DaveLib: ordinary user has no access to its man |
| 09:23.40 | tyranix | threat: 90% of the people do |
| 09:23.44 | threat | ok great |
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| 09:24.11 | liable | tabasco! |
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| 09:24.53 | tyranix | xoz: Hmmm that's not true on my system. Why would it restrict man page access? |
| 09:25.17 | paistis | is debina good choice to openmosix cluster? |
| 09:25.19 | xoz | tyranix: err, bash_completion is the problem :) |
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| 09:25.48 | crypt_ex | How do I get a list of all the debs installed, similar to rpm -qa? |
| 09:25.55 | damko | dpkg -l |
| 09:25.58 | crypt_ex | ta |
| 09:25.58 | tyranix | ahh :) |
| 09:26.01 | DaveLib | xoz: i just did man debootstrap in a root window nothing |
| 09:26.14 | xoz | DaveLib: apt-get install deboostrap |
| 09:26.22 | xoz | debootstrap |
| 09:26.25 | damko | anyone strong on raid? |
| 09:26.25 | DaveLib | ok thx xoz |
| 09:26.41 | xoz | DaveLib: check spelling... it's quiet confusing to type it. |
| 09:26.59 | damko | i have a strange situation here |
| 09:27.13 | damko | i found that i can create a linear raid |
| 09:27.13 | DaveLib | yeah :-) i looked back at my root window to make sure i didnt misspell the man command :-) |
| 09:27.30 | damko | without using partitions |
| 09:27.39 | xoz | DaveLib: no need to be root. i stand corrected |
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| 09:27.41 | tyranix | xoz: You don't use aptitude either? I remember when sarge was released, everyone (it seemed) said to use aptitude so it would track dependencies. Then there seemed to be a backlash against it (because of bugs?). I still use it ... seems okay to me. :) |
| 09:27.41 | damko | but using all disk instead |
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| 09:28.33 | DaveLib | i used aptitute for my first building up sarge: X etc and then since then synaptic |
| 09:28.37 | zzer | tyorke: http://pastebin.com/515861 if i dont want # Set which daemons to run (papd is dependent upon atalkd): ATALKD_RUN=yes PAPD_RUN=yes |
| 09:28.37 | zzer | CNID_METAD_RUN=yes AFPD_RUN=yes ...that shit on my boot, sure i change that to 'no' ? (i got no clue whats its for ... |
| 09:28.38 | xoz | tyranix: i hate aptitute for covering tasks i supposed to do for more control... apt-get is still my preference |
| 09:29.31 | xoz | or maybe im just used to apt-get. |
| 09:29.33 | DaveLib | xoz: is it ok for me to keep using synatpic? |
| 09:29.45 | crypt_ex | I have a kernel version 2.6.8 installed, is it safe to remove ipchains? |
| 09:29.58 | tyranix | xoz: What do you use to purge the old libraries that aren't used by any package anymore? That's my main reason for using aptitude (and back at sarge release, they said aptitude handled upgrades better ... not sure why because it's just a front end). |
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| 09:30.07 | xoz | DaveLib: just revert to apt-get if synaptic cant answer your needs |
| 09:30.34 | DaveLib | i read in slashdot responding the the interview with the debian project leader that apt aptiotude and syntaptic use different data stores |
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| 09:30.37 | xoz | tyranix: i use feta |
| 09:30.50 | liable | tyranix: deborphan |
| 09:30.53 | DaveLib | and you can get incompatiblilities if you mix them |
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| 09:31.12 | DaveLib | hello grandma |
| 09:31.13 | xoz | tyranix: feta orphan... feta purge-config |
| 09:31.37 | liable | DaveLib: yes apt-get and aptitude use different package state files, synaptic uses apt-gets. |
| 09:31.42 | tyranix | xoz: hmm okay |
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| 09:32.04 | DaveLib | thanks liable |
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| 09:32.39 | [1]shadow98 | hey guys trying to join domain with this command net ads -join -D domain -U administrator |
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| 09:33.33 | [1]shadow98 | i get failed to open /var/lib/samba/secrets.tdb |
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| 09:33.33 | [1]shadow98 | anybody have any ideas |
| 09:34.34 | DaveLib | thanks for your help all |
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| 09:35.37 | K350 | I want ot run Debian as a desktop OS what do you recomend KDE, Gnome..or something else? |
| 09:35.48 | AR | Where i can get lists ftp or http servers for update my distrib? |
| 09:35.53 | hatake_kakashi | K350: depends, do you like kde? |
| 09:35.54 | threat|idle | K350, I like gnome |
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| 09:35.59 | xoz | AR: apt-setup |
| 09:36.05 | tyranix | [1]shadow98: check file/directory permissions. Or maybe you need to create that file first? I don't use samba server... |
| 09:36.06 | liable | K350: if you have hd space, try em all. |
| 09:36.15 | existx | Has anyone installed the 'acidbase' package and had it successfully work? |
| 09:36.18 | K350 | wel I do..but my pc doesn't |
| 09:36.33 | K350 | I've problems wiht both gnome and KDE..the scrreeen doesn takes it.. |
| 09:36.52 | xoz | K350: try them out... that's the thing in GNU debian.... choices are free. |
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| 09:37.07 | K350 | I allways got a very low s reen resolution and if I try to change it ..it crash |
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| 09:37.54 | tyranix | IIRC I used to use debget to retrieve debs as a normal user. Now it won't let me because it needs to use apt-get which requires root level privs. Anyone know of a way to do this with a standard package? |
| 09:38.10 | K350 | do youuse dbbie as a desktop OS? |
| 09:38.21 | AR | xoz: but i can write servers in my /etc/apt/list |
| 09:38.36 | liable | K350: yes |
| 09:38.43 | K350 | do you use KDE or gnome? |
| 09:38.45 | AR | where i can get this lists? |
| 09:39.04 | xoz | AR: debian.org? |
| 09:39.05 | liable | K350: neither. |
| 09:39.15 | K350 | what do you use then? |
| 09:39.27 | AR | xoz: :) I think about this |
| 09:39.34 | xoz | AR: usually, you can just use ftp.<country>.debian.org |
| 09:39.47 | liable | AR: apt-setup has all the official debian mirrors in its database. |
| 09:39.54 | xoz | AR: <country> = us,jp,au, etc |
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| 09:40.30 | tyranix | AR: http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 09:40.36 | K350 | liable: what do you use if not KDE or gnome? |
| 09:40.52 | unlearn | flubox is one |
| 09:41.02 | unlearn | fluxbox i meant |
| 09:41.12 | AR | thanx |
| 09:42.38 | K350 | liable:what did you use did you say? |
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| 09:51.55 | AR | Can You help me: how i can recognizу Vertical refresh of my Monitor |
| 09:52.13 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 09:52.14 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 09:52.16 | Eulex | incredible, 9 minutes of silence |
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| 09:52.34 | marculix | or Superprobe AR |
| 09:52.43 | AR | thnx |
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| 09:53.28 | vipersniper | dpkg: error processing xchat_2.6.1-1_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/xchat.mo', which is also in package xchat-common |
| 09:53.29 | dpkg | vipersniper: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 09:53.46 | vipersniper | what would cause that problem |
| 09:53.54 | streuner | vipersniper: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 09:54.03 | Eulex | vipersniper, exactly what it says is causing it. |
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| 09:56.22 | netman1 | Hi All. Need to run /bin/bash -c 'if [ -f file.txt ] ; then cat file.txt | tr -d '\n' ; echo -n " " ; fi ; echo "sometext"' # Can't get the \n in the tr statement properly escaped/quoted. How do I do that right? |
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| 09:56.53 | vipersniper | Eulex, let me rephrase the question, "how do i fix the problem?" ;) |
| 09:57.37 | Guerin | vipersniper: don't do either of a) use sid; b) use 3rd-party repositories |
| 09:57.41 | Eulex | vipersniper, by uninstalling the old xchat-common and xchat packages first. |
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| 09:58.18 | djp | how do i allow my own user permissions to be given to files created by a script that runs at startup? i have put the script in /etc/init.d/ and run the command sudo update-rc.d bittorrent defaults, on the file. however when it creates files (it is a bittorrent script) the newly created files have root permissions... |
| 09:58.37 | AR | Guerin: but what show the krandrtray programm? |
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| 09:58.48 | Guerin | netman1: /bin/bash -c " |
| 09:59.24 | Guerin | netman1: you should ask #bash, though |
| 09:59.37 | Guerin | AR: i have absolutely no idea what you're on about. |
| 09:59.57 | netman1 | Guerin : Thanks. I know, but #debian is more active and acurate ;-) |
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| 10:00.11 | Guerin | wtf, more accurate than #bash? |
| 10:00.15 | Guerin | you're delusional |
| 10:00.26 | hid3 | After I 'sudo -s' myself, I can't `cd` to my home. I get "bash: cd: HOME not set". What can be wrong? If I'm not uid 0, then I can `cd` sucessfully.. |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | hid3: you probably need to - to pick up root's environment |
| 10:01.01 | vipersniper | Eulex, whats the next step after uninstalling the old programs |
| 10:01.17 | Eulex | vipersniper, installing the new ones :P |
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| 10:01.37 | hid3 | Guerin: but at least yesterday everything worked ok. This began after apt upgraded the sudo package.. |
| 10:02.01 | streuner | vipersniper: why don't you answer my question? |
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| 10:02.13 | streuner | vipersniper: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 10:03.06 | Guerin | hid3: read the changelog |
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| 10:06.15 | tyranix | netman1: You have to escape it better. :) |
| 10:06.16 | djp | can anyone tell me how i get a script to set my user permissions when it is run from /etc/init.d/? |
| 10:06.34 | tyranix | netman1: Use '\\\\n'. |
| 10:06.58 | ben | hello, may someone would tell me the differences between "pure64" and "amd64" ? |
| 10:07.06 | raf256 | I need some libs for my mingw corrsompiler |
| 10:07.08 | raf256 | like boost |
| 10:07.08 | Guerin | ben: #debian-amd64 |
| 10:07.14 | raf256 | how to get them? |
| 10:07.24 | Guerin | !htfswk raf256 |
| 10:07.24 | dpkg | raf256: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:07.29 | crypt_ex | lol |
| 10:07.33 | ben | thx Guerin |
| 10:07.57 | Guerin | djp: use su -c |
| 10:08.04 | raf256 | Guerin: how to get them in debian.. there is package for mingw, there is for boost, but I dont see mingw-boost :/ |
| 10:08.16 | Guerin | raf256: so? |
| 10:08.39 | Guerin | raf256: if the libs exist upstream in source form, build and package them |
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| 10:10.38 | djp | Guerin, thanks |
| 10:11.04 | raf256 | Guerin: I hoped someone made create and mantain ready to use .deb fo that, well nevermind |
| 10:11.10 | bouma | hi guys, i have a small 2gig hdd could it fit debian ?? |
| 10:11.30 | Eulex | bouma, sure it can |
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| 10:11.49 | bouma | how would you start from xp to install debian on a 2gig hdd? |
| 10:11.58 | bouma | i want X but no desktop |
| 10:12.02 | bouma | twm is fine |
| 10:12.08 | Eulex | lol |
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| 10:12.12 | pureone | fluxbox :) |
| 10:12.21 | nanodude | hello? |
| 10:12.40 | tonix | hi guys, i got an ibm server Xseries with 3 scsi disk on raid 5(hardware). Can i add 3 more scsi disk to the raid 5 array? thanks |
| 10:12.40 | deadcat | 2gig you can install more than twm (= |
| 10:12.42 | bouma | hello?? |
| 10:13.05 | bouma | well i would take haskell and some kind of opengl bindings |
| 10:13.07 | azeem | bouma: download the netinst iso, boot it, install |
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| 10:13.20 | azeem | bouma: apt-get install the other stuff you like |
| 10:13.23 | nanodude | do any of you nice people know how the hell to get ipod linux on the nano |
| 10:13.37 | Eulex | *just stopped laughing* bouma, burn the cd in xp, boot it, install, don't choose the desktop package as it include gnome. |
| 10:13.47 | linuxfreck | tonix: the manual of your hardware raid controller should tell you. in theory, it is possible |
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| 10:14.12 | DR3AD | say hecan anyone help me with a weird x problem? |
| 10:14.33 | Eulex | *includes |
| 10:14.34 | liable | !+find aclocal |
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| 10:14.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:14.36 | deadcat | DR3AD: try using a hacksaw |
| 10:14.44 | azeem | DR3AD: just tell us your problem |
| 10:14.47 | azeem | deadcat: huh? |
| 10:14.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aclocal' (6 of 18): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8) in devel/automake1.8 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.9) in devel/automake1.9 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.7) in devel/automake1.7 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.4) in devel/automake1.4 ;; (/usr/share/vdkb2/res/aclocal.m4) in devel/vdkbuilder2 ;; (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus/aclocal.m4) in news/gnus. |
| 10:14.56 | nanodude | to the general public: is there a way to install linux on a nano? |
| 10:15.11 | deadcat | azeem: well i was guessing his question and the answer to that was a hacksaw (= |
| 10:15.11 | nanodude | if so please enlighten me...please |
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| 10:15.29 | azeem | deadcat: was that helpful? |
| 10:15.30 | deadcat | nanodude: nano ipod? |
| 10:15.35 | DR3AD | i have just insi have just installed sarge, but i have a 7800gtx, i have a 7800gtx and just installed sarge, x wont configure |
| 10:15.37 | tyranix | deadcat: Is there ever a case when a hacksaw isnt't a valid answer? :) |
| 10:15.42 | nanodude | ipod nano |
| 10:15.47 | deadcat | azeem: if the question has to do with hacksaw yes |
| 10:15.51 | DR3AD | lol |
| 10:15.55 | deadcat | tyranix: heheh |
| 10:15.57 | SupraX | nanodude: I think this is sexual related. But any drive can be used for any data. |
| 10:16.22 | deadcat | nanodude: maybe the same way you install it to a regular ipod. no one here owns an ipod but you dude |
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| 10:16.25 | bouma | Eulex: one last qustion would you expect i could fit gtk and what ever gaim requires to continue this conversionation not that im adverse to irssi inwhich case could i fit irssi on this 2gig ?? |
| 10:16.42 | DR3AD | apparently i need to download and install the nvidia driver and kernell but i dont know how to do it |
| 10:16.46 | azeem | bouma: 2gig is enough for base+x+irssi |
| 10:16.48 | Eulex | bouma, sure you can |
| 10:16.50 | nanodude | deadcat: no i tried that allready it didnt work |
| 10:16.52 | azeem | !nvidia |
| 10:16.52 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 10:17.05 | bouma | nice nice |
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| 10:17.12 | bouma | ok c u guys |
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| 10:17.23 | DR3AD | ok so i am in x chat -text and i can swith to another term |
| 10:17.51 | DR3AD | how do i get to nvidia site and fix this? |
| 10:17.53 | liable | you can run xchat in a term?? |
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| 10:18.03 | DR3AD | xchat-text, yes |
| 10:18.20 | DR3AD | man it is arcane though |
| 10:18.21 | azeem | DR3AD: /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
| 10:18.28 | azeem | DR3AD: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 10:18.38 | DR3AD | hmm |
| 10:18.42 | DR3AD | kk one sec |
| 10:18.43 | nanodude | deadcat: it called for bringing up some terminal and entering code...which is not my strong suit |
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| 10:19.31 | SupraX | nanodude: you can, but you'll need many time and another medium to boot with |
| 10:19.37 | SupraX | such as a CD or floppy. |
| 10:19.50 | SupraX | furthermore that will be very slow |
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| 10:19.59 | ravenbird | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of simonraven) |
| 10:20.01 | DR3AD | are you talking to me? |
| 10:20.16 | azeem | DR3AD: probably not, there are hundreds of people in here |
| 10:20.17 | nanodude | SupraX: im listening |
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| 10:20.49 | SupraX | nanodude: go on the internet, check oiut for linux from scratch |
| 10:20.51 | azeem | DR3AD: unless it is dpkg who talks back to you in some way |
| 10:20.58 | SupraX | I think this is a basis |
| 10:21.06 | SupraX | I cannot explain you here, I have too few time |
| 10:21.15 | DR3AD | so i need to get the nvidia installer, but i dont even know how to configerazeem i triesd to dpkg it did not work |
| 10:21.34 | azeem | DR3AD: dpkg is the channel bot |
| 10:21.42 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.44 | nanodude | SupraX: you mean google it? |
| 10:21.46 | azeem | I told you the keywords |
| 10:21.49 | DR3AD | oh ok go easy on me i am new : ) |
| 10:22.07 | azeem | DR3AD: type "/msg dpkg nvidia installer" into xchat |
| 10:22.37 | SupraX | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| 10:22.56 | nanodude | by the by do any of you know if the podzilla team is making an ipod nano linux? |
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| 10:23.10 | nanodude | SupraX: thanks! |
| 10:23.12 | Fackamato | hi guys |
| 10:23.16 | DR3AD | thank you azeem i think it will help me |
| 10:23.39 | Fackamato | Power just went here, and came back in like five seconds. So my server rebooted, which is running debian sarge. However - it's taking ages to bot |
| 10:23.54 | Fackamato | and I saw messages like "cannot open your terminal" /dev/console permission denied, I think |
| 10:24.04 | Fackamato | now it's on starting nfs common utilities: statd |
| 10:24.09 | Fackamato | been there for a few minutes now :( |
| 10:24.11 | Fackamato | and ideas? |
| 10:24.17 | nanodude | *scraches head* uh oh |
| 10:24.22 | DR3AD | ok the one liner wil work probably, how do i configure my apt sources, bear in mind i am noob |
| 10:24.31 | SpComb | yes, buy a ups :p |
| 10:24.35 | Fackamato | :p |
| 10:24.36 | nanodude | im not good with sorce code |
| 10:25.04 | SupraX | otherway you can use ubuntu live cd or other to access your ipod as a /mnt/stuff |
| 10:25.05 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 10:25.06 | nanodude | oh well nanotech for another day |
| 10:25.06 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 starving oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 10:25.22 | Fackamato | ;/ |
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| 10:25.29 | nanodude | any you people play video games? |
| 10:25.32 | DR3AD | yup |
| 10:25.45 | nanodude | ever played MKDS? |
| 10:25.53 | DR3AD | full title? |
| 10:26.01 | nanodude | Mario Kart DS |
| 10:26.04 | DR3AD | no |
| 10:26.12 | nanodude | best MK...EVER! |
| 10:26.16 | nanodude | in my book |
| 10:26.23 | DR3AD | my boss gets free nintendo ds from dlink, but he sells them on ebay, not give me one : ( |
| 10:26.35 | DR3AD | as reward for sales |
| 10:26.39 | nanodude | i pitty you |
| 10:26.42 | DR3AD | thank you |
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| 10:27.08 | Fackamato | now the server got past that, now it's on "Starting periodic command scheduler: cron" |
| 10:27.59 | nanodude | if you ever get your hands on one i highly recommend MKDS...it has enormus replay value...unlike PAC-PIXs which i dropped like a lead weight |
| 10:28.09 | DR3AD | rofl |
| 10:28.20 | DR3AD | i love all mario kart i play so far |
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| 10:28.45 | nanodude | oh trust me this one pwns all the others |
| 10:28.46 | DR3AD | thenintendo 64 one was awesome |
| 10:28.48 | marcster | i just did an apt-get install ftpd on ubuntu but i cant see the package nor the binaries, but apt reported that it is already installed. |
| 10:28.52 | marcster | how do i check for it? |
| 10:29.14 | DR3AD | super mario kart, lotta hours wasted there |
| 10:29.40 | nanodude | yeah...though the DS version has the "favorite" tracks from all the past games |
| 10:29.50 | DR3AD | btw talking in an irc in text mode in a term sux |
| 10:29.54 | Fackamato | woah |
| 10:29.57 | Fackamato | it has fully booted now |
| 10:30.02 | Fackamato | I'm gonna upload the dmesg for you guys.. |
| 10:30.11 | nanodude | what do you suggest? |
| 10:30.21 | Fackamato | hm it's taking forever to log in via ssh |
| 10:30.37 | Fackamato | taking forevre to login via terminal too :S |
| 10:31.13 | DR3AD | so can anyone help me update my apt-get list so i can use the one liner solution for this damned nvidia prob |
| 10:31.23 | Fackamato | nvidia problem? |
| 10:31.28 | DR3AD | nooby style? |
| 10:31.30 | DR3AD | yeha |
| 10:31.34 | Fackamato | uh |
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| 10:31.38 | DR3AD | i got a nvidia 7800gtx |
| 10:31.45 | Fackamato | .... on debian? |
| 10:31.47 | DR3AD | and xserver wont conf |
| 10:31.49 | Fackamato | why use that on debian |
| 10:31.55 | DR3AD | it is a dual boot |
| 10:32.00 | DR3AD | with xp |
| 10:32.07 | DR3AD | xfree86 serv wont configure |
| 10:32.19 | Fackamato | why do you want to run debian |
| 10:32.28 | DR3AD | i neto learn about linux |
| 10:32.31 | DR3AD | and unix |
| 10:32.36 | noobishtendancie | ok so dont EVEN get me started on how much of a noob i am |
| 10:32.44 | DR3AD | lol |
| 10:32.54 | Fackamato | .. heh |
| 10:32.56 | DR3AD | i am quit proud i managed to get in here without a gui |
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| 10:33.20 | DR3AD | but like i sadi talking in irc in text mode on a term is the ass |
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| 10:33.43 | noobishtendancie | anyone a Halo fan? |
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| 10:34.10 | Guerin | noobishtendancie: no. |
| 10:34.16 | bobbens | noobishtendancie: nope |
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| 10:34.21 | noobishtendancie | pourquoi? |
| 10:34.27 | Guerin | DR3AD: why? there are no pictures in irc. |
| 10:34.37 | Guerin | noobishtendancie: because this is #debian, not #fucktard |
| 10:34.47 | noobishtendancie | who here has a DS besides me? |
| 10:34.50 | DR3AD | yeah i know but it still is crap, no scroll for text, |
| 10:34.58 | Guerin | noobishtendancie: the people in #whogivesafuck |
| 10:35.06 | Guerin | DR3AD: wtf? |
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| 10:35.41 | noobishtendancie | guerin: i do |
| 10:35.44 | noobishtendancie | duh |
| 10:35.51 | DR3AD | ok to update peeps i am here because i cant get xfree86 to run on my dual boot xp / debian system because of my 7800gtx |
| 10:36.02 | DR3AD | i need the nvvidia driver or kernel |
| 10:36.05 | noobishtendancie | if i didnt i wouldnt have asked! |
| 10:36.10 | DR3AD | but need to update my apt list |
| 10:36.17 | tricky__ | Is there no java install package for debian/stable? Ive been searching for a while now but no luck... |
| 10:36.17 | noobishtendancie | who here has a psp? |
| 10:36.27 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: nobody |
| 10:36.27 | Guerin | noobishtendancie: so ask the other people in #whogivesafuck - as I said, this is #debian |
| 10:36.41 | noobishtendancie | oh |
| 10:36.44 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: stop bragging about your shit |
| 10:36.51 | DR3AD | who? |
| 10:36.53 | Guerin | tricky__: topic |
| 10:36.53 | noobishtendancie | im not |
| 10:36.57 | DR3AD | i am not bragging asking for help |
| 10:37.10 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 10:37.11 | DR3AD | dont try to troll me mate |
| 10:37.16 | Guerin | people are fucking stupid this evening |
| 10:37.39 | deadcat | Guerin: just name them. |
| 10:37.46 | DR3AD | are you talking to me guerin? |
| 10:37.50 | noobishtendancie | yes...i am quite the stupid one...and yet I DONT GIVE A DAMN |
| 10:37.51 | Guerin | deadcat: easier to name those who aren't |
| 10:37.57 | Guerin | DR3AD: no, I'm talking about you |
| 10:38.03 | DR3AD | what? |
| 10:38.05 | DR3AD | why? |
| 10:38.16 | DR3AD | i am here aking for help , why flame me? |
| 10:38.36 | noobishtendancie | yeah why flame him? |
| 10:38.50 | tricky__ | Guerin, ? |
| 10:38.55 | DR3AD | and what did i do / say that is stupid? |
| 10:39.05 | Guerin | DR3AD: if your name was noobishtendancie, then you might have a cause to say you're not bragging ... but since it's not, nobody was accusing you of bragging in the first place. |
| 10:39.19 | bobbens | tricky__: /msg dpkg java |
| 10:39.21 | Guerin | tricky__: read the channel topic |
| 10:39.29 | DR3AD | umm noobish was accusing me of bragging |
| 10:39.34 | tricky__ | Guerin, tnx ill try it! |
| 10:39.35 | deadcat | DR3AD: its true. you HAVE to butt in |
| 10:39.39 | noobishtendancie | FOR THE LAST TIME I WAS NOT BRAGGING |
| 10:39.50 | DR3AD | oh i am sorry if i butted in |
| 10:39.51 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: yes you were |
| 10:39.51 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:39.59 | noobishtendancie | GOD DAMMIT |
| 10:40.18 | DR3AD | look it is hard to read this in a term |
| 10:40.31 | Eulex | noobishtendancie, well, this is #debian, not #chat-about-random-technology |
| 10:40.35 | liable | wtf is a DS anyway? |
| 10:40.37 | DR3AD | if someone can help me change my apt list so that i can get a nvidia fix, i am outta here |
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| 10:40.49 | Guerin | liable: dildo spanner? |
| 10:40.54 | Guerin | DR3AD: topic |
| 10:40.56 | noobishtendancie | DS is a nintendo portable |
| 10:41.01 | noobishtendancie | it pwns |
| 10:41.09 | DR3AD | topic? |
| 10:41.10 | toecutter | How to you list installed .deb packages? |
| 10:41.12 | Guerin | oh wait, nvidia's not in the topic anymore |
| 10:41.19 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 10:41.20 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 10:41.27 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: pwns? what are you a fucking lamer too? |
| 10:41.28 | DR3AD | yeah i have read that |
| 10:41.39 | Guerin | toecutter: dpkg --get-selections |
| 10:41.42 | noobishtendancie | lamer? |
| 10:41.42 | DR3AD | but i cantr get it because my apt list is no good |
| 10:41.46 | Guerin | DR3AD: reading it doesn't do any good |
| 10:41.51 | toecutter | Guerin: thansk |
| 10:42.00 | DR3AD | lol you are on the ball my friend |
| 10:42.02 | liable | DR3AD: add non-free to sources list |
| 10:42.12 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: do you say "i pwn this item" to your friends too? |
| 10:42.12 | Guerin | DR3AD: so fix your sources. ask dpkg about non-free, contrib, and read man sources.list |
| 10:42.12 | DR3AD | thank you liable |
| 10:42.37 | DR3AD | ok thanks, that wasdnt so hard was it? |
| 10:42.37 | liable | DR3AD: also contrib.. |
| 10:42.43 | noobishtendancie | pwn means to own, school, donminate and otherwise kick ass |
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| 10:42.59 | Guerin | noobishtendancie: no, pwn means 'your keyboard is broken' |
| 10:43.03 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: ya. lamers use that word |
| 10:43.15 | noobishtendancie | what the hell is a lamer? |
| 10:43.16 | liable | lolz!! YOU FUXORZ!!!!! |
| 10:43.19 | deadcat | Guerin: no. pwn means he is lame |
| 10:43.28 | Eulex | !lamer |
| 10:43.28 | dpkg | BeWNNbWM RAve OR diE OmG DJ KnoPpIX?! |
| 10:43.35 | Guerin | deadcat: what would you know, you're just a mactard |
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| 10:43.53 | Guerin | actually ... |
| 10:44.00 | Guerin | perhaps you WOULD know about lameness |
| 10:44.01 | deadcat | Guerin: atleast i dont use the word "pwn" (= |
| 10:44.03 | DR3AD | msg /dpkg non free |
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| 10:44.53 | Eulex | DR3AD, almost. |
| 10:44.59 | DR3AD | mmsg |
| 10:45.00 | DR3AD | thanks |
| 10:45.06 | deadcat | !fi |
| 10:45.06 | dpkg | well, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out |
| 10:45.16 | noobishtendancie | ok, i know when im hated and rejected so im going to ask you people one last question...where can i find a chat room for gamers |
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| 10:45.29 | Guerin | noobishtendancie: irc.quakenet.net |
| 10:45.38 | noobishtendancie | thank you |
| 10:45.40 | Eulex | noobishtendancie, /list |
| 10:45.40 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: #ipodnano |
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| 10:45.53 | noobishtendancie | what about the nano? |
| 10:46.17 | noobishtendancie | you persons obviously want me to leave so im going to |
| 10:46.28 | deadcat | nope |
| 10:46.50 | liable | well? |
| 10:47.07 | noobishtendancie | yes you are calling me a "lamer" which is some kind of insult right? |
| 10:47.13 | DR3AD | ok are all source repositories the same, ie which ftp is good to list? |
| 10:47.31 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: no shit |
| 10:47.54 | noobishtendancie | deadcat:vafanapoli! |
| 10:48.00 | Guerin | DR3AD: same |
| 10:48.02 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: fuck you too |
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| 10:48.15 | Eulex | noobishtendancie, gardshgastg |
| 10:48.20 | DR3AD | thanks guerin |
| 10:48.26 | [Bart] | hi, how do I skip installing a package when using apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:48.36 | liable | !hold |
| 10:48.37 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 10:48.43 | noobishtendancie | your mother was a hampster and your father smelled of elderberries! |
| 10:49.02 | blahdeblah | noobishtendancie: s/hampster/hamster/ Lamer speller? :-) |
| 10:49.03 | streuner | use /ignore <nick> |
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| 10:49.03 | [Bart] | tnx liable. |
| 10:49.03 | liable | i fart in your general direction |
| 10:49.06 | bobbens | noobishtendancie: just leave this is pointless |
| 10:49.23 | deadcat | noobishtendancie: thats it? |
| 10:49.33 | noobishtendancie | or i could stay and taunt you a second time |
| 10:49.40 | noobishtendancie | just to annoy you |
| 10:49.45 | deadcat | knock yourself out |
| 10:49.52 | Guerin | !ops can we get some peace and quiet? |
| 10:49.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: can we get some peace and quiet |
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| 10:50.15 | SimonRaven | ok, time to add another /ig |
| 10:50.20 | noobishtendancie | your all dumbasses! |
| 10:50.28 | SimonRaven | *yawn* |
| 10:50.39 | streuner | noobishtendancie: go away |
| 10:50.40 | noobishtendancie | HALO OWNS YOU ALL |
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| 10:50.56 | deadcat | well atleast hes not using PWNS no more hahahah |
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| 10:51.07 | deadcat | i guess hes not even a lamer. |
| 10:51.23 | noobishtendancie | PWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNS |
| 10:51.30 | pureone | :| |
| 10:51.30 | noobishtendancie | PWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNS |
| 10:51.38 | pureone | !ops noobishtendancie is a moron |
| 10:51.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: noobishtendancie is a moron |
| 10:51.40 | Guerin | deadcat: you really shouldn't be dissin' on people whose spelling and grammar is about the same as yours |
| 10:51.45 | deadcat | pureone: making up for his mistake (= |
| 10:51.46 | noobishtendancie | PWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSP |
| 10:51.47 | noobishtendancie | PWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNSPWNS |
| 10:51.55 | liable | noobishtendancie: c'mon, just leave. |
| 10:52.04 | deadcat | Guerin: i misspell. they do it intentionally |
| 10:52.05 | noobishtendancie | why? |
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| 10:52.22 | noobishtendancie | this is fun and there is nothing you can do about it |
| 10:52.31 | Guerin | haahaa |
| 10:52.51 | blahdeblah | streuner: You said before /ignore, but it's not listed in the /help - is there another variant here on freenode? |
| 10:52.53 | liable | noobishtendancie: dude, just go before you are banned. |
| 10:53.06 | SimonRaven | it's client dependent .. |
| 10:53.10 | Guerin | blahdeblah: it's a client-side thing |
| 10:53.14 | blondie | awww look a small child |
| 10:53.15 | streuner | blahdeblah: /ignore <nick> doesn't work? |
| 10:53.25 | vosti | noobishtendancie, please stop! |
| 10:53.32 | noobishtendancie | but ok since you are boring and talk about stuff a noob like me who is an obvious village doesn't understand im going to find people who respect who i am |
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| 10:53.36 | noobishtendancie | bye |
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| 10:53.46 | bobbens | good riddance |
| 10:53.48 | Fackamato | finnaly |
| 10:53.50 | Fackamato | finally* |
| 10:53.55 | DR3AD | thank god |
| 10:54.00 | folkert | anyone experienced the problem of having just sound but no image with mozilla-mplayer from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ ? |
| 10:54.00 | blahdeblah | Any idea what the gaim option is for /ignore? |
| 10:54.15 | liable | blahdeblah: /help? |
| 10:54.17 | deadcat | see. if you disrespect them, they will leave (= |
| 10:54.17 | streuner | blahdeblah: #gaim? |
| 10:54.26 | blahdeblah | liable: Tried that. |
| 10:54.32 | blahdeblah | streuner: Good point |
| 10:54.42 | SimonRaven | no, if you ignore them, consciously or otherwise, they leave. |
| 10:54.53 | SimonRaven | trolls feed off the replies |
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| 10:54.54 | liable | blahdeblah: get a descent client? :P |
| 10:55.03 | SimonRaven | 'decent' |
| 10:55.15 | Eulex | descent was a great game. |
| 10:55.19 | streuner | SimonRaven: yes, that usually works if everyone do it then... |
| 10:55.22 | deadcat | SimonRaven: by the way. xcompmgr and transset for xorg is in experimental. pretty nice.. on nvidia atleast |
| 10:55.33 | SimonRaven | although descent client is probably accurate for gaim-irc :P |
| 10:55.44 | Eulex | SimonRaven, hehe, yeah |
| 10:56.05 | blahdeblah | liable: It works for me, and is something i can recommend to Windoze types who are too scared to make the jump to freedom. |
| 10:56.08 | SimonRaven | whee, let's fall and crash and burn to the ground |
| 10:56.27 | liable | 'weee' |
| 10:56.32 | blahdeblah | BTW, just found it - right click the user in the list. |
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| 10:57.03 | SimonRaven | i was trying out 'whee' - doesn't feel quite right |
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| 10:57.17 | blahdeblah | SimonRaven: needs more trailing eeeeees |
| 10:57.26 | SimonRaven | that too |
| 10:57.30 | Guerin | folkert: that issue is probably to do with another program using the sound device - if you use arts, start firefox with artsdsp firefox &; is esd, esddsp firefox & |
| 10:57.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:57.34 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:57.35 | Guerin | s/is/if/ |
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| 10:57.50 | SimonRaven | mr. popcon is back |
| 10:57.58 | SimonRaven | :P |
| 10:58.02 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: And the point of that was? |
| 10:58.15 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: that you install popularity-contest |
| 10:58.15 | blahdeblah | SimonRaven: Or shouldn't i have asked? ;-) |
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| 10:58.27 | SimonRaven | he always does it. he's trying to get people to install it |
| 10:58.28 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: Already done on all of my Debian boxes. |
| 10:58.43 | Eulex | tarzeau, ah, so it's some kind of advertising you' |
| 10:58.44 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: install more debian boxes :) |
| 10:58.50 | Eulex | re doing? was always wondering. |
| 10:58.53 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: Planning to... |
| 10:58.57 | tarzeau | Eulex: huh? |
| 10:59.22 | Eulex | tarzeau, advertising popcon? |
| 10:59.28 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: Eulex was wondering why you do !popcon |
| 10:59.28 | tarzeau | Eulex: yes |
| 10:59.35 | tarzeau | Eulex: i'm sure plenty of people in here don't have it |
| 10:59.43 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: yes i got it now |
| 10:59.54 | usn | hi folx |
| 10:59.57 | streuner | dondelelcaro: why is dpkg's db wrong? |
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| 11:00.04 | Eulex | tarzeau, ok. yeah, popcon is important. |
| 11:00.13 | Guerin | streuner: it's sometimes behind the times. |
| 11:00.34 | streuner | well, factinfo shows a changes which can't be true |
| 11:00.47 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo cmd: ops (.*?) |
| 11:00.47 | dpkg | cmd: ops (.*?) -- created by streuner <i=foobar@p54A5D6E8.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Aug 25 21:42:11 2005 (148 days); it has been requested 125 times, last by pureone, 9m 10s ago. |
| 11:00.51 | Guerin | oh, factinfo is a bit funky, yeah |
| 11:00.57 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:01.13 | streuner | and it refers to 'azeem' which is an OP behind that date... |
| 11:01.20 | folkert | Guerin: doen't make a difference: sound works, but no image |
| 11:01.28 | Guerin | folkert: oh, sorry. |
| 11:01.47 | SimonRaven | 'created by'. original inputting of the factoid |
| 11:01.50 | sanmarcos | Guerin: you are always int hsic hannel, get a girlfirend |
| 11:01.53 | Guerin | folkert: i misread. You probably need w32codecs |
| 11:02.04 | Guerin | sanmarcos: I don't need a girlfriend. |
| 11:02.10 | Guerin | i don't even want one. |
| 11:02.17 | sanmarcos | Guerin: why not? |
| 11:02.33 | SimonRaven | !assume sanmarcos |
| 11:02.45 | Guerin | sanmarcos: because i've already got a wife? |
| 11:02.50 | Guerin | just an idea. |
| 11:02.52 | sanmarcos | Guerin: ohh, how sweet :D |
| 11:03.09 | Fackamato | If 'fsck.ext3 /dev/mypartition' returns "clean", does it mean that it's got no errors? |
| 11:03.10 | sanmarcos | oh and SimonRaven what is up with you, going in to our converation, curious? or just alone? |
| 11:03.23 | Guerin | folkert: it means the filesystem has no errors. |
| 11:03.27 | Guerin | Fackamato: |
| 11:03.31 | blahdeblah | Fackamato: Not necessarily, but it means that it has marked it clean previously. |
| 11:03.34 | SimonRaven | sanmarcos: just because you're alone doesn't mean i am |
| 11:03.40 | Guerin | heh |
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| 11:03.52 | folkert | Guerin: i already have the w32codecs |
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| 11:04.10 | blahdeblah | Fackamato: If you want to be really sure, try -f |
| 11:04.12 | streuner | SimonRaven: i didn't orginally created the cmd: either |
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| 11:04.22 | SimonRaven | sanmarcos: FYI, this is public, you have a problem with that, ask to /msg people |
| 11:04.28 | folkert | Guerin: standalone mplayer works, just the mozilla-plugin doesn't show the image |
| 11:04.31 | Guerin | folkert: will mplayer play the videos you want to play normally? try playing them, and read the excellent error output which mplayer yields. |
| 11:04.40 | SimonRaven | streuner: it's fucked anyway, like Guerin said |
| 11:04.45 | blahdeblah | Fackamato: i.e. 'fsck.ext3 -f /dev/mypartition' |
| 11:05.03 | SimonRaven | streuner: theory and practice don't always work out the same ;) |
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| 11:05.15 | Fackamato | blahdeblah okay thanks. |
| 11:06.01 | Guerin | folkert: i expect there's a missing codec or something - you'll only find out by viewing the output |
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| 11:07.09 | folkert | Guerin: right, but it doesn't show a useful output, and the standalone mplayer plays without complaining |
| 11:07.36 | Guerin | folkert: plays the same file? |
| 11:07.48 | folkert | yes |
| 11:07.55 | Guerin | folkert: funky. |
| 11:08.01 | Guerin | folkert: i'm out of ideas, then. |
| 11:08.16 | folkert | Guerin: shame, but thanks anyway |
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| 11:13.09 | ejofee | how do i run dvd-rips in gnu-linux? (in windows i simply select all and choose open from the menu) |
| 11:14.00 | liable | ejofee: marillat has k9copy (soon hopefully to be in debian) |
| 11:14.01 | blahdeblah | ejofee: You mean movies that you've decrypted using dvdbackup or something like that? |
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| 11:14.34 | liable | it uses dvd-rip and vamps anyway iirc.. |
| 11:14.38 | jetscreamer | just type dvdrip in an xterm |
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| 11:14.57 | jetscreamer | if you mean dvd::rip |
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| 11:16.57 | ejofee | blahdeblah: i simply... copied them from the dvd :) |
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| 11:17.07 | ejofee | liable: thank you |
| 11:17.33 | blahdeblah | ejofee: If you use dvdbackup it will get rid of the CSS and you can just open them in totem or whatever your fancy. |
| 11:17.45 | ejofee | liable: could you please give me an /etc/apt/sources.list entry for marillat? |
| 11:17.59 | jetscreamer | !tell ejofee -about marillat |
| 11:17.59 | liable | !tell ejofee about marillat |
| 11:18.10 | ejofee | jetscreamer, liable: thank you |
| 11:18.11 | liable | !lose me |
| 11:18.11 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 11:18.23 | streuner | dpkg, win jetscreamer |
| 11:18.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 11:18.29 | anapivirtua | lo all |
| 11:18.35 | jetscreamer | hey now i have 500 aol cd's |
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| 11:19.08 | jetscreamer | i just got my latest collector's edition of aol cd's in the mail the other day |
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| 11:22.33 | ejofee | then, is there any way to convert a dvd rip (copied in windows) to a (decrypted) dvd-rip which works in totem or kaffeine or mplayer? |
| 11:24.03 | liable | ejofee: theres dvd-decrypter for windows. or the lib-dvdcss or whatever for linux.. |
| 11:24.15 | blahdeblah | ejofee: dvdbackup |
| 11:25.07 | ejofee | blahdeblah: thanks |
| 11:25.10 | ejofee | liable: thank you |
| 11:25.17 | tricky__ | hey! im trying to install java using the help from the dpkg-bot but i cant get it to work properly... |
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| 11:25.23 | tricky__ | $ fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_06-nb-4_1-linux-ml.bin |
| 11:25.23 | tricky__ | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXc2GsgY |
| 11:25.23 | tricky__ | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 11:25.23 | tricky__ | No matching plugin was found. |
| 11:25.23 | tricky__ | Removing temporary directory: done |
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| 11:25.44 | tricky__ | sorry bout the flood.. |
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| 11:26.37 | tricky__ | any ideas anyone? |
| 11:28.00 | blahdeblah | tricky__: Use a pre-built one - add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/java-linux/debian/ stable non-free |
| 11:28.09 | blahdeblah | tricky__: (Substitute your local mirror) |
| 11:28.41 | tricky__ | thanks! illl try that! |
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| 11:32.16 | avdwoude | Is there a counter somewhere with the latest count? |
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| 11:34.32 | Eulex | something has changed the current directory a program gets when it starts. how to change it back to my home dir? |
| 11:34.59 | SimonRaven | !vagueness |
| 11:34.59 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! |
| 11:35.18 | Eulex | hehe |
| 11:35.20 | liable | ewww |
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| 11:36.11 | SimonRaven | !literal vagueness |
| 11:36.11 | dpkg | "#debian vagueness" is "<reply> (VAGUENESS (KILLS|CAUSES (CANCER|ANAL LEAKAGE|IMPOTENCE|BALDNESS|ACNE|SARS))!|VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY (JESUS|PENGUINS|BADGERS) CRY!)" |
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| 11:36.46 | Eulex | well, when I start a terminal or a file manager in X, that program doesn't get my home dir as its current directory, but another dir. |
| 11:37.17 | ejofee | !vagueness |
| 11:37.17 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 11:37.23 | SimonRaven | startx in !~/ results in having everything in that session start in that dir |
| 11:37.50 | Pimpinella | can somebody tell me what is c2a transition? |
| 11:37.57 | SimonRaven | you could do something like (cd ; startx&) to fix that |
| 11:38.00 | ejofee | dpkg: well, i surely hope that's purely random |
| 11:38.03 | ejofee | :) |
| 11:38.05 | Eulex | SimonRaven, I use gdm. and this changed after I had started X. |
| 11:38.25 | SimonRaven | *shrug*. some gdm setting i suppose |
| 11:38.56 | Eulex | worked until I had run a script that gets xfce from svn |
| 11:39.04 | Eulex | could pastebin the script... |
| 11:39.08 | SimonRaven | check the script then |
| 11:39.10 | Pimpinella | or what is't for probably |
| 11:39.50 | Eulex | SimonRaven, well, I don't see anything special in it, but I'm no bash wiz |
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| 11:40.26 | Eulex | http://pastebin.com/515937 |
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| 11:41.07 | Eulex | after I ran that script, any program that is started gets the directory that the script was put in as the current directory on start-up. |
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| 11:41.38 | SimonRaven | Pimpinella: C++ ABI changed, therefore the relevant packages affected changed name to reflect that |
| 11:41.43 | jetscreamer | i think it's the change of the c libs, like the ... that^^ |
| 11:41.48 | DaBlade | Are the debian repositories down? |
| 11:41.52 | Pimpinella | SimonRaven: ty |
| 11:41.53 | DaBlade | http://pastebin.com/515938 <--look |
| 11:42.15 | azeem | DaBlade: looks like a problem on your side |
| 11:42.20 | DaBlade | Oh? |
| 11:42.22 | DaBlade | How do I fix it? |
| 11:42.33 | DaBlade | (The non-debian repos work fine) |
| 11:43.30 | jetscreamer | why are you mixing etch & sid |
| 11:43.36 | jetscreamer | kanotix? |
| 11:43.40 | SimonRaven | Eulex: wouldn't be that script |
| 11:43.43 | DaBlade | MEPIS. |
| 11:43.56 | DaBlade | Not Kanotix. |
| 11:43.58 | Eulex | SimonRaven, hmm, ok. |
| 11:44.00 | Eulex | !mepis |
| 11:44.00 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 11:44.07 | liable | not debian either.. |
| 11:44.10 | jetscreamer | DaBlade: those sources should work though |
| 11:44.18 | SimonRaven | it does pushd/popd shtuff but doesn't affect day-to-day |
| 11:44.20 | jetscreamer | looks kinda like mine cept for the etch part |
| 11:44.33 | DaBlade | What's wrong then? |
| 11:44.33 | Eulex | DaBlade, "attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt" |
| 11:44.39 | DaBlade | lol |
| 11:44.40 | jetscreamer | please try again later, all circuits are busy... |
| 11:44.42 | DaBlade | No, that's gentoo |
| 11:44.51 | DaBlade | *ubuntu |
| 11:44.54 | DaBlade | lol |
| 11:44.55 | Eulex | DaBlade, there's your answer. |
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| 11:45.04 | DaBlade | Not quite, MEPIS is in the DCC alliance |
| 11:45.05 | SimonRaven | only within that script; unless some weird crap creeped in to some other thing, or some *gasp* hard coded thing ... |
| 11:45.12 | DaBlade | It's 99% compatible with Debian |
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| 11:45.22 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 11:45.29 | SimonRaven | WTF that means |
| 11:45.39 | jetscreamer | it means he hit the .1%? |
| 11:45.45 | _rene_ | and what about the 1%? anyway, you shouldn't mix etch and sid anyway |
| 11:45.48 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 11:45.48 | DaBlade | http://www.dccalliance.org/ |
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| 11:46.04 | DaBlade | _rene: I didn't do it, the guys at Mepis LLC. did. |
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| 11:46.26 | _rene_ | DaBlade: so what? then fix it. |
| 11:46.29 | SimonRaven | well go bug them in #mepis then |
| 11:46.32 | Eulex | DaBlade, using debian sources on anything else than debian is still not supported. |
| 11:46.37 | _rene_ | DaBlade: how's that my problem? |
| 11:46.45 | Eulex | DaBlade, at least not in this channel |
| 11:47.08 | DaBlade | Well, MEPIS, apart from being a live-CD and having it's own installer, IS debian |
| 11:47.13 | jetscreamer | DaBlade: jsut try again |
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| 11:47.18 | Eulex | DaBlade, no |
| 11:47.19 | jetscreamer | sources function |
| 11:47.28 | SimonRaven | er, no. |
| 11:47.37 | jetscreamer | and don't say <other-distro> in #debian, it's silly |
| 11:47.37 | DaBlade | Could this be a DNS error? |
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| 11:47.49 | Eulex | SimonRaven, any way to change it back manually? |
| 11:47.53 | liable | well, out of interest, does it say that still if you update again?? |
| 11:48.14 | DaBlade | No wait... it works now |
| 11:48.17 | jetscreamer | DaBlade: exactly |
| 11:48.17 | DaBlade | It didn't work a moment ago |
| 11:48.19 | DaBlade | :-/ |
| 11:48.20 | jetscreamer | right |
| 11:48.22 | jetscreamer | i told you |
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| 11:48.28 | SimonRaven | Eulex: i don't know what happened, so i can't know thaD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[4~t |
| 11:48.35 | SimonRaven | stupid lag |
| 11:48.45 | raf256 | my locale -a show only few encofings |
| 11:48.55 | raf256 | how do I configure more? |
| 11:49.03 | Eulex | SimonRaven, ok. thanks anyway :) |
| 11:49.07 | jugglinx | DaBlade, i been using mepis for long time... this searching for problems... |
| 11:49.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:49.14 | jugglinx | is* |
| 11:49.18 | DaBlade | Well, MEPIS still uses all the Debian packages, apart from mepis-oscenter and mepis-onthego. Which means the system is built up exactly like debian... |
| 11:49.28 | jetscreamer | i also do dpkg-reconfigure console-date after locales |
| 11:49.36 | azeem | DaBlade: do they mix stable/testing/unstable? |
| 11:49.38 | Eulex | SimonRaven, ah. $ set|grep svn PWD=/home/alex/xfce-svn2 |
| 11:49.40 | liable | DaBlade: please dont get into this argument here. |
| 11:49.42 | DaBlade | jugglinx: Yeah, I know of #Debian's reputation for being elitists. I just try and give people the benefit of the doubt. |
| 11:49.45 | jugglinx | azeem, yep |
| 11:49.46 | jetscreamer | DaBlade: shhh |
| 11:49.54 | liable | DaBlade: because we dont support mepis |
| 11:49.55 | azeem | DaBlade: we are not elitist |
| 11:50.01 | jetscreamer | and remember, ... 'i told you so' |
| 11:50.03 | azeem | DaBlade: we just don't support things we cannot support |
| 11:50.13 | SimonRaven | Eulex: only within the script AFAIK |
| 11:50.23 | jugglinx | DaBlade, make me a /whois... check out, in whose channel im... |
| 11:50.25 | DaBlade | Again, I haven't seen any elitist behaviour here today, just "we don't support other distros.", therefore I don't think you guys are elitists. |
| 11:50.38 | SimonRaven | Eulex: where is that, the script you showed me, or some other one? |
| 11:50.39 | jugglinx | it s my first day at #debian |
| 11:50.45 | liable | DaBlade: if its so good, then get help in #mepis and leave us alone to be elitist. |
| 11:50.52 | SimonRaven | welcome |
| 11:50.57 | DaBlade | liable: I didn't say you are |
| 11:50.57 | jugglinx | im the op of #mepis-es |
| 11:51.12 | jugglinx | thanks, SimonRaven |
| 11:51.12 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 11:51.16 | DaBlade | I siad you had a rumour for being it, and it seems undeserved. |
| 11:51.20 | DaBlade | *said. |
| 11:51.24 | jetscreamer | then your english must be better than my spanish |
| 11:51.42 | DaBlade | Anyway, I'm out. Adios |
| 11:51.48 | Eulex | SimonRaven, $PWD is set to that path in any new terminal I launch. and probably in any app I launch, but I can't check that. |
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| 11:51.52 | jetscreamer | yw |
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| 11:53.01 | SimonRaven | Eulex: again, where is that setting? obviously it's stuck in some start up script, otherwise it wouldn't be affecting your session |
| 11:54.06 | SimonRaven | comment it out or remove it |
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| 11:55.05 | SimonRaven | or change it so that it it's set to whatever user's home dir it is - if you want to get fancy |
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| 11:55.41 | stian | I just disconncted my dvd/drive from /dev/hdc, and connected a hdd on to that, any idea why I can not mount this?, is there anything one have to do first? |
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| 11:56.18 | Eulex | SimonRaven, well, $PWD is set to my home dir when I login. I confirmed this right now by launching an Xnest and logging in as myself. $PWD is changed *after* I run that script. |
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| 11:57.09 | liable | Mawrick: and the mount error is? |
| 11:57.59 | Mawrick | could not find device |
| 11:58.06 | jetscreamer | Mawrick: change the fstab? |
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| 11:58.17 | Mawrick | it seem to me that it still thinks the dvd is hangig there |
| 11:58.46 | jetscreamer | /etc/fstab ? |
| 11:58.48 | Mawrick | jetscreamer: hmm, ok, where is that located, quite new to this stuff...:) |
| 11:58.50 | Mawrick | ok |
| 11:58.52 | liable | Mawrick: how are you mounting it? |
| 11:59.04 | liable | oh. |
| 11:59.33 | Mawrick | mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc /mnt/win2 |
| 12:00.01 | vipersniper | someone asked what the out put from this was earlier --> |
| 12:00.02 | vipersniper | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 12:00.16 | vipersniper | still here |
| 12:00.32 | Eulex | Mawrick, and you know that it's /dev/hdc? check with fdisk -l. |
| 12:01.04 | Eulex | vipersniper, someone asked you because he/she was suspecting that you weren't running debian. |
| 12:01.05 | liable | Mawrick: and the jumpers are right? check dmesg |
| 12:01.13 | jetscreamer | i have to wonder if you did that as root or $USER |
| 12:01.37 | Eulex | vipersniper, or to see if you're running stable, testing or unstable. |
| 12:01.40 | stew | Mawrick: you have a dvd that is ntfs? are you sure? |
| 12:01.50 | Mawrick | stew: |
| 12:01.53 | wintalker | when i fakeroot make-jpkg jre, i got this messages: sh: line 1: gcc: command not found. |
| 12:01.55 | Mawrick | it s not a dvd |
| 12:02.07 | jetscreamer | he removed the dvd drive and put an hd |
| 12:02.10 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 12:02.11 | stew | oh |
| 12:02.12 | liable | !b-e wintalker |
| 12:02.12 | dpkg | wintalker: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 12:02.16 | vipersniper | Eulex, its unstable |
| 12:02.18 | Mawrick | but think maybe I have discoered the mistake now.....hopefully |
| 12:02.19 | streuner | Eulex: or a mix out of testing - unstable |
| 12:02.27 | wintalker | dpkg, how? |
| 12:02.41 | stew | wintalker: apt-get install build-essential |
| 12:02.43 | jetscreamer | apt-get install build-essential |
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| 12:02.50 | Eulex | streuner, yes, that too. |
| 12:02.51 | jetscreamer | and dpkg is a bot btw |
| 12:02.57 | streuner | Eulex: or a mix out of debian - ubuntu - kanotix or whatever |
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| 12:03.10 | wintalker | stew, i see. thanks |
| 12:03.11 | Mawrick | btw, is it possible to check wich file system is on the disk before mounting? |
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| 12:03.58 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l |
| 12:04.00 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 12:04.01 | streuner | vipersniper: so tell us the whole output and show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 12:04.04 | jetscreamer | well kinda |
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| 12:04.13 | liable | Mawrick: if you dont supply it, the kernel makes an informed decision. |
| 12:04.15 | Eulex | Mawrick, yes, fdisk -l. |
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| 12:04.27 | jetscreamer | that wont really tell you the fs... but it's kinda close |
| 12:04.41 | Mawrick | Eulex: the -l option doesnt seem to give anything here.... |
| 12:04.52 | Eulex | jetscreamer, it will at least give you a qualified guess. |
| 12:04.54 | jetscreamer | works here just now |
| 12:04.56 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 12:05.03 | liable | Mawrick: fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
| 12:05.07 | jetscreamer | i was checking that guess stuff |
| 12:05.08 | Eulex | Mawrick, "doesnt seem to give anything here"? |
| 12:05.15 | Mawrick | sorry, by bad... |
| 12:05.23 | Mawrick | forgot to pint it to a dev |
| 12:05.26 | Mawrick | :) |
| 12:05.32 | Mawrick | point it even |
| 12:05.37 | jetscreamer | i don't have to ... |
| 12:05.39 | stew | it shouldn't need to be |
| 12:05.47 | jetscreamer | what stew said |
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| 12:06.48 | Mawrick | gives me nothing without pointing it to /dev/hdd (wich where what the mistake was(, but it says HPFS/NTFS but still wont mount with ntfs option |
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| 12:07.45 | jetscreamer | Mawrick: doesn't sound right... but try 'auto' instead of 'ntfs' |
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| 12:09.22 | Mawrick | is it possible to recreate the filesystem on the disk, as this is a blank disk, atleast no important data on it.... |
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| 12:09.27 | liable | jetscreamer: heh, i had that same thought actually.. |
| 12:09.34 | vipersniper | streuner, burntcheese:/usr/lib# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
| 12:09.34 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.34 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.34 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.34 | vipersniper | 500 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
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| 12:10.05 | vipersniper | oops |
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| 12:10.07 | jetscreamer | !tell vipersniper -about paste |
| 12:10.11 | liable | Mawrick: of course, fdisk/cfdisk |
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| 12:10.38 | liable | Mawrick: then mkfs |
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| 12:11.13 | dwdrums | hello! |
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| 12:11.16 | jetscreamer | Mawrick: if i was you, i wouldn't mess with/create anything until you know wtf is going on with that hd and the mount command |
| 12:11.19 | jetscreamer | but that's me |
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| 12:11.31 | Mawrick | hmm, ok....... |
| 12:11.37 | dwdrums | i got a problem! |
| 12:11.45 | dwdrums | with debian etch! |
| 12:11.46 | jetscreamer | me too dwdrums |
| 12:11.51 | jetscreamer | wel ok not with etch |
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| 12:13.14 | dwdrums | grub and lilo are not gonna be installed |
| 12:13.22 | dwdrums | its a big shit! |
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| 12:14.03 | Eulex | we need an etchinstallersmite... |
| 12:14.16 | dwdrums | yeeah! |
| 12:14.33 | Eulex | dwdrums, you shouldn't use the etch installer. it's beta. use the sarge installer and then dist-upgrade to etch. |
| 12:14.36 | Mawrick | What I get is: wrong fs type, bad superblock on dev/hdd, missing codepage or other error, I know this disk have had a few problems before will that keep it from beiing mounted? |
| 12:15.01 | paulswm | Yes, listen to Eulex for, lo, there is wisdom |
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| 12:15.43 | dwdrums | ok,.. thx i will try the etch installer! |
| 12:15.53 | liable | ... |
| 12:16.19 | liable | dwdrums: err, what installer are you using now? |
| 12:16.32 | Eulex | paulswm, hehe |
| 12:16.32 | dwdrums | i am in kubuntu |
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| 12:16.47 | liable | dwdrums: you said etch! |
| 12:16.50 | dwdrums | why? |
| 12:17.08 | Eulex | <dwdrums> i got a problem! |
| 12:17.08 | Eulex | <dwdrums> with debian etch! |
| 12:17.10 | dwdrums | yes, i wanna install etch... |
| 12:17.25 | liable | !d-i dwdrums |
| 12:17.25 | dpkg | dwdrums, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:17.37 | jetscreamer | dwdrums never said he was using the etch installer |
| 12:17.40 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 12:17.46 | liable | dwdrums: get that one, then upgrade to etch if you want etch. |
| 12:18.03 | dwdrums | ok.. thx! |
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| 12:18.06 | jetscreamer | choose expert, and change in the installer |
| 12:18.07 | bluesceada | hi |
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| 12:18.33 | jetscreamer | hit F2 when the cd boots |
| 12:18.42 | jetscreamer | s/cd/medium/ |
| 12:18.46 | bluesceada | how could i use debian to have the latest stuff (of what i want) and still have something like an upgrade security command, which just updates security related stuff |
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| 12:18.54 | dwdrums | ok, i shall insatll sarge, und then upgrade to etch, or what? |
| 12:19.00 | jetscreamer | bluesceada: etch. |
| 12:19.06 | bluesceada | ah what'S that? |
| 12:19.07 | jetscreamer | dwdrums: that would work |
| 12:19.10 | liable | dwdrums: yeah |
| 12:19.19 | dwdrums | ok! |
| 12:19.28 | jetscreamer | it's the testing version, but it has 'SOME' security updates |
| 12:19.33 | jetscreamer | not sure how many/much |
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| 12:19.45 | bluesceada | like i want the newest 2.6 kernel and kde 3.5, but just manually installing them |
| 12:19.45 | jetscreamer | and it's fairly stable |
| 12:19.56 | TGoC | My apache is making alot of connections so when 30 people are browsing on my site the site practicly collapses what can i do about it? (netstat shows me atleast 10 to 20 time_wait's per IP) |
| 12:19.59 | jugglinx | dwdrums, but if is your time with debian, u should stay in sarge, maybe... |
| 12:19.59 | bluesceada | when i want to make an auto update it should just download security related stuff |
| 12:20.37 | jugglinx | dwdrums, should be more stable.... |
| 12:20.41 | jetscreamer | you wouldn't find security updates for versions > what's in etch though |
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| 12:20.51 | jetscreamer | in the etch sec sources |
| 12:20.52 | crypt_ex | I dont use Evolution, so I wanted to remove it, however when I execute apt-get remove evolution, it then states evolution and gnome will be removed :S Can I remove evolution or not? |
| 12:20.57 | bluesceada | ? |
| 12:21.05 | jetscreamer | crypt_ex: np, gnome is a metapackage |
| 12:21.13 | Mawrick | is ntfs read only on linux? - or atleast only experimental write? |
| 12:21.23 | jetscreamer | Mawrick: yes in older kernels |
| 12:21.36 | jetscreamer | lately i've seen rw enabled by default |
| 12:21.40 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 12:21.49 | bluesceada | yeah but just modifiying files.. |
| 12:21.50 | jetscreamer | in debian stock kernels |
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| 12:21.59 | feistel | hi |
| 12:22.03 | crypt_ex | jetscreamer, and its not needed then.... very strange name for a package considering its a xmanager? |
| 12:22.04 | Mawrick | how could I get it mounted to write, mine doesnt seem to automount rw option |
| 12:22.04 | bluesceada | otherwise use captive-ntfs which uses wine to use ntoskrnl.exe .. |
| 12:22.10 | jetscreamer | i never tired it yet |
| 12:22.11 | feistel | I have a question |
| 12:22.30 | dwdrums | i had sarge for a while, but i cannot upgrade to kde 3.5 for example! lots of versions dont run in srage! |
| 12:22.36 | jetscreamer | crypt_ex: it's to install all (sorta) |
| 12:22.37 | strider | Mawrick: use ntfsmount if you want ntfs write support. the default in 2.6.15 is very limited |
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| 12:22.56 | dwdrums | *new versions° |
| 12:22.57 | dwdrums | ! |
| 12:23.08 | wintalker | i can't have my bittorrent client work. i got test port 6881 ...NAT error. change the port doesn't work either. |
| 12:23.12 | crypt_ex | jetscreamer, so its safe then? :S |
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| 12:23.16 | adrakoa | hi |
| 12:23.22 | jetscreamer | you'll find kde 3.5 not in etch... i 'think' it's coming into sid |
| 12:23.25 | jugglinx | dwdrums, that s also true... i was just checking that etch was real what u want :-) |
| 12:23.31 | jetscreamer | crypt_ex: yeah lose the metapackage np] |
| 12:23.36 | crypt_ex | cool thanks |
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| 12:23.53 | Eulex | jetscreamer, kde 3.5 is in etch. |
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| 12:24.03 | jetscreamer | wintalker: open up some ports in your router and tell bt to use that range |
| 12:24.05 | Eulex | umh |
| 12:24.08 | Eulex | sid of course |
| 12:24.09 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 12:24.23 | jetscreamer | i use k3b and kpat |
| 12:24.29 | Eulex | jetscreamer, sorry, just /me show is confused. s/etch/sid/ of course |
| 12:24.34 | wintalker | it's not the router's problem. because it works under windows xp. |
| 12:24.41 | crypt_ex | the other thing was, can I safely remove mozilla, as I used Firefox...but it looks like a lots envolved with mozilla? |
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| 12:24.52 | jetscreamer | got a firewall in linux installed? |
| 12:25.09 | jetscreamer | crypt_ex: yeah moz can go np |
| 12:25.13 | crypt_ex | ta |
| 12:25.16 | wintalker | jetscreamer, it's not the router's problem. the bittorrent client works fine under windows xp. |
| 12:25.39 | jetscreamer | got a firewall in linux installed? |
| 12:25.46 | wintalker | jetscreamer, no |
| 12:26.09 | ChrisVdB | hi, is there someone who can explain the build errors for gaim-meanwhile on m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc and s390? http://people.debian.org/~igloo/status.php?packages=gaim-meanwhile It has something to do with gaim being uninstallable, but as far as I can see gaim _is_ installable on these architectures. Any ideas? |
| 12:26.14 | jetscreamer | well i don't know then, mine works after i open up the router |
| 12:26.21 | jetscreamer | and the software fw |
| 12:27.16 | wintalker | jetscreamer, i got my x-chat, gaim and mozzila works without the firewall. what's the problem? |
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| 12:27.42 | crypt_ex | Whats the epiphany-browser, will I miss this if I remove Mozilla, will an enviroment stuggle to work efficently without this? |
| 12:28.07 | Fackamato | Cannot open your terminal /dev/console - please check. |
| 12:28.10 | Fackamato | Why do I get that error message? |
| 12:28.10 | wintalker | i have tried bittorenado and azurus. both doesn't work. |
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| 12:29.54 | jetscreamer | crypt_ex: it's a gnome version of a browser... can go np imo |
| 12:30.01 | jetscreamer | wintalker: no idea. |
| 12:30.07 | strider | crypt_ex: it is just a browser. yes you can get rid of it |
| 12:30.11 | crypt_ex | jetscreamer, having a spring clean |
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| 12:31.06 | jetscreamer | wintalker: you could try pinging the tracker and se eif it's up |
| 12:32.25 | FifaFrazer | how can i change my x-window resolution after install ? |
| 12:32.42 | strider | Could anyone with Gnome and Sid check if open with other application ( while right clicking a file) works? |
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| 12:34.16 | crypt_ex | I am removing packages, but when I execute dpkg -l, its not updating, how can I update dpkg? |
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| 12:35.05 | shay | crypt_ex, it "updates" automatically |
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| 12:35.10 | adrakoa | FifaFrazer after install, you can change all |
| 12:35.23 | shay | crypt_ex, I'm gessing that you're not notting that the flags changes from "ii" to "rc" |
| 12:35.24 | crypt_ex | hmm |
| 12:35.54 | adrakoa | FifaFrazer do you use stable? |
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| 12:36.14 | crypt_ex | I am not sure....lets say for exampe, I remove ppp, then dpkg | grep ppp.... its still listed there rc ppp 2.4.3-20050321 Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon |
| 12:36.21 | crypt_ex | Is rc mean its removed? |
| 12:36.29 | shay | crypt_ex, yeah, but not totally removed |
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| 12:36.36 | shay | crypt_ex, you need to use the --purge option |
| 12:36.36 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: removed but configuration kept |
| 12:36.54 | crypt_ex | so is it too late to do apt-get purge ppp ? |
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| 12:37.12 | shay | crypt_ex, you can purge with dpkg |
| 12:37.18 | crypt_ex | cool. Will try. |
| 12:37.19 | crypt_ex | thanks |
| 12:37.51 | honschu | I want to change the "User-Agent:"-Line in kmail. Therefore I did a "apt-get source kmail". Changed some lines ins the code and now I want to create a new kmail_honschu.deb package that should replace my current kmail |
| 12:37.54 | shay | np |
| 12:37.58 | dimir | G'day! |
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| 12:40.50 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 12:40.51 | dpkg | somebody said dselect was a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
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| 12:43.48 | dodadew_ | I need to take a text file, drop the first 14 char's (they are random) of each line and save it. i cant see how grep will do this. any pointers? |
| 12:44.00 | wintalker | jetscreamer, thanks. i have solved the problem. it's the tracker's problem. i changed another. |
| 12:44.11 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 12:44.40 | wintalker | jetscreamer, 500kb/s now |
| 12:44.45 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 12:44.56 | wintalker | jetscreamer, how's your downloading? |
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| 12:45.51 | jetscreamer | works fine now that i bitched at sbc about capping me at 2 instead of 3 like the contract calls for |
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| 12:46.28 | jetscreamer | worked fine before too, but i missed that extra 100kb/s |
| 12:46.47 | jetscreamer | or 102.4 probably |
| 12:47.19 | wintalker | jetscreamer, what are you downloading? |
| 12:47.23 | jetscreamer | nothing atm |
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| 12:48.15 | jetscreamer | waiting around to go to work... what fun |
| 12:48.20 | Fackamato | ~ask |
| 12:48.25 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a quesiton first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 12:48.25 | Fackamato | :/ |
| 12:48.29 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 12:49.03 | tombs | hi all |
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| 12:52.30 | crypt_ex | dpkg -l lists the packages, I have installed, but some names have been cut off, and not able to work out what these are. Can I get dpkg -l to show the whole file name? |
| 12:52.30 | dpkg | ii lists the packages, I have installed, but some names have been cut off, and not able to work out what these are. Can I get dpkg -l to show the whole file name 1.6-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:52.51 | crypt_ex | oops |
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| 12:53.08 | TGoC | howto run a .deb package i downloaded from the internet? |
| 12:53.17 | jetscreamer | !tell crypt_ex -about reinstall |
| 12:53.18 | oramirez | dpkg -i |
| 12:53.25 | beardy | TGoC: What is it? |
| 12:53.28 | jetscreamer | try that one crypt_ex |
| 12:53.34 | crypt_ex | okay ta |
| 12:53.36 | TGoC | a .deb file (Bandwidth Monitor 0.5) |
| 12:53.48 | wintalker | !reinstall |
| 12:53.48 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 12:53.59 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg blah |
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| 12:54.10 | beardy | TGoC: There are plenty of bandwith monitoring things, no need to install a random .deb. |
| 12:54.13 | jetscreamer | the --get-selections should be readable |
| 12:54.30 | TGoC | beardy please tell me how i can get a deb file installed.. |
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| 12:54.43 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb you already were told how |
| 12:54.49 | TGoC | oh k jetscreamer |
| 12:54.49 | jetscreamer | blahblahblah |
| 12:55.13 | jetscreamer | !lart apt |
| 12:55.58 | beardy | TGoC: oramirez told you above.. |
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| 12:56.01 | TGoC | i got it |
| 12:56.02 | TGoC | ... |
| 12:56.06 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:56.10 | jetscreamer | laaag! |
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| 12:57.05 | jetscreamer | !tell rimmer91 -about root |
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| 12:57.19 | tyorke | ciao |
| 12:57.20 | tyorke | hi |
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| 12:57.38 | jetscreamer | ni hao |
| 12:57.44 | crypt_ex | cheers for that jetscreamer, dpkg --get-selections > packages worked for me and then searched it for part of the file I knew. Thanks |
| 12:58.12 | tyorke | I have a problem, I need libqt3c102-mt but I don't find it |
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| 12:59.00 | jetscreamer | tyorke: pdo, but you may have a problem with things being uninstalled when you install it |
| 12:59.03 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 12:59.03 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:59.08 | jetscreamer | is pdo up yet? |
| 12:59.28 | azeem | jetscreamer: can't you check? |
| 12:59.38 | jetscreamer | yes i can |
| 12:59.41 | jetscreamer | and yes i did |
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| 12:59.45 | jetscreamer | why |
| 12:59.52 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 13:00.31 | jetscreamer | tyorke: you'll have to find an alternate source for the .deb |
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| 13:00.53 | azeem | jetscreamer: pdo doesn't have any .debs |
| 13:00.56 | tyorke | like? (i'm italian) |
| 13:01.00 | azeem | it just has information on .debs |
| 13:01.36 | tombs | could someone indicate me a cd/dvd burner other than k3b and gnomebaker please? |
| 13:01.44 | tyorke | http://packages.debian.org/ I serch but... |
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| 13:01.48 | jetscreamer | like here http://www.google.com/search?as_q=libqt3c102-mt&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=debian.org&as_rights=&safe=off |
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| 13:02.19 | jetscreamer | tombs: gnomebaker gcombust cdw(ithink) others... try a package manager |
| 13:02.33 | jetscreamer | oh gee i didn't do the lang |
| 13:02.33 | azeem | tyorke: if it is anywhere, it is at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/ |
| 13:02.39 | azeem | tyorke: otherwise, check snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:02.46 | tombs | jetscreamer, thanx |
| 13:03.05 | tyorke | lol |
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| 13:03.51 | jetscreamer | here we go... italian. http://www.google.com/search?as_q=libqt3c102-mt&num=100&hl=it&newwindow=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=debian.org&as_rights=&safe=off |
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| 13:04.02 | tyorke | yesterday, it says that libqt not downloaded |
| 13:04.08 | jetscreamer | my uncle used to play for ya'll's basketball team a long time ago |
| 13:04.08 | tyorke | now ok |
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| 13:08.51 | tyorke | T_T |
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| 13:11.18 | tyorke | libqt3c102-mt_3.3.4-3_i386.deb conflict libqt3 |
| 13:11.38 | azeem | tyorke: well, yes |
| 13:12.02 | crypt_ex | is there anyway I can tell dpkg to purge all in -l list with rc in the front of it? |
| 13:12.13 | crypt_ex | rather than do this tedious manual task :S |
| 13:12.15 | tyorke | and delete k3b and other program for kde |
| 13:12.23 | azeem | crypt_ex: well, do some sed/grep magic |
| 13:12.27 | azeem | tyorke: yes |
| 13:12.28 | crypt_ex | ;) |
| 13:12.35 | azeem | tyorke: why do you need qt3c102? |
| 13:12.37 | crypt_ex | I been trying... whats whitespace for grep? |
| 13:12.50 | crypt_ex | or is that for sed? |
| 13:13.03 | tyorke | for install moviefly |
| 13:13.13 | ice_1963 | that's sid |
| 13:13.13 | crypt_ex | [:space:] is all I have found so far. |
| 13:13.17 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: untested, but should work: dpkg -l | grep "^rc" | while read p ; do dpkg --purge "$p" ; done |
| 13:13.20 | tyorke | but I need k3b |
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| 13:13.30 | crypt_ex | cheers :) |
| 13:13.51 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: test this first: dpkg -l | grep "^rc" | while read p ; do echo dpkg --purge "$p" ; done |
| 13:14.12 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: it just echoes what it would do |
| 13:14.24 | crypt_ex | Will try that |
| 13:14.32 | shay | POVaddct, oh, I did that wish awk |
| 13:14.41 | shay | POVaddct, yours seems easier :-P |
| 13:14.49 | wintalker | i can't open display of soft in terminal |
| 13:15.09 | wintalker | i got Gtk-warning : cannot open display |
| 13:15.11 | shay | s/wish/with |
| 13:15.37 | crypt_ex | POVaddct, It wont remove though... because it echos dpkg -l | grep "^rc" | while read p ; do echo dpkg --purge "$p" ; done |
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| 13:16.02 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: yeah. that was just a test |
| 13:16.12 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: remove the "echo" statement |
| 13:16.25 | crypt_ex | in perl I could do something like /rc\s+(\w+)/ | dpkg --purge $1 |
| 13:16.35 | crypt_ex | okay |
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| 13:17.09 | ice_1963 | dpkg --purge remove |
| 13:17.28 | OleMoudi | how can I see the block size I'm using in an ext3 partition? |
| 13:17.44 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: wait. there is a bug :) |
| 13:17.50 | crypt_ex | hehe |
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| 13:18.23 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: this should work: dpkg -l | grep "^rc" | while read x p x ; do dpkg --purge "$p" ; done |
| 13:18.51 | crypt_ex | Well done! |
| 13:19.10 | crypt_ex | Thanks for that POVaddct....now will try and work out what that all is. |
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| 13:19.51 | tyorke | It's impossible movie fly depend of python-qt3 qt3c102 but python-qt3 depend of qt3c but qt3c conflict whit qt3c102 |
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| 13:20.20 | azeem | tyorke: is moviefly in Debian? |
| 13:20.27 | crypt_ex | POVaddct, I dont get while read x p x; Whats that all about then? |
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| 13:21.30 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: the "read" statement can read more than one variable. the expected values are whitespace-separated. |
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| 13:21.42 | tyorke | https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lmc/ this |
| 13:21.57 | Aronofsky | hi, does anynone here ever used apache2 mod_authn_dbd to do mysql auth, because i cant find the mysql driver, the drivers seems to be in "srclib/apr-util/dbm/" , there are pgsql and other drivers but no mysql ... can anyone tell me where I can find those ? |
| 13:21.59 | ChrisVdB | hi, is there someone who can explain the build errors for gaim-meanwhile on m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc and s390? http://people.debian.org/~igloo/status.php?packages=gaim-meanwhile It has something to do with gaim being uninstallable, but as far as I can see gaim _is_ installable on these architectures. Any ideas? |
| 13:22.02 | POVaddct | crypt_ex: so x reads rc, p read the package name, and the second x reads the rest of the line |
| 13:22.20 | abrotman | christel: still ? |
| 13:22.29 | crypt_ex | ah cool...thanks, always nice to know how things work rather than just pushing it under the carpet. |
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| 13:23.15 | abrotman | christel: misfire .. sorry |
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| 13:23.52 | abrotman | ChrisVdB: i'm not a DD .. but i'd guess that since it can't install its build-deps .. that'd be a good reason to fail |
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| 13:24.39 | ChrisVdB | abrotman: but I have the feeling that gaim is (should be) installable on these architectures! |
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| 13:25.40 | abrotman | ChrisVdB: i have no doubt .. but if the build script can't install those -dev packages .. i can't imagine it will build successfully |
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| 13:26.23 | ChrisVdB | abrotman: will talk with gaim maintainer |
| 13:26.41 | abrotman | ChrisVdB: erm .. ok |
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| 13:27.52 | wintalker | i got a MP4 file. everytime i open it with totem, i got unexpectedly quit. |
| 13:28.16 | Guerin | wintalker: what backend? |
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| 13:29.01 | Guerin | ok, who knows an image viewer (other than kuickshow) which will preload the next image in a servies, for fast pregression? |
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| 13:29.20 | wintalker | Guerin, backend? what does it means? |
| 13:29.36 | strider | wintalker: xine or gstreamer |
| 13:29.51 | wintalker | strider, xine and totem |
| 13:29.57 | Guerin | wintalker: totem is just a gui - it uses either gstreamer or xine to actually play movies. Probably the backend you're using can't play that particular file. |
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| 13:30.02 | abrotman | Guerin: gtk/gnome programs not an option ? |
| 13:30.20 | Guerin | wintalker: i know xine has issues with .mp4 container, and gstreamer is basically just broken - suggest using vlc or mplayer |
| 13:30.34 | Guerin | abrotman: if they're not shit, which in my experience they all are |
| 13:30.42 | wintalker | Guerin, thanks. |
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| 13:30.51 | abrotman | Guerin: right then .. find your own :) |
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| 13:31.30 | strider | wintalker: yes, i've had issues with mp and xine myself |
| 13:31.34 | strider | *mp4 |
| 13:33.00 | Guerin | abrotman: :P~~~ |
| 13:33.00 | Guerin | the mp4 container is not well supported |
| 13:33.00 | Guerin | i find vlc to be best, but mplayer can play some of them |
| 13:33.01 | hellfire | totem? |
| 13:33.01 | inetd | dammet...sid still havent fixed the vlc issue :( |
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| 13:33.11 | inetd | i was looking forward to do some streaming with vlc today |
| 13:33.13 | ejofee | how do i convert ntfs to fat32 in gnu-linux, *without losing data*? |
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| 13:33.29 | Guerin | ejofee: back your data up and reformat |
| 13:33.35 | Guerin | ejofee: it's the only way. |
| 13:33.49 | jetscreamer | cp the data del the parts ... nm just do what Guerin said |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | ejofee: afaik .. windows CANNOT do that |
| 13:33.57 | paulswm | I tend to use mplayer from marillat, although it has some shortcomings as a standalone, compared to xine |
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| 13:34.14 | jetscreamer | yeah ms makes a fat32->ntfs but not the other way |
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| 13:34.49 | pox | hello, i want to copy somethign over a network with scp and i want to send it in background, problem is that it asks for password.. so if i use & at the end it will not work.. how can i resolve this ? |
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| 13:35.15 | ejofee | Guerin, abrotman: i know windows cannot do that. but i was hoping gnu-linux could do it. |
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| 13:35.29 | jetscreamer | do it, then 'send' it to the background? |
| 13:35.31 | Guerin | ejofee: nope. |
| 13:35.45 | pox | jetscreamer: and how do i do that ? |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | ejofee: do it the smart way .. backup your data . change the partition .. put it back |
| 13:36.11 | jetscreamer | i mean send the program to the background |
| 13:36.49 | pox | jetscreamer: how do i send it in bg while the program is running (i am connected there via ssh |
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| 13:37.00 | Guerin | pox: C-z |
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| 13:37.28 | jetscreamer | bg?http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/unixhelp/shell/jobz3.2.html |
| 13:37.31 | POVaddct | pox: run the scp command in screen(1) |
| 13:37.32 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:37.32 | xoz | C-z; bg |
| 13:37.34 | jetscreamer | http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/unixhelp/shell/jobz3.2.html |
| 13:37.44 | pox | Guerin: afaik that kills the process |
| 13:37.46 | xoz | what about scp -B |
| 13:38.01 | ejofee | Guerin, abrotman: thank you, folks |
| 13:38.04 | xoz | pox: type bg after C-z |
| 13:38.27 | Guerin | pox: nope, it backgrounds it - but will also cause it to stop if it's doing anything |
| 13:38.41 | ootput | anybody know why i'm unable to 'loadkeys' anymore? |
| 13:38.41 | hellfire | hellfire: i have configured my kernel in /usr/src/linux by doing make menuconfig, setting everything up. and the a make dep. can i now compile a single module or do i have to do make modules and compile all of them. (i need only one) |
| 13:38.46 | ootput | sorry, as a user |
| 13:38.51 | ootput | hellfire: that's a bad sign |
| 13:38.58 | jetscreamer | there is no /usr/src/linux |
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| 13:39.15 | hellfire | i mean the source. |
| 13:39.25 | jetscreamer | (sorry j/k) |
| 13:39.59 | ootput | you'll only be compiling the new module, as work has already been done for the others |
| 13:40.08 | strider | hellfire: yes you can |
| 13:40.11 | ootput | unless you make/make-kpkg clean'd it |
| 13:40.21 | hellfire | strider: how? |
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| 13:40.51 | Colui-Che-Tace | CE QUALCUNO CHE PARLA ITALIANO??????????????'' |
| 13:40.57 | strider | hellfire: what module do you want to compile in? |
| 13:40.59 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 13:41.00 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:41.22 | ootput | !caps |
| 13:41.23 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
| 13:41.25 | pox | Guerin, jetscreamer: thanx |
| 13:41.41 | jetscreamer | ootput: now in italian please :) |
| 13:41.55 | hellfire | strider: drivers/net/irda/nsc-ircc.c : this module has a line in the source which i edited. now i want do recompile only this module. |
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| 13:42.38 | jetscreamer | gee i should leave in 10 or so |
| 13:42.41 | jetscreamer | oh boy |
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| 13:42.54 | ootput | jetscreamer: wouldn't that be a fantastic feature though |
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| 13:42.59 | ootput | pipe through babelfish |
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| 13:43.39 | strider | hellfire: ahh, not that way |
| 13:44.31 | jetscreamer | you want /usr/src/modules i 'think', hellfire |
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| 13:45.45 | hellfire | strider: ok. ill check that out. |
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| 13:45.50 | strider | hellfire: you can do a modules_image if it's in /usr/src/modules |
| 13:47.02 | wintalker | i can't find a repository including mplayer source package. does anyone could give me one? thanks |
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| 13:47.13 | jetscreamer | !tell wintalker -about marillat |
| 13:47.33 | jetscreamer | oh not sure about source |
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| 13:47.47 | TGoC | Can i do it that if from 1 ip more then 5 connections are made that he closes the first one and so on? |
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| 13:49.00 | ejofee | is there any gui that does what df does? |
| 13:49.11 | xoz | ejofee: kdirstat |
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| 13:49.45 | ice_1963 | hello wood like to know if kde 3.4.3 from etch will get updated to kde 3.5 or jest stay 3.4.3? |
| 13:50.21 | kspath | no it will never get updated. They plan to keep that version until the end of days. |
| 13:50.28 | hellfire | strider, jetscreamer: thx. i now have compiled all of them. ill read about /usr/src/modules. |
| 13:51.03 | tull | hello! is there any tool to edit gnome menus in "testing"? |
| 13:51.24 | strider | tull: get alacarte |
| 13:51.25 | Guerin | ice_1963: it will eventually update, yes. |
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| 13:51.54 | Guerin | ice_1963: no telling exactly when; ask dpkg: why is kde not in testing? |
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| 13:52.23 | ejofee | xoz: thank you |
| 13:52.50 | kspath | ice_1963: a long term goal might be to check out ion3 and openbox3 so you need not worry about such things. |
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| 13:53.19 | jetscreamer | hey guerin what's 'goodbye' in korean (in english-text) |
| 13:53.33 | tull | strider: that isnt in my repository. have to look somewhere else. thanks |
| 13:53.33 | Guerin | jetscreamer: depends on context |
| 13:53.35 | kspath | anh yong ka se yo |
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| 13:53.42 | kspath | anh yong ke se yo |
| 13:54.07 | Cat_ | Hello. I was trying to update my system (testing) when apt wrote that the packages I was about to download were not authentifiicated. What does this mean? |
| 13:54.07 | Guerin | anh yongi k[ae] se yo |
| 13:54.14 | lodder_ | i have a question about debian i have a Acer Aspire 1692WLMi and i'm wondering if i could be able to run debian on it with wifi |
| 13:54.22 | ice_1963 | or jest install fluxbox |
| 13:54.29 | Guerin | ka is for when you're staying, ke is when you're going |
| 13:54.35 | jetscreamer | so yong ke and yo bo are kinda related in a hi/bye fashion.. and se yo is common to both.. cool. |
| 13:54.38 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:54.50 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 13:54.59 | jetscreamer | anh yong ke se yo |
| 13:55.09 | kspath | chun man e yo |
| 13:55.12 | Guerin | anh yongI |
| 13:55.26 | Guerin | or anh yong-ee |
| 13:55.46 | jetscreamer | hey a favor: don't teach me to cuss in korean :) |
| 13:55.47 | ejofee | xoz: any gnome equivalent? |
| 13:55.49 | jetscreamer | bye |
| 13:55.52 | Guerin | informally, you can say 'chal ga' when staying, or 'chal eso' when going |
| 13:57.35 | xoz | ejofee: not as good as kdirstat |
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| 13:57.51 | kspath | jetscreamer: hana dool set net tahset yoset yugul yodl ah-ho yul |
| 13:58.20 | ootput | i know that |
| 13:58.22 | Guerin | kspath: english teacher? |
| 13:58.28 | ootput | i took taekwondo for 7 years :) |
| 13:58.40 | kspath | hehehe |
| 13:58.43 | xoz | ejofee: durep |
| 13:58.44 | kspath | same here |
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| 13:59.23 | xoz | ejofee: xdiskusage. that's all |
| 13:59.29 | ootput | took japanese during the same period |
| 13:59.33 | kspath | tan juhn! |
| 13:59.37 | ootput | i gets pretty similar after a while |
| 13:59.44 | kspath | charyut! |
| 13:59.47 | kspath | chung yeh! |
| 13:59.52 | ootput | :) |
| 14:00.15 | ootput | how do you say "Bow to the flag?" |
| 14:00.18 | kspath | ichi ni san chi go ruku seechi hachi ku ju |
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| 14:00.46 | wintalker | i have got mplayed installed. but it dont's support to MP4 file. |
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| 14:00.50 | abrotman | !tell yob about snd |
| 14:00.54 | abrotman | !tell yob about sdn |
| 14:01.09 | ejofee | xoz: thanks a lot |
| 14:01.17 | yob | thankyou kindly :) |
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| 14:01.56 | dusty- | Whats a good program that will play .avi, .mpg, .wmv ? |
| 14:01.58 | abrotman | wintalker: did you install the w32codecs ? |
| 14:02.04 | ootput | dusty-: mplayer |
| 14:02.05 | Guerin | ootput: chalyeot! cheongne! baro. |
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| 14:02.11 | abrotman | !tell dusty- about w32codecs |
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| 14:02.24 | abrotman | dusty-: which those codecs you can use mplayer or xine |
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| 14:02.49 | Guerin | wintalker: vlc |
| 14:02.54 | kspath | the whole l and r pronunciation in korean can be very hard |
| 14:02.54 | wintalker | abrotman, nope. |
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| 14:03.04 | ootput | kuki |
| 14:03.05 | Guerin | abrotman: w32codecs are codecs, not container format support |
| 14:03.05 | wintalker | abrotman, i am going to install it |
| 14:03.07 | ootput | Kyoung-nay |
| 14:03.19 | dusty- | abrotman, thankyou |
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| 14:03.22 | ejofee | xoz: kdirstat doesn't show me partition size and available space |
| 14:03.30 | Guerin | ootput: you might be right, I've never seen it written. |
| 14:03.32 | ootput | notice how i put any vowel in the spelling of each korean word :) |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | Guerin: uhm .. ok |
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| 14:03.41 | ootput | _any_ |
| 14:03.42 | xoz | ejofee: use conky :) |
| 14:03.47 | wintalker | Guerin, then i must be try vlc now |
| 14:04.01 | abrotman | Guerin: i couldn't play .. installed .. could play .. they seem to work .. dunno |
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| 14:04.15 | abrotman | Guerin: alternately .. we could all switch to gstreamer :) |
| 14:04.16 | ootput | ejofee: does df -h work at all? |
| 14:04.17 | wintalker | -be |
| 14:04.19 | kspath | ootput: a lot of it is pure phoenetics |
| 14:04.35 | ootput | yeah, most are :) |
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| 14:04.47 | kspath | ootput: there are variations in korean also which makes it even harder |
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| 14:05.12 | ootput | gstreamer is horrendous |
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| 14:05.22 | kspath | ootput: of course there are variations in American English as well |
| 14:05.27 | KaTy[^^] | what is the best distro for a desktop? |
| 14:05.36 | ootput | windows |
| 14:05.43 | kspath | KaTy: the one that works for you. |
| 14:05.45 | abrotman | KaTy[^^]: debian . obviously |
| 14:05.51 | hatake_kakashi | why the hell are you asking that question here KaTy[^^] |
| 14:06.06 | ootput | justlinux or linuxquestions |
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| 14:06.22 | crypt_ex | lol |
| 14:06.28 | ootput | although, i like jl more when it was still linuxnewbies.net |
| 14:06.40 | kspath | ohio! |
| 14:06.49 | Guerin | abrotman: noooo |
| 14:07.05 | Guerin | kspath: korean isn't very variable |
| 14:07.09 | dusty- | !tell dusty- about marillat |
| 14:07.17 | Guerin | nothing like english |
| 14:07.22 | abrotman | Guerin: i haven't tried it in a while for media .. dunno if it's improved |
| 14:07.35 | dusty- | !tell dusty- about marillat.sid |
| 14:07.42 | Guerin | abrotman: ask tore |
| 14:08.22 | kspath | Guerin: not as much as English. But that is not a fair comparison Korea is small compared to most states in the US alone that does not even count non-US english which is all over the place |
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| 14:08.49 | ootput | self-taught korean can be tricky |
| 14:08.50 | ejofee | ootput: yes, it does. |
| 14:08.55 | crypt_ex | I have got my system perfect now to my liking and would like to make a copy of this on backup...if a problem ever occurs in the future, then I would like to just insert the disc I have made and it installs this back to normal. Anyone know any software than can do this? |
| 14:09.03 | ejofee | ootput: why? |
| 14:09.13 | Guerin | kspath: well ... the only real variation is jeju island |
| 14:09.24 | valdyn | crypt_ex: mondo |
| 14:09.24 | Guerin | kspath: where they speak a totally different dialect |
| 14:09.25 | ootput | ejofee: what how who? |
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| 14:09.37 | crypt_ex | valdyn, thanks will have a look into it. |
| 14:09.37 | kspath | ootput: any language acquired after age 6-8 is iffy compared to those that learn and keep before language sets hard |
| 14:10.06 | paivakil|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.29 | ootput | unless you move to said country |
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| 14:10.53 | ice_1963 | boy your smart |
| 14:11.03 | ootput | irony |
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| 14:11.32 | ootput | and don't call me boy |
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| 14:11.48 | kspath | ootput: You are an iron? |
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| 14:12.04 | kspath | iron like? |
| 14:12.11 | ootput | are you kidding me? |
| 14:12.14 | ootput | i'm the Shah of Iron |
| 14:12.32 | kspath | Speak Farcee? |
| 14:12.39 | kspath | hehehe |
| 14:12.48 | kspath | rather than Farsi |
| 14:12.54 | qas | crypt_ex--- partimage |
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| 14:13.02 | dusty- | dusty# umount /home/goldintel/public_html |
| 14:13.03 | dusty- | umount: /home/goldintel/public_html: statfs: Stale NFS file handle |
| 14:13.06 | dusty- | What does that mean? |
| 14:13.10 | crypt_ex | qas, downloading mondo atm |
| 14:13.15 | dusty- | I need to umount it so i can delete it? |
| 14:13.17 | ootput | :) |
| 14:13.20 | jeanseb | hello, I cant get java to run on debian 3.1: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Test/java |
| 14:13.27 | abrotman | dusty-: nfs won't let you disconnect the drive |
| 14:13.39 | dusty- | how can i |
| 14:13.45 | dusty- | kill the nfsd |
| 14:13.47 | abrotman | dusty-: is anything using one of the files? |
| 14:13.52 | dusty- | on the server |
| 14:13.55 | dusty- | maybe is a website |
| 14:14.12 | kspath | are you in a directory path for the nfs mount? |
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| 14:14.32 | ootput | dusty-: keep it all on one line ;) |
| 14:14.44 | dusty- | ? |
| 14:14.48 | dusty- | oh sorry. |
| 14:15.10 | dusty- | Nothings useing it, can i force and umount? |
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| 14:15.36 | ootput | lsof? |
| 14:15.47 | kspath | ugh! my left hand monitor is dying on my 3head sarge |
| 14:15.50 | ootput | grep the mountpoint |
| 14:16.04 | jeanseb | hello, I cant get java to run on debian 3.1: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Test/java |
| 14:16.16 | abrotman | which java .. and what app? |
| 14:16.19 | ootput | kspath: on sarge?! what on earth are you doing with the heads? |
| 14:16.23 | dusty- | ootput, what do you mean? |
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| 14:17.03 | ootput | dusty-: list open files, and grep for files that are nfs-mounted |
| 14:17.05 | dusty- | I killed mounted on the NFS server then tried deleting the folder to no avail, same error. What it is is i have a shell server and webserver and export the public_htmls on the shell to the webserver.. but i need to delete one. |
| 14:17.14 | dusty- | ootput, how do i do that? |
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| 14:18.56 | jeanseb | abrotman: hello, j2sdk1.4.2_10, and I am runninthe typical hello world example. Worked yesterday, and I could also run eclipse. But this morning I cannot start any java program |
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| 14:19.29 | abrotman | jeanseb: hrm .. did you try asking #java ? |
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| 14:20.00 | jeanseb | abrotman: which server please? |
| 14:20.14 | linuxfreck | jeanbaptiste: what happens? how did you install java? |
| 14:20.19 | Guerin | ##java, on freenode |
| 14:20.20 | linuxfreck | jeanseb: that is |
| 14:20.26 | dusty- | dusty# /usr/local/sbin/lsof | grep nfs |
| 14:20.27 | Guerin | you need to register with nickserv |
| 14:20.27 | dusty- | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() nfs file system /usr/home/goldintel/public_html |
| 14:20.27 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.27 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.33 | Guerin | dusty-: don't fucking paste |
| 14:20.36 | Guerin | eejit |
| 14:20.36 | abrotman | jeanseb: this one |
| 14:20.39 | dusty- | I got that ootput |
| 14:20.44 | dusty- | sorry |
| 14:20.51 | jeanseb | linuxfrek: I downloaded .bin from the java website and ran it |
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| 14:21.18 | Shib | Is there any possibility to write/read NTFS in debian? |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 14:21.49 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 14:21.55 | linuxfreck | jeanseb: install java using the java-package |
| 14:22.04 | linuxfreck | dpkg: tell jeanseb -about java-package |
| 14:22.13 | hatake_kakashi | Shib: yes but not recommended, do at your own risk |
| 14:22.16 | dusty- | spfft |
| 14:22.21 | dusty- | thanks for the help |
| 14:22.24 | hatake_kakashi | ro is available |
| 14:22.47 | larryBoy | i made a change to /etc/profile, but it doesn't seem to take effect..ever, unless I do ". /etc/profile" |
| 14:22.53 | s9ik3 | where I can find a repository for grsecurity? |
| 14:22.55 | Silent_al | hi , im trying to kill X with alt+ctrl+backspace , but it keeps loading back Xdm ... how can i kill X ? |
| 14:22.55 | larryBoy | is there a trick i am missing? |
| 14:22.57 | jeanseb | linuxfrek: jre or jdk? |
| 14:23.03 | |stefan_| | if i have a linuxhdd with no working kernels. how do i get a working kernel onto that partition ? |
| 14:23.05 | linuxfreck | Shib: the newest 2.6.15 kernel has support for writing to existing files |
| 14:23.17 | linuxfreck | Shib: you cannot create or delete files or folders though |
| 14:23.59 | Shib | So, if i plug in my external HDD, i should be availible to read it? |
| 14:24.06 | larryBoy | i thought /etc/profile would get run every time i logged in... |
| 14:24.17 | strider | Shib: 100% read support |
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| 14:24.27 | Shib | strider: Good |
| 14:24.48 | Shib | If i download the full DVD, is Gnome and KDE in it? :P |
| 14:24.58 | larryBoy | holy cow, 819 people?!? |
| 14:25.00 | Shib | DVD/DVD's |
| 14:25.45 | jeanseb | linuxfrek: E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 14:25.49 | ootput | Shib: binary-1 should contain both |
| 14:26.03 | strider | why does Gnome default with totem-xine and not totem-gstreamer? I would think that gstreamer is the more 'right' choice |
| 14:26.31 | ootput | you mean the lesser of two evils? |
| 14:27.03 | strider | hmm, with gstream 0.8 i guess so :( |
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| 14:27.08 | Shib | ootput: This is the right stuff? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 14:27.37 | ootput | Shib: that'd work. i used jigdo for my dvd image (etch + sid snapshots) though |
| 14:27.43 | abrotman | strider: gstreamer is "immature" |
| 14:28.13 | larryBoy | any thoughts on my /etc/profile question? ...anyone? ...anyone? |
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| 14:28.16 | larryBoy | :) |
| 14:28.19 | Shib | Okey, whats the diff between jigdo and bittorrent? |
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| 14:28.31 | ootput | ah, i can't seem to access http://debcentral.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=200 |
| 14:28.52 | ootput | Shib: jigdo pulls in individual packages, and assembles the iso, essentially |
| 14:28.54 | strider | abrotman: but xine would require non free codecs to get playback which gstreamer supports to quite an extent |
| 14:29.09 | ootput | Shib: which can result in a faster download if you have an excellent mirror nearby |
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| 14:29.20 | jeanseb | linuxfrek: are these java package for web browser or for dev? Can I run eclipse with them? |
| 14:29.36 | Diesel_Boy | where i can download the last debian version ? |
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| 14:29.58 | Shib | ootput: Okay, going to try it then :) |
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| 14:30.22 | ootput | Shib: if you're on Windows atm, there's a nice port |
| 14:30.46 | ootput | shower |
| 14:32.11 | abrotman | strider: yeah .. last i tried gstreamer it wasn't so hot .. but it's been a year or so |
| 14:32.35 | abrotman | larryBoy: no .. depends on how you login |
| 14:32.44 | abrotman | !d-i Diesel_Boy |
| 14:32.45 | dpkg | Diesel_Boy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:32.56 | larryBoy | abrotman, what always runs? |
| 14:33.15 | larryBoy | anything? |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | larryBoy: hrm .. nothing by default . you can have your .bash_profile be read by .bashrc of course .. or vice versa |
| 14:33.43 | strider | abrotman: I guess we could wait for 0.10 which hopefully ought to be better |
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| 14:34.33 | larryBoy | ok, i am using gdm, is there something that would always run there? |
| 14:34.34 | abrotman | strider: if you feel it's wrong .. file a bug(wishlist?) against totem .. ask that it use totem-gstreamer instead of totem-xine |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | larryBoy: for what purpose ? |
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| 14:35.04 | larryBoy | i want to set an alias for ls, and a couple env vars |
| 14:35.18 | strider | abrotman: yes, thanks :) |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | !.bashrc |
| 14:35.56 | abrotman | !bashrc |
| 14:35.56 | dpkg | well, ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | larryBoy: make sense ? |
| 14:36.16 | larryBoy | yes, is there a global place? |
| 14:37.21 | ice_1963 | what's that? |
| 14:37.23 | ejofee | is there any frontend to dpkg that i could bind all .deb files so that they may install on double-click? |
| 14:37.27 | larryBoy | is /etc/bash.bashrc global? |
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| 14:37.51 | larryBoy | and will those settings be set even if i click on a launcher? |
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| 14:38.01 | geronimo | hello :) |
| 14:38.29 | strider | ejofee: gdebi |
| 14:38.53 | ejofee | strider: thank you |
| 14:40.25 | Shib | is the 31.r1 the lateset? |
| 14:40.37 | abrotman | 3.1r1 .. latest stable release .. yes |
| 14:40.41 | drac | Shib: 3.1r0a, yea |
| 14:40.42 | Shib | thnx |
| 14:40.45 | drac | oh |
| 14:40.46 | drac | r1 ? |
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| 14:40.57 | Shib | debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 14:41.00 | abrotman | drac: a while ago :) |
| 14:41.04 | drac | man i'm outdated |
| 14:41.08 | drac | abrotman: yeah :) |
| 14:41.12 | coolpix | oi |
| 14:41.54 | strider | Shib: remember this is 'Stable'. |
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| 14:43.38 | Shib | strider: Yes |
| 14:43.58 | strider | great then ;) |
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| 14:44.36 | Shib | I've never runed Debian before, what should i use: KDE or Gnome? I've used KDE before in other systems |
| 14:45.00 | Eno_ | NoooOOOoo~ |
| 14:45.03 | Eno_ | :) |
| 14:45.13 | Shib | :P |
| 14:45.15 | beardy | Shib: You don't have to use any desktop. But if you like KDE, use that. |
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| 14:45.35 | drac | Shib: There is plenty of alternatives, in addition to KDE and Gnome.. |
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| 14:45.52 | yacc | Jan 18 14:37:28 localhost kernel: [4294682.300000] sdb : very big device. try to |
| 14:45.52 | yacc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.52 | yacc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.00 | strider | Shib: that's the best part. Anything you like |
| 14:46.08 | ootput | boy, the euronode server must be hammered right about now |
| 14:46.08 | Shib | Okay, but i think i going to use KDE, i'm used to that one :P |
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| 14:46.36 | jeanseb | hello fakeroot make-jpkg: No matching plugin was found |
| 14:46.40 | ootput | Shib: i guess it's best to work from the bottom up |
| 14:46.43 | beardy | Shib: Do that. You can install other window managers and try them out while you have KDE isntalled if you want. |
| 14:47.07 | ootput | ah, the joys of xhost |
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| 14:47.22 | Shib | beardy: That's great! :-) |
| 14:47.40 | Shib | Anyone knows if Call of Duty exists to linux? (no emulator) |
| 14:47.47 | Shib | The client |
| 14:48.15 | gloob | Shib: no |
| 14:48.56 | Shib | ok |
| 14:49.11 | strider | jeanseb: amd64? |
| 14:49.48 | jeanseb | strider: no. jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bi |
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| 14:50.35 | smallfoot | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_GNU/Linux |
| 14:51.25 | asg | smallfoot: /msg dpkg lesbian |
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| 14:52.32 | fox-boy | newbie here... any suggestions on which email app to use? |
| 14:52.37 | fox-boy | consider security |
| 14:52.58 | asg | fox-boy: client email app or mta? |
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| 14:53.07 | fox-boy | asg: client |
| 14:53.21 | asg | fox-boy: I like mutt |
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| 14:55.41 | strider | jeanseb: try a DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i386-linux fakeroot make-jpkg |
| 14:56.30 | fox-boy | asg: OK thanks |
| 14:56.36 | asg | fox-boy: you're welcome |
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| 14:58.06 | ootput | foot: mutt+ |
| 14:58.27 | jeanseb | strider: let me try |
| 14:59.10 | strider | jeanseb: do you have java-package installed as well? |
| 14:59.39 | jeanseb | strider: yes |
| 15:00.19 | smallfoot | wow, apt secure will be cool |
| 15:00.21 | smallfoot | it sounds great |
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| 15:01.03 | treyh0 | yeah it would be great to finally do something other crappy distros have been doing for years |
| 15:01.06 | treyh0 | signed packages |
| 15:02.34 | smallfoot | what other distros have it? |
| 15:02.40 | smallfoot | signed packages? |
| 15:02.44 | treyh0 | the rpm based ones, for one |
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| 15:03.23 | treyh0 | but im not trying to dissuade you |
| 15:03.31 | treyh0 | etch and sid rock with it :) |
| 15:04.20 | strider | jeanseb: did it work ? |
| 15:04.33 | ootput | most do |
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| 15:05.17 | jeanseb | I tried tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142: and does not work with jre |
| 15:05.31 | jeanseb | I just need to install java for eclipse |
| 15:05.50 | strider | jeanseb: what version of java-package do you have |
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| 15:06.09 | strider | jeanseb: because there was a bug before |
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| 15:06.27 | jeanseb | I tried with sdk |
| 15:06.42 | jeanseb | what is the difference between sdk and jre? |
| 15:06.51 | treyh0 | sdk is full development environment |
| 15:06.52 | treyh0 | for developers |
| 15:06.59 | treyh0 | jre is just ability to run java apps, for end users |
| 15:07.06 | ootput | runtime environment |
| 15:07.10 | strider | jeanseb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314234 |
| 15:07.25 | jeanseb | what do I need to run eclipse? sdk or jre? |
| 15:07.31 | ootput | jre |
| 15:07.39 | strider | make sue java-package is 0.25 and greater |
| 15:07.51 | pipeline | jeanseb: You're not going to do much interesting with eclipse without the SDK, though. |
| 15:08.18 | jeanseb | *I need eclipe with CDT for C/C++ programming |
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| 15:08.24 | strider | well you can always code in other languages with plugins |
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| 15:15.58 | strider | Could anyone using Gnome with Sid check if open with other applications (on right-clicking a file) works? |
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| 15:16.30 | nvz | strider: check the bts, file a bug. |
| 15:17.21 | ctrlER | hi, I have a nfs share that has a symbolic link to another folder on the server (that folder is owned by the same user as the share), when i connect to that share, i cant follow that symlink, the share is also shared with samba and the same happens, but if I connect to the samba server with a windows client, it follows the simlink just fine. Is there any way i can follow that symlink with a linux client, be it smb or nfs? thanks |
| 15:17.21 | strider | hmm, just was wondering if it was a sytem conf issue |
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| 15:19.28 | valdyn | ctrlER: it cant follow that symlink on your nfs share if it would have to go out of that shared folder to follow it |
| 15:19.49 | nvz | strider: then rule it out :P |
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| 15:20.01 | nvz | strider: mv .g* |
| 15:20.13 | nvz | strider: or make a new user or something |
| 15:20.35 | strider | nvz: yeah i guess so. Thanks |
| 15:20.49 | nvz | its strange there isnt a debian mailing list for gnome.. kde has one |
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| 15:21.13 | danyllo | t |
| 15:21.14 | ctrlER | valdyn, but in a samba share that *is* possible becaus windows client can follow it, just the linux client cant! |
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| 15:21.24 | nvz | there are probably good mailing lists for it, just not on l.d.o |
| 15:21.50 | valdyn | ctrlER: as far as i know windows does not know symlinks, so samba is 'translating' that share |
| 15:21.55 | valdyn | ctrlER: as far as i know windows does not know symlinks, so samba is 'translating' that symlink |
| 15:21.56 | strider | there is debian-gtk-gnome |
| 15:22.20 | nvz | thats probably a devel mailining list |
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| 15:22.28 | strider | it is |
| 15:22.51 | valdyn | ctrlER: /mnt/share/symlink could point to a locally existing file called /file or whatever |
| 15:23.17 | ctrlER | valdyn, nop, it is pointig to the correct place |
| 15:23.21 | valdyn | ctrlER: however it cannot point to the remote file /file |
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| 15:23.29 | ctrlER | valdyn, it is |
| 15:23.39 | valdyn | ctrlER: no, it cant on nfs |
| 15:23.49 | ctrlER | not on nfs |
| 15:23.56 | nvz | oh well I got to run to the store and grab a copy of my phone contract. I managed to get my bill from $76 to $29 this month.. but they are still royally screwming me.. I need to read my contract before I know just how much of it is legal. |
| 15:24.02 | ctrlER | i mean on samba with a windows client |
| 15:24.03 | valdyn | ctrlER: this is actually a bug in samba, in a way. |
| 15:24.08 | nvz | strider: good luck |
| 15:24.16 | valdyn | ctrlER: or just the lack of symlink support |
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| 15:24.25 | strider | nvz: heh, thanks |
| 15:24.46 | valdyn | ctrlER: show your example though.. |
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| 15:24.54 | torpid | What repository should I use to get mplayer? |
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| 15:25.01 | torpid | someone have that bot tell me about it |
| 15:25.02 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 15:25.02 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 15:25.04 | ctrlER | valdyn, how? |
| 15:25.12 | valdyn | ctrlER: cut and paste |
| 15:25.18 | torpid | Thanks ;) |
| 15:25.23 | ctrlER | err, but im in linux |
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| 15:26.03 | ctrlER | lrwxrwxrwx 1 ctrler ctrler 15 2006-01-15 06:44 temp -> /mnt/hdc1/temp/ |
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| 15:26.15 | ctrlER | this is the ls -la from ssh in the server |
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| 15:26.43 | Unity | rwxrwxrwx? |
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| 15:26.54 | valdyn | Unity: sure |
| 15:27.07 | Unity | that souns dangerous |
| 15:27.12 | torpid | How do I add unfree packages to my sources.list? |
| 15:27.23 | valdyn | Unity: its a symlink |
| 15:27.54 | valdyn | ctrlER: no surprise this doesnt work |
| 15:28.06 | Unity | oh i dunno how permissions work for symlinks |
| 15:28.17 | abrotman | obviously |
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| 15:28.33 | valdyn | Unity: ls -l /vmlinuz or somesuch |
| 15:28.40 | ctrlER | lrwxrwxrwx 1 ctrler ctrler 15 2006-01-15 06:44 temp -> /mnt/hdc1/temp/ |
| 15:28.51 | centrx | torpid, to whatever source you wish to add it, add at the end of the line the phrase "non-free" separated by a space from the rest of the line |
| 15:28.52 | ctrlER | this is the client view of the thing |
| 15:28.59 | centrx | torpid, that is, if it is not already there |
| 15:29.15 | centrx | torpid, the official sources have non-free, but some unofficial sources may not and it could produce a warning for those |
| 15:29.17 | valdyn | ctrlER: and /mnt/hdc1/temp does not exist on the client |
| 15:29.21 | Unity | valdyn: does that mean random ppl can delete the symlinks? |
| 15:29.27 | valdyn | Unity: no |
| 15:29.31 | torpid | Ok, thank you |
| 15:29.42 | Unity | valdyn: oh ok good |
| 15:29.45 | centrx | torpid, note that if you are adding non-free you probably also want "contrib" |
| 15:29.47 | ctrlER | valdyn, I can understand why it doesnt work, but if it works in windows client, then something is wrong... |
| 15:29.59 | centrx | torpid, which contains packages that are not non-free themselves but depend on non-free packages |
| 15:30.13 | valdyn | ctrlER: it works in an SAMBA share because samba has to 'translate' that link on the server |
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| 15:30.34 | valdyn | ctrlER: which it must due to windows not supporting symbolic links |
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| 15:31.05 | valdyn | ctrlER: the other possibility for samba would be just not to show that link at all |
| 15:31.09 | ctrlER | ctrlER, but that share is also mouted as samba in linux (I have it shared as nfs and as smb) |
| 15:31.28 | valdyn | ctrlER: so? |
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| 15:31.39 | valdyn | ctrlER: works fine in linux too certainly, mounted via samba |
| 15:31.48 | valdyn | ctrlER: works fine in linux too certainly, mounted via smbfs |
| 15:32.01 | ctrlER | valdyn, nop, IT is mounted via smbfs and IT doesnt work |
| 15:32.05 | ctrlER | thats my problem |
| 15:32.19 | ctrlER | (sorry i've confused this with the nfs part) |
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| 15:33.22 | ctrlER | linux recognizes the link even if it is mounted via smbfs, so it tries to follow it to the client machine, and it doesnt work |
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| 15:35.02 | nias | ok, hast recht. stack-basiert meint ich auch. weiss grad nicht wie das sich schimpft |
| 15:35.19 | abrotman | !de |
| 15:35.19 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:35.33 | POVaddct | nias: wrong channel :) |
| 15:35.38 | nias | ups sry wrong chat |
| 15:35.39 | torpid | Is the videolan client not avalable for debian? |
| 15:35.54 | torpid | I seem to remember it being avalable by default |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | torpid: a what? |
| 15:36.07 | drac | vlc |
| 15:36.11 | ctrlER | torpid, apt-get update vlc (be shure you have contrib and nonfree) |
| 15:36.26 | drac | ctrlER: wrong. "apt-get update" updates package lists. |
| 15:36.27 | ctrlER | torpid, apt-get install vlc (be shure you have contrib and nonfree) |
| 15:36.34 | drac | yeah. |
| 15:36.43 | torpid | oh, contrib |
| 15:36.50 | ctrlER | drac, sorry :) |
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| 15:37.20 | drac | ctrlER: nm :) |
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| 15:38.26 | torpid | "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" <-- doesn't contain vlc |
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| 15:39.10 | dinesh | hi, please how can I update my mysql server 4.0.24 to 4.0.26 with apt-get ? |
| 15:39.46 | smallfoot | mejbi bejbi |
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| 15:39.58 | chealer_ | dinesh: which release do you run? |
| 15:41.03 | dinesh | hmm, it seems to be stable |
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| 15:41.33 | jay | can anyone help me? |
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| 15:41.47 | chealer_ | dinesh: you can't unless you use unofficial packages |
| 15:41.55 | jay | I cant figure out why i have no sound |
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| 15:42.37 | dinesh | hm, what's the latest for that release? (package.debian.org is down atm) |
| 15:42.45 | jay | Please can anyone at least see my messages |
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| 15:43.01 | dinesh | mysql-server - mysql database server binaries |
| 15:43.02 | dinesh | mysql-server-4.1 - mysql database server binaries |
| 15:43.15 | chealer_ | dinesh: I don'T think it's down |
| 15:43.18 | dinesh | yup jay |
| 15:43.19 | asg | dinesh: /msg dpkg info mysql-server ; apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 15:43.24 | dinesh | "packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues." |
| 15:43.35 | chealer_ | hum |
| 15:43.45 | jay | phew before when i was using ksirc noone could see my messages |
| 15:44.00 | chealer_ | dinesh: on which URL do you get that? |
| 15:44.15 | dinesh | http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:44.27 | valdyn | ctrlER: whats the error message when 'it doesnt work' ? |
| 15:44.28 | chealer_ | dinesh: ah, OK |
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| 15:44.57 | mmars | i'm using testing and after running apt-get update, i get a message that says "Signature couldn't be verified because publick key not available. Run apt-get update to correct." But I run it again and I get the same error? |
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| 15:45.14 | asg | mmars: /topic |
| 15:45.20 | blondie | mmars: see topic |
| 15:45.26 | mmars | thx |
| 15:45.31 | smallfoot | Lesbian GNU/Linux, ehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_GNU/Linux |
| 15:45.45 | pipeline | smallfoot: oooooold. |
| 15:45.57 | smallfoot | article is new from today |
| 15:46.00 | asg | pipeline: it's the second time he's pasted it |
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| 15:46.09 | smallfoot | lesbian never gets old lol |
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| 15:46.19 | smallfoot | oh congratulations you can spell |
| 15:46.24 | smallfoot | i mean count lol |
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| 15:46.36 | ctrlER | valdyn, bash: cd: temp: No such file or directory |
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| 15:47.19 | jbroome | try tmp |
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| 15:49.24 | dusty- | Hello guys, im having a problem getting apache2 to work with php5, have a look at the errors im getting: http://81.111.12.2/error_log anyone got any ideas why this is happening? |
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| 15:49.40 | ctrlER | valdyn, I'm giving up on my samba shares, so I dont have to worry about windows accessing the linked dir and linux not, so, I have now another question |
| 15:50.16 | ctrlER | Since I'm going to share my home dir with nfs, is there a way to secure it with a password? |
| 15:50.31 | pipeline | nfs security is an oxymoron |
| 15:50.43 | pipeline | you can't actually secure it at all |
| 15:50.47 | Silent_al | hi :) does the how cac i know if the wine.deb pkg was compiled with OpenGL support? |
| 15:50.52 | pipeline | anyone with direct access to the network segment can sniff enough traffic to screw you. |
| 15:50.53 | Silent_al | cac= can |
| 15:51.04 | Silent_al | ignore the " does the" |
| 15:51.12 | pipeline | Silent_al: if you're using the winehq debian package, it is. If you're using the regular debian package, you have to install "libwine-opengl" or something along those lines. |
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| 15:51.36 | Silent_al | pipeline ok , thanx |
| 15:51.38 | Silent_al | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.54 | ctrlER | pipeline, is there any other secure way to share a dir? |
| 15:51.59 | Silent_al | pipeline, but i dont need to re-compile or somthing like that, right? |
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| 15:52.29 | ctrlER | pipeline, in a way that i can mount that dir in a client? |
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| 15:53.16 | ctrlER | I want a mounted dir to backup my data... |
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| 15:53.42 | valdyn | ctrlER: whats wrong with scp to backup your data? |
| 15:53.50 | blastmanu | hi |
| 15:54.05 | ctrlER | valdyn, slooooooow |
| 15:54.05 | valdyn | ctrlER: or rsync |
| 15:54.05 | pipeline | ctrlER: the only secure way to do that sort of thing is to use FUSE/sshfs |
| 15:54.07 | HolyGoat | Anyone happen to know where I can get the win32 codecs package nowadays? ftp.nerim.net seems to be down |
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| 15:54.15 | blastmanu | #debian.fr |
| 15:54.17 | azeem | !marillat |
| 15:54.18 | dpkg | i guess marillat is (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 15:54.21 | pipeline | ctrlER: Err, ssh/scp traffic isn't /that/ slow. |
| 15:54.31 | pipeline | ctrlER: Any PII class system is going to be able to saturate a 100 mbit network |
| 15:54.32 | valdyn | ctrlER: not significantly slower than anything else |
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| 15:54.49 | pipeline | ctrlER: Unless one of the systems here is like, sub 200 MHz, the network is going to be the bottleneck. |
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| 15:55.15 | ctrlER | ctrlER, i have a p2 and it only does about 3 or 4 mbytes per second |
| 15:55.16 | pipeline | ctrlER: I suggest you install module-assistant and sshfs, then build the fuse module. sshfs is secure and easy as hell to use. |
| 15:55.44 | ctrlER | pipeline, , i have a p2 and it only does about 3 or 4 mbytes per second |
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| 15:55.45 | pipeline | ctrlER: That sounds like a serious misconfiguration. A celeron 300 can handle ~8 mbytes a second via SSH. |
| 15:55.45 | valdyn | ctrlER: use a faster cypher |
| 15:55.45 | pipeline | ctrlER: Are you using a non-microswitched network? |
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| 15:55.47 | pipeline | ctrlER: Is full duplex enabled on the NIC? |
| 15:55.54 | pipeline | ctrlER: Do you have the NIC in a bus-mastering slot? |
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| 15:56.10 | pipeline | valdyn: A faster cipher probably isn't the issue here... the defaults are sane |
| 15:56.14 | HolyGoat | !marillat.etch |
| 15:56.14 | dpkg | methinks marillat.etch is type echo '"deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update;' to add the marillat repository to your sources.list |
| 15:56.14 | ctrlER | pipeline, on the same hardware samba does like 7mbits or more |
| 15:56.19 | ctrlER | pipeline, on the same hardware samba does like 7mbytes or more |
| 15:56.28 | abrotman | HolyGoat: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ |
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| 15:56.36 | pipeline | ctrlER: I don't know what to tell you. You have a configuration problem. Enough said. |
| 15:56.38 | HolyGoat | abrotman: thanks a bunch |
| 15:56.48 | ctrlER | pipeline, thaks :) |
| 15:56.49 | valdyn | pipeline: sane yea, but im not sure good for his slow computers |
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| 15:57.16 | ctrlER | valdyn, doesnt rsync need nfs? |
| 15:57.26 | valdyn | ctrlER: nope |
| 15:57.31 | ctrlER | humm... |
| 15:57.40 | pipeline | rsync uses its own protocol |
| 15:57.46 | pipeline | also, rsync can be tunneled through ssh very easily |
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| 15:57.54 | ctrlER | and is it secure? not insanely secure, but secure... |
| 15:58.04 | valdyn | ctrlER: insanely secure |
| 15:58.05 | pipeline | ctrlER: My preferred method of backing up is tar over ssh. |
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| 15:58.44 | ctrlER | valdyn, and if not over ssh, is rsync using some kind of encryptation? |
| 15:59.11 | pipeline | No. |
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| 15:59.23 | pipeline | rsync's creators expect you to use rsh or ssh for authentication. |
| 15:59.35 | ctrlER | pipeline, okidoki :) |
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| 16:00.52 | crypt_ex | argh.... Mondo had a fatal error on 69% burning to a dvd... oooh man |
| 16:01.12 | ctrlER | so, nfs, no security or authentication |
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| 16:01.27 | ctrlER | it seems you all sugest ssh or scp |
| 16:01.28 | xoz | what happened to links2 -g? it uses svgalib now? |
| 16:02.05 | ctrlER | but having to install fuse to mount it is a pita |
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| 16:03.52 | ctrlER | for backups ill use rsync over ssh... but for sharing, still dont know... |
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| 16:04.21 | blondie | sharing? |
| 16:04.27 | blondie | use NFS or CIFS |
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| 16:04.40 | blondie | on a LAN that is |
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| 16:05.23 | ctrlER | blondie, I would like some kind of authentication |
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| 16:05.48 | blondie | ctrlER: what OS are you sharing to? |
| 16:05.48 | ctrlER | and (im not shure) but it seems nfs does not support that |
| 16:05.53 | ctrlER | linux only |
| 16:06.14 | blondie | nfs can use authentication |
| 16:06.19 | valdyn | ctrlER: nothing wrong with nfs as long as no one can sniff traffic |
| 16:06.47 | blondie | we use it at work, though not sure of details |
| 16:07.18 | slug | hello all, have a question i am running debian testing with patched custom kernel 2.6.13cK8 how should i use the ati installer with the --buildpkg Debian/testing ?? |
| 16:07.19 | blondie | valdyn: sniff traffic or steal another machine's IP :P |
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| 16:07.47 | ctrlER | valdyn, I used wep, and it seemed that i was sharing my internet access with LOTS of people |
| 16:08.02 | ctrlER | I've switched to WPA with AES |
| 16:08.08 | KerPlunk | !tell slug about ati |
| 16:08.10 | ctrlER | but i'm still scared |
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| 16:08.15 | blondie | intentionally |
| 16:08.16 | valdyn | ctrlER: thats an entirely different layer |
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| 16:08.35 | KerPlunk | blondie: mine is open too, Share the wifi! |
| 16:08.41 | blondie | indeed |
| 16:08.42 | valdyn | ctrlER: if someone can break your wpa then he cant sniff your nfs traffic |
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| 16:08.52 | ctrlER | valdyn, why not? |
| 16:08.53 | valdyn | ctrlER: s/cant/can/ |
| 16:08.56 | blondie | it's outseide the firewall to my LAN |
| 16:09.01 | valdyn | ctrlER: typo |
| 16:09.03 | ctrlER | oh |
| 16:09.09 | treyh0 | can the etch debian install resize existing partitions? |
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| 16:09.18 | johhny_b | are there any webinterfaces for mplayer? so you can remote control your movies?? |
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| 16:09.27 | slug | KerPlunk: link did not work... |
| 16:09.30 | blondie | I can use SSH or VPN if I want secure connections over it |
| 16:09.35 | blondie | johhny_b: #mplayer? |
| 16:09.37 | QiLLeR | UdontKnow Brazil? |
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| 16:09.47 | KerPlunk | johhny_b: /join #mplayer |
| 16:10.00 | slug | KerPlunk: should i run the program with out a cmd or with --buildpkg Debian/testing? |
| 16:10.06 | johhny_b | KerPlunk: thnx |
| 16:10.08 | UdontKnow | QiLLeR: yeah |
| 16:10.18 | UdontKnow | QiLLeR: I know Brazil, though |
| 16:10.18 | ctrlER | decisions decisions decisions... |
| 16:10.22 | ctrlER | :) |
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| 16:10.35 | treyh0 | yay for debian wiki |
| 16:10.37 | valdyn | ctrlER: sshfs works nicely too, if you dont need more than its limited capabilities |
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| 16:10.56 | smallfoot | oi |
| 16:10.57 | QiLLeR | UdontKnow Tem como eu ter o cd do Ubuntu? Gratis? |
| 16:10.58 | smallfoot | br?? |
| 16:11.06 | QiLLeR | smallfoot sim BR |
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| 16:11.08 | smallfoot | SIM |
| 16:11.17 | QiLLeR | smallfoot tem como eu ter o cd? |
| 16:11.17 | smallfoot | AFF FDP PORRA |
| 16:11.20 | smallfoot | per favore frii iten plx |
| 16:11.21 | QiLLeR | ahuah |
| 16:11.21 | QiLLeR | ;] |
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| 16:11.29 | smallfoot | HUahAUheaHUeahuehUAEheauhE xDD |
| 16:11.31 | QiLLeR | hahahahahah |
| 16:11.34 | blondie | !pt |
| 16:11.35 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:11.39 | smallfoot | buceta |
| 16:11.43 | smallfoot | SIM |
| 16:11.53 | QiLLeR | dpkg, Obrigado viado eu nao tinha visto |
| 16:11.56 | ctrlER | smallfoot, cona :) |
| 16:11.56 | QiLLeR | eu nao sabia |
| 16:11.58 | QiLLeR | thank! |
| 16:11.59 | blondie | speak English |
| 16:12.07 | smallfoot | dpkg, hablas portugeuse???++ |
| 16:12.12 | slug | please help! just sitting infront of the ati installer and wondering what option i have to use for debian testing and custom kernel ..... |
| 16:12.16 | smallfoot | blondie, SIM |
| 16:12.19 | QiLLeR | blacke ok viadinho obrigado, thank! |
| 16:12.26 | blondie | smallfoot: same to you too |
| 16:12.31 | valdyn | slug: dont use this installer |
| 16:12.35 | smallfoot | bct |
| 16:12.48 | smallfoot | no tengo firesword |
| 16:12.50 | smallfoot | :( |
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| 16:13.33 | slug | valdyn: sould i use flavio.stanchina drivers ? |
| 16:13.37 | slug | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:14.05 | smallfoot | per favore protetore |
| 16:14.18 | kspath | !smite smallfoot |
| 16:14.36 | blondie | smallfoot: fuck off to #debian-br already |
| 16:14.37 | smallfoot | give me item |
| 16:14.39 | kspath | Observe the language is ENGLISH. |
| 16:14.43 | smallfoot | !smite kspath |
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| 16:14.49 | smallfoot | SIM |
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| 16:14.54 | treyh0 | !beer treyh0 |
| 16:15.03 | smallfoot | !beer smallfoot |
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| 16:15.12 | smallfoot | blondie tengo recist??=? |
| 16:15.22 | eXHeiM | hi, i have a problem with looking glass |
| 16:15.32 | blondie | smallfoot asdla;askd;lkewr,wemr234asd3??!?!?" |
| 16:15.37 | eXHeiM | i don't know why it doesn't run |
| 16:15.40 | kspath | smallfoot is confused. VERY confused. or a troll bot. |
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| 16:15.54 | smallfoot | hmm |
| 16:15.57 | smallfoot | you say im trollbot? |
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| 16:16.03 | smallfoot | I NO SPIK INGLISCH |
| 16:16.07 | smallfoot | brazil 4 lyfe xD |
| 16:16.08 | smallfoot | bitches |
| 16:16.19 | blondie | smallfoot: well piss off to the right channel then |
| 16:16.23 | kspath | #brazil enjoy |
| 16:16.24 | smallfoot | ok |
| 16:16.25 | treyh0 | smallfoot has nothing better to do with his weekend |
| 16:16.35 | dvs | !ops smallfoot is trolling |
| 16:16.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: smallfoot is trolling |
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| 16:16.37 | smallfoot | Bem-vindo ao #Debian-BR, canal sobre os Projetos Debian e Debian-BR <http://www.debianbrasil.org/>. Se vocĂª Ă© novo no canal, digite /msg debconf guidelines? |
| 16:16.46 | ctrlER | smallfoot, esta merda é um canal em ingles, baza (this is an english room) |
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| 16:16.54 | smallfoot | SIM |
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| 16:17.06 | smallfoot | da mi cos |
| 16:17.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*i=gorilla@*.041-5-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] by azeem |
| 16:17.11 | *** kick/#debian [smallfoot!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (troll elsewhere) |
| 16:17.13 | kspath | adio |
| 16:17.13 | blondie | bye bye |
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| 16:17.20 | ctrlER | hehehe |
| 16:17.23 | QiLLeR | ctrlER vc nao traduziu o "merda" |
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| 16:17.38 | ctrlER | QiLLeR, nao era preciso :P |
| 16:17.50 | QiLLeR | ctrlER ahh |
| 16:17.54 | QiLLeR | (this is an english room) |
| 16:17.57 | bluenail | Hey, what's the "right way" to configure debian for static IP, it automaticily detected my DHCP server on install and set itself up to use it. (I could delete /etc/init.d/networking and replace it with a bunch of ifconfig up statements and such, but I'm sure there is a way that is less likly to break other scripts) |
| 16:17.59 | QiLLeR | falta algo ^^ |
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| 16:18.10 | stew | bluenail: man interfaces |
| 16:18.15 | r0b0 | hi, I've upgraded gnome to 2.12 and I'm getting xkb errors.. and keyboard layout switching doesn't work |
| 16:18.17 | bluenail | stew thanks |
| 16:18.22 | kspath | QiLLeR: Language |
| 16:18.31 | azeem | QiLLeR: please talk english in here, or leave |
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| 16:19.03 | ctrlER | azeem, we're not trolling |
| 16:19.05 | ctrlER | :) |
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| 16:19.29 | eXHeiN | hi, I have a problem with looking glass |
| 16:19.37 | kspath | If you do not observe the language for several lines than you might have to re-think it. |
| 16:19.46 | QiLLeR | azeem i cant speak portuguese from my friend |
| 16:19.47 | QiLLeR | ? |
| 16:19.51 | eXHeiN | when I try to run it, it doesn't do anything :\ |
| 16:19.53 | azeem | QiLLeR: no, not here |
| 16:19.59 | QiLLeR | okay, sorry sir! |
| 16:20.00 | blondie | QiLLeR: speak it in #debian-br or in PM |
| 16:20.06 | eXHeiN | exheim@lxuser:~/lg3d/bin$ ./lg3d-dev |
| 16:20.06 | eXHeiN | Starting up Project Looking Glass... |
| 16:20.06 | eXHeiN | exheim@lxuser:~/lg3d/bin$ |
| 16:20.17 | eXHeiN | :\ |
| 16:20.18 | QiLLeR | blondie UdontKnow sets mode +m |
| 16:20.19 | QiLLeR | =\ |
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| 16:20.26 | kspath | QiLLeR: there are other channels and /notice and /msg and many other methods of communications you may want to educate yourself about today or NOW. |
| 16:20.27 | ctrlER | blondie, PORTUGUESE is not allways debian-br |
| 16:20.35 | ctrlER | im from portugal and that offends me |
| 16:20.42 | asg | eXHeiN: try strace -o tracefile ./lg3d-dev (read the tracefile and see where it fails and why) |
| 16:20.47 | QiLLeR | kspath ohh sorry sir! =\ |
| 16:20.49 | blondie | ctrlER: I don't care |
| 16:20.53 | kspath | ctrIER: #portugal |
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| 16:20.56 | blondie | ctrlER: just don't speak it in here :P |
| 16:20.57 | crs_bia | I've just got a new debian sarge box, and for some reason, mutt behaves strangely when changing mailboxes: extra characters are left on the screen, etc. it sounds similar to "UTF-8 chars are displayed fine, but the screen is garbled" from http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttFaq/Charset. |
| 16:20.58 | eXHeiN | thanks asg |
| 16:21.12 | crs_bia | But mutt is already linked against ncursesw |
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| 16:21.35 | jay | Excuse me can anyone help me with a sound prob? |
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| 16:21.46 | blondie | ctrlER: join #debian-pt if you want |
| 16:21.52 | stew | jay: if you have a specific question, just ask |
| 16:22.00 | ctrlER | blondie, yeahm thats better :) |
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| 16:22.49 | jay | Ok i finally got video working but i have no sound what soever the drivers are installed i cant figure it out cause i am net to all this. I am using a sis chipset |
| 16:23.00 | crs_bia | changing LC_CTYPE, LANG, etc. doesn't seem to help. |
| 16:23.15 | stew | jay: are you trying to use alsa or oss? |
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| 16:23.34 | crs_bia | I've got another box with all the same packages installed, but different locale settings, and that does work... |
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| 16:23.59 | jay | Alsa |
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| 16:24.17 | kspath | blondie: things get so much more quiet with ignore |
| 16:24.24 | stew | jay: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:24.31 | blondie | o.O |
| 16:24.55 | kspath | O.o ? |
| 16:25.02 | r0b0 | hi, I've upgraded gnome to 2.12 and I'm getting xkb errors, the same errors when I run gnome-keyboard-properties and change anything... and keyboard layout switching doesn't work |
| 16:25.09 | jay | 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 16:26.12 | stew | jay: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one liner |
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| 16:26.37 | slug | okay installed the drivers from flavio and all works perfect :) okay they are not the newest drivers , but dont care |
| 16:26.57 | stew | jay: err, make that /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 16:27.15 | stew | !2.4 alsa one liner is <reply> see 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 16:27.15 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 16:28.07 | Alinux | slug ? Siena Linux User Group ? :) |
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| 16:31.07 | comradek | Hey all. I accidentally canceled my Debian install, so I ran tasksel to get and update the packages I want, but my PC will not load X. I never went through an X configuration so I assume this is why. How do I start up the X configuremajig |
| 16:32.02 | Miesco | With fetchmail I add 'keep' to my fetchmailrc and when I fetchmail, it says the message has not been flushed, but when I try to get it with KMail, nothing is there... |
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| 16:33.20 | jay | hmm still nothing, i am sorry i am not too good at this |
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| 16:34.08 | Miesco | reading message miesco251@gmail-pop.l.google.com:1 of 1 (1207 octets) . not flushed |
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| 16:35.20 | stew | jay: what module is being loaded for your sound card? |
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| 16:35.44 | jay | How do i know that stu? |
| 16:36.05 | Miesco | jay: lsmod |
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| 16:36.49 | jay | ac97_codec 13300 0 [i810_audio] |
| 16:36.49 | jay | soundcore 3940 2 [snd i810_audio] |
| 16:37.10 | jetscreamer | !tell comradek -about drxx |
| 16:37.34 | dvs | jay: You're using OSS |
| 16:37.37 | jetscreamer | and you might want to apt-get -f install first |
| 16:37.49 | Miesco | comradek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:38.02 | krummie | hi, my server generates loads of 260+ out of nowhere. I really have no idea what might be causing this. here a few suspicious lines from the apache global error_log file. |
| 16:38.02 | krummie | [Sat Jan 21 03:39:28 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 16:38.03 | krummie | [Sat Jan 21 03:40:15 2006] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] |
| 16:38.03 | comradek | alrighty |
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| 16:38.30 | abrotman | krummie: #apache might know more about that specific error |
| 16:38.31 | krummie | any idea on what might be causing such a high load? or a way to find out? |
| 16:38.35 | Miesco | jay: If you want to use alsa, apt-get alsaconf |
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| 16:39.08 | abrotman | !alsa-oneliner |
| 16:39.13 | abrotman | wait .. that's wrong! grr |
| 16:39.24 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:39.24 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 16:39.39 | dvs | wrong one ;-) |
| 16:39.56 | jay | how do i run alsa mixer? Sorry for being so dumb |
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| 16:40.05 | dvs | jay: You don't have ALSA |
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| 16:41.34 | crypt_ex | Anyone recommend an application I can use to make a backup of my system to a dvd, so if anything happens in the future I can restore of it. I have tried Mundo, and if failed after 69% of writing the disc and I am not prepared to try again. |
| 16:42.06 | stew | jay: you want to remove all those sound modules with "modprobe -r modulename" and try loading snd-via82xx |
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| 16:42.25 | dvs | stew: Huh? Why not snd-intel8x0? |
| 16:42.58 | Miesco | Anyone have problems with the embedded mplayer plugin for mozilla? |
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| 16:43.22 | stew | oh, my mistake |
| 16:43.45 | stew | jay: you don't want snd-via82xx, i thought you said via not sis |
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| 16:44.21 | KerPlunk | !tell Miesco about bts |
| 16:45.04 | jay | Omg why did i even try to do this |
| 16:45.20 | jetscreamer | there is a dvdbackup program in sources, i forget the name.. probably > 1 also... the tag reads 'backup your system to dvd' or somelthing |
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| 16:45.57 | crypt_ex | okay will apt-cache search |
| 16:45.58 | stew | jay: have you or have you not followed the instructions in /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner? |
| 16:46.07 | jay | yes stew |
| 16:46.26 | abrotman | alsa on 2.4 is so not worth it :) |
| 16:46.36 | jay | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 16:46.44 | beshig | can anybody help me to install KDE in debian (i can speak german(i´am german), english oder french(not so good)) |
| 16:46.46 | beshig | ? |
| 16:46.59 | dvs | jay: What does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
| 16:47.16 | abrotman | !de |
| 16:47.17 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 16:47.17 | jay | lsmod | grep snd |
| 16:47.21 | jay | oops |
| 16:47.29 | beshig | thx@dpkg |
| 16:47.40 | crypt_ex | jetscreamer, you mean cdrw-taper - taper replacement for amanda to support backups to CD-RW or DVD+RW ? |
| 16:47.48 | jay | snd 34276 0 (autoclean) |
| 16:47.48 | jay | snd-page-alloc 4936 0 (autoclean) [snd] |
| 16:47.48 | jay | soundcore 3940 2 [snd i810_audio] |
| 16:48.00 | rod | i speak german but i dont want to go to debian-de!! :') |
| 16:48.01 | dvs | jay: that's still OSS |
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| 16:48.06 | jetscreamer | crypt_ex: iirc that's not the name i remember :) |
| 16:48.20 | dvs | jay: You gotta take those modules out |
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| 16:48.29 | jay | ok |
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| 16:48.57 | r0b0 | I think my gnome keyboard switching problem is this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347767 |
| 16:48.58 | crypt_ex | hmm....frustrating, as I only have one dvd left! |
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| 16:49.07 | r0b0 | can anyone think of something I could do? |
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| 16:50.01 | jetscreamer | here's one called cdbackup |
| 16:50.06 | jay | i810_audio: Device or resource busy |
| 16:50.44 | dvs | jay: modprobe -r snd |
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| 16:52.10 | XTF | Hi. Where in Gnome is the setting to open all applications with a maximized window by default? |
| 16:52.34 | jay | ok i removed that |
| 16:52.55 | azeem | XTF: does your GNOME have this behaviour? |
| 16:53.02 | stew | jay: you won't be able to use alsa until i810_audio is removed |
| 16:53.16 | XTF | azeem: No :( I want to enable it. |
| 16:53.25 | azeem | XTF: I don't know of such an option |
| 16:53.28 | azeem | and I doubt there is one |
| 16:53.28 | dvs | stew: Wouldn't modprobe -r snd remove that? |
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| 16:53.33 | azeem | but dunno |
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| 16:53.36 | dvs | jay: What does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
| 16:53.41 | jay | nothing now |
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| 16:53.59 | dvs | jay: Good. Now follow that 2.4 one-liner thingy? |
| 16:54.02 | dvs | jay: Good. Now follow that 2.4 one-liner thingy! |
| 16:54.08 | XTF | azeem: Why do you doubt such a setting exists? |
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| 16:54.22 | stew | dvs: i810_audio being an oss module wouldn't depend on snd |
| 16:54.28 | azeem | XTF: because it doesn't sound very useful for most users |
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| 16:54.35 | azeem | but maybe there is, dunno |
| 16:54.41 | Florian-T | hi all |
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| 16:55.02 | dvs | stew: Oh. I misread the lsmod output. |
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| 16:55.07 | Florian-T | ich have a problem with 2 soundcards |
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| 16:55.24 | xoz | XTF: try rightclick on the bar of the window... you might find some options there... not sure though |
| 16:55.25 | Florian-T | one onboard, another plugged via pci |
| 16:55.29 | dvs | jay: You gotta do the "modprobe -r i810_audio" too |
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| 16:56.07 | Florian-T | the onboard gets loaded first at bootup and will be /dev/dsp |
| 16:56.33 | Miesco | How do I get embedded video playing in my browser? |
| 16:56.35 | Florian-T | i want to change this so that sblive gets /dev/dsp |
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| 16:56.40 | jay | i810_audio: Device or resource busy |
| 16:57.15 | XTF | xox: No options to change the default behaviour. |
| 16:57.25 | cahoot | Florian-T: using alsa on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:57.29 | crypt_ex | I installed Mondo earlier on, and it downloaded about 6-7 other debs which it installed. I want to remove mondo now, however when I go to remove this it does not remove those other debs. How can I find out the last debs that were installed? |
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| 16:57.46 | XTF | azeem: Do most 'normal' users wish to have multiple windows next to eachother by default? |
| 16:57.56 | Cillian | Where can I find the installation disks for the latest stable version of debian? |
| 16:57.58 | r0b0 | crypt_ex, that's exactly why you should use aptitude |
| 16:58.04 | valdyn | Florian-T: easy solution for this is to put the device drivers in order into /etc/modules |
| 16:58.09 | blondie | Cillian: on the internets |
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| 16:58.18 | Cillian | well duh |
| 16:58.22 | crypt_ex | r0b0, aptitude....will that sort this situation out? |
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| 16:58.30 | Cillian | i've been round the website like 3 times and can't find any floppy images |
| 16:58.38 | blondie | floppy images? |
| 16:58.46 | Florian-T | valdyn: yes, thats what i thought, but i have no idea how to do :) |
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| 16:58.55 | Cillian | yes, floppy imges |
| 16:58.58 | Cillian | * images |
| 16:58.58 | blondie | Cillian: can't you boot from CD? |
| 16:58.58 | Florian-T | cahoot: yes |
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| 16:59.00 | valdyn | Florian-T: 'vi /etc/modules' |
| 16:59.06 | Cillian | I don't want to burn a CD |
| 16:59.14 | Florian-T | valdyn: yes, i'm there |
| 16:59.14 | Cillian | and the docs says there are floppy images |
| 16:59.16 | blondie | why not? |
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| 16:59.19 | r0b0 | crypt_ex, well.. not now.. it would have helped if you used it to install the packages. the 3 depending one would be marked as automatically installed and would be removed when you remove mondo |
| 16:59.20 | blondie | it's much easier |
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| 16:59.39 | jay | ok so i cant remove the i810_audio so what do i do next? sorry |
| 16:59.44 | valdyn | Florian-T: so just add the drivers in your preferred order |
| 17:00.10 | Cillian | my cd burner is so slow it'll take me all afternoon to burn a cd |
| 17:00.13 | crypt_ex | r0b0, ah got you...will have to use that from now on then. |
| 17:00.14 | Florian-T | well, what is the driver for a ICH5 chip? |
| 17:00.16 | blondie | well, try here: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 17:00.19 | Cillian | not to mention downloading the isos takes a few hours |
| 17:00.20 | blondie | (that's a UK site) |
| 17:00.25 | xoz | jay: you have to kill the process using that module |
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| 17:00.30 | blondie | the netinst CD is only 25MB |
| 17:00.32 | blondie | *35 |
| 17:00.39 | _shad_ | Anyone having problems installing mysql-server-5.0? |
| 17:00.41 | valdyn | Florian-T: no idea, maybe reading the output of 'lsmod | grep snd' will give me a clue |
| 17:00.55 | jetscreamer | i think that's the businesscard one blondie ... tne netinst is like 56 |
| 17:01.00 | chealer_ | is somebody aware of something being done about packages.debian.org's frontpage saying the site is down? |
| 17:01.05 | r0b0 | crypt_ex, yea, you can use the same command line arguments as if it was apt-get or you can use it as if it was dselect, with the menus and stuff |
| 17:01.06 | vin` | blondie: no, 110MB, the biz card is ~35 |
| 17:01.06 | abrotman | netinst is 110MB .. BC is 40MB |
| 17:01.07 | blondie | jetscreamer: ah well, same difference ;) |
| 17:01.10 | Cillian | blondie: thanks |
| 17:01.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 17:01.17 | blondie | Fine, but 110MB isn't much imo |
| 17:01.19 | jay | ok i killed it? next ? |
| 17:01.20 | harto | do you think if they are an iineret at use openmosix with more vmware ? |
| 17:01.27 | keyhack | Has anyone installed LIRC on Debian unstable? |
| 17:01.35 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 17:01.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:01.49 | blondie | IMO it takes longer than that to find a floppy disk that works! |
| 17:01.52 | keyhack | Alright, how do I install LIRC then? |
| 17:01.57 | crypt_ex | r0b0, cool, any ideas with mess I am in now? |
| 17:02.09 | jetscreamer | yeah all my floppies are dead... most of my floppy drives are too |
| 17:02.16 | jetscreamer | i have a couple |
| 17:02.29 | Florian-T | valdyn: snd_emu10k1 |
| 17:02.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: viagara? |
| 17:02.42 | r0b0 | crypt_ex, "less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:02.42 | r0b0 | " could help |
| 17:02.45 | valdyn | Florian-T: this sounds like an sblive driver |
| 17:02.47 | dvs | jay: You gotta do the "modprobe -r i810_audio" |
| 17:02.55 | Florian-T | yes, for my sblive card |
| 17:02.59 | jay | dvs i just did that |
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| 17:03.05 | jetscreamer | emu10k1 is for sblive and that other one.... |
| 17:03.11 | jetscreamer | the more recent |
| 17:03.12 | dvs | jay: Oh, NOW the 2.4 one-liner |
| 17:03.15 | chealer_ | keyhack: you install the lirc package, presumably |
| 17:03.16 | valdyn | Florian-T: so just add that to /etc/modules |
| 17:03.16 | Florian-T | and snd_intel8x0 should be the onboard |
| 17:03.22 | valdyn | Florian-T: yea |
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| 17:03.37 | crypt_ex | r0b0, no such file. |
| 17:03.40 | Florian-T | hmm, there is a entry with "above" |
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| 17:03.52 | keyhack | chealer_: Yeah, but there are several: "lirc lirc-modules-source" |
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| 17:04.57 | chealer_ | keyhack: you most likely have to install lirc anyway |
| 17:05.02 | KerPlunk | !tell _shad_ about anyone |
| 17:05.12 | KerPlunk | !tell _shad_ about mysql |
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| 17:06.09 | randey | how to disable wrong key stroke sound? |
| 17:06.17 | _shad_ | KerPlunk: I'm having issues on doing an update. I get an error processing on unpacking |
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| 17:06.41 | ctrlER | guys, Im using scp with gftp, and im only getting 1mbyte per seccond on an 100mbits ethernet |
| 17:06.48 | jay | Thank you all so much! |
| 17:06.56 | pipeline | ctrlER: There's something seriously wrong here. How slow are the systems in question? |
| 17:07.02 | pipeline | ctrlER: Oh, wait, gftp? |
| 17:07.12 | dvs | jay: One last thing. Put the snd_ modules in your /etc/modules |
| 17:07.13 | pipeline | ctrlER: Try using regular scp, or sshfs. |
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| 17:07.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:09.39 | ctrlER | pipeline, how can i know the download speed with sftp? |
| 17:10.05 | ctrlER | sftp is the same as scp wright? |
| 17:10.07 | pipeline | ctrlER: You can watch how fast the target is getting larger. |
| 17:10.11 | pipeline | ctrlER: sftp is a superset of scp |
| 17:10.25 | pipeline | ctrlER: sftp requires scp access plus certain shell commands on the remote system. |
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| 17:10.30 | ctrlER | err? superset? (english is not my native language |
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| 17:10.40 | pipeline | ctrlER: Just use tar+ssh / rsync+ssh / sshfs. Stop screwing around :P |
| 17:10.51 | ctrlER | lol |
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| 17:11.38 | ctrlER | sftp is doing 4mbits per second and going up |
| 17:11.46 | ctrlER | so... the problem is gftp |
| 17:11.52 | ctrlER | thanks pipeline |
| 17:11.54 | ctrlER | :) |
| 17:12.00 | priest | Is there someone who can tell me a name of a web based program for book management? |
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| 17:12.29 | pipeline | ctrlER: http://pastebin.ca/37846 |
| 17:12.50 | pipeline | ctrlER: In combination with gnu tar's "-l" option, it makes tar+ssh a really good way to do backups |
| 17:12.56 | pipeline | priest: uh, inventory? |
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| 17:13.22 | paulswm | ctrlER: iftop |
| 17:13.27 | pipeline | priest: http://www.ferrarilibrary.org.vt.edu/index.php?my_content=1&fcontent=announcement.html ? |
| 17:13.28 | priest | pipeline, yes, some kind of "management" for books. |
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| 17:14.03 | omerix | how can i install a font(maybe windows a font) in linux |
| 17:14.21 | pipeline | omerix: Put it in ~/.fonts |
| 17:14.26 | pipeline | omerix: At least, that's how gnome handles the problem. |
| 17:14.59 | my_true_hero | quick question: if this is my processor http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819116198 , what version of debian do I need? |
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| 17:15.15 | priest | pipeline, thanks. |
| 17:15.29 | ptlis | i386 |
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| 17:15.40 | pipeline | ptlis: What about it? |
| 17:15.53 | rend | i installed VLC and it fails to play WMV for me? |
| 17:15.58 | my_true_hero | not IA-64? |
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| 17:16.08 | dvs | my_true_hero: That's Itanium |
| 17:16.15 | pipeline | my_true_hero: That's not an ia64 chip... |
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| 17:16.22 | Nirgal | my_true_hero: i686 kernel |
| 17:16.35 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Although ... HP is selling ia64 systems for like, less than 2000 if that's what floats your boat. |
| 17:16.38 | ptlis | Well, you're looking at a p4 which is x86, not itanium. |
| 17:16.50 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Ever since they canned their workstation line, the refurbished ia64 systems have gotten really cehap. |
| 17:16.54 | dvs | !pal HP |
| 17:17.11 | omerix | pipeline: i couldn2t find this directory ~/ |
| 17:17.11 | rend | how can i play .wmv in linux? |
| 17:17.20 | my_true_hero | will the i386 build take advantage of my 64-bit chip, though? |
| 17:17.28 | Nirgal | rend: I do it with mplayer |
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| 17:17.28 | pipeline | omerix: ~ is your home directory. |
| 17:17.29 | azeem | rend: it depends on the version |
| 17:17.40 | azeem | rend: wmv9 needs pretty new players I think |
| 17:17.41 | pipeline | my_true_hero: No. |
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| 17:17.46 | Unholycurse | hi all |
| 17:17.47 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Do you have more than four gigs of RAM? |
| 17:17.59 | pipeline | my_true_hero: If not, you won't be taking advantage of your 64 bit chip regardless of the architecture you install. |
| 17:18.02 | dvs | my_true_hero: x86-64 is not officially supported by Debian yet |
| 17:18.04 | my_true_hero | just one, though I'm planning on upgrading to four |
| 17:18.07 | my_true_hero | err |
| 17:18.09 | my_true_hero | upgrading to two* |
| 17:18.16 | azeem | dvs: but inofficially it is |
| 17:18.22 | Unholycurse | i´m trying install lazarus, someone may help? i dont know what libraries are missing... |
| 17:18.22 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Well, unless you go over about three point five gigs, there's not really any reason to use amd64. |
| 17:18.29 | azeem | or rather almost-officially |
| 17:18.40 | azeem | pipeline: except for the registers |
| 17:18.53 | pipeline | my_true_hero: After you go over ~3.5G, you run into a performance hit if you're not using a 64 bit OS. As you don't intend to have that much ram, it's a moot point. Install i386. |
| 17:18.53 | omerix | pipeline: there is no fonts directory in home directory |
| 17:18.55 | my_true_hero | sounds good. |
| 17:18.56 | azeem | omerix: create it |
| 17:18.56 | pipeline | omerix: no, .fonts, not fonts. |
| 17:19.00 | pipeline | omerix: it will be hidden |
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| 17:19.03 | Unholycurse | i read the documentation of lazarus but didnt find what libraries it uses |
| 17:19.10 | pipeline | omerix: files that start with a "." are hidden by default. You would do "ls -a" to show them. |
| 17:19.20 | azeem | Unholycurse: is it available as a Debian package? |
| 17:19.24 | pipeline | apt-cache search lazarus |
| 17:19.34 | omerix | ok thanks |
| 17:19.36 | Unholycurse | >azeem<: no, its not... |
| 17:19.41 | keyhack | Is there another way to reconfigure an application that failed to properly configure/install other than running "dpkg-reconfigure <package>" |
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| 17:19.46 | pipeline | Unholycurse: it looks like it is to me... |
| 17:19.52 | azeem | keyhack: dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:19.54 | pipeline | tct - Forensics related utilities. |
| 17:19.55 | pipeline | lazarus - Rapid Application Development (RAD) tool for Free Pascal |
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| 17:20.16 | ptlis | Is Etch's stable release still expected towards the end of this year? |
| 17:20.17 | pipeline | keyhack: You can also apt-get --reinstall install it. |
| 17:20.21 | my_true_hero | generally speaking, is it better to get the "stable" version of debian, or the "testing" one? |
| 17:20.24 | Unholycurse | Hey, pipeline: are u using the unstable or the testing flavor? i´m using etch |
| 17:20.24 | azeem | ptlis: yes |
| 17:20.25 | pipeline | my_true_hero: stable |
| 17:20.28 | dvs | ptlis: I |
| 17:20.29 | Aronofsky | hi , i got some errors tryin to compile mod_ssl.c with apxs on apache2, here are the kind of errors : "ssl_toolkit_compat.h:248:2: #error "Unrecognized SSL Toolkit!" ... anyone had an idea ? |
| 17:20.34 | dvs | ptlis: I'll NEVER believe that! |
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| 17:20.41 | ptlis | ;P |
| 17:20.55 | dvs | my_true_hero: Stable |
| 17:20.58 | pipeline | Unholycurse: I'm on unstable. |
| 17:21.05 | keyhack | pipeline: Yeah i tried that, it won't go back into the console dialog like it did on the first time |
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| 17:21.07 | pipeline | Unholycurse: Mixing unstable and testing is sometimes practical. |
| 17:21.09 | my_true_hero | I've heard that the stable branch uses outdated packages, though? |
| 17:21.16 | pipeline | keyhack: then purge it and reinstall |
| 17:21.19 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Yup. |
| 17:21.23 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Just security updates. |
| 17:21.26 | Unholycurse | (pipeline): i´m using testing, maybe cause of that there isnt the package |
| 17:21.27 | keyhack | pipeline: How do I purge it? |
| 17:21.29 | pipeline | my_true_hero: The upside to this is that nothing is horribly broken. |
| 17:21.34 | pipeline | keyhack: dpkg --purge or apt-get --purge remove |
| 17:21.36 | ptlis | How complete is the unofficial AMD64 release of sarge? Last time I looked it was missing some fairly (for my use) integral apps: OO was AWOL, as was Fx. |
| 17:21.42 | pipeline | ptlis: Fucking horrible. |
| 17:22.04 | pipeline | Unholycurse: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 17:22.16 | Spork_Boy | can anyone toll me why hald goes dead every time I re-insert a usb drive? |
| 17:22.16 | pipeline | Unholycurse: This way you can install a handful of packages from unstable while keeping the bulk of your system on "testing" |
| 17:22.21 | keyhack | pipeline: Still, it won't bring me to the dialog after purging |
| 17:22.25 | degantyll | How can I mix stable and unstable? |
| 17:22.27 | pipeline | keyhack: I don't know what to tell you. |
| 17:22.29 | pipeline | degantyll: You can't. |
| 17:22.33 | dvs | degantyll: you dont |
| 17:22.46 | my_true_hero | if I get the stable build, can I still update certain packages? like, is it easy to get the latest version of firefox, for instance? |
| 17:22.55 | degantyll | Why is that so? |
| 17:22.57 | dvs | my_true_hero: get the backports |
| 17:23.18 | azeem | degantyll: because it isn't meant to be |
| 17:23.21 | pipeline | my_true_hero: backports.org is about your only option. |
| 17:23.21 | dvs | degantyll: They use different versions of libraries for starters |
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| 17:23.36 | pipeline | my_true_hero: Also, firefox is the devil. |
| 17:23.42 | keyhack | great |
| 17:23.44 | Unholycurse | |pipeline|: than u, i will read... |
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| 17:23.52 | degantyll | yeah, I notices, seems unstable has more recent libraries, which would be useful to me |
| 17:23.56 | dude | mwilson here? |
| 17:23.59 | kspath | dillo? links2? lynx? |
| 17:24.04 | azeem | degantyll: what do you need libraries for? |
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| 17:24.14 | azeem | !seen mwilson |
| 17:24.14 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 95d 20h 17m 51s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 17:24.14 | rend | damn i love debian |
| 17:24.16 | pipeline | degantyll: If you have to ask these sorts of questions, you have no business mucking about with unstable. |
| 17:24.30 | my_true_hero | pipeline: why's that? the extensions and all that are useful, in my opinion. what browser do you use? |
| 17:24.33 | degantyll | azeem, they seem to be getting outdated |
| 17:24.37 | degantyll | pipeline, i guess so |
| 17:24.46 | azeem | degantyll: well, maybe |
| 17:24.49 | rend | plus this channel is a lifesave |
| 17:24.51 | pipeline | my_true_hero: I, sadly, use galeon, because I can't fucking stand KDE. Nevertheless, mozilla and its derivatives are horrible browsers. Firefox particularly so. |
| 17:24.54 | azeem | but people use applications, not libraries |
| 17:24.58 | azeem | unless they are developers |
| 17:25.03 | steppirotta | i've got a question |
| 17:25.06 | steppirotta | :) |
| 17:25.08 | pipeline | my_true_hero: A browser should not use 200+ M of RAM. A browser should not require security updates. A browser should not provide most functions through lame-ass "extensions" |
| 17:25.23 | degantyll | azeem, some deb packages ask me for this libraries |
| 17:25.28 | pipeline | my_true_hero: If KDE didn't drive me so insane, I would be using konqueror. |
| 17:25.31 | rend | pipeline: firefox on windows would use up 200m ram |
| 17:25.36 | azeem | degantyll: did you try using backports? |
| 17:25.43 | azeem | www.backports.org |
| 17:25.45 | rend | but that windows was fuxored |
| 17:25.46 | Spork_Boy | yeah, my firefox keeps crashing on me for no apparent reason. But Opera apparently doesn't support cups. |
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| 17:25.55 | my_true_hero | pipeline: what drives you insane about KDE? (other than all the applikations) |
| 17:25.56 | steppirotta | Is it possible to get Buffalo wireless card working on debian? |
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| 17:26.08 | js_ | can i run a 64bit system that includes 32bit libraries so its possible to execute 32bit applications? |
| 17:26.09 | dvs | steppirotta: Model number please |
| 17:26.09 | dude | steppirotta have you googled? |
| 17:26.16 | steppirotta | i have googled |
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| 17:26.21 | steppirotta | wli2-g54s |
| 17:26.26 | steppirotta | pci |
| 17:26.27 | degantyll | azeem, Rather interesting, I'll check it out |
| 17:26.30 | pipeline | js_: Not trivially. |
| 17:26.36 | _shad_ | + |
| 17:26.40 | dude | steppirotta what about the app that allows any wiresless ard to be used, ohh, what's it name |
| 17:26.41 | keyhack | "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10" |
| 17:26.42 | ctrlER | pipeline, thanks for the tiny url |
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| 17:26.58 | azeem | js_: see http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 |
| 17:27.02 | cahoot | Spork_Boy: opera seems to print fine here (cups based printing system) |
| 17:27.05 | azeem | I think there is a howto for that |
| 17:27.22 | steppirotta | dude: try to remember. i love debian but got this lan prob :) |
| 17:27.25 | Spork_Boy | cahoot: I couldn't even get it to give me that option. |
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| 17:27.33 | degantyll | azeem, it seems that is what I was looking for, thank you. |
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| 17:28.26 | kspath | azeem: It would appear that many of the people that come into #debian prefer one line simple answers to howtos readme man guides wikis maillists newsgroups ... |
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| 17:28.26 | keyhack | what the hell, I cannot remove this package and get it to reinstall properly, I need to get back to the original config dialog so I can change an option, and now it won't uninstall or install |
| 17:28.46 | SperMite | anyone else having trouble with etch packages |
| 17:28.49 | SperMite | ? |
| 17:29.05 | _rene_ | depends on wich. |
| 17:29.06 | maxxle | does anybody know... is there a channel for skype? |
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| 17:29.16 | _rene_ | etch has problems, yes, that's why it's "testing" |
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| 17:29.47 | SperMite | _rene i'm having trouble with kmplayer |
| 17:29.47 | keyhack | I guess I'll just have to reinstall the OS partition again |
| 17:30.04 | azeem | keyhack: what is the actual error? |
| 17:30.11 | azeem | you just cited dpkg's summary above |
| 17:30.24 | my_true_hero | thanks for the help and advice, everyone |
| 17:30.27 | _rene_ | SperMite: aha. kmplayer isn't in testing so well.... |
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| 17:31.10 | SperMite | _rene_ how can you check whats in testing and whats not because its in all my etch sources.list |
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| 17:31.34 | Spork_Boy | anybody got any ideas on this hald usb drive problem I'm having? |
| 17:31.42 | _rene_ | SperMite: mplayer isn't in testing and neither is kmplayer |
| 17:31.43 | imachine | hello. what package can i find cu or tip in ? |
| 17:31.44 | keyhack | "apt-get --purge remove bootsplash", tries to remove "bootsplash-theme-newlinux" first, which throws an error "error processing bootsplash-theme-newlinux (--purge)" "subprocess pre-removal script return error exist status 10" |
| 17:31.51 | _rene_ | SperMite: you have some other source where they are. |
| 17:31.53 | keyhack | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg return an error code (1) |
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| 17:32.08 | imachine | apt-cache search tip or search cu doesnt bring anything notable as output |
| 17:32.09 | _rene_ | SperMite: neither of them are in Debian at all |
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| 17:32.20 | azeem | keyhack: run dpkg -P bootsplash-theme-newlinux |
| 17:32.28 | azeem | keyhack: then paste the full output to a pastebin |
| 17:32.29 | SperMite | _rene_ well i use mplayer just fine |
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| 17:32.47 | keyhack | azeem: Won't be able to paste, this is on another box with no X or anything |
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| 17:33.03 | imachine | any ideas anyone ? |
| 17:33.10 | keyhack | it's a one liner |
| 17:33.22 | _rene_ | SperMite: and? both packages are still not in the Debian repos |
| 17:33.23 | keyhack | "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove bootsplash-theme-linux which isn't installed" |
| 17:33.26 | beardy | keyhack: Use gpm. |
| 17:33.38 | _rene_ | SperMite: and kmplayer is KDE I guess and I uess it wasn't rebuilt for the newer KDEs |
| 17:33.38 | azeem | keyhack: how were you able to paste now? |
| 17:33.42 | flawd | synaptic gives: "depends: sun-j2re1.5 but it is not installable" |
| 17:33.46 | keyhack | azeem: I typed it out |
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| 17:35.06 | _rene_ | flawd: use java-package (make-jpkg to make that deb out of suns crap) |
| 17:35.06 | flawd | ty |
| 17:35.07 | azeem | keyhack: so try dpkg -P bootsplash |
| 17:35.08 | imachine | ... |
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| 17:35.08 | imachine | i need to hook up to mhy alphaserver through serial console |
| 17:35.08 | dude | k |
| 17:35.08 | keyhack | azeem: Same message |
| 17:35.11 | imachine | how is it done in debian |
| 17:35.11 | SperMite | _rene_ no there in my repos but when trying to get kmplayer i got kmplayer: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1) but it is not installable |
| 17:35.23 | _rene_ | see. exactly as I guessed |
| 17:35.26 | _rene_ | kmplayer is broken because it didn't yet rebuilt against the new KDE |
| 17:35.31 | azeem | imachine: minicom maybe? |
| 17:35.33 | beardy | imachine: How do you mean? You have a machine that you want to connect to, to it's serialport? |
| 17:35.43 | imachine | minicom huh |
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| 17:35.48 | imachine | no tip or cu ? |
| 17:35.53 | imachine | im fond of bsd ways hmm |
| 17:36.01 | imachine | let me try i hope this might work with minicom |
| 17:36.09 | beardy | imachine: Yes, minicom works fine. |
| 17:36.28 | imachine | any other apps avail for debian based systems? |
| 17:36.37 | imachine | i'd really like cu :P |
| 17:36.37 | keyhack | azeem: So if it claims they aren't installed, what do I type that would do a "fresh" install, where I'd get the original setup dialog (if i type apt-get --reinstall install bootsplash), it'll just go straight to an error message about post-install yadda yadda, it's not asking me for the input config like the original install |
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| 17:36.51 | beardy | imachine: You mean terminal emulators able to connect using a serial line? |
| 17:36.56 | imachine | yes |
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| 17:37.26 | azeem | imachine: apt-get install cu |
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| 17:37.27 | Aronofsky | hi , i got some errors tryin to compile mod_ssl.c with apxs on apache2, here are the kind of errors : "ssl_toolkit_compat.h:248:2: #error "Unrecognized SSL Toolkit!" ... anyone had an idea ? |
| 17:37.28 | Danar | when i get to the login screen a dialog pops up saying i have an invalid configuration. something about an invalid command in the login script (so running the default command). how do i fix this? |
| 17:37.49 | imachine | azeem, that simple huh |
| 17:37.51 | Danar | running testing, and just upgraded a bunch of stuff |
| 17:38.00 | SperMite | _rene_ well im only using 3.4.3, kmplayer works fine on my 3.5 gentoo box, but i guess thats the luck of portage |
| 17:38.00 | imachine | lol |
| 17:38.05 | imachine | sorry |
| 17:38.10 | azeem | np |
| 17:38.17 | imachine | azeem, i couldnt find a good answer from apt-cache search |
| 17:38.18 | Jazbo | Does anyone know if there is a simple way to limit the percentage of CPU that a process is allowed to use? |
| 17:38.31 | imachine | i thought its probably hidden under some serial-tools package or something :P ;] |
| 17:38.43 | azeem | keyhack: then try to remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.* |
| 17:38.55 | azeem | keyhack: where "foo" are your two packages |
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| 17:39.09 | beardy | imachine: Where can it be found, url? Perhaps you can build it yourself, if you really want/nned it? |
| 17:39.30 | Danar | anyone? |
| 17:39.32 | steppirotta | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 17:39.39 | steppirotta | do i have to dl both of those |
| 17:39.41 | steppirotta | :) |
| 17:39.42 | beardy | imachine: But try minicom first, perhaps you like it. |
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| 17:40.46 | abrotman | !root |
| 17:40.46 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 17:40.47 | keyhack | azeem: Ok, then I did a purge, and got no error, then I did "apt-get install bootsplash", and now I'm back to where I was, it never launched into the setup dialog |
| 17:41.09 | beardy | imachine: "the uucp modem-dialing program" ? Is that really what you want? uucp? |
| 17:41.13 | azeem | keyhack: then maybe it doesn't purge correctly |
| 17:41.13 | dvs | Where's the ROOT message? |
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| 17:41.45 | beardy | dvs: From apt you mean? |
| 17:41.54 | dvs | beardy: that too ;-) |
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| 17:42.23 | beardy | dvs: Been gone a long time.. |
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| 17:42.29 | keyhack | azeem: Well, it says "serious warning: files list for package X missing, assuming package has no files currently installed" |
| 17:42.33 | beardy | dvs: Do it yourself :) |
| 17:42.39 | dvs | D'oh! |
| 17:42.43 | beardy | ROOOOOOOT has landed!! |
| 17:42.45 | azeem | keyhack: what did you remove? |
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| 17:43.25 | steppirotta | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ <- Do i have to download both images? |
| 17:43.26 | keyhack | azeem: bootsplash.* and bootsplash-theme-newlinux.* |
| 17:43.30 | abrotman | steppirotta: for what? |
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| 17:43.44 | DevilChaos | hi guys |
| 17:43.56 | steppirotta | abrotman: to install debian |
| 17:43.58 | DevilChaos | does any of you folks use smoothwall? |
| 17:44.04 | azeem | keyhack: ah, "X" was "bootsplash"? |
| 17:44.13 | keyhack | azeem: yeah, and the theme too |
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| 17:44.15 | abrotman | steppirotta: do you have broadband ? |
| 17:44.25 | DevilChaos | im having trouble making the boot disk any help would be great |
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| 17:44.29 | steppirotta | abrotman: yes |
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| 17:44.33 | abrotman | !d-i steppirotta |
| 17:44.33 | dpkg | steppirotta, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:44.37 | muhoo | in nagios, how would i enter some intermittently-on nodes like laptops, so that i don't get alert notices or nasty RED alarms when they turn the damn things off? |
| 17:44.39 | azeem | keyhack: well, check their status with dpkg -l |
| 17:44.40 | beardy | DevilChaos: Which boot disk? |
| 17:44.42 | abrotman | steppirotta: most use the 110MB netinst |
| 17:44.49 | DevilChaos | grizzly 3.0 |
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| 17:44.55 | DevilChaos | smoothwall |
| 17:45.00 | steppirotta | but i dont have lan during install |
| 17:45.03 | djp | is it possible to decompress a .tar.bz2 file to another directory using tar? |
| 17:45.11 | beardy | DevilChaos: ? |
| 17:45.14 | abrotman | steppirotta: it installs a base image .. you don't have a 10/100 card? |
| 17:45.19 | DevilChaos | cd |
| 17:45.22 | keyhack | azeem: "pn bootsplash <none> (no description available)", same for bootsplash-theme-newlinux |
| 17:45.39 | steppirotta | abrotman: yes, but i have wireless |
| 17:45.47 | abrotman | steppirotta: what chipset? |
| 17:45.59 | steppirotta | the wireless card? buffalo |
| 17:46.06 | abrotman | is that a chipset? |
| 17:46.12 | steppirotta | dont know? :;D |
| 17:46.13 | beardy | djp: It's harder without tar ;) |
| 17:46.18 | azeem | keyhack: so what exactly happens when you install them again? |
| 17:46.26 | azeem | keyhack: do you get an error, or just no configuration dialog? |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | steppirotta: well .. if you really can't plugin your NIC .. then those two DVDs will give you a full archive of sarge |
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| 17:46.35 | keyhack | azeem: "apt-get --reinstall install bootsplash", right? |
| 17:46.37 | steppirotta | abrotman: ok. thanks |
| 17:46.41 | azeem | yes |
| 17:46.45 | abrotman | steppirotta: but you don't need them both to install |
| 17:47.04 | DevilChaos | i opened the iso and extracted the file then created a cd has boot.cat autorun.inf smoothwall tgz dosutils folder and images etc |
| 17:47.06 | azeem | keyhack: well, the --reinstall isn't necessary when they are purged anyway right now |
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| 17:47.21 | DevilChaos | but cd wont boot |
| 17:47.23 | keyhack | azeem: yes, I do not get the config dialog anymore, and now I get the two errors about the subprocess post-installation script returning error code 10 |
| 17:47.35 | keyhack | azeem: Just like I got after the config dialog the first time, where I guess I picked a faulty option |
| 17:47.41 | azeem | keyhack: are there any other errors above those? |
| 17:47.54 | EmleyMoor | My printouts from firefox are coming out "too large" - I believe this has something to do with xprint, or the resolution which has been set. Can someone please advise me how to fix it? |
| 17:48.02 | keyhack | "bootsplash failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10" |
| 17:48.04 | DevilChaos | beardy:? |
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| 17:48.09 | azeem | keyhack: and above? |
| 17:48.20 | keyhack | azeem: Just a warning about unable to authenticate the packages |
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| 17:48.38 | djp | beardy, i know how to extract into the same directory as where the tar.bz2 file is located, however, i would like to extract it to another directory |
| 17:48.41 | keyhack | azeem: Which I hit Y to install anyways |
| 17:48.41 | azeem | keyhack: then you will have to examine the preinst |
| 17:48.49 | keyhack | azeem: Huh? |
| 17:48.50 | Danar | whenever i get to the login screen, an error pops up saying invalid configuration: there's an invalid command line in the login dialog. how do i fix this? |
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| 17:49.09 | azeem | keyhack: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.preinst |
| 17:49.19 | azeem | see what might possibly go wrong |
| 17:49.30 | keyhack | azeem: There is no .preinst |
| 17:49.39 | azeem | keyhack: and for the other package? |
| 17:50.14 | keyhack | azeem: Same, no .preinst |
| 17:50.32 | beardy | djp: Yes, that was a good question actually, I don't know of any other way than cd to the directory where you want it, and extract the archive when your current working directory is the one where you want it. |
| 17:51.40 | keyhack | azeem: I'm just a few seconds away from re-installing Debian all over again, because this is just redic |
| 17:51.40 | azeem | keyhack: also try dpkg -s bootsplash, and see whether any Conffiles are listed there |
| 17:51.46 | Danar | anyone? |
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| 17:52.05 | djp | beardy, ok. thanks. |
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| 17:52.14 | keyhack | azeem: Two, /etc/default/bootsplash and /etc/init.d/bootsplash, with checksums? listed after the name |
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| 17:53.17 | orchid | djp: I think you need tar -C |
| 17:54.01 | beardy | djp: as in 'cd somedir' 'tar -xvjf /full(or relative)/path/to/foo.tar.bz2' |
| 17:54.03 | Danar | i have an invalid login configuration. how do i fix it? |
| 17:54.17 | DevilChaos | this sucks noone awake in smoothwall irc channel |
| 17:54.30 | abrotman | so? |
| 17:54.36 | azeem | keyhack: maybe try dpkg --unpack <bootsplash>.deb |
| 17:54.50 | azeem | where <bootsplash>.deb is somewhere in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:54.54 | DevilChaos | was that directed at me abrotman or above? |
| 17:54.56 | azeem | keyhack: and then dpkg --configure |
| 17:55.04 | abrotman | !cry on DevilChaos |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | Waaaah! *sniff* It's just not fair, DevilChaos! |
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| 17:55.10 | azeem | keyhack: or just leave bootslash alone |
| 17:55.12 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 17:55.52 | DevilChaos | ive waisted three cdrs trying different files |
| 17:55.55 | kspath | maybe use m0n0wall or IPCop instead? |
| 17:56.20 | abrotman | DevilChaos: what speed did you burn the iso ? |
| 17:56.35 | kspath | did you try 8x dao ? |
| 17:56.37 | DevilChaos | lol maybe not the best idea but 52 times |
| 17:56.49 | abrotman | DevilChaos: defintely a bad idea |
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| 17:56.52 | abrotman | DevilChaos: try 8x |
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| 17:57.13 | DevilChaos | with the exact files straight from iso image? |
| 17:57.31 | Danar | whenever i get to the login screen, an error pops up saying invalid configuration: there's an invalid command line in the login dialog. how do i fix this? |
| 17:57.39 | DevilChaos | ill try it anyway ty |
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| 17:58.10 | azeem | Danar: which login screen? |
| 17:58.14 | beardy | DevilChaos: You do know what an iso image is? You don't burn the files that is on/in it, you burn the image. |
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| 17:58.19 | Danar | gdm |
| 17:58.41 | azeem | Danar: did you edit /etc/gdm.conf? |
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| 17:58.54 | Danar | azeem, nope. but i just upgraded a bunch of stuff |
| 17:59.05 | DevilChaos | aw just the iso file to disk? i know its a silly question but hey im alittle thick sometimes |
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| 17:59.37 | dvs | DevilChaos: Your cd burner program should have an option saying "burn image to disk" |
| 17:59.44 | DevilChaos | yes |
| 17:59.51 | dvs | DevilChaos: use that |
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| 18:02.08 | steppirotta | does anyone know about wireless possibilities |
| 18:02.22 | cowbell | wat |
| 18:02.22 | beardy | steppirotta: Be more specific. |
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| 18:02.28 | DevilChaos | ok rebooting try this see what happens |
| 18:02.29 | keyhack | lol |
| 18:02.33 | djp | orchid, could u give me an example? |
| 18:02.46 | steppirotta | beardy: I want buffalo wli2-g54s-PCI card to work |
| 18:03.11 | cowbell | this is still far from precise |
| 18:03.13 | AeroSpace | steppirotta: I've used the old Lucent wavelans before with Linux successfully as long as I don't use 128bit encryption with the 64bit cards. |
| 18:03.15 | cowbell | what's your problem |
| 18:03.16 | beardy | !tell steppirotta -about ask |
| 18:03.36 | orchid | djp: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_chapter/tar_6.html loo at 6.7 6.8 |
| 18:03.55 | Danar | i haven't been able to upgrade kde for quite a while because it always wants to remove k3b. what gives? |
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| 18:04.01 | Fluten | i used the nvidia one-liner, used my system for a few days, and rebooted, and now my nvidia module wont work anymore |
| 18:04.16 | Fluten | this has happened for me on other machines that use the nvidia cards too |
| 18:04.23 | abrotman | Danar: you're using testing |
| 18:04.32 | Danar | abrotman, yes... |
| 18:04.44 | djp | cheers orchid |
| 18:04.44 | abrotman | Danar: C++ abi transition |
| 18:04.45 | Fluten | usually i have to recompile my kernel, and do the one-liner again, and it works again. what would cause it to randomly stop working like this? |
| 18:04.49 | Jazbo | exit |
| 18:04.53 | chealer_ | Fluten: you're lucky if the nvidia one-liner helps you. check the nvidia-graphics-driver guide instead |
| 18:04.58 | chealer_ | !tell Fluten about ngd |
| 18:05.14 | steppirotta | AeroSpace: you mean lucent wawelan drivers? |
| 18:05.21 | Danar | abrotman, i've been waiting forever for k3b... i would have thought it would be done by now :/ |
| 18:05.46 | chealer_ | Fluten: "wont work" doesn't work to get help on IRC |
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| 18:06.43 | orchid | djp: basicaly tar -jxvf somefile.bz2 -C ~/somewhere/else |
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| 18:06.57 | js_ | how can i make sure i got all the modules i need in my initrd? |
| 18:07.05 | js_ | i mean, if i just use the defaults, will that suffice? |
| 18:07.10 | Danar | whenever i get to the login screen, an error pops up saying invalid configuration: there's an invalid command line in the login dialog. how do i fix this? |
| 18:07.29 | AeroSpace | steppirotta: No the 2.6 built in kernel driver, but they won't help you, I was using the old pcmcia cards, I didn't hear what hardware you had before I responded on what worked for me. |
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| 18:08.29 | steppirotta | AeroSpace: ok |
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| 18:10.25 | beardy | orchid: Have you gotten that to work? |
| 18:10.40 | Danar | can anyone help me with this login error? it says to fix my configuration, but i don't know how |
| 18:11.04 | orchid | beardy: yes |
| 18:11.32 | Danar | it says there's an invalid command line in the login dialog |
| 18:11.38 | gozz | how can i set the default volume at startup? i tried cam but that didnt work. |
| 18:11.49 | Danar | at the gdm login screen |
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| 18:13.11 | beardy | orchid: Ah, yes, it works, I made a mistake when trying. |
| 18:13.12 | abrotman | Danar: kde in etch is a mess |
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| 18:13.22 | Roey | hi |
| 18:13.51 | Danar | abrotman, using gnome right now. i'm having a problem at the gdm login screen |
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| 18:14.12 | abrotman | that's not descriptive |
| 18:14.20 | KerPlunk | !tell Danar about ask |
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| 18:14.35 | Danar | i've already been descriptive. repeatedly |
| 18:14.45 | Roey | I'm having difficulty getting XSane to recognize my scanner (epson perfection 1240/u). In /etc/sane.d/epson.conf, I have the following lines: usb 0x04b8 0x010b |
| 18:14.45 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:14.51 | chealer_ | abrotman: why would KDE be a mess in Etch? |
| 18:15.05 | Danar | KerPlunk, i never asked to ask. i did ask :p |
| 18:15.18 | beardy | Danar: Read all of it. |
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| 18:15.38 | abrotman | chealer_: C++ ABI .. same reason it's been a wreck for two months? |
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| 18:16.05 | chealer_ | abrotman: it has not been a wreck for two months |
| 18:16.07 | Roey | hi? |
| 18:16.12 | Danar | beardy, as i said, i'm running testing, i upgraded a bunch of stuff, and when i get to the gdm login screen and alert pops up saying there's an invalid command line in the login dialog |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | chealer_: can you install k3b? |
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| 18:16.26 | chealer_ | abrotman: yeah, from sid |
| 18:16.26 | Danar | *an alert |
| 18:16.31 | linoleum | hi, I got a problem to lauch the rescue mode with the official sarge net intall cdrom : when I try boot: rescue root=/dev/hda2 , it tells me that it can't fing the root image .... what should I do? |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | chealer_: so as i fucking said .. kde in etch is a fucking wreck |
| 18:16.42 | cahoot | Roey: what if you comment out all but 'usb' ? |
| 18:16.58 | chealer_ | abrotman: no. k3b isn't even part of official KDE |
| 18:17.05 | beardy | Danar: Is that what it says exactly? |
| 18:17.12 | abrotman | fucking ass .. the metapackage 'kde' in etch cannot be installed .. stop being an ass |
| 18:17.19 | chealer_ | abrotman: sure it can |
| 18:17.21 | Danar | beardy, almost exactly. that's as close as i can remember it |
| 18:17.34 | abrotman | chealer_: you're being obtuse .. intentionally .. stop being a tard |
| 18:17.43 | beardy | Danar: Well :) Try again and write it down exactly as it says. |
| 18:17.50 | KerPlunk | !mhallsmite chealer_ |
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| 18:18.04 | azeem | KerPlunk: please stop abusing the bot |
| 18:18.06 | Danar | beardy, the title sais invalid configuration, and it says "there's an invalid command line in the login dialog. running the default command. please fix your configuration" |
| 18:18.10 | chealer_ | abrotman: I think you're the worst between us, but I guess calling you names is useless. |
| 18:18.13 | Roey | cahoot: then there will be nothbing in that file |
| 18:18.17 | Roey | cahoot: lemme try. |
| 18:18.19 | chealer_ | abrotman: for this discussion, of course |
| 18:18.20 | abrotman | chealer_: apt-get install kde in etch does not work |
| 18:18.26 | chealer_ | abrotman: it does |
| 18:18.37 | cahoot | Roey: huh - leave 'usb' uncommented |
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| 18:18.54 | abrotman | oh . .they FINALLY fixed it .. but still can't install k3b |
| 18:19.03 | blondie | who'd want to install KDE anyway! |
| 18:19.10 | Roey | cahoot: I tried. I keep getting this error in GIMP: "failed to open device 'epson:libusb:002:004': invalid argument" |
| 18:19.23 | cahoot | blondie: linus torvalds maybe |
| 18:19.26 | abrotman | blondie: people who are morons? |
| 18:19.33 | beardy | Danar: Have you edited gdm's configuration files? |
| 18:19.34 | blondie | cahoot: that's very nice for him |
| 18:19.36 | abrotman | see .. like i said |
| 18:19.43 | Danar | beardy, no. just upgraded stuff |
| 18:19.55 | beardy | Danar: Are you running unstable? |
| 18:19.59 | Danar | beardy, testing |
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| 18:20.00 | azeem | KDE has its place in the Free Software world |
| 18:20.08 | abrotman | garbage can? |
| 18:20.12 | blondie | yes, the bin |
| 18:20.18 | Roey | specifically |
| 18:20.22 | Roey | /usr/bin |
| 18:20.26 | blondie | no! |
| 18:20.28 | Roey | heh |
| 18:20.28 | chealer_ | hehe |
| 18:20.29 | blondie | /dev/null |
| 18:20.32 | lightdifference | hey guys, I've installed debian on my Inspiron 1150, and I configured the X Server incorrectly. Can anyone lead me to a tutorial on how to configure it? |
| 18:20.36 | beardy | Danar: Things can get broken there too. Have you checked the bts about gdm? |
| 18:20.46 | abrotman | !drxx lightdifference |
| 18:20.46 | dpkg | lightdifference: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 18:20.54 | Golfgeo | Hi all - Setting up a new Etch machine and was wondering about the apt .deb sites. Apt uses "testing Release.gpg" and on one ftp in France it couldn't be verified... Is this a problem? |
| 18:20.54 | Roey | cahoot: so it still don't work |
| 18:21.06 | abrotman | Golfgeo: /topic |
| 18:21.18 | js_ | is it possible to build a 64-bit kernel usingthe amd64-libs, lib64gcc1 and gcc-3.4? |
| 18:21.18 | Danar | beardy, i check the bts for anything that comes up in list-bugs when upgrading, but that's it.. there were none for gdm |
| 18:21.18 | js_ | if i got a 32bit userland otherwise |
| 18:21.18 | cahoot | Roey: sorry - plain usb suffices for my epson 2450 |
| 18:21.22 | js_ | im running a debian amd64 kernel already |
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| 18:21.31 | Golfgeo | thnaks abrotman |
| 18:21.35 | Golfgeo | *thanks |
| 18:21.43 | Roey | cahoot: ok. |
| 18:21.53 | Roey | cahoot: btw... how long does it take your scanner to scan at 600DPI, 48-bit color? |
| 18:22.06 | Roey | cahoot: it takes this epson1240/u (with usb 1.1 interface) about a minute. |
| 18:22.15 | beardy | Danar: Well, you might want to find out what and where gdm's config file are, and look at them, and fix them if you spot the thing that seems to be wrong. |
| 18:22.19 | cahoot | Roey: seems par for the course |
| 18:22.43 | Danar | beardy, i don't know enough to spot what's wrong. i looked at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and it's long... |
| 18:22.49 | Golfgeo | :-) So first I have to upgrade apt to get apt verify :-) |
| 18:22.53 | cahoot | Roey: the file gets pretty big - no? |
| 18:22.56 | dr_doom | Danar, desktop preferences\advanced\sessions ? |
| 18:23.06 | Danar | dr_doom, ? |
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| 18:23.29 | beardy | Danar: And perhaps file a bug, if you are sure you haven't done something that may have caused it. |
| 18:23.31 | Danar | dr_doom, i don't have advanced under prefs |
| 18:23.31 | Roey | cahoot: well yes. Hundreds of megabytes. But still! ;) |
| 18:24.04 | dr_doom | install capplets? |
| 18:24.16 | cahoot | Roey: transferring that over usb 1 takes time I guess |
| 18:24.22 | Roey | cahoot: also, is there a way to automatically split up a scan into separate pictures (scanning in batch) ? |
| 18:24.27 | Roey | cahoot: esepcially usb 1.1 |
| 18:24.28 | beardy | Don't irc as root, is it really THAT DAMN HARD NOT TO? |
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| 18:24.40 | Roey | cahoot: I was wondering if that it was the scanning head that was slow or more that the link was slow. |
| 18:24.43 | lightdifference | so this is confusing me, which drivers do I use for an inspiron with an intel chipset? |
| 18:25.02 | dr_doom | Danar, apt-cache show capplets |
| 18:25.02 | CoffeeIV | how can I get rid of the "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" stuff I am seeing from apt-get ? |
| 18:25.18 | beardy | CoffeeIV: /topic ? |
| 18:25.23 | linoleum | hi, how can I creat a grub boot floppy under debian ?? because all I try wasn't work at all |
| 18:25.39 | linoleum | I always gat error 15 image not found |
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| 18:25.44 | cahoot | Roey: the latter I've not tried - so no experience |
| 18:25.44 | Danar | dr_doom, Package capplets is a virtual package provided by: |
| 18:25.45 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.47 | Danar | which i have |
| 18:26.38 | cahoot | Roey: I guess 48bit scanning is pointless |
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| 18:27.19 | blondie | CHNSADLKW"!!! |
| 18:27.19 | Danar | dr_doom, also, isn't that a gnome session thing? i get the error before i log in |
| 18:27.32 | ctrlER | pipeline, it's " instead of ( (in the tinyurl explanation of tar with scp) |
| 18:27.39 | Roey | cahoot: is it? |
| 18:27.41 | CoffeeIV | beardy: thanks |
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| 18:27.53 | Roey | cahoot: I mean, GIMP doesn't support 48-bit color anwyay. |
| 18:27.55 | pipeline | ctrlER: so what? :P |
| 18:28.00 | beardy | CoffeeIV: np |
| 18:28.02 | pipeline | Roey: The gimp doesn't support lots of things :| |
| 18:28.10 | Roey | pipeline: heh |
| 18:28.13 | pipeline | cahoot: 48 bit scanning is hardly pointless if you want reasonable color resolution. |
| 18:28.18 | ctrlER | pipeline, nothing, thanks :) |
| 18:28.25 | pipeline | Roey, cahoot : For high-quality color, there's always cinepaint. |
| 18:28.25 | dr_doom | Danar, oh, I thought you were having a gnome session issue |
| 18:28.28 | Roey | pipeline: I just don't want to ever have to rescan these pictures ;) |
| 18:28.31 | Roey | pipeline: ture. |
| 18:28.32 | Roey | true. |
| 18:28.39 | Danar | dr_doom, no, it's before i log in |
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| 18:28.42 | Roey | pipeline: cinepaint (film gimp) supports 48-bit color. |
| 18:28.59 | pipeline | Roey: Oh, they're just home photos? Then who gives a shit. You still want a scanner with as high a color resolution as possible, in order to make for better dithering, but shit, it doesn't really matter how you save them. |
| 18:29.05 | Danar | dr_doom, the gdm login screen comes up when x starts, and the error pops up |
| 18:29.10 | abrotman | kde sucks .. i did an apt-get install kde .. and i got mandriva! .. ick! |
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| 18:29.52 | Danar | i have no idea how to get rid of it |
| 18:30.10 | beardy | Danar: The easy way is to use kdm or xdm instead. |
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| 18:30.27 | Danar | beardy, i prefer gdm |
| 18:30.40 | azeem | Danar: you could try purge/reinstall it perhaps |
| 18:30.40 | beardy | Danar: Or reinstall gdm perhaps. Worth a try. |
| 18:30.46 | Danar | hm |
| 18:31.11 | chealer_ | I just tried installing KDE in Etch and got gnome instead! people, use sid! |
| 18:31.19 | Dude2 | Heya... have an question :P ... I need to change the ethernet to 100mbps Full Duplex... but i only have ssh to the box... it's Debian Sarge... |
| 18:31.31 | beardy | chealer_: Stop trolling. |
| 18:31.43 | chealer_ | beardy: hehe |
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| 18:31.56 | cahoot | Roey: I quote: It is a matter of faith among some folks that 16bpc is better, despite the fact that no one can see any difference in final, real-life images |
| 18:31.57 | Roey | pipeline: what do you mean how I would save them |
| 18:32.04 | pipeline | Roey: never mind. |
| 18:32.54 | Roey | cahoot: the settings in XSane only seem to go up to 14-bit color (which I don't nkow if that means 14 bits per color plane, or 14 bits for the entire colorspace, and why 14 and not 16--it depends on my scanner?) |
| 18:32.57 | beardy | Dude2: What is it running now? And how are you going to change that you mean? You can't replace a card over ssh :) |
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| 18:33.51 | abrotman | chealer_: because obviously the DDs know better :) |
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| 18:34.03 | Danar | i reinstalled gdm but it didn't work |
| 18:34.08 | Dude2 | beardy: well it is set as 100mbps half duplex now... and i told them i wanted full duplex... he said just change it when i caled the server support |
| 18:34.09 | fantomas | Hi. Is there an tool which can list properties of a DVD with movie? I need to get zone settings |
| 18:34.17 | syl-2 | mutt seems very nice. just one problem: how can i tell mutt which pop/smtp server to connect to ? |
| 18:34.19 | dscener | How can I check what device is currently using the soundcard? |
| 18:34.24 | my_true_hero | when I try to install x-window-system, it fails to detect my video hardware. do I need to install the drivers manually before I install x-window-system? and if so, how can I locate and install them? (I have a GEFORCE FX5500 card) |
| 18:34.27 | pipeline | dscener: lsof |
| 18:35.02 | chealer_ | abrotman: haha :) |
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| 18:35.22 | Danar | the title of the error says "Configuration not correct". the error says "The configuration file is not correct. There is an invalid command line for the login dialog, so running the default command. Please fix your configuration." |
| 18:35.23 | thnee | is NTFS write support fixed yet or what? |
| 18:35.24 | beardy | Dude2: Didn't he say how to change it, you have to use some program that can change that, or give the module (if it's a module) some parameters.. What card is it? |
| 18:35.34 | beardy | Dude2: Did you pay for that support? |
| 18:35.35 | pipeline | thnee: It's unlikely that it'll ever be fixed. The read support is pretty good these days, though. |
| 18:35.36 | chealer_ | hey, installing gnome in sid is giving me gnustep! cool! |
| 18:35.43 | quitte | dpkg tell my_true_hero about nvidia installer |
| 18:35.46 | pipeline | chealer_: :wtf: alert |
| 18:35.55 | thnee | pipeline: i know, but i want to write too =( |
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| 18:36.15 | chealer_ | pipeline: don't worry :) |
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| 18:36.22 | Dude2 | beardy: no he just said change in the console... i don't know what card it is... tell me what command and i can paste... no it's free support... but only 3 hours a day |
| 18:36.33 | quitte | bah. what was that dpkg factoid that tells how to use m-a for nvidia drivers? |
| 18:36.36 | pipeline | thnee: The best way to do that is to install windows in VMware, then export the NTFS partition over the network. |
| 18:36.36 | abrotman | pipeline: he's canadian |
| 18:36.43 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't follow. |
| 18:36.48 | abrotman | pipeline: chealer_ |
| 18:36.54 | pipeline | abrotman: So? |
| 18:36.56 | beardy | Dude2: If you don't know what card it is, how can anyone know how you should fiddle with it? |
| 18:36.56 | torpid | dpkg tello torpid about the nvidia installer |
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| 18:37.05 | torpid | dpkg tello torpid about that nvidia installer |
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| 18:37.07 | abrotman | pipeline: humor |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | !Knoppix |
| 18:37.10 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 18:37.11 | Dude2 | beardy: was hoping there was some command like eth0_set or something ;) |
| 18:37.11 | chealer_ | !tell torpid about nvidia-installer |
| 18:37.12 | thnee | pipeline: well rather useless to run linux only to have to run windows all the time..? |
| 18:37.14 | beardy | Dude2: 'lspci -v' find out what card it is |
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| 18:37.17 | Danar | beardy, i reinstalled gdm, but it didn't work. the title of the error says "Configuration not correct". the error says "The configuration file is not correct. There is an invalid command line for the login dialog, so running the default command. Please fix your configuration." |
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| 18:37.22 | my_true_hero | roger quitte. thank you. sorry, I'm too new at this to be much good at helping myself. I'll talk to dpkg about it, though ;) |
| 18:37.35 | pipeline | thnee: *shrug* |
| 18:37.44 | toxicosmos | Hi, linux chicks |
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| 18:37.46 | beardy | Danar: And you purged it first, then installed it again? |
| 18:37.48 | Roey | Oy, ikh hob nisht keyner mazal. GRRRRR this scanner. |
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| 18:37.54 | foo | I am doing this: sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common and I keep getting: sharpmusique: Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:37.57 | foo | How can I fix that? |
| 18:38.00 | Danar | beardy, er, crap :/ i think not |
| 18:38.08 | Danar | beardy, bah. i'll try again |
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| 18:38.16 | beardy | Danar: Do that. Otherwise the config files are kept. |
| 18:38.21 | Danar | yeh |
| 18:38.21 | azeem | foo: apt-get remove sharpmusique maybe |
| 18:38.21 | Dude2 | beardy: can i paste in pm or in some channel or so? kinda much info to paste here ;) |
| 18:38.37 | beardy | !tell Dude2 about paste |
| 18:38.42 | beardy | Dude2: Use a pastebin. |
| 18:39.02 | quitte | my_true_hero: ask him about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:39.04 | thnee | "A fuse module: You can now mount your NTFS volume with FUSE. This means more features (YES, WRITE SUPPORT IS HERE) on the expense of speed and stability. I use it on my own (backuped) data, but it is still experimental so beware" |
| 18:39.05 | torpid | Hmm.. why isn't aptitude showing me the 2.6 kernels? |
| 18:39.26 | beardy | torpid: How are you trying to look at them? |
| 18:39.34 | torpid | in virtual packages |
| 18:39.35 | beardy | torpid: They are there. |
| 18:39.37 | KerPlunk | If windows overwrites my mbr...and I can't boot my linux partition but the partition is fine...what is the best way to get grub back and fix everything? |
| 18:39.42 | KerPlunk | I have a knoppix cd if that helps. |
| 18:39.49 | torpid | I am only seeing 2.5* |
| 18:39.53 | torpid | er, 2.4 |
| 18:39.54 | pipeline | KerPlunk: Boot the knoppix cd and run grub-install. |
| 18:40.00 | KerPlunk | thanks pipeline |
| 18:40.00 | azeem | torpid: they are now called linux-image-, maybe you look at the wrong ones |
| 18:40.15 | beardy | torpid: If you are not running stable, it's linux-image, as said. |
| 18:40.21 | torpid | Oh, I see |
| 18:40.22 | torpid | thanks |
| 18:40.23 | Dude2 | beardy: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1614 |
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| 18:40.51 | runa | hey :) is it possible to compile just the CGI part in PHP using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 18:41.59 | runa | ie, just build-cgi-stamp not all apache-stamp, etc? |
| 18:42.07 | Dude2 | beardy: if it's not possible i might wait until tomorrow and tell the suporter to fix it ;) |
| 18:42.13 | Danar | beardy, well, that did it. i lost my config, but that's ok. gnome seems to load faster now too :) |
| 18:42.26 | azeem | runa: you will have to hack debian/rules for that probably |
| 18:42.33 | runa | azeem: ok, danke |
| 18:42.36 | azeem | and remove some dependencies from binary-arch or build-stamp |
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| 18:43.20 | fantomas | Is there a way to know REGION of a DVD? |
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| 18:44.02 | traveler3d | any of you guys have warez forum links |
| 18:44.10 | goron | Firefox does not print webpages. I will type over the error. (since some people thaught it was useless to be a selectable...) |
| 18:44.16 | abrotman | traveler3d: wrong channel |
| 18:44.17 | blondie | traveler3d: no |
| 18:44.28 | traveler3d | come on |
| 18:44.33 | abrotman | traveler3d: GET OUT |
| 18:44.35 | traveler3d | you must know one |
| 18:44.48 | azeem | traveler3d: this channel is about Debian |
| 18:44.54 | traveler3d | any girls wanna video msn |
| 18:44.57 | goron | "There was a problem printing because the paper size you specified is not supported by your printer". |
| 18:44.59 | azeem | traveler3d: this channel is about Debian |
| 18:45.02 | Danar | lol |
| 18:45.12 | abrotman | traveler3d: please leave #debian |
| 18:45.22 | traveler3d | and so you cant talk about of shit in here |
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| 18:45.27 | abrotman | just go |
| 18:45.34 | azeem | traveler3d: this is a support channel |
| 18:45.47 | beardy | Dude2: Ok. I don't know how to do what you want. Why didn't the supportperson tell you exactly how to do? Perhaps you could google using your cards name and "full duplex" or something.. |
| 18:45.49 | azeem | traveler3d: either you help us support people, or otherwise please be quiet |
| 18:45.53 | azeem | and stay on topic |
| 18:45.56 | traveler3d | get that carro tout of your ass buddy |
| 18:45.59 | goron | Yes, help me :) |
| 18:46.02 | kspath | !smite traveler3d |
| 18:46.23 | traveler3d | omw noobs |
| 18:46.29 | chealer_ | goron: which release? |
| 18:46.32 | abrotman | traveler3d: please leave this channel |
| 18:46.34 | beardy | traveler3d: Behave or leave. |
| 18:46.36 | blondie | traveler3d: yes you are |
| 18:46.50 | goron | chealer_: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051217 Debian/1.5.dfsg-2 Firefox/1.5 |
| 18:46.57 | goron | chealer_: that one. |
| 18:47.12 | chealer_ | goron: sid? bugs.debian.org |
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| 18:47.28 | traveler3d | shit i wouldnt mined seeing a linux chicks tits |
| 18:47.28 | goron | chealer_: I don't think reporting a bug helps... |
| 18:47.36 | traveler3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.36 | abrotman | azeem: please ... |
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| 18:47.40 | goron | chealer_: Since I never ever had a response on any of my bugs. |
| 18:47.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=traveler@*.telkomadsl.co.za] by azeem |
| 18:47.53 | quitte | !ops traveler3d asks for warez and is an idiot |
| 18:47.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: traveler3d asks for warez and is an idiot |
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| 18:47.56 | chealer_ | goron: I didn't say you should report a bug. I said bugs.debian.org was sid's help channel |
| 18:47.56 | ph8 | Hey all, i'm trying to install the gr-security patch on my debian build - i've grabbed the packages (kernel-patch and gradm2) and then rebooted but the kernel isn't 2.4.x-grsec - it's just 2.4 - that means it hasn't worked right? what have i done wrong? |
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| 18:48.06 | ph8 | * grabbed and installed the package |
| 18:48.06 | azeem | traveler3d: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to off-topicness |
| 18:48.11 | abrotman | he left |
| 18:48.14 | azeem | or that |
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| 18:48.39 | abrotman | everyone knows you get warez lists in #freenode :) |
| 18:48.44 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 18:49.02 | goron | abrotman: no, they are against the policy ;) |
| 18:49.24 | SirFunk | hey, i need help with a debian box pretty bad... I have one box, that i need to clone to another box, i dumped the hdd with dump, and restored it tot he other drive, then used knoppix to grub-install the 2nd drive, now the kernel boots and everything. However, when it starts loading it dies on iinit with "dev/console not found" |
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| 18:50.17 | DuCkNeT | anyone can help me ???? |
| 18:50.28 | DuCkNeT | can connect to ssh or http server with isp adress ????? |
| 18:50.34 | DuCkNeT | can = can`t |
| 18:50.34 | keyhack | Why is it that I installed bootsplash, had it create a bootsplash.initrd, I add an entry to grub to boot to the same kernel, but use my bootsplash.initrd, and during bootup to that entry, I get a kernel panic about VFS and not recognizing the drive? |
| 18:50.43 | azeem | DuCkNeT: what command are you using? |
| 18:50.57 | DuCkNeT | ??? |
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| 18:51.18 | azeem | keyhack: the initrd seems to lack drivers for your root file system it seems |
| 18:51.19 | DuCkNeT | well i use internet eexplorer to connec to my linux server and it doesn`t allow me to |
| 18:51.33 | DuCkNeT | and with ssh it time out |
| 18:51.36 | DuCkNeT | i can ping the box |
| 18:51.39 | azeem | DuCkNeT: which web server are you running? |
| 18:51.42 | DuCkNeT | but cannot access it from outside |
| 18:51.46 | DuCkNeT | apache2 |
| 18:51.57 | azeem | check its access.log |
| 18:51.57 | DuCkNeT | but localy (on same network) i don`t have any problem |
| 18:52.15 | DuCkNeT | but as soon i use it from outside it doesn`t work |
| 18:52.19 | goron | DuCkNeT: You know???? You can ??? Also??? Use??? ONE ? |
| 18:52.21 | azeem | DuCkNeT: what URL do you type in Internet Explorer? |
| 18:52.37 | DuCkNeT | well i treid the isp ip and my dyndns.org hostname also |
| 18:52.52 | blondie | quack |
| 18:52.53 | my_true_hero | what's the command to re-reun the x-window-system configuration? |
| 18:52.59 | my_true_hero | re-run* |
| 18:53.02 | azeem | DuCkNeT: is your Linux box behind a router? |
| 18:53.08 | DuCkNeT | yeah dmz is enabled |
| 18:53.16 | azeem | my_true_hero: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x{free,org} |
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| 18:53.26 | azeem | my_true_hero: depends on whether you have xfree or xorg |
| 18:54.16 | my_true_hero | it said that neither xfree nor xorg were installed |
| 18:54.18 | beardy | !drxx my_true_hero |
| 18:54.19 | dpkg | my_true_hero: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:54.38 | my_true_hero | ah. xserver-xfree86. got it :) |
| 18:55.18 | DuCkNeT | azeem yes its behing a router |
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| 18:55.59 | goron | chealer_: Do you know of any other browser that supports "print selection"? |
| 18:56.01 | azeem | DuCkNeT: are you sure you are pinging the box and not the router? |
| 18:56.07 | DuCkNeT | i had fedora before and used to work |
| 18:56.08 | jon855 | Ubuntu's debian based so does that means packages for debian will work in Ubuntu? I'm new to this nix eniv so help would be thanked |
| 18:56.19 | azeem | jon855: no, do not do that |
| 18:56.21 | DuCkNeT | well the router foward the packet to the linux box |
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| 18:56.23 | chealer_ | goron: what do you mean exactly? |
| 18:56.25 | azeem | jon855: Ubuntu has its own set of packages |
| 18:56.29 | DuCkNeT | thats what the dmz is doing |
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| 18:56.46 | DuCkNeT | when i change the dmz to a windows box |
| 18:56.48 | DuCkNeT | it works |
| 18:56.48 | jon855 | azeem, Oh okay so I'll have to compile the VLC player for Ubuntu then? |
| 18:56.52 | goron | chealer_: You are not familiar with the concept of "Print Selection"? |
| 18:56.57 | chealer_ | jon855: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:56.59 | DuCkNeT | i use like netmeeting or something and i don`t have any trouble |
| 18:57.01 | azeem | jon855: probably, if it isn't available |
| 18:57.13 | jon855 | okay, thanks. |
| 18:57.18 | chealer_ | goron: I don't know. I could say if you'd explain what it means |
| 18:57.26 | keyhack | Does bootsplash build the theme images into the initrd file in the /boot, or does it expect to be able to mount and read images off my / partition? |
| 18:57.39 | azeem | DuCkNeT: use tcpdump on your Linux box to see whether TCP/IP packets are really on the network |
| 18:57.56 | goron | chealer_: Ok, select some part of a webpage. Then go to the printing dialog. Then select the radiobutton with "selection" next to it. Press Print. |
| 18:58.11 | azeem | keyhack: I guess not many people use bootplash, you might have to find out yourself |
| 18:58.13 | DuCkNeT | how do i use that |
| 18:58.18 | goron | chealer_: Result is that only a subset of the webpage is printed. |
| 18:58.23 | azeem | keyhack: or maybe you are lucky and somebody in here knows |
| 18:58.29 | azeem | DuCkNeT: see its documentation |
| 18:58.34 | goron | chealer_: since sometimes you don't want to print the entire webpage. |
| 18:58.36 | chealer_ | goron: I don't know of any browser that supports that, no |
| 18:58.42 | _Sam-- | you cant use bootsplash unless you compile a new kernel |
| 18:58.44 | Golfgeo | There doesn't seem to be a AMD k-6 kernel image, is there going to be one? |
| 18:58.48 | kspath | azeem: you do not cut the cables and watch the 1's and 0's pouring out? |
| 18:58.49 | _Sam-- | but i beleive real bootsplash will run from initrd |
| 18:58.52 | goron | chealer_: Firefox does, but well... that's broken... |
| 18:58.54 | _Sam-- | there is also 'splashy' |
| 18:59.01 | _Sam-- | which i use, that runs after / is mounted |
| 18:59.02 | goron | chealer_: maybe mozilla works. |
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| 18:59.20 | keyhack | if I want to recompile the kernel myself, what package should I get? |
| 18:59.26 | chealer_ | goron: probably. maybe I should test it, it looks like a useful feature |
| 18:59.35 | chealer_ | !tell keyhack about kp |
| 18:59.38 | _Sam-- | apt-cache search bootsplash |
| 18:59.43 | _Sam-- | there is a kernel patch i beleieve |
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| 18:59.47 | SirFunk | hey.... when i try to boot my debian box it says /dev/console doesn't exist (but it does) |
| 18:59.50 | SirFunk | what can i do to fix it? |
| 18:59.57 | SirFunk | is there any way to re-build /dev? |
| 19:00.02 | SirFunk | i can boot with a knoppix cd or whatever |
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| 19:00.34 | goron | When does software come in Stable? If it's bug-free in BTS? |
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| 19:00.50 | azeem | goron: when stable is released |
| 19:00.51 | chealer_ | goron: when testing becomes stable |
| 19:00.52 | _Sam-- | there is usually a way to chroot and makedev, i forget the command for makdev |
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| 19:01.00 | blondie | goron: well there won't be any new stable software for a while |
| 19:01.07 | blondie | until 3.2 or 4 |
| 19:01.23 | _Sam-- | i think its just makedev |
| 19:01.27 | rend | has anyone had trouble with firefox and flash. where playing back videos the sound plays back people sounding like chipmunks? |
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| 19:01.38 | blondie | _Sam--: mknod? |
| 19:01.39 | goron | azeem: And when is Stable released? (I don't mean a date) |
| 19:01.47 | zenwryly | how do I boot into single-user with GRUB? |
| 19:01.52 | SirFunk | it's /dev/MAKEDEV |
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| 19:01.56 | blondie | goron: every several years |
| 19:01.57 | azeem | goron: probably the end of 2005 |
| 19:02.00 | SirFunk | but i made console, it still says it doesn't exist |
| 19:02.01 | azeem | eh, 2006 |
| 19:02.14 | blondie | 2007 you mean :) |
| 19:02.17 | azeem | goron: when testing is deemed stable enough to call it 'stable', basically |
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| 19:02.18 | _Sam-- | are you sure your boot command is pointing to the right / root |
| 19:02.22 | Hor | hi all |
| 19:02.25 | azeem | !trollsmite blondie |
| 19:02.28 | azeem | hrm |
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| 19:02.37 | kspath | hehehe |
| 19:02.43 | Hor | how i can change my bash to tcsh (already instaled) |
| 19:02.53 | blondie | usermod -s |
| 19:02.54 | bbrazil | Hor: chsh |
| 19:02.57 | blondie | h, |
| 19:03.00 | blondie | hm |
| 19:03.07 | goron | azeem: And who decides something is "stable enough"? |
| 19:03.16 | azeem | goron: the release team |
| 19:03.25 | kspath | blondie: 2007 is a little optimistic, is it not? |
| 19:03.31 | goron | azeem: and the release team bases it's opinion on? |
| 19:03.32 | bbrazil | kspath: base 11 |
| 19:03.37 | blondie | kspath: better than 2006 :\ |
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| 19:03.44 | jon855 | goron: their experiences |
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| 19:03.56 | azeem | goron: and its knowledge of the state of testing |
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| 19:04.23 | DuCkNeT | thanks azeem fixed my prob |
| 19:04.24 | goron | azeem: It would seem like a nice feature that only software with zero outstanding bugs would go to stable, imo. |
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| 19:04.29 | Cillian_ | would my internet connection dropping out cause the installer to hang on "Retrieving libtextwrap1..."? |
| 19:04.33 | kspath | bportugal? |
| 19:04.40 | blondie | goron: how do you know you won't find more? |
| 19:04.48 | chealer_ | Golfgeo: which kernel? |
| 19:04.50 | XTF | goron: That'd result in only Hello World being available. |
| 19:04.55 | azeem | goron: you cannot fix all bugs |
| 19:05.04 | azeem | goron: there are, however, release critical bugs |
| 19:05.11 | azeem | which are all fixed before the release can happen |
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| 19:05.53 | goron | What part of "outstanding" bugs did you miss? |
| 19:06.22 | goron | azeem: I don't agree. You can create zero bug software. |
| 19:06.30 | azeem | goron: sure |
| 19:06.33 | goron | azeem: And in the end, I think it costs less. |
| 19:06.36 | azeem | goron: it wouldn't be very usable rather |
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| 19:07.04 | azeem | cause you'd spend your whole time with making sure no bugs exist, instead of making it more usable or implementing features |
| 19:07.11 | azeem | goron: anyway, this is off-topic in hre |
| 19:07.13 | azeem | here |
| 19:07.26 | kspath | goron: pure theory and reality mix strangely at times. |
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| 19:07.39 | goron | kspath: I know. |
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| 19:08.14 | goron | Somebody proved for a subset of C that his compiler preserved semantics. |
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| 19:09.50 | Golfgeo | There is a AMD K6 kernel-image, but it is in the 2.4 series, not the 2.6... Argh |
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| 19:10.05 | DuCkNeT | azeem |
| 19:10.14 | azeem | ? |
| 19:10.16 | DuCkNeT | it doesn`t allow me to connect to ssh... |
| 19:10.19 | DuCkNeT | http works fine |
| 19:10.32 | azeem | DuCkNeT: what client do you use for SSH? |
| 19:10.34 | azeem | putty? |
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| 19:10.53 | azeem | DuCkNeT: also, please ask the whole channel |
| 19:11.00 | madradrone | anyone know of a way to make long distance calls via a computer running debian? |
| 19:11.04 | DuCkNeT | putty |
| 19:11.12 | DuCkNeT | sorry |
| 19:11.18 | Golfgeo | :-) |
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| 19:11.35 | azeem | DuCkNeT: can you "ssh localhost" on your Linux box? |
| 19:11.45 | blondie | madradrone: skype? |
| 19:11.45 | pawel | madradrone: skype. :> |
| 19:11.49 | benny | hi |
| 19:11.53 | loxley | madradrone: buy a phone instead |
| 19:12.04 | DuCkNeT | yes localy no problem |
| 19:12.24 | azeem | DuCkNeT: if you have no firewall, then it must be a networking problem (again?) |
| 19:12.41 | madradrone | loxley: if i could find a cheap calling card. they're all such massive ripoffs... |
| 19:13.00 | blondie | madradrone: use skype then |
| 19:13.12 | madradrone | loxley: in germany i could dial 01015 from a land line and it was .02 per min. in the US i know of nothing |
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| 19:13.46 | DuCkNeT | i can`t ssh locally anymore ?!?!?!? |
| 19:13.48 | madradrone | blondie: i'm checking it out. thanks! |
| 19:13.51 | DuCkNeT | thats weird |
| 19:13.58 | DuCkNeT | i could do it 2 min ago |
| 19:13.58 | Golfgeo | I hate windows, argh |
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| 19:13.59 | loxley | well, skype is an option, but last i tested it sounded like sitting on the toilet of a sinking submarine |
| 19:14.37 | js_ | loxley: skype actually sounds quite good now |
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| 19:14.45 | js_ | much better than the other alternatives |
| 19:14.45 | loxley | js_: oh, ok :) |
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| 19:14.51 | goron | loxley: are you on the toilet of a submarine? |
| 19:15.09 | loxley | goron: no "it sounded..." |
| 19:15.14 | goron | loxley: I was JOKING. |
| 19:15.21 | loxley | :) |
| 19:15.43 | blondie | loxley: have you actually sat on the toilet in a submarine? |
| 19:15.47 | quitte | js_ whats wrong with sip? |
| 19:15.50 | goron | blondie: :D |
| 19:15.51 | kspath | that would be stealth ircing, underwater and offshore via VLF |
| 19:16.17 | loxley | blondie: yeah, but only at a museum |
| 19:16.23 | goron | Then we could set-up an underwater darknet :) |
| 19:16.46 | js_ | quitte: never tried it |
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| 19:17.22 | chealer_ | goron: I've seen the selection feature you talked about. thanks, that looks pretty useful :) |
| 19:17.32 | Golfgeo | Why the hell does win98 change my normal FAT32 partitions into hidden onces after I reboot to windows, I need to format and use those dammed things! |
| 19:17.47 | goron | chealer_: It looks like you have never used a computer before if you say that. |
| 19:18.04 | quitte | js_ works perfectly well. and you easily find gateways to pots |
| 19:18.17 | jetscreamer | Golfgeo: it's lilo not win98 |
| 19:18.18 | chealer_ | goron: last time I had to print a webpage, I did think that this was badly missing |
| 19:18.19 | jetscreamer | it's a function of the boot loader |
| 19:18.25 | jetscreamer | grub can do it too |
| 19:19.01 | jetscreamer | at a guess you moved some hd sometime to another spindle |
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| 19:19.09 | goron | chealer_: oh, ok. I had the impression you "discovered" this feature now. |
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| 19:19.32 | chealer_ | goron: yes |
| 19:19.41 | Golfgeo | jetscreamer, you sure, I fdisked the type from 1b to 0b (hidden to availible), booted a setup cd and they where shown as 0b.... |
| 19:19.53 | jetscreamer | or installed with another default biox boot |
| 19:19.56 | jetscreamer | bios |
| 19:20.16 | jetscreamer | Golfgeo: i'm sure that lilo or grub can do that, and will given the correct conditions |
| 19:20.26 | jetscreamer | if it's true on your box, i dunno eh |
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| 19:20.35 | Elly | hey guys |
| 19:20.41 | lightdifference | oh...crap. My flipping host is down. |
| 19:20.41 | goron | Is it possible to throw one bios out and put in a new one? Are there open-source BIOS systems? |
| 19:20.44 | nerochiaro | don't crucify me for asking here, but i'm having the debian-installer packaged with ubuntu failing during installation. is it fine to ask for help here or is their installer so much modified that it's no use ? all the times i asked to the ubuntu people no one was willing to help |
| 19:20.58 | Elly | whenever I put a CD in my CD-ROM drive it starts to spin really really fast, and it won't eject unless I do it manually |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | nerochiaro: #ubuntu |
| 19:21.07 | lightdifference | oopsie. |
| 19:21.07 | jetscreamer | Golfgeo: i found this out the hard way ... kinda like what you are doing, cept i had no one to ask ... :) |
| 19:21.07 | lightdifference | wrong room. |
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| 19:21.37 | jetscreamer | yes there are 3rd party bios you can flash in |
| 19:21.39 | Golfgeo | jetscreamer, :-) I'm going to reinstall since my name mapping of hdaN to real partitions is off (some how) |
| 19:22.02 | nerochiaro | abrotman: as i said, i tried, but no luck there. so i figured out i could try here. nevermind, i'll try again |
| 19:22.10 | abrotman | nerochiaro: wait a bit .. try again .. |
| 19:22.25 | jetscreamer | Golfgeo: you shouldn't have to reinstall |
| 19:22.31 | jetscreamer | but it is one way |
| 19:22.43 | nerochiaro | abrotman: yep, of course. sorry for asking here, i understand it wasn't a good idea |
| 19:22.46 | azeem | !deinstall |
| 19:22.50 | azeem | hrm |
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| 19:23.08 | azeem | dpkg needs a time-till-dinstall function |
| 19:23.17 | Golfgeo | jetscreamer, :-), yea, I know, but I wan't to do this install right so I can enjoy Etch for some time to come... |
| 19:23.47 | quitte | azeem like a cronjob? |
| 19:23.50 | goron | Shouldn't programs give "segmentation error" when they crash? |
| 19:23.53 | goron | I.e. Firefox. |
| 19:23.59 | jetscreamer | Golfgeo: been there too |
| 19:24.07 | blondie | goron: only if they have a segmentation fault |
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| 19:24.25 | blondie | and you run them from a console so you can see that being echoed |
| 19:24.34 | goron | blondie: did that of course. |
| 19:24.38 | Golfgeo | jetscreamer, thanks mate :-) |
| 19:24.47 | goron | blondie: hmm, ok, well that's the most common. I have never seen a program crash without it printing that. |
| 19:24.56 | goron | blondie: maybe it just bailed out. |
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| 19:25.01 | jetscreamer | lilo hides stuff from win98 so it doesn't freak out, iirc |
| 19:25.06 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 19:25.11 | dongysh | ls |
| 19:25.12 | blondie | goron: I have never seen a GUI program print that when it crashes :P |
| 19:25.18 | blondie | but it wouldn't be able to, would it? |
| 19:25.29 | goron | blondie: like "oh do you want to print something"? Me- Yes FF- Well, that's to difficult. I will now kill my self Me-WTF!? |
| 19:25.29 | abrotman | if you start it from a terminal ? |
| 19:25.31 | blondie | where is FF going to print that to? |
| 19:25.38 | abrotman | some of the gnome apps start bugbuddy |
| 19:25.56 | worthy | i have a failure on boot up: insmod failed to load pciehp, pcieph failed. what does this mean? |
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| 19:26.06 | abrotman | worthy: use modprobe .. never use insmod |
| 19:26.25 | jetscreamer | isn't there a factoid? |
| 19:26.28 | Cillian_ | what could have caused my install to hang on "Retrieving livtextwrap1..."? |
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| 19:26.38 | jetscreamer | !insmod |
| 19:26.38 | Cillian_ | could it be my internet cutting out? |
| 19:26.38 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 19:26.40 | worthy | ok |
| 19:26.41 | quitte | worthy dont worry it just means you dont have pci hotplug support. no idea why it is loaded,though |
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| 19:26.56 | worthy | oic quitte |
| 19:27.07 | worthy | what is hotplug |
| 19:27.14 | jetscreamer | but hey he said on bootup |
| 19:27.23 | jetscreamer | and if it's a hotplug error ignore it |
| 19:27.24 | Cillian | is that the thing which makes /dev entries on teh fly when they are needed? |
| 19:27.28 | jetscreamer | it tries to load * |
| 19:27.41 | quitte | worthy: swapping pci cards while the system is running. usb does hotplug for example |
| 19:27.49 | Cillian | omg |
| 19:27.51 | worthy | ohhh cool |
| 19:27.54 | Cillian | hotplugging pci!?!? |
| 19:27.57 | worthy | i learned something! :-) |
| 19:27.58 | jetscreamer | NOOO |
| 19:28.06 | Cillian | ? |
| 19:28.08 | jetscreamer | don't do it unless your hardware suports it |
| 19:28.15 | worthy | ok |
| 19:28.15 | Cillian | yeh, i kinda guessed :-P |
| 19:28.16 | jetscreamer | very very important |
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| 19:28.48 | jetscreamer | hotplugging pci == hotplug program ?? |
| 19:28.50 | worthy | how do i disable this insmod or hotplug |
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| 19:29.33 | jetscreamer | worthy: either list your modules in /etc/modules , compile a kernel with hw support you need compiled in, then remove the hotplug program |
| 19:29.41 | jetscreamer | but you can just leave it be it won/t hurt |
| 19:31.10 | worthy | yes i'll leave it be |
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| 19:31.15 | worthy | thanks |
| 19:31.26 | KerPlunk | !tell worthy about hotplug |
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| 19:32.13 | jetscreamer | oh that's that 'change automatic assumed' when you run lilo |
| 19:32.14 | wichox | hey alguien habla español? |
| 19:32.17 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 19:32.20 | worthy | thanks KerPlunk |
| 19:32.20 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 19:32.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:32.25 | zyno | (offtopic) go here http://website.ws/simpace if you want to earn money over the internet. |
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| 19:32.55 | cusco | hi.. I have a old computer server and http server here at home... when I set it up I did install x-window-system-core and xfce ... |
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| 19:33.15 | Miesco | I want to save a sound in /usr/share/sounds |
| 19:33.18 | Miesco | How would I do that? |
| 19:33.33 | Miesco | Im using a browser |
| 19:33.34 | cusco | now it has no screen no keyboard... is it possible to connect to it grafically? |
| 19:33.58 | quitte | Miesco: i doubt you want to actually do that. why not save to home/sounds/ insteadß |
| 19:34.06 | KerPlunk | What is the grub-install command to fix grub, I have debian and windows on my hdd, and I booted a knoppix cd and I'm in a root shell now |
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| 19:34.18 | cusco | when I used xfce in there it was a little bit slow.. so I hope I would be using my client's resources instead of the oldie-server |
| 19:34.27 | worthy | when i type esd, i get a cute sound. tell me where i can find this sound so that i can put it in my messenger |
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| 19:34.35 | worthy | what is the name of that sound |
| 19:34.44 | quitte | Miesco: and if it isnt in a debian package you should put it to usr/local/share/sound |
| 19:35.27 | jetscreamer | cusco: ssh into it? |
| 19:35.39 | cusco | jetscreamer: yes.. |
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| 19:35.50 | cusco | im running irssi from it |
| 19:35.59 | Miesco | quitte: How come? |
| 19:36.12 | jetscreamer | you mean you want it to be your remote x-server? |
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| 19:36.32 | jetscreamer | xdmcp function i 'think' |
| 19:36.33 | quitte | Miesco usr/share is part of the system. if you dont have a very good reason dont put anything in the system manually |
| 19:36.50 | Miesco | k |
| 19:36.56 | quitte | Miesco: usr/local is for instaling things yourself if you cant find debian packages |
| 19:37.05 | Seb | sup yall |
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| 19:37.24 | Jazbo | Does anybody know a simple way to limit the percent of the CPU that a process is allowed to use? |
| 19:37.36 | jetscreamer | top? |
| 19:37.45 | jetscreamer | no that's nice |
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| 19:38.09 | abrotman | ulimit ? |
| 19:38.11 | Seb | i have a problem with a laptop here: somehow hotplug inserting one module (snd_nm256) halts the boot process. How can I get to a shell ? I mean, is there a kernel options I can add to grub, so this module won't be loaded ? WOuld single user mode fix that (won't go till hotplug) ? |
| 19:38.14 | Jazbo | jetscreamer: yah nice just lowers the priority |
| 19:38.21 | worthy | well, time for my bubble |
| 19:38.23 | worthy | bbl |
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| 19:39.01 | Seb | preventing insertion of a given module during boot process, anyone ? |
| 19:39.06 | foobaz_ | what is a small & lightweigh image viewer? |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 19:39.08 | dpkg | [blacklist] Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 19:39.37 | Jazbo | abrotman: a believe ulimit allows you to limit "cpu time" but I want to limit cpu percent |
| 19:39.55 | KerPlunk | What should the grub-install line look like, I am in a knoppix cd, and I did "grub-install /dev/hda" but it says it can't find /boot...I'm not sure what to type |
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| 19:40.04 | Seb | abrotman: that's nice and all, but I cna't boot now :) |
| 19:40.06 | abrotman | Jazbo: you'd have to look into it more .. i'm not sure you can do a percentage |
| 19:40.13 | abrotman | Seb: yay rescue disk ? |
| 19:40.13 | Seb | abrotman: i need something lower-level |
| 19:40.24 | Seb | abrotman: i was hoping it wouldn't come to that :) |
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| 19:41.01 | Jazbo | cpu percentage limits would be a very useful feature |
| 19:41.25 | abrotman | Seb: unplug it? disable it in the bios ? |
| 19:41.26 | zenwryly | I'm configuring some runlevels and an init scripts that change the configuration of my system for a coLinux dual boot setup. I'm planning to use dpkg-divert for initial relocation of the files and update-alternatives to switch depeding on the runlevel. I'd like to package all this together somehow for my own reuse or others. I was thinking of making a deb that just uses debconf and maintainer scripts to do this. Is this kosh |
| 19:41.27 | zenwryly | er? I can't quite find my situation in the docs. |
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| 19:41.56 | mne | hi there ! is anyone else (using debian unstable) having problems with bogofilter ? |
| 19:42.18 | ativan | bogofilter, sounds fun! |
| 19:42.21 | ativan | what is it? |
| 19:42.22 | abrotman | mne: bts? |
| 19:42.49 | mne | ativan, it's a spamfilter liek spamassassin, but smaller and seems to be faster as well |
| 19:42.49 | bbrazil | abrotman: anti-spam |
| 19:42.55 | bbrazil | ativan: ^ |
| 19:43.34 | stouset | I would hope that the bogo in bogofilter is not meant in the same way as bogo in bogomips :) |
| 19:43.40 | jhernandez | hello, how can I extract the file data.tar.gz from a deb using the python-apt functions? |
| 19:44.39 | efaistos | deos someone uses gtkpod ? |
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| 19:45.01 | mne | stouset, it worked for me pretty well the last 2 years ;) |
| 19:45.06 | mne | efaistos, i do |
| 19:45.10 | stouset | efaistos: Yes. |
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| 19:45.46 | efaistos | do you know why i cant create the differents directories ? |
| 19:45.50 | roler | I have two user accounts on my debian box. The one I use, is not working. Nautilus doesn't display a background, desktop icons, or let me use the file manager. In my other accounts it works fine. I've even gone as far as deleting my user account 'chris' and re-creating it, making sure the old /home/chris was removed and started fresh, and it is still doing this. |
| 19:45.51 | efaistos | to use it ? |
| 19:46.07 | roler | what other directories does it store information about my user 'chris' setup ? It's gotta be something wacky |
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| 19:46.29 | mne | efaistos, make sure that you have the permissions to create the directories. |
| 19:46.33 | valdyn | roler: try starting nautilus in a shell when logged in as that user |
| 19:46.45 | roler | valdyn, ; i did. it just sits there, does nothing |
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| 19:47.02 | efaistos | mne, stouset It's a hpfs fs |
| 19:47.10 | donald | Hi! I have got a RAID1 with two drives. I want to test it, so when i take one drive out, the system boots normaly. But when i take the other disk out, i get "error 17"from grub. What can it be? |
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| 19:47.30 | valdyn | roler: deleting a user is probably not enough when his gconfd process is still running |
| 19:47.37 | efaistos | mne, stouset and it's mounted in read only |
| 19:47.41 | CHodapp | I need to do a netinstall from floppies. Can anyone tell me what the various images are for in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ and 'access' in that directory? |
| 19:47.43 | mne | efaistos, i had some problems with hfs+ fsck, i converted mine to vfat .. |
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| 19:48.00 | roler | valdyn, so when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace to log out and log backin, it doesn't restart gconfd? |
| 19:48.06 | mne | efaistos, you cant create anything if the partition is mounted read-only ;) |
| 19:48.09 | valdyn | roler: so it gconf would just rewrite your old ( possibly broken ) config |
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| 19:48.11 | valdyn | roler: nope |
| 19:48.12 | stouset | efaistos: I just used vfat for mine. |
| 19:48.20 | efaistos | stouset, mne okay ill format it ;) |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | roler: that's not logout .. that's crash |
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| 19:48.39 | roler | valdyn, ; ok thanks. I am going to reboot then |
| 19:48.55 | mne | efaistos, no, hfs+ should work as well. I just said that i had some problems with hfs+ |
| 19:49.02 | valdyn | roler: slight overkill to kill a process but sure works.. |
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| 19:49.27 | mne | efaistos, namely the filesystem inconsistent flag was set (after accidently unplugging the ipod during writing) |
| 19:49.41 | roler | ok I killed it |
| 19:49.44 | efaistos | mne, and how do you purge it ? |
| 19:49.48 | roler | let me try |
| 19:49.49 | mne | efaistos, i could not fix it with the hfs+ fsck tools, so i decided to use vfat |
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| 19:50.02 | mne | efaistos, well, it didn't work ;) |
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| 19:50.30 | mne | efaistos, the problem are the hfs+ tools. it might have worked on a mac, unfortunately i dont have one |
| 19:50.36 | valdyn | donald: grub just tries to boot from a certain disk, it does not know about linux software raid |
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| 19:51.22 | tombs | I need to remove a package "gnome-backgrounds" , but when I ask apt-get to do it, it says that gnome will ber removed too. How can I remove only the package I want? please |
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| 19:51.53 | valdyn | tombs: what is the problem with 'gnome' being removed? |
| 19:52.06 | madradrone | skype cannot call to normal phones can it? |
| 19:52.14 | valdyn | madradrone: it can |
| 19:52.16 | abrotman | tombs: gnome is a metapackage |
| 19:52.17 | donald | valdyn: But RAID1 is a mirror, and grub boots from /dev/md0 - so it should be regardless of which drive it boots. Or am i wrong? |
| 19:52.19 | Blueverie | sure...but it cost's $$$ |
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| 19:52.29 | mne | madradrone, it can using skypeout |
| 19:52.34 | valdyn | donald: grub doesnt even know about md0 |
| 19:52.35 | tombs | valdyn, probably you use another WM :) |
| 19:52.40 | roler | valdyn, still no go. I definitely have a different desktop layout now.. but when I click the nautilus file browser, it says "Starting File Browser" in the task bar, spins the hard drive then stops |
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| 19:52.50 | abrotman | tombs: it's a metapackage . it's not a big deal |
| 19:52.50 | mne | madradrone, anyway, it's proprietary |
| 19:52.51 | efaistos | mne, stouset i Have just to format the patition ? that's all ? |
| 19:52.52 | abrotman | !tell w1nd0w about root |
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| 19:53.12 | valdyn | tombs: no, probably you dont understand what the package 'gnome' does / contains |
| 19:53.14 | donald | valdyn: But must be in /boot/menu.lst, or somwhere else? |
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| 19:53.40 | valdyn | donald: why dont you look |
| 19:53.56 | stouset | efaistos: And then have ethpod initialize the iPod. |
| 19:54.36 | blondie | sigh, anti-gentoo arguments pleasE? :) |
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| 19:54.42 | tombs | valdyn, well...after a dist-upgrade, with only gnome-backgrounds, I lost all my icons, so I was trying to remove it |
| 19:54.43 | valdyn | !gentoo |
| 19:54.44 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 19:54.46 | efaistos | mne, stouset is it still usable on windows then ? |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | blondie: it's a horrible file manager! |
| 19:54.50 | efaistos | stouset, ethpod ? |
| 19:55.00 | efaistos | stouset, can i use gtkpod ? |
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| 19:55.07 | efaistos | instead of ethpod ? |
| 19:55.07 | blondie | abrotman: ha |
| 19:55.26 | mne | efaistos, it is useable on windows if it has vfat on it. otherwise you need hfs+ support for windows |
| 19:55.31 | Blueverie | has anyone intstalled Debian onto an iMac G5? |
| 19:55.35 | abrotman | blondie: time/resources/newest!=best/stablest |
| 19:55.38 | stouset | efaistos: Dude, just try things and see if they work :) |
| 19:55.44 | stouset | Blueverie: Probably. |
| 19:55.45 | valdyn | tombs: so just remove it, see if it fixes your issues |
| 19:55.52 | blondie | abrotman: some people just won't listen :( |
| 19:56.00 | CHodapp | "gentoobies"... nice term. |
| 19:56.04 | abrotman | blondie: some people eat yellow snow |
| 19:56.06 | valdyn | !greenhouse |
| 19:56.06 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:56.11 | Blueverie | stouset: I'm trying to but the installer freezes on me |
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| 19:56.23 | efaistos | stouset, it's not mine :) |
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| 19:56.44 | CHodapp | !greenhouse |
| 19:56.45 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:56.56 | CHodapp | !rice rice rice rice |
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| 19:57.15 | odb_ | nice dpkg entry |
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| 19:57.34 | quitte | is there a proper way to log into multiple gnome sessions with nfs home? |
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| 19:58.15 | CoffeeIV | sometimes I apt-get install something that has an error, and then I can't install anything else because that package is blocking everything. How to I "cancel" an apt-get install so that it no longer trys to install it ? |
| 19:58.39 | kspath | anyone here using R and OpenBUGS? |
| 19:58.44 | valdyn | quitte: i doubt that |
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| 19:59.22 | pipeline | quitte: There's no proper way to start multiple sessions. |
| 19:59.25 | Cillian | okay... i'm gonna go try freebsd |
| 19:59.35 | pipeline | quitte: Wel,l multiple sessions on one account, anyway |
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| 19:59.53 | quitte | :(. |
| 20:00.05 | abrotman | why would you want to? |
| 20:00.23 | pipeline | Yeah, no shit. |
| 20:00.39 | pipeline | actually |
| 20:00.40 | pipeline | I take that back |
| 20:00.44 | quitte | i got a machine in every room here and dont want to logout all the time and still have the same desktop everywhere |
| 20:00.49 | pipeline | it might work if youre running them all on different hosts |
| 20:00.52 | pipeline | but I wouldn't want to try it |
| 20:01.00 | pipeline | especially if I inadvertantly ran two different versions of gnome |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | quitte: use VNC ? |
| 20:01.16 | pipeline | quitte: Or xmove :P |
| 20:01.17 | quitte | why if it can run natively |
| 20:01.21 | valdyn | quitte: why must you have an nfs /home when that obviously doesnt work for machine-specific settings? |
| 20:01.24 | quitte | xmove sounds better |
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| 20:01.49 | quitte | valdyn: why dont machine specific settings have a hostname in their filename? |
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| 20:02.32 | valdyn | quitte: im not writing those applications |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | how would it be machine specific? you want to share the same settings on every client |
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| 20:03.29 | quitte | i haven#t tried the last few years. but i remeber things like lockfiles preventing things to start properly |
| 20:03.46 | valdyn | abrotman: not different per machine but each machine trying to change the same data at the same time |
| 20:03.48 | quitte | and .xauth might get replaced |
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| 20:04.05 | kspath | oh sweet JAGS |
| 20:04.30 | kspath | crap |
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| 20:05.19 | abrotman | valdyn: well .. yes that too .. but how are the settings machine specific when he wants all clietns to use the same settings |
| 20:05.21 | kspath | Why does every lame project have to have the same name as obscure but useful/important projects!?!?! |
| 20:05.52 | valdyn | abrotman: they aren't. |
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| 20:05.53 | gozz | does anyone know what the F@#$ up with the new ati drivers? |
| 20:06.07 | stouset | gozz: in xorg? Works for me. |
| 20:06.07 | abrotman | valdyn: i thought he said that's what he wanted |
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| 20:06.29 | quitte | yes |
| 20:06.44 | FliesLikeABrick | does this mean anything to any of you: http://ww2.u13.net/damnit.jpg <-- my colocated server crashes and thats what shows up on the screen, thats all i've got to work with as of right now |
| 20:06.49 | valdyn | abrotman: said nothing about that, just wants to have multiple sessions being run from the same configuration files basically |
| 20:06.58 | FliesLikeABrick | it accepts connections but thats all, doesn't send any data |
| 20:07.00 | abrotman | kspath: the english language sucks ? |
| 20:07.13 | abrotman | valdyn: quitte just seemed to agree |
| 20:07.22 | gozz | when i setup the dual display it dosnt save any settings as soon as i reboot it all goes back |
| 20:07.32 | quitte | the config files are the same with nfs home |
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| 20:07.59 | quitte | but those arent the problem a lot. im worried more about session specific files |
| 20:08.05 | kspath | abrotman: English is not perfect but I think the fault lies with people. |
| 20:08.28 | valdyn | gconfd ( for exmample ), will just overwrite settings changed by another gconfd running on a different box |
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| 20:09.12 | gozz | and the ati control panel does nothing at all |
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| 20:09.30 | jmonk_82 | i get a meta-type error when installing linuxquake3demo.tar.sh |
| 20:09.33 | jmonk_82 | any ideas? |
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| 20:09.46 | jetscreamer | i guess sony makes shit dvd medium |
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| 20:10.02 | jetscreamer | jmonk_82: why install the demo? |
| 20:10.17 | jmonk_82 | oh its on a friends computer he doesn't have the full version |
| 20:10.19 | gozz | and opengl is very very slow like 1fps |
| 20:10.32 | jetscreamer | jmonk_82: q3 is opensource now |
| 20:10.41 | jmonk_82 | oh |
| 20:10.44 | abrotman | i thought just the engine was |
| 20:10.48 | jmonk_82 | same |
| 20:10.53 | jmonk_82 | i thought just the engine was |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | not really |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | oh ..nm |
| 20:11.02 | Gnea | jetscreamer: the engine is, not the packs |
| 20:11.05 | jmonk_82 | never the less the demo wont install |
| 20:11.11 | jetscreamer | ok i'm worntg |
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| 20:11.18 | abrotman | you're what? |
| 20:11.21 | valdyn | jmonk_82: what's the error message? |
| 20:11.24 | jetscreamer | wurng |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:12.02 | Malagmyr | Why move to Linux, Issue #133911817: While Windows Update can perfectly locate and download updates without the Client for Microsoft Networks installed for the active NIC, it FAILS TO LOCATE THEM ON THE LOCAL HARDDRIVE without it, meaning it downloads the updates and doesn't install them without giving any pointers as to why... |
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| 20:12.03 | rpmx | Hi all |
| 20:12.11 | Malagmyr | *sigh* |
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| 20:12.47 | valdyn | Malagmyr: haha |
| 20:12.52 | KerPlunk | !greet rpmx |
| 20:12.53 | dpkg | Wassup, rpmx |
| 20:12.57 | rpmx | i have problem with xorg, i can some character write fine such as m ? e ? |
| 20:13.16 | KerPlunk | !tell rpmx about ask |
| 20:13.28 | jmonk_82 | valydn: it says meta-type error |
| 20:13.43 | Malagmyr | rpmx: What is your native language? |
| 20:14.03 | rpmx | spanish |
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| 20:14.05 | jmonk_82 | let me paste the actual error |
| 20:14.06 | jmonk_82 | one sec |
| 20:14.11 | Malagmyr | !tell rpmx about spanish |
| 20:14.13 | gozz | i even did the dpkg reconfigure xserver and i selected 1024x768 and it still boots to 1792-1344 could somone tell me why? |
| 20:14.31 | KerPlunk | !tell rpmx about pe |
| 20:14.38 | rpmx | yeah |
| 20:14.46 | jetscreamer | jmonk_82: are you doing it as root? the loki installer(iirc) wants priv's |
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| 20:15.14 | valdyn | it doesnt need root if you pick user - writable directories.. |
| 20:15.47 | jmonk_82 | i tried it as root as well |
| 20:15.53 | jmonk_82 | it opens a new xterm |
| 20:16.02 | jmonk_82 | and quickly prints out error and closes the terminal |
| 20:16.12 | valdyn | jmonk_82: how are you starting that file? |
| 20:16.12 | jmonk_82 | debian_:/home/irfan/Desktop# ./linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh |
| 20:16.13 | jmonk_82 | Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root" |
| 20:16.13 | jmonk_82 | Link points to "/tmp/kde-root" |
| 20:16.13 | jmonk_82 | kbuildsycoca running... |
| 20:16.13 | jmonk_82 | KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/4 |
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| 20:16.16 | CHodapp | Ok...anyone want to guess why the Debian installer crashed on my after I put in the root.img disk? |
| 20:16.32 | pipeline | CHodapp: No. I'd rather you just told us. |
| 20:16.39 | CHodapp | I don't know. |
| 20:16.47 | CHodapp | I can get a photo of the screen though, or try to describe the errors. |
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| 20:17.11 | jmonk_82 | debian_:/home/irfan/Desktop# sh ./linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh |
| 20:17.11 | jmonk_82 | kbuildsycoca running... |
| 20:17.11 | jmonk_82 | KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/4 |
| 20:17.14 | CHodapp | pivot_root: No such file/directory . . . /sbin/init: No such file or directory . . . . kernel panic. |
| 20:17.20 | KerPlunk | !tell CHodapp about ask |
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| 20:18.01 | jmonk_82 | why isn't the install working |
| 20:18.04 | jmonk_82 | this is strange |
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| 20:18.10 | CHodapp | I have a problem, the errors of which I just described. |
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| 20:18.19 | CHodapp | Is that any better? |
| 20:18.31 | jmonk_82 | hmm |
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| 20:18.42 | elly_ | est |
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| 20:19.21 | CHodapp | It's the stable version from March 21, 2005... I booted from boot.img on a floppy and then put it root.img when it asked, then it promptly got a kernel panic. |
| 20:19.38 | efaistos | stouset, it works now ... ican put some files on the ipod but i cant see them on the ipod when i unplug it |
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| 20:20.47 | bucky | CHodapp: how did you make your floppies.. with dd or rawrite? |
| 20:20.54 | CHodapp | dd |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | there's no stable version from that date :) |
| 20:20.59 | CHodapp | I'm checking them now |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | or does he mean the directory on the ftp server? |
| 20:21.24 | bucky | CHodapp: sounds like a bad floppie.. did it fdformat ok before writing the image? |
| 20:21.33 | Gnea | CHodapp: are you sure the floppies are sane? did you superformat them before the dd? |
| 20:21.42 | CHodapp | Whatever http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/ is |
| 20:21.42 | osdebian | I have a cdrom at hdc, and there are no device nodes listed in /dev for hdc or any cdroms for that matter, and MAKEDEV dosen't seem to work, anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:21.43 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 20:21.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:22.04 | CHodapp | Gnea, they looked like standard 1440K images, I don't believe the floppies were fdformatted |
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| 20:22.24 | CHodapp | wow...THOSE md5s don't match. |
| 20:22.26 | bucky | CHodapp: so you dd'ed to a fat file system? |
| 20:22.35 | Gnea | CHodapp: i was about to ask about the md5's :) |
| 20:22.36 | CHodapp | What? |
| 20:22.41 | CHodapp | Who said anything about FAT? |
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| 20:22.51 | marty | hello folks |
| 20:23.05 | bucky | CHodapp: well if you didn't format the dam floppy what do you think is on it? |
| 20:23.18 | CHodapp | bucky, I said I did not _FDFORMAT_! |
| 20:23.31 | CHodapp | The floppies were formatted, but to a standard 1440K |
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| 20:23.40 | keyhack | I'm having a situation where if I unzip say, the kernel source, a couple seconds after that, the machine freezes for a period of time, usually around 30-40 seconds. I have three RAID MD using the same 4 300GB SATA drives, one RAID1 and two RAID5s. Is this normal behavior of using software RAID? Could hot (temperature wise) drives also cause this type of behavior? |
| 20:23.45 | marty | would anyone be willing to tell me of a disk utility that can make a partition larger without deleting its contents |
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| 20:23.55 | m1ke | hi... |
| 20:24.01 | CHodapp | marty, GNU PartEd, for a lot of filesystems |
| 20:24.02 | bucky | CHodapp: so the store bought pc floppy will be magically turned into ext2 when you just put it into your floppy drive? |
| 20:24.13 | m1ke | my debian/kde machine just locks up on reboot... |
| 20:24.21 | m1ke | not sure where to begin troubleshooting. |
| 20:24.25 | CHodapp | Bucciarati, The floppies..........WERE................FORMATTED. |
| 20:24.28 | m1ke | i hit logout and screen just goes blank |
| 20:24.28 | CHodapp | bucky* |
| 20:24.44 | bucky | <CHodapp> bucky, I said I did not _FDFORMAT_! |
| 20:24.47 | m1ke | ctl-alt-f* don't work either. |
| 20:24.50 | bucky | *NOT* |
| 20:24.55 | Gnea | bucky: don't be an idiot. |
| 20:24.58 | CHodapp | DO YOU KNOW HOW FDFORMAT AND FORMAT ARE DIFFERENT? |
| 20:24.58 | bucky | next contestant |
| 20:25.20 | CHodapp | How did the boot floppy magically boot? I used 'dd' |
| 20:25.25 | bucky | fine.. fix your own problem genius |
| 20:25.36 | m1ke | no, fix my problem! |
| 20:25.41 | CHodapp | You stupid douche, I know how to handle disk images. |
| 20:25.53 | m1ke | i can just feel the love |
| 20:25.54 | bucky | CHodapp: go bang yourself |
| 20:26.01 | CHodapp | And Gnea properly suggested to check md5s, and it seems that was the issue. |
| 20:26.01 | bucky | sniveler |
| 20:26.38 | marty | would anyone be willing to tell me of a disk utility that can make a partition larger without deleting its contents |
| 20:26.41 | marty | ? |
| 20:26.53 | CHodapp | marty, GNU PartEd... didn't you catch it the first time? |
| 20:26.59 | Gnea | CHodapp: i suggest superformat'ing the floppies (that's the command anyway, from fdutils) then just writing the current images |
| 20:27.03 | marty | no i didn't |
| 20:27.09 | CHodapp | Gnea, why superformat? Isn't 1440K good? |
| 20:27.09 | marty | sorry CHodapp |
| 20:27.10 | marty | thanks |
| 20:27.53 | steppirotta | How can i see what version of Xfree i have |
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| 20:28.44 | KerPlunk | steppirotta: dpkg -al|grep -i xfree |
| 20:28.56 | Gnea | CHodapp: it's much more stringent in finding out if the floppy is good or not |
| 20:29.09 | CHodapp | Gnea, hrm, okay |
| 20:29.21 | CHodapp | I need some more floppies, most of mine mine are all at home |
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| 20:29.45 | KerPlunk | CHodapp: call AOL's 1800 number and tel them you don't have a cdrom and you need them to send you floppies instead |
| 20:30.23 | CHodapp | KerPlunk, I think I've got a drawer at home full of them and all the other 6000 services that offered a browser and dial-up access software on a floppy. |
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| 20:30.50 | CHodapp | Ok. That root.img is working better. |
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| 20:31.06 | CHodapp | The first time Debian said the floppy had no label but it would try to use it anyway... |
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| 20:32.02 | CHodapp | mmm... it is installing in 24 MB of RAM, but it won't like it. |
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| 20:32.35 | gnufa1 | Stupid question - what did ftp.debian.org do, is it the master of the mirrors? |
| 20:32.44 | azeem | "did"? |
| 20:32.51 | Gnea | "do"? |
| 20:33.00 | CHodapp | I just used ftp.debian.org |
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| 20:33.18 | CHodapp | but I have no idea... |
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| 20:36.07 | gnufa1 | azeem: if it is back shoulldn't someone update the topic. |
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| 20:36.27 | Solid | sometimes running many apps i get libssl not found how do i get libssl.so.4 in my /lib dir |
| 20:36.35 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | Please NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 20:36.36 | kspath | beautiful stuff: http://www.usinglinux.org/math/ |
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| 20:37.19 | Solid | i mean i have to install which package so i can get libssl.so.4 |
| 20:37.28 | Solid | im my /lib dir |
| 20:37.47 | streuner | Solid: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:37.48 | Gnea | Solid: libssl goes in /usr/lib not /lib |
| 20:38.09 | Solid | ahh k |
| 20:38.19 | gnufa1 | kspath: I'm still mastering yacas... wish I'd had it for my maths degree. |
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| 20:38.43 | MadClown | has anyone tried the unstable Cacti 0.8.6h package as of yet? |
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| 20:38.55 | Solid | error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:38.57 | mhall | gnufa1: my favorite way to do quick math is $(()) in bash ;-) |
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| 20:39.38 | omry | my desktop is acting strange, there is small pause every few seconds. how do I figure out which process is to blame? |
| 20:39.40 | Solid | ive isntalled libssl0.9.6 package but still gettin errors in lots of apps |
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| 20:40.03 | osdebian | I have a cdrom at hdc, and there are no device nodes listed in /dev for hdc or any cdroms for that matter, and MAKEDEV dosen't seem to work, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 20:40.05 | omry | nothing special in top. |
| 20:40.06 | gnufa1 | mhall: heathen - real programmers use dc for maths ;) |
| 20:40.09 | Gnea | Solid: what apps? |
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| 20:41.10 | rpmx | $setxkbmap us , another not solution my problem in xorg , for fix my character in Xwindow __ |
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| 20:45.13 | errizinhow | fuck your us |
| 20:45.32 | rpmx | uhmm |
| 20:45.52 | azeem | errizinhow: watch your language, this is a support channel |
| 20:46.18 | gnufa1 | sid - gnome - my ctrl-alt-F* is borked as well. The gettys are there. I think it was fiddling with GNOME accessibility stuff that broke it.... but previously it was only broken at the login dialog, now it is broken all the time.... Any ideas where to start looking -- I'm thinking GNOME feature... Not that I miss it much, but one day I'm going to be locked out till I reboot I just know... |
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| 20:46.50 | errizinhow | vo penssar no seu caso |
| 20:47.06 | azeem | errizinhow: please talk english in here |
| 20:47.15 | azeem | errizinhow: /join #debian-br for portugese |
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| 20:47.33 | errizinhow | yo sono balaiero |
| 20:47.42 | azeem | !br |
| 20:47.43 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:47.54 | john | hey everyone, i just mounted my windows drive to my 2nd(linux) drive, but when i cannot open the folder, and it says that i do not have the permissions necessary, i tried opening with sudo, can anybody help? |
| 20:48.09 | mhall | gnufa1: yeah but then you have to fork() a process |
| 20:48.20 | mhall | gnufa1: and one thing i don't like doing is forking or fscking |
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| 20:48.40 | errizinhow | glamurosa rainha do funk poderosa olhar de diamante |
| 20:48.44 | azeem | yeah, forking is overrated |
| 20:48.54 | azeem | errizinhow: last warning, please talk english or leave |
| 20:48.57 | moox | hi there ! I have a problem with saslauthd : cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory. I think the service doesn't start correctly. Can you help me ? |
| 20:48.57 | azeem | !br errizinhow |
| 20:49.07 | errizinhow | what program iam download ircop ? |
| 20:49.17 | gnufa1 | Oh weird - I clicked "Special keys (Ctrl+Alt+<key>) handled in server" and the screen changed in bizarre ways and I got and XKB warning..... |
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| 20:49.42 | mhall | stew: which n00b was abused with mhallsmite? |
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| 20:49.55 | kspath | gnufa1: http://www.usinglinux.org/math/ |
| 20:49.56 | mhall | stew: and who did it |
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| 20:50.05 | lin_n00b | hey everyone, i just mounted my windows drive to my 2nd(linux) drive, but when i cannot open the folder, and it says that i do not have the permissions necessary |
| 20:50.14 | benjamindees | john, try the umask=0000 mount option |
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| 20:50.19 | lin_n00b | i already tried opening the drive with sudo |
| 20:50.20 | kspath | gnufa1: sorry wrong one : http://www.perfsci.com/souvenirs.htm |
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| 20:51.12 | lin_n00b | benjamindees: umask unmounts the drive though right? |
| 20:51.21 | errizinhow | my penis in your bunda |
| 20:51.22 | benjamindees | lin_n00b, no |
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| 20:51.52 | benjamindees | errizinhow, thank you for speaking English... |
| 20:52.02 | lin_n00b | benjamindees: says command not found |
| 20:52.04 | miki_ | hi any one have experience with a ATI X800 XT on debian 3.1 R1? |
| 20:52.08 | errizinhow | what search one ircop? |
| 20:52.13 | gnufa1 | kspath: I've never needed a prime number that big - thanks anyway... |
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| 20:52.27 | errizinhow | violator[user] |
| 20:52.28 | errizinhow | oi |
| 20:52.32 | errizinhow | hi |
| 20:52.36 | violator[user] | :P |
| 20:52.37 | violator[user] | dae |
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| 20:52.45 | errizinhow | 100% PNEU DE TRÊM HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA |
| 20:52.46 | _lukax_ | ;) |
| 20:52.46 | errizinhow | ^^ |
| 20:53.00 | kspath | what a tard |
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| 20:53.06 | errizinhow | ctr+k cor |
| 20:53.08 | _lukax_ | errizinhow: do you speak english? |
| 20:53.08 | errizinhow | :P |
| 20:53.12 | errizinhow | yes |
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| 20:53.22 | errizinhow | ai marcelo |
| 20:53.23 | _lukax_ | were you from? |
| 20:53.29 | streuner | !br |
| 20:53.29 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:53.33 | errizinhow | !br |
| 20:53.39 | CHodapp | oKtosiTe, so my luck isn't particularly good. I have a 3Com 3c589c Ethernet card (PCMCIA)... tomsrtbt handles it, ZipSlack handles it, but the Debian installer flips out and won't load the module from the net-drivers.img disk. |
| 20:53.49 | errizinhow | _lukax_: sei lá |
| 20:53.50 | errizinhow | HµäđHµåđHµäđHµåđHµäđHµå.. [novecentos e dois] |
| 20:54.02 | errizinhow | [CPU: (1-Intel Pentium 4, 2799MHz, 1024KB (0% Load))] - [OS: (Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600))] - [MEM: (Usage: 324/767MB (42.24%))] - [Vídeo: (NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000) (1024x768 32bit 75Hz)] - [Up: (1hr 17mins 51secs)] |
| 20:54.05 | errizinhow | l al al alalalal |
| 20:54.05 | _lukax_ | kkkkkkkkkk |
| 20:54.06 | benjamindees | lin_n00b, mount -t fat -o umask=0000 /dev/hdX /mnt/blah |
| 20:54.12 | streuner | !ops can we get rid of this troll? (errizinhow) |
| 20:54.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: can we get rid of this troll? (errizinhow) |
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| 20:54.24 | errizinhow | năo me bandam |
| 20:54.26 | errizinhow | banam |
| 20:54.28 | errizinhow | :( |
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| 20:54.36 | lin_n00b | benjamindees: just copy and paste that and substitute the drive for blah |
| 20:54.39 | lin_n00b | ? |
| 20:54.41 | _lukax_ | kkkkk |
| 20:54.46 | strider | benjamindees: vfat |
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| 20:54.57 | errizinhow | streuner: ta tirando |
| 20:54.58 | errizinhow | ? |
| 20:55.02 | errizinhow | cabeça de purungo |
| 20:55.03 | errizinhow | ? |
| 20:55.19 | streuner | errizinhow: don't hit 'enter' too much! |
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| 20:55.26 | errizinhow | fuck you mother!!! |
| 20:55.37 | errizinhow | you is idiot |
| 20:55.39 | errizinhow | ¬¬ |
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| 20:56.14 | jsn | I am joining errizinhow. He is a great leader whom we should believe, no matter what. |
| 20:56.24 | errizinhow | ă? |
| 20:56.25 | CHodapp | Anyone know why 3c589_cs won't load in the Debian installer? It's kinda prohibiting me from doing a net install.... says there are unresolved symbols... |
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| 20:57.13 | errizinhow | falem mais |
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| 20:57.24 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.26 | kspath | opps |
| 20:57.27 | bbrazil | CHodapp: sounds like a bug in the installer - try a depmod -a |
| 20:57.28 | benjamindees | CHodapp, that's a cardbus driver I think... |
| 20:57.28 | streuner | !tell errizinhow about enter |
| 20:57.37 | errizinhow | yours all is gays |
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| 20:58.03 | nkuttler | omfg... i wonder why i even stay in this channel any more. this isn't a troll problem, it's an op problem |
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| 20:58.30 | streuner | nkuttler: ops aren't not always awake... |
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| 20:58.35 | CHodapp | benjamindees, whatever it is, the net-drivers disk doesn't like it, but tomsrtbt and Slackware have no trouble |
| 20:58.49 | CHodapp | but I can't find any other ways to do netinstall |
| 20:59.11 | CHodapp | bbrazil, that command lists about 6 unresolved symbols, most of them in the USB drivers |
| 20:59.14 | gnufa1 | BRB restarting X.org |
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| 20:59.44 | kspath | Does Brazil have a troll farm? |
| 20:59.58 | nkuttler | streuner: well, maybe there should be more then |
| 21:00.04 | streuner | its friday, so live with it |
| 21:00.14 | nkuttler | it's even saturday |
| 21:00.22 | streuner | oh, the same ... :-) |
| 21:00.24 | kspath | or Sunday |
| 21:00.27 | nkuttler | hehe |
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| 21:01.56 | blondie | er |
| 21:02.00 | blondie | ER |
| 21:02.07 | bbrazil | CHodapp: its probably for a different kernel, which version of the installer are you using? |
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| 21:02.24 | azeem | _lukax_: please turn that off |
| 21:02.33 | alamar | bbl |
| 21:02.39 | _lukax_ | ahm? |
| 21:02.48 | blondie | _lukax_: you heard! |
| 21:02.52 | jetscreamer | so if a vps had openldap installed, that could indicate that my webhost uses windows for a domain? |
| 21:02.54 | CHodapp | bbrazil, whatever http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ gave me |
| 21:02.54 | azeem | 21:56 * _lukax_ !MP3! C:\Documents and Settings\User\Meus documentos\Minhas mĂºsicas\Iron Maiden\Rock in Rio Disc 1\10 The |
| 21:03.01 | azeem | _lukax_: ^^ turn that off |
| 21:03.07 | blondie | you could at least use a linux media player :P |
| 21:03.17 | _lukax_ | uhm |
| 21:03.17 | _lukax_ | ok |
| 21:03.22 | jetscreamer | there is no c |
| 21:03.25 | _lukax_ | pqp |
| 21:03.26 | azeem | _lukax_: or at least, do not type it again, if it wasn't meant to go to the chan |
| 21:03.32 | _lukax_ | /ddserv off |
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| 21:03.42 | bbrazil | CHodapp: thats not good. I don't know what the policy is with bugs in the stable installer. |
| 21:03.51 | _lukax_ | i´m brasiliam mam |
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| 21:03.57 | CHodapp | I just need to get Linux on this damn laptop. |
| 21:03.58 | _lukax_ | i don´t speak english |
| 21:04.03 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 21:04.03 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:04.07 | bbrazil | CHodapp: try a testing installer? |
| 21:04.14 | CHodapp | bbrazil, no, not yet |
| 21:04.14 | blondie | _lukax_: stop using fake apostrophes |
| 21:04.20 | azeem | blondie: oh come on |
| 21:04.24 | blondie | :\ |
| 21:04.31 | blondie | well they show up as squares for me |
| 21:04.35 | _lukax_ | fuck in to hell ;) |
| 21:04.38 | jetscreamer | try utf8 |
| 21:04.41 | azeem | they show up strange here as well |
| 21:04.58 | azeem | blondie: but what's the use in saying that to somebody who just said "I don't speak english"? |
| 21:05.06 | azeem | in the same sentence, even |
| 21:05.13 | bbrazil | CHodapp: woody and upgrade? |
| 21:05.16 | blondie | azeem: that's a paradoxical statement! |
| 21:05.29 | blondie | or maybe just a lie |
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| 21:05.45 | kspath | babelfish? |
| 21:05.53 | jetscreamer | is not a verb |
| 21:05.59 | jetscreamer | yet |
| 21:06.06 | blondie | babelfish would probably use proper apostrophes :P |
| 21:06.06 | CHodapp | bbrazil, I haven't really tried anything but current, I'm kinda new to Debian. |
| 21:06.17 | bbrazil | CHodapp: laptops can be fun |
| 21:06.28 | X-assanhadinhU | fuck ? |
| 21:06.33 | CHodapp | bbrazil, but right now I am having no luck |
| 21:06.37 | jetscreamer | ya'll no likee the sarge floppies? |
| 21:06.38 | azeem | X-assanhadinhU: no |
| 21:06.44 | azeem | X-assanhadinhU: wrong channel |
| 21:06.50 | azeem | _lukax_: stop it! |
| 21:06.50 | jetscreamer | _lukax_: you missed |
| 21:06.50 | _lukax_ | kkkkkkkkkk |
| 21:06.57 | jetscreamer | i thought you might have |
| 21:07.00 | azeem | _lukax_: /j #debian-br |
| 21:07.05 | X-assanhadinhU | :) |
| 21:07.05 | X-assanhadinhU | HouahOuahoUhaOHoaO = X-assanhadinhU |
| 21:07.05 | blondie | what is it with the brazilians today |
| 21:07.09 | _lukax_ | huahuahua |
| 21:07.16 | bbrazil | CHodapp: you could get CD1, install the base system from that and then compile your own kernel |
| 21:07.20 | _lukax_ | fuck |
| 21:07.24 | bbrazil | CHodapp: do you have experiance with other distros? |
| 21:07.24 | _lukax_ | noob |
| 21:07.25 | CHodapp | bbrazil, sorry, who said anything about a CD-ROM? |
| 21:07.38 | blondie | bbrazil: er you're not brazilian are you? |
| 21:07.46 | bbrazil | blondie: /whois |
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| 21:08.23 | blondie | hmm, people on freenode have no imagination :) |
| 21:08.23 | bbrazil | CHodapp: I guessed as much, grab a pcmcia card from somewhere? |
| 21:08.29 | CHodapp | bbrazil, PCMCIA card for what? |
| 21:08.36 | bbrazil | CHodapp: network card |
| 21:08.42 | CHodapp | I have a network card |
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| 21:09.01 | bbrazil | CHodapp: yes, but it doesn't work with the installer. you could try a different model |
| 21:09.04 | benjamindees | CHodapp, you could boot a floppy and load an .iso image from the hd, if you have multiple partitions |
| 21:09.11 | CHodapp | benjamindees, not enough space |
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| 21:09.27 | bbrazil | blondie: I've been using this handle for 6 years |
| 21:09.32 | CHodapp | bbrazil, the card is fine, I'm not getting a new one because the installer won't handle it |
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| 21:09.41 | blondie | bbrazil: um ok o.o |
| 21:09.56 | bbrazil | CHodapp: borrow one, you only need it for a few hours until you can compile a kernel |
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| 21:10.10 | CHodapp | bbrazil, I don't know that I can find anyone on campus with a separate card. |
| 21:10.12 | amphi | CHodapp: is this one of your ancient laptops? |
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| 21:10.45 | CHodapp | Stupid kids. |
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| 21:10.55 | shay | thanks, azeem |
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| 21:11.14 | bbrazil | CHodapp: try woody I'd say |
| 21:11.21 | ootput | m2618: you bitch |
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| 21:11.27 | centrx | and the tech support continues |
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| 21:11.44 | inetd__ | kick the spammers!!! |
| 21:11.47 | streuner | c211-28-209-236.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au |
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| 21:12.00 | inetd__ | burn in hell u spammers!! |
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| 21:12.05 | ootput | guess which channel he's from |
| 21:12.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c211-28-209-236.frank1.vic.optusnet.com.au] by mentor |
| 21:12.17 | kspath | Wow they are terribly ignorant "people". |
| 21:12.19 | X-assanhadinhU | HouahOuahoUhaOHoaO = X-assanhadinhU |
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| 21:12.42 | amphi | ootput: which? |
| 21:12.48 | mentor | fun fun fun |
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| 21:13.26 | smo_ | hi, i m trying to create a live stream thru jack and icecast2 ,can someone try this link please with xmms mplayer or vlc... http://rb6toxic.hd.free.fr:1234/smo-live.ogg just to test ( i m in france) thx ... |
| 21:13.30 | kspath | luserz on the loose and likely they do not even comprehend it. |
| 21:13.31 | _lukax_ | puts |
| 21:13.44 | bbrazil | man, all the ops are out today |
| 21:14.01 | azeem | bbrazil: yeah |
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| 21:14.09 | azeem | it's friday night you know |
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| 21:14.17 | bbrazil | !permafridaynight |
| 21:14.36 | bbrazil | saturday night where I am |
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| 21:14.58 | azeem | yeah, yeah |
| 21:14.59 | kspath | You are on Earth time? |
| 21:15.00 | ft | smo_: works for me, using cmus |
| 21:15.13 | smo_ | where are u from? please |
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| 21:15.27 | ft | smo_: germany |
| 21:15.35 | bbrazil | CHodapp: after that we're looking at rube goldberg installs, things like swapping hard drives |
| 21:15.35 | smo_ | nice, thx |
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| 21:15.50 | CHodapp | bbrazil, how about creative ZipSlack installation? |
| 21:15.57 | bbrazil | CHodapp: ? |
| 21:16.00 | smo_ | sounds good ft? |
| 21:16.03 | CHodapp | bbrazil, what? |
| 21:16.33 | ft | smo_: well, the quality seems okay, it's not quite my taste, though :) |
| 21:16.41 | smo_ | lol ok |
| 21:16.49 | bbrazil | CHodapp: ah, I see now. Another distro probably won't have this problem |
| 21:17.10 | ultraviolet16 | can someone please explain what backports are? |
| 21:17.13 | smo_ | this sytem with jack is crazy i can stream any software |
| 21:17.23 | bbrazil | !backports |
| 21:17.24 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:17.32 | smo_ | nice to make sound with friends too, great!!! |
| 21:17.47 | CHodapp | jack as in Jack Audio Connection Kit? |
| 21:17.56 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 21:17.59 | bbrazil | CHodapp: if the problem is also in testing it wouldnn't be a bad idea to file a bug against the installer |
| 21:18.12 | _lukax_ | #BBB |
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| 21:18.29 | ultraviolet16 | bbrazil: how about when I install though, I'm reading the stuff on backports.org, but say I want to install a package that is in the backports and also in the stable reposetories.. |
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| 21:18.48 | jetscreamer | then i wont type !ops _lukax_ |
| 21:19.02 | ultraviolet16 | how do I specify to apt-get that I want to use the backports source |
| 21:19.06 | bbrazil | ultraviolet16: as in a version from both backports and stable? |
| 21:19.13 | ultraviolet16 | yeah |
| 21:19.21 | bbrazil | ultraviolet16: why would you want to do that? |
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| 21:19.43 | bbrazil | ultraviolet16: for one or the other, apt-pinning is used (described on backports.org site) |
| 21:19.43 | ultraviolet16 | the things in backports are also in stable, or no? |
| 21:19.55 | streuner | ultraviolet16: read the instructions on their website carefully |
| 21:20.07 | streuner | no |
| 21:20.12 | streuner | !backports |
| 21:20.13 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 21:20.39 | benjamindees | ultraviolet16, sometimes they are the same, sometimes not, you can specify an exact version number with apt-get package=1.2.3 |
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| 21:20.45 | ultraviolet16 | this is I'm reading about pinning.. but I don't really understand what it means |
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| 21:21.00 | ultraviolet16 | like why would I deactivate packages? |
| 21:21.07 | bwlang | is is possible to set up an alias so that it mails multiple local users? eg: sysadmin: bwlang otheruser |
| 21:21.13 | ultraviolet16 | and then to install I need to activate.. say mutt as in the example..? |
| 21:21.15 | streuner | ultraviolet16: via pinning you decide which source have higher prior than another one |
| 21:21.17 | bbrazil | bwlang: sysadmin: a,b |
| 21:21.36 | bwlang | bbrazil: thanks... couldn't find a man page for it... |
| 21:21.42 | bbrazil | bwlang: man aliases |
| 21:21.51 | streuner | ultraviolet16: so you can control which sources become a higher prior and apt uses only those sources which you want |
| 21:22.05 | bwlang | bbrazil: man aliases -> No manual entry for aliases |
| 21:22.10 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: ok I got that.. so I have to pick from where I want to get it.. what if.. damn that sounds messy.. what about when I do updates? |
| 21:22.11 | streuner | ultraviolet16: read man apt-get in doubt |
| 21:22.12 | bbrazil | bwlang: ah, I'm using postfix |
| 21:22.31 | bwlang | bbrazil: hmm - so maybe that won't work for me? |
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| 21:23.02 | bbrazil | bwlang: I'd be extremely suprised if it didn't |
| 21:23.24 | ultraviolet16 | let |
| 21:23.27 | ultraviolet16 | let's see.. |
| 21:23.27 | bwlang | bbrazil: looks like it does. |
| 21:23.30 | streuner | ultraviolet16: good question, i would just get the packages of backports.org and use |
| 21:23.36 | streuner | ultraviolet16: |
| 21:23.50 | streuner | ultraviolet16: 'preferences' - read the instructions there |
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| 21:24.31 | kspath | bwlang: watch for special cases where email for address@domain.nom -> address@domain.nom,addr1@domain.nom,add2@domain.nom |
| 21:25.20 | streuner | ultraviolet16: keep in mind, if you don't use 'preference' you'll get everything from backports.org, that could mess up your system totally... |
| 21:25.22 | ultraviolet16 | i'm reading about adding lines to my 'preferences' file but I don't have one, just create it? |
| 21:25.27 | kspath | bwlang: in that case there is normally and marker/escape character for itself to prevent a loop |
| 21:25.38 | streuner | ultraviolet16: yes |
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| 21:25.55 | ultraviolet16 | how do I tell apt to look for preferences? |
| 21:26.04 | streuner | it would do it auto |
| 21:26.10 | ultraviolet16 | ok thans |
| 21:26.13 | ultraviolet16 | let me try this out then |
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| 21:28.46 | gnufan | Ah back again - sorted the ctrl-Alt thing by sorting the xorg.conf settings apparently I'm in great britain not the Ukraine... |
| 21:29.02 | ultraviolet16 | woh i just got a apic error on cpu0: 40(40)2% what the hell was that? |
| 21:29.38 | gnufan | GNOME keyboard app still moans at me about xkb is this "normal for SID" or just me? |
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| 21:31.25 | ultraviolet16 | what is an apic error? |
| 21:31.41 | KerPlunk | !apic |
| 21:31.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apic is IO-APIC (I/O Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller) is an Intel architecture for dealing with interrupts in multi-processor computer systems. It is implemented by the Intel 82093AA chip and found on all Intel SMP CPU boards. |
| 21:32.25 | streuner | ultraviolet16: apic could handle more than one IRQ on modern mobos, usually you just don't it... |
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| 21:32.56 | ultraviolet16 | well i don't have an intel chip, so that's funny |
| 21:32.56 | streuner | ultraviolet16: you could disable APIC via bootloader |
| 21:33.54 | streuner | in kernel-sources read kerneloptions.txt |
| 21:33.54 | benjamindees | amd chips have it too |
| 21:33.54 | ultraviolet16 | I have an amd64 chip but i'm running i386 since I was suggested to do so |
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| 21:34.01 | ultraviolet16 | ah ok, well should I disable apic? i only have one cpu, can it help me? |
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| 21:34.15 | streuner | just disable it |
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| 21:37.51 | my_true_hero | how can I disable the mails that come in every time I install a package? |
| 21:38.21 | dvs | my_true_hero: you get a mail everytime you install a package? That's weird! |
| 21:38.43 | my_true_hero | is it? are you being facetious? |
| 21:38.57 | ultraviolet16 | no that doesn't happen to me either |
| 21:38.59 | dvs | my_true_hero: I've never heard of that before |
| 21:39.08 | centrx | debconf does generate e-mails for some packages |
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| 21:39.18 | my_true_hero | yes, that'd be it, centrx |
| 21:39.19 | centrx | it would be in the configuration for debconf somewhere |
| 21:39.34 | my_true_hero | hmm, ok. I'll check it out. thanks |
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| 21:40.08 | jason__ | can someone tell em the basic command for finding your own machine's ip? |
| 21:40.19 | dondelelcaro | !address |
| 21:40.19 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ ([\d\.]+)<.+/$1/;' |
| 21:41.04 | bbrazil | last one is wrong methinks |
| 21:41.19 | streuner | yep |
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| 21:41.36 | jason__ | why is something so simple as getting your machine's ip address so hard in debian? |
| 21:41.36 | bbrazil | actually, it does parse X-Forwarded for |
| 21:41.48 | Seb | jason__: cause Debian sucks |
| 21:41.51 | moshii | jason__: ifconfig && read |
| 21:41.58 | bbrazil | jason__: the above factoid appears to be several people having some fun |
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| 21:42.21 | dondelelcaro | jason__: it's fairly easy; the above factoid just lists a bunch of ways which you can get only your ip without extraneous formatting. |
| 21:42.24 | streuner | Seb: wth? |
| 21:42.29 | Seb | jason__: ifconfig is enough, if you can *read*. Extracting just the IP, say i na script, is a little more convoluted in linux in general, as the above factoid points |
| 21:42.33 | dondelelcaro | jason__: if you do't care about the extraneous formatting, just use ifconfig |
| 21:42.37 | bobbens | jason__: just point your browser to checkip.dyndns.org |
| 21:42.40 | Seb | streuner: jus' trollin', ya know ;) |
| 21:42.47 | jason__ | Seb, i tried ifconfig...bash shell says it doesnt understand the comand |
| 21:42.50 | Seb | streuner: yesterday night was sorta rough :> |
| 21:42.53 | dondelelcaro | jason__: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:43.02 | jason__ | ..ahhh okay |
| 21:43.10 | jason__ | i think that might work..thx |
| 21:43.12 | moshii | I'm sure you don't need all that to extract the ip from ifconfigs output |
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| 21:43.25 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: I'de like to get more info on APIC to determine wether or not i'm going to disable it, can you point me ways? |
| 21:43.41 | dondelelcaro | moshii: uh... there are 5 different examples there |
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| 21:43.45 | dondelelcaro | s/5/>>5/ |
| 21:43.53 | gnufan | Surely dpkg should have learnt to use the "ip" command by now ;) |
| 21:44.11 | streuner | ultraviolet16: via your bootloader (grub, lilo) - you need set up kerneloption in your bootloader |
| 21:44.19 | dondelelcaro | gnufan: "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6" |
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| 21:44.32 | benjamindees | jason__, are you saying there's an easy way to get just your IP address in, say, Windows? |
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| 21:44.39 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: also, what could be the cause of the errors i'm getting? |
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| 21:45.19 | streuner | ultraviolet16: append="noapic" for /etc/lilo.conf, don't ask me for grub |
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| 21:45.35 | streuner | ultraviolet16: laptop? |
| 21:45.39 | jason__ | ben, yes lol |
| 21:45.48 | odla | !lol |
| 21:45.48 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:45.50 | ultraviolet16 | yeah it's a laptop |
| 21:46.01 | jason__ | benjamindees, yes HEH |
| 21:46.01 | bbrazil | jason__: its about as difficult |
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| 21:46.09 | streuner | ultraviolet16: does your laptop use the same IRQ for the different devices? |
| 21:46.10 | dondelelcaro | indeed, it's probably more difficult |
| 21:46.19 | jason__ | bbrazil, /sbin/ifconfig doesnt work |
| 21:46.22 | dondelelcaro | since you'd need to use ipconfig and then munge its output. |
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| 21:46.27 | dondelelcaro | jason__: eh? |
| 21:46.35 | dondelelcaro | jason__: doesn't work in what way? |
| 21:46.43 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: ipconfig /all | findstr 'IP address' (untested - don't have a NT box to hand) |
| 21:46.49 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: I don't know.. and yeah I have grub ;) |
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| 21:46.53 | jason__ | it says bash shell '/sbin is a directory |
| 21:46.56 | maxb | What decides whether /etc/mtab is a real file, or a symlink into /proc? The initscripts handle both cases. |
| 21:47.04 | dondelelcaro | jason__: /sbin/ifconfig. You're putting in a space. |
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| 21:47.09 | bbrazil | jason__: you probably didn't type it right |
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| 21:47.34 | moshii | jason__: learn to use tab completion too |
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| 21:48.06 | streuner | ultraviolet16: well, you should read the docs for grub then, bootloader is one of the most important things you need to know in linux... |
| 21:48.38 | streuner | (at least for linux...) |
| 21:48.44 | streuner | (at least for lilo...) |
| 21:48.46 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: I'll read the grub stuff to disable apic, but how can I find out if my laptop uses the same irq's for the same devices, through bios? |
| 21:49.08 | streuner | ultraviolet16: cat /proc/interrupt |
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| 21:49.24 | moshii | maxb: if root is read only /etc/mtab is a link into proc |
| 21:49.43 | streuner | ultraviolet16: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 21:49.52 | bbrazil | moshii: that sounds very chicken and egg |
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| 21:50.11 | jason__ | check, check, and check |
| 21:50.27 | maxb | moshii: I seem to have found a small bug in the initscripts when: /etc/mtab is a real writable file AND there are no non-root non-swap non-proc non-noauto FSes in fstab |
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| 21:50.40 | moshii | bbrazil: mm well mount tries to write /etc/mtab, and you can't do that on a read only root, i.e. a cramfs initrd |
| 21:50.41 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: let me check that out |
| 21:51.00 | Stevis2 | Please can somebody help me out? |
| 21:51.11 | bbrazil | moshii: mount -n |
| 21:51.14 | Ykstort | Hi, Stevis2 |
| 21:51.23 | Ykstort | what's the problem? |
| 21:51.23 | Stevis2 | I have installed debian with minimal install from floppy, and then downloaded files as it needed |
| 21:51.37 | jason__ | thankyou everyone for your help |
| 21:51.39 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: ok i read it, now.. what is this info telling me |
| 21:51.40 | Stevis2 | but i don't have any sort of graphical interface...just prompt |
| 21:52.00 | ultraviolet16 | Stevis2: it's cause you need to install the graphical interface.. |
| 21:52.02 | Ykstort | Stevis2, you need to install the X window system |
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| 21:52.11 | jason__ | Stevis2, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:52.11 | Stevis2 | just use the apt-get thing? |
| 21:52.14 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 21:52.14 | ultraviolet16 | Stevis2: try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:52.29 | Ykstort | isn't it xorg-x11 |
| 21:52.32 | jason__ | then apt-get install kde or gnome |
| 21:52.36 | Stevis2 | ok thanks...use that instead of gdm? |
| 21:52.43 | moshii | bbrazil: for some reason mount from debian with -n never worked for my initrd system.. busybox's is fine though |
| 21:52.46 | DustyDingo | does the official stable release for ia64 also supports the amd X2,.. this means a smp kernel? |
| 21:52.50 | Ykstort | hang on |
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| 21:53.10 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: the amdx2 isn't ia64 |
| 21:53.11 | Ykstort | Stevis2, what happens if you type "startx" |
| 21:53.15 | bbrazil | moshii: I've had to use it once or twice |
| 21:53.20 | streuner | !ia64 |
| 21:53.20 | dpkg | hmm... ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
| 21:53.28 | Stevis2 | dunno...i'll have to boot in to it and see |
| 21:53.49 | DustyDingo | dondelelcaro: lol, sorry my mistake |
| 21:53.55 | Stevis2 | i'll have a go and report back :) |
| 21:54.11 | Stevis2 | thanks all...see you in a bit |
| 21:54.15 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: you probably want amd64; /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 21:54.16 | blackgecko | anyone can help to install debian on an old powerbook ?? |
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| 21:54.22 | moshii | bbrazil: My linuxrc tries to mount proc using mount with the -n option so that /etc/mtab can be linked into proc and then everything else can be mounted normally .. but mount bitches about not being able to write /etc/mta and the kernel panics |
| 21:54.25 | dondelelcaro | blackgecko: just ask, or try #debianppc |
| 21:54.33 | Ykstort | if startx gives you command not found then apt-get install xorg-x11 |
| 21:54.37 | benjamindees | !tell blackgecko about ask to ask |
| 21:54.49 | streuner | Ykstort: xbase-clients |
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| 21:55.00 | streuner | Ykstort: you need that package then |
| 21:55.18 | Ykstort | /I/ don't need anything |
| 21:55.22 | KerPlunk | Is there a good ncurses program for setting up the network/diagnostics tool to see why the network doesn't work. |
| 21:55.23 | bbrazil | moshii: you tried a mount --bind? |
| 21:55.33 | DustyDingo | dondelelcaro: year i mean amd64 |
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| 21:55.39 | blackgecko | thanks, iam completely new to mac |
| 21:55.40 | streuner | Ykstort: s/need/want/ |
| 21:55.48 | bbrazil | KerPlunk: mtr is one - personally I use ping,ifconfig,arpping,arp,tcpdump |
| 21:55.48 | Ykstort | /I/ don't wan't anything |
| 21:55.56 | blackgecko | how do i access the openfirmware prompt ?? |
| 21:55.59 | streuner | haha |
| 21:56.13 | kspath | KerPlunk: iptraf might be fun for you as well |
| 21:56.23 | Ykstort | I'm helping Stevis2 |
| 21:56.29 | streuner | oh |
| 21:56.32 | streuner | :-) |
| 21:56.36 | moshii | bbrazil: I only use debians mount in my initrd because I need the mount by volume label option later on to finish loading the system from an encrypted usb flash drive.. I just use mount from busybox for everything else |
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| 21:58.19 | KerPlunk | Anyone have a webpage with dead simple guides to using cdrecord. ie examples lines like for making a music cd, data cd, or burning an image. |
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| 21:58.43 | KerPlunk | I essentially want three lines, and each an example command. |
| 21:58.44 | moshii | KerPlunk: www.google.com |
| 21:58.49 | ultraviolet16 | KerPlunk: actually the manual entry for cdrecord has good examples |
| 21:59.00 | ultraviolet16 | so just man it |
| 21:59.05 | ultraviolet16 | and look at examples |
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| 22:00.57 | juice` | are packages.debian.org going back online this month ? |
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| 22:01.24 | streuner | juice`: they working on it |
| 22:01.49 | odla | 07:57 -!- ladyisabel77 [n=saga@host114-53.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has |
| 22:02.03 | juice` | any other way to find what package version is on other distro type ? |
| 22:02.08 | ultraviolet16 | streuner: i found out what to add to grub to disable apic |
| 22:02.08 | dondelelcaro | juice`: you can use the bot if you have questions about it. |
| 22:02.15 | ultraviolet16 | it's just 'noapic' |
| 22:02.15 | dondelelcaro | juice`: /msg dpkg info foopkg foodistribution; |
| 22:02.15 | ultraviolet16 | hehe |
| 22:02.18 | ladyisabel77 | ? odla ? |
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| 22:02.25 | juice` | thank you |
| 22:02.42 | benjamindees | juice`, or browse the ftp sites |
| 22:03.01 | juice` | easier to messaged the bot :) no wat to do it with apt-file/apt-cache ? |
| 22:03.20 | dondelelcaro | juice`: yes, you can; you can also do it using grep-dctrl |
| 22:03.26 | ultraviolet16 | does anyone know how to edit the boot up entry that grub has.. like once and for all, instead of having to append to it everytime? |
| 22:03.49 | quitte | ultraviolet16: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:03.51 | dondelelcaro | ultraviolet16: it's in the menu.lst; change the kernel option. |
| 22:04.03 | moshii | ultraviolet16: it tells you how to append options in menu.lst |
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| 22:04.24 | ultraviolet16 | thanks guys |
| 22:04.45 | juice` | maybe im blind, but i couldnt find --distro-type or anything like that in apt-cache manual |
| 22:04.45 | moshii | ultraviolet16: then do update-grub and the options will be appended to the generated kernel entries :) |
| 22:04.58 | ultraviolet16 | now that i'm in this directory, anyone know how to have grub display a different pic on bootup? |
| 22:05.23 | quitte | moshii: you dont even have to do that. grub reads that file everytime |
| 22:05.28 | steppirotta | i just installed debian. do i have to configure the firewireports some how that my external hd would work |
| 22:05.30 | SimonRaven | ultraviolet16: script it |
| 22:05.34 | gimby | right now, when I start debian, I get to a command line and have to type "startx" to get run kde; when I logout of kde, I'm back at the command line. can I make it so that kde loads automatically, and I can turn off my computer right from kde? |
| 22:05.55 | quitte | gimby: install kdm |
| 22:06.07 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: what do you mean grub reads it? from where? |
| 22:06.17 | moshii | quitte: um you do, the entries for the kernels are generated by update-grub |
| 22:06.25 | gimby | thanks quitte |
| 22:06.47 | moshii | quitte: so if you add options to add when generated and don't regenerate them grub ain't going to see them |
| 22:06.53 | quitte | moshii: always worked for me to just change menu.lst. and im sure it will do the next time |
| 22:07.12 | quitte | moshii: generate? what do you mean by that? |
| 22:07.39 | moshii | quitte: look at : ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 22:07.43 | moshii | quitte: and below |
| 22:08.10 | ultraviolet16 | i'm reading menu.1st now, this is so cool |
| 22:08.14 | ultraviolet16 | thanks again |
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| 22:08.36 | moshii | quitte: not all of menu.lst is for grub, some of it is there so that installing kernel packages works nicely |
| 22:08.55 | odla | any recommendations for a lightweight music player? |
| 22:09.12 | ultraviolet16 | i have windows on this machine so only one person can use it, now I can change "windows xp" to "david use this one" that's funny. ha |
| 22:09.13 | quitte | moshii: ok i see. that information will be useful thanks. |
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| 22:09.55 | benjamindees | ultraviolet16, might want to extend the delay, or get rid of it altogether, as well |
| 22:10.06 | ultraviolet16 | what do you mean? |
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| 22:10.15 | krassy1809 | need help |
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| 22:10.32 | benjamindees | ultraviolet16, timeout |
| 22:10.44 | krassy1809 | my network card is not working |
| 22:11.12 | ultraviolet16 | benjamindees where can I find that? |
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| 22:11.23 | ultraviolet16 | ah i'll look, no worries |
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| 22:11.30 | moshii | krassy1809: you need to gave more details |
| 22:11.33 | benjamindees | ultraviolet16, it's in menu.lst |
| 22:11.34 | ultraviolet16 | ok found it =) |
| 22:11.40 | streuner | krassy1809: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 22:11.43 | ultraviolet16 | sorry, that was a lazy question.. |
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| 22:12.27 | krassy1809 | when i type lspci in konsole the message is :0000:00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1904:8139 (rev 01) |
| 22:13.15 | streuner | krassy1809: hm, why don't just answer my question? |
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| 22:13.42 | krassy1809 | say:Linux version 2.6.8 (root@Yoda) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Sun Oct 2 17:47:49 EEST 2005 |
| 22:13.44 | nipra | What does 0 (zero) indicate at ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/Archive-Update-in-Progress-saens.debian.org? |
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| 22:14.02 | streuner | krassy1809: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 22:15.13 | krassy1809 | say:ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 22:15.13 | krassy1809 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.51 | streuner | krassy1809: ok, check out if your NIC is supported by 2.6.15 (backports.org) |
| 22:16.03 | streuner | krassy1809: or just get another NIC |
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| 22:16.34 | streuner | krassy1809: maybe you find the chipset in pciids.sf.net there |
| 22:16.43 | krassy1809 | my NIC is with rtl 8139 chipset - brand new |
| 22:16.47 | benjamindees | krassy1809, try modprobe 8139too |
| 22:16.56 | streuner | its a custom kernel... |
| 22:16.58 | benjamindees | probably just needs a pci id added to the driver |
| 22:17.20 | streuner | krassy1809: did you try a stock debian kernel? |
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| 22:18.21 | krassy1809 | i have two more NIC`s with the same chipsets but another manifacturers and they work without problems |
| 22:18.42 | krassy1809 | What is stock ? |
| 22:18.42 | streuner | ok, sell the other one then |
| 22:18.54 | streuner | official kernel |
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| 22:19.37 | krassy1809 | i have a patched custom kernel 2.6.8 |
| 22:20.50 | ConfuziuS | debian no recognize my LAN onboard adapter at installation, where i can get the module? |
| 22:21.13 | streuner | is the adapter supported? |
| 22:21.15 | moshii | krassy1809: does the card look right in the POST output? maybe your board doesn't like the card |
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| 22:21.35 | ConfuziuS | is an MSI K7N2 Platinum Mainboard |
| 22:21.55 | streuner | fine, we need the chipset of the NIC |
| 22:21.58 | krassy1809 | the card is working fine on the same board under windows ME |
| 22:22.00 | harm1988 | how do i set up NAT? |
| 22:22.16 | ConfuziuS | router |
| 22:22.32 | streuner | krassy1809: so there is a good chance that it should work in linux then... |
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| 22:22.36 | harm1988 | i wannt set up NAT on my box |
| 22:22.42 | harm1988 | so it becomes a gateway |
| 22:22.49 | streuner | ipmasq |
| 22:22.56 | lin_n00b | can somebody explain to me what GNU is and how to install or use it? thanks :) |
| 22:23.09 | streuner | gnu.org |
| 22:23.15 | ConfuziuS | :-)) |
| 22:23.23 | krassy1809 | What is POST output ? |
| 22:23.45 | ultraviolet16 | gnu.. that's like asking if someone can explain the ocean and how to use it |
| 22:24.05 | ultraviolet16 | lin_n00b: www.wikipedia.org |
| 22:24.11 | lin_n00b | streuner:how do i use it with my linux? do i have to get one made for GNU? |
| 22:24.21 | bbrazil | !post |
| 22:24.21 | dpkg | i heard post is the Power On Self Test, or according to jorg the Power On Elf Test (perhaps roll D6 for number of elves?) |
| 22:24.22 | ultraviolet16 | lin_n00b: www.wikipedia.org |
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| 22:24.49 | streuner | lin_n00b: read gnu.org |
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| 22:25.17 | damned|home | evening all. how can i reconfigure which soundcard to use in my system? |
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| 22:25.37 | lin_n00b | streuner: do i download it? i'm so confused |
| 22:25.46 | nipra | lin_n00b: you are already using it ...though with linux kernel |
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| 22:26.03 | benjamindees | krassy1809, if I build you a module for the standard debian 2.6.8 kernel will you test it? |
| 22:26.30 | krassy1809 | yes |
| 22:26.51 | benjamindees | krassy1809, okay give me a few minutes |
| 22:26.51 | loveknow | I think it's nautilus... how can I get the tree-view / double pane? |
| 22:26.54 | krassy1809 | but some litle help i need |
| 22:26.59 | lin_n00b | nipra: i'm running Ubuntu, but if i am using it then why do some programs tell me that i need and don't have it when i ./configure |
| 22:27.02 | krassy1809 | to test it |
| 22:27.15 | loveknow | its just a single window which resizes each time I click to go into another dir. |
| 22:27.36 | streuner | lin_n00b: why are you telling us that you use ubuntu in #debian? |
| 22:27.39 | amphi | lin_n00b: what error message do you get? |
| 22:27.46 | Sebbecking | hi there.. I'm a kind of newbie in Uniide systems, and so tghere's my question: I have installed "ftpd" via "apt-get install ftpd". so my question is: How to configurate it ? So, i mean add users etc. |
| 22:28.05 | amphi | lin_n00b: you probably need to install some -dev package or other |
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| 22:28.16 | nkuttler | Sebbecking: read /usr/share/doc/ftpd/* |
| 22:28.17 | moshii | Sebbecking: documention is usually in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:28.28 | Seb | Sebbecking: you prolly want something a bit more configurable, say proftpd or vsftpd |
| 22:28.31 | lin_n00b | amphi: You must have either have gettext support in your C library, or use the |
| 22:28.31 | lin_n00b | *** GNU gettext library. (http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/gettext.html |
| 22:28.40 | Sebbecking | okay, thanks. |
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| 22:28.48 | nkuttler | lin_n00b: please, go to #ubuntu |
| 22:28.55 | amphi | lin_n00b: try apt-get install build-essential for a start |
| 22:29.04 | Sebbecking | I don't know @Seb in.ftpd is all I know. |
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| 22:29.09 | jimb0 | i have a problem |
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| 22:29.12 | jimb0 | i cant boot xwindows |
| 22:29.13 | lin_n00b | amphi: thanks |
| 22:29.19 | jimb0 | and it worked fine before a crash occurred |
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| 22:29.38 | jimb0 | and now it gives me some error 'cant find display: expected -1 and got 0' or something of the sort |
| 22:29.55 | Jaguar- | I think it's nautilus... how can I get the tree-view / double pane? |
| 22:29.55 | lin_n00b | amphi, says i am running the newest version already |
| 22:30.05 | jimb0 | im wondering if there's a temp file i can delete to restore xwindows to default settings or something. |
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| 22:30.40 | jimb0 | im running kde 3.5. the crash occurred when i changed a setting in Klaptop |
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| 22:30.51 | nkuttler | jimb0: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for EE lines |
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| 22:31.02 | jimb0 | i dont think i run xfree86 |
| 22:31.07 | jimb0 | i either run xbin or xorg |
| 22:31.11 | amphi | lin_n00b: then perhaps apt-get install gettext |
| 22:31.15 | lin_n00b | ok |
| 22:31.24 | nkuttler | jing: um, where did you get those? |
| 22:31.33 | nkuttler | jimb0: ^^^ |
| 22:31.38 | jimb0 | heh |
| 22:31.42 | jimb0 | what do you mean? |
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| 22:31.52 | benjamindees | krassy1809, make sure you have an updated kernel 2.6.8 for 386. You can /msg me the output of this command if you're not sure: dpkg-query -W kernel-image-2.6.8* |
| 22:31.53 | jimb0 | they are pretty standard libraries right? |
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| 22:32.05 | nkuttler | jimb0: you should consider running stable |
| 22:32.10 | jimb0 | xorg is pretty well known as a substitute for xfree86 right? |
| 22:32.11 | jimb0 | what's stable? |
| 22:32.18 | amphi | lin_n00b: or perhaps if you do ./configure --disable-nls (I think it is - ./configure --help to be sure) it won't want gettext |
| 22:32.18 | jimb0 | or how do i do that? |
| 22:32.23 | nkuttler | jimb0: www.debian.org |
| 22:32.33 | nkuttler | jimb0: you install it |
| 22:32.38 | amphi | jimb0: xorg is working well for me on stable |
| 22:32.40 | lin_n00b | amphi: i got the gettext, its configuring ok now |
| 22:32.45 | jimb0 | can i just apt-get it? |
| 22:32.46 | lin_n00b | amphi: thanks :) |
| 22:32.52 | amphi | jimb0: yes |
| 22:33.02 | jimb0 | okay then thats no big deal. |
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| 22:33.04 | ootput | so what was the deal with the spamming an hour ago |
| 22:33.06 | amphi | jimb0: look at backports.org |
| 22:33.10 | jimb0 | ill apt get it, as long as i dont have to compile with kernel im fine |
| 22:33.20 | amphi | jimb0: or ask dpkg about xorg sarge IIRC |
| 22:33.25 | strider | When compiling modules for my kernel, i usually use checkinstall (say for the wireless card). Is there a better way (a debian way)? Something as easy as using m-a |
| 22:33.30 | jimb0 | can you tell me at all what this means? |
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| 22:33.40 | jimb0 | i can check these resources, but i have no idea what you're suggesting the problem might be |
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| 22:33.51 | amphi | jimb0: what problem? |
| 22:33.59 | jimb0 | the problem is |
| 22:34.05 | ootput | one sentence |
| 22:34.05 | jimb0 | xwindows worked fine for me for a while |
| 22:34.17 | jimb0 | and then i changed a single setting in Klaptop, and instantly crashed. |
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| 22:34.21 | jimb0 | now i cant boot into X anymore. |
| 22:34.25 | ootput | that's the good thing about irc.. you can take forever to respond :) |
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| 22:34.35 | streuner | ootput: hm, someone flooded the channel using the same ISP than you |
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| 22:34.45 | nekostar | o.o |
| 22:34.47 | ootput | streuner: yep, nsw optus |
| 22:34.57 | amphi | jimb0: I've never heard of 'Klaptop' - not the happiest of names |
| 22:35.00 | streuner | ootput: different IP ;-) |
| 22:35.00 | ootput | jimb0: perhaps it's a faulty daemon that starts up |
| 22:35.22 | nekostar | hum |
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| 22:35.36 | ootput | jimb0: have you tried removing .kde (kind of drastic, unless you know how to disable servers via the config files) |
| 22:35.37 | nekostar | in yalls experience whats the fastest setup? |
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| 22:35.51 | nekostar | not for install time but for something that looks sweet and runs fast |
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| 22:35.54 | ootput | define fastest setup |
| 22:36.06 | nekostar | like |
| 22:36.09 | ootput | you're looking for distro recommendations? |
| 22:36.19 | amphi | jimb0: but I very much doubt installing xorg is going to fix whatever Klaptop did |
| 22:36.20 | nekostar | gnome/kde/enlightenment/openbox |
| 22:36.28 | jimb0 | i have not tried removing .kde |
| 22:36.30 | ootput | mate, none of the above |
| 22:36.30 | nekostar | running debian gnome etc |
| 22:36.35 | nekostar | o.o |
| 22:36.40 | lpb-oberon | e17 |
| 22:36.44 | nekostar | what do you recommend besides cli |
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| 22:36.53 | nekostar | e17? got a link for that lpb-oberon >? |
| 22:36.59 | ootput | tile-based WM's |
| 22:36.59 | streuner | dpkg, start a wm war |
| 22:36.59 | dpkg | enlightenment sucks! |
| 22:37.03 | nekostar | a sort of how to so to speak |
| 22:37.03 | jimb0 | ootput: i was actually wondering if there was a config file i could delete, so this sounds like a good idea |
| 22:37.04 | amphi | jimb0: just mv-ing it to .kde-old or something would do, don't delete it unnecessarily |
| 22:37.05 | ootput | nekostar: get-e.org |
| 22:37.08 | jimb0 | yes eactly |
| 22:37.11 | jimb0 | right i was gonna backup |
| 22:37.13 | jimb0 | ill try that out |
| 22:37.19 | jimb0 | thanks |
| 22:37.23 | nekostar | hehe |
| 22:37.24 | jimb0 | ill let you know what happens. |
| 22:37.27 | nekostar | ditto |
| 22:37.30 | ootput | jimb0: i suggested it's removal because you'll benefit from it in the long run ;) |
| 22:37.32 | nipplesrulz | this is me too :P |
| 22:37.35 | ootput | its |
| 22:37.35 | lpb-oberon | http://www2.get-e.org/Screenshots/Official/ |
| 22:38.27 | amphi | ootput: you mean kde? |
| 22:38.29 | ootput | nekostar: i find that the fastest setup depends on what you use most often. If you're relying on kde apps, best to use kde. |
| 22:38.33 | lpb-oberon | well i had some trouble compiling it on an amd64 |
| 22:38.55 | ootput | nekostar: there's no point loading a minimal wm if you're going to constantly deal with heavy libs |
| 22:39.06 | ootput | amphi: sorry? |
| 22:39.13 | gpm | someone explain this to me (from df -h): /dev/hdb1 151G 143G 0 100% /home/gpm/hdb |
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| 22:39.22 | Sebbecking | Hi, it's me again.. I could not find something to configurate in /usr/share/doc/ftpd/README.debian ... I know now it's linux-ftpd-0.17 for Linux, a port of the OpenBSD ftp daemon. Does that mean ther IS nothing to configurate at all ? |
| 22:39.26 | gpm | why is it wasting 8 G? |
| 22:39.29 | ootput | gpm: journaling takes up a chunk |
| 22:39.35 | gpm | 8 gigs? |
| 22:39.44 | ootput | it depends on how much you allocated |
| 22:39.50 | nipplesrulz | 5% i thinkish |
| 22:40.02 | moshii | gpm: maybe you have some deleted files that are still in use |
| 22:40.11 | Gnea | Sebbecking: no idea, i use proftpd, which has a configuration file /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 22:40.15 | ootput | 1.5 * 5 ~ 8 |
| 22:40.22 | gpm | moshii: why would they be in use? how would i delete them? |
| 22:40.25 | MooglyGuy | 7.5 :P |
| 22:40.34 | nkuttler | Sebbecking: apt-cache show ftpd |
| 22:41.05 | moshii | gpm: stop the processes thats using them.. |
| 22:41.07 | Sebbecking | nkuttler: what is with that ? |
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| 22:41.15 | nkuttler | Sebbecking: did you read it? |
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| 22:41.27 | Sebbecking | yes. |
| 22:41.33 | lpb-oberon | lol moshii :) |
| 22:41.33 | ootput | 151 gigs is quite a bit of storage space for desktop use |
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| 22:41.35 | nkuttler | Sebbecking: what does it say? |
| 22:41.48 | gpm | ootput: i have a lot of stuff :) |
| 22:41.49 | Sebbecking | nkuttler: It is recommended for you to use one of its |
| 22:41.49 | Sebbecking | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.58 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 22:42.01 | ootput | particularly for those who don't even bother re-watching/listening to the media |
| 22:42.29 | nipplesrulz | so if i boot up in another partition can i tar the entire partition my / is in and untar for backups? or is there a utility for just that? |
| 22:42.40 | jimb0 | ootput: by .kde did you mean the entire .kde directory? |
| 22:42.45 | ootput | nipplesrulz: i like rsync -aHx |
| 22:42.46 | jimb0 | i assumed it was a config file |
| 22:42.50 | ootput | jimb0: yeah |
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| 22:42.53 | jimb0 | uhhh, |
| 22:42.57 | jimb0 | isnt that like everythnig? |
| 22:43.06 | ootput | jimb0: precisely |
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| 22:43.08 | jimb0 | hahah |
| 22:43.11 | ootput | jimb0: i don't like kde :) |
| 22:43.12 | jimb0 | yeah i guess i would benefit. |
| 22:43.15 | jimb0 | i like kde |
| 22:43.20 | jimb0 | i also like fluxbox |
| 22:43.25 | ootput | that's why you're experiencing that error :) |
| 22:43.31 | jimb0 | why? |
| 22:43.41 | jimb0 | because i like the pretty colors? |
| 22:43.43 | jimb0 | :p |
| 22:43.44 | ootput | all the nonsense daemons that are launched |
| 22:43.50 | nipplesrulz | e;h |
| 22:43.54 | nipplesrulz | ice !_! |
| 22:43.59 | jimb0 | i think flux is teh wins |
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| 22:44.14 | nipplesrulz | i like openbox bnetter than flux as you can resize from any corner |
| 22:44.17 | moshii | ootput: I'm sure they have a purpose |
| 22:44.22 | ootput | fluxbox tries to hard to be everything to every one :) |
| 22:44.25 | nipplesrulz | flux is limited ot the bottom two :/ |
| 22:44.31 | ootput | moshii: they do, but it's a pain in the ass when debugging |
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| 22:44.43 | jimb0 | so ootput |
| 22:44.45 | maq0r | Hello |
| 22:44.51 | jimb0 | once i remove .kde, is there a starting point? |
| 22:44.52 | jimb0 | heh |
| 22:45.02 | jimb0 | because i'll have nothing. |
| 22:45.09 | ootput | a bright future ahead of you |
| 22:45.13 | jimb0 | i guess i could also just apt-get remove kde |
| 22:45.24 | jimb0 | wouldn't that be cleaner? |
| 22:45.28 | odla | jimb0: that won't work |
| 22:45.31 | odla | !remove kde |
| 22:45.31 | dpkg | i heard remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 22:45.33 | ootput | no, because that's system-wide |
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| 22:45.37 | ootput | not per-user config |
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| 22:45.50 | jimb0 | yes im doing this system wide |
| 22:45.53 | moshii | jimb0: how is your kde broken? |
| 22:45.58 | jimb0 | i do the cardinal sin, i'm always root |
| 22:46.04 | jimb0 | it just wont start into X |
| 22:46.13 | jimb0 | it used to work fine |
| 22:46.16 | jimb0 | until a crash happened |
| 22:46.19 | moshii | jimb0: how about fixing that before removing kde? |
| 22:46.19 | jimb0 | then it wont get back into X |
| 22:46.25 | jimb0 | i think thats a great idea |
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| 22:46.29 | odla | jimb0: why do you do everything as root? |
| 22:46.34 | moshii | jimb0: are you using kdm? |
| 22:46.35 | jimb0 | but oodles of noodles thinks its better if i learn the hard way |
| 22:46.39 | jimb0 | hehe |
| 22:46.49 | jimb0 | i'm using kde |
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| 22:46.53 | jimb0 | nt sure if i'm using kdm |
| 22:46.55 | jimb0 | i assume so |
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| 22:46.59 | jimb0 | desktop manager/. |
| 22:47.00 | jimb0 | ? |
| 22:47.02 | ootput | how do ou start x |
| 22:47.04 | moshii | jimb0: how are you starting X? start or pretty logon? |
| 22:47.10 | jimb0 | pretty logon |
| 22:47.19 | moshii | jimb0: and it looks all kde yeah? |
| 22:47.20 | ootput | xdm/kdm,gdm |
| 22:47.26 | deadcat | slim is the best |
| 22:47.42 | moshii | jimb0: is X getting to kdm or is it puking earlier? |
| 22:47.50 | jimb0 | its not getting to anything, sorry. |
| 22:47.58 | jimb0 | it basically throws up and goes straight to a command line |
| 22:48.07 | jimb0 | and startx doesnt work of course, nor startkde |
| 22:48.11 | ootput | sure it ain't your xorg.conf? |
| 22:48.17 | moshii | jimb0: ok, you need to look in /var/log and at the log for your xserver |
| 22:48.17 | jimb0 | might be that |
| 22:48.20 | jimb0 | okay |
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| 22:48.22 | ootput | jimb0: what does your .xinitrc contain? |
| 22:48.30 | jimb0 | i dont know if i have a .xinitrc |
| 22:48.34 | nipplesrulz | ootput, if im rsync ing from the same comp to the same comp while its running in that dir |
| 22:48.34 | nipplesrulz | o meh |
| 22:48.39 | jimb0 | honestly, i looked for it and didnt see it |
| 22:48.46 | ootput | nipplesrulz: you should be fine |
| 22:48.52 | moshii | jimb0: have you checked the log? |
| 22:48.53 | jimb0 | moshii: ill check the xserver log right now |
| 22:49.17 | nipplesrulz | my other machine main disrto is on /dev/hda1 and i want to backup to /dev/hda4 it will copy all symbolic links and everythinng? |
| 22:49.25 | ootput | nipplesrulz: rsync -aHxv / /mnt/backup-root |
| 22:49.29 | jimb0 | nice |
| 22:49.32 | ootput | nipplesrulz: yeah |
| 22:49.33 | jimb0 | im missing a couple fonts apparently |
| 22:49.34 | nipplesrulz | awesome thankyou |
| 22:49.35 | jimb0 | i dont know how |
| 22:49.42 | jimb0 | that might be causing it. |
| 22:49.49 | moshii | jimb0: it should tell you why it's puking near the end |
| 22:49.50 | nipplesrulz | /mnt/backup-root being where its going then eh |
| 22:49.52 | jimb0 | i read on a forum about this causing a similar problem for someone else |
| 22:50.00 | ootput | jimb0: missing fonts are negligible |
| 22:50.11 | ootput | nipplesrulz: yeah |
| 22:50.12 | moshii | jimb0: it might not be the fonts.. scroll down and find out why it's exiting |
| 22:50.20 | nipplesrulz | thanx bunches man |
| 22:50.23 | odla | how do i change the local time? |
| 22:50.28 | odla | i'm running icewm |
| 22:50.31 | ootput | nipplesrulz: the -x switch restricts it to the original partition |
| 22:50.52 | ootput | nipplesrulz: so if you have a multi-partition layout, you'd have to have to reproduce that layout on the backup partition |
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| 22:51.11 | smo_ | get xfce4 it s nice, really |
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| 22:51.20 | ootput | odla: date |
| 22:51.51 | gpm | size: 151 G, used: 126G, free 17G...i just rebooted...no processes could be clinging to deleted files. any other clues? |
| 22:51.53 | odla | type date at a term? |
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| 22:51.56 | gpm | it's ext3 |
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| 22:51.59 | jimb0 | wow |
| 22:52.04 | jimb0 | moshii: it looks really fucked up. |
| 22:52.17 | ootput | gpm: it's the journaling |
| 22:52.18 | moshii | jimb0: does it say whats wrong? |
| 22:52.21 | deadcat | if you guys promoting your fav wm. i need to see some screenshots... your screenshots |
| 22:52.34 | jimb0 | first of all |
| 22:52.36 | gpm | ootput: so..if i'd used ext2 instead i'd have more space right now? |
| 22:52.43 | jimb0 | im looking at my Xorg.0.log |
| 22:52.44 | jimb0 | just so you know |
| 22:52.55 | gpm | like...38 G worth? |
| 22:52.56 | ootput | deadcat: i'd post mine, but it's the functionality that matters. you can't capture that with a screenshot. |
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| 22:53.05 | ootput | deadcat: ion3 btw |
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| 22:53.14 | jimb0 | and ive got a ton of errors: |
| 22:53.20 | jimb0 | all of them are basically the same |
| 22:53.21 | deadcat | ootput: link |
| 22:53.23 | jimb0 | : |
| 22:53.36 | deadcat | i am a wm cretic by the way |
| 22:53.43 | jimb0 | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card164 |
| 22:53.44 | jimb0 | for example |
| 22:53.51 | ootput | gpm: 126 + 17 + x = disk size (where x = journal) |
| 22:53.53 | jimb0 | a shit ton of lines with the drmOpenDevice errors |
| 22:53.55 | amphi | deadcat: 'cretic'? |
| 22:54.05 | deadcat | critic.. eat and type |
| 22:54.07 | odla | that doesn't change the time it just specifies the date |
| 22:54.09 | moshii | gpm: I'm not sure how the journal is worked into the total used/free space, but if you're sure you should have more space try fsck'in the fs |
| 22:54.14 | ootput | a creten of a critic |
| 22:54.30 | amphi | deadcat: I use the one at wmii.de ATM |
| 22:54.32 | moshii | jimb0: open drm shouldn't matter |
| 22:54.37 | ultraviolet16 | damn I just installed gnome on my laptop and what a mess it is |
| 22:54.48 | moshii | jimb0: you should have a section that clear shows what went wrong |
| 22:54.54 | ootput | metawire seems to be down |
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| 22:55.09 | ultraviolet16 | lspci says: unknown device to everything |
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| 22:55.53 | deadcat | amphi: ah.. personal screenshots? |
| 22:56.00 | moshii | ultraviolet16: buy an intel based laptop i.e intel chipset, intel graphics and stuff just works :) |
| 22:56.04 | ootput | deadcat: http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/ |
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| 22:56.33 | ootput | a tile-based wm, so don't expect too much eyecandy on window frames |
| 22:56.36 | deadcat | ootput: nice nice |
| 22:56.39 | nipplesrulz | ootput, yeah i can reproduce it all its only about 3 gigs |
| 22:57.12 | deadcat | ootput: haha out screen caption/hardstatus is almost the same (= |
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| 22:57.45 | ootput | :) |
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| 22:58.04 | nipplesrulz | do i need to explicitly use --links ? |
| 22:58.07 | gaasfet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.15 | ootput | nipplesrulz: no, -aH should take care of everything |
| 22:58.19 | nipplesrulz | ah |
| 22:58.27 | nipplesrulz | ok im gonna read that manual more... |
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| 22:59.09 | ootput | i'm not sure if backup ninja does local backups.. i'd recommend it if it did. |
| 22:59.18 | nipplesrulz | lol |
| 22:59.25 | ultraviolet16 | moshii: :_: |
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| 22:59.34 | nipplesrulz | ssh into my own machien hehe |
| 22:59.46 | ultraviolet16 | something with the ati chipset ain't workin' |
| 22:59.49 | ultraviolet16 | bah |
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| 23:00.39 | moshii | ultraviolet16: never really seen the point in having decent'ish graphics hardware in a laptop |
| 23:00.43 | amphi | deadcat: none, sorry - as you can imagine, they would not be interesting on the whole; floating layout is like any other wm, but without title bars, and tiled is just that, mostly xterms ;) |
| 23:00.47 | ootput | deadcat: what are you using? |
| 23:01.02 | deadcat | ootput: openbox |
| 23:01.07 | ootput | has wmii stabilized yet? |
| 23:01.13 | deadcat | amphi: true true true |
| 23:01.15 | amphi | deadcat: yeah, I used that before |
| 23:01.19 | ootput | i still play around with wmi whenever i get the chance |
| 23:01.49 | amphi | ootput: not so much; I'm using a snapshot - I haven't used the latest dev version |
| 23:01.51 | ultraviolet16 | moshii: a laptop is just a little computer that gets hot and has smaller pieces =) |
| 23:01.59 | deadcat | i just added xcompmgr with xorg for translucency like 2 days ago (= |
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| 23:02.14 | amphi | deadcat: is it astoundingly slow? |
| 23:02.26 | moshii | ultraviolet16: more powerful hardware == more heat, less battery time |
| 23:02.29 | ultraviolet16 | moshii: anyways, there's a problem with the widescreen resolutions |
| 23:02.31 | ootput | laptops make space-saving servers |
| 23:02.48 | deadcat | ootput: hahah. famply guy on one of the screenshot? hahahah me too |
| 23:03.05 | quitte | ootput: they even come with a ups by default |
| 23:03.09 | ootput | deadcat: that was my favorite part |
| 23:03.15 | deadcat | HAHAHHAH |
| 23:03.20 | nipplesrulz | deadcat, were u the one working on the xbox linux the other day ? |
| 23:03.30 | ultraviolet16 | not sure what to do first.. haha |
| 23:03.35 | ultraviolet16 | so many issues. |
| 23:03.36 | deadcat | nipplesrulz: nope. i dont own one |
| 23:03.41 | nipplesrulz | ah lol sorry |
| 23:03.55 | ultraviolet16 | I think i'll try installing ati drivers first. |
| 23:03.57 | deadcat | nipplesrulz: i was working on counter-strike though (= |
| 23:04.02 | nipplesrulz | nice :D |
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| 23:05.14 | nipplesrulz | ultraviolet16, exactly whats wrong over there? |
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| 23:05.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:05.17 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 23:08.10 | deadcat | ootput: you using the verbose-statusline right? i am looking at your config files right now |
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| 23:09.40 | nipplesrulz | arg |
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| 23:09.53 | nipplesrulz | i wonder why my backup is only 1.2 gigs when debian is 2.X installed |
| 23:09.55 | nipplesrulz | !_! |
| 23:09.56 | dpkg | _ is probably ALT-255 |
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| 23:12.06 | paperclip | hello? |
| 23:12.13 | blondie | o.O |
| 23:12.28 | paperclip | was having some trouble with this at first |
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| 23:12.43 | jimb0 | fuck it, im probably just gonna go for a clean debian install |
| 23:12.47 | paperclip | well i guess that answers my question |
| 23:12.55 | jimb0 | i forgot to mention i'm using kubuntu |
| 23:12.57 | paperclip | been there jumbo |
| 23:12.58 | thingfish | heh |
| 23:13.02 | jimb0 | but i figured i'd get shit from you guys if i said that |
| 23:13.13 | jimb0 | 'then why arent you in #kubuntu' |
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| 23:13.31 | paperclip | ha!...you should give me a cyber kick in the ass for that...*jimbo.... my apologies |
| 23:13.31 | ronin | jimb0: you dont like #kubuntu? it is after for your distro, you mean like that? |
| 23:13.33 | cr3 | why is it that on the xterm of one machine, double clicking on a url selects the whole url, whereas on the xterm of another machine, double clicking only selects the word between '/' characters for example |
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| 23:14.02 | jimb0 | is there a general sense of noobishness about kubuntu? |
| 23:14.04 | cr3 | in other words, how is the word delimiter when double clicking a word get defined. |
| 23:14.24 | benjamindees | krassy1809, are you still here? |
| 23:14.28 | ronin | jimb0: dont know we run debian not any of the clones |
| 23:14.29 | blondie | jimb0: there is about all KDE users :P |
| 23:14.29 | jimb0 | and i mean i am new |
| 23:14.34 | pipeline | jimb0: And you were right. Go check out #kubuntu. |
| 23:14.39 | krassy1809 | yes |
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| 23:14.48 | jimb0 | eh i figured you guys would be smarter |
| 23:14.51 | pipeline | jimb0: I don't know, and I don't care. Go check out #kubuntu. We do debian here. Hence the name: #debian. |
| 23:14.52 | jimb0 | i already tried #kubuntu |
| 23:15.00 | jimb0 | thanks pipeline |
| 23:15.04 | jimb0 | you're really fucking on top of things. |
| 23:15.06 | ABaer | Can anyone help me with Proftpd? I get the errormsg " 530 Login incorrect", but login/password is correct. I can't find any errors at the log: http://paste.debian.net/3879 What could this be? |
| 23:15.15 | deadcat | jimb0: too fucking bad |
| 23:15.17 | pipeline | jimb0: You betcha. Right here. Only thirty seconds behind. |
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| 23:15.32 | deadcat | jimb0: if they dont help. bitch at them. |
| 23:15.34 | Rekiem | Help me out. I just installed my Debian sid and I cannot start mi X. I got this message: GDM: X server not found: /usr/x11R6/bin/dx :0 -audith 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: command could not be executed Please install Xserver or edit /stc/gdm/gdm.con to point to the right plasce What do I need to change on gdm.con |
| 23:15.37 | Rekiem | ? |
| 23:15.38 | jimb0 | that's what i do |
| 23:15.48 | deadcat | jimb0: more bitching... |
| 23:15.52 | david[ | i don't have mysql_config, i am using debian, which package I must install ? |
| 23:15.54 | jimb0 | your point? |
| 23:16.00 | deadcat | no point |
| 23:16.07 | jimb0 | okay then |
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| 23:16.25 | ootput | deadcat: sorry? |
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| 23:16.30 | pipeline | Rekiem: Sure sounds like you just don't have the x-window-system packages installed... |
| 23:16.40 | deadcat | ootput: you using the verbose-statusline right? i am looking at your config files right now |
| 23:16.41 | nipplesrulz | ootput, the rsync backup is much smaller like 50% than whats on the drive currently.... it probably didnt really get everything huh |
| 23:16.50 | Rekiem | ok let me try reinstalling it with apt |
| 23:16.54 | paperclip | is it just me or does everything linksys makes..suck? |
| 23:16.58 | jimb0 | im gonna start fresh with a clean debian install and go with icewm or fluxbox... |
| 23:16.59 | ootput | deadcat: yeah |
| 23:17.01 | Rekiem | give me a sec |
| 23:17.01 | david[ | good evening |
| 23:17.03 | nipplesrulz | its just u paperclip |
| 23:17.06 | pipeline | paperclip: It's not just you. |
| 23:17.06 | ootput | deadcat: my .screen confs are split up though |
| 23:17.08 | jimb0 | paperclip: all low-end routers suck |
| 23:17.12 | jimb0 | its vendor independent |
| 23:17.13 | deadcat | ootput: i like your confs dir. you coded that? |
| 23:17.15 | paperclip | so is it me or not me? |
| 23:17.19 | jimb0 | it's not you |
| 23:17.22 | paperclip | i see |
| 23:17.23 | jimb0 | linksys = low end |
| 23:17.24 | nipplesrulz | it is so |
| 23:17.27 | deadcat | ootput: ya. too messy. i try to put it in 1 file (= |
| 23:17.28 | nipplesrulz | to a degree |
| 23:17.29 | nipplesrulz | >_> |
| 23:17.30 | paperclip | i run ta fusion simply mepis |
| 23:17.36 | nipplesrulz | but if you got 3k then its linksys |
| 23:17.38 | paperclip | have issues with a linksys router |
| 23:17.57 | jimb0 | that's life, you get what you pay for |
| 23:18.01 | paperclip | true |
| 23:18.02 | nipplesrulz | how much are you willing to spend on a router |
| 23:18.05 | benjamindees | krassy1809, okay I think this is done, lemme put it somewhere... |
| 23:18.07 | nipplesrulz | heh |
| 23:18.08 | paperclip | only i didnt pay for it |
| 23:18.10 | jimb0 | but might want to try wrt54g with 3rd party firmware |
| 23:18.16 | ronin | jimb0: not quite true, i paid $10 for my firewall |
| 23:18.18 | jimb0 | that's a winning combination |
| 23:18.20 | paperclip | its the wireless router at work |
| 23:18.23 | gpm | moshii: fsck'd, no errors or anything. but the numbers still don't add up. 126+17=143, but the drive capacity is 151, leaving 8gigs used for journalling...seems like an awful lot to me. is there some way i can get some (most) of that space back? |
| 23:18.23 | ootput | deadcat: my screen sessions are customized |
| 23:18.28 | pipeline | ronin: I paid nothing for my firewall :P |
| 23:18.34 | nipplesrulz | gpm, |
| 23:18.34 | deadcat | ootput: my time/date/clock is too long, but i kinna need those info hehe: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20051118_15623.png |
| 23:18.37 | ootput | deadcat: my s-t script launches the appropriate screensession |
| 23:18.40 | nipplesrulz | that drive capacity is pre format |
| 23:18.43 | ronin | pipeline: ran out of machines so i had to ebay |
| 23:18.45 | jimb0 | i'm not saying you won't ever buy a working product <$100, im just saying dont count on it to be 100% reliable |
| 23:18.47 | deadcat | ootput: true. |
| 23:18.47 | nipplesrulz | what filesys did you use? |
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| 23:18.51 | krassy1809 | What i heve to do |
| 23:19.16 | gpm | nipplesrulz: why does formatting use up 8 whole gigs? |
| 23:19.16 | paperclip | im just biased |
| 23:19.21 | paperclip | always hated linksys |
| 23:19.23 | benjamindees | krassy1809, get this file: www.deesconsulting.com/8139too.o |
| 23:19.33 | krassy1809 | ok |
| 23:19.35 | ootput | deadcat: hehe, too long |
| 23:19.35 | nipplesrulz | gpm you must have forgotten ntfs that takes about 7% |
| 23:19.38 | nipplesrulz | for NOTHING heh |
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| 23:19.42 | deadcat | ootput: ya.. hahaha way too long. |
| 23:19.45 | gpm | nipplesrulz: i'm using only ext3 |
| 23:19.50 | nipplesrulz | reiserfs uses a fixed amoutn for all of it |
| 23:19.53 | benjamindees | krassy1809, then use 'insmod 8139too.o' to load it (as root) |
| 23:20.00 | nipplesrulz | ext3 uses according to how big it is |
| 23:20.01 | ootput | i should really remove it though since i already have ion3 displaying the time. |
| 23:20.12 | nipplesrulz | let me check my big drive ive got |
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| 23:20.47 | jimb0 | again, it's not just linksys |
| 23:20.53 | gpm | nipplesrulz: argh...so annoying. which fs will eat up the minimum amount of space? i can understand the fs using a gig or two, but 8 is a lot. |
| 23:20.55 | jimb0 | belkin, linksys, dlink, netgear are all on the same level |
| 23:21.00 | jimb0 | its just pretty much luck of the draw |
| 23:21.06 | nipplesrulz | /dev/hdb1 151G 142G 9.3G 94% /media/hdb1 |
| 23:21.08 | humpi | whats a recommended X, i use to use gnome but it seemed a little excess |
| 23:21.15 | jimb0 | gnome = bleh |
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| 23:21.24 | ootput | deadcat: you've got some nice screenshots |
| 23:21.29 | jimb0 | but that's just my opinion. |
| 23:21.44 | gpm | nipplesrulz: see...your fs isn't eating up anything? |
| 23:21.46 | deadcat | ootput: they ok. i am not very artistic as you can see (= |
| 23:21.47 | ronin | jimb0: ya but you run kubuntu too ;) |
| 23:21.51 | nipplesrulz | /dev/hdb2 40G 18G 22G 46% /media/hdb2 |
| 23:21.53 | humpi | jimb0, whats your opinion for a better one? |
| 23:21.56 | gpm | /dev/hdb1 151G 126G 17G 89% /home/gpm/hdb |
| 23:21.58 | nipplesrulz | and then add that up and thats 200gig drive |
| 23:22.05 | chealer_ | humpi: GNOME isn't an X, it's a desktop environment |
| 23:22.12 | jimb0 | i think best deal on a home router is linksys wrt54g with 3rd party firmware |
| 23:22.14 | deadcat | ootput: although the 2nd to the last with all translucency is pretty cool though. |
| 23:22.15 | Doe | hello guys, is there a way to reconfigure php4 w/ curl support, php4 was installed w/ apt-get install, debian 3.1 |
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| 23:22.26 | paperclip | im sure really? |
| 23:22.27 | humpi | ok, then a desktop environment |
| 23:22.32 | paperclip | whoops |
| 23:22.36 | paperclip | i meant really? |
| 23:22.39 | paperclip | just the really? |
| 23:22.41 | paperclip | anyway |
| 23:22.47 | gpm | nipplesrulz: which partition is which fs? |
| 23:22.52 | ronin | humpi: the one you like and the one your hardware can handle |
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| 23:23.00 | nipplesrulz | i think both are fat32 actually heh |
| 23:23.07 | chealer_ | humpi: what did you mean by "GNOME seems a little excess"? |
| 23:23.20 | gpm | nipplesrulz: weird that one partition is so eaten up and one isn't hardly at all... |
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| 23:23.28 | ronin | humpi: look into ones like fluxbox if gnome and kde are too much |
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| 23:23.43 | nipplesrulz | gpm, one is like 157 gigs one is 43 on disk |
| 23:23.50 | nipplesrulz | or something like that |
| 23:23.56 | nipplesrulz | but formatted its like that |
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| 23:24.02 | humpi | chealer_ it just has too many stupid applications, games etc that you cant uninstall without faking things up |
| 23:24.04 | paperclip | *sigh* perhaps i should simply allow my 5 yr old to configure my wireless connection... |
| 23:24.07 | humpi | ok, thanks ronin |
| 23:24.10 | nipplesrulz | but your drive yeah i can see whats irking you the columns dont even add up |
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| 23:24.22 | kspath | humpi: ion3 openbox3 or if you have to fluxbox |
| 23:24.31 | gpm | nipplesrulz: exactly |
| 23:24.37 | nekostar | /dev/hdb 57G 45G 8.8G 84% /media/hdb <<-- my other box |
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| 23:24.58 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:insmod: error inserting '8139too.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 23:25.00 | nipplesrulz | see? same situation as yours |
| 23:25.06 | nipplesrulz | that one is ext3 |
| 23:25.07 | ootput | deadcat: only the e17 + pekwm screenshots are visually appealing |
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| 23:25.10 | gpm | wtf |
| 23:25.15 | gpm | the columns should add up |
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| 23:25.21 | nipplesrulz | it takes that drive formats it ext2 and then adds journaling |
| 23:25.35 | tapas | hi, how would i get a package that is listed here: |
| 23:25.35 | odla | anyone know how to change my time/date from a term? |
| 23:25.38 | tapas | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 23:25.39 | nipplesrulz | it leaves about 5% space so if you fill it full root can still log in |
| 23:25.42 | benjamindees | krassy1809, any more info? perhaps it wasn't done afterall... |
| 23:25.48 | deadcat | ootput: heheh. actually i like to look at people's terminal settings too. link fonts, colors, screen, prompt |
| 23:25.54 | nipplesrulz | cant lock up machine or something like that as is my understanding |
| 23:25.59 | gpm | so...the journalling is eating the 8 gigs that are missing from my columns? |
| 23:26.04 | nipplesrulz | yup |
| 23:26.17 | benjamindees | krassy1809, what does uname -r say? |
| 23:26.17 | gpm | that's ridiculous....it shouldn't need THAT much |
| 23:26.19 | nipplesrulz | whats 5% of the rated volume in true gigs |
| 23:26.23 | nipplesrulz | then set it to take less |
| 23:26.33 | gpm | nipplesrulz: how? |
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| 23:26.35 | nipplesrulz | you have to reformat though |
| 23:26.40 | nipplesrulz | let me find it again gimme a bit ok? |
| 23:26.46 | gpm | np |
| 23:26.47 | gpm | thanks |
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| 23:26.50 | deadcat | ootput: did you write the code for your confs/ dir? |
| 23:26.52 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:2.6.8 |
| 23:26.52 | gpm | how much is the set amount that reiserfs eats up? |
| 23:26.58 | Doe | hello guys, is there a way to reconfigure php4 w/ curl support, php4 was installed w/ apt-get install, debian 3.1 |
| 23:27.02 | ultraviolet16 | can someone lead me to a good how-to to install ati radeon drivers on a debian laptop? |
| 23:27.04 | chealer_ | tapas: you wouldn't. which package do you want? |
| 23:27.08 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:do you have icq ? |
| 23:27.26 | gpm | btw, 5% of my capacity is roughly 8 in true gigs...7.55 |
| 23:27.28 | benjamindees | krassy1809, perhaps you missed it earlier but you have to be using the latest 386 2.6.8 debian kernel |
| 23:27.28 | chealer_ | humpi: the only desktop environment lighter than gnome I know is XFCE |
| 23:27.33 | gpm | so that makes sense at least |
| 23:27.47 | benjamindees | krassy1809, no |
| 23:28.34 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:if you want i can give you my root pass and start ssh deamon ? |
| 23:28.52 | tapas | chealer_: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
| 23:28.55 | tapas | :) |
| 23:29.06 | benjamindees | krassy1809, no that's okay, but lemme give you a command to tell what kernel you have... |
| 23:29.29 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:ok |
| 23:29.32 | david[ | i don't have mysql_config, which package I must install ? |
| 23:29.38 | david[ | please help me |
| 23:29.39 | benjamindees | krassy1809, dpkg-query -W kernel-image-2.6.8* |
| 23:29.45 | chealer_ | tapas: ok. I don't know what to suggest you |
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| 23:30.01 | nlindblad | hello |
| 23:30.01 | paperclip | by some long shot....is there anyone else running tafusion here? |
| 23:30.18 | bbrazil | david[: apt-file |
| 23:30.19 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:say kernel-image-2.6.8 custom268patched |
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| 23:30.31 | bbrazil | david[: as in apt-file will tell you the package name |
| 23:30.33 | jonkri | may i recommend a new swedish slashdot-alike news forum or would that be illegal advertising? it's not-for-profit entities behind it :-) |
| 23:30.37 | nlindblad | I need to know how the progressbar is managed during the debian installation |
| 23:30.42 | nlindblad | IIRC it uses whiptail |
| 23:30.50 | chealer_ | david[: I'm not sure that any package provides that |
| 23:31.05 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, it's debconf, IIRC |
| 23:31.05 | tapas | chealer_: too bad.. |
| 23:31.06 | bbrazil | david[: at a guess mysql-client |
| 23:31.10 | paperclip | well, im on my way to find one.... |
| 23:31.17 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, why? |
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| 23:31.37 | nipplesrulz | i think its in the tune2fs command bit more time there gpm |
| 23:31.38 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: for a script |
| 23:31.45 | Sebbecking | /quit |
| 23:31.56 | humpi | XFCE, thats what it was, thanks chealer_ |
| 23:31.59 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: does debconf use wget/curl for fetching? |
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| 23:32.04 | gpm | nipplesrulz: well i can check out the man page |
| 23:32.04 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:if you want i can reboot with original debian 2.6.8 kernel ? |
| 23:32.05 | tonsofpcs | Anyone know if any newer kernels can support the Broadcom wireless cards (specifically dell truemobile 1350) without ndiswrapper or other driver translation layer? |
| 23:32.08 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: during the installation |
| 23:32.09 | gpm | nipplesrulz: i'm not a total luser |
| 23:32.19 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, the debian installer is basically a collection of scripts |
| 23:32.24 | david[ | apt-file search mysql_config return nothing ! |
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| 23:32.47 | moshii | ultraviolet16: |
| 23:32.55 | moshii | didn't mean to do that, sorry |
| 23:32.56 | benjamindees | krassy1809, I don't suppose you can get the updated one without a network card... |
| 23:32.57 | tzafrir_laptop | much of the user interaction is through debconf dialongs |
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| 23:33.12 | benjamindees | krassy1809, yeah the original might work actually |
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| 23:33.24 | sched | mysql_config? is not my.cfg? |
| 23:33.35 | moshii | is there anything like screen that doesn't go insane with UTF? |
| 23:33.39 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:ok i will reboot now |
| 23:33.40 | odla | how do i apply a patch? |
| 23:33.47 | chealer_ | tonsofpcs: unlikely. Broadcom==evil. you want the wireless chipset |
| 23:33.52 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: but somehow those dialogs can measure the progress of a download, that's what I'm interested in |
| 23:33.55 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, a script to run inside the installer? at install time after boot? or on a standard installed system? |
| 23:34.04 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:and join the chat again |
| 23:34.09 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:ok ? |
| 23:34.10 | streuner | odla: /msg dpkg patch |
| 23:34.11 | amphi | odla: with patch(1) |
| 23:34.13 | tonsofpcs | chealer_ - what do you mean? |
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| 23:34.20 | david[ | ouf ! libmysqlclient14-dev: usr/bin/mysql_config |
| 23:34.29 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, IIRC files are fetched with wget. But I'm not sure. |
| 23:34.46 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: but the Debian installer shows the progress of the download |
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| 23:34.57 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: I want to do that too |
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| 23:35.06 | amphi | odla: if you're taliking about patching kernel src, the README in the top level kernel src directory explains how to do it |
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| 23:35.19 | benjamindees | krassy1809, sure |
| 23:35.21 | odla | no...i'm talking about adding a .patch file to icewm |
| 23:35.27 | sjaakz0r | hej guys, is there a program/command to send a hex code via a com (serial) port? |
| 23:35.42 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, when that progress bar runs, press ctrl-S so things would freeze, press ctrl-alt-F2 and switch to the shell |
| 23:35.47 | chealer_ | tonsofpcs: google is your best friend for information about wireless support. you need to google the wireless chipset, not the card name or something |
| 23:35.56 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: thanks, will try that |
| 23:35.59 | tzafrir_laptop | ps there is rather limited (e.g: no -f ) |
| 23:36.15 | tzafrir_laptop | but its a start. And there aren't too many processes |
| 23:36.51 | tzafrir_laptop | sjaakz0r, have you tried dd? |
| 23:37.15 | tzafrir_laptop | or the usual cat file >/dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:37.22 | amphi | tonsofpcs: I forget the url, but if you google for "linux wireless" in the hp.com domain, you'll find a good page |
| 23:37.26 | maelztrom | Hey all, I'm working on finalizing last of an install and still learning a bit...is there a way to grab a single package from unstable without having to modify my sources list to always look there? |
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| 23:37.50 | ootput | deadcat: a large part of it :) |
| 23:37.54 | chealer_ | maelztrom: yes, just download a .deb |
| 23:38.01 | tzafrir_laptop | maelztrom, install it manually with dpkg |
| 23:38.12 | deadcat | ootput: nice... |
| 23:38.14 | tzafrir_laptop | assuming there are no dependencies |
| 23:38.17 | maelztrom | But no arguments I can pass into apt-get? |
| 23:38.42 | amphi | odla: have a look at the paths to the files to patch in the .patch file, and invoke patch with the apropriate -pnum argument |
| 23:38.44 | tzafrir_laptop | don't go through apt-get |
| 23:39.00 | tzafrir_laptop | That's the really simple way. If it actually works |
| 23:39.10 | maelztrom | Okay. I'll take your word on faith of...being in this channel where I ask for help :) Can you explain why I wouldn't use apt though? |
| 23:39.37 | tzafrir_laptop | because you asked specifically not to modufy its sources |
| 23:39.54 | maelztrom | Okay |
| 23:39.58 | nipplesrulz | gpm, found it |
| 23:40.03 | tzafrir_laptop | Without having unstable in its sources, apt can't get packages from there |
| 23:40.10 | nipplesrulz | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mke2fs.8.html http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/tune2fs.8.html |
| 23:40.12 | maelztrom | I figured that might have been an undocumented flag or some such for such things |
| 23:40.13 | nipplesrulz | :) |
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| 23:40.16 | tzafrir_laptop | OTOH, apt knows of all the locally installed packages |
| 23:40.32 | gpm | nipplesrulz: thanks! |
| 23:40.37 | maelztrom | Exactly why I was hoping to use it...but I obviously dont' want my system searching...unstable every time |
| 23:40.38 | nipplesrulz | o.o |
| 23:40.46 | tzafrir_laptop | maelztrom, yes: apt-get install -f # if there is a dependency problem afterall |
| 23:41.17 | maelztrom | thank you |
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| 23:41.26 | nipplesrulz | lol |
| 23:41.28 | pinucset | how can i play divx and mp3 at debian please? |
| 23:41.31 | nipplesrulz | wb gpm |
| 23:41.37 | nlindblad | tzafrir_laptop: after I'v made it freeze and I've entered the shell, how do I look it up? |
| 23:41.44 | gpm | danke |
| 23:41.48 | nipplesrulz | !w32codecs |
| 23:41.49 | dpkg | hmm... w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 23:42.01 | gpm | going to leave again :( |
| 23:42.02 | tzafrir_laptop | nlindblad, now you have all of those processes running |
| 23:42.04 | tonsofpcs | chealer_ - yea, it's the standard broadcom wireless, BCM4301... |
| 23:42.13 | tzafrir_laptop | You can try to figure out what they do |
| 23:42.30 | tzafrir_laptop | At least some of them are scripts. Look at the last processes in the list of ps |
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| 23:43.12 | chealer_ | tonsofpcs: ok. I have no idea about that chip (except that there are 99% of chances that it won't be supported being from Broadcom), but that's what you should google about |
| 23:43.44 | tzafrir_laptop | nipplesrulz, BTW: I'm not that very well familiar with the d-i . Maybe this is better documented somewhere. |
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| 23:43.53 | Rekiem | how do I install ncurses¿ |
| 23:43.58 | Rekiem | ? |
| 23:44.07 | nipplesrulz | you just need basic codecs and its rather easy |
| 23:44.09 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:i am back again |
| 23:44.10 | FliesLikeABrick | Rekiem apt-get install libncurses5 |
| 23:44.18 | Rekiem | thanks Filbert |
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| 23:44.24 | benjamindees | krassy1809, you can try this file too if that doesn't work: www.deesconsulting.com/8139too.ko |
| 23:44.26 | tzafrir_laptop | debconf docs start from the man page debconf-devel in the package debconf-doc |
| 23:44.30 | Rekiem | Ops FliesLikeABrick |
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| 23:44.34 | nipplesrulz | add contrib and non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the marillat source and install away |
| 23:44.41 | FliesLikeABrick | i've got a server that keeps crashing after a couple hours, this is the last page of output that shows up on tty1: http://ww2.u13.net/damnit.jpg |
| 23:44.51 | tzafrir_laptop | nipplesrulz, is there any wget/curl running there? |
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| 23:45.05 | nipplesrulz | did you already get the debian in?? |
| 23:45.10 | FifaFrazer | how can i detect my current runlevel in debian ? |
| 23:45.13 | benjamindees | krassy1809, in fact I'd try the .ko file first |
| 23:45.22 | Xenguy | FifaFrazer: runlevel |
| 23:45.23 | deadcat | FifaFrazer: runlevel ? |
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| 23:45.31 | Doe | is there a way to reconfigure php4 w/ curl support, php4 was installed w/ apt-get install, debian 3.1 |
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| 23:45.32 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:i am not pure root login - i run SU command in konsole - is that problem for this operation ? |
| 23:45.46 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 23:45.47 | benjamindees | krassy1809, not at all a problem... |
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| 23:46.05 | benjamindees | krassy1809, insmod ./8139too.ko |
| 23:46.08 | tzafrir_laptop | Doe, php4-curl ? |
| 23:46.25 | FifaFrazer | thx guys |
| 23:46.47 | ttl- | i'm trying to create a dvd with a simple menu, which tools should i use to create the menu |
| 23:47.00 | Doe | lol sweet |
| 23:47.07 | huhlig | hey... does anyone know a tty logger that can do 4800 baud |
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| 23:47.26 | Doe | thanks, i thought maybe i needed to recompile somehow (./configure) |
| 23:47.27 | huhlig | ttylog for somereason glances over 4800 baud |
| 23:47.50 | dondelelcaro | FliesLikeABrick: looks like a kernel bug in one of the journaling filesystems |
| 23:48.06 | aredhel | ttl-, dvdauthor and gimp |
| 23:48.07 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah, thats what i thought |
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| 23:48.49 | ttl- | i found a few pages the say i need ppmtoy4m |
| 23:48.50 | dondelelcaro | FliesLikeABrick: it's possible that the journal is corrupted in a rather interesting way; try fscking the drive to see if that will help. |
| 23:48.51 | sjaakz0r | how can I send hex via cat to com port |
| 23:48.57 | Eulex | benjamindees, why not just modprobe 8139too.ko? and why did you tell him to get that 8139too.o file and put on his system? |
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| 23:49.20 | benjamindees | Eulex, he has an unrecognized card |
| 23:49.28 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:i can not download this file 8139too.ko |
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| 23:49.52 | benjamindees | krassy1809, wget http://www.deesconsulting.com/8139too.ko |
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| 23:50.34 | ttl- | mjpegtools is not in debian ? |
| 23:50.50 | usn | hi folx |
| 23:51.18 | tarzeau | ttl-: i think so |
| 23:51.19 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:the konqueror do not give me save as hi open file in a window |
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| 23:51.28 | Eulex | benjamindees, ok. why would that file fix it? |
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| 23:51.48 | amphi | ttl-: is here (sarge) |
| 23:52.03 | ttl- | i used gimp to make a background, button_highlight and button_select |
| 23:52.13 | benjamindees | Eulex, because it contains special magic... |
| 23:52.38 | benjamindees | Eulex, why are you asking me questions? |
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| 23:53.06 | ttl- | amphi: i'm runnig etch |
| 23:53.39 | ttl- | running* |
| 23:54.15 | sjaakz0r | is there any standard program like the windows hyperterminal to communicate with ttys0 |
| 23:54.38 | huhlig | anyone know? |
| 23:54.39 | amphi | sjaakz0r: minicom? |
| 23:54.39 | ttl- | minicom |
| 23:54.49 | kreg_work | what are the modutils i need to apt-get to get 2.6 ready? |
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| 23:54.59 | huhlig | I tried |
| 23:55.02 | kreg_work | i got the 2.6 kernel installed and running, but i need a 2.6 ready tools |
| 23:55.09 | huhlig | how do you make minicom go online |
| 23:55.17 | pepo_ | hi friends.. |
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| 23:55.33 | benjamindees | krassy1809, http://www.deesconsulting.com/temp/ |
| 23:55.52 | chealer_ | kreg_work: if you installed it, you already have them |
| 23:56.03 | Eulex | benjamindees, because I found the suggestions you gave him strange. now I've got it in context, and it doesn't seem so strange any more. |
| 23:56.04 | beardy | huhlig: If with a modem, dial somewhere. |
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| 23:56.19 | kreg_work | chealer_, hmm, looked like it was the old modprob still acroding to the man page |
| 23:56.30 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:download complete |
| 23:56.41 | kreg_work | chealer_, is there a way to doublecheck? |
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| 23:57.01 | chealer_ | kreg_work: is module-init-tools installed? |
| 23:57.06 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:insmod ./8139too.ko say:insmod: error inserting './8139too.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 23:57.07 | pepo_ | do someone can play doom3 in linux? |
| 23:57.10 | pepo_ | please, I cant hear anything, how do I fix the sound in doom3 using Sarge? |
| 23:57.13 | benjamindees | Eulex, no problem I'm just giving you crap... |
| 23:57.27 | kreg_work | chealer_, yes |
| 23:57.28 | chealer_ | pepo_: which desktop environment do you use? |
| 23:57.50 | pepo_ | I am using KDE |
| 23:57.52 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:how was the commant to verify kernel version |
| 23:57.59 | benjamindees | krassy1809, what does uname -a say? |
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| 23:58.02 | kreg_work | i see a modules.conf, but i don't see a modprobe.conf ? |
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| 23:58.10 | benjamindees | krassy1809, does insmod say anything else? |
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| 23:58.45 | chealer_ | pepo_: you probably want to wrap doom in artsdsp |
| 23:59.00 | krassy1809 | benjamindees:uname -a say :Linux Yoda 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:59.03 | odla | tarzeau: have you played b-n-b lately? |
| 23:59.04 | pepo_ | how do I do that ? |
| 23:59.10 | tarzeau | odla: not for weeks! |
| 23:59.18 | odla | wow |
| 23:59.19 | tarzeau | odla: and not so for a few more weeks... |
| 23:59.21 | odla | me neither |
| 23:59.22 | kreg_work | chealer_, at least, i thought it was supposed to be modprobe.conf |
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| 23:59.33 | tarzeau | but i'm playing nethack right now, telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 23:59.43 | benjamindees | krassy1809, ugh, do you have a 386 kernel? |
| 23:59.54 | huhlig | beardy no Im trying to monitor a GPS device |
