| 00:00.06 | ambrose | Alexandar_, it will just give you a new kernel. You might have some device driver (aka kernel module) troubles to get past, but it won't affect your desktop or anything |
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| 00:00.55 | Alexandar_ | ok, =] i think i need the new one for ndiswrapper also since my dongle isnt supported by linux-wlan-ng afaik |
| 00:01.57 | Menoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.10 | Menoz | HELP |
| 00:02.21 | Alexandar_ | !tell Menoz about ask |
| 00:02.40 | Alexandar_ | >.> |
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| 00:03.23 | Alexandar_ | can it tell people about typing in capitals too? |
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| 00:04.13 | Alexandar_ | Apparantly its done, do i not need to reboot or anything? |
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| 00:04.55 | KerPlunk | Alexandar_: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:05.16 | Alexandar_ | ok |
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| 00:05.19 | ambrose | Alexandar_, first check your boot loader to see if it knows about the new kernel |
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| 00:05.34 | Alexandar_ | yeah says it told grub about it |
| 00:05.43 | Pupeno | How can you know if a computer to which you ssh is inside an UML or not ? |
| 00:05.48 | KerPlunk | Alexandar_: All you have to do is "/msg dpkg capslock is please do no use caps lock because it makes it difficult for people to read your text and help you", then !tell KerPlunk about capslock |
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| 00:05.56 | ambrose | Alexandar_, if you're using grub, look in /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if default refers to the appropriate stanza |
| 00:06.05 | Tarantulafudge | How do I get ibm extended ascii? |
| 00:06.06 | ambrose | Alexandar_, I prefer to look first :-) |
| 00:06.08 | Alexandar_ | i'l check its still got the old ones listed |
| 00:06.15 | Alexandar_ | yeah |
| 00:06.21 | bbrazil | raden: as in manually typing iptables commands |
| 00:06.27 | ambrose | Alexandar_, also (what just recently bit me) check that the root file system is correct |
| 00:06.51 | KerPlunk | Alexandar_: You can use "capital letters" instead, or just change the current one. |
| 00:06.53 | raden | bbrazil, as in getting FTP to work in passive mode |
| 00:06.54 | ambrose | Alexandar_ - once all is ok, go ahead and reboot.... and good luck - oh, make sure the old booting kernel is also still in menu.lst :-) |
| 00:07.15 | Tarantulafudge | hello? |
| 00:07.18 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: what is that ? |
| 00:07.23 | KerPlunk | !greet Tarantulafudge |
| 00:07.23 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Tarantulafudge |
| 00:07.43 | KerPlunk | !tell Tarantulafudge about ask |
| 00:07.46 | vyrus001 | does anybody have experiance with the zd1211 drivers on debian? ive compiled, installed, and modprobed the driver sucsessfuly but the computer does not seem to link the 2 togeather (the system sees the usb lan card but it dosnt kick the driver into gear and the hardware just sits there) |
| 00:07.52 | Alexandar_ | yeah, got 2.6 as default , then 2.6 rec , 2.4 , 2.4 rec, and then hex pee |
| 00:07.55 | bbrazil | raden: how are you currently using iptables? |
| 00:08.01 | Tarantulafudge | Pupeno: I did ask |
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| 00:08.06 | Tarantulafudge | how do I get ibm ascii |
| 00:08.16 | KerPlunk | !tell Tarantulafudge about repeat |
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| 00:08.16 | ambrose | Alexandar_: "hex pee"? |
| 00:08.22 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: I asked you, what is that?, that is "ibm ascii". |
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| 00:08.32 | Alexandar_ | XP ^.< |
| 00:08.33 | Tarantulafudge | people log off and on |
| 00:08.47 | ambrose | Alexandar_, heh. sympathies ;-) |
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| 00:08.54 | Alexandar_ | brb |
| 00:09.01 | Alexandar_ | thanks for the help =] |
| 00:09.08 | bbrazil | Pupeno: ascii, as distinct from ebcdic. I *think* ibm ascii has \r\n newlines |
| 00:09.13 | ambrose | Alexandar_, yw |
| 00:09.15 | Tarantulafudge | Pupeno: i think its a dos thing, I need it for a BBS |
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| 00:09.31 | quitte_ | vyrus001: try ifconfig -a. id there a network device to configure now? |
| 00:09.47 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge, bbrazil: ending lines with \r\n is still ascii. |
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| 00:10.01 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: do you know how to get (non-ibm) ASCII ? |
| 00:10.02 | vyrus001 | quitte_: not a new one no |
| 00:10.21 | Tarantulafudge | Pupeno: yea but theres extra chars used for framework |
| 00:10.22 | bbrazil | Pupeno: dos2unix, or recode |
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| 00:10.38 | vyrus001 | quitte_: i have a mini pci wifi card and a lan card in my lappy alredy as well as a vpn connection but i do not see the one i just pluged in |
| 00:10.43 | Pupeno | bbrazil: yes, I know. |
| 00:10.53 | quitte_ | vyrus001: and none of them disappears when you unplug that usb thing? |
| 00:11.09 | vyrus001 | quitte_: no |
| 00:11.35 | bbrazil | ah, I've mixed up the questioner and questionee |
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| 00:12.19 | strider | where do i get the nautilus open terminal extension from? couldn't find it in the Sid repos |
| 00:12.47 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: how do you get ascii ? |
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| 00:13.36 | Tarantulafudge | Pupeno: im not sure how it works, its just called ibm extended asci on bbs |
| 00:13.58 | KerPlunk | strider: I bet you get that from the nautilus homepage. |
| 00:14.14 | quitte_ | vyrus001: did you use the debian packages? |
| 00:14.38 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: oh, ok. Then what you need to get is an editor that opens such a file, if what you want to do is open it and read it. |
| 00:14.45 | Xeno^ | Once phpmyadmin is installed ( in /var/www ) how in hell do you access it :/ I have Apache installed and just putting in the IP brings back the default Apache page. Which is in /var/www/Apache2-default/index.html .. whereas phpmyadmin is in /var/www/phpmyadmin ( cant access via browser?? or am I missing a shell cmd line ? |
| 00:14.55 | vyrus001 | quitte_: there is only a deb pack for the source... so if you count that then yes |
| 00:15.25 | quitte_ | vyrus001: there should be one for the firmware too. i guess you didnt install firmware then |
| 00:15.36 | vyrus001 | ahh |
| 00:15.41 | vyrus001 | that could be the problem |
| 00:15.48 | ambrose | Tarantulafudge, did you try typing "linux ibm extended ascii" into google? |
| 00:15.54 | vyrus001 | quitte_: ill give that a shot |
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| 00:16.07 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: Kate and Kwrite can use at least one charset/encoding labeled ibm. |
| 00:16.40 | Alexxx | well it fixed the HAL thing but i got a few fatal error's and xfce / xfdesktop is having a slight fit |
| 00:16.42 | Tarantulafudge | I need to use telnet with this |
| 00:16.42 | Pupeno | Tarantulafudge: I bet emacs can as well. |
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| 00:18.17 | Tarantulafudge | i can't believe it but i almost miss windows |
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| 00:18.32 | agutierr | hello all. Someone knows how I can permit nfs-service to a group of mac address ? thanks. |
| 00:18.39 | Tarantulafudge | its DOS |
| 00:18.52 | strider | KerPlunk: yes, it seems that there is no deb for it. Googled and got a script. will check it out. Thanks |
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| 00:20.02 | marccd | how can I see the files of a package with apt? |
| 00:20.37 | liable | marccd: is it installed? |
| 00:20.44 | marccd | liable: no |
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| 00:21.09 | marccd | liable: how can I do with dpkg then? and how cabn I donwload only not install with apt? |
| 00:21.55 | liable | marccd: apt-get -d to just download and not install. |
| 00:22.14 | vyrus001 | quitte_: that did it ... thanx man ;) |
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| 00:22.37 | Alexandar_ | http://pastebin.com/518308 , A) whats the ticks thing about o.O B) i cant see the fatal messages on there |
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| 00:23.10 | krummie | what does apt-get distupgrade do? |
| 00:23.57 | strider | krummie: an agressive update |
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| 00:24.04 | cheal | krummie: man apt-get |
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| 00:24.11 | krummie | I have debian sarge stable and I changed the sources.list to testing. No whenever I run apt-get update it's getting updated and when I run apt-get upgrade .. it tries to upgrade over 280 packages. Don't I need to dist-upgrade ? |
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| 00:24.16 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:24.35 | cheal | krummie: normally, yes |
| 00:24.37 | Alexandar_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:25.10 | krummie | cheal what difference would it make between upgrade and distupgrade>? |
| 00:25.24 | ambrose | Alexandar_, the thing booted, but didn't run X? |
| 00:25.33 | cheal | krummie: man apt-get |
| 00:25.33 | Alexandar_ | runs X |
| 00:26.02 | strider | krummie: man apt-get will explain. It's for better dependency handing etc |
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| 00:26.14 | Alexandar_ | just having a few issues with xfce's backdrop's i'l change it then it will revert to one from the list that i dont want |
| 00:26.35 | Alexandar_ | and ACPI / APM seems borked |
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| 00:26.38 | johhny_b | i am looking for a ssh guru who can help me |
| 00:26.47 | johhny_b | i am using keychain but the application is still asking me for a password, how do i make it not ask for passwords? |
| 00:26.54 | harm1988 | who can help me set up ISPconfig? |
| 00:27.24 | krummie | okay thanks |
| 00:27.25 | Alexandar_ | @ johhny_b that's terribly insecure =x |
| 00:27.26 | krummie | reading.. |
| 00:27.32 | Xeno^ | Once phpmyadmin is installed ( in /var/www ) how in hell do you access it :/ I have Apache installed and just putting in the IP brings back the default Apache page. Which is in /var/www/Apache2-default/index.html .. whereas phpmyadmin is in /var/www/phpmyadmin ( cant access via browser?? or am I missing a shell cmd line ? |
| 00:27.39 | ambrose | Alexandar_, maybe you need to compile a custom kernel? If stock 2.4 isn't behaving, and stock 2.6 isn't behaving, that would suggest you should do a custom compile |
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| 00:27.51 | Alexandar_ | eek |
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| 00:28.04 | Alexandar_ | 2.4 was okish just HAL wasnt working |
| 00:28.06 | liable | johhny_b: you mean so it only uses keys to auth? |
| 00:28.14 | cheal | Xeno^: did you try http://host/phpmyadmin/ ? |
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| 00:28.18 | ambrose | Alexandar_, or just live with the warnings |
| 00:28.19 | johhny_b | liable: yes sir |
| 00:28.22 | Xeno^ | yup page not found |
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| 00:28.31 | Alexandar_ | but the fatal things? |
| 00:28.35 | Xeno^ | no wait |
| 00:28.37 | liable | johhny_b: set challengeresponse in the .conf to no |
| 00:28.46 | Xeno^ | http://host/phpmyadmin/index.php <- trying now |
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| 00:28.53 | Daveman | peterS, you around? |
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| 00:29.00 | marccd | where does apt download files? |
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| 00:29.01 | ambrose | Alexandar_, what fatal things? Your system works enough for you to irc? |
| 00:29.02 | liable | johhny_b: aslo password auth |
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| 00:29.06 | johhny_b | liable: it is allready |
| 00:29.08 | gravity | marccd: /var/cache/apt |
| 00:29.10 | johhny_b | liable: huh? |
| 00:29.11 | juancho111 | Hello |
| 00:29.12 | marccd | thanks gravity |
| 00:29.25 | Alexandar_ | err i spotted FATAL: about 3 times =x |
| 00:29.38 | juancho111 | I need some help.... |
| 00:29.45 | Xeno^ | cheal: im using mozilla, it doesn't open the php file, it just tries to download it, im guessing that means ive not setup php right? :/ |
| 00:29.55 | cheal | Xeno^: yes |
| 00:30.03 | juancho111 | Some programs tell me that i don't have gtk installed, but i do have it |
| 00:30.08 | liable | johhny_b: did you restart it? |
| 00:30.12 | Xeno^ | bugger :P thanks anyway :) |
| 00:30.15 | Alexandar_ | and ACPI / APM isnt working >.> anything i need to do, like err dpkg-reconfigure world? |
| 00:30.26 | harm1988 | how do i download a file while being in shell? |
| 00:30.35 | liable | harm1988: wget |
| 00:30.37 | alien3456 | anyone know how to keep the fluxbox menu in sync with the debian packages? It would do it fine when I wasn't using testing/unstable packages... |
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| 00:30.44 | Alexandar_ | wget http://domian.tld/file.ext |
| 00:30.45 | harm1988 | wget url? |
| 00:31.03 | juancho111 | No help? |
| 00:31.04 | ambrose | Alexandar_, I don't see any FATAL's in the pastebin (except where you're greping for it and not finding it) |
| 00:31.12 | KerPlunk | alien3456: maybe someone from #fluxbox knows |
| 00:31.21 | alien3456 | hrm, okie, what server |
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| 00:31.29 | alien3456 | irc.debian.org? |
| 00:31.31 | Alexandar_ | aye i was miffed by that too =p |
| 00:31.34 | juancho111 | Some programs tell me that i don't have gtk installed, but i do have it... what can i do??? |
| 00:31.36 | KerPlunk | alien3456: I use fluxbox/testing and my menu is in sync |
| 00:31.52 | KerPlunk | alien3456: where you are now, this network is called "Freenode" |
| 00:31.57 | jingle | I am trying to use ndiswrapper to run my wireless card and after #modprobe ndiswrapper I get an error "can't locate module ndiswrapper |
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| 00:32.06 | wobbler | alien3456: update-menus wrks for me |
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| 00:32.14 | alien3456 | i tried update-menus |
| 00:32.14 | Alexandar_ | err anyway to get to a blank terminal , like the one before gdm loads? |
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| 00:32.23 | agutierr | hello all. Someone knows how I can permit nfs-service to a group of mac address ? thanks. |
| 00:32.24 | amphi | jingle: it appears not to be installed |
| 00:32.31 | wobbler | alien3456: as root? |
| 00:32.37 | KerPlunk | Alexandar_: maybe try to "reconfigure" fluxbox or restart if you want. |
| 00:32.39 | johhny_b | liable: restart what? |
| 00:32.42 | alien3456 | mmm hmm |
| 00:32.43 | liable | Alexandar_: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 00:32.47 | liable | johhny_b: sshd |
| 00:32.48 | Xeno^ | hmm, I have used 'apt-get install php4' I take it theres more configuring than I thought :( |
| 00:32.57 | alien3456 | i haven't restarted since i installed debian today though |
| 00:33.02 | alien3456 | i'll try that in a bit |
| 00:33.25 | jingle | amphi: also with lspci it whows up as an "unknown device" |
| 00:33.30 | johhny_b | liable: yes |
| 00:33.33 | harm1988 | haha wget is awsome :D |
| 00:33.38 | harm1988 | i love that arrow thing |
| 00:33.40 | johhny_b | liable: iam using keychain |
| 00:33.58 | KerPlunk | alien3456: Then menu is silly anyway... if you're going to use fluxbox you might as well take advantage of keys |
| 00:34.02 | Alexandar | err , cant scroll up =x, how do i get back into the gui? ^_^ |
| 00:34.25 | gnufan | agutierr: there is some firewall stuff to permit restrictions on MAC address I believe - but can you not fix IP address to MAC address, serve NFS by IP, and then just install one of those ARP restriction things... |
| 00:34.40 | amphi | jingle: great |
| 00:34.42 | alien3456 | KerPlunk: I mostly need it just so I know whether I have a certain package, instead of going into aptitude, synaptic etc... |
| 00:34.44 | juancho111 | Can anybody help me, please? |
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| 00:35.01 | alien3456 | juancho111: maybe it's not gtk2? |
| 00:35.06 | alien3456 | or gtk1 if they use that |
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| 00:35.15 | Alexandar | liable, how would i gety back into the gui? |
| 00:35.16 | liable | johhny_b: paste your sshd conf to paster |
| 00:35.26 | liable | Alexandar: alt+F7 |
| 00:35.27 | juancho111 | well, in theory it's gtk2, and thats what i need |
| 00:35.30 | Alexandar | ah ok thanks =] |
| 00:35.32 | KerPlunk | alien3456: dpkg -al|grep -i package |
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| 00:35.39 | juancho111 | But anyways, where could i download the binaries of gtk2? |
| 00:35.39 | amphi | juancho111: what programs tell you this? |
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| 00:35.47 | juancho111 | Cedega |
| 00:35.58 | alien3456 | apt-get install gtk2 i believe |
| 00:35.59 | Alexandar_ | hmmpf |
| 00:36.27 | amphi | juancho111: or install the useful gimp, that'll pull in all the gtk2 crap for you ;) |
| 00:36.31 | wobbler | alien3456: whereis works good too! |
| 00:36.38 | juancho111 | gimp? |
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| 00:36.50 | juancho111 | It's installed by default |
| 00:36.57 | alien3456 | hmm, thanks for the commands wobbler and KerPlunk |
| 00:37.06 | alien3456 | those will do it for now until i fix it |
| 00:37.07 | alien3456 | thanks |
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| 00:37.18 | Xeno^ | Installing php -> After I have done 'apt-get install php4' install it, I've found the php.ini file in /etc/php4/apache/ checked php.net ( As when opening a php file ie http://host/phpmyadmin/index.php it just downloads it ) with no success. What do I need to activate / configure? |
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| 00:37.43 | wobbler | alien3456: np it will probobly be updated once you log out and back |
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| 00:37.48 | juancho111 | apt-get install gtk2 should get gtk2? |
| 00:37.54 | TexHexx | did you guys already know that lilo is corrupt? |
| 00:37.56 | juancho111 | E: Couldn't find package gtk2 |
| 00:38.03 | TexHexx | he is abusing donations and setting k-lines for fun |
| 00:38.38 | bbrazil | Xeno^: remebmer that command I gave you a few hours ago? |
| 00:39.11 | Xeno^ | a2enmod php4 ? |
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| 00:39.19 | juancho111 | Any idea? |
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| 00:39.43 | AMD_ | hi guys...what's the command that times how long a process runs? |
| 00:39.44 | juancho111 | E: Couldn't find package gtk2 |
| 00:39.54 | amphi | AMD_: time |
| 00:40.12 | AMD_ | amphi: oh ;) Thanks! |
| 00:40.15 | harm1988 | what is better http ot https ? |
| 00:40.17 | TexHexx | did you guys already know that lilo is corrupt? he is abusing donations and setting k-lines for fun |
| 00:40.26 | pngwn | TexHexx, that's off topic |
| 00:40.29 | typewriter | how do i get ping6 and traceroute6 ? |
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| 00:40.34 | typewriter | what pkg do i need to install? |
| 00:40.46 | omi2 | hello all, what GUI application is there that is like HyperTerminal in windows? |
| 00:40.46 | pngwn | TexHexx, do you have a debian question? |
| 00:40.54 | bbrazil | Xeno^: exactly |
| 00:40.55 | KerPlunk | harm1988: https |
| 00:40.56 | omi2 | I need to use serial console |
| 00:40.59 | amphi | !pal TexHexx |
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| 00:41.13 | harm1988 | wtf are k-lines? |
| 00:41.16 | Xeno^ | couldnt find package a2enmod, hmm :S |
| 00:41.16 | TexHexx | [01:22] <masf> you are a person with very doubtfull intensions mister Lewin |
| 00:41.16 | TexHexx | [01:23] <lilo> yours are quite clear and inappropriate |
| 00:41.17 | TexHexx | [01:23] <masf> stop your hobby psychology crap on me |
| 00:41.17 | TexHexx | [01:23] <lilo> I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do at this point |
| 00:41.17 | TexHexx | [01:23] <masf> there is nothing you _want_ to do |
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| 00:41.22 | KerPlunk | idiot |
| 00:41.28 | juancho111 | ??? |
| 00:41.38 | juancho111 | apt-get install gtk2 should download gtk2? |
| 00:41.40 | rend | i am trying to use xwd to take screenshots of webpages.. this works but, the problem comes when i go to a different webpage the screen name changes: xwd -name "Google - Mozilla" -out myscreenshot3.xwd |
| 00:41.42 | harm1988 | what are k-lines? maby i care |
| 00:41.57 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: it's in iputils-ping |
| 00:41.59 | omi2 | Is there a gui Serial console application? |
| 00:42.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell typewriter -about search |
| 00:42.07 | bbrazil | Xeno^: its a command, in the apache2 packages |
| 00:42.07 | cheal | juancho111: no. there's no package named gtk2 |
| 00:42.21 | amphi | juancho111: apt-cache search libgtk2 perhaps |
| 00:42.22 | KerPlunk | harm1988: k lines are lines in an ircd.conf configuration file |
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| 00:42.42 | Xeno^ | okay.. |
| 00:42.43 | bbrazil | harm1988: ban from an irc server |
| 00:42.47 | KerPlunk | omi2: xterm/minicom? |
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| 00:42.55 | Xeno^ | *looks up apache2* |
| 00:43.01 | harm1988 | iam going to get banned? |
| 00:43.10 | KerPlunk | harm1988: no |
| 00:43.14 | harm1988 | O ok |
| 00:43.14 | bbrazil | Xeno^: are you using apache 1.2 or apache 2 ? |
| 00:43.15 | harm1988 | :P |
| 00:43.24 | Xeno^ | apache2 |
| 00:43.28 | omi2 | I said GUI application, not a terminal application |
| 00:43.35 | harm1988 | terminal rox |
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| 00:43.57 | harm1988 | after a couple of days i found i loved not having to drag my mouse all overthe place |
| 00:44.01 | Alexandar_ | ambrose, sorry to bug you, but is it hard to recompile the kernel? |
| 00:44.12 | bbrazil | Xeno^: you are using debian, right? |
| 00:44.14 | omi2 | ok, that is not what I was asking, I was asking if there exists a GUI application for serial console |
| 00:44.26 | juancho111 | libgtk2.0-bin is already the newest version, still, Cedega tells me that i dont have it |
| 00:44.28 | harm1988 | omi2 google that |
| 00:44.29 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: heh I hope so :P, yes I am using Debian |
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| 00:44.52 | bbrazil | Xeno^: and you're root and have apache2-common installed? |
| 00:44.55 | ambrose | Alexandar_, not hard if it goes right :-) Let's see, it will go right if you know what hardware you have and can set up the .config file properly |
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| 00:45.10 | Alexandar_ | =x |
| 00:45.23 | juancho111 | When i run Cedega, i get this... "Unable to load GTK2 Python bindings" |
| 00:45.24 | Alexandar_ | i know half of it =/ but not all |
| 00:45.26 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: Where would I find apache2-common? |
| 00:45.32 | Xeno^ | and yes im root. |
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| 00:45.40 | ambrose | Alexandar_, best bet is to google for your exact hardware, if you bought your machine whole then google for its part number, (eg mine is ibm thinkcentre 818321U) |
| 00:45.40 | omi2 | lets try gtktem |
| 00:45.53 | bbrazil | Xeno^: when you installed apache2 it should have pulled it in automatically |
| 00:46.18 | ambrose | Alexandar_, if your machine is white-box you'll have to get the info part by part (hd, hd controller(s), bus(s), graphics chips/card, etc) |
| 00:46.19 | Alexandar_ | yeah, details on this lappy are vauge =[ been there before |
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| 00:46.40 | juancho111 | When i run Cedega, i get this... "Unable to load GTK2 Python bindings" |
| 00:46.44 | harm1988 | do i want RSA or DSA badef signature algorithms? |
| 00:46.54 | ambrose | Alexandar_, laptop! You're in luck. find someone else's .config file from that linux-laptop site and use that |
| 00:46.55 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: ( It is a directory? ) Into what directory? |
| 00:47.00 | liable | juancho111: #cedega |
| 00:47.07 | juancho111 | Ok |
| 00:47.09 | juancho111 | I-ll try |
| 00:47.12 | bbrazil | Xeno^: its a package |
| 00:47.13 | Alexandar_ | can i just use the current one and enable acpi? >.> |
| 00:47.35 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: okay, let me check, I presume it will show it in Aptitude under installed packages? |
| 00:47.42 | bbrazil | Xeno^: yip |
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| 00:48.29 | ambrose | Alexandar_, yes. get the kernel sources, copy the /boot/config-`uname -r` to the toplevel of the kernel sources and call it .config, then run make menuconfig |
| 00:48.32 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: Yup its there, doesnt look good though, lots of red lines :s |
| 00:49.20 | SimonRaven | orchid: for me it was i2c_stub that made it SEGV |
| 00:49.20 | Alexandar_ | i'm lost |
| 00:49.21 | ambrose | Alexandar_, but it's worth looking up someone's config who did a good job - they can also give you hints on how to configure once the kernel is running: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 00:49.42 | bbrazil | Xeno^: only in suggests I hope |
| 00:49.55 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: Yip |
| 00:50.02 | bbrazil | Xeno^: thats one red line |
| 00:50.03 | Alexandar_ | looking atm, the one for debian on my model is down =[ |
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| 00:50.13 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: erm, 3? |
| 00:50.28 | CaT[tm] | anyone know if it's actually possible to call ifup from within ifup via the interfaces file? |
| 00:50.37 | bbrazil | Xeno^: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:50.50 | gravity | CaT[tm]: What does that mean? What do you actually want to do? |
| 00:51.04 | Xeno^ | 3.1 |
| 00:51.20 | CaT[tm] | gravity: I want to setup some manual inet ifaces but have a single global manual iface to bring them all up and down. |
| 00:51.21 | bbrazil | Xeno^: and /usr/sbin/a2enmod exists? |
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| 00:51.32 | ambrose | Alexandar_, get the kernel sources for the kernel you have now: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15, or whatever |
| 00:51.52 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: yep |
| 00:51.54 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: you'de be better off using either ifup -a, or a shell script |
| 00:52.06 | bbrazil | Xeno^: 'a2enmod php4' then |
| 00:52.10 | Alexandar_ | ok |
| 00:52.14 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: bummer. |
| 00:52.35 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: 'this module does not exist' *checks spelling |
| 00:52.36 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: I'm not saying it won't work - but its probably better to do it a different way |
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| 00:52.38 | ambrose | Alexandar_, do it as yourself (not root) it will put it in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 (or whatever) |
| 00:52.54 | bbrazil | Xeno^: you got libapache-php4 installed? |
| 00:53.02 | bbrazil | *libapache2-php4 |
| 00:53.05 | miki | hey, i got script launching net under debian but it says that it wont work(No Acces). any clues |
| 00:53.06 | miki | ? |
| 00:53.18 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: Where would I check that? Or is it, if ive not manually installed it, it wont be there? |
| 00:53.31 | bbrazil | Xeno^: I think you have to manually install it |
| 00:53.41 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: is that another apt-get deal? |
| 00:53.46 | bbrazil | Xeno^: yip |
| 00:53.49 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: it's not working (lock contention over the state file I believe) so I was hoping I was missing something. |
| 00:54.00 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: thanks again! I owe you loads :P |
| 00:54.03 | hueh | Just been reading the recent news on webmin (& dpkg's view on it) - is webmin totally deprecated - i.e. does no-one here use it? |
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| 00:54.30 | hueh | !webmin |
| 00:54.30 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 00:54.32 | ambrose | Alexandar, you might find a .config file on google ... linux-laptop is the most likely place to find it but you can still search the rest of the web |
| 00:54.36 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: just write a simple shell script and throw it in /usr/local/sbin |
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| 00:54.44 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: a line for each ifup |
| 00:54.51 | ambrose | Alexandar_, you might find a .config file on google ... linux-laptop is the most likely place to find it but you can still search the rest of the web |
| 00:55.06 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: hmmm. |
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| 00:56.37 | bbrazil | Xeno^: no problem. I'm going to bed now |
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| 00:56.42 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: 'apt-get libapache-php4' -> 'E: Couldn't find package libapache-php4' Me spelling something wrong? |
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| 00:56.58 | harm1988 | 1 and l ... |
| 00:56.58 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: I'll do it the boring way first and then see if I can funkyfy it later. I'd like to be able to bring each web ip up and down individually and also the whole lot in one hit using the one, always available, interface. |
| 00:56.59 | harm1988 | check that |
| 00:57.04 | Xeno^ | bbrazil: hehe maybe I should too:) thanks for all your help, and no doubt your gna be fed up of me by the end of the week :p |
| 00:57.09 | miki | hey ppl, i got script for launching my modem and connection, manual says i must type "/etc/init.d/neostrada start", but when im typing that, debian shows: No Acces to File :( when im logged as root, it says same thing and when im trying to launch file from local folder, it says that there is no file like that(tho there is, sience i can edit it with nano). Any clues? |
| 00:57.09 | bbrazil | Xeno^: I corrected myself - its libapache2 |
| 00:57.20 | harm1988 | apt-get install libapache-php4 |
| 00:57.43 | nate__ | a recent sudo update seems to have stopped $DISPLAY from being passed...anyone know how to fix it? (for example "sudo xclock" doesn't work because $DISPLAY is undefined) |
| 00:57.43 | hueh | miki: chmod u+x file |
| 00:58.10 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: (assuming apache2) - you seen a2ensite/a2disite ? |
| 00:58.55 | bbrazil | nate__: thats a security update, check recent archives of debian-security for the fix |
| 00:59.09 | daos | can someone help me setup some automatic report generation with sarg? |
| 00:59.11 | daos | I have sarg setup, just never setup scripts before |
| 00:59.28 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: yeah but https sites need to live on a single ip each. |
| 00:59.33 | bbrazil | nate__: something to do with env_reset I believe |
| 00:59.42 | miki | hueh: so in my case, chmod u+x /etc/init.d/neostrada start ?? |
| 00:59.44 | rend | how can i find the ID of a window in x11? |
| 00:59.57 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: yip, but turning off apache for each is just as good |
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| 01:00.03 | rend | im speaking of the id xwd uses to dump screenshots |
| 01:00.11 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: not sure what you mean. |
| 01:00.12 | nate__ | ok...i'll try and find the update notes.. |
| 01:00.19 | hueh | miki: drop the `start' |
| 01:00.23 | amphi | rend: xwininfo I believe |
| 01:00.24 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: what exactly is it you're trying to do? |
| 01:00.43 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: set up the ips on the network |
| 01:00.48 | lilo | oh, masf has been spamming his comment here, has he? 8) |
| 01:00.49 | CaT[tm] | apache config I have down pat. |
| 01:01.12 | harm1988 | Grrr |
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| 01:01.17 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: I'd suggest post-up lines in your innterfaces file - ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
| 01:01.33 | miki | hueh: fine, thanks |
| 01:01.34 | harm1988 | how do i check what my MySql servername User is? |
| 01:01.53 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: yeah I have something lik that atm. I was wanting to be able to treat them individually in the same manner as I would treat them globally. |
| 01:02.33 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: so you want to be able to disable/enable them by adding.removing the ip address? |
| 01:02.54 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: yes. or all in one swoop but using ifup/ifdown |
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| 01:03.37 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: hmm, there might be an obscure (and unsupported) way - do you know of interface aliases? |
| 01:04.19 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: you mean manual iface lines? |
| 01:04.33 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: more eth0:0, eth0:1 etc |
| 01:04.45 | harm1988 | could some one please assist me? |
| 01:04.46 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: its the pre-'ip addr add' way of doing things |
| 01:04.46 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: ah. yeah. but same hassle no? |
| 01:05.10 | hueh | harm1988: I think it's here `user': /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 01:05.24 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: well if you could write a script (probably a oneliner) to ifdown everything that wasn't eth0 ... |
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| 01:06.17 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: I think you're going about this the wrong way, and disabling through apache would be better. If you mess up you could lose ssh access |
| 01:06.56 | daos | can someone help me setup some automatic report generation with sarg? |
| 01:07.08 | bbrazil | daos: to monitor logs? |
| 01:07.27 | hueh | daos: what are you trying to report on - can you give an example? |
| 01:07.29 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: this is more where I'd like to move that ip address over to another server. the all-in-one-hit is a convenience thing when I want to drop all web ips (my websites don't live on the same ip address that the server has by default so that I don't bugger up my ssh access etc :) |
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| 01:07.44 | daos | bbrazil: yeah, just to generate a daily report of http usage |
| 01:08.01 | bbrazil | daos: analog is what you want, there are a few other too |
| 01:08.34 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: bringing down interfaces could bring down your ssh interface :) |
| 01:08.35 | ayq | Hi. Sorry about bothering you, but I can't find the answers to my questions. I have and old version of a package in use. How do I get the development version of that package I have installed without performing a whole upgrade? Upgrading would cost more time than I have available. |
| 01:08.45 | daos | bbrazil: ok I will have a look at that too |
| 01:09.23 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: hmm, I see what you're at now. |
| 01:09.30 | hueh | daos: awstats is pretty for http usage |
| 01:09.35 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: :) |
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| 01:09.47 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: just trying to be clever so that things are portable in a non-destructive way |
| 01:09.59 | harm1988 | hueh thx |
| 01:10.06 | bbrazil | I don't hear the best things about awstats and security |
| 01:10.27 | sanmarcos | bbrazil: awstats is the awful on security |
| 01:10.44 | sanmarcos | you might want to check out Mint, although it is not free |
| 01:10.48 | Fluten | how can i combat ddos attacks on apache? i am constantly getting 408 errors from lots of hosts in my access.log, and would like to find a way to automatically blackhole them |
| 01:10.50 | hueh | I don't expose awstats to outside world - but use a cron job to generate an email |
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| 01:11.00 | odla | anyone familiar with worker and know how to open a file with it...ha ha...i can't figure it out how to |
| 01:11.12 | sanmarcos | Fluten: you could .htaccess them with rewrite engine |
| 01:11.23 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: what I'd do is setup scritps across both stystems using sshkeys to transfer ips using 'ip', if done right would avoid possible problems with both systems having an address |
| 01:11.28 | sanmarcos | Fluten: you might want to checkout Snort |
| 01:11.47 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: but as you might have guessed I'm a scripty guy |
| 01:11.59 | Fluten | sanmarcos, i dont think .htaccess would work for me, since the hits would still get to apache. ill try out snort |
| 01:12.30 | bbrazil | Fluten: try mod_security |
| 01:12.37 | sanmarcos | Fluten: also, try #apache |
| 01:12.47 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: me too but if I can do it without a script (simply) I'd rather do that :) |
| 01:12.59 | bbrazil | Fluten: other approcahes include a firewall, and mod_rewrite |
| 01:13.08 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: thats not being scripty ;) |
| 01:13.15 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: awww! :) |
| 01:13.30 | sanmarcos | yeah, snort, htaccess (mod_rewrite), or mod_security Fluten |
| 01:13.35 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: writing a one-line on the fly is acceptable though |
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| 01:14.19 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: if you go the scripting route, you'll end up with a complete management system in a few months |
| 01:14.35 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: aye. but have other funner things to do atm. |
| 01:15.56 | kspath | this channel is painful to watch |
| 01:16.29 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: anyway, bedtime |
| 01:16.45 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: one other idea is to try and ip addr add dev eth0:1 |
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| 01:17.09 | CaT[tm] | bbrazil: that's what I'm doing in the manual configs. night though :) |
| 01:17.21 | bbrazil | CaT[tm]: evil |
| 01:17.37 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 01:17.38 | Alexandar_ | err where would i find the kernel sources -x |
| 01:17.40 | Alexandar_ | =x* |
| 01:18.33 | jetscreamer | if you installed em, /usr/src... un tar it via tar xvjf |
| 01:18.45 | jetscreamer | otherwise apt-get install one first |
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| 01:19.17 | afinley | Hi does someone know a command to show me the largest files recursively in / |
| 01:19.36 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-source or linux-source |
| 01:19.42 | Alexandar_ | ty |
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| 01:19.44 | Alexandar_ | was looking for the dir |
| 01:19.48 | jetscreamer | pipe df output through sort? |
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| 01:20.04 | Bitch-Face_Jones | does anyone know if there is a kerberized login replacement available for debian? |
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| 01:20.21 | jetscreamer | err du |
| 01:21.23 | daos | bbrazil: analog looks ok, but I liked sarg cause it gives you ip's/users in the http report |
| 01:21.36 | Alexandar_ | do i need a config / can i make it up as i go along? |
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| 01:22.47 | daos | is anyone here using sarg? I just want to generate a daily, weekly & monthly report |
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| 01:23.00 | ayq | Is this syntax correct: apt-get -s install xlibs-dev=6.8.2 ? |
| 01:23.29 | Alexandar_ | try - instrad of = |
| 01:23.34 | Alexandar_ | instead* |
| 01:23.41 | ayq | Thought it said 'equals sign'.... |
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| 01:24.17 | netsurfer | hi, I've got mysql 4.1 (deb package) installed on my sarge box, and somehow managed to lock myself out of mysql remotely with webmin - where is the access file I need to edit from shell? |
| 01:24.26 | ayq | nope |
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| 01:25.01 | ayq | I don't understand how to specify a certain version..... |
| 01:25.03 | Alexandar_ | any why the simulation? |
| 01:25.04 | ayq | HELP |
| 01:25.07 | Alexandar_ | and* |
| 01:25.30 | Alexandar_ | is a package asking for a specific version? |
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| 01:25.50 | Alexandar_ | do "apt-cache policy xlibs-dev" |
| 01:25.54 | Alexandar_ | whats the output? |
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| 01:26.07 | ayq | Alexander_: no, just that upgrading my system will take up more space/time than I have right now. |
| 01:26.07 | tengulre11 | anybody can help me? http://sial.org/pbot/15570 |
| 01:26.31 | ayq | that's why it doesn't work... |
| 01:26.42 | Alexandar_ | ...? |
| 01:27.02 | kspath | afinley: du -ak /| egrep -v "\/proc"|sort -nr | less this is something very quick and simply modify for your needs |
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| 01:27.33 | dn4 | What is the command to compile javabyte code into machinecodE?\ |
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| 01:28.35 | kspath | afinley: there are exclusion options built into du that you can use |
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| 01:28.42 | harm1988 | what the hell!? |
| 01:28.49 | harm1988 | ISPconfig just skipped a vital part |
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| 01:30.20 | kspath | afinley: also my example will exclude anything with /proc in the path I will leave that for you learn about regex |
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| 01:30.21 | chadlongstaff | Hello |
| 01:30.30 | peltkore | hello |
| 01:30.32 | Alexandar_ | right , ive untar'd the kernel source , now what? & the config can i wing it or do i need to write/ tealeaf one before attempting to compile? |
| 01:30.34 | kspath | afinley: there are also numerous other ways of doing this including writing something in perl or python |
| 01:30.55 | chadlongstaff | new to debian myself |
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| 01:31.23 | blue2 | i pooped |
| 01:31.24 | kinder | Hi |
| 01:31.30 | chadlongstaff | Hi |
| 01:31.40 | chadlongstaff | newbie? |
| 01:31.43 | amphi | !greet chadlongstaff |
| 01:31.43 | kinder | yeah |
| 01:31.43 | dpkg | Salutations, chadlongstaff |
| 01:31.45 | kspath | blue2: I crapped myself |
| 01:31.56 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package |
| 01:31.59 | chadlongstaff | same here |
| 01:31.59 | jetscreamer | did i miss any? |
| 01:32.07 | abrotman | not that i can see |
| 01:32.08 | SimonRaven | no |
| 01:32.23 | jetscreamer | then cd to the dir and make menuconfig |
| 01:32.42 | Alexandar_ | /usr/src? |
| 01:32.48 | jetscreamer | fakeroot make menuconfig |
| 01:32.51 | kinder | I am looking for how to load video drivers for my computer... I'm not sure which devian ver I am running though |
| 01:32.53 | Alexandar_ | where it is currenly? |
| 01:32.57 | Alexandar_ | fakeroot? |
| 01:33.01 | SimonRaven | the dir where the kernel source is |
| 01:33.06 | jetscreamer | /usr/src/this-thing-you-just-untarred/ |
| 01:33.08 | chadlongstaff | I can't help you there |
| 01:33.08 | peltkore | jetscreamer: thanks ... you might have just answered the question I as about to ask... :s |
| 01:33.09 | Alexandar_ | ok |
| 01:33.17 | SimonRaven | @installit |
| 01:33.17 | chadlongstaff | did you install from Knoppix? |
| 01:33.17 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 01:33.47 | jetscreamer | apt-get install fakeroot |
| 01:33.58 | jetscreamer | so you don't have to do it as root |
| 01:33.58 | kinder | like how do you get to the menu to change resolution/etc properties |
| 01:34.01 | Alexandar_ | ah |
| 01:34.03 | Alexandar_ | ok |
| 01:34.13 | SimonRaven | i guess we all missed that one ;) |
| 01:34.13 | harm1988 | how do i shutdown my box? |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 01:34.15 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:34.18 | harm1988 | shutdown -p/ |
| 01:34.18 | harm1988 | ? |
| 01:34.24 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: poweroff |
| 01:34.30 | jetscreamer | don't be lame & lazy like me and do it as root |
| 01:34.32 | Alexandar_ | shutdown -h now |
| 01:34.32 | amphi | harm1988: halt |
| 01:34.33 | chadlongstaff | are you in KDE? |
| 01:34.34 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now |
| 01:34.38 | jetscreamer | or halt |
| 01:34.42 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: -r = reboot |
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| 01:34.49 | jetscreamer | /sbin/shutdown |
| 01:34.52 | harm1988 | lol 4 options |
| 01:34.57 | SimonRaven | man shutdown |
| 01:34.58 | jetscreamer | really only 2 |
| 01:35.08 | harm1988 | poweroff worked well |
| 01:35.10 | kinder | anyone... anyone at all? |
| 01:35.14 | jetscreamer | ahh ok 3 |
| 01:35.18 | Pres-Gas | Hey all, is there anything similar to growl for linux? |
| 01:35.28 | amphi | harm1988: or software suspend - never shut down again ;) |
| 01:35.30 | jetscreamer | kinder: wht menu |
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| 01:35.47 | jetscreamer | gnome, kde, something else? |
| 01:35.48 | Alexandar_ | so, i should do the kernel compile as su / fakeroot? i'm confused =/ |
| 01:35.54 | ayq | I give up. I'll just wait until I can upgrade my whole system - that'll be fun! I can't wait until the detriteus starts flying around |
| 01:35.56 | kinder | Jet: to change resolution and the like? |
| 01:36.02 | ayq | Thanks for your help *sarcasm* |
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| 01:36.19 | jetscreamer | kinder: in what though... gnome, kde, something else? |
| 01:36.22 | SimonRaven | er? |
| 01:36.41 | kinder | lemme ask, it's for my friend, he's sitting next to me |
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| 01:37.03 | kinder | in Gnome |
| 01:37.12 | SerajewelKS | !drxx kinder |
| 01:37.12 | dpkg | kinder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:37.19 | chadlongstaff | Kinder: why not just scoot over and let your friend type? |
| 01:37.21 | SimonRaven | Alexandar_: with fakeroot. don't bother with su/sduo |
| 01:37.25 | SimonRaven | er, sudo even |
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| 01:37.55 | kinder | Chad: he's on the phone with a friend who knows some about debian and gnome |
| 01:37.56 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: i don't know exactly, i'm lame and just do it as root |
| 01:38.28 | chadlongstaff | kinder:sounds like a serious problem |
| 01:38.38 | Alexandar_ | =/ |
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| 01:38.47 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: but SimonRaven knows all |
| 01:38.51 | Alexandar_ | too lat i started with su -x |
| 01:38.53 | Alexandar_ | =x * |
| 01:38.58 | Alexandar_ | late* |
| 01:39.02 | chadlongstaff | Kinder:did you install debian from Knoppix? |
| 01:39.04 | SimonRaven | Alexandar_: with fakeroot. don't bother with su/sudo |
| 01:39.10 | SimonRaven | you can always exit su ... |
| 01:39.15 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: you need to know about initrd btw |
| 01:39.22 | SimonRaven | no i don't know all. ;) |
| 01:39.23 | jetscreamer | yeah i was gonna say, ctrl-c |
| 01:39.24 | kinder | Chad: |
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| 01:39.32 | SimonRaven | i know what i know |
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| 01:39.34 | kinder | Chad: "No it's directly fromt their site" |
| 01:39.38 | SimonRaven | ^d |
| 01:39.39 | kinder | *from their |
| 01:39.58 | kinder | that's what he said |
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| 01:40.11 | kinder | I'm picking up halfway through on this otherwise I would know more |
| 01:40.25 | jetscreamer | kinder: let him worry about this, this is confusing? |
| 01:40.51 | chadlongstaff | Kinder:Fair enough, I had no joy with their distro, Knoppix has very good hardware detection, runs Live from CD/DVD and can be used to install Debian with 99% of the hassles ironed out |
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| 01:41.07 | Alexandar_ | initrd =x |
| 01:41.16 | Fluten | how can i take an apache log file, and remove all data after the ip address? can grep do this, or does grep only work on whole lines? |
| 01:41.18 | kinder | Chad: kk checking them right nnow |
| 01:41.40 | SimonRaven | Fluten: awk |
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| 01:41.48 | chadlongstaff | kinder:no hurry |
| 01:42.14 | cockroach | is there a way to get a list of packages in experimental, now that packages.d.o is not working? |
| 01:42.22 | Alexandar_ | permission denied =/ |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | cockroach: but it is working |
| 01:42.39 | Alexandar_ | does it really matter if i do it with su / fakeroot? |
| 01:43.04 | abrotman | cockroach: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/project/experimental |
| 01:43.37 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: you did make menuconfig that quick? |
| 01:43.46 | cockroach | abrotman: thanks for the link. to me it doesn't seem to be working ("packages.debian.org is down at the moment [...]") |
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| 01:43.51 | Alexandar_ | nope =/ |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | cockroach: follow tha tlink .. use the Packages file |
| 01:44.10 | Alexandar_ | if i do it with su it lets me config , but with fakeroot it complains |
| 01:44.10 | jetscreamer | so are you make menuconfigging, or compiling |
| 01:44.27 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it's the actual compiling that you need fakeroot for |
| 01:44.33 | ambrose | Alexandar_, that's because you started with su |
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| 01:44.41 | jetscreamer | but i don't know i don't use it (i'm lame) |
| 01:44.57 | Alexandar_ | can i be lame too then =x |
| 01:45.07 | jetscreamer | it's ok by me... but not the guru's |
| 01:45.22 | chadlongstaff | all:do you have a book on Linux (Debian) that you would recommend for an outright newbie fresh from microsoft? |
| 01:45.24 | kinder | Chad: alright have knoppix on dl right now, so hopefully... yeah |
| 01:45.27 | Alexandar_ | or should i rm the dir and untar again? |
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| 01:45.44 | ambrose | Alexandar_, jetscreamer, you use fakeroot like this: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version foo.1 kernel-image |
| 01:45.47 | jetscreamer | chown -R user:src /usr/src/whatever |
| 01:46.03 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 01:46.31 | Alexandar_ | err the last two things you two typed went over my head |
| 01:46.36 | amphi | chadlongstaff: there's the debian reference |
| 01:46.47 | ambrose | chadlongstaff, what do you want to do with your linux box? |
| 01:46.55 | daos | is anyone here using sarg? I just want to generate a daily, weekly & monthly report |
| 01:47.04 | SimonRaven | chadlongstaff: rutebook, and the debian bible if you have money for books, and martin f krafft's book too. all good shtuff. then there's the docs at www.debian.org (check there first) |
| 01:47.05 | amphi | chadlongstaff: tldp.org has useful stuff |
| 01:47.06 | chadlongstaff | Kinder:Knoppix was the tenth distro I tried, it's the only one that works, once you are up in Knoppix, open a terminal, make root<su> <knoppix-installer> follow the instructions from there |
| 01:47.24 | jetscreamer | #kanotix > knoppix |
| 01:47.32 | amphi | chadlongstaff: heresy! ;) |
| 01:47.41 | ambrose | chadlongstff, email, web browsing? web server? development? music? |
| 01:47.52 | dabaR | somebody said books was http://www.debian.org/doc/books - Debian, and http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/book-suggestions/ - GNU/Linux, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 01:47.57 | chadlongstaff | ambrose:want to learn bash |
| 01:47.59 | kinder | chad: kk thanks man |
| 01:48.02 | SimonRaven | FYI, knoppix isn't debian |
| 01:48.04 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: either untar it again, or chown it... change the owner. |
| 01:48.05 | dabaR | those are books. |
| 01:48.07 | ambrose | Didn't madduck just write a book? |
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| 01:48.13 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 01:48.18 | ambrose | mmmm bash |
| 01:48.19 | kinder | Roger that, but he's running deb right now |
| 01:48.25 | Alexandar_ | http://pastebin.com/518420 |
| 01:48.28 | Alexandar_ | o.O |
| 01:48.32 | SimonRaven | ambrose: yes, noted above ^^^ |
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| 01:48.57 | amphi | chadlongstaff: the advanced bash howto - despite the name, it presumes little or no prior knowledge |
| 01:49.04 | ambrose | ah right SimonRavel :-) |
| 01:49.08 | Alexandar_ | do i know what i'm doing? >.> |
| 01:49.09 | humpi | will wget -q http://google.com not output? |
| 01:49.09 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: that's normal, tell it continue |
| 01:49.18 | SimonRaven | s/l/n/ |
| 01:49.18 | chadlongstaff | simonRAVER:KNOPPIX INSTALLS TO DEBIAN |
| 01:49.22 | ambrose | chadlogstaff, you can also hang out on #bash |
| 01:49.37 | chadlongstaff | simon raven:sorry hit caps lock, not shouting |
| 01:49.37 | jetscreamer | chadlongstaff: you should probably be quiet. friendly advice. |
| 01:49.39 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:49.41 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 01:49.48 | jetscreamer | but still |
| 01:49.55 | SimonRaven | installs to debian derived knoppix. and don't yell please |
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| 01:50.15 | SimonRaven | and what's so hard about 'simonraven'? |
| 01:50.23 | amphi | chadlongstaff: you should disable capslock ;) |
| 01:50.26 | chadlongstaff | still getting used to the slightly smaller keyboard on my new laptop |
| 01:50.37 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
| 01:50.49 | SimonRaven | capslock sucks ;). turn it into a control key |
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| 01:51.05 | chadlongstaff | I hate shouters too if that makes it less bad |
| 01:51.30 | chadlongstaff | need to learn bash before I can sort out the CAPS key |
| 01:51.30 | humpi | atleast double clicking shift doesn't activiate capslock |
| 01:52.10 | chadlongstaff | Broke the ice a bit anyway |
| 01:52.10 | ambrose | sorry SimonRaven (re misspelling your nick) |
| 01:52.10 | amphi | chadlongstaff: echo 'keycode 58 = nul' | loadkeys |
| 01:52.12 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | knoppix is derived from debian |
| 01:52.30 | SimonRaven | ambrose: s'ok |
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| 01:53.56 | chadlongstaff | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console x3 |
| 01:54.07 | chadlongstaff | to amphi |
| 01:54.38 | amphi | chadlongstaff: you ran that command in an xterm? |
| 01:54.48 | Alexandar_ | do i want a clean compile? |
| 01:54.53 | chadlongstaff | amphi:shouldn't I have done? |
| 01:55.00 | SimonRaven | i *still* don't get that /quit msg |
| 01:55.12 | amphi | chadlongstaff: no, that's for the console keymap |
| 01:55.13 | chadlongstaff | amphi:shell console |
| 01:55.14 | kspath | SimonRaven: Get a HappyHacker keyboard no windblows buttons and no caps lock |
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| 01:55.27 | Alexandar_ | you know directhex? |
| 01:55.32 | amphi | kspath: no capslock? that's nice |
| 01:55.41 | dabaR | SimonRaven: you want me to explain(re: quit message, if you mean the one with nobody throws anything) |
| 01:55.55 | SimonRaven | kspath: yes, but i'd rather keep my money for food ;) |
| 01:56.09 | Alexandar_ | he brought his magic linux keyboad to an event i was at, bless he was so chuffed with it ^_^ |
| 01:56.15 | SimonRaven | dabaR: sure, i suppose |
| 01:56.17 | chadlongstaff | The more I do this the less I'll hit the wrong keys |
| 01:56.20 | kspath | SimonRaven: with the bliss that is a HappyHacker keyboard there is no need for food. |
| 01:56.21 | Alexandar_ | keyboard* |
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| 01:56.41 | KerPlunk | SimonRaven: who cares...it's *still* better then those annoying BitchX quit messages. curses to the BitchX developers |
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| 01:56.45 | muhoo | ok some chucklehead has installed djbdns on this box and i can't get rid of it |
| 01:56.49 | gau | hello all |
| 01:56.54 | muhoo | dnscache, there is a proces called "supervise" |
| 01:56.58 | KerPlunk | !greet gau |
| 01:56.58 | dpkg | Wassup, gau |
| 01:57.07 | chadlongstaff | Hi Gau |
| 01:57.10 | SimonRaven | kspath: suuure. now, tell me why i'm cooking food right now? ;) </setting myself up> |
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| 01:57.11 | kspath | SimonRaven: it is really a one time cost of 70-90 USD. Much better than the average crap ass keyboards out there. |
| 01:57.33 | gau | I am trying to get X running. but there is no startx |
| 01:57.36 | dabaR | SimonRaven: so, this person is playing dodgeball, or something like that. He has to say "Jehovah" for the game to start, so he says: "Nobody throws ANYTHING, until I blow this whistle! - Not even if someone says Jehovah! *THWACK" And he gets hit by a ball. Probably a studid quote from some movie. |
| 01:57.36 | SimonRaven | KerPlunk: indeed. that's why i have cafuego.pl in irssi ;) |
| 01:57.44 | KerPlunk | gau: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:57.46 | kspath | SimonRaven: the Control key is HUGE |
| 01:57.49 | gau | hello chadlongstaff |
| 01:57.53 | dabaR | SimonRaven: nm:) |
| 01:57.56 | gau | KerPlunk: tnx ;) |
| 01:57.59 | SimonRaven | dabaR: looks like it |
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| 01:58.05 | chadlongstaff | gau:problems? |
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| 01:58.29 | SimonRaven | kspath: that's a lot of money for us ... |
| 01:58.31 | muhoo | it is an unkillable process! i kill it, it comes back. he put svcscan on it. feh. |
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| 01:58.51 | kspath | SimonRaven: 90 USD is a lot of money for most people |
| 01:58.54 | gau | chadlongstaff: not any more ;) |
| 01:59.12 | chadlongstaff | gau:I am just ignoring mine for a while |
| 01:59.18 | kspath | SimonRaven: The key here is that it is a one time cost for your primary/only user interface |
| 01:59.19 | Alexandar_ | " Select only drivers expected to compile cleanly (CLEAN_COMPILE) [Y/n/?] " |
| 01:59.47 | gau | er not completely though. intel 915 audio has lots of noise ... |
| 01:59.52 | SimonRaven | kspath: my computers are all garbage finds. 'nough said ;) |
| 01:59.55 | chadlongstaff | kspath:very good point, well made |
| 02:00.02 | gau | is that a given or can i fix that ? |
| 02:00.08 | Alexandar_ | sorry about all the annoying questions and stuff >.> but "wise man asks, while the stupid man sits and wonders." |
| 02:00.24 | kspath | SimonRaven: yeah, I see what you are saying. Make it a long term goal to get a used old HHK |
| 02:00.27 | KerPlunk | Alexandar_: If you aren't sure just go with the default everytime. |
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| 02:00.35 | KerPlunk | Alexandar_: the default is the _safe_ answer. |
| 02:00.36 | jetscreamer | Alexandar: just go with the defaults, unless you k.... ^^^ |
| 02:00.37 | ambrose | chadlongstaff, re learning bash. also add to your list of topics to learn: regular expressions |
| 02:00.41 | deadcat | pentium dual core, is that mean 2 cpu? |
| 02:00.41 | jetscreamer | wht he/they siad |
| 02:00.46 | chadlongstaff | gau:if you have the knowledge you can fix anything, is it better sound on XP, for example? |
| 02:00.56 | gau | chadlongstaff: yep |
| 02:00.57 | Alexandar_ | ok |
| 02:01.16 | gau | chadlongstaff: its a realteck onboard card |
| 02:01.26 | chadlongstaff | ambrose:am I using irregular expressions? |
| 02:01.28 | jetscreamer | how do i determine how many frames are in a movie... .avi |
| 02:01.30 | gau | Intel original mb i.e. |
| 02:01.34 | SimonRaven | kspath: it's on the todo list, waaay down there ;). more of a luxury item. saw it once about 1-2 years ago, they look really nice (i.e., using one) |
| 02:01.35 | ambrose | Alexandar_, yes it's good to get help on the make menuconfig, but if you had gotten a .config for your hardware from the net, then you could speed through this part |
| 02:01.56 | ambrose | chadlogstaff, trust me. You need to know about regular expressions if you're going to do stuff with bash |
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| 02:02.11 | chadlongstaff | gau:I also have a realtek, haven't had time to experiment with the sound, thought I might treat myself to an audigy first |
| 02:02.22 | gau | hehe |
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| 02:02.34 | ambrose | Alexandar_, instead of asking hundreds of questions, one by one |
| 02:02.42 | gau | modprobe snd-hwd-intel is all it takes i suppose ... |
| 02:02.43 | ambrose | Alexandar_, I've learned that the hard way |
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| 02:02.55 | gau | but not sure the drivers are good .... |
| 02:02.56 | maelztrom | join #openbsd |
| 02:02.56 | chadlongstaff | ambrose:I shall check the wikipedia |
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| 02:02.57 | amphi | chadlongstaff: man 7 regex perhaps |
| 02:03.21 | maelztrom | sorry about typo...didn't mean to advertise :( |
| 02:03.24 | ambrose | Alexandar_, just trying to save you some time |
| 02:03.36 | ambrose | going to make dinner... tty later |
| 02:03.37 | dabaR | maelztrom: heh |
| 02:03.57 | SimonRaven | maelztrom: you get only one and you blew it (j/k) |
| 02:03.59 | chadlongstaff | ambrose:I shall send that to desktop two for further study! |
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| 02:05.20 | chadlongstaff | Hi Azar |
| 02:05.35 | Azar | hello |
| 02:05.53 | chadlongstaff | Azar:busy day? |
| 02:05.58 | miki | anyone know where from should i get modem_run files and executables? |
| 02:06.11 | chadlongstaff | All:I have a cat lying on my back |
| 02:06.31 | Azar | ? |
| 02:06.38 | chadlongstaff | So warm and fuzzy |
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| 02:07.06 | dscener | Anyone know of a user-friendly program for converting any video (avi's in my case) to video and bruning them to DVD? |
| 02:07.36 | chadlongstaff | dscener:sounds illegal |
| 02:08.14 | SimonRaven | maelztrom: hehe |
| 02:08.17 | amphi | dscener: mencoder? user-friendly might be pushing it, perhaps ;) |
| 02:08.55 | gau | hmmz dkpg suggests realtek is a crappy chipset and its better to use 8139 with 2.4 does that still hold for 2.6 ? |
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| 02:09.10 | liable | transcode? |
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| 02:09.21 | HugLeo | checking symlink for /usr/lib/kaffe/bin/javac... /usr/lib/kaffe/bin/../.system/bin/javac |
| 02:09.21 | HugLeo | configure: error: cannot find java include files |
| 02:09.55 | maelztrom | I'm using three realtek cards with 2.6 kernel and not having any issues with *those* |
| 02:10.16 | amphi | 8139too worked ok for me |
| 02:10.26 | dscener | mencoder.. cool. |
| 02:11.24 | chadlongstaff | gau:I also heard it was crappy, beyond that you're on your own |
| 02:11.24 | amphi | dscener: 'converting video [...] to video' was not overly clear IMHO ;) |
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| 02:12.22 | bmbeck | In order to get packets forwarded from the network behind eth1 to the internet via eth0 do I need iptables rules to do that, or is `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` enough? |
| 02:13.21 | Teltariat | Quick question: does the Debian installation CD contain mdadm? I know, I know, off-base question that prolly no one would know off the top of their heads, but its worth a shot. :) |
| 02:13.34 | chadlongstaff | kinder:how is the download going? |
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| 02:14.35 | gau | amphi: what's the module name for 8139 ? |
| 02:14.36 | humpi | How do you install a xfce4 theme? |
| 02:14.38 | liable | Teltariat: yes, you can set up software raid from the start with the install disk |
| 02:14.39 | gau | i can find 8150 |
| 02:14.49 | Azar | Teltariat: what is mdadm? |
| 02:15.00 | dvs | !mdadm |
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| 02:15.19 | dvs | Azar: Oh. It an RAID admin tool |
| 02:15.27 | Azar | thank you dvs |
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| 02:15.35 | dvs | Azar: you're welcome |
| 02:15.42 | joey_at_debian | I'm having some trouble mounting my ipod... I've googled, but none of the how-tos seem to work for me |
| 02:16.01 | KerPlunk | !tell joey_at_debian about ipod |
| 02:16.09 | amphi | gau: I used 8139too (I'm talking about the NIC) |
| 02:16.18 | humpi | anyone use xfce4? |
| 02:16.27 | KerPlunk | humpi: I bet people in #xfce do |
| 02:16.27 | yottzumm | Is there a new way of doing dhcp? I used dhclient in the past, but it no longer runs automatically. I think an init.d script changed |
| 02:16.31 | anapivirtua | good night |
| 02:16.31 | KerPlunk | !tell humpi about anyone |
| 02:16.40 | yottzumm | on testing |
| 02:16.41 | humpi | oh :) |
| 02:16.58 | humpi | tell !KerPlunk about anyone |
| 02:17.00 | amphi | yottzumm: /etc/network/interfaces perhaps |
| 02:17.03 | gau | amphi: woops i was looking at the audio ... hmmz i don't think i can get my cousin to use linux now ... |
| 02:17.04 | chadlongstaff | how can I force DHCP on a wifi |
| 02:17.05 | Azar | ok : anyone : what if they copy the entire nicks list and append the question to them? |
| 02:17.22 | Teltariat | liable: Thank you |
| 02:17.23 | Azar | I mean copy/paste the #debian entire list of users? |
| 02:17.23 | amphi | chadlongstaff: dhclient <interface> works for me |
| 02:17.38 | Azar | ... instead of anyone.. |
| 02:17.38 | liable | Teltariat: np |
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| 02:17.40 | gau | i don't have any trouble with ethernet ... but audio is pretty crappy ... |
| 02:17.42 | Teltariat | Azar: sorry I didn't answer your question, was off distracted :p |
| 02:17.45 | Milk | hello |
| 02:17.53 | KerPlunk | !greet Milk |
| 02:17.53 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Milk |
| 02:17.53 | Azar | Teltariat: its ok dvz answereed |
| 02:17.57 | Teltariat | Aye |
| 02:17.58 | yottzumm | this line appears: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:18.04 | Milk | has anyone here installed debian on an old world mac via floppies? |
| 02:18.05 | yottzumm | what reads that line? |
| 02:18.06 | dvs | Azar: WHO!?!? |
| 02:18.08 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:18.12 | KerPlunk | !tell Milk about anyone |
| 02:18.18 | Azar | :) sorry I am with the wine on the nose |
| 02:18.37 | Azar | KerPlunk: read up ^^^ |
| 02:18.40 | joey_at_debian | KerPlunk, dpkg wasn't able to help me either. am I to assume that I'm now on my own, here? |
| 02:18.48 | gau | Milk: via floppies .... em ... |
| 02:18.52 | dabaR | yottzumm: does it have auto eth0? |
| 02:18.55 | Milk | ok... let me rephrase... I'm having problems installing debian on an old world mac using floppies.. getting a Kernel Panic |
| 02:18.57 | Teltariat | On a totally unrelated note and for no apparent reason, I must do my duty and proclaim the rockage and ass-kickage that is Xen. |
| 02:19.08 | yottzumm | dabaR, yes |
| 02:19.13 | yottzumm | before the iface line |
| 02:19.14 | Milk | gau, yes, via floppies |
| 02:19.17 | ootput | Xen or Zen |
| 02:19.20 | humpi | no one will anwser in #xfce..................... |
| 02:19.22 | Teltariat | Xen |
| 02:19.26 | ootput | hmph |
| 02:19.29 | dabaR | and what, it does not get loaded automatically when you start the computer, or what? |
| 02:19.30 | Azar | Milk the way I heard mac has a proprietary hardware... |
| 02:19.30 | Teltariat | heh :) |
| 02:19.32 | gau | Milk: do you have a network ca |
| 02:19.38 | gau | rd |
| 02:19.39 | amphi | Teltariat: yeah, I've been meaning to give it a go |
| 02:19.46 | Milk | gau, yes.. I have a network |
| 02:19.57 | Teltariat | I run it on Gentoo, using Debian guest OSes. Its swank. |
| 02:19.59 | Milk | Azar, you are correct, thats why you use the PPC versions |
| 02:20.05 | ootput | Hilary? |
| 02:20.06 | yottzumm | I have to run dhclient to get networking working |
| 02:20.28 | dabaR | yottzumm: vs. it starting when you boot? |
| 02:20.29 | KerPlunk | Azar: The list is too big, this ircd doesn't support that man chars on one line, and it would be too many lines and constitue a flood. |
| 02:20.45 | yottzumm | yes, after it boots, I start dhclient |
| 02:21.05 | KerPlunk | yottzumm: apt-get install ifplugd; |
| 02:21.10 | joey_at_debian | when I run gnucash, the font used by the program is not the same as the fonts that I have set. also, the fonts are not antialiased for some reason. do I have something set incorrectly? I tried dpkg --configure gnucash, but it says that it's already configured |
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| 02:21.25 | Azar | KerPlunk: there is an alternative: anyone |
| 02:21.30 | amphi | Teltariat: is it much faster than qemu emulating x86 on x86 with the kernel module? |
| 02:21.34 | Milk | joey_at_debian, did you look in the options for gnucash? |
| 02:21.44 | ootput | ipodder uses bt mostly, correct? |
| 02:21.45 | KerPlunk | joey_at_debian: dpkg-reconfigure gnucash |
| 02:21.47 | Milk | gau, do you have a sugestion relating to the network? |
| 02:22.00 | Teltariat | I haven't had much success with qemu personally, so I cannot comment on that, amphi |
| 02:22.12 | yottzumm | KerPlunk, thanks |
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| 02:22.16 | gau | Milk: hmmz it should be possible to install over the network provided there are drivers for the same ... |
| 02:22.20 | Teltariat | For me, however, Xen just works. And /fast/ |
| 02:22.36 | Milk | gau, I believe I have heard that, but I am not sure how |
| 02:22.37 | amphi | Teltariat: qemu works well for me, I've run the hurd, netbsd, and plan 9 under it |
| 02:22.54 | gau | Milk: ok try an old debian version |
| 02:22.59 | joey_at_debian | KerPlunk: that command does nothing (literally) when I try it |
| 02:23.07 | gau | Milk: boot floopy and then do a network install ... |
| 02:23.28 | gau | you can always move around to the new version of debian pretty quickly |
| 02:23.30 | Teltariat | amphi: the catch with Xen is that you cannot run unodified OSes in it. The kernel must have some work done to it such that it works with the "head honcho", the Xen hypervisor (which you can think of as a special master kernel) |
| 02:23.44 | Milk | gau, sugestion on what version and where to get the floppy? |
| 02:23.57 | gau | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.07 | gau | www.debian.org should have most of the old versions |
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| 02:24.19 | joey_at_debian | Milk: I cannot find any options within the program pertaining to fonts |
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| 02:24.25 | amphi | Teltariat: yeah, that's a slight problem - I've seen quite a bit of talk about Xen on the plan 9 list, which ron minnich is on |
| 02:24.43 | Milk | gau, its a powermac g3 |
| 02:24.52 | joey_at_debian | I do remember that when I installed the program, it asked me something about which font back-end to use. could I have selected the wrong one? I just picked the default |
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| 02:25.38 | gau | Milk: hmmz it should be fairly straight forward in that case. look around for 2.x |
| 02:25.39 | Teltariat | amphi: it works well enough for me. The platforms I need principally are Linux and BSD. Xen provides Linux, Net and FreeBSD guests, though I've only had personal experience with Linux and NetBSD. |
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| 02:25.59 | Milk | gau, thanks |
| 02:26.11 | Milk | gau, I don't see any floppies on the mirrors |
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| 02:27.40 | chadlongstaff | hi |
| 02:27.47 | gau | hello chadlongstaff |
| 02:27.57 | gau | Milk: one sec let me check |
| 02:28.07 | joey_at_debian | KerPlunk: if dpkg-reconfigure didn't do anything for me, is there another way I can change what the program is using as the back-end font manager? |
| 02:28.14 | Milk | gau, thanks |
| 02:28.30 | KerPlunk | joey_at_debian: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:28.44 | gau | Milk: www.debian.org/distb/floppyinst.html |
| 02:29.00 | gau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:29.12 | gau | aarg distrib |
| 02:29.17 | joey_at_debian | KerPlunk: will that change things for all of my programs, though? it's just this one program (gnucash) that seems to be using the wrong thing |
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| 02:29.29 | Milk | gau, hehe |
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| 02:29.55 | joey_at_debian | it would be a minor issue, but the font that it's using is about twice as large as my normal fonts, so it makes the application a bother to use |
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| 02:31.09 | Milk | gau, found one |
| 02:31.24 | gau | cool |
| 02:31.41 | Milk | gau, now we hope it works |
| 02:31.41 | chadlongstaff | gau:I'm tryin gout my realtek now, it sounds A-OK |
| 02:31.46 | chadlongstaff | groovy |
| 02:31.56 | gau | chadlongstaff: :( |
| 02:32.10 | gau | no noise with mp3's |
| 02:32.12 | gau | ? |
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| 02:32.35 | zu | hy all |
| 02:32.45 | chadlongstaff | gau:one more problem to tick off the list :), I'm using Debian installed from Knoppix 4.01 |
| 02:32.53 | gau | I get some stupid noise with my music .... |
| 02:33.01 | gau | lol |
| 02:33.11 | gravity | Since when does Knoppix install Debian? |
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| 02:33.20 | odla | gravity, i know that it has for a while |
| 02:33.24 | gravity | Weird |
| 02:33.25 | Azar | I am using Debian installed from Debian.. |
| 02:33.30 | gau | gravity: i have heard of lots of people who do that ;) |
| 02:33.34 | odla | Azar, me too |
| 02:33.41 | Azar | hehe hi odla :) |
| 02:33.42 | joey_at_debian | KerPlunk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't have any options that fixed my font problem with gnucash. I'm pretty sure I need to reconfigure the program itself, but dpkg-reconfigure gnucash doesn't do anything. any other ideas? |
| 02:33.47 | gau | somehow that's the in thing ;) |
| 02:33.55 | gravity | I thought d-i was the in thing |
| 02:34.03 | odla | i am using knoppix installed from ubuntu from an upgrade from woody |
| 02:34.16 | Azar | heehehehehe |
| 02:34.20 | chadlongstaff | gravity:since always as far as I know |
| 02:34.23 | gau | na its way easier to do a knoppix -----> debian than debian---->debian ;) |
| 02:34.25 | Azar | well my recipe is Woody first Sarge after |
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| 02:34.36 | gravity | chadlongstaff: No, not since always. It always installed knoppix, not Debian. That's totally different. |
| 02:35.20 | chadlongstaff | gravity:important caveat was afik |
| 02:35.30 | joey_at_debian | KerPlunk: I've also tried removing and reinstalling gnucash, but it doesn't ask me to configure it. it must be reading from a config file somewhere. is there a way that I can find out where it is and delete it? |
| 02:35.30 | gravity | afik? |
| 02:35.39 | gau | as far as i know ? |
| 02:35.48 | chadlongstaff | correct gau |
| 02:35.54 | gravity | That doesn't make any sense |
| 02:36.05 | gravity | "important caveat was as far as I know" isn't a sentence |
| 02:36.29 | amphi | !confuse chadlongstaff |
| 02:36.30 | dpkg | Yes, them are my pants today, chadlongstaff? lederhosen of the people's republic of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 02:36.41 | chadlongstaff | in realtiopn to your non sentence it was an answer referring you back to my initial point |
| 02:36.52 | gravity | What? |
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| 02:36.56 | OMwez | in a white wine sauce |
| 02:37.00 | gau | haha |
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| 02:37.18 | chadlongstaff | gravity:as far as I know Knoppix always installed Debian |
| 02:37.33 | gravity | chadlongstaff: But it hasn't always installed Debian. It always installed Knoppix, like I said. |
| 02:37.46 | gravity | hence the question |
| 02:37.52 | chadlongstaff | gravity:it can install Debian |
| 02:37.52 | amphi | it always didn't install debian |
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| 02:38.03 | gravity | amphi: Right. When did it start? |
| 02:38.20 | chadlongstaff | amphi:I don't necessarily know very far |
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| 02:38.32 | gravity | It was always some crappy hack where you installed knoppix and upagreaded poorly to a partial Debian |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | gravity: David sent me an email about my bug . .and mentioned that the i810 driver had been rewritten .. did he mean for 6.8.2 or 6.9 ? |
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| 02:39.03 | abrotman | chadlongstaff: it CANNOT install debian .. end of story |
| 02:39.04 | chadlongstaff | gravity:it's now a very straight forward way of installing Debian |
| 02:39.05 | gravity | abrotman: He backported the new one to 6.8.2 |
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| 02:39.13 | abrotman | gravity: and that is in etch now ? |
| 02:39.17 | joey_at_debian | when I start my system with my ipod connected, debian fails to detect my usb keyboard and usb mouse. why might this be happening? |
| 02:39.19 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 02:39.26 | amphi | gravity: I didn't know it had |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | gravity: that sucks .. my bug(dunno if you saw the report) still exists |
| 02:39.38 | gravity | No, I missed it |
| 02:39.48 | gravity | I'm kind of working full force towards 7.0 right now so I don't catch everything |
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| 02:40.00 | chadlongstaff | joey_at_debian:you might be drawing too much power from your USB socket |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | i figured .. and it originally affected 4.3 iirc |
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| 02:41.06 | joey_at_debian | chadlongstaff: is there a workaround for that? if I connect my ipod _after_ my system has started, my keyboard and mouse still work (though, I can't tell you if they still work when I mount my ipod. haven't gotten that to work yet) |
| 02:41.17 | Teltariat | Sorry folks, I have another lame question: |
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| 02:41.29 | Teltariat | the latest incarnation of Debian is Etch, correct? |
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| 02:41.40 | gravity | Teltariat: That's the next incarnation |
| 02:41.44 | dvs | Teltariat: No, etch is not finished |
| 02:41.46 | chadlongstaff | :joey_ at_debian:afaik you need more USB sockets to get more power |
| 02:42.15 | Teltariat | Ah, alrigh. So sarge it is? (Or was it sid?) Sorry, not a Debian man :/ |
| 02:42.27 | amphi | Teltariat: sarge is current stable |
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| 02:42.30 | Guerin | !releases |
| 02:42.31 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 02:42.46 | chadlongstaff | joey_at_debian:is your USB 2.0? |
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| 02:43.01 | Milk | gau, its not accepting any of the boot images I am trying.. any other ideas? |
| 02:43.09 | mikol | my script is looking for modem_run, but theres nothing in /usr/sbin/ , any way to install it ? |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | !find modem_run sarge |
| 02:43.35 | mikol | !find modem_run sarge |
| 02:43.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'modem_run' (1): (/usr/sbin/modem_run) in net/speedtouch. |
| 02:43.50 | Teltariat | Thank you, and I apologize for asking a question that has probably been asked on here more times than can be counted. :) IRC = answers on the run, right? *runs away before folks can flog him* |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | mikol: ^^ |
| 02:43.51 | joey_at_debian | chadlongstaff: I'm not sure |
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| 02:44.11 | mikol | abrotman: what does it mean then? |
| 02:44.29 | mikol | abrotman: im pretty new :( |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | mikol: that binary/script is in the speedtouch package |
| 02:44.46 | mikol | abrotman: tthat package is installed by default ? |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 02:44.57 | chadlongstaff | joey_at_debian:power seems to be what's up |
| 02:45.18 | chadlongstaff | too late |
| 02:45.23 | mikol | abrotman: i got many packages for speedtouch, including *.deb's, firmawares and drivers but nothing got modem_run |
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| 02:45.48 | abrotman | mikol: dpkg -l speedtouch |
| 02:46.44 | mikol | abrotman: but i need modem_run file, u think that it should come with firmware package? |
| 02:46.49 | odla | hmm...where's my sound |
| 02:46.53 | usuris | anyone got any suggestions for a noob for getting my audigy 2 to work? tried using alsaconf --says it worked, sounds unmuted, still can't get any sound =\ |
| 02:47.01 | pjv | hi guys, can i make a custom kernel on xen, and if i could would that affect my original debian? |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | mikol: i told you where that file is .. it's in the speedtouch package |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 02:47.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 02:47.45 | Guerin | pjv: you have our permission |
| 02:47.56 | Teltariat | pjv: for what, dom0 of domU ? I use a Xen domU kernel with Debian |
| 02:48.00 | mikol | abrotman: fine, let me restart and check |
| 02:48.24 | usuris | is cat/urandom > dev/dsp supposed to play a sound? |
| 02:48.31 | Teltariat | pjv: the Xen kernel shouldn't affect a default Debian installation in any way. At least in my experience. Debian doesn't seem tied to any particular kernel |
| 02:48.43 | Guerin | usuris: no, because there's no such thing as cat/urandom |
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| 02:49.06 | usuris | ok then, is it supposed to give output? mine just sits there |
| 02:49.22 | SimonRaven | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:49.45 | Teltariat | Is "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" really a good idea? lol. |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:50.08 | pjv | Teltariat: i want to have a custom kernel for xen only, and as for my default debian installation that too has it's own custom kernel, does that make sense? |
| 02:50.08 | amphi | Teltariat: with the mixer levels suitably reduced |
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| 02:50.46 | lucasjb | Question: I'm trying to run a binary C++ application that was compiled on some Redhat derivative (probably Fedora Core 4) on my Sarge system. The application dies with the error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found. I figure if I recompile the source package glibc with gcc-3.4 that might fix the problem, but is it likely to break my system? |
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| 02:51.15 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.20 | Guerin | lucasjb: not the library. |
| 02:51.22 | lucasjb | Guerin, it's not open source |
| 02:51.34 | chadlongstaff | lucasjb:everything I do breaks my system |
| 02:51.35 | usuris | what is cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp supposed to do then? |
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| 02:51.36 | Guerin | lucasjb: hah |
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| 02:51.48 | abrotman | chadlongstaff: probably because you're not running debian ? |
| 02:51.48 | Teltariat | pjv: Just make your two or how many so custom kernels, and then put in an entry for each in your bootloader. Something like this depends more on your bootloader than Debian. The Debian init process doesn't really give a flying horse poop, they're both Linux kernels. You'd probably just want to make sure both kernels support your hardware |
| 02:51.52 | fooz | lucasjb, what version is your libstdc++6 package? |
| 02:51.53 | jetscreamer | make noise |
| 02:51.59 | dvs | usuris: white noise |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | usuris: make horrible noise |
| 02:52.01 | jetscreamer | usuris: ^^ |
| 02:52.05 | Teltariat | pjv: and that the Xen0/U kernels have their respective frontend/backend drivers compiled in |
| 02:52.23 | lucasjb | fooz, it's the one from Sarge... uhm... libstdc++6 3.4.3-13 |
| 02:52.32 | chadlongstaff | abrotman:why have they put Debian up on the splash screen? |
| 02:52.33 | Guerin | lucasjb: ok, so here's the deal: you'll need to build the correect version of the lib(s) with the correct compiler, and you'll need to do it in such a way as to not fuck with your debian libs - so put them in /usr/local or such. |
| 02:52.39 | fooz | lucasjb, notice how 3.4.3 isn't 3.4.4? |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | chadlongstaff: how did you install debian? |
| 02:52.45 | Guerin | but, hang on |
| 02:52.48 | fooz | lucasjb, you need a more recent libstdc++6 to run your program |
| 02:52.50 | Guerin | !redhat crap |
| 02:52.50 | dpkg | hmm... redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 02:53.02 | pjv | Teltariat: cheers |
| 02:53.04 | Guerin | that might do something ^ |
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| 02:53.11 | fooz | lucasjb, recompiling glibc won't help you at all. |
| 02:53.15 | usuris | well it definietly doesn't do that =\ lol, i've done pretty mcuh everything in that checklist, how could i unload OSS modules? |
| 02:53.18 | chadlongstaff | abrotman:through Knopix 4.01 |
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| 02:53.28 | abrotman | chadlongstaff: then you haven't installed debian |
| 02:53.31 | abrotman | !d-i chadlongstaff |
| 02:53.31 | dpkg | chadlongstaff, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:53.34 | lucasjb | fooz, ok... what about the gcc source distribution, I think this contains libstdc++ correct? |
| 02:53.44 | Teltariat | pjv: make sure that you do the bootloader config for your Xen0 properly: for GRUB, its 'kernel /xen.gz', THEN you load your custom xen0 kernel as 'module /vmlinuz-xen0-etc' |
| 02:53.47 | Guerin | lucasjb: but overall you're just better not using such shit. |
| 02:53.47 | fooz | lucasjb, that won't help you either. recompiling gcc will only get you the same version you have now. |
| 02:53.49 | Teltariat | g'luck |
| 02:54.02 | lucasjb | Guerin, OK, I do that by modifying debian/rules to change the prefix path before rebuilding, yes? |
| 02:54.05 | fooz | lucasjb, if it's binary-only, talk to your distributor and get a newly compiled binary against your libraries |
| 02:54.10 | mhall | Alright, I have got a problem with VIA 8233 AC97 codec. I compiled up the ALSA modules but for some reason the alsa configuration is hopelessly fucked. How do I reset it and make it forget the old emu10k1 card I used to have with my old motherboard? |
| 02:54.31 | pjv | Teltariat: thanks for your help. cheers! |
| 02:54.32 | Guerin | lucasjb: yes. But you DO need to figure out which lib, and you may need to build a whole bag of them. |
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| 02:54.42 | lucasjb | fooz, but I think the gcc source package contains libstdc++6 |
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| 02:54.46 | fooz | it does |
| 02:54.48 | lucasjb | Guerin, yeah ok |
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| 02:55.00 | fooz | do you know how to build GCC 3.4.4, and get it to work with every other library and program in Debian? |
| 02:55.06 | fooz | without screwing up your system? |
| 02:55.21 | lucasjb | fooz, no I figure that would probably be bad, but I don't really know, hence I thought I'd ask here... |
| 02:55.21 | Teltariat | Hey, lookit athat. I helped someone on #debian and I'm not even a Debian expert. |
| 02:55.30 | _rene_ | fooz: you don't. |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | are you sure you helped them ? |
| 02:55.37 | _rene_ | fooz: I guess you are sa |
| 02:55.40 | Teltariat | abrotman: maybe not. |
| 02:55.42 | Teltariat | :P |
| 02:55.44 | _rene_ | fooz: I guess you are using sarge, right? |
| 02:55.47 | kampfer | anybody know howto use XSL with WAP and WML? |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | #web ? |
| 02:55.56 | fooz | _rene_, uhh.. no, I use unstable. why? I don't have any problems. |
| 02:56.03 | fooz | _rene_, it's lucasjb |
| 02:56.13 | _rene_ | oh, bah |
| 02:56.24 | lucasjb | fooz, Guerin: Sounds like I could be in trouble then... thanks for the advice. |
| 02:56.35 | kampfer | abrotman: ? |
| 02:56.43 | mhall | Damn it. I'm an idiot. I used the Intel AC97 driver instead of the VIA AC97 driver. OMGWTFBBQ |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | kampfer: how is XSL or WML related to debian ? |
| 02:56.53 | fooz | lucasjb, since it's binary-only, you're stuck with asking your app's author for support |
| 02:56.57 | _rene_ | fooz: your message looked like you wanted to ask exactly that |
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| 02:57.14 | kampfer | abrotman: its not exactly, but i was wondering if anyone knew |
| 02:57.16 | threat|idle | kampfer, you need to stay within topic :) |
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| 02:57.19 | kampfer | #web you say? |
| 02:57.26 | usuris | how would i go about unloading the OSS module? |
| 02:57.27 | kampfer | threat|idle: yeah, i know :P |
| 02:57.33 | lucasjb | fooz, yep... I'll see what they say but I think it will be "We only support RHEL" :( |
| 02:57.37 | yottzumm | well, I still have to start dhclient after booting |
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| 02:57.39 | abrotman | kampfer: certainly a better choice than #debian :) |
| 02:57.40 | threat|idle | kampfer, not that everybody here does :P but its good to stay within topic :) |
| 02:57.42 | fooz | lucasjb, what program is it? |
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| 02:57.49 | Guerin | usuris: modprobe -r all sound modules which don't start with snd- |
| 02:57.51 | threat|idle | yottzumm, you shouldnt |
| 02:57.53 | lucasjb | fooz, it's a custom CTI server for Asterisk |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | kampfer: and if it's not quite right for them .. hopefully they'll point you where you need to go |
| 02:57.57 | _rene_ | lucasjb: what is your problem again? |
| 02:58.09 | kampfer | k, thanks |
| 02:58.11 | Guerin | _rene_: redhat proprietary shit |
| 02:58.18 | yottzumm | threat|idle, I know that. I regret trying to use udev on my system. I feel horrible now |
| 02:58.23 | threat|idle | lucasjb, is asterisk any good? |
| 02:58.30 | threat|idle | lucasjb, I have been tempted to try that out |
| 02:58.31 | gravity | Geez... udev isn't so bad |
| 02:58.34 | kampfer | udev rocks, what do you have against it? |
| 02:58.41 | gravity | It breaks from time to time, but when it works it works well |
| 02:58.41 | lucasjb | _rene_, precompiled binary (probably built on Redhat or Fedora) fails with: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found |
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| 02:59.00 | yottzumm | well, everytime I want to use teamspeak, I have to recreate the deviices |
| 02:59.01 | threat|idle | yottzumm, udev isnt the problem |
| 02:59.05 | miki | abrotman: "dpkg -l" found nothing, but there was also speedtouch-firmware... i tried to do "dpkg -i it" but it says" no file or folder and stops |
| 02:59.06 | lucasjb | threat|idle, umm, Asterisk is very good if you want a free IP PBX. |
| 02:59.07 | Guerin | well ... udev USED to break shit horribly, and impregnate cats ... but it seems to be playing nice on my machine now |
| 02:59.19 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.22 | yottzumm | but if I didn't want udev, I wouldn't have problems now |
| 02:59.27 | odla | apparently alsa-base in testing lacks alsaconf |
| 02:59.29 | sylvisj | People, I need help. My mouse isn't responding in KDE (Etch) |
| 02:59.35 | Guerin | odla: alsa-utils |
| 02:59.41 | threat|idle | lucasjb, indeed I do :) do I need to get IP phones? or can I use a headset + microphone? |
| 02:59.52 | fooz | yottzumm, sounds like a teamspeak problem :) |
| 02:59.54 | odla | Guerin: i've done that |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | odla: alsa-utils .. use apt-file |
| 02:59.57 | fooz | yottzumm, does teamspeak erase your devices or something? |
| 03:00.03 | odla | nevermind |
| 03:00.04 | lucasjb | _rene_, Since I can't rebuild this C++ app, I was asking about rebuilding glibc, libstdc++ with gcc-3.4 but people tend to think I'm in for a world of pain |
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| 03:00.09 | odla | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:00.14 | yottzumm | no, udeve doesn't create them, even though I set up the rules file |
| 03:00.16 | _rene_ | lucasjb: hmmyeah. obviously it was built with g++ >= 3.4 |
| 03:00.18 | fooz | would be typical of closed-source software though |
| 03:00.18 | threat|idle | lucasjb, also in order to get onto the phone lines, I would need to connect to a VoIP service? or are there free gateways avialable? |
| 03:00.27 | _rene_ | lucasjb: glibc should'n matter. libstdc++6 does.. |
| 03:00.31 | fooz | yottzumm, did you link the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d? |
| 03:00.33 | _rene_ | and yes, they are right... |
| 03:00.35 | lucasjb | threat|idle, you can use a soft phone with your sound card, you don't need physical IP phones |
| 03:00.42 | fooz | yottzumm, and reload udev? |
| 03:00.42 | threat|idle | lucasjb, nice |
| 03:00.47 | yottzumm | In udev.rules, I put |
| 03:00.52 | threat|idle | lucasjb, whats a good client program to use? |
| 03:01.03 | yottzumm | # sound |
| 03:01.03 | yottzumm | KERNEL=="dsp", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="sound/dsp0", SYMLINK+="dsp0" |
| 03:01.03 | yottzumm | KERNEL=="adsp", NAME="sound/%k", SYMLINK+="dsp" |
| 03:01.11 | lucasjb | _rene_, ok, well that's kind of encouraging... |
| 03:01.13 | sylvisj | How would I get my mouse working again? It's just not responding to movement in KDE. It should be configured properly; it's configured how it was in Sarge. (I'm in etch now) |
| 03:01.14 | threat|idle | lucasjb, gnomemeeting? |
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| 03:01.22 | yottzumm | how do I reload udev? I rebooted |
| 03:01.24 | bwlang | i'm trying to get a hubbed host configured for exim4... do you have to add the domain to local_domains to avoid relaying denied? |
| 03:01.27 | fooz | yottzumm, ah, so it's teamspeak's fault for using archaic (devfs) device names |
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| 03:01.38 | threat|idle | yottzumm, /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 03:01.44 | lucasjb | threat|idle, I haven't used a soft phone on Linux for a while, last time I tried them I couldn't find one that I liked. |
| 03:01.53 | threat|idle | aaww |
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| 03:02.00 | threat|idle | lucasjb, what about a softphone for windows? any suggestions? |
| 03:02.11 | lucasjb | threat|idle, for OS other than Linux you can try X-Lite |
| 03:02.23 | threat|idle | lucasjb, ok thanx |
| 03:02.26 | threat|idle | lucasjb, its free? |
| 03:02.49 | yottzumm | so what's a better program than teamspeak that works on windows, linux and mac? |
| 03:02.49 | lucasjb | threat|idle, if you want to communicate with phones on the regular PSTN network, you'll probably need to speak to a VoIP provider, there are no free gateways that I know of. |
| 03:02.52 | Guerin | threat|idle: fgi |
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| 03:03.00 | lucasjb | threat|idle, yes X-Lite is free as in beer. |
| 03:03.08 | Guerin | yottzumm: better for what? |
| 03:03.09 | abrotman | gizmodo,skype,gnomemeeting |
| 03:03.17 | jetscreamer | i could almost say i've heard tell of some free gateways... but i know nothing. |
| 03:03.22 | miki | abrotman: "dpkg -l" found nothing, but there was also speedtouch-firmware... i tried to do "dpkg -i it" but it says" no file or folder and stops |
| 03:03.28 | fooz | yottzumm, first of all, the line with KERNEL="dsp" won't ever work |
| 03:03.31 | sylvisj | How would I get my mouse working again? It's just not responding to movement in KDE. It should be configured properly; it's configured how it was in Sarge. (I'm in etch now) |
| 03:03.33 | abrotman | miki: apt-get install speedtouch |
| 03:03.35 | fooz | yottzumm, there IS no kernel device named 'dsp' |
| 03:03.42 | fooz | yottzumm, try dsp* |
| 03:03.49 | yottzumm | fooz, I figured that out, but I just copied it from some howto |
| 03:03.53 | jetscreamer | adsp or something... dsp* ok |
| 03:03.56 | threat|idle | lucasjb, hmmm free beer aye |
| 03:04.01 | Guerin | sylvisj: what sort of mouse? |
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| 03:04.06 | sylvisj | PS/2 |
| 03:04.07 | fooz | yottzumm, second, if you need devfs names.. |
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| 03:04.11 | fooz | yottzumm, why not just activate devfs.rules? |
| 03:04.13 | miki | abrotman: i dont have connection on debian, should i dl manually? |
| 03:04.16 | Guerin | sylvisj: modprobe psmouse |
| 03:04.17 | fooz | yottzumm, which already has them all in there |
| 03:04.18 | threat|idle | ok thanx |
| 03:04.21 | sylvisj | Ty. |
| 03:04.27 | abrotman | miki: that's one option |
| 03:04.29 | Guerin | miki: get a real modem |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:04.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 03:04.31 | jetscreamer | or modporbe mousedev if that doesn't work |
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| 03:04.42 | jetscreamer | modprobe even |
| 03:04.57 | Bushito | Can anyone help me?? I have an X problem trying to start KDE on debian. Pitio dice: |
| 03:04.57 | Bushito | failed to initialize core devices |
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| 03:05.06 | yottzumm | fooz, okay, how do I activate devfs.rules. I am really new to udev |
| 03:05.18 | fooz | yottzumm, try ln -sf ../devfs.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 03:05.34 | fooz | yottzumm, and restart udev (udevcontrol reload_rules) |
| 03:05.40 | fooz | i think |
| 03:05.45 | lucasjb | threat|idle, yes, as opposed to free as in open-source. |
| 03:06.00 | lucasjb | threat|idle, I think it's shareware/freeware/whatever... |
| 03:07.01 | miki | abrotman: i found packages with firmware, but theres only this inside: zzzl_3.012 |
| 03:07.02 | yottzumm | rebooting |
| 03:07.03 | cheal | Bushito: please post your X log |
| 03:10.04 | Bushito | (EE)RADEON: failed to initialize. Diasable the DRI |
| 03:10.25 | dvs | Bushito: There must be something else later in the log |
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| 03:10.55 | marty | hello folks |
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| 03:11.24 | miki | abrotman: do you know how to extract file Zzzl_3.012 ? |
| 03:11.33 | marty | i am having trouble finding an mp3encoder |
| 03:11.36 | marty | i have grip |
| 03:11.47 | marty | but no encoders show up in synaptic |
| 03:11.56 | gau | is there an itunes clone for linux ? |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | miki: i don't have dsl |
| 03:12.08 | Bushito | (EE)xf860openserial: cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 03:12.08 | Bushito | no such device |
| 03:12.09 | abrotman | !itunes |
| 03:12.09 | marty | and when looking specifically for mp3encode at apt-get.org, i get nothing |
| 03:12.16 | marty | i'm running sarge |
| 03:12.18 | abrotman | gau: a few .. freshmeant.net |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | freshmeat.net |
| 03:12.23 | gau | just the interface ... nothing more ... |
| 03:12.26 | marty | could anyone help please |
| 03:12.29 | gau | abrotman: tnx let me check it out |
| 03:12.51 | Bushito | (EE)Configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
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| 03:14.16 | Bushito | can anyone help?? |
| 03:14.23 | ambrose | marty, did you try typing mp3encoder debian into google and apt-get installing suggested likely packages? |
| 03:14.39 | marty | i'll look at that |
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| 03:16.13 | cheal | Bushito: please post your X log |
| 03:16.30 | Roey | gau: reading your nick and then marty's, it's as if there's a nick called 'gay' in here. |
| 03:16.32 | dvs | cheal: Isn't "cannot open device /dev/psaux" enough? |
| 03:16.39 | miki | abrotman: i found some packages, is "dpkg -i speedtouch_1.3.1-2_i386.deb" is going to install my modem? files nfo says that it comes with modem_run |
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| 03:16.57 | Roey | gau: (not that I mean anything offensive by that) |
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| 03:17.05 | abrotman | miki: ok |
| 03:17.18 | odla | ffs...does anyone know how to open a file with worker? |
| 03:17.23 | miki | abrotman: and how should i be able to search for modem_run file then? |
| 03:17.23 | cheal | dvs: I don't know, it seems there are several errors |
| 03:17.24 | odla | i'm an idiot |
| 03:17.42 | miki | abrotman: sience i need to copy it only, i dont need other files from package anyway\ |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | miki: did it install it ? |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | miki: just install the package .. copy it after it's installed |
| 03:18.01 | shadow98 | is there anyone on that has successfully installed snort on debian w/ acid and mysql |
| 03:18.11 | buu | Ok scary debian people. |
| 03:18.15 | miki | abrotman: yes, but after intalling, how should i search for that file? i dont know command |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | why are we scary and you're normal ? |
| 03:18.28 | buu | Because I made up the definitions. |
| 03:18.31 | abrotman | miki: it will just be there .. or so the bot says |
| 03:19.13 | buu | So anyway, is there any easy way to pipe video out my gf's svideo card without an xserver? |
| 03:19.19 | miki | abrotman: i think that i got it already but i cant find file =\ is there any way to search main file system to get that file and copy it manually? |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | miki: cd /usr/sbin/; ls modem_run |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | or ls -l |
| 03:20.29 | miki | abrotman: fine, rebooting |
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| 03:21.00 | ambrose | buu: "because I made up the definitions" - that would make you scary and doesn't say anything about anyone else |
| 03:21.11 | lunaphyte | what exactly are "performance issues" wrt packages.d.o? |
| 03:21.27 | buu | ambrose: Stop bringing logic in to it. |
| 03:21.31 | ambrose | heh |
| 03:21.33 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone, i pasted something in the paste bin having to do with installing fglrx-driver, help me out please.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1621 |
| 03:21.33 | shadow98 | snort, snort, snort on debian? |
| 03:21.49 | Fluten | what is a good firewalling script to use? right now i am using arno's iptables script, and it is really slow at banning long lists of ips. |
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| 03:22.08 | buu | ambrose: You know of any tutorials/etc for getting svideo out? |
| 03:22.21 | ambrose | buu, no. If I did, I would have mentioned it |
| 03:22.28 | buu | Oh well. |
| 03:22.28 | kspath | Fluten: you have to ask yourself. Why am I using a firewall to block long lists of ips. |
| 03:22.51 | Fluten | kspath, someone is ddosing my apache |
| 03:22.56 | kspath | Fluten: there are numerous things that can/should be looked at. |
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| 03:23.05 | kspath | Fluten: really, are you sure. |
| 03:23.33 | kspath | Fluten: is the attack really coming from the ips you think it/they are? |
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| 03:23.50 | sifi-xz | Does debian.org using PHP? |
| 03:24.03 | gravity | sifi-xz: Some parts of it |
| 03:24.03 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.08 | Guerin | sifi-xz: no, most of debian.org is perl cgi |
| 03:24.11 | kspath | Fluten: Think about blocking whole n0tw3rks rather than single IPs |
| 03:24.16 | Fluten | kspath, i have a list of 174 ips. before i banned them, i had hundreds of apache processes running, and the server was non-responsive |
| 03:24.27 | sifi-xz | Guerin, cool, why Perl and how? |
| 03:24.47 | Guerin | sifi-xz: perl because it's what they know, I imagine.How? mod_cgi |
| 03:24.54 | Azar | "Io mama im uberleet I watch my fav soaps on Debian Linux" come on!! |
| 03:25.03 | ArtVandalae | Hello, I've installed x11 to my debian machine, I don't run it on the machine itself I plan to channel it to another machine that will run it. Can I use VNC to channel or will I have to use some remote X11 server. I'm quite confused over what has to be done. |
| 03:25.05 | ultraviolet16 | hey guys come on, help me out if you can http://channels.debian.net/paste/1621 |
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| 03:25.09 | kspath | Fluten: have you also considered null routing? |
| 03:25.12 | ultraviolet16 | it's a silly apt-get install issue |
| 03:25.13 | sifi-xz | Guerin, thx for the info |
| 03:25.18 | Fluten | kspath, what does null routing do? |
| 03:25.26 | ultraviolet16 | I have xserver-xorg installed, and it tells me I dont. |
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| 03:25.57 | Fluten | kspath, the same as blackholing? |
| 03:26.00 | kspath | Fluten: read about it carefully if you are interested it might serve you well in future |
| 03:26.37 | kspath | Fluten: consider writing your own scripts |
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| 03:28.27 | kspath | Fluten: I am guessing this is for a personal web site? |
| 03:28.31 | yottzumm | okay, linking devfs.rules caused my consoles not have a login prompt |
| 03:28.34 | IdahoEv | I have script that is owned by root and is setuid. But when I run it from another user, it doesn't have the permissions it needs to do its job. If I put 'whoami' in the script, it reports the username, not 'root'. |
| 03:28.37 | yottzumm | so I had to boot single user |
| 03:28.49 | yottzumm | should I try rebuilding the kernel the debian way |
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| 03:29.29 | yottzumm | I just took the code out which dealt with sound devices and put that in udev.rules |
| 03:29.53 | yottzumm | rebooted |
| 03:29.59 | yottzumm | and still teamspeak doesn't work |
| 03:30.10 | ambrose | ultraviolet16, it says your xserver-xorg is not recent enough. It wants you to have an xserver-xorg version greater than 6.8.99 |
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| 03:30.36 | yottzumm | I know udev is working, because there are a couple of midi devices in the /dev/sound directory |
| 03:30.38 | gau | how do i reconfigue xorg the debian way ? debconf .... ? |
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| 03:30.56 | amphi | gau: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:31.01 | gau | amphi: tnx |
| 03:31.01 | ultraviolet16 | ambrose: I type Xorg -version and I get this.. |
| 03:31.04 | ultraviolet16 | ambrose: X Window System Version 6.9.0 |
| 03:32.18 | gau | does the 915 intel board use the i810 xserver ? |
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| 03:32.52 | ambrose | ultraviolet16, video problems are not my forte... maybe the non-free fglrx-driver package is badly done? Did you google for that error message and that driver name (in the same search)? |
| 03:32.56 | marty | i've not been able to find any mp3encoders, can anyone help me with a link or something? |
| 03:32.59 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 03:33.06 | Guerin | marty: /msg dpkg lame |
| 03:33.14 | madradrone | gau: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:33.24 | tonsofpcs | anyone know a vim or emacs command that will remove every other character, starting with the fourth? |
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| 03:33.37 | Guerin | the issue isn't whether the X binary version is 6.9.0, it's whether the PACKAGE version is |
| 03:33.49 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: I'll get you the pastbin now.. |
| 03:34.44 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1622 |
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| 03:36.31 | REBELDE | checking for header file tcl.h... configure: error: no header file tcl.h found for 8.4* |
| 03:36.32 | cheal | gau: X driver |
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| 03:36.40 | REBELDE | :( |
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| 03:37.03 | amphi | REBELDE: install the dev package |
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| 03:37.12 | REBELDE | Where tcl.h? |
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| 03:38.11 | werjk | I am trying to install openoffice 2.0 but the .tar.gz file only has rpm's in it, is there a version for debian or anything? |
| 03:38.40 | ambrose | REBELDE, there's a tcl.h in the perl-tk package. Dunno if it's the tcl.h you want |
| 03:39.23 | ambrose | werjk, why not apt-get install? |
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| 03:40.05 | IdahoEv | i'm not sure there is an openoffice2.0 in the package archive |
| 03:40.27 | werjk | ambrose, good point hehe |
| 03:40.42 | Guerin | IdahoEv: there sure is |
| 03:40.57 | ambrose | IdahoEv, the openoffice.org-writer etc in side is version 2.x |
| 03:41.03 | ambrose | s/side/sid/ |
| 03:41.04 | tyranix | IdahoEv: There is in testing and unstable. |
| 03:41.16 | IdahoEv | sorry, i just did apt-cache policy .... forgetting that I'm on a stable distro |
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| 03:41.25 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: I figured that i have a too recent version of xorg. I need to tell it to ignore or force that though |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | !tell REBELDE about search |
| 03:42.03 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: ok. try forcing it. If it works, back the package out, then edit the control file to change the dep, if you think you're 'ard enough |
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| 03:42.17 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: or, the smart money just doesn't use fglrx, because it's shit |
| 03:42.31 | IdahoEv | can someone help me with a setuid problem? |
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| 03:42.57 | IdahoEv | i have a setuid script that is still running as the user who calls it, not as the owner |
| 03:43.03 | miki | abrotman: it works fine, and i found modem_run but i got new problem, file zzzl_3.012 wich is my firmware driver must be unpacked/installed somehow so it will be shows as *.eni file... do you know how can i do this? |
| 03:43.18 | IdahoEv | echo `whoami` in the script returns the calling user |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | i don't own a speedtouch modem |
| 03:43.22 | Azar | I noticed that C Perl C++ are not anymore offered on Debian install as options, why so? |
| 03:43.23 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: so what do you recommend i use? |
| 03:43.27 | abrotman | or anything that requires firmware afaik |
| 03:43.36 | miki | abrotman: ic, np :( |
| 03:43.37 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: I got an ati radeon xpress 200m |
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| 03:44.02 | abrotman | !speedtouch |
| 03:44.07 | abrotman | !speed touch |
| 03:44.08 | miki | anyone know how to unpack/install firmware files(like Zzzl_3.012) ?? |
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| 03:44.12 | abrotman | bah.. i thought it was there |
| 03:44.13 | dvs | !ding |
| 03:44.14 | dpkg | somebody said ding was a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 03:44.28 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: radeon or vesa |
| 03:44.30 | abrotman | !speedtouch usb |
| 03:44.30 | dpkg | i guess speedtouch usb is http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/ |
| 03:44.33 | miki | abrotmanL: there is even special channel here, for speedtouch(sience its very problmatic) but everyone is afk |
| 03:44.46 | amphi | miki: the speedtouch fw I got was in a zip archive |
| 03:45.05 | gau | speeedtouch is a dsl modem ? |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | yeah .. a crappy one :) |
| 03:45.21 | miki | abrotman: that site is good, but problem is that i got kernel 2.4.27 wich uses different way to unpack/install firmware, and most guides are for 2.6.x kernels wich are unpacked via new script |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:45.43 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: problem is that vesa doesn't work for resolutions higher than 800x 600 |
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| 03:45.56 | Azar | the Debian installation manual has an overview with tips about hardware... you guys should read and know on what you are about to install Debian linux |
| 03:46.11 | REBELDE | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:46.17 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: radeon? |
| 03:46.21 | miki | i heared that for kernel 2.4.x u need to use modem_run old-style way of unpacking |
| 03:46.27 | miki | Azar: i know only new one :( |
| 03:46.30 | ultraviolet16 | Guerin: haven't tried radeon yet. let me go try that, i'll brb |
| 03:46.43 | Azar | miki: you only new what? |
| 03:47.10 | gau | you get dsl modems which are ethernet enabled for $20 these days ... so why bother hehe ... |
| 03:47.10 | kspath | not new knew as in know |
| 03:47.11 | miki | Azar: there is different way to install speedtouch firmware for different kernels |
| 03:47.20 | miki | gau: i got this one for free |
| 03:47.35 | Azar | miki why are you so sure speedtouch is ideal for Debian linux? |
| 03:47.37 | gau | miki: yeah free is not always "free" ;) |
| 03:48.01 | miki | gau: if u assume that time is money, then probabaly $20 one would be cheaper, yeah :P |
| 03:48.02 | Azar | miki go buy an adequate one that works ok with Debian linux |
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| 03:48.26 | pipeline | If I copy files to an OSX-formatted disk using regular GNU "cp", what will happen on the OSX end? |
| 03:48.29 | pipeline | Will the macintosh even read the damn thing? |
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| 03:48.38 | Paivakil | anybody know why amd64.debian.net is timing out for me? |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | ask #debian-amd64 |
| 03:48.50 | gau | buy some chinese crap like huangui or somethig ;) |
| 03:48.51 | IdahoEv | pipeline: it should work fine |
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| 03:48.55 | abrotman | pipeline: formatted to what ? |
| 03:48.55 | miki | Azar: this one works, its just hard to install |
| 03:49.07 | Azar | pipeline heck if I understand what you are saying |
| 03:49.09 | pipeline | abrotman: HFS+, of course. |
| 03:49.10 | Paivakil | abrotman: nobody there knows |
| 03:49.11 | miki | Azar: basic debian install disk comes with drivers for it |
| 03:49.14 | Phated | pipeline: Yeah, why not? As long as you can write to HFS+, which you apparently can since you can do cp. |
| 03:49.21 | pipeline | IdahoEv: So the lack of a resource fork isn't going to freak out the target system? |
| 03:49.34 | Phated | pipeline: Never has for me. |
| 03:49.43 | IdahoEv | pipeline: no, i believe it just creates a file with no resource fork, or with an empty one |
| 03:49.43 | Azar | miki then well is your battle there |
| 03:50.02 | pipeline | Phated: I take it you've done this? |
| 03:50.03 | gau | miki:you have to google for more information ... |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | Paivakil: is that supposed to be the url ? |
| 03:50.06 | IdahoEv | pipeline: i use scp and rsync between my linux boxen and my macs pretty much all the time |
| 03:50.21 | abrotman | Paivakil: any chance you're on comcast? |
| 03:50.29 | pipeline | IdahoEv: Yeah, but in that case, it's OSX doing the HFS+ writing. I 'm writing from a linux machine. |
| 03:50.34 | pipeline | IdahoEv: Ah well, not much else I can do. |
| 03:50.39 | Phated | pipeline: I've written to my OSX formatted iPod with Linux, and it worked fine after on OSX. |
| 03:50.42 | miki | Azar, gau: all i need is tokno how to unpack firmware with older kernel(2.4.xx), i got everything else installed and script ready :) |
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| 03:50.59 | IdahoEv | pipeline: well, give it a try. If your linux box will mount the drive, i suspect it will write files no trouble. |
| 03:51.08 | Azar | miki prolly that firmware was written for a windows machine so it might not work |
| 03:51.10 | abrotman | yeah .. like ntfs :) |
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| 03:51.50 | miki | Azar: it will work lol, speedtouch is just bxtch to install |
| 03:51.54 | oracle^ | hi |
| 03:52.13 | miki | Azar: i know ppl who made it ;P |
| 03:52.13 | pipeline | Phated: Heh, the ipod is a special case. It doesn't even use the resource fork :P |
| 03:52.13 | Azar | miki what I want to say: Debian does not write firmware for devices |
| 03:52.35 | miki | Azar: but speedtouch writes for unix/mac |
| 03:52.45 | Phated | pipeline: Well... all right, but HFS+ is HFS+ and so on. :) |
| 03:52.51 | Azar | miki then go to their irc and ask.. |
| 03:52.53 | oracle^ | i've browsed the bitchx's faq, but i can't find what i'm looking for :/ is there a way to open a new window when someone sends me a priv msg? |
| 03:52.54 | yottzumm | do you have to build the kernel the debian way to get udev working? |
| 03:53.05 | yottzumm | my sound, I still have to create the devices myself |
| 03:53.06 | Phated | #bitchx, prolly. |
| 03:53.13 | miki | Azar: this is firmware from Thomson company =\ they dont have irc |
| 03:53.15 | pipeline | Phated: Ah well. Worst comes to worst, someone on the other end has to run "Macdrive" on windows to add type data to the files :P |
| 03:53.28 | Azar | miki write them, call them |
| 03:53.39 | Azar | mail, email, phone whatever |
| 03:53.45 | Phated | pipeline: Hear hear. |
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| 03:54.01 | yottzumm | to get teamspeak working |
| 03:54.02 | miki | Azar: id rather f*ck them :P |
| 03:54.14 | Azar | miki so far I see you f*ck with us |
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| 03:54.52 | Azar | bye |
| 03:55.05 | miki | cyu |
| 03:55.06 | yottzumm | is there a cross platform voice chat where you don't have to pick people to add them to a channel, they just join a central place, and pick their own channel |
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| 03:55.59 | Phated | Try Ventrilo. |
| 03:56.05 | Guerin | yottzumm: i tried to find something like this ages ago |
| 03:56.20 | Phated | Not sure if they have all their clients out yet tho - see their website. :) |
| 03:56.23 | Guerin | there only really seem to be proprietary options, and I could never get teamspeak working either |
| 03:57.01 | yottzumm | well, I can get teamspeak working want me to send you a script? |
| 03:57.05 | raden | Office kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold <<< where would syslogd be getting a threshhold number from ? |
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| 03:58.05 | _rene_ | raden: I'd guess the kernel sources... |
| 03:58.18 | raden | *bangs head on desk * |
| 03:58.28 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:58.32 | abrotman | !captain obvious _rene_ |
| 03:58.53 | _rene_ | :) |
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| 04:00.13 | _rene_ | hey, you never know what type of person someone in this channel is, expeciallly if you're not here that long. here are people whithout clue and brain sometimes, so... ;-) |
| 04:00.23 | Guerin | yottzumm: no, i gave up years ago |
| 04:00.33 | aaronlin | I am currently running GNOME; I am relatively new to Debian GNU/Linux. What program can I use to look up network configurations/settings/devices? |
| 04:00.52 | Guerin | aaronlin: read /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:00.53 | yottzumm | Guerin, maybe I should write something |
| 04:00.57 | abrotman | _rene_: i never noticed that .. i mean .. here i've been thinking everyone who joins here is at least a rocket scientist .. if not nuclear physicist |
| 04:00.57 | Guerin | aaronlin: and man interfaces |
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| 04:01.37 | Guerin | scientific rockets, no less |
| 04:01.47 | abrotman | i mean .. they at least have basic reading skills .. right? |
| 04:02.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you should know better ;) |
| 04:02.09 | Guerin | !pal abrotman |
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| 04:02.35 | Guerin | c'mon, most of these people can't even pronounce their 'o's properly |
| 04:03.09 | SerajewelKS | Azar: they rejected the quote |
| 04:03.13 | abrotman | !blame korea |
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| 04:03.23 | Roey | ; |
| 04:03.25 | Roey | :) |
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| 04:03.35 | Roey | Spec: Specsmu? |
| 04:03.46 | Roey | Spec: ahh, different one. |
| 04:03.47 | Azar | SerajewelKS: aw morons |
| 04:03.48 | Roey | my bad. |
| 04:03.59 | Azar | SerajewelKS: any reason for reject? |
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| 04:04.15 | SerajewelKS | Azar: bash doesn't have a mechanism for that |
| 04:04.22 | Azar | SerajewelKS: we could snub them and have our own bash-like page |
| 04:04.41 | SerajewelKS | Azar: feel free to set one up =P |
| 04:04.44 | abrotman | there are many others |
| 04:04.48 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 04:04.49 | dpkg | hmm... qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 04:05.00 | Azar | SerajewelKS: bah I hate keeping webpages, but I can save quotes |
| 04:05.18 | Azar | haha abrotman |
| 04:05.20 | SerajewelKS | hmm can i search irssi's backscroll? |
| 04:05.23 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 04:05.23 | dpkg | qotd153 is probably <asg> abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | poor asg |
| 04:05.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:05.50 | Azar | abrotman maybe you were not here last night: suppositories in Debian |
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| 04:06.01 | abrotman | Azar: wouldn't be the first one |
| 04:06.01 | Azar | SerajewelKS: you still have the quote? |
| 04:06.23 | Azar | man we were all over the floor laughing at that guy |
| 04:06.39 | SerajewelKS | Azar: i don't, no |
| 04:06.40 | Azar | when suppositories did not work he tried prepositories |
| 04:06.47 | SerajewelKS | Azar: hence asking about irssi backscroll search |
| 04:06.50 | Azar | SerajewelKS: damn I am not logging |
| 04:06.53 | miki | Azar: i found something, but i dont know what its all about |
| 04:06.58 | abrotman | !flw |
| 04:06.58 | dpkg | <chpUke> Well, I have everything including experimental in my sources.list. |
| 04:07.00 | miki | Azar: " I concatenated the speedtouch-330 ( revision 4 ) firmware into one file |
| 04:07.00 | miki | ZZZL.eni and copied it to /usr/local/etc |
| 04:07.04 | Azar | miki please, I am not interested |
| 04:07.06 | Azar | drop it |
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| 04:07.30 | Azar | hahaha abrotman, wow good one |
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| 04:07.41 | abrotman | there are hundreds of those |
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| 04:07.51 | Guerin | they're all from about a year ago |
| 04:07.58 | securityparanoia | hello |
| 04:08.02 | Guerin | before people got sick of managing them because there were too many |
| 04:08.02 | abrotman | there are new qotds .. but not new flws |
| 04:08.09 | gravity | There's too damn many of them |
| 04:08.11 | Azar | Id be interested to collect such stuff |
| 04:08.22 | Guerin | Azar: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 04:08.27 | abrotman | Azar: asg patched fortune to spit out qotds iirc |
| 04:08.34 | Azar | :) |
| 04:08.35 | Guerin | yeah, he did |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | he's a sick sick man |
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| 04:08.56 | Phated | Yeh. |
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| 04:09.06 | securityparanoia | im not new to debian, but im new at this channel - anyone got selinux running with debian? |
| 04:09.19 | abrotman | !flw |
| 04:09.19 | dpkg | it has been said that flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 04:09.25 | humpi | can someone help me, everyone but the computers on my lan can goto my domain name, the server is in the local network, I have a dsl router and a netgear router which both allow port 80, anyone know what this might be? |
| 04:09.28 | Guerin | securityparanoia: since sarge, selinux has been in stock debian kernels |
| 04:09.31 | Phated | Heh, I think I have a flw. |
| 04:09.39 | Guerin | abrotman: g'night |
| 04:09.57 | SerajewelKS | Azar: found it in my scrollback, it was at the very top, about to fall off the edge =) |
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| 04:10.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what is the syntax for adding a qotd? |
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| 04:10.30 | Azar | :) could you use the paster so I can save it SerajewelKS ? |
| 04:10.30 | SerajewelKS | gah |
| 04:10.35 | securityparanoia | Guerin:i know that i've installed some aditional packages, and passed selinux=1 to the kernel and boot hangs before init with no reason |
| 04:10.45 | Guerin | whee |
| 04:11.06 | securityparanoia | of course i relabelled the fs |
| 04:11.16 | Guerin | i don't know how it's done, but I expect the documentation of libselinux would tell you |
| 04:11.26 | SerajewelKS | Azar: http://pastebin.ca/38133 includes some of the followup |
| 04:11.32 | Guerin | securityparanoia: but there are plenty of people who've gotten it working |
| 04:11.34 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 04:11.47 | nix | is there a way to send keypresses to an x client window (an application) from a command line? like, for example, a scripted F5 which is sent to a browser? |
| 04:12.11 | securityparanoia | the problem is, that all doc's i could find in the internet are a bit outdated... |
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| 04:13.05 | Azar | hahahahaha ohmannnn |
| 04:13.07 | shingouz | the cdrom on this system is so fucked, it gives me i/o errors all the time.... grrrrr.... /me goes to get a bigger hammer |
| 04:13.21 | sanxiyn | pdo borked again :( |
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| 04:13.36 | SerajewelKS | shingouz: your momma so dumb she give me i/o errors |
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| 04:13.57 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: no wonder, she does not speak english :p |
| 04:13.58 | kspath | !smite Sera |
| 04:13.59 | luisito | I have a question... (when not?). Which things should I backup if I want to make a clean install but have all the things as they are now? |
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| 04:14.13 | HugLeo | checking for header file tk.h... configure: error: header file tk.h has been found for 8.4* but no corresponding tk library |
| 04:14.29 | kspath | weak |
| 04:14.31 | securityparanoia | Guerin: do i need modified sysvinit package, as was written somewhere - do you know? |
| 04:14.32 | Guerin | IdahoEv: /etc, /home, /usr/local |
| 04:14.57 | miki | how to compile two files int one ? |
| 04:14.59 | Guerin | securityparanoia: i *think* the debian init package is patched |
| 04:15.01 | miki | how to compile two files into* one ? |
| 04:15.05 | Guerin | securityparanoia: sysvinit, I mean, not init |
| 04:15.18 | Guerin | miki: cat file1 file3 >> file3 |
| 04:15.23 | miki | k |
| 04:15.24 | Guerin | bah s/3/2/ |
| 04:15.30 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: >> ? |
| 04:16.17 | securityparanoia | Guerin: thanks |
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| 04:16.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: works |
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| 04:21.14 | Tortel | should I clear my apt cache? |
| 04:21.19 | Tortel | its like 2.5gb now... |
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| 04:21.47 | securityparanoia | Tortel: depends |
| 04:21.48 | shingouz | Tortel: no, just get more hd ;) |
| 04:22.01 | bwlang | Tortel: i can think of no reason not to... |
| 04:22.18 | Tortel | im connected to the internet, so why not |
| 04:22.35 | securityparanoia | Tortel: in that case... |
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| 04:23.12 | Tortel | wow, its big enough so ls takes time |
| 04:23.56 | SimonRaven | apt-get clean ;) |
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| 04:24.50 | Tortel | I was thinging more of a cd then rm *.deb |
| 04:24.50 | securityparanoia | Guerin: have you done it yourself (selinux)? |
| 04:24.56 | Guerin | securityparanoia: nope. |
| 04:25.01 | Tortel | yay, its clean |
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| 04:25.14 | SimonRaven | apt-get clean is the way to do it |
| 04:25.22 | Tortel | yeah, no messed configs |
| 04:25.29 | Tortel | well, goodnight |
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| 04:25.47 | Cyis | SimonRaven: how goes it |
| 04:25.52 | securityparanoia | Gurin: cos when make load'ing policy make fails with filenotfound err |
| 04:26.53 | sineer | I have kernel-package 10.32 installed yet I get install: cannot stat `debian/buildinfo': No such file or directory trying to make-kpkg kernel_image 2.6.15 :( Anyone has a clue? |
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| 04:27.07 | Guerin | securityparanoia: what file? |
| 04:27.40 | creature | OK, so, I'm on Debian testing and I'd *really* like to get k3b installed. As I understand it the whole of KDE is broken because it's stuck in the sandbox or something. Is it possible to get K3b installed somewhere without entering a version of RPM Hell and installing KDE 1 package at a time by hand? |
| 04:27.58 | SerajewelKS | !simple sid backport |
| 04:27.58 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 04:28.00 | SerajewelKS | creature: ^^^ |
| 04:28.13 | cheal | creature: ask #debian-kde |
| 04:28.19 | Azar | SerajewelKS: eh I saved it at lameindustries |
| 04:28.36 | securityparanoia | Guerin: /usr/sbin/load_policy /etc/selinux/./policy/policy.15 |
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| 04:29.48 | creature | cheal, I'll check it out then try what SerajewelKS suggested if they haven't got anything more straightforward, thanks. |
| 04:29.49 | nichos | hi all, im trying to start eclipse, but it says it cant find libjava.so, where shoul i put that? |
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| 04:30.35 | securityparanoia | Guerin: that's a longer story i think.. dpkg installation script of selinux-policy-default failed finding /selinux/policyvers, so i created it inserting `15' value in it, mayby thats the problem |
| 04:31.23 | SimonRaven | securityparanoia: you have to boot with selinux enabled |
| 04:31.51 | miki | does basic installation of debian come with any mirc client ? |
| 04:32.06 | securityparanoia | SimonRaven: so first the boot, and then apt-get install selinux-policy-default? |
| 04:32.11 | SimonRaven | securityparanoia: e.g., append="selinux=1 enforcing=0" |
| 04:32.44 | securityparanoia | SimonRaven: yes, yes i've tried that.. and the boot still hangs before init |
| 04:32.45 | Cyis | hmm.. some day I'll bother to investigate selinux... for now it's too much trouble with everything else I have to deal with |
| 04:33.32 | securityparanoia | Cyis: i must tell you that it is pain in the ass... :/ |
| 04:33.38 | SimonRaven | that's not selinux' problem |
| 04:33.53 | SimonRaven | Cyis: IMO, don't bother |
| 04:34.13 | Cyis | prolly why I haven't bothered ;) |
| 04:34.30 | SimonRaven | securityparanoia: i rebooted my main box yesterday due to a lock up, and it also stalled. some init script is buggered up, i haven't figured out which one yet |
| 04:34.36 | Cyis | right now I'm in the process of re-installing everything on my network... |
| 04:34.59 | Guerin | well, I got suspend2 working perfectly with *no* hassles whatsoever |
| 04:35.08 | Guerin | on a 1997-era laptop |
| 04:35.26 | alamar | gn8 |
| 04:35.29 | securityparanoia | SimonRaven: but it worked earlier on? |
| 04:35.47 | SimonRaven | a good security policy - network based, host based, and not just at the periphery is best, IMO. selinux is for that box where it does several things at once, and isn't customised to hell |
| 04:36.14 | SimonRaven | securityparanoia: yup |
| 04:36.27 | SimonRaven | ~4-5 days previous |
| 04:36.50 | securityparanoia | do you know when actually the /selinux/policyvers is created? |
| 04:37.06 | SimonRaven | when selinux is enabled... |
| 04:37.13 | Cyis | SimonRaven: perfect reason why it [selinux] is overkill for me... I've re-designed my network where the services are themselves virtualized using Xen such that only one service is running per Xen unprivileged virtual domain |
| 04:37.18 | SimonRaven | way in early boot |
| 04:37.35 | SimonRaven | *nods* |
| 04:37.43 | securityparanoia | so i shouldn't have created one... |
| 04:38.07 | SimonRaven | no. won't matter anyway. if you followed the docs that is |
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| 04:38.26 | SimonRaven | it'll mount selinuxfs onto /selinux if you set up fstab properly |
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| 04:39.35 | nichos | ~search libjava.so |
| 04:40.05 | SimonRaven | !find libjava.so |
| 04:40.13 | nichos | !find libjava.so |
| 04:40.15 | nichos | tyranix:) |
| 04:40.23 | SimonRaven | i already did it.. |
| 04:40.29 | nichos | er, that was a t.y. |
| 04:40.35 | nichos | oh, thought it was going to msg only you |
| 04:40.50 | SimonRaven | hehe, dumb xchat auto-completion |
| 04:40.58 | nichos | bitchx:P |
| 04:41.05 | SimonRaven | even worse |
| 04:41.11 | SimonRaven | IMO |
| 04:41.13 | nichos | nah, still the best, imho |
| 04:41.17 | securityparanoia | SimonRaven: again, thats tha plan: apt-get install selinux-utils policycoreutils checkpolicy selinux-policy-default then reboot with selinux=1 enforcing=0 and after a boot make -C /etc/selinux/src and relabel? |
| 04:42.05 | nichos | well,anyone know how i can link my libjava.so from sun so debian knows where it is? |
| 04:42.33 | SimonRaven | actually, reboot first with it enabled, then selinux-policy-default doesn't error out; then make -C wtfamidoingwiththisanyway, etc. |
| 04:42.53 | SimonRaven | "debian" won't know |
| 04:43.00 | SimonRaven | it's not in debian |
| 04:43.08 | nichos | i need to use it though |
| 04:43.23 | SimonRaven | !java-package |
| 04:43.23 | dpkg | it has been said that java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 04:43.23 | securityparanoia | SimonRaven: ok.. ill try it out. a really _BIG_ thanks |
| 04:43.34 | sineer | Anyone have an amd64 deb of kernel-package version 10.30 or by any chance know where I can find this? |
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| 04:43.53 | sineer | I need it to compile kernel 2.6.15 :( |
| 04:44.15 | SimonRaven | the docs don't cover these little idiosyncrasies, even the debian-based howto (which is illegible because sf.net mangles the html code ...) |
| 04:44.27 | nichos | SimonRaven thats what i followed, but ive still been getting that error |
| 04:44.34 | nichos | Error: could not find libjava.so |
| 04:44.36 | nichos | Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. |
| 04:44.36 | securityparanoia | see you around |
| 04:44.55 | SimonRaven | did you install the resulting .deb? |
| 04:44.55 | nichos | which is why i was trying to get apt to tell me where the .so file may be |
| 04:44.59 | nichos | yep, no problems |
| 04:45.11 | _rene_ | SimonRaven: you mean 10.0.30 by any chance? because 10.30 is broken ;-) |
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| 04:45.14 | _rene_ | ARGS |
| 04:45.18 | nichos | ii sun-j2re1.5 1.5.0+update06 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy |
| 04:45.20 | SimonRaven | dpkg -L the_package and see |
| 04:45.20 | dpkg | ii the_package and see 2.7-11.3 simonraven's private gamp collection |
| 04:45.36 | SimonRaven | ohnoz i've been found out (again) |
| 04:45.49 | _rene_ | grr. I hate people asking something and then leaving |
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| 04:46.01 | nichos | so it thinks its install succesfully too |
| 04:46.03 | SimonRaven | me too... |
| 04:46.22 | SimonRaven | nichos: yes it did. doesn't mean it works ;) |
| 04:46.29 | nichos | which is why im here:) |
| 04:46.36 | perdido-- | i downloaded all 13 cd images from the debian ftp, how do i install them from my HD, without having to burn 13 CDs? |
| 04:46.50 | nichos | SimonRaven can i put the libjava.so file somewhere, where it would behappy? |
| 04:47.05 | SimonRaven | nichos: dpkg -L sun-j2re1.5 | grep libjava; show anything? |
| 04:47.20 | SimonRaven | perdido--: you only needed one |
| 04:47.26 | Cyis | perdido--: provided you have a network connection... you only need to download the first CD and burn it to disc |
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| 04:47.29 | nichos | SimonRaven: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/i386/libjava.so |
| 04:47.48 | SimonRaven | nichos: ok. and what's not finding it? |
| 04:47.52 | perdido-- | i tried the network install and i didnt workout very well |
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| 04:48.00 | perdido-- | anyway i wanted to have a backup of the whole thing |
| 04:48.01 | nichos | SimonRaven java --version gives that above error |
| 04:48.09 | perdido-- | so i can reinstall without downloading it all over again |
| 04:48.21 | indole | When I plug a memory card into my USB port, is there a way of predicting what the devicename I'll need to use to mount it? |
| 04:48.26 | SimonRaven | ah, hm, just for kicks run ldconfig and try again |
| 04:48.29 | perdido-- | now that i dowloaded all of them, what do i do? |
| 04:48.51 | SimonRaven | keep them and cat them to /dev/dsp to make some cool music? |
| 04:49.05 | nichos | SimonRaven nope, same erro:( |
| 04:49.09 | perdido-- | hahahah |
| 04:49.12 | perdido-- | seriously |
| 04:49.34 | SimonRaven | *shrug*, your box |
| 04:49.46 | nichos | damnit |
| 04:50.12 | SimonRaven | nichos: i suspect the binary is stupid and has some weird path hardcoded into it |
| 04:50.17 | perdido-- | i mounted the vfat partition where the isos are and pointed the installer that way but it doesn't work, it says it cant' get the package list |
| 04:50.40 | SimonRaven | hm sec |
| 04:50.58 | nichos | SimonRaven any other suggestions? |
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| 04:51.31 | SimonRaven | sec, i'm looking into it |
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| 04:52.00 | perdido-- | i downloaded all 13 cd images from the debian ftp, how do i install them from my HD, without having to burn 13 CDs? i mounted the vfat partition where the isos are and pointed the installer that way but it doesn't work, it says it cant' get the package list |
| 04:52.16 | bcc_ | hi guys, is it possilble to join a remote x session? |
| 04:52.23 | SimonRaven | install guide i thinks mentions installing from .iso |
| 04:52.46 | ArtVandalae | bcc_, vnc? |
| 04:52.59 | perdido-- | sSimonRaven: i already read all the documentation i could find and still found nothing |
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| 04:53.04 | bcc_ | ArtVandalae: nah, i need to join an existing session of xorg |
| 04:53.18 | bcc_ | not one started with a vnc server |
| 04:53.40 | Dewi | sudo has suddenly gone nuts... $HOME isn't defined anymore. Does anyone know how this could happen? |
| 04:54.14 | Dewi | the only thing I've been playing with is apache |
| 04:54.23 | Dewi | but I did chmod my home directory and /root to make them less accessible |
| 04:54.26 | perdido-- | anyone, please help, i need to install the os before i can go home and it's really late |
| 04:54.36 | Dewi | but now that I've restored them to default perms, this funky sudo behaviour persists |
| 04:55.47 | ice_1963 | well install it then :0 |
| 04:55.56 | perdido-- | i downloaded all 13 cd images from the debian ftp, how do i install them from my HD, without having to burn 13 CDs? i mounted the vfat partition where the isos are and pointed the installer that way but it doesn't work, it says it cant' get the package list. |
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| 04:56.15 | miki | are there any good gfx interfaces for debian ? all i got currently is small netinstall command prompt |
| 04:56.34 | Cyis | either listen to the help given or ignore it... but don't keep repeating yourself |
| 04:56.56 | wuming | is there any program that can tell me the network trafic status? like in/out rate |
| 04:57.22 | SimonRaven | !install guide |
| 04:57.22 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 04:57.30 | SimonRaven | perdido--: ^^ that thing? |
| 04:57.34 | miki | wuming: how about baic ifconf? |
| 04:57.51 | nichos | SimonRaven any luck? i couldnt find anything on the interweb |
| 04:58.08 | aaronlin | !dpkg sid |
| 04:58.09 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 04:58.11 | perdido-- | SimonRaven: ok, i'll read it again |
| 04:59.12 | aaronlin | !dpkg unstable |
| 04:59.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 04:59.51 | ice_1963 | msg dpkg sid |
| 05:00.35 | wuming | miki, not enough information comes with ifconfig |
| 05:00.53 | wuming | miki, I'm trying to get a realtime network traficing status |
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| 05:01.02 | Guerin | wuming: iptraf |
| 05:01.28 | Guerin | wuming: ntop, etc also, but iptraf is the one which is industrial strength |
| 05:01.46 | perdido-- | SimonRaven: Again, found nothing in tha installer |
| 05:01.49 | wuming | ok let me try .thx |
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| 05:03.36 | perdido-- | SimonRaven: Again, found nothing in tha installeation guide |
| 05:03.41 | perdido-- | SimonRaven: Again, found nothing in tha installation guide |
| 05:03.51 | nichos | and again and again |
| 05:04.30 | IdahoEv | I need to run a command (/usr/sbin/faxstate) with root privs , from a PHP web script (user www-data). What's the best/safest way to set that up? |
| 05:04.59 | Guerin | IdahoEv: the best way is to not do it at all. |
| 05:05.06 | Guerin | root over php |
| 05:05.07 | Guerin | eeech |
| 05:05.09 | perdido-- | well thanks for nothing, i thought we were here to help each other |
| 05:05.46 | Guerin | perdido--: we don't owe you anything |
| 05:05.50 | SimonRaven | perdido--: burn a cd then. just the first will do |
| 05:06.03 | Azar | perdido--: you cannot do it at home? from the net? |
| 05:06.08 | nichos | perdido-- if no one knows, don't get upset, but a few more CD's, they like $0.02 |
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| 05:06.43 | perdido-- | SimonRaven: i already burned a CD, but i want also to install packages from the other CDS, apt cant find them in my other hd even when i point it at them |
| 05:06.45 | opnsrc | How do I set a static local IP address |
| 05:06.47 | SimonRaven | BTW, we're volunteers, if you want "professional" support, hire us, or go install RHEL and go ask them |
| 05:06.48 | Azar | perdido--: with Debian you need time and patience, I see you do not have these prerequisites |
| 05:06.52 | opnsrc | IE: 192.168.1.100 ? |
| 05:06.53 | Guerin | perdido--: one cd will install a bunch of stuff. You can mount the others via loopback and add them using apt-cdrom, or you can copy the packagelists someplace and make a local repository |
| 05:06.54 | nichos | SimonRaven the reason for all of this, is because when i use apt's version of eclipse and java, i get this on a hello world: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MOq4DN74.html |
| 05:07.04 | perdido-- | nichos: i cant find blank cds at 3 in the morning |
| 05:07.09 | Guerin | opnsrc: man interfaces |
| 05:07.15 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 05:07.25 | SimonRaven | perdido--: cd install is only needed for the base install. you can just comment out the cd-rom entry in sources.list |
| 05:07.36 | nichos | perdido-- ? no walmart? either that, or wait until the morning - dont get huffy, no one is getting paid here |
| 05:07.43 | _rene_ | nichos: show me your HelloWorld please... |
| 05:07.56 | SimonRaven | and the way you install is chosen by you. if you made a choice you didn't want, then correct it |
| 05:08.10 | Azar | perdido--: base install takes more than 30min and to get video/audio/x one or two days |
| 05:08.22 | Azar | perdido--: forget about it if you do not have time |
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| 05:08.36 | SimonRaven | not even that |
| 05:08.37 | perdido-- | i have time, and i did it like 3 time already |
| 05:08.45 | perdido-- | but it doentt work |
| 05:08.51 | Azar | bah |
| 05:08.51 | perdido-- | smething wrong with the net install |
| 05:08.52 | miki | Azar: i figured out how to install USB modem and it works fine now :) |
| 05:08.57 | SimonRaven | takes 1-2 days if the video is finicky ;) |
| 05:09.03 | nichos | _rene_ : http://rafb.net/paste/results/ibctVZ20.html |
| 05:09.13 | perdido-- | i tryied net install 3 times |
| 05:09.21 | perdido-- | now i decided to download the whole thing |
| 05:09.25 | Azar | SimonRaven: it took me 3 years |
| 05:09.28 | Azar | :) |
| 05:09.30 | miki | perdido--: i got fresh netinstall |
| 05:09.31 | perdido-- | but i cant get apt to find the files |
| 05:09.42 | perdido-- | what you mean by fresh: |
| 05:09.45 | perdido-- | ? |
| 05:09.45 | miki | perdido-- |
| 05:09.48 | Azar | perdido--: because you do not know how to edit apt sources |
| 05:09.50 | Azar | learn |
| 05:09.50 | _rene_ | nichos: ok, I feared you do evil stuff. hmm |
| 05:09.54 | miki | does your net works propertly? |
| 05:10.14 | miki | perdido--: after netinstall |
| 05:10.22 | nichos | _rene_ stolen from my text;) i need to get eclipse working w/this, and the output is the 1st paste when i try to run it |
| 05:10.24 | perdido-- | Azar: i did edit it, it finds the files but it says it cant find the package list |
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| 05:10.35 | perdido-- | miki: it works during, not after |
| 05:10.41 | Azar | perdido--: who knows what version you did |
| 05:10.53 | perdido-- | sarge 3.1r0 amd64 |
| 05:11.10 | perdido-- | miki: is that the problem? |
| 05:11.27 | Azar | perdido--: just fyi, the sources are made of three parts each tells apt something: where , what, and what kind of ... |
| 05:11.31 | perdido-- | miki: ifpu eth0 would have solver everything?! |
| 05:11.33 | miki | perdido--: no idea, i had no net after |
| 05:11.56 | miki | perdido--: and it took me 2 days to config usb adsl modem |
| 05:12.14 | perdido-- | Azar: i didn't know that, where cand i find more info on this? |
| 05:12.15 | miki | perdido--: but with "apt-get", right now i feel pretty good |
| 05:12.26 | Azar | perdido--: where is the ftp or http address, what is the version, what kind is choices of free or non-free |
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| 05:12.55 | Azar | perdido--: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
| 05:13.00 | perdido-- | Azar: thanks |
| 05:13.42 | perdido-- | Azar: that was exactly what i needed |
| 05:13.49 | SimonRaven | nichos: see, the one i have (ibm one, sun doesn't have binary ppc ones...) but "/jre/*" is all over the places in "strings java" |
| 05:14.11 | odla | damn it's going to be warm tomorrow |
| 05:14.16 | Azar | perdido--: do NOT use non-US it was scrapped off |
| 05:14.18 | IdahoEv | guerin: I know root over PHP sucks. But I need to run /usr/sbin/faxstate from this web control panel I'm making for a client, and with any other privs but root it throws out an error |
| 05:14.24 | odla | SimonRaven: 4 C in E-twon |
| 05:14.27 | odla | town |
| 05:14.36 | SimonRaven | ugh |
| 05:14.46 | SimonRaven | too warm ;) |
| 05:14.49 | nichos | SimonRaven ok, how can i re-install java, just as it was from debian? |
| 05:14.50 | odla | i hear that |
| 05:15.19 | nichos | 19 C currently:) |
| 05:15.25 | SimonRaven | nichos: well, should be working ... try re-doing the make-jpkg and re-installing |
| 05:15.53 | nichos | SimonRaven no, i mean i want purge all this, and just go w/the stock debian java stuff |
| 05:15.53 | wuming | Guerin: iptraf is very good, thanks! |
| 05:16.08 | kreg | installed postfix and courier-imap. looks like postfix is defautling to mbox format and courier-imap is defaulting to fetch from maildir format? |
| 05:16.25 | kreg | can someone help me get it fixed? |
| 05:16.32 | kreg | i've never installed mail before |
| 05:16.38 | SimonRaven | nichos: man dpkg; /purge |
| 05:16.46 | odla | i hope canada makes the right decision tomorrow ;) |
| 05:16.48 | nichos | SimonRaven ty for all the help |
| 05:16.54 | TBBle | kreg: courier only does maildir. You'll need to tell postfix how to do Maildir, instructions should be in the postfix-doc package. |
| 05:17.07 | kreg | TBBle, ah i see. thank you |
| 05:17.09 | SimonRaven | not tory ;). anything but :) |
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| 05:17.26 | SimonRaven | be shooting ourselves in the foot ... |
| 05:17.31 | SimonRaven | nichos: ok |
| 05:17.47 | odla | a vote for harper's a vote for bush ;) |
| 05:17.55 | SimonRaven | basically |
| 05:18.33 | Dewi | why on earth would sudo give me a blank $HOME? |
| 05:18.46 | Dewi | I've been trying to work it out for several hours now |
| 05:18.51 | Dewi | it never did this before |
| 05:18.57 | deadcat | Dewi: maybe its a bug. |
| 05:18.59 | SimonRaven | 'cause it isn't set? |
| 05:19.01 | Dewi | doesn't do it on my other debian system |
| 05:19.11 | SimonRaven | echo $HOME |
| 05:19.12 | Dewi | SimonRaven: it's set on the user who sudo's |
| 05:19.19 | Dewi | SimonRaven: but when they sudo, it goes blank |
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| 05:19.54 | SimonRaven | sudo defaults to sudo user's $HOME, sudoed-to user's $HOME when using -H |
| 05:20.14 | Dewi | well, it's not doing that |
| 05:20.15 | TBBle | Or -i |
| 05:20.18 | Dewi | it did until recently |
| 05:20.22 | Dewi | -i still works |
| 05:20.42 | cheal | it was so long since I was waiting an opportunity to vote for GWB |
| 05:20.45 | Dewi | -H still works |
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| 05:20.57 | SimonRaven | @kill cheal |
| 05:21.06 | nichos | :) |
| 05:21.12 | nichos | im w/ya cheal |
| 05:21.15 | SimonRaven | i *know* you wouldn't, that's why the lart |
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| 05:21.56 | odla | less ottawa more alberta ;) |
| 05:21.58 | SimonRaven | you silly boy |
| 05:22.03 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 05:22.04 | odla | ha ha |
| 05:22.30 | SimonRaven | less lawyers, more regular people ;) |
| 05:22.32 | cheal | odla: hehe |
| 05:22.48 | odla | less .rpm distros and more .deb! |
| 05:22.57 | odla | or wait... |
| 05:23.07 | SimonRaven | w00t! although that's happening |
| 05:23.23 | jetscreamer | still better than gore |
| 05:23.39 | odla | !gentoosmite jetscreamer |
| 05:23.45 | odla | that's what you get |
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| 05:24.21 | jetscreamer | well that's better than the no vasoline thing i got from bush |
| 05:24.25 | jetscreamer | and clinton... |
| 05:24.25 | cheal | !commiesmite SimonRaven |
| 05:24.29 | odla | ha ha |
| 05:24.32 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 05:24.38 | SimonRaven | *2 |
| 05:24.40 | miki | are there any good gfx interfaces for debian ? all i got currently is small netinstall command prompt |
| 05:24.47 | odla | !ralphkleinsmit SimonRaven |
| 05:24.57 | jetscreamer | there is a beta gui installer |
| 05:24.58 | Guerin | miki: only about 200 |
| 05:25.00 | NOthsouth | helo, I`m trying to install skype on debian testing.. and I need this package libqt3c102-mt .. but I can`t find it for testing ... |
| 05:25.03 | SimonRaven | "ohnoz, CLI scares me !!1!1" |
| 05:25.22 | Guerin | miki: install xfce4 if you want a decent starting point |
| 05:25.31 | miki | guerin: yeah, i know that there are many diff ones, but there must be some popular/easy ones too, and im looking for something like that |
| 05:25.41 | miki | guerin: fine, xfce4 :) |
| 05:25.43 | cheal | NOthsouth: it was removed from testing some time ago |
| 05:25.55 | jetscreamer | NOthsouth: use the stable version, iirc ... i 'think' it works. |
| 05:26.06 | jetscreamer | but if it doesn't dont ask me what to do |
| 05:26.13 | NOthsouth | hohoooho lol |
| 05:26.15 | _rene_ | NOthsouth: the skype deb simply is built for sarge. |
| 05:26.21 | cheal | I tried gizmo project today |
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| 05:26.25 | _rene_ | NOthsouth: not for testing or unstable |
| 05:26.29 | Guerin | hrm, just need to figure out how to run an arbitrary script from powersaved |
| 05:26.32 | cheal | it sucked enough that I don't want to imagine skype |
| 05:26.35 | NOthsouth | _rene_, that is great! |
| 05:26.35 | _rene_ | NOthsouth: get some deb which is built for testing/unstable |
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| 05:26.47 | _rene_ | NOthsouth: if the skype wuzzies provide one... |
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| 05:26.57 | juancho111 | I've got a problem. my X won't open, as soon as i startx, i get "Caught Signal 11"... What can i do???? |
| 05:27.00 | SimonRaven | heh, wuzzies |
| 05:27.07 | _rene_ | or some which is statically linked... |
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| 05:27.28 | opnsrc | what's the kde debian channel? |
| 05:27.36 | cheal | !tell opnsrc about kde |
| 05:27.40 | jetscreamer | #debian-kde maybe |
| 05:27.40 | SimonRaven | #debian-kde |
| 05:27.41 | opnsrc | and did my ident work (it doesn't seem to work on efnet)? |
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| 05:27.44 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 05:27.55 | juancho111 | Anybody... any idea on my problem?? |
| 05:28.12 | SimonRaven | you asked barely a minute ago. sheesh |
| 05:28.20 | indole | When I plug a memory card into my USB port, is there a way of predicting what the devicename I'll need to use to mount it? |
| 05:28.35 | SimonRaven | what you can do is tell us where to find a copy of your x log |
| 05:28.44 | damog | indole: Take a look at dmesg. |
| 05:28.52 | juancho111 | How am i supposed to upload it? |
| 05:28.57 | odla | juancho111: reconfigure x? |
| 05:29.03 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 05:29.03 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 05:29.54 | juancho111 | And how can i reconfigure x? |
| 05:29.54 | gpm | what happened to pdo? any ideas when it will be back? |
| 05:29.54 | SimonRaven | !drxx juancho111 |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | juancho111: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:29.54 | odla | juancho111: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg(xfree86) |
| 05:29.54 | Dewi | how do I fix root when it gets "broken"? |
| 05:29.54 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.54 | SimonRaven | gpm: no. no. |
| 05:29.54 | indole | damog: It says it has been assigned address 3 |
| 05:29.54 | gpm | ok |
| 05:29.55 | gpm | the first wasn't a y/n question though |
| 05:30.01 | Dewi | oh my god. sudo is still broken. |
| 05:30.02 | indole | Ack, says it was not claimed by any active driver. |
| 05:30.06 | Dewi | do I have to reinstall my machine? |
| 05:30.06 | SimonRaven | no. |
| 05:30.16 | gpm | lol |
| 05:30.22 | IdahoEv | I need to run a command (/usr/sbin/faxstate) with root privs ... from a PHP web script (user www-data). What's the best/safest way to set that up? |
| 05:30.25 | SimonRaven | yes. |
| 05:30.35 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 05:30.39 | Dewi | I chmod a directory, and then spend 3 hours trying to make sudo behave normally again |
| 05:30.42 | Dewi | unbelievable |
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| 05:30.57 | SimonRaven | depends what you chowned ;) |
| 05:30.57 | Dewi | there must be some piece of state I'm missing |
| 05:31.02 | Dewi | SimonRaven: /root |
| 05:31.05 | Dewi | SimonRaven: temporarily |
| 05:31.20 | SimonRaven | to what? |
| 05:31.23 | Dewi | to 700 |
| 05:31.26 | miki | Guerin: is there any netinstall for xfce4 ? |
| 05:31.28 | Dewi | it's changed back now |
| 05:31.28 | odla | why would you chown /root? |
| 05:31.38 | odla | miki: apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 05:31.40 | Dewi | odla: it didn't seem like it should be world readable |
| 05:31.48 | odla | ha ha |
| 05:31.48 | Dewi | anyway it's back now |
| 05:31.54 | Dewi | but unfortunately, sudo isn't |
| 05:31.58 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:32.07 | Guerin | all going to plan, my system should hibernate any moment now |
| 05:32.18 | odla | Guerin: see you in 4 months |
| 05:32.22 | SimonRaven | now playing - Grand Entry |
| 05:32.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:32.30 | stouset | You know, I love it when I fire up aptitude, do an update, and see that some package updates will occur and when all is said and done I'll have an extra 547 kilobytes free. It's like getting something for nothing. |
| 05:32.34 | SimonRaven | odla: hehe |
| 05:32.46 | SimonRaven | stouset: yeh |
| 05:32.58 | Guerin | damnit, this last 1% is the most powerful 1% in the whole damn battery |
| 05:33.00 | Dewi | stouset: not if that 847 kb was your VALUABLE DATA |
| 05:33.04 | Dewi | just kidding, aptitude works great |
| 05:33.10 | stouset | I keep hoping for the day that all the current features of my desktop will have eventually been squeezed into four and a half megs. |
| 05:33.10 | odla | Guerin: ha ha |
| 05:33.24 | stouset | Guerin: Hanging on for dear life. |
| 05:33.28 | Guerin | stouset: apt-get install openbox |
| 05:33.38 | SimonRaven | by the fingernails |
| 05:33.48 | stouset | Guerin: I assume openbox is similar to flux|black? |
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| 05:33.49 | odla | stouset: icewm is about 1 mb |
| 05:33.58 | jetscreamer | s/*.box/icewm/ |
| 05:34.01 | stouset | odla: "All the current features of my desktop" |
| 05:34.04 | SimonRaven | stouset: yes |
| 05:34.09 | stouset | jetscreamer: fails to parse :P |
| 05:34.11 | odla | stouset: icewm? |
| 05:34.16 | Guerin | arsewm |
| 05:34.19 | jetscreamer | damn.. \ |
| 05:34.22 | stouset | licewm! |
| 05:34.30 | gpm | !start a wm war |
| 05:34.30 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows chunks! |
| 05:34.35 | odla | ha ah |
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| 05:34.41 | SimonRaven | pigtailwm |
| 05:34.53 | SimonRaven | thawwm |
| 05:35.01 | odla | globalwarmingwm |
| 05:35.02 | buu | So. Mythtv on debian. Are there packages? |
| 05:35.08 | SimonRaven | fartfishwm |
| 05:35.12 | stouset | Who needs a Window Manager? Real men just have one xterm running a screen session. |
| 05:35.14 | gpm | lol |
| 05:35.14 | juancho111 | Ok, i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but i'm still getting the "Caught signal 11" error :/ |
| 05:35.19 | Guerin | buu: since mpeg encoders are patent-encumbered, no. |
| 05:35.24 | odla | stouset: ha ha |
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| 05:35.27 | buu | Guerin: I don't need an encoder |
| 05:35.34 | odla | stouset: you could use emacs? |
| 05:35.35 | Guerin | stouset: hey! that's my windowmanager! |
| 05:35.39 | gpm | um |
| 05:35.40 | Guerin | buu: mythtv does |
| 05:35.44 | buu | Guerin: Suck. |
| 05:35.44 | gpm | real men don't use X |
| 05:35.54 | Guerin | gpm: real men need real web browsers |
| 05:35.55 | Dewi | is there some way to diff whole directories including their perms and ownership? |
| 05:36.03 | gpm | like lynx? |
| 05:36.07 | Guerin | gpm: nope. |
| 05:36.10 | odla | gpm: yeah if they're running a computer from the 80's |
| 05:36.15 | odla | links2 and dillo |
| 05:36.17 | gpm | lol |
| 05:36.20 | gpm | i'm using gnome |
| 05:36.21 | Guerin | ok, this thing is STILL going |
| 05:36.24 | gpm | i'm totally metro |
| 05:36.25 | Dewi | or something that can show me the difference between these two identical sarge systems, one of which cannot run 'sudo' properly anymore? |
| 05:36.30 | SimonRaven | odla: yeh. so large and mem leaky it'll kill any box, and make it use 100% cpu all the time |
| 05:36.33 | odla | Guerin: open up firefox that should drain the battery |
| 05:36.38 | odla | SimonRaven: he eh |
| 05:36.40 | SimonRaven | afk. bbiab |
| 05:36.45 | Guerin | odla: i've got firefox open, have had the whole time |
| 05:36.55 | Guerin | that's the only reason I need X |
| 05:36.59 | odla | Guerin: keep shutting it down and reopening it |
| 05:37.14 | juancho111 | Errr... What can i do? |
| 05:37.19 | Guerin | odla: are you saying I can't outlast this battery? |
| 05:37.23 | juancho111 | I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but i'm still getting the "Caught signal 11" error :/ |
| 05:37.24 | odla | ha ha |
| 05:37.38 | Guerin | juancho111: context |
| 05:37.48 | gpm | juancho111: um...look at /var/log/Xorg.log or whatever |
| 05:37.50 | gpm | something like that |
| 05:37.57 | gpm | there'll be a more specific error |
| 05:38.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:38.05 | odla | juancho111: are you using sarge? |
| 05:38.10 | juancho111 | Sarge? |
| 05:38.19 | juancho111 | I guess not |
| 05:38.19 | Guerin | it's gone from 04:56 remining to 05:01 remaining! |
| 05:38.19 | gpm | oi |
| 05:38.21 | gpm | cat /etc/debian_versio |
| 05:38.22 | gpm | n |
| 05:38.24 | Guerin | i'm actually ADDING battery power! |
| 05:38.30 | odla | Guerin: must be some battery |
| 05:38.33 | gpm | shit |
| 05:38.34 | Guerin | see, I told you evilwm was good |
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| 05:38.38 | gpm | that's amazing |
| 05:38.42 | gpm | evil is the shit |
| 05:38.43 | odla | ha ha |
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| 05:38.55 | Guerin | it's so evil it's good |
| 05:38.57 | odla | gpm: didn't you just say you're running gnome? |
| 05:39.08 | gpm | odla: yeah, but i will readily admit that evil's the shit. |
| 05:39.13 | gpm | odla: i just like having a de |
| 05:39.23 | gpm | odla: but if i wanted to be hardcore, i'd go all the way and use evil |
| 05:39.29 | odla | blah |
| 05:39.31 | odla | !icewm |
| 05:39.31 | dpkg | icewm is a nice, simple, themeable and kick-ass wm....the icewm homepage is at http://icewm.sourceforge.net |
| 05:39.41 | gpm | lol |
| 05:39.41 | Guerin | and fugly |
| 05:39.46 | gpm | everyone thinks theirs is the best |
| 05:39.50 | Lin | hi all! |
| 05:39.54 | Guerin | evilwm can't be fugly, because there's nothing of it |
| 05:39.55 | odla | _biggest_ |
| 05:39.56 | gpm | HI LIN!!!!! |
| 05:39.57 | Lin | there is some way to diff not be based on line number, but in line context? I have made some changes in a file but these changes are identical in others files but in different lines (normaly in same order). |
| 05:40.02 | odla | ha ah |
| 05:40.18 | gpm | damn, i need to man diff |
| 05:40.59 | Lin | I will to use a "diff template", if this is posible, I have tried a lot of diff options but it was in vain. -u -c is some of them. |
| 05:41.22 | gpm | sorry |
| 05:41.25 | gpm | i'm useless |
| 05:41.28 | gpm | :P |
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| 05:41.40 | Lin | s/will/wish/g. I could use a sed script but the source patterns is a little complicated, and escaping it will be a nightmare. |
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| 05:42.10 | juancho111 | Ok, i just checked the X log |
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| 05:42.33 | gpm | ooh |
| 05:42.37 | gpm | please tell us what it said!! |
| 05:42.37 | juancho111 | Can't find anything but a few warnings and the "caught signal 11" error |
| 05:42.45 | gpm | what do the warnings say!!?? |
| 05:42.50 | gpm | anything with (EE)??? |
| 05:42.52 | Guerin | juancho111: what driver, what branch of debian? |
| 05:42.53 | gpm | those are errors!! |
| 05:42.54 | juancho111 | No |
| 05:42.57 | juancho111 | Just WW |
| 05:43.02 | gpm | what do they say? |
| 05:43.11 | juancho111 | Umm lemme go check |
| 05:43.12 | Guerin | well, sig11 isn't an X error, it's a kernel issue |
| 05:43.18 | gpm | really? |
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| 05:43.21 | gpm | i didn't know that |
| 05:43.21 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:43.21 | juancho111 | ... |
| 05:43.25 | juancho111 | nice |
| 05:43.27 | gpm | far out man, far fucking out |
| 05:43.33 | Guerin | it's the kernel saying "Oi! You can't do that!" |
| 05:43.37 | juancho111 | How can i solve it, then? |
| 05:43.38 | gpm | lol |
| 05:43.40 | juancho111 | First |
| 05:43.45 | gpm | sounds like a driver issue then? |
| 05:43.49 | juancho111 | How do i find out what's not working? |
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| 05:44.08 | Guerin | i tentatively blame proprietary drivers for this sort of thing. X is typically quite stable. |
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| 05:44.13 | gpm | yeah |
| 05:44.15 | miki | Guerin: is there any way to download xfce4 via apt-get ? |
| 05:44.24 | Guerin | miki: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 05:44.27 | gpm | lol |
| 05:44.35 | Guerin | i say tentatively because I don't know if he has any installed |
| 05:44.36 | gpm | how do people not know? |
| 05:44.39 | gpm | yeah |
| 05:44.49 | gpm | juancho111: what's your video card? |
| 05:44.53 | miki | Guerin: lol i was typing smth wrong then |
| 05:44.59 | juancho111 | Some onboard shitty Intel stuff |
| 05:45.06 | Guerin | !onboard |
| 05:45.06 | dpkg | All onboard sound, video, raid, network and modem cards suck great big donkey balls, and there's nothing you can do about it. unless your time is worth nothing, give up and buy a real card. This goes triple for raid. see tardware |
| 05:45.16 | Guerin | still, that shouldn't cause too much trouble |
| 05:45.17 | gpm | aha |
| 05:45.28 | gpm | i have no experience with them |
| 05:45.30 | Guerin | segfaults can also mean faulty ram or libc corruption |
| 05:45.36 | gpm | so i'm going to give up on this issue and get to my homework |
| 05:45.39 | juancho111 | I kinda... downloaded some drivers for it |
| 05:45.42 | gpm | sorry Guerin, you're on your own |
| 05:45.51 | juancho111 | So i guess that's the source of the problem |
| 05:45.54 | Guerin | juancho111: oh. There's your problem. |
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| 05:46.10 | juancho111 | Great, what's the solution (or possible solution)? |
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| 05:46.31 | aaron | hey, I'm having problems singing on to MSN using GAIM. it hangs at the "getting coookie" stage. Anyone had this problem? |
| 05:46.32 | Guerin | juancho111: oo, beeping |
| 05:46.35 | Guerin | err |
| 05:46.40 | Guerin | beeping from my laptop |
| 05:46.57 | juancho111 | O_o |
| 05:47.20 | juancho111 | I guess the drivers messed with the kernel |
| 05:47.26 | buu | Hrm. What is the magic iptable line to enable nat routing magic? |
| 05:47.42 | gpm | aaron: check bts? |
| 05:47.47 | gpm | i'm a terrible student |
| 05:48.12 | juancho111 | Damn onboard stuff! |
| 05:48.21 | eejay | when I start debian, it autodetects an external USB harddrive that I have connected. when I try to access the drive, however, it says "Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted." it is a FAT32 drive. do I need to enable support for FAT32 somewhere? |
| 05:48.48 | eejay | err, make that FAT |
| 05:48.52 | juancho111 | Headaches! |
| 05:49.13 | damog | eejay: how are you trying to mount it? |
| 05:49.21 | Guerin | !test |
| 05:49.22 | gpm | juancho111: yeah, i'd just go get a cheap old pci nvidia or something...old and cheap |
| 05:49.22 | dpkg | Sorry, guerin, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:49.34 | Guerin | this hibernate business is pretty clever |
| 05:49.46 | gpm | you're in hibernation right now? |
| 05:49.50 | Guerin | nope |
| 05:49.54 | eejay | damog: it shows up when I click on "computer" on the desktop, then I just click on it and debian tries to mount it, I guess (my first day on linux, please bear with me) |
| 05:49.58 | Guerin | just hibernated, swapped batteries, and resumed |
| 05:50.05 | gpm | oooh |
| 05:50.06 | Guerin | didn't even lose my irssi session |
| 05:50.10 | juancho111 | Damn electric storms that burn video cards!! arghhhh |
| 05:50.11 | gpm | yeah. |
| 05:50.15 | gpm | sounds smart |
| 05:50.23 | gpm | but i wouldn't expect it to kill everything? |
| 05:50.30 | buu | iptables -t nat -A post.. something |
| 05:50.39 | damog | eejay: Try "modprobe vfat" on a terminal emulator. |
| 05:50.53 | Guerin | suspend2 just writes your ram out to disk, then tells the kernel to run that instead of running init |
| 05:50.55 | juancho111 | my video card felt the rage of lots-of-voltage |
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| 05:51.14 | gpm | juancho111: was it a rage!? |
| 05:51.15 | gpm | lol |
| 05:51.16 | gpm | sorry |
| 05:51.31 | juancho111 | Anyways, i should look for a short-term solution |
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| 05:51.38 | juancho111 | (that's not including reinstalling) |
| 05:51.39 | eejay | damog: "bash: modprobe: command not found" |
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| 05:51.58 | damog | eejay: As root. |
| 05:51.59 | gpm | seriously though, you could find a cheap pci card known to work well on linuxon pricewatch.com |
| 05:52.01 | buu | dpkg nat |
| 05:52.02 | dpkg | [nat] Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 05:52.18 | juancho111 | yea, whatever, but there's anything i can do right now to run X? |
| 05:52.30 | juancho111 | (besides reinstalling Debian) |
| 05:52.44 | eejay | damog: ah ;). when I did that, there was no output. should there have been? |
| 05:52.45 | gpm | um |
| 05:52.49 | gpm | why would reinstalling helpp? |
| 05:52.56 | damog | eejay: No output is good sign. |
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| 05:53.03 | juancho111 | ... |
| 05:53.04 | gpm | did you have it working before? |
| 05:53.04 | juancho111 | Yea |
| 05:53.05 | juancho111 | duh |
| 05:53.13 | juancho111 | :( |
| 05:53.14 | damog | eejay: try double clicking on the icon again |
| 05:53.27 | gpm | ok. what exactly did you change before it started not working? |
| 05:53.38 | juancho111 | I installed the freaking drivers |
| 05:53.43 | juancho111 | Courtesy of driverguide |
| 05:53.44 | gpm | so |
| 05:53.45 | eejay | damog: same error message |
| 05:53.48 | gpm | uninstall them |
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| 05:53.54 | damog | eejay: Funny. |
| 05:53.58 | juancho111 | I guess if they contain an uninstaller |
| 05:54.06 | juancho111 | Mind if i check? |
| 05:54.09 | juancho111 | Brb |
| 05:54.11 | gpm | and re-configure X to use whatever you were using before the drivers? |
| 05:54.47 | damog | eejay: run a terminal, as root: "mkdir /mnt/dev; mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/dev" |
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| 05:54.54 | htedrom | hey all how do you reconfigure a package again? |
| 05:55.06 | htedrom | i can't remember the command for the life of me |
| 05:55.08 | juancho111 | How am i supposed to uninstall them? |
| 05:55.08 | gpm | htedrom: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:55.12 | htedrom | ahhhh that's it |
| 05:55.13 | htedrom | thanks |
| 05:55.21 | Guerin | juancho111: how did you install them? |
| 05:55.22 | gpm | juancho111: how did you install them? |
| 05:55.25 | gpm | lol |
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| 05:55.29 | juancho111 | runing "install.sh"? |
| 05:55.32 | juancho111 | :o |
| 05:55.48 | juancho111 | and no, there is no uninstall.sh |
| 05:55.49 | eejay | damog: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 05:55.49 | eejay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.49 | eejay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.49 | eejay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:55.51 | Guerin | juancho111: run uninstall.sh? |
| 05:56.02 | juancho111 | See? i answered you before you asked |
| 05:56.05 | gpm | i give up |
| 05:56.06 | juancho111 | :) |
| 05:56.09 | Guerin | juancho111: consult the documentation that came with these mystery-moron drivers |
| 05:56.13 | gpm | look at where install.sh put the shit |
| 05:56.20 | gpm | there probably isn't any docs |
| 05:56.24 | gpm | sounds like some bullshit shit |
| 05:56.24 | juancho111 | Probably |
| 05:56.45 | juancho111 | i shall not install third party drivers... ever again |
| 05:56.50 | juancho111 | That's the lesson, right? |
| 05:57.01 | Guerin | juancho111: more or less. |
| 05:57.18 | juancho111 | Let me see if there's ANY documentation |
| 05:57.19 | juancho111 | Brb |
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| 05:58.09 | eejay | damog: back. sorry |
| 05:58.25 | eejay | did you get that output? |
| 05:58.27 | damog | eejay: is it a pendrive? |
| 05:58.30 | damog | eejay: yeah |
| 05:58.32 | aaron | gpm: what's bts? |
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| 05:58.38 | damog | dpkg bts |
| 05:58.38 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 05:58.38 | eejay | damog: it's an ipod, actually |
| 05:59.05 | juancho111 | Ok |
| 05:59.17 | juancho111 | The only files that came with the drivers: |
| 05:59.34 | juancho111 | agpgart, core, dri.log, drm, i830, install.sh, pkginfo |
| 05:59.47 | juancho111 | I mean, the ones in the folder |
| 06:00.16 | Guerin | juancho111: read install.sh and remove them alll manually |
| 06:00.30 | juancho111 | Holy sht... |
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| 06:00.31 | damog | eejay: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/09/msg03262.html |
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| 06:00.56 | juancho111 | Ill be back in a while... |
| 06:01.10 | RobHu | Which conf file do I need to edit to make my computer load module foo then module bar on bootup? |
| 06:01.13 | aaron | join #gaim |
| 06:01.16 | aaron | oops |
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| 06:02.00 | chealer | RobHu: /etc/modules |
| 06:02.25 | eejay | damog: thanks, I'll check it out. I'm all about helping myself, I'm just a bit over my head at the moment |
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| 06:02.29 | jshriver | greetings |
| 06:02.44 | jshriver | anyone here know of a program you can use to write japanese characters using romanji? |
| 06:03.07 | damog | eejay: Understandable. |
| 06:03.28 | RobHu | chealer: Ah! Thankyou, so obvious... I could only see modules.conf :P |
| 06:03.33 | jshriver | or if there is a japanese editor, how d you write in it? I'm just learning the language and looking for something relatively simple. I'm doing all of my writing in hiragana |
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| 06:05.29 | greennick | essentially my entire home directory (contents) has disappeared, yet its partition remains mounted - any ideas of what's going on? |
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| 06:09.20 | dondelelcaro | greennick: did you delete it all? |
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| 06:09.57 | greennick | dondelelcaro: nope; though i recently did some careful rm -rf* work on a separately mounted USB flash drive |
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| 06:10.36 | eejay | damog: I loaded both of the modules on that page, but I'm still getting the same message when I try to mount -- both via the GUI and the command you gave me |
| 06:11.08 | juancho111 | OK, i just.... Give up! |
| 06:11.26 | juancho111 | It's impossible to clear all the shit those drivers did |
| 06:11.28 | juancho111 | :/ |
| 06:11.29 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
| 06:11.47 | tengulre11 | how to setting gateway with 'rout' command? |
| 06:11.53 | greennick | dondelelcaro: flying fuck...maybe there was a chance there was a link on that drive somehow to my home directory?? shouldn't be, and it seems like that sort of thing should be prevented... |
| 06:12.01 | tengulre11 | is it 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:12.05 | tengulre11 | ? |
| 06:12.23 | liable | tengulre11: yes, man route, add the iface name at the end. |
| 06:12.30 | juancho111 | Guerin: Are you still here? |
| 06:12.35 | greennick | dondelelcaro: if i DID by any bizarre freak chance delete it all, is there any chance in hell (without expensive drive-recovery services) to get any of it back? |
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| 06:13.16 | jetscreamer | hexedit maybe |
| 06:13.17 | tengulre11 | liable: but it have error! |
| 06:13.30 | jetscreamer | but you would need to know what you're doing |
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| 06:13.43 | dondelelcaro | greennick: best bet is to mount it read only, and then use e2undel or similar to walk the inodes and retrieve the information |
| 06:13.48 | eejay | damog: on a whim, I changed "sda1" to "sda2", and it worked :). thanks for your help! |
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| 06:14.29 | dondelelcaro | greennick: that's assuming that you actually deleted everything and something else (corruption?) didn't occur |
| 06:14.53 | liable | tengulre11: well, it might help if you actually said what the error was. |
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| 06:16.40 | jshriver_ | hrm sorry seems like a connection problem |
| 06:16.42 | jshriver_ | back |
| 06:17.00 | jshriver_ | is there an editor for scim? |
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| 06:17.12 | damog | eejay: No problem :) |
| 06:19.17 | Dewi | can anyone think of any state that could affect 'sudo' outside of my home directory, root's home directory, /etc/sudoers, and /var/run/sudo? |
| 06:19.36 | jetscreamer | sudo group ? |
| 06:19.42 | Dewi | I'm not using a groupo |
| 06:19.43 | Dewi | - |
| 06:19.45 | Dewi | -o |
| 06:19.55 | Dewi | it's just clearing my home directory |
| 06:20.13 | Dewi | I'm md5ing all the .profiles and .bash_profiles and .bashrc's against another sarge machine |
| 06:20.16 | Dewi | they are all the same |
| 06:20.19 | Dewi | but sudo clears $HOME |
| 06:20.21 | Dewi | and $MAIL |
| 06:20.28 | Dewi | and so on, my whole environment |
| 06:20.33 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: please lay off the enter key |
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| 06:21.21 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes the sudo DSA does that. |
| 06:21.34 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the what? |
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| 06:22.22 | jm_ | it's explained in the DSA in question |
| 06:22.34 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: DSA 946 changed that behavoir. see http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-946 |
| 06:22.57 | Dewi | .... okay. |
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| 06:23.11 | greennick | dondelelcaro: damn...unfortunately you're right, i made a dumb typo and deleted everything...i'll be trying your e2undel method i believe |
| 06:23.13 | Dewi | so... how do I get a useable environment with sudo now? |
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| 06:23.26 | jm_ | by reading the DSA obviously |
| 06:23.57 | Dewi | jm_: it says I can specify additional stuff optionally |
| 06:24.05 | dondelelcaro | greennick: before you do anything else, mount the drive read only |
| 06:24.09 | Dewi | jm_: but... I have no idea what programmes will need to run sensibly |
| 06:24.47 | greennick | dondelelcaro: should i log out? (i'm in gnome) |
| 06:25.07 | greennick | dondelelcaro: this may help: my /home is a different partition |
| 06:25.13 | dondelelcaro | greennick: not needed. Just mount the home partition read only. |
| 06:25.18 | devsforev | Could somebody maybe help me figure out how to make iptables load my saved INPUT list on boot? |
| 06:25.21 | dondelelcaro | greennick: then worry about what you're going to do next. |
| 06:25.30 | Dewi | jm_: vim doesn't even work by default now |
| 06:25.46 | Guerin | grrr, powersaved won't run my durn hibernate script |
| 06:25.47 | Dewi | jm_: it tries to open literally "$HOME/.viminfo" |
| 06:26.00 | Dewi | jm_: *literally* that |
| 06:26.07 | greennick | dondelelcaro: should i do a remount or unmount and then mount ro? |
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| 06:26.26 | jm_ | devsforev: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
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| 06:26.37 | Guerin | devsforev: make it executable, add #!/bin/sh to the first line, and call it in an 'up' statement |
| 06:26.46 | Guerin | devsforev: man interfaces for more info |
| 06:27.10 | devsforev | Thank you both! |
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| 06:29.02 | ircdevil | say - i have recieved a 1 page pdf which takes up 3.5mb. that is 10 fold too much. is there some way to resample the pdf? |
| 06:29.04 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: do you have any recommendations about how to make software work "normally" with the new sudo function? |
| 06:29.11 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: for example, vim cannot cope with lack of $HOME |
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| 06:29.13 | ircdevil | or should i print the thing, and rescan it? |
| 06:29.24 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I imagine a lot of software will have similar problems |
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| 06:30.12 | michal_ | hi everyone. I've just added a cronjob with the following settings but it's not behaving as i expect it.. what would you expect 0 * * * * /tmp/michal.sh to do? |
| 06:30.13 | CrazyP | i know debian sometimes removes testing stuf from the kernel, is their a list of supported hardware for deb? |
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| 06:30.33 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: most software should work normally; if you know specific things which need home, set up env_keep appropriately |
| 06:30.56 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: lots of software will try and stuff things into $HOME |
| 06:31.00 | A|OnS0 | hay algun canal en español del debian? |
| 06:31.08 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 06:31.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:31.22 | A|OnS0 | ok |
| 06:31.24 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: vim, aptitude... I mean those are the two most used "sudo" programs, pretty much |
| 06:31.35 | michal_ | it SHOULD execute /tmp/michal.sh every minute shouldn't it? |
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| 06:31.59 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: set env_check appropriately |
| 06:32.08 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: appropriately for what though? |
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| 06:32.30 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: what's the policy debian packages follow on minimal environment? |
| 06:32.57 | jm_ | michal_: no |
| 06:34.19 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: there really isn't a policy; different things assume that different variables are set. |
| 06:34.29 | michal_ | jm: well the first field is minutes and 0 is supposed to mean every while the others are * which is supposed to mean any. so doesn't that mean every minute? |
| 06:34.36 | jm_ | michal_: no, it's not |
| 06:34.40 | jetscreamer | CrazyP: i'm not positive but i think that that 'testing stuff' can be toggled by 'only show modules that are expeted to compile cleanly' or something very similar |
| 06:35.17 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: seems like a huge bug to me. if they wanted to avoid non-priv environments, why not use root's? |
| 06:35.28 | CrazyP | jetscreamer, ahh okay. Got a nforce2 chipset and last i knew it wasnt to stable heh... thanks, guess ill just have to try it out |
| 06:36.08 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the issue was removing the env. variables set by the caller which could be used to attack scripts being run via sudo to gain elevation |
| 06:36.29 | jm_ | CrazyEddy: it wasn't stable at the beginning, but they have more or less sorted it out later on |
| 06:36.30 | greennick | dondelelcaro: i can't remount or unmount/mount because there's stuff busy in /home - what's my best bet to get out here? think i should init to single-user, or hard-kill the power? (i want to prevent closing-sequence writes by firefox, thunderbird, gnome, etc) |
| 06:36.35 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: yeah. But now the environment set up by sudo is useless. |
| 06:36.39 | michal_ | jm: then what? * * * * * for running every minute didn't work either and that was the first thing i tried |
| 06:36.45 | jm_ | CrazyP read the above for CrazyE* |
| 06:36.49 | dondelelcaro | greennick: just mount -o remount,ro /home |
| 06:36.59 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: also, shouldn't the man page have been updated? |
| 06:37.07 | jm_ | michal_: again I have to say: no, "* * * * *" works just fine |
| 06:37.24 | greennick | dondelelcaro: can't: "cannot get working directory; mount: /home is busy" |
| 06:37.32 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I've been sitting here for 3 hours having a man page quoted at me that no longer reflects functionality |
| 06:37.43 | dondelelcaro | greennick: cd /; then try it again |
| 06:38.11 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: probably, but fixing the security bug was more important; the unstable version will probably have it updated as wlel. |
| 06:38.39 | greennick | dondelelcaro: /home is still busy...gnome and several programs are running - what's the best way to exit without writing to the disk? |
| 06:39.26 | dondelelcaro | greennick: use lsof to figure out what programs have files open and get them to stop; then remount ro;. there's really no ideal way |
| 06:39.58 | CrazyP | jm_, cool thanks. Guess I'll have to try it out this week at some time and hope it goes well. |
| 06:40.39 | Cyis | anyone know if something's up with amd64.d.n ? |
| 06:40.43 | deadcat | ootput: did you get the email at metawire? |
| 06:41.23 | Daveman | Hi dondelelcaro |
| 06:41.33 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: sup |
| 06:41.40 | Daveman | How's things going tonight? |
| 06:41.46 | chealer | Cyis: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 06:42.52 | ootput | deadcat: oh, just checked it |
| 06:42.59 | greennick | dondelelcaro: so given the choice between init'ing to single-user, ripping the power cord, and slowly killing each of the PIDs shown by lsof in /home (perhaps 50 PIDs), which would you chose? |
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| 06:43.05 | ootput | deadcat: i haven't considered multi-line statuslines |
| 06:43.18 | ootput | deadcat: but for me, with > 7, the date gets cut short, the shells appear |
| 06:43.19 | Daveman | peterS, you around tonight? :) |
| 06:43.31 | deadcat | ootput: not multi line, but more char than your $ROWS |
| 06:43.44 | peterS | Daveman: I was around when you pinged me 6 hours ago, but I was about to run out the door (a few minutes late for something) so I didn't responsd |
| 06:43.48 | deadcat | ootput: also you have problem if you split the screeen. dont looke good. let me show you |
| 06:43.51 | Cyis | be so much easier if we had amd64 mered with the rest of the FTP archive |
| 06:44.03 | Daveman | PeterS, it's cool man :) |
| 06:45.13 | ootput | deadcat: hehe, ok |
| 06:45.35 | ootput | deadcat: i'll probably hack away at it later tonight (~3 hours) if time permits |
| 06:46.10 | deadcat | heheh |
| 06:46.35 | deadcat | ootput: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/ootput_hardstatus/ |
| 06:47.35 | Dewi | does anyone know how to safely get a minimal working environment with the new sudo? |
| 06:47.46 | ootput | deadcat: ew. i see what you mean with the split sessions |
| 06:47.57 | ootput | deadcat: yeah, that's something i'll need to work on |
| 06:47.58 | Daveman | PeterS, how have things been lately? :) |
| 06:48.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: again, go through and enable environmental variables that you think you'll need in env_check or whatever it is |
| 06:48.16 | peterS | Daveman: can't complain, can't complain |
| 06:48.19 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I don't think I'll need anything |
| 06:48.40 | deadcat | ootput: ya.. because i am using the hardstatus you have on my school account right now.. for fun (= |
| 06:48.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it's more about what every package maintainer who maintains programs used by root |
| 06:49.00 | ootput | deadcat: heh. i'll be back in around 3 hrs or so. |
| 06:49.04 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: what do they think I'll need? |
| 06:49.07 | ootput | deadcat: i'll email you updates if you'd like |
| 06:49.14 | deadcat | ootput: thanks. |
| 06:49.18 | ootput | cheers |
| 06:49.22 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: eh? they can at most require the ones that are set in a default shell. |
| 06:49.32 | peterS | Dewi: programs aren't allowed to require an environment variable to be set a particular way in order to work. other than common things like TERM |
| 06:49.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: isn't $HOME normally set though? |
| 06:49.46 | Daveman | PeterS :) |
| 06:50.02 | Daveman | dewi, typically... yes |
| 06:50.12 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, which is why you should set it if you think it should be passed through, or have it set to the home of the target user |
| 06:50.47 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: since home is often read as the user, and some configuration files can be used to execute arbitrary code, it's a problem for people using sudo |
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| 06:51.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the default configuration should be secure, even if it is problematic for casual users |
| 06:51.08 | peterS | Dewi: if something run by root wants to trust $HOME rather than look it up via 'getent passwd $(id -un)', I hope people know better than to use it with sudo |
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| 06:51.13 | deadcat | ootput: my hardstatus is WITH background color when not splitted, then clear when splitted. just opposite to your setting. |
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| 06:51.29 | Dewi | peterS: I'm talking about vim |
| 06:51.33 | Dewi | peterS: incidentally |
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| 06:51.42 | Dewi | peterS: it's trying to open literally '$HOME/.viminfo' |
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| 06:51.48 | Dewi | peterS: cute, eh? |
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| 06:52.06 | peterS | Dewi: wait, are you talking about sudo or just ordinary user use? |
| 06:52.09 | krummie | hi, I just distupgraded from sarge to testing. During the upgrade.. it asked me for the postgresql password which I forgot and canceled. It continued and now postgresql isn't working. What can I do to solve this issue? |
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| 06:52.21 | Dewi | peterS: I'm talking about "sudo vim" |
| 06:52.27 | Dewi | peterS: no longer works with the patched sudo |
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| 06:52.32 | dondelelcaro | krummie: run dpkg --configure -a; |
| 06:52.42 | Dewi | peterS: well, it works, but complains a lot and no longer saves its state |
| 06:52.49 | peterS | Dewi: sounds like a pretty dangerous thing to allow (: it is a bit surprising that vim doesn't look up your home directory if HOME is unset, though |
| 06:53.08 | ArtVandalae | packages.debian.org is down. I just downloaded clamav for Sarge, how can I check what version it is? |
| 06:53.16 | peterS | ArtVandalae: apt-cache policy clamav |
| 06:53.17 | krummie | dondelelcaro okay. what else because it stays the same |
| 06:53.22 | ArtVandalae | cheers |
| 06:53.29 | deadcat | when i type free, i have like 160MB free mem. the system is using 1.4gig? no way. how do i "free" them up? |
| 06:53.38 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: dpkg-deb -I foopkg.deb |
| 06:53.43 | Dewi | peterS: it's a bit disappointing. But it does seem like an unusual variable to not let through. But I'm a little unclear... how do I set it to /root or something? or let it through sudo? |
| 06:53.50 | peterS | deadcat: are you looking at the first line of numbers or the second? |
| 06:53.52 | jm_ | deadcat: free them from the slot and send them to me ;) |
| 06:53.53 | Dewi | peterS: I've never understood how to customise the sudo environment |
| 06:53.57 | deadcat | peterS: 1st |
| 06:54.09 | deadcat | jm_: hahah.. virtually |
| 06:54.21 | peterS | Dewi: it'd be pretty insecure to let HOME through, just in case someone actually trusted it to not be, e.g., someone else's home directory that you're wanting to change their .vimrc |
| 06:54.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the second line is the one you care about |
| 06:54.33 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:54.42 | Dewi | peterS: so reckon I should set it to '/root' ? |
| 06:54.52 | ladyisabel77 | when i print with firefox i see cups/my printer while when i print with mozilla i see postscript/my print and i cannot stamp.. whY? |
| 06:54.55 | jm_ | deadcat: why do you want to free it anyway? |
| 06:54.57 | Dewi | peterS: and if so... how... :/ |
| 06:55.03 | deadcat | 981/537 seems fair then? |
| 06:55.03 | peterS | Dewi: sounds right. or you could make a case for sudo setting HOME to /root automatically |
| 06:55.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right |
| 06:55.17 | Dewi | peterS: either sudo has a bug or vim and other things like it do. |
| 06:55.19 | deadcat | jm_: i am using wmbubble, and the rubble duck is flipped |
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| 06:55.38 | peterS | Dewi: I don't think vim was intended to run from a somewhat-untrusted premise like a sudo environment |
| 06:55.53 | peterS | Dewi: since once you launch vim as root, you basically have the run of the system |
| 06:56.52 | jm_ | deadcat: looks OK here |
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| 06:57.14 | Dewi | peterS: what should I use to edit files? normal vi? |
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| 06:57.27 | ejofee | could somebody please paste for me the contents of a /etc/lilo.conf which allows access to a windows xp partition? |
| 06:57.39 | deadcat | jm_: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/ootput_hardstatus/xwd_20060122_30240.png |
| 06:57.42 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you have a user that you trust, unset env_reset, or set env_keep appropriately |
| 06:57.43 | peterS | Dewi: well, you can use vim, but be aware that if you allow a user to run vim via /etc/sudoers, it's not so different from just giving him a root shell |
| 06:58.13 | SimonRaven | ! command |
| 06:58.23 | SimonRaven | run a sub-shell |
| 06:58.27 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: YOU ROOTED MY BOX |
| 06:58.35 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 06:58.41 | Dewi | peterS: yeah, I'm aware of that |
| 06:59.10 | peterS | poor dondelelcaro, running his bot as root |
| 06:59.31 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you mean there are users other than uid 0? |
| 06:59.34 | peterS | ("but I couldn't figure out the socket permissions for mysql, it was easiest just to launch it as root") |
| 06:59.48 | peterS | dondelelcaro: our users go up to eleven |
| 06:59.50 | jm_ | ejofee: man lilo.conf has an example |
| 07:00.05 | ejofee | jm_: thanks |
| 07:00.27 | SimonRaven | i get ~100 when i do a subtree search on ou=People :P |
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| 07:01.10 | jm_ | deadcat: doesn't work at work for some reason - I guess it's not substracting memory used for buffers and that's what's confusing it |
| 07:01.14 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: your lilo.conf doens't do anything for a windows partition, unless you mean to boot off of it |
| 07:01.37 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: that is exactly what i mean. |
| 07:01.59 | dondelelcaro | ejofee: cool; then follow jm_'s advice. |
| 07:02.14 | ejofee | dondelelcaro: is grub2 better than grub? |
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| 07:02.44 | SimonRaven | if you mean better by actually being actively developped, sure |
| 07:02.51 | SimonRaven | s/pp/p/ |
| 07:02.53 | SimonRaven | :P |
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| 07:03.21 | jm_ | GRUB2 lacks a lot of features that are in GRUB1, but some people would say it's better because of new functionality it has |
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| 07:03.41 | ejofee | SimonRaven: you mean grub(1) is not even being actively developed? |
| 07:03.47 | rvalles | the most atractive thing about grub2, jm_, from my point of view... |
| 07:03.57 | ejofee | jm_: but is it much more unstable, insecure? |
| 07:03.57 | rvalles | is that it doesn't just work on x86 |
| 07:04.03 | SimonRaven | patches mostly |
| 07:04.16 | rvalles | but ppc, x86 and whatever they port it to |
| 07:04.24 | jm_ | ejofee: naah, very basic things work, but just use GRUB1 if you're on x86 |
| 07:04.26 | Daveman | hahaha dondelelcaro :) |
| 07:04.27 | rvalles | it's made to be as portable as possible. |
| 07:04.30 | Daveman | peterS heehee |
| 07:05.00 | SimonRaven | yeh. gonna be helping getting it to work on OW mac ppc, if i can get some time ... |
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| 07:05.26 | jm_ | rvalles: that and scripting when it will work, no more stage1.5, |
| 07:05.34 | Daveman | hahaha ppc |
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| 07:06.43 | tim | when I use the 'ls -l' it tells me that the total files in the directory equals 4 times the files I can see. why? |
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| 07:07.00 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:07.01 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:07.14 | SimonRaven | !popcorn |
| 07:07.57 | SimonRaven | !popcorn is also it can also mean tarzeau just did !popcon |
| 07:07.57 | dpkg | SimonRaven: okay |
| 07:08.34 | SimonRaven | i'll remove it if it bugs you, tarzeau |
| 07:08.42 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: no, that's fine |
| 07:09.52 | ircdevil | sane is slow compared to windows drivers? |
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| 07:10.46 | littleball | hello, how to convert wma file to mp3? |
| 07:10.54 | tarzeau | littleball: using mencoder |
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| 07:11.24 | littleball | thanks |
| 07:11.26 | tim | when I use the 'ls -l' it tells me that the total files in the directory equals 4 times the files I can see. why? |
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| 07:11.51 | SimonRaven | try adding A to that ... |
| 07:12.13 | SimonRaven | man ls |
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| 07:13.19 | littleball | tarzeau, where is the main page of mencoder? |
| 07:13.34 | dondelelcaro | the total line also isn't the number of files in the directory either |
| 07:13.34 | SimonRaven | man mencoder |
| 07:13.53 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: homepage maybe? |
| 07:13.57 | tarzeau | littleball: see mplayer |
| 07:14.09 | tarzeau | littleball: and no, it's not in debian. you want to use the source |
| 07:14.28 | tim | still tells me I have 12 files in a directory when theirs only three (including hidden) |
| 07:14.40 | SimonRaven | it's not # of files |
| 07:14.47 | tim | oh |
| 07:14.58 | tim | what is it? |
| 07:14.59 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro just said that |
| 07:14.59 | littleball | i am looking for the source of mencode |
| 07:15.00 | littleball | are |
| 07:15.20 | tarzeau | littleball: it comes with mplayer |
| 07:15.31 | littleball | ok |
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| 07:15.44 | jm_ | Marillat's repository has it in a separate package |
| 07:15.58 | tarzeau | and is not complete |
| 07:16.05 | tarzeau | like it's got only binaries for i386? |
| 07:16.13 | tarzeau | and only linux |
| 07:16.34 | ejofee | "man lilo.conf" says i should add "boot-as=0x80" if windows xp is on drive "c:"; but what if it's on drive "d:"? |
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| 07:17.03 | tarzeau | ejofee: 0x81 |
| 07:17.20 | jm_ | try using it without boot-as first |
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| 07:17.46 | blind | hi |
| 07:17.55 | ejofee | tarzeau: cool, thanks! |
| 07:18.35 | ejofee | jm_: i tried, it was not working |
| 07:18.37 | rvalles | damn klingons |
| 07:18.37 | blind | someone can help me? |
| 07:18.38 | ejofee | jm_: thanks |
| 07:18.52 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: I had actually forgotten that there even was a total line there, because it's so useless |
| 07:19.07 | ejofee | blind: no, we can't. we don't know what your problem is. |
| 07:19.36 | blind | I want to resize a ext3 primary partition |
| 07:19.47 | SimonRaven | indeed. i haven't yet figured out what it is exactly. closest it seems to be is total of the dir's contents |
| 07:19.57 | SimonRaven | total size |
| 07:20.01 | ejofee | blind: run "gparted" in root |
| 07:20.08 | blind | actually size: 10gb |
| 07:20.43 | blind | I'm using debian |
| 07:20.50 | SimonRaven | at least in the part that it show. changes depending on -A/a |
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| 07:21.01 | SimonRaven | or lack of A/a |
| 07:21.04 | blind | I don't have this command |
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| 07:21.19 | blind | I've "parted" only |
| 07:21.24 | SimonRaven | @installit |
| 07:21.24 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 07:21.39 | ircdevil | !search |
| 07:21.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache ... |
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| 07:22.04 | ircdevil | blind: you are being hinted heavily |
| 07:22.05 | blind | thx man |
| 07:22.14 | ejofee | blind: run "apt-get install gparted" first (as root) |
| 07:22.39 | blind | the file didn't figure... |
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| 07:23.58 | marty | hi folks |
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| 07:24.08 | sare | hey |
| 07:24.12 | blind | hi |
| 07:24.16 | marty | i am confused about gnome applets |
| 07:24.29 | sare | I'm new to debian, and i need help |
| 07:24.30 | marty | i'm trying to run gnome-pilot |
| 07:25.06 | marty | but i'm not sure how it works (it being applets) |
| 07:25.38 | marty | and the whole linking to the palm and everything isn't working properly |
| 07:25.44 | marty | how new are you sare |
| 07:25.47 | marty | how can i help |
| 07:25.52 | marty | i'm farely new |
| 07:26.08 | marty | but i might be of some little assistance (at least i'll try) |
| 07:26.13 | sare | I just installed off the DVD, But the interface was not installed, And i try'd to install it, But there is no internet connection, and im not sure hwo to go about setting it up to a router network |
| 07:26.44 | marty | so you aren't typing from your new debian machine |
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| 07:26.57 | blind | someone can give me a apt adress? |
| 07:26.59 | SimonRaven | marty: add it to the panel |
| 07:27.12 | marty | how? |
| 07:27.12 | nishant_ | Cud neone tell me how to use apt-get????? |
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| 07:27.41 | CcSsNET | yup |
| 07:27.45 | SimonRaven | nishant_: man apt-get |
| 07:27.45 | sare | No, lol im on windwos right now |
| 07:27.47 | CcSsNET | apt-get update |
| 07:27.50 | marty | hah |
| 07:27.55 | SimonRaven | marty: right click on the panel ... |
| 07:27.57 | marty | thanks SimonRaven |
| 07:27.59 | marty | got it |
| 07:28.00 | marty | sweet |
| 07:28.11 | SimonRaven | nishant_: do you have a cow? |
| 07:28.13 | holy_cow | hey guys, just a stab in the dark ... anyone manage to get lispbox running under debian? nothing on google about topic |
| 07:28.16 | nishant_ | yup i did dat but cudnt get a clear idea |
| 07:28.23 | nishant_ | wats cow??? |
| 07:28.25 | CcSsNET | apt-cache search package name |
| 07:28.33 | marty | sare, do you have aim, (gaim or something?) |
| 07:28.36 | CcSsNET | apt-get install package name |
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| 07:28.45 | sare | yea, aim yahoo and msn lol |
| 07:28.50 | marty | hehe |
| 07:29.17 | marty | i feel kind of bad filling up everyone's space here, would you rather talk here or there? |
| 07:29.23 | sare | So, can anyone help ? |
| 07:29.26 | marty | i'm ignoranthobbit@aol |
| 07:29.44 | Guerin | marty: don't feel bad |
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| 07:29.57 | sare | haha. |
| 07:30.05 | Edamorphus | burn |
| 07:30.21 | Guerin | hrm, I suspect hal is fucking with my acpi events |
| 07:30.25 | marty | if you plug in your debian system to the router, and as root type ifup eth0, it should try to connect you to the router, and if all works well, it ought to work properly |
| 07:30.32 | Edamorphus | does anyone know of a good mp3 encoder? |
| 07:30.32 | marty | ok Guerin, i won't feel bad |
| 07:30.41 | Guerin | Edamorphus: /msg dpkg lame |
| 07:30.56 | Edamorphus | cool thanks |
| 07:31.17 | ircdevil | SimonRaven: device a aol-smite factoid |
| 07:31.30 | SimonRaven | !aolify ircdevil |
| 07:31.37 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 07:31.41 | ircdevil | SimonRaven: hehehehe |
| 07:32.01 | ircdevil | !aolify marty |
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| 07:32.17 | sare | It says interface eth0 is already configured lol |
| 07:32.57 | marty | at what ip? |
| 07:33.05 | marty | and if it says it is, but it isnt |
| 07:33.14 | marty | then go ifdown eth0 |
| 07:33.17 | marty | then ifup eth0 |
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| 07:35.01 | ircdevil | !tell marty about enter |
| 07:35.05 | sare | Still doesn't seem to be working, Im trying to connect to the router so i can install teh interface and other packaged |
| 07:35.08 | sare | packages* |
| 07:35.13 | sare | But file always not found |
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| 07:36.47 | miki | sare: check your ssources.list |
| 07:36.55 | miki | sare: check your sources.list** |
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| 07:37.25 | sare | Where abouts? -- I'm new to debian |
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| 07:37.33 | miki | sare: sec |
| 07:37.36 | sare | Okie |
| 07:37.41 | miki | sare: im doing same thing, but it seems that i know a bit mroe |
| 07:37.51 | sare | More then likly lol |
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| 07:38.08 | jm_ | man sources.list ; run apt-setup |
| 07:38.23 | miki | sare: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto |
| 07:38.25 | tarzeau | can someone compile typespeed on win32 for me? |
| 07:38.37 | Edamorphus | /etc/apt sources.list |
| 07:38.55 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 07:39.38 | ircdevil | tarzeau: did you get the wiki space thing fixed? |
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| 07:40.00 | tarzeau | ircdevil: sure, i wasn't home yesterday, from time to time i need to free some space (junk mails) |
| 07:40.13 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i'll move mail away onto another machine soon, waiting for port 25/tcp |
| 07:40.20 | sare | miki: IT sasy File:///cdrom |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | well, ssince I can't get acpid to work, i'll just crib a script to check /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state every five seconds and hibernate if it's closed |
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| 07:40.39 | tarzeau | ircdevil: actually i could use simpleproxy to redirect it from my host to another... |
| 07:41.04 | ircdevil | tarzeau: sure - but keep it simple |
| 07:41.35 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i should probably just buy a new harddisk and stuff it into that computer |
| 07:41.42 | tarzeau | but i fear the new one might break some day |
| 07:41.47 | tarzeau | i hate hard disk technology |
| 07:42.02 | tarzeau | worst piece of crap, right before fans and power supplies |
| 07:42.11 | SimonRaven | yeh. i wish it was solid state. would last longer |
| 07:42.23 | tarzeau | i wish it was faster and had more space for storage |
| 07:42.40 | SimonRaven | that's a given ;) |
| 07:43.14 | miki | sare: first few chapters of that manual should cover apt for you |
| 07:43.38 | miki | sare: u can try to find your own localized servers for faster download tho |
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| 07:43.51 | miki | sare:if u are outside US |
| 07:44.04 | aeronadix | where the fuck do my fuckin sources located on my fucking directory? |
| 07:44.10 | sare | canada lol |
| 07:44.24 | miki | sare: http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full |
| 07:44.35 | aeronadix | Canada is pedophile country, run for your life |
| 07:46.21 | jm_ | Guerin: perhaps it's one of those ACPI things where it doesn't return the right status |
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| 07:46.33 | ircdevil | *sigh* have there been some debian membership drive at AOL ? |
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| 07:46.56 | buu | Yes. |
| 07:47.55 | Guerin | jm_: i'm reading about those, hal seems to cause them |
| 07:48.02 | streuner | !nikometer WhitysSuckDick |
| 07:48.03 | dpkg | WhitysSuckDick has a Nike rating of Ticked off |
| 07:48.04 | Guerin | jm_: but the screen goes off, and it beeps, etc. |
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| 07:50.21 | miki | sare: anyway fist thing, you should download should be security update imo |
| 07:50.33 | miki | sare: i dont know how to get it yet lol |
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| 07:51.10 | WhitysGotoHell | whats the deal with this kernel compilation. I need some kernel sources, and some sources for a webcam, printer, and wireless nic, so I download them all, put them where and do what with them. Suck it off |
| 07:51.35 | miki | Whitsy: get some manuals and read |
| 07:51.47 | miki | http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 07:51.57 | WhitysGotoHell | I gotta reboot my system, everytime I wanna print, or have webcam sex |
| 07:52.17 | WhitysGotoHell | and it takes forever to boot windows |
| 07:52.22 | tarzeau | WhitysGotoHell: fuck offf |
| 07:52.48 | WhitysGotoHell | tarzeau, facts are facts, nothing goes unpunished, hell is waiting |
| 07:52.57 | tarzeau | WhitysGotoHell: nice fuck off anyways |
| 07:53.01 | jm_ | Guerin: hmm I was thinking of non-standard conforming ACPI implementations |
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| 07:53.43 | WhitysGotoHell | tarzeau: you can't imagine, even with a super linux system, what is waiting |
| 07:53.44 | jm_ | Guerin: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Fix_Common_ACPI_Problems |
| 07:53.58 | tarzeau | WhitysGotoHell: you know debian is not only about linux |
| 07:54.11 | tarzeau | WhitysGotoHell: and there's people that don't have usb, or a webcam or a printer and wireless nic |
| 07:54.24 | WhitysGotoHell | tarzeau: you frenchies started this kiddie fucking business |
| 07:54.38 | tarzeau | WhitysGotoHell: don't call me french, racist! |
| 07:54.43 | WhitysGotoHell | tarzeau, Ahh, I gotta return it anyway |
| 07:55.32 | WhitysGotoHell | tarzeau, racist? hehe, thats my nick, obviously, anyway, I aint white, so I can be racist as anything, and still, I am not racist, cause I don't rob no one, or murder anyone, thats the whiity |
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| 07:55.53 | susperia | lol |
| 07:55.55 | susperia | what a retard |
| 07:56.09 | WhitysGotoHell | true |
| 07:56.12 | tarzeau | susperia: who? |
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| 07:56.17 | WhitysGotoHell | me |
| 07:56.24 | jrf | piss off WhitysGotoHell |
| 07:56.34 | tarzeau | jrf: would be easier if someone had op |
| 07:56.47 | susperia | no let the 15 year olds entertain us :) |
| 07:56.52 | jrf | hey gang, got a question |
| 07:56.53 | susperia | no harm done (on us) |
| 07:56.57 | WhitysGotoHell | I know all you linux dudes are nazis |
| 07:57.03 | tarzeau | WhitysGotoHell: FUCK OFF |
| 07:57.05 | jrf | I recently tried to compile vpnc on debian |
| 07:57.14 | jrf | (cisco vpnclient) |
| 07:57.17 | susperia | WhitysGotoHell: yes, ALois Hitler wrote the first USB driver for the linux kernel |
| 07:57.22 | WhitysGotoHell | I only use it cause its faster, otherwise fuck you nazis |
| 07:57.25 | susperia | and then VW bought the Linux patent |
| 07:57.33 | jrf | turns out I need a /lib/modules/$foo/build dir |
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| 07:57.46 | jm_ | jrf: that's asymlink, not a dir |
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| 07:57.51 | jrf | I went digging with apt-cache for what I need |
| 07:57.54 | jrf | aaah |
| 07:57.54 | ircdevil | !ops <WhitysGotoHell> I know all you linux dudes are nazis |
| 07:57.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: <WhitysGotoHell> I know all you linux dudes are nazis |
| 07:57.55 | WhitysGotoHell | Oh yeah what about those dictator channels that were so popular here a while back, all nazis |
| 07:58.04 | jrf | nuts - right |
| 07:58.05 | jm_ | jrf: apt-cache doesn't search for files -- /msg dpkg search |
| 07:58.10 | ambrose | WhitysGotoHell, perhaps you should ask in a kernel channel: oftc.net #kernelnewbies |
| 07:58.12 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i always forget that command, let me do a shortcut for it |
| 07:58.19 | SerajewelKS | someone give me a random adjective |
| 07:58.42 | WhitysGotoHell | evil |
| 07:58.44 | WhitysGotoHell | is that one? |
| 07:58.46 | jrf | I remember that form when I ran slack on this box, it is a build reachover for the sources of the current kernel |
| 07:58.51 | WhitysGotoHell | or evilish? |
| 07:58.52 | jrf | s/form/from |
| 07:59.07 | SerajewelKS | WhitysGotoHell: yeah evil is, not exactly what i'm looking for though |
| 07:59.10 | jrf | jm: apt-cache yeah I know - I was generalizing :) |
| 07:59.14 | jrf | thx |
| 07:59.20 | WhitysGotoHell | english is my only language, what a raw deal, I have to speak the devil language |
| 07:59.23 | ircdevil | hrm - where did our ops go? |
| 07:59.28 | jrf | jm: thx, I needed a brainjog |
| 07:59.29 | jm_ | indeed, you most likely need kernel-headers |
| 07:59.32 | jm_ | jrf: ^^^^^ |
| 07:59.34 | tarzeau | ircdevil: #debian-devel |
| 08:00.15 | susperia | hrm perl/spamd errors are slowly working their way up my ass. |
| 08:00.44 | jrf | euhehehe |
| 08:00.53 | ircdevil | tarzeau: no traffic there |
| 08:01.00 | streuner_ | ircdevil: they are here if you don't need them ;-) |
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| 08:01.18 | ircdevil | streuner_: sublaw of murphy's |
| 08:01.27 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 08:01.27 | chrismaster | hi, after security update of hylafax-server i get dpkg: error processing hylafax-server (--configure): , how can i see where the problem is? |
| 08:01.38 | Edamorphus | can anyone help me install lame? |
| 08:01.44 | jrf | all: I am doing the lpic-1 101Debian in a few weeks if anyone has any questions |
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| 08:01.55 | ircdevil | Edamorphus: apt-get install lame ? |
| 08:02.00 | tarzeau | Edamorphus: download the source |
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| 08:02.03 | tarzeau | ircdevil: it's not in main |
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| 08:02.11 | ircdevil | Edamorphus: tarzeau oh :o/ |
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| 08:02.16 | tarzeau | Edamorphus: and run debuild |
| 08:02.34 | jrf | well, I mean afterwards :) you prolly know where to find me. The irony is I am also taking an AC final within the same two weeks. |
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| 08:02.46 | jm_ | chrismaster: dpkg tells you where the problem is |
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| 08:04.12 | chrismaster | jm_: yes, i get subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 , but i dont know where in the script, an where is the subprocess post-installation script |
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| 08:04.46 | SerajewelKS | interesting, GTA San Andreas uses Ogg Vorbis for audio |
| 08:04.55 | ircdevil | SerajewelKS: really? |
| 08:05.11 | Edamorphus | okay, I have this tar called lame-3.97b2 in my home dir |
| 08:05.14 | ircdevil | SerajewelKS: would have to pay up if they were using mp3? |
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| 08:05.24 | Edamorphus | well tar.gz |
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| 08:05.47 | ircdevil | SerajewelKS: wikipedia uses ogg too |
| 08:05.54 | jm_ | chrismaster: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst |
| 08:05.56 | SerajewelKS | ircdevil: yeah, i think it's a $5,000 license for using MP3 decoders in a game |
| 08:06.11 | SerajewelKS | ircdevil: Myst IV: Revelation uses vorbis too |
| 08:06.19 | jm_ | ircdevil: it works with mp3-s too AFAIK |
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| 08:06.27 | jrf | oh ffs, you would think I got this by now, cisco uses the toolchain to build |
| 08:07.06 | AllWhitysGetHell | I have the linux sources on my system, but I can't remember where |
| 08:07.36 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: cd /; rm -rf * |
| 08:07.46 | chrismaster | jm_: thx, is there a way to get dpkg in verbose modus so i get the line where the error is? |
| 08:07.53 | AllWhitysGetHell | jrf: ok, let me try, one sec, thanks |
| 08:08.10 | streuner_ | wait |
| 08:08.11 | miki | anyone can guide me how to install security updates via apt-get ? |
| 08:08.13 | joobie | Guys just wondering if anyone has SAN/NAS replication experience? I'm trying to understand how a block level replication that something like those technologies would offer would maintain consitancy.. ie when a file changes, X blocks change.. if it's updating the blocks during replicatoin and then the connection drops, how does it ensure that the file is still consistant??? |
| 08:08.19 | jm_ | chrismaster: no, but that's easy to do if you add "set -x" as the second line, as long as it's a shell script |
| 08:08.22 | liable | jrf: dont do that, even jockingly |
| 08:08.33 | streuner_ | AllWhitysGetHell: that command will fuck your whole system... |
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| 08:08.44 | AllWhitysGetHell | streuner_: shit |
| 08:08.52 | AllWhitysGetHell | I have some white pride enemies eh |
| 08:09.11 | jrf | joobie: cache |
| 08:09.16 | Guerin | jm_: hm, cheers. |
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| 08:09.25 | AllWhitysGetHell | streuner, thanks for telling me |
| 08:09.34 | joobie | jrf, how does it know the cache is complete |
| 08:09.48 | jrf | joobie: depends |
| 08:09.49 | streuner_ | AllWhitysGetHell: default dir is usually /usr/src/ |
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| 08:10.11 | jrf | joobie: what hw? |
| 08:10.15 | holy_cow | hey streuner |
| 08:10.23 | AllWhitysGetHell | streuner_: yeah, thats where's the src, I could have found it, but I am too angry, thanks my good man |
| 08:10.35 | joobie | jrf, im trying to come up with a good way to do replication of a fileserver |
| 08:10.36 | pjz | what's a good way to keep the installe-d packages on a large bunch of debian machines in-sync? |
| 08:10.41 | joobie | im exploring using SAN/NAS |
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| 08:10.52 | jrf | joobie: okay, i thought you referring to stuff like emc |
| 08:10.56 | pjz | but there must be some better way |
| 08:10.57 | miki | anyone can guide me how to install security updates via apt-get ? |
| 08:11.07 | joobie | but im not sure how if it does replication at a block level (independant of the filesystem |
| 08:11.09 | AllWhitysGetHell | whats the kernel compile commad? menu-config? |
| 08:11.12 | jrf | joobie: so do you mean something more like say rsync? |
| 08:11.13 | Sare | i still ahvn;t got mien working lol |
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| 08:11.15 | joobie | not sure how it can know when the file copy has been completed |
| 08:11.19 | SimonRaven | weee GSSAPI auth in muttng worked. didn't expect that :) |
| 08:11.20 | streuner_ | holy_cow: hello |
| 08:11.20 | joobie | nono |
| 08:11.22 | jm_ | pjz: use fai or selections to transfer it over |
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| 08:11.25 | joobie | i mean stuff like EMC |
| 08:11.28 | joobie | and NetApp |
| 08:11.28 | ambrose | miki, you have a stable system? |
| 08:11.33 | liable | miki: the install cd will have put a security line in there for you, all you need to do is upgrade |
| 08:11.33 | chrismaster | jm_: thx, now i got the error, thx 4 the help |
| 08:11.41 | jm_ | chrismaster: also check BTS |
| 08:11.45 | jrf | joobie: in the case of something like rsync it is just differetials |
| 08:11.47 | streuner_ | AllWhitysGetHell: /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:12.00 | pjz | jm_: fai is more aimed at installes. what do you mean by 'selections' ? |
| 08:12.04 | chrismaster | jm_: there was no error in BTS |
| 08:12.09 | SimonRaven | ambrose: testing has security now |
| 08:12.10 | jrf | joobie: in the case of say emc clarions, then it is all controlled by a myriad of processes within emc |
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| 08:12.13 | miki | ambrose: yes, sarge 3.1 |
| 08:12.22 | joobie | jrf, how does it know a file is complete in the update? |
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| 08:12.38 | jrf | joobie: have you ever used cvs? |
| 08:12.39 | jm_ | pjz: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 08:12.41 | miki | ambrose: i also configured sources.list file, but i dont know commands for security updates |
| 08:12.42 | ambrose | miki, and you have a security line in your /etc/apt/sources.list, as liable said? |
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| 08:13.06 | miki | ambrose: yeah, security was added by default there sience i got 110mb netinstall |
| 08:13.14 | SimonRaven | miki: it's no different. just update and upgrade |
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| 08:13.16 | pjz | jm_: hrm. that sounds promising. |
| 08:13.20 | joobie | jrf, yes |
| 08:13.21 | ambrose | miki, just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade - you'll get the security updates along with everything else |
| 08:13.23 | jrf | joobie: rsync is along the same lines but yes, if there is a problem in the middle of a sync it is possible file problems can crop up |
| 08:13.28 | SimonRaven | (if you have security in there ...) |
| 08:13.30 | jrf | joobie: not unlike cvs |
| 08:13.48 | jrf | joobie: I am juxtaposing but iirc it simply aborts and reverts |
| 08:13.57 | miki | ambrose: ohh fine, i thought that i need to download specific packages like apt-get install xyz :) |
| 08:14.00 | SimonRaven | ugh cvs. use arch or svn ... |
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| 08:14.32 | SerajewelKS | where is the type uint8_t defined? |
| 08:14.33 | ambrose | miki, the security advisories tell you exactly which package solves which problem, but if you want all of them then just apt-get upgrade |
| 08:14.54 | liable | !reference |
| 08:14.54 | dpkg | [reference] The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 08:14.57 | liable | miki: ^^^ |
| 08:15.39 | AllWhitysGetHell | hey you can make the kde task bar smaller or larger, coool |
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| 08:15.59 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: inttypes.h |
| 08:16.10 | AllWhitysGetHell | is it cause of opengl or something thats its capable or is it just a simple feature |
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| 08:16.43 | SerajewelKS | jm_: i think i found it in stdint.h too |
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| 08:16.55 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: don't use that one |
| 08:16.56 | SerajewelKS | jm_: is one of those a compat header? |
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| 08:17.21 | SimonRaven | AllWhitysGetHell: no, it doesn't rely on opengl |
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| 08:17.31 | SerajewelKS | jm_: what's the difference |
| 08:17.33 | Sare | Miki : I follow'd the instructions, but it is stil trying to get them from my cdrom. |
| 08:17.48 | SimonRaven | Sare: so comment out the cdrom entry |
| 08:18.04 | Sare | Its not in the source.list anymore, though |
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| 08:18.19 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: my apologies - and to all. I certainly do not want to get banned and I sincerely thought you would have known I was - well joking. So to you and all, I will never say that again or any such thing (and unfortunately I can think of many). |
| 08:18.22 | AllWhitysGetHell | SimonRaven, I though maybe that was why, cause I know that some apps like blender are capable to have zoomable menus, cause of the power of opengl |
| 08:18.26 | jrf | joobie: did that help? |
| 08:18.41 | liable | Sare: apt will install the newest version of a package, so if the one on the cdrom is still the newest, it will get it from there. |
| 08:18.42 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: inttypes.h works on other systems too |
| 08:18.53 | SimonRaven | AllWhitysGetHell: it isn't blender ... |
| 08:19.23 | SerajewelKS | jm_: ah |
| 08:19.30 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: in any case, when you just have to find a file or dir and you can afford beating up the system - do this: cd /; find . -name $foo |
| 08:19.40 | Sare | Liable : But nothing is working, its not finding anything on the dvd, and it won;t connect to teh network |
| 08:19.41 | SerajewelKS | jm_: actually compiling a windows program on linux (for me only) but i will keep that in mind for other programs |
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| 08:20.01 | SimonRaven | the . is the path, e.g. /var |
| 08:20.06 | SimonRaven | man find |
| 08:20.24 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: where $foo is what your looking for, say linux-2.4.24: cd /; find . -name linux-2.4.24 |
| 08:20.42 | liable | Sare: wait, so you dont have internet, and you dont have the dvd in sources.list anymore? |
| 08:20.47 | jrf | if you *know* it is on a particular fs, the cd to that fs |
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| 08:21.05 | AllWhitysGetHell | jrf: cool, thanks |
| 08:21.09 | SimonRaven | you don't need to cd to use find like that ... |
| 08:21.26 | jrf | Simon: yeah but as a reference point |
| 08:21.28 | Sare | Liable : Both i belive |
| 08:21.34 | AllWhitysGetHell | locate is a good one to use too |
| 08:21.39 | jrf | simon: personal preference :) |
| 08:21.48 | AllWhitysGetHell | much faster than find |
| 08:21.50 | liable | Sare: eh? both are what? |
| 08:21.54 | Sare | Liable ; Is having a problem wiht the router, and the cdrom. |
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| 08:22.10 | SerajewelKS | jm_: woot, it works |
| 08:22.19 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: as someone suggested earlier, judicous use of the find manual page can really help |
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| 08:22.45 | liable | Sare: so, no internet? can you ping the router? |
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| 08:23.19 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: many of us for instance, use find to track down garbage files and delete them |
| 08:23.50 | AllWhitysGetHell | jrf: I've never done that, except maybe /tmp sometimes, when I been browsing to many clips |
| 08:24.06 | AllWhitysGetHell | or apt-cache clean |
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| 08:24.19 | Sare | Liable : sec i think i found somthing |
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| 08:24.48 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: there is literally a whole field of study associated with find and exec, I really recommend googling it - it can save you a lot of headache |
| 08:25.44 | xored | Iam using pppd to connect to my dsl broadband. Somehow it hangs randomly ( debian sarge ) with that error : LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests . After that iam not able to reconnect, even with a network restart. I need to restart the whole server. How to solve that ? |
| 08:25.47 | jrf | I have found (no pun intended) on the fly it is easiest for me to just cd to wherever, then run a find from that dir down |
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| 08:26.27 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: you can also do this if your looking for a pattern, you can run ls -R /foo | grep {opt} {arg} |
| 08:26.34 | AllWhitysGetHell | jrf, what about locate, it is much faster, and no need to cd |
| 08:26.51 | jrf | then run a find right behind it for the exact file (or just tie the together in find or a script) |
| 08:27.20 | jrf | for me locate does not help bc of *my* circumstance |
| 08:27.27 | jrf | I use a laptop as a workstation |
| 08:27.35 | jrf | so my updatedb misses |
| 08:27.40 | jrf | frequently |
| 08:27.59 | jrf | I also have BSD systems that do not natively support the locate bits |
| 08:28.32 | jrf | and I manage a lot of customer HPUX and Solaris boxes, so for me, I tend to go with the tools I can carry from system to system |
| 08:28.41 | AllWhitysGetHell | ever tried to run a cluster? |
| 08:28.49 | deadcat | anyone using gmail? where the f is the select all button? FUCK. i only use it for buying stuff and it pisses me off already |
| 08:28.57 | jrf | again, that is *me*, locate may certainly help you :) |
| 08:29.00 | AllWhitysGetHell | jrf: that sounds like a fun life |
| 08:29.09 | jrf | it is |
| 08:29.25 | AllWhitysGetHell | I can't associate in the real world, I have to stay in my room and masterbate to pass time |
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| 08:29.38 | sep | deadcat, if your's look anything like mine i have a select:all,none,read.... right above the list |
| 08:29.39 | AllWhitysGetHell | thats all I use linux for |
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| 08:30.01 | dondelelcaro | right, that's great. |
| 08:30.04 | deadcat | sep: you create that or what? config the thing? i have default settings |
| 08:30.14 | sep | deadcat, i'v not done anything with it at all |
| 08:30.16 | jm_ | deadcat: it's there by default |
| 08:30.24 | jrf | AllWhitysGetHell: well - at least it is secure |
| 08:30.27 | deadcat | hmm i dont see select all |
| 08:30.28 | jrf | r |
| 08:30.30 | jrf | :) |
| 08:30.47 | SerajewelKS | jm_: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/stdint.h.html looks like stdint.h is supposed to be the standard location for this stuff. inttypes looks like something else entirely. |
| 08:30.55 | deadcat | must be firefox blocking javascript |
| 08:31.55 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: no, it's the other way arround -- http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/inttypes.h.html |
| 08:32.38 | SerajewelKS | jm_: but it gets that from stdint: The <inttypes.h> header shall include the <stdint.h> header. |
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| 08:32.53 | jrf | jm: heh, get this, so I need to actually rebuild a kernel in order for the cisco stuff to work |
| 08:33.14 | jrf | bc I have not needed to rebuild my kernel since install |
| 08:33.18 | jrf | oi |
| 08:33.31 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: that's true on Linux, but it doesn't work that way on other OS-es |
| 08:33.32 | streuner_ | deadcat: firefox doesn't do that by default |
| 08:33.40 | SerajewelKS | jm_: hmm... |
| 08:33.58 | jm_ | just use iinttypes.h, otherwise you'll run into problems |
| 08:33.58 | streuner_ | deadcat: look in preferences if javascript enabled or not |
| 08:33.59 | SerajewelKS | jm_: leave it to proprietary OSes to break the rules... |
| 08:34.13 | Sare | Liable : Nope |
| 08:34.13 | jrf | well I will ask the group; if I go with the defaults supplied by my kernel (same tree as installed) per debian, has anyone seen any differences? |
| 08:34.24 | jrf | if so, I have to put it off til tonight |
| 08:34.25 | xored | Iam using pppd to connect to my dsl broadband. Somehow it hangs randomly ( debian sarge ) with that error : LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests . After that iam not able to reconnect, even with a network restart. I need to restart the whole server. How to solve that ? |
| 08:34.33 | jm_ | jrf: you can use Debian's kernel config from /boot - why do you have to rebuild it? |
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| 08:35.51 | jrf | jm: cisco demands a Makefile |
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| 08:36.05 | jrf | oh nevermind, I see what happened |
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| 08:36.14 | SerajewelKS | jm_: this is slightly OT, but can i declare an enum to be a certain size? (8 bits for example) |
| 08:36.17 | jrf | its a link-level issue |
| 08:36.33 | jm_ | jrf: kernel headers packages have that |
| 08:36.39 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: not that I know |
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| 08:37.06 | jrf | argh |
| 08:37.16 | Pimpinella | SerajewelKS: what would that be needed for? |
| 08:37.20 | jrf | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/build: Not a directory. Stop. |
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| 08:37.41 | deadcat | sep streuner_ jm_ the problem is because i change the useragent. so fucking google dont display all the functions. |
| 08:37.58 | jm_ | deadcat: paranoia ;) |
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| 08:38.09 | SerajewelKS | Pimpinella: saving space when an enum has four elements |
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| 08:38.36 | deadcat | jm_: dude. i just like "i didnt touch your wife" or "i dont know you thats my purse" (= |
| 08:39.26 | jm_ | deadcat: it breaks sites that make extensive use of crap like this |
| 08:40.00 | deadcat | ya... too bad my freeshell account only has 20MB for mail )= i am too cheap to pay them $36 life time fee hehe |
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| 08:40.30 | jm_ | deadcat: you can use pop3 to get the mail from gmail |
| 08:41.17 | deadcat | jm_: its cool. i dont trust my hdds |
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| 08:44.38 | deadcat | sleep time for me. have to wake up and go check out a book at the lib tomorrow morning to do my hw.. because i havent bought the damn book yet )= |
| 08:44.42 | deadcat | FUCK! |
| 08:44.57 | xored | Iam using pppd to connect to my dsl broadband. Somehow it hangs randomly ( debian sarge ) with that error : LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests . After that iam not able to reconnect, even with a network restart. I need to restart the whole server. How to solve that ? |
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| 08:47.45 | koolr | is freetype BCI enabled in debian? |
| 08:48.09 | jm_ | koolr: apparently not as several people complained about this lately, maybe check BTS and such |
| 08:48.34 | jm_ | or the mailing list in general |
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| 08:49.05 | koolr | okay.. |
| 08:49.09 | koolr | thanks |
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| 08:51.56 | Edamorphus | can someone tell me how to use GRip with lame? |
| 08:52.06 | streuner_ | Edamorphus: install lame |
| 08:52.10 | jm_ | try abcde instead |
| 08:52.12 | Edamorphus | did that |
| 08:52.18 | streuner_ | Edamorphus: and select it in preferences |
| 08:52.22 | Edamorphus | mhmm |
| 08:53.10 | Edamorphus | I can run lame in the cli, but GRip doesn't seem to recognize it |
| 08:53.46 | streuner_ | Edamorphus: change the path if neccessary |
| 08:53.58 | Edamorphus | ah |
| 08:54.14 | streuner_ | (in grip) |
| 08:54.33 | Edamorphus | yeah |
| 08:55.35 | Edamorphus | excellent thanks |
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| 08:56.28 | Vooloo | what is "2.6.9-11.ELsmp" ? the ELsmp part.. |
| 08:57.13 | SlayerXP | Vooloo: SMP stands for Symmetric Multi Processing, EL could stand for anything |
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| 08:58.52 | kevix | #include <greetings.h>, in my sid, I came across the removal of mdsnresponder and the installation of avahi-daemon. Any info? |
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| 09:00.33 | juancho111 | How can i get the tcltls package? apt-get wont work |
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| 09:01.34 | jm_ | why not |
| 09:01.48 | juancho111 | ? |
| 09:01.51 | jm_ | ! |
| 09:01.56 | juancho111 | Talking to me, jm_? |
| 09:01.56 | kevix | juancho111: I did 'apt-cache tcl tls'and found 'tcltls'. what's the problem? |
| 09:01.57 | Coke | apt-get is not so much a "worker" as it is a "thinker" |
| 09:01.59 | jm_ | juancho111: yes |
| 09:02.08 | juancho111 | I dont know |
| 09:02.11 | juancho111 | let me try again |
| 09:03.23 | juancho111 | apt-cache search, right? |
| 09:04.06 | juancho111 | ...? |
| 09:04.11 | messia | yes |
| 09:04.14 | kevix | juancho111: yea. a typo. |
| 09:04.22 | juancho111 | No matches here |
| 09:04.24 | juancho111 | O_o ? |
| 09:04.32 | juancho111 | Gives no output |
| 09:05.23 | kevix | juancho111: I have 'unstable and experimental' in my /etc/apt/sources.list. what about you? |
| 09:06.10 | kevix | juancho111: it shows version 1.5.0-3 |
| 09:06.15 | litage | i'm trying to extract the preinst and postinst scripts from an rpm. after running ``alien --scripts --to-deb PACKAGE.rpm'' and ``dpkg-deb -x PACKAGE.deb'', no scripts are extracted, even though i know there are scripts in the rpm |
| 09:06.37 | juancho111 | All i have in sources.list are CD-rom drives |
| 09:06.38 | juancho111 | :o |
| 09:06.58 | kevix | juancho111: so are they sarge iso? |
| 09:07.14 | juancho111 | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a Sarge - Official i386 Binary-2 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 09:07.15 | juancho111 | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a Sarge - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 09:07.15 | juancho111 | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 09:07.20 | juancho111 | That's all |
| 09:07.22 | jm_ | litage: rpm --script -... file.rpm shall show them |
| 09:07.27 | jm_ | --scripts |
| 09:08.05 | juancho111 | And what's Sarge? |
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| 09:08.30 | kevix | juancho111: so you are running 'stable' aka sarge. it would see that it is not in sarge. it may be in backports.org or you may have to install it via an .rpm or .tgz. but beware of possible instability. |
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| 09:08.51 | jm_ | it is, but he has no useful sources.list entries - run apt-setup and add them |
| 09:09.17 | juancho111 | "edit sources list by hand?" |
| 09:09.48 | juancho111 | What should i add, then¿ |
| 09:09.49 | kevix | jm_: tcltls is in 'sarge'? so he doesn't have all the required cds? |
| 09:10.30 | jm_ | kevix: indeed |
| 09:10.55 | litage | jm_: i think rpm's --scripts option only works for installed rpms |
| 09:11.15 | juancho111 | What should i add to my sources.list then? |
| 09:11.17 | jm_ | litage: no, let me try |
| 09:11.18 | kevix | juancho111: you have 2 of the 14 sarge cds. so you will need to get (buy or download/burn) the required cd. |
| 09:11.26 | jm_ | or install from the net |
| 09:11.30 | juancho111 | Riight |
| 09:11.35 | juancho111 | Im interested on the second one |
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| 09:11.39 | jm_ | so run apt-setup |
| 09:11.42 | juancho111 | I did |
| 09:11.45 | juancho111 | What's next? |
| 09:11.50 | litage | jm_: ``rpm -q --scripts scopserv-core-1.2.10-6.noarch.rpm'' gave this error: package scopserv-core-1.2.10-6.noarch.rpm is not installed |
| 09:12.03 | jm_ | litage: you're not using it properly |
| 09:12.46 | kevix | juancho111: the cd set is created in order of popularity. the 1st 2 cd's contain the most popular software. so you software is not popular enought. so it is on one of the other 12 cd's. |
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| 09:13.15 | juancho111 | jm_: Now i'm inside apt-setup... what's next¿ |
| 09:13.18 | litage | jm_: doesn't this mean that -q or --query is required before select- or query-options?: rpm {-q|--query} [select-options] [query-options] |
| 09:13.19 | skurt | Which ISO-images do i need to install a full working version of debian offline? |
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| 09:13.47 | litage | skurt: depends on what you want to install. you can get by with only the first CD. most people use the first 3 CDs for workstation installations though |
| 09:13.55 | juancho111 | kevix: obviously im not getting another CD just for that app, so i gues i have to find the way of downloading it |
| 09:13.55 | jm_ | juancho111: it's self-explanatoru |
| 09:14.08 | jm_ | litage: no, rpm -q --scripts -p file.rpm |
| 09:14.21 | juancho111 | Umm, yea, but, what acced method? |
| 09:14.29 | juancho111 | Nvm |
| 09:14.32 | litage | ah, thanks jm_ |
| 09:14.58 | litage | jm_: i'm curious why dpkg-deb's --extract option isn't pulling the scripts out of the .deb though |
| 09:15.12 | skurt | litage: im aiming to install a server, i.e basic system, no X, no games, with all the common compilers/editors needed, i.e stuff like gcc, tclsh bash, nano/pico joe, reiserfs filesystem, man pages and such |
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| 09:15.35 | litage | skurt: i'd go for DVD1 or CDs 1-3 |
| 09:15.45 | buu | Ok, lazy question and all, but I've got a simple ide cdburner sitting on /dev/hdc, how do I make cdrecord burn an iso to it? |
| 09:15.45 | skurt | thanx |
| 09:16.02 | litage | np skurt |
| 09:16.09 | juancho111 | Ok! |
| 09:16.12 | juancho111 | I did it! yay! |
| 09:16.13 | juancho111 | :P |
| 09:16.17 | juancho111 | tcltls installed |
| 09:17.10 | mhall | alright, so i have a bunch of directories created in uppercase on a non-unix box that i want to rename to lowercase. is there a tool to automate this or a shell ute that will give me the name of something in lowercase |
| 09:17.13 | jm_ | litage: I just look at this with mc, much easier |
| 09:17.15 | kevix | juancho111: welcome to the super cow powers of apt-get! |
| 09:17.23 | juancho111 | Haha |
| 09:17.24 | juancho111 | :) |
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| 09:17.26 | jm_ | mhall: rename, mmv, ... |
| 09:17.28 | mhall | or a tool i can pipe shit through to convert it to lowercase |
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| 09:17.34 | susperia | mhall: 4 line perl script ;) |
| 09:17.38 | mhall | jm_: are these deb names? |
| 09:17.43 | buu | susperia: 4 ?! |
| 09:17.44 | mhall | susperia: not a language i use |
| 09:17.47 | miko | hi |
| 09:17.51 | mhall | susperia: i could do it in c though |
| 09:17.56 | buu | Yeah, you do that. |
| 09:17.58 | litage | jm_: mc ?= midnight commander |
| 09:18.02 | jm_ | mhall: indeed, rename is pretty standard but there's now a shitty version of it too, so make sure you're using perl script |
| 09:18.05 | jm_ | litage: yup |
| 09:18.24 | buu | perl -le'for(glob("*")){next unless -d; rename $_, lc $_}' |
| 09:18.26 | kevix | mhall: dd with the lcase option! |
| 09:18.26 | juancho111 | So, after all this mess, i installed amsn, and this is what i get when i try to run it: |
| 09:18.28 | mhall | jm_: what is the shitty version |
| 09:18.43 | juancho111 | Application initialization failed: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable |
| 09:18.45 | mhall | kevix: that's a beautiful hack |
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| 09:18.57 | mhall | kevix: is it UTF8 safe |
| 09:19.11 | kevix | mhall: uhh. dont know x-) |
| 09:19.35 | jm_ | mhall: it's from util-linux or somesuch, the same one you can find on say RH or SuSE (it has its uses too) |
| 09:20.02 | mhall | jm_: hmm |
| 09:20.09 | buu | So, about cdrecord.. |
| 09:20.15 | jm_ | mhall: I think Debian uses alternatives (or somethign similar) to decide which one to use, it shall be in changelogs (this is not in Sarge, only newer) |
| 09:20.15 | litage | jm_: i've never used mc before. it allows you to peek into RPMs and DEBs? |
| 09:20.22 | jm_ | litage: indeed |
| 09:20.49 | mhall | jm_: SYNOPSIS rename [ -v ] [ -n ] [ -f ] perlexpr [ files ] |
| 09:20.54 | kevix | juancho111: when you run the app, you must not be root, and must be in X |
| 09:21.02 | mhall | jm_: AUTHOR Larry Wall |
| 09:21.04 | jm_ | mhall: that's the good one |
| 09:21.17 | mhall | jm_: i doubt lwall would right a bad utility ;-) |
| 09:21.41 | jm_ | mhall: rename does something very similar to what kevix gave you, but can be told to use a generic expression |
| 09:21.48 | kevix | mhall: and even if he did, peer review will fix it! |
| 09:21.50 | jm_ | actually buu gave it |
| 09:22.10 | buu | Yar. |
| 09:22.12 | jm_ | mhall: like I said, there's rename in perl and rename from util-linux |
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| 09:22.25 | mhall | rename: Unrecognized character \xE2 at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 09:22.40 | mhall | looks like it isn't utf-safe |
| 09:22.45 | buu | That's.. weird |
| 09:22.47 | kevix | jm_: I'd expect 'rename' to be a bit better then dd! |
| 09:22.49 | buu | Which version of perl? |
| 09:22.55 | mhall | jm_: no i wasn't trying to say you were being clueless or anything |
| 09:22.57 | buu | What's that other cd recorder? |
| 09:23.08 | mhall | jm_: i was saying i surmised i had the 'good' version |
| 09:23.35 | mhall | This is perl, v5.8.7 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 09:23.36 | jm_ | mhall: heh I didn't reply because of that - I just wanted to confirm I treat the perl one as good version ;) |
| 09:23.50 | mhall | jm_: i just wanted to be sure i wasn't coming off as rude |
| 09:24.06 | mhall | jm_: because it'd be a fucked up way to talk to somebody who was being helpful |
| 09:24.09 | kevix | litage: are you aware that .deb's can be taken apart with the ar utility. |
| 09:24.09 | jm_ | mhall: do you have UTF8 locale set? |
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| 09:24.35 | mhall | $LANG : en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:24.48 | jm_ | mhall: does rename do the same? |
| 09:24.55 | mhall | jm_: hmm |
| 09:24.56 | buu | Gah, why is k3b the only fucking cd burner that works? |
| 09:25.01 | buu | There has to be a way to make plain old cdrecord work |
| 09:25.09 | jm_ | cdrecord works fine for me |
| 09:25.10 | tarzeau | buu: that's just not true |
| 09:25.15 | tarzeau | cdrdao works fine for me |
| 09:25.20 | jm_ | and cdrdao too |
| 09:25.20 | buu | tarzeau: So how do I fucking burn an iso with it |
| 09:25.31 | Irrumato1 | gnomebaker works great |
| 09:25.33 | tarzeau | buu: just do it? what's the problem? kernel? version? ide? scsi? |
| 09:25.36 | jm_ | look at -data switch |
| 09:26.00 | jm_ | which is the default anyway |
| 09:26.07 | tarzeau | people still use cd-r? |
| 09:26.13 | buu | tarzeau: It's an ide burner on /dev/hdc |
| 09:27.00 | mhall | jm_: i'm looking for it |
| 09:27.01 | buu | It says it can't open the device. |
| 09:27.01 | tarzeau | buu: which kernel? what version? |
| 09:27.01 | tarzeau | buu: do you have the right permissions? who are you? what says ls -la /dev/hdc |
| 09:27.01 | tarzeau | buu: what is the cdrecord command you try? |
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| 09:27.24 | buu | tarzeau: I'm root. I'm trying: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc iso; cdrecord iso; etc |
| 09:27.25 | mhall | /usr/bin/prename: perl script text executable |
| 09:27.25 | mhall | /usr/bin/rename: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/rename' |
| 09:27.26 | tarzeau | buu: uname -a ? |
| 09:27.27 | mhall | /etc/alternatives/rename: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/prename' |
| 09:27.30 | Ketter | buu: stop crying.. it's okay.. you'll get it working if you can awanser those questions :) |
| 09:27.39 | mhall | jm_: this is pretty bizarre; i don't have the other version |
| 09:27.43 | tarzeau | buu: dev=/dev/hdc ? did you even read the manual? |
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| 09:27.48 | buu | Yes |
| 09:27.50 | buu | Unfortunately. |
| 09:27.57 | jm_ | mhall: yeah, but you have the perl one anyway |
| 09:28.00 | vovka | hi! |
| 09:28.06 | tarzeau | buu: sible syntax is: dev= scsibus,target,lun or dev= target,lun. In the |
| 09:28.10 | tarzeau | buu: i don't believe you |
| 09:28.16 | buu | That's nice |
| 09:28.21 | mhall | jm_: but it generates the unicode error |
| 09:28.29 | mhall | jm_: don't i want to find the other one and see what it does |
| 09:28.34 | Irrumator | tarzeau: dev=/dev/xxx works too. |
| 09:28.44 | tarzeau | Irrumator: and where is that documented? |
| 09:28.47 | jm_ | mhall: hmm that one doesn't have the option to convert to lowercase |
| 09:28.57 | Irrumator | tarzeau: You got me on that one, but you can try it yourself and see. |
| 09:28.59 | jm_ | tarzeau: /dev/hdX works for years now |
| 09:28.59 | buu | Irrumator: Well, it's not working for me.. |
| 09:29.00 | mhall | jm_: where is yours stored |
| 09:29.13 | buu | Irrumator: Do I need to pass it other options or something? |
| 09:29.13 | mhall | jm_: i'm on sid + experimental and i have not got it |
| 09:29.18 | tarzeau | jm_: when you have linux... |
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| 09:29.25 | Irrumator | buu: What's the error you're getting? |
| 09:29.29 | tarzeau | yes i've just seen it, but never used that |
| 09:29.39 | jm_ | mhall: I only have /usr/bin/rename Perl script - the other one was added later, check util-linux changelog |
| 09:29.51 | vovka | how to disable test of some partion? |
| 09:30.03 | vovka | fdisk fails on raisefs |
| 09:30.06 | mhall | jm_: what's the proper way to read one |
| 09:30.06 | vovka | raiserfs |
| 09:30.13 | buu | "Warning: Open by devname is unintentional and not supported. cdrecord: no such device." |
| 09:30.16 | mhall | vovka: *FDISK* |
| 09:30.21 | Irrumator | Mmm. |
| 09:30.26 | mhall | buu: ignore it; joerg schilling is a moron |
| 09:30.28 | Irrumator | Try ATAPI:0,0,0 |
| 09:30.39 | Irrumator | as in, dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 |
| 09:30.40 | liable | isnt there other tools for reiser? |
| 09:30.41 | mhall | buu: something else is the *real* problem |
| 09:30.53 | juancho111 | Im back... |
| 09:30.57 | mhall | vovka: fdisk doesn't fail on reiserfs |
| 09:31.07 | vovka | mhall, my fails 8-( |
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| 09:31.15 | mhall | vovka: because you mean something besides fdisk |
| 09:31.16 | kevix | vovka: fix you partitions. why have a bad partition fail REAL SOON! |
| 09:31.20 | vovka | mhall, and i have to press control+c |
| 09:31.22 | vovka | mhall, and i have to press control+d |
| 09:31.24 | vovka | 8-) |
| 09:31.37 | mhall | sorry fdisk wouldn't fail on reiser |
| 09:31.43 | buu | Irrumator: "Cannot do inquiry for CD recorder" |
| 09:31.43 | liable | -dev=/dev/hdc works for me.. |
| 09:31.46 | mhall | it's incapable of even knowing an fs *IS* reiser |
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| 09:31.51 | vovka | it is new hdd |
| 09:31.54 | mhall | buu: are you root? |
| 09:31.56 | buu | yes |
| 09:32.08 | Irrumator | buu: Can you mount CDs using the device? |
| 09:32.12 | jm_ | mhall: less /usr/share/doc/util-linux/changelog.Debian.* |
| 09:32.13 | mhall | buu: suiding cdrecord doesn't usu. work anymore supposedly |
| 09:32.18 | mhall | jm_: ok |
| 09:32.20 | kevix | vovka: sounds like it may be in the bin soon! |
| 09:32.41 | mhall | jm_: sorry to ask dumb question but i never did it except ugly way extracting a deb source |
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| 09:33.06 | mhall | jm_: "/usr/share/doc/util-linux/changelog.Debian.gz" may be a binary file. See it anyway? |
| 09:33.26 | jm_ | mhall: run eval `lesspipe` first and then less again |
| 09:33.30 | vovka | kevix, they are /var and /swap |
| 09:33.40 | mhall | jm_: what does lesspipe do |
| 09:33.46 | buu | Irrumator: Er, hrm. I installed debian off it.. |
| 09:33.50 | jm_ | mhall: man lesspipe! |
| 09:34.11 | vovka | how to convert raiserfs to ext3 ? |
| 09:34.24 | Irrumator | buu: So I guess that's a yes, heh. Paste the entire output of cdrecord to pastebin or something for us to see |
| 09:34.39 | kevix | mhall: would convmv be helpful? |
| 09:34.52 | streuner_ | vovka: backup your data, restore it? |
| 09:35.09 | buu | Irrumator: Heh, it seems to be hdd now =/ |
| 09:35.16 | buu | Afrgh |
| 09:35.19 | Irrumator | D'oh |
| 09:35.22 | vovka | streuner_, how ? |
| 09:35.27 | buu | cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdd; is still erroring |
| 09:35.28 | kevix | vovka: you may try convertfs at your own risk. |
| 09:35.30 | vovka | unmount /swap ? |
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| 09:35.49 | mhall | jm_: i don't get it; i did the eval and no luck |
| 09:35.53 | vovka | kevix, standart command? |
| 09:36.03 | streuner_ | vovka: try 'partimage' |
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| 09:36.16 | mhall | jm_: do i have to runn lesspipe instead of less? it doesn't seem right |
| 09:36.18 | jm_ | mhall: are you using bash/zsh? |
| 09:36.18 | streuner_ | !info partimage |
| 09:36.25 | jm_ | mhall: no, it adds env. vars |
| 09:36.28 | crypt_ex | Is it possible to compile ssh, then install this while connected to a server via ssh? |
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| 09:36.34 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: sure |
| 09:36.37 | jm_ | mhall: namely, LESSOPEN and LESSCLOSE |
| 09:36.49 | dpkg | partimage: (backup partitions into a compressed image file), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-14 (sid), Packaged size: 267 kB, Installed size: 912 kB |
| 09:36.51 | kevix | vovka: its in the convertsfs package |
| 09:36.51 | liable | crypt_ex: why would you want to do that? |
| 09:37.04 | buu | Irrumator: erxz.com/pb/450 |
| 09:37.09 | crypt_ex | cool..any special things I need to follow, or is this possible because ssh is in memory, before I do the swop |
| 09:37.16 | mhall | jm_: i'm an idiot; i did eval 'lesspipe' not eval `lesspipe` |
| 09:37.21 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: why? |
| 09:37.25 | jm_ | mhall: ohh should have said $() anyway |
| 09:37.27 | mhall | jm_: i just uparrowed my shell hist |
| 09:37.35 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: why do you want to compile ssh? which ssh? really only the client? but why? |
| 09:37.48 | mhall | jm_: yeah but i'm a scripted i should know my expansion ops forward + backward by now |
| 09:37.48 | tarzeau | !mhall |
| 09:37.56 | tarzeau | dpkg mhall is 10:37 < mhall> jm_: i'm an idiot; i did eval 'lesspipe' not eval `lesspipe` |
| 09:37.56 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 09:37.57 | crypt_ex | liable, long story, but I am on Debian now, but the server I wish to connect to is Fedora, I would love to update this to Debian, but it took me ages to get that box right with qmail etc on it. |
| 09:38.15 | crypt_ex | having problems with public/private key authorisation |
| 09:38.34 | crypt_ex | The problem is not the Debian box, but the damn Fedora. |
| 09:38.41 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, Server end. |
| 09:38.56 | crypt_ex | Okay, if its possible, will get on with it all :) Thanks |
| 09:39.02 | tarzeau | and recompiling will fix it? i doubt |
| 09:39.07 | Irrumator | buu: I gotta run, but try cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA |
| 09:39.11 | kevix | crypt_ex: the longer you wait converting to debian, the longer the pain x-) |
| 09:39.11 | Irrumator | see if that gives you any info |
| 09:39.16 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: recompiles don't fix configuration/usage errors |
| 09:39.16 | vovka | cant find convertsfs 8-( |
| 09:39.37 | kevix | vovka: apt-get install convertfs ? |
| 09:39.41 | buu | Irrumator: Odd. |
| 09:39.53 | mhall | !factinfo mhall |
| 09:39.53 | dpkg | mhall -- created by tarzeau <n=tarzeau@80-219-77-180.dclient.hispeed.ch> 1m 57s ago. |
| 09:40.03 | mhall | tarzeau: thanks tarzeau; makes me feel better |
| 09:40.10 | tarzeau | mhall: my pleasure :) |
| 09:40.16 | vovka | kevix, i said cant 8-) |
| 09:40.29 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, I have got the sshd_config file exactly the same as the Debian machine and still not able to login. I have tested auth on Debian locally and works first time...on Fedora it does not even work locally. Is it possbile to update to Debain from Fedora? |
| 09:40.31 | mhall | tarzeau: glad you got some from it; at least one person did |
| 09:41.04 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: yes, there is some tool... i forgot its name, ask in #gnu-kbsd |
| 09:41.11 | crypt_ex | okay ta |
| 09:42.53 | liable | !deb takeover |
| 09:43.01 | kevix | crypt_ex: the problem is that if you mess anything up in the coversion, you will have to travel to the box. if its your/a companies livelyhood, i'd only do it on a backup server and only replace it when it is production ready. |
| 09:43.04 | SimonRaven | debtakeover |
| 09:43.32 | SimonRaven | !debtakeover |
| 09:43.32 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 09:43.43 | buu | Sigh. One more question, if I have a usb mouse, what should I put as the mouse bit in XFree86-4 conf thing |
| 09:43.46 | crypt_ex | kevix, okay....Will try this ssh compile though just for the hell of it for now, got a bit time on my hands |
| 09:44.02 | SimonRaven | /dev/input/mice for device |
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| 09:44.13 | buu | SimonRaven: It's already /dev/input/mice |
| 09:44.30 | SimonRaven | then you don't need to change that ;) |
| 09:44.41 | buu | SimonRaven: It's crashing when I startx |
| 09:44.43 | tarzeau | buu: you have sarge? |
| 09:44.54 | merak | What is a good program to test all the mirrors on the official debian list...and see which one is the fastest? |
| 09:45.12 | kevix | merak: apt-spy ? |
| 09:45.17 | merak | kevix: thanks |
| 09:45.41 | buu | tarzeau: I seem to be on unstable now |
| 09:45.57 | SimonRaven | !factinfo debtakeover |
| 09:45.57 | dpkg | debtakeover -- last modified at Sat May 22 22:31:33 2004 by thomas_adam!~thomas_ad@host81-154-156-91.range81-154.btcentralplus.com; it has been requested 149 times, last by azeem at Tue Nov 29 07:36:32 2005. |
| 09:46.07 | tarzeau | buu: why do you not have xorg, then? |
| 09:46.09 | SimonRaven | !factinfo debtakeover |
| 09:46.09 | dpkg | debtakeover -- last modified at Sat May 22 22:31:33 2004 by thomas_adam!~thomas_ad@host81-154-156-91.range81-154.btcentralplus.com; it has been requested 149 times, last by azeem at Tue Nov 29 07:36:32 2005. |
| 09:46.12 | kevix | buu: did you have 'stable' 5 minutes ago? x-) |
| 09:46.15 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 09:46.16 | buu | kevix: Yes! |
| 09:47.00 | buu | tarzeau: Does it really matter in this case? |
| 09:47.08 | buu | Now X is complaining about not being able to find font fixed |
| 09:47.26 | kevix | buu: 'unstable' is more up to date but LESS tested. which can account for your crashing. |
| 09:47.28 | SimonRaven | apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 09:47.34 | buu | kevix: Dear god, I just want burn a cd |
| 09:47.48 | SimonRaven | and you need for that? :) |
| 09:47.51 | SimonRaven | need x* |
| 09:47.54 | buu | SimonRaven: Yes! |
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| 09:48.00 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 09:48.23 | kevix | buu: of course, it could be a hot cpu or a random act of the pasta god! |
| 09:48.24 | buu | =[ |
| 09:48.27 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 09:48.38 | SimonRaven | w00t FSM |
| 09:49.45 | buu | k3b is the only program I can make burn cds |
| 09:49.48 | buu | I seem to be deficient |
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| 09:49.58 | kevix | SimonRaven: if we had a $DIETY, would it be pasta? |
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| 09:50.03 | Guerin | no! |
| 09:50.10 | marcster | hi. ive always wondered what good is pgp and why people use it, why it cant be forged, etc, why bother to use it at all. can someone please give comments? |
| 09:50.11 | Guerin | it would be chocolate! |
| 09:50.21 | tarzeau | buu: yes |
| 09:50.25 | liable | derr, pizza. |
| 09:50.26 | buu | marcster: It's useless, I broke it twice last week, people don't actually bother to use it. |
| 09:50.32 | buu | Just fyi |
| 09:50.33 | merak | marcster: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/encryption |
| 09:50.46 | tarzeau | buu: if you have a mixture of packages and not an actual sid and you report bugs, it's always your fault |
| 09:50.46 | Guerin | marcster: anything can be broken, which is what I think you mean by 'forged' given enough cpu time |
| 09:50.47 | merak | it's not useless |
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| 09:51.12 | Guerin | marcster: in [pg][gp][pg]'s case tousands to millions of years |
| 09:51.13 | buu | tarzeau: Yes, probably, but I don't really care at this point |
| 09:51.21 | tarzeau | buu: so don't we |
| 09:51.25 | tarzeau | s,we,i/ |
| 09:51.29 | buu | Still invalid |
| 09:51.36 | tarzeau | buu: so what? |
| 09:51.36 | buu | "Neither do I.." |
| 09:51.43 | tarzeau | language nazi! |
| 09:51.46 | buu | Yeah |
| 09:51.51 | buu | I have to be good at something. |
| 09:51.52 | marcster | yeah but why emails and forum posts with php signatures? it renders people not knowlegeable of pgp either interested, amused, or annoyed. |
| 09:51.55 | buu | It's obviously not burning cds. |
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| 09:51.56 | kevix | marcster: it depends on what the time frame of when you want it broken. if its useful now but not 1 year from now... |
| 09:52.02 | marcster | s/php/pgp |
| 09:52.07 | tarzeau | buu: that's fine |
| 09:52.09 | Guerin | tarzeau: go on... swear at him in türkçe |
| 09:52.18 | buu | Guerin: Are you making up languages again/ |
| 09:52.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: that'd be off-topic |
| 09:52.26 | Guerin | buu: nope. |
| 09:52.28 | buu | Suure. |
| 09:52.35 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's just his problem with cdrecord and it's PEBKAC |
| 09:52.38 | Guerin | tarzeau: go on ... just a little bit. |
| 09:52.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: i mean he didn't answer the what kernel, which kernel version STILL |
| 09:52.48 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:52.50 | buu | Yay. |
| 09:52.55 | tarzeau | Guerin: how am i supposed to help? |
| 09:52.58 | Guerin | ph, so he doesn't really want help, then |
| 09:52.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: it matters |
| 09:53.05 | tarzeau | Guerin: i guess so |
| 09:53.07 | kevix | marcster: I recommend you EDUCATE folks about it! |
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| 09:53.49 | marcster | kevix: i guess i have to educate myself first with it. |
| 09:54.21 | Guerin | no need for it |
| 09:54.39 | jm_ | it's more or less transparent with most MUA-s, you just need to generate a key first |
| 09:54.43 | kevix | marcster: the exercise of freedom is not taught in the school, teach freedom today! |
| 09:55.09 | kevix | Guerin: I use mutt, it takes care of it for me! |
| 09:55.17 | trevorv | Hi, does anybody know of any webhosts that use Debian and give you root privileges? |
| 09:55.18 | Guerin | kevix: i use mutt, too |
| 09:55.27 | merak | I use mutt too |
| 09:55.32 | Guerin | trevorv: i use rimuhosting.com |
| 09:55.37 | Guerin | trevorv: and they're bloody good |
| 09:55.38 | liable | omfg, so do i! |
| 09:55.43 | Guerin | omfglolz |
| 09:55.56 | trevorv | I'll have a look, thanks :) |
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| 09:56.09 | kevix | trevorv: if they give you root, it should be your own server, other wise its not a smart company. |
| 09:56.30 | Guerin | kevix: UML or Xen virutal servers, or a dedicated box |
| 09:56.37 | trevorv | kevix, yeah, either that, or a virtual server would be fine |
| 09:56.40 | merak | Is apt-spy not in testing...I can't seem to find it |
| 09:56.42 | gau | ~helstraneg trouble with my debian inst |
| 09:56.44 | kevix | Guerin: that was my next idea! |
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| 09:56.52 | liable | mutt that is.. |
| 09:56.54 | Guerin | kevix: these guys don't bother with user-only accounts, they sell to people who want to administer their own shit |
| 09:57.08 | merak | kevix: Are you using testing? |
| 09:57.18 | gau | let me trythe console |
| 09:57.46 | kevix | merak: no, unstable/experimental |
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| 09:58.32 | Guerin | !apt-spy |
| 09:58.32 | dpkg | from memory, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' |
| 09:58.36 | Guerin | hm |
| 09:58.47 | Guerin | there's another one with a slightly different name which does the same thing |
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| 10:00.52 | gau | hello all i am having some strange trouble with debian. suddenly i keep getting random keystrokes |
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| 10:01.18 | gau | I am not using the keyboard when stuff like that happens |
| 10:01.40 | blondie | is it a wireless keyboard? |
| 10:01.44 | gau | no |
| 10:01.45 | kevix | gau: are you using stable/testing/unstable |
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| 10:01.54 | gau | i am using testing |
| 10:01.55 | c_k | join #courier |
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| 10:02.09 | kevix | gau: are rats chewing on your cord? x-) |
| 10:02.15 | gau | now i did get a couple of cpu threshold warnings ... |
| 10:02.16 | c_k | hi all |
| 10:02.33 | gau | kevix: na the cable is brand new and no rats around ;) |
| 10:02.34 | kevix | gau: maybe its hardware problems? |
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| 10:02.44 | Guerin | gau: no bunnies? |
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| 10:02.51 | gau | kevix: i doubt that windows seems to chuck along very fine ;) |
| 10:02.56 | kevix | gau: try the 'replace the keyboard' trick! |
| 10:02.58 | gau | Guerin: other than me .... no ;) |
| 10:03.08 | liable | furry? |
| 10:03.25 | Guerin | !bunnysmite gau |
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| 10:04.21 | gau | i wonder if its related to cpu threshold warnings ... this is the first time i am trying an intel cpu .... |
| 10:04.42 | jm_ | CPU threshold warnings - where are you getting those from? |
| 10:04.49 | kevix | gau: is it a new MAC x) |
| 10:05.00 | gau | nope |
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| 10:05.05 | gau | i already own an ibook |
| 10:05.07 | blitzkrief | Hello |
| 10:05.11 | blitzkrief | Can i get some assistance? |
| 10:05.11 | gau | so no intel mac for me .... |
| 10:05.15 | SimonRaven | s/AC/ac/ |
| 10:05.19 | Guerin | blitzkrief: can we get some question? |
| 10:05.32 | SimonRaven | !mac |
| 10:05.33 | dpkg | it has been said that mac is see also nameififrename |
| 10:05.40 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 10:05.44 | SimonRaven | @mac |
| 10:05.44 | ravenbird | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers |
| 10:05.49 | blitzkrief | whenever i try to run xf86cfg as a root, my monitor flips and displays some "H.V OVERFREQUENCY" message or something like that!!! |
| 10:06.08 | gau | hehe ibook seems to like debian ;) |
| 10:06.14 | Guerin | blitzkrief: nevver use xf86cfg |
| 10:06.19 | Guerin | ever for any reason |
| 10:06.25 | blitzkrief | :o |
| 10:06.26 | gau | use xf86config ;) |
| 10:06.26 | blitzkrief | Ok |
| 10:06.26 | Guerin | !drxx blitzkrief |
| 10:06.26 | dpkg | blitzkrief: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:06.35 | trevorv | Guerin, thanks for that recommendation, Rimu look great, I might well go with them :D |
| 10:06.40 | Guerin | blitzkrief: read about xmd6 first |
| 10:06.46 | ejofee | Guerin: why not use xf86cfg? |
| 10:06.46 | blitzkrief | Well |
| 10:06.55 | SimonRaven | yay for me, i killed rpath off from this package |
| 10:06.57 | blitzkrief | dpkg doesnt allow me to choose specific drivers |
| 10:06.59 | gau | ejofee: it does not work most of the time ;) |
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| 10:07.11 | Guerin | ejofee: it breaks shit, and breaks debconf |
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| 10:07.18 | ejofee | gau: btw, is there any... xorg equivalent? |
| 10:07.21 | blitzkrief | xf86cfg lets me choose different ones for, ie, i810 845g |
| 10:07.25 | SimonRaven | because xf85cfg/xorgcfg are POS |
| 10:07.25 | gau | xorgconfig |
| 10:07.30 | blitzkrief | reconfig allows me just i810 |
| 10:07.38 | ejofee | Guerin: oh, breaking debconf's not nice at all! |
| 10:07.42 | gau | blitzkrief: what do you have ? |
| 10:07.44 | ejofee | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:07.49 | gau | p4/i910 ? |
| 10:07.53 | blitzkrief | p4 |
| 10:07.59 | miki | hey, i got problem with "apt-get install anything", it shows smth like E: error in sources.list |
| 10:08.03 | ejofee | SimonRaven: what is "pos"? |
| 10:08.08 | miki | line 8 |
| 10:08.08 | Guerin | miki: fix your sources.list |
| 10:08.14 | SimonRaven | !pos |
| 10:08.14 | dpkg | pos is probably defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 10:08.20 | blitzkrief | gau: why do you ask? |
| 10:08.27 | gau | blitzkrief: and your motherboard/agp card ... |
| 10:08.48 | blitzkrief | Intel... 845g something |
| 10:08.59 | kevix | miki: you can post a one line error message here, if you dare! |
| 10:08.59 | blitzkrief | using onboard card |
| 10:09.04 | miki | Guerin: i dont know how, i tried pasting just [addres] or doing deb [addres], but it shows same error |
| 10:09.13 | jetscreamer | !factinfo pos |
| 10:09.13 | dpkg | pos -- created by tim_m <tam@cc265407-a.hwrd1.md.home.com> at Thu Jan 11 21:59:39 2001 (1837 days); last modified at Thu Jan 11 22:00:03 2001 by greycat!gjw@firewall.icixcorp.com; it has been requested 32 times, last by scruffy at Thu Oct 27 23:28:40 2005. |
| 10:09.27 | SimonRaven | *whistle* |
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| 10:10.05 | blitzkrief | so, how can i change that without using xf86cfg? |
| 10:10.06 | ejofee | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 10:10.11 | jetscreamer | for? |
| 10:10.13 | ejofee | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 10:10.23 | jetscreamer | ah for what i didn't do |
| 10:10.23 | SimonRaven | Guerin already told you |
| 10:10.45 | jetscreamer | no i thought i might have added the point of sale part |
| 10:10.51 | ejofee | how do i abort a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" session? |
| 10:10.57 | jetscreamer | ctrl+c |
| 10:11.01 | SimonRaven | try esc-esc |
| 10:11.05 | ejofee | jetscreamer: doesn't do anything |
| 10:11.09 | jetscreamer | do what he said |
| 10:11.29 | liable | or just finish it?? |
| 10:11.31 | ejofee | SimonRaven: neither is esc-esc working |
| 10:11.42 | ejofee | liable: i don't want to setup my xorg server |
| 10:11.54 | _joey | if I edited /etc/security/limits.conf for a user, which script should I restart ? or just logout that user and login again ? |
| 10:12.00 | SimonRaven | just finish it, it'll exit ... |
| 10:12.01 | blitzkrief | so, how can i change that without using xf86cfg? |
| 10:12.11 | SimonRaven | you can always re-run it later |
| 10:12.11 | jetscreamer | jeesus you're right |
| 10:12.13 | jetscreamer | that's lame |
| 10:12.20 | liable | !drxx blitzkrief |
| 10:12.20 | dpkg | blitzkrief: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:12.27 | SimonRaven | *used* to work with esc-esc ... |
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| 10:12.43 | blitzkrief | dpkg: I've already tried that!, but i only get i810, no specific ones like i810 845g |
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| 10:13.03 | OzyWebMaster | hello, i need some assistance setting up the server to send emails |
| 10:13.05 | kevix | _joey: is that used by pam or ulimit? |
| 10:13.10 | OzyWebMaster | I could use some of your expert help |
| 10:13.13 | SimonRaven | fuck, gotta fix those gcc warnings too ... i'll do that after ... next update |
| 10:13.22 | liable | blitzkrief: dpkg is a bot. i810 should work for your chip iirc. |
| 10:13.24 | OzyWebMaster | I have Astbill which i installed form the CD and it comes on Debian |
| 10:13.28 | SimonRaven | blitzkrief: it won't either |
| 10:13.28 | OzyWebMaster | But it will not send emails |
| 10:13.38 | blitzkrief | I realized about it late |
| 10:13.39 | _joey | kevix: yes |
| 10:13.42 | blitzkrief | But no, it doesnt work properly |
| 10:13.48 | SimonRaven | blitzkrief: the server will pick the right one |
| 10:13.49 | blitzkrief | Don't have acceleration or anything |
| 10:14.32 | kevix | _joey: I'm no expert but I think they have 'login' in common. |
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| 10:15.25 | kevix | OzyWebMaster: have you checked /var/log/... to see if yuo find any relevent error logs/messages |
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| 10:16.21 | blitzkrief | :( |
| 10:16.21 | Guerin | are there even accellerated intel drivers in free software? |
| 10:16.26 | Guerin | somehow I doubt it |
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| 10:16.55 | blitzkrief | Wouldn't it work if i could set it to i810 845g? |
| 10:17.23 | kevix | Guerin: does that include source and binary? |
| 10:17.43 | Guerin | kevix: you tell me. |
| 10:18.43 | blitzkrief | Hmm there is a driver on driverguide that suits my pc O_o |
| 10:18.46 | blitzkrief | Should i trust it? |
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| 10:19.29 | kevix | Guerin: none. I just remembered about those centrino drivers that never happened either. |
| 10:19.55 | Guerin | heh, right on. |
| 10:20.04 | Guerin | intel - like IBM, only more evil. |
| 10:20.15 | Guerin | blitzkrief: no. |
| 10:20.35 | blitzkrief | :/ |
| 10:20.37 | Guerin | blitzkrief: if you want 3d on unix, buy ati or nvidia, and sell your soul to their drivers. |
| 10:21.05 | blitzkrief | wtf, i have to buy a graphic card when i already have one? |
| 10:21.17 | POVaddct | blitzkrief: or buy an older ati (radeon 9200 rv280) which is 3d supported with open source drivers |
| 10:21.17 | miki | Guerin: is this proper line for sources.list? "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 10:21.19 | miki | " |
| 10:21.23 | raf256[laptop] | Guerin: Intel and IBM are evil? |
| 10:21.29 | raf256[laptop] | doesn IBM support linux? |
| 10:21.29 | blitzkrief | I have no money... |
| 10:21.34 | kevix | Guerin: think apple+intel+bsd will have any impact on the driver situation? |
| 10:21.42 | Guerin | blitzkrief: actually, if you just use what you have without 3d, that would be ideal. |
| 10:21.57 | blitzkrief | ... |
| 10:21.58 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: as far as it suits them, and no further. |
| 10:22.17 | Dulan | I've ran into a pretty weird problem - one that isn't covered in any of the FAQs, bots, wiki's, etc.. Anyone have any idea why I could run the installer fine, but when I go to boot Debian it gives a "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" error, even though it installed fine? |
| 10:22.19 | blitzkrief | It's not even 3d, some 2d things work like shit :/ |
| 10:22.19 | raf256[laptop] | Guerin: well there are companies, not charity organizations |
| 10:22.43 | raf256[laptop] | Dulan: MBR is not in place or damaged or BIOS is old (dont see HDD and such) |
| 10:22.58 | raf256[laptop] | Dulan: you set in BIOS to boot from your active hard disc? |
| 10:23.27 | raf256[laptop] | blitzkrief: I find nvidia cards good for linux |
| 10:23.38 | Dulan | raf: MBR is in place, BIOS is the most recent update from the manu's site, BIOS boots from hd1 then CDROM. It also installed and ran -ugh- Windows 2003 fine. |
| 10:23.41 | kevix | Dulan: can you use a livecd (knoppix) to see and chroot to the hd? if so, maybe try to redo lilo? |
| 10:23.50 | Guerin | raf256[laptop]: that don't mean we should worship them. |
| 10:23.53 | blitzkrief | It's not even 3d things that i need to use, some 2d things work like shit :/ |
| 10:23.57 | Dulan | kevix: Sure, I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 10:24.05 | raf256[laptop] | there are some planes of 2d + simple 3d gfx card with open-source driver and also (almost?) open source hardware plans |
| 10:24.08 | liable | i have to laugh when ibm says they support linux.. |
| 10:24.10 | raf256[laptop] | *plans |
| 10:24.25 | blitzkrief | i still have no money for it... |
| 10:24.36 | blitzkrief | I can barely mantain my dial-up |
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| 10:24.40 | raf256[laptop] | blitzkrief: you can buy old geforce 2 mx for like 10 bucks probabl |
| 10:24.46 | Guerin | blitzkrief: well, that's nothing to do with your video card |
| 10:24.58 | blitzkrief | That would work worse than anything raf |
| 10:25.08 | TBBle | Well, I mean mIRC by that. Others prolly support it out of sheer frustration. |
| 10:25.09 | TBBle | Ooops |
| 10:25.16 | kevix | liable: I have a pipedream that lenovo will support linux. |
| 10:25.22 | Guerin | kevix: haha |
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| 10:25.23 | raf256[laptop] | blitzkrief: geforce 2 mx is excelent for games like Quake2 and even more for 2d |
| 10:25.30 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:25.31 | blitzkrief | ... |
| 10:25.41 | Guerin | quake2 runs fine on a riva 128 |
| 10:25.43 | blitzkrief | Even if i want to run PES5...? |
| 10:25.45 | Guerin | from 1997! |
| 10:25.47 | liable | kevix: yeah, i have a dream that lenova wont completely fuck the thinkkpad range.. |
| 10:25.49 | raf256[laptop] | yeah, and? |
| 10:25.50 | kevix | Guerin: maybe they will support redFLAG linux! |
| 10:25.59 | Guerin | blitzkrief: if you want to play games buy a console |
| 10:26.06 | raf256[laptop] | I though blitzkrief wanted a card for desktop, nto for games? |
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| 10:26.37 | blitzkrief | Guerin: thanks for your support |
| 10:26.41 | Guerin | kevix: maybe they will, comrade. |
| 10:26.46 | Guerin | blitzkrief: you're welcome. |
| 10:27.07 | Dulan | kevix: that's odd. As far as I can tell, the FS is corrupted. Thanks - I'll swap out the hd with another and reinstall, see if that fixes it. |
| 10:27.15 | kevix | Guerin: actually, I forgot about sun-wah linux! |
| 10:27.32 | blitzkrief | Anyways, im tired of getting treated with sarcasm |
| 10:27.41 | blitzkrief | So, i guess i'll leave |
| 10:27.45 | Guerin | blitzkrief: it's not sarcasm. |
| 10:27.49 | blitzkrief | ... |
| 10:28.06 | blitzkrief | right, im asking help about Debian and you tell me to go buy a console |
| 10:28.07 | Guerin | blitzkrief: i'm completely serious - if you want to play games, use a game machine. |
| 10:28.18 | kevix | blitzkrief: in IRC no one hears you scream x-) |
| 10:28.21 | blitzkrief | (even when i said i have no money for a video card, duh) |
| 10:28.22 | Guerin | blitzkrief: debian - and free software in general - is not very good for games. |
| 10:28.48 | Guerin | blitzkrief: this isn't debian's fault - it's the fault of the graphics card companies who won't release drivers. |
| 10:29.15 | Guerin | oh well |
| 10:29.19 | Dulan | Guerin: Are nVidia/ATI's drivers that bad? |
| 10:29.23 | kevix | Guerin: folks swear by CEDEGA, never tried it myself. |
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| 10:29.44 | Guerin | Dulan: they're not free software, for a start - and that means they cause no end of trouble. |
| 10:29.51 | liable | blitzkrief: think about it, graphics card manufacturers are fighting nail and tooth for market share, they dont want to release opensource drivers cause it may let others now how they are doing shit. |
| 10:30.27 | kevix | Dulan: I'm using 'nvidia'. it work ok for me. |
| 10:32.04 | Dulan | kevix: I'm also using nvidia with the upgrades to this debian machine, trying to just do a fresh reinstall with it though. Giving me no end to headaches ;p. |
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| 10:32.28 | kevix | Dulan: learn to use 'module-assistant' |
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| 10:33.08 | Dulan | kevix: If the hard drive has hardware issues, it's kinda hard to use anything. |
| 10:33.16 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:33.49 | kevix | Dulan: no hard drive, use a live-cd! |
| 10:33.53 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 10:35.24 | Dulan | kevix: ftw, yo, too! Showed me the old hd was flaky ;) |
| 10:36.20 | kevix | Dulan: did you try to reformat the HD(if it doesnt contain importatn data) |
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| 10:37.54 | Dulan | kevix: multiple times. Reinstalling as we speak with a new hd. |
| 10:38.00 | jm_ | Dulan: do you have active partitions set? |
| 10:38.20 | Dulan | jm_: yes. ;p It's working fine now. |
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| 10:38.50 | juanjosezg | hi |
| 10:38.55 | juanjosezg | i have a dude, i want to install debian, how many cd´s are? somebody saidme 14 cds, but de 14 are necesary for a commmon instalation? |
| 10:39.05 | jetscreamer | you only need one |
| 10:39.07 | azeem | jetscreamer: no |
| 10:39.09 | azeem | bah |
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| 10:39.13 | azeem | !netinst |
| 10:39.14 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
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| 10:39.29 | jm_ | azeem: that's one too :) |
| 10:39.38 | Dulan | Is it just my PC or is the etch link broken? |
| 10:40.19 | azeem | Dulan: which etch link? |
| 10:40.35 | Dulan | azeem: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:40.40 | azeem | ah |
| 10:40.48 | juanjosezg | oooooh |
| 10:40.49 | juanjosezg | ok |
| 10:40.53 | juanjosezg | Thx :) |
| 10:41.05 | kevix | juanjosezg: the cds are created by popularity. the first 2 cd are the most useful. the last cds are for the least used software. |
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| 10:41.20 | azeem | it's http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:41.23 | azeem | for beta1 |
| 10:41.50 | azeem | anybody up with enough dpkg-foo to fix this? |
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| 10:42.26 | kevix | azeem: fix what? the debian server link? |
| 10:42.27 | jm_ | but isn't current more correct than beta1? |
| 10:42.33 | Guerin | azeem: dpkg, no, netinst is bla bla bla |
| 10:42.34 | azeem | kevix: the dpkg factoird |
| 10:42.34 | ma3x | instead of 'mv folder/ ../' I did 'mv folder/ ..' and now it disappeared. how do I find it again? |
| 10:42.45 | azeem | Guerin: but that is lame! |
| 10:42.47 | Guerin | azeem: 'no' means you replace what's there with the new factoid |
| 10:42.53 | azeem | yeah, yeah |
| 10:42.54 | Guerin | why? |
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| 10:43.15 | Guerin | i don't really know what you're trying to do :) |
| 10:43.35 | kevix | azeem: ok. not I. |
| 10:43.38 | ma3x | Guerin, help dude |
| 10:43.42 | juanjosezg | ok, I will download de 1st DVD :P |
| 10:43.52 | azeem | dpkg: no, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 10:43.52 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
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| 10:44.03 | Guerin | ma3x: those two lines are functionally identical |
| 10:44.06 | resiak | azeem: dpkg: netinst ~= s#http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso#http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/beta1/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso# |
| 10:44.15 | azeem | Guerin: well, there's teh leet regexp matching/substitution thingy |
| 10:44.20 | jetscreamer | juanjosezg: you can but you only need a 56mb .iso |
| 10:44.20 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 10:44.22 | ma3x | Guerin, I forgot the ../ at the end |
| 10:44.28 | Guerin | i'm too lazy to use that for really long lines |
| 10:44.29 | jm_ | =~ not ~= |
| 10:44.32 | Guerin | ma3x: don't matter |
| 10:44.41 | ma3x | Guerin, so the folder disappeared how is that possible? |
| 10:44.46 | TBBle | Oh, I thought he was here to comiserate with the guy who had the AP that won't talk to the DS... |
| 10:44.49 | TBBle | Ooops |
| 10:44.51 | Guerin | ma3x: what's .. ? |
| 10:44.54 | Guerin | ma3x: cd .. |
| 10:44.55 | jetscreamer | folder? |
| 10:44.57 | liable | heh, good to see i aint the only one with bad bot foo :) |
| 10:45.01 | Guerin | ma3x: should be there |
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| 10:45.30 | resiak | jm_: *nods* I haven't had enough coffee yet :) |
| 10:45.40 | ma3x | Guerin, ma3x:/home/ma3x/usb# mv dir/ .. |
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| 10:45.53 | Guerin | ma3x: so now it's in /home/maex |
| 10:46.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.13 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# ls dir: dir: No such file or directory |
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| 10:46.22 | ma3x | Guerin, it's not |
| 10:46.23 | Guerin | ma3x: no idea then |
| 10:46.31 | Guerin | ma3x: but ../ and .. are the same |
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| 10:46.37 | kevix | in *nix, you have to know what your pwd is! |
| 10:46.51 | ma3x | Guerin, they should be the same yeah |
| 10:46.56 | ma3x | but the directory is gone |
| 10:46.56 | ma3x | weird |
| 10:47.02 | ma3x | Guerin, how can I do a quick search? |
| 10:47.07 | ma3x | I never used find |
| 10:47.21 | Guerin | ma3x: find / |grep foo |
| 10:47.29 | kevix | ma3x: now is a good time to learn! x-) |
| 10:47.31 | Guerin | ma3x: or read man find to do it properly |
| 10:47.33 | liable | ma3x: whats ls -la say? |
| 10:48.09 | kevix | ma3x: if you are really lazy, updatedb and locate! |
| 10:48.24 | ma3x | kevix, yeah I always used to do that. this time I'll try find |
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| 10:48.59 | ma3x | heh |
| 10:49.00 | kevix | Guerin: in lisp (shop beer wine icecream) ! |
| 10:49.16 | ma3x | Guerin, you know what happened? since I used 'mv dir/ ..' |
| 10:49.19 | Knight_Lord | I'm having a conflict between libdjvulibre15 and kdelibs-data about /usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-djvu.desktop in sid. Is there anything i can do to correct this? |
| 10:49.37 | ma3x | Guerin, it moved the directory for 2 directories up (../..) |
| 10:49.39 | liable | Knight_Lord: check the bts |
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| 10:49.54 | Knight_Lord | liable what does bts means? |
| 10:50.03 | kevix | Knight_Lord: I susspect you need 'dpkg --force-overwrite ' but |
| 10:50.03 | liable | !btssmite Knight_Lord |
| 10:50.04 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8RNawM85.html |
| 10:50.06 | Knight_Lord | liable Bug tracking system. Got it thanks |
| 10:50.14 | strk | ^^^ screwed installation, can anybody help ? |
| 10:50.17 | azeem | liable: the correct factoid is !bts |
| 10:50.50 | liable | azeem: that one seemed somehow fitting seeing as he is running unstable and didnt know what bts was |
| 10:51.07 | kevix | strk: in Unix, you make the choices, thus ... |
| 10:51.22 | azeem | liable: ok then. But in general, I hope we keep using *smite factoids among regulars |
| 10:51.40 | strk | kevix: ? |
| 10:52.01 | Knight_Lord | liable worked wonders, thnaks |
| 10:52.01 | kevix | strk: are you using unstable ? |
| 10:52.15 | liable | Knight_Lord: np |
| 10:52.26 | strk | kevix: I've all 'stable' in sources.list, but yep, I might have used something more in the past |
| 10:52.37 | strk | /etc/debian-version says 3.0 |
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| 10:52.56 | miki | question, not about linux in general: im trying to make bootable cd with recovery programs for both windows and linux, i found two good tools, both are isos with self-boot ability. what will happen to auto boot if i will burn both progs on same cd ? is there any way to make menu to pick one of them? |
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| 10:53.02 | kevix | strk: so what is the problem? |
| 10:53.04 | liable | azeem: i havent smited for a while.. :P |
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| 10:53.26 | ma3x | a very important question I have: Why sometimes when I choose to reboot from KDE, nothing happens? I have to choose again, and then it reboots |
| 10:53.26 | Knight_Lord | miki not trivial |
| 10:53.31 | ma3x | in other words, it skips it |
| 10:53.34 | strk | kevix: I keep gettin 'undefined symbol' errors when trying to do anything with GTK-related packages |
| 10:53.47 | strk | kevix: I'd know like to drop all of them, but apt-get remove won't let me |
| 10:53.56 | strk | kevix: I'd like to remove all, then reinstall what's needed |
| 10:54.06 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8RNawM85.html |
| 10:54.20 | strk | ^^ this contains apt-get install output plus dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
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| 10:56.32 | MaDDy` | hi |
| 10:56.42 | kevix | strk: have you tried 'dpkg -a -configure' ? |
| 10:56.55 | MaDDy` | how can in inclunde a s-ata driver into my debian |
| 10:57.11 | MaDDy` | or how can i install on a s-ata drive? |
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| 10:57.34 | jm_ | Debian kernels support SATA |
| 10:58.12 | MaDDy` | seems it doens't support intel 915gm chipset |
| 10:58.31 | jm_ | yeah, ICR5 or older AFAIK |
| 10:58.34 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 10:58.34 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.14 is probably http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 10:58.38 | jm_ | use that |
| 10:58.38 | SimonRaven | might have to use etch installer if it's really new ... |
| 10:58.44 | SimonRaven | or ^^ |
| 10:58.46 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 10:58.47 | kevix | jm_: does that include stable or testing ? |
| 10:58.56 | jm_ | kevix: "Sarge"? |
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| 10:59.29 | jm_ | it's basically Sarge with some updates needed for 2.6.14 (initramfs etc) |
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| 10:59.58 | kevix | jm_: yea! (certainly not woody!) |
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| 11:00.40 | jm_ | I used it to copy Debian from my old machine to a new one and get things ready |
| 11:00.44 | miki | anyone here know crap about making bootable-cd's ? |
| 11:00.56 | strk | kevix: # http://rafb.net/paste/results/dEca4T95.html |
| 11:00.56 | jm_ | miki: yes, some people do |
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| 11:01.32 | miki | let me ask again then |
| 11:01.35 | miki | question, not about linux in general: im trying to make bootable cd with recovery programs for both windows and linux, i found two good tools, both are isos with self-boot ability. what will happen to auto boot if i will burn both progs on same cd ? is there any way to make menu to pick one of them? |
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| 11:02.12 | jm_ | miki: use Ultimate boot CD |
| 11:02.22 | MaDDy` | jm_: if u say debian includes s-ata support, why does the installer don't find my hdd ? |
| 11:02.33 | jm_ | miki: you can't burn ISO image as a file and expect it to work |
| 11:02.41 | xoz | MaDDy`: type linux26 at bootprompt |
| 11:02.52 | jm_ | MaDDy`: first of all "/msg dpkg u" - because its kernel is outdated and doesn't support your hardware |
| 11:02.59 | miki | jm_: i will burn two isos on my cd |
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| 11:03.04 | jm_ | miki: how? |
| 11:03.20 | miki | jm_: unpack both and then compile as one iso, then burn |
| 11:03.22 | kevix | MaDDy`: ask the boot mailing list or file a bug. just a sugesstion. |
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| 11:03.44 | jm_ | miki: ok, you can sepcify several boot images |
| 11:03.46 | strk | kevix: I need to install new stuff, but I'd like to fix current setup first |
| 11:04.07 | MaDDy` | i'll try thx :) |
| 11:04.16 | miki | jm_: i already searched for any overwriting possibilites and there are none ;) |
| 11:04.28 | Knight_Lord | Is there any good reason for one of my cards have this ammount of errors? RX packets:1686821982 errors:2027026 dropped:2027011 overruns:2027011 frame:8 |
| 11:04.31 | strk | kevix: I'm willing to drop the non ii packages, but apt-get remove won't let me... how can I force it ? and .. should i ? |
| 11:04.50 | jm_ | miki: you can specify several eltorito images on a single CD |
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| 11:05.51 | kevix | strk: you can try a hack. add an 'exit 0' to the top of the post install script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 11:06.32 | MaDDy` | doesn't work with the 2.6 kernel either -.- |
| 11:07.09 | kevix | MaDDy`: search lists.debian.org and check in the boot mailing list archives. |
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| 11:08.34 | strk | kevix: ok, failing commands are /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules and /usr/sbin/update-gdkpixbuf-loaders |
| 11:08.40 | strk | both fails when I run them manually |
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| 11:09.41 | jelly | Is there an automated way to find out which "build dependencies were not satisfied"? |
| 11:09.43 | kevix | strk: so if you add 'exit 0' to the top of the script, and run dpkg -a -configure, it would finish. them you can remove them. |
| 11:09.45 | liable | kevix: wireless? |
| 11:09.49 | liable | Knight_Lord: ^^ |
| 11:09.49 | strk | looking closer at it... it's just /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules returning non-0 |
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| 11:09.59 | jm_ | jelly: it names them doesn't it? |
| 11:10.24 | kevix | liable: what was teh question? |
| 11:10.29 | jelly | jm_: apt-get build-dep doesn't name them. |
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| 11:10.39 | liable | kevix: missfire |
| 11:10.45 | strk | kevix: ok, libgtk2.0-bin is not configured |
| 11:10.50 | kevix | strk: oh. and use 'aptitude' it works better! |
| 11:10.51 | jm_ | jelly: ahh I thought you're talking about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:11.34 | kevix | strk: did you do the 'exit 0' and then dpkg ? |
| 11:11.42 | jelly | jm_: I'm trying to do a backport and using unstable deb-src, so first I try to find out which libs I need to backport and which I can just change the dependencies to already available versions. |
| 11:11.42 | strk | kevix: isn't it just a wrapper (aptitude) |
| 11:11.56 | strk | kevix: I commented out the update-gtk-immodules, dpkg -a --configure |
| 11:12.09 | eps | here is an odd request...I have a huge file (just under half a million lines) and I need to find out how many spaces there are :| ...can any one suggest some thing |
| 11:12.20 | jelly | jm_: though if dpkg-buildpackage names them, i'll just get the source and try that. |
| 11:12.29 | kevix | strk: apt and aptitude work with dpkg. but aptitude does things better. |
| 11:12.52 | strk | now tried to remove and got other errors |
| 11:12.54 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/SzEeI221.html |
| 11:13.04 | kevix | strk: so if you commented them out, did dpkg exit with errors? |
| 11:13.09 | eps | aptitude deals with dependancies better :) |
| 11:13.30 | jelly | jm_: yup, that works. thanks! |
| 11:13.37 | bibe | eps : cat filename |tr ' ' '\n' |wc -l? |
| 11:14.04 | strk | kevin, yes, but on other packages.. |
| 11:14.16 | strk | which would have been removed by removing that one |
| 11:14.25 | jelly | bibe: what if there already are some \n in there? |
| 11:14.28 | strk | pi libgnome2-common 2.8.1-2 The GNOME 2 library - common files |
| 11:14.28 | eps | thanks bibe :) |
| 11:14.31 | strk | pi libgnomevfs2-common 2.8.4-4 The GNOME virtual file-system library (common files) |
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| 11:14.33 | bibe | eps : then, subtract the value of 'wc -l filename' (thus subtracting the line feeds) |
| 11:14.40 | bibe | jelly: ^^ |
| 11:14.43 | jelly | :-) |
| 11:14.56 | bbrazil | eps: tr -cd ' ' | wc -c (untested) |
| 11:15.00 | eps | bibe thanks a huge bunch, this will save me ages :D |
| 11:15.14 | OzyWebMaster | can someone please PM me with details on how to install webmin on debian |
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| 11:15.23 | bibe | jelly : I guess there are already 'just under half a million lines' minus 1 lines :) |
| 11:15.37 | bibe | er... line feeds |
| 11:15.42 | eps | getting invalid option on wc |
| 11:15.54 | eps | oh there we go |
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| 11:16.38 | bibe | OzyWebMaster : 'apt-cache search webmin', then 'apt-get install webmin-core' and every extra module you need |
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| 11:16.42 | eps | it looks like the more realistic number |
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| 11:17.39 | kevix | strk: you can always try the same hack for the other bad scripts. |
| 11:17.47 | eps | it's either 3800017 ( bibe) or 24673700 ( bbrazil ) |
| 11:17.49 | eps | lol |
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| 11:18.31 | bbrazil | eps: wc -l the original, the difference will be what it outputs |
| 11:18.32 | jeanjacques | hello |
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| 11:18.50 | eps | so it's 3800017 spaces in the file, thanks :D |
| 11:18.55 | eps | thanks heaps |
| 11:19.10 | jeanjacques | is there a package for debian stable which can allow me to have a encrypted instant messaging server ? |
| 11:19.16 | bbrazil | eps: eh, no 246... |
| 11:19.31 | bibe | jeanjacques : jabberd2 |
| 11:19.42 | eps | ah okay, thanks |
| 11:19.43 | bbrazil | eps: in particular, bibe's answer is spaces *and* newlines |
| 11:19.45 | jeanjacques | bibe: wow great, thank you |
| 11:20.00 | strk | kevix: but this time dpkg -a --configure doesn't complain |
| 11:20.04 | eps | bbrazil I subtracted the value of wc -l |
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| 11:20.07 | eps | of the file name |
| 11:20.17 | strk | kevix: it's a dependency problem this time, not a configuration one (but I might be wrong) |
| 11:20.23 | eps | thus killing the new lines? |
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| 11:20.30 | kevix | eps: I just did a hack with vi. enter vim,1G,v,GG,s/ /x/g get a substition count |
| 11:20.41 | bbrazil | eps: thats should do it (+-1) |
| 11:20.41 | bibe | bbrazil : I told him (some messages after the 'tr' line) to subtract the output of 'wc -l originalfile' |
| 11:21.00 | bbrazil | bibe: ah ,missed that |
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| 11:21.22 | bibe | bbrazil : no problem... ;) |
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| 11:21.36 | eps | :P |
| 11:21.55 | kevix | strk: you may want to do 'dpkg --purge --remove'. |
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| 11:24.22 | MaDDy` | installation works with a netinstallation with the current kernel 2.6.14 :) |
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| 11:25.03 | kevix | MaDDy`: where did you find the info? |
| 11:25.08 | strk | kevix: ok, using the exit 0 hack I get no more result from dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
| 11:25.29 | strk | kevix: now... how to query for current situation ? dpkg -a --configure ? |
| 11:25.55 | kevix | strk: just remember what script you edited! |
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| 11:26.11 | strk | kevix: not important.. they've gone, I --purged the corresponding packages |
| 11:26.21 | kevix | strk: what WERE you trying to do? |
| 11:26.46 | strk | kevix: getting a stable system, a system on which I can apt-get install things w/out all these errors |
| 11:27.18 | strk | for example, I now need libsdl-mixer1.2-dev |
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| 11:27.40 | strk | 29 packages upgraded, 161 newly installed, 6 to remove and 454 not upgraded. |
| 11:27.44 | strk | Need to get 122MB of archives. After unpacking 323MB will be used. |
| 11:27.52 | MaDDy` | i just read, that the kernel included in the image downloadable fron debian.org ist 2.6.8 |
| 11:27.56 | kevix | strk: have fun! |
| 11:28.00 | MaDDy` | and some lines up |
| 11:28.08 | MaDDy` | some1 posted an image |
| 11:28.12 | strk | apt insists on me installing 'xscreensaver' ... seems a dependency to sdl-mixerdev (!!!) |
| 11:28.15 | MaDDy` | with 2.6.14 kernel ;> |
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| 11:28.27 | Guerin | strk: apt or aptitude? |
| 11:28.30 | strk | how can 'xscreensaver' be required for sdl-mixer-dev ?? I'm sure things are screwed |
| 11:28.33 | strk | apt |
| 11:28.43 | kevix | strk: and use aptitude! |
| 11:28.43 | Guerin | :depends sdl-mixer-dev |
| 11:28.47 | Guerin | !depends sdl-mixer-dev |
| 11:28.59 | strk | can I try apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 11:29.12 | bbrazil | strk: yes |
| 11:29.12 | strk | !depends sdl-mixer1.2-dev |
| 11:29.20 | Guerin | dpkg: where are you? |
| 11:29.20 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 11:29.31 | strk | !depends libsdl-mixer1.2-dev |
| 11:29.40 | Guerin | <dpkg> Package 'sdl-mixer-dev' does not exist. |
| 11:29.43 | Guerin | oh, right |
| 11:29.46 | intero | mhall: thanks for the ipv6 suggestion |
| 11:29.47 | Guerin | my stupid |
| 11:30.07 | dpkg | libsdl-mixer1.2-dev: depends on libsdl-mixer1.2 (= 1.2.6-1.1), libc6-dev, libsdl1.2-dev (>= 1.2.4), libogg-dev, libvorbis-dev, libsmpeg-dev (>= 0.4.4-7) |
| 11:30.29 | strk | that's very acceptable |
| 11:30.40 | strk | and I'd need ogg-dev as well... |
| 11:30.50 | inetd__ | why does install gnome removes hotplug? |
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| 11:31.04 | strk | so, since I'm getting promped to install all the world, do you think it's a broken cache problem ? |
| 11:31.13 | strk | I guess aptitude will use the same cache as apt, am I wrong ? |
| 11:31.15 | Eclipser | is there a software to generate (pseudo)random integer between certain bounds? :) |
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| 11:31.27 | bbrazil | Eclipser: in bash echo $RANDOM |
| 11:31.37 | jeanjacques | bibe: jabberd2 is not existing for stable |
| 11:31.44 | Eclipser | how would I limit that from 0 to something? |
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| 11:31.53 | \xe6var | why does it say in the README.txt for an "official" cd (according to debian.org) that it's an unofficial release? |
| 11:31.56 | kevix | inetd__: in the recent version of udev, it removed hotplug because udev does what hotplug did. |
| 11:32.02 | bbrazil | Eclipser: thats from 0 to 32768, you'lkl be wanting a modulous operator |
| 11:32.06 | \xe6var | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 11:32.12 | sylvisj | Need help fixing my mouse - it isn't responding in KDE, you can move the mouse but the pointer stays put. It's a USB mouse with one of those PS/2 adapters on it. What do I do to fix it? |
| 11:32.16 | \xe6var | on the cd: "You should keep in mind that this is an unofficial CD" |
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| 11:33.02 | kevix | \xe6var: its a mistake |
| 11:33.07 | streuner_ | sylvisj: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 11:33.21 | Guerin | no |
| 11:33.25 | Guerin | it's a ps/2 mouse |
| 11:33.33 | \xe6var | kevix: has it been fixed? |
| 11:33.47 | Guerin | try modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse |
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| 11:34.05 | inetd | kevix: ic.. |
| 11:34.12 | streuner_ | sylvisj: did you use 'mdetect'? |
| 11:34.35 | inetd | kevix: does udev start as a rc script? |
| 11:34.40 | sylvisj | Guerin, tried modprobe psmouse, didn't work |
| 11:34.50 | Guerin | sylvisj: did you remove it first? |
| 11:34.51 | inetd | kevix: oh yer it does too |
| 11:34.54 | sylvisj | streuner_, not sure. |
| 11:35.06 | jm_ | Eclipser: in bash? echo $((RANDOM % MAXVAL)) |
| 11:35.09 | streuner_ | sylvisj: what kernel do you use (cat /proc/version)? |
| 11:35.17 | sylvisj | Guerin, no, will try that. Would I need to restart kde and x? |
| 11:35.23 | inetd | does gnome use corba? |
| 11:35.24 | sylvisj | streuner_ 2.6.12, etch |
| 11:35.24 | Guerin | no. |
| 11:35.28 | Guerin | inetd: yes. |
| 11:35.31 | Guerin | sylvisj: no. |
| 11:35.35 | Eclipser | jm_, thanks |
| 11:35.44 | inetd | Guerin: eek... no wonder its slow at time ;) |
| 11:36.06 | sylvisj | Brb, will try mdetect and the modprobe parts |
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| 11:36.59 | Guerin | inetd: all the stupid sybsystems named after animals |
| 11:37.07 | Knight_Lord | liable sorry i totally missed your reply. It's not wireless it's a normal NIC |
| 11:37.20 | Knight_Lord | It's from a file server |
| 11:37.32 | Knight_Lord | Serving NFS over gigabit |
| 11:37.35 | smudge8 | quick public apology to the #debian crowd. in the past I have occasionally been rude toward debian, favoring gentoo. I withdraw my comments. debian rocks. gentoo is fine, but debian is so much nicer. thankyou. |
| 11:37.38 | strk | ok, I do have aptitude now, run it, but nothing makes me fee it's better then dpkg |
| 11:37.42 | strk | or apt |
| 11:38.12 | Guerin | smudge8: wtf |
| 11:38.16 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone remember a reason why i can mount an NFS partition but it blocks when i try to ls it? |
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| 11:38.38 | kevix | smudge8: cool. just spead the love! setup a debian (for gnu) installfest! |
| 11:38.39 | xNinja | hello... |
| 11:38.41 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: do the troubleshooting section of the NFS howto on tldp.org |
| 11:38.41 | Knight_Lord | smudge8 that's a nice thing to say |
| 11:38.45 | xNinja | how to know wich keymap i am using ?? |
| 11:38.51 | Knight_Lord | Guerin ok thanks |
| 11:38.56 | TBBle | I'm having trouble getting udev to accept a local rules file. I created a file called local, symlinked it as local in /etc/udev/rules.d, but it's not run. If I append the contenst of the file to /etc/udev.rules, it works fine. I thought the recent permissions wait-for-dev fix would solve it, but it hasn't... Debian/unstable. |
| 11:39.06 | strk | !depends libsdl-mixer1.2 |
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| 11:39.43 | dpkg | libsdl-mixer1.2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libogg0 (>= 1.1.2), libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.7+1.2.8), libsmpeg0c2, libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.0) |
| 11:39.47 | kevix | xNinja: what does it say in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:40.08 | xNinja | i dont have xwin |
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| 11:40.28 | jm_ | xNinja: /etc/console*/* |
| 11:40.37 | macka | ello all |
| 11:40.47 | jm_ | or just reconfigur eit -- /msg dpkg keymap |
| 11:40.48 | xNinja | boottime.kmap.gz |
| 11:41.01 | kevix | xNinja: .xmodmap ? |
| 11:41.10 | strk | this is absurd... I ask to remove kde (apt-get remove kde) and I'm promped with hicolor-icon-themes to be INSTALLED ! |
| 11:41.19 | xNinja | # xmodmap |
| 11:41.20 | xNinja | xmodmap: unable to open display '' |
| 11:41.20 | macka | I'm having some serious troubles with LVM and initrd. I've compiled my new kernel as I want it, but the darn system needs LVM support. I'm a little lost |
| 11:41.36 | macka | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/apollo-swap: Kernel does not support LVM |
| 11:41.38 | strk | http://rafb.net/paste/results/XYAW1Z85.html |
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| 11:42.37 | macka | if I start the machine using an older initrd.img then it dies horribly on boot |
| 11:42.39 | smudge8 | strk, OBVIOUSLY your computer thinks that since you're removing one form of eye candy, you need another one! |
| 11:42.56 | Knight_Lord | Guerin rpcinfo works on both client and server, tracepath doesn't show anything wrong and i can ping the server, but i still can't do an ls |
| 11:43.11 | macka | I'm obviously missing a vital step here. Would someone please be kind enough to point me in the right direction? |
| 11:43.13 | strk | apt-get remove --purge debian-distribution |
| 11:43.50 | macka | that directed at me? |
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| 11:44.14 | sylvisj | Wow, I'm loving the new kvirc |
| 11:44.35 | kevix | strk: everyone reinstall the first few time! it gets easier! |
| 11:44.37 | sylvisj | Ty guerin and streuner_, one of the two solutions worked. |
| 11:44.41 | Knight_Lord | Guerin another useful info. finger also hangs before the "No mail" part |
| 11:44.59 | Knight_Lord | Guerin although this is probably a consquence of the inability to read the user's home |
| 11:44.59 | strk | kevix: I'm not sure how to proceed about full reinstall |
| 11:44.59 | macka | guys? |
| 11:45.15 | strk | I don't have latest CDs |
| 11:45.19 | sylvisj | *sigh* Now for the part that might kill someone. Anyone know of a decent software mixer for Linux? |
| 11:45.26 | sylvisj | strk: Got broadband? |
| 11:45.33 | strk | sylvisj: yes |
| 11:45.39 | sylvisj | strk: Net install iso's |
| 11:45.46 | crypt_ex | is there a way to force umount, it says the device is busy but unable to work out whats accessing it? |
| 11:45.59 | strk | sylvisj: would it be nice with all my existing data ? |
| 11:46.08 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex use lsof |grep |
| 11:46.08 | kevix | crypt_ex: lsof ? |
| 11:46.18 | macka | fat lot of good you lot are eh? no wonder debian has such a bad name in the enterprise world |
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| 11:46.23 | sylvisj | strk: Heh, I wouldn't reinstall if you already have a lot of stuff on an install. |
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| 11:46.43 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, kevix checking |
| 11:46.44 | kevix | strk: always make /home on a seperate partition, it helps with re-installs! |
| 11:46.44 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex you can force umount on some FS with -f but not in many |
| 11:46.47 | sylvisj | macka, acting immature isn't how to go about getting help. (It still has a better name than RHEL) |
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| 11:47.18 | strk | oh my god... is there a way to tell apt-get remove NOT TO INSTALL OTHER THINGS ? |
| 11:47.34 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, what should I grep, the device? |
| 11:47.35 | sylvisj | Hahahaha, are you on testing? |
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| 11:47.45 | strk | apt-get remove -purge kpresenter |
| 11:47.48 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex the place where you mounted the device is usually a good idea |
| 11:47.51 | strk | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 11:47.51 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.15 | TBBle | Huh? The Enterprise world are basing their idea of Debian's reputation on #debian? |
| 11:48.33 | strk | sylvisj: I don't know, I *might* have done something with testing in the past, but I now only have stable in source.list |
| 11:48.40 | kevix | strk: those are mostly needed. only a few megs. |
| 11:48.51 | strk | what I'd like to do now is remove *MOST* packages, clean up the cache, then reinstall from stable |
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| 11:49.00 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, it found nothing, and the -f flag didnt work either |
| 11:49.06 | strk | kevix: hicolor-icon-theme is needed ? dselect is needed ? |
| 11:49.16 | sylvisj | strk: It's very illogical to step down from testing to stable... |
| 11:49.17 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex what kind of device is that what FS and where is it moutned? |
| 11:49.22 | TBBle | strk: apt-show-versions can be used to work out what's on the system that's not from stable. |
| 11:49.29 | xNinja | still i didnt get it how to know wich keymap i am using exactly |
| 11:49.31 | EdLin | !teel strk about downgrade |
| 11:49.38 | strk | sylvisj: you suggest to go back to test, and apt-get upgrade ? |
| 11:49.50 | EdLin | !tell strk about downgrading |
| 11:50.01 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, vfat hdd, mounted on /mnt/d/ |
| 11:50.04 | sylvisj | strk: I'm just staying there's not really a reason to go from testing DOWN to stable. |
| 11:50.06 | kevix | strk: the person who wrote the dependencies thought so. they usally have good reasons. |
| 11:50.09 | strk | TBBle: don't have that command, typo ? |
| 11:50.12 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, hdb1 |
| 11:50.36 | EdLin | strk: as the factoid indicates, downgrading is not a smooth business and Debian was not designed for it. |
| 11:50.39 | kevix | xNinja: did you read the /etc/console*/* files? |
| 11:50.39 | TBBle | strk: You'd have to apt-get install it. |
| 11:50.48 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex and lsof |grep /mnt/d/ doesn't show anything? |
| 11:50.50 | sylvisj | apt-get install --show-versions? |
| 11:50.52 | strk | kevix: you mean they are *only* needed if I *do not* have kpresenter ? hard to belive |
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| 11:50.55 | rixth | I cannot play MP3s in Rhythmbox, I get this in the terminal: http://pastebin.com/518901 |
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| 11:51.13 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, nothing....I have stopped nfs and portmap as it was being used for nfs |
| 11:51.18 | TBBle | strk: Try removing it with dpkg, and see what it says about it. |
| 11:51.28 | xNinja | boottime.kmap.gz how to read it |
| 11:51.48 | sylvisj | gunzip boottime.kmap? |
| 11:51.53 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex and you only get 1 device busy message right? |
| 11:51.57 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.13 | EdLin | rixth: what distro are you running? |
| 11:52.17 | strk | ok, used dpkg -r and dropped koffice and kpresenter |
| 11:52.24 | sylvisj | rixth: Sorry man, I know little about that... I would suggest trying an apt-get install on that package that is missing, though |
| 11:52.26 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex make sure no shell is inside the device (pwd inside /mnt/d/) |
| 11:52.27 | kevix | strk: something are installed on my system that I dont know why, but I trust the folks. |
| 11:52.28 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, when I use umount yes. |
| 11:52.30 | rixth | Etch |
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| 11:52.39 | rixth | sylvisj, yeah, I have all the libatk stuff though |
| 11:52.47 | xNinja | /etc/console# more boottime.kmap |grep keymap |
| 11:52.48 | xNinja | keymaps 0-2,4-6,8-9,12 |
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| 11:53.10 | sylvisj | rixth: Odd. Can't help ya man, I'm a novice at this to begin with, and a KDE user on top of that. |
| 11:53.18 | TBBle | strk: Now apt-get install -f and see what hapens. |
| 11:53.23 | rixth | Ah yes, thanks for the iput though |
| 11:53.31 | sylvisj | Np |
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| 11:53.43 | sylvisj | Time to get me coffee and start on setting up WINE. |
| 11:53.49 | sylvisj | Anyone know of a decent Linux software mixer? |
| 11:53.49 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, nothing is open...no shell |
| 11:54.00 | strk | TBBle: no problems ;) |
| 11:54.15 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex this include the shell you use to do the umount :-p |
| 11:54.22 | TBBle | strk: Then you're fine. |
| 11:54.27 | kevix | sylvisj: aumix, gmix, kmix, alsamixer |
| 11:54.42 | rudenstam | crypt_ex: use lsof to find out what's in there.. easiest |
| 11:55.02 | rixth | sylvisj, if you want to go high-end, use Jack. |
| 11:55.06 | rixth | JACK rather |
| 11:55.07 | xNinja | i got it more /etc/environment |
| 11:55.16 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, I cd / then umount... I will make changes to fstab and then just reboot it. |
| 11:55.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:55.16 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:55.31 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex if you have symlinks from somewhere to inside /mnt/d/ you also have to grep for those |
| 11:55.49 | sylvisj | kevix: I mean a real mixer, like will output multiple channels |
| 11:55.58 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, ah will look through lsof manually. |
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| 11:56.13 | sylvisj | I'm using onboard sound which lacks a hardware mixer... without a software one, sound is only output through one channel |
| 11:56.24 | rixth | sylvisj, JACK does that :0 |
| 11:56.28 | sylvisj | *cough creative live 5.1* |
| 11:56.30 | tarzeau | !mixer |
| 11:56.30 | dpkg | hmm... mixer is aumix or some sort of GUI thing |
| 11:56.33 | rixth | It has lots of loadable modules etc too. |
| 11:56.33 | sylvisj | Awesome, I'll look into it |
| 11:56.39 | tatoo | i cannot visualize the content of my ftp server using wu-ftpd. can somebody help me to fix it? i've ready read the whole wu-ftpd howto. i can upload the file, i can even 'ls' it through the ssh client, but i can't just visualize it. can please somebody help me to figure out what is goin' on here? |
| 11:56.48 | nvz | hmm I just had a bunch of apps crash while I was in the kitchen 0_o |
| 11:56.51 | tarzeau | dpkg mixer is also gmix, kmix, alsamixer, volumecontrol.app |
| 11:56.51 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 11:57.43 | sylvisj | tarzeau, you're missing the point, I need something that will allow me to basically output more than one channel at once |
| 11:57.58 | tarzeau | sylvisj: yeah i got it |
| 11:58.00 | crypt_ex | Knight_Lord, nothing...rebooting it |
| 11:58.06 | tarzeau | sylvisj: you need a software mixer |
| 11:58.06 | sylvisj | :P |
| 11:58.16 | tarzeau | sylvisj: check audacity or schism |
| 11:58.25 | Knight_Lord | crypt_ex that's strange |
| 11:58.28 | tarzeau | sylvisj: or a better soundcard or soundsystem |
| 11:58.33 | sylvisj | ... audacity? I used that on windows. It isn't a mixer. |
| 11:58.42 | tarzeau | sylvisj: it's a sample editor |
| 11:58.44 | sylvisj | Got an audigy2 coming next week, but I Want my soudn now. |
| 11:58.50 | tarzeau | sylvisj: where you can mix two or more samples |
| 11:59.00 | tarzeau | sylvisj: maybe you need to ask your question again |
| 11:59.04 | TBBle | dmix is built in to Alsa now... |
| 11:59.15 | tarzeau | i don't care, opencubicplayer does what i want |
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| 11:59.42 | sylvisj | rixth: where would I go for info on/to get JACK? |
| 12:00.24 | sylvisj | Ok, this is annoying me, is there a way to re-do the initial KDE config, where it asks you how it should perform, how much visual effects, etc? |
| 12:00.37 | nvz | sylvisj: you don't know JACK! :P |
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| 12:00.51 | sylvisj | Lol, knew someone was gonna say that |
| 12:00.52 | rixth | sylvisj, I'd say Google. |
| 12:01.02 | rixth | I never used it, I just know it is what you want :P |
| 12:01.19 | sylvisj | :P Alrighty. Google is the 2nd place I go for debian help, this is the first. |
| 12:01.21 | scriptkiddie | I there a list of iCalendar-compatible organizers for Debian? I did apt-cache search icalendar, and found very little |
| 12:01.34 | nvz | sylvisj: you got your priorities mixed up |
| 12:02.22 | scriptkiddie | Help, I need to organize and prioritize my activities :-) |
| 12:02.27 | Knight_Lord | The nfs freeze was caused by a totally unrelated autofs |
| 12:03.05 | TBBle | Yeah, google's much smarter than this channel. It has the unlimited resources of the intarwebnet, while we've mainly gots bots with clever scripts and a couple of people who wander in every now and then. |
| 12:03.05 | nvz | wtf is an icalendar? |
| 12:03.32 | sylvisj | I'd have to say an internet calendar... |
| 12:03.34 | scriptkiddie | nvz: ask wikipedia, I think it's in RFC too |
| 12:03.45 | scriptkiddie | sylvisj: no, it's a standard |
| 12:03.52 | TBBle | Try "ical" rather than "icalendar", since that's what most things refer to it as. |
| 12:03.57 | tarzeau | scriptkiddie: agenda.app |
| 12:03.58 | sylvisj | o.0 Who the heck would name something icalendar? |
| 12:04.05 | tarzeau | sylvisj: apple people |
| 12:04.08 | nvz | sylvisj: apple |
| 12:04.10 | nvz | heh |
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| 12:04.21 | tarzeau | sylvisj: real people call it Calendar or Agenda (OPENSTEP) |
| 12:04.23 | sylvisj | Apple, makes sense, nvm. They use intel, so I could understand this. |
| 12:04.29 | sylvisj | Ahh, ok. |
| 12:04.30 | strk | oh... much better now, after getting rid of most KDE |
| 12:04.31 | scriptkiddie | TBBle: ical matches too much unrelated stuff |
| 12:04.41 | _rene_ | sylvisj: lol |
| 12:04.53 | tarzeau | how can i find *.ttf and *.otf with find ? |
| 12:05.01 | nvz | Apple has been using the 'i' prefix long before they ever thought about dealing with intel |
| 12:05.02 | strk | libsdl-mixer1.2-dev: 8 upgraded, 16 newly installed, 2 to remove and 422 not upgraded. |
| 12:05.09 | TBBle | scriptkiddie: Try adding a relevant keyword ("calendar" for example) then. |
| 12:05.18 | sylvisj | nvz: Yeah, but they could have really thought twice about 'icalendar' ^^ |
| 12:05.23 | _rene_ | tarzeau: uh.. |
| 12:05.24 | zignig | scriptkiddie: try schoolbell . |
| 12:05.30 | _rene_ | tarzeau: find <path> -name "*.*tf" |
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| 12:05.34 | _rene_ | tarzeau: man find :) |
| 12:05.42 | tarzeau | _rene_: uh, ok say *.abc and *.def ? |
| 12:05.47 | jm_ | tarzeau: find also supports logical operators, such as "and", "or" and "not" |
| 12:06.04 | tarzeau | _rene_: i read it but there's no example like that and -o or -a woudldn't print both |
| 12:06.22 | tarzeau | jm_: like -name "*.afm" -o -name "*.ttf" would only show me the latter |
| 12:06.47 | TBBle | tarzeau: Doesn't find have parentheses for grouping operators? |
| 12:07.03 | scriptkiddie | iCal came before Apple: http://annexia.org/freeware/ical (<- not packaged for Debian, it seems) |
| 12:07.03 | tarzeau | TBBle: probably, but i forgot how |
| 12:07.14 | sylvisj | scriptkiddie, didn't know. |
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| 12:07.33 | tarzeau | !debian font |
| 12:07.36 | tarzeau | !debianfont |
| 12:07.38 | sylvisj | Is there a way to re-run the KDE intial config, where it has you set up visual effects, etc.? |
| 12:07.42 | TBBle | I'd try find \( -name "*.afm" -o -name "*.ttf" \) |
| 12:07.43 | jm_ | tarzeau: no it shows both if it can find them |
| 12:07.44 | tarzeau | sylvisj: sure |
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| 12:07.46 | tarzeau | sylvisj: remove .kde |
| 12:08.11 | scriptkiddie | basically, as I understand it, iCal is an emergent interoperability standard for organizers. if yours doesn't support it, you'll be stuck with your choice of organizer for a while |
| 12:08.16 | AM|R | hi when /etc/init.d/resolvconf restart ; the /etc/resolv.conf become empty.. how can i remain the previous entry in the resolv.conf? |
| 12:08.22 | sylvisj | Oh my... I'll pass on the reinstall |
| 12:08.23 | AM|R | need helps |
| 12:08.29 | tarzeau | TBBle: nothing :( |
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| 12:08.35 | tarzeau | jm_: i swear it doesn't here |
| 12:08.42 | TBBle | tarzeau: Blast. I've got nothing then. |
| 12:08.58 | jm_ | tarzeau: find .|egrep 'ttf|afm' |
| 12:09.02 | tarzeau | jm_: i do this in /usr/share/fonts : find . -name "*.afm" -o -name "*.ttf" -type f -print |
| 12:09.14 | tarzeau | jm_: ahhh thanks |
| 12:09.28 | jm_ | tarzeau: -print is fucking it up ;) |
| 12:09.53 | tarzeau | jm_: true without -print it works.. |
| 12:10.01 | sylvisj | Wow, I just fell in love with testing |
| 12:10.06 | tarzeau | sylvisj: that's bad |
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| 12:10.21 | jm_ | tarzeau: but \( -name aaa -o -name bbb\) -print works |
| 12:10.25 | sylvisj | It found both my ca0106 onboard (which I spent a week and a half trying to get stable to read) and my emu10k1 sblive 5.1 (doesn't work in windows) |
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| 12:10.50 | inetd | how do you guys enable font hinding/smoothing (without gnome) ? |
| 12:10.53 | Jake | when i do "su httpd" i get rewarded with "su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." .. oh noes! :( |
| 12:10.57 | tarzeau | jm_: true |
| 12:11.00 | inetd | s/hinding/hinting |
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| 12:11.10 | jm_ | inetd: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 12:11.12 | tarzeau | inetd: we don't use gnome |
| 12:11.19 | AM|R | hi when /etc/init.d/resolvconf restart ; the /etc/resolv.conf become empty.. how can i remain the previous entry in the resolv.conf? |
| 12:11.27 | inetd | tarzeau: i said without gnome |
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| 12:12.39 | inetd | jm_: that doesnt really do much bout hinting, smoothing |
| 12:12.46 | AM|R | hi when /etc/init.d/resolvconf restart ; the /etc/resolv.conf become empty.. how can i remain the previous entry in the resolv.conf? |
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| 12:12.52 | jm_ | inetd: it asks you which hinter to use ... |
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| 12:13.48 | tarzeau | inetd: for what gui? |
| 12:13.57 | tarzeau | inetd: kde? x? for which application? |
| 12:14.06 | tarzeau | inetd: for which kind of fonts? |
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| 12:14.49 | zignig | tarzeau: WM war! |
| 12:15.01 | zignig | tarzeau: icewm for me ..... light fast and snifty. |
| 12:15.04 | tarzeau | zignig: it's not a WM |
| 12:15.12 | tarzeau | zignig: GNUstep is NOT a window manager |
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| 12:15.23 | tarzeau | and it can be used without X, which most window managers can not |
| 12:15.28 | zignig | tarzeau: what is it then ? , not used it. |
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| 12:15.45 | tarzeau | zignig: it's more than what just gtk/qt/motif are |
| 12:15.47 | sylvisj | What the heck |
| 12:15.53 | sylvisj | XMMS is playing everthing at like 2x speed |
| 12:15.56 | tarzeau | zignig: i'll leave the rest up to you, to find out |
| 12:16.03 | zignig | tarzeau: :P ok. |
| 12:16.05 | inetd | tarzeau: im using fluxbox |
| 12:16.10 | tarzeau | inetd: i don't give a shit |
| 12:16.22 | tarzeau | inetd: i've asked you where you want to configre the fonts |
| 12:16.26 | tarzeau | not what window manager you use |
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| 12:16.26 | tatoo | i cannot visualize the content of my ftp server using wu-ftpd. can somebody help me to fix it? i've ready read the whole wu-ftpd howto. i can upload the file, i can even 'ls' it through the ssh client, but i can't just visualize it. can please somebody help me to figure out what is goin' on here? |
| 12:16.27 | dimir | sylvisj: check it's output plugin. |
| 12:16.27 | sylvisj | How do I fix this? :s This is funked up |
| 12:16.30 | sylvisj | Alsa |
| 12:16.33 | sylvisj | What about it? |
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| 12:16.42 | dimir | it's fine. |
| 12:16.43 | tarzeau | inetd: and the answer would be: x, kde, gtk, motif, gtk2... |
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| 12:17.03 | inetd | tarzeau: x, gtk, gtk2, qt |
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| 12:17.13 | sylvisj | So... how do I fix this? Nothing like hearing Slipknot with squeaky highpitched voices |
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| 12:17.29 | zignig | tarzeau: gui/toolkit/n-stuff, cool. |
| 12:17.37 | dimir | sylvisj: :-)) |
| 12:17.46 | dimir | sylvisj: never heard of such thing. |
| 12:17.52 | tarzeau | inetd: i'm not sure if you can configure font hinting/smoothing for these |
| 12:17.59 | dimir | sylvisj: sure mp3's are fine? |
| 12:18.02 | tarzeau | zignig: gui is only one half, it's also non-gui |
| 12:18.08 | sylvisj | Yes |
| 12:18.17 | sylvisj | And it's doing it on all of them |
| 12:18.23 | zignig | tarzeau: hence the toolkit/n-stuff. ;) |
| 12:18.28 | sylvisj | Ok, BYOB at 2x speed if not faster just sounds fucked up... |
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| 12:18.43 | zignig | tarzeau: objective-c always borked my head, although i've heard it's good. |
| 12:18.56 | zignig | sylvisj: you need to uncheck the chipmunk box ;P |
| 12:18.57 | dimir | sylvisj: didn't do anything fancy to xmms? |
| 12:19.04 | tarzeau | zignig: i see |
| 12:19.14 | sylvisj | Nope. |
| 12:19.23 | sylvisj | zignig: :( IF only there was one |
| 12:19.49 | zignig | sylvisj: have you tried the same mp3 on another box ? |
| 12:20.04 | sylvisj | I just loaded them up from my windows partition |
| 12:20.07 | sylvisj | Well, shared |
| 12:20.13 | sylvisj | FAT32 5gig shared ^^ |
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| 12:20.27 | zignig | sylvisj: see that's your problem they have been infected with masty M$ bugs. |
| 12:20.36 | inetd | tarzeau: bah..then why ask for? |
| 12:20.37 | jeanjacques | do ou know a great tutorial to configure jabber on debian stable ? |
| 12:20.41 | sylvisj | zignig, they work fine on my mp3player and on windows |
| 12:20.43 | mathieu | what's the library called for handling commandline-like interfaces (with a command history & sucH) ? |
| 12:20.48 | sylvisj | And worked fine on debian sarge |
| 12:21.01 | zignig | mathieu: readline |
| 12:21.08 | jm_ | mathieu: getopt and readline |
| 12:21.19 | tarzeau | inetd: well if it would be gnustep |
| 12:21.21 | jm_ | you don't really need a library for the former |
| 12:21.29 | tarzeau | inetd: i know it can be configured systemwide, per user and per application |
| 12:21.29 | mathieu | zignig, jm_: thanks! |
| 12:22.15 | inetd | jm_: i'll have to live with the fontconfig then |
| 12:22.34 | jm_ | inetd: you can always copy it to ~/.fonts.conf and edit it by hand |
| 12:22.49 | jm_ | or is it .fonts.config? the one in /etc will reveal it |
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| 12:23.16 | jm_ | font.conf it is |
| 12:23.25 | sylvisj | Noatun just won't play anything |
| 12:24.18 | dino4k | hello, i tryed to install a jabberd2. I can now register with the server but if i try to connect i get a error my auth data for the server is wrong. |
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| 12:24.22 | sylvisj | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: 010908312D230C5F |
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| 12:24.47 | toni22 | someone knows how i can asociate ip with mac-address on arp table ? |
| 12:25.01 | zignig | toni22: arp -s ( for set ) |
| 12:25.02 | azeem | sylvisj: if that was a question, see /topic |
| 12:25.06 | d3v1l | does someone knows the address of marillat repository? i lost it |
| 12:25.12 | azeem | !marillat |
| 12:25.12 | dpkg | [marillat] (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 12:25.19 | d3v1l | thanks azeem |
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| 12:25.35 | zignig | toni22: man arp |
| 12:25.58 | toni22 | zignig, it works to reject nfs to unkown mac address ? |
| 12:26.07 | toni22 | i dont have iptables |
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| 12:26.20 | jetscreamer | !topicsmite sylvisj |
| 12:26.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sylvisj. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:26.35 | sylvisj | Heh. |
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| 12:27.02 | sylvisj | Ok, this is definately not a paste job. Gonna need someone to take a look at the output of that 2006 key thing once I have a link up |
| 12:27.10 | sylvisj | !paste |
| 12:27.10 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 12:27.37 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1623 |
| 12:28.10 | azeem | sylvisj: you did something wrong |
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| 12:28.19 | azeem | sylvisj: use another xterm/terminal, and try again |
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| 12:28.34 | sylvisj | That was my second attempt, same end. |
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| 12:28.51 | sylvisj | gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F is the part that gets me. |
| 12:28.57 | inetd | found it |
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| 12:29.05 | inetd | !tell jm_ about fontconfig |
| 12:29.06 | inetd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.17 | sylvisj | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | apt-key add - && apt-get update |
| 12:29.20 | sylvisj | Do this? |
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| 12:29.29 | azeem | sylvisj: eh, yes |
| 12:30.08 | sylvisj | Worked now. |
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| 12:33.19 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 12:34.58 | sylvisj | Hmm, XMMS isn't working with the JACK output module |
| 12:36.57 | AM|R | why i got DMA error? anyone got ideas? |
| 12:37.09 | asg | AM|R: paste the error please |
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| 12:37.25 | tarzeau | AM|R: who produced your harddisk? |
| 12:37.46 | AM|R | the error is /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0:<3>ata2:DMA timeout |
| 12:38.03 | AM|R | HP |
| 12:38.07 | sylvisj | ... |
| 12:38.11 | sylvisj | Seagate, Maxtor, etc. |
| 12:38.11 | tarzeau | HP makes harddisks? |
| 12:38.12 | AM|R | im installing debian on the HP server |
| 12:38.15 | sylvisj | HP Doesn't. |
| 12:38.16 | AM|R | oo |
| 12:38.23 | AM|R | sorry i will checked |
| 12:38.27 | AM|R | maxtor |
| 12:39.17 | xam | tarzeau: they often use Seagate and put a customised HP firmware on it and sell it under the HP label |
| 12:39.49 | AM|R | tarzeau maxtor |
| 12:39.50 | tarzeau | xam: ah, i've never seen such one, wonder how it appears in dmesg/hdparm |
| 12:39.58 | tarzeau | AM|R: k i've read it |
| 12:40.53 | AM|R | so how i can overcome the problems? |
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| 12:41.06 | xam | tarzeau: something like this: HP 18.2G ST318406LC HP04 |
| 12:41.28 | zignig | AM|R: try unplugging and replugging the disk , failing that replace it. |
| 12:41.50 | yang | hey xam ! |
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| 12:42.02 | xam | hi yang, long time no see ;) |
| 12:42.42 | AM|R | i did it.. and its works.. but can i fixed it? |
| 12:43.18 | AM|R | one more Server replied: 451 <amir@nex6.psr.org.my>: Temporary lookup failure |
| 12:43.24 | xam | tarzeau: incidently I also have a 'normal' Seagate in there, it is reported as "SEAGATE SX150176LC BA12" ... (HP04 and BA12 are the firmware revisions) |
| 12:43.59 | sylvisj | How would I kill the JACK audio server/ |
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| 12:49.07 | Skrot | Hi. After making a java package with make-jpkg, where is the jre put? |
| 12:49.12 | Skrot | The java library that is |
| 12:49.17 | jm_ | current dir |
| 12:49.20 | azeem | you should get a .deb which you can install |
| 12:49.24 | Skrot | I get the deb |
| 12:49.26 | Skrot | I've installed it |
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| 12:49.30 | Skrot | But eclipse is still using a old jre |
| 12:49.33 | azeem | Skrot: dpkg -c <foo>.deb |
| 12:49.39 | azeem | will tell you which files are in it |
| 12:49.45 | azeem | or dpkg -L <package> |
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| 12:53.04 | fgeek_ | can someone help me install bittorrent? |
| 12:53.27 | fgeek_ | it always whines about something stupid. |
| 12:53.33 | jm_ | you can install just like any other Debian package |
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| 12:53.35 | sylvisj | Such a descriptive error. |
| 12:53.46 | azeem | fgeek_: well, paste the error messages somewhere |
| 12:53.47 | azeem | !paster |
| 12:53.47 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 12:54.12 | fgeek_ | already done that. i am just searching the link. |
| 12:54.15 | fgeek_ | jm_, yep i know :) |
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| 12:55.27 | fgeek_ | now in start: http://rafb.net/paste/results/udhhAe30.html |
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| 12:56.12 | fgeek_ | and .. wait a second |
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| 12:56.50 | fgeek_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BzBts235.html |
| 12:56.57 | fgeek_ | azeem, can you help me? |
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| 12:57.13 | azeem | fgeek_: use apt-get, not dpkg |
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| 12:57.21 | fgeek_ | it says the same. |
| 12:57.35 | DFH | huhu, someone is using devilspie in unstable? |
| 12:57.58 | azeem | fgeek_: the same? |
| 12:58.12 | fgeek_ | same error message. |
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| 12:58.40 | fgeek | duh :) |
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| 12:59.48 | azeem | fgeek: where do you have the .deb from anyway? |
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| 12:59.56 | azeem | unstable (net): 3.4.2-6: all |
| 13:00.05 | fgeek | i got it from netsite. |
| 13:00.12 | fgeek | www.bittorrent.com |
| 13:00.20 | azeem | fgeek: well, maybe it is broken? |
| 13:00.27 | fgeek | as i said it should work as good as apt-get packet. |
| 13:00.30 | azeem | fgeek: try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 13:00.33 | resiak | !tell DFH -about anyone use |
| 13:00.38 | fgeek | nope. i got same error on apt-get.. |
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| 13:00.51 | jm_ | you'll have to install with with dpkg and appropriate options |
| 13:00.51 | azeem | fgeek: did you try -f install? |
| 13:00.58 | jm_ | or remove the old one first |
| 13:01.11 | azeem | fgeek: why don't you use the one from Debian? |
| 13:01.19 | fgeek | azeem, yeah and it doesn't help. i'm not stupid. |
| 13:01.20 | jm_ | ahh wait this is a different issue now |
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| 13:01.35 | azeem | fgeek: because the package is broken, perhaps? |
| 13:01.37 | Snadder | anyone have any clue about how much cpu is used when transfering large amount of traffic over an vpn tunnel.. how much traffic can a normal pc handle? |
| 13:01.46 | fgeek | azeem, god damit.. didn't i just show you pastes. its newer one. |
| 13:01.53 | azeem | fgeek: dude |
| 13:02.04 | fgeek | Snadder, not much. vpn isn't for big packets. |
| 13:02.04 | azeem | fgeek: if you install .debs from somewhere, don't expect apt-get to work |
| 13:02.18 | fgeek | lol did i expect it? ;) |
| 13:02.22 | azeem | fgeek: so, look at the .deb manually, and figure out what else it needs |
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| 13:03.07 | Snadder | fgeek, what if i'm having a constant stream of 100mbit over an vpn tunnel.. how much cpu is used then? |
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| 13:04.11 | fgeek | Snadder, i really know the numbers, but i think it takes much |
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| 13:04.57 | Snadder | fgeek, ok.. so.. do you know if it exist some other easy encryption vpn like tunnels.. which dosnt take that much cpu? |
| 13:05.18 | resiak | DFH: Anyway, I do. What's up? |
| 13:05.37 | fgeek | Snadder, good SSL |
| 13:05.49 | fgeek | but vpn is better for security. |
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| 13:06.08 | AM|R | hi i got problems with resolvconf |
| 13:06.33 | AM|R | each time i reboot my server the /etc/resolv.conf keep back to default |
| 13:06.40 | AM|R | what can i do?.. need helps |
| 13:07.05 | azeem | AM|R: you use DHCP, I assumeß |
| 13:07.06 | azeem | ? |
| 13:07.10 | asg | for a server? |
| 13:08.10 | sylvisj | Hey, how do I restart the JACK audio server? |
| 13:08.23 | asg | sylvisj: at a guess, /etc/init.d/jackd restart |
| 13:08.31 | sylvisj | Ty, will try it |
| 13:08.33 | Phated | JACK-off :P |
| 13:08.42 | sylvisj | Lol |
| 13:08.50 | asg | Phated: for restart, it would be JACK-around |
| 13:08.51 | sylvisj | Hey, I need a software mixer, and JACK answered the call |
| 13:08.58 | Phated | asg: Ah yes. |
| 13:09.14 | Phated | sylvisj: Yes, but it's always amusing to make fun of free software names. :) |
| 13:09.22 | asg | Phated: circle-jerk basically |
| 13:09.33 | Phated | *snort* |
| 13:09.48 | xam | AM|R: make sure you haven't installed the 'resolvconf' package ... |
| 13:11.03 | sylvisj | ... what ya guys got against JACK? |
| 13:11.50 | cahoot | sylvisj: it's overkill for most people - unless you produce music |
| 13:12.04 | DFH | resiak: you got an example config for me? I think the new s-expression thing is just crap shit |
| 13:12.07 | sylvisj | I don't know of other software mixers... I just learned of this today |
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| 13:12.26 | Phated | sylvisj: Nothing. We make fun of everything. |
| 13:12.32 | sylvisj | Ahh, k |
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| 13:13.56 | sylvisj | Wish I knew a decent ammount about it and could get it set up |
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| 13:14.38 | resiak | DFH: It's far less work to type than the old format. |
| 13:14.43 | resiak | DFH: /j #flood |
| 13:15.36 | DFH | resiak: sek |
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| 13:16.06 | sylvisj | Jeez, how do I stop anything and everything using HW:0? |
| 13:16.31 | raf256[laptop] | wtf is HW:0 sylvisj? |
| 13:16.38 | sylvisj | Sound |
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| 13:16.46 | sylvisj | Onboard sound |
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| 13:17.07 | resiak | the first alsa device |
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| 13:17.34 | cahoot | sylvisj: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0Dop |
| 13:17.44 | cahoot | sylvisj: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
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| 13:18.10 | Knight_Lord | I have a problem with automount. I'm getting the following message: Failed to initialize lookup module for (null) |
| 13:18.20 | sylvisj | JACK compiled with System V SHM support. | loading driver .. | apparent rate = 44100 | creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|512|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit | control device hw:0 | the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again | cannot load driver module alsa | no message buffer overruns |
| 13:18.22 | Knight_Lord | This happens when i run /usr/sbin/automount --timeout=60 /home /etc/auto.home |
| 13:18.30 | Knight_Lord | Any idea why? |
| 13:18.55 | jm_ | where did you get auto.home? |
| 13:18.56 | sylvisj | Nothing comes up for a user, cahoot |
| 13:19.33 | Knight_Lord | jm_ yes i have a auto.home |
| 13:19.45 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: I asked you where did you get it from |
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| 13:19.52 | Knight_Lord | jm_ i created it |
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| 13:20.27 | cahoot | sylvisj: either jackd or you are wrong |
| 13:21.10 | sylvisj | I'm leaning on jackd... I'ma test out the capabilties of my SB Live on linux. Switching speakers from onboard to card and vice versa is gonna get annoying |
| 13:21.33 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: is it executable? |
| 13:21.50 | Knight_Lord | jm_ i was missing file before /etc/auto.home |
| 13:22.07 | Knight_Lord | jm_ but now i get /home: mount failed |
| 13:22.22 | Knight_Lord | jm_ from /usr/sbin/automount --timeout=60 /home file /etc/auto.home |
| 13:22.32 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: it says a bit more than that in logs when it tries to mount something |
| 13:22.42 | Knight_Lord | jm_ ok i'll check it out |
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| 13:23.30 | goron | All of my Adobe fonts are of this form: -adobe-utopia-bold-i-normal--15-140-75-75-p-82-iso10646-1 |
| 13:23.37 | goron | Note the two dashes --. |
| 13:23.41 | Knight_Lord | jm_ i got an already mounted error. Now it worked, thanks |
| 13:23.53 | goron | This confuses some applications. |
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| 13:23.59 | goron | What can I do about this? |
| 13:24.15 | Knight_Lord | jm_ but still it completely locks when i try to access anything inside /home |
| 13:24.35 | xam | goron: perhaps use a '-*-' instead of '--' |
| 13:24.43 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: NFS? |
| 13:24.55 | Knight_Lord | jm_ precisely |
| 13:25.07 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: that's not autofs related |
| 13:25.07 | Knight_Lord | jm_ i tried mounting the directory by hand with autofs stopped and it works |
| 13:25.23 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: then you're not using the same mount options in either |
| 13:25.24 | Knight_Lord | jm_ and ls it and everything and it works fine |
| 13:25.32 | Knight_Lord | jm_ possibly |
| 13:25.56 | goron | xam: what do you mean? |
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| 13:26.06 | goron | xaep: this is emacs which can't find the font. |
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| 13:26.14 | Knight_Lord | jm_ auto.home doesn't specify any options. It's simply something like filipe davinci.bmc.uu.se:/homes/davinci/& |
| 13:26.14 | goron | xam: that was for you |
| 13:26.32 | xam | Knight_Lord: the auto.* scripts are executable and return a text output that is fed to the automountd. Try to execute your auto.home and see whether it locks up |
| 13:26.33 | DFH | resiak: is there an online doc? |
| 13:26.49 | Knight_Lord | I found the problem :-) |
| 13:27.05 | Knight_Lord | xam actually mines are not exec |
| 13:27.07 | jm_ | xam: they can be executable or not |
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| 13:27.19 | Knight_Lord | The problem was that davinci and davinci.bmc.uu.se were resolving to different names |
| 13:27.23 | Knight_Lord | IPs i mean |
| 13:27.30 | resiak | DFH: No. Indeed, I believe that the only way to get a full list of commands is to read the source code (which is what I did, because I built the rewrite from source the day it came out). The author might welcome you writing docs and giving them to him |
| 13:27.39 | Knight_Lord | Stupid DNS problem. Thanks for the help |
| 13:27.44 | xam | goron: eewww, emacs. Sorry, you're on your own there, I avoid emacs |
| 13:27.52 | jm_ | goron: that's a style name and there's no reason it has to be filled |
| 13:27.59 | DFH | resiak: yeah |
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| 13:29.39 | xam | jm_: oh yes, you're right. They can be both ... |
| 13:29.39 | goron | jm_: Ok, but somehow Emacs can't find it, while clearly it is there. My font-setup is broken? |
| 13:29.39 | orjan | Using I nxserver I get logged on using desktop custom but get no windowmanger. How do I config for a windowmanager, say blackbox? |
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| 13:30.55 | jm_ | goron: no, looks fine to me - does it work in xterm? btw, you don't want to use this font in an editor unless it's really mono |
| 13:31.34 | goron | jm_: It's for auctex. |
| 13:31.48 | goron | jm_: How do I know whether it works in xterm? |
| 13:32.08 | goron | jm_: or do you mean my setting it in Xresources? |
| 13:32.24 | goron | jm_: (of which I don't know the exact syntax for xterm) |
| 13:32.52 | raf256 | damn |
| 13:33.07 | raf256 | why STILL the damn changelog site @ packages.debian is down? |
| 13:33.09 | raf256 | after weeks! |
| 13:34.15 | asg | raf256: because it is broken, staffed by volunteers, etc. |
| 13:34.35 | raf256 | asg: huh? the server is broken? |
| 13:34.49 | raf256 | asg: I thought debian was serious enought project to have some backups |
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| 13:35.08 | raf256 | week server downtime - thats a shame imho |
| 13:35.21 | asg | raf256: it does. changelogs isn't a requirement for running debian. |
| 13:35.43 | raf256 | why the changelogetc server broke actually? |
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| 13:35.54 | asg | raf256: dunno, ask dondelelcaro. |
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| 13:36.30 | asg | raf256: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi (status of all project kit) |
| 13:36.37 | hjjhjh | nas alguno habla español |
| 13:36.43 | raf256 | !es |
| 13:36.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:37.21 | raf256 | hjjhjh: /j #debian-es |
| 13:37.29 | hjjhjh | thx |
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| 13:37.56 | jm_ | goron: xterm -fn ... |
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| 13:38.49 | asg | raf256: http://changelogs.debian.net/ (seems fine though) |
| 13:39.07 | goron | jm_: term: unable to open font "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--20-140-100-100-p-105-iso8859-1", trying "fixed".... |
| 13:39.24 | jm_ | goron: xterm can't open it but xlsfonts shows it? |
| 13:39.31 | goron | jm_: Correct |
| 13:39.40 | jm_ | goron: are you using latest X.org packages? |
| 13:39.49 | goron | jm_: I think so. |
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| 13:40.25 | goron | jm_: No, I don't. |
| 13:40.28 | jm_ | goron: ok that may be why, several people have showed upw ith fonts problems, apparently something related to no support for bytecode something, I am not familiar with details, and this is pure speculation |
| 13:40.31 | goron | jm_: I run 6.8.2 |
| 13:40.52 | goron | jm_: Should I upgrade to 6.9? |
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| 13:41.23 | jm_ | goron: no idea, people that reported this problem were using 6.9 so it's doubtful if it will change anything |
| 13:41.42 | goron | jm_: Oh, ok, so you know the problem. |
| 13:41.49 | goron | jm_: Is there a work-around? |
| 13:42.09 | jm_ | goron: I said I'm just speculating and this might be one of the reasons |
| 13:42.29 | raf256 | asg: when I try to download change logs in Synaptic I get garbage HTML page with "sorry for down etc" info |
| 13:42.37 | goron | jm_: I know, but I meant that you know the problem, not nec. the solution. |
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| 13:43.05 | goron | jm_: I.e. I know the problem of cracking a key, but not an efficient solution. |
| 13:43.07 | asg | raf256: never used synaptic. Check the bts, it might be a known bug |
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| 13:44.00 | jm_ | goron: nope, someone said he recompiled with that option enabled and it didn't change things - best to check BTS and mailing lists |
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| 13:44.51 | rahikkala | Where's the logic that sets TZ (i.e. switches between daylight savings / no daylight savings)? |
| 13:45.03 | goron | jm_: Do you happen to know a BTS reference? |
| 13:45.30 | dimir | Ohujenno! |
| 13:45.54 | jm_ | goron: I don't even know if it's in BTS at all :) |
| 13:46.06 | asg | e: /j #tards |
| 13:46.06 | jm_ | rahikkala: /etc/localtime |
| 13:46.13 | goron | jm_: Oh, well, since I couldn't find it with Google. |
| 13:46.23 | scanwinder | i just installed a different kernel on my laptop (2.4.27-2-586tsc) and when it booting, it gets to "Starting PCMCIA services", the screen gets willed it things like [<c289c024>] and the screen just keeps getting filled with them. |
| 13:46.30 | goron | jm_: and since Google knows all => there is no such thing :) |
| 13:46.36 | jm_ | scanwinder: kernel oops |
| 13:46.57 | scanwinder | jm_: kernel oops? how does one fix this? |
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| 13:47.12 | jm_ | scanwinder: well first thing to try would be a more recent kernel |
| 13:47.37 | scanwinder | jm_: that was the most recent tsc one in the stable repository |
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| 13:47.54 | jm_ | scanwinder: I know, but that doesn't mean there are no newer kernels |
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| 13:48.22 | scanwinder | jm_: yes but ive had dependencys go nuts when ive gotten them from other repos |
| 13:48.30 | jm_ | scanwinder: such as? |
| 13:48.45 | bbrazil | p: could you stop that please? |
| 13:48.47 | scanwinder | jm_: like the unstable one..........which repo should i use? |
| 13:48.49 | jm_ | !ops someone please get rid of nick change troller |
| 13:48.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: someone please get rid of nick change troller |
| 13:48.54 | jm_ | scanwinder: backports.org |
| 13:49.19 | scanwinder | jm_: whats the line for that i need to put in my sources.list? |
| 13:49.28 | crypt_ex | Why doesnt 'screen -X top' execute top in the open screen? no errors, think its worked before as well :S |
| 13:49.29 | jm_ | scanwinder: http://backports.org/ and read |
| 13:49.40 | scanwinder | jm_: ok |
| 13:49.54 | rahikkala | jm_: OK... hm... then something here doesn't know what timezone Europe/Helsinki is on... I just experimented with symlinking /etc/localtime from different places in in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ and... hm... Mexico City worked, Helsinki and Adelaide didn't... |
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| 13:50.07 | asg | azeem: thanks |
| 13:50.21 | rahikkala | No, wait, Adelaide worked, too |
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| 13:50.29 | shishi | hello all |
| 13:50.31 | jm_ | rahikkala: as in it reports wrong time? |
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| 13:50.55 | rahikkala | jm_: It reports UTC time |
| 13:51.17 | shishi | i use sid under gnome n but i notice that firefox freeze a lot ...same for others here ? |
| 13:51.20 | jm_ | rahikkala: it reports EET for me |
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| 13:52.17 | rahikkala | jm_: Well, I don't know what was going on, but I fixed it worked around it by symlinking /etc/localtime from /usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/Europe/Helsinki instead |
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| 13:53.08 | jm_ | rahikkala: weird shit |
| 13:53.55 | tdn | I have a server with Debian stable. The hardware is a VIA Mini-ITX board with an 800MHz CPU. I would like to measure the CPU temperature on this server. How do I do that? Is there a package with some programs that Just Works(TM)? |
| 13:53.56 | harm1988 | when i do ls /var/liv/mysql it shows two items.. how do i check if there is another directory in /var/lib/mysql |
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| 13:54.25 | \xe6var | tdn: use a thermometer |
| 13:54.39 | tdn | \xe6var: I can't. |
| 13:54.39 | jm_ | tdn: do you know if it supports that? |
| 13:54.43 | miki | typing apt-get install xfce4(or kde or gnome) tells me that it wont install, that im installing only one package and some files are missing... what to do? |
| 13:54.48 | rahikkala | harm1988: ls -A |
| 13:54.54 | tdn | jm_: I was hoping that someone in here knew. |
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| 13:55.15 | jm_ | tdn: well run sensors-detect after installing appropriate packages |
| 13:55.21 | jm_ | or look at ACPI stuff it it can do that |
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| 13:55.57 | juice` | what happend to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ ? i think it should have 3 iso inside, and it has 2 empty files, and a 16KB one. |
| 13:56.44 | tdn | jm_: erh.. Appropriate packages? How do I know which packages are appropriate for this? (It is kinda what I was asking for in the first place :)) |
| 13:57.04 | jm_ | tdn: find out which package has that command ... |
| 13:57.11 | tdn | jm_: ok. |
| 13:57.35 | miki | typing apt-get install xfce4(or kde or gnome) tells me that it wont install, that im installing only one package and some files are missing... what to do? im getting list of packages, but command says that they arent required for installation but they are missing(or various other crap). should i install those packages first before installing xfce4? |
| 13:57.37 | goron | tdn: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update;apt-file search <thefile> |
| 13:57.51 | tdn | goron: ok. Thanks. |
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| 13:58.06 | sweet_kate | how do i extract a rar archive? |
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| 13:58.38 | ronin | sweet_kate: unrar |
| 13:58.38 | Alam_Debian | rar x myfile.rar |
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| 13:59.09 | harm1988 | if mIRC didnt exist my life would be so much harder |
| 13:59.30 | miki | awww... anyone know whats wrong? |
| 13:59.32 | jm_ | thanks everyone, on behalf of sweet_kate |
| 13:59.39 | tdn | ronin, Alam_Debian: Is rar included in stable? |
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| 13:59.44 | jm_ | yes it is |
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| 13:59.47 | harm1988 | it is? |
| 14:00.09 | azeem | miki: put up the apt-get output on a pastebin |
| 14:00.11 | azeem | !paster |
| 14:00.11 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 14:00.29 | strider | tdn: it's shareware though |
| 14:00.38 | tdn | strider: ok. |
| 14:00.55 | s-andy | hi, all. i need nice looking webmail (better with maildir support) that supports mysql |
| 14:01.04 | s-andy | can you recommend something? |
| 14:01.17 | IsaacHaze | is there any way to decrease mouse sensitivity other than 'xset m'? |
| 14:03.26 | harm1988 | iam using postfix |
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| 14:04.45 | tdn | goron: apt-file update gives med http://channels.debian.net/paste/1624 |
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| 14:04.52 | tdn | goron: s/med/me/ |
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| 14:07.13 | miki | typing apt-get install xfce4(or kde or gnome) tells me that it wont install, that im installing only one package and some files are missing... what to do? im getting list of packages, but command says that they arent required for installation but they are missing(or various other crap). should i install those? |
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| 14:07.43 | popeye22 | msg dpkg testing security |
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| 14:09.00 | goron | tdn: I don't know. |
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| 14:09.27 | jm_ | tdn: ignore that error |
| 14:10.22 | Kurtism | why do I keep seeing this error: "kernel: icmp v4 hw csum failure" |
| 14:10.33 | tdn | jm_: ok. |
| 14:10.44 | Kurtism | "hw tcp v4 csum failed" |
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| 14:10.57 | scanwinder | jm_: i added backports and, 2.4.27-2-586tsc is still the latest tsc kernel showing up |
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| 14:11.08 | jm_ | scanwinder: yes, however they also have 2.6 |
| 14:11.24 | TeslaZap | hi! |
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| 14:11.33 | scanwinder | jm_: where do i find the 2.6 tsc kernel? its not in backports |
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| 14:12.46 | Kurtism | hello? |
| 14:12.55 | scanwinder | hi |
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| 14:13.35 | jm_ | scanwinder: check if they have something that's compatible with your CPU, otherwise build your own |
| 14:13.55 | Kurtism | so any idea on that error message I see in my log file? |
| 14:14.17 | Kurtism | Jan 22 03:05:40 mail kernel: hw tcp v4 csum failed |
| 14:14.20 | miki | anyone here did "apt-get install" kde or gnome or xfce4 ? i got some problems |
| 14:14.29 | asg | Kurtism: the nic may be going bad |
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| 14:14.32 | scanwinder | jm_: they have ones that are compatible but would run slow on it(its a pentium 166) and, im not experienced enough to build my own kernel, all my previous attempts have failed |
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| 14:14.35 | Kurtism | really |
| 14:14.42 | inetd | hey after installing udev my /dev/mixer is gone |
| 14:14.44 | jm_ | scanwinder: how do you know it will run slow? |
| 14:14.48 | Kurtism | you think that could cause hangups? |
| 14:14.53 | inetd | i use a via82xx driver + alsa for sound |
| 14:15.02 | scanwinder | jm_: have done it before when i had debian on the laptop |
| 14:15.03 | inetd | has anyone had this issue? |
| 14:15.07 | scanwinder | jm_: i tried both |
| 14:15.07 | asg | Kurtism: it could be. How often do you get that error? |
| 14:15.16 | inetd | only came up after hotplug removed and udev was installed |
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| 14:15.27 | Kurtism | it seems random but at least 10 or 20 times a day |
| 14:15.27 | jm_ | scanwinder: I highly doubt you'll be able to tell the difference ;) |
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| 14:15.45 | cahoot | inetd: what app looks for it? |
| 14:16.02 | Kurtism | our OpenGroupware.org server locks up every once in awhile and I have to kill the process |
| 14:16.19 | Kurtism | that's the server this error occurs on |
| 14:16.44 | inetd | cahoot: well any app...xine...wmmix..mplayer...etc..etc |
| 14:16.57 | asg | Kurtism: it could be bad cabling, bumb switch, etc. I'd start by trying a new nic. |
| 14:17.01 | inetd | cahoot: /dev/dsp is missing too |
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| 14:17.16 | cahoot | inetd: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
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| 14:17.40 | britt | is there any recovery for "rm"'d files |
| 14:17.41 | britt | ? |
| 14:17.54 | asg | britt: backups |
| 14:17.56 | tarzeau | britt: no |
| 14:17.59 | britt | thx. |
| 14:18.05 | britt | it was just a index file. |
| 14:18.10 | bizkit | britt: which fs? |
| 14:18.14 | inetd | cahoot: what are you on about? i dont use oss |
| 14:18.16 | asg | britt: depending on the filesystem, you may be able to recover a file though |
| 14:18.17 | britt | bizkit: ext3 |
| 14:18.20 | inetd | cahoot: its alsa |
| 14:18.30 | bizkit | britt: no chance then |
| 14:18.31 | scanwinder | jm_: i can tell the difference |
| 14:18.35 | cahoot | inetd: so why do you expect /dev/dsp? |
| 14:18.42 | scanwinder | jm_: its a very slow computer |
| 14:18.52 | britt | asg: yeah, I have a backup tar but its around 1GB. withlike 10000 files in it |
| 14:18.55 | jm_ | scanwinder: between a 386 and tsc kernel? naah |
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| 14:19.07 | asg | britt: if you are inclined, you might look at libtrash for the future |
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| 14:19.14 | scanwinder | jm_: i can..... |
| 14:19.15 | cahoot | inetd: /dev/dsp need alsas oss emulation ie snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:19.24 | britt | asg: but it wont help me now? |
| 14:19.27 | asg | scanwinder: then use the 2.4.27 kernel or compile your own. |
| 14:19.28 | asg | britt: no |
| 14:19.29 | britt | asg: oh well.... |
| 14:19.33 | britt | :) thanks guys |
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| 14:19.44 | britt | does anybody use RFS? |
| 14:19.47 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone knows where i can find LED cables like the ones RAID controller cards use? |
| 14:19.54 | scanwinder | asg: actually looks like the smp kernel is good with PPro |
| 14:19.56 | britt | I heard it was faster? but less reliable |
| 14:20.05 | inetd | cahoot: i never had snd-pcm-oss loaded or compiled into kernel and i used to get /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer with hotplug |
| 14:20.14 | britt | asg: I use the smp kernel with Ppro it works VERY well |
| 14:20.23 | cahoot | inetd: as I said above |
| 14:20.42 | asg | britt: scanwinder is the one having issues ;) |
| 14:20.42 | jm_ | scanwinder: PPro is a 686 CPU |
| 14:20.54 | britt | scanwinder: use the smp kernel. |
| 14:21.02 | asg | Pentium Classic is a 586 |
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| 14:21.05 | jm_ | indeed |
| 14:21.15 | britt | jm_: not really. the 686 was amd's poor attempt at making a pentium upgrade |
| 14:21.20 | scanwinder | jm_: well is a pentium mmx 166 586 or 686? |
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| 14:21.23 | jm_ | and quite frankly, I don't believe you can tell the difference between a 386 and tsc kernel |
| 14:21.26 | Knight_Lord | What i mean is where can i buy LED connectors? |
| 14:21.42 | inetd | cahoot: i never had asla oss emulation..im telling it worked still |
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| 14:21.50 | nvz | Knight_Lord: wtf is a LED connector? |
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| 14:22.00 | britt | scanwinder: whats wrong with your kernel? |
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| 14:22.12 | jm_ | scanwinder: it's a Pentium, so not 686 - kernel has separate option for MMX and Classic |
| 14:22.13 | jm_ | britt: no |
| 14:22.13 | inetd | cahoot: if i ever enabled alsa oss emulation on my kernel i would know..i compiled it many many times |
| 14:22.25 | britt | scanwinder: ive messed with the p-pro for years now. Dual 333 overdrive processors :) |
| 14:22.31 | cahoot | inetd: if you actually had /dev/dsp your system in some way enabled alsas oss emulation for you |
| 14:22.36 | britt | jm_: I see what you all were talking about now. |
| 14:22.36 | scanwinder | britt: i just installed a different kernel on my laptop (2.4.27-2-586tsc) and when it booting, it gets to "Starting PCMCIA services", the screen gets willed it things like [<c289c024>] and the screen just keeps getting filled with them. |
| 14:22.45 | Knight_Lord | nvz for example the cable that connects between a 3ware controller LED pins and the case LED (for example in hotswap systems) |
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| 14:23.15 | inetd | cahoot: what bout /dev/mixer? |
| 14:23.29 | cahoot | inetd: the same |
| 14:23.31 | jm_ | he could simply get Debian kernel source, use its config and enable support for Pentium MMX or Classic, whichever he has, shouldn't be that hard |
| 14:23.32 | britt | scanwinder: isnt 2.4 pretty old? why would you need the 2.4 anyway, when the 2.6 is better. is there a specific reason for using that? |
| 14:23.48 | scanwinder | britt: where do i get the 2.6 tsc kernel? |
| 14:23.56 | cahoot | inetd: the native alsa devices are to be found in /dev/snd |
| 14:24.07 | hueh | I know awstats is (considered) very unsecure - but how do ppl here find-out about other "known unsecure" services, e.g. webmin - that we were running until recently? |
| 14:24.16 | nvz | Knight_Lord: no, my way of thinking says there is no such connector in a hotswap system.. if its hotswap everything, power, data, status lights..etc should all be in the same connector. |
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| 14:24.29 | britt | scanwinder: idk, i just used the smp kernel. it works very well. remarkably and surprisingly well actually. |
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| 14:24.51 | nvz | Knight_Lord: I think I know what you mean though.. basically a wire like that used on a cdrom for audio, but with only two pins |
| 14:24.59 | scanwinder | britt: smp 686 kernel? will that work on pentium mmx? |
| 14:25.08 | Knight_Lord | nvz it's somewhat similar |
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| 14:25.17 | scanwinder | britt: i thought it was 586(tho never was completely sure) |
| 14:25.24 | britt | scanwinder: do you have a p-pro or a pentium mmx? I thought you said you had a ppro? |
| 14:25.26 | Knight_Lord | nvz but runs from the 3ware controllers cards to the back of the hotswap bays |
| 14:25.29 | Knight_Lord | http://www.3ware.com/support/UserDocs/3ware9550SXInstallGuide.pdf |
| 14:25.32 | wangbin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.37 | nvz | Knight_Lord: no idea where to find that stuff.. usually they give things like that away at computer expos. |
| 14:25.41 | scanwinder | britt: i think mmx...its a 166 if that helps... |
| 14:25.48 | inetd | cahoot: so for me to get an application like wmmixer i need to have oss emulation for alsa ? |
| 14:25.50 | nvz | Knight_Lord: they always got spare faceplates and cables and shit laying around |
| 14:26.14 | cahoot | inetd: if it looks for /dev/mixer I'd say so |
| 14:26.14 | britt | scanwinder: so its not a ppro at all? I'd use the 2.6.8.2-386 kernel... |
| 14:26.17 | abrotman | scanwinder: no |
| 14:26.19 | Knight_Lord | nvz i'm not sure if i lost some cables or if they never came but i don't have enough cables for my cards |
| 14:26.23 | abrotman | !686 |
| 14:26.24 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
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| 14:26.34 | scanwinder | ah ok |
| 14:26.35 | nvz | Knight_Lord: that sucks |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | scanwinder: are you sure it's not a PPro ? |
| 14:27.00 | Knight_Lord | nvz they're not really needed, but they're rather handy to know which drive failed |
| 14:27.06 | britt | scanwinder: knowing what processor you have is very important |
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| 14:27.12 | scanwinder | abrotman: i think its mmx but, im not sure.....its clock speed is 166mhz if that helps... |
| 14:27.13 | inetd | cahoot: ok cool...thanks for clearing that out for me.... |
| 14:27.21 | nvz | Knight_Lord: it sounds like a simple DC power cable.. you can probably find something at radio shack or build on pretty easily |
| 14:27.22 | cahoot | inetd: ok |
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| 14:27.31 | britt | scanwinder: not really. I think the ppro's were 166 as well. |
| 14:27.58 | jm_ | scanwinder: /proc/cpuinfo identifies it |
| 14:27.59 | Victorialea | Hello |
| 14:28.08 | britt | scanwinder: isnt there a cpuid utility for linux? cpuid worked very well for windowz |
| 14:28.21 | britt | scanwinder: jm_ 's got it. |
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| 14:28.30 | scanwinder | ah its MMX |
| 14:28.41 | scanwinder | ok so 2.6.8.2-386? |
| 14:28.48 | Knight_Lord | nvz yea the cable is very very simple, the only problem is get the connectors, because otherwise it's gonna take me a long long time to wire them manually |
| 14:28.52 | jm_ | well you can try that |
| 14:28.53 | scanwinder | (lasttime i went for a tsc one and it was faster) |
| 14:28.58 | jm_ | but it's also a bit outdated |
| 14:29.00 | Victorialea | uhm, ive just installed debian but i need some help |
| 14:29.06 | Knight_Lord | nvz it's a total of 64 pins |
| 14:29.43 | nvz | Knight_Lord: hmm. I thought it was just a little 2 wire thing.. who knows *shurg* |
| 14:29.50 | scanwinder | well i intend on custom compiling my kernel at some point anyway so ill go with 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 14:30.12 | inetd | cahoot: how do i get snd-pcm-oss to autoload using udev? |
| 14:30.24 | abrotman | scanwinder: there was a 166 PPro |
| 14:30.25 | inetd | cahoot: or even auto start during startup? |
| 14:30.40 | Knight_Lord | nvz like i said it's similar to the CDROM audio stuff but 16 wires instead of just 2. And it's several servers |
| 14:30.41 | abrotman | scanwinder: /proc/cpuinfo should yield more info |
| 14:30.42 | scanwinder | abrotman: in /proc/cpuinfo, it said MMX |
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| 14:30.58 | abrotman | scanwinder: that just means it has that instruction set .. afaik .. anything PPro and later says taht |
| 14:31.11 | Victorialea | i get this at boot: PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 06:03.1. Please try using pci=biosirq. |
| 14:31.14 | scanwinder | abrotman: oh |
| 14:31.22 | jm_ | PPro 200 that I have doesn't mention MMX |
| 14:31.24 | abrotman | scanwinder: for instance .. i have a PIII here .. and it has the same |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | scanwinder: let me check a PPro machien i have here |
| 14:31.46 | jm_ | just look at model line in cpuinfo |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | scanwinder: jm_ is right .. PPro doesn't mention mmx |
| 14:32.21 | abrotman | and the Model Name says "Pentium Pro" |
| 14:32.22 | scanwinder | ok |
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| 14:33.04 | funktion | Anyone know how you can disable the MAXIMIZE button on a wxPython application? |
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| 14:33.29 | azeem | funktion: isn't that done by the window manager? |
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| 14:33.47 | jm_ | the application can hint to not display it AFAIK |
| 14:33.48 | azeem | you can give the WM hints to not diplay/do it, I gues |
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| 14:33.56 | azeem | dunno if wxPython has those |
| 14:34.03 | funktion | hurrm, i see |
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| 14:34.43 | inetd | cahoot: u there? |
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| 14:37.34 | orjan | Using I nxserver I get logged on using desktop custom but get no windowmanger. How do I config for a windowmanager, say blackbox? |
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| 14:40.38 | inetd | do you still use /etc/modules.autoload? |
| 14:40.47 | djp | does totem (the default movie player used by a desktop install of debian sarge) support ogm files and if so does anyone know what the quality of playback is? |
| 14:41.13 | resiak | djp: ogm is ogg, I believe, so "yes". |
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| 14:42.17 | djp | resiak, thanks. i gather they are movie files? |
| 14:42.28 | resiak | djp: I believe they're Ogg Theora. Try one! |
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| 14:42.45 | djp | resiak, will do :) |
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| 14:42.57 | beardy | djp: "default", "desktop install of debian" ? |
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| 14:43.38 | resiak | beardy: If you choose the "desktop" task |
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| 14:44.16 | beardy | resiak: Ah. |
| 14:44.26 | jason | hi...is there a website available for help with hooking up a printer in sarge? |
| 14:44.32 | hueh | (re-asking) I know awstats is (considered) very unsecure - but how do ppl here find-out about other "known unsecure" services, e.g. webmin - that we were running until recently? |
| 14:44.37 | fireba11 | resiak: wrong .. ogm is a container |
| 14:44.40 | tarzeau | jason: usb? parallelport? network? |
| 14:45.01 | resiak | fireba11: I know. But .ogm usually indicates that the file is an Ogg which contains a movie encoded with Theora |
| 14:45.09 | jason | i would like to print on another computer's printer...this other perosn has win32. |
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| 14:45.18 | resiak | fireba11: So, for a simplification, .ogm -> Theora |
| 14:45.35 | fireba11 | resiak: usually, yes .. but got also a couple .ogm taht contain XviD video |
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| 14:45.52 | resiak | fireba11: *nods* Okay. |
| 14:46.07 | jason | tarzeau, i would like to print on another computer's printer...this other perosn has win32. |
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| 14:46.21 | beardy | jason: Perhaps samba is what you want then. |
| 14:46.29 | beardy | jason: The client. |
| 14:46.41 | Rio` | jason : u need smbd |
| 14:46.59 | fireba11 | resiak: file extensions longer than 3 character frighten windoze users ;-) |
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| 14:47.14 | jason | samba client will allow me to print on someone else'e printer even if the other pson has win32 and i have sarge? |
| 14:47.23 | tarzeau | jason: ah then, i don't know |
| 14:47.43 | resiak | fireba11: But it's supported them since 1994 |
| 14:48.29 | beardy | jason: What exactly do you mean by win32? |
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| 14:48.57 | fireba11 | resiak: still it's hard to find extensions longer than 3 characters that are not "html" |
| 14:49.12 | vaxen | i just apt-get install phpbb |
| 14:49.22 | vaxen | going to my http://www.domain.com/phpbb doesnt exist |
| 14:49.43 | kspath | fireba11: unix/linux people like to shorthand things so .txt is shorter than .text or .plain-text or whatever |
| 14:49.45 | asg | vaxen: read /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* for any post install info and comments |
| 14:49.45 | SlayerXP | vaxen: here's a radical idea: did you check the docs? |
| 14:49.59 | vaxen | sorry, very new to debian |
| 14:50.12 | SerajewelKS | what are the pros/cons of rtorrent vs bittornado |
| 14:50.28 | resiak | fireba11: It's dumb! |
| 14:50.35 | kspath | fireba11: I hate/hated .htm so I like to use .html but I got so used to .txt that adding the e a vowel just does not feel worth it. |
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| 14:51.43 | orjan | Using I nxserver I get logged on but get no windowmanger. How do I config for a windowmanager, say blackbox? |
| 14:51.45 | kspath | My_information_file_which_is_in_plain_text_format_01_01_2001 is somewhat long |
| 14:51.50 | beardy | well, .htm is incomplete, .txt gets the message trough, and has always done. |
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| 14:52.52 | kspath | fireba11: you would have thought that some standards group would have really and truley dealt with this and had unix/bsd/linux people behind them |
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| 14:53.44 | ukh | OK, this is probably the wrong place - but perhaps someone can point me in the right direction. I have doubts regarding a known openssh exploit and I cannot find any information that it has been fixed in woody. |
| 14:53.53 | kspath | My_information_file_which_is_in_plain_text_format_fire_created_01_01_2001_last_edited_01_23_2006 is somewhat longer yet there is no standard to follow |
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| 14:56.25 | erchache | how do i can know free space on a tape dat scsi...is /dev/nst0? |
| 14:56.34 | kspath | each file should be self contained and desribe itself and everyone should know how to identify its type/format without too much effort but sadly |
| 14:56.50 | tarzeau | kspath: isn't that so? |
| 14:57.04 | tarzeau | kspath: i can do file * on most files and get an idea what i can use it with/for |
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| 14:57.17 | erchache | with tar tvf i can see all content of /dev/nst0 but i want to know free space |
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| 14:59.04 | kspath | tarzeau: that is FAR from perfect/good and date/time are not truely preserved there are a host of other issues. I did not like Apple solution too much but there are worse solutions |
| 14:59.05 | Ryushin | Okay, that's new to me. It seems that kernel development is doing sub releases of the kernel since 2.6.14. I went to get 2.6.15, and there is 2.6.15.1 available and that is the Latest. News to me. |
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| 14:59.59 | tarzeau | kspath: huh? |
| 15:00.18 | kspath | tarzeau: nm I will just confuse you and anyone else |
| 15:00.24 | kspath | plus I am offtopic |
| 15:00.29 | beardy | !confuse kspath |
| 15:00.29 | dpkg | No, those is your badger tomorrow, kspath? wellies of the republic of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 15:01.30 | tarzeau | Ryushin: it started before 2.6.14 |
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| 15:02.21 | Ryushin | tarzeau: Really. I guess I just didn't know. Here I was downloading the main one thinking it was the latest. Guess not. :) |
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| 15:02.39 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 15:02.52 | slug | just running rm17 wow! damn it! just can say "SEHR GUT!!" |
| 15:02.56 | slug | :) |
| 15:02.56 | elephantMan | How can i sync a windowsmobile 5 smartphone in linux ? |
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| 15:03.06 | elephantMan | Is there a soft to do this ? |
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| 15:03.13 | azeem | elephantMan: maybe with synce |
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| 15:03.55 | harm1988 | Please enter the IP adress of the ISPConfig web (eg 192.168.0.1):* |
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| 15:04.01 | harm1988 | * = what should i enter here? |
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| 15:04.28 | asg | !tell Skarmeth about away |
| 15:05.23 | reedbeat | hi! is it possible to creste multiple ssl certs with dpkg-reconfigure libapache-mod-ssl ? |
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| 15:05.45 | vaxen | elephantMan: WM5 doenst sync yet |
| 15:05.50 | reedbeat | error: Do you really want to overwrite the existing certificate ? [y/N]: |
| 15:05.59 | vaxen | elephantMan: i also wanted to get a WM5 phone |
| 15:06.51 | erchache | how i can know free space on a tape? |
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| 15:07.04 | erchache | mt -f /dev/nst0 status...dont do that |
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| 15:07.57 | pjz | is there a way to tell a package that I'm building that it's okay that its contents overwrite some stuff? |
| 15:08.08 | pjz | or do I have to hack overwrites into the postinst? |
| 15:09.12 | pjz | basically: I'm building a package with a bunch of config files in it to make it easier to maintain this cluster... but the config files I'm overwriting are, of course, listed in the packages they correspond to. |
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| 15:10.44 | stew | pjz: are the files defined as conffiles in the package? |
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| 15:11.02 | dado_ | isthe php4 package in sarge compiled with mysql support by default? |
| 15:11.08 | pjz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.10 | dado_ | is the* |
| 15:11.32 | SerajewelKS | dado_: the mysql module is available as a separate package |
| 15:11.35 | fatal__ | dado_: the mysql module for php4 is available in the php4-mysql package. |
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| 15:11.48 | harm1988 | Please enter the IP adress of the ISPConfig web (eg 192.168.0.1): what should i enter? |
| 15:12.04 | fireba11 | harm1988: wtf ? |
| 15:12.11 | harm1988 | ? |
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| 15:12.16 | pjz | stew: to an extent I just want to be able to slam them into place and ignore warnings from the package system |
| 15:12.25 | harm1988 | fireba11 can u tell me or not? |
| 15:12.27 | stew | pjz: that should cause you to be prompted to override the old conffiles, if you don't want to be prompted you can look at the (dangerous!) options in dpkg --force-help |
| 15:12.28 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: we can't read your mind. what are you setting up? |
| 15:12.39 | harm1988 | ispconfig.. its a panel |
| 15:12.45 | fken | hello I have a hardware issue and i need skilled people's help |
| 15:12.49 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: panel for what? |
| 15:12.50 | harm1988 | http://www.ispconfig.org/manual_installation.htm |
| 15:12.54 | harm1988 | is the install guide |
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| 15:13.04 | fatal__ | dado_: also, don't forget to dl("mysql.so"); in your php code before using the mysql functions or add it as an always loaded extension in php.ini. |
| 15:13.06 | harm1988 | but i dont get what they mean with enter the IPadess |
| 15:13.17 | pjz | stew: can't handle a prompt, the goal of this is to be able to keep 100+ machines up to date, so I want 'touch-free' install |
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| 15:13.23 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: ispconfig is not packaged by debian |
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| 15:13.32 | fken | first : did someone already check linux on SATA 2 hard drive ? |
| 15:13.44 | pjz | stew: okay, so I hack it into postinst. can do. thanks for the help! |
| 15:13.49 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: thus it is not supported in this channel |
| 15:13.54 | harm1988 | thats treu.. but can u guys still help out i mean i just need to understand what they are asking for |
| 15:13.54 | tarzeau | fken: probably someone did |
| 15:14.00 | tarzeau | !treu |
| 15:14.00 | stew | pjz: no, why hack into postinst?! |
| 15:14.13 | fken | i have got some trouble with a disk |
| 15:14.16 | asg | tarzeau: treu dat! |
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| 15:14.17 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: it's pretty obvious what it's asking for |
| 15:14.30 | pjz | stew: I mean I'll just have the postinst manually copy files |
| 15:14.31 | tarzeau | fken: who made the disk? |
| 15:14.41 | stew | pjz: instead of using --force-confnew? |
| 15:14.42 | pjz | stew: which avoids the package system getting in the way |
| 15:14.42 | tarzeau | asg: heuston we have a preublem |
| 15:14.45 | fken | MAXTOR |
| 15:15.09 | asg | tarzeau: one of many, one of many |
| 15:15.10 | pjz | stew: yes; I want changes to be picked up with a simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade by everyone in the cluster |
| 15:15.19 | tarzeau | fken: yeah our MAXTOR disks also fail short before the warranty time expires |
| 15:15.24 | pjz | stew: having to answer 100+ prompts is a bad idea |
| 15:15.31 | asg | pjz: then use clusterssh |
| 15:15.32 | pjz | stew: as is having to give nonstandard flags |
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| 15:15.45 | stew | or dsh |
| 15:16.07 | pjz | what part of 'I want it fully automated' aren't you guys hearing? |
| 15:16.23 | fken | I previously had a IDE PATA UDMA133 hard drive where i installed windows : linux debian pure 64 was on a SATA1. But on day the IDE fails and i bought a SATA2 hard disk to install windows again |
| 15:16.31 | pjz | I know how to do it manually, using, yes, dsh |
| 15:16.34 | asg | pjz: then install cron-apt |
| 15:16.44 | tarzeau | pjz: use ssh keys? |
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| 15:17.15 | Laudom | k |
| 15:17.19 | harm1988 | serjewlks what is it asking for? |
| 15:17.33 | harm1988 | my network ipadress? or my network? or my gateway? |
| 15:17.35 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: by the looks of it, the IP address of the ISPConfig daemon |
| 15:17.56 | harm1988 | which would be my IP adress on the network right? |
| 15:17.57 | pjz | asg: exactly... but cron-apt can't very well answer a bunch of prompts for me, can it? |
| 15:18.03 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: mind you i have no idea how ISPConfig works |
| 15:18.03 | fken | I unplugged linux disk and install windows : but my windows disk (DELL OEM windows xp pro SP2 / my computer is not a DELL today) failed. I installed another release of windows xp pro and everything works |
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| 15:18.06 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: it might |
| 15:18.24 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: the point is that we don't care about ISPConfig. if you need help, ask them. |
| 15:18.25 | harm1988 | :S ok thank u |
| 15:18.34 | harm1988 | thats very nice of you |
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| 15:18.51 | fken | but I cannot update grub (there is no way to make it see windows disk and i must use my CMOS to change the boot disk) |
| 15:18.57 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: it's not about being nice or being rude. i don't know ISPConfig, and i have no interest in learning it. simple as that. |
| 15:19.31 | SerajewelKS | harm1988: it's way off-topic here. this is a support channel for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. not some random piece of software you found online. |
| 15:19.32 | asg | pjz: well, since cron-apt allows you to provide a custom apt-get commandline, you should be able to configure it to ignore prompts. |
| 15:19.37 | ronin | harm1988: and seeing as its not in debian your best bet would be to contact them |
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| 15:19.43 | harm1988 | ok thanks |
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| 15:20.01 | fken | and, the biggest issue : sometimes a vfat partition is unwritable and some strange files of 990 Gb are created replacing my files |
| 15:20.26 | helix | does anyone know if it's possible to do reverse threading in evolution? |
| 15:20.27 | SerajewelKS | fken: are you hibernating windows or linux? |
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| 15:20.35 | djp | is totem the best choice for playing streaming radio? .m3u files (used by icecast) open under totem by default. is totem better for playing back streaming radio than say, rhythmbox or xmms (both installed by default under sarge incidently)? |
| 15:20.45 | stew | helix: what does that mean? |
| 15:21.03 | SerajewelKS | djp: wget -O - stream | mpg123 - |
| 15:21.08 | asg | stew: like 'O' 't' in mutt |
| 15:21.08 | fken | SerajewelKS : I use linux the most of the time but i need to work on windows too |
| 15:21.16 | SerajewelKS | fken: that does not answer my question |
| 15:21.26 | blur | anyone knows how i could kill a process that is D+ in my ps? |
| 15:21.31 | helix | stew: umm.. well, you know how normal threading looks? picture it reversed, ie oldest message at the bottom of the thread |
| 15:21.34 | helix | instead of at the top |
| 15:21.40 | stew | unfortunately its been years since i've used mutt |
| 15:21.41 | helix | argh regular threading makes me want to cry |
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| 15:21.45 | fken | SerajewelKS: then i think i didnt understood what you mean sorry: can you rephrase it differently ? |
| 15:21.46 | asg | blur: it isn't possible until it comes out of its IO wait state |
| 15:22.02 | asg | helix: that's why I use mutt :) |
| 15:22.03 | SerajewelKS | fken: no, i can't. you do know what hibernation is, right? |
| 15:22.09 | djp | SerajewelKS, wget appears popular, with many uses! thanks for that. |
| 15:22.09 | blur | ok asg |
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| 15:22.14 | stew | helix: in threaded mode you can sort by date in any order by clicking on the date column, ctrl-t to toggle threading |
| 15:22.15 | helix | asg: I use mutt at home, but the setup time wasn't worth it for work |
| 15:22.24 | SerajewelKS | djp: glad to help =) |
| 15:22.29 | asg | helix: ah, okay |
| 15:22.31 | fken | SerajewelKS: what bear did during the winter ? |
| 15:22.40 | stew | helix: nm that, i'm wrong |
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| 15:22.56 | stew | helix: it just sorts the threads in whichever order but the messages in the thread are still cronological |
| 15:22.59 | SerajewelKS | fken: well if you don't know what it is then you're probably not doing it, which means that's not the problem |
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| 15:23.19 | SerajewelKS | fken: (hibernating windows and booting linux can cause problems if both have the same partition mounted) |
| 15:23.48 | helix | stew: ugh |
| 15:23.50 | helix | what a shitty MUA |
| 15:24.11 | asg | blur: if the process is a child, killing its parent will often take care of things, unless its badly written and then you end up with a zombie |
| 15:24.12 | ronin | helix: personal choice, i perfer it that way actually |
| 15:24.24 | helix | ronin: you prefer to not have the option to reverse thread? |
| 15:24.39 | helix | I don't care whether that's the default, what bothers me is that I can't change it |
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| 15:24.50 | stew | helix: patch it! :) |
| 15:25.09 | fken | SerajewelKS: the last time i had that kind of trouble it was because of a I/O error a drive made... but i am afraid my linux disk is broken : it has not been easy to install it |
| 15:25.32 | helix | stew: I would never contribute code to a crappy MUA when there's one that does what I want already |
| 15:25.55 | helix | even eudora could do this |
| 15:25.59 | fken | SerajewelKS: and now i am about to call my vendor to change the disk |
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| 15:26.07 | fken | (but which one ?) |
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| 15:26.30 | azeem | helix: RedHat are looking for an evolution hacker! |
| 15:26.40 | asg | hehe |
| 15:26.53 | asg | I'd settle for Intelligent Design at this point |
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| 15:27.56 | cupid | hello,everyone? |
| 15:28.00 | helix | hi? |
| 15:28.09 | harm1988 | yo |
| 15:28.12 | cupid | Here i am |
| 15:28.17 | helix | umm k |
| 15:28.24 | ronin | good for you cupid |
| 15:28.32 | cupid | can you help me with remove mozilla-browser? |
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| 15:29.05 | cupid | i cannot apt-get remove mozilla-browser, |
| 15:29.23 | cupid | because it also ask me to remove gnome-core? |
| 15:29.28 | azeem | cupid: yes |
| 15:29.33 | azeem | cupid: gnome-core is a meta-package |
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| 15:29.46 | azeem | it will remove epiphany-browser along with it as well, though, I guess |
| 15:29.56 | abrotman | too bad(afaik) there isn't a way to make apt ignore the removal of metapackages |
| 15:29.59 | cupid | debian:~# apt-get remove mozilla-browser |
| 15:30.00 | cupid | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 15:30.00 | cupid | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 15:30.00 | cupid | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:30.00 | cupid | gnome-core mozilla-browser yelp |
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| 15:30.27 | fken | so ill go take care |
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| 15:30.49 | azeem | abrotman: well, but how would apt figure out that this missing depends is something you don't want, rather than something which just got added to the meta-package |
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| 15:30.52 | azeem | ? |
| 15:30.57 | azeem | abrotman: sounds like aptitude should do this |
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| 15:31.14 | cupid | aptitude? ok. let me try. |
| 15:31.15 | azeem | cupid: why do you want to remove mozilla-browser? |
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| 15:31.33 | azeem | cupid: do you use GNOME? |
| 15:31.36 | cupid | it is so big |
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| 15:31.48 | cupid | yeah,GNOME |
| 15:31.50 | abrotman | azeem: in the package description .. there's no field for meta-package? |
| 15:32.08 | cupid | And i like firefox, not mozilla-browser |
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| 15:32.24 | azeem | cupid: well, it will remove yelp along with it, the GNOME help system |
| 15:32.39 | azeem | cupid: if you don't need it, just remove everything, you don't need gnome-core to have GNOME |
| 15:32.44 | dasunt | I need suggestions/opinions on command line DVD-R burning? |
| 15:32.50 | dasunt | dvdrtools? |
| 15:33.07 | dasunt | dvd+rw-tools? |
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| 15:33.20 | ilba7r | cupid most probably if you have plugins for firefox they are installed in mozilla |
| 15:33.24 | dasunt | Or just patching debian's cdrecord? |
| 15:33.28 | cupid | aptitude remove mozilla-browser also ask me to remove gnome-core? |
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| 15:33.36 | azeem | cupid: yes, it does |
| 15:33.48 | azeem | cupid: I was saying aptitude /should/ handle it |
| 15:33.57 | azeem | not that it did |
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| 15:34.09 | cupid | sorry, i donot know whether plugin installed in mozilla |
| 15:34.15 | azeem | ? |
| 15:34.59 | helix | stew: I checked in #evolution, seems it's impossible |
| 15:35.00 | cupid | should? oh |
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| 15:35.08 | helix | they suggested I file a bug... which means gnome's bugzilla |
| 15:35.14 | azeem | teh love |
| 15:35.18 | azeem | they made a new one |
| 15:35.21 | azeem | looks great |
| 15:35.32 | helix | azeem: are you insane? |
| 15:35.41 | cupid | do you mean i can remove safely gnome-core yelp and mozilla-browser? |
| 15:35.42 | azeem | helix: did you see GNATS? |
| 15:35.45 | helix | now I have to go through some nonsense registration process, likely to have my bug ignored or closed immediately |
| 15:35.54 | azeem | cupid: if you do not want help, you can |
| 15:35.59 | azeem | help == GNOME help |
| 15:35.59 | Alexandar_ | lo ,i was told to compile a new kernel as/with fakeroot , and it complained at the end because fakeroot didnt have permission or something |
| 15:36.02 | helix | perhaps I'm being melodramatic, but I think I'd prefer to throw myself off the golden gate bridge |
| 15:36.02 | _LeLik_ | would youê like russian? |
| 15:36.19 | ronin | helix: just a tad melodramatic :) |
| 15:36.30 | Alexandar_ | will it have saved my config & can i just do it using su? |
| 15:36.33 | cupid | i of course need help. thx. |
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| 15:36.39 | helix | ronin: maybe. I do despise bugzilla |
| 15:38.54 | cupidsd | thx for your help. i will try. |
| 15:39.03 | _LeLik_ | ðóññêèå åñòü òóò? |
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| 15:39.23 | SerajewelKS | i just installed monodevelop on etch. i think i'm hooked on .NET now. someone shoot me. |
| 15:39.35 | ronin | _LeLik_: english would help if you want to be understood here |
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| 15:40.05 | cupidsd | Do you mean, i can remove gnome-core without severe damage to my system, right? |
| 15:40.24 | azeem | yes |
| 15:40.44 | SerajewelKS | this is a highly philosophical question, but can i develop Gtk# stuff in .NET and not feel guilty about using an M$ technology? |
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| 15:41.22 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 15:41.40 | cupidsd | thx. i'm now removing mozilla-browser. |
| 15:41.46 | SerajewelKS | because if it's decent enough i just might start using this in leiu of java... |
| 15:42.00 | SerajewelKS | s/leiu/lieu/ |
| 15:42.12 | cupidsd | ok. done. |
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| 15:45.01 | whepin | hello |
| 15:45.12 | Garp | Question: I get quite a lot of ssh brute force attacks. Boring, filing my logs and eating up bw. Is there a way to blacklist an IP after a few unssucessful loging attemps? I looked in shorewall doc and in sshd_config doc, but couldnt see anything useful. Any help? Thanks. |
| 15:46.19 | cisse | Garp: sshdfilter |
| 15:46.37 | Garp | cisse: thanks, I have a look. |
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| 15:46.58 | znx | you can do it with iptables |
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| 15:47.52 | fireba11 | Garp: i don't knwo your setup but you might considdering limiting ssh to a couple IPs in the first place if you get attacks like that regularly |
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| 15:48.03 | fireba11 | -ing |
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| 15:48.18 | znx | Garp: http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1829 here |
| 15:48.57 | znx | basically.. number of hits.. and you are blacklisted |
| 15:49.00 | Garp | fireba11: I thought about this, but that imply that I'm able to make a small list of IP range, and I'm not. |
| 15:49.12 | Garp | znx: Tks, I have a look there too. |
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| 15:51.31 | borstel | sorry can anybody tell me where to find the header files for the kernel used in my debian ? |
| 15:51.54 | fireba11 | Garp: you mean you are not able to set a list of IPs or you can't narrow down possible IPs to a number that would make sense ? |
| 15:52.04 | Garp | znx: the method described by your link looks intersting. I'm surprised that shorewall seems not to know about it. |
| 15:52.14 | fireba11 | borstel: apt-get install kernel-headers |
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| 15:52.20 | [sr] | people |
| 15:52.25 | [sr] | i have a little problem |
| 15:52.53 | znx | Garp: i believe that the module is relatively new to iptables |
| 15:52.56 | Garp | fireba11: yes. Most of the time I connect from a few locations; But in case of needs outside of them I wouldnt like to be left outside... |
| 15:53.01 | rend | i am trying to compile something that needs libcommoncpp2 1.3 or higher.. sarge only has 1.0.. i checked backports and cant find a newer version.. what should i do? |
| 15:53.01 | Alexandar_ | ... "people" arent psycic |
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| 15:53.08 | [sr] | i have the "samba" package with this flags: |
| 15:53.09 | [sr] | pHR samba 3.0.20b-2 a LanManager-like file and printer server fo |
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| 15:53.32 | [sr] | he doesn't let me remove it or something, not even update |
| 15:53.51 | Garp | fireba11: on the other hand I couls still rely on one of the location I can connect to to connect to my machine to fix this ;)... Maybe a solution anyway. |
| 15:54.27 | [sr] | and im not beeing able to update other packages |
| 15:54.33 | [sr] | im having a segmentation fault |
| 15:54.55 | asg | [sr]: try 'apt-get install --reinstall <pkg>' or 'apt-get -f install' |
| 15:55.04 | Garp | # apt-cache search sshdfilter |
| 15:55.09 | Garp | returns nothing... |
| 15:55.12 | [sr] | -f install isn't working asg |
| 15:55.21 | asg | [sr]: then try the first one I listed |
| 15:55.25 | Alexandar_ | are you su'd as root? |
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| 15:55.50 | [sr] | who me Alexandar_ ? |
| 15:56.31 | Alexandar_ | yeah, seems like a silly question but you might have forgotten or something ^-^ |
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| 15:56.58 | [sr] | sure im root |
| 15:57.18 | Alexandar_ | ok |
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| 15:57.33 | [sr] | all apt-get system is **edup |
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| 15:57.48 | znx | Garp: you can also use hosts.deny to block ips.. |
| 15:57.53 | znx | ssh complys with it |
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| 15:58.18 | Garp | znx: yes, but that's not dynamic. |
| 15:58.44 | [sr] | Removing module-init-tools ... |
| 15:58.44 | [sr] | /var/lib/dpkg/info/module-init-tools.postrm: line 7: 19116 Segmentation fault dpkg-divert --remove --rename --package module-init-tools --divert $2/$1.$DEXT $2/$1 >/dev/null |
| 15:58.44 | [sr] | dpkg: error processing module-init-tools (--remove): |
| 15:58.45 | [sr] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.45 | [sr] | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 15:58.49 | znx | yeah but you can just echo ".." >>/etc/hosts.deny ;P |
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| 15:58.54 | [sr] | ops |
| 15:58.56 | Garp | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.00 | [sr] | about this any idea? |
| 15:59.30 | Garp | znx: I just learned I could also use shorewall directly using the dynamic blacklisting system... But that doesnt help when I'm asleep ;) |
| 15:59.41 | znx | :) |
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| 16:00.48 | rend | i am trying to compile something that needs libcommoncpp2 1.3 or higher.. sarge only has 1.0.. i checked backports and cant find a newer version.. what should i do? |
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| 16:01.18 | Garp | BTW, no freenet package for debian ? |
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| 16:02.06 | [sr] | should i try stable or other stage than sid? |
| 16:02.25 | asg | [sr]: that's what we recommend |
| 16:02.35 | [sr] | sorry didn't saw |
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| 16:02.42 | [sr] | should i go where, stable? |
| 16:02.59 | asg | [sr]: yes |
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| 16:03.15 | [sr] | and then, a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:03.17 | asg | [sr]: or start hacking the postrm for the package in /var/lib/dpkg/info untill you fix it |
| 16:03.24 | lpb-oberon | i got problems mounting any usb-mass-storage-device |
| 16:03.32 | lpb-oberon | the first time i plug one of them in my system i get (error) messages - http://paste.debian.net/3902 |
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| 16:04.00 | lpb-oberon | when i remove the device an plug it in the pc again there won't be any message at all:( |
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| 16:04.20 | Alam_Debian | lsusb |
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| 16:05.39 | lpb-oberon | dies |
| 16:05.56 | lpb-oberon | gives me a frozen xterm:) |
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| 16:07.00 | Eulex | lpb-oberon, well, then the usb part of your kernel has hung. |
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| 16:07.12 | Alam_Debian | usb subsystem went into a race of something, happends to me with a CD-RW and joystick, i had to restart the PC and remember not to plug in the device ever agian! |
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| 16:07.53 | lpb-oberon | mh |
| 16:08.09 | lpb-oberon | well that happens with every usb-stick usb-harddrive ... |
| 16:08.22 | lpb-oberon | i think id like to use them again |
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| 16:09.56 | lpb-oberon | im not sure whom to ask to fix that bug ... any suggestions? |
| 16:09.57 | rend | is there a way to easily compile packages from source so they can be uninstalled with a package manager? |
| 16:10.10 | lpb-oberon | checkinstall |
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| 16:13.15 | mistik1 | morning |
| 16:13.16 | lpb-oberon | rend: or install the packages to /opt /usr/local /usr/opt |
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| 16:13.39 | mistik1 | Is there a clamav package for debian that includes clamd ? |
| 16:13.47 | lpb-oberon | use --prefix=/destination when you run the configure script |
| 16:13.59 | asg | mistik1: clamav-daemon |
| 16:14.00 | mistik1 | The packages I find tend to only have clamscan? |
| 16:14.04 | mistik1 | ahhhh |
| 16:14.07 | Laibsch | !flash |
| 16:14.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 16:14.09 | mistik1 | asg: thanks |
| 16:14.13 | lpb-oberon | michael: apt-cache search whaterver |
| 16:14.17 | lpb-oberon | mistik1: .. |
| 16:15.12 | mistik1 | lpb-oberon: I did the search on clamav and did not see a clamav-daemon this is why I asked , I'll check my repos |
| 16:15.15 | postel | Where did k3b go in sarge? The i18n files are there, so the dev libs but not k3b |
| 16:16.04 | chealer | postel: really? apt-cache policy k3b |
| 16:16.58 | postel | chealer: policy reports it available but from the unstable rep |
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| 16:17.28 | stew | postel: sounds like you are running etch, not sarge |
| 16:17.36 | dado_ | if tcpdump results say that most of the packets are dropped. is that normal? |
| 16:17.40 | chealer | postel: please paste your sources.list somewhere, or paste here the source line which you think should provide k3b |
| 16:17.53 | asg | dado_: no, it isn't |
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| 16:17.57 | stew | postel: and it has been missing from etch for a while now, since the kde 3.3->3.4 transition |
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| 16:18.07 | Laibsch | Is there a standalone flash player that is not a Mozilla plugin? |
| 16:18.14 | postel | stew: It's not my box, im on sid, let me check |
| 16:18.43 | postel | stew: You're right, its on etch |
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| 16:19.00 | stew | postel: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
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| 16:19.08 | dado_ | also the console keeps saying, that packets are dropped by kernel. netstat shows a lot of connections to one NIC in SYN_RECV state. what would you think could be the case? |
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| 16:21.55 | linuxnoob | hello all |
| 16:21.59 | linuxnoob | please help me |
| 16:22.00 | postel | stew: oh, ic, we're waiting for dbus and hal, thanks for that |
| 16:22.11 | FifaFrazer | How can i mount my USB hdd with ntfs filesystem in debian ? |
| 16:22.17 | linuxnoob | i want to mount a ext3 file system automaticly in fstap |
| 16:22.33 | lpb-oberon | Alam_Debian: where should i ask for help? |
| 16:22.34 | linuxnoob | this already workt fine but only root is allowed to write normal user not |
| 16:22.45 | linuxnoob | how can i set up so that normal user can write and read? |
| 16:22.45 | simonrvn | !user |
| 16:22.46 | dpkg | it has been said that user is currently detached. Talk to this user upon their return. You will now be ignored. [HackFactor Elite 2.0], or a synonym for moron |
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| 16:23.07 | simonrvn | ... |
| 16:23.19 | simonrvn | linuxnoob: man mount; /user |
| 16:23.23 | asg | !factinfo user |
| 16:23.23 | dpkg | user -- created by Slack3r <~Slack3r@cuscon7237.tstt.net.tt> at Fri Jun 14 13:01:56 2002 (1319 days); last modified at Sun Feb 2 06:14:22 2003 by sourdough!eb@93-pm14.nwc.alaska.net; it has been requested 28 times, last by antgel at Thu Aug 4 04:15:40 2005. |
| 16:24.37 | simonrvn | no, just 24 |
| 16:24.50 | cisse | modafinil ? |
| 16:24.55 | asg | simonrvn: cyrus isn't worth it :) |
| 16:25.01 | stew | !forget user |
| 16:25.01 | dpkg | stew: i forgot user |
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| 16:25.43 | stew | !wikifaq linuxnoob Permissions |
| 16:25.44 | dpkg | linuxnoob: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:25.48 | simonrvn | that's not why, but only part of it. and i'll be the judge of that :P. admittedly, it has issues, but less issues for what i want to do |
| 16:25.52 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 16:25.57 | simonrvn | stew: ^^ |
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| 16:26.22 | lesshaste | where do apic bugs get reported to? lkml or somewhere specific like acpi? |
| 16:26.48 | simonrvn | cisse: i stay away from pharmaceuticals ... if coffee and will power can't keep me awake, then i go to sleep |
| 16:27.01 | asg | linuxnoob: if that doesn't work or has issues, /msg dpkg permissions for greycat's mirror |
| 16:27.05 | stew | simonrvn: i don't know what you are trying to say to me there |
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| 16:27.18 | asg | stew: he meant to say it to me |
| 16:27.23 | stew | ahh |
| 16:27.27 | chealer | lesshaste: ask #kernel |
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| 16:27.37 | stew | tarzeau: what happened to wikifaq? |
| 16:27.39 | lesshaste | chealer, ok.. doing that now :) |
| 16:27.39 | rend | how can i see what process is hanging my soundcard? |
| 16:27.47 | linuxnoob | have this in my fstap /dev/hdb1 /media/data ext3 defaults,umask=000 but does not work :( also the links above dont work |
| 16:27.48 | asg | stew: he's running without sleep so it's understandable |
| 16:27.52 | stew | yup |
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| 16:28.27 | stew | asg: if greycat is mirroring wikifaq can you give linuxnoob a link to Permissions? |
| 16:28.39 | simonrvn | stew: \o/ |
| 16:28.40 | asg | !permissions |
| 16:28.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, permissions is multiple acts of permitting, or http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
| 16:28.44 | asg | linuxnoob: ^^^^ |
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| 16:28.53 | FliesLikeALap | can anyone tell me if these errors are more likely to be caused by a bad processor or RAM, or something else? http://ww2.u13.net/damnit.jpg http://ww2.u13.net/damnit2.jpg |
| 16:29.04 | asg | stew: actually, greycat wrote it so he keeps a local copy |
| 16:29.15 | simonrvn | the big-ass nonsensical thing was to asg, the \o/ was to stew. |
| 16:29.23 | asg | heh |
| 16:29.26 | simonrvn | asg: amazing you understand my gibberish |
| 16:29.27 | stew | #confuse simonrvn |
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| 16:29.42 | asg | simonrvn: I've had lots of practice in #debian over the years :) |
| 16:29.49 | simonrvn | :D |
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| 16:30.08 | stew | i probably would have followed as well but i'm food deprived instead of sleep deprived |
| 16:31.09 | linuxnoob | asg very interesting, but i just need a example of the line for mounting a ext3 filesystem under fstab so all user can read and write on it :) |
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| 16:32.54 | stew | linuxnoob: the line you have shown is correct |
| 16:33.14 | djp | how do you change default apps for certain file types under gnome? |
| 16:33.17 | asg | linuxnoob: make sure the mountpoint is 755 and the directory or directories on the filesystem are rw for a group to which your users belong. |
| 16:33.20 | stew | linuxnoob: the problem is not with the way it is mounted but the permissions inside the mount |
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| 16:35.51 | linuxnoob | stew: asg: thank u , u mean that i have to chmod 777 /path/to/mountpoint first then mount, can i also set the permissions with sudo nautilus under user X ? |
| 16:36.14 | Garp | (bebye) |
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| 16:37.02 | asg | linuxnoob: 755 should be sufficient for the mountpoint. The directories on the mounted filesystem should be 2775 and group owned by a group to which all your users belong. Don't forget to set umasks appropriately for those users also. |
| 16:37.31 | ClayG | any ideas why gnome might not be saving my settings? I installed from the "net install/minimal" and selected x and gnome and it works fine but does not save the changes ive made |
| 16:37.39 | ClayG | like moving the top panel down, crap like that6 |
| 16:37.44 | linuxnoob | asg: i will try :) thank u |
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| 16:38.10 | asg | linuxnoob: the use of sgid directories and umasks is covered in the Permissions faq we gave you earlier. |
| 16:38.11 | ClayG | and yes, I am clicking "save state" or whatever the little check box is when you logoff |
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| 16:38.43 | djp | at the moment any .m3u streams are opened by default by totem. i would like xmms to open by default instead. how do i go about getting gnome to recognise this? |
| 16:39.09 | azeem | djp: right click on it, and select other application.. I think |
| 16:39.15 | azeem | then you can set something as default |
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| 16:39.44 | djp | azeem ,cheers |
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| 16:40.09 | slashseed | can grub support 1200x800 ,any args just like vga = 792 ? |
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| 16:41.38 | Luismi | hola |
| 16:41.42 | Luismi | que tal? |
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| 16:42.16 | Douglish | Luismi: muy bien e tu? |
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| 16:43.04 | stew | slashseed: "hwinfo --framebuffer" will list the supported modes |
| 16:43.33 | slashseed | in grub shell ? |
| 16:43.37 | stew | slashseed: (and btw, its not grub that needs to support them, its the kernel) |
| 16:43.48 | stew | slashseed: no, in a shell |
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| 16:43.49 | slashseed | oops.. |
| 16:43.58 | stew | err in a console, whatever |
| 16:44.23 | stew | slashseed: but here i only see 4:3 modes |
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| 16:44.33 | stew | well besides 1280x1024 |
| 16:45.07 | slashseed | but my lcd can up to 1280 . 800 only |
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| 16:45.44 | slashseed | thanks |
| 16:45.54 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 16:46.29 | elephantMan | I have no sound on my debian box, for example vmware say "/dev/dsp : device or ressource busy" |
| 16:46.33 | stew | slashseed: try it and see if 1280x800 shows up for you |
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| 16:46.43 | asg | elephantMan: use fuser or lsof to find out what's using /dev/dsp |
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| 16:46.47 | slashseed | ok |
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| 16:47.30 | slashseed | let me try later |
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| 16:48.04 | elephantMan | asg, ok i try this |
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| 16:49.11 | hellfire | why does mount /mnt/hd.. change the permissions on the directory /mnt/hd.. (fstab: /dev/hdb3 /mnt/data ext3 rw,auto,users,group,exec 0 0 |
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| 16:49.59 | hellfire | permissions before mount: drwxrwxr-x 11 root mnt 4096 2006-01-23 17:48 data, permissions after mount: drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2006-01-23 17:48 data |
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| 16:51.47 | asg | hellfire: the mountpoint's permissions are different from the '/' permissions of the newly mounted filesystem |
| 16:52.15 | CosmoDad | trying to compile nvidia-kernel-source/unstable on a sarge system, but the compile process fails with "Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported debian." What does this mean? |
| 16:52.16 | hellfire | asg: i'm trying to understand that. |
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| 16:53.09 | asg | hellfire: if you umount the mountpoint, do the permissions revert to 775? |
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| 16:53.21 | hellfire | asg: yes. |
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| 16:53.43 | elephantMan | asg, ok thanx |
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| 16:53.45 | asg | hellfire: then the mounted filesystem's permissions are not the same as the mountpoint |
| 16:53.58 | elephantMan | What is the best "universal" filesystem ? |
| 16:54.08 | cisse | prob xfs |
| 16:54.12 | asg | elephantMan: it depends on what you mean by "universal" |
| 16:54.19 | cisse | yeah exactly... |
| 16:54.25 | kspath | elephantMan: paper file folders |
| 16:54.40 | asg | kspath: nah, you can't 'grep' paper files |
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| 16:54.50 | hellfire | asg: do you know how can the mounted filesystems permissions be different from the mountpoints permissions? |
| 16:55.13 | azeem | hellfire: the mountpoint directory is replaced by the mounted file system |
| 16:55.14 | kspath | asg: If I have some file clerk weenies I can. |
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| 16:55.20 | asg | hellfire: the mounted filesystem was created with 755, not 775 |
| 16:55.29 | dutch | So is deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main = down right now? Or is this just a bad source? |
| 16:55.32 | elephantMan | kspath, :) |
| 16:55.41 | hellfire | azeem: AAAAH. Thats the solution! |
| 16:55.44 | stew | dutch: replace unstable with sid |
| 16:55.51 | hellfire | azeem, asg: thanks a lot! |
| 16:55.56 | elephantMan | asg, i mean accessible by every system without compatibility problems |
| 16:55.56 | asg | hellfire: you're welcome |
| 16:55.56 | dutch | stew: Thanks man I'm an idiot. |
| 16:56.08 | azeem | elephantMan: fat |
| 16:56.10 | asg | elephantMan: then FAT |
| 16:57.04 | kspath | FAT16 FAT32? specific? |
| 16:57.14 | elephantMan | asg, ah ok |
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| 16:57.24 | elephantMan | Is FAT writable under linux ? |
| 16:57.30 | stew | elephantMan: yes |
| 16:57.45 | azeem | elephantMan: it's also pretty featureless and not very suited for Unix systems |
| 16:57.56 | elephantMan | azeem, ok |
| 16:58.11 | elephantMan | So there is no perfect filesystem |
| 16:58.31 | kspath | elephatMan: again define perfect |
| 16:58.31 | asg | elephantMan: no |
| 16:58.42 | ronin | elephantMan: of course not, some are better then others and some are better for certain situations |
| 16:58.43 | elephantMan | I have to trade features for compatibility |
| 16:58.52 | elephantMan | ok thanx everyone |
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| 16:59.14 | chealer | elephantMan: not yet. gentooreiserfs should be perfect when it's released |
| 16:59.23 | kspath | elephatMan: there is not FS that is fast/dependable and supported everywhere on every platform with both free and non-free |
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| 16:59.53 | elephantMan | kspath, ok i understand |
| 17:00.04 | simonrvn | though you'll have to keep recompiling the filesystem driver once a week |
| 17:00.11 | dutch | With deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main, I'm getting a killer list of dependencies that "can't be installed" Is this because I don't have where they need to be installed from in my sources.list? |
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| 17:00.20 | dutch | That's when trying to get mplayer. |
| 17:00.29 | simonrvn | chealer: ^^ |
| 17:00.31 | dutch | apt-get install mplayer, rather |
| 17:00.36 | kspath | !gentoosmite production-uptime |
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| 17:01.00 | chealer | simonrvn: what else do you do with your computer? you use it? |
| 17:01.14 | simonrvn | kspath: call me when you see that in the wild ;) |
| 17:01.21 | stew | dutch: related to libjack v. 0.80 or something similar? |
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| 17:01.42 | dutch | A ton of libs |
| 17:01.45 | dutch | None of them libjack, though. |
| 17:01.52 | dutch | oh wait. |
| 17:01.53 | dutch | Yes. |
| 17:02.00 | simonrvn | chealer: dude, apt-get install sense-of-humour ;), i was talking about gentooreiserfs |
| 17:02.27 | stew | dutch: yeah those need to be recompiled against libjack 0.100 |
| 17:02.46 | matlads | i use sid and have kernel 2.6.15 and my cdrom drive is no longer detected when I use udev? any one here has a solution for me? |
| 17:02.53 | simonrvn | damn you libjack 0.100 !!! |
| 17:02.56 | chealer | simonrvn: Package sense-of-humor already installed. (Me too :) ) |
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| 17:02.57 | dutch | stew: How would I go about doing that or find a primer on it? |
| 17:03.01 | simonrvn | :P |
| 17:03.01 | dutch | Shit, so this is serious? |
| 17:03.10 | simonrvn | chealer: oh ok :D |
| 17:03.15 | stew | dutch: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:03.29 | GaiaX11 | Is it possible to run Novell in Debian or only in RHat and Suse? |
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| 17:03.55 | asg | GaiaX11: it'll run if the dependancies are met. What those are, however, I don't know. |
| 17:04.10 | simonrvn | dutch: it's always serious. why do you think we have such twisted senses of humour ? ;P |
| 17:04.56 | GaiaX11 | What about apt-get? Does it not solve the dependancies? |
| 17:05.03 | simonrvn | taking an axe^Walien to the rpm i suppose you could do some digging with ldd and friends |
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| 17:05.26 | asg | GaiaX11: of course it does. Dependancy problems occur when you mix flavors and/or run sid |
| 17:05.39 | asg | GaiaX11: you don't get problems running stable. |
| 17:05.42 | simonrvn | or install strange things ;) |
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| 17:05.52 | asg | strange things belong in /usr/local or /opt |
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| 17:06.13 | m1ke_l | having issue with alsa still |
| 17:06.15 | m1ke_l | ALSA lib simple_none.c:1216:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Front Playback Volume',0,0,0) appears twice or more |
| 17:06.17 | m1ke_l | alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 17:06.33 | simonrvn | like NMU versioned homebrew upstream versions of cyrus plus a bunch of patches ;) |
| 17:06.34 | m1ke_l | thts what i get when i alsamixer |
| 17:06.55 | asg | simonrvn: hah |
| 17:07.08 | tarzeau | stew: power failure, it's back again |
| 17:07.27 | simonrvn | asg: hehehe |
| 17:07.33 | raf256 | tarzeau: imaging the |
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| 17:07.48 | tarzeau | stew: and should stay so now. matter of human learning (electric iron) |
| 17:07.57 | tarzeau | raf256: pardon? |
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| 17:08.20 | raf256 | nm |
| 17:08.24 | simonrvn | *shtonk* |
| 17:08.45 | asg | simonrvn: a drunken *plonk*? |
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| 17:09.10 | simonrvn | nah, just the electric iron hitting someone square in the face |
| 17:09.32 | asg | simonrvn: ah, quite |
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| 17:10.22 | dutch | So I should replace the STABLE in deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main with sid... what if I want to run all stable, though? |
| 17:10.50 | ming_ | I have 10 mysqld process running, each used 69196k ram, total do they use 691Mb ram? I only have 512M ram, |
| 17:10.53 | simonrvn | asg: btw, i just build a few package locally; netatalk, cyrus-imap, and openldap. for various reasons |
| 17:11.16 | asg | simonrvn: yeah, I build my own cadaver to enable ssl |
| 17:11.18 | dutch | ming_: Swap, maybe? Not sure. |
| 17:11.27 | simonrvn | ming_: shared mem. they're probably threads |
| 17:11.28 | asg | ming_: they are sharing it |
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| 17:11.38 | ming_ | i c, that's why |
| 17:11.53 | simonrvn | asg: oh yeh, stuff like that to do that, too. same here (cadaver, and litmus) |
| 17:12.31 | ledet | dutch: if you want stable, use stable... mixing is mostly a mess... and with stable you get to use well-tested software packages... which are probably old... if you want new stuff, then stable is not your thing |
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| 17:13.34 | dutch | Well after going all stable again, ledet, saying that deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main can't find packages.gz, tells me to run apt-get to correct the problem, but apt-get update is what gave me the error in the first place. |
| 17:14.19 | stew | dutch: replace stable with sarge |
| 17:14.34 | dutch | stew: You are a god amongst gnubies |
| 17:14.55 | dutch | ps, has anybody ever made a package\app named Gnubie? Gnuwbie? |
| 17:15.02 | dutch | If not, write that down. |
| 17:15.37 | orjan | I'm looking at freenx in the link in the factoid. I can find only servers what's the name of the linux client? |
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| 17:16.35 | stram | how do i get debian sendmail to use SMTP AUTH? |
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| 17:17.28 | asg | stram: #sendmail would know |
| 17:18.08 | asg | stram: also, did you install sendmail specifically since if you didn't, you are using exim that provides a sendmail compliant wrapper |
| 17:18.18 | stram | i am using sendmail |
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| 17:18.33 | stram | cd /j sendmai |
| 17:18.35 | stram | ops |
| 17:18.43 | asg | stram: I'd also suggest that you invest in the Bat Book if you are serious about sendmail |
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| 17:19.31 | Alexandar | whats pcehp (or something similar) and /toshiba/acpi/keys? |
| 17:19.56 | Alexandar | or acpi/toshiba/keys or something =/ |
| 17:20.11 | djp | is there a way under gnome to delete a file without sending it to the trash can? |
| 17:20.14 | djp | basically delete it permanently in one go? |
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| 17:20.31 | dutch | Press a taser up against your HDD |
| 17:20.51 | Alexandar | rm /path/file? |
| 17:20.52 | asg | djp: for gnome questions, you are probably better off on irc.gnome.org. While some here run gnome, a lot of #debian users don't or don't advertise it if they do. |
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| 17:21.17 | Alexandar | <3 xfce4 |
| 17:21.20 | djp | asg, ok thanks |
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| 17:21.33 | dutch | KDE <3s Dutch |
| 17:21.57 | asg | djp: you are, of course, welcome to continue asking here though |
| 17:22.22 | Trewas | djp: change value of apps/nautilus/preferences/enable_delete with gconf-editor or something, at least I did not find that setting in control-center etc |
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| 17:22.41 | Trewas | after that there will be "delete" option in addition to move to trash in nautilus |
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| 17:23.00 | Trewas | sometimes I wonder why I use gnome ;) |
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| 17:24.04 | WizeGuy | hi! I've just installed debian, and when searching for a kernel-image, there is nothing above 2.6.8. Is it possible to get something newer? If yes, how? |
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| 17:24.15 | simonrvn | bah, 451 with the isp's mta ... good thing i run my own, and can do so |
| 17:24.25 | dwdrums_unix | hi i got a question: whats better in linux red hat or debian? |
| 17:24.43 | asg | WizeGuy: that's the newest with sarge. Unless you have a compelling reason to need a newer one, use it. If you have a compelling reason, compile your own from source. |
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| 17:24.55 | asg | dwdrums_unix: debian, obviously |
| 17:25.07 | simonrvn | debian > * |
| 17:25.14 | dwdrums_unix | lol.. oh.. course! but wheres the difference? |
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| 17:26.09 | simonrvn | dwdrums_unix: i would also point you at the channel name |
| 17:26.09 | Alexandar | simonrvn, that freeroot borked =x |
| 17:26.09 | dutch | Debian > redhat and life supply of free cigs |
| 17:26.10 | Alexandar | fakeroot* |
| 17:26.10 | WizeGuy | asg: There seems to be a problem that 2.6.8 has with sata_nv, so it doesn't detect my disk. Seems like it's fixed in versions above. |
| 17:26.10 | asg | dwdrums_unix: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 17:26.10 | dutch | dwdrums_unix: I prefer it because of APT |
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| 17:26.17 | dwdrums_unix | oh.. okay thats an argument! |
| 17:26.17 | asg | WizeGuy: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 17:26.20 | Alexandar | dutch, ARE YOU CRAZY! |
| 17:26.25 | simonrvn | i prefer it because it doesn't try to play games with your head |
| 17:26.45 | asg | WizeGuy: that's an unofficial kernel though so ymmv. |
| 17:26.50 | Alexandar | i'd learn to cope with RH for a life supply of free cigs >.> |
| 17:26.50 | dwdrums_unix | does apt in red hat not exist? |
| 17:27.00 | simonrvn | WYSIWYG distro ;) |
| 17:27.13 | cisse | dwdrums_unix: apt's been ported to redhat |
| 17:27.26 | Eulex | dwdrums_unix, I vaguely remember that you were here a few days ago too. that question still doesn't produce any fruitful discussion in this channel. |
| 17:27.31 | Eulex | but deb > rpm |
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| 17:28.07 | Alexandar | simonrvn, can i just poke modules into the current kernel and hope for the best? |
| 17:28.09 | dwdrums_unix | oh... sry.. then i'll change the channel ;) |
| 17:28.10 | WizeGuy | asg: ok, thanks |
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| 17:28.23 | simonrvn | that kind of question knocks up the "potential troll factor" by at least 5 points, too |
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| 17:28.52 | Alexandar | mine? |
| 17:28.55 | Sander | Uhm... I don't have much time right now, I will be back tonight probably.. but I have a quick question |
| 17:29.04 | simonrvn | Alexandar: no |
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| 17:29.21 | Sander | I'm totally new to unix/linux but does Debian have some kind of GUI or can it be installed? |
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| 17:29.29 | asg | Sander: yes, /msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:29.30 | Sander | like GNOME? KDE? |
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| 17:29.40 | Dulan | simonrvn: For bonus points, he should ask "Which is better: OpenBSD or SuSE?" next time he comes into #debian. |
| 17:29.41 | stew | Sander: run aptitude, and go to the tasks section |
| 17:29.44 | Alexandar | apt-get install xfce4 ;] |
| 17:29.47 | asg | Sander: also, /msg dpkg install gnome or /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 17:29.53 | simonrvn | Alexandar: probably not. you need same source headers and same gcc version. otherwise it'll tell you as much ;) |
| 17:30.00 | simonrvn | Dulan: hehe |
| 17:30.01 | Alexandar | =[ |
| 17:30.05 | asg | Sander: finally, our wiki (/topic) has other information |
| 17:30.08 | Sander | well the problem is.. I don't even know how to run aptitude :) |
| 17:30.08 | sandman | Is it just me, or is dist-upgrading from sarge to etch is broken? |
| 17:30.12 | Alexandar | all i want is acpi to work |
| 17:30.19 | sandman | -is |
| 17:30.28 | acetomane | hello i have a question..I have two partitions 4,5 e 1,5 g fat32 can y modify it to install debian without creating new partitions??? |
| 17:30.34 | asg | Alexandar: acpi.sourceforge.net (there might be info there) |
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| 17:30.48 | asg | Alexandar: otherwise, give up on it. ACPI if broken. |
| 17:30.48 | simonrvn | Alexandar: acpi is a beast ... most implementations suck arse |
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| 17:31.12 | Alexandar | bleh , how do i get rid of the 2.6 kern then? |
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| 17:31.20 | Alexandar | i'l just live with 2.4 |
| 17:31.22 | asg | Alexandar: install a 2.4 one |
| 17:31.22 | Sander | I'll be back tonight, then I'll have time to try things out etc. :) |
| 17:31.31 | Alexandar | got 2.4 already |
| 17:31.43 | asg | Alexandar: the edit your grub or lilo conf to boot it instead of 2.6 |
| 17:31.49 | asg | s/^the/then/ |
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| 17:32.15 | m1ke_l | am i supposed to also have an emu10k1 module loaded, too/? |
| 17:32.15 | Alexandar | and the batterymonitor works & stuff just it was complain's about the hal something or other needing 2.6 |
| 17:32.33 | m1ke_l | or just the snd_emu10k1_synth? |
| 17:32.52 | Eulex | Alexandar, udev in etch needs a 2.6.12 kernel or newer |
| 17:32.54 | orjan | I'm looking at freenx in the link from the factoid. I can find only servers what's the name of the linux client? |
| 17:32.59 | Alexandar | udev? |
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| 17:33.18 | Alexandar | is that anything important as with hal? |
| 17:33.38 | Eulex | hal's not important, it's only used for auto-mounting |
| 17:33.45 | Eulex | dpkg is important |
| 17:33.50 | Eulex | umh |
| 17:33.56 | Eulex | udev is importand, I mean |
| 17:34.07 | Eulex | it managed the creating of device files |
| 17:34.09 | Alexandar | ugh |
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| 17:34.16 | Eulex | *manages |
| 17:34.29 | Eulex | !udev |
| 17:34.29 | dpkg | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 17:34.33 | dutch | Unrelated question: How do I change the size of the text in firefox, ie, File, edit, view, url textsize, etc |
| 17:34.57 | Alexandar | well the 2.6 kern i have is err 2.6.8 |
| 17:35.07 | Alexandar | so it doesnt support that udev thinh |
| 17:35.11 | Alexandar | thing* |
| 17:35.13 | Eulex | Alexandar, and are you on stable, testing or unstable? |
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| 17:35.31 | Alexandar | i think stable it was the net install cd |
| 17:35.52 | Sander | another quick question... I use a broadband connection with a username and pass. can I use that during installation? |
| 17:35.52 | stew | !udev =~ s#2.6.12#2.6.12 in testing and unstable# |
| 17:35.53 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:35.58 | bipolar | is there a way to backup an lvm volume and move it to another machine, or am I basicly just going to be doing a tar backup of the volume and untaring it into another one on the new machine? |
| 17:36.01 | Eulex | Alexandar, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 17:36.42 | cisse | bipolar: yes lvm snapshots |
| 17:37.36 | Eulex | Alexandar, libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 is in stable, anything newer is from testing or unstable. |
| 17:37.37 | sketche | how do i make debian not start in the gnome login? |
| 17:37.42 | asg | sketche: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:38.03 | Eulex | sketche, debian is the operating system. |
| 17:38.19 | sketche | yeah, i tried changing the runlevel, but it didn't help |
| 17:38.39 | asg | sketche: debian doesn't use runlevels like other distros. /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:38.46 | Eulex | !runlevel |
| 17:38.46 | dpkg | somebody said runlevel was 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 17:38.48 | Alexandar | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/519295 |
| 17:39.04 | Dulan | All right. I've been having this problem for hours, and been beating my head on it for a long time - even swapped HDs. Can't get past it - I can go in and install Debian just fine. But after the initial install from CD, when I go to reboot, the system ALWAYS gives me a "BOOT DISK FAILURE - P LEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISK" error. I installed Windows to check if it was a problem wiht the hardware - Windows runs fine. |
| 17:39.16 | Eulex | Alexandar, 2.3.2.ds1-22 == stable. you shouldn't worry. |
| 17:39.21 | Dulan | Can't figure out for the life of me what the problem is. Is there any known issues in the amd64 testing netinst images? |
| 17:39.38 | Alexandar | so i can remove the 2.6 boot options from grub then? |
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| 17:39.46 | asg | Dulan: did you do the important 'install bootloader' / 'make the system bootable' part of the installer? |
| 17:39.54 | Dulan | asg: Yes. |
| 17:39.55 | sketche | excellent, thanks |
| 17:40.06 | asg | Dulan: then check #debian-amd64, they may know |
| 17:40.32 | Eulex | Alexandar, umh, you do need at least root=whatever ro as boot options. if you've got anything else, they might be needed on your system. |
| 17:40.32 | Dulan | Thanks asg. |
| 17:40.51 | asg | Dulan: you're welcome. Also, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerFAQ may have some tips. |
| 17:41.14 | bipolar | cisse: My understanding is that an lvm snapshot just holds the volume's changes since the snapshot was done. I'd still have to tar up that data to move it. |
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| 17:41.35 | cisse | bipolar: dd or partimage works great for moving volumes |
| 17:41.43 | asg | so does dump + ssh |
| 17:41.57 | cisse | ugh dump |
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| 17:42.10 | bipolar | cisse: thanks! :) |
| 17:42.15 | _daniel_ | HI I am having trouble doing X forwarding |
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| 17:42.32 | _daniel_ | I have sshd config to accept it, I have X running |
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| 17:42.34 | cisse | dipolar: the snapshot ability is nice because you can dd or partimage or dump the drive while it's still mounted and in use |
| 17:42.47 | asg | _daniel_: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:42.57 | _daniel_ | I used to be able to ssh forward |
| 17:43.06 | cisse | danieldg: on the machine you're sshing to have you enabled xfowarding in sshd_config and restarted sshd, and are you ssh -X hostname -l user ? |
| 17:43.38 | _daniel_ | yes |
| 17:43.44 | _daniel_ | I used to be able to forward |
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| 17:44.52 | sandman | What's the general consensus on zope? |
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| 17:45.11 | sandman | Is zope among the better application servers for *nix? |
| 17:45.15 | sandman | opensource-wise? |
| 17:45.23 | tarzeau | sandman: i wouldn't say so |
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| 17:46.02 | sandman | tarzeau: What would you suggest? |
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| 17:47.30 | _daniel_ | any ideas ? |
| 17:47.32 | asg | sandman: Zope + Plone together make a decent content management solution. |
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| 17:47.35 | tarzeau | sandman: must be open source, right? |
| 17:48.01 | tarzeau | sandman: i think gnustepweb is one of the better ones (just like webcore from openstep/apple) |
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| 17:48.03 | _daniel_ | I already did what dpkg said |
| 17:48.13 | _daniel_ | I already had xauth |
| 17:48.20 | sandman | tarzeau: Thanks |
| 17:48.47 | sandman | tarzeau: Doesn't appear to be @ Sarge repositories |
| 17:49.12 | tarzeau | sandman: true it's not in sarge |
| 17:49.33 | _daniel_ | Couple days ago doing X forwarding in gaim, it segfaulted and the terminal died, after that I couldnt connect to the X'ses |
| 17:49.42 | asg | sandman: the better question to ask is which language(s) are you comfortable/proficient writing in. That will dictate your choice of application server. |
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| 17:50.37 | sandman | asg: Aye. |
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| 17:51.33 | napoleao | anyone know if Debian needs a package or someting in order to have a laptop dockstation working? |
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| 17:54.26 | Rich333 | hey all... I tried upgrading to kernel 2.6.15 and udev 0.81 from 2.6.8 and 0.56 respectively... used yaird as initramfs tool... on reboot, everything seemed to work okay, but I didn't like the perl dep from yaird, so I switched to initramfs-tools, rebuilt the image with it, then rebooted... udev apparently failed b/c I got stuck w/nothing but a busybox prompt... unfortunately, I had been lazy and didn't set up an alternative boot option in |
| 17:54.26 | Rich333 | lilo, nor did I have a rescue disk, so I burned a knoppix cd to rescue... knoppix used 2.6.12, udev, and xorg, and hanged on starting x for some reason (debian would do the same later), so rebooted in runlevel 2, lilo'd back my 2.6.15 with the yaird-built image... eth0 didn't work and xorg didn't either (system hanged when gdm was started, just as had happened with knoppix)... switched back to 2.6.8 kernel and 0.56 udev, rebooted... works, |
| 17:54.27 | Rich333 | but now drm radeon driver loads before agpgart, so HW accel is off and /dev/dsp and /dev/audio appear to be doing /dev/null impersonations |
| 17:54.37 | asg | napoleao: it shouldn't. Googling for "debian laptop docking station" should give you some pointers. ALso, check tuxmobile.org |
| 17:55.46 | stram | i cannot get SMTP auth working w/ debian 3.1 and sendmail |
| 17:55.48 | Flexy | How can I get a single mpeg file (to be played with vdr mplayer plugin via dvb full featured card) out from dvd image on my disk? |
| 17:56.04 | Rich333 | any ideas on how to salvage the 2.6.15 upgrade, or at least get my 2.6.8 back in working order? |
| 17:56.25 | asg | stram: see if there is a HOWTO in /usr/share/doc/sendmail/. Also, install the sendmail-doc package. |
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| 17:59.55 | stram | asg: where...there are tons of docs |
| 18:00.13 | napoleao | thanks asg |
| 18:01.36 | kps | can't upgrade xemacs21-mule in unstable ... any ideas ? |
| 18:01.39 | asg | stram: start with /usr/share/doc/sendmail/README.Debian{.gz}. grep -ilr 'smtp auth' /usr/share/doc/sendmail might produce other potentials |
| 18:01.45 | asg | kps: check the bts |
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| 18:02.14 | stram | this is soo freaking complicated |
| 18:02.20 | stram | all iwa nt to do is turn on smtp auth |
| 18:02.20 | kps | asg: bts ? |
| 18:02.22 | Eulex | !btssmite kps |
| 18:02.23 | asg | stram: then install exim or postfix |
| 18:02.35 | stram | asg: cant do that.. I have like 600 users i'd have to migrate |
| 18:02.42 | kps | ok thanks |
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| 18:03.06 | asg | stram: all sendmail does is hand off to an mda. Whichever one your sendmail setup is using will be usable with postfix or exim. |
| 18:03.19 | stram | i have sm-mta |
| 18:03.23 | asg | stram: was #sendmail not helpful? |
| 18:03.28 | stram | not really |
| 18:03.29 | Dulan | asg: Just finished installing Debian using the "official" 3.1r1 i386 release. Only used default options. I am still running into the same problem, even using 100% complete defaults on the install. Any ideas? |
| 18:03.36 | stram | aside from "rtfm", no |
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| 18:04.11 | asg | stram: well, the bat book is 1232 pages of rtfm and should cover just about anything you'd need to do with it. |
| 18:04.34 | stram | :( |
| 18:04.37 | asg | stram: as an aside, the last person who had a clue about sendmail and answered questions in here that I remember was the Debian package maintainer and I haven't seen him in years. |
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| 18:04.55 | kspath | hehehe |
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| 18:05.19 | stram | WJHSD:/usr/share/doc/sendmail/examples# sendmail -d0.1 -bv root | grep SASL |
| 18:05.20 | stram | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.24 | asg | stram: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/sendmail_smtp_auth_tls/index.php (may help since it's debian specific iirc) |
| 18:05.30 | asg | !tell Skarmeth about away |
| 18:06.02 | stram | asg: i am using debian .pkg's |
| 18:06.03 | asg | stram: or maybe no, I know he uses debian |
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| 18:06.19 | DevilChaos | hi does anyone use anon-proxy here need some hints on setup please? |
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| 18:06.35 | DevilChaos | done google not much help |
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| 18:07.37 | Dulan | asg: Tried both GRUB and LILO as well. Stumped as to what else I can try - any ideas? |
| 18:07.45 | asg | stram: then I don't know. if /usr/share/doc/sendmail and the docs installed by the sendmail-doc package don't help, you might want to ask again later to see if someone else knows. |
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| 18:08.14 | Rich333 | does anyone here know anything about udev? |
| 18:08.22 | asg | Dulan: as long as you installed the bootloader to the MBR, it should work just fine. |
| 18:08.26 | asg | !udev |
| 18:08.26 | dpkg | hmm... udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 18:08.44 | DevilChaos | Rich333: its the hotplug extention udev |
| 18:08.51 | asg | stew: you got rid of your quote? :( |
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| 18:09.00 | stew | not me |
| 18:09.37 | DevilChaos | hi stew |
| 18:09.59 | PupenoL | Hello, I've been setting my public key into various servers, for my user and for root. All worked till one server, where my key works for the user but not for the root. Any ideas ? The verbose connection can be seen at http://paste.lisp.org/display/15938 |
| 18:10.32 | Dulan | asg: The AMD64 people recommended I try i386, and it worked as well as the AMD64 distro ;p. A Knoppix LiveCD allows me to access the F/S, and the filesystem is there. A google for problems w/the VNF3-250 and Debian doesn't return anything big. |
| 18:10.33 | pack | Pupeno: does sshd on that machine support root logins? |
| 18:10.39 | Rich333 | DevilChaos: well the one with separate hotplug is screwed up now too, though that's only after installing the newer one which provides hotplug, then having to downgrade because the system became unusable |
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| 18:11.24 | asg | Dulan: there maybe an issue with the testing image, but I don't know for sure. |
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| 18:11.49 | DevilChaos | Rich333: did you add all modules into /etc/modules dir after you did what ever you did i take it you were updating? |
| 18:12.17 | Rich333 | nope |
| 18:12.17 | DevilChaos | sorry check that the modules were in |
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| 18:12.38 | Dulan | asg: this is also an issue with the official i386 3.1r1 release then. I'm inclined to believe that it is an issue with my hardware, but I now have a working OpenBSD install going on it, and Windows installs fine. It has to be user error - and I'm not seeing it if a 100% default installation still has the same problem. I'll fiddle with it some more, just not seeing the issue. |
| 18:12.44 | stram | dnl at the end of a line means comment? |
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| 18:13.34 | asg | Dulan: you could try booting with knoppix, chrooting into the system, and manually trying to install lilo or grub to the MBR. Or get OpenBSD's loader or Windows' to boot it for you. |
| 18:13.36 | DevilChaos | Rich333: what doesnt work on your system mouse or what why is it unusable? |
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| 18:13.42 | fredoslack | hi |
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| 18:14.01 | asg | stram: in m4, yes. |
| 18:14.27 | kspath | !clueby4smite kspath |
| 18:14.29 | Dulan | asg: OpenBSD is a good idea...but I really, really don't think I can get Windows' loader to boot Linux ;). Thanks, I'll fiddle with taht. |
| 18:15.24 | Rich333 | DevilChaos: I gave a full description before you entered... lemme paste it in pm |
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| 18:15.33 | BucHOME | hi all |
| 18:16.08 | BucHOME | i'm using comedi for data aquisition in linux with debian as the OS and in order to get comedi working i have to roll out my own kernel |
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| 18:16.36 | BucHOME | well when i do so my USB doesn't work properly. debian doesn't recognize my memory sticks or any other usb device properly |
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| 18:16.56 | BucHOME | what is the best way to get comedi working and usb devices as well? |
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| 18:21.20 | svein | What was the name of that program to remove unused packages? |
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| 18:22.00 | abrotman | deborphan ? debfoster ? |
| 18:22.07 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 18:22.09 | svein | debfoster, right. :) |
| 18:22.13 | DevilChaos | help me with anon-proxy anyone? |
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| 18:23.16 | DevilChaos | with setup |
| 18:23.22 | chrysopa | I have a nfs exported dir. Some machine mount this dir normal, others dont mount and others are slow to mount. All machine are on same network. What is the problem? |
| 18:24.49 | chrysopa | I have a nfs exported dir. Some machine mount this dir normal, others dont mount and others are slow to mount. All machine are on same network. What is the problem? |
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| 18:25.37 | poppe | is sleep in a .sh file in seconds? |
| 18:25.59 | RichiH | yes |
| 18:26.08 | poppe | ok, thanks |
| 18:26.52 | kps | can i tell apt to ignore the xemacs21-mule package ? |
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| 18:27.34 | abrotman | ignore it for what reason ? |
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| 18:28.42 | kps | well it has some errors and causes apt-get to complain and exit whenever i do e.g. "apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade" |
| 18:29.04 | kps | so it interferes when trying to upgrade other packages |
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| 18:33.36 | E-bola | Does any data recovery tools exist for linux? |
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| 18:34.29 | asg | E-bola: your backup tapes? |
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| 18:41.55 | destr0__ | I've got a couple emails in a spam quarantine, that I need to resend from the command line. The messages are intact with the original headers. Are there any command line utilities that I can run on the email message, that will resend it, preservice the original to and from headers? |
| 18:41.56 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes sure, what filesystem? partitions? |
| 18:42.17 | tarzeau | E-bola: what happened to your data? and how many of it is it? |
| 18:42.39 | tarzeau | if you did mkfs.ext2/3 on a ext2/3 partition, you're likely to have bad luck though |
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| 18:47.21 | grendal_prime | hey i got a machine...its on a remote server running old redhat 9. I would love to be able to upload the debian net install disk to it and run that from remote..is that possible? |
| 18:47.52 | asg | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 18:47.59 | grendal_prime | cool |
| 18:48.06 | asg | grendal_prime: be careful, it isn't clear whether it's a lark or actually well tested |
| 18:48.30 | azeem | 10:47 < braindmg> crypt_ex: it does not support sarge (yet) |
| 18:48.35 | azeem | ^^ debtakeover |
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| 18:48.42 | asg | ah, suck |
| 18:48.51 | asg | azeem: just woody? |
| 18:49.00 | azeem | apparently, yeah |
| 18:49.09 | azeem | 10:48 < braindmg> crypt_ex: I recommend going for woody, then upgrading the system to sarge |
| 18:49.12 | asg | azeem: not a problem if his hardware supports woody, he can dist-upgrade remotely |
| 18:49.19 | grendal_prime | well i could get it up and working with woody then redo the repos and ..whammo |
| 18:50.49 | E-bola | tarzeau: Its a failed raid stripe |
| 18:50.54 | E-bola | promise controller with 2 sata disks |
| 18:50.59 | E-bola | had ntfs partitions on it |
| 18:51.10 | E-bola | windows wont see the raid at all |
| 18:51.24 | E-bola | but i can see each disk under linux, so wondering if there are any ntfs recovery utils for linux? |
| 18:51.24 | tarzeau | E-bola: oops |
| 18:51.33 | tarzeau | E-bola: not mirror some other raid? |
| 18:51.40 | E-bola | raid-0 striped |
| 18:51.44 | E-bola | no mirror nor backup |
| 18:51.45 | E-bola | :/ |
| 18:51.49 | tarzeau | E-bola: ouch |
| 18:51.58 | tarzeau | E-bola: hope it was only non-important data |
| 18:52.00 | E-bola | idiot who set it up |
| 18:52.00 | asg | E-bola: apt-cache search ntfs recover (maybe there is something that can help) |
| 18:52.05 | DevilChaos | ok does anyone use proxys for browsing as ive tryed and one are to are slow what is the best ones to go for in uk ? |
| 18:52.11 | E-bola | it was very important data |
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| 18:52.21 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 18:52.26 | E-bola | we gonna send it to ibas |
| 18:52.32 | E-bola | if u knwo them |
| 18:52.52 | DevilChaos | or a hint to find out? |
| 18:52.56 | destr0__ | any smtp clients in the the debian package base that can send out an intact email preserving the headers? |
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| 18:53.31 | asg | destr0__: exim's 'sendmail' wrapper should be able to. berkely mail and mutt should also be able to as well. |
| 18:54.14 | grendal_prime | asg looks like that will do it. |
| 18:54.20 | madradrone | destr0__: like doing a "bounce" with mutt? |
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| 18:54.34 | grendal_prime | im worried about getting a sorto of mutant installation thought.. |
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| 18:55.38 | radz | hi all |
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| 18:56.14 | radz | Eulex, your yesterday help helps me to bring to work gprs :) |
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| 18:56.57 | Eulex | radz, it does? I don't remember what I helped you with, though |
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| 18:57.07 | Mika0800_tmp | ? |
| 18:57.12 | asg | grendal_prime: yeah, I know what you mean |
| 18:57.14 | radz | kernel 2.6.12 :) |
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| 18:58.37 | Eulex | radz, ah |
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| 18:59.04 | radz | pppd and ppp support in kernel work with 2.6 only |
| 18:59.16 | radz | in case og GPRS |
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| 19:02.04 | _terr | something really weird is goign on - I'm running debian sarge and it has been fine for over a year - now all of a sudden the KB sometimes autorepeats 100's of times. It seems to be happening randomly in various windows. |
| 19:02.07 | asg | Mika0800_tmp: /msg nickserv help |
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| 19:03.37 | sk1993 | hola como estan todos aqui bien en santo domingo |
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| 19:03.48 | Eulex | !en |
| 19:03.48 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 19:03.52 | Eulex | !es |
| 19:03.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:04.03 | radz | hola, we don't understand |
| 19:04.03 | Eulex | :) |
| 19:04.17 | radz | !ru |
| 19:04.17 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 19:04.30 | FiNaLBeTa | How do I get the anonymous account to work when using ftpd? (the wiki page seems to timeout for me) |
| 19:04.30 | radz | funny |
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| 19:04.44 | sk1993 | hello people |
| 19:05.11 | sk1993 | entiendo poco su idioma |
| 19:05.15 | asg | !es |
| 19:05.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:05.43 | radz | any NLE geeks here? |
| 19:05.50 | Eulex | sk1993, la lengua de #debian es inglés. por vafor usen #debian-es. |
| 19:05.56 | Eulex | *favor |
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| 19:06.30 | FiNaLBeTa | How do I get the anonymous account to work in ftp? Thank you. |
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| 19:06.58 | sk1993 | I NOW THAT YOU SPEAK EN.... |
| 19:07.00 | slashseed | hi |
| 19:07.07 | mrverbose | hi, I'll be joining this channel, cause the guys in #debian.de are really stupid and annoying - hope you don't mind :) |
| 19:07.21 | simonrvn | 'KNOW' |
| 19:07.25 | asg | mrverbose: as long as you speak English and not German, we don't mind |
| 19:07.29 | stew | mrverbose: as long as you don't speak german here, you are, of course welcome |
| 19:07.31 | Eulex | mrverbose, well, they're known to be that |
| 19:07.36 | simonrvn | no we don't mind |
| 19:07.37 | sk1993 | OK, PAYASO |
| 19:07.44 | asg | stop yelling |
| 19:07.53 | simonrvn | tansi ;) |
| 19:08.13 | mrverbose | asg: my english is actually better than my german - all those good series that never make it to be translated :) |
| 19:08.23 | asg | mrverbose: :) |
| 19:08.34 | sk1993 | GOOB BAY |
| 19:08.36 | slashseed | any one use bootsplash ? |
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| 19:08.44 | mrverbose | Eulex: it's good to hear i'm not the only one affected :) |
| 19:08.57 | Eulex | mrverbose, hehe |
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| 19:09.27 | slashseed | when i do 'apt-get install sysv-rc-bootsplash' i got some err ? |
| 19:09.48 | slashseed | can any one help me ? |
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| 19:09.55 | asg | slashseed: it would help to know what the error is. |
| 19:10.02 | slashseed | ok |
| 19:10.04 | A3K | hello |
| 19:10.35 | slashseed | it says : Testing if patches apply cleanly... |
| 19:10.35 | slashseed | 4 out of 5 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file /etc/init.d/rcS.rej |
| 19:10.35 | slashseed | Patches would not apply cleanly. |
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| 19:10.53 | A3K | I am helping to set up a wireless network at a small college and need some advice...anyone good with multi-user networking? |
| 19:10.59 | stew | dondelelcaro: i think dpkg's "info pkgname dist" function is hung |
| 19:11.01 | mrverbose | slashseed: seems your kernel sources do not match to the ones required by bootsplash |
| 19:11.19 | mrverbose | slashseed: forget what i said |
| 19:11.25 | slashseed | oops , so what can i do now ? |
| 19:11.28 | slashseed | oh... |
| 19:11.44 | mrverbose | weired error |
| 19:12.07 | mrverbose | exec /etc/init.d/rc S <-- that is the only line in my /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 19:12.12 | madradrone | anyone know the default key combo to cycle to next window in irssi? |
| 19:12.13 | stew | slashseed: is sysv-rc-bootsplash a debian package? |
| 19:12.24 | stew | mrverbose: ctrl-n / ctrl-p |
| 19:12.28 | stew | madradrone: ^^^ |
| 19:12.28 | simonrvn | ^n ^p |
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| 19:13.12 | mrverbose | stew: doesn' |
| 19:13.22 | mrverbose | stew: doesnt seem to be a debian package: sysv-rc-bootsplash |
| 19:13.24 | asg | madradrone: also, meta-a will switch between windows that have activity |
| 19:13.42 | slashseed | to stew : yes ,i found it at http://www.bootsplash.de/ |
| 19:13.59 | stew | that's a no then |
| 19:14.09 | simonrvn | esc-a if meta-a doesn't work |
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| 19:14.30 | pebkac | hi there |
| 19:14.33 | destr0__ | mutt bounce is almost what I'm looking for, except it requires you to specify who to send it to, I'm looking for something that will resend the message to the recipient in the To: folder |
| 19:14.35 | YieruWoh | meta? that's not the same as multi-key r-alt? |
| 19:14.41 | sk1993 | HELLOOOO... |
| 19:14.44 | stew | slashseed: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:14.46 | madradrone | ah thks simonrvn |
| 19:14.52 | asg | YieruWoh: usually left alt by default |
| 19:14.57 | simonrvn | sk1993: stop yelling FFS |
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| 19:15.17 | slashseed | i use 2.6.12 |
| 19:15.24 | slashseed | testing |
| 19:15.35 | pebkac | is there any way to squeeze out more info from pam? I'm trying to su to root, however I keep getting pam_authentication failure and I'm sure I'm typing the right password |
| 19:15.36 | YieruWoh | is there any way to scroll back up the history if you want to maybe copy something? |
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| 19:15.46 | stew | !splashy |
| 19:15.46 | dpkg | it has been said that splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 19:15.54 | asg | pebkac: add 'debug' at the end of the line for the pam module you are debugging |
| 19:16.14 | pebkac | asg: does that require any restart of any login service? |
| 19:16.15 | asg | stew: someone on planet.d.o backported it today also |
| 19:16.15 | stew | !splashy is also http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 19:16.15 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 19:16.22 | asg | pebkac: generally not, no |
| 19:16.30 | simonrvn | pebkac: no |
| 19:16.35 | pebkac | thanks, lemme try :-) |
| 19:16.49 | YieruWoh | right. i'll give this a try |
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| 19:17.10 | sk1993 | STOP YOU,WAY YOU SEY THAT STUPET... |
| 19:17.11 | slashseed | oh, you mean i should use that sources ? |
| 19:17.15 | slashseed | thanks |
| 19:17.21 | slashseed | let me try |
| 19:17.27 | azeem | sk1993: please do not use all caps in here |
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| 19:17.35 | mrverbose | anyone here familiar with smartcard-readers on linux? |
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| 19:17.57 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 19:18.08 | mrverbose | i am planning to buy one for my laptop (a pcmcia) one and there is a driver for it. question is: can i use it with gnupg smartcard` |
| 19:18.17 | simonrvn | oh good, didn't have to add an ignore |
| 19:18.28 | azeem | what is .do, anyway? |
| 19:18.40 | simonrvn | dominican republic IIRC |
| 19:18.42 | simonrvn | !do |
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| 19:18.53 | asg | !.do |
| 19:18.55 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 19:19.01 | mrverbose | !do "rm -rf /" |
| 19:19.07 | abrotman | azeem: dont.you.people.have.something.better.to.do ? |
| 19:19.09 | asg | o/~ da .do run run run ad .do run run o/~ |
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| 19:19.16 | simonrvn | !do is <reply>Dominican Republic do dom 214 |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | !.do |
| 19:19.26 | abrotman | i thought it was in there |
| 19:19.29 | simonrvn | !.do is <reply>Dominican Republic do dom 214 |
| 19:19.29 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 19:19.31 | azeem | !doh |
| 19:19.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 19:19.35 | pebkac | asg: is that done via /etc/pam.d/whatever where pam_unix.so is defined? |
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| 19:19.44 | asg | pebkac: yes |
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| 19:19.46 | azeem | azeem: please do not abuse the bot |
| 19:19.53 | asg | hah |
| 19:20.09 | simonrvn | !no .do is <reply>Dominican Republic do dom 214 |
| 19:20.09 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 19:20.13 | mrverbose | azeem: bot-abusal is no felony afair :D |
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| 19:20.14 | asg | pebkac: or for the individual service. In this case, /etc/pam.d/su |
| 19:20.17 | simonrvn | better |
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| 19:20.50 | madradrone | if someone says something to me and it happens to scroll off the screen when i'm not watching, i guess i would miss it |
| 19:21.09 | dsl_ | Hi, debian (netinstall) won't recognize my hd's (2x sata2 160gb) any idea? |
| 19:21.27 | abrotman | dsl_: what's the controller? |
| 19:21.44 | stew | madradrone: /help lastlog |
| 19:21.51 | dsl_ | controller? sorry I'm a beginner |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | dsl_: ICH6 or something? .. it's the type of hardware you have |
| 19:22.30 | ejofee | with wget, how do i dump a text file so that i can redirect it to a file? (so without using -O) |
| 19:22.30 | FiNaLBeTa | How do I get the anonymous account to work in ftpd? |
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| 19:22.41 | pebkac | asg: that includes common-* |
| 19:22.43 | azeem | FiNaLBeTa: it depends on which ftpd you use |
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| 19:22.55 | asg | pebkac: then do it in common-auth, etc. |
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| 19:23.02 | madradrone | hi YieruWoh (testing 1 2 3...) |
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| 19:24.17 | dsl_ | mmmm hd160jj, pci ide? |
| 19:24.19 | FiNaLBeTa | azeem , I used apt-get install ftpd it has a file /etc/ftpusers , I uncommented anonymous, but seems I must do something else |
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| 19:24.42 | azeem | FiNaLBeTa: I do not know, sorry |
| 19:24.53 | azeem | FiNaLBeTa: did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ftpd? |
| 19:25.03 | Mika0800 | dsl_ is not the first one complaining about SATA and linux -compatibility. So, is it safe at all to purchase a SATA (or SATA-2) hard disk and a PCI -controller for it? If so, do I need to check carefully, what PCI-SATA controllers are supported by Linux ? |
| 19:25.07 | ati | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.22 | FiNaLBeTa | azeem , I did not, didn't know that file existed, thank you. |
| 19:25.30 | dsl_ | as boot option? |
| 19:25.58 | asg | dsl_: /msg dpkg sata (some useful links also) |
| 19:26.16 | ati | when you fall in red screen |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | did you try linux26 ? |
| 19:26.42 | abrotman | or try sarge 2.6.14 ? |
| 19:26.51 | abrotman | erm .. those are used in different ways |
| 19:27.01 | asg | !fix abrotman |
| 19:27.16 | Mika0800 | Any hope to update Debian Sarge Kernel to 2.6.10 ? 1. Will it break anything? 2. What about security updates - I think 2.6.10 is not supported by the Debian team... |
| 19:27.19 | simonrvn | Mika0800: yes, checking would be a good idea. it is, regardless |
| 19:27.52 | pebkac | asg: well, I added it to everywhere I could, but I just don't see much more |
| 19:28.14 | pebkac | asg; is it like eg: account required pam_unix.so debug |
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| 19:28.37 | asg | pebkac: did you look for the errors in /var/log/auth.log. Also, did you add debug to the 'auth' facility as well as 'account'? |
| 19:28.43 | A3K | what I want to do, is to set up a linux server that is connected to the internet, and to our lan. I want to run a wireless router to enable students to have access to the internet, while blocking access to the lan, but allow faculty to access the lan through the wireless. I also want to be able to log and control access to certain types of web content. Is there an easy way to do this in debian? |
| 19:28.46 | simonrvn | pebkac: you checked /var/log/auth.log too? |
| 19:28.56 | simonrvn | asg: fucking mind reader :) |
| 19:29.01 | ati | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.02 | dusty- | How do i setup nfs in debian? |
| 19:29.04 | tarzeau | damned awful X in sid |
| 19:29.06 | dusty- | !tell dusty about nfs |
| 19:29.13 | pebkac | yep, that's where I'm trying to look for the problem |
| 19:29.14 | tarzeau | first it breaks keyboard maps, and now x don't even start anymore |
| 19:29.16 | asg | simonrvn: I've done enough pam debugging for several lifetimes :) |
| 19:29.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:29.33 | tarzeau | usually things get fixed, not broken even more |
| 19:29.46 | pebkac | asg: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure, and some more know alredy |
| 19:29.58 | asg | pebkac: what's the rest? |
| 19:30.00 | pebkac | asg: nothing related to "why" it does fail (wrong password or etc) |
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| 19:30.15 | A3K | is there a util that would allow me to assign IP's and control the access based upon an IP group? |
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| 19:30.37 | pebkac | asg: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=myuser uid=1005 euid=1005 tty=pts/1 ruser=myuser rhost= user=root |
| 19:30.46 | Mika0800 | Will debian ever come with 2.6.10 kernel.... or are they going to jump directly to 2.6.15 or something... ? |
| 19:30.47 | pebkac | - pts/1 myuser:root |
| 19:30.48 | dsl_ | ati : More: Kanotix (debian sid) gets only one drive, Knoppix 4.0.2 gets both. Where can I find those daily built images |
| 19:31.03 | pebkac | asg: oh and a PAM-rootok[2801]: authentication failed in the begining :-) |
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| 19:31.38 | pebkac | asg: the only way I could login as root was "sudo root" - so I assume something happened to this box over night |
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| 19:31.47 | robert1 | hi when i put <Directory /usr/local/whatever> tag, how does it know to which directory map it in the url? |
| 19:31.57 | robert1 | like, how do i access that directory remotely? |
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| 19:33.00 | simonrvn | pebkac: sudo su -; passwd; |
| 19:33.36 | simonrvn | robert1: <Directory> ... |
| 19:33.53 | pebkac | simonrvn: works with the user password, not with root |
| 19:33.59 | simonrvn | robert1: by mapping to something public |
| 19:34.13 | simonrvn | in one of several ways |
| 19:34.14 | pebkac | simonrvn: oh and changed the password many times |
| 19:34.25 | simonrvn | ok |
| 19:34.39 | pebkac | simonrvn: for root - but it doesn't seem to have any affect on the auth :-/ |
| 19:34.50 | Mika0800 | pebkac: does it say "incorrect password" or something else ? |
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| 19:35.13 | SperMite | is like etch broken fully or something? |
| 19:35.20 | pebkac | Mika0800: no, just authentication failure, that's all I receive even with debug enabled to the relevant modules |
| 19:35.28 | grendal_prime | asg problem is i cant seem to find a suse package for debootstrap |
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| 19:35.57 | asg | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg debootstrap (the bit about grabbing the source and compiling it) |
| 19:35.59 | Mika0800 | what does it say if you login as normal user, but purposefully give wrong password ? |
| 19:36.03 | simonrvn | pam is a PITA to debug sometimes |
| 19:36.09 | SperMite | whats up with etch? |
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| 19:37.16 | ronin | SperMite: in what way? |
| 19:37.25 | Mika0800 | one possible solution: open the shadow password file (need root rights, of course, but sudo can do that) and copy the normal user's password field over the root's password field. Before this, it is a good idea to make a backup copy if something goes wrong... |
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| 19:37.41 | SperMite | ronin its not letting me get alot of packages like k3b |
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| 19:37.54 | pebkac | Mika0800: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=myhost user=myuser |
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| 19:38.13 | abrotman | SperMite: C++ ABI transition |
| 19:38.30 | SperMite | abrotman ? |
| 19:38.31 | pebkac | Mika0800: nope, won't try that. I'm logged in as root and changed the password to something else I know for sure, again, as root |
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| 19:38.41 | pebkac | however, I can't su root with another user |
| 19:38.50 | pebkac | Mika0800: oh and not using that "wheel" feature :-) |
| 19:38.53 | abrotman | SperMite: C++ ABI transition |
| 19:38.57 | asg | pebkac: if you are root now, can you su - root? |
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| 19:39.00 | Mika0800 | wheel ??? |
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| 19:39.06 | pebkac | asg: with root? |
| 19:39.09 | By-Tor | anybody here know anything about phpgroupware? |
| 19:39.17 | SperMite | abrotman i ddk C++ |
| 19:39.21 | abrotman | SperMite: everything written in C++ has to be recompiled and pass through to etch like normal .. k3b hasn't gotten that far yet |
| 19:39.28 | cr3 | anyone happen to know of a convention for providing headers at the top of scripts, like author, filename, description, etc? |
| 19:39.28 | asg | pebkac: yes. a. la. sudo su - |
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| 19:39.42 | rene- | hello, i have a qmailtoaster in debian, iwant to get rid of it and install dovecot+exim, how do i disable courier at startup? |
| 19:39.45 | pebkac | asg: yeah, with root I can su root |
| 19:39.51 | Mika0800 | I once forgot my root password. But that was easy to fix by booting from Knoppix-CD.... |
| 19:40.25 | pebkac | Mika0800: yeah, there's this nice trick allowing users of only one group to be root; this one's called wheel by default |
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| 19:40.52 | pebkac | Mika0800: yeah :-) that's an easy go, however it's another story when you know your root pass but you can stick it up :-D isn't it? :-D |
| 19:40.53 | asg | pebkac: then something is preventing your user from doing it. Did you enable pam_wheel? |
| 19:41.15 | asg | Mika0800: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password provides a better way than resorting to knoppix for most situations |
| 19:41.22 | pebkac | asg: nope, however that was the third thing I thought about, so I quickly added mysel to wheel |
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| 19:41.33 | mrverbose | pebkac: how can i protect my system with the "wheel" thing |
| 19:41.35 | pebkac | asg: but it's turned off for sure |
| 19:41.36 | simonrvn | boot init=/bin/bash; passwd |
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| 19:41.52 | simonrvn | that's part of it ;) |
| 19:41.54 | mrverbose | i mean how can i prevent users not in wheel from su root |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | do they know root's password? |
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| 19:42.11 | abrotman | there is no wheel by default in debian |
| 19:42.15 | mrverbose | abrotman: nope |
| 19:42.17 | muse | ? |
| 19:42.17 | pebkac | mrverbose: 1) create a group called wheel |
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| 19:42.22 | abrotman | mrverbose: then .. you care why? |
| 19:42.27 | abrotman | ubuh-huntuh: #ubuntu |
| 19:42.30 | spaere | Hi all, I used fdupes to list a bunch of duplicates into a txt file and was wondering how I could pass it into a bash script to remove the duplicates except for the first file? (or is there an easier way to remove duplicate files? i'm just managing a music library) |
| 19:42.39 | rene- | how can i query my system for installed packages (like with rpm -q) |
| 19:42.43 | mrverbose | abrotman: just security fanatic :) |
| 19:42.49 | ubuh-huntuh | is there a software that records who has deleted certain files/directories??? |
| 19:42.54 | asg | rene-: dpkg -l | egrep '^[hi]i' |
| 19:42.59 | abrotman | ubuh-huntuh: for Ubuntu ? |
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| 19:43.00 | Mika0800 | anyone tried to update the Sarge's kernel to 2.6.10 ? |
| 19:43.01 | pebkac | mrverbose: 2) uncomment this in your /etc/pam.d/su - # auth required pam_wheel.so use_uid |
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| 19:43.08 | mrverbose | pebkac: thx |
| 19:43.13 | abrotman | mrverbose: then why even give them a shell ? |
| 19:43.13 | ubuh-huntuh | abrotman: for linux/solaris |
| 19:43.19 | ubuh-huntuh | debian |
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| 19:43.37 | pebkac | mrverbose: 3) check your login.defs, as it supposed to replace the SU_WHEEL_ONLY option there |
| 19:43.49 | abrotman | your nick just sounds like ubuntu because you use debian ? |
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| 19:44.00 | pebkac | mrverbose: 4) and add yourself to wheel for sure before you try the whole thing :-) |
| 19:44.01 | rene- | asg: thanks |
| 19:44.17 | vin` | !pebkac |
| 19:44.18 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 19:44.28 | mrverbose | pebkac: i have physical access to that box an also the root-password :) |
| 19:44.32 | Mika0800 | I tried kubuntu 5.04 but there were several things broken.... |
| 19:44.42 | vin` | they all suck. |
| 19:44.44 | pebkac | :-) |
| 19:44.51 | pebkac | vin`: yeah you figured :D |
| 19:44.58 | mrverbose | abrotman: its more a protection against users that haven't been given a shell but took one :) |
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| 19:45.17 | abrotman | mrverbose: chances are .. you're screwed already :) |
| 19:45.22 | rene- | asg: i installed qmailtoaster packages in my debian box but i compiled from source, i want to disable them at startup, iam used to chkconfig --level 12345 package on|off, how does that get acomplished in debian? |
| 19:45.46 | asg | rene-: rcconf, update-rc.d, or just deleting links manually from /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:45.53 | PupenoL | how do I regenaret the hosts ssh-keys in a server ? |
| 19:45.54 | vin` | asg: ionman! |
| 19:46.03 | asg | vin`: takatumi? |
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| 19:46.25 | vin` | asg: I finally switched from ion. |
| 19:46.29 | asg | vin`: to what? |
| 19:46.42 | azeem | ion2 |
| 19:46.44 | simonrvn | ion3 :P |
| 19:46.48 | asg | hah |
| 19:46.53 | vin` | asg: dunno yet, trying out kde3.5 ;-/ |
| 19:46.59 | rene- | asg: thanks man |
| 19:47.02 | asg | vin`: eeek :) |
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| 19:47.07 | pebkac | so guys, what else I should check? |
| 19:47.07 | gahan | can i set default gtk font? |
| 19:47.19 | asg | simonrvn: I expoused the wonders of ion and then promptly switched to fluxbox myself ;) |
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| 19:47.26 | pebkac | I'm a but afraid doing some big stuff like rebooting the box or replacing the login package |
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| 19:47.29 | mrverbose | abrotman: well, i took some precautions ;) |
| 19:48.01 | grendal_prime | cant get the source...server is too busy it says |
| 19:48.02 | asg | pebkac: as long as you have physical access to the box, getting access is trivial. |
| 19:48.07 | pebkac | I've just remote access to the box, so it'd be hell to get there in -19 degrees in Celsius out there :-) |
| 19:48.13 | mrverbose | pebkac: works, thx |
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| 19:48.20 | gahan | how do i set/change gtk1.2 font? |
| 19:48.20 | asg | pebkac: yeah, that does throw a wrench into that plan |
| 19:48.21 | pebkac | mrverbose: cool, np |
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| 19:48.38 | pebkac | asg: agreed :-D |
| 19:48.48 | dsl_ | ati : I can disable on-chip pci port, or disable sata controller, would that help? |
| 19:48.53 | pebkac | lemme get a smoke to speed up my brain cells a bit :-) bbl |
| 19:48.58 | asg | pebkac: was this an old woody box that got upgraded? |
| 19:49.32 | pebkac | asg: nope, this was an old something that haven't got upgraded in the past 7 months |
| 19:49.38 | pebkac | asg: not even one package :-) |
| 19:49.40 | simonrvn | gahan: gtk-theme-switch; binary is called switch for gtk1 |
| 19:50.03 | asg | pebkac: oh, ouch. |
| 19:50.09 | asg | pebkac: smoke sounds like a good idea then. |
| 19:50.18 | pebkac | asg: I've just found something strange |
| 19:50.20 | blondie | PEBKAC |
| 19:50.21 | pebkac | asg: lol |
| 19:50.21 | gahan | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 19:50.45 | pebkac | BLONDIE |
| 19:50.46 | pebkac | :D |
| 19:50.53 | blondie | :o |
| 19:50.57 | pebkac | asg: su[307]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 19:51.03 | blondie | pebkac: you are the bane of my existence |
| 19:51.06 | pebkac | asg: su[307]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
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| 19:51.12 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 unstable |
| 19:51.16 | pebkac | asg: su[307]: (pam_unix) session closed for user nobody |
| 19:51.30 | pebkac | asg: this happened around 6am GMT+1, never seen such stuff b4 :-) |
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| 19:51.55 | Mika0800 | gtk? How about this: how to change it so it reports version "2.0.0" instead of "x11-2.0.0" ... because some software's install scripts will evaluate "x11-2" as 0 - so they think you have version "0.0.0" of gtk.... and then complain that you should update to 1.2.0 or newer.... |
| 19:51.59 | stew | ...<dondelelcaro> stupid perl ipc bug |
| 19:52.00 | pebkac | blondie: lol :-) that makes 2 of us :-) I could have never been born without you :-) |
| 19:52.15 | blondie | o.O |
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| 19:52.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the problem is solving that issue is kind of far down on my list |
| 19:52.43 | pebkac | asg: yeah... smoke owns. |
| 19:52.46 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 unstable |
| 19:52.49 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-12 (sid), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 16728 kB |
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| 19:53.12 | stew | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 19:53.34 | holycow | is it possible to get java web start to work on debian? that is simply part of installing the jre from sun correct? |
| 19:53.47 | dondelelcaro | stew: np |
| 19:53.52 | stew | holycow: yes, it works fine, /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 19:54.12 | holycow | stew, ok |
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| 19:56.17 | spaere | Hi, can anyone recommend a good solution for removing duplicate files (in my case, duplicate mp3s in a music library?) |
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| 19:56.50 | grendal_prime | ya suse is just weird i dont care what anyone says... |
| 19:56.58 | Mika0800 | spaere: run md5sum to all of them. If you get a duplicate md5sum, then they are the same file |
| 19:57.32 | spaere | Mika0800: thanks, but once I know which files are duplicates, is there an easy way to remove them automatically? |
| 19:57.34 | radz | accidently push on button of asus t9400 embedded mp3 player and dmesg shows me following: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 19:57.44 | Mika0800 | in fact, I am developing a better tool to do just that.... ( aGUI one with something more automatic) |
| 19:57.46 | radz | how can I upload mp3 to this player? |
| 19:58.03 | spaere | Mika0800: i used fdupes to get a list of duplicates but I'm not sure how I should pipe it through something to get rid of them |
| 19:58.41 | Eulex | radz, you can hopefully mount it. |
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| 19:58.54 | radz | Eulex, what device to use? |
| 19:59.01 | Eulex | radz, check fdisk -l |
| 19:59.23 | Mika0800 | the app I am developing generates a list with: 1. a full name (including path) to each mp3. 2. File size of each 3. md5sum of each |
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| 19:59.37 | radz | Eulex, only hda |
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| 19:59.59 | Eulex | radz, then it doesn't seem like it supports ums. |
| 20:00.07 | radz | Eulex, under windows it wants special driver |
| 20:00.46 | radz | I guess nobody use asus t9400 with linux but me :) |
| 20:00.59 | Eulex | radz, ah, then there's very little hope in getting it to work. someone could have written a driver for that thing or a compatible one for linux. |
| 20:01.03 | Mika0800 | I used my app to scan a vfat partition (previosuly been used with win98, but now in linux), and if was ok, but very slow to scan folders with MS-IE's temporary files in it.... go figure, why... |
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| 20:03.06 | recens | greetings debian rockers |
| 20:03.30 | Eulex | radz, http://www.schaepermeier.de/linux/l_asus9400.htm -- Works not: APM, ACPI: Suspend to x, MP3-Player, Modem. |
| 20:04.16 | radz | :) I didn't test modem yet... I use GPRS and WiFi |
| 20:04.21 | recens | can anyone help with this dhcpd.conf problem |
| 20:04.34 | recens | I get no subnet info for restart 0.0.0.0 |
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| 20:06.07 | recens | also does anyone know if the debian 2.4 kernel has a bridge option? would it be the wanrouter module? |
| 20:06.30 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 20:06.35 | grendal_prime | you building a router? |
| 20:06.39 | recens | yep |
| 20:06.46 | Eulex | radz, that laptop of yours seems to be very rare. the only guide on the net that I can find is the german one above. |
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| 20:06.48 | abrotman | of course it does |
| 20:06.59 | grendal_prime | and compiling your own kernel for that? |
| 20:07.01 | FarrisG | Every once in a while, a user or two will have the group write bit turned on for his entire home directory, and none of these users ever remembers doing it himself. I have no scripts that run as root. Any idea what could be causing this? |
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| 20:07.18 | recens | just useing the one included with the install |
| 20:07.25 | grendal_prime | recens, you try just building a base system |
| 20:07.27 | recens | the simplified menu |
| 20:07.45 | radz | hmm, my german even worst than english :) |
| 20:07.50 | recens | ya no gui no extra packages, just iptables and dhcpd |
| 20:07.50 | grendal_prime | and set the network options for ip forwarding = yes |
| 20:08.00 | grendal_prime | then just install iptables |
| 20:08.04 | blondie | how can I make /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward stay set to 1 after reboot? |
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| 20:08.12 | asg | blondie: man sysctl.conf |
| 20:08.26 | cisse | blondie: set that in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:08.34 | recens | I haven't got to try forwarding at all yet cause dhcpd won't start up |
| 20:08.36 | radz | it is not rare in russia |
| 20:09.02 | blondie | ok thanks |
| 20:09.02 | grendal_prime | recens, has nothing to do with routing...dhcp that is |
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| 20:09.51 | ronove | just a quick question: is debian sarge compatible with SATA hdrives? |
| 20:10.01 | blondie | ronove: yes |
| 20:10.14 | azeem | the 2.6 flavor, anyway |
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| 20:10.47 | recens | ya but if I want to go any further I need to hook another machine up to it and start finding what i want to forward |
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| 20:10.54 | Eulex | ronove, depends on chipset. |
| 20:11.03 | grendal_prime | recens after the install is done goto /etc/network/options |
| 20:11.06 | ronove | Eulex, ah.. damned chipsets |
| 20:11.09 | vin` | 2.6 will be the default installer kernel for etch. |
| 20:11.11 | grendal_prime | ip_forward=yes |
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| 20:11.30 | recens | ok, never looked there |
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| 20:11.56 | grendal_prime | then installl iptables pkg and google for "iptables router" |
| 20:11.56 | Eulex | ronove, well, what chipset? |
| 20:12.14 | grendal_prime | there are probably over a million or so iptables configs for routing ... |
| 20:12.15 | ronove | Eulex: Intel 945G express |
| 20:12.16 | abrotman | netfilter.org and lartc.org and #iptables |
| 20:12.25 | Mika0800 | vin: what subversion? I would like to have debian sarge with 2.6.10 ... |
| 20:12.27 | asg | abrotman: or OpenBSD |
| 20:12.29 | pudo | hi everyone! I'm having trouble with cron(.daily): I have placed various scripts into /etc/cron.daily but they don't get executed. some do, but some don't and I can't see the pattern. help anyone? |
| 20:12.35 | abrotman | asg: i meant using debian :) |
| 20:12.50 | opnsrc | I'm using nautilus, how do I make an option so I can open a directory in a terminal (in the file menu) |
| 20:12.56 | cisse | pudo: look at the permissions (ls -l) of cron.daily, they need to be +x |
| 20:13.03 | asg | pudo: the files much match the naming parameters defined by run-parts. Man run-parts. Verify they do. |
| 20:13.08 | pudo | cisse: they are ,_) |
| 20:13.08 | recens | will do, i'll just use this one for that |
| 20:13.11 | grendal_prime | I cant get the fkn source for debootstrap debian server is too busy it says |
| 20:13.16 | pudo | asg: where do i find these? |
| 20:13.22 | grendal_prime | and i cant find it anywere... |
| 20:13.25 | asg | pudo: man run-parts |
| 20:13.29 | pudo | asg: i read some about that in LSB.. |
| 20:13.33 | pudo | asg: thanks |
| 20:13.50 | Eulex | ronove, yes, that's the motherboard chipset. the sata chipset is different from that. I'd guess ich5 or ich6 on that one. |
| 20:14.34 | ronove | Eulex: my drive gets recognized by suse, but not by debian.. same with my ethernet (onboard) card |
| 20:14.36 | pudo | asg: they seem to match these. a typical name is "mysqlcleanup". |
| 20:14.45 | Eulex | ronove, tried both kernels? |
| 20:14.51 | nerdyH | My unstable debian system seems to have lost track of what packages are installed. So, for example, when I do "update-menus" only a couple of recently installed packages show up |
| 20:14.52 | ronove | Eulex: yeps |
| 20:14.53 | Vinz | hi everybody |
| 20:15.02 | vin` | Mika0800: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.12 |
| 20:15.19 | opnsrc | isn't sarge 3.1 now? |
| 20:15.22 | opnsrc | I think you should upgrade |
| 20:15.28 | vin` | Mika0800: or try etch d-i |
| 20:15.36 | Eulex | ronove, then you could try the following unofficial kernels: |
| 20:15.38 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 20:15.39 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.12] http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 20:15.42 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 20:15.42 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 20:15.50 | Eulex | umh, unofficial installers |
| 20:15.55 | vin` | oh, that too. |
| 20:15.55 | asg | pudo: if they run as regular scripts, make sure that the ENV is correct since cron calls them with a stricter environment that your user has regarding PATH etc. |
| 20:16.07 | nerdyH | Any way to rebuild the installed package database based on what's actually installed? Or do I have to reinstall everythng? |
| 20:16.10 | opnsrc | anywho, how do I put an option to open a folder in a terminal window? |
| 20:16.35 | pebkac | asg: had the smoke :-) didn't help much :-D |
| 20:16.37 | asg | nerdyH: /msg dpkg available |
| 20:16.42 | ronove | vin' : hm, can I check if my ethernet card (intel PRO 10/100) would work? |
| 20:16.46 | asg | pebkac: me too, I'm at a loss. |
| 20:16.59 | ronove | I mean eulex above |
| 20:17.00 | pebkac | lol :D |
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| 20:17.13 | pebkac | alright, lemme search the s* out of google :-) |
| 20:17.19 | Mika0800 | ronove: about ethernet cards: I had that problem with 3Com etherlink III ISA card (3c509) with any distro with 2.6 -series kernel. BUt with 2.4 it's fine. solution: during install, switch to another console (Ctrl-Alt-F2), then mount a floppy, where you have copied 3c509.ko (in my case, you may need some other module for other ethernet circuitry), then i just did insmod 35509 and that was fine. After install, it's better to use modprobe than insmo |
| 20:17.46 | Eulex | Mika0800, umh, that's highly specific to the chipset in your network card |
| 20:17.47 | nerdyH | asg: the list of available packages isn't the problem |
| 20:18.01 | vin` | ronove: which kernel supports it? googled? |
| 20:18.04 | asg | nerdyH: oh, I misread your issue then |
| 20:18.23 | nerdyH | asg: problem is that the package management system thinks I have basically nothing installed |
| 20:18.51 | ronove | vin': haven't googled yet, but none of the kernels on the default sarge disk worked for me |
| 20:18.53 | nerdyH | asg: as I install new stuff, it shows up in the system. But if I do, for example, apt-get install firefox, it reinstalls all this stuff that's already there |
| 20:19.06 | asg | nerdyH: then /var/lib/dpkg/status is probably corrupt. An backup should be available in /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
| 20:19.08 | vin` | ronove: including 2.6.8? |
| 20:19.20 | nerdyH | asg: thanks, will give it a try |
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| 20:20.01 | Eulex | ronove, you've got an ich7 sata chipset |
| 20:20.05 | Mika0800 | Eulex: I know. but as a general idea, that should work. Of couse he needs to find out what is the correct module for his eth circuitry. the 3c509.ko was ok for 3Com Etherlink III ISA -card (3c509B) |
| 20:20.46 | nerdyH | asg: I guess status-old was corrupt, too :-( |
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| 20:20.51 | Mika0800 | vin: what are you talking about? I was interested in 2.6.10, not 2.6.12.... |
| 20:20.57 | nerdyH | It still thinks all this stuff isn't installed, that actually is |
| 20:21.01 | ronove | eulex: ok, now what do I have to do? |
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| 20:21.27 | vin` | Mika0800: roll your own kernel, make your own custom d-i etc. |
| 20:21.47 | pudo | is it possible to invoke cron.daily manually for testing purposes? |
| 20:22.16 | vin` | !custom d-i |
| 20:22.16 | Mika0800 | if I do it myself, what about securitu updates? How about compatibility with the rest of the system? and what is d-i ? |
| 20:22.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 20:22.26 | asg | nerdyH: /msg dpkg status-recovery |
| 20:22.34 | goron | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.5.0-3_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 20:22.34 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.34 | goron | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 20:22.35 | goron | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 20:23.58 | goron | Did my paste come through? |
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| 20:24.40 | cahoot | Rich333: what do you mean? |
| 20:24.54 | asg | goron: yes and you know better than to do that here. |
| 20:25.15 | nerdyH | asg: that traversal of the /usr/share/doc hack thingee is brilliant! I think I'll give it a try. Thanks for your help |
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| 20:25.19 | Rich333 | cat sample.au > /dev/dsp does nothing but pause for a moment... same with /dev/audio |
| 20:25.29 | goron | asg: No, I mean the paste via http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 20:25.31 | opnsrc | I have Nautilus , how do I open a folder in a terminal? |
| 20:25.52 | cahoot | Rich333: you use OSS and not alsa I take it |
| 20:25.58 | goron | asg: And besides 5 lines is not that much. |
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| 20:25.59 | asg | nerdyH: you're welcome |
| 20:26.07 | Rich333 | yeah |
| 20:26.12 | asg | goron: 3 is our limit and we still get grumbly. |
| 20:26.23 | Eulex | ronove, the ich7 chipset should be supported by kernel 2.6.12 and upwards. for the network card see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=103405 . |
| 20:26.29 | orjan_ | I'm trying freenx (stable from the link in the factoid), I get logged on and X starts ( desktop custum) but no windowmanager. |
| 20:26.30 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.14 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 20:26.31 | goron | asg: Oh, ok. I must be mistaken with ##freebsd |
| 20:26.35 | goron | asg: I am sorry |
| 20:26.41 | asg | goron: ##freebsd doesn't have 715 people in it :) |
| 20:26.45 | cahoot | Rich333: you have unmuted? |
| 20:26.48 | abrotman | asg: 3? |
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| 20:27.14 | pureone | 306 |
| 20:27.15 | abrotman | asg: and your counter is broken |
| 20:27.30 | Rich333 | cahoot: the physical speakers are turned up... gnome's volume control won't load though |
| 20:27.30 | asg | abrotman: are we still on 4 then? |
| 20:27.36 | gberardi | I removed Subversion 1.2.3, changed my apt sources to stable, apt-get updated, and then apt-get installed subversion 1.1.4. After the install, svn --version still says it is 1.2.3. Any idea why? |
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| 20:27.40 | goron | Make up your mind ;) |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | asg: 839 apparently |
| 20:27.52 | cusco | 306 |
| 20:28.15 | abrotman | apparently the humor in ##freebsd isn't in tune with #debian |
| 20:28.22 | abrotman | or maybe it's just me ... |
| 20:28.24 | asg | abrotman: it wasn't when I was in there, no |
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| 20:29.08 | vin` | asg: he's talking about #debian. |
| 20:29.11 | cahoot | Rich333: try aumix then |
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| 20:29.45 | Mika0800 | Can SATA hard disks be used with kernels a) 2.4.27 b) 2.6.8 c) 2.6.10 ? ( I do not want anything newer than 2.6.10, bug/security fixes with no other modifications may be an exception to this rule ) |
| 20:30.05 | ronove | Eulex: So just using one of these custom installers you suggested and using the eepro100 driver? |
| 20:30.32 | Sander | Good evening.. is there someone who can help me with some quick questions? |
| 20:30.45 | gberardi | The strangest part is that I have a second machine that never had Subversion installed and used the same apt source and it was able to install the older version just fine. |
| 20:31.05 | vin` | Sander: you want help to frame questions? |
| 20:31.11 | nerdyH | asg: actually found one of the backups to be okay, so I'm all straightened out. Thanks for the help, asg. Much appreciated! |
| 20:31.42 | Sander | Well I know nothing about using linux at all and I have some trouble installing packages. I'm staring at a command prompt of which I know nothing about |
| 20:32.06 | Rich333 | cahoot: thnx... got it working |
| 20:32.11 | vin` | Sander: try aptitude |
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| 20:32.37 | Sander | I don't even know how to run that :S |
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| 20:32.57 | quitte | Sander: type the command then enter |
| 20:32.57 | vin` | Sander: apt-get install debian-reference |
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| 20:33.26 | Sander | might it be easier to get something like GNOME or KDE first? |
| 20:33.26 | vin` | !agi clue |
| 20:33.27 | dpkg | aptitude install clue |
| 20:33.47 | quitte | Sander: unless that "command prompt" says "login:" ? |
| 20:33.56 | Sander | no I'm logged in |
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| 20:34.21 | quitte | Sander: as a userß |
| 20:34.23 | Sander | I was trying to get GNOME or KDE first... how do I install that? |
| 20:34.24 | quitte | ? |
| 20:34.47 | quitte | Sander: to install packages you have to be root |
| 20:35.04 | Sander | I'm guessing I need to download specific packages I want? |
| 20:35.10 | quitte | no |
| 20:35.16 | Sander | I was looking over the ISO cd's on the site but those were 8 |
| 20:35.20 | goron | Why is that restriction on apt btw? Why do you have to everything as root? |
| 20:35.30 | Mika0800 | on the page http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/index.html there is 2.6.12 and 2.6.14 kernels for debian. But how about 2.6.10 ? Not there! |
| 20:35.32 | Sander | I didn't feel like downloading all 8 since I probably won't use 80% of it |
| 20:35.40 | SerajewelKS | goron: do you want your users installing stuff on your system? |
| 20:35.43 | quitte | Sander: try apt-setup |
| 20:35.49 | vin` | Mika0800: why the frigging 2.6.10? |
| 20:35.52 | goron | SerajewelKS: In their homedir, yes. |
| 20:35.55 | laser_tk | How I can install kde3.5 packages, I just installed debian 3.1rc1 |
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| 20:35.57 | Eulex | ronove, I think so. |
| 20:36.02 | quitte | goron: or even removing stuff from your system |
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| 20:36.04 | SerajewelKS | goron: then they can unpack the .deb with dpkg-deb |
| 20:36.06 | Sander | I don't have an internet connection working yet.. might that be a problem? |
| 20:36.07 | Mika0800 | 2.6.11 breaks compatibility... as does anything newer. |
| 20:36.08 | Rich333 | Sander: try using dselect... lists everything available for install... use '?' to bring up help, if you need it, once it's started |
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| 20:36.29 | goron | quitte: Please read what I say. Thank you |
| 20:36.35 | vin` | Mika0800: compatibility with what? .11 upto .15 works fine here. |
| 20:36.39 | goron | SerajewelKS: Ok, and then what? |
| 20:36.48 | ronove | Eulex, ok, thanks |
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| 20:36.51 | vin` | Mika0800: .10 was the crappiest of the lot. |
| 20:37.01 | SerajewelKS | goron: they use it, obviously. debian package are not meant to be installed to an arbitrary location, they are meant to be installed to /. |
| 20:37.01 | goron | SerajewelKS: Can they use the apt tools? |
| 20:37.04 | Rich333 | Sander: w/o an inet connection, you aren't going to be able to download packages to install |
| 20:37.06 | jeanjean | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.18 | SerajewelKS | goron: it is not required that a debian package be installable to /some/random/dir |
| 20:37.21 | Mika0800 | try Kylix3's integrated debugger. with 2.6.10, it works if you LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.27. with 2.6.11, even that does not help |
| 20:37.23 | Sander | I have a fast connection to download ISO's though |
| 20:37.32 | SerajewelKS | goron: hence anything that requires conf files in /etc will not work |
| 20:37.43 | Sander | I just don't htink I'm able to configure my connection in a commandprompt |
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| 20:37.52 | SerajewelKS | goron: anything that would be installable to some other directory will work fine with dpkg-deb |
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| 20:38.13 | vin` | Sander: if you're lucky it'll all just work. |
| 20:38.16 | arabian | hi all |
| 20:38.20 | moondude | Hi. |
| 20:38.23 | goron | SerajewelKS: Ok, so assuming a user is in all the necessary groups a user could install e.g. KDE? |
| 20:38.30 | SerajewelKS | goron: no |
| 20:38.34 | Sander | well I have broadband connection with a username and password |
| 20:38.51 | Mika0800 | some say that 2.6.10 is a very backwards compatible kernel. And that is a very good thing ! At the same time it includes support for a lot of new hardware. |
| 20:38.53 | Sander | couldn't get it to work during the install process |
| 20:38.54 | SerajewelKS | goron: files *need* to be owned by root, and only root can make them owned by root |
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| 20:39.02 | pjz | is there any way other than depends to get one package to install another? |
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| 20:39.22 | Eulex | Mika0800, umh, what does that debugger do? |
| 20:39.22 | goron | SerajewelKS: You are not making much sense. |
| 20:39.27 | moondude | Does the debian installer support rs232-networking via ppp? I would place the data on another Computer, or maybe it is even possible to connect to the internet via another copmputer!? |
| 20:39.41 | SerajewelKS | goron: neither are you. you want 500+ users to each have their own install of KDE? madness. |
| 20:39.49 | quitte | Sander: sounds like this is your first attempt at linux. I would recommend something that comes with a gui by default. |
| 20:39.55 | quitte | Sander: tr |
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| 20:39.58 | goron | SerajewelKS: I am not saying that. |
| 20:39.59 | Eulex | Mika0800, just a regular debugger? then try cgdb. |
| 20:40.00 | quitte | Sander: run pop |
| 20:40.02 | quitte | bah |
| 20:40.08 | Sander | pop? |
| 20:40.09 | quitte | Sander: run pppoeconf |
| 20:40.10 | SerajewelKS | goron: you're implying that it should be possible |
| 20:40.15 | Sander | ah |
| 20:40.22 | goron | SerajewelKS: True |
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| 20:40.33 | SerajewelKS | goron: either way, what is the benefit of installing a package to $HOME if it requires files in /etc |
| 20:40.38 | Mika0800 | Eulex: it lets me excute code either one source line or one assembler instruction at a time (my own choice). Very handy if something does not work to find out why not so I can fix it. |
| 20:40.50 | Sander | if I manage to install either GNOME or KDE will it be impossible to start getting familiar with linux by Debian? |
| 20:40.51 | __filip_ | My sound dont work but i know that i should run somthing like "alsa-something" to get it work. What is the command? |
| 20:40.53 | SerajewelKS | goron: and for packages that don't require files in weird directories, what is wrong with dpkg-deb |
| 20:41.01 | Eulex | Mika0800, as I said, try cgdb instead. |
| 20:41.02 | moondude | Can I instasll Debian via Floppy/Rs-232 ?? |
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| 20:41.21 | quitte | Sander: no. it'd be possible even withou a gui. |
| 20:41.29 | Sander | I see |
| 20:41.30 | SerajewelKS | goron: it makes more sense if you look at apt is the tool for managing global installations. apt, and debian packages, are not intended to be installed in anything other than / |
| 20:41.38 | Sander | well so I'll try to work my internet connection |
| 20:41.38 | goron | SerajewelKS: For packages that require something in /etc/ sure, that would make no sense. |
| 20:41.46 | Sander | then download a KDE package? |
| 20:41.51 | phanter | hello. I get the error #2002 The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured). What should I do? |
| 20:41.54 | SerajewelKS | goron: how about libs? |
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| 20:42.19 | goron | SerajewelKS: Good security question. I don't know. |
| 20:42.20 | Mika0800 | Eulex: is there any way to modify cgdb or install some kind of add-on module to it? I'd like to enter, for example: "MyVariable" but want cgdb treat it as "MYVARIABLE" ? |
| 20:42.24 | SerajewelKS | goron: get the picture? anything that *would* work with apt (e.g. simple binaries, documentation) will install just fine with dpkg-deb |
| 20:42.25 | quitte | Sander: first of all get internet working. Im impressed by your will. i#ll do some handholding tonight. |
| 20:42.39 | moondude | Is it possible to install debian via Floppy/RS-232? No Idea? |
| 20:42.40 | goron | SerajewelKS: Depends on whether the lib is already installed on the main system, I guess. |
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| 20:42.45 | vin` | goron: klik may do what you want far in the future. |
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| 20:42.52 | SerajewelKS | goron: right, and then you don't need your own copy. |
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| 20:43.06 | Eulex | Mika0800, well, C is a case-sensitive language. the problem is not in the debugger. |
| 20:43.07 | SerajewelKS | goron: and tricking an app into using a lib in $HOME/lib requires some environment tweaking |
| 20:43.09 | goron | SerajewelKS: And that is a computable function. |
| 20:43.12 | orjan_ | I'm trying freenx (debian stable), I get logged on and X starts ( desktop custum) but no windowmanager. What to do? |
| 20:43.13 | Mika0800 | moondude: do you really have a machine with no CD-ROM and no network card ? |
| 20:43.14 | Sander | I'm connected through a router and need to log in at start up to my ISP.. it's a cable connection... will that be too hard to install? |
| 20:43.27 | SerajewelKS | goron: so again it's going to be as much a PITA with dpkg-deb as apt |
| 20:43.30 | moondude | Mika0800: Yea, T560 thinkpad |
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| 20:44.04 | quitte | Sander: so it's not pppoe? |
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| 20:44.14 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:44.14 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:44.23 | Sander | yes it's pppoe |
| 20:44.24 | phanter | how can I check if my mysql server is running? |
| 20:44.27 | moondude | And i really really need some Linux, that can be installed via Floppy/RS-232. I usually work on sarge with x86 machines |
| 20:44.38 | asg | phanter: mysqladmin status |
| 20:44.40 | quitte | Sander: then run pppoeconf and go through the menus |
| 20:44.42 | Sander | it's just not a permanent connection... I do have to log in when I want to connect to the internet |
| 20:44.54 | Mika0800 | I am not using C and I don't want to. So, if it is originally a debugger for C, it needs additional module for other languages. otherwise it is a pain to use, compared to Kylix. There I can just click with a mouse to any identifier in source file and press ctrl-F4 .... and it will nicely show/let me modify a variable... and there's more... |
| 20:45.04 | mcgreg | Sander: get a router |
| 20:45.10 | Sander | I have a router |
| 20:45.11 | quitte | Sander: yes - just like everybodys pppoe basically |
| 20:45.29 | Sander | I'll go mess around and try to get it to work.. I'm sure I'll be back :) |
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| 20:45.33 | mcgreg | Sander: so what? connection via dchp tzo router an voilla... |
| 20:45.36 | quitte | Sander: is your router configured to login to your isp itself? |
| 20:45.37 | Sander | thanks for all the help up to here! |
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| 20:46.04 | Sander | I have no idea if it's possible to let the router log in to the ISP? |
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| 20:46.13 | simonrvn | how about up to here? :P |
| 20:46.19 | quitte | Sander: ok so you are using it as a modem in windows? |
| 20:46.25 | simonrvn | j/k |
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| 20:46.36 | moondude | thx anyway.. |
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| 20:46.52 | quitte | Sander: run pppoeconf. |
| 20:46.57 | Sander | well I'm not a network specialist but I'll try to explain |
| 20:46.59 | Mika0800 | moondude: here's a hint: at least Philips has external CD-RW drives with LPT1 -conection. Newer models of course use USB instead. That older one is 6x read, 2x write. Works even with a 486, but then wite is only 1x, as 486's (even 100 MHz) is not fast enough to do 2x CD-writes.,.. |
| 20:47.00 | phanter | How do I start mysql? |
| 20:47.07 | asg | phanter: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:47.22 | Sander | the cable modem is connected to the router... then 2 PCs are connected to the router and both log in with a username and pass when they want to connect to the net |
| 20:47.23 | quitte | Sander: no! try to run pppoeconf and tell me how it is not what you wanted |
| 20:47.27 | Eulex | Mika0800, cgdb is a curses frontend to gdb. http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/gdb.html and http://cgdb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:47.29 | Rich333 | anyone know how to change kernel module load ordering on 2.6? I can't seem to find any docs explaining how to do so on debian with google, and man'ing around my box hasn't turned up any clear answers... I tried editing the modules.dep to put things in the right order, but that didn't seem to do anything... drm radeon driver is loading before agpgart, so HW accel isn't working |
| 20:47.33 | quitte | Sander: ok. |
| 20:47.39 | Sander | alright I will... I'll be back soon I think, thanks! |
| 20:47.43 | quitte | Sander i have no idea how that works |
| 20:47.55 | Sander | I'll try and explain if it still won't work |
| 20:47.59 | Sander | be back in a bit |
| 20:48.03 | quitte | Sander: i doubt pppoe is what you want to configure there |
| 20:48.25 | quitte | Sander: can both connect at the same time? |
| 20:48.27 | Sander | I'll try anyway... in windows it's called pppoe so I guess that's it |
| 20:48.29 | Sander | yes |
| 20:48.31 | Mika0800 | Eulex: does that mean that it should be possible tio write a GUI frontend to that same, and include an option which, if switched on, will force everything all-uppercase ? |
| 20:48.35 | quitte | weird |
| 20:48.39 | quitte | ok try. |
| 20:48.39 | phanter | asg, it says "command not found"... but mysql is installed (via apt-get) |
| 20:48.44 | simonrvn | Rich333: /etc/modules |
| 20:48.44 | Sander | brb |
| 20:48.50 | Eulex | Mika0800, there already is. chek out insight. but who needs a gui? |
| 20:48.50 | asg | phanter: mysql is installed but is mysql-server installed? |
| 20:48.52 | b4ck3r | somebody know how is the pam configuration file for su, that solve this problem |
| 20:48.53 | b4ck3r | You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced) |
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| 20:49.19 | Mika0800 | That is, btw, the solution the FreePascal team used to make their program compatible with those C only -tools. Objectpascal is not case-sensitive. |
| 20:49.28 | caronsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.33 | phanter | asg, Sometimes I am just such a moron... I should die of shame... right now :-( |
| 20:49.36 | gberardi | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1627 More details |
| 20:49.39 | phanter | asg, thanks :-) |
| 20:49.56 | asg | phanter: it's an easy mistake. Debian likes to separate as much functionality into packages as possible. |
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| 20:50.17 | phanter | asg, and that is a good thing. If you do not need it... do not install it ! |
| 20:50.22 | asg | phanter: quite right |
| 20:50.32 | Rich333 | simonrvn: thnx, but that doesn't control module load ordering |
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| 20:50.37 | merak | yea but installing everything is fun |
| 20:50.40 | caronsd | the weirdiest thing is that if i change the mac address on my linux server, to the one associated with the cable modem (from the windows box) i can an ipaddress at once? |
| 20:50.42 | Mika0800 | Eulex: if I'm debugging a GUI app, wouldn't it be a good idea to also use a GUI debugger? unless you run that textmode debugger using a remote PC as the display and kbd ... ? |
| 20:50.49 | Eulex | Mika0800, then the freepascal compiler should output upper-cased variable names and such. |
| 20:50.52 | asg | merak: and impossible since many things conflict |
| 20:51.07 | goron | I have tried all the force options, but still the update won't succeed: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1628 |
| 20:51.24 | goron | I didn't use the equivs package, but besides that I tried everything. |
| 20:51.32 | Eulex | Mika0800, into the debugging info, that is. |
| 20:51.53 | goron | Could anyone look into it? |
| 20:51.56 | asg | goron: what version of debian? |
| 20:52.06 | Mika0800 | caronsd: I don't know. I use a hardware NAT wirewall, and it's integrated DHCP server will serve both windows and linux PC's with no problem. Nowadays you can buy even molels with integrated WLAN -basestation under 40 EUR. |
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| 20:52.28 | goron | asg: Unstable |
| 20:52.43 | asg | goron: then check the bts. put the package on hold until its fixed |
| 20:52.58 | merak | !tell goron about bts |
| 20:53.08 | goron | merak: I know about bts |
| 20:53.14 | Eulex | Mika0800, I never found any reason to use a gui while debugging. cgdb is very controlable through the curses interface. |
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| 20:53.44 | goron | asg: Ok, so I put every package on hold. How do I put one package on "hold"? |
| 20:53.48 | simonrvn | Rich333: yes it does, when you put one before the other ... |
| 20:54.07 | caronsd | Mika0800: Well, the thing is that i have a seperate switch (where all my servers go) that has an uplink to the cable modem (it only has one rj-45 entry)... |
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| 20:54.40 | caronsd | Mika0800: I got an ipaddress at once if i change the mac address on the linux server, to the one on my windows machine.. |
| 20:54.42 | asg | goron: just put the package that is causing things to break on hold. /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:54.43 | mhall | how do i search package DB for all packages matching some tag |
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| 20:54.51 | Mika0800 | Eulex: the Freepascal compiler already uppercases all variable names when generating debug info -files (.map or something like that). But the sourc ecode, of course, is not case sensitive. I think those who use it today, therefore, can not just point and click a var name, but needs to retype it with capslock on. And I was thinking there must be a better way to do it by automating that uppercasing also whan using the debugger. But maybe the curren |
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| 20:55.25 | FarrisG | Can anyone help me out with this error I'm getting from openssh? "error: openpty: No such file or directory" |
| 20:55.37 | Eulex | Mika0800, I have never tried debugging pascal code with cgdb, and therefore I don't know how it would work. you could just try installing it and invoking a compiled pascal program with debugging info with it. |
| 20:55.41 | Rich333 | simonrvn: that isn't the case on my box |
| 20:56.04 | gberardi | FarrisG: what is the command you're running exactly? |
| 20:56.06 | simonrvn | uh, right. |
| 20:56.06 | m1ke_l | what is the key combo to enlarge/shrink X? |
| 20:56.10 | m1ke_l | ctl atl -? |
| 20:56.14 | m1ke_l | i'd hate to hit the wrong thing |
| 20:56.23 | hackeron | trying to install horde on debian stable, I created a symlink and tried to use an alias of /horde to /usr/share/horde3 but when I point the browser to "/horde", it says the url "/horde/horde3/login.php" cannot be found. Any ideas? |
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| 20:56.31 | FarrisG | gberardi: I'm not running a command, I get that error in my log on sshd whenever a user logs in |
| 20:56.37 | Mika0800 | caronsd: Oh yeah! "I got an ipaddress at once if i change the mac address on the linux server, to the one on my windows machine" - this proves it! The best solution: purchase a hardware NAT firewall, and clone your windows PC's MAC to the WAN connector's MAC of the firewall unit. At least D-LINK DI-604 lets you do that. And, it is about the cheapest there is... |
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| 20:57.00 | asg | merak: ctrl-alt-keypad(+ or -) |
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| 20:57.35 | mhall | !maint sbcl |
| 20:57.41 | dpkg | sbcl: Peter Van Eynde <pvaneynd@debian.org> |
| 20:58.09 | Mika0800 | Eulex: Maybe I will switch to FreePascal in the future. But I'd like to continue to use Kylix instead as long as possible.... It has all in one.... But the latest Kylix is from 2002. And Borland is not going to provide an update. |
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| 20:58.23 | goron | asg: And what is the inverse of hold? install, deinstall or purge. |
| 20:58.30 | goron | asg: install? |
| 20:58.31 | m1ke_l | crappp...now its huge and wont shrink! |
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| 20:59.32 | sephinrodt | dear chatfriends i am back and i want to teach you how to chat more interesting |
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| 21:00.18 | mhall | sephinrodt: i'm not sure i want to learn how to troll |
| 21:00.23 | Eulex | Mika0800, well, you're problem is that you're relying on proprietary software. if the company stops supporting it, you get into exactly the same situation as you have gotten. |
| 21:00.24 | mhall | sephinrodt: i'm already pretty good at it |
| 21:00.25 | gberardi | FarrisG: It seems to be a problem with missing pty's. Apparently you can boot with the kernel option: devfs=mount' http://ole.tange.dk/linux/problemer/linux-problemer.html or you'll need to recompile your kernel: http://www.patoche.org/LTT/kernel/00000172.html |
| 21:00.27 | Eulex | *your |
| 21:00.29 | Mika0800 | Either they did not sell enough copies of Kylix or then the fact that MS ownd 10% of Borland lets MS tell Borland not to continue developing Linux tools. You know, if there was a Kylix -like tool for Linux that is up to date even with newest disro's, that might be a serious threat to Microsoft.... |
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| 21:00.55 | thoron | How can I define multiple IP-addresses for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:01.05 | Rich333 | simonrvn: sry, I think you were right... the file had a '-' instead of a '_' in a module name... thnx for the help |
| 21:01.29 | mhall | thoron: man interfaces explains |
| 21:01.42 | Mika0800 | The FreePascal team is doing something just to get around that. But think about this: on the Windows platform I can use Delphi (also from Borland) with no problems at all. Why is it so difficult combining commercial products and linux ? |
| 21:01.45 | mhall | thoron: in principle there are two ways; the common way is borrowed from... solaris |
| 21:01.57 | mhall | thoron: you have these virtual ethernet interfaces such as eth0:1 |
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| 21:02.14 | cisse | thoron: alias's |
| 21:02.30 | mhall | thoron: and if you just declare them in the file they'll get brought up and they will act like separate entities but get written out onto the right ethernet card for you |
| 21:03.15 | Mika0800 | I just Expect that FreePascal in 2010 is going to be much better than FreePascal right now. Continuing to use Kylix meanwhile will buy me more time.... |
| 21:03.28 | sephinrodt | does anybody wants me to be hid teacher? |
| 21:03.28 | sephinrodt | oh, boys come on |
| 21:03.28 | sephinrodt | helloooooooooooo |
| 21:03.36 | simonrvn | RinzeWind: ok |
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| 21:04.17 | simonrvn | RinzeWind: woops, was meant for the now gone Rich333 (with the borked nss) |
| 21:04.26 | moa3 | hello evrybody |
| 21:04.33 | simonrvn | sephinrodt: whatever you're smoking, stop |
| 21:04.33 | csalad | hy all |
| 21:04.43 | csalad | i can't join the kopete! |
| 21:04.45 | Mika0800 | btw: the name FreePascal is somewhat a misnomer. It's like calling C++ the A -language would be. It should really be FreeObjectpascal.... |
| 21:04.46 | csalad | why? |
| 21:04.55 | csalad | but i can join in gaim! |
| 21:05.00 | csalad | i want use the kopete |
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| 21:05.04 | orjan_ | I'm trying freenx (debian stable), I get logged on and X starts ( desktop custom) but no windowmanager. What to do? |
| 21:05.10 | shad0w1e | how do i enable ip forwarding by default? |
| 21:05.13 | abrotman | csalad: for IRC? |
| 21:05.21 | simonrvn | !ip_forward |
| 21:05.23 | goron | asg: I put every package that gave an error on hold, but LANG=C aptitude -f install still gives me the same error (for a package I already put on hold) |
| 21:05.25 | csalad | no |
| 21:05.29 | csalad | for msn |
| 21:05.36 | shad0w1e | !ip_forward |
| 21:05.37 | disposable | hi, i'm getting ready for a hardware exam tomorrow. i understand how double data rate works (uses rising and falling edge of a cycle). but how the hell do you get quad pumping? google doesn't tell much. |
| 21:05.39 | abrotman | well .. FFS .. ask #kopete or something |
| 21:05.43 | simonrvn | feck |
| 21:05.43 | abrotman | and stop using MSN |
| 21:05.45 | shad0w1e | !ip_forwarding |
| 21:05.47 | csalad | ahhh |
| 21:05.48 | csalad | thx |
| 21:05.54 | simonrvn | !ip forward |
| 21:05.57 | Sander-nl | well configuring my connection didn't work |
| 21:06.03 | goron | disposable: #hardware |
| 21:06.09 | simonrvn | !lisykeys forward |
| 21:06.13 | simonrvn | !listkeys forward |
| 21:06.14 | thoron | /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces doesn't exists even it's referenced on interfaces(5), isn't that a bug? |
| 21:06.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'forward' by key (15): .forward ;; ssh-port-forward ;; x forwarding ;; #debian ip_forward ;; ssh x11 forwarding ;; port forward ;; _default ssh x11 forwarding ;; forwardslash ;; ip forwarders ;; gforward ;; ip_forward ;; ip forwarding ;; _default ip forwarding ;; port forwarding ;; squid forwarding. |
| 21:06.22 | disposable | goron: i was afraid someone would say that :) |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | !ip_forward |
| 21:06.30 | Sander-nl | Is there anyway to download KDE somewhere and install it from a CD or something without an internet connection>? |
| 21:06.37 | simonrvn | ... doh! -ing |
| 21:06.42 | abrotman | still doesn't work |
| 21:06.45 | simonrvn | !ip forwarding |
| 21:06.46 | dpkg | somebody said ip forwarding was enabled by "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". Insert that line to the boot scripts so it's done every time the system is booted, or in debian, edit /etc/network/options and add (or change) ip_forward=yes, or dnsmaaq and ipmasq seem to have to be installed, try that if it dont just work. |
| 21:07.00 | shad0w1e | yay! thanks! |
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| 21:07.06 | Mika0800 | I also think that Quadruple rate must be just a marketing hype. If you're already using both rising and falling edges of the clock line, then there are only 2 ways to increase speed: either rise the Clock MHz or double the bus width.... |
| 21:07.09 | Eulex | Mika0800, the problem is that the libraries included on the linux distributions and the kernels aren't a homogenous mass, and they are in constant movement, and thus can't all be supported with one binary. for a program to work optimally on linux, the vendor has to provide source, or at least source for the parts that 'interact' with the libraries on the system, and especially the kernel, as those tend to break backwards-compatibility pretty often. |
| 21:07.14 | sephinrodt | simonrvn: i will ;) |
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| 21:07.21 | quitte | Sander-nl: you could download the debian cds, yes. |
| 21:07.23 | shad0w1e | I needed the second half of that, bec I knew how to enable it every time but i wanted to have it changed every time at boot |
| 21:07.28 | simonrvn | um, /etc/network/options is dead for sid. should use sysctl for that |
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| 21:07.33 | Sander-nl | cds? |
| 21:07.35 | simonrvn | etch too |
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| 21:07.50 | quitte | Sander-nl: but you#d still havve the problem of internet not working |
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| 21:08.10 | Sander-nl | wel yeah but I have no clue atm how to get that working... do you mind if I explain it in a PM? |
| 21:08.26 | simonrvn | !ip forwarding is also in sid use sysctl and /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:08.27 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 21:08.38 | Mika0800 | At least my own binaries (compiled with Kylix3) will work even with 2.6.10 kernel, and probably 2.6.12 as well. And that Kylix3 is from 2002, the recommended distro tu run Kylix 3 on is Red Hat 7.2 or Mandrake or SuSe of the same time as RH 7.2 |
| 21:08.38 | quitte | Sander-nl: if you told me manufacturer and model of your router im sure i could find the info with google that i need to know how to connect to the net with your isp |
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| 21:08.59 | Sander-nl | linksys..let me find the type |
| 21:09.03 | quitte | Sander-nl: you#ve been msging me anyways. |
| 21:09.20 | osdebian | is sid the latest stable release and etch is the testing distro? |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | kspath: that sucks |
| 21:09.28 | Sander-nl | yes |
| 21:09.39 | simonrvn | osdebian: no, sid is unstable |
| 21:09.40 | ronove | do I need to install sth special to use 64bits processor instead of 32bits? |
| 21:09.45 | Sander-nl | Linksys BEFSR41v3 |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:09.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:09.51 | Mika0800 | The only modification needed for some new distros is applying Simon Kissel's execshield patch to all kylix -compiled binaries (or including his unit for the same purpose, which essentially does the same, but does the patching at runtime) |
| 21:09.53 | quitte | simonrvn: i'd rather nedd a compressor to blow my keyboard |
| 21:10.03 | kspath | !mhaulsmite intel |
| 21:10.12 | osdebian | simonrvn: ok, but etch is testing? |
| 21:10.19 | mhall | kspath: helps if you spell it right :-) |
| 21:10.21 | simonrvn | heh, ok. don't have one though. i just take them apart and do it manually |
| 21:10.23 | mhall | !mhallsmite Intel |
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| 21:10.26 | abrotman | kspath: yes |
| 21:10.29 | simonrvn | osdebian: yes |
| 21:10.31 | pipeline | Mika0800: Given how few distributions ship GTK 1.2 out of the box, discussions of kylix are null and void. Your kylix apps will look like shit on end-user systems :| |
| 21:10.44 | ronove | abrotman: intel, not amd. |
| 21:10.48 | mhall | Mika0800: spread spectrum clock? |
| 21:10.52 | zulu42 | !debian fr |
| 21:10.54 | kspath | mhall: there is a reason I spelled it that way. I was implying it, rather than doing it |
| 21:10.58 | abrotman | ronove: is it itanium ? |
| 21:11.09 | zulu42 | where is the french debian channel? |
| 21:11.11 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:11.12 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:11.16 | zulu42 | thx |
| 21:11.29 | kspath | merde! |
| 21:11.44 | Mika0800 | Kylix apps will run with newer distros/kernels/GTK's too. In fact, Kylix GUI apps use QT2. Is there some connection between QT and GTK ? |
| 21:11.48 | bleaked | le ribbit |
| 21:11.54 | SimonRaven | fucké ben raide |
| 21:11.55 | tarzeau | Mika0800: no |
| 21:12.12 | SimonRaven | gtg |
| 21:12.17 | tarzeau | Mika0800: qt is ugly. and gtk is ugly too, that's about the only connection i can see |
| 21:12.20 | goron | Mika0800: You could better write a Pascal interpreter in some well supported language... |
| 21:12.29 | Mika0800 | for some odd reason Kylix installer checks for GTK 1.2 or newer. BUt that is no problem. |
| 21:12.34 | ronove | abrotman: wha? I don't know.. only thing I know is that suse told me that I have a nice computer and that I was installing a 32bits system onto a 64bits processor |
| 21:12.50 | pipeline | ronove: And that's fine. |
| 21:12.56 | pipeline | ronove: You're usually better off running 32 bit. |
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| 21:13.10 | pipeline | ronove: Unless you have an Itanium. Itanium are deadly slow. |
| 21:13.14 | pipeline | Mika0800: QT2 is also obsolete. |
| 21:13.15 | abrotman | ronove: if it's intel's EM64T .. it's AMD64 |
| 21:13.27 | ronove | abrotman, oh, ok :) |
| 21:13.29 | quitte | Sander-nl: seems this is actually a router and not a modem.it has some web frontend,right? |
| 21:13.33 | Mika0800 | goron: Why would I duplicate what the FreePascal team is doing... or even worse, since FreePascal is not an interpreter but a compiler. So the resulting app runs a lot faster. |
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| 21:13.47 | pipeline | ronove, abrotman : If he has an Itanium, and he installs an x86 OS, it will be horribly slow :( |
| 21:13.51 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 21:13.51 | dpkg | somebody said em64t was Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 21:13.53 | Mika0800 | pipeline: As long as the apps run, no problem. |
| 21:14.02 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm aware of this .. but you'd think he knew if it was itanium |
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| 21:14.18 | abrotman | pipeline: i mean .. i'd know if i dropped 10k on a computer :) |
| 21:14.22 | pipeline | Mika0800: Qt2 is another one of those things that's not likely to be installed on end-user systems. As such, you'll have to statically link it. And then it will look like crap. It'll be the same jarring user experience :( |
| 21:14.23 | Eulex | ronove, you will probably miss flash and java on amd64, if it's supposed to be a desktop box. |
| 21:14.30 | pipeline | abrotman: You can get an I2 system for about 2k now :P |
| 21:14.30 | abrotman | they have java for amd64 now |
| 21:14.44 | ronove | Eulex, oh.. =( |
| 21:14.52 | Eulex | abrotman, they do? /me feels out-dated |
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| 21:14.59 | abrotman | pipeline: i haven't seen one .. though i'm not looking for a paperweight either :) |
| 21:15.14 | abrotman | Eulex: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp |
| 21:15.17 | pipeline | abrotman: Bah humbug. They're pretty goddamn fast. And if I had the money, I'd probably get one. |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | pipeline: i'd rather get anything else :) |
| 21:15.36 | Sander-nl | quitte: yes it is a router |
| 21:15.43 | pipeline | abrotman: If I had $2,000 to throw away on a computer, it really would be a pretty close match between a 2-way opteron and a 2-way itanium. |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | pipeline: who still sells Itanium machines ? |
| 21:15.47 | goron | How can I tell apt to remove libdjvulibre15? |
| 21:15.53 | quitte | Sander-nl: ok. and it has a webfrontend? |
| 21:15.56 | pipeline | abrotman: The only Itanium vendor is HP. |
| 21:15.58 | goron | I am getting all kinds of circular dependencies. |
| 21:16.07 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, there are a few others, but they're all tiny. The only /significant/ itanium vendor is HP. |
| 21:16.11 | abrotman | pipeline: but they pulled thier engineers(and last i knew .. SGI still sold them) |
| 21:16.19 | Sander-nl | I have a cable modem that's connected to the router..... then 2 PCs connect to the router and connect with a username and password to my ISP |
| 21:16.22 | sifi-xz | is it possible to art-of-the-state classify high end goods/services? |
| 21:16.28 | Eulex | abrotman, oh, cool |
| 21:16.31 | pipeline | abrotman: Sun or HP sells more UNIX in a week than SGI does in a year :P |
| 21:16.36 | abrotman | pipeline: i can't find them on HP's site |
| 21:16.48 | quitte | Sander-nl: you can configure it with a browser? |
| 21:16.53 | abrotman | pipeline: i can only find PARISC and Alpha |
| 21:16.55 | pipeline | abrotman: The workstations can only be bought refurbished, as that line has been discontinued. |
| 21:17.04 | pipeline | abrotman: uh, what? Buying Alpha or PA-RISC from HP is very difficult :P |
| 21:17.06 | abrotman | pipeline: right .. so .. where do i buy one again ? |
| 21:17.13 | pipeline | abrotman: http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/ |
| 21:17.17 | mhall | pipeline: but sgi is high on the top 500 |
| 21:17.18 | pipeline | abrotman: That would be the server line. |
| 21:17.22 | abrotman | pipeline: workstation .. not server :) |
| 21:17.26 | mhall | pipeline: sometimes you have to pay to play |
| 21:17.27 | pipeline | mhall: So what? The company is tottering on the edge of bankruptcy. |
| 21:17.31 | pipeline | mhall: Nobody's paying. |
| 21:17.34 | mhall | pipeline: hehe |
| 21:17.43 | mhall | pipeline: part of the problem is itanic i suppose |
| 21:17.46 | Mika0800 | pipelink: in fact it is impossible to do that. Instead, kylix GUI apps use libborqt-6.9.0-qt2.3.so library. |
| 21:17.46 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, that's under "HP Renew", their refurbished program. |
| 21:17.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:17.58 | abrotman | noone wants one! |
| 21:18.02 | pipeline | mhall: It's not just the up-front cost. SGI is heinously overpriced at every juncture. |
| 21:18.09 | abrotman | pipeline: not exactly 2,000 .. http://www.storejrt.com/prismdeskside_bundles.html |
| 21:18.12 | sifi-xz | anyone? is it possible to art-of-the-state classify high end goods/services? |
| 21:18.15 | pipeline | abrotman: Itanium 2 beats the living hell out of every other processor available. |
| 21:18.17 | Sander-nl | quitte: yes you can configre it through a browser |
| 21:18.28 | Sander-nl | I was just trying to remember the pass to use |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | pipeline: apparently they're either too expensive .. or they suck .. noone buys them |
| 21:18.35 | pipeline | abrotman: The HP units are ~2k. The SGI systems are vastly more powerful. Part of the reason for the markup is that they're binary compatible with IRIX/MIPS. |
| 21:18.47 | pipeline | abrotman: SGI systems are indeed expensive and unsaleable. HP is doing OK with Itanium. |
| 21:18.56 | Daedalus_ | pipeline: The compiler sucks though. |
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| 21:19.02 | pipeline | abrotman: The reason HP discontinued their workstation line is that nobody is buying UNIX workstations in general. |
| 21:19.04 | pipeline | Daedalus_: SPEC disagrees :P |
| 21:19.08 | quitte | Sander-nl: ok. so you should use the router to connect to the net and use that connection from the other machines with dhcp |
| 21:19.14 | mhall | pipeline: but... you can buy 1000 times the opterons for the same price |
| 21:19.16 | quitte | Sander-nl: maybe that already works |
| 21:19.16 | abrotman | pipeline: they're doing so well that they've pulled thier engineers from working on itanium :) |
| 21:19.25 | tarzeau | pity greycat is not here, he could tell nice tales about HP |
| 21:19.27 | quitte | Sander-nl: try this: dhclient eth0 |
| 21:19.37 | tarzeau | and their number one UNIX |
| 21:19.39 | pipeline | abrotman: Itanium is an Intel product. The objective of the Itanium project, from day one, was to end processor development at HP. |
| 21:19.49 | Daedalus_ | pipeline: The fat benchmarks that Itanium got usually revolved around tight hand-coded loops. |
| 21:19.53 | pipeline | abrotman: The idea, in 1993, was to transfer the dev costs to someone else. |
| 21:19.55 | sifi-xz | high end is the generally the best and state-of-the-art is being the highest level of development, so is it possible to art-of-the-state classify high end goods/services? |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | i still can't find an HP itanium workstation |
| 21:19.58 | pipeline | Daedalus_: SPEC doesn't work that way, bud. |
| 21:20.05 | pipeline | abrotman: I told you, they're only available refurbished. |
| 21:20.07 | Daedalus_ | pipeline: Nope. It doesn. |
| 21:20.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: you really want one? |
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| 21:20.15 | abrotman | pipeline: i realize that .. i can't find that on thier site :) |
| 21:20.23 | pipeline | abrotman: http://h40046.www4.hp.com/ |
| 21:20.23 | Daedalus_ | pipeline: But I stand by my statement. |
| 21:20.31 | Sander-nl | quitte: do I need to connect the router permanently with my username and pass you mean? |
| 21:20.36 | pipeline | Daedalus_: The benchmarks on which Itanium stomps the competition are SPEC. |
| 21:20.40 | pipeline | Daedalus_: SPEC does not allow handcoded anything. |
| 21:20.46 | abrotman | pipeline: i think i wandered to it .. |
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| 21:20.56 | haqa | goron: what are you trying to do?? |
| 21:20.58 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't think itanium wins anymore .. |
| 21:20.59 | quitte | Sander-nl: msg |
| 21:20.59 | blondie | hello |
| 21:21.12 | goron | haqa: I was trying to update my whole system. |
| 21:21.36 | haqa | goron: are you using apt-get ? |
| 21:21.37 | Sander-nl | quitte: msg? |
| 21:21.39 | goron | haqa: Like the "it only takes one command to update the system"-credo. |
| 21:22.06 | goron | haqa: I am using aptitude which is the current suggested tool. I also tried apt |
| 21:22.12 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, it certainly does on price performance. The only things that can beat it on UP/DP performance is the very highest-end POWER5 systems. And those run about 100k for the stripped configurations. |
| 21:22.12 | quitte | Sander-nl: pm |
| 21:22.19 | abrotman | and i still can't find any itanium in the refurb section |
| 21:22.23 | azeem | goron: from where to where are you upgrading? |
| 21:22.33 | abrotman | pipeline: noone sells them! :) |
| 21:22.43 | pipeline | abrotman: HP sells tons of them :P |
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| 21:23.03 | abrotman | pipeline: yeah .. so many you can't buy one |
| 21:23.07 | pipeline | abrotman: ... |
| 21:23.18 | pipeline | abrotman: "HP Integrity" is /all/ itanium. |
| 21:23.22 | haqa | goron: better use a simple: apt-get upgrade... |
| 21:23.23 | opnsrc | I have Nautilus , how do I open a folder in a terminal? |
| 21:23.26 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't want a server |
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| 21:23.40 | opnsrc | It's Gnome. I was wondering how can I add an option to open a folder in a terminal |
| 21:23.43 | goron | azeem: Just from Unstable to Unstable. |
| 21:23.50 | goron | haqa: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1629 |
| 21:23.51 | abrotman | pipeline: and they don't have anything else in the refurb that i see |
| 21:23.58 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, the workstations were discontinued more than a year ago. And it looks like they're out of stock in the refurbished section. http://invtoday.bbndirht.external.hp.com/invtoday/it/inventory/category?categoryId=20114 |
| 21:24.01 | goron | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1629 |
| 21:24.06 | pipeline | abrotman: They're listed, but all at qty. 0 |
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| 21:24.12 | pebkac | asg: still there? |
| 21:24.13 | cisse | why would you buy an itanium ? |
| 21:24.17 | abrotman | heh .. NOONE SELLS THEM! :) |
| 21:24.32 | cisse | cause they're awful ? |
| 21:24.41 | pipeline | abrotman: Try to buy a workstation from anyone :p |
| 21:24.43 | metalhedd | Does anyone know if Ubuntu and Debian use the exact same init system? I'm having problems getting a couple of things to start at boot and the graphical config tools are no help |
| 21:24.44 | starfishy | itanic |
| 21:24.52 | abrotman | pipeline: at least i can get one from HP/Sun |
| 21:24.55 | pipeline | cisse: We just had this flame war. They're actually quite good. |
| 21:25.04 | EdLin | cisse: floating point performance |
| 21:25.09 | starfishy | metalhedd: you might want to ask #ubuntu |
| 21:25.14 | pipeline | abrotman: hahah. Have you actually tried to buy a workstation from HP? Their PA-RISC products are so far back on the back burner, you practically have to buy them at gunpoint. |
| 21:25.18 | metalhedd | starfishy, I did. no help |
| 21:25.19 | abrotman | cisse: to get locked into a dead architecture :) |
| 21:25.27 | starfishy | then you probably are SOL |
| 21:25.29 | cisse | lol |
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| 21:25.33 | cisse | edline: eh it's not that impressive |
| 21:25.34 | abrotman | pipeline: i would buy an alpha .. but i've found them |
| 21:25.37 | pipeline | abrotman: And if you want to talk about suck, jesus christ, my 1000$ PC from a few years ago beats the living hell out of any USIII workstation. |
| 21:25.38 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 21:25.38 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:25.42 | pipeline | abrotman: You can't buy an Alpha, either. |
| 21:25.43 | cisse | the poor cache design really murders any real owrld performance |
| 21:25.56 | pipeline | abrotman: Unless you're an existing customer, with an active support contract, they just won't sell them to you. |
| 21:25.56 | goron | haqa: Do you have any clue of how to fix it? |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | pipeline: i believe you can for about another year |
| 21:26.02 | mhall | pipeline: yeah anybody sensible would buy a dual Opteron |
| 21:26.08 | haqa | goron: apt-get -f install would be the first try... |
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| 21:26.12 | metalhedd | starfishy, thanks but no thanks. its a simple problem if gdm not starting at boot, if you're not going to offer anything useful why not stay quiet? |
| 21:26.12 | mhall | pipeline: or possibly P4 4 ghz |
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| 21:26.19 | sylvisj | Lol @ P4 |
| 21:26.22 | pipeline | mhall: P4 is a joke. Plain and simple. |
| 21:26.29 | mhall | it works fine |
| 21:26.30 | pipeline | mhall: You would have to be insane to buy an SMP Pentium system. |
| 21:26.30 | goron | haqa: already did that |
| 21:26.35 | starfishy | metalhedd: because every day several people come in here expecting Ubuntu support |
| 21:26.39 | mhall | pipeline: i didn't say SMP |
| 21:26.39 | sylvisj | You would be insane to buy a P4 system in any case |
| 21:26.41 | pipeline | mhall: The UP performance is fine. SMP is shit. |
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| 21:26.43 | Steven_6040 | is there any way to search packages using apt-get, i've read the man page but cant see any |
| 21:26.47 | Tourinho | hello all |
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| 21:26.51 | pipeline | mhall: Wake up and smell the coffee: Technical workstations are multiprocessor. |
| 21:26.58 | mhall | pipeline: if you want SMP get a Sun Opteron box |
| 21:27.00 | sylvisj | Steven_6040: apt-cache search <blah> |
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| 21:27.02 | mhall | pipeline: or an HP one |
| 21:27.03 | starfishy | i might have something useful to offer but not to someone who just goes out of his way to be rude |
| 21:27.06 | Steven_6040 | sylvisj, thanks |
| 21:27.11 | sylvisj | mhall: or build your own. |
| 21:27.17 | mhall | sylvisj: yeah that too |
| 21:28.08 | goron | haqa: All my problems would be solved if I would be able to get rid of libdjvulibre15. |
| 21:28.08 | mhall | sylvisj: it's the first thing i'll do when i get out of college and get a job actually |
| 21:28.08 | goron | I need a sledge hammer! |
| 21:28.08 | pipeline | abrotman: Seriously, buying Alpha from HP is like pulling teeth. The really, really, really don't want to sell them. |
| 21:28.08 | mhall | sylvisj: hello dual opteron 246 |
| 21:28.08 | abrotman | pipeline: at least you can find one to buy .. unlike itanium :) |
| 21:28.08 | pipeline | mhall, sylvisj : Building your own is rarely a good deal on the SMP opteron systems. |
| 21:28.08 | gberardi | SOLVED! I found out that removing subversion isn't enough. I had to remove libsvn0 as well. Once I did that, I could reinstall the older version of that library as well as subversion, and it works out fin |
| 21:28.08 | gberardi | e |
| 21:28.09 | haqa | goron: the next one would be removing libdjvulibre15 with dpkg -remove libcjvulibre15 |
| 21:28.09 | pipeline | abrotman: Alpha isn't discontinued, but you can't buy them. Itanium workstations are discontinued, but you can still buy them :P |
| 21:28.14 | metalhedd | starfishy, all I want is some help finding information on how the init system works, I assumed it would be the same as debian so this was a logical place to ask. if it makes you so bitter why do you hang out here? |
| 21:28.16 | pipeline | abrotman: Not to mention, you can order a server with graphics anyway :P |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | pipeline: you can still buy alphas |
| 21:28.21 | sylvisj | mhall: ^^ Same here. I'm running my christmas present, Clawhammer 3500+/MSI K8N Neo-4/1gig PC4000 Kingston HyperX/200gb Maxtor SATA hdd/6600GT upgraded to 7800GT |
| 21:28.30 | pipeline | abrotman: Call HP on the phone, right now, and attempt to buy an alpha. I guaran-fucking-tee you cannot do it. |
| 21:28.38 | sylvisj | pipeline: it's quite simple actually. |
| 21:28.38 | starfishy | what makes you think it makes me bitter? |
| 21:28.41 | cisse | until intel offers something resembling NUMA it's a waste to buy any of their offerings |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | pipeline: what kind would you like ? ... AlphaStation? |
| 21:28.45 | pipeline | sylvisj: It's not cost-effective. |
| 21:28.49 | opnsrc | metalhedd, I think I have a book that may have the answer |
| 21:29.00 | Steven_6040 | sorry to be a pain but is there a command to show init scripts started by runlevel? |
| 21:29.03 | pipeline | abrotman: Sure. Alphastation DS20 would be great. See if they'll fax you a quote and a sales contact. They won't. |
| 21:29.04 | sylvisj | pipeline: Maybe not (past 2socket), but at least you know what you're getting. |
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| 21:29.09 | mhall | sylvisj: woohoo |
| 21:29.15 | pipeline | sylvisj: I know what I'm getting buying from Sun, too :P |
| 21:29.21 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/buy_form.html?jumpid=re_r2820_buy/GS/HomeBuyBtn ? |
| 21:29.22 | abrotman | pipeline: you mean DS25 ? |
| 21:29.24 | opnsrc | Let me look it up (I don't think it mentions Ubuntu but it compares the init from different distributions, very basic stuff though) |
| 21:29.26 | sylvisj | pipeline: :P If only I had the cash. |
| 21:29.27 | mhall | pipeline: yeah it seemed like Sun was a better deal that way |
| 21:29.29 | goron | haqa: The programs claims that it can't be removed because it's not installed. |
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| 21:29.33 | sylvisj | Brb. |
| 21:29.37 | starfishy | be glad that the PTB are in a good mood today or you might be banned already |
| 21:29.38 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Very funny :P |
| 21:29.38 | mhall | pipeline: but they don't include a great graphics adapter |
| 21:29.47 | metalhedd | staniel, because instead of quietly ignoring my question you felt the need to make an obvious and ignorant suggestion. |
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| 21:29.51 | pipeline | mhall: Eh? I thought they had a pretty average nvidia card. |
| 21:29.53 | metalhedd | staniel, that was not for you. |
| 21:29.53 | opnsrc | It's Linux for Dummies, All-in-One desk Reference. Let me see if I can find what you're looking for |
| 21:29.58 | metalhedd | starfishy, ^ |
| 21:30.00 | pipeline | mhall: I've only actually seen one once, so hey :P |
| 21:30.06 | metalhedd | opnsrc, thank you |
| 21:30.08 | starfishy | ^? |
| 21:30.13 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 21:30.13 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 21:30.22 | asg | pebkac: yeah, just got back |
| 21:30.22 | abrotman | pipeline: worst fucking phone system ever |
| 21:30.22 | metalhedd | starfishy, , i typed my respponse to the wrong person. |
| 21:30.27 | starfishy | metalhedd: have you tried starting gdm manually? |
| 21:30.30 | pebkac | asg: couldn't figure, but "apt-get install login" seems to have solved the problem. overwrote all the files, and well, it works like a charm. |
| 21:30.39 | metalhedd | starfishy, it starts fine manually. |
| 21:30.39 | asg | pebkac: cool |
| 21:30.42 | pebkac | asg: strange shit |
| 21:30.43 | pebkac | :D |
| 21:30.45 | pipeline | abrotman: I like to use a pulse phone and just avoid the voicemail entirely. |
| 21:30.46 | EdLin | metalhedd: if you read the /topic, "this is not #ubuntu" |
| 21:30.49 | pebkac | thanks for your help |
| 21:30.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:30.51 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: now, it's possible that their website doesn't correspond to reality, but it sure looks like you can buy them |
| 21:30.57 | starfishy | then you probably have the link in /etc/rcX.d wrong |
| 21:31.05 | asg | pebkac: you're welcome |
| 21:31.08 | sylvisj | How do I copy a directory? |
| 21:31.10 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: you fill out that form, you'll get a sales guy selling you HP-UX on Itanium. |
| 21:31.11 | starfishy | and there is nothing ignorant in saying that this is not #ubuntu |
| 21:31.21 | starfishy | and that this is not the channel to get ubuntu support |
| 21:31.28 | opnsrc | It doesn't mention ubuntu. I'll message you the information it does say |
| 21:31.31 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: that may be what they'll try to sell you... |
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| 21:31.40 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: The form is quite real, and I'm sure they'll contact you if your information doesn't look like "Chris Mastree, 555 Madeup Ln." |
| 21:31.42 | starfishy | are you sure you created the link in the directory for the correct runlevel? |
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| 21:31.50 | mhall | pipeline: yeah if i was gonna pay that kind of cash i'd want the video equivalent of a blowjob, minimum |
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| 21:32.11 | pipeline | mhall: I suggest you look at the retail cost on Opterons and their components. Buying from an OEM turns out to be a deal :P |
| 21:32.11 | EdLin | !topicsmite metalhedd |
| 21:32.11 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon metalhedd. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:32.13 | goron | haqa: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-djvu.desktop', which is also in package libdjvulibre15 |
| 21:32.14 | goron | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 21:32.25 | mhall | pipeline: i did, once before |
| 21:32.29 | metalhedd | starfishy, I used a gui tool, I dont know how debian or ubuntu's init system works at all, I only know gentoos |
| 21:32.35 | mhall | pipeline: but which oems are suitable |
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| 21:32.47 | goron | So, on the one hand the package is there, and on the other it's not. What is this? A quantum system? |
| 21:32.48 | haqa | goron: try dpkg --install --force-all kdelibs-data (i think you have to add the whole path /var/cache...) |
| 21:32.50 | pipeline | mhall: HP and Sun come to mind. They really have very competitive prices :P |
| 21:32.54 | starfishy | then how are we supposed to troubleshoot your problem? |
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| 21:33.02 | Chad____ | How do I test the server speed port (10 or 100mbit) via command line? |
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| 21:33.11 | cisse | Chad____: ifconfig |
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| 21:33.17 | pipeline | mhall: Also, Solaris supports OpenGL on nVidia now. I don't know what the hell you would do with GL under UNIX, since no ISVs seem to support Solaris x86, but you can still have it :P |
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| 21:33.20 | metalhedd | All I want is a little information on how the init system works so I can figure it out myself. |
| 21:33.28 | metalhedd | a simple link would be helpful. |
| 21:33.29 | starfishy | for the record: the init system works the same way on ubuntu and debian |
| 21:33.31 | goron | haqa: Ok, that seems to work. |
| 21:33.34 | pipeline | metalhedd: Uh, the init system is a perfectly normal sysv setup... "man init" will get you the basics. |
| 21:33.41 | asg | metalhedd: /etc/init.d/README (and the policy stuff to which it points) |
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| 21:33.53 | metalhedd | THANK YOU! |
| 21:33.57 | haqa | goron: i think next would be apt-get -f install... |
| 21:33.57 | asg | you're welcome |
| 21:33.57 | SperMite | anyone in here using etch that got k3b on there box? |
| 21:34.01 | Chad____ | i ran ifconfig but where does it show 10mbit or 100mbit? |
| 21:34.08 | rol | Any polish here? |
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| 21:34.18 | pipeline | Chad____: Uh, usually in the first couple lines. |
| 21:34.19 | goron | haqa: I use aptitude since that is recommended. |
| 21:34.20 | metalhedd | If only it were easier to cut through the BS and get a straight answer sooner. |
| 21:34.25 | mhall | pipeline: nah screw that i'd probably use debian or kubuntu |
| 21:34.25 | EdLin | !pl |
| 21:34.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 21:34.27 | starfishy | i think ubuntu may use a different default runlevel |
| 21:34.33 | goron | haqa: And it seems somewhat more advanced. |
| 21:34.35 | mhall | pipeline: and *gasp* windows for games |
| 21:34.46 | pipeline | mhall: Sun and HP will both support Windows. |
| 21:35.14 | rol | Zaptam inaczej bo nie chce mi siÄ™ pisac i czytac po angielsku, nie mam nastroju dzisiaj |
| 21:35.21 | azeem | rol: this is an english channel |
| 21:35.27 | azeem | !pl |
| 21:35.28 | dpkg | from memory, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 21:35.28 | haqa | goron: i'm one of the hardliners (usually, i'm using synaptic...:-) |
| 21:35.31 | rol | Ok sorry |
| 21:35.35 | starfishy | metalhedd: you could have googled the straight answer in a jiff |
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| 21:35.42 | opnsrc | it also says: The current run level, together with the contents of the /etc/inittab file, controls which processes init starts in Linux. The default run level is 2 in Debian and Xandros. In FC & Suse, 3 is for text mode login screens and 5 is for graphical login screen. You can change the defaults by editing a line in the /etc/inittab file. To check the curent runlevel type /sbin/runlevel (debian will first show the previous r |
| 21:35.42 | opnsrc | unlevel followed by the current one, N meaning no previous runlevel). |
| 21:35.43 | kspath | To jest tylko po angielsku kannel |
| 21:35.46 | azeem | rol: /join #debian.pl |
| 21:35.51 | imatsu | i need to install debian sarge ia64 from memory flash, please helpme |
| 21:35.51 | mhall | pipeline: right and sun supports linux also apparently |
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| 21:36.01 | starfishy | so coming here and expecting everyone to jump even though the topic clearly states that this is not #ubuntu is kinda ill advised |
| 21:36.05 | Chad____ | I don't see it to be honest... http://pastebin.com/519722 |
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| 21:36.34 | goron | haqa: I use all the tools. |
| 21:36.42 | metalhedd | my original question was just as much a debian question as it was a ubuntu question. you're all just nitpicky. |
| 21:36.45 | metalhedd | anyway I'm out. |
| 21:36.46 | opnsrc | it also has a couple more pages on the /etc/inittab file and more stuff about it |
| 21:36.48 | metalhedd | thanks to ythe helpful ones. |
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| 21:36.52 | mhall | pipeline: you know, i wish i had a nondeterministic turing machine |
| 21:36.56 | opnsrc | (if you're interested I can type you it via msg) |
| 21:37.05 | Sander-nl_ | can someone kick the Sander-nl? |
| 21:37.07 | Chad____ | Anyone know which line? |
| 21:37.16 | mhall | pipeline: that would be sweet once you wrote the library |
| 21:37.20 | quitte | Sander-nl_: /msg nickserv help |
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| 21:37.29 | opnsrc | Well I guess I didn't help him much :( |
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| 21:38.01 | haqa | goron: while updating my first debian, i ran into some problems with aptitude (removing a whole bunch of packages), since then i'm avoiding it... |
| 21:38.23 | rol | What game in Ubuntu is most dangerous/destructive and aspecialy lovely? ;-P |
| 21:38.34 | azeem | rol: /join #ubuntu |
| 21:38.34 | asg | rol: nethack |
| 21:38.35 | Sander-nl_ | I know how nickserv works but my old nick stayed here somehow |
| 21:38.59 | kspath | rol: #ubuntu albo #ubuntu-pl or whatever |
| 21:39.01 | quitte | Sander-nl_: use recover |
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| 21:39.23 | quitte | Sander-nl_: and ten release |
| 21:39.29 | sylvisj | Whee installing WoW via Wine as I type |
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| 21:39.49 | starfishy | haqa: apt and aptitude use the same mechanism, so using apt-get instead of aptitude doesnt change a thing |
| 21:40.10 | asg | starfishy: aptitude likes to install recommends, apt-get doesn't. That is often what causes some issues. |
| 21:40.42 | starfishy | that doesnt really account for things being removed though |
| 21:40.51 | haqa | goron: yes, i know - but i didn't find my way in the aptitude-menus in the beginning ... |
| 21:41.08 | starfishy | usually things removed were installed automatically as dependencies and removed when all their dependents are gone |
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| 21:41.18 | asg | starfishy: unless a recommended package conflicts with an installed one. The likely problem in either case is pebcak or mixing stable and etch/sid. |
| 21:41.33 | starfishy | yeah |
| 21:42.04 | sylvisj | Etch is testing, sid is unstable, right? |
| 21:42.10 | starfishy | yes |
| 21:42.11 | asg | sylvisj: yes |
| 21:42.17 | randomity | Is it possible to install kde properly in etch yet? |
| 21:42.18 | sylvisj | Alright, thanks, I wasn't sure on that. |
| 21:42.28 | sylvisj | Randomity: I'm on KDE via etch right now. |
| 21:42.29 | asg | randomity: the folks in #debian-kde might know |
| 21:42.31 | abrotman | pipeline: thier hold queue sucks! |
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| 21:42.35 | abrotman | the music isn't bad |
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| 21:42.44 | randomity | sylvisj, asg: thanks |
| 21:42.44 | sylvisj | abrotman: who...? |
| 21:42.47 | abrotman | HP |
| 21:42.50 | sylvisj | Randomity: np |
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| 21:43.01 | deb_user | hello, anybody have any experience with debian's mod_auth_mysql package for apache? |
| 21:43.15 | abrotman | does anyone use mysql? |
| 21:43.17 | sylvisj | abrotman: Haha, yeah, I know. Had to call them for a burnt cpu in a P4 rig. Under warranty, luckily. Still not sure how it burnt - they aren't either. |
| 21:43.19 | asg | abrotman: we do |
| 21:43.26 | abrotman | asg: i'm sorry |
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| 21:43.36 | asg | abrotman: it works well for what we use it for. |
| 21:43.39 | sylvisj | Lol, anyone who has a PHP site uses MySQL (90% anyway) |
| 21:43.39 | Daedalus_ | abrotman: sure. why? |
| 21:43.44 | ranger | hello, |
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| 21:43.53 | abrotman | sylvisj: not of the people i know .. 90% use pgsql .. |
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| 21:43.56 | deb_user | hello, anybody have any experience with debian's mod_auth_mysql package for apache? |
| 21:44.04 | haqa | starfishy : in this case it was a dependency-problem - which was removing most of my X-System... but it's not really logical anymore that i'm avoiding aptitude |
| 21:44.06 | Daedalus_ | Oh |
| 21:44.10 | sylvisj | abrotman: ^^ Could go either way. SQL is used in either case. |
| 21:44.11 | ranger | can somebody help me with cups and printing pictures |
| 21:44.14 | starfishy | yeah |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | sylvisj: maybe i just know smarter people than you :) |
| 21:44.29 | sylvisj | abrotman: Quite possible. |
| 21:44.36 | asg | abrotman: this coming from cakebut and umbrella boy ;) |
| 21:44.40 | starfishy | well, these removes usually are easily fixed (aptitude install x-window-system) |
| 21:44.46 | sylvisj | abrotman: Most the people I know are in highschool, as am I. |
| 21:45.06 | abrotman | sylvisj: that would explain it :) |
| 21:45.11 | sylvisj | starfishy: Why not just use apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 21:45.19 | starfishy | abrotman: not everyone has a choice |
| 21:45.19 | haqa | starfishy: But not a few years ago when i was new to debian ... :-) |
| 21:45.28 | abrotman | starfishy: you always have a choice |
| 21:45.35 | abrotman | yay for OSS! |
| 21:45.43 | starfishy | if the company decides on MySQL a single user or engineer cant simply say 'no, ill use postgres' |
| 21:45.47 | sylvisj | abrotman: I'm one of maybe 5 to have heard of linux (including teachers, and yes, our A+/CISCO teacher) and the only person to use it. |
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| 21:45.58 | ranger | the only i get is a blank page .... |
| 21:46.03 | abrotman | !prize sylvisj |
| 21:46.21 | ranger | with open office i can print without any problems |
| 21:46.26 | ranger | plz plz help me |
| 21:46.36 | starfishy | sounds like the usual CS 'we breed windows dummies' class |
| 21:46.36 | sylvisj | !help ranger |
| 21:46.52 | goron | haqa: oh, ok. |
| 21:47.06 | sylvisj | Yeah, our computer teacher is a dick. He knows nothing. Odds are 9/10 that I could teach the class better than him. |
| 21:47.21 | starfishy | sounds like the typical CS teacher to me |
| 21:47.32 | starfishy | 99% of CS teachers know nothing or not enough |
| 21:47.33 | ranger | !help |
| 21:47.45 | abrotman | and then you have guys like JEP |
| 21:47.52 | goron | starfishy: Then you either know a great deal or you have a bad system. |
| 21:47.54 | mhall | yes they do not stay current |
| 21:47.55 | sylvisj | This sadly isn't our CS teacher. Our CS teacher is stupider than this fool. This fool is supposed to teach the 'advanced' computer classes. |
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| 21:48.07 | asg | mhall: they have no incentive to |
| 21:48.11 | starfishy | goron: what comment did that refer to:? |
| 21:48.19 | mhall | asg: actually they do |
| 21:48.21 | goron | "99% of CS teachers know nothing or not enough" |
| 21:48.22 | abrotman | i had JEP at uni .. if you read comp.lang.c++.moderated .. you should know him |
| 21:48.26 | goron | starfishy: that |
| 21:48.32 | asg | mhall: true, but they don't act on it. |
| 21:48.33 | mhall | asg: schools pay teachers more if they have continuing education units |
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| 21:48.43 | mhall | asg: the incentive is even financial |
| 21:48.53 | goron | starfishy: Or are you talking about high-school CS? |
| 21:48.58 | pipeline | abrotman: What? A hold queue on sales? WTF is that shit. No wonder HP is so fucked. |
| 21:49.04 | starfishy | i am talking about high school CS |
| 21:49.04 | asg | mhall: true |
| 21:49.10 | kspath | CS teachers know their curriculum. If they do research than instead of the curriculum they know the students that actually do the research for them. |
| 21:49.18 | sylvisj | pipeline: zOMG QUEUE DUCK FOR COVER |
| 21:49.18 | goron | starfishy: Oh, then you are right. |
| 21:49.20 | starfishy | which is what sylvisj was talking about |
| 21:49.24 | starfishy | :) |
| 21:49.32 | haqa | starfishy and goron: ok, then i'm one remaining 1% ... |
| 21:49.33 | pipeline | sylvisj: Customer service is important. |
| 21:49.34 | goron | starfishy: I didn't do it on high-school since I knew the level. |
| 21:49.34 | asg | mhall: the ones at our college don't though; only a few. |
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| 21:49.42 | starfishy | i had a few good professors at the university |
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| 21:49.48 | brahm | hi |
| 21:49.55 | pipeline | kspath: At my university, most of the CS professors don't do research OR teach effectively :q: |
| 21:49.56 | sylvisj | pipeline: We know. Customer service = keeps a few customers. |
| 21:50.00 | brahm | is firefox 1.5 bundled in stable yet? |
| 21:50.00 | starfishy | but these guys wouldnt touch high school CS with a 10 foot CAT6 cable |
| 21:50.03 | sylvisj | pipeline: Where did you go...? |
| 21:50.06 | sylvisj | brahm: no |
| 21:50.11 | asg | brahm: no and it never will be. Look for a backport |
| 21:50.14 | abrotman | pipeline: i got disconnected .. i'll try again tomorrow if you remind me |
| 21:50.16 | ranger | !help |
| 21:50.23 | goron | starfishy: University level CS is good in >95% of the cases. |
| 21:50.27 | abrotman | ranger: stop doing that |
| 21:50.31 | starfishy | yeah |
| 21:50.32 | pipeline | abrotman: I just might, since I don't have a land line and sales people get shitty if you don't have a fax number :P |
| 21:50.41 | ma3x | scsi3 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 21:50.41 | ma3x | EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_readdir: directory #2 contains a hole at offset 0 |
| 21:50.41 | ma3x | scsi3 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 21:50.43 | kspath | pipeline: oh I did not say they could teach. I was only indicating that they knew what/where their curriculum sheets were. |
| 21:50.45 | ranger | sry |
| 21:50.45 | ma3x | does this mean the hard disk is damaged? |
| 21:50.46 | pipeline | sylvisj: Ball State University. A state university where CS is just not important. |
| 21:50.53 | sylvisj | goron: In >50% of the cases, students/former students are the CS/techies. |
| 21:50.53 | abrotman | pipeline: i was connected to "Enterprise" and it just dropped me :) |
| 21:50.55 | pipeline | sylvisj: I didn't go for CS, mind you. |
| 21:50.59 | abrotman | pipeline: now that's support! |
| 21:50.59 | starfishy | but not too many people in our profession had the benefit of university CS classes |
| 21:51.02 | asg | ma3x: there's a hole in your filesystem dear liza dear liza |
| 21:51.13 | pipeline | abrotman: hahahah. Carly lives on as gremlins in the phone network. |
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| 21:51.22 | abrotman | yeah |
| 21:51.29 | goron | sylvisj: That sentence is too compressed. |
| 21:51.31 | sylvisj | I'm hoping to go to a comp. sci based school. |
| 21:51.39 | abrotman | like ITT? |
| 21:51.45 | asg | or DeVry |
| 21:51.46 | cisse | ahha aa hahah |
| 21:51.49 | abrotman | sylvisj: what state are you in ? |
| 21:51.51 | ma3x | asg, what means that, if there is a hole in the filesystem? (it's my external hdd) |
| 21:51.53 | sylvisj | Lol @ devry |
| 21:51.53 | sylvisj | Iowa |
| 21:51.54 | cisse | sylvisj: god why do that to yourself ? |
| 21:51.59 | ma3x | asg, it doesnt mean that the hdd is damaged, right? |
| 21:52.01 | ma3x | or it does? |
| 21:52.04 | sylvisj | cisse: The field I hope to get into. |
| 21:52.06 | abrotman | sylvisj: iirc .. Iowa has a good program .. as does U of WI |
| 21:52.13 | cisse | sylvisj: so ? |
| 21:52.15 | asg | ma3x: it was a joke. If it's external, it might just have become disconnected in kernel land |
| 21:52.23 | starfishy | yup |
| 21:52.30 | sylvisj | cisse: good college is kind of beneficial... |
| 21:52.36 | starfishy | check dmesg to see whether it has reconnected as a nother drive |
| 21:52.42 | sylvisj | abrotman: We do. Indian Hills, U of I, ISU, etc. |
| 21:52.48 | cisse | sylvisj: good college yes, good IT program not really |
| 21:52.58 | asg | sylvisj: depending on what you want to do in life, comp sci may not be the best bet. |
| 21:53.06 | sylvisj | cisse: Not nessecerily IT, but comp. sci. |
| 21:53.11 | asg | starfishy: at least they had good beer |
| 21:53.15 | shad0w1e | I'd like to set up my machine as a local IP address on someone else's network. What should I use? VPN? Something else? thanks |
| 21:53.15 | haqa | ma3x: do you have an external usb-drive plugged into your computer? |
| 21:53.17 | goron | starfishy: technical, eh? Yag! |
| 21:53.20 | ma3x | asg, why does it happen so often, what should I do about it? |
| 21:53.23 | ma3x | haqa, yes |
| 21:53.26 | ma3x | haqa, why? |
| 21:53.29 | starfishy | why yag? |
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| 21:53.36 | cisse | sylvisj: i have a compsci degree and think it was almost a total waste, do something interesting in undergrad, minor in compsci, if you're really interested go back for grad |
| 21:53.38 | cyclothunder | hi :) |
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| 21:53.50 | starfishy | its one of the better universities in Germany and on par with good universities over here |
| 21:53.58 | sylvisj | :P I wanna get into hardware and networking. Not so much programming, but I do wanna touch on it a bit. |
| 21:54.08 | starfishy | its just called Technische Universitaet Muenchen |
| 21:54.12 | ranger | can sb help me i get blank pages if i print pictures with gqview under gnome debian etch, it works wonderfull if i print with openoffice.... anybody some idea ? my printer is a brother an i m using cups |
| 21:54.13 | starfishy | because it doesnt only teach CS |
| 21:54.23 | cisse | sylvisj: hardware and networking isn't taught in schools, better off getting internships for that |
| 21:54.24 | cyclothunder | does anyone know any alternative app to trickle!? |
| 21:54.25 | haqa | ma3x: because device sda1 is usually assigned to usb-drives (harddrives, flashdisks or similar) |
| 21:54.26 | asg | sylvisj: building or administrating? |
| 21:54.26 | starfishy | i have a degree in electrical engineering |
| 21:54.36 | cisse | cyclothunder: what does trickle do ? |
| 21:54.43 | haqa | ma3x: how often does it happen? |
| 21:54.47 | sylvisj | asg: Pref. building, but administrating if that's all I can get. |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | i have CIS .. i don't use really much of the programming from it .. and i was only CS because the math dept at my uni was a waste of space |
| 21:55.03 | starfishy | yikes, that FC5 has been installing for >1h from a DVD image |
| 21:55.11 | cyclothunder | it lets limit bandwith of users |
| 21:55.12 | asg | sylvisj: then EE or CE is better than CS. |
| 21:55.20 | ma3x | haqa, I bought the drive (2,5") with an enclosure 1 week ago, and it started showing those errors yesterday. |
| 21:55.27 | asg | sylvisj: you could always minor in CS. |
| 21:55.29 | starfishy | work enough with RH-based stuff and you learn to despise it |
| 21:55.33 | ma3x | haqa, today since I turned on my laptop, it was supposed to mount the drive automatically but it showed that error. 6-7 times till now in 2 das |
| 21:55.37 | cyclothunder | but what i'm lookin' is not limit users but apps |
| 21:55.43 | abrotman | if you major in CE .. a minor in CS is probably one or two extra classes |
| 21:55.52 | abrotman | and a minor in math for that matter |
| 21:56.13 | asg | abrotman: CE requires lots of fun math anyway like linear algebra and discrete structures. |
| 21:56.21 | abrotman | !funsmite asg |
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| 21:56.38 | asg | abrotman: what do I know, I studied Philosophy |
| 21:56.43 | sylvisj | AAAHHH wow that was ugly. |
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| 21:56.52 | sylvisj | WoW just resized my desktop from 1280x960 to 800x600. |
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| 21:57.04 | ma3x | sylvisj, how does it feel? |
| 21:57.04 | merak | !tell cyclothunder about selinux |
| 21:57.09 | sylvisj | ag: Computer Engineering, I like. |
| 21:57.11 | haqa | ma3x: Did you change anything? like formatting the harddrive, pluggin anything else into the usb-port? |
| 21:57.18 | sylvisj | ma3x: nasty. Had to set it back to 1280x960. |
| 21:57.25 | ma3x | haqa, no, nothing |
| 21:57.27 | sylvisj | Gotta remember to run WoW on another desktop\ |
| 21:57.29 | goron | starfishy:EE is nice. I'd want to know more about that too. But I value a theor. CS more than a technical one. |
| 21:57.34 | g0dspeed | anyone familiar with "cannot find module xx + snmpd" ? |
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| 21:57.48 | ma3x | sylvisj, there is nothing better than 1024x768 |
| 21:57.54 | asg | sylvisj: I took a few intro courses. Interesting but not what I wanted to do. |
| 21:58.00 | haqa | ma3x: or updating your system?? |
| 21:58.13 | sylvisj | Use that resolution on a few games, used to use it as my desktop. Limited by my monitor nowadays, not my 7800GT |
| 21:58.22 | sylvisj | asg: Ahh. |
| 21:58.45 | ma3x | haqa, I did update it, yes. and IIRC it installed some new usblib |
| 21:58.57 | asg | sylvisj: I always just wanted to be a Unix admin |
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| 21:59.20 | sylvisj | asg: I have quite a bit to learn about unix/linux before I do anything down that road. |
| 21:59.30 | starfishy | goron: fortunately im not really interested in how people value me :) |
| 21:59.43 | cisse | sylvisj: learn bsd if you want to run networks |
| 21:59.45 | starfishy | as long as my employer values me enough to pay me a good salary |
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| 22:00.02 | asg | sylvisj: yeah, cisse's point is also worth noting |
| 22:00.10 | starfishy | even though i am not a CS person i advise most of the tech people in my environment |
| 22:00.12 | goron | starfishy: I don't value *you*, since it was more of a general statement. |
| 22:00.16 | sylvisj | cisse: I've heard I'll have to learn a bit of BSD. Figured I'd get some Linux in first. I'm not quite sure what BSD is. |
| 22:00.19 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 22:00.19 | sylvisj | Unix based is all I've heard. |
| 22:00.23 | haqa | ma3x: are you running debian unstable? |
| 22:00.27 | ma3x | haqa, typ |
| 22:00.27 | goron | starfishy: (that is you specifically) |
| 22:00.28 | asg | sylvisj: and based on my personal experience, hope you never end up in an Extreme Networks shop |
| 22:00.29 | ma3x | haqa, yup |
| 22:00.31 | merak | !te;; g0dspeed about ask |
| 22:00.34 | merak | !te;; g0dspeed about anyone |
| 22:00.38 | merak | bleh |
| 22:00.42 | sylvisj | Lol. |
| 22:00.44 | goron | I think you need the l |
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| 22:01.02 | cisse | sylvisj: bsd is great, it's a family of oses (open, free, net, dragonfly) that linux is heavily related to |
| 22:01.02 | goron | It's next to the ; |
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| 22:01.03 | shad0w1e | Hi. I'd like to be able to connect into a linux machine, and once I'm connected in, that machine could connect to me (all ports) via the connection that I initiated.. (when I connect, I get a local IP) any suggestions on how to set this up? |
| 22:01.16 | asg | sylvisj: and SunOS before they went mad |
| 22:01.19 | sylvisj | OpenBSD and FreeBSD are what I've heard about. Didn't know of the other two. |
| 22:01.21 | starfishy | in general i think people, who have higher education have some advantage because they had to learn how to acquire knowledge |
| 22:01.34 | starfishy | unlike the ones who just go through high school and maybe junior college |
| 22:01.37 | haqa | ma3x: then probably the new usblibs are not working correctly. |
| 22:01.38 | shad0w1e | starfishy, yeah they learned how to use google |
| 22:01.38 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 22:01.45 | cisse | sylvisj: netbsd is ported to everything you can think of, dragonfly is a branch from freebsd that's still very beta |
| 22:02.03 | ma3x | haqa, so what should I do about it? file a bug or what? |
| 22:02.04 | sylvisj | Ok, that just isn't funny, it's now resized me twice. |
| 22:02.04 | asg | cisse: did they port it to the Zaurus SL-5500s yet? |
| 22:02.07 | sylvisj | Wish I knew how to stop that. |
| 22:02.12 | haqa | ma3x: try updating the whole usblibs |
| 22:02.23 | starfishy | shad0w1e: using google and knowing how to get the right results ASAP are two entirely different things |
| 22:02.27 | merak | dragonfly is going to fail, it's only a matter of time |
| 22:02.36 | jhaig | I'm having trouble with USB drives, which I thought I had solved. When I plug the drive in messages in /var/log/messages appear to indicate that it has been recognised. As root I can now "mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk" but not as a user. Also (probably related) it does not automatically mount and appear on the desktop, as it has done before. Anyone any suggestions how I may find out what is wrong? |
| 22:02.40 | sylvisj | Hmm. Maybe I'll download freeBSD and put it on my spare 50gig partition. |
| 22:02.58 | sylvisj | jhaig: Why sda? |
| 22:02.58 | pipeline | Gah, I have horrendous screen corruption under an S3 Virge. Any tips? |
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| 22:03.04 | ma3x | haqa, usbutils is already the newest version. |
| 22:03.09 | goron | Being dependent on technology is bad. |
| 22:03.11 | pipeline | asg: Balderdash. Solaris 2.0 was vastly superior to SunOS 4 on a number of bases. |
| 22:03.12 | kspath | starfishy: right, you are talking averages? I only have Assoc. Math. |
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| 22:03.13 | sylvisj | pipeline: get a real video card? |
| 22:03.19 | merak | jhaig: What type of file system is it you are mounting? |
| 22:03.20 | asg | pipeline: stop using S3 Virge? :) |
| 22:03.20 | shad0w1e | starfishy, I suppose. I am here myself for keywords. Once I know what to search for, I can google it... |
| 22:03.24 | kspath | does that make me an incapable luser? |
| 22:03.29 | starfishy | i am talking 'majority' not 'individual' |
| 22:03.30 | merak | jhaig: You probably want to apt-get install usbmount |
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| 22:03.35 | jhaig | tell sylvisj: After trial and error, I round that that works. |
| 22:03.36 | pipeline | asg, sylvisj: The virge, in theory, should be good enough for 2d 8bit use. |
| 22:03.38 | asg | pipeline: I have a 2.6 Solaris and I hate it. |
| 22:03.50 | pipeline | asg: Nevertheless, it's superior to SunOS for a lot of reasons. |
| 22:03.58 | sylvisj | pipeline: Theory isn't always reality ;) |
| 22:03.59 | starfishy | shad0w1e: knowing the keywords or how to find them unaided is one of the skills i was talking about |
| 22:04.05 | cisse | merak: why will dragonfly fail ? |
| 22:04.07 | pipeline | asg: It's fully portable, it has a sane DDK, it has a modular kernel, SMP performance is vastly better. |
| 22:04.09 | sylvisj | THATS WHAT I'M MISSING! I gotta get aMSN still |
| 22:04.12 | pipeline | cisse: Because it's run by an idiot? |
| 22:04.19 | brahm | what do i use to hold a package? I tried with aptitude but dpkg -l doesn't list it as.. what am i missing? |
| 22:04.23 | onweald_tim | Riddle me this Batman... Error "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" when I try to use lsmod or update-modules. I have a clean system I debootstrap'd. Kernel 2.6.15.1 compiled from scratch. |
| 22:04.32 | jhaig | merak: I think it is FAT, but I'm not sure. Also, I tried another drive, which has so far failed to work and this was the point the other one stopped working. I think (from googling) that this may be NTFS. |
| 22:04.33 | haqa | ma3x: and hotplug? |
| 22:04.33 | asg | !qm_modules |
| 22:04.34 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
| 22:04.38 | pipeline | sylvisj: Apparently not. If I didn't need xinerama, I'd install XF86 3.3 packages from woody. Goddamn I hate XF86. |
| 22:04.38 | asg | onweald_tim: ^^^ |
| 22:04.42 | kspath | starfishy: I met many EECS and CS grads that are/were clueless yet I still try to assume some of them know something useful |
| 22:04.48 | starfishy | kspath: i know a whole bunch of smart and experienced individuals without graduate or postgraduate degrees |
| 22:04.52 | merak | cisse: Because freebsd is a better alternative. They have 50x the developer base, and the development is much more active. |
| 22:05.02 | starfishy | and i know jackass PhDs |
| 22:05.05 | sylvisj | pipeline: Much <3 for xorg |
| 22:05.14 | asg | pipeline: if it's one of the broken virges, you may need the X v3 xserver-s3 package. |
| 22:05.22 | merak | dragonfly is one guy who disagreed with a decision with the freebsd os..and he is still pretty much one guy |
| 22:05.24 | asg | pipeline: some of them don't work with X v4 or xorg. |
| 22:05.26 | starfishy | but on average people with masters or PhD degrees have a bit of an advantage |
| 22:05.26 | cisse | merak: by your arguement openbsd would be failing too |
| 22:05.30 | ma3x | haqa, it's already installed and it's the newest version |
| 22:05.36 | onweald_tim | I'll give the modules-init-tools a shot. |
| 22:05.40 | merak | cisse: no, openbsd has a huge developer base. |
| 22:05.46 | pipeline | merak, cisse : You're being far too kind to Dragonfly. There are plenty of small projects that have cut the mustard. Dragonfly just happens to be run by a complete fucking idiot. It's not that they're small, it's that dillon is an incompetent moron. |
| 22:05.55 | kspath | starfishy: sorry, I am a bit touchy after talking with recruiters who say that they only was CS graduates because people without the degree are not as good. |
| 22:05.56 | pipeline | asg: Well, crap. |
| 22:06.04 | merak | pipeline: yea, I agree with you. |
| 22:06.05 | jhaig | merek: I'm installing usbmount now. I thought everything I needed was already installed. Well, it worked yesterday. |
| 22:06.13 | pipeline | sylvisj: Xorg is still XF86. And I still hate it. If you call a turd a rose, does it still smell like shit? |
| 22:06.17 | asg | pipeline: I have one old Dell optiplex that has that problem. It does work but only with xserver-s3 |
| 22:06.20 | starfishy | kspath: thats why i specifically said they have an advantage, not they are better |
| 22:06.21 | cisse | pipeline: don't know much about dillion |
| 22:06.30 | pipeline | asg: XF86 3 doesn't support Xinerama. curses, curses, curses. |
| 22:06.35 | haqa | ma3x: update your package information and try again - there might have been a bug which is already corrected.. |
| 22:06.35 | asg | pipeline: heh, no |
| 22:06.37 | kspath | ARGH! I need to learn to think/spell/type at the same time. |
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| 22:06.40 | sylvisj | pipeline: All in the eye of the beholder, and dependant on the skill of your hypnotist. |
| 22:06.52 | merak | dragonfly is just one developer that thought he could take over freebsd and gets of of fame and girls..but no one followed now he is just some idiot trying to single handedly run an entire os |
| 22:06.54 | starfishy | i wouldnt hire based on degree if you mean that |
| 22:06.54 | goron | pipeline: How do you know that guy is incompetent? |
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| 22:07.03 | ma3x | haqa, I've already done apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:07.10 | ma3x | haqa, the new packages information will be out in about 4 hours, no? |
| 22:07.17 | sylvisj | apt-get upgrade?? Doesn't that upgrade your distro? |
| 22:07.32 | merak | jhaig: After you apt-get install usbmount, nano /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf, and add "vfat" to the line with ext2 and ext3 listed. |
| 22:07.32 | ranger | hello.... sry... but nobody here who can help me? with my printing problem? |
| 22:07.43 | pipeline | goron: have you read his posts to the FreeBSD devel lists? Good lord, he's a complete idiot. He wouldn't know gcc from his elbow. |
| 22:07.46 | merak | jhaig: Then when you plug in a usb device...it will automatically be mounted. |
| 22:07.50 | sylvisj | ranger: Appears not. |
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| 22:08.10 | merak | jhaig: Or if you want to setup this vfat partition to automatically be mounted on boot, you would edit /etc/fstab |
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| 22:08.14 | pipeline | sylvisj: Not really. Suggestible persons can be put under by even the lousiest hypnotist. People who are not particularly suggestible can't be hypnotized be the best in the business. Period. |
| 22:08.16 | merak | !tell jhaig about vfatrw |
| 22:08.26 | zcram | gn |
| 22:08.42 | merak | Look how hitler got in power. |
| 22:08.49 | pipeline | goron: His current project is getting better-than-nyquist time resolution on PC hardware. |
| 22:08.53 | merak | That's similar to how dragonfly tries to get into power, but they fail. |
| 22:08.56 | pipeline | goron: i.e. something completely, totally, impossible. |
| 22:09.03 | jhaig | merak: Thanks for the help. |
| 22:09.04 | haqa | ma3x: yes, i think so |
| 22:09.09 | sylvisj | pipeline: Suppose you're right. |
| 22:09.14 | sylvisj | (I suppose your'e right) |
| 22:09.21 | cisse | dragonfly will probably just end up integrating a lot of cool shit into freebsd |
| 22:09.23 | merak | !tell ranger about ask |
| 22:09.26 | merak | !tell ranger about anyone |
| 22:09.35 | haqa | ma3x: did you really do apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:09.50 | merak | maybe you are right |
| 22:10.05 | ma3x | haqa, yeah |
| 22:10.06 | ma3x | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 22:10.07 | cisse | clearly they don't have enough developers at the moment |
| 22:10.11 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.11 | ma3x | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 22:10.13 | cisse | but they're working on some cool fucking shit |
| 22:10.26 | goron | pipeline: No, I don't follow the mailing list anymore. But I'd be amused to get a link. |
| 22:10.36 | sylvisj | !apt-get upgrade |
| 22:10.36 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-get upgrade is probably not what you're looking for. try apt-get dist-upgrade instead, see 'man apt-get' for details |
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| 22:10.40 | sylvisj | !apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:10.40 | dpkg | apt-get dist-upgrade is, like, used to upgrade the entire system to the release specified in the apt sources list, just remember to do apt-get update before you use dist-upgrade |
| 22:11.06 | ma3x | sylvisj, it says the same thing about apt-get dist-upgrade, still 2 not-upgradable packages |
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| 22:11.10 | jhaig | merek: The config file for usbmount has a warning for vfat - that you should 'sync' before removing. Wouldn't unmounting do enough? |
| 22:11.25 | asg | ma3x: dpkg -l | grep ^hi |
| 22:11.26 | nkuttler | ma3x: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 22:11.40 | merak | jhaig: I'm not sure what this warning means. |
| 22:11.45 | ma3x | asg, hi ndiswrapper-source 1.5-1 Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel modu |
| 22:11.56 | asg | ma3x: then it's held. /msg dpkg kept back (as nkuttler pointed out) |
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| 22:11.59 | goron | Any way other than alias to always start aptitude in English mode? The translation is really bad. |
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| 22:12.14 | goron | It looks likes someone picked random words from a dictionary. |
| 22:12.22 | goron | er like |
| 22:12.29 | asg | goron: that's basically English in a nutshell |
| 22:12.33 | ranger | i have a problem with printing pictures (jpg). i m using debian etch and for printing cups. i can print without any errors with open office. if i want to print with gqview all i get is a blank page. |
| 22:13.26 | ma3x | so now it's showing this The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 22:13.30 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.30 | ma3x | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.Inst ndiswrapper-source [1.5-1] (1.8-1 Debian:unstable) |
| 22:13.30 | ma3x | Conf ndiswrapper-source (1.8-1 Debian:unstable) |
| 22:13.34 | asg | goron: man bash (or whatever shell you use) |
| 22:13.39 | ma3x | and still it doesn't resolve |
| 22:13.44 | abrotman | goron: i believe you can set the locale and launce |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | launch |
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| 22:13.54 | lehmann | hi folks |
| 22:14.07 | asg | ma3x: apt-get install ndiswrapper-source (should install it) |
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| 22:14.23 | ma3x | asg, right, just doing that now |
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| 22:14.30 | ma3x | thnaks |
| 22:14.35 | asg | you're welcome |
| 22:14.37 | thc | !kingsleysmite me |
| 22:14.37 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer thc: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.451163163731934! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 22:14.43 | lehmann | is it possible to make an ssh tunnel from host ha, port pa, over host hb, port pb to host hc, port pc ? |
| 22:14.44 | asg | hahaha |
| 22:14.46 | thc | sweet |
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| 22:15.22 | asg | lehmann: yes but it's a good way to confuse yourself |
| 22:15.36 | saloxin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.39 | saloxin_ | aj |
| 22:15.40 | ma3x | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 22:15.43 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.43 | ma3x | E: Broken packages |
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| 22:15.47 | ma3x | now that's not installable |
| 22:15.56 | ma3x | so I guess it must be held back (that package) |
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| 22:16.01 | asg | ma3x: yeah, you have to use m-a to build a modules package before utils will install |
| 22:16.08 | lehmann | asg: how would the command look like? |
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| 22:16.26 | ma3x | asg, so what should I do now, how exactly do I build it? |
| 22:16.35 | asg | ma3x: use module-assistant |
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| 22:17.00 | Milk | Good afternoon! |
| 22:17.01 | merak | !tell ma3x about enter |
| 22:17.08 | merak | !greet Milk |
| 22:17.08 | dpkg | Hello, Milk |
| 22:17.17 | capitol_ | Hi iäm trying to pxeboot my new machine and i have installed dhcp and the tftpd-hpa software, and the machine get an ipaddress and requests pxelinux.cfg/C0A800FE but the server doesn't respond |
| 22:17.21 | capitol_ | i think |
| 22:17.26 | lindenle | is there any psuedo package for unstable to completely move to kde 3.5 in one shot |
| 22:17.32 | capitol_ | i pasted some stuff to http://pastebin.com/519785 |
| 22:17.41 | Milk | I'm having a problem with a floppy install of debian on an old world mac. I get an error when trying to make the drive bootable. It says the OpenFirmware devices name for the root disk cound not be determined |
| 22:18.15 | asg | lehmann: ssh -t -L xxxx:localhost:yyyy host2 ssh -t -L zzzz:localhost:aaaa host3 |
| 22:18.57 | stew | Milk: ask in #debianppc if you haven't already |
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| 22:19.03 | ma3x | asg, thanks! |
| 22:19.07 | asg | ma3x: you're welcome |
| 22:19.16 | asg | lehmann: there are a lot of combinations depending on what you want to do. |
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| 22:19.31 | Milk | stew, had no idea that existed |
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| 22:21.21 | Milk | well.. it appears there is no answer over there |
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| 22:21.48 | asg | lindenle: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 22:22.04 | sylvisj | Hmm, how do I force a dir delete? rmdir with what switch? |
| 22:22.06 | asg | lindenle: sorry, I misread your question. Disregard. |
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| 22:22.22 | asg | sylvisj: rm -rf |
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| 22:22.38 | lindenle | asg: no problem |
| 22:22.39 | asg | sylvisj: be very careful as one wrong step can wipe your system. |
| 22:22.40 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 22:22.40 | dpkg | hmm... remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 22:22.42 | abrotman | lindenle: ^^ |
| 22:22.47 | resiak | Is there a simple way to make the Synaptic option in Gnome's Desktop menu use sudo rather than gksu? I want to allow other users of my PC access to synaptic without giving out my root password. |
| 22:22.49 | eegore | is it advisable to use some sid packages in with etch? |
| 22:22.52 | lehmann | asg: doesnt work |
| 22:22.53 | asg | abrotman: he wanted to install it in one step (I made the same mistake) |
| 22:22.56 | lehmann | thanks anyway |
| 22:23.00 | lindenle | abrotman: I want to put in kde 3.5 from stable not remove it |
| 22:23.01 | sylvisj | thx asg. I'm just deleting a typo'd folder. |
| 22:23.06 | abrotman | lindenle: oh .. |
| 22:23.14 | abrotman | lindenle: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. or ask #debian-kde |
| 22:23.15 | lindenle | abrotman: read unstable |
| 22:23.33 | abrotman | lindenle: type out your whole question again :) |
| 22:23.41 | lindenle | abrotman: i was just asking if there is one apt-gettable package to move to kde 3.5 in unstable |
| 22:23.42 | asg | sylvisj: the standard newbie mistake is 'rm -rf / some/dir' (which is very bad) instead of the more usual 'rm -rf /some/dir' |
| 22:24.04 | asg | sylvisj: one little extra space, so much pain |
| 22:24.05 | goron | Do aliases have an effect on scripts run in bash? |
| 22:24.10 | abrotman | lindenle: there is the meta package kde .. did you try apt-get install kde ? |
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| 22:24.27 | lindenle | abrotman: that package no longer exists in unstable |
| 22:24.28 | pjz | is there a limit on a Depends: field length? |
| 22:24.35 | resiak | !info kde sid |
| 22:24.35 | abrotman | lindenle: there are others |
| 22:24.37 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 22:24.37 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:24.39 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:45 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 22:24.43 | resiak | ^^ |
| 22:24.46 | resiak | !lose lindenle |
| 22:24.46 | dpkg | lindenle: You Lose. |
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| 22:25.43 | lindenle | resiak: no not sarge sid |
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| 22:25.51 | sylvisj | asg: Yeah, I know that'd delete root. I'm not that dense :D |
| 22:25.53 | merak | !tell pjz about ask |
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| 22:26.27 | pjz | merak: uh, I *did* just ask: is there a limit on a Depends: field length when you're building a package? |
| 22:26.35 | m1ke_l | ok...on bootup i am getting "emuk10 disabled in config"....where is that coming from? |
| 22:27.01 | thc | what's the irssi setting that kills that bold garbage |
| 22:27.56 | thc | never mind i found it |
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| 22:29.03 | merak | pjz: no there is no limit, and your question wasn't very clear at all, dpkg gives an example of how to ask a good question. |
| 22:29.21 | resiak | lindenle: That's in _sid_. |
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| 22:30.55 | Tourinho | hey there.. does anyone here knows about a wifi howto?? |
| 22:30.55 | pjz | merak: how was that not clear? how should I have asked it? The version of debian I'm running clearly doesn't matter. I'm not having a problem, I just want to make sure I'm not overflowing something by machine-generating this Depends: line in my control file. |
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| 22:31.28 | Sonny | hello, what package do I need to use make-kpkg? |
| 22:31.48 | merak | pjz: "is there a limit on a Depends: field length?" this could apply to many thing.. 'depends' you didn't say you were trying to build a package. |
| 22:31.58 | merak | !tell Sonny about kernel-package |
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| 22:33.06 | pjz | merak: I didn't ask if I could ask, or pick a person or ask if anyone uses it. Well, this is a debian channel, I guess I presumed too much when I thought the denizens here might know I was talking about a debian package... but what else exists that is on-topic and had a depends field? |
| 22:33.40 | eegore | vim Every now and then you have to go out on a limb and I am trying it for this one package |
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| 22:34.37 | goron | Why is it that when I install something via apt-get, and then do an upgrade, I use lots of packages? |
| 22:34.44 | goron | E.g. Firefox, Kile. |
| 22:34.49 | Trixsey|Laptop | Anyone here good with math? |
| 22:34.50 | sylvisj | How do I unzip a .zip? |
| 22:34.51 | goron | (and others) |
| 22:35.00 | goron | sylvisj: use unzi[ |
| 22:35.02 | goron | sylvisj: use unzip |
| 22:35.03 | pjz | sylvisj: apt-get install unzip |
| 22:35.07 | merak | !tell sylvisj about unzip |
| 22:35.09 | azeem | Trixsey|Laptop: this is a Debian support channel, sorry |
| 22:35.11 | sylvisj | Tried it, goron. pjz, thanks. |
| 22:35.17 | stew | Trixsey|Laptop: try #math |
| 22:35.18 | pjz | goron: because of dependencies |
| 22:35.20 | eegore | I am using a Sid package in etch |
| 22:35.32 | goron | pjz: and they do warn me of that fact? |
| 22:35.37 | goron | pjz: (the tools) |
| 22:35.47 | Trixsey|Laptop | stew: #math is 190 idling noobs |
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| 22:35.51 | Trixsey|Laptop | who cant help me out :D |
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| 22:36.04 | goron | Trixsey|Laptop: They are not n00bs. |
| 22:36.06 | azeem | Trixsey|Laptop: that doesn't mean your question is on-topic here, sorry |
| 22:36.07 | pjz | goron: yes, apt-get stops and says 'firefox relies on x, y, z, so installing them too. is this okay?' |
| 22:36.25 | goron | pjz: this is aptitude. |
| 22:36.39 | jmr_ | olá....gostaria de saber se alguém fala português e se pode me ajudar?? |
| 22:36.43 | goron | pjz: And I meant that firefox is *deleted*. |
| 22:36.47 | stew | !br |
| 22:36.48 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:36.48 | Trixsey|Laptop | goron: theuy couldnt solve my problem anyways |
| 22:36.50 | eegore | Fortunatly it is the only KDE package I use so if something goes buggy, is should not cause too much trouble |
| 22:36.51 | snozle | hello, I've just instlled my first debian system on my laptop (coming from mandriva). I got everything working, but for some reason the mouse cursor won't move. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:36.57 | goron | pjz: The problem is not that got extra stuff. |
| 22:37.03 | pjz | goron: oh, well, I dunno aptitude. |
| 22:37.35 | pjz | goron: you said 'Why is it that when I install something via apt-get and then do an upgrade, I ue logs of packages'. Which 1) says you use apt-get and 2) is about installation not deletion. |
| 22:37.55 | stew | snozle: which mouse device did you chose for x? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:38.00 | goron | Trixsey|Laptop: What is the problem? If nobody in #math could solve it, it must be interesting. /msg if you like. |
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| 22:38.13 | snozle | stew: I chose /dev/ttys0 |
| 22:38.21 | stew | snozle: you have a serial mouse? |
| 22:38.21 | snozle | it's a sony vaio pcg-f580 |
| 22:38.26 | goron | pjz: Yes, but the upgrade deletes packages. |
| 22:38.27 | snozle | no, it's a trackpad |
| 22:38.40 | stew | snozle: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:38.49 | pjz | goron: it should just overwrite, not delete. |
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| 22:38.59 | pjz | goron: unless there's some conflicts or something. |
| 22:39.08 | snozle | stew: How do I boot into command line? |
| 22:39.10 | Sonny | hello, what package do I need to use make-kpkg? |
| 22:39.10 | Sonny | * sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at |
| 22:39.18 | stew | snozle: hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 22:39.28 | meli | hola |
| 22:39.36 | stew | snozle: and ctrl-alt-f7 will get you back to x |
| 22:39.37 | meli | alguien habla español |
| 22:39.42 | stew | !es |
| 22:39.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:39.50 | haqa | goron: try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:40.04 | snozle | stew: uname -r yeilds 2.3.27-2-686 |
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| 22:40.13 | Sonny | yo meli q pasa? |
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| 22:40.25 | goron | haqa: I did that. |
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| 22:40.39 | goron | haqa: But somehow after such an upgrade I always loose vital packages. |
| 22:40.50 | stew | snozle: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and select "/dev/psaux" for you mouse device. if you want to use the touchpad features such as tap-to-click /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 22:40.54 | funkja | hello |
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| 22:40.58 | funkja | hello |
| 22:41.01 | pjz | Sonny: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 22:41.30 | haqa | goron: you were running unstable? |
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| 22:41.48 | Zebbrino | qualcuno è italiano? |
| 22:41.54 | stew | !it |
| 22:41.54 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:41.56 | goron | haqa: yes |
| 22:42.15 | snozle | stew: it's asking for the desired x-server driver, not a mouse driver |
| 22:42.20 | goron | haqa: I'd like to run Stable, but it's too much pain to install newer stuff. |
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| 22:42.32 | stew | !widhe snozle |
| 22:42.36 | stew | !widhe |
| 22:42.36 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 22:42.37 | chrisq | goron: even with apt-pinning? |
| 22:42.38 | funkja | I just installed debian, i have a radeon 9200se video card and I cannot get my resoultion out of 800x600... anyone know what i need to do? |
| 22:42.48 | Sonny | pjz: I know, but I dont know what package I need |
| 22:42.51 | stew | !drxx funkja |
| 22:42.52 | dpkg | funkja: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:43.22 | pjz | Sonny: that is the package you need |
| 22:43.33 | pjz | Sonny: the package you need is called 'kernel-package' |
| 22:43.39 | haqa | goron: i had similar problems, i'm now using testing - there most of depencies are solved |
| 22:43.44 | Sonny | pjz: Ohh thank you |
| 22:43.51 | stew | funkja: which driver are you using? in general, if you ahve the right driver, it means you have put incorrect refresh rates for your monitor |
| 22:44.15 | snozle | stew: alright, I selected /dev/psaux now it's asking me to "choose the entry that best describes your mouse" |
| 22:44.29 | funkja | I don't know what driver I have... it asked me what chipset my videocard was and i selected ATI and that was all the options I had |
| 22:44.30 | stew | intellimouse/imps/2 |
| 22:44.31 | snozle | stew: options are ps/2 imps/2 glidepointps/2 etc |
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| 22:44.48 | snozle | stew: that option is not there |
| 22:44.55 | goron | chrisq: That's where you set preferences for each package, right? I didn't use it too long, but maybe I'd better done that. |
| 22:44.57 | snozle | imps/2 is there |
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| 22:45.01 | snozle | but not intellimouse |
| 22:45.06 | devicenull | I'm having major problems with my system.. it seems like every day it un-associates with the wireless access point |
| 22:45.08 | stew | snozle: same thing |
| 22:45.12 | devicenull | and wont re-associate with it |
| 22:45.37 | devicenull | and since it doesnt have a monitor/keyboard, I have to go hard-reset it |
| 22:46.00 | devicenull | any suggestions? |
| 22:46.04 | eegore | well it is still not ready for prime time but that is a small issue with device detection |
| 22:46.06 | funkja | the dpk reconfigure xserver... etc takes me to the screen where i can select my video card... it was already set to ATI, does it need to be something else? |
| 22:46.21 | snozle | stew: sorry to bother you with another question, but the display looked terrible also, it's a laptop monitor (LCD) and the res is 1024x768, should I use 60Hz? |
| 22:46.23 | merak | !tell devicenull about ask |
| 22:46.33 | snozle | or 70, or 75 |
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| 22:46.53 | merak | devicenull: What version of debian? |
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| 22:47.02 | stew | snozle: likely your monitor only supports 60, you should find out |
| 22:47.12 | merak | funkja: I would select "vesa" if I were you. |
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| 22:47.33 | devicenull | I'll tell you when it finishes rebooting. |
| 22:47.37 | serioe | I have a problem somewhere. When I leave my system running for several hours idle, the monitor goes into sleep mode. When I return, the light on the monitor stays orange and it will not come out of sleep mode or whatever it is in. I have to reboot. Can someone suggest something? |
| 22:47.39 | linux_learner | i need a site thats like pbone.rpm. does debian have such a thing? |
| 22:47.45 | stew | funkja: no you should be using ati |
| 22:47.52 | deadcat | linux_learner: no |
| 22:47.55 | linux_learner | ok |
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| 22:48.03 | linux_learner | how do i find deps then |
| 22:48.15 | ronin | linux_learner: apt-setup |
| 22:48.15 | snozle | stew: alright, i'm rebooting, I'll let you know if all goes well |
| 22:48.16 | linux_learner | i aint using debian, but writting a howto |
| 22:48.21 | ronin | ahh |
| 22:48.28 | linux_learner | http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?wakka=SmartInstallation |
| 22:48.34 | merak | linux_learner: You don't need a site like that, you just need apt. |
| 22:48.35 | ronin | so how do you right a how too on something you dont use? |
| 22:48.52 | linux_learner | makes it kinda hard when i dont have a deb system |
| 22:48.54 | merak | linux_learner: ronin has an excellent point. |
| 22:48.55 | napoleao | I dont have apt-setup and I have installed base-config |
| 22:49.04 | xerophyte | I have webserver with mysql + apache + php .. the load is always 3.0 and above .. i have tweaked apache and mysql reading so many optimization stuff .. but the load stays same .. the server is Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz with 2G ram .. there is 2G swap which not use.. so the memory okay ..why am i getting that much load any help will be good .. how can i determin what casing the load |
| 22:49.07 | linux_learner | i just need to find the package names of a few deps |
| 22:49.08 | merak | napoleao: Are you using unstable? |
| 22:49.09 | stew | napoleao: what version of debian? |
| 22:49.11 | napoleao | yes |
| 22:49.17 | napoleao | sarge unstable |
| 22:49.18 | merak | !tell napoleao about unstable |
| 22:49.19 | borstel | sorry can anybody help me with problem with the X server after installing vmware-tools ? |
| 22:49.24 | stew | napoleao: there is no base-confi / apt-setup in unstable |
| 22:49.36 | merak | napoleao: There is no such thing as "sarge unstable" unstable is _unstable_ or nick named sid |
| 22:49.39 | linux_learner | its an aplication that i know rather well, and the app works the same in any distro |
| 22:49.41 | devicenull | its 2.4.27-2-386, stable |
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| 22:49.47 | napoleao | ok did not know thanks |
| 22:49.58 | merak | napoleao: If you are going to use the developer branc of debian, for developers, you don't have the luxury of things like apt-setup |
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| 22:50.14 | ronin | linux_learner: just install debian and write the how to as you go |
| 22:50.19 | linux_learner | so again, all i need is the package name of the deps |
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| 22:50.34 | stew | merak: and in the next release of debian it's possible nobody will have the luxury of apt-setup |
| 22:50.35 | linux_learner | i only have 1 production system |
| 22:50.41 | haqa | borstel: what happend to your x-server? |
| 22:51.04 | snozle | Stew: thanks, it now looks excellent, however, the mouse is extremely jumpy |
| 22:51.09 | merak | stew: eh, netselect-apt > apt-setup |
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| 22:51.14 | merak | or apt-spy > apt-setup |
| 22:51.27 | serioe | Can anyone tell me why my system won't come out of sleep mode after it is idle? I am forced to reboot the machine everytime. |
| 22:51.32 | stew | linux_learner: if you are talking about a debian package, if it's well formed, you don't need to know anything about the dependencies, it all should be automatic |
| 22:51.38 | merak | serioe: Did you hit the space bar? |
| 22:51.42 | stew | snozle: man xset |
| 22:51.42 | linux_learner | yes, i know |
| 22:51.43 | devicenull | I'm running stable, 2.4.27-2-386, and the systems wireless connection seems to go down and not come back up at least once a day.. I'm not exactly sure if there's any way to make it come back up by itself |
| 22:51.50 | merak | linux_learner: What is your how to on? |
| 22:51.51 | linux_learner | but still a package has depends |
| 22:52.02 | linux_learner | its on the smart package manager |
| 22:52.05 | eegore | k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry. does anyone have a clue as to the problem here? |
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| 22:52.18 | ronin | linux_learner: correct so youd go apt-get install mozilla-firefox and watch it install firefox and the needed deps |
| 22:52.22 | linux_learner | http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?wakka=SmartInstallation |
| 22:52.35 | linux_learner | yeah i know, i have used apt b4 |
| 22:52.44 | linux_learner | but those are rpm for me |
| 22:52.48 | deadcat | linux_learner: seems like you're hear to promote your link. |
| 22:52.50 | merak | ahh, a SuSe user...that explains all these *cough* unusual *cough* questions. |
| 22:52.52 | linux_learner | i know how apt works |
| 22:52.53 | merak | !start a distro war |
| 22:52.53 | dpkg | Knoppix rocks! |
| 22:52.59 | linux_learner | i just dont have deb |
| 22:53.02 | linux_learner | no lets not |
| 22:53.04 | ronin | linux_learner: then what are you asking? |
| 22:53.07 | linux_learner | i just need the deps |
| 22:53.14 | croddy | apt takes care of all the deps |
| 22:53.16 | croddy | that is why we use it |
| 22:53.24 | deadcat | linux_learner: define deps, that can mean anything. |
| 22:53.25 | linux_learner | smart is written in python and the gui is gtk |
| 22:53.29 | croddy | so don't use it |
| 22:53.45 | linux_learner | so i know, its going to depend on python and gtk2 |
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| 22:54.03 | linux_learner | and GLIBC |
| 22:54.11 | linux_learner | i know those 3 |
| 22:54.18 | deadcat | and the kernel |
| 22:54.27 | linux_learner | what i dont know are the package names of the others |
| 22:54.30 | ronin | point is linux_learner you dont need to know the 4000 deps to install something in debian |
| 22:54.40 | linux_learner | i dont need all 4000 deps |
| 22:54.45 | linux_learner | just those for smart |
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| 22:55.02 | linux_learner | take a look at my page and you'll see what i'm doing |
| 22:55.07 | linux_learner | http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?wakka=SmartInstallation |
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| 22:55.34 | devicenull | Ideally, I'd like to find a program that can ping say, my access point once a minute, and if it doesnt get a response, do "ifdown rausb0; ifup rausb0" to reassociate |
| 22:55.42 | deadcat | linux_learner: python2.3 libc6 python2.3-pycurl |
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| 22:55.49 | deadcat | python2.3-gtk2 python2.3-pexpect |
| 22:55.50 | merak | !tell linux_learner about rfp |
| 22:55.54 | croddy | linux_learner: this sounds like an awful lot of trouble compared to APT |
| 22:55.59 | ronin | or apt-get install smart ;) |
| 22:56.05 | borstel | it didn't find a mouse anymore... I get these Errors in the XF*.log |
| 22:56.05 | borstel | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/mouse |
| 22:56.05 | borstel | (EE) Mouse1: cannot open input device |
| 22:56.05 | borstel | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Mouse1" |
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| 22:56.24 | edgarrod_ | How can I connect a Winmodem with debian? |
| 22:56.28 | linux_learner | croddy, its actually not |
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| 22:56.34 | linux_learner | i'm just thorough |
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| 22:56.35 | deadcat | edgarrod_: pray |
| 22:56.41 | edgarrod_ | hahahaha |
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| 22:56.44 | nkuttler | devicenull: script it |
| 22:56.47 | deadcat | linux_learner: i gave you the list. |
| 22:56.50 | edgarrod_ | how...? |
| 22:57.00 | devicenull | nkuttler, if I knew how, I would. |
| 22:57.00 | linux_learner | ty deadcat |
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| 22:57.12 | devicenull | but I dont exactly know bash scripting enough to do it |
| 22:57.31 | deadcat | anyone using xcompmgr on unstable yet? |
| 22:57.37 | nkuttler | devicenull: umm... man ping and read the bash scripting howto |
| 22:57.52 | croddy | deadcat: yeah, what's up? |
| 22:57.59 | edgarrod_ | well, if that question is not available, I got another one... |
| 22:58.11 | deadcat | croddy: i have root-tail running, but it outputs text right on top of previous text |
| 22:58.26 | deadcat | croddy: want to see how it looks like? everything seems working great but that. |
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| 22:58.39 | croddy | deadcat: just a moment, let me install it and see |
| 22:58.51 | deadcat | croddy: k. thanks |
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| 22:59.14 | evo | hi, is someone here using the rt2570 wireless driver on unstable? |
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| 23:00.14 | edgarrod_ | I have an ADSL router... connected to this PC, I have a static IP, how can I bridge it so I can be public available? |
| 23:00.30 | edgarrod_ | I've tried every configuration on that but no luck :( |
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| 23:01.06 | croddy | deadcat: well, i can't get root-tail to run at all... sorry, no help here |
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| 23:01.24 | deadcat | croddy: why not? |
| 23:01.32 | deadcat | just tail a junk file and feed to that |
| 23:01.48 | croddy | deadcat: yeah, some error about bad window parameters. |
| 23:02.23 | deadcat | croddy: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/ROOT-TAIL just change the font |
| 23:02.43 | Steven_6040 | edgarrod_, you need to read about NAT |
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| 23:02.57 | IdahoEv | what's a CLI command to show all *except* the first n lines of a file? (the opposite of head) |
| 23:03.07 | Steven_6040 | IdahoEv, tail ? |
| 23:03.15 | chrisq | goron: thats when you set up apt to use one as default, and can install packages from others (unstable,testiD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dng) |
| 23:03.16 | nkuttler | IdahoEv: wc + tail |
| 23:03.20 | deadcat | croddy: wtf. you on ubuntu? |
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| 23:03.29 | IdahoEv | Steven: except i need it to count from the top, not the bottom |
| 23:03.37 | croddy | deadcat: no, sid amd64. sorry |
| 23:03.40 | goron | chrisq: what characters are that? |
| 23:03.54 | deadcat | croddy: oh.. someone just checked that link with an ubuntu firefox.. |
| 23:03.55 | chrisq | goron: connection fucked up |
| 23:04.16 | IdahoEv | nkuttler: i need it to work in a pipe, though |
| 23:04.34 | haqa | edgarrod_: about windmodems: there are some supported winmodes, look at http://www.linmodems.org |
| 23:04.36 | nkuttler | IdahoEv: um... throw perl at it? |
| 23:04.44 | IdahoEv | like this: faxstat -s | "command that shows everything from line 4 on" |
| 23:04.50 | nkuttler | IdahoEv: or your favority scripting language |
| 23:04.58 | Supaplex | how can I setup lpr to email back a pdf for say -PPDF ? |
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| 23:05.03 | deadcat | 200.35.35.215 <-- using ubuntu in this channel. kick him (= |
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| 23:05.17 | IdahoEv | nkuttler: yeah, that's what i'll do. Was hoping there was an obvious CLI program i didn't know. :-) |
| 23:05.23 | IdahoEv | thx... |
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| 23:05.59 | deadcat | croddy: you got xcompmgr and transset from experimental ya? |
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| 23:06.17 | goron | chrisq: try again |
| 23:06.19 | croddy | deadcat, it appears so |
| 23:06.23 | deadcat | k |
| 23:06.32 | IdahoEv | nkittler: someone on #linuxhelp just found an answer. tail +n will show all but the first (n-1) lines of a stream |
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| 23:06.52 | m1ke_l | is there any way to change the volume without amixer or alsamixer? |
| 23:07.00 | bbrazil | setmixer? |
| 23:07.13 | nkuttler | IdahoEv: awesome. you never stop to learn :) |
| 23:07.20 | m1ke_l | doesnt seem to work |
| 23:07.57 | Trixsey|Laptop | http://nanosync.org/open1/view.php?id=19 |
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| 23:09.08 | rend | my sound works for some apps in x11. but should i have some stuff in proc/asound? it appears that my sound card isnt setup under /dev/dsp |
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| 23:09.22 | chrisq | goron: it lets you easily use packages from stable,unstable,testing using apt |
| 23:09.24 | deadcat | croddy: working? |
| 23:09.26 | snozle | stew: The mouse gets to a certain point then jumps to the lower left corner, would that be able to be fixed by that variable or do you think it is a problem with the driver choice? |
| 23:09.51 | chrisq | goron: search for it, i'm sure there are pages that explain |
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| 23:09.58 | m1ke_l | i have given up on sound on my install |
| 23:10.33 | Arfim | Hi, somebody here knows deep underwaters of AMD64 and kernel compiling for it? |
| 23:10.53 | goron | chrisq: And basically the only way to go back to Stable is deinstalling everything and reinstalling everything with a different set. |
| 23:10.55 | starfishy | i run my own kernel on an amd64 |
| 23:10.58 | stew | snozle: you could try the synaptics driver, /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 23:10.59 | starfishy | its a 32 bit kernel though |
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| 23:11.06 | starfishy | what do you need to know? |
| 23:11.45 | Arfim | hi starfishy, well, everything begins when I try to compile it |
| 23:11.57 | starfishy | what specifically? |
| 23:12.05 | starfishy | how do you change the configuration anyway? |
| 23:12.08 | Arfim | wait a sec, I'll reopen console |
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| 23:12.48 | Arfim | cc1: error: code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
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| 23:13.43 | starfishy | did you try to configure the kernel as 64 bit and then switch to 32 bit? |
| 23:13.52 | Arfim | how do i make it |
| 23:13.55 | starfishy | remove the .config file |
| 23:14.00 | starfishy | then make oldconfig |
| 23:14.04 | starfishy | and then make menuconfig |
| 23:14.14 | starfishy | then make-kpkg buildpackage |
| 23:14.26 | Arfim | I've taken config file supplied with original debian kernel for amd 64 |
| 23:14.39 | starfishy | then dpkg -i ../linux-image*deb |
| 23:14.44 | starfishy | thats probably why |
| 23:14.58 | Arfim | wait, I'll try to do that |
| 23:15.01 | starfishy | the 64 bit mode has some config options that are not compatible with 32 bit |
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| 23:15.26 | Arfim | should i create kernel config myself with menuconfig? |
| 23:15.33 | Arfim | also everything from scratch? |
| 23:15.47 | starfishy | what are you running right now? |
| 23:15.54 | starfishy | 32 bit or 64 bit ? |
| 23:15.58 | Arfim | Linux h1.mj.inixop.net 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Sun Oct 2 20:03:22 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:16.01 | deadcat | 128bit |
| 23:16.11 | snozle | !widhe |
| 23:16.11 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 23:16.25 | smt | what's the easiest way to remove one file from a .deb package? I have a package made with checkinstall that installs a file I don't want |
| 23:16.35 | deadcat | smt: rm |
| 23:16.58 | deadcat | starfishy: (= |
| 23:17.01 | bleaked | is there a good printer guide one could refer to. (for setting up a standard home inkjet printer) |
| 23:17.02 | smt | deadcat, doesn't help much with conflicts with other packages |
| 23:17.03 | deadcat | showing it off eh? |
| 23:17.15 | starfishy | ok, so you are running 64 bit |
| 23:17.16 | deadcat | smt: --force-overwrite |
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| 23:17.26 | Arfim | i think it is not pure 64 |
| 23:17.26 | starfishy | but why and how are you trying to create a 32 bit kernel? |
| 23:17.32 | rend | how can i see which app is tying up my soundcard? |
| 23:17.33 | Arfim | hmm, let me explain |
| 23:17.38 | starfishy | no, but the kernel is 64 bit |
| 23:17.43 | deadcat | rend: fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 23:17.48 | Arfim | i wish to run vserver |
| 23:17.53 | smt | deadcat, ah it's -overwrite. I tried -conflicts. well, I guess that's good enough. thanks |
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| 23:17.56 | starfishy | otherwise it would be 2.6.8-11-i686-... |
| 23:17.59 | Arfim | so i installed 2.6.14 source from debs |
| 23:18.11 | deadcat | croddy: hows root-tail working? |
| 23:18.14 | Arfim | and vserver patch too |
| 23:18.25 | Arfim | i've patched obtained source and now i try to build it |
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| 23:18.38 | starfishy | what have you patched it with? |
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| 23:18.42 | Arfim | with the original debian config file for this kernel plus some vserver options |
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| 23:18.47 | starfishy | ah |
| 23:18.48 | Arfim | with vserver patch |
| 23:18.52 | starfishy | *nod* |
| 23:18.57 | csalad | hy |
| 23:18.59 | Arfim | nod? |
| 23:18.59 | starfishy | that should not have a bearing on this |
| 23:19.04 | csalad | what mean that?: |
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| 23:19.10 | devicenull | is there a short way to get a cron job to run every two minutes? |
| 23:19.15 | csalad | <pt-get install --ignore-hold --yes 'minisakk' ;echo RESULT=$? |
| 23:19.15 | csalad | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 23:19.15 | csalad | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 23:19.15 | csalad | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 23:19.15 | csalad | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:19.15 | starfishy | so the question is why does the compiler think you want to build a 32 bit kernel |
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| 23:19.22 | mith | devicenull: man crontab |
| 23:19.24 | Arfim | do not know :-( |
| 23:19.32 | Arfim | original kernel without patch produces the same error |
| 23:19.36 | starfishy | i got rid of the amd64 stuff because it was too finicky for my purposes |
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| 23:19.53 | csalad | so |
| 23:19.58 | Arfim | i've got a server with 2 amd 64 processors |
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| 23:20.15 | devicenull | mith, doesnt help. |
| 23:20.19 | csalad | i can't install any program, why? |
| 23:20.20 | Arfim | there were no intel servers in my area |
| 23:20.49 | snozle | stew: I found the problem, a very odd one at that... the trackpad works find as long as I am going in the right direction when I go left, the cursor automatically jumps to the lower left of the screen, any insight? |
| 23:21.06 | starfishy | arfim: i didnt mean get rid of the athlon 64s |
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| 23:21.13 | starfishy | just install a 32 bit debian on it |
| 23:21.29 | Arfim | no no, i've just explained why i'm doing that all |
| 23:21.30 | starfishy | the performance hit shouldnt be noticeable |
| 23:21.31 | rend | shouldnt more than one device be able to use the soundcard at once? |
| 23:21.39 | devicenull | because the easiest way I see of doing it, means I have to do 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc |
| 23:21.43 | Arfim | when i try to run 32 bit kernel it doesn't detect 2nd cpu and 2nd gig of ram |
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| 23:21.56 | csalad | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 23:22.02 | starfishy | arfim: that only depends on kernel options |
| 23:22.03 | stew | snozle: no, have you tried installing the synaptics driver? |
| 23:22.04 | csalad | what does it mean? |
| 23:22.13 | snozle | stew: I don't know how, sorry |
| 23:22.14 | Arfim | hmm... |
| 23:22.15 | starfishy | mine detects both cores and 3GB |
| 23:22.18 | snozle | do I use apt get? |
| 23:22.23 | stew | snozle: /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 23:22.33 | csalad | snozle: I? |
| 23:22.34 | snozle | i'm new to debian, i'm used to urpmi |
| 23:22.36 | Arfim | you mean that's are 2 different kernel sources? i was thinking it were just config options |
| 23:22.41 | starfishy | just install the 32 bit version and then build the kernel |
| 23:22.44 | Arfim | whether it is 32 or 64 |
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| 23:22.51 | snozle | csalad: ..? |
| 23:22.54 | Azar | snozle you have to read and learn about apt |
| 23:22.55 | starfishy | no, there is only one kernel source tree |
| 23:23.00 | csalad | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 23:23.01 | starfishy | but the config options are different |
| 23:23.03 | csalad | ? |
| 23:23.05 | stew | !tell snozle about synaptics |
| 23:23.13 | starfishy | so if you use a prebuilt kernel it may or may not have the options you need |
| 23:23.34 | starfishy | my machine runs a 32 bit kernel but both cores and 3 gb of ram are recognized |
| 23:23.42 | snozle | stew: I read about synaptics, but it says "or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics" |
| 23:24.10 | Arfim | are there any performance improvements when you use 64? |
| 23:24.24 | stew | snozle: yes, apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics, stop x, modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse ; and restart x |
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| 23:24.26 | starfishy | they are there but not big enough to warrant the headaches |
| 23:24.46 | starfishy | with pure 64 bit id wait until they get the 64 bit distro rolled out |
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| 23:25.25 | Arfim | are they already at work on 64? |
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| 23:26.08 | stew | Arfim: yes, 64 runs well. there was an unofficial release for sarge, for etch there will be an official release |
| 23:26.14 | lightbright | i havent ran Sarge for 3 months! do I need to upgrade it to anything? |
| 23:26.28 | Arfim | stew: where can i read about that? |
| 23:26.33 | stew | !amd64 |
| 23:26.34 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 23:26.40 | resiak | lightbright: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; # there have been security updates |
| 23:26.44 | Arfim | LOL, thanks a lot! |
| 23:26.47 | lightbright | resiak: ok |
| 23:27.04 | lightbright | resiak: but I heard there has been released a major update for Sarge, true? |
| 23:27.18 | Arfim | starfishy, stew: thanks a lot! |
| 23:27.25 | lightbright | resiak: what does SID come out? |
| 23:27.28 | resiak | lightbright: Never |
| 23:27.35 | lightbright | i meant |
| 23:27.37 | resiak | lightbright: Yes, that'll be included in apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:27.42 | lightbright | wrong words |
| 23:27.53 | lightbright | resiak: is it big I only have a modem? |
| 23:28.00 | resiak | lightbright: Try it and see? |
| 23:28.05 | lightbright | ok |
| 23:28.17 | lightbright | resiak: whats the name for the next release after Sarge? |
| 23:28.29 | resiak | lightbright: Etch |
| 23:28.31 | resiak | !wwer |
| 23:28.31 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 23:28.53 | lightbright | resiak: ok thanks |
| 23:28.55 | lightbright | bye |
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| 23:29.15 | resiak | kthxbi etc |
| 23:29.30 | devicenull | is there a way to get _all_ cron jobs to stop mailing me |
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| 23:30.56 | snozle | stew: alright, I installed xfree86-driver-synaptics via apt-get, but none of the other commands work |
| 23:31.29 | stew | snozle: you are going to have to be more specific |
| 23:31.49 | snozle | stew: stop x doesnt do anything |
| 23:32.07 | Azar | new linux users: 10 things you should know about every Linux installation http://techrepublic.com.com/5102-10877-5960961.html |
| 23:32.19 | snozle | modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse says "can't locate module psmouse" |
| 23:32.34 | stew | snozle: do you start x with "startx" or with a display manager? if with a display manager /etc/init.d/?dm stop ; if with startx, then hit ctrl-alt-bkspace |
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| 23:33.35 | onweald_tim | Simple question (I hope). "man ls" uses "more" instead of allowing me to page up/down. Is there something I am missing? I installed a custom kernel 2.6.15.1. Is this the problem? |
| 23:33.36 | litage | i plugged in my digital camera and syslog said "usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2". how can i determine which device it is? |
| 23:33.47 | snozle | stew: it was /etc/init.d/?dm stop thanks |
| 23:33.49 | litage | onweald_tim: you probably want to set your pager to less |
| 23:34.12 | onweald_tim | litage: how do I do that? |
| 23:34.32 | snozle | stew: now the modprobe command gives me "can't locate module psmouse" |
| 23:34.45 | litage | onweald_tim: is the package ''less'' installed? |
| 23:34.52 | stew | hmm is there no psmouse module in 2.4 kernels? |
| 23:35.23 | funkja | I have recently installed Debian and i'm new at using Linux. My screen resolution is 800x600 and I can only change it to 640x480.. no other options. I have an Radeon 9200se video card and I have the ATI driver installed. What is wrong? |
| 23:35.28 | onweald_tim | litage: checking... |
| 23:36.05 | snozle | stew: don't know, what kernel version are you using? |
| 23:36.20 | snozle | 2.6? |
| 23:36.22 | stew | funkja: look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see why the other modes aren't being used, its most likely that you specified incorrect refresh rates for your monitor |
| 23:36.49 | litage | onweald_tim: run this to determine if a package is installed: dpkg -l PKG_NAME |
| 23:36.50 | stew | snozle: i'm using 2.6 on all my machines that arent servers |
| 23:37.01 | funkja | okay, let me check on that litage |
| 23:37.06 | resiak | !drxx funkja |
| 23:37.06 | dpkg | funkja: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:37.17 | snozle | stew: I was using 2.6 under mandriva, but debian's stable version didn't have that right? |
| 23:37.18 | stew | snozle: you might just try restarting x, /etc/init.d/?dm start |
| 23:37.25 | eeyore- | funkja: X doesn't think your monitor can handle higher resolutions. adjust vertrefresh and horizsync in your X config file |
| 23:37.27 | onweald_tim | litage: It isn't installed but I never needed it before. Everything worked when I was running the 2.4 kernel. |
| 23:37.28 | stew | snozle: it does, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 23:37.42 | stew | snozle: if you hit f1 on the boot: screen of the install cd it was an option |
| 23:37.45 | onweald_tim | litage: Is there some vesa driver that I should install to make this work? |
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| 23:38.08 | snozle | stew: should I reinstall with 2.6? |
| 23:38.10 | zenwryly | what packages do y'all recommend for wifi access on a laptop? |
| 23:38.12 | eeyore- | funkja: if you're not sure what your monitor can handle, install the "read-edid" package (i think) and run get-edid | parse-edid, and make the output block your main monitor settings |
| 23:38.15 | onweald_tim | litage: I can shift-pgup/pgdn so I think the vesa driver is installed. |
| 23:38.35 | stew | snozle: i would first just try restarting x now that you have the synaptics driver |
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| 23:38.56 | snozle | stew: it now works, thank you so much for your patience |
| 23:39.15 | litage | onweald_tim: you should install less. it's a much better pager than more |
| 23:39.26 | funkja | what do i use to read a log file? |
| 23:39.53 | onweald_tim | litage: Thanks. I'll check it out. If I don't like it, does it uninstall with apt-get remove less? |
| 23:40.00 | stew | snozle: you're welcome |
| 23:40.02 | onweald_tim | or something like that? |
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| 23:40.11 | stew | funkja: apt-get install less ; less /path/to/file |
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| 23:40.28 | snozle | stew: do you think that I should upgrade to 2.6, or should I just stay with 2.4 for now? |
| 23:40.40 | litage | onweald_tim: yes |
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| 23:41.32 | funkja | litage: what am I looking for in this log file? |
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| 23:47.35 | efugio | msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 23:47.53 | funkja | What would be my video card's bus identifier? |
| 23:48.05 | azeem | funkja: leave that field empty |
| 23:48.13 | stew | funkja: leave it blank unless you are on a mac or have more than one card |
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| 23:49.25 | litage | funkja: i've no idea what you're trying to do |
| 23:49.29 | stew | snozle: you might have better power management available to you in 2.6 depending on what cpu you have, the hardware support in 2.6 is in general much better than 2.4 for newer hardware. |
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| 23:56.43 | deadcat | damn xorg and the composite effects makes closing applications look good (= |
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| 23:57.42 | deadcat | this message "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" appears whenever i upgrade even though i did the 2006 key and the apt secure shits |
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| 23:59.30 | EdLin | deadcat: I have that problem too |
| 23:59.35 | deadcat | EdLin: yeep.. dont know why. |
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