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| 00:04.38 | ubuf | Hello guys, i recently upgraded to debian sid, im a programmer and gcc 4.x seems to be messed up for what im doing and i would like to revert back to 3.3.5. How do i completly remove all gcc files and then reinstall the later gcc 3.3.5? |
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| 00:05.21 | xp_ | I start my xwindows and my keyboard will not work, any ideas what I need to fix? |
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| 00:06.12 | starfishy | xp: the keyboard configuration in /etc/X11/ |
| 00:06.28 | starfishy | it is either in XF86Config-4 or in xorg.conf |
| 00:06.51 | starfishy | do you have a usb or ps/2 keyboard? |
| 00:06.57 | xp_ | ps/2 |
| 00:07.08 | _rene_ | ubuf: you don't. just use gcc-3.3 |
| 00:07.10 | GeenPorem | ps/2 needs a reboot |
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| 00:07.30 | _rene_ | ubuf: in any case, what is messed up for you? works fine. |
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| 00:07.46 | _rene_ | ubuf: oh, and note that if you do C++ you must use 3.4 or 4.0.... |
| 00:07.47 | AlexW | how do i manage partitions in sheell |
| 00:08.07 | ubuf | _rene_, vuln-dev, gcc-4.x acts very differently. |
| 00:08.15 | ubuf | i have gcc-3.3 installed? |
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| 00:10.19 | _rene_ | !installit |
| 00:10.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 00:11.39 | goron | deadcat: You are right. It does look cool. |
| 00:11.48 | goron | deadcat: not very usable, but it is nice. |
| 00:12.07 | ubuf | thanks |
| 00:13.42 | GeenPorem | Question: is there ne way i can install some package so i can send sms for free? internationally? |
| 00:14.16 | madradrone | AlexW: fdisk |
| 00:14.22 | merak | lol GeenPorem |
| 00:14.28 | merak | GeenPorem: if you figure out how tell me |
| 00:14.36 | GeenPorem | heh just checking :) |
| 00:14.37 | goron | Somebody give GeenPorem a clue |
| 00:14.41 | madradrone | AlexW: or parted, or sfdisk, cfdisk, etc. |
| 00:14.49 | merak | GeenPorem: Or if you know how to make free calls to land lines via voip tell me that also |
| 00:15.23 | GeenPorem | merak, i think ppl are doing that atm |
| 00:15.23 | madradrone | GeenPorem: many mobile companies have a web interface to send sms |
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| 00:16.12 | madradrone | GeenPorem: and usually provide an e-mail gateway. phone users can reply to the e-mails and they gateway back to mail |
| 00:16.38 | goron | merak: depends on your definition of free. |
| 00:17.07 | goron | merak: most cheap operators use voip for long distance calls. |
| 00:17.12 | Gnea | oh, whoops: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1016862844 2006-01-23 06:28 syslog.0 |
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| 00:18.08 | anapivirtua | Night all |
| 00:18.12 | GeenPorem | so what wuld be the best way to have an irc-bot send sms (for free if possible) Not an annoying bot, btw |
| 00:18.28 | Gnea | GeenPorem: what for? |
| 00:18.35 | GeenPorem | Planetarion |
| 00:18.36 | madradrone | GeenPorem: same way you would script anything to send a mail |
| 00:18.47 | Gnea | isn't that a pay-for web-based game? |
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| 00:18.58 | ClayG | what is a good apt-get'able RDP client? |
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| 00:19.00 | GeenPorem | yes, free round coming up tho |
| 00:19.09 | Gnea | oh yeah? when? |
| 00:19.16 | madradrone | ClayG: mysql or postgres? |
| 00:19.20 | sylvisj | How would I get my 5-button (two normal, two side, scroll) mouse to have all buttons work right? Scroll isn't working, and the side buttons are weird |
| 00:19.21 | GeenPorem | next fryday = tickstart |
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| 00:19.32 | Gnea | fryday? |
| 00:19.37 | madradrone | ClayG: mysql-client? if RDP is relational database.. |
| 00:19.42 | ClayG | im sorry |
| 00:19.56 | ClayG | I am talking about remote desktop protocol, a windows terminal service client |
| 00:20.03 | ClayG | something I can use to connect to an xp machine |
| 00:20.12 | GeenPorem | friday 27 2000GMT tickstart if im not mistaken |
| 00:20.22 | madradrone | ClayG: rdesktop |
| 00:20.46 | Gnea | ClayG: apt-cache search rdp has a few options |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | rdesktop |
| 00:21.02 | ClayG | thanks |
| 00:21.03 | sylvisj | People, I'm needin help getting my mouse working right. At the very least, how do I get my scroll wheel working? |
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| 00:21.09 | Gnea | GeenPorem: oh ok, thought maybe you were typing in leetspeak |
| 00:21.17 | ClayG | I think this is what I used on ubuntu, i just recently switched to debian |
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| 00:21.38 | GeenPorem | madradrone, how can i sned a mail to a phonenumber? |
| 00:21.55 | madradrone | GeenPorem: you don't |
| 00:22.11 | Gnea | GeenPorem: depends on the provider |
| 00:22.27 | madradrone | GeenPorem: check with the cell phone company |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | sylvisj: IMPS2 |
| 00:22.33 | Gnea | madradrone: if you don't know, then don't comment negatively, please |
| 00:22.46 | madradrone | Gnea: screw off i do know |
| 00:22.57 | Gnea | pardon me? |
| 00:23.00 | madradrone | Gnea: and noone sends a mail to a phone number |
| 00:23.05 | sylvisj | abrotman: Thanks. I'll give it a try. |
| 00:23.10 | merak | How do I call from Romania to America...what do I press on my phone? |
| 00:23.13 | madradrone | if you read what i posted above |
| 00:23.25 | GeenPorem | Gnea, there will be multiple international phonenumbers involved |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | merak: should be in your phone book |
| 00:24.03 | Gnea | GeenPorem: okay, so then you need to find out who the provider is and if they support SMS or not |
| 00:24.21 | Gnea | madradrone: don't be an idiot. |
| 00:24.43 | madradrone | Gnea: right |
| 00:24.51 | GeenPorem | Gnea, so what debian package wuld i need? (and after that the provider info prolly) |
| 00:25.38 | Gnea | GeenPorem: well all you want to do is have an irc bot send an email to a cellphone address, it wouldn't be any different than sending to a standard email address |
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| 00:25.54 | GeenPorem | ok |
| 00:26.00 | Gnea | smtp is smtp :) |
| 00:26.01 | madradrone | oh my god! that's what i (the idiot) said 5 minutes ago! oh my god! |
| 00:26.29 | Gnea | madradrone: your words were much more vague |
| 00:26.42 | GeenPorem | what does a cellphone address look like? check with the provider company? |
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| 00:27.02 | Gnea | GeenPorem: basically, they usually have their own setup for that sort of thing |
| 00:27.19 | madradrone | Gnea: maybe a bit |
| 00:27.23 | GeenPorem | ok |
| 00:27.34 | sylvisj | WHEE |
| 00:27.36 | sylvisj | Thanks guerin |
| 00:27.37 | sylvisj | err |
| 00:27.38 | sylvisj | Abrotman |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | sylvisj: ? |
| 00:27.52 | sylvisj | Scroll works, left side button now acts like it used to |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:28.01 | sylvisj | the only thing not working right is the right side button, but I can live w/out it |
| 00:28.39 | madradrone | madradrone: GeenPorem: and usually provide an e-mail gateway. phone users can reply to the e-mails and they gateway back to mail |
| 00:28.58 | madradrone | but he never asked about what the gateway was, prolly cause he doesn't understand |
| 00:28.58 | GeenPorem | ok, thanks alot both of u, madradrone and Gnea, ill can do some better research on the subject now :) |
| 00:29.09 | GeenPorem | idd madradrone |
| 00:29.14 | GeenPorem | sry |
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| 00:29.47 | Gnea | madradrone: that's a lot to assume. |
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| 00:35.22 | Nurbs | mhm, I myself would sometimes like a more transparent development process for debian packages. like an additional page for each package where the developers could write stuff like "the next release is just going to take some time" or "get our experimental stuff here" and such... mhm. |
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| 00:36.02 | alphy | anyone here wanna help me in burning a DVD? |
| 00:36.20 | psychonate | alphy, what is the problem? |
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| 00:36.46 | threat | hi |
| 00:37.05 | alphy | psychonate, i downloaded a torrent file of someone's home skating video. and I got bup, ifo, and vob files. how do I burn them on a dvd? |
| 00:37.51 | psychonate | alphy, have K3B by any chance? That would probably be the easiest way heh |
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| 00:38.06 | alphy | psychonate, why yes I do |
| 00:38.18 | Bayne | i'm looking for libdvdcss so i can play my dvd movies but i can't seem to find it. |
| 00:38.25 | odla | threat: do you have a question |
| 00:38.33 | odla | !tell Bayne about marillat |
| 00:38.45 | psychonate | alphy, I believe you can select something like "new video DVD" |
| 00:38.46 | odla | !tell Bayne about libdvdcss2 |
| 00:39.06 | alphy | psychonate, but, what files do I burn? all of them? |
| 00:39.10 | odla | Bayne: you could use the marillat repository or the script in libdvdread3 |
| 00:39.24 | Bayne | i tried marillat already |
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| 00:39.35 | odla | Bayne: try the script then |
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| 00:39.37 | Bayne | but i havent looked into libdvdread3 |
| 00:39.43 | odla | it's there ;) |
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| 00:40.23 | psychonate | alphy, yep. You need to have a VIDEO_TS folder, and then all those files inside it. I think K3B makes the actual folder for you, but I don't remembe for sure. |
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| 00:40.41 | psychonate | s/remembe/remember |
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| 00:41.27 | alphy | psychonate, actually, the torrent file made a folder with all the files in it so all I need to do is burn all of them on a dvd? |
| 00:41.49 | odla | alphy: i hope this isn't an illegal torrent ;) |
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| 00:42.26 | alphy | odla, nope, not to my knowledge |
| 00:42.28 | psychonate | alphy, but I thought K3B make by default make its own VIDEO_TS directory on the disc |
| 00:42.55 | odla | alphy: just try it and see if it works |
| 00:43.12 | psychonate | s/make/made |
| 00:43.16 | psychonate | ...or just leave |
| 00:43.23 | Nurbs | you can have k3b only simulate and create a disc image |
| 00:43.29 | Nurbs | and try playing that |
| 00:43.38 | odla | psychonate: you weren't quick enough |
| 00:43.45 | psychonate | er, it's not really complicated; I just suck at explaining things |
| 00:43.47 | Nurbs | actually, if you only want to watch it, you don't need to burn it at all |
| 00:43.59 | psychonate | you just need a VIDEO_TS, and all the contents directly therein |
| 00:44.09 | psychonate | Nurbs, true |
| 00:44.18 | psychonate | Nurbs, I hadn't thought of that, since he just asked how to burn it :( |
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| 00:45.39 | alphy | psychonate, hey, it actually made 2 folders, audio_ts and video_ts. do I need to put the correct files in the correct folders? |
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| 00:46.06 | buffon | helo |
| 00:46.15 | psychonate | alphy, the DVD you downloaded probably doesn't have any files that need to be placed in the AUDIO_TS folder |
| 00:46.35 | psychonate | alphy, I assume you mean that K3B shows two folders |
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| 00:46.59 | alphy | psychonate, yes, 2. how would I know for sure if there are no audio files? |
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| 00:47.30 | psychonate | alphy, does the dvd you downloaded have an AUDIO_TS folder with its files? |
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| 00:48.24 | psychonate | alphy, if not, then there's probably nothing you need to put in K3B's AUDIO_TS folder |
| 00:48.27 | alphy | psychonate, no, just a files with vidoe_ts and VTS_01_0, etc... |
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| 00:49.13 | alphy | psychonate, so just put them all in the video folder? |
| 00:49.16 | psychonate | alphy, alright, just put all the files in your video_ts directory into K3B's VIDEO_TS directory |
| 00:49.25 | psychonate | and I can't believe I've been saying "folder" :( |
| 00:49.31 | psychonate | I didn't even realize it |
| 00:49.54 | mischko | I have postgresql 8.0 on my Debian Sarge server and I'm finding that Martin Pitt has made a bunch of customizations to things. I want to change the log_ settings in the postgresql.conf file and it's ignoring my changes. Anyone here understand what Martin did to this? |
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| 00:50.52 | psychonate | Why the hell does he quit and then come back minutes later instead of just staying here? |
| 00:51.42 | dondelelcaro | mischko: that's because postgresql-8.0 uses subdirectories of /etc/postgresql to allow multiple versions to be installed. |
| 00:51.56 | dondelelcaro | mischko: change the configuration option in the subdirectory to what you actually want it to be. |
| 00:53.39 | sven-tek | is there a way not having a blinking block as the cursor - but a underline as the cursor? |
| 00:53.47 | mischko | dondelelcaro, there is one subdir under /etc/postgresql/8.0 called "main". In it is the file that I'm editing. psql -> show all; is displaying the values in the config file that I made but it's logging elsewhere. I suspect that Mr. Pitt's mods are overriding it at the command line somehow. |
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| 00:59.15 | dondelelcaro | mischko: the logfile is set via a symlink there which is passed using the -l option; everything else should be configurable using the standard mechanisms. |
| 00:59.16 | Nurbs | mischko: what did you change? |
| 00:59.21 | codeyman | any firefox 1.7 users here?? |
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| 00:59.46 | odla | ff 1.7? |
| 01:00.00 | codeyman | yeah on debian |
| 01:00.15 | mischko | Nurbs, plenty: http://rafb.net/paste/results/h1yG9p23.html |
| 01:00.36 | odla | 1.0.7? |
| 01:00.43 | Ugly_Duck | i have a tekram scsi card with a 9gb drive connected, when i done my debian install, i created a 50mb partition as the boot partition. does it have to be mounted in /etc/fstab first to boot? i'm getting 99 99 99 lilo errors |
| 01:00.49 | mischko | dondelelcaro, where is the -l specified? Do you know why it is done this way and not following standard PG practices? |
| 01:00.52 | stew | codeyman: that latest firefox released on mozilla.com is 1.5 |
| 01:01.00 | codeyman | oh soory i mean firefox 1.5 |
| 01:01.07 | codeyman | sorry |
| 01:01.16 | mischko | dondelelcaro, If I undo Mr. Pitt's hardcoding, it will break next time I upgrade. |
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| 01:01.51 | stew | codeyman: many many users of debian sid are using firefox 1.5 |
| 01:01.58 | dondelelcaro | mischko: the -l is specified using the log symlink; the -l itself is set in /usr/bin/pg_ctlcluster |
| 01:02.35 | codeyman | my firefox sopens mcdonalds.com automatically even though the homepage is different |
| 01:02.46 | Ugly_Duck | i'm trying to recover my system as it crashed |
| 01:02.51 | mischko | dondelelcaro, where do I specify a new log file in a way that it will find it? |
| 01:02.55 | gozz | could someone tell me how to get more than one sound to work at the same time? when i have music playing and i play a game while i burn a dvd with k3b like hours later when i stop the music the sound of the game plays then the k3b done sound is there a way to fix this? |
| 01:03.19 | dondelelcaro | mischko: you just make a file, and symlink the log symlink to it. |
| 01:03.19 | dvs | gozz: Use ALSA |
| 01:03.40 | codeyman | my firefox opens mcdonalds.com automatically even though the homepage is different |
| 01:03.46 | mischko | dondelelcaro, that's about as inflexible as a brick. I want the file it's logging to to change every day. |
| 01:03.58 | mischko | dondelelcaro, so do I change the symlink daily? |
| 01:03.59 | Ugly_Duck | any one? |
| 01:04.02 | dondelelcaro | mischko: then rotate the log |
| 01:04.08 | gozz | i had to get ALSA to even get my sound to work so i do have that |
| 01:04.17 | dondelelcaro | mischko: or use syslog, which is a much finer grained solution to the problem. |
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| 01:04.26 | codeyman | ?? |
| 01:04.28 | mischko | dondelelcaro, postgresql has facilities to rotate the log itself and I can't use them because of Mr. Pitt's changes? |
| 01:05.02 | gozz | i just used the apt-get install so it should be setup correctly right? |
| 01:05.29 | relajo | how can i setup telnetd so it only acept conection from the local lan |
| 01:05.33 | dondelelcaro | mischko: eh? I've never seen it's features to rotate the server log. In any case, logrotate is far more adept at doing that sort of thing anyway |
| 01:05.46 | odla | codeyman: that's crazy |
| 01:06.07 | odla | mischko: stop referring to Mr. Pitt's...we know what and who you are referring to |
| 01:06.29 | codeyman | i know and its driving me crazy too |
| 01:06.47 | sven-tek | gozz, with most soundcards you can not use arts, esd and oss at one time. if you mix applications its a problem. k3b over arts, a game over oss. who comes first blocks the soundcard. Read what soundservers are |
| 01:06.52 | Ugly_Duck | i need help? |
| 01:07.03 | odla | codeyman: he he...do you work for burger king by any chance? :) |
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| 01:07.24 | Kovecses | what version of gnome is in sid? |
| 01:07.29 | mischko | dondelelcaro, http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/runtime-config-logging.html#RUNTIME-CONFIG-LOGGING-WHERE |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | Kovecses: 2.12 |
| 01:08.54 | Kovecses | abrotman, sweet |
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| 01:09.29 | threat | odla, nah, I am just idling |
| 01:09.31 | codeyman | odla: Nope... |
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| 01:09.50 | odla | oh |
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| 01:10.07 | WaREX | HOLA TODOS HJOLA TODOS HOLA TODOS HOLA TODOS!!!!!! |
| 01:10.07 | WaREX | HOLA TODOS HJOLA TODOS HOLA TODOS HOLA TODOS!!!!!! |
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| 01:10.08 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: google should metnion that .. |
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| 01:10.39 | dvs | Uh oh |
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| 01:10.42 | Gnea | good ol' drive-by spam |
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| 01:11.00 | AlexW | lol Gnea |
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| 01:11.28 | odla | !mcdonaldssmite codeyman |
| 01:11.30 | dutch | Hey guys, silly question, where is my gaim directory? Like logs? |
| 01:11.54 | odla | dutch: dpkg -L gaim |
| 01:11.56 | dondelelcaro | mischko: if that actually ever worked, it should still work, since the only thing that is being set by the symlink is -l. |
| 01:11.57 | gravity | dutch: ~/.gaim |
| 01:11.57 | Nurbs | mischko: when exactly do you expect the changes to take effect? |
| 01:12.13 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1630 <-- Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 01:12.15 | relajo | how can i setup telnetd so it only acept conection from the local lan |
| 01:12.20 | mischko | Nurbs, when I restart PG of course! |
| 01:12.28 | odla | yeah yoshi won the race |
| 01:12.28 | sylvisj | !mcdonaldssmite |
| 01:12.28 | mischko | dondelelcaro, it is definitely not working. |
| 01:12.28 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: yeah, probably about a millions docs and will take about three months to find one little document that would help me |
| 01:12.34 | sylvisj | !mcdonaldssmite sylvisj |
| 01:12.39 | sylvisj | :( Oh well |
| 01:12.41 | dutch | odla, that's built into dpkg? Does it work for everything? |
| 01:12.47 | Cometa | adrian are you connected? |
| 01:12.58 | odla | dutch: for all packages installed via apt-get |
| 01:13.00 | odla | or aptitude |
| 01:13.07 | odla | or a .deb file...maybe..i'm not sure |
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| 01:14.11 | sylvisj | Bleh... http://channels.debian.net/paste/1630 <-- Can someone please read this and help me? |
| 01:14.19 | odla | dutch: dpkg the command not dpkg the bot...btw |
| 01:14.20 | dutch | Odla, awesome, thanks. |
| 01:14.20 | Cometa | see you |
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| 01:14.26 | odla | np |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: google "lilo 99 problem" |
| 01:14.35 | dutch | Yeah, got it. Worked out nicely, playing with it and looking at other commands. |
| 01:14.41 | dutch | I just need you guys to spur me sometimes. |
| 01:14.58 | odla | !abrotmansmite abrotman |
| 01:15.24 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: i am/have but the thing is, i'm using /dev/sda1 (50mb) too boot, /dev/sda2 is / (8gb) sda1 is not in /etc/fstab |
| 01:15.26 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:16.01 | Ugly_Duck | abrotman: to fix lilo, i chroot off a liveCD to /dev/sda2 and mount /dev/sda1 as /boot |
| 01:16.05 | Ugly_Duck | then run lilo? |
| 01:16.09 | dondelelcaro | mischko: then your best bet is to file a bug at appropriate severity using reportbug which includes both the ls -l output of your configuration directory and the relevant configuration files themselves. |
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| 01:16.17 | Ugly_Duck | but its saying /dev/sda1 is read only |
| 01:16.46 | AlexW | is sda sata? |
| 01:16.54 | mischko | dondelelcaro, I just email'ed Martin and I'll see if he gives me some useful feedback on how to do the config in a way that it will honor or else I'll file a bug. Thanks for the help. |
| 01:17.11 | sylvisj | *sigh* http://channels.debian.net/paste/1630 <-- Having a problem with apt, can anyone read this and help me out? |
| 01:17.17 | zenwryly | what do any of you recommend for graphical laptop wireless network connection setup when you move between lots of different networks? |
| 01:17.28 | Guerin | !tell sylvisj about repeat |
| 01:17.45 | sylvisj | Heh, the one time guerin shows up... |
| 01:17.48 | gravity | zenwryly: I don't think there's a really good one available yet in Debian. There's one that's not really stable yet that's being developed for gnome... |
| 01:17.58 | Arfim | Hi, I'm trying to compile kernel and get n file included from include/linux/thread_info.h:20... on make bzImage |
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| 01:18.15 | Guerin | sylvisj: what branch of debian? |
| 01:18.19 | sylvisj | Etch. |
| 01:18.27 | sylvisj | The only thing Wine will compile in w/out backporting. |
| 01:18.34 | sylvisj | Well, that's not true, there's sid. |
| 01:18.51 | seadogg8 | Hello I'm trying to get Java running on Ubuntu |
| 01:18.54 | Guerin | sylvisj: stuff changes. Try pulling that lib in from elsewhere, or using a different version. |
| 01:19.00 | Guerin | sylvisj: #ubuntu |
| 01:19.05 | zenwryly | gravity: what about outside debian? |
| 01:19.08 | Guerin | seadogg8: #ubuntu |
| 01:19.13 | Guerin | sylvisj: sorreh |
| 01:19.17 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 01:19.18 | gravity | zenwryly: Check apt-get.org for network-manager I guess |
| 01:19.27 | sylvisj | I have a newer version of the lib installed; is it possible to force the build-dep? |
| 01:19.29 | Arfim | Who knows what is the problem for these errors: In file included from include/linux/thread_info.h:20, |
| 01:19.29 | Arfim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.29 | Arfim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.29 | Arfim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.29 | Arfim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.32 | zenwryly | gravity: have you used kwifimanager? |
| 01:19.35 | gravity | zenwryly: There may be packages, but I don't know. Ubuntu packages for it may exist and may work in Debian too. The app isn't really ready |
| 01:19.38 | gravity | zenwryly: No, I haven't. |
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| 01:19.55 | zenwryly | gravity: k, thanks |
| 01:19.55 | Gnea | !tell Arfim about paste |
| 01:19.56 | gravity | zenwryly: I don't know anything about it, so try that first if it's available |
| 01:19.57 | dvs | !tell Arfim -about flood |
| 01:20.14 | gravity | zenwryly: fwiw, I do all my wireless stuff via a config file. It's not pretty but it works |
| 01:20.15 | Arfim | xhm, sorry |
| 01:20.25 | sylvisj | Guerin, is there a way to just force the build-dep? |
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| 01:21.19 | lucasjb | Can anyone tell me which version of gcc Etch's base system is built with? Or where I can find out? |
| 01:21.23 | Guerin | sylvisj: not really. You can try installing a different version and then building anyway - you can try to make it build without the proper deps. It'll almost certainly fail, though. |
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| 01:21.38 | Rubin | i'm trying to setup hosts.allow to block incoming mail from all but my subnet |
| 01:21.42 | sylvisj | Guerin: I've been told that this lib will work fine. I just can't get it to work :s |
| 01:21.43 | Guerin | sylvisj: the problem with that plan is that you need to install the build-deps manually |
| 01:21.46 | Rubin | but inetd and exim both seem to be ignoring it |
| 01:21.56 | Rubin | i tried exim: smtp: smtpd: etc |
| 01:22.01 | sylvisj | Guerin: Hmm. That doesn't bother me much, if I can find a list. |
| 01:22.10 | Arfim | Who can help me with kernel compilation troubles: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1631 |
| 01:22.14 | derek | I'm trying to install my usbkey and usbview says its detected and installed but its not appearing in gnome or in /media/usb |
| 01:22.22 | Guerin | sylvisj: it's in the debian/ dir of the source tree |
| 01:22.52 | nailbiter | lucasjb: It's built with whatever version the base 'gcc' package is |
| 01:22.53 | sylvisj | Guerin: Gonna have to be slightly more descriptive... the /debian/ dir of the 'wine source' source? |
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| 01:23.41 | lucasjb | nailbiter, OK thanks. |
| 01:23.48 | Ugly_Duck | so no one in here runs a small boot partition on any of there debian machines to boot from? |
| 01:24.27 | nailbiter | Ugly_Duck: I do--and I believe it's the 'recommended' partition layout for Gentoo installs. :) |
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| 01:24.37 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: just ask your actual question... |
| 01:25.01 | Arfim | Anyone, who knows here how to deal with kernel compilation errors |
| 01:25.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell Arfim -about ask |
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| 01:25.42 | nailbiter | Arfim: You need to be more specific; there are many ways a kernel build can fail |
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| 01:26.08 | odla | Arfim: paste your errors |
| 01:26.08 | mhall | kspath: http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ |
| 01:26.12 | Ugly_Duck | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to recover a crash, i have a knoppix livecd that has tekram scsi drivers, but i'm not sure what to do from there? boot the system, chroot to sda2 mount sda1 as /boot then run lilo and reboot? |
| 01:26.15 | Arfim | nailbitter: i'm using debian 2.6.8 kernel source installed from debs with vserver patch, here is it: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1631 |
| 01:27.03 | Purdy | i can't seem to remove a 'webmin-core' or 'webmin-apache' package - aptitude complains about a update.conf file not being there. is there some way to brute-force-remove a package? dpkg --remove leads to the same result |
| 01:27.04 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: pretty mcuh. |
| 01:27.04 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: mount drive, chroot; mount -a; run lilo; reverse process. |
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| 01:27.26 | Ugly_Duck | dondelelcaro: mount sda2 which is / then mount sda1 as /boot ? |
| 01:27.42 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: mount sda2 as /; then chroot, then mount -a; which will mount sda1. |
| 01:27.53 | derek | anyone know how to get a usb drive working? |
| 01:28.07 | dondelelcaro | derek: plug in drive. mount disk. |
| 01:28.14 | Ugly_Duck | dondelelcaro: ahh ok, sda1 was not in my /etc/fstab, but i just put it in there |
| 01:28.17 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've got usbms loaded, etc) |
| 01:28.24 | dondelelcaro | Ugly_Duck: oh; in that case, just mount it manually. |
| 01:28.59 | sylvisj | How would I go about forcing an apt-get build-dep operation? |
| 01:29.07 | odla | Ugly_Duck: you could use pmount |
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| 01:29.15 | odla | nevermind |
| 01:29.22 | Guerin | sylvisj: you don't, I already told you. |
| 01:29.23 | dondelelcaro | sylvisj: you don't force them; you fix the problem. |
| 01:29.40 | dutch | Does anybody off the top of their heads know where I can find my gaim messenger logs? I want to make sure that they work and have access to them in the future. |
| 01:29.46 | nailbiter | derek: If you have 'hotplug' installed, all the necessary kernel drivers should get autoloaded when you plug the drive in |
| 01:29.51 | Guerin | dutch: ~/.gaim/ |
| 01:29.55 | dondelelcaro | dutch: generally .gaim/foonick has them |
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| 01:30.02 | derek | when i try to install hotplug it uninstalls gnome |
| 01:30.10 | sylvisj | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1630 is the problem, which really shouldn't be a problem. Know how I could fix it? |
| 01:30.17 | Guerin | dutch: if they're not there, try ~/irclogs/ |
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| 01:30.32 | Guerin | sylvisj: why shouldn't it be a problem? |
| 01:30.32 | nailbiter | derek: Are you on Debian sid? |
| 01:30.41 | derek | testing |
| 01:30.49 | Guerin | derek: gnome relies on udev and hal, which replace gnome, |
| 01:30.55 | Guerin | bah which replace hotplug |
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| 01:30.57 | nailbiter | derek: In that case, install 'udev' instead; it supercedes 'hotplug' |
| 01:31.19 | derek | ok its installed |
| 01:31.23 | sylvisj | Guerin: I have libicu34-dev already installed, which that error (if I understand this right) says should work as a replacement. It isn't. |
| 01:31.25 | dondelelcaro | sylvisj: the package that whatever version of wine your trying to build build-depends; on an ancient version of libicu. Try building a newer version, or fixing the Build-Depends line. |
| 01:31.30 | derek | i dont know if its mounted or not though |
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| 01:31.48 | derek | "usbms" |
| 01:31.59 | derek | "usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)" |
| 01:32.04 | derek | ok, thats good |
| 01:32.12 | sylvisj | dondelelcaro: Might it be ignoring the winehq source and trying to go off a debian one? |
| 01:32.13 | dondelelcaro | derek: if you plug it in, and check dmesg; you'll see the device show up near the bottom |
| 01:32.32 | sylvisj | dondelelcaro: and if so, how would I prevent this? |
| 01:32.32 | nailbiter | derek: That's not the disk itself--just a listing of USB devices |
| 01:32.33 | dondelelcaro | sylvisj: why in $DEITY's name are you using the winehq source? |
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| 01:32.59 | row | is there a cli ftp client that can transfer whole dirs that anyone knows of? |
| 01:33.01 | Guerin | sylvisj: um ... why wouldn't it use the debian source? |
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| 01:33.04 | derek | I need to add /proc/bus/usb to fstab though right? |
| 01:33.05 | Guerin | row: lftp |
| 01:33.06 | sylvisj | dondelelcaro: It's the most up-to-date, and (from what I've heard), most capable of running WoW. |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did you go to the GPLv3 party at MIT? |
| 01:33.11 | row | Guerin: cheers |
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| 01:33.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes |
| 01:33.17 | sylvisj | guerin: The debian wine source is far outdated last I checked. |
| 01:33.27 | robin_z | imagine for a moment I have exim installed |
| 01:33.32 | nailbiter | derek: You don't need to do that--if you don't want to manually mount your USB disks, but have them automatically appear on your GNOME desktop, install 'pmount' |
| 01:33.37 | dutch | dondelelcaro: How do I arrive at .gaim/foonick? Still clumsy with the filesystem. |
| 01:33.45 | Guerin | sylvisj: but why wouldn't apt-get build-dep read the build-deps from the debian source package? |
| 01:33.46 | dondelelcaro | dutch: ls -l ~/.gaim/ |
| 01:33.53 | odla | can you use aim accounts on amsn? |
| 01:33.53 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://pictures.ebnj.net/gplv3conf/P1010281.JPG |
| 01:33.58 | Guerin | sylvisj: since the winhq sources won't even HAVE build-deps for debian |
| 01:34.00 | robin_z | imagine I still want my trusty /usr/bin/sendmail command for things ... |
| 01:34.09 | robin_z | how do I sort this out ? |
| 01:34.12 | derek | ah it comes up, thanks, appriciate it |
| 01:34.14 | dondelelcaro | robin_z: you mean /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 01:35.21 | dutch | fusspils: /root/.gaim/: No such file or directory, dondelelcaro |
| 01:35.55 | sylvisj | Guerin: The deiban source packages are incredibly outdated, the winehq ones aren't. I'm not sure, I'm just following the winehq instructions. |
| 01:35.55 | robin_z | dondelelcaro: do I? |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think i only recognize branden |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | of course .. i could mistaken |
| 01:35.56 | nailbiter | robin_z: exim provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail binary |
| 01:35.57 | robin_z | dondelelcaro: I do! |
| 01:35.57 | robin_z | ta. |
| 01:35.57 | robin_z | hmm I wonder if it works ... |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and uhm .. you're damn tall :) |
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| 01:35.58 | dutch | I don't know what fusspils is. |
| 01:35.58 | odla | dutch: are you running gaim as root? |
| 01:35.58 | odla | /home/dutch/.gaim |
| 01:35.58 | dondelelcaro | dutch: uh... you better not be running gaim as root |
| 01:35.58 | nailbiter | robin_z: In fact, that's the way you should manipulate the exim mail queue through the command line |
| 01:35.58 | foot | a while ago i was here, discussing cgi whiteboards with someone, who posted a great link that i cannot find now...anybody recall this? remember the link? |
| 01:36.31 | dutch | ls |
| 01:36.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's branden, me, gravity, and clint |
| 01:37.10 | Bayne | has anyone gotten cedega to work in amd64 debian? |
| 01:37.18 | dutch | HOORAY. |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i realized it was gravity after i looked at his shirt :) |
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| 01:38.15 | mhall | dutch: ~/.gaim/logs |
| 01:38.41 | mhall | what do you do to run a udev kernel and hotplug kernel at the same time? the packages conflict |
| 01:38.42 | Rekiem | Hey is there a way to configure the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 just as in Windows platform? I mean how can I get this driver work? |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | Rekiem: which version of X ? |
| 01:39.05 | Rekiem | Uhmm give me a sec. |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | X -version |
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| 01:39.32 | Rekiem | Uhmm I dont remember the apt command. How was it? |
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| 01:39.48 | Ugly_Duck | dondelelcaro: well, i done all that, ran lilo, looked successful, but rebooted and still got L 99 99 etc |
| 01:40.01 | jlj_ | what is the fastest/least cpu hungry way to copy semi-large files locally between two linux computers on an ethernet connection? |
| 01:40.06 | abrotman | Rekiem: X -version |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | ftp? |
| 01:40.29 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: are you saying that you just look talll because you're surrounded by midgets? |
| 01:40.30 | nailbiter | jlj_: netcat, I guess. :) |
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| 01:40.47 | mhall | dondelelcaro: did you give the names in L -> R order |
| 01:40.59 | Rekiem | abrotman, it is XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 20050601051219 fabbione@fabbione.net) |
| 01:41.06 | Nurbs | does someone know if the svn repository of the OpenLDAP package maintainers is publicly accessible and if so where? |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | Rekiem: you probably need xorg |
| 01:41.26 | Rekiem | Should I need to download it? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | !tell Rekiem about sarge xorg |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | Rekiem: if the i810 driver in X4.3 doesn't work .. try xorg for sarge |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | !tell Rekiem about xorg sarge |
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| 01:42.13 | Rekiem | Where can I get and test the i810 driver? |
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| 01:43.10 | abrotman | !drxx Rekiem |
| 01:43.10 | dpkg | Rekiem: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 01:43.51 | Rekiem | Uhmm I dont understand, I am brand new in Linux... |
| 01:43.53 | Rekiem | :S |
| 01:44.06 | xored | how to mount a CD iso, a *..bin file ? |
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| 01:44.24 | mhall | xored: alright, a meta-trick for cd images |
| 01:44.38 | mhall | xored: you google for <extension>2iso linux |
| 01:44.44 | mhall | xored: so... bin2iso linux |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | Rekiem: as root .. type `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` .. when it asks about the driver . choose i810 |
| 01:44.53 | xored | mhall: ok |
| 01:44.56 | mhall | xored: 9/10 times that's the name of the tool |
| 01:45.08 | Rekiem | Ok let me try |
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| 01:45.23 | dvs | Der's da man! |
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| 01:45.34 | Arfim | xored: mkdir /mnt/myiso; |
| 01:45.34 | Arfim | mount -o loop -t iso9660 your.iso /mnt/myiso |
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| 01:46.34 | robin_z | so ... sendmail foo@bar.com follwed by severl lines and then a . on a line of its own .. thats shoudl do it right? |
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| 01:47.36 | Rekiem | Wow how can I know the ID bus??? |
| 01:47.44 | xored | Arfim: i have a bin, does it matter ? |
| 01:47.51 | abrotman | Rekiem: leave it blank |
| 01:48.40 | Guerin | xored: if it's not an iso9660 image, it won't mount |
| 01:48.53 | Arfim | xored: AFAIK there should be no great difference, try it |
| 01:48.55 | xored | Guerin: i is not, he brings a fs error |
| 01:48.55 | robin_z | does exim4 normally install in a default working sort of way? |
| 01:48.59 | Arfim | Guerin says right thing |
| 01:49.02 | xored | Arfim: it doenst work |
| 01:49.09 | robin_z | or do I need to "do somethig" before it will send? |
| 01:49.11 | Arfim | what does it respond |
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| 01:49.27 | Rekiem | Maybe this a stupid question, but do you know the KB that the card use? I think is 128... Do you know it? |
| 01:49.35 | Guerin | xored: convert it to a 9660 somehow - burn it to cd, then rip it, perhaps |
| 01:49.45 | Guerin | or there might be a tool to convert them, I don't know |
| 01:49.58 | Ugly_Duck | fixed |
| 01:50.17 | Arfim | xored: here is utility named bin2iso |
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| 01:50.21 | sylvisj | Rekiem, video card ram setup? |
| 01:50.23 | Ugly_Duck | was the mbr... lilo -M /dev/sda mbr fixed it |
| 01:50.29 | robin_z | sigh .. I wonder how hard it is to replace exim with qmail |
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| 01:50.56 | xored | Arfim: but i dont want to "convert" it beforehands |
| 01:50.59 | dvs | Only? |
| 01:51.03 | Guerin | robin_z: hard ... and not worth it |
| 01:51.08 | xored | Arfim: is there no way just to mount it ? |
| 01:51.19 | Arfim | hmm... let me look, wait a sec |
| 01:51.27 | mhall | xored: no |
| 01:51.28 | robin_z | Guerin: sigh, I just wish I knew anyting about exim to make it work |
| 01:51.32 | xored | Guerin: is there no way to emulate it ?! |
| 01:51.39 | mhall | xored: linux does not have support to mount weird images |
| 01:51.46 | mhall | xored: on windows you may use daemon tools |
| 01:51.49 | Guerin | robin_z: to make it relay? should do by default |
| 01:51.52 | xored | "linux§ |
| 01:52.05 | xored | buddy, this sentence is a bit "strange" |
| 01:52.14 | xored | linux supports, what the community like to |
| 01:52.21 | xored | to |
| 01:52.22 | xored | too |
| 01:52.26 | xored | there is no "weired" |
| 01:52.31 | robin_z | Guerin: so just sendmail <address> on the comand line .. type stuff then a . right? |
| 01:52.33 | Guerin | robin_z: echo "this is an email" | mailx -s "this is a subject" email@add.re.ss |
| 01:52.40 | Guerin | robin_z: i don't know sendmail, sorry. |
| 01:52.54 | xored | or do you gonna tell me, that 1000x wdm are not "weired" ? |
| 01:52.56 | robin_z | its just a symlink to the exim binary |
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| 01:53.25 | Guerin | robin_z: i know. I don't know that syntax, though. |
| 01:53.28 | Arfim | xored: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net |
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| 01:53.37 | Rekiem | Como defino un raton por USB? |
| 01:53.44 | robin_z | for exim? |
| 01:53.48 | Rekiem | How do I define a USB mouse? |
| 01:53.49 | xored | Arfim: thank you |
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| 01:55.40 | emte | anyone happen to know how to assign a MAC to a device in debian? |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | Rekiem: /dev/input/mice |
| 01:55.52 | dvs | emte: You can't |
| 01:55.52 | Rekiem | should it work with /dev/psaux |
| 01:55.54 | dondelelcaro | emte: depends on the device |
| 01:55.55 | Guerin | emte: ifconfig |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | Rekiem: no .. |
| 01:55.59 | odla_ | my usb mouse is automatically detected when i plug it in the usb port |
| 01:55.59 | Arfim | dondelelcaro: hm, I just do not hide my ignorance ;-) but thanks for the tip |
| 01:56.00 | Rekiem | Ok thanks abrotman |
| 01:56.01 | Rekiem | :D |
| 01:56.05 | Guerin | dvs: sure you can |
| 01:56.10 | abrotman | Rekiem: you load the mousedev module .. and use /dev/input/mice |
| 01:56.13 | dvs | Guerin: In the interfaces file? |
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| 01:56.17 | mhall | xored: these formats are NOT standard formats |
| 01:56.19 | Rekiem | done :) |
| 01:56.21 | Gnea | abrotman: that's a device, not a port |
| 01:56.21 | Rekiem | Thanks |
| 01:56.32 | emte | Guerin, debian's ifconfig for some reason wont let me |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | Gnea: what? |
| 01:56.41 | odla_ | p\ |
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| 01:56.49 | Gnea | abrotman: he asked what port was a usb port |
| 01:56.52 | odla_ | Gnea: that was me not abrotman |
| 01:56.58 | Gnea | oh |
| 01:57.02 | Guerin | emte: hm, i'm just looking at the --help and it ain't there |
| 01:57.04 | mhall | emte: simple |
| 01:57.05 | Guerin | but it is doable |
| 01:57.08 | abrotman | !distract Gnea |
| 01:57.18 | Phated | ... |
| 01:57.20 | Gnea | abrotman: i'm being annoying on purpose, okay? :P |
| 01:57.20 | kelan | i don't want to spam my question, but i'm not sure if the netsplit cut it off. was my lvm question received? |
| 01:57.22 | Arfim | mhall: here is a way to mount bin files, I've found that out for xored. if you're interested too look at http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:57.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:57.41 | mhall | emte: ifconfig eth0 hw ether <mac> |
| 01:57.52 | mhall | Arfim: hmm |
| 01:57.56 | emte | dondelelcaro, its a Linksys Wireless G card which has the know issue of changing/assigning MACs |
| 01:58.11 | emte | sho it initailizes with a MAC od 0 |
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| 01:58.14 | emte | of* |
| 01:58.24 | emte | mhall, that doesnt work |
| 01:58.28 | dvs | emte: Heck you can set that in the router itself |
| 01:58.51 | emte | dvs, that is not useful |
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| 01:59.01 | Arfim | mhall: yeah, as far I could understand this is cd emulator which populates cdrom tracks or parts at /dev |
| 01:59.06 | emte | its the wireless scripts that have an issue with a 0 MAC |
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| 01:59.17 | abrotman | nvz_: you're hiding! |
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| 02:00.24 | adub | from a deb file how can i find out what i need to do to remove the deb file that i installed from my computer????????? |
| 02:00.36 | novent | does any use a good client to use with linux that acts something like M$ Virtual Machine? |
| 02:00.37 | jbroome | i think you need more question marks |
| 02:00.50 | Guerin | jbroome: definitely |
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| 02:01.06 | emte | mhall, using that it gives SIOCSIFHWADDR error |
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| 02:02.23 | Rekiem | Ok done. |
| 02:02.30 | Rekiem | How can I prove if it works? |
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| 02:03.00 | Guerin | Rekiem: do the thing you installed it for. |
| 02:03.24 | pawdro | to install kde i only have to apt-get install kde? |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:03.39 | odla_ | !win pawdro |
| 02:03.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, pawdro! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:03.46 | dvs | Doh! |
| 02:03.50 | pawdro | :o |
| 02:03.52 | pawdro | ;] |
| 02:03.56 | stumbles | hi, i'm trying to create a TAGS file of all the .php and .html files in the current directory (recursive). So far i have: find . -iname "*.php" -print | etags - |
| 02:03.59 | dvs | Win the Canadian one. YOu're better than what we have |
| 02:04.02 | odla_ | should say canadian pm |
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| 02:04.03 | odla_ | ha ha |
| 02:04.07 | stumbles | how do i also add *.html to the search? |
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| 02:05.16 | klaxian | hey guys |
| 02:05.34 | Rekiem | abrotman, is there a way to see if the configuration is well now? |
| 02:05.42 | klaxian | is it safe to have both debian testing and backports.org apt sources on the same machine? |
| 02:06.03 | abrotman | Rekiem: try to start X ? |
| 02:06.04 | deadcat | klaxian: backports.org is kinna useless if you use testing |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | stumbles: man find |
| 02:06.12 | odla_ | klaxian: yes |
| 02:06.14 | Rekiem | Right now I am under X |
| 02:06.16 | odla_ | deadcat: for ff1.5 |
| 02:06.19 | Rekiem | Ok let me go out. |
| 02:06.21 | odla_ | or a newer version of x.org |
| 02:06.24 | klaxian | deadcat: well there are some packages that have been updated in backports that are not in testing yet |
| 02:06.25 | deadcat | odla_: testing dont have? |
| 02:06.31 | odla_ | deadcat: ff1.5 no |
| 02:06.31 | klaxian | deadcat: ie. firefox 1.5 |
| 02:06.32 | deadcat | o |
| 02:06.34 | klaxian | odla_: yes |
| 02:06.40 | odla_ | deadcat: and xorg 6.9 in bpo |
| 02:06.45 | deadcat | 1.5 is so crappy anyway |
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| 02:07.01 | klaxian | odla_: so is it safe to have both? |
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| 02:07.17 | deadcat | and testings gonna get unstable pkgs in like 1-2 weeks anyway right? |
| 02:07.29 | odla_ | klaxian: yes...but you're best to ask at /server irc.oftc.net #debian-backports |
| 02:07.39 | Guerin | deadcat: if they have no bugs, and if all their deps have no bugs |
| 02:07.47 | Guerin | deadcat: no serious bugs, anyway |
| 02:07.48 | Nonsense | I'm a newbie but I'm getting a program configure that errors on ?checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no |
| 02:07.48 | Nonsense | *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found |
| 02:07.48 | Nonsense | *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in |
| 02:07.48 | Nonsense | *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the |
| 02:07.49 | Nonsense | *** full path to glib-config. |
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| 02:08.07 | dvs | !tell Nonsense about flood |
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| 02:08.08 | Nonsense | my mistake, I lost my head |
| 02:08.10 | Nonsense | sorry |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | apt-cache search glib dev |
| 02:08.23 | klaxian | odla: thanks |
| 02:08.28 | emte | mhall, aha it only works if you: ifconfig eth0 down hw ether <mac> i was using "ifconfig eth0 down" and then using "ifconfig eth0 hw ether <mac>" i guess debian requires it IN the command |
| 02:08.38 | odla | klaxian: np |
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| 02:10.32 | devicenull | I really need to know how to stop crontab from sending me mail |
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| 02:11.01 | deadcat | devicenull: rm the shits in /etc/cron*/ |
| 02:11.12 | devicenull | yea, except I need them. |
| 02:11.20 | deadcat | devicenull: then read the scripts |
| 02:11.25 | codeyman | crontab -e |
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| 02:11.33 | codeyman | edit the crontab file |
| 02:11.42 | quitte | sandbot: |
| 02:11.43 | deadcat | codeyman: i doubt its crontab -e |
| 02:11.51 | karsten | devicenull: redirect stdout to /dev/null. |
| 02:12.00 | karsten | devicenull: You probably *do* want stderr though |
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| 02:12.14 | deadcat | karsten: heard about the translucent/transparent stuff in experimental yet? |
| 02:12.24 | devicenull | hrm, thx |
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| 02:12.30 | codeyman | it is crontab -e |
| 02:12.35 | karsten | deadcat: No. |
| 02:12.38 | deadcat | codeyman: no its not |
| 02:12.42 | codeyman | it is |
| 02:12.47 | codeyman | i just checked it out |
| 02:12.57 | codeyman | it opens it in pico editor |
| 02:12.58 | odla | deadcat: translucent stuff with icewm? |
| 02:12.59 | deadcat | codeyman: for you yes. not him |
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| 02:13.09 | deadcat | odla: trusncent ANYTHING (= |
| 02:13.35 | odla | what's it for kde3.5? |
| 02:13.36 | deadcat | codeyman: ya. but thats when you make your own crontab, hes talking about system crontab files. which are in /etc/cron*/ |
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| 02:13.51 | deadcat | odla: xcompmgr+transset+xorg |
| 02:14.01 | jsoft | does the latest ( stable ) debian support open office? |
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| 02:14.04 | codeyman | well then u have to be root |
| 02:14.10 | Guerin | jsoft: of course. |
| 02:14.12 | deadcat | jsoft: 1. something |
| 02:14.15 | odla | jsoft: with backports |
| 02:14.22 | jsoft | odla: with what? |
| 02:14.24 | odla | oops...i meant for oo.org2 |
| 02:14.25 | deadcat | codeyman: he has root |
| 02:14.32 | deadcat | odla: maybe backports.org |
| 02:14.33 | jsoft | what are backports... why does it need 'backports' to run? |
| 02:14.36 | codeyman | oh k.. |
| 02:14.38 | Guerin | openoffice is in stable |
| 02:14.40 | Guerin | ignore him |
| 02:14.41 | kspath | !mhaulsmite matlab |
| 02:14.51 | odla | Guerin: he might want oo.org2 |
| 02:14.53 | jsoft | Guerin: is it a recent version of open office? |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | odla: that's not what he asked |
| 02:15.01 | odla | ffs |
| 02:15.14 | Guerin | jsoft: it's a version from about june 2005 |
| 02:15.22 | Guerin | jsoft: as with all other software in debian stable |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | maybe May 2005 .. yay freeze! |
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| 02:15.53 | codeyman | my new installation does not have c headers in /usr/include ... any idea where i can apt-get them ?? |
| 02:16.02 | mhall | !tell kspath about speling |
| 02:16.03 | peterS | codeyman: build-essential |
| 02:16.03 | dvs | codeyman: build-essential |
| 02:16.07 | deadcat | codeyman: c headers for what? |
| 02:16.07 | mhall | kspath: http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ |
| 02:16.08 | dvs | petemc: liar! |
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| 02:16.16 | mhall | !tell kspath about spelling |
| 02:16.19 | peterS | dvs: misspeller! |
| 02:16.24 | dvs | Doh! |
| 02:16.26 | codeyman | normal ones |
| 02:16.29 | codeyman | stdio.h |
| 02:16.31 | codeyman | etc |
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| 02:16.56 | deadcat | no clue then. not a programmer <-- |
| 02:16.56 | peterS | codeyman: those are in libc6-dev, but build-essential pulls that in along with C and C++ compilers and other stuff like that |
| 02:17.00 | cr3 | what do the letters "dd", as in the command, stand for? |
| 02:17.08 | deadcat | cr3: man dd |
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| 02:17.19 | peterS | cr3: I've always assumed 'data dump' |
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| 02:17.36 | cr3 | deadcat: we obviously don't have the same manpage |
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| 02:17.37 | peterS | cr3: certainly one of them is 'dump', the other might be 'disk' or 'data' or who knows |
| 02:17.54 | codeyman | peterS : I have c++... i will try apt-getting libc6-dev |
| 02:18.07 | peterS | codeyman: dude just install build-essential |
| 02:18.08 | kspath | deadcat: that is the same excuse they often use at M$. |
| 02:18.14 | deadcat | cr3: convert and copy a file... but cc is taken. so the dude went with dd |
| 02:18.36 | peterS | codeyman: otherwise you'll come back 2 hours from now asking why you can't get such-and-such to compile and we'll say "weird, build-essential should have pulled that in" |
| 02:18.51 | cr3 | deadcat: heh, nice explanation. I think I prefer it over (disk|data) dump |
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| 02:19.13 | codeyman | peterS :gee thanx.... that installed the header files |
| 02:19.18 | secher | Is there anyone experiencing display artifacts? I thought it was hardware, but 2 machines are doing it, with identical software configurations ( Sid with 10-minute-ago dist-upgrades ). |
| 02:19.18 | deadcat | cr3: well i follow the manage explaination (= |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | secher: and what got updated? |
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| 02:20.47 | row | Is anyone still having issues with k3b not valiating data? |
| 02:20.52 | row | bug report said it was fixed |
| 02:20.53 | row | :( |
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| 02:21.16 | secher | abrotman: it's been happening for a few days now, and I didn't keep track of what got upgraded when I did the upgrade that initiated the wierdness. |
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| 02:21.33 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | secher: check the bts ? |
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| 02:21.54 | Guerin | secher: i upgraded a sid box a few days ago, and i'm not seeing this |
| 02:22.06 | snowgoose | how old is sid? |
| 02:22.19 | dvs | snowgoose: forever young |
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| 02:22.27 | karrot-x | where do you set your default route table in debian sarge? |
| 02:22.29 | snowgoose | yeah ok |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | !tell karrot-x about interfaces |
| 02:22.34 | deadcat | snowgoose: ask a smart question or we just gonna give up a stupid answer |
| 02:22.53 | snowgoose | ok deadcat |
| 02:22.59 | karrot-x | abrotman: thanks, i figured it was in there |
| 02:23.01 | karrot-x | just wanted to make sure |
| 02:23.03 | secher | Hrm.... this is odd... what do I call strange rectangular boxes that appear next to windows, only on the root window? |
| 02:23.24 | secher | filled with pseudo-randomly shaded pixels. |
| 02:23.29 | secher | for bts that is. |
| 02:23.48 | deadcat | secher: maybe you've been smoking too much for today. |
| 02:23.57 | nailbiter | secher: Screenshot? |
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| 02:24.19 | deadcat | ^^ look at this bitch. dont have a smart question. |
| 02:24.46 | peterS | deadcat: that's unhelpful |
| 02:24.47 | dvs | !confuse deadcat |
| 02:24.47 | dpkg | Yes, who was their pineapple tomorrow, deadcat? pants of the monarchy of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
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| 02:25.01 | secher | nailbiter: one sec. |
| 02:25.08 | deadcat | peterS: what you mean? he came in ask how old is sid. and left. |
| 02:25.37 | deadcat | dvs: DONT confuse me! (= |
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| 02:27.02 | abrotman | !irritate deadcat |
| 02:27.02 | dpkg | deadcat: hi every1 who uses dvd hello? |
| 02:27.19 | deadcat | dpkg: no i dont use dvd. and shut the fuck up.. whore |
| 02:27.31 | NoRC` | If i can axs port 25 locally on my debian box, why would no one be able to axs it remotely? |
| 02:27.37 | adub | can someone help me figure out why gtk-gnutella wont connect out to servers but my emule does |
| 02:27.49 | peterS | NoRC`: the most common answer is that you're using a NAT router |
| 02:27.51 | karrot-x | NoRC`: because you don't have it opened on your network? |
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| 02:27.59 | odla | !irritate odla |
| 02:27.59 | dpkg | odla: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh grafixx windows U FUX0RZ |
| 02:28.02 | NoRC` | was working fine till a week ago |
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| 02:28.03 | deadcat | NoRC`: whats axs? |
| 02:28.07 | odla | ha ha |
| 02:28.11 | odla | what the hell is fuxorz |
| 02:28.12 | NoRC` | deadcat: axs = Access sorry |
| 02:28.18 | deadcat | NoRC`: oh. i thought you black |
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| 02:28.30 | peterS | NoRC`: next most common answer is that your ISP decided to block incoming port 25 so you'd have to pay extra to run a real server |
| 02:28.40 | NoRC` | hmmm |
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| 02:28.48 | NoRC` | dodgy malaysian bastereds |
| 02:29.07 | NoRC` | the box is co-lo hosted in Kuala Lumpur |
| 02:29.07 | peterS | NoRC`: well, I don't know. My ISP blocks outgoing port 25 for spam fighting purposes but not incoming port 25. |
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| 02:29.30 | peterS | NoRC`: well that's odd then. what's the IP, I can see if it's accessible from here |
| 02:29.31 | NoRC` | When i SSH into the box i can connect to smtp server... but from here i cant |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | peterS: that's a bit bizarre |
| 02:29.37 | Sander-nl | quitte? |
| 02:29.38 | NoRC` | 203.115.228.154 |
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| 02:29.43 | quitte | Sander-nl: yes |
| 02:29.44 | deadcat | NoRC`: passwd? |
| 02:29.46 | Sander-nl | what's the command to open PM? |
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| 02:29.57 | deadcat | Sander-nl: dont |
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| 02:30.49 | NoRC` | Its just odd cause its been runnin there since 2002 when i took it over and plugged it in, then last week bam... no more ability to send mail via the box. |
| 02:30.57 | NoRC` | I can send mail from the webmail client... |
| 02:31.01 | secher | nailbiter: where should I send the screenshot? |
| 02:31.06 | NoRC` | just not when using Outlook. |
| 02:31.08 | peterS | NoRC`: strange, indeed I can't connect to port 25. |
| 02:31.16 | deadcat | secher: you put in on your webserver. |
| 02:31.27 | NoRC` | Postfix & QPopper are running on it |
| 02:31.58 | peterS | NoRC`: possibly postfix is only listening on the 127.0.0.1 interface, but I find that hard to believe |
| 02:32.04 | peterS | NoRC`: since apparently it worked until recently |
| 02:32.08 | nailbiter | secher: If you don't have anywhere to upload the screenshot to, but have /bin/nc installed, do a 'nc hsa.snork.net 1111 <screenshot.jpg' (or whatever the file is called) |
| 02:32.16 | NoRC` | peterS, is there a way i can check |
| 02:32.25 | peterS | NoRC`: also, if that were the case, I'd get a RST packet rather than just nothing at all |
| 02:32.36 | deadcat | secher: if you are not running a webserver. put them at lynucs.org |
| 02:32.36 | NoRC` | sentinal:~# telnet 203.115.228.154 25 220 ns1.net-managers.com NO UCE ESMTP |
| 02:32.46 | NoRC` | thats what i get when im ssh'd in to the box |
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| 02:33.16 | peterS | NoRC`: netstat -lt | grep smtp |
| 02:33.27 | peterS | NoRC`: should say it's LISTENing on "*:smtp" |
| 02:33.34 | NoRC` | tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN |
| 02:33.34 | peterS | NoRC`: if it says "localhost:smtp" then that's the problem |
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| 02:33.49 | peterS | NoRC`: yeah so that's normal |
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| 02:34.20 | NoRC` | so the hosting provider has blocked port 25 or sumfin |
| 02:34.30 | NoRC` | *grumbles* |
| 02:34.33 | grew | sumfin? |
| 02:34.38 | peterS | NoRC`: that, or your kernel is suddenly running a firewall without your realising it |
| 02:34.45 | mfrisch | uknow |
| 02:34.48 | NoRC` | anyway to check? |
| 02:34.52 | deadcat | grew: hes black.. or watches too much BET (= |
| 02:34.58 | grew | hahahaha |
| 02:35.04 | NoRC` | who's black? |
| 02:35.08 | NoRC` | wtf is this black crap... |
| 02:35.10 | NoRC` | im Australian |
| 02:35.18 | deadcat | NoRC`: why you hate the blacks now? |
| 02:35.23 | NoRC` | i dont... |
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| 02:35.32 | peterS | deadcat: you're the one ragging on him for sounding black. why do *you* hate them now? |
| 02:35.34 | NoRC` | I just dont have any idea what black has to do with STMP not working |
| 02:35.35 | kspath | I am offended that the Aussie is offended. ;-) |
| 02:35.40 | zoinks | is it just me, or does the version of nautilus currently in sid just not want to browse smb shares? |
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| 02:35.41 | sandman | Why is it that when I install webmin @ Debian Stable, it tells me access denied when I try and use it from loopback?: |
| 02:35.46 | mfrisch | we should take him to the 'hood |
| 02:35.47 | deadcat | peterS: i like the blacks. (= |
| 02:35.53 | sandman | I can't use it from anywhere. It's access denied from all sources |
| 02:35.54 | dn4 | how do I get SSH to access a certain address? |
| 02:36.00 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:36.05 | mfrisch | THE blacks' |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | peterS: i think he hates everyone equally :) |
| 02:36.09 | peterS | dn4: eh? just 'ssh that.address'... |
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| 02:36.20 | peterS | abrotman: even the jews and the knoppix users? |
| 02:36.29 | mfrisch | ;-) |
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| 02:36.41 | nailbiter | dn4: Or did you want your SSH daemon to listen on a specific address? |
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| 02:37.19 | abrotman | peterS: probably .. i mean .. according to GNAA .. jewsdidwtc or some crap :) |
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| 02:37.31 | NoRC` | im going back to bed |
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| 02:37.37 | NoRC` | nite |
| 02:37.42 | dvs | abrotman: Oh don't quote those buggers |
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| 02:38.03 | nailbiter | sandman: You might want to check if webmin is actually running and listening on port 10000 (or whatever it normally is) |
| 02:38.08 | Guerin | dvs: heh. Buggers. |
| 02:38.13 | kspath | Gay Nation of Aussies Assoc? |
| 02:38.20 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 02:38.47 | deadcat | kspath: that australian black dude just left. else you would piss him off (= |
| 02:38.55 | secher | screenshot of artifacts: http://67.62.27.40/scrnshot.jpg |
| 02:38.59 | peterS | kspath: not too far off, actually |
| 02:39.11 | dn4 | nailbiter, I was wanting to access my files on campus and download the files to my computere here at home\ |
| 02:39.14 | abrotman | secher: you're watching the matrix ? |
| 02:39.22 | secher | LOL. |
| 02:39.23 | deadcat | secher: damn thats ugly |
| 02:39.27 | secher | I know! |
| 02:39.30 | Gnea | secher: ouch |
| 02:39.43 | deadcat | secher: maybe the video card? |
| 02:39.48 | peterS | at some point you just call it modern art |
| 02:39.51 | peterS | and live with it |
| 02:39.53 | nailbiter | dn4: Ok. You can use the command-line 'scp' program to copy files over SSH. You'll need to know the IP address or hostname of the source computer, though |
| 02:39.55 | Gnea | secher: what's your video setup like? |
| 02:39.57 | secher | <grin> |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | secher: i see the problem |
| 02:40.23 | secher | Gnea: radeon 9200 Pro and an Hitachi monitor. |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | secher: you gave your computer a stupid name .. and it's revolting |
| 02:40.29 | secher | abrotman: which is? |
| 02:40.38 | Gnea | oh, it's an ATI |
| 02:40.39 | Gnea | no wonder |
| 02:40.42 | deadcat | secher: maybe the the bgimage from that shit site that fucks it up |
| 02:40.43 | secher | Tha't sthe laptop. |
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| 02:41.14 | secher | I"ve been using that same background for *years*. |
| 02:41.17 | nailbiter | secher: It's most likely a bug in the video driver; perhaps you could drop into #xorg if no one here can help |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | or file a bug |
| 02:41.30 | deadcat | secher: so does alot of people |
| 02:41.31 | Gnea | secher: i'm kidding - what have you updated lately? |
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| 02:41.33 | secher | nailbiter: KK.. I'll head that way. |
| 02:41.40 | peterS | you know, x.org really needs to drop the dot |
| 02:41.44 | peterS | xorg is such a better name |
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| 02:41.53 | Alexandar_ | have ati even released linux drivers ? |
| 02:41.59 | deadcat | peterS: they own x.org right? |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | peterS: so the URL will be xorg.org ? :) |
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| 02:42.07 | peterS | deadcat: for some definition of 'own' |
| 02:42.12 | peterS | abrotman: maybe xorg.com |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | xorg.do! |
| 02:42.24 | Gnea | Alexandar_: apparantly they're behind on the new xorg release |
| 02:42.27 | secher | Gnea: trouble is, when this started, I didn't pay too much attention to what was being upgraded, I just scanned for things like lilo, and kernel, and gcc. |
| 02:42.30 | dn4 | nailbiter, do you know of a gui based instead of commandline based? |
| 02:42.36 | kspath | The Aussie could have used x.org as a tribute site for Malcolm! |
| 02:42.51 | Gnea | secher: are you using the e17 debs? |
| 02:42.59 | secher | Gnea: Yup. |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | that's not E17 . it's a mac! |
| 02:43.03 | Gnea | cool |
| 02:43.07 | deadcat | Gnea: by the way. whos working on e17 .deb? |
| 02:43.09 | Gnea | lmao |
| 02:43.12 | secher | shadoi. |
| 02:43.15 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 02:43.15 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 02:43.17 | nailbiter | dn4: If you use GNOME, you can use the file manager to browse remote sftp sites. |
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| 02:43.27 | Alexandar_ | any idea why when i force acpi on my eth0 dev isnt picked up? |
| 02:43.32 | secher | But I haven't upgraded those. |
| 02:43.42 | secher | Gnea: but I haven't upgraded those. |
| 02:44.01 | peterS | Alexandar_: who knows, no doubt a kernel ACPI incompatibility with some PCI bridge or something |
| 02:44.02 | Gnea | secher: that could be a problem too |
| 02:44.09 | nailbiter | dn4: Just use a URL like sftp://username@remotehost/path/to/files/ and the remote folder will pop up in a window. |
| 02:44.25 | Alexandar_ | and if i dont force it on , it doesnt pick up battery status |
| 02:44.29 | Alexandar_ | well it did |
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| 02:44.47 | Alexandar_ | via apm , then i installed some stuff and rebooted then that stopped working too =/ |
| 02:44.56 | secher | Gnea: good point, hadn't thought about a lib upgrade not being entirely compatible with the older ( 4 week or so ) E17 debs.. Hafta try that before I hassle x.org |
| 02:45.13 | secher | or a driver.... |
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| 02:45.16 | AlexW | hey |
| 02:45.26 | sandman | nailbiter: It is. |
| 02:45.27 | secher | You know... I'll check #e first.. DUH. |
| 02:45.27 | AlexW | how do i lock users in /home/user/ on ftp |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | chroot |
| 02:45.37 | AlexW | proftpd |
| 02:45.42 | sandman | I ran nmap -p1-30000 127.0.0.1 :) It's definately running. |
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| 02:46.18 | nailbiter | sandman: Is your web browser using a proxy? If it is, 'localhost' would refer to the proxy, not your local system |
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| 02:46.24 | AlexW | whre exactly do i put that? |
| 02:46.56 | scanwinder | how do i add a normal user into the admin group in debian? |
| 02:47.13 | sandman | nailbiter: No. |
| 02:47.15 | peterS | sandman: you know, nmap on localhost is usually kind of pointless, as netstat -ltu can tell you more or less the same thing a lot more efficiently |
| 02:47.25 | sandman | peterS: I know now, thank you |
| 02:47.45 | nailbiter | scanwinder: On the command line, something like 'adduser bozo admin' should work. |
| 02:47.46 | Alexandar_ | mkdir /home/<user> && chroot /home/<user> <user> |
| 02:47.52 | abrotman | AlexW: i'm 99% sure this is covered in the faq |
| 02:48.01 | Alexandar_ | ^ might work |
| 02:48.14 | Alexandar_ | dont blame me if it goes tits up ^_^ |
| 02:48.34 | Guerin | AlexW: any ftpd that doesn't chroot local users by default is *insane* |
| 02:48.37 | sandman | Alexandar_: Nice language. |
| 02:48.55 | scanwinder | Alexandar: the user already exists just want it to be in the admin group.... |
| 02:49.07 | Alexandar_ | sandman, language? |
| 02:49.10 | kspath | Alexander_: Subtle Brit much? |
| 02:49.11 | nailbiter | sandman: I'm not sure why webmin would be denying you access; is this a fresh install with defaults? |
| 02:49.12 | scanwinder | is there an admin group by default? i want to get sudo to work with my normal user |
| 02:49.30 | sandman | nailbiter: Yes. |
| 02:49.38 | scanwinder | and looking at the sudoers file in ubuntu it had the line "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 02:49.48 | Alexandar_ | @ scanwinder the thingy i typed was aimed at AlexW |
| 02:49.49 | klaxian | hey guys...i'm trying to upgrade a machine from sarge to testing and i'm getting dependency errors...but all the dependencies look like they should be solved... |
| 02:49.54 | nailbiter | scanwinder: Ubuntu allows sudo access to members of group 'admin', but Debian does not. If you want the Ubuntu behaviour, add '%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL' to your /etc/sudoers file |
| 02:49.55 | klaxian | any thoughts? |
| 02:50.16 | mrphreak | apt-get -f install |
| 02:50.18 | Guerin | there's no admin group in debian by default |
| 02:50.22 | Alexandar_ | kspath, subtle brit? |
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| 02:50.35 | scanwinder | do i need to creat the admin group then? |
| 02:50.38 | klaxian | mrphreak: tried that...udev breaks cause it says i need a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 02:50.39 | drp | what's another gui-less player like mplayer that is in debians package management system |
| 02:50.49 | kspath | Alexander_: Are you a Brit? Are you trying to be subtle? |
| 02:51.02 | Coweater | drp: why would anyone make another one, mplayer exists |
| 02:51.02 | nailbiter | sandman: I'm sorry, I wouldn't know why. It's a long time since I used webmin or poked through its configuration files. :-( |
| 02:51.10 | klaxian | Preparing to replace udev 0.056-3 (using .../archives/udev_0.076-6_i386.deb) ...udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 02:51.18 | Alexandar_ | brit yes , little slow yes , subtle? |
| 02:51.18 | drp | Coweater: because it's crashing when I open up this one file |
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| 02:51.20 | Guerin | webmin is horribly brroken |
| 02:51.25 | Guerin | that's probably why |
| 02:51.28 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 02:51.28 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 02:51.32 | peterS | klaxian: it means what it says - that version of udev won't work with earlier kernels |
| 02:51.37 | Guerin | read that mailing list post |
| 02:51.47 | Coweater | drp: it's probably a codec problem, check the error message |
| 02:51.48 | peterS | klaxian: it's been complained about loudly, but the maintainer insists that there is no better way to handle his package |
| 02:52.01 | klaxian | peterS: yah i know...but why won't it install a newr kernel when i apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:52.02 | klaxian | ? |
| 02:52.02 | AlexW | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.05 | AlexW | maybe :P |
| 02:52.11 | kspath | Alexander_: I am speaking the King's English. Use your nations dictionary. |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | Guerin: that was redundant |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | kspath: nation's |
| 02:52.19 | klaxian | peterS: i can't even apt-get install the kernel by itself now |
| 02:52.20 | Guerin | abrotman: ? |
| 02:52.25 | scanwinder | how do i add a group called admin? |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | Guerin: Webmin is ... |
| 02:52.30 | abrotman | Guerin: :) |
| 02:52.31 | peterS | klaxian: kernels have distinct package names so that you *don't* get them upgraded to new possibly broken versions without explicitly asking for them |
| 02:52.31 | Gnea | woooo, smb4k rocks |
| 02:52.32 | kspath | abrotman: good point |
| 02:52.33 | Alexandar_ | kspath, Queen's* |
| 02:52.43 | AlexW | Secondly, how do i limit the upload of FTP? |
| 02:52.44 | dvs | !wayttd scanwinder |
| 02:52.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, scanwinder? |
| 02:52.47 | sandman | Have you ever had aptitude remove packages, even though it shouldn't? Apparently it thought they "weren't used" |
| 02:52.50 | kspath | Alexander_: Oh there is a Queen now? |
| 02:52.56 | Guerin | AlexW: aptitude install proftp-doc |
| 02:52.59 | peterS | klaxian: fixing your situation isn't terribly straightforward, unfortunately - apt-get won't do anything useful until it thinks your system is in a consistent state |
| 02:53.04 | scanwinder | dvs: tryin 2 get sudo to work with my normal user |
| 02:53.04 | klaxian | peterS: i know...but when i explicitly specify the new kernel package, it gives me dependency errors...seems like they are from my old dist-upgrade attempt |
| 02:53.16 | Alexandar_ | kspath, there has been for for hundred's of years |
| 02:53.31 | klaxian | peterS: nothing has been upgraded yet...can i clear apt-get's memory and install the newer kernel and try again? |
| 02:53.42 | dvs | scanwinder: your used doesn't have to be part of a particular group to get it working with sudo |
| 02:53.43 | kspath | Alexander_: Henry is not king now? |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | Alexandar: hundreds |
| 02:53.57 | Guerin | abrotman: tens |
| 02:53.58 | Alexandar_ | close enough >.> |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite Alexandar_ |
| 02:54.05 | scanwinder | dvs: what do i need to put into sudoers to make it work then? |
| 02:54.18 | scanwinder | dvs: in ubuntu it had the admin group in the sudoers file |
| 02:54.22 | peterS | klaxian: there are ways to hack around all this, but I hesitate to try to direct it over irc |
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| 02:54.29 | Alexandar_ | you mean one of the prince like people? |
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| 02:54.39 | ke6isf | !punctuation |
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| 02:54.50 | belracu | which is the best place to start for AMD 64 + linux |
| 02:54.51 | klaxian | peterS: it's not a prob...just now apt thinks i have dependency issues and won't let me do anything...i can try manually with dpkg but it's a pain |
| 02:55.00 | Alexandar_ | kspath, the one that's smart or the one who smokes weed? |
| 02:55.01 | kspath | Alexander_: Henri the fifth. |
| 02:55.03 | dvs | scanwinder: All I have is user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:55.09 | Alexandar_ | o.O |
| 02:55.20 | peterS | klaxian: try this: 'dpkg --remove udev', then install the new kernel image |
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| 02:55.37 | klaxian | ok |
| 02:55.40 | Alexandar_ | i prefer henry the eighth |
| 02:55.47 | kspath | Alexander_: He knocked the Franks down a notch recently. |
| 02:55.54 | scanwinder | dvsdvs: when i do that, it says "sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 07777, should be 0440" |
| 02:56.04 | peterS | Alexandar_: no, Hal was a much cooler dude than Henry VIII |
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| 02:56.24 | peterS | especially if Shakespeare is to be believed |
| 02:56.34 | Guerin | peterS: f'sure |
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| 02:56.42 | Alexandar_ | must be a saying in our neck of the woods >.> it's slang for an 1/8th |
| 02:56.58 | AlexW | how exactly does proftpd doc tell me how to shape? |
| 02:57.01 | drp | Coweater: I'm pretty sure I have the latest codecs |
| 02:57.06 | Alexandar_ | Shakespear was a sheep tealeaf |
| 02:57.11 | Alexandar_ | +e |
| 02:57.13 | drp | Coweater: the last tarball of codecs I installed is the same one I found on the site |
| 02:57.14 | abrotman | isn't there a #proftpd ? |
| 02:57.16 | Guerin | gotta see the RSC video of henry iv, set in footbaall-hooligan england |
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| 02:57.31 | Alexandar_ | -a* |
| 02:57.31 | Coweater | drp: so it worked before? |
| 02:57.31 | foad | how to add a new user , using "adduser" or "useradd" ? does it make a difference in Debian ? |
| 02:57.36 | dvs | scanwinder: Change the permission of the file |
| 02:57.40 | Guerin | when he marches out to war with his armies, they unfurl a banner which says "Fuck The Frogs" |
| 02:57.41 | ddfire | hi i am looking for the linux-headers for kernel 2.6.14-2-386, where i can find them? |
| 02:57.42 | peterS | klaxian: yeah, so you probably still have the old udev package in /var/cache/apt/archives/. If so, just install that using 'dpkg --install'. there should be two udevs in there, the older of which will work for the time being |
| 02:57.47 | drp | Coweater: it has never played the video in question ... it's an avi |
| 02:57.52 | kspath | Alexander_: Many a Frank prince fell. |
| 02:57.56 | scanwinder | dvs: ok got it working, thank for ur help |
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| 02:58.04 | dvs | scanwinder: you're welcome |
| 02:58.08 | peterS | Guerin: frogs? does that mean welshmen? |
| 02:58.13 | Alexandar_ | french |
| 02:58.17 | Coweater | drp: like i said then, check the error message, it's likely a codec problem although not necessarily a problem on the codec's end |
| 02:58.42 | Guerin | peterS: i can't think of a witty enough rejoinder. |
| 02:58.44 | dn4 | nailbiter, may I private message you the info and can you tell me the ssh command? |
| 02:59.15 | Guerin | watch out for paulswm |
| 02:59.33 | peterS | kspath: I could have mistaken them for the scotch, would that have been better or worse? |
| 02:59.36 | Alexandar_ | welsh , like thier sheep , the scottish moon people , and the english eat limes & are hooligans , the german are hot headed. need i go on with the common stereotypes? |
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| 03:00.24 | kspath | Alexander_: What are pray tell the german? |
| 03:00.25 | klaxian | peterS: this is quite a dependency maze...i can't install the new kernel cause it depends on something else...which depends on something else...you'd think there'd be a nice tool for this ;) |
| 03:00.33 | nailbiter | dn4: Ok |
| 03:00.40 | Alexandar_ | stereotypes are things of the past, if you say that stuff regularly you must be >50 |
| 03:00.42 | peterS | klaxian: if you remove udev, apt-get should be able to handle the job |
| 03:00.46 | Guerin | Alexandar_: http://blog.outer-court.com/prejudice/ |
| 03:00.50 | klaxian | ok |
| 03:01.00 | Guerin | Alexandar_: stereotypes are every bit as useful now as they ever were. |
| 03:01.04 | peterS | klaxian: or aptitude, which is like apt-get but a bit more polished in dependency handling] |
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| 03:01.32 | klaxian | peterS: still dependency problems after removing udev |
| 03:01.48 | peterS | klaxian: such as? |
| 03:01.50 | Alexandar_ | wow they have a map =/ |
| 03:02.01 | klaxian | peterS: hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but it is not installed |
| 03:02.23 | peterS | klaxian: bah. do you have an old copy of udev_*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/, other than the one that failed to install? |
| 03:02.26 | AlexW | ok well a debian related question |
| 03:02.30 | sandman | Alexandar_: I think that's disrespectful to women, saying such a thing. |
| 03:02.32 | klaxian | peterS: yes |
| 03:02.35 | AlexW | how do i cap all outside traffic to 5KB/s |
| 03:02.41 | AlexW | thats outgoing |
| 03:02.42 | peterS | klaxian: so dpkg --install that one, for now |
| 03:03.02 | Guerin | Alexandar_: what would be the point in running a ftp server at that speed? |
| 03:03.12 | Guerin | AlexW: what would be the point in running a ftp server at that speed? |
| 03:03.31 | AlexW | who said its for ftp |
| 03:03.31 | klaxian | peterS: can't...depends on hotplug and that isn't installed grr... |
| 03:03.39 | AlexW | my outbound is 256k |
| 03:03.49 | AlexW | i want to cap outgoing at 18kb/s |
| 03:03.56 | AlexW | so it does not affect my download speed |
| 03:03.58 | peterS | klaxian: ok do this: dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_whatever, then 'apt-get -f install' |
| 03:04.11 | ke6isf | AlexW: Who is your DSL provider? |
| 03:04.16 | Guerin | AlexW: can do it in ftpd, or use a separate programm such as trickle |
| 03:04.17 | AlexW | im in australia mate :P |
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| 03:04.23 | nite613 | If I'm updating packages on a stable machine and see something listed in "Upgradable" rather than "Security..", what's te quickest way to find out what the changes are? |
| 03:04.33 | ke6isf | AlexW: Oh. They can't bump up the outbound ceiling for you, can they? |
| 03:04.36 | nite613 | I use aptitude, but it doesn't seem to have anything built in. |
| 03:04.44 | Alexandar_ | sandman, blokes can have tits / boobs /moobs too =/ |
| 03:04.45 | Guerin | nite613: install apt-listchanges |
| 03:04.49 | tyranix | nite613: I use apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 03:04.49 | klaxian | peterS: udev conflicts with hotplug |
| 03:04.49 | klaxian | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.51 | AlexW | there are 512/512 plans but yeah :P |
| 03:05.02 | peterS | klaxian: oh this is getting more and more fun, isn't it? |
| 03:05.02 | klaxian | peterS: the prob is that this is after a failed upgrade from sarge to testing |
| 03:05.14 | klaxian | peterS: lots is unpacked but not installed |
| 03:05.20 | AlexW | Guerin, how exactly do i tell it outside traffic and not internal? |
| 03:05.21 | ke6isf | Alexandar: I'm thinking ADSL, but still. Give you an idea, I've got a 1.5/768 plan. Granted, I'm in the US. |
| 03:05.24 | klaxian | peterS: i wish i could just go back and upgrade the kernel first :-P |
| 03:05.35 | peterS | klaxian: one version of udev depends on hotplug, a different version conflicts with it. so that causes trickiness. |
| 03:05.42 | klaxian | peterS: yep |
| 03:05.43 | AlexW | there is ADSL 2 which is like 24000/8000 |
| 03:05.49 | Alexandar_ | Alexandar != AlexW |
| 03:05.50 | peterS | klaxian: anyway. install hotplug by hand, then install the old udev by hand. |
| 03:05.57 | klaxian | peterS: ok |
| 03:05.57 | ke6isf | AlexW: ===:O |
| 03:06.31 | AlexW | anyways how do i configure this for outbound external traffic |
| 03:06.37 | AlexW | not inbound or network |
| 03:06.43 | klaxian | peterS: |
| 03:06.46 | klaxian | peterS: hotplug depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0; however: |
| 03:06.46 | klaxian | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.55 | ke6isf | !tell klaxian -about flood |
| 03:06.56 | peterS | klaxian: dpkg --configure debconf |
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| 03:07.08 | Alexandar_ | pastebin.com |
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| 03:07.53 | nite613 | tyranix, Guerin : thanks guys that's perfect |
| 03:07.55 | klaxian | peterS: yes i keep going and going...that depends on another thing and another |
| 03:08.30 | klaxian | peterS: shall i try aptitude? |
| 03:08.49 | peterS | klaxian: aptitude run interactively *can* sort some of this stuff out, but doesn't always work either |
| 03:09.07 | klaxian | peterS: well i'm not sure we have a choice...there are two many dependencies |
| 03:09.29 | peterS | go ahead and try it |
| 03:09.33 | klaxian | peterS: too& |
| 03:09.58 | peterS | have you used aptitude before? the thing to do is just hit 'g' from the main screen and it'll try and resolve deps and decide what to install and what to remove, and if you think it's a reasonable list you can hit 'g' again |
| 03:10.03 | tyranix | I like how newer aptitude has conflict plans (if it was there before, it wasn't as obvious). So you can tell aptitude which plan of action to take. Have yet to try feta. :/ |
| 03:12.07 | jsoft | Anyone had any hassles with apt and grsecurity, where apt wont run because of some body stuff going on in libbeecrypt trying to execute on the stack? |
| 03:12.26 | klaxian | peterS: well aptitude is doing much better |
| 03:12.31 | peterS | good |
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| 03:12.45 | AlexW | grr |
| 03:12.59 | klaxian | peterS: still had the udev problem, but it's going on and installing everything else at least...and i'm hoping i can go back and install the new kernel and udev after |
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| 03:16.58 | epsilon | Need help, I'm trying to get linkchecker to run. In shell it's working, but under apache2 I get this error: "File "lc.cgi", line 22, in ? - import linkcheck - ImportError: No module named linkcheck" |
| 03:17.15 | epsilon | did I forget to enable any feature in apache configuration? |
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| 03:20.44 | karrot-x | is there some type of program that can determine if my serial port is broken? |
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| 03:21.41 | abrotman | as oppposed to working ? |
| 03:21.51 | karrot-x | abrotman: yes |
| 03:21.59 | nailbiter | karrot-x: Try 'statserial' if you suspect faulty cables |
| 03:22.04 | karrot-x | nailbiter: thanks |
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| 03:22.23 | nailbiter | epsilon: That message actually means that the 'linkchecker' module wasn't in your Python include path |
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| 03:23.24 | epsilon | nailbiter: I'm not familier with Python... How do I fix it? |
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| 03:24.17 | nailbiter | epsilon: From what I can tell, there's a front-end script (lc.cgi) which loads the main Python link-checking library (linkchecker.py). Make sure linkchecker.py and friends are installed in /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/linkcheck |
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| 03:24.54 | nailbiter | epsilon: Either that, or just install the Debian 'linkchecker' package. :) |
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| 03:26.36 | Wowbagger_ | Pretty much every time I boot this machine halts during boot complaining that the harddrive was modified sometime in the future. If I hit control-D to reboot, it will successfully boot (after a complete fs check scan). Anyone have this problem or know where I should look? |
| 03:26.47 | epsilon | nailbiter: actually I'm installing the package... |
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| 03:27.01 | odla | Wowbagger_: are you running testing? |
| 03:27.05 | Wowbagger_ | ya |
| 03:27.17 | odla | Wowbagger_: i think it's a udev problem |
| 03:27.23 | odla | Wowbagger_: i had this problem last week |
| 03:27.36 | odla | Wowbagger_: did you just install it or upgrade? |
| 03:27.44 | Wowbagger_ | Had to upgrade it. |
| 03:27.50 | odla | ah |
| 03:27.52 | Wowbagger_ | The installer didn't work. |
| 03:28.03 | Wowbagger_ | Didn't like my sata drives. |
| 03:28.06 | odla | Wowbagger_: did you install 2.6.12 before you did apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:28.29 | odla | Wowbagger_: this was my problem at least |
| 03:28.32 | Wowbagger_ | Hmm... perhaps it wasn't a complete upgrade to testing. |
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| 03:28.52 | Wowbagger_ | odla: how did you fix it? |
| 03:28.52 | odla | i had to install 2.6.12, reboot into 2.6.12, then do an apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade and it solved that problme |
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| 03:28.58 | Wowbagger_ | ok |
| 03:29.03 | odla | Wowbagger_: it worked for me |
| 03:29.11 | Wowbagger_ | odla: Thanks... I'll give that a go! |
| 03:29.13 | odla | Wowbagger_: you get this prompt over and over again |
| 03:29.15 | odla | right? |
| 03:29.19 | odla | Wowbagger_: good luck! |
| 03:29.31 | odla | Wowbagger_: make sure you install 2.6.12 first reboot then upgrade |
| 03:29.33 | Wowbagger_ | Pretty much. though I can get past it if I just don't log in and reboot (and check that the time in the bios is correct) |
| 03:29.42 | odla | i see |
| 03:29.43 | Wowbagger_ | How about if I'm running a newer custom kernel? |
| 03:29.49 | odla | Wowbagger_: not sure |
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| 03:29.55 | Wowbagger_ | (with 2.6.12 the problem was the same.. nothing's changed) |
| 03:30.13 | Wowbagger_ | I'll reboot with 2.6.12, and do the upgrade. |
| 03:30.19 | odla | ok |
| 03:30.21 | odla | good luck |
| 03:30.23 | Wowbagger_ | Thanks. |
| 03:31.03 | odla | poor canada |
| 03:31.10 | epsilon | nailbiter: btw, /usr/local/lib/python[2.3 and 2.4]/site-packages/ is empty |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 03:31.11 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 03:31.30 | odla | abrotman: ain't that the truth |
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| 03:31.46 | kspath | !blamegame |
| 03:31.48 | odla | !sing blame alberta |
| 03:32.31 | kspath | What did Alberta ever do for any of us anyway? |
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| 03:33.03 | kspath | Bloody provi(e)nce! |
| 03:33.03 | daehepod | there are 2 debian dvds correct? |
| 03:33.30 | epsilon | yes, and most ppl only need netinstall |
| 03:33.35 | scanwinder | what's the easiest way for a normal user to connect to a wireless access point? it seems as a normal user, i cant use iwconfig(but can as root) |
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| 03:34.52 | demone | hello all |
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| 03:36.59 | TBBle | scanwinder: I'd guess wpasupplicant, although you might need to be root for wpa_cli too... |
| 03:37.00 | demone | i have to ask... how is it that linspire isnt breaking gpl? |
| 03:37.16 | abrotman | demone: uhm .. we don't know . we use debian? |
| 03:37.21 | gravity | uh... |
| 03:37.29 | peterS | yeah we have no idea. how *is* it breaking the GPL? |
| 03:37.31 | gravity | demone: Who said they were? |
| 03:37.53 | demone | im asking in here since linspire is based on debian, site is what said it is based on debian |
| 03:38.04 | peterS | demone: why do you think we would know anything about linspire? |
| 03:38.04 | abrotman | sure .. but debian respects the GPL |
| 03:38.16 | abrotman | is there a #fsf or anything ? |
| 03:38.17 | peterS | demone: if they're based on debian, then maybe Linspire people would know about Debian, but not really vice versa |
| 03:38.18 | mfrisch | demone: linspire lied |
| 03:38.19 | gravity | Wait... who says they violate the gpl? |
| 03:38.20 | abrotman | i know there's a #gnu |
| 03:38.27 | gravity | I want to know where this accusation comes from |
| 03:38.35 | gravity | 'cause without substance it's pure trolling |
| 03:38.37 | daehepod | is there 2 full debian dvds? |
| 03:38.39 | abrotman | mfrisch: i'd say they're based on debian .. |
| 03:38.41 | demone | the fact that linspire charges for opensource? |
| 03:38.44 | abrotman | Daedalus_: there can be |
| 03:38.46 | peterS | demone: that's allowed |
| 03:38.50 | gravity | demone: That's very much allowed |
| 03:38.52 | abrotman | bah .. stupid nicktab |
| 03:39.01 | demone | last i checked, charging for things released under gpl is against the gpl license |
| 03:39.01 | peterS | demone: what isn't allowed is to prevent your customers from making copies or reselling them |
| 03:39.04 | gravity | !tell demone about dfsg |
| 03:39.10 | peterS | demone: you should check again, 'cause it isn't |
| 03:39.13 | mfrisch | abrotman: and a fiat was like a ferarri |
| 03:39.14 | abrotman | or to sell the binary without access to the source iirc |
| 03:39.21 | gravity | demone: When was the last time you read the license? |
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| 03:39.37 | abrotman | mfrisch: unless they hire ALL thier own developers .. probably based on debian eh? |
| 03:39.39 | demone | a while ago, lol |
| 03:39.43 | gravity | demone: Re-read it |
| 03:39.57 | peterS | demone: it's in /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL, if you don't have a copy handy |
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| 03:40.15 | mfrisch | abrotman: they steal well. ;-) |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | or at opensource.org |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: so does ubuntu ? |
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| 03:40.37 | peterS | or probably google://GPL&feeling_lucky=1 |
| 03:40.43 | gravity | Oh GNOES! HE LEFT |
| 03:41.04 | mfrisch | abrotman: have they contributed to Debian ? |
| 03:41.05 | odla | people ask the strangest shit in here |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | mfrisch: ask them .. i have no idea |
| 03:41.27 | odla | abrotman: what is the meaning of life |
| 03:41.33 | abrotman | mfrisch: there are about a hundred distros derived from debian |
| 03:41.33 | peterS | psssst. hey mister. wanna buy a Debian CD? |
| 03:41.44 | odla | peterS: look on ebay |
| 03:41.44 | abrotman | ack .. a dealer! |
| 03:41.46 | odla | ;) |
| 03:42.04 | peterS | abrotman: first one is free |
| 03:42.16 | abrotman | peterS: that's all i need! |
| 03:42.22 | mfrisch | abrotman: I just am saying that if they are going to use the code contribute. |
| 03:42.36 | abrotman | mfrisch: guess GPL is a bad license then |
| 03:42.46 | peterS | abrotman: after that I charge "no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution" |
| 03:42.58 | abrotman | you bastard! |
| 03:43.27 | mfrisch | you win :-( |
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| 03:43.30 | peterS | abrotman: also, I may at my option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee. |
| 03:43.48 | abrotman | peterS: will you defend when mfrisch sues me ? |
| 03:43.56 | peterS | abrotman: I might, in exchange for a fee. |
| 03:44.06 | peterS | this might not be a trivial sum, though. |
| 03:44.06 | daehepod | does debian include grub as an option for a bootloader .. and is there 2 dvds to download .. or is the other just source? |
| 03:44.22 | peterS | yes |
| 03:44.24 | mfrisch | and the windows model is better |
| 03:44.30 | klaxian | peterS: are you still there? |
| 03:44.48 | daehepod | peterS: was that for me? |
| 03:44.53 | peterS | daehepod: yes |
| 03:45.08 | daehepod | so yes on both questions |
| 03:45.10 | daehepod | ? |
| 03:45.14 | peterS | debian offers grub as an option for a boot loader |
| 03:45.30 | klaxian | peterS: ok everything is installed including kernel 2.6.12 - but there are 6 packages that won't configure -- probably based on the udev dependency |
| 03:45.33 | daehepod | what about the dvds? are there 2 install dvds or one? |
| 03:45.37 | peterS | I don't remember how many 4.7 GB DVD images are required for each architecture and source |
| 03:45.48 | klaxian | peterS: do i need to be running 2.6.12 before udev will install? (ie. restart?) |
| 03:45.48 | abrotman | 2 |
| 03:45.52 | peterS | klaxian: well, once you've booted 2.6.12, you should be able to upgrade udev |
| 03:45.55 | daehepod | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 03:45.58 | daehepod | i'm there |
| 03:46.02 | daehepod | downloading cd 1 |
| 03:46.05 | peterS | klaxian: I'm pretty sure the udev preinst checks that you're *running* 2.6.12, yeah |
| 03:46.08 | klaxian | peterS: nothing will break if i reboot without the new udev, right? |
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| 03:46.22 | peterS | klaxian: apparently nothing breaks. I asked about this earlier in another forum |
| 03:46.47 | peterS | klaxian: while I was bellyaching to developers about your situation (: |
| 03:46.47 | klaxian | peterS: ok cool...you've been a big help :) |
| 03:46.52 | klaxian | peterS: lol |
| 03:46.58 | klaxian | peterS: yah |
| 03:47.00 | peterS | well, they all agree with me |
| 03:47.11 | klaxian | peterS: yah i found lots on forums about it too |
| 03:47.11 | peterS | the guy who maintains udev is pretty much in a minority of one, concerning this issue |
| 03:47.26 | klaxian | peterS: i think i know him indirectly actually |
| 03:47.32 | peterS | marco d'itri? |
| 03:47.38 | klaxian | peterS: yes |
| 03:47.56 | peterS | I've never met him, except online, but we've argued about udev and its kernel dependencies before |
| 03:48.05 | klaxian | peterS: i play poker with the debian kernel maintainer :) |
| 03:48.12 | klaxian | peterS: well perhaps no longer |
| 03:48.15 | peterS | klaxian: which debian kernel maintainer? |
| 03:48.21 | klaxian | peterS: dilinger :) |
| 03:48.29 | peterS | ahh. yes, he's still one of them |
| 03:48.43 | gravity | klaxian: You know dilinger? |
| 03:48.43 | abrotman | klaxian: does he actually play ? |
| 03:48.44 | klaxian | peterS: yup...buddy of mine...so i'm not a novice ;) |
| 03:48.47 | gravity | klaxian: Have we met? |
| 03:48.55 | klaxian | gravity: who are you? |
| 03:49.00 | abrotman | he is gravity! |
| 03:49.00 | gravity | klaxian: /whois gravity |
| 03:49.01 | peterS | klaxian: /whois gravity |
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| 03:49.05 | klaxian | abrotman: yah he's not bad |
| 03:49.06 | peterS | ha |
| 03:49.16 | sunfish | hey |
| 03:49.19 | abrotman | he keeps the shit from hitting the fan around here |
| 03:49.27 | gravity | heh |
| 03:49.27 | klaxian | gravity: no i don't think so |
| 03:49.34 | klaxian | abrotman: yah he's a cool guy |
| 03:49.41 | peterS | abrotman: that's one thing gravity is useful for, yes |
| 03:49.43 | gravity | klaxian: Hrm, I try to hang out with dilinger whenever he's in Boston |
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| 03:49.45 | klaxian | abrotman: he's not as close to where i live anymore so i don't see him much |
| 03:49.58 | gravity | Ah, ok. That's why we haven't met |
| 03:50.09 | klaxian | gravity: i don't hang with his boston crowd haha |
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| 03:50.23 | gravity | klaxian: Well, next time you decide to visit when he's in Boston, I'll be there :-) |
| 03:50.26 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. you're not good enough! |
| 03:50.39 | gravity | abrotman: I'm a shitty poker player anyway |
| 03:50.46 | abrotman | gravity: you have to be able to lie |
| 03:50.53 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, I suck at that |
| 03:50.54 | klaxian | gravity: ok perhaps i will :) |
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| 03:51.07 | gravity | klaxian: Are you an RPI person then? |
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| 03:51.20 | klaxian | gravity: yes and no...i went to RPI for like a minute |
| 03:51.22 | sunfish | anybody here play with debian on a Nslu2? |
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| 03:51.31 | gravity | hehe |
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| 03:51.43 | abrotman | sunfish: on what? |
| 03:52.01 | klaxian | gravity: did u go to RPI? |
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| 03:52.12 | gravity | klaxian: No, I hadn't even heard of it until I met dilinger |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | and that's why he only lasted a minute ... |
| 03:52.15 | starscalling | o.O |
| 03:52.21 | starscalling | sup abrotman |
| 03:52.21 | sunfish | abrotman: its a Nas device made by linksys |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | rensaleer? or whatever it is ? |
| 03:52.32 | klaxian | gravity: yah i don't blame ya :-P |
| 03:52.32 | klaxian | abrotman: yes |
| 03:52.34 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:52.35 | starscalling | hey i got a buddy thats into mixing music semi-professionally |
| 03:52.37 | peterS | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:52.51 | starscalling | he uses um... sonar / reason and the like |
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| 03:53.08 | sunfish | sonar is lame |
| 03:53.10 | starscalling | yall know if there is something equivalent to those for linux? kinda protoolsey? |
| 03:53.18 | sunfish | ;) |
| 03:53.18 | abrotman | starscalling: moment |
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| 03:53.24 | starscalling | thanx guyz :) |
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| 03:53.55 | abrotman | http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | starscalling: they list some apps there |
| 03:54.02 | mfrisch | starscalling: like audicity sweep |
| 03:54.03 | starscalling | o: thanx let me go lookie |
| 03:54.19 | starscalling | audacity i know of its in there.. sweep? promod or osmethikgn? |
| 03:54.23 | _keroppi_ | Back when I was learning Debian, I setup a server running unstable because I was dumb. (Don't bother, it's not at this IP. =). What would be the best way to revert much of it back to stable, or at least what are critical packages that I should revert? |
| 03:55.21 | klaxian | _keroppi_: backup your critical files and re-install ;) |
| 03:55.26 | mfrisch | starscalling: I use it for binaural beats. It does full studio samples 192000 |
| 03:55.48 | abrotman | starscalling: be warned . i have no idea what sonar or reason is :) |
| 03:55.54 | peterS | _keroppi_: just change the sources.list to say 'sarge' instead of 'unstable', then for the most part just ignore anything that is newer than sarge. keep an eye on the security advisories so you know when one will affect you |
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| 03:56.23 | _keroppi_ | klaxian: It's far away from here, and there are no Linux people at my parent's house. =) |
| 03:56.29 | sunfish | anyone here in boston? |
| 03:56.35 | peterS | sunfish: scroll up (: |
| 03:56.42 | peterS | sunfish: someone in boston mentioned this fact about 5 minutes ago |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | sunfish: three people! .. and they're all yankees fans |
| 03:56.50 | gravity | heh |
| 03:56.53 | abrotman | peterS: sunfish joined after that |
| 03:56.54 | sunfish | haha |
| 03:56.57 | peterS | ahhh |
| 03:57.01 | sunfish | sorry i just got here not much in my buffer |
| 03:57.02 | gravity | sunfish: I am, why? |
| 03:57.06 | abrotman | oh wait .. that was starscalling |
| 03:57.08 | starscalling | lol abrotman |
| 03:57.16 | klaxian | _keroppi_: aw |
| 03:57.23 | starscalling | mfrisch: gotcha looking at the artical... |
| 03:57.39 | _keroppi_ | I want to use the fglrx driver, but it doesn't support Xorg 6.9, what should I pin so that Xorg will stay at version 6.8? |
| 03:57.41 | starscalling | he's right here so im gonna just install everything in that artical probably :P |
| 03:57.44 | abrotman | starscalling: what does sonar and rason do ? |
| 03:58.03 | sunfish | find planes |
| 03:58.10 | sunfish | wait, subs |
| 03:58.13 | abrotman | sunfish: look up |
| 03:58.16 | abrotman | sunfish: look down |
| 03:58.32 | gravity | Now look at Mr. Frying Pan? |
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| 03:59.08 | mfrisch | ;-)~ |
| 03:59.10 | gravity | Apparently you are not acquainted with great cinema |
| 03:59.17 | gravity | Someone has to have seen that movie besides me |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | gravity: that's not the point! .. you can't just do that .. it's not fair to the canadians |
| 03:59.46 | gravity | hehe |
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| 04:00.24 | jbroome | gravity: UHF? |
| 04:00.29 | gravity | jbroome: Right on :-) |
| 04:00.33 | dn4 | What is the deal with this boston stuff? |
| 04:00.40 | mfrisch | PaganHippie: nice name |
| 04:00.43 | gravity | dn4: It's the place to be |
| 04:00.44 | abrotman | dn4: people live there |
| 04:00.45 | PaganHippie | thanx |
| 04:00.51 | jbroome | abrotman: you get to drink from the fire hose |
| 04:01.03 | abrotman | jbroome: oh thank you |
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| 04:01.46 | dn4 | oh I was thinking Boston was having some sort of event like UFOs or UFOs and everyone from Boston was here telling us some fact like that. |
| 04:01.56 | abrotman | i'd have been more impressed if gravity quoted Top Secret! :) |
| 04:02.15 | gravity | abrotman: I know a little German. |
| 04:02.15 | wizzomafizzo | Can anyone tell what conf file I edit for apache so it DOESN'T search for an apache2-default/ folder? |
| 04:02.19 | jbroome | Ooh, i'm going to have to dig deep for top secret quotes |
| 04:02.25 | sunfish | mit eats your soul |
| 04:02.26 | gravity | He's right over there |
| 04:02.31 | abrotman | gravity: Oh .. Don't worry .. he's just a little horse |
| 04:02.37 | gravity | heh |
| 04:02.42 | abrotman | gravity: What funny dog poo ... |
| 04:03.22 | abrotman | jbroome: do you need help ? |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | He is NOT Mel Torme |
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| 04:04.11 | abrotman | and who doesn't love the little castle they make when they do the plans for raiding floogendorf prison |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | jbroome: quickly .. you must go now .. if they find out you've seen this your life will be worth less than a truck load of dead rats in a tampon factory |
| 04:04.46 | mfrisch | "you have to remember these are farm people, people of the great land, idiots" |
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| 04:05.27 | nima | so, everyone having fun? |
| 04:05.36 | abrotman | everyone loves that movie! |
| 04:06.18 | nima | what movie? |
| 04:06.23 | abrotman | Top Secret! |
| 04:06.23 | peterS | UHF. |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | Top Secret! |
| 04:06.30 | peterS | hey, it was already mentioned |
| 04:06.41 | peterS | ...or I wouldn't have known, not having seen it |
| 04:06.48 | gravity | My hovercraft is totally fucking full of eels |
| 04:06.51 | abrotman | peterS: yo've never seen Top Secret!? |
| 04:06.58 | peterS | nope |
| 04:07.17 | abrotman | peterS: you must .. it's made by zucker zucker and abhrams |
| 04:07.24 | abrotman | same guys that did airplane |
| 04:07.25 | peterS | oh one of *those* |
| 04:07.34 | peterS | yeah I know who the zucker brothers are |
| 04:07.41 | abrotman | it's val kilmer's first real movie(i think) |
| 04:07.56 | peterS | he did both 'top secret' and 'top gun'? |
| 04:07.59 | Guerin | that's one of my wife's favouriet movies |
| 04:08.00 | peterS | what was he thinking? |
| 04:08.00 | mfrisch | real genius |
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| 04:08.08 | Guerin | top secret, I mean |
| 04:08.38 | abrotman | val kilmer used to do funny movies .. then he got mixed up with jim morrison |
| 04:08.52 | Guerin | and then he did the fucking Saint |
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| 04:08.54 | abrotman | or perhaps i should say .. movies that are good to watch |
| 04:09.17 | abrotman | hrm .. was Tombstone before/after Doors ? |
| 04:09.23 | jbroome | i think before |
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| 04:09.59 | abrotman | it was after doors .. before saint |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | jbroome: you're still here? .. quickly . .you must go now :) |
| 04:10.18 | jbroome | :( |
| 04:10.30 | jbroome | Hey, at least i'm not asking ubuntu questions |
| 04:10.32 | abrotman | jbroome: truck .. rats .. factory :) |
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| 04:11.13 | foot | anyone aware of some legacy video player that can handle intel's indeo5? |
| 04:11.29 | abrotman | wasn't indeo5 avi ? |
| 04:11.38 | foot | yes, but. |
| 04:11.38 | Guerin | avi is a container format, not a codec |
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| 04:11.46 | foot | nothing is handling it properly, abrotman |
| 04:11.49 | abrotman | Guerin: you and your specifics :) |
| 04:11.53 | Guerin | foot: try vlc, mplayer with w32codecs |
| 04:11.58 | abrotman | foot: i bet the player would work in wine .. it's way way old |
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| 04:12.25 | foot | abrotman, what's the player? |
| 04:12.39 | abrotman | foot: i remember when i got my 486 .. it came with the player :) |
| 04:12.49 | abrotman | i think that's the same thing |
| 04:12.49 | foot | Guerin, im not wanting to go through all the compiling for mplayer...and vlc's faq says they don't, and never will, support it |
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| 04:12.56 | abrotman | !tell foot about marillat |
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| 04:13.43 | foot | i know about marillat, but to use indeo5 w/ mplayer you have to compile support i |
| 04:13.45 | foot | in* |
| 04:14.09 | Guerin | foot: oh. Well, those would be your only choices. |
| 04:14.10 | abrotman | best news of the day .. RIM will hopefully die! |
| 04:14.18 | peterS | who is RIM? |
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| 04:14.22 | abrotman | the player in Wine! |
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| 04:14.25 | Guerin | it's not exactly hard to compile - mplayer's upstream sources have a debian/ dir |
| 04:14.30 | abrotman | peterS: Research In Motion .. blackberry people |
| 04:14.31 | foot | :) thanks, just found package w32codecs... |
| 04:14.39 | foot | maybe i dont have to compile! |
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| 04:15.34 | peterS | hmmm, I should go grocery shopping. but I already put some 64 km on my bike today so I'm a little tired. |
| 04:15.42 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 04:15.48 | abrotman | peterS: it's also 10pm |
| 04:15.50 | odla | 64 km...wow |
| 04:15.54 | peterS | abrotman: true |
| 04:15.56 | odla | or 9 pm |
| 04:16.03 | peterS | abrotman: so the store won't be as crowded |
| 04:16.06 | abrotman | peterS: and it's ok . you can say you only went 40miles :) |
| 04:16.12 | peterS | odla: nah he knows my timezone and he's right |
| 04:16.20 | odla | central? |
| 04:16.26 | peterS | US central |
| 04:16.32 | peterS | abrotman: good point |
| 04:16.38 | odla | why would you say kms then instead of miles? |
| 04:16.47 | abrotman | peterS is international! |
| 04:16.52 | Jazbo | what does it mean if I run `sg_scan -i` and it returns nothing? |
| 04:16.56 | peterS | odla: because my bike odometer does everything in km. I set it that way because it's more interesting |
| 04:16.59 | odla | peterS: are you an ex-brit? |
| 04:17.03 | peterS | no |
| 04:17.06 | odla | oh |
| 04:17.18 | peterS | when a guy's gotta go, he's gotta go |
| 04:17.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:17.32 | odla | chloroform |
| 04:17.36 | odla | ha ha |
| 04:17.59 | sunfish | more like borraform |
| 04:18.03 | aredhel | foot, xanim was the debian pkg for indeo5, but the web sight that it uses is not there any more |
| 04:18.06 | odla | any canadians use zip? |
| 04:18.20 | peterS | odla: it's nice to look down and see that you're going 30 km/h. looks like you're going faster than if it said 18 mph |
| 04:18.31 | odla | peterS: he he |
| 04:18.35 | foot | aredhel, i tried that actually, :( no luck |
| 04:18.36 | odla | peterS: i only bike to school |
| 04:18.38 | sunfish | my cars speedo is in Km |
| 04:18.41 | foot | aredhel, thanks though. |
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| 04:18.48 | odla | it's going to be 50 F tomorrow!!! |
| 04:18.53 | sunfish | thats right i drive at 140km daily! |
| 04:19.01 | peterS | odla: where is that? it was well over 50 F today, here |
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| 04:19.09 | odla | peterS: edmonton, alberta |
| 04:19.10 | peterS | maybe not 'well over', but it was at least that |
| 04:19.21 | peterS | ahhh. |
| 04:19.26 | odla | peterS: that's extremely, absurdly, hot for this time of year |
| 04:19.31 | quitte | sunfish not driving autobahn daily? |
| 04:19.33 | peterS | odla: indeed |
| 04:19.41 | odla | peterS: should be like -30 F |
| 04:19.46 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:19.54 | sunfish | 140km is basicly as fast as my car goes lol |
| 04:19.55 | odla | fucking global warming |
| 04:19.56 | witless | hi. i'm trying to get rtfm set up on debian. rt setup went OK, as did rtfm, but i don't see it as an option in the rt menu. any suggestions? |
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| 04:20.10 | quitte | sunfish: hehe |
| 04:20.11 | peterS | I debated riding without a shirt this evening, when I went out for exercise. in the end I decided it was *just* cold enough to justify a shirt |
| 04:20.17 | odla | witless: ha ha |
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| 04:20.25 | odla | what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 04:20.25 | peterS | and that was a good decision - I was out for almost 2 hours and it did cool down somewhat in that time |
| 04:20.27 | quetzl | Hi, I have installed mandriva on my puter, and am not very satisfied with it. The desktop has serious faults, and I have to reconfigure the lan connection every time I start up. Can anyone recommend a better linux program? |
| 04:20.36 | witless | odla: could you fucking elaborate? |
| 04:20.49 | sunfish | ubuntu |
| 04:20.58 | odla | !rtf, |
| 04:21.00 | odla | !rtfm |
| 04:21.00 | dpkg | [rtfm] Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
| 04:21.13 | witless | apt-cache show rtfm |
| 04:21.18 | odla | witless: is that what you're talking about? |
| 04:21.37 | quetzl | so nobody has an opinion on that? |
| 04:21.57 | peterS | quetzl: at your level we'd probably vote for ubuntu |
| 04:21.58 | odla | quetzl: sunfish just said ubuntu |
| 04:22.10 | odla | sarge is good |
| 04:22.16 | odla | nice and stable |
| 04:22.17 | peterS | shipit.ubuntu.com |
| 04:22.40 | peterS | I suppose that's distinct from shiznit.ubuntu.com |
| 04:22.41 | quetzl | peterS: I found redhat a very good system, but it wouldn't run some of my hardware, no drivers |
| 04:22.44 | odla | witless: what is rtfm? |
| 04:22.49 | foad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.53 | gravity | Heh, shiznit.ubuntu.com would be awesome |
| 04:22.55 | peterS | odla: he told you to 'apt-cache show' it |
| 04:23.01 | witless | is there a way to show package info with a bot in this channel? |
| 04:23.03 | odla | peterS: i don't have a package |
| 04:23.11 | peterS | odla: you don't have apt-cache? |
| 04:23.19 | peterS | odla: that's a bizarre box |
| 04:23.24 | odla | peterS: i have apt-cache but not rtfm in my sources |
| 04:23.24 | foot | W: Unable to locate package rtfm |
| 04:23.31 | odla | !info etch rtfm |
| 04:23.34 | peterS | oh, maybe it's only on unstable |
| 04:23.35 | witless | sarge |
| 04:23.41 | odla | !info rtfm sid |
| 04:23.46 | dpkg | rtfm: (RT FAQ Manager), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 800 kB |
| 04:23.57 | odla | oh...it's a real package...ha ha |
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| 04:24.03 | witless | !info sid request-tracker3.4 |
| 04:24.03 | peterS | 68 kB -> 800 kB ... now there's some compression! |
| 04:24.11 | witless | !info sarge request-tracker3.4 |
| 04:24.17 | quetzl | what about fedora... is that just a redhat upgrade, or a seperate system? |
| 04:24.32 | witless | ok, this way maybe |
| 04:24.33 | _keroppi_ | klaxian: It's taking a while and a lot of selection, but I'm making good progress on the massive downgrade. |
| 04:24.34 | peterS | quetzl: it's a separate system, but it's red-hat-sponsored and it'll feel like red hat |
| 04:24.34 | odla | witless: put request-tracker3.4 before the distro |
| 04:24.41 | witless | odla: thx |
| 04:24.43 | odla | witless: info <package> distro |
| 04:24.45 | odla | np |
| 04:24.46 | peterS | also DO IT IN /MSG PLEASE, thanks |
| 04:24.49 | witless | !info request-tracker3.4 sarge |
| 04:24.55 | quetzl | peterS: how would that compare tu ubunto? |
| 04:24.58 | foot | recompiling isnt necessary for w32codecs support in mplayer, sweet. |
| 04:25.02 | dpkg | request-tracker3.4: (Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.4.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1041 kB, Installed size: 6384 kB |
| 04:25.17 | gravity | quetzl: You should probably ask for a more broad advocacy in #linux |
| 04:25.22 | peterS | quetzl: I don't use fedora and neither do most other people here, so we don't have much of a basis for comparison |
| 04:25.23 | gravity | quetzl: We're pretty biased in here |
| 04:25.26 | foot | just so anyone that cares, knows. thx abrotman and guerin |
| 04:25.31 | quetzl | hmmm ok |
| 04:25.34 | quetzl | thanks |
| 04:25.41 | gravity | quetzl: Good luck! |
| 04:26.25 | quetzl | oh I'm not used to xchat. How do I quit the channel? |
| 04:26.28 | peterS | hmmmm, 'Tag: works-with::bugs'. nice that rtfm is proud of its maintenance status (: |
| 04:26.30 | sunfish | whats the best linux distro to install on my electric shaver? |
| 04:26.37 | peterS | quetzl: probably /part |
| 04:26.37 | gravity | quetzl: /part |
| 04:26.41 | quetzl | thanks |
| 04:26.42 | peterS | quetzl: that's how in most irc clients |
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| 04:27.35 | peterS | sunfish: different shavers are different - is it based on a hitachi superh 4, or a mips...? |
| 04:28.03 | sunfish | its manuel actually... |
| 04:28.05 | peterS | sunfish: probably Trimnux though |
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| 04:29.01 | epsilon | I have problem with linkchecker, It installed itself under "/usr/lib/python2.4". However the webinterface (under apache2) searches the scripts under "/usr/lib/python2.3" and it fails... how do I fix this? |
| 04:29.18 | gravity | While we're on the subject of advocacy, I found this post really interesting: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=12480#12480 |
| 04:29.28 | sanxiyn | epsilon: Sounds like a bug. |
| 04:29.34 | peterS | epsilon: file a bug if it isn't already filed |
| 04:29.46 | epsilon | I tried symlink of scripts, but I get the error "python 2.4 required" |
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| 04:30.29 | peterS | gravity: hmmmm. |
| 04:30.43 | epsilon | any idea for workaround until fix is available? |
| 04:31.08 | stew | epsilon: check the bts /msg dpkg bts |
| 04:31.10 | peterS | gravity: I wonder if the "debian is too hard" myth really *is* necessary for the continued viability of things like ubuntu |
| 04:31.16 | stew | #troll gravity |
| 04:31.30 | epsilon | stew: already checked the BTS, nothing about this |
| 04:31.33 | gravity | peterS: Me too |
| 04:31.35 | gravity | stew: :-) |
| 04:31.55 | sanxiyn | I can't understand people praising Kanotix, by the way. |
| 04:32.13 | peterS | heh |
| 04:32.14 | stew | epsilon: you should file a bug then |
| 04:32.48 | epsilon | stew: I'm not familier with python and I'm not sure if the error is on my box or in the package |
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| 04:33.05 | stew | epsilon: i'll see if i can reproduce it here |
| 04:33.16 | quetzl | umm I need to register to talk on #linux. How does one register? |
| 04:33.26 | stew | quetzl: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:33.27 | peterS | epsilon: well, the apache2 config presumably comes with the package and should agree with the rest of the package |
| 04:33.33 | epsilon | stew: thx, it's stable version from sarge |
| 04:33.43 | peterS | epsilon: if you file a bug and it turns out to be the fault of something else, that's no big deal, bugs can be redirected easily enough |
| 04:34.27 | epsilon | BTW, the shell version of linkchecker is working fine, it's just the web interface |
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| 04:34.43 | sanxiyn | btw is Debian "community" rude and elitist? |
| 04:34.46 | gravity | peterS: Although to be fair, there are some things that ubuntu really just does do better, at least from what I gather |
| 04:34.49 | quetzl | stew: /msg nickserv help didn't do a thing for me |
| 04:35.09 | gravity | Debian is showing the same slow signs of progress in those areas as usual though |
| 04:35.15 | peterS | gravity: certain things, yes. I'm not in a good position to evaluate these things, as I don't have an extra box to throw ubuntu on |
| 04:35.24 | gravity | peterS: I tried, but it failed to install :-( |
| 04:35.26 | quetzl | so can someone help me to register please? |
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| 04:35.55 | epsilon | try /msg nickserv help |
| 04:35.59 | sanxiyn | quetzl: /msg nickserv help register |
| 04:36.01 | Whistleboy | what is the "Debian" way to get firefox to use thunderbird for mailto links. I have changed this before, and it keeps getting set back on upgrades |
| 04:36.05 | gravity | quetzl: If you can't figure out how to /msg you won't be able to register |
| 04:36.05 | peterS | epsilon: didn't he just say that didn't work? |
| 04:36.33 | epsilon | peterS: it works and it should - the rest is not my prob |
| 04:36.39 | quetzl | gravity: I've been messaging for years in mirc. No problems |
| 04:36.47 | sanxiyn | peterS: Eh, msging help command won't register him, will it... |
| 04:36.56 | peterS | epsilon: when someone says "foo didn't work" and you reply "you should do foo", that's not particularly helpful |
| 04:37.14 | gravity | sanxiyn: I'm not sure. I hear it a lot. I think a lot of it comes from this channel (which has changed for the better) and from overzealous users who went elsewhere |
| 04:37.30 | epsilon | peterS: can't tell how to fix without more input |
| 04:37.47 | peterS | epsilon: then ... don't. I'm just saying, it's kind of a waste of time to repeat what he said he already did |
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| 04:38.04 | houn | Waddup, #debian |
| 04:38.10 | sanxiyn | houn: hello |
| 04:38.49 | houn | Anyone know any good guides for getting DVD playback under Debian? |
| 04:38.51 | stew | epsilon: dpkg -L linkchecker | xargs grep "2\.3" doesn't turn up anything, can you give me more info about what exactly is referencing python2.3? |
| 04:39.15 | quetzl | ok so now I registered my nick and password. How do I sign in, please? |
| 04:39.22 | peterS | stew: I'm guessing it's the contents of a config file dropped into /etc/apache2/something. but yeah he should elaborate |
| 04:39.27 | gravity | quetzl: /msg nickserv identify |
| 04:39.32 | quetzl | thanks |
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| 04:40.19 | epsilon | stew: It installed under 2.4, however the webinterface/apache2 expect it under 2.3 and it get "import likchcker - ImportError: no module found" |
| 04:40.34 | stew | peterS: it doesn't touch apache anything |
| 04:40.51 | sanxiyn | epsilon: So change 2.3 to 2.4 in the file in question...? |
| 04:41.03 | peterS | sanxiyn: yes but the point is, whose fault is it and should a bug be filed |
| 04:41.07 | stew | epsilon: what file do you think references 2.3? the cgi? |
| 04:41.19 | stew | oh |
| 04:41.22 | stew | i understand |
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| 04:41.37 | stew | the shebang in the cgi is /usr/bin/python instead of /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 04:41.48 | peterS | stew: yeah, that'd do it |
| 04:42.24 | stew | epsilon: edit the first line of the two files in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/lconline and change /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python2.4 |
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| 04:44.22 | Mika0800 | Anyone used times() in programming? Does the result wrap around at 2^31 or 2^32, and does it continue from zero again after wrap-around or does is go in some odd "error" state? (return value interpreted as unsigned, even if it is officially declared as signed) |
| 04:44.23 | stew | looks like it was already fixed in testing/sid |
| 04:44.24 | epsilon | stew: ah, better :) but now I get access denied error, mybe need to allow some access in apache |
| 04:44.28 | odla | i'm trying to install splashy but when i reboot the kernel doesn't recognize the video setting |
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| 04:44.56 | epsilon | should I symlink /usr/lib/phyton -> /usr/lib/phyton2.4 or is it unusal? |
| 04:45.53 | stew | epsilon: no, that would break other python stuff, leave it as is, its just that since this thing specifically needs 2.4 it should have said so in the script |
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| 04:49.03 | epsilon | I start hating python |
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| 04:49.59 | sanxiyn | epsilon: Too bad. |
| 04:50.02 | gravity | epsilon: Are you editing a program that mixes tabs and spaces? |
| 04:50.47 | stew | weird, i just noticed i'm in ##overflow from the split ~ 4 hours ago. how did i end up both in ##overflow and here, should I have ended up in one place or another? |
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| 04:51.27 | dracflamloc | anyone know how to get a s3/via unichrome pro to work with 3d accel in linux? |
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| 04:51.42 | stew | dracflamloc: in ubuntu? |
| 04:52.02 | dracflamloc | yea i guess. thats what i've been trying. but it doesnt matter to me which distro |
| 04:52.28 | epsilon | However, now I get this error message: "Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/lconline/lc.cgi", line 37, in ? servers=ALLOWED_SERVERS): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/linkcheck/lc_cgi.py", line 69, in checkaccess print_error(out, "Access denied") File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/linkcheck/lc_cgi.py", line 177, in print_error out.write(_(""" NameError: global name '_' is not defined" |
| 04:52.49 | epsilon | (yes, all in one line) |
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| 04:53.05 | stew | dracflamloc: ubuntu questions are off topic here |
| 04:53.13 | dracflamloc | ok.... |
| 04:53.17 | dracflamloc | so then in debian??? |
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| 04:53.32 | stew | dracflamloc: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:53.39 | epsilon | and with my limited Python knowledge I can't figure out why 127.0.0.1 isn't allowed to access |
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| 04:54.18 | dracflamloc | ubuntu is currently installed. i have debian as well. was just hoping to see if someone here had experience with a s3/via unichrome pro |
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| 04:54.33 | relic | haha |
| 04:54.35 | gravity | dracflamloc: Are you sure it's supported by DRI? |
| 04:54.53 | dracflamloc | not sure. where can i check? |
| 04:55.14 | stew | gravity: i think i saw a savage driver in new kernels |
| 04:55.19 | gravity | dracflamloc: I think it's dri.sourceforge.net |
| 04:55.53 | deadcat | Cruduxi: hows root-tail? |
| 04:56.19 | deadcat | gravity: by the way. someone finally packaged xcompmgr and transset and its in experimental now |
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| 04:57.09 | gravity | deadcat: I know |
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| 04:57.27 | deadcat | gravity: working nicely too |
| 04:57.28 | gravity | I'll be using metacity's compmgr when it's built in anyway, so that's fine by me |
| 04:57.31 | gravity | Good to hear |
| 04:57.46 | gravity | I assume most wm's will build in a compmgr, or we'll be using glxcompmgr in time |
| 04:57.47 | deadcat | metacity has their own too? |
| 04:57.56 | deadcat | wow |
| 04:58.00 | gravity | Not yet |
| 04:58.01 | quitte | is there a way to let debian packages be built with a -j option to make? |
| 04:58.03 | gravity | It's in development |
| 04:58.16 | deadcat | cool |
| 04:58.49 | gravity | quitte: You'll have to build it yourself |
| 04:59.05 | sanxiyn | quitte: Maybe, replacing make with shell script doing make -jX... |
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| 04:59.24 | deadcat | gravity: sounds like you might need fast comp and video card for glxcompmgr? |
| 04:59.27 | Guerin | setting MAKEFLAGS won't work? |
| 04:59.36 | quitte | nothing like setting concurrency level as for kernel-package? |
| 04:59.41 | deadcat | looks hella good: http://www.cs.umu.se/%7Ec99drn/xgl/xgl-shot1.png |
| 04:59.45 | peterS | Guerin: I'm not sure if those get through dpkg-buildpackage. probably. |
| 04:59.47 | gravity | deadcat: Well, we don't know yet exactly. I haven't tested it myself and it's still very much in the early stages of development |
| 05:00.00 | quitte | Guerin: hmm haven'T tried. thanks |
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| 05:00.32 | scanwinder | whats the best way for a normal user to connect to a wireless accesspoint? iwconfig dosent seem to work for normal users.... |
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| 05:01.16 | odla | splashy error...http://pastebin.com/520192 |
| 05:01.24 | odla | could someone check it out |
| 05:01.25 | benjamindees | how do I get imagemagick (convert) to overwrite the file instead of appending a number to the filename? |
| 05:01.37 | jsoft | :\ debian does not seem to install onto this Tecra 750DVD laptop.. it is just sitting there saying 'Loading Modules 'yenta_socket' for 'Toshiba America Info Systems' |
| 05:01.44 | jsoft | or some shit like that |
| 05:01.56 | croddy | Did you append vga=0x317 to your kernel parameters? |
| 05:02.27 | odla | on the #kopt line...yes |
| 05:02.31 | Guerin | odla: easy fix: don't use splashy. |
| 05:02.35 | odla | then i ran update-grub |
| 05:02.37 | jsoft | croddy: me? |
| 05:02.39 | odla | Guerin: well i know ;) |
| 05:02.47 | odla | i'd like to try it |
| 05:02.53 | Guerin | benjamindees: use mogrify instead |
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| 05:03.07 | Guerin | jsoft: boot with acpi=off |
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| 05:03.17 | Guerin | jsoft: i used to have the same problem on my toshi |
| 05:04.18 | jsoft | Guerin: linux noacpi ? /me trys |
| 05:04.44 | Guerin | jsoft: acpi has worked for me since 2.6.5 or something, though |
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| 05:05.28 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Then linux26 at boot prompt might work too... |
| 05:05.41 | jsoft | Guerin: now it just sits there going 'do do dooooo' at Using /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/usb/host/usb-ohci.o |
| 05:05.43 | Guerin | sanxiyn: indeed. |
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| 05:06.01 | Guerin | jsoft: huh, toshiba machines are normally uhci |
| 05:06.07 | Guerin | jsoft: try what sanxiyn said |
| 05:06.08 | benjamindees | Guerin, I want to specify an output filename |
| 05:06.20 | jsoft | done. |
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| 05:06.33 | Guerin | benjamindees: i don't believe you can, but it should be trivial to use mv or rename after the run |
| 05:06.42 | Guerin | benjamindees: read the --help |
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| 05:07.06 | jsoft | ahh that works. |
| 05:07.20 | benjamindees | Guerin, it's actually not trivial in this case, but thanks anyways |
| 05:07.23 | jsoft | Pretty cheese though. Openbsd just cruises thru, and bsd's are supposed to have 'less driver support'. |
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| 05:07.47 | Guerin | jsoft: acpi sucks quite horribly. |
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| 05:08.28 | j1b | hel o |
| 05:08.35 | foad | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.47 | Guerin | i had to write a damn shell script to get my toshi to hibernate on critical battery or on lid close |
| 05:08.49 | j1b | anyone |
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| 05:08.51 | gravity | foad: dpkg-reconfigure gmd |
| 05:08.56 | gravity | foad: er... gdm, not gmd |
| 05:08.59 | Guerin | acpid and powersaved just refuse to do a damn thing |
| 05:09.03 | gravity | foad: Although any *dm you have installed will work |
| 05:09.17 | foad | ok thanks gravity :) |
| 05:09.21 | gravity | np |
| 05:09.31 | j1b | zdm? |
| 05:09.37 | buu | Eww, gdm |
| 05:09.37 | j1b | ndm? |
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| 05:09.47 | j1b | gnome is for fags |
| 05:09.55 | buu | ?dm suck in general |
| 05:09.57 | j1b | discus... |
| 05:10.11 | Guerin | there are means of fixing broken acpi dsdts, but they require you to build and use a non-free intel aml compiler, which won't seem to build on my machine |
| 05:10.13 | gravity | j1b: Do you have a debian-related question that doesn't involve trolling? |
| 05:10.28 | j1b | kdm users wear black turtlenecks. discus.... |
| 05:10.37 | Guerin | j1b: calling people 'fags' is for fools who want to get banned |
| 05:10.39 | foad | gnome is in Debian for a reason j1b ;) for fags? don't think so! |
| 05:10.42 | odla | new splashy error http://pastebin.com/520200 |
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| 05:10.45 | Guerin | j1b: and then there's just plain being a fucktard |
| 05:10.56 | j1b | ok i'll stop, sorry |
| 05:11.01 | odla | when i reboot the kernel temporary halts and tells me that i've passed an undefined mode number |
| 05:11.08 | j1b | i'm really knot a bad gu |
| 05:11.09 | j1b | guy |
| 05:11.10 | odla | but it loads after 30 seconds if i don't do anything |
| 05:11.18 | croddy | odla: try other video modes |
| 05:11.23 | ClayG | anyone have a nice "packed" sources.list I cant cheat off of? |
| 05:11.32 | odla | croddy: then vga? |
| 05:11.45 | Guerin | odla: try vga=788 for 800x600, or 791 for 1024x768 |
| 05:11.47 | croddy | odla: 788, 789, 791, 792? |
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| 05:13.52 | odla | do you know what's cauing the FBError and the fact that it says file not found? do you think it's just my video mode |
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| 05:13.56 | j1b | anyone here use knoppix? |
| 05:14.01 | odla | i think it might have to do with /proc/fb |
| 05:14.06 | odla | j1b: #knoppix |
| 05:14.16 | j1b | #knoppix |
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| 05:14.28 | j1b | join #knoppix |
| 05:14.31 | Digital_Coma | why is this channel's banlist so big? |
| 05:14.41 | j1b | join #knoppix please |
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| 05:14.47 | peterS | j1b: honestly do you have *any* value to contribute to this channel? |
| 05:14.51 | gravity | Digital_Coma: We get a lot of fucktards |
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| 05:15.19 | scanwinder | when i open "volume control" in ubuntu, im getting "No volume control elements and/or devices found." yet sound is working, can anyone help me with this? -- im using alsa |
| 05:15.27 | gravity | scanwinder: #ubuntu |
| 05:15.28 | croddy | scanwinder: try opening it in debian. |
| 05:15.29 | opnsrc | Ok, my computer somehow switched from /bin/bash to /bin/dash and now it won't boot. How do I switch it back to /bin/bash (I have no idea how to use /bin/dash and can't find much information on Google). |
| 05:15.47 | peterS | scanwinder: probably not, since we aren't using ubuntu. they've changed a lot of that type of stuff |
| 05:15.48 | foad | ClayG, try this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=330913 |
| 05:15.50 | opnsrc | It just gives me a shell, /bin/dash |
| 05:16.15 | scanwinder | oops, sorry, i said that in the wrong channel |
| 05:16.17 | j1b | i feel really bad, i'm leaving |
| 05:16.18 | willo | go single-user and edit from there. |
| 05:16.21 | scanwinder | i click on the wrong tab |
| 05:16.25 | j1b | sorry if i caused trubble |
| 05:16.33 | foad | bye j1b |
| 05:16.35 | scanwinder | i use debian on my laptop:P |
| 05:16.36 | willo | j1b, bye |
| 05:16.46 | peterS | opnsrc: dash doesn't change the /bin/sh link on its own, or at least it didn't used to |
| 05:16.49 | willo | off you go :-) |
| 05:16.50 | j1b | again, i apologize |
| 05:16.51 | opnsrc | wait I think I found something on Wikipedia |
| 05:16.55 | willo | j1b, leave. |
| 05:17.06 | j1b | <--leafing |
| 05:17.08 | willo | opnsrc, singleuser = your friend |
| 05:17.12 | karrot-x | does anyone know if the debian stable mysql-postfix is ok to install? |
| 05:17.17 | karrot-x | i'm getting unment dependencies |
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| 05:17.28 | opnsrc | Well the thing is I installed new packages. Dash got installed but I doubt Bash got uninstalled. It asked me if I wanted Dash as the default and I remember selecting no. |
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| 05:17.38 | opnsrc | But I suppose now that dash is on there the kernel wants to use that instead |
| 05:17.53 | opnsrc | Let me try init 1 then |
| 05:18.00 | willo | ell, if you go singleuser like i said, you will be asked what shell to use or go directly to /bin/sh |
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| 05:18.11 | peterS | opnsrc: oh, maybe it does ask now, it didn't used to. anyway, it should just be a matter of 'ln -fs bash /bin/sh' |
| 05:18.16 | opnsrc | How do I get to single user then? |
| 05:18.21 | willo | from there you can mount up your partition with /etc on, and edit stuff. |
| 05:18.23 | willo | google it ;D |
| 05:18.25 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 05:18.47 | sanxiyn | peterS: dash used to ask about replacing /bin/sh in low(?) debconf priority I believe. |
| 05:18.49 | peterS | opnsrc: I should note that I've had dash as my /bin/sh for about 5 years and it has rarely caused any problems |
| 05:19.07 | opnsrc | well the thing is I have no idea how to use it |
| 05:19.08 | willo | ah. dash is actually a shell? |
| 05:19.12 | peterS | yes |
| 05:19.13 | sanxiyn | willo: yup |
| 05:19.21 | opnsrc | Dir doesn't work, none of the bash commands work and my computer won't boot ever since it was used |
| 05:19.30 | opnsrc | ever since dash was used * |
| 05:19.51 | peterS | opnsrc: dir isn't a bashism, it should work equally well with dash. whatever your actual problems, I bet dash isn't the primary cause |
| 05:19.51 | willo | well, google a way to use dash - enough to change back to bash. |
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| 05:20.04 | opnsrc | uhm..... thanks |
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| 05:20.09 | BR_WARRIOR | Hi everyone! |
| 05:20.14 | willo | hehe |
| 05:20.22 | opnsrc | I'll try to use fsck on a Kanotix boot cd |
| 05:20.31 | willo | fsck? |
| 05:20.34 | willo | uh. ok |
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| 05:22.19 | hooper | hola |
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| 05:22.24 | willo | hi. |
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| 05:28.07 | daehepod | can someone tell me what the second dvd is here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 05:28.15 | daehepod | is it source only? |
| 05:28.24 | daehepod | or is it required for install? |
| 05:29.01 | mmh_ | I just did apt-get source <pkg>. What's the command to ask dpkg to unpack the source and apply the Debian patches, so I can examine it? |
| 05:29.01 | peterS | daehepod: it's not required for install |
| 05:29.01 | peterS | daehepod: anything which isn't on the first DVD, and you actually want to install, you can download off the net later |
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| 05:29.02 | wuming | [out topic] what people put on their business card if they have a BA( hons) degree |
| 05:29.04 | sanxiyn | mmh_: apt-get source does unpack itself |
| 05:29.15 | peterS | daehepod: really you only need the 110 MB netinst CD image, the rest really can be downloaded on demand |
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| 05:29.29 | mmh_ | sanxiyn: I don't end up with the actual source, just the original tarball and patches. |
| 05:29.51 | peterS | daehepod: packages are placed on the CDs (and DVDs) in order of popularity, so only the fairly obscure packages will end up on the second DVD |
| 05:30.05 | sanxiyn | mmh_: Eh I see. In that case things depend on packages |
| 05:30.28 | mmh_ | sanxiyn: I would like to unpack inetutils. Any ideas? |
| 05:30.39 | sanxiyn | mmh_: Have a look at debian/rules |
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| 05:31.52 | daehepod | i've used linux for about 9 years .. i've never really installed debian .. |
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| 05:32.32 | daehepod | so i'm going to.. i just wanted to know if i needed that 2nd dvd |
| 05:32.46 | daehepod | i suppose i'll just apt-get the other shit |
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| 05:33.04 | Mika0800 | I have always dowloaded only the CD1. And getting the rest from the internet.... |
| 05:33.39 | daehepod | i usually do the same thing with fedora or slackware |
| 05:33.47 | daehepod | but i've never seen a 2 dvd install |
| 05:33.55 | daehepod | that's a shitload of data |
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| 05:34.07 | quitte | i like the business card installer |
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| 05:35.02 | ultraviolet16 | hi everyone, i'm trying to make ndiswrapper but it tells me it can't find my kernel source.. but I apt-get install linux-source.. |
| 05:35.08 | ultraviolet16 | do I need to do something else? |
| 05:35.14 | croddy | oh? there is something besides debootstrap now? cool! |
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| 05:36.48 | eps | what is support like for nforce sli chipsets under linux? |
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| 05:37.15 | karrot-x | not sure |
| 05:37.20 | eps | looking at getting a Gigabyte K8NPro-SLI PCIEX16 nForce4-SLI and using debian sid |
| 05:37.46 | eps | mmm, I wish places would list if their hardware works under linux at least... |
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| 05:37.49 | karrot-x | eps: just a suggestion but look into the DFI nf4 SLI inifinity |
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| 05:38.05 | daehepod | ultraviolet16: how about apt-get install ndiswrapper ? |
| 05:38.11 | Kvant | ultraviolet16, the source is tarred, so you need to untar it, look in /usr/src |
| 05:38.18 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: no such package.. |
| 05:38.23 | eps | karrot-x ah? I'm new to building 939 boards and some one recommended gigabyte...I'll check out dfi now |
| 05:38.26 | daehepod | there must be |
| 05:38.33 | ultraviolet16 | Kvant: i did untar it.. |
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| 05:38.45 | ultraviolet16 | now it's a directory |
| 05:38.53 | ultraviolet16 | but make is looking in another directory.. |
| 05:38.53 | jsoft | Man linux always seems to take f*cking ages to install and do things with |
| 05:39.03 | daehepod | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
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| 05:39.11 | mouth | attention |
| 05:39.17 | mouth | GNAA Congratulates the Debian Project on the Release of Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 "Sarge" |
| 05:39.17 | mouth | BATON ROUGE, LA - June 6, 2005 - The Gay Nigger Association of America extended today its congratulations to the Debian Project regarding its 8th consecutive release of the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. The latest incarnation of Debian, codenamed "Sarge", had been eagerly anticipated for approximately 6,000 years by both unwashed GNU/Hippies and fizzlebearded Open Source aficionados alike. So far the reception of "Sarge" has ranged from indifferen |
| 05:39.18 | mouth | "Sarge" is notable for greatly expanding upon the Debian policy of creating distributions that are obsolete before they are even released - a practice which, while not particularly desirable, has been enthusiastically received by nostalgic collectors of outdated open source software, as well as the National Association for Marketing Buggy Linux Applications, or NAMBLA. Debian project leader Branden Robinson defended the policy, however, in an impro |
| 05:39.21 | mouth | About Debian |
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| 05:39.24 | mouth | The Debian project was started in 1993 by Ian Murdock, who was unsatisfied with the level of political bickering and useless hand-wringing found in other projects at the time. The Debian Project has grown steadily over the years and currently consists of over 1,000 developers and maintainers, yet contains more bugs and is more out of date than the older Slackware distribution, which is produced by a single maintainer with a chronic bacterial infect |
| 05:39.26 | eps | jsoft eh? how do you mean |
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| 05:39.36 | Daveman | eps :O |
| 05:39.46 | daehepod | ultraviolet16: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 05:39.50 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: thanks i'm going to look now |
| 05:39.52 | jsoft | eps: as in, to simply install a linux distro seems to take donkeys years. |
| 05:39.56 | Gnea | another driveby |
| 05:40.02 | Gnea | wtf |
| 05:40.03 | eps | jsoft compared too? |
| 05:40.05 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: what' sthat? |
| 05:40.11 | jsoft | eps: bsd |
| 05:40.16 | daehepod | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
| 05:40.21 | jsoft | ive not used linux for so long |
| 05:40.21 | daehepod | just go there |
| 05:40.23 | daehepod | read up |
| 05:40.41 | eps | jsoft ah okay...mmm bsd doesn't install a lot of end user apps at install time does it? for example gnome/kde/openoffice etc |
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| 05:41.07 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: cool thanks, i'll be back |
| 05:41.11 | jsoft | eps: nope.. but I can still install bsd, and install all those pacakges faster than it takes linux to simply install |
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| 05:42.07 | eps | jsoft the only thing I can say in linux defence is it is possibly installing more...though I think it is more of a case that 'it's better than windows so it's good enough for us'? *waits to be flamed* |
| 05:42.16 | eps | hey Daveman, fancy seeing you here :P |
| 05:42.22 | Daveman | :D |
| 05:42.32 | Daveman | welcome :P |
| 05:42.41 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: problem is that in lib/modules/VERSION/build there is no "build" |
| 05:42.45 | eps | lol |
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| 05:43.32 | eps | karrot-x do you have a dfi inifinity? cause it's $40 more than I was looking to spend but it does what I want and if some one has it working under linux that's good enough for me |
| 05:43.37 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: does that mean I have to compile the source that I have? |
| 05:44.25 | benjamindees | ugh, imagemagick sucks :( |
| 05:44.37 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: bah sorry ok i figured it out |
| 05:44.49 | benjamindees | I tell it to convert a text file into an image, it makes two images... |
| 05:45.11 | benjamindees | I tell it to combine the images, it ignores the image size... |
| 05:45.40 | eps | mmm if I want to run 32bit linux on a amd64 chip all I do is install debian normally and the chip will take care of the rest? |
| 05:46.04 | aredhel | eps, yes |
| 05:46.09 | eps | classy :) |
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| 05:46.47 | opnsrc | I typed fsck /dev/hde1 and it finished as soon as I hit enter. I remember it used to take much longer, is there an option to make sure it does a thorough job? |
| 05:47.30 | aredhel | eps, consider having room for a 2nd root partition so you can dual boot in to 64 bit debian |
| 05:47.42 | Guerin | give over |
| 05:47.43 | Daveman | :o |
| 05:47.56 | Guerin | 64-bit OSen are a waste of time and space for 99% of people |
| 05:48.19 | eps | aredhel sounds like a good idea, didn't think of that |
| 05:48.50 | Guerin | and they're especially a pain in the arse because you then have to have a more or less complete 32-bit chroot for things like openoffice |
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| 05:49.32 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: ok i tried what you said, it's not working though, it says that header files are needed, that I should have already compiled the source, but I haven't, how do I compile the kernel source? |
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| 05:49.59 | eps | mmm so to sli or not to sli...an extra $40 if going with a dfi :| |
| 05:51.01 | opnsrc | n/m the problem was the kernel. Thanks everyone |
| 05:51.12 | cochilion | where can i find the sources for debian? |
| 05:51.56 | madradrone | cochilion: you can download them using apt-get |
| 05:51.59 | TBBle | cochilion: Depends how you get Debian. If you're downloading it, right next to the binaries. |
| 05:52.04 | cochilion | how? |
| 05:52.12 | madradrone | cochilion: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 05:52.31 | madradrone | cochilion: make sure you are in a separate directory before you run it |
| 05:52.49 | madradrone | cochilion: because it dl's the stuff into the current directory wherever it is |
| 05:53.08 | cochilion | but i need the links for the sources.list file |
| 05:53.28 | madradrone | cochilion: if its not in there then you must have messed something up i think |
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| 05:53.47 | bxkid | what repos debian etch link me please! |
| 05:53.51 | madradrone | cochilion: look for the line starting with deb-src |
| 05:54.14 | madradrone | cochilion: if there isn't one, just copy the line starting with deb and change deb to deb-src |
| 05:54.25 | cochilion | ok |
| 05:54.28 | cochilion | ty |
| 05:54.31 | madradrone | np |
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| 05:55.25 | madradrone | !tell bxkid about dist-upgrade |
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| 05:58.12 | cochilion | madradrone i need to make a dist-upgrade after that? |
| 05:59.53 | aredhel | cochilion, if any thing is needed it would just be a apt-get update. |
| 06:00.15 | cochilion | oh ok |
| 06:00.19 | cochilion | thx again |
| 06:00.51 | daehepod | ultraviolet16: you didn't read here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
| 06:00.56 | daehepod | that is taken care of there |
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| 06:02.52 | gpm | hello people. i have gnome-volume-manager installed, i'm in the plugdev group, but when i plug in my ipod, g-v-m only shows "New Device" messages, and never actually autmounts the thing as it should. Clues? I'm on sid (gnome 2.12) |
| 06:02.58 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: I finally got ndiswrapper installed. |
| 06:03.10 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: problem is I dont' know where to get the driver for my card now. |
| 06:03.39 | daehepod | do you even know what ndiswrapper is? |
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| 06:04.04 | daehepod | it is a kernel module that allows you to use windows drivers for wireless cards in linux |
| 06:04.16 | daehepod | FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS |
| 06:04.21 | daehepod | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebian |
| 06:04.36 | daehepod | come back if something there doesn't work |
| 06:05.18 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: I've used ndiswrapper before. |
| 06:05.27 | ultraviolet16 | ndiswrapper -i driver.inf |
| 06:05.36 | ultraviolet16 | modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 06:05.47 | daehepod | i don't want to hear about it |
| 06:05.50 | quitte | ultraviolet16: daehepod has,too |
| 06:05.51 | madradrone | gpm: so why not forget about gpm? |
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| 06:05.59 | daehepod | i don't like anything that has to do with it |
| 06:06.00 | quitte | ultraviolet16: what card is it? |
| 06:06.10 | daehepod | and i don't like anything windows oriented |
| 06:06.26 | ultraviolet16 | thing is that I don't know where to get the driver I need.. i'm reading now that that if you use the module-assistant you can skip the windows driver part.. |
| 06:06.30 | gpm | madradrone: don't forget about gpm because it's important!! |
| 06:06.36 | madradrone | gpm: and just mount the thing. you might want to list the blkid in fstab instead of the device name, for consistent mounting |
| 06:06.55 | ultraviolet16 | daehepod: I don't mean to insult you by laying down those commands, but I just wanted to show you i knew how to use it.. |
| 06:07.05 | ultraviolet16 | but anyways, I have a broadcom card |
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| 06:07.11 | madradrone | gpm: if you use blkid then it doesn't matter if its sda, sdb, or what, it will always mount it according to the blkid |
| 06:07.24 | cem_ | where are the internet settings kept, ip etc...? |
| 06:07.30 | ultraviolet16 | not too sure the model number, but if I go to the compaq site I can only get the one for windows, and I can't unzip the exe |
| 06:07.32 | madradrone | gpm: i don't consider anything by gnome important, but that's just me |
| 06:07.33 | gpm | madradrone: oh, you meant "why not forget about gVm" |
| 06:07.42 | madradrone | gpm: yes, sorry |
| 06:07.46 | daehepod | ultraviolet16: go to the website of the card manufacturer .. download the latest windows driver for your card |
| 06:07.47 | gpm | madradrone: yeah...i like the cohesiveness of gnome |
| 06:07.48 | quitte | ultraviolet16: thats not enough info. its not like broadcom made only one nic. btw i have a intel cpu. |
| 06:07.59 | daehepod | point ndiswrapper to that drivers inf file |
| 06:07.59 | quitte | ultraviolet16: try lspci |
| 06:08.08 | madradrone | gpm: i think kde has a lot of that too |
| 06:08.23 | gpm | madradrone: yeah. i'll get around to trying kde some day. i haven't yet. |
| 06:08.24 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: i'll type out what it says for my card, this is that it says unknown device.. |
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| 06:08.39 | gpm | madradrone: it's funny. i tried a lot of WMs before trying "the other" de |
| 06:08.42 | shad0w1e | could anyone help troubleshoot a problem I'm having with pptp on linux? (VPN). I connect in fine, username/PW is fine, I obtain an IP address, but then I can't access the VPN network!! Thanks |
| 06:08.47 | cem_ | where are the internet settings kept, ip etc...? |
| 06:08.49 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 |
| 06:08.52 | madradrone | gpm: if your using sid and can try kde 3.5 you're in for a treat |
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| 06:09.21 | quitte | ultraviolet16: well then youll have to extract stuff from the exe or find out the chipset by looking at the chips. wine might help. hmm or the 4318 |
| 06:09.22 | gpm | madradrone: yeah, after the twenty-minute download/install hehe |
| 06:09.24 | aredhel | cem_, what type of internet connection? |
| 06:09.25 | daehepod | ultraviolet16: take out the card .. look at the model number .. go to broadcoms site .. download the latest driver |
| 06:09.27 | quitte | ultraviolet16: is it wireless? |
| 06:09.32 | daehepod | windows driver |
| 06:09.44 | cem_ | LAN |
| 06:09.48 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: yeah |
| 06:09.54 | daehepod | ndiswrapper is for wireless cards only |
| 06:09.59 | madradrone | !tell gpm about kde 3.5 |
| 06:10.10 | gpm | ok |
| 06:10.12 | gpm | .. |
| 06:10.13 | gpm | thanks |
| 06:10.20 | gpm | i'll try it out when i'm good and ready |
| 06:10.23 | daehepod | it should only be used when there is no linux driver |
| 06:10.32 | daehepod | i'm going to play socom 3 now |
| 06:10.34 | aredhel | cem_, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:10.34 | daehepod | bbl |
| 06:10.56 | streuner_ | ultraviolet16: did you find your NIC here? http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List |
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| 06:11.24 | quitte | ultraviolet16: from a quick google there is a native linux driver |
| 06:11.28 | miki | A |
| 06:11.59 | gpm | bed time. |
| 06:12.16 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: really? wow i missed it. let me look again |
| 06:12.38 | aredhel | cem_, "man interfaces" for the how it works. |
| 06:13.02 | cem_ | thats not the file im looking for |
| 06:13.30 | aredhel | cem_, what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:14.33 | cem_ | find out my IP adress |
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| 06:14.53 | aredhel | cem_, run /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 06:15.56 | quitte | ultraviolet16: bcm43xx.berlios.de |
| 06:16.07 | Azar | hmm /list command does not work anymore? I am using irssi |
| 06:16.28 | streuner_ | quitte: read the URL too |
| 06:16.32 | streuner_ | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List |
| 06:16.45 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: thanks, I actually read in this site that the 64-bit driver needed to be employed.. so i'm going to give that a shot right now.. |
| 06:16.56 | cem_ | ok |
| 06:17.13 | quitte | streuner_: uhm why? |
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| 06:17.48 | MooglyTri | Random thought for any other professional software developers in here: How is it that an artist can be so stupid as to hand me an asset that's supposed to be used in-game, which totals 252 f'n MEGABYTES (the Xbox 360's total RAM size is 256 megs), then when I tell him that it's too damn big, he comes back three hours later with a 124-meg version of the asset, as if that's somehow better? |
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| 06:18.23 | cem_ | aredhel, theres not file i can just browse? |
| 06:18.23 | Azar | SerajewelKS: .. |
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| 06:18.45 | epsilon | how do I convert unix-time <-> y/m/d/h/s? |
| 06:19.08 | jm_ | epsilon: with date command |
| 06:19.16 | epsilon | thx |
| 06:20.13 | aredhel | cem_, there may be one in /proc some place, but ifconfig does tell you your ip address. Look for "eth0" and "inet addr:", for you lan ip address. |
| 06:20.23 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: yeah I saw this site last night.. but I didn't know what to do with the snapshot I downloaded |
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| 06:21.19 | ultraviolet16 | the native linux driver i mean |
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| 06:22.12 | quitte | ultraviolet16: it seems to work somehow but needs kernel patching. maybe ndiswrapper is the better choice for you. ototh the howto isnt bad |
| 06:22.46 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: the problem is now that the driver i installed before is the wrong driver.. |
| 06:22.50 | ultraviolet16 | but it won't let me remove it.. |
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| 06:22.59 | ultraviolet16 | i type in ndiswrapper -l and it's there.. |
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| 06:23.01 | rss | hi, any way to remove a package with all its depedants alongwith its configuration files? (doing apt-get remove someapp && dpkg -P someapp) |
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| 06:23.30 | rss | s/depedants/dependants |
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| 06:23.45 | ultraviolet16 | quitte: but then when I put ndiswrapper -e * it tells me that bcm*.inf isn't installed.. |
| 06:23.47 | jm_ | rss: use aptitude |
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| 06:24.11 | rss | jm_: used... it did not remove the configuration files of dependants |
| 06:24.34 | quitte | ultraviolet16: sorry, dont ask me. havent used ndiswrapper in months |
| 06:25.00 | ultraviolet16 | darn.. |
| 06:25.13 | ultraviolet16 | i hope that reboot might fix this. i'll be back |
| 06:25.20 | rss | jm_: tried it again... it is removing many unrelated packages |
| 06:25.50 | rss | jm_: like many gnome apps alongwith some random kde app |
| 06:26.21 | jm_ | rss: aptitude purge ... |
| 06:26.32 | jm_ | rss: that's because you didn't use it previously ;) |
| 06:27.29 | rss | jm_: isn't that insane! |
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| 06:28.49 | rss | jm_: it defies logic... why on the earth, inkscape needs to removed along with konsole? |
| 06:29.11 | jetscreamer | take the x with it |
| 06:29.15 | jm_ | rss: yeah, but it will be better after that and it has commands (*auto*) to deal with it |
| 06:29.17 | jetscreamer | console only ! |
| 06:29.45 | rss | jm_: you mean, it will not actually remove inkscape? |
| 06:30.50 | jm_ | rss: yeah it shouldn't do that once you tell it not to |
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| 06:31.37 | rss | jm_: how to tell it not to remove? |
| 06:31.46 | jm_ | I think it wanted to do the same on my system when I tried it back then, and I discovered those commands - the manual is worth reading |
| 06:31.48 | jm_ | rss: see above |
| 06:32.09 | jugglinx | hmm, where i can get information about my partitions? |
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| 06:32.16 | rss | jm_: fine |
| 06:32.53 | jm_ | jugglinx: cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:32.54 | rss | jugglinx: do fdisk /dev/hda(or hdb, hdc...) |
| 06:33.18 | jugglinx | thank i wil try rigth away :-) |
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| 06:33.51 | jessebs | I am having a reboot problem |
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| 06:34.02 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l |
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| 06:34.33 | mo1991 | I seem unable to update the nessus plugsins? get an errorUnknown error while decoding HTTP response (http error code = 1073933061) |
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| 06:34.45 | rss | jessebs: what kind? describe |
| 06:34.48 | mo1991 | when I run /usr/bin/nessus-fetch --register |
| 06:35.00 | mo1991 | anyone updated nessus here? |
| 06:35.49 | jessebs | when i issue shutdown -r now or reboot, everything seems to work great, but it goes to a blank screen, not POST after it |
| 06:35.53 | EleckttrusS | Hi! |
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| 06:36.27 | jessebs | halt followed by a manual power on works fine though |
| 06:36.35 | jm_ | jessebs: kernel knows about reboot option that can be used to affect its behaviour regarding this |
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| 06:37.16 | jessebs | so how do i correct this |
| 06:37.33 | rss | How come Debian uses a non-free font for its logo? |
| 06:37.47 | EleckttrusS | rss, ? |
| 06:38.05 | sunfish | im tired |
| 06:38.13 | EleckttrusS | rss, what do you say? |
| 06:38.13 | rss | EleckttrusS: the logo used in Debian logo is not free. |
| 06:38.26 | EleckttrusS | rss, no! |
| 06:38.32 | rss | EleckttrusS: it is. |
| 06:38.48 | EleckttrusS | rss, ... is creative comomd |
| 06:38.52 | EleckttrusS | is free |
| 06:38.58 | rss | EleckttrusS: Google out Poppl Laudatio |
| 06:39.20 | EleckttrusS | rss, it is no problem! |
| 06:39.21 | rss | EleckttrusS: is it a derivative of Laudatio? |
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| 06:39.31 | EleckttrusS | rss, i dont no |
| 06:39.49 | rss | EleckttrusS: is it identical to that used in the logo? |
| 06:40.03 | mo1991 | what is the command to restart the nessusd daemon |
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| 06:40.11 | Azar | rss I'd rather use the word "similar" which is not "identical" |
| 06:40.26 | EleckttrusS | mo1991, /etc/init.d/nessus restart |
| 06:40.28 | SlayerXP | mo1991: it's the same syntax as all other daemon restart commands |
| 06:40.28 | rss | mo1991: /etc/init.d/nessusd restart |
| 06:40.55 | jessebs | jm or jetscreamer, please |
| 06:41.40 | jetscreamer | well he said there are kernel options that might fix that. me, i was wondering how old your box is, and maybe it's an acpi/apm related problem |
| 06:41.41 | Azar | jessebs: why not using shutdown -h now ? |
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| 06:41.56 | mo1991 | hmm, I registered my nessus at the website but am not sure how to update the plugins, has anyone done this? |
| 06:41.58 | jetscreamer | what year is your bios |
| 06:42.09 | rss | Azar: similar is different, at least does it have similar tittle(the dot above i and j and the cross on the t?)? |
| 06:42.10 | jessebs | let me check |
| 06:42.36 | jetscreamer | iirc the kernel disables acpi <2001bios |
| 06:42.56 | jetscreamer | but there are some that slip though or something |
| 06:43.02 | Azar | rss, was just a thought I do not have a logo at bootup I just boot in plain bash command line |
| 06:43.03 | jetscreamer | you can adjust it |
| 06:43.30 | jessebs | 12/21/2001 |
| 06:43.33 | mo1991 | rss - do you know what command I issue to nessusd to get it to update the plugins? I have already registered it |
| 06:43.36 | jessebs | but it has worked |
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| 06:43.50 | rss | mo1991: no, I have never used it. |
| 06:44.32 | Azar | EleckttrusS: obviously nobody here |
| 06:44.44 | EleckttrusS | you know of an user group in Florida? |
| 06:45.02 | rss | EleckttrusS: google. |
| 06:45.06 | Azar | EleckttrusS: I only come to #debian to discuss debian |
| 06:45.14 | jetscreamer | well then maybe it doesn't work now :( |
| 06:45.27 | jugglinx | df -h |
| 06:45.27 | jetscreamer | is it just linux? |
| 06:45.36 | jugglinx | upps |
| 06:45.44 | jessebs | no other OS on it |
| 06:45.51 | EleckttrusS | Azar, is logic! |
| 06:45.52 | rss | Azar: don't be puritanical, Debian and linux are related. |
| 06:46.03 | EleckttrusS | rss, ok |
| 06:46.14 | Azar | rss: my bad Debian Linux 3.1 and 3.0 |
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| 06:46.22 | SlayerXP | rss: debian can run just fine without the linux kernel |
| 06:46.22 | jetscreamer | you might try a live cd like #kanotix or something and see if the behavior is duplicated, to determine if it's a software or hardware problem |
| 06:46.28 | rss | Azar: GNU/Linux |
| 06:46.31 | Guerin | Azar: GNU |
| 06:46.38 | rss | SlayerXP: not for Average Joe |
| 06:46.39 | jessebs | ok, i think i have a knoppix cd somewhere |
| 06:46.44 | Guerin | !rmssmite Azar |
| 06:46.48 | miki | anyone got HP 1510 printer-scanner-xero installed on debian ? |
| 06:46.50 | jetscreamer | or you might flash the bios if it's a bios thing... |
| 06:47.02 | jetscreamer | miki: linux.hp.com |
| 06:47.03 | Azar | ah yes I forgot: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, 3.1 and the future versions of it |
| 06:47.12 | Azar | :) |
| 06:47.12 | jessebs | ya, in the process of finding a new bios, too |
| 06:47.50 | rss | SlayerXP: what would I use those eclectic kernels for? |
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| 06:48.22 | SlayerXP | rss: booting once in a while to smell the nostalgia. |
| 06:48.24 | Guerin | rss: anything you like, see freedom #0 |
| 06:48.39 | SlayerXP | "gosh, I remember the days when freebsd was actually fast" |
| 06:48.55 | rss | Guerin: One man's food is another's posion. :P |
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| 06:49.42 | rss | miki: is that a MFD? |
| 06:50.26 | rss | miki: I tried to configure one from HP, only printer worked. |
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| 06:52.05 | jessebs | jetstreamer: knoppix rebooted nicely |
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| 06:52.34 | rss | jessebs: Knoppix version and kernel's version used in that? |
| 06:52.39 | jetscreamer | jessebs: tab completion for nicks |
| 06:52.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:53.09 | jetscreamer | well you know it's not the box now then |
| 06:53.49 | jessebs | so suggestions on a fix? |
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| 06:53.53 | jetscreamer | !streuner |
| 06:53.53 | dpkg | i love him |
| 06:53.55 | mo1991 | anyone know how to update the nessus plugins for sarge |
| 06:53.57 | jessebs | i will still do a bios upgrade |
| 06:53.57 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:54.10 | streuner | jetscreamer: ;-) |
| 06:54.16 | jetscreamer | what kernel in knoppix, and what kernel in debian |
| 06:54.31 | jm_ | Knoppix 4.0.2 has 2.6.12 |
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| 06:54.44 | jetscreamer | i mean the one she just used |
| 06:54.47 | jessebs | knoppix 3.6 |
| 06:54.59 | jm_ | that should be just as old as Sarge |
| 06:55.04 | rss | mo1991: read its documentation in /usr/share/doc/nessus/ |
| 06:55.15 | jessebs | running debian unstable |
| 06:55.17 | jm_ | then again, Knoppix may load some extra modules and/or use different options |
| 06:55.20 | jetscreamer | what kernel |
| 06:55.32 | jessebs | finding it |
| 06:55.33 | jessebs | hang on |
| 06:55.35 | jetscreamer | in sid |
| 06:55.54 | jessebs | 2.4.27 |
| 06:56.18 | jetscreamer | i'd roll one. |
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| 06:56.27 | rss | jessebs: what is the kernel on sid? |
| 06:56.33 | jessebs | debian is currently using: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 06:56.39 | mo1991 | rss - got it sorry |
| 06:56.44 | jetscreamer | oh the 2.4.27 was the knoppix |
| 06:56.46 | rss | mo1991: cool. |
| 06:56.49 | jm_ | you're using sid and lagging like that with kernel? makes no sense |
| 06:56.50 | mo1991 | nessus-update-plugins |
| 06:56.52 | jessebs | jetscreamer correct |
| 06:56.54 | mo1991 | easy enough |
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| 06:57.01 | jetscreamer | that's an old kernel |
| 06:57.12 | jessebs | the sid kernel? |
| 06:57.22 | jetscreamer | think it's up to .15 |
| 06:57.50 | jessebs | i will update |
| 06:57.52 | jetscreamer | in fact i know it is since i just redid one 30 minutes ago |
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| 06:58.15 | jetscreamer | that 'might' fix it |
| 06:58.17 | jessebs | let me attempt that |
| 06:58.19 | jetscreamer | might not |
| 06:58.41 | jessebs | and a bios update if i can find a floppy drive lying around |
| 06:58.46 | Azar | jessebs: just out of curiosity, why are you running sid? |
| 06:59.13 | jessebs | fun? |
| 06:59.21 | Azar | jessebs: ah I see :) |
| 06:59.44 | jm_ | fun? what fun is in asking other for help without doing some research first? |
| 06:59.49 | jm_ | others* |
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| 07:00.03 | jessebs | jm_: I did research |
| 07:00.18 | Azar | jessebs: I guess you should dive in learning basic debian ways first... but your take.. |
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| 07:00.26 | jm_ | jessebs: I don't believe you - first thing you would stumble upon on doing so, would be "reboot" kernel parameter |
| 07:00.47 | jessebs | glad to see your willingness to support... |
| 07:01.00 | jm_ | that's not support, that's holding your hand |
| 07:01.40 | Azar | jessebs: don't be cranky, you seem not to know fundamentals of debian, jump on sid, do things without knowing what you do, then come for help, and ofcourse have some fun |
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| 07:02.58 | sunfish | we are holding hands? |
| 07:03.30 | jetscreamer | !zn |
| 07:03.35 | jessebs | Azar: funny how I manage to get everything right until out of the blue i notice an error right before deployment and seek some quick assistance |
| 07:03.37 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 07:03.55 | rss | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.03 | Azar | I guess there are two main reason one would use sid: 1. he has enought knowledge and experience with Debian and wants to have fun and explore. 2. The hardware or type of jobs doing on Debian requires a higher kernel and some packages unsupported by the stable or testing |
| 07:04.18 | rss | oh, extra spaces |
| 07:04.19 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-zn |
| 07:05.10 | sunfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.12 | jetscreamer | oh :) |
| 07:05.19 | jetscreamer | /join #linux-zh |
| 07:05.23 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:05.27 | sunfish | maybe i didnt compile this right? |
| 07:05.30 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-zh |
| 07:05.50 | jetscreamer | !zh |
| 07:05.50 | dpkg | zh is probably see cn |
| 07:06.17 | bleaked | would anyone know why the debian pkg of gaim comes w/out silc support? |
| 07:06.18 | Azar | jessebs: there are two ways one can deal with a Debian system: learn the basics, follow the debian way rules and has no big problems -- or -- treat Debian as a general linux system and start installing and configuring stuff disregarding the rules, ofcourse borks happen and they run here for help |
| 07:06.20 | sunfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.46 | hatake_kakashi | jetscreamer: wtf? |
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| 07:07.54 | sunfish | anyone use a linksys Nslu2? |
| 07:08.01 | foo | Alright, I have crossover office open with microsoft word. I print something, and for some darn reason something is changing the margins when I print. I open the same document on a windows machine with the network printer and it prints just fine, but when I print from linux it ads on extra margins to the top / right side of the paper. Any ideas? |
| 07:08.01 | jessebs | Azar: why dont you quit complaining. if you dont like it, dont be in a place offering support to people |
| 07:08.25 | rene- | hey, i have a debian box with qmailtoaster installed, i remember it was a difficult install, then i tried exim and dovecot in another box and that was much easier, i want that in my box, but i cant find startup scripts for qmail/courier in /etc/rc2.d and neither rcconf is showing anything, can anyone with the same config help me? |
| 07:08.36 | jm_ | likewise, if you don't like it, you can quit too |
| 07:09.03 | Gnea | rene-: what about in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 07:09.09 | sunfish | man #debian is getting dicey |
| 07:09.15 | rss | foo: I have never used crossover office... I recomment you contact them for support. It is proprietary, they have their own notion of service. |
| 07:09.16 | jetscreamer | what's the command to change to utf8 in xchat |
| 07:09.19 | Gnea | sunfish: nothing new |
| 07:09.28 | Guerin | !anyone use a linksys Nslu2? |
| 07:09.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses a linksys Nslu2, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:09.44 | sunfish | hey hey |
| 07:09.56 | jessebs | jetscreamer: thank you very much. kernel upgrade seems to have fixed it |
| 07:09.59 | Guerin | start by asking the question to which you want an answer |
| 07:10.29 | sunfish | Guerin: I hope your not talking to me |
| 07:10.46 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:10.47 | Guerin | sunfish: you're, and yes I am. |
| 07:10.56 | rss | sunfish: ask to the point, ask specifically. |
| 07:10.56 | sunfish | as i have no question, and was insted looking to start a general conversation |
| 07:11.01 | foo | rss: Printings from open office look the same, if not worse. |
| 07:11.02 | Gnea | !tell sunfish about ask |
| 07:11.08 | Guerin | sunfish: oh. you want #whogivesafuck |
| 07:11.17 | rene- | Gnea: i have looked there there were only two courier start up scripts there has to be morre |
| 07:11.22 | Gnea | sunfish: not applicable |
| 07:11.36 | sunfish | haha |
| 07:11.53 | rene- | my ps aux | grep mail output shows some 10 running things |
| 07:12.00 | Guerin | unless you want to talk about beer, food, which editor is better, canadian change of government, sleep-deprivation, midget porn or other such things |
| 07:12.14 | Gnea | rene-: those are the only place for them, the rc dirs are just symlinks to them - what makes you think there *has* to be more? have you not checked the package contents to make sure? |
| 07:12.24 | Guerin | these things have all been known to be almost not offtopic in the past |
| 07:12.32 | sunfish | wow.... you, have had to much soda |
| 07:12.44 | Gnea | sunfish: please stop trolling. |
| 07:12.54 | rene- | that is exactly my point, when i tried dovecot hadnt i liked it i could just do apt-get remove dovecot and that was it |
| 07:13.09 | rss | foo: You can find scores of people who use openoffice.org and can help you out regarding that, we have a responsibility to pay back to the community in some way; but for a proprietary software, ask them, who sold it to you. |
| 07:13.10 | sunfish | are you kidding? calm down, this is a community |
| 07:13.21 | Gnea | !troll sunfish |
| 07:13.25 | rene- | qmailtoaster was a dreadful experience of downloading tons of source packages and then patching them i remember that was over 25 steps |
| 07:13.32 | Guerin | rss: qmail sucks, that's more or less all that needs to be said. |
| 07:13.43 | Gnea | rene-: so you didn't install the qmail .deb packages? |
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| 07:13.47 | rss | Guerin: :) |
| 07:13.48 | foo | rss: Yeah, I gocha. Something is adding margins to everything. I'll look into it, thanks |
| 07:13.50 | rene- | no |
| 07:14.02 | Guerin | rss: the only saving grace about it is that it defaultly lives in /var/qmail, so if you delete that, you should get most of it. |
| 07:14.23 | rss | Guerin: I did ask anyone about qmail! SOS! |
| 07:15.00 | Zugschlus | qmail is buggy, unmaintained, slow, a bandwidth hog, and non-free. Is there _any_ reason to use it? |
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| 07:15.06 | Gnea | rene-: then you're going to have to find everything and remove it by hand. using non-debian source with debian is discouraged. as for courier, dpkg -S should tell you what's up |
| 07:15.13 | Gnea | !qmail |
| 07:15.14 | dpkg | hmm... qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 07:15.26 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start and mta war |
| 07:15.38 | Gnea | !start an mta war |
| 07:15.38 | dpkg | postfix is hard to configure |
| 07:15.40 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 07:15.47 | rene- | i wish i had done a deb install, well time to go clean up the mess |
| 07:16.02 | Gnea | the road to recovery is rough |
| 07:16.07 | Gnea | but worth it :) |
| 07:16.41 | rss | rene-: qmail is not worth the effort ;) |
| 07:17.03 | Gnea | rss: READ: rene- wants to get rid of qmail and replace it with a real MTA |
| 07:17.06 | Guerin | rss: sorry |
| 07:17.13 | Guerin | rene-: see my advice to rss |
| 07:17.30 | rene- | nah courier also installed from source |
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| 07:17.38 | rss | Gnea: good |
| 07:18.00 | Gnea | rss: i think you dropped your reading glasses 8) |
| 07:18.24 | rss | Gnea: too much channel surfing :P |
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| 07:18.48 | Gnea | rss: there's a tv. there's a door. there's a trashbin. ;) |
| 07:19.19 | rss | Gnea: and there is IRC |
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| 07:23.40 | holy_cow | can someone that has java webstart running on their firefox send me their mimeTypes.rdf file from their ~/.mozilla/firefox/user directory? |
| 07:24.05 | holy_cow | i need to figure out why applets work but why a .jnlp file is something moz refuses to execute as a java app |
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| 07:26.25 | m0dY | sup all |
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| 07:27.28 | m0dY | i've just got a dual opteron 244 box, may i know if it's better to use the Debian AMD 64 bit os or the normal 32 bit edition!!!!? |
| 07:27.55 | Azar | m0dY: find out if your AMD is in fact a true 64bit |
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| 07:28.21 | jm_ | he said it's Opteron, what else could it possibly be |
| 07:28.37 | Azar | jm_ sorry I missed that |
| 07:28.50 | Azar | I was thinking athlon |
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| 07:30.18 | mo1991 | is there anyone here that can help me examining an ethereal log - I believe someone may have been able to break into my ssh port and I want to figure out how and if any damage was done. I also have an ssh-invade file on my computer that was created by root (not me tho) that appears to be from this attack - I shut down my port 22 while some type of transfer was going on and transfer stopped |
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| 07:31.43 | TBBle | mo1991: I doubt an ethereal log will help... That's kind of the point of ssh. |
| 07:32.12 | mo1991 | TBBle - how would someone break into this port? using the stock ssh daemon? |
| 07:32.33 | mo1991 | also, is there anyway to determine what this ssh-invade file does? It is not a binary and can't open with vi |
| 07:32.38 | rss | how to get rid of j2sdk manually installed on sarge? (not by me) |
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| 07:32.47 | TBBle | mo1991: Poor password choice, undisclosed bug, disclosed but unfixed bug, known and fixed bug in a version more recent than that you installed. |
| 07:33.04 | TBBle | mo1991: What you need to do is pull the hard disks out, rebuild your system and then do a file-by-file comparison to see to what level you wre rootkitted, and analyse the various attack files to determine _how_ you were attacked. |
| 07:33.05 | streuner | rss: via an deb? |
| 07:33.08 | mo1991 | TBBle - I have installed all of the updates though |
| 07:33.20 | TBBle | mo1991: OK. Rule out the last one. That still leaves the first three. |
| 07:33.26 | streuner | rss: if its not a deb, just use 'rm |
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| 07:33.31 | bibe | rss : manually installed with 'dpkg -i' or using the binary provided by Sun? |
| 07:33.33 | rss | streuner: no from a bin from sun's website |
| 07:33.45 | streuner | rss: man rm |
| 07:33.48 | rss | where all will be it? |
| 07:33.58 | rss | streuner: aah... don't insult |
| 07:34.00 | bibe | rss : simply rm -r the directory you installed it into |
| 07:34.16 | rss | streuner: does it exist only in a directory? |
| 07:34.19 | streuner | rss: where is the insult? |
| 07:34.26 | rss | streuner: man rm |
| 07:34.31 | zeballin3 | I did a dist-upgrade to my sid install the other day and now neither my pen drive nor camera is seen by debian. |
| 07:34.38 | streuner | rss: and that is an insult? |
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| 07:34.53 | rss | streuner: sure, it is ;) |
| 07:34.53 | streuner | Don't make me to insult you! |
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| 07:35.16 | mo1991 | TBBle - would it be possible to find the attack files by time/date? |
| 07:35.23 | rss | streuner: as I said... the objective of that install is to get java support for firefox |
| 07:35.31 | TBBle | mo1991: Nope. Once your machine is compromised, you can trust nothing. |
| 07:35.31 | mo1991 | the ssh-invade file has a time stamp on it from the time that I closed the port |
| 07:35.51 | rss | streuner, bibe: where would be that java plugin for firefox? |
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| 07:36.36 | Xeridon | mo1991: essentially if the person knows what they're doing then they'll circumvent any file timestamps easily enough |
| 07:36.36 | streuner | rss: if you going to ask how you r(e)m(ove) a binary installed by someone, its fair to answer with 'man rm', isn't it? |
| 07:36.48 | holy_cow | rss, you should be able to use ubuntu instructions on how to use the sun bin files for latest jre to create a deb |
| 07:36.51 | mo1991 | TBBle - what do you mean by what level you were rootkitted |
| 07:37.07 | holy_cow | rss, check ubuntu's wiki they have info on it, the procedure is same on debian |
| 07:37.10 | bibe | rss : 'ln -s /path/to/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/' installs the plugin |
| 07:37.16 | rss | streuner: it is fair |
| 07:37.26 | holy_cow | or what bibe said :) |
| 07:37.51 | rss | holy_cow, bibe: i need to remove it... it is slowing down firefox on a 32 meg RAM |
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| 07:38.12 | holy_cow | alternatively please be aware that the installation procedure does not properly register .jnlp as a java webstart application and you will need to tell firefox to user /usr/bin/javaws file permanently to create the correct mimetype |
| 07:38.34 | mo1991 | Xeridon - I know what you mean - would a file by file comparison really show how they broke in? |
| 07:38.47 | TBBle | mo1991: I mean just how deeply the attacked succeeded in subverting your computer to hide the traces of the attack. |
| 07:38.49 | holy_cow | rss, your running firefox on a machine with 32 megs of ram? how is that possible? |
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| 07:39.05 | bibe | rss : use dillo |
| 07:39.06 | Xeridon | mo1991 it's probably the only certain way to see what has and hasn't been changed since the attack |
| 07:39.23 | rss | holy_cow: it is possible |
| 07:39.24 | bibe | rss : to remove it, look for a symlink into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ |
| 07:39.26 | rene- | my box is qmail free now |
| 07:39.34 | bibe | !beer rene- |
| 07:39.39 | rss | rene-: Congratulations |
| 07:39.44 | mo1991 | TBBle - Xeridon - you would recommend I reinstall sarge then? How do I protect myself from this type of attack in the future? |
| 07:39.44 | TBBle | mo1991: If you're lucky, no rootkit was installed, a file-by-file comparison will show nothing untoward in system files, just the extra attack files. |
| 07:39.48 | rene- | thanks |
| 07:39.48 | rss | bibe: thanks |
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| 07:40.03 | Xeridon | mo1991: with that said, just as TBBle is suggesting, how far into your system the attacker got affects whether or not you really need to do something like that |
| 07:40.06 | TBBle | mo1991: If you were running Sarge before, and want to do a file-by-file comparison, then yes. |
| 07:40.13 | holy_cow | rss, it is highly recommended to use the proper software for the properly matched hardware configuration. how are you managing to run anything under 32 megs ram? running a lightweight desktop environment? why not just use lynx or whatever |
| 07:40.28 | rss | holy_cow: window maker |
| 07:40.34 | huhlig | hey. anyone know what would cause the error "tty/2: 1 input overrun(s)" |
| 07:40.45 | huhlig | when trying to read from a serial gps |
| 07:40.57 | TBBle | mo1991: If you're unlucky, you'll find an extra kernel module or something on the hard disk which was making certain files invisible to ls or redirecting executable-mappings of files differently to read-mappings. (The Sony rootkit-style) |
| 07:41.13 | holy_cow | rss, if you want to remove plugins from firefox they are located in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins ... delete them from there |
| 07:41.18 | rss | holy_cow: it is bearable... I don't use firefox much |
| 07:41.21 | vyrus001 | is there a rapository somwhere of rpc client commands and what they do ? |
| 07:41.33 | mo1991 | Xeridon - the funny thing is the ssh-invade file was located in the documents folder in my normal users directory |
| 07:41.35 | jm_ | vyrus001: what do you want to do? |
| 07:41.56 | mo1991 | Xeridon - like someone wanted me to find it |
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| 07:42.02 | TBBle | mo1991: If you're reallly boned, you'll find lists of hundreds of brute-forced ssh passwords hidden somewhere, as well as evidence of several different attacks being launched against distinct targets with distinct styles, indicated your were compromised a long time ago and the criminals have been selling root access on your box on the black market. |
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| 07:42.27 | ctx144k | hi |
| 07:42.36 | rss | holy_cow: thanks |
| 07:42.42 | vyrus001 | jm_: well id like to understnad wtf i can do with rpc client... aside from doing some pentesting on some of my local computers |
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| 07:43.05 | Azar | TBBle: is not possible to deny root access via ssh? |
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| 07:43.27 | Guerin | there's no point in denying root over shh |
| 07:43.28 | TBBle | Azar: Sure it is. Doesn't prevent a hack, only prevents brute-forcing the root password over ssh. |
| 07:43.28 | Guerin | ssh |
| 07:43.33 | jm_ | vyrus001: it's used for Remote Procedure Calls - i.e. a clinet on one machine sends some data to the server, server processes it and sends it back and things like that |
| 07:43.33 | huhlig | hmm |
| 07:43.40 | mo1991 | TBBle - how would I look for this? Also, this installation is not that old. My password is not easy. ALso, I use ethereal to scan network traffic and this is the only time I've noticed anything - the reason I noticed was my computer was running kinda loud for no reason |
| 07:43.47 | Azar | I see, thanks TBBle |
| 07:43.48 | Guerin | if your root pass is weak enough to be bruteforced, then you're already owned |
| 07:44.05 | mo1991 | Guerin - how can I test this? |
| 07:44.24 | Guerin | mo1991: what the others have been saying |
| 07:44.46 | TBBle | mo1991: What you need to do is pull the hard disks out, rebuild your system and then do a file-by-file comparison to see to what level you wre rootkitted, and analyse the various attack files to determine _how_ you were attacked. |
| 07:44.47 | Guerin | mo1991: take the box offline immediately, take an image of the media, and do your diagnostics on a known-clean machine |
| 07:44.57 | vyrus001 | jm_: so i could use it in thiory to control and or run commands on a nother windows box?... soudns like fun.. too bad i dont know what the commands do |
| 07:45.04 | Guerin | it's Bloody Hard Work |
| 07:45.35 | jm_ | vyrus001: yes, although Windows has other (say native) mechanisms to achieve this (i.e. not Sun RPC-s) |
| 07:45.41 | mo1991 | guerin - no I mean to test to see if my password can be bruteforced. Is there a bruteforce pass buster for debian |
| 07:46.05 | TBBle | Guerin: The point of denying root over ssh is that it ensures you have some kind of record of which admin did the dumb-ass thing that broke the mail server last thing Friday night. ^_^ |
| 07:46.10 | jm_ | sure is, but you need an useful dictionary |
| 07:46.34 | Azar | mo1991: I am a newbie though I know how to look in the /var/log/auth.log and see what is going on |
| 07:46.35 | TBBle | mo1991: Uhh, cracklib2 can hook into pam's password-change function and tell you when you set a dumb-ass password. |
| 07:47.06 | TBBle | mo1991: Alternatively, once you've done the forensics on the hard disk, if they were installing a brute-force ssh attacker, you'll _have_ a nice big password dictionary. |
| 07:47.07 | Guerin | TBBle: heh. |
| 07:47.34 | vyrus001 | jm_: so i take it there is no table or somthing online that will link up rpc raw commands to windows netsh or somthing ? |
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| 07:47.47 | Guerin | mo1991: run john on it |
| 07:48.06 | jm_ | vyrus001: I don't know, I don't have to deal with Windows |
| 07:48.35 | Guerin | mo1991: if your passwords can withstand 24 hours of john on a fastish box, it's a fair bet they won't be bruteforced |
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| 07:49.32 | mo1991 | Guerin - I will run John now - where can I get a bruteforce program to test as well? |
| 07:49.52 | jm_ | that's a bruteforce cracker |
| 07:50.22 | mo1991 | jm_john is? |
| 07:50.30 | mo1991 | john the ripper I guess? |
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| 07:50.31 | jm_ | mo1991: yes, read its description |
| 07:50.31 | tyranix | mo1991: Disable passwords and only allow public keys (with passwords) for ssh. |
| 07:50.49 | liable | yerp |
| 07:50.56 | mungewell | Hi. Having G++ ABI problems and would like confirmation what version ABI Debian Sarge + Backports should be using.... wxGTK appears to be using 1002 whilst current g++ is building to 102. |
| 07:51.51 | TBBle | mungewell: unstable is gcc3.4/4's, sarge is gcc3-gcc3.3's, as I recall. |
| 07:52.13 | mo1991 | Guerin - i have installed john, what command do I run john - in order to test the passwords on my system |
| 07:52.37 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 07:52.52 | elephantMan | How can i partition easly a new partition ? |
| 07:53.21 | elephantMan | I tried 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2' but now its says : Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 07:53.33 | mungewell | So gcc3.3 should be building to ABI 102 (seeing this when compiling myself), does this means that wxGTK is built wrong? How can I check for certain? |
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| 07:53.41 | TBBle | mo1991: BTW, are you sure the attacker got _in_ via ssh? |
| 07:53.46 | SimonRaven | unstable is pretty much all 3.4 and 4 |
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| 07:53.59 | TBBle | mungewell: If wxGTK's in backports with 1002, then yes, it's wrong. |
| 07:54.10 | rss | Yay! I too got rid of Sunj2sdk1.5 |
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| 07:54.16 | TBBle | mungewell: Unless it had good reason, I suppose. |
| 07:54.24 | mo1991 | TBBle - not really, I just know that this was the port that ethereal was transferring on |
| 07:54.26 | rss | firefox is now very fast |
| 07:54.43 | Gnea | yes, it crashes faster than ever |
| 07:54.47 | Guerin | mo1991: man john |
| 07:54.50 | TBBle | mo1991: Oh well. Hopefully the file-by-file will turn it up. |
| 07:54.51 | mo1991 | TBBle do I just run the john command with the /etc/passwd file to see if my passwords are ok |
| 07:55.07 | TBBle | mo1991: I can't imagine why you addressed that comment to me. |
| 07:55.17 | mo1991 | sorry |
| 07:55.17 | tyranix | Gnea: hmm you're looking at it the wrong way. It reclaims memory faster than before! |
| 07:55.22 | mo1991 | meant Guerin |
| 07:55.32 | Gnea | tyranix: LMAO |
| 07:55.40 | holy_cow | rss, no it is fast, your computer is slow. your trying to run an application on a piece of hardware not designed for it. which by definition actually makes it your fault for not having proper understanding of your tools |
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| 07:56.19 | Gnea | holy_cow: OMG, people are now programmed in the womb to know how to use a computer?! |
| 07:56.21 | mungewell | This is what I get when I attempt to run my compiled app: - The library used 2.6 (no debug,ANSI,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx containers,compatible with 2.4), and your program used 2.6 (no debug,ANSI,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx containers,compatible with 2.4). |
| 07:56.51 | holy_cow | Gnea, if they were only programmed to problem solve, they wouldn't run into those issues |
| 07:57.07 | mo1991 | Guerin - are there any other files other than /etc/passwd I should be concerned with? |
| 07:57.23 | Guerin | mo1991: not as regards passwords. |
| 07:57.32 | Gnea | holy_cow: issues are on any given magazine rack. it's unavoidable. |
| 07:57.41 | SimonRaven | /etc/shadow ... |
| 07:57.42 | jm_ | mo1991: typically passwords are stored in shadow file, not passwd |
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| 07:57.44 | rss | holy_cow: it wasn't me who had installed java... but then it does make firefox a lot slower |
| 07:57.47 | besonen | can someone point me to a document that describes how to get php working with apache? i'm running stable and have installed apache and php4 but apache doesn't seem to know php exists. |
| 07:58.01 | rss | holy_cow: irrespective of hardware |
| 07:58.08 | Guerin | besonen: libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 07:58.39 | holy_cow | Gnea, ultimately one can only sit back and watch the disaster that is humanity |
| 07:58.45 | Guerin | SimonRaven: well, obviously. |
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| 07:59.00 | jm_ | weird, I would expect that php4 would install that first, before libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 07:59.09 | SimonRaven | Guerin: :) |
| 07:59.18 | besonen | Guerin: libapache-mod-php4 is already installed |
| 07:59.30 | Gnea | holy_cow: might as well order a pizza while yer at it |
| 07:59.42 | holy_cow | Gnea, clearly your an idiot |
| 07:59.53 | rss | holy_cow: is that a new reality show? |
| 07:59.56 | Gnea | holy_cow: pardon? |
| 07:59.59 | SimonRaven | holy_cow: shit happens :/ |
| 08:00.06 | TBBle | On pizza? Yuck. |
| 08:00.16 | Xeridon | besonen: is it enabled in the modules section of your apache conf? |
| 08:00.21 | SimonRaven | at least the tories don't have a majority gov't |
| 08:00.21 | Gnea | holy_cow: i'm sorry... i'm... human.... a human being.... and thus and... idiot... |
| 08:00.31 | holy_cow | ... as am i ... |
| 08:00.31 | Gnea | s/and/an/ |
| 08:00.38 | Gnea | idiot. |
| 08:00.42 | Xeridon | besonen: or loaded or whatever it is |
| 08:00.42 | Guerin | besonen: it should have sorted itself automatically, but you might need to make sure the php module is getting loaded in httpd.conf |
| 08:00.54 | holy_cow | i cannot deny that. |
| 08:00.57 | cheal | hey SimonRaven. saw the good news? ;) |
| 08:01.04 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:01.10 | SimonRaven | cheal: yeh yeh |
| 08:01.18 | mo1991 | Guerin - I ran john /etc/shadow - it says Loaded 2 passwords with 2 different salts - is it running now? sorry about the dumb questions but I am new to this people breaking in stuff |
| 08:01.20 | besonen | ok, i'll check those things Xeridon and Guerin |
| 08:01.36 | Guerin | mo1991: ps ax |
| 08:01.39 | Xeridon | besonen yeah when I said apache conf i meant the httpd one |
| 08:01.39 | TBBle | besonen: I think the Apache1.3 module auto-loader looks for a PHP directive in the config before it'll automatically load it... You might have to use php_admin_value or whatever it is somewhere. |
| 08:01.50 | SimonRaven | cheal: looks like an um, "interesting time" |
| 08:01.56 | TBBle | besonen: Uh, autoloader script I mean. |
| 08:02.06 | SimonRaven | as in the chinese curse |
| 08:02.08 | mo1991 | Guerin - BTW I notice that the timestamp on the shadow file is the same as the time I noticed the ssh transfer |
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| 08:02.36 | ctx144k | hi |
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| 08:03.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:03.20 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:03.29 | tarzeau | what device does gnome-cd use? |
| 08:03.32 | ctx144k | im searching a good howto to build an own debian based distribution, anyone have one? |
| 08:03.33 | cheal | SimonRaven: I unfortunately don't know enough about China to appreciate your wiseness |
| 08:03.44 | tarzeau | ah it can be configured. wow |
| 08:03.54 | tarzeau | isn't that too complicated for gnome users? |
| 08:04.17 | SimonRaven | cheal: "may you live in interesting times" - interesting here meant as 'eventful', to put it mildly |
| 08:04.32 | ctx144k | it shouldbe 2 systems in one system... first a knoppix-like, second an installer |
| 08:04.56 | cheal | SimonRaven: I guess |
| 08:05.15 | rss | SimonRaven: I guess, Kennedy concocted that ;) |
| 08:05.21 | ctx144k | the programs shouldbe the same as debian-sarge, only a newer kernel (2.6.14) and postgresql8.1 |
| 08:05.23 | cheal | SimonRaven: event as in, change, finally? :) |
| 08:07.12 | Guerin | mo1991: aha. |
| 08:07.14 | SimonRaven | cheal: heh. |
| 08:07.24 | SimonRaven | rss: you sure? ok |
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| 08:09.39 | rss | SimonRaven: no, some Kennedy(must be Robert |
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| 08:09.57 | rss | used it first) and it became a rage in newspapers |
| 08:10.18 | SimonRaven | i see |
| 08:10.21 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 08:11.38 | mo1991 | Guerin - looks like john is trying - I'll let it run. BTW - how would someone do this type of attack remotely? they would have to break in first correct? |
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| 08:19.12 | Azar | I am not using kde or gnome, just openbox is there a firewall application I could use ? |
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| 08:20.35 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.55 | liable | Azar: shorewall |
| 08:21.01 | Azar | thank you liable |
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| 08:24.31 | tengulre11 | http://www.microsoft.com/winme/01mitt/bulk/15515/110kstreamingmitts/linux1/manifest.xml |
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| 08:26.01 | mo1991 | how can i read packets captured by ethereal that are transmitted uncrypted by say telnet? |
| 08:26.23 | jm_ | what do you mean ho wcan you read them? you can investigate them in ethereal itself |
| 08:26.33 | elephantMan | I am under 'cfdisk' to partition /dev/sda2 => I want to use 'ext3 fs' but its not labelled as this : Is it 'Linux (83)' Or 'Linux extended (85)' ? |
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| 08:26.57 | jm_ | elephantMan: the former |
| 08:28.16 | Morden | Does a binary file contain only 0 and 1? |
| 08:28.21 | tyranix | Azar: you mean besides iptables? |
| 08:28.41 | elephantMan | jm_, you mean 'Linux extended' ? |
| 08:28.49 | jm_ | elephantMan: no, that would be the latter |
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| 08:29.28 | elephantMan | jm_, ok thanx...i am lacking some english words |
| 08:29.41 | Azar | tyranix, yes |
| 08:30.12 | Azar | I was trying to get a more easy for a newbie firewall, I am trying with iptables for like 3 months now, and I can't get it |
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| 08:32.39 | Zap-W | are bugfixes uploaded to sarge , or only security updates? |
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| 08:33.26 | Azar | hmm so it is not a gui-based firewall |
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| 08:35.58 | chealer_ | Zap-W: only serious bugfixes, or none in practice |
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| 08:36.20 | jm_ | Azar: read iptables tutorial |
| 08:36.23 | elephantMan | I tried to 'cfdisk /dev/sda2' which is an unmounted old 'ntfs' partition...but i have a problem |
| 08:37.03 | jm_ | you cfdisk /dev/sdam not /dev/sda2 ... |
| 08:37.11 | jm_ | sda, even |
| 08:37.12 | Azar | jm_ yes I keep reading them but is hard to figure out what I am doing |
| 08:37.31 | elephantMan | After selecting 'Linux' fs + Logical + Non bootable => Write. It says : "WroNo primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.e. Toggle bootable flag of the current partition" |
| 08:37.40 | jm_ | Azar: GUI tools/frontends won't make it any easier, because you'll just screw up without understanding what is going on |
| 08:37.52 | Azar | jm_ right |
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| 08:38.03 | elephantMan | Does anyone know about this...i can't find answers on google |
| 08:38.16 | jm_ | you don't really need to have partitions toggled bootable with lilo or GRUB, but some BIOS-es are stupid enough and require it |
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| 08:38.41 | mo1991 | jm_ is there a way to summarize the transers of say telnet - example " each packet contains a telnet data of password" one packet contains p, the next contains a, next contains s, etc. |
| 08:39.06 | mo1991 | looking for how do I get it to just show the breakdown of a section of packets telnet data |
| 08:39.46 | Azar | jm_ heck I am not even able to list a string of IPs in the same newtork |
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| 08:40.07 | Azar | less how to calculate a netmask |
| 08:40.14 | jm_ | mo1991: click on the initial SYN packet in Ethereal and then do Analyze -> Follow TCP stream |
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| 08:40.58 | jm_ | Azar: use gipsc or a similar tool |
| 08:41.15 | jm_ | there's also a Howto related to subnetting |
| 08:41.23 | elephantMan | jm_, ok so i should toogle 'bootable' on the partition as it says ? I thought you should have only one partition bootable and its already on /dev/sda1. Is it bad if i have my /dev/sda2 that is logical+Linux fs+bootable "before" /dev/sda3 that is "Extended" ? |
| 08:41.57 | jm_ | elephantMan: yes, logical drives are part of Extended partitions, so they starts at 5 |
| 08:42.12 | mo1991 | jm_ thanks now shows all data transfered |
| 08:42.33 | jm_ | indeed, ethereal is awesome |
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| 08:45.25 | Zap-W | dpkg: bananas |
| 08:45.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, bananas is B---------A-----------N-----------A---------N----------A-------S-!!!! |
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| 08:50.31 | Azar | jm_ is the concept of traffic I cannot understand |
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| 08:53.51 | Azar | hmm I found a tutorial.. |
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| 08:58.22 | Azar | jm_ the tutorial recommends removal of ipchains, is that wise ? |
| 08:58.37 | jm_ | Azar: yes, iptables is a complete replacement for it |
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| 08:58.44 | jm_ | Azar: /msg dpkg iptables tutorial |
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| 08:59.04 | mo1991 | TBBle - now I am not so sure that someone actually broke in - does the fact that I had ssh doing some type of transfer mean that someone definetly got in or could they just be bombing me with bad passwords or something? |
| 08:59.05 | bibe | Azar : ipchains only works with 2.2 kernels |
| 08:59.30 | jm_ | mo1991: if they were able to mess with shadow file then yes, they broke in |
| 08:59.39 | Azar | jm_ I am reading Debian Firewalls -- The Firewall I have no idea how good is the guy but all I need is easy explanations let's es if I can make it |
| 08:59.40 | mo1991 | jm_ it doesn't appear that they did |
| 08:59.49 | jm_ | mo1991: you sdaid its timestamp has changed |
| 08:59.52 | mo1991 | I forgot I erased a user with the pass user |
| 08:59.53 | Sonny | hello, when I restart my laptop, after the "rebooting" message my PC freezes, can somebody tell me some ideas to solve the problem? |
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| 09:00.04 | Azar | bibe, this machine had a Woody install and I upgraded to Sarge from there I assume I still have ipchains there |
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| 09:00.07 | mo1991 | once I noticed the ssh traffic |
| 09:00.18 | mo1991 | jm_ this timestamp is actually from me |
| 09:00.30 | mo1991 | it is stamped after I recorded and stopeed the ethereal traffic |
| 09:00.32 | jm_ | well if ssh traffic was going on, then it must have been active or they were trying to login |
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| 09:01.07 | Azar | maybe shorewall won't be as cryptic as iptables re |
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| 09:01.27 | mo1991 | jm_ that's what I mean, how can I tell if they were actually in or just bombing my ssh port - the only reason I noticed at all is my computer was running - processer flicking on every few seconds for no reason |
| 09:01.36 | jm_ | mo1991: logs |
| 09:01.37 | mo1991 | then I opened ethereal and noticed the ssh activity |
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| 09:02.23 | mo1991 | jm_ the ssh-invade file I found was actually the log I saved of the activity - I forgot that I had saved it (it was 5:30 in the morning) |
| 09:02.30 | jm_ | mo1991: that is, unless they really broke in and modified them ;) |
| 09:02.32 | mo1991 | what logs should I check |
| 09:02.38 | mo1991 | /var/log |
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| 09:02.45 | jm_ | check all of them |
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| 09:03.05 | Doctor | hmmm ssh bombing thing? |
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| 09:03.29 | pabs3 | mo1991: ssh logs mainly to /var/log/auth.log |
| 09:03.42 | Sonny | hello, when I restart my laptop, after the "rebooting" message my PC freezes, can somebody tell me some ideas to solve the problem? |
| 09:03.48 | Azar | jm_ my auth.log logs are so full of crap and I can't understand much but only I can see bruteforce messages logged |
| 09:03.56 | Doctor | I've had that happen like three times heh, I never learn :) |
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| 09:04.11 | Doctor | well no i moved ssh off of port 22 |
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| 09:04.12 | AlexW | how do i run kde? |
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| 09:04.48 | crypt_ex | Sonny, have you altered anything, updated anything? |
| 09:04.52 | jm_ | mo1991: and if you need ssh for remote access, look at solutions like iptables recent module, or fail2ban, or ... |
| 09:05.00 | AlexW | it just says xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 09:06.00 | Doctor | AlexW: from typing startkde from a console? |
| 09:06.13 | juice` | could anyone help me with ideas, how to install amd 64 debian from 32 bit one ? |
| 09:06.25 | Doctor | juice`: debootstrap? |
| 09:06.26 | mo1991 | jm_ Jan 12 04:58:06 BigD sshd[8983]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for customer-reverse-entry.69.59.185.196 failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 09:06.26 | mo1991 | Jan 12 04:58:07 BigD sshd[8985]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for customer-reverse-entry.69.59.185.196 failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 09:06.26 | mo1991 | Jan 12 04:58:08 BigD sshd[8987]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for customer-reverse-entry.69.59.185.196 failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 09:06.28 | jm_ | juice`: chroot, read the howto |
| 09:06.31 | jm_ | mo1991: don't paste here |
| 09:06.44 | mo1991 | sorry, this is what the logs look like during this time |
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| 09:06.53 | mo1991 | does that mean they didn't get in? |
| 09:07.09 | Doctor | that means a lookup failed nothing about getting in or not |
| 09:07.16 | juice` | jm_: chroot? but you can't, becouse if you are on 32bit kernel, chrooting won't load 64bit bash ;) |
| 09:07.30 | juice` | Doctor: yes, but what about 32-64 compatibility, i can't run any 64bit binaries |
| 09:07.36 | Sonny | crypt_ex: yes, I use debian sarge and I have installed the linux-image-2.6.12-1-smp |
| 09:07.43 | Doctor | I thought bootstrap just throws it down |
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| 09:08.38 | juice` | Doctor: exactly what i thought, but it does A LOT after chrooting, so i can't skip that and just boot to 64bit |
| 09:08.54 | jm_ | juice`: read the howto, it covers this |
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| 09:09.07 | juice` | jm_: it does not |
| 09:09.14 | tralala | I have debian32 on an ide disk and debian64 on a sata disk. It seems that when I boot from the sata disk linux doesn't configure the ide parameters the same way it does when I boot from ide. The dma is missing and the ide access is painfuly slow. Any ideas how can I hint the kernel to do the ide autoconfiguration? |
| 09:09.23 | mo1991 | Doctor - Illegal user operator from ::ffff:69.59.185.196 - what does this mean |
| 09:09.24 | mo1991 | ? |
| 09:09.42 | juice` | jm_: unless you mean something different. debootsrap howto? i read it many times |
| 09:10.05 | jm_ | juice`: The Debian GNU/Linux AMD64 HOW-TO |
| 09:10.16 | petemc | mo1991: its a ssh worm,if you have strong passwords its not too much of a worry |
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| 09:11.04 | deadcat | when i run irssi at the command line with no arg. can i make it join 2 servers and 2 channels in the config file? |
| 09:11.20 | mo1991 | llegal user oracle from ::ffff:69.59.185.196 |
| 09:11.22 | jm_ | deadcat: yes, you have our permission! |
| 09:11.26 | mo1991 | petemc_ |
| 09:11.31 | deadcat | jm_: it is possible? |
| 09:11.32 | juice` | jm_: i read that one too. let me quote it :) "Make sure you are running a 64bit kernel" |
| 09:11.34 | jm_ | juice`: of course |
| 09:11.36 | crypt_ex | Sonny, do you have another kernel installed at all, do you have other options at grub? |
| 09:11.36 | robin_z | sigh .. why my mailx not worky? |
| 09:11.42 | petemc | mo1991: yes, you dont need to keep showing log lines |
| 09:11.50 | jm_ | juice`: yes, and then says to i.e. boot form installer CD |
| 09:11.54 | mo1991 | petem - so this looks like an ssh worm to you? |
| 09:12.00 | jm_ | deadcat: of course |
| 09:12.17 | liable | mo1991: everyone running sshd on 22 gets those in there logs |
| 09:12.19 | deadcat | jm_: the autojoin right? doesnt seem to be working |
| 09:12.26 | juice` | jm_: yes but this is remote host, i can't put CDs |
| 09:12.32 | robin_z | ok, standard debian sarge, exim4 ... nat'd box .. for outgoing mail, is there anything I NEED to do before it can send ...??? |
| 09:12.33 | mo1991 | would that make my computer's processor run slightly during the ssh worm attack? |
| 09:12.39 | mo1991 | liable? above |
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| 09:12.55 | petemc | robin_z: read /usr/shar/doc/exim4-base/ , would be a start |
| 09:12.57 | mo1991 | I guess this is the first time I was sitting there and noticed my computer running |
| 09:12.59 | juice` | jm_: and provider gives me only to boot from HD or ftom their livecd, which has 32bit kernel |
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| 09:13.00 | liable | mo1991: no, i dont think so. |
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| 09:13.06 | jm_ | deadcat: exactly - it's covered by irssi startup howto |
| 09:13.18 | jm_ | juice`: tough luck ;) |
| 09:13.28 | jm_ | juice`: try #debiam-amd64, maybe they know more |
| 09:13.38 | juice` | jm_: nobody responds ;) |
| 09:13.49 | juice` | jm_: but i will try some more later |
| 09:13.54 | jm_ | juice`: yeah good idea |
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| 09:14.20 | Azar | petemc what the + ??? root:nobody means ? |
| 09:14.53 | mo1991 | liable - anyway, I feel better knowing that this appears to be what the ssh activity I logged was - a worm and not a breakin |
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| 09:15.21 | mo1991 | or at least not definetly a breakin - john does not seem to be able to bust my password - my passwords are not simple |
| 09:15.56 | liable | Azar: its root su'ing to nobody prolly for some cron job. |
| 09:16.23 | robin_z | petemc: seems to be concerened with mailboxes and accounts .. surely a MTA should just be able to send to the 'net ? sigh |
| 09:16.24 | Azar | liable, thanks |
| 09:17.06 | Sonny | crypt_ex: yes, I have 2.6.8, 2.6.12-smp and 2.6.15-smp why? |
| 09:17.12 | elephantMan | Well i think i am having a major problem with my partition table. When i 'cfdisk /dev/sda' it says : ""partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder". |
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| 09:17.18 | elephantMan | It there a way i can fix this ? |
| 09:17.47 | elephantMan | Well the full msg is : ""FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
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| 09:20.53 | crypt_ex | Sonny, but this does not have any problems when you first turn it on. Very strange. Does it freeze with a error or what? |
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| 09:22.43 | tralala | I have a programme that I want to start every time a user fires X session and kill it when the session ends. I have figured out the starting part - /etc/Xsession.d, but I can't figure out the killing part. Any ideas? |
| 09:24.35 | Sonny | crypt_ex: No, just the common messages and in the end the "rebooting" message, after that I is suppossed to restart, but freezes with a black screen |
| 09:25.17 | jm_ | kernel has an option that affects the reboot phase, try using it |
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| 09:25.36 | jm_ | alternatively, try a newer kernel |
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| 09:26.10 | deadcat | my irssi is connecting to 2 server, freenode is slower i guess and #debian ends up in win3, can i make sure win2 is for #debian? how? |
| 09:26.32 | jm_ | deadcat: layout should help |
| 09:26.36 | liable | tralala: couldnt you just put it in .xintrc? |
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| 09:26.42 | deadcat | jm_: k |
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| 09:26.59 | jm_ | deadcat: set it up and then just save all and the layout |
| 09:27.16 | jm_ | not quite sure what the right order is |
| 09:27.40 | trollboy | how do I get apt to list all installed packages |
| 09:27.44 | jm_ | deadcat: #irssi is usually helpful |
| 09:27.52 | tralala | liable: I'm using a DM and the users don't have .xinitrc |
| 09:27.53 | crypt_ex | trollboy, dpkg -l |
| 09:27.54 | deadcat | jm_: they sleeping |
| 09:28.07 | crypt_ex | trollboy, dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 09:28.08 | liable | deadcat: thats pretty much all explained in the irssi howto. |
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| 09:28.19 | jm_ | deadcat: but the docs should cover this too IIRC |
| 09:28.25 | deadcat | k |
| 09:28.25 | tralala | liable: but even if I do that the problem will killing will remain I think. |
| 09:29.25 | liable | tralala: no clues in the dm .conf? |
| 09:30.12 | trollboy | what's the rc mean on the package list? |
| 09:30.19 | AlexW | Im trying to start kde using "startkde" in a console and i get xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 09:30.27 | AlexW | console as in on that computer |
| 09:30.55 | AlexW | not shell |
| 09:30.55 | crypt_ex | Alexandar, have you setup X correctly yet? |
| 09:30.55 | tralala | liable: I haven't really tried too hard. I'm just checking first if someone has an idea how to do it before trying to invent the wheel myself. |
| 09:30.55 | jm_ | you can't just run startkde on console and expect it to work |
| 09:30.55 | AlexW | lol |
| 09:30.55 | AlexW | how do i configure it? |
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| 09:31.30 | tralala | AlexW: have you tried startx? |
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| 09:31.52 | AlexW | one sec |
| 09:32.02 | mo1991 | can ethereal capture data on a remote host and display it locally? |
| 09:32.19 | deadcat | jm_: type a mesg with my nick in the middle. dont start with my nick see if highlight works or not. thanks |
| 09:32.19 | jm_ | you can easily capture it on a remote host with tcpdump and look at it locally |
| 09:32.34 | borstel | Hi, I'm here in need of help with my X server again.... |
| 09:32.36 | tralala | mo1991: yes, if you start it on the remote host using your local X display |
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| 09:32.51 | Doctor | lets all kick some deadcat 's around |
| 09:32.52 | AlexW | tralala: thanks |
| 09:32.53 | jm_ | ok deadcat will do |
| 09:32.58 | AlexW | how do i make it auto load a gui on startup |
| 09:32.59 | deadcat | thanks you 2 |
| 09:33.00 | borstel | my log file contains no errors, but the x won't start |
| 09:33.02 | AlexW | or display a welcome screen |
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| 09:33.15 | mo1991 | tralala - what if I cannot start ethereal on the remote host? |
| 09:33.16 | tralala | AlexW: install kdm |
| 09:33.30 | AlexW | will i be able to select gnome or kde? |
| 09:33.37 | AlexW | like fedora :P |
| 09:33.39 | tralala | mo1991: then you can't monitor its traffic |
| 09:34.00 | mo1991 | tralala - is there another packet capture program that can monitor a remote host? I believe there is not sure whhat tho |
| 09:34.04 | tralala | AlexW: yes, maybe not exactly like fedora but you will be able to select |
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| 09:34.27 | AlexW | kk |
| 09:34.34 | AlexW | do u have to login, or will u be able to login using it |
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| 09:34.52 | AlexW | its for a friend, and just wanna make it a bit more like windows |
| 09:34.58 | AlexW | so when he turns it on goes to a gui |
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| 09:35.28 | jm_ | it usually requires you to login, but you can tell it to auto-login |
| 09:35.29 | tralala | AlexW: just try it |
| 09:36.00 | mo1991 | tralala - is nagios able to do this? |
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| 09:36.33 | tralala | mo1991: you can't capture packages of another operating system. Whatever programme you run it will only capture *local* packages. |
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| 09:36.43 | tralala | packets |
| 09:37.10 | borstel | hello, anybody there, who can help me with my X server ? |
| 09:37.15 | crypt_ex | AlexW, when you boot then it just goes to consoles prompt? |
| 09:37.31 | crypt_ex | borstel, your need to just ask your question mate |
| 09:38.33 | borstel | sorry who is this ? |
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| 09:39.53 | crypt_ex | AlexW, once logged into the prompt, use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to configure your x windows, then hopefully once setup correctly you should have gdm load up |
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| 09:40.25 | borstel | I don't know any question to ask, because, in my log is no error to correct, but it stil won't start |
| 09:40.50 | jm_ | what log? |
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| 09:41.23 | borstel | XFree86.0.lo |
| 09:41.30 | borstel | g |
| 09:41.36 | jm_ | paste it on some paste site |
| 09:41.55 | Azar | jm_ the tutorial recommends to set dhcp for eth0 in the interfaces but I am not using dhcp, fixed IP how do I explain this? |
| 09:42.25 | jm_ | Azar: it means the tutorial makes stupid assumptions |
| 09:42.27 | borstel | http://borstelathome.de/myUpload/XFree86.0.log |
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| 09:42.52 | Azar | net eth0 detect dhcp,routefilter,tcpflags |
| 09:42.54 | jm_ | can't access that at work for some reason |
| 09:42.59 | borstel | there are 2 warning but no errors |
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| 09:43.02 | Sander-nl | Can someone help me to get the KDE or X config back so I can adjust my resolution? |
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| 09:43.19 | jm_ | !drxx Sander-nl |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | Sander-nl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:44.12 | borstel | where can I put it, so you can read it ? |
| 09:44.23 | Azar | hmm shorewal interfaces notes also assumes I use dhcp wtf? |
| 09:44.27 | Sander-nl | Can I run that when in KDE from a console? |
| 09:44.36 | jm_ | borstel: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 09:44.46 | jm_ | Sander-nl: you mean konsole? yes |
| 09:44.55 | Sander-nl | yes |
| 09:45.08 | littleball | hello, how to convert wma file to mp3? i installed mplayer, but it seems that mencoder is very complex |
| 09:45.14 | Knight_Lord | When should i start to worry about SMART error counts? I have some hard drives with 500 errors. Should i worry? |
| 09:45.35 | tralala | borstel: wmware? What exactly is this? |
| 09:45.39 | crypt_ex | borstel, lots of vmware errors there |
| 09:46.32 | crypt_ex | littleball, I have a script for you if you want it. |
| 09:46.40 | littleball | ok |
| 09:46.40 | littleball | thanks |
| 09:46.52 | littleball | can you email to me? |
| 09:46.57 | littleball | yang.yuexiang@gmail.com |
| 09:47.46 | crypt_ex | littleball, http://untaken.org/wma-to-mp3.txt |
| 09:47.59 | Azar | jm_ so if I am not using dhcp what should I use instead? |
| 09:48.15 | littleball | thanks |
| 09:48.21 | crypt_ex | littleball, stick it in a directory with your wma's and execute...make sure mplayer and lame are installed |
| 09:49.08 | jm_ | Azar: instead of what? |
| 09:49.39 | borstel | sorry I have to leave, thanks for your help |
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| 09:50.07 | tralala | Azar: hardcoded ip? |
| 09:50.39 | Azar | jm_ net eth0 detect dhcp |
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| 09:50.55 | jm_ | Azar: I don't know, I don't use shorewall |
| 09:50.59 | Azar | ah |
| 09:51.05 | Azar | hmmmm |
| 09:51.19 | Azar | well hell how can I figure this out |
| 09:51.29 | jm_ | read shorewall docs, I'm sure this is covered |
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| 09:52.09 | Azar | jm_ I did man shorewall I did not understand HOWTO, is just giving me cold parameters, options whatever but how to use them I have no idea |
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| 09:52.37 | jm_ | Azar: http://www.shorewall.net/Documentation.html |
| 09:52.41 | Azar | all man gives options but never explains how to |
| 09:52.47 | Azar | thanks |
| 09:53.04 | jm_ | or use shorewall-doc package |
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| 09:53.48 | Azar | okie |
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| 09:58.41 | bkankur | the simplest way to install QT ?? As it has many dependencies.. Any method so that the dependencies are also installed automatically.. i have all the cds of debian v 3.1 r1 |
| 09:59.06 | bkankur | or i need to install the dependancies one by one.. |
| 09:59.23 | oskie | bkankur: apt-get install NameOfPackageToInstall |
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| 10:00.21 | crypt_ex | bkankur, apt-cache search qt , to find out the package names |
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| 10:00.51 | bkankur | thanks crypt_ex and oskie |
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| 10:01.03 | internat | does anyone happen to know when courier .5 might happen to filter down from experimental to testing? |
| 10:01.21 | Azar | jm_ what is a PPTP ? |
| 10:01.30 | dr1v3r | anyon ehere recommend a good easy to use firewall, for the newb, idiot thick people like myself please :D |
| 10:01.44 | hatake_kakashi | firewall script |
| 10:02.00 | dr1v3r | yea, i need to secure my box but no idea where to star :( |
| 10:02.03 | dr1v3r | *start |
| 10:02.06 | liable | dr1v3r: try firestarter or guarddog for starters. |
| 10:02.29 | dr1v3r | how easy are them for someone that know totally nothing about linux |
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| 10:02.36 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 10:02.50 | elephantMan | Well i think i am having a major problem with my partition table. When i 'cfdisk /dev/sda' it says : ""partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder". |
| 10:02.50 | liable | dr1v3r: try one and see. they are about as easy as they come. |
| 10:02.52 | elephantMan | It there a way i can fix this ? |
| 10:02.53 | litage | i've hooked up my digicam to a usb port, but lsusb doesn't list it. why might that be? |
| 10:03.02 | elephantMan | Well the full msg is : ""FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder. Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 10:03.10 | dr1v3r | thanx liable :D |
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| 10:03.13 | crypt_ex | dr1v3r, http://linuxhelp.net/guides/iptables/ is always a good help |
| 10:03.21 | gypsymauro | I've twonetowrk cards I setted them up in /etc/network/interfaces but now I got two 0.0.0.0 default routes .. any hint? |
| 10:03.44 | liable | litage: dmesg output anything? |
| 10:03.45 | crypt_ex | dr1v3r, if you want to set it up yourself and actually learn. |
| 10:03.45 | TBBle | gypsymauro: Don't use 'gateway' with both cards in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:03.54 | bemor | Hi |
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| 10:04.00 | gypsymauro | TBBle: that's the way:) |
| 10:04.10 | bkankur | there are so many packages listed using "apt-cache search qt" but which is the main package |
| 10:04.11 | gypsymauro | tanx |
| 10:04.20 | TBBle | gypsymauro: Alternatively, have two default routes. If they both route to the same Internet, then you're prolly fine. |
| 10:04.30 | bemor | Is it possible to lock a user in his homedir (chroot) for openssh (debian sarge) like in proftpd? |
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| 10:04.45 | zerofill | bemor: Yes. |
| 10:04.49 | gypsymauro | tabris|away: they not..tank you very much |
| 10:04.49 | litage | liable: yeah, dmesg showed this: usb 5-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11 |
| 10:04.49 | crypt_ex | bkankur, apt-cache search qt | grep qt might narrow it down more |
| 10:04.58 | bemor | How can i do that? |
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| 10:05.03 | internat | on that not.. is there a way to lock them to a specific directory? |
| 10:05.07 | internat | actually it doesnt matter |
| 10:05.09 | liable | litage: check out gphoto2 and see if that supports it. |
| 10:05.14 | zerofill | bemor: There are tutorials out there. Personally, I don't bother because it's a bit tedious to set up. |
| 10:05.16 | litage | liable: ah, running lsusb as root found the camera :) |
| 10:05.19 | dr1v3r | liable does this have a config tool? or does everything have to be edited manually? |
| 10:05.35 | bkankur | thank you crypt_ex |
| 10:05.44 | liable | dr1v3r: they're both pointy clicky :) |
| 10:05.54 | dr1v3r | hmmmm Unable to start guarddog firewall - /etc/rc.firewall does not exist |
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| 10:06.04 | dr1v3r | is that even for someone accessing via SSH? |
| 10:06.09 | bemor | zerofill: i found a patch for openssh. Isn´t this functionality included in the debian sarge openssh version? |
| 10:06.09 | TBBle | bkankur: It really depends what you mean by "main package". |
| 10:06.16 | crypt_ex | bkankur, I have libqt3-headers installed, if you install that the rest of the debs should be picked up |
| 10:06.25 | liable | dr1v3r: oh, you are ssh'ing into the box? |
| 10:06.31 | dr1v3r | yea |
| 10:06.38 | dr1v3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.49 | dr1v3r | told u i was an idiot :P |
| 10:06.54 | zerofill | bemor: I have no idea, sorry. I wasn't aware that it could even be built-in. |
| 10:07.24 | liable | dr1v3r: use vnc or something (x11 forwarding) |
| 10:07.38 | TBBle | bemor: You might find you have to actually set them up with a chroot shell, so that when they login, pam and the shell chroot them whether it's ssh, telnet or the console. |
| 10:07.50 | dr1v3r | vnc? thats a remote access tool aint it? |
| 10:07.57 | liable | yes |
| 10:08.20 | dr1v3r | i dont wanna use vnc i need to do everything vua SSH |
| 10:08.44 | liable | dr1v3r: take a look at shorewall or try and learn iptables then. :) |
| 10:08.44 | zerofill | bemor: I believe you need to have certain libraries copied into the directory in which the user is chrooted, too. |
| 10:09.18 | dr1v3r | shorewall is not a firewall accoring to the step by step guiide i was looking at earlier |
| 10:09.41 | liable | dr1v3r: its a front end to iptables, as they all are... |
| 10:09.45 | bemor | idd, but i´ve read that i also have to patch sshd and that i don´t like, because it breaks the easy updating |
| 10:09.48 | dr1v3r | This is why i asked for a good easy to use firewall, for the newb, idiot thick people |
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| 10:12.34 | yang | Is it possible to have two internet gateways on one machine...cable modem and adsl? |
| 10:12.53 | sep | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 10:12.59 | bibe | yang : try with iproute |
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| 10:13.33 | yang | sep: the page doesnt exist |
| 10:13.35 | jm_ | ryan-: try patchutils |
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| 10:13.49 | sep | yang, strange that i am on it now.. |
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| 10:14.18 | yang | sep: ah sorry its .html not .htm |
| 10:14.35 | liable | can anyone get irssi to set flood_max_messages to a value? |
| 10:14.50 | dr1v3r | There has to be a script or something somewhere that has a cinfig in it to create the firewall, please anyone |
| 10:14.58 | ryan__ | aha - recountdiff, cheers jm_ |
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| 10:16.22 | dr1v3r | where is the iptables file location onthe system anyone? |
| 10:16.22 | liable | or flood_timecheck.. |
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| 10:17.26 | azeem | kaner: /W 57 |
| 10:17.29 | azeem | bah, sorry |
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| 10:21.18 | liable | hrm, noone? this setting looks damn handy for the flooding fucktards instead of having to /ignore. |
| 10:22.04 | jm_ | not using irssi here |
| 10:22.40 | dr1v3r | Ok anyone know of a free web based control panel like directadmin please? |
| 10:22.44 | liable | bugger, guess i'll wait till #irssi wants to talk to me :) |
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| 10:23.39 | Azar | jm_ you are right, iptables is easier than shorewall |
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| 10:24.07 | Azar | I rather may make mistakes with shorewall than with iptables |
| 10:24.12 | liable | dr1v3r: ffs, i dont know what crappy howto you were reading, but shorewall *is* a firewall, just google "shorewall" and you will see... |
| 10:25.07 | dr1v3r | http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/ thast what i was reading |
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| 10:25.28 | dr1v3r | Before we move on, let's clear up a couple common misconceptions: Shorewall is not a firewall, and in fact it's not even an application. |
| 10:25.31 | liable | it amazes me, the number of people that cant seem to configure shorewall |
| 10:25.37 | dr1v3r | thats taken fromthe guide it self |
| 10:25.38 | Azar | liable maybe he was reading: http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/firewall/ |
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| 10:26.03 | Azar | liable it looks complicated |
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| 10:26.25 | Azar | I can't say it looks nice, organized files and such |
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| 10:26.32 | dr1v3r | especially for people thT DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT, tc/ip, DHS, DHCP ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT SORT OF STUFF |
| 10:26.53 | jm_ | such people should not get anywhere near anything related to firewalls |
| 10:27.03 | Azar | jm_ amen |
| 10:27.10 | Steven_6040 | what are tc/ip and DHS? |
| 10:27.20 | dr1v3r | oopppss damn caps |
| 10:27.29 | sep | Steven_6040, probably a type for TCP/IP and DNS |
| 10:27.35 | liable | dr1v3r: http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/firewall/ |
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| 10:27.42 | SlayerXP | we should put those people in the same room as the mysql+php hosting idiots, and set fire to them all |
| 10:27.43 | sep | type beeing a typo for typo... |
| 10:27.44 | Azar | I only have a general knowledge about ports, type of connections but nothing clear on firewalls |
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| 10:28.33 | liable | dr1v3r: erm, didnt i say it was a front end to iptables? show me a linux "firewall" that isnt. |
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| 10:29.38 | nailbiter | Given that most users don't know where to start when they want to install a firewall, I'd say it needs to be included as a step in the installation process |
| 10:29.40 | Azar | liable the only thing about that tutorial is that assumes I have a network, and I only have one machine on a static IP .. so it kind of confuses me |
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| 10:30.27 | Azar | bah nailbiter, so many different configurations, you can't enforce a firewall thru Debian install |
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| 10:30.32 | nailbiter | Red Hat and SuSE do this and simplify it to a three-choice menu ('default', 'secure', 'paranoid') during installation |
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| 10:31.16 | Guerin | nailbiter: i'd simplify it to 'none' and 'lockdown' |
| 10:31.20 | Azar | nailbiter: also there is a wide variety of alternate ways to secure a box, they can't impose one firewall for all |
| 10:31.41 | jm_ | Guerin: :) |
| 10:31.50 | nailbiter | Azar: You'd only need to nail the common case--desktop user on dialup/DSL, perhaps with an internal network |
| 10:31.52 | Azar | bah Ill go back to iptables maybe I can make it |
| 10:32.12 | jm_ | or maybe lockout |
| 10:32.15 | nailbiter | Guerin: Even better |
| 10:32.19 | Azar | nailbiter: for now I have only one machine but what if I will create a network in the future? |
| 10:32.21 | epsilon | IIRC none of the installation (netinst, full cd/dvd) provides iptables with basic "deny all incoming" rule? |
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| 10:32.37 | Guerin | epsilon: for debian? hell no. |
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| 10:32.46 | rixth | Whenever I try and play a file in Rhythmbox, it won't play and I get this output in the terminal: http://pastebin.com/520355 |
| 10:32.47 | Azar | maybe netinstall |
| 10:32.54 | rixth | I have libatk and libgail |
| 10:32.55 | liable | wtf does a home desktop even need a fucking firewall? |
| 10:33.03 | azeem | fuck yeah |
| 10:33.06 | rixth | NAT on a router is enough for me. |
| 10:33.06 | Guerin | liable: answer: peace of mind. |
| 10:33.07 | epsilon | it should some kind of default iptables rule... as for desktop (deny all incoming) or server (allow ssh/ftp...) |
| 10:33.14 | nailbiter | Azar: If you have an internal network, its subnet will show up as a non-default route. The Red Hat installer assumes this is it |
| 10:33.28 | Guerin | epsilon: it does come with a default iptables rule: ALLOW |
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| 10:33.33 | azeem | Debian still doesn't have adopted Ubuntu's golden rule AFAIK, though |
| 10:33.42 | nailbiter | Azar: That's also the way the Debian 'ipmasq' package works, and I'd say it makes a correct guess 95% of the time |
| 10:33.51 | rixth | azeem, that being? |
| 10:34.04 | azeem | "No services listening on the network by default" |
| 10:34.16 | epsilon | Guerin: (I know how to handle iptables) So debian provides no firewall security in default installation |
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| 10:34.34 | Guerin | ipmasq is really good, but it shouldn't be default. |
| 10:34.40 | Guerin | epsilon: none. |
| 10:35.11 | Guerin | azeem: yeah, well, since debian doesn't really have a default install ... |
| 10:35.24 | azeem | yeah, but it would make sense for the desktop task |
| 10:35.25 | nailbiter | azeem: I thought that was an interesting choice on their part; they don't even install an SSH server by default |
| 10:35.31 | azeem | as you can assume to have home users there |
| 10:35.33 | liable | the only thing (i think) debian really needs to stop at install is sshd with root login enabled. |
| 10:35.50 | bibe | liable : sure |
| 10:35.53 | Azar | bah for now I stopped shorewall until I might understand iptables |
| 10:35.59 | epsilon | Guerin: well, if I have a basic running debian after finished netinstall, it's kinda "default" |
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| 10:36.16 | epsilon | liable: ACK!!!1111 |
| 10:36.31 | Guerin | why? |
| 10:36.32 | Azar | if I can't get it I will just run like that and if it happens something I can reinstall Debian |
| 10:36.33 | sep | Azar, the point of shorewall is that you dont have to understand iptables.... otherways you woudnt use a iptables frontend :) |
| 10:36.36 | Guerin | root over ssh isn't insecure |
| 10:36.48 | Guerin | if your root pass is that easy to guess you're already going to get owned |
| 10:36.54 | epsilon | Guerin: yeah, but attacker knows at least one valid "user" |
| 10:36.59 | Guerin | epsilon: so? |
| 10:37.03 | sep | Guerin, most ssh scans on the net today try the root account. |
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| 10:37.08 | liable | Guerin: but the majority of people trying it for desktop use wouldnt even realize its on and root login enabled. |
| 10:37.15 | Guerin | sep: I administer enough boxen to realise this. |
| 10:37.16 | azeem | indeed |
| 10:37.18 | pzn | I'm running "gnome-applets/mixer_applet2". It was running ok for all the users. Now I have a nfs mounted "/usr" and it does not work anymore. Users can use "aumix" or other mixer. do you think this is a bug? |
| 10:37.19 | epsilon | if root isn't allowed, the attacker also need to guess the username first |
| 10:37.20 | Azar | sep , too many files to configure, and I do not understand the rules |
| 10:37.21 | liable | s/but/because/ |
| 10:37.27 | tralala | I have debian32 on an ide disk and debian64 on a sata disk. It seems that when I boot from the sata disk linux doesn't configure the ide parameters the same way it does when I boot from ide. The dma is missing and the ide access is painfuly slow. Any ideas how can I hint the kernel to do the ide autoconfiguration? |
| 10:37.44 | Guerin | given that root-over-ssh has saved many an admin's arse, I still say it's a sane choice. |
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| 10:37.55 | nailbiter | rixth: Try installing the 'gstreamer0.8-plugins' package |
| 10:38.09 | sep | Azar, use the examples on shorewall.net |
| 10:38.11 | Azar | Guerin how about me? do I need root-over-ssh? |
| 10:38.24 | liable | Guerin: an admin can enable it, the very first time they log in.. |
| 10:38.28 | nailbiter | rixth: Otherwise, you may be missing decoders for MP3 audio or WAV streams |
| 10:38.30 | Guerin | epsilon: your root pass should be strong enough that it can't be guessed anyway. |
| 10:38.31 | Azar | thank you sep.. |
| 10:38.40 | Guerin | liable: IF they can log in. |
| 10:38.42 | epsilon | Guerin: then these admins should allow root-ssh in their own sshd - usual ppl won't never need root-ssh |
| 10:39.03 | Guerin | Azar: i don't know. |
| 10:39.16 | sep | Azar, http://shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm a nice place to start |
| 10:39.19 | liable | Guerin: in what circumstance would root be able to log in but not a user? |
| 10:39.21 | Azar | Guerin, I never connect to my machine from outside, I guess not |
| 10:39.41 | liable | Guerin: straight after an install. |
| 10:39.49 | Azar | ok sep I will give it another try, thanks |
| 10:39.49 | Guerin | liable: when sysvinit fails to finish, is a common one |
| 10:40.09 | Guerin | liable: which can happen for any number of reasons, particularly on unknown hardware. |
| 10:40.14 | liable | Guerin: then i guess they tell the hosting company about it. |
| 10:40.16 | nailbiter | epsilon: OS X and Ubuntu take a slightly different approach and lock the root account |
| 10:40.32 | sep | nailbiter, yes it's the most annoying thing ever ! |
| 10:40.33 | Guerin | liable: you're presuming a use-case again |
| 10:40.41 | Guerin | liable: the point is NOT to presume a use-case |
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| 10:40.56 | azeem | Guerin: we can assume a use case for desktop-task installs, IMHO |
| 10:41.07 | Guerin | azeem: i think that's probably fair, sure. |
| 10:41.10 | azeem | admins can still override it of course |
| 10:41.16 | liable | Guerin: i am presuming that someone has installed debian for you, so they can damn well fix the problem after the first boot. |
| 10:41.20 | Guerin | azeem: but that's not the default install, which is what I'm arguing for. |
| 10:41.22 | nailbiter | sep: Yah, it takes ages to get used to that. :-/ OS X makes things even more complicated by not even using /etc/passwd |
| 10:41.29 | Guerin | liable: that's not a wise presumption. |
| 10:41.31 | azeem | Guerin: yeah, but then we drift off to semantics |
| 10:41.38 | liable | exactly |
| 10:41.42 | azeem | "default installs" isn't so greatly defined, granted |
| 10:41.54 | epsilon | or the debian installation just asks during the installation to allow root-ssh or not, with "No" as default |
| 10:42.04 | azeem | but this doesn't mean we should just leave people who got the CD from somewhere and installed the desktop taks in the cold |
| 10:42.10 | Guerin | "what you get from mashing enter whenever you get a prompt" |
| 10:42.18 | spo0nman | I want to find the guy who wrote megarc and kill him. |
| 10:42.22 | Azar | sep I have bad experience from the past using scripts for various needs, I would rather either learn to configure/use or not |
| 10:42.31 | Guerin | that's the definition of default install - username and pass input, etc, excepted |
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| 10:43.00 | spo0nman | has anyone used MEGARC MegaRAID Configuration Utility? is there a way to run it without giving it a tty? |
| 10:43.05 | spo0nman | like from cron? |
| 10:43.26 | nailbiter | spo0nman: If you need to emulate a tty, there's always 'expect' |
| 10:43.41 | spo0nman | nailbiter: what to expect? |
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| 10:43.55 | nailbiter | spo0nman: 'expect' is a scripting language |
| 10:43.57 | Azar | bah I am using both, ipv4 and ipv6 heck if I understand to include both |
| 10:43.58 | spo0nman | nailbiter: i dont want to expect anything ... I just want the freaking output |
| 10:44.06 | spo0nman | nailbiter: i knwo what expect is. |
| 10:44.18 | MacSlow | Greetings everybody! |
| 10:44.27 | TBBle | Erk. With packages.debian.org down, is there any way to check the version of a package in the archive (for a non-developer)? |
| 10:44.38 | jm_ | apt-cache show foo |
| 10:44.51 | liable | TBBle: or our friendly bot :) |
| 10:45.22 | nailbiter | spo0nman: I'm pretty sure you can have expect simply dump tty output to a file, but it's been too long since I've messed with Tcl |
| 10:46.02 | TBBle | apt-cache show foo only shows the current architecture... |
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| 10:46.23 | Guerin | TBBle: packages.qa.debian.org up? |
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| 10:46.27 | nailbiter | spo0nman: Ah, ok. You can try /usr/bin/script. That captures tty output, too |
| 10:46.34 | spo0nman | Ok here is the problem: MEGARC MegaRAID Configuration Utility has been written by 3 worms with 7 pixel of brainsize. It expects to write to a tty and crashes if there is not on ... I want the output when it exits in a file. |
| 10:46.35 | ejofee | what is the difference between vim-gnome and vim-gtk? |
| 10:46.47 | Guerin | ejofee: one is gnome and one is gtk |
| 10:47.07 | nailbiter | ejofee: The GNOME version is supposed to have support for gnome-vfs, meaning that it can open SFTP URLs and suchlike |
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| 10:47.12 | spo0nman | nailbiter: Can i give my /tmp/writehere to script? |
| 10:47.15 | Guerin | prediction: one is horribly borken, the other only a little bit broken |
| 10:47.18 | TBBle | Guerin: Yup, and links back to packages.debian.org for the binary packages. |
| 10:47.26 | Guerin | TBBle: oh :( |
| 10:47.36 | nailbiter | spo0nman: Yes--you can log to any file and redirect fake-tty output from any command |
| 10:47.56 | ejofee | nailbiter: i see thanks |
| 10:47.57 | TBBle | Yeah, I know. PPC is a pain, I can't tell if the PPC autobuilder is being slow to be signed, or I'm just on an painfully backwater branch of the mirror network. |
| 10:48.03 | ejofee | Guerin: yes, but they looks the same |
| 10:48.03 | jm_ | spo0nman: man script |
| 10:48.07 | ejofee | Guerin: yes, but they look the same |
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| 10:48.23 | TBBle | Any suggestions on _how_ to use the bot? help gave me bot admin commands, not the !commands. |
| 10:48.27 | jm_ | ahh he already mentions script, sorry |
| 10:48.31 | spo0nman | nailbiter: how will script end when the program ends? |
| 10:48.38 | spo0nman | nailbiter: it just will? |
| 10:48.38 | jm_ | TBBle: /msg dpkg info pkgname dist |
| 10:48.45 | ejofee | which one would you recommend me to learn first, vim or emacs? |
| 10:48.52 | TBBle | jm_: Thanks. |
| 10:48.55 | nailbiter | spo0nman: The logfile will be closed, and you can open the log in your editor or whatever |
| 10:49.13 | TBBle | Uh... How do I tell it what arch to look at? |
| 10:49.27 | liable | dunno if it can do arch? |
| 10:49.27 | jm_ | by its name : stable testing unstable sarge etch ... |
| 10:49.32 | Guerin | i think he only knows x86 |
| 10:49.40 | jm_ | ohh arch, sorry - you cna't ;) |
| 10:49.43 | Guerin | !info hello sid ppc |
| 10:49.56 | Guerin | :( |
| 10:50.10 | jm_ | yeah last time I used blootbot, it downloaded x86 files |
| 10:50.12 | fishdish | hi guys |
| 10:50.14 | fishdish | i´m trying to get TYAN VX 50 (8 processor Opteron server) to show 8 CPU's in Ubuntu Breezy. But it shows only 4. Yes, i have 2.6.12 kernel with smp support. The problem is that i have the 4 extra processors connected to the HyperTransport bus via a PCI-E |
| 10:50.24 | fishdish | How to configure the kernel so that it recognizes the CPU's behind the PCI-E? |
| 10:50.32 | SlayerXP | fishdish: two possible solutions |
| 10:50.34 | fishdish | Is there a special package for this? |
| 10:50.41 | SlayerXP | fishdish: 1) send the server to me |
| 10:50.44 | Guerin | fishdish: 1) #ubuntu 2) wtf are you running a desktop OS on a machine like that?? |
| 10:50.47 | fishdish | okay - listening |
| 10:50.49 | SlayerXP | fishdish: 2) ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:50.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:50.50 | Azar | what this sentence means? INIT script to start|stop|restart the service (and save rulesets). |
| 10:51.15 | Guerin | Azar: it's in plain english |
| 10:51.16 | jm_ | Azar: a script in /etc/init.d symlikned from /etc/rc?.d |
| 10:51.20 | fishdish | Well, I would have had to compile my Debian by hand; Ubuntu IS fairly stable even as a server OS |
| 10:51.23 | jm_ | Azar: read README.runlevels.* |
| 10:51.29 | hatake_kakashi | init = initiate |
| 10:51.36 | Dulan | Gah. Why does the default AMD64 netinst testing snapshot install with Gnome by default, and not Kde? Ewwww! |
| 10:51.36 | SlayerXP | fishdish: newsflash: debian has had a 64 bit port for about 2 years |
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| 10:51.47 | fishdish | Compiling my Debian with hand takes 2 weeks; i have a deadline |
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| 10:51.55 | fishdish | I know |
| 10:51.57 | ronin | compile? |
| 10:52.01 | fishdish | but the thingie is that it doesn |
| 10:52.08 | SlayerXP | fishdish: I don't get the "by hand" bit then |
| 10:52.15 | fishdish | t recognize the CPU's if they are behind a PCI Express |
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| 10:52.26 | miki | im trying to install KDE, after doing "apt-get install KDE" im getting: reading list: ready |
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| 10:52.28 | TBBle | Oh well. I found a nicely up to date mirror, so if it's not in pool, and not in incoming, it's idling on a buildd somewhere. -_- Thanks anyway. |
| 10:52.37 | SlayerXP | fishdish: that's a kernel issue, nothing _at all_ to do with any particular distro |
| 10:52.38 | liable | compiling debian would take take two weeks and a 8 proc machine!? |
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| 10:52.42 | fishdish | i know |
| 10:52.47 | Azar | Guerin I do not understand what I have to do: I have to issue INIT start iptables? |
| 10:52.53 | miki | building tree: ready, cant install packets maybe ur requesting bad situatiion or ur using unstable distribution |
| 10:52.55 | fishdish | i'm running a kernel 2.6.12 with smp patch |
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| 10:53.08 | SlayerXP | fishdish: smp patch for what? |
| 10:53.18 | miki | because u requested only one option, there is posibility that u simply cant install packet |
| 10:53.20 | fishdish | symmetric multiprocessing aka hypertransport |
| 10:53.24 | liable | Azar: are you still with shorewall or trying iptables now? |
| 10:53.34 | SlayerXP | fishdish: eh? |
| 10:53.38 | miki | and then im getting list of needed packets, like: KDE: |
| 10:53.42 | Azar | liable I am on iptables, shorewall is too intricated |
| 10:53.48 | SlayerXP | fishdish: hypertransports is not SMP, SMP is not hypertransport |
| 10:53.54 | fishdish | Should i just go on, read the docs, and compile my own kernel? |
| 10:53.59 | miki | requires: kde-core kde amusments kdeaddons, etc |
| 10:54.08 | miki | E: packets are bad |
| 10:54.16 | liable | Azar: then you need to put your rules in a script and use update-rc.d on it. |
| 10:54.20 | Azar | ok I got it, at first sight looked like strange |
| 10:54.31 | nailbiter | fishdish: I believe you may need to build a kernel with NUMA support. This is really exotic stuff; perhaps you could drop into #kernel instead |
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| 10:54.39 | fishdish | okay |
| 10:54.44 | Azar | liable, ah ok, I need to learn how to make the rules, reading the tutorial |
| 10:55.05 | miki | when im trying to install needed packets one by one, it goes to smth like: pearl-base(5.8.4-3) |
| 10:55.17 | miki | then im getting message that it already installed |
| 10:55.17 | liable | Azar: make the rules first, run the script by hand, then once you are happy, then get it to run at boot. |
| 10:55.17 | SlayerXP | it's hardly exotic. it's "compile a kernel appropriate to your hardware" and also "be unsurprised that a desktop distro doesn't handle high end hardware properly" |
| 10:55.33 | Eno_ | What driver do I need to get WRCB-1011r wireless card working? Where should I look? I looked at the list for linux-wlan.org but only WRCB-1011i is listed... |
| 10:55.37 | fishdish | see, i ahve a little to do with kernel compliling even though i've adjusted linux for years. I've done mostly PC stuff and well... this is my 1st big mama fora computer |
| 10:55.43 | nailbiter | fishdish: With NUMA enabled, your first 4 processors should show up as a NUMA node, and the next 4 should appear a little further into bootup if all goes well |
| 10:55.54 | Azar | liable? script? what script? |
| 10:55.56 | fishdish | hmm, ok |
| 10:56.12 | Azar | I have no idea how to make a script |
| 10:56.17 | fishdish | i guess i got the point. |
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| 10:56.30 | Garp | Hi. |
| 10:56.31 | jm_ | fishdish: kernel also has config option for max. number of CPU-s |
| 10:56.44 | liable | Azar: keep reading, it should mention something about it at the end. |
| 10:56.49 | fishdish | now i'll go to #kernel and find out where to get the NUMA support |
| 10:57.01 | SlayerXP | fishdish: it's already in the kernel |
| 10:57.17 | Azar | liable: ah ok... well I started trying to learn iptables in August 2005 I guess now will be easier |
| 10:57.20 | SlayerXP | well, in the source anyway |
| 10:57.21 | fishdish | okay, so i just need to edit the source? or i need to flag sth? |
| 10:57.35 | SlayerXP | fishdish: you need to compile a kernel suitable for your hardware |
| 10:57.58 | fishdish | hm, okay. No wonder TYAN is offering this machine with their Linux pre-built. |
| 10:58.12 | SlayerXP | compiling a kernel is hardly difficult |
| 10:58.21 | liable | kernel compile isnt a big deal. |
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| 10:58.34 | fishdish | i know, but amjust thinking of what to flag to enable the NUMA support |
| 10:59.10 | SlayerXP | martin@antibody-kunnskapsparken:~$ grep NUMA /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 10:59.10 | SlayerXP | # CONFIG_X86_NUMAQ is not set |
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| 10:59.38 | bkankur | In debian 3.1r1 while installing qt3-designer... there is dependancy errors.. of libqt3-mt-dev & libgtkhtml1.1-3 .. than installing libqt3-mt-dev i came accross some more.. so any easy way to install qt |
| 10:59.46 | jpinto | Hello, i'm trying to make a debian package. Is it possible to, when overwriting a file, create a backup of the original one (on install)? |
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| 11:00.08 | Garp | Note: Yesterday, I came to get suggestions about what to do for ssh brute forces attacks from remote (leaving tons of "Failed password for invalid user..." ). Suggestion given was sshdfilter. But: sshdfilter is not in debian (why?), and I found it to be pretty intrusive (replace sshd by its own script). In place I wrote a very simple python code that is called one per minut by cron to look at /var/log/auth.log and ban ips that does more than a few fa |
| 11:00.19 | jm_ | don't edit the config file and enable NUMA - it won't work, it relies on several other config options |
| 11:00.29 | fishdish | ok |
| 11:00.40 | liable | jpinto: cp foo.conf ~foo.conf?? |
| 11:01.01 | zignig | Garp: make sure it excludes loopback and localip's , i've see that backfire badly before. |
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| 11:01.15 | jm_ | and I would try it without NUMA first |
| 11:01.16 | fishdish | so i need to do magic with the source? |
| 11:01.20 | Garp | zignig: thanks I fix that right now :) |
| 11:01.29 | liable | jpinto: subscribe to debian-mentors mailing list. |
| 11:01.37 | zignig | Garp: hehe. |
| 11:01.41 | jpinto | liable, yeah, but what about automatic... is there any utility that does the automatic renaming like [1,2,3...]? something on dh_*? |
| 11:01.51 | liable | ^^ |
| 11:01.56 | Garp | zignig:; yes that could be quite effective as some kind of DOS attack ! |
| 11:02.22 | nailbiter | fishdish: Seriously, I think you might get better help in #kernel |
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| 11:02.34 | bibe | bkankur : how are you trying to install qt3-designer? Not with 'apt-get install qt3-designer', I guess |
| 11:02.35 | liable | jpinto: i think there is even a mentors channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:02.37 | Guerin | Garp: fail2ban |
| 11:02.37 | nailbiter | fishdish: And congratulations on getting such hot hardware to play with ;-) |
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| 11:02.54 | jpinto | liable, ok, thanks. |
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| 11:03.01 | tartuffe | do you know what's the comand for register a username on irc please ? |
| 11:03.16 | Garp | Guerin: OK ok, I reinvented the wheel ;) |
| 11:03.40 | Steven_6040 | tartuffe, /msg nickserv help |
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| 11:03.51 | tartuffe | thank |
| 11:03.52 | zignig | Garp: does it need internet wide ssh access anyway ? |
| 11:04.00 | weissi | !tell tartuffe about register |
| 11:04.07 | GrivIN | Hi all! |
| 11:04.08 | fishdish | I know, i'm partenring with an import company. We are trying to sell this for high end graphics and 3D editing, virtual application services (ISPs, etc), and for data processing in eg. universities or minerals companies. |
| 11:04.34 | Garp | zignig: I could do otherwise, maybe. |
| 11:05.07 | fishdish | practically, Solaris works with this, but setting up a linux for this would probably make the box more popular cos most users of computers of this size prefer Linux |
| 11:05.12 | zignig | Garp: you solution sound like a good one , but as I said watch for the gotchas with automatic firwalling. |
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| 11:05.33 | jm_ | there's also iptables recent module that can be used |
| 11:05.59 | zignig | jm_: that would work too, but how would you hook it up to auth ? |
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| 11:06.21 | Garp | zignig: yep, but as guerin gives me a very good info about this "fail2ban" package: it liklely does what I want far better than I could write it! |
| 11:06.53 | jm_ | zignig: you can't do that easily - you simply ban them if they try too much |
| 11:07.17 | fishdish | It'sjust that we have a demo and there's a deadline |
| 11:07.18 | Garp | zignig: I'll install it right now and see if I can configure it to use shorewall instead of pure iptable calls. As I'm using shorewall, I would prefer. |
| 11:07.35 | Guerin | um |
| 11:07.36 | zignig | jm_: yeah that'd work: too keen , go away you sill english Knight |
| 11:07.39 | fishdish | and our company wants to everything possible with debian / alternatives |
| 11:07.40 | Guerin | shorewall IS iptables |
| 11:07.49 | pzn | when I changed "/usr" from "hda1" to "hdb2" gnome audio mixer (both applet and app) stopped working. do you have a hint? |
| 11:08.00 | miki | anyone can help me installing KDE: apt-get install KDE gives me shitload of crappy errors |
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| 11:08.34 | liable | miki: apt-get install kde-base |
| 11:08.35 | Garp | Guerin: yes, but recent versions includes some dynamic ip blocking mechanism through shorewall commands, with a simple command to get the list of current blocked ips, etc. |
| 11:08.49 | liable | miki: welcome to etch/sid. |
| 11:08.50 | miki | liable: then it says other crap, and its listing packages |
| 11:09.05 | Nirgal | pzn: I didn't change anything about /usr and it stoped working here too :] |
| 11:09.11 | Guerin | miki: kdebase or kde-core |
| 11:09.12 | miki | i tried to install them all one by one, but i was getting mroe errors, finally i went to perl |
| 11:09.27 | miki | i did apt-get install perl-base |
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| 11:09.46 | Garp | Guerin: /sbin/shorewall drop /allow/show ip |
| 11:09.48 | bkankur | bibe: i am getting the following error when i do "apt-get install qt3-designer " http://pastebin.com/520396 |
| 11:09.49 | miki | and i had error: perl-base:5.8.4-8sarge3 is going to be installed |
| 11:09.53 | miki | then i had |
| 11:09.57 | miki | perl is alreayd isntalled |
| 11:10.00 | Garp | Guerin: just find it more conveniant. |
| 11:10.07 | miki | with basic sarge installation |
| 11:10.10 | miki | and the it stopped |
| 11:11.47 | liable | miki: psate your sources list and apt errors to a paster. |
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| 11:12.18 | miki | liable: apt errors are in my own language and im using basic source list (debian.org US and non-US) |
| 11:12.52 | miki | liable: wait, let me restar and i will tell u more about those errors |
| 11:12.53 | miki | brb |
| 11:12.56 | bkankur | : i am getting the following error when i do "apt-get install qt3-designer " http://pastebin.com/520396 |
| 11:12.57 | miki | restart* |
| 11:12.59 | liable | miki: you have your own language? |
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| 11:13.14 | miki | liable: i installed polish versin |
| 11:13.16 | miki | version |
| 11:13.30 | rixth | Whenever I try and play a file in Rhythmbox, it won't play and I get this output in the terminal: http://pastebin.com/520355 I have also installted the gstreamer-plugins package, and run gst-register |
| 11:13.32 | liable | miki: yeah, was joking.. :) |
| 11:13.39 | spo0nman | nailbiter: jm_: Clever hack ... it worked. |
| 11:13.45 | Garp | # Option: fwban |
| 11:13.47 | Garp | # Notes.: command executed when banning an IP. |
| 11:14.04 | Garp | (I could do it through a custom command). I'll let the default for now. |
| 11:14.32 | nailbiter | spo0nman: I once wrapped /bin/login with this utility to spy on a user. ;-) |
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| 11:14.59 | miki | liable: i got something similar to bkankur list, but instead of unmet dependencies, it says bad packages, etc |
| 11:15.17 | miki | brb |
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| 11:15.34 | liable | miki: paste your sources list anyway. for shits and giggles |
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| 11:15.42 | oskie | you got the IP address of an infected user, active right now (sending emails with virus). what do you do? you're not his ISP. |
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| 11:15.57 | Azar | liable iptables looks easier on me while I can create rules and I can see exactly what, where, how... shorewall is too cryptic |
| 11:16.12 | miki | liable: i dont have any mirc client on linux :( |
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| 11:16.25 | hatake_kakashi | oskie: tell his ISP with the logs, tell the mail admin and show logs, etc |
| 11:16.30 | liable | Azar: whatever works for you.. |
| 11:16.35 | Azar | isn't mirc for windows only? |
| 11:16.37 | hatake_kakashi | miki: yuck, mirc on linux |
| 11:16.46 | GrivIN | J have: '/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_object_compat_control' wtf? |
| 11:16.51 | hatake_kakashi | Azar: you can run mirc via wine/cedega |
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| 11:16.54 | nailbiter | Azar: It will run under Wine (albeit a little slowly) |
| 11:17.00 | miki | Azar: no idea, u cn always emlate simple programs tho ;p |
| 11:17.03 | Azar | oh so |
| 11:17.10 | oskie | hatake_kakashi: i was thinking more in the lines of: run nmap, see if there's any exploitable service, try to shut down his machine :P |
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| 11:17.21 | Azar | I use irssi is easier |
| 11:17.53 | liable | miki: well, without being able to see any errors or the sources, its kinda hard to help. |
| 11:17.53 | Garp | oskie: just let it be... doing anything will put *you* in trouble. |
| 11:17.54 | nailbiter | Azar: Wine has come a long way in the past couple of years. It actually runs IE6 almost flawlessly on Debian sid |
| 11:18.02 | hatake_kakashi | oskie: if you do that, you may annoy the originator and you may get fined/etc. Its safer to go through the authorities.. unless if they are absolutely useless, I'd go that method |
| 11:18.04 | weissi | miki: xchat(X11), irssi(X11+console) or bitchx(console) are better that mirc on windows I think |
| 11:18.04 | miki | liable: how can i save list into file ? |
| 11:18.10 | liable | nailbiter: you sick bastard! :P |
| 11:18.13 | Garp | oskie: (I know that's stupid, but that's how it is) |
| 11:18.19 | Azar | nailbiter with what I have in Debian I do not need any window emulation |
| 11:18.24 | hatake_kakashi | Azar: I use irssi as well |
| 11:18.24 | miki | weissi: i know, im just trying to install KDE first, afaik it comes with icr client |
| 11:18.28 | liable | miki: it is a file. |
| 11:18.47 | miki | liable: could u give me command? i will copy on fdd |
| 11:18.51 | miki | and then paste under win |
| 11:18.54 | nailbiter | liable: Sometimes, there are some sick websites that require it ;-) |
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| 11:19.24 | zignig | nailbiter: and you can have all the wiggyness that comes with it. |
| 11:19.25 | weissi | miki: ok, sorry, it comes with kirc |
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| 11:19.44 | Azar | I can say I have one month now, I am windows-free, the windows box is sitting unused |
| 11:19.53 | zignig | nailbiter: I say that if it does not work on firefox it's not worth looking at :P |
| 11:20.09 | zignig | Azar: hazar! |
| 11:20.30 | myren | my debian install, when i putty or ssh into it, will resize the terminal when i resize putty or my ssh window. however, the debian install on my co-loco doesnt; its fixed at once size even wwith the same putty or ssh settings. any ideas where the problem might be? |
| 11:20.47 | liable | miki: ok, i aint to good with floppy technology, but dd if=/etc/apt/sources.list of=/dev/fd0 |
| 11:21.24 | jm_ | liable: ehh no ;) |
| 11:21.35 | liable | jm_: correct me :) |
| 11:21.54 | Steven_6040 | liable, i wouldnt do it that way.. just mount the floppy device, make a filesystem on it and copy the file lol |
| 11:21.55 | jm_ | liable: it's a block device, you mount it and copy files to it, or if it has FAT fs on it, use mtools |
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| 11:22.01 | miki | liable: i can copy sources.list to fdd via cp command |
| 11:22.12 | Dewi | myren: likely to be differences in the configuration files in your home directory |
| 11:22.17 | liable | miki: do that then. |
| 11:22.19 | miki | im asking how to get smth like screenshot of those APT-GET errors |
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| 11:22.23 | Dewi | myren: things like .bashrc, .profile, .login, .bash_profile |
| 11:22.27 | jm_ | miki: script |
| 11:22.32 | nailbiter | zignig: I wish I could say that. But ironically, it's because IE6 renders CSS in such a broken way that I _have_ to have to installed, just so I can preview webpages I write |
| 11:22.34 | Dewi | myren: sounds like your terminal or termcap is misconfigured |
| 11:23.03 | miki | jm_: wich script ? im not scriptmaker, i preffer typing crap manually instead =\ |
| 11:23.08 | jm_ | miki: man script |
| 11:23.13 | zignig | nailbiter: you can write css that works on all platforms , it's just a PITA. |
| 11:23.25 | miki | labile: i dont need to copt sources.list anyway, i will tell u now |
| 11:23.36 | zignig | nailbiter: but I understand where you are coming from. |
| 11:23.42 | liable | cant you pipe stdout to a file or some shit? |
| 11:24.03 | Dewi | does the "/home" partition have a structure in it for /home or is that just the root node? |
| 11:24.14 | miki | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 11:24.14 | miki | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 11:24.17 | miki | those two |
| 11:24.26 | epsilon | is anyone using sarge and xchat? |
| 11:24.27 | miki | i was already downloading other progs, so it works |
| 11:24.27 | Dewi | I'm thinking of doing another install but without destroying everything in /home |
| 11:24.28 | Garp | miki: does non-us still exists ? |
| 11:24.29 | muerd | hy |
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| 11:24.38 | miki | Garp: no idea, i just added it |
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| 11:24.42 | liable | miki: how old is your installer? |
| 11:24.52 | muerd | what is the diference betwen scons and make? |
| 11:24.54 | miki | # deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 11:25.00 | miki | liable wich installer? |
| 11:25.09 | zignig | Dewi: it doesn't need it but it's usually /home/<username> , they are defined in /etc/passwd , so logins may be difficult without the user filders. |
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| 11:25.14 | jm_ | muerd: many, read scons docs |
| 11:25.19 | liable | miki: that you installed debian with. |
| 11:25.30 | Dewi | zignig: that's okay, I'm happy to rebuild my users |
| 11:25.40 | miki | i downloaded debian netinstall.iso(110mb) like 5 days ago |
| 11:25.43 | epsilon | In xchat I see strange square character instead % O (CTRIL-O) or % B (CTRL-B), any idea why? Changing charset or encoding didn't help |
| 11:25.45 | Dewi | zignig: I guess I'll move it all to "/home/backup" or something in between |
| 11:25.56 | NET||abuse | is there a package for synergy2 in debian? |
| 11:26.01 | Dewi | zignig: so I can cleanly create the new users and migrate things later |
| 11:26.06 | NET||abuse | i'm only getting my head around the package manager in deb |
| 11:26.17 | miki | i had usb modem and alot of problems with making it work, but finally i made it, now im trying to get stuff via apt |
| 11:26.26 | Dewi | but will the debian installer allow me to specify a partition for "/home" without formatting it? |
| 11:26.45 | hatake_kakashi | the mount I believe |
| 11:26.56 | jm_ | Dewi: yes |
| 11:27.11 | zignig | Dewi: just use a local folder on the / drive on install and mount your new /home drive onto the folder. |
| 11:27.40 | liable | miki: did you put that non-us line in there? |
| 11:27.43 | Dewi | zignig: I guess that'd work too. but of a discontinuity though. But I'll try that if the other fails |
| 11:27.45 | zignig | NET||abuse: use aptitude. |
| 11:27.48 | Dewi | s/but/bit/ |
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| 11:27.54 | zignig | Dewi: coolies. |
| 11:28.27 | NET||abuse | zignig: thanks, will give it a go. |
| 11:28.32 | zignig | Dewi: always remeber: you can _NEVER_ have to many backups.... |
| 11:28.46 | NET||abuse | what about synaptic |
| 11:28.46 | NET||abuse | >? |
| 11:28.49 | Azar | reading this tutorial, and generally speaking nobody noticed that people do not like some changes were made in Sarge? for example the old style init scripts that have been replaced with /etc/network/if-up.d and such... |
| 11:29.04 | zignig | NET||abuse: synaptic is good too , if you're a GUI kind of person. |
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| 11:29.21 | Dewi | zignig: sigh. yes. |
| 11:29.26 | miki | liable: yes i did |
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| 11:29.31 | Azar | ... I ment changes made since Sarge came up |
| 11:29.32 | NET||abuse | ahh, yeh, didn't see it in applications drop down, got it on cmd line |
| 11:29.54 | miki | liable: i was using manual: "http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.txt", and i got those line from there |
| 11:30.12 | miki | liable: first thing i downloaded via apt was secutiry update tho |
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| 11:31.05 | NET||abuse | I get an error, Apt errors W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 11:31.12 | miki | liable: i had also good mirror list of sites with packages, but i thought that some might be not compatilbe or smth, so im using standart version of sources.list |
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| 11:31.45 | NET||abuse | stupid me, had synaptic open |
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| 11:32.48 | liable | miki: dpkg -l libc6 whats the version? |
| 11:33.01 | miki | liable: no idea, must restart |
| 11:33.01 | zignig | hmmmm , looks like .ca has taken a turn to the right. |
| 11:33.06 | bkankur | i am getting error while using h "apt-get install qt3-designer " ttp://pastebin.com/520396 |
| 11:33.07 | liable | miki: why? |
| 11:33.14 | miki | its same pc |
| 11:33.16 | miki | this one |
| 11:33.18 | miki | im on windows now |
| 11:33.19 | liable | oh |
| 11:33.33 | miki | i know my kernel rev only, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 11:33.47 | miki | maybe i should get 2.6 =] |
| 11:33.48 | jm_ | or you could install explore2fs and look - fsdext2 is better, but it requires a reboot |
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| 11:34.08 | bibe | miki : look in /linux_partition/var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:34.12 | liable | miki: no, that wont help |
| 11:34.13 | miki | liable: how can i sav apt error list to file ? |
| 11:34.28 | liable | miki: apt-get install foo > file.txt |
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| 11:34.38 | jm_ | > foo 2>&1 to be sure |
| 11:34.52 | NET||abuse | i'm finding aptitude a little confusing here |
| 11:34.56 | NET||abuse | how do i select a package?? |
| 11:35.15 | jm_ | install aptitude-doc-foo and read |
| 11:35.23 | miki | liable: where that file is going to be saved ? |
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| 11:35.38 | liable | miki: in /root |
| 11:35.42 | daehepod | is there some reason a debian dvd would only write at 1x ? |
| 11:35.42 | miki | fine, brb |
| 11:36.09 | liable | daehepod: your dvd drive sucks? :) |
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| 11:36.14 | NET||abuse | daehepod: dvd type not recognised, you software maybe select 1x by default for safety? |
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| 11:39.04 | mateusz | Hi, How to use bluetooth ? |
| 11:39.11 | mateusz | I cant install bluez-utils :( |
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| 11:39.39 | NET||abuse | i havn't found an os where the bluetooth aplication wasn't horibly confusing |
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| 11:40.04 | mateusz | Why debian's bluez-utils wants to remove so many diffrent apps ? |
| 11:40.11 | mateusz | NET||abuse: ? |
| 11:40.15 | jm_ | it didn't remove anything on my system |
| 11:40.25 | mateusz | jm_: dbus ? |
| 11:40.32 | NET||abuse | mateusz; just giving out about blue tooth, annoys me how awkward teh whole system is |
| 11:41.13 | jm_ | mateusz: to be honest, I am not sure if I have that installed, but it depends on dbus-1 |
| 11:41.22 | jm_ | so I guess I have it installed now :P |
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| 11:42.12 | mateusz | jm_: I have dbus 0.60-5 |
| 11:42.33 | jm_ | mateusz: I am using Sarge, you're not - that may be what's different |
| 11:43.45 | Azar | man I fucked so bad with shorewall, now I am not able to access from google some websites |
| 11:43.56 | mrex | hi, what is the package that has the documentation containing the standard libraries and stl's for devhelp (in unstable) glibc-doc doesnt appear in devhelp |
| 11:44.22 | mrex | devhelp-books (what i used to use a while back) is gone it seems |
| 11:44.36 | jm_ | manpages-dev, stl is libstdc++*doc |
| 11:44.49 | mrex | thanks |
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| 11:45.17 | Azar | I guess is not the lazyness, or dumbness, that kept me away from firewalls, is the annoyances of fucking up and not being able to fix |
| 11:45.24 | aybr | i get /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file . kernel panic . when i try using kernel 2.6.12. and when try to use kernel 2.6.8 it boot ok . but get " the dma on your hard disk is turned off " what i can do to solve this problem |
| 11:45.29 | Azar | yep that is the exact definition: fear of fuckups |
| 11:45.40 | jm_ | aybr: find out why 2.6.12 doesn't work |
| 11:45.49 | NET||abuse | yay, i'm updating stufff.... ;) |
| 11:46.01 | NET||abuse | is there a way to check for all upgradable packages in debian ? |
| 11:46.07 | NET||abuse | in aptitude i mean. |
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| 11:46.15 | Azar | you get some application you do not know "how it works" fuck up with it than sit dumb and blocked |
| 11:46.20 | aybr | i thing it can't recognize my hard disk |
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| 11:47.24 | aybr | btw i use serial hard disk , main chipset is i945 and cpu intel 3.4 2m cashe |
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| 11:48.21 | ejofee | in your opinion, when will ipv4 be completely dropped? |
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| 11:48.33 | Azar | www.howtoforge.com could not be found |
| 11:48.35 | Azar | wtf |
| 11:48.39 | ryan- | ejofee: many many years |
| 11:48.46 | ryan- | ejofee: decade at least |
| 11:48.54 | cockroach | hi! just to make sure: am i correct in assuming that errors like "end_request: I/O error, dev 03:07 (hda), sector 0" most likely indicate a fscked harddrive? I recently upgraded the machine's kernel - could that be a reason for this, too? |
| 11:48.58 | mrex | jm_ , i had libstdc++, manpages-dev didn't help. the devhelp doesnt contain any of the std library documentation. dpkg-reconfigure devhelp didnt work either, any ideas? |
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| 11:49.07 | jm_ | you need to find out if it loads initrd and if it loads support for your disks and recognizes them - more meaningful than i945 would be ICR version |
| 11:49.26 | jm_ | mrex: /msg dpkg any idea |
| 11:49.30 | ejofee | ryan-: thanks. well, at least it will. better later than never. |
| 11:49.34 | jm_ | any ideas even |
| 11:49.46 | mrex | ;) |
| 11:50.27 | jm_ | mrex: I said libstdc++*doc, standard package doesn't have any docs (not that the -doc one is too useful either) |
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| 11:50.31 | x-x- | aybr: installation? |
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| 11:50.46 | Azar | why is I only can access sites through "cached" google ? |
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| 11:50.51 | aybr | no update kernel |
| 11:50.51 | mikol | laible: dpkg -l libc6 gives me: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 11:51.06 | mrex | jm_ , sorry, i meant libstdc++6-doc |
| 11:51.07 | Azar | www.linuxsecurity.org can not be accessed |
| 11:51.09 | jm_ | cockroach: look for error= and status= lines |
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| 11:51.13 | mikol | but apt-get install foo > file.txt says tht cant install foo |
| 11:51.16 | jm_ | mrex: that one has the docs |
| 11:51.21 | mrex | jm_ and its not showing in devhelp |
| 11:51.31 | jm_ | mrex: not sure about devhelp per-se, I am not using that |
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| 11:51.47 | mrex | jm_ what do u use? i'll try that |
| 11:51.53 | x-x- | aybr: so the system did work normally? |
| 11:52.19 | mikol | liable: kdeblibs require kdelibs4 and kedlibs-bin (4:3.3.2-6.2) but it wont be installed |
| 11:52.36 | jm_ | mrex: just man pages and info pages, or for packages like libstdc++*-doc I simply use a web browser in /usr/share/doc/gcc-*base/libstdc++/html |
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| 11:52.56 | mrex | thx |
| 11:53.01 | mikol | liable: kdelibs-bin require perl (5.8.4-8sarge3 should be installed) |
| 11:53.17 | mikol | liable: perl require perl base |
| 11:53.17 | cockroach | jm_: i can't find any, but that's because i can't open the log files ('Input/output error'). dmesg just gives a lot of errors like "EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,7)) in ext3_reserve_inode_write: IO failure" and "end_request: I/O error, dev 03:07 (hda), sector 0" |
| 11:53.22 | jm_ | mikol: add security entries to sources.list |
| 11:53.48 | jm_ | cockroach: if you try to access a fucked up file it will appear again in dmesg so you should see them |
| 11:53.49 | mikol | liable: but typing apt-get install perl-base gives me: cant isntall perl because newest one is already installed (5.8.4-8) |
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| 11:54.14 | mikol | jm_: fine |
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| 11:54.44 | jm_ | cockroach: then again, if it doesn't, simply try to read sector 0 and check dmesg afterwards |
| 11:54.56 | chill | how do i start a program in an other language? |
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| 11:55.04 | jm_ | chill: locale |
| 11:55.12 | chill | jm_: merci |
| 11:55.19 | mikol | jm_: i need to know how to make printscreens of apt errors tho, apt-get install foo > file.txt says: cant get foo, there is no package |
| 11:55.27 | cockroach | jm_: how exactly can i read a specific sector? |
| 11:55.47 | jm_ | mikol: 1) I have already told you, 2) people have used foo as an example, replace it with a proper package name |
| 11:55.52 | myren | i know "best" is a dirty word, but whats the best repository for ffmpeg and w32codecs &c &c? |
| 11:55.58 | jm_ | cockroach: well for sector 0 it's trivial - fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 11:55.59 | mikol | jm_ |
| 11:56.12 | mikol | jm_: fine, didnt know that foo is package, thought that it miht be some prog lol |
| 11:56.17 | mikol | isnt***** |
| 11:56.19 | cockroach | jm_: ah, ok :) |
| 11:56.26 | liable | hehe |
| 11:56.28 | dingus9 | any one have a solution for getting xorg to display wide screen res for an lcd laptop? |
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| 11:56.50 | epsilon | *ARGL*KILLME* I wonder why the box is so slow and unstable, I forgot to mount swap in fstab... |
| 11:56.53 | liable | !info kdelibs-bin sarge |
| 11:57.00 | myren | dingus9: yeah, tell /etc/X11/xorg.conf what resolution you want to run and run it. |
| 11:57.35 | myren | dingus9: try control-alt- + and control-alt- -, see if a good res is already in your xorg.conf |
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| 11:57.42 | cockroach | jm_: dammit, too many dmesg entries to find out, who creates which. and i can't seem to turn off services as i keep getting i/o errors :( |
| 11:57.54 | liable | mikol: theres somrthing messed up with your sources, this really shouldnt happen with sarge, we just need to find what it is.. |
| 11:57.56 | x-x- | dingus9: i have mine set to 1600x1200, it will drop down to your max |
| 11:57.56 | Dulan | Random question. Where in the hell is XF86Config located in etch? |
| 11:57.57 | jm_ | cockroach: dmesg|egrep 'error=|status=' |
| 11:58.07 | jm_ | liable: he's missing security entries |
| 11:58.15 | cockroach | jm_: i did that, nothing |
| 11:58.16 | jm_ | Dulan: Etch is using X.org |
| 11:58.23 | jm_ | cockroach: even after fdisk? |
| 11:58.24 | Dulan | jm_: Ah, thanks. |
| 11:58.25 | dingus9 | myren, I wish it would be that easy |
| 11:58.26 | mikol | jm_: i got # in front of them, i thought that i wont need em anymore |
| 11:58.31 | mikol | i will edit in 5 min, sec plz |
| 11:58.35 | napoleao | anyone know how to fix this cfdisk error "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 11:58.35 | napoleao | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.37 | liable | jm_: hrm, the installer should of added that, but good point. |
| 11:58.37 | dpkg | kdelibs-bin: (KDE core binaries), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 843 kB, Installed size: 2580 kB |
| 11:58.47 | jm_ | liable: yes, see above ;) |
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| 11:59.46 | cockroach | jm_: yes, but as I said, maybe the message has already left dmesg's buffer |
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| 12:00.16 | dingus9 | x-x-, ive tried everything I can think of and it keeps going to 1024x768 under winxp it had 1280x800 and one other wide res |
| 12:00.25 | jm_ | cockroach: well you need to know those before you can tell what kind of error you're seeing |
| 12:00.32 | mrex | dingus9, what does the log say |
| 12:00.51 | mrex | probably just vsync and hsync are set too low |
| 12:01.27 | x-x- | dingus9: 1280x800 doesn't work? try commenting out the hsync and vsync |
| 12:01.29 | cockroach | jm_: okay, i'll just kill all processes i can, and then try again |
| 12:01.51 | x-x- | and remember to restart X |
| 12:01.53 | x-x- | :) |
| 12:02.33 | myren | try checking your logs first |
| 12:02.54 | bkankur | hello friends.. make-kpkg command not install.. for that which package i need to install |
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| 12:03.02 | myren | blind error changing is rarely recommended before making basic attempts at figuring out why something is failing, no offense x-x- |
| 12:03.03 | jm_ | bkankur: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:03.51 | cockroach | jm_: still nothing. fdisk just says "Input/output error" and no new entries are added to dmesg |
| 12:04.19 | myren | any suggestions on whether i should use marillat or rarewares for multimedia junks? i keep getting all these cvs packages that havent been updated in a year |
| 12:04.19 | jm_ | cockroach: does time stampchange on dmesg entries at all? |
| 12:05.13 | bkankur | jm_: debian:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# /msg dpkg search |
| 12:05.14 | bkankur | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 12:05.15 | cockroach | jm_: there are no timestamps (I use the "dmesg" command as I can't access /var/log/dmesg) |
| 12:05.26 | jm_ | bkankur: run that command in your IRC client |
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| 12:05.44 | jm_ | cockroach: ahh of course, ok , how about dmesg|md5sum - does it change over time? |
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| 12:06.14 | wathek | what's a zombie process ? |
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| 12:06.26 | jm_ | wathek: /msg dpkg zombie |
| 12:06.33 | cockroach | jm_: heh, md5sum is broken ("/usr/bin/md5sum: Input/output error") |
| 12:06.35 | dingus9 | x-x-, no I have even tried a mode and commented all but the 1280x800 in xorg I also ran xresprobe which returned 1280x800 |
| 12:06.45 | jm_ | cockroach: quality ;) |
| 12:06.53 | wathek | jm_, I got nothing |
| 12:06.58 | cockroach | jm_: heh |
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| 12:07.19 | jm_ | wathek: it works just fine as long as you can get private messages |
| 12:07.28 | cockroach | jm_: wow, quite a mess in /usr/bin ... |
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| 12:07.53 | jm_ | cockroach: yeah it's possible everything is messed up because of fs errors it's reporting |
| 12:07.54 | wathek | alright |
| 12:08.25 | wathek | I got an other question about find what does find -size -12k /tmp ? it shows files bigger or smaller or equal to 12k ? |
| 12:08.50 | jm_ | equal, info find and read about it |
| 12:08.50 | cockroach | jm_: probably. I guess I'll just have to do a fresh install on another disk and see which, if any, data can be saved. |
| 12:09.02 | wathek | jm_, ok |
| 12:09.21 | jm_ | cockroach: or use some sort of Live CD |
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| 12:09.45 | wathek | jm_, equal and smaller |
| 12:09.46 | wathek | :D |
| 12:09.56 | cockroach | jm_: indeed |
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| 12:10.15 | jm_ | wathek: no, it's exactly |
| 12:10.28 | dr1v3r | anyone recommend a standard FTP server please? |
| 12:10.35 | wathek | jm_, I tryied it |
| 12:10.36 | dr1v3r | one that works with SSL |
| 12:10.41 | wathek | it shows me equal and smaller |
| 12:10.44 | wathek | files |
| 12:10.49 | wizzomafizzo | Can someone please tell me how to change the uh.. base folder for apache, it keeps redirecting to ./apache2-default/ |
| 12:10.53 | jm_ | wathek: no way |
| 12:10.53 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: vsftpd? |
| 12:10.59 | wathek | jm_, lool |
| 12:11.04 | tarzeau | wizzomafizzo: see the config file? why use apache2? |
| 12:11.07 | dr1v3r | yea al try that one thank you L:D |
| 12:11.35 | bibe | wizzomafizzo : comment out the RedirectMatch line in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 12:11.51 | wizzomafizzo | tarzeau: Debian installed it by default from the cd. |
| 12:11.55 | wizzomafizzo | bibe: Thanks. |
| 12:12.03 | bibe | wizzomafizzo : no problem |
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| 12:13.58 | dr1v3r | tartuffe any idea where the vsftpd.conf is located after compile? |
| 12:14.12 | tartuffe | yes |
| 12:14.30 | tartuffe | in /etc normaly else you create it |
| 12:14.38 | dak | wow that wiki site in the topic is nice not some trash |
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| 12:14.51 | dr1v3r | oppss sorry i meant tarzeau, sorry, thanks :D |
| 12:15.02 | Nermal | hmmm.. I'm trying to enable TLS on exim4 under debian. I've created the certificates with exim-gencert and added dc_enable_tls='true' to /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and ran update-exim4.conf then restarted exim4 but when I do a EHLO localhost on the server I still get " host in tls_advertise_hosts? no (option unset)" |
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| 12:15.48 | Zugschlus | merl15: where did you find the information about "dc_enable_tls"? |
| 12:15.53 | Zugschlus | argh |
| 12:15.58 | Zugschlus | Nermal: where did you find the information about "dc_enable_tls"? |
| 12:16.17 | Mjelva | this is a pretty basic question, but hopefully someone will bother responding anyway. how do i use echo to output something to a remote terminal? i've seen it used once, and it went somewhere along the lines of "echo 'address'/pts/2 >> 'message'" |
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| 12:16.53 | tarzeau | wizzomafizzo: no debian doesn't install apache2 by default |
| 12:17.04 | tarzeau | wizzomafizzo: but you alwayas have the possibility to get apache installed |
| 12:17.13 | liable | Mjelva: write? |
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| 12:18.00 | Dulan | All right. I've read all the documentation available at x.org, all the man pages I can find, and have been googling quite a bit. And for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to enable more than 2 resolutions in KDE - 640x480 and 320x240. Is xorg.conf the proper file to edit? |
| 12:18.08 | Mjelva | liable - i'll check that out. thanks. |
| 12:18.13 | wizzomafizzo | tarzeau: It was a custom dvd. Maybe that's why, but it did it without me doing anything. |
| 12:18.27 | tarzeau | wizzomafizzo: so it wasn't debian? |
| 12:18.31 | liable | Dulan: yes, what chipset? |
| 12:18.44 | Dulan | liable: nVidia, PCI GF2MX |
| 12:18.44 | wizzomafizzo | It was Debian, but it was put together by some magazine. |
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| 12:19.04 | AlexW | will shutdown -P now |
| 12:19.08 | AlexW | turn off the computer fully |
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| 12:19.33 | jm_ | if your kernel has appropriate support, then yes |
| 12:19.51 | AlexW | how do i know if it supports it? |
| 12:19.56 | jm_ | try it and see |
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| 12:20.15 | jm_ | you'll need ACPI or APM support, so poke arround in /proc/acpi or /proc/apm |
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| 12:20.52 | tarzeau | AlexW: poweroff will |
| 12:21.00 | tarzeau | AlexW: try out and find out |
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| 12:21.10 | liable | Dulan: you have used dpkg-reconfigure-xorgxserver snd chosen different resolutions? |
| 12:21.19 | Dulan | liable: Yeah. Let me try it again. |
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| 12:21.41 | wizzomafizzo | So is there a default password for mysql or something? Because I can't access it :/ |
| 12:21.42 | liable | gah, i need typing lessons again.. |
| 12:21.49 | simmers | hey guys. does anybody know if it is possible to create a debian system with wireless-tools and x11-base packages that is under 128mb? |
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| 12:22.00 | sylvisj | So, I was on the Wine website when I got a question... What the heck si the difference between Ubuntu and Debian? It seems Ubuntu really IS Debian in a mask |
| 12:22.04 | Gathond | wizzomafizzo: i believe the debian default one is empty |
| 12:22.04 | jm_ | your monitor settings also matter, because it won't let you higher resolutions if your monitor can't handle them |
| 12:22.12 | wizzomafizzo | Ok. |
| 12:22.15 | liable | Dulan: check your logs and see what it says about the other resolutions and google i spose. |
| 12:22.29 | jm_ | let you use that is |
| 12:22.38 | Gathond | sylvisj: ubuntu is iirc a snapshot of unbstable with some patches/modicitations/setup alterations |
| 12:22.39 | Dulan | liable: All right, thanks. jm_: It's a Dell 2001FP, I'm pretty sure it can handle more than 640x480. |
| 12:22.53 | jm_ | Dulan: as in 21" TFT? |
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| 12:23.05 | Mjelva | thanks a lot, liable. it worked like a charm. |
| 12:23.05 | coreyo | are there any known UDP networking issues in the stable (2.6.8-2) debian kernel? |
| 12:23.07 | Dulan | jm_: 20.1" LCD, max of 16x12 res. |
| 12:23.14 | sylvisj | Gathond: So basically a gimped remake of Unstable? |
| 12:23.24 | Installedok | Hi peeps I hava a question ( well ime a newbie and I dont understand DOH! ) |
| 12:23.33 | jm_ | Dulan: similar to mine yeah, check X logfile to see what it says about resolutions, like liable has said |
| 12:23.40 | Gathond | sylvisj: as I understand it yes, not sure how much they actually changes |
| 12:23.47 | Mjelva | say, is there some way i can send a remote user to TTY1 from remote? |
| 12:24.25 | opqdonut | Mjelva: no easy way i know of |
| 12:24.25 | liable | Mjelva: so they can see what your up too? |
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| 12:24.28 | Mjelva | wow. redundancy of redundancy department, mjelva speaking |
| 12:24.46 | opqdonut | why would you ant that? |
| 12:24.50 | opqdonut | want* |
| 12:24.53 | Mjelva | liable - yes. i tried opening an xterm from remote. that worked. but tty1 would be cooler. |
| 12:25.09 | Mjelva | opqdonut - 'write' command |
| 12:25.10 | Installedok | How come ubuntu asks for a disc to be placed in drive and then does nothing with it ? |
| 12:25.11 | liable | Mjelva: screen and screen -x may be what you are after? |
| 12:25.23 | tarzeau | coreyo: no |
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| 12:26.03 | jm_ | Installedok: go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu related questions |
| 12:26.04 | opqdonut | Mjelva: err? you can write(1) to any user and any terminal that has messages enabled... |
| 12:26.08 | Installedok | k |
| 12:26.22 | liable | Mjelva: actually, maybe if you explain what you are actually trying to do might be easier. |
| 12:26.25 | jm_ | yeah, Debian defaults to 620 devpts entries |
| 12:26.34 | jm_ | so write should work |
| 12:26.40 | dr1v3r | tarzeau the vsftpd.conf the place where you specify the port number? its just i cant seam to connect tothe ftp lol |
| 12:26.48 | simmers | does anybody know if it is possible to create a debian system with wireless-tools and x11-base packages that is under 128mb? |
| 12:27.17 | CcSsNET | simmers join channel damn small linux |
| 12:27.21 | CcSsNET | no spaces |
| 12:27.22 | liable | isnt base about 150? |
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| 12:27.29 | Mjelva | liable / opqdonut - i basically just wanna make the 'write' message a bit more obvious |
| 12:27.35 | wathek | what's the isapnptools used for |
| 12:27.43 | Mjelva | by forcing the user to tty1 |
| 12:27.55 | jm_ | wathek: ISA PnP cards, but you don't really need it with current kernels |
| 12:27.59 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: lol |
| 12:28.02 | opqdonut | Mjelva: errr i dont quite get your purpose |
| 12:28.10 | wathek | jm_, and it's used for what ? |
| 12:28.15 | Mjelva | opqdonut - fun |
| 12:28.15 | wathek | jm_, to do what ? |
| 12:28.16 | simmers | CcSsNET: DSL is based on knoppix and has a really strange and counterintuitive layout when hd installed. i was trying to locate a howto that is debian-specific |
| 12:28.18 | coreyo | is anyone having trouble with bind9 in the stable tree, or UDP in general with the 2.6.8-2 kernel? |
| 12:28.23 | jm_ | wathek: do you know what PnP stands for? |
| 12:28.26 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: i don't think anyone wants to run ftp on another port or use ssl with ftp. sorry |
| 12:28.35 | wathek | jm_, Plug and play |
| 12:28.44 | jm_ | wathek: right, so apt-cache show isapnptools |
| 12:28.45 | wathek | jm_, in Windows system it's Plug and Pray |
| 12:28.48 | CcSsNET | eh o well |
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| 12:29.23 | dr1v3r | I need to see what the default port is, usually it s21 but it aint owrking :( |
| 12:29.26 | dr1v3r | *working |
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| 12:29.36 | Mjelva | liable - i opened an xterm via a terminal ssh session, but it tied up the terminal i started it from. any way to start multiple processes from the same terminal with minimal hassle? |
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| 12:29.58 | tralala | I have a programme that I want to start every time a user fires X session and kill it when the session ends. I have figured out the starting part - /etc/Xsession.d, but I can't figure out the killing part. Any ideas? |
| 12:30.01 | azeem | Mjelva: xterm & |
| 12:30.05 | liable | Mjelva: screen |
| 12:30.07 | azeem | Mjelva: that will start it in the background |
| 12:30.17 | Mjelva | liable - screen i did figure. hence minimal hassle. |
| 12:30.20 | Mjelva | but thanks none the less |
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| 12:30.28 | wathek | jm_, it's for configuring the IRQ and Ports of an ISA Card ? |
| 12:30.28 | CcSsNET | mjelva "screen" |
| 12:30.40 | jm_ | wathek: yes |
| 12:30.42 | Mjelva | azeem - that did the trick. thanks a bunch. |
| 12:30.43 | liable | screen *is* minum hassle :) |
| 12:30.45 | wathek | jm_, alright |
| 12:30.45 | wathek | :D |
| 12:30.47 | wathek | jm_, thanx |
| 12:30.48 | wathek | :d |
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| 12:30.52 | CcSsNET | only thing i can think of |
| 12:30.53 | CcSsNET | lol |
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| 12:31.00 | wathek | sorry |
| 12:31.02 | Mjelva | liable - hehe. sure. i do love screen. but 'xterm &' was right up my alley for what i wanted this time. |
| 12:31.09 | Mjelva | thanks a lot guys. i've gotta get going. |
| 12:31.40 | tralala | wathek: try to fit as much as possible on a single line - you won't get kicked for long lines |
| 12:31.53 | wathek | tralala, ok ;) sorry for the flood |
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| 12:32.14 | dr1v3r | damn would help if i used the correct IP hahha |
| 12:32.16 | CcSsNET | use && if you want the next command to only run if the previos suceeded |
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| 12:32.31 | sylvisj | Wow I wish #winehq had a few people in it |
| 12:32.42 | ZeroKun | so thats the difference between && and ;...... |
| 12:33.09 | jm_ | ZeroKun: man page for your shell will explain it, or ABS |
| 12:33.16 | wathek | I got a question what the pnpdump is used for ? |
| 12:33.24 | tralala | ZeroKun: there is also ||. man (of info) bash will get you there |
| 12:33.27 | sylvisj | Whats the diff between && and ;? |
| 12:33.42 | azeem | sylvisj: man bash |
| 12:33.47 | ZeroKun | never knew |
| 12:33.54 | ZeroKun | course im not one to read mans :> |
| 12:33.54 | jm_ | wathek: bah, it was used to create initial config file for PnP cards, which you then edited and run isapnp on to initialize them |
| 12:34.02 | tralala | sylvisj: what does ``diff && ;'' give you? |
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| 12:34.22 | wathek | jm_, ok |
| 12:34.22 | sylvisj | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
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| 12:34.54 | tralala | sylvisj: this means there isn't an easier way to see the difference than reading the manual. |
| 12:35.13 | CcSsNET | CcSsNET's P3 Stats: |
| 12:35.14 | CcSsNET | Hostname: lauder - OS: Linux 2.6.8-2-686-smp/i686 - Distro: Debian 3.1 - CPU: 2 x Pentium III (Coppermine) (999.865 MHz) - Processes: 80 - Uptime: 5d 14h 10m - Users: 2 - Load Average: 2.08 - Memory Usage: 120.01MB/1011.76MB (11.86%) - Disk Usage: 4.66GB/25.59GB (18.22%) |
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| 12:35.38 | sylvisj | Ouch, P3 |
| 12:35.43 | CcSsNET | dual |
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| 12:36.07 | CcSsNET | with a raid 0 accross 3 10k rpm scsi's |
| 12:36.18 | tralala | I wish I had a dual P3 or even a dual P2. |
| 12:36.24 | ZeroKun | lol |
| 12:36.35 | sylvisj | I wish I had a dual opty 280 setup |
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| 12:36.50 | tralala | and your own powerplant I guess |
| 12:36.57 | sylvisj | Naw, they don't use much power. |
| 12:36.59 | CcSsNET | heh |
| 12:37.17 | sylvisj | Would need one for a xeon, however. |
| 12:37.25 | sylvisj | Well, dual DC xeon |
| 12:37.37 | CcSsNET | quad or hex opterons anyone??? |
| 12:37.39 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:37.44 | sylvisj | Can't do hex yet |
| 12:37.48 | sylvisj | Dual, Quad, Oct |
| 12:37.56 | ZeroKun | i remember my friend said he got a dual 3.4ghz p4 server from his work and everytime(2) he turned it on the lights would dim |
| 12:37.58 | sylvisj | Have seen a 8x DC opty though |
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| 12:38.01 | liable | i wish i could wave my penis faster! :P |
| 12:38.03 | CcSsNET | hex is 8 corrrect |
| 12:38.07 | sylvisj | hex is 6 |
| 12:38.09 | sylvisj | oct is 8 |
| 12:38.11 | CcSsNET | o woops |
| 12:38.13 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:38.18 | sylvisj | ZeroKun: :P I can believe it. |
| 12:38.21 | CcSsNET | yea oct then |
| 12:38.26 | ZeroKun | :) |
| 12:40.26 | sylvisj | Wow |
| 12:40.31 | sylvisj | Channel died while I refilled my coffee |
| 12:40.41 | ZeroKun | lol |
| 12:41.12 | azeem | sylvisj: this is a support channel. If there are no Debian questions, there is no need to answer. So sometimes, the channel is idle |
| 12:41.18 | dsl_ | If anyone asks like: debian doesn't support my sata or sata2 hd's, just tell them to boot with linux26, it works. |
| 12:41.29 | Hak`M | I can try to make up questions if you want. :P |
| 12:41.31 | sylvisj | azeem: Yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that I have rarely seen it idle. |
| 12:41.35 | azeem | dsl_: we do :) |
| 12:41.36 | sylvisj | dsl_ I've had to tell people that as well |
| 12:41.42 | liable | Hak`M: for some chipsets, yes. |
| 12:41.42 | dsl_ | ok |
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| 12:41.54 | liable | err. |
| 12:42.36 | Hak`M | Oh wait I have one I think, is the fglrx package in sid update to work with the new xorg yet? |
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| 12:44.32 | sylvisj | love linux |
| 12:45.11 | dr1v3r | Ok guys i have more than one IP on my box, what is the command to view all IPs? i thought it was ifcinfig but it only shows one |
| 12:45.12 | Zapelius | is there an easy way to get all installed packages listed with versions? I need to grep some bad ones (version) that need to be removed |
| 12:45.34 | jm_ | Zapelius: dpkg -l lists both |
| 12:45.39 | dr1v3r | *ifconfig |
| 12:45.41 | jm_ | so yes, there is a way |
| 12:47.47 | Zapelius | mm.. was too easy. thanks |
| 12:47.51 | tralala | Zapelius: aptitude search ~i |
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| 12:48.38 | tralala | dr1v3r: ip a |
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| 12:48.56 | Evaso | hi anybody have got experience with a promise fasttrack 133 controller on linux? |
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| 12:51.15 | Zapelius | I installed somewhat 2-3 years ago packages, that were not that good packaged (versioned) and now they stick in my system |
| 12:51.44 | Zapelius | I get almost everything removed when dist-upgrading :) |
| 12:52.02 | Zapelius | but should be solved now |
| 12:52.09 | dsl_ | I want to install the minimum (I have a sarge netinstall cd), then apt-get kde, synaptic..., now it asks me what to install (desktop environment, server,... select packages manually), I saw that list of packages once and got really scared, can I choose nothing and then build up with apt? |
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| 12:52.30 | Dulan | This is a quirky issue. I can't get X to shut down with etch - alt + ctrl + backspace do not work, nor do kill -9. I just want a plain dumb terminal - how does one go about halting X? |
| 12:52.44 | sylvisj | dsl_: Yeah, just make sure nothing is marked (mark/unmark with space) and hit enter. |
| 12:52.55 | sylvisj | It'll still download the required libs, etc. for a few things IIRC. |
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| 12:53.04 | dsl_ | ok thanks |
| 12:53.07 | sylvisj | But, not nearly as much as if you checked something, say desktop environment. |
| 12:53.10 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 12:53.23 | Garp | (bebye) |
| 12:53.44 | Installedok | THX Ubotu for the link but ime still unable to install any applications |
| 12:53.54 | Installedok | How do you do it ? |
| 12:53.54 | tziku | hello, what is the last kernell for debian ? and how can i update my curent kernell(2.4.27-2-386) to last ? |
| 12:54.08 | Installedok | I have opened a terminal window |
| 12:54.51 | Installedok | tried difrrent commands |
| 12:55.04 | sylvisj | tziku: Stable, Testing, Unstable? |
| 12:55.06 | Installedok | and not a lot is achieved |
| 12:55.08 | ronin | Installedok: as i scroll up i see yourun ubuntu? |
| 12:55.14 | tziku | Stable |
| 12:55.22 | tziku | sylvisj: Stable |
| 12:55.23 | Installedok | umm ? |
| 12:55.24 | sylvisj | 2.6.8 |
| 12:55.34 | Installedok | and |
| 12:55.36 | sylvisj | apt-cache search kernel image 2.6.8 |
| 12:55.44 | sylvisj | Find the one that'll fit you best and install it, tziku |
| 12:55.48 | tziku | thx :) |
| 12:55.52 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 12:55.57 | ronin | well this channel is for debian, perhaps #ubuntu will be able to help you more |
| 12:55.58 | sylvisj | Installedok: #ubuntu |
| 12:56.01 | sylvisj | !ubuntu |
| 12:56.01 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 12:56.30 | gkoers | hello, i just did a fresh install of sarge (3.1r1) from CD; is it normal that the default sources.list uses "unstable" as release? |
| 12:56.31 | Installedok | Not really their less forthcoming (may its because ime newbie ?) |
| 12:56.42 | tziku | sylvisj i correct this: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. ? Naw i have: 2.4.27-2-386 . |
| 12:56.51 | ronin | Installedok: more likely they're not in/awake yet |
| 12:56.52 | Installedok | should I go and hide somwere then |
| 12:57.01 | tziku | or. this: kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches ? |
| 12:57.24 | sylvisj | tziku: What cpu are you on? i386, P3, P4, K7, K8, etc...? |
| 12:57.41 | tziku | P3 - Dual 7333 Coopermine |
| 12:57.43 | Installedok | Well I tried Monday morning and there was nothing at all their |
| 12:57.44 | tziku | 733* |
| 12:57.50 | Installedok | not a livin sole |
| 12:58.04 | Installedok | You know when your alone |
| 12:58.27 | sylvisj | Then go with a 2.6.8-2- that ends in i386 and SMP |
| 12:58.29 | Installedok | And its all dark and dreary |
| 12:58.40 | sylvisj | yeah, that's because Ubuntu bites. Go get debian :P |
| 12:58.41 | Installedok | Well I was their |
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| 12:58.46 | gkoers | does this mean i'm stuck with "unstable" (i'd prefer "stable" but i'm really unsure how to go back from unstable to stable) |
| 12:58.51 | ronin | *cough* install debian Installedok |
| 12:58.51 | tziku | ok sylvisj |
| 12:59.07 | sylvisj | gkoers: Can't downgrade without a lot more trouble than it's worth. Just download a stable netinst cd and reinstall. |
| 12:59.07 | Installedok | yeah but thats all command line as well? |
| 12:59.13 | ronin | gkoers: theres no way that i know of short of reinstalling |
| 12:59.20 | sylvisj | I'm on Testing / KDE right now |
| 12:59.23 | ronin | Installedok: what the install or the distro? |
| 12:59.25 | sylvisj | I was on Stable / KDE before this |
| 12:59.35 | Installedok | I want to build this up to how I want things to run and my ipod is one of those things |
| 13:00.01 | Installedok | Windows wont even sniff at it without rolling over dead |
| 13:00.23 | tziku | sylvisj: I don't see any i386 with support multy procesor. :( |
| 13:00.25 | Installedok | Ime optomistic if not slightly bemused |
| 13:00.33 | gkoers | ronin/sylvisj: I just did a fresh install and i never got the option of choosing between stable or unstable ... that's why i'm wondering |
| 13:00.40 | sylvisj | tziku: What all is there? |
| 13:00.52 | sylvisj | gkoers: That's because you installed off an unstable CD. Download a stable one. |
| 13:01.11 | sylvisj | tziku: List me the 2.6.8 ones ending in SMP |
| 13:01.15 | gkoers | you're kidding |
| 13:01.19 | tziku | sylvisj: http://86.104.68.129/this.txt |
| 13:01.21 | sylvisj | gkoers: Nope. |
| 13:01.22 | Installedok | Ime not really scared yet LOL |
| 13:01.29 | tziku | sorry |
| 13:01.33 | tziku | sylvisj: http://86.104.64.32/this.txt |
| 13:01.35 | tziku | this :D |
| 13:01.39 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 13:02.20 | sylvisj | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP. <-- Give this one a try. |
| 13:02.28 | Installedok | I suppose with a browser named conqurer it just sums up my state of mind |
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| 13:02.43 | sylvisj | :P I don't think many people use Konqueror. I'm on Firefox, myself. |
| 13:02.44 | tziku | but is any problem if is : 686 ? |
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| 13:02.50 | ronin | Installedok: you have two options as i see it, 1. install debian 2. go to #ubuntu :) |
| 13:02.52 | Installedok | me too |
| 13:03.03 | gkoers | sylvisj: i downloaded with jigdo from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 13:03.22 | gkoers | that's the official images |
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| 13:03.35 | sylvisj | tziku: Nope. Your P3 is a 686-class CPU. It'll be fine. |
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| 13:03.43 | gkoers | it says literally "Official jigdo files for the "stable" release on CD" |
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| 13:03.59 | sylvisj | Bleh. gkoers: It's a lot easier to just download the Stable ISO and burn it. |
| 13:04.41 | gkoers | that's what i thought i did ... |
| 13:05.29 | Installedok | Umm ? I dont like makin choices especially as they are both quite a challenge |
| 13:05.38 | azeem | gkoers: do you know jigdo? |
| 13:05.40 | azeem | !jigdo |
| 13:05.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 13:05.46 | gkoers | i think it's a bug on the debian website |
| 13:05.58 | gkoers | I did it with jigdo |
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| 13:06.00 | LSorensen | gkoers: what is a bug? |
| 13:06.01 | sylvisj | Might very well be. Just direct download a stable netinst iso. |
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| 13:06.25 | bkankur | which package i need to install ... to have make-dpkg |
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| 13:06.32 | sylvisj | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 13:06.33 | azeem | bkankur: kernel-package |
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| 13:06.39 | LSorensen | gkoers: I have used jigdo to get sarge images before and they always worked |
| 13:06.44 | tziku | sylvisj if my cpu dosn't support 686 the sistem may freeze ? |
| 13:06.46 | gkoers | LSorensen: that the stable ISO images for i386 are actually unstable |
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| 13:06.54 | azeem | gkoers: huh? |
| 13:06.55 | LSorensen | gkoers: not when I got them |
| 13:07.06 | azeem | gkoers: what do you mean exactly with "unstable"? |
| 13:07.18 | sylvisj | tziku: If it doesn't, it'll be pretty fcking slow til you apt-get remove it. |
| 13:07.22 | pettern | i got disconnected from my ssh session where i was running apt-get upgrade. is there any way to take control over that prosess again? |
| 13:07.25 | LSorensen | gkoers: if it uses kernel 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 then it is stable |
| 13:07.32 | tziku | ok :)) ok thx |
| 13:07.33 | Dulan | All right. This is driving me crazy. alt+ctrl+backspace does not give me a default terminal prompt - instead, the greeter just restarts. How does someone kill X/the greeter with etch? |
| 13:07.33 | LSorensen | pettern: no. |
| 13:07.34 | internat | did u screen the session? |
| 13:07.35 | sylvisj | I suggest adding a boot loader if you're nervous. I'm positive that it will work, it says in the description that it will. |
| 13:07.40 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 13:07.46 | gkoers | that goes back to my first question: why is in sources.list the default release "unstable"? |
| 13:07.46 | sep | would the i386 arch run on a crusoe cpu ? |
| 13:07.51 | pettern | no i forgot to use screen |
| 13:08.04 | LSorensen | Dulan: control+alt+F1. login, then /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm or xdm stop |
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| 13:08.10 | LSorensen | sep: it should |
| 13:08.19 | azeem | gkoers: are you sure you took the right jigdo files? |
| 13:08.22 | bkankur | azeem : but it shows me the message as "Package kernel-package is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package kernel-package has no installation candidate" |
| 13:08.35 | LSorensen | gkoers: I sure don't remember it doing that |
| 13:08.57 | azeem | bkankur: what distribution are you running? |
| 13:09.19 | sylvisj | bkankur: In /etc/apt/sources.list, on whaveter your source line is, add 'contrib non-free' after 'main' |
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| 13:09.24 | LSorensen | gkoers: I know in expert mode I believe you can ask it to use unstable though |
| 13:09.33 | azeem | sylvisj: kernel-package is in main |
| 13:09.44 | sylvisj | Odd. |
| 13:09.46 | gkoers | LSorensen: i'm not sure if i'm now running on stable or unstable; my kernel is 2.2.27-2-386; it's just that my sources.list uses "unstable" |
| 13:09.50 | azeem | bkankur: maybe you need to setup ftp/http APT sources, if you just installed from CD |
| 13:09.57 | sylvisj | gkoers: That's unstable, then. |
| 13:10.07 | sylvisj | gkoers: And quite an old kernel. |
| 13:10.10 | LSorensen | gkoers: I hope you mean 2.4.27 |
| 13:10.11 | azeem | gkoers: 2.2.27 is not from stable anyway |
| 13:10.18 | gkoers | sorry 2.4 |
| 13:10.21 | raf256 | I need to update a apt gpg key, on machine that do not have direct internet access, how to? |
| 13:10.35 | SlayerXP | raf256: /topic |
| 13:10.46 | LSorensen | gkoers: that means you are using stable. maybe there was a bug in the sources.list creation. just fix it to stable and you are set |
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| 13:10.52 | azeem | raf256: gpg --export -a <keyid> on the connected machine |
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| 13:10.59 | SlayerXP | raf256: grab the key on a machine that _is_ connected and copy it across |
| 13:11.00 | raf256 | SlayerXP: on machine without itnernet god damnmit |
| 13:11.01 | azeem | raf256: import that on the other one |
| 13:11.12 | SlayerXP | raf256: read what I typed bob dammit |
| 13:11.26 | azeem | SlayerXP: you two typed at the same time |
| 13:11.36 | raf256 | ok then ;) |
| 13:12.00 | gkoers | LSorensen: ok thanks; i hope this doesn't screw up things cuz i just recovered from stable/unstable mess |
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| 13:12.15 | LSorensen | gkoers: I doubt it. which version did you get jigdo files for? |
| 13:12.29 | vin` | gkoers: upgrade all the way or stick with stable. |
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| 13:12.50 | ick | After an installation of udev (and a reboot), the network does not get up. |
| 13:13.01 | LSorensen | gkoers: 3.1r0 had a sources.list bug of some kind. 3.1r0a fixed that. 3.1r1 I haven't tried installing from cd yet |
| 13:13.11 | dsl_ | I'd like some help with X, just to get started. (ATI radeon x600) |
| 13:13.18 | bkankur | azeem : i am using debian 3.1 r1 |
| 13:13.19 | gkoers | the jigdo was "debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.jigdo" |
| 13:13.26 | LSorensen | ick: it may have swapped your network ports. or you have to tell it to load the driver (in case udev doesn't know your card type yet) |
| 13:13.26 | gkoers | and 2 & 3 |
| 13:13.36 | LSorensen | gkoers: that should be the right one |
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| 13:13.41 | azeem | gkoers: so did you get unstable? |
| 13:13.44 | azeem | +how |
| 13:13.46 | ick | LSorensen: Also, ifconfig only shows lo. |
| 13:13.56 | LSorensen | azeem: no it is stable with unstable listed in sources.list it seems |
| 13:13.59 | ick | LSorensen: while first it showed all interfaces. |
| 13:14.00 | LSorensen | ick: ifconfig -a? |
| 13:14.17 | ick | ick: yes |
| 13:14.21 | LSorensen | ick: just add the driver for the network card to /etc/modules |
| 13:14.32 | ick | LSorensen: lspci shows all the cards. |
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| 13:14.38 | holycow | hey guys |
| 13:14.38 | ick | LSorensen: They are all loaded. |
| 13:14.45 | LSorensen | ick: udev doesn't have as complete a list of hardware ids as hotplug and discover yet |
| 13:14.56 | jorg1 | speak spanish please |
| 13:14.59 | LSorensen | ick: your network driver is loaded for ifconfig -a says no device? |
| 13:15.05 | sylvisj | !spanish |
| 13:15.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:15.32 | holycow | just a shot in the dark, has anyone read about or run into a situation where a system waits 1 minutes before a grub menu shows up on boot? i'm googling my beans off but i cant find a reference to this, i could of sworn reading about this earlier ... anyone hear about it or know of a link to reference? |
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| 13:15.36 | ick | LSorensen: ifconfig -a shows lo and sit0. |
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| 13:15.41 | holycow | bah |
| 13:15.43 | jorg1 | spanishhhhhhhhhhh please |
| 13:15.43 | ick | LSorensen: I have no idea what sit0 is. |
| 13:15.44 | LSorensen | ick: what kind of network card? |
| 13:15.45 | jorg1 | je |
| 13:15.50 | LSorensen | ick: sit0 is ipv6 related |
| 13:15.51 | jorg1 | Hola |
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| 13:15.59 | ick | LSorensen: Marvell <something> |
| 13:16.09 | LSorensen | ick: did you recently upgrade your kernel? |
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| 13:16.23 | sylvisj | jorg1: No hablamos espanol. |
| 13:16.25 | sylvisj | !spanish jorg1 |
| 13:16.33 | ick | LSorensen: The upgrade process did that, but I had another kernel which worked fine, and I am using that one again. |
| 13:16.37 | jorg1 | por que ? |
| 13:16.39 | jorg1 | becose ? |
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| 13:16.53 | LSorensen | ick: try loading skge or sk98lin. some changes happened recently over the split between those |
| 13:16.54 | ronin | jorg1: because this is an english speaking channel thats why |
| 13:16.54 | sylvisj | Hablamos ingles. |
| 13:17.06 | secureboot | anyone have a good recommendation for how to make a copy of an lvm partition? this is NOT a CoW I'm talking about... an actual copy. I was doing dd if=/dev/lvmgroup/lvmparition of=/dev/lvmgroup/newlvmpartition, but i seem to be having some issues with that... for some reason, something about the newpartition isn't the same (Xen won't boot it...) |
| 13:17.14 | jorg1 | and what chanel is in spanish please |
| 13:17.14 | ick | LSorensen: So the fact that it comes up in lspci has nothing to do with it? |
| 13:17.19 | jorg1 | dou you know ? |
| 13:17.22 | ronin | jorg1: you were told 3 times |
| 13:17.29 | ronin | !spanish |
| 13:17.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:17.30 | LSorensen | ick: that just lists what is on the bus, nothing to do with support or loaded drivers |
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| 13:17.43 | ick | LSorensen: oh, ok. |
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| 13:17.58 | jorg1 | e times ? |
| 13:18.01 | sylvisj | jorg: #debian-es |
| 13:18.02 | jorg1 | 3 times ????? |
| 13:18.02 | LSorensen | ick: what does lspci -n|grep 0200 show? |
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| 13:18.18 | sylvisj | [07:14:44] <sylvisj> !spanish |
| 13:18.30 | sylvisj | [07:16:05] <sylvisj> !spanish jorg1 |
| 13:18.38 | sylvisj | [07:17:08] <ronin> !spanish |
| 13:18.39 | jorg1 | ok |
| 13:18.49 | Installedok | Whoop their it is !! |
| 13:19.02 | LSorensen | Installedok: you mean 'there it is' |
| 13:19.19 | Installedok | k its their "woteva" |
| 13:19.20 | Sonderblade | how do you upgrade mysql-server? |
| 13:19.29 | Installedok | Time for some music |
| 13:19.39 | SlayerXP | Sonderblade: apt-get update; apt-get install mysql-server |
| 13:19.42 | Installedok | If I can get the card to perform ? |
| 13:20.16 | ick | LSorensen: modprobe sk98lin worked. |
| 13:20.30 | ick | LSorensen: I am now rebooting to see whether it comes up again. |
| 13:20.35 | LSorensen | ick: ok. supposedly skge is taking over |
| 13:20.39 | ick | LSorensen: (I added it to modules) |
| 13:20.51 | LSorensen | ick: sk98lin is going to be deprecated at some point |
| 13:20.56 | Sonderblade | SlayerXP: But will that remove my old mysql-server? |
| 13:21.00 | Installedok | Is it good practice to reboot after installs ? |
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| 13:21.11 | ronin | Installedok: why? its not windows |
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| 13:21.15 | sylvisj | installedok: On windows, yes. On linux, don't always need to, but whatever makes you feel good inside. |
| 13:21.16 | ick | LSorensen: In what kernel is skge available? |
| 13:21.16 | Installedok | k |
| 13:21.18 | SlayerXP | Sonderblade: it will upgrade it. |
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| 13:21.30 | SlayerXP | Sonderblade: assuming any upgrade is available |
| 13:21.32 | ronin | Installedok: only time you ususally have to is after a kernal ugrade/install etc. |
| 13:21.50 | Sonderblade | SlayerXP: cause apt-get upgrade says mysql-server is "kept back" |
| 13:21.51 | LSorensen | ick: 2.6.15 has it for sure |
| 13:21.51 | Installedok | also What about defrage ? Ive heard it auto on Linux |
| 13:21.53 | sylvisj | ronin: There are people who don't know how to restart X server, etc. without rebooting. |
| 13:21.54 | gkoers | LSorensen, azeem: I just tried with apt-cdrom to add the first disk to sources.list; it automatically put "unstable contrib main" to the list. when I manually change "unstable" to "stable" though, apt-get update throws out "Err cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-3 (20051220)] stable/contrib Packages |
| 13:21.55 | gkoers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.09 | ick | LSorensen: Well, I have got all kinds of binary drivers(nvidia lockin). |
| 13:22.11 | nvz_ | I need to install a system (entirely offline) is there any easy way to tell how many cds I will need? I will need a newbie like environment capable of ripping audio cds, encoding mp3s, and transferring them to a USB mass storage device.. I think the first 1-3 cds will cover it except for the mp3 codec which I will probably have to d/l separate |
| 13:22.11 | SlayerXP | Sonderblade: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:22.12 | LSorensen | gkoers: on the cd that's not a problem since all releases on the cd point to what is on the cd. |
| 13:22.23 | ronin | sylvisj: ok forgot about that one, but then i tend not to restart x by rebooting |
| 13:22.30 | LSorensen | ick: nvidia runs fine here. |
| 13:22.33 | sylvisj | ronin: Ctrl alt backspace for me/ |
| 13:22.35 | sylvisj | . |
| 13:22.39 | ronin | sylvisj: heh |
| 13:22.47 | sylvisj | nVidia works awesome on Linux. It's ATi you have to worry about. |
| 13:22.51 | ick | LSorensen: But I'd have to reinstall all the binary drivers by hand. |
| 13:22.55 | LSorensen | ick: if sk98lin works for now, then stick with it |
| 13:22.56 | Sonderblade | SlayerXP: really? what would that do on debian unstable? |
| 13:23.02 | LSorensen | ick: by hand? m-a does that for you |
| 13:23.04 | nvz_ | or perhaps even better what would be an easy way for me to preselect the packages then burn them to a cd I can use as a repository after doing a netinstall :P |
| 13:23.11 | sylvisj | Sonderblade: Probably nothing. |
| 13:23.12 | ick | LSorensen: Not for the mainboard drivers, right? |
| 13:23.13 | LSorensen | ick: upgrade kernel and run: m-a a-i -t nvidia |
| 13:23.19 | LSorensen | ick: what mainboard drivers? |
| 13:23.24 | ick | LSorensen: The sound drivers. |
| 13:23.26 | SlayerXP | Sonderblade: upgrade stuff, I expect. |
| 13:23.27 | sylvisj | nvz_ That might be a good idea. Give it a try I suppose. Also, keep CD-RW's handy :P |
| 13:23.34 | ick | LSorensen: NFORCE drivers. |
| 13:23.36 | LSorensen | ick: whta sound card do you have that doesn't have drivers in the kernel? |
| 13:23.41 | LSorensen | ick: there are nforce drivers in the kernel. |
| 13:23.45 | nvz_ | sylvisj: well I already have netinstall discs with base on them |
| 13:23.51 | LSorensen | ick: I have used them myself on an nforce2 for the last 2 years |
| 13:23.51 | ick | LSorensen: Well, the nvidia drivers have hardware mixing. |
| 13:23.55 | sylvisj | LSorensen: There are quite a few... I know my ca0106 wouldn't work on stable |
| 13:23.59 | LSorensen | ick: yeah whatever. not worth the hassle |
| 13:24.09 | LSorensen | ick: if you want hardware mixing get an sb live. |
| 13:24.13 | nvz_ | sylvisj: I would just need to know how to take hand picked packages (with dependencies) and put them onto a cd that can be used as a valid apt source |
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| 13:24.33 | ick | LSorensen: Well, setting up software mixing is too much trouble for me. |
| 13:24.35 | LSorensen | ick: the video drivers for nvidia are easy with the debian package. |
| 13:24.39 | gkoers | LSorensen, azeem: ok thanks, apparently all dists on the disk are symlinks to sarge ... fffew that's a relief |
| 13:24.41 | sylvisj | nvz_: Just make apt download the .deb's only, pop 'em on a cd, put cd in, copy files to the hdd, dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 13:24.41 | ick | LSorensen: I know that. |
| 13:24.43 | sweet_kate | what mail/ng reader would you suggest me to use? |
| 13:24.43 | LSorensen | ick: actually I believe in 2.6.15 that too is automatic |
| 13:24.55 | ronin | sweet_kate: depends on you and your needs |
| 13:24.57 | LSorensen | ick: I think I read alsa now does automatic mixing |
| 13:25.06 | nvz_ | sylvisj: na that definatly wont work like if I specify the few packages I know he needs like grip, cdparanoia, lame..etc it will just get all deps and make them into a repo |
| 13:25.07 | ick | LSorensen: Now, that *is* nice. |
| 13:25.16 | sylvisj | Hmm. |
| 13:25.20 | sweet_kate | ronin: my needs are: read ng |
| 13:25.23 | sylvisj | Can't help ya then, was a hopeful idea :P |
| 13:25.24 | sweet_kate | and stop |
| 13:25.27 | ick | LSorensen: Still the nvidia drivers seem to use less CPU. |
| 13:25.29 | LSorensen | ick: and other than that the alsa driver for nvidia has worked perfectly for me. the forcedeth driver works for networking, etc |
| 13:25.30 | nvz_ | sylvisj: heh |
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| 13:25.34 | ronin | sweet_kate: just a bit vague there |
| 13:25.34 | LSorensen | ick: maybe. |
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| 13:25.39 | jm_ | LSorensen: it wasn't for me, but perhaps one needs newer userland too |
| 13:25.41 | ick | LSorensen: some games run faster with them. |
| 13:25.55 | sweet_kate | ronin: you say?... evolution thunderbird?? |
| 13:25.58 | sweet_kate | which one |
| 13:25.59 | sweet_kate | ? |
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| 13:26.16 | ronin | sweet_kate: i suggest trying several till you find what you like |
| 13:26.43 | sweet_kate | ok |
| 13:26.47 | sweet_kate | the most light? |
| 13:26.49 | jm_ | nvz: debian-cd can be used for creating your own CD-s |
| 13:26.53 | sweet_kate | the lightest? |
| 13:26.55 | sweet_kate | ronin: |
| 13:26.56 | sweet_kate | ? |
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| 13:27.08 | sniperyyd | how can i see if i had errors at a make? it is something echo $... someone help me? |
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| 13:27.12 | jm_ | !tell sweet_kate -about enter |
| 13:27.19 | ronin | sweet_kate: news: slrn mail: sylpheed or sylpheed-claws if you want x |
| 13:27.30 | nvz | jm_: hmm. would it help me build a custom one and resolve deps for the packages I want? |
| 13:27.32 | ronin | but like i said its personal choices etc. |
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| 13:28.35 | nvz | jm_: he installed XP he borrowed off someone.. its going to expire cause he has no activation code.. all he really wants to do is put music on his cell phone.. so debian can totally handle ripping, encoding, and copying music.. its just a matter of simply putting all he will need into cd format so I can install it for him, since he doesnt have internet |
| 13:29.30 | sniperyyd | how can i see if i had errors at a make? it is something echo $... someone help me? |
| 13:29.34 | ick | LSorensen: The interface does not come up after a reboot. |
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| 13:29.54 | ick | LSorensen: It seems that the eth0 is not tied to the same device every time. |
| 13:30.09 | fatal___ | sniperyyd: echo $? |
| 13:30.15 | ick | LSorensen: I read about it in the Debian Reference, but I didn't understand it good enough. |
| 13:30.17 | jm_ | nvz: yeah, you can specify your own list of packages |
| 13:30.18 | sniperyyd | fatal___: thnx |
| 13:30.21 | sweet_kate | is slypheed also a ng reader? |
| 13:30.23 | sweet_kate | ronin: |
| 13:30.24 | sweet_kate | ? |
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| 13:30.59 | nvz | jm_: would that make me a whole install cd? cause that would be nice I can just let him keep that.. but a plain repo cd would work too, cause I have netinstalls burned already I can install from. |
| 13:31.12 | fatal___ | sniperyyd: you might want to build with "make 1> output.txt 2> errors.txt" |
| 13:31.14 | ick | I'd like to be able to boot my computer, and have networking work always, and not with some small probability. |
| 13:31.38 | sniperyyd | fatal___: nopes. |
| 13:31.45 | jm_ | nvz: yeah, this is used for making official Debian CD-s AFAIK (well it certainly was for Woody) |
| 13:31.51 | sweet_kate | is slypheed also a ng reader? |
| 13:32.23 | nvz | jm_: cool as long as I can specify the packages I _know_ he will be using and it will resolve the deps.. thats perfect. |
| 13:33.29 | ronin | sweet_kate: www.google.com |
| 13:33.30 | ick | Can anyone explain to me how I can configure the network such that the computer has a static ip-address and uses udev, and always come up? |
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| 13:33.33 | nvz | jm_: I'm glad they changed the name from "Yacs" heh |
| 13:33.39 | jm_ | nvz: heh |
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| 13:33.55 | jm_ | ick: how is this related to udev? |
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| 13:34.17 | tralala | sweet_kate: according to its homepage it is: http://sylpheed.good-day.net/en/features.html |
| 13:34.27 | Black^Flys | gfgf |
| 13:34.28 | ub1 | can anyone recommend a good podcast (player) package for debian? |
| 13:34.28 | myren | oh FUCK ME. I cleaned up 200 megs of packages, did all sorts of shit, then aptitude FUCKING CRASHED! |
| 13:34.31 | nvz | ick: do you have more than one network card? |
| 13:34.33 | myren | that never god damned happens! |
| 13:34.37 | ick | nvz: yes |
| 13:34.46 | nvz | ick: both using the same driver? |
| 13:34.50 | ick | nvz: no |
| 13:35.02 | jm_ | you can use nameif |
| 13:35.03 | nvz | ick: the order in which they are loaded will determine the interface name |
| 13:35.08 | myren | @#$@#$@#$ |
| 13:35.17 | tralala | myren: you only have to worry if you don't have a backup |
| 13:35.18 | Black^Flys | ping me! |
| 13:35.21 | nvz | ick: but you can do what jm said and name them based on hardware address |
| 13:35.31 | tralala | !ping Black^Flys |
| 13:35.36 | vin` | tralala: do you? |
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| 13:36.05 | myren | how do i backup my package state? |
| 13:36.09 | nvz | ick: if they use separate drivers, simply loading the other driver first, will usually make it the first card |
| 13:36.19 | myren | its just a pain in the ass painfully reconstructing a good two hours of manual package management |
| 13:36.20 | tralala | myren: it's in /var/ |
| 13:36.25 | sep | is firefox 1.5 noticably less resource hungry then 1.0.4 ? |
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| 13:36.40 | stagger | Is anybody here using limewire? I have a little problem with that app. It can't detect java on my system, but new packages with jre are installed. How can I tell limewire where to look for java? |
| 13:36.44 | myren | i thought running aptitude again would load whatever backup state there was |
| 13:37.09 | nvz | stagger: how did you install java? |
| 13:37.13 | ick | jm_: I can understand that it's possible for a program to distinguish, but I do not know *how* exactly. |
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| 13:37.25 | tralala | vin`: mostly yes |
| 13:37.31 | ick | jm_: And I also don't know how I can bring up the interface in this state. |
| 13:37.36 | vin` | sep: how resource hungry is 1.0.4? |
| 13:37.41 | ick | jm_: Since I don't have the nameif package. |
| 13:37.44 | stagger | nvz I installed deb package, v. 1.5 |
| 13:37.52 | ick | jm_: (on the computer where the network is not working) |
| 13:37.55 | nvz | stagger: debian doesnt package java |
| 13:37.58 | jm_ | ick: nameif is not a package, it's a tool - you can use ifup like for any interfaces |
| 13:38.07 | vin` | tralala: so you backup all of /var eh? ;) |
| 13:38.12 | stagger | nvz I know, I was unofficial package |
| 13:38.23 | tralala | vin`: well, not really :) |
| 13:38.24 | nvz | stagger: you are obviously using an unofficial package that was built wrong |
| 13:38.25 | nvz | stagger: make your own |
| 13:38.38 | tralala | vin`: but on the other hand I don't joke around with var |
| 13:38.59 | nvz | stagger: java-package is a debian package that facilitates turning j2re.bin files into .deb files |
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| 13:39.08 | sep | vin`, a simple newspage with a few flash ad's after finished loading firefox-bin is at ~20% cpu. |
| 13:39.12 | stagger | nvz Do I have do use the installer from sun? |
| 13:39.12 | ick | jm_: Oh, ok. Do you have an example of how to use it |
| 13:39.21 | vin` | sep: 20% of what? |
| 13:39.26 | nvz | stagger: it would be a good idea, since they are the ones who make java |
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| 13:39.44 | nicenk | hi, i am using debian/mysql/php/apache running web applications. Everything was going OK, until I upgraded some libraries. Now I am getting DB Error: Extension not found. Any help? |
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| 13:39.50 | sep | vin`, cpu from top |
| 13:39.55 | stagger | but java in other apps is ok |
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| 13:40.11 | jm_ | ick: http://www.science.uva.nl/research/air/wiki/LogicalInterfaceNames |
| 13:40.15 | nvz | stagger: either way this is off-topic here. debian doesnt package java or limewire |
| 13:40.33 | stagger | ok, I understand, thenks |
| 13:40.54 | nvz | stagger: there are packages in debian that do not use java that do the same thing as limewire |
| 13:40.58 | vin` | sep: ok, name a test newspage. |
| 13:41.04 | sep | vin`, www.vg.no |
| 13:41.17 | epsilon | I want to umount a partition, but I get the error "device is busy". How can I find out which process is blocking? |
| 13:41.19 | myren | tralala: how do i make aptitude use one of the other package states in /var/lib/aptitudE? aptitude -S and i get aptitude in mangled japanese |
| 13:41.28 | nvz | stagger: gift connects to gnutella just like limewire, and also has working plugins for OpenFT, FastTrack, and Ares that can all be used simultaniously with the Gnutella one |
| 13:41.33 | stagger | nvz but it is said that limewire is the fastest one |
| 13:41.42 | nvz | stagger: haha! java, and fast? |
| 13:41.45 | nvz | please |
| 13:41.55 | nvz | stagger: its the same network, different client |
| 13:42.01 | jpinto | Hello, i'm trying to make a debian package, and i'm coding the file "preinst" in perl. Is it possible to "include (use or require)" an outside file? |
| 13:42.05 | tralala | myren: I'm affraid I don't know |
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| 13:42.24 | jm_ | ick: simply calling it in pre-up should do |
| 13:42.25 | nicenk | anyone that could help with my PEAR installation? |
| 13:42.44 | myren | great, so i have a 1.7 meg list of packages aptitude spat out before it crashed |
| 13:42.45 | nvz | stagger: only the OpenFT plugin is available in debian, but Ares, Gnutella, and FastTrack are all unofficially available for gift, and there are a slew of client frontends for windows and linux |
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| 13:43.01 | myren | FUCK FUCK FUCK. :/ I shaved 200 megs in old packages! |
| 13:43.07 | nvz | stagger: giFTcurs, giftoxic, apollon, gift-win32..etc |
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| 13:43.22 | stagger | nvz ok, I will try this one |
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| 13:43.40 | nvz | stagger: apollon is the kde frontend to gift.. its pretty simple to use.. I prefer the console text-based giFTcurs myself |
| 13:43.45 | tralala | myren: I'm just wondering how did you manage to crash it so badly? |
| 13:43.48 | ick | jm_: and then in /etc/network/interfaces I can put just the configuration I want(and treat everything as being constant), right? |
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| 13:44.31 | jm_ | ick: yup, that's the idea |
| 13:44.42 | nvz | stagger: packages for fully functional network plugins are libopenft-gift (in debian) and libares-gift, libgnutella-gift, libfasttrack-gift (all not in debian check apt-get.org or google for debian packages of them) |
| 13:44.55 | myren | I didnt crash it badly, it just did some kind of segfault |
| 13:44.57 | stagger | nvz May i ask you one more question? Is it true that mldonkey suports fasttrack? I haven't found it in my package :-( |
| 13:45.12 | myren | its not like anything mangled, it just forgot the 2 hours of work i put into updating my packages |
| 13:45.24 | nvz | stagger: no idea, I tried riding the donkey once, but it refused to go anywhere |
| 13:45.29 | ick | jm_: Ok, so I create a simple script in that subdir which calls for example ifrename? |
| 13:45.31 | nvz | stagger: after I tried gift, I never looke back. |
| 13:45.47 | ick | jm_: (after I configured ifrename) |
| 13:45.59 | stagger | nvz ok, thanks |
| 13:46.03 | nvz | stagger: I can run one giftd connected to 4 completly different networks and connect to it and d/l files from any client windows or linux in my house |
| 13:46.31 | jm_ | ick: ifrename and nameif are two different things, but yes, that's how it should be done |
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| 13:46.57 | ick | jm_: Yes, I know they are different things, but ifrename seems simpler. |
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| 13:47.30 | tralala | myren: it has never crashed on me. Anyhow if you have the downloaded packages you will be able to install them again easily. |
| 13:47.40 | vin` | sep: roughly 11% here, on a p4 2.66 512MB ram |
| 13:47.54 | nvz | I am tempted to install a script that automatically shows bin/ files of packages after I install them.. heh I just installed a package and I have no idea what the program is called |
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| 13:48.27 | myren | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 13:48.28 | myren | zsh: 8203 segmentation fault |
| 13:48.30 | sep | vin`, this is a crusoe 1Ghz with 660 bogomips |
| 13:48.34 | sep | 256 Ram |
| 13:48.34 | JohnGH | What is a good program to replace pornview for doing image slideshows? |
| 13:48.45 | sep | dificult to compare |
| 13:48.47 | nvz | ahh! there are no bin files :( |
| 13:48.57 | tralala | myren: either you have done something really, really bad to your software or you have hardware problems |
| 13:49.00 | myren | as soon as tell aptitute to start actually doing anything it fucking crashes and forgets everything |
| 13:49.08 | stagger | nvz do you know any good ui for gift written in gtk2? |
| 13:49.26 | myren | besides not dist-upgrade int he past 5 months, i havnet done anything |
| 13:49.30 | tralala | myren: I would suggest a memtest as a first option |
| 13:49.48 | myren | memtested fine 3 months ago |
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| 13:50.06 | tralala | is that sid? |
| 13:50.34 | ick | jm_: I think a ethernet over firewire device is also listed. But this has a different naming scheme(it's longer). Does this matter? |
| 13:50.36 | myren | mostly sarge, some sid in there too |
| 13:50.41 | nvz | stagger: nope. giftoxic was written in gtk2 but I wouldnt call it good. I would sooner use the giFTcurs curses dialog based one, or Apollon KDE/QT one |
| 13:50.44 | ick | *an |
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| 13:51.01 | gig | I'm trying to download debian, and I'm looking for a place that describes the versions, and what each version is named... 3.1_r0a the woody release? |
| 13:51.04 | jm_ | ick: naah |
| 13:51.17 | nvz | gig: thats Sarge current stable release |
| 13:51.26 | ick | jm_: ok, then I will just add it. |
| 13:51.26 | dsl_ | I'd like some help just to get started, did a Sarge (kernel 2.6) netinst, no desktop environment, nothing, 'cause I have an ATI radeon X600. Tried with desktop environment, was really slow and all foggy. I'd like to install kde. On 9 distros, only Kanotix and Knoppix went good, so I thought maybe I should upgrade and then install kde. wouldnt' want to install all of kde, only to find that X isn't working. Mind helping? |
| 13:51.28 | tralala | myren: if you are saying you haven't screwed the software it must be a hardware problem |
| 13:51.34 | myren | i'm apt-get upgrading apt and aptitude. you and half the internet will be hearing my unfortuante rage if this doesnt fix shit. i've never had problems with aptitude before, but man, what miserable timing for aptitude to fuck up. |
| 13:51.46 | nvz | gig: woody was 3.0, its now obsolete, sarge is 3.1 and etch has not been released its the current testing distro |
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| 13:52.21 | myren | no, i blame it squarely on sid and osme fucked up release. i've been running this hardware for four years now almost error free. there was a known issue with xfree and my crusoe's code morphing, but that got cleared up |
| 13:52.32 | ems | Hi |
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| 13:52.46 | gig | Which version number is stable, and what is is codenamed? |
| 13:52.47 | myren | hardware issues just arent that latent |
| 13:52.49 | vin` | sep: 5259.26 BogoMIPS, for Bogocomparison. |
| 13:52.51 | nvz | ems: not yet, but I am working on it |
| 13:53.22 | dsl_ | gig: Sarge |
| 13:53.29 | ems | I need to report a debian developer |
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| 13:53.34 | nvz | gig: every version from 1.0-3.1 is stable, bo, rex, buzz, slink, potato, woody, sarge |
| 13:53.35 | ems | would this be the right channel? |
| 13:53.36 | ronin | report a dev? |
| 13:53.48 | nvz | gig: Sarge is current, the rest are obsolete |
| 13:54.12 | nvz | ems: no |
| 13:54.13 | ems | ronin: yea, one of them has been spamming a package |
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| 13:54.28 | ronin | ems: no its not the right place but spamming a package? |
| 13:54.32 | ems | No one wants spam in a package |
| 13:54.37 | gig | So 3.1_r0a is Sarge, and is current stable version |
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| 13:54.47 | nvz | ems: heh. wtf does "spamming a package" mean? |
| 13:54.55 | ems | Where would be the right channel be? |
| 13:54.58 | ronin | ems: spam in a package in what way? |
| 13:54.59 | nvz | gig: right. |
| 13:55.07 | ems | nvz: added spam to a package. |
| 13:55.19 | ronin | ems: how so? what spam? spamming what? |
| 13:55.20 | tralala | ems: you can file a bug report but you better be sure that it is spam |
| 13:55.22 | Dulan | ems: Was a Debian dev running around IRC spamming, "USE MAH LEET <insert package here>" or something? :P |
| 13:55.25 | nvz | ems: there is no such channel. and spam as far as I know is unsolicited email, and cannot be in a package |
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| 13:56.11 | nvz | ems: I protest that email put into a package is no longer email, and thus cannot be spam, becuase you d/l and installed it, you didnt have it sent via email |
| 13:56.22 | threat | ? |
| 13:56.37 | nvz | !yinzersmite threat |
| 13:56.43 | str0_ | hallo |
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| 13:56.51 | nvz | Stillers are gowen to da superbowl btw. |
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| 13:56.59 | ems | nvz: the package comes with a patch when you middle click to open the developers web hosting site |
| 13:57.00 | nvz | but dont get all ot on that :P |
| 13:57.05 | threat | ? |
| 13:57.13 | threat | ? |
| 13:57.56 | tralala | ems: if you feel this is a bug and it is bad you can file a bug report. Just consider how this bug report will look in the other's eyes. |
| 13:57.57 | nvz | ems: no idea. that doesnt even make sense to me. but if you have a problem with the package you probably need to file a bug on the BTS |
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| 13:58.37 | ems | No channel? |
| 13:58.44 | nvz | threat: this isnt ozzfest, ffs its #debian |
| 13:58.46 | ems | I need to report the developer |
| 13:58.50 | tralala | ems: you don't want to file a bug report like the apt supercow one |
| 13:59.05 | nvz | ems: no there is no channel where you report developers. this is a user support channel. |
| 13:59.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you around? |
| 13:59.21 | ems | Who should I email? |
| 13:59.29 | ems | Any mailing lists |
| 13:59.47 | nvz | I dont know but someone who's a devel might know I am trying to see who's here right now |
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| 13:59.56 | threat | nvz, !!!!!! |
| 13:59.58 | threat | nvz, EAD! |
| 14:00.04 | ems | The issue is a *bit* bigger than bug |
| 14:00.05 | jm_ | a few years ago I could tell you where people that care live, but now I can't |
| 14:00.14 | tralala | ems: man bugreport |
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| 14:00.27 | ems | the developer should be revoke his developer rights |
| 14:00.29 | Dulan | ems: try debian-chinese@lists.debian.org |
| 14:00.33 | ronin | ems: can you explain it to us then, as your first one made no sense at all |
| 14:00.35 | ems | haha |
| 14:00.42 | dsl_ | Anybody wants to help with that x problem? |
| 14:00.43 | nvz | ems: heh, sounds like you are taking it way too personal |
| 14:01.13 | ems | ronin: the package contains a hot button that when pushed open the developer's personal web hosting site |
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| 14:01.20 | ft | ems: what package is it? |
| 14:01.34 | azeem | ems: what package, first off? |
| 14:01.41 | azeem | ems: you should really file a bug first |
| 14:01.44 | tralala | ems: is he a competitor of yours? |
| 14:01.45 | ems | ok |
| 14:02.08 | ems | So there is no management that I should be reporting this to? |
| 14:02.10 | nvz | I dont see any devels that I know around.. and I am not in any other channels that would likely have dds |
| 14:02.13 | Dulan | ems: What's the big deal about a developer putting credit + a link into his software? Does it link to X-rated stuff or something? :P |
| 14:02.18 | ronin | ems: what package anyhow? |
| 14:02.30 | nvz | ems: we are by and large debian users, here to support other users with general use |
| 14:02.32 | azeem | ems: we are not going to cooperate further with you unless you are more specific |
| 14:02.42 | nvz | azeem: agreed |
| 14:03.08 | JohnGH | What's a good program for viewing photos off my digital camera? |
| 14:03.09 | ronin | Dulan: and if it does i want to know the package so i can get it ;) |
| 14:03.09 | azeem | ems: if there is a valid concern, it will get addressed |
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| 14:03.45 | ems | Dulan: more like each time you push a *button* |
| 14:03.58 | ems | it isn't a credit link |
| 14:03.59 | nvz | azeem: sounds like a windows refugee having flashbacks to the microsoft war of terror |
| 14:04.01 | tralala | ems: and the package name is? |
| 14:04.03 | ronin | ems: what package? |
| 14:04.05 | Dulan | ems: So, you are complaining that you found a program that generates X-rated content for you when you push a button? Okay, I HAVE to get this package now - what is it? |
| 14:04.09 | nvz | azeem: and then lashing out at DDs |
| 14:04.42 | JohnGH | ems: what is your aim? Getting the package fixed? or getting the responsible developer's arse kicked? |
| 14:04.51 | ems | both |
| 14:04.54 | nvz | heh |
| 14:05.01 | nvz | we can only help you with the former |
| 14:05.03 | tralala | ems: are you just another troll? |
| 14:05.05 | ems | I am going through the source |
| 14:05.08 | nvz | ronin: smell a troll? |
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| 14:05.16 | azeem | ems: what package? |
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| 14:05.19 | ronin | nvz: starting to think so |
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| 14:05.32 | Dulan | ems: What is the damn package name alerady? I'm curious now. |
| 14:05.35 | JohnGH | ems: is it a URL that's pointed to from the application? |
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| 14:05.54 | nvz | ronin: thats why I asked if Don was around.. either way he'd fix this.. he would know who to talk to about the package, and he could shut him up :P |
| 14:06.04 | ems | azeem: a mozilla *related* one still trying to find which one is causing this... let me download and grep the package... wait a sec |
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| 14:06.13 | azeem | ems: eh |
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| 14:06.25 | Dulan | ...if it's mozilla, you are in the wrong channel, aren't you? |
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| 14:06.48 | ems | Debian mozilla related package |
| 14:06.49 | nvz | so you want to beat up a devel and have his privlages revoked and you dont even know who it is. |
| 14:06.54 | ems | Might only be the mirror |
| 14:07.04 | ems | I need to do some more research |
| 14:07.11 | Dulan | What is the package name? |
| 14:07.11 | ick | jm_: It does matter. |
| 14:07.15 | azeem | ems: then do your research and come back, pelase |
| 14:07.16 | azeem | please |
| 14:07.24 | ronin | Dulan: good luck finding that our from them |
| 14:07.24 | ems | nvz: No, I want to know what to do when I find the info |
| 14:07.28 | azeem | ems: but do not disturb this channel with unfounded accusations |
| 14:07.38 | ick | jm_: It get a syntax error when I copy the ifconfig output for the firewire device. |
| 14:07.50 | azeem | ems: you should tell us the package name, obviously |
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| 14:07.56 | nvz | ems: well if its Marco d'Itri, dont bother.. we already know he's an idiot |
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| 14:08.06 | azeem | nvz: uhm |
| 14:08.13 | ems | Ok lets keep this simple |
| 14:08.14 | Dulan | ronin: Meh, I know he's a troll. ;p Look back at my X-rated rant ;) |
| 14:08.20 | jm_ | ick: well so remove it if if you don't need it |
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| 14:08.33 | ronin | Dulan: i know, i stil want the package though, can never have too much porn |
| 14:08.47 | dsl_ | another channel where to ask? you look quite busy but I spent 2-3 weeks trying to get any distro to work (tried 8). Quite hard to begin like that... shouldn't be so long to help me get started. |
| 14:08.48 | Dulan | ronin: Good point, ems: What's this x-rated package already? |
| 14:08.51 | JohnGH | ems: I wouldn't get your knickers in a twise about it if it's pointing at a URL. The web is not static. I reported this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=226252 because the old twig URL which was linked in the DEBIAN/control had lapsed and been taken over by a porn site - now it's lapsed again and has been taken over by an advertising site - there was a link to porn in the package, but it was not done maliciously. |
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| 14:09.21 | ick | jm_: sure, I renamed everything to "zero", "one", etc. to avoid clashes. |
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| 14:09.29 | ems | Is there any offical place to bring such things up? Or should I just come back here in 10min? |
| 14:09.31 | nvz | JohnGH: great point :) |
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| 14:09.35 | azeem | ems: come back here |
| 14:09.43 | ems | Thank you |
| 14:09.45 | nvz | JohnGH: first useful piece of info in that whole mess. |
| 14:09.46 | JohnGH | ronin++ |
| 14:09.50 | ronin | so ems ever going to tell us te package? |
| 14:09.52 | avar | are there no security.debian.org updates for sid |
| 14:09.58 | nvz | !JohnGH++ |
| 14:09.59 | azeem | avar: no |
| 14:10.05 | Dulan | ronin: I'll bet you money he doesn't ;) |
| 14:10.10 | tralala | ems: There is nothing more official than a bug report |
| 14:10.11 | nvz | s/I'll/test |
| 14:10.20 | nvz | cool someone fixed apt |
| 14:10.21 | azeem | ok, can we drop this topic until ems has further evidence, please |
| 14:10.22 | azeem | ? |
| 14:10.24 | ems | If I had the power, azeem, I am going to give you a metal for being the most helpful. |
| 14:10.35 | ems | Yes please. |
| 14:10.36 | tralala | ems: if you want to be considered seriously - file a bug |
| 14:10.40 | ronin | well as fun as it was watching someone go off halfcocked im off for coffee |
| 14:10.54 | nvz | heh |
| 14:11.01 | nvz | I am off to find a loan :P |
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| 14:11.29 | nvz | abrotman: welcome stranger |
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| 14:11.40 | tralala | nvz: just don't ask me - I ain't got no money! ;) |
| 14:11.46 | ems | I will be back soon, once I find out what exactly is cause this. |
| 14:11.56 | cr3 | can someone recommend a calendar program that is friendly for the console? I've looked into palcal and a few other ones, but they all seem halfway there. |
| 14:11.58 | nvz | tralala: yeah well considering you dont know my name or where I live, I probably wouldnt pay you back anyhow :P |
| 14:12.15 | tralala | nvz: ;) |
| 14:12.38 | JohnGH | cr3: do you mean something like sked? (Python, off Source Forge) |
| 14:12.41 | tralala | cr3: cal? |
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| 14:12.45 | nvz | I should probably ask my dad first anyhow before I call a business |
| 14:12.48 | jm_ | cr3: or remind |
| 14:13.02 | nvz | I remembered I owe him $10 we could just make it an even $30 |
| 14:13.08 | abrotman | nvz: you're still hiding from #-ot ? |
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| 14:13.15 | JohnGH | cr3: or do you just need a basic calendar like cal? |
| 14:13.17 | nvz | abrotman: power went out, I never came back. |
| 14:13.18 | cr3 | tralala: I need somekind of scheduler though which can remind me of upcoming events. |
| 14:13.24 | abrotman | nvz: bastard! |
| 14:13.36 | nvz | abrotman: I didnt want to go there in the first place it was your idea. |
| 14:13.39 | cr3 | JohnGH: I need a scheduler, so I'm looking into your recommendation :) |
| 14:13.40 | avar | deb http://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/ sid main <- is there anything wrong with this line, in sources.list |
| 14:13.51 | azeem | cr3: there is remind(1) |
| 14:14.22 | azeem | avar: do you have any problems? |
| 14:14.25 | nvz | abrotman: at least in here, there is a topic I can try to be on.. in there I try hard to make shit up cause nobody is saying _anything_ then they get all pissy and ignore me.. no point in being in a channel with a bunch of people who are ignoring me. only you and phated dont have me on ignore. |
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| 14:14.35 | abrotman | nvz: join again! |
| 14:14.37 | nvz | abrotman: feels like I am chatting in Yahoo! Chat |
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| 14:14.44 | cr3 | jm_ and azeem: I'm looking into remind now, I find the concept of a simply text file with reminder lines very appealing. do you both use it frequently? |
| 14:14.53 | avar | azeem: yes, I think my mirror is broken |
| 14:14.57 | nvz | abrotman: its pointless. nobody talks, and everyone ignores me. |
| 14:14.58 | jm_ | cr3: I use tkremind |
| 14:14.58 | JohnGH | cr3: I'm not recommending it - I looked at it and decided I didn't like it personally - but maybe it might suit you. |
| 14:15.04 | abrotman | nvz: that's not true! |
| 14:15.09 | azeem | cr3: no, but some guy here uses it to remind us of seminar dates |
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| 14:15.40 | nvz | abrotman: I must just be imagining greycat, paulswm, directhex..etc all ignroing me then |
| 14:15.54 | avar | azeem: the same line works if I use .no. instead of .is. |
| 14:15.55 | abrotman | nvz: some people are at work :) |
| 14:16.02 | nvz | abrotman: some people have nvz on ignore :P |
| 14:16.05 | azeem | avar: well, could be then |
| 14:16.07 | avar | i.e. I can do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | nvz: no .. afaik .. noone does |
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| 14:16.31 | abrotman | nvz: join! .. bring cake! |
| 14:16.41 | nvz | abrotman: then you dont know very far.. I would get better sources of information :P |
| 14:16.42 | Dulan | nvz: I don't have you on ignore! ;p |
| 14:17.04 | nvz | abrotman: greycat not only plonked me he blurted random insults as well |
| 14:17.05 | cr3 | JohnGH: I'm looking at sked now and the interface looks nice. however, would you happen to know if there is a query interface for the command line. for example: return all the events for the next 5 days and return to stdout, so that I can pipe to mail |
| 14:17.15 | ick | jm_: Ok, when I now do ifup two, I get a connection, but this does not happen automatically. |
| 14:17.45 | jm_ | ick: keyword being "auto" |
| 14:17.48 | azeem | avar: I can't see anything wrong on a quick glance |
| 14:17.53 | abrotman | nvz: fine .. whatever .. i'm not arguing with a yinzer |
| 14:17.54 | ick | jm_: ok. |
| 14:17.58 | nvz | abrotman: heh. |
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| 14:18.07 | nvz | abrotman: see what I mean. |
| 14:18.09 | jm_ | ick: i.e. man interfaces |
| 14:18.21 | Dulan | nvz: How does one 'plonk' you? ;p |
| 14:18.22 | abrotman | see .. now i have to work! .. damn you .. you wasted all my time arguing with you about joining #-ot |
| 14:18.26 | JohnGH | cr3: don't know sorry |
| 14:18.32 | nvz | abrotman: btw, Stillers are gowen to da super bowl |
| 14:18.39 | nvz | Dulan: /msg dpkg plonk |
| 14:18.42 | JohnGH | Dulan: /ignore nvz |
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| 14:18.54 | JohnGH | ;) |
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| 14:19.09 | ick | jm_: I have seen that before, but I wasn't sure. |
| 14:19.22 | Dulan | nvz: He called you cheap wine? :P |
| 14:19.25 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, go cry about it with greg |
| 14:19.32 | nvz | cheap wine?! |
| 14:19.40 | nvz | !plonk |
| 14:19.41 | dpkg | [plonk] the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 14:19.42 | avar | azeem: Im using debian powerpc, when I use that line in sources.list I can do apt-get update but apt-get dist-upgrade it fails to fetch packages |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | nvz: you bastard!~ |
| 14:19.43 | JohnGH | And a 3 day growth |
| 14:19.45 | ick | Now, I reboot every time to test the network. I suppose I could do the same if I lower the runlevel? |
| 14:19.52 | azeem | avar: I see |
| 14:19.55 | avar | azeem: The same line works with the .no. mirror |
| 14:20.06 | azeem | avar: please paste the errors on a pastebin, if you can still reproduce them |
| 14:20.33 | avar | azeem: Cant atm, still setting up the system |
| 14:20.47 | elephantMan | Is there a way to repair this : FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 14:20.48 | azeem | ick: you can just ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 |
| 14:20.55 | elephantMan | When 'cfdisk /dev/sda' |
| 14:21.12 | ick | azeem: but then I wouldn't know whether it worked *automatically* on boot. |
| 14:21.24 | ick | azeem: that's what I wanted to know. |
| 14:21.31 | jm_ | ick: ifdown -a , ifup -a |
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| 14:21.37 | azeem | ick: then you will have to reboot I guess |
| 14:21.47 | abrotman | maybe azeem will come to -ot! |
| 14:22.06 | Dulan | What's the big dael about #-ot? |
| 14:22.09 | cr3 | JohnGH: I find it strange that remind created its own scheduling language whereas ical was already a known standard. I don't quite understand the motivation. |
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| 14:22.17 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:22.20 | dasunt | I want to split a directory into x directories of roughly 4GB size? Suggestions? |
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| 14:22.31 | azeem | abrotman: I'm notorious for being on too many chans on freenode so I cannot join more. Is #debian-offtopic any good these days? |
| 14:22.38 | abrotman | dhuv: your town smells :) |
| 14:22.45 | JohnGH | cr3: there were a few things about it I wasn't keen on - also note the warning that the file format is liable to change :| |
| 14:22.46 | abrotman | azeem: depends on the time of day |
| 14:22.50 | azeem | abrotman: I prefer to send people who *are* off-topic over there, though :) |
| 14:22.52 | ick | jm_: Ok, so ifup -a will only bring up the interfaces with the keyword auto? |
| 14:23.00 | azeem | abrotman: ah, ok |
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| 14:23.06 | jm_ | ick: read man ifup |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | azeem: yes .. but some days it's nonstop .. |
| 14:23.21 | dhuv | I have "deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main" and "deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing non-free" in my /etc/apt/sources.list and when I do an "apt-get update" it says W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: 010908312D230C5F |
| 14:23.22 | cr3 | JohnGH: what other points did you not like? |
| 14:23.28 | dhuv | does anybody know how I can fix this? |
| 14:23.28 | nvz | nonstop nvz bashing.. heh |
| 14:23.32 | JohnGH | dasunt: is it a few big files, or lots and lots of little ones? |
| 14:23.49 | JohnGH | nvz: non-stop nvz whinging more like! |
| 14:23.50 | ick | jm_: ok, that's a yes. Thank you for all your help. |
| 14:23.52 | dhuv | abrotman: which town is that? |
| 14:23.58 | nvz | JohnGH: haha.. |
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| 14:24.13 | JohnGH | dhuv: read the topic please |
| 14:24.22 | ronin | dhuv: /topic |
| 14:24.42 | nvz | JohnGH: first of all you werent in there.. and second I should be able to say what I want whining or not.. they are all sitting around doing _nothing_ in a channel with NO TOPIC. |
| 14:24.52 | dhuv | OK, sorry |
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| 14:25.04 | JohnGH | nvz: it's OK mate, I feel sorry for you |
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| 14:25.37 | leira | have anyone used seyon with lrzsz? |
| 14:25.47 | azeem | nvz: I am in plenty of channels where nothing is spoken for hours or even days |
| 14:25.54 | leira | i 've googled around, and found nothing |
| 14:26.00 | nvz | JohnGH: heh. dont feel sorry for me.. I am doing more interesting things than sitting in a channel not speaking to people who think I am a fool :P |
| 14:26.38 | JohnGH | cr3: I didn't review it for work - I just checked it out for me - and I didn't get a good feeling about it - but I'm biased, if it was writting in perl and stored in XML I would have cut it more slack :-) |
| 14:27.02 | nvz | azeem: well thats why you cant join any more channels, cause you idle in ones with nothing being said.. that sounds stupid to me.. but if you are active in a community like a developer or something, you may want to be there just to stay informed |
| 14:27.05 | JohnGH | s/writting/written/ ... my english amases me some days! |
| 14:27.22 | bkankur | while compiling the kernel 2.6.8 i got the following error "ake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8' |
| 14:27.23 | bkankur | make[2]: `arch/i386/kernel/asm-offsets.s' is up to date. CC [M] fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.o fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.c:3075:47: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 14:27.23 | bkankur | fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.c:2925: warning: `xlog_recover_process_data' defined but not used fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.c:3014: warning: `xlog_recover_process_efi' defined but not used |
| 14:27.23 | bkankur | fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.c:3064:1: unterminated #if make[3]: *** [fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [fs/xfs] Error 2 make[1]: *** [fs] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8' make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2" |
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| 14:27.51 | JohnGH | thanks debhelper :) |
| 14:28.01 | nvz | azeem: I dont remember offhand which channel but they had a damn bot that spammed the channel every time someone modified a changelog or uploaded to cvs..etc |
| 14:28.14 | azeem | yeah, those are frequet |
| 14:28.17 | stagger | Anybody knows how to acces the fasttrack network under debian? I was told that the support for fasttrack is not available on my distro because it is not gpl :-(. How can I make may mldonkey to acces fasttrack? Are there any applications or plugins to do that? |
| 14:28.18 | azeem | frequent, even |
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| 14:28.56 | nvz | azeem: I dont like those kinds of bots.. but I guess its because I am not an active developer |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | dhuv: newark .. so says your hostmask |
| 14:29.24 | azeem | nvz: well, it is easy to ignore them, because usually people do not talk back to them |
| 14:29.30 | JohnGH | stagger: what for? so you can download warez and stolen filez? |
| 14:29.47 | nvz | azeem: yeah I havent ignored anyone on IRC yet |
| 14:29.50 | stagger | I want to download music... |
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| 14:30.00 | hatake_kakashi | heh |
| 14:30.08 | bkankur | while compiling the linux kernel 2.6.8 I got following error http://pastebin.com/520589 |
| 14:30.13 | stagger | and it is said that fasttrack is good for music, wright? |
| 14:30.15 | pipeline | stagger: mldonkey is not for fasttrack. |
| 14:30.24 | JohnGH | stagger: do you know whether the music on that network is copyright or not? |
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| 14:30.28 | pipeline | stagger: The only fasttrack client is "gift" |
| 14:30.31 | toresbe | dsl_: *waves* |
| 14:30.34 | toresbe | pipeline: *waves*! |
| 14:30.35 | pipeline | JohnGH: Does he care? Does he live somewhere where it even matters? |
| 14:30.43 | toresbe | IRC, 'tis a small world. |
| 14:30.45 | pipeline | toresbe: Bah humbug. It's 9:30 am here :P |
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| 14:30.54 | pipeline | toresbe: Also, you invited me to #classiccmp from here :P |
| 14:30.56 | Dulan | dsl_: What's the exact error you get? "SYSTEM DISK FAILURe..." or a problem reading the disk? |
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| 14:31.02 | toresbe | pipeline: Hah, did I? |
| 14:31.09 | JohnGH | pipeline: stealing is stealing - we may as well be using non-free software |
| 14:31.10 | pipeline | toresbe: yea, verily |
| 14:31.17 | toresbe | Verily. |
| 14:31.23 | pipeline | JohnGH: Hey: Guess what: I don't care about that, either. |
| 14:31.48 | pipeline | JohnGH: Your values aren't universal. Believe it or not, we do have non-U.S., non-european users here. :P |
| 14:31.50 | JohnGH | pipeline: I can tell :) |
| 14:31.57 | stagger | pipeline gift? I have just installed that app... but I don't see fasttrack support... Is it true that support for this network is not included in all debian packages? |
| 14:32.03 | GeenPorem | JohnGH, where i live, downloading music is legal :P |
| 14:32.06 | dhuv | abrotman: :) close but not really |
| 14:32.08 | JohnGH | pipeline: thank you for pointing that out Mr American |
| 14:32.11 | Guerin | !fasttrack |
| 14:32.12 | dpkg | The FastTrack plugin isn't available in debian. Sid debs are available at http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/ |
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| 14:32.21 | dhuv | abrotman: but newark does smell |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | dhuv: i did work on chemical row at the new jail there |
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| 14:32.23 | pipeline | stagger: It is not. |
| 14:32.31 | Guerin | fasttrack is on *extremely* shakey legal ground |
| 14:32.41 | dsl_ | toresbe: see, quite busy channel... |
| 14:32.43 | pipeline | Guerin: In the u.s. :P |
| 14:33.00 | JohnGH | GeenPorem: so is smoking Marijuana :-) |
| 14:33.01 | toresbe | dsl_: yeah |
| 14:33.06 | GeenPorem | :) |
| 14:33.07 | toresbe | dsl_: You have been asked what error message you got... |
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| 14:33.26 | Guerin | pipeline: and australia, but your point is valid. |
| 14:33.35 | Dulan | dsl_: What is the error message you have been getting when you boot up? Do you get any BIOS error messages, or does the PC just sit there after the BIOS initilization? |
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| 14:33.57 | dsl_ | Now no more error message, can I send a description of what I did through "sendfile? |
| 14:34.02 | freebse | GeenPorem: Greetings to Holland :) ... besides smoking pot ain't legfal over here, but we don't give a sh'' :) |
| 14:34.13 | bkankur | while compiling the linux kernel 2.6.8 I got following error http://pastebin.com/520589 |
| 14:34.20 | ems | Hey everyone |
| 14:34.21 | GeenPorem | lol, freebse |
| 14:34.23 | JohnGH | GeenPorem: Geen kortetermijnherinnering? |
| 14:34.25 | ems | I'm back |
| 14:34.31 | Guerin | freebse: that much is clear from yopur tpynig |
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| 14:34.46 | ems | It was the firefox package I was using |
| 14:34.47 | freebse | Guerin: lol |
| 14:34.51 | basix | hiya. i am trying to play an AVI file that my friend has given me but the problem is that its not playing in any of the players. I have tried playing it in Xine, Mplayer, VLC... I havent yet rebooted and tried it out in Windbloze. Any ideas how I could verify whether the file is really an AVI? |
| 14:34.59 | Dulan | dsl_: Is your PC just sitting there, after BIOS initilization, doing nothing? |
| 14:34.59 | azeem | ems: which version? |
| 14:35.05 | ems | I notice it didn't come from the normal debian mirror |
| 14:35.05 | azeem | ems: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox |
| 14:35.11 | azeem | ems: aha |
| 14:35.13 | ronin | ems: never mmind azeem beat me to it |
| 14:35.19 | GeenPorem | JohnGH, who said i smoke pot? im just saying that downloading is legal in Holland, except for downloading software |
| 14:35.24 | ems | but one of the extra mirrors I added |
| 14:35.24 | toresbe | dsl_: paste it into pastebin.com if you want to |
| 14:35.37 | pipeline | basix: First off, you're a fucking idiot. Don't ever say "windbloze" again. http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m2nu.png |
| 14:35.38 | azeem | ems: ok, glad to hear that it is not a Debian issue |
| 14:35.40 | JohnGH | GeenPorem: ;) |
| 14:35.55 | pipeline | basix: Secondly, "AVI" is a container format. It may be that you just don't have the codecs to play whatever is inside the container. |
| 14:35.56 | timgoh0 | basix: AVI files are container formats. The problem you have is the codec that the file is encoded. |
| 14:35.58 | dsl_ | No now I've got debian installed did a Sarge (kernel 2.6) netinst, no desktop environment, nothing, 'cause I have an ATI radeon X600. Tried with desktop environment, was really slow and all foggy. |
| 14:36.01 | freebse | GeenPorem: exactly |
| 14:36.05 | azeem | ems: no problem, it is better to be cautious than too lax on these matters |
| 14:36.05 | pipeline | basix: you probably need the win32 codecs package |
| 14:36.07 | JohnGH | ems: that's kinky! |
| 14:36.10 | bkankur | while compiling the linux kernel 2.6.8 I got following error http://pastebin.com/520589 |
| 14:36.10 | timgoh0 | pipeline: Damnit. Beat me to it. :) |
| 14:36.26 | dsl_ | I'd like to install kde. On 9 distros, only Kanotix and Knoppix went good, maybe I should upgrade and then install kde? wouldnt' want to install all of kde, only to find that X isn't working. |
| 14:36.34 | freebse | GeenPorem: I said b.t.w. |
| 14:36.41 | azeem | dsl_: is this a Debian question? |
| 14:36.42 | slept | how can i find out what /dev/unknown15 is ? |
| 14:36.45 | azeem | ah |
| 14:36.47 | JohnGH | bkankur: that's better - thanks for not spamming us this time :) |
| 14:37.02 | azeem | dsl_: what do you mean "slow and all foggy"? |
| 14:37.10 | jm_ | slept: major,minor number |
| 14:37.11 | dsl_ | Well on kde they told me to ask here... |
| 14:37.12 | Dulan | dsl_: What is your question? Is it about X? Debian? Or what distro you should use/ |
| 14:37.14 | basix | pipeline, no...i have the codecs. i am not dumb. i have installed some module which allows VLC to even play WMP9 files :| |
| 14:37.19 | azeem | Dulan: see above |
| 14:37.21 | dsl_ | about x |
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| 14:37.28 | azeem | ems: good idea |
| 14:37.28 | ems | that will make sure I never make that mistake again |
| 14:37.32 | slept | jm_, how do I do that ? |
| 14:37.47 | Dulan | azeem: Meh, damn you. ;p |
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| 14:37.52 | jm_ | slept: ls shows them |
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| 14:38.06 | basix | pipeline, timgoh0, i can play all other AVIs perfectly. just not this one. |
| 14:38.24 | basix | pipeline, timgoh0, i even checked the md5 sum on the file. its ok |
| 14:38.26 | pipeline | basix: well, then, it's probably just horrendously broken. |
| 14:38.29 | timgoh0 | basix: Go back and read what pipeline and me just wrote. |
| 14:38.39 | pipeline | basix: If it weren't an AVI, but if it were some other kind of video, your video players would still work. |
| 14:38.42 | oat | cya all |
| 14:38.44 | Dulan | dsl_: If it's about x, you might want to check www.x.org rather than #Debian |
| 14:38.48 | pipeline | basix: It's still possible that it's an avi containing codecs you don't have. |
| 14:38.50 | oat | thanks for your help everyone! |
| 14:39.04 | dsl_ | ok |
| 14:39.05 | azeem | dsl_: you are being pretty unspecific |
| 14:39.10 | oat | Debian is the best!!! (and so is azeem) |
| 14:39.16 | azeem | word |
| 14:39.24 | JohnGH | basix: are you not listening? avi is a *container* format - the stuff inside doesn't have to be the same format as the other ones - to play an avi you need the right codecs installed - and different avis have different codecs... you've been lucky so far with the other avis you've played because they use codecs that you already have installed. |
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| 14:39.44 | Guerin | avi is the mug |
| 14:39.46 | dsl_ | wasn't so hard just to tell me "go check this"! |
| 14:39.51 | Guerin | xvid is the beer |
| 14:39.55 | dsl_ | thanks |
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| 14:39.57 | Dulan | dsl_: I don't think anyone understood your question ;) |
| 14:40.36 | basix | JohnGH, hmph. My friends using a M$ machine and it plays well for him. I have all the win codecs and I dont think he has extra codecs installed :| |
| 14:40.55 | azeem | basix: where do you have those win codecs? |
| 14:41.06 | Delgul | hi... I am trying to compile the debian kernel sources with make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image, but these kernels do not seem to boot... there is a warning about a cramfs patch during compilation... can anyone point me to a howto that instructs about compiling a initrd kernel with debian? |
| 14:41.09 | JohnGH | basix: oh OK, well then perhaps you should fdisk and reinstall with Winders :) |
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| 14:41.40 | dsl_ | That was my initial question: did a Sarge (kernel 2.6) netinst, no desktop environment, nothing, 'cause I have an ATI radeon X600. Tried with Sarge's netinstall desktop environment, was really slow and all foggy. I'd like to install kde. On 9 distros, only Kanotix and Knoppix went good, maybe I should upgrade and then install kde? wouldnt' want to install all of kde, only to find that X isn't working. |
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| 14:42.09 | azeem | dsl_: you can upgrade to testing, maybe |
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| 14:42.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 14:42.18 | azeem | dsl_: but you still didn't elaborate on "slow and foggy" |
| 14:42.29 | Guerin | basix: my only advice is to use a player which will tell you what codec the thing is encoded with. Then you'll at least know where to look. |
| 14:42.46 | basix | azeem, i think its in /usr/lib/win32 |
| 14:42.47 | dsl_ | That's as much as I know sorry |
| 14:43.01 | azeem | dsl_: ehm |
| 14:43.04 | azeem | dsl_: "foggy" |
| 14:43.07 | azeem | dsl_: WTH does that mean? |
| 14:43.08 | JohnGH | basix: have you tried one of the codec identifier tools? there are programs (I haven't seen one on Linux, but that doesn't mean they're not out there) which look in the AVI and figure out by it's signiture which codec the particular AVI is using, and you can look up on the web where to download that particular codec. |
| 14:43.11 | basix | JohnGH, i wouldn't do that even if my life depended on it :| |
| 14:43.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | i get an error after crashing apt-get :P |
| 14:43.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | download@Server-FS1:~$ apt-get install emacs |
| 14:43.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 14:43.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
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| 14:43.31 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: you need admin privs to apt-get install |
| 14:43.34 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: use sudo |
| 14:43.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | dan, why are those errors never pasted like i want :S |
| 14:43.37 | oat | cya |
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| 14:43.44 | basix | JohnGH, ok i will search for that program |
| 14:43.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | whoeps, wait i get an error later then |
| 14:44.01 | Guerin | mplayer is a great codec identification tool |
| 14:44.05 | JohnGH | basix: I'll have a quick look and see if I can find my bookmarks on the subject |
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| 14:44.10 | Guerin | it even plays most things out of the box |
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| 14:45.04 | Dulan | dsl_: Could it be related to drivers? I steer away from ATI, and Azeem probably knows more than I do, but foggy sounds like a hardware problem. Does the card display fine using Windows or another OS? |
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| 14:45.39 | napoleao | is possible to downgrade from unstable to stable? |
| 14:45.44 | azeem | napoleao: no |
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| 14:46.03 | napoleao | ok thanks azeem I will do a clean install then |
| 14:46.12 | Sander-nl | can someone tell me how to get a list of packages installed and how to remove packages? |
| 14:46.21 | azeem | Sander-nl: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 14:46.29 | azeem | Sander-nl: apt-get remove <package-to-remove> |
| 14:46.33 | dsl_ | it does, but also with Kanotix and knoppix |
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| 14:46.40 | Sander-nl | thanks! |
| 14:46.59 | Dulan | dsl_: Did you check what drivers Kanotix and Knoppix use, compared to what Debian uses? |
| 14:47.02 | azeem | dsl_: maybe you can tell us a bit about how "foggy" your X is |
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| 14:47.39 | Menoz | hi all! I have a problem with apt-ftparchive, can somebody help me ? :) |
| 14:47.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow and i did a little f*ckup with backports. i putted the backport in my list, but the part to don't use it exapt for ... didn't work, and i did apt-get upgrade, now i have upgraded with backports, and programms are seeing xorg, but i dunnow, if i run xorg or xfree, how can i find that out? |
| 14:47.55 | JohnGH | basix: no recommendations or endorsements - but maybe some of these links can help you: http://pastebin.com/520621 |
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| 14:48.39 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: see whether you have xserver-xfree86 still installed, e.g. |
| 14:48.42 | dsl_ | well I can see the stuff on the desktop, but scramble, fuddled, and opening a file takes like 20 seconds |
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| 14:48.57 | azeem | dsl_: which resolution are you using? |
| 14:49.01 | azeem | dsl_: and which driver? |
| 14:49.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes but how do i know what im running? |
| 14:49.12 | azeem | dsl_: and which desktop environment |
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| 14:49.32 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: you can check /var/log/X*log to see what the newest one says at the top |
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| 14:50.05 | tralala | I have a programme that I want to start every time a user fires X session and kill it when the session ends. I have figured out the starting part - /etc/Xsession.d, but I can't figure out the killing part. Any ideas? |
| 14:50.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | xfree |
| 14:50.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok then ill install samba now |
| 14:50.27 | JohnGH | tralala: is this for one user, or all users on the system? |
| 14:50.39 | tralala | JohnGH: for all of them |
| 14:50.48 | dsl_ | 800x600 fits the best. Example: for kanotix I had to boot with framebuffer800x600, all other boot options ended up with frequency out of range |
| 14:50.58 | slept | DJ-Marcuzz, if you want to have a server swat is very nice |
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| 14:51.36 | dsl_ | I'll try to see which drivers differ from Kanotix to debian |
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| 14:51.45 | JohnGH | tralala: I haven't seen /etc/Xsession.d before - but you might want to look at: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 14:51.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm huston, i have a problem, when i did apt-get install samba and typed 2 times y it gave me a black terminal and i cant quit with ctrl-c q or z :S |
| 14:52.31 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: did what? |
| 14:52.38 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 14:52.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | the terminal window went from withe with black letters to totaly black |
| 14:52.46 | abrotman | !wud |
| 14:52.47 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 14:52.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | im in vnc |
| 14:52.56 | dr1v3r | anyone tell me how i can change my ulimit please? |
| 14:53.10 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: man ulimit |
| 14:53.14 | Guerin | dr1v3r: ^ |
| 14:53.24 | Guerin | dr1v3r: if you can't figure it out, you don't need to. |
| 14:53.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | and ctrl+alt+bksp wil terminate my whole xserver :P |
| 14:53.44 | napoleao | I am sorry if it is a dumb question, but I always thought that stable had only old packages, is this true? |
| 14:53.49 | dr1v3r | It currently says unlimited when i tye ulimit, but something i need the limits raised on will not work |
| 14:53.55 | dr1v3r | i do need to know as its causing problems |
| 14:54.00 | tralala | JohnGH: in fact it's /etc/X11/Xsession.d but this part is ok. The programme starts when the users logs in (through DM). The question is how to kill it when the user logs off so it can start again for the next user.. |
| 14:54.08 | abrotman | dr1v3r: limits on what ? |
| 14:54.16 | dr1v3r | IRCD |
| 14:54.37 | pipeline | napoleao: Yup. |
| 14:54.39 | dr1v3r | i nee to up the max connections but the machine is only allowing 1024 i need to change that |
| 14:54.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | Guerinm whats that? |
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| 14:54.49 | abrotman | dr1v3r: no .. WHICH limit |
| 14:54.51 | azeem | dsl_: do you have a very old monitor? |
| 14:54.56 | dr1v3r | ulimit |
| 14:55.01 | dr1v3r | thast all i know |
| 14:55.02 | pipeline | napoleao: "stable" is called "stable" for ar eason: It doesn't change. Versions don't go up. If there's a critical bugfix, maintainers will patch the old versions in stable. |
| 14:55.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes buts whats the use becaus i never had to use it? |
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| 14:55.19 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: miskey |
| 14:55.22 | JohnGH | tralala: I know if it's in your ,xinitrc and doesn't have a & after it to background it it will die when the session ends - I expect it probably behaves the same way in the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
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| 14:55.36 | ttz | hi there |
| 14:55.40 | dr1v3r | I am trying to allow more users to connect to my IRCD but when i run the IRCD it says fix the ulimit |
| 14:55.40 | ttz | I'm a newbie in Apache configuration, and I'm wondering whether mod_proxy is included in Debian's "apache" package or not, since I can't see /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_proxy.so |
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| 14:56.05 | dr1v3r | my hard limit is 1024 i need it to be more than that |
| 14:56.12 | Guerin | dr1v3r: man ulimit |
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| 14:56.22 | CosmoDad | how would I specify the usage of different versions of gcc and g++ when rebuilding a debian package again? |
| 14:56.23 | dr1v3r | I was answering a question |
| 14:56.25 | Guerin | dr1v3r: once again: if you can't figure it out, you don't need to change it. |
| 14:56.32 | tralala | JohnGH: yeah, but as far as I remember if it doesn't have & the xinitrc doesn't continue the execution so I will never get the environment running. |
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| 14:56.33 | dr1v3r | I was answering a question |
| 14:56.35 | dr1v3r | once again |
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| 14:56.44 | toresbe | ttz: You can find packages by filename at packages.debian.org |
| 14:56.45 | threat | [playing] Cradle Of Filth - Nymphetamine Overdose [= ]14%, 250 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 1412/5494 [Stereo] |
| 14:56.48 | napoleao | thanks pipeline |
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| 14:57.03 | abrotman | threat: we don't care .. TURN IT OFF |
| 14:57.09 | threat | abrotman, :P |
| 14:57.18 | threat | abrotman, Its not automatica |
| 14:57.21 | threat | abrotman, Its not automatic |
| 14:57.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 14:57.36 | azeem | threat: then please don't do it again |
| 14:57.37 | basix | why can't i hear that song...? :P |
| 14:57.38 | Guerin | threat: Now Playing: Fat Nancy Goths Who Like Poos - Threat Is Our Fwend |
| 14:57.49 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: uhm, are you root? |
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| 14:57.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | after i clicked away the terminal that went black and wanted to retry |
| 14:57.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes |
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| 14:57.55 | rol | One Q: You talk here only about Debian :> |
| 14:57.56 | ttz | toresbe: and what should I do with it ? I have already checked if mod_proxy was included in another package or not, and it seems this is not the case |
| 14:58.04 | threat | azeem, ok |
| 14:58.05 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: then another apt-get is still running |
| 14:58.17 | threat | Guerin, :) its not goth, but anyway |
| 14:58.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes the one with an black terminal :S |
| 14:58.25 | Guerin | !gothsmite threat |
| 14:58.30 | tralala | rol: at least we try to |
| 14:58.31 | toresbe | threat: mp3 announces are considered extremely rude and pointless, especially in busy channels. And your taste in music sucks. :) |
| 14:58.34 | Guerin | threat: it is goth, it just doesn't know it |
| 14:58.37 | azeem | Guerin: please only smite on regulars |
| 14:58.42 | Guerin | azeem: give over. |
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| 14:58.53 | threat | toresbe, :) anything else? |
| 14:59.00 | thingfish | Joy Division is goth? |
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| 14:59.06 | threat | Guerin, not goth, perhaps death metal, but not goth |
| 14:59.06 | rol | tralala >> come from? |
| 14:59.10 | thingfish | it was New Wave, back in my day. |
| 14:59.10 | JohnGH | hey dpkg, what's wrong with Joy Division? |
| 14:59.12 | toresbe | ttz: hmm... |
| 14:59.21 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: you can try to check /var/log/dpkg.log to see how far it went? |
| 14:59.22 | threat | Guerin, get your genre right :) |
| 14:59.23 | azeem | s/?// |
| 14:59.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, how do i kill the other apt? |
| 14:59.33 | JohnGH | they've inspired hundreds of beautiful suicides... don't knock them... damn bot |
| 14:59.38 | threat | DJ-Marcuzz, killall -9 apt-get |
| 14:59.49 | Guerin | thingfish: it was made in response to the bands a guy called gothkid or something said he liked |
| 14:59.55 | thingfish | ah |
| 15:00.00 | JohnGH | threat: death metal?????????????? |
| 15:00.02 | Guerin | thingfish: so the bands in there may or may not actually be goth |
| 15:00.08 | threat | JohnGH, its a genre |
| 15:00.20 | thingfish | Guerin: oh, ok. |
| 15:00.23 | JohnGH | threat: hardly one you'd apply to Joy Division!!! |
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| 15:00.30 | dr1v3r | How do i get out of this man page, it willnot go any further |
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| 15:00.36 | basix | q |
| 15:00.39 | Guerin | whatever the hell 'goth' actually is apart from twats wearing eye makeup and wishing they were dead |
| 15:00.41 | toresbe | ttz: I really don't know much about Apache beyond apt-get install and voila... You might want to search around, Google is your best friend when using Linux. |
| 15:00.44 | JohnGH | dr1v3r: does q not work? |
| 15:00.45 | dr1v3r | thanks |
| 15:00.49 | JohnGH | :) |
| 15:00.49 | thingfish | dr1v3r: q |
| 15:00.52 | toresbe | Guerin: See the d-o emo definition? |
| 15:00.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 15:01.02 | ttz | toresbe: thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of it ;-) |
| 15:01.12 | toresbe | ttz: :) good luck. |
| 15:01.18 | loca|host | hello all |
| 15:01.22 | Guerin | toresbe: nope. |
| 15:01.24 | threat | JohnGH, who? |
| 15:01.26 | CosmoDad | how would I specify the usage of different versions of gcc and g++ when rebuilding a debian package again? |
| 15:01.39 | loca|host | what's the apt repository for firefox 1.5 (Debian Sarge 3.1) |
| 15:01.42 | Guerin | CosmoDad: CC= |
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| 15:01.49 | azeem | CosmoDad: try to export CC=gcc-3.4 e.g. |
| 15:01.55 | azeem | same for CXX |
| 15:02.00 | azeem | most packages should honor that |
| 15:02.16 | threat | what would happen if I posted what I am listerning to in XMMS ? |
| 15:02.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | how to fix that latest error? |
| 15:02.27 | azeem | loca|host: www.backports.org |
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| 15:02.43 | loca|host | oops |
| 15:02.46 | loca|host | i forgot that |
| 15:02.46 | loca|host | :) |
| 15:02.47 | toresbe | Guerin: 14:50 < toresbe> http://emo.urbanup.com/1139455 <-best...definition...ever. |
| 15:02.48 | MezzoMicks | hey ho ^^ got a noobish problem |
| 15:02.49 | loca|host | thx azeem |
| 15:02.50 | CosmoDad | Guerin, azeem: what about g++? |
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| 15:02.53 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: unlock it |
| 15:03.00 | toresbe | MezzoMicks: shoot |
| 15:03.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | how? |
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| 15:03.08 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: with an apt key |
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| 15:03.24 | Guerin | toresbe: totally. |
| 15:03.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | a bit precicer (A) |
| 15:03.34 | JohnGH | Guerin: Goth wasn't around in the days that Joy Division were... |
| 15:03.37 | Guerin | !wrench |
| 15:03.38 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
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| 15:03.49 | Guerin | JohnGH: i know, see explanation to thingfish, above |
| 15:03.53 | MezzoMicks | well I got two users which have no shell but they are logged in and I can't get them logged out or deleted |
| 15:03.53 | cr3 | JohnGH: sorry to get back so late, but isn't remind written in python? isn't that a good thing? |
| 15:03.54 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: did you check whether no other apt-get processes are running anymore? |
| 15:03.55 | toresbe | haha, cute. |
| 15:04.22 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: lsof /whatever/file/is/locked |
| 15:04.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | well i killed the other |
| 15:04.30 | cr3 | JohnGH: by the way, I have just discovered when(1) which is actually written in Perl, but not using XML files though: http://www.lightandmatter.com/when/when.html |
| 15:04.34 | threat | lsof | grep -i w00t |
| 15:04.46 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:04.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd89 is <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
| 15:04.55 | basix | Guerin, can anybody do that or only ops? |
| 15:05.03 | Guerin | basix: do what? |
| 15:05.09 | tarzeau | Guerin: beep |
| 15:05.15 | Guerin | anyone can beep |
| 15:05.15 | JohnGH | cr3: thanks :) - I was thinking to ask you if you'd looked at birthday - if you just want a simple reminder :) |
| 15:05.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | dpkg-prec 13107 root |
| 15:05.22 | tarzeau | !beep |
| 15:05.23 | dpkg | from memory, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 15:05.24 | basix | Guerin, that !wrench thingy? |
| 15:05.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | thats the output of elsof |
| 15:05.28 | Guerin | but only the best beepers beep better than the bad beepers |
| 15:05.36 | Guerin | basix: um ... only ops. Yeah. |
| 15:05.43 | streuner | haha |
| 15:05.49 | Guerin | Like me! I'm an op, always have been. |
| 15:05.59 | basix | !wrench |
| 15:05.59 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
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| 15:06.06 | Guerin | damnit, foiled again |
| 15:06.12 | basix | Guerin, :) |
| 15:06.18 | streuner | !tell basix about enter |
| 15:06.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | wel how to wrench :P |
| 15:06.20 | MezzoMicks | can someone help me? °.° |
| 15:06.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | !ask |
| 15:06.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:06.44 | streuner | MezzoMicks: no, as long as you don't ask... |
| 15:06.47 | Guerin | MezzoMicks: if they have no shell, how are they logged in? |
| 15:06.50 | MezzoMicks | I asked >.< |
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| 15:06.53 | Guerin | streuner: he asked. |
| 15:06.55 | streuner | oh |
| 15:07.00 | basix | streuner, :| |
| 15:07.03 | MezzoMicks | Guerin: I get that question everywhere ^^ |
| 15:07.04 | cr3 | JohnGH: my current needs are indeed simple, but I can see myself wanting something more elaborate later. that is why I'm looking for existing software instead of writing my own, I'm just going to waste so much time extending the software. |
| 15:07.05 | tarzeau | Guerin: no need to login, with Hurd |
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| 15:07.20 | Guerin | tarzeau: good to know. But, um. Isn't that a little bit insecure? |
| 15:07.25 | tarzeau | it's a computer. use it. better than single sign on |
| 15:07.36 | tarzeau | Guerin: only if it's a unix |
| 15:07.37 | azeem | Guerin: RMS doesn't like passwords |
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| 15:07.49 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh. MITAI security model. |
| 15:07.53 | MezzoMicks | So does anyone know a way to kill/del/logout these users? |
| 15:07.54 | tarzeau | !MITAI |
| 15:07.55 | Guerin | azeem: i recall, now. |
| 15:08.02 | Guerin | tarzeau: MIT AI. |
| 15:08.02 | MezzoMicks | I don't mind hard methods ^^ |
| 15:08.06 | tarzeau | MezzoMicks: kindly ask them to log out? |
| 15:08.09 | JohnGH | Guerin / thingfish: new wave is always a difficult one - Joy Division, New Order & The Cure are kinda different from lots of the others - like XTC |
| 15:08.11 | basix | MezzoMicks, kill their processes? |
| 15:08.17 | azeem | or slay <user> |
| 15:08.25 | Guerin | JohnGH: i really care very little about that era of music. |
| 15:08.32 | MezzoMicks | they don't have processes that's the most ugly thing about it ^^ |
| 15:08.32 | Guerin | yeah, slay. |
| 15:08.41 | thingfish | funny you mention new order, as they arose from joy division. |
| 15:08.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | could somone help me install samba? becaus i badly need it :P |
| 15:08.41 | basix | azeem, isn't that debian specific? |
| 15:08.46 | azeem | basix: what? |
| 15:08.47 | Guerin | MezzoMicks: if they don't have processes, how do you know they're logged in? |
| 15:08.52 | MezzoMicks | who ^^ |
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| 15:09.02 | azeem | MezzoMicks: try ps aux | grep <login> |
| 15:09.04 | basix | azeem, slay... |
| 15:09.12 | azeem | basix: well, this is #debian |
| 15:09.22 | basix | azeem, thats not the point... |
| 15:09.26 | Guerin | basix: why not? |
| 15:09.33 | azeem | basix: what is the point then? |
| 15:09.36 | Guerin | basix: get your generic answers in ##linux |
| 15:09.41 | basix | azeem, i use debian, fedora, mandrake too |
| 15:09.47 | vovka | i use vsftpd as ftp server... some my uses report that OutPost and other firewall fix attack from my server |
| 15:09.48 | MezzoMicks | nopw no resulst from the process listing ^^ |
| 15:10.00 | boycer | basix: then #fedora, #mandrake... |
| 15:10.02 | Guerin | vovka: wtf is OutPost? |
| 15:10.05 | azeem | basix: so tell them to include it |
| 15:10.06 | MezzoMicks | @azeem |
| 15:10.08 | basix | Guerin, i like #debian better. people here are more useful than other channels :) |
| 15:10.15 | azeem | MezzoMicks: so how do you know they are still logged in? |
| 15:10.17 | vovka | is there any other traffic from ftp accept 21? |
| 15:10.18 | pipeline | basix: There's just momre of us. |
| 15:10.22 | MezzoMicks | azeem: who |
| 15:10.28 | tarzeau | pipeline: no it's not just that |
| 15:10.29 | Guerin | vovka: yes. read about passive ftp. |
| 15:10.31 | azeem | MezzoMicks: I am not sure that is accurate |
| 15:10.32 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's also the quality |
| 15:10.33 | vovka | Guerin, firewall |
| 15:10.36 | tarzeau | pipeline: go look #ubuntu |
| 15:10.46 | tarzeau | pipeline: even more people of them, but people regularly come here, see /topic |
| 15:10.46 | azeem | MezzoMicks: it might only note if people properly log out, not when they get killed or cut off |
| 15:10.49 | vovka | Guerin, i think i didnt enable passive mode |
| 15:10.54 | pipeline | tarzeau: Heh, I think it's obvious that #ubuntu is filled with idiots. |
| 15:10.55 | Guerin | vovka: you can configure vsftpd to only use active, which only uses ports 20 and 21; or any other two you decide on. |
| 15:11.02 | basix | pipeline, oh yeah... :) |
| 15:11.12 | Guerin | vovka: don't hink. Know. |
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| 15:11.17 | azeem | pipeline: in the beginning #ubuntu was 90% Debian Developers |
| 15:11.18 | MezzoMicks | azeem: OH and when I type deluser <login> it says user <login> logged in or something like that |
| 15:11.20 | basix | tarzeau, theres only 610 guys in Ubuntu |
| 15:11.22 | azeem | of course, that changed quickly... |
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| 15:11.38 | azeem | MezzoMicks: aha |
| 15:11.38 | Guerin | now it's closer to 20% |
| 15:11.40 | Guerin | :) |
| 15:11.41 | MezzoMicks | userdel: user icecast is currently logged in |
| 15:11.42 | basix | MezzoMicks, you dont want to delete the user just disconnect him, right? |
| 15:12.03 | vovka | Guerin, pasv_enable=NO |
| 15:12.08 | pipeline | azeem: Heh, no shit? I thought most of the people hacking on Ubuntu packages were people who couldn't get apprenticed as DDs :| |
| 15:12.12 | MezzoMicks | basix: I don't mind deleting him, but disconnecting would also be nice to know |
| 15:12.18 | Guerin | vovka: get more information from the people running the firewalls. |
| 15:12.18 | pipeline | azeem: At least, most of the ones I ran into. I think I must just have had a bad sample. |
| 15:12.19 | azeem | pipeline: eh? |
| 15:12.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem (A), could you hellp me install samba? becaus it gives errors and errors :S |
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| 15:12.30 | boycer | basix: pkill [username] ought to do it |
| 15:12.36 | Guerin | vovka: or sniff the traffic yourself to see what's actually happening. |
| 15:12.39 | azeem | pipeline: Canonical hired the best DDs, not the stupid ones |
| 15:12.41 | basix | MezzoMicks, you cant delete him until you log him off |
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| 15:12.56 | streuner | @mhallsmite azeem |
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| 15:12.58 | azeem | pipeline: of course, they don't hang out in #ubuntu anymore |
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| 15:13.15 | streuner | where the fuck is ravenbird, if you need it ? |
| 15:13.27 | MezzoMicks | so how do I log him off ^^... when there is no shell *ack* |
| 15:13.28 | azeem | it got azeemsmited |
| 15:13.31 | streuner | azeem: you suck |
| 15:13.32 | pipeline | azeem: Key words *hired* |
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| 15:13.51 | pipeline | azeem: The people who do the everyday work on the stuff outside the Ubuntu base are, for the most part, the castoffs of the debian project. |
| 15:13.56 | pipeline | azeem: i.e. "masters of the universe" |
| 15:13.57 | boycer | MezzoMicks: pkill [username] will kill all their processes - out to do! |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | azeem: did they hire you? |
| 15:14.14 | azeem | pipeline: well, I don't think so. Most of them are not coming from Debian |
| 15:14.16 | azeem | abrotman: no |
| 15:14.17 | pipeline | azeem: The ubuntu base is, indeed, worked on by lots of talented people. :P |
| 15:14.21 | Gulan | pipeline: They hired he-man ripoffs? ;p |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | azeem: then they didn't get *all* the best! :) |
| 15:14.32 | dr1v3r | Ok i have changed my maxconnections (ulimit) but i still get the same error after i have recompiled the package, The command ulimit -n shows the result that i wanted it changed to |
| 15:14.36 | pipeline | Gulan: Nah, that's what they really call the people who work on the stuff outside the base. |
| 15:14.42 | dr1v3r | Is theer anything else i have to do other than that? |
| 15:14.49 | MezzoMicks | boycer: well their processes are all killed, but they are still logged in |
| 15:14.50 | Guerin | dr1v3r: restart stuff? |
| 15:15.06 | boycer | MezzoMicks: eh? they still have a tty? |
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| 15:15.22 | Gulan | MezzoMicks: If all their processes are kiled...how are they still logged in? |
| 15:15.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello, hellup |
| 15:15.32 | dr1v3r | I have recompiled the package, i have not restarted the machine of thats what you mean |
| 15:15.35 | boycer | MezzoMicks: that's mental |
| 15:15.36 | MezzoMicks | Gulan: seems like witchcraft to me ^^ |
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| 15:16.04 | boycer | MezzoMicks: nah - possession. You need to apt-get install bell-book-candle |
| 15:16.09 | azeem | MezzoMicks: can you please paste the command you used to verify that they have no more processes running? |
| 15:16.58 | MezzoMicks | azeem: ps aux | grep icecast |
| 15:17.05 | MezzoMicks | and also |
| 15:17.09 | BlueShado | Hi guys |
| 15:17.26 | MezzoMicks | azeem: ps aux | grep pts/2 |
| 15:17.45 | boycer | MezzoMicks: what does 'w' give you? |
| 15:17.54 | boycer | MezzoMicks: also try 'who' |
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| 15:17.58 | azeem | MezzoMicks: icecast is the guy logged in? |
| 15:18.26 | boycer | MezzoMicks: could just be a daemon/cron job running as user icecast, not a login at all |
| 15:18.36 | MezzoMicks | azeem: icecast is a generated user from icecast-server |
| 15:18.48 | azeem | MezzoMicks: so why do you grep for it? |
| 15:18.49 | MezzoMicks | azeem: w gives just root |
| 15:18.54 | boycer | MezzoMicks: then /etc/init.d/icecast stop |
| 15:19.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | am i asking at an inconvinient time? |
| 15:19.07 | boycer | MezzoMicks: there's no icecast user logged in at all. |
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| 15:19.47 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: you should paste errors to a pastebin |
| 15:19.47 | MezzoMicks | azeem: I greped for it, hoping that it's shell is still a process |
| 15:19.48 | JohnGH | MezzoMicks: do you have finger installed on your box? |
| 15:19.57 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: and I don't know much about samba, so no use in asking me directly |
| 15:20.06 | boycer | MezzoMicks: no shell involved. What are you trying to do? |
| 15:20.10 | MezzoMicks | JohnGH: no but I can do... just a sec |
| 15:20.12 | azeem | MezzoMicks: I thought you want to logout users? |
| 15:20.16 | azeem | not daemons? |
| 15:20.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | no but you know about apt-get and thats failing! |
| 15:20.52 | MezzoMicks | azeem: because it IS a user ^^ deluser icecast tells me it is logged in |
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| 15:21.01 | azeem | MezzoMicks: why do you want to remove it? |
| 15:21.10 | qzio | hi there. I did a apt-get install snort; poked around in the .conf files and want to restore them.. did a apt-get remove --purge snort; which did not remove the /etc/snort directory, so I did 'rm -rf /etc/snort/' and if i do a apt-get install snort; no new .conf files is generated, only that snort.debian.conf thing... is there a way to get the default configuration files back? |
| 15:21.14 | boycer | MezzoMicks: what are you trying to do?! |
| 15:21.16 | JohnGH | MezzoMicks: what does 'finger icecast' tell you? |
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| 15:21.32 | dr1v3r | anyone have any more idea, as i have just followed the man page and i still have the problem :'( |
| 15:21.39 | MezzoMicks | Login: icecast Name: |
| 15:21.39 | MezzoMicks | Directory: /usr/share/icecast/static Shell: /bin/false |
| 15:21.39 | MezzoMicks | On since Mon Jan 23 22:41 (CET) on pts/2 (messages off) |
| 15:21.40 | MezzoMicks | Last login Tue Jan 24 15:07 (CET) on pts/0 from p548c84fb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
| 15:21.40 | MezzoMicks | No mail. |
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| 15:21.48 | azeem | MezzoMicks: why do you want to remove it? |
| 15:21.50 | SimonRaven | !confmiss |
| 15:21.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 15:21.57 | SimonRaven | qzio: ^^^ |
| 15:22.03 | SAJChurchey | Can anybody help me? I'm trying to update sarge, and I keep getting package verification errors. |
| 15:22.09 | boycer | blimey... |
| 15:22.14 | azeem | SAJChurchey: seen the /topic? |
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| 15:22.33 | dsl_ | toresbe : still want to help? join "x" channel, don't want to bother with that much informations in here |
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| 15:22.40 | qzio | SimonRaven: thanks! |
| 15:22.41 | JohnGH | MezzoMicks: what does 'fuser /dev/pts/2' say? |
| 15:22.51 | boycer | JohnGH: he got kicked for flooding... |
| 15:22.51 | MezzoMicks | azeem: because I want to clean up my machine a bit and I uninstalled icecast-server some time ago already |
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| 15:23.03 | boycer | JohnGH: never mind! |
| 15:23.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, when i do apt-get install samba it gives this error error were i ned the apt wrenge thing, but nobody tells how to use it |
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| 15:23.21 | boycer | MezzoMicks: apt-get uninstall icecast! |
| 15:23.21 | SAJChurchey | thanx azeem, I had problems using the old key, too, but I will try this first |
| 15:23.22 | JohnGH | boycer: thanks :) |
| 15:23.26 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: huh? |
| 15:23.27 | MezzoMicks | JohnGH: No such file or so ^^ |
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| 15:23.46 | MezzoMicks | boycer: it's remove and... yes I already did it ^^ |
| 15:23.48 | goron | After an upgrade to udev and xorg 6.9 I don't have hardware-acceleration anymore. |
| 15:23.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | Setting up samba-common (3.0.14a-3sarge1) ... |
| 15:23.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another p rocess |
| 15:24.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | that error |
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| 15:24.06 | goron | The module nvidia is loaded, but it's not used. |
| 15:24.09 | boycer | MezzoMicks: ls /etc/init.d/i* |
| 15:24.15 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: that's still your other apt-get process |
| 15:24.24 | azeem | or rather what it spawned |
| 15:24.26 | boycer | MezzoMicks: icecast shouldn't be there. |
| 15:24.28 | goron | Well, it is used but e.g. glxgears crawls, while it normally flies. |
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| 15:24.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | well how to kill it? |
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| 15:24.40 | azeem | goron: it might just be too fast to see |
| 15:24.51 | goron | azeem: I run it from the cli. |
| 15:25.04 | azeem | goron: and? |
| 15:25.05 | goron | azeem: I see the numbers. It was an order of magnitude faster. |
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| 15:25.08 | azeem | ah |
| 15:25.08 | MezzoMicks | boycer: getting ifupdown and inetd |
| 15:25.20 | JohnGH | MezzoMicks: I would suspect that /var/log/wtmp or /var/run/utmp could be screwed up |
| 15:25.28 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: a reboot might work, or you find out all the processes from the hung terminal and kill them |
| 15:25.34 | JohnGH | i.e. out of sync somehow |
| 15:25.37 | boycer | MezzoMicks: okay... 'ps fax | grep icecast' and note the process id |
| 15:25.51 | JohnGH | I don't think you can fix that (nicely) except by rebooting. |
| 15:25.56 | boycer | MezzoMicks: then 'kill ' process id |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | azeem: see .. you're missing lively stuff now! |
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| 15:26.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | reboot is inpossible becaus that server is doing some important tasks i don't wanna interrupt ;) |
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| 15:26.06 | azeem | abrotman: but I should work! |
| 15:26.09 | JohnGH | you could wipe everything - but then you'd loose it for everyone else too |
| 15:26.09 | MezzoMicks | boycer: I did that a long time ago ^^ |
| 15:26.21 | boycer | MezzoMicks: yet it's still there in ps? |
| 15:26.30 | abrotman | azeem: you're doing such a good job of it :) |
| 15:26.32 | boycer | MezzoMicks: yeesh! :) how about a reboot |
| 15:26.40 | MezzoMicks | boycer: ok ^^ good idea... |
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| 15:26.50 | crypt_ex | is rsync faster locally at copying files than cp? |
| 15:27.00 | boycer | MezzoMicks: last resort of course ... :) |
| 15:27.01 | MezzoMicks | boycer: I head for the shower and check back later to tell you if the ghost-users are gone |
| 15:27.03 | goron | azeem: so what do I miss? |
| 15:27.03 | Guerin | crypt_ex: depends. |
| 15:27.09 | crypt_ex | Guerin, on what? |
| 15:27.17 | boycer | MezzoMicks: good luck - i won't be here tho |
| 15:27.37 | crypt_ex | Guerin, if its being accessed or not? |
| 15:27.40 | goron | I think it's the combination of udev and nvidia |
| 15:27.44 | Guerin | crypt_ex: rsync tends to be faster for many smalll files, and on sparse files, because it has smarter pipelining and compression, but cp has generally lower overhead. |
| 15:27.57 | crypt_ex | cool |
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| 15:28.05 | crypt_ex | Just wanted to know roughly |
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| 15:28.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | so how to quit those hanging processes without reboot? |
| 15:28.25 | toresbe | dsl_: I don't really have time to help you right now, sorry. Please ask here, and give as much information as you can. |
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| 15:28.59 | zealop | how it is possible that debian distributes php 4.3.10 via apt-get which is extremely old! current version is 4.4.2 in PHP4 ??? |
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| 15:29.24 | Guerin | zealop: stable means 'doesn't change' |
| 15:29.43 | suyog_m | anyone here who uses debian etch? |
| 15:29.45 | zealop | Guerin: but its unsecure |
| 15:29.46 | Guerin | zealop: that old php has security fixes backported to it, if that's what you're worried about |
| 15:29.50 | Guerin | zealop: snap. |
| 15:29.52 | drac | dpkg: anyone |
| 15:29.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:30.29 | zealop | Guerin: i didnt understand that backport. is this old php version secure? |
| 15:30.41 | Guerin | zealop: yes. |
| 15:30.55 | Guerin | zealop: see security.debian.org |
| 15:30.57 | suyog_m | my gnome desktop crashes when i install deb_helper. anyone knows how to fix it? |
| 15:31.03 | zealop | Guerin: k thx |
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| 15:31.47 | tarzeau | suyog_m: what do you really install, and how? |
| 15:32.04 | suyog_m | i install using apt-get |
| 15:32.10 | goron | How is it possible that xorg uses the nvidia driver and at the same time I have direct rendering:no? |
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| 15:32.43 | azeem | goron: no idea, sorry |
| 15:32.55 | suyog_m | I was installing alien |
| 15:32.59 | azeem | goron: is this using X forwarding? |
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| 15:33.06 | goron | azeem: no |
| 15:33.09 | goron | azeem: just local |
| 15:33.11 | azeem | goron: also, check the log in /var/log |
| 15:33.17 | ceeto | Hi all. Is there a bunzip2 package available in sarge? I'm having a heck of a time finding it ... |
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| 15:33.23 | goron | azeem: of xorg? Already did that. |
| 15:33.24 | azeem | e.g. your card might not be supported/detected |
| 15:33.26 | Guerin | crypt_ex: bzip2 |
| 15:33.29 | Guerin | ceeto: |
| 15:33.43 | ceeto | Ahh... duh.. thanks :) |
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| 15:34.45 | goron | azeem: I see the problem. |
| 15:35.02 | goron | azeem: The file does contain EE entries :) |
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| 15:35.41 | suyog_m | can anyone tell me what repository i need to add in order to install vlc media player on debian etch? |
| 15:35.52 | azeem | !vlc |
| 15:35.53 | dpkg | from memory, vlc is the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 15:36.00 | Guerin | !why is vlc not in testing? |
| 15:36.01 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:36.47 | Guerin | vlc is waiting for avahi, dbus, hal, libogg <-- why the FUCK does a video player depend on dbus and hal? |
| 15:36.52 | Guerin | christ |
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| 15:37.12 | azeem | due to avahi I guess |
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| 15:37.20 | Guerin | the insanity of udev and hal and dbus, the "onle subsystem to rule them all" mentality is just too much |
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| 15:37.23 | azeem | it uses d-bus, which uses hal |
| 15:37.31 | Guerin | azeem: worked fine before that. |
| 15:37.40 | Guerin | all it has to do is play media, for goodness' sakes. |
| 15:37.41 | suyog_m | so, if i can't have vlc, which is the second best player? |
| 15:37.46 | azeem | Guerin: without the added functionality, of course |
| 15:37.58 | azeem | why it called Video*LAN* client then? |
| 15:37.59 | vin` | suyog_m: mplayer is the best. |
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| 15:38.06 | zealop | doh.. i installed apache2 via apt-get and the config file just says: This is here for backwards compatability reasons blabla.. i cant find my real config.. i think that it doesent exist. what the? |
| 15:38.08 | Guerin | suyog_m: mplayer, which isn't in debian but is available. xine is also woth a look. |
| 15:38.09 | azeem | s/why it/why is it/ |
| 15:38.20 | strider | Guerin: vlc works ok now for Sid |
| 15:38.21 | azeem | zealop: try dpkg -L apache2 | grep etc |
| 15:38.29 | Guerin | azeem: you do have a point about the server side of things. |
| 15:38.35 | Guerin | strider: i use it daily. |
| 15:38.47 | azeem | Guerin: avahi is used to discover servers |
| 15:38.52 | dr1v3r | anyone have any idea about my problem please? |
| 15:38.53 | suyog_m | mplayer... hmm... and which repository need i add to apt-get mplayer? |
| 15:38.56 | zealop | azeem: shows nothing |
| 15:39.03 | Guerin | sanity would suggest that vlc should be split into a client and a server package |
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| 15:39.11 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 15:39.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
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| 15:39.26 | threat | vin`, xine owns you |
| 15:39.34 | suyog_m | thank you!! very much |
| 15:39.45 | Guerin | threat: xine will own me when it can play mp4 container x264 viddeo |
| 15:39.48 | Guerin | s/dd/d |
| 15:39.52 | dsl_ | looks like I have to install XFree86 4.3 or xorg 6.8. I tried apt-get... can't find the packages |
| 15:40.07 | BucWheat | i'm following the article: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/126 along with: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
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| 15:40.21 | threat | Guerin, it can do it all |
| 15:40.26 | Guerin | threat: nope. |
| 15:40.34 | threat | Guerin, it's very modular |
| 15:40.37 | BucWheat | and i cannot get it to work. this is a brand new install of sarge and i can see the device in ../../messages |
| 15:40.43 | zealop | the apache2 server started fine but the real config file is missing |
| 15:40.46 | BucWheat | can someone help me get this thing mounted |
| 15:40.59 | Guerin | threat: i encounter files I can't play in xine on a daily basis. |
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| 15:41.15 | Guerin | threat: i find mplayer, vlc and xine all have their strengths and weaknesses. |
| 15:41.38 | pipeline | vlc's command-line interface is terrible |
| 15:41.43 | threat | Guerin, I dont |
| 15:41.44 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 15:41.45 | azeem | we need a Chuck Norris video player |
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| 15:41.53 | threat | azeem, haha |
| 15:41.58 | Guerin | and vlc and xine both require X to run - even just to play audio! |
| 15:42.01 | zealop | DOH! The name of the file was apache2.conf |
| 15:42.02 | Guerin | wtf is that |
| 15:42.13 | azeem | vlc-plugin-aa |
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| 15:42.42 | azeem | Guerin: do they require X to run, or just to be installed? |
| 15:42.51 | azeem | not that I care a lot about vlc, using totem myself |
| 15:42.59 | BucWheat | i do not see any errors in messages either |
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| 15:43.13 | abrotman | azeem: WORK! |
| 15:43.24 | azeem | dude, I was just getting back to it! |
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| 15:43.43 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.44 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.44 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.50 | azeem | this is just not fun, ya know? |
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| 15:46.27 | Nach | My DVD Burner supports DVD-R 8x and so does my media, but when burning I only get 4x. Why exactly aren't I getting 8x? And can i fix this somehow? |
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| 15:47.08 | Guerin | azeem: $ vlc Shostakovich_-_S11_Op103_1.ogg |
| 15:47.09 | Guerin | VLC media player 0.8.4-svn Janus |
| 15:47.10 | Guerin | Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly? |
| 15:47.15 | Guerin | bah, sorry |
| 15:47.26 | Guerin | yeah |
| 15:47.41 | sifi-xz | why do I get "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when I opn a radio playlist in XMMS? |
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| 15:47.55 | sifi-xz | in the console |
| 15:47.56 | Guerin | anyway, -> bed |
| 15:48.20 | Zerial | sifi-xz, apt-cache search libmikmod |
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| 15:48.37 | Zerial | libmikmod2 - A portable sound library |
| 15:48.37 | Zerial | libmikmod2-dev - A portable sound library - development files |
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| 15:48.52 | Zerial | install it.. |
| 15:49.34 | sifi-xz | Zerial, yes, but the playlist is being played and so, the message comes just after and random times |
| 15:50.05 | sifi-xz | Zerial, Do you have any explanations? |
| 15:50.25 | hueh | Where can I get the list of exit statuses from debconf: i.e. I know 30 is "Qusetion Skipped", 10 is "Script Error, e.g. fnf" - where can I get the full list? |
| 15:50.42 | MezzoMicks | ... the reboot worked ^^ |
| 15:51.00 | threat | [playing] Slayer - Overt enemy [ ]11%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 3833/5493 [Stereo] |
| 15:51.06 | stew | Guerin: what about vlc --intf curses? |
| 15:51.31 | azeem | threat: what do you think would happen if everybody did that? |
| 15:51.32 | Sander-nl | what's the best way to install java? |
| 15:51.36 | pipeline | stew, Guerin : egads. VLC's command line is horrible. Just don't. |
| 15:51.38 | azeem | !install java |
| 15:51.39 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
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| 15:52.00 | threat | azeem, the world would be a better place? |
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| 15:52.39 | pipeline | azeem, threat : We'd all go deaf listening to horrible, low-quality audio? |
| 15:52.42 | azeem | np: Curse - Konsequenzen (3:15) |
| 15:52.58 | threat | pipeline, nah, its not low quaility, its variable bit rate :) |
| 15:53.11 | nvz | heh, dpkg made a funny |
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| 15:53.12 | abrotman | threat: really STOP DOING THAT |
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| 15:53.18 | threat | abrotman, I am bored, it happens |
| 15:53.19 | nvz | abrotman: what being an idiot? |
| 15:53.25 | abrotman | being a fucktard |
| 15:53.33 | nvz | yeah that too. |
| 15:53.35 | threat | abrotman, get used to it |
| 15:53.36 | Sander-nl | !java-package |
| 15:53.36 | dpkg | it has been said that java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 15:53.44 | abrotman | threat: or get you killed? |
| 15:53.46 | tarzeau | someone runs debian on a power4 machine? |
| 15:53.54 | nvz | azeem: $20 |
| 15:53.59 | nvz | er abrotman ^ |
| 15:54.02 | tarzeau | which iso do i get for power4 ? |
| 15:54.02 | threat | [playing] Chimaira - The Dehumanizing Process (Live [ ]1%, 250 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 1251/5493 [Stereo] |
| 15:54.10 | azeem | tarzeau: powerpc? |
| 15:54.11 | nvz | ok thats definatly not cool |
| 15:54.22 | tarzeau | azeem: yes but what is it" PrEP or what? |
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| 15:54.32 | abrotman | azeem: please +q him |
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| 15:54.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=threat@*.static.tpgi.com.au] by azeem |
| 15:54.38 | hueh | sorry to re-ask - any ideas where I can get a list of debconf exit status codes? |
| 15:54.38 | nvz | being off topic is one thing, this can get you silenced use #flood or something.. and even they may ban you |
| 15:54.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 15:54.41 | abrotman | azeem: thank you |
| 15:54.48 | azeem | threat: you have been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 15:54.49 | thingfish | oh azeem is wonderful. :) |
| 15:55.05 | nvz | azeem: well done, though silenced is % no? |
| 15:55.19 | azeem | +b works as well |
| 15:55.23 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 15:55.26 | sifi-xz | where is the binary for libmikmod2 stored? find / -name "libmikmod2" just show me: /usr/share/doc/libmikmod2 |
| 15:55.34 | nvz | azeem: works but that bans too |
| 15:55.40 | nvz | azeem: you dont have autobleh? |
| 15:55.43 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: dpkg -L pkg |
| 15:55.48 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: |grep bin |
| 15:55.57 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: you want to play modules? try opencubicplayer |
| 15:55.59 | azeem | tarzeau: btw, somebody managed to get GNUstep running on hurd-i386 |
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| 15:56.17 | tarzeau | azeem: yap i've got screenshot of it called turdstep.jpg :) |
| 15:56.21 | pipeline | tarzeau: Why Debian and not AIX? |
| 15:56.22 | nvz | heh |
| 15:56.28 | thingfish | hehe turdstep |
| 15:56.30 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/turdstep.png |
| 15:56.31 | Sander-nl | once I installed a package.. can I delete the .deb file where I installed it from? |
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| 15:56.40 | tarzeau | pipeline: because i don't like aix |
| 15:56.55 | tarzeau | pipeline: actually i've got 3 power4 machines, and some more power machines. all doing nothing :) |
| 15:57.01 | pipeline | tarzeau: !!! |
| 15:57.12 | pipeline | tarzeau: Where are you located and how old are the POWER machines in question ? :P |
| 15:57.17 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, dpkg -L libmikmod2 | grep bin didnt find anything |
| 15:57.19 | tarzeau | pipeline: why not wake them up, and do them something funny instead of collect dust |
| 15:57.21 | nvz | that looks a lot like a wm theme |
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| 15:57.29 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, it is installed for sure |
| 15:57.31 | nvz | though you cant really tell one step from the other half the time |
| 15:57.34 | tarzeau | pipeline: they are beautiful from the look, and i live in switzerland |
| 15:57.38 | tarzeau | pipeline: near zurich |
| 15:57.53 | pipeline | tarzeau: Too bad. Heh. My POWER2 system is a brick and I need parts to fix it :P |
| 15:57.56 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: mikmod plays modules horribly! |
| 15:58.04 | nvz | the first, second, and turdstep looks the same as the nextstep it really doesnt matter |
| 15:58.07 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: try modplugplay from xmms-modplug |
| 15:58.08 | Sander-nl | can someone briefly explain what a .bin file is? |
| 15:58.16 | nvz | Sander-nl: file foo.bin |
| 15:58.17 | pipeline | tarzeau: Anyway, anything new enough to be POWER4 is probably going to be CHRP |
| 15:58.32 | tarzeau | pipeline: and if i find power3 or 5 machines, what are those? |
| 15:58.33 | pipeline | Sander-nl: ".bin" just stands for binary -- it could be anything. Do what nvz said to try to identify it :P |
| 15:58.45 | tarzeau | pipeline: thanks for the hint, i'll check if i can not netboot install them |
| 15:58.46 | pipeline | tarzeau: I think some power3 machines might have been PReP |
| 15:58.51 | Sander-nl | alright |
| 15:58.53 | pipeline | tarzeau: All POWER4 and 5 will be CHRP |
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| 15:59.02 | nvz | Sander-nl: unlike the stupidity portrayed in some systems like those running on windows... files are not determined by their names |
| 15:59.06 | Sander-nl | it's java btw.. downloaded a .bin file from Sun |
| 15:59.13 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, I have installed opencubicplayer, how do I launch it? |
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| 15:59.19 | nvz | Sander-nl: apt-get install java-packagte |
| 15:59.21 | nvz | Sander-nl: apt-get install java-package |
| 15:59.25 | Sander-nl | already did that |
| 15:59.38 | miki | hey, im trying to start KDE, but i must set Xorg propertly... any clues how to do that? |
| 15:59.45 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: say ocp |
| 15:59.47 | nvz | Sander-nl: make-jpkg j2[tab] |
| 15:59.59 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: of course you wwant the 0.1.10rc5 release from gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/rc5/ |
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| 16:00.07 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: i've got a sarge backport of that too :) |
| 16:00.14 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, ok, but nothing is comming up "ocp" |
| 16:00.15 | nvz | Sander-nl: if you are not root you may need to fakeroot. I am not sure I do not recall |
| 16:00.26 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: you start it where? xterm? console? root? user? |
| 16:00.35 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: got a soundcard? linux or different? alsa or not? |
| 16:00.36 | nvz | Sander-nl: you will definatly need to be root to install the deb package you make |
| 16:00.44 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: it works perfect here. |
| 16:00.47 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, as a regular user in KDE from "Run Command" |
| 16:01.00 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: you must run it in a terminal |
| 16:01.01 | Silent_al | hello :) what is the best rss feeder today? (using xfce desktop) |
| 16:01.10 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: preferable not a gnome or kde terminal, since they are too slow |
| 16:01.14 | vin` | tarzeau: does 0.1.10rc5 fix the .sid segfault issue? |
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| 16:01.28 | tarzeau | vin`: there's a sid segfault issue? |
| 16:01.29 | nvz | Silent_al: the best? of the best? |
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| 16:01.44 | Sander-nl | so what do I do with the bin file? convert it to a .deb package first? |
| 16:01.45 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, cool, can I stream radio from it? |
| 16:01.49 | Silent_al | nvz, a good 1... at least .. |
| 16:01.50 | miki | anyone know how to set Xorg propertly for KDE? i got errorst while trying to run |
| 16:01.57 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: i don't think so, but you can request it from #ocp |
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| 16:02.01 | carmen | hola |
| 16:02.13 | tarzeau | Sander-nl: not worth it, just install it |
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| 16:02.16 | Cristina | HOLA |
| 16:02.17 | nvz | Silent_al: for viewing RSS feeds? |
| 16:02.18 | tarzeau | Sander-nl: or get its source |
| 16:02.19 | vin` | tarzeau: not in general, only when playing risid.sid |
| 16:02.26 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, thx, is it this player better then XMMS, Mplayer and others? |
| 16:02.27 | carmen | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:02.28 | tarzeau | vin`: interesting, file a bugreport please |
| 16:02.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:02.48 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: yes it's the best player! |
| 16:02.48 | Silent_al | carmen , #debian-es |
| 16:02.48 | Silent_al | :P |
| 16:02.49 | Sander-nl | well I'm tottaly new to all that has anythign to do with linux :) |
| 16:02.49 | nvz | Silent_al: make-jpkg will turn the java runtime install binary into a debian package |
| 16:02.49 | carmen | como estas |
| 16:02.49 | Cristina | hOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 16:02.49 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, =), why? |
| 16:02.49 | Sander-nl | how do I install a .bin? |
| 16:02.49 | Silent_al | nvz , yup |
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| 16:02.55 | carmen | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:03.06 | carmen | como estas |
| 16:03.07 | nvz | Sander-nl: make-jpkg will turn the java runtime install binary into a debian package |
| 16:03.08 | azeem | carmen, Cristina: stop that |
| 16:03.08 | abrotman | yay .. the rima tards are back |
| 16:03.15 | Cristina | bIEN |
| 16:03.16 | dimir | CZESC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111 |
| 16:03.20 | nvz | great |
| 16:03.24 | strider | here we go again |
| 16:03.27 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: it can play music faster or slower |
| 16:03.27 | carmen | yo muy bien y tu |
| 16:03.28 | azeem | dimir: are you a troll as well? |
| 16:03.30 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: and it can change pitch |
| 16:03.34 | nvz | azeem: duh :) |
| 16:03.37 | nvz | sorry |
| 16:03.39 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: there's hardly a music format it can not play |
| 16:03.43 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, if it can stream radio Im in |
| 16:03.50 | carmen | cristinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:03.51 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: it's the player with over 10 years development in it, exists since 1994 |
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| 16:04.03 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: request it. i don't need streaming |
| 16:04.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 16:04.05 | Silent_al | carmen, :O a girl?!?!! where?!~!?~ |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | they're the same IP .. it's pretty obvious |
| 16:04.15 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: i'm sure mw! will add it, or you write the plugin for it |
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| 16:04.18 | miki | anyone know how to set Xorg propertly for KDE? i got errors while trying to run |
| 16:04.32 | sifi-xz | tarzeau, cool |
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| 16:04.38 | Silent_al | nvz, yes , for viewing RSS feeds |
| 16:04.39 | nvz | abrotman: ok, take it easy, he knows what to do :P |
| 16:04.39 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*n=threat@*.static.tpgi.com.au] by azeem |
| 16:04.45 | tarzeau | sifi-xz: look here... |
| 16:04.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 16:04.49 | dr1v3r | so anyone have any more ideas other than man ulimit to change the ulimit as it has changed but there is still errors when trying to run the package that i am increasing the limit for |
| 16:04.59 | abrotman | nvz: i wasn't sure he was still around |
| 16:05.03 | nvz | abrotman: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, if you know what I mean |
| 16:05.05 | tarzeau | ocp video http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/ocp.mpeg |
| 16:05.07 | threat | azeem, yayaayyaya |
| 16:05.08 | ejofee_ | would somebody care to build gaim-2.0.0.beta2 (launched several minutes ago) for debian? |
| 16:05.12 | tarzeau | (xterm with tiny font, done with xvidcap) |
| 16:05.16 | abrotman | nvz: dunno .. i'd like to be in a bush |
| 16:05.24 | Sander-nl | it's installing |
| 16:05.25 | nvz | abrotman: hahaha |
| 16:05.30 | dotCOMmie | miki: whats it bitching about? |
| 16:05.31 | Sander-nl | so the 'make' command is used for .bin files? |
| 16:05.34 | tarzeau | ejofee_: launched=released? |
| 16:05.34 | nvz | abrotman: not that kind of bush.. |
| 16:05.41 | tarzeau | ejofee_: it's just beta2. why don't you build it? |
| 16:06.03 | dimir | Sander-nl: no, to control your software compilation. |
| 16:06.05 | miki | dotCOMmie: i got errors while im trying to start KDE, ppl from kde chan told me to set xorg propertly but i dunno how todo that on debian |
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| 16:06.26 | Sander-nl | ah alright |
| 16:06.31 | dotCOMmie | miki: you need to config /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:06.54 | ejofee_ | tarzeau: right |
| 16:06.56 | miki | dotCOMmie sec, let me show u pastebin |
| 16:07.02 | miki | http://pastebin.com/520705 |
| 16:07.08 | miki | its hand writen tho :P |
| 16:07.09 | dotCOMmie | miki: check the /var/log/X.org.something and /var/log/kde |
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| 16:07.17 | nvz | Sander-nl: no. as I've told you there is no such thing as a .bin file. Also note that make, and make-jpkg have ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. |
| 16:07.19 | dotCOMmie | miki: I gotta run to class in 3 min |
| 16:07.31 | miki | dotCOMmie: hhe, fine |
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| 16:07.48 | nvz | Sander-nl: and that make-jpkg is for taking a sun installation binary and converting it to a debian one that integrates properly into the debian packaging system |
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| 16:07.54 | vhuren | I have a problem I have samba running but when I do smbclient -U vhuren //localhost/sharename it asks for a password and authenicates me properly but when I try to browse into that share from a windows machine it doesnt work when I use the same username and password can someone help? |
| 16:07.56 | dotCOMmie | miki: check xorg logs it might have something usefull you can google |
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| 16:08.27 | drac | miki: "no file or dir" ? apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 16:08.48 | DJCapelis | dpkg-buildpackage is breaking for me... http://pastebin.com/520721 anyone have experience in the area? |
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| 16:09.08 | nvz | Sander-nl: make on the other hand is a new fangled program modern programmers use to process "MAKEFILES" which are instructions on who, what, where, when, and how the compiler should build a certain package. |
| 16:09.20 | miki | drac:shouldnt it be in standard KDE isntallation?i did apt-get install KDE |
| 16:09.32 | Sander-nl | ahh ok makes sense, thanks |
| 16:09.38 | stouset | nvz: That's a very simplistic explanation of Make :) |
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| 16:09.42 | drac | miki: no, apt-getting KDE doesn't install X. |
| 16:09.49 | nvz | stouset: we are not dealing with a guru here |
| 16:09.56 | dimir | DJ-Marcuzz: check the /dev/null permissions (ls -l /dev/null) |
| 16:09.58 | miki | drac: brb, checking then |
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| 16:10.10 | dimir | DJCapelis: check the /dev/null permissions (ls -l /dev/null) |
| 16:10.11 | nvz | stouset: backlog, and notice the confusion of a bunch of totally different things |
| 16:10.15 | stagger | nvz hi again! I installed gift as you told me and I must say that it's pretty good :-). But I have one question: what about fasttrack support? I installed some packages with support for fasttrack, runed server, then apollon. I was waiting about 20 minutes and it still can't connect fasttrack. Is this normal? Or maybe I have done someting wrong? |
| 16:10.15 | dimir | damn dj's. |
| 16:10.21 | dimir | !nickometer DJ-Marcuzz |
| 16:10.23 | dpkg | 'DJ-Marcuzz' is 34.000% lame, dimir |
| 16:10.28 | dimir | !nickometer DJCapelis |
| 16:10.29 | dpkg | 'DJCapelis' is 27.000% lame, dimir |
| 16:10.34 | dimir | right. |
| 16:10.41 | will851 | How do I kill a D java_vm process? |
| 16:10.56 | dimir | Wille88: with SIGKILL |
| 16:10.58 | stouset | nvz: I find the best way of explaining Make to people is simply saying, "Make can do anything, including besting Chuck Norris in a roundhouse-kicking contest. Unfortunately, the knowledge to accomplish such with Make would take roughly seven millennia to acquire. |
| 16:11.01 | Sander-nl | !java-package |
| 16:11.02 | dpkg | hmm... java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 16:11.07 | DJCapelis | dimir: it's inside a chroot, the perms are fine but perm denied will still happen. Shouldn't be relevant, should it? |
| 16:11.38 | DJCapelis | (and why is dpkg saying I'm lame? :-P) |
| 16:11.41 | dimir | DJCapelis: check the perms of dev/null being in a chroot. |
| 16:11.49 | nvz | stagger: the different network libraries all connect to different types of servers that speak different protocols. they may do various things like establish lists of known good host, ban certain hosts..etc usually it will take some plugins a while to find and establish a list of good nodes. until you can have a steady connection to multiple leaf nodes you really cant do much |
| 16:11.50 | DJCapelis | dimir: rwrwrw |
| 16:11.56 | dimir | DJCapelis: not you, your nick. |
| 16:12.05 | Sander-nl | I installed JDK java.. what if I want JRE? Is it hard removing the java I just intstalled? |
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| 16:12.42 | nvz | stagger: the nice thing is having four plugins now that all are fully fucntional as far as searching, and downloading and even sharing as well. so you have a better chance of being able to utilize some kind of sharing. |
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| 16:12.44 | stew | Sander-nl: the jdk contains a jre |
| 16:12.51 | Sander-nl | hmm |
| 16:13.05 | Sander-nl | Do I need to configure it after install? |
| 16:13.06 | stew | Sander-nl: if you installed it using make-jpkg, removeing it is just like removing any other debian package |
| 16:13.11 | Sander-nl | limewire for example doesn't work |
| 16:13.18 | stew | Sander-nl: you don't need to configure it |
| 16:13.19 | sophie^ | hi can anyone help me on how to remove a service in the runlevel? |
| 16:13.35 | stew | Sander-nl: if you want us to help you you need to be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 16:13.47 | nvz | stagger: you should make sure they are configured properly as well.. each plugin has its own configuration with ports and such.. if you are behind a nat you may need to forward them and some plugins even require you tell them that they are masqueraded |
| 16:13.59 | DJCapelis | dimir: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 24 15:51 /dev/null |
| 16:14.08 | Sander-nl | Something went wrong with LimeWire. |
| 16:14.09 | Sander-nl | Maybe you're using the wrong version of Java? |
| 16:14.09 | Sander-nl | (LimeWire is tested against and works best with with Sun's JRE, Java 1.4+) |
| 16:14.09 | Sander-nl | The version of Java in your PATH is: |
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| 16:14.10 | will851 | kill -SIGKILL no. and its still there dimir |
| 16:14.17 | nvz | stagger: you may have to look at the files in ~/.giFT to figure it all ouy |
| 16:14.28 | stagger | nvz ok, I will check it... |
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| 16:15.01 | dimir | DJCapelis: it's fine. Strange. |
| 16:15.11 | sophie^ | anyone please hear me out |
| 16:15.18 | dimir | DJCapelis: try the strace command (strace dbuild -d) |
| 16:15.26 | DJCapelis | dimir: kk |
| 16:15.50 | dimir | djecap: batter even: strace dbuild -d > /tmp/log 2>&1 |
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| 16:16.13 | dimir | djecap: and then open /tmp/log and find the '/dev/null' strings what's it trying to open. |
| 16:16.30 | Sander-nl | sorry didn't know it would paste all of it as seperate lines |
| 16:16.31 | nvz | stagger: I havent used one in a long time, but I know other people both on windows and linux who use gift. My father gets best results on windows with ares. I've seen linux boxes do better on Gnutella, and Fasttrack |
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| 16:16.35 | DJCapelis | dimir: http://pastebin.com/520741 |
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| 16:17.10 | ejofee_ | tarzeau: yes, it is beta, but quite stable. what gaim calls beta, other projects may call gold. |
| 16:17.29 | tarzeau | ejofee_: nice, but i don't like gaim |
| 16:17.39 | stew | Sander-nl: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 16:17.43 | tarzeau | ejofee_: you should ask the maintainer of gaim, you know how to find out who that is? |
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| 16:18.09 | stouset | tarzeau: They're in #gaim all the time. |
| 16:18.15 | stouset | tarzeau: Pretty helpful folk. |
| 16:18.22 | nvz | stagger: OpenFT is a filetorrent network its the only dfsg free one. its not as large in numbers of users and shared data though as fastrack |
| 16:18.23 | tarzeau | stouset: i really prefer #irssi |
| 16:18.30 | ejofee_ | tarzeau: why do you say so? |
| 16:18.43 | nvz | stagger: I'd say fasttrack is probably 10x or more what gnutella would be, and I dont really know about ares. |
| 16:18.47 | tarzeau | ejofee_: because gaim always gave me headaches, when i tried it 3 years ago, and 1 year ago |
| 16:18.48 | dimir | DJCapelis: Can't open perl script "-e": Permission denied <-- what the, it's interpreting perl option as a parameter (script). |
| 16:18.58 | dimir | DJCapelis: you got something broken there. |
| 16:18.59 | tarzeau | ejofee_: and it just doesn't work, or it's too stupidproof |
| 16:19.04 | tarzeau | ejofee_: it just doesn't like me |
| 16:19.07 | ejofee_ | tarzeau: headaches as a maintainer or as an user? |
| 16:19.09 | DJCapelis | dimir: right, that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 16:19.10 | dimir | DJCapelis: Try without the chroot |
| 16:19.12 | tarzeau | i even prefer amsn over amsn |
| 16:19.14 | tarzeau | err gaim |
| 16:19.16 | tarzeau | ejofee_: user |
| 16:19.26 | stouset | tarzeau: I really prefer having as few clients for things open as possible. So since I have gaim for AIM/MSN/Yahoo/ICQ/Jabber et al, it's just easier to use it for IRC too. |
| 16:19.27 | tarzeau | ejofee_: i don't use any gnome , nor any kde software |
| 16:19.43 | tarzeau | actually i try to get rid of all gtk/gtk2 software too, i don't use any, but some are installed still |
| 16:19.49 | azeem | great |
| 16:19.56 | azeem | for you |
| 16:20.00 | dimir | DJCapelis: and try running dpkg-buildpackage insteaf of debuild. |
| 16:20.05 | stouset | tarzeau: Bit motif fan? :P |
| 16:20.12 | tarzeau | stouset: absolutely not |
| 16:20.15 | dimir | DJCapelis: and do not ignore the build-deps |
| 16:20.16 | ejofee_ | tarzeau: well, i am very much surprised! i have problems with pretty much every app... gaim was not one of them. maybe your bad luck? or my good luck? :) |
| 16:20.18 | nvz | stagger: of course the reason certain people go to one network or the other usually depends on their client.. and if you got a lot of idiots using windows clients on that network.. chances are you are gonna have broken warez, pr0n, and shitty versions of other stolen media. |
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| 16:20.22 | kspath | centericq, pork, naim |
| 16:20.26 | DJCapelis | dimir: can't it needs to be inside a chroot :-P, but I moved past the error actually by rm'ing /dev/null and replacing it with a flatfile just now, a bit hackish, but will work... now it's hanging up on not finding dh_testdir |
| 16:20.36 | tarzeau | ejofee_: i don't know. |
| 16:20.40 | ejofee_ | tarzeau: gaim is gtk, not gnome |
| 16:20.42 | DJCapelis | dimir: I also need to ignore the build dependencies, I already changed the rules file |
| 16:20.56 | kspath | tarzeau: centericq, pork, naim |
| 16:20.57 | nvz | I say 1gb of what I am looking for is always better than 8TB of what I am not |
| 16:21.03 | stouset | tarzeau: Only console apps? |
| 16:21.05 | tarzeau | kspath: never tried them.. |
| 16:21.24 | tarzeau | stouset: no way, look at this to get an idea: http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png |
| 16:21.25 | FarrisG | I'm still getting this "openpty: No such file or directory" error in my auth log whenever I try to login via ssh. When the machine get rebooted, it works fine for a few days |
| 16:21.28 | DJCapelis | dimir: ah, got the package, I needed |
| 16:21.30 | tarzeau | stouset: but yes alot of console apps |
| 16:21.35 | kspath | tarzeau: you might like centericq or pork |
| 16:21.41 | DJCapelis | dimir: it's compiling now, thanks for the help |
| 16:21.48 | stouset | tarzeau: Ah, hehe. |
| 16:21.51 | nvz | http and ftp are still better than most of those p2p protocols.. they were never used for what they were intended.. or were they :P |
| 16:21.52 | dimir | jdcap: well, what can I say, happy hack/fsck-ing. |
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| 16:22.04 | dimir | DJCapelis too. |
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| 16:23.42 | kspath | tarzeau: I am surprised there is not an machine emulator running an irc server inside Emacs by now |
| 16:23.47 | DJCapelis | hrm, now debuild wants to sign the package with keys I don't have... any idea on how to disable the signing? I don't plan on distributing this package. |
| 16:24.03 | bipolar | is there any way to force fsck to automatily fix problems even if it doesn't want to? |
| 16:24.06 | nvz | DJCapelis: hmm is it maybe in the topic? |
| 16:24.12 | pipeline | bipolar: perhaps -y |
| 16:24.41 | DJCapelis | nvz: sure, if I was looking for a public key, debuild wants a private one, no? |
| 16:24.47 | bipolar | pipeline: that was it. thanks. -p and -a didn't work :\ |
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| 16:25.13 | pipeline | bipolar: most programs that ask questions have a -y switch, for "answer yes to everything, damnit" |
| 16:25.17 | nvz | DJCapelis: no idea all K now is that from where I am sitting I seen you ask about a key, and I seen one in the topic.. who knew if it would fit or not? |
| 16:25.28 | bipolar | it's probbly going to completely trash the file system, but I don't really care. it's just a test system that I screwed with. |
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| 16:25.59 | nvz | bipolar: thats just what he wants you to think. |
| 16:25.59 | tarzeau | kspath: i've meant gnustep not emacs :) |
| 16:26.00 | DJCapelis | nvz: :) |
| 16:26.07 | nvz | DJCapelis: hehe :P |
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| 16:26.41 | threat | emacs :S |
| 16:26.42 | threat | VI!!!! |
| 16:26.49 | bipolar | well, at least now I can read slashdot while it trashes the file system instead of holding down the 'y' key... |
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| 16:29.51 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 16:29.55 | dimir | hey! |
| 16:30.03 | nvz | DevilChaos: little bit |
| 16:30.15 | DevilChaos | what does a danggling symlink mean? |
| 16:30.23 | pipeline | DevilChaos: A symlink that goes nowhere. |
| 16:30.35 | DevilChaos | can i delete? |
| 16:30.37 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 16:30.48 | tarzeau | yes symlinks can be deleted |
| 16:30.58 | nvz | DevilChaos: its pointless not to, unless you plan on putting something at the other end |
| 16:30.59 | tarzeau | if they dangle or not |
| 16:31.04 | DevilChaos | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man3/open_memstream.3.gz is a dangling symlink |
| 16:31.05 | bipolar | DevilChaos: ln -s /bin/test /bin/test2; rm /bin/test <- /bin/test2 is dangling symlink. |
| 16:31.13 | tarzeau | nvz: maybe he collects dangling symlinks? |
| 16:31.29 | nvz | tarzeau: thats not the craziest thing I ever heard |
| 16:31.37 | pipeline | DevilChaos: The difference between a symlink and a hardlink |
| 16:31.39 | tarzeau | nvz: what is it? |
| 16:31.42 | pipeline | DevilChaos: is that a symlink is, in itself, a file. |
| 16:31.48 | zebalin4 | What is the command to config the font server. It brings up an ncurses screen. Can't remember it for the life of me |
| 16:31.49 | pipeline | DevilChaos: As such, it won't keep the file it points to alive. |
| 16:32.08 | pipeline | DevilChaos: A file exists as long as there are hardlinks to it. A symlink is a separate file unto itself -- if the file it points to is deleted, it dangles. |
| 16:32.23 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 16:32.33 | DevilChaos | delete it is then |
| 16:32.40 | patbrugge | ls |
| 16:32.45 | nvz | I 2nd cousin on my dads side got all the trash of like everything he ever bought in a room. like empty rolls from plastic wrap neatly tucked in the box and stacked up.. snickers wrappers folded on top of one another.. |
| 16:32.48 | nvz | tarzeau: ^ |
| 16:33.12 | nvz | Thats weirder than collecting dangling symlinks |
| 16:33.26 | tarzeau | yeah that's weird |
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| 16:34.07 | tarzeau | nvz: but we don't know if DevilChaos sorted his dangling symlinks by color, size and alphabetically. and how large his collection is |
| 16:34.10 | DevilChaos | any of you here today know about anon-proxy need help with the set up was here yesterday dont think anyone knew? |
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| 16:34.32 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: there's no package called anon-proxy |
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| 16:34.39 | nvz | I thought when his daughter said he collected trash years ago he like took bags of smelly garbage and brought them home.. but he actually neatly stores clean recyclable trash |
| 16:34.54 | DevilChaos | i currently have 550 billion 500 thousand 400 and 80 orange green blue and purple |
| 16:35.03 | DevilChaos | yes there is |
| 16:35.09 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah well I dont really know what his system is, but he gets pissed if you move it |
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| 16:35.40 | nvz | tarzeau: I am not sure what the point is.. if he is like waiting to cash in on recycling all at once for retirement or something.. heh |
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| 16:36.08 | nvz | tarzeau: his 401k is in garbage |
| 16:36.10 | nvz | heh |
| 16:36.14 | nvz | for all I know |
| 16:36.21 | DevilChaos | tarzeau : according to dpkg there is! |
| 16:36.34 | bipolar | holy crap... fsck is still 'fixing' things...there's no way it's going to survive. there might be 3 bits of data left by the time it's done. |
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| 16:36.56 | tarzeau | DevilChaos: ah true, looked on the wrong system |
| 16:37.06 | nvz | its a good idea though.. you can act like a slob, and have a justification, and one day a paycheck of like $28 heh |
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| 16:37.28 | DevilChaos | tarzeau : any help with setup? |
| 16:37.42 | tarzeau | nope, i'm going to catch the bus/train now |
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| 16:37.54 | nvz | by then you'll be all alone, because they would have realized that we dont have to recycle.. there's a perfectly good planet in the next solar system, and they all left :P |
| 16:38.24 | samuel | sup all |
| 16:38.29 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 16:39.20 | samuel | ive got an archive with something like 3500 files, is there any way to put it as an archive on a webserver (debian / proftpd) and uncompress it there? |
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| 16:39.47 | vhuren | can systems on different subnets access a samba share ? |
| 16:39.59 | pipeline | vhuren: Yes. |
| 16:40.09 | pipeline | vhuren: That's why we call it "internetworking protocol" |
| 16:40.11 | vhuren | do I need to allow those hosts or something? |
| 16:40.21 | pipeline | vhuren: You will, of course, need the appropriate routing infrastructure |
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| 16:40.59 | vhuren | pineline: lets say my subnet can ping the server but the server cant ping me |
| 16:40.59 | vhuren | ? |
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| 16:41.22 | pipeline | vhuren: I don't know how you managed to fuck up a network thaht badly. |
| 16:41.37 | vhuren | I have 192.168.0.X then another one 192.168.1.X |
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| 16:42.12 | lawnchair | samba doesnt care as long as it can get there |
| 16:42.13 | vhuren | 192.168.0.100 is the gateway for 192.168.1.X network |
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| 16:42.48 | lawnchair | just make sure yuor routing tables are correct |
| 16:42.52 | vhuren | ok |
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| 16:47.20 | user__ | hi, is there any howto descriging how to mount gmail on debian? |
| 16:47.33 | StylusEater_Work | can anyone help point me in the proper direction on a doc/howto regarding installing a minimal debian system on a 64 mb flash card? |
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| 16:47.51 | gau | hello all |
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| 16:48.07 | gau | is there a way to use an external dns server to the one provided by my isp ? |
| 16:48.11 | stew | StylusEater_Work: debian won't fit on a 64mb flash card |
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| 16:49.11 | StylusEater_Work | stew: what's the smallest I can shrink it? |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | 200MB .. if you try hard |
| 16:49.44 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work, abrotman : You can get it a lot smaller than 200M, it's just not a fantastic idea to do so. |
| 16:49.51 | StylusEater_Work | stew: can I not use the netinst cd and modify it? |
| 16:49.55 | StylusEater_Work | then build on that? |
| 16:50.20 | abrotman | pipeline: yeah .. things like .. less/more don't work :) |
| 16:50.27 | StylusEater_Work | I'm trying to create a trully modular system I can run on a touchscreen driven terminal with a 64mb flash card as it's primary disk |
| 16:50.35 | user__ | i have installed gmailfs python-fuse and python-libgmail |
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| 16:50.46 | user__ | i have also edited /etc/gmail/gmail.conf file |
| 16:50.57 | user__ | how do i mount it now |
| 16:50.59 | user__ | :) |
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| 16:51.19 | stew | StylusEater_Work: you would have to do something like alter the dpkg binary to not install docs, you should probably be looking at other distribution that are more taylored to what you are trying to do |
| 16:51.22 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: 64M, shiit, that's not much to work with. You need something rahter specialized for htat. |
| 16:51.23 | chealer_ | who needs more than pg? |
| 16:51.31 | edson | hi |
| 16:51.36 | edson | what? |
| 16:51.45 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: You could probably start by grabbing one of the installer images, based on busybox and dietlibc... |
| 16:52.23 | abrotman | busybox maybe ? |
| 16:52.26 | StylusEater_Work | stew & pipeline: I'm tired of fussing with dsl...and need something that I can modify on the fly |
| 16:52.36 | StylusEater_Work | and still maintain "some" standards with a major distro |
| 16:53.07 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: 64M is just so goddamn small that you really do need something specialized, because you won't be able to fit regular C runtimes. |
| 16:53.17 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: I would start with debootstrap in a chroot, then see what you can strip out by hand. |
| 16:53.25 | abrotman | !lfs |
| 16:53.26 | dpkg | methinks lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 16:53.29 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: e.g. replace coreutils with busybox |
| 16:54.18 | stew | StylusEater_Work: have you looked at any other alternatives to DSL, like feather maybe? or a custom knoppix remaster? |
| 16:55.01 | StylusEater_Work | stew: I've remastered dsl several times...and the more and more I take the more and more it breaks |
| 16:55.18 | StylusEater_Work | I want control over it from the ground up without using lfs |
| 16:55.27 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: debootstrap :P |
| 16:55.53 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: I apologize...but I've never heard of that... |
| 16:56.01 | StylusEater_Work | is it just a customized debian bootstrap? |
| 16:56.38 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: deboostrap is the name of the script/program that does debian bootstrapping. |
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| 16:56.52 | xNinja | hello... |
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| 16:57.21 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: gotchya...the other complicated thing is I'm working in a winxp/RHEL environment... |
| 16:57.27 | StylusEater_Work | so in order to build this sucker...it's gonna be a pain |
| 16:57.35 | xNinja | i did apt-get install netpbm...and its installed but how to run the program or how to know where the program is ? when i type netpbm it says the command wrong |
| 16:57.40 | miki | how can i copy files to my floppy under debian? i got some crap that file dont exist |
| 16:57.41 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: Oh, that is a pain. Get the VMware player image of the sarge netinstall :P |
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| 16:57.57 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: I do have access to a vmware setup...so I could do that |
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| 16:58.22 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: Well, vmware "player" is free anyway. You don't need access to anything because you can download both the player and the image from VMware VMTN :) |
| 16:58.24 | chealer_ | xNinja: dpkg -L netpbm; |
| 16:58.41 | miki | how can i copy files to my floppy under debian? i got some crap that file dont exist |
| 16:59.18 | edson | ok |
| 16:59.36 | chealer_ | miki: you mount the floppy and copy to its mountpoint |
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| 17:00.13 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: nothing in life is easy I tell ya |
| 17:00.23 | threat | pmount /media/floppy |
| 17:00.46 | miki | chealer: mount /dev/fd0/ then cd /media/floppy then cp /home/xyz/abc /media/floppy |
| 17:00.50 | miki | and im getting error |
| 17:00.56 | miki | fdd is mounted and working |
| 17:01.01 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: And this won't be, either. |
| 17:01.02 | miki | i can cp from fdd, but not to |
| 17:01.05 | miki | its not protected either |
| 17:01.06 | dsl_ | I installed x-window-system, xfree86 and xfce4, when I startx, I get... XIO: fatal IO error 104... |
| 17:01.13 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: I still don't see why you can't just rip X out of DSL and go from there... |
| 17:01.22 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: Oh, I guess you need X for the touch screen. |
| 17:01.22 | chealer_ | miki: we can't guess which error you're talking about |
| 17:01.35 | miki | chealer_: theres no errror, i just cant copy :( |
| 17:01.40 | pipeline | dsl_: Fatal IO error? That doesn't sound so good. Put your /var/log/Xfree86.0.log on www.pastebin.ca |
| 17:01.43 | miki | chealer_: says that file is not there |
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| 17:01.56 | chealer_ | miki: you said there was an error |
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| 17:02.21 | chealer_ | miki: please paste command and output |
| 17:02.21 | miki | chealer_: well, generally having no way to use floppy i error for me |
| 17:02.32 | gind2 | I get an error popup when loading Gnome - it says error, No Volume control elements and/or devices found?? What does this mean how can i fix i |
| 17:02.33 | xNinja | thanks chealer_ but i still have another question |
| 17:02.39 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: hmm...I could continue to remaster dsl piece by piece...but as far as maintenance goes...I'll have to baby it with security updates 24/7 |
| 17:02.42 | miki | chealer: mount /dev/fd0/ then cd /media/floppy then cp /home/xyz/abc.file /media/floppy |
| 17:02.52 | miki | cant find file |
| 17:02.53 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: If it's a terminal, what security could there possibly be? |
| 17:02.55 | StylusEater_Work | and potentially run into issues where things won't work after patch it |
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| 17:03.01 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: No local logins, no running daemons, nothing :P |
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| 17:03.26 | miki | floppy is also almost clean so its not hardware failure |
| 17:03.28 | dsl_ | pipeline : don't know how to do that |
| 17:03.31 | Silent_al | hi again, im still in a quest for a nice rss feeder , any suggestions? |
| 17:03.34 | chealer_ | miki: that looks like a lazy paste |
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| 17:03.43 | Newck | qmail vs postfix vs others... anyone? |
| 17:03.44 | Silent_al | rss reader* |
| 17:03.45 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: I use the word terminal loosely...we're going to have users using the touchscreen...to do multiple things...access the intranet, and use xterm |
| 17:03.46 | pipeline | dsl_: You open the file. You copy. You paste. |
| 17:03.58 | miki | chealer_: i cant paste anyway, im on windows now |
| 17:04.00 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: local logins? baaaad. |
| 17:04.03 | gind2 | Newck, i love my postfix |
| 17:04.07 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: that's the nature of the beast |
| 17:04.13 | dsl_ | It's on another machine, I have textmode only |
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| 17:04.19 | Newck | gind2: know of any advantages over qmail? |
| 17:04.21 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: we currently use these terminals for a dos based login |
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| 17:04.29 | StylusEater_Work | that then setups a telnet sessions to unix machines |
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| 17:04.30 | Newck | i've admin'd qmail for several years, no experience with postfix... wanna konw if it's better |
| 17:04.31 | StylusEater_Work | that's even worse |
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| 17:04.34 | chealer_ | miki: well, read cp's manpage then |
| 17:04.41 | mith | is there by default anywhere to add static routes to be added/removed on ifup/down without adding your own post-up/pre-down scripts? |
| 17:04.51 | StylusEater_Work | we could pursue the ltsp |
| 17:04.58 | bizkit | !start an mta war |
| 17:04.59 | dpkg | qmail sucks |
| 17:04.59 | StylusEater_Work | but I don't know if that's worth it since they're all wireless |
| 17:05.00 | gind2 | Newck, it was coded by IBM Wiess Wietman around a totally secure model, was then released for public use...ton of support and very stable |
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| 17:05.23 | Newck | bah, didn't want a war, just suggestions :) |
| 17:05.24 | stouset | Newck: Advantages over qmail? The license doesn't suck. It abides by the principle of being liberal in what you receive and strict in what you send. It doesn't require a mess of third-party patches. It's well documented. The authors actually fix security bugs rather than denying they exist... |
| 17:05.49 | mith | Newck: assuming when you're using qmail you're using things like the chckrcpt_to patches and such, then, unless you're doing filtering, postfix is about the same |
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| 17:06.15 | mith | Newck: the main difference you'll notice is that postfix allows for multiple queues which greatly simplifies various types of filtering |
| 17:06.22 | hueh | Newck: Unless you really need something not in qmail - why change? |
| 17:06.32 | Newck | ok. how about the learning curve... i was about to do qmail on my new box just because i *know* it |
| 17:06.38 | abrotman | qmail really is a pile of poo |
| 17:06.40 | miki | chealer_: could u give me command then? |
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| 17:06.46 | dhuv | hello all |
| 17:06.49 | mith | Newck: depending on the traffic/etc qmail tends to perform a little bit better than postfix in large volumes but that probably isn't a concern for you |
| 17:06.53 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: what if I were to take the stock knoppix image...pare it down...then slap fluxbox on it? |
| 17:07.03 | miki | http://www.ss64.com/bash/cp.html |
| 17:07.05 | Newck | mith: not at all. this is a personal server |
| 17:07.08 | chealer_ | miki: the command depends on what you want to do. we can only help if you paste the errore |
| 17:07.32 | dhuv | I have a very old hd which has a reiserfs partition (3.4) but I am not able to mount it with the "mount -t reiserfs -o conv ..." |
| 17:07.33 | mith | Newck: just thought I'd mention it to point out that not everyone speaking is a rabid djb hating nerd :P |
| 17:07.46 | dhuv | does anybody know if the -o conv works with reiserfs 3.4? |
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| 17:07.48 | miki | chealer_: theres no error at all :( |
| 17:07.52 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: knoppix is going to be extremely unpleasant. |
| 17:07.53 | stouset | mith: Of course not. Most of us are quite healthy djb hating nerds :P |
| 17:08.00 | mith | stouset: heh |
| 17:08.03 | chealer_ | miki: cp's output then |
| 17:08.07 | Newck | people who are a "rabid _ haters" will be ignored anyway :) |
| 17:08.17 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: I think all of those "hacked" distros are gonna be...case in point why I want to stay with debian as much as possible |
| 17:08.31 | miki | "cp /home/xyz/abc.file /media/floppy" is what im trying to do |
| 17:08.32 | hueh | Newck: Whatever is said - qmail is still without security issues after years and years. Who cares about djb - he makes great code - djbdns is great, so is qmail. |
| 17:08.38 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: Knoppix isn't meant to be easily modified. |
| 17:08.41 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: Sarge is. |
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| 17:08.50 | abrotman | hueh: because it hasn't been changed in years and years |
| 17:08.50 | Nwallins | hello, I have a python app (trac) that uses cgi (slow performance) on apache2. would i be better off installing python2.4-scgi or libapache2-mod-scgi? I may have a ruby app that I want apache2 to serve later... most of the ruby web stuff seems built around fcgi though. main concern is the python app |
| 17:08.53 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: at any rate, you would be better served by just getting a 512 flash card :p |
| 17:08.57 | mith | Newck: postfix really works like a sendmail with a non-retarded configuration mechanism (and under the hood, it works similar to qmail with it's small helper binaries that actually do all the work) |
| 17:09.01 | stouset | hueh: qmail has security issues. Ones that have gone unpatched for long periods of time. |
| 17:09.09 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: could I not install sarge...then strip everything out using dpkg...then install fluxbox...configure it...then burn an image...and make it bootable with the cloop driver? |
| 17:09.11 | hueh | abrotman: who cares |
| 17:09.15 | hueh | stouset: name them |
| 17:09.24 | abrotman | hueh: uhm .. maybe the people that use it? |
| 17:09.37 | mith | Newck: it handles the queue completely differently though, so definately read the documentation when setting it up, there's some gotchas when you're used to the way qmail does things. |
| 17:09.42 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: Making the liveCD is, uh, harder. I don't know how to do that. |
| 17:09.43 | Newck | features aside, postfix it is. i really ought to know it, anyway |
| 17:09.47 | abrotman | "Hi .. I'd like to use qmail .. I've put in the 267 patches i'd like to use .. it doesn't work .. why?" |
| 17:09.58 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: getting the minimal sarge install in a chroot and stripping things out of it is easy. |
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| 17:10.08 | pipeline | StylusEater_Work: As I mentioned, the deboostrap package is for that very purpose |
| 17:10.13 | stouset | http://www.insecure.org/sploits/qmail.DOS.rcpt.html, http://www.insecure.org/sploits/qmail.DOS.long_commands.html. Denial of service right there. Rather than fixing the underlying issue, DJB simply says to use softlimits. Of course, that's not documented anywhere or anything. |
| 17:10.17 | Newck | mith: there's just no way to be a lazy sysadmin :) |
| 17:10.27 | StylusEater_Work | pipeline: so the sarge vmware image is where? |
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| 17:10.28 | StylusEater_Work | haha |
| 17:10.57 | mith | StylusEater_Work: huh, install it in a new image with the net install cd? |
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| 17:11.07 | mummy-blues | hello world |
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| 17:11.10 | hueh | stouset: configuration issues, nothing more |
| 17:11.26 | stouset | hueh: *undocumented* configuration issues, that are insecure in the default install. |
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| 17:11.48 | ronin | *cough* systems running unpatched qmail, so its fixed i see |
| 17:12.09 | hueh | stouset: more could be done by the Debian packager, e.g. using rblsmtpd to block known spam hosts at connect time |
| 17:12.11 | stouset | hueh: It's perfectly fine if qmail expects you to have system limits set, but it needs to be *documented as such*. |
| 17:12.13 | Newck | postfix - difficult to run in chroot? |
| 17:12.18 | mith | stouset: um, it's documented in every qmail 'howto' I've ever seen |
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| 17:12.32 | stouset | mith: Ok. Haven't looked at qmail in awhile. It hadn't as of last time I looked. |
| 17:12.37 | mith | Newck: no, it has a way to do it pretty easily and sanely without creating a complete jail, in fact |
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| 17:12.44 | abrotman | hueh: afaik DEFAULT config .. which means the default config is useless |
| 17:12.45 | ronin | ok so who wants to go deploy xp computers this week? ive had enough fun doing it |
| 17:12.49 | Newck | mith: cool. |
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| 17:12.54 | abrotman | ronin: wanna trade? |
| 17:13.03 | hueh | stouset: http://cr.yp.to/docs/resources.html |
| 17:13.07 | ronin | abrotman: depends, what are you avoiding doing? :) |
| 17:13.08 | mith | stouset: all djb's examples (and everyone else's) has limits setup by default now i'm pretty sure (I could be wrong about djb's) |
| 17:13.10 | StylusEater_Work | k...off to blow up the machine |
| 17:13.10 | StylusEater_Work | haha |
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| 17:13.13 | abrotman | ronin: all my work? |
| 17:13.16 | StylusEater_Work | thx for the advice y'all |
| 17:13.17 | ronin | abrotman: heh |
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| 17:13.19 | damien_ | hye everybody |
| 17:13.28 | stouset | hueh: http://www.guninski.com/where_do_you_want_billg_to_go_today_4.html is an exploitable overflow that gives root, when you have a 64-bit machine with lots of memory. |
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| 17:13.46 | hueh | abrotman: default config is what the packager determines it will be - this is all setup in the init.d script - this is not part of qmail - it's supplied by the packager |
| 17:14.01 | mith | stouset: but the delivery process needs to allocate more than 2G of memory which isn't feasible or usually possible in a normal config |
| 17:14.08 | mith | s/or/or even/ |
| 17:14.23 | stouset | hueh: Also, to the best of my knowledge, DJB has never given out the $500 expressed in his guarantee to anyone who's actually found a security bug. |
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| 17:15.03 | stouset | mith: So? It's a security bug, plain and simple. The difficulty of achieving such a configuration notwithstanding. |
| 17:15.07 | ronin | perhaps they havent found a bug? :) or one that hasnt been patched |
| 17:15.21 | mith | stouset: i challenge you to find a qmail install where you can actually exploit it, then. |
| 17:15.30 | abrotman | hueh: read the damn license .. you're not allowed to package it |
| 17:15.31 | mith | stouset: without setting one up yourself purely to do so |
| 17:15.44 | abrotman | !info qmail sarge |
| 17:15.47 | abrotman | oh jeez .. nto there |
| 17:15.51 | abrotman | !info qmail-src sarge |
| 17:15.53 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-38 (sarge), Packaged size: 565 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
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| 17:15.57 | abrotman | hrm .. see |
| 17:16.03 | stouset | mith: Irrelevant. It's a security bug, and it's unpatched. He offered a bounty to anyone finding bugs. People have found bugs, and he denies them. |
| 17:16.22 | hueh | abrotman: the license does not affect the additional files - the init.d script is not part of qmail - it's supplied with the debian package |
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| 17:16.44 | ronin | mith: your just banging your head on a brick wall, minds are set in stone sometimes but then linux users can be like that |
| 17:16.56 | abrotman | hueh: so you filed a bug? |
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| 17:16.58 | hueh | stouset: the 64bit with 8GB of VM - is the first real exploit I'd agree is actually an exploit |
| 17:17.34 | useruser | are there any network monitoring tools that keep track of which processes are responsible for traffic? |
| 17:17.43 | hueh | sorry, abrotman - you're quite right. |
| 17:17.47 | stouset | hueh: I'm not saying qmail is riddled with security holes or anything. Only that DJB isn't as amazing a coder as he thinks he is. Undoubtedly, he's made some good software, but when someone brings up a security vulnerability, it needs to be patched and fix, no matter how unlikely the conditions. |
| 17:18.10 | mith | stouset: i agree that he should have paid the bounty, but he makes a strong argument (plus, he's djb, he's an asshole, of course he's not going to pay when he can justify not doing so to himself.) |
| 17:18.12 | mith | stouset: In May 2005, Georgi Guninski claimed that some potential 64-bit portability problems allowed a ``remote exploit in qmail-smtpd.'' This claim is denied. Nobody gives gigabytes of memory to each qmail-smtpd process, so there is no problem with qmail's assumption that allocated array lengths fit comfortably into 32 bits. |
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| 17:18.23 | mith | stouset: was djb's response to that exploit you're bandying about |
| 17:18.24 | hueh | stouset: yes, I agree but to my mind the 64bit w/ 8GB of mem is the first one I'd agree is actually a vuln |
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| 17:19.15 | stouset | mith: I'm aware of his response. My only contention is that security flaws *do* exist, and they've been largely ignored. |
| 17:19.16 | Newck | amazing how the financial security of so many companies (incl one i work for) rests on a personality like djb [grin] |
| 17:19.18 | hueh | mith: yes, that response is lame. |
| 17:19.45 | mith | stouset: that's the only 'security flaw' actually in qmail that's ever been even semi-valid |
| 17:19.50 | stouset | mith: And, if that's one of the constraints limiting deployment of qmail, then it should be documented. (again, he might have done this since the last time I've looked) |
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| 17:21.37 | stouset | mith: Weren't there some reports about a bounce flood DOS of some sort? i.e., qmail accepts mail destined for any user, spits out a 250 Ok, and *then* bounces if the user doesn't exist? |
| 17:21.41 | mith | hueh: it's accurate though, when have you seen a qmail install that didn't launch qmail-smtpd with a specific limit? |
| 17:21.58 | stouset | mith: i.e., send a 20mb attachment, it gets accepted, then bounced back as another 20mb wasted? |
| 17:22.00 | mith | stouset: that's not an exploit, that is rfc compliant |
| 17:22.07 | mith | stouset: it's just not desireable |
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| 17:22.43 | hueh | mith: the only experience I have is with the Debian package and the qmail/life-with howto's - and they all use this |
| 17:22.53 | stouset | mith: Shouldn't MTAs spit out a 550 unknown recipient in the case of an unknown user? |
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| 17:23.46 | mith | stouset: they don't have to. It's perfectly valid to accept and bounce on failure according to the rfc, it just sucks in today's internet with the assload of spam and such because it does waste quite a bit of resources |
| 17:23.52 | stouset | mith: It's an exploit when someone sends lots of large attachments with a forged MAIL FROM, causing you to use up bandwidth and possibly use up the bandwidth of a third party. |
| 17:23.58 | stouset | mith: Fair enough. = |
| 17:24.03 | mith | No, it's a DoS not an exploit |
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| 17:24.26 | mith | and since you're talking about the 'security garuntee' DoS's are explitly excluded, heh |
| 17:24.36 | stouset | mith: Point conceded :) |
| 17:24.46 | mith | stouset: anyways, there's a very well done patch that will make qmail send 550s on unknown users |
| 17:24.56 | stouset | Then again, one might wonder about the value of a security guarantee that omits popular attacks :) |
| 17:25.11 | kspath | useruser: yes, and we see what you are doing. STOP IT! |
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| 17:25.30 | mith | stouset: heh, I think he has a point on the dos thing, find an MTA that doesn't have several dos vulnerabilities or hasn't in the past :P |
| 17:26.14 | mith | that's just a liability of handling email |
| 17:26.50 | melao- | is there any good print quota system for cups in sarge? |
| 17:26.52 | mith | stouset: by the way, I prefer postfix for my own stuff anyways. :) |
| 17:26.53 | stouset | mith: I suppose. But in doing so, he doesn't make it any harder for anyone who wants to do a DOS. |
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| 17:27.23 | useruser | kspath: ... i'll take that as a no, then |
| 17:27.37 | useruser | kspath: woulda thought it'd be easy to write, though. |
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| 17:28.13 | mith | but anyways, back to why i decided to look at this channel today ... :P |
| 17:28.17 | kspath | useruser: yes, there are such things because they are writable go do research or write one now. |
| 17:28.38 | mith | Is tehre something like /etc/network/interfaces that will let me define per-interface routes that will come up/down with the if* scripts? |
| 17:28.53 | mith | or am I just going to have to use post-up/pre-down scripts |
| 17:29.11 | stouset | mith: I think you're gonna have to doing post-up/pre-down. |
| 17:29.18 | useruser | kspath: i tried searching and failed. got any good googlable keywords? |
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| 17:29.27 | dbron | !fable |
| 17:29.28 | dpkg | [fable] http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 17:29.39 | mith | stouset: figured |
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| 17:29.48 | stouset | mith: That's what I've done in the past, at any rate. |
| 17:29.49 | stew | mith: put the route for the interface into an "up" line in interfaces |
| 17:29.55 | mith | stouset: that's something that should really be added |
| 17:30.15 | mith | stew: what do you mean? these aren't gateways, they're just weird random static routes :P |
| 17:30.33 | kspath | useruser: C asm perl python |
| 17:30.44 | useruser | bah |
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| 17:30.51 | stouset | mith: Yeah :\ |
| 17:30.55 | stew | mith: so add a line to the interface definition like "up ip route add..." or "up route add -net..." |
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| 17:31.34 | melao- | does anyone know any reliable print quota system? |
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| 17:31.46 | mith | stew: well, it's several (>50 in some cases) per interface so if I have to do that i'll use post-up/pre-down |
| 17:31.50 | TheBonsai | !fable |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | fable is, like, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
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| 17:32.11 | JPQuiceno | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.21 | CoffeeIV | apt-get question: in general, if I install something that has an error during the installation so that it starts blocking all installs of other packages, how can I get rid of the failed package from the list it attempts to install, so I can proceed ? |
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| 17:32.29 | mith | JPQuiceno: a linux cd and an old computer is the cheapest |
| 17:32.30 | ronin | best and cheapest? aren't those usually mutally exclusive |
| 17:32.34 | JPQuiceno | mith: LOL |
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| 17:32.40 | ronin | not counting our personal machines of course |
| 17:32.42 | mith | JPQuiceno: that wasn't a joke |
| 17:33.00 | JPQuiceno | mith: no. i don't need to run some pseudo m0n0 wall computer for my shell |
| 17:33.10 | JPQuiceno | mith: i need a reliable host |
| 17:33.28 | JPQuiceno | any good hosts? |
| 17:33.32 | JPQuiceno | that someone can tell me of? |
| 17:33.36 | ronin | JPQuiceno: search online theres literally hundreds of them out there |
| 17:33.46 | JPQuiceno | i just thought someone had a favorite... |
| 17:33.47 | JPQuiceno | :) |
| 17:34.04 | mith | JPQuiceno: no, there are no good ones unless you actually colo/rent a dedicated server. Why? because noone needs such a thing |
| 17:34.20 | JPQuiceno | ..... |
| 17:34.28 | kspath | mith: there are occasions for such things. |
| 17:34.31 | ronin | mith: i think they meant rent/purchase space on one |
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| 17:37.18 | bleaked | hello, how would one go about setting up dmix? |
| 17:37.26 | Silent_al | hi, is there a Knewsticker equivalent for gtk? |
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| 17:39.32 | cahoot | bleaked: chances are it's already setup - depending on kernel version |
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| 17:42.39 | bleaked | cahoot. i don't think it is, considering i cannot play more than one audio stream at once. (ie, if music is playing, and i go to watch a video in website i get a /dev/dsp error) |
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| 17:43.07 | cahoot | bleaked: try aplay -D"plug:dmix" <some.wav> |
| 17:43.45 | cahoot | bleaked: OTOH I doubt dmix handles /dev/dsp |
| 17:44.09 | nvz | wtf, somehow a site just dissapeared from my saved passwords list in firefox _while_ I was on it |
| 17:44.12 | bleaked | ok, well it's what someone in here recommended last night.. |
| 17:44.34 | stew | bleaked: what card are you using? what are you using to play music? |
| 17:44.38 | bleaked | cahoot. basically, i want to be able to play audio from any program at any time..regardless if it overlaps. |
| 17:44.41 | cahoot | bleaked: /dev/dsp is used by apps written for oss |
| 17:44.42 | Vince35 | cahoot, what means OTOH pleas ? (o: |
| 17:44.48 | houn | On the Other Hand |
| 17:44.54 | Vince35 | thx ! |
| 17:45.08 | bleaked | soundblaster pci 128, amarok (both the xine and gstreamer do this) |
| 17:45.36 | bleaked | stew. ^^ |
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| 17:46.33 | cahoot | bleaked: grep playback /proc/asound/pcm |
| 17:47.35 | bleaked | cahoot. the aplay command you asked me to try worked. |
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| 17:48.00 | bleaked | $ grep playback /proc/asound/pcm |
| 17:48.01 | bleaked | 00-00: ES1371/1 : ES1371 DAC2/ADC : playback 1 : capture 1 |
| 17:48.01 | bleaked | 00-01: ES1371/2 : ES1371 DAC1 : playback 1 |
| 17:48.01 | bleaked | 01-00: VIA 82C686A/B rev20 : VIA 82C686A/B rev20 : playback 1 : capture 1 |
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| 17:48.36 | cahoot | bleaked: yes you need dmix or arts or esd do play > 1 sound |
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| 17:48.44 | bleaked | sorry |
| 17:49.32 | cahoot | bleaked: so dmix is enabled |
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| 17:50.15 | miki | anyone can tell me how to copy files to floppy ? |
| 17:50.33 | cahoot | bleaked: but as far as I know only alsa aware apps can use it |
| 17:50.34 | nvz | miki: cp |
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| 17:50.44 | miki | cp /home/xyz/my.file /media/floppy wont work :( |
| 17:50.49 | bleaked | cahoot. ok..so do i have to configure it further to allow some sort of mixing support..i mean..it's really annoying listening to music..and a sound will play on a website or something..and then when my media player gets to the next track, it doesn't play. |
| 17:50.50 | humbletech99 | does anybody here know anything about PAM rules? |
| 17:50.51 | miki | says file doesnt exist |
| 17:50.59 | Zerial | miki, mount fdX and "cp" files |
| 17:51.10 | bipolar | using the -l option in tar will keep it from trying to tar up /proc since that is a seperate file system, right? |
| 17:51.15 | miki | Zerial, floppy is mounted |
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| 17:51.26 | humbletech99 | I'm trying to allow only 1 group of users to log in, but so far it isn't working, the line I'm using in system-auth is: |
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| 17:51.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 17:51.31 | Zerial | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.32 | miki | i can copy files from it but i cant copy files onto |
| 17:51.34 | miki | yah |
| 17:51.35 | humbletech99 | account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so gid=15020 |
| 17:51.38 | Ungy | you mounted floppy shouldn't you be hard when you mount? |
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| 17:52.10 | miki | its not protected/full/bad either, sience it works in windows |
| 17:52.16 | cahoot | bleaked: I'd suggest minimize the pain by getting a better soundcard |
| 17:52.18 | nvz | Ungy: "shouln't you be hard" ? |
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| 17:52.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | i ahve crashed apt-get how do i kill its remains that block the tetry to install samba? |
| 17:52.41 | Ungy | nvz bad joke |
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| 17:52.55 | nvz | who's joking? |
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| 17:53.13 | miki | anyway, brb i will try to use mv istead of cp and i willtry some parameters |
| 17:53.15 | s1lent_al | :( |
| 17:53.24 | ariel | Hi, does anyone could help me, I deleted /dev/psaux file from my system accidentally, now mouse does not work even after reconfigure entirely X system |
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| 17:53.38 | resiak | recreate it then! |
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| 17:53.39 | jair | hello masters |
| 17:53.39 | miki | sec, how about this? "$ cp -f /mnt/floppy/* /home/simon" |
| 17:53.45 | resiak | !makedev |
| 17:53.46 | dpkg | well, makedev is fixed now |
| 17:53.48 | resiak | :( |
| 17:53.52 | miki | i found on ss64/bash |
| 17:53.58 | resiak | ariel: man MAKEDEV |
| 17:54.08 | Ungy | nvs I was |
| 17:54.26 | bleaked | cahoot. well yea..i'd love to..but im very poor and honestly cannot justify a new soundcard when the current one works. i had no trouble for two years w/ gentoo, and now suddenly i go debian and it's choking. now, given, i was using xfce/xmms w/ gentoo, and now im using kde/amarok, so could that have something to do w/ it? should i install a sound daemon? |
| 17:54.27 | ariel | resiak: thanks, gonna try it. be right back |
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| 17:54.47 | gary | Guys, I am trying to gain access to my digital camera through the usb. I plugged it in, and checked dmesg, which said this "usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" |
| 17:54.53 | gary | Any ideas how I could access it? |
| 17:55.02 | s1lent_al | hi, im looking for a rss reader like knewsticker, but for gtk .. |
| 17:55.06 | cahoot | bleaked: artsd might do what you want |
| 17:55.08 | resiak | !usbstorage |
| 17:55.09 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 17:55.13 | nvz | Ungy: ah.. took me a while but I think I got it |
| 17:55.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone anyone?? |
| 17:55.17 | bleaked | cahoot. i mean, i have 28 gb of total hd space...and that's from three hard drives..im poor man. |
| 17:55.29 | bleaked | cahoot. i heard arts is dead though.. |
| 17:55.31 | resiak | !tell gary -about vfatrw |
| 17:55.48 | cahoot | bleaked: dying maybe |
| 17:56.02 | Ungy | nvz i take it I didn;t even get a chuckle out of you since it slipped by you for so long |
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| 17:56.11 | resiak | bleaked: You could use ALSA and dmix |
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| 17:56.27 | cahoot | resiak: to access /dev/dsp? |
| 17:56.28 | resiak | !tell bleaked -about dmix |
| 17:56.53 | s-andy | hi, how can i get window names list from command line? |
| 17:57.00 | resiak | cahoot: If apps only do OSS, they can be wrapped with `aoss` and hence go through alsa and hence dmix. |
| 17:57.20 | cahoot | bleaked: ^ |
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| 17:57.48 | bleaked | resiak. ok..how does one wrap apps w/ aoss? |
| 17:57.58 | rend | why doesnt my vim show colors when editing files? |
| 17:58.22 | will851 | gary gphoto2 |
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| 17:58.39 | azeem | rend: are you sure it's vim and not some other vi clone? |
| 17:58.43 | gary | thanks will851 |
| 17:58.52 | dotCOMmie | miki: did you sort out the problem? |
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| 17:59.00 | gary | What if insmod usb-storage can not find it? Do I have to apt-get it ? I'm just trying to update my apt at the minute |
| 17:59.12 | azeem | gary: use modprobe |
| 17:59.46 | saintiss | hi |
| 17:59.49 | stew | rend: ":syntax on" if you want that permanant put "syntax on" in your .vimrc, if you want it to be global edit /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 17:59.58 | saintiss | how can I pipe sound to a fifo file? |
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| 18:00.08 | will851 | gary you need usb-stoage in your kernel |
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| 18:00.43 | resiak | bleaked: man aoss |
| 18:01.08 | brav | saintiss: check out sox |
| 18:01.16 | brav | saintiss: apt-cache show sox |
| 18:01.21 | bleaked | resiak. ok, thanks..yea..i just read that on what dpkg sent me |
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| 18:02.28 | ronove | Hi, I'm trying to apt-get install kde but it won't work, probably cause I forgot to install the official 3.4 release before installing kde-3.5.0 from alioth |
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| 18:02.36 | ronove | how could I fix it? |
| 18:02.43 | bleaked | resiak. do you think i need to restart anything once i set up that dmix config file? |
| 18:02.59 | resiak | bleaked: Anything that's using alsa, I suspect. Been a long, long time since I did it |
| 18:03.24 | saintiss | brav: thanks |
| 18:03.24 | rend | stew: thanks |
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| 18:04.37 | mikol | ok, floppy works.. i was forced to type modprobe floppy, althro i had it in "autostart" alread y:( |
| 18:04.59 | cahoot | bleaked: this might help: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-audio-dev%40music.columbia.edu/msg12005.html |
| 18:05.03 | saintiss | brav: hmm, sox /dev/dsp fifo doesn't seem to work |
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| 18:05.13 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 18:05.13 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:05.38 | saintiss | sox: Unknown output file format for 'fifo': Filetype was not specified |
| 18:06.20 | ronove | resiak: It tells me it needs kdenetwork, but I can't get that either |
| 18:07.27 | ronove | resiak: you asked me to define 'it' |
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| 18:08.53 | brav | saintiss: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:08.57 | adii | i wish someone could tell me an easy-to-set-up wifi card , working with debian |
| 18:09.28 | secher | has anyone heard of jfs corrupting the fs on a laptop, i.e. not being able to handle the power cycling? |
| 18:09.44 | besonen | i've installed apache, postgresql, and php4 on stable. these are required for an app that i'll be testing. when i attempt to run a php test script apache offers it to the browser as a download rather than executing it. |
| 18:09.44 | besonen | i've checked the httpd.conf file per someone's suggestion and things seem to be order in there although i probably wouldn't know if anything was out of place or missing. it did appear that by default associations for php4 files were disabled. so i enabled them with these lines: |
| 18:09.44 | besonen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.44 | besonen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.05 | secher | has anyone heard of jfs corrupting the fs on a laptop, i.e. not being able to handle the power cycling? |
| 18:10.06 | saintiss | brav: well, I'm trying to use that fifo as an -audiofile to mencoder... in other words, I need that fifo to be a file (e.g. mp3 or wav or ...) which another program can play just like that |
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| 18:10.46 | bleaked | cahoot. resiak, ok..none of the dmix stuff is working..however, i switched to artsd and everything is working flawless...so idk. |
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| 18:12.06 | besonen | whoops, pasted a bit too much. sorry about that. if anyone replied to my php4 question in the last minute i missed you response. |
| 18:12.06 | abrotman | secher: some journaled FSs have a problem with power going away |
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| 18:12.25 | mith | um |
| 18:12.26 | _dylan | anybody: Is it possible to setup wildcard DNS on your localhost ? |
| 18:12.30 | mith | what's going on with security.debian.org ? |
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| 18:12.43 | abrotman | besonen: did you install libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 18:12.46 | Snadder | hi.. can anyone tell me how I can create a customized debian install iso.. with some packages of my own.. ? |
| 18:12.46 | mith | oh, bah, they're not ftp mirrors |
| 18:13.00 | crypt_ex | What is /etc/init.d/rmnologin and is it needed? |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 18:13.00 | dpkg | custom netinst is, like, http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
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| 18:14.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | !reconfigure |
| 18:14.08 | dpkg | somebody said reconfigure was really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 18:14.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | !config remove |
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| 18:14.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:14.47 | dpkg | methinks dpkg-reconfigure is a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 18:14.50 | brav | saintiss: mencoder should be able to handle the real file without putting it into a fifo |
| 18:14.55 | Snadder | abrotman, not installing.. but creating an iso. |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | mkisofs ? |
| 18:15.10 | besonen | abrotman: i did attempt to install libapache-mod-php4 and was told it was already installed. i assume it got installed when i installed php4. |
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| 18:15.35 | abrotman | Snadder: those tell you how to create a custom netinst .. i suppose you could use ISO CD1 and do more if you want |
| 18:15.43 | abrotman | besonen: and if you try a phpinfo() page ? |
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| 18:16.03 | brav | saintiss: the -audiofile option takes a filename |
| 18:16.07 | zebalin4 | Question. I was able to to apt-get install hal at command line. But with synaptic it was held. What does synaptic look at to see 'held' packages? |
| 18:16.16 | Snadder | abrotman, hmm. okay.. thx.. |
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| 18:16.30 | _dylan | wildcard DNS on localhost ? anybody ? going once... going twice... :) |
| 18:16.59 | abrotman | ask #dns ? .. though i'm not sure it's relevant to them |
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| 18:17.07 | ronove | (how can I set the shell language to english for only this session? (xfce)) |
| 18:17.12 | uv|hus | hello, im trying to setup a NIS server/client, i "think" the server was setup correctly and so the client, but i cant login on the client using the usernames on the server (yet), is there anything i have to do other than installing the nis on the server and on the client |
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| 18:17.34 | brav | saintss: you can pipe output from sox or mpg123 or whatever command that will print audio to stdout to a fifo that you've made with mkfifo |
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| 18:17.42 | moshii | ronove: LANG=en_US <program to run> |
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| 18:17.47 | saintiss | brav: hmm, are you sure? specifying /dev/dsp as audiofile doesn't give me an error, and I hear the sound through the speakers, but I get no output from mencoder |
| 18:17.53 | moshii | ronove: or en_GB if you speak real English |
| 18:18.10 | ronove | moshii: oh, ghaha, thanks |
| 18:19.08 | saintiss | brav: actually, mencoder just hangs in that case, before it should do: |
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| 18:19.27 | saintiss | 89 audio & 203 video codecs |
| 18:19.31 | saintiss | well, that's the last line it prints |
| 18:19.36 | saintiss | so no output, because it hangs there |
| 18:19.50 | saintiss | without -audiofile, I get output, but only video, no sound |
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| 18:20.21 | will851 | !apt |
| 18:20.21 | dpkg | i guess apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.', or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 18:22.14 | brav | saintiss: what are you using to play the sound file on /dev/dsp? |
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| 18:23.03 | mikol | anyone know how to config USB intellimouse under Xfree86(for debian) ? |
| 18:23.37 | saintiss | brav: there is no sound file at this point, there is an external cable on my tv card, which is connected to my sound card. so whenever there is tv, there is sound coming through the soundcard via line-in... I was guessing I had to access /dev/dsp then |
| 18:24.11 | brav | saintiss: ah, I get it now |
| 18:24.25 | zebalin4 | Why are some of my font letters (in FreeSans) getting a red-brown outline. (the 't'). I took off sub-pixel hinting in kde. |
| 18:25.37 | brav | saintiss: have you tried running the command as root? |
| 18:25.55 | brav | saintiss: or are you in the audio group? |
| 18:26.30 | saintiss | brav: I'm in the audio group indee |
| 18:26.33 | saintiss | indeed |
| 18:26.53 | abrotman | maybe ask #debian-kde .. |
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| 18:28.21 | Elly | hey guys, what's the name of the scheme package? |
| 18:28.28 | Elly | the 'right' one |
| 18:28.32 | Elly | there are a lot of them |
| 18:28.45 | pipeline | Elly: drscheme ? |
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| 18:28.57 | Elly | not mzscheme? |
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| 18:29.00 | Elly | or scheme48? |
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| 18:29.26 | Thanatermesis | OT: how to know what op's are available for a channel ? |
| 18:29.43 | LinuxNIT-laptop | can you set a script to execute when a user logs in regardless of the Wm or desktop used? |
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| 18:29.55 | Elly | LinuxNIT-laptop: xinitrc? |
| 18:30.09 | LinuxNIT-laptop | k ill look into it thanks |
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| 18:31.13 | Ungy | Thanatermesis, why do you need to know you goign to insult someone and want to make sure they are nto an Op? |
| 18:31.48 | dr1v3r | ok guys i have more than one IP on my box and when i setup the eth0 do i set it up as eth0 1st IP then eth0:2 2nd IP and so on? |
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| 18:32.43 | LinuxNIT-laptop | isnt the .xinitrc file in my home dir? or could i not have one? |
| 18:32.46 | rend | i need sqlite or -lsqlite... yet i cant seem to find it in any debian package. any ideas? |
| 18:32.53 | Snow | with what package I could rezise picture photo let's say to 640/360 ? |
| 18:33.08 | abrotman | imagemagick |
| 18:33.19 | abrotman | rend: you need a -dev package probably |
| 18:33.21 | rend | Snow: imagemagick |
| 18:33.31 | rend | abrotman: already installed it |
| 18:33.49 | abrotman | ldconfig ? |
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| 18:34.37 | abrotman | rend: can you see what file make/configure are looking for ? |
| 18:34.37 | rend | abrotman: didnt help.. ruby extconf.rb install sqlite\nchecking for main() in -lsqlite... no |
| 18:34.37 | rend | checking for sqlite.h... no |
| 18:34.47 | abrotman | sarge? |
| 18:34.52 | rend | yep |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | !find sqlite.h sarge |
| 18:35.00 | accura2k | "telinit 3" in testing doesn't shutdown xorg, what is going wrong? |
| 18:35.06 | abrotman | accura2k: it shouldn't |
| 18:35.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sqlite.h' (5 of 10): (/usr/include/sqlite.h) in libdevel/libsqlite0-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/cl-sql/html/sqlite.html) in devel/cl-sql ;; (/usr/share/doc/pdns-doc/html/gsqlite.html) in doc/pdns-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgdal-doc/ogr/drv_sqlite.html) in doc/libgdal-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/ref.sqlite.html) in non-free/doc/phpdoc. |
| 18:35.12 | abrotman | accura2k: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 18:35.24 | accura2k | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:35.25 | rend | abrotman: i already did an updatedb;locate sqlite.h |
| 18:35.28 | abrotman | rend: you got that first one? libsqlite0-dev ? |
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| 18:36.02 | abrotman | !tell miki about root |
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| 18:36.14 | rend | abrotman: no libsqlite3-dev |
| 18:36.25 | rend | abrotman: it seemed like a different version than what i have installed |
| 18:36.45 | Snow | and why some gallery's require some kind of 'gd' ? |
| 18:36.49 | abrotman | rend: are you sure you're on sarge? |
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| 18:36.54 | Snow | do it makes thumbails |
| 18:37.00 | Snow | but it doesn't resize the photo yeah? |
| 18:37.02 | abrotman | Snow: libgd of some soft .. gd is a graphics library |
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| 18:37.38 | rend | abrotman: pretty sure, how do i check? i do have a few other backports installed. |
| 18:37.53 | abrotman | rend: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:38.11 | rend | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 18:38.21 | abrotman | rend: and then .. apt-cache policy libsqlite0 .. what's the url ? |
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| 18:38.22 | user__ | does anyone use gmailfs? |
| 18:38.27 | user__ | im haging problesm with it |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | or libsqlite3 .. whichever you have installed |
| 18:38.50 | Thanatermesis | Ungy o_O' its for know "what person i need to call if the channel needs a op" |
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| 18:38.53 | abrotman | as in .. dpkg -l | grep libsqlite |
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| 18:39.18 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: in this channel or in general ? |
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| 18:39.20 | besonen | abrotman: if i load a phpinfo() page, firefox (on w2k - i'm configuring apache/php4 on a linode.com account from a w2k box) offers me the option of opening or saving the php file while lynx (via ssh to the linode) displays an empty page (albeit with the correct title). |
| 18:39.20 | besonen | note: the above occurs when i put my php test script into the index.html file. if however i rename index.html to index.php then lynx will offer me the option of downloading the file. firefox behaves the same regardless. |
| 18:39.20 | besonen | fwiw, i'm using the test script halfway down this page: http://www.awtrey.com/tutorials/dbeweb/debian.php |
| 18:39.20 | besonen | it's basically phpinfo(). |
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| 18:39.30 | Ungy | Thanatermesis, yeah what abrotman said |
| 18:39.35 | rend | abrotman: 500 http://debian.oregonstate.edu stable/main Packages |
| 18:39.53 | abrotman | besonen: stop pasting in here |
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| 18:40.05 | abrotman | besonen: clear your browser cache |
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| 18:40.10 | besonen | abrotman: sorry, i didn't think it was that much. |
| 18:41.11 | Alexandar_ | what might cause http://pastebin.com/520961 using make-kpkg |
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| 18:41.38 | Alexandar_ | trying to compile 2.6.12 |
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| 18:42.19 | rend | abrotman: should i try installing the older lib? |
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| 18:43.25 | besonen | abrotman: i'll clear the cache shortly (linode temporarily became unavailable). btw, if that doesn't work what next step would you recommend for trouble-shooting this problem? |
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| 18:43.34 | Konky | doh |
| 18:43.40 | Konky | i forgot how to correct the PaX libc6 problem |
| 18:43.45 | Konky | anyone got a fast hint ? |
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| 18:43.47 | moox | hi there |
| 18:43.53 | Konky | sys is nearly dead now ;/ |
| 18:43.59 | moox | Which file contains the hostname of the computer ? |
| 18:44.00 | Snow | what is an web converter, for example I upload photo and it converts it to my wanted size? |
| 18:44.06 | Snow | because in the console is very boring |
| 18:44.09 | gimf | Heya peeps... are there any database or homepage to see what debian supports like motherboards and so? i have an complete new system... and i'm thinking if i should go with the stable or the test version of debian |
| 18:44.12 | rend | abrotman: weird.. it worked if i installed the older libs... |
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| 18:44.19 | abrotman | rend: odd indeed |
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| 18:44.26 | user__ | does anyone use gmailfs? :) |
| 18:44.44 | user__ | or used to use |
| 18:44.55 | user__ | or at least was about to use |
| 18:44.56 | pipeline | user__: gmailfs doesn't work. |
| 18:44.58 | rend | abrotman: no i have to check if the compiled stuff works with sqlite3 |
| 18:45.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | im having a little problem: when i start my server it boots and after the boot it shows an login screen into the X-server, but when i enter passw and username and hit enter the screen goes black for a second and then comes back to that login screen, whats heppaning? ow and i did install x-window-system and xfce4 becaus i have that running with vnc, but i did apt-get upgrade at an later data but i had backports.org without restrictions i |
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| 18:45.18 | user__ | pipeline: on debian or in general? |
| 18:45.24 | dr1v3r | anyone tell me how to save IP address after they have been allocated to eth0:1 so that when the machine is rebooted it does not loose them? |
| 18:45.25 | pipeline | user__: in general. |
| 18:45.37 | starfishy | DJ-marcuzz: that can have any number of reasons |
| 18:45.37 | user__ | pipeline: they say it does actuall |
| 18:45.40 | user__ | work |
| 18:45.40 | pipeline | dr1v3r: You're not supposed to be able to. |
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| 18:45.51 | pipeline | dr1v3r: man interfaces |
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| 18:45.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | could you help me out repair it? |
| 18:46.00 | pipeline | user__: the exploit has been closed |
| 18:46.02 | starfishy | DJ-marcuzz: does the user have write permissions on his own home directory? |
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| 18:46.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | its root |
| 18:46.11 | dr1v3r | tx i couldnt think of what the man page was, i was trying eth0 :( |
| 18:46.14 | user__ | pipeline: what exploit? |
| 18:46.22 | pipeline | user__: The exploit that allowed gmailfs to work. |
| 18:46.25 | starfishy | you are logging in as root? |
| 18:46.31 | starfishy | dont do that |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | rend: uhm .. ok |
| 18:46.33 | starfishy | try it as a user |
| 18:47.00 | user__ | pipeline: so google did something to prevent users from using gmailfs? |
| 18:47.11 | DJ-Marcuzz | same thing as user called download |
| 18:47.14 | pipeline | user__: Yes. Because they don't want you spamming their servers. Now shush about it. |
| 18:47.30 | starfishy | try another window manager |
| 18:47.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | how? |
| 18:47.38 | user__ | pipeline: oh, thanks for info |
| 18:47.41 | kspath | ion3 openbox3 |
| 18:47.47 | starfishy | just select it in the login screen |
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| 18:48.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | cant its that simple login one, without any choise |
| 18:48.15 | starfishy | then install kdm or gdm |
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| 18:48.23 | pipeline | DJ-Marcuzz: Then you probably don't have an .xinitrc or .xsession file in the user's home directory. |
| 18:48.24 | Thanatermesis | abrotman no, only i like to know, this is all |
| 18:48.31 | starfishy | what window manager do you have installed? |
| 18:48.48 | starfishy | if you are using xdm you have to adjust some config files to change the window manager |
| 18:48.50 | GaiaX11 | Which is the best FTP Gui for debian? |
| 18:48.57 | starfishy | ncftp |
| 18:48.59 | pipeline | GaiaX11: There isn't a good one. |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: /msg chanserv access <channel> lisrt |
| 18:49.04 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: /msg chanserv access <channel> list |
| 18:49.05 | Alexandar_ | there is no best |
| 18:49.06 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 18:49.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i see? i have install x-window-system pakage and xfce4 |
| 18:49.27 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: though in this channel .. we have the bots for that .. contacting ops at random is a crap shoot |
| 18:49.29 | starfishy | then install gdm or kdm, they will list xfce4 as a choice |
| 18:49.39 | abrotman | wtf is the name of the free win32 AV client? AWG ? |
| 18:49.46 | Alexandar_ | avg |
| 18:49.48 | abrotman | yeah .. that was OT :) |
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| 18:50.13 | Alexandar_ | or trendmicro housecall in google |
| 18:50.24 | Alexandar_ | via intarweb exploitable |
| 18:50.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | and the one that comes with xfce4 then? |
| 18:50.34 | Thanatermesis | not is for this channel abrotman, is just for a f**** person to are asking me all the time "give me op for kick the flamer", and i answer "you don't need op, you only need to call a op" |
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| 18:50.49 | GaiaX11 | Do you think that ncftp is better than gftp? |
| 18:51.05 | Alexandar_ | so err, http://pastebin.com/520961when compiling? |
| 18:51.11 | Alexandar_ | i use gftp |
| 18:51.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | i can choise betwean xdm and gdm now |
| 18:51.23 | ronove | gdm ;) |
| 18:51.36 | pipeline | DJ-Marcuzz: gdm. |
| 18:51.40 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: huh ? |
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| 18:52.00 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: you want someone to op you ? |
| 18:52.09 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: oh .. i see |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: some channels have only a single op .. so that might not work .. but in general ... /ignore works wonders :) |
| 18:52.40 | zealop | What is a good wysiwyg-editor for Linux, something like Macromedia Dreamweaver..? |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | nvu or bluefish |
| 18:53.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:53.03 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:53.45 | zealop | nvu looks good thanks |
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| 18:54.39 | starfishy | DJ-marcuzz: there is no display manager with xfce4 as far as i remember |
| 18:54.45 | glaucius | W: GPG error: http://ftp.br.debian.org stable Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory |
| 18:54.48 | starfishy | the window manager will be shown in the display manager's menu |
| 18:54.55 | glaucius | what must I do to resolv it ? |
| 18:55.07 | Konky | i just installed libc6 -> system half dead because of PaX |
| 18:55.11 | CleeK | glaucius: read the topic ? |
| 18:55.13 | Konky | i remember it easy easy to fix |
| 18:55.17 | Konky | anyone might give help ? |
| 18:55.20 | besonen | abrotman: did you see my last question? |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | nope |
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| 18:55.29 | tarzeau | what happened to libavcodec-dev ? |
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| 18:55.48 | abrotman | besonen: still didn't help with clearing cache ? |
| 18:55.55 | abrotman | glaucius: /topic |
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| 18:57.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | well thats fixed, now i get: your windows manager doesn't supoort the new hints as discribed on www.freedesktop.org |
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| 18:57.20 | besonen | abrotman: i can't check atm (linode.com is suffering a DOS - great timing). anyhow, i suspect clearing the cache will not fix the problem and am wonder what additional trouble-shooting steps you might recommend? |
| 18:57.29 | Konky | noone a clue i guess ? |
| 18:57.44 | starfishy | then i suggest you look at the description at www.freedesktop.org |
| 18:57.46 | abrotman | besonen: double check your apache config files .. restart apache .. make sure the module for php4 is there |
| 18:57.53 | dr1v3r | guys once an IP has been allocated to a new interface other than eth0 how to you remove it? |
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| 18:58.18 | dr1v3r | i just looked at man interface but couldnt see anything that related to my query |
| 18:58.26 | starfishy | dr1v3r: ifconfig <newinterface> down |
| 18:58.41 | Dossy | creating a mirrored root - ugly? |
| 18:58.41 | besonen | abrotman: how do i verify the php4 module for apache is there? |
| 18:58.44 | starfishy | you may want to replace <newinterface> with the actual interface name |
| 18:58.44 | zealop | What does the main mean in apt-sources in end of each line? |
| 18:58.47 | dr1v3r | tx star |
| 18:58.55 | Dossy | what's the debian package that has the md tools in it? |
| 18:59.01 | Dossy | dpkg: dfind dmadd |
| 18:59.06 | abrotman | besonen: make sure the package is installed .. |
| 18:59.06 | starfishy | it means the main set of packages |
| 18:59.12 | starfishy | there is also contrib and non-free |
| 18:59.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dmadd' returned no results. |
| 18:59.20 | abrotman | besonen: make sure there is a LoadModule some where(apache1 right?) |
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| 18:59.26 | zealop | i want to add unstable do i need the main after unstable |
| 18:59.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, im now using xfree86, but xorg is installed i think, how can i use it? |
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| 19:00.07 | starfishy | zealop: if you have to ask this question you should _not_ use unstable |
| 19:00.17 | starfishy | unstable requires advanced admin skills |
| 19:00.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | !swat |
| 19:00.18 | dpkg | from memory, swat is Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 19:00.19 | zealop | starfishy: im not. i need only one package |
| 19:00.31 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:00.31 | zealop | and it did work i tried |
| 19:00.31 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 19:00.35 | starfishy | its probably easier to download it manually and install it |
| 19:00.38 | ronin | zealop: really bad idea t mix and match |
| 19:00.44 | starfishy | but yes, if you add the line, you have to add main at the end |
| 19:00.51 | abrotman | zealop: which package ? |
| 19:01.00 | zealop | abrotman: nvu |
| 19:01.07 | besonen | abrotman: if you are talking about libapache-mod-php4, i know it's there. it's the first thing you had me check. what does the LoadModule line look like in the httpd.conf (yes, apache 1.x)? |
| 19:01.11 | abrotman | zealop: check backports.org .. or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:01.22 | dr1v3r | damn why wont this work arrrgghhhhhh |
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| 19:01.35 | abrotman | besonen: uhm .. something like "LoadModule /usr/lib/php4.so" or something like that |
| 19:01.43 | starfishy | dr1v3r: what doesnt work? |
| 19:01.46 | dr1v3r | gusy if i setup more interfaces what do i have to do to be able to use them? |
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| 19:01.57 | abrotman | zealop: it is at backports.org |
| 19:01.58 | dr1v3r | what havent i done after allocating them |
| 19:02.06 | dr1v3r | *guys |
| 19:02.13 | abrotman | restart networking ? |
| 19:02.16 | zealop | abrotman: ok thx |
| 19:02.16 | abrotman | are they set to auto ? |
| 19:02.22 | Thanatermesis | abrotman yeah, #debian-es not have op's "enabled", its only a mentality.. "no discrimination", its a tradition :) "no superiority feeling to the ppl", this person is only asking me about "give me op, the channel don't have op's" |
| 19:02.38 | Skrot | Hi. I wish to set up a user/password management system on my network (so that if I add a user it's added on all the boxes), is OpenLDAP used for such things? And do I need to configire PAM or something to use it on each of the boxes? |
| 19:02.43 | dr1v3r | not to sure, how do i check if they are set to auto? |
| 19:02.49 | starfishy | dr1v3r: ifconfig ethX xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 19:02.52 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: you seem to have more than a few ops |
| 19:02.53 | starfishy | ifconfig ethX up |
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| 19:03.06 | dr1v3r | ohhh crap :( sorry star :( |
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| 19:03.14 | glaucius | ns1:~# apt-key add - |
| 19:03.20 | starfishy | sorry for what? |
| 19:03.20 | besonen | thanks abrotman. i'll check for the LoadModule line as soon as i can connect to my linode. |
| 19:03.21 | glaucius | is it so slow ?? |
| 19:03.21 | poppe | how do i forward x? |
| 19:03.24 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: tell him you can't give him ops |
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| 19:03.30 | zodiac | ssh.conf |
| 19:03.31 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: just say it's not your decision |
| 19:03.39 | starfishy | the 'auto' setting is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:03.42 | Thanatermesis | yeah, this is what i have say :) |
| 19:03.46 | starfishy | all the other settings are there too |
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| 19:03.54 | dr1v3r | i should have realised i had to bring it up haha |
| 19:03.59 | nkuttler | poppe: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 19:04.02 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 19:04.04 | pm_ | there is any hardware detector for debian? |
| 19:04.10 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: most people who ask for ops probably shouldn't be given it i guess |
| 19:04.12 | poppe | thanks |
| 19:04.12 | starfishy | i fell into that trap long ago, so dont feel bad about it :) |
| 19:04.19 | Thanatermesis | i have just speak now "if you need a op, call it, looking the list of the op's fo rthe channel" |
| 19:04.24 | starfishy | it was a Dec station 3000 IIRC |
| 19:04.28 | starfishy | with Ultrix |
| 19:04.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | !xorg |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.9. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 19:04.40 | Konky | hey : i just installed libc6 and not destroyed my PaX protected system. what package to install to make this undone ? |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: it would seem topo or Heimy own the channel |
| 19:04.58 | Thanatermesis | i think, yes, in any case, not is the way to give op, the correct way is know'ing the correct person for it |
| 19:05.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | !use xorg |
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| 19:05.16 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: topo is the channel contact |
| 19:05.16 | Konky | like installing the old glibc version |
| 19:05.20 | Thanatermesis | yes.. topo... but i don't know he, is totally lost :/ |
| 19:05.21 | Konky | but i don't know how to swithc back in debian |
| 19:05.26 | poppe | in ssh_config should Host be the server or client? |
| 19:05.34 | dr1v3r | can i add all the eth0:1 and so on into that interfaces file? |
| 19:05.39 | Thanatermesis | don't worry, the channel is controled :) |
| 19:05.41 | starfishy | dr1v3r: yes |
| 19:05.51 | starfishy | just make stanzas like for a physical interface |
| 19:05.56 | Konky | lol |
| 19:05.57 | starfishy | and ifup will work |
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| 19:06.05 | dr1v3r | and if i reboot the server they will auto be there when it starts up again? |
| 19:06.13 | starfishy | if they are set to auto: yes. |
| 19:06.20 | dr1v3r | wicked thank you |
| 19:06.24 | starfishy | i do the same thing for my test server |
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| 19:06.34 | starfishy | 8 logical interfaces on 2 physical ones |
| 19:06.36 | starfishy | works like a charm |
| 19:06.46 | aladds | is there a way to turn off the annoying messages from tar telling me everything is in the future, besides getting a clock battery? |
| 19:06.47 | starfishy | yw |
| 19:06.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | how to use xorg :S |
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| 19:07.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | my log says im using xfree |
| 19:07.13 | starfishy | xorg is not in sarge yet afaik |
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| 19:07.19 | starfishy | try backports |
| 19:07.19 | abrotman | nor will it ever be |
| 19:07.20 | esher | hi |
| 19:07.22 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 19:07.23 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 19:07.28 | Nwallins | anyone know the mod-python version of libapache2-mod-python in etch? apt-cache gives me v#'s in the 2.x range, but other programs want a version in the 3.x range. python itself is of course still in 2.x |
| 19:07.42 | starfishy | abrotman: i take back the 'yet' :) |
| 19:07.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes that is the prob, i have updated with the backports link in my sources, so xorg is on my system :P |
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| 19:08.07 | esher | how can i "exclude" a package from installing when i do apt-get install f00bar (apt-get will install other packet, that i dont want) |
| 19:08.10 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: apt-get install xserver-xorg ? |
| 19:08.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | its installed |
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| 19:08.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | now i need to use it' |
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| 19:08.35 | starfishy | cool, my coworker finally set his local debian server to autoupdate :) |
| 19:08.42 | abrotman | that's bad |
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| 19:09.18 | Chance | hi anyone familiar to this one ? zlib.h: No such file or directory |
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| 19:09.30 | Chance | wich is the package that contains this one |
| 19:09.32 | Konky | What glibc version is stable with PaX ? |
| 19:09.33 | abrotman | apt-cache search zlib dev |
| 19:09.49 | Chance | zlib1g-dev |
| 19:09.52 | Chance | all returned |
| 19:09.55 | Chance | and some apache things |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | that should be it |
| 19:09.58 | Chance | already tryed that |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | !find zlib.h sarge |
| 19:10.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zlib.h' (6 of 43): (/usr/include/zlib.h) in libdevel/zlib1g-dev ;; (/usr/include/bzlib.h) in libdevel/libbz2-dev ;; (/usr/include/sword/zlib.h) in libdevel/libsword-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/zlib/zlib.h) in devel/mozilla-dev ;; (/usr/include/dclib/core/czlib.h) in libdevel/libdc0-dev ;; (/usr/include/linux/zlib.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers. |
| 19:10.17 | Konky | What glibc version is stable with PaX ? |
| 19:10.26 | abrotman | repeat again .. noone saw it |
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| 19:10.29 | tziku | i have a lot of: root 11864 0.0 0.2 8340 1344 ? R 21:05 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
| 19:10.31 | tziku | a loot |
| 19:10.36 | Chance | :) |
| 19:10.40 | tziku | with more user...can be a ddos attack ? |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | it's your samba server |
| 19:10.53 | tziku | and my comp is working really slow... |
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| 19:11.07 | kspath | tziku: I would fix that. |
| 19:11.14 | tziku | how ? |
| 19:11.16 | Konky | How can i install libc6-2.3.2 ? when i already got 2.3.5 ? |
| 19:11.25 | azeem | Konky: you needn't |
| 19:11.39 | Konky | hm ? |
| 19:11.43 | dr1v3r | starfishy any chance i can pm u a sec please? |
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| 19:11.56 | starfishy | dr1v3r: sure |
| 19:11.57 | azeem | Konky: why do you think you want/need libc-2.3.2? |
| 19:11.57 | Konky | azeem: what do you mean ? |
| 19:12.00 | Chance | abrotman works now |
| 19:12.03 | saintiss | if I play an mp3 file, and at the same time do cat /dev/dsp > test.wav, the resulting file seems to be rubbish, i.e. can't play it with "play" for example... any ideas? |
| 19:12.04 | abrotman | Chance: good |
| 19:12.06 | Konky | because 2.3.5 destroyed my system |
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| 19:12.09 | Konky | and i need to get it working fast |
| 19:12.10 | kspath | tziku: well, BOFH methods vary but I would say killall, pkill, and then hit the power button and leave the machine off. |
| 19:12.11 | azeem | Konky: eh? |
| 19:12.22 | azeem | Konky: are you running unstable? |
| 19:12.30 | Konky | this redhat stack proteciton crap in there is incompatible with PaX / grsecurity |
| 19:12.47 | Konky | i do not remember how i fixed it in my own server |
| 19:12.55 | Konky | but now 80% of the programs there are unable to run anymore |
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| 19:13.02 | abrotman | i can't imagine why |
| 19:13.03 | azeem | can't you turn off Pax? |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | i'm a bad person .. |
| 19:13.10 | Konky | no can't change kernel now |
| 19:13.13 | quitte | kspath: what is the killing for? |
| 19:13.34 | kspath | quitte: to make the person feel like they did something. |
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| 19:13.46 | azeem | Konky: so are you running unstable? |
| 19:13.54 | Konky | testing |
| 19:14.01 | quitte | kspath: wouldnt a xmessage be more convenient? |
| 19:14.10 | pm_ | there is any app to auto-detect and configure my network cards? |
| 19:14.14 | azeem | it is questionable whether running libc-2.3.2 will not make things worse |
| 19:14.24 | azeem | Konky: as your applications have been compiled against 2.3.5 |
| 19:14.25 | Konky | how could i change back ? |
| 19:14.27 | Konky | i forgot |
| 19:14.39 | Konky | well that's dynamic linking .. that's why it is a library ^^ |
| 19:14.40 | azeem | Konky: dpkg -i libc6_2.3.2.ds1-*.deb |
| 19:14.41 | Konky | to make it changebale |
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| 19:15.04 | Konky | where to get that package from ? |
| 19:15.05 | azeem | Konky: you can only have two libraries with different SO-names installed in parallel |
| 19:15.12 | azeem | Konky: stable, e.g. |
| 19:15.23 | azeem | Konky: so installing 2.3.2 will remove 2.3.5 |
| 19:15.31 | Konky | yes that would be fine for me |
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| 19:15.40 | azeem | 20:08 < azeem> Konky: as your applications have been compiled against 2.3.5 |
| 19:15.45 | azeem | just pointing that out |
| 19:16.00 | Konky | azeem: i had it running with the old libc for months |
| 19:16.11 | azeem | well then |
| 19:16.12 | Konky | i needed this FORCEloopbreak option to get libc6 installed |
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| 19:16.16 | Konky | did that today :( |
| 19:16.22 | Konky | -o=APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 |
| 19:16.25 | azeem | ugh |
| 19:16.32 | azeem | you did to install a newer libc6? |
| 19:16.49 | Konky | ye, was required for distupgrade |
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| 19:17.08 | glaucius | the steps from topic doesnt work here |
| 19:17.17 | Konky | Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n] |
| 19:17.23 | glaucius | apt-key add - stops |
| 19:17.23 | Konky | Setting up libc6 (2.3.5-8) ... |
| 19:17.23 | Konky | mv: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 19:17.23 | Konky | dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): |
| 19:17.24 | Konky | bamg |
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| 19:17.42 | Konky | hrm just 3 lines ;) |
| 19:17.48 | azeem | nope, 4 |
| 19:17.51 | abrotman | four |
| 19:17.54 | azeem | I will not quote them ;) |
| 19:18.01 | Konky | prove :) |
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| 19:18.12 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:18.12 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 19:18.13 | tummyacid | hello im trying to put an old router i built back into service. it boots wonderfully but while connected to the net i get the error "INIT: ld "T1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" and it kills net preformance for about five minutes |
| 19:18.20 | Konky | i want -> libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 <- |
| 19:18.26 | azeem | Konky: I want a pony |
| 19:18.28 | Konky | then i am happy again ;) |
| 19:18.36 | abrotman | !pony azeem |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | hrm. |
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| 19:18.46 | azeem | Konky: get it at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ |
| 19:18.57 | Konky | ty |
| 19:19.07 | tummyacid | ive removed all but the most basic hardware |
| 19:19.12 | kspath | !bier azeem |
| 19:19.17 | azeem | Konky: there is ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
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| 19:19.21 | tummyacid | just a hd and nic |
| 19:19.22 | abrotman | tummyacid: could be the driver for the NIC / |
| 19:19.22 | pm_ | there is any app to auto-detect and configure my network cards? |
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| 19:19.44 | PP-rox | hi, i have a question i which packet i can find php5 & mysql5 ?? |
| 19:19.50 | Konky | yea i hope it works |
| 19:19.50 | azeem | pm_: NetworkManager is the coming cool kid on the block |
| 19:20.00 | tummyacid | so you think if i wait for it to finished apt-get upgrade things might work out? |
| 19:20.03 | vin` | !qotd113 |
| 19:20.03 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 19:20.05 | PP-rox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.05 | PP-rox | <azeem> p |
| 19:20.06 | Konky | the server is dead in any case |
| 19:20.06 | PP-rox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.06 | PP-rox | <azeem> p |
| 19:20.19 | azeem | PP-rox: ? |
| 19:20.38 | Konky | aah |
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| 19:20.39 | azeem | pm_: some other things like ifplugd etc. can do something like that as well |
| 19:20.40 | abrotman | stupid mouse :) |
| 19:20.41 | Konky | server works again |
| 19:20.42 | Konky | thank you |
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| 19:21.09 | marcel__ | hi |
| 19:21.26 | PP-rox | hi, i have a question i which packet i can find php5 & mysql5 ?? |
| 19:21.42 | marcel__ | is there a tool that can tell me what new packages are available in the repository? |
| 19:21.44 | abrotman | for sarge ? |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | marcel__: which repository? |
| 19:22.01 | azeem | marcel__: apt-cache |
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| 19:22.32 | stew | marcel__: "apt-get -s upgrade" will tell you what would be upgraded by running it without the -s without actually doing any upgrading |
| 19:22.33 | marcel__ | abrotman, I want to know when new packages are available in unstable, for instance new applications |
| 19:22.39 | azeem | Konky: most of your packages will Depends: on a newer libc6, so you can probably forget to use apt-get from now on |
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| 19:23.06 | abrotman | marcel__: DWN tells us once a week |
| 19:23.16 | marcel__ | DWN? |
| 19:23.18 | stew | abrotman: he said unstable |
| 19:23.28 | CleeK | Debian Weekly News |
| 19:23.29 | abrotman | and that's what DWN tells us |
| 19:23.32 | marcel__ | ok |
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| 19:23.40 | abrotman | stew: the "New Packages section" ? |
| 19:23.41 | marcel__ | thanks |
| 19:23.57 | kspath | marcel__: you can get a full list everyday and use diff mostly or uniq -d or whatever method you prefer |
| 19:24.00 | stew | oh i was thinking newer versions |
| 19:24.03 | abrotman | stew: http://www.us.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/03/ .. the New or Noteworthy Packages section |
| 19:24.11 | pm_ | i have the eth0 as my local network connection, and the eth1 as the internet connection, the clients machines must have the eth0 as the gateway right? and how can i say to the eth0 that the internet requests must go to the eth1? |
| 19:24.11 | stew | yes, i know |
| 19:24.14 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. i think he just wanted newly announced |
| 19:24.24 | abrotman | !incoming |
| 19:24.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
| 19:25.03 | tziku | where are the logs with users commands ? |
| 19:25.24 | tziku | with waht command user a user... |
| 19:25.27 | CAiRO | i need to think of a name for my new debian server, any idea where i could possibly find some suggestions with nice names for computers/servers? |
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| 19:25.57 | js_ | what do i need to run a chrooted jail that does ldap authentication? |
| 19:26.00 | zinx | CAiRO: "debian" is always popular |
| 19:26.11 | Alexandar_ | lol |
| 19:26.14 | zinx | :D |
| 19:26.16 | Alexandar_ | Galvatron |
| 19:26.20 | Alexandar_ | Soundbyte |
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| 19:26.36 | CAiRO | zinx: but not a good idea if you have more than one debian server |
| 19:26.40 | marcel__ | kspath, how do i get a full list? |
| 19:26.43 | eald | CAiRO: anime girls |
| 19:26.46 | uv|hus | CAiRO, sawsan |
| 19:27.10 | Alexandar_ | cybertron |
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| 19:27.47 | abrotman | CAiRO: use wikipedia .. there are many options .. Comic Book Characters, Mountains, Islands, Presidents, Countries, etc |
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| 19:28.30 | kspath | marcel__: one of a dozen ways is apt-cache dump | egrep "^Package" |
| 19:28.35 | zinx | i use the names of chaos features on mars |
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| 19:29.07 | doido | E ai pessoal |
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| 19:29.12 | doido | Blz |
| 19:29.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:29.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:29.18 | \xe6var | what pkg has alsamixer? |
| 19:29.21 | marcel__ | kpath thanks |
| 19:29.21 | doido | Estou no chate |
| 19:29.28 | abrotman | \xe6var: alsa-utils ? |
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| 19:29.32 | doido | Eu não falar ingres!!! |
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| 19:29.46 | cisox | Hello, I am making several pacakges in a local repository. They both put things into the same directory "/data1/www" and I get this error when I try to apt-get the second pacakge. |
| 19:29.48 | \xe6var | oh and please kill ]Louise[, she's spamming me with pr0n spamp |
| 19:29.48 | cisox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.50 | cisox | Any ideas? |
| 19:29.52 | quitte | CAiRO: look at whatever's on the table next to the screen. you alwys find something that has a name on it |
| 19:29.54 | doido | I see dead peaplo |
| 19:29.57 | \xe6var | ]Louise[ http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:30.01 | doido | rsrsr |
| 19:30.11 | Alexandar_ | lol |
| 19:30.12 | \xe6var | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:30.36 | CAiRO | ok, thanks everybody for your ideas |
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| 19:30.49 | relic | !OMFG |
| 19:30.49 | dpkg | hmm... omfg is "oh my fluffy gerbil" OH! MY! FUCKING! GOD! Oh MotherFucking God! |
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| 19:32.01 | abrotman | !tell \xe6var about search |
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| 19:33.21 | geckosenator | how do I reinstall all fonts on a system? |
| 19:33.30 | geckosenator | Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct |
| 19:33.43 | geckosenator | I have iso8859-2 3 or 4, but I need 1 |
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| 19:35.25 | kittenbot | 'dpkg -i X.deb' does not download the missing packages that X depends on -- is there a program that can do this for me ? |
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| 19:35.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | damnit, it won't let me browse the samba share |
| 19:35.46 | \xe6var | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:36.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | i have all invalid user lines removed and place valid ones, and still it won't work :S |
| 19:36.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ? |
| 19:37.07 | xrider | hello, i have 2 ethernet cards on a server, they look to work fine but i can't ping from the server from the clients |
| 19:37.09 | \xe6var | $ alsamixer |
| 19:37.09 | \xe6var | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:37.12 | \xe6var | eep |
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| 19:37.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow finaly works |
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| 19:39.55 | Chance | anyone familliar with connect: No buffer space available in BIND ? |
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| 19:40.39 | Bayne | is there an am64 debian specific channel? |
| 19:40.44 | Bayne | er amd64 |
| 19:41.03 | thingfish | Bayne: #debian-amd64 |
| 19:41.17 | Bayne | danke |
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| 19:41.35 | madonita | help |
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| 19:41.58 | tarzeau | damn i hate the 365-day bts bug closer |
| 19:42.17 | uv|hus | madclicker, ask, not for help, just ask |
| 19:42.33 | uv|hus | madclicker, sorry. |
| 19:42.41 | strider | kittenbot: try gdebi |
| 19:42.53 | uv|hus | madonita, ask, not for help, just ask |
| 19:42.57 | Chance | anyone familliar with connect: No buffer space available in BIND ? |
| 19:43.24 | kittenbot | strider: That looks good, thanks :) |
| 19:43.57 | feb | k3b is not installable via aptitude ? |
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| 19:44.27 | Bayne | anyone know where to find a 64 bit driver for a linksys wpc11 ver4 wireless nic? |
| 19:44.45 | madonita | uv|hus, I wanted to type "/help" but I missed. I'm using JUMP a java gis application. But I have problems opening utf-8 shapefiles |
| 19:44.52 | kittenbot | Holy cow! I need to install 32 MBs worth of stuff for it... |
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| 19:45.22 | uv|hus | madonita, sorry, no clue, maybe someone else |
| 19:45.29 | madonita | ok |
| 19:45.30 | madonita | thanks |
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| 19:45.38 | ndee | hello there, |
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| 19:46.00 | neo_ | hello world |
| 19:46.01 | ndee | what do you guys think of nessus? |
| 19:46.22 | blondie | nessus seems good |
| 19:46.22 | quitte | ndee: i dont think it exists |
| 19:46.24 | strider | kittenbot: it needs python :) |
| 19:46.29 | blondie | we use it at work |
| 19:46.34 | Konky | how can i trick my debian to think a specific glibc version is installed ? |
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| 19:46.38 | blondie | to scan thousands of student PCs |
| 19:46.39 | Konky | so dependencies are not broken |
| 19:46.41 | ndee | blondie: doesn't it give you a false sense of security? |
| 19:46.46 | blondie | why? |
| 19:46.49 | ndee | I'm just wondering |
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| 19:46.52 | geckosenator | how can I reinstall every package on a system? |
| 19:47.01 | kittenbot | strider: Time to buy a 1GB compact-flash part :) |
| 19:47.06 | blondie | no it doesn't because we use it in addition to other things |
| 19:47.06 | ndee | don't know :) |
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| 19:47.25 | ndee | blondie: what else do you use? |
| 19:47.29 | Konky | anyone knows ? |
| 19:47.33 | blondie | firewalls ;) |
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| 19:48.04 | blondie | these aren't our machines we're scanning, so can't do much on them |
| 19:48.16 | eald | geckosenator: maybe there is another way, but there is a `dpkg --get-selections` option, then you could do an script with that |
| 19:48.22 | mith | nessus is typically only good to make sure whoever's in charge of the machines isn't being lazy and is actually patching them :P |
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| 19:48.43 | ndee | blondie: I just wanna audit our server and I stumbled over nessus :) |
| 19:48.44 | blondie | but if we find machines with poor security we disable their switch port |
| 19:48.55 | blondie | well we use it for that too |
| 19:49.01 | blondie | to a lesser extent |
| 19:49.04 | cisse | soooo many nessus false positives |
| 19:49.09 | mith | ya |
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| 19:49.18 | blondie | false positives are better than false negatives |
| 19:49.23 | ndee | with our server, I mean a web server :) |
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| 19:49.54 | blondie | well we only have port 80 and 443 open on the firewall to our webserver (and the server's own firewall) |
| 19:49.58 | blondie | so not too much to scan |
| 19:50.21 | ndee | but port 80 is the biggest problem IMO |
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| 19:51.14 | gteppel | I run debian/stable as my home gateway/router/dhcpd server... I have a windows box behind in my home lan and its connecting to a vpn right now so I can't ping it from my debian box. Currently I'm at work and I only have access to my debian box through SSH. Is there someway to force the windows box to drop the vpn connection? I did a remote reboot on the debian box but it didn't seem to kill the con |
| 19:51.14 | gteppel | nection on the windows box. Any ideas? |
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| 19:51.49 | dhuv | hello all, I need some help with an old drive and reiserfs, I tried out the 2.6 kernel and it seems to read the drive |
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| 19:52.05 | dhuv | the problem is that there are a lot of corrupted blocks on this drive |
| 19:52.11 | zeenix | i tried to install a package through dpkg but it failed because of some dependency problem, now when i try to install something using apt-get, apt-get still tries to install that package |
| 19:52.12 | jason^ | is there a way to get the source code of debian packages, such as the patches and stuff used to compile? |
| 19:52.20 | dhuv | when I start copying data off it complains about bad blocks |
| 19:52.34 | dhuv | are there any utilities that I can run to get all the good data off? |
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| 19:52.51 | eeyore- | dhuv: dd_rescue |
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| 19:53.15 | bbrazil | jason^: apt-get source |
| 19:53.20 | Chance | HELP |
| 19:53.21 | Chance | anyone familliar with connect: No buffer space available in BIND ? |
| 19:53.28 | eeyore- | dhuv: you can get as many good blocks off the device, leaving holes in the image of the device. you then rely on e2fsck to hopefully repair the damage, as much as it can. but you will invariably lose some data |
| 19:53.36 | dhuv | eeyore-: thanks looking into it |
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| 19:54.40 | concept10 | im attempting to optimize my laptop config, I dont need both GDM and KDM to load on startup, do I? |
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| 19:54.53 | concept10 | (I only use gnome) |
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| 19:55.13 | jason^ | bbrazil: thanks |
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| 19:55.28 | quitte | concept10: they dont load both. but you can remove one of them to save diskspace |
| 19:55.34 | kittenbot | gteppel: I have no real suggestions -- how about put a rule in your firewall to always send your doze box an icmp destination unreachable ? |
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| 19:56.32 | hullabaloo | Hey i was just wondering, is there a simple text based web browser that works with PHP and can just display a page and bring me back to the command line |
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| 19:57.03 | Bayne | is there a channel that deals with wireless networking on linux? |
| 19:57.07 | dondelelcaro | hullabaloo: a text based browser doesn't really have much to do with php; links, lynx, or w3c will work as just a web browser, though. |
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| 19:57.15 | dondelelcaro | Bayne: #wireless ? |
| 19:57.33 | hullabaloo | Bayne : i just wanna type something like blahblah http://www.urll.com |
| 19:57.44 | hullabaloo | and have it display it and then back to the command line |
| 19:57.54 | dondelelcaro | hullabaloo: so use lynx -dump http://www.url.com or whatever |
| 19:58.25 | \xe6var | I was running apt-get and killed the process while it was running, now I'm getting this error: http://www.simnet.is/velfag/tmp/err.txt |
| 19:58.25 | hullabaloo | yup yup that works !! |
| 19:58.34 | kspath | !clueby4smite hullabaloo |
| 19:58.35 | \xe6var | how do I clean up the lock files? |
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| 19:59.15 | dondelelcaro | \xe6var: that usually means that there is still a debconf process running; find it and kill it off. |
| 19:59.33 | dondelelcaro | \xe6var: otherwise, look for a lockfile in that directory /var/cache/debconf/ and delete it |
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| 20:00.53 | \xe6var | ah, just had to kill the debconfs |
| 20:01.14 | nima | whats the command for a new user? |
| 20:01.17 | insane^ | hi everone... is there any howto which describes how to create a debian install cd? |
| 20:01.19 | hueh | I've read dondelelcaro's comments on webmin - how does one determine packages that shouldn't be run on accessible servers. I've never run awstats in accessible mode - but I've (naiively, obviously now) thought webmin was ok? |
| 20:01.23 | Irrumator | nima: adduser |
| 20:01.24 | insane^ | i need a cd with a newer kernel |
| 20:01.34 | nima | danke schone, insane^ |
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| 20:01.41 | tarzeau | links2 -g don't work in sid (-3) with x anymore, little quiz: which x build dependency is missing? |
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| 20:02.04 | dondelelcaro | hueh: the general answer is that you shouldn't run anything on accessible servers; basically, things that do more than just serve static files should always be viewed with suspicion. |
| 20:02.07 | tarzeau | what's up today with all thanks being translated to german today? |
| 20:02.37 | Skrot | Anyone know of a good ldap + debian howto? :) |
| 20:02.39 | kspath | danke? |
| 20:02.45 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: probably xlibs-dev, although I thought those were almost all NMUed last weekend. |
| 20:02.58 | quitte | schankedön? |
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| 20:03.12 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: yes and it was replaced, but not completely, the convert script was used... |
| 20:03.21 | kspath | tarzeau: dzenkuje? gracias? merci? |
| 20:03.28 | hueh | So php, tomcat, any cgi are ruled-out, then? |
| 20:03.50 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: yeah, but it still appears to have a dependency on x-window-system|xlibs-dev |
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| 20:04.02 | SerajewelKS | has gaim2 been packaged yet? |
| 20:04.07 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: yeah, but removing that won't fix it either |
| 20:04.10 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: no |
| 20:04.10 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: err, nevermind. looking at the older version |
| 20:04.51 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: your best bet for that is to work with the gaim packagers if it's something that you actually care about. |
| 20:05.19 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i don't care enough to bug people about it, just wondering if maybe it was available on an unofficial repo |
| 20:05.33 | SerajewelKS | gaim2 depends on mono or some other CLR, right? |
| 20:05.51 | SerajewelKS | or is that just for plugins |
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| 20:05.55 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: there are some private packages of it that google can see; dunno if they're any good |
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| 20:07.40 | deadcat | when i start SCREEN before, my fortune is the window title, i dont know what changed lately on the upgrade but when i start SCREEN its now the "-*", this pattern shows up when trying to select a window/region.. i dont know whats up |
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| 20:09.22 | X-TRaZy | Strange... |
| 20:09.24 | X-TRaZy | ices2 does not work in i386 SID, but in AMD64 it works flawlessly.... |
| 20:09.32 | pipitoo | hi |
| 20:09.39 | hid3 | anyone common with HTB shaper? What value in 'quantum' should I set for 512 kbit rate? |
| 20:09.49 | pipitoo | I'm thinking about installing debian |
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| 20:10.14 | pipitoo | but i dont know if I still can connect to windows networks |
| 20:10.23 | pipitoo | can I? |
| 20:10.30 | SerajewelKS | pipitoo: define "windows network" |
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| 20:10.48 | SerajewelKS | pipitoo: if you mean file sharing, yes |
| 20:10.59 | pipitoo | cool |
| 20:11.05 | SerajewelKS | pipitoo: what windows services is your network running specifically |
| 20:11.13 | pipitoo | xp pro |
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| 20:11.25 | pipitoo | with sp2 |
| 20:11.37 | abrotman | samba or smbclient |
| 20:11.46 | JJK | Hello, does anyone know what the [date] [time] [hostame] ---MARK--- entries in /var/log/messages mean? |
| 20:11.58 | SerajewelKS | pipitoo: that's an OS, not a service |
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| 20:12.16 | pipitoo | oh |
| 20:12.21 | pipitoo | bye |
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| 20:12.26 | blondie | BYE THEN |
| 20:12.29 | SerajewelKS | wtf... |
| 20:13.12 | ronin | heh |
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| 20:13.58 | sarathms | what is the quickest way of installing sarge on 30 systems on a LAN without CDROMs with the server already running Red Hat 9.0 |
| 20:14.05 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, hello |
| 20:14.13 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: sup |
| 20:14.18 | tarzeau | sarathms: use some network autoinstaller |
| 20:14.28 | tarzeau | sarathms: i use dphys3 at work, others use fai |
| 20:14.34 | abrotman | sarathms: FAI |
| 20:14.35 | kspath | there is always Xandros for people that must be so completely integrated into the M$ Windblowz world |
| 20:14.38 | tarzeau | sarathms: it's all i386? |
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| 20:14.40 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, nothing, just writing some deep philosophy about technology |
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| 20:14.46 | CleeK | fai, or systim imager |
| 20:14.49 | CleeK | system |
| 20:14.59 | sarathms | tarzeau: ya all i386 |
| 20:15.19 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, how is thing going on your side? |
| 20:15.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you use fai? |
| 20:15.45 | sarathms | does FAI work on RH9 server |
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| 20:15.59 | blondie | who cares about redhat |
| 20:16.04 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't have a large number of systems to install .. i'd try dphys or FAI |
| 20:16.19 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: anything specific, or just in general? |
| 20:16.36 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, ? |
| 20:16.55 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: yeah |
| 20:16.59 | Steven_6040 | Azar, /24 is a class c subnet, it means anything after the 3rd octet in your ip address is on your network.. in this case 253 hosts |
| 20:17.07 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, in general i suppose =) |
| 20:17.18 | SerajewelKS | sifi-xz: pretty good =) |
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| 20:17.23 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, nice =) |
| 20:17.24 | Azar | Steven_6040: ah subnet classes, thanks |
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| 20:18.06 | Azar | Steven_6040: on any IP address how could I calculate the subnets? |
| 20:18.10 | pm_ | here do i configure the domain that i want to join in debian? |
| 20:18.14 | pm_ | where |
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| 20:18.17 | sifi-xz | SerajewelKS, philosopy is really a good inspiration for new work models I must say |
| 20:18.33 | sarathms | tarzeau: where can i get help on using FAI |
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| 20:19.06 | Azar | SerajewelKS: if you were not here yesterday, I can update you on the j1 saga in pm |
| 20:19.07 | FreekNL | Hi all, general "dd" question (after reading the manual ofcource): How I copy a certan amount of bytes from a file (say 300 bytes out of 1000) ? |
| 20:19.29 | tarzeau | sarathms: no idea, but feel free to ask me about dphys :) |
| 20:19.30 | bbrazil | FreekNL: bs=300 count=1 |
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| 20:19.36 | tarzeau | sarathms: maybe #debian-fai or #fai exists? |
| 20:19.53 | abrotman | !fai |
| 20:19.53 | dpkg | methinks fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
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| 20:22.33 | Flaxiah | hi |
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| 20:22.45 | FreekNL | bbrazil: that easy!? Getting the following error (with the real life situation): dd if=laptop_freek.000_org of=laptop_freek.000 bs=2136020102 count=1 /n dd: memory exhausted |
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| 20:22.58 | SerajewelKS | gah, font subpixel hinting is an abomination |
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| 20:23.05 | chino[server] | where is the xorg.conf file ? |
| 20:23.11 | bbrazil | FreekNL: using 2GB blocks is a bad idea :) |
| 20:23.12 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: /etc/X11 |
| 20:23.14 | chino[server] | i dotn even think my system has one |
| 20:23.21 | chino[server] | does vnc need it ? |
| 20:23.25 | FreekNL | chino[server] is X installed? |
| 20:23.26 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: are you running X.org? |
| 20:23.35 | Chance | someone help me please with BIND issue: host domainname gives me connect: No buffer space available |
| 20:23.39 | chino[server] | im on my server in denmark and i use vnc to connect to it |
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| 20:23.44 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: afaik VNC uses a specialized X server |
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| 20:23.46 | bbrazil | FreekNL: don't use blocks bigger than 1MB, adjust count accordingly |
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| 20:23.57 | chino[server] | wow really ? |
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| 20:24.09 | karthik | can nayone guide me for a network install? |
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| 20:24.18 | chino[server] | so by default debian doesn't come with xorg.conf ? you still have to run xorgconfig your self ? |
| 20:24.18 | Chance | abrotman can you help me please ? |
| 20:24.22 | ronin | karthik: burn iso, reboot computer with cd in drive |
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| 20:24.41 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: debian stable does not have X.org at all |
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| 20:24.51 | chino[server] | weird |
| 20:24.56 | chino[server] | i might not even have it |
| 20:24.58 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: how is that weird |
| 20:25.03 | kombi | anyone apt-installed phpmyadmin lately? what's with the blowfish thing? |
| 20:25.08 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: X.org is not in stable, that's not weird. |
| 20:25.08 | nima | is there any way i can continuously monitor who is logged in a computer? im waiting for someone to log on |
| 20:25.23 | SerajewelKS | nima: while true; do who; echo ---; sleep 1; done |
| 20:25.24 | chino[server] | idk i just thought debian was a 'do it for you' type of distro i see more now that its not |
| 20:25.25 | Azar | nima: use w or who |
| 20:25.26 | stew | nima: "watch who" |
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| 20:25.27 | FreekNL | bbrazil I guess 2GB is a bit to large for dd.. However, it is crucial that I get the exact amount of bytes cloned from the input file, I cannot round up the bytes.. |
| 20:25.32 | kombi | nima: press w |
| 20:25.37 | ronin | chino[server]: it is but xorg isnt in stable is all |
| 20:25.38 | karthik | how can i do it with a server? |
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| 20:25.55 | bbrazil | FreekNL: as long as the number of bytes you need isn't prime, you shouldn't have a problrm |
| 20:26.00 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: what the hell does having X.org have to do with being a user-friendly distro |
| 20:26.09 | chino[server] | well acept for apt and the great user repo's i dont really see where debian does anything for you |
| 20:26.10 | ronin | karthik: start it with a server? |
| 20:26.11 | bbrazil | FreekNL: even if it is prime, there's ways of dealing with it (skip_ |
| 20:26.22 | ronin | chino[server]: then dont use it |
| 20:26.25 | karthik | yeah |
| 20:26.28 | thingfish | chino[server]: Debian is not a do-it-for-you distro. |
| 20:26.29 | chino[server] | im not complaining i like it |
| 20:26.34 | kombi | blowfish secret is set, still phpmyadmin complains.. |
| 20:26.39 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: you heard of debconf? |
| 20:26.45 | chino[server] | you guys are really touchy lol |
| 20:26.46 | ronin | karthik: no im asking, as in i dont understand what your saying with start it with a server |
| 20:26.51 | Azar | chino[server]: if you want x.org, upgrade Debian to unstable, get x.org and see how user UNFRIENDLY can be |
| 20:26.53 | chino[server] | no i never heard of debconf im pretty new iwth debian |
| 20:27.05 | chino[server] | im on a server i dont need x |
| 20:27.18 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: we're touchy when people come in the channel and troll about how X.org not being in debian stable makes it un-user-friendly |
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| 20:27.34 | chino[server] | hey i never used those words buddy |
| 20:27.34 | karthik | i mean i need to install debian in 15 systems ...then how can i do it? |
| 20:27.45 | Azar | wait he does not need X but he wants x.org? |
| 20:27.51 | bbrazil | karthik: dd? |
| 20:27.52 | thingfish | yeah, what's the complaint anyway, I think xorg is available now through backports.org. |
| 20:27.57 | chino[server] | I DONT WANT IT I WAS JUST ASKING ! |
| 20:28.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:28.09 | Azar | :) sweet |
| 20:28.19 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: you said "< chino[server]> idk i just thought debian was a 'do it for you' type of distro i see more now that its not" right after i told you that X.org is not in debian. what was i supposed to think? i can't read your mind. |
| 20:28.22 | bbrazil | karthik: don't forget to regenerate ssh keys etc. though |
| 20:28.34 | FreekNL | bbrazil hmm.. the problem is that I concatenated a few files that ought not be.. Now I calculated the size of the first file and think "dd" is the tool of choice for the job. (for cloning the exact number of bytes (2136020102) from the input file. |
| 20:28.40 | chino[server] | ah yes but i didn't say 'un-user-freindly' did i ;] |
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| 20:28.55 | bbrazil | FreekNL: just use count and bs together |
| 20:29.09 | SerajewelKS | chino[server]: so what does 'do it for you' mean then? |
| 20:29.19 | Azar | chino[server]: my first command line ever question was: where is Africa and I got the reply: bad command or file not found: how the fsk user-frieldy is that huh? |
| 20:29.24 | kombi | you must set a blowfish secret, I DID set a blowfish secret, phpmyadmin! ca me gonfle.. |
| 20:29.31 | chino[server] | do it foryou is the the linux you give your grandma not the one i install for me personally |
| 20:29.37 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS, chino[server]: just drop it already please; looks to be a misunderstanding, |
| 20:29.43 | grandma | chino[server] ? |
| 20:29.47 | chino[server] | hahahaha |
| 20:29.59 | chino[server] | lol sorry didn't know grams was in the room |
| 20:30.00 | thingfish | heh |
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| 20:30.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:30.03 | FreekNL | bbrazil ok, ill mess around with it for a bit, taking in the max bs size (1MB) in account. Thank mate. |
| 20:30.05 | Azar | chino[server]: I thought the computer knows and does everything I asked, I was so mad at the damn computer! |
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| 20:30.24 | chino[server] | laer |
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| 20:30.38 | bbrazil | FreekNL: thats only a suggestion for max bs, memory size is a better max, realastically 64k might be faster |
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| 20:32.28 | FreekNL | bbrazil ok, thanks |
| 20:32.30 | jaheire | hello i would like to download debian but i cant figure out which iso to grab for i386 can anyone help? im in ireland so im looking at this link ftp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/ |
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| 20:33.51 | JoshH | jaheire: most likely, ftp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:34.13 | thingfish | 3.1r1 is out. |
| 20:34.15 | jaheire | JoshH thanks |
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| 20:34.20 | thingfish | why not use that? |
| 20:34.23 | bbrazil | jaheire: if you're using that server, http will probably be faster |
| 20:34.38 | jaheire | really? |
| 20:34.43 | jaheire | hmm ok |
| 20:34.49 | jaheire | ill try and find the right one under http |
| 20:34.59 | bbrazil | jaheire: just s/ftp/http/ |
| 20:35.08 | gezick | i figured that i'd ask in here, since there's no #sed... how do i get a sed pattern to repeat itself as many times as it occurs in the string? i.e. pwd|sed 's/\//\\/' to get it to change all instances of / to \ |
| 20:35.08 | jaheire | kk |
| 20:35.23 | bbrazil | jaheire: (protocol, not domain name) |
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| 20:35.40 | starfishy | that was stupid |
| 20:35.52 | starfishy | i should have applied the patch before building a kernel package |
| 20:35.54 | starfishy | :P |
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| 20:36.02 | cisse | gezick: use the g operator at the end |
| 20:36.12 | jaheire | hmm its only 108 mb ?? |
| 20:36.17 | baa | My logfiles show localhost, instead of the machine name. Where do I fix that? |
| 20:36.20 | cisse | sed -e 's/\//\\/g' |
| 20:36.27 | gezick | rock on. thanks |
| 20:36.38 | thingfish | jaheire: it will install a base system then pull the rest off the net. |
| 20:36.45 | FreekNL | baa you could use dns or edit your /etc/hosts file |
| 20:36.58 | gezick | cisse: but the -e isn't required, right? |
| 20:37.05 | FreekNL | baa, just append your hostname after localhost |
| 20:37.11 | jaheire | thingfish i want to get a cd that has all the packages on it mainly because im in an internet cafe with real good connection |
| 20:37.16 | cisse | gezick: not sure, read the manpage, i've always used it |
| 20:37.17 | jaheire | and im going home later to install |
| 20:37.54 | thingfish | jaheire: there are 14 cds in all, but you can just get the first one or two, which will do for most desktop setups. |
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| 20:38.06 | jaheire | ok right |
| 20:38.08 | jaheire | 14 lol |
| 20:38.20 | baa | freebse: Right now it's 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain Dragonwall Dragonwall localhost.. what needs to be changed? |
| 20:38.24 | FreekNL | jaheire why dont you download the DVD using bittorrent!: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 20:38.25 | baa | err.. FreekNL |
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| 20:38.56 | jaheire | FreekNL i only have CD-r on me right now ;/ |
| 20:39.22 | FreekNL | jaheire external HD, burn it elsewhere? (or mount your DVD as a loop device perhaps) |
| 20:39.25 | opnsrc | I'm not exactly sure how sources.list works. Ok, if I type in "http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive hamm main" (I'm reading this from man sources.list) where does hamm and main have to be located? |
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| 20:39.33 | FreekNL | baa, start with using lowercase names |
| 20:39.37 | opnsrc | Do they have to be folders. Because I go to the http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive hamm main and they're located in subdirectories. |
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| 20:40.08 | opnsrc | (not in the directory specified). Or can Ham/main be located anywhere in that site (does it search for it)? |
| 20:40.15 | baa | FreekNL, That I can do. |
| 20:40.21 | thingfish | jaheire: then you'd want thtp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-10.iso |
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| 20:41.03 | odla | anyone know a good website to look and find out what the orinoco gold pc card by lucent has for a chipset? |
| 20:41.04 | FreekNL | baa, than look at the man page for the etc/hosts file "man 7 hosts", explains the whole point of this file |
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| 20:42.12 | thingfish | jaheire:oops sorry you'd want thtp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:42.14 | opnsrc | Furthermore hamm and main are located in different subdirectories |
| 20:42.27 | opnsrc | well my question is how does sudoers know where to look for them? Where does it look? |
| 20:42.33 | opnsrc | not sudoers, sources.list * |
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| 20:43.03 | BertoX | hi |
| 20:43.03 | thingfish | s/thtp/http |
| 20:43.12 | BertoX | i compiled my kernel with make-kpkg |
| 20:43.12 | jaheire | thingfish thank you :) |
| 20:43.22 | BertoX | and now i would like to compile modules i forgot |
| 20:43.29 | FreekNL | jaheire you can mount an .iso file as if it where a burned cd/dvd, thus access all your data using apt. Try to get hold of a DVD or external HD with 5GB of storage free. |
| 20:43.31 | BertoX | but just modules, and not all the kernel |
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| 20:43.44 | thingfish | jaheire: I would get the first two cds, if I were you. |
| 20:43.53 | opnsrc | How can I find documentation on where sudoers looks for "areas" and how to specify them (know which parts are areas and which ones aren't)? |
| 20:43.56 | jaheire | FreekNL im in an internet cafe :) |
| 20:44.02 | BertoX | but when i use 'mkae modules', i got this errors while trying to load it : invalid module format |
| 20:44.03 | rixth | Hi, when I try and play a song in Rhythmbox, I get this in the terminal: http://pastebin.com/520355 I have libatk, libgail, gst-plugins and have run gst-register |
| 20:44.05 | opnsrc | that way I can put only areas that exist instead of getting weird errors |
| 20:44.11 | jaheire | thingfish whats on the second cd |
| 20:44.15 | nima | does gnu talk log anything? |
| 20:44.16 | opnsrc | not sudoers, sources.list * |
| 20:44.17 | BertoX | i used options --append-to-version and --revision |
| 20:44.39 | FreekNL | jaheire well.. rip out the HD when you leave, duhh.. |
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| 20:44.42 | BertoX | is a specific way to compile needed modules without comiling my kernel again ? |
| 20:44.54 | thingfish | jaheire: CDs 1 and 2 will get you printing stuff, desktop environment stuff, samba, most of the more popular packages. |
| 20:45.03 | vin` | BertoX: module-assistant |
| 20:45.07 | opnsrc | uhm.... the kernel should automatically look for the modules |
| 20:45.09 | jaheire | thingfish is this the second cd http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso |
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| 20:45.12 | thingfish | yes |
| 20:45.13 | opnsrc | I think you can just drop the modules in place, not sure |
| 20:45.15 | jaheire | cool |
| 20:45.25 | vin` | BertoX: for third party modules. |
| 20:45.25 | gezick | cisse: is there a gotcha to using sed inside a backtick operator? |
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| 20:45.40 | opnsrc | But I doubt you need to compile the kernel again. |
| 20:45.45 | kombi | exit |
| 20:45.46 | BertoX | vin`, no |
| 20:45.51 | opnsrc | besides it automatically compiles the differences |
| 20:45.54 | BertoX | "standard" kernel modules |
| 20:46.03 | BertoX | like cryptoloop and twofish |
| 20:46.14 | BertoX | compilation is ok |
| 20:46.19 | opnsrc | meaning that if you change anything, only the differences are re - compiled. Everything else doesn't need to be (so the second time you compile something it's going to take much less time) |
| 20:46.46 | BertoX | i compiled and successsfully loaded modules (fbcon) with a "standard" kernel |
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| 20:47.16 | BertoX | but can't load this two (twofish and cryptoloop) |
| 20:47.19 | opnsrc | BertoX, just add the modules you need and re compile like normal (as long as you didn't delete anything only the differences should be compiled) |
| 20:47.42 | opnsrc | uhm.... what happens? |
| 20:47.46 | opnsrc | did you make an initrd file? |
| 20:47.49 | BertoX | opnsrc, i don't want to recomile all stuff |
| 20:47.53 | opnsrc | It won't |
| 20:47.58 | opnsrc | It only re - compiles the differences |
| 20:48.08 | BertoX | yep but |
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| 20:48.14 | opnsrc | Not everything will be re compiled, it won't take as long the second time |
| 20:48.16 | BertoX | my problem is : |
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| 20:48.26 | BertoX | i have to use third party drivers for my wifi card |
| 20:48.39 | opnsrc | and? |
| 20:48.42 | BertoX | it is like war to compile and have it useful |
| 20:48.56 | opnsrc | oh you didn't compile your current kernel |
| 20:49.01 | vin` | BertoX: which driver? |
| 20:49.07 | BertoX | and with my actual configuration, all works, except that i d"ont have cryptoloop |
| 20:49.14 | opnsrc | well I would look for driivers on synaptic for that |
| 20:49.17 | opnsrc | or apt-cache search |
| 20:49.18 | BertoX | and i recompiled a kernel with crypto look |
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| 20:49.26 | BertoX | ok but i've to configure my wifi card again :( |
| 20:49.39 | BertoX | vin`, acx111 |
| 20:49.44 | opnsrc | BertoX, I'm not getting this. ok, you compiled your own kernel, it works |
| 20:50.00 | opnsrc | Well if you re - compile it only the differences would get compiled, it should work unless you make differences that make it not work |
| 20:50.09 | cusco | BertoX: whats your wifi card? |
| 20:50.19 | BertoX | dlink |
| 20:50.25 | opnsrc | besides I don't think Wi - fi drivers should be built in the kernel. Aren't there application drivers for that (something that will load with the runlevel) |
| 20:50.25 | cusco | dlink what |
| 20:50.30 | cusco | model |
| 20:50.40 | BertoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.49 | BertoX | rev E |
| 20:50.54 | llvllatrix | Hi. I'm having trouble getting dmix running in testing; cant seem to find any resources or how to's. Can anyone suggest any links? |
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| 20:51.49 | opnsrc | Anywho, does anyone know of a documentation that will tell me which directories / subdirectories sources.list searches in based on what you put? |
| 20:51.52 | BertoX | thx guys who coded driver :) |
| 20:51.54 | opnsrc | IE: main, stable, etc... |
| 20:52.00 | Thanatermesis | i have created a user, and in the /etc/group file, this user has a UID "109", this is normal ? the UID's for the normal users don't start by "1000" ? |
| 20:52.16 | cusco | BertoX: doesn't that works with ndiswrapper? |
| 20:52.19 | quitte | can a nfs server run as a user ? |
| 20:52.26 | BertoX | ndiswrapper sux |
| 20:52.29 | cusco | true |
| 20:52.40 | BertoX | can't use my card as AP |
| 20:52.50 | cusco | oh.. |
| 20:52.59 | BertoX | can't al things i want to do with my card |
| 20:53.03 | BertoX | not like a native drivers |
| 20:53.06 | BertoX | and |
| 20:53.15 | BertoX | i tested both with dlink drivers on win2K |
| 20:53.23 | BertoX | and on linux with open drivers |
| 20:53.27 | BertoX | the way is |
| 20:53.38 | BertoX | on linux my card works better |
| 20:53.40 | BertoX | in any way |
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| 20:53.54 | BertoX | (sorry for my english ... ) |
| 20:53.54 | rixth | Hi, when I try and play a song in Rhythmbox, I get this in the terminal: http://pastebin.com/520355 I have libatk, libgail, gst-plugins and have run gst-register |
| 20:54.05 | opnsrc | what port does apt-get get files from? |
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| 20:54.10 | qt4x11 | i used dpkg -i filename.deb to install - how do i uninstall? dpkg -r? |
| 20:54.21 | rixth | opnsrc, the port on your end differs |
| 20:54.22 | blondie | opnsrc: that depends on the source |
| 20:54.28 | opnsrc | no the port on the other end |
| 20:54.39 | blondie | opnsrc: if it's an http source, port 80 |
| 20:54.44 | blondie | or whatever you want |
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| 20:54.50 | blondie | (whatever the server used) |
| 20:54.52 | blondie | *uses |
| 20:54.54 | opnsrc | oh. because I go to http://www.steve.org.uk/apt and it doesn't show a listing |
| 20:55.04 | BertoX | but because drivers are in dev state, there is no easy way to install them |
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| 20:55.28 | blondie | opnsrc: what do you mean? |
| 20:55.29 | BertoX | and so i don't understand why i can't compile cryptoloop module for now :( |
| 20:55.57 | opnsrc | http://www.steve.org.uk/apt/ tells me to add deb http://www.steve.org.uk/apt (some other stuff) to the sources.list |
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| 20:56.04 | blondie | opnsrc: yes |
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| 20:56.15 | opnsrc | Yet when I go to http://www.steve.org.uk/apt it doesn't show a listing of the programs. How does sources.list know which programs there there? |
| 20:56.41 | blondie | because it doesn't look in that dir |
| 20:56.48 | usn | hi folx |
| 20:56.48 | blondie | or rather, it doesn't need the list |
| 20:56.49 | opnsrc | Yeah, so where does it look and how do I tell? |
| 20:56.51 | blondie | it knows what to get |
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| 20:57.22 | blondie | it doesn't need the server to give it a list in the form of a webpage/directory listing |
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| 20:57.32 | blondie | so it doesn't have one |
| 20:57.47 | opnsrc | How does it just know what to get? |
| 20:57.56 | opnsrc | see, I can't find any documentation on this |
| 20:57.58 | e_nonick | hm, net connection feels extremely slow.. can I somehow see what's hogging all the bandwidth? |
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| 20:58.22 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: http://www.steve.org.uk/apt/dists/sarge/ |
| 20:58.27 | opnsrc | that way I can just tell what to add in my sources.list (IE: main, etc...) because half the time I get errors but when I go to the site it shows a listing of weird stuff |
| 20:58.39 | blondie | opnsrc: apt-get update requests a listing |
| 20:58.53 | blondie | opnsrc: just add the lines the site tells you to ad |
| 20:58.55 | blondie | d |
| 20:59.09 | opnsrc | yeah and it works one day and not another |
| 20:59.35 | opnsrc | and many repositories have no documentation on what to add and some of it is wrong |
| 20:59.43 | blondie | oh |
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| 21:00.01 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: http://www.steve.org.uk/apt/pool -- pick from those |
| 21:00.06 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 21:00.21 | opnsrc | I found that, I just want to learn how this stuff works |
| 21:00.22 | opnsrc | thanks though |
| 21:00.30 | Squizz | Can anybody help me out with cygwin per chance? |
| 21:01.07 | nima | theres a #cygwin |
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| 21:01.35 | Squizz | aha - that would probably help |
| 21:01.36 | Squizz | lol |
| 21:01.38 | Squizz | thanks very much |
| 21:01.46 | Thanatermesis | EXPERTS: i have created a user, and in the /etc/group file, this user has a UID "109", this is normal ? the UID's for the normal users don't start by "1000" ? |
| 21:01.52 | opnsrc | so is it either going to be in apt or dists? |
| 21:01.55 | thunder000 | what's the best way to have MySQL 5 / PHP 5 / apache 2 on debian stable ? shall I just chage apt-get repos to unstable and download them via apt-get? |
| 21:01.56 | opnsrc | or dist |
| 21:02.16 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: define "it" |
| 21:02.27 | opnsrc | where sources.list will look |
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| 21:02.36 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: it will look at dist/Packages |
| 21:02.46 | opnsrc | or apt |
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| 21:02.56 | SerajewelKS | thunder000: not if you want a secure system |
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| 21:03.10 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:03.16 | pm_ | in linux, there is diff btw workgroup and domain? |
| 21:03.26 | SerajewelKS | pm_: in windows too |
| 21:03.53 | blondie | pm_: you mean in samba? |
| 21:03.59 | thunder000 | SerajewelKS: I just want it as a php/mysql development system. |
| 21:04.14 | SerajewelKS | thunder000: just install etch then |
| 21:04.24 | cisse | thunder000: sounds solid for mysql/php/apache2 |
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| 21:04.49 | opnsrc | SerajewelKS, not apt, pool |
| 21:04.56 | thunder000 | etch is the testing ? |
| 21:05.00 | SerajewelKS | thunder000: yes |
| 21:05.06 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: what? |
| 21:05.10 | thunder000 | does it have MySQL 5 ? |
| 21:05.17 | pm_ | blondie yes |
| 21:05.20 | opnsrc | in http://www.steve.org.uk/apt/ it automatically looked in pool. How did it know |
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| 21:05.26 | SerajewelKS | thunder000: yes |
| 21:05.26 | opnsrc | I mean no where in the sources.list file is pool even mentioned |
| 21:05.34 | tummyacid | is there a way to reinstall debian without using a cdrom? ive already got a running version of debain on the machine but the partitions are totally wrong |
| 21:05.38 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: because that's how apt works |
| 21:05.42 | blondie | pm_: yes, the difference is the same as on windows |
| 21:05.46 | opnsrc | what if there were multiple directories |
| 21:05.53 | pm_ | blondie i want to know how do i join in a samba domain, with linux. |
| 21:06.00 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: then it wouldn't be a debian package reopsitory |
| 21:06.03 | SerajewelKS | repository* |
| 21:06.16 | opnsrc | uhm... let me search for an example |
| 21:06.31 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: good luck |
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| 21:07.12 | blondie | pm_: well, you put security = domain in smb.conf, and make sure workgroup = the domain name |
| 21:07.17 | opnsrc | in http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ it searches there are two possibilities, projects and dists |
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| 21:07.52 | opnsrc | the entry is http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free how does it know which of the two to search in? |
| 21:08.20 | azeem | opnsrc: it always takes dists |
| 21:08.24 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: it doesn't. it looks in pool, that's it |
| 21:08.28 | cisse | opnsrc: always searchs in dists, porbably uses a pool |
| 21:08.29 | blondie | pm_: then you do "net rpc join" |
| 21:08.34 | blondie | but that's very simplified |
| 21:08.45 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: 'projects' is not touched by apt |
| 21:08.51 | opnsrc | wow, 3 different answers |
| 21:08.52 | blondie | pm_: read the domain stuff here: http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ |
| 21:08.56 | opnsrc | anywho, thanks SerajewelKS |
| 21:09.02 | pm_ | blondie ahh, so to access a domain with linux i need samba? |
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| 21:09.13 | opnsrc | I think pool is the only consistency among them all. Thanks |
| 21:09.25 | pm_ | blondie i thought that samba was only to make a domain server |
| 21:09.28 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: pool and dists |
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| 21:09.32 | blondie | pm_: |
| 21:09.36 | blondie | um |
| 21:09.48 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: those are the only two directories that apt touches |
| 21:09.50 | blondie | pm_: do you want it to be a server too? or what |
| 21:09.53 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:10.00 | opnsrc | (why isn't there documentation that tells me this) |
| 21:10.01 | blondie | pm_: do you just want to mount a share? |
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| 21:10.46 | SerajewelKS | pm_: there is a samba server and a samba client |
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| 21:13.01 | pm_ | blondie no, i just want to connect in a domain...so i need samba too right? |
| 21:13.10 | pm_ | ahh |
| 21:13.29 | pm_ | ok, client and server...i thought that linux had something buildin to this.. |
| 21:13.36 | blondie | pm_: why do you want to join it to the domain? |
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| 21:13.44 | blondie | what do you actualy want to do with it? |
| 21:13.50 | SerajewelKS | pm_: linux has nothing "built in" |
| 21:14.01 | SerajewelKS | pm_: that's what linux distributions are for |
| 21:14.45 | pm_ | i have a small network, and i want that all machines join to the domain of my server, so they can access the files in the server and i can identify how is using and grant access or not, etc.. |
| 21:14.51 | opnsrc | ok, now the format is deb http://host/debian distribution section1 section2 section3 . What does distribution do, or can I make up anything for that? |
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| 21:14.59 | Mr-R | pm_: you could try smbclient or smbmount from the linux side |
| 21:15.00 | blondie | er well |
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| 21:15.13 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: it tells it where to look under /dists and /pool |
| 21:15.13 | blondie | it doesn't work like that in *nix |
| 21:15.24 | nipra | Can I obtain the list of "Required" files using apt? |
| 21:15.27 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: so theoretically, you can pick any name |
| 21:15.28 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: the distribution chooses which distribution you want; man sources.list for details on what it does exactly. |
| 21:15.35 | pm_ | hmm |
| 21:15.37 | dondelelcaro | nipra: no, but you can get a list of the essential files |
| 21:15.46 | dondelelcaro | (using grep-dctrl or similar) |
| 21:15.47 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: assuming that it's your repository, of course |
| 21:16.18 | pm_ | ok |
| 21:16.19 | pm_ | see |
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| 21:16.32 | opnsrc | SerajewelKS I ran into situations where if you pick the wrong name it gives errors (ie: once it had to be ./ ) |
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| 21:17.03 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: because the repo admin was too lame to make folders for things |
| 21:17.16 | pm_ | i have a server, and i want this server to serve the network with IP's, files and internet. so i've installed samba and the dhcpd3 |
| 21:17.26 | opnsrc | Nothing wrong with that, I just want to understand what distributon does |
| 21:17.29 | pm_ | i did it right? |
| 21:17.30 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: and of course if you pick the wrong name it gives erorrs. that's what a wrong name is, something that doesn't work. |
| 21:17.43 | llvllatrix | hi guys, I'm trying to get sound mixing working on testing. I'm not exactly sure what the problem is however. Any suggestions? |
| 21:18.00 | SerajewelKS | pm_: you also need a proxy or NAT set up |
| 21:18.08 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:18.20 | opnsrc | Well I want to be able to look at a repository and figure out exactly what I want in my sources.list |
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| 21:18.28 | opnsrc | but the man sources.list does not give enough information to do that |
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| 21:18.37 | pm_ | SerajewelKS for what? for the web access? |
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| 21:18.54 | pm_ | SerajewelKS some one told me that samba could do this... |
| 21:18.56 | SerajewelKS | pm_: a proxy will only do web sites, for everything else you'd need NAT |
| 21:19.06 | SerajewelKS | pm_: someone told you that samba could share internet access? |
| 21:19.07 | pm_ | SerajewelKS http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Samba-Authenticated-Gateway-HOWTO-3.html |
| 21:19.08 | azeem | opnsrc: if the Packages.gz is in the same directory as the .debs, it's usually deb ftp://ftp.foo.org/bar/ ./ |
| 21:19.23 | Thrawn | Hey guys. Does anyone know when packages.debian.org |
| 21:19.25 | azeem | opnsrc: if there is a dists/ directory, you need to pass it a distribution and sections |
| 21:19.29 | azeem | Thrawn: no |
| 21:19.33 | Thrawn | will be back up? |
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| 21:19.36 | SerajewelKS | pm_: section 3.3 |
| 21:19.41 | opnsrc | but if it's a pool you just need sections? |
| 21:19.42 | SerajewelKS | pm_: that's NAT, and has nothing to do with samba |
| 21:19.47 | pm_ | there is any tutorial that explains how to mount this small network? |
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| 21:19.58 | Orfeous | cant find any channel for Ntop.. |
| 21:20.11 | Thrawn | :( k -- do you guys suggest any way of finding a file in a package you dont have installedd (ie: i want to find a package that has /bin/sh in it, but I dont have that package installed), in the mean time? |
| 21:20.36 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:20.43 | SerajewelKS | pm_: all samba is doing there is configuring NAT through scripts |
| 21:20.53 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: apt-get install apt-file |
| 21:20.56 | pm_ | this is a intranet server... im having problems when i want to block the sites that users can access. |
| 21:20.56 | azeem | opnsrc: the pool is orthogonal to that |
| 21:21.06 | Orfeous | Thrawn: i think you can use dpkg.. |
| 21:21.11 | Thrawn | SerajewelKS: ok thanks, ill man it |
| 21:21.12 | SerajewelKS | pm_: why would you want to do that |
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| 21:21.44 | SerajewelKS | pm_: is this server for an office or a home? |
| 21:21.47 | pm_ | i dont want the users to access porno sites. because they use windows with IE. |
| 21:21.50 | pm_ | office |
| 21:22.17 | SerajewelKS | pm_: i don't mean to sound rude, but how exactly did you come about this job if you can't figure out NAT? |
| 21:22.31 | abrotman | !nicesmite SerajewelKS |
| 21:22.49 | pm_ | this is not my job. they told me to do this..im militar. |
| 21:22.54 | trollboy | is there a command line gui for apt? |
| 21:22.56 | blondie | I'd use squid or something for evil web mastering |
| 21:23.01 | azeem | trollboy: yes |
| 21:23.02 | blondie | ah military, that explains it :p |
| 21:23.09 | pm_ | =] |
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| 21:23.13 | SerajewelKS | pm_: that explains a lot... why the government sucks, for example |
| 21:23.17 | blondie | s/mastering/censoring/ |
| 21:23.23 | starfishy | trollboy: its called aptitude |
| 21:23.24 | pm_ | i just need a tutorial that explais how to make this server. |
| 21:23.26 | trollboy | azeem, would you be kind enough to share the |
| 21:23.28 | trollboy | ah thanks |
| 21:23.36 | SerajewelKS | pm_: if you have the option, tell your superior that they need to find someone more qualified |
| 21:23.41 | starfishy | and aptitude is also a drop-in replacement for apt-get |
| 21:23.50 | pm_ | with IP server, internet server and file server |
| 21:23.59 | SerajewelKS | pm_: if it's a life-and-death thing, set up NAT and be done with it. don't worry about blocking sites, you'll need a proxy to do that. |
| 21:24.03 | blondie | IP server? |
| 21:24.07 | SerajewelKS | blondie: dhcp |
| 21:24.08 | blondie | do you mean DHCP |
| 21:24.10 | blondie | ooh |
| 21:24.12 | blondie | -o |
| 21:24.24 | pm_ | yes |
| 21:24.36 | abrotman | starfishy: not exactly drop in |
| 21:24.47 | pm_ | so, i need samba to the file server, dhcp to the ip server, and a proxy to the internet server? |
| 21:24.49 | Orfeous | are there any ntop-channel? i cant find any people on it.. |
| 21:24.59 | blondie | pm_: are teh clients running windows? |
| 21:25.00 | SerajewelKS | pm_: proxy for HTTP stuff, yes |
| 21:25.03 | pm_ | there is any easy to install proxy? |
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| 21:25.04 | opnsrc | Well I still have questions but I think I nagged this channel enough. Thanks everyone |
| 21:25.08 | pm_ | blondie yes |
| 21:25.12 | Gnea | pm_: you're setting up a government network with no prior experience? |
| 21:25.17 | SerajewelKS | pm_: if you need other internet applications (ssh, aim, etc) you need to set up NAT |
| 21:25.18 | blondie | jeez |
| 21:25.34 | pm_ | Gnea is a intranet...there will be no remote servers to this machine. |
| 21:25.39 | SerajewelKS | pm_: but yeah, tell your superior that you don't know what you're doing |
| 21:25.50 | Gnea | pm_: and that's supposed to make it secure? |
| 21:26.05 | starfishy | interesting: kicker (KDE-panel) crashes after installation of newly built 2.6.15.1 kernel |
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| 21:26.27 | SerajewelKS | starfishy: what's unusual about kicker crashing |
| 21:26.35 | pm_ | Gnea yes? if i have no remote access to it, whats the problem with security? there will be no open ports. |
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| 21:26.48 | b_ | what's the basic algrothm used for test editor,, |
| 21:26.52 | blondie | what? |
| 21:26.57 | pm_ | SerajewelKS ok, i will find a tutorial by my self. |
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| 21:27.09 | Thrawn | by the time you guys have given pm_ the third degree you could have helped him and sent him on his way |
| 21:27.15 | starfishy | sera: seemed kinda stable lately, was already wondering what was wrong ;) |
| 21:27.17 | Gnea | pm_: you have no business setting up a government network, be it internal or external. get the fuck out now, find another job. |
| 21:27.25 | blondie | Thrawn: and he'd have done it horribly wrong |
| 21:27.25 | ming | what's the basic algorithm used for test editor,, |
| 21:27.28 | fernando30 | alguien habla español¿¿??? |
| 21:27.33 | ming | text editor |
| 21:27.36 | SerajewelKS | fernando30: #debian-es |
| 21:27.37 | blondie | ming: please ask a question that makes sense |
| 21:27.47 | fernando30 | speak spanish???? |
| 21:27.53 | Gnea | !es |
| 21:27.53 | ming | no |
| 21:27.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:27.54 | blondie | !es |
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| 21:28.11 | blondie | haha |
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| 21:29.02 | Thrawn | pm_: lets go through this one step at a time, what exactly do you need to do... first? |
| 21:29.09 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: get training |
| 21:29.31 | pm_ | i need to configure a server of IP, files, and internet, and i want to find a tutorial that explains it. |
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| 21:29.50 | Gnea | pm_: www.tldp.org has a plethora of tutorials |
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| 21:29.56 | SerajewelKS | pm_: dhcpd/dnsmasq, samba, iptables/apache |
| 21:30.09 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:30.09 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 21:30.22 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:30.22 | pm_ | apache? |
| 21:30.33 | opnsrc | what would I put under distribution for http://http.us.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/ |
| 21:30.33 | SerajewelKS | pm_: iptables or apache. apache can proxy. |
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| 21:30.39 | pm_ | SerajewelKS iptables and apache? i cant block urls with them right? |
| 21:30.45 | opnsrc | since main , contrib, and non-free are all in that directory |
| 21:30.50 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.54 | pm_ | SerajewelKS hmm |
| 21:31.00 | SerajewelKS | pm_: you can do simple blocking with apache |
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| 21:31.10 | SerajewelKS | pm_: but you'll probably overblock |
| 21:31.16 | opnsrc | I wouldn't mess with iptables, it's a drag |
| 21:31.28 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: the hell it's not ;) |
| 21:31.30 | opnsrc | (well I know little about it) |
| 21:31.36 | opnsrc | heh |
| 21:31.37 | pm_ | SerajewelKS apache is easier then squid to this task? |
| 21:31.42 | blondie | why do you want apache? |
| 21:31.42 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: iptables is one of the coolest things to play around with |
| 21:31.47 | blondie | apache is a web server not a proxy |
| 21:31.47 | blondie | ffs |
| 21:31.51 | SerajewelKS | pm_: i haven't used squid, so i don't know |
| 21:31.53 | blondie | pm_: quit |
| 21:31.57 | opnsrc | I messed with it but I guess I still need to learn more about it |
| 21:32.00 | SerajewelKS | blondie: tell that to my sarge box |
| 21:32.05 | pm_ | blondie read what SerajewelKS told about apache |
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| 21:32.17 | SerajewelKS | blondie: mod_proxy |
| 21:32.23 | blondie | well seems crazy :P |
| 21:32.23 | opnsrc | anywho, for http://http.us.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/ what should I put? |
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| 21:32.28 | Azar | apache was/is a native american tribe |
| 21:32.54 | thingfish | yeah, thank goodness they didn't name it passamaquoddy. |
| 21:33.10 | Azar | :) yep |
| 21:33.15 | baa | I'm trying to apt-get install a package, but it won't saying it's trying to overwrite an item which is in another package. How do I fix that? |
| 21:33.30 | SerajewelKS | blondie: you'd be crazy to run apache exclusively as a proxy, yes, but when you have three vhosts running, it saves installing squid |
| 21:33.32 | dondelelcaro | it's really the english name for the tribe; the actual tribe calls themselves N'de |
| 21:33.44 | Azar | baa I guess that is calling "updating" an existing package? |
| 21:33.45 | thingfish | oh neat, dondelelcaro. |
| 21:33.47 | SerajewelKS | baa: remove the other package |
| 21:34.06 | baa | Azar: Yes. |
| 21:34.26 | DJ_Nacht | Coud anyone here help me instll knoppix on a computer? |
| 21:34.33 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 21:34.33 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 21:34.34 | SerajewelKS | DJ_Nacht: #knoppix |
| 21:34.44 | DJ_Nacht | Oh. |
| 21:34.47 | DJ_Nacht | Thanx. |
| 21:34.55 | Gnea | good luck |
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| 21:35.34 | SerajewelKS | what about 'based on debian' makes people think that debian supports it |
| 21:35.41 | opnsrc | I mean I would think to put deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/project/ ./ contrib main non-free |
| 21:35.42 | Thrawn | pm_: you have the right idea. I would start with setting up the fileserver/ip. ip should be already setup if you have debian installed (if not, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/)... to set up samba: |
| 21:35.46 | Thrawn | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html |
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| 21:36.05 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: if you can't figure out how to use experimental, you have no business using it |
| 21:36.16 | Azar | "If you are doing connection tracking or NAT, you never need to worry about fragments" now how would I know if I am doing connection tracking or NAT? |
| 21:36.26 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: debian does not install dhcpd by default |
| 21:36.32 | opnsrc | I want to figure out how this stuff works |
| 21:37.11 | Gnea | pm_: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ is a great resource as well |
| 21:37.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yes it does. |
| 21:37.12 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: eh? |
| 21:37.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: oh, dhcpd |
| 21:37.12 | opnsrc | Besides, with that attitude, I'll never learn anything |
| 21:37.12 | Gnea | nvm |
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| 21:37.13 | Thrawn | Gnea: you want to be able to have other machines get IP's from your server? |
| 21:37.13 | pm_ | Thrawn i have installed the dcpd3-server |
| 21:37.23 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: generally you want to learn about packaging software for debian first |
| 21:37.25 | Gnea | pm_: excellent choice. |
| 21:37.32 | pm_ | Thrawn and for internet? |
| 21:37.33 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: because to help out in experimental at all you'll need to know that |
| 21:37.40 | pm_ | Gnea thanks for the site |
| 21:37.40 | zeenix | where does dpkg unpacks packages? |
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| 21:37.46 | SerajewelKS | zeenix: / |
| 21:37.55 | abrotman | i think he means before install |
| 21:37.59 | Gnea | pm_: you're welcome :) |
| 21:38.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that would be apt then, no? |
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| 21:38.11 | zeenix | how do i get rid of packages that dpkg was able to unpack but not install |
| 21:38.13 | PupenoL | How do you change the fdqn of a computer ? hostname says mycomputer, but hostname -f says localhost.localdomain. |
| 21:38.14 | Golfgeo | hi all |
| 21:38.15 | SerajewelKS | zeenix: dpkg -r |
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| 21:38.16 | Azar | opnsrc: the sources links in apt are made of three main parts: the url address, the version you are running and the optional types of packages you are looking for. |
| 21:38.23 | Thrawn | pm_: theres a very big difference here. If you want other machines to get assigned ip's automatically from your server, you do need dhcpd (I doubt it. I would check with the network admin before you install dhcpd). Otherwise, you dont |
| 21:38.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'd actually suspect it goes to a | |
| 21:38.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: though .. i know nothing about the internals of how dpkg/apt work .. just what the man page tells me! |
| 21:38.45 | Thrawn | pm_: if you install dhcpd on a network that already has automatically assigned addresses, your asking for trouble |
| 21:38.54 | Gnea | Thrawn: that's what dhcp3-server provides - it's newer and more robust than the simple dhcp |
| 21:39.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ignorance is bliss =) |
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| 21:39.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's good too! |
| 21:39.15 | pm_ | Thrawn no, the machines had static ip, and this was a pain to mantain. |
| 21:39.26 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:39.40 | zeenix | SerajewelKS: it isn't what i actually wanted but still it does the magic, thanks |
| 21:39.59 | Thrawn | pm_: then they are correct, you need some form of dhcpd, read: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DHCP/index.html look at DHCP server Setup |
| 21:40.01 | pm_ | Thrawn i want them to automatically assign an ip. |
| 21:40.03 | SerajewelKS | zeenix: it's the answer to your question |
| 21:40.30 | pm_ | Thrawn thats ok, but and for the internet? i want to block some sites.. |
| 21:40.30 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: dnsmasq is nice too |
| 21:40.35 | Gnea | pm_: you can set each machine to assign a specific IP address - the config file is heavily commented and tells you how to set it up |
| 21:40.43 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: dhcp / dns proxy |
| 21:41.01 | Thrawn | SerajewelKS: interesting, I've never used that. Thanks for the tip. |
| 21:41.09 | sandman | I'm getting SSL errors @ elinks |
| 21:41.12 | Gnea | pm_: blocking sites is relatively easy, iptables (OUTPUT) and squid can easily work together on that |
| 21:41.21 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: i use it on my home network.. it's a nifty little server |
| 21:41.37 | sandman | It doesn't tell me what exactly is wrong. It just says there's an error |
| 21:41.37 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: saves you from installing bind anyway |
| 21:41.38 | pm_ | Gnea only with iptables, is that possible? or i need squid too? |
| 21:42.10 | Thrawn | SerajewelKS: I always used bind, but I could never figure out how to get the hosts working. Ill check it out, thanks :) |
| 21:42.13 | jlj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.23 | jlj_ | sorry :( |
| 21:42.25 | Gnea | pm_: blocking sites is like making coffee - you need water and coffee bean - so you'd need iptables and a web proxy server |
| 21:42.27 | opnsrc | ok I think I'm figuring this out. it automatically searches dists (that's what the error said). So you put .. so it gets out of dists and searches the previous directory. Then it worked. Thanks |
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| 21:42.56 | opnsrc | but now it's giving me some stupid conflict error |
| 21:42.59 | hungry-hobo | erm.. |
| 21:43.03 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: did you try just changing 'stable' to 'experimental' in your previous config? |
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| 21:43.14 | Gnea | !iptables |
| 21:43.14 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
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| 21:43.30 | opnsrc | where would I do that? |
| 21:43.33 | hungry-hobo | hey guys..what up?? figured i needed a decent chat channel not full of newbs where i can find a decet conversation every one in a while |
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| 21:43.36 | Gnea | pm_: check those sites too, a LOT of good documentation there |
| 21:43.40 | hungry-hobo | just figured i would introduce myself |
| 21:43.48 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: what was your original deb line? |
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| 21:44.02 | hungry-hobo | so suck of being in chat channels full of ppl using xp not even knowing or wantoing to even figure out how to run mirc lol |
| 21:44.02 | Gnea | hungry-hobo: nobody cares, we're a support channel, so state your problem or don't troll, please. |
| 21:44.13 | hungry-hobo | oh in that case.. |
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| 21:44.25 | hungry-hobo | is there a debian chat channel? |
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| 21:44.26 | opnsrc | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/ experimental contrib main non-free |
| 21:44.32 | SerajewelKS | hungry-hobo: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:44.35 | pm_ | Gnea so i really need the proxy server. soo, looks simple now, i need samba to the filesharing, dhcpd3-server to the ip server, and a web proxy server to the internet. but there is a situation, i want the clients to only be able to access the web if they are loged to the domain. |
| 21:44.48 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: try deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental contrib main non-free |
| 21:44.51 | hungry-hobo | cool..i can do that thanks..i forgot how quick elitists were quick to start flaming lol |
| 21:45.04 | pm_ | i've saw times, when the client set up an static ip and the gateway, and he had access to the web. |
| 21:45.06 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:45.10 | SerajewelKS | hungry-hobo: elitists? this is a support channel, that's all there is to it. |
| 21:45.12 | hungry-hobo | peace out |
| 21:45.17 | hungry-hobo | ok..then |
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| 21:45.20 | schmitt | When I ssh to a machine, it does not source my .bashrc file even though I used chsh to /bin/bash. What do I do to automatically source .bashrc when logging in? |
| 21:45.21 | Gnea | pm_: that's simple, just set a bit on roaming profiles |
| 21:45.21 | Thrawn | pm_: I dont know of a way to do the domain part of it. But I would start this way tho: dhcpd, samba, proxy, then domain |
| 21:45.24 | hungry-hobo | but u coulda went about it alittle quicker man |
| 21:45.32 | Gnea | hungry-hobo: that wasn't a flame, i was just telling you how it is. |
| 21:45.37 | hungry-hobo | anyways i dont wanna hinder u for real |
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| 21:45.49 | adlr | ah, i think my desktop is bigger than my screen. is there a way to fix this? |
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| 21:45.57 | pm_ | Gnea roaming profiles? hmm i will google for it. |
| 21:46.00 | SerajewelKS | adlr: CTRL+ALT+- |
| 21:46.01 | adlr | when i minimize windows they go off screen |
| 21:46.04 | adlr | ok |
| 21:46.05 | opnsrc | now I get it |
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| 21:46.12 | pitillo | I have a problem with my ups, with usb connection, in dmesg I can see: usbhid: probe of 4-2:1.0 failed with error -5 |
| 21:46.13 | pitillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.22 | Gnea | pm_: yeah, it's part of samba |
| 21:46.22 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: exactly. 'projects' is not a debian repo. it's ignored. |
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| 21:46.40 | Thrawn | alright, thanks for the tips Serajewel. I'll see you all later |
| 21:46.42 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: 'experimental' in there is probably just a symlink on the server |
| 21:46.47 | SerajewelKS | Thrawn: peace |
| 21:46.47 | JohnGH | schmitt: normally you have something call it from your .profile |
| 21:46.58 | adlr | SerajewelKS: hm, that does nothing |
| 21:47.14 | SerajewelKS | adlr: X might be misconfigured |
| 21:47.21 | pm_ | a question, in the clients i have to set only the gateway or the dns servers too? can i point the dns servers to the same ip that the gateway is, and the gateway do the job? |
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| 21:47.40 | adlr | i'll look at my Xconf... |
| 21:47.42 | SerajewelKS | pm_: use dnsmasq for that |
| 21:47.47 | Gnea | pm_: you can use iptables to setup a transparent web proxy - that is, regardless if people set their web browser to specifically use a proxy or not, they would use the proxy anyway |
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| 21:47.59 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: you can? |
| 21:48.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you didn't know that? |
| 21:48.05 | opnsrc | so sarge makes it look in pool then |
| 21:48.17 | Gnea | that's been around for years |
| 21:48.20 | opnsrc | in opposed to dists |
| 21:48.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: well i mean you can forward 80 to a server, but how does the server know what site to go ti? |
| 21:48.30 | SerajewelKS | to* |
| 21:48.45 | opnsrc | n/m it always looks in dists |
| 21:48.46 | opnsrc | Heh |
| 21:48.48 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: that's squid's job |
| 21:48.49 | opnsrc | Got it |
| 21:48.59 | pm_ | ahhh |
| 21:49.04 | Steven_6040 | you setup iptables to forward port 80 to a proxy server (something like squid). unfortunately when you do this you lose any ability to authenticate users |
| 21:49.05 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: but the HTTP request will not contain the hostname |
| 21:49.07 | pm_ | iptables or dnsmasq? |
| 21:49.28 | Gnea | Steven_6040: for a government office, that may be desireable |
| 21:49.36 | SerajewelKS | pm_: dnsmasq is a DHCP server + DNS proxy |
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| 21:49.55 | Gnea | pm_: iptables is what really controls a firewall |
| 21:49.58 | Steven_6040 | authentication oftens means 'monitoring' - something people in the government like to do |
| 21:50.13 | cisse | ugh iptables and a firewall |
| 21:50.22 | pm_ | SerajewelKS that means that in the clients i will have to set the proxy of the web browser to the ip of my server? or is a transparent proxy as Gnea said? |
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| 21:50.37 | SerajewelKS | pm_: this is for DNS, completely unrelated |
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| 21:51.00 | JohnGH | What do I need to do to get ncurses support in Python? |
| 21:51.03 | SerajewelKS | gah i'm done with this |
| 21:51.09 | SerajewelKS | pm_: get a different job |
| 21:51.11 | Gnea | Steven_6040: only some sites prevent that - especially large sites such as ebay and myspace |
| 21:51.29 | Gnea | Steven_6040: people in a government office shouldn't be logging into those in the first place |
| 21:51.35 | SerajewelKS | pm_: again i do not mean to be rude but you have absolutely no idea what you're doing |
| 21:52.02 | unicornrose | Hello |
| 21:52.09 | pm_ | SerajewelKS i told them this. but i have to obey the orders. i dont have too much choice. |
| 21:52.22 | Steven_6040 | Gnea, i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:52.23 | pm_ | so i will make this server run. |
| 21:52.29 | Gnea | pm_: http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO.html <-- read this. |
| 21:52.36 | pm_ | but anyway, thanks for the knowledge and the sites. |
| 21:52.40 | Gnea | Steven_6040: that's fine. |
| 21:52.47 | SerajewelKS | pm_: well i wish you the best of luck, but i need to shower and eat |
| 21:53.19 | SerajewelKS | pm_: at least you are trying to understand, and that's better than a good portion of the people who ask for help in here |
| 21:53.40 | starfishy | sera: too true :( |
| 21:54.02 | pm_ | =] |
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| 21:54.17 | pm_ | thats because i NEED to understand it. |
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| 21:54.27 | SerajewelKS | pm_: but unfortunately it does confirm that the government has no clue what its doing |
| 21:54.34 | pm_ | hahaha |
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| 21:54.41 | pm_ | there is no doubt. |
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| 21:54.57 | Gnea | pm_: just take the time and read the docs we gave you, if you've got some time for this, you'll do fine |
| 21:54.59 | unicornrose | Hello Everyone I am looking for help in getting my Debian 3.1 to aknowledge the rest of my hard drives so that I can browse to them when I am on my desktop. |
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| 21:55.06 | SerajewelKS | pm_: how long do you have to get it running |
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| 21:55.19 | Gnea | unicornrose: what hard drives? |
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| 21:55.26 | pm_ | 5 days |
| 21:55.37 | SerajewelKS | pm_: not too bad |
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| 21:55.44 | pm_ | but i have other things to do there, so this i will make at home |
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| 21:55.54 | pm_ | from 18 to 23 |
| 21:56.05 | unicornrose | Gnea: Well it lets me browse the one that is running debian but I have two other hard drives on my system. |
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| 21:56.21 | tischbein | guten abend |
| 21:56.22 | streuner | pm_: you need serious help then |
| 21:56.28 | streuner | tischbein: talk english |
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| 21:56.34 | SerajewelKS | !gr |
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| 21:56.34 | tischbein | sry |
| 21:56.34 | dpkg | [gr] for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el |
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| 21:56.39 | SerajewelKS | gah |
| 21:56.39 | tischbein | need suport |
| 21:56.46 | beardy | !ask |
| 21:56.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:56.49 | SerajewelKS | what's the country code for germany |
| 21:56.52 | Azar | !de |
| 21:56.53 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 21:56.56 | SerajewelKS | yeah =) |
| 21:56.59 | unicornrose | de |
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| 21:57.36 | SerajewelKS | ever seen 'butterfly' in german? it's like 20 letters =) |
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| 21:57.47 | SerajewelKS | i wish i could speak german |
| 21:57.51 | quitte | Schmetterling |
| 21:57.53 | tischbein | thx |
| 21:57.56 | unicornrose | I can a little bit Sea |
| 21:57.59 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 21:57.59 | pm_ | there is just an obscure point for me, iptables can do the internet gateway right? but he can't block the clients from accessing some sites, right? |
| 21:58.02 | unicornrose | Sera even |
| 21:58.04 | Azar | SerajewelKS: how would that sound? butterflute? |
| 21:58.10 | SerajewelKS | quitte: okay so 13, but it sounds cool |
| 21:58.23 | SerajewelKS | pm_: correct |
| 21:58.27 | starfishy | my english is good enough for me to be in here though I guess |
| 21:58.29 | Gnea | unicornrose: how do you know debian isn't detecting them? |
| 21:58.32 | SerajewelKS | pm_: it routes on the IP level |
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| 21:58.47 | quitte | SerajewelKS: and schmettern means break into pieces :D |
| 21:58.54 | pm_ | damn, so i need to install a proxy only to block sites? =/ |
| 21:58.55 | quitte | SerajewelKS: shatter |
| 21:58.59 | Gnea | pm_: it can do anything you want it to do. |
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| 21:59.06 | SerajewelKS | quitte: let's go schmettern some schmetterlings |
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| 21:59.17 | LoPMX | hi does anyone have a gaim2 beta2 deb package? |
| 21:59.18 | pm_ | Gnea ? <SerajewelKS> pm_: correct |
| 21:59.23 | jzono1 | hi |
| 21:59.25 | Gnea | pm_: there's no easy plug-it-in-and-go app, you need to configure it. |
| 21:59.25 | unicornrose | Gnea: I have seen it detecting the drives when its booting up but when I go to browse the hard drives in the menu under devices they are not there. |
| 21:59.29 | quitte | SerajewelKS: it's usually used passively. |
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| 21:59.32 | jzono1 | anyone around with a clue on apache 2? |
| 21:59.37 | jzono1 | i need to enable mod_rewrite |
| 21:59.39 | cisse | jzono1: i know a little |
| 21:59.41 | SerajewelKS | quitte: whatever =P |
| 21:59.42 | Gnea | unicornrose: what about the commandline? |
| 21:59.48 | jzono1 | how do i do that on my debian stable server? |
| 21:59.56 | pm_ | Gnea your telling me that i can block sites with iptables? |
| 22:00.00 | Azar | LoPMX all new package releases will only go with Debian stable - Sarge by ports |
| 22:00.03 | SerajewelKS | jzono1: link to it in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 22:00.11 | Gnea | pm_: it's a firewall application, that's what it's designed to do. |
| 22:00.16 | SerajewelKS | jzono1: e.g. cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled; ln -s ../mods-available/mod_rewrite.load |
| 22:00.16 | abrotman | mods-available .. + a2enmod |
| 22:00.20 | abrotman | a2enmod! |
| 22:00.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: eh? |
| 22:00.39 | abrotman | !find a2enmod sarge |
| 22:00.41 | jzono1 | now, how do i check if it is enabled? |
| 22:00.43 | unicornrose | gnea: forgive my ignorance I am very new at this. The command line is part of the boot sequence right? Or do you mean if I try to browse with a terminal? |
| 22:00.44 | pm_ | Gnea so i dont need a web proxy! thats better. samba and dhcpd3-server and iptables. |
| 22:00.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm i just use ln |
| 22:00.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'a2enmod' (1): (/usr/sbin/a2enmod) in net/apache2-common. |
| 22:00.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it does the same thing, right? |
| 22:01.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: loser! |
| 22:01.03 | cisse | jzono1: easy enough ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 22:01.08 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't know honestly .. they provide it .. i use it |
| 22:01.12 | Gnea | unicornrose: terminal |
| 22:01.19 | SerajewelKS | pm_: s/dhcpd3-server/dnsmasq/ |
| 22:01.34 | TuGGer | Hi. Will be installing Debain on a new additional hardrive, hdb. hda used for Mandriva. Question: after install, using lilo will the new debian installation pick up the mandriva lilo? Not sure how the lilo or grub works with two distros sharing same computer. Any insights or urls? Thanks. |
| 22:01.42 | cisse | jzono1: RewriteEngine On and check error.log =D |
| 22:01.43 | jzono1 | hmm |
| 22:01.46 | SerajewelKS | pm_: if you are using iptables to route traffic you *need* a DNS proxy (or at least it will make the network configuration at lot simpler) |
| 22:01.57 | unicornrose | gnea: is there a particular command that I can put in my terminal so that I might be able to go to my other hard drives? |
| 22:01.58 | schmitt | When I ssh to a machine, it does not source my .bashrc file even though I used chsh to /bin/bash. What do I do to automatically source .bashrc when logging in? |
| 22:02.06 | Gnea | pm_: ok look, the web proxy enables you to do things that iptables can't do by itself - you can try, and you will fail. |
| 22:02.10 | jzono1 | hmm |
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| 22:02.19 | beardy | TuGGer: You have just discovered why you actually run lilo or grub. |
| 22:02.25 | jzono1 | how do i rewrite / on a virtual host? |
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| 22:02.37 | cisse | rewrite it to what ? |
| 22:02.50 | Gnea | !apache |
| 22:02.51 | dpkg | from memory, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
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| 22:03.06 | beardy | schmitt: edit ~/.bash_profile |
| 22:03.06 | jzono1 | rewrite it to /cgi-bin/crashforsk.pl |
| 22:03.09 | Gnea | !apache manual |
| 22:03.09 | dpkg | apache manual is, like, at http://localhost/doc/apache-doc/manual/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ for Apache 1, or at http://localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ for apache2 |
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| 22:03.20 | KjetilK | yup, seems like a2enmod is just doing a few sanity checks before ln-ing |
| 22:03.22 | beardy | schmitt: uncommenct "Include bashrc if it exists" |
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| 22:03.27 | Gnea | unicornrose: sec |
| 22:03.28 | TuGGer | beardy: was that an answer or a question. Relly like some insight here . . |
| 22:03.30 | dumezil | im getting an odd error... "superblock last mount time is in the future" the fixes ive found on google talk about changing the time/timezone to fix it... im trying to set my RTC to UTC and now fsck is complaining.... how can i change the superblock last mount time? |
| 22:03.32 | cisse | jzono1: an alias would work fine for that |
| 22:03.41 | beardy | TuGGer: A comment. |
| 22:03.42 | unicornrose | gnea: okay |
| 22:03.48 | jzono1 | cisse: oh, how? |
| 22:04.02 | KjetilK | anyone know if they mind "user" questions on the debian-alpha list? |
| 22:04.08 | TuGGer | beardy: thanks. Any answers too? |
| 22:04.27 | dumezil | anyone know how to change the superblock last mount time? |
| 22:04.31 | schmitt | beardy: I dont have a .bash_profile, so I made one... but it didn't solve my problem :/ |
| 22:04.52 | schmitt | beardy: I did "source ~/.bashrc" both with & without conditionals... |
| 22:05.24 | Gnea | !commands |
| 22:05.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, commands is The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference |
| 22:05.30 | Gnea | unicornrose: ^^ |
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| 22:05.36 | jzono1 | cisse: will this work? Alias / /cgi-bin/crashforsk.pl |
| 22:05.46 | cisse | jzono1: should |
| 22:06.08 | unicornrose | Gnea: Thanks |
| 22:06.17 | beardy | TuGGer: Grub and lilo are used so you can boot different kernels, or different disks, with different operating systems on them if you want. If you want to boot both Debian and Mandriva, you have to configure a bootloader in either of the two systems, and isntall it, to be able to boot both systems. |
| 22:06.59 | beardy | schmitt: conditionals? Did you login again? |
| 22:07.15 | Gnea | unicornrose: see also http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 22:07.57 | TuGGer | beardy: so I have Mandriva using lilo. I would just add another grouping to boot debian from hdb, correct? I just don't want it to mess up my main distro while I learn howto install and configure debian. |
| 22:08.11 | beardy | Perhaps he wants mount aswell, I doubt that is included in that. |
| 22:08.16 | unicornrose | gnea: okay thanks agian |
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| 22:08.55 | beardy | TuGGer: Then don't install a bootloader when installing Debian. Configure the one you already have to boot Debian. |
| 22:08.55 | n00bhead | hi |
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| 22:09.27 | TuGGer | beardy: thanks - that's what I wanted to know if I could do it that way. |
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| 22:09.30 | schmitt | beardy: I think I got it working when I SSH to another machine... now it's not working when I first load konsole on my own machine |
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| 22:09.36 | beardy | TuGGer: If you don't install a new bootloader, your current one will not be messed up. |
| 22:09.39 | n00bhead | how can i use X (fluxbox) without mouse? |
| 22:09.44 | beardy | TuGGer: Yes, you can do it that way. |
| 22:09.53 | grumel | hi i need help about linux |
| 22:10.02 | Sonny | Hello, my laptop freezes with a black screen when I try to reboot, can somebody hep me? |
| 22:10.16 | cisse | Sonny: try modprobe apm before you reboot |
| 22:10.38 | Sonny | cisse: i have installed acpi and acpid |
| 22:10.49 | beardy | schmitt: What is not working? |
| 22:11.13 | TuGGer | Second Debian Newbie Question: after a breif survey of debain-user mailing list, I get the impression debian might be a bit 'broken' - is this just a false impression, or are there serious issues with the current stable release? |
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| 22:11.35 | beardy | TuGGer: Who said stable was broken? |
| 22:11.45 | beardy | TuGGer: Run stable. |
| 22:11.45 | jbroome | stable by definition is not borken |
| 22:11.47 | schmitt | beardy: I am running a redhat box with KDE. When I run the command "konsole", i get a command window. I used chsh to ensure I am using /bin/bash... but my .bashrc is not sourced. |
| 22:11.48 | cisse | TuGGer: i spend less time fighting with 'broken' debian than any of my redhad/fedora/suse/mandyke machines |
| 22:12.08 | jbroome | "mandyke"? :) |
| 22:12.10 | TuGGer | beardy: Oops. Touched a nerve here . . . sorry. Just asking. |
| 22:12.11 | beardy | schmitt: Ask #redhat. Why one earth are you asking here? |
| 22:12.11 | schmitt | beardy: your suggestion fixed my problem of sshing into other machines to source .bashrc, but not to source .bashrc on my local machine. |
| 22:12.38 | schmitt | ack, sorry! i was sshing to a debian box.. new problem :) |
| 22:12.43 | cisse | TuGGer: sure there are some known issues, but good doc on them and not too serious |
| 22:12.54 | beardy | TuGGer: Well, it just seems strange, most people agrees with that stable is stable, and not broken. |
| 22:13.04 | beardy | !tell TuGGer -about releases |
| 22:13.05 | KjetilK | TuGGer: libapache2-mod-perl2 is really broken, and KDE has stability issues, but other than that we run it in heavy production with success |
| 22:13.46 | cisse | KjetilK: whats wrong with libapache2-mod-perl2 ? |
| 22:13.53 | beardy | Troll? |
| 22:13.54 | KjetilK | cisse: it was an alpha release |
| 22:14.06 | cisse | ah haven't tried it |
| 22:14.08 | KjetilK | with a completely different API than the final release |
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| 22:14.37 | beardy | schmitt: As I said, why are you asking here? |
| 22:14.45 | cisse | any word on apache 2.1 or 2.2 making it into unstable any time soon ? |
| 22:14.52 | beardy | schmitt: This is #debian. |
| 22:15.36 | KjetilK | cisse: no idea... |
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| 22:16.06 | Chance | how can i install gd lib in apache ? |
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| 22:16.14 | Chance | so my images to be seen on the website |
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| 22:16.18 | cisse | would love mod_dav_lock so i can integrate svn and dav |
| 22:16.36 | baa | I can't install KDE because kde wants kdenetwork, which wants kopete which wants libmeanwhile0 (which seems to be gone).. I am using unstable. How do I fix this? |
| 22:16.46 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
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| 22:17.07 | KjetilK | cisse: yeah, I haven't looked into that, but I hear Apache 2.1 makes a lot of things with authentication easier... |
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| 22:17.21 | ma3x | my screen freezes from time to time, why? |
| 22:17.22 | Sonny | any other suggestion to solve my problem? my laptop freezes when I try to reboot |
| 22:17.32 | beardy | ma3x: Be specific. |
| 22:17.42 | Chance | does anyone knows ? |
| 22:18.06 | starfishy | baa: two possible solutions: 1) dont use unstable if you dont know how to work its kinks, 2) use kde from alioth |
| 22:18.15 | n00bhead | is there a way to move the mouse cursor in X with key strokes? |
| 22:18.24 | starfishy | i recommend the former |
| 22:18.31 | Chance | !gd |
| 22:18.31 | dpkg | gd is, like, a brilliant graphics library, ability to create GIFs and PNGs on the fly. Or maybe just PNGs. it's at http://www.boutell.com/gd/ |
| 22:18.33 | KjetilK | Chance: no idea, but surely there must be documentation following the package? |
| 22:18.41 | kspath | m23x: temp below 32 degrees F or less than 0 degrees C |
| 22:18.48 | Chance | !php4-gd |
| 22:18.49 | kspath | m3x: temp below 32 degrees F or less than 0 degrees C |
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| 22:19.06 | raden | can someone tell me whats going on with my sytstem |
| 22:19.07 | raden | Message from syslogd@Office at Tue Jan 24 16:13:23 2006 ... |
| 22:19.07 | raden | Office kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode |
| 22:19.16 | Chance | abrotman can you help me out ? |
| 22:19.42 | Chance | !find gd sarge |
| 22:19.49 | Sonny | any other suggestion to solve my problem? my laptop freezes when I try to reboot.... with a black screen after the message "rebooting" |
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| 22:19.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gd' (9 of 65): (/usr/bin/gdb) in devel/gdb ;; (/usr/bin/cgdb) in devel/cgdb ;; (/usr/bin/eggdrop) in net/eggdrop ;; (/sbin/bootlogd) in base/sysvinit ;; (/usr/bin/dctc_gdl123) in net/dctc ;; (/etc/init.d/xringd) in comm/xringd ;; (/etc/atmsigd.conf) in net/atm-tools ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/xgdipc) in x11/xgdipc ;; (/sbin/jfs_logdump) in admin/jfsutils. |
| 22:19.59 | beardy | n00bhead: Yes. But I don't remember exactly how.. Ctrl-NumLock perhaps, and then the numpad to move around. |
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| 22:21.22 | ma3x | beardy, it just freezes, probably when the wireless card resets (though I have set pci=reroute after the kernel line) |
| 22:21.30 | ma3x | beardy, pci=route |
| 22:21.43 | n00bhead | thx beardy. i had the same idea... didnt work so far. there must be a certain thing i missed, |
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| 22:22.55 | haga | hi mates |
| 22:23.05 | haga | i have got a question |
| 22:23.12 | haga | can i tell ya? |
| 22:23.21 | hellfire | dont ask to ask |
| 22:23.25 | hellfire | just ask |
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| 22:23.28 | haga | ok thx |
| 22:23.29 | \xe6var | ugh |
| 22:23.30 | haga | err |
| 22:23.36 | \xe6var | ftp.is.debian.org is totally broken |
| 22:23.38 | testi | hallo haga ;) |
| 22:23.55 | haga | hi^^ |
| 22:23.57 | metaperl | "ls: unparsable value for LS_COLORS environment variable" # how to get rid of this message? I dont want any colors in the ls from my XEmacs shell |
| 22:24.07 | haga | how can i configure router |
| 22:24.15 | CaT[tm] | will debian cry bitter bitter tears if I change the policy of the staff group (ie unchgrp /usr/local and /home) |
| 22:24.19 | haga | just sudo pppoeconf? |
| 22:24.47 | stew | metaperl: what does "alias ls" return? |
| 22:24.50 | \xe6var | where should I report a broken mirror} |
| 22:24.59 | hellfire | metaperl: has to do with your .bashrc or .bash_profile files located in your homedirectory or eventually /etc |
| 22:25.11 | stew | metaperl: and what does "echo $LS_COLORS" return? |
| 22:25.13 | metaperl | oh somehow it is alias ls="ls --colors" |
| 22:25.33 | stew | metaperl: you want to find out where that is being set and changre it to ls="ls --color=auto" |
| 22:25.35 | starfishy | ls |
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| 22:26.04 | metaperl | thanks, that was killing me for the longest :) |
| 22:26.09 | Chance | stew |
| 22:26.12 | metaperl | long live Linux! |
| 22:26.13 | Chance | can you help me please ? |
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| 22:26.33 | stew | Chance: what is the problem? |
| 22:26.57 | Chance | i am trying to www on my apache server but images are not shown |
| 22:27.09 | hellfire | if i want to move a partition to an other partition, is it save to just say dd if=/dev/oldpartition of=/dev/newpartition ? |
| 22:27.17 | stew | Chance: have you tried a different browser? |
| 22:27.35 | Chance | yes |
| 22:27.40 | Chance | same thing |
| 22:27.45 | stew | hellfire: that is safe if the partitions are exactly the same size |
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| 22:27.57 | hellfire | stew: what if they are not? |
| 22:28.01 | stew | Chance: what is the url? |
| 22:28.11 | zealop | How do I copy data from 192.168.1.34 to 192.168.1.33? |
| 22:28.17 | hellfire | stew: because they werent |
| 22:28.18 | abrotman | scp |
| 22:28.37 | zealop | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 22:28.52 | hellfire | zaelop: yes |
| 22:28.59 | zealop | ok |
| 22:29.07 | stew | hellfire: i'm not sure, i would *guess* that if the target were larger you might end up with a working filesystem as if the partition were only as big as the original *maybe*, if the target were smaller i would *guess* that you end up with a broken filesystem |
| 22:29.09 | Chance | it is a damn module |
| 22:29.15 | Chance | that ain't installed |
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| 22:30.01 | Eno_ | Hey, how do I turn off the internel beeping? I'm running the default 2.4 kernel for sarge. |
| 22:30.08 | zealop | abrotman: do i need to open some ports for scp or run some scp daemon? |
| 22:30.14 | cisse | Eno_: remove the pc spkr module |
| 22:30.42 | Eno_ | cisse: It doesn't seem to be a module in this kernel, although it is in sarge's 2.6 kernel. |
| 22:30.43 | hellfire | stew: i wanted to move my main system from /dev/hdd1 to /dev/hdb1. Because /dev/hdb was completely empty i did a dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdb. now i have the problem that grub thinks (hd0,0) is hdb1. |
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| 22:31.01 | haqa | zealop: i guess you have to run sshd |
| 22:31.14 | Eno_ | cisee: I have to run 2.4, though... |
| 22:31.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | how do i know if an UPS is compittable with linux? (i wanna buy an big one, connect it to one server and that server should tell the rest to shutdown when the battery gets under ..%) |
| 22:31.59 | hellfire | stew: it was ok with the partitions. hdd=15GB hdb=30GB. so on hdb there was the 15GB partition with the other 15GB unpartitioned. thats ok. only that grub seems a little confused about this action. |
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| 22:33.03 | stew | hellfire: have you checked grub's device.map? |
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| 22:33.19 | abrotman | zealop: runs over ssh |
| 22:33.31 | cisse | DJ-Marcuzz: make sure that ups has software for linux |
| 22:33.45 | jugglinx | hi all |
| 22:34.02 | hellfire | stew: seems ok. (hd0) /dev/hda (hd1) /dev/hdb (hd2) /dev/hdd |
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| 22:35.34 | hellfire | the funny thing is: i do a grub-install /dev/hdb but in menu.lst grub wants me to say root=(hd0,0) instead of root=(hd1,0) (which is hdb1) |
| 22:36.01 | \xe6var | shouldn't it always hold true that ftp.**.debian.org/debian/something/xyz should always work whatever ** is (i.e. if it's a valid main mirror) |
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| 22:36.09 | starfishy | the order of the drives once linux is booted is not necessarily the one the bios sees |
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| 22:36.16 | starfishy | which is why you are experiencing this |
| 22:36.19 | \xe6var | where /something/xyz is a file that should exist |
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| 22:37.09 | hellfire | starfishy: ah. |
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| 22:37.23 | n00bhead | help needed. how can i move the mouse cursor using the keyboard? thx in advance |
| 22:37.31 | hellfire | starfishy: i'll check that out. |
| 22:37.49 | hellfire | stew, starfishy: thx a lot. |
| 22:37.55 | poppe | if my GPU is at 150F will that hurt it eventually or is it fine that hot? |
| 22:37.56 | starfishy | yw |
| 22:38.04 | abrotman | \xe6var: you'd think so |
| 22:38.15 | Gnea | poppe: with or without a fan? |
| 22:38.40 | poppe | well, the fans broken so without |
| 22:38.46 | Gnea | get a new fan. |
| 22:38.51 | poppe | and $30 for a new fan |
| 22:39.07 | Gnea | get $30. get a new fan. or get a new card. |
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| 22:39.17 | Gnea | it will die soon if you don't. |
| 22:39.23 | hellfire | how fast is the GPU? (mhz,ghz) ? |
| 22:39.31 | hellfire | @poppe |
| 22:39.42 | zinx | MHz |
| 22:39.44 | Gnea | sounds like an nvidia |
| 22:39.59 | poppe | no, ati 300 something, laptop card |
| 22:40.02 | poppe | cheapy |
| 22:40.13 | hellfire | ah gpu means graphic processor unit. i thought it was a typo for CPU.... sorry... |
| 22:40.13 | zinx | 150F isn't that bad |
| 22:40.15 | Gnea | i've seen GPU's die as a result of dead fans |
| 22:40.16 | moshii | poppe: you could down clock it .. |
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| 22:40.21 | zinx | nVidia's GPU is rated for 90C |
| 22:40.26 | zinx | 150F is around 66C... |
| 22:40.33 | moshii | poppe: a lot of ATI chips run without active cooler anyways |
| 22:40.42 | Gnea | zinx: nvidia != ati |
| 22:40.46 | zinx | Gnea: tru |
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| 22:40.55 | moshii | poppe: *without an |
| 22:41.08 | Gnea | moshii: if it had a factory fan on there to begin with, then it needs a fan. period. |
| 22:41.14 | zinx | yeah |
| 22:41.17 | poppe | the fans a bitch to get out too, took an hour just to get near it |
| 22:41.24 | moshii | Gnea: not always |
| 22:41.28 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: my nvidia has a factory fan.. works fine |
| 22:41.40 | poppe | i just took it out hoping that extra room might do something |
| 22:41.56 | \xe6var | abrotman: I just submitted a bug about one of them being out of date |
| 22:41.57 | haqa | n00bhead: it's shift-numlock |
| 22:42.08 | etaylor | i get "You have mail in /home/user/Maildir" all the time, even though ~/Maildir/new is empty |
| 22:42.20 | n00bhead | haqa thx |
| 22:42.41 | haqa | n00bhead: you're welcome |
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| 22:43.07 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i've owned several nvidias, with or without factory fans - some of them died - my first one died and the GPU fried as a result, once i got a new fan on it, it was too late. If it doesn't have a factory fan then yeah, it doesn't need one, but if you decide to OC it then yeah, you'll need one. and fans are just A Good Thing(tm) for airflow as it is. |
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| 22:43.20 | abrotman | \xe6var: afaik .. many are out of date .. oh well |
| 22:43.35 | moshii | Gnea: most stuff just crashes if it gets too hot anyway. the only thing that I've managed to kill with heat was a permedia 2 (BlizzardVision if you want to know) and that came with no factory fitted cooler |
| 22:43.41 | \xe6var | abrotman: ~2 months out of date?;) |
| 22:43.49 | abrotman | \xe6var: wouldn't surprise me |
| 22:43.55 | n00bhead | thx and bye |
| 22:43.55 | \xe6var | ;( |
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| 22:44.01 | aum | hi - is there any way to get a fragmentation report on a reiserfs partition? |
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| 22:44.06 | Eno_ | How can I disable the internal speaker everywhere? pcspkr module doesn't seem to be loaded... but I still get beeps. :( |
| 22:44.08 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: ah, i'm not overclocking at all |
| 22:44.10 | abrotman | \xe6var: i wish there was a way via apt-get/aptitude to tell if a mirror was out of date |
| 22:44.23 | Gnea | moshii: must have been a factory blunder then - marketing strategy |
| 22:44.44 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i know, i'm just saying from experience. |
| 22:44.44 | \xe6var | abrotman: isn't there some file that you can check to see when it was last updated? |
| 22:44.54 | \xe6var | or do you have to check all of them? |
| 22:45.21 | Gnea | ok, time to step out for a bit |
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| 22:45.31 | coolpix | gn8 |
| 22:45.46 | moshii | Gnea: um nope, considering the thing bolted onto a board that added a PPC to a once m68k machine you'd think the guys that made it knew what they were doing ;) |
| 22:46.12 | ice_1963 | my nvidia does not use a fan that's so good |
| 22:46.23 | zinx | i want an nVidia of my own |
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| 22:46.30 | Chance | I HAVE INSTALLED php4-gd but gif files are still not to be seen !? |
| 22:46.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: slightly OT, but i get a pretty lousy framerate running most stuff a high resolutions.. GTA:SA kills at 1280x1024. card is GeForce FX 5500, is that normal or should my card be able to handle it? |
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| 22:47.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: best i can do is 800x600, no AA |
| 22:47.22 | moshii | SerajewelKS: overclock the gpu and ram with nvclock |
| 22:47.25 | starfishy | GeForce 5500 is kinda old |
| 22:47.26 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: and it gets pretty choppy when there's a lot of polygons in the viewport |
| 22:47.40 | starfishy | should be normal |
| 22:47.43 | SerajewelKS | moshii: i don't have enough cooling for that |
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| 22:48.10 | moshii | SerajewelKS: I think my 5700LE is 250mhz stock, runs at 400 without extra cooling |
| 22:48.13 | SerajewelKS | if i were to get a new card, what would be the most linux-friendly, ATI or nVidia? |
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| 22:48.30 | cisse | SerajewelKS: i would say nvidia |
| 22:48.32 | SerajewelKS | moshii: nvclock runs on windows too? (cedega doesn't like SA) |
| 22:48.36 | starfishy | nvidia |
| 22:48.38 | zinx | SerajewelKS: nVidia |
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| 22:48.46 | zinx | at the current time |
| 22:48.46 | SerajewelKS | yeah i thought so =) |
| 22:48.54 | starfishy | i just bought a 6600GT for a bit more than 100 dollars |
| 22:48.56 | qwerty_ | How can I play an audio CD? I tried mplayer "cdda://" and mplayer "cdda://1", which seems to be wrong. NOTE: I can't mount the CDs for some reason (not iso9660?)) |
| 22:48.58 | cisse | ati closed source drivers are just a pain in the ass |
| 22:49.01 | SerajewelKS | a friend is trying to get me to go ATI ("nVidia is evil" blah blah) |
| 22:49.04 | moshii | SerajewelKS: nvidia supplies a tool for windows IIRC |
| 22:49.05 | starfishy | that should fit the bill |
| 22:49.11 | zinx | ATI's drivers have gotten a lot better in the past year or so, but they're still not on par with nVidia's |
| 22:49.15 | cisse | SerajewelKS: HEH evil ? |
| 22:49.24 | th0ger | modprobe fuse |
| 22:49.25 | moshii | starfishy: you might be able to unlock some extra pipelines on that.. |
| 22:49.27 | th0ger | FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
| 22:49.34 | SerajewelKS | cisse: he loves windows too, so that about sums up how much trust i place in his views |
| 22:49.36 | th0ger | what can i do? |
| 22:49.52 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a a-i fuse; modprobe fuse |
| 22:49.53 | cisse | SerajewelKS: god like, why |
| 22:49.54 | haga | k |
| 22:49.58 | haga | cu mates |
| 22:50.04 | haga | got answers now |
| 22:50.05 | haga | ^^ |
| 22:50.09 | SerajewelKS | cisse: because it "just works" (his words) |
| 22:50.30 | cisse | right until it rots itself to 50% performance in 2 weeks |
| 22:50.34 | SerajewelKS | cisse: in hiew view, windows > solaris > linux > osx |
| 22:50.45 | sandman | Why is MySQL in Debian if it is dual-licensed? |
| 22:50.48 | cisse | does he use his computers or jus tlook at them |
| 22:50.50 | SerajewelKS | cisse: in mine, linux > osx > windows |
| 22:50.56 | SerajewelKS | cisse: uses them extensively |
| 22:51.03 | zinx | sandman: because at least one of the licenses is DFSG-compatible? |
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| 22:51.09 | cisse | hrm sera odd |
| 22:51.17 | sandman | zinx: Okay. Can't use MySQL in a business, however. |
| 22:51.19 | SerajewelKS | cisse: he was having trouble running an opengl game i showed him, but he still thinks windows rocks |
| 22:51.24 | starfishy | moshii: i was thinking about that |
| 22:51.33 | starfishy | might come in handy for X-Plane |
| 22:51.53 | SerajewelKS | sandman: why not? |
| 22:51.56 | starfishy | only question is: how do i do that without windowas |
| 22:52.00 | moshii | starfishy: it's worth it just to feel that you've got something for free |
| 22:52.07 | zinx | sandman: MySQL is in non-free here |
| 22:52.25 | cisse | why use mysql when there is postgres heh |
| 22:52.48 | th0ger | SerajewelKS: U mean: module-assistant apt-get install fuse ? |
| 22:52.49 | poppe | my warrenty has been up for a year, mabye dell will replace my fan anyways thinking I might get burned and sue |
| 22:52.53 | zinx | there seem to be several mysql things :x |
| 22:52.57 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 22:52.58 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: no, i don't |
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| 22:53.07 | starfishy | just googled for 6600GT and pipeline unlock |
| 22:53.14 | starfishy | apparently that only works on the 6800 |
| 22:53.22 | SerajewelKS | zinx: here it's in main, 5.0 too |
| 22:53.26 | cisse | 6600GT is still a great card, pci-e ? |
| 22:53.33 | zinx | SerajewelKS: yeah; i was looking at the -doc package |
| 22:53.40 | moshii | starfishy: ah, it was one of the 6xxx range anyhow |
| 22:53.42 | SerajewelKS | zinx: ah |
| 22:53.43 | zinx | SerajewelKS: main has dfsg-5.0 |
| 22:53.44 | starfishy | heheh |
| 22:53.52 | starfishy | well, for me the 6600GT is sufficient |
| 22:53.53 | zinx | which may be a fork, who knows |
| 22:53.55 | moshii | starfishy: my little brother has SLI 6800GT's or something, bastard |
| 22:54.08 | starfishy | my 6600 came with a SLI bridge |
| 22:54.15 | starfishy | so i wonder whether it would be sli capable |
| 22:54.33 | moshii | starfishy: you need a board that does sli |
| 22:54.40 | starfishy | my board does SLI |
| 22:55.12 | moshii | starfishy: it's supported in the linux drivers too so it's worth a go |
| 22:55.13 | starfishy | its some gigabyte specifically with SLI capability, two PCI-E x16 slots and that terminator |
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| 22:55.29 | th0ger | SerajewelKS: i do not know module-ass. What do u mean by m-a a-i fuse ? |
| 22:55.32 | starfishy | i just wonder whether the graphics card has to be sli capable and if so whether mine is |
| 22:55.46 | starfishy | but if it came with a bridge it should be, i guess |
| 22:55.48 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a a-i fuse; modprobe fuse |
| 22:55.52 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: just paste that as root |
| 22:56.23 | starfishy | but i guess i need to toss the card soon anyway |
| 22:56.32 | starfishy | maybe i can still get a few bucks |
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| 22:57.03 | dumezil | anyone know how to change the superblock last mount time? im messing with my clock and my boot is failing cause my "superblock last mount time" is in the future... |
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| 22:57.18 | starfishy | the 6600GT is not dual link capable, alas |
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| 22:57.42 | th0ger | SerajewelKS: ok, it works. in time i will learn what it means :) thank u so much |
| 22:58.02 | CaT[tm] | anyone know what I can use to encrypt a file with so that a windows user can view it easily? |
| 22:58.12 | CaT[tm] | (given the right key ;) |
| 22:58.12 | SerajewelKS | th0ger: np |
| 22:58.18 | starfishy | moshii: do you know of a reasonably priced card that has dual link enabled? |
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| 22:59.01 | Kepplar | Hey guys. Run into a problem, using testing, and one of my boxes been out of action for the last month. Suppose its time to get it back up and running. Basically dist-upgraded, and causes a problem with udev, and asked me to upgrade kernel to 2.6.12. Since then X and everything else is broken because things havent installed properly. Downloaded the kernel, configured it and make && make install, but it requires initrd and I can't make it, because /lib/modu |
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| 22:59.21 | priest | What is the channel for the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD-project? |
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| 22:59.47 | jsoft | ugh, gnome runs like a bitch on this 266 laptop |
| 22:59.54 | priest | Found it, #gnu-kbsd. |
| 23:00.48 | moshii | starfishy: not sure, I'm in the UK so prices here a probably a bit different |
| 23:01.30 | dumezil | how do i change the "superblock last mount time" so its not in the future? |
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| 23:01.42 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: why don't you use a debian kernel? |
| 23:01.43 | starfishy | *nod* |
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| 23:02.03 | starfishy | i am considering the 30 inch dell LCD, which does not work with a standard DVI |
| 23:02.10 | mhall | starfishy: dual-link? |
| 23:02.12 | starfishy | needs dual-link DVI |
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| 23:02.39 | yandrewtalor_ | hi, might sound like a stupid question, I have debian sarge, how can I tell if I'm running two procesors (SMP) or not? |
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| 23:02.44 | starfishy | apparently it uses the same mechanism normally used for two monitors but spits out the result on one DVI cable |
| 23:02.57 | moshii | Is anyone else's monitor really dark with the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:03.01 | liable | yandrewtalor_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:03.08 | valdyn_ | yandrewtalor_: try using an SMP capable kernel, open your box and look or look in the manual or in the bios |
| 23:03.15 | Kepplar | valdyn_: thats something else that confused me back then. seems like a kernel-source package for 2.6.12 didnt exist |
| 23:03.45 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: it doesnt exist, that still answer why you do not use a debian kernel though |
| 23:03.47 | yandrewtalor_ | valdyn_ - yeah, I've got two cpu's, I've also got the SMP kernel, I just don't know how to confirm it's all working - but liable has just told me, so here goes :) |
| 23:03.57 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: s/answer/does not answer/ |
| 23:03.58 | starfishy | my monitors are nice and bright with nvidia drivers |
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| 23:04.16 | Kepplar | valdyn_: because udev is forcing me to use 2.6.12 |
| 23:04.18 | tyranix | Kepplar: It's renamed to 'linux-source-2.6.12'. Same with the image 'linux-image-2.6.12-*'. |
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| 23:04.29 | Kepplar | tyranix: yep thats what i got |
| 23:04.33 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: no it is not, its 'forcing' you to use a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 23:04.38 | mhall | Kepplar: don't use udev |
| 23:04.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: you think this card could handle 1280x1024 AA? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130001 |
| 23:04.50 | sylvisj | Ummm valdyn... I'm on Etch, it uses 2.6.12 |
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| 23:04.56 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: testing is probably at 2.6.14 right now |
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| 23:05.04 | yandrewtalor_ | yup - i'm running two processors! Wow, that was easy. |
| 23:05.11 | Azar | moshii: mine not |
| 23:05.14 | tyranix | Do you have a choice about udev? I thought hotplug was deprecated? |
| 23:05.17 | mhall | SerajewelKS: what kind is it? i'm in knx textmode trying to recover a bad notebook disk with important research data some pharmacy idiot did not bother to back up |
| 23:05.19 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Yes, it will, but barely. |
| 23:05.22 | valdyn_ | sylvisj: that doesnt mean that testing still supplies a 2.6.12 kernel, but i dont know this. |
| 23:05.31 | sylvisj | Mhall: GeForce 6600GT. |
| 23:05.38 | mhall | SerajewelKS: they have dual core dual SLI cards ;-) |
| 23:05.41 | sylvisj | valdyn_: I'm using the supplied cable. |
| 23:05.48 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i'm looking for something < $150 |
| 23:05.54 | starfishy | 6600GT should be capable of smooth gameplay in 1280x1024 |
| 23:05.54 | valdyn_ | sylvisj: you are using a kernel that was once supplied ( at least ) |
| 23:06.07 | \xe6var | when was the 2.6.8 kernel released? I can't find it on kernel.org |
| 23:06.17 | \xe6var | ..changelogs don't have dates... |
| 23:06.18 | valdyn_ | \xe6var: look harder |
| 23:06.18 | sylvisj | 2.6.8 is somewhat old... |
| 23:06.30 | Kepplar | valdyn_: apt-gets completly dead |
| 23:06.33 | sylvisj | 2.6.8 is supplied with the stable install and required for SCSI/SATA |
| 23:06.48 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: barely as in "not well" or as in "yeah but one higher resolution will suck" |
| 23:06.51 | Azar | GeForce4 MX 4000 128MB here nice with moderate games |
| 23:06.53 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: then reinstalling is probably not the worst option |
| 23:06.59 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Barely as in that is the one higher resolution that will suck. |
| 23:07.00 | SerajewelKS | Azar: at 1280x1024? |
| 23:07.04 | Azar | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 23:07.18 | sylvisj | Azar: Try turning on all the eye candy. |
| 23:07.20 | tyranix | Kepplar: Hmm someone in here yesterday or the day before had your exact same problem. |
| 23:07.20 | SerajewelKS | Azar: MX must be a hell of a lot better than FX, then |
| 23:07.24 | Kepplar | valdyn_: unfortunatly the set up makes that an all but impossible situation without buying another hardrive |
| 23:07.27 | Azar | SerajewelKS: I could use a higher res but then all text becomes really tiny |
| 23:07.34 | mlehrer | it depends which game though |
| 23:07.37 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: I have a MX4000, they blow. |
| 23:07.40 | mlehrer | tux racer probably looks nice |
| 23:07.47 | mlehrer | world of warcraft, not so much |
| 23:07.55 | sylvisj | World of Warcraft would get 1-2fps at best. |
| 23:07.55 | Kepplar | tyranix: really? hmm |
| 23:07.56 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: your setup makes doing a backup of your data impossible? that's ugly |
| 23:07.59 | starfishy | X-plane looks nice |
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| 23:08.00 | Azar | SerajewelKS: FX 5500 128MB same, I made that one installation for boburt |
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| 23:08.19 | Kepplar | valdyn_: very, but inherited the problem |
| 23:08.20 | Azar | err for a friend |
| 23:08.27 | tyranix | Kepplar: I don't remember how it all ended up unfortunately. :) I do seem to recall that the person used aptitude which reportedly worked better than apt-get at resolving the conflicts. But I could be remembering a different situation. :/ |
| 23:08.28 | sylvisj | Azar: I also have a FX5500, 256mb. It really isn't the best, ~30fps @ 1024x768, no eye candy. |
| 23:08.33 | Azar | MX and FX kind of the same |
| 23:08.40 | sylvisj | MX and FX are no where near, dude. |
| 23:08.44 | Azar | sylvisj: ahhh sweet, at 256mb |
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| 23:08.54 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: dpkg and wget are enough to install packages, but if your 'apt-get' is completely broken then you have bigger issues than that i guess |
| 23:08.55 | starfishy | the 5500 was even inferior to the 4TI4200 |
| 23:08.56 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: i can get +100fps out of this thing in cube running at 1024x768 if i turn off vsync |
| 23:08.59 | Kepplar | tyranix: did the person kernel upgrade or work round it directly? |
| 23:09.07 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: but then again cube isn't the height of graphical complexity |
| 23:09.10 | Azar | sylvisj: well I am not expert but I installed Debian on both types and run same games |
| 23:09.13 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Try something like WoW or 3dMark 05 |
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| 23:09.25 | sylvisj | Azar: What games? |
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| 23:09.32 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: yeah GTA:SA runs OK at 800x600, high quality, no AA |
| 23:09.33 | Azar | sylvisj: wordorder: moderate games |
| 23:09.34 | Kepplar | valdyn_: well, i wgetted the source for 2.6.12 package |
| 23:09.55 | Azar | not high-end 3D... |
| 23:09.55 | valdyn_ | Kepplar: wget a precompiled debian kernel |
| 23:09.56 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: That's still a good portion processor-dependant. |
| 23:10.08 | sylvisj | Azar: WoW is very high-end 3D at high resolutions. |
| 23:10.22 | liable | Kepplar: did you read the udev bugs wrt the 2.6.12 kernel problem? |
| 23:10.31 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: Athlon XP 2500+ should be able to handle SA |
| 23:10.36 | Kepplar | liable: nope... |
| 23:10.40 | starfishy | i know 3d-mark is not really an indicator but FX5700 gets ~630, 6600GT gets ~3300 |
| 23:11.01 | Kepplar | valdyn_: :S may have to resort to that, but its strange how /lib/modules is blank after compiling |
| 23:11.12 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Yeah, low res. |
| 23:11.39 | Azar | sylvisj: I am running Sarge and I only got games provided by repositories the strongest 3D is trackballs |
| 23:11.48 | starfishy | doom3 1280x1024 0/8: 5700: 15fps, 6600GT 57fps |
| 23:11.59 | Azar | ..and that because I am not using kde or gnome so no k or g games |
| 23:12.24 | sylvisj | Azar: Makes sense, you can still use them old MX cards. |
| 23:12.30 | Azar | wow, I haven't even tried doom2 yet but I bet it works |
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| 23:13.05 | moshii | Azar: the good thing about nvidia cards is that you get render accel.. which is a bonus even if you don't play games |
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| 23:13.26 | pipeline | Azar, moshii : the catch being that nvidia's render accel is dangerously unstable :P |
| 23:13.36 | Azar | moshii: I allways stick with AMD/Nvidia never Intel/ATI |
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| 23:14.02 | sylvisj | Azar: Same here. ATi has too many problems, and Intel even more. |
| 23:14.04 | pipeline | starfishy: The 5200/5500/5700 were really hit-or-miss... a lot of the board manufacturers crippled the memory to save a buck. |
| 23:14.23 | tyranix | Kepplar: Ah hah, found it. Memory is not so good. Logs are. :) Klaxian was the guy it happened to and he said aptitude went a lot further than apt-get. |
| 23:14.25 | pipeline | Azar, sylvisj : If you get an old enough ATI to have open source drivers, it's fantastic. |
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| 23:14.34 | moshii | Azar: ah, I prefer intel chipsets for linux/bsd boxes because 9/10 times it just works |
| 23:14.55 | Azar | pipeline: that only because AMD/nVidia allways treated kindly a newbie like me |
| 23:14.58 | ice_1963 | amd all the way and nvidia :0) |
| 23:15.30 | qwerty_ | How can I mount an audio CD? Which file system is that? It's not iso9660, is it? |
| 23:15.37 | Kepplar | tyranix: coolo =) cheers, in aptitude atm trying to locate things =) |
| 23:15.39 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: the res difference doesn't really hit the CPU |
| 23:15.41 | azeem | qwerty_: there is none on it |
| 23:15.44 | pipeline | moshii, Azar, sylvisj: Also, even intel has its high points. e.g. cheap dual core, good linux graphics drivers. |
| 23:15.48 | azeem | qwerty_: you cannot mount it |
| 23:15.52 | pipeline | qwerty_: Audio CDs don't have filesystems. |
| 23:15.56 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: if most of the work is done by the GPU |
| 23:16.11 | Kepplar | tyranix: does the logs show you if he was removing udev or working along the lines of a new kernel? |
| 23:16.36 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: basically if i got a 6600GT, would i be able to play some of the higher-end games at 1280x1024 with an athlon xp 2500+? |
| 23:16.46 | tyranix | Kepplar: He was installing udev which broke complaining about the kernel version. But he couldn't upgrade his kernel because udev bombed. |
| 23:16.52 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: oh, sure. |
| 23:17.06 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Yes, but not with much eye candy. You'll get 30-40fps. |
| 23:17.07 | pipeline | tyranix: The solution is to install an old version of udev... |
| 23:17.15 | SerajewelKS | pipeline: i thought so, the CPU doesn't have a lot to do with the resolution does it? |
| 23:17.25 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: It does, sometimes. |
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| 23:17.31 | pipeline | SerajewelKS: But you already have a plenty fast CPU. |
| 23:17.32 | mhall | pipeline: yeah render accel died many deaths when i tried |
| 23:17.37 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: At low resolutions, yes. At high, not as much. |
| 23:17.47 | pipeline | mhall: Render acceleration would, every now and then, hang the entire system :| |
| 23:17.49 | mhall | tyranix: yeah that's a really stupid problem |
| 23:17.56 | mhall | pipeline: for me it just segfaults |
| 23:18.04 | pipeline | mhall: That would be immensely preferable. |
| 23:18.31 | qwerty_ | How can I play an audio CD then? I have an external DVD-RW (usb), which shows up at /dev/scd0, and I tried mplayer cdda:// --cdrom-device /dev/scd0 , but this doesn't work (obscure error messages like "file not found") |
| 23:18.37 | starfishy | what is considered to be the minimum frame rate for a game to be playable anyway? |
| 23:18.54 | zinx | starfishy: depends... who are you? |
| 23:18.58 | pipeline | qwerty_: heh, that's a special case. |
| 23:18.58 | asg | starfishy: 30 |
| 23:19.05 | qwerty_ | ... I already asked in #mplayer, but they don't seem to know (no one uses audio CDs any more?) |
| 23:19.10 | cisse | starfishy: if you're playing a FPS online, at least 60 |
| 23:19.20 | starfishy | well, i was just curious |
| 23:19.23 | starfishy | i dont play FPS |
| 23:19.24 | pipeline | qwerty_: You see, usually, CD audio is all analog. There's a special port on the back of the CD drive, the CD drive renders everything, and the special port outputs actual audio. You can plug headphones into it :P |
| 23:19.39 | moshii | qwerty_: do you want to play it by analogue means or digital extraction? |
| 23:19.41 | pipeline | qwerty_: With a USB drive, you don't have access to that port, so you'll need a program that can read the raw disc and render audio. |
| 23:19.41 | sylvisj | starfishy: MMORPG, 45-60. FPS, 55-60. |
| 23:19.52 | starfishy | i play flight sim only because i want to maintain proficiency and try things that might be hazardous for my health if i tried it in a real plane |
| 23:19.55 | pipeline | qwerty_: I think that mplayer is capable of digital extraction, i know for a fact that xmms is. |
| 23:19.57 | starfishy | *nod* |
| 23:20.00 | starfishy | thanks |
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| 23:20.09 | sylvisj | Np. |
| 23:20.11 | sylvisj | Rebooting... |
| 23:20.21 | tyranix | qwerty_: I just use xmms to play it. There's an audiocd plugin. |
| 23:21.04 | Kepplar | tyranix: Ooo, we have activity. just forced the thing to get latest version.. wanted to remove about half a dozen packages including and old kernel image and loads of packages are now setting themselves up |
| 23:21.05 | qwerty_ | tyranix: xmms-cdread ? |
| 23:21.26 | tyranix | qwerty_: yeah |
| 23:21.54 | beardy | !play audio cd |
| 23:21.54 | dpkg | Ask me about "audio cd" or, to play it "digitally", have a look at xmms and the plugin xmms-cdread. |
| 23:22.14 | cisse | what's the command to pause for x seconds in bash, wait ? |
| 23:22.24 | dumezil | sleep 5 |
| 23:22.29 | cisse | thx |
| 23:22.43 | Nihilanth | when you install a desktop enviroment/wm does it generate the menu or does the package come with it? |
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| 23:23.23 | ddfire | hi i am using etch where i can find k3b ???? thanks |
| 23:23.36 | pipeline | Nihilanth: The menu is usually independent of the specific environment; most window managers can read fd.o menus. |
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| 23:25.31 | Nihilanth | alright..well, i whenever i install a wm/de i don't want the menu to be included, is there a way to do that? |
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| 23:27.01 | Nihilanth | oops, i mean, whenever i install a wm/de i don't want the default menu included (debian > or Programs >) |
| 23:27.13 | shashintha | hey where can i get some help for apache2 |
| 23:27.20 | bsims | http://home.insightbb.com/~bmsims1/greycstoration_0.2.0-1_i386.deb New anti-noise filter for Gimp... |
| 23:27.35 | zinx | the gimp plugin sux |
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| 23:27.45 | zinx | doesn't support the non-restoration modes |
| 23:27.56 | tyranix | bsims: How about coding up an anti-noise filter for IRC? :) |
| 23:28.01 | bsims | zinx: Ah really, well that was what I wnated for <g> |
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| 23:28.33 | zinx | bsims: greycstoration tends to cause swirling where there's noise |
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| 23:29.19 | Travis | is there a command to go through a folder and the folders inside that folder and move them all elsewhere? |
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| 23:29.57 | bsims | zinx: hrm would then using another filter help that? |
| 23:30.07 | bsims | Travis: man mv |
| 23:30.14 | bonifacio | hello! |
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| 23:30.24 | bonifacio | alguien habla español? |
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| 23:30.28 | beardy | !es |
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| 23:30.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:30.49 | zinx | bsims: probably not |
| 23:31.01 | bonifacio | thank you :P |
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| 23:31.24 | bsims | hrm well with my sample pic I didn't see that but then I didn't look too closely |
| 23:31.47 | Travis | bsims already looked |
| 23:31.58 | Travis | couldn't find how to do it |
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| 23:32.13 | jmcm | Hey... I misconfigured xfree86, and it GDM refuses to load. What is the command to reconfigure xfree86? Thanks. |
| 23:32.26 | beardy | !drxx jmcm |
| 23:32.26 | dpkg | jmcm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:32.31 | cisse | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:32.38 | jmcm | thanks! |
| 23:32.48 | jazotic | hello everyone! howto remap keys / use keyboard for mouse movement if standard [strg]+[shift]+[num] don't do? |
| 23:33.08 | cmercado | How do I fix broken packages? |
| 23:33.13 | bsims | Travis: your structure looks like folder1 -> folder_a folder_b folder_etc right? |
| 23:33.35 | bsims | mv folder1 /path/to/put/it |
| 23:33.44 | beardy | jazotic: You were n00bsomething before? |
| 23:33.59 | tyranix | hmmm @ xmd5. Isn't there a better way than losing all of your manual changes? I have a dual head setup and dpkg-reconfigure isn't going to work well. |
| 23:34.12 | jazotic | beardy: n00bsomething? |
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| 23:34.20 | beardy | jazotic: Try Ctrl-Shift-Numlock |
| 23:34.45 | beardy | jazotic: A person with a nick like that asked the same question earlier. Nevermind. |
| 23:35.08 | jazotic | beardy: only have 80 keys. NUM = Fn+F11 = i'll break my fingers :) |
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| 23:35.12 | jazotic | beardy: no. |
| 23:35.16 | D-fence | I have a problem. Briefly, I copied my files from my old laptop to my new one but changed the partition order. |
| 23:35.27 | D-fence | I have an error like "/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda9/dev:no such file or directory" |
| 23:35.48 | D-fence | I changed the "/etc/fstab" file to match my new partitions |
| 23:36.05 | D-fence | I don't know where stands this old reference to /dev/hda9 |
| 23:36.06 | beardy | jazotic: Perhaps I mistunderstood your question though.. |
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| 23:36.11 | beardy | -t |
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| 23:36.46 | darkdrgn2k\ | ok im really new to apt-get.. how do i install the X11 devel libraries with it? |
| 23:36.54 | bsims | I must be misunderstanding something I did a apt-cache search cimg and the only thing returned was cimg-dev... where is the non-dev package |
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| 23:37.29 | jazotic | beardy: well. trying to do ctrl+alt+NUM with different keys -- how to remap them in xorg. asked at #xorg, but no answer. |
| 23:37.34 | shashintha | ....X11 : grep del |
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| 23:38.06 | tyranix | bsims: It's only a library. |
| 23:38.22 | bsims | tyranix: than shouldn't it be libcimg? |
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| 23:38.30 | tyranix | bsims: It says everything is self contained in a single header file. |
| 23:39.22 | gravity | jazotic: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2006/01/24/0 |
| 23:39.28 | gravity | jazotic: That might solve your question |
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| 23:39.42 | jazotic | gravity: thx, i'll take a look |
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| 23:39.53 | bsims | Ah ok... but cimg is supposed to contain greycstoration and that command does nothing... |
| 23:40.30 | Travis | bsims I tried mv *.wvm ../ |
| 23:40.30 | Golfgeo | Hi all, got a PERL warning that I should check my local setting. Used the latest Etch full ISO snapshot to install and the first mention was after reboot... Any idears? |
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| 23:40.32 | Travis | but that didn't work |
| 23:40.45 | Travis | because mv doesn't use * as a wildcard |
| 23:40.59 | tyranix | bsims: It has greycstoration.cpp as an example file. |
| 23:41.10 | starfishy | mv doesnt use * as a wildcard? |
| 23:41.26 | starfishy | methinks Travis is mistaken |
| 23:41.43 | Travis | yeah |
| 23:41.48 | Travis | do how do I do a wildcard? |
| 23:42.00 | starfishy | mv *wmv .. |
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| 23:42.04 | azeem | Travis: depends on your shell |
| 23:42.17 | starfishy | yup |
| 23:42.26 | starfishy | wildcard expansion is shell specific |
| 23:42.35 | starfishy | but i assume you use bash so the star will work |
| 23:42.44 | Travis | azeem bash |
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| 23:43.04 | jazotic | gravity: i already tried something like this. will work for certain apps, but won't do here. Seems like kind of hardcoded in xorg. |
| 23:43.08 | Travis | mv *wmv didn't work eaither |
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| 23:43.35 | bsims | tyranix: really locate greycstoration doesn't return anything |
| 23:43.46 | cisse | updatedb ? |
| 23:43.54 | bsims | hrm that could be <g> |
| 23:44.00 | tyranix | bsims: I used 'apt-file search cimg'. |
| 23:44.09 | tyranix | bsims: Use apt-file so you don't have to install it first to find it. :) |
| 23:44.30 | useruser | anyone know of a network monitoring tool that keeps track of which processes are responsible for network traffic? |
| 23:44.31 | bsims | well apt-file has a nasty bug in one of its depends |
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| 23:44.34 | azeem | Travis: any error messageß |
| 23:44.35 | azeem | ? |
| 23:44.42 | tyranix | bsims: hmm really? Which? |
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| 23:45.09 | syphox | heya, i have just installed debian.. how do i change the font size for the terminal? |
| 23:45.25 | bsims | Ah never mind marked as done |
| 23:45.30 | Travis | root@snoopy:/home/Shared/Music# mv *wvm ../ |
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| 23:45.35 | bsims | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.35 | Travis | mv: cannot stat `*wvm': No such file or directory |
| 23:45.50 | syphox | im running my screen res @ 1280x1024 |
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| 23:45.58 | syphox | but the font's too big.. and nothing fit's on the screen :Z |
| 23:46.13 | Golfgeo | syphox, look at framebuffers |
| 23:46.20 | Travis | oh wait |
| 23:46.20 | shwag | what is the port limit where things change from system services to user services? |
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| 23:46.24 | tyranix | Travis: hmm shouldn't that be *wmv? Otherwise, what's wvm? |
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| 23:46.35 | Travis | tyranix yep |
| 23:46.37 | Travis | that was it |
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| 23:47.21 | tyranix | shwag: 1024 |
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| 23:48.10 | anapivirtua | night all |
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| 23:48.56 | kingsley | Debian Weekly News didn't report new packages because packages.debian.org is down. Is there another way to report new packages? |
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| 23:50.10 | kspath | a dozen ways at least |
| 23:50.23 | kspath | kingsley: did you look into ways? |
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| 23:50.47 | kspath | kingsley: there are multiple tools for getting lists of packages |
| 23:50.52 | shwag | what are some common services or protocols that use UDP ? |
| 23:50.59 | tyranix | hmmm konsumer is a directory? I always thought of him as a file... |
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| 23:51.22 | tyranix | shwag: /etc/services |
| 23:51.22 | syphox | how do i change the font size for the terminal? |
| 23:51.23 | myren | man, package removal is taking forever |
| 23:51.35 | myren | its like 6 minutes a package for boost |
| 23:51.41 | useruser | syphox: /msg dpkg fbcon |
| 23:51.58 | shwag | tyranix, it list UDP in /etc/services even if the protocol is only used on TCP...thats the way ports are assigned. so /etc/services doesnt do what I want it to. |
| 23:52.12 | kingsley | kspath: I'm unaware of any tools that list new packages that have appeared in the last week. Do you know of any? |
| 23:52.38 | kspath | kingsley: the tool that you can write right this second |
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| 23:52.54 | Golfgeo | bsims/l |
| 23:52.55 | azeem | kspath: I wouldn't know how to do it, either |
| 23:53.13 | azeem | syphox: depends on the terminal |
| 23:53.17 | kspath | kingsley: do I need to write a quick shell script? |
| 23:53.33 | syphox | azeem: tty1 |
| 23:53.36 | kspath | things like this are trivial |
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| 23:53.56 | useruser | kspath: do you know how to upgrade only packages with changes marked as urgent, with dependencies? |
| 23:53.58 | kingsley | kspath: Thank you for asking. It's not a crisis from my perspective, just curiousity. |
| 23:53.59 | azeem | syphox: ah, I thought you meant a X terminal |
| 23:54.15 | azeem | syphox: console-tools or so might have something |
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| 23:54.34 | kspath | useruser: trivial shell script OR perl OR python OR ... |
| 23:54.36 | syphox | azeem: thx i will try now |
| 23:54.37 | kingsley | kspath: I should probably add that I need to go in a couple of minutes too. |
| 23:54.49 | useruser | kspath: how do you list them, though? |
| 23:54.50 | helldomain | Hello, I wish to build my own deb packages and I would like to look on to some source debs (for example: openssl deb source) provided by debian gurus. Where do I find it? |
| 23:55.06 | tyranix | shwag: hmmm you're right for the most part (some exceptions). But if you think about the way UDP works, there aren't that many services that use it (else they end up implementing TCP-ish features). |
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| 23:55.30 | ccarlos | hola a todos |
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| 23:55.41 | azeem | ccarlos: this is an english channel |
| 23:55.42 | ccarlos | estoy por descargar las isos de debian |
| 23:55.47 | azeem | !es |
| 23:55.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:55.50 | ccarlos | jejejejeje |
| 23:55.51 | kspath | !es |
| 23:55.52 | ccarlos | sorry |
| 23:55.58 | azeem | no problem |
| 23:56.07 | helldomain | ccarlos: are you looking for debian isos? |
| 23:56.10 | cisse | helldomain: every official repo has source, just change the line from deb ... to deb-src and then apt-get source package |
| 23:56.29 | azeem | cisse: s/change/copy/ |
| 23:56.46 | cisse | azeem: oy thx |
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| 23:57.05 | useruser | kspath: since the only place i know to get the urgency information from is the changelog, and these aren't downloaded until the package is fetched. was wondering if there's another source for that information |
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| 23:57.27 | helldomain | cisse: should I change any config files (this is production server and I don't like to change anything here) |
| 23:58.17 | cisse | helldomain: just copy every deb ... line in /etc/apt/sources.list and change it to deb-src ... |
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| 23:58.44 | helldomain | cisse: thanks a lot! |
| 23:58.50 | syphox | azeem: console-tools: command not found |
| 23:58.52 | syphox | and theres no man page |
| 23:58.58 | syphox | but it's installed |
| 23:58.59 | helldomain | apt-get source did the work! |
| 23:59.14 | azeem | syphox: it's a package |
| 23:59.17 | syphox | yeah |
| 23:59.21 | azeem | syphox: with a couple of binaries in it |
| 23:59.22 | syphox | what prog should i run? |
| 23:59.26 | azeem | syphox: really, I don't know :-/ |
| 23:59.33 | azeem | maybe it is something else, try google, perhaps |
| 23:59.38 | syphox | did :| |
| 23:59.59 | syphox | Screen-font tools |
| 23:59.59 | syphox | <PROTECTED> |
