| 00:00.10 | shwag | is it fair to say that if a kill -9 doesnt stop a process that no other SIG would likely make a difference? |
| 00:00.18 | eeyore- | dvm1981: what version of alsamixer is this? |
| 00:00.33 | tyranix | Bacula requires a patch to dvd+rw-tools (specifically growisofs) to report the start of a resume burn. But dvd+rw-mediainfo reports the exact same information. So I don't see why they want to extend growisofs like that... |
| 00:00.33 | jarango | stew: Thanks, does the blanking in console mode affect X mode ? |
| 00:00.33 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: 'Testing' ?? |
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| 00:00.53 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: 1.0.10 |
| 00:00.54 | eeyore- | dvm1981: look at the title bar. in old version the mute indicator might be on top of the bar, i don't really remember |
| 00:01.14 | Azar | dvm1981: pay attention: what version of Alsamixer you got? |
| 00:01.57 | eeyore- | dvm1981: i'm still not convinced you haven't un-muted the master/pcm :-) your speakers physically work as you said so yourself that you hear echo when MIC channel is 100% |
| 00:02.01 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: v1.0.10 |
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| 00:02.07 | stew | jarango: i don't think so |
| 00:02.08 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: right?? |
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| 00:02.23 | michael | hey tyranix, it works! |
| 00:02.33 | tyranix | michael: oooh cool, you used the gtf modeline? |
| 00:02.45 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: i take a screenshot, and set it online someelse, right |
| 00:02.50 | stew | dvm1981: run this "amixer sset Master unmute" and "amixser sset PCM unmute" |
| 00:02.51 | eeyore- | dvm1981: i would pay close attention, hit m a few times and see what changes on the screen. |
| 00:03.03 | messia | anyone can ping my site and past me the resulto into my query ? |
| 00:03.04 | tyranix | michael: hmmm I'm going to switch window managers as soon as I restart X. So I'll add reconfigure X to that list. :) |
| 00:03.17 | michael | tyranix: yes I used the gtf modeline. but you need to adjust the output when pasting into the x.conf file |
| 00:03.34 | kreg_work | when i use the current netdisc installer, i always drop to a command line to run fdisk manually, however now days it always says "unable to open hda". it never used to do that? how do i partition my hard drive the prefered way using fdisk instead of the stupid text menu tool? |
| 00:03.58 | tyranix | michael: hmm really? Can you post the section you changed (section monitor?) to pastebin? Or here if it's one line. |
| 00:04.02 | Azar | dvm1981: you got the screen front of you, and you SEE volume bars there , raise the volumes on the bars eeyore- tells you to ok? |
| 00:04.03 | dvm1981 | stew: doing |
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| 00:04.58 | michael | the gtf output gives you something like Modeline "1280x1024_100" but you need to change to Modeline "1280x1024" so X recognized this as a correct mode... |
| 00:05.24 | Azar | something is fishy here |
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| 00:05.32 | Azar | I have a feeling about that |
| 00:05.34 | dr1v3r | anyone here tell me how to kill a port that the system says is already in use? please |
| 00:05.36 | tyranix | michael: ahhh okay, thanks. |
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| 00:05.57 | stew | dr1v3r: see what is listening to the port, /msg dpkg open ports |
| 00:06.02 | dvm1981 | stew : done... |
| 00:06.08 | michael | tyranix: np! enjoy 100Hz and give your eyes some pleasure ... |
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| 00:06.36 | dr1v3r | i know what was using the port, but i have removed the package, |
| 00:06.48 | dr1v3r | but it still says that port is be used by another program :( |
| 00:06.48 | tyranix | michael: thanks a lot! :) |
| 00:06.55 | dvm1981 | Azar, eeyore- : That i really understand to up and down the volume to give power etc. do the sceenshot now |
| 00:06.56 | stew | dr1v3r: you have to kill the process |
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| 00:07.26 | dr1v3r | its not running |
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| 00:07.32 | eeyore- | dvm1981: it's not raising/lowering, it's muting/unmuting :-) sure, direct command will do it, but you need to learn to use the tool you have :-) alsamixer is a nice all-in-one tool |
| 00:07.37 | dr1v3r | ooppss i lied it is :( |
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| 00:08.03 | Azar | dvm1981: do not waste time with screnshots |
| 00:08.18 | Cyorxamp | Question.... is the way in which windows shares files on the network a pure MS technology or something that existed before? i.e. is samba a standard thing or a way of getting into ms windows shares !?!! |
| 00:08.22 | Azar | get the sound working today |
| 00:08.23 | bbyron | howabout vnc? lol |
| 00:08.25 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: Yes i really understand, i have used this tool many time (not so many) and i think that i can control it, really easy and helpefull app, |
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| 00:08.50 | tyranix | Cyorxamp: samba is the result of reverse engineering MS' protocol. |
| 00:08.56 | dvm1981 | Azar: Yes, but its to show that its unmuted. |
| 00:08.59 | Cyorxamp | tyranix, right - thanx |
| 00:09.08 | Azar | ok |
| 00:09.12 | Azar | so you got volume up |
| 00:09.17 | Azar | try to play your song |
| 00:09.46 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: i have again do 'cat random-bytes > /etc/dsp', but no changes |
| 00:10.01 | eeyore- | dvm1981: dude, /dev/dsp |
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| 00:10.13 | Cyorxamp | tyranix? guy in #ubuntu-offtopic says... |
| 00:10.19 | Cyorxamp | ompaul samba is an ibm technology | |
| 00:10.20 | Cyorxamp | ompaul it is open and MS used itompaul samba is an ibm technology |
| 00:10.20 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: yes sorry, type fault |
| 00:10.21 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what all files does ndiswrapper need to load a driver? i know i tell it the inf files but what others does it look at? |
| 00:10.48 | eeyore- | dvm1981: did you can it to /dev/dsp or /etc/dsp? |
| 00:11.06 | eeyore- | uh, cat |
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| 00:11.32 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: no, it not sounds somethings out the speakers... |
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| 00:12.12 | Azar | it not sounds somethings out the speakers? what is that? |
| 00:12.14 | eeyore- | dvm1981: did you do the "amixer" commands? |
| 00:12.15 | tr1gg3r | hi, i just ran apt-get update and got E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room? |
| 00:12.23 | eeyore- | Azar: that's besides the point |
| 00:12.25 | stew | tr1gg3r: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 00:12.38 | tr1gg3r | thx |
| 00:12.41 | Azar | eeyore- is not clear if he means he got sounds on speakers or not |
| 00:12.41 | eeyore- | Azar: apply grammar-nazi filter in quiet mode :-) |
| 00:12.42 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: That give be stew? Yes the both commands |
| 00:12.54 | kreg_work | um |
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| 00:13.01 | kreg_work | how do you use fdisk with the debian net disc? |
| 00:13.03 | Azar | eeyore- is not grammar - nazi, I try to understand what he says |
| 00:13.06 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: 'amixer sset Master unmute" and "amixser sset PCM unmute" |
| 00:13.10 | kreg_work | if i drop to terminal, it says fdisk can't open hda |
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| 00:13.24 | kreg_work | i want to use a real partitioning tool |
| 00:13.25 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: But not sounds play |
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| 00:13.40 | eeyore- | dvm1981: kill any sound daemon you may have running (artsd and esound) |
| 00:13.55 | eeyore- | although I think ess* chips do allow multiple openers |
| 00:14.06 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: 'kill -9 <ID>' ? |
| 00:14.23 | eeyore- | dvm1981: ps axufw | egrep "(artsd|esd)" |
| 00:14.34 | tyranix | Cyorxamp: hmmm didn't know that. It looks like IBM released a version in 1984 and then MS took over from there on. So it's pretty close to an MS technology if they have lots of extensions. http://samba.org/cifs/docs/smb-history.html |
| 00:14.39 | eeyore- | dvm1981: you're using the internal speaker, right? |
| 00:14.46 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: Yes |
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| 00:15.25 | Cyorxamp | tyranix, apparently SMB is an open os-independant protocol used on mac/linux/win - but the way an ms pc uses this standard is slightly different and samba is used on linux to get around it |
| 00:15.48 | eeyore- | dvm1981: amixer > settings; show me "settings" file |
| 00:16.28 | tyranix | Cyorxamp: Yeah, I saw an RFC in there from 1987. |
| 00:16.58 | Cyorxamp | a wha where who? |
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| 00:18.03 | nurv | hi plp. I have a question. How can I execute specific program in every 5 minutes? |
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| 00:18.11 | stew | !cron |
| 00:18.12 | dpkg | cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
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| 00:18.18 | Teltariat | nurv: crontab -e ? |
| 00:18.20 | koolr | how can i see the "md5 code" of the last testing release ??? (i didnt see this information in debian website) |
| 00:18.21 | Teltariat | man crontab |
| 00:18.44 | Teltariat | nurv: man 5 crontab |
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| 00:18.53 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: I not understand the last thing there, if i type 'amixer' its a cli app, without menu etc |
| 00:18.56 | nurv | stew, Teltariat thank you |
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| 00:19.07 | tyranix | Cyorxamp: RFC1001/RFC1002 is what they mentioned. |
| 00:19.21 | Cyorxamp | hmm, dunno what you mean - but err ok |
| 00:19.27 | Azar | dvm1981: took you a while to figure that out... |
| 00:19.37 | hellfire | nurv: hint: 5 * * * * /bin/command |
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| 00:19.57 | stew | hellfire: hint, thats once an hour not every 5 minutes |
| 00:20.06 | dvm1981 | Azar: no i found not the ID to kill the process, in the previous msg |
| 00:20.07 | Azar | dvm1981: eeyore- told you to copy the content of settings you see on your dear laptop screen and paste it for him to see |
| 00:20.27 | Azar | dvm1981: paste in the paster |
| 00:20.31 | hellfire | stew: thats right. |
| 00:20.34 | dvm1981 | Azar: i really stupid ! |
| 00:20.45 | Malagmyr | i really HUNGRY! |
| 00:20.53 | dvs | !beer Malagmyr |
| 00:20.54 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: i do it, understand now |
| 00:20.55 | Azar | dvm1981: if I were you I would take a break and come back tomorrow |
| 00:20.59 | hellfire | stew: aehm. sure? |
| 00:21.03 | Malagmyr | yay! |
| 00:21.06 | hellfire | stew: yes |
| 00:21.07 | stew | hellfire: yes |
| 00:21.08 | koolr | how can i see the "md5 code" of the last testing release ??? (i didnt see this information in debian website) |
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| 00:21.29 | hellfire | hm. then its * 5 * * * .... |
| 00:21.49 | stew | hellfire: that's once a day |
| 00:21.51 | chealer_ | !wayttd koolr |
| 00:21.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, koolr? |
| 00:22.00 | eeyore- | dvm1981: best if you put the output file up on the web somewhere :-) pasting it in here will get the bot to kick you |
| 00:22.19 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: pastebin :-) |
| 00:22.43 | hellfire | stew: i will rtfm. no more hints on cron today. |
| 00:23.01 | hellfire | */5 * * * * ??? |
| 00:23.02 | starfishy | stew: 0 5 * * * would be once a day IIRC |
| 00:23.23 | starfishy | * 5 * * * is every minute between 5 and 5:59 |
| 00:23.35 | stew | starfishy: eyah, i just came back becuase i realized that :) |
| 00:23.37 | dr1v3r | anyone know a good step by step guide to config shoewall? |
| 00:23.39 | stew | and now i'm gone |
| 00:23.52 | starfishy | :) |
| 00:23.53 | dr1v3r | let me add EASY step by step guide lol |
| 00:23.54 | starfishy | have fun |
| 00:24.05 | dr1v3r | ell star |
| 00:24.08 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: i do i, slow laptop, and some things that i must setup to optimalise that thing that are slow |
| 00:24.14 | starfishy | hellfire: you mean 0,5 * * * * |
| 00:24.23 | starfishy | not 0/5 * * * * |
| 00:24.39 | tyranix | dr1v3r: darn, so now my advice is invalid "step 1) read shoewall source code, 2) configure it". :) |
| 00:24.49 | hellfire | starfishy: on my ipcop server it works like this / |
| 00:24.52 | starfishy | oh |
| 00:24.56 | starfishy | just read up on it |
| 00:25.09 | nurv | plp I've used this one */5 * * * * /bin/command It must be in every 5 minutes |
| 00:25.11 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: http://pastebin.com/523210 |
| 00:25.34 | starfishy | */5 * * * * means every minute except for the fofth minute in the hour |
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| 00:25.57 | starfishy | fifth |
| 00:26.02 | tyranix | starfishy: */5 * * * * means every fifth minute. |
| 00:26.10 | tyranix | every multiple of 5 I mean |
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| 00:26.23 | starfishy | oh, yeah |
| 00:26.27 | starfishy | misread the manpage :P |
| 00:26.37 | nurv | okay plp work is done, thank you again :-) |
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| 00:28.09 | nurv | I'he one more question ;-) Why xmms makes my system so slow? Sometimes i Can't execute nothing else. |
| 00:28.30 | hellfire | how much mhz does you system have? |
| 00:28.36 | nurv | 750Mhz |
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| 00:28.42 | hellfire | hm. |
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| 00:28.49 | starfishy | should be enough for xmms |
| 00:28.54 | hellfire | that should be no problem. |
| 00:29.42 | dvs | nurv: Playing a CD? |
| 00:29.49 | starfishy | hm, patching the kernel becomes a major task :) |
| 00:29.52 | hellfire | nurv: sure that xmms is the app which causes trouble. maybe check with the command top |
| 00:29.55 | starfishy | suspend, xen, ... |
| 00:30.01 | nurv | dvs nope |
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| 00:30.35 | dvm1981 | mbotev have take me in a private room, stange, he say that he can not join this channel |
| 00:30.40 | nurv | hellfire, top says that xmms use 90%ot my CPU and 30% ot my 256ram |
| 00:30.52 | Echo9 | What are you playing in xmms? |
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| 00:31.01 | nurv | mp3s |
| 00:31.06 | Echo9 | Strange. |
| 00:31.10 | hellfire | nurv: wow. thats too much. |
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| 00:31.45 | hellfire | nurv: only a guess: maybe the driver for your soundcard? |
| 00:31.58 | nurv | xmmm let me check |
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| 00:32.50 | dvm1981 | eeyore-: Are you there ? |
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| 00:33.43 | Echo9 | I have a strange problem as well... I've configured my Debian box (installed today, thank you) to get the address 10.0.0.3 on my NAT, and my Windows box gets 10.0.0.2. However, it seems that the Debian box gets jealous, and after a while of happily working on 10.0.0.3, it knocks the Windows machine off the network and grabs 10.0.0.2 out of nowhere. |
| 00:34.14 | hellfire | echo9: thats how it should be :) |
| 00:34.18 | Echo9 | Doesn't exactly grab it "out of nowhere" but you get what I mean. Does that sound familiar to anyone? |
| 00:34.29 | nurv | hellfire, It was setup in oss, chage it to alsa. Now I'm testing :-) |
| 00:34.40 | hellfire | nurv: ok. |
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| 00:35.09 | nurv | bye bye for now :-) |
| 00:35.16 | hellfire | nurv: did it work? |
| 00:35.16 | Echo9 | hellfire: Was that a joke, or is there something I don't know about with regard to Debian being unfriendly? |
| 00:35.24 | Echo9 | Bye nurv |
| 00:35.25 | nurv | hellfire, it work fine now |
| 00:35.33 | hellfire | cool. bye! |
| 00:35.41 | nurv | thank you again ;-) |
| 00:35.47 | hellfire | echo9: just kidding. |
| 00:35.56 | nurv | bye Echo9 |
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| 00:36.07 | Echo9 | Hm... it's quite a frustrating problem, really. |
| 00:36.35 | hellfire | echo9: what do you mean by nat? |
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| 00:36.50 | Echo9 | Er... that was a slip, I meant LAN |
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| 00:37.31 | ForrestF | my imac (g3) is not getting DCHP from my cable modem, i dont even think it knows my ethernet port is there |
| 00:37.38 | tekron | whoops |
| 00:37.40 | hellfire | echo9: how do the machines get their ip? |
| 00:37.59 | Echo9 | hellfire: Er... they talk to the router, I guess. |
| 00:38.05 | hellfire | echo9: do you set them up by hand, or by dhcpd? |
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| 00:38.23 | Echo9 | By hand; if I use DHCP they'd just get random IPs, right? |
| 00:38.41 | hellfire | echo9: is dhcp disabled on the router? |
| 00:38.51 | Echo9 | No; DHCP is enabled; I use it for other machines. |
| 00:39.08 | codergeek42 | Echo9: not necessarily random. the router could reserve the IP and re-lease it to the same computer each time. |
| 00:39.12 | codergeek42 | i know my router does that |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | ForrestF: lsmod .. ifconfig -a .. lspci .. dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:39.21 | starfishy | sounds like a problem with the router |
| 00:39.28 | Echo9 | Or actually |
| 00:39.31 | vargux | .....hi...it's "real" that xmms don't reproduce mp3??? |
| 00:39.32 | Echo9 | When I think about it... |
| 00:39.34 | hellfire | echo9: yeah you can bind ethernet addresses to fix ip addresses. |
| 00:39.36 | starfishy | a dhcp client per definition cannot grab a specific ip |
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| 00:39.42 | vargux | in Debian Etch... |
| 00:39.55 | Echo9 | The Deb machine and the Win machine are both behind a hub behind the router. Could that have anything to do with it? |
| 00:39.59 | starfishy | if the linux box gets the ip apparently the lease of the windows box runs out and is not renewed |
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| 00:40.13 | starfishy | or the dhcp server ignores thre renewal |
| 00:40.23 | abrotman | wtf .. where the fuck did all the damn guitar sites go |
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| 00:40.36 | Echo9 | starfishy: But the Linux box is set to get another IP; it's set to get 10.0.0.3, and the Win box is set to get 10.0.0.2. Not using DHCP on either machine. |
| 00:40.40 | hellfire | abrotman: ? |
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| 00:40.55 | tyranix | abrotman: You mean guitar tab sites? Wasn't there a crackdown on lyrics/tab sites? |
| 00:41.00 | starfishy | so you set the IPs manually? |
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| 00:41.09 | Echo9 | starfishy: Yes. |
| 00:41.13 | abrotman | tyranix: yeah .. like 7 years ago :) |
| 00:41.20 | tyranix | abrotman: heh |
| 00:41.27 | hellfire | abrotman: with or without the - : tab-mall.com |
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| 00:41.30 | starfishy | then the only reason i can think of is that something or someone calls DHCP after you set the interfaces up manually |
| 00:41.34 | tyranix | I thought it was more recent. Or maybe threats of one. |
| 00:41.44 | starfishy | is dhcp switched on on the router? |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | hellfire: wtf |
| 00:41.53 | starfishy | and if so, what range of IPs does it serve? |
| 00:42.04 | Echo9 | Serves 10.0.0.2-254. |
| 00:42.12 | starfishy | that is not good at all |
| 00:42.14 | Echo9 | There are 3 other machines on the network, and they all use DHCP without a problem. |
| 00:42.18 | hellfire | abrotman: are you searching for a page with guitar tabs? |
| 00:42.20 | Echo9 | Not good? |
| 00:42.29 | hatake_kakashi | does apt-get by default check the data from /var/cache/apt/archives first for .deb files before it downloads them from the internet? or does it just overwrite?. If it overwrites, is there a way to prevent that? |
| 00:42.31 | starfishy | you need to make sure that manually set IP addresses are _not_ within DHCP range |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | hellfire: tab-mall is a squatter |
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| 00:42.49 | Echo9 | starfishy: Hm... Yeah, I guess I can configure that. |
| 00:42.49 | hellfire | hatake: yes it does check. |
| 00:42.51 | starfishy | the dhcp server knows nothing of your manually set addresses |
| 00:42.58 | Echo9 | Sounds sound. |
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| 00:43.04 | starfishy | so it will hand out the first address in the range to whoever asks |
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| 00:43.16 | starfishy | and for some reason your linux box seems to ask |
| 00:43.16 | hatake_kakashi | hellfire: odd, that's two people saying the same thing.. oh well, I'm going to try it out again, thanks for the input hellfire |
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| 00:43.29 | hellfire | yep |
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| 00:44.02 | hellfire | hatake: by the way: check out aptitude. |
| 00:44.03 | Echo9 | starfishy: Ok, I'll telnet into the router and try to limit the range of IPs it gives out to DHCP. |
| 00:44.26 | starfishy | good |
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| 00:44.35 | hatake_kakashi | hellfire: heh I've ran it for the first time last time round, its not bad I suppose.. but is it another front end for apt-get/dpkg or is it something else? :) |
| 00:45.01 | hellfire | hatake: i think its a smarter frontend for apt-get |
| 00:45.15 | hatake_kakashi | hellfire: hmm nice.. front-end ontop of another front-end heh |
| 00:45.23 | hellfire | hatake: well i still also use apt-get |
| 00:46.02 | hellfire | hatake: what is cool about aptitude is that it removes uneeded libs with the removed programs. |
| 00:46.23 | hatake_kakashi | hellfire: I might stick with apt-get for a bit as well :) that's one of the things I was looking for whilst on deb/deb variants |
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| 00:47.10 | hellfire | ok. |
| 00:47.12 | loafy | heh... what's wrong with front-ends on top of front-ends? C is a front-end for asm and Unix is a front-end for C! ;) |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | uhm .. not quite |
| 00:47.33 | tyranix | hatake_kakashi: I don't think it's just a front end. When sarge was released, the word was to use aptitude instead of apt-get because it handled dependency upgrades better. A simple front end would be identical. |
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| 00:47.37 | hellfire | loafy: yes we could talk to the internet using telnet. |
| 00:47.45 | Nihilanth | i know this is *really* vauge, but i've installed alsa-base libasound2 alsa-oss alsautils (and others) ran alsaconf and it doesnt detect any cards, can anyone help me with alsa? |
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| 00:47.57 | hatake_kakashi | tyranix: hmm |
| 00:48.09 | starfishy | i doubt aptitude calls apt-get |
| 00:48.17 | benjamindees | loafy, C is teh slow :p |
| 00:48.23 | loafy | seriously! |
| 00:48.27 | loafy | hah. |
| 00:48.31 | starfishy | c is slow? |
| 00:48.34 | starfishy | what's fast then? |
| 00:48.41 | benjamindees | ...damn skript kiddies |
| 00:48.42 | hatake_kakashi | asm lol |
| 00:48.42 | hellfire | nihilanth: you need a kernel module for your soundcard i think. |
| 00:48.43 | loafy | starfishy: machine code |
| 00:48.50 | Nihilanth | hellfire: i've got all them compiled aswell. |
| 00:48.53 | hatake_kakashi | machine code: lol |
| 00:49.03 | starfishy | well written C code is not slow |
| 00:49.08 | starfishy | badly written machine code is |
| 00:49.15 | hatake_kakashi | C is a hell lot better than Java performance wise :P |
| 00:49.15 | starfishy | it all depends on the point of view |
| 00:49.23 | starfishy | well, duh |
| 00:49.25 | loafy | starfishy: C is pretty damy faster in general, it was a joke ;) |
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| 00:49.28 | hellfire | nihilanth: well what does dmesg of kern.log say when you modprobe your module? |
| 00:49.33 | starfishy | java was never meant to be fast |
| 00:49.36 | hellfire | of=or |
| 00:49.42 | benjamindees | !start a language war |
| 00:49.42 | dpkg | C++ is faster than LITHP |
| 00:49.43 | starfishy | it was and is meant to be portable |
| 00:49.51 | hatake_kakashi | starfishy: I wasn trying to take a punt at what loafy said |
| 00:50.02 | hatake_kakashi | s/wasn/was |
| 00:50.03 | hellfire | apropos fast: did anyone check out reiser4fs ? |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | it's crap |
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| 00:50.19 | hatake_kakashi | hellfire: yeah I heard it was crap.. ditto to abrotman |
| 00:50.19 | cisse | heh basically |
| 00:50.34 | cisse | xfs and ext3 wiped the floor with it |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 00:50.41 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 00:50.42 | loafy | hellfire: i make it a point never to use software that the author named after him/herself |
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| 00:51.09 | ForrestF- | its me |
| 00:51.10 | ForrestF- | anyway |
| 00:51.18 | ForrestF- | what am i looking for |
| 00:51.39 | Azar | loafy and that would be? lisp? java? assembly? hey whereis mr assembly? |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | ForrestF: lsmod .. ifconfig -a .. lspci .. dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 00:51.44 | hellfire | yesterday i installed a partition with it because they claimed it would be the fastest fs. well until now i didnt check much, but for me it doesnt make a lot of difference. |
| 00:51.49 | ForrestF- | did that |
| 00:51.51 | ForrestF- | now what |
| 00:51.54 | Echo9 | I'll probably disappear now.... brb |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | ForrestF: did you see anything useful ? |
| 00:52.04 | ForrestF- | kinda |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | care to share? |
| 00:52.26 | loafy | Azar: naw i was making fun of reiserfs that time :/ |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:52.27 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:52.29 | nvz | abrotman: Stillers! |
| 00:52.33 | abrotman | nvz: -ot! |
| 00:52.41 | ForrestF- | due |
| 00:52.42 | ForrestF- | dude |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | hey .. maybe i'm a girl! |
| 00:52.56 | ForrestF- | its on another computer im not writing all that |
| 00:52.57 | Azar | loafy ah, |
| 00:52.59 | nvz | abrotman: yoi, douba yoi! |
| 00:53.06 | Echo9 | Hey, I didn't disappear. |
| 00:53.11 | abrotman | nvz: you're the president? |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | ForrestF: ok .. does dmesg | grep -i eth .. show the NIC ? |
| 00:53.25 | hellfire | ups: The "fsck" (filesystem check) utilities for ReiserFS has earned a reputation for often repairing filesystems by massive deletion of files. |
| 00:53.41 | hellfire | from: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 00:53.43 | ForrestF- | eth0 |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | they didn't use to have a fsck at all :) |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | ForrestF: so there is an eth0 ? |
| 00:53.59 | ForrestF- | yes |
| 00:54.07 | loafy | hellfire: that was one of the compromises they made to increase performance, i think |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | ForrestF: it just has no IP ? |
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| 00:54.23 | ForrestF- | yep |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | ForrestF: ifconfig -a .. see an IP for eth0 ? |
| 00:54.35 | nvz | abrotman: Double yoi! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Cope |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman | nvz: i know who he is :) |
| 00:55.06 | ForrestF- | nope |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | nvz: there's a special terrible towel with his stuff on it |
| 00:55.10 | ForrestF- | a HW address |
| 00:55.26 | abrotman | ForrestF: dhclient eth0 |
| 00:55.46 | ForrestF- | brb see i only have 1 eth cable |
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| 00:56.00 | abrotman | oh .. cute :) |
| 00:56.06 | Azar | problem solved! |
| 00:56.10 | ForrestF- | lol |
| 00:56.10 | Azar | !beer abrotman |
| 00:56.14 | Nihilanth | hellfire: i'm sorry, went afk for a second |
| 00:56.30 | Nihilanth | hellfire: what do i need to do? |
| 00:56.31 | hellfire | dont worry. im having fun. |
| 00:56.36 | Echo9 | starfishy: Nope. Didn't help; now Linux is grabbing the address even though it's not in the DHCP pool. |
| 00:56.37 | markybob | i have several ip's listed as "ALL: x.x.x.x" in hosts.deny, but those machines can still ssh in. why is sshd not obeying hosts.deny? |
| 00:56.53 | starfishy | then something inside Linux is not quite right |
| 00:57.02 | starfishy | have you checked the settings in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:57.06 | hellfire | nihilanth: try to have fun too. |
| 00:57.16 | starfishy | and have you restarted the dhcp server? |
| 00:57.21 | Nihilanth | hellfire: 'kay ? |
| 00:57.27 | Echo9 | starfishy: Restarting it... Hm... |
| 00:57.39 | chaedaeX | markybob: it doesn't use hosts.allow/deny by default does it? |
| 00:57.40 | starfishy | if not, it may still use the old ip range even though you changed the config file |
| 00:58.03 | hatake_kakashi | hellfire: it doesn't seem to work, I'm very sure its overwriting what I have previously downloaded.. :/ I wonder if I can make an apt-repo first and then change the sources.list to point to mine for that instance |
| 00:58.07 | Echo9 | That's true. Will restart (and probably ping out) now. |
| 00:58.09 | markybob | chaedaeX: i sure thought it did. i'm more familiar with openbsd than debian linux, but i figured all linux/unix machines did. |
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| 00:58.55 | chaedaeX | markybob: hmm it says its compiled with tcp-wrappers support... |
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| 00:59.19 | ForrestF | back |
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| 00:59.29 | hellfire | hatake: well, strange. |
| 00:59.31 | ForrestF | now i think it had a figth? |
| 00:59.35 | dvm1981 | So continueing to setting up my sound card ESS1688 on my laptop... I have installed all the needed alsa things, have do : alsaconf, unmute the volume, but the sound not work, i hear now some system_bell?? (thing thing that do, sorry bad english) when i do somethings, so there is a bit more sound, But playing an MP3 file with xmms and others apparently do nothing. The progressbar not go to the right to indicate the position. What i must verify |
| 00:59.35 | dvm1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.38 | chaedaeX | markybob: did you first deny all in .deny? |
| 00:59.52 | hellfire | hatake: sorry, but i have to pass two exams tomorrow, i have to go to bed now. |
| 00:59.56 | Azar | hahahahaaa!! http://bash.org/?605501 |
| 01:00.02 | hatake_kakashi | np have fun hellfire |
| 01:00.04 | ForrestF | ip length 336 disagress with bytes revc 338 |
| 01:00.10 | hellfire | hatake: cu |
| 01:00.15 | markybob | chaedaeX: no, that's not my goal. i want only those listed in .deny to be denied, not all. |
| 01:00.19 | Azar | dvm1981: it is late, we are tired, take a break |
| 01:00.19 | chaedaeX | dvm1981: find out what is using the sound device. lsof | grep /dev/dsp might help |
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| 01:00.42 | abrotman | ForrestF: no good? |
| 01:00.46 | ios | Hi.. Can anyone explain this: http://pastebin.com/523266 |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | ios: it's a URL |
| 01:01.05 | ios | abrotman: hah, but it's content |
| 01:01.12 | ForrestF | no good |
| 01:01.18 | ForrestF | it just gives up |
| 01:01.32 | dvm1981 | Azar: I understand ;-) if i can find i sollution now, thats better otherwise i must report it to another day, the sound is al some days that i report, |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | ForrestF: maybe ask #debianppc |
| 01:01.36 | abrotman | !pc |
| 01:01.36 | dpkg | A PC is a Personal Computer. A Macintosh is a PC. PC doesn't automatically mean x86, damn it. Politically Correct |
| 01:01.40 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:01.40 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 01:01.59 | Echo9_ | starfishy: Restarting didn't help. Will look at /etc/network/interfaces now |
| 01:02.02 | Azar | dvm1981: we were not able to work with you for the past 7 hours, be sure it will take another day |
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| 01:02.39 | Azar | chaedaeX: do you want to take over with dvm1981 ? |
| 01:02.42 | Echo9_ | starfishy: interfaces says 10.0.0.3 |
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| 01:02.59 | dvm1981 | chaedaeX: I have do that command, he show nothing also with root |
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| 01:03.50 | dvm1981 | Azar: You have always right man :-) |
| 01:03.54 | hatake_kakashi | which version of apt-get supports checking of caches before attempting to download? |
| 01:04.11 | starfishy | weird |
| 01:04.51 | benjamindees | hatake_kakashi, all of them? |
| 01:04.54 | dvm1981 | starfishy: To me ? |
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| 01:05.03 | Echo9_ | Do you think it might have something to do with the hub I mentioned earlier, starfishy? |
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| 01:05.07 | starfishy | dvm: no, to echo9 |
| 01:05.24 | starfishy | a hub should not influence your ip setting |
| 01:05.36 | starfishy | hubs by definition are dumb (IOW not IP aware |
| 01:05.44 | Echo9_ | Yeah... |
| 01:05.57 | dvm1981 | chaedaeX: I have try the command you give 'lsof | grep /dev/dsp' but he show not output |
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| 01:06.02 | starfishy | there are only two ways your system can get a new ip address |
| 01:06.04 | ForrestF | darn no one is in there really |
| 01:06.07 | hatake_kakashi | benjamindees: well, this is very odd then.. I copied all the .deb pkgs from archives before reinstalling, and I copied them back.. a simple apt-get to get those necessary pkgs back makes it overwrite |
| 01:06.17 | starfishy | either it is set automatically (by dhcp or similar means) |
| 01:06.25 | starfishy | or manually (i.e. by some program) |
| 01:06.27 | loafy | starfishy: except that most people don't know the difference between a hub/switch/router/gateway and use the terms interchangeably... |
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| 01:06.37 | starfishy | loafy: yup |
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| 01:06.49 | hatake_kakashi | I mean from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | ForrestF: dhclient does nothing? |
| 01:06.57 | ForrestF | nothing |
| 01:07.00 | benjamindees | hatake_kakashi, there may be an index... |
| 01:07.05 | Echo9_ | Well, I thought it might cause problems *because* a hub is dumb. |
| 01:07.16 | hatake_kakashi | benjamindees: you are kidding.. I didn't copy that :S |
| 01:07.19 | Echo9_ | So much for my intuition. :) |
| 01:07.24 | benjamindees | hatake_kakashi, can you add a file: url to sources.list instead? |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | ForrestF: what about setting a static IP ? |
| 01:07.31 | ForrestF | its trys a few times and gives ip length 336 disagress with bytes revc 338 a few times tryed agien and dies |
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| 01:07.42 | hatake_kakashi | benjamindees: I'm not too sure what you mean by that |
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| 01:07.59 | starfishy | echo9_: check /var/log/syslog for dhcp messages |
| 01:08.08 | benjamindees | hatake_kakashi, man sources.list |
| 01:08.15 | ForrestF | this is for netinstall FYI |
| 01:08.15 | starfishy | see whether 10.0.0.2 is set manually |
| 01:08.26 | hatake_kakashi | benjamindees: in fact I was thinking of setting up a small repo just to make this work |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | ForrestF: which kernel? |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | wtf is this .. DHCP hell night? |
| 01:08.45 | benjamindees | hatake_kakashi, deb file:/path/to/debs stable main |
| 01:08.56 | hatake_kakashi | benjamindees: ta |
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| 01:09.28 | ForrestF | its sarge |
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| 01:09.49 | SperMite | anyone using a webcam on linux>?> |
| 01:09.51 | Echo9_ | starfishy: Ugh... yes; it's making DHCP requests. |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | ForrestF: sarge is not a kernel version |
| 01:09.57 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 01:10.02 | Guerin | !anyone use a webcam on linux? |
| 01:10.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses a webcam on linux, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:10.19 | abrotman | thank god .. i mean .. who wants to see a geek on camera |
| 01:10.20 | ForrestF | 2 6 8 |
| 01:10.22 | loafy | haha whatever, i had a webcam on linux for a while |
| 01:10.26 | ForrestF | 2.6.8 |
| 01:10.39 | loafy | it was mounted on the ceiling of the hall outside my front door |
| 01:10.41 | starfishy | then likely something on your net is serving 10.0.0.2 as dhcp address |
| 01:10.46 | loafy | pointing at the hot girls apartment on the other side :/ |
| 01:10.49 | Echo9_ | Wait, actually that DHCP request might have been me telling it do do that... |
| 01:10.49 | loafy | i got some good footage |
| 01:10.53 | abrotman | ForrestF: did you try a static IP ? |
| 01:10.54 | starfishy | the request stanzas should contain the IP of the server |
| 01:10.57 | Guerin | loafy: ... |
| 01:11.08 | Echo9_ | Because it's almost an hour ago. |
| 01:11.08 | loafy | Guerin: ..? |
| 01:11.12 | starfishy | echo9: pm for a sec? |
| 01:11.15 | ForrestF | how its going rigth to the cablr modem no router |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | ForrestF: do you have pppoe ? |
| 01:11.30 | Echo9_ | Ok |
| 01:11.36 | ForrestF | no |
| 01:11.36 | abrotman | Guerin: see what happens wheny ou never have sex? |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | and it's not USB is it? |
| 01:11.54 | Guerin | abrotman: i know. It' a scary, scary world out there. |
| 01:11.57 | ForrestF | no |
| 01:12.03 | ForrestF | ethernet |
| 01:12.07 | SperMite | abrotman i wanna do time lapse, if i wanted to jerk off i would have kept that windows partition |
| 01:12.10 | Guerin | loafy: you just broke my Lame-o-Meter |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | SperMite: you think WIndows is cute? |
| 01:12.23 | loafy | hey, i have a girlfriend! :( |
| 01:12.28 | Guerin | loafy: sure you do. |
| 01:12.35 | loafy | haha i swear, i do! :( |
| 01:12.40 | SperMite | abrotman no |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | Rosie |
| 01:12.55 | abrotman | SperMite: than what does windows have to do with you jerking off ? |
| 01:12.57 | Guerin | loafy: you can swear as much as you like.I believe you. Really. |
| 01:13.06 | loafy | and she's in tri-delta ;) |
| 01:13.07 | ForrestF | p0rn? |
| 01:13.24 | ios | Anyone now anything about courier? |
| 01:13.31 | SperMite | abrotman it was good for using my webcam |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | ios: there is more than one part of courier |
| 01:13.41 | Guerin | ios: no. Virgin, uncharted territory. |
| 01:13.56 | Guerin | oops, I said virgin. Sorry loafy. |
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| 01:14.04 | loafy | ;< |
| 01:14.14 | loafy | your mom's a virgin |
| 01:14.16 | ios | abrotman: Well, the MTA part |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | ios: did you try #courier ? |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | loafy: that's the stupidest thing anyone has said here all day |
| 01:14.38 | ios | abrotman: Yep, all silent |
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| 01:14.59 | loafy | abrotman: dude, you know it made you laugh though :P |
| 01:15.03 | Guerin | !ask |
| 01:15.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:15.15 | Guerin | ios: there's your freebie. |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | loafy: no .. it made me think your IQ is about 12 |
| 01:15.31 | loafy | sigh.. |
| 01:15.49 | ios | Guerin: I allready tried that: http://pastebin.com/523266 |
| 01:16.10 | loafy | abrotman: are you calling me a creationist? |
| 01:16.10 | SperMite | Can someone test my apache to see if its up? http://69.172.40.18:187/ |
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| 01:16.37 | ForrestF | spermite |
| 01:16.42 | ForrestF | its up |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | loafy: quit being a tard |
| 01:16.57 | Guerin | abrotman: be realistic. |
| 01:16.58 | ios | SperMite: yep |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | ForrestF: does your ISP only allow a certain MAC? |
| 01:17.09 | SperMite | ok |
| 01:17.44 | ForrestF | nope windows never had a prob with it, |
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| 01:17.48 | loafy | haha, ok.. im just screwin around, sorry if i offended you :/ |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | ForrestF: uhm .. the MAC is the same in windows/linux .. but it differs when you cahnge machines |
| 01:18.33 | ForrestF | i dont think i used it with my lappy |
| 01:18.36 | Guerin | ios: how is the paste url any relation to what dpkg told you in !ask ? |
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| 01:19.06 | Guerin | ios: mmy only advice is: use a MTA which is better supported - such as exim4 or postfix. |
| 01:19.10 | ios | Guerin: I asked about if anyone could help me with courier.. |
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| 01:19.25 | ios | Guerin: Does exim4 do Maildir? |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | Guerin: come on .. three people use courier-mta :) |
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| 01:19.29 | abrotman | ios: postfix does |
| 01:19.43 | ios | Guerin: I choose courier because it's a nice package and somewhat easy to configure for virtual users |
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| 01:20.01 | ForrestF | qmail |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | you should really look at postfix |
| 01:20.05 | ForrestF | does that |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | noone really wants to use qmail |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | ForrestF: what is the NIC? |
| 01:20.40 | ForrestF | ? |
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| 01:21.01 | abrotman | ForrestF: lspci .. what kind of network card? |
| 01:21.04 | Guerin | ios: apparently not, though. |
| 01:21.11 | ForrestF | lspci is not founs |
| 01:21.13 | Guerin | never use qmail |
| 01:21.17 | abrotman | ForrestF: as root |
| 01:21.18 | ForrestF | this is for netinstall |
| 01:21.28 | Guerin | and qmail is NOT easy to configure for virtual users |
| 01:21.33 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 01:21.33 | dpkg | hmm... postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
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| 01:22.31 | ForrestF | <benjy> burned cd 1 got it up and then got dhcp working once the base system was up. |
| 01:22.39 | ForrestF | migth try that |
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| 01:23.08 | thecoolestcow | what's a prog i can use to see what ports my apps are using? |
| 01:23.23 | ForrestF | nmap is good |
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| 01:23.29 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 01:23.29 | dpkg | well, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 01:24.07 | hatake_kakashi | benjamindees: I've tried various ways but I still cannot get it working, consulted the manual but it doesn't seem to help |
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| 01:26.49 | kaflan | who known how to allow root to logon in X? |
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| 01:27.30 | Coweater | kaflan: gdm? |
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| 01:27.44 | Nurbs | ist lists.alioth.debian.org broken or did it move? |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | kaflan: why would you want to ? |
| 01:29.43 | stew | Nurbs: temporarily down, they said it would be down for a few mintues about 3 hours ago |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | !tell Kzar_fr about root |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | they who? |
| 01:30.12 | Nurbs | stew: ah, thanks. I was wondering when I hit refresh and got a 404 :) |
| 01:30.16 | Coweater | wrong nick |
| 01:31.03 | Coweater | er nm different thing |
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| 01:31.12 | s0n1 | mirror -> codega .dep |
| 01:31.16 | s0n1 | someone have? |
| 01:31.19 | stew | abrotman: taggart, made a /notice in -devel |
| 01:31.21 | s0n1 | wineX |
| 01:31.28 | s0n1 | someone have? |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | stew: oh .. i guess i'd have ot be there to notice :) |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | s0n1: is cedega in debian ? |
| 01:32.10 | s0n1 | yep |
| 01:32.11 | stew | #tell abrotman about dfsg |
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| 01:32.24 | bOOnCeR | hey all |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | !info cedega sarge |
| 01:32.34 | stew | s0n1: it's not |
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| 01:33.17 | abrotman | s0n1: ask #cedega |
| 01:33.57 | bOOnCeR | any 1 know of a math app that shows ye working out |
| 01:34.43 | Azar | bOOnCeR: ? |
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| 01:34.54 | bOOnCeR | Azar |
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| 01:35.12 | Azar | bOOnCeR: I did not understand what you asked? |
| 01:35.15 | meriad | i have an old monitor and i dont know what the vertical and horizontal freqs are.. any idea how i can find em? |
| 01:35.40 | bOOnCeR | need to find a maths program for debian that shows you workings |
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| 01:35.51 | bcc | what's the max file size for ext3? |
| 01:35.52 | ClayG | is there anything that can interact with MS publisher files, in the .pub format? |
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| 01:36.17 | azeem | bcc: very large |
| 01:36.24 | Azar | bOOnCeR: OpenOffice has a math section |
| 01:36.25 | meriad | bcc 4gb |
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| 01:36.31 | stew | meriad: no, larger |
| 01:36.32 | bcc | azeem: over 40G? |
| 01:36.33 | azeem | meriad: are you sure? |
| 01:36.36 | meriad | stew for a single file |
| 01:36.37 | bcc | oh, that sucks |
| 01:36.39 | meriad | stew im pretty sure |
| 01:36.40 | Guerin | 2TB, I believe |
| 01:36.45 | meriad | not per file |
| 01:36.47 | bOOnCeR | ill have another look thanks :) |
| 01:36.48 | meriad | Guerin not for 1 file |
| 01:36.49 | stew | meriad: i'm sure i have larger |
| 01:36.54 | meriad | stew hmm maybe |
| 01:36.58 | meriad | stew lemme check |
| 01:37.01 | Guerin | meriad: it's certainly bigger than 4G |
| 01:37.04 | bcc | i need to store a disk image of one box on another one in a file. it's about 40G |
| 01:37.11 | meriad | holy rap |
| 01:37.11 | meriad | crap |
| 01:37.12 | meriad | hehe |
| 01:37.31 | ChompWizd | 40 gig wil work fine |
| 01:37.32 | meriad | yes |
| 01:37.34 | ChompWizd | i've made 100 gig files before |
| 01:37.35 | meriad | 2 TB is right |
| 01:37.37 | bcc | ok, thanks. |
| 01:37.39 | meriad | Guerin very good :> |
| 01:37.58 | ChompWizd | long as your application supports that size of file too |
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| 01:39.08 | shwag | what does kill -0 do ? |
| 01:39.11 | Guerin | depends on your blocksize |
| 01:39.16 | Guerin | http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/apas04.html |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | it is not 4GB |
| 01:39.32 | stew | the largest i have is 5.7 gigs |
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| 01:39.48 | abrotman | stew: dpkg's database? |
| 01:39.56 | erratic | is it #paste |
| 01:39.56 | erratic | I forget |
| 01:39.57 | bcc | will netcat and dd be able to handle large files? |
| 01:40.00 | erratic | I need some help guys |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | #flood |
| 01:40.08 | erratic | I can't mount a partition that exists |
| 01:40.08 | stew | no i made a backup copy of a, uhh, home movie |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | stew: you and the wifey? |
| 01:40.39 | Guerin | stew: oh, I think i have that |
| 01:40.45 | ChompWizd | bcc: i dumped 10 gig off a laptop last week, so yes. |
| 01:40.50 | Guerin | stew: you could have turned the bloody light on |
| 01:40.54 | stew | haha |
| 01:40.57 | Guerin | puritans, jeeze |
| 01:41.01 | stew | abrotman: dpkg's database is very small |
| 01:41.03 | erratic | Azar, look in #flood.. |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | stew: i was joking! |
| 01:41.09 | stew | (comparitively) |
| 01:41.24 | bcc | ChompWizd: that's what i'm doing now. i'm sending a latop in for repairs and most likely those morons will reinstall windows as well as fixing the stuff, so i want to make an image of the drive |
| 01:41.38 | erratic | Azar, you're a faggot |
| 01:41.43 | erratic | will someone |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | erratic: stop |
| 01:41.43 | erratic | plz |
| 01:41.46 | erratic | look at the paste |
| 01:41.49 | erratic | fuck off |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | right .. you're on your own |
| 01:42.05 | erratic | suck a c0ck dick hole |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | let's insult people that help .. good plan |
| 01:42.11 | stew | !ops erratic |
| 01:42.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: erratic |
| 01:42.13 | Guerin | !ops erratic is being erratic |
| 01:42.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: erratic is being erratic |
| 01:42.14 | Azar | erratic sorry paste it to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:42.16 | Guerin | oops |
| 01:42.16 | erratic | you're not gonna help anyways |
| 01:42.17 | erratic | so stfu |
| 01:42.36 | Azar | oh cocks? well ok |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | i can't believe he said "c0ck" .. |
| 01:42.43 | Guerin | erratic: what gives you the chops to come in here being an arsehole? |
| 01:42.45 | Azar | do not bother pasting, I won't bother looking |
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| 01:43.21 | ChompWizd | bcc: if you did run into problems, you could use the skip option of dd, and use separate files |
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| 01:43.36 | abrotman | russian_mafia: are you having fun? |
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| 01:44.01 | Dewi | of course he is |
| 01:44.06 | Dewi | he's the russian mafia! |
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| 01:44.21 | Azar | bah one fucktard more |
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| 01:44.38 | bcc | ChompWizd: do you think if there were any problems with dd or netcat they would become obvious? |
| 01:44.47 | Dewi | Azar: he said "stfu". Tee-hee. |
| 01:44.52 | bcc | ChompWizd: i'm worried that i might just end up with silently corrupted image |
| 01:44.57 | ChompWizd | bcc: they should complain when they hit 2gb |
| 01:45.01 | Azar | Dewi I guess he talked for himself |
| 01:45.04 | bcc | ChompWizd: i see |
| 01:45.12 | ChompWizd | look for a file that's 2147483648 bytes long |
| 01:45.13 | bcc | ChompWizd: were you able to do 10G without problems? |
| 01:45.20 | ChompWizd | bcc: yes. |
| 01:45.24 | bcc | ChompWizd: with dd? |
| 01:45.26 | ChompWizd | and bzip -9 was able to compress it too |
| 01:45.38 | ChompWizd | i've done 300 gb with dd before, no problems |
| 01:45.40 | Dewi | Azar: Oh, I guess he's gone. Do we get much join flooding in here anymore? because I still have all joins and parts on /ignore for #debian |
| 01:46.01 | bcc | ChompWizd: ok, why do you think they should complain when hitting 2g then? |
| 01:46.31 | Dewi | bcc: samba hits 2gb and stops sometimes... |
| 01:46.32 | ChompWizd | bcc: because 2gb would be the file size limit of anything that can't handle LFS |
| 01:46.33 | Dewi | bcc: totally silently |
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| 01:46.46 | ChompWizd | yeah, i first tried to copy the laptop via samba(i was using a knoppix boot cd) |
| 01:46.58 | ChompWizd | and it puked at 2gb for whatever reason |
| 01:47.01 | Dewi | bcc: I've lost backup data a few times because of it :( |
| 01:47.02 | ChompWizd | so then i remembered netcat |
| 01:47.04 | bcc | i want to boot off knoppix and dd over netcat to the other box |
| 01:47.12 | bcc | and compress it over there |
| 01:47.14 | ChompWizd | samba was moving at about 4 meg a second, netcat maxed out the ethernet at about 11.5 |
| 01:47.18 | Dewi | bcc: what's serving on the other box? |
| 01:47.30 | bcc | Dewi: that's what i'm worried about. silent crap. |
| 01:47.40 | bcc | Dewi: one is my laptop the other one is my desktop |
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| 01:48.04 | bcc | Dewi: will use the same nc and dd on both ends |
| 01:48.09 | Dewi | bcc: are you running nc in server mode on the other end? and piping to a file? |
| 01:48.14 | ChompWizd | bcc: do what i did.. dd the hard drive, and then mount the image on the other end via loop, and see if it looks sane |
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| 01:48.18 | Cyorxamp | when playing 3D games my mouse input is laggy (especially the higher the resolution you go) anyone know why!?!!? (p.s. the ati drivers are on and graphically it looks cool) |
| 01:48.21 | ChompWizd | i suppose you could also md5sum the hard drive, and the hard drive image |
| 01:48.26 | Dewi | bcc: I've never heard of this transfer method... it actually sounds pretty cool. Although insecure. |
| 01:48.27 | bcc | Dewi: yep, that's the plan. have nc listen and pipe to a file through gzip |
| 01:48.54 | Dewi | bcc: but to be honest, I've been burned enough times to feel that you should mount the image after you've grabbed it |
| 01:48.57 | bcc | like "nc -l -p 50000 | gzip -1 > myimage" |
| 01:48.58 | Dewi | bcc: and do a fsck |
| 01:49.01 | ChompWizd | Dewi: one could also pipe it through ssh, same method |
| 01:49.03 | Dewi | bcc: on the target bo |
| 01:49.04 | Dewi | x |
| 01:49.16 | bcc | Dewi: can't mount. i'll have to pack it. |
| 01:49.17 | Dewi | ChompWizd: that's what I usually do |
| 01:49.21 | bcc | don't have a spare 40G on the desktop. |
| 01:49.25 | Dewi | bcc: mmm. |
| 01:49.33 | Dewi | bcc: I wonder if you can mount a tgz'd image |
| 01:49.35 | bcc | Dewi: i guess i'll have to do it twice and then check md5's |
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| 01:49.43 | ChompWizd | the laptop i was backing up was a p3/700 thinkpad A21m, so i didn't have the cpu for a ssh operation |
| 01:49.44 | Dewi | bcc: I wouldn't put it past linux to allow a read-only mount of that |
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| 01:49.57 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:49.58 | Dewi | bcc: yeah, if you've got time |
| 01:49.59 | bcc | Dewi: i'll try |
| 01:50.05 | seb- | how add TONS of apps onto minimal install instead of one app at a tIME? |
| 01:50.07 | Guerin | p3-700 is plenty for ssh |
| 01:50.07 | rutski89 | What's debian-non-us for ? |
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| 01:50.08 | bcc | Dewi: yeah, i wonder how much time it would take |
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| 01:50.22 | ChompWizd | Guerin: not at a decent wire speed, plus the laptop had a very slow hard drive in it |
| 01:50.25 | bcc | Dewi: maybe, i'll pack before sending and not on the receiving end |
| 01:50.29 | Dewi | Guerin: he's talking about piping whole disks through it |
| 01:50.32 | Guerin | seb-: aptitude install foo bar baz boof bonk |
| 01:50.45 | ChompWizd | it was going at about 4-5 meg per second if i remember right, so i got bored with that and did the netcat |
| 01:50.51 | bcc | like "dd if=...... | gzip -1 | nc ....." |
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| 01:51.10 | Dewi | Guerin: and to be honest, I've had a lot of horrible slowness with that myself... but I actually don't think it was ssh's fault, but rather something to do with buffering and tar/gz/ssh |
| 01:51.15 | bcc | that should help with the transfer speed. otherwise, i'll wait forever to send over 40G most of which are zeroes. |
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| 01:51.20 | seb- | Guerin: thanks,,,don't you get annoyed adding packages one a time to debian? how put GIGABYTES of apps at a time as if you had Debian isos? |
| 01:51.23 | Dewi | bcc: correct |
| 01:51.24 | Guerin | yeah ... rsyn would be the way to do that. |
| 01:51.33 | Guerin | seb-: wtf |
| 01:51.33 | shwag | what are VSZ and RSS in ps ? |
| 01:51.34 | Dewi | bcc: unfortunately I've had slowness that way too |
| 01:51.42 | Guerin | shwag: man ps |
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| 01:51.50 | Dewi | bcc: because in "some situations" gz interferes with smoothness of buffering or something along those lines |
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| 01:51.56 | seb- | Guerin: debian os has like 12 CDs i think...how add most of those on your pc? |
| 01:51.58 | Dewi | bcc: but you never know until you try. At least, I don't. :P |
| 01:52.08 | bcc | Dewi: yeah. |
| 01:52.13 | Hovis | Help Request: Trying to access windows shares on Debian Sarge (kernel 2.6.11.7, samba 3.0.14a-debian), using "mount -t smbfs //akane/q /mnt/akane/q" |
| 01:52.14 | seb- | Guerin: w/o buying them or downloading isos? |
| 01:52.23 | cievo | all...hello...did you know that cron doesn't give a shit about files with '_' char in /etc/cron.d directory?? |
| 01:52.25 | Dewi | seb-: you only need the first one |
| 01:52.34 | bcc | can gzip handle such large file? |
| 01:52.37 | Dewi | seb-: or even a 100mb image |
| 01:52.46 | Guerin | seb-: nobody ever does. |
| 01:52.49 | ChompWizd | can one still do a two floppy disk install on sarge like woody could? |
| 01:52.58 | Hovis | Anyone know what the error "missing data argument" means when trying to mount a windows share? |
| 01:52.59 | shwag | Guerin, already tried that. |
| 01:53.06 | ChompWizd | i used to do it on one floppy actually.. the boot image and then reuse the floppy for the root |
| 01:53.13 | Dewi | bcc: I don't think gzip thinks about files |
| 01:53.31 | Dewi | bcc: so unless there's a bug it shouldn't fail. :P |
| 01:53.33 | ChompWizd | gzip can handle it if it's LFS compatible, i think woody's was just fine |
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| 01:53.41 | ChompWizd | i remember running into problems with md5sum from potato |
| 01:53.42 | Dewi | bcc: that's easy to check on the other end though |
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| 01:53.50 | seb- | Guerin: Fedora install puts ZILLIONS of apps on your PC so new apps "just work"..wouldn't dat be nice? |
| 01:53.58 | Guerin | cievo: man 8 run-parts |
| 01:54.01 | Dewi | bcc: things like winrar and 7zip allow you to "test archive" |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | seb-: no |
| 01:54.12 | Dewi | seb-: no. |
| 01:54.13 | ChompWizd | you can test archives with gzip as well |
| 01:54.31 | seb- | Dewi: i hate tryin to run a new app only to find i need to apt-get something |
| 01:54.36 | cievo | Guerin: I'm gonna check... |
| 01:54.36 | Guerin | seb-: definitely not. |
| 01:54.40 | Azar | seb- when you install you only need CD #1 THATS IT. The rest of the installation, with zillions of packages install from the net |
| 01:54.41 | stew | Dewi: what does "test archive" do? |
| 01:54.46 | Dewi | seb-: from a security standpoint that is terrible, and it's pretty bad from a manageability and efficiency standpoint too. That said, there are meta packages |
| 01:54.59 | Dewi | stew: just tries to decompress into /dev/null basically :P so you'll see if there are errors |
| 01:55.00 | Guerin | seb-: but if you want, when you install, you can include all the tasks: desktop, webserver, workstation, game pc ... everything. |
| 01:55.15 | stew | Dewi: so any of them can do it |
| 01:55.35 | seb- | Dewi: meta-packages? where? tell me more plz! |
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| 01:55.41 | abrotman | tasksel |
| 01:55.47 | Dewi | seb-: there are packages that include other packages, called metapackages. And on the larger scale, there are "tasks". The task selector comes up during install or you can type "tasksel" as root later |
| 01:56.15 | Dewi | seb-: and like guerin says, if you were to select a bunch of these tasks, you'd get a *lot* of stuff |
| 01:56.34 | Dewi | much like fedora's spammy mess |
| 01:56.40 | seb- | Dewi: there was a list of tasks from my minimal install CD but it didn't seem to install much |
| 01:56.40 | Azar | seb- yep when you install select and get every single offering there |
| 01:57.03 | CompWizrd | i find the base install without running tasksel and dselect has too much stuff, let alone adding thousands of packages.. |
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| 01:57.19 | petemc | Dewi: arent tasks to be deprecated? |
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| 01:57.42 | cievo | Guerin: Thank you :) |
| 01:57.43 | Dewi | petemc: maybe. But I'm sure there will still be sufficiently big metapackages to get things like desktops |
| 01:57.44 | Lee__ | i'm in a game of pickle. I installed the x.org backports for sarge cause some stupid graphics driver said it was supported with 3d. It wasn't. now I can't get rid of it completely without downgrading each package manually. |
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| 01:57.59 | seb- | Azar: what is 'select'? |
| 01:57.59 | Dewi | petemc: I don't use tasksel anyway. |
| 01:58.09 | Lee__ | is there a single command that'll get rid of all the *-6.9.0.dfsg packages? |
| 01:58.09 | Azar | Dewi I would not like distribution that would automatically install stuff I might not want then spend time trying to remove them |
| 01:58.24 | stew | Lee__: purge x11-common |
| 01:58.26 | Dewi | Azar: yeah. I skip tasksel during install myself |
| 01:58.32 | Azar | seb- select means you pick, chose, mark items in a list you want to have |
| 01:58.36 | stew | petemc: dunno about tasksel, but the tasks in aptitude aren't going anywhere, i don't think |
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| 01:58.45 | Lee__ | stew: I tried that and it wants to remove /everything/ (mozilla, mplayer, etc, etc) |
| 01:58.57 | Dewi | seb-: if you really wanted "everything" it would probably be trivial to write a script to apt-get install everything |
| 01:59.01 | centrx | Lee__, they depend on X |
| 01:59.03 | Guerin | Lee__: wait a moment |
| 01:59.08 | Dewi | seb-: oh, except you'd get conflicting packages |
| 01:59.20 | Azar | seb- the installation is interactive with the user: it explains steps and asks the users" do you want this? or it offers a list from a user can pick items he wants installed |
| 01:59.23 | Dewi | seb-: for example you can't sensibly run 4 mail relay servers |
| 01:59.35 | seb- | Dewi: true |
| 01:59.35 | Lee__ | I don't mind breaking apt temporarily to get all the 4.3 packages back. |
| 01:59.50 | stew | Lee__: what about apt-get install xserver-xfree86 x11-common- |
| 02:00.00 | Lee__ | let's try |
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| 02:00.08 | Dewi | !gde |
| 02:00.25 | Dewi | hey, is there a list of metapackages? |
| 02:00.26 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching | awk '/6.9.0.dfsg/ {print $2}' |xargs sudo aptitude remove |
| 02:00.31 | stew | Lee__: for more complex stuff like this, using aptitude might be better |
| 02:00.31 | Guerin | Lee__: ^ |
| 02:00.32 | Lee__ | stew: "already the newest version" |
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| 02:00.38 | robin_z | meep? |
| 02:00.38 | Guerin | dpkg: shaddup |
| 02:00.38 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 02:00.39 | Lee__ | Guerin: neato... |
| 02:00.46 | LordFath | hi - can anyone explain how does language work in linux? is it possible to download a portuguese addon for DSL? |
| 02:00.53 | nvz | abrotman: a special terrible towel? wtf are you on? all terrible towels are special, and if they dont say Myron Cope its not a terrible towel. He invented it. |
| 02:00.54 | Guerin | Lee__: i once ran into more or less the same issue. |
| 02:00.59 | seb- | Dewi: type tasksel |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | LordFath: ask #damnsmalllinux |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | !dsl |
| 02:01.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 02:01.04 | moshii | LordFath: locales |
| 02:01.09 | stew | omg terrible towels |
| 02:01.10 | Guerin | LordFath: damnsmallinux? |
| 02:01.16 | LordFath | yes, |
| 02:01.17 | seb- | Dewi: is dat your list of tasks? |
| 02:01.21 | Dewi | seb-: those are only the really big meta packages. There are finer grained ones too |
| 02:01.30 | Dewi | seb-: at least I think there are |
| 02:01.57 | seb- | Dewi: even if you choose all those big meta packages i don't think you get nearly all the apps of debian |
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| 02:02.34 | Guerin | LordFath: #damnsmallinux. Debian supports portuguese already. |
| 02:02.53 | Lee__ | Guerin: damn, that's asking to do the same, remove everything that depends on X. I think the only way is to remove each manually with apt-get -f remove |
| 02:02.58 | LordFath | okey im asking them now - ill go from there - thanks |
| 02:03.03 | Guerin | seb-: no, and why would you want them all? |
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| 02:03.40 | stew | Nurbs: alioth is back |
| 02:03.47 | Guerin | Lee__: well ... you could exclude the common x packages which clients depend on |
| 02:03.48 | Nurbs | ty :) |
| 02:03.58 | Guerin | !dstats sarge |
| 02:04.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1469 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8872 MB compressed size. |
| 02:04.26 | Lee__ | yeah! 28 gig distro! |
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| 02:04.30 | Nurbs | stew: lists.alioth.debian.org doesn't seem to be back, mhm |
| 02:04.39 | teko80 | hi, is correct xlibs 6.8.2-10 substitutes xlib? if it is where are the header files of xlib. i can't find in /usr/include/X11. |
| 02:04.40 | Dewi | seb-: apt-get install doesn't take very long |
| 02:04.41 | robin_z | sigh .. is debian for windows XP available yet? |
| 02:05.00 | Dewi | seb-: if the debconf prompts bother you, you can raise your automation preference |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | !tell robin_z about colinux |
| 02:05.25 | Dewi | seb-: but purely from a management standpoint, it's kind of a bad idea to install literally thousands of things you don't use |
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| 02:05.34 | stew | Nurbs: ok, i pinged someone about it |
| 02:05.37 | Guerin | seb-: i don't care what you think, you neither need nor want 15660 packages totalling 28GB installled |
| 02:05.41 | Dewi | seb-: you're likely to run into more bugs than you would otherwise |
| 02:05.48 | Dewi | seb-: not to mention security problems |
| 02:05.50 | Guerin | seb-: or, if you do, you should go install windows vista |
| 02:06.03 | Guerin | robin_z: check back in 1943 |
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| 02:06.24 | Guerin | teko80: you want -dev |
| 02:06.44 | Guerin | oh, and all this chitter-chatter about debian size reminds me of something |
| 02:06.48 | kelan | anyone ever used lvm's pvresize to shrink a physical volume? is there some trick to it? |
| 02:06.52 | robin_z | abrotman: !meep! ... just when I thought I had a suitably crazy tag-line someone goes and actually implements it !! |
| 02:06.52 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 02:06.52 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 02:06.56 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | robin_z: sorry to wreck your day |
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| 02:07.16 | Azar | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA |
| 02:07.25 | ClayG | whats a good tabbed terminal that is stable when "screening"? |
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| 02:07.40 | abrotman | wtf would you want a tabbed terminal in screen? |
| 02:07.49 | stouset | What's the easiest way to setup bandwidth throttling by port on a router? |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | stouset: is it a client .. or server? |
| 02:08.07 | stouset | I want to set it up so HTTP downloads can't use up more than 75% of my total bandwidth... |
| 02:08.13 | Dewi | ClayG: as far as I know... all the usual ones |
| 02:08.17 | stouset | abrotman: Clients on my side. |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | stouset: like wget ? |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | !info trickle sarge |
| 02:08.43 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 02:08.44 | abrotman | stouset: but i'm not sure that's really what you want |
| 02:08.46 | Lee__ | apt-get install xfree86-common=4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 02:08.46 | stouset | abrotman: Aye, something like that. Only, I don't want to set up proxying atm |
| 02:08.58 | Lee__ | seems to do something along the lines of what I'm looking for |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | it's not a proxy |
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| 02:09.26 | Lee__ | ClayG: mrxvt |
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| 02:09.52 | Dewi | abrotman: could it really be in user space without being a proxy? |
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| 02:10.31 | stouset | abrotman: Hm, let me take a look. Is it in Sarge? |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | stouset: so says dpkg |
| 02:10.51 | stouset | abrotman: Great. |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | Dewi: yes .. i suppose .. |
| 02:10.57 | stouset | abrotman: Why aren't you sure that's what I really want? |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | Dewi: read about netbrake |
| 02:11.13 | abrotman | stouset: because i think it works by bit rate per app |
| 02:11.21 | kiswanto | #flood |
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| 02:11.37 | ClayG | thanks |
| 02:11.41 | ClayG | Lee__, |
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| 02:12.28 | aredhel | Dewi, it's a dynamic library that overrides socket calls |
| 02:12.42 | Dewi | abrotman: trickle seems to take a "command". I guess it pretends to be the sockets API? |
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| 02:13.25 | Dewi | that's quite a cool approach |
| 02:13.34 | ClayG | oh, hell yeah. thanks alot Lee |
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| 02:13.58 | abrotman | Dewi: read the source! |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | Dewi: try reading about netbrake . if you can still find it |
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| 02:15.58 | LordFath | suppose the distro you install is english only - is it possible to turn it into another language? |
| 02:16.07 | moshii | LordFath: yes |
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| 02:16.15 | Cyorxamp | when playing 3D games my mouse input is laggy (especially the higher the resolution you go) anyone know why!?!!? (p.s. the ati drivers are on and graphically it looks cool) |
| 02:16.26 | Azar | LordFath: first thing when you install is asking you to chose language |
| 02:16.30 | Lee__ | alright...so once I get all the x.org stuff downgraded, how to I get rid of all that information in dpkg's cache? I already removed the apt repo from sources.list and updated. |
| 02:16.37 | abrotman | LordFath: if you ask #damnsmalllinux !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | !d-i LordFath |
| 02:16.44 | dpkg | LordFath, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:16.45 | LordFath | moshii: yes, they do not know |
| 02:16.52 | LordFath | hah |
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| 02:16.54 | Lee__ | I don't care that xserver-xorg has been removed and neither should dpkg! |
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| 02:16.58 | abrotman | Garda: #ubuntu |
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| 02:17.27 | LordFath | dpkg: thanks |
| 02:17.27 | dpkg | sure thing, LordFath |
| 02:17.46 | nvz | Cyorxamp: onboard video? |
| 02:17.56 | Cyorxamp | nvz, nope |
| 02:17.58 | moshii | LordFath: dsl is just a compressed image of a debian system... so if you know how to do it on debian you should be able to rebuild dsl with what you want |
| 02:18.04 | Garda | abrotman: nah, i didn't come here for ubuntu, i'm just using the liveCD for the moment |
| 02:18.05 | Cyorxamp | nvz, ATI Radeon 9500 Pro |
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| 02:18.32 | nvz | Cyorxamp: so its got its own GPU and RAM, then there is really no reason for it as far as I can see |
| 02:18.37 | stouset | abrotman: Thanks for pointing me in a direction |
| 02:18.38 | Cyorxamp | yup |
| 02:18.40 | LordFath | ok - I got it now |
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| 02:19.06 | abrotman | stouset: ? |
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| 02:19.56 | Garda | has anyone here read the book, secure architectures with openbsd. it's really good. i want to find a simular one for linux |
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| 02:20.21 | Lee__ | I noticed if I ask apt-cache about an xorg package, one of the lines is Source: xorg-x11. Can I sort on that? |
| 02:20.22 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 02:20.23 | dpkg | methinks securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 02:20.27 | XYZZZ | I have an idea |
| 02:20.38 | Garda | all i can find basically is n00b books like linux for dummies |
| 02:20.38 | XYZZZ | A way to help Linux. |
| 02:20.43 | XYZZZ | A real way to help it. |
| 02:20.45 | LordFath | moshii: another thing that would make me proud of... If I happen to be able to make a portuguese version of DSL, where do I share it so others can use? |
| 02:20.52 | Dewi | Garda: securing debian seems pretty good |
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| 02:21.08 | XYZZZ | With Apple dropping the PPC, why doesn't some company, like YDL, for instance, start making cheap PPC workstations. |
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| 02:21.22 | abrotman | because PPC isn't cheap duh ... |
| 02:21.22 | Dewi | LordFath: whereever you like, I'd say. |
| 02:21.26 | XYZZZ | if they could tailor a good distro to them and make them cheap enough, they would have a huge customer base |
| 02:21.28 | moshii | XYZZZ: Google Genesi |
| 02:21.30 | Azar | XYZZZ: you are late: Red Hat does it now |
| 02:21.45 | XYZZZ | I'm talking about something more like the Amiga. |
| 02:21.50 | moshii | XYZZZ: or Eyetech .. both have Mini ATX PPC boards in production |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | XYZZZ: you mean ... like Debian for PPC ? |
| 02:21.53 | XYZZZ | Maybe, you guys are right |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | i mean . holy crap .. Debian on PPC .. whoda thunkit |
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| 02:22.12 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:22.14 | Lee__ | Linux on a Mac!?! what's next? |
| 02:22.17 | XYZZZ | No, no, no. |
| 02:22.23 | Nurbs | WW3! |
| 02:22.23 | XYZZZ | More of a lifestyle |
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| 02:22.25 | moshii | Lee__: linux on a ppc amiga |
| 02:22.36 | XYZZZ | I think it would be the next Apple, really. |
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| 02:22.42 | XYZZZ | You'd have to be smart about it, though |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | oh .. i know .. let's spend way too much money on crappy hardware .. yay |
| 02:22.51 | Lee__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.55 | XYZZZ | No, $300 systems |
| 02:22.56 | Azar | :) |
| 02:23.03 | Dewi | XYZZZ: then it would be nothing like apple |
| 02:23.16 | Cyorxamp | nvz, any ideas? |
| 02:23.16 | XYZZZ | I might not be explaining this right. |
| 02:23.17 | Lee__ | downgrading X is more fun than this conversation |
| 02:23.24 | Dewi | also you'd need a crazy guy like steve jobs |
| 02:23.25 | Azar | hey Id like an Mac on CLI |
| 02:23.25 | CompWizrd | in the days of $249 dells, a $300 ppc doesn't sound all that much better |
| 02:23.45 | XYZZZ | Again, it needs to be marketed as a lifestyle |
| 02:23.51 | moshii | XYZZZ: PPC is dead, X86 is too fast and too cheap .. the only thing that would have a chance would be tiny ARM or Mips machines |
| 02:23.59 | XYZZZ | It would need something to motivate it, something very different about the OS |
| 02:24.07 | XYZZZ | A new way of doing GUIs, for instance |
| 02:24.19 | XYZZZ | And, as someone said, an egomaniac for a leader |
| 02:24.21 | Dewi | XYZZZ: why would you do that on PPC? |
| 02:24.22 | quitte | XYZZZ: like a mouse without buttons? |
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| 02:24.31 | XYZZZ | Just to make it different |
| 02:24.43 | XYZZZ | A lot of zealots crave diversity and not specs. |
| 02:24.53 | Teltariat | Diversity can be a good thing. |
| 02:24.54 | XYZZZ | Look at the Amiga people, for instance |
| 02:25.05 | nvz | Cyorxamp: nope something must be buggy. a driver, xserver, kernel, 3d application.. you are going to have to narrow it down more. |
| 02:25.07 | Teltariat | It its enough for their needs, leave them be. :) |
| 02:25.11 | Azar | you know, a "real" invention would be typing on the screen with your eyes.. sticking your toughts on the screen just looking at it |
| 02:25.18 | moshii | XYZZZ: You want MorphOS then? |
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| 02:25.36 | nvz | Cyorxamp: you could drop into a console and cat the mouse device to see if the input is really lagging or if its just the game not polling the interface fast enough |
| 02:25.38 | Dewi | XYZZZ: all you need now is the actual idea. |
| 02:25.40 | Lee__ | Cyorxamp: I have the same video card and I have it running with cedega. I missed your problem. what was it? |
| 02:25.40 | XYZZZ | Take something like MorphOS and throw some unique piece of hardware to it |
| 02:25.42 | CompWizrd | i'd like a 100 dollar tablet pc that can run a vnc or x session off my main server |
| 02:25.43 | Azar | "sticky thoughts instead of sticky notes' |
| 02:25.43 | Guerin | Azar: that would be dangerous |
| 02:25.53 | stouset | abrotman: Yeah, trickle doesn't do what I'm looking for. Need to enforce it at the router, not application |
| 02:25.54 | XYZZZ | Indeed, Dewi, indeed |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | stouset: yeah ... you're kind of screwed |
| 02:26.04 | Azar | Guerin, you are right "be afraid of your wishes: they might come true" |
| 02:26.07 | Dewi | Azar, I am already using this technology, and furthermore, I secretly hate you. |
| 02:26.08 | moshii | XYZZZ: Like that tiny Efika board? Cool but still going no where |
| 02:26.13 | stouset | abrotman: There's got to be a way though, isn't there? |
| 02:26.28 | XYZZZ | moshii, you think I'm onto something, too? |
| 02:26.32 | Cyorxamp | nvz, well in normal desktop use it is fine |
| 02:26.33 | Azar | Dewi: damn I am late again |
| 02:26.36 | moshii | XYZZZ: not at all |
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| 02:26.38 | Cyorxamp | Lee__, can I pm instead? |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | stouset: sure .. but it's not fun :) |
| 02:26.49 | moshii | XYZZZ: you can't sell stuff no one wants.. |
| 02:26.55 | Lee__ | Cyorxamp: sure, but I have no X and I'm not too good with bitchx :) |
| 02:27.05 | XYZZZ | Perhaps, I'm getting at the point that I'm using a 1.8GHz G5, 2GB of Ram, and over 500GB of HD space, and I've lost that loving feeling for Apple |
| 02:27.11 | Azar | moshii why not, m$ is doing it for long time successfully |
| 02:27.19 | XYZZZ | I really can't get behind a company that spouts all this talk and has a product like the iPod. |
| 02:27.26 | XYZZZ | I look at Linux and see a lot of potential. |
| 02:27.30 | Lee__ | XYZZZ get over it |
| 02:27.31 | XYZZZ | It just needs the X factor |
| 02:27.48 | nvz | Cyorxamp: yeah well that has absolutly nothing to do with this situation what so ever. This is an issue about 3d games.. so what happens when you are not playing 3d games is irrelevant |
| 02:27.51 | Lee__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.54 | Azar | XYZZZ: an advice: keep this a secret and file for a patent |
| 02:28.01 | moshii | Azar: actually Microsoft sell exactly what most people want |
| 02:28.16 | kelan | anyone ever used lvm's pvresize to shrink a physical volume in lvm? is there some trick to it? |
| 02:28.23 | XYZZZ | I'm not a newbie. I've been using YDL for three or four years and FreeBSD before that for a long while. |
| 02:28.26 | stouset | abrotman: Oh :( |
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| 02:28.28 | Lee__ | Cyorxamp: getting the fglx drivers from ATI installed was simple with sarge and a repo. I'll PM it to you. |
| 02:28.30 | Cyorxamp | nvz, shh, you don't understand |
| 02:28.31 | nvz | Cyorxamp: now if the mouse input on the desktop was the normal _while_ playing a game that would be different as like I said it may be a bug in the game causing the input lag |
| 02:28.34 | XYZZZ | Want me to tell you what's wrong with MSOFT? |
| 02:28.38 | Cyorxamp | Lee__, I already have them! |
| 02:28.50 | Dewi | XYZZZ: let me guess... no X factor? |
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| 02:28.54 | Cyorxamp | nvz, continue to shh |
| 02:29.03 | kelan | or anyone ever used `parted` to shrink an lvm partition? |
| 02:29.06 | Lee__ | X-Treme factor!!! |
| 02:29.09 | XYZZZ | A terrible public speaker. Even Scott of Sun would be a lot better for the company. |
| 02:29.11 | Azar | moshii: don't you think the price of Windows is the software, no it is the payment for years of indoctrination of the people: tell them you want that everyday, pay others brag about and you get a success sale |
| 02:29.14 | XYZZZ | Images sell lifestyles. |
| 02:29.22 | XYZZZ | I'm talking about much more than simple OS or piece of hardware. |
| 02:29.22 | Dewi | XYZZZ: MS isn't selling lifestyles |
| 02:29.24 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:29.29 | Dewi | XYZZZ: they're selling mainstream |
| 02:29.31 | XYZZZ | I'm talking about what sells Apple |
| 02:29.34 | Lee__ | seriously. is it banning time yet? |
| 02:29.36 | XYZZZ | Dewi, that's my point. |
| 02:29.40 | Dewi | XYZZZ: MS is nothing like apple |
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| 02:29.42 | Guerin | Lee__: almost. |
| 02:29.44 | Dewi | XYZZZ: why would it want to be? |
| 02:29.47 | XYZZZ | I'm well aware |
| 02:29.48 | nvz | Cyorxamp: It is you who doesnt understand.. you have no idea if the mouse is being read at a normal rate or not you just know the cursor which has absolutly nothing at all to do with the hardware or the drivers is slowing |
| 02:29.55 | Guerin | XYZZZ: this is so far offtopic it's stopped even being silly. |
| 02:30.03 | XYZZZ | OK, I'll stop |
| 02:30.04 | Cyorxamp | nvz - be quiet |
| 02:30.04 | Guerin | take it to #whogivesafuck |
| 02:30.10 | XYZZZ | Just wanted to talk some stuff over. |
| 02:30.17 | XYZZZ | Nevermind and sorry for ruining everyone's night |
| 02:30.28 | Lee__ | XYZZZ: talk it over at your local LUG |
| 02:30.36 | Dewi | Guerin: you're no fun anymore |
| 02:30.36 | Lee__ | this is a tech support channel |
| 02:30.52 | Guerin | Dewi: i'm more fun than ever. |
| 02:31.13 | XYZZZ | Good advice. I might take it over to them. |
| 02:31.16 | Azar | Guerin: < Lee__> this is a tech support channel |
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| 02:31.21 | Azar | back to the work |
| 02:31.30 | Dewi | Guerin: thanks for pointing me in the direction of that excellent channel |
| 02:31.34 | Cyorxamp | Lee__, you get my PM? |
| 02:31.34 | XYZZZ | Did anyone even remotely enjoy my thought? |
| 02:31.40 | XYZZZ | Or, was it pure stupidity? |
| 02:31.44 | Guerin | Dewi: you're more than welcome. |
| 02:31.53 | Azar | XYZZZ: do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:31.55 | Lee__ | Cyorxamp: I guess not. I'm no good with bitchx. |
| 02:31.56 | Guerin | XYZZZ: This is not the validation you're looking for. |
| 02:32.03 | Guerin | </mindtrick> |
| 02:32.09 | moshii | Azar: People want to run applications that everyone else does and the want to be able to do it while they are totally off their face. Hence they want windows |
| 02:32.11 | nvz | Lee__: save yourself the aggrivation use irssi-text |
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| 02:32.19 | Azar | XYZZZ: #debian for people wanting to discuss debian |
| 02:32.20 | XYZZZ | lol, no, I have Debian on a partition. |
| 02:32.26 | Cyorxamp | Lee__, well whatcha wanna know? |
| 02:32.39 | Azar | XYZZZ: so then sit and watch us ok? |
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| 02:32.50 | Teltariat | I have Debian in a Xen guest. |
| 02:32.53 | Teltariat | :p |
| 02:33.02 | urz | wine is complaining of missing dlls. Can anybody help me? it says mfc42.dll is not found |
| 02:33.06 | XYZZZ | OK. I should try putting it onto my Xbox. |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | #winehq |
| 02:33.11 | Guerin | urz: #winehq |
| 02:33.15 | urz | thanks |
| 02:33.17 | XYZZZ | Or, just play another game of H2 |
| 02:33.32 | Dewi | games with hydrogen are fun |
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| 02:33.42 | XYZZZ | lol |
| 02:33.46 | nvz | !info hydrogen |
| 02:34.25 | Guerin | or you could just go stand on your head and do more bong hits, like you clearly were about 20 minutes ago |
| 02:34.30 | Dewi | Guerin: now the channel has gone all quiet |
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| 02:34.44 | Cyorxamp | when playing 3D games my mouse input is laggy (especially the higher the resolution you go) anyone know why!?!!? (p.s. the ati drivers are on and graphically it looks cool) |
| 02:34.44 | Dewi | Guerin: pretty soon I might have to do something useful |
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| 02:34.48 | Azar | Dewi: hel 0 discuss... |
| 02:34.51 | XYZZZ | i'm a big time tobacco smoker |
| 02:34.59 | XYZZZ | pipes and cigars, though cigars are my main vice |
| 02:35.51 | dpkg | hydrogen: (Simple drum machine/step sequencer), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.2final-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3246 kB, Installed size: 8880 kB |
| 02:36.03 | Azar | well I would go read the article about new GNU discussion at Debian |
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| 02:36.39 | bcc | does by default dd move data one byte at a time? |
| 02:36.54 | Dewi | bcc: I think you can specify |
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| 02:37.02 | gavin | bcc: the default block size is 512k |
| 02:37.05 | Guerin | Dewi: he asked about the default |
| 02:37.09 | bcc | Dewi: i know, but what's the default value |
| 02:37.20 | Azar | this ProShield is a bit strange: it allways finds my system clock out of sync.. |
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| 02:37.23 | XYZZZ | This is funny and know it's not my opinon |
| 02:37.23 | Lee__ | Cyorxamp: try a lower resolution. I can't run cedega in fs mode without everything breaking terribly. |
| 02:37.24 | XYZZZ | http://homepage.tinet.ie/~cullenm/2dart/regi.jpg |
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| 02:37.44 | Guerin | Azar: how many times have I told you that proshield is a WOFT? |
| 02:38.01 | Azar | Guerin, I appreciate your opinion, could you tell me why? |
| 02:38.28 | Guerin | Azar: it prevents you from learning how to correctly configure and secure your machine. |
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| 02:38.38 | Dewi | Guerin: a Word of Faith Tabernacle? |
| 02:38.38 | Cyorxamp | Lee__, thats not much help |
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| 02:38.56 | Guerin | it's sort of like relying on one o' them auto-door-locker things, instead of just shooting a deadbolt home |
| 02:39.02 | Azar | Guerin, I admit I am a newbie, and struggling to learn at least iptables so far I did not accomplished this task |
| 02:39.18 | Guerin | Dewi: who is this Faith Tabernacle? |
| 02:39.23 | Guerin | well |
| 02:39.28 | Dewi | Guerin: that was me googling for WOFT :P |
| 02:39.32 | Azar | I did not know how to stop root logins over ssh so I got this program |
| 02:39.33 | Guerin | !woft |
| 02:39.33 | dpkg | i guess woft is Waste of Fucking Time |
| 02:39.43 | Guerin | Azar: man sshd_config |
| 02:39.47 | XYZZZ | not nice language |
| 02:39.51 | Dewi | aww... dpkg, you are so much better than google |
| 02:39.57 | Azar | Guerin, ok going to do that right now |
| 02:40.09 | Guerin | Azar: but I believe I've also explained to you why forbidding root over ssh is not much more thann peace of mind |
| 02:40.41 | XYZZZ | Is anyone a programer by proffesion? |
| 02:40.54 | Dewi | XYZZZ: no, programmers only ever do so for love |
| 02:40.56 | Lee__ | Cyorxamp: have you tried it? |
| 02:40.57 | Azar | Guerin yes but I did not know how to do it myself |
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| 02:41.13 | Azar | Guerin I also cannot understand how to create backups |
| 02:41.16 | Azar | sigh |
| 02:41.19 | Lee__ | XYZZZ: yeah, I don't know any programmers who don't program for love. |
| 02:41.22 | Guerin | XYZZZ: there are several hundred million, I think |
| 02:41.24 | Azar | I will learn with time |
| 02:41.35 | Lee__ | I think India programs by profession. USA too. |
| 02:41.37 | Guerin | Azar: apt-get install rsnapshot |
| 02:41.38 | XYZZZ | anyone in this channgel? |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | dude .. just ask .. stop being a pain |
| 02:41.50 | Azar | k thanks Guerin |
| 02:42.11 | Guerin | XYZZZ: 700 or so people in here. |
| 02:42.18 | Lee__ | XYZZZ: dude. you SERIOUSLY need to join your local Linux User Group and chat with them. |
| 02:42.33 | Dewi | XYZZZ: are we not a local linux user group? |
| 02:42.34 | Guerin | or do more of those headstand bonghits I was talking about |
| 02:42.52 | Lee__ | headstand bonghits!!!! |
| 02:43.13 | XYZZZ | I'm making conversation |
| 02:43.19 | Azar | ok newbie question of 100 points now: Guerin what is rsnapshot ? |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | wrong place for that |
| 02:43.25 | XYZZZ | You'll see more of me as ime moves on |
| 02:43.33 | Guerin | Azar: apt-cache show rsnapshot |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | XYZZZ: try #hottub |
| 02:43.35 | Lee__ | XYZZZ: LUG...LUG...LUG... |
| 02:43.54 | Lee__ | oh yea, there's this thing called email too. it's, like non-realtime. |
| 02:44.10 | XYZZZ | what is the typical LUG like? |
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| 02:44.13 | XYZZZ | We have a few around here |
| 02:44.14 | hatake_kakashi | and there is mailing list :) |
| 02:44.15 | Lee__ | arghhhh!?!?! |
| 02:44.18 | Dewi | Lee__: my LUG is the only place in the world with less of a sense of humour than #debian. It's a truly scary place. |
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| 02:44.35 | Lee__ | yeah, I know but still. at least you can chat over beers. |
| 02:44.41 | Dewi | Lee__: plus some of them insist on running red hat. |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | i'm going to have to drive to MD and kill someone tonight |
| 02:44.49 | Lee__ | I must say, the BSD group in NYC is much more fun. |
| 02:44.50 | Dewi | Lee__: true, #debian has way too little beer |
| 02:45.00 | Dewi | Lee__: and whenever I try mixing #debian and beer, bad things happen |
| 02:45.04 | XYZZZ | I prefer Jim Beam |
| 02:45.07 | XYZZZ | To each their own |
| 02:45.15 | XYZZZ | Nothing beats a fine cigar and a nice beam on the rocks |
| 02:45.26 | Lee__ | !jim beam |
| 02:45.35 | Lee__ | sorry |
| 02:45.40 | Dewi | XYZZZ: you need to water down some of the phallic imagery |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | XYZZZ: do you hvae any questions related to debian? |
| 02:45.43 | reekon | molson canadian :) |
| 02:45.48 | Guerin | XYZZZ: there is not typical lug |
| 02:46.41 | Dewi | To anybody who has not had their Debian question answered: absolutely nobody is going to mind your question, no matter how stupid, at this point |
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| 02:46.44 | Lee__ | XYZZZ: lug is a /local/ thing. it depends on who is part of it. |
| 02:46.46 | Dewi | ask, swiftly! :P |
| 02:47.05 | Lee__ | Dewi: is that a dare? |
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| 02:47.37 | Dewi | Lee__: I'm not sure. Perhaps I should stop wasting time and go and attempt this reinstall I've been meaning to do |
| 02:47.39 | Guerin | abrotman: go with my blessing. |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 02:48.13 | reekon | anyone currently using aqnything derived from debian? |
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| 02:48.22 | abrotman | they wouldn't be here if they were |
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| 02:48.30 | Lee__ | reekon++ |
| 02:48.31 | Dewi | reekon: my BLOOD is derived from debian |
| 02:48.32 | zignig | happy .au day! |
| 02:48.40 | XYZZZ | It's not nice to make fun of me |
| 02:48.42 | Dewi | reekon: I pipe it through a woody machine |
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| 02:48.58 | Dewi | reekon: sort of like water cooling, except it is the source of all my power |
| 02:49.14 | Guerin | isn't molson the canadian equivalent of budweiser? |
| 02:49.16 | Dewi | zignig: hey! thanks! |
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| 02:49.34 | reekon | Guerin, there is no equivalent |
| 02:49.39 | Guerin | zignig: you mean 'kill the abos and steal their land, legally' day? |
| 02:49.40 | Dewi | zignig: this here's the wattle! the symbol of our land! you can stick it in a bottle, you can hold it in your hand! Amen! |
| 02:50.11 | Dewi | Guerin: nothing like that could ever have happened in the americas |
| 02:50.30 | zignig | Guerin: yep. |
| 02:50.45 | Deus2006 | plaese can enybody help me?how to make debian run i graphical mode not in text!can i make it something like windows desktop!? |
| 02:51.02 | Dewi | dpkg: tell Deus2006 about gnome |
| 02:51.10 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin: or killing the Indians and steal their land? |
| 02:51.24 | Lee__ | Deus2006: you'll miss your start button. |
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| 02:51.35 | zignig | Guerin: 'legally' is often who has the guns..... unfortunatly. |
| 02:51.50 | Dewi | hooray, politics |
| 02:51.52 | Lee__ | !tell Deus2006 about install x |
| 02:52.11 | Dewi | Lee__: heh. gnome is a total windows copycat anyway. |
| 02:52.11 | zignig | Dewi: not. |
| 02:52.18 | Dewi | Lee__: including the constant crashing |
| 02:52.30 | reekon | go icewm or go home |
| 02:52.45 | Lee__ | I like how it is user friendly. it is freinds with my users. |
| 02:53.17 | Lee__ | I'm still looking for a good pager for fluxbox |
| 02:53.18 | Dewi | Lee__: I like a GUI I feel comfortable smoking weed with |
| 02:53.21 | Lee__ | fbpager is lame |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | bbpager? |
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| 02:54.12 | Lee__ | abrotman: thanks. when I get X back I'll try it. |
| 02:54.38 | Deus2006 | can i conect to internet in graphical mode in debian? |
| 02:54.44 | Lee__ | arghhhh! |
| 02:54.50 | Dewi | Deus2006: yes |
| 02:54.51 | Deus2006 | sorry |
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| 02:54.57 | Deus2006 | how |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | Lee__: i was kidding |
| 02:55.09 | Lee__ | no |
| 02:55.10 | Deus2006 | i dont know how to install gnome or where to find it |
| 02:55.22 | Lee__ | Deus2006: you can't. |
| 02:55.22 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system-core |
| 02:55.25 | Dewi | dpkg: tell Deus2006 about gnome, again |
| 02:55.30 | Lee__ | !tell Deus2006 about gnome |
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| 02:56.09 | Lee__ | abrotman: damn. so what's the pager? one that like, doesn't crash. |
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| 02:56.27 | Dewi | 12:53:22 < abrotman> bbpager? |
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| 02:56.42 | astronut | what's a good way to do basic voice chats, linux <--> windows? |
| 02:56.49 | Dewi | astronut: IRC |
| 02:56.52 | astronut | any particular program recommended? (not skype) |
| 02:56.52 | Dewi | astronut: you're doing it now |
| 02:56.52 | Lee__ | astronut: cell phone? |
| 02:56.57 | Dewi | astronut: oh, voice |
| 02:56.57 | astronut | Dewi: see "voice" |
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| 02:56.59 | zignig | astronut: linphone , kphone. |
| 02:57.00 | Dewi | astronut: um |
| 02:57.07 | Lee__ | asterisk + kiax |
| 02:57.10 | astronut | Lee__: voip, sorry |
| 02:57.13 | bucky | gnome meeting |
| 02:57.13 | astronut | asterisk? |
| 02:57.15 | astronut | you're kidding |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | Lee__: don't use fluxbox |
| 02:57.20 | metaperl | besides xmms, amarok, juk, noatun, what good ogg/mp3 player is there for Debian/testing? |
| 02:57.22 | astronut | bucky: does it interface into netmeeting? |
| 02:57.24 | Azar | Guerin, I am reading the manual I just wish to make sure if is correct to apply in Debian http://www.rsnapshot.org/howto/1.2/rsnapshot-HOWTO.en.html#configuration |
| 02:57.24 | Lee__ | no, I'm not. asterisk is a good pbx. |
| 02:57.26 | astronut | abrotman: what's wrong with flux? |
| 02:57.31 | bucky | astronut: afaik |
| 02:57.32 | astronut | Lee__: i don't want a pbx |
| 02:57.37 | Lee__ | abrotman: pshhhhhh! |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | astronut: apparently the pager crashes .. keep u |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | up |
| 02:57.42 | zignig | astronut: why not it's cool. |
| 02:57.57 | astronut | abrotman: it does? since when? |
| 02:57.58 | Lee__ | astronut: then you don't chat with voice. or user a cell phone. |
| 02:58.01 | astronut | zignig: overkill? |
| 02:58.04 | zignig | astronut: I run asterisk/openvpn tunnel to my mates. |
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| 02:58.21 | zignig | astronut: we have a phone network with voice mail and ivr , it rocks. |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | astronut: i don't fucking know .. ask the idiot that uses .. real men use blackbox :) |
| 02:58.28 | astronut | just want to talk with a friend (and maybe parents when i go to college) |
| 02:58.40 | astronut | abrotman: i've been a happy fluxbox user for a long time |
| 02:58.43 | abrotman | skype or gizmodo |
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| 02:58.46 | abrotman | astronut: i'm sorry |
| 02:58.47 | Lee__ | astronut: asterisk can help you with that. with a real phone too! |
| 02:58.54 | Lee__ | or a soft phone, etc, etc, etc. |
| 02:58.57 | astronut | Lee__: again, overkill and would require interface hardwar |
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| 02:59.01 | abrotman | !gizmodo |
| 02:59.02 | astronut | i used to use picophone |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 02:59.06 | astronut | in windows |
| 02:59.09 | abrotman | what's it called |
| 02:59.09 | astronut | but want a linux thing |
| 02:59.11 | astronut | prob just SIP |
| 02:59.21 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 02:59.21 | dpkg | somebody said gizmo was http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 02:59.22 | keherman | I run KDE, Gnome, XFCE, and Fluxbox on Xorg -- when can I put the command "xset b off" so that every lab user runs that on login? tried /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 02:59.26 | astronut | F/OSS w/ linux client would be nice |
| 02:59.32 | astronut | err, windows |
| 02:59.40 | astronut | Lee__: for? |
| 02:59.50 | Lee__ | give your mates a PBX and they will love you! |
| 02:59.52 | mboso | is there anyway to tell what font an Xterm is currently using? |
| 03:00.05 | useruser | mboso: control-right click |
| 03:00.39 | mboso | yeah, it just says "default" I want the actual string, or the alias |
| 03:00.43 | Azar | Guerin I blocked root login over ssh but I have a door to use just in case |
| 03:01.21 | astronut | Guerin: i used to block root, now i allow via key, but not pass |
| 03:01.42 | Coweater | mboso: check /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm |
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| 03:02.25 | Lee__ | now what file contains the program startx? That seemed to get lost in the downgrade from x.org. |
| 03:02.43 | astronut | xbase-clients |
| 03:02.46 | Lee__ | thanks |
| 03:03.07 | XYZZZ | Onto the next cigar |
| 03:03.10 | XYZZZ | Good stuff |
| 03:03.20 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:03.21 | llvllatrix | I've been trying to get hardware mixing setup in testing using Alsa; very little success. Does anyone know of any links that might be helpful? |
| 03:03.25 | Lee__ | yea! X is back...brb |
| 03:03.26 | mboso | Coweater: yeah, that was it. thanks. |
| 03:03.32 | reekon | inhale you pansy |
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| 03:06.05 | dvs | mfrisch: Find a UNIX job yet? |
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| 03:06.33 | mfrisch | dvs nope. going to make one up |
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| 03:07.30 | mfrisch | dvs: I can do a lot, just nobody else thinks so ;-) |
| 03:07.31 | ForrestF- | can some one give me a good line for sorouses.list (Missouri USA unstable ppc) |
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| 03:07.52 | XYZZZ | thanks for the warm welcome |
| 03:07.53 | dvs | mfrisch: Now THAT I can sympathise with. ;-) |
| 03:08.05 | XYZZZ | i know people think highly of me in this chat |
| 03:08.07 | XYZZZ | ;) |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | just above a dormouse |
| 03:08.29 | shwag | in iptables, whats the difference between a chain and a rule? |
| 03:08.33 | CompWizrd | dvs: try envelopeunderthemattress.com |
| 03:08.42 | zignig | dvs: banks in general are the biggest con. |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 03:08.46 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 03:08.51 | dvs | zignig: Damn right! |
| 03:08.52 | Azar | shwag: chain is the place where you create one or more rules |
| 03:09.00 | dvs | zignig: That and lawyers |
| 03:09.00 | zignig | dvs: if people actually knew how they worked, they would be appalled. |
| 03:09.11 | Dewi | Guerin: sigh. rsync/rsnapshot are all very nice... but could you recommend something that will work well in windows? (rsync only works via cygwin and has unicode issues) |
| 03:09.19 | zignig | dvs: _some_ lawyers are a good thing. |
| 03:09.25 | Dewi | Guerin: by "in windows" I mean "the target machine is running windows" |
| 03:09.25 | dvs | bah! |
| 03:09.38 | zignig | Dewi: bacula has a win/lin and mac client. |
| 03:09.46 | abrotman | amanda does too iirc |
| 03:09.54 | mfrisch | zignig: if they like you this week |
| 03:10.05 | Azar | shwag: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/iptables-HOWTO-6.html |
| 03:10.24 | zignig | mfrisch: i've not used they win client , but the lin/mac clients have worked flawless for me. |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | any site that uses a z instead of an s .. can't be good |
| 03:10.33 | zignig | mfrisch: and saved my bacon more than once. |
| 03:10.43 | Azar | abrotman, try it then slap me |
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| 03:10.50 | zignig | !slap Azar |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | Azar: why would i go there? |
| 03:11.03 | Azar | abrotman: is just a HOWTO |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | Azar: i'd start at netfilter.org .. or lartc.org .. or tldp.org |
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| 03:11.37 | Dewi | abrotman: linuxguruz has a high pagerank |
| 03:11.40 | Azar | abrotman, for the past 4 months I surfed several sites to find a comprehensive one for me... |
| 03:11.51 | Azar | this one is the neares for my understanding |
| 03:11.56 | Azar | nearest* |
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| 03:12.04 | abrotman | Dewi: and? |
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| 03:13.05 | abrotman | i would still like someone to explain how the tour de france starts in london |
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| 03:13.08 | mfrisch | shorewall's doc rule |
| 03:13.16 | keherman | How can i shut off the computer beeping from Gnome GUI? "xset b off" is not working from /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 03:13.17 | dvs | abrotman: chunnel time! |
| 03:13.39 | Azar | :) hahahaha surfboard over the sleeve canal? |
| 03:13.54 | abrotman | !bell |
| 03:13.55 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 03:14.03 | ForrestF- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.13 | abrotman | ForrestF-: apt-setup |
| 03:14.18 | abrotman | oh wait .. it's gone |
| 03:14.21 | Dewi | Azar: incidentally, that iptables HOWTO is a 3 year out of date version |
| 03:14.26 | Dewi | Azar: the original is here http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/packet-filtering-HOWTO.html |
| 03:14.28 | keherman | abrotman, yes but WHERE in X? |
| 03:14.37 | keherman | abrotman, i have it in Xsession! |
| 03:14.38 | Azar | Dewi, thanks a lot :) |
| 03:14.47 | abrotman | keherman: .xinitrc maybe ? |
| 03:14.49 | GuySoft | hello, is there anyone here that knows how to work with (software) raid patitions? |
| 03:14.58 | abrotman | Azar: SEE .. netfilter.org .. the real place to go! |
| 03:14.58 | keherman | abrotman, i want it to be global for every user |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | keherman: rip out the speaker |
| 03:15.11 | keherman | abrotman, lol -- im about to! |
| 03:15.17 | abrotman | i'm not joking :) |
| 03:15.32 | GuySoft | ... i kinda have a problem setting up a RAID 1 array.. |
| 03:15.34 | keherman | abrotman, why cant thefscking software prevent it form beeping!??! |
| 03:15.37 | abrotman | keherman: lsmod | grep pc |
| 03:15.48 | dvs | keherman: Unload that module |
| 03:15.55 | abrotman | keherman: you might be able to `modprobe -r pcspkr` or whatever it is |
| 03:16.01 | Azar | yep thanks guys :) |
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| 03:16.16 | keherman | abrotman, oh pcspkr!!! |
| 03:16.20 | GuySoft | anybody? a cry for help? |
| 03:16.23 | keherman | abrotman, you're a genius!!!! |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | keherman: that's what they say ... |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | !beer dvs |
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| 03:16.57 | abrotman | keherman: enjoy |
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| 03:17.13 | abrotman | keherman: btw .. you might want |
| 03:17.15 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 03:17.15 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 03:17.34 | keherman | abrotman, but how do i tell the kernel not to load the module on boot? |
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| 03:17.42 | abrotman | keherman: see the blacklist thing? :) |
| 03:17.50 | keherman | blacklist? |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | !tell keherman about blacklist |
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| 03:19.00 | Azar | hmm Dewi it does not matter that the tutorial was written for a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 03:19.53 | zignig | Azar: nope iptables is pretty much the same. |
| 03:19.53 | Azar | well I guess iptables did not changed from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 03:20.00 | Azar | cool |
| 03:20.07 | zignig | Azar: what kind of firewall do you want ? |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | just stay away from the ipchains tutorials :) |
| 03:20.16 | Azar | zignig: just iptables |
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| 03:20.28 | zignig | Azar: most people don't really need anything that complicated. |
| 03:20.36 | mfrisch | Azar: use shorewall |
| 03:20.46 | Azar | zignig: I have shorewall, too complicated for me |
| 03:21.03 | Azar | I read the howto and got dizzy, could not understand anything there |
| 03:21.11 | reekon | Azar, try firestarter. apt-get install firestarter |
| 03:21.19 | Azar | iptables is more clearly explained for my newbiness |
| 03:21.21 | mfrisch | reekon: yup |
| 03:21.30 | Azar | reekon ok |
| 03:21.34 | Guerin | thhe thing about iptables is that it's just a shell script using essentially one command |
| 03:21.50 | Azar | Guerin that why I understand it better |
| 03:22.10 | zignig | Azar: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/A_basic_firewall_configuration_suitable_for_a_gateway/nat |
| 03:22.23 | zignig | Azar: basic and easy to understand. |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | i realized the other day that the readme in the doc dir lists about two dozen frontend thingies for iptables |
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| 03:22.33 | Azar | zignig: I am not having a network.... just a simple standalone PC |
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| 03:23.12 | zignig | Azar: just take out the nat rules and the internal interface then. |
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| 03:23.27 | ipso | I tried to use dpkg to install a package, which failed due to dependancies, but now when I run apt-get it says I have unmet dependancies... How can that be when the original package didn't even install? |
| 03:24.01 | Azar | ok thanks :) |
| 03:24.17 | Dewi | Azar: rusty, who wrote that HOWTO, wrote iptables and netfilter.org is the project's home on the web. So the 2.4/2.6 thing should not be an issue. |
| 03:24.28 | Dewi | Azar: well he started iptables anyway |
| 03:24.37 | reekon | can't wow first name basis |
| 03:24.47 | reekon | wow. |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | ipso: apt-get -f install |
| 03:25.18 | Azar | Dewi, I really like the way he wrote that... really clear and easy for a newbie |
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| 03:25.26 | ipso | abrotman: I tried that, but then it wants to install new kernel's and all kinds of other stuff... I did a apt-get remove and it seemed to clean things up |
| 03:25.30 | ipso | weird. |
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| 03:26.23 | abrotman | ipso: no . that makes sense |
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| 03:26.45 | ipso | abrotman: not really, since when did dpkg -r <package> it says its not installed |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | ipso: yes .. but it was set to be installed |
| 03:27.02 | ipso | yet: apt-get remove <package> uninstalled it... |
| 03:27.07 | ipso | seems weird to me.. |
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| 03:30.33 | astronut | what port is H.323 on? |
| 03:30.39 | abrotman | odla: we need a nice detailed explaination of how a whale gets dehydrated |
| 03:30.49 | Guerin | Azar: http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
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| 03:31.04 | Guerin | Azar: that is my actual iptables script - that one text file is my firewall. |
| 03:31.04 | odla | abrotman: ah..when it gets beached? |
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| 03:31.12 | abrotman | no |
| 03:31.22 | wintalker | how to create a torrent file with bittornado? |
| 03:31.29 | Guerin | Azar: you can probably learn a lot from the comments |
| 03:31.29 | odla | wintalker: you can't |
| 03:31.36 | Guerin | wintalker: btmakemetafile |
| 03:31.42 | Guerin | odla: yes, you fucking can. |
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| 03:31.57 | litage | how does one use /msg dpkg to search for all available versions of a particular package? |
| 03:32.07 | odla | Guerin: really? some jerks told me do d/l azureus because you can't make a torrent file with bittornado |
| 03:32.15 | odla | the jerks weren't #d |
| 03:32.20 | Guerin | odla: they're fucktards, as most azureus users are. |
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| 03:32.34 | odla | Guerin: i figured you must be able to with bittornado |
| 03:32.47 | wintalker | Guerin, where i can find this soft? |
| 03:32.54 | Guerin | odla: bittornado is extensions on the original reference client. |
| 03:32.58 | Guerin | wintalker: in /usr/bin |
| 03:33.14 | wintalker | Guerin, thanks |
| 03:33.19 | Guerin | it stands to reason that the original reference client should be able to do everything, right? |
| 03:33.30 | odla | you'd think |
| 03:33.45 | odla | so btmakemetafile comes with bittornado? |
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| 03:34.30 | Guerin | /usr/bin/btmakemetafile.bittornado |
| 03:34.36 | Guerin | btmake<tab> |
| 03:34.55 | Azar | Guerin, thanks I feel so honored wow |
| 03:35.49 | Guerin | well |
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| 03:36.06 | Guerin | it's not really spoonfeeding, since your system is almost certainly differently configured to mine |
| 03:36.12 | keherman | abrotman, im in love with you -- that worked great!! |
| 03:36.15 | Guerin | and if you want to use that, you'll need to hack on it |
| 03:36.33 | Guerin | keherman: join the abrotman fanclub. Current membership: 0! |
| 03:36.37 | Azar | .. in any case, so many details.. that is outright spoonfeeding |
| 03:36.42 | abrotman | keherman: good for you |
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| 03:36.50 | abrotman | Guerin: my mom won't even join |
| 03:36.55 | zignig | Guerin: it's actually 3i |
| 03:37.06 | zignig | 3 imaginary friends. |
| 03:37.11 | zignig | abrotman: :P |
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| 03:37.31 | Azar | I was also thinking to start learning a bit of bash scripting so is a double treat |
| 03:37.53 | Guerin | zignig: what happens if abrotman's fan club membership of 3i suddenly quadruples? |
| 03:38.06 | abrotman | Guerin: i take more medication :) |
| 03:38.17 | abrotman | which .. at this point .. would be an increase from zero |
| 03:38.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:38.21 | zignig | Guerin: ph33r the abrotman ! |
| 03:39.13 | Guerin | Azar: i didn't write this, mind - i got most of it from jm_, who probably got it from somewhere else |
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| 03:39.39 | sunfish | can you run X on a headless server, with no GFX card, and forword it to another machine? |
| 03:39.56 | Guerin | sunfish: you can run x clients on a remote x server |
| 03:40.00 | Azar | Guerin is ok I really needed to look at some sample , for general idea |
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| 03:40.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:40.18 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:40.30 | Guerin | sunfish: so I can run firefox on a headless machine, and have it display on another machine with a video card and monitor |
| 03:40.31 | sunfish | right, but what if it has no gfx card, what does the processing? |
| 03:40.47 | abrotman | you're not displaying it on the server |
| 03:40.54 | nima | hahahaha, thats great, abrotman |
| 03:40.58 | Guerin | sunfish: none of the graphical processing is done by the host - it's all done by the computer running the x server |
| 03:41.05 | sunfish | i see |
| 03:41.12 | sunfish | thanks guerin |
| 03:41.25 | Azar | yep much nicer to have a scriptfile for it with comments than just plain settings.. |
| 03:41.27 | Dewi | abrotman: whoa |
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| 03:41.32 | abrotman | Dewi: ? |
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| 03:41.43 | Guerin | hm, think I'll go watch the ACN |
| 03:41.44 | Dewi | abrotman: apt/dpkg have always seemed erotic, but now... 10 times more so |
| 03:42.08 | Guerin | Dewi: dpkg and apt are the collective unconscious of #debian |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | Dewi: aptitude moo .. then -v then -vv then -vvv then -vvvv -vvvvv -vvvvvv etc |
| 03:42.14 | Guerin | Dewi: so that's hardly a surprise |
| 03:42.29 | Azar | thanks a lot everyone and have a good day :) |
| 03:43.38 | zignig | bleh! |
| 03:44.31 | keherman | is there any way to set the default application that opens a file type across all/most desktops? I got KDE, Gnome, and XFCE to deal with here :-( |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | depends on the type of application |
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| 03:46.13 | keherman | abrotman, well i want this software ins /usr/bin/stata to open a .dta file |
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| 03:46.37 | abrotman | wtf is stata ? |
| 03:46.46 | keherman | abrotman, in Gnome, i can right click the file and tell it what to do -- or set it prermanently for my user -- i need to do something like this for everyone |
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| 03:46.57 | keherman | abrotman, some statistical software -- not free |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:47.10 | keherman | :-) |
| 03:47.14 | Guerin | keherman: add it to global mime config |
| 03:47.40 | abrotman | see . now there can be a Guerin fan club |
| 03:47.58 | Guerin | might be /etc/mime.types or something |
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| 03:48.01 | keherman | lo,l but you didnt tell me where this file is located :-) |
| 03:48.06 | m0dY | sup all |
| 03:48.06 | Guerin | you should read up on it because I'm making things up now |
| 03:48.08 | keherman | lol -- you read my mind??!?! |
| 03:48.28 | m0dY | how do i know if my current ram chips is ECC ones or nop ??!!!! |
| 03:48.34 | Guerin | yes ... I must rest noww. My powers are drained, and only tea and football can replenish them. |
| 03:48.43 | keherman | Guerin.fanclub++ |
| 03:48.44 | abrotman | Guerin: steelers! |
| 03:49.00 | Guerin | abrotman: no, the proper football - the one played with feet |
| 03:49.20 | abrotman | Guerin: i keep forgetting us football players have wings |
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| 03:50.04 | Dewi | abrotman: are you suggesting that any sport involving players without wings should be known as "football"? |
| 03:50.26 | abrotman | Dewi: according to Guerin .. us football is played by people not using thier feet |
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| 03:53.42 | zignig | abrotman: they kick it from time to time. |
| 03:53.52 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:53.59 | zignig | abrotman: .uk football, you can't use your hands at all. |
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| 03:54.09 | zignig | abrotman: otherwise known as soccer. ;P |
| 03:54.14 | abrotman | zignig: i'm aware of the difference |
| 03:54.18 | Cyorxamp | when playing 3D games my mouse input is laggy (especially the higher the resolution you go) anyone know why!?!!? (p.s. the ati drivers are on and graphically it looks cool) |
| 03:54.31 | zignig | abrotman: oh good, how about .au football ? |
| 03:54.38 | loafy | awe i just realized there is no tunefs on debian... so no witty bug in the tunefs man page :( |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | rugby |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | loafy: tune2fs |
| 03:55.02 | zignig | abrotman: that's actually thugby |
| 03:55.05 | loafy | abrotman: doesn't fix the witty bug problem :( |
| 03:55.15 | abrotman | nfc what witty is |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | is witty a package? |
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| 03:55.48 | loafy | no |
| 03:55.52 | loafy | witty = funny |
| 03:56.00 | loafy | or is that whit |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 03:56.07 | ootput_ | wit |
| 03:56.17 | loafy | http://www.hmug.org/man/8/tunefs.php |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | man tune2fs .. i don't see a problem |
| 03:56.22 | loafy | look under bugs |
| 03:56.23 | loafy | sigh |
| 03:56.40 | Guerin | abrotman: i mean, the kind where you actually have to use your feet in the mornal course of the game |
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| 03:56.56 | ootput_ | Dance Dance Revolution? |
| 03:56.57 | Guerin | abrotman: running doesn't really count |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite Guerin |
| 03:57.22 | Guerin | abrotman: sutpuhu |
| 03:57.26 | loafy | you find it abrotman? |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:57.31 | abrotman | noe |
| 03:57.32 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:57.42 | abrotman | man tune2fs |
| 03:57.53 | loafy | i give up |
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| 03:58.59 | loafy | abrotman: in the tunefs man page, under bugs it says "You can tune a file system bug you can't tune a fish" |
| 03:59.11 | loafy | it's not in the tune2fs man page |
| 03:59.16 | loafy | and i was lamenting it's absence |
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| 03:59.17 | loafy | that's all |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | and what now? |
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| 04:00.12 | zignig | abrotman: beer! |
| 04:00.16 | loafy | mmm beer |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | !beer me |
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| 04:01.05 | loafy | heh, you know you're not drinking by yourself when you're on IRC :> |
| 04:01.28 | Cyorxamp | when playing 3D games my mouse input is laggy (especially the higher the resolution you go) anyone know why!?!!? (p.s. the ati drivers are on and graphically it looks cool) |
| 04:01.50 | stew | bye |
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| 04:03.40 | zignig | stew: adios |
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| 04:06.57 | m0dY | any help here ??!! |
| 04:07.39 | loafy | m0dY: you need to figure out if your ram is ECC or not? |
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| 04:08.49 | CompWizrd | memtest should tell, no/ |
| 04:08.55 | CompWizrd | or at least if it's in ecc mode |
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| 04:09.31 | ejofee | what is the html code to force any browser download a text file, rather than show it? what should the hyperlink look like? |
| 04:09.43 | loafy | CompWizrd: you didn't happen to hang out in #napster on efnet back in the day, did you? |
| 04:09.56 | CompWizrd | loafy: yes. |
| 04:10.05 | CompWizrd | same person |
| 04:10.14 | Dewi | ejofee: hmm |
| 04:10.15 | loafy | heh, cool. |
| 04:10.27 | CompWizrd | loafy: it's still alive, barely. |
| 04:10.27 | loafy | long time no see. |
| 04:10.38 | CompWizrd | but yeah, try memtest+ or something if you cna reboot the pc |
| 04:10.42 | m0dY | loafy: yeah |
| 04:10.50 | loafy | haha, yea... i've dropped by a few times, not much activity |
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| 04:10.55 | m0dY | memtest ?! |
| 04:10.56 | Dewi | ejofee: if your server serves the file itself as "application/octet-stream", then the browser shouldn't try to process the file |
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| 04:11.00 | Dewi | ejofee: and will just save it |
| 04:11.30 | CompWizrd | m0dY: www.memtest.org |
| 04:11.44 | Dewi | ejofee: aah. and you can hint that in the link markup |
| 04:11.49 | byteshack_home | I have a frozen tty. I can see from a different terminal that agetty is running on it. I kill agetty, but nothing happens on the terminal, it's still frozen. A new aggetty process comes up after I kill the current running one on that term |
| 04:11.58 | m0dY | apt-get it ? |
| 04:12.08 | ejofee | Dewi: how? |
| 04:12.18 | ejofee | Dewi: how do i hint it? |
| 04:12.32 | Dewi | ejofee: try <a href="file.txt" type="application/octet-stream">text</a> |
| 04:12.34 | byteshack_home | The term still shows me working in vim, but I have zero control. (I was working in it when the term froze up) |
| 04:12.36 | loafy | ejofee: or text/plain |
| 04:12.52 | Dewi | loafy: the browser will try to display text/plain |
| 04:12.55 | wintalker | is there a english-english dictionary? |
| 04:13.23 | loafy | Dewi: oh, i thought he just didn't want it rendered |
| 04:13.24 | m0dY | got it installed now :) |
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| 04:13.30 | m0dY | checking the man pages |
| 04:13.33 | ejofee | Dewi, loafy: thanks |
| 04:13.34 | byteshack_home | Is there a way I can reset the term, other than restarting agetty? |
| 04:13.41 | Dewi | ejofee: success? |
| 04:13.53 | ejofee | Dewi: wait |
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| 04:14.04 | Dreamer3 | no wheel group in debian? |
| 04:14.08 | dondelelcaro | Dreamer3: no. |
| 04:14.10 | Dreamer3 | where should i put semi-admins? |
| 04:14.10 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: no. |
| 04:14.14 | Guerin | durnit |
| 04:14.19 | Dewi | Dreamer3: no. but you could add one. |
| 04:14.22 | dondelelcaro | Dreamer3: use sudo instead |
| 04:14.26 | Guerin | Dreamer3: wth is a semi-admin? |
| 04:14.32 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: sudo and wheel work together |
| 04:14.38 | m0dY | loafy: well, how to get to know from it if my rams is ECC ?! |
| 04:14.39 | Dreamer3 | dondelelcaro: yes, i usually setup sudo to let wheel group sudo to root :-) |
| 04:14.43 | Dreamer3 | but no wheel :-) |
| 04:14.44 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: they can, but we don't use a wheel group. |
| 04:15.01 | loafy | m0dY: ask CompWizrd, i've never used memtest |
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| 04:15.19 | m0dY | CompWizrd: any help :) ?! |
| 04:15.25 | CompWizrd | i'm rebooting a laptop in a minute, i'll see if memtest will mention ecc or not |
| 04:15.30 | dondelelcaro | Dreamer3: sudo can allow any arbitrary group to su to root; feel free to make one. |
| 04:15.32 | Dewi | Dreamer3: I can see no reason why you can't add a "wheel", and put it in sudoers |
| 04:15.41 | m0dY | okay |
| 04:15.41 | Dewi | Dreamer3: I do it on one of my debian boxes |
| 04:15.42 | Dreamer3 | yeah, just asking for convention :-) |
| 04:15.48 | CompWizrd | hmm, can't find my ubcd.. it was here.. i vaguely remember it doing so though. |
| 04:15.51 | m0dY | appreciate it :) |
| 04:15.51 | Dreamer3 | only one person on that box, i just added him instead of a group :-) |
| 04:15.58 | loafy | Guerin: he's prolly used to FreeBSD -- only users who are members of the 'wheel' group can su root |
| 04:16.01 | CompWizrd | there's a debian package for it, actually, and you can add it to lilo, and then have it selectable from the boot menu |
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| 04:16.09 | CompWizrd | or you could just download the .iso/disk image and boot from that |
| 04:16.13 | Guerin | loafy: probably. |
| 04:16.43 | Dewi | Guerin: they just tend to add groups to sudoers instead of users |
| 04:16.50 | byteshack_home | So any idea on how to reset a tty? |
| 04:16.59 | Dewi | byteshack_home: restart it |
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| 04:17.20 | byteshack_home | I have a frozen tty. I can see from a different terminal that agetty is running on it. I kill agetty, but nothing happens on the terminal, it's still frozen. A new aggetty process comes up after I kill the current running one on that term |
| 04:17.29 | byteshack_home | The term still shows me working in vim, but I have zero control. (I was working in it when the term froze up) |
| 04:17.37 | rue_more | why might the config option ddns-update-style have hooped my dhcp server? |
| 04:17.42 | byteshack_home | Is there a way I can reset the term, other than restarting agetty? |
| 04:17.45 | dondelelcaro | byteshack_home: ^Q or similar to XON. |
| 04:17.54 | Guerin | why is everyone trying to educate me about wheel? |
| 04:18.15 | byteshack_home | dondelelcaro: Don't know what you mean. |
| 04:18.19 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: better that than trying to break you on it |
| 04:18.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:18.31 | Dewi | Guerin: you are wearing a sign that says "tell me about wheel" |
| 04:18.31 | loafy | Guerin: because <3 |
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| 04:19.07 | dondelelcaro | byteshack_home: if you scroll lock (or otherwise cause flow control to stop the terminal) output to the terminal will stop updating until you re-enable it. |
| 04:19.26 | bucky | RMS doesn't like wheel... it's elitist |
| 04:19.44 | loafy | bucky that made me laugh |
| 04:19.47 | byteshack_home | dondelelcaro: So this is what I'm trying to find out. How do I enable that? |
| 04:19.47 | Dewi | me too |
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| 04:20.02 | dondelelcaro | byteshack_home: ^Q or whatever is appropriate for that terminal. |
| 04:20.05 | bucky | it's true |
| 04:20.13 | loafy | the sad thing is i believe it :P |
| 04:20.16 | Dewi | bucky: it's true that RMS should shut up |
| 04:20.32 | bucky | he has lately |
| 04:20.39 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:20.43 | Guerin | Dewi: why? |
| 04:20.45 | dondelelcaro | RMS thinks files to be readable by everyone; since he does that himself, it's quite ok for him to recommend it |
| 04:20.47 | Scorpion | hello |
| 04:20.58 | m0dY | CompWizard: got it up ?! |
| 04:21.03 | Guerin | use gpg to protect anything you want to protect |
| 04:21.32 | Scorpion | alhien habla español |
| 04:21.34 | Dewi | Guerin: I think RMS lost touch with reality a long time ago |
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| 04:21.45 | Guerin | Dewi: when? |
| 04:21.50 | byteshack_home | dondelelcaro: Oh holy freakin' cow! I had scroll lock on somehow. Turning it off, fixed it. Nutshell explanation on why that mattered. |
| 04:22.12 | chealer_ | !tell Scorpion about es |
| 04:22.15 | Dewi | Guerin: when he started ranting like a madman about non-free "infecting" his free world, and stuff like that |
| 04:22.28 | Guerin | Dewi: RMS isn't a realist, he's a philosopher. As far as that goes, he's doing an exceptional job of making philosophy into reality. |
| 04:22.31 | dondelelcaro | byteshack_home: you've now discovered the point of scroll lock in a rather annoying way |
| 04:22.39 | Guerin | Dewi: what's so unreal about that? |
| 04:22.52 | loafy | Guerin: one word-Hurd |
| 04:23.05 | Guerin | loafy: better hurd than vista. |
| 04:23.11 | loafy | touche |
| 04:23.14 | byteshack_home | dondelelcaro: So are you telling me that scroll lock totally foobars the output to terms? |
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| 04:23.30 | rue_more | why might the config option ddns-update-style have hooped my dhcp server? |
| 04:23.35 | Dewi | Guerin: I just think his zeal gets in the way of realism |
| 04:23.42 | Dewi | Guerin: RMS and De Raadt both annoy me |
| 04:23.54 | byteshack_home | dondelelcaro: Come to think of it, scroll lock is the only key on my computer I've never used for any good purpose, be it in Windows/Linux/Mac |
| 04:23.55 | byteshack_home | . |
| 04:23.55 | Guerin | Dewi: whose realism? |
| 04:24.04 | Dewi | Guerin: Torvalds and other high profile people just seem a bit less wrapped up in their propagandized world |
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| 04:24.42 | Guerin | Dewi: they don't have strong principle, you mean. |
| 04:24.43 | Dewi | byteshack_home: watch out for ctrl-s too. it does a similar thing until you hit ctrl-q |
| 04:25.18 | Dewi | Guerin: it's not about the strength of principle. It's just when principle blinds one to reality. |
| 04:25.24 | loafy | Dewi: I don't know... I saw a pretty horrifying email exchange where Torvalds flamed the hell out of a bunch of people for using Gnome instead of KDE |
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| 04:25.48 | rue_more | ok I have 10 mins to reinstall dhcpd |
| 04:25.48 | byteshack_home | Dewi: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm going to go play with it right now, just so I can be familiarized with how it works. So I can be somewhat prepared in the event of this repeating itself. |
| 04:25.52 | Coweater | Dewi: but reality is what we make it |
| 04:26.05 | Dewi | Guerin: and in de raadt's case, copying and selling the CD layout seems pretty hypocritical to me |
| 04:26.39 | Guerin | Dewi: in what way does that reflect on RMS, though? He HAS a free OS, and it's growing bigger and better by the day. His foundation IS making progress, and it has a very strong impac on the 'real' world which you seem to think he's out of touch with. |
| 04:26.54 | Guerin | Dewi: i don't know about deraadt, so I'll confine my coments to rms. |
| 04:27.19 | byteshack_home | Dewi: Weird, if I hit ctrl-s, or Scroll Lock, ctrl-q turns it off. But when I was locked up back there, ^q wasn't doing anything, it was the hitting of the actual scroll lock key that fixed it. That's kind've odd. |
| 04:27.20 | Dewi | Guerin: sure... but there are things I don't like about the foundation/movement |
| 04:27.36 | loafy | Guerin: I don't think anybody hates RMS, or thinks he's a bad person... but he is awfully idealistic, so you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt... you can't take him too seriously |
| 04:27.42 | Dewi | Guerin: I think the "java trap" thing annoys me more than anything else |
| 04:27.48 | nima | im trying to compile firefox, but i get a weird error |
| 04:27.58 | Guerin | Dewi: ok, see, now we're down to the heart of the matter. Like most people who diss on RMS, you don't like him, or his principles, so you say he's out of touch. |
| 04:28.17 | Guerin | Dewi: the java trap is perfectly valid. |
| 04:28.19 | byteshack_home | Anyways, thank you people. Once again a few good men/women saved the day where docs where just too PITA to mow through. I'll have to go read them some more. |
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| 04:28.42 | Guerin | loafy: i disagree. |
| 04:28.47 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: I'd like to answer to the wiki.d.o content freeness discussion. do you think it's a good idea to discuss your strategy on IRC (first)? |
| 04:28.48 | ejofee | Dewi: no, it doesn't help :( |
| 04:29.03 | nima | http://pastebin.com/523503 heres the error |
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| 04:29.18 | Dewi | Guerin: no, it's his zealot-like detachment from pragmatism that grates on me |
| 04:29.54 | Guerin | Dewi: why? I think ensuring that the tools you have will always be available is *extremely* pragmatic. |
| 04:30.05 | ricercar | byteshack_home: I usually disable the xon/xoff chars with stty -ixon and use ScrollLock instead. This lets me use C-q and C-s for bidirectional searching my shell history |
| 04:30.11 | Guerin | Dewi: this is an issue of long-term vs. short-term thinking |
| 04:30.32 | Dewi | Guerin: it also vaguely annoys me that the open world still needs these "figureheads". The whole point, surely, is that thousands, hundreds of thousands, are helping out. |
| 04:31.12 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm sure my tune on the java issue will change when GNU classpath reaches the next big milestone |
| 04:31.14 | loafy | Guerin: for example, do you think the Texinfo format is a good idea... even if you're talking long term vs. short-term there's really no reason to not provide documentation in man format as well, since everybody is used to it and it's awfully easy to convert |
| 04:31.15 | Guerin | Dewi: you think we should just skip to the happy utopian everyone-is-the-leader part? |
| 04:31.15 | Dewi | :P |
| 04:31.26 | stew | !follow Dewi |
| 04:31.37 | stew | !worship Guerin |
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| 04:32.10 | Guerin | loafy: I don't know this issue. |
| 04:32.17 | dondelelcaro | loafy: that's just a case of the people who are actually writing the documentation prefering texinfo; nothing wrong with people writing manpages as well. |
| 04:32.31 | loafy | heh... gnu documentation is in texinfo format, not man format... |
| 04:32.37 | Guerin | oh, I see |
| 04:32.40 | dondelelcaro | loafy: indeed, if you write better manpages, I can almost guarantee that the Debian packages will include them. |
| 04:32.45 | loafy | dondelelcaro: but the Texinfo utility doesn't offer man output format |
| 04:32.45 | Guerin | info vs. man |
| 04:32.49 | dondelelcaro | loafy: so? |
| 04:32.56 | Guerin | loafy: if it's so easy to convert, why not convert it yourself? |
| 04:33.00 | loafy | and _if_ gnu offers man documentation they say it's deprecated and push their format |
| 04:33.14 | Guerin | texinfo IS a more powerful interface |
| 04:33.19 | dondelelcaro | loafy: it's not that it's just deprecated, it's not written by the people writing the documentation |
| 04:33.27 | dondelelcaro | loafy: if you care about manpages, write them. |
| 04:33.54 | loafy | heh. i don't care one way or the other, all im saying is that RMS can go a little over board in support of his various causes |
| 04:33.54 | dondelelcaro | (if you want textinfo->man conversion that doesn't suck, write it!) |
| 04:34.08 | dondelelcaro | loafy: uh... if you don't care, why are you arguing for it then? |
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| 04:34.22 | stew | i doubt very much that RMS is looking over people's shoulder's making sure they write info pages and not manpages |
| 04:34.31 | loafy | im not arguing for man format, im arguing that RMS is idealistic and sometimes out of touch with reality |
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| 04:34.43 | loafy | i.e. there are millions of people used to man format and he expects them all to stop using it over night |
| 04:34.47 | Guerin | loafy: ok, but you've also not come up with anything to support that statement |
| 04:34.50 | Supaplex | stew: sure they are. why last week .. nm ;) |
| 04:35.06 | Supaplex | info is teh suck. use html ffs :P |
| 04:35.06 | Guerin | loafy: no, he doesn't. He suggests an alternative, and people use it in preference. |
| 04:35.30 | Guerin | so once again we have people saying "RMS is out of touch" when they mean "I disagree with RMS" |
| 04:35.39 | loafy | no... i don't disagree with him |
| 04:35.40 | Dewi | Guerin: not really |
| 04:35.45 | loafy | i don't think texinfo is bad |
| 04:35.50 | Dewi | Guerin: you said his "java trap" thing was valid. And I guess... it is valid |
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| 04:35.58 | Dewi | Guerin: but the editorial he attaches to it... grates on me |
| 04:35.59 | ricercar | loafy: try 'info --subnodes --output - <info file (e.g. bash> | less' |
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| 04:36.21 | Guerin | Dewi: ok. So you disagree, but you've just conceded that the thing you disliked THE MOST was valid. |
| 04:36.59 | Dewi | Guerin: ... no, the thing I dislike the most is when he takes a valid argument and then extends it past breaking point |
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| 04:37.26 | Guerin | Dewi: past the point where you agree with him, you mean. |
| 04:37.35 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: sorry, I should have asked you first, are you interested in discussing wiki.d.o with me? |
| 04:37.51 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm not going to bother disclaiming my opinion as my opinion. |
| 04:38.10 | loafy | Guerin: what's wrong with him disagreeing with RMS? |
| 04:38.19 | loafy | i dont think there is anyone on the planet i agree with 100% |
| 04:38.19 | loafy | heh |
| 04:38.26 | Guerin | Dewi: but once again, that's not an actual criticism, other than "I disagree with him" |
| 04:38.27 | Dewi | Guerin: I just think he makes it sound like a propaganda piece needlessly sometimes |
| 04:38.39 | stew | so what |
| 04:38.55 | Guerin | loafy: nothing, except when people try to dress it up as something HE is, rather than something THEY are. |
| 04:39.00 | Guerin | the same goes for anyone. |
| 04:39.10 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't have to disagree with the thesis of a propaganda piece to disapprove of propaganda itself |
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| 04:39.23 | Guerin | I mean, I can say "Steve Jobs is a twat", but that don't make it so |
| 04:39.36 | Dewi | Guerin: it makes it as so as anything else does |
| 04:39.40 | Guerin | all I really mean is "I think apple is shit, and it's all Steve Jobs' fault" |
| 04:39.45 | Dewi | Guerin: everything is relative |
| 04:39.47 | loafy | Guerin: well if you want to wax philosophical... ;> |
| 04:40.24 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: sure, feel free to ask away |
| 04:40.30 | loafy | Guerin: at least Jobs doesn't throw chairs and people and fucking kill them |
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| 04:41.01 | dondelelcaro | byteshack_home: nah, the point of the scroll lock (is as the name sounds) to lock the term so it stops scrolling madly so you can figure out what is being output |
| 04:41.09 | ricercar | loafy: What have I missed? Who throws chairs? |
| 04:41.15 | Guerin | Dewi: but what I'm arguing against here is the tendency of people to take a person they disagree with for reasons of their own, and make it a failing of the person, rather than couching it as a difference of opinion, or a difference of philsophy |
| 04:41.30 | Guerin | loafy: no, he has his minions do it for him |
| 04:41.33 | Dewi | Guerin: isn't that what a disagreement IS? |
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| 04:41.50 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: thanks! does this channel look like the best place to do so? I'm not saying it will take hours, but just in case :) |
| 04:42.06 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the difference is between saying "I disgree with foo, his ideas are silly" and "I disagree with foo, he's an insane maniac on drugs" |
| 04:42.28 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: doesn't really make a difference to me |
| 04:42.29 | Guerin | Dewi: no. Disagreement doesn't have to be about belittling the thing you disagree with; in fact, it's almost always saner if you treat it with some sort of respect. |
| 04:42.30 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't think it's a great idea to divorce a person's actions from their identity totally... but I take your point. |
| 04:42.55 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: probably the best place would be to figure out the licencing issues on a mailing list, and then implement some code method of dealing with it sanely |
| 04:43.14 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: but feel free to ask away here or wherever |
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| 04:43.43 | Guerin | Dewi: the reason I jumped on this is because that's how RMS gets treated all the time: people disagree with his philosophical position as founder and president of GNU and the FSF, and write him off as a madman. |
| 04:43.52 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: yeah, I'm opposing propaganda with more propaganda. |
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| 04:43.55 | eliasz | how do i change the screen resolution under KDE? |
| 04:43.58 | fooz | eclipse is really, really fast when compiled by gcj. that is cool |
| 04:44.01 | eliasz | is there a key shortcut? |
| 04:44.04 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: but you've got to admit that it's less harmful when I do it because nobody gives a fuck what I say :P |
| 04:44.13 | Guerin | eliasz: ctrl+alt++ or - |
| 04:44.14 | chealer_ | hehe, right. I'm not yet sure whether I'd volunteer to code if that's needed, I first want to discuss the strategy to a DFSG-free wiki.d.o. |
| 04:44.35 | Guerin | eliasz: if you need more available screenmodes /msg dpkg drxx |
| 04:44.36 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: propoganda is one thing; ad hominems another |
| 04:44.44 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: I'll get back to this on mailing lists, but I'd like a preliminary discussion with you |
| 04:44.45 | eliasz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.59 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: sure, take it to /msg or here or wherever you think is best |
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| 04:46.11 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: ok. so, sorry to get back to this so late, but I just reread the debian-legal thread from October and made my mind about what should be done. you were proposing to do the migration like has been done and later proceed to a relicensing/removal of content. |
| 04:46.15 | dee_ | is there a way to assign a file extensions, say myfile.foo, to an application without using GUI config toold to set that up? where is the info stored? |
| 04:46.28 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: right |
| 04:46.53 | ricercar | I have a practical problem: I've just done a network install of etch (2.6.12-1-386 kernel) on my 2.4 GHz ASUS P4PE-based system. The alsaconf manpage says that 'Alsaconf will write a module-init-tools (or modutils) snippet' - where does it put this snippet? (Last time I ran alsaconf it said that I had no (previously functional soundcard). |
| 04:47.07 | dee_ | i tried adding to /etc/mime.types -- but there is no way to specify the binding app! |
| 04:47.17 | fooz | dee_, /etc/mailcap |
| 04:47.38 | fooz | dee_, but that only works for things that use /etc/mailcap. what are you trying to associate extensions with? GNOME? KDE? Firefox? |
| 04:47.40 | dee_ | fooz, isnt that for email or something? |
| 04:48.00 | dondelelcaro | ricercar: alsaconf is kind of lame; your best bet is to just load the proper module (discover or hotplug or udev should do this for you) and away you go |
| 04:48.01 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: looking at this now, what do you think are the odds that the licensing will eventually get done if we go with your strategy? |
| 04:48.05 | dee_ | fooz, actually i want them to associate in KDE, GNOME, XFCE, if possible |
| 04:48.19 | fooz | dee_, then you need to use gnome control center. |
| 04:48.29 | dee_ | fooz, but what file is that modifying? |
| 04:48.34 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: that depends on whether someone wants to bother to head up the process; if no one does, it'll never happen. If someone does, it may happen, probably slowly |
| 04:48.40 | dee_ | fooz, i want to make this change across all the users in the lab |
| 04:48.56 | fooz | dee_, an unreadable binary database.. |
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| 04:48.59 | fooz | probably |
| 04:49.00 | dee_ | omfg |
| 04:49.07 | dee_ | im going to kill the gnome guys... |
| 04:49.08 | fooz | dee_, i don't know, don't use gnome. |
| 04:49.15 | dee_ | but then KDE doesnt look in that DB does it? |
| 04:49.22 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: I think the first thing is to figure out what code changes are needed so that people can specify that all of their work is under a specific license, or that specific contributions of theirs are under specific licenses. |
| 04:49.41 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: that can be done by anyone; being a DD is not required |
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| 04:50.50 | fooz | dee_, /usr/share/application-registry and /usr/share/mime-info |
| 04:50.55 | fooz | dee_, not binary, but still a pain |
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| 04:51.09 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: once that has been taken care of, it's just a matter of getting the code changes incorporated into the wiki.d.o website (possibly into the debian moinmoin package or as a module or whatever) and then advertising that people should be picking a DFSG free license for their contributions to the wiki. [once CC is freed, this will make it easier] |
| 04:51.14 | fooz | dee_, that's only for gnome though, kde i have no clue |
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| 04:51.45 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: before getting into that, this is not really a decisive question, but what do you think are those odds that someone will both to head up the process for your relicensing strategy? |
| 04:51.51 | dee_ | fooz, thanks for the info! |
| 04:51.54 | chealer_ | s/both/bother |
| 04:52.15 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: dunno. someone who thinks it's a problem would have to do it. |
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| 04:52.18 | FarrisG | does anyone know how to get a SB Live "Live Drive" to work in linux? Mine works in Windows, and the SBLive itself works fine in debian, but the Live Drive does nothing when I'm in linux. |
| 04:52.44 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: I think it's a problem, but I don't have enough time to start on it (and it's not really a serious enough problem for me to prioritize it very highly) |
| 04:52.57 | fooz | dee_, for kde http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/file-associations.html |
| 04:53.10 | ricercar | dondelelcaro: Will this give working /dev/sequencer, etc? (I have the i810 chipset) |
| 04:53.14 | Frew | If you have your /etc/apt/sources.list set only to stable, is there any way to download packages from testing / unstable? Perhaps a command line option or something to add unstable just for that one install? Hmm... or would you have to add unstable then do a apt-get update? Or do you just have to bite the bullet and change the file? |
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| 04:53.22 | dondelelcaro | ricercar: if you load the alsa sequencer module, yes |
| 04:53.26 | fooz | dee_, basically, you have to do every change n+1 times, where n is as many desktop environments as you have :P |
| 04:53.38 | dee_ | fooz, omfg |
| 04:53.47 | dondelelcaro | Frew: no; and that's really not a good idea. What you want is a backport. |
| 04:53.49 | Mxyzpltk | FarrisG: I have an old one that works just out of the box, nothing special needed, just set the correct mixer settings, I use alsamixer for that |
| 04:53.54 | ricercar | dondelelcaro: Thanx, I'll give it a try |
| 04:53.57 | fooz | dee_, welcome to WinLinux 95 :P |
| 04:54.10 | dondelelcaro | ricercar: or at least, it's supposed to work... I've never really bothered with that recently. |
| 04:54.11 | dee_ | fooz, when will this change?!?! |
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| 04:54.22 | fooz | dee_, probably never. |
| 04:54.39 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: sorry, I'm really not asking you to do that |
| 04:54.53 | fooz | it'd be easier if gnome would just go away, but unfortunately it works better than KDE atm |
| 04:54.53 | Frew | dondelelcaro: Oh - What is a backport? |
| 04:55.09 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: heh; I'm just explaining why I haven't jumped up to do it myself |
| 04:55.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell Frew -about backport |
| 04:56.10 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: and let's say we'd know that nobody would get to that. do you think it would be better to restart the wiki from scratch than going on without a good license? |
| 04:56.44 | fooz | the real solution is to run something like Emacs that can open every possible file type |
| 04:56.55 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: no, unfortunatly... because we'd still have the same problem with new content |
| 04:57.20 | Dewi | dee_: why use so many desktop environments? |
| 04:57.35 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: whatever the solution is, it has to be something that can be implemented gradually, otherwise noone will agree to it |
| 04:57.38 | fooz | Dewi, e said it's for a lab |
| 04:57.39 | dee_ | Dewi, why restrict the user's choice of what they like? |
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| 04:57.42 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: hum, assuming we choose a license for all new content before restarting from scratch? |
| 04:57.50 | dee_ | Dewi, yeah lab environ |
| 04:58.14 | fooz | though for reduction of headaches, labs should just run one thing, heh |
| 04:58.24 | fooz | XFCE should be most familiar to lab rats. it looks like CDE :D |
| 04:58.34 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: so you think that we'd better with an indefinitely non-free wiki than to choose a DFSG-free license and restart from scratch? |
| 04:58.36 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: even then I don't think it's reasonable; people use the wiki and throwing out all of the content will never fly |
| 04:58.43 | Dewi | dee_: well, file associations are something you'd expect to do for each desktop environment |
| 04:59.04 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 04:59.14 | dee_ | Dewi, why is that? |
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| 04:59.20 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: I don't like either solution, but there isn't going to be any support for the latter, so it won't work. |
| 04:59.24 | fooz | free software Java has almost caught up with Java 1.4.. i hope it gets 1.5 features soon |
| 04:59.28 | Dewi | dee_: because anything else would restrict your choice? |
| 04:59.33 | dee_ | Dewi, if you are not root -- you cant change the software instaled |
| 04:59.44 | dee_ | Dewi, no -- users would be able to override the DEFAULTS |
| 04:59.54 | dee_ | i just want to have common DEFAULTS setup |
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| 05:00.11 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: ok. what about choosing a license, freezing the old wiki and start a new one under the new license? |
| 05:00.24 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: old wiki==current wiki.d.o |
| 05:00.27 | dee_ | like, since we have the official Adobe Acroreader installed, we should assign .pdf files to that app |
| 05:00.42 | dee_ | it doesnt matter what Desktop you run, it should open with that |
| 05:00.52 | fooz | ew |
| 05:00.55 | dee_ | and whatever desktop you choose to use, you can overried the default with -- make sense? |
| 05:00.58 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: that still has the same problems, as we'd still have the old content |
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| 05:01.26 | dondelelcaro | we'd just be deprecating and hiding it away |
| 05:01.27 | fooz | i like how xpdf conveniently ignores DRM in PDFs that have it. hehe |
| 05:01.28 | dee_ | fooz, hey dude -- xpdf, gnomepdf, and others all have too many issues |
| 05:01.31 | Dewi | dee_: the whole concept of the "assignment of a file type to an app" has no meaning outside a specific desktop environment |
| 05:01.43 | fooz | dee_, maybe. i've never had any problems |
| 05:01.45 | Dewi | dee_: so it can't just magically have commonality to several of them |
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| 05:01.57 | dee_ | Dewi, but it has commanility to X |
| 05:02.03 | Guerin | well, you could try alstering the default mime config |
| 05:02.04 | Dewi | dee_: no, it doesn't |
| 05:02.04 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: but all the new content would be free |
| 05:02.10 | dondelelcaro | dee_: X has nothing to do with which files are being run |
| 05:02.27 | Dewi | dee_: X just draws things |
| 05:02.30 | dee_ | Dewi, sure -- i want my PDF's to open in Adobe Reader -- whteher i use KDE or Gnome or XFCE |
| 05:02.32 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: sure, but we can make all of the new content free using a gradual approach, as well as licensing the old content |
| 05:02.38 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: but it still requires someone to drive the process |
| 05:02.44 | dee_ | Dewi, thats right -- but your desktop requires X! |
| 05:03.17 | Dewi | dee_: and my computer requires electricity. That doesn't mean I expect the electricity board to configure my computer |
| 05:03.20 | Frew | dondelelcaro: Interesting - Thank you. But say instead of using a backport, I download the .deb file containing the package. What's the procedure like to install the package once it's alreay on your local machine? That's doable, right? |
| 05:03.21 | dee_ | Dewi, so why not something like a /etc/desktop.assignments ? |
| 05:03.28 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: yeah. your approach is better but needs more "driving" |
| 05:03.35 | Dewi | dee_: because WHAT is an assignment? |
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| 05:03.48 | dee_ | Dewi, of course these are good questions |
| 05:03.51 | Dewi | dee_: what's a "pdf"? how are you identifying it? what causes it to "launch adobe acrobat"? |
| 05:04.02 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: either approach really needs someone to drive it; it's just that one will end up directly going against the way things are done currently, whereas the gradualism approach can be implemented through the backdoor |
| 05:04.04 | dee_ | Dewi, im hoping that someone will understand the frustration of implementing this secenario |
| 05:04.06 | Dewi | dee_: these questions are answered individually by each desktop environment, in differing ways |
| 05:04.08 | [M]erk | Hello all. How do you get the apt package for realtime-lsm working? |
| 05:04.18 | dondelelcaro | Frew: the problem is that the deb from unstable will have dependencies on things in unstable that you can't get unless you upgrade to unstable. |
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| 05:04.22 | dee_ | Dewi, and that is exactly the problem |
| 05:04.23 | _Krusty_ | hi |
| 05:04.32 | [M]erk | I installed it, and I'm in the group 'audio.' |
| 05:04.33 | Guerin | Dewi: by file extension, probably, which - while stupid - is supported by all filemanagers |
| 05:04.38 | dondelelcaro | Frew: you want to use a backport to install that deb, because it was built against the packages that are actually in stable, not the packages in unstable. |
| 05:04.50 | dee_ | Dewi, i should not matter --> pdf should invoke "/usr/bin/acroread $1" |
| 05:04.51 | Guerin | dee_: this is a filemanager isssue, not a desktop environment issue. |
| 05:04.56 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: so, say we try your approach. how do we check that people agreeing to relicensing are the same people that contributed the content? |
| 05:05.00 | Dewi | dee_: you seem to expect to keep your "choice" of environments without considering the extra work that the "Choice" creates |
| 05:05.06 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: they attest to it themselves |
| 05:05.17 | Dewi | dee_: if all the desktop environments used the same mechanisms for these things, they wouldn't be different desktop environments. |
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| 05:05.22 | Dewi | dee_: and we would have only one. No choice. |
| 05:05.37 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: we really can't control people copying content in which isn't their own to relicense unfortunatly; all we can do is delete it when we find it |
| 05:05.39 | dee_ | Dewi, why not have some defaults that can be overridden? |
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| 05:05.43 | _Krusty_ | I did: tar -cf directory/* and the first file was killed and the other files were compressed on first file name |
| 05:05.45 | Frew | dondelelcaro: Thanks again. |
| 05:05.48 | _Krusty_ | can i restore that file? |
| 05:05.49 | dondelelcaro | Frew: np |
| 05:05.56 | Dewi | dee_: because these "defaults" exist only in your mind |
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| 05:06.17 | dondelelcaro | _Krusty_: generally not, unfortunatly. |
| 05:06.32 | jeeves_ | Hello every one! |
| 05:06.39 | Dewi | dee_: they're different systems with different ways of doing things. |
| 05:06.55 | Dewi | dee_: feel free to write a script to synchronise the configuration of all your desktops |
| 05:06.57 | dee_ | Dewi, so what is an admin to do in this situation? |
| 05:07.22 | Guerin | the question to ask is: how does any given filemanager decide which program to open for any given file? |
| 05:07.24 | Dewi | dee_: just do it? |
| 05:07.26 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: hum, I'm not sure we understand. say a page on wiki.d.o was made by FooUser on wiki.d.net. how do we who to trust to say that they wrote it and agree to relicensing it? |
| 05:07.39 | dee_ | Dewi, thats a lot of work... |
| 05:07.46 | chealer_ | s/we who/we know who |
| 05:07.50 | Dewi | dee_: yes. But you wanted choice. Choice == work |
| 05:07.56 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: baruser on wiki.debian.org says that they wrote it, and that they agree to it being licensed under a specific license. |
| 05:07.59 | dee_ | Dewi, and i just think that we try to minimize that 3ith computers :-) |
| 05:08.00 | Guerin | the answer to that is: each filemanager tends to have its own database of filetype:application relationships |
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| 05:08.24 | dee_ | Guerin, i guess |
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| 05:08.41 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: it entails trusting baruser, of course... but then we're trusting baruser anyway. |
| 05:08.46 | Guerin | dee_: what you're asking for is to have only ONE database for each filemanager, but that's not strictly possible: if I run gnome, I want to open my pdfs in gpdf. If I run kde, I want them in kpdf. |
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| 05:08.51 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: I see. |
| 05:09.01 | dee_ | Guerin, no i mean have one, if you want it only |
| 05:09.10 | dee_ | Guerin, exactly! |
| 05:09.12 | Dewi | dee_: just keep in mind that the "launch" verb and the "file type" attribute are not clearly defined in a way that bridges between different environments. It is these differences that makes them different, it's why we have them. |
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| 05:09.34 | Dewi | dee_: if you want one unified environment, just use gnome or something |
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| 05:09.41 | dondelelcaro | and then there are those of us who think the whole idea of clicking on a file to open it is stupid, and just say xpdf foofile |
| 05:10.10 | Guerin | dee_: the only way each filemanager knows what application you want to use is if you tell it - so one way around this would be to check for the existence of a default database: something which holds canonical choices. You could write this functionality if you want, it wouldn't be hard. |
| 05:10.11 | dee_ | Guerin, your example is good gpdf/kpdf -- but what about having the ability to shadow these with local assignments? |
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| 05:10.28 | Dewi | dondelelcaro / dee_ : anyway, not everyone clicks. They might double click. They might drag and drop. |
| 05:10.30 | dee_ | if it doesnt exist in the local desktop assigment, go to the parent |
| 05:10.34 | dondelelcaro | (sometimes I want to open my pdf in an editor, sometimes with less, sometimes with xpdf... sometimes I want to play it) |
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| 05:10.51 | Guerin | but since > 90% of the people using desktops are happy with using the tools their desktop provides, that's why they use the desktop. |
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| 05:11.04 | Guerin | err |
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| 05:11.22 | Dewi | dee_: the real question is, if you want all your desktop environments to be *the same*, why are you using so many of them? |
| 05:11.26 | virtu | hi.. anyone here use an ADSL USB modem on debian? |
| 05:11.29 | Guerin | but since > 90% of the people using desktops are happy with using the tools their desktop provides, (that's why they use the desktop), this wouldn't be of much use to the bulk of people, which is probably why it's not yet been implemented. |
| 05:11.37 | dee_ | Dewi, you miss the whole point |
| 05:11.47 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: unless you're using some wierd mouse that doesn't click at all, double clicking and dragging and dropping involves "clicking" to some extent... ;-) |
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| 05:12.06 | dee_ | Dewi, the "point" is to make it easier for dumb users |
| 05:12.13 | Dewi | dee_: no, you miss the point that nobody needs or wants this. You can write a script to do it if you want, but it's not as clear as you think it is, and it's not useful to anyone but you. |
| 05:12.14 | dee_ | Dewi, users dont know what they want |
| 05:12.23 | Guerin | dee_: i fail to see how acrobat makes *anything* easier |
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| 05:12.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: but it makes things all nice and motif-y! |
| 05:12.41 | Dewi | dee_: just boot each environment and make the associations you want to make |
| 05:12.43 | Guerin | dee_: so let them use what their desktop wants them to use. Since they don't know, they won't care. |
| 05:12.46 | Dewi | dee_: then log out, and you have it |
| 05:12.46 | dee_ | Guerin, have you ever had display problems with gpdf/kpdf -- well... |
| 05:13.07 | dee_ | ehhh whatever |
| 05:13.10 | Guerin | dee_: rarely. I have a funny clip about that, actually ... wait a moment. |
| 05:13.37 | dee_ | Guerin, run into improper PDFs quite often |
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| 05:14.20 | dee_ | Dewi, to finish this rant -- i just meant that if one ISNT ASSIGNED in your desktop -- get the assignment from somewhere else |
| 05:14.37 | dee_ | like, if .foo isnt assigned, there's no danger looking somwehere else |
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| 05:15.15 | abrocadabro | I had root ntpdate ntphost.anu.edu.au &> /dev/null in my crontab, why do I still get emails saying stuff like :26 Jan 14:05:00 ntpdate[6543]: step time server 150.203.1.10 offset -0.595769 sec? |
| 05:15.18 | virtu | hi.. anyone here use an ADSL USB modem on debian? |
| 05:15.46 | fooz | abrocadabro, redirect stdout of ntpdate |
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| 05:16.16 | fooz | hmm |
| 05:16.22 | Zerial | virtu, what modem? |
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| 05:16.27 | fooz | that should |
| 05:16.34 | opnsrc | Which file do I need to modify to add something to my path (just for this user). I tried .bash_profile and that didn't work. I tried .bashrc and that only works within gnome-terminal |
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| 05:16.59 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: back to statistics for hopefully my last questions. say we implement a relicensing mechanism and "decently" advertise to people the need to relicense the content they contributed. at which date should we prune the remaining unlicensed content and which proportion of the content do you expect to be able to keep then? |
| 05:17.30 | abrocadabro | fooz: that line wass redirect stdout isn't? it didn't have problems before |
| 05:17.34 | opnsrc | just license it under the GNu-GPL |
| 05:17.57 | ricercar | dondelelcaro: alsa sequencer module - hmm, aconnect -l tells me: "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory" |
| 05:17.58 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 05:18.11 | Guerin | STUPID adobe! |
| 05:18.17 | opnsrc | chealer_, just license it under the GNu-GPL |
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| 05:18.34 | excelsius | hola |
| 05:18.46 | opnsrc | Which file do I need to modify to add something to my path (just for this user). I tried .bash_profile and that didn't work. I tried .bashrc and that only works within gnome-terminal |
| 05:19.23 | Zerial | !es |
| 05:19.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:19.35 | Zerial | xD |
| 05:19.44 | chealer_ | opnsrc: I suppose you're missing the context of our discussion...about wiki.debian.org relicensing |
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| 05:19.57 | excelsius | weja |
| 05:19.59 | opnsrc | sorry |
| 05:20.00 | excelsius | wena |
| 05:20.01 | excelsius | ZERIAL |
| 05:20.02 | excelsius | jaaj |
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| 05:20.19 | meriad | how do I clean out my APT thingie.. |
| 05:20.21 | meriad | i broke it somehow :> |
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| 05:20.30 | syl-2 | hello, i just install HPIJS, the driver for my hp printer. now, great, it is installed, but how shall i configure it so that i can actually print ? |
| 05:21.01 | chealer_ | syl-2: you'll probably want to add a printer to be able to print |
| 05:21.15 | chealer_ | a "software printer", of course |
| 05:21.17 | meriad | there fixed |
| 05:21.20 | meriad | thanks for nothing |
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| 05:21.28 | syl-2 | chealer_: how ? all i know is that the device is /dev/lp0 |
| 05:21.34 | chealer_ | syl-2: oops |
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| 05:21.45 | useruser | opnsrc: you can source ~/.bash_profile from ~/.bashrc and then do everything in ~/.bash_profile ... or the other way around |
| 05:21.59 | chealer_ | syl-2: do you use KDE? |
| 05:22.11 | syl-2 | chealer_: i don't have this luxury |
| 05:22.11 | opnsrc | I understand that but neither file seems to set a path for opnsrc (user) |
| 05:22.15 | opnsrc | I tried both |
| 05:22.18 | virtu | Zerial dlink dsl-210 (lsusb shows me conexant rockwell) |
| 05:22.18 | syl-2 | this machine is way too old |
| 05:22.31 | opnsrc | .bashrc only sets it under gnome-terminal it doesn't work for xterm or any other applications |
| 05:22.44 | useruser | opnsrc: you have export PATH=foo:$PATH in both files, and nothing happens? |
| 05:22.45 | opnsrc | and .bash_profile doesn't work at all |
| 05:22.57 | opnsrc | no, I just tried one |
| 05:22.59 | opnsrc | It has to be both? |
| 05:23.03 | opnsrc | That makes no sense |
| 05:23.09 | useruser | opnsrc: man 1 bash |
| 05:23.13 | opnsrc | k |
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| 05:23.23 | useruser | opnsrc: read the INVOCATION section |
| 05:23.23 | chealer_ | syl-2: did you check http://host:631/ ? |
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| 05:23.32 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 05:23.39 | htedrom | hey all...how do i force an apt-get install |
| 05:23.53 | htedrom | actually better yet...where are the packages apt downloads |
| 05:23.54 | syl-2 | chealer_: what's that ?? |
| 05:23.58 | htedrom | i'll just dpkg force it |
| 05:24.05 | cisse | htedcrom /var/cache/apt |
| 05:24.11 | htedrom | thanks |
| 05:24.24 | Zerial | virtu, join to #eci |
| 05:24.29 | cisse | find . -name *.deb |
| 05:24.33 | cisse | locate .deb |
| 05:24.38 | kecoausil | Hi... |
| 05:24.42 | Pablo | anyone have any good links on how to get my dell d600 lappy display to a higher resolution than 800x600? |
| 05:24.49 | kecoausil | You is crazy |
| 05:24.56 | chealer_ | syl-2: an URL depending on the machine that has CUPS. if it's local, http://localhost:631/ |
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| 05:25.56 | chealer_ | Pablo: unlikely. is there something specific to Dell D600 about increasing resolution? |
| 05:26.16 | syl-2 | chealer_: so, i've got nothing at this address. probably means i didn't install CUPS. which is normal since i didn't know that CUPS exists. |
| 05:26.43 | chealer_ | syl-2: ok. maybe you don't need cups, but I don't know how to help you then |
| 05:26.51 | syl-2 | i thought i had to work it out with ghostscript or something |
| 05:27.11 | syl-2 | chealer_: no no in fact i'm just ignorant :) i don't really know if i need it or not |
| 05:27.37 | chealer_ | syl-2: hum I don't think you have to deal with ghostscript for that |
| 05:27.44 | ricercar | opensrc: I use only xterm. I got my aliases by editing .bashrc and appending my old .profile (see bash(1) for the rules on which of .bash{rc,_profile} etc. get used by login (e.g. VC) and non-login (e.g. xterm) shells) |
| 05:27.53 | syl-2 | cupsys huh... well i can't die trying |
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| 05:28.14 | opnsrc | it's funny because the manual says that .bash_profile is ran before .bashrc |
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| 05:28.39 | opnsrc | So really, if you think about it, once .bash_profile is ran, the path should be set for any scripts running under it |
| 05:29.35 | opnsrc | (unless that part of the .bash_profile script that sets the path hasn't been run yet) |
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| 05:29.35 | opnsrc | anywho, I'll try adding it to both and see what happens |
| 05:29.47 | rutski89 | Does anyone here have anything to say about their preferences between stable/unstalbe on debian. I might switch from SuSE/KDE to Debian/GNOME on my laptop, but the only thing holding be back is being torn between stable/unstable useability |
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| 05:30.43 | ricercar | opensrc: I think that the "Invocation" section of bash(1) answers your question |
| 05:31.07 | chealer_ | rutski89: nobody will suggest you to use unstable if you never used Debian. if testing is not in your options, use stable |
| 05:31.20 | Pablo | chealer_, it is suppost to be 1024 x 768 not 800x600.... it has a radeon 9000 in it |
| 05:31.39 | rutski89 | Like... I tried to go Debian/Unstable on a text computer, i install the base system, switche sources.list to unstable, ran apt-get update && apt-get updgrade, and then tried "apt-get install gnome", i failed with package dependency errors! I don't want to suffer with stuff like taht, but there are many packages in unstable that I _need_ like the newest inkscape, and python2.4 |
| 05:31.47 | chealer_ | Pablo: is X configured to 1024X768? |
| 05:32.00 | Pablo | yes it was during the setup |
| 05:32.13 | rutski89 | cheal_log, naw, I've been on debian plenty, just in a server environemnt. |
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| 05:32.22 | chealer_ | rutski89: there is no support for unstable here |
| 05:32.27 | rutski89 | cheal_log, really? |
| 05:32.29 | opnsrc | rutski89 if you want to use unstable I recommend etch |
| 05:32.34 | atula | hi. I am trying to install a blog with apache/php/mysql... but the blog installation page says I do not have GDlib extensions... what do I do to get the GDlib extensions support? |
| 05:32.44 | rutski89 | opnsrc, etch? I thought sid was the unstable distro, what's etc? |
| 05:32.46 | rutski89 | **etch |
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| 05:32.59 | opnsrc | etch is right after stable |
| 05:32.59 | Pablo | chealer_, yes it was during the setup |
| 05:33.01 | chealer_ | rutski89: well, it's not a policy, but we certainly won't help you with APT if you use unstable |
| 05:33.04 | opnsrc | testing |
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| 05:33.37 | rutski89 | cheal_log, ahh, i see |
| 05:33.39 | opnsrc | google debian etch and you'll see |
| 05:33.48 | chealer_ | rutski89: the newest inkscape is in etch, just like python2.4 |
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| 05:33.59 | rutski89 | cheal_log, awesome :-) |
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| 05:34.21 | Seriall | where repos debian sid oficial |
| 05:34.30 | XYZZZ | Bonjour, all. |
| 05:34.41 | opnsrc | thanks everyone |
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| 05:34.56 | rutski89 | hey, what's the best way to brwose package's for debian (from both stable and testing, as well as unstalbe). Other then apt-get install, apt-cachce search, and dpkg -l, I'm not to friendly with apt. |
| 05:35.35 | chealer_ | rutski89: synaptic is the nicest X frontend to APT |
| 05:36.11 | rutski89 | cheal_log, cool |
| 05:36.14 | chealer_ | rutski89: like all frontends it will only let you browse for the releases for which APT has sources |
| 05:36.20 | rutski89 | **ic |
| 05:37.34 | rutski89 | cheal_log, meh, o well, i'll live with it |
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| 05:38.35 | chealer_ | rutski89: in case you misunderstood, you *can* do that with synaptic, APT will just eat more bandwidths on dist-upgrade |
| 05:38.57 | rutski89 | cheal_log, hmm... also. What's the best way to get a "light" but complete gnome install? Does just doing gnoem-core leave me with some missing components (i've always felt like apt-get nistall kde-core did, that's why i ask) |
| 05:39.05 | rutski89 | cheal_log, ohh, sweet |
| 05:39.18 | rutski89 | cheal_log, I've got plenty of bandwidth, don't worry :-p |
| 05:39.21 | Guerin | rutski89: gnome-core, then install the extra bits you want individually |
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| 05:39.47 | rutski89 | cheal_log, how do i run synaptic anyway? Trying "synaptic" from a terminal as root gives me gtk errors, and I can't run it as a regular user either |
| 05:39.58 | atula | hi. how do I get GD extension to work in php? |
| 05:40.38 | vimman | i had compiled 2.6.15 version kernel.. but I did not end up generating any initrd file. Is it not necessary to add initrd image to menu.conf of grub.. |
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| 05:41.33 | chealer_ | rutski89: try $ su-to-root -c synaptic |
| 05:42.04 | rutski89 | cheal_log, (synaptic:5008): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 05:42.40 | chealer_ | rutski89: as a user? |
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| 05:43.07 | chealer_ | rutski89: su-to-root is a command :) |
| 05:43.15 | rutski89 | cheal_log, yea; but I just found GKsu, it worked |
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| 05:44.16 | chealer_ | rutski89: ah, I don't understand but good |
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| 05:45.23 | m0dY | vimman: it depends on your modules |
| 05:45.40 | rutski89 | oh, and the most important thing. My wireless card has never worked for me on Debian, but it worked out of the box on SuSE; will it work on debian if i try hard enough? Any suggestions? |
| 05:45.47 | chealer_ | atula: is php4-gd installed? |
| 05:46.43 | chealer_ | rutski89: something that works on some linux distro is most likely to work on Debian if you try hard enough. I'd suggest specifying which chipset it uses if you want a useful answer. |
| 05:46.49 | tvn | rutski89: if it works with other Linux distributions , high chance that it will work with Debian |
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| 05:47.45 | rutski89 | cheal_log, chipset? As in... motherboard chipset? |
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| 05:48.04 | chealer_ | rutski89: the wireless card's chipset |
| 05:48.55 | rutski89 | cheal_log, how do i find out? |
| 05:49.19 | chealer_ | rutski89: google if the manufacturer can'T help |
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| 05:50.23 | rutski89 | cheal_log, will sifting through lspci help? |
| 05:50.41 | vin` | that's a start. |
| 05:50.53 | rutski89 | cheal_log, Heh, haven't done lspci in a while |
| 05:51.08 | chealer_ | rutski89: possibly |
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| 05:54.02 | hoarycripple | Using xserver-xorg in debian unstable causes xmodmap to abort stating: wrong number of buttons must have 32 instead of 12. I searched extensively for this and could not come up with a fix. any ideas? |
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| 05:55.00 | hoarycripple | i am using a 12 button logitech mx1000 |
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| 05:57.28 | vin` | hoarycripple: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46 may help |
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| 05:59.39 | hoarycripple | vin`, I used this as a reference to get everythign working with a previous stable release, but it does not work with debian unstable. the hazards of using unstable i guess... |
| 06:00.23 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 06:00.46 | hoarycripple | this is the only thing i could find that even references this error - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=144706 |
| 06:01.00 | hoarycripple | the last comment |
| 06:01.11 | hoarycripple | err...second to last comment |
| 06:02.06 | cranberries | msg cantona stupid |
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| 06:03.22 | atula | I was wondering: who's the user for my MySQL server? |
| 06:03.33 | hoarycripple | ahh, bug has shown up on bugs.debian.org since last i checked...along similar lines http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349544 |
| 06:03.34 | nceterval | At the moment I have not configured sshd to use a RSA key, so when I try to log into it from a remote box I am prompted for my user password. Does this mean the connection is insecure or unencrypted? Do I need to setup a RSA key? |
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| 06:04.09 | rutski89 | Would debian let me do a wireless install? |
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| 06:04.21 | rutski89 | **netinstall that is |
| 06:04.21 | vilane | hi guys and gals, im wondering if its possible to install debian on a Winbook Si Laptop? |
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| 06:05.29 | scorp007 | Can anyone help me get my mouse working? It stops responding after a short time and I have to either unplug or "modprobe -r usbhid; modprobe usbhid". |
| 06:05.33 | rutski89 | is there a way to get a "list-of-files" from apt for a given package? |
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| 06:05.43 | Claudiu | hello everyone |
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| 06:06.20 | bucky | rutski89: dpkg -L foo if it's installed |
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| 06:06.35 | aris | hi |
| 06:06.45 | aris | anyone knows how to install dancer-ircd |
| 06:06.49 | rutski89 | bucky, and if it's not? :-( |
| 06:06.56 | bucky | if it's not installed apt-get install apt-file and apt-file --list foo |
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| 06:07.11 | bucky | apt-file update first |
| 06:07.13 | Claudiu | is there a way to automaticly install all the libraries I need when compiling majority of program? this is default in slackware, i mean, I hardly have some libraries missing, and this thing always anoyed me about debian |
| 06:07.13 | Golito | aris, apt-get install dancer-ircd (??) |
| 06:07.29 | aris | i mean configuring |
| 06:07.39 | Golito | Claudiu, use auto-apt |
| 06:07.48 | rutski89 | bucky, ty |
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| 06:07.55 | Golito | aris, install the dancer-ircd-doc , and read ;) |
| 06:08.03 | Claudiu | Golito: what does this do? explicitly? |
| 06:08.09 | dondelelcaro | Claudiu: what libraries are needed for "majority of programs" is an impossible thing to answer; either use auto-apt as Golito suggests, or use apt-get build-dep; or use the packages which are already prepared for you |
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| 06:08.31 | dondelelcaro | Claudiu: apt-cache show auto-apt; has the information on it |
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| 06:08.43 | Golito | as dondelelcaro said ;) |
| 06:09.17 | dondelelcaro | Claudiu: you'll find that almost everything that you'd ever want to build is actually already in Debian anyway. |
| 06:09.29 | Claudiu | of course I will use apt-get when possible for installing new software, but sometimes I really need to compile from source, and get anyoing messages |
| 06:09.33 | deadcat | anyone using xcompmgr and root-tail? i have having some problem with root-tail's output. |
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| 06:10.05 | Claudiu | dondelelcaro: Still, I *insist* on compiling my own a few of them |
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| 06:10.16 | dondelelcaro | Claudiu: well, when you do, you just install the appropriate -dev package; if you don't know the right one, apt-file or apt-cache search; will clue you in |
| 06:10.27 | dondelelcaro | Claudiu: that's fine, you can still compile whatever you want |
| 06:10.53 | Claudiu | I guess I'll try auto-apt then... |
| 06:11.00 | Golito | Claudiu, auto-apt along with apt-file will help you , just install them and google for some howto :) |
| 06:11.06 | chealer_ | hey dondelelcaro, did you see my last question? I was asking... |
| 06:11.13 | Qiang | quick quesiton. i have sudo right and the $home variables is not set once i sudoed.. how do i fix that? |
| 06:11.18 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: back to statistics for hopefully my last questions. say we implement a relicensing mechanism and "decently" advertise to people the need to relicense the content they contributed. at which date should we prune the remaining unlicensed content and which proportion of the content do you expect to be able to keep then? |
| 06:11.26 | Golito | apt-file will tell you ( if you needed) which package contains which file |
| 06:11.34 | vilane | linux on laptops says that there is no compatability with my Winbook Si. anyone know if there something not listed that will work? even in an experimental way? |
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| 06:11.48 | dondelelcaro | chealer_: dunno; that probably depends on the uptake and replacement of badly licensed things |
| 06:12.15 | Claudiu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:12.34 | Claudiu | so, it still doesn't help me, if i need files outside debian's repo |
| 06:12.56 | dondelelcaro | Claudiu: almost anything that your program builddepends upon is actually in Debian. |
| 06:12.59 | Golito | Claudiu, auto-apt run ./configure <--- instead of using configure alone |
| 06:13.09 | Golito | I don't get it, it' straighforward :) |
| 06:13.40 | Golito | Claudiu, just curious, what are your trying to build? |
| 06:13.49 | chealer_ | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for the discussion, I'll try to followup on the lists sometime |
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| 06:14.23 | mhall | how do I change the passphrase of my GPG private key to something that's more memorable? |
| 06:14.31 | dondelelcaro | mhall: with gpg --edit |
| 06:14.59 | dondelelcaro | (specifically, the passwd option in the edit menu |
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| 06:15.48 | Dewi | Qiang: this is a recent change to sudo for security reasons |
| 06:16.14 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yes i have a real one in mind that's more suitable to my cognitive process than the old one was |
| 06:16.25 | mhall | dondelelcaro: to the point where i almost lost use of my key it was such a bad pick |
| 06:16.36 | Guerin | Qiang: Defaults always_set_home |
| 06:16.39 | Dewi | Qiang: I put into /etc/sudoers: Defaults always_set_home |
| 06:16.57 | Dewi | Qiang: this sets $HOME consistent with ~ for the target user |
| 06:17.16 | Guerin | it will break sudo randomxapp, though |
| 06:17.23 | Guerin | which isn't such a bad thing |
| 06:17.23 | Qiang | thanks Dewi and Guerin.. found that just in sudoers man page. was wondering why it doesn't work as before.. |
| 06:17.32 | Dewi | Guerin: why would it break X apps? |
| 06:17.39 | mhall | dondelelcaro: thanks for always helping me out; you rock |
| 06:17.42 | Dewi | Guerin: something to do with authority? |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | Dewi: it breaks using sudo to run them, because it gets the Xauthority file from root's homedir, not from the sudo user's |
| 06:18.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and the elegance of how easy that was to do is further proof of the quality of gpg's interface |
| 06:18.09 | Guerin | Dewi: easy enough to get around |
| 06:18.28 | Guerin | Dewi: (ssh -X root@localhost) |
| 06:18.51 | Guerin | for those rare times when you just HAVE to run an x app as root |
| 06:18.52 | Dewi | Guerin: I guess. I like sudo better. |
| 06:18.57 | Dewi | Guerin: any time I have a root shell, I feel nervous |
| 06:19.13 | Dewi | Guerin: but generally I prefer to just avoid needing to use X as root |
| 06:19.22 | Guerin | k3b still makes me be root |
| 06:19.30 | Guerin | though I only use it once in a blue moon |
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| 06:19.41 | Claudiu | Golito: wine, last version, mplayer compiled from scratch with all cidecs |
| 06:20.07 | Claudiu | *codecs |
| 06:20.51 | Golito | never tried compiling wine, dunno what libs are needed, but mplayer compiled flawlessly |
| 06:21.06 | Claudiu | Golito: sweeeeeet |
| 06:21.36 | Claudiu | Golito: about wine, if it doesn't work, then I guess I'll apt-get it |
| 06:22.03 | vin` | Claudiu: even mplayer is apt-gettable, the codecs too. |
| 06:22.28 | Golito | Claudiu, /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 06:23.37 | dondelelcaro | mhall: yeah, gpg has a really nice interface; the only issue with it is that you need to spend a bit of time in the manpage to figure it out |
| 06:24.00 | Golito | dondelelcaro, true! |
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| 06:26.19 | vhd | is there a way to completely remove all traces of apache being installed on unstable |
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| 06:26.42 | vhd | I mean I want to remove apache but --purge does not remove everything |
| 06:26.44 | Claudiu | any ideea when kde 3.5 will be in testing?... |
| 06:26.52 | dondelelcaro | vhd: remove and purge apache-common |
| 06:26.58 | Golito | Claudiu, when it's ready :P |
| 06:26.59 | dondelelcaro | vhd: why do you want to do that? |
| 06:27.06 | Guerin | vhd: it doesn't leave much. I think it even takes logs with. |
| 06:27.19 | vhd | Guerin: I messed up my install |
| 06:27.20 | jm_ | it does if you purge the right packages |
| 06:27.26 | vilane | anyone know if linux in general is supported for a Winbook Si laptop? |
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| 06:27.34 | Golito | vhd, reinstall it |
| 06:27.34 | Guerin | vhd: so reinstall. |
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| 06:28.00 | vhd | Golito: I have tried but the problem is that I installed apt-get install apache |
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| 06:28.16 | vhd | then I did something like apt-get install mysql-client-5.0 |
| 06:28.26 | vhd | which installs apache2 by default! |
| 06:28.35 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:28.42 | vhd | then I installed webmin, but could not get it to work |
| 06:28.53 | Guerin | ok, several things here: |
| 06:28.58 | Guerin | 1) don't use webmin |
| 06:29.03 | rutski89 | chealer_, wireless works, heh, i guess i know a bit more about iwconfig than i though :-) And its working on the netinstall too! /me happily install debian |
| 06:29.07 | Guerin | 2) any new site should be using apache2 |
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| 06:29.33 | vhd | so now I tried uninstalling apache apache2 and apache-ssl and reinstalling apache-ssl |
| 06:29.35 | Guerin | 3) apache and apache2 in debian should either conflict, or cohabit peacefully |
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| 06:29.58 | vhd | Guerin: I think they are conflicting :-) |
| 06:30.16 | Guerin | vhd: if they were conflicting, then apache would have been removed when apache2 was installed |
| 06:30.27 | chealer_ | rutski89: nice. I took days to shop a laptop that would have wireless well supported in Debian, and it's really not that great. |
| 06:30.28 | Dewi | Guerin: are there any projects like wedmin that are less... well... unsuccessful? |
| 06:30.34 | Guerin | vhd: what you probably want to do is aptitude -f install |
| 06:30.34 | Dewi | er webmin |
| 06:30.41 | Guerin | Dewi: i don't know. I doubt it. |
| 06:30.42 | deadcat | if i have my irssi config file. shouldnt the system read /etc/irssi.conf THEN mine or just mine? |
| 06:30.51 | Golito | chealer_, you should have checked more ;) |
| 06:30.55 | ricercar | dondelelcaro: You mentioned the alsa sequencer module earlier. "apt-cache search --full sequencer" also mentions it but fails to name the package. Which package *provides* the sequencer? |
| 06:31.00 | vhd | So I tried reinstalling apache-ssl but when I /etc/init.d/apache-ssl start I get an error reading the conf file on line 338. It has a problem with Order |
| 06:31.14 | chealer_ | Golito: I bought an RT2500. what do you prefer? |
| 06:31.21 | dondelelcaro | ricercar: it's a kernel module; assuing you've loaded it and used MAKEDEV to create the devices (if they don't otherwise exist) it should show up |
| 06:31.24 | Guerin | deadcat: former |
| 06:31.29 | deadcat | doh |
| 06:31.34 | Golito | vhd, you are confusing me here :P |
| 06:31.41 | deadcat | Guerin: i figured they be like bash config files. |
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| 06:31.47 | Golito | vhda, apt-get install apache2 <- still gives you problems? |
| 06:31.47 | Guerin | vhd: so fix it. |
| 06:31.50 | vhd | OK I will try some of the suggestions and get back to you guys. Thanks for the help |
| 06:31.55 | Golito | np |
| 06:31.57 | Stereo | hello guys! |
| 06:32.19 | Guerin | deadcat: it might just skip and read the default only if yours doesn't exist |
| 06:32.31 | Guerin | deadcat: in either case, your options would be those used |
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| 06:32.50 | Stereo | I had a small oops during a smartd test on a disk. The disk looks fine, but now smartd won't shut up about it |
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| 06:33.03 | Stereo | when it starts or runs, it says: |
| 06:33.31 | Stereo | (I hope pasting is ok, it's two lines) |
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| 06:34.00 | Stereo | smartd[523]: Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error |
| 06:34.03 | Stereo | smartd[523]: # 2 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 4248 1151 |
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| 06:34.41 | Stereo | I tried reading /u/s/d/smart* and the online documentation and faq and can't find anything about this |
| 06:34.46 | Stereo | what should I do? |
| 06:34.56 | vhd | Thanks guys. purging apache-common did what I wanted. THANKS!!! |
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| 06:38.36 | jm_ | steri: reboot is usually the only way to completely clean up after an oops |
| 06:38.47 | jm_ | Stereo ^^^ |
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| 06:39.50 | rutski89 | how is it that the firefox binary is only 4.xMB, while the JRE Offline program binary is 16MB! (note: that's not the java vm, it's app used to dl and install the vm). I just find that kinda funny :-p |
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| 06:40.16 | Stereo | jm_: I'll try that. You reckon it'll make smartd shut up? |
| 06:40.22 | jm_ | check if it's linked statically |
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| 06:40.59 | ricercar | dondelelcaro: I'm running newly-installed (from netinstall CD) etch. I found: /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/sound/synth/snd-util-mem.ko. Is this it? |
| 06:41.03 | rutski89 | jm_, It's on windows, so I assume that it si |
| 06:41.05 | rutski89 | **is |
| 06:41.14 | jm_ | Stereo: well smart web page on sf.net has some examples of what it says when it detects disk failures, try to compare what you get (clean run, without oopses) to that - unfortunately I can't use smartd |
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| 06:47.34 | Dewi | what does /srv have in it? |
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| 06:47.46 | nvz | Dewi: whatever you put in it |
| 06:47.58 | nvz | !FHS |
| 06:47.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 06:48.07 | Dewi | well, how can I tell what are real directories and which are virtual things like /proc? |
| 06:48.18 | nvz | Dewi: I use mine for samba users homes, and for my web server root |
| 06:48.35 | nvz | Dewi: read the fhs |
| 06:48.38 | pearl | Dewi: huh? |
| 06:48.50 | pearl | i dont understand it, hehe |
| 06:49.03 | Dewi | well, /proc isn't a real thing on disk |
| 06:49.08 | Dewi | I'm trying to work out backups |
| 06:49.15 | Guerin | deadcat: technically untrue |
| 06:49.17 | Dewi | it would be impossible to back up /proc |
| 06:49.22 | Guerin | dewi: technically untrue |
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| 06:49.24 | nvz | Dewi: /dev/ /proc/ and /tmp/ arent really needewd for backup |
| 06:49.32 | Guerin | Dewi: /proc is real - just the stuff in it isn't |
| 06:49.35 | Dewi | nvz: /sys/ ? |
| 06:50.06 | nvz | thats probably not important iether but I forget what that is.. read the fhs ffs :P |
| 06:50.10 | Dewi | the FHS doesn't mention /sys/ |
| 06:51.01 | nvz | for backup you usually want /etc/ and /home anything else all depends on the type of backup you are doingt |
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| 06:51.17 | CamelSpider | hi buu. how are you feeling? |
| 06:51.42 | Dewi | nvz: there's an awful lot missing there |
| 06:51.42 | nvz | and of course your system configuration.. as things could be in /usr/ or /var/ that you cant just reinstall from a package |
| 06:52.22 | nvz | Dewi: when _I_ backup I only backup what is not stock system as I can always get that back.. I only backup /etc/ and /home/ and /srv/ |
| 06:52.47 | Dewi | nvz: well, it would be nice to get things that aren't just huge binaries |
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| 06:52.52 | Dewi | nvz: from /usr/ and /var/ |
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| 06:53.01 | Dewi | and maybe /lib/ |
| 06:53.17 | nvz | Dewi: I also make sure I dont put anything anywhere but there.. and maybe /usr/src/ or /var/lib/dpkg/..etc |
| 06:53.27 | Dewi | but I have never found a way to back those up without wasting a phenomenal amount of space |
| 06:53.41 | nvz | all depends on where you put files that are important and what is important to you |
| 06:53.53 | Dewi | nvz: not all packages store their configuration stuff in /etc though |
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| 06:54.24 | nvz | Dewi: there are only two legitimate places for configuration /etc/ or /home/ |
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| 06:54.35 | Dewi | I guess dpkg is pretty illegitimate then |
| 06:54.55 | nvz | heh |
| 06:55.03 | nvz | I mentioned /var/lib/dpkg already |
| 06:55.11 | nvz | and thats not really configuration |
| 06:55.19 | nvz | thata package state info |
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| 06:55.29 | jm_ | you'll also find configuration in /var/cache |
| 06:55.36 | nvz | yeah that too |
| 06:55.39 | Dewi | nvz: it's the configuration of my package set. It's user data, it's not a binary. |
| 06:56.01 | nvz | /var/ is like I said a good thing to carefully consider for backup as it may contain lots of important things |
| 06:56.16 | jm_ | indeed |
| 06:56.18 | Dewi | I don't mind a bit of wastage, but I mean, /usr/ is 2gb on your basic debian desktop machine |
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| 06:56.27 | Dewi | and I have no idea what might be hiding in there |
| 06:57.04 | peterS | Dewi: judicious use of 'du -sk * | sort -n' in various directories is useful |
| 06:57.23 | peterS | Dewi: that is, display disk usage of each subdir, sorted by size |
| 06:57.35 | peterS | that's a command I use all the time |
| 06:57.41 | nvz | peterS: I havent seen you in a long time.. but I guess its me who hasnt been around :P |
| 06:57.58 | peterS | nvz: bit of both, I expect. I pop in now and then, just apparently not when you do |
| 06:58.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.15 | Dewi | peterS: yeah, that's handy |
| 06:58.19 | zignig | like ships of a foggy night. |
| 06:58.35 | peterS | heh, exactly |
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| 06:58.48 | nvz | peterS: working night turn.. havent been spending much time here.. though I popo in from work sometimes like I am now |
| 06:59.06 | nvz | makes the night go faster..a s time always flies by on IRC |
| 06:59.08 | zignig | nvz: slacking off at work! well done. |
| 06:59.08 | Guerin | it's important to use du --all |
| 06:59.12 | peterS | of course |
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| 06:59.19 | Guerin | else it doesn't count files in . |
| 06:59.26 | jm_ | Guerin: * takes care of that |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | oh, really |
| 06:59.33 | nvz | zignig: I am here 8.5 hours I have a set work load tht I can finish in about 2 hours |
| 06:59.34 | Guerin | nice |
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| 06:59.46 | zignig | nvz: can I have your job. |
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| 06:59.58 | yos87 | how can I activate disabled right click on the browser? |
| 07:00.06 | nvz | zignig: thats including doing things like answering alarms and cleaning up and watching over other areas that arent my responibility |
| 07:00.19 | deadcat | yos87: dont make no sence |
| 07:00.38 | Dewi | jm_: of course, * will exclude hidden stuff |
| 07:00.55 | jm_ | Dewi: naturally |
| 07:01.05 | nvz | those who know I do this dont like it, but they cant stop me. I will just go work somewhere else for more money and have them fired |
| 07:01.15 | yos87 | deadcat: why |
| 07:01.23 | nvz | I have a job waiting for me making more money and hours closer to home |
| 07:01.41 | nvz | I dont want to take it until after winter though |
| 07:01.43 | deadcat | yos87: i dont know |
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| 07:02.46 | zignig | bleh to you and your cats! |
| 07:02.48 | nvz | going to try stay here long enough to teach them the T word and get them running like a smoothly oiled production machine |
| 07:02.56 | foo | Eh, how pathetic. I used grip to rip 50+ cd's ... and it only used the artist / album name to store the file in artist/album/song.whatever ... it didn't actually write the info to the id3 tag. How pathetic. What a piece of crap. I'm very disappointed. |
| 07:03.02 | zignig | nvz: the T word ? |
| 07:03.10 | jm_ | foo: use abcde |
| 07:03.16 | nvz | zignig: Team (work) |
| 07:03.17 | Golito | foo, use abcde |
| 07:03.36 | zignig | nvz: I try to teach people the B word , _BACKUP_ , now! |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | hm, for me the B word is 'beer' |
| 07:03.57 | jm_ | hehe |
| 07:04.03 | foo | jm_ and Golito: Would you guys recommend that over grip? I spent about a week ripping cd's ... and I just loaded the music up on iTunes and the only id3 tag the file had was the song. |
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| 07:04.33 | nvz | zignig: everyone here complains and posts signs daily.. and none of the management want to hear it. All they need to do is tell them 1) we have no complaint dept. 2) If you dont want to work, go home. and 3) we will have daily/weekly whatever staff meetings before/after shifts to discuss issues |
| 07:04.34 | zignig | !beer Guerin |
| 07:04.36 | Golito | jm_ you mentioned abcde first, you have the honor to reply ;) |
| 07:05.02 | zignig | nvz: where do you work? |
| 07:05.04 | Guerin | zignig: arr |
| 07:05.08 | ricercar | jackd -d alsa tells me: "creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit", immediately followed by "control device hw:0" and "control open "hw:0" (No such device)" I'd appreciate any help here |
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| 07:05.11 | zignig | Guerin: burp! |
| 07:05.25 | jm_ | foo: yes, it will fetch the info from cddb and add ID3 tags, and can use whatever layout you prefer (say "artist/album/songname.foo"), can do mp3 and ogg, very nice |
| 07:05.41 | nvz | zignig: its the Advanced Alloy Division of the National Molding corp we run a bunch of mold preses making small plastic products for GM and other customers |
| 07:05.43 | zignig | jm_: nearly as good as itunes :P |
| 07:05.52 | foo | jm_: ah, thanks. /me sighs on grip. I setup grip to rip on insert, and eject when done... worked very nice. That's too bad. |
| 07:05.54 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 07:06.04 | Guerin | itunes schitunes |
| 07:06.05 | zignig | nvz: cool, injection molding. squidge! |
| 07:06.24 | nvz | zignig: yeah these machines are hard at it.. later I will empty them out.. and thats about it :P |
| 07:06.26 | Dewi | foo: you should be able to find tools, or at least a perl lib, that will make it easy to convert path information into ID3 |
| 07:06.33 | zignig | nvz: first item === $100,000 , second item = 0.2c |
| 07:06.49 | jm_ | foo: yeah abcde can also eject, the only thing you may miss is "rip on insert" |
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| 07:07.18 | Guerin | you can set that up with a shell script, though |
| 07:07.32 | jm_ | yeah tools like id3ren |
| 07:07.34 | e-doll | . |
| 07:07.36 | zignig | Guerin: my home network consists of debian and OSX on laptops, no M$ at all. |
| 07:07.48 | Guerin | zignig: eew, OSX |
| 07:07.54 | zignig | Guerin: bleh! |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | zignig: take your fruit and GO! |
| 07:08.04 | foo | Dewi: Oh, yeah? Hmm, I'm going to look into that. I think that would take less time than reripping everything. Any ideas where to start? |
| 07:08.07 | nvz | OSX is better than windows.. it at least has a half way decent logging facility |
| 07:08.25 | Guerin | nvz: OS5 is better than windows... |
| 07:08.33 | nvz | my home netwoprk only has my linux box, my brother OSX laptop and a bunch of windows machines.. I use that OSX box a lot to compare logs when we have problems |
| 07:08.34 | ricercar | nvz: *anything* is better than windows! |
| 07:08.34 | Guerin | ok .. that's a bit harsh |
| 07:08.40 | jm_ | foo: yeah I meant abcde for future use, not to re-rip ;) |
| 07:08.41 | Guerin | maybe OS7 |
| 07:08.42 | zignig | Guerin: :P , NA!. I quite like OSX as a desktop. debian is the go for servers though. |
| 07:08.55 | foo | jm_: oh, hehehe. |
| 07:08.57 | Guerin | zignig: mactards, jeesh. |
| 07:09.05 | zignig | !lart Guerin |
| 07:09.13 | zignig | Guerin: take that ! |
| 07:09.25 | Golito | ouch! |
| 07:09.51 | Guerin | !qotd42 |
| 07:09.51 | dpkg | * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 07:09.57 | Guerin | ^^ |
| 07:09.58 | nvz | I wont be a mac fan until at least a 2 button if not a 3 button pointing device becomes standard :P |
| 07:10.22 | nvz | aggrivates me having only one button |
| 07:10.25 | Guerin | i won't be a mac fan until they abandon DRM and make their OS free |
| 07:10.34 | nvz | heh |
| 07:10.51 | zignig | Guerin: nice hardware though |
| 07:10.51 | Guerin | i suppose you could do s/until&// |
| 07:10.52 | nvz | is that what caused the lisc problems in XFree? |
| 07:11.01 | Guerin | zignig: not really. |
| 07:11.12 | Guerin | zignig: you can buy quality x86 hardware too, you realise. |
| 07:11.19 | nvz | if by nice you mean onimental or decorative |
| 07:11.20 | Guerin | nvz: no. |
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| 07:11.26 | zignig | Guerin: no I missed that , not. |
| 07:11.30 | peterS | nvz: nah, that was mainly one guy being unwise and then unwilling to admit it |
| 07:11.38 | peterS | (david dawes) |
| 07:11.44 | Guerin | nvz: listen to the openbsd 3.6 song |
| 07:11.45 | zignig | peterS: I thought you were sleeping ! |
| 07:11.48 | Guerin | it's funneh |
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| 07:11.53 | peterS | zignig: gettin' there (: |
| 07:12.00 | nvz | Guerin: whewre would I find that? |
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| 07:12.10 | Guerin | nvz: um, how about ... openbsd.org? |
| 07:12.14 | Guerin | nvz: just an idea. |
| 07:12.16 | nvz | oh // heh |
| 07:12.18 | Guerin | !smack nvz |
| 07:12.27 | adlr | anyone know which package provides libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0? and how i could answer that quesetion in generl? |
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| 07:12.48 | Guerin | !find libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 07:12.48 | jm_ | my neighbour is official distributor of OpenBSD for our country, but those CD-s are just too damn expensive, so he only sold 2 sets so far I think ;) |
| 07:12.58 | jm_ | adlr: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:13.04 | ClayG | anyone have a nice juicy souces.list I can "borrow"? |
| 07:13.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0' (2): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.10) in libdevel/libgtk2.0-0-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/{libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0|libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.10}) in libs/libgtk2.0-0. |
| 07:13.08 | nvz | I am on an IBM PS 350 - P100 w/ 32mb ram 800mb hd and win98 at work right now.. I got the fanciest hw in here |
| 07:13.09 | foo | Dewi: Any ideas? |
| 07:13.12 | Guerin | ClayG: apt-setup has one |
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| 07:13.40 | Guerin | nvz: what a sweet x terminal |
| 07:13.43 | adlr | cool bot! :D |
| 07:13.44 | nvz | looks like they shop for pcs in the dumpster at the goodwill |
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| 07:13.45 | ClayG | I want one bigger than the "defualt" one |
| 07:14.02 | Guerin | ClayG: why? |
| 07:14.08 | Guerin | ClayG: size isn't everything. |
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| 07:14.33 | nvz | Guerin: yeah well I am using it to ssh home wit putty with a little help from the proxy I setup in the shipping dept |
| 07:14.36 | zignig | ClayG: blame your parents..... |
| 07:14.39 | ClayG | I tend to find more files and have more selection with a bigger sources.list with more repos |
| 07:14.50 | Dewi | foo: I don't know of any software off-hand, but I know there are some powerful ID3 libraries around |
| 07:14.53 | foo | jm_: Any ideas where I should look for a script |
| 07:14.57 | foo | oh, oops |
| 07:15.00 | Guerin | ClayG: what specific programs do you want that aren't available to you? |
| 07:15.00 | foo | Ah, I see |
| 07:15.11 | Dewi | foo: http://id3lib.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:15.20 | Dewi | foo: there's a list of software using it at the bottom |
| 07:15.31 | Wowbagger_ | When building a kernel using make-kpkg, and then trying to install the image, it fails complaining about a module not being found and then explains that the error may be caused by compiling modules into the kernel (which I believe is the case). But the kernel doesn't get installed. How should I work around this? |
| 07:15.39 | ClayG | I had a good sources.list i got from someone showed 20k packages in synaptic |
| 07:15.41 | foo | Dewi: ah, thanks |
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| 07:15.53 | ClayG | I reformatted and now have a smaller one with only 15k |
| 07:16.03 | zignig | nvz: SQUIDGE! |
| 07:16.27 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: try building the thing as a module. This tends to only happen when you edit your .config manually, or with a broken config editor like gconfig or ols versions of xconfig |
| 07:16.44 | Guerin | ClayG: just answer the fucking question. |
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| 07:17.29 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin: But I don't want it as a module. For suspend support it seems to be recommended to compile the scsi stuff into the kernel. |
| 07:17.39 | ClayG | dont have time to do the "why do you want to"'s tonight |
| 07:17.44 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: which suspend? |
| 07:17.53 | jm_ | foo: id3ren looks promising |
| 07:17.56 | ClayG | just looking for a sources.list that has more than the default 2or 3 |
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| 07:18.01 | Wowbagger_ | Kernel suspend. |
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| 07:18.18 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: there's more than one. |
| 07:18.32 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin: Is "to ram" what you're looking for? |
| 07:18.43 | ClayG | sorry not trying to be a dientos |
| 07:19.19 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: no, I'm looking for something like Software Suspend 2.1.9.9 |
| 07:19.34 | Guerin | ClayG: what branch of debian are you running? |
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| 07:19.58 | ClayG | sarge i think |
| 07:20.01 | Supaplex | his own |
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| 07:20.31 | wathek | hello all |
| 07:20.33 | wathek | could I resize a partition with fdisk ? or I can do it only with parted ? |
| 07:21.07 | Guerin | ClayG: add deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main |
| 07:21.10 | dvm1981__ | wathek, look also for the 'ultimate boot cd' |
| 07:21.18 | ClayG | ok thanks |
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| 07:21.21 | Guerin | ClayG: should buy you another 5-10 thousand packages |
| 07:21.21 | adlr | afaik, fdisk doesn't allow for non-destructivde partion resizing |
| 07:21.24 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin: More or less following this site's suggestions: http://home.comcast.net/~canez/d610 |
| 07:21.31 | ClayG | ok cool works |
| 07:21.39 | Guerin | ClayG: awesome eh |
| 07:21.58 | ClayG | yeah, for good measured i tossed in an ubuntu sources.list |
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| 07:22.09 | Guerin | ClayG: um .. don't do that |
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| 07:22.16 | nautilus | hi .. ist hier wer deutsches? |
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| 07:22.52 | ClayG | damnit man |
| 07:22.55 | ft | !de |
| 07:22.55 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 07:23.10 | nautilus | thx |
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| 07:24.10 | ClayG | need tovid + tor |
| 07:24.30 | ClayG | i wonder is using the ubuntu provided deb package will work |
| 07:25.00 | jm_ | if by work you mean "it will fuckup my system", then yes, it will work |
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| 07:25.40 | ClayG | anyone remember where the termcaps file for gnome term is? |
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| 07:25.54 | jm_ | it should be using terminfo, not termcap |
| 07:26.26 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 07:26.30 | yos87 | hi all |
| 07:26.35 | ClayG | hmmm |
| 07:27.00 | yos87 | I knew how to enable disabled right click on the browser! |
| 07:27.27 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: ok. You should probably use suspend2, which is available in debian, and doesn't require scsi and so on to be built as modules |
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| 07:27.47 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: suspend2 is *awesome*, i just set it up myself. |
| 07:27.53 | dominicano | is the PHP language the best fot begginers? or bash? |
| 07:28.00 | zimnyx | Is there any command-line readeer of mozilla's mail? |
| 07:28.02 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin: Ok.. fair enough. But say, for some other reason I wanted to do this, how can I get debian to do it? |
| 07:28.06 | Guerin | dominicano: depends who you ask |
| 07:28.09 | zimnyx | dominicano: perl is fine. |
| 07:28.17 | Supaplex | dominicano: best is relative. but perl rulez! :) |
| 07:28.19 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: some modules simply can't be built in. |
| 07:28.40 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin: That may be so. But That's not what the installer is complaining baout. |
| 07:28.51 | nvz | zignig: :P |
| 07:29.09 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, PHP is more for web purpose |
| 07:29.32 | jm_ | Wowbagger_: did you build it with initrd support? |
| 07:29.32 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: well, it may be looking to the config for the modules, or somesuch. The only time I've ever seen that happen is when you hack on the .config manually, breaking it. |
| 07:29.32 | dominicano | U r right |
| 07:29.37 | CamelSpider | !u |
| 07:29.37 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, and Bash for general scripting |
| 07:29.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:29.44 | zignig | nvz: :P 2u2 |
| 07:29.45 | nvz | lazy people who dont want to learn more than one language will insist on using the same shitty scripting language for everything |
| 07:30.00 | dominicano | thanks Guerin zimnyx Supaplex dvm1981 |
| 07:30.03 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: one way to 'fix' it would be to open the debian package up, and edit the file list, or create dummy files foor whatever's missing. |
| 07:30.03 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i figure out my gpg interface questions using the autocomplete built into bash |
| 07:30.11 | Golito | nvz, PHP is shitty? |
| 07:30.24 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i pretty much just do obvious stuff with it so it's no problem |
| 07:30.30 | Guerin | it appears to me that php is easy to write shitty code in |
| 07:30.41 | nvz | Golito: I've never seen or used it.. but i am sure for certain applications its very shitty |
| 07:30.44 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin: I used make menuconfig. The kernel builds fine. The resulting .deb package won't install with dpkg -i (well, it partially installs. It doesn't add an entry in grub) |
| 07:31.43 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, if you want to learn so, and begin, Python is the best choice i think |
| 07:31.45 | nvz | Wowbagger_: make-kpkg has a --config=menuconfig option |
| 07:31.55 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: suggest you file a bug against make-kpkg (if there's not one already) if you did use menuconfig |
| 07:32.00 | Guerin | nvz: relevance? |
| 07:32.02 | Golito | nvz, I see, but LAMP still mean something ( and again P could mean Perl, Python) I ama Python dude though ;) |
| 07:32.10 | nvz | Wowbagger_: its an all-in-wonder tool.. it does everythiong all in one command line if you nned to su or anything, you are doing too much work |
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| 07:32.14 | Guerin | Wowbagger_: but my 'fix' above should still work, in principle |
| 07:32.20 | litage | what's usually the cause of this error message?: No entry for terminal type "unknown"; using dumb terminal settings. |
| 07:32.26 | nvz | Guerin: just encouraging people to make good use of the tool |
| 07:32.31 | Guerin | nvz: i get the feeling he knows how to use make-kpkg already |
| 07:32.34 | nvz | Guerin: has no relevance to his problem with grub |
| 07:32.39 | TBBle | Wowbagger_: Not adding an entry to grub... Did you tell it to in /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 07:32.39 | Guerin | nvz: since that's how he built the damn kernel |
| 07:32.57 | nvz | Guerin: knowing how to use it and being fully aware of all its functions is different |
| 07:33.01 | Dewi | so is FHS actually part of debian policy? |
| 07:33.15 | jm_ | litage: the system you logged in on probably doesn't know the terminal type used by the system you're using for remote connections |
| 07:33.17 | ejofee | how do i add a "konsole" shortcut on the kde's kicker (as a button) *from bash*? |
| 07:33.25 | loxley | are there any debian 64bit channel? |
| 07:33.29 | nvz | Dewi: debian is compliant with FHS as much as sanely possible |
| 07:33.30 | Guerin | ejofee: #debian-kde |
| 07:33.33 | Wowbagger_ | TBBle: Well, it has added it to grub for all of the other kernel's I've built. |
| 07:33.39 | Dewi | nvz: heh |
| 07:33.48 | ejofee | Guerin: thanks |
| 07:33.49 | nvz | danieldg: its just another standard like LSB or such that is an attempt to standardize all distros |
| 07:33.55 | nvz | Dewi: ^ |
| 07:33.55 | dominicano | dvm1981__, do you think python is more easiest? |
| 07:34.06 | TBBle | Wowbagger_: Whacky. 'cause unless you run update-grub or you tell /etc/kernel-img.conf to do so, I don't believe there's any way for the kernel images to do it. |
| 07:34.12 | Wowbagger_ | nvz: I'm aware of the --menuconfig option. But I don't see why using it would help anything. |
| 07:34.14 | Guerin | loxley: #debian-amd64; #debian-sparc, #debian-mips, #debian-alpha |
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| 07:34.39 | Wowbagger_ | TBBle: update-grub is run when dpkg -i is executed on the resulting .deb file. |
| 07:34.44 | Guerin | TBBle: but the kernel install fails with a missing module, if I understand correctly. |
| 07:34.53 | Wowbagger_ | Yes. |
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| 07:35.02 | nvz | Wowbagger_: wont change the outcome, I just like to push use of the one-liner kernel compilation I hate to see people using root and a slew of command line options to compile things they can do in one line as a normal user |
| 07:35.11 | Guerin | that would be a bug in how the kernel package was made |
| 07:35.18 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Personnally, i find it the best actually, im not a programmer, i like it, i have not compare it with C and so because that i not know |
| 07:35.59 | Golito | dominicano, Python is a good language to start with it :) |
| 07:36.08 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok i get it |
| 07:36.11 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, The best method to judge somethings, try it, it sure it already installed on you're system |
| 07:36.13 | Wowbagger_ | Gotta go... |
| 07:36.20 | dominicano | dvm1981__, thanks |
| 07:36.24 | TBBle | Well, solve that first and see if it fixes the grub hook. Sounds like you have got it set up in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 07:36.36 | nvz | python is a good language for anyone IMO its very universal like perl or other legendary scriping languages |
| 07:36.41 | juice` | does ifconfig's RX bytes and TX bytes , are also incrased from the traffic that was just in the same network? (for example, if i turn on promisc mode) |
| 07:36.54 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, :-) ask here or #python |
| 07:37.03 | Wowbagger_ | Guerin, TBBle, nvz... thanks. |
| 07:37.11 | Guerin | juice`: those numbers represent all traffic which passes throught that interface |
| 07:37.18 | nvz | athe whitespace is a bit annoying though |
| 07:37.37 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ~$ python Python 2.3.5 (#2, May 4 2005, 08:51:39) |
| 07:37.38 | juice` | Guerin: theoretically in ethernet everything goes to everybody i think |
| 07:37.53 | Guerin | juice`: theoretically ... but not everything passes through |
| 07:38.02 | TBBle | juice`: Not if you have a switch, for example. |
| 07:38.36 | juice` | so it depends on how connected are those hosts from my network? |
| 07:38.41 | nvz | juice`: when in promisc mode that happens.. but in normal mode the nic ignores at a hardware level packets not addressed to it |
| 07:38.45 | ricercar | "ls -l /dev/mixer" gave: "crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2006-01-21 03:53 /dev/mixer". "alsamixer" in an xterm gave: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" How do I get alsa to find/recognise my i810 hardware? |
| 07:39.07 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, yes, begining with the manual, i not know if you have some programming experience, but it's always recomended to begin with the manual |
| 07:39.12 | juice` | i have bandwidth measurment tool, that is checking ifconfig RX/TX and i want to know, will it measure good (and sometimes i run iptraf which is enabling PROMISC mode) |
| 07:39.36 | Guerin | ricercar: echo snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 07:39.49 | juice` | so if i run this iptraf, then my measurment tool is startting to get too many traffic and counting it i guess |
| 07:39.55 | nvz | or run alsaconf |
| 07:40.21 | fli7e | quick question guys: for the dvd release of 3.1stable (there are two dvds), do i really need both of them, or can i get by with just the first? |
| 07:40.25 | juice` | or not ? :| its vnstat, and i didnt have option to select specific addres, just interface |
| 07:40.31 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I gonna download it, a begginer tutorial |
| 07:40.33 | Guerin | fli7e: 1 |
| 07:40.50 | fli7e | Guerin, just disc one is needed? |
| 07:40.52 | juice` | nvz: does it happens always when in promics? maybe if its connected thru switch, then it doesnt? |
| 07:40.54 | Guerin | fli7e: yes. |
| 07:41.00 | fli7e | Guerin, thanks. |
| 07:41.12 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, wait a little bit i looking for the gold link, |
| 07:41.22 | Guerin | fli7e: please don't use public away messages |
| 07:41.28 | fli7e | Guerin, okay |
| 07:41.32 | Guerin | fli7e: or we get to hurt you with sharp things |
| 07:41.39 | nvz | juice`: promisc mode makes it accept all packets.. now if there is hardware inbetween filtering stuff out thats different.. what mode your nic in plays no role in what is being sent to it |
| 07:41.42 | dominicano | dvm1981__, :D |
| 07:42.10 | ricercar | Guerin: Great! Trying that now ... 'bye for now |
| 07:42.11 | juice` | nvz: any way to check it? this is server in remote destination |
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| 07:42.36 | nvz | juice`: check what? to see if you are only getting your packets? |
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| 07:42.49 | juice` | nvz: yes |
| 07:42.59 | juice` | nvz: well, i guess i can run tcpdump :) |
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| 07:43.14 | nvz | juice`: packet saniff in promisc mode with tcpdump or something.. and if you need it, netdude is a graphical packet analyser that helps in reading the data |
| 07:43.25 | fli7e | Guerin, jsut out of curiosity, what exactly is on the other dvd |
| 07:43.26 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i remember that on the 'wikipedia' (in Dutch not German) there was really good references to the most book that we can try it for 24hours |
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| 07:43.45 | Guerin | fli7e: more stuff which most people won't need, and if they do, they can download. |
| 07:43.58 | fli7e | thanks again |
| 07:43.59 | juice` | nvz: well i run tcpdump -n host ! my_ip and i turned on promisc |
| 07:44.02 | juice` | i hope it should be enough |
| 07:44.03 | dominicano | dvm1981__,I gonna look it |
| 07:44.24 | keherman | how do i set KDE to be the default login via KDM for every user on the system, but let them override this by manually choosing if they want at the login screen? |
| 07:44.29 | nvz | juice`: good luck, I am going to fetch some boxes out of the warehouse.. make it appear as though I am doing saome work |
| 07:44.31 | dominicano | dvm1981__,thanks a lot, i prefer in spanish |
| 07:44.35 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i let you search on it ? its really great wikipedia personally |
| 07:44.42 | Guerin | keherman: that should be the default |
| 07:44.43 | Dewi | what does /usr/ actually stand for? What did that name originally refer to? |
| 07:45.00 | keherman | Guerin, yes but how do i initially set KDE to be the default? |
| 07:45.02 | Guerin | Dewi: Unix System Resources, but there is some argument |
| 07:45.09 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, yes but it was for the link, ok i search it and if i find it i paste it here |
| 07:45.13 | Guerin | keherman: it should be set to default ALREADY |
| 07:45.15 | keherman | Dewi, oh i read about that on wikipedia |
| 07:45.34 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok |
| 07:45.54 | Dewi | Guerin: thanks. just needed something for a mnemonic, so I don't think of it as "user" |
| 07:45.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:46.04 | Dewi | Guerin: but I've read it as "user" for 10 years. Hope I can change. |
| 07:46.21 | Guerin | homily(dog, tricks) |
| 07:46.29 | keherman | Guerin, yes but i think it is set to Gnome, and I want to change it to KDE |
| 07:46.38 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Look on the bottom of the page http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programmeertaal%29 |
| 07:46.45 | keherman | Guerin, these used to be RHEL3 workstations |
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| 07:46.48 | Guerin | keherman: huh. You can set it from kcontrol, I reckon. |
| 07:46.53 | Guerin | keherman: eep. |
| 07:46.57 | keherman | Guerin, globally for all users? |
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| 07:47.33 | Guerin | keherman: yeah, all stuff you set for kdm will affect all users. |
| 07:47.41 | keherman | Guerin, yeah they sucked -- but now Gnome 2.12 is so up to date, that on first login with the new Gnome it mungs all the user's desktop settings |
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| 07:47.48 | Guerin | keherman: since no user is logged on at the point where kdm is relevant |
| 07:48.26 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I gonna check it, one more time, thanks |
| 07:48.30 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Find it ? by the external links, there are a link where you can try the most good books about Python |
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| 07:49.51 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, So you can dowload the most books, after 24hours you must be erase it, but thats you're problem |
| 07:50.26 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I must erase it? |
| 07:50.31 | Dewi | Guerin: where are you from? |
| 07:50.47 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, normally yes, but ... |
| 07:50.52 | dominicano | dvm1981__, if I don't wanna? |
| 07:51.15 | dominicano | dvm1981__, or, if I print it? |
| 07:51.18 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, yes i come be you and erase it ;-) |
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| 07:52.08 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, i gonna erase it, thanks for the advice |
| 07:52.15 | Guerin | Dewi: Planet Earth, Sol System, The Milky Way |
| 07:52.32 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, I have strange principes, when i have the money for, i buy one after one, i have really less money +- 650 Euro per month where i must pay 430 for the house renting |
| 07:52.36 | Dewi | Guerin: I find that hard to believe. |
| 07:52.49 | Guerin | Dewi: many do. |
| 07:53.00 | wathek | BIOS = Basic I/O System or Service ? |
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| 07:53.23 | Guerin | system |
| 07:53.29 | wathek | ok |
| 07:53.30 | wathek | ;) |
| 07:53.31 | dominicano | dvm1981__, wow, is very expensive the rent there! |
| 07:54.06 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, So i have here really a tons of books, and would like to buy some others, but the money is not there at this moment |
| 07:54.31 | zimnyx | Do you know any command-line mail reader? (i liked PINE very much, but it's rathe rnot for SMTP) |
| 07:54.46 | Guerin | zimnyx: mutt |
| 07:54.47 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, I live around Brussels, it not really expensive IF i look to the other rentings FI |
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| 07:54.58 | Guerin | zimnyx: if you run a local smtp server |
| 07:55.06 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes, you are right |
| 07:55.06 | Guerin | if you don't, go back to windows |
| 07:55.32 | dvm1981__ | Guerin, lol |
| 07:57.10 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, its a one sleep room ! So imaginate the average here are not less that 550 euro at month for a 2 sleep room and the rest |
| 07:57.12 | zimnyx | Guerin: I don't use windows for a few years now... |
| 07:57.26 | zimnyx | Guerin: is there any for remote smtp server? |
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| 07:57.41 | Guerin | zimnyx: set up your loacal smtp server to relay through a smarthost |
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| 07:58.13 | dominicano | dvm1981__, here we have tree sleep room, and it cost 220 euros |
| 07:58.17 | dvm1981__ | zimnyx, I hope never back again to, but ... if there was not Windows ? What about GNU/Linux ? |
| 07:58.42 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, In wish land are you ? |
| 07:58.52 | dominicano | dvm1981__, the rent is a cheap here, with 450 for the rent, you can live in a house with pool here |
| 07:58.57 | zimnyx | dvm1981__: i don;t follow you. |
| 07:59.15 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I live in dominican republic |
| 07:59.16 | dvm1981__ | zimnyx Guerin: I don't use windows for a few years now... |
| 07:59.16 | dvm1981__ | zimnyx Guerin: is there any for remote smtp server? |
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| 07:59.50 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:00.09 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Its on the other side of the world man :-) |
| 08:00.47 | dominicano | dvm1981__, jjj : ) |
| 08:01.05 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Know you where are located Belgium ? |
| 08:01.20 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, It so small ... |
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| 08:01.47 | zimnyx | Guerin: i don;t want any emails to be stored on localhost. |
| 08:01.56 | Guerin | zimnyx: you needn't. |
| 08:02.05 | dominicano | dvm1981__, i know where is it |
| 08:02.21 | zimnyx | Guerin: so what is a purpose of local smtp? |
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| 08:02.23 | dominicano | dvm1981__, here Bélgica is a famous country |
| 08:02.36 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, It really nice that we can talk with people from every where |
| 08:02.38 | Guerin | zimnyx: to send your email to a remote smtpd |
| 08:02.43 | Guerin | zimnyx: obviously. |
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| 08:03.03 | rutski89 | How Should i install an xserver on stable? |
| 08:03.16 | Guerin | rutski89: aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 08:03.20 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes! you are right, but i'm not a people, i'm a bot |
| 08:03.22 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, I do not really know, im not there :-) |
| 08:03.26 | zimnyx | Guerin: i see. What server would you recomment for easy config? |
| 08:03.36 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I just kiddin |
| 08:03.41 | Guerin | zimnyx: exim4 is installed by default |
| 08:03.52 | dominicano | dvm1981__, Belgium is Bélgica in spanish |
| 08:04.00 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Ok |
| 08:04.07 | rutski89 | Guerin, ty |
| 08:04.13 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, I had understand it :-) |
| 08:04.43 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, know you dpkg ? |
| 08:05.02 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, He is a bot, you're not, i hope |
| 08:05.20 | hullabaloo | hey |
| 08:05.26 | hullabaloo | where can i put local dns entrys into the machine? |
| 08:05.33 | hullabaloo | to save it looking up a dns server |
| 08:05.38 | dominicano | dvm1981__, hmm, |
| 08:05.40 | hullabaloo | much like a windows HOSTS file |
| 08:05.42 | stew | hullabaloo: /etc/hosts |
| 08:05.49 | stew | hullabaloo: man 5 hosts |
| 08:06.07 | dominicano | dvm1981__, it was a joke, : ) |
| 08:06.54 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, That i had understand that you're not a bot, have you talk some time to dpkg ? really nice to ask him things |
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| 08:08.24 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I have my own inteligent artificial program in my pc |
| 08:09.09 | dominicano | dvm1981__, so, if you can't have theses books in your pc... |
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| 08:09.22 | dominicano | dvm1981__, can you have downloaded music? |
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| 08:10.15 | keherman | anyone know how KDM detects that there are other desktop envs available to use? |
| 08:10.15 | myren | my terminal window isnt resizing |
| 08:10.20 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, everyone can do it, with 200GB HDD i have not enougth, i have a little bit movies -> debconf, thats alle |
| 08:10.26 | myren | i change the window size and it still uses the old coumn setting |
| 08:10.32 | myren | how do i amke it auto-column-width? |
| 08:10.43 | stew | myren: type "resize" |
| 08:10.43 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok |
| 08:11.28 | zimnyx | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:12.03 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, im more interested in things to learn, so i test mush thing that takes a lots of space so i sacrify other things to hope |
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| 08:12.36 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Why this question ? |
| 08:12.49 | myren | stew: any way to make that automatic? thanks a million tho! |
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| 08:13.14 | dominicano | dvm1981__, because, you sayed that you can't have theses book |
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| 08:13.21 | myren | i've never had to use resize before |
| 08:13.26 | stew | myren: i'm not sure why its not automatic for you |
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| 08:13.39 | stew | myren: you might try "reset" that "fixes stuff" sometimes |
| 08:14.14 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, install a 'peer to peer' an you get what you want, or google, the Internet in general, but the internet are not there to use it to abuse some other things |
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| 08:14.42 | myren | its just this one system i log in to, its not like anything is "messed up", its just always been kooky |
| 08:14.52 | dominicano | dvm1981__, Ok , i get it |
| 08:15.23 | stew | myren: so it happens when you are sshed into this one system? |
| 08:15.51 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Im really not in the spirit for piraterie, illegal soft etc and so... |
| 08:15.54 | dominicano | dvm1981__, this link in wikipedia, is in deutch |
| 08:16.16 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Dutch, not the same language |
| 08:16.33 | dominicano | dvm1981__, are you from deutchland? |
| 08:16.51 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, No Belgium, near be |
| 08:17.10 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok |
| 08:17.14 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Dutch and Deutch are not the same language |
| 08:17.24 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, but similar? |
| 08:17.51 | fireba11 | dominicano: a bit |
| 08:18.03 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, It's a language to comunicate, like Python comunicate with the comp |
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| 08:18.22 | dominicano | dvm1981__, so, english is not your native language? |
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| 08:19.10 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Really not, i have learn it be my self, so that there are many faults here; im leave the school to 'vroeg' |
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| 08:19.29 | dominicano | what is vroeg? |
| 08:19.42 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, im thinking about it; to translate |
| 08:20.04 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, is similar to school? |
| 08:20.09 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Im go of the school of the 4de; so i have not one diplome or sush else |
| 08:20.20 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, no |
| 08:20.43 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, I have leave it to fast of the school and not be done al my study's |
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| 08:21.27 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, i get it |
| 08:21.29 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, But if you would like; i can communicate in three languages; dutch, french and little bit english |
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| 08:21.46 | dominicano | dvm1981__, so, no in spanish? |
| 08:22.01 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, no; a next one ?? |
| 08:22.21 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, :-) |
| 08:22.55 | shad0w1e | !nvidia |
| 08:22.56 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 08:23.25 | dominicano | dvm1981__, spanish is easy |
| 08:24.20 | shad0w1e | could someone help me with installing NVIDIA on Debian? "The Debian Way" didn't work, so I went ahead and used the NVIDIA installer, which actually gave me working drivers, but I think some of my symlinks aren't properly configured... anyone know about this? Thanks |
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| 08:24.28 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i do not know. I must learn it ;-) But its all really dificult to try to manage 3 language; that are a really problem some time for me |
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| 08:25.57 | dvm1981__ | shad0w1e, so you have asked to dpkg; and he say it; so i must reinstall it or so because i have use these from the web on one machine here; and that was really easy, The debian way; i do not know how to |
| 08:26.06 | dominicano | dvm1981__, i understand it |
| 08:26.17 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: what about the debian way didn't work |
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| 08:26.27 | Zoomie23 | Can anyone help me with Realplayer setup...no sound!! |
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| 08:27.33 | Zoomie23 | Running KDE...killed artsd but still no sound...even video plays |
| 08:27.37 | dvm1981__ | Zoomie23, in other apps that works ? |
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| 08:27.52 | Zoomie23 | yes...problem is only with realplayer |
| 08:28.41 | shad0w1e | nvidia: Unknown symbol register_ioctl32_conversion |
| 08:28.41 | shad0w1e | nvidia: Unknown symbol unregister_ioctl32_conversion |
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| 08:28.53 | shad0w1e | SerajewelKS, thats what about it |
| 08:28.55 | pif | hi, is there a way to keep firefox prefs under revision control? the problem is that the firefox pref dir differs on each installation |
| 08:28.57 | bse | hi |
| 08:28.58 | dvm1981__ | Zoomie23, i have some troubles here on the laptop to get sound running; realplayer on an other computer has also fail it; but i have not look for what; i have some things to setup before |
| 08:29.06 | bse | nick /freebse |
| 08:29.15 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: what specifically failed when you used the nvidia one-liner? |
| 08:29.24 | freebse | msg nickserv identify c82 |
| 08:29.27 | pif | ~/.mozilla/firefox/<radom.upredictable.shit>/ |
| 08:29.54 | shad0w1e | I got an error when trying to load the module, and it told me to check dmesg, and thats what dmesg gave me |
| 08:30.13 | Zoomie23 | mp3 crashes the player and unable to run any "rm" file or line |
| 08:30.14 | shad0w1e | using the nvidia installer actually got me into X with 3D acceleration on... |
| 08:30.46 | freebse | hi I got a problem with xserver, no matter what I do, I can't get it to work (with GF4 TI 4200)... nv, nvidia, vesa works... I had this once and solved it somhow... maybe someone got an idea thx a lot |
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| 08:31.45 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: you mean dmesg is telling you to check dmesg? |
| 08:31.51 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: not sure exactly what you're saying |
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| 08:32.51 | shad0w1e | no that was from dmesg |
| 08:33.07 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: WHAT was from dmesg? |
| 08:33.12 | shad0w1e | look, the point is that it didnt work! Everything installed fine |
| 08:33.16 | rutski89 | How come MANPATH doesn't show up when i do env? how does man know where to look? |
| 08:33.21 | shad0w1e | as the debian way said it should, no error messages |
| 08:33.28 | shad0w1e | then when I tried to load the module it didnt work |
| 08:33.34 | shad0w1e | those two lines I pasted in were from dmesg |
| 08:33.44 | shad0w1e | when I used the nvidia installer I got working drivers... |
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| 08:33.53 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: i didn't see you paste anything |
| 08:33.56 | shad0w1e | oh |
| 08:34.03 | shad0w1e | nvidia: Unknown symbol register_ioctl32_conversion |
| 08:34.03 | shad0w1e | nvidia: Unknown symbol unregister_ioctl32_conversion |
| 08:34.10 | shad0w1e | those two lines |
| 08:34.16 | buu | So um, I'm having a problem with my sound. My install automatically found the sound card and loaded the modules (snd_ac97_codec and so on), my mixer shows volumes at around 80%, but when I mpg123 things, I get no sound |
| 08:34.43 | dvm1981__ | buu, he is muted |
| 08:34.53 | buu | dvm1981__: Eh? |
| 08:34.56 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: are you on a 64-bit architecture? |
| 08:34.59 | shad0w1e | yes I am |
| 08:35.11 | shad0w1e | 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 |
| 08:35.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:35.17 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:35.37 | Rangitoto | I do my backups by hard disk cloning using Norton Ghost. I tried using such a backup copy and got an "Error 17" message from GRUB. Is there any way of avoiding this problem? |
| 08:35.38 | dvm1981__ | buu, he indicate that the volume are on X% but he is mutted |
| 08:35.45 | buu | dvm1981__: How do I change that? |
| 08:35.54 | dvm1981__ | buu, alsamixer |
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| 08:36.32 | dvm1981__ | buu, pressing on the 'm' key to unmut |
| 08:36.33 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: don't use norton ghost, but dd |
| 08:36.40 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: or www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 08:36.46 | buu | dvm1981__: If I press the m key it says "off" |
| 08:36.56 | Rangitoto | tarzeau: What's dd? |
| 08:36.57 | dvm1981__ | buu, press again |
| 08:36.58 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: you might consider filing a bug against nvidia-kernel-source |
| 08:37.03 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: man dd, also see sdd |
| 08:37.20 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: it sounds like there's a 32-bit call that your kernel doesn't support, and the packaged driver requires it. |
| 08:37.31 | dvm1981__ | buu, so it's on, look for the rest with left and right directions |
| 08:37.36 | shad0w1e | interesting. |
| 08:37.50 | buu | dvm1981__: Yeah, I turned everything on except 'microphone', no chagne. |
| 08:37.51 | shad0w1e | well when I used the nvidia installer, they asked me about installing OpenGL 32-bit |
| 08:38.11 | shad0w1e | they said they dont think the OS will know what to do with it.... or s/t like that |
| 08:38.15 | shad0w1e | but i installed it anyway |
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| 08:38.22 | dvm1981__ | buu, 'alsactl store' to save config |
| 08:38.35 | stew | buu: do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 08:38.44 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: likely the debian problem is just an untested 64-bit thing. make sure you mention your hardware specs (CPU, GPU, mobo, etc) |
| 08:38.53 | dvm1981__ | stew, hey ;-) |
| 08:38.58 | buu | dvm1981__: Ok. |
| 08:39.07 | shad0w1e | so ur saying nobody tried to get Nvidia working on debian 64 before me? |
| 08:39.12 | nvz | Rangitoto: its a program that converts and copies data, or a debian developer, or a double density disk |
| 08:39.27 | stew | converts? |
| 08:39.29 | shad0w1e | perhaps they used the "generic" kernel whereas Im using K8 |
| 08:39.33 | nvz | stew: man dd |
| 08:39.37 | buu | stew: snd_mixer_oss 17536 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 08:39.39 | shad0w1e | also Im using a supposedly unsupported chipset or s/t |
| 08:39.47 | shad0w1e | ive heard people say its unsupported |
| 08:39.51 | shad0w1e | GeForce 6100 |
| 08:39.57 | stew | nvz: whaddya know |
| 08:39.58 | shad0w1e | u know, its integrated |
| 08:40.04 | nvz | stew: heh |
| 08:40.09 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: make sure you mention that in your bug report |
| 08:40.20 | shad0w1e | should I bother with the bug report? |
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| 08:40.31 | shad0w1e | Ive never made one before, not sure where to go, how to go, etc |
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| 08:40.57 | shad0w1e | I also found some homemade patches in some forums somewhere but I didnt bother with those |
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| 08:41.06 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: type 'reportbug' |
| 08:41.12 | shad0w1e | !reportbug |
| 08:41.12 | dpkg | methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 08:41.16 | shad0w1e | reportbug |
| 08:41.29 | SerajewelKS | shad0w1e: in your shell |
| 08:41.34 | shad0w1e | oh lol |
| 08:41.39 | shad0w1e | lollerz |
| 08:41.40 | stew | huh? reportbug for the nvidia installer? |
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| 08:42.02 | SerajewelKS | stew: he was getting errors with the debian package |
| 08:42.24 | SerajewelKS | stew: the issue with the nvidia installer is possible missing symlinks. i'm not touching that one. |
| 08:42.45 | tomwys | hi, how to change default locale settings for one account? |
| 08:42.55 | stew | ok, i saw "nvidia installer" and warning lights started blinking somewhere |
| 08:42.59 | jm_ | tomwys: set LANG |
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| 08:43.06 | mhall | how can i delete a footer in an ooo 2.x.x document? |
| 08:43.11 | nvz | I am working on a 115x13 char terminal.. am I crazy or what? :P |
| 08:43.26 | SerajewelKS | stew: yeah here too. it's working for him i guess, but apparently the debian package has 64-bit compatibility issues. |
| 08:43.33 | stew | !nvzdrink nvz |
| 08:43.44 | tomwys | i'm using fluxbox and when i add "export LANG=something" to start script, its, dosn |
| 08:43.45 | tomwys | t |
| 08:43.46 | tomwys | work |
| 08:43.51 | buu | So should I be using alsa instead? |
| 08:43.56 | jm_ | what start script? |
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| 08:44.05 | buu | Is snd_oss alsa? |
| 08:44.06 | rutski89 | Sometimes when i install a package i see a "suggested" files thing, but sometimes i miss it, and i don't know how to check it again |
| 08:44.16 | mhall | nvz: oof |
| 08:44.16 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: apt-cache show packagename |
| 08:44.23 | stew | buu: snd* is alsa |
| 08:44.43 | stew | buu: if alsamixer worked at all you have alsa modules loaded |
| 08:44.44 | tomwys | in fluxbox configuration (session.screen0.rootCommand: ~/.fluxbox/start) |
| 08:44.54 | buu | stew: Ok then, so why do you suppose I lack sound output/ |
| 08:44.59 | jm_ | not sure if that's going to work - how do you start X? |
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| 08:45.11 | stew | buu: if you also have oss modules loaded that could be your problem, what card do you have and what drivers are loaded for it? |
| 08:45.33 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, cool, thanks |
| 08:45.33 | buu | snd_ac97_codec |
| 08:45.46 | tomwys | jm_: init.d script |
| 08:45.51 | nvz | dpkg, cmd: nvzdrink (.*?) ~= s/a cup|a litre/a cup of|a litre of/ |
| 08:45.56 | dvm1981__ | stew, Thats also my problem i think; like you have say it before, but i have not listen |
| 08:46.05 | nvz | dpkg, cmd: nvzdrink (.*?) =~ s/a cup|a litre/a cup of|a litre of/ |
| 08:46.06 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 08:46.09 | jm_ | tomwys: as in dm? |
| 08:46.11 | buu | stew: It's a phillips something. |
| 08:46.15 | narinux | which the list of speaks of kernel |
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| 08:46.55 | stew | buu: can you paste the output of "lspci" and "lsmod" into a pastebin? |
| 08:47.23 | buu | In theory.. |
| 08:47.35 | narinux | which the list of speaks of kernel ? |
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| 08:47.46 | stew | speaks? |
| 08:47.58 | tomwys | jm_:"dm" - i don't understend this short |
| 08:47.59 | jetscreamer | lsmod |
| 08:48.03 | jm_ | tomwys: display manager |
| 08:48.05 | narinux | staniel, to argue |
| 08:48.19 | tomwys | jm_:yes |
| 08:48.31 | jetscreamer | narinux: lsmod? list modules? |
| 08:48.44 | buu | stew: sial.org/pbot/15607 and 15608 |
| 08:48.48 | narinux | jetscreamer, no |
| 08:48.55 | jetscreamer | :( i tried |
| 08:49.11 | narinux | list development kernel |
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| 08:49.50 | jm_ | tomwys: ok, there are PAM modules that can be used to do per-user configurations, but I don't think they are available in Debian - alternatively, create a new session for your DM and try to set it in there |
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| 08:50.00 | dvm1981__ | really know, im not there :-) |
| 08:50.00 | dvm1981__ | zimnyx Guerin: i see. What server would you recomment for easy config? |
| 08:50.00 | dvm1981__ | dominicano dvm1981__, I just kiddin |
| 08:50.00 | dvm1981__ | Guerin zimnyx: exim4 is installed by default |
| 08:50.00 | dvm1981__ | dominicano dvm1981__, Belgium is Bélgica in spanish |
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| 08:50.12 | stew | buu: that all looks good to me |
| 08:50.17 | Kromik | hh |
| 08:50.20 | Kromik | ,, |
| 08:50.22 | Kromik | hh |
| 08:50.32 | buu | stew: Hmph. |
| 08:50.43 | dominicano | dvm1981__, XD |
| 08:51.01 | stew | buu: are you sure of stuff like the speakers are plugged into the right place? |
| 08:51.06 | buu | Well |
| 08:51.08 | dominicano | dvm1981__, 04:50 am, i need to sleep... |
| 08:51.12 | buu | I've tried all the plugs on the sound card |
| 08:51.17 | stew | buu: tried something simple like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 08:51.18 | buu | And when I swap plugs I hear noise fromt he speakers |
| 08:51.19 | narinux | or list to argue development for debian |
| 08:51.25 | Kromik | gys what areyoiu doing |
| 08:51.36 | jetscreamer | ahh mailing list for kernels |
| 08:51.36 | Kromik | are you fans of 50cent |
| 08:51.37 | dominicano | dvm1981__, is correct to do a upgrade from sarge to unstable? |
| 08:51.40 | stew | buu: if they are color coded, you generally want the green ones |
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| 08:51.48 | buu | I'm in the green one |
| 08:52.29 | narinux | jetscreamer, yes |
| 08:52.31 | dvm1981__ | Sorry people, a bad thing with the synaptic touchpad, it's normally desactivate, but he is go on now; |
| 08:52.43 | shad0w1e | question: how do I change my debian off of UTC time mode? |
| 08:52.47 | jetscreamer | narinux: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 08:53.00 | stew | shad0w1e: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 08:53.00 | dominicano | dvm1981__, is correct to do a upgrade from sarge to unstable? |
| 08:53.08 | Guerin | shad0w1e: tzconfig |
| 08:53.10 | ricercar | Guerin: I tried "echo snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modules && reboot" but XMMS was silent after rebooting. I then remoived the same line and rebooted again. alsamixer now starts without complaint but XMMS remains silent. My question: What could have become permanently broken by the (subsequently removed) "snd-intel8x0" line in /etc/modules? |
| 08:53.13 | stew | dominicano: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 08:53.20 | mhall | is there a more updated version of xpdf that doesn't have such a sparse ancient interface |
| 08:53.39 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, try first 'Testing' if you feel that you have take to power of knowledges |
| 08:53.43 | tomwys | jm_:i try, one more question: how to set it when i'm starting X from console (startx) |
| 08:53.43 | stew | mhall: evince isn't bad |
| 08:53.45 | shad0w1e | stew, thanks worked. how do I restart time? |
| 08:53.53 | shad0w1e | Guerin, sorry that doesnt do it... : ) |
| 08:53.55 | stew | shad0w1e: try to cause another big bang |
| 08:54.04 | jm_ | tomwys: doing it in ~/.xsession script should work |
| 08:54.06 | dimir | iyhtays...sounds like finnish. |
| 08:54.07 | shad0w1e | lol |
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| 08:54.24 | dimir | yhtays would be, no? |
| 08:54.26 | tomwys | jm_:thx |
| 08:54.27 | shad0w1e | BBBBBB AAAAAAAAA NNNNNNN GGGGGGGGGGG~!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:54.36 | shad0w1e | dammit, time didnt restart... |
| 08:55.10 | stew | shad0w1e: date -s to set the clock to something close, /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart to get it exact once it is close |
| 08:55.14 | mhall | stew: i always thought xpdf was the only one ;-) |
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| 08:55.38 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, thanks |
| 08:55.40 | shad0w1e | I dont have ntpdate installed... |
| 08:55.48 | fireba11 | shad0w1e: do a ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 08:56.06 | shad0w1e | no ntpdate |
| 08:56.08 | stew | shad0w1e: install ntpdate ntp-simple |
| 08:56.15 | fireba11 | shad0w1e: can't you jsut install it ? |
| 08:56.18 | shad0w1e | i could just restart... |
| 08:56.39 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Stay with Stable so lang as you needed, do not jump to 'unstable', first a level higher; |
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| 08:56.47 | shad0w1e | I'm on unstable : ) |
| 08:57.14 | shad0w1e | unstable picks up my ethernet controller SOMETIMES, whereas stable never picks it up.... dont ask! |
| 08:57.20 | dominicano | dvm1981__, i wanna upgrade to testing, can I ? |
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| 08:57.52 | ejofee | is there any provider that does what mailinator does, but, instead of receiving, it allows for sending mail? |
| 08:58.20 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Yes that can, i also on 'Testing' i find it verry well like Sarge; but some time i know to less i find... |
| 08:59.01 | stew | shad0w1e: uhhh, i'm asking. what NIC? |
| 08:59.20 | dvm1981__ | dominica, If you would like to experiment; and have another computer to test it. Addapt just you '/etc/apt/source.list' |
| 08:59.31 | shad0w1e | nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a1) |
| 08:59.49 | shad0w1e | with the old kernel it doesn't pick up. with the new one it always picks up, but doesn always "work" |
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| 09:00.06 | dominicano | dvm1981__, so, i gonna try with testing |
| 09:00.08 | SimonRaven | 'sources.list' |
| 09:00.29 | jm_ | Shadur: which kernel are you using? |
| 09:00.29 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, by replacing all the words 'Stable' to 'Testing'. Then 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 09:00.30 | stew | shad0w1e: yuck, nvidia, anyway, you know you could just run a newer kernel on stable or testing instead of unstable... |
| 09:00.32 | jetscreamer | network interface card |
| 09:00.34 | jm_ | shad0w1e ^^^^^ |
| 09:00.36 | jetscreamer | nic |
| 09:00.50 | shad0w1e | yes, |
| 09:01.07 | jetscreamer | oh i thought it was 'what is nic' |
| 09:01.08 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 09:01.24 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, So it's really possible that when you are migrate, that you are there in a place that you not know; really not evident |
| 09:01.30 | jetscreamer | my engrish is faulty |
| 09:01.47 | stew | jetscreamer: this seems to be a good place to improve it |
| 09:01.50 | jetscreamer | and i didn't mean that in a bad way |
| 09:02.12 | jetscreamer | yep at least tonight it is |
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| 09:02.44 | dvm1981__ | jetscreamer, Sorry if you are talking about my wrong english |
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| 09:02.57 | jetscreamer | dvm1981__: no i'm talking about my lack of comprehension |
| 09:03.33 | dvm1981__ | jetscreamer, come back again here, and you learn really a lot's of things; Debian, english, ... |
| 09:03.38 | wathek | sln = ln -s ? |
| 09:03.42 | stew | en_YODA |
| 09:03.54 | dvm1981__ | wathek, an alias ? |
| 09:04.07 | jetscreamer | thanks dvm1981__ |
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| 09:04.12 | wathek | dvm1981__, I'm asking if sln do the same thing as ln -s ? |
| 09:04.13 | ricercar | dvm1981_: and Debienglish |
| 09:04.20 | ricercar | :) |
| 09:04.21 | dvm1981__ | wathek, sorry |
| 09:04.24 | wathek | :) |
| 09:04.37 | dominicano | dvm1981__, i gonna keep sarge |
| 09:04.40 | jetscreamer | ln -sn does not do the same as ls -sn |
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| 09:04.46 | jetscreamer | err ln -s |
| 09:04.48 | dominicano | dvm1981__, i've chaged my mind |
| 09:04.48 | dvm1981__ | jetscreamer, i have learn a lot's of things here; a verry lot's |
| 09:05.01 | jetscreamer | one makes a hard link the other soft |
| 09:05.07 | jetscreamer | sn is soft i think |
| 09:05.20 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I gonna take a nap, here is 05:05 am |
| 09:05.21 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, that's right man, when you are go to go to 'Testing', you feel it ... |
| 09:05.25 | wathek | jetscreamer, huh ? |
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| 09:05.44 | stew | jetscreamer: one gives you a link, the other gives you a directory listing |
| 09:05.54 | wathek | jetscreamer, man sln says that sln make static links |
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| 09:06.00 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Come back again where you are done ;-) |
| 09:06.06 | jetscreamer | ln -sn make a soft link ln -s make a hard link, iirc |
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| 09:06.17 | SimonRaven | no |
| 09:06.20 | jetscreamer | and if you delete the hard you delete the file it's linked to |
| 09:06.28 | SimonRaven | ln hard link, ln -s symlink |
| 09:06.28 | jm_ | no, -s = soft |
| 09:06.29 | jetscreamer | ah ok i'm worng |
| 09:06.33 | ricercar | jetscreamer: ln -s makes soft links |
| 09:06.40 | wathek | jetscreamer, I'm asking if sln do the same thing as ln -s ?? |
| 09:06.52 | wathek | jetscreamer, am not asking about static and hard links |
| 09:07.02 | SimonRaven | wathek: then rtfm |
| 09:07.06 | jetscreamer | okie i'll just surf more |
| 09:07.31 | wathek | static link = symbolic link = soft link ?? |
| 09:07.35 | wathek | is that's right ? |
| 09:07.42 | dimir | No. |
| 09:07.51 | dimir | static != symbolic |
| 09:08.04 | wathek | what's a static link ? |
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| 09:08.23 | dimir | If you mean the filesystem, there is no such thing. |
| 09:08.26 | dvm1981__ | jetscreamer, Read some things here without reply, so learning the language |
| 09:08.46 | dimir | for the filesystem there is either symbolic or hard link. |
| 09:08.51 | dominicano | dvm1981__, c'ya man, nice -5 meet you |
| 09:09.03 | dvm1981__ | jetscreamer, so you are not obligate to leave it here, |
| 09:09.18 | jetscreamer | thank you dvm1981__ i'll hang out a while then |
| 09:09.20 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Hope i see you here again man ;-) |
| 09:09.27 | jetscreamer | and i don't mean that in a bad way either |
| 09:09.37 | dimir | wathek: applications can be statically linked (include the actual code) with the libraries. |
| 09:09.46 | wathek | dimir, ah ok |
| 09:09.50 | dominicano | dvm1981__, do you use gaim ? |
| 09:09.51 | dvm1981__ | jetscreamer, no problem |
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| 09:10.36 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, euh, no i used before amsn but i really not like it to chat; but when here that comme good :-) |
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| 09:11.07 | Laibsch | !java |
| 09:11.07 | dpkg | java is probably Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 09:11.11 | dominicano | dvm1981__, i would like to add u to my buddy list |
| 09:11.18 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, forget it, see you later |
| 09:11.19 | Laibsch | !install java |
| 09:11.19 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 09:11.27 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, im really not an 'chattoman', i hate that normally, but irc on #debian is not really chatting; it's cultiving |
| 09:11.54 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, i get it |
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| 09:12.28 | dominicano | dvm1981__, see you later, and thanks for your advices about "unstable" |
| 09:12.46 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i have ask you private |
| 09:12.55 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, to give my mail |
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| 09:13.05 | Laibsch | !java-package |
| 09:13.06 | dpkg | java-package is probably a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 09:13.08 | nomad_cz | Hi. Sorry to ask here but in #apache everybody sleeps ;) Apache2 and Debian - I cannot see (in dir listing) protected folders or files. Everything works when I access it manually. Any ideas ? Thanks |
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| 09:14.10 | dominicano | dvm1981__, is ok, do it |
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| 09:15.03 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, have you see that other window that has opened ? |
| 09:15.58 | dominicano | dvm1981__, there is no window opened? |
| 09:16.04 | dominicano | dvm1981__, there is no window opened! |
| 09:16.32 | jetscreamer | dominicano: just /msg dvm1981__ then |
| 09:16.50 | dominicano | hi |
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| 09:17.17 | dvm1981__ | You have not see it near #debian ? |
| 09:17.32 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, You have not see it near #debian ? |
| 09:17.57 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, On the bottom of you're irc client |
| 09:18.16 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, depending of you're app |
| 09:18.29 | jm_ | please go to #dvm1981__-and-dominicano |
| 09:18.55 | dominicano | jajaj |
| 09:18.57 | dominicano | jajajaj |
| 09:18.58 | dvm1981__ | ok |
| 09:19.01 | dimir | lol |
| 09:19.08 | dominicano | lol |
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| 09:20.23 | CasinoLuv | I want to mount bind some dirs every time the machine boots where should I put the commands? |
| 09:20.32 | stew | CasinoLuv: man fstab |
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| 09:20.38 | jm_ | you can use bind option in fstab |
| 09:20.48 | CasinoLuv | thnks |
| 09:20.56 | Z_God | when I try to install amarok on Etch, I get an error that I need kdelib4, but I have kdelibs4c2a already, which is supposed to replace kdelibs4 |
| 09:21.02 | Z_God | what should I do? |
| 09:21.08 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, The next on, learn irc ;-) I would like to help you the next time you come here; so we try some private rooms or so, because you have not see the differents private conversations |
| 09:21.41 | jetscreamer | Z_God: me, i'd just wait on the upgrade... it will get sorted out eventually (we just went through that in sid) |
| 09:21.58 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i not know good irc; so that give me the change to learn it a bit better |
| 09:22.05 | Z_God | k, thx |
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| 09:22.30 | Z_God | somehow my xmms is segfaulting since I went from sarge to etch, which is why I wanted to try amarok |
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| 09:22.48 | jetscreamer | Z_God: it wasn't the speediest thing in sid, but hopefully won't take as long in etch |
| 09:23.11 | jetscreamer | xine plays cd's if you aint got nothin |
| 09:23.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:23.22 | dpkg | i heard qotd111 is <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
| 09:23.29 | Z_God | hehe, I haven't got any cds ;) |
| 09:23.53 | Z_God | kradio works though and kaboodle also seems to do it |
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| 09:24.02 | Nirgal | Z_God: try erasing ~/.xmms or better: rename it to try wityhout old content |
| 09:24.10 | Z_God | I already tried that |
| 09:24.39 | Z_God | it also crashes with a new test user |
| 09:25.01 | jetscreamer | i 'think' xine accepts streams but i forget.. vlc does iirc |
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| 09:25.46 | Jakc | hello |
| 09:25.47 | shad0w1e | how do I use apt-get to install an old version of something? |
| 09:26.03 | Jakc | apt-get program=version |
| 09:26.04 | jm_ | man apt-get explains that, as long as it can find the old version |
| 09:26.21 | shad0w1e | apt-get install program=version ? |
| 09:26.29 | jm_ | that was a bit confusing statement |
| 09:26.40 | Jakc | apt-get gaim=1.4.0 |
| 09:26.42 | jetscreamer | transport streams then? |
| 09:26.43 | Jakc | i guess... |
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| 09:27.14 | d4d0|work | hi all, how can i check the allowed size per user of usrquota on a specific partition? |
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| 09:27.34 | Jakc | i read a apt how-to this morning, and this is what i remember... i guess... hope it's right |
| 09:27.54 | Jakc | is it safe for a desktop system, like mine, to use debian unstable? |
| 09:28.05 | jetscreamer | Jakc: depends on you |
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| 09:28.10 | Jakc | i mean, what is the worst it could happen? |
| 09:28.13 | jetscreamer | me i'd say etch for desktop |
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| 09:28.25 | jetscreamer | you box could get hacked, theoretically |
| 09:28.35 | Jakc | don;t care so much about security |
| 09:28.37 | jetscreamer | but probably won't |
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| 09:28.56 | jetscreamer | i run sid just because i can't stand the old stuff... but that's just me. |
| 09:29.10 | marc_in_lux | good morning |
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| 09:29.42 | Jakc | i want to run unstable to have new shiny stuff, like firefox, kde 3.5 |
| 09:29.56 | dominicano | dvm1981__, I were downloading some files to upgrade to unstable, can i keep theses files? |
| 09:29.57 | Jakc | firefox 1.5 i mean |
| 09:30.05 | fireba11 | Jakc: the worst is that there could be a critical bug and you end up lossing data |
| 09:30.12 | Jakc | ouch |
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| 09:30.19 | Jakc | ever happend to you? |
| 09:30.20 | marc_in_lux | when I copy large files to an USB hard drive, load average shoots up to 10 or 12... |
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| 09:30.33 | SimonRaven | 'losing' |
| 09:30.33 | fireba11 | Jakc: i'm not using unstable |
| 09:30.34 | shad0w1e | how would I write = for version 1:0.11.15-4 ? |
| 09:30.42 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: typo |
| 09:30.51 | bibe | Jakc : consider using backports |
| 09:30.52 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, no switch from Stable to Unstable, the jump is to high i think |
| 09:30.53 | marc_in_lux | I can see in top that processing power is mostly consumed in 'wa'. Which I think is i/o waiting |
| 09:31.10 | fireba11 | shad0w1e: you just write the whole version number shown in apt-cache |
| 09:31.17 | jm_ | marc_in_lux: I/O wait causes high loads, so yes, it adds up |
| 09:31.18 | marc_in_lux | system is perfectly responsive... but I still wonder where this comes from...? |
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| 09:31.32 | marc_in_lux | and, can I dampen it a bit |
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| 09:31.49 | shad0w1e | fireball how do I get apt-cache to show me versions? |
| 09:31.50 | Jakc | but using unstable won't cause a total crash of the system that needs reinstall, right? |
| 09:31.52 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Try first 'Testing' -- Stable > Testing > Unstable (> Experimentat) |
| 09:31.56 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok, but "can i keep theses files" if I wanna instal a single app, for ex. Wget |
| 09:31.56 | marc_in_lux | I mail myself a warning when the system is under high load. |
| 09:32.27 | Jakc | shad0w1e: apt-cache search "ehatever" |
| 09:32.34 | Jakc | wihtout " |
| 09:32.36 | shad0w1e | that doesnt show version numbers |
| 09:32.51 | fireba11 | shad0w1e Jakc apt-cache show app |
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| 09:33.33 | Jakc | oh... ic |
| 09:33.33 | Jakc | ut using unstable won't cause a total crash of the system that needs reinstall, right? |
| 09:33.33 | SimonRaven | why are guessing instead of reading man pages? |
| 09:33.33 | SimonRaven | are you* |
| 09:33.46 | jetscreamer | Jakc: no not usually |
| 09:34.01 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i do not, i have not a 'Unstable' version, it's a really bad thing what you are doing there; you can broke the system with mess up diferent version without knowledges about it |
| 09:34.04 | Jakc | not *usually*? but it can happen? |
| 09:34.13 | jetscreamer | Jakc: usually all the problems you get is that some package dependencies mix up and either won't install or will uninstall stuff you like |
| 09:34.29 | jetscreamer | but anything can happen |
| 09:34.31 | Jakc | i can live with tthat |
| 09:34.42 | Jakc | hmm... ok, thanks for your help |
| 09:34.43 | jetscreamer | as long as you aren't clueless you should be ok |
| 09:34.44 | fireba11 | Jakc: sometimes there are broken packages .. |
| 09:34.52 | jm_ | or networking not working, or kernel being fubar, or ... |
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| 09:35.05 | jetscreamer | but remember that when it breaks you can't cry and moan :) |
| 09:35.07 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, In general; ask before doing that. Ok i know some people thinking that im then stupid; but take aware of some things that you not knoz |
| 09:35.08 | Jakc | but it's been fixed quick, right? |
| 09:35.09 | dvm1981__ | w |
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| 09:35.21 | Jakc | i mean, with a regular update, should be ok? |
| 09:35.22 | jetscreamer | quick is relative.. sometimes it can take a week |
| 09:35.32 | jetscreamer | sometimes a day |
| 09:35.36 | dominicano | dvm1981__, ok... |
| 09:35.39 | Jakc | seems fine to me |
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| 09:35.50 | Usiu | hi |
| 09:35.52 | Usiu | I have a problem with evolution 2.4 |
| 09:36.06 | Usiu | I cant add email address to new mail from contacts |
| 09:36.08 | jetscreamer | it 'can' be frustrating when you want something and can't get it to install.. but other than that it's ok |
| 09:36.11 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, scroll back this window other people also asking about the same subject |
| 09:36.35 | Usiu | evolution 2.4.2.1-1 |
| 09:36.41 | klarakarl | is there a way to get a list of packages I have installed from sid, Need to see what I need to downgrade to get back to sarge |
| 09:36.49 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 09:36.49 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 09:37.02 | tarzeau | klarakarl: ugh |
| 09:37.20 | Guerin | !downgrade |
| 09:37.20 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 09:37.21 | tarzeau | klarakarl: you know what, i'll write a script that tells you! |
| 09:37.27 | jetscreamer | easier to erase everything and reinstall imo |
| 09:37.29 | tarzeau | klarakarl: just for fun :) |
| 09:37.48 | klarakarl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.51 | shad0w1e | I just downgraded... |
| 09:37.59 | Jakc | is it safe to install, say, firefox 1.5 from sid into a etch system? |
| 09:38.09 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes, i see |
| 09:38.09 | valdyn | Jakc: no |
| 09:38.10 | shad0w1e | I did a dist-upgrade on sid and it installed the latest libvte-core, killing gnome |
| 09:38.11 | fireba11 | Jakc: nope |
| 09:38.14 | jetscreamer | to downgrade from sid to etch, just change sources and wait a few weeks |
| 09:38.14 | Guerin | Jakc: no. |
| 09:38.23 | Guerin | Jakc: use the mozilla.org binaries |
| 09:38.32 | shad0w1e | so I removed it, changed my repos to etch, reinstalled libvte-core |
| 09:38.37 | shad0w1e | and well, all is good now! |
| 09:38.40 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: hopefully :-) |
| 09:38.44 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Have you read the Debian Reference on the website ? |
| 09:39.04 | shad0w1e | k gnite people, thanks everyone for all the help! |
| 09:39.13 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes, I saw it... |
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| 09:39.48 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes, I'll keep it on sarge |
| 09:40.06 | shad0w1e | Thanks Jakc, fireball, SerajewelKS, and everyone else... :) |
| 09:40.09 | dominicano | but... i wanna install gnome 2.10 |
| 09:40.12 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, i have found another great site and seems really compleet about Debian; i think i have found the link on the Debian website in the books section |
| 09:40.45 | Jakc | Guerin: but if I get the binaries from mozilla, I think it will not work, due to some missing library |
| 09:41.09 | Guerin | Jakc: try it and see. |
| 09:41.11 | Guerin | it should work |
| 09:41.24 | Jakc | aren't u using firefox? |
| 09:41.26 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, If you would like to experiment a little bit more after take some good knowledges about the system. Go from Stable to Testing, and not jump over Testing to go Unstable |
| 09:41.26 | dominicano | but... i can't read right now, i'm very tired, but,,, i gonna look it at the morning |
| 09:41.54 | Guerin | Jakc: I run sid, because I'm stupid |
| 09:42.02 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes i'm thinking this |
| 09:42.07 | Guerin | and beause I can usually fix shit when it breaks |
| 09:42.16 | jetscreamer | and i run sid because i'm stupid and wanna be just like Guerin :o |
| 09:42.26 | dominicano | dvm1981__, yes i'm doing the upgrade to tensting |
| 09:42.30 | Jakc | come on, guys, just asking... |
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| 09:43.27 | Guerin | Jakc: we're just answering |
| 09:43.31 | jetscreamer | Jakc: it's UP2U. if you feel like you can handle it, just do it. try. accept that you might not like it, and be prepared to deal with it ON YOUR OWN... |
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| 09:43.39 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Testing is really great man; i would not force or give some influence; so that you switch from now on :-) Do what you would like to do, but i will advertise you about some troubles that can come up; |
| 09:43.46 | jetscreamer | so basically, that's all there is to it |
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| 09:44.10 | ricercar | Guerin: Perhaps you missed this? I tried "echo snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modules && reboot" but XMMS was silent after rebooting. I then remoived the same line and rebooted again. alsamixer now starts without complaint but XMMS remains silent. My question: What could have become permanently broken by the (subsequently removed) "snd-intel8x0" line in /etc/modules? |
| 09:44.35 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, Stable work really good; and that i have on the most computers at home; just laptop are in Testing and also the computers that i test in a virtual pc |
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| 09:44.40 | vin` | ricercar: unmute |
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| 09:45.14 | sett | heh my sound is always silent on a bsd box although the module is loaded and everythings seems to play right |
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| 09:46.01 | Guerin | ricercar: if you actually have an intel i810, that module is right for you |
| 09:46.06 | ricercar | vin`: the alsamixer controls aren't muted and vol. levels are sufficient (xmms was working before I modified - then unmodified - /etc/mudules) |
| 09:46.12 | fireba11 | hm . .sarge got new kernel versions ? they found serious bugs in it i expect ? |
| 09:46.17 | tralala | ricercar: maybe you have a conflict between the alsa and the oss module. Try blacklisting the oss module. |
| 09:46.17 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, In principe you must take some informations before switching; release notes etc ; |
| 09:46.27 | dvm1981__ | dominicano, In principe you must take some informations before switching; reading release notes etc ; |
| 09:47.29 | ricercar | Guerin tralala: I have the i810 chipset on the mboard |
| 09:47.56 | Guerin | ricercar: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 09:47.58 | bibe | fireba11 : debian security policies lead to a "frozen" kernel version (2.6.8) with all security patches applied. Actually, debian kernel version is 2.6.8-16sarge1 |
| 09:48.28 | valdyn | ricercar: have you installed debians alsa packages? |
| 09:48.42 | ricercar | Guerin: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 |
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| 09:49.10 | ricercar | vqaldyn: straight from the etch distro (via the netinstall CD) |
| 09:49.29 | ricercar | valdyn: straight from the etch distro (via the netinstall CD) |
| 09:49.33 | jm_ | some boards use snd-hda-intel |
| 09:49.36 | valdyn | ricercar: 'dpkg -l linux-sound-base' |
| 09:50.12 | ricercar | valdyn: status is 'ii' |
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| 09:50.37 | valdyn | ricercar: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' <- make sure alsa is picked |
| 09:51.00 | valdyn | ricercar: that should be all needed to blacklist OSS |
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| 09:51.42 | jetscreamer | well i never look at the installed list so i guess that's why |
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| 09:52.03 | valdyn | jetscreamer: makes choice of sound system dependent on that packages configuration instead of installing alsa-base or not or manually blacklisting oss or not, in sarge |
| 09:52.10 | ricercar | valdyn: "Sound system to use" already shows "ALSA" |
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| 09:52.43 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 09:52.45 | gau_ | hello all |
| 09:52.55 | jetscreamer | where was that when i needed it 6 months ago :) |
| 09:53.17 | gau_ | how do i install packages from both stable and unstable ? i remember something about masking .... |
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| 09:53.24 | valdyn | ricercar: have you selected the alsa output plugin in xmms? |
| 09:53.40 | jetscreamer | gau_: apt-pinning |
| 09:54.03 | gau_ | jetscreamer:tnx i will check it out |
| 09:54.18 | jetscreamer | dpkg has a factoid gau_ |
| 09:54.24 | djp | can anyone advise a decent cd burner package to run under gnome? using debian 3.1 sarge. |
| 09:54.35 | jetscreamer | k3b functions |
| 09:54.46 | jetscreamer | under gnome it functions |
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| 09:55.07 | jetscreamer | but it will req. kde stuff. not much though. |
| 09:55.09 | ricercar | valdyn: yes (previously "OSS"), but still no sound |
| 09:55.30 | gau_ | djp: i would have suggested xtoaster ... but its got stupid gui design ... |
| 09:55.31 | valdyn | ricercar: cat /proc/asound/devices |
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| 09:55.39 | jetscreamer | did you try/do you have/ that alsa-oss wrapper thing? |
| 09:55.58 | gau_ | and you spend hours and hours trying to figure out whats gone where .... somehow i don't like it any more ... |
| 09:56.11 | tarzeau | klarakarl: you still need to check right? |
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| 09:56.38 | ricercar | valdyn: waht do I look for? |
| 09:56.45 | dimir | Klara u Karla ukrala karally! |
| 09:56.49 | valdyn | ricercar: you paste the contents ( not here ) |
| 09:56.58 | ricercar | OK |
| 09:57.07 | gau_ | djp: if you already own nero you could get their burner for "free" under linux .... |
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| 09:57.26 | valdyn | ricercar: and try 'aplay' instead of xmms, like 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/whatever.wav' |
| 09:57.35 | jetscreamer | gnomebaker is the name of one... i never tried it though |
| 09:58.14 | valdyn | djp: graveman and gnomebaker are usuable. |
| 09:58.34 | ricercar | valdyn: which URL? |
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| 09:58.41 | valdyn | !pastebin |
| 09:58.42 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:58.46 | dvm1981__ | ricercar, Debian man |
| 09:58.53 | gau_ | even nero gui is based on some opensource burner ... not sure which one though |
| 09:59.14 | dvm1981__ | ricercar, 'apt-get install <package>' |
| 09:59.15 | gb | Anyone recently been able too compile a 2.4 kernel with sids gcc? |
| 09:59.18 | djp | cheers all |
| 09:59.29 | djp | will check some of those out. |
| 09:59.36 | valdyn | gb: unpossible |
| 09:59.37 | gb | or is it currently buggerred again? |
| 10:00.05 | dvm1981__ | ricercar, You know 'apt' ? |
| 10:00.28 | valdyn | gb: im not sure there's any effort at all to make 2.4 kernels compile with gcc-4.x |
| 10:01.00 | ricercar | valdyn: I can't find their paste pages |
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| 10:01.15 | dvm1981__ | !pastebin |
| 10:01.15 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:01.31 | valdyn | ricercar: dpkg mentions 2 URLs |
| 10:02.31 | dvm1981__ | ricercar, OK ? |
| 10:02.37 | ricercar | dvm1981__: I use aptitude mostly (same thing in the end) |
| 10:02.53 | dvm1981__ | ricercar, yep |
| 10:03.06 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 10:03.07 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 10:03.49 | ricercar | valdyn: Still can't find the debian url for pasting :( |
| 10:03.59 | dvm1981__ | I always use 'apt' some time 'dpkg' (and not the bot here) |
| 10:04.03 | dvm1981__ | is that right ? |
| 10:04.10 | valdyn | ricercar: why cant you? what's hard about using the URL that dpkg pasted? |
| 10:04.10 | ricercar | dpkg: thanx |
| 10:04.13 | dpkg | no worries, ricercar |
| 10:04.27 | dvm1981__ | Or need i use other stuff; like it's a subject of convercation |
| 10:04.44 | jetscreamer | yes it's alright |
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| 10:04.59 | dvm1981__ | ricercar, dpkg are a bot, a robot |
| 10:05.13 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 10:05.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 10:05.41 | ricercar | valdyn: I want to paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/devices" |
| 10:05.53 | valdyn | ricercar: so paste it |
| 10:05.57 | valdyn | ricercar: what's the problem? |
| 10:06.06 | jetscreamer | console? |
| 10:06.16 | jetscreamer | are you in console ricercar ? |
| 10:07.09 | ricercar | valdyn: can't find the url (thought it was www.paste.debian.org, but it ain't) |
| 10:07.18 | tralala | !paster |
| 10:07.18 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 10:07.19 | ricercar | jetscreamer: an xterm |
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| 10:07.21 | valdyn | oh what the hell |
| 10:07.26 | valdyn | ricercar: do you have dpkg on ignore? |
| 10:07.27 | dvm1981__ | xclip - command line interface to X selections |
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| 10:08.16 | dvm1981__ | Someone give me this really good tip; |
| 10:08.29 | RichiH | i know there is a way to create a directory in which each user may only read files he created himself and none of the ones the other users created. what mask do i need to set to do that? |
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| 10:09.24 | ricercar | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1640 |
| 10:09.26 | tralala | RichiH: isn't it like /tmp but without group and others rx? |
| 10:09.46 | RichiH | tralala: i will poke at that, sec |
| 10:09.57 | valdyn | ricercar: looks good, now try 'aplay some.wav' |
| 10:10.15 | djp | what do i need to install to prevent a "configure: error: could not find Python headers" message? |
| 10:10.36 | ricercar | valdyn: mostly on ignore |
| 10:10.36 | RichiH | tralala: can't be, /tmp is drwxrwxrwt -- the t might lead me somewhere, though |
| 10:10.42 | jetscreamer | python? |
| 10:10.47 | valdyn | djp: python-dev i guess |
| 10:10.58 | djp | valdyn, thanks |
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| 10:11.20 | tralala | RichiH: t is what I meant. But you should play with the rx if you want the users not to see each others files. |
| 10:11.44 | RichiH | hmmk\ |
| 10:11.51 | ricercar | valdyn: aplay Sound/Rom03.wav gave "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave <nl> aplay: main:544: audio open error: Device or resource busy" |
| 10:12.19 | valdyn | ricercar: so something is already using your sound device, are you running gnome? |
| 10:13.10 | ricercar | valdyn: jackd is running, should I terminate it? I'm running fluxbox under gdm |
| 10:13.20 | valdyn | ricercar: yea, terminate it |
| 10:13.32 | valdyn | ricercar: you dont need jackd |
| 10:13.56 | tyranix | RichiH: I think those are two separate operations. A sticky directory will prevent other users from renaming and deleting people's files. But the file permissions determines who can read the file itself (so the user's umask comes into play if not explicitly set). |
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| 10:15.35 | ricercar | valdyn: It's now playing in devastating silence. Won't I jackd soon to get live recording, qsynth, rosegarden and friends cooperating properly |
| 10:15.59 | ricercar | s/I jackd/I need jackd/ |
| 10:16.20 | valdyn | ricercar: only applications that support jackd nicely, and in my experience its not a good way to achieve this. |
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| 10:16.53 | valdyn | ricercar: anyway, turn up your volume, unmute your sound, check your cabling |
| 10:17.01 | IronRoses | dpkg nvidia |
| 10:17.01 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 10:17.09 | jetscreamer | !info libasound2-plugins |
| 10:17.12 | dpkg | libasound2-plugins: (ALSA library additional plugins), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 10:17.27 | jetscreamer | so wht does that package have to do with jackd |
| 10:17.44 | IronRoses | how do I install nvidia drivers on debian stable? |
| 10:17.44 | valdyn | jetscreamer: nothing? |
| 10:17.47 | ricercar | valdyn: OK. The point is, that xmms actually made music before I added snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules. |
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| 10:17.54 | jetscreamer | since apt-cache search jackd returned that and jackd |
| 10:18.07 | orjan | ricercar: If you started progs using jackd didn't you change the driver to jackd, you have to change back to alsa if you stop jackd I think |
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| 10:18.31 | valdyn | ricercar: you could just reboot after your remove snd-intel8x0 |
| 10:18.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.53 | IronRoses | what the command to get up the install instruction for installing nvidia drivers in debian (satable release)? |
| 10:18.55 | tralala | !tell IronRoses -about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:19.01 | IronRoses | thanks matey |
| 10:19.03 | ricercar | valdyn: I did, twice. Once after adding the line and once after removing it |
| 10:19.15 | valdyn | jetscreamer: now that would be a horrible mess using alsa redirected to jack which used alsa again |
| 10:19.29 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show said that... all i know. |
| 10:19.46 | jetscreamer | This should not be confused with |
| 10:19.47 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.47 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.47 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:20.11 | jetscreamer | :( that was one line here |
| 10:20.22 | RichiH | heh |
| 10:20.22 | valdyn | ricercar: check your volume and cabling as i said, if aplay is playing its playing |
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| 10:21.58 | TBBle | Hmm. Never noticed the dh_avoidhashdebianflood module for debhelper before... |
| 10:23.02 | si0ux | hi people |
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| 10:23.37 | gau_ | is there anything other than cups for configuring linux ? |
| 10:23.42 | ricercar | valdyn: I haven't altered any hardware. If I boot a live knoppix distro the sound is instantly available. I convinced the preblem is in the software, because I've tried demudi 1.2.[01] and 1.2.3 with brief knoppix boots in between, so the cabling, etc., just isn't the problem |
| 10:23.52 | Guerin | gau_: cups doesn't configure linux |
| 10:24.00 | valdyn | ricercar: so its your volume settings |
| 10:24.24 | gau_ | Guerin: aaarh sorry about that |
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| 10:24.33 | gau_ | not had enough sleep |
| 10:24.37 | gau_ | i meant printing ... |
| 10:25.26 | gau_ | i have a dotmatrix printer and i want to avoid cups alltogether ... it just spews nonsense ... |
| 10:25.32 | Guerin | Need to get 5764kB/12.4MB of archives. After unpacking 47.9MB will be used. |
| 10:25.37 | gau_ | Guerin: xzgv ? |
| 10:25.38 | Guerin | ah, gnome, how do I love thee |
| 10:25.49 | Guerin | gau_: xzgv? |
| 10:25.52 | gau_ | its got a smaller foot print ;) |
| 10:26.01 | gau_ | photo management/viewing tool |
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| 10:26.22 | Guerin | #311912 - f-spot segfaults with segfault on startup |
| 10:26.25 | Guerin | YAY GNOME! |
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| 10:26.50 | ricercar | valdyn: I use an external amp. alsamixer looks as it should, the relevant channels are unmuted |
| 10:26.51 | IronRoses | I have nvidia drivers installed |
| 10:26.56 | IronRoses | thanks for your help guys |
| 10:27.15 | jetscreamer | segfaults with segfault ? |
| 10:27.22 | Guerin | ricercar: start playing, and move the levels in alsamixer up or down by a place each |
| 10:27.32 | IronRoses | um, I just did glxgears and put it full screen, but am only getting fps rate of 161fps avg |
| 10:27.39 | war92 | anyone here ever use raid1 on their motherboard with linux? I am running windows w/dual raptor-raid and it should see 1 volume (as it does in windows), but in Linux I see both separate drives, huh? |
| 10:27.41 | tralala | IronRoses: congratulations. You could try torcs now :) |
| 10:27.45 | Guerin | ricercar: i struck a bug whereby it would be at 0 volume until I *changed* the level |
| 10:27.46 | IronRoses | how do I enable 3D? |
| 10:28.01 | Guerin | jetscreamer: amazingly so |
| 10:28.04 | jetscreamer | IronRoses: got agpgart loaded? |
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| 10:28.16 | IronRoses | and that is? |
| 10:28.21 | myren | anyone know a good tool for tracking time on projects? |
| 10:28.23 | jetscreamer | and the associated one for your mb? |
| 10:28.35 | myren | i've got a lot of thing Im doing and would like better time accounting |
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| 10:28.50 | tralala | IronRoses: grep agpart /proc/modules |
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| 10:28.58 | jetscreamer | !agpgart |
| 10:28.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, agpgart is the agp support module in the 2.3.x and 2.4.x kernels. A backport for 2.2.16 can be found at http://www.galois.de/linux/nvidia/, or the patch has been included in the late 2.3.x series, or integrated into 2.2.18pre9 |
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| 10:29.13 | jetscreamer | looks like an old factoid |
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| 10:29.20 | IronRoses | nothing came up |
| 10:29.27 | IronRoses | I take it that that is good right? |
| 10:29.28 | ricercar | valdynh: I've tried all the obviuos stuff and, as I say, if I reboot from a live CD sound will be there immediately. |
| 10:29.30 | tralala | so you don't have it |
| 10:29.31 | Guerin | so, I'm going the whole hog. Already got udev, hal and dbus, this thing is going to haul in avahi and gnome-vfs2 |
| 10:29.46 | tralala | IronRoses: do you have an apg or pcix card? |
| 10:29.50 | Guerin | this 1997 laptop is going to be brand spaking 2006 new with the OS |
| 10:29.55 | wathek | what does cp [^A-Z]* /tmp? |
| 10:29.55 | valdyn | war92: this is software raid, in linux you should see the drives seperately |
| 10:29.57 | IronRoses | agp |
| 10:30.05 | Sprinterv2 | hey, i have a problem with cups! I successfully installed and configured three printers and samba is also working fine. Now i want to provide the windows printing drivers (PS) for the win2k machines here. I copied all needed files and now im trying to make a printers.def file |
| 10:30.06 | jetscreamer | there are different agpgart modules for different types of motherboards. but then there is the nvidia agp gart also, which is a function of the nvidia driver |
| 10:30.17 | tralala | IronRoses: have you restared the X after installing the drivers? |
| 10:30.19 | war92 | valdyn: yeah it looks like you need dm-mapper or something, doh. |
| 10:30.21 | IronRoses | yes |
| 10:30.27 | Guerin | wathek: copies any file startwint with a capital letter to /tmp |
| 10:30.31 | Sprinterv2 | that "make_printerdef" isnt working, unknown command |
| 10:30.45 | deadcat | should i set cdrecord suid? |
| 10:30.48 | tralala | IronRoses: do you have a display manager (graphical login)? |
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| 10:30.59 | jetscreamer | yes deadcat unless you don't want to |
| 10:31.00 | IronRoses | yes, I have kdm |
| 10:31.09 | tralala | did you do /etc/init.d/kdm restart? |
| 10:31.15 | IronRoses | um, no |
| 10:31.16 | IronRoses | lol |
| 10:31.20 | IronRoses | I do it now |
| 10:31.30 | tralala | just like that |
| 10:32.03 | ricercar | valdyn: It seems as if the reboot after adding snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules resulted in a configuration change at boot time |
| 10:32.10 | SimonRaven | 23t7p9rguikbef |
| 10:32.22 | wathek | Guerin, and what's the diffrence betwen [^A-Z] and [A-Z] ? |
| 10:32.22 | Sprinterv2 | lol :D |
| 10:32.27 | jetscreamer | looks like a password to me |
| 10:32.30 | Sprinterv2 | aight |
| 10:32.35 | deadcat | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 10:32.38 | valdyn | ricercar: i'd doubt that |
| 10:32.44 | SimonRaven | fucking fuck mysql-server-5.0 dpkg --unpack stupid fucking errors fucking fuck |
| 10:32.46 | Guerin | wathek: ^ means "at the start of a line" |
| 10:32.50 | valdyn | ricercar: and even if it did, it should not mess up more than your volume settings |
| 10:32.54 | deadcat | i thats the key for version 5.3 right? |
| 10:33.01 | Guerin | wathek: it should be ^[A-Z] |
| 10:33.10 | ricercar | Guerin: missed your reply. vols. are NOT 0 |
| 10:33.33 | Guerin | ricercar: start playing, and move the levels in alsamixer up or down by a place each |
| 10:33.38 | Guerin | ricercar: do that and see |
| 10:33.47 | deadcat | SimonRaven: thats why i do all my database in text files (= |
| 10:33.53 | Guerin | ricercar: my levels APPEARED not to be 0, but in actuality WERE |
| 10:33.58 | tralala | wathek: iinm, [^A-Z] is exactly the opposite of [A-Z] |
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| 10:34.14 | wathek | tralala, opposite ?? |
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| 10:34.41 | IronRoses | did /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 10:34.46 | jetscreamer | we noticed |
| 10:34.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 10:34.49 | tralala | wathek: yes, like not in [A-Z] |
| 10:34.56 | ricercar | valdyn: my volume settings are unchanged and, yes, I do move the sliders in alsamixer and xmms. |
| 10:34.59 | IronRoses | I should be getting fps of at least 1000 @ full screen |
| 10:35.01 | IronRoses | lol |
| 10:35.08 | wathek | tralala, I don't understand |
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| 10:35.18 | valdyn | ricercar: dont use xmms for testing, aplay has better error messages |
| 10:35.25 | IronRoses | well, 800 - 900 anyway |
| 10:35.25 | jetscreamer | agpgart |
| 10:35.34 | IronRoses | how do I set tht up? |
| 10:35.42 | deadcat | i am gonna try sparc netinstall next week if the instructor remembers to bring the sparc machines to class. |
| 10:35.43 | jetscreamer | modprobe or modconf |
| 10:35.46 | jetscreamer | but |
| 10:36.03 | jetscreamer | there are different versions for different mb/chipsets |
| 10:36.06 | tralala | wathek: man grep - the "regular expressions" section |
| 10:36.09 | deadcat | i assume the installation works the same? |
| 10:36.12 | wathek | ok |
| 10:36.22 | jetscreamer | actually there is agpgart and associated agpgart modules (kinda) |
| 10:36.33 | valdyn | ricercar: aplay -D hw:0,0 some.wav and aplay -D hw:0,4 some.wav |
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| 10:36.41 | ricercar | valdyn: whatever makes noises would be good just now:) |
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| 10:37.05 | tralala | IronRoses: did you modify your X config to use the nvidia driver instead of the nv one? |
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| 10:37.06 | jetscreamer | like there is intel and sis and via modules that plug into the uber-agpgart modules |
| 10:37.16 | jetscreamer | s/modules/module/ |
| 10:37.26 | Guerin | hm, f-spot doesn't seem to believe i'm using it on an 800x600 machine |
| 10:37.39 | ricercar | valdyn: both are depressingly silent :( |
| 10:38.04 | Guerin | ok, that's fucking unusable |
| 10:38.08 | IronRoses | yes, it came up asking me which drive I wanted to use I chose nvidia |
| 10:38.09 | valdyn | ricercar: your sound output might be on a different plug than you think |
| 10:38.17 | IronRoses | I'll check the xfree86 config file |
| 10:38.18 | IronRoses | hold on |
| 10:38.25 | valdyn | ricercar: though i dont know for which reason, it can be switched on many modern soundcards |
| 10:38.40 | jetscreamer | IronRoses: that one is different i believe |
| 10:38.55 | jetscreamer | IronRoses: what motherboard/chipset |
| 10:39.04 | valdyn | ricercar: some soundcards dont output an analogue signal if digital is switched on |
| 10:39.15 | tralala | IronRoses: modprobe nvidia |
| 10:39.18 | IronRoses | I remember in another ditro I had to actually configue the modules it used...like turn some off and add some |
| 10:39.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf |
| 10:39.46 | IronRoses | modprobe nvidia came up with nothing |
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| 10:40.00 | valdyn | IronRoses: and nothing in 'dmesg' either? |
| 10:40.21 | jetscreamer | that's because nvidia is already loaded |
| 10:40.37 | IronRoses | ah, demsg has found several agp |
| 10:40.57 | tralala | IronRoses: restart kdm again |
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| 10:41.29 | ricercar | valdyn: That could only happen if the h/w outputs (i.e. the physical sockets) can be configured by applications. They are labelled "line in," "mic" and "line out" on the computer |
| 10:41.30 | IronRoses | agpgart: found an AGP 2.0 device at 000:00:00.0 ijnto 4x mode |
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| 10:42.30 | ricercar | valdyn: why would digital be switched on? |
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| 10:43.04 | jetscreamer | ricercar: the outputs support on the fly switching nowadays iirc, depending on what you have plugged into them.. or so i heard tell |
| 10:43.14 | jetscreamer | #Option"NvAGP""1" |
| 10:43.18 | jetscreamer | xorg.conf |
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| 10:43.45 | ricercar | jetscreamer valdyn: I don't have a sound card, the chipset is on the m/board |
| 10:44.03 | jetscreamer | same principle i 'believe' |
| 10:44.11 | jetscreamer | ymmv though |
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| 10:44.28 | Sprinterv2 | make_printerdef ntprint.inf "Apple Color LW 12/660 PS" > printers.def - Can somebody tell me how to do that with debian? make_printerdef unknown command |
| 10:44.33 | ricercar | jetscreamer valdyn: I'm running a 2.4 GHz Asus P4PE |
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| 10:45.38 | tralala | ricercar: do you have any oss sound modules loaded? |
| 10:45.57 | jetscreamer | ricercar: valdyn and Guerin know more than i do about linux imo ... me i'd be looking at how jack interacts with alsa though. |
| 10:46.00 | bibe | Hi all. My colleague's installing Debian on an amd64 machine. He could install the base system from the unofficial netinst image from http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/. Now he has some problems, that machine is behind a router but my colleague has no control over it. How can I have a remote console on that machine, so we can use screen and solve the problems together? Can we use netcat or something like that? |
| 10:46.08 | TBBle | Sprinterv2: That's an awful question. Try asking for help with what you're doing, rather than asking for the Debian version of whatever half-whack procedure you're trying. |
| 10:46.19 | lawnchair | does anyone know of a daap client |
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| 10:46.33 | Guerin | bibe: tell him to install x86 unless he's a) a unix expert and b) got a shitload of ram |
| 10:46.37 | TBBle | bibe: He could ssh to a machine of yours, and use SSH-tunelling to let you tunnel back to his ssh port. |
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| 10:47.09 | bibe | TBBle : thanks very much |
| 10:47.16 | tralala | bibe: there is also a ppp-over-ssh setup that you could use. It's a bit complicated but it works like a charm. |
| 10:47.26 | bibe | Guerin : isn't amd64 port more appropriate for an amd64 machine? |
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| 10:47.32 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 10:47.38 | jetscreamer | !info xmms-jack |
| 10:47.41 | TBBle | And by "charm" you mean "all the horrors of PPP over TCP, with SSH thrown in for extra pain"? |
| 10:47.45 | dpkg | xmms-jack: (xmms output plugin to the jack audio server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.15-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
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| 10:48.01 | TBBle | The AMD64 port is certainly faster on an AMD64 machine. |
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| 10:48.08 | jetscreamer | !info xmms-jackasyn |
| 10:48.14 | dpkg | xmms-jackasyn: (JACK Output plugin for xmms), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 10:48.26 | Sprinterv2 | TBBle: Im trying to provide a printer driver for the win2k machines here. (cups + samba is running and printing is working fine on all printers) |
| 10:48.34 | tralala | TBBle: I mean it simply works and does so well. I wouldn't be chatting here otherwise. |
| 10:49.11 | TBBle | Sprinterv2: Ah. I've got some instructions relating to that on my blog, as it happens, http://blog.tbble.net/, and otherwise the samba documentation seemed pretty adequate. |
| 10:49.15 | ricercar | valdyn: One small point, when xmms worked, my linux-sound-base was set up for OSS as the default (the installer never asked). I switched to ALSA after the problem started, but I've switched back to OSS. |
| 10:49.24 | Guerin | bibe: yes and no. It's a lot more work, and doesn't buy you much unless you have gigs of ram |
| 10:49.34 | tralala | Now the theory says that TCP over TCP is a nightmare but my practice shows otherwise. |
| 10:49.52 | ricercar | I'm rebooting now to see if sound returns. Thanx to all of you |
| 10:50.00 | TBBle | tralala: Also the practice says otherwise... However, unless you hit congestion or packet loss, you won't notice the problem. |
| 10:50.01 | bibe | Guerin : ok, I am telling it to him. thanks very much |
| 10:50.08 | jetscreamer | yeah try the xmms-jack plugin ricercar |
| 10:50.11 | TBBle | ... let me rephrase. |
| 10:50.17 | jetscreamer | or did you |
| 10:50.35 | TBBle | The problem with TCP/TCP lies in the TCP congestion-handling. So under normal or near-normal conditions, it's fine. |
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| 10:51.02 | ricercar | ok, 'bye now |
| 10:51.15 | tralala | Guerin: I use amd64 and I have only 512MB of ram. I use kino and mjpegtools to do video encoding from rawdv to mpeg. Amd64 is 3 (three!) times faster than i386. |
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| 10:51.57 | TBBle | That's some well-optimised 64-bit stuff. |
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| 10:52.46 | Guerin | tralala: special case. |
| 10:52.53 | jetscreamer | yeh there are video editors that only want 64bit and say 32bit is too slow |
| 10:53.04 | Guerin | tralala: 99% of people have computer power to burn anyway. |
| 10:53.05 | jetscreamer | massive speedup |
| 10:53.17 | jetscreamer | but that's special like he said |
| 10:53.20 | Guerin | hence gnome |
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| 10:53.44 | tralala | Guerin: Only the encoding part. Otherwise it's just a normal home system and doesn't feel any slower than the i386 |
| 10:53.56 | jm_ | not any faster either |
| 10:54.14 | Guerin | fucking f-sopt |
| 10:54.30 | deadcat | thats before the g spot ya? |
| 10:54.35 | jetscreamer | i've gone thorough hell the past 2 days trying to get some decent fid editor going |
| 10:54.45 | jetscreamer | with my lame capture card that is |
| 10:54.45 | Laibsch | !java licensing |
| 10:54.46 | dpkg | read the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 10:54.55 | gau_ | what's the version of alsa on unstable ? |
| 10:54.56 | tralala | no, but those 3:1 hours of video encoding are just enough for me to do the switch. |
| 10:54.56 | jetscreamer | s/fid/vid/ |
| 10:55.06 | Guerin | damn thing just went ahead and created a ~/Photos dir with a whole bag of stuff in it, organised into lots of nested dirs |
| 10:55.12 | TBBle | AMD64 gives you about 2.3% speedup on a linux kernel compile, apparently. |
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| 10:55.13 | Guerin | fucking gnome appps, jesus |
| 10:55.21 | gau_ | jetscreamer: video editor ... which one ? |
| 10:55.24 | TBBle | Although 512M of RAM seems like it'd stifle video encoding work. |
| 10:55.28 | Guerin | tralala: oh, f'sure. |
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| 10:56.44 | jetscreamer | lets see... cinerrla, jahshaka, linux-video-studio.... then for windows there is jahshaka and different flavors of studio (9&10) |
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| 10:56.54 | tralala | TBBle: I have two more slots if I decide that I have money to waste on memory. |
| 10:57.50 | jetscreamer | ah heroinewarrior.com ... i forget if that's cinerrela or not |
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| 10:58.20 | jetscreamer | yeah it's one port/fork of it |
| 10:59.18 | mrverbos1 | hmm, links2 seems to be damaged |
| 10:59.54 | mrverbose | as it seems it doesnt work with x any longer, only with svga and directfb |
| 10:59.55 | mrverbose | :( |
| 11:00.11 | gau_ | i keep getting CPU0: running in modulated clock mode any idea how i can fix this ? CPU1: temperature above treshold |
| 11:00.16 | jetscreamer | my stupid old capture card is identified as nvidia. i don't even think nvidia was around much when they made this card for win95 |
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| 11:00.31 | valdyn | gau_: get a better cooling system |
| 11:00.34 | gau_ | jetscreamer: name of the card ? |
| 11:00.41 | jetscreamer | miro dc10+ |
| 11:00.59 | gau_ | jetscreamer: does v4l have a module for the same ? |
| 11:01.02 | jetscreamer | no windows drivers for it > w98 |
| 11:01.19 | jetscreamer | gau_: yes but it doesn't seem to work anymore... it used to.(the module) |
| 11:01.33 | gau_ | jetscreamer: what's the module ? bt8x8 ? |
| 11:01.39 | jetscreamer | the dc30 modules breaks the kernel compile also, i've noticed |
| 11:01.48 | jetscreamer | zoran 306xx... i forget exactly |
| 11:01.52 | valdyn | jetscreamer: pci ids are uniquely identifying your card, either its really an nvidia card or it's an error in the PCI id database |
| 11:01.58 | jetscreamer | error |
| 11:02.21 | jetscreamer | i 'have' an nvida vid card installed, also. |
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| 11:02.59 | jm_ | hmm DC10 - some feller I know might have bought that back then, but that was really long time ago |
| 11:03.11 | gau_ | jetscreamer: debian standard kernal does not have the module ? |
| 11:03.19 | jetscreamer | a friend of mine just gave it to me, no drivers or anything else |
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| 11:03.26 | jetscreamer | gau_: yes it does have the modules |
| 11:03.42 | gau_ | jetscreamer: in windows you can try dscaler ... (no drivers required ) |
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| 11:04.10 | jetscreamer | i'll keep that in mind, but usually i don't do windows except to make money.. this was special though |
| 11:04.11 | gau_ | jetscreamer: and when you modprobe the module does dmesg have any info ? |
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| 11:04.47 | gau_ | and where does it break or fail ? |
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| 11:04.57 | IronRoses | ok, I am now getting 800 fps over 5 second @ 160.000 |
| 11:04.59 | jetscreamer | gau_: yeah it bitches. (gau_ i'm not trying to get it to work atm, i got sick of 2 days of trying :( ) |
| 11:05.02 | IronRoses | thats faster |
| 11:05.14 | IronRoses | I deleted the lind Load "dri" from the config |
| 11:05.29 | IronRoses | it is now using the hardware instead of the software now |
| 11:05.31 | jetscreamer | you also want to comment out gl_core iirc, IronRoses |
| 11:05.39 | IronRoses | ok, will do |
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| 11:05.51 | jetscreamer | IronRoses: but that was for the nvidia binary |
| 11:05.53 | IronRoses | I remember i had to add a line too, but for the life of me i can't remmeber |
| 11:05.58 | tralala | well, let the gaming begin now! ;) |
| 11:06.00 | jetscreamer | not sure about the debian flavor |
| 11:06.34 | jetscreamer | add glx ? |
| 11:06.44 | valdyn | 800 fps seems really slow |
| 11:07.02 | tralala | jetscreamer IronRoses: nvidia have their own gl but in debian there is a package that takes care of that iirc |
| 11:07.26 | jetscreamer | IronRoses: http://hfds.com/debian_files/xorg.conf.txt lists some nvidia stuff |
| 11:07.48 | jetscreamer | the top part is a lie though |
| 11:07.58 | gau_ | jetscreamer: i want you to try again lol ;) |
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| 11:10.47 | jetscreamer | gau_: i was already thinking that the pci db is wrong ... even the proprietary studio windows crap doesn't recognize it |
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| 11:11.36 | jetscreamer | i've 'almost' installed w9x just to test if it actually works in it... but fugdat |
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| 11:11.52 | andreiutz | how do i install rar ? |
| 11:11.54 | gau_ | jetscreamer: i don't think 95 would have seen such hostile cards ... |
| 11:12.03 | jetscreamer | apt-get install rar |
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| 11:12.08 | gau_ | andreiutz apt-get install unrar |
| 11:12.12 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, tahnkyou |
| 11:12.13 | jetscreamer | it 'may' be in non-free sources |
| 11:12.20 | jetscreamer | see also unrar |
| 11:12.20 | jm_ | it is |
| 11:12.31 | andreiutz | gau_, thanks |
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| 11:13.28 | ootput | any of you ex-archlinux users care to chat privately? |
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| 11:13.58 | doubleukay | hi guys, anyone knows of any recursive dns servers on ipv6? |
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| 11:16.00 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, gau_ chek this out about rar/unrar : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IwcUwm20.html |
| 11:16.19 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 11:16.19 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 11:16.19 | andreiutz | what no |
| 11:16.22 | andreiutz | w |
| 11:16.22 | jetscreamer | that |
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| 11:16.53 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, what should i use for unpaking rar archives |
| 11:16.55 | andreiutz | ? |
| 11:17.16 | jetscreamer | just add contrib non-free after the word main in /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update |
| 11:17.17 | tralala | !tell andreiutz -about non-free |
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| 11:17.51 | jetscreamer | rar -x unpacks .rar |
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| 11:18.14 | _joey__ | who's upto in helping me to configure bridged interface? |
| 11:18.20 | andreiutz | thanks very much |
| 11:18.40 | tralala | for the latest version of the rar files however there isn't a linux tool to unpack |
| 11:18.43 | jetscreamer | i like rar better than zip because zip wants to use more tmp space to make archives_that_span_many disks |
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| 11:19.28 | rambo3 | these kernel in backports are labled _486 nad not 386, is it for p4 ? where thay compiled on486 machines? |
| 11:19.36 | jetscreamer | zip wants to make one big one first, then split it(iirc) |
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| 11:19.57 | jetscreamer | 486 is for < pentium |
| 11:20.04 | jetscreamer | ie a 486 |
| 11:20.11 | _joey__ | Given: vlan0 (ethernet) and eth1 (wifi) bridged, br0 is assigned 192.168.1.1. Needed: to bridge vlan1 (ethernet) with eth1 (wifi), Problem: eth1 is already slave and cannot be bridged. How do I get around this problem ? |
| 11:20.12 | jetscreamer | you wnat 686 |
| 11:20.27 | rambo3 | who would make a new kernel for 486 |
| 11:20.31 | tralala | jetscreamer: a simple shell script using dd will make a great splitter. And a cat * > join.zip will do the rest. |
| 11:20.34 | epsilon | the kids these days... doesn't even know 486 |
| 11:20.54 | jetscreamer | rambo3: somebody with a 486 |
| 11:21.07 | _joey__ | where are all l33t j33x0r ?:) |
| 11:21.22 | tralala | who would want to lie about the kernel target cpu? |
| 11:21.26 | tyranix | tralala: Or you could just use the command 'split'. :) |
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| 11:21.33 | epsilon | tralala: use split and join instead dd and cat |
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| 11:22.11 | tralala | tyranix epsilon: mkay :) |
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| 11:23.21 | rambo3 | now lets test 2.6.15 |
| 11:23.45 | epsilon | 2.6.15.1 |
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| 11:24.10 | CApottolo | guys |
| 11:24.30 | CApottolo | I need a little piece of advice regardig notebook & linux |
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| 11:24.42 | CApottolo | anyone confident with this topic wants to be bored a bit? ;) |
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| 11:25.05 | azeem | CApottolo: people won't commit to respond to broad questions beforehand |
| 11:25.19 | tralala | CApottolo: have you checked /msg dpkg linux laptop? |
| 11:25.21 | azeem | CApottolo: ask specific questions, and somebody who knows will answer hopefully |
| 11:26.21 | CApottolo | thank you guys |
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| 11:26.25 | epsilon | BTW, ask google/yaho/msn/whatever first |
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| 11:27.09 | CApottolo | specifically : Anyone tried to istall linux on toshiba satellite m40-282 281? |
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| 11:27.51 | tralala | CApottolo: this is precisely what you will find out if you follow the links I gave you |
| 11:28.20 | possie | is it possible to give users only write access to an FTP server, and not let them read? cause i want a ftp where different users can store files, but i don't want them to read each others files, and i will login via ssh and fetch the files from the ftp dir |
| 11:28.24 | CApottolo | ok perfect, thanks really apprecciated |
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| 11:28.57 | TBBle | possie: Yes. |
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| 11:30.44 | racoon | Habe mal ne kleene frage die ganzen win32codecs funzen bei mir nicht wie kann ich die richtig installieren unter ubuntu 5.04 ??? |
| 11:30.46 | a-atwood1home | possie: You can also give them an account, and their files would go in their home directories. Only works if you have a limited (and known) list of users |
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| 11:31.54 | azeem | racoon: #ubuntu.de, if it exists |
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| 11:32.06 | CcSsNET | possie try ssh/scp/sftp combo and harden down a shell server to noexec and set there to be no commands besides cp mv ls and mkdir rm |
| 11:32.07 | jm_ | is kleene slang for kleine? |
| 11:32.07 | azeem | racoon: otherwise, try asking in #ubuntu on english |
| 11:32.18 | azeem | it's Berlin dialect |
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| 11:32.44 | racoon | yes it's berlin |
| 11:32.46 | jm_ | ohh, thanks |
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| 11:34.50 | racoon | where can help me ? i will install all win32codecs but i dont no how |
| 11:35.25 | xoz | !marillat |
| 11:35.25 | dpkg | [marillat] (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 11:35.42 | xoz | racoon: ^ |
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| 11:35.50 | jm_ | go to #ubuntu and ask - AFAIK there are some scripts/whatever that are used for that in Ubuntu, they have some special name, starting with a, but I can't remember it |
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| 11:37.41 | racoon | when i will install the pc say i have no rights |
| 11:37.59 | Golito | racoon, what pc? |
| 11:38.23 | broadcaster | anybody here who tried to install debian on a toshiba tecra a5 ? couldn't find anything on google. general hints about toshiba? linux-on-laptops has only A1 and A2 listed. |
| 11:38.33 | xoz | racoon: you should be root? |
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| 11:39.15 | rambo3 | recoon are you a woman from saudi arebia |
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| 11:39.47 | racoon | rambo3 no i'm a man from berlin |
| 11:39.55 | Golito | rambo3, well, racoon is not the only one who writes bad English |
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| 11:40.47 | a-atwood1home | rambo3: His English is a hell of a lot better than my German. 8) |
| 11:41.30 | rambo3 | i wasn't talking about his english , only commented on " i have no rights" |
| 11:41.31 | Golito | arebia ?? wonder where is that ? in Schweden ?:P |
| 11:41.41 | racoon | i learn english at school but my english is not to bad all the peaple in my class can't write english |
| 11:42.11 | racoon | spricht hier jemand deutsch ? |
| 11:42.19 | valdyn | !de |
| 11:42.20 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 11:42.34 | broadcaster | racoon: ich |
| 11:42.35 | jm_ | racoon: you're using Ubuntu, this is for Debian, try #ubuntu or #ubuntu.de |
| 11:42.54 | racoon | dpgk THX |
| 11:42.57 | gau_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.14 | jm_ | besides, first or second hit on google explains how to install mplayer et al in Ubuntu |
| 11:43.42 | gau_ | apt-get install mplayer ? with the right changes to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 11:43.48 | jm_ | indeed |
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| 11:46.45 | larala | how do i check which device my usbstick is using? |
| 11:46.50 | tarzeau | gau_: better don't change sources.lsit |
| 11:46.53 | tarzeau | .list even |
| 11:47.22 | jm_ | larala: cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:47.31 | jm_ | logs will also tell you |
| 11:48.01 | Golito | larala, tail -f /var/log/messages and then plug your stick |
| 11:48.22 | jugglinx | i have a problem installing cups, i can t figure out how to fill the URI thing... this printer will be just use for this PC is: socket://localhost a good option? |
| 11:48.41 | jm_ | socket is for printers that can be contacted via TCP/IP |
| 11:48.57 | gau_ | jugglinx: hmmz its not a local printer ? |
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| 11:49.08 | gau_ | jugglinx: if it is you are on the wrong page/link |
| 11:49.16 | jugglinx | yep, it is... but im guessing :-S |
| 11:49.25 | gau_ | jugglinx: hehe try somethig else |
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| 11:49.37 | larala | jm_: If I plug the usb stick in and nothing registers on the logs and no scsi device registers in /proc/partitions then I must have something wrong in the kernel? |
| 11:50.09 | Golito | larala, nothing showed up in the log? |
| 11:50.15 | jm_ | larala: yeah, you're missing support, but this sounds like your entire USB support is missing |
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| 11:50.43 | gau_ | jugglinx: add printer choose the right port ... usb or parallel as the case may be |
| 11:50.56 | gau_ | larala: try dmesg |
| 11:51.03 | gau_ | do you get any info at all ? |
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| 11:51.07 | codenut | what are the requirements for a Dell notebook? I have an eye on one that is a PII, 400 with 192 of RAM. |
| 11:51.28 | jm_ | codenut: one requirement would be that it works |
| 11:51.32 | rambo3 | how do i see witch module my eth card is using ? |
| 11:51.39 | codenut | ;-) |
| 11:51.42 | gau_ | rambo3: lsmod |
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| 11:51.56 | rambo3 | ªgrep what? |
| 11:52.10 | codenut | It is a slick looking box, I like it. |
| 11:52.10 | jugglinx | gau_, tahnks u was rigth... |
| 11:52.28 | jugglinx | i make a bad choice before... ty |
| 11:52.42 | CcSsNET | mslinux.org O:-) |
| 11:53.32 | gau_ | rambo3: it must be e100 or something ... like that ... |
| 11:53.46 | gau_ | then modinfo e100 |
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| 11:53.53 | gau_ | to find out what that module is all about |
| 11:54.07 | rambo3 | can it be 8139too |
| 11:54.14 | Guerin | codenut: debian will run fine on that |
| 11:54.16 | gau_ | rambo3: just try lsmod |
| 11:54.29 | gau_ | you should have some modules you don't know about |
| 11:54.35 | Guerin | codenut: my everyday machine, which I use for everything, and am taking on the road for 6 months, is a p2-233 |
| 11:54.35 | gau_ | pick that one and try modinfo |
| 11:55.26 | jm_ | yes -- typically /proc/interrupts will list the IRQ it's using, which can be used to identify it via lspci -v |
| 11:55.35 | a-atwood1home | codenut: It should run fine. I would recommend xfce over kde or gnome though. |
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| 11:56.25 | jm_ | ahh that might not work if interrupts lists eth0 as opposed to module name |
| 11:56.37 | a-atwood1home | codenut: my new laptop only had 192 when I bought it, and it wasn't bad at all under linux. WinXP was an entirely different thing..... |
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| 11:57.03 | tralala | etch with kde on pii@366 228 ram. It's not a speed deamon but it works |
| 11:57.03 | rambo3 | it is 8139too . now when i switch to kernel 2.6.15 do i just modprobe 8139too.ko |
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| 11:57.36 | tralala | rambo3: you never modprobe *.ko only * |
| 11:57.44 | gau_ | rambo3: modprobe 8139t00 |
| 11:57.47 | Zrin | what hardware RAID (PCI, ATA or SATA) to use for small debian servers? |
| 11:57.50 | codenut | Do you think it would work with an early Microsoft Wifi LAN card? |
| 11:57.53 | gau_ | or whatever the module is |
| 11:58.12 | tralala | !tell codenut -about linux laptop |
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| 11:58.25 | tralala | check that, and check ndiswrapper |
| 11:58.28 | tarzeau | someone wants to play with my archive checker? extending it maybe? |
| 11:58.46 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/archcheck/ |
| 11:58.58 | codenut | !tell codenut about linux laptop |
| 11:59.10 | tralala | codenut: /msg dpkg linux laptop |
| 11:59.13 | tarzeau | (not finished yet), i'm not sure how i want to display the information yet |
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| 11:59.20 | codenut | I think I will borrow it and play with it. |
| 11:59.25 | codenut | TTFN |
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| 11:59.27 | codenut | Alan |
| 11:59.41 | jm_ | hehe what a signoff |
| 11:59.59 | rambo3 | FATAL: Module 8139t00 not found. |
| 12:00.00 | rambo3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:00.32 | rambo3 | i see u typed wrong |
| 12:00.33 | Zrin | can anyone give me a recommendation for hardware RAID controller to use with small debian servers? |
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| 12:00.42 | elfriede | Hello. I have installed a printer and loaded the necesseary USB drivers, /proc/bus/usb/devices reveals an Epson printer. lpq says "waiting for lp to become ready (offline ?)", I have added crw-rw-r-- 1 root lp 180, 0 2006-01-21 13:06 /dev/usb/lp0 to my /etc/printcat (lp=/dev/usb/lp0), what else must I do? |
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| 12:07.09 | Zrin | can anyone give me a recommendation for hardware RAID controller to use with small debian servers? |
| 12:07.42 | sepski | Zrin, 3ware |
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| 12:08.55 | Zrin | sepski: I'm looking at their website at the moment ... do they have PCI cards as well? Or just PCI-X? |
| 12:09.00 | sepski | Zrin, keep in mind that new 9000 series require a recent kernel. |
| 12:09.13 | GustavoC | Hi! I'm using the testing Debian. I'm have some problems to switch between Xorg and text mode terminal using <Ctrl><Alt><F-key>. Nothing happens when I try to switch. |
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| 12:10.13 | aeg | Hi all. i have a problem with in.ftpd on sarge: it seems it has a other layout for the dir output (missing TAB's) |
| 12:10.14 | Zrin | sepski: I'm using sarge with 2.6 kernel - would that do? |
| 12:10.27 | Golito | GustavoC, try " sudo chvt 2" for now, is x well configured? |
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| 12:10.52 | GustavoC | Golito, yes. I don |
| 12:11.15 | GustavoC | Golito, yes. I don't have the option DontVTSwitch in my xorg.conf |
| 12:11.19 | sepski | Zrin, does it have the 3w-9xxx.ko module ? |
| 12:11.45 | GustavoC | I guess it would be the cause of this, but it isn't there. |
| 12:11.47 | Zrin | sepski: I assume that module is not loaded by default |
| 12:12.20 | Golito | GustavoC, huh, I don't get it |
| 12:12.23 | sepski | Zrin, ofcourse not, but you should see it on the disk. use locate or find |
| 12:12.59 | GustavoC | "sudo chvt 2" worked. Thanks! At least I can switch now. |
| 12:13.04 | tralala | Zrin: modinfo 3w-9xxx |
| 12:13.07 | Guerin | aeg: in.ftpd? |
| 12:13.18 | sepski | Zrin, if you buy a pci-x card you wont be able to use it in pci, but the pci 64 bit cards are backward compatible to regular pc style pci slots as long as it fits. since the 64 bit extention takes some spave |
| 12:13.37 | sepski | Zrin, or you can use intel, just make sure you avoide promise controllers :) |
| 12:13.40 | Zrin | sepski: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/3w-9xxx.ko |
| 12:13.46 | GustavoC | In Xorg.conf we may put an Option "DontVTSwitch" to lock this switching. |
| 12:14.10 | Golito | oh I see |
| 12:14.20 | sepski | aye that's the one i'v only used the 8000 series tho. |
| 12:14.34 | GustavoC | But my Xorg.conf isn't with this option. So I guess this option is disabled. |
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| 12:15.17 | dr1v3r | anyon eknow any good tuts for setting up shorewall? really EASY tuts as i dont have a damn clue about anything to do with FW or IPS or anything like that lol |
| 12:15.17 | tralala | GustavoC: unless it is enabled by default in xorg |
| 12:15.36 | GustavoC | tralala, that's what I just thought. |
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| 12:16.00 | GustavoC | I'll try to put this option in my xorg.conf disabling it. |
| 12:16.02 | gau_ | what's the version of alsa in unstable ? |
| 12:16.05 | tyranix | tralala: It's not. |
| 12:16.14 | jetscreamer | dr1v3r: lokkit is like totally simple, if that helps |
| 12:16.16 | Guerin | gau_: /msg dpkg info alsa-base sid |
| 12:16.17 | zorgy | hi, i would like to know what command to use to list all users and groups |
| 12:16.17 | GustavoC | Does anyone know in which session it must be? |
| 12:16.24 | tyranix | GustavoC: I'm using xorg and I don't have that problem. But I'm on testing. Did it just break and you're using unstable? |
| 12:16.28 | jm_ | GustavoC: man page does |
| 12:16.37 | jm_ | zorgy: getent |
| 12:16.48 | GustavoC | tyranix, I'm using testing also. |
| 12:16.51 | jetscreamer | no you just need to place the option in xorg.co9nf |
| 12:16.54 | dr1v3r | jetscreamer i have looked at it for like 2 hours and it aint that simple to me |
| 12:17.03 | GustavoC | jm_, thanks |
| 12:17.08 | elfriede | How does Linux know that 180 0 is the first USB printer? |
| 12:17.08 | jetscreamer | dr1v3r: lokkit is a package |
| 12:17.17 | jetscreamer | very simple fw thingy |
| 12:17.23 | GustavoC | I've forgot manpages. Thanks! |
| 12:17.28 | jm_ | elfriede: it doesn't work that way |
| 12:17.40 | dr1v3r | yea its indtalled, but it needs configuring doesnt it? |
| 12:17.41 | sepski | in what way would i detect speed duplex mismatch in debian ? would i get anything in the logs ? |
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| 12:17.47 | dr1v3r | *installed |
| 12:17.50 | dfd | hello |
| 12:17.59 | elfriede | jm_: I figured that one out, but I have yet to find a way to connect my USB port to a real device node. |
| 12:18.02 | jm_ | sepski: not necessarily |
| 12:18.07 | jetscreamer | dr1v3r: just type lokkit, hit enter, hit enter again, iirc |
| 12:18.12 | andreiutz | how can i load cd images (different formats: iso , nrg , etc) ? |
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| 12:18.26 | jetscreamer | andreiutz: mount |
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| 12:18.36 | jetscreamer | andreiutz: nrg may take a convertor |
| 12:18.37 | elfriede | jm_: what should I do to be able to use USB with my printcap? |
| 12:18.38 | jm_ | elfriede: well the first detected printer gets lp0, the second lp1 and so on, did you read parport.txt? |
| 12:18.39 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 12:18.50 | elfriede | jm_: I'm doing this over USB. |
| 12:18.51 | dr1v3r | type lokkit in here or SSH? |
| 12:19.01 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, 10x |
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| 12:19.09 | jetscreamer | ok lokkit, enter, tab tab tab, enter |
| 12:19.12 | sepski | i have a box connected to a switch. the box's nic if i type ip -s link or ifconfig show 0 errors/dropps/overruns, but the switch claim mismatch and errors often. |
| 12:19.25 | dfd | is it safe to disable dbus daemon from boot? Is it being used for something? |
| 12:19.39 | jm_ | elfriede: it has some generic info |
| 12:19.52 | jetscreamer | dbus lets programs 'talk' to one another iirc, if that helps you any |
| 12:19.59 | dr1v3r | jetscreamer i dont have a clue what your talking about |
| 12:20.06 | dr1v3r | where do i type lokkit ? |
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| 12:20.22 | jetscreamer | dr1v3r: as root, type lokkit, hit enter, hit tab 3 times, hit enter. |
| 12:20.26 | jm_ | elfriede: i.e. load lp module |
| 12:20.33 | sepski | and i see nothing in the logs either |
| 12:20.37 | dr1v3r | lokkit: command not found |
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| 12:21.07 | elfriede | jm_: yes, I've read parport.txt, seems it is needed to autoprobe. |
| 12:21.12 | sepski | !installit |
| 12:21.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 12:21.25 | jetscreamer | apt-get install lokkit understand that this is just a very easy fwbuilder that will let you have one while you learn to make your own, or learn how to use shorewall |
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| 12:22.07 | elfriede | jm_: how do I connect the USB port to the parport interface? |
| 12:22.36 | tralala | elfriede: do you want to use a usb printer? |
| 12:22.41 | elfriede | elfriede: ah, through the lp module. |
| 12:22.45 | elfriede | tralala: exactöy- |
| 12:22.49 | jm_ | elfriede: don't bother with that, just check if lp is loaded, although I am not entirely sure this is needed, as USB printer module is called usblp |
| 12:22.49 | elfriede | tralala: exactly. |
| 12:22.59 | dr1v3r | jetscreamer its a console interface, i only have SSH access |
| 12:23.34 | jetscreamer | that should work shouldn't it |
| 12:23.38 | dr1v3r | ohh i got it |
| 12:23.40 | dr1v3r | thank you |
| 12:23.43 | jetscreamer | but! |
| 12:23.44 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 12:23.47 | jetscreamer | wiat |
| 12:23.54 | dr1v3r | yea? |
| 12:23.55 | jetscreamer | don't disable ssh in that case |
| 12:23.57 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:24.04 | elfriede | jm_: usblp is the thing I needed |
| 12:24.07 | dr1v3r | i wont :D |
| 12:24.07 | jetscreamer | there is a box to enable it |
| 12:24.22 | tralala | elfriede: I've configured mine with foomatic-gui. It was a bit tricky but it worked. |
| 12:24.37 | jetscreamer | under customize |
| 12:24.42 | elfriede | tralala: yes, the usblp was the last piece of the driver puzzle. the print queue has been cleared and the printer is "ready". the only mystery left now is why nothing happens. |
| 12:25.11 | JRWR | can anyone give me the hsync and vsync rates for a imac g3 std |
| 12:25.18 | dr1v3r | if my IPs are static will i still need DHCP? |
| 12:25.23 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:25.28 | jm_ | elfriede: doh, I though you loaded that :) |
| 12:25.32 | elfriede | tralala: printing with cups, lprng (or whatever) is the most overly complicated BS I've ever seen. :) |
| 12:25.34 | tralala | It is a bit tricky as I said. I've also got cups install before it could print although I'm not really sure if it was needed. |
| 12:25.45 | elfriede | jm_: no, I thought that I could just use the USB ports as _any_ character device. |
| 12:25.51 | elfriede | by somehow making it into a dev node |
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| 12:25.59 | jetscreamer | unless you use your static ip's in dhcp (let dhcp assign your static ip's that is) |
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| 12:26.01 | jm_ | elfriede: sure you can, as long as kernel support for it is there |
| 12:26.19 | elfriede | jm_: yes, that minor detail. |
| 12:26.30 | elfriede | however, my printer does not even ack receiving data. |
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| 12:27.03 | tralala | elfriede: did you try the foomatic stuff? |
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| 12:27.29 | valdyn | elfriede: grep -i hint /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 12:27.51 | aeg | Guerin: Yes from the std ftpd package |
| 12:28.18 | elfriede | tralala: no, I just want to print some text to it. |
| 12:28.25 | elfriede | valdyn: I'm not using cups |
| 12:28.41 | Malagmyr | How can I generate a file full of completely random crap that's about 600 megs large? (no, I don't have a windows xp cd) |
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| 12:29.02 | elfriede | Malagmyr: perhaps a dd from /dev/urandom? |
| 12:29.15 | gnube | Malagmyr, Did you look in /dev/random? |
| 12:29.39 | Malagmyr | random is nice, but how can I limit the size of the file I create? |
| 12:29.41 | coolpix | hi |
| 12:29.45 | jm_ | with dd |
| 12:29.57 | aeg | Guerin: sorry i was spitting in the bug list to check |
| 12:30.01 | Malagmyr | thanks, guys |
| 12:30.38 | jetscreamer | Malagmyr: dd |
| 12:30.42 | gnube | Malagmyr, Cheers. Just hope you have enough entropy to generate a large enough file. |
| 12:31.07 | jm_ | well he can always bang on the keyboard like mad ;) |
| 12:31.14 | gnube | hehe |
| 12:31.18 | gnube | he may have to! |
| 12:31.34 | gnube | Older kernels (2.4) run out of entropy |
| 12:31.53 | Knight_Lord | How can i know the size of a postscript? (A4, US letter, ...) |
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| 12:32.13 | gnube | Knight_Lord, Postscript is a markup languge |
| 12:32.26 | Knight_Lord | gnube meaning? |
| 12:32.28 | gnube | A postscript file has a size which is viewable with ls |
| 12:32.40 | Knight_Lord | gnube i don't mean file size |
| 12:32.53 | gnube | Knight_Lord, If you want to print the postscript file to a printer, you tell you r printer which paper size you want |
| 12:32.55 | Knight_Lord | gnube and you mean less or more? |
| 12:33.15 | gnube | The type of file should have no relevance to the size of the paper |
| 12:33.24 | Knight_Lord | gnube lpr doesn't have any option for paper size |
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| 12:33.43 | gnube | Knight_Lord, Does your printer print on A4? |
| 12:33.50 | Knight_Lord | gnube yes of course |
| 12:33.51 | gnube | Knight_Lord, Where are you located? |
| 12:34.06 | Knight_Lord | gnube sweden, it's a Xerox Phaser8400 |
| 12:34.06 | gnube | in the Geo-physical sense |
| 12:34.10 | gnube | Tjena! |
| 12:34.14 | Knight_Lord | tjena :-) |
| 12:34.18 | gnube | then use A4 |
| 12:34.40 | Knight_Lord | Yes i know, but the problem is that the printer seems not to get the A4 |
| 12:34.51 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: cat /etc/papersize |
| 12:34.52 | Knight_Lord | I tried using evince and gpdf for printing |
| 12:35.02 | Knight_Lord | valdyn a4 |
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| 12:35.32 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: then you can set the papersize at http://localhost:631/ if you use cups for your printer |
| 12:35.43 | dr1v3r | jetscreamer once its setup do i need to start it or will it auto start? |
| 12:35.43 | Malagmyr | What's the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom? |
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| 12:35.47 | gnube | Knight_Lord, I doubt the problem is the size of the paper, it more likely is connecting to the printer which is at issue |
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| 12:36.07 | gnube | Malagmyr, I have heard that /urandom is less secure, more I do not know. |
| 12:36.11 | valdyn | Malagmyr: one has better random numbers, one creates worse random numbers but much faster |
| 12:36.21 | jm_ | Malagmyr: devices.txt will tell you |
| 12:36.32 | Malagmyr | thanks |
| 12:36.36 | Knight_Lord | gnube the connection is ethernet. It does print sometimes |
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| 12:36.49 | Knight_Lord | valdyn but i want A4, yet it doesn't work |
| 12:36.55 | gnube | Knight_Lord, Aha. Hmm. |
| 12:37.07 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: what doesnt work exactly? |
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| 12:37.21 | jetscreamer | dr1v3r: config once run many |
| 12:37.32 | Knight_Lord | valdyn i go to say acroread and print my article to postscript |
| 12:37.40 | jetscreamer | it will stay till youchange it |
| 12:37.51 | Knight_Lord | valdyn then i lpr article.ps and the printer starts asking for letter paper |
| 12:38.13 | Knight_Lord | valdyn i also tried printing the pdf directly from evince and gpdf setting the paper size to A4 and the same result happens |
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| 12:38.30 | Knight_Lord | valdyn this happens with the majority of the pdf files, but not all |
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| 12:38.56 | Knight_Lord | valdyn (meaning some actually work fine) |
| 12:39.01 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: man psresize or set it with lp when you print |
| 12:39.15 | Knight_Lord | jm_ is there any way to know the size of a ps? |
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| 12:40.50 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: when you print with acroread then theres's a button on the print dialog top right corner labeled "Properties" enabling you to select the papersize |
| 12:40.52 | Knight_Lord | jm_ got it thanks:-) |
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| 12:40.56 | dr1v3r | so once its confige3d it auto starts? |
| 12:41.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 12:41.25 | dr1v3r | great :D |
| 12:41.33 | dr1v3r | thank you bud i appreciate it :D |
| 12:41.36 | Knight_Lord | jm_ actually i don't. I need to know the inital size for this to work |
| 12:41.45 | jetscreamer | even though autostart isn't exactly the right word |
| 12:42.13 | Knight_Lord | valdyn on the print dialog i don't have any properties button |
| 12:42.29 | Knight_Lord | valdyn it's adobe reader 7.0 |
| 12:42.37 | jetscreamer | one thing i don't like is if you put something on the clipboard and close the app, the clipboard is empty. |
| 12:42.53 | Knight_Lord | valdyn but there's print setup and the papersize is A4 also there |
| 12:42.56 | gnube | jetscreamer, Gnome or KDE? |
| 12:42.58 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: yea, that is what im talking about |
| 12:43.01 | zorgy | how can i make /mnt/win available to all users? |
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| 12:43.06 | jetscreamer | neither atm |
| 12:43.14 | gnube | aha. XFCE? |
| 12:43.22 | jetscreamer | gdm gnome enviroment though i believe |
| 12:43.25 | jetscreamer | icewm |
| 12:43.33 | jetscreamer | icewm-gnome |
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| 12:43.54 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 12:43.55 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 12:43.57 | gnube | gdm is Gnome display manager I believe |
| 12:44.04 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: then there's a checkbox "Chose paper size by PDF page size" |
| 12:44.06 | jetscreamer | man mount, search fmask and dmask |
| 12:44.16 | jetscreamer | man 5 mount i think |
| 12:44.23 | JRWR | how do i reconfigure x86free, my mounter just goes blank i think its my h rate |
| 12:44.30 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 12:44.31 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:44.41 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 12:44.41 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 12:44.48 | myren | when i try and install libneon25 from experimental, aptitude crashes. it doesnt even start downloading, it just SEGV's |
| 12:44.55 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: don't know off top of my head |
| 12:44.58 | jetscreamer | that's nice myren |
| 12:45.04 | jetscreamer | having fun? :) |
| 12:45.06 | myren | well, I would like libneon25 |
| 12:45.10 | jetscreamer | !experimental |
| 12:45.10 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 12:45.12 | myren | I know its experimental and all |
| 12:45.14 | Knight_Lord | valdyn, jm_ the printer is connected to an xserver i don't know if that makes any difference |
| 12:45.23 | jetscreamer | ah ok nm |
| 12:45.38 | myren | but its still just a repository. i cant see any reason for aptitude to _crash_ for loading two experimental packages |
| 12:45.39 | azeem | dpkg is in experimental currently, btw |
| 12:45.46 | azeem | so better do not dist-upgrade ;) |
| 12:45.48 | jetscreamer | try dselect |
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| 12:46.18 | Nrg_ | hi |
| 12:46.37 | Nrg_ | is there known proble with gnome in unstable? My gnome sessions doesn't seem to start.. |
| 12:46.38 | azeem | or plain apt-get |
| 12:46.40 | Nrg_ | anymore |
| 12:46.48 | myren | i have experimental pinned really low |
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| 12:47.01 | Nrg_ | I mean, after logging in from gdm I only get empty screen after the splash |
| 12:47.05 | dr1v3r | anyone know a good program that i could use to scan my machine to make sure i only have open the ports i want? |
| 12:47.24 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: printers dont connect to xservers |
| 12:47.26 | dr1v3r | i am accessing the machine remotely bythe way |
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| 12:47.36 | Nrg_ | and nothing happens.. no obvious errors in the logs/console |
| 12:47.47 | azeem | dr1v3r: nmap |
| 12:47.52 | dr1v3r | tx :D |
| 12:48.18 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: lpr -o PageSize=A4 will scale your print on the fly |
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| 12:49.00 | memic | any idea why ls -al /var/mail takes hours and produces very high cpu usage? |
| 12:49.08 | blondie | lots of mail |
| 12:49.13 | gnube | memic, lots of mail? |
| 12:49.17 | blondie | LOTS of mail |
| 12:49.26 | memic | gnube no.. |
| 12:49.40 | memic | nothing |
| 12:49.41 | memic | www:/var# du -sh mail/ |
| 12:49.41 | memic | 84M mail/ |
| 12:49.41 | memic | www:/var# |
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| 12:49.47 | Knight_Lord | valdyn it's just that when i go to the IP of the printer i get a Mac OS X server welcome page |
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| 12:49.52 | petemc | memic: anything in dmesg or messages? |
| 12:49.53 | Knight_Lord | valdyn ok i'll try that |
| 12:50.01 | Nrg_ | others not having gnome problems lately? |
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| 12:50.08 | JRWR | hwinfo is a handy tool |
| 12:50.09 | memic | petemc nothing |
| 12:50.16 | memic | i never had anything like this |
| 12:50.17 | azeem | Nrg_: maybe nobody runs GNOME on unstable in here |
| 12:50.23 | valdyn | memic: how many files are there? |
| 12:50.25 | Nrg_ | azeem, might be |
| 12:50.26 | azeem | Nrg_: did you check the debian-gtk-gnome list? |
| 12:50.28 | gnube | Knight_Lord, Is the Mac allowing you to access the printer? |
| 12:50.31 | Nrg_ | azeem, yep |
| 12:50.32 | azeem | or the bug reports? |
| 12:50.35 | gnube | Knight_Lord, Do you have printer sharing on? |
| 12:50.40 | Nrg_ | azeemm, didn't find anything related there |
| 12:50.48 | valdyn | memic: ls on just 20k files will already take a long time on some filesystems.. |
| 12:51.00 | memic | 188 files |
| 12:51.06 | memic | 80 mb |
| 12:51.10 | Nrg_ | in fact it started from gconf conversion.. I accepted it, and then gnome stopped starting.. |
| 12:51.22 | valdyn | memic: any error in 'dmesg' ? |
| 12:52.02 | N0S3 | hello |
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| 12:53.40 | tyranix | memic: If there are no errors in anything in /var/log, check the SMART status of the hard drive (with smartmontools). |
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| 12:54.39 | azeem | Nrg_: I sometimes have trouble on sarge. I then login to a simple window-manager, remove everything with my name in /tmp and kill all processes which stil might be lying around |
| 12:54.51 | Knight_Lord | valdyn amazing it worked! |
| 12:54.59 | Knight_Lord | valdyn gnube jm_ thanks for the help |
| 12:54.59 | azeem | Nrg_: another possibility would be to move .gconf away temporarily and see whether that helps |
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| 12:55.06 | theq | Hello |
| 12:55.14 | theq | Are you there? |
| 12:55.25 | azeem | yes |
| 12:55.31 | theq | :) |
| 12:55.33 | gnube | Knight_Lord, My pleasue, though I didn't do much |
| 12:55.33 | theq | Ok. |
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| 12:56.16 | halibut | I am trying to format an IDE drive with ext3, it used to be windows NTFS, I have unmounted it, but qtparted gives me the error "There was a problem with mkfs.ext3" after it reaches 100% on formatting, konq then says the device doesnt exist |
| 12:56.49 | azeem | halibut: try to run mkfs.ext3 manually |
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| 12:57.08 | jetscreamer | halibut: did you fdisk it first? |
| 12:57.13 | xwl` | Hi, seems i'm unable to `ping localhost' or `ping 127.0.0.1' ? it used to work well in a local lan environment. now i'm using ADSL. any ideas? |
| 12:57.15 | jetscreamer | change the partition type? |
| 12:57.24 | memic | tyranix funny thing is i have 100 % cpu usage with ls but no data corrpution at all |
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| 12:57.38 | jetscreamer | (i've seen it work w/o doing that though, maybe it will help not sure) |
| 12:57.39 | theq | My quest: I have just installed debian but it's not possible to complte the boot. The last message is see is something like "pci ... apgpart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 816M" |
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| 12:57.49 | chealer_ | xwl`: how did you configure DSL? |
| 12:57.51 | memic | its running on a 3ware raid |
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| 12:58.02 | xwl` | chealer_: hmm, pppoeconf |
| 12:58.02 | theq | Any work around |
| 12:58.21 | halibut | jetscreamer, I clicked on delete the current partition in qtparted, when I tried to create a new partition as ext3 the whole drive was marked as free space by qtparted, |
| 12:58.22 | jetscreamer | theq: you might change, in your bios, the 'agp window?' i forge tthe name |
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| 12:58.49 | theq | but what's the problem with debian |
| 12:58.52 | jetscreamer | halibut: i know nothing about qtparted or parted |
| 12:59.01 | theq | i had fedora c2 before and worked |
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| 12:59.12 | halibut | how would I do it from the command line? I want the whole thing ext3 |
| 12:59.14 | jetscreamer | theq: not sure. usually there isn't much of a problem |
| 12:59.17 | xwl` | chealer_: there are only two entries in the route table. might be the problem? |
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| 12:59.40 | chealer_ | xwl`: you're most likely experiencing #334361. otherwise paste your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere |
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| 12:59.54 | jetscreamer | halibut: cfdisk /dev/hdX where X=whatever, then try mke2fs -j /dev/hdXx |
| 12:59.55 | azeem | theq: you could try the 2.6 version of the installer, by typing "linux26" at the boot prompt of it |
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| 13:00.22 | Knight_Lord | memic hardware of software raid? |
| 13:00.32 | memic | hardware |
| 13:00.39 | memic | 3ware sata controller |
| 13:00.45 | Knight_Lord | memic 9500-S? |
| 13:00.56 | Knight_Lord | memic did you recently changed the kernel? |
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| 13:01.07 | memic | 7000-series |
| 13:01.24 | jetscreamer | arrzgh it's daylight |
| 13:01.45 | Knight_Lord | memic ah ok so it's 3wxxx driver right? |
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| 13:01.47 | memic | Knight_Lord no kernel change |
| 13:01.47 | xwl` | chealer_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1641 |
| 13:01.50 | Sidster | not yet .. 30 more min here |
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| 13:02.01 | memic | 3w_xxxx |
| 13:02.01 | Knight_Lord | memic ok not what i was thinking then |
| 13:02.02 | memic | yess |
| 13:02.21 | memic | i really never had anything like this |
| 13:02.30 | memic | i mean its only one dir which is slow |
| 13:02.59 | Knight_Lord | strange indeed |
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| 13:03.44 | chealer_ | xwl: it doesn't look like that bug, but you need a "auto lo" in that file |
| 13:04.04 | theq | AGP max mem in bios is 512M |
| 13:04.07 | zorgy | mmh, i modified fstab by adding the line "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0", and then i rebooted, and now the mnt/win folder is empty and has write permissions for root |
| 13:04.07 | theq | ?? |
| 13:04.24 | zorgy | did i loose any data on my win partition? |
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| 13:04.46 | jetscreamer | no you didn't |
| 13:05.04 | gnube | zorgy, Don't you have to specify type with -t, or is that just on the command line? |
| 13:05.12 | zorgy | and if i delete the win folder there is no risk at all, right? |
| 13:05.17 | jetscreamer | uh you missed some switches |
| 13:05.32 | xwl | chealer_: ok. i'll look into it. thanks! |
| 13:05.44 | gnube | yeah, and root is usually uid 0 |
| 13:06.18 | jetscreamer | try user or users |
| 13:06.22 | jetscreamer | and ro |
| 13:06.39 | jetscreamer | zorgy: umount it first before deleting |
| 13:06.47 | jetscreamer | or make sur eit is umounted |
| 13:07.11 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 13:07.12 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 13:08.42 | petemc | wtf |
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| 13:09.17 | petemc | dpkg: ro-ntfs is also ,or just use umask=022 |
| 13:09.18 | dpkg | okay, petemc |
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| 13:09.37 | jm_ | petemc: there's a point in using dmask and fmask |
| 13:09.44 | petemc | jm_: whats that? |
| 13:09.55 | jm_ | petemc: you want +x on dirs, but not on files for example |
| 13:10.11 | petemc | feh, umask on its own works ok.. |
| 13:10.21 | halibut | jetscreamer, ok, I did both commands and there were no errors, but konq says "cannot mount device" |
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| 13:10.32 | jm_ | yes but it affects both and results in same permissions |
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| 13:11.27 | jetscreamer | isn't that umask missing a digit, petemc ? |
| 13:11.30 | petemc | no |
| 13:11.33 | jm_ | naah |
| 13:11.42 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
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| 13:12.06 | zorgy | to unmount, it's just "umount /mnt/win", right? |
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| 13:12.21 | jetscreamer | halibut: it works here, for me, but i just mount stuff manually or with fstab |
| 13:12.29 | jetscreamer | zorgy: maybe sudo umount, but yeah |
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| 13:13.05 | halibut | jetscreamer, could the jumper set wrong on the HD cause this? |
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| 13:13.40 | jetscreamer | halibut: here's my current works_for_me fstab line /dev/hde1/mnt/hde1autonoauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=10000 0 |
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| 13:13.55 | jetscreamer | halibut: iyour bios might not detect it if the jumper was wrong |
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| 13:14.25 | jetscreamer | yeah ok it's not missing a digit |
| 13:14.38 | halibut | the thing is jetscreamer, I could read it fine when it was NTFS, I copied all of the windows files off of it, but now it seems to not work |
| 13:14.55 | theq | AGP max mem in bios is 512M |
| 13:14.57 | halibut | so if I could read off of it before it was formatted then it cant be a jumper problem? |
| 13:15.26 | jetscreamer | halibut: it's not ntfs anymore? |
| 13:15.55 | jetscreamer | theq i always have a problem wiht 512 set for that.. but that could just be me&mybox |
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| 13:16.26 | halibut | jetscreamer, it was ntfs, now I tried to format it ext3 |
| 13:16.32 | hawk | I've experienced occasional firefox freezes (glibc stopping the program) lately (http://qw.se/~hawk/firefox-glibc-freeze.txt). Is this something that anyone here recognizes? (This is under current Debian sid) |
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| 13:16.53 | jetscreamer | halibut: then that fstab line won't work |
| 13:16.58 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:17.31 | theq | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.40 | theq | what does this mean |
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| 13:18.16 | jetscreamer | halibut: hang on i think i'm getting confuses as to who asks what |
| 13:18.21 | jetscreamer | and what i told em |
| 13:19.20 | jetscreamer | halibut: you also need an appropriate line in fstab |
| 13:19.57 | jetscreamer | i use /dev/hdg1/mnt/hdg1autodefaults02 |
| 13:20.02 | theq | and it does not boot |
| 13:20.10 | theq | tht's the lats message is see |
| 13:20.16 | theq | last message |
| 13:20.53 | jetscreamer | halibut: i also chown the mount point before i mount it (seems to help but i didn't research it) |
| 13:21.39 | theq | what does this mean |
| 13:21.45 | jetscreamer | theq ttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=300447 |
| 13:21.55 | jetscreamer | same problem it seems |
| 13:22.20 | theq | tnx |
| 13:22.26 | Nrg_ | azeem, will try that, thanks |
| 13:22.41 | jetscreamer | err make that http not ttp |
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| 13:24.12 | asi | k |
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| 13:31.00 | JRWR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.52 | odb_ | hi |
| 13:34.05 | odb_ | someone uses opera ? |
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| 13:34.06 | ronin | odb_: lots do |
| 13:34.06 | odb_ | i found a deb file on the opera page |
| 13:34.06 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev might help JRWR .. and if not that, try modprobe psmouse |
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| 13:34.06 | jetscreamer | and if it does work add the one to /etc/modules |
| 13:34.06 | odb_ | ronin: ok, bas asked. i should ask: uses it on debian, cause its not in the apt-tree yet |
| 13:34.19 | jetscreamer | and it's XF86openserial iirc :p |
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| 13:34.59 | jetscreamer | odb_: somebody does or there wouldn't be a .deb |
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| 13:40.56 | firepol | Hi there. How can I install the Speedo font? I searched with apt-cache search but found no package containing this font. Please help... |
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| 13:43.02 | tralala | firepol: /msg dpkg speedo |
| 13:43.12 | jetscreamer | do you want it because you want it or because of the errors in the log |
| 13:43.26 | jolan | hello, i've a problem w/ a scsi DAT which is 2/3 slower since i migrated from woody to sarge |
| 13:43.52 | jolan | i've built a 2.6.8-16sarge1 kernel |
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| 13:44.05 | Nrg_ | azeem, didn't help :( I removed everything from /tmp and .gnome* .gconf* .nauti* from home directory, and even rebooted after that.. now when I login from gdm (and the new default settings are used), I get black desktop with some nautilus things in the desktop without icons, and the panel is also maybe 50 pixels wide.. "everything fucked up". |
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| 13:44.30 | Nrg_ | azeem, makes me wonder what the heck happened while updating the packages today:) |
| 13:44.33 | ricercar | Hello again |
| 13:45.13 | Nrg_ | azeem, so even the "default" gnome desktop doesn't load properly.. |
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| 13:45.36 | firepol | tralala: Package `speedo' is not installed and no info is available |
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| 13:46.15 | tralala | firepol: did you do what dpkg said? |
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| 13:46.34 | zap-clone | hello |
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| 13:46.57 | firepol | tralala: check #fllos ill show you what it gave me as message |
| 13:46.58 | zap-clone | does anybody use clamav with amavis on sarge? I just updated clamav, now it detects any message as virus... |
| 13:47.08 | firepol | tralala: #flood |
| 13:47.24 | JRWR | any one know the h and v sync rates for a imac crt |
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| 13:47.50 | tralala | !paster |
| 13:47.50 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 13:47.53 | tralala | firepol: use that |
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| 13:48.40 | Rouke | oi |
| 13:49.33 | firepol | tralala: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1642 |
| 13:49.43 | jberg | can someone recommend me a nice terminal for gnome? |
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| 13:50.37 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
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| 13:51.05 | Golito | jberg, mlterm, aterm |
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| 13:51.17 | nvz | jberg: I would never admit to it being nice, but gnome-terminal would be the first thing that comes to mind |
| 13:51.44 | nvz | jberg: I use aterm, I like its options and have gotten used to it |
| 13:51.50 | ricercar | Doesn't anyone use xterm any more? |
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| 13:52.14 | firepol | tralala: the package speedo doesn't exist, else I would not be here asking how to install the speedo font... |
| 13:52.22 | nvz | I use xterm sometimes, but I mostly use aterm.. I have a specially configured aterm on a hotkey |
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| 13:52.28 | tralala | firepol: man! I meant on the irc not on the command line! |
| 13:52.34 | tralala | !tell firepol -about speedo |
| 13:52.36 | firepol | it should be contained in some other xpack otr something. i cant find it... |
| 13:52.37 | tralala | there you go |
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| 13:53.36 | Jeeves_Moss | dpkg: howto restart NTP |
| 13:53.46 | humbletech99 | is there proper wpa support in linux yet? |
| 13:54.23 | Jeeves_Moss | humbletech99: theres great WPA crackers if thats any help. LOL |
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| 13:54.40 | firepol | tralala: in my /etc/xorg.conf there is no line trying to load Speedo. |
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| 13:55.13 | tralala | firepol: according to the info you need to add it |
| 13:55.16 | humbletech99 | cool, point me in their direction? |
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| 13:55.43 | firepol | tralala: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1643 |
| 13:56.11 | firepol | mmmh ok ill try to add it even if there is no directory in my system containg that font? |
| 13:56.25 | allgo | anyone else here experiencing stopping network traffic after a couple of minutes on debian unstable? |
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| 13:56.50 | gau | my dotmartrix printer keeps printing crap when connected to linux but it behaves when its on windows |
| 13:56.55 | gau | how do i fix this ? |
| 13:57.02 | tralala | firepol: did you install task-x-windows-system |
| 13:57.05 | gau | i configured my printer with cups |
| 13:57.20 | jetscreamer | hey wtf is task-x-windows-system btw |
| 13:57.20 | gau | and epson dotmatrix printing drivers ... |
| 13:57.23 | nvz | dot matrix printer muwhahaha |
| 13:57.40 | jetscreamer | it's the task- part i'm wondering about |
| 13:57.46 | tralala | jetscreamer: I guess aptitude show task-x-windows-system will know |
| 13:57.52 | firepol | E: Couldn't find package task-x-windows-system |
| 13:58.02 | gau | nvz: i like em dot matrix ones they go on and on and on ;) i have a laser printer and a color laser btw :) |
| 13:58.07 | jetscreamer | window not windows |
| 13:58.09 | jetscreamer | iirs |
| 13:58.11 | jetscreamer | c |
| 13:58.56 | jetscreamer | !find task- |
| 13:58.56 | firepol | E: Couldn't find package task-x-window-system either :-( |
| 13:59.04 | jetscreamer | lose the task- |
| 13:59.05 | gau | only the test page was printed properly .... aargh i hate cups for dotmatrix |
| 13:59.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'task-' (5 of 14): (/usr/share/cdd/cdd-task-lister) in misc/cdd-common ;; (/usr/lib/tasksel/med-task-files) in misc/med-common ;; (/usr/lib/tasksel/packages/task-files) in misc/education-tasks ;; (/usr/lib/planner/views/libtask-view.la) in libdevel/planner-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/gnat-gps-doc/task-manager.gif) in doc/gnat-gps-doc. |
| 13:59.27 | jetscreamer | dpkg did better than apt-cache search |
| 14:00.28 | tralala | firepol: hrm... I guess its an old factoid then. Try to add the load line anyways. |
| 14:00.43 | firepol | i added the laod line, same problem |
| 14:00.59 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.59 | jetscreamer | ec-: Regex compilation error <-- what did i do wurng |
| 14:01.09 | jetscreamer | gd cr |
| 14:01.11 | firepol | the problem is that the speedo font is not found in my system |
| 14:01.15 | ricercar | Reboot time again - ho-hum, see you |
| 14:01.31 | firepol | Font directory '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/' not found |
| 14:01.33 | jm_ | jetscreamer: *foo is pointless - just foo will do the same |
| 14:01.47 | jberg | aterm looks nice, but is there anyway i can change the font? |
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| 14:02.12 | jetscreamer | jm_: but it didn't. apt-cache search returned only one listing and dpkg found 14 |
| 14:02.21 | jetscreamer | with task- |
| 14:02.31 | jm_ | jetscreamer: dpkg is searching for files, apt-cache isn't ... |
| 14:02.45 | jetscreamer | like files in a package? |
| 14:02.48 | jm_ | yes |
| 14:02.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:03.01 | firepol | i got the problem of the speedo font using tightvcserver. i solved it by decommenting this line in /etc/vnc.conf: $XFConfigPath = "/etc/X11/xorg.conf", but now i get the speedo error if i run the command: Xvnc :2 |
| 14:03.03 | tralala | firepol: well, I checked the very same dir in my system - it is there but without any fonts inside. This doesn't disturb my X though. |
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| 14:03.35 | firepol | tralala, try to run Xvnc ... |
| 14:03.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search task-* gives a lot though. ok. |
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| 14:03.54 | IronRoses | where the apt respos file in debian? |
| 14:04.08 | IronRoses | I can't load synaptic because it apparently can't load gtk |
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| 14:05.23 | jetscreamer | IronRoses: try dselect or aptitude from console |
| 14:05.30 | jetscreamer | aptitude is the new default |
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| 14:06.52 | tuv | what is a good program for document revisions? (like msword document revisions) |
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| 14:07.19 | dvm1981_lpt | tuv, cvs ? |
| 14:07.42 | jetscreamer | maybe openoffice clones that behavior also (i dunno though) |
| 14:07.49 | jetscreamer | or abiword |
| 14:07.52 | myren | how do i set my libs dir? i need to add /usr/local/lib to my lib path |
| 14:07.55 | dvm1981_lpt | tuv, but really not the same as M$ |
| 14:08.37 | tuv | dvm1981_lpt: how are they different? |
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| 14:09.13 | dvm1981_lpt | tuv, OpenOffice is more what you search; i think |
| 14:09.17 | jm_ | myren: ld.so.conf |
| 14:09.30 | myren | thanks |
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| 14:09.50 | myren | what do i need to re-gen ld? |
| 14:10.14 | myren | there's something you have to do to refresh the libs in ld.so.conf |
| 14:10.14 | abrotman | ldconfig ? |
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| 14:10.31 | myren | yeesssh |
| 14:10.37 | myren | thanks gents |
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| 14:10.44 | dvm1981_lpt | tuv, M$ Word is an texteditor, CVS is an program to take diferent version; it's more usefull for programming; when write new stuff; but jetscreamer give you the tip; follow him ;-) |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | tuv: do you want the document to retain revisions .. or just a revision control system ? |
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| 14:11.39 | resiak | AbiWord certainly can retain revisions in the document |
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| 14:11.57 | dvm1981_lpt | abrotman, in one phrase you have discribe it; really good |
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| 14:13.00 | tuv | abrotman: i want it to retain revisions in a visible way.. like a thread |
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| 14:13.36 | dirwiz | Does anyone know when the installer will be able to install directly to a usb drive without special hacks? |
| 14:14.10 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:14.10 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:14.15 | ricardo_ | how can i conect as a root in ubuntu? |
| 14:14.47 | Rouke | sudo su |
| 14:14.49 | ronin | ricardo_: #ubuntu |
| 14:15.04 | ronin | but the process is the same regardless |
| 14:15.05 | Rouke | heh |
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| 14:18.45 | jetscreamer | ricardo_: there are some threads on the ubuntu forums about it |
| 14:19.02 | jetscreamer | i only know because somebody asked about that in another channel |
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| 14:20.38 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:20.38 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
| 14:20.54 | aeg | Guerin: Sorry i had a power down here |
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| 14:21.45 | firepol | tralala i could not solve my problem. well, thanks anyway |
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| 14:24.10 | abrotman | tuv: i mean .. you can show history in CVS/SVN .. i don't know if OO or abiword or anything can show revisions like that |
| 14:24.47 | resiak | AbiWord can. |
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| 14:25.15 | SteveGibbs | Does anyone have experience of configuring a PervTech ASP-X box from scratch? |
| 14:25.26 | tuv | abrotman: but cvs is centralized.. i will need a server and everyone else involved in the revisions will need to access it. i need somthing more distributed |
| 14:26.21 | abrotman | tuv: so you want the revisions in the document |
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| 14:27.22 | aeg | How can i fnd the version a package (in my case ftpd) ? |
| 14:27.40 | jm_ | man dpkg |
| 14:27.46 | aeg | thx |
| 14:28.17 | jm_ | look under dpkg-query-actions |
| 14:28.47 | abrotman | or apt-cache show |
| 14:29.02 | tuv | abrotman: at least i prefer this to a server model |
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| 14:29.31 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | do you drive a golf .. or a geo ? |
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| 14:30.29 | jetscreamer | maybe he's a world class golfer |
| 14:30.44 | Golfgeo | I played the Nintendo game Golf |
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| 14:31.12 | Golfgeo | and am a global person, the golf on the Globe ;-) |
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| 14:31.37 | Malagmyr | gulf? |
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| 14:32.59 | Golfgeo | got a problem with my trident fb... I use a standerd Debian kernel and the trident isn't compiled into it, so I use the VESA one. My question is wether XOrg will detect my trident or just use my VESA compliant FB that I use on the console? If it uses the Trident directly and I'm content to use VESA on the console (No extra setup required), but other wise.... |
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| 14:34.36 | abrotman | trident? .. wtf did you get one of those? |
| 14:35.01 | gb | abrotman: my notebook has a trident built in |
| 14:35.05 | jm_ | Debian kernels have support for tridentfb |
| 14:35.14 | abrotman | gb: from 1997? |
| 14:35.15 | Golfgeo | Trident Cyberblade 7/i (Laptop and AGP) |
| 14:35.37 | gb | Golfgeo: one & the same |
| 14:35.52 | Golfgeo | ? |
| 14:36.54 | gb | abrotman: lspci says 97 |
| 14:37.20 | SteveGibbs | I want to render a link_to_remote from my PervTech Stalker-Range controller, but I'm not really sure how to do this. do I have to create a partial just for the link_to_remote and render the partial? OR do I have to render_text the html output (created by hand) |
| 14:37.23 | gb | I use the trident driver with it though |
| 14:37.25 | Golfgeo | I used vga=789 to get a readable font to install and that gave me the VESA fb, but I need to use my graphics card for X |
| 14:38.05 | Golfgeo | gb, oke, how did you select it? |
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| 14:40.39 | Golfgeo | gb, on booting from the installer cd I tried: linux acpi=force debian-installer/framebuffer= with yes -> vga16b trident -> nothing tidentfb -> nothing |
| 14:40.39 | gb | Golfgeo: just selected it from the config when installing xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:41.01 | Golfgeo | gb, I use X.org (Using Etch) |
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| 14:41.31 | gb | I also kept a backup of my xf86config so when xorg trashed it for me I could recover :) |
| 14:41.32 | jm_ | tridentfb is in 2.6, not in 2.4 by the looks of it |
| 14:42.01 | gb | jm_: really, I wonder why my 2.4 kernel has it then :) |
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| 14:42.17 | Golfgeo | gb, vesa is fine for the console, but I'm afraid that once VESA has been used on the console, X.org will not be able ot detect that I have a trident and will use the VESA FB... |
| 14:42.19 | gb | I dont use stock kernek but |
| 14:42.47 | gb | Golfgeo: you dont use tridentfb on console then? |
| 14:43.31 | Golfgeo | I understand, I have a AMD k6-3 and no standerd kernel for it. But this is my laptop I use for school and don't wan't to screw it up, so I use the default kernel... |
| 14:44.06 | Golfgeo | gb, I don't, I used vga=789 to get a good font and that gave me the VESA fb... |
| 14:44.07 | jm_ | gb: not in 2.4.27 you don't |
| 14:44.15 | gb | Golfgeo: my notebook is my toy so I dont care if it works or not, so it just works :) |
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| 14:44.24 | Golfgeo | :-) |
| 14:44.38 | gb | jm_: 2.4.32 I do |
| 14:44.41 | SteveGibbs | Anyone want to watch me shitting on my webcam? |
| 14:44.51 | jm_ | gb: indeed, but Debian kernels don't have it |
| 14:44.57 | Golfgeo | jm_, gd, running the 2.6 kernel |
| 14:45.21 | jm_ | Golfgeo: do you work on console at all? |
| 14:45.31 | SteveGibbs | ok i'm clearly not getting your attention at all am i |
| 14:45.31 | Golfgeo | jm_, yea, all the time |
| 14:45.35 | gb | mm I should download & compile a 2.6 kernek when I can recover my borked gcc |
| 14:45.40 | jm_ | Golfgeo: ok then |
| 14:45.42 | SteveGibbs | :¸·/\.`¸·.'/\.';·.·/\.`¸·.'/\·¸: |
| 14:45.43 | SteveGibbs | · .~~~ ' . ·~~~ · ' .~~~ ' . ·~~~. · |
| 14:45.43 | SteveGibbs | ;·¸...·Time....';To·;...¸Draw·...;·; |
| 14:45.44 | SteveGibbs | @æ;~~~;æ§æ@;~~~@æ;æ@§~~~;æ§æ@;~~~cyf |
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| 14:46.29 | Golfgeo | jm_, I don't even use gdm.. :-) |
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| 14:46.39 | jetscreamer | gpm or gdm |
| 14:46.43 | Golfgeo | jm_, I X is needed I just go startx |
| 14:46.50 | gb | nehow had enough of here I'll be where I usually am Golfgeo if you wanna chat more bout the trident |
| 14:46.54 | gb | bye |
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| 14:47.21 | Golfgeo | Did he meen PM me? |
| 14:47.22 | jm_ | Golfgeo: so use tridentfb instead of vesafb then |
| 14:47.57 | Golfgeo | jm_ Oke, but how do I give that setup prefference to the installer? |
| 14:48.13 | jm_ | Golfgeo: why installer? you already have it installed |
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| 14:49.36 | Golfgeo | jm_, though you are right about that, I wan't to learn this. Got some other system that have wierd graphics in them and this is handy to know |
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| 14:52.06 | Golfgeo | jm_, btw, I tried "install acpi=force video=tridentfb" but this also doesn't seem to work |
| 14:52.50 | jm_ | Golfgeo: just fix it after it's installed |
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| 14:54.04 | tarzeau | did i say xchat is also piece of shit, like firefox? |
| 14:54.28 | Golfgeo | jm_, oke will do, thanks mate |
| 14:55.09 | ronin | dont know anything about xchat so you may be correct but id hardly call firefox shit |
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| 14:58.53 | cr3 | when I use vim as sudo and save a file, I get: E138: Can't write viminfo file $HOME/.viminfo! |
| 14:59.06 | jm_ | cr3: read sudo changelog to find out why |
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| 14:59.31 | jm_ | or better yet, DSA for it |
| 15:00.02 | cr3 | jm_: DSA? |
| 15:00.15 | xbox_sky | I'm curious...... I've been using ubuntu for a couple of months, and I was thinking about doing a debian kernel......now is it possible for a guy like me to do it, are the guides I can use to make it better/easier? |
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| 15:00.30 | jm_ | cr3: /msg dpkg dsa |
| 15:01.03 | jm_ | xbox_sky: Ubuntu help is in #ubuntu |
| 15:01.18 | jm_ | not quite sure what you're asking |
| 15:02.01 | ronin | xbox_sky: debian is pretty easy to install, the sarge installed is pretty straight forward assuming you can read |
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| 15:02.15 | jm_ | and assuming it supports your hardware |
| 15:02.27 | ronin | jm_: true but you can say that about any distro |
| 15:02.37 | jm_ | ronin: no doubt |
| 15:02.49 | xbox_sky | jm_ xbox_sky: Ubuntu help is in #ubunt, eh I am in #ubuntu |
| 15:03.01 | xbox_sky | I'm just curious if it's easy to switch to debian |
| 15:03.24 | jm_ | no, you can't switch, you have to reinstall |
| 15:03.24 | ronin | xbox_sky: yep back up data you want, dl and burn iso and reboot machine |
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| 15:03.35 | xbox_sky | ronin, ok so the installer is easy to manage, what about the rest? well what i'm asking for is if you guys have a great site that covers a lot about debian for a newb |
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| 15:03.47 | valdyn | !ig |
| 15:03.47 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 15:04.04 | xbox_sky | jm_ lol I don't mean to "switch" like that... if I'm going debian I'll format the whole hdd |
| 15:04.14 | xbox_sky | cheers guys |
| 15:04.22 | xbox_sky | like I said I'm just curious :) |
| 15:04.46 | ronin | xbox_sky: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 15:04.47 | jm_ | you should be OK if you're prepared to read and learn |
| 15:05.08 | ronin | and if you want one with pictures: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/09/29/installing_debian.html |
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| 15:05.18 | xbox_sky | yeah that's what I like about linux so far, evrything is logical |
| 15:05.18 | _jchaoul | what is GD library ? where i can get it? |
| 15:05.23 | xbox_sky | checking |
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| 15:05.42 | xbox_sky | tx ronin |
| 15:06.31 | rndinit0 | xbox_sky: http://www.debian-administration.org/ & howtoforge.com |
| 15:06.33 | Rippey | where can i find a woody install cd ? i need it for the dell debian installer |
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| 15:07.20 | jugglinx | http://pastebin.com/523994 im getting this error what that mean? |
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| 15:07.23 | rndinit0 | has anyone here installed apf & bfd on their box? Im having a little trouble with the init.d scripts cause they seem to follow rh standard |
| 15:07.38 | xbox_sky | cheers rndinit0 |
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| 15:07.54 | rndinit0 | xbox_sky: what do you plan to use debian for ? |
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| 15:08.34 | xbox_sky | rndinit0, actually nothing special, just like a standard os with functions to play/burn/emulate/web/ftp etc |
| 15:09.11 | xbox_sky | also I want to learn more about linux, ubuntu is great and all that, but I want to dig deeper |
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| 15:09.45 | ronin | you can dig deeper into linux using ubuntu as well xbox_sky not that im trying to talk yo uout of using debian |
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| 15:10.05 | rndinit0 | xbox_sky: hmm you might want to check out this: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
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| 15:11.05 | xbox_sky | no no it's ok, I've been using ubuntu for a comple of months mostly console since it's a lost faster if you ask me, and I just thought it would be cool/better to compile my own kernel, aka my own os in a way, but if its' too hard/or the community support isn't too user friendly I can always go back |
| 15:11.07 | beeen | who are you |
| 15:11.09 | rndinit0 | ok well here is a post on a forum that should clarify what i need help with, http://forum.ev1servers.net/showpost.php?p=375425&postcount=1137 im not too good at wording it |
| 15:11.18 | beeen | what |
| 15:11.20 | beeen | ? |
| 15:11.49 | beeen | i can't help you at that sorry |
| 15:11.56 | beeen | how are you? |
| 15:11.57 | dpkg | beeen: you know how it is... |
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| 15:12.21 | beeen | to you |
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| 15:12.48 | rndinit0 | xbox_sky: if your into optimizing your kernel and packages maybe debian isnt what you should be looking at, you might want to look at gentoo instead |
| 15:13.22 | pipeline | xbox_sky: I think he's really pussy footing around you being an idiot. |
| 15:13.23 | pzn | Hi! I need to convert many jpg images to a "kodak picture cd format", then I can view them in my DVD player. do you have any idea of how to do it in debian? I tried imagemagick and it write .pcd files, but it did not work... |
| 15:13.28 | rndinit0 | xbox_sky: if you do a stage1 install that would certainly teach a lot more about linux than using a standard binary OS |
| 15:13.40 | pipeline | xbox_sky: It's certainly easy to "optimize" your kernel and packages. It's just a waste of time. |
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| 15:14.14 | pipeline | xbox_sky: Most debian packages are built with -O2 by default. And that's about maxing out GCC's ability to optimize. Further operations come in two categories: dangerous, and expensive. |
| 15:14.18 | rndinit0 | pipeline: agreed, but one must try it to come to that conclusion |
| 15:14.19 | Acidic32 | do i need all 10 debian cd's? |
| 15:14.24 | jetscreamer | no just 1 |
| 15:14.25 | xbox_sky | whoa |
| 15:14.27 | ronin | Acidic32: depends |
| 15:14.30 | pipeline | Acidic32: All you need is the "netinstall", usually. |
| 15:14.33 | ronin | Acidic32: do you have a highspeed connection? |
| 15:14.34 | jetscreamer | and then the^^^ |
| 15:14.35 | pipeline | Acidic32: The "netinstall" is misleadingly named |
| 15:14.40 | xbox_sky | jesus I'm just curious guys, no need any sarcasm :D |
| 15:14.48 | pipeline | Acidic32: It's not actually a net install. You don't need the net to install from the netinstall disc :P |
| 15:14.50 | stew | rndinit0: if you need to write an init script, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point |
| 15:14.57 | xbox_sky | pipeline, well like I said man I'm just curious |
| 15:15.14 | Acidic32 | i want to offer linux desktops, with os installed, what disc's should i ship with the computer? |
| 15:15.21 | rndinit0 | stew: i dont really want to write one, i just want to convert one that comes with apf |
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| 15:15.22 | jetscreamer | the netinstall contains a base system you can install. the full blown cd's have more packages. |
| 15:15.42 | pipeline | xbox_sky: apt-get source and the debian new maintainer's guide are your friend. It's fun to pick apart large, complex packages and see what goes into the QA process. |
| 15:15.50 | stew | rndinit0: have a look at skeleton anyway |
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| 15:15.55 | ForrestF | Sound Server Error /dev/dsp does not Extsis |
| 15:16.02 | ForrestF | on a new install |
| 15:16.08 | xbox_sky | cool cool |
| 15:16.10 | stew | ForrestF: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 15:16.14 | Acidic32 | i want to offer linux desktops, with os installed, what disc's should i ship with the computer? |
| 15:16.15 | ForrestF | dont know |
| 15:16.21 | pipeline | Acidic32: Heh, in that case, I would probably include a complete apt mirror on the hard drive. |
| 15:16.25 | stew | Acidic32: ubuntu |
| 15:16.36 | ronin | Acidic32: guess that depends, probibly all the disks in case they dont have a decent connection |
| 15:16.41 | pipeline | Acidic32, stew: Ubuntu doesn't guarantee packages will be available. :P |
| 15:16.42 | ronin | stew: heh |
| 15:16.43 | Acidic32 | ok.. |
| 15:16.45 | xbox_sky | I'm gonna try to find a few useful guides/links and look into it, tx guys for all your help , appreciated :) |
| 15:16.53 | mrverbose | how can i set a serial port to -rts? |
| 15:17.06 | ForrestF | i think OSS |
| 15:17.10 | ForrestF | ya OSS |
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| 15:17.14 | Acidic32 | it dont bother me, im on a 8mbit broadband |
| 15:17.20 | Acidic32 | so downloads dont worry me heh |
| 15:17.25 | mrverbose | i am asking, because i have a reference-clock attached to a serial port and want to use it |
| 15:17.30 | stew | if I were shipping computers to random people that need linux desktops, i'd much sooner go with ubuntu than debian |
| 15:17.32 | ronin | Acidic32: but what about the clients? |
| 15:17.40 | Acidic32 | i know |
| 15:17.48 | Acidic32 | i will have to supply all 10cds |
| 15:17.49 | ForrestF | Acidic32: i think not 8bit cable is like 500kbs the mirror is GIGS |
| 15:17.56 | stew | Acidic32: there are 14 cds |
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| 15:18.12 | Acidic32 | ir all 14's |
| 15:18.17 | Acidic32 | or* |
| 15:18.30 | stew | Acidic32: include a copy of the install guide too then |
| 15:18.35 | Acidic32 | yea |
| 15:18.37 | ronin | stew: good idea |
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| 15:19.25 | Acidic32 | ok |
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| 15:19.44 | ronin | i like the idea though Acidic32 sell prebuilt machines with debian installed :) |
| 15:19.47 | useruser | Acidic32: can't you get dvd images somewhere? |
| 15:19.52 | ForrestF | Device: /dev/dsp (No Such File) Sound server will use null drive, this is on OSS drives |
| 15:19.59 | Acidic32 | i havent found ne |
| 15:20.19 | Cristina | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.43 | Acidic32 | oh |
| 15:21.01 | stew | ForrestF: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:21.08 | useruser | Acidic32: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 15:21.45 | Acidic32 | yeah |
| 15:21.47 | Acidic32 | i found em ;P |
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| 15:22.18 | DragonD | Got a question. If i login to my server(debian) through ssh and start a program that closes the std in/out/err file disriptors and then logout will the program continue to run? |
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| 15:22.45 | ForrestF | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 15:22.48 | useruser | DragonD: maybe if you use nohup |
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| 15:22.53 | jugglinx | http://pastebin.com/523994 im getting this error... any suggestion or a link? |
| 15:22.54 | stew | ForrestF: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:22.55 | useruser | DragonD: but screen is best for that sort of thing i think |
| 15:22.59 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 15:22.59 | stew | DragonD: start it in screen |
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| 15:23.07 | stew | DragonD: or look at nohup |
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| 15:23.11 | Pupeno | Where are zope instances created by default when installing zope from debian packages ? |
| 15:23.38 | stew | Pupeno: /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian should hopefully help you |
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| 15:24.16 | EvanCarroll | Readme s are never helpful |
| 15:24.19 | Pupeno | stew: I haven't installed the zope packages, I am installing it by hand (from sources), but I'd like to respect the hierarchi. |
| 15:24.21 | EvanCarroll | go straight to irc with your questions |
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| 15:24.43 | EvanCarroll | Pupeno: make install |
| 15:24.58 | EvanCarroll | horray for imake |
| 15:25.01 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: what ? |
| 15:25.12 | zarathustra | hi, Ive read the stuff about the gpg key, but unfortunately I cant download the key with the gpg command because a lot of ports are closed. Do you know where can I wget it ? |
| 15:25.15 | EvanCarroll | Pupeno: after you make the package, run 'make install'. |
| 15:25.28 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: I am not making any package. |
| 15:25.34 | EvanCarroll | your not building from source? |
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| 15:25.52 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: I build and installed from source. My question is where are the instances created. |
| 15:26.10 | tuv | has anyone tried the checkinstall package? is it working or not yet? |
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| 15:26.43 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: zope instances are data, similar to apache's bunch of file in /var/www/ |
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| 15:27.05 | EvanCarroll | Pupeno: i've never built zope, but generally speaking when you build from source, you use 'make' |
| 15:27.36 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: you don't get it. I have already built from sources, I have already installed those built 'binaries'. |
| 15:27.37 | EvanCarroll | Pupeno: I know zope to be a webserver, so i would like to think it just C |
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| 15:28.07 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: no, it is written in python, anyway it has a configure and it uses make. But that is not the question. |
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| 15:29.22 | EvanCarroll | I'm not sure as to what the question was, I must have misunderstood I thought you wanted to isntall the binaries you built maintaining FHS |
| 15:29.56 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: no, I wanted to install an instance maintaining the default debian hierarchi. |
| 15:30.06 | Pupeno | <Pupeno> EvanCarroll: zope instances are data, similar to apache's bunch of file in /var/www/\ |
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| 15:30.39 | ForrestF | Device: default can't be opened (Permission Denied) |
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| 15:31.09 | jugglinx | some know about mutex errors? |
| 15:31.15 | jugglinx | someone* |
| 15:31.37 | EvanCarroll | I use apache everyday, /var/www/ has nothing to do with an install of apache, it is just the default component root per httpd.conf, I have no idea how it 'instances' it |
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| 15:31.43 | Zerial | jugglinx, resource is busy .. |
| 15:31.45 | ForrestF | :P |
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| 15:32.29 | jugglinx | Zerial, which one? |
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| 15:32.46 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: creation of zope instances has nothing to do with an install of zope instances either. But, nevermind (the anwsers seems to be /var/lib/zope/ |
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| 15:33.04 | ForrestF | Deivce: Defalut Cannot Be opened (Permission Denied) ALSA sound system |
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| 15:33.14 | jugglinx | it comes from nowhere, Zerial... it appears in the console meanwhile im not doing anything... |
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| 15:33.42 | Zerial | jugglinx, using what? kde gnome icewm etc |
| 15:33.48 | setog3 | Hi, have this : Processing was halted because there were too many errors , with dpkg --configure -a ... all errors are dependency problem : like debends on gs package gs not configured yet .. what can I do ? |
| 15:33.49 | EvanCarroll | =[ Zope is on my too do list, as I'm currently learning python, I can assume that /var/lib/zope is where it stores the object files that represent the page's datastructure |
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| 15:34.04 | EvanCarroll | setog3: Did you try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 15:34.34 | Pupeno | EvanCarroll: it stores a bit more than that, it stores an instances, it contains all the object oriented database, configuration files and some starting scripts. |
| 15:34.39 | stew | ForrestF: add your self to the audio group, log out and log back in, or try as root |
| 15:34.59 | Zerial | jugglinx, algun programa que este intentando usar el dispositivo de sonido y éste esta ocupado o algo similar, a mi tb me ha pasado pero nunca me alarmé |
| 15:34.59 | jugglinx | zerial, Enlightenment 16 |
| 15:35.03 | setog3 | EvanCarroll, I have this error when running dpkg --configure -a .. |
| 15:35.11 | ForrestF | how in the world do i add myself to the audio group |
| 15:35.20 | stew | ForrestF: adduser username audio |
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| 15:36.00 | stew | setog3: show us exactly what you are doing and exactly what errors you get by putting it in a pastebin |
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| 15:36.08 | EvanCarroll | setog3: I would dpkg-reconfigure gs* |
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| 15:36.43 | loquilla | hola pablo |
| 15:36.58 | loquilla | como estas |
| 15:36.58 | zarathustra | I am having problems with a gpg key from a repository. 4F368D5D But apt-key list says it expires at 2006-01-31 |
| 15:36.58 | pitufo | ola |
| 15:37.03 | fireba11 | !es |
| 15:37.03 | stew | !es |
| 15:37.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:37.10 | jetscreamer | es tu, por que? |
| 15:37.10 | loquilla | yo muy bien |
| 15:37.11 | jair | hello guys. |
| 15:37.16 | setog3 | OK , I find , the reason is that debconf is running in an another shell (with base-config ) so , can't conf debconf .. and many dependency .. I kill this and now it's ok |
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| 15:37.20 | pitufo | hello |
| 15:37.24 | loquilla | ¿y tu? |
| 15:37.25 | ForrestF | added my self to the audio group and its still saying it |
| 15:37.31 | fireba11 | zarathustra: read topic please |
| 15:37.31 | stew | ForrestF: did you log out? |
| 15:37.38 | ForrestF | no, |
| 15:37.40 | ForrestF | :P! |
| 15:37.54 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-es |
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| 15:38.02 | fireba11 | !logsmite ForrestF |
| 15:38.05 | jetscreamer | para hablar en espanol |
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| 15:38.10 | fireba11 | hm .. should add that one |
| 15:38.47 | zarathustra | fireba11, Hmmm, Ive already downloaded and added to the keyring, maybe i did somenthing wrong |
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| 15:39.24 | pitufo | ola |
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| 15:39.32 | pez | hola< |
| 15:39.45 | pitufo | k eres |
| 15:39.48 | jose | hola pablo |
| 15:40.02 | fireba11 | can someone tell me how to tell dpkg to use a part of the command in its reply ? |
| 15:40.04 | pitufo | ola |
| 15:40.11 | jose | hola pabloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooç |
| 15:40.14 | pitufo | en español |
| 15:40.27 | jugglinx | ronin, take it easy was just one line, dude :-/ |
| 15:40.31 | stew | !ops we are being invaded by spanish trolls from 113.Red-83-41-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net |
| 15:40.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: we are being invaded by spanish trolls from 113.Red-83-41-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net |
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| 15:40.49 | jose | hola pablo |
| 15:40.54 | zarathustra | fireba11: but the problem is not with the key that the topic says, is another one |
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| 15:41.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@113.Red-83-41-133.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by LoRez |
| 15:41.05 | fireba11 | zarathustra: oh, okay |
| 15:41.05 | EvanCarroll | fireba11: Part of what command? |
| 15:41.07 | Sonny | dpkg q marginacion para los hispanos |
| 15:41.09 | oZt | Is there a command to remove all but the latest package versions from the cache? |
| 15:41.12 | thingfish | thank you, LoRez. |
| 15:41.15 | Zerial | jose, if you speak spanish join #debian-es |
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| 15:41.23 | Sonny | no me jodan |
| 15:41.24 | abrotman | Zerial: no .. they are trolls |
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| 15:41.27 | Sonny | yo me quedo donde quiero |
| 15:41.30 | Zerial | abrotman, xD |
| 15:41.30 | Sonny | jajajaja |
| 15:41.34 | abrotman | Sonny: va a #debian-es |
| 15:41.34 | Zerial | ajjaja |
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| 15:41.41 | fireba11 | EvanCarroll: like tell it when i do a !smite user to reply with soemthing like dpkg smites user [...] |
| 15:41.50 | EvanCarroll | %s |
| 15:41.52 | EvanCarroll | I believe |
| 15:41.53 | N0S3 | i need help |
| 15:41.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: moo |
| 15:41.59 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 15:41.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:42.00 | fireba11 | EvanCarroll: am giving it a try |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | boo! |
| 15:42.03 | zarathustra | I have already added the 2D230C5F , but I am having problems with 4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expires: 2006-01-31] |
| 15:42.07 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:42.08 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 15:42.09 | Sonny | I can speak in english, o en español |
| 15:42.23 | abrotman | then speak english here please |
| 15:42.28 | Sonny | lol |
| 15:42.30 | N0S3 | i installed f-prot, but i cannot find the file "f-protd" where is ??? |
| 15:42.39 | Zerial | Sonny, i only can read and write on spanish or english .. i dont speak on irc :P |
| 15:42.39 | oZt | Can I safely delete all packages in the apt archive? |
| 15:42.40 | Golfgeo | jm_, fyi, I was able to surcomvent the kernel fb when installing xserver-xorg by selecting not to use it... :-) |
| 15:42.43 | Sonny | dont miss your nerve im just joking |
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| 15:42.54 | abrotman | oZt: apt-get clean |
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| 15:43.17 | oZt | abrotman: ok |
| 15:43.23 | jetscreamer | oZt: yes unless you want to save them |
| 15:43.23 | rudenstam | I am trying to download the iso-dvd but I only get 375 MB files but they are supposed to be 4.4 gb... why is this ? |
| 15:43.34 | Sonny | too much serious issues here, a little joke is necessary right? |
| 15:43.44 | jetscreamer | rudenstam: d/l'ing via what, and putting them on what fs |
| 15:43.47 | Sonny | a little break! |
| 15:43.51 | oZt | jetscreamer: well, I can always dl them again, but I'll use apt-get clean. |
| 15:43.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: know calvin and hobbes? |
| 15:44.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:44.07 | rudenstam | jetscreamer: http or ftp -> ntfs |
| 15:44.09 | fireba11 | !loginsmite test |
| 15:44.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: transmogrifier! |
| 15:44.12 | fireba11 | hmm |
| 15:44.14 | EvanCarroll | rudenstam: your server is getting a lagspike and not accepting resumes? |
| 15:44.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a very funny one scanned here, but it's german, let me gimptranslate it |
| 15:44.21 | N0S3 | somebody?? |
| 15:44.31 | Sonny | Zerial, by the way I'm still with my problem, my laptop frezzes when I try to rebot |
| 15:44.32 | Sonny | reboot |
| 15:44.34 | tarzeau | !nickometer N0S3 |
| 15:44.34 | stew | N0S3: dpkg -L packagename |
| 15:44.35 | dpkg | 'N0S3' is 44.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 15:44.37 | rudenstam | EvanCarroll: nah.. it reports them as 375 MB |
| 15:44.49 | jetscreamer | rudenstam: if you're using windows 'maybe' you want to use wget for windows... might help |
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| 15:45.00 | EvanCarroll | the webserver reports it as 375mb, which is what is downloading at. |
| 15:45.02 | EvanCarroll | ... |
| 15:45.03 | rudenstam | jetscreamer: I'll try |
| 15:45.12 | jetscreamer | or is it wget that has a problem with large files.. i forget |
| 15:45.12 | fireba11 | !loginsmite test |
| 15:45.15 | EvanCarroll | a) your webserver sucks, b) the file really is 375mg |
| 15:45.16 | N0S3 | dpkg: are you crazy? |
| 15:45.17 | fireba11 | hmm |
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| 15:45.27 | N0S3 | stew: very thanks |
| 15:45.40 | tarzeau | you know what sucks in windows? if you have dualscreen xinerama and want to set a background picture to be only on one screen |
| 15:45.49 | tarzeau | that also sucks under gnome, and probably under kde, right? |
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| 15:45.53 | fireba11 | !loginsmite test |
| 15:45.59 | jetscreamer | xinerama in windows? |
| 15:46.00 | EvanCarroll | I think apache limits file served to 2gb |
| 15:46.05 | EvanCarroll | but I'm not sure |
| 15:46.17 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: the debian webserver has that problem too |
| 15:46.21 | jetscreamer | a debian dvd .iso shouldn't have that problem |
| 15:46.24 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: no it doesn't, it's a problem of the debian package |
| 15:46.26 | jetscreamer | on that end |
| 15:46.40 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: debian sucks. it works here |
| 15:46.40 | N0S3 | tarzeau: what it happens you? |
| 15:46.40 | fireba11 | EvanCarroll: how to get dpkg to do a /me ? |
| 15:46.45 | stew | fireba11: <action> |
| 15:46.46 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg |
| 15:46.46 | tarzeau | !confuse N0S3 |
| 15:46.47 | dpkg | Yes, who is their gouda tomorrow, N0S3? pants of the republic of swaziland with extra ham |
| 15:46.47 | useruser | rudenstam: you could use jigdo or bittorrent instead |
| 15:46.58 | fireba11 | stew ah .. :-) |
| 15:47.00 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:47.02 | rudenstam | jetscreamer: same error.. and I get same error when downloading on linux also |
| 15:47.08 | tarzeau | !crazy |
| 15:47.08 | dpkg | you so cuhraaazy, tarzeau |
| 15:47.10 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, you are a real helper . You are on this channel from hours and still respond rapidly to questions , solving problems |
| 15:47.11 | EvanCarroll | Apache 2.2 supports 2gb+ files |
| 15:47.17 | rudenstam | useruser: it's for a friend who knows very little about computers.. so iso would be easiest... |
| 15:47.21 | EvanCarroll | however previous versions *do not* |
| 15:47.22 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: 2.2? |
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| 15:47.26 | EvanCarroll | tarzeau: right. |
| 15:47.28 | jetscreamer | rudenstam: i 'think' it's the client you're using to d/l with. not sure. |
| 15:47.29 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: apache 2.2? |
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| 15:47.34 | useruser | rudenstam: yes, i mean *you* use those tools to grab an iso |
| 15:47.35 | EvanCarroll | yes, apache 2.2 |
| 15:47.43 | EvanCarroll | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/new_features_2_2.html |
| 15:47.44 | fireba11 | !loginsmite test |
| 15:47.45 | EvanCarroll | grep 2gb |
| 15:47.48 | rudenstam | useruser: but it's he that needs to do the grabing |
| 15:47.55 | fireba11 | hmm am too dumb *g* |
| 15:48.01 | useruser | rudenstam: ah :) |
| 15:48.01 | rudenstam | jetscreamer: I try to get it from here: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-iso/3.1_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:48.05 | raf256 | !smitesmite fireba11 |
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| 15:48.12 | raf256 | stop all the smitting already damnit |
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| 15:48.25 | fireba11 | raf256: am trying to add a new one ... ^^ |
| 15:48.35 | raf256 | !bushsmite fireba11 |
| 15:48.42 | N0S3 | tarzeau: because you attack me? |
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| 15:48.50 | tarzeau | N0S3: where? can you quote? |
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| 15:49.03 | jetscreamer | rudenstam: i get the client reporting that file as 375mb also when it's d/l'ing it |
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| 15:49.10 | fireba11 | !loginsmite test |
| 15:49.15 | N0S3 | :( |
| 15:49.15 | fireba11 | ah, damng |
| 15:49.19 | fireba11 | i give up |
| 15:49.25 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: true: http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:49.29 | rudenstam | jetscreamer: yet the webserver reports it as 4.4 g |
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| 15:49.31 | stew | fireba11: /msg the bot or play in #debian-bots |
| 15:49.32 | jetscreamer | fireba11: making one of those is a lot harder than it looks |
| 15:49.40 | azeem | 16:38 < tarzeau> !nickometer N0S3 |
| 15:49.41 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll: it's really a debian problem |
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| 15:49.47 | tarzeau | azeem: that is an attack? |
| 15:49.50 | azeem | it is rude |
| 15:49.54 | tarzeau | it's not an attack |
| 15:49.57 | tarzeau | and it's not rude either |
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| 15:50.13 | azeem | I guess that is for both sides to see |
| 15:50.16 | LarsAC | hi. I just locked myself out of my dedicated server using shorewall which seems to be outdated in sarge. any better ideas what to use ? |
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| 15:50.25 | EvanCarroll | I'm not sold into that, I don't believe it is a debian problem. |
| 15:50.31 | N0S3 | azeem::) |
| 15:50.39 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: apache1 or apache2 |
| 15:50.40 | abrotman | ? |
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| 15:50.46 | EvanCarroll | Either. |
| 15:50.54 | fireba11 | stew: sorry, will do that .. |
| 15:50.57 | EvanCarroll | Apache 1 and apache 2 prior to 2.2 did not support 2gb files. |
| 15:51.14 | EvanCarroll | that has nothing to do with debian... |
| 15:51.41 | abrotman | then .. ask #apache if there's a backport or someway around it ? |
| 15:51.43 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, how old are you ? |
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| 15:51.46 | jetscreamer | well i've had that problem before rudenstam and it was my client |
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| 15:51.51 | EvanCarroll | jsut because some kid put a footer on the bottom of a page and blamed debian doesn't change a limitation in old versions of apache |
| 15:51.56 | jetscreamer | almost 45 in 20 days or so |
| 15:52.06 | rudenstam | jetscreamer: okey.. wonder what client to use then |
| 15:52.08 | thingfish | yay! another oldster. |
| 15:52.20 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: Not my problem. someone else had a question about a 4.4gb file in apache, I was on the blame apache side |
| 15:52.27 | ronin | nice to see im not the old man here |
| 15:52.40 | thingfish | I'm probably old man here - I'm 48. |
| 15:52.45 | andreiutz | jetscreamer, way to go |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: it also depends on the host FS .. i think .. ie .. if the file resides on an nfs export .. that could be an issue .. or if it's an older kernel using ext2 |
| 15:53.02 | andreiutz | i'm 22 |
| 15:53.07 | orjan | thingfish: ha 54 |
| 15:53.13 | thingfish | yay! orjan |
| 15:53.16 | EvanCarroll | abrotman: Or if it just a limitation of apache 1.x and versions prior to 2.2 |
| 15:53.22 | stew | abrotman: nfs handles large files without problems |
| 15:53.22 | tarzeau | EvanCarroll, abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2005/04/msg00060.html |
| 15:53.23 | EvanCarroll | which the apache build notes clearly say it is |
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| 15:53.45 | useruser | rudenstam: is your client using windows? Under Windows, you might want to try FileZilla (FTP) or Fresh Download (HTTP) |
| 15:54.04 | rudenstam | useruser: k.. |
| 15:54.07 | abrotman | stew: newer versions .. yes |
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| 15:54.34 | abrotman | stew: depending on the age .. i think there's an issue(like .. old old) |
| 15:54.44 | N0S3 | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 15:54.46 | dpkg | 'tarzeau' is 0.000% lame, n0s3 |
| 15:54.47 | stew | abrotman: ok, yeah, no doubt |
| 15:54.50 | abrotman | N0S3: STOP |
| 15:54.50 | N0S3 | dpkg: 'tarzeau' is 44.000% lame, N0S3 |
| 15:54.50 | dpkg | N0S3: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:55.14 | N0S3 | :( |
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| 15:56.03 | kspath | abrotman: the NFS of 1997 is calling you? /me runs and hides |
| 15:56.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:56.21 | abrotman | i think it's more recent than that .. butnot by much |
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| 15:56.29 | abrotman | but tarzeau hit the nail on the head |
| 15:57.00 | stew | wow, 2 drives dropped of my big array in the last 24 hours without me noticing |
| 15:57.04 | stew | ruh roh |
| 15:57.06 | N0S3 | abrotman: ok im stop |
| 15:57.14 | jetscreamer | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso (4688920576 bytes). |
| 15:57.18 | abrotman | N0S3: thank you |
| 15:57.31 | jetscreamer | ftp client |
| 15:57.35 | jetscreamer | and ftp |
| 15:57.51 | N0S3 | abrotman: it is that I was offended for tarzeau |
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| 15:58.05 | jetscreamer | for? |
| 15:58.08 | abrotman | N0S3: ok .. fine .. just stop |
| 15:58.09 | azeem | N0S3: so you do the same to him? |
| 15:58.13 | jetscreamer | or by |
| 15:58.15 | abrotman | N0S3: maybe some day tarzeau will apologize |
| 15:58.15 | jetscreamer | by |
| 15:58.16 | stew | N0S3: use /ignore and just move on |
| 15:58.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha |
| 15:58.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: dpkg should |
| 15:58.34 | tarzeau | i just talk to dpkg, and someone else gets offended |
| 15:58.41 | jetscreamer | rudenstam: ms ftp client seems to work |
| 15:58.42 | ronin | if thats all it takes to get offended they must have a tough life :) |
| 15:58.42 | azeem | "Guns don't kill people, dpkg do" |
| 15:59.08 | azeem | ronin: or be from a different culture |
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| 15:59.18 | Sonny | well I still have the sam problem, my laptop freezes with a black screen when Itry to reboot, it closes all the programs and after the "rebooting" message it freezes, any idea? |
| 15:59.24 | tarzeau | N0S3: try #arabeyes and a real irc client |
| 15:59.30 | kspath | NOS3: I am offended that someone uses a nick with NOS in it since NOS offends me DEEPLY |
| 15:59.38 | ronin | azeem: yes but still if thats all its takes to get offended regardless of what culture |
| 15:59.39 | jetscreamer | try acpi=off Sonny might help |
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| 15:59.50 | stew | kspath: use /ignore |
| 15:59.51 | jetscreamer | i want to own a NOC |
| 15:59.54 | azeem | ronin: it is easy to avoid, though |
| 15:59.54 | tarzeau | kspath: it's just horrible to type N0S3 |
| 16:00.06 | azeem | tarzeau: so get a decent irc client, sheeesh |
| 16:00.08 | jetscreamer | nos3 isn't that a chemical? |
| 16:00.13 | ronin | azeem: yep dont get offended so easily especially on irc of all places :) |
| 16:00.19 | ronin | but thats enough of that off topic |
| 16:00.29 | tarzeau | N0S3: because 0 is a not so much used character, and makes your hand/finger move unnatural far to type |
| 16:00.35 | azeem | ronin: this is a Debia help channel, not a "don't get offended" seminar |
| 16:00.38 | azeem | Debian, even |
| 16:00.40 | tarzeau | azeem: or a decent keyboard? it doesn't exist |
| 16:00.48 | Sonny | jetscreamer, Ihave tried acpi=off, acpi=ht, reboot=b, but the problem persists |
| 16:00.48 | tarzeau | azeem: he should get a natural, non offending nickname |
| 16:00.50 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.50 | azeem | tarzeau: /ignore |
| 16:01.09 | tarzeau | it's not that i want to ignore people, but i don't want to break my fingers helping them |
| 16:01.11 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.14 | abrotman | ronin: it's actually N0S .. that's a zero :) |
| 16:01.16 | azeem | tarzeau: so don#t |
| 16:01.26 | azeem | tarzeau: it's better than to ridicule them for their nicks |
| 16:01.36 | ronin | that offends me azeem ;) |
| 16:01.37 | stew | tarzeau: you didn't seem to be trouble to type his nick multiple times to use the bot to belittle him |
| 16:01.39 | tarzeau | usually people find it funny |
| 16:01.41 | kspath | abrotman: oh, heck I thought it was a Network Operating System (cough) person |
| 16:01.43 | jetscreamer | Sonny: what kind of laptop? there are some dell and other modules in the kernel that 'may' help |
| 16:01.43 | azeem | tarzeau: huh? |
| 16:01.51 | tarzeau | that was like the first time you find it ridiculing, and he offending |
| 16:01.59 | azeem | nickometer is one of the single most annoying things in here, IMHO |
| 16:02.02 | ronin | azeem: good thats where my beer is |
| 16:02.03 | tarzeau | azeem: people find dpkg nickometer and nickmeter funny |
| 16:02.05 | stew | abrotman: don't put baby in a corner |
| 16:02.07 | tarzeau | people with sense of humor |
| 16:02.14 | abrotman | stew: okeedokee |
| 16:02.26 | Sonny | jetscreamer, Toshiba Satellite A75-S229 |
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| 16:02.34 | tarzeau | azeem: can it be ignored? |
| 16:02.38 | Eulex | !laptop |
| 16:02.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 16:02.52 | Ungy | Sonny, that is a nice laptop |
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| 16:03.06 | azeem | tarzeau: it would be easier if you acknowledged that it *does* offend people from time to time, and then apologize |
| 16:03.16 | Sonny | Ungy, yep but the speakers in this place..... :( |
| 16:03.21 | tarzeau | azeem: sorry i really can't |
| 16:03.29 | deb_user | i have a question about mounting a partition...I'd like to mount a partition like: /var/mail/quarantine onto my /usr/local/ partition...anybody point me to a brief tutorial on how to do this? |
| 16:03.42 | azeem | tarzeau: I'm sorry for you then |
| 16:03.49 | tarzeau | that's fine |
| 16:03.55 | ronin | hope no one gets offended but this is just so much fun i have to go for lunch |
| 16:04.00 | jetscreamer | toshiba laptop hd's seem to break a lot, to me. |
| 16:04.07 | jetscreamer | i've worked on 2. |
| 16:04.13 | jetscreamer | both were hd |
| 16:04.39 | Ungy | Sonny I bought my wife a Acer travelmate 814 it was cheaper more bang for you buck wanted a toshiba though couldn;t afford what she wated in the Satelite series |
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| 16:04.47 | Sonny | jetscreamer, really? my toshiba has a IBM hd and its working good! |
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| 16:05.01 | jetscreamer | Sonny: all were toshiba brand hd's |
| 16:05.04 | jetscreamer | err both |
| 16:05.32 | thingfish | to me, it seems like nickometer is only used to make fun of peoples' nicks. not that some peoples' nicks don't merit poking fun at. |
| 16:05.35 | jetscreamer | sonny i forget exactly what laptop modules are in the kernel, can't remember if there is a toshiba one or not |
| 16:05.41 | jetscreamer | dell i remember though |
| 16:05.56 | tarzeau | thingfish: ever tried nickmeter without o? the crown of all fun |
| 16:06.11 | thingfish | tarzeau: I'll give it a whirl. |
| 16:06.19 | deb_user | i have a question about mounting a partition...I'd like to mount a partition like: /var/mail/quarantine onto my /usr/local/ partition...anybody point me to a brief tutorial on how to do this? |
| 16:06.29 | jetscreamer | --bind |
| 16:06.31 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 16:06.36 | Ungy | !nickometer Ungy |
| 16:06.38 | dpkg | 'Ungy' is 0.000% lame, ungy |
| 16:06.45 | jetscreamer | deb_user: ^^ |
| 16:07.13 | Sonny | jetscreamer, so there's no solution to my problem? |
| 16:07.27 | abrotman | what's the problem with his laptop ? |
| 16:07.33 | jetscreamer | Sonny: i'm sure there is, it's just that i don't know what it is |
| 16:08.22 | Ungy | Sonny, keep searching look through packages try to find anythign to do with power management features and Toshiba |
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| 16:08.34 | Ungy | abrotman, it freezes on reboot |
| 16:08.46 | abrotman | Sonny: maybe it's acpi or apm causing the issue? |
| 16:08.47 | jetscreamer | Sonny: abrotman isn't a total idiot ( :) ) tell him... ok nm you did |
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| 16:09.12 | jetscreamer | he had a more detailed expanation earlier |
| 16:09.14 | abrotman | we have laptops here(running win32) that will lock on reboot .. bad ACPI implementation |
| 16:09.15 | Sonny | jetscreamer, Ungy: With the 2.6.8 kernel my laptop rebooted correctly.... why not with the 2.6.12 ? |
| 16:09.26 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 16:09.30 | Ungy | oh |
| 16:09.39 | stew | Sonny: what version of debian? |
| 16:09.42 | abrotman | freezes *where*? .. on the POST? |
| 16:09.57 | RichiH | stew: i klined the host so they will not return too soon |
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| 16:10.18 | Sonny | stew: debian sarge, but I have installed a new kernel-image 2.6.12 |
| 16:10.25 | stew | RichiH: great, thanks. it will last at least until he gets a new dynamic ip ;) |
| 16:10.31 | RichiH | is there any way to script passing a password to scp? |
| 16:10.45 | RichiH | stew: yah, well, i can't do ze magic ;) |
| 16:10.49 | stew | RichiH: any reason you can't use ssh-keys instead? |
| 16:10.53 | jetscreamer | Sonny: is that like a backport or something? (is 2.6.12 in sarge?) |
| 16:10.57 | Ungy | Sonny fnfxd toshset and toshutils avialable for toshiba laptops |
| 16:11.00 | stew | RichiH: yeah of course. I didn't mean to sound snide :) |
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| 16:11.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's in etch |
| 16:11.24 | abrotman | Sonny: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:11.29 | jetscreamer | yeah but he said sarge |
| 16:11.33 | Ungy | RichiH, why not use key pairs? |
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| 16:11.51 | abrotman | jetscreamer: sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 16:12.08 | RichiH | stew, Ungy: no real reason, tbh. both is immensely insecure, i guess ;) |
| 16:12.10 | Sonny | Ungy, are those packages? |
| 16:12.12 | jetscreamer | yes that's what i thought irc'd |
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| 16:12.14 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 16:12.15 | halibut | how do I wipe all data off a disk and make 1 single ext3 partition taking up 100% of the drive? I deleted the old partition and then created a new one with qtparted but it now reports 1GB of the drive has been used!? |
| 16:12.17 | RichiH | but in this case, there seems to be no other way |
| 16:12.32 | Ungy | Sonny, yeah in sid dunno if they are in Sarge |
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| 16:12.46 | ogami1972 | hello all |
| 16:12.48 | jetscreamer | halibut: depending on the size of the partition, the inodes can take up a lot of space |
| 16:12.58 | jetscreamer | is why i went jfs |
| 16:13.04 | ogami1972 | am getting kernel panic message on a fresh install |
| 16:13.11 | abrotman | halibut: cfdisk/fdisk |
| 16:13.12 | ogami1972 | anyone have advice? |
| 16:13.12 | halibut | jetscreamer, the partition is 120GB, well actually it's about 111. |
| 16:13.17 | stew | RichiH: yeah, i think that having scp/ssh allowing a password to come from a script opens up the door to even more security problems though, like keyloggers that you don't realize are sitting between you and your ssh password prompt |
| 16:13.28 | jetscreamer | halibut: yeah it's 'probably' the inodes and stuff |
| 16:13.40 | Ungy | RichiH, I guess depending on what you need to do though I would go with a keypair |
| 16:13.58 | ogami1972 | it sez "pivot_root: no such file or device" |
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| 16:14.01 | Sonny | Ungy let me see |
| 16:14.30 | Zerial | ogami1972, do you use initrd? |
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| 16:14.42 | jetscreamer | Zerial: him say 'fresh install' |
| 16:15.17 | ogami1972 | i am a relative newbie- i think i do, but do not know- am trying to install the agnula distro on an SATA drive |
| 16:15.28 | jetscreamer | the what? |
| 16:15.41 | jetscreamer | agnula isn't here |
| 16:15.57 | ogami1972 | i'm just looking for any help |
| 16:16.28 | jetscreamer | ogami1972: your error msg is commonly caused by incorrect use of the initrd statement in the bootloader |
| 16:16.31 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 16:16.32 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 16:17.03 | ogami1972 | i found a bug report on the web re: this issue, and the person said it has to do with "hdxs instead of sdxs in the config files"- he suggested editing grub, but grub seems ok |
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| 16:17.18 | jetscreamer | but that pivot_root is something else and i forget what little i knew about it and isn't a stock debian thing iirc but i dunno |
| 16:17.23 | ogami1972 | (hd0,0) is /dev/hda1 |
| 16:17.48 | jetscreamer | hd0 is dependent on what you actually booted from |
| 16:17.57 | jetscreamer | and changes on the fly |
| 16:17.58 | ogami1972 | so far , the only distro i've been able to install is ubuntu |
| 16:18.00 | Sonny | how can I install the modules for my wifi to my laptop? I havere the tar.bz2 file |
| 16:18.16 | stew | Sonny: what chipset? which driver? |
| 16:18.27 | jetscreamer | Sonny: i'd see if the modules are in the kernel before you go trying to compile em |
| 16:18.35 | jetscreamer | and so we come to why 2.6.12 |
| 16:18.41 | Sonny | stew: atheros, I already have the driver |
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| 16:18.42 | ogami1972 | he then said he got it to work by "compiling the latest kernel"- but how did he do that if it won't even boot? |
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| 16:18.57 | jetscreamer | atheros is ath0 not eth0 i heard |
| 16:18.59 | Sonny | jetscreamer: they aren't |
| 16:19.01 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 16:19.07 | stew | Sonny: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 16:20.02 | Sonny | Ungy, yeah I have those packages for tshiba here! in sarge! |
| 16:20.02 | carbon60 | Good morning all. |
| 16:20.14 | jetscreamer | ogami1972: boot a livecd like #kanotix is one way |
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| 16:20.18 | carbon60 | Anyone quickly know where to put an explicit route for exim? |
| 16:20.46 | Sonny | stew: ??? I have the madwifi.tar.gz file |
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| 16:21.10 | jetscreamer | sonny tar xvzf will unpack em |
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| 16:21.21 | stew | Sonny: if you don't want to do it the debian way, then follow INSTALL and README in the .tar.gz, if you want to do it the debian way /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 16:22.00 | carbon60 | jetscreamer: Yes, the fancy exim4 debian package in particular. |
| 16:22.17 | Sonny | stew: of course the debian way |
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| 16:23.16 | jetscreamer | actually ogami1972 you might like kanotix |
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| 16:24.38 | jetscreamer | carbon60: i know nothing. but http://www.google.com/linux?q=route+exim4&restrict=linux seems maybe helpful |
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| 16:25.21 | carbon60 | jetscreamer: Yeah, done that. |
| 16:25.23 | secureboot | anyone know how to invoke a chroot command that has a pipe? so, like chroot ./mount_dir ls -l | wc -l |
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| 16:25.30 | RichiH | stew, Ungy: i just used ssh-agent, now. works. |
| 16:25.31 | RichiH | :) |
| 16:25.37 | carbon60 | jetscreamer: Didn't really something specific. I'm digging through the docs now though. |
| 16:25.40 | secureboot | i tried "ls -l | wc -l", but that gives "command not found" |
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| 16:26.00 | rpt | not exactly debian related, but simple enough for someone; how do I cut one long command to multiple lines while doing /bin/sh scripts? (such as \ in c++) |
| 16:26.07 | Ungy | RichiH, ahh good call |
| 16:26.16 | friwot | ciao |
| 16:26.21 | jetscreamer | :( sorry i don't know -d-all+route looked interesting |
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| 16:27.05 | valdyn | rpt: with \ |
| 16:27.07 | stew | secureboot: maybe: chroot /somewhere bash -c "ls -l | wc -l" |
| 16:27.22 | rpt | valdyn: hmm i tried it did not work |
| 16:27.37 | zebalin4 | The 'man' system I use has a pager called 'most'. It uses light green to highlight and hurts my eyes. Were is config file to change this? Or is it some system color? |
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| 16:28.08 | jetscreamer | http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/openna/1.0/DOCS/Exim-Manual.pdf |
| 16:28.09 | Sonny | stew: what was the command? msj dpkg madwifi install? |
| 16:28.11 | rpt | valdyn: yea ok i needed an extra space in it ;) thanks |
| 16:28.17 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg |
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| 16:28.18 | stew | !tell Sonny about madwifi-install |
| 16:28.26 | jetscreamer | madwifi-install i think |
| 16:28.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:28.51 | FliesLikeABrick | what is the easiest way to add a user who can't login via ssh? |
| 16:29.07 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: set their shell to /bin/false |
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| 16:30.41 | stew | zebalin4: did you check man most and /usr/share/doc/most/ ? |
| 16:31.30 | zebalin4 | stew: yes, I even changed the most.rc in usr/share/doc/most. No change. Gotta be a file somewhere that controls this. Maybe its a system color? Where are they set? |
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| 16:31.44 | FliesLikeABrick | stew is there a way to do it that won't also disable ftp logins? |
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| 16:33.40 | danieldg | FliesLikeABrick: you can disallow logins in sshd_config |
| 16:33.47 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: which ftp server do you use? |
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| 16:34.05 | FliesLikeABrick | danieldg aware, but i was curious if there was a way i could do it while using adduser |
| 16:34.08 | FliesLikeABrick | stew vsftpd |
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| 16:34.25 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: don't know about that one, but i know others have an option to allow ftp users that don't have valid shells |
| 16:34.34 | FliesLikeABrick | k stew i'll check the config |
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| 16:34.53 | jberg | how do install mplayer from the debian packages here http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/ ? |
| 16:35.01 | stew | jberg: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:35.23 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:35.26 | jetscreamer | use marillat |
| 16:35.30 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 16:35.30 | dpkg | methinks marillat is (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 16:35.40 | jberg | thanks! |
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| 16:36.21 | maximus | Hi I am having an issue mounting vfaty partitions... |
| 16:36.27 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 16:36.28 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 16:36.34 | maximus | dmesg..... Unable to load NLS charset 437 |
| 16:36.42 | maximus | FAT: IO charset 437 not found |
| 16:37.07 | jetscreamer | that's a function of the kernel. did you compile your own kernel? |
| 16:37.15 | maximus | I did build into the kernel codepage 437 and I also rebuilt kernel with it as a moudle still no go |
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| 16:37.17 | jetscreamer | (iirc) |
| 16:37.21 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i wanted to know if there's a way to add a user from a script with in command line the password for this user. the thing is adduser propose it but i have to give the password "encrypted" which i eventually can do but the function crypt() (man 3 crypt) requires a "salt grain" how does debian generates this grain salt or is there a place i should put it on ? |
| 16:37.21 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 16:37.32 | jetscreamer | beyond me then dude sorry |
| 16:38.07 | maximus | CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y |
| 16:38.22 | stew | Estes2: "mkpasswd -H md5" will generate a crypted passwd |
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| 16:38.38 | Estes2 | stew, cool, thanks |
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| 16:40.36 | jberg | when i try to add that marillat-thing (etch) and do apt-cache search mplayer it says it can't open the file on the server or something |
| 16:40.40 | FliesLikeABrick | stew i got it. I had to change pam settings so that pam wouldn't interfere with it |
| 16:41.27 | chakatz | GKrellM indicates that something is writing 16k of data to my hard disk every 5 seconds. How can I tell what program is doing the writing? |
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| 16:41.49 | peet | hey guys, what are the benefits of using a non-preemptive kernel |
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| 16:42.01 | Estes2 | stew, doesn't seem to work, i ran this with a password i know and compared to one stored in /etc/shadow and still is different. mkpasswd man page says it wants a SALT too thoguh... how do i get the salt ? |
| 16:42.16 | valdyn | peet: throughput and maybe stability |
| 16:42.20 | Sonny | I was following the steps of dpkg to install madwifi modules, but in the final step it failed, why? |
| 16:42.41 | peet | valdyn: what do you mean by throughput? |
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| 16:42.56 | valdyn | peet: speed |
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| 16:43.39 | Sonny | stew: have you read my message? |
| 16:43.43 | jetscreamer | pasv... i know what it messes up but what is it? :) /me googles |
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| 16:44.08 | azeem | Sonny: don't /msg people, if you meant that |
| 16:44.18 | azeem | Sonny: most will not read it anyway, as you are not registered |
| 16:44.26 | stew | Estes2: the passwords differed becuase they used different salt, the salt is the first 8 digits after the $1$ |
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| 16:44.41 | stew | Estes2: becuase they differred doesn't mean it didn't work |
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| 16:45.06 | Sonny | azzem, I tell stew that because hi recommended me to do that |
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| 16:45.17 | ClayG | Anyone know of a program that will exprort thunderbird account info? |
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| 16:45.25 | stew | Estes2: salt is just used to make it so that the same password doesn't always generate the same hash, so that crackers cant' just carry around a dictionary of hashed passwords, they actually have to crack them with the given salt |
| 16:45.27 | ClayG | lol or gaim for that matter |
| 16:45.31 | Estes2 | stew, first 8 digits after $1$ ? what is $1$ ?? first argument ? |
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| 16:45.47 | stew | Sonny: show us the actual errors you got |
| 16:45.48 | jetscreamer | does that say that pasv is some java extender module for apache? |
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| 16:46.04 | Estes2 | stew, ok, but then, how debian determines if the password is valid ? |
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| 16:46.13 | stew | Estes2: you have a crypted password you are comparing with from /etc/shadow, right? that password hash starts with $1$ |
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| 16:46.42 | jetscreamer | omg tenhut |
| 16:46.44 | stew | Estes2: it takes the password, looks up the hash, adds the salt to the end of the password, hashes the password, and sees if the hashes match |
| 16:46.47 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:46.51 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:47.16 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure ?dm needs a nodm option |
| 16:47.22 | Estes2 | stew, okay, i'll do thsi way then :) |
| 16:47.25 | Estes2 | thanks ! |
| 16:47.39 | jetscreamer | i have yet to send that |
| 16:47.45 | stew | Estes2: in most casees you can leave the salt blank, and have it generate a random one (this is a good thing) |
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| 16:48.34 | Sonny | stew: the module-assistant fails: "build of the package madwifi-source failded!" |
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| 16:48.46 | Estes2 | stew, okay then :) |
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| 16:48.50 | Estes2 | thanks a lot |
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| 16:49.21 | stew | Sonny: but it didnt' give you any build errors? |
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| 16:50.12 | FarrisG | Sort of OT, but this seems like a good place to ask: Radio studios use ISDN lines for remote interviews. Are there any existing applications for doing this via WAN, PC to PC? I realize it would require reliable, low-latency connection end to end, but it seems quite doable, especially via IPv6 with QoS, etc. Any ideas? |
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| 16:50.24 | djp | how do i setup scsi emulation under debian 3.1 sarge. i am usinig the 2.6 kernel. i need scsi emulation to get xcdroast working. iti is so slow when using atapi. |
| 16:50.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: still there? |
| 16:50.37 | Sonny | stew: I see the log, but I can paste the output here |
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| 16:50.57 | azeem | !paster |
| 16:50.57 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:51.03 | kspath | abrotman is not still sleeping? |
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| 16:51.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/glasses.jpg |
| 16:51.26 | Pablo | I just installed debian on my dell d600 and I cant seem to get my resoulution higher than 800x600... can someone please tell me where I need to make changes... it is capable of 1024x768 and has a radeon 9000 video card |
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| 16:51.34 | tarzeau | kspath: he just lags, that's normal |
| 16:51.37 | blaamann | djp: http://www-oss.fnal.gov/projects/fermilinux/common/class/advanced-admin/cdburn.html |
| 16:51.42 | maarten_ | hm |
| 16:51.50 | djp | blaamann, thanks |
| 16:51.55 | stew | Pablo: did you choose the "ati" driver when you setup debian? |
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| 16:52.01 | Pablo | yes I did |
| 16:52.18 | maarten_ | i wonder, i run debian under windows right now, through X11 forwarding, am I in windows or linux? :S |
| 16:52.31 | stew | Pablo: you likely specified incorrect refresh rates for your monitor then |
| 16:52.32 | Sonny | stew: the errors start with this: /usr/src/modules/madwifi/ath/if_ath_pci.c 245 error: too many arguments |
| 16:52.55 | Pablo | stew: its an lcd 60hz |
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| 16:53.14 | BucWheat | i have a serious problem with several debian (sarge 3.1) boxes out on remote locations when the power is removed the system shutsdown improperly and i'm having to walk them through fsck /dev/sda1 in order to get the system back up |
| 16:53.43 | BucWheat | if i could somehow give the www user reboot/shutdown access they can use the web based software to reboot the box |
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| 16:53.52 | bbrazil | BucWheat: sudo |
| 16:54.08 | BucWheat | bbrazil k. man sudo'ing now |
| 16:54.36 | Sonny | stew: if I have the madwifi.tar.gz, how can I install it manually? |
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| 16:55.05 | Pablo | Sonny... download the source from madwifi.org and go from there.. at least that is what I would do |
| 16:55.37 | Sonny | Pablo: yes I have the file, my question is how to install it |
| 16:55.51 | richgilb | hey all - im a linux n00b and i'm so confused i'm on the verge of going back to os9 - can anyone give me a couple tips? |
| 16:55.55 | Kerr | I have to reboot my box.. what is the quickest/easiest way to specify some commands to run at boot up, and what users to run them as? |
| 16:56.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: nice |
| 16:56.20 | Pablo | what happens when you type make? |
| 16:56.28 | abrotman | kspath: i have some freak family thing .. we're all weird with sleep |
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| 16:56.53 | Pablo | Sonny, if it was an a true madwifi source it would be named different that what you have |
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| 16:58.05 | maarten_ | Kerr: what kind of commands? |
| 16:58.08 | Pablo | Sonny, like madwifi-ng-r1416-20060126.tar.gz |
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| 16:58.45 | Kerr | starting ircds and eggdrops mostly |
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| 16:59.22 | maarten_ | Kerr: either crontab or using /etc/rc?.d/ if you know how it works :/ |
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| 17:00.33 | richgilb | how do i get administrative permissions to open folders and install files? im on the admin acct and it still wont let me. |
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| 17:00.51 | Pablo | chmod 777 filename |
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| 17:01.27 | abrotman | richgilb: that's a bit vague |
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| 17:01.50 | chakatz | GKrellM indicates that something is writing 16k of data to my hard disk every 5 seconds. How can I tell what program is doing the writing? There is no indication in the logs. |
| 17:02.01 | abrotman | is it your journal ? |
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| 17:02.17 | stouset | Is anyone here familiar with the ntp package? I'm trying to get it to keep my clocks in sync with pool.ntp.org, but it's not working. I'm hoping not to use ntpdate, as well. |
| 17:02.23 | chakatz | the partition being written to is reisserfs |
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| 17:02.51 | cahoot | stouset: a case of 'not working' from a regular ;) |
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| 17:03.15 | stouset | cahoot: Regulars get plenty of 'not working' situations. :) How do you think we became regulars? |
| 17:03.20 | chakatz | Does reiser have that much journal activity even when there is no other activity? |
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| 17:03.22 | maarten_ | :D |
| 17:03.43 | stew | Sonny: looks like maybe the madwifi-install factoid needs to be updated, you might try pulling the madwifi-source package from testing |
| 17:03.49 | maarten_ | how do i change resolution on consoles? |
| 17:03.54 | Sonny | Pablo: I have downloaded from an official site : http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 17:04.16 | Sonny | stew: how can I do that? |
| 17:04.22 | cahoot | stouset: the problem not being a too large discrepancy in time for ntp to handle? |
| 17:04.50 | stew | Sonny: go to http://debian.org/distrib/pacakges/ ; browse for it, its in the non-free section |
| 17:05.14 | tonix | hi guys, i compiled a debian customized kernel with the aic7xxx compiled module. Now i'm trying to boot the kernel on a scsi machine and the amazing kernel panic message appears..... Is there a way to boot a machine using the aic7xxx module or i need to compile the scsi driver in to the monolitic kernel? thanks a lot |
| 17:05.17 | stouset | cahoot: I think that might be it, actually. Was just reading the ntpd manual, and there seems to be an option to get rid of the discrepancy. I was setting my clock 10 to 30 minutes off to test it :) |
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| 17:05.53 | bloo1 | how can I configure /etc/network/interfaces to rmmod ndiswrapper when I disable my wlan0? |
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| 17:05.57 | maarten_ | hehe, my router just uses rdate to set time roughly right, then uses opentpd to keep it properly |
| 17:06.18 | abrotman | bloo1: there maybe a post-down .. i know there is a pre-up |
| 17:06.29 | maarten_ | there is |
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| 17:06.46 | Sonny | stew: page not found |
| 17:06.52 | abrotman | bloo1: man 5 interfaces |
| 17:07.00 | bloo1 | I put "post-down rmmod ndiswrapper", but after I bring down the interface, it seems the module is still loaded |
| 17:07.10 | abrotman | bloo1: use modprobe -r |
| 17:07.15 | stew | Sonny: sorry packages, not pacakges |
| 17:07.20 | stouset | cahoot: No, doesn't seem to be it. ntpd says there's a 1000s limit, but I set it to a few seconds off and it failed to pick it up. |
| 17:07.27 | stew | Sonny: or just forget it and use the source |
| 17:07.59 | bloo1 | abrotman: what's the difference? |
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| 17:08.22 | abrotman | bloo1: it's preferable to get in the habit of using modprobe(-r) instead of insmod and rmmod |
| 17:08.23 | cahoot | stouset: ntp tends to report it's reasons for refusing to start |
| 17:08.39 | Sonny | stew: the searching tool of the debian packages is unavaible |
| 17:08.52 | bloo1 | abrotman: ok. but why should I expect modprobe -r to work any better in this situation than rmmod? rmmod works fine when I do it by hand. |
| 17:08.54 | stouset | cahoot: It's not refusing to start. It's starting fine as far as I can tell. |
| 17:08.55 | stew | Sonny: yes |
| 17:08.56 | Sonny | stew: I have the source, how can I install it manuallly? |
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| 17:09.00 | stew | Sonny: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/m/madwifi/madwifi-source_0.svn20051110-2_all.deb |
| 17:09.02 | abrotman | bloo1: does rmmod handle deps ? |
| 17:09.10 | abrotman | it's been so long since i've used it .. i don't remember |
| 17:09.14 | stew | Sonny: the .tar.gz should have come with an INSTALL and/or README that explain it |
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| 17:09.36 | tyranix | stouset: have you used openntp? |
| 17:09.38 | bloo1 | abrotman: it doesn't say anything about handling deps, but ndiswrapper didn't seem to have any reverse-deps |
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| 17:09.50 | tonix | (exit |
| 17:09.52 | stouset | tyranix: No, ntp-server |
| 17:09.55 | abrotman | bloo1: well .. do what you want .. i'd use modprobe -r |
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| 17:10.05 | bloo1 | abrotman: I'll give it a try. |
| 17:10.15 | bloo1 | abrotman: forgive me as I disappear to test it |
| 17:10.22 | abrotman | bloo1: anyways .. that may or may not be related to your wlan issues |
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| 17:11.38 | stouset | cahoot: Any other suggestions? |
| 17:11.43 | Sonny | stew: what i want to know is how do you install drivers manually, I installed las time in a kernel that I was compiling, but if I dont want to recompile the kernel what should I do? |
| 17:11.44 | tyranix | stouset: It's a simpler implementation and written with security in mind (part of OpenBSD project). I use it instead. |
| 17:11.48 | jetscreamer | how do you get reportbug to just use the already saved reportbug file |
| 17:11.51 | ClayG | any way to export thunderbird accounts or gaim accounts? |
| 17:11.58 | jetscreamer | when trying to get reportbug to send it |
| 17:11.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: saved in /tmp/ ? |
| 17:12.01 | stouset | tyranix: Does it work out of the box? :) |
| 17:12.07 | jetscreamer | it's here in ~ but yeah that one |
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| 17:12.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: is your editor vi ? |
| 17:12.18 | bloo1 | abrotman: didn't help |
| 17:12.23 | tyranix | stouset: yep :) |
| 17:12.23 | abrotman | bloo1: any errors ? |
| 17:12.25 | jetscreamer | no mc-edit |
| 17:12.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: well .. i have no idea then .. in vi you could :r filename |
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| 17:12.53 | stouset | tyranix: I'll poke at ntp-server for a few more minutes, and if I don't find anything I'll give it a shot. |
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| 17:13.27 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i mean i don't want to have to go through all that extra stuff again when it's already in the reportbug file i made before but didn't have it set up to send as email then |
| 17:13.34 | bloo1 | abrotman: in /var/log/messages, it looks like it's getting successfully rmmodded and then immediately modprobed again |
| 17:13.53 | stew | Sonny: read the README and INSTALL |
| 17:14.21 | bloo1 | abrotman: what I'm trying to do is make the card completely forget anything about which network it was connected to when I bring it down |
| 17:14.36 | jetscreamer | more that is |
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| 17:14.52 | abrotman | bloo1: i know what you mean .. i wonder if something else is trying to use it |
| 17:15.10 | abrotman | bloo1: maybe a 'sleep 20' or something ? |
| 17:15.14 | bloo1 | so I'm running 'ifup wlan0=home', 'ifdown wlan0', 'ifup wlan0' and it connects back to my WEPpped networ (which it shouldn't be able to do) |
| 17:15.19 | jetscreamer | --body and --body-file arent exactly what i wanted |
| 17:15.32 | dr1v3r | anyone know a good bandwisth monitor that shows the results in GB and not bytes please? |
| 17:15.44 | abrotman | mrtg? |
| 17:15.45 | bloo1 | abrotman: does post-down accept shell syntax, or do I use two different post-down lines? |
| 17:15.54 | abrotman | bloo1: you can use it to call a shell script |
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| 17:16.11 | abrotman | bloo1: so make a script in /etc/init.d/<whatever> .. and call that from post-down |
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| 17:16.17 | jetscreamer | -i would do what you said automatically |
| 17:16.20 | dr1v3r | abrotman was that to me? |
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| 17:16.25 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 17:16.25 | dpkg | mrtg is probably old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
| 17:16.43 | jetscreamer | ooo reportbug -k \o/ |
| 17:16.51 | jetscreamer | -k == --kudos |
| 17:17.11 | Kerr | i gotta reboot kona. Tothwolf: don't suppose you know how i can write out a list of commands, ie starting ircds, to run when the pc starts. Cron is a time thing so i don't see how it can help :-/ |
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| 17:20.19 | bloo1 | abrotman: now it seems to behave a bit better |
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| 17:21.03 | bloo1 | bloo1: I'm not sure if it's going to reliably behave correctly yet, but I have better things to do and I'll probably play with it more next week |
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| 17:21.24 | _Codex | Where can I find docs about how to get mouse working on laptop debian installation. (probably some problems with /dev/psaux or something) |
| 17:22.27 | Kerr | err |
| 17:22.32 | Gnea | !tell _Codex -about gpm |
| 17:22.32 | Kerr | wrong window. |
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| 17:23.45 | pm_ | i've got my domain server configured, the samba is running but the clients machines says that they cant find the domain. what can cause that? |
| 17:24.34 | pm_ | the clients can ping the server |
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| 17:25.55 | Rubin | pm_: both smbd and nmbd are running? |
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| 17:26.38 | pm_ | Rubin yes |
| 17:27.53 | Rubin | pm_ is there a #samba? its really a complex program to configure, you might need specific help |
| 17:28.28 | pm_ | im there, but they dont help too much |
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| 17:31.36 | secureboot | anyone know how to close an lvm partition listed as open? |
| 17:32.17 | secureboot | i'd like to script the deletion of lvm partitions, but due to some bugs, some are open still |
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| 17:34.48 | Golfgeo | Does one need the gstreamer codecs for kde? |
| 17:34.48 | Spear | hi :) |
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| 17:35.30 | Golfgeo | I got the noatun-plugins and the kdemultimedia package, but the wiki.debian.org page on codexes states I need the gstreamer stuff.... |
| 17:35.41 | Spear | Does anybody know if a concurrent linux solution exists to counter Windows SUS servers, that manages and centralize updates for windows stations for all the workstations (to save broadband ie) and things to be deployed on many stations ??? |
| 17:36.55 | ClayG | any way to export thunderbird accounts or gaim accounts? |
| 17:37.03 | Supaplex | what version of libcgi-session-perl was in woody? |
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| 17:37.53 | _Codex | Hmm, I couldn't get the mouse working even on gpm. And in X, the cursor doesn't move no matter what I do. (and even creating the /dev devices seems to require modprobe mousedev etc) |
| 17:38.19 | Supaplex | Spear: are you talking about a linux solution for windows issues? or are you looking to make your own local debian mirror/repository? |
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| 17:44.43 | ClayG | where is the gnome termcaps file (to change the default launch size) |
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| 17:46.18 | humbletech99 | is there any way to change the primary group of a user being domain authenticated over winbind? |
| 17:47.02 | humbletech99 | where is the mapping stored, I've seen the range in smb.conf but don't know where this is stored |
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| 17:47.53 | Spear | Sorry Supaplex, i meant a linux solution for windows issues |
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| 17:54.37 | sewi | hello, what way/program/script would you recommend me to upload files on a remove ftp server to update www site using Linux? So far I have used mc and then I uploaded files manually. But it's tedious work when changes are done frequently. |
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| 17:55.50 | stew | sewi: does it have to be ftp? can't you use rsync? |
| 17:56.01 | kspath | Spear: Is that not like asking a cow how to solve a pig problem? |
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| 17:56.38 | lawnchair | is there a way to tell what kind of ram you have by typing some crazy command |
| 17:56.48 | cisse | not really |
| 17:56.54 | kspath | !moo |
| 17:56.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:56.57 | cisse | sewi: use rsynch with ssh keys and restrict the key to only use rsync |
| 17:57.10 | sifi-xz | how can I get rid of "Message: device: default" which shows up sometimes when I play audio files from the CLI? |
| 17:57.30 | stew | valdyn: what's the command to probe the motherboard? |
| 17:57.36 | sewi | stew: I don't know, I've got only information that I can upload files by ftp and I must check if rsync is possible |
| 17:57.50 | stew | sewi: can you ssh? |
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| 17:58.12 | sifi-xz | stew do you have any idea? |
| 17:58.12 | brekerzz | help please |
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| 17:58.50 | stew | sifi-xz: how are you playing them? |
| 17:59.01 | stew | brekerzz: if you have a question, ask it |
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| 17:59.17 | brekerzz | stew : im newbie with ubuntu |
| 17:59.27 | stew | brekerzz: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 17:59.44 | sewi | stew: I'm rather newbie in that so I must ask the host. |
| 17:59.45 | sifi-xz | stew, it is radiostreaming from XMMS through a downloaded playlist file |
| 17:59.48 | brekerzz | but the same debian isnt it? |
| 17:59.52 | azeem | brekerzz: no |
| 17:59.54 | Chance | heya i need really help i have same issue for two days now and nobody can help me 10.0.0.1 connect: No buffer space available when i do host and No buffer space available when i try to do some other things |
| 17:59.58 | stew | sewi: if you can only use ftp, you can recursively put an entire directory structure with ncftpput (or many other tools) i don't know if they have to ability to only copied changed files, check the manpage |
| 18:00.11 | brekerzz | wooo |
| 18:00.13 | azeem | brekerzz: Ubuntu is similar, but also very different sometimes |
| 18:00.20 | brekerzz | hiks |
| 18:00.23 | brekerzz | ok thanx |
| 18:00.23 | Matt-H | !tell brekerzz about ubuntu |
| 18:00.41 | Chance | Anyone ? |
| 18:00.52 | sewi | stew: I'll try ncftpput, thanks |
| 18:00.54 | brekerzz | i just want to get operate it |
| 18:01.01 | azeem | brekerzz: ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:01.04 | brekerzz | try to use linux |
| 18:01.12 | brekerzz | but nohing there cant help me |
| 18:01.15 | stew | Chance: can you show us the output of "free | grep Mem" |
| 18:01.17 | brekerzz | they are to busy |
| 18:01.17 | azeem | brekerzz: ask again later |
| 18:01.26 | azeem | brekerzz: sorry, we cannot help you here |
| 18:01.31 | brekerzz | ok then |
| 18:01.33 | brekerzz | thanx |
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| 18:01.36 | Chance | stew Mem: 254928 252472 2456 0 56216 81328 |
| 18:01.40 | stew | sifi-xz: i'm guessing its only going to go away by editing the source |
| 18:01.40 | Chance | that is the output |
| 18:02.16 | sifi-xz | stew, the thing is that the output "Message: device: default" show uprandom times, I would like it to never thow up and it's not depedning on the .pls file |
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| 18:02.26 | stew | Chance: actually can you run "free" again and show me the Swap: line? |
| 18:02.56 | Chance | stew Swap: 979892 0 979892 |
| 18:03.06 | UltraSub | hi all.... i have a strange thing happening with a debian system i maintain.. it is running dhcp3 and bind9 in dynamic update mode, everything worked, but suddenly it stopped updating bind, without a reason i can see..... |
| 18:03.10 | Chance | stew used is 0 |
| 18:03.13 | UltraSub | any hints? |
| 18:03.15 | stew | sifi-xz: "default" is most likely referring to the alsa device named "default", but I still don't think you are going to be able to get rid of it, you could always just redirect xmms output to /dev/null |
| 18:03.28 | UltraSub | no errors, no logs, whatsoever, it just doesnt update anymore |
| 18:03.34 | stew | Chance: that all seems ok to me, i dunno then |
| 18:03.45 | sifi-xz | stew, well, I am |
| 18:03.48 | Eulex | Chance, your system seems healthy. |
| 18:04.02 | stew | sifi-xz: redirect stderr as well then |
| 18:04.11 | Chance | but then what is wrong ? i do a restart to the service bind and then it works again |
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| 18:04.19 | Chance | but then after a while does this again |
| 18:04.32 | Chance | and i can't use my bind server |
| 18:04.48 | sophie^ | hi how do i change sources.list for aptitude to look for .deb files in my local disk? |
| 18:04.52 | kspath | I would fix that. |
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| 18:05.07 | Chance | it's sad i cant find anything related on the web that looks similar to my issue |
| 18:05.12 | sifi-xz | stew, thanks, I hope it will work |
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| 18:05.46 | sunnemer | hi everybody |
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| 18:06.38 | penguin | Failed to fetch http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.gz Bad header line |
| 18:06.48 | penguin | What is going on here? |
| 18:07.27 | azeem | penguin: did you try another mirror? |
| 18:07.32 | sophie^ | penguin, do you know how to modify the sources.list for aptitude? |
| 18:07.47 | azeem | sophie^: please do not ask random people |
| 18:07.57 | azeem | sophie^: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:08.12 | cusco | penguin: just hold a couple of minutes it is probably beeing updated |
| 18:08.12 | azeem | sophie^: or run apt-setup |
| 18:08.17 | cusco | that happens to me all the time |
| 18:08.41 | penguin | Will do. So the problem is on the other end? |
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| 18:08.42 | sunnemer | I am interested in the build processes on the ftp-master, particulary the autobuild scripts. Does anybody know where can i get them? |
| 18:08.50 | sophie^ | how do I edit sources.list? :( sorry i'm a newbie |
| 18:08.51 | azeem | penguin: I can get it fine it seems |
| 18:08.54 | Chance | stew can this issue be because of kernel ? |
| 18:08.57 | azeem | sophie^: try apt-setup |
| 18:09.13 | penguin | How do you resize this chat box? |
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| 18:09.24 | penguin | I cant get to the bottom of X-chat |
| 18:09.26 | azeem | penguin: this depends on which client you use |
| 18:09.31 | azeem | and window manager |
| 18:09.37 | penguin | Gnome |
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| 18:09.53 | azeem | sunnemer: you mean the autobuilder network? |
| 18:09.57 | reind | I'm getting an error with find, but only on my debian box. it's complaining about the syntax but looks ok to me :-/. find /home/reind/ -name backup* -mtime +7 |
| 18:10.00 | penguin | Bottom is covered by a bar. |
| 18:10.25 | penguin | You need to quote the backup* |
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| 18:10.52 | reind | penguin ah ok thanks |
| 18:11.03 | Eulex | penguin, move it first before resizing it? |
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| 18:11.26 | penguin | I cant move it high enough to get to the bottom of it. |
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| 18:12.05 | Eulex | penguin, try moving it by holding down alt, then clicking and moving in any part of the window. |
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| 18:12.38 | penguin | That wont move it up or down only sideways |
| 18:12.38 | sunnemer | azeem: yes |
| 18:13.10 | penguin | I need to resize to take up whole window to reache the talk part. |
| 18:13.13 | Eulex | penguin, ask #gnome then. they seem to have disabled moving a window outside of the screen. |
| 18:13.23 | penguin | OK |
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| 18:14.25 | azeem | sunnemer: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ |
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| 18:14.46 | rmrfchik | how to rip ISO with skipping read errors? |
| 18:14.49 | sunnemer | azeem: great big thanks |
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| 18:17.10 | stew | Chance: whenever people ahve random problems, especially memory related, running memtest is often a good idea |
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| 18:19.14 | beardy | rmrfchik: It wont be an ISO if it got errors, but you can try to grab as much data as possible from a broken disc with dd. Read the manual on how to skip on read errors. |
| 18:19.20 | KerPlunk | stew: I ran that..but it took like 30 mintues and it still kept going...how do I know when it's done |
| 18:19.37 | rmrfchik | beardy, I want to rip Playstation disk for emulator. |
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| 18:19.59 | beardy | rmrfchik: And it's scratchy? |
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| 18:20.22 | rmrfchik | beardy, no. psx disks has unreadable track |
| 18:20.31 | bobbens | rmrfchik: you're supposed to use dd to rip a psx disk, look at google for more help |
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| 18:20.45 | djp | is liferia |
| 18:20.48 | rmrfchik | bobbens, i think, i found recipe how to rip with cdrdao |
| 18:21.19 | bobbens | rmrfchik: i'm pretty sure the best way is to use dd, but you can try with cdrdao |
| 18:21.29 | rmrfchik | let's see.. |
| 18:21.47 | rmrfchik | damn, how to map /dev/hdb to ATA:a,b,c? |
| 18:21.57 | rmrfchik | ATA:0,1,0? |
| 18:22.01 | Snow | hi guys, help me in fpc. I wrote an program named "aaa" but I need aaa.pas, then somehow it compiled and I can't get into source now. Is there ability somehow to decompile it, and to get thethe source bacck, or nano saves some temp files with whose help I could find my code? |
| 18:22.06 | rmrfchik | o, yeah... |
| 18:22.44 | beardy | Snow: It lies where you saved it. |
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| 18:22.56 | stew | KerPlunk: you'll have to refresh my memory |
| 18:23.12 | Snow | beardy: the temp? |
| 18:23.13 | Snow | how does it call |
| 18:23.44 | beardy | Snow: The file is located where you saved it, if you didn't save it, and the file is not open anywhere, it's gone. |
| 18:23.48 | stew | KerPlunk: oh, memtest? it takes a long time, like hours, it will generally find errors sooner rather than later though |
| 18:24.06 | stew | rmrfchik: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:24.27 | rmrfchik | stew, I'm ripping psx disk for emulator. |
| 18:24.28 | bobbens | KerPlunk: it just keeps on running the same test over and over, its an infinite loop. It should tell you somewhere how many times its gone through all your ram |
| 18:24.28 | Snow | Beardy but I compiled the saved file! and everything got really messed up |
| 18:24.33 | beardy | Snow: Save often, make backups. |
| 18:24.48 | beardy | Snow: I doubt the compiler ate the file, it should still be there. |
| 18:24.54 | Chance | stew memtest shows no errors all tests runned with success |
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| 18:25.06 | zamolxes | so i have a debian package that depends on a library that was replaced. (libqt3c102-mt with libqt3-mt) How could i solve this dependency? thank you |
| 18:25.18 | mischko | Debian stable's postfix has a buggy IPv6 patch installed. What should I do to get to a clean package? |
| 18:25.29 | stew | zamolxes: what package |
| 18:25.38 | zamolxes | stew: skype :) |
| 18:25.49 | stew | zamolxes: use the static qt version from debian-unofficial.org |
| 18:25.53 | stew | Chance: i dunno then |
| 18:25.58 | zamolxes | stew: ok, thank you |
| 18:26.00 | Chance | strange |
| 18:26.08 | Chance | can it be a network issue ? socket one ? |
| 18:26.09 | beardy | Chance: What problem did you have? |
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| 18:26.20 | Chance | heya i need really help i have same issue for two days now and nobody can help me 10.0.0.1 connect: No buffer space available when i do host and No buffer space available when i try to do some other things |
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| 18:26.24 | Chance | this one |
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| 18:27.03 | juelz | Hi, I get a OPERATING SYSTEM NOT FOUND / DISK ERROR (or similar error) when booting with disc one from the 13 disc debian set. I'm referring to the images found here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ I just want to verify that this installation starts properly on systems with AMD 64 bit CPUs. |
| 18:27.27 | Chance | beardy my hdd ain't full and there is no memory issue as those have been checked |
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| 18:27.46 | beardy | Chance: When does it say that? When you boot? |
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| 18:28.36 | CosmoDad | how can I make a server started from init.d use an environment variable which I need to set before? |
| 18:28.47 | Chance | beardy when i execute commands in the server like: host or like when sendmail tryes to send a mail to a hsyt |
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| 18:28.50 | Chance | host* |
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| 18:29.03 | CosmoDad | I want to pass NULLMAILER_SUSER to nullmailer, but nullmailer doesn't read it in any config file |
| 18:29.13 | \xe6var | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. |
| 18:29.15 | \xe6var | then |
| 18:29.15 | \xe6var | ec-: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 18:29.21 | \xe6var | what's the deal-i-o? |
| 18:29.23 | stew | CosmoDad: set it in /etc/default/servicename if the initscript honors /etc/default, otherwise put it in the initscript |
| 18:29.24 | beardy | Chance: Ok, sounds strange indeed. What nic do you have? |
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| 18:29.39 | Chance | i have to look |
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| 18:30.31 | CosmoDad | stew: it doesn't honor it, I'll need to modify the init script. thx |
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| 18:30.40 | beardy | Chance: (perhaps it has nothing to do with it, but perhaps someone has something to say about it if you tell us) |
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| 18:30.47 | stew | juelz: as long as your sure your bios settings are correct to boot from a cd, it sounds like it didnt' burn correctly |
| 18:31.03 | CosmoDad | stew: will this even work with a start-stop-daemon'ed service? |
| 18:31.03 | juelz | thanks stew, that's what i figured. |
| 18:31.09 | Chance | i need to check wait |
| 18:31.10 | beardy | juelz: Burn at lower speed. |
| 18:31.28 | juelz | i'm burning with a USB connected drive... been having some problems |
| 18:31.48 | beardy | juelz: At which speed? |
| 18:32.02 | juelz | 32X for CDs, 8X for DVDs |
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| 18:32.07 | XYZZZ | anyone get debian running on an Apple II? |
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| 18:32.20 | beardy | juelz: Ok, but what you actually used, I meant. |
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| 18:32.27 | stew | XYZZZ: its not possible |
| 18:32.32 | beardy | XYZZZ: No :) |
| 18:32.50 | juelz | 32X.....seems to burn properly at 16X |
| 18:33.06 | beardy | juelz: Try 4x or 8x instead. |
| 18:33.09 | XYZZZ | :) |
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| 18:33.20 | stew | i always just burn at 2x so i don't have to worry |
| 18:33.22 | juelz | shorter usb cable helped also |
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| 18:33.28 | stew | its not like i dont' have other things to do while it burns |
| 18:33.52 | tremor | good evening .. |
| 18:33.53 | Chance | beardy Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) and Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 18:33.54 | juelz | stew: i thought the days of buffer underrun errors were gone |
| 18:34.11 | sewi | Another question: I have a local http server and I maintain two websites storing all files together in $HOME/public_html. So the inconveniences are that I have to change the index_site1.php and index_site2.php to index.php each time I want to see the site in firefox and the files are mixed in one public_html directory. How to solve these inconvieniences? Two users and two public_html, which is also not goot since I need log out |
| 18:34.12 | sewi | and in each time or something else? |
| 18:34.21 | stew | juelz: yeah but the days of very crappy cdr(w) media are in full glory |
| 18:34.27 | beardy | Chance: And which of them is the 10.x.x.x? |
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| 18:34.32 | \xe6var | Each time I apt-get something I get "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. ", when I run that command I get "dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.", then I can apt-get, but then I get the first error again |
| 18:34.37 | \xe6var | and repeat... |
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| 18:35.14 | Chance | beardy eth1 is the one |
| 18:35.22 | juelz | that's why i always check user reviews before i buy cd-rs/dvd-rs.......... and then, i stick with the brand |
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| 18:35.43 | Chance | beardy the 3Com |
| 18:36.32 | chealer_ | \xe6var: which release do you run? |
| 18:36.38 | \xe6var | chealer_: sid |
| 18:36.42 | abrotman | check the bts |
| 18:36.45 | beardy | Chance: Ok. 3Com are usually good.. Do you have another nic to try and replace it with, perhaps it's broken? |
| 18:36.54 | deadcat | \xe6var: you're toasted |
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| 18:37.00 | \xe6var | deadcat: totally;) |
| 18:37.00 | chealer_ | \xe6var: bugs.d.o |
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| 18:37.06 | deadcat | )= |
| 18:37.11 | Chance | no |
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| 18:37.18 | \xe6var | It happened after I put 'deb http://honk.sigxcpu.org/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/' in sources.list, apt-get install mplayer |
| 18:37.44 | mischko | Debian stable's postfix has a buggy IPv6 patch installed. What should I do to get to a clean package? Where do I file a bug report? |
| 18:37.47 | djp | is there an rss feed reader installed by default under deiban 3.1? |
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| 18:37.52 | deadcat | \xe6var: i use this: #deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ |
| 18:37.52 | Eulex | djp, no |
| 18:37.58 | Eulex | !deiban |
| 18:37.58 | dpkg | hmm... deiban is the japanese version of debian, tastes good with sake |
| 18:38.07 | beardy | Chance: That's what I'd try first anyway, try another card. |
| 18:38.21 | Chance | ok then ill try |
| 18:38.23 | Chance | thanks |
| 18:38.24 | Chance | bbl |
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| 18:39.05 | \xe6var | deadcat: better package? |
| 18:39.11 | \xe6var | It probably won't make that error go away though |
| 18:39.15 | \xe6var | but what do I know?;) |
| 18:39.22 | djp | Eulex, thanks :) apologies for that terrible spelling mistake! ;) |
| 18:39.44 | \xe6var | hey, it actually did |
| 18:39.47 | ladyisabel77 | where can i find dvdrecord for debian? |
| 18:39.47 | \xe6var | well, removing mplayer did |
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| 18:40.56 | Eulex | !tell ladyisabel77 about search |
| 18:40.57 | tremor | ladyisabel77: apt-cache search dvdrecord |
| 18:41.06 | \xe6var | deadcat: is that for sid? |
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| 18:41.50 | deadcat | \xe6var: ya |
| 18:41.54 | p30n | hello, i think i have a problem but i dunno what causes it or why, but i get this msg in console on one of my hdds, hdc: no DRQ after issuing WRITE_EXT; ide1: reset: success; hdc: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 18:41.57 | p30n | what could that be ? |
| 18:42.04 | Eulex | ladyisabel77, apt-file search will find it. dpkg gave you a nice tutorial on how to install it and use it. |
| 18:42.07 | p30n | the device is working fine and i can read and write to it |
| 18:42.12 | \xe6var | deadcat: yours?;) |
| 18:42.13 | deadcat | p30n: bad hdd? |
| 18:42.16 | p30n | altho the whole system has felt slow lately |
| 18:42.21 | deadcat | \xe6var: no. but thats the one i use (= |
| 18:42.24 | p30n | deadcat: well it works ? |
| 18:42.36 | deadcat | p30n: i wont soon (= |
| 18:42.36 | Eulex | p30n, what does hdparm -Tt say? |
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| 18:43.05 | p30n | oh no =( |
| 18:43.09 | beardy | p30n: You already do backups of course, but do one now too, of everything important to you on that drive. |
| 18:43.17 | Eulex | p30n, oh, and you'll have to supply a device too |
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| 18:43.22 | deadcat | p30n: ya. time to backup )= must be a maxtor? |
| 18:43.30 | p30n | fuck yea |
| 18:43.32 | deadcat | )= |
| 18:43.32 | p30n | it is a maxtor |
| 18:43.34 | cwrl | is there a good guide on building/maintaining a locally-patched, packaged, version of something for which debian already has a package? (specifically, php4-cgi) |
| 18:43.41 | p30n | i have 9 seagates in the box, and §1 maxotR!!!! |
| 18:43.43 | deadcat | p30n: sorry man... they always get ya |
| 18:43.49 | p30n | i promised myslef to never buy one again |
| 18:43.51 | p30n | but i idid =/ |
| 18:44.02 | p30n | and its the newest disk in the box =( |
| 18:44.10 | p30n | the seagates are way better |
| 18:44.12 | deadcat | p30n: ya. seagates and western for me now... maxtor fucked me up back in the 4.3gig days.. really bad |
| 18:44.14 | beardy | cwrl: The reason the package exists is so you don't have to. ;) |
| 18:44.18 | p30n | one more time i had to prove it to myself =( |
| 18:44.23 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 18:44.33 | cwrl | yeah, but i have a patch for a bug, and i want the fixed version as a package |
| 18:44.38 | p30n | ive sent like 5-6 maxotr to warranty in the last year |
| 18:44.42 | deadcat | p30n: they cheap though. but you get what you pay for |
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| 18:45.09 | p30n | yea |
| 18:45.19 | p30n | hdparm -Tt /dev/hdc just locks up |
| 18:45.26 | p30n | no |
| 18:45.26 | p30n | /dev/hdc: |
| 18:45.26 | p30n | Timing cached reads: 876 MB in 2.00 seconds = 436.97 MB/sec |
| 18:45.26 | p30n | Timing buffered disk reads: 10 MB in 3.37 seconds = 2.97 MB/sec |
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| 18:45.29 | PupenoL | Is there an equivalent to "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" on ip6tables ? that is, let in everything related to an open/established connection. |
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| 18:45.34 | Eulex | !rebuild from debian source |
| 18:45.35 | dpkg | it has been said that rebuild from debian source is add the needed deb-src lines (/msg apt deb-src), then run 'apt-get source whatever; apt-get build-dep whatever'. cd into the newly created 'whatever' dir, then edit anything you want. for compilation options, look in debian/rules. then run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' to get your shiny new .debs |
| 18:45.36 | p30n | what does that say then ? |
| 18:45.45 | p30n | it works atm ? |
| 18:45.47 | Eulex | cwrl, ^^ |
| 18:45.58 | abrotman | PupenoL: #iptables ? |
| 18:46.04 | Eulex | p30n, yes, it works, but you get 3mb/s. |
| 18:46.11 | cwrl | ok, but i want to maintain the package, since it's php and hence there'll be lots of security fixes |
| 18:46.11 | p30n | ye |
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| 18:46.28 | mith | Hmmm, if I'm setting up some iptables rules for some basic filtering but only matching new connections, would it be better, performancewise, to match whether it's a new tcp connection, send it to a seperate chain and process from there, or will it be no better performance wise than having a single chain which matches the state and other crieteria in every rule? |
| 18:46.39 | Eulex | cwrl, then contact the person who maintains it in debian currently. |
| 18:46.43 | cwrl | have done |
| 18:47.00 | cwrl | but my experience is that bugs in packages in stable don't get fixed |
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| 18:47.10 | cisse | mith: seperate i beleive |
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| 18:47.50 | Eulex | cwrl, security stuff will be fixed. bugs will be fixed if they are really really serious. |
| 18:48.07 | cwrl | yep |
| 18:48.29 | cwrl | the definition of "really really serious" depends on circumstances, apparently |
| 18:48.50 | cwrl | anyway, is there a handy guide on doing what i'm after? |
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| 18:49.20 | cwrl | i *think* all i need to do is to change the version number and append my patch to the one in the package, but i don't know whether that's going to break dependencies on all the other php4-* packages |
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| 18:50.00 | azeem | cwrl: well, check them |
| 18:50.03 | EmleyMoor | How, when I compile a program with libraries, do I create .so files? |
| 18:50.09 | abrotman | cwrl: what kind of bug ? |
| 18:50.22 | cwrl | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=36158 |
| 18:50.26 | azeem | if they have Depends like "Depends: php4-cgi (= 2.3.1-4), you're in trouble |
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| 18:51.00 | XYZZZ | with the ram upgrade, i can fit the 2.4.2 kernel |
| 18:51.11 | XYZZZ | hmmm, but something is wrong in the state of denmark |
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| 18:51.28 | p30n | Eulex: and 3mb/s is a sign that the disc is about to die? |
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| 18:51.38 | abrotman | cwrl: you could file a bug . include the patch .. depending on how serious the packager thinks it is (and if release people agree) . it oculd get fixed |
| 18:51.42 | p30n | how good are the chances i can remove it from box and put it in another one and make a mirror of it ? |
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| 18:51.45 | p30n | before it really dies |
| 18:51.47 | cwrl | abrotman -- have done, see link |
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| 18:51.58 | Eulex | p30n, may be. may also be that you need to enabled dma on it. |
| 18:52.21 | abrotman | cwrl: i must be looking at the wrong link |
| 18:52.37 | p30n | Eulex: u mean that would make it work ? it used to be faster, and it didnt use to spam out error msg´s in console.. |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:52.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:52.56 | azeem | cwrl: in the Debian BTS, we mean |
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| 18:53.01 | cwrl | sorry, that's the one on the php site -- see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349891 |
| 18:53.06 | nvz | EmleyMoor: maybe ask a developer channel like a C/C++ one |
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| 18:53.39 | abrotman | cwrl: you filed it yesterday .. |
| 18:53.58 | azeem | cwrl: so is this an accepted security issue? |
| 18:54.19 | cwrl | security... depends what you mean |
| 18:54.23 | Eulex | p30n, ah, ok. well, if it was faster before, there's quite a big chance something is wrong with it. but you could try checking if dma is enabled on it and enable it if not. |
| 18:54.23 | abrotman | azeem: from what i read .. i don't think it's security . seems to be unwanted/wrong behaviour |
| 18:54.27 | cwrl | it's not a vulnerability |
| 18:54.40 | cwrl | though it is true that fastcgi is the only even vaguely secure fast way to run php |
| 18:54.50 | azeem | anyway, gotta go, laters |
| 18:55.12 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, depends if they are static or shared |
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| 18:56.46 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: shared |
| 18:57.10 | cisse | crwl: eh questionable |
| 18:57.11 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, then libname.so.version |
| 18:57.34 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, or libname.so |
| 18:57.36 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: But how do I get those in the first place? |
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| 18:57.58 | EmleyMoor | It's not their naming I lack, it's their creation |
| 18:58.02 | abrotman | cwrl: regardless it wouldn't get fixed probably until 3.1r2 |
| 18:58.08 | cwrl | abrotman -- indeed |
| 18:58.16 | cwrl | hence i need to maintain a locally-patched version |
| 18:58.19 | abrotman | cwrl: or perhaps uploaded to sarge-proposed-updates |
| 18:58.35 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, you need to compile it as a library |
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| 18:59.01 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: How? |
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| 18:59.45 | stew | cwrl: since it's not RC there is no way it is getting fixed in sarge |
| 18:59.52 | cwrl | so i gather |
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| 19:00.09 | EmleyMoor | I have a package not creating its .so files when I ./bootstrap, |
| 19:00.15 | cwrl | hence my wishing to know what best practice is for maintaining a local version in the least painful manner |
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| 19:00.20 | EmleyMoor | I have a package not creating its .so files when I ./bootstrap, ./configure, make, make install |
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| 19:01.08 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, is it something you've written |
| 19:01.16 | EmleyMoor | No |
| 19:01.31 | stew | cwrl: create a pacakge, install it, put it on hold, subscribe to debian-security-announce mailining list so you know when its tome to apply your patch to a newer version |
| 19:01.35 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, are you getting an error when compiling |
| 19:01.55 | stew | EmleyMoor: what *exactly* are you trying to do? |
| 19:02.07 | EmleyMoor | No - no error is appearing when compiling, only when I try to run one of the apps in the package that NEEDS the .so |
| 19:02.14 | EmleyMoor | stew: get openobex to work |
| 19:02.26 | cwrl | stew -- ok, fine -- is there a useful guide on doing that starting from the existing package, or should i just give up and package the whole thing anew? |
| 19:02.47 | stew | cwrl: /msg dpkg source |
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| 19:03.01 | EmleyMoor | I'm either missing an entire step or some part of it is not happening |
| 19:03.02 | cwrl | yes, yes, i know that |
| 19:03.05 | stew | !wayc EmleyMoor |
| 19:03.06 | dpkg | EmleyMoor: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:03.09 | cwrl | but that's how to build a package *without* altering it |
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| 19:03.29 | EmleyMoor | stew: Because the version with USB capability is not available for apt-getting |
| 19:03.35 | stew | cwrl: alter it to your hearts content before running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:03.41 | cwrl | yeah |
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| 19:04.01 | cwrl | and then what? i build a package once, but running dpkg-buildpackage again will try to patch it again, and it will all go horribly wrong |
| 19:04.02 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, what lib is missing |
| 19:04.04 | stew | EmleyMoor: "apt-get build-dep packagename" should install everything you need to compile that pacakge |
| 19:04.09 | jrydberg | anyone seen this error (http://pastebin.com/524153 ) while running Gnus on Debian ? |
| 19:04.15 | cwrl | what i want to know is, what's the easiest way to *maintain* a fork of a particular package? |
| 19:04.15 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: All of them, sadly |
| 19:04.27 | stew | cwrl: no it won't |
| 19:04.34 | EmleyMoor | stew: It is not a compile failure, though |
| 19:04.46 | cwrl | did last time i tried... |
| 19:05.14 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, then those libs don't apear to be part of the package, but are required by the package |
| 19:05.19 | stew | cwrl: oh is the pacakge maintained with cdbs or something? |
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| 19:05.32 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: They are part of the package |
| 19:05.37 | cwrl | cdbs? don't think so -- it's all done with debhelper |
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| 19:05.49 | cwrl | though there's one source package for about 20 different binary packages |
| 19:05.55 | stew | cwrl: then no patching would be done by dpkg-buildpackge |
| 19:06.24 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, try doing a make clean, autoconf, ./configure make |
| 19:06.29 | stew | cwrl: oh, there are patches in debian/patches, so just put your patch in there and it will get run like the rest of the debian patches |
| 19:06.43 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: Already tried |
| 19:06.55 | cwrl | ok... and dpkg-buildpackage should just produce a source package which contains those? |
| 19:07.00 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, and ... |
| 19:07.09 | EmleyMoor | No change |
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| 19:07.31 | stew | EmleyMoor: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:07.33 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, your tring to compile openbox right? |
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| 19:07.41 | EmleyMoor | openobex |
| 19:07.47 | EmleyMoor | stew: stable |
| 19:08.06 | stew | EmleyMoor: do the openobex pacakges in unstable have the functionality you need? |
| 19:08.24 | EmleyMoor | stew: I would very much doubt it |
| 19:08.47 | stew | EmleyMoor: what package in sarge is missing functionality for you? |
| 19:08.54 | stew | EmleyMoor: and what version are you compiling? |
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| 19:09.13 | zimnyx | I got remote mail account (POP3/SMTP). I want to read emails/respond emails using mutt. What do i need to set up? I can;t see any SMTP options for mutt, it uses Inbox? |
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| 19:09.31 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, sounds like something to discuss in #openobex |
| 19:09.38 | EmleyMoor | stew: USB capability, and current CVS (1.1 will have capability, but it is not available in a release yet) |
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| 19:10.48 | stew | EmleyMoor: apt-cache depends libopenobex-1.0.0 ; install those pacakge |
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| 19:10.48 | zenwryly | How should one change the behavior of the power button and lid close on a laptop? |
| 19:10.51 | stew | EmleyMoor: and do that for the other obex pacakgaes as well |
| 19:11.04 | stew | zenwryly: does your laptop support acpi? |
| 19:11.13 | EmleyMoor | stew: Unable to locate package |
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| 19:11.39 | stew | EmleyMoor: i'm sorry, 1.0-0, just apt-cache search obex |
| 19:11.45 | zenwryly | stew: yeah |
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| 19:12.12 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, normally if libs that are part of the package are not built then compile errors come up. Wait did you install this befor executing? |
| 19:12.14 | EmleyMoor | Um... I have libc6 |
| 19:12.15 | stew | zenwryly: install acpid, look at /etc/acpi/events and /etc/acpi/actions |
| 19:12.30 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:12.32 | zenwryly | stew: ok, no good frontends for configuring acpid? |
| 19:12.36 | EmleyMoor | webwolf27: Yes, I did |
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| 19:12.51 | stew | zenwryly: i dunno |
| 19:12.58 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with kernel 2.6.8 #17 + K6 3 = TSC losing ticks |
| 19:13.00 | zenwryly | stew: ok, thanks |
| 19:13.22 | valdyn | zimnyx: afaik mutt will use the sendmail program provided by any MTA in debian |
| 19:13.25 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, and ldconfig ?? is the path the libs are installed to part of your libpath? |
| 19:13.51 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: Yes. If they were being installed in the first place, it would be |
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| 19:14.35 | stew | EmleyMoor: you haven't yet told us what error you are getting |
| 19:14.49 | JLogik | hey all! does anyone know what the C++ room is called? |
| 19:14.56 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, if make install didn't give you any errors, and the libs are part of the package then they are being installed |
| 19:15.01 | EmleyMoor | stew: What error I am getting when? |
| 19:15.24 | EmleyMoor | webwolf_27: They are not being installed and it really does appear to be as simple as that |
| 19:15.28 | stew | EmleyMoor: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:15.29 | Floxxx | hmm, hi all, i am trying to get user-mode-linux to work on debian-amd64, but i can't seem to get it done, does anybody have experience with it? |
| 19:15.45 | EmleyMoor | (I know it isn't really as simple as that but that is how it appears) |
| 19:15.59 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, run "updatedb" and "locate <name of lib>" |
| 19:16.02 | stew | EmleyMoor: you are trying to run openobex, you are having a problem running it, what is the error... |
| 19:16.08 | EmleyMoor | stew: get from nothing to the point where obex_test works... |
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| 19:16.23 | EmleyMoor | obex_test: error while loading shared libraries: libopenobex.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory# |
| 19:16.44 | loggygreg | Floxxx: try #debian-amd64 |
| 19:17.09 | JLogik | guess not |
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| 19:17.36 | stew | EmleyMoor: do you have anything named libopenobex in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib ? |
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| 19:17.46 | stew | EmleyMoor: libopenobex* that is |
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| 19:17.49 | ericw | hello |
| 19:17.53 | EmleyMoor | stew: (apparently) not |
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| 19:18.23 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, have you ran updatedb and locate <libname> yet |
| 19:18.32 | stew | EmleyMoor: did you have errors running "make install" ? did you set PREFIX when running ./configure? |
| 19:18.33 | EmleyMoor | Waiting |
| 19:18.55 | EmleyMoor | I didn't have errors running make install and did not set PREFIX |
| 19:18.57 | webwolf_27 | EmleyMoor, updatedb can take a while |
| 19:19.15 | stew | EmleyMoor: did you try just ls /usr/lib/libopenobex* /usr/local/lib/libopenobex* ? |
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| 19:19.24 | ericw | is hmh here? (Henrique de Moraes Holschuh) |
| 19:19.27 | EmleyMoor | Yes - not there |
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| 19:19.41 | webwolf_27 | stew, I'm guessing the libs are not in his path |
| 19:19.42 | dondelelcaro | ericw: no |
| 19:19.52 | EmleyMoor | The libs are not to be found |
| 19:20.04 | ericw | dondelelcaro, does he frequent here? |
| 19:20.08 | dondelelcaro | ericw: no |
| 19:20.21 | ericw | dondelelcaro, thanks. |
| 19:20.29 | dondelelcaro | ericw: np |
| 19:20.29 | stew | webwolf_27: i'm guessing either the makefile is broken or he messed a step in INSTALL |
| 19:20.37 | dondelelcaro | ericw: what's the problem? |
| 19:20.42 | webwolf_27 | ok I'm out. I need to put the kids in bed |
| 19:21.06 | webwolf_27 | stew, if he ran configure then the makefile should be ok |
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| 19:21.19 | radz | re all |
| 19:21.20 | EmleyMoor | Is there an easy way to find out all the FEATUREs (as in --enable-FEATURE) I can configure for one of these? |
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| 19:21.49 | abrotman | it depends .. some will take ./configure --help |
| 19:22.14 | stew | EmleyMoor: is there an INSTALL file? |
| 19:22.20 | EmleyMoor | stew: Yes |
| 19:22.25 | abrotman | damog: guess who's going to .mx! |
| 19:22.34 | resiak | abrotman: You're going to .mx?! |
| 19:22.36 | theu | hi there, I have a fresh new Hoher TV with VGA input but I am unable to make it work in xorg cause I dont know the frequencies... what should I do? |
| 19:22.50 | abrotman | damog: David Moreno Garza is going! |
| 19:22.51 | kspath | abrotman: for the grand get together? |
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| 19:23.00 | abrotman | resiak: undecided .. i still feel it's not the best idea |
| 19:23.14 | abrotman | i think it would be fun ... but not sure i would contribute |
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| 19:23.16 | Irrumator | Anyone know how can I make custom menus for gnome-panel in gnome-panel 2.12? |
| 19:23.17 | abrotman | or could even |
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| 19:23.50 | hruske | why is packages.d.o down? |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | hruske: load issues |
| 19:24.09 | hruske | oh. |
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| 19:24.16 | hruske | so how is it going to be solved? |
| 19:24.32 | theu | I made it work in windows 1024x768x16 @ 60Herz, and tried medium configuration with the same conf but without success.. |
| 19:24.33 | abrotman | hruske: more cowbell |
| 19:24.37 | theu | only sux :) |
| 19:24.38 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 19:25.07 | thingfish | I gotta fever! |
| 19:25.10 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... the makefile is just not installing the libs - that's all - obviously need to find what target lib installation comes under |
| 19:25.14 | xbox_sky | how do you compile something that doesn't have a ./confi/make ? |
| 19:25.27 | bbrazil | xbox_sky: read the INSTALL file |
| 19:25.28 | abrotman | ask the people who wrote it |
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| 19:25.36 | hruske | abrotman, how much cowbell is needed? :) |
| 19:25.42 | xbox_sky | bbrazil already checked it |
| 19:25.43 | xbox_sky | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7658 |
| 19:25.45 | xbox_sky | says nothing |
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| 19:26.03 | abrotman | hruske: 3 metric tonnes |
| 19:26.07 | xbox_sky | abrotman...well I try to find a quick solution not one that can take weeks if the autho even chooses to respond |
| 19:26.24 | abrotman | xbox_sky: are you running ubuntu ? |
| 19:26.28 | ericw | dondelelcaro, I'm getting crashes of the cyrus database, (/var/lib/db/) |
| 19:26.32 | ericw | this appears to be db3 database. |
| 19:26.33 | xbox_sky | abrotman, yeah |
| 19:26.37 | bbrazil | xbox_sky: that looks like a changelog or readme |
| 19:26.44 | xbox_sky | it's the readme file |
| 19:26.46 | abrotman | so why not ask #ubuntu ? |
| 19:26.46 | ericw | I kill cyrmaster and then start it, and it works again. |
| 19:26.51 | xbox_sky | the source folder contains no make/configure |
| 19:26.57 | xbox_sky | abrotman already did |
| 19:27.10 | valdyn | xbox_sky: source packages EVERY contrain make ? |
| 19:27.13 | abrotman | so why are you asking here? |
| 19:27.14 | stew | xbox_sky: ask the author then, he'd certainly know better than we |
| 19:27.14 | ericw | dondelelcaro, the system is an em64t box running unstable. |
| 19:27.15 | valdyn | xbox_sky: source packages EVER contrain make ? |
| 19:27.26 | xbox_sky | eh it shouldn't be a difference what distro I use if it's a source |
| 19:27.38 | xbox_sky | valdyn huh? |
| 19:27.42 | abrotman | no .. but how should we know what you're compiling or what tools ubuntu has |
| 19:27.45 | xbox_sky | aren't they? |
| 19:27.51 | ericw | cyrus-imapd : 2.1.18-2 |
| 19:27.55 | valdyn | !make |
| 19:27.55 | dpkg | make: *** No rule to make target. Stop. See also Makefile |
| 19:27.59 | xbox_sky | abrotman you got a point |
| 19:28.24 | tototo | hello |
| 19:28.26 | xbox_sky | I'm trying to compile http://powerpost.cjb.net/ (source) |
| 19:28.33 | xbox_sky | and I only know how to use confi/make |
| 19:28.52 | xbox_sky | I thought you guys would have a clue... |
| 19:29.03 | kspath | << clueless. |
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| 19:30.16 | hruske | abrotman, what about distributed packages.d.o, like more hosts doing it? |
| 19:30.23 | tototo | i am searching a linux software that could scan a hdd and try to recover files from it, and not like testdisk or gpart that try to recover the partition table |
| 19:30.34 | azeem | hruske: that's not the issue |
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| 19:30.50 | abrotman | xbox_sky: but it's a windows app |
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| 19:31.00 | hruske | hum... did i misunderstand the issue then? not the cpu usage/load? |
| 19:31.07 | Eulex | xbox_sky, nice. connection refused. |
| 19:31.16 | tarzeau | tototo: what filesystem? |
| 19:31.20 | Eulex | hmm, noy anymore |
| 19:31.23 | xbox_sky | abrotman, (noob here) but I thought it didn't matter if there was a source? |
| 19:31.23 | abrotman | xbox_sky: the guy tells you in the damn docs that he builds it with VC++ |
| 19:31.24 | Eulex | *not |
| 19:31.28 | tototo | does anyone know any files are ext3 format |
| 19:31.33 | tarzeau | tototo: problem is files are split into inodes(blocks) and scattered all around the disk |
| 19:31.33 | xbox_sky | Eulex, works for evryone else |
| 19:31.34 | abrotman | xbox_sky: i don't know .. VC++ has some oddities |
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| 19:31.49 | tarzeau | tototo: ext3 is a filesystem |
| 19:31.50 | xbox_sky | VC++ heh doesn't tell me a thing but ok |
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| 19:32.04 | xbox_sky | like I said i'm NEW to the whole compiling thing :D (only used make/confi) |
| 19:32.06 | abrotman | xbox_sky: read original_source_readme.txt |
| 19:32.15 | tarzeau | tototo: and if you do mkfs.ext2/3 over an exisiting ext2/3 partition, nothing's gonna be able to help you |
| 19:32.27 | abrotman | xbox_sky: regardless .. it's not on debian .. and certainly not a problem with a debian package |
| 19:32.27 | _rene_ | hruske: afaik, also is big issue/was it the load the cronjob does. takes to 27 hours... |
| 19:32.31 | stew | xbox_sky: that source code is for windows only |
| 19:32.35 | tarzeau | tototo: i've hand recovered my gpg key using lde. it wasn't fun (out of 20 gb) |
| 19:32.38 | _rene_ | hruske: and that slowed down ftp.d.o.... |
| 19:32.39 | xbox_sky | aha |
| 19:32.49 | hruske | huh. |
| 19:32.49 | _rene_ | hruske: not just http load. |
| 19:32.59 | xbox_sky | sorry guys I thought it was okay to ask anyways... I won't happen again :) |
| 19:33.21 | tarzeau | anyone an expert recovering broken nethack games? |
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| 19:33.49 | gozz | when i play movies my audio/video is out of sync with all players i did a google for it but all i found is people with the same question and no answer posted. could somone here please point me in the right direction? |
| 19:33.56 | hruske | _rene_ or anybody, do you know how the package search is made, can i install pa deb or something an it will set up? |
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| 19:34.17 | tototo | tarzeau, yep but for obscure reason my table partition has been crashed and testdisk did not get the geometry of the hdd right (same for gpart) |
| 19:34.22 | valdyn | gozz: which player are you using? |
| 19:34.28 | stew | gozz: you can fudge them back into sync with mplayers -delay option sometimes |
| 19:34.37 | tarzeau | tototo: that sucks |
| 19:34.38 | Eulex | gozz, are you using some kind of audio server? |
| 19:34.44 | gozz | kplayer/mplayer/noatun |
| 19:34.53 | gozz | alsa |
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| 19:35.07 | valdyn | gozz: and you do have the w32codecs installed? |
| 19:35.10 | Eulex | *audio daemon |
| 19:35.13 | gozz | yes |
| 19:35.16 | tototo | tarzeau, truly and the partition is my home |
| 19:35.43 | valdyn | gozz: a) broken video or b) 'new' codec that you miss the proper ( or newest ) dll for |
| 19:36.03 | tarzeau | tototo: you've got a funny nickname |
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| 19:37.01 | ladyisabel77 | is true that the new kernel has writin support on ntfs? |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
| 19:37.14 | valdyn | gozz: uh, is this happening with _all_ videos? |
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| 19:37.27 | Eulex | ladyisabel77, yes, 2.6.15 has partial support for it. |
| 19:37.37 | gozz | yes |
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| 19:37.51 | dr1v3r | guys if i had mrtg setup on a control panel to view my net stats and then i installed in onto my system would their be any conflicts? |
| 19:37.52 | londonboi2k3 | Ello all |
| 19:38.25 | gozz | even different codecs wmv/mpg/vob/xvid |
| 19:38.26 | valdyn | gozz: if this is the only symptom then i dont know, but its possible that video / audio get out of sync when you buffer in mplayer is to small |
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| 19:38.57 | valdyn | gozz: but that should have effects on your picture playback too |
| 19:39.08 | Eulex | gozz, you're sure that you're not using some kind of audio daemon? |
| 19:39.10 | m-yn | hi all |
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| 19:39.16 | radz | re |
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| 19:39.39 | gozz | not unless its setup by default |
| 19:39.59 | valdyn | mplayer wouldnt use any of these audio servers by default |
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| 19:40.06 | bobw | can someone tell me how to get the full deb name when I do a dpkg -l | grep kernel I cant see the full deb name |
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| 19:40.19 | radz | I've updated KDE, all is fine but it starts to show splashes about current brightness level and tells me that LCG (on my notebook :) is off |
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| 19:40.30 | resiak | bobw: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 19:40.33 | radz | how to disable such behaviour of KDE? |
| 19:40.46 | valdyn | bobw: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel |
| 19:40.59 | Eulex | valdyn, but wouldn't it try using an audio server if an audio server is blocking sound output? |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | COLUMNS=250! |
| 19:41.12 | valdyn | Eulex: nope |
| 19:41.13 | radz | 360! |
| 19:41.17 | Pablo | can anyone suggest a package I can add to set my ip address on my machine... choose dhcp or static... dns... gateway.... and such... maybe even see wireless networks open? |
| 19:41.25 | Eulex | valdyn, hmm, ok |
| 19:41.42 | kspath | 470! |
| 19:41.42 | radz | Pablo, vi? |
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| 19:41.55 | radz | Pablo, vi, ifconfig, iwconfig? |
| 19:41.55 | Eulex | Pablo, ifconfig, iwconfig, dhclient, man interfaces |
| 19:42.05 | Pablo | ok |
| 19:42.13 | gozz | is their a place to look for errors such as broken video/audio ? |
| 19:42.20 | Pablo | I was looking for somthing besides cli but thanks |
| 19:42.26 | radz | i am using wifi right now as main network interface (when I at home) |
| 19:42.27 | bobw | resiak, valdyn so the COLUMNS shell variable is read by dpkg, what else uses it? |
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| 19:42.37 | Eulex | Pablo, the cli is superior to any gui |
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| 19:42.53 | Pablo | ok Eulex |
| 19:43.14 | kspath | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.29 | valdyn | bobw: its not read by dpkg, dpkg queries the terminal's size which gets adjusted by setting COLUMNS |
| 19:43.34 | radz | Eulex, did you remember about my rare notebook? I think I need to develop a kernel module like pl2303 for my mp3 player |
| 19:43.55 | valdyn | bobw: so, any tool that respects your terminals size will 'read' COLUMNS |
| 19:43.57 | radz | kde shows: KDE Alert: LCD is off |
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| 19:44.03 | radz | how to disable it? |
| 19:44.04 | Eulex | radz, hmm, ok. yes, as it's not supported, you'd probably need to do that. |
| 19:44.12 | Eulex | radz, for the kde problem, try #debian-kde |
| 19:44.12 | bobw | resiak, valdyn my deb file still seems broken with a space or something |
| 19:44.22 | gozz | it seems to work the sound on mp3 is clearly better than my xp and video is at 1792x1344 |
| 19:44.42 | kspath | radz: there is always ion3 and openbox3 |
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| 19:45.01 | radz | ok |
| 19:45.16 | radz | does anyone use Kino? |
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| 19:45.47 | strider | Could someone recommend a GUI frontend for Postgresql |
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| 19:47.48 | tototo | tarzeau, mm i m going to look lde |
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| 19:51.00 | opnsrc | How does Linux know if a file is executable or not |
| 19:51.09 | tarzeau | opnsrc: it doesn't |
| 19:51.12 | opnsrc | IE: I make a file, it's just called test. It says plain text document (but some files are executable) |
| 19:51.17 | opnsrc | How does it lable them |
| 19:51.22 | tarzeau | opnsrc: what it says? file ? |
| 19:51.23 | opnsrc | IE: In windows it's .exe .txt |
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| 19:51.37 | opnsrc | how does that work in Linux |
| 19:51.37 | tarzeau | opnsrc: on unix it's executable or not, man chmod |
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| 19:51.45 | tarzeau | opnsrc: it's not the name |
| 19:51.53 | Eulex | opnsrc, linux has a special permission that tells who may execute it. |
| 19:51.56 | tarzeau | opnsrc: it's the permission (on windows called attribute) |
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| 19:52.06 | CosmoDad | is there a way to make an environment variable available to /usr/foo everytime that binary will be executed (either directly or in a script)? |
| 19:52.07 | Gnea | opnsrc: it's filesystem controlled |
| 19:52.12 | opnsrc | uhm..... How do you change that |
| 19:52.15 | Amiga4ever | any finnish people here? |
| 19:52.20 | tarzeau | opnsrc: use a windows filesytem |
| 19:52.21 | Gnea | opnsrc: man chmod |
| 19:52.24 | opnsrc | If it's not the name of the file / extension |
| 19:52.25 | opnsrc | K thanks |
| 19:52.28 | tarzeau | !fi |
| 19:52.29 | dpkg | somebody said fi was Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out |
| 19:52.46 | Gnea | !tell opnsrc about newbie-guide |
| 19:52.50 | kspath | opnsrc: man chmod man chown man chgrp man mv |
| 19:53.00 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 19:53.09 | Neverth | Amiga4ever, yes? |
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| 19:53.27 | tarzeau | opnsrc: also check the faq in /topic |
| 19:53.37 | Eulex | !permissions |
| 19:53.37 | dpkg | permissions is probably multiple acts of permitting, or http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
| 19:53.48 | Amiga4ever | Neverth, some questions =) |
| 19:53.58 | opnsrc | I think this is probably a much better system come to think about it |
| 19:54.05 | Amiga4ever | about installing debian |
| 19:54.14 | ronin | Amiga4ever: so far so good |
| 19:54.16 | opnsrc | When moving files around and renaming files it makes it less likely file types will get messed up |
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| 19:54.52 | Neverth | Amiga4ever, come on or create other chan where we can discuss |
| 19:55.18 | Eulex | Amiga4ever, create #debian.fi? :) |
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| 19:55.42 | Amiga4ever | hmm.. good idea |
| 19:55.44 | Neverth | hehe |
| 19:55.55 | Amiga4ever | don't know.. |
| 19:55.57 | Neverth | wonder if there's sane people:p |
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| 19:56.37 | Gnea | Neverth: that would imply that sane people once existed |
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| 19:57.03 | Neverth | Gnea, nah |
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| 19:57.15 | ronin | sane people? ive read about that |
| 19:57.50 | Gnea | ronin: yeah, weren't they given high dosages of narcotics to keep them sane? ;) |
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| 19:58.49 | m-yn | does anybody knows how i can use a netinst debian CD with a USB modem ?? |
| 19:58.52 | kspath | Gnea: more like subdued rather than increasing ones ability to determine and abide by group based norms |
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| 19:59.26 | Gnea | kspath: taking away their ability of self-control? |
| 19:59.33 | ronin | Gnea: :) |
| 19:59.34 | Willl | bonjours àtous, Hi all |
| 19:59.50 | kspath | Gnea: you are assuming they had self-control? |
| 20:00.04 | Gnea | kspath: hehe |
| 20:00.15 | Eulex | !insaneinsid |
| 20:00.17 | Eulex | !insaneinside |
| 20:00.17 | dpkg | i guess insaneinside is a cool guy. And whatever you might be led to believe, he is a normal person. Really. |
| 20:00.58 | kspath | self-control is rather subjective and relative. |
| 20:01.06 | opnsrc | how do I use chmod to see the attributes of a file? |
| 20:01.16 | kspath | opnsrc: man ls |
| 20:01.19 | Gnea | opnsrc: you don't. lsattr |
| 20:01.55 | kspath | opnsrc: man strings man less man cat man more man man |
| 20:02.42 | fhffhqvb | i need something to do ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1 when my ISP fucks my modem. |
| 20:02.44 | opnsrc | lsattr doesn't show any attribute. Does that mean it's a text file by default? |
| 20:02.55 | rambo3 | ls -l |
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| 20:02.58 | CosmoDad | is /etc/environment honored by interactive shells only? |
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| 20:03.52 | Eulex | opnsrc, attributes != permissions |
| 20:03.58 | Gnea | opnsrc: well you said 'attributes' |
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| 20:04.00 | theu | HEEEELP, I need to make my LCD display to work ... get-edid don't give me any info.. I don't know the refresh rate.. what should I do... plz help |
| 20:04.05 | opnsrc | permissions then |
| 20:04.12 | Gnea | opnsrc: they are 2 entirely different things. |
| 20:04.24 | Gnea | !plz |
| 20:04.24 | dpkg | plz is, like, german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 20:04.36 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 20:05.06 | tarzeau | !list |
| 20:05.06 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to tarzeau@is.a.fucktard.com |
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| 20:05.15 | gozz | how do i know if i have sarge? |
| 20:05.15 | Eulex | haha |
| 20:05.17 | tarzeau | !dir |
| 20:05.17 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 20:05.27 | Eulex | gozz, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 20:05.29 | Gnea | gozz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:05.33 | theu | thank you very much |
| 20:07.16 | kspath | omg no strings command! /me does himself in. |
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| 20:09.19 | Nurbs | heh |
| 20:09.23 | tarzeau | Gnea: screenshot? |
| 20:09.32 | gozz | Eulex = ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezones Gnea = 3.1 so i guess i dont have sarge or it would say so? |
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| 20:09.53 | Gnea | gozz: sarge is 3.1 |
| 20:10.06 | gozz | ok |
| 20:10.16 | Gnea | !sarge |
| 20:10.16 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 20:10.28 | Eulex | gozz, you have sarge. |
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| 20:12.09 | rambo3 | so basicly windows genuine check work with wine |
| 20:12.19 | rambo3 | and lets me download stuff |
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| 20:13.21 | gozz | well my video driver uses xorg so thats probably why i was having video/audio sync issues with movies |
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| 20:13.35 | gozz | can i apt xorg? |
| 20:13.41 | cisse | course |
| 20:14.04 | Gnea | tarzeau: http://phpking.org/~gnea/pix/screensaver.jpg |
| 20:14.17 | opnsrc | that's weird, in order to get the umask you subtract the numerical permission setting from 666 |
| 20:14.33 | opnsrc | Linux is evil I tell you (j/k) |
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| 20:15.10 | Gnea | opnsrc: how is that weird? |
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| 20:15.25 | theu | my screen work in MSXP, but not in xorg, I can't find any spec vrefresh etc.. on the web, how may I get information in windows to write it in my xorg.conf? |
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| 20:15.45 | Gnea | opnsrc: that is something that the original unix devised |
| 20:16.25 | Gnea | theu: by searching for the information related to your display |
| 20:16.34 | Z_God | my system is really messed up :-/ |
| 20:16.34 | Z_God | both VLC & XMMS segfault .... |
| 20:16.52 | kspath | opnsrc: it is based on 777 not that it matters at all |
| 20:17.08 | tarzeau | Gnea: i've seen better screensavers |
| 20:17.18 | tototo | how to get the right geometry of an hdd ? |
| 20:17.23 | Gnea | tarzeau: no one cares what you've seen |
| 20:17.39 | cisse | electricsheep is a pretty cool screensaver |
| 20:17.57 | kspath | opnsrc: have you studied base-N numbering? binary octal decimal hex ? |
| 20:18.06 | opnsrc | yeah |
| 20:18.22 | kspath | opnsrc You should be set. |
| 20:18.31 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 20:18.58 | gozz | is it better to download another version of debian installation cd to get all the latest drivers and stuff to work? cause this debian backport page says my crap is outdated |
| 20:19.14 | tarzeau | gozz: all the latest stuff is not available on cd |
| 20:19.22 | tarzeau | gozz: check !sid faq |
| 20:19.39 | kspath | opnsrc: what is pi in base-pi ? |
| 20:19.52 | zealop | 1? |
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| 20:19.54 | EmleyMoor | Why when they incorporate the patches you already need do they screw stuff up? |
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| 20:21.22 | opnsrc | 3.14159 |
| 20:21.28 | mith | you can have multiple up or post-up lines in /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
| 20:21.32 | opnsrc | kspath, isn't it 3.14159 |
| 20:21.38 | EmleyMoor | openobex hasn't installed the executable "openobex-config", which is a prerequisite for obexftp |
| 20:21.40 | Gnea | mith: yes |
| 20:22.00 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: maybe it's in the -dev package |
| 20:22.02 | opnsrc | I was just saying the 666 part is weird because in Revelations 13:13 it mentions 666 |
| 20:22.10 | gozz | that first part is kinda insulting lol |
| 20:22.27 | EmleyMoor | Gnea: If I was using the debian packages, I'd potentially agree |
| 20:22.28 | Gnea | what the fuck is Revelations 13:13? |
| 20:22.33 | abrotman | kspath: it would be 1 |
| 20:22.37 | EmleyMoor | Gnea: A verse in the Holy Bible |
| 20:22.38 | kspath | opnsrc: I heard henry say the number 13 was scary |
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| 20:22.54 | rambo3 | do all std libraries install with gcc or do i have to download them ? |
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| 20:23.10 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: figures. |
| 20:23.23 | kspath | opnsrc: have you opted for using your brain? Belief in a deity should not incline oneself to shuting down your brain. |
| 20:23.30 | boonle | hello, what do i have to install to fix this: |
| 20:23.30 | boonle | checking for g++... no |
| 20:23.30 | boonle | checking for c++... no |
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| 20:23.38 | Gnea | opnsrc: that has nothing to do with it. |
| 20:23.40 | opnsrc | kspath, I was kidding |
| 20:23.43 | kspath | opnsrc: learn ancient greek and go read some stuff |
| 20:23.49 | kspath | opnsrc: not funny to me |
| 20:23.54 | opnsrc | well sorry |
| 20:24.06 | Gnea | opnsrc: it's funny when planes fly into buildings because people believe in that shit so badly? |
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| 20:24.12 | kspath | opnsrc: take your self out back and give yourself a spanking |
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| 20:24.23 | rambo3 | and you know that jesus is the bigest conmen ever ?2000 old foud |
| 20:24.27 | rambo3 | froud |
| 20:24.30 | opnsrc | Gnea, first of all, that's islam, secondly, you can't defend what people do with a belief, you can only defend the belief |
| 20:24.45 | opnsrc | non religious and religios people both have done evil stuff |
| 20:24.46 | ronin | *cough* crusades |
| 20:24.52 | Gnea | all religious discussion will now be dropped. |
| 20:24.53 | opnsrc | and both have done good |
| 20:24.56 | dondelelcaro | folks, please take the religious conversation to #religion or #politics |
| 20:25.05 | opnsrc | religious * |
| 20:25.07 | kspath | ronin: evil people pretend to be members of religions all the time. |
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| 20:25.49 | kspath | !war editor |
| 20:25.59 | m-yn | can anybody help me, how to install debian with the netinst CD using a USB modem????? |
| 20:25.59 | cisse | pretend ? as if you're not really a member if you are evil ? |
| 20:26.04 | Gnea | opnsrc: please, do us all and yourself a favor, and never mention anything that has to do with it in here ever again. |
| 20:26.09 | dondelelcaro | kspath, ronin, opnsrc, Gnea, cisse: yes, that means you... |
| 20:26.15 | cisse | =P ok |
| 20:26.30 | m-yn | nobody? :S |
| 20:26.34 | opnsrc | anywho, sorry if I offended anyone (didn't mean to). if I type in lsattr everything on the left side is blank. Permissions seem to indicate who may and may not execute, read from, and write to a file. which one determines what kind of file it is? |
| 20:26.36 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: oh i'm done with it. |
| 20:26.54 | ronin | patience m-yn give folks more then 30 seconds |
| 20:26.57 | opnsrc | IE: what it does when I double click it (open in ge edit, execute, etc...) |
| 20:27.10 | Gnea | opnsrc: the 'file' command will tell you |
| 20:27.12 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: lsattr just shows you the extended attributes; double clicking is something totally different |
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| 20:27.33 | dondelelcaro | kspath: you've been timed out for 10 minutes |
| 20:27.34 | Gnea | heh |
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| 20:27.41 | opnsrc | how do you view the file command in xterm |
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| 20:27.42 | m-yn | hehe sure ok ronin, but i gave them already half an hour: "¦20:58¦ <m-yn> does....." |
| 20:27.50 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: what double clicking does is dependent on what you're double clicking in |
| 20:27.59 | Gnea | just type: file <filename> |
| 20:28.06 | ronin | m-yn: well with over 800 folks in here it can take some time sometimes |
| 20:28.18 | opnsrc | you mean what folder? |
| 20:28.18 | ronin | sweet its quitting time |
| 20:28.20 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.26 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: sane things should follow mimemagic and then obey /etc/mailcap, but unfortunatly, most GUI interfaces are of questionable saneness |
| 20:28.41 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: no, i mean what file browser you're using |
| 20:28.56 | opnsrc | well then how does the file browser determine |
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| 20:28.59 | m-yn | ok ronin, i just hope this question dont get lost.. :S |
| 20:29.13 | opnsrc | IE: in windows it determines based on the extension ( .exe .txt .com .bat) |
| 20:29.15 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: depends. some do it by running through mime-magic with it |
| 20:29.15 | Gnea | opnsrc: through mime types |
| 20:29.32 | opnsrc | ok thanks |
| 20:29.33 | dondelelcaro | m-yn: using a USB modem may be difficult |
| 20:29.54 | m-yn | hehe yes dondelelcaro, i remarked it :S but isnt there a way? |
| 20:30.13 | dondelelcaro | m-yn: if you know that that modem actually works in linux at all, then it should be possible to set up the ppp connection through it once you bring up the modem. I've just never bothered. |
| 20:30.16 | opnsrc | so how do I view the mime types from a terminal? |
| 20:30.22 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: with file foofile; |
| 20:30.22 | Gnea | opnsrc: you can have a file named file.txt and it could be command.com but if the system only relies based upon the face-value, then it could be a problem, like a virus or backdoor. |
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| 20:30.57 | dondelelcaro | m-yn: I'd personally recommend getting the first cd if you can, and installing that way... much easier. |
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| 20:31.07 | m-yn | i googled about linuxdrivers for this modem, but i couldnt find :S |
| 20:31.20 | Gnea | opnsrc: here's a simple test: touch file.txt && file file.txt && echo "this is some text" > file.txt && file file.txt && cat /dev/urandom > file.txt (hit ctrl-c after a few seconds) then file.txt |
| 20:31.22 | dondelelcaro | m-yn: yeah, it may not be supported |
| 20:32.00 | Gnea | opnsrc: er, then file file.txt |
| 20:32.39 | m-yn | i wrote to the company, but they didnt answer me.. :S |
| 20:32.56 | opnsrc | so basically if you insert executable code inside the file it knows it's an executable file |
| 20:33.10 | opnsrc | IE: like zip files start with pz or whatever |
| 20:33.22 | Gnea | well let's see |
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| 20:33.47 | m-yn | and now i installed debian sucessful with vmware which is installed on windows. i can boot debian with vmware, but without i get a "kernel panic" error message |
| 20:34.15 | Gnea | opnsrc: as long as it's real, sure |
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| 20:35.09 | Gnea | opnsrc: if it's mixed and matched, then not likely. something can be a shell script but not have the proper mode set, it woudln't run if you just typed it |
| 20:35.28 | opnsrc | Wow, if I change the text inside test into MZ (a Windows executable) it tries to open in Wine |
| 20:35.30 | opnsrc | Very smart |
| 20:35.55 | Gnea | interesting, what window manager are you using? |
| 20:36.11 | opnsrc | Uhm... whichever one nautilus has |
| 20:36.20 | Gnea | gnome? |
| 20:36.45 | opnsrc | yeah |
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| 20:36.53 | opnsrc | the thing is I've never seen anything like this before. It's so elegant |
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| 20:37.21 | opnsrc | Now it's a Dos Windows executable instead of a text file |
| 20:37.51 | Gnea | opnsrc: scary. |
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| 20:39.18 | Gnea | opnsrc: i don't know if you know, but it sounds like you don't - awhile ago, the gnome authors thought it would be in everyone's best interest to turn off certain features because they thought that such extensive features would only confuse people |
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| 20:40.43 | chakatz | Can anyone recommend a program for TV viewing and capture? |
| 20:40.44 | EmleyMoor | Is there anyone around who knows the right way to compile and install obexftp with USB support? I have sorted openobex |
| 20:40.48 | Gnea | opnsrc: kind of like how certain administrative features in windows are only available to, well, administrators - except that linux already has a well-defined setup between root and non-root users |
| 20:40.51 | EmleyMoor | chakatz: tvtime |
| 20:40.53 | BoldStrike | has anyone configured postfix? |
| 20:41.00 | EdLin | chakatz: tvtime for playing, mythtv for capture |
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| 20:41.35 | mgoetze | so, i just installed the krb5-admin-server package, and when i try to start it it goes "kadmind: No such file or directory while initializing, aborting" - any hints? |
| 20:41.41 | opnsrc | Gnea, well with Linux it's built into the file system |
| 20:41.44 | opnsrc | which is even better |
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| 20:41.52 | ma3x | hello, I keep receiving the following error, which halts my system sometimes when I boot: http://pastebin.com/524553 |
| 20:42.05 | Gnea | opnsrc: that's not the case, you mis-interpretted what i said before :) |
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| 20:42.38 | opnsrc | No I understood what you said before |
| 20:42.41 | Gnea | opnsrc: the filesystem itself has certain attributes defined that provide the layer between the kernel level and the user level |
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| 20:42.48 | chakatz | What about hardware. I bought a Pinnacle capture card but I don't think it's supported. Any recommendations for a card? I will be viewing/capturing from cable/vcr and camcorder. |
| 20:42.49 | opnsrc | but with Windows the difference isn't built into the file system |
| 20:42.54 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: sounds like some sort of corruption in your filesystem or a bug in the ext3 driver (or likely, both) |
| 20:43.09 | Gnea | opnsrc: actually, NTFS has a lot of things built into it |
| 20:43.18 | falkon | simple SSH question: I have two computers running on the same network with ssh on different ports. I want to access them both remotely, but the system I am on won't let me access since the keys are different. How do I add multiple keys for the same IP? How do I get the keys? |
| 20:43.30 | opnsrc | well I don't know much about NTFS , I'm still stuck on Fat32 |
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| 20:43.44 | dondelelcaro | chakatz: I thought the btx ones were fairly cheap and well supported; but your best bet is probalby to check google for the cards supported by the capture devices that you want to use. |
| 20:43.44 | Gnea | opnsrc: the difference is pure, basic and simple: microsoft is closed source and linux is open source :) |
| 20:43.51 | dondelelcaro | chakatz: the mythtv project has a reasonable list of them |
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| 20:44.05 | opnsrc | exactly |
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| 20:44.30 | dondelelcaro | falkon: the best method is to create a configuration option in your .ssh file and a special hostname on that box for each of the machines |
| 20:44.34 | Gnea | opnsrc: you can download the linux kernel source and see exactly how it's all setup - with windows, you get some online manual that tells you how to use it, not how it's built |
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| 20:44.46 | maximo | hi, am i able to browse my shared files in windows from linux using samba? |
| 20:44.55 | blondie | yes |
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| 20:45.13 | dondelelcaro | falkon: then specify that for that particular host that it has a HostKeyAlias, and that CheckHostIp should not be done. |
| 20:45.17 | falkon | dondelelcaro: how would I do that? The ssh on this box identifies by the IP |
| 20:45.24 | maximo | blondie: can you tell me how? |
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| 20:45.31 | opnsrc | Gnea, I can build my own kernel and taylor it to my computer (add whatever modules I want and put whatever I think is necessary inside the kernel while taking out stuff I don't want). |
| 20:45.39 | dondelelcaro | falkon: create an entry for that hostname in /etc/hosts; and then add an appropriate line to your ~/.ssh/cofnig |
| 20:45.42 | dondelelcaro | s/fn/nf/ |
| 20:45.44 | Gnea | opnsrc: yup |
| 20:45.46 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 20:45.55 | blazefx | what up all |
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| 20:45.59 | CosmoDad | is it possible to have an environment variable available to all processes in a system (not just interactive shells)? |
| 20:46.05 | dondelelcaro | falkon: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home-plus/.ssh/config has an example |
| 20:46.06 | Gnea | that's one of the key features that i like about it :) |
| 20:46.27 | blondie | maximo: umm which way round? is linux the server or the client |
| 20:46.59 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: environmental variables are generally inherited from parent processes |
| 20:47.00 | Gnea | CosmoDad: like a transport? |
| 20:47.09 | mgoetze | ok, let's try the other way around: has anyone here actually run a kerberos server? |
| 20:47.12 | maximo | maximo: the client |
| 20:47.20 | maximo | blondie** |
| 20:47.20 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: so can I anchor a variable in init or something? |
| 20:47.28 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:47.29 | CosmoDad | Gnea: not sure what you mean by transport... |
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| 20:47.35 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I' |
| 20:47.36 | _keroppi_ | I'm trying to run firefox, and it won't bring up its window, or do anything else at all, really. Here are more details with strace: http://pastebin.com/524528 |
| 20:47.37 | EmleyMoor | I am in deep difficulty with obexftp now |
| 20:47.49 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: sorry: I'm using nullmailer-inject with honors two environment variables |
| 20:47.56 | Gnea | CosmoDad: well you said 'system', i wasn't sure what you meant by that |
| 20:47.57 | blondie | maximo: either mount -t cifs, or use smbclient |
| 20:48.03 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I need these variables set everytime something calls nullmailer-inject |
| 20:48.25 | maximo | blondie: cifs? |
| 20:48.30 | CosmoDad | Gnea: by system, I meant: all processes in a system that evaluate environment variables |
| 20:48.44 | Gnea | CosmoDad: ah, so userland then |
| 20:48.47 | blondie | maximo: Common Internet File System |
| 20:48.51 | CosmoDad | Gnea: yes |
| 20:48.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:48.59 | blondie | mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/dir |
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| 20:49.06 | blondie | (but read the man page) |
| 20:49.08 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: everything should be calling /usr/sbin/sendmail, not nullmailer-inject |
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| 20:49.20 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: calling nullmailer-inject is asking for pain |
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| 20:49.31 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I installed nullmailer which replaces sendmail |
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| 20:49.52 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: yes, I run it too... but you use /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail, not nullmailer-inject |
| 20:49.53 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: so if sendmail honors these global variables I'm fine too |
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| 20:50.26 | XYZZZ | A beautiful day |
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| 20:50.48 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I know, but it's nullmailer-inject that will be eventually called and which I need to honor these global env vars |
| 20:50.53 | Gnea | CosmoDad: nullmailer is only a relay |
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| 20:51.08 | CosmoDad | Gnea: which sets up a sendmail emulation |
| 20:51.14 | nairu | ciao ragazzi |
| 20:51.15 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: you shouldn't need to change any of those environmental variables, because they're set up by the sendmail wrapper which calls nullmailer-inject |
| 20:51.16 | Gnea | CosmoDad: then install exim4 |
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| 20:51.54 | Gnea | CosmoDad: no, it doesn't, read the description |
| 20:51.59 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: it's a pair of env vars that is only known to nullmailer-inject, namely NULLMAILER_S{USER|HOST} |
| 20:52.04 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.05 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.17 | Gnea | if it's not LSB compatible, it's not emulating sendmail. period. |
| 20:52.18 | FarrisG | Anyone use a bluetooth headset in linux? I can get my machine/dongle to see the headset, but only while it's in pairing mode. Once I input the PIN and the headset goes into connect mode, the PC (via hcitool or kbluetoothd) no longer sees the device |
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| 20:52.46 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: that's set to MAILUSER or USER or LOGNAME, and MAILNAME or NAME; users set those environmental variables up themselves. |
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| 20:53.24 | CosmoDad | Gnea: ok my fault, thought it was an emulation because it's installed by nullmailer (/usr/sbin/sendmail) |
| 20:53.36 | Gnea | CosmoDad: is it something that a user sending an email needs to have defined? |
| 20:53.39 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I need to overwrite these with the S-variables, that's what they are good for |
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| 20:53.58 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: then set it in the environment of the user which is going to be calling nullmailer-inject |
| 20:54.04 | dondelelcaro | (or sendmail, or whatever) |
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| 20:54.28 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: or do what you're supposed to do, and use the -f flag to sendmail, which sets it for all mailers, not only nullmailer. |
| 20:54.30 | CosmoDad | Gnea: I want the from:-field to be set to a specific value for each local mail sent |
| 20:54.53 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: where'd I set that? there's a bunch of apps using the mail system |
| 20:54.56 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: SHOST doesn't set the From: field. It sets the envelope from. They're totally different. |
| 20:55.07 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: oh they are? |
| 20:55.10 | Gnea | CosmoDad: then you don't need nullmailer for that, exim4 can do that and everything else you need done, without having to specify anything in a users environment |
| 20:55.55 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: randomly resetting the From: field that a user sets in e-mails is pretty much broken |
| 20:56.18 | CosmoDad | Gnea: I was trying to stay away from a complicated exim configuration since I'm kind of an exim newbie |
| 20:56.18 | Falkon | dondelelcaro: I have a problem with the .ssh/config There are two machines behind teh IP I want to connect to. The only difference is the port SSH runs on. How will I tell SSH which key to use when the IPs are the same? |
| 20:56.23 | Gnea | CosmoDad: what dondelelcaro said, just look at any spam email in your inbox |
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| 20:56.41 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: you do it by specifying a name, not an ip. |
| 20:56.53 | Gnea | CosmoDad: exim.org has extensive and easy-to-read documentation - you find your question, it answers it. |
| 20:57.08 | CosmoDad | Gnea, dondelelcaro: I'll try exim |
| 20:57.31 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: create two alias in your /etc/hosts file. Add two entries to your .ssh/config which specify the key alias for each host, and tell it not to check the ip key. then delete the ip key using ssh-keygen -R ipaddress; |
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| 20:57.51 | Gnea | ok, time to get some things done |
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| 20:58.21 | CosmoDad | Gnea, dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:58.43 | Falkon | dondelelcaro: I don't think I can edit the hosts file on this computer, since I don't have sufficient privledges |
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| 20:59.03 | blazefx | Will deleting the system link in rc*.d / * remove that file ( say apple talk ) from loading when my computer starts up? |
| 20:59.07 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: well, then you're pretty much relegated to using ssh-keygen -R a lot |
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| 20:59.17 | Falkon | bah |
| 20:59.35 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: or setting up an alias to the hostname if ssh will work without trying to resolve it |
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| 20:59.38 | m0dY | sup all... any idea how to my binutils version ???? |
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| 21:00.07 | stew | m0dY: dpkg -l binutils |
| 21:00.09 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: see the HostName option for a possible way to specify it |
| 21:00.20 | blazefx | or do I have to use update-rc? |
| 21:00.23 | m0dY | stew: thanks |
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| 21:00.55 | dondelelcaro | Falkon: IE: Host youralias\nHostName theip\nCheckHostIp no\nHostKeyAlias youralias.theip\n |
| 21:01.08 | m0dY | it's 2.15-6 .. what if i wanna downgrade it to 2.14 ?? |
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| 21:02.06 | stew | m0dY: you'd have to find a copy on snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:02.33 | m0dY | a .deb package ? |
| 21:02.44 | stew | m0dY: yeah, and you'd have to find a matching gcc |
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| 21:03.07 | cusco | in what package comes mysql_config ?? |
| 21:03.18 | jelly | !info azureus sid |
| 21:03.20 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4921 kB, Installed size: 5572 kB |
| 21:03.26 | jelly | ooh, shiny |
| 21:03.56 | stew | cusco: my.cnf? mysql-common or mysql-common-4.1 |
| 21:04.30 | m0dY | stew: why a matching gcc and how to find it ? |
| 21:04.39 | blazefx | ;^x |
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| 21:04.53 | stew | !depends gcc sarge |
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| 21:04.58 | dpkg | gcc: depends on cpp (>= 4:3.3.5-3), gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1), cpp-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) |
| 21:05.06 | stew | !depends gcc-3.3 sarge |
| 21:05.09 | dpkg | gcc-3.3: depends on gcc-3.3-base (>= 1:3.3.5-13), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.4-3), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), cpp-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-13), cpp-3.3 (<< 1:3.3.6), binutils (>= 2.15-5) |
| 21:05.17 | cusco | stew: its installed but mysql_config command not found |
| 21:05.18 | cusco | why? |
| 21:05.35 | stew | m0dY: ^^^ becuase the gcc in sarge depends on binutils being at lease 2.15-5 |
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| 21:05.50 | stew | cusco: /msg dpkg apt-file ; then apt-fele search mysql_config |
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| 21:05.58 | stew | cusco: that file might not be packaged in debian |
| 21:06.05 | cr3 | anyone here have experience using the remind program? anything I should know before committing to the program? |
| 21:06.08 | m0dY | so if i found the binutils 2.14, how to know it's proper gcc version ? |
| 21:06.16 | XYZZZ | I want to wake up, where you are |
| 21:07.04 | stew | m0dY: find out when the binutils you are looking for was in sarge, and add a line to your sources.list for that day from snapshot.debian.net, then apt-get install binutils=version |
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| 21:09.30 | m0dY | mmm |
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| 21:09.45 | m0dY | i have a 64bit debian |
| 21:09.46 | brian111 | hey, can anyone help me with an ics issue |
| 21:09.52 | m0dY | will this make any difference ? |
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| 21:11.24 | cusco | thanks stew |
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| 21:12.12 | sm00f | does ne1 know how to create appleshares on a linux pc? |
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| 21:13.04 | stew | m0dY: that would depend on which 64 bit debian you have |
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| 21:13.50 | m0dY | debian 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp |
| 21:13.53 | m0dY | v 3.1 |
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| 21:14.17 | stew | m0dY: snapshot doesn't have amd64 |
| 21:14.29 | stew | m0dY: at least not from that period of time |
| 21:14.56 | m0dY | so no way to have a binutils 2.14 on my machine ? |
| 21:15.15 | XYZZZ | So, I got it on an Apple II |
| 21:15.25 | XYZZZ | ;) |
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| 21:16.13 | rambo3 | can you compile tit your self |
| 21:16.44 | m0dY | stew, the reason i want a 2.14 binutils is that there's a know bug for 64bit smp kernel compilation which have the only solution it a 2.14 binutils |
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| 21:17.05 | stew | m0dY: sounds like you should ask #debian-amd64 maybe |
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| 21:17.32 | m0dY | oh yeah |
| 21:17.37 | m0dY | connecting now ;) |
| 21:17.42 | m0dY | thanks stew |
| 21:17.43 | Nigromante | Hello, can anyone tell me a decent irc client for gnome ?? |
| 21:17.49 | astronut | is there a way to do something rsync like on tarballs? ie, update them w/o compressing from scratch |
| 21:17.54 | stew | Nigromante: gnome-terminal -e irssi |
| 21:18.00 | POVaddct | Nigromante: irssi in gnome-terminal :) |
| 21:18.09 | Nigromante | ok, thanks. |
| 21:18.29 | stew | astronut: tar -u updates |
| 21:18.37 | mith | stew: did you try doing a distupgrade to see if debian has fixed the newer version of the package to not have the issue? |
| 21:18.38 | bobw__ | help, when I login to Gnome I get an error message saying "No volume control elements and/or devices found" |
| 21:18.39 | astronut | stew: will it remove files? |
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| 21:19.16 | stew | mith: what pacakge, which issue? |
| 21:19.29 | stew | astronut: i'm not exactly sure of the behaviour |
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| 21:20.13 | astronut | "only append files that are newer than the copy in the archive" so i'm guessing no |
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| 21:22.25 | stew | astronut: yes, it appends, and doesn't remove |
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| 21:22.54 | astronut | meh, i'll just redo |
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| 21:27.33 | Jeeves_Moss | all: any one have issues with the "halt" command eating your mobo? |
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| 21:28.10 | Ungy | eating my motherboard? |
| 21:28.47 | Ungy | hal is eating my motherboard? |
| 21:28.50 | kspath | heating? comsuming? |
| 21:28.57 | kspath | consuming? |
| 21:29.08 | Jeeves_Moss | yep, I SSHed into the box to remotly shut it down. the command halted the system, but didden't shut down the actual hardware, so I pressed the button, nothing happened, so I pulled the plug. Then when I went to power it up latter, it won't turn on. |
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| 21:29.46 | _keroppi_ | I have an extremely difficult problem with firefox starting, the only useful information I had to get from strace. Here is the pastebin explaining everything: http://pastebin.com/524619 -- I have already asked ##linux, #debian on irc.freenode.net, and nobody has any ideas. Could someone help me out? |
| 21:29.56 | Jeeves_Moss | the MoBo has power, and if you jumper the remote line accross, the unit will start (as long as you keep it jumpered). as soon as you let go of the jumper, the system shuts down again. |
| 21:30.25 | beardy | _keroppi_: Well, you are here now.. in #debian.. |
| 21:30.26 | Ungy | Jeeves_Moss, did you flash the BIOS and reboot int h emiddle of doing it? |
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| 21:30.39 | ladyisabel77 | my via sound card freezes.. any idea.. i've alsa driver |
| 21:31.35 | pipeline | ladyisabel77: Is it in a busmastering slot? Does /proc/interrupts show any erroneous or misrouted/missed interrupts? |
| 21:31.46 | _keroppi_ | beardy: I pasted it from a question in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org. =) |
| 21:31.49 | zealop | _keroppi_: use opera. |
| 21:32.15 | Jeeves_Moss | Ungy: nope. Nothing to do with the BIOS. This thing has run fine for 4 months. I had it sitting there idle (as this one does most of the time), so I went to shut it down (had to move some things around, so the rack's power plug had to be pulled. Then all the problems started. The IDENTICAL system sitting next to it hasen't had any issues yet. |
| 21:32.16 | _keroppi_ | zealop: Although using a different piece of software is a solution, I'd rather try to get this working. I used to use Opera and switched all my crap to Firefox. |
| 21:32.21 | dominicano | hi all |
| 21:32.22 | beardy | kerneld_: What zealop said, or mozilla. |
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| 21:32.34 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Oh christ, not firedog :( |
| 21:32.45 | ladyisabel77 | i found about "dxs_support" but it dont go |
| 21:32.45 | beardy | gah.. |
| 21:32.53 | _keroppi_ | Now everyone dislikes Firefox? |
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| 21:33.06 | zealop | _keroppi_: i have always disliked it |
| 21:33.11 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Ditto. |
| 21:33.12 | Ungy | Jeeves_Moss, did it take a huge surge in the process? |
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| 21:33.49 | Ungy | I use firefox |
| 21:34.00 | Ungy | I like it better then IE or Opera |
| 21:34.08 | cahoot | Jeeves_Moss: you *did* plug it in again? |
| 21:34.21 | _keroppi_ | zealop: pipeline: why? |
| 21:34.30 | pipeline | _keroppi_: It's a monster. |
| 21:34.43 | zealop | _keroppi_: opera has better usability by default |
| 21:34.44 | _keroppi_ | Ungy: IE is just total crap, and shouldn't even enter the discussion about viable browsers. =) |
| 21:34.50 | pipeline | _keroppi_: It's every inch as bad as mozilla, but the features have been stripped, major developers have left the project, and it's riddled with memory leaks. |
| 21:34.57 | pipeline | _keroppi_: IE is at least fast. And it doesn't leak memory. |
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| 21:35.01 | Jeeves_Moss | Ungy:, nope. Every system is on its own seprate surge bar. What I don't get is I shut each system down one by one to make sure nothing like that happened. This system is in the middle of the rack, so there was other systems running as well. What I don't get is that the board is reciving power, and if you jumper the remote line, it boots. (yes I tried power again) |
| 21:35.09 | tyler_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:35.20 | beardy | pipeline: It isn't fast. |
| 21:35.20 | _keroppi_ | tyler_: epiphany aims to be that |
| 21:35.27 | stew | w3m-img! |
| 21:35.35 | pipeline | beardy: Lies :P |
| 21:35.44 | beardy | pipeline: Likewise. |
| 21:35.46 | Ungy | I like Galeon |
| 21:35.48 | pipeline | tyler_: Opera, probably. |
| 21:35.53 | kspath | Dillo |
| 21:35.56 | Jeeves_Moss | cahoot: I even tried a slower CPU (the one I had to use to flash the BIOS to accept the 2Ghz chip), AND I swapped out the RAM for knowen working ram_ |
| 21:35.57 | kspath | lynx links2 |
| 21:36.00 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Epiphany still uses gecko. Gecko is the antithesis of "light' |
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| 21:36.06 | pipeline | kspath: Dillo has no bells or whistles :P |
| 21:36.12 | cahoot | Jeeves_Moss: just had to ask |
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| 21:36.28 | beardy | Bells and whistles means bloat, you can't have it both ways. |
| 21:36.32 | kspath | pipeline: dillo just works |
| 21:36.41 | Ungy | Jeeves_Moss, maybe your board just gave out it happens it happens most often on startup |
| 21:36.42 | BirloBribon | Hello |
| 21:36.46 | Jeeves_Moss | cahoot: any other ideas? I REALY need this server. We're CSing tonight. |
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| 21:37.47 | cahoot | Jeeves_Moss: stick to Ungy |
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| 21:37.48 | pipeline | beardy: That's not true. |
| 21:37.48 | pipeline | beardy: Opera and Konqueror are by no means "bloated" |
| 21:37.48 | Ungy | kspath what do you think of galeon? |
| 21:37.48 | Jeeves_Moss | Ungy: what I don't get is that the board worked fine up till me having to pull the plug. I wonder if I should just jumper it and use the switch on the back to turn it off. |
| 21:37.48 | pipeline | beardy: Their rendering engines have a huge number of bells and whistles. |
| 21:37.49 | Jeeves_Moss | cahoot: ?? |
| 21:37.50 | Ungy | pipeline, I disagree I feel they are both bloat ware |
| 21:37.50 | beardy | pipeline: I wouldn't call them "lightweight". |
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| 21:38.10 | kspath | ungy: I try not to. Just kidding. It works ok I guess. I just go for really light or full-on Firefox with java and javascript when I must. |
| 21:38.11 | zealop | Jeeves_Moss: switch the power supply's button to off for 20mins or so and then switch back. im suggesting that the fuse broke. and there's fuses which regenerate.. my english is bad.. but im just guessing |
| 21:38.13 | gau | is there an unofficial resp for mencoder ? |
| 21:38.16 | beardy | I didn't say bloatware. |
| 21:38.18 | pipeline | beardy, Ungy: Opera runs on *cellphones* at a tolerable speed. Systems with less than a meg of RAM. Firefox can't even load a blank page in 16M. |
| 21:38.22 | gau | and does mencoder require mplayer ? |
| 21:38.26 | pipeline | gau: Yes. |
| 21:38.32 | pipeline | gau: to both. Ask dpkg about it. |
| 21:38.44 | beardy | pipeline: Do you really think it's the same binary, or even the same codebase? |
| 21:38.51 | pipeline | beardy: It's certainly the same codebase. |
| 21:38.54 | Ungy | Jeeves_Moss, did you check the power switch wires maybe when you moved it or bumped it they crossed |
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| 21:38.58 | pipeline | beardy: It's the same GUI toolkit, even. |
| 21:38.59 | gau | !dpkg mencoder |
| 21:39.09 | _keroppi_ | I'm gonna try Opera again, since Mozilla sucks ass and Firefox doesn't look like it's going to work without a reintsall |
| 21:39.16 | pipeline | beardy: No, of course it's not the same binary, however. |
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| 21:39.29 | zealop | _keroppi_: opera rules.. and v9 is coming |
| 21:39.30 | eeyore- | pipeline: you think cellphones have less than a meg of ram? |
| 21:39.31 | Lorvija | hey, i got about thousand dirs which all have one dir inside them which contains some video files, now i need to take these files one level up in the directory.. how's this possible? any easy way? |
| 21:39.32 | Jeeves_Moss | zelop: I'm an electronics tech by trade. I've had it unplugged since then hoping that the caps would discharge, but so far no good. I think the circuit path on the board is foo'ed |
| 21:39.32 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Warning: The unix version of opera is ugly as sin. Fast as fuckall, and supports a large number of web standards, but good lord is it ugly. |
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| 21:39.47 | eeyore- | pipeline: next you'll be telling me cellphones don't have powerful CPU's |
| 21:39.48 | pipeline | eeyore-: A large number do, after you consider the very high overhead of storing other things in memory. |
| 21:40.01 | zealop | unix-operan is kinda buggy too :( |
| 21:40.02 | pipeline | eeyore-: Cellphones have ridiculously powerful CPUs and very, very little RAM. Unless you have a crazy "smartphone" thing. |
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| 21:40.36 | beardy | pipeline: Every cellphone that you can run a browser on is a "smartphone". |
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| 21:40.42 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: so what your saying is my GPRS Ipaq isn't a good idea? LOL |
| 21:40.50 | zealop | beardy: wrong |
| 21:40.55 | pipeline | beardy, eeyore-: The fact of the matter is that most people don't have $700 smartphones that run linux or windows. They have rather humble Symbian systems or things barely capable of J2ME. |
| 21:41.03 | Ungy | Jeeves_Moss, that is very possible |
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| 21:41.17 | beardy | pipeline: And they can run Opera? |
| 21:41.20 | pipeline | beardy: My phone from the mid nineties that doesn't even have a pixel display has a browser. Stuff it. |
| 21:41.22 | pipeline | beardy: Yes. |
| 21:41.25 | zealop | beardy: you can run opera on every javaphone |
| 21:41.28 | pipeline | beardy: Opera is the only browser on a lot of Nokias. |
| 21:41.28 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: it's probably just a short somewhere on your board |
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| 21:41.39 | beardy | pipeline: When they barely have J2ME? |
| 21:41.44 | zealop | beardy: Opera Mini |
| 21:41.59 | pipeline | beardy: Opera usually runs as a native Symbian app provided by the phone vendor. J2ME is for user stuff. |
| 21:42.09 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: I wonder how it got there. I guess I'll rip the board out of the case and look. |
| 21:42.11 | _keroppi_ | Wow, Opera is way faster |
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| 21:42.16 | pipeline | beardy: J2ME is where you really feel the memory<->CPU tradeoffs :P |
| 21:42.19 | Ungy | man screw this talk I will just use lynx |
| 21:42.22 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: well you know, boards could have gotten loose |
| 21:42.23 | _keroppi_ | I remember using older versions of firefox, they were faster than the more recent ones |
| 21:42.34 | pipeline | Ungy: No shame in it. I use lynx a lot, in an xterm, because I have no use for images :P |
| 21:42.48 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: usually things you plug/unplug a lot, like network/video cards ... maybe the video cable was wiggling around and popped the card loose |
| 21:42.52 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: strange, it sits on a rack. I'll rip it apart and look. |
| 21:42.53 | pipeline | _keroppi_: I think you'll find that regular Mozilla, as huge as it is, is still faster than Firefox :P |
| 21:42.56 | zealop | pipeline: you are just infromation surfer huh? |
| 21:43.05 | pipeline | zealop: I have poor vision. |
| 21:43.08 | tyler_ | wheres the most authoritative website for linux downloads???? |
| 21:43.09 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: rack is even worse :-) you pull the machine out all the time. cables get snagged. |
| 21:43.12 | beardy | pipeline: I don't have a $700 phone. I have one that "barely runs J2ME". |
| 21:43.13 | pipeline | tyler_: debian.org |
| 21:43.19 | pipeline | beardy: Congratulations. |
| 21:43.20 | Ungy | pipeline, I am a web devloper I use everythgin but a Safari cause I hate mac users and don;t give a shit if they see the sites properly or not ;-) |
| 21:43.22 | _keroppi_ | pipeline: Wasn't the idea of Firefox for it to be smaller and faster? |
| 21:43.29 | zealop | Ungy: :D |
| 21:43.32 | haqa | Jeeves_Moss: might be stupid: did you reset the bios? |
| 21:43.33 | Jeeves_Moss | all: does any one know if there is a channel for embedded hardware design? I've googled, but nothing. |
| 21:43.36 | Ungy | _keroppi_, yup |
| 21:43.36 | beardy | pipeline: heh.. |
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| 21:43.39 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Nobody knows what the idea of Firefox was. Including its developers. A number of people left mozilla.org over how stupid Firefox was :P |
| 21:44.00 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: this system sits on a rack in my kitchen and no one touches it. Everything is done remotly. |
| 21:44.01 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: Heh, comedy #classiccmp option :P |
| 21:44.08 | gau | dpkg |
| 21:44.12 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: and rack machines are usually known for dying sudden deaths, after being on constantly. things just break :-) |
| 21:44.12 | _keroppi_ | pipeline: The fonts for Opera have pixelitus, do you know how to fix that off-hand? |
| 21:44.16 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: rack in your /kitchen/? Man you're a weird fuck. |
| 21:44.19 | beardy | pipeline: It was meant to be a lighter, browser-only browser, which it was at first. |
| 21:44.20 | Jeeves_Moss | haqa: yep. second thing I tried (after reseeting and checking the power connectors) |
| 21:44.24 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Nope. I did tell you it was ugly as sin, didn't I? :P |
| 21:44.35 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: whats that cannel? |
| 21:44.39 | _keroppi_ | pipeline: Is it all supposed to be fixed with v9? |
| 21:44.40 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Try running windows opera through wine. It's really much nicer. |
| 21:44.42 | zealop | http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120763,pg,12,00.asp Firefox was elected to the Product of the Year 2005.. stupid |
| 21:44.47 | Ungy | pipeline, untrue I was told by two memebers of Mozilla Cooperation (they share office space with my colocation) that Firefox was roughly the gnome approach to Mozilla's KDE |
| 21:44.50 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: i'd look at the hardware. pull all expansion cards out, reseat them ... that sort of thing |
| 21:44.58 | beardy | pipeline: But then it was called Firebird though.. |
| 21:45.00 | haqa | Jeeves_Moss: just had to ask - the i guess it's deadddd .( |
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| 21:45.02 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: A channel about a mailing list devoted to antique computers. Lots of people i`n there do embedded stuff for fun :P |
| 21:45.04 | _keroppi_ | pipeline: eh, I'd rather have ugly than go through all that shit. =) |
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| 21:45.29 | pipeline | Ungy: Well, gnome's not reknowned for a sane approach. we are talking about the desktop with no document embedding and no applications :P |
| 21:45.37 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: thanks. I'm looking to design stuff with a strongarm base. |
| 21:45.40 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Wine isn't a pain in the ass any more. You just install the package, run winecfg, and off you go. |
| 21:46.10 | Jeeves_Moss | wwyore-: I just find it strange that its run almost non stop for 4 months with no problems. |
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| 21:46.13 | coolpix | nuet |
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| 21:46.57 | _keroppi_ | pipeline: Can I run the windows installer with wine? |
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| 21:47.22 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: you know, we've had computers die like that all the time. hard drives go. they spin for a long time, but once you power them down they won't spin up again. very common. sometimes power supplies give out. |
| 21:47.36 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: if you are surprised by that, you haven't been around enough long-running machines :-) |
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| 21:47.52 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: we're talking machines that stay up for a year or two |
| 21:48.01 | allix | hello any amd64 users here? |
| 21:48.02 | magyar | when i playback avi's in noatun, i have sound but i have no sound with totem. Can anyone help? |
| 21:48.07 | pipeline | _keroppi_: Yeah. It should just work fine. |
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| 21:48.26 | pipeline | _keroppi_: If you run into any problems, just use "sidenet config", a shell script that downloads a bunch of dlls and shit to automatically set things up :P |
| 21:48.30 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: I'm used to my prolient systems. Something dies, you just pull it out while the system is running, and pop something else in. |
| 21:48.42 | pipeline | _keroppi_: That said, modern wine is good enough that just about anything should work without downloading any windows dlls. |
| 21:48.42 | haqa | Jeeves_Moss: ... never touch a _running_ system... |
| 21:48.52 | pipeline | _keroppi_: There's no configuration file any more, for instance :P |
| 21:48.57 | eeyore- | haqa: on the contrary, some systems have hot plug everything |
| 21:49.12 | eeyore- | haqa: don't think 'desktops', thing 'high availability' servers |
| 21:49.14 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: I've admined systems that have run for years, I've just never had something as stupid as this. I could see a HDD crashing, a NIC cooking, etc, but not the damn power button not working. LOL |
| 21:49.31 | haqa | eeyore- : just kidding.. |
| 21:49.32 | _keroppi_ | pipeline: Holy fuck, that is nice. I stopped using wine for a long time because I simply couldn't be bothered to go to all the effort of using Windows software. =) |
| 21:49.52 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: the power-button is really a momentary contact. there has to be stand-by power to the board. 5 volts, i think. |
| 21:50.03 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: is your power supply providing standby power? |
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| 21:50.21 | Jeeves_Moss | haqa: My prolient DL380 has almost everything hot plugable. I don't think I can pull a CPU while its running though. I can plug PCI cards and pull RAM if I need to. |
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| 21:50.49 | rutski89 | Where can I get a list of packages in the main/non-us and non-free/non-us sections? |
| 21:50.53 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: Actually, I think you can pull a CPU. |
| 21:51.00 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: It might kill the CPU, but the unit should keep running :P |
| 21:51.04 | Nihilanth | alright, i figured out why alsaconf wasnt working yesterday. The module/driver alsa says to use for my card doesnt exist on debian |
| 21:51.09 | stew | rutski89: for sarge? |
| 21:51.12 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: its a +5V standbye @ about 15mA. I know what it does, I just don't see how such a low power subsystem could just kick out like that. |
| 21:51.14 | Nihilanth | so..what do i do now? |
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| 21:51.30 | haqa | Jeeves_Moss: i was more thinking about the _running_ part - so never ever shut anything down :) |
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| 21:51.47 | stew | rutski89: between these brackets -> [] (non-us doesn't exist anymore) |
| 21:51.47 | kspath | There are some machines with those lame, hold the button in for N seconds for reset/sleep and N+seconds for power-off or whatever those still piss me off |
| 21:51.48 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: if your supply runs hot, or maybe the fan gave out ... |
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| 21:52.04 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline, I think if you pull the PSU for the CPU you can get away with it. I think theres a little DIP switch on the board that kicks the CPU into standbye. I haven't realy had to look. Shes been a good server. Kinda ugly though. |
| 21:52.06 | rutski89 | stew, hehe, i see; ty |
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| 21:52.23 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: Put it in the basement instead of the ktichen and you won't care if it's ugly. |
| 21:52.37 | rutski89 | which desktop env do you guys use on debian? |
| 21:52.48 | eeyore- | kspath: you can change the bios so that when you press the power button it's instant-off |
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| 21:52.50 | pipeline | rutski89: Most people use KDE, Gnome, or something with no features. |
| 21:53.05 | pipeline | rutski89: You probably won't like the last option very much. Try gnome-desktop-environment or kde-core. |
| 21:53.05 | zealop | pipeline: what do you suggest then? |
| 21:53.12 | kspath | eeyore- no decent machines perhaps ;-) |
| 21:53.22 | BirloBribon | Hello, anyone using ipw2200 (centrino) with ifplugd on debian etch ?? |
| 21:53.23 | zealop | pipeline: oh i misunderstood |
| 21:53.29 | kspath | eeyore: perhaps on decent machines |
| 21:53.31 | pipeline | zealop: eh? |
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| 21:53.36 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline: I live in an apartment. I don't care if the rack is in the kitchen. It was orignaly in the livingroom, but the fiance made me move it. Now the guys come over to CS and have to walk past it on their way to the fridge for beer. |
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| 21:53.59 | kspath | CS? |
| 21:54.01 | rudenstam | I got a minor problem.. the debian install cd can not identify my cdrom.. I'm using the netinstall.. are there more drivers on the full cd ? |
| 21:54.04 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: you know ... it could be one of those buddies of yours dropped some beer in it ;-) |
| 21:54.06 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: I hope your kitchen doesn't get too steamy :) |
| 21:54.07 | rutski89 | pipeline, ty |
| 21:54.11 | eeyore- | Jeeves_Moss: "i hope he didn't see that" |
| 21:54.29 | gilles | how to compare the speed of a centrino 1.7 Ghz and a more classical 3 Ghz laptop ? |
| 21:54.39 | eeyore- | bottom line ... kitchen + computer = not good bedfellows |
| 21:54.42 | pipeline | rudenstam: I'm not sure. The debian netinstall disc includes tons of network drivers; is there some reason you would need to install off the CD and not the network? |
| 21:54.52 | pipeline | Jeeves_Moss: Your rack systems will smell like grease forever :P |
| 21:54.58 | kspath | I am going to guess CS is another lame game? |
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| 21:55.01 | pipeline | eeyore-: I spill beer in my computer all the time. No harm, no foul. |
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| 21:55.07 | eeyore- | kitchen + computer + buddies + beer = not good |
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| 21:55.17 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: if they did, they'd deal with me, and most of them are scared of me. |
| 21:55.17 | cr3 | how can I determine to which program a certain file belongs to? |
| 21:55.17 | rutski89 | what's the difference between "suggested" and "recomened" packages? |
| 21:55.23 | pipeline | gilles: The centrino is probably significantly faster :p |
| 21:55.25 | rudenstam | pipeline: not me isntalling really.. but I should be able to just ignore that error msg and continue ? |
| 21:55.36 | gilles | pipeline: really? |
| 21:55.37 | Jeeves_Moss | duble_c: naa, I know how to cook. 1-800-Dominos |
| 21:55.37 | rudenstam | pipeline: or should I create some custom boot thingy ? |
| 21:55.43 | pipeline | rutski89: I think the latter is a stronger suggestion than the latter. It's possible to set debian to regard suggested and recommended packages as dependencies. |
| 21:55.54 | pipeline | rudenstam: Yeah, you can ignore it and continue, and just install everything from the network. |
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| 21:56.04 | pipeline | gilles: Yeah, really. |
| 21:56.07 | eeyore- | gilles: the centrino (Pentium M) has larger cache |
| 21:56.23 | eeyore- | gilles: it (p-m) will likely beat the pants off a p-4 system |
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| 21:56.28 | rutski89 | pipeline, you said "the _latter_ is stronger than the _latter_", which latter do i replace with a former? |
| 21:56.29 | pipeline | gilles: The P4 has an extremely long pipeline. So it has three times as many clock cycles, but gets 1/3rd as much done in a single clock cycle. :P |
| 21:56.35 | rudenstam | pipeline: but I get this error before the network is set up I belive |
| 21:56.35 | \xe6var | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed <= I always get this after I run some apt-get command |
| 21:56.41 | pipeline | rutski89: latter stronger former |
| 21:56.45 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: I just got married, no need for dominos. (she'd better not see this though ;) |
| 21:56.50 | pipeline | rudenstam: That's OK. It'll keep going, I think. |
| 21:56.52 | rudenstam | pipeline: right in the beginning when it's looking for hardware |
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| 21:56.53 | rutski89 | Piggy, hehe, ty |
| 21:57.01 | rutski89 | **pipeline |
| 21:57.01 | pipeline | rudenstam: Or does it want to load network drivers off the CD? That could be an issue. |
| 21:57.03 | eeyore- | gilles: clock speed doesn't matter much. intel could have designed a system with 10GHz for example ... |
| 21:57.09 | TonyRad | Hello |
| 21:57.11 | Jeeves_Moss | eeyore-: naa, my buddies are all good about the rack. If I have parties here, @ least one of them gaurds the rack so no dumb asses (or hott chicks) can frick with stuff. They know the rack is a "no fluid zone" |
| 21:57.14 | rutski89 | pipeline, how do I make debian regard suggestions and recomendations? |
| 21:57.22 | pipeline | rutski89: don't remember. :| |
| 21:57.32 | eeyore- | gilles: so basically the p-4 move its legs faster, but its legs are shorter than, say p-m. so eventhough the p-m move its legs slower, it's got longer strides |
| 21:57.52 | TonyRad | I was wondering if I could get some help for how to set a task to run at a specific time/date? A web site or better idea of what to google would even help. |
| 21:57.52 | rutski89 | pipeline, ok; i'll look it up some time, ty |
| 21:57.53 | kspath | cr3: man file |
| 21:57.54 | gilles | eeyore-, pipeline: okay, I begin to understand... is there a wiki or a doc somewhere about all that ? |
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| 21:57.58 | dr1v3r | guys i setup a firewall and its started but i was wondering how to stop it? |
| 21:58.07 | kspath | cr3: where file is the command file |
| 21:58.15 | Jeeves_Moss | duble_c: yea, mine can cook, but she dosen't live with my yet (shes still in school), so I'm still living the college batch life for a few more years. LOL |
| 21:58.21 | pipeline | gilles: Why would there have to be? Look at the SPEC benchmarks :P |
| 21:58.29 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: enjoy it while it lasts :) |
| 21:58.40 | Jeeves_Moss | TonyRad: its called a CRON job bud. |
| 21:58.41 | eeyore- | gilles: tomshardware.com, anandtech.com, etc. |
| 21:58.42 | gilles | eeyore-: what does p-m means ? pentium-? |
| 21:58.47 | eeyore- | gilles: pentium-m |
| 21:58.55 | Jeeves_Moss | TonyRad: get a pen ready, the date/time formats are fun.. LOL |
| 21:59.16 | gilles | pipeline: SPEC benchmarks ? How to look at that ? |
| 21:59.30 | TonyRad | Alright |
| 21:59.45 | kspath | TonyRad: man at the at command is ok for running things one time but cron is most common and quite useful |
| 21:59.47 | Jeeves_Moss | all: any one have a hammer? I think this P4 box is going to be the reciver of my pent up rage tonight. |
| 22:00.30 | kspath | TonyRad: man crontab and man cron |
| 22:01.09 | tyranix | man 5 crontab to be exact. :) crontab(1) isn't going to do you much good. |
| 22:01.20 | Jeeves_Moss | pipeline, duble_c, eeyore-: send me your addy, or join a seprate channel and I'll get your e-mails to send you a copy of my rack and my fiance. |
| 22:01.52 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: already got a woman, and she'd kill me if I brought a rack into the house |
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| 22:01.56 | rudenstam | pipeline: I can start a shell it seems.. what would I do from there (not me that is installing) |
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| 22:02.25 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: or did you mean a pic? I thought you were joking |
| 22:02.39 | Jeeves_Moss | duble_c: gotta put your foot down man. I did, and I'm still allowed to live the batch live. |
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| 22:03.04 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: she's all right really. moans about the power bill a bit, that's all |
| 22:03.17 | Jeeves_Moss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.31 | monteiro | how i upload directorys with "ftp" in console ? |
| 22:03.45 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss: thanks for the offer, but I get enough binaries sent by my mates as it is :) |
| 22:03.46 | Kurga | I get the following message when I try to do an apt-get install dist-upgrade |
| 22:03.55 | Kurga | sorry forgot the message |
| 22:04.05 | cisse | they're exclusive options |
| 22:04.07 | double_c | never seen that message before :) |
| 22:04.12 | cisse | either do one or the other |
| 22:04.12 | Kurga | Preparing to replace udev 0.056-3 (using .../archives/udev_0.081-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:04.20 | Jeeves_Moss | duble_c: you need to make her moan about something OTHER than the power bill. LOL |
| 22:04.23 | Kurga | fuck I-m new |
| 22:04.25 | double_c | hehe |
| 22:05.05 | Jeeves_Moss | Kurga: don't feel bad, we've ALL been there. |
| 22:05.11 | Kurga | thanks |
| 22:05.14 | skrewz | monteiro: You'll need gftp-text, AFAIK |
| 22:05.24 | monteiro | skrewz : ok, tks |
| 22:05.56 | Jeeves_Moss | Kurga: a good example is the fact that I'm an electronic repair guy by trade, and I'm asking dumb questions on here because I can't figure it out. |
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| 22:06.07 | cisse | man pages help |
| 22:06.38 | dr1v3r | guys do you fluck firewall rules using iptables -F and iptables -X |
| 22:06.39 | dr1v3r | ? |
| 22:06.45 | TonyRad | I'm just plain Dumb.... |
| 22:06.46 | Jeeves_Moss | cisse: WOman pages help more. |
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| 22:06.58 | TonyRad | man woman |
| 22:06.59 | TonyRad | :) |
| 22:07.04 | Kurga | but how do I paste more than one line? The message is 8 lines |
| 22:07.16 | tyranix | Emacs has M-x woman |
| 22:07.21 | double_c | Kurga: use the channel #flood |
| 22:07.23 | tyranix | Kurga: pastebin |
| 22:07.26 | Jeeves_Moss | highlight them, then right click, copy, then paste into here. |
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| 22:07.47 | Kurga | I have tried bu only one line works |
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| 22:08.02 | double_c | Jeeves_Moss, Kurga: don't paste more than 4 lines, the bot will kick you out |
| 22:08.19 | tyranix | Kurga: http://pastebin.ca |
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| 22:08.36 | dr1v3r | guys how do i stop a firewall? |
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| 22:08.48 | double_c | dr1v3r: is it yours to stop? |
| 22:08.48 | BeBrA | hello! i have a problem while running apt-get upgrade (Dynamic MMap ran out of room) here's the full log:http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wk0svx54.html |
| 22:08.52 | Jeeves_Moss | all: ok guys. its been fun, but I've got to get some laundry done. The guys will be here to play Counter Strike (and bring me beer) in about 40 mins. |
| 22:09.02 | halibut | I have a harddrive and when I right click on the files on the drive and select properties it says 20GB, but when I look at the drive in GParted it says 30GB is used?! THere are no hidden files, why is this? |
| 22:09.04 | dr1v3r | yes its mine to stop |
| 22:09.13 | infoB | i have LAN with linux and windows... how can i configure/know IP adress in linux so i can "tell" it to the windows? |
| 22:09.20 | Kurga | http://pastebin.ca/38722 |
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| 22:09.25 | dr1v3r | i have locked myself out tryon to add extra ports, and i am connecting to it via the KVM switch |
| 22:09.30 | cr3 | kspath: sorry, I meant: how can i determine what package a fiel belongs to. |
| 22:09.40 | Jeeves_Moss | dr1v3r: we have to check those kind of things. LOL |
| 22:09.46 | double_c | dr1v3r: iptables -F <tablename> will flush all the rules, but the default policy will remain active |
| 22:09.47 | dr1v3r | yea i understand lol |
| 22:10.05 | dr1v3r | iptables -F just hangs when i run it :( |
| 22:10.08 | haqa | BeBra: just set the cache-limit in /etc/apt/apt.conf higher! |
| 22:10.50 | double_c | dr1v3r: just "iptables -F " , 'm not entirely sure, but you might have to specify which table. eg iptables -F INPUT |
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| 22:11.02 | BirloBribon | Hi, does anyone use "ifplugd" ? |
| 22:11.14 | tyranix | dr1v3r: http://pastebin.ca/38724 |
| 22:11.24 | dr1v3r | i dont know which table, i have no idea about iptables, someone helped me set it up using quicktables |
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| 22:11.48 | BeBrA | haqa: hmm I haven't /etc/apt/apt.conf ... |
| 22:12.14 | dr1v3r | i am totaly thick when it comes to iptables and i mean thick |
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| 22:12.27 | BucWheat | gees. i'm having network probs with my debian box i can't apt-get anything all of the mirrors can't be resolved |
| 22:12.29 | skrewz | dr1v3r: You ought to `man iptables`, then. |
| 22:12.32 | Kurga | Ok I'll try to write it all together, when I run apt-get install dist-upgrade I get this error http://pastebin.ca/38722 |
| 22:12.43 | BucWheat | my windows boxes work fine its just the debian boxes |
| 22:12.48 | BucWheat | what is the file for dns servers? |
| 22:12.48 | dr1v3r | i have man iptables and went through tuts on goodle etc |
| 22:12.48 | makubekss | where can i find the package nvidia-kernel-common ? |
| 22:12.54 | haqa | BeBrA: you don't? then may be dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 22:12.59 | dr1v3r | but i cant get the grasp of things when reading them |
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| 22:13.17 | double_c | dr1v3r: the iptables author has made some really good documentation. look here: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html |
| 22:13.20 | dr1v3r | *google |
| 22:13.51 | dr1v3r | double_c it doesnt matter how good the tuts are, i am just that type of person that does not take well to load and loads of lines of text |
| 22:13.58 | Nihilanth | hi, i've got sound modules compiled but i can't seem to load snd-emu10k1 even though its in /lib/modules/2.6.8-debianlogo/build/sound/ |
| 22:14.03 | Nihilanth | any idea as to why? |
| 22:14.17 | cisse | BucWheat: you might want to check out /etc/hosts |
| 22:14.19 | tyranix | dr1v3r: or apparently one line of text. I posted a pastebin for you... :) |
| 22:14.19 | double_c | dr1v3r: that link really makes it simple. I think you're gonna have to do some reading, but he is a very good teacher |
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| 22:14.40 | haqa | BeBrA: apt.conf only needs one line for this: APT::Cache-Limit 20000000; |
| 22:14.49 | dr1v3r | the page wouldnt load up for me tyranix |
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| 22:15.07 | dr1v3r | ahh got ti now |
| 22:15.09 | dr1v3r | *it |
| 22:15.31 | BucWheat | cisse i have the 127.0.0.1 localhost.local localhost in there as well as a line that reads localhost buc.localhost buc |
| 22:15.59 | BucWheat | errr... add buc after the localhost for 127.0.0.1 and change buc.localhost to buc.local |
| 22:16.02 | tyranix | dr1v3r: I had to reformat it a little (that last backslash shouldn't have a newline after it). Other than a little editing, that is what is in my /etc/init.d/iptables for stop (along with rmmod for the modules). |
| 22:16.03 | dr1v3r | iptables -F just hangs, it wont run it just sits there |
| 22:16.07 | BeBrA | thank you haqa. it is ok now |
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| 22:17.32 | tyranix | dr1v3r: What does 'iptables --list -v' display? Still has rules? |
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| 22:18.02 | Nihilanth | anyone? |
| 22:18.11 | dr1v3r | at the moment no idea, i am locked out of my system as i access it via SSh :( |
| 22:18.21 | pipeline | dr1v3r: That was a big oops. |
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| 22:18.45 | BucWheat | cisse any other ideas? |
| 22:18.57 | dr1v3r | it was, i tried to add some ports that i forgot to add earlier using a tut and it not wont let me do anything |
| 22:19.24 | dr1v3r | i have got a tech at the hosting company looking at it now, i am suprise he aint started charging me for it yet :( |
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| 22:19.52 | rutski89 | what's the best way to get quicktime moves to play in firefox? |
| 22:20.34 | pipeline | rutski89: win32 codecs + mplayer-plugin |
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| 22:20.53 | rutski89 | pipeline, i thought debian wasn't allowed to distribute mplayer |
| 22:21.01 | ming | i try to upgrade to unstable, but after modified "stable" from source.conf to "unstable"m run apt-get update return me some GPG error, is this my system's problem? |
| 22:21.03 | pipeline | rutski89: Ask dpkg about it. |
| 22:21.12 | pipeline | ming: read the /topic |
| 22:21.37 | rutski89 | what's the best way to remove a package? |
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| 22:22.21 | dr1v3r | rutski89 apt-get remove package |
| 22:25.19 | rutski89 | I did "apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc", which pulled in a lot of deps, can i delete the deps too? |
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| 22:25.34 | jsmidt | is anyone here familiar with mpi programming? |
| 22:25.50 | apoc | Witch Daemon I need to setup a Socks Proxy ? |
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| 22:26.47 | pipeline | rutski89: use orphaner to handle dangling dependencies |
| 22:26.52 | Kurga | No matter what package I try to get from apt-get I recive this message, "The following packages have unmet dependencies: hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.056-3 is to be installed udev: Depends: hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17)" what to do? |
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| 22:27.11 | E-bola | anybody running debian with spamassasin? |
| 22:27.15 | E-bola | doesnt it use any RBL's out of the box? |
| 22:27.25 | BucWheat | what package is available to me on debian to configure my network interface? i currently have it setup as a static ip address |
| 22:27.41 | bmsleight | dhclient |
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| 22:27.44 | stew | Kurga: don't install non-stable versions of packages on your stable install |
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| 22:28.15 | stew | Kurga: try apt-get install hal=0.4.7-3sarge1 |
| 22:28.22 | dr1v3r | BucWheat is your IP static or dynamic? |
| 22:28.26 | stew | Kurga: which should attempt to revert hal to stable's version |
| 22:28.37 | BucWheat | dr1v3r static |
| 22:28.53 | dr1v3r | ok how is it set at the moment? ifconfig |
| 22:29.12 | BucWheat | dr1v3r where can i paste? |
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| 22:29.16 | Kurga | stew: " Version '0.4.7-3sarge1' for 'hal' was not found" |
| 22:29.21 | dr1v3r | pastbin.com |
| 22:29.25 | dr1v3r | opps |
| 22:29.30 | dr1v3r | pastebin.com |
| 22:29.36 | jsmidt | does anybody know which package contains mpi.h? |
| 22:29.43 | stew | Kurga: can you paste your sources.list to a pastebin? |
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| 22:30.00 | BucWheat | dr1v3r i've really messed it up now. it was set at static and i typed: dhclient and it pulled a dynamic ip. how do i revert back to my static settings? |
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| 22:30.06 | Kurga | stew: just a moment |
| 22:30.06 | dr1v3r | then past the url in here BucWheat |
| 22:30.44 | matehort1a | i want to make a program thats sets an ALARM when the time of response given by the ping commmand is more than som number |
| 22:30.51 | dr1v3r | BucWheat apt-get remove package |
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| 22:31.01 | Supaplex | BucWheat: if the static ip is from interfaces(5) you could restart networking ( /etc/init.d/network restart ) caveat emptor (esp if you're not local to it) |
| 22:31.17 | matehort1a | how cani see the variables of that command so i can work with them??? |
| 22:31.18 | dr1v3r | guys whats appletalk? |
| 22:31.19 | BucWheat | Supaplex yea i just did that |
| 22:31.24 | Kurga | stew: http://pastebin.ca/38726 |
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| 22:31.41 | Supaplex | BucWheat: be sure the dhcp client isn't running as well :) |
| 22:31.46 | tyranix | jsmidt: apt-file search mpi.h |
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| 22:32.07 | beardy | dr1v3r: You don't need it. |
| 22:32.14 | dr1v3r | woohooo i have access to my box again :D |
| 22:32.39 | Supaplex | dr1v3r: where's our access man? ;) hehe jk |
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| 22:33.00 | stew | Kurga: you have testing sources but the pacakges on your machine are from stable, did you recently try to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 22:33.05 | BucWheat | dr1v3r http://pastebin.ca/38727 |
| 22:33.18 | matehort1a | http://pastebin.ca/38727 |
| 22:33.20 | dr1v3r | beardy what is it though? its been found on my system and i didnt put ti there l;ol |
| 22:33.21 | Kurga | no is a long time ago |
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| 22:33.34 | beardy | dr1v3r: Tried google today? |
| 22:34.06 | Kurga | I have allways been running testing |
| 22:34.09 | stew | Kurga: which do you wish to be running testing or stable? |
| 22:34.24 | Kurga | testing |
| 22:34.33 | beardy | dr1v3r: It's a protocol, or a set of protocols. |
| 22:34.34 | stew | Kurga: what version does "dpkg -l e2fsprogs" return? |
| 22:34.48 | dr1v3r | beardy no coz i thought i would ask you as u are Mr Google :D |
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| 22:35.15 | Kurga | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.20 | BucWheat | Supaplex let me make sure |
| 22:35.40 | stew | Kurga: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:35.40 | dr1v3r | beardy so that could be the reason why iptables _f just hangs? |
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| 22:36.01 | beardy | dr1v3r: No, I'm not. |
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| 22:36.07 | poldi | ho war ju? |
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| 22:36.20 | Kurga | I have already tried that and get this message http://pastebin.ca/38722 |
| 22:36.28 | beardy | !hu |
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| 22:36.29 | dpkg | [hu] Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 22:36.53 | BucWheat | Supaplex i do not see any dhcp services running i just did ps aux |
| 22:36.58 | dr1v3r | my interface file does not have a dummy0 in it, just eth0 and the lo |
| 22:36.58 | bonez39 | I ran 'apt-get upgrade -&' on my remote system.., logged in with ssh..and it died...process stopped....how do I clear it and restart, sans '-&'? |
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| 22:37.06 | stew | Kurga: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 22:37.33 | BucWheat | dr1v3r i do not know where the dummy0 came from |
| 22:37.39 | Kurga | No such file or directory |
| 22:37.58 | beardy | Kurga: In your irc client.. |
| 22:38.07 | rutski89 | what's debian's default runevel? |
| 22:38.17 | cisse | 2 |
| 22:38.35 | stew | Kurga: you need to download and install a 2.6 kernel from testing before you can upgrade udev |
| 22:38.56 | Kurga | ok I'll try that out |
| 22:39.12 | stew | Kurga: pacakges.debian.org is broken, but you can browse with http://debian.org/distrib/pacakges you specifically need 2.6.12, anything newer would do |
| 22:39.26 | dr1v3r | hmmmm, i have no idea, only thing i can think of it get rid ogf that dummy0 and then make sure eth0 is still there and set to the right IP |
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| 22:39.59 | dr1v3r | do ifconfig eth0 yourip where yourip is the ip you want to use |
| 22:40.03 | asurie | has anybody had problems with xserver-xorg? |
| 22:40.30 | amphi | asurie: works ok for me on sarge |
| 22:40.34 | cisse | asurie: when i upgraded to *.9 it broke dual monitor on my ati |
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| 22:41.20 | asurie | since upgrading i've seem to have broken xterm and xemacs |
| 22:41.40 | asurie | xemacs fails with "x_get_gc got a bogus fg value!" |
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| 22:43.15 | asurie | amphi: any ideas |
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| 22:43.39 | AlienX | I'm having a dependency issue with kdelibs-data one one of my boxes but my other two are just fine, is there a known fix for this? I'm running sid btw. |
| 22:43.57 | abrotman | AlienX: error messages are helpful |
| 22:44.27 | amphi | asurie: 'fraid not - you could try running under gdb and see if that tells you any more |
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| 22:45.16 | asurie | amphi: thanks ill try that |
| 22:45.24 | AlienX | abrotman, trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-djvu.desktop', which is also in package libdjvulibre1 |
| 22:45.25 | AlienX | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 22:45.48 | AlienX | abrotman, Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:45.48 | AlienX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.48 | AlienX | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:46.11 | abrotman | check the bts .. |
| 22:46.19 | E-bola | How do i override spamassassin settings? |
| 22:46.21 | abrotman | or uninstall libdjvulibre1 |
| 22:46.24 | bonez39 | I ran 'apt-get upgrade -&' on my remote system.., logged in with ssh..and it died...process stopped....how do I clear it and restart, sans '-&'? |
| 22:46.30 | E-bola | i mean if i start just settings variables in /etc/spamassasin |
| 22:46.36 | E-bola | there are duplicate values for stuff? |
| 22:46.50 | AlienX | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:47.05 | abrotman | AlienX: there are other methods .. but probably one of those will work |
| 22:47.19 | AlienX | abrotman, can't uninstall libdjvulibre1, removes almost all of my kde apps |
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| 22:48.03 | Kurga | stew: that link dosen't work |
| 22:48.16 | abrotman | AlienX: do you actually use KDE ? |
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| 22:48.26 | tyranix | asurie: Or in the meantime, run 'xemacs -nw' since it looks like a font issue: http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/200501/msg00252.html |
| 22:48.40 | AlienX | abrotman, no actually. Just a few kde apps |
| 22:48.47 | abrotman | AlienX: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ ; dpkg -i --force-overwrite kdelibs-data |
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| 22:49.29 | Tortel | is it a good thing if I get "FATAL: Module snd_ not found. |
| 22:49.29 | Tortel | " when tring to start ALSA? |
| 22:49.36 | AlienX | abrotman, dpkg: error processing kdelibs-data (--install): |
| 22:49.36 | Tortel | sorry for dubble line |
| 22:49.36 | AlienX | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.36 | dr1v3r | man that url http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//packet-filtering-HOWTO.html is the same to me as every other thing i have read |
| 22:49.37 | abrotman | failure is never good |
| 22:49.38 | Mask | In /etc/network/interfaces, can I specify the ESSID I want to connect to for a wireless interface? |
| 22:49.47 | asurie | tyranix: xemacs -nw works ok |
| 22:49.51 | Daveman | abrotman, don't you mean to forcefully remove all of them? :) |
| 22:49.54 | abrotman | AlienX: it's the full package name |
| 22:50.05 | asurie | xterm gives me similar problems |
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| 22:50.09 | AlienX | abrotman, oh ok, thanks |
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| 22:50.45 | AlienX | abrotman, worked. I appreciate it |
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| 22:51.50 | abrotman | AlienX: have a nice day |
| 22:51.55 | nkuttler | Mask: yes |
| 22:51.55 | AlienX | abrotman, likewise |
| 22:51.57 | Tortel | ok abrotman, any ideas on what could cause the fatal error? |
| 22:52.02 | Tortel | FATAL: Module snd_ not found. |
| 22:52.10 | Tortel | cause I have no sound |
| 22:52.10 | Tortel | :( |
| 22:52.12 | abrotman | Tortel: more cowbell! |
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| 22:52.20 | AlienX | Tortel, you run alsaconf? |
| 22:52.21 | Tortel | lol |
| 22:52.28 | Tortel | yeah, thats when I get that error |
| 22:52.31 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 22:52.31 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 22:52.43 | AlienX | heh |
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| 22:53.17 | asurie | tyranix: im running the latest version of xemacs, so im not sure how to fix this. http://channels.debian.net/paste/1649 is output from xterm |
| 22:53.22 | Mask | nkuttler, oh, it's just a regular setting like "address" and netmask"? Thanks |
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| 22:53.34 | rudenstam | how can I redetect what's connected on my hpt374 ? I changed the hwraid and I can't use it now as it doesn't understand that there's a new array |
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| 22:53.40 | abrotman | Tortel: did you chekc the bts ? |
| 22:53.50 | rudenstam | and I can't reboot cuz then it hangs on press f1 to continue (I havn't got physical access) |
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| 22:54.01 | Tortel | what the what? |
| 22:54.10 | Tortel | oh |
| 22:54.11 | nkuttler | Mask: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
| 22:54.24 | Tortel | not yet, but I am on 2.6.14, not 15 |
| 22:54.25 | Mask | Ok, thanks |
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| 22:55.42 | Nigromante | hi, anyone using ifplugd ? |
| 22:56.01 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use ifplugd |
| 22:56.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses ifplugd, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:56.39 | Nigromante | i need help with ifplugd & ipw2200 |
| 22:56.52 | SerajewelKS | !ask |
| 22:56.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:56.54 | tyranix | asurie: hmm anything useful in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| 22:58.49 | Ungy | tyranix, useful to you or him ;-) |
| 22:58.58 | asurie | tyranix: nothing obvious that i can tell, here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/1650 |
| 22:59.02 | tyranix | Ungy: I'd settle for either. :) |
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| 23:00.05 | rudenstam | can I force rmmod even if the device is busy ? |
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| 23:00.19 | Supaplex | yea, reboot |
| 23:00.25 | Ungy | hahaha |
| 23:00.34 | Nigromante | I need someone successfully using ifplugd with ipw2200 card on debian etch, in order to discuss configuration. I have problem configuring it (may be a bug). Thanks. |
| 23:00.38 | rudenstam | I know for a fact that it will hang in reboot and I don't have physical acces |
| 23:01.05 | Supaplex | sounds complicated :) |
| 23:01.41 | Ungy | rudenstam, sounds like I shoudl go home your gonna make my head expode |
| 23:02.00 | rudenstam | Supaplex: it kinda is |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 23:02.11 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:02.26 | rudenstam | but what does it do when you reboot it ? no way to simulate a reboot as far as it releases the sda ? |
| 23:02.36 | amphi | rudenstam: ISTR that forced removal of modules for busy devices is a kernel config option |
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| 23:04.07 | Supaplex | not suggested for remote boxes |
| 23:05.07 | Nigromante | I have ipw2200 successfully installed and running. The problem is "etch" version of ifplugd does not brings up ipw2200 interface (INTERFACES configuration). If set on HOTPLUG INTERFACES (/etc/default/ifplugd) then ipw2200 interface's link beats are correctly detected, but ifplugd scripts for hotplug never get called. |
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| 23:06.18 | rudenstam | anyway to reload a module then ? :) |
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| 23:07.04 | beardy | rudenstam: Don't someone have access to it, if F1 is the only thing that is needed? |
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| 23:07.21 | rudenstam | some key twice at bootup |
| 23:07.27 | rudenstam | and atm noone got access to it :) |
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| 23:08.23 | adii | how to untar a file ? |
| 23:08.29 | Ungy | rudenstam, is it underneath the ocean on a wandering nuclear sub you somehow have hacked into and will now attempt to destroy the infidels that live in the US |
| 23:08.30 | beardy | adii: man tar |
| 23:08.31 | tyranix | asurie: hmm looks like that could be caused by rgb.txt not being found. Are those the only colors not found? Besides now, when did you last upgrade? Do you have /etc/X11/rgb.txt? |
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| 23:08.41 | beardy | adii: tar xvf foo.tar |
| 23:08.43 | adii | beardy, actually i've already tried "tar -xv file.tar" |
| 23:08.45 | rudenstam | Ungy: how did you know ? |
| 23:08.56 | beardy | adii: You forgot the f |
| 23:08.58 | tyranix | adii: You need the -f flag. |
| 23:09.00 | rudenstam | missing the f :) |
| 23:09.02 | rudenstam | f for file |
| 23:09.04 | Ungy | rudenstam, cause that is what I am doing |
| 23:09.09 | adii | err |
| 23:09.14 | asurie | tyranix: let me check |
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| 23:09.22 | rudenstam | Ungy: you happen to know anyone on the sub that can reboot it ? :) |
| 23:09.53 | Ungy | rudenstam, no man I reversed the exhaust and killed all the bastards carbon monoxide poisening |
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| 23:10.12 | Ungy | otherwise they could stop me and I don't want that |
| 23:10.12 | rudenstam | then I'm doomed |
| 23:10.37 | orion_fr_24 | hi everybody I really really need help |
| 23:10.47 | Ungy | orion_fr_24, press f1? |
| 23:10.51 | orion_fr_24 | i m trying to setup a routing rule with ipfw |
| 23:10.54 | asurie | tyranix: i don't have /etc/X11/rgb.txt, i haven't really upgraded x recently but this started happening after i installed packages to enable xconfig for kernel compiles |
| 23:10.58 | orion_fr_24 | but cant understyand a damn thing |
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| 23:11.11 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: nice one !!! i like your style lol |
| 23:11.25 | Ungy | orion_fr_24, man ipfw |
| 23:11.40 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: i know i tried but cant understand anything |
| 23:12.03 | Ungy | orion_fr_24, what can you nto understand? |
| 23:12.10 | asurie | tyranix: actually xemacs reports several colors not being found |
| 23:12.15 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: btw i m french my english skills are too limited for reading this man page |
| 23:12.16 | tyranix | asurie: This is a bit old (Nov 2005) but it looks like the same problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00267.html |
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| 23:12.38 | Ungy | orion_fr_24, learn english it wil be much easier then ;-) |
| 23:12.54 | Ungy | !fr |
| 23:12.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:12.55 | tyranix | asurie: But if it's been working for this long, I wonder why it stopped now. What did you have to upgrade for xconfig? |
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| 23:13.02 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: that s not funny i speak english |
| 23:13.12 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: no good like you but i do |
| 23:13.17 | Ungy | orion_fr_24, so then explain to me what you do nto understand |
| 23:13.25 | beardy | orion_fr_24: It wasn't meant to be funny. |
| 23:13.38 | Ungy | I speak horrible english I type even worse |
| 23:13.51 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: anyway |
| 23:14.27 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: I d like to redirect port 21 from ip 10.0.0.1 to ip 192.168.0.2 |
| 23:14.46 | mith | will the amd64 kernel images work with intel's take on x64? |
| 23:14.52 | orion_fr_24 | 10.0.0.1 is my internet acces |
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| 23:14.56 | pipeline | mith: Yeah, but the whole amd64 port is pretty busted-ass. |
| 23:15.07 | harm1988 | Orion.. 10.0.0.1 isnt ur IP is it? |
| 23:15.09 | mith | pipeline: I'm talking just the kernel, not the rest of the system |
| 23:15.09 | orion_fr_24 | 192.168.0.2 is my ftp server |
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| 23:15.24 | orion_fr_24 | harm1988: yes it is |
| 23:15.25 | pipeline | mith: I figured I'd warn you, since you clearly intend to use /something/ 64 bit. |
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| 23:15.30 | asurie | tyranix: packages for qt |
| 23:15.32 | harm1988 | those are both internal IP adresses :S |
| 23:15.46 | orion_fr_24 | harm1988: I got two network interface |
| 23:15.48 | harm1988 | www.mijnip.nl and paste the IP from there |
| 23:15.52 | harm1988 | o ok .. |
| 23:15.55 | harm1988 | i was gonna say |
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| 23:16.17 | orion_fr_24 | harm1988: so llemme explain properly |
| 23:16.23 | orion_fr_24 | its my fault |
| 23:16.36 | harm1988 | np :) |
| 23:17.25 | orion_fr_24 | 82.56.xx.xx (public ip) -> 10.0.0.1 (wifi interface on machine 1) -> 192.168.2.2 (ethernet interface ftp server) |
| 23:17.31 | Alias-X | good evening all! |
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| 23:17.47 | Alias-X | I was wondering if anyone might know when MySQL 5 would be comming to Debian? |
| 23:18.03 | orion_fr_24 | harm1988: i v redirected port 21 from my connection to my 10.0.0.1 box |
| 23:18.18 | harm1988 | and now u want to re-re direct it to 192? |
| 23:18.20 | orion_fr_24 | but now I need to redirect 10.0.0.1:21 to 192.168.2.2 |
| 23:18.22 | tyranix | asurie: hmm I'm using testing. Anyone using sid with the latest qt packages? |
| 23:18.22 | orion_fr_24 | yep |
| 23:18.30 | orion_fr_24 | harm1988: you got it |
| 23:18.40 | harm1988 | wow.. |
| 23:18.42 | Ungy | orion_fr_24, you are redirecting a redirect? |
| 23:18.43 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24: which interface has 10.0.0.1? |
| 23:18.55 | orion_fr_24 | POVaddct: wifi |
| 23:18.59 | orion_fr_24 | Ungy: yes i am |
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| 23:19.13 | x-x- | iptables |
| 23:19.25 | orion_fr_24 | x-x-: cant do that |
| 23:19.27 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24: and whats the name of the wifi interface? eth1, ath0, ...? |
| 23:19.40 | x-x- | why not, you just forward packets |
| 23:20.01 | orion_fr_24 | POVaddct: en1 |
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| 23:20.27 | x-x- | explain why it cannot be done |
| 23:20.31 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24: en1? wtf |
| 23:20.32 | makubekss | where can i find mirrors for apt-get to download nvidia(kernel, sources, etc...) ???? |
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| 23:20.38 | orion_fr_24 | Pov no sorry |
| 23:20.45 | orion_fr_24 | POVaddct: gimme a sec |
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| 23:21.20 | asurie | tyranix: i wasn't sure what was causing the problem at the time so i removed qt and went back to menuconfig |
| 23:21.27 | orion_fr_24 | POVaddct: yes en1 |
| 23:21.45 | orion_fr_24 | x-x-: cant do that cause the machine is not a linux it s a mac os x |
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| 23:22.02 | orion_fr_24 | x-x-: on mac os x i can only use ipfw |
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| 23:22.20 | x-x- | makubekss: download the package from nvidia.com |
| 23:22.24 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24: so why do you ask here? this is a debian gnu/linux channel |
| 23:22.31 | x-x- | ah.. this is #debian |
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| 23:22.44 | tyranix | asurie: did that fix it or it's still messed up? |
| 23:22.47 | x-x- | call MAC support hotline :) |
| 23:22.51 | orion_fr_24 | POVaddct: cause mac os X is linux as weel ;° |
| 23:22.59 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24: wrong |
| 23:23.00 | mith | orion_fr_24: no, it is not |
| 23:23.00 | x-x- | it's BSD |
| 23:23.10 | x-x- | lol |
| 23:23.12 | orion_fr_24 | POVaddct: the kernel is yes |
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| 23:23.18 | x-x- | mis-informed |
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| 23:23.24 | mith | orion_fr_24: you want to use ipf. it's documented via man pages and apple's website. |
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| 23:23.46 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24: no. mac os x has a BSD-like kernel, not a linux kernel |
| 23:23.47 | orion_fr_24 | mith: ipf or ipfw ? |
| 23:23.47 | virtu | anyone knows a good adsl pppoe deb package? I am trying to configure my modem on debian and usbnet modulo loads fine but I dont know if it is the correct module |
| 23:23.49 | mith | orion_fr_24: os x is not linux in any way shape or form. |
| 23:23.52 | x-x- | like i said, call their support line, you paid for that after all, now its time to bug them |
| 23:24.07 | mith | orion_fr_24: ipfw |
| 23:24.09 | tyranix | orion_fr_24: If you can (don't know about mac osx), try them in this order: pf, ipf, ipfw. |
| 23:24.10 | Alias-X | mysql 5 for debian? anyone have a glue about this? |
| 23:24.23 | orion_fr_24 | x-x-: if i call them i ll pay 47 euros |
| 23:24.32 | azeem | Alias-X: do you need it for stable? |
| 23:24.38 | azeem | or 3.1 |
| 23:24.41 | orion_fr_24 | tyranix: i know there ipfw on mac os x |
| 23:24.45 | tyranix | Alias-X: It's in testing and unstable. |
| 23:24.53 | asurie | tyranix: no that didn't fix it |
| 23:24.56 | tyranix | orion_fr_24: ipfw is the worst of the 3 |
| 23:24.58 | Alias-X | just for testing |
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| 23:25.11 | Alias-X | thanks, any idea when its out? |
| 23:25.17 | makubekss | x-x-, nvidia.com has the debian package ? |
| 23:25.19 | azeem | Alias-X: if you need it for 3.1, check www.backports.org |
| 23:25.24 | mith | tyranix: i don't paticularly like any of them |
| 23:25.25 | Alias-X | thank you =o) |
| 23:25.43 | orion_fr_24 | ok nobody is helping me in fact |
| 23:25.44 | tyranix | mith: I like PF a lot. I wish there was a Debian port. |
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| 23:25.48 | mith | tyranix: but then, iptables sucks too, so um, you have to use something :P |
| 23:25.51 | orion_fr_24 | thank you for your time |
| 23:25.59 | E-bola | If my list of install packages have gotten sort of corrupted, how can i fix that? |
| 23:26.00 | mith | orion_fr_24: you don't have a linux problem. |
| 23:26.01 | E-bola | apt-get check |
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| 23:26.02 | x-x- | makubekss: not sure, why not go take a look there? they have installation instructions too if i'mnot wrong |
| 23:26.04 | orion_fr_24 | linux community is not anymore what it was |
| 23:26.04 | E-bola | reports nothing |
| 23:26.14 | E-bola | but i need to reinstall a bunch of broken packages |
| 23:26.14 | mith | !community |
| 23:26.18 | double_c | orion_fr_24: try a macintosh channel |
| 23:26.19 | E-bola | anyway to reinstall * |
| 23:26.26 | E-bola | apt-get dont apear to take wildcards nicely |
| 23:26.37 | spuhpointer | what happened with packages.debian.org? |
| 23:26.38 | tyranix | asurie: hmm so it sounds like maybe a packaging bug. |
| 23:26.54 | E-bola | spuhpointer: down cause of load |
| 23:26.55 | orion_fr_24 | double_c: so what ??? a linux command should be know on mac and not linux channel ?? |
| 23:27.07 | orion_fr_24 | it s getting worst |
| 23:27.11 | x-x- | lol |
| 23:27.11 | aalex | hi. I have a problem with with network interfaces. seems like my app cannont connect on 127.0.0.1 (or 127.0.0.0, not sure). What should i put in my /etc/network/interfaces to make it work ? |
| 23:27.14 | orion_fr_24 | good bye |
| 23:27.14 | x-x- | this is funny |
| 23:27.15 | mith | orion_fr_24: it is not a fucking 'linux command'. go away. |
| 23:27.17 | double_c | orion_fr_24: are you using linux? |
| 23:27.23 | spuhpointer | hmm.... but till this there was ok |
| 23:27.25 | orion_fr_24 | double_c: yes i am |
| 23:27.31 | mith | no, he's using osx |
| 23:27.38 | double_c | orion_fr_24: is your border machine running linux? |
| 23:27.40 | asurie | tyranix: could be, do you have rgb.txt that I could look at? |
| 23:27.44 | orion_fr_24 | mith: shut up please i can answer for myself |
| 23:27.57 | orion_fr_24 | double_c: no it is not |
| 23:27.59 | x-x- | aalex: iface lo inet loopback |
| 23:28.00 | mith | orion_fr_24: you already did answer it. |
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| 23:28.08 | tyranix | asurie: Sure, but I'm using an older xorg. I doubt it would hurt anything but I'm not sure it would help. :) I'll pastebin it. |
| 23:28.11 | voidy | hi guys, |
| 23:28.13 | aalex | x-x- : thats all ? |
| 23:28.14 | x-x- | aalex: and: auto lo |
| 23:28.15 | tyranix | I'm using the testing version. |
| 23:28.30 | voidy | any idea how i could boot a usb cdrom without bios support for booting from them? |
| 23:28.32 | x-x- | aalex: then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:28.40 | double_c | orion_fr_24: on your border router, rewrite the destination IP to the 10.x.x.x, then configure your mac to forward packets |
| 23:28.47 | x-x- | aalex: as root of course |
| 23:28.49 | orion_fr_24 | mith: if it s not a linux command can you explain why do you have it on your distro ???!!! |
| 23:28.50 | aalex | x-x- : done, but still |
| 23:28.58 | x-x- | aalex: explain again |
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| 23:29.18 | mith | orion_fr_24: ipfw isn't? |
| 23:29.19 | Ungy | what is the command to create a recursive zip archive? |
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| 23:29.25 | orion_fr_24 | double_c: then configure your mac to forward packets this is exactly the problem |
| 23:29.26 | asurie | tyranix: thanks. is there an easy way to revert to xfree86 4.3? |
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| 23:29.39 | orion_fr_24 | double_c: i m using ipfw to do that |
| 23:29.40 | aalex | x-x- : no, that was the good answer. the problem must be somewhere else |
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| 23:30.05 | x-x- | aalex: i figured, what exactly is the error message and from where |
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| 23:30.17 | orion_fr_24 | good night everybody |
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| 23:30.30 | js_ | i have a 8 button mouse, and i set the buttons to 8 in my xorg.conf, but i'm not sure how to see if it worked.. is there a utility that shows x events like mouse clicks? |
| 23:30.31 | Supaplex | error error, and error occurred. error. |
| 23:30.41 | aalex | x-x- : actually, its a application that cannot connect through tcp to itself on localhost |
| 23:30.42 | POVaddct | orion_fr_24 is totally confused |
| 23:30.49 | double_c | spat his dummy out :) |
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| 23:31.09 | x-x- | aalex: `ifconfig -a` is loopback present? |
| 23:31.11 | marcin_ | <join #sid |
| 23:31.18 | tyranix | asurie: No idea. I would try things in this order: find out what qt packages (and any others) were installed and check the BTS against each then maybe downgrade to testing xorg. I don't know what would be involved in downgrading to sarge's xfree86. |
| 23:31.29 | tyranix | asurie: http://pastebin.ca/38742 |
| 23:31.30 | Ungy | I need to make a recursive archive with tar but I can't figure out how to do it I made the archive I see it but I can;t seem to do anything with it |
| 23:31.46 | aalex | x-x- : yes it is present |
| 23:31.50 | x-x- | Ungy: look at manual? |
| 23:32.08 | x-x- | aalex: then it's probably the program itself :) |
| 23:32.22 | aalex | hmmm |
| 23:32.44 | x-x- | maybe the server end did not start |
| 23:32.45 | Ungy | x-x- I did that is what is confusing me |
| 23:32.59 | Alias-X | good night all! |
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| 23:33.24 | ice_1963 | good night |
| 23:33.32 | ice_1963 | :0) |
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| 23:33.45 | x-x- | Ungy: -R or -r |
| 23:33.59 | SilverspurG | dselect shows that I have a package called "linux-image-2.6.14-2-686", but apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 reports that it's not installed. Does anyone have a hint for me? |
| 23:34.02 | x-x- | `info zip | grep -i recursive` |
| 23:34.04 | ice_1963 | your right |
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| 23:34.10 | Ungy | x-x-, got it thanks |
| 23:35.00 | SilverspurG | I'm trying to remove/purge the package. I have the problem on two systems. |
| 23:35.02 | tototo | i am searching a linux software that could scan a hdd and try to recover files from it, and not like testdisk or gpart (bad geometry) that try to recover the partition table (was an ext3 partition) |
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| 23:35.16 | aalex | fsck? |
| 23:35.17 | XYZZZ | Hello all |
| 23:35.25 | aalex | tototo : fsck? |
| 23:35.31 | XYZZZ | Any one interested in work on customizing Debian to a specific set of hardware? |
| 23:35.38 | asurie | tyranix: what are the file permissions for rgb.txt? Also, do I need to link xorg.conf know about rgb.txt? This might not do anything but I'm willing to try.. |
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| 23:35.42 | silistra`busy | debian sux |
| 23:35.43 | silistra`busy | :)) |
| 23:36.13 | nevyn | silistra`busy: yes yes it does |
| 23:36.16 | tyranix | asurie: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17371 Jun 1 2005 /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 23:36.19 | markybob | i'm trying to parse a file using "cat foo |program", but i need cat to strip out all of the blank lines. i need something beyong cat -s, since cat -s leaves one blank. any suggestions on how to do this? |
| 23:36.30 | nevyn | markybob: grep |
| 23:36.31 | silistra`busy | i know ;) |
| 23:36.48 | x-x- | SilverspurG: try `man dpkg` |
| 23:37.13 | ice_1963 | first you will need to be able to install it first lol :0) |
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| 23:37.17 | tyranix | asurie: Ahh, there is an option: RgbPath "path" # where path is the full path minus the .txt extension. |
| 23:37.23 | tototo | aalex, nope the partition table has been crash so no device assosiated |
| 23:37.25 | nevyn | markybob: grep -v ^$|program |
| 23:37.33 | aalex | oh |
| 23:37.47 | markybob | nevyn: interesting. thank you |
| 23:37.59 | tyranix | hmmm although according to the man page (xorg.conf), it looks at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt by default. |
| 23:38.03 | nevyn | markybob: that assumes the lines are truely blank |
| 23:38.04 | tuv | how do i setup exim4 to forward mail to a real mail server in the same LAN |
| 23:38.06 | tuv | ? |
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| 23:38.20 | tyranix | asurie: So make a symlink from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt to /etc/X11/rgb.txt (that's how my default setup is). |
| 23:38.22 | nevyn | markybob: it could get a little more fancy if it's got spaces or tabs or something |
| 23:38.31 | SilverspurG | x-x-: now I'm back to where I was last night. dpkg reports that it's purging the package... but it hangs... forever. I waited 20 minutes last night. |
| 23:38.33 | tyranix | err wait, other way around. :) symlike from real to fake. |
| 23:38.34 | markybob | nevyn: understood. thanks again |
| 23:38.56 | tyranix | or copy it, doesn't really matter |
| 23:39.16 | SilverspurG | x-x-: I can kill dpkg with ^C, but the package remains. |
| 23:39.18 | x-x- | SilverspurG: you are NOT using that image right? |
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| 23:39.44 | SilverspurG | x-x-: no. according to uname -a I'm using the 2.6.14-1-686 image |
| 23:40.10 | tototo | aalex, #flood I'l show you |
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| 23:41.18 | x-x- | SilverspurG: where exactly did it hang? |
| 23:41.21 | justin__ | hey does anyone know of a gnome or gtk app that is similar to the windows wireless manager? something that will tell me what ap im conencted to and stuff? |
| 23:41.31 | x-x- | last 1-2 lines |
| 23:41.46 | x-x- | `iwconfig` |
| 23:41.48 | asurie | tyranix: which section of xorg.conf is RgbPath? |
| 23:42.07 | tyranix | asurie: files section. |
| 23:42.09 | SilverspurG | x-x-: it hangs on "Purging configuration files for linux-image-2.6.14-2-686" Just sits there. Forever. I tried to figure out what it was trying to do so that maybe I could help it along... but it's not real verbose about its actions. |
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| 23:42.15 | k31th | just lookig at these Dell Poweredge SC1425s they mount there HD upside down !? now i dont know if this was myth but is that really not good for the HD ? |
| 23:42.42 | tyranix | It's name "RGBPath" by the way. |
| 23:42.59 | double_c | k31th: I've got a hdd mounted vertically, been working fine for 4 years |
| 23:43.19 | treyh0 | uh oh |
| 23:43.27 | treyh0 | my diagonal and free hanging hd's are bound to die soon |
| 23:43.38 | k31th | lol |
| 23:43.47 | k31th | treyh0: i used t do that |
| 23:43.49 | double_c | treyh0: are they the ones hanging on the ribbon cable? :) |
| 23:43.52 | treyh0 | yeah |
| 23:43.53 | k31th | hanging from an ide cable :p |
| 23:44.06 | mith | erm, wtf, is iptables broken in sarge with the em64t kernel? |
| 23:44.10 | torres | como me comunicar |
| 23:44.10 | treyh0 | i dont even have the case closed |
| 23:44.12 | treyh0 | ever |
| 23:44.21 | x-x- | SilverspurG: `dpkg -l | grep kernel` are there 2 different packages? |
| 23:44.31 | k31th | wat kernels do you guys run, default debian install ships the 2.3 series still ? |
| 23:44.34 | k31th | 2.4* |
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| 23:44.59 | mith | k31th: you can install with either 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 23:45.11 | fli7e | in a webserver, web documents are stored in /var/wwwroot correct? |
| 23:45.14 | fli7e | usually |
| 23:45.19 | Durin | SilverspurG: i have had the same effect some time ago, resolved it by modifiying the postrm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info to run cleanly |
| 23:45.25 | k31th | mith: is that a boot time option ? |
| 23:45.29 | mith | fli7e: /var/www on debian by default. |
| 23:45.36 | asurie | tyranix: duh that would be the only place it would make sense :-) |
| 23:45.37 | fli7e | mith, thanks |
| 23:45.40 | mith | k31th: yes. read the install documentation. |
| 23:45.54 | tyranix | asurie: hehe |
| 23:45.55 | k31th | also is there any info on setting up raid |
| 23:45.58 | x-x- | SilverspurG: `dpkg -l | grep image-` |
| 23:46.03 | SilverspurG | x-x-: there's linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.15-686 and the offending linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 23:46.04 | k31th | ah ok guess ill head over to the docs section |
| 23:46.05 | mith | k31th: read the install documentation. |
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| 23:46.32 | tyranix | asurie: And the /var/log/Xorg.0.log didn't complain about not finding rgb.txt? |
| 23:46.48 | k31th | i have a Intel XEON 64BIT i want the ia64 iso ? |
| 23:46.57 | mith | k31th: no. |
| 23:47.01 | x-x- | SilverspurG: did you try forcing? dpkg --force-things |
| 23:47.05 | SilverspurG | Durin: There's a good hint. If I can't resolve this by the standard procedures I'll have a look in that directory. Thank you. |
| 23:47.10 | mith | k31th: and if you want to use iptables it appears that you don't want the em64t kernel, either, i just found out. |
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| 23:47.56 | asurie | tyranix: ill check that, but it turned out that /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt was the actual rgb.txt and not a symlink. |
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| 23:48.09 | dna_ | how do I get .rm files to play? |
| 23:48.09 | k31th | mith: yeah im gonna need iptables |
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| 23:48.27 | x-x- | dna_: realplayer |
| 23:48.41 | tyranix | asurie: Ahh okay. Is there a difference between the files (pastebin and that one)? |
| 23:48.44 | x-x- | dna_: mplayer can play realmedia i think |
| 23:48.48 | anton | how do i kill gdm and X? my X is configured incorrectly and i don't know how to kill them (they only restart on sigkill, sigint, sigterm etc) |
| 23:48.57 | tyranix | like maybe the missing entries? *crosses fingers* :) |
| 23:49.09 | markybob | anton: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 23:49.12 | x-x- | /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 23:49.14 | anton | cheers |
| 23:49.18 | x-x- | heh |
| 23:49.24 | SilverspurG | x-x-: I'm currently trying "--force-remove-essential" I'm not much of a package management guru. Mostly it Just Works. dselect is good like that. |
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| 23:49.34 | anton | now my characters got fucked up |
| 23:49.38 | SilverspurG | x-x-: but it appears to still be hanging indefinitely. |
| 23:50.17 | anton | hm. i had to turn it back on cause my characters here in the terminal was looking unreadableish |
| 23:50.41 | double_c | anton: if it happens again in the console, just type 'reset' |
| 23:50.45 | gentgeen__ | I just got a USB graphics tablet -- where can I look to see where it got mapped to --- /dev/input/????? |
| 23:51.00 | anton | and i don't know what's wrong with my x config. it's set to the correct settings, but yet the display looks odd. black diagonal lines and nothing readable at all, still the mouse in X gets drawn correctly. why is that? |
| 23:51.03 | asurie | asurie: actually, the log indicates a problem. it tries to load rgb from /usr.. but then fails - "Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" |
| 23:51.08 | anton | double_c: aha. thanks. |
| 23:51.09 | gentgeen__ | dmesg shows it noticed, and I can use it as a mouse, but need some X11 settings |
| 23:51.21 | tyranix | asurie: argh, I'll be back later (30 mins or so). |
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| 23:51.36 | tyranix | asurie: I think that's a sign you've been debugging a problem too long when you start addressing yourself. :) |
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| 23:51.58 | war92 | EMACS is HOSED in Etch? Fonts no longer work? |
| 23:52.03 | deadcat | cdrecord requires suid inorder for regular user to burn right? |
| 23:52.12 | ice_1963 | that's true |
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| 23:52.24 | pipeline | deadcat: but suid is broken under 2.6 anyway |
| 23:52.25 | asurie | tyranix: lol, thanks for the help. ill be back on a little later also |
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| 23:52.31 | deadcat | doh |
| 23:52.48 | SilverspurG | Durin: Hehe. The postrm script for linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 is a pretty good bite to chew on. I think maybe I'll just let the package sit innocently on the bottom of the obsolete list until I reinstall. :) Thanks for the info, though. |
| 23:52.57 | Sonny | why when I mount my ntfs partitions I can't access to them with my user, only root? |
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| 23:53.04 | azeem | pipeline: how so? |
| 23:53.14 | deadcat | Sonny: man mount search for uid |
| 23:53.23 | anton | anyone knows what's up with my X? it's configured correctly, afaik, but it displays everything unreadable with black diagonal lines over it. but the mouse pointer is drawn _perfectly_! |
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| 23:54.40 | x-x- | check log |
| 23:54.56 | k31th | i have two new 250 gig satas here wats the best way to test there working 100% before i ship this server to the datacenter ? |
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| 23:55.59 | SilverspurG | have a very pleasant evening everyone. thanks for the chat. |
| 23:56.00 | Sonny | deadcat: i mount them in the fstab file |
| 23:56.32 | double_c | Sonny: put the user option in the line, man fstab |
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| 23:56.38 | deadcat | Sonny: ya. |
| 23:56.41 | Durin | SilverspurG: just place an "exit 0" near the top then dpkg will be satisfied, not clean but functions :-) |
| 23:56.53 | Sonny | double, yes is with this option |
| 23:57.02 | iostream | Hi. How can I remove all courier-mta's deferred mails? |
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| 23:58.01 | pipeline | azeem: setting cdrecord suid under 2.6 usually doesn't work to allow ordinary users to burn CDs. |
| 23:58.04 | tototo | k31th use a test utilities called ubcd u might get what u need |
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| 23:58.09 | Sonny | double_c: fstab with this options: ro,user,auto |
| 23:58.21 | azeem | pipeline: ah, I thought you meant suid was broken in general |
| 23:58.26 | tototo | k31th ultimate boot d |
| 23:58.33 | double_c | Sonny: pretty much the same as me |
| 23:58.44 | double_c | have you got (rw) in the server's exports file? |
| 23:58.55 | Sonny | double_c: so why just root can access to them? |
| 23:58.59 | spectre | does anyone know if its possible to put linux at all on a Winbook Si laptop? the linux for laptops site doesnt have it listed, but i dont know if it just isnt posted and works. anyone? |
| 23:59.00 | double_c | Sonny: sorry, you can write as root |
| 23:59.44 | Sonny | double_c: I even change the owner of the dir |
