| 00:00.07 | Wyzard|TP | valdyn: FWIW, it doesn't compile against kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 either |
| 00:00.19 | loggygreg | how can i mount a ntfs partition such that the users can read it ? |
| 00:00.39 | snorre | valdyn: sending you the log by dcc |
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| 00:01.01 | mrd- | is there something funky about using 2.6.15.1 with stable? |
| 00:01.31 | pipeline | mrd-: Well, lots of things funky. |
| 00:01.32 | aXp | hi! how to enter characters through the ascii code ? like in windows through <alt>+<code> |
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| 00:01.43 | valdyn | !paste |
| 00:01.43 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:01.48 | valdyn | snorre: READ what dpkg sais |
| 00:01.49 | mrd- | i see in the faq something |
| 00:01.51 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: "Partial source code" probably means that it's extending a driver that's already part of the standard kernel... which means it's highly dependent on which version of the standard kernel you compile it against |
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| 00:02.17 | astronut | streuner: how to handle spaces? %20? |
| 00:02.22 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: I've tried it against both 2.4.27 and 2.6.15 and it failed... something like 2.6.8 might work if done right, but I don't have those versions on my system |
| 00:03.00 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: What I did, though, was edit Makefile.partial and change KERNEL_SRC_DIR to point to the correct kernel source directory, and then edit cfg_linux.h and uncomment the VDEBUG #define |
| 00:03.22 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Try it on your kernel-headers-2.6.8 after doing those things |
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| 00:03.34 | gpm | any apache experts know why any time i try to access /blog (a file) it tries to get /blog/ (a non-existant directory)??? thanks |
| 00:03.52 | snorre | !paste |
| 00:03.52 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:03.54 | astronut | gpm: are you sure /blog exists? |
| 00:03.59 | gpm | astronut: yeah |
| 00:04.02 | mrd- | pipeline: i actually managed to boot up fine, except it appears modules have changed around quite a bit :/ |
| 00:04.04 | jetscreamer | there is no paste |
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| 00:04.09 | jetscreamer | he ate it |
| 00:04.30 | mrd- | thankfully it seems i can get network access if i compile it into the kernel |
| 00:04.32 | gpm | astronut: in fact, you can see it in the directory listing (Index of /)...click it and get a 404 |
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| 00:05.03 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: Did you succeed building the driver? |
| 00:05.28 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Not with either of the two versions I tried... 2.6.15 had fewer errors than 2.4.27 though |
| 00:05.51 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: I tried those modifications too, but no luck |
| 00:06.08 | snorre | it still won't work and that's why I need help to make it work |
| 00:06.26 | snorre | so I figured I should ask you experts in here :) |
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| 00:07.24 | snorre | I'm no expert, and I've used weeks to figure it out by searching the net, but nothing |
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| 00:08.13 | tziku | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 00:08.15 | tziku | help ? |
| 00:08.29 | Wyzard|TP | tziku: Most likely, the MySQL daemon isn't running |
| 00:08.46 | snorre | Perhaps uninstalling Debian, and install RedHat/SuSE is my only option to get this driver working? |
| 00:08.46 | mrd- | oof i see, a new modutils-type tool, module-init-tools |
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| 00:09.09 | Wyzard|TP | mrd-: Oh... yeah, that'd do it |
| 00:09.11 | dragonfly | hi all |
| 00:09.16 | Wyzard|TP | mrd-: all 2.6 kernels need that for modules |
| 00:09.19 | tziku | Wyzard and how can i fix that ? |
| 00:09.34 | Wyzard|TP | tziku: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 00:09.47 | Wyzard|TP | tziku: but if it fails to start then you need to find out why |
| 00:09.55 | tziku | -bash: /etc/init.d/mysql: No such file or directory |
| 00:10.01 | tziku | dosn;t exist :( |
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| 00:10.26 | Wyzard|TP | tziku: Is there anything in /etc/init.d with "mysql" in the name? |
| 00:10.33 | tziku | nop |
| 00:10.49 | mrd- | yea that fixes all my problems |
| 00:10.52 | mrd- | oki doki |
| 00:10.57 | Wyzard|TP | tziku: Sounds like you don't even have MySQL installed |
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| 00:11.26 | dragonfly | I'm putting debian on my laptop...I did a minimal install (did not select any of the packages in base-config) and all went smoothly...then after the reboot I installed xserver-xorg that went smoothly, then i installed rox-filer for my desktop environment which also went error free, then when I tried to run my desktop i typed rox-filer and go the message Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 00:11.35 | tziku | !tell tziku about mysql |
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| 00:12.22 | dragonfly | what am i missing or forgetting? |
| 00:12.34 | jjb123 | Hi, I have a problem. I want to install Debian on my server so I downloaded the bittorrent file but I can't find a single iso in it, but there is in the http version ( don't have time or bandwidth for http version) can someone help |
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| 00:13.07 | dragonfly | jjb123 a bittorrent is not an iso it is a different file type |
| 00:13.16 | dragonfly | you should be able to get the iso from the ftp site |
| 00:13.32 | Wyzard|TP | jjb123: You downloaded the .torrent file? Or you actually used the .torrent file with a bittorrent file to download the iso? |
| 00:13.48 | jjb123 | I used the torrent file, with Azureus |
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| 00:14.00 | jjb123 | I can't find an iso in the resulting files |
| 00:14.12 | Wyzard|TP | jjb123: What files did you get, if not an iso? |
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| 00:14.46 | jjb123 | I don't know, I went under dists and all the files were just labeled as "file" no specified type |
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| 00:15.32 | bucky | jjb123, /msg dpkg d-i and dl the 100m netinstall iso |
| 00:15.34 | Wyzard|TP | jjb123: if you got a "dists" directory, it sounds like what you have is the contents of the CD as a set of ordinary files, rather than the iso that's supposed to contain them |
| 00:15.48 | Wyzard|TP | jjb123: I suspect it was an unofficial torrent or something |
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| 00:15.59 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: sending you the log file |
| 00:16.16 | jjb123 | oh, I think I well just do the FTP file then |
| 00:16.22 | jjb123 | Thank you for your help |
| 00:16.55 | jonatha1 | bye |
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| 00:18.57 | wombachi | whois _john |
| 00:19.23 | thingfish | whois _anyone, really. |
| 00:19.44 | markybob | thingfish: that was actually pretty funny. usually your jokes suck. good job. ;) |
| 00:19.55 | thingfish | aw shucks. |
| 00:19.59 | markybob | heh |
| 00:20.24 | foo | bz0b: yo |
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| 00:23.02 | kevin | How can I check to see if im in XFree86 or XOrg? |
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| 00:23.21 | hmakholm | By mistake I kill -9'ed aptitude, which left the dpkg statedir locked. Is it safe to just remove the lock file, or is there some recommended cleanup action? |
| 00:23.30 | adlpaf | How can I install Java??? |
| 00:23.34 | Wyzard|TP | kevin: xdpyinfo | grep vendor |
| 00:23.40 | markybob | adlpaf: /msg dpkg java |
| 00:23.40 | foo | adlpaf: /msg dpkg java |
| 00:23.45 | foo | markybob: Beat you ;) |
| 00:23.47 | kevin | Wyzard: Muchos Gracias |
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| 00:23.49 | thingfish | kevin: if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you probably have x.org. |
| 00:23.51 | markybob | foo: not on my screen :) |
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| 00:24.00 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: ??? |
| 00:24.02 | foo | markybob: Heh heh, I knew you were going to say that :P |
| 00:24.07 | horza_ | I was gonna say "ls -l /etc/ | grep X" and see where X points too |
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| 00:24.55 | horza_ | foo, on my screen you lost |
| 00:24.55 | bouss | geia |
| 00:24.55 | foo | horza_: haha |
| 00:24.55 | markybob | yes! |
| 00:24.55 | horza_ | lolz |
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| 00:24.55 | horza_ | anyone have experience w/ debian on hppa? |
| 00:24.55 | kevin | What do I need to install the fglrx driger? |
| 00:24.56 | skrewz | hmakholm: I would suppose so. No guarantees, though. |
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| 00:25.12 | kevin | hmakholm: try it, and if you KP, come back and tell us, |
| 00:25.12 | dragonfly | i think that part of my problem was that i forgot to install xdm |
| 00:25.18 | snorre | valdyn: any luck? |
| 00:25.26 | horza_ | dragon, why are you using xdm? |
| 00:25.28 | dragonfly | but now when my computer boots it just ends up with a blank screen |
| 00:25.44 | dragonfly | why not horza_? |
| 00:25.47 | hmakholm | I had hoped somebody could point me to the 'audit state files' option to dpkg that seems to be missing from my copy of the manpage :-) |
| 00:25.58 | horza_ | I mean in opposition to, say, gdm, or kdm? |
| 00:26.21 | dragonfly | well, at this point I'm trying to stay away from anything gnome or kde |
| 00:26.34 | skrewz | hmakholm: For an authoritative answer, I suppose you have to read the code or ask the maintainer.. |
| 00:26.35 | horza_ | gotchya |
| 00:26.44 | dragonfly | i'm going to use the rox desktop environment...i dunno if it's going to be any good but I figured I'd try it |
| 00:26.51 | tziku | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 00:26.53 | horza_ | sounds like fun |
| 00:26.54 | tziku | help ? |
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| 00:27.00 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: I was going to try buiding it against 2.6.0 or 2.6.8, but I'm having trouble doing the configuration step on those -- I'm guessing it's because I use GCC 4 |
| 00:27.00 | odla | dragonfly: you could try xfce |
| 00:27.01 | dragonfly | i just haven't been successful yet :-S |
| 00:27.08 | horza_ | apt-get install mysql? |
| 00:27.09 | tziku | when i'm trying to install mysql-server :(( |
| 00:27.16 | horza_ | -server* |
| 00:27.19 | horza_ | um |
| 00:27.24 | hmakholm | skrewz: Well, right. I'll just chance it... |
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| 00:27.24 | horza_ | hmmm.... |
| 00:27.27 | arthur | hi all. I have a problem with apt-get: i wish to enable ftp active mode, something like wget --no-passive |
| 00:27.42 | drac | Wyzard|TP: well.. I haven't been paying attention to your conversation.. but GCC4 is supported since 2.6.11 |
| 00:27.52 | horza_ | apt-get remove mysql-server && apt-get install mysql-server? |
| 00:27.58 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: I got a plain ins Debian 3.1 install with kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 00:28.11 | tziku | i do...and don't work |
| 00:28.13 | snorre | let me know if you figure it out |
| 00:28.13 | skrewz | In a mission-critical environment, you should of course duplicate the situation off the host... But, then again. |
| 00:28.23 | horza_ | anyone installed debian on an hppa machine? |
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| 00:28.38 | adlpaf | markybob, What is it??? |
| 00:28.48 | markybob | what? what's what? |
| 00:28.55 | markybob | i havent been paying attention. trying to work here :) |
| 00:28.56 | Wyzard|TP | drac: I'm running 2.6.15, but trying to configure a 2.6.8 tree to help troubleshoot snorre's problem |
| 00:29.11 | horza_ | successfully that is, and that can help me w/ an odd problem |
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| 00:29.30 | markybob | adlpaf: what are you talking about? |
| 00:29.37 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: Thanks |
| 00:30.05 | flodine | guys got 2 cd 3.1 and 3.1r0a whats newer |
| 00:30.19 | skrewz | flodine: The latter. |
| 00:30.21 | valdyn | snorre: alright, i compiled that driver against 2.6.8 |
| 00:30.43 | valdyn | snorre: did you paste your error yet? |
| 00:30.59 | snorre | valdyn: wow, what did you do? |
| 00:31.05 | flodine | it dont see my sata frive is there an option it pick from |
| 00:31.13 | snorre | valdyn: no, not possible |
| 00:31.13 | flodine | drives |
| 00:31.19 | valdyn | !paste |
| 00:31.19 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:31.21 | hmakholm | Re my locking problems above: the real problem turned out to be that the aptitude process was only half dead. (I had misspelled -9 in kill -9). Everything fine now. |
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| 00:31.25 | valdyn | snorre: cant you use that paste site? |
| 00:31.34 | valdyn | snorre: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:31.46 | snorre | used that one, nothing happened |
| 00:31.46 | valdyn | snorre: i did nothing special to compile it |
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| 00:32.45 | efaistos | do u know a software that use a webcam to record a little movie ? |
| 00:32.45 | snorre | valdyn: really, what kernel did you got? |
| 00:32.54 | valdyn | snorre: 2.6.8 |
| 00:33.00 | skrewz | hmakholm: Hmm, luckily you haven't suffered any damage -- removing the lock, while a process is holding it is potentially dangerous. |
| 00:33.10 | snorre | valdyn: I got a smp machine, btw (Athlon MP) |
| 00:33.29 | skrewz | hmakholm: And how do you go about misspelling ``-9''? :) |
| 00:33.29 | valdyn | snorre: paste your damn errors.. |
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| 00:33.38 | pdiaz | llll |
| 00:33.38 | hmakholm | skrewz: Don't ask. |
| 00:33.39 | snorre | valdyn: how? |
| 00:33.41 | valdyn | snorre: you cant use a webbrowser? or why havent you.. |
| 00:33.59 | skrewz | hmakholm: :) |
| 00:34.00 | snorre | I get disconnected every time I try |
| 00:34.02 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Try compiling the driver against a non-SMP kernel first, and once you get that working, then try the SMP kernel |
| 00:34.16 | valdyn | snorre: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 00:34.49 | _sagatiba__ | voltei... consegui conectar pelo linux... |
| 00:34.55 | snorre | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1676 |
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| 00:35.03 | _sagatiba__ | agora o q faço pra usar o apt e instalar o KDE? |
| 00:35.17 | markybob | _sagatiba__: #debian-br |
| 00:35.18 | skrewz | _sagatiba__: In english? |
| 00:35.53 | valdyn | snorre: there's an error? |
| 00:35.53 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Umm... there's no error there |
| 00:35.57 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: That's a successful compilation |
| 00:36.02 | valdyn | snorre: ls napa.ko |
| 00:36.11 | valdyn | snorre: ( as root ) modinfo ./napa.ko |
| 00:36.16 | _sagatiba__ | markos_, confundi o canal hehehe vlw |
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| 00:37.18 | buu | This is perhaps relevant here, I'm trying to run azureus with the cli mode using the default install, but when I run the java -jar Azureus2.jar; it complains about not being able to find Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3138 in java.library.path |
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| 00:37.49 | Wyzard|TP | buu: The Debian-packaged Azureus? Or did you download it manually from the web? |
| 00:38.04 | buu | Wyzard|TP: Debian package. |
| 00:38.45 | Wyzard|TP | buu: hmm... on my system (running unstable), I have /usr/lib/jni/libswt-pi-gtk-3139.so from the "libswt3.1-gtk-jni" package, but no 3138 |
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| 00:39.17 | buu | Wyzard|TP: I've got a /usr/lib/libswt-pi-gtk-3138.so, but I shouln't need it at all. |
| 00:39.44 | Wyzard|TP | buu: Does Azureus work in GUI mode? |
| 00:39.49 | buu | Seems to |
| 00:39.54 | buu | Just the ./azureus |
| 00:39.54 | snorre | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1677 |
| 00:40.13 | valdyn | snorre: that's your driver |
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| 00:40.40 | Wyzard|TP | buu: OK... so the problem is that when you're running it in CLI mode it's still trying to use SWT for some reason |
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| 00:41.10 | Wyzard|TP | buu: I've never used Azureus in CLI mode, but I would guess that maybe you need to pass it some command-line option to tell it not to start its GUI |
| 00:41.16 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: it works?! |
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| 00:41.29 | buu | Wyzard|TP: Yes, I did. |
| 00:41.33 | snorre | valdyn: ok |
| 00:41.44 | buu | Wyzard|TP: Well and it can't even find the libs, even though they're there. |
| 00:42.42 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: that's fantastic :)) |
| 00:42.47 | Wyzard|TP | buu: /usr/bin/azureus is a shell script which sets up java.library.path to look in /usr/lib... that's why it fails when you run it manually, because you haven't added that to the path |
| 00:42.53 | buu | Ahh. |
| 00:42.54 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Thank valdyn, not me |
| 00:42.57 | buu | And debian is batshit insane |
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| 00:43.02 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: All I did was determine that it doesn't work on 2.6.15 |
| 00:43.11 | buu | I did apt-get install libswt3.1-gtk-jni and it pulled in mozilla-browser |
| 00:43.15 | snorre | valdyn: thanks alot! |
| 00:43.33 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Anyway, put that .ko file in an appropriate subdirectory in /lib/modules, run depmod, and you should be able to modprobe it |
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| 00:44.12 | Nopalin | hello, excuseme, who uses serial-ata hd |
| 00:44.27 | matthew | how do i set a default browser (w/o gnome or kde)? |
| 00:44.37 | Wyzard|TP | !anyone use |
| 00:44.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:44.44 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: That said, yes, I do |
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| 00:45.09 | buu | Wyzard|TP: Well, ok, now I get a "gtk handle init" failure.. |
| 00:45.27 | Nopalin | wyzard i need your help |
| 00:45.34 | quitte_ | cdrw-taper is driving me crazy. i now switched to ide-scsi and changed all hdc to scd0 but still the amanda logfile tells stuff about hdc in its logfile |
| 00:45.43 | Wyzard|TP | buu: No idea about that, sorry... all I can suggest is to look at the /usr/bin/azureus script and see what it does |
| 00:46.00 | buu | Wyzard|TP: Well, obviously it's failing, I'm not running it in X =] |
| 00:46.00 | snorre | valdyn: so how do I make this driver start/installed? |
| 00:46.12 | Wyzard|TP | buu: For that matter, why not just run /usr/bin/azureus with the command-line option to not start the GUI? |
| 00:46.19 | buu | Yeah =] |
| 00:46.26 | buu | Because it errors.. |
| 00:46.33 | Nopalin | i have sata hd, but when i connect it alone to computer to install linux, it reboots :S, but if i connect it with another IDE hd, it works fine :S im confused |
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| 00:47.07 | matthew | when i click a link in thunderbird (email or rss) it opens links, and i want to use firefox. does anyone know where this setting is? i think its a debian setting as I can't find it anywhere in the thunderbird prefs |
| 00:47.15 | Wyzard|TP | buu: If that doesn't work, I can't really help... I've never used Azureus in anything other than GUI mode, and I'm not a Java expert |
| 00:47.38 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: It reboots during the installation? Or before the installer even starts? |
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| 00:49.08 | Nopalin | well im not installign linux, i want copy linux from my old ide hd, but when i start linux with a live cd, gentoo more specified, it reboot when try to load sata driver |
| 00:49.24 | Nopalin | but is weird, because i can see the gentoo load the modules |
| 00:50.03 | Gnea | Nopalin: you're booting a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:50.10 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: Why not ask in #gentoo then? |
| 00:50.16 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: it sounds like a problem with their liveCD's kernel |
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| 00:50.28 | x-x-_ | sata requires 2.6 if i'm not wrong |
| 00:50.39 | Nopalin | 2.4 kernel |
| 00:50.42 | Nopalin | no |
| 00:50.44 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: Either that or a problem with your SATA controller... try booting something else, like the Ubuntu liveCD |
| 00:50.45 | Gnea | most of the time, yes. there are 2.4 sata patches but they are weak. |
| 00:50.50 | Nopalin | because i try with ubuntu too |
| 00:51.05 | Nopalin | and when i try to install windos xp, too, |
| 00:51.06 | x-x-_ | Nopalin: load 2.6 instead |
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| 00:51.16 | Gnea | Nopalin: that's the problem then, you need to boot with a 2.6 kernel - in debian it's as simple as boot: linux26<enter> |
| 00:51.18 | Nopalin | but if i have both hd, all works perfectly |
| 00:51.23 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: I installed Debian on this system (a ThinkPad Z60m with a SATA hard drive connected to an Intel SATA controller) using debootstrap from the Ubuntu 5.10 liveCD |
| 00:51.30 | dragonfly | ok, so i installed xdm and blackbox and something still isn't right |
| 00:51.32 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: I *know* SATA works properly from that liveCD |
| 00:51.50 | Gnea | Nopalin: if it's a newer system then xp probably doesn't see the drive |
| 00:52.27 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: what is not right |
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| 00:53.02 | dragonfly | well, i am rebooting right now....after i installed both i typed xdm and it just went to a blank screen that i had to ctrl+c to get back to my command line |
| 00:53.30 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: How do I test this driver then? |
| 00:53.38 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Have you loaded it? |
| 00:53.48 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: xdm should start on bootup, or start it by /etc/init.d.xdm start |
| 00:53.51 | snorre | how do I do that? |
| 00:54.02 | matthew | i found /etc/alternatvies/www-browser, but is there a way to set my default browser to my user account, not system-wide? |
| 00:54.06 | dragonfly | ok, we'll see what happens when it gets booted |
| 00:54.21 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
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| 00:54.47 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: The preferred way would be to put it in an appropriate subdirectory of /lib/modules -- I'd use something like /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/napa -- run depmod, and then modprobe napa |
| 00:54.47 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: Please tell me how |
| 00:55.03 | Nopalin | do you have sata as ide controller ? |
| 00:55.04 | dragonfly | ok, on reboot my screen was black except the top 1/5 was white that then faded into black....all is black now |
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| 00:55.17 | Nopalin | or as sata controller? |
| 00:55.25 | dragonfly | all is locked up :-S |
| 00:55.29 | jjb123 | Hi, I downloaded Debian 3.1 and I can't find a single ISO in it. I first tryied with bittorrent and then with HTTP but I can't get it. I is just a bunch of files and not a single iso |
| 00:55.37 | jjb123 | Canm anyone help? |
| 00:55.45 | Gnea | Nopalin: 2.6 will detect it properly as a SCSI device |
| 00:55.54 | dragonfly | jjb123 |
| 00:56.07 | Nopalin | o think, well when ubuntu is loading, it rebooting |
| 00:56.10 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: I have an "Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller" (according to lspci) and I'm using it with the "ata_piix" driver |
| 00:56.15 | Nopalin | i dont know what to do |
| 00:56.18 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: This sytem has no PATA at all, only SATA |
| 00:56.23 | Gnea | !tell jjb123 -about iso |
| 00:56.28 | Nopalin | i have the same wyzard |
| 00:57.03 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: If you have the same controller I do and you're booting the same Ubuntu liveCD I did, and it doesn't work for you, then all I can guess is that your controller is defective |
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| 00:57.28 | Nopalin | well i think that too |
| 00:57.29 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: xdm starts on bootup? |
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| 00:57.43 | Nopalin | i try to install debian sarge from iso's |
| 00:57.44 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: If that's the case, we can't help you... contact the manufacturer about getting it replaced |
| 00:57.45 | dragonfly | yes |
| 00:57.50 | jjb123 | Gnea: That URL doesnt exsist. Also, I already downloaded something that was suppossed to be an ISO but I was just a collection of files |
| 00:58.17 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: the official Sarge install CDs don't support many SATA controllers, unfortunately -- that's why I installed using debootstrap from Ubuntu's liveCD |
| 00:58.22 | dragonfly | jjb123 want me to just send you the sarge netinstall iso? |
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| 00:58.40 | Nopalin | ok, i boot from ubuntu live cd |
| 00:58.43 | dragonfly | x-x-_ yes it does |
| 00:58.46 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: ls /lib/modules/ |
| 00:58.46 | snorre | 2.4.27-2-k7 2.6.8-2-k7-smp |
| 00:58.56 | Nopalin | do chroot, and recompile kernel |
| 00:59.02 | snorre | where should I put the napa.ko file you say? |
| 00:59.16 | Nopalin | there is any way to do chroot and the load env-variables? |
| 00:59.17 | jjb123 | nothank you, I don't have and internet cable hooked up yet. |
| 00:59.19 | Gnea | jjb123: what was the filename? and what url did YOU use? |
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| 00:59.30 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: 2.6.8-2-k7-smp is the one whose headers you compiled the driver against, right? |
| 00:59.32 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: stop xdm and start blackbox manually, maybe it is xdm, maybe not |
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| 00:59.37 | jjb123 | Gnea: I used debian.org/cd, the one in the message |
| 00:59.50 | Nopalin | in gentoo i can do chroot, source /etc/profile env-update, but in debian the isn't env-update script |
| 00:59.54 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: right |
| 00:59.55 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: i think you need to re-configure your X |
| 01:00.05 | Gnea | jjb123: you're smoking crack, yes that url DOES work. |
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| 01:00.15 | Gnea | !iso |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | i guess iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image" |
| 01:00.21 | Gnea | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ <-- WORKS. |
| 01:00.30 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Then put it there |
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| 01:00.51 | coywolf | how to set up 2006 debian gpg? |
| 01:01.00 | dragonfly | does xdm have a configuration wizard? |
| 01:01.00 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: If you're looking for information on how to install Debian from an Ubuntu liveCD, that's here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 01:01.10 | Gnea | coywolf: /topic |
| 01:01.15 | secher | This is *seriously* wierd. I do an 'ls *.txt' and I get returned 'ls: invalid option --_' WTF? |
| 01:01.22 | jjb123 | Ok, I already downloaded the HTTP version from that website and I do not get an ISO, just abunch of random files no iso at all |
| 01:01.25 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: did blackbox start? |
| 01:01.25 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: But if you can't even boot the liveCD successfully because the SATA driver makes your computer reboot, you need to get your broken hardware replaced |
| 01:01.45 | dragonfly | i don't think so...it locks up before then |
| 01:01.46 | Nopalin | thanks wyzard |
| 01:01.47 | Gnea | jjb123: you are failing to provide the requested information, thus we can't help you. |
| 01:01.55 | Nopalin | i go to do that |
| 01:02.07 | Wyzard|TP | jjb123: You downloaded an official iso from Debian's website and what you got was a bunch of individual files, not an iso file? |
| 01:02.14 | jjb123 | yes |
| 01:02.22 | Gnea | Wyzard|TP: he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 01:02.41 | Wyzard|TP | jjb123: It sounds to me like you did get an iso, and you're opening it in some archive tool (such as WinRAR, WinZip, etc.) which knows how to display the contents of an iso |
| 01:03.07 | Silent_al | hi, im looking for a command line image resizing tool , i had 1 b4 , but 4got its anme .. |
| 01:03.09 | Silent_al | name* |
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| 01:03.22 | Gnea | !b4 |
| 01:03.22 | dpkg | try "before", moron. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 01:03.24 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: modprobe napa |
| 01:03.24 | snorre | Segmentation fault |
| 01:03.36 | jjb123 | Oh, that is it. I assumed it was and winrar archive becuase the winrar logo was displayed. Thank you. |
| 01:04.31 | Wyzard|TP | secher: Maybe you have a file with a name like "--_.txt" |
| 01:04.55 | Gnea | secher: alias ls <-- does that return anything? |
| 01:04.59 | secher | Wyzard|TP: No, it happens with any wildcard search. |
| 01:05.02 | dragonfly | x-x-_ when you say i need to reconfigure my x did u mean xdm or xorg? |
| 01:05.17 | Silent_al | Gnea, you know what i mean .. |
| 01:05.33 | Wyzard|TP | secher: "type ls" -- it should say "ls is /bin/ls" |
| 01:05.35 | secher | Gnea: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 01:05.36 | Gnea | Silent_al: so i shud just blindlee help u? |
| 01:05.39 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: xorg. use update-rc.d and remove xdm |
| 01:05.40 | adlpaf | How can I install tomcat and netbeans??? |
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| 01:05.57 | Nopalin | Wyzard|TP: do you have configured your sata drive as sata or ide in the bios? |
| 01:06.11 | foampeac1 | are they going to implement bittorrent into the packaging system |
| 01:06.22 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: after that, reboot, now it shouldn't lock up since xdm will not start |
| 01:06.22 | Azar | foampeac1: I surely hope NOT |
| 01:06.24 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: why would they do that |
| 01:06.26 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: SATA |
| 01:06.29 | foampeac1 | apt-bittorrent or soething |
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| 01:06.31 | Gnea | Silent_al: apt-cache search filesystem resize |
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| 01:06.37 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: that would be dumb |
| 01:06.43 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: Actually, I'm not sure whether my BIOS even has such an option |
| 01:06.44 | dragonfly | ok, i did apt-get remove xdm |
| 01:06.47 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: what would not be dumb |
| 01:06.58 | Wyzard|TP | Nopalin: but it's recognized by the driver as a SATA drive |
| 01:07.00 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: apt-bittorrent would not be successful at all |
| 01:07.03 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: All I got is "Segmentation fault" ??? |
| 01:07.06 | dragonfly | then update-rc.d needs more parameters |
| 01:07.12 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 01:07.23 | Azar | foampeac1: bittorent has nothing to do with the Debian Linux Operating System, is not part of it and it should NOT be there |
| 01:07.29 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: if you removed xdm, don't need to run update-rc.d |
| 01:07.33 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: because (a) the packages are changing too frequently, and (b) people running servers don't want to have to seed |
| 01:07.36 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: dunno about that... I don't think I've ever seen modprobe segfault when trying to load something |
| 01:07.37 | Silent_al | Gnea,not fs resizing,but image(jpg,bmp) resizing .. thanx anyway |
| 01:07.39 | Silent_al | :) |
| 01:07.41 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: did you run depmod first? |
| 01:07.49 | snorre | yes |
| 01:07.49 | dragonfly | x-x-_ ok....then reboot? |
| 01:07.52 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: now reboot |
| 01:07.56 | Gnea | Silent_al: oh, see you didn't say that - imagemagick is what you want - convert is the command |
| 01:08.01 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: 1 day maybe |
| 01:08.03 | Nopalin | mi bios has 3 options, disable, auto (when there isn't ide drive, the sata is configured as ide), and manual (sata as sata) |
| 01:08.12 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: it gave no output though, should it? |
| 01:08.13 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: no. it would be optional, and nobody would do it. |
| 01:08.18 | Silent_al | Gnea, thats the one! thanx alot! |
| 01:08.23 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: after reboot start blackbox manually |
| 01:08.24 | Gnea | np |
| 01:08.27 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: bittorrent can't be faster than using the existing mirrors |
| 01:08.28 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: No output is normal |
| 01:08.38 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Try "depmod -ae" and see if it reports any errors |
| 01:08.44 | Gnea | cool, batteries are charged, time to go |
| 01:08.54 | Wyzard|TP | SerajewelKS: Sure it can |
| 01:08.54 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: the point is the bandwidth connservation maybe? |
| 01:09.14 | Wyzard|TP | bittorrent doesn't conserve any bandwith on your end |
| 01:09.17 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: not unless you're on 10Mbit or something |
| 01:09.19 | Wyzard|TP | It still has to download the entire file |
| 01:09.27 | flodine | why cant sarge see my ethernet card and ubuntu can wow help |
| 01:09.34 | foampeac1 | Wyzard|TP: free up corporate servers for faster internet |
| 01:09.48 | Wyzard|TP | But it conserves bandwidth on the mirrors -- the cdimage mirrors are often slow |
| 01:10.02 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: i assume that the people running mirrors know how much bandwidth they are using. and for the CD images there *are* torrents. |
| 01:10.05 | Wyzard|TP | flodine: I've seen that happen once before, but wasn't able to troubleshoot it because it was on someone else's computer |
| 01:10.12 | foampeac1 | a option for a use is a option |
| 01:10.15 | coywolf | how to find files created in an hour? |
| 01:10.42 | grew | flodine: probably because sarge doesnt have the driver for it loaded |
| 01:10.44 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: sometimes options are not good |
| 01:11.04 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: theres always options |
| 01:11.17 | flodine | well this is a sad day for me wanned to run debian but ubuntu must got most of the money for support |
| 01:11.27 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: of course, but integrating bittorrent into apt is a very bad option |
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| 01:11.41 | Wyzard|TP | SerajewelKS: Oh, I misunderstood... I wasn't following the conversation, and thought the torrents you were talking about *were* the ones for the isos |
| 01:11.45 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: for one thing it would require an extra daemon running to seed. for another thing, you would have to seed. |
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| 01:11.56 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: nope =) |
| 01:12.00 | dragonfly | x-x-_ when i run blackbox i get an error bt::Display: failed to open display '' |
| 01:12.20 | Wyzard|TP | flodine: I strongly doubt it's an issue of "money for support"... network drivers are part of the kernel, and Debian and Ubuntu both use the same kernel |
| 01:12.33 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: do you mind to use gdm? |
| 01:12.34 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: i could see it as a way for average users to lend bandwidth to the debian community |
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| 01:12.56 | flodine | Wyzard|T desbian is giving me 2.6.8 right |
| 01:12.58 | secher | Gnea: Wyzard|TP: I got rid of the alias, type ls returns "ls is hashed (/bin/ls), and I still get the invalid option. |
| 01:12.59 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: possibly... anyway if you want to see it done, code it and submit it to debian. |
| 01:13.14 | Wyzard|TP | flodine: Only if you say "linux26" at the CD's boot prompt... otherwise it boots 2.4 |
| 01:13.15 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: i doubt they'll accept it but you could always run an unofficial bittorrent mirror |
| 01:13.15 | foampeac1 | SerajewelKS: i dont know how to code |
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| 01:13.39 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: I tried modprobe again and this time it didn't say segmentaton fault or anything |
| 01:13.46 | SerajewelKS | foampeac1: with all due respect, the open-source community doesn't need new ideas. we have too many already. we need people to code the ideas we have. |
| 01:13.47 | dragonfly | x-x-_ i suppose i could...i just would prefer not too.....i think the issue is more my laptop monitor than it is xdm |
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| 01:13.57 | dragonfly | i wouldn't be surprised if gdm did the same thing |
| 01:13.58 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.12 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: lsmod | grep napa |
| 01:14.33 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: napa makes kernel modules now? |
| 01:14.47 | Wyzard|TP | flodine: That's not a huge difference... I doubt there are any network cards that are supported in 2.6.12 but not in 2.6.8 |
| 01:14.57 | Wyzard|TP | flodine: What kind of network card do you have, anyway? |
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| 01:15.20 | Wyzard|TP | SerajewelKS: it's a Promise FastTrak driver that he compiled |
| 01:15.33 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: reconfigure Xorg |
| 01:15.34 | flodine | Wyzard|T gigabit lan |
| 01:15.38 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: lsmod | grep napa |
| 01:15.38 | snorre | napa 262903 1 |
| 01:15.39 | snorre | scsi_mod 127748 4 napa,sr_mod,sd_mod,libata |
| 01:15.45 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: OK, the driver is loaded |
| 01:15.49 | secher | Wyzard|TP: doesn't ubuntu have ndiswrapper as a default in the detection process? could he possibly be getting ndis in U, but not in Debian? |
| 01:15.51 | Azar | there is a bug with Realtek cards, when installing with 2.6.x install with 2.4 then upgrade and remind modconf about your card |
| 01:16.16 | dragonfly | x-x-_ does xorg have a configuration wizard or where do i start? would i be best off just googling? |
| 01:16.18 | Wyzard|TP | secher: Good point, but apparently it's not a wireless card in this case |
| 01:16.26 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: how do I make sure it works, there are disks connected to the SATA controller (empty) |
| 01:16.39 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: xf86config |
| 01:16.47 | Wyzard|TP | flodine: "gigabit" is a pretty vague category... what model? |
| 01:17.03 | dragonfly | x-x-_ that works with xorg too or just the xfree86? |
| 01:17.36 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Well, check whether you can access those disks... mount them, if they already contain filesystems; otherwise run fdisk on them or something |
| 01:17.39 | Azar | Wyzard|TP: that was for you, flondine and whomever want to know |
| 01:17.43 | flodine | Wyzard|T intel 82573vor 82574v gigabit |
| 01:19.06 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: shouldn't I probe the disks first or something? |
| 01:19.09 | odla | dragonfly: do you have xorg or xfree86? |
| 01:19.19 | x-x-_ | dragonfly: oops, xorgconfig |
| 01:19.26 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: What do you mean by "probe" them? |
| 01:19.31 | odla | dragonfly: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:19.39 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: I don't know what their names are /dev/??? |
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| 01:20.18 | secher | Gnea: not meaning to bug, but this is a real PITA, I removed the alias, resourced the .bashrc, type ls returns "ls is hashed (/bin/ls) and I still get "invalid option --_" any other help you can offer? Google is fresh out of ideas. |
| 01:20.38 | x-x-_ | good night. off to bed |
| 01:20.47 | secher | Night. |
| 01:21.21 | flodine | let me ask this is anyone running a intel d955xbk board |
| 01:21.24 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Is this a SATA controller or a plain IDE controller? |
| 01:21.58 | secher | flodine: did you check the hardware compatibility list? |
| 01:22.08 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: i know, i was being silly =P |
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| 01:22.17 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: It's a 8-port SATA RAID controller |
| 01:22.40 | snorre | there are 8 SATA disks connected as one RAID5 image |
| 01:23.14 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: SATA support is part of the SCSI subsystem, so they'll be /dev/sd* devices |
| 01:23.19 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.47 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: If it's a true hardware RAID controller and it has one array configured, if you don't have any other SCSI or SATA controllers in the system, it should be /dev/sda |
| 01:24.28 | Azar | flodine: is that an Asus, MSI ? what kind of board it is? a VIA chipset? |
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| 01:24.46 | secher | flodine: how old is the board? Sarge, while stable is not 'cutting edge'. Ubuntu and Sid are more akin than U and Sarge. |
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| 01:25.10 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: fdisk /dev/sda1 |
| 01:25.10 | snorre | Unable to open /dev/sda1 |
| 01:25.19 | Azar | I guess you go better with ubuntu, there you do not need to know what is your PC made of |
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| 01:26.07 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: /dev/sda1 is a partition, not a whole-disk device... it won't exist unless the array actually contains partitions |
| 01:26.10 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Try /dev/sda |
| 01:26.26 | secher | In the statement "ls is hashed (/bin/ls)" what does "hashed" mean? |
| 01:26.29 | snorre | same there, unable to open |
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| 01:26.43 | snorre | how can I check if the controller works with this driver? |
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| 01:27.16 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: "modprobe sd_mod", then try it again |
| 01:27.51 | inetd | !themedepot |
| 01:28.00 | inetd | anyone know what happened to themedepot? |
| 01:28.17 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.20 | Deified | my xwin/fluxbox doesnt work :( |
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| 01:29.37 | secher | flodine: Ok, so you have a brand new mobo. Did you buy the mobo seperate or did it come with the machine? |
| 01:29.47 | secher | separate |
| 01:30.01 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.22 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.39 | secher | flodine: easy question: Did you buy the mobo separate or did it come with the machine, i.e. already installed? |
| 01:31.28 | secher | flodine? |
| 01:31.28 | flodine | it came together both i got on intels site |
| 01:31.55 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:32.07 | Wyzard|TP | If it's a brand-new type of NIC that was just recently released, it's less surprising if sarge doesn't support it |
| 01:32.22 | X-Bull | Debian is one of the most active channels |
| 01:32.24 | secher | flodine: let me rephrase that..... when you first looked at the mobo, was it already in a computer, or was it in a box all by itself? |
| 01:32.26 | Wyzard|TP | You could install a different NIC temporarily for the purpose of installing sarge and downloading updates, and then upgrade to a newer kernel |
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| 01:32.47 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: # modprobe sd_mod |
| 01:32.47 | snorre | # fdisk /dev/sda |
| 01:32.47 | snorre | Unable to open /dev/sda |
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| 01:33.12 | flodine | well intrl sent to me from there mothers box |
| 01:33.22 | flodine | new dude |
| 01:33.40 | tziku | somedody can help me with sams ? i installed all like in readme but when i want to join on http://site/xams apear Forbbiden :( |
| 01:33.55 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Run dmesg and look at the output... near the end there'll probably be some messages from the napa driver when it loaded |
| 01:34.01 | secher | flodine: so you installed your new mobo/cpu combo yourself. |
| 01:34.07 | X-Bull | damn the debian package management system should have been modeled after FreeBSD's |
| 01:34.11 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: See if it mentions any errors, or whether it mentions your drive |
| 01:34.27 | Wyzard|TP | X-Bull: Did you come here to troll? |
| 01:34.28 | flodine | yes sir |
| 01:34.38 | X-Bull | ummm what ? |
| 01:34.52 | flodine | should went with asus |
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| 01:35.11 | Wyzard|TP | X-Bull: Joining a Linux distro channel just to say it should be more like FreeBSD sounds like you're trolling |
| 01:35.15 | secher | flodine: i.e. connected all of the cables, mounted it in a case... Ok.. what's the model of the motherboard on the box, not the chipset. and yes, should have went with an asus.. but.. |
| 01:35.22 | X-Bull | if someone makes a suggestion people in here always claim it's trolling |
| 01:35.44 | shadows | ... |
| 01:35.54 | shadows | so there i was, walking down this hallw... |
| 01:36.01 | X-Bull | I'm not trolling |
| 01:36.03 | Wyzard|TP | X-Bull: If it's a "suggestion" made without any sort of supporting discussion, by someone who just joined the channel, yes |
| 01:36.21 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.23 | konfuzed | X-Bull: that wasnt a suggestion it was a complaint |
| 01:36.23 | dragonfly | x-x-_ ok, i finally got it configured...i think it's correct :-S |
| 01:36.26 | secher | X-Bull: stuff it. Far smarter people than you or I have spent many months and years desigingn Debian. |
| 01:36.33 | Deified | gui problem: i ran tasksel and installed desktop theme support, n then dselect and installed fluxbox ( desktop theme support, kdm, but it doesnt work, anyone know why? |
| 01:36.33 | dondelelcaro | X-Bull: our system predates the FreeBSD pkg_*; stuff as far as I know, and in any case it does quite a bit more. |
| 01:36.37 | shadows | dragonfly: :) |
| 01:36.44 | inetd | anyone know what happened to the themedeport.org site? |
| 01:37.02 | dragonfly | shadows: yes? |
| 01:37.04 | secher | flodine: did you google for "d944xbk debian"? |
| 01:37.13 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.19 | dondelelcaro | X-Bull: perhaps if you would actually give us an idea of what you're trying to do, we can tell you how to get the Debian package maintenance system to do that for you. |
| 01:37.20 | shadows | dragonfly: happy for you having something configured correctly |
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| 01:37.35 | shadows | no particular reason |
| 01:37.40 | secher | flodine: I'm not, I'm just trying to get some answers so I might be able to help you. |
| 01:37.56 | dragonfly | well, thank you...now i just need x-x-_ to reply with what he thinks I should do next |
| 01:38.23 | secher | dragonfly: x-x- went to bed.. about 10 minutes ago. |
| 01:38.33 | dragonfly | oh :-S |
| 01:39.36 | foo | I have a mount that froze. I can't umount it ... how can I stop a service so it could refresh? |
| 01:40.00 | Deified | i have a jensen skandinavia wlan card i want to get to work, ne idea's how? |
| 01:40.01 | flodine | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.01 | shadows | foo: erg, may require a reboot if a kernel module is poofed |
| 01:40.09 | X-Bull | dondelelcaro: I don't use Debian I use FreeBSD as my primary OS |
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| 01:40.18 | shadows | flodine: must be 2.6.12 or better |
| 01:40.24 | dondelelcaro | X-Bull: uh... then why are you complaining about the Debian packaging system? |
| 01:40.30 | Sonny | hi guy, have somebody edited the master boot with hexedit before? |
| 01:40.31 | flodine | thsx |
| 01:40.36 | flodine | later |
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| 01:40.42 | shadows | Sonny: you asked that already |
| 01:40.50 | shadows | hours ago |
| 01:40.52 | foo | shadows: bah, lame, I thought I restarted a service in the past and it worked. No? |
| 01:40.57 | Sonny | shodows: yep but nobody told me |
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| 01:41.00 | omi | Hey all, on linux, is it possible to force packets to leave through certain interface if they match by protocol or have lets say ACK set? |
| 01:41.14 | Sonny | I'm sorry shadows |
| 01:41.18 | shadows | Sonny: no one understands what you are asking? |
| 01:41.20 | dondelelcaro | omi: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:41.23 | omi | (I would have >1 NIC on the same network) |
| 01:41.27 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1678 |
| 01:41.31 | Sonny | ok I'll decorate it |
| 01:41.38 | dondelelcaro | omi: sounds like you need to see the lartc where it has an example of how to do that |
| 01:41.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell omi -about lartc |
| 01:41.44 | secher | flodine: get ready for an URL, directly from a search "d955xbk debian" http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-amd64@lists.debian.org/msg11224.html |
| 01:41.44 | shadows | foo: eh. i mean, if a kernel module gets zombie'd... if it's just a normal process that is hung, you could kill that |
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| 01:42.00 | Sonny | Have somebody fixed their master boot record using hexedit? |
| 01:42.00 | foo | shadows: bah, I'll try to turn the nfs server back on |
| 01:42.12 | omi | dondelelcaro, I'm trying to force different protocols to exit through different network cards , even though they are on the same network |
| 01:42.27 | shadows | foo: when NFS "hangs" as you say, it may very well be a hang. |
| 01:42.33 | shadows | same with SAMBA |
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| 01:42.53 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: That stuff at the end (all the "napa:" lines followed by "Oops: 0002") is your driver failing to load properly, and then crashing |
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| 01:43.01 | secher | flodine: I do not mean to be harsh, but that search took all of fifteen seconds. Before you come here, be sure you've done your homework. I do not mean to be harsh, so please forgive me if I come across as such. |
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| 01:43.34 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: Are you the same person who was asking about that earlier? |
| 01:43.43 | shadows | we need like a #how-to-search-for-stuff-and-find-it |
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| 01:44.04 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: What should I do now then? |
| 01:44.08 | Sonny | Wyzard|TP: yep, do you know how to do that? |
| 01:44.18 | secher | flodine: why the title is amd64 I have no idea, but the message itself references and Intel CPU. |
| 01:44.25 | secher | s/and/an/ |
| 01:44.29 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: Because I was the one who told you not to do that |
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| 01:44.38 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: You've fixed your partition table now, right? |
| 01:45.28 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: Complain to Promise for not providing better documentation of what kernels their driver supports, I guess |
| 01:45.30 | secher | now back to my issue: why is it that when I try |
| 01:45.43 | Sonny | Wyzard|TP: It seems to do that but when I try to install XP it stucks at the 20% formatting the hard disk, and debian simply freezes |
| 01:46.23 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: The fact that your MBR got corrupted in the first place indicates something's wrong... have you done a badblocks scan on the drive? |
| 01:46.34 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: It could be that the drive is just dying |
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| 01:47.04 | secher | ls *.txt ( or any wildcard for that matter ) I get 'ls: invalid option --_'? I've removed the aliases, 'type ls' returns 'ls is hashed (/bin/ls)', so what's the prollem? |
| 01:47.06 | Sonny | Wyzard|TP: How can I scan my hard disk? the badblocks? |
| 01:47.43 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: There's a program you can install called "badblocks"... but even better would be to download the diagnostic tool from the drive manufacturer's website, because that'll do a more thorough analysis |
| 01:48.18 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: It'll come in the form of a bootable floppy or CD image |
| 01:48.31 | secher | Hurmph.. apt-file search does not return a result for ls........ |
| 01:48.46 | Sonny | Wyzard|TP: I think I have badblocks here in my live cd |
| 01:48.53 | snorre | Wyzard|TP: Ok, I'll do that. Thanks for all your help! :) |
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| 01:49.09 | Wyzard|TP | Sonny: Use badblocks if you want, but I'd recommend using the manufacturer's diagnostic tool |
| 01:49.16 | shadows | secher: try 'alias' |
| 01:49.37 | Wyzard|TP | snorre: If you want to be persistent, try compiling it against some other kernels, I guess |
| 01:49.39 | secher | shadows: nothing. |
| 01:49.44 | shadows | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.02 | dragonfly | with my xorg...i get a fatal server error: No valid FontPath could be found |
| 01:50.03 | shadows | well something tells your /bin/ls that it wants an argument, apparently |
| 01:50.11 | VolVE | hey all, why does grep error out when I do: grep -i '-l' ? A dash shouldn't need to be escaped should it ?! :( |
| 01:50.11 | shadows | dragonfly: known migration bug |
| 01:50.33 | shadows | i think the fix was to re-build your xf86config |
| 01:50.38 | shadows | in that case, xorg.conf |
| 01:50.42 | dragonfly | migration bug??? i'm not migrating |
| 01:50.51 | Wyzard|TP | VolVE: grep -i -- '-l' |
| 01:50.53 | Sonny | Wyzard|TP: thanks, I just download the manufacter tool, its hard to find then when its a laptop |
| 01:51.04 | comsa | , |
| 01:51.07 | dragonfly | and i just did xorgconf |
| 01:51.16 | shadows | how about X -configure |
| 01:51.23 | hollywoodstar | how do I make a folder ? |
| 01:51.30 | shadows | mkdir folder |
| 01:51.33 | hollywoodstar | thx |
| 01:51.35 | VolVE | Wyzard|TP: thanks, does -- stop grep from interpreting then? |
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| 01:51.42 | shadows | they're called 'directories' in unix speak |
| 01:51.45 | shadows | not folders |
| 01:51.48 | hollywoodstar | ok :) |
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| 01:52.16 | dragonfly | shadows: what is the command for x -configure? |
| 01:52.23 | shadows | X -configure |
| 01:52.37 | shadows | starts the X server's inbuilt configuration routine |
| 01:52.43 | dragonfly | ahhh capital x |
| 01:52.45 | Wyzard|TP | VolVE: Yes... grep doesn't know or care about the single quotes (they're stripped away by the shell), and it just sees "grep -i -l" |
| 01:52.45 | shadows | and spits out a basic config file that should work |
| 01:53.01 | VolVE | gotcha |
| 01:53.02 | VolVE | thanks |
| 01:53.07 | Wyzard|TP | VolVE: The "--" tells grep that this is the end of the options, and everything that follows is not an option even if it begins with a dash |
| 01:53.12 | secher | can someone running Sid give me the bytecount of their /bin/ls? |
| 01:53.17 | Wyzard|TP | VolVE: many other programs support "--" too |
| 01:53.24 | Wyzard|TP | secher: 76872 |
| 01:53.25 | secher | s/bytecount/byte size/ |
| 01:53.25 | dragonfly | Missing output drivers. Configuration failed. |
| 01:53.33 | secher | Same as mine.. fsck. |
| 01:53.36 | VolVE | Wyzard|TP: interesting, much obligied :) |
| 01:53.39 | Wyzard|TP | secher: md5sum is c89ace0ee653a3bddee55c5e194b17b1 |
| 01:53.58 | dondelelcaro | secher: you can figure it out; check md5sum, and /var/lib/dpkg/info/coreutils.list |
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| 01:54.19 | dondelelcaro | s/list/md5sums/ |
| 01:54.33 | secher | md5sum is spot on. |
| 01:54.51 | shadows | secher: what happens when you use /bin/ls |
| 01:54.54 | shadows | instead of merely ls |
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| 01:55.02 | secher | dondelelcaro: ahah, thanks. |
| 01:55.08 | Azar | hmm is there a nethack gui as well? I read people writing about it.. egoboo does not work well on my PC |
| 01:55.37 | shadows | Azar: i think gnomehack is one |
| 01:55.50 | Azar | shadows, ah I see.. thanks |
| 01:55.51 | dragonfly | shadows: the last line before my command prompt is "Missing output drivers. Configuration failed." |
| 01:55.59 | Wyzard|TP | Azar: There is, but IMO the text interface looks nicer... the graphical one uses ugly 16x16 tiles |
| 01:56.03 | pde_was_stolen | Has anyone else had trouble with module-assistant under 2.6.15? |
| 01:56.07 | dondelelcaro | Azar: falconseye may be another one |
| 01:56.09 | Wyzard|TP | Azar: And I prefer ToME over Nethack anyway :-) |
| 01:56.10 | shadows | dragonfly: heh heh heh. nice |
| 01:56.20 | secher | shadows: wierd, /bin/ls ./*.txt lists all of the .txt files, however /bin/ls *.txt gives me the invalid option error.. _strange_ |
| 01:56.23 | shadows | dragonfly: try running it without X open anywhere |
| 01:56.24 | pde_was_stolen | Trying to build alsa and thinkpad modules, they work fine under 2.6.12 but both fail with 1.6.15 |
| 01:56.30 | shadows | dragonfly: be sure to be root uid |
| 01:56.31 | pde_was_stolen | s/1/2 |
| 01:56.35 | dondelelcaro | secher: uh... do you have a file named - in there? |
| 01:56.37 | Azar | I am only using openbox, no kde or gnome, so I guess I can sit with the text one |
| 01:56.43 | shadows | secher: not strange |
| 01:56.49 | dondelelcaro | secher: try /bin/ls -- *.txt |
| 01:56.55 | Wyzard|TP | pde_was_stolen: Why are you building out-of-tree ALSA modules on 2.6.15? |
| 01:56.57 | Azar | dondelecaro, falconseye requires kde or gnome? |
| 01:57.05 | shadows | secher: you fool! (i'm joking) the shell is expanding all the options you give |
| 01:57.10 | pde_was_stolen | Wyzard: there may be no good reason for that :) |
| 01:57.13 | dondelelcaro | Azar: sdl, actually... |
| 01:57.18 | shadows | so *.txt probably includes a file that is named "some -- crapy file.txt" |
| 01:57.23 | secher | dondelelcaro, worked beautifully. |
| 01:57.26 | shadows | or something that ls doesn't like |
| 01:57.38 | Azar | dondelecaro I see.. |
| 01:57.42 | Wyzard|TP | pde_was_stolen: I have thinkpad-modules on 2.6.15, but I built it manually using make-kpkg, not with module-assistant |
| 01:57.43 | pde_was_stolen | Wyzard: might thinkpad be useless too? |
| 01:57.46 | secher | OOOHHH>.... !!! THANKS!!! |
| 01:58.01 | shadows | secher: for the same reason i always quote arguments to the find command |
| 01:58.04 | dondelelcaro | secher: exactly, you've got a file named -foo or something. use ls|grep txt$; or find . -type f -iname '*.txt' -maxdepth 1; or whatever |
| 01:58.23 | shadows | remember, find --iname '*.txt' and _never_ find --iname *.txt |
| 01:58.24 | Wyzard|TP | secher: I suggested an hour ago that your problem might be a ".txt" file with a nasty name :-) |
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| 01:58.49 | dragonfly | shadows: how do i exit x? my F7 is just black with the _ curser in the top left corner....I am root |
| 01:58.51 | shadows | Wyzard|TP: it took an hour for that to sink in |
| 01:58.54 | shadows | not bad for a n00b |
| 01:58.56 | ultraviolet16 | what is a dummy package? |
| 01:59.04 | shadows | i've seen it take years on other n00bs |
| 01:59.06 | secher | dondelelcaro, shadows, Wyzard|TP: found it.. Thank you all very much.. |
| 01:59.15 | shadows | dragonfly: oh |
| 01:59.23 | shadows | dragonfly: ALT+F1 ? |
| 01:59.23 | Wyzard|TP | ultraviolet16: It's a package which doesn't actually contain anything, and exists just to cause other packages to be installed as dependencies |
| 01:59.27 | secher | Wyzard|TP: I must have missed that.. sorry, and thanks again. |
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| 01:59.35 | ultraviolet16 | Wyzard|TP: ah ok, thanks. |
| 01:59.40 | dragonfly | ALT+F1 is the one I'm logged in as root on |
| 01:59.47 | dragonfly | that is wehre i have been doing everything |
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| 01:59.50 | ultraviolet16 | i'm trying to install something needs libx11.. what package can I find that in? |
| 01:59.51 | ^CeSaR^ | how can i installl gnome on my debian?? |
| 01:59.52 | shadows | dragonfly: actually, i'm kind of confused. okay so you want to killall display managers or instances of X11 |
| 01:59.58 | shadows | dragonfly: *then* you run X -configure |
| 01:59.59 | Wyzard|TP | ultraviolet16: They're typically used for migration when a package is renamed -- the old name will exist as a dummy package which depends on the new one, so people upgrading will get the new one installed automatically |
| 02:00.06 | shadows | and it will spit out a config file in your dir |
| 02:00.14 | dvs | !tell ^CeSaR^ about install gnome |
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| 02:00.38 | dragonfly | ok, but what is the kill command? i thought it was xkill but that just gives me xkill: unable to open display "" |
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| 02:01.35 | Wyzard|TP | dragonfly: "kill" kills a process by its PID; xkill lets you click on a window in X and causes the owner of that window to be disconnected from the X server |
| 02:02.02 | ^CeSaR^ | how can i use gnome? =S i have rebooted my debian and it is still on text-mode |
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| 02:02.27 | shadows | dragonfly: and killall lets you kill things with extreme prejudice |
| 02:02.30 | ultraviolet16 | ^CeSaR^: you did apt-get install gnome? |
| 02:02.30 | shadows | by name |
| 02:02.43 | ^CeSaR^ | ultraviolet16: yes |
| 02:02.44 | shadows | combine killall with IBM ViaVoice for some good times |
| 02:02.55 | dr_doom | ^CeSaR^, i would use tasksel and install desktop environment |
| 02:02.57 | ultraviolet16 | ok try typing startx in the terminal |
| 02:03.13 | shadows | "computer, killall irssi" |
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| 02:03.17 | dragonfly | in top i don't see x or xorg or anything like that so how do i find the pid to kill? |
| 02:03.18 | ultraviolet16 | ^CeSaR^: ^^ |
| 02:03.23 | ^CeSaR^ | unknown command :S! |
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| 02:03.49 | dvs | ^CeSaR^: startx |
| 02:03.51 | lexhider | how do I change what x-terminal-emulator points to? |
| 02:04.00 | pde_was_stolen | Wyzard: trying make-kpkg, the damn thing is complaining about kimagedest.... seems like a kernel-package bug |
| 02:04.02 | jhowe | does anyone know if it's possible to use some program like kdevelop to create a windows executable? |
| 02:04.09 | pde_was_stolen | (upgrading) |
| 02:04.19 | jhowe | i'm new to c++ |
| 02:04.22 | Wyzard|TP | dragonfly: ps -ef | grep X |
| 02:04.28 | ultraviolet16 | ^CeSaR^: how did you install debian..? |
| 02:04.38 | Wyzard|TP | dragonfly: ##c++ would be a better place to ask that |
| 02:04.44 | jhowe | sweet |
| 02:04.49 | ^CeSaR^ | ultraviolet16: apt-get install gnome |
| 02:04.57 | Wyzard|TP | dragonfly: oops, that was meant for jhowe |
| 02:05.01 | jhowe | i figured |
| 02:05.02 | dr_doom | ^CeSaR^, no tasksel - are you shitting me? |
| 02:05.05 | Wyzard|TP | jhowe: ##c++ would be a better place to ask that |
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| 02:05.10 | ultraviolet16 | ^CeSaR^: debian.. not gnome |
| 02:05.11 | dvs | It ain't Debian |
| 02:05.15 | ^CeSaR^ | sorry.. |
| 02:05.19 | ^CeSaR^ | on a VM. |
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| 02:05.22 | jhowe | i'll check it out |
| 02:05.24 | deadcat | dr_doom: i dont have tasksel either |
| 02:05.48 | Wyzard|TP | You can uninstall tasksel manually, but AFAIK it's always there after a normal installation finishes |
| 02:05.50 | dr_doom | r u at root? |
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| 02:06.04 | mdupont | hi all, anyone use gcc, specifically gcj, who can give me some help on what packages are needed to use classpath and link on debian? |
| 02:06.10 | deadcat | !u |
| 02:06.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:06.34 | dr_doom | dpkg, f u |
| 02:06.49 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: I *think* GCJ uses Classpath by default, but I'm not sure... I don't have much experience with either |
| 02:07.01 | pde_was_stolen | Wyzard: it was this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342256 |
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| 02:07.25 | mdupont | well, what packages do i need, there are so many different packages? |
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| 02:07.49 | dragonfly | is there a way to see farther down the list in top? |
| 02:07.57 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: apt-get install gcj |
| 02:08.03 | markybob | how do i tell bash to delete a file if the file hasnt been modified in x number of months? |
| 02:08.13 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: That might be all you need |
| 02:08.15 | deadcat | markybob: find |
| 02:08.31 | mdupont | libgcj-common, for exampl |
| 02:08.45 | markybob | deadcat: smart. thanks. |
| 02:08.45 | mdupont | Wyzard, what about 4.0? |
| 02:09.13 | ^CeSaR^ | so, can i use gnome on a virtual machine??? |
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| 02:09.19 | mdupont | Wyzard, i will give it a try |
| 02:09.21 | mdupont | thanks |
| 02:09.24 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: Version 4 of the GCC suite is currently only in the unstable branch (and maybe testing; I'm not sure) |
| 02:09.27 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: It's not in sarge |
| 02:09.35 | mdupont | yes, i am on unstable. |
| 02:09.47 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: Then "gcj" depends on "gcj-4.0" |
| 02:09.52 | mdupont | the gcj is resolving to 4.0 |
| 02:09.54 | mdupont | great! |
| 02:10.31 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: The reason you install "gcj" is so that in the future, when a new version comes along, that dependency will be updated -- so then "gcj" depends on "gcj-4.1" or whatever and that gets installed automatically |
| 02:11.18 | ^CeSaR^ | set up x |
| 02:11.42 | Wyzard|TP | ^CeSaR^: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 02:12.02 | ^CeSaR^ | thanks |
| 02:12.22 | comsa | , |
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| 02:16.53 | ^CeSaR^ | wa.. this is a nice server.. thanks!!! |
| 02:17.38 | deadcat | postfix in unstable is being changed every freakin day |
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| 02:18.54 | EZgun | hey. i'm having some trouble installing Sarge on a G3 iMac. |
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| 02:19.09 | Wyzard|TP | heh |
| 02:19.17 | deadcat | EZgun: more specific please. that dont help shit |
| 02:19.24 | Wyzard|TP | I've installed Debian on iBook once, but that was years ago... I don't remember details |
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| 02:19.30 | EZgun | well, actually i have it all installed. and it even... deadcat i was getting to it, mang. |
| 02:19.46 | EZgun | it even boots, up to the point where gnome takes over, then the screen goes blank. |
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| 02:20.02 | deadcat | EZgun: video card config then. |
| 02:20.05 | Wyzard|TP | EZgun: Did you specify a busID for your video card? |
| 02:20.18 | EZgun | aye, but how do i change that now? i can't seem to boot into console. |
| 02:20.20 | Wyzard|TP | EZgun: I've read that that's necessary on a Mac even when you only have one video card, though I don't know why |
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| 02:20.38 | deadcat | EZgun: linux single at the yaboot prompt |
| 02:20.42 | Wyzard|TP | EZgun: Put "single" on the kernel options line in your bootloader |
| 02:21.09 | EZgun | aye, thanks guys. i'll see if i can get this working. |
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| 02:22.24 | DaveLib | i have been trying to get a package from etch (package: tomboy) to install into my sarge system |
| 02:22.44 | ^CeSaR^ | thnaks guys see you later |
| 02:22.51 | dvs | DaveLib: Use backports |
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| 02:23.00 | DaveLib | 1st thing was i tried a simple install with synaptic... |
| 02:23.17 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: that's not likely to be a simple one, since it depends on Mono, which is a large piece of software |
| 02:23.20 | DaveLib | dvs: ok yes dvs backports was the last thing i tried |
| 02:23.30 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: As dvs said, you'd be better off looking for a backport meant specifically for sarge |
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| 02:23.34 | EZgun | say, my video card config is in xorg.conf, yeah |
| 02:23.54 | DaveLib | i came here for help to #debian yesterday and guerin gave me advice about backports |
| 02:23.57 | deadcat | EZgun: cool. that was fast |
| 02:24.03 | Wyzard|TP | EZgun: XF86Config-4 on sarge; xorg.conf on testing and unstable |
| 02:24.22 | EZgun | nah i'm not THAT quick :P thanks wyzard |
| 02:24.31 | secher | Hrm.. It's Saturday night, my daughter is at her mothers, my girlfriend is at *her* mothers, I"ve got cash in my pocket, and there's a Cajun bar 4 blocks away with live music and Guiness on tap. WTF am I doing here? |
| 02:24.36 | DaveLib | i wanted to install 2 packages: celestia-gnome from sid and tomboy from etch |
| 02:24.49 | dvs | secher: You're insane? |
| 02:24.56 | DaveLib | i got the celestia backport to work into my sarge |
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| 02:25.35 | DaveLib | i followed the instructions from /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:26.27 | DaveLib | but when i tried to do the same thing for tomboy ie the backport the dpkg builddebs step said there were missing libraries |
| 02:26.45 | SoNiKu | first day on debian and I'm already banging my head on my desk :-/ |
| 02:26.59 | deadcat | thats not good |
| 02:27.01 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: "simple sid backport" is just that, simple -- it won't work if the dependencies have changed significantly between the versions |
| 02:27.08 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: which is fairly likely with Mono |
| 02:27.35 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: see if you can find a backport of etch's version of Mono |
| 02:27.43 | secher | SoNiKu: give it a couple of months, by then the calluses will have formed and it won't hurt as much. <grin> |
| 02:27.54 | DaveLib | wyzard|TP : thanks for info |
| 02:28.02 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: "simple sid backport" is more likely to work if you're already running etch's Mono, if you can't find a "real" backport of Tomboy itself |
| 02:28.30 | DaveLib | so when i do the apt-get 's from those instructions arent those supposed to trace back dependencies? |
| 02:28.34 | SoNiKu | i'm doing a similar xplanner setup as I've done on Fedora systems before- can't guarantee the versions are the same on the various packages, but I'm having a mysql issue- it seems i'm refusing connections on port 3306 except from localhost, and I haven't done anything with iptables- it perplexes me |
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| 02:29.36 | SoNiKu | does debian use some other firewall something other than iptables? |
| 02:29.40 | DaveLib | there is a tar file for tomboy at the tomboy site is ot worthwhile to try installing that to /usr/local ? |
| 02:29.54 | adlpaf | how can I install prolog??? |
| 02:29.59 | deadcat | SoNiKu: thats more a linux thing. what you have in mind? |
| 02:30.06 | deadcat | !tell adlpaf about search |
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| 02:30.28 | Wyzard|TP | SoNiKu: iptables is the kernel facility which actually does the packet filtering... packages like FireHOL and Shorewall are convenience tools that generate iptables rules from a more human-readable policy that you specify |
| 02:30.40 | mdupont | Wyzard, it works, thanks! |
| 02:30.47 | deadcat | heard guarddog is a nice gui for firewall |
| 02:30.55 | Wyzard|TP | SoNiKu: All Linux "firewall programs" are actually frontends for generating iptables rules |
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| 02:31.49 | DaveLib | actually i also have another avenue with tomboy an earlier day i came here to #debian and xoz suggested i debootstrap a minimal sid install to /sid/ and chroot to it |
| 02:31.51 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: cool :-) |
| 02:31.59 | SoNiKu | yea, that's what I figured- i've always done my own iptables by hand and currently they're just accepting everything since I haven't bothered yet and am safe behind a router/firewall |
| 02:32.03 | Wyzard|TP | mdupont: BTW, Debian's Eclipse packages do work on GCJ/Classpath... |
| 02:32.28 | DaveLib | this was when i still wanted both tomboy and celestia and celestia is in sid |
| 02:32.36 | mdupont | great |
| 02:32.49 | Wyzard|TP | SoNiKu: It's good to know how to write iptables rules by hand, but trying to build an actual robust firewall that way is tedious and error-prone |
| 02:32.50 | mdupont | i am trying to compile some RDF stuff.. pellet |
| 02:32.56 | Wyzard|TP | SoNiKu: I'd suggest taking a look at FireHOL |
| 02:33.14 | DaveLib | anyway the plan was to install the packages into sid in /sid and make those X clients talk to my X server from sarge in / |
| 02:33.39 | SoNiKu | if i "telnet localhost 3306" on 192.168.250.4 (debian) i see the mysqld talking, if i do "telnet 192.168.250.4 3306" from another host it refuses the connection |
| 02:33.46 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Running sid in a chroot? |
| 02:33.49 | DaveLib | so i tried that and i did get tomboy partially working: it starts and the core functionality is ok |
| 02:34.03 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: That'd work, though it's a bit inconvenient |
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| 02:34.29 | DaveLib | wyzard|TP: yes i made directory /sid/ and i debootrap sid into /sid/ |
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| 02:34.43 | DaveLib | then i did chroot /sid tomboy |
| 02:34.47 | Wyzard|TP | SoNiKu: Sounds like your mysqld is only listening on 127.0.0.1, and not on your actual network interface |
| 02:35.05 | DaveLib | well i chrooted to /sid and did apt-get there for tomboy |
| 02:35.09 | markybob | how can i tell bash to compare dates? something like if jan 28 2001 is seven months older than sep 29 2001, then foo. any ideas? cant find anything in the tutorials. just "-ot", which doesnt help cuz i'm not comparing which file is older than the other. |
| 02:35.43 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: You'll also want to do "mount --bind /proc /sid/proc", and if you use a 2.6 kernel, "mount --bind /sys /sid/sys", and if you use udev, "mount --bind /dev /sid/dev" |
| 02:35.57 | DaveLib | so with that tomboy in /sid by chroot i can make it start |
| 02:36.24 | stomrider | it's possible to make amsn transparent? |
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| 02:36.28 | DaveLib | wyzard|TP: ok i think you are giving me new info i didnt have before |
| 02:36.50 | DaveLib | i did an fstab: mount proc /sid/proc |
| 02:36.53 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: That makes those filesystems from outside your chroot appear inside it as well |
| 02:37.07 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: That'd work too, instead of using --bind |
| 02:37.24 | DaveLib | wyzard|tp: yes i also did mount --bind /tmp /sid/tmp |
| 02:37.37 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: I'd recommend mounting /sid/sys too if you use a 2.6 kernel, though I doubt that'd make a difference for tomboy |
| 02:37.43 | deadcat | markybob: you create a file now, and tell find to compare that to the files you are searching |
| 02:37.45 | DaveLib | the tmp bind: was to let the X client talk to the X server |
| 02:37.54 | Wyzard|TP | makes sense |
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| 02:38.11 | DaveLib | wyzard|tp: yes i am using the 2.6 kernel |
| 02:38.23 | anapivirtua | night all |
| 02:38.36 | DaveLib | wyzard|tp: so mount --bind /sys /sid/sys ? |
| 02:38.45 | Amarande | wait, you have to run sid to use 2.6? |
| 02:38.47 | markybob | deadcat: not files this time. |
| 02:38.57 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Or just put it in fstab like you did with /sid/proc |
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| 02:39.01 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: no |
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| 02:39.23 | DaveLib | amarande: no, i am also running sarge over the 2.6 kernel |
| 02:39.42 | deadcat | markybob: ya. you compare the new file with the files you want to delete. just tell find to check they are x days older than the new file |
| 02:40.00 | DaveLib | amarande: the reason i am installing a chrooted sid is i want an app that seems to have problems running in sarge |
| 02:40.02 | markybob | deadcat: different problem now. i'm not talking about files to delete anymore. |
| 02:40.33 | DaveLib | wyzard: what would be the specifc fstab line to put in for sys ? |
| 02:40.57 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Just copy the proc one and replace "proc" with "sys" |
| 02:41.10 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: /sys is a virtual filesystem just like /proc |
| 02:41.37 | DaveLib | wyzard: thanks just for my general knowledge: what is sys? i do know abt proc as a virtual filesystem |
| 02:41.43 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: oh... sorry, the type column would be "sysfs", not "sys" |
| 02:41.54 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
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| 02:42.19 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: take a look in /sys and browse around... it's mostly information about your hardware |
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| 02:42.48 | DaveLib | ahh thts nice to know re sys |
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| 02:43.15 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: "hal-device-manager" uses it, for example (though I'm not sure whether that's available in sarge |
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| 02:43.28 | gahan | is there a way to grab php4 4.4.0-4 packages for testing dist? |
| 02:43.28 | DaveLib | wyzard: i just called up my fstab to view which includes the base version from the sarge install |
| 02:43.56 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: It's typically not mentioned in fstab... it gets mounted automatically by one of the startup scripts, I believe |
| 02:44.00 | DaveLib | wyzard: my original fstab doesnt have anythign about the original /sys |
| 02:44.21 | DaveLib | ahh ok wyzard |
| 02:44.26 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
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| 02:44.53 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Actually, the /proc entry probably isn't strictly necessary either, for the same reason |
| 02:45.08 | DaveLib | wyzard: so i will tell you specically what isnt working in the chtrooted tomboy |
| 02:45.36 | DaveLib | because that might be a clue as to what is missing |
| 02:46.22 | DaveLib | there is an option to view the prefences profile or something a menu option |
| 02:46.48 | DaveLib | i click on that tomboy tries to launch nautilus but fails |
| 02:47.05 | DaveLib | namely it says it was unable to contact the gnome session maanager |
| 02:47.10 | Wyzard|TP | Do you mean preferences, or "open plugins folder" ? |
| 02:47.12 | DaveLib | i am running gnome |
| 02:47.32 | DaveLib | wyzard yes that is it i think plugins |
| 02:47.34 | Wyzard|TP | The plugins folder opens in Nautilus, so I guess that's what you mean |
| 02:47.43 | DaveLib | yes i think that was it |
| 02:48.12 | DaveLib | anyway before tomboy i was trying celestia from chroot |
| 02:48.35 | DaveLib | and ceelstia-gnome had the same error message re session manager |
| 02:48.57 | DaveLib | but celestia-glut got past that point and started that early part ok |
| 02:49.16 | Miesco | Is it possible to use mutt with a directory like ~/mail instead of mbox file |
| 02:49.29 | DaveLib | so there seems to be a problem about running gnome apps when general X apps are ok |
| 02:49.32 | stomrider | hi, i'm looking for a wallpaper that i saw once in kdelook.org. It looks like a room, it's all blue and have debians logo in the middle of it? Can someone tell me the name of it? |
| 02:49.53 | DaveLib | anyway that is one problem with tomboy |
| 02:49.54 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: The manpage for gnome-session mentions a SESSION_MANAGER environment variable which is used by clients to contact the session manager |
| 02:50.20 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: and "printenv SESSION_MANAGER" in a gnome-terminal yields "local/shion:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3539" |
| 02:50.31 | deadcat | stomrider: nope |
| 02:50.48 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: You've bind-mounted /tmp so your chroot has access to the socket file, but you probably don't have that variable set so your apps don't know where to find the socket |
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| 02:51.04 | DaveLib | ok i just did echo $SESSION_MANAGER and got something like that |
| 02:51.26 | jjb123 | Hi, can some one please tell me how to switch my GUI from gnome to KDE? |
| 02:51.27 | DaveLib | its ok to paste one line of output here right? |
| 02:51.32 | Wyzard|TP | yeah |
| 02:51.37 | Wyzard|TP | I think the policy is three or less |
| 02:51.52 | deadcat | jjb123: install kde and if you are using a display manager, click on session to select kde |
| 02:51.55 | Wyzard|TP | The actual value of SESSION_MANAGER doesn't really matter though |
| 02:52.03 | Wyzard|TP | You just need to arrange for it to be set within your chroot |
| 02:52.05 | stomrider | deadcat ok :( i'll keep looking |
| 02:52.06 | EZgun | does there happen to be a tool i can use to find out what i should set my monitor to? |
| 02:52.22 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
| 02:52.29 | deadcat | stomrider: ya. asking about a background image in a channel doesnt really help.. even if it has a debian logo |
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| 02:52.38 | DaveLib | let me check that variable in chroot justasec |
| 02:52.42 | Wyzard|TP | I'm not sure how to tell chroot to pass environment variables through |
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| 02:53.01 | Wyzard|TP | but as a test, you could run a chroot shell, set the variable manually, and then run tomboy |
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| 02:53.45 | stomrider | deadcat i found it --->http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6106 but the link to the pic is broken :( |
| 02:53.51 | md5sum | !moo |
| 02:53.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:53.52 | Wyzard|TP | "all blue and with Debian's logo in the middle"... that makes me think of debblue |
| 02:54.00 | DaveLib | i got a value like that from root in a shell chrooting into /sid |
| 02:54.06 | jjb123 | thank you |
| 02:54.20 | deadcat | stomrider: good for you.. thats one ugly image (= |
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| 02:54.36 | Wyzard|TP | It's a lot less ugly than debblue :-) |
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| 02:55.10 | stomrider | Can someone tell me what means signal 11? I can't open Konsole anymore, it says it then session was finalized with signal 11 |
| 02:55.29 | Gnea | !sig11 |
| 02:55.30 | dpkg | it has been said that sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 02:55.56 | DaveLib | here is the var from chroot: /tmp/.ICE-unix/3879 |
| 02:56.18 | Wyzard|TP | And it's the same value as outside the chroot? |
| 02:56.34 | DaveLib | yes i just checked my / value same |
| 02:56.41 | Wyzard|TP | dunno then |
| 02:56.56 | Wyzard|TP | You could run it under strace and see if it's failing to open the socket or something |
| 02:57.07 | DaveLib | anyway i will tell you the 2nd tomboy problem |
| 02:57.26 | DaveLib | hey wait tho maybe your /sys comment earlier is something |
| 02:57.37 | DaveLib | let me try listing /sid/sys |
| 02:57.44 | Wyzard|TP | Actually, since only root can chroot, presumably you're running tomboy as root |
| 02:57.54 | Wyzard|TP | maybe it's just that other users aren't allowed to connect to your session socket |
| 02:58.03 | DaveLib | yes i am: root in /sid chroot |
| 02:58.20 | Wyzard|TP | Try su'ing back to your normal user account within the chroot |
| 02:58.41 | DaveLib | i copied my dave (my nonroot account) .Xauthority to root inside chroot with xauth command |
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| 02:58.57 | Wyzard|TP | That's a separate issue from connecting to the session socket |
| 02:58.59 | Daveman | me? |
| 02:59.12 | DaveLib | my tomboy run by root in chroot it is able to open X windows |
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| 02:59.27 | Wyzard|TP | Again, that's a separate issue from connecting to the session socket |
| 02:59.28 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
| 02:59.43 | DaveLib | ok i will su dave in chroot and try tomboy again |
| 03:00.02 | Wyzard|TP | The session socket has nothing to do with X... it just so happens that the two programs talking to each other over the socket each happen to be also displaying X windows, but that's irrelevant to the socket |
| 03:00.11 | DaveLib | does it matter should i su - dave to make it a login shell? |
| 03:00.35 | Wyzard|TP | shouldn't matter, as long as SESSION_MANAGER is set correctly |
| 03:00.47 | DaveLib | ok justasec |
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| 03:01.58 | nichos | hi all - is there a stand alone component for just the editor or anjuta? |
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| 03:02.11 | nichos | i dont need the whole ID, but I like the highlighting, etc in anjuta |
| 03:02.14 | apacker | apt |
| 03:02.17 | nichos | something like kate |
| 03:03.30 | ignored | nichos, use vi ? |
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| 03:03.50 | nichos | ignored the point is to get code folding, etc |
| 03:03.58 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:04.02 | nichos | ignored im leaving vi currently:) |
| 03:04.07 | ignored | nichos, really usefull |
| 03:04.13 | Guerin | you're leaving vi for kate???! |
| 03:04.14 | ignored | nichos, vi |
| 03:04.20 | nichos | ignored really helpful |
| 03:04.29 | nichos | Guerin im looking around |
| 03:04.38 | ft | vim does folding... |
| 03:04.42 | ignored | Guerin, Hi can not use vi, it's sure |
| 03:04.51 | nichos | ft really? |
| 03:05.01 | ft | yes |
| 03:05.07 | deadcat | ft: whats folding? |
| 03:05.17 | ignored | nichos, try 'vimtutor' |
| 03:05.19 | Guerin | that's the thing about real editors, as opposed to IDEs - they can do anything their programmers need them to do |
| 03:05.28 | jjb123 | can someone please tell me how to adjust my screen resolution, it is at 800x600 but I have a 19 inch lcd monitor and I have ran at 1024x720 before on the same computer. I am in KDE, I already looked at the display options and it say 800x600 is the highest possible |
| 03:05.35 | Daveman | Hi Wyzard |
| 03:05.35 | nichos | ignored i assume you meant to type "he" |
| 03:05.39 | Guerin | !drxx jjb123 |
| 03:05.39 | dpkg | jjb123: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:05.40 | md5sum | sweet... I was wondering when applications were going to start folding the paper for you, too! :D |
| 03:05.46 | DaveLib | back i cant get tomboy to start from dave account Xlib says coonection to display :0.0 refused by server and also says no protocol specified |
| 03:05.49 | nichos | ft ill have to look in to that then |
| 03:06.00 | ft | deadcat: well, it's about folding text to make a file easier to overview |
| 03:06.06 | Guerin | DaveLib: ssh -X user@localhost |
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| 03:06.15 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Ah... you need to copy the .Xauthority file to your home directory in the chroot |
| 03:06.26 | Wyzard|TP | Guerin: This is about a chroot, not a different user |
| 03:06.27 | nichos | yeah, its pretty darn useful |
| 03:06.34 | Daveman | haha |
| 03:06.38 | Guerin | DaveLib: where user is the user you want to be able to use the X server. Make sure you have X forwarding turned on in sshd config |
| 03:06.40 | DaveLib | wyzard: i just did copy the file before the problem |
| 03:06.42 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 03:06.43 | Guerin | mah bayd. |
| 03:06.56 | ignored | nichos, sorry, yes, my english is not my native langue, really sorry, bad typo |
| 03:07.11 | jjb123 | apche.org |
| 03:07.13 | nichos | ignored if you're going to insult someone, do it right :P |
| 03:07.26 | jjb123 | sorry wrong keyboard |
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| 03:07.31 | ignored | nichos, you're insult vi man |
| 03:07.37 | nichos | clever |
| 03:07.47 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Check its ownership and permissions |
| 03:08.28 | ft | deadcat: it's rather hard to explain, <http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/frank.terbeck/tmp/vimfold.png> take a look |
| 03:08.46 | DaveLib | rw------- dave |
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| 03:09.07 | DaveLib | i am dave account in / and i did adduser dave in chroot |
| 03:09.17 | DaveLib | both dave's have same uuid and guid |
| 03:09.19 | deadcat | ft: what line am i looking for? |
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| 03:09.42 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: I dunno then... you know the X socket is working since it works for root, so I can't think of why it wouldn't work as a normal user, unless it's some sort of problem with the .Xauthority |
| 03:09.46 | ft | deadcat: the green ones, with dashes |
| 03:10.01 | DaveLib | i as dave in / did cp .Xaurthority /sid/home/dave/.Xauthority |
| 03:10.15 | sifi-xz | is GNU applications only under FLOSS developments? |
| 03:10.28 | ft | deadcat: there is one line that represents 347 line in this example |
| 03:10.36 | jjb123 | Guerin: It says command not found |
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| 03:10.52 | deadcat | ft: i see |
| 03:10.53 | DaveLib | what if i just downloaded the tar file off the tomboy site and tried to compile and install it into /usr/local? |
| 03:10.56 | SerajewelKS | DaveLib, Wyzard|TP: X connects via a unix socket, which is probably outside the chroot |
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| 03:11.28 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: You misspelled ".Xauthority" in the source filename of what you just showed me... make sure you didn't mistype it in the destination filename when you actually did it from your shell :-) |
| 03:11.35 | ft | deadcat: it's a really useful feature... |
| 03:11.48 | DaveLib | serajewel: i mount --bind the /tmp 's between / and chroot |
| 03:11.50 | Wyzard|TP | SerajewelKS: He's already bind-mounted /tmp into the chroot, and it works for root after copying ~/.Xauthority to /root within the chroot |
| 03:11.59 | SerajewelKS | DaveLib: hrm.. =/ |
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| 03:12.19 | deadcat | ft: only for coding? |
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| 03:12.25 | jjb123 | I logged into su and no it says the x-server-free86 package is not installed |
| 03:12.36 | SerajewelKS | jjb123: that's xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:12.38 | Guerin | jjb123: that's not the package we told you to reconfiigure |
| 03:12.42 | DaveLib | from ls in chroot: -rw------- 1 dave dave 117 Jan 29 03:03 .Xauthority |
| 03:12.42 | jjb123 | apache.org |
| 03:12.43 | ft | deadcat: no, i use it for config files aswell |
| 03:12.50 | deadcat | ft: cool. |
| 03:12.54 | jjb123 | crap, I did it again sorry |
| 03:12.58 | gahan | is there a way to grab php4 4.4.0-4 packages for testing? |
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| 03:13.08 | Guerin | gahan: google |
| 03:13.25 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Looks OK to me... dunno, sorry |
| 03:13.29 | ft | deadcat: absolutely |
| 03:13.45 | deadcat | ft: thats like hiding the next 347 lines so you can see the lines below right? |
| 03:13.48 | DaveLib | anyway maybe i will tell you the other tomboy problem maybe if we could fix that even if i cant do the plugins |
| 03:14.01 | Wyzard|TP | ok |
| 03:14.08 | DaveLib | i can click on tomboy links to other notes and that works fine |
| 03:14.23 | DaveLib | tomboy recognizes a url i type into tomboy as a link |
| 03:14.25 | gahan | Guerin: what about some trusted source? |
| 03:14.40 | ft | deadcat: exactly |
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| 03:14.55 | DaveLib | but when i click: it says problem activating the associasted function or whatever |
| 03:14.55 | deadcat | ft: nice. |
| 03:15.13 | jjb123 | I typed that in but that is what was returned |
| 03:15.22 | DaveLib | maybe my chrooted sid didnt configure what is the app for urls |
| 03:15.34 | ft | deadcat: vim has different methods for deciding what to fold |
| 03:15.35 | deadcat | ft: any options needed in .vimrc? |
| 03:15.38 | DaveLib | or maybe it did and it is having trouble doing that |
| 03:15.41 | deadcat | ft: oh (= |
| 03:15.43 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: That sounds like it's failing to contact gconf and therefore can't look up the GNOME URL handler |
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| 03:16.13 | DaveLib | ok so maybe like troubles getting to gnomew session manager |
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| 03:16.37 | DaveLib | must leave for some minutes being called away from computer will mark self as /away |
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| 03:16.50 | DaveLib | thankis for help so far back a bit later |
| 03:16.55 | ft | deadcat: i got my vimrc on the net <http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/frank.terbeck/comp/data/vim/vim-dotfiles.tar.bz2>, feel free to use it |
| 03:17.05 | Guerin | gahan: haha. |
| 03:17.15 | deadcat | ft: thanks |
| 03:17.15 | Wyzard|TP | DaveLib: Similar... I don't know for sure how clients connect to gconf, but you probably have a /tmp/gconf-dave/lock/ior which is likely it |
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| 03:17.30 | Guerin | gahan: if it's in sid, you can try backporting it. Else you're at the mercy of people who've bothered to do so themselves. |
| 03:17.54 | ft | deadcat: you should read the help for folding to understand how it works, though |
| 03:18.28 | bo1 | hello all how do i get rid of conflicting dpkg files |
| 03:18.31 | deadcat | ft: nice config (= |
| 03:18.39 | deadcat | k |
| 03:18.47 | Klowner | what's the ncurses app that simplifies enabling/disabling daemons in rc.d ? |
| 03:19.16 | Guerin | Klowner: rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf |
| 03:19.30 | Klowner | rcconf, that's it! |
| 03:19.33 | Klowner | thanks Guerin |
| 03:19.43 | ft | deadcat: well, if you think it is, thanks :) |
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| 03:21.42 | Wyzard|TP | mmm... Cabot cheddar cheese... |
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| 03:25.01 | znuk | how to set evolution to download only the latest N messages? |
| 03:25.16 | Guerin | znuk: configure evolution? Are you serious? |
| 03:25.22 | deadcat | haha |
| 03:25.26 | liable | heh |
| 03:25.30 | ^CeSaR^ | how can i configure my mouse... its driving me crazy |
| 03:25.37 | znuk | what's so funny? |
| 03:25.47 | Guerin | znuk: why would you want to configure it? It's perfect already! All gnome apps are! |
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| 03:26.06 | znuk | i can do it in Thnuderbird. |
| 03:26.08 | rohan | hi all |
| 03:26.13 | rohan | i have a problem |
| 03:26.18 | rohan | i am upgrading from stable to testing / unstable. |
| 03:26.28 | rohan | i have kernel 2.6.8 at the moment. |
| 03:26.33 | Guerin | znuk: that's because thunderbird isn't gnome; and is thus Imperfect. |
| 03:26.39 | Guerin | rohan: pick one. |
| 03:26.40 | znuk | why so much sarcasm about evolution or gnome apps? |
| 03:26.48 | Guerin | rohan: either testing or unstable. Not both. |
| 03:26.54 | rohan | Guerin: the problem i am describing happens on both. |
| 03:27.06 | Guerin | znuk: it's not sarcasm. They really are normally unconfigurable. |
| 03:27.07 | rohan | now, udev upgrade requires new kernel... but kernel upgrade requires new udev ... how can i force the installation of any one, say udev ? |
| 03:27.10 | deadcat | znuk: its click and config. so theres not much help we do do |
| 03:27.42 | ignored | ft, What application turn there on the left side of the pic ? |
| 03:27.45 | rohan | apt-get -f install , is ofcourse, not helping me. |
| 03:27.51 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: Does udev check what kernel is currently *running*, or just what version is *installed* ? |
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| 03:28.16 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: installed. its ok if i am running 2.6.8, it wants installed >=2.6.12 |
| 03:28.26 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: Then just install both at the same time |
| 03:28.29 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: i just have to force install udev in some way. |
| 03:28.32 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: ok. |
| 03:28.37 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: That should happen automatically when you dist-upgrade |
| 03:28.54 | apacker | Hello. I am getting an error message regarding the fact that no public key is available when I try to apt-get update. This worries me. I have done many things to try to solve the problem but cannot. Can someone help me? |
| 03:29.03 | Guerin | apacker: topic |
| 03:29.07 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: not happening :( |
| 03:29.12 | ignored | ft, gkrellm ? |
| 03:29.21 | ft | ignored: well, i've been an addicted WindowMaker user, and when I switched to fvwm, I needed a "dock"; to answer your question: It's an FvwmButtons instance the swallowed a lot of dockapps |
| 03:29.21 | apacker | he |
| 03:29.29 | apacker | Guerin, sorry :/ |
| 03:29.31 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade your kernel and udev? |
| 03:29.37 | ft | ignored: no, i dont like gkrellm at all |
| 03:29.44 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: no, it fails while trying to update udev. |
| 03:29.51 | znuk | isn't it a good feature, tobe able to specify the latest N messages to download? otherwise, if u have not been online for sometime, the msg will accumulate to big number and the next time u go online, there will be this massive download. |
| 03:29.52 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.52 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.08 | deadcat | ft: ya. gkrellm sucks. wm apps over gkrellm any day |
| 03:30.29 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: ah... so it's not the kernel's dependencies, it's the kernel's postinst failing to run mkinitramfs |
| 03:30.30 | rohan | and since that is unconfigured, kernel wont install. |
| 03:30.38 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: yes. |
| 03:30.41 | ignored | ft, i use here openbox, slow comp |
| 03:30.43 | bo1 | hello, when doing a dpkg --list what does the pi mean in the first field |
| 03:30.47 | ignored | ft, but looking for |
| 03:30.49 | rohan | and since kernel wont install, udev wont install, Wyzard|TP |
| 03:30.54 | Guerin | bo1: paartial |
| 03:30.59 | ft | ignored: fvwm is pretty slim as well |
| 03:31.09 | Amarande | enlightenment! :) |
| 03:31.11 | deadcat | ignored: wm applets works on ob3 too. |
| 03:31.22 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: At that point the new kernel is installed, but not configured... so you should then be able to upgrade udev, restart udev so the new one is running, and then "dpkg --configure --pending" to configure the new kernel |
| 03:31.27 | ignored | deadcat, hhhmmm |
| 03:31.31 | bo1 | guerin: I tink I have some conflicts and I can't get rid of them with dpkg -r keeps complaining about dependencies |
| 03:31.36 | deadcat | ignored: what? i am using them right now |
| 03:31.43 | nil` | can someone tell me what file to edit to configure which modules load on boot? The OSS modules specificly |
| 03:31.47 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: but udev is not upgraded. |
| 03:31.52 | Guerin | bo1: aptitude -f install |
| 03:31.53 | rohan | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 03:31.54 | deadcat | nil`: /etc/modules |
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| 03:32.27 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: ah... that's not a dependency thing, then -- it's a preinst script checking what kernel you're actually running |
| 03:32.29 | nil` | deadcat: the soundcore and other oss modules arent listed there..only 4 of them |
| 03:32.48 | nil` | deadcat: er, they arent listed, only 4 are listed and they arent snd related. |
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| 03:32.53 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: so how do i go about ? if kernel is not being installed thanks to udev, udev is not being installed thanks to kernel :) |
| 03:32.54 | ignored | deadcat, thx for the tip ;-) i woul say, in other words (-; |
| 03:32.57 | bo1 | guerin: ok , I still get errors on a couple of packages but I also tink that I have a messed up mysql install. I sse a lib from sarge and I am running sid |
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| 03:33.23 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: Remove mkinitramfs and install yaird instead, and then try the kernel upgrade again |
| 03:33.34 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: what is yaird ? |
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| 03:33.35 | bo1 | Guerin: I correct a bad sarge line in my sources.list |
| 03:33.44 | deadcat | ignored: if you want them to appear in order, you have to use sleep to handle the orders |
| 03:33.47 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: Yet Another InitRamDisk generator |
| 03:34.00 | lunitik | rohan: Yet Another Init Ram Disk |
| 03:34.01 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: thanks :) but i wont be able to use apt-get ofcourse. |
| 03:34.06 | rohan | lunitik: thanks :) |
| 03:34.24 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: mkinitramfs and yaird are both currently under development... the current chicken-and-egg problem is known but hasn't been resolved yet |
| 03:34.29 | nil` | does anyone know how to disable the oss modules loading on boot? in favor of alsa? |
| 03:34.41 | ignored | deadcat, i not understand now |
| 03:34.42 | nil` | they arent listed in /etc/modules |
| 03:34.44 | bo1 | guerin: |
| 03:34.44 | bo1 | ri libmysqlclient12 4.0.24-10sarge1 mysql database client library |
| 03:34.44 | bo1 | ii libmysqlclient15 5.0.18-7 mysql database client library |
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| 03:35.00 | rohan | can some one please post the link for yaird deb in unstable ? my browser is now working. |
| 03:35.01 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 03:35.01 | ^CeSaR^ | ahh help!! |
| 03:35.14 | ^CeSaR^ | my mouse goes crazy in a web page.. =( |
| 03:35.19 | ignored | deadcat, i have a slow head, i understand t now |
| 03:35.29 | lunitik | rohan: why can't you use apt-get for it? :/ |
| 03:35.33 | Guerin | bo1: 1) don't paste. 2) put the complete output of aptitude -f install; on paster |
| 03:35.34 | ignored | deadcat, ;-) |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | !paster bo1 |
| 03:35.42 | dpkg | bo1: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 03:35.46 | rohan | lunitik: because it is telling me to apt-get -f install, which is failing. |
| 03:35.53 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: linux-sound-base is not installed. |
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| 03:35.57 | bo1 | oh my bad.. |
| 03:35.59 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: isnt there a file i can edit? |
| 03:36.00 | bo1 | sorry all |
| 03:36.06 | bo1 | still new to this |
| 03:36.07 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: Then install it |
| 03:36.21 | lunitik | rohan: why is it saying its failing? the kernel thing? |
| 03:36.25 | rohan | yes, lunitik |
| 03:36.29 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: if it installs alsa, i can't. I need to compile the alsa cvs |
| 03:36.42 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: i just need to disable the loading of oss modules |
| 03:36.43 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: linux-sound-base is meant for exactly that purpose -- it blacklists either the ALSA module or the OSS modules (depending on which sound system you tell it you want to use) so they won't be loaded automatically by hotplug or discover |
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| 03:37.20 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: alright, i'll give that a try. Do you know which file it edits anyway? |
| 03:37.42 | lunitik | rohan: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/yaird ... |
| 03:38.19 | rohan | lunitik: and name of deb for sid is ? |
| 03:38.27 | lunitik | rohan: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/yaird/yaird_0.0.12-3_i386.deb |
| 03:38.31 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: It apparently puts files into /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d and /etc/discover.conf.d |
| 03:38.31 | bo1 | guerin ok its there |
| 03:39.02 | rohan | lunitik: thanks a _lot_ |
| 03:39.07 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: oh, hotplug loads them then... |
| 03:39.25 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: thank you very much :) |
| 03:39.32 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: If you're not loading them manually with /etc/modules or whatever, it's presumably either hotplug or discover that's loading them |
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| 03:39.59 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: alright |
| 03:40.27 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: But rather than blacklisting them manually, just install linux-sound-base... it's a simple package which depends on nothing but debconf, and it's meant to do exactly what you want |
| 03:40.49 | bo1 | guerin did you see it |
| 03:41.16 | rohan | libhtml-template-perl |
| 03:41.19 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: its installed. If i recompile the kernel with only soundcore module, and build the alsa cvs, it will load those modules, right? |
| 03:41.21 | rohan | arghh... now i need libhtml-template-perl |
| 03:41.26 | rohan | i miss not being able to use apt-get |
| 03:41.28 | rohan | :| |
| 03:41.40 | Guerin | bo1: link |
| 03:41.48 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:41.51 | bo1 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1679 |
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| 03:42.05 | rohan | can i use dpkg to gimme links to debs in the package pool ? |
| 03:42.05 | Guerin | yaird using html::template is one of the stupider things about it |
| 03:42.13 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: Should work, but I can't say for sure -- I haven't used out-of-tree ALSA modules since back before it was incorporated into the official kernel |
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| 03:42.38 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: Try a different browser, such as links |
| 03:42.47 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: yeah, i meant should. I think only the *really* new versions of alsa support my card. |
| 03:42.51 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: I doubt you have only one installed |
| 03:42.52 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: thanks for your help |
| 03:42.54 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: What card? |
| 03:42.55 | alexander_ | hola alguien sabe hablar español |
| 03:43.02 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: sound blaster live! 24 bit |
| 03:43.12 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: i guess it has a different chipset than the previous soundblaster cards |
| 03:43.19 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: That's not supported by the emu10k1 driver? |
| 03:43.21 | Guerin | bo1: mythtv isn't in debian. Contact the distributor for advice. |
| 03:43.28 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: nope..its like...snd-ca0106 |
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| 03:43.49 | cusco | alexander_: try debian-es |
| 03:44.07 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: snd-ca0106 is in the 2.6.15 tree... |
| 03:44.18 | bo1 | guerin this is a mysql issue not myth |
| 03:44.25 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: maybe older versions too, I dunno |
| 03:44.32 | starscalling | er |
| 03:44.33 | Guerin | bo1: no, it's clearly a mythtv version, as the error says. |
| 03:44.43 | starscalling | im configging a comp remotely with someone over the phone |
| 03:44.44 | rohan | finally !!! got yaird installed. |
| 03:44.49 | bo1 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1681 |
| 03:44.50 | starscalling | what is the basic debian sarge source? |
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| 03:44.55 | starscalling | please???? |
| 03:44.55 | Guerin | bo1: if you remove mythtv, do you still have installation errors with mysql? |
| 03:45.02 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: hmm...didn't work when i had 2.6.15 on gentoo. |
| 03:45.03 | liable | bo1: no, the mythtv script looks to be b0rken |
| 03:45.09 | apacker | im failing to fetch a number of things from non-us.debian.org |
| 03:45.16 | bo1 | guerin look at 2nd link |
| 03:45.21 | apacker | however if i change to another non-us mirror i get other problems |
| 03:45.22 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: I'm looking in the driver list in 2.6.15 menuconfig and I see "SB Audity LS / Live 24bit" and the help page for it says the module is called "snd-ca0106" |
| 03:45.28 | apacker | could someone PLEASE just give me a sources.list that WORSK?! |
| 03:45.31 | starscalling | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free <<--- that for sarge ????? |
| 03:45.41 | ^CeSaR^ | hey who use gnome?? |
| 03:45.49 | Alakazam | i use fluxbox |
| 03:45.59 | apacker | im using testing |
| 03:46.00 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: It might be patched in by Debian in the linux-source-2.6.15 package, and not part of the official kernel.org tree, but it's definitely here |
| 03:46.02 | starscalling | Alakazam, any clue on that?? |
| 03:46.03 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: now that i managed to install kernel 2.6.15 do i reboot to continue with upgrade ? since even now, udev is not installing ? |
| 03:46.06 | bo1 | guerin and i am using sid |
| 03:46.11 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: yes |
| 03:46.14 | apacker | im just so tired of trying every goddamn mirror |
| 03:46.16 | starscalling | er someone !_! |
| 03:46.16 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: ok. |
| 03:46.16 | liable | apacker: apt-setup .. dont have non-us in there. |
| 03:46.18 | apacker | and finding that none of them really work |
| 03:46.18 | rohan | quitting. |
| 03:46.21 | starscalling | tried google it hates me lol |
| 03:46.24 | Alakazam | im not sure starscalling |
| 03:46.26 | Alakazam | do a |
| 03:46.26 | starscalling | i can ping the inet with it |
| 03:46.35 | starscalling | i just need to know the distro name for debian |
| 03:46.40 | starscalling | er for sarge |
| 03:46.48 | Alakazam | "apt-cache seatch kernel-" |
| 03:46.49 | starscalling | instead of woody or testing do i just put in stable? |
| 03:46.50 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: what uh..branch? is linux-source-2.6.15 on? |
| 03:46.54 | ^CeSaR^ | i cant get the driver for my mouse.. it is crazy.. |
| 03:46.59 | Alakazam | sarge is the distro name. |
| 03:47.00 | liable | starscalling: stable or sarge, yes |
| 03:47.14 | Guerin | bo1: r means 'reinstall required' |
| 03:47.15 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: It's in unstable |
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| 03:47.28 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: but it should be safe to install on an etch or sarge system |
| 03:47.33 | haven | anyone know how to do a network install from a regular install disc? |
| 03:47.35 | Guerin | bo1: so remove mythtv for now, and concentrate on getting mysql-server installed |
| 03:47.37 | bo1 | guerin how do i uninstall it |
| 03:47.45 | starscalling | liable, i can call it either and it doesnt matter>? and thanx for answering/. |
| 03:47.47 | bo1 | guerin ok |
| 03:47.52 | Guerin | bo1: aptitude purge foopkgname |
| 03:47.57 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: okay, maybe i'll try that... |
| 03:47.57 | apacker | do i need non-us? |
| 03:48.06 | starscalling | apt wouldnt config right when installing for some reason but the net card is ok and drivers are there b/c we can ping google as root |
| 03:48.08 | apt | that's too long, starscalling |
| 03:48.08 | apacker | i understand there are other programs available there and whatnot |
| 03:48.19 | apacker | but how much do I REALLY need to it? |
| 03:48.20 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: There are precompiled linux-image-2.6.15-* packages, and linux-source-2.6.15 if you want to custom-compile |
| 03:48.22 | bo1 | guerin ok just removed it |
| 03:48.25 | liable | apacker: no |
| 03:48.35 | liable | starscalling: yes |
| 03:48.40 | apacker | good, its only annoying. never works. |
| 03:48.57 | liable | !tell apacker about non-us |
| 03:49.07 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: If you use kernel-package (make-kpkg) to build kernels, you'll want to grab that from unstable too |
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| 03:49.20 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: i can't use the stable one? |
| 03:49.25 | ^CeSaR^ | aaah =( |
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| 03:50.15 | rohan | works.... |
| 03:50.18 | apacker | liable, dude, thanks! |
| 03:50.20 | rohan | thanks a lot, Wyzard|TP :) |
| 03:50.42 | h3xis | does anyone here know of an app that will let me open up an mp3 and play it in reverse? |
| 03:50.50 | Alakazam | what? |
| 03:50.52 | Alakazam | lol |
| 03:50.58 | stew | h3xis: audacity |
| 03:50.59 | Alakazam | what the heck kinda question is that. |
| 03:51.00 | Alakazam | lol |
| 03:51.15 | rvalles | I have installed zillions of font packs. How do I tell Xorg server to use _everything_ under /usr/share/fonts/ without adding up a line in xorg.conf for _each_ (like 100!) dir in there? |
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| 03:51.35 | apacker | liable, if you are curious, the bot's link is broken in the non-us entry. |
| 03:51.39 | stew | h3xis: if you want command line, sox |
| 03:51.39 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: It might be safe to use the stable one if you don't use an initrd, but if you do, you should definitely upgrade kernel-package |
| 03:51.40 | rohan | ah... finally dist-upgrade is continuing.. |
| 03:51.46 | h3xis | ok thank you |
| 03:51.54 | apacker | liable, (even if you put the link together like it looks like it should be) |
| 03:51.54 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: The newer kernels have some different requirements that the old kernel-package isn't aware of |
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| 03:52.15 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: alright, I don't know if i use an initrd, but i'll use the new one anyway. |
| 03:52.17 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: unstable right? |
| 03:52.21 | jugglinx | h3xis, terminatorx has also scratching mode |
| 03:52.26 | h3xis | ok |
| 03:52.27 | rohan | rvalles: afaik, you cant do that. |
| 03:52.31 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: It might be in testing by now; I'm not sure |
| 03:52.37 | liable | apacker: the lists one? |
| 03:52.39 | grandma | anyone familiar with setting up the nvidia module with debian? |
| 03:52.40 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: but it's definitely in unstable |
| 03:52.55 | Wyzard|TP | !tell grandma about nvidia |
| 03:52.58 | Guerin | grandma: no, you're breaking virgin ground. |
| 03:53.08 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: alright |
| 03:53.12 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: Do you know how to install packages from unstable on a stable system without upgrading the whole system? |
| 03:53.16 | rvalles | rohan: great. |
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| 03:53.29 | rvalles | rohan: but there are 100 font dirs in there! |
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| 03:53.40 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: not really, i just figured *dont* run apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:53.47 | rohan | rvalles: wait. |
| 03:53.48 | Wyzard|TP | rvalles: That's your fault for installing so many fonts :-P |
| 03:53.49 | grandma | Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers"...? where is this doc? |
| 03:53.56 | rvalles | rohan: will my apps not be able to see them -unless- I add them to xorg.conf? |
| 03:54.00 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:54.01 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 03:54.04 | SerajewelKS | grandma: ^^^ |
| 03:54.09 | bo1 | guerin u still there? |
| 03:54.20 | Guerin | bo1: no. |
| 03:54.23 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: Create a file called /etc/apt/apt.conf, containing this line: |
| 03:54.25 | bo1 | :) |
| 03:54.29 | rohan | rvalles: find / -type d | grep 'usr/share/font' > myfonts. |
| 03:54.32 | starscalling | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 03:54.33 | Wyzard|TP | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 03:54.43 | rohan | rvalles: then copty paste thingd from myfonts to your xorg.conf |
| 03:54.43 | starscalling | so that line right ? |
| 03:54.46 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: then apt-get -t unstable install foo ? |
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| 03:54.57 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: Then you can add testing and unstable sources to your sources.list, and apt will still use stable by default |
| 03:54.58 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: right |
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| 03:55.02 | stew | nil`: don't install packages from unstable onto stable |
| 03:55.11 | stew | nil`: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:55.21 | Wyzard|TP | stew: He's just installing linux-source-2.6.15 |
| 03:55.27 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: with the ; ? |
| 03:55.31 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: yes |
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| 03:56.00 | Palle | Anyone know how to make alphaboot boot a kernel automatically without user interaction? |
| 03:56.11 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: stew's right, it wouldn't be a bad idea to see whether someone's backported the 2.6.15 packages before you go ahead |
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| 03:56.18 | bo1 | guerin i dpkg -r mytv and a bunch of other myth stuff bot dpkg --list still has info on it |
| 03:56.30 | Wyzard|TP | nil`: but for just kernel source code and kernel-package, it isn't a big deal either way |
| 03:56.31 | rvalles | rohan: nice |
| 03:56.37 | rohan | rvalles: :) |
| 03:56.42 | rohan | i am off.. |
| 03:56.44 | rohan | cya |
| 03:57.01 | grandma | uhh, is there any document somewhere i can read that explains why and not just shoots out tons of commands for the nvidia module? |
| 03:57.17 | rredd4 | hi... how do I know whether to set up my modem in pppconfig as a PAP, chat, or chap? I am using people pc for dial up. I have a zoom serial modem |
| 03:57.27 | nil` | Wyzard|TP: for a kernel i'd rather use the official debian stuff, unstable or not |
| 03:57.42 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: The Debian nVidia packages are tuned specifically for Debian, and can be cleanly installed and uninstalled with apt. nVidia's generic package is not and cannot. |
| 03:57.58 | rvalles | find /usr/share/fonts/ -type d -printf \"%p\"\ |
| 03:57.58 | Guerin | bo1: if it says rc, then it's removed |
| 03:58.01 | rvalles | quite better ;) |
| 03:58.48 | bo1 | guerin ok i also did a aptitude -f install with no errors |
| 03:59.06 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: The Debian nVidia packages come in two parts: "nvidia-glx" which is the XFree86/Xorg driver, and "nvidia-kernel" which is the kernel module that the X driver depends on |
| 03:59.31 | webfreak | how do you prevent a specific version of a package from being installed in an upgrade? |
| 03:59.38 | webfreak | ie xorg 6.9, heh |
| 03:59.44 | grandma | Wyzard|TP i'm reinstalling from a 2 year old polluted suse that was using the nvidia installer, so this is unfamiliar ground for me |
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| 04:00.11 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: nvidia-glx can be installed straightforwardly, but the kernel module has to be matched to the kernel you're running, and module-assistant automates the process of building add-in modules for your kernel |
| 04:00.17 | Guerin | bo1: try installing mysql-server again |
| 04:00.35 | grandma | ah...sounds much more complicated than just runnning the nvidia installer heh |
| 04:00.46 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: Not really, not once you're used to it |
| 04:01.08 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: Running generic non-packaged installers is a good way to get your system into a "polluted" state if you're not careful about it |
| 04:01.12 | Amarande | Speaking of X. |
| 04:01.17 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: Prefer packages whenever possible |
| 04:01.21 | rredd4 | how do I know whether to set up my modem in pppconfig as a PAP, chat, or chap? |
| 04:01.23 | Amarande | How well does Debian 3.1 support a Radeon X1600 in X? |
| 04:01.24 | grandma | Wyzard|TP yes that's why suse got so polluted |
| 04:01.25 | Guerin | mind you |
| 04:01.41 | Guerin | installing nvidia at all gets you a polluted ssystem |
| 04:01.51 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: I think ATI's proprietary driver is in unstable now |
| 04:01.53 | Amarande | don't you have to pollute to be able to create the installer at all, though? |
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| 04:02.05 | Wyzard|TP | Guerin: True in the freeness sense, but I'm talking about in the system-maintenance sense |
| 04:02.12 | Amarande | I know from my experience with Knoppix that standard X at least handles the X1600 stably, if basically. |
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| 04:02.19 | Amarande | Unlike Windows, which puked its guts all over the floor over it. |
| 04:02.22 | webfreak | does the latest version of ati's driver work with 6.9 yet? |
| 04:02.32 | Guerin | Wyzard|TP: which is more or less the same thing, since you're at the mercy of any evilness there happens to be in there. |
| 04:02.37 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: Knoppix is probably using the generic VESA driver, which will work on pretty much anything but is completely unaccelerated |
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| 04:03.12 | Amarande | Of course, when you have an AMD 3500+, acceleration may not be needed for decent performance in basic things. |
| 04:03.25 | grandma | Wyzard|TP i understand, is there a document or how-to somewhere i can read and bookmark? |
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| 04:04.03 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: Not for 2D, maybe, but certainly if you want to utilize the 3D features that constitute pretty much the entire cost of your high-end video card :-) |
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| 04:04.08 | Miesco | How do I make a LDAP server |
| 04:04.43 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: Googling for "nvidia debian" turns up http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 04:04.45 | Guerin | Miesco: apt-cache search ldap |
| 04:04.48 | bo1 | guerin mysql-server is done |
| 04:05.21 | Guerin | bo1: so now, if mythtv doesn't work, it's because it needs a different version, or it's horribly broken |
| 04:05.42 | Miesco | Guerin: Whats the apt command to fix dependency problems? |
| 04:05.49 | Miesco | apt-get -f update or something |
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| 04:05.55 | Wyzard|TP | apt-get install -f |
| 04:05.57 | Guerin | Miesco: aptitude -f install; |
| 04:05.59 | Miesco | Thanks |
| 04:06.02 | Guerin | Miesco: no packages |
| 04:06.39 | bo1 | guerin ok thanks |
| 04:07.24 | Guerin | damnit |
| 04:08.13 | Miesco | Okay getting slapd, Guerin, have you ever used a LADP server? |
| 04:08.26 | Wyzard|TP | Guerin: There's a package called "otp", though I haven't used it |
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| 04:08.34 | Guerin | Wyzard|TP: hm, ok. |
| 04:08.49 | Guerin | Miesco: i've used one, but never administered one. |
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| 04:09.05 | bz0b | hey guys, if i do a debian netinstall, will it give me all the newest files, or do i still need to do updates after install, for the already installed pacakges |
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| 04:11.36 | stew | bz0b: you will want to apt-get upgrade, there have been security fixes in base recently |
| 04:11.58 | bz0b | stew: but do you know what version of for instance xorg it will install |
| 04:12.30 | bz0b | well, we will talk when i come back from this install, see you guys soon |
| 04:12.47 | bz0b | see ya |
| 04:12.47 | grandma | Wyzard|TP sweet, it appears to have worked :0) it's safe to just tuck this one liner nvidia install away for a rainy day? |
| 04:12.50 | Red_Cloud | I have installed the Moodin engine and Moodin login theme and splash images. The splash image is there but the login dialogue is still KDE system login box. How do I get Moodin Login dialogue to work? |
| 04:12.52 | liable | bz0b: sarge doesnt have xorg |
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| 04:13.24 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: You can always "/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner" again |
| 04:13.45 | stew | bz0b: none, sarge has xfree not xorg |
| 04:13.47 | grandma | i never remember bot commands, heh |
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| 04:14.21 | Red_Cloud | The readme for Moodin says to open Control Center->System Administration->kdmtheme kdmtheme does not exist in the Control Center |
| 04:14.34 | arsen | anyone know why grub.conf isnt in /boot/grub?:x |
| 04:14.47 | Wyzard|TP | arsen: It's called "menu.lst", not "grub.conf" |
| 04:14.54 | arsen | ah, ty |
| 04:15.04 | Wyzard|TP | arsen: Some systems (like Gentoo) just create a symlink called "grub.conf" |
| 04:15.04 | grandma | now to set up the nvidia module options... like xrender |
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| 04:15.27 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: I'd recommend not enabling RenderAccel... it's buggy more often than not |
| 04:16.11 | liable | strange, thunderbird keeps beeping like i have mail, but i dont have any new mail.. |
| 04:16.21 | Wyzard|TP | grandma: In some versions of the driver it works fine; in some versions it exhibits weird problems, like text not appearing or fans of diagonal lines emanating from the upper-left corner of windows |
| 04:16.30 | grandma | bah...guess i have to do it all manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 04:16.39 | bo1 | guerin all installed fine |
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| 04:16.50 | joobie | Hi Guys.. is there a way to dump the iptables counters for a specific rule only? |
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| 04:18.33 | Guerin | bo1: nice. |
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| 04:19.09 | Wyzard|TP | daedric: Does your nick have anything to do with Morrowind? |
| 04:19.10 | Miesco | Guerin: What is GnomeCard and how do I get it? |
| 04:19.32 | h3xis | hmm sorry if the answer to this is obvious, but does anyone know when packages.d.o will be up? |
| 04:19.33 | webfreak | apparently ati's driver only works for xorg 6.8 |
| 04:19.36 | webfreak | hrm |
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| 04:20.35 | Wyzard|TP | webfreak: I doubt that... I'm pretty sure the driver ABI hasn't changed, so anything that works with 6.8 should work with 6.9 |
| 04:20.54 | Guerin | Miesco: i haven't the faintest idea. |
| 04:21.10 | webfreak | Wyzard|TP: aight |
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| 04:21.56 | Wyzard|TP | webfreak: The XFree86/Xorg video driver ABI hasn't changed in a long time -- I've successfully used a driver from Xorg 6.8 on a system with XFree86 4.3 |
| 04:24.44 | rohan | wow ... debian unstable is very nice :) |
| 04:25.21 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: It's nice if you have the patience and skills to deal with occasional breakage |
| 04:25.47 | Coweater | occasional? |
| 04:26.01 | Coweater | that's testing |
| 04:26.07 | Wyzard|TP | rohan: such as the kernel chicken-and-egg which you've already seen :-) |
| 04:27.11 | rohan | Wyzard|TP: yes, i'd bear that to get updated new pakcages |
| 04:27.17 | rohan | anyway, be back later. |
| 04:27.24 | Wyzard|TP | Coweater: From experience -- I run unstable, and things are only occasionally significantly broken such that I notice problems and have to take action to deal with them |
| 04:27.27 | peacemaker885 | would anyone have an idea how to troubleshoot laptop hdd light and pcmcia card. my hdd light doesn't turn off when the card is inserted |
| 04:27.29 | rohan | gotta run study |
| 04:27.54 | peacemaker885 | hdd light works normally when card is removed |
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| 04:30.15 | Guerin | peacemaker885: why do you care? |
| 04:30.22 | bz0b | may i ask, what would i need to apt-get to install an xfce desktop enviornment? |
| 04:30.36 | Guerin | bz0b: xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
| 04:30.48 | bz0b | Guerin: well, what if i have no GUI at the moment? |
| 04:31.00 | Coweater | x-window-system |
| 04:31.00 | bz0b | Guerin: meaning no xserver or anything |
| 04:31.06 | bz0b | Coweater: thanks |
| 04:31.13 | Guerin | bz0b: x-window-system-core and maybe gdm as well |
| 04:31.13 | peacemaker885 | Guerin: well...its not normal.. |
| 04:31.31 | bz0b | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:31.42 | peacemaker885 | Guerin: the hdd light doesn't turn off at all |
| 04:31.50 | bz0b | man this server mirrors.kernel.org is really fast, i get like 850K a second |
| 04:31.53 | Amarande | Are you sure your HDD light is hooked up correctly? |
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| 04:32.13 | Amarande | Also on some systems I've seen the HDD light come on during CD access, too. |
| 04:32.18 | peacemaker885 | Amarande: its a laptop |
| 04:32.18 | quitte_ | is it possible to lock the current vt? |
| 04:32.40 | Xenguy | quitte_: vlock ? |
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| 04:33.11 | Amarande | I wish my gigabit ethernet card would give me gigabit over the whole internet :) |
| 04:33.24 | quitte_ | Xenguy: does it prevent switching vts? |
| 04:33.36 | ^CeSaR^ | how can i re-setup x ? |
| 04:34.29 | Coweater | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86, whatever you've got |
| 04:34.30 | Xenguy | quitte_: it can, yes |
| 04:34.41 | quitte_ | Xenguy: great. thanks |
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| 04:34.52 | ^CeSaR^ | thanks |
| 04:35.08 | Xenguy | quitte_: yw |
| 04:35.23 | peacemaker885 | is there a command to check current hdd activity..read and write.. |
| 04:36.27 | stew | peacemaker885: vmstat 1 |
| 04:37.27 | peacemaker885 | stew: thanks! |
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| 04:39.35 | quitte_ | Xenguy: ugh. it doesnt lock vts if it isa called from a vt that is different from the one currently running :( |
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| 04:40.00 | Xenguy | quitte_: hrm, not sure; maybe you want 'screen' ? |
| 04:40.44 | Guerin | quitte_: why would you want to lock other VTs than the one you're logged into? |
| 04:41.04 | quitte_ | my idea is this: to ensure users make backups i want to chvt to switch to a vt with a message like put the dvd-r in the drive. then lock him to that vt and not unlock until the backup is done |
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| 04:41.34 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:41.35 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: if you want users to backup, then have it be done automatically through the network, or mount their home directories as NFS |
| 04:41.47 | Guerin | quitte_: automate it |
| 04:41.49 | quitte_ | but i want users to change media |
| 04:41.49 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 04:41.58 | quitte_ | im not around to do it myself |
| 04:42.20 | Zylogue | greetings... |
| 04:42.22 | Guerin | quitte_: using technical means to influence users behavior is braindead. |
| 04:42.31 | Guerin | quitte_: what happens if they don't have a backup dvd? |
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| 04:42.48 | quitte_ | they go out and buy one or use their own machines |
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| 04:43.16 | Guerin | muh |
| 04:43.19 | Guerin | unbelievable |
| 04:43.21 | quitte_ | and its supposed to fall back to cd-r anyways |
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| 04:43.50 | Guerin | so you're tying the functionality of your lab, or whatever, to supply of appropriate media |
| 04:44.00 | Zylogue | I'm having some X problems on a new install of Debian Sarge. "no screens found". I'm using an ATI Radeon |
| 04:44.06 | Guerin | you clearly don't want anyone to get any work done |
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| 04:45.49 | quitte_ | Guerin: its a machine for playing music |
| 04:46.00 | dondelelcaro | quitte_: if you need the users to change media, get an automatic cd changer |
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| 04:46.30 | quitte_ | ok ill just change runlevel so their session gets lost then. |
| 04:46.50 | quitte_ | just thought this should be easy and relatively convenient for the users |
| 04:47.55 | jetscreamer | Zylogue: /var/log/ |
| 04:48.10 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:48.14 | jetscreamer | look at the appropriate one |
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| 04:48.24 | Guerin | convenient would be "log in, do what you like, log out" |
| 04:48.55 | lakcaj | !tell Zylogue about drx |
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| 04:49.11 | Zylogue | jetscreamer, I have some No Symbols Found statements... |
| 04:49.39 | Zylogue | lakcaj, I have done that, already... |
| 04:49.50 | Zylogue | lakcaj, I have done that, already...and still am getting no where... |
| 04:50.45 | quitte_ | this is appropriate. they are provided with medai and they can continue whatever they did as soon as the media was put in.2~ |
| 04:50.57 | EZgun | my bad guys... i found the answer to my problem in the FAQ. :P |
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| 04:53.59 | chris__ | anyone know what the command line is to open up gnome's date/time program? |
| 04:54.18 | Zylogue | hmmm...error message in XFree86.log: 'Candidate "Device" section "ATI Radeon X700"' |
| 04:54.43 | Zylogue | PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:1 could not be detected |
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| 04:55.55 | Zylogue | PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected. |
| 04:55.59 | Zylogue | the card is PCIe |
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| 05:00.33 | liable | Zylogue: did you enter that slot number or did dpkg do it? |
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| 05:01.43 | ke6isf | Interesting, my wife's firefox on Sarge is malfunctioning. |
| 05:03.21 | astronut | how do i set sudo to keep the DISPLAY variable? |
| 05:04.11 | Zylogue | liable: I did...PCI:1:0:0 |
| 05:05.12 | Dwonis | Zylogue: Have you checked with lspci to see if that's the correct slot number? |
| 05:05.15 | dr_doom | I had to fsck my /home drive about 5 times to get it straightened out. I download, and delete alot of stuff, and sometimes it acts like the stuff isn't deleted, and gives a write error like the drive is full. Anyone know how to fix that, or is that inherent of a journal filesystem |
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| 05:05.55 | liable | Zylogue: if its the only card, try running drxx again and dont enter anything |
| 05:06.07 | grendal_prime | anyone using phpgroupware? |
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| 05:06.22 | Wyzard|TP | dr_doom: that's not normal behavior for any filesystem, journaled or not |
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| 05:06.36 | Zylogue | drxx? |
| 05:06.36 | Dwonis | dr_doom: that sounds like filesystem corruption |
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| 05:07.22 | dr_doom | it happens all the time when things fill up, and i delete them, and fill it up again |
| 05:07.35 | Zylogue | lspci: 0000:01:00.0 ATI Technologies: Unknown device |
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| 05:07.50 | EZgun | i have one more question... how do i find the vendor/identifier of an imac monitor? |
| 05:08.03 | orangey | hey all! |
| 05:08.07 | orangey | I have a quick q.. |
| 05:08.08 | Zylogue | 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Tech...: unknown device |
| 05:08.16 | Coweater | EZgun: it doesn't make any difference what you put there |
| 05:08.20 | EZgun | ahh okay |
| 05:08.23 | orangey | I'm running a system which is taking lots of hits from the net.. |
| 05:08.37 | orangey | the load now is: load average: 6.56, 4.43, 2.20 |
| 05:08.46 | orangey | I was wondering what I could do to maybe help calm that. |
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| 05:11.15 | erhanugur | hi |
| 05:11.23 | bucky | ih |
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| 05:11.33 | jariep2_ | hello |
| 05:11.38 | bucky | olleh |
| 05:11.52 | erhanugur | debian sarge --> kde 3.5 install link? (sources.link) |
| 05:12.03 | jariep2_ | how do i rerun the install script for exim? |
| 05:12.25 | bucky | dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 05:12.29 | bucky | or exim4 |
| 05:12.39 | jariep2_ | exim4 |
| 05:13.18 | jariep2_ | i did but i get a message that says that exim is broken or not fully installed, even after uninstalling and reinstalling |
| 05:13.23 | erhanugur | kde 3.5 install packade adress? |
| 05:13.35 | jariep2_ | i used dpkg-reconfigure exim |
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| 05:14.03 | erhanugur | help pls |
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| 05:14.18 | bucky | jariep2_, which is installed? exim or exim4 ? |
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| 05:14.42 | ^CeSaR^ | whats a .bz2? |
| 05:14.49 | Wyzard|TP | bzip2 |
| 05:14.56 | Daveman | heh |
| 05:14.59 | Zylogue | ^CeSaR^, a compression type, like zip and rara |
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| 05:15.10 | Wyzard|TP | rara? |
| 05:15.13 | dr_doom | i am using klibido, and it works great, except it's kde stuff. anyone know of a binary downloader that works like that for gnome? Pan is a resource hog. |
| 05:15.14 | Wyzard|TP | Cheerleader compression? |
| 05:15.27 | ^CeSaR^ | is it already installed on debian?? or i need to download de package? |
| 05:15.57 | Wyzard|TP | apt-get install bzip2 |
| 05:15.58 | erhanugur | KDE 3.5 ??? packade asress???? |
| 05:16.04 | erhanugur | adress |
| 05:16.17 | ^CeSaR^ | thanks |
| 05:16.22 | Wyzard|TP | erhanugur: That's currently only in unstable |
| 05:16.31 | erhanugur | ok . adress? |
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| 05:17.14 | EZgun | ORG. i'm never gonna get this st00pid iMac working |
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| 05:17.37 | jariep2_ | oh, bucky, sorry, was away |
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| 05:17.49 | jariep2_ | exim4 |
| 05:17.58 | erhanugur | for sources.link ? |
| 05:18.03 | Chris62vw | how do I install mplayer |
| 05:18.05 | Phated | sources.list, surely? |
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| 05:18.15 | Chris62vw | ? I tried an apt-cache search mplayer and nothing really showed up... |
| 05:18.29 | Chris62vw | I thought it would be as common as, say, wget, or anything else |
| 05:18.42 | Wyzard|TP | erhanugur: There is none, aside from upgrading to unstable, and you don't want to do that |
| 05:18.46 | Coweater | !tell Chris62vw -about marillat |
| 05:18.47 | Phated | Chris62vw: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:18.53 | Chris62vw | thanks guys |
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| 05:19.06 | Chris62vw | aha |
| 05:19.12 | Chris62vw | so there's all the stuff I've been looking for |
| 05:19.15 | rdmartins | Chris62vw, www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 05:19.18 | Chris62vw | thanks rdmartins |
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| 05:20.20 | erhanugur | kde 3.5 new install. |
| 05:20.35 | erhanugur | :( |
| 05:21.53 | ^CeSaR^ | sorry.. |
| 05:22.04 | ^CeSaR^ | hmm where is "./configure" |
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| 05:22.48 | erhanugur | bye bye |
| 05:22.51 | erhanugur | good days |
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| 05:23.57 | ft | ^CeSaR^: for what? |
| 05:25.36 | ^CeSaR^ | i need to install gtk (themes for gnome) but i cant when i type ./configure --prefix=/usr bash tell me that is a command not found |
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| 05:26.48 | ft | well, the gtk themes that come with debian aren't enough? |
| 05:27.22 | ^CeSaR^ | jeje not really :P |
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| 05:27.58 | Dwonis | ^CeSaR^: If you have to ask that question, you're probably not ready to be doing the compilation on your own without breaking something :) |
| 05:28.13 | Dwonis | ^CeSaR^: What theme is it? |
| 05:28.33 | ^CeSaR^ | its simple.. i think.. that.. then make and then make install :P |
| 05:28.51 | ft | ^CeSaR^: you are in the wrong directory |
| 05:29.51 | ft | ^CeSaR^: there should be an INSTALL and README file that comes with the theme you want to install, read them, and act accordingly |
| 05:30.12 | ^CeSaR^ | Dwonis: there are many themes.. in that package =) |
| 05:30.14 | ^CeSaR^ | thanks fr |
| 05:30.17 | ^CeSaR^ | ft * |
| 05:30.26 | arsen | i ran out of diskspace compiling my kernel, anyone know if i can delete the files created and start afresh after making a bit more room?:x |
| 05:30.27 | ke6isf | Is ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 05:31.08 | mortalman | ke6isf: Don't know, but my mirror seems pretty damn slow at the moment. |
| 05:31.18 | ft | ^CeSaR^: i'm curious, what theme is it you want to install? |
| 05:31.25 | arsen | i couldnt use the non-us ealirer from debian.rg |
| 05:31.32 | mortalman | .. as is the security update server. |
| 05:31.47 | arsen | no end of problems i had, using nl now ;x |
| 05:31.55 | ke6isf | mortalman: Just got updates for sarge a few minutes ago, seems that ftp.us is just really slow. |
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| 05:33.42 | BucWheat | any APC battery backup users in chan? |
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| 05:34.02 | mortalman | BucWheat: Wassup? |
| 05:34.07 | grendal_prime | battery backups are fpr wimps |
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| 05:34.41 | noiesmo | hey all |
| 05:34.57 | grendal_prime | i run all my servers hot from the wall....no surge proctector ither...hell pgnE have been in business now for 100 years..if they cant get it right by now were all fkd |
| 05:35.03 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 05:35.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:35.14 | mortalman | BucWheat: I have a rack mount APC Smart-UPS 750. |
| 05:35.56 | mortalman | grendal_prime: pgnE ? |
| 05:35.57 | ke6isf | grendal_prime: That's like walking around in Seattle with no raingear, dude. Shit happens. Use a surge supressor. |
| 05:36.30 | noiesmo | when you boot up and it stops with fsck failed please repair manually what are you suppose to do if i give root password i drop to shell but when i run fsck.ext3 /dev/hdax it complains about being mounted how do i repair manually |
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| 05:36.59 | grendal_prime | ke6isf, naaa im gonna sue them into submission when it happens |
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| 05:37.07 | ke6isf | grendal_prime: Riiiiight. |
| 05:37.08 | grendal_prime | what the hell i have nothing else to do with my time... |
| 05:37.13 | mortalman | noiesmo: Remount as read-only. |
| 05:37.19 | grendal_prime | and money just falling out of my butt |
| 05:37.23 | rredd4 | where can i get wvdial? packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues. |
| 05:37.39 | rredd4 | i don't have a dial up connection.. yet |
| 05:38.19 | ft | rredd4: wvdial is in package wvdial.... |
| 05:39.10 | bucky | rredd4, for sarge? |
| 05:39.14 | rredd4 | yes |
| 05:39.26 | Amarande | wait, packages.debian.org is down? |
| 05:39.27 | bucky | one sec |
| 05:39.30 | rredd4 | yes |
| 05:39.32 | Amarande | does that mean I might have trouble installing Debian tonight? |
| 05:39.33 | Dwonis | ke6isf: I've heard that anything short of a UPS isn't really going to protect you very much |
| 05:39.35 | rredd4 | packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues. |
| 05:40.00 | rredd4 | since jan. 6th |
| 05:40.01 | ke6isf | rredd4: Oh joy. |
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| 05:40.13 | ft | Amarande: no. |
| 05:40.21 | nima | one of their servers is overloaded |
| 05:40.27 | ke6isf | Dwonis: *looks at his old $30 surge supressor* Oh, I believe it. But, if I only had the money.... |
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| 05:41.26 | Dwonis | ke6isf: yeah, all I have is a surge suppressor too, at least on my desktop machine |
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| 05:41.40 | bucky | rredd4, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wvdial/wvdial_1.54.0-1.1_i386.deb |
| 05:41.46 | rredd4 | can i paste a 6 line paragraph here.. about packages.debain....? |
| 05:41.52 | rredd4 | why its down |
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| 05:42.01 | grendal_prime | and ke6isf i am joking to the nth degree |
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| 05:42.58 | grendal_prime | pgne here amaze me somtimes. summer is the bitch...things just go wrong with electricity in the summer...werid |
| 05:42.59 | myst-dragon | I get choppy audio (either XMMS or noatun) in testing when I minimize, maximize windows. This occurs regardless of window manager. I'm running a 2.6.12 kernel with ALSA built in. No luck with google yet. |
| 05:43.30 | grendal_prime | anyone useing phpgroupware? |
| 05:43.49 | Mav_Aus | just wanna say, ive just switched from redhat to debian, and its the best move ive ever made :-) |
| 05:44.03 | arsen | how can i say.. remove and delete kde package?:s |
| 05:44.03 | ft | !anyone |
| 05:44.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:44.04 | ke6isf | grendal_prime: ...I knew that! |
| 05:44.58 | ^CeSaR^ | u scared him :P |
| 05:45.08 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: It could be your audio *or* your video drivers, or both. Or you have an ancient computer, but I'd probably blame the drivers. |
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| 05:46.10 | rredd4_ | back |
| 05:46.40 | rredd4_ | does that wvdial .deb package include the libs? |
| 05:46.49 | ^CeSaR^ | back to .net... thanks guys |
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| 05:46.54 | grendal_prime | i wish i had more apcs...shit ..i would put one on my zaurus even..and it lasts for at least an hour at full power. If i could affortd on i would drag a 700wat one on a hand truck...for my laptop. |
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| 05:47.20 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: that's not good news. I've recently had to upgrade to a sempron, but kept my old soundblaster live. I couldn't get the nvidia card, so I've been using a crap ATI card. |
| 05:47.49 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I'll try to see if I can locate problems with the drivers, tho. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 05:47.55 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Odd. SBLive shouldn't be a problem |
| 05:48.10 | ft | rredd4_: dpkg --info wvdial_1.54.0-1.1_i386.deb |
| 05:48.16 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I know: I've used it for about 6 years now without a hitch before |
| 05:48.32 | ft | rredd4_: look out for the Depends: line |
| 05:48.51 | ft | you'll need the packages listed there |
| 05:48.56 | rredd4_ | k |
| 05:48.58 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: ah... could be the motherboard or PCI/AGP/whatever bus interface maybe |
| 05:49.12 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: When you do this, is your computer accessing the hard drive? |
| 05:49.57 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: not that I can tell, but it acts like it's reading from cache on the drive |
| 05:50.01 | SerajewelKS | is http.us.debian.org down? |
| 05:50.06 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: I suppose it could happen if you're swapping and you're not using DMA to talk to the hard drive. |
| 05:50.12 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: however, I doubt that is the case. |
| 05:50.33 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Can you try "hdparm /dev/hda" ? |
| 05:50.57 | rredd4_ | packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues. We're working on resurrecting this service but it will take some time. |
| 05:51.06 | Dwonis | if you see "unmaskirq = 0" or "using_dma = 0", you might want to look there |
| 05:51.20 | rredd4_ | i would paste the other text.. but don;t want to flood |
| 05:51.26 | rredd4_ | 6 lines |
| 05:51.43 | SerajewelKS | damnit |
| 05:51.49 | SerajewelKS | are all the .us.debian.org mirrors down? |
| 05:52.04 | rredd4_ | not sure |
| 05:52.08 | rredd4_ | try them |
| 05:52.13 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: just use a different mirror... |
| 05:52.14 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: unmaskirq = 1 & using_dma = 1 |
| 05:52.24 | SerajewelKS | rredd4_: i didn't ask about p.d.o |
| 05:52.40 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i've had bad luck with other mirrors being horribly out of sync |
| 05:52.57 | rredd4_ | due to |
| 05:52.57 | rredd4_ | amongst others a cron job from packages.debian.org started in 2005 still |
| 05:52.57 | rredd4_ | running |
| 05:52.59 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: most of the major university ones are just fine with being in sync |
| 05:53.00 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: If you run "dmesg" and/or look at /var/log/kern.log, do you see anything suspicious? |
| 05:53.07 | dondelelcaro | rredd4_: that's packages.debian.org, has nothing to do with the mirrors |
| 05:53.32 | rredd4_ | i understand |
| 05:53.43 | BucWheat | any comedi users? www.comedi.org |
| 05:53.58 | BucWheat | i'm having issues installing this with new sarge 3.1 install |
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| 05:54.36 | rredd4_ | i have trouble understanding the man pages.. how do i dpkg a file.. switches to use..? |
| 05:54.49 | dondelelcaro | rredd4_: dpkg -i foo.deb; |
| 05:54.57 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: oh wow.. i found a mirror in my state. all of the lists (etch packages, etch sources, sid sources) finished downloading before the first was bunzipped |
| 05:55.26 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes... I usually use debian.usc.edu, which does just about the same... |
| 05:55.30 | rredd4_ | dondelelcaro: without the ; ? |
| 05:55.47 | dondelelcaro | rredd4_: doesn't matter. |
| 05:55.51 | rredd4_ | k |
| 05:55.52 | rredd4_ | ty |
| 05:55.55 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: hrm, I do see some errors from "drm:radeon_cp_init" and "drm:drm_unlock", which according to google means my AGP backend isn't being loaded |
| 05:56.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: damn.. 3mb/s |
| 05:56.33 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro do you think you could help me on this issue? the last time i tried to install comedi i had to roll my own kernel and when i did so my usb wouldn't work and i couldn't ftp from sarge to ftp servers |
| 05:56.36 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes... I'm on calren2, so that's pretty much what I get. It's basically limited to the interface speed... |
| 05:56.42 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: yeah, that could do it. Your problem is definitely symptomatic of something tying up the PCI bus |
| 05:57.10 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: I don't have any experience with comedi, but feel free to ask |
| 05:57.21 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i think my university connection is limiting it a bit, but that still fast. i usually get ~200k/sec on random sites. |
| 05:57.27 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I'll see if I can figure out AGP + ATI. I've never had much luck with this card, but my old NVidia card just wouldn't work with this new motherboard. :( |
| 05:57.32 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: I don't know what you need, but on my system, I have the agpgart and intel_agp kernel modules loaded |
| 05:58.07 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro well i'd like to know the best way to install it on sarge without having to recompile kernel. make modules_assist does not work. a bug report has been issued and it has yet to be fixed |
| 05:58.19 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: if you figure out the AGP thing, you might also be able to get the nvidia card working (no promises though, of course :) ) |
| 05:58.51 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: well, the best way would be to use m-a a-i comedi; assuming that actually worked. |
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| 05:59.03 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I don't think so; it was locking up my machine when X would start, and that was with my old kernel before I upgraded |
| 05:59.03 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: if it doesn't, then you'll have to figure out why it's failing. What's the bug number? |
| 05:59.06 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: You might want to try a more recent kernel, if your motherboard is really new. |
| 05:59.17 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro let me find it for you |
| 05:59.22 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 273945 |
| 05:59.25 | dpkg | #273945:I[comedi-source] comedi-source: Fails to build with kernel 2.6.7; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:18:05 UTC |
| 05:59.34 | Buddha| | Is OpenOffice 2.0 available in stable yet? |
| 05:59.42 | SerajewelKS | Buddha|: new packages don't go into stable |
| 05:59.55 | SerajewelKS | Buddha|: until a new stable is released |
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| 06:00.27 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Right, but IIRC, you can make the nvidia drivers use the Linux agpgart drivers, instead of its own AGP drivers. Assuming it's an AGP problem, solving the problem for ATI might also solve the problem for nvidia (with the right nvidia config option, anyway) |
| 06:00.33 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: or not :) |
| 06:00.37 | Buddha| | SerajewelKS - okay, where is OpenOffice.org 2.0 available? Testing? Unstable? |
| 06:00.45 | SerajewelKS | Buddha|: it's in testing |
| 06:00.53 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I don't think the old Nvidia card + new motherboard played well together. But if you're right, I'd sure be happier about it. =) |
| 06:01.01 | Mortalman | Ok, I'm using XDM. I have it start xmessage via shell script to show some reboot/shutdown buttons. How would I go about killing this when the user logs in ? |
| 06:01.02 | SerajewelKS | !info openoffice.org etch |
| 06:01.17 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 06:01.18 | rredd4_ | i need libwvstream4.0-base and libwvstream4.0-extras I am in the ftp site.. not sure where it is located |
| 06:01.32 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro i'm running 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:01.38 | BucWheat | so that isn't the one |
| 06:01.41 | rredd4_ | looked in the libw dir not there |
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| 06:02.05 | ft | rredd4_: why don't you use apt? |
| 06:02.34 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: #319161 ? |
| 06:02.36 | rredd4_ | ft no dial up connection yet.. using winxp now |
| 06:02.38 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 319161 |
| 06:02.41 | dpkg | #319161:N[comedi-source] comedi-source: Unable to build comedi modules with modules-assistant or make-kpkg; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:33:09 UTC |
| 06:02.53 | rredd4_ | need connection first |
| 06:02.57 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: if that's it, there's an easy solution mentioned in the bug log |
| 06:03.51 | Dwonis | rredd4_: If you have a Debian CD or DVD, you can still use apt |
| 06:03.52 | ft | rredd4_: /pub/debian/pool/main/w/wvstreams |
| 06:03.58 | ccg | what package includes a .rar uncompressor |
| 06:04.11 | ft | ccg: unrar? |
| 06:04.30 | ccg | ec-: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 06:04.48 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro what link are you looking at because i do not see a log |
| 06:05.00 | Dwonis | ccg: try unrar-free |
| 06:05.23 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: bugs.debian.org/319161 |
| 06:05.29 | Dwonis | ccg: If that doesn't work, you'll have to put non-free in your sources.list to get the non-free version of unrar |
| 06:06.04 | ccg | okie thanks |
| 06:06.12 | ft | ccg: if you got rar 3.0 archives you will require unrar-nonfree |
| 06:06.17 | rredd4_ | ft: i found it.. ty.. my sources.lst does not list all 14 cd's my cd1 crashed on me and am using net install cd.. i just have kernel now no deb distro |
| 06:07.03 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro let me try that. what can i do if i want the cvs version since that version has a fix for the card i'm using? |
| 06:07.31 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro i've already grabbed it from cvs |
| 06:08.17 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: easiest thing is probably just to replace the files and keep the scripts in the same location. |
| 06:09.08 | BucWheat | so your saying apt-get install comedi-source and then replace those files with the ones from the cvs but leave the scripts alone? |
| 06:09.15 | Dwonis | BucWheat: If the CVS version has a debian/ directory, you could use "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" |
| 06:09.29 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: right |
| 06:09.48 | dondelelcaro | Dwonis: actually, you can just fakeroot debian/rules binary; no need to bother building the .orig.tar.gz and diff.gz |
| 06:10.08 | Dwonis | dondelelcaro: good point |
| 06:10.19 | BucWheat | let me see if it has a deb dir |
| 06:10.54 | BucWheat | it has a debian dir |
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| 06:11.35 | BucWheat | so now what? run fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc ? |
| 06:11.52 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: just fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 06:12.01 | Dwonis | BucWheat: or "fakeroot debian/rules binary", as dondelelcaro said; it might be faster |
| 06:12.13 | Buddha| | SerajewelKS - hmm. I don't seem to have openoffice.org-core available... |
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| 06:13.04 | Dwonis | BucWheat: That should generate a .deb package that you can install |
| 06:13.14 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: Just figured out I compiled in nForce/nForce2 support for AGP into my kernel, but it is probably a lame solution for nForce3 support |
| 06:13.39 | BucWheat | well so much for the easy route guys turns out the debian dir just has CVS stuff in there no rules |
| 06:13.40 | rredd4_ | where directory or directories does wvdial and the 2 libs go to when i get them? |
| 06:14.00 | rredd4_ | i have to mount my hda1 to get them |
| 06:14.02 | BucWheat | would it work if i grabbed the rules from the apt-get install comedi-source ? |
| 06:14.13 | rredd4_ | then put them somewhere |
| 06:14.33 | madradrone | rredd4_: why not use pppconfig and pon ? |
| 06:14.52 | rredd4_ | madradrone: can't get a connection with that |
| 06:15.02 | rredd4_ | was suggested i use wvdial |
| 06:15.02 | madradrone | rredd4_: both of which are part of minimal base install :-) |
| 06:15.13 | ft | rredd4_: when you've booted your debian, dpkg -i wvd....deb will install the package |
| 06:15.17 | eefwak | Anyone here used Dsclaer in windows? |
| 06:15.24 | madradrone | rredd4_: is this with the ltmodem driver? |
| 06:15.24 | eefwak | Dscaler |
| 06:15.31 | rredd4_ | no |
| 06:15.46 | rredd4_ | i have zoom.. external serial now |
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| 06:16.02 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Oh, I think that's referring to nForce/nForce2 *motherboard chipsets* not nvidia video cards |
| 06:16.28 | madradrone | rredd4_: you can also use minicom and manually send and ati3 to the modem to see if its even connected |
| 06:16.35 | myst-dragon | I've always had to include support for the AGP chipset on the motherboard, as well as the video card |
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| 06:16.49 | dondelelcaro | stew: thanks for the patch |
| 06:16.51 | madradrone | s/and ati3/an ati3 command/ |
| 06:16.56 | nima | dom inspector = awesome |
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| 06:17.12 | Amarande | Debian install problems. :/ |
| 06:17.24 | Amarande | I have an e1000 type card, and it says No ethernet card detected? |
| 06:17.28 | Red_Cloud | I am now totally disgusted with the Moodin Login Screen Theme. Not enough instructions to make it work. It seems that only hackers can "make it work" because of imcomplete instructions |
| 06:17.35 | Amarande | How do I get around this? |
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| 06:17.54 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: odd. I wouldn't have expected that. In any case, you should actually be able to compile in support for *all* of the chipsets without any problems. Only the driver for the hardware you actually have will be used. |
| 06:17.55 | streuner | !listvals e1000 |
| 06:18.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e1000' by value (1): e1000. |
| 06:18.22 | Amarande | Well, under Knoppix it loads up as an e1000. |
| 06:18.33 | Amarande | It's an Intel 82541PI based gigabit. |
| 06:18.40 | BucWheat | Dwonis there is no rules in the CVS version :( |
| 06:18.44 | madradrone | Amarande: maybe there's no module for it with the default installer kernel? |
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| 06:18.56 | Amarande | madradrone: it's listed in the modules I can load |
| 06:19.05 | Amarande | but if I try to load it manually, it still says it failed to load the module |
| 06:19.08 | madradrone | Amarande: and you did load it? |
| 06:19.13 | madradrone | hmm |
| 06:19.14 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Back when I had an nvidia card (Riva TNT!) with an AMD CPU, all I needed was the "VIA chipset support" |
| 06:19.45 | Amarande | Also, Knoppix is failing to detect the USB mouse again. |
| 06:19.49 | WireDDD | man I hate via |
| 06:19.53 | madradrone | Amarande: did you run lsmod in console to verify its not already loaded? |
| 06:19.57 | Amarande | It seems every time I wipe Windows from the system, Linux stops detecting the mouse. |
| 06:20.00 | Amarande | I don't know why. |
| 06:20.08 | rredd4_ | madradrone: s/ ati3/ syntax right? |
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| 06:20.41 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: yeah, it's a suboption off of /dev/agpart in the kernel config. At least with 2.6 kernels. |
| 06:20.44 | streuner | Amarande: laptop? |
| 06:20.47 | Dwonis | BucWheat: Too bad. I guess you can do what you were going to do before (installing comedia-source and then replacing the appropriate files from CVS). Or you can try copying the debian/ directory to the CVS version. I don't know anything specifically about comedi, unfortunately. |
| 06:20.49 | madradrone | rredd4_: just try to open the device with minicom and send an ati3 string to it |
| 06:20.59 | madradrone | rredd4_: turn local echo on first |
| 06:21.06 | Dwonis | s/specifically/specific/ |
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| 06:21.10 | madradrone | rredd4_: it should respond with an OK |
| 06:21.17 | Amarande | streuner: Full tower. About as un-laptop as it gets. :) |
| 06:21.20 | BucWheat | Dwonis k. thanks for your input |
| 06:21.29 | Amarande | It says it -didn't- detect an ethernet card. |
| 06:21.33 | rredd4_ | ok.. ty |
| 06:21.34 | rredd4_ | poof |
| 06:21.35 | madradrone | rredd4_: or i think the response should be the version of the modem or soemthing |
| 06:21.46 | rredd4_ | hmm |
| 06:21.49 | streuner | Amarande: what about to buy another NIC? |
| 06:21.55 | rredd4_ | k |
| 06:22.05 | omry | all the sudden programs that worked file stars to crash with errors like : "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x082d3d00 ***", any idea what can it be? |
| 06:22.26 | omry | how do I check the glibc version? |
| 06:22.56 | Amarande | streuner: The NIC is definitely Linux compatible. |
| 06:22.57 | streuner | omry: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:23.09 | Amarande | After all, I'm IRCing here from Knoppix via that very NIC, soo ... |
| 06:23.27 | omry | 2.6.5.8 |
| 06:23.38 | omry | was that recently updated in etch? |
| 06:23.39 | streuner | Amarande: what kernel does it already use, btw? |
| 06:23.52 | madradrone | Amarande: but this is a virtual IRC application included with Knoppix. we aren't real ;-) |
| 06:23.52 | streuner | !info libc6 etch |
| 06:23.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 06:24.01 | Amarande | The kernel in Knoppix is 2.6.12. |
| 06:24.07 | Amarande | I'm not sure which one comes from the Debian installer disc. |
| 06:24.15 | Amarande | Is there any way to get a Debian installer disc with a better kernel? |
| 06:24.25 | streuner | Amarande: etch installer has 2.6.12 |
| 06:24.30 | Amarande | Ergh. |
| 06:24.34 | streuner | Amarande: beta etch 2.6.15 |
| 06:24.38 | Amarande | Etch has no security updates, though, doesn't it :/ |
| 06:24.51 | madradrone | Amarande: did you select the 2.6 kernel when installing, or use the default 2.4? |
| 06:25.07 | Amarande | The installer disc I have burned is 3.1r1, anyway. |
| 06:25.08 | Dwonis | heh. "libc6 is required". Who'da thought? |
| 06:25.11 | Amarande | There's a way to pick 2.6? |
| 06:25.18 | madradrone | Amarande: yes |
| 06:25.25 | Amarande | On 3.1r1, or only on testing? |
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| 06:25.29 | omry | streuner, it doesnt answer the question if it was upgraded recently. |
| 06:25.36 | madradrone | Amarande: type f3 for help at the startup and it give an option for that |
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| 06:26.23 | streuner | omry: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 06:26.40 | fooz | anyone know of a simple serial port comm program for linux? i keep forgetting its name |
| 06:26.49 | \amethyst | fooz: minicom |
| 06:26.54 | omry | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.5-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 06:26.56 | madradrone | Amarande: on stable |
| 06:26.56 | madradrone | Amarande: in fact, i always use the 2.6 kernel when doing stable installs |
| 06:26.57 | madradrone | Amarande: but Etch does also now have security updates |
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| 06:27.00 | fooz | not a whole terminal emulator like minicom, just something to open up a port and send commands |
| 06:27.26 | streuner | omry: and the second entry? |
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| 06:27.30 | madradrone | fooz: minicom |
| 06:27.36 | omry | streuner, there is no second entry. |
| 06:27.40 | Amarande | okay, time to go give that a go. |
| 06:27.49 | \amethyst | minicom isn't good for scripting :( |
| 06:27.51 | madradrone | fooz: a terminal emulator is how you send commands |
| 06:28.20 | fooz | no, I have a terminal emulator (xterm, screen, the console) |
| 06:28.22 | omry | streuner, 990 http://tv testing/main Packages |
| 06:28.22 | \amethyst | you don't need full-screen ansi though |
| 06:28.32 | \amethyst | the way minicom works |
| 06:28.32 | omry | thats my apt-proxy |
| 06:28.37 | streuner | omry: ah, your proxy :-) |
| 06:28.48 | BucWheat | line 1: dpkg-parsechangelog: command not found. i get that in error log while trying to module-assistant build comedi |
| 06:28.50 | omry | streuner, which serves me well :) |
| 06:28.52 | streuner | omry: well, sounds like etch/testing then |
| 06:28.53 | fooz | i said already i'm not looking for minicom. I know what i'm looking for, I just forgot its name |
| 06:29.03 | omry | streuner, waht do you mean? |
| 06:29.19 | streuner | omry: its ok |
| 06:29.20 | fooz | there's some command that takes a serial device as an argument, and it opens it and connects it to your terminal |
| 06:29.35 | BucWheat | what package contains dpkg-parsechangelog ? |
| 06:29.37 | omry | streuner, ok.. so what can this crap be? both eclipse and xchat gives me errors like that. |
| 06:29.40 | dondelelcaro | fooz: what, like minicom? |
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| 06:29.58 | Jacobo221 | hi, is there any way to have the GNOME Desktop directory soemwhere else? I want it to be in ~/.Desktop |
| 06:30.02 | fooz | sunday really is every day. |
| 06:30.05 | streuner | omry: /msg dpkg bts |
| 06:30.11 | streuner | omry: welcome to testing |
| 06:30.30 | omry | streuner, I installed eclispe manually. |
| 06:30.38 | omry | two versions crash. |
| 06:30.50 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: install build-essential |
| 06:30.52 | bucky | seyon / |
| 06:30.57 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro k |
| 06:31.25 | \amethyst | fooz: ser2net maybe? |
| 06:31.48 | \amethyst | I'm not sure though |
| 06:31.48 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro now i get: dh_testdir: Command not found |
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| 06:31.55 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: install debhelper |
| 06:31.59 | BucWheat | k |
| 06:32.03 | \amethyst | whether it fakes a telnet connection, or whether it does slip |
| 06:32.10 | bucky | seyon Zmodem Kermit modemu |
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| 06:33.24 | dondelelcaro | fooz: if you just want to open up the port and send commands, you can cat directly to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:34.13 | fooz | nope. there was a program in Debian called dip (part of some SLIP tools) that went away, but something appeared just like it |
| 06:34.14 | \amethyst | no flow control that way |
| 06:34.19 | fooz | I used it a few weeks ago.. I just can't remember wtf it is |
| 06:34.49 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: right, but who needs flow control? ;-) |
| 06:35.20 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro what is the paste page? i have another error i would like for you to look at |
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| 06:35.53 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 06:35.53 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
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| 06:36.13 | \amethyst | fooz: picocom? |
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| 06:36.27 | fooz | no :/ |
| 06:36.32 | fooz | nevermind |
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| 06:36.35 | \amethyst | not used it myself |
| 06:36.36 | fooz | i'll go read every package name |
| 06:36.38 | Amarande | Okay, 2.6 did a -little- better. |
| 06:36.42 | \amethyst | That's what I'm doing :) |
| 06:36.48 | \amethyst | well, /~dmodem |
| 06:36.49 | Amarande | But it loads the e1000 driver and then still claims there's no ethernet card. |
| 06:36.58 | Amarande | Is e1000 considered a bleeding edge new driver? |
| 06:37.05 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.41 | Amarande | Am I going to have to either use a test distro or abandon Debian for some other dist? |
| 06:38.50 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS: About as soon as we see a Java desktop, I imagine :) |
| 06:39.07 | SerajewelKS | Dwonis: isn't solaris' DE written in java? |
| 06:39.07 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: give us the lspci output |
| 06:39.17 | Buddha| | SerajewelKS - CLR? |
| 06:39.24 | SerajewelKS | Buddha|: aka .NET |
| 06:39.27 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS: My understanding is that it isn't. |
| 06:39.27 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro http://channels.debian.net/paste/1682. |
| 06:39.31 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: will the lspci output from this Knoppix boot do? |
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| 06:39.52 | SerajewelKS | Dwonis: okay i really don't know i just thought it was |
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| 06:39.57 | Amarande | eth controller shows up as this: |
| 06:39.58 | Amarande | 0000:01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 107c (rev 05) |
| 06:40.00 | Buddha| | SerajewelKS - No. Solaris' DE is Gnome. |
| 06:40.11 | SerajewelKS | Buddha|: even ancient solaris? |
| 06:40.23 | Amarande | Successfully loads under e1000 on Knoppix. 2.4 Debian install doesn't even load e1000, 2.6 install loads it but doesn't activate eth0. |
| 06:40.30 | Buddha| | SerajewelKS - it used to be CDE, the Common Desktop Environment. |
| 06:40.31 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS: I think ancient solaris uses CDE or Motif |
| 06:40.35 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: and which module has been loaded to deal with that card? have you tried the normal eepro driver or the e100 driver? |
| 06:40.37 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 06:40.39 | Buddha| | which looks like crap |
| 06:40.41 | Amarande | e100 does nothing. |
| 06:40.52 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: check dmesg|less; on the knoppix box and give us the output related to that card. |
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| 06:41.56 | Amarande | e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 06:42.00 | SerajewelKS | only thing i don't like about mono and stuff is that binaries still end in .exe |
| 06:42.48 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: hrm; and the dmesg output when you load the e1000 driver on the Debian installer? |
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| 06:42.58 | Amarande | That I couldn't get at. |
| 06:43.13 | Amarande | I know loading the e1000 driver gives no error message, and no nothing, really. |
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| 06:43.26 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: sure you can. F2; run dmesg|less |
| 06:43.37 | Amarande | Okay, reboot time. |
| 06:43.43 | Amarande | Y'know, one bad thing about a fast machine ... |
| 06:43.52 | Amarande | It is very hard to switch the CDs in time when booting up. :) |
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| 06:44.09 | Thanatermesis | what is the "armor" mode on the GPG signatures ? |
| 06:44.35 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: you may also want to get a copy of the etch d-i ready as well, as that may be easier if you can't get the e1000 driver to work |
| 06:44.43 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: i'd guess ascii |
| 06:44.51 | fhffhqvb | i wonder if it'll make much of a difference if i swap my 2 rtl8139's for 3c905's in my p166mxx router pc. i just routes internet (4mbit/768) for my LAN |
| 06:45.11 | Thanatermesis | just is for save the signature file in ascii mode ? |
| 06:45.27 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: what signatures are we talking about |
| 06:45.32 | dondelelcaro | fhffhqvb: dunno; you're probably right at the upper limit for transfers by that card. ;-) |
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| 06:46.16 | fhffhqvb | dondelelcaro: it doesn't do more than 500K/sec at any given moment |
| 06:46.38 | dondelelcaro | fhffhqvb: yeah, and I'd be surprised if it could... ;-) |
| 06:46.41 | streuner | fhffhqvb: hehe, sounds like my SiS NIC too ;-) |
| 06:47.01 | fhffhqvb | it's a 10/100mbit card :-| |
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| 06:47.14 | Thanatermesis | SerajewelKS about sign a file, for verify after it |
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| 06:47.49 | fhffhqvb | i don't think there's a way to measure how much CPU resources a NIC is using, is there? |
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| 06:48.33 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: Well, I've got AGP working now, but my sound problem remains anyway. |
| 06:48.35 | Nurbs | fhffhqvb: it doesn't matter for your purpose |
| 06:48.37 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: you're trying to verify a file, or sign a file? |
| 06:48.37 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro did you get a chance to look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1682 |
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| 06:49.02 | jshriver_ | greetings |
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| 06:49.15 | jshriver_ | need a little help setting up debian as a desktop machine |
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| 06:49.50 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: sigh. I dunno, then. You could try the OSS drivers (instead of ALSA) and see if it makes a difference. I know that worked for another sound card I had (but you really shouldn't need to for emu10k1/SBLive) |
| 06:49.53 | jshriver_ | it's been about 4 years since I built this machine and have been updating since... but I remember one problem I had initially... is that since Debian tries to keep things minimal.. it's hard to setup the core basics for a desktop |
| 06:50.19 | jshriver_ | for example.. there are hundreds of listings for gnome and X, but how do you install their core? |
| 06:50.24 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I'll give it a try, anyway. Can't hurt anything. |
| 06:50.30 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: Thanks for your help, though. |
| 06:50.35 | Thanatermesis | SerajewelKS both, i try to sign a file for a future verification for some users |
| 06:50.38 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: no problem |
| 06:50.46 | Thanatermesis | i just trying to know "what is" the armor option |
| 06:50.51 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: good luck |
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| 06:50.57 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: thanks =) |
| 06:51.09 | Amarande | It said something about e1000: Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obsolete ones. |
| 06:51.12 | Dwonis | Thanatermesis: --clear-sign, I think. Or you can use -a |
| 06:51.12 | susperia | mmm guys, i am using/abusing sarge on a production server, so i dont want to move to sid or so. How would I install something liek php5 which isnt in sid ? |
| 06:51.15 | Amarande | Then it gave the copyright and version notice. |
| 06:51.17 | Amarande | Then nothing else. |
| 06:51.24 | Amarande | The driver loads successfully but does not find the card, it seems. |
| 06:51.28 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: the armor option converts the signature from binary to ASCII so it can be pasted in an email for example |
| 06:51.29 | streuner | Amarande: 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 06:51.31 | konfuzed | is it common for those SiS nic s to not deliver full bandwidth on the LAN ?? |
| 06:51.34 | Amarande | I don't know how Knoppix does it so I don't know what's going on. |
| 06:51.37 | Amarande | 2.6. |
| 06:51.41 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: it's intended to be used in channels that aren't 8-bit clean, like email |
| 06:51.52 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: if you're uploading to a website, you can leave it unarmored |
| 06:52.07 | streuner | Amarande: did you try etch d-i too? |
| 06:52.09 | SerajewelKS | Thanatermesis: binary signatures are .sig by convention, ASCII-armored are .asc |
| 06:52.20 | anavim | how do I get eth0 to work? I get the error "No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases", etc. The router works fine though |
| 06:52.30 | jshriver_ | also how do I enable DMA on a DVD drive? I'm using Nero right now, and what normally takes me 20min to burn a DVD is taking almost 2 hrs |
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| 06:52.37 | streuner | anavim: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 06:52.42 | jshriver_ | not sure why DMA was turned off |
| 06:52.58 | Amarande | I didn't try Etch yet. |
| 06:53.01 | Thanatermesis | aham, ok SerajewelKS, i understand now, thx :) |
| 06:53.05 | Amarande | I only have an install disc burned for Sarge currently. |
| 06:53.24 | Amarande | How stable does Etch usually run? |
| 06:53.30 | Daveman | PeterS, are you here? :) |
| 06:53.33 | Amarande | This is going to be my main OS for the long haul, soo ... |
| 06:53.36 | konfuzed | anavim: what network card do you have |
| 06:53.42 | Daveman | Amarande, sweet. |
| 06:53.57 | Amarande | Yeah, Windows kinda puked its guts when I tried it on this PC, so there it goes. |
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| 06:54.20 | Amarande | And I don't have the patience to be dealing with Windows Activation twice a day trying to get things to work right. |
| 06:54.27 | Dwonis | jshriver_: If it's IDE, you can use hdparm -d1 -u1 /dev/hdx |
| 06:54.29 | anavim | streuner: when I do that, I get the same error |
| 06:54.41 | Dwonis | jshriver_: or /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 or whatever |
| 06:55.20 | Amarande | By the way ... the /proc/modules line for the ethernet module reads "e1000 97204 0 - Live 0xf8d07000" |
| 06:55.33 | Amarande | It doesn't give me any help in telling me if I might need to give e1000 some parameters, though. |
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| 06:55.46 | jshriver_ | hdparm command not found.. |
| 06:55.53 | anavim | konfuzed: how do I get the name of the card from cli? |
| 06:56.02 | Amarande | Or are pre-2.6.12 kernels simply too old for this hardware? |
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| 06:56.17 | streuner | Amarande: no |
| 06:56.24 | Dwonis | jshriver_: apt-get install hdparm |
| 06:56.27 | konfuzed | dmsg |grep eth0 should do |
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| 06:56.55 | Dwonis | konfuzed, anavim: that should be dmesg, not dmsg |
| 06:57.01 | konfuzed | dmesg |grep eth0 should do it |
| 06:57.08 | konfuzed | ooooops |
| 06:57.18 | anavim | konfuzed: RealTek RTL8139 |
| 06:57.22 | Amarande | streuner: then what do I need to be telling the Debian installer to get it to actually load e1000 properly? |
| 06:57.33 | konfuzed | ahhh |
| 06:57.45 | Amarande | Currently, as I said, in 2.4 it won't load, and in 2.6 it will load, looks successful in dmesg, but still says the eth card was not detected. |
| 06:57.53 | anavim | konfuzed: identified 8139 chip-type "RTL-8100B/8139D" |
| 06:57.53 | konfuzed | some how RealTek always osunds old |
| 06:58.03 | jshriver_ | Is it possible to revert from testing back to stable? |
| 06:58.06 | streuner | Amarande: you could just try another installer and upgrade to sarge then... |
| 06:58.19 | streuner | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 06:58.20 | Dwonis | konfuzed: RTL8139 is actually a really nice chipset, IIRC |
| 06:58.26 | jshriver_ | I was running stable for years.. but I did a update/upgrade a month ago.. and now I'm running testing for some reason |
| 06:58.42 | konfuzed | oh well thats good to know that RealTek now has some really nice chip sets |
| 06:58.43 | carlb | hi, I am trying to get a tcl program running on a linux box that used to run on older unix machines and it requires execution of top using the batch flag, but it bombs on linux because top wants TERM to be set... any tips? |
| 06:58.46 | streuner | Amarande: http://www.beekum.nl/pe26xx.iso |
| 06:59.07 | carlb | "top could not be run - TERM environment variable not set." |
| 06:59.30 | Amarande | I'm going to be a wreck at work today. |
| 06:59.36 | jshriver_ | hrm installed hdparm from apt.. but still can't find it.. whre does it install to? |
| 06:59.54 | Amarande | It's 2am, I'm to be at work at noon, and I'm not going to get ANY sleep because I promised myself I'd have this thing set up by evening. |
| 07:00.03 | carlb | -bn1 sets top's output to batch so I am surprised top on debian wants an environment variable |
| 07:00.13 | Amarande | Oh well, if I get fired I have plenty of time to set up Linux. :) |
| 07:00.13 | carlb | (working on Sunday?) |
| 07:00.20 | SerajewelKS | can i start X.org with a custom configuration? |
| 07:00.28 | SerajewelKS | configuration file |
| 07:00.33 | konfuzed | RealTek would be the network card choice of Sponge Bob Square Pants |
| 07:00.44 | konfuzed | Krabby Kards |
| 07:00.50 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ya. put it in /etc/X11/ |
| 07:01.05 | carlb | where do I for top questions? |
| 07:01.09 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: e.g. specify it on the command-line |
| 07:01.13 | carlb | am I am in the wrong place? |
| 07:01.17 | Chris62vw | whats an easy way to burn an .iso onto a cd in debian? I don't know where to start. thanks |
| 07:01.25 | SerajewelKS | Chris62vw: cdrecord |
| 07:01.33 | Chris62vw | SerajewelKS, thanks! |
| 07:01.34 | SerajewelKS | Chris62vw: or k3b |
| 07:01.42 | Chris62vw | will check both out |
| 07:01.51 | SerajewelKS | Chris62vw: cdrecord is CLI, k3b is KDE |
| 07:02.04 | Chris62vw | cdrecord it is |
| 07:02.21 | Amarande | What's that pe26xx.iso do, by the way? |
| 07:02.39 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: i need to maintain two different configurations (one for DVI+VGA twinview, other for solo TV-out) |
| 07:02.44 | Amarande | Chris: Also useful ... |
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| 07:02.58 | streuner | Amarande: Victor van Beekum's netinst image \u2014 30MB netinst installer for Debian 3.0 "woody" on i386, tailored for Dell PE2600 and PE2650 and similar models' hardware RAID and gigabit ethernet driver requirements (aacraid, megaraid 1.18f, e1000, |
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| 07:03.02 | Amarande | As a quick way to make sure your CD burned correctly, just rip it back to an ISO and compare. |
| 07:03.07 | anavim | konfuzed: hmmm.. trying a different network card |
| 07:03.27 | BucWheat | looks like i'm going to have to roll my own kernel since i can't use modules-assist to get the comedi package to work. how can i copy the default sarge kernel config and recompile? |
| 07:03.37 | Amarande | streuner: should I be setting up everything I want to set up under woody, then upgrade to sarge? |
| 07:03.45 | Amarande | or do applications installs after sarge? |
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| 07:04.11 | streuner | Amarande: just get the base-system and upgrade to sarge then |
| 07:04.30 | Amarande | Procedure for upgrading woody to sarge? |
| 07:04.45 | streuner | Amarande: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 07:05.01 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: found it, Xorg -config my.conf |
| 07:05.14 | rolemodel | whats the file for apache2 ssl? |
| 07:05.23 | Dwonis | Amarande: heh, that was a while ago :) |
| 07:05.37 | Amarande | ergh. |
| 07:05.48 | streuner | Amarande: option 2) you follow dondelcaro's advice and use etch d-i |
| 07:06.09 | streuner | s/dondelcaro's/dondelelcaro's/ |
| 07:06.12 | rolemodel | i accidentally installed apache 1 ssl stuff. how do i get rid of it? |
| 07:06.25 | Amarande | like I said, is etch stable enough to be being used as a main OS for long-term use? |
| 07:06.59 | Amarande | Of course, maybe I should just be grateful that I don't have to use sid. :) |
| 07:07.16 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: cool. |
| 07:07.51 | streuner | Amarande: depends what packages you use |
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| 07:07.57 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: hrm, when i run it with a -config option i get: Cannot move old log file ("/var/log/Xorg.1.log" to "/var/log/Xorg.1.log.old" |
| 07:08.05 | Amarande | well, for starters, I know I'm going to be doing quite a bit of use of X |
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| 07:08.09 | Amarande | and probably be wanting to use WINE. |
| 07:08.15 | streuner | Amarande: you have always problems with environments (GNOME, KDE) |
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| 07:08.29 | streuner | Amarande: in testing or unstable... |
| 07:09.08 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: well. my xorg.conf file has diff sections using diff driver: eg: NV, nvidia, nvidia dual monitor, and nvidia svga out. i startx -layout LAYOUTNAME |
| 07:09.23 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: but i dont know how diff config file works |
| 07:09.45 | Amarande | Oh, bloody heck. |
| 07:10.04 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: those are ServerLayours? |
| 07:10.08 | SerajewelKS | s/rs/ts/ |
| 07:10.10 | deadcat | if you havent tried 3ddesktop, give it a try. its fun (= |
| 07:10.16 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ya. let me show you |
| 07:10.32 | Daveman | haha |
| 07:10.33 | Amarande | Do I need all 15 of them? |
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| 07:10.53 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: 3ddesktop is a CPU rapist though =/ |
| 07:10.58 | Amarande | Unless I should be using amd64 instead of i386, but the amd64 ones look kinda broken. |
| 07:11.00 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/xorg.conf notice the config file that i have like 5 layouts in the xorg.conf file |
| 07:11.14 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: not really. my 800mhz runs really nice. |
| 07:11.28 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: just need to setup openglx |
| 07:11.48 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: no i mean the daemon |
| 07:11.56 | ilba7r | anyone know how to play / convert mkv media files |
| 07:11.57 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it takes a shot of the desktop about once a second |
| 07:12.02 | streuner | Amarande: so you running amd64? |
| 07:12.13 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: really? i dont notice. |
| 07:12.36 | Amarande | Yeah, I just upgraded the box to Athlon 64 a few days ago. |
| 07:12.43 | Amarande | I don't know if that has anything to do with the trouble. |
| 07:12.51 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i just run 3ddeskd and thats it. top doesnt even have it on the top 20 list. |
| 07:12.56 | Amarande | As in, whether e1000 would load fine if it was on my P4 board. |
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| 07:13.08 | Amarande | And no, I don't feel like breaking my back all night switching back all the hardware to test that. :) |
| 07:13.11 | streuner | Amarande: ask in #debian-amd64 then |
| 07:13.20 | deadcat | streuner: time to give 3ddesktop a try |
| 07:13.32 | streuner | deadcat: heh? |
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| 07:14.04 | deadcat | streuner: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ibook/2006-01-28-120143_1024x768_scrot.png hehe |
| 07:14.44 | streuner | nice |
| 07:15.17 | deadcat | streuner: ya. pretty fancy. at first i thought it was a wm, but its a pager |
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| 07:15.45 | Amarande | yay, debian-amd64 is quieter than a tomb |
| 07:15.48 | jariep2_ | what is the name of the configuration file in exim4? |
| 07:16.13 | deadcat | Amarande: ya. because debian users dont have that kind of fancy cpus |
| 07:16.14 | Amarande | streuner, will I still be able to get usual sarge security update packages using the amd64 installer? |
| 07:16.24 | streuner | Amarande: ok, google and search in debian ML (mailing-lists) then |
| 07:16.25 | deadcat | jariep2_: check /etc/ |
| 07:16.32 | jariep2_ | ok |
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| 07:16.44 | streuner | Amarande: sorry, i have no idea about amd64 at all |
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| 07:18.08 | Buddha| | deadcat - how did you get that terminal to show multiple apps? |
| 07:18.21 | deadcat | Buddha|: SCREEN |
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| 07:18.48 | rolemodel | how do i uninstall any particular app from debian? |
| 07:18.55 | deadcat | Buddha|: which screenshot you talking about? |
| 07:18.58 | Dwonis | GNU screen has to be one of the most useful programs ever |
| 07:19.00 | deadcat | rolemodel: apt-get remove |
| 07:19.10 | deadcat | Dwonis: amen.. top 5 |
| 07:19.11 | Buddha| | deadcat - http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ibook/2005-03-28-175502_1024x768_scrot.png?width=2048 |
| 07:19.21 | Amarande | it looks like i might be better off with the i386 for now, though |
| 07:19.30 | Amarande | anyway, there's no netinst image for etch |
| 07:19.35 | deadcat | Buddha|: ya. i split with screen |
| 07:19.38 | Amarande | so do I need to download all 15 ISO's or just the first? |
| 07:19.40 | anavim | hmmm... my second wireless card, a VIA VT6102 Rhine II, doesn't work either |
| 07:20.06 | streuner | Amarande: usually d-i is enough |
| 07:20.07 | deadcat | Dwonis: i cant wait they get vertical split functioning in a future release (= |
| 07:20.13 | Buddha| | deadcat - how? |
| 07:20.16 | anavim | is there a hotplug kernel available which would make those cards work? |
| 07:20.19 | konfuzed | Dwonis: is GNU screen like a window that handles the shell commmand screen ? just wanna be sure |
| 07:20.26 | deadcat | Buddha|: ^a S |
| 07:20.34 | Amarande | d-i? |
| 07:20.40 | streuner | Amarande: but that sounds rather like an specific amd64 problem to me... |
| 07:20.44 | streuner | debian-installer |
| 07:20.46 | konfuzed | that could be compelling reason to switch from KDE to GNOME ;) |
| 07:20.48 | streuner | !d-i |
| 07:20.48 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:20.51 | Dwonis | rolemodel: If you want to uninstall *any* app: apt-get remove `dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | rl | cut -d' ' -f3` |
| 07:20.54 | rolemodel | deadcat dude. i did that for apache-ssl, but /etc/apache-ssl is still there |
| 07:20.59 | Amarande | yah, it just occurred to me to ask dpkg. |
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| 07:21.20 | deadcat | rolemodel: me? |
| 07:21.20 | rolemodel | what gives? |
| 07:21.27 | rolemodel | deadcat yeah. |
| 07:21.35 | deadcat | i dont konw what you talking about |
| 07:21.48 | rolemodel | deadcat i did apt-get remove apache-ssl |
| 07:21.56 | deadcat | rolemodel: try dpkg -P apache-ssl |
| 07:22.10 | deadcat | rolemodel: next time use --purge with apt-get remove if you want to remove config files too. |
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| 07:22.41 | rolemodel | oh. okay. |
| 07:22.42 | konfuzed | so apt-get remove does not delete config files |
| 07:22.43 | rolemodel | cool. |
| 07:22.44 | Amarande | I'm supposing it's -not- possible to use the etch installer and then downgrade it to sarge. |
| 07:22.50 | deadcat | konfuzed: nope. |
| 07:23.04 | streuner | Amarande: true |
| 07:23.05 | rolemodel | deadcat so its up to me to remove that folder then. okay. |
| 07:23.12 | konfuzed | good to know for sure, that will no reduce some big headaches |
| 07:23.15 | rolemodel | so strange apache2-ssl doesnt pop up in apt |
| 07:23.27 | Amarande | What sort of problems should I be expecting with gnome, exactly? |
| 07:23.44 | deadcat | rolemodel: if you have messed with the dir (added files in the dir) then you will have to remove the dir yourself. else use apt-get remove --purge PKG will do the job |
| 07:23.46 | konfuzed | i never used apt get until recently and its well done good stuff |
| 07:23.49 | Dwonis | If you're new to Debian, it might be worth learning how to use aptitude. |
| 07:24.16 | konfuzed | better for me to use the shell i suppose |
| 07:24.26 | Amarande | You mentioned I might have some trouble with Gnome and KDE, but not exactly what sort. |
| 07:24.33 | ke6isf | rolemodel: It's probably under a different package. |
| 07:24.43 | Supaplex | aptitude will be your new superhero. |
| 07:24.52 | konfuzed | make me mezmerize everyting |
| 07:24.59 | konfuzed | eh Supaplex |
| 07:25.07 | rolemodel | heh |
| 07:25.07 | deadcat | ya. if you're new to debian, use aptitude... i guess. |
| 07:25.13 | Amarande | Are we talking 'occasional annoying glitch here and there until etch becomes stable', or 'total lossage' type? |
| 07:25.17 | Supaplex | konfuzed: you'll have a "new bible" to :) hehhee |
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| 07:25.28 | rolemodel | ke6isf yeah will check |
| 07:25.44 | konfuzed | just the Aptitude I need eh |
| 07:25.46 | Supaplex | !nickometer cold`n`lonely`em |
| 07:25.47 | dpkg | 'cold`n`lonely`em' is 69.000% lame, supaplex |
| 07:26.16 | cold`n`lonely`em | >.> |
| 07:26.19 | streuner | Amarande: Do you have another NIC? |
| 07:26.24 | deadcat | personally i dont use aptitude. but i hear its much better than apt-get/apt-cache |
| 07:27.01 | liable | except it doesn't have super cow powers.. |
| 07:27.01 | Dwonis | deadcat: I use aptitude for when I want to browse package dependencies (including suggests, recommends, etc). Otherwise, I use apt-cache and apt-get. |
| 07:27.03 | Amarande | streuner: Not that can be easily used. Other than the onboard ethernet on this mobo, and I'm not entirely sure what onboard ethernet nForce4 has. |
| 07:27.11 | Supaplex | it seems to order and handle more complicated upgrades/operations more gracefully (and with less breakage) |
| 07:27.15 | Amarande | But if e1000 isn't working, chances are something as bleeding edge as nForce4 isn't either, right? |
| 07:27.33 | liable | Dwonis: you can use aptitude just like apt-get (ie non intereactive) |
| 07:27.53 | deadcat | Dwonis: i just apt-get and see the list of recommendation, since i usually dont install those. (=. i dont even have aptitude installed on my systems |
| 07:27.53 | cold`n`lonely`em | i know this is prolly a stupid questions, but idk wut the difference between distros, u got kde, bash, kernel versions, but wut difference is it that runs it, its still runs the same gui |
| 07:28.00 | Supaplex | aptitude is interactive? .. oh yea I forgot that. :-o |
| 07:28.02 | streuner | Amarande: well, try it. |
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| 07:28.08 | Amarande | cold`n`lonely`em: mostly it's a matter of support |
| 07:28.20 | Amarande | because yes, most linux distributions are pretty much the same under the hood |
| 07:28.35 | Supaplex | cold`n`lonely`em: it's also how the distro manages the software |
| 07:28.40 | Amarande | except for the package management tools and the support |
| 07:28.40 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 07:28.41 | dpkg | LFS sux0rz! |
| 07:28.50 | konfuzed | hmmm i dont have a gui on my debian box but do you think I could use Aptitude on an Edubuntu Workstation to mess with my debian apt-get ? and actually work too? |
| 07:28.52 | Dwonis | liable: yeah, I know you can, but it never really occurs to me to do so :) |
| 07:29.08 | Dwonis | konfuzed: aptitude is ncurses-based |
| 07:29.13 | Amarande | there's also often a few minor configuration differences |
| 07:29.14 | djp | would i have any reason to reinstall my debian system, due to the fact that i did not install the k7 kernel at the start but a few days later? in other words because i did not install the linux-image kernel for k7 processors when i installed all the other extra packages during the original install of debian, should i completely reinstall my pc or is that just utter madness? |
| 07:29.15 | konfuzed | really |
| 07:29.17 | konfuzed | how handy |
| 07:29.18 | Amarande | such as how init is configured |
| 07:29.19 | Dwonis | konfuzed: it also has a command-line interface |
| 07:29.27 | Supaplex | what does the super cow powers imply anyway? |
| 07:29.29 | Amarande | some distros run init, say, in runlevel 2 normally while others run in 3, 4, or 5 |
| 07:29.32 | konfuzed | hahahahaaa |
| 07:29.34 | rolemodel | could apache2 be upgraded to apache2-ssl in debian using apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:29.45 | liable | Supaplex: apt-get moo |
| 07:29.57 | Dwonis | rolemodel: You'd probably use apt-get install, not upgrade |
| 07:30.03 | cold`n`lonely`em | i'm too lazy to actually install linux normally, i just install from live cd |
| 07:30.19 | rolemodel | Dwonis i got apache2 already installed.. thats the reason why im asking |
| 07:30.22 | liable | Supaplex: then aptitude moo then +v and +vv etc :) |
| 07:30.31 | Amarande | At least we're not having this discussion a couple weeks ago. :) |
| 07:30.37 | konfuzed | right ok aptitude does run in blue and black |
| 07:30.38 | Dwonis | apt-get install also "upgrades" packages (unlike with RPM, dpkg doesn't have separate commands for installing and upgrading packages) |
| 07:30.39 | liable | cold`n`lonely`em: no live debian cd's |
| 07:30.48 | konfuzed | ok blue black grey and white |
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| 07:31.07 | Supaplex | rolemodel: they are different packages. it's not a dealership. just remove one, and install the other. and adjust configs |
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| 07:32.12 | cold`n`lonely`em | so in theory the best distro is based on file organization, functionality, popularity |
| 07:32.18 | Supaplex | !helixsmite qwest |
| 07:32.25 | Lewoco | How do I change the login prompt? |
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| 07:32.41 | deadcat | Lewoco: depends on the login program |
| 07:32.48 | konfuzed | Supaplex: i must say ive seen plenty of reasons to have seperate apache installations on the same box |
| 07:33.01 | Dwonis | rolemodel: I think mod_ssl is shipped with apache2 , isn't it? |
| 07:33.09 | deadcat | Lewoco: you talking about the getty family softwares right? |
| 07:33.25 | rolemodel | Dwonis looks like it. no wonder there isnt any apache2-ssl package |
| 07:33.32 | rolemodel | just had to run apace2-ssl-certificate :D |
| 07:33.38 | Supaplex | konfuzed: well, he was asking for an upgrade :P but yea, you can have multple instances, or just one instance (if you craft your config correctly) |
| 07:33.44 | konfuzed | hmmmm does apt-get or aptitude have an easy or rather straight forward method to do say 4 different chrooted apache versions |
| 07:34.01 | Dwonis | goedel:~# dpkg -L apache2-common | grep ssl.so |
| 07:34.04 | Dwonis | /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so |
| 07:34.15 | Lewoco | deadcat: yeah |
| 07:34.33 | Supaplex | mod-ssl > apache-ssl |
| 07:34.34 | deadcat | Lewoco: what you using? the default is "hostname login:" right? |
| 07:34.51 | Lewoco | deadcat: Yes, except it's got the wrong hostname. |
| 07:35.12 | konfuzed | ok so i need some chocolate cake cause these jumbo choclate chips arent cutting it anymore |
| 07:35.15 | deadcat | now thats silly. login and type hostname |
| 07:35.42 | fooz | omg I just found a rootable page on samsung's site |
| 07:35.58 | Dwonis | konfuzed: well, there's libapache2-mod-chroot, but I've never used it |
| 07:35.59 | fooz | who in this day and edge forgets to quote data going into an SQL db |
| 07:36.19 | deadcat | link |
| 07:36.20 | fooz | s/edge/age/ |
| 07:36.30 | Dwonis | fooz: You'd be surprised |
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| 07:36.55 | Dwonis | People's reliance on PHP magic quotes probably has a lot to do with it |
| 07:37.15 | fooz | i can't really paste a link; go pick a phone in their products catalogue, then try to rate it in their feedback system. if you keep going they'll ask you for comments in a textarea |
| 07:37.31 | fooz | it doesn't properly escape data you enter there |
| 07:37.40 | deadcat | fooz: too much trouble to look at it. just screenshot (= |
| 07:37.58 | ezu5t | hi - i am unable to install or remove libapache-mod-perl - i keep getting subprocess post-install script return status 1. my apt is broken. any hints on what to do? |
| 07:38.03 | Dwonis | fooz: subscribe to debian-security-announce. You'll quickly stop being surprised. |
| 07:38.05 | ezu5t | sid |
| 07:38.37 | streuner | ezu5t: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:38.38 | Dwonis | ezu5t: "subprocess post-install script return status 1" is rather meaningless. Can you post any other information? |
| 07:39.16 | fooz | wtf is TransFlash? is that another name for another format or is it something special? |
| 07:39.56 | Dwonis | it's the artery-clogging kind of flash, I imagine |
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| 07:40.02 | cold`n`lonely`em | is it possible to take 50 free gmail invites, make accounts, gmailfs them, and raid the mounts into 1 drive? |
| 07:40.19 | ezu5t | Dwonis: I agree the error is rather meaningless. where would I find more details about what happened? |
| 07:40.22 | deadcat | cold`n`lonely`em: let us know |
| 07:40.33 | konfuzed | fooz: is it a microsoft server? |
| 07:40.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:40.45 | Amarande | how would I go about checking the IRQ of PCI devices from a running system? |
| 07:40.46 | cold`n`lonely`em | in theory it could work |
| 07:40.48 | Supaplex | fooz: spontanious transvestite "flashers" - stay away from the pr0n man. ;) |
| 07:40.59 | cold`n`lonely`em | any software raiding programs exist? |
| 07:41.00 | Supaplex | Amarande: procinfo |
| 07:41.14 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:41.14 | streuner | Amarande: or cat /proc/interrupts |
| 07:41.26 | liable | ezu5t: check bts first, then if you get no clues, look at the postinst script |
| 07:41.27 | Amarande | Would the fact that the ethernet card is on IRQ 19 affect installation? |
| 07:41.49 | fooz | konfuzed, yeah, MS SQL |
| 07:41.56 | konfuzed | ah |
| 07:42.18 | streuner | Amarande: i would say no, as long as 19 isn't used by another device |
| 07:42.19 | liable | cold`n`lonely`em: yes, google linux software raid |
| 07:42.41 | cold`n`lonely`em | >.> |
| 07:42.42 | Amarande | There are no IRQ conflicts, actually. |
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| 07:42.57 | Amarande | I'm going to burn some of these ISOs and see if any of them picks up on the card. |
| 07:43.02 | konfuzed | is there a Debian Apache Team like some other projects? |
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| 07:43.05 | Amarande | Otherwise, I might have to switch to Fedora or something of the such. |
| 07:43.05 | konfuzed | !apache |
| 07:43.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 07:43.13 | konfuzed | no link |
| 07:43.16 | Amarande | unless |
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| 07:43.25 | Amarande | would specifically saying irq=19 help it load at all? |
| 07:43.34 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I recompiled OSS into my kernel, with no change. However, I'm beginning to suspect Firefox |
| 07:43.42 | cold`n`lonely`em | guadruple redundancy remote mass storage |
| 07:43.43 | Dwonis | konfuzed: http://httpd.apache.org/ :) |
| 07:43.48 | liable | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 07:43.48 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
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| 07:44.15 | jsizzle | can anyone tell me where to get firefox 1.5 or 1.6a debs? |
| 07:44.25 | jsizzle | thx in adv |
| 07:44.31 | streuner | jsizzle: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 07:44.35 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I realized it only seems to happen when I load up Firefox. I tried a set of tabs that were slowing Firefox and KDE down in mozilla |
| 07:44.45 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: so far, my audio is excellent. |
| 07:44.54 | konfuzed | Dwonis: do you have a link for a Debian Apache Team ? |
| 07:45.02 | fooz | ahh, transflash is MicroSD, which is different from MiniSD and SD |
| 07:45.02 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: wha?? That's... odd... |
| 07:45.11 | fooz | how retarded |
| 07:45.18 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: do you have some sort of weird plugin? |
| 07:46.41 | Dwonis | konfuzed: No, but there's a debian-apache mailing list |
| 07:46.50 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I'm about to test that by uninstalling each extension one at a time and see what happens |
| 07:46.51 | Dwonis | konfuzed: Maintainer: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 07:46.54 | cold`n`lonely`em | konfuzed, google |
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| 07:47.20 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: So is the audio coming *from* your browser? |
| 07:47.32 | myst-dragon | no, from XMMS |
| 07:47.40 | unixfool_ | whats the tool in linux to join multiple hard drives into one big partition? |
| 07:48.04 | jsizzle | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.5-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 07:48.05 | myst-dragon | I even tried mp3blaster from a tty login with no change. |
| 07:48.10 | Gnea | unixfool_: doesn't exist. |
| 07:48.36 | jsizzle | streuner: 500 ftp://ftp.cs.unm.edu testing/main Packages |
| 07:48.36 | susperia | theres no "tool" to just do it. consider software raid or something ? |
| 07:48.51 | unixfool_ | susperia, I think it basically is software raid, starts with a V |
| 07:48.58 | unixfool_ | I can never remember the damn name |
| 07:49.03 | liable | doesnt lvm do that? |
| 07:49.23 | unixfool_ | lvm! |
| 07:49.24 | unixfool_ | thats it! |
| 07:49.25 | jsizzle | streuner: what does that tell you? |
| 07:49.26 | unixfool_ | thanks! |
| 07:49.28 | Gnea | unixfool_: oh, you mean LVM? that's not a tool. |
| 07:49.36 | unixfool_ | Gnea, uh huh |
| 07:49.47 | streuner | jsizzle: the version you are running actually |
| 07:49.48 | fooz | you don't want to use LVM for that |
| 07:50.11 | jsizzle | streuner: cool, so can I get firefox 1.5 or later goin or no? |
| 07:50.16 | streuner | jsizzle: just get binaries of mozilla.org in order to get 1.5 for testing |
| 07:50.27 | cold`n`lonely`em | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 07:50.32 | Amarande | ergh, I'm losing it |
| 07:50.38 | Amarande | I almost wrote notes on my monitor with permanent marker |
| 07:50.49 | fooz | Amarant, oo that's a good idea |
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| 07:51.01 | Dwonis | Amarande: You can usually get that stuff off with isopropyl alcohol |
| 07:51.17 | fooz | you can erase pretty much any permanent marker using a dry erase (whiteboard) marker |
| 07:51.19 | streuner | s/mozilla.org/mozilla.com/ |
| 07:51.41 | Gnea | fooz: just combine it with crack and sure |
| 07:51.57 | Dwonis | Amarande: Feel free to try it and let us all know if it works. ;) |
| 07:51.58 | fooz | i've got a "Sharpie Industrial" marker that "resists chemical washes and steam" |
| 07:52.06 | Dwonis | Amarande: NO WARRANTY, of course |
| 07:52.14 | fooz | dry erase markers remove it |
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| 07:52.27 | liable | amazingly, aeroguard cleans that shit off like you wouldnt believe, imagine what it does for your health.. |
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| 07:52.50 | ke6isf | liable: Sounds like it cleans out your health. =^^= |
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| 07:53.18 | Buddha| | deadcat - what terminal do you use? |
| 07:53.24 | liable | ke6isf: i would rather get bitten by mozzies than use that stuff. |
| 07:53.29 | cold`n`lonely`em | ya know ... gmail accounts grow ... would that hurt the file system? |
| 07:53.30 | deadcat | Buddha|: xterm |
| 07:53.31 | Dwonis | jsizzle: According to Google's cache of packages.debian.org, the newest version of Firefox that's available is 1.5.dfsg-4 |
| 07:53.35 | Amarande | One thing I love about KNoppix's burner. |
| 07:53.37 | Amarande | It tells the truth. |
| 07:53.47 | Amarande | That I actually burn at around 24x, not 40x like I told the application to do :P |
| 07:54.00 | Dwonis | jsizzle: my guess is that's in unstable |
| 07:54.03 | fooz | what's aeroguard? |
| 07:54.10 | jsizzle | Dwonis: must be in unstable |
| 07:54.13 | liable | bug repellant |
| 07:54.16 | fooz | ah |
| 07:54.20 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: well, uninstalling every last extension did nothing. |
| 07:54.40 | Amarande | Hopefully I get Linux working before I run out of blank CDs. :) |
| 07:54.42 | fooz | why do cell phones suck so much? |
| 07:54.48 | fooz | at least sony claims they're coming out with a good one |
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| 07:55.18 | fooz | W810 - quad band GSM, EDGE, mp3 player, FM radio, 2mp camera :) |
| 07:55.19 | liable | mine works great, it rings, i talk into then i hang up :) |
| 07:56.08 | Buddha| | deadcat - how do you get the list of your screen sessions to display across the bottom of the terminal? Every terminal I use displays them in the titlebar. |
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| 07:56.30 | deadcat | Buddha|: hardstatus |
| 07:56.37 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: I feel your pain. |
| 07:57.09 | Amarande | Okay, time to try discs. |
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| 07:57.13 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: well, at least I can use Mozilla |
| 07:58.03 | fooz | I like a phone to do a bit more, but not TOO much |
| 07:58.05 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: well that's good. Your problem is so *weird*, though. |
| 07:58.11 | fooz | or rather, leave it up to the user (ie, smartphone) |
| 07:58.22 | djp | would i have any reason to reinstall my debian system, due to the fact that i did not install the k7 kernel at the start but a few days later? in other words because i did not install the linux-image kernel for k7 processors when i installed all the other extra packages during the original install of debian, should i completely reinstall my pc or is that just utter madness? |
| 07:58.30 | deadcat | fooz: i want a cellphone that has scramble capabilities. (= |
| 07:58.37 | Dwonis | Does anybody else here have any insights about myst-dragon's problem? Apparently firefox causes audio being played by XMMS to be choppy, but Mozilla doesn't. |
| 07:58.45 | fooz | you could probably do that w/ a Symbian phone |
| 07:58.47 | Dwonis | Switching between ALSA and OSS doesn't make a difference |
| 07:58.48 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: what gets me is it does it with both FF1.5 from mozilla.com and FF in testing |
| 07:58.54 | deadcat | fooz: really? |
| 07:59.09 | fooz | i imagine.. but the APIs to access the mic aren't public apparently |
| 07:59.33 | deadcat | fooz: what about those kidnapper voice thing? (= |
| 07:59.36 | liable | djp: yes, thats utter madness. |
| 07:59.38 | fooz | but there's programs that can add fake background noise (office environment, traffic) to your conversations.. and there's an answering machine app that takes over completely and works just like any answering machine |
| 07:59.41 | fooz | so i imagine it's possible |
| 07:59.52 | deadcat | fooz: i fucking want that (= |
| 08:00.04 | fooz | i think there are voice scrambler apps (payware though) |
| 08:00.41 | Dwonis | I wonder: Does Firefox 1.5 use any sort of video acceleration features, or like big mmaps that Mozilla doesn't? |
| 08:01.12 | susperia | fooz i have one of those apps on my phone |
| 08:01.20 | susperia | they work, but are overrated :P |
| 08:01.29 | myst-dragon | I wouldn't know, but I've begun to wonder the same thing |
| 08:01.38 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: is this an SMP kernel? |
| 08:01.52 | fooz | the answering machine app is the shit. but my symbian phones are both really unstable and I can't use them. |
| 08:02.03 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: no |
| 08:02.07 | Supaplex | !f bomb |
| 08:02.07 | dpkg | Watch the F%!( F BOMBS! keep it clean... |
| 08:02.13 | djp | liable, thank you. i needed that! :) |
| 08:02.46 | fooz | that wasn't an f-bomb |
| 08:02.53 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: On some machines in WinXP-land, there is apparently a bug in the BIOS for some Hyperthreading cpus that causes Firefox to hang randomly for 45 seconds at a time. |
| 08:02.54 | Supaplex | deadcat was |
| 08:03.02 | deadcat | Supaplex: ya i use the work fuck alot. |
| 08:03.05 | fooz | oh |
| 08:03.09 | fooz | fcuk! |
| 08:03.09 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: MSIE has way fewer problems |
| 08:03.12 | Supaplex | same principle :) |
| 08:03.16 | liable | wtf is an fbomb? saying fuck? |
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| 08:03.24 | fooz | yeah |
| 08:03.36 | deadcat | i dont even know whats fbomb. people make up weird words |
| 08:03.39 | Dwonis | I don't remember, do Uniprocessor Linux kernels support hyperthreading? |
| 08:03.49 | liable | well, we are all grown ups. |
| 08:03.49 | konfuzed | yuck http://cvs.raw.no/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/untested-patches/massfiling?rev=1.5 |
| 08:03.53 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: weird. I haven't had WinXP (or anything windows) touch the drives of this comp for about 4 years, so I don't know if the same problems occur |
| 08:04.04 | konfuzed | this makes it look dangerous to run apache on debian |
| 08:04.29 | Buddha| | deadcat - I've been fiddling with the hardstatus settings in ~/.screenrc, but it doesn't change anything |
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| 08:05.02 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: as for my XP machine, firefox was eating up hoardes of memory when I upgraded to 1.5, but I fixed that after wiping my profile information and starting anew. |
| 08:05.27 | deadcat | Buddha|: try his: http://metawire.org/~ootput/confs/dot.screen/_verbose-statusline its buggy.. i'll let you find out what is wrong with his hardstatus (= |
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| 08:05.44 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: You could look into that. Try moving any directories named $HOME/.firefox $HOME/.phoenix or $HOME/.mozilla out of the way |
| 08:05.45 | konfuzed | yet it is also good to know that the Debian Apache Team has identified these things as something to be take up with Apache direct and to pursue it |
| 08:05.47 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I tried wiping my profile data on this computer with no luck. |
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| 08:06.01 | deadcat | Buddha|: he has a short clock |
| 08:06.10 | konfuzed | i wonder how far thats coming along |
| 08:06.23 | Amarande | Okay, Etch does recognize the ethernet card. |
| 08:06.40 | Amarande | I'm still unsure as to whether I want completely flaky X desktop environments, though. |
| 08:06.48 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Does "top" show anything interesting when Firefox is running (use the "P" and "M" keys to switch between sorting by CPU and sorting by memory usage)? |
| 08:06.53 | Supaplex | myst-dragon: ls -a ~/ ; mkdir old ; mv .??* * old/ (you get the idea I hope) |
| 08:07.27 | Dwonis | Supaplex, myst-dragon: I'd be more inclided to just "adduser test" |
| 08:07.34 | Dwonis | s/inclided/inclined |
| 08:07.43 | myst-dragon | Supaplex: I've got the idea |
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| 08:07.49 | Buddha| | deadcat - I can't get hardstatus to show at all |
| 08:07.50 | deadcat | Buddha|: he suppose to fix the 2 bugs in his hardstatus and email me the line, but i havent got anything from him yet.. |
| 08:07.51 | liable | Amarande: you could install sarge, and get an etch kernel and you'll be good. |
| 08:08.01 | deadcat | Buddha|: show me your .screenrc |
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| 08:08.17 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 08:08.26 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I did check top earlier and noticed my load was way high for this machine (climbing as high as 7.0 or so); let me check top again |
| 08:08.32 | deadcat | Buddha|: just wget the config file ^^, and screen -c _verbose_blah |
| 08:08.39 | Amarande | Is there a way to bring up the ethernet configuration part of setup again post-install? |
| 08:08.49 | DaveLib | back again left computer about 4 hours ago away longer than expected |
| 08:08.56 | deadcat | Amarande: man 5 interfaces |
| 08:09.06 | Dwonis | Amarande: I usually just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:09.10 | liable | Amarande: there are gnome/kde things for that, or man interfaces/ifconfig |
| 08:09.14 | konfuzed | Supaplex is almost everywhere !? |
| 08:09.26 | Dwonis | Amarande: then you can use e.g. "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" |
| 08:09.28 | Amarande | liable: the thing is I have a netinst CD, so I wouldn't have any packages. |
| 08:09.30 | Supaplex | maybe :p |
| 08:09.40 | Amarande | I'm wondering if the guided configuration can be used in any way post-install. |
| 08:09.41 | Supaplex | when you have irssi, why /part ? ;) |
| 08:10.01 | fooz | I love phones that look like T610s |
| 08:10.11 | liable | Amarande: if your router does dhcp its pretty damn easy |
| 08:10.13 | konfuzed | fooz is it voip |
| 08:10.22 | DaveLib | wyzard|TP gave me some advice then that seems to have been a step forward with my problem of getting a chrooted tomboy to function |
| 08:10.30 | Amarande | heh, except I'm going to have to turn off DHCP ASAP |
| 08:10.30 | fooz | no, T610 is like the 3rd or 4th Bluetooth cell phone, it's pretty old now |
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| 08:10.44 | Amarande | I don't need to be running into problems where Ident etc. stop working because the Linux box and the Xbox swapped IPs. |
| 08:11.00 | liable | Amarande: really, the interfaces file definately isnt hard to work out. |
| 08:11.08 | DaveLib | following wyzard's suggestion i mount --bind between the real and chrooted /sys 's |
| 08:11.08 | fooz | Amarande, why would they swap IPs? |
| 08:11.11 | konfuzed | DaveLib: did you notice that stp-get has an apache-chroot |
| 08:11.23 | deadcat | Buddha|: dont paste in /msg. use pastebin or something. put on your site. |
| 08:11.31 | konfuzed | uhm s/stp-get/apt-get/ |
| 08:11.33 | DaveLib | konfuzed: no |
| 08:11.33 | Amarande | liable: okay, where would I put in the configuration then to tell it it should look for e1000? |
| 08:11.35 | fooz | Amarande, the default settings in dhcpd really don't ever like to give up IPs, they're cached seems like forever |
| 08:11.41 | Amarande | or will the regular kernel packages do that on boot? |
| 08:11.53 | Dwonis | Amarande: you'd probably stick that in /etc/modules |
| 08:11.57 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: Here's what I notice: firefox consistently stays at 5.3% memory, and Xorg at about 3.3%. |
| 08:12.06 | liable | Amarande: hotplug/discover should take care of it, or put the module in /etc/modules |
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| 08:12.14 | Buddha| | deadcat - http://pastebin.com/528450 |
| 08:12.17 | Amarande | okay. |
| 08:12.29 | konfuzed | Amarande: who made that e1000 |
| 08:12.30 | Buddha| | that's just the Terminal Settings section |
| 08:12.35 | konfuzed | is that intel |
| 08:12.37 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: That looks normal. Xorg uses 13%, and firefox-bin uses 12% onmy machine |
| 08:12.39 | deadcat | Buddha|: but they way. this is the bugs that guy has on his hardstatus: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/ootput_hardstatus/xwd_20060122_4971.png http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/ootput_hardstatus/xwd_20060122_5874.png?width=640 |
| 08:12.45 | Amarande | and will I expect to have problems with some applications cruftily thinking that the main network interface is loopback rather than eth0, because eth0 wasn't present at install? |
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| 08:12.49 | DaveLib | anyway that sys bind did help before that i clicked on a url in tomboy and got an error message problem with launched the default action for this file or something |
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| 08:13.01 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Note that the memory usage of Xorg is deceiving, because it includes your *video* memory |
| 08:13.03 | liable | Amarande: if you want to use sarge, burn the etch kernel .deb to a cd, then use dpkg to install it once you get sarge running. |
| 08:13.16 | Amarande | like, ones that will assume that the default IP is 127.0.0.1 and not 192.168.1.whatever, until a config file is manually altered? |
| 08:13.19 | DaveLib | now after the bind i do that and it does try to start epiphany |
| 08:13.20 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: However, Xorg starts hogging CPU time, hovering around 70-80% when I move FF or scroll a page within FF. FF stays at about 1.7%. |
| 08:13.38 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I know, but I'm including it because I just noticed this anomaly with Xorg going haywire on my CPU. |
| 08:13.46 | Amarande | liable: is the etch kernel deb on the netinst CD? |
| 08:13.58 | liable | Amarande: on the etch one? |
| 08:13.59 | konfuzed | Amarande: your nic requires both 127.0.0.1 and a matching LAN subnet address |
| 08:14.02 | DaveLib | before the browser would not even try to start |
| 08:14.03 | Amarande | yah, the etch one. |
| 08:14.06 | Amarande | I have etch and sarge netinst CDs. |
| 08:14.11 | liable | yes, you just need to find it |
| 08:14.24 | deadcat | Buddha|: this is your hardstatus: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/ootput_hardstatus/xwd_20060129_8847.png?width=640 works to me... |
| 08:14.25 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: oooohhhh.. I think I used to have that problem (though I had to kill X to make the system responsive again) |
| 08:14.27 | konfuzed | isnt there a dpkg reconfigure-net or something |
| 08:14.27 | Amarande | konfuzed: I'm more wondering if things like daemons that got installed before I fix the kernel |
| 08:14.33 | DaveLib | but the browser fails to complete i get error messages about missing libraries |
| 08:14.38 | Amarande | will keep trying to bind to 127.0.0.1 instead of the external interface |
| 08:14.48 | Dwonis | Amarande: though the problem was with XFree86 (a few years ago) |
| 08:14.49 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: this is good news (I think). I haven't had to kill X yet. |
| 08:15.04 | liable | Amarande: 127.0.0.1 is the loopback iface, and you do need it. |
| 08:15.21 | DaveLib | i checked and i see i have the epiphany binary in my chroot: /sid/ |
| 08:15.33 | konfuzed | Amarande: i would like to think that all (if not most) daemons more than handle this properly |
| 08:15.45 | Amarande | I'll have to keep a good look at netstat, I guess. |
| 08:15.45 | konfuzed | the other programers should be shot |
| 08:15.46 | Buddha| | deadcat - I wonder if it's something with my xterm |
| 08:15.54 | konfuzed | no offence ;^) |
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| 08:15.57 | deadcat | Buddha|: could be. |
| 08:15.59 | Amarande | At least the daemons in the base install should do so, right? |
| 08:16.12 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: It could be one of two things: either Firefox is rapidly redrawing stuff to the screen, causing Xorg's CPU usage to increase, or Xorg is doing it on its own |
| 08:16.18 | Amarande | And does the etch kernel depend on any other etch packages that aren't in sarge? |
| 08:16.18 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: okay, now this gets to be weird. I load up slashdot, move about the page, nothing odd. |
| 08:16.21 | deadcat | Buddha|: you have hardstatus on right? |
| 08:16.24 | DaveLib | so i thot mbbe the tomboy in /sid is activating its local /sid epiphany but the minimal sid debootstrap i did into /sid is missing libraries |
| 08:16.30 | liable | Amarande: no |
| 08:16.32 | konfuzed | Amarande: who made your nic |
| 08:16.41 | Amarande | konfuzed: It's a genuine Intel. |
| 08:16.46 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: but, if I check out http://www.paulgraham.com/love.html, FF and Xorg do their thing |
| 08:16.53 | konfuzed | mmmmmmmmm |
| 08:16.57 | Amarande | 82541PI, PRO/1000 GT. |
| 08:17.02 | DaveLib | so i moved the /sid epiphnay binary to epiphany1 |
| 08:17.07 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: (but keep in mind that isn't the only page that this happens to, it just happens to be one I'm testing) |
| 08:17.23 | Amarande | I'm wondering if I should have resisted the allure of gigabit-ready setups and gone with an 82559 like I had originally planned to buy :/ |
| 08:17.31 | DaveLib | and i hard linked the / epiphany binary to /sid 's ie .. |
| 08:17.37 | DaveLib | leaving justasec |
| 08:17.40 | konfuzed | should be happy but I hearn the p4 cpu came out with like 42 or 64 hardware flaw errors |
| 08:17.45 | Buddha| | deadcat - it's exactly as it was in the pastebin I sent you |
| 08:17.54 | Amarande | okay, install time. |
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| 08:18.05 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: what does "free -m" show? (post it to #flood) |
| 08:18.13 | deadcat | Buddha|: let me try the entire config file. that screenshot was only the hardstatus line |
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| 08:19.07 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: ok, you have more RAM than me... so it's not that |
| 08:19.07 | deadcat | Buddha|: works for me. TERM=xterm here by the way. |
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| 08:19.46 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: yeah... now I wonder if getting the 512 stick was a mistake :) |
| 08:19.54 | konfuzed | Amarande: ive seen several network card complaints here today, er, at least in irc, there is no reason not to go gigabit unless its noticably more expensive than 100mbit |
| 08:20.07 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: heh. not unless it's faulty. |
| 08:20.14 | Buddha| | deadcat - http://pastebin.com/528456 |
| 08:20.59 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: no, it's more the fact that I thought I could use it/needed it, when my 128M was doing me fine all these years |
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| 08:21.00 | Buddha| | deadcat - same here |
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| 08:21.20 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: If you have any trouble coming up with ways to use it, start playing with user-mode-linux or VMware :) |
| 08:21.51 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: good ideas :) |
| 08:21.57 | deadcat | Buddha|: your config works fine here. |
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| 08:22.20 | cold`n`lonely`em | anybody know where to get some madwifi debs? |
| 08:22.32 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: so do you recall what X was doing on your system and how you fixed it? |
| 08:22.38 | deadcat | cold`n`lonely`em: do an online search. and it will show up. |
| 08:22.44 | liable | cold`n`lonely`em: you can only get the source debs. |
| 08:22.52 | liable | !madwifi |
| 08:22.52 | dpkg | i guess madwifi is at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or #madwifi, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 08:23.19 | Buddha| | deadcat - I get the hardstatus line in a tty, but not in any terminal emulator |
| 08:23.19 | derek_ | is etch and testing the same thing? |
| 08:23.20 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: IIRC, the keyboard would stop working, and I could do an "Exit Session" using only the mouse, but it was a little slow. wmtop showed the CPU usage going wild. |
| 08:23.23 | rolemodel | how do i kill the process by name? |
| 08:23.30 | liable | derek_: yes |
| 08:23.33 | derek_ | killall |
| 08:23.37 | derek_ | thanks |
| 08:23.46 | liable | rolemodel: pkill |
| 08:23.49 | rolemodel | derek_ killall processname? |
| 08:23.55 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: It didn't happen often, and I never really fixed it. The problem just went away either when I upgraded my machine, or when I upgraded some packages. |
| 08:23.56 | rolemodel | liable pkill processname ? |
| 08:23.56 | derek_ | yep |
| 08:24.02 | liable | yeah |
| 08:24.06 | fooz | i should get an amiga |
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| 08:24.18 | deadcat | Buddha|: strange. is it on the window manager window border? instead of lastline? |
| 08:24.18 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: If your system is still responsive, I'm not sure that it's really the same problem. |
| 08:24.32 | phyrster | how to prevent certain kernel modules from loading at the boot process? |
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| 08:24.42 | phyrster | I don't have hotplug, I use udev |
| 08:24.43 | bbls | hello |
| 08:24.46 | liable | !blackilist |
| 08:24.48 | fooz | phyrster, udev is hotplug |
| 08:24.48 | rolemodel | man, no processes killed |
| 08:24.50 | liable | !blacklist |
| 08:24.50 | dpkg | from memory, blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 08:24.58 | Dwonis | fooz: Why would you get an Amiga now if you don't have one already? |
| 08:25.02 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: it only gets sluggish overall with firefox; nothing else that I've noticed, and not unresponsive |
| 08:25.04 | bbls | anyone can tell me how can i install manually a package from a .deb file? |
| 08:25.06 | fooz | they look like such cool computers |
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| 08:25.15 | liable | bbls: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 08:25.20 | fooz | i'm sad to have missed out on those, but i still want to play with one |
| 08:25.23 | derek_ | so I souldent have testing in my sources.list if I am running sarge? |
| 08:25.31 | deadcat | Buddha|: very strange.. i am pretty sure #screen can help |
| 08:25.39 | rolemodel | liable, how do i view all processes? |
| 08:25.40 | liable | derek_: no, thats very bad. |
| 08:25.43 | Newck | how often do malicious apt sources show up these days? |
| 08:25.46 | liable | rolemodel: ps aux |
| 08:25.48 | derek_ | thanks |
| 08:25.57 | deadcat | Newck: once a month |
| 08:25.59 | rolemodel | thanks liable |
| 08:26.03 | derek_ | rolemodel: run top |
| 08:26.03 | Newck | seriously? |
| 08:26.04 | phyrster | liable: how do you do this !blacklist thing? do you need special op rights? |
| 08:26.16 | Dwonis | fooz: Don't worry, Amiga is going to be revived Real Soon Now. Just ask the latest company that owns it... ;-P |
| 08:26.22 | bbls | liable, thx |
| 08:26.31 | konfuzed | Dwonis: whos that |
| 08:26.42 | liable | phyrster: no, dpkg is the channel bot and ! is its trigger. you can also /msg it questions. |
| 08:26.43 | konfuzed | i just thought to day - I'd like to get another amiga |
| 08:26.45 | Dwonis | konfuzed: Amiga International, I think, unless they sold it again |
| 08:26.55 | Dwonis | konfuzed: you could check eBat |
| 08:26.57 | Dwonis | eBay |
| 08:27.12 | Kerosene | can someone tell me how fast a machine needs to be to act as as a home gateway without causing latency issues? |
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| 08:27.35 | Kerosene | would a 200mhz machine w/ 64megs of ram be enough? |
| 08:27.39 | susperia | kerneld_mine is a pentium 133mhz with 32 MB ram |
| 08:27.42 | konfuzed | yeah I had an amiga 2000 until a moron friend of mine didnt tell me that he hadnt pad rent for a fe months and then he was locked out with my things inside |
| 08:27.43 | sep | fooz, they are cool computers. but i guess it's the os that made them outstanding. if you just want to try you can play around with winuae. |
| 08:27.56 | susperia | kerneld_ sorry, meaning Kerosene |
| 08:27.59 | liable | Kerosene: should be fine |
| 08:28.15 | Kerosene | getting like 300 - 600 ping times on www.yahoo.com |
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| 08:28.29 | Dwonis | sep: or apt-get install uae, but you'll need to get the Kickstart ROM and workbench disk images. You can get them from http://www.cloanto.com/ |
| 08:28.33 | fooz | Dwonis, I really want to play more with free stuff (http://www.aros.org/) |
| 08:28.40 | susperia | Kerosene try different sites.... ping saix.net and microsoft.com and compare them :P |
| 08:29.04 | phyrster | liable: I mean how did you answer my question with !blacklist? |
| 08:29.17 | konfuzed | Amiga is unique hardware and unique software and was given honourable mention in this months Video Editing alternatives article |
| 08:29.24 | liable | phyrster: did you see what dpkg said? |
| 08:29.53 | konfuzed | kewl |
| 08:29.58 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: thanks again for your help. I'll just pretend that using mozilla is a solution and go on with my life :) |
| 08:30.33 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Heh. Yeah, I'm pretty much stumped. I assume you've checked the BTS? |
| 08:30.44 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: because I know I haven't :) |
| 08:30.53 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: I'll check it tomorrow |
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| 08:31.05 | Buddha| | deadcat - yes, it shows up on the window manager window border |
| 08:31.11 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: unfortunately I've got to get some sleep before my SO kills me :) |
| 08:31.16 | Buddha| | sorry I took so long. I was brushing my teeth. |
| 08:31.19 | sett | has anyone got wine 0.9.6 and photoshop working? any version |
| 08:31.40 | Dwonis | myst-dragon: Heh. Good night and good luck! |
| 08:31.41 | konfuzed | check this http://www.amigaforever.com/ |
| 08:31.50 | myst-dragon | Dwonis: thanks, and a good one to you too. |
| 08:32.05 | derek_ | a amiga is what? |
| 08:32.30 | phyrster | liable: yes. how did you do that? |
| 08:32.45 | deadcat | Buddha|: make sure you have "hardstatus on" |
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| 08:32.57 | cold`n`lonely`em | my firefox keeps saying disc is full |
| 08:33.07 | cold`n`lonely`em | knoppix live disc too |
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| 08:33.10 | Dwonis | derek_: The amiga is a personal computer that was invented in 1985 and was pretty much the leader in multimedia technology for the next decade. |
| 08:33.18 | konfuzed | aros it is because the mascot feline won me over ;^) |
| 08:33.22 | deadcat | Buddha|: oh.. hardstatus alwayslastline "thestuffhere" <-- |
| 08:33.23 | liable | phyrster: as i said, ! is the bots trigger, so if it has a factoid such as blacklist, you do !blacklist, or /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:33.34 | derek_ | cool |
| 08:33.36 | Dwonis | derek_: It was very easy to program for, and hacking the hardware was equally easy |
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| 08:33.56 | konfuzed | i miss my amiga |
| 08:34.02 | derek_ | they are still being produced? |
| 08:34.14 | konfuzed | check this http://www.amigaforever.com/ |
| 08:34.17 | cold`n`lonely`em | retro versions maybe |
| 08:34.24 | cold`n`lonely`em | heard of a handheld c64 |
| 08:35.03 | Dwonis | derek_: Well, the "Amiga" trademark and technology has been sold to a series of companies, many of which went bankrupt :). There's still a company selling "Amiga" stuff, although it's mostly a failed attempt at replacing Java, from what I understand. |
| 08:35.10 | liable | phyrster: there are a couple of other bots here too, but dpkg is the one thats here most often |
| 08:35.48 | liable | is it the same as the commodore-64? |
| 08:35.53 | Buddha| | deadcat - ah! that did it. thanks! |
| 08:35.58 | Buddha| | and now I'm off to bed |
| 08:35.59 | deadcat | cool |
| 08:36.01 | Dwonis | Amiga will never really go anywhere, because their business relies on proprietary hardware and/or operating systems, and that market doesn't really have any more room in it. |
| 08:36.07 | deadcat | alwayslastline |
| 08:36.11 | phyrster | liable: how do I know there are other bots? what are their names? |
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| 08:36.33 | liable | phyrster: /j #debian-bots and play with them :) |
| 08:36.43 | Dwonis | liable: The C64 was several orders of magnitude more primitive than the Amiga :) |
| 08:36.46 | Buddha| | Dwonis - there's a free version for x86. Check out AROS |
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| 08:37.34 | konfuzed | i must install Amiga Emulater on my debian some day in my spare time |
| 08:37.41 | liable | Dwonis: ah, the 64 was my first, then i gave up on computers for 20 years :) |
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| 08:37.55 | konfuzed | its hard to emulate the unique hardware setup when it comes to video production though |
| 08:38.09 | Dwonis | Buddha|, I'm aware of AROS, but what's the point of it? |
| 08:38.14 | konfuzed | well perhaps in an AMD Dual-Core it would be more realistic |
| 08:38.44 | liable | phyrster: they all have different triggers, try @ ~ ! |
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| 08:39.48 | phyrster | liable: how do I know certain topics are available? |
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| 08:39.59 | susperia | which backup/mirror solution would you guys recommend? (in this case for 200 users email spools) |
| 08:40.10 | konfuzed | of course everyone knows that the Amiga has an multi processor achitecture or is that distributed processing architecture |
| 08:40.10 | susperia | rdiff-backup is great, but i don't need all its offerings |
| 08:40.12 | konfuzed | hm |
| 08:40.16 | phyrster | liable: I just tried /msg dpkg help, not such topic as blacklist |
| 08:40.35 | cold`n`lonely`em | !kde |
| 08:40.35 | dpkg | i guess kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 08:40.47 | konfuzed | !Amiga |
| 08:40.49 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 08:40.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, amiga is a series of excellent computers manufactured by Commodore from 1985 until sometime in the early 1990s when they went belly up thanks to the marketing department, now trying to make their Nth comeback into the computing market, or the machines doing fast 3d graphics when windows couldnt even BEEP very well |
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| 08:41.46 | konfuzed | hey if I get another amiga 2000 can I install debian on it?? |
| 08:42.00 | liable | phyrster: help doesnt give you topics/factoids, its actually pretty useless, if you want to search for a factoid by keyword, do /msg dpkg listkeys keyword |
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| 08:43.26 | Dwonis | konfuzed: My understanding is that Linux will run on any Amiga whose CPU has an MMU. |
| 08:43.31 | cold`n`lonely`em | my programs keeps saying disc is full but i know its not |
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| 08:44.09 | Dwonis | konfuzed: So it won't run on my A500, because it just has a plain M68000 processor, but I think if you have a 68020 or later (and enough RAM), it'll work |
| 08:45.03 | cold`n`lonely`em | i got an old dos based samsung, can it run linux? |
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| 08:46.27 | konfuzed | Dwonis: kewl ill try for a 68040 |
| 08:46.46 | konfuzed | hmm how far did 680xx make it anyway |
| 08:46.55 | konfuzed | i guess that is what apple used too right |
| 08:48.31 | Dwonis | It gues up to 68060, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68k |
| 08:48.36 | konfuzed | cold`n`lonely`em: if it is an intel processor than most likely it will run linux of some form |
| 08:48.37 | Dwonis | s/gues/goes |
| 08:49.20 | cold`n`lonely`em | idk wut it is, its like 1980s |
| 08:49.30 | Dwonis | konfuzed: not quite. The same MMU requirement applies. 80x86 below 386 doesn't work, and I don't think Intel 8051 works either |
| 08:49.40 | liable | !wut |
| 08:49.40 | dpkg | from memory, wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 08:49.41 | cold`n`lonely`em | idk if it has isa slots |
| 08:50.08 | konfuzed | Since these desktops are now more than a decade old, the original manufacturers either are out of business, or no longer provide an operating system for the hardware; however, the Debian, NetBSD and OpenBSD operating systems are still supported for m68k processors. |
| 08:50.32 | konfuzed | as if debian is the only linux with m68k support |
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| 08:52.09 | Dwonis | Interesting, Motorola (Freescale) ColdFire processors are part of the m68k family |
| 08:52.19 | konfuzed | cold`n`lonely`em: if you can turn the power on with a monitor plugged in and on , the first screen you see should mention the processor version and speed |
| 08:52.25 | Dwonis | although apparently they're not completely binary-compatible |
| 08:52.31 | konfuzed | Dwonis: are those for like laptops |
| 08:52.37 | konfuzed | maybe ibooks |
| 08:52.45 | konfuzed | i could run debian on ibooks |
| 08:52.50 | konfuzed | or isthat befor eibooks |
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| 08:53.02 | Dwonis | konfuzed: I don't think so. A lot of these processors are used for embedded systems. |
| 08:53.08 | konfuzed | hhmmmmm |
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| 08:53.28 | Dwonis | I think iBooks are PPC-based, and I'm pretty sure you can run Linux on them. |
| 08:53.41 | liable | there was talks about m68k recently in debian-devel-announce (i think it was that list) They just got dodnated some coldfire boards to help keep the arch going.. |
| 08:53.51 | konfuzed | yeah I think PowerPC is well covered |
| 08:54.03 | usn | good morning |
| 08:54.04 | konfuzed | oh kewl |
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| 08:54.18 | sinizzl | hello |
| 08:54.43 | sinizzl | i just installed debian for the first time and i wonder why i don't have any sound. modules are properly loaded, permissions should be okay; sound is playing but obviously nothing comes out of ma soudncard.... |
| 08:54.47 | cold`n`lonely`em | ya, they got ppc live cd |
| 08:54.54 | konfuzed | well there ya go , more and more I regret not switching to debian years ago |
| 08:54.58 | konfuzed | years and years ago |
| 08:55.04 | liable | sinizzl: what kernel did you install? |
| 08:55.09 | cold`n`lonely`em | sinizzl, u set volume in settings? |
| 08:55.12 | sinizzl | liable 2.6-686 |
| 08:55.19 | sinizzl | yes, the mixer settings are okay as well |
| 08:55.21 | liable | sinizzl: have you run alsamixer? |
| 08:55.31 | sinizzl | i don't have any alsa support at all i think |
| 08:55.53 | liable | alienbrain: install alsa-base, alsa-utils, run alsaconf, then alsamixer |
| 08:56.09 | phyrster | liable: how do I get a complete list of all dpkg help topics? |
| 08:56.14 | sinizzl | shouldn't it also work with oss ? |
| 08:56.22 | liable | !your factoids |
| 08:56.22 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 08:56.48 | liable | phyrster: ^^ have fun, theres like thousands and thousands |
| 08:56.50 | sinizzl | when i run alsamixer it tells me no such device ;-( |
| 08:57.28 | liable | sinizzl: ^^ see what i said to alienbrain |
| 08:57.34 | susperia | is there a way to backup and entire debian installation, so that i could change drives without losing a byte of data ? |
| 08:57.34 | liable | alienbrain: sorry |
| 08:57.40 | cold`n`lonely`em | sinizzle, u try a reboot? |
| 08:57.44 | sinizzl | liable that's what i just did |
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| 08:58.01 | sinizzl | cold`n`lonely`em this ain't windows, ain't it ? |
| 08:58.18 | cold`n`lonely`em | yes but it auto detects on load |
| 08:58.19 | liable | sinizzl: alsaconf failed? |
| 08:58.24 | sinizzl | funny thing is all audio applications don't complain at all |
| 08:58.36 | sinizzl | liable no, but i still cannot run alsamixer; it still tells me there was nosuch device... |
| 08:59.03 | liable | sinizzl: so run alsaconf, you *didnt* do what i said to alienbrain |
| 08:59.06 | phyrster | liable: thank you |
| 08:59.07 | sinizzl | the card works fine under gentoo |
| 08:59.16 | sinizzl | liable yes i did. i apt-get installed these packages |
| 08:59.25 | sinizzl | if you didn't mean that, then i haven't seen these lines |
| 08:59.43 | liable | sinizzl: make sure the modules are loaded ans snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:59.58 | liable | sinizzl: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 09:00.20 | sinizzl | liable : this is weird. |
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| 09:00.28 | sinizzl | i did the _same_ thing three times in a row; eg. run alsaconf |
| 09:00.30 | Dwonis | susperia: man tar |
| 09:00.36 | sinizzl | after the third time (it always did the same stuff) it worked |
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| 09:00.54 | liable | heh, oh well, as long as it works. |
| 09:01.05 | sinizzl | yes |
| 09:01.11 | Dwonis | susperia: you probably at least want the -p -s -P and -S options |
| 09:01.13 | sinizzl | sometimes it just needs a little bit caring love... |
| 09:01.23 | susperia | Dwonis oh great, thanks |
| 09:01.40 | sinizzl | can anyone tell me why when starting a desktop via xdm i can't launch several applications, i.e. firefox etc, due to a permission error? |
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| 09:01.47 | tziku | hello, i have this problem when i'm trying to install apache: http://86.104.64.32/apache.txt |
| 09:02.46 | Dwonis | susperia: "cp -a" is also reasonably good, if you just want to copy files from one disk to another without putting them into an archive format. |
| 09:03.36 | dr1v3r | anyone know how to stop and start vsftpd? |
| 09:03.48 | sinizzl | dr1v3r /etc/init.d/vsftpd start/stop ? |
| 09:03.49 | adii | dr1v3r, as root "vsftpd &" |
| 09:03.49 | debby_th | hi! |
| 09:03.49 | dr1v3r | i have looked on the net for the commands but i keep getting errors :( |
| 09:03.51 | Dwonis | susperia: The main things you have to watch out for are files with irregular filenames, sparse files, and hard links |
| 09:04.09 | dr1v3r | sinizzl i get errors when i try that :( |
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| 09:04.21 | Amarande | Ahh, things are getting better. |
| 09:04.24 | Amarande | Only one BIG problem, though. |
| 09:04.28 | sinizzl | that's weird... never used vsftpd anyways... always went with proftpd... |
| 09:04.29 | Dwonis | susperia: and also the obvious things, like copying owner/group/permissions, timestamps, symbolic links, etc |
| 09:04.33 | Amarande | I don't know the proper things to put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:04.44 | susperia | Dwonis yes, its basically a nervous task that lies ahead. |
| 09:04.51 | Amarande | because when the base system was set up, there was not yet access to the Internet, so the setup refused to let me put a http mirror in. |
| 09:05.17 | Amarande | How should /etc/apt/sources.list read? |
| 09:05.23 | Dwonis | susperia: The easiest thing to do is to make a backup, then do a test restore on a spare hard drive to make sure you didn't miss anything |
| 09:05.31 | the_moron | I would like to convert a avi video movie to mpeg. What app i have need ? |
| 09:05.43 | liable | tziku: did you have apache installed before and manually delete shit or something? |
| 09:05.54 | tziku | yes :(( |
| 09:06.07 | liable | !confmiss |
| 09:06.07 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:06.09 | tziku | it was....but after i delet i can't install... :( |
| 09:06.14 | Amarande | can someone paste me the proper contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:06.25 | Dwonis | susperia: Also, databases and stuff like that should be shut down before you start |
| 09:06.38 | dr1v3r | guys how many /sbin/getty 38400 tty should there be running? as i have about 6 or so lol |
| 09:06.57 | sinizzl | dr1v3r isn't that a matter of personal preference ? |
| 09:06.59 | liable | tziku: always use the package management system, dont delete shit by hand.. |
| 09:07.07 | Dwonis | susperia: AND, if you have a qmail queue, you'll need queue-fix, because qmail names its spool files based on inode numbers, which aren't preserved by tar |
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| 09:07.20 | liable | tziku: it knows! its watching you! :P |
| 09:07.25 | Dwonis | susperia: If you want to preserve *those*, you might want to look at dump and restore |
| 09:07.27 | sinizzl | i myself have eight. not because ineed eight, but it puts the X server to f9 which is in my opinion more comfortable than f7 |
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| 09:07.47 | dr1v3r | ohh is it? i thought it mate have been something to do with the system, sort of needed processes |
| 09:08.18 | sinizzl | i don't know about that |
| 09:08.19 | dr1v3r | so it would not hurt anything if i killed some of them? its just i have about 20 things when i do ps x :( |
| 09:08.28 | EdLin | dr1v3r: each one is a seperate console screen, like you get from pressing alt+function-key |
| 09:08.30 | Amarande | Ahh, thank you, dpkg. |
| 09:08.32 | sinizzl | but i think since i even had on my 386 6 terminals it doesn't matter nowadays how many you got |
| 09:08.36 | Dwonis | susperia: obviously the most reliable thing is to boot from a CD and do something like gzip -9c < /dev/hda > /some_file_thats_not_on_hda |
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| 09:08.44 | liable | dr1v3r: dont kill them, they are for your VT's |
| 09:08.45 | Dwonis | susperia: but that's also the least flexible |
| 09:08.52 | konfuzed | ok so mail servers have always been a pain in the ass - what does Debian put in place for mail server with spam and virus filter that is mangeable for say noob admins who just got outa Solaris school ;^) |
| 09:08.56 | sinizzl | you probably get 0.0001 frames per seconds more in fps games |
| 09:09.03 | dr1v3r | EdLin i only access via SSH so i wont need any ofthem will i? |
| 09:09.11 | dr1v3r | liable VTs? |
| 09:09.21 | tziku | I still have problems liable : http://86.104.64.32/apache.txt |
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| 09:09.29 | tziku | sorry: http://86.104.64.32/apache1.txt |
| 09:09.44 | konfuzed | qmail is hardcore but there are many reasons why there are several sites on the subject of Life with QMail |
| 09:09.47 | SimonRaven | !vt |
| 09:09.47 | dpkg | [vt] video terminal |
| 09:09.51 | Amarande | also, why is it that every time I try to disable DHCP and set a static LAN IP, I get 'network is unreachable' when trying to get out beyond the router? |
| 09:09.56 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 09:10.02 | EdLin | dr1v3r: you can always pipe ps's output through "grep -v getty" :-) |
| 09:10.06 | SimonRaven | !factinfo vt |
| 09:10.06 | dpkg | vt -- created by Peidran <peidran@serv9.ischool.washington.edu> at Wed Jan 10 06:29:18 2001 (1845 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by dabreegster at Mon Apr 18 14:52:02 2005. |
| 09:10.11 | dr1v3r | i keep forgetting about that SimonRaven thanks :D |
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| 09:10.30 | susperia | Dwonis cool. thanks for the input, Im going to look into each option. Maybe i can have my isp upgrade my server hardware without touching the hdd |
| 09:10.45 | liable | tziku: does the dir /usr/share/apache/ exist?? |
| 09:10.59 | tziku | liable: -bash: cd: /usr/share/apache/: No such file or directory |
| 09:11.02 | SimonRaven | !no vt is <reply>when someone says VTs to you, they usually mean Virtual Terminals, like console or xterm |
| 09:11.03 | dpkg | SimonRaven: okay |
| 09:11.06 | Dwonis | susperia: that would be easiest, but then be careful about static discharge :) Good luck! |
| 09:11.14 | konfuzed | so far I like MailGuard (i think thats what its called) several packages combined over 3 servers of course. |
| 09:11.26 | liable | tziku: mkdir /usr/share/apache try again |
| 09:11.43 | Dwonis | tziku: What are you looking for in /usr/share/apache? |
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| 09:12.14 | tziku | liable same error like in apache1.txt |
| 09:12.35 | konfuzed | i havent deployed it yet but when someone has a real budget for seriously secure mail that's what id put in place |
| 09:12.35 | Dwonis | tziku: If you have apache2, the directory is /usr/share/apache2 |
| 09:12.39 | liable | tziku: the dir is there? |
| 09:12.42 | konfuzed | i think it uses qmail |
| 09:12.53 | tziku | liable yes...wait to try with apache2 |
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| 09:13.17 | liable | tziku: that wont help.. its after /apache not apache2.. |
| 09:13.20 | tziku | no...dos't work too |
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| 09:13.36 | SimonRaven | !vt =~ s/or xterm// |
| 09:13.36 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
| 09:13.53 | liable | tziku: ok, touch /usr/share/apache/postinst.common |
| 09:14.12 | dr1v3r | thanks guys :D |
| 09:14.26 | Dwonis | I prefer qmail, but I had to switch away from it because qmail-smtpd doesn't support rejecting mail with bad recipients, so my mailserver would get tied up in aol & yahoo's tarpits delivering bounce messages |
| 09:14.33 | tziku | no...dos't work...same problem liable |
| 09:14.45 | Dwonis | I switched to postfix, but I'm thinking that was a mistake |
| 09:15.08 | Dwonis | Postfix has a whole bunch of global settings, and I was used to having different settings for different virtual domains |
| 09:15.11 | liable | tziku: paste ls /usr/share/ and the error |
| 09:15.23 | Dwonis | And the stupid pipe(8) transport doesn't let you run things as root, so I had to hack around that |
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| 09:15.46 | Dwonis | One of these days I think I'm going to write my own free qmail-like MTA |
| 09:16.24 | Dwonis | But that probably won't happen until after I write a DNS server that doesn't suck... argh |
| 09:16.38 | tziku | no error liable for: ls /usr/share/ ...did u want to say ls /usr/share/apache ? |
| 09:16.56 | liable | tziku: paste both outputs |
| 09:17.30 | liable | tziku: and the install error. |
| 09:17.36 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: one at a time :) |
| 09:17.52 | amee2k | how can i use apt-cache to search for multiple words? |
| 09:17.57 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: no kidding... I hate software :( |
| 09:18.00 | konfuzed | https://google.com |
| 09:18.06 | SimonRaven | you use multiple words |
| 09:18.20 | tziku | liable: http://86.104.64.32/paste1.txt |
| 09:18.24 | SimonRaven | there's nothing magical about it ... |
| 09:18.41 | amee2k | :) |
| 09:19.08 | SimonRaven | @tiw |
| 09:19.13 | SimonRaven | !tiw |
| 09:19.13 | dpkg | Stop thinking a linux-based OS is windows, 'cause it isn't. rebooting doesn't fix things, you don't need to reboot to install or remove modules, or even upgrade the software (except booting to a newer/different kernel). |
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| 09:19.37 | tziku | liable: http://86.104.64.32/installerr.txt |
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| 09:19.44 | Dwonis | amee2k, if you want to do an "or" search, you can do stuff like: apt-cache search 'tcpdump|frozen' |
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| 09:20.04 | SimonRaven | it accepts regexen ;) |
| 09:20.17 | konfuzed | pipe is explicit 'OR' then - im not a programer |
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| 09:20.41 | liable | tziku: shit, what exactly did you do to get this like this? |
| 09:21.09 | amee2k | but wouldn't you need to escape the pipe go get it past bash? |
| 09:21.10 | konfuzed | Dwonis: postfix is hard core too - i even prefer it for admin/config over qmail |
| 09:21.20 | Dwonis | liable: Perhaps this is apache2, not apache? |
| 09:21.34 | liable | Dwonis: read the errors. |
| 09:21.51 | konfuzed | qmail is better for spammers though |
| 09:21.57 | tziku | liable: i was having trouble at apache installing and i delet all "apache" content. |
| 09:22.01 | Dwonis | liable: oh. odd. |
| 09:22.05 | liable | Dwonis: it makes no difference what it is, its missing files/directories, and doesnt like it.. |
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| 09:22.39 | konfuzed | or every end user can manage their own mail handling (securely mind you), which has its pros and cons |
| 09:22.43 | Dwonis | liable: One thing I notice is that installerr.txt doesn't show any "Unpacking" line |
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| 09:22.51 | the_moron | I would like to convert a avi movie to mpeg. What application i need to install and look for ? thx |
| 09:22.56 | SimonRaven | i like my exim |
| 09:23.45 | liable | tziku: instead of apache, try apache-common |
| 09:23.55 | Dwonis | SimonRaven: How is exim4, security-wise? For me, any more than 1 or 2 vulnerabilities ever is too many. |
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| 09:24.22 | liable | the_moron: transcode? give google a go, sure you'll find something. |
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| 09:24.53 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: there was one early on that i know of, none recently |
| 09:24.59 | dli | The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:25.02 | tziku | is working liable :))) thx |
| 09:25.17 | EdLin | dli: /topic |
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| 09:25.29 | the_moron | liable: i have search in the 'Debian Package Search' about it, without a good result, i look for transcode. thx |
| 09:25.39 | liable | tziku: dont delete shit like that again. use apt, like god intended.. |
| 09:26.02 | tziku | ok :))) my mystake really sorry for the stress |
| 09:26.07 | liable | tziku: transcode is in marillat repo iirc |
| 09:26.14 | dli | EdLin, useless, 2006 key doesn't fix this |
| 09:26.21 | Dwonis | tziku: It's only stress for you. For us, it's entertainment. ;) |
| 09:26.38 | EdLin | dli: it should |
| 09:27.02 | dli | EdLin, I did 2006 key long ago, redoing it doesn't help |
| 09:27.28 | Dwonis | dli: You didn't delete the 2005 key, did you? |
| 09:27.49 | dli | Dwonis, 2006 key had been working for long |
| 09:28.09 | liable | dli: maybe the packages are bad? try anaother mirror. |
| 09:28.18 | Dwonis | Maybe somebody's attacking you ;) |
| 09:28.37 | susperia | mmmm where does mysql keeps its actual db's on debian ? i dont have a /var/data |
| 09:28.37 | Dwonis | Of course, the way we distribute keys right now, you're only slightly more secure :) |
| 09:28.44 | dli | liable, at least they should change that stupid message, You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 09:28.55 | jshriver_ | I have a fresh install of Debian sarge :) woohoo |
| 09:29.03 | jshriver_ | however some packages aren't showing up... |
| 09:29.03 | liable | dli: dont tell me :) |
| 09:29.09 | jshriver_ | gkrelm for example |
| 09:29.24 | EdLin | dli: you did't quite answer Dwonis' question - did you delete your 2005 key? |
| 09:29.51 | EdLin | didn't* |
| 09:29.52 | dli | EdLin, I didn't have any 2005 key :( I answered, since 2006 key had been working for long |
| 09:30.21 | liable | !info gkrelm sarge |
| 09:30.28 | jshriver_ | !info gkrelm sarge |
| 09:30.36 | Dwonis | jshriver_: Is gkrelm even a package? "apt-cache search gkrelm" returns nothing for me |
| 09:30.37 | jshriver_ | erm |
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| 09:30.55 | jshriver_ | hrm forget the name.. gtkrelm? gtkrealm? hrm... need to check other box |
| 09:30.57 | SimonRaven | Dwonis: 2 l's |
| 09:30.59 | Dwonis | gkrellm |
| 09:31.00 | jshriver_ | it's the monitor app |
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| 09:31.18 | liable | jshriver_: get it right! :) |
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| 09:31.25 | Dwonis | jshriver_: apt-get update? |
| 09:31.27 | jshriver_ | ok there we go.. hrm tried even searching with gtk.. |
| 09:31.33 | jshriver_ | Dwonis, fresh install |
| 09:31.33 | jshriver_ | brb |
| 09:31.36 | jshriver_ | it's there :) |
| 09:32.20 | jshriver_ | man it takes a while to compile the kernel even on this new 1.7ghz box |
| 09:33.08 | Dwonis | jshriver_: Yeah, I think part of it is that the kernel is getting a lot bigger, and that newer versions of GCC do a lot more complicated optimizations. |
| 09:33.51 | jshriver_ | aye.. makes sense.. plus this is a fresh build so lots of modules I have to build from scratch.. plus doing 2.6.15.1 |
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| 09:34.29 | mrverbose | if i am only using kernel 2.6 i can remove modutils, right? |
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| 09:34.54 | mrverbose | for module-init-tools should be the replacement i suppose |
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| 09:35.58 | Dwonis | mrverbose: I think you can. I'm doing it now, so hopefully it won't break anything :) |
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| 09:36.47 | mrverbose | Dwonis: ok, just dont hold me responsible for your system-break-down :) |
| 09:37.26 | Dwonis | uh oh... Does anyone know if the libc6 was important? |
| 09:37.37 | Dwonis | just kidding :-P |
| 09:37.37 | Coweater | a bit |
| 09:37.37 | EdLin | Dwonis: very |
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| 09:38.13 | icebit | hi all |
| 09:38.31 | eleftherios | what's the name of the utility that let's you choose your sound configuration? it is linux-sound-config something...can someone tell me? |
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| 09:40.28 | threat | apt-get install saaz_hops |
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| 09:40.56 | webwolf_27 | hey I have an acpi question. My battery design capacity is 1800mAh, last full capacity is 1223 mAh, how do Iget last full back to capacity? |
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| 09:41.58 | liable | webwolf_27: you dont, that is telling you that it is dying. |
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| 09:42.39 | webwolf_27 | liable, it's only about 6 months old |
| 09:42.54 | liable | webwolf_27: yeah, sucks doesnt it. |
| 09:43.20 | webwolf_27 | liable, are battery's really that bad? |
| 09:43.21 | liable | webwolf_27: get a new one under warranty |
| 09:43.33 | liable | webwolf_27: pot luck really |
| 09:44.00 | webwolf_27 | liable, the damn things cost 150¤ |
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| 09:44.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:44.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:44.42 | the_moron | liable: when i try this '-i hackers\ divx\ dvd\ rip_2_.avi -o test.mpeg --avi_limit 65' he write it to '/dev/null' so i have not my converted movie :-( |
| 09:44.45 | liable | webwolf_27: i know, i got a new one 2 months agao, started at 4:20 now its down to about 3:20 |
| 09:45.08 | susperia | guys i have one more stupid question. does debian keep a list of packages that is installed/not-installed... so that if i need to recover the server, i can just use that list to install the exact set of packages ? |
| 09:45.35 | webwolf_27 | liable, might it help if I completely unload, and rechare a few times? |
| 09:45.36 | liable | the_moron: i dont know the intricacies of transcode. sorry. |
| 09:45.49 | liable | webwolf_27: google laptop battery care. |
| 09:46.02 | the_moron | liable: hhmm, it's because you would not help man |
| 09:46.12 | webwolf_27 | liable, will do, thanks |
| 09:46.19 | madradrone | susperia: dpkg -l '*' | grep '^i' |
| 09:47.53 | susperia | madradrone thanks man |
| 09:47.55 | liable | susperia: dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt |
| 09:48.07 | liable | !get selections |
| 09:48.13 | liable | !set selections |
| 09:48.19 | liable | bah |
| 09:48.23 | susperia | heh |
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| 09:53.43 | webwolf_27 | liable, Ok I shouldn't have it in the notebook when I use it at home |
| 09:56.35 | tziku | when i'm joining to my apache server i see only /var/www files like index.html etc. Photo dosn't apear and photos are located in /var/www/imeges . What i need to se to have acces to subdir ? |
| 09:56.58 | liable | webwolf_27: yeah, i have heard of storing it in the refridgerator at 40% charge, but fuck it, i would rather but a new one evry year than do that kind of shit. |
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| 09:59.17 | bbls | hello |
| 09:59.25 | bbls | i've tried to install a .deb manually |
| 09:59.32 | bbls | but i think i've screwed up something :) |
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| 10:00.04 | liable | bbls: apt-get -f install |
| 10:00.13 | ehaase | packages are updated in between releases of distros right? |
| 10:00.32 | lunitik | ehaase: not in stable, no |
| 10:00.38 | liable | ehaase: sarge only gets security updates |
| 10:00.54 | bbls | http://rafb.net/paste/results/R3b0GO73.html |
| 10:01.03 | bbls | there is what i get |
| 10:01.20 | ehaase | so packages are only introduced into the 'stable' status with releases of Debian? |
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| 10:02.02 | liable | bbls: then you should remove it, and get one that is compatible. |
| 10:02.10 | bbls | liable, how? |
| 10:02.12 | liable | ehaase: yep |
| 10:02.24 | liable | bbls: dpkg -P foo |
| 10:02.28 | ehaase | and Debian introduces new releases how often? |
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| 10:02.37 | liable | wir |
| 10:02.37 | bbls | several years :) |
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| 10:03.22 | Vince35 | hi all (: |
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| 10:04.24 | kelmo_lap | hi. has anyone thought about using a wpa_cli action script in conjunction with wpa_supplicant (or the debian init.d daemon even) ? |
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| 10:05.50 | ehaase | Debian averages like one release a year? |
| 10:05.53 | cuco | hi, i am trying to write a deb package which needs to write to some mysql-db. now, the writing fails becuase i need to know the root password. I have tried using the extra file (/etc/mysql/debian.cnf) but I still cannot connect to the DB. can anyone give me some hints...? |
| 10:06.12 | hcy | dondelelcaro: hi, you online? up to helping me a bit more with the tetex stuff? i made *some* progress... |
| 10:06.14 | liable | kelmo_lap: for running different ifup command sby chance? |
| 10:06.18 | dondelelcaro | hcy: ? |
| 10:06.34 | hcy | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 10:06.34 | dondelelcaro | hcy: actually, I'm about ready to go away for the evening; I'll be around tomorrow. |
| 10:06.49 | kelmo_lap | liable, there is a ticket about that, i'm simply interested if someone has implemented it themselves |
| 10:06.50 | hcy | dondelelcaro: oh ok i'll check for you tomorrow then. thanks. |
| 10:06.52 | rolemodel | anyone know where httpd command for apache2 is stored in debian? |
| 10:07.01 | kelmo_lap | liable, but yes, exactly that |
| 10:07.17 | Newck | anyone know how to change TV channels in vlc? |
| 10:07.25 | Newck | trying to stream tv with cheap bt848... |
| 10:07.39 | hcy | dondelelcaro: i figured out what those strange control characters were, after they seemed to appear in the file I got from you too. by default i have grep set up to highlight the words it finds lol |
| 10:07.41 | liable | kelmo_lap: we were talking about it today actually :) TiBBle (or something similar) was thinking of trying to have a go at it. |
| 10:08.23 | hcy | dondelelcaro: so those characters were never in the file. but it still kept finding that '', who knows why... only way I solved that problem was by making sure no more than one tab separated the columns, which made the table quite ugly but that worked. |
| 10:08.52 | kelmo_lap | liable, well, i have toyed about with it, by grabbing the best bits from the gentoo script, and looking at the patch attached to the debian ticket |
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| 10:09.26 | liable | kelmo_lap: oh, gentoo does it? |
| 10:09.30 | kelmo_lap | i my need to resurrect the old thread on the hostap lists |
| 10:09.46 | hcy | dondelelcaro: anyway take care i'll look for you tomorrow |
| 10:09.57 | dr1v3r | guys how do i find ut what version of proftpd i have installed? |
| 10:10.01 | kelmo_lap | liable, they have a wpa_cli.action script, (i don't use gentoo myself) so my guess it does something similar ; ) |
| 10:10.36 | liable | kelmo_lap: dont have the ticket url handy? |
| 10:12.38 | kelmo_lap | liable, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=287223 |
| 10:12.43 | liable | ta |
| 10:12.47 | kelmo_lap | liable, http://gonzui.gentoo.gr.jp/gonzui.cgi/markup/portage/net-wireless/wpa_supplicant/files/wpa_supplicant-0.5.0-wpa_cli.action |
| 10:13.26 | kelmo_lap | liable, not much can be taken from the gentoo script, just the script layout can be considered from it |
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| 10:14.37 | kelmo_lap | liable, btw, i was unable to find any other distro implementation of a wpa_clia action script |
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| 10:16.29 | liable | kelmo_lap: looks like a good idea. quite funny, we were talking about this only a few hours ago. :) |
| 10:16.54 | kelmo_lap | i wish i was here for that conversation |
| 10:17.05 | kresten | Hi there! I'm about to do my first Debian install. Do any of you know how to install xfce? Is it possible directly after an installation to just "apt-get" it? |
| 10:17.17 | bbls | yes |
| 10:17.25 | bbls | apt-get install xfce probably :) |
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| 10:17.46 | Vince35 | kresten, mmm may be , check the site |
| 10:18.09 | kresten | Vince35, debian.org? |
| 10:18.13 | liable | kelmo_lap: oh, it didnt go too indepth, you didnt really miss much. |
| 10:18.21 | Vince35 | kresten, xfce site |
| 10:18.50 | bbls | kresten, you can at any moment to apt-get any package |
| 10:18.52 | kelmo_lap | kresten, xfce4 is the meta package iirc |
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| 10:19.25 | intx | between aide and samhain, any comments/recommendations? I'm leaning towards samhain |
| 10:19.46 | liable | kresten: x-window-system-core xfce4 xfce4-goodies xdm .. should get you started |
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| 10:20.05 | kelmo_lap | liable, ok, thanks for the interest |
| 10:20.07 | kresten | kelmo_lap, ok. So I couldjust fetch and install that and it should take care of all dependencies |
| 10:20.28 | bbls | is xdm the one that shows me login box on startup? |
| 10:20.35 | kelmo_lap | kresten, what liable said ^^ |
| 10:20.44 | bbls | because i want to disable the automatic launch of X |
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| 10:20.57 | liable | bbls: xdm gdm kdm wdm .. |
| 10:21.13 | kresten | kelmo_lap, ok ;) |
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| 10:21.21 | kresten | liable, Thanks! |
| 10:21.28 | bbls | i have xdm as last S99xdm or something in rc2.d |
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| 10:22.07 | liable | kresten: you gonna try and implement it? |
| 10:22.18 | rolemodel | what can i possibly break when upgrading from 2.0.55 to 2.2 using apt-get upgrade apache2? |
| 10:22.50 | nvz | rolemodel: your webserver? |
| 10:22.57 | rolemodel | nvz yeah. |
| 10:22.59 | liable | haha |
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| 10:23.07 | nvz | rolemodel: apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 10:23.34 | nvz | rolemodel: they are your friends on upgrades, they will query the bts and the changelog and notify you before upgrading of any known issues |
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| 10:24.00 | kresten | liable, not now... I'm running ubuntu on this machine and I'm gonna wait 'till my girlfriend gets home so that I have a second computer to ask you guys for help on... ;) |
| 10:24.03 | rolemodel | aha |
| 10:24.28 | rolemodel | aw crud im still using apache2.0.55 after an upgrade |
| 10:24.55 | [Elvis] | can someone tell me how to install qt on debian? |
| 10:24.55 | liable | kresten: err, sorry, misfire.. :) |
| 10:25.03 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.10 | kresten | liable, ok ;) |
| 10:25.17 | rolemodel | nvz i see. |
| 10:25.20 | nvz | rolemodel: its just a tool to help you when using testing/unstable |
| 10:25.22 | jshriver_ | back... |
| 10:25.39 | rolemodel | nvz i checked and apache2.2 is stable release atm |
| 10:25.47 | jshriver_ | what is initrd for? and is it manditory? I just finished building a new 2.6.15.1 kernel and edited menu.1st for grub.. ran grub... |
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| 10:26.05 | jshriver_ | made a new entry for the kernel, but never used initrd.img before |
| 10:26.22 | kresten | liable, there you go again... |
| 10:26.27 | liable | jshriver_: no, you dont need it if you have the neccessary drivers builtin |
| 10:26.27 | jshriver_ | thought all you needed was the bootloader and the kernel |
| 10:26.32 | nvz | rolemodel: if someone is mixing ubuntu sources and having a problem with foo 1.2.3-5 on a i386, and you are installing foo 1.2.3-4 on a ppc with official debain sources, you might be able to ignore that bug |
| 10:26.33 | nkuttler | [Elvis]: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:26.35 | jshriver_ | aye... |
| 10:26.47 | nvz | rolemodel: other than the changelogs and bugs, there is only trying it |
| 10:26.51 | rolemodel | nvz i see. |
| 10:27.01 | nvz | rolemodel: or leaving it the fuck alone if it works |
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| 10:27.07 | jshriver_ | hrm grub is taking a while "Probing devices" is that normal? never used grub before... only lilo |
| 10:27.16 | rolemodel | nvz i would leave it alone if it let me install ssl |
| 10:27.21 | jshriver_ | or do you have to edit anything other than menu.1st? |
| 10:27.29 | nvz | jshriver_: at boot or installing grub? |
| 10:27.50 | liable | jshriver_: if you used kpkg, then you shouldnt even have to touch grub |
| 10:27.54 | nvz | rolemodel: the ssl package depends on an upgrade of apache? |
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| 10:28.04 | jshriver_ | from within the system I edited the /boot/grub/menu.1st and added a new entry for the new kernel build.. then running grub to "make the changes" |
| 10:28.18 | jshriver_ | ? |
| 10:28.20 | intx | does grub have an option to select an os, only for the next reboot? |
| 10:28.27 | rolemodel | nvz supposedly its a module. the upgrade is just so i can better know what modules i can install |
| 10:28.40 | liable | jshriver_: how did you build the kernel? |
| 10:28.48 | jshriver_ | I made a fresh build, so I could use the nvidia drivers |
| 10:29.00 | liable | how? |
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| 10:29.27 | jshriver_ | make menuconfig; make dep; make modules; make modules_install; make bzImage; cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot; emacs /boot/grub/menu.1st; grub.. is what I did |
| 10:29.36 | [Elvis] | nkuttler I need qt3 installed to intsall mythtv |
| 10:29.50 | liable | jshriver_: learn about kernel-package to make life easier |
| 10:29.54 | loxley | jshriver_: thats not the debian way, make-kpkg is the way to go |
| 10:30.08 | nkuttler | [Elvis]: apt-get install mythtv? |
| 10:30.16 | jshriver_ | ? hrm.. well I've done a lot of custom kernel stuff in the past.. so became use to it. |
| 10:30.25 | liable | jshriver_: editing menu.lst should be all you need to do though |
| 10:30.33 | nkuttler | [Elvis]: erm... that's from my marillat sources apparently |
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| 10:30.37 | jshriver_ | not familiar with it. kpkg will check it out.. |
| 10:30.44 | dr1v3r | anyon eknow how to setup FXP on proftpd 1.2.10? i have checked the man pages, the howtos the internet and the only thing i can find is there should be an option called allowforiegnaddress but it is not in the config file, I have even tried to add it into the config and restarting but nothing is working, anyone got any ideas |
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| 10:30.53 | jshriver_ | once you edit the menu.1st, do you just run grub? it came to a prompt |
| 10:30.53 | nkuttler | [Elvis]: /msg dpkg marillat for packages |
| 10:31.02 | [Elvis] | yeah but I wanna compile myself nkuttler |
| 10:31.04 | liable | jshriver_: no need to run grub |
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| 10:31.13 | jshriver_ | k |
| 10:31.20 | dr1v3r | I need to transfer some files from my old box to my new one but it will takes hours if i download to my machoine and then upload to my new box :( |
| 10:31.22 | jshriver_ | well going to reboot.. bbiab and hopefully in the new kernel :) |
| 10:32.40 | nkuttler | [Elvis]: apt-cache search qt dev, install the appropriate packages |
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| 10:35.06 | phydoxx | hello |
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| 10:35.52 | wishkah | my /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h got corrupted. does anyone know the debian package that provides that file? (xorg, nvidia glx) |
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| 10:35.59 | phydoxx | when i place my customized version of "export PS1" to /etc/profile and/or /etc/bash_bashrc these changes dont take effect. any ideas? |
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| 10:36.17 | phydoxx | wishkah, use apt-file to find out in which package the file is |
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| 10:37.12 | jshriver_ | hrm.. I made the entry identical to the previous ones, only omitting the initrd, and changed the kernel image name.... but it said VFS kernel panic... (hda3) set root.. but I did /boot/linux-2.6.15.1 root=/dev/hda3 |
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| 10:37.51 | loxley | phydoxx: when you login with ssh or? |
| 10:38.16 | jshriver_ | anyone have any ideas? |
| 10:38.16 | phydoxx | loxley, when i open an xterm session or login from a console |
| 10:38.30 | jshriver_ | appreciate the help btw |
| 10:38.42 | loxley | phydoxx: look in your ~/.bashrc if something is overriding /etc/bash* |
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| 10:39.51 | phydoxx | loxley, oh. i think i understood "man bash" wrong then. i thought the "reads /etc/profile" first means the first hit counts like it does on iptables rules |
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| 10:43.53 | liable | jshriver_: paste ls /boot and menu.lst to paster |
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| 10:44.43 | jshriver_ | k |
| 10:44.48 | phydoxx | loxley, thanks :) it works |
| 10:45.05 | phydoxx | the user's ".bashrc" was overwriting the settings |
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| 10:47.01 | jshriver_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1683 |
| 10:47.07 | loxley | phydoxx: yup great :) |
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| 10:49.22 | comsa | , |
| 10:49.38 | liable | jshriver_: hrm, you sure you incleded all neccessary shits in kernel? |
| 10:49.55 | jshriver_ | might not have... will recheck.. |
| 10:50.03 | liable | s/incleded/included/ |
| 10:50.15 | jshriver_ | might have forgotten to add ext2 support or something silly |
| 10:50.28 | webwolf_27 | would somebody please be so kind as to tell me what file I need to edit to make the font larger in X apps (like the config in XMMS) they are so small I can barely see them |
| 10:50.29 | jshriver_ | brb |
| 10:50.53 | jshriver_ | btw for architecture, what would a Celeron 1.7ghz rate? PIII/Celeron? |
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| 10:51.36 | webwolf_27 | jshriver_, should be i686, i586 would be safe |
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| 10:52.15 | jshriver_ | hrm, had "Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support" as a module.. probably it |
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| 10:52.31 | liable | yerp |
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| 10:53.10 | jshriver_ | btw.. is make dep a macro for modules;modules_install; bzImage now? |
| 10:53.14 | webwolf_27 | anybody? |
| 10:53.20 | liable | jshriver_: use kpkg! |
| 10:53.26 | jshriver_ | lol |
| 10:53.32 | liable | !kp mantra |
| 10:53.32 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 10:53.54 | jshriver_ | kpkg: command not found |
| 10:53.57 | liable | jshriver_: really, all you need is make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 10:54.04 | jshriver_ | nor a man page |
| 10:54.07 | liable | jshriver_: install kernel-package |
| 10:54.08 | jshriver_ | oh..hrm |
| 10:54.38 | jshriver_ | installing kernel-package now.. |
| 10:54.44 | liable | but do the make-kpkg clean first |
| 10:54.48 | jshriver_ | does it auto grab all of the modules for all of my devices? |
| 10:54.57 | jshriver_ | that's why I fine tune the kernel |
| 10:55.04 | liable | it'll make whatever you included in config |
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| 10:55.41 | liable | jshriver_: it will make a .deb, then you dpkg -i it |
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| 10:55.53 | jshriver_ | hrm...checking the man page now |
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| 10:57.11 | jshriver_ | hrm tis almost 6am, think kpkg is more than I'm willing to spend right now, but will learn it. |
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| 10:57.57 | jshriver_ | tried make-kpkg linux-2.6.15.1 and various variations of 2.6.15.1 no luck and bzImage |
| 10:58.32 | Ace2005 | jshriver_: are you building a custom kernel? |
| 10:58.39 | jshriver_ | was... |
| 10:58.41 | jshriver_ | :) |
| 10:58.59 | jshriver_ | well not really custom... didnt patch the source tree or anything.. and grateful too |
| 10:59.20 | jshriver_ | brb going to reboot.. hope this fixed it |
| 10:59.21 | Ace2005 | oh ok |
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| 11:00.06 | Ace2005 | I can't get into Ctrl + Alt + F1 |
| 11:00.15 | Ace2005 | wait |
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| 11:01.04 | Ace2005 | when the PC starts and the login is there i can't get into F1/2/3/4/5/6, however i logged in and i got to F8 and then back to F1, why was that? |
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| 11:02.33 | jshriver_ | well crap... now it's complaining "unknown block(3,3)" |
| 11:02.38 | jshriver_ | in respect to VFS |
| 11:03.23 | jshriver_ | the FS, and IDE drivers are built into the kernel |
| 11:03.28 | liable | 3,3? |
| 11:03.36 | jshriver_ | yeah |
| 11:03.52 | jshriver_ | my root partition is /dev/hda3 |
| 11:03.59 | jshriver_ | making this dual boot for gaming |
| 11:04.07 | jshriver_ | in addition to mythtv |
| 11:04.07 | liable | should be (hd0,2) |
| 11:04.15 | SimonRaven | shouldn't that be 0,2 ? |
| 11:04.17 | jshriver_ | ? hrm.. let me check |
| 11:04.24 | SimonRaven | liable: heh :) |
| 11:04.35 | liable | !win me |
| 11:04.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the US presidency! |
| 11:04.41 | liable | bah :) |
| 11:04.43 | jshriver_ | I have root (hd0,2) in the menu.1st |
| 11:05.15 | SimonRaven | lst not 1st |
| 11:05.22 | jshriver_ | oh.. oops :( |
| 11:05.36 | jshriver_ | been using tab autocomplete.. so wasn't sure |
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| 11:06.10 | webwolf_27 | how can I change the size of the Xfonts? |
| 11:07.29 | webwolf_27 | the index in (for example) xchm is so small it hurts my eyes |
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| 11:07.47 | liable | jshriver_: change linux-2.6.15 to vmlinuz-2.6.15 and run update grub |
| 11:07.54 | SimonRaven | you probably want to set some font in ~/.Xresources |
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| 11:08.10 | liable | though i doubt it will change anything.. |
| 11:08.19 | liable | update-grub.. |
| 11:08.22 | jshriver_ | hrm.. ok |
| 11:08.25 | webwolf_27 | SimonRaven, looking for it now |
| 11:08.28 | jshriver_ | :) doesnt hurt to try |
| 11:08.46 | SimonRaven | man <command> |
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| 11:09.12 | SimonRaven | should have entries in it mentioning Xresources/Xdefaults |
| 11:09.38 | threat | mmm beer and pizza |
| 11:09.40 | SimonRaven | then once you've made changes, run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
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| 11:10.02 | liable | meh, i have beer, no pizza :( |
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| 11:10.06 | webwolf_27 | SimonRaven, it doesn't |
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| 11:10.33 | webwolf_27 | SimonRaven, only xterm and Rxvt |
| 11:11.04 | SimonRaven | man xchm doesn't have it? |
| 11:11.14 | webwolf_27 | nope |
| 11:11.34 | SimonRaven | stupid ... check the upstream README (the one not called *.Debian) |
| 11:11.57 | SimonRaven | /usr/share/doc/<package name> |
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| 11:14.09 | jetscreamer | oh yeah wake up and lookie |
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| 11:33.57 | jshriver_ | woohoo :) |
| 11:34.14 | jshriver_ | ok it's working now.. and the NVIDIA driver installed and configured X which is nice... |
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| 11:34.28 | jshriver_ | know of any good 3d apps for linux? I want to see how this puppy will perform :) |
| 11:34.36 | jshriver_ | or game demo's? |
| 11:35.10 | liable | tuxracer, neverball, americas army, .. |
| 11:35.20 | kelmo_lap | i like foobillard |
| 11:35.54 | jetscreamer | enemy territory |
| 11:36.02 | jshriver_ | hehe |
| 11:36.06 | jshriver_ | ok googling now |
| 11:36.08 | jetscreamer | it's full |
| 11:36.10 | jetscreamer | and id |
| 11:36.19 | jshriver_ | first time I've ever had a 3d hardware card.. always integrated |
| 11:36.31 | jetscreamer | q3 is oopensource, d/l the code and code you're self up a game |
| 11:36.38 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 11:36.45 | jshriver_ | lol |
| 11:36.50 | jetscreamer | yourselelf :( i can't spell |
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| 11:38.16 | jshriver_ | installing tuxracer |
| 11:38.29 | mrverbose | did anyone get the i810_rng working on an i810/i815 chipset? |
| 11:38.33 | jshriver_ | thank you guys for everything, I really really appreciate it... |
| 11:38.43 | jshriver_ | mrverbose, yea.. running right now on my main desktop |
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| 11:38.53 | mrverbose | jshriver_: what chipset? |
| 11:38.55 | jshriver_ | just add it into the kernel |
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| 11:38.59 | jshriver_ | Intel i810 |
| 11:39.10 | jshriver_ | PIII 900mhz system |
| 11:39.19 | mrverbose | when i load the module it says it cannot find the hardware |
| 11:39.28 | mrverbose | p3 933 on i815 here |
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| 11:40.11 | drac | modprobe i810 |
| 11:40.38 | mrverbose | drac: ? |
| 11:40.52 | drac | load 3D driver for i810 cards.. |
| 11:40.57 | drac | *loads |
| 11:41.02 | mrverbose | drac: maybe |
| 11:41.12 | jshriver_ | and "modprobe i810_rng" |
| 11:41.20 | drac | what is i810_rng ? |
| 11:41.35 | jshriver_ | random number generator hardware built into the i810/i815 motherboards |
| 11:41.40 | jshriver_ | kinda nice actually |
| 11:41.41 | mrverbose | drac: a random number generator that creates truely random numbers |
| 11:41.44 | drac | ah |
| 11:41.49 | mrverbose | jshriver_: yes, really nice |
| 11:41.50 | jshriver_ | man tuxracer looks awesome *tears up* lol |
| 11:41.55 | mrverbose | at least it would be |
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| 11:42.02 | mrverbose | jshriver_: what kernel-version? |
| 11:42.20 | jshriver_ | 2.6.14 something... but ran it on a 2.4 months back.. |
| 11:42.32 | jshriver_ | I compiled frmo source though, so not sure how it's done via kpkg.. |
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| 11:42.43 | mrverbose | jshriver_: so do i |
| 11:42.54 | mrverbose | so you modprobe hw_random actually? |
| 11:42.55 | jshriver_ | well it's 6:45am, machine is up and running w/ HW accelleration I'm happy.. time to pass out |
| 11:42.56 | jshriver_ | lol |
| 11:43.02 | pjv | is there a webmarshal ( http://www.netiq.com/products/wma/default.asp ) in linux, that can act like a server and perform web browsing security for the clients? |
| 11:43.18 | jshriver_ | g'night and thanks again.. g'luck mrverbose.... check the source tree it's in there |
| 11:43.33 | mrverbose | jshriver_: how is the module called? |
| 11:43.43 | mrverbose | hw_random or is there another i810_rng? |
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| 11:45.53 | mrverbose | modprobe hw_random |
| 11:45.54 | mrverbose | FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.14.6-grsec/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device |
| 11:45.58 | mrverbose | *grmml* |
| 11:46.12 | peej | how do I make my bitsy fonts look better? I wanna stay on icewm. |
| 11:46.27 | mrverbose | peej: switch the fonts :) |
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| 11:47.04 | juice` | how can i install experimental packages? i added it to sources.list but after apt-get update/upgrade nothing happens |
| 11:47.19 | peej | mrverbose : "-fn", "10x20" |
| 11:47.23 | juice` | im just trying to play with new packages, i know it can destroy my linux :) |
| 11:47.27 | liable | !experimental |
| 11:47.27 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 11:47.41 | peej | suggestions for a better font than 10x20 ? |
| 11:47.44 | peej | on a 17" |
| 11:47.48 | mrverbose | peej: wait a second |
| 11:48.01 | juice` | liable: not support, just a small hint how to install packages from it |
| 11:48.32 | syntax[a] | is there a debian chitchat channel? |
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| 11:48.32 | mrverbose | peej: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VUJXmp41.html |
| 11:48.39 | liable | juice`: you really sure you want to do this? just the fact that you are asking how to do it, suggest that you really shouldnt |
| 11:48.54 | peej | juice` : you'll be sorry. It's so bleeding edge, it bleeds all over you. |
| 11:48.55 | liable | syntax[a]: #debian-offtopic |
| 11:49.02 | syntax[a] | thanks |
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| 11:49.38 | juice` | yes, i have unused dedicated server at remote location. just out of boredom i debootstraped new debian on it and i want to play. if i destroy something i will just reinstall it quickly |
| 11:49.43 | juice` | i have no data on it |
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| 11:50.19 | juice` | (i can remote reinstall it booting from livecd ) |
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| 11:50.31 | mrverbose | i switched back from unstable to testing, and i do not regret it :) |
| 11:50.43 | peej | juice` : basically, where it says stable/testing/unstable put experimental instead. |
| 11:50.50 | haddock_ | is there any known bug in sshd from unstable? |
| 11:50.51 | juice` | peej: i tried that |
| 11:50.58 | juice` | peej: with 2 different sources |
| 11:51.05 | liable | haddock_: why dont you ask bts? |
| 11:51.18 | juice` | peej: and apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade/install package shows i have the newest package already installed |
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| 11:51.25 | peej | juice` : you need the right source too. Dunno where they are, I only had it for mplayer |
| 11:51.38 | haddock_ | liable bts ? |
| 11:51.49 | juice` | peej: strange that ftp.country.debian.org doesnt work |
| 11:51.57 | CAiRO | i have a problem with my smp kernel and my keyboard; often, it prints characters twice even though i only press them once? and this doesn't happen with smp off.. is there any workaround? |
| 11:52.03 | peej | eg for mplayer: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ experimental main |
| 11:52.08 | liable | !btssmite haddock_ |
| 11:52.16 | peej | juice` : but it did many evil things ;-) |
| 11:52.22 | haddock_ | liable okey thanks |
| 11:52.40 | juice` | peej: i feel like reinstalling this debian anyways ;) |
| 11:53.15 | juice` | peej: i want to have a stronger reason to do it. if it 'kernel panic' for example, that would convince me ;) ok well, i will look for it then |
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| 11:55.28 | peej | juice` : I've come to the conclusion that you should use debian stable for servers, debian testing for desktop if you don't need too much, and unstable for bleeding edge. ubuntu for people who don't want to know about computers. |
| 11:55.57 | peej | experimental is for the truly hardcore maniacs and developers ;-) |
| 11:56.24 | peej | but I repeat myself |
| 11:56.35 | JohnCC | I just started hearing some weird "grinding" noises from my debian box... It was sitting there (I use it as a low traffic server) and its start intermidently making a growling noise (noise last 1/2 second, then its silent for 1-10 seconds, then it repeats)... is this probably my drive dieing? |
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| 11:56.53 | susperia | problem with stable for servers is that you have to sit with old shit... like old kernel and php4 :P |
| 11:56.55 | peej | fan or drive |
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| 11:57.10 | robin_sz | OK, I have a slaptop with doze, redhat, lilo and 8gb of unpartitioned space .. before doing a debian sarge net install .. to grub, how should I panic? |
| 11:57.33 | ootput | is there a gtk frontend to lyx? |
| 11:57.35 | susperia | robin_sz how should you panic? |
| 11:57.43 | susperia | robin_sz run in circles while waiting for the installer |
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| 11:57.50 | peej | JohnCC: if you know where your fan is, try stopping it (not the smps fan or you will electrocute yourself) see if the noise dies. |
| 11:58.02 | JohnCC | peej: I'm grabbing the important data off of it right now, is there anything software I could do to check what's dieing, or would my best bet be to power down, open it up and visually check the fan? |
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| 11:58.28 | robin_sz | will grub recognise and find my dedrat and doze installs? |
| 11:59.04 | peej | JohnCC: 3 fans usually in a box: smps fan, circulation fan, cpu fan. For software diagnoses try looking in dmesg for funny /dev/hda etc messages. |
| 11:59.32 | peej | JohnCC: smartd is also helpful, but doesn't catch all problems. |
| 12:00.18 | peej | JohnCC: there is also stuff that will monitor cpu temp. |
| 12:00.41 | JohnCC | peej: I guess "acpi_pciehrpm:get_desvice PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001" counts as a funny message in the dmesg, eh? :-) |
| 12:01.57 | peej | JohnCC: no idea what that is, but it does not seem like a hard drive message. |
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| 12:03.02 | JohnCC | peej: oh... ok, good! I thought it was... |
| 12:03.18 | jetscreamer | hid might mean mouse or joystick or other usb device |
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| 12:03.32 | Newck | got a really stupid bash string-escaping question... |
| 12:03.39 | peej | mrverbose : thanks. looking through it :-) |
| 12:04.07 | Newck | want to run vlc with a command line in a bash script - but its got # and ' and whatnot |
| 12:04.22 | JohnCC | turn out its my network card (which I had to beat into submision to get it working)... the noise has stopped, but I'm still frightened... |
| 12:04.30 | peej | Newck: you can't escape a single quote in a single quote |
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| 12:04.51 | peej | JohnCC: the network card isn't gonna make a noise! |
| 12:05.03 | Newck | peej: right. so how does one pass a single quote in the commandline to another program? |
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| 12:05.11 | JohnCC | peej: no, I agree... I'm just saying that's what the error message was, so you're right, its not the hdd |
| 12:05.28 | bizkit | Newck: escape it? \' |
| 12:05.28 | bbrazil | Newck: \' or "'" |
| 12:05.46 | nlindblad | how come all fonts I use with KDE are so damn ugly? |
| 12:05.48 | peej | Newck: use " " to enclose the thing if you can. It's probably an faq actually. |
| 12:05.49 | Newck | that may work for the single quote, but bash treats the hash mark as a comment |
| 12:06.00 | nlindblad | even the ones that usually are so damn beautiful |
| 12:06.06 | bbrazil | Newck: you can do the same for the # |
| 12:06.07 | JohnCC | guess I'll power down, open and clean it out and hope that fixes whatever the problem is... its a REALLY old system (celeron 300a) that i haven't done any maintenance to... |
| 12:06.29 | Newck | peej: double quotes can contain the whole thing, but i'm not sure how to pass *that* as a command line... |
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| 12:06.34 | Newck | bbrazil: no, that doesn't work |
| 12:06.41 | bbrazil | Newck: note that the semantics of # are slightly different on the command line than in a script (its tweakable) |
| 12:06.43 | peej | JohnCC: the dustbunnies will getya. |
| 12:07.01 | bbrazil | Newck: echo \# works for me |
| 12:07.19 | JohnCC | peej: :-) do you think there's anything I need to oil, or should I replace the thermal paste, or anything like that? Or just blast it with compressed air and put 'er back to work? |
| 12:07.24 | Newck | bbrazil: i'm trying to do this in a script |
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| 12:07.51 | bizkit | Newck: where's the difference? |
| 12:07.58 | bbrazil | Newck: works in a script too. |
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| 12:10.09 | Newck | forgot to escape curly brackets. doh. |
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| 12:12.55 | xirjs | what do i need to run 'apm -s' as normal user ... without any password ... |
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| 12:14.10 | bbrazil | xirjs: sudo, NOPASSWD flag |
| 12:14.30 | xirjs | bbrazil: hmmm |
| 12:14.53 | peej | JohnCC: if it is a fan, replace it. Most fans, if you can't see them, you can feel the air from them if they aren't running. Drives have a characteristic noise. They're the only moving parts you have really. |
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| 12:15.39 | peej | drives you back up and replace, and enjoy the new breathing room that kydell's law or whatever it is for drives gives you |
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| 12:15.48 | xirjs | bbrazil: did not get it ... how do i set this flag ... ? |
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| 12:17.15 | CAiRO | i have a problem with my smp kernel and my keyboard; often, it prints characters twice even though i only press them once? and this doesn't happen with smp off.. is there any workaround? |
| 12:17.16 | JohnCC | peej: ok, once my data is off, I'll clean it out, then turn it on with the cover off and see if the fans are running... some fans will only come on when the computer reaches a certain temp, right? Is there any way to force them all on as a systems check? |
| 12:17.46 | foad | I know this is not ubunutu, but check out this thinggie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122474 , weird... |
| 12:18.19 | foad | firefox, opera, konqueror won't load the site |
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| 12:20.01 | amphi | foad: ? |
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| 12:20.23 | foad | can you visit thepost-.blogspot.com in your browser? |
| 12:20.27 | foad | amphi, ? |
| 12:20.31 | amphi | foad: n/m |
| 12:20.51 | peej | JohnCC: maybe in the bios or kernel. |
| 12:21.05 | JohnCC | peej: ok, will check the bios... |
| 12:21.32 | JohnCC | peej: the cpu fan should come on at soon as the computer starts though, right? |
| 12:21.36 | foad | amphi, never mind? this means you can or not ? |
| 12:21.38 | jetscreamer | somebody is named fugoff&di ? |
| 12:21.43 | amphi | foad: nor w3m, here |
| 12:21.45 | jetscreamer | how original |
| 12:21.56 | Da7thSon | Hi all. Can anyone help me with a problem i'm having installing debian 3.1r1a? |
| 12:22.03 | resiak | !tell Da7thSon -about ask |
| 12:22.26 | peej | JohnCC: but before you do that, just try holding the main vent fan still and see if the noise persists. Then, very carefull, with something wooden, hold the smps fan still. See if the noise halts. Better to isolate the problem. |
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| 12:23.00 | liable | how to escape with rsync? doesnt like \ .. |
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| 12:23.08 | peej | JohnCC: hey, or howabout disable the drive from bios. You could even maybe umount it if you have knoppix. |
| 12:23.31 | peej | JohnCC: you really want to isolate the problem. |
| 12:24.42 | JohnCC | peej: well, unfortunately the noise has stopped, so it'll be tougher to isolate it now... |
| 12:24.56 | JohnCC | peej: it would suck if the noise stopped because a fan just died :-( |
| 12:25.13 | Da7thSon | I am trying to install debian using hte network installation CD 31r1a. I have a machine with an adaptec 19160 scsi controller with a singe 18gig hdd and also a Mylex SCSI RAID controler with 4 18gig hdd in a RAID 5. if i install debian to a single drive it works fine. If i try to split off /var, /home, /usr to the raid disks then when the machine boots i get "no operating system found". any ideas? |
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| 12:25.53 | kristalino | is there a tool to generate an Entity Relation ship Model from a sql database ? |
| 12:26.05 | robin_sz | OK, my dell inspiron hangs during the installer at "starting PC card services" ... now what/ |
| 12:26.41 | CAiRO | i have a problem with my smp kernel and my keyboard; often, it prints characters twice even though i only press them once? and this doesn't happen with smp off.. is there any workaround? |
| 12:27.06 | HugLeo | I have a package broken, but is functionary. I want install others packages, but o apt-get need to remove the package broken. What do I? |
| 12:27.39 | peej | sheesh. tftpd is really lame. Serves from /srv regardless of what you tell it! |
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| 12:28.34 | Fish-Face | Does anyone know where the torrents for the weekly testings have gone? |
| 12:29.10 | peej | JohnCC: can't you see if the fans are moving, or feel them blowing? |
| 12:29.24 | liable | nm |
| 12:29.42 | JohnCC | peej: I'm still backing up data, so I haven't opened it yet... I guess I can open it up and check out the fans... |
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| 12:30.23 | andrew_p | Hello, please remind me a parameter used to boot 2.6.8 on Sarge... |
| 12:31.38 | liable | linux26 |
| 12:31.49 | liable | F3 |
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| 12:32.15 | peej | JohnCC: yup, with the power on to try and catch the culprit. But try holding your hand by the vents. |
| 12:32.36 | andrew_p | thanks, liable |
| 12:32.50 | [Elvis] | can someone help me get qt running? |
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| 12:34.40 | nlindblad | how come cdrecord doesn't support DVD? |
| 12:34.50 | nlindblad | and why isn't k3b available? |
| 12:35.49 | resiak | In Testing? |
| 12:35.54 | resiak | !why is k3b not in testing? |
| 12:35.54 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 12:36.14 | resiak | Oh, and cdrecord doesn't do DVD because Jörg Schilling is a cock |
| 12:36.32 | susperia | haha |
| 12:36.49 | nlindblad | resiak: I'll kill him |
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| 12:36.54 | nlindblad | in a very painful way |
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| 12:37.16 | nlindblad | (only kidding) |
| 12:37.18 | Lewoco | deadcat: Yes, except it's got the wrong hostname. |
| 12:37.20 | peej | nlindblad : tsk. Just demand a refund for what you paid for it. |
| 12:37.23 | Lewoco | oops |
| 12:37.25 | Lewoco | wrong window |
| 12:37.53 | nlindblad | peej: I get it |
| 12:37.58 | [Elvis] | can anyone tell me how to get qt up and running |
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| 12:39.08 | resiak | [Elvis]: Qt is a toolkit, so you kinda don't |
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| 12:39.54 | [Elvis] | well resiak I can't get mythtv made with this error http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/error2.txt , and I don't know how to solve it |
| 12:40.22 | resiak | Do you have appropriate qt -dev libraries installed? |
| 12:40.59 | bbrazil | xirjs: check the man page, it has examples |
| 12:42.07 | [Elvis] | resiak...I installed libqt3-dev and libqt3c102 should I install more? |
| 12:42.18 | resiak | [Elvis]: Why not ask the mythtv folks? |
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| 12:44.16 | liable | [Elvis]: why not just get it from marillat? |
| 12:44.45 | [Elvis] | that's for sid |
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| 12:45.35 | liable | theres no mythtv for sarge there? |
| 12:45.41 | jetscreamer | and etch and sarge iirc |
| 12:46.07 | jetscreamer | etch i'm sure, sarge i think so |
| 12:46.48 | Da7thSon | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.23 | liable | Da7thSon: you got cut off |
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| 12:47.41 | Da7thSon | how far down? |
| 12:47.42 | kristalino | do you know a gpl software that can draw UML diagram from a sql text database ? |
| 12:47.54 | liable | IDE disk and.. |
| 12:48.00 | JohnCC | peej: the system only has one fan (directly on the cpu), and I can see its still running. the hdd is hot to the touch (not burning hot, but mildly uncomfortable to keep your finger on it) |
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| 12:48.15 | Da7thSon | ..and the same happens. I can install redhat 9 with no problems. |
| 12:48.27 | peej | Da7thSon : lilo not pointing to correct /boot? |
| 12:48.30 | robin_sz | OK, so this time I tried installing with hw-detect/pcmcia_start=false .. and it went all through partitioning, but then hung up on "extra packages discover1..." |
| 12:48.33 | robin_sz | sigh |
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| 12:48.45 | peej | Da7thSon : sorry, that's wrong. Lilo comes first |
| 12:48.47 | Da7thSon | looks like it peej, but how do i fix it? |
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| 12:49.30 | peej | JohnCC: you have no smps ? Is this a via mobo? |
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| 12:49.45 | robin_sz | sigh .. why are latops and debian so hard? |
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| 12:50.00 | JohnCC | peej: smps? mobo? sorry, not familiar with either of those terms (googling now) |
| 12:50.21 | liable | robin_sz: laptops and linux are hard full stop cause of the shite things manufacturers put in em |
| 12:50.21 | robin_sz | is there a channel for installer related problems? |
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| 12:50.36 | robin_sz | liable: sigh, you are prolly right |
| 12:50.38 | liable | !laptop |
| 12:50.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 12:50.46 | peej | JohnCC: harddrive getting close to 60 deg c is within operating parameters probably. 60deg is the kind of hotness you are describing <- trivia you learn ;-) |
| 12:51.04 | JohnCC | peej: :-) that's good... |
| 12:51.21 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi,, I'm having some problems with NFS, I've got a debian sarge setup and it's exporting the share ok, my Mac OS X Tiger client can connect to the share but I can't write to the export. I get permission denied, I think it's something to do with conflicting UID's but I'm a total newb and I can't work out how to fix it. Any pointers that don't include tldp? |
| 12:51.29 | peej | JohnCC: mobo is short for motherboard. smps is the power-supply unit. does the smps have vents in it? |
| 12:51.36 | robin_sz | liable: do you thing a more recent net install CD might help? it hung on "extra packages discover1..." |
| 12:51.41 | JohnCC | peej: a good product idea would be little stickers that you could put on hdd or devices, that would change color based on different temps... a poor man's temp monitor |
| 12:52.00 | robin_sz | liable: Id say the netinst image I have is a year old |
| 12:52.22 | JohnCC | peej: sorry, you're right, the "smps" does have a fan, and it is still working |
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| 12:52.41 | peej | JohnCC: heatsentive paint. Yeah, you used to get them from RS. Probably available online. Dead cheap. |
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| 12:53.10 | robin_sz | JohnCC: a rich mans temp monitor ... have you any idea how cheap temp monitors are? like 2 to 6c in smt form |
| 12:53.33 | peej | JohnCC: yebbut the noise stopped. mebbe the noise was fan getting stuck. |
| 12:53.35 | JohnCC | <grin> why don't they put them on hdd at the factory? |
| 12:53.55 | robin_sz | maybe they do |
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| 12:54.06 | robin_sz | they are in cpus |
| 12:54.18 | callan_ | Can someone help with some gtk errors, every gtk app i run gives me this: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server / Xlib: No protocol specified / Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 12:54.29 | robin_sz | actually, I am certain HDDs DO have a temp monitor ... |
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| 12:54.45 | robin_sz | there is a LOT of temp compensation done internally in hdds |
| 12:54.54 | liable | robin_sz: you could try the etch d-i |
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| 12:55.11 | robin_sz | liable: etc is testing ? |
| 12:55.14 | robin_sz | etch |
| 12:55.33 | liable | robin_sz: yeah |
| 12:55.37 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 12:55.45 | liable | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 12:55.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 12:55.50 | liable | robin_sz: ^^ |
| 12:56.12 | callan_ | Please anyone? This is really urgent. |
| 12:56.34 | liable | callan_: are you trying to start stuff as root? |
| 12:56.48 | JohnCC | thanks for your help all, glad everything seems ok... at least it scared me into backing up and cleaning my case (my second hdd failure ever happened last week, it would have been bizarre to have another drive die today) |
| 12:56.52 | peej | callan_: you are using ssh to run the gtk app? |
| 12:56.58 | callan_ | Yes, but even synaptic gets errors |
| 12:57.03 | callan_ | peej: No. |
| 12:57.08 | jetscreamer | or sudo even |
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| 12:57.30 | callan_ | I'm using sudo. But synaptic is getting the errors. |
| 12:57.39 | callan_ | It didn't about 10 minutes ago. |
| 12:57.53 | robin_sz | liable: and sid is unstable? |
| 12:57.54 | liable | callan_: start shit from the menu, not term |
| 12:58.00 | liable | robin_sz: yes |
| 12:58.10 | liable | robin_sz: try that sarge 2.6.14 d-i |
| 12:58.13 | callan_ | ... ok, thanks. |
| 12:58.20 | peej | JohnCC: hah. I'm working through about 3 machines at home that all died recently. I'm trying to net install on to a laptop that pxe boots only for this sort of thing - can't even dump an image to it via disk to disk because it is a non-standard connector. |
| 12:58.22 | robin_sz | so thats srage, with a unbstable kernel? |
| 12:58.34 | robin_sz | and a fairly current net install image? |
| 12:58.37 | peej | I am a masochist. |
| 12:58.39 | liable | well, 2.6.14 kernel, yeah |
| 12:58.48 | liable | same apps |
| 12:58.51 | liable | as sarge |
| 12:58.52 | robin_sz | 'k |
| 12:58.59 | JohnCC | peej: ouch! maybe your karma is bad... have you been doing naughty things recently? ;-) |
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| 12:59.13 | peej | callan: mebbe your x server is running elsewhere? |
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| 13:00.57 | peej | JohnCC: well actually, one was a p100 that I deliberately was running by giving the drive a thwack to get going 'cos it was a gateway that stayed up for months without a reboot. The stuff it had to do ran mostly in ram, so it limped along fine |
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| 13:02.25 | JohnCC | peej: :-) guess I'm not the only one who doesn't like to let his old machines die :-) I have a p75 sitting next to me... nothing to use it for, BUT... |
| 13:02.52 | robin_sz | peej: sometimes when 1 of the 3 phases of the drive motors fail, you can start them by giving them a "spin" with your hand |
| 13:03.01 | robin_sz | 2 pahses will run, but not start |
| 13:03.05 | peej | JohnCC: stick a pxe ethernet card in it and make it a gateway. |
| 13:03.36 | peej | robin_sz: kewl. Any clues about click of death sounds? |
| 13:04.17 | JohnCC | I don't really need a gateway... |
| 13:04.18 | robin_sz | peej: well, that aint called "click of death" for nothing ;) ... either its the heads parking .. or twatting something. |
| 13:04.37 | peej | robin_sz... szmeti? |
| 13:04.44 | robin_sz | szemeti |
| 13:04.57 | peej | ogri/ixie? |
| 13:05.03 | robin_sz | might be ;) |
| 13:05.21 | peej | or was it orgi ;-) |
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| 13:05.33 | robin_sz | heh |
| 13:05.46 | bloodaxe | hello |
| 13:05.55 | peej | no spiders under there I take it ;-) |
| 13:06.04 | robin_sz | no, they crashed |
| 13:06.29 | bloodaxe | i'am on debian sarge, and i have a problem when i compile a new kernel 2.6.15 |
| 13:06.34 | bloodaxe | i have this errir: Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Pleasespecify a subarch, and try again.. Arrêt. |
| 13:06.58 | JohnCC | sorry, I know this is probably pretty off topic, but what's the best way to compare AMD to Intel processors? e.g. I know that you can't just look at the speed... but if you're comparing a couple of systems, and they're similar except for processors, what would be a good way to compare the two? |
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| 13:08.28 | bloodaxe | anyone can help me? |
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| 13:09.07 | robin_sz | johnCC for single core systems you can try someting like amd.speed * 1.3 = intel.speed and not be too far out |
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| 13:09.23 | JohnCC | robin_sz: really? cool, thanks! |
| 13:09.36 | robin_sz | well, close enough for most things anyway |
| 13:09.46 | nkuttler | bloodaxe: what command did you use? |
| 13:10.00 | robin_sz | peej: are you still on ixion? |
| 13:10.09 | JohnCC | robin_sz: I'm just trying to determine the best "bang for my buck", so I'm sure that'd work |
| 13:10.12 | bloodaxe | i use this comand: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --revision=2.6.15 kernel-image kernel-headers |
| 13:10.53 | nkuttler | bloodaxe: hm, try to add a --arch yourarch |
| 13:11.00 | jetscreamer | JohnCC: anandtech.com or tomshardware |
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| 13:11.14 | ronove | what commands should I use to apt-get e17 from http://www.soulmachine.net/debian/unstable/ ? |
| 13:11.24 | scorn | Just installed xebian, and while I can hear sound from xbox using xmms, I have no control over the volume. |
| 13:11.24 | scorn | <scorn> What do I need to do to get volume/mixer control working? |
| 13:11.26 | jetscreamer | bloodaxe: if you use initrd you need to add --initrd |
| 13:11.26 | bloodaxe | ok i have an athlon, i add --arch k7 ? |
| 13:12.18 | jetscreamer | make sure your bootloader reflects your choice, either way |
| 13:12.54 | nkuttler | bloodaxe: did you configure your kernel? |
| 13:13.01 | bloodaxe | yes |
| 13:14.03 | bloodaxe | if i specify --arch k7 i have the same error |
| 13:14.22 | Snow | hi, there is are 2 lan cards in the server, but debian only finds one, how could I help him find another one ? |
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| 13:14.27 | Snow | dmesg doesn't see eth1, only eth1 |
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| 13:16.55 | Snow | guys, any ideas? |
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| 13:17.47 | scorn | Snow: are the NIC's the same type? |
| 13:18.04 | Snow | no |
| 13:18.07 | Snow | one is realtek, another 3com |
| 13:18.15 | Snow | but I don't know exactly, how Could I check what type is it? |
| 13:18.16 | scorn | Snow: sounds like the module for one of them is not loaded. |
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| 13:18.27 | Snow | yeah, I know that scorn |
| 13:18.29 | scorn | lspci |
| 13:18.33 | Snow | not I have to find the type of the card, and the module |
| 13:18.44 | Snow | 0000:00:0a.0 Network controller: 3Com Corporation: Unknown device ffff |
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| 13:18.51 | Snow | that's the one, what is the module for it? |
| 13:18.54 | bloodaxe | same error with i586: unknown Debian architecture i586, you must specify GNU system type, too at/usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 214. |
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| 13:19.45 | scorn | Snow: when I get that type of id back, I typically have to open the thing up and read the chip manually. |
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| 13:20.02 | Snow | hmmz |
| 13:20.02 | scorn | but smarter people in here my have better solutions. |
| 13:20.11 | Snow | or maybe just load all 3com |
| 13:20.12 | scorn | my=may |
| 13:20.12 | Snow | modules? |
| 13:20.24 | scorn | that could work too. |
| 13:20.33 | Snow | with modprobe ? |
| 13:20.37 | scorn | y |
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| 13:20.51 | Snow | how could I do that with modprobe ;/ |
| 13:21.45 | scorn | Snow: I'd try one at a time, checking dmesg each time to see if it found the card. as root: modprobe (name of module without the .o/.ko extention) |
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| 13:22.05 | Snow | 3com 3c9oocombo-based ethernet what is module for that? |
| 13:22.31 | bloodaxe | nkuttler>make-kpkg --arch=i686 --rootcmd fakeroot --revision=2.6.15 kernel-image kernel-headers can't compile :-( |
| 13:22.32 | jetscreamer | !tell Snow -about scyld |
| 13:23.31 | jetscreamer | bloodaxe: why do you want the kernel headers package anyway, to take to a different box? |
| 13:23.48 | Snow | tgabjs het |
| 13:23.52 | Snow | thanks jet, scorn |
| 13:23.54 | jetscreamer | np[ |
| 13:23.56 | bloodaxe | after i must compile nvidia drivers |
| 13:24.17 | jetscreamer | bloodaxe: all you need is the source you built the kernel with |
| 13:24.41 | bloodaxe | if i don't specifi kernel-headers i have the same errors... |
| 13:24.44 | jetscreamer | just don't erase it and the nvidia-installer will automagically find it |
| 13:24.50 | jetscreamer | be running the kernel |
| 13:24.58 | jetscreamer | that you built |
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| 13:25.36 | scorn | Snow: I would take jet's advise, I've used this scyld in the past, but can't remember what it does. |
| 13:25.47 | Snow | !tell Snow -about scyld |
| 13:26.02 | scorn | Snow: I'd have to hunt for the exact module name. |
| 13:26.05 | jetscreamer | otherwise, apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` && sh NVIDIA-blah.run --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 13:26.29 | bloodaxe | ok |
| 13:26.35 | jetscreamer | i add -anN and sometimes -anNk (or is it K) |
| 13:26.43 | jetscreamer | k for keep other version |
| 13:26.45 | loxley | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:26.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:26.47 | bloodaxe | can i compile nvidia driver into a kernel? |
| 13:27.07 | jetscreamer | bloodaxe: that's not the correct words |
| 13:27.13 | jetscreamer | more like a kernel-module maybe |
| 13:27.29 | bloodaxe | ok |
| 13:27.37 | jetscreamer | but bloodaxe |
| 13:27.49 | jetscreamer | using the .run isn't the 'Debian Way' |
| 13:27.55 | jetscreamer | the nvidia one-liner is |
| 13:28.23 | scorn | Does anyone know what needs to be done in order to get volume/mixer control working in xebian? |
| 13:28.24 | jetscreamer | you'll get more help doing it the debian way |
| 13:28.28 | bloodaxe | using debian packing is more powerfull to using the .run? |
| 13:28.36 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 13:28.50 | jetscreamer | i personally think they're about the same |
| 13:29.04 | jetscreamer | but i've never done the debian way |
| 13:29.16 | bloodaxe | ok |
| 13:29.23 | jetscreamer | when i had to learn it wasn't very good at the tiime |
| 13:29.40 | jetscreamer | for nvidia i mean |
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| 13:30.28 | Snow | idiot:~# modprobe 3c59x |
| 13:30.28 | Snow | idiot:~# ifconfig |
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| 13:30.44 | Snow | and there I can't see eth1 ( the vortex thing ) |
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| 13:30.46 | Snow | only realtek |
| 13:30.51 | asg | Snow: try ifconfig -a |
| 13:31.01 | madbull_ | anyone have any expereince setting up vlans on debian? |
| 13:31.02 | Snow | the same :) |
| 13:31.07 | Snow | eth1 lo sit0 |
| 13:31.07 | bloodaxe | ok, so after i have compile this kernel i installed nvidia driver with deb package |
| 13:31.26 | clojster | how to configure clean install of apache2 package do be able to use .htaccess files in /var/www/ directories? |
| 13:31.29 | asg | Snow: does dmesg now show eth0 after your ran modprobe? |
| 13:31.41 | Snow | eth0 is realtek, which works fine |
| 13:31.51 | Snow | but I need 3c900 to work properly |
| 13:31.54 | asg | Snow: and eth1 is the 3com? |
| 13:32.01 | Snow | yesw |
| 13:32.02 | bloodaxe | but i d'ont understand why i does not compile |
| 13:32.02 | Snow | yes |
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| 13:32.23 | asg | Snow: but you just said that /sbin/ifconfig -a showed eth1 right? |
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| 13:32.57 | bloodaxe | uname -m compile say me "i686" |
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| 13:33.14 | Snow | asg: no, it showed only eth0, realtek |
| 13:33.15 | hellfire | hi. i have to read a lot of source code, and i'm having a little trouble to find a right approach to it. does anyone know a howto on efficiently reading source code? |
| 13:33.16 | bloodaxe | but make-kpkg --arch i686 --rootcmd fakeroot --revision=2.6.15 kernel- |
| 13:33.32 | Snow | 15:31 < Snow> and there I can't see eth1 ( the vortex thing ) |
| 13:33.32 | bloodaxe | say me this error: unknown Debian architecture i686, you must specify GNU system type, too at/usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 214. |
| 13:33.34 | Snow | 15:31 < Snow> only realtek |
| 13:33.40 | peej | hellfire: syntax highlighting? |
| 13:33.48 | grumpydog | Snow are you the Snow form h3c? |
| 13:33.52 | grumpydog | from |
| 13:34.02 | hellfire | peej: yeah. |
| 13:34.14 | Snow | grumpydog: o |
| 13:34.17 | Snow | nnno ;] |
| 13:34.43 | grumpydog | ok Snow :) thought you were some aussie chix0r |
| 13:34.55 | peej | hellfire: tidier? |
| 13:35.11 | bloodaxe | they have one bug on kernel-package deb package |
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| 13:35.24 | asg | Snow: hmmmm, 3coms are generally well supported so it is possible that there are issues with slot placement on the mobo. Does lspci indicate the card? |
| 13:35.25 | bloodaxe | it's possible is the cause |
| 13:35.26 | grumpydog | Snow someone I have not seen for like 7 years online |
| 13:35.46 | hellfire | peej: what is tidier? |
| 13:35.55 | Ace2005 | Help with internet connection sharing in firestarter, it won't work, says unknown error occured, all the dhcp3-* stuff have been installed but it won't work |
| 13:36.09 | Snow | asg yes |
| 13:36.13 | Snow | 0000:00:0a.0 Network controller: 3Com Corporation: Unknown device ffff |
| 13:36.14 | Snow | like that :D |
| 13:36.18 | hellfire | peej: i cant find it on google |
| 13:36.25 | grumpydog | Ace2005, whta is the problem/ just buy a router |
| 13:36.57 | grumpydog | Snow got problems with your device? |
| 13:37.05 | peej | hellfire: I mean a beautifier. Run it through a beautifier. If the code is good, it looks good - generally. |
| 13:38.06 | peej | hellfire : otoh if it is intrinsically bad, it will still look horrible. |
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| 13:38.30 | eXistenZ | Does anyoneg know a good ftp client which has a resume option? |
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| 13:39.07 | Snow | asg: no idea? |
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| 13:39.11 | grumpydog | Snow it is a software card you are unlikely to get support, buy a new card. |
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| 13:39.31 | hellfire | peej: well, the source code is clean and tidy already. my brain just starts hurting when i find two for loops one in another and references to bth couting variables. i have to start writing tons of variables on a peace of paper. well, i think maybe i have to go through of this. |
| 13:39.35 | grumpydog | het eXistenZ my favourite arabic speaker:) |
| 13:39.47 | eXistenZ | grumpydog, yo :)- |
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| 13:39.52 | grumpydog | hiya |
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| 13:40.07 | eXistenZ | never seen you in #debian |
| 13:40.08 | bloodaxe | jetscreamer>i have install the sid version of kernel-package and make, i now the kernel compile correctly |
| 13:40.16 | highvoltage | hi. can anyone help me with a gksudo problem? i need to accept an argument from a gnome launcher. |
| 13:40.22 | Snow | idiot:~# insmod 3c59x.o debug=1 options=0,,4 full_duplex=0,0,1 |
| 13:40.23 | Snow | insmod: can't read '3c59x.o': No such file or directory |
| 13:40.23 | Snow | idiot:~# modprobe 3c59x |
| 13:40.23 | Snow | idiot:~# |
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| 13:40.25 | atp | hey folks, my gaim crashes constantly (i'm using etch on x86). the bugs are mostly of this type: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x086aafc0 *** although sometimes i get stuff about linked lists |
| 13:40.29 | bloodaxe | they have a bug in sarge version of kernel-package |
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| 13:40.34 | Snow | ;) |
| 13:40.39 | Snow | see asg |
| 13:40.42 | Snow | strage huh |
| 13:40.48 | peej | hellfire : good code should be pretty readable anyway. The comments should be sparse and tell you why rather than how it is done. IMHO. |
| 13:40.49 | grumpydog | eXistenZ, I am almost always here just idle sometimes... =) do you need help eXistenZ |
| 13:40.52 | atp | does anyone else have this problem? i can't seem to talk to anyone |
| 13:41.12 | hellfire | peej: ok. |
| 13:41.16 | eXistenZ | grumpydog, I'm looking for a ftp client which has a resume function |
| 13:41.22 | grumpydog | vsftp |
| 13:41.38 | cusco | lftp |
| 13:41.38 | hellfire | in fact its the selection-sort algorithm. |
| 13:41.41 | atp | yafc isn't bad either |
| 13:42.09 | grumpydog | eXistenZ, still got connection problems there? |
| 13:42.15 | eXistenZ | nope |
| 13:42.18 | eXistenZ | it's for my friend |
| 13:42.19 | eXistenZ | =) |
| 13:42.30 | grumpydog | ok so you should have np with vsftp |
| 13:42.38 | Snow | asg: o ideas |
| 13:42.39 | Snow | or grumpydog |
| 13:42.57 | Snow | insmod does't find it, and modprobe finds it, loads it, but I can't see eth1 |
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| 13:43.27 | hellfire | snow: how about a modprobe debug=1 options=0,,4 full_duplex=0,0,1 |
| 13:43.36 | grumpydog | Snow, hang on a sec I am being pmed like hell |
| 13:44.44 | atp | it would be really awesome if someone could help me figure this out, i can't figure out what is causing these glib errors |
| 13:44.54 | hellfire | snow: did you look in the tail of your syslog or dmesg? |
| 13:44.54 | atp | i haven't been able to use gaim now for months |
| 13:45.04 | Snow | yeah, I can't see there anything new |
| 13:45.05 | Snow | ;] |
| 13:45.14 | hellfire | atp: google? |
| 13:45.31 | atp | hellfire: google returns nothing |
| 13:45.38 | grumpydog | Snow so you modprobed it and no results |
| 13:45.48 | hellfire | atp: tried to compile gaim ? |
| 13:45.58 | peej | hellfire: standard stuff like that should probably be a subroutine anyway, It will probably be in a somewhat brainnumbing form 'cos it has been thought out already and elegantized for speed rather than readability. |
| 13:46.01 | atp | hellfire: i tried looking at bugs.debian.org but the site won't let me connect |
| 13:46.05 | Snow | yes |
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| 13:46.16 | atp | hellfire: i think it's busy... i haven't tried recompiling gaim |
| 13:46.48 | grumpydog | snow the device is not connected or a latency device. |
| 13:46.53 | jpipkin_away | atp:: What's it say when you try to start it from an xterm? |
| 13:47.09 | hellfire | peej: yeah, youre right. the compacted jears of thinking into two lines of code. |
| 13:47.09 | cusco | atp: http://www.google.pt/search?hl=pt-PT&q=glibc+detected++free%28%29%3A+invalid+pointer&meta= |
| 13:47.19 | atp | jpipkin_away: it says nothing, until it crashes, when it typically says *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x086aafc0 *** |
| 13:47.21 | hellfire | peej: s/the/they |
| 13:47.47 | atp | jpipkin: or something about doubly linked lists... it's almost always a pointer error |
| 13:47.54 | hellfire | atp: ->cusco |
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| 13:48.39 | atp | hellfire, cusco: that's great, unfortunately it's a very generic error, and those hits don't seem to be gaim related |
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| 13:49.06 | jpipkin | eh, recompile. |
| 13:49.24 | atp | i have a vague suspicion that it's related to my input method software |
| 13:49.31 | atp | SCIM |
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| 13:49.39 | atp | the crashes normally happen when i try to type chinese |
| 13:50.07 | jpipkin | Maybe glibc isn't finding its locale files or such. |
| 13:50.41 | atp | well, normally the calls that set up locales happen at program invocation, not when the user is typing |
| 13:51.03 | atp | and i would imagine that would be a common enough occurence that it would fail gracefully, not abort, but that's just speculation |
| 13:51.12 | jpipkin | Agreed. |
| 13:51.30 | [Elvis] | what should I install to install xfree86? |
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| 13:51.43 | jpipkin | Have you tried using another input method? |
| 13:51.52 | grumpydog | atp you can crash a box with [xyw2!$£)^%] |
| 13:52.04 | hellfire | atp: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=292026. |
| 13:52.05 | asg | Snow: which kernel version are your running? |
| 13:52.17 | hellfire | atp: replace openoffice with gaim, maybe this helps. |
| 13:52.30 | [Elvis] | what's the difference between x-window-system-core and x-window-system? |
| 13:52.36 | grumpydog | asg I do not think that is SNows problem. |
| 13:52.47 | atp | jpipkin: i've considered it, unfortunately most chinese input methods are tailored for zh_CN locales, but i use en_US.utf-8 |
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| 13:52.49 | mrverbose | hat jemand von euch sarge installiert und kann mir sagen, welche udev version da momementan aktuell ist? |
| 13:52.57 | mrverbose | ookls |
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| 13:53.00 | mrverbose | ooops |
| 13:53.02 | jpipkin | mm, I see. |
| 13:53.03 | asg | grumpydog: well, fundamentally, the kernel doesn't recognize his card. |
| 13:53.03 | mrverbose | wrong language |
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| 13:53.23 | grumpydog | asg it is an old card if you ask me |
| 13:53.23 | hellfire | mrverbose: im having sarge. |
| 13:53.31 | jetscreamer | [Elvis]: more packages |
| 13:53.39 | hellfire | mrverbose: if you tell me where to look i'll tell you. |
| 13:53.41 | mrverbose | anybody arround with sarge who would tell me what version udev is? |
| 13:53.42 | jetscreamer | 'all you need' is the -core |
| 13:53.43 | asg | grumpydog: right, it should be supported |
| 13:53.50 | jetscreamer | i always get the whole thing though |
| 13:53.52 | grumpydog | mrverbose, das ist richtig |
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| 13:54.05 | mrverbose | hellfire: dpkg -l udev |
| 13:54.15 | grumpydog | asg if you can help fire away |
| 13:54.16 | [Elvis] | so jetscreamer what should I install for xfree86? |
| 13:54.30 | Ace2005 | how do i set up internet connection sharing, i read this, "pppd to the ISP with dynamic IPadress, kernel 2.2 + 2 lines ipchains forwards & masquerades IP from the ethernet to the laptop. pppd asks the ISP for the DNS adresses, hands them to dnrd being the DNS server for the WinDozes." |
| 13:54.35 | hellfire | mrverbose: udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon |
| 13:54.35 | asg | grumpydog: I've basically run through all my troubleshooting ideas, I'm afraid. |
| 13:54.52 | Ace2005 | i just have 2 computers with a crossover cabl connecting them |
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| 13:55.02 | mrverbose | hellfire: hm. that could be a problem with modern kernels, right= |
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| 13:55.06 | grumpydog | asg same here |
| 13:55.22 | jetscreamer | [Elvis]: if it was me i'd jsut apt-get install x-window-system (add gnome or kde or something... THAT makes a LOT of kruft though) |
| 13:55.27 | hellfire | mrverbose: how modern? |
| 13:55.34 | mrverbose | 2.6.14+ |
| 13:55.38 | hellfire | uname -a |
| 13:55.41 | hellfire | ups |
| 13:55.49 | jetscreamer | gnome-core or kde-something might be better |
| 13:55.54 | jetscreamer | gnome-desktop |
| 13:56.01 | mrverbose | afair some since some version the kernel works ony with udev > 0.72 or so |
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| 13:56.04 | hellfire | mrverbose: well im running a 2.6.8 and im not experiencing no problems |
| 13:56.10 | loxley | [Elvis]: get core first, if you install a window manager that depends on x-window-system it will tell you |
| 13:56.31 | jetscreamer | actually, twm rocks and all you need :) |
| 13:56.32 | mrverbose | hellfire: not modern enough for my hardware unfortunately |
| 13:56.50 | mrverbose | jetscreamer: i'd rather prefer something more handy like fluxbox or icewm |
| 13:56.58 | rambo3 | kill -9 should kill process ? |
| 13:57.04 | hellfire | mrverbose: oh. |
| 13:57.12 | jetscreamer | i wind up doing it all from the console anyway |
| 13:57.12 | hellfire | yeah rambo: shoot the process! |
| 13:57.17 | jetscreamer | err xterm |
| 13:57.25 | jetscreamer | tilda! |
| 13:57.32 | grumpydog | mrec, ewww flux box do you really want to tax your system so it looks good? |
| 13:57.43 | jpipkin | heh |
| 13:57.49 | jetscreamer | *.box isn't resource intensive i hear |
| 13:57.51 | grumpydog | mrverbose, , ewww flux box do you really want to tax your system so it looks good? |
| 13:57.51 | jpipkin | Flux runs lights than wmaker. |
| 13:57.52 | mrverbose | hellfire: the laptop i want it to run on needs a state-of-the-art kernel unfortunately |
| 13:57.54 | rambo3 | 6473 ? 00:00:00 usb-storage ; trying to unmount it but its busy, kill -9 6473 doesnt work |
| 13:58.01 | asg | grumpydog: you still running twm? |
| 13:58.12 | grumpydog | asg no |
| 13:58.22 | mrverbose | grumpydog: yes, twm may be enough for a mediaplayer, but so is directfb |
| 13:58.25 | jetscreamer | *.box, icewm, xfce4 ... twm... |
| 13:58.27 | asg | grumpydog: fvwm2? |
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| 13:58.59 | hellfire | hellfire: i don't seem to exactly understand the problem. is the problem the kernel version or the udev version? |
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| 13:59.19 | grumpydog | asg fvwm2 yes |
| 13:59.23 | mrverbose | i guess that laptop needs testing after all :( |
| 13:59.47 | hellfire | what brand/make is it? |
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| 14:00.13 | mrverbose | hellfire: acer travelmate 290 (its already 2 years old) |
| 14:00.25 | mrverbose | and yet proper linux support came in with the latest kernel versions |
| 14:00.30 | hellfire | mrverbose: did you check out www.tuxmobile.org |
| 14:00.32 | atp | everytime i dist-upgrade, udev is held back. but dpkg --get-selections udev says it's scheduled for installation. how can i force it to upgrade? |
| 14:01.04 | azeem | atp: apt-get install udev |
| 14:01.10 | hellfire | atp: theres an option in apt-get to ignore holds. |
| 14:01.30 | hellfire | or in dpkg. |
| 14:01.42 | mrverbose | hellfire: that stuff all works now, but i have checked all kernel versions over the last months, very important things are now included, but havent been in 2.6.8 |
| 14:01.49 | atp | azeem, hellfire: thanks. |
| 14:01.53 | Ace2005 | Can anyone help me set up internet connection sharing between 2 computer, connected via a crossover cable? |
| 14:02.33 | jpipkin | Ace2005: There's a very good how-to on tldp.org concerning setting up a Linux router via iptables which will allow you to do that. |
| 14:02.55 | Ace2005 | jpipkin: thanks i'll have a look at that |
| 14:03.20 | hellfire | ace2005: you want to share files between the computers |
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| 14:03.27 | hellfire | ace2005: ? |
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| 14:03.56 | kirik | Hello! I am not getting anti-aliased font display in KDE in Sarge... any package I missed installing? |
| 14:03.59 | Ace2005 | hellfire: yes |
| 14:04.06 | Ace2005 | hellfire: no |
| 14:04.10 | jpipkin | heh. |
| 14:04.13 | Ace2005 | hellfire: don't want to share files |
| 14:04.18 | hellfire | ace2005: im confused, |
| 14:04.33 | jpipkin | He wants a router. |
| 14:04.34 | kirik | smooth fonts like I used to get in fedora |
| 14:04.37 | Ace2005 | hellfire: just internet connection sharing |
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| 14:04.46 | madbull_ | anyone have any expereince setting up vlans on debian? |
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| 14:04.56 | hellfire | ace2005: ah. yes then the hint with iptables is right i think. |
| 14:05.41 | kirik | ? |
| 14:05.53 | jpipkin | haha |
| 14:06.04 | loxley | madbull_: yes, i tried on a sunfire x2100 server at work last friday.. but i didnt manage very well, will try to solve it on monday :) |
| 14:06.07 | jpipkin | kirik: There's an option somewhere in kcontrol for that. |
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| 14:06.28 | jpipkin | kirik: probably under "fonts" or such. Can't remember and in Gnome right now. |
| 14:06.31 | loxley | madbull_: will be using it for a bgp router |
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| 14:06.32 | kirik | and I am not getting docs for KDE apps like arson/kaudiocreator... which package? is it non-free? |
| 14:06.43 | kirik | jpipkin: thanks |
| 14:07.08 | jpipkin | np |
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| 14:07.46 | loxley | madbull_: i guess you need the 8021q module at first and install the vlan package |
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| 14:10.18 | Fish-Face | Is there a site detailing where to get info on what's in the various CDs? |
| 14:10.30 | Fish-Face | I am NOT downloading 12 CDs when I presumably only need a few :) |
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| 14:10.44 | hellfire | fish-face: how about a net-install? |
| 14:10.51 | azeem | Fish-Face: yes, on cdimage.debian.org |
| 14:11.03 | Fish-Face | I need to have a network card that works in that case |
| 14:11.08 | azeem | Fish-Face: if you have internet connection, just the first (or a netinstall ISO) will suffice |
| 14:11.14 | Fish-Face | In the past I've always had to compile a driver |
| 14:11.19 | Ace2005 | ok i give up on internet connection sharing, how about a proxy program which will let only programs from 192.168.0.2 access it? |
| 14:11.33 | Fish-Face | which requires whichever CD has make and gcc on it |
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| 14:12.27 | asg | Fish-Face: also, /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 14:12.27 | hellfire | fish-face: what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 14:12.51 | Fish-Face | hellfire, 2MB down, but I need to know the connection will function |
| 14:13.12 | azeem | Fish-Face: then get the first ISO, I'd say |
| 14:13.22 | Fish-Face | azeem, does the first ISO have make on it? |
| 14:13.53 | hellfire | well: you could try to download the netinstall iso and boot from it. it will try to detect your network adapter and to configure it via dhcp. |
| 14:14.03 | hellfire | s/well:/fish-face/ |
| 14:14.07 | Fish-Face | yes, apparently |
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| 14:15.41 | Fish-Face | well, unlike some distros, it looks like make IS on the first CD |
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| 14:15.50 | Fish-Face | so I'll be able to go with that |
| 14:15.56 | Fish-Face | (I've already downloaded the first ISO) |
| 14:16.06 | kirik | hi, what package do I need to install to get help pages of kde applications? |
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| 14:19.15 | darkangel | hi, i've just builded a rootfs through buildroot, but when i try executing one of the builded binaries i get the following answer: |
| 14:19.26 | darkangel | Vortex:/tmp# ./chroot |
| 14:19.26 | darkangel | bash: ./chroot: No such file or directory |
| 14:19.26 | darkangel | Vortex:/tmp# file ./chroot |
| 14:19.26 | darkangel | ./chroot: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 14:19.44 | darkangel | any idea? |
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| 14:20.42 | loxley | kirik: apt-cache search kde | grep help maybe? |
| 14:20.47 | jpipkin | darkangel: You're probably missing shared libs which bash (or whichever shell you have in your chroot environ) is linked against. |
| 14:21.18 | lakcaj | quick question, maybe someone here might know. I'd like to download all the images from http://www.designhotel.com/images/ but I can't navigate that directory in a browser. Any ideas? |
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| 14:21.39 | hellfire | kirik: there are several packages like kdedu-doc-html or kdegames-doc-html depends on which kind of application. |
| 14:21.50 | hellfire | lakcaj: man wget |
| 14:21.56 | bizkit | lakcaj: no way, get the page that indexes the images and use wget to follow the links into a certain depth |
| 14:22.11 | darkangel | jpipkin: yes, but in that case i don't have an ENOENT from exec, right? |
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| 14:22.30 | jpipkin | darkangel: That's over my head I'm thinking. |
| 14:22.30 | lakcaj | bizkit: ok, I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that. The images are linked from almost as many pages as there are images. |
| 14:22.49 | jpipkin | darkangel: I know that's a common reason for that error, though. It's worth looking at. |
| 14:23.02 | hellfire | what kind of webserver is it brand/version ? |
| 14:23.09 | hellfire | @ lakcaj |
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| 14:23.50 | lakcaj | hellfire, no idea. I just really like alot of the images they have for their hotels, and I wanted to grab them all for ideas later when I (hopefully) build my house. |
| 14:24.03 | bizkit | lakcaj: if the image names are, like random names, there's no better way.. you can script around wget to be more precise and in man wget there are options to only download certain types of files, so you can almost filter on images.. |
| 14:24.06 | hellfire | lakcaj: cool |
| 14:24.24 | jpipkin | It's Apache. |
| 14:24.24 | lakcaj | ok, thanks guys |
| 14:24.36 | jpipkin | Can't tell what version, though. |
| 14:25.16 | hellfire | jpipkin: that question went to lakcaj. i dont know which webserver you mean? |
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| 14:25.32 | jpipkin | hellfire: I know, but he didn't know, so I checked. |
| 14:25.39 | lakcaj | :) |
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| 14:25.49 | hellfire | there is a bug in some of the apache servers, |
| 14:26.05 | jak | Hello. Why does my debian box purport to have gcc 4.0.3, when only 4.0.2 is officially released? |
| 14:26.13 | hellfire | which allows to add a ?S=N of ?S=A to get the directory listing even when not allowed. |
| 14:26.22 | Fish-Face | OK, it looks like cdrecord has an interesting definition of speed... |
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| 14:26.52 | hellfire | s/of/or/ |
| 14:26.59 | jpipkin | The only thing in www.designhotel.com/images which wget can get to is content.php |
| 14:27.21 | jpipkin | It'd be fun hacking up a script to achieve the desired results :-/ |
| 14:27.24 | madbull_ | loxley: i've got the vlan package installed |
| 14:27.24 | asg | jak: which repository does 'apt-cache policy gcc' say the 4.0.3 version is coming from? |
| 14:27.32 | jpipkin | s/fun/masochistic |
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| 14:27.37 | madbull_ | tried using vconfig and /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 14:27.52 | madbull_ | got my nic plugged into a vlan capable switch |
| 14:27.55 | jak | asg, unstable/main |
| 14:27.56 | madbull_ | 4 vlans tagged on the switch port |
| 14:28.06 | madbull_ | and trying to tag them on my NIC |
| 14:28.12 | jak | asg, I think I understand now |
| 14:28.17 | madbull_ | but doesn't seem to be working |
| 14:29.04 | hellfire | lakcaj: google -> image search "site:designhotel.com" ? |
| 14:29.06 | asg | jak: the diff between the package version and the one reported by gcc -v |
| 14:29.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:29.13 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:29.20 | amee2k | how can i list what files are part of an (installed) package? |
| 14:29.32 | asg | amee2k: dpkg -L |
| 14:30.00 | hellfire | lakcaj: hehe, even google cant index it. |
| 14:30.25 | hellfire | amee2k: dpkg -L |
| 14:30.26 | amee2k | ty :) |
| 14:30.56 | ravehanker | Hello, my xmms is not able to play with ALSA, when initially, it looks like some process has locked /dev/dsp, but when i kill the process, xmms works fine but then there are no system sounds now...how do i solve this? |
| 14:31.07 | jetscreamer | hey wtf does echo "false" do, in reference to the nodm factoid. i get " bash: /etc/X11/default-display-manager: Permission denied " and that's with sudo |
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| 14:31.59 | hellfire | echo "false" does: |
| 14:32.01 | hellfire | false |
| 14:32.10 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 14:32.10 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:32.28 | asg | jetscreamer: you have to do it as root, of course |
| 14:32.37 | jetscreamer | sudo doesn't cut it you say |
| 14:32.41 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 14:32.56 | asg | jetscreamer: sudo can sometimes be problematic doing redirection and other things |
| 14:33.35 | jetscreamer | yeah it worked 'as' root |
| 14:33.42 | jetscreamer | !asg++ |
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| 14:34.40 | jetscreamer | how would you echo nothing... ie, when you were done the file would be empty, 0b in size |
| 14:35.06 | jetscreamer | > "" ? |
| 14:35.11 | asg | jetscreamer: touch foo |
| 14:35.19 | hellfire | echo "" > ... |
| 14:35.28 | bbrazil | jetscreamer: echo -n |
| 14:35.31 | asg | jetscreamer: to truncate a file, use '> file' |
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| 14:36.07 | asg | !cakebutt |
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| 14:36.21 | hellfire | asg: thats cool: '> file' didnt know that. |
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| 14:36.38 | jetscreamer | -n did it |
| 14:36.58 | asg | hellfire: yeah, there's all sorts of nifty shell tricks |
| 14:37.10 | jpipkin | true. |
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| 14:37.25 | asg | hellfire: the Bash FAQ at wooledge.org has some useful stuff. |
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| 14:37.46 | hellfire | asg: cool! |
| 14:37.49 | jetscreamer | truncate means cut off short, to me, but what did 'you' mean ? |
| 14:37.59 | jetscreamer | it cuts it all off? |
| 14:38.03 | asg | jetscreamer: yes |
| 14:38.04 | jpipkin | as does the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide at tldp.org |
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| 14:38.14 | asg | hellfire: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq (full URL) |
| 14:38.16 | jetscreamer | ah cool thx |
| 14:38.46 | asg | jetscreamer: I use '> file' to quickly take care of runaway logfiles |
| 14:39.03 | xmaster | hi everyone |
| 14:39.21 | jetscreamer | > blah worked like echo -n cool |
| 14:39.24 | xmaster | i got a problem tih my i810 onboard graphics card |
| 14:39.40 | hellfire | ive been working with linux for quite a while, and i always did everything in perl, until lately i stepped by a book in our library with the title: BASH. since then i'm so fascinated what the bash can do! |
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| 14:39.53 | xmaster | when quoke3 starts running appears a black screen and i can't do anything |
| 14:40.00 | jpipkin | perl scares me. |
| 14:40.09 | hellfire | jpipkin: why? |
| 14:40.10 | asg | hellfire: O'Reilly's Classic Shell Scripting book has some cool stuff in it also |
| 14:40.12 | jetscreamer | xmaster: start it from an xterm, you get more error information |
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| 14:40.38 | hellfire | asg: yeah. o'reilley books are a good resource. |
| 14:40.46 | jpipkin | hellfire: It's more a joke than anything. Perl's a complex beast and I don't have much of a need for it, and I definitely don't have time to learn it. :) |
| 14:40.59 | jpipkin | At least, complex most of the time. regexp and whatnot. |
| 14:41.30 | hellfire | jpipkin: yes. i mostly use it for rwegexp stuff. |
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| 14:41.58 | xmaster | no error |
| 14:41.58 | xmaster | game is running |
| 14:41.59 | xmaster | but screen empty |
| 14:41.59 | xmaster | i hear game sound |
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| 14:42.00 | hellfire | jpipkin: i have to try 78364587 times until my regexp expression is doing what i want. |
| 14:42.21 | jpipkin | hellfire: I know that feeling... that's always my experience with regexp. :) |
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| 14:43.10 | [Elvis] | I have some problems while installing XML::Twig giving me a lot of errors in perl |
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| 14:43.48 | hellfire | oh damn. my kalarm is forcing me to to some learning. jpipkin, asg, tx. CUALL |
| 14:44.06 | jpipkin | peace. |
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| 14:44.41 | xmaster | jetscreamer: i hear the sound but screen is blank |
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| 14:44.48 | ravehanker | how do i run the initrd alsa script to: alsa stop and alsa restart; it maybe alsa unload and alsa load |
| 14:45.07 | jpipkin | /etc/init.d/alsa stop ? |
| 14:45.13 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/alsa <action> |
| 14:45.25 | alamar | *g* |
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| 14:48.05 | [Elvis] | hmm is there any way to find out what packages have changed in the last 2 weeks? |
| 14:48.15 | [Elvis] | in the stable release netinst ? |
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| 14:49.03 | jetscreamer | [Elvis]: probably none |
| 14:49.18 | jetscreamer | [Elvis]: the etch beta installer is another story though |
| 14:49.29 | jetscreamer | xmaster: not sure what to tell you |
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| 14:49.56 | jetscreamer | [Elvis]: there is a changelog on ... (one sec) |
| 14:50.01 | [Elvis] | well jetscreamer that's what I thought...you see...I installed my system 2 weeks ago without problems...and I wanted to reinstall yesterday...and suddenly I get all these errors |
| 14:50.19 | [Elvis] | so was wondering if perl CPAN had changed |
| 14:50.20 | tchino | with which tool can i connect an usb-printer at debian like yast by suse or harddrake by mandrake |
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| 14:50.25 | [Elvis] | or something in that sort |
| 14:51.31 | kaleid | I have a problem when unmounting cd's from konqueror |
| 14:51.40 | kaleid | cannot eject |
| 14:51.43 | jetscreamer | under http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ somewhere |
| 14:52.21 | kaleid | any suggestions? |
| 14:52.23 | jpipkin | They're probably not unmounting, then. |
| 14:52.44 | jetscreamer | type mount in an xterm to check |
| 14:52.58 | jetscreamer | also try lsof |
| 14:53.04 | kaleid | ok...1 seg |
| 14:53.10 | jetscreamer | and see if something has something on the cd open |
| 14:53.36 | jpipkin | And if all else fails: umount -l /dev/cdrom && eject /dev/cdrom |
| 14:53.43 | kaleid | can un give me a second? i'm om gnome right now :s |
| 14:53.53 | jetscreamer | gnome-terminal |
| 14:53.58 | kaleid | ok |
| 14:54.08 | jpipkin | Or start a second X server. |
| 14:54.34 | jetscreamer | damn i need to hook this windows box up so i can fix it (and get paid for it) |
| 14:54.46 | jpipkin | Fix? Windows? |
| 14:54.48 | jpipkin | pfft. |
| 14:54.49 | kaleid | lsof give me a lot of values |
| 14:54.53 | jetscreamer | yeah for money |
| 14:54.58 | dvs | jetscreamer: I'm glad you added the part "and get paid for it" ;-) |
| 14:55.14 | jetscreamer | lsof | grep -i cdrom (or something) |
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| 14:55.44 | jetscreamer | well yeah in this chan i better be getting paid or keep my fingers off the kb |
| 14:55.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:55.59 | kalkran | har har... ;) |
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| 14:56.14 | jpipkin | It's not even worth it when one *is* getting paid. :( |
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| 14:56.22 | tchino | which connect do i have set by turboprint, when i have an usb-printer |
| 14:56.30 | ronove | kalkran, lol |
| 14:56.31 | tchino | like /dev/... |
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| 14:56.54 | [Elvis] | can anoyne tell me what bundle::CPAN exactly is...is it a bundle of modules or? |
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| 14:57.18 | kaleid | oh no! |
| 14:57.26 | kaleid | look at this! |
| 14:57.27 | kaleid | http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=eject |
| 14:57.37 | drivamgr2006 | [Elvis]: i think CPAN is a place where you can shitloads of miscellaneous perl modules |
| 14:57.58 | asg | [Elvis]: Don't use CPAN with Debian as it will break things. Most modules have been packaged (apt-cache search Module::Foo) or can easily be packaged with dh-make-perl |
| 14:58.00 | kalkran | I'm out.. Baseball practice... |
| 14:58.04 | drivamgr2006 | bundle::CPAN I assume is a bundles pack of perl mods from CPAN... |
| 14:58.05 | alamar | hf |
| 14:58.16 | kalkran | ty |
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| 14:58.39 | hyksos | hi, on my desktop and all programs i got a font which is good to read ( something like arial, and size 13) , but when i open gnucash it only got very tiny fonts, size i think is 5. From where does gnucash got its font-info? |
| 14:58.41 | tchino | nobody an idea?! |
| 14:58.59 | [Elvis] | hmm asg I would love to not use it..but the installation manual of mythtv says I should...and I sort of speak don't know how to do it differently |
| 14:59.16 | jetscreamer | tchino: linuxprinting.org maybe |
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| 14:59.58 | asg | [Elvis]: marillat apparently already has mythtv package. /msg dpkg marillat, /msg dpkg mythtv |
| 15:00.16 | [Elvis] | yeah but not for stable :I( |
| 15:00.18 | tchino | jetscreamer: but which device, i had set in turboprint, when i have an usb-printer? /dev/sa1 or /dev/usb/lp0 |
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| 15:01.35 | asg | [Elvis]: okay, if you know which perl modules are needed, see if Debian doesn't already have them. |
| 15:01.38 | jetscreamer | tchino: i have an unsupported_iin_linux usbprinter... i wouldn think the usb/lp0 one though (check dmesg, mine is detected as that iirc) |
| 15:01.56 | jetscreamer | but i don't know |
| 15:02.06 | [Elvis] | well asg http://home.planet.nl/~verberk/error.txt basically is the problem |
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| 15:02.32 | [Elvis] | it has either something to do with qt3 or perl modules.. |
| 15:03.09 | tchino | jetscreamer: USB Mass Storage device found at 2 |
| 15:03.10 | jetscreamer | tchino: i don't know if this helps/applies, but in cups i have better luck using the mc:par:blah (or so i forget exactly) |
| 15:03.34 | [Elvis] | any ideas asg? |
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| 15:03.49 | tchino | jetscreamer: how can i set it on the browser: how is url? http... |
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| 15:04.26 | jaroug | hi |
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| 15:04.42 | tchino | jetscreamer: lsusb -> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04a9:170a Canon, Inc. |
| 15:04.43 | asg | [Elvis]: looks like the mythtv library is trying to use some QT functions. It is possible that the QT libs on sarge are older and don't have those. I don't know for sure, I've never used KDE or QT personally. You might try posting to the debian-user mailing list. |
| 15:04.48 | HugLeo | yu |
| 15:05.12 | tchino | how is url in browser of cups? (http:/localhost:??? |
| 15:05.21 | bbrazil | tchino: 631 |
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| 15:06.44 | asg | [Elvis]: http://www.slg.org/index.cgi?MythTV (Seems to be relatively comprehensive for installing MythTV on Sarge) |
| 15:06.55 | drewc | how can i remount a filesystem that has become read-only without taking the system down? |
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| 15:06.59 | [Elvis] | thank you asg |
| 15:07.03 | asg | drewc: mount -o remount,rw /foo |
| 15:07.32 | tchino | bbrazil: do you know the right device of an usb-printer? lsusb gives the message: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04a9:170a Canon, Inc. |
| 15:07.54 | jaroug | my mother board chipset is nforce2, and i can't enable dma for my disk (HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted), but the good module is loaded (i think it's amd74xx) (my kernel is 2.6.15-1-k7) an idea ? |
| 15:08.06 | [Elvis] | ah I think I see the problem asg :P |
| 15:08.17 | asg | [Elvis]: cool, hope that helps you get it going |
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| 15:08.46 | k31th | outta interest for a desktop machine... do you guys use debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 15:09.14 | k31th | i use debian for all my servers etc at work now. Need some thing for a few desktop machines |
| 15:09.35 | ft | arrg, he said the 'u'-word.... |
| 15:09.44 | k31th | ft sorry :D |
| 15:10.00 | asg | k31th: I've used Debian as a desktop for years; it depends, though, on what *you* expect from a desktop. |
| 15:10.16 | drewc | asg: mount: / not mounted already, or bad option |
| 15:10.16 | drewc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.24 | k31th | asg: iv always used it in the passed |
| 15:10.30 | sylvisj | Oh man |
| 15:10.32 | k31th | or gentoo |
| 15:10.47 | drewc | asg: it is the root filesystem :| |
| 15:10.48 | kspath | !gentoosmite k31th |
| 15:10.51 | asg | drewc: for 'mount -o remount,rw /' ? |
| 15:10.54 | sylvisj | I just got an Audigy... it kicks the ass of my old SB Live! 1024(CT4830)... so much better on sound quality |
| 15:11.04 | k31th | kspath: ha ha ha |
| 15:11.07 | sylvisj | Even in windows, where the 4830 wouldn't work and I had to use onboard |
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| 15:11.34 | Q-FUNK | does Debian have any script to refresh the module preload list in the initrd.img of all kernels found in /boot ? |
| 15:11.36 | jetscreamer | k31th: i like etch for desktops |
| 15:11.45 | drewc | asg: yeah (!?) |
| 15:11.51 | k31th | jetscreamer: etch ? |
| 15:11.56 | asg | drewc: and you are running that as root? |
| 15:11.59 | jetscreamer | k31th: your users may like ubuntu better |
| 15:12.05 | drewc | asg: you bet. |
| 15:12.14 | jetscreamer | k31th: etch, testing... like sarge/stable sid/unstable |
| 15:12.17 | asg | drewc: what debian version are you running? |
| 15:12.24 | k31th | jetscreamer: its possible. maybe i should try both |
| 15:12.37 | drewc | asg: sarge |
| 15:12.37 | jetscreamer | k31th: yeah usually best |
| 15:12.45 | sylvisj | <3 my Etch install |
| 15:12.51 | sylvisj | I'm on it now :P It replaced windows. |
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| 15:13.07 | jetscreamer | k31th: but in a multiuser env i might not go etch |
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| 15:13.14 | jetscreamer | infact probably not |
| 15:13.19 | sylvisj | Just for the learning experience, I'm gonna put Gentoo on the now blank windows partition |
| 15:13.24 | Amarande | Yay, finally up in Debian :) |
| 15:13.26 | k31th | yeah im getting rid of all my windows boxes at home at, just having a small xp part to boot stuff that wont run in nix |
| 15:13.26 | jetscreamer | nothing i'd have to fix for them |
| 15:13.29 | asg | drewc: odd. What does 'mount /' say? |
| 15:13.31 | sylvisj | Amarande: Congrats :D |
| 15:13.35 | Amarande | Still a few things to work out here and there, though. |
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| 15:13.44 | sylvisj | Stable or Etch? |
| 15:13.44 | Amarande | It seems to not be detecting my sound card, for one. |
| 15:13.49 | Amarande | Stable, using Etch's kernel. |
| 15:13.54 | sylvisj | Bleh. What sound card? |
| 15:14.00 | jaroug | nobody have an idea for my problem ? |
| 15:14.01 | Amarande | I may build a 2.6.14 kernel package though, once I figure out how to build a proper kernel package. |
| 15:14.09 | drewc | asg: mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or / busy |
| 15:14.09 | drewc | mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on / |
| 15:14.10 | drewc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.13 | Amarande | Turtle Beach Riviera. |
| 15:14.15 | sylvisj | Amarande: Careful - 2.6.13+ breaks devfs |
| 15:14.20 | jetscreamer | building kernels is easy with make-kpkg |
| 15:14.28 | jetscreamer | but ^^ |
| 15:14.29 | epsilon | Amarande: why dont you your own with kernel.org source |
| 15:14.32 | Amarande | From what I remember in Knoppix, the Linux name is CM and four digits. |
| 15:14.44 | sylvisj | Amarande: Sound cards usually are. |
| 15:14.55 | asg | drewc: very strange indeed. |
| 15:14.58 | sylvisj | See if it's listed in www.alsa-project.org's database |
| 15:15.06 | Amarande | epsilon: I was just thinking I ought to build it in such a way as to be able to manage the image and modules via dpkg. |
| 15:15.11 | drewc | asg: no kidding. |
| 15:15.23 | jetscreamer | my very old turtle beach montego uses the snd_vortex |
| 15:15.25 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 15:15.32 | Amarande | also, someone mentioned the ATI X server is in sid now? |
| 15:15.32 | sylvisj | ^^ Audigy ftw |
| 15:15.36 | jetscreamer | but that's probably not you |
| 15:15.49 | sylvisj | Man it was so easy to set up compared to the other Creative cards I've installed... even without a cd |
| 15:15.50 | Amarande | Can I just get the package from sid and install it without needing to drag a bunch of other unstable sid stuff with me? |
| 15:15.54 | asg | drewc: you might have to do a reboot to make sure the filesystem is fully checked. I've never seen 'mount -o remount,rw /' fail so something maybe really broken. |
| 15:16.02 | sylvisj | Amarande: 10 to 1, no. |
| 15:16.17 | Amarande | Here's something curious, too. |
| 15:16.17 | sylvisj | Amarande: Usually everything in Testing or Unstable needs the libs from the respective distros. |
| 15:16.27 | Amarande | It says I only have about 885MB of memory. |
| 15:16.31 | Amarande | When I actually have 1536MB. |
| 15:16.33 | Amarande | Kernel limitation? |
| 15:16.37 | zinx | Amar: yes |
| 15:16.46 | Amarande | Or is resource manager not telling me about memory used for certain things? |
| 15:16.47 | zinx | Amar: you need some other options |
| 15:17.07 | zinx | there's several choices which will work |
| 15:17.12 | jetscreamer | how much can a tapedrive hold (yes i know it depends) |
| 15:17.12 | Amarande | I know it's not a bad DIMM, since memtest passed it and knoppix knew about it. |
| 15:17.21 | sylvisj | Amarande: I'd try reinstalling from Etch - might have better luck with your sound, and will have access to a lot more up-to-date packages. I haven't had any problems with Etch as far as things breaking. |
| 15:17.43 | Amarande | zinx: Lemme guess. Kernel needs to be compiled with specific support for more than 1GB of memory? |
| 15:17.56 | jetscreamer | great i just opened up an ff instance and it said it's still running... can't tell, but ok. |
| 15:18.25 | jetscreamer | Amarande: yes but the default is already 4gb |
| 15:18.32 | jetscreamer | so unless you changed it |
| 15:19.03 | Amarande | jetscreamer: then why is it telling me I have a total of 885MB of memory? |
| 15:19.22 | Amarande | Hardware instabilities can be ruled out, as they're not consistent with memtest, and surely knoppix would have crashed. |
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| 15:19.40 | Amarande | As for the soundcard ... Dammit. |
| 15:19.47 | zinx | Amarande: indeed it does |
| 15:19.53 | jetscreamer | Amarande: i take it this isn't the buffers+cache where's my mem q |
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| 15:20.05 | Amarande | It's not on ALSA's list, though it does appear to be working (I do get the classic static if I cat /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp). |
| 15:20.17 | zinx | Amarande: are you using your own kernel? |
| 15:20.23 | Amarande | zinx: etch 2.6.12 kernel |
| 15:20.48 | Amarande | Ahh, is the cache memory not considered in the total memory in things like free and System Monitor? |
| 15:20.59 | Amarande | There was about 700MB listed as cached. |
| 15:21.04 | jetscreamer | buffers+cache==true free mem |
| 15:21.10 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 15:21.12 | zinx | Amarande: strange, grep /boot/config-2.6.12* for HIGHMEM |
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| 15:21.29 | xam | Amarande: nope, total memory is the total physically accessible memory |
| 15:21.29 | Amarande | Mem: 906588 259800 646788 0 12888 136120 |
| 15:21.30 | Amarande | -/+ buffers/cache: 110792 795796 |
| 15:21.48 | Amarande | Those are the two lines of numbers from free. |
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| 15:22.04 | xam | jetscreamer: certainly not |
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| 15:22.20 | Amarande | Not that I'm in danger of running out of memory with 10GB of swap, but ... I'd like to know where the rest of my RAM is. |
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| 15:22.33 | jetscreamer | 110792+795796==your memory |
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| 15:23.32 | xam | Amarande: the only thing which is consistent with your report is that the kernel is not running with HIMEM (1G-4G) support ... |
| 15:23.46 | Amarande | xam: any way to check that from a term? |
| 15:23.58 | xam | Amarande: see what zinx said |
| 15:24.28 | zinx | Amarande: (zinx) Amarande: strange, grep /boot/config-2.6.12* for HIGHMEM |
| 15:24.59 | zinx | Amarande: i.e., ''grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.12*'' |
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| 15:25.08 | rohan | hi all |
| 15:25.08 | Amarande | megami:/boot# grep HIGHMEM config-2.6.12* |
| 15:25.08 | Amarande | CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 15:25.18 | Amarande | Okay, why is that default? |
| 15:25.18 | xam | Amarande: there you go ... |
| 15:25.20 | rohan | how do i make a deb out of a kwin-decoration ? |
| 15:25.22 | Amarande | You'd think it would autocheck for that. |
| 15:25.27 | zinx | Amarande: heh.. try a kernel for your processor |
| 15:25.29 | rohan | i want a knifty deb |
| 15:25.30 | Amarande | I don't suppose I can change that setting on the fly, either. |
| 15:25.36 | zinx | Amarande: you're probably using the i386 kernel |
| 15:25.52 | jetscreamer | uname -r ? |
| 15:25.53 | Amarande | zinx: Yeah, looks like I'm going to have to build the kernel. |
| 15:25.58 | zinx | Amarande: No.. it changes the memory management.. allowing it on the fly would make it even _slower_ |
| 15:26.08 | zinx | Amarande: no |
| 15:26.13 | zinx | Amarande: you're probably using the i386 kernel |
| 15:26.20 | zinx | Amarande: grab one for your specific processor family |
| 15:26.33 | Amarande | Now if I can remember the right way to build the kernel so debian picks it up correctly for things like configuration modules and such. :) |
| 15:26.48 | zinx | Amarande: /m dpkg kernel-package? |
| 15:26.54 | Amarande | zinx: I considered amd64. But that's only in etch, and wouldn't games with linux versions fail to run under that? |
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| 15:27.26 | idis | hi, how do I do the udev way what my little hotplug mount/cp/rp/umount script did? |
| 15:27.27 | zinx | Amarande: if you're using the i386 distro, you can use the k7 kernel most likely |
| 15:27.49 | zinx | Amarande: i'm playing games on amd64 just fine though, fwiw |
| 15:28.04 | jetscreamer | my god it's much cheaper to jsut buy a new hd for backup than a tape drive |
| 15:28.11 | Amarande | basically, it just looked to me like amd64 had poor applications/drivers support compared to running in 32-bit mode. |
| 15:28.20 | zinx | ia32 emu in debian-amd64 is kind of dumb though |
| 15:28.36 | zinx | Amarande: you can run in 32-bit mode still :D |
| 15:28.43 | Amarande | hmm, can I build a k7 kernel package via this setup, or do I need to reinstall Debian with a k7 installer? |
| 15:28.52 | zinx | Amarande: you can run 32-bit apps with a 64-bit kernel, you just need the 32-bit libraries for them |
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| 15:29.17 | zinx | there's an ia32-libs package, but it doesn't have much, so most resort to a chrooted 32-bit install |
| 15:29.37 | Amarande | so I actually CAN simply build the amd64 kernel and run it without breaking things, then? |
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| 15:29.54 | zinx | Amarande: yeah, but don't quote me on it... keep the old kernel around ;) |
| 15:30.16 | zinx | Amarande: you can install the stock k7 kernel or build your own without reinstalling anything but the kernel |
| 15:30.25 | zinx | Amarande: which equates to an apt-get install or dpkg -i |
| 15:30.25 | Amarande | As for the soundcard, it seems I'm in that annoying well where the kernel supports it, but ALSA doesn't appear to list it. |
| 15:30.43 | zinx | Amarande: which sound card |
| 15:30.44 | mcm | i got a "E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1)" error while running "apt-get -u upgrade" |
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| 15:30.49 | mcm | what does it mean? |
| 15:30.54 | Amarande | Turtle Beach Riviera. |
| 15:31.13 | Amarande | I'm looking at lsmod here trying to puzzle out exactly which kernel driver is loaded. |
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| 15:31.27 | Amarande | *hopefully* ALSA at least tries to correspond their driver names with the kernel ones ... |
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| 15:31.45 | zinx | Amarande: looks like ALSA doesn't even know that card exists |
| 15:31.48 | zinx | Amarande: not really |
| 15:31.58 | zinx | Amarande: http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Turtle_Beach#matrix |
| 15:32.04 | Amarande | looks like the kernel being used is snd_cmipci |
| 15:32.18 | valdyn | Amarande: that is an alsa driver |
| 15:32.23 | zinx | yeah, it is |
| 15:32.44 | zinx | anything snd-* is alsa |
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| 15:32.57 | febo | hi |
| 15:33.15 | febo | I got error : GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time |
| 15:33.19 | febo | any helps ? |
| 15:33.34 | Amarande | Okay, if an ALSA driver is loaded, and kernel support can be confirmed (static test), then why isn't ALSA itself picking up on it? |
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| 15:33.38 | valdyn | febo: you just might want to tell us which proprietary binary gave that error |
| 15:33.44 | Amarande | Does ALSA have stricter standards than the kernel driver? |
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| 15:33.59 | zinx | Amarande: ALSA is the kernel driver. |
| 15:34.06 | valdyn | Amarande: you're obviously confused, alsa has been in 2.6 kernels for a long time. |
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| 15:34.13 | mirak | hi |
| 15:34.13 | zinx | Amarande: the old OSS/Free has been deprecated for quite some time |
| 15:34.16 | Amarande | valdyn: Then this is odd. |
| 15:34.22 | febo | it's e-commerce solution embedded one... |
| 15:34.25 | valdyn | Amarande: what is odd? |
| 15:34.34 | febo | I just try to solve it. |
| 15:34.35 | Amarande | Driver's loaded, card's clearly present and working, but ALSA claims no supported soundcards. |
| 15:34.38 | zinx | Amarande: check dmesg for messages about it |
| 15:34.43 | mirak | I amm try to know if there is a way to enable or disable TV OUT from ATI RADEON video cards at kernel boot |
| 15:34.46 | zinx | Amarande: the driver can load without the card being working |
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| 15:34.52 | mirak | anyone knows if it's possible ? |
| 15:34.56 | valdyn | Amarande: alsa is a whole bunch of things, it doesnt claim shit, so what is claiming what exactly |
| 15:35.00 | Amarande | I know when I was rebooting last time, it said something about no supported soundcards when it was shutting down ALSA. |
| 15:35.26 | zinx | Amarande: frequently audio cards these days have a chipset and a codec, and both have to be supported in that configuration for it to work |
| 15:35.42 | zinx | Amarande: oh |
| 15:35.45 | zinx | Amarande: try alsamixer. |
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| 15:36.00 | Amarande | alsamixer is showing something, too. |
| 15:36.06 | zinx | Amarande: something? |
| 15:36.11 | valdyn | Amarande: maybe you should _read_ the _complete_ error so we could tell you what it means, if it was on system startup then that was probably only referring to alsa being unable to load volume settings from where they get saved on shutdown |
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| 15:36.19 | Amarande | yah, now it's showing this: |
| 15:36.20 | zinx | Amarande: if alsamixer sees it, then it's working fine, despite what anything else is claiming |
| 15:36.24 | Amarande | Card: C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 ?? Chip: CMedia PCI |
| 15:36.39 | jpipkin | like: dmesg | grep -i alsa |
| 15:36.40 | zinx | Amarande: well, there you go, it's working |
| 15:36.54 | Amarande | Yeah, -there- we go. |
| 15:37.02 | Amarande | Stupid branding bogosity, it would seem. :) |
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| 15:37.15 | idis | hi, how do I do the udev/hal way what my little hotplug mount/cp/rp/umount script did? |
| 15:37.16 | Amarande | Too many manufacturers use the same chip and call it something different. |
| 15:37.26 | zinx | Amarande: it's worse with wireless cards |
| 15:37.29 | febo | so no idea ? |
| 15:37.31 | zinx | Amarande: far far worse |
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| 15:37.36 | visik7 | hi |
| 15:37.46 | visik7 | is there a /var/log/dpkg.log analyzer ? |
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| 15:38.05 | jpipkin | bash. |
| 15:38.13 | febo | lol |
| 15:38.18 | visik7 | ... |
| 15:38.20 | valdyn | febo: on which debian release are you seeing that error? |
| 15:38.29 | febo | testing |
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| 15:38.37 | jpipkin | sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 15:38.43 | valdyn | febo: and how old is that binary? |
| 15:38.50 | valdyn | !info libc6 woody |
| 15:38.54 | valdyn | !info libc6 etch |
| 15:38.56 | febo | binairies say should work on linux 2.4 and I got 2.6 |
| 15:38.57 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.8 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
| 15:39.02 | Amarande | So, stick with 2.6.12 sources or get the latest 2.6? |
| 15:39.04 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 15:39.11 | valdyn | febo: that error has nothing at all to do with your kernel version |
| 15:39.15 | febo | ldd give linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 15:39.15 | febo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.15 | febo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.47 | febo | al right ... that why I think incompatibility with glibc so what can I do ? |
| 15:39.52 | valdyn | febo: maybe ask your vendor why the fuck he's asking for GLIBC_2.0 |
| 15:39.56 | Amarande | 2.6.15.1 appears to be current. |
| 15:40.07 | Amarande | Actually I'm now wondering a bit about the kernel lately. |
| 15:40.11 | valdyn | Amarande: stick with the default |
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| 15:40.40 | febo | ok you right... but can I download older lib put it in /lib directory and test it ? |
| 15:40.43 | Amarande | There's all these fourth-level version ones (2.6.x.y), and no 2.7. |
| 15:40.43 | zinx | febo: install a chroot with woody in it |
| 15:40.51 | Amarande | No 2.7 doesn't look nice. Does this mean Linux is coming to an end? |
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| 15:41.01 | zinx | i believe the 2.0 compat still existed in 2.2.5 |
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| 15:41.09 | ezu5t | hi - apt is giving me this error : subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 15:41.10 | ezu5t | whenever I try to remove libapache-mod-perl. how can I get more detailed error messages about why this is happening? |
| 15:41.31 | zinx | Amarande: no, it means there's not going to be two split trees anymore |
| 15:41.31 | febo | humm |
| 15:41.43 | Amarande | zinx: great, how do you tell between testing and stable kernels then |
| 15:41.44 | rohan | how do i make knifty which is a kde window decor deb ? |
| 15:41.48 | zinx | Amarande: there were some rather large discussions about it |
| 15:41.49 | rohan | anyone has it made, for sid ? |
| 15:41.59 | zinx | Amarande: they're all testing :D |
| 15:42.07 | abrotman | Amarande: go read at kerneltrap.org .. or on slashdot .. it's been discussed numerous times |
| 15:42.09 | febo | ok chroot testing it woody ok why not... I m gone do that |
| 15:42.11 | valdyn | zinx: how would that package be called? libc6-compat ? |
| 15:42.35 | zinx | valdyn: no |
| 15:42.46 | kristalino | what is the default login/password for postgresql ? |
| 15:42.49 | zinx | valdyn: the @GLIBC_2.0 versioned symbols exist in 2.2.5 |
| 15:42.53 | Amarande | so, I should be getting linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2 then to build my kernel. |
| 15:42.59 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 15:42.59 | valdyn | febo: question is, why does your vendor not provide an up to date binary of his software? is it unmaintained? |
| 15:43.13 | abrotman | Amarande: why are you building your kernel ? |
| 15:43.22 | valdyn | zinx: i see |
| 15:43.39 | valdyn | febo: or just one without versioned symbols |
| 15:43.45 | zinx | valdyn: they removed it some time during 2.3.x IIRC |
| 15:43.48 | Amarande | abrotman: to get better CPU optimization, and to support >1GB RAM. |
| 15:43.53 | zinx | valdyn: i recall being annoyed about it :D |
| 15:43.58 | valdyn | zinx: i see |
| 15:44.06 | abrotman | Amarande: what is your CPU ? |
| 15:44.13 | Amarande | Athlon 64 3500+. |
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| 15:44.25 | febo | so what..; |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | did you even *try* the -k8 kernels ? |
| 15:44.58 | abrotman | whihc support more than 1GB .. and is already optimized for your CPU |
| 15:44.59 | stew | dondelelcaro: no problem |
| 15:45.03 | valdyn | Amarande: you can use a debian smp kernel for > 1G support or compile your own |
| 15:45.06 | abrotman | novel idea really . |
| 15:45.22 | febo | valdyn because it s a shame... I m gone ask my vendor... linux is suffering unknown of this other... |
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| 15:45.31 | abrotman | the regular k8 should support >1GB .. the UP 686 does |
| 15:45.50 | febo | anyway thank you for you advice |
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| 15:45.58 | Amarande | valdyn, is the debian 2.6.12 kernel stock linux-2.6.12 or do they alter the sources? |
| 15:46.09 | Amarande | I got kernel-package downloaded, it says I should get sources next. |
| 15:46.12 | valdyn | Amarande: they patch some things |
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| 15:46.18 | abrotman | only a putz would run a vanilla kernel .. so says linus |
| 15:46.27 | Flogiston | Getting: "Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode. |
| 15:46.27 | Flogiston | " when using "clear" command on my server that i connect with ssh to. |
| 15:46.47 | Amarande | and is devfs still broken in 2.6.15? I heard it wasn't working in .13 or .14. |
| 15:47.01 | stew | abrotman: the k8, being 64bit doesn't even have a high mem setting |
| 15:47.02 | abrotman | devfs is deprecated iirc |
| 15:47.11 | xam | Amarande: devfs is gone |
| 15:47.15 | abrotman | Amarande: see .. stew said you can't read very well :) |
| 15:47.34 | abrotman | Amarande: compiling your own kernel is going to be a waste of your time .. and ours |
| 15:47.38 | Amarande | ahh, doesn't look like devfs is mounted, anyway. |
| 15:48.32 | Amarande | abrotman: don't I still need to do it to get all 1.5GB of my memory working instead of about 900MB? |
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| 15:48.44 | abrotman | Amarande: uname -a |
| 15:48.49 | Amarande | I'm assuming that editing the config files in /boot is bad. |
| 15:48.52 | Amarande | Linux megami 2.6.12-1-386 #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:49.01 | abrotman | USE A K8 kernel |
| 15:49.02 | Amarande | JST? |
| 15:49.15 | Amarande | Oh, that's where it was built. |
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| 15:49.29 | Amarande | abrotman: are those available in dpkg? |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | Amarande: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 k8 |
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| 15:49.46 | zinx | Amarande: they're available in the official debian apt repository |
| 15:49.47 | abrotman | how did you get etch installed? |
| 15:49.52 | Amarande | If I seem a bit off, I've been out of the debian loop for awhile. :) |
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| 15:50.15 | Amarande | Actually, I installed Sarge from the netinst disc, then installed the 2.6.12 kernel from an etch disc, since e1000 was broken in sarge's 2.6 kernel. |
| 15:50.27 | Amarande | Things are going pretty well other than the missing memory. |
| 15:50.39 | Amarande | And the fact that there's still a ton of stuff I still need to install. |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | bah .. where'd the k8 kernel in etch go ? |
| 15:50.57 | Amarande | I had to install the etch kernel at least, or I wouldn't have been able to get on the net at all to set things up. |
| 15:51.00 | valdyn | Amarande: as abrotman already said, a -k8 kernel is probably best, as long as you do not need certain proprietary drivers |
| 15:51.12 | abrotman | it's gone from etch .. there is a k7 though |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | which is still better than 386 |
| 15:51.25 | Amarande | valdyn, are k8 kernels 32- or 64-bit native? |
| 15:51.26 | valdyn | weird |
| 15:51.31 | valdyn | Amarande: 64 bit |
| 15:51.39 | Amarande | abrotman: etch has an amd64 arch now |
| 15:51.43 | ativan | he is in sarge anyway tho |
| 15:51.48 | Amarande | I would suspect that the k8 went there |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | Amarande: no kidding .. you don't say |
| 15:51.57 | valdyn | no |
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| 15:52.11 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 etch |
| 15:52.12 | valdyn | one k8 kernel at least is supposed to be in i386 etch |
| 15:52.24 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi,, I'm having some problems with NFS, I've got a debian sarge setup and it's exporting the share ok, my Mac OS X Tiger client can connect to the share but I can't write to the export. I get permission denied, I think it's something to do with conflicting UID's but I'm a total newb and I can't work out how to fix it. Any pointers that don't include tldp? |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | how freaking bizarre |
| 15:52.37 | Amarande | try 2.6.12 |
| 15:52.42 | Amarande | that's what came with the etch disc, anyway |
| 15:52.46 | ativan | maybe it's only in the x64 repos |
| 15:52.48 | abrotman | Amarande: i'm well aware of that |
| 15:52.50 | valdyn | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 |
| 15:53.09 | Amarande | 2.6.8 appears to have a broken e1000 driver, anyway, judging by experience |
| 15:53.28 | bobbens | andrewtaylor_: man 5 exports |
| 15:53.43 | abrotman | valdyn: sid wouldn't have that version |
| 15:53.50 | abrotman | !find amd64-k8 |
| 15:53.56 | valdyn | !wikifaq andrewtaylor_ Permissions |
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| 15:53.56 | dpkg | andrewtaylor_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:54.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'amd64-k8' (3): (/usr/share/kernel-package/Config/{config.amd64-k8|config.amd64-k8-smp}) in misc/kernel-package ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15/arch/amd64/{config.amd64-k8|config.amd64-k8-smp}) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.15 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1/debian/Config/{config.amd64-k8|config.amd64-k8-smp}) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.15-1. |
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| 15:54.33 | andrewtaylor_ | dpkg & bobbens - thanks |
| 15:54.45 | bobbens | andrewtaylor_: dpkg is a bot :P |
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| 15:55.08 | sylvisj | Umm abrotman |
| 15:55.15 | sylvisj | AMD64 _is_ K8 only |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | Ohm |
| 15:55.24 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:55.28 | sylvisj | One or the other would have worked... |
| 15:55.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:55.59 | sylvisj | I!find amd64 |
| 15:56.03 | sylvisj | !find amd64 |
| 15:56.05 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'amd64' (4): amd64-libs ;; amd64-libs-dev ;; libc6-amd64 ;; libc6-dev-amd64. |
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| 15:56.13 | sylvisj | !find k8 |
| 15:56.14 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'k8' (5): expectk-tk8.3 ;; libopencdk8 ;; libopencdk8-dbg ;; libopencdk8-dev ;; libpisock8. |
| 15:56.19 | andrewtaylor_ | bobbens - bot's have feelings too |
| 15:56.20 | abrotman | right .. apparently i don' tknow what im' talking about .. i'm a fucking idiot |
| 15:56.28 | sylvisj | !find amd64-k8 |
| 15:56.30 | abrotman | sylvisj: congratulations |
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| 15:56.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'amd64-k8' (3): (/usr/share/kernel-package/Config/{config.amd64-k8|config.amd64-k8-smp}) in misc/kernel-package ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15/arch/amd64/{config.amd64-k8|config.amd64-k8-smp}) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.15 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1/debian/Config/{config.amd64-k8|config.amd64-k8-smp}) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.15-1. |
| 15:56.43 | valdyn | !find amd64-em64t etch |
| 15:56.43 | sylvisj | abrotman: Grumpy? |
| 15:56.50 | sylvisj | !find em64t |
| 15:56.50 | abrotman | sylvisj: you're not helping ... |
| 15:57.04 | abrotman | sylvisj: i meant .. not me .. the situation .. |
| 15:57.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'em64t' (3): (/usr/share/kernel-package/Config/{config.em64t-p4|config.em64t-p4-smp}) in misc/kernel-package ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15/arch/amd64/{config.em64t-p4|config.em64t-p4-smp}) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.15 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-1/debian/Config/{config.em64t-p4|config.em64t-p4-smp}) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.15-1. |
| 15:57.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'amd64-em64t' returned no results. |
| 15:57.11 | abrotman | there is no k8 kernel in etch/sid |
| 15:57.21 | Amarande | hmm |
| 15:57.25 | Amarande | maybe I do need to go with the sources, then |
| 15:57.27 | abrotman | try a k7 for the moment |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | Amarande: why aren't you using pure64 to begin with ? |
| 15:57.44 | valdyn | cross compiling for amd64 is probably tricky, not sure |
| 15:57.52 | Amarande | abrotman, 64-bit isn't supported as well yet |
| 15:57.58 | abrotman | for what? flash and OO |
| 15:58.10 | Amarande | abrotman, I suspect it might break WINE, too |
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| 15:58.14 | Amarande | and I'm going to want to use that for some games |
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| 15:58.17 | abrotman | Amarande: this is bad? |
| 15:58.23 | abrotman | wh ynot ask #debian-amd64 |
| 15:58.33 | abrotman | or #winehq |
| 15:58.35 | Amarande | abrotman, last time I went to #debian-amd64 it was silent as a tomb |
| 15:58.45 | abrotman | people sleep |
| 15:59.10 | abrotman | try again maybe |
| 15:59.32 | abrotman | anyways .. if you're just intersted in your 1.5GB of ram .. use a -k7 .. should be ok |
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| 15:59.46 | abrotman | stew: do you still have those configs online ? |
| 16:00.14 | Eno_ | Is there a way to get bootsplash working with the sarge 2.6.8 kernel, or do I need to recompile? |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | recompile |
| 16:00.24 | Eno_ | :( |
| 16:00.30 | abrotman | you'll live without it :) |
| 16:00.41 | Eno_ | Yeah, I guess I will. :) |
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| 16:02.03 | abrotman | why is amd64 not in the buildd ? |
| 16:02.36 | valdyn | the arch? |
| 16:02.41 | Flogiston | i get 'rxvt-unicode': unknown terminal type. |
| 16:02.47 | Flogiston | Where do i fix it? |
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| 16:03.12 | abrotman | valdyn: yeah |
| 16:03.28 | abrotman | valdyn: i mean .. shouldn't it be listed at buildd.debian.org ? |
| 16:03.29 | valdyn | abrotman: its maintained elsewhere |
| 16:03.56 | abrotman | valdyn: i thought it was official now |
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| 16:04.23 | valdyn | abrotman: probably, but its not going to move into the regular debian repositories afaik |
| 16:04.38 | abrotman | i thought it was .. |
| 16:04.54 | Amarande | Did they change the standard name of kernel image packages? The i386 kernel packages are all "linux-image-*", but the k7 ones are under "kernel-image-*". |
| 16:05.21 | abrotman | those are sarge's name |
| 16:05.26 | abrotman | errr names |
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| 16:05.50 | valdyn | Amarande: yea |
| 16:05.51 | abrotman | Amarande: you'll have to navigate the ftp site to find a linux-image-2.6.12-<something>-k7 |
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| 16:06.14 | Denyerec | Why in the name of all that's holy does GNOME depend on Gnome-Office ? |
| 16:06.21 | Denyerec | That seems more gay than certain recently married pop singers. |
| 16:06.33 | thingfish | :/ |
| 16:06.41 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 16:06.41 | dpkg | from memory, install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 16:06.46 | abrotman | !tell Denyerec about gay |
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| 16:07.13 | Denyerec | Mmm |
| 16:07.21 | Denyerec | I used aptitude and selected "gnome" |
| 16:07.30 | azeem | Denyerec: gnome is a meta package, install gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment for a smaller set of GNOME applications |
| 16:07.34 | abrotman | well .. that's a metapcage that depends on gnome-office |
| 16:07.35 | Denyerec | THis may indeed be why everything in currently flying onto my system |
| 16:07.51 | suthink | I continually get "500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root" though in my .conf I have anonymous_enable=YES and write_enable=YES |
| 16:08.03 | suthink | well, a few more other things too; will pastebin |
| 16:08.21 | Amarande | kernel-image-2.6-k7_2.6.12-10_i386.deb? |
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| 16:08.29 | ronove | How do I setup my (onboard) soundcard if I only know what mobo I have? |
| 16:08.31 | abrotman | seems useful |
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| 16:08.41 | Amarande | and I suppose the appropriate kernel-headers package, too. |
| 16:08.42 | suthink | ->> http://pastebin.com/528846 |
| 16:08.44 | abrotman | lspci will tell you more about your soundcard |
| 16:08.49 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:08.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 16:08.51 | suthink | anyone have any idea why I'd still get that error? |
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| 16:09.08 | Amarande | Also, is the kernel image deb SUPPOSED to be only 9k large? |
| 16:09.26 | azeem | Amarande: is it a meta package? |
| 16:09.31 | azeem | it likely depends on the real one |
| 16:09.32 | abrotman | no |
| 16:09.50 | mrverbose | what is the latest kernel i can install on sarge? |
| 16:09.52 | abrotman | Amarande: should be linux-image .. NOT kernel-image |
| 16:09.54 | gnube | !dpkg usb |
| 16:09.54 | dpkg | i heard usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 16:09.58 | mrverbose | because of udev 0.56 |
| 16:10.02 | Eno_ | mrverbose: 2.6.8 |
| 16:10.13 | mrverbose | Eno_: i intend to compile it myself |
| 16:10.14 | peej | suthink : mismatch with libs ? |
| 16:10.32 | mrverbose | so i hope 2.6.8 won't be the one i have to choose |
| 16:10.33 | Amarande | That one's only 9k, too. |
| 16:10.40 | suthink | peej: sorry? |
| 16:10.52 | azeem | Amarande: what filename are you looking at? |
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| 16:11.09 | Amarande | linux-image-2.6-k7_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
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| 16:11.22 | Denyerec | !dpkg set up x |
| 16:11.22 | dpkg | methinks set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 16:11.23 | tarzeau | CRAP x broke nethack |
| 16:11.41 | peej | suthink: probably not. You've restarted inetd ? |
| 16:11.43 | rohan | i had read some page about typical qt compile error on debian, and ways to solve it ... i want i because knifty is not compiling. anyone has link of that page ? |
| 16:11.46 | tarzeau | i'm fine if X don't work anymore in sid. but NETHACK? |
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| 16:11.57 | Amarande | tarzeau: Worst YASD ever. |
| 16:11.58 | resiak | tarzeau: nethack-console! |
| 16:12.06 | tarzeau | resiak: i do have that |
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| 16:12.12 | resiak | tarzeau: k |
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| 16:12.26 | tarzeau | resiak: or wait... |
| 16:12.34 | Amarande | I had to actually go to r.g.r.adom and r.g.r.misc to get my YASD reading pleasure lately :/ |
| 16:12.40 | Amarande | r.g.r.nethack doesn't post enough anymore |
| 16:12.49 | peej | suthink: does syslog say anything more? |
| 16:12.58 | suthink | peej: I did a /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart, if that's what that would be |
| 16:13.02 | tarzeau | resiak: perfect :) |
| 16:13.08 | suthink | peej: I'll try to check |
| 16:13.14 | abrotman | Amarande: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 16:13.16 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 16:13.21 | Amarande | At least the good thing about Debian is that if I -do- break something, I almost certainly won't have to reinstall the OS. |
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| 16:13.25 | tarzeau | i will ascend this one. i can't die! |
| 16:14.02 | abrotman | is it only one CPU ? |
| 16:14.02 | tarzeau | damn new moon, maybe i'll wait few more days |
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| 16:14.14 | peej | suthink : OK, I'm not familiar with vsftpd. I'm just throwing some ideas around. |
| 16:14.35 | laroca | hello all, something has happened on my kde 3.5 system. Before, when I plug in a usbstick it would automount it just fine (without any fstab configurations), after I rebooted the computer, now it complains that /dev/sda1 entry is missing. What could be wrong |
| 16:14.37 | Amarande | tarzeau, make sure you use bones files from hearse, too. |
| 16:14.38 | suthink | peej: sure, no problem -- I appreciate all the help :) |
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| 16:15.01 | suthink | peej: I'm looking in /var/log/vsftpd.log, but can't see anything useful. Is that what you meant? |
| 16:15.02 | tarzeau | Amarande: of course i do :) |
| 16:15.10 | Amarande | speaking of which, does nethack decide in advance that it's going to use a given bones file when you get to the right dlvl? |
| 16:15.12 | tarzeau | Amarande: guess from where i got all these potions and stuff :) |
| 16:15.17 | Amarande | or does it not choose until you actually get there :) |
| 16:15.28 | tarzeau | Amarande: no levels are generated when you enter them |
| 16:15.34 | tarzeau | Amarande: the latter |
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| 16:16.09 | Amarande | so, install both linux-image AND linux-headers, right? |
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| 16:16.40 | rohan | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7290 |
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| 16:16.49 | peej | suthink: /var/log/syslog was what I was thinking of, but if you have vsftpd.log in particular, thats what you look at I guess. |
| 16:16.52 | rohan | anyone get the errors described on this page ? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7290 |
| 16:16.57 | rohan | i am trying to compile knifty |
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| 16:17.41 | jones | helo |
| 16:17.51 | diana | rohan: maybe #debian-kde ? |
| 16:17.56 | diana | !greet jones |
| 16:17.57 | dpkg | Gr33tz, jones |
| 16:18.00 | rohan | diana: ok. |
| 16:18.04 | suthink | peej: I can't see anything useful, but perhaps you'd like to take a look. Should I pastebin? |
| 16:18.19 | peej | ok |
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| 16:19.21 | Amarande | do you need to install both the linux-image and linux-headers packages, or only image? |
| 16:19.21 | suthink | peej: http://pastebin.com/528860 |
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| 16:20.06 | Eulex | Amarande, well, what do you want to do? |
| 16:20.29 | Amarande | Eulex, I'm presuming that to compile things properly, I'll need the headers. |
| 16:20.38 | Amarande | But I'm not entirely sure whether image perhaps -includes- headers. |
| 16:20.47 | drac | Amarande: You need both. |
| 16:20.49 | Amarande | Just judging by the fact that if you happen to install headers first, you get a warning when installing image. |
| 16:20.57 | Eulex | Amarande, the image doesn't include the headers. what do you want to compile? |
| 16:20.59 | Amarande | (Which makes me think headers ought to depend on image, but ...) |
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| 16:21.59 | corvax | hello |
| 16:22.03 | rohan | what section should a kde window decoration be in ? |
| 16:22.17 | Amarande | Okay, time to reboot and see how this kernel goes over. |
| 16:22.17 | corvax | whats up with packages.deian.org? |
| 16:22.19 | rohan | section as in the "control" file in debian/ |
| 16:22.25 | peej | suthink : er... won't write-enable be to allow put, and anon enable to allow anonymous? |
| 16:22.31 | ronove | when I try to apt-get install alsa-base; it stop with message "bash: alsacon: command not found" |
| 16:22.38 | bibe | corvax : read the /TOPIC |
| 16:22.45 | drac | corvax: it says in packages.debian.org :) |
| 16:22.51 | rohan | corvax: they have an explanation ... |
| 16:22.55 | Amarande | corvax, also make sure you typed debian and not deian like you just typed :) |
| 16:23.07 | rohan | lol, Amarande |
| 16:23.14 | suthink | peej: sorry? |
| 16:23.28 | Amarande | rohan: like what was that one with ssh |
| 16:23.36 | Amarande | 95% of ssh related errors are due to misspelling authorized_keys? |
| 16:23.37 | corvax | yaya |
| 16:23.46 | rohan | Amarande: hehe .. ok. |
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| 16:24.40 | rohan | anyone have a package for knifty kde decoration ? i am not able to compile it. |
| 16:25.01 | Eulex | Amarande, http://bash.org/?598537 |
| 16:25.07 | suthink | rohan: what error? |
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| 16:25.31 | rohan | suthink: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7290 --> same as on this page |
| 16:25.37 | Amarande | And remember, PEBKAC is usually a good thing. |
| 16:25.51 | Amarande | Because PEBKAC means you're doing something wrong, which means you don't need to wait for a package upgrade or fix your hardware. :) |
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| 16:25.53 | peej | suthink : ftp usually just serves. Admins who wanna allow uploads and wanna allow anon logins allow what you have set up. Running it as root is possibly the no-no here - mebbe it needs to run as user nobody if you are doing stuff like that. Does the readme have more info? |
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| 16:25.59 | thingfish | exactly. |
| 16:26.07 | Amarande | Okay, reboot time. |
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| 16:27.01 | suthink | peej: this is just a local ftp server; can't be accessed from outside (even if I wanted it to), so anon is totally safe if I have the right restrictions up |
| 16:27.37 | Daveman | hi thingfish :) |
| 16:27.53 | thingfish | hi Daveman, how goes it. |
| 16:27.56 | diana | What is a good tool like wifi-radar or Network Manager on Ubuntu.. except cli/ncurses and on debian? |
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| 16:28.06 | soppman | hi |
| 16:28.16 | soppman | am i supposed to get a tun0 or something when using isakmpd ? |
| 16:28.24 | soppman | or do i have to create it myself |
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| 16:28.46 | Daveman | thingfish, good - just playing with some ajax now :) |
| 16:28.52 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 16:29.06 | Amarande | -/+ buffers/cache: 86716 1469908 |
| 16:29.07 | Amarande | Yay. |
| 16:29.11 | bibe | diana : what do you exactly want from that tool? List available networks, signal strength and so on? |
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| 16:29.25 | Amarande | I mean, I didn't spend $75 on that third DIMM for it to look pretty in slot 3. :) |
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| 16:29.43 | diana | bibe: yes and to be able to switch from cat5 connections to wireless easily. |
| 16:29.57 | Amarande | I think my relationship with Debian is getting better each minute. :) |
| 16:30.14 | Amarande | Unlike my relationship with Windows, which is like one with an abusive ex. :P |
| 16:30.26 | peej | suthink : sure, but the system itself seems to have gripes about it. |
| 16:30.28 | bibe | diana : and you need that to be console-based, yes? |
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| 16:30.43 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Greetings ^^ anybody know how to configure eSound in Debian Sarge 3.1 so XMMS uses eSound and apps use Alsa? |
| 16:30.57 | suthink | peej: thing is, I've compared this exact .conf to a few other guides which use the exact one to enable anon logins, so I'm really wondering w hat the problem might be |
| 16:31.17 | Amarande | One last thing before I go & so I can go to work. |
| 16:31.19 | diana | bibe: I don't need it to be... I would prefer that...but I'm looking for anything now. |
| 16:31.28 | Eulex | x-[Kaiser]-x, why not use alsa for both? |
| 16:31.34 | Amarande | How do I switch eth0 from getting its IP via DHCP, to having a static LAN IP, without breaking the Internet? |
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| 16:31.45 | Amarande | Last time I tried it, everything outside of 192.168.1.x became unreachable. |
| 16:31.47 | diana | bibe: I've never used Ubuntu but I hear about this Network Manager tool, and also wifi-radar... anything like that? |
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| 16:31.57 | x-x- | x-[Kaiser]-x: edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 16:32.06 | x-x- | oops |
| 16:32.09 | diana | !tell Amarande about interfaces |
| 16:32.09 | x-x- | Amarande* |
| 16:32.19 | Amarande | yeah, the interface currently has: |
| 16:32.21 | Amarande | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:32.21 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.21 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.25 | x-x- | lol |
| 16:32.26 | diana | !tell Amarande about flood |
| 16:32.29 | x-x- | don't paste |
| 16:32.30 | diana | !tell Amarande about enter |
| 16:32.39 | Amarande | If I switch that to static, and then ifdown and ifup, I can't get out of 192.168.1.x. |
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| 16:32.42 | peej | suthink : debian security I'd guess. |
| 16:32.45 | bibe | diana : you can use kwifimanager (to list available wireless networks) |
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| 16:32.59 | Amarande | Is there something I forgot there? |
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| 16:33.21 | Denyerec | I just installed Gnome via aptitude... you reckon it'll install X as well as a dependency ? |
| 16:33.22 | Matt-H | Amarande: you forgot the gateway |
| 16:33.25 | suthink | peej: any way to get around this? |
| 16:33.27 | bbls | hello in what package can i find CUPS? |
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| 16:33.40 | anabain | does anybody know how to deactivate this message I get every time I press a key in a wireless-crap genius keyboard?: *atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0ex4 on isa0060/serio) atkbd.c: use 'setkeycodes e064 <keycode>' to make it known |
| 16:33.47 | blondie | bbls: apt-cache search cups |
| 16:33.51 | bibe | diana : or netapplet ("It is primarily aimed |
| 16:33.51 | bibe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.53 | bibe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.53 | Denyerec | doesn't cups just come as cups ? |
| 16:34.01 | anabain | I haven't found anything in google... |
| 16:34.05 | thingfish | cupsys |
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| 16:34.18 | Amarande | Right now I usually have machines on .93, .100, .102, .210, and .220. |
| 16:34.25 | Amarande | And of course .1. |
| 16:34.30 | lord_rob | hi ! what's a good app to record sound ? |
| 16:34.41 | Wyzard | Amarande: Why those arbitrary numbers? |
| 16:34.42 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Eulex (sorry for the late answer) because XMMS says the device is being used when another program calls an error sound or something like that, and it's annoying to restart the song everytime that happens -.-' |
| 16:34.43 | Snow | hey guys, i modprobed the module of 3com lan card |
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| 16:34.51 | Snow | ant I can't see it |
| 16:34.53 | Amarande | Wyzard: Occult silliness, mostly. :) |
| 16:34.56 | kristalino | where are the scripts of post-install of a package ? |
| 16:34.58 | Amarande | 93, 210, and 220 are all significant in Thelema. |
| 16:35.02 | Snow | realtek is working properly, but I can't see 3com |
| 16:35.04 | Snow | dmesg shows nothing |
| 16:35.08 | quittt | I need acents on aterm... who do I do that? |
| 16:35.08 | Snow | what should I do? |
| 16:35.17 | Amarande | Anyway, this machine should be 210, and 210 it shall be. |
| 16:35.29 | Amarande | I'll be back in the evening. I suspect this will disconnect as soon as I ifdown. :) |
| 16:35.31 | kristalino | please, where are the scripts of post-install of a package ? |
| 16:35.49 | peej | suthink : I'd go through the readmes. I'd expect the packager has made a note in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
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| 16:37.08 | lord_rob | I'd like to have a sort of vu-meter to see the sound level ... |
| 16:37.21 | bibe | diana : netapplet seems very nice |
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| 16:37.47 | rahulkher | somebody suggest me how to configure sound card for recording |
| 16:37.54 | suthink | peej: looking through now; README.Debian unfortunately didn't have anything, but looking through others now |
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| 16:39.43 | stomrider | Hi, i'm trying to install knetworkled, but when i try ./configure it gives this error "checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 16:39.44 | stomrider | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 16:39.44 | stomrider | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 16:39.44 | stomrider | " how to fix it? |
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| 16:40.28 | bdc332 | when using the ifupdown stuff how do I find out which stanza/mapping got executed? |
| 16:40.35 | suthink | peej: you're my hero =) |
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| 16:40.55 | stomrider | how do i install kde headers? |
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| 16:41.08 | suthink | peej: it was all in the FAQ -- it's a safety precaution it sets up against what it considers "dodgy configurations"; i.e. the anon root directory being owned by the FTP user |
| 16:41.13 | bdc332 | I could do something like post-up touch /var/run/$IFACE but is that the best? |
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| 16:41.31 | peej | suthink : it's a case of RTFM then. Hang your head in shame in the corner now ;-) |
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| 16:41.40 | suthink | indeed =) |
| 16:41.48 | jetscreamer | can anybody recommend a brand for a capture card that usually works well with linux, aka well suported in linux capture cards? |
| 16:42.16 | anabain | jetscreamer, compatiblelinux.com |
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| 16:42.29 | l1nux | hello |
| 16:42.38 | bibe | !hi l1nux |
| 16:42.48 | Snow | hey guys, I am doing modprobe 3c59x, and it makes everything without an error, but dmesg shows nothing and there aren't any eth1 or something like that, what should I do? |
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| 16:43.12 | jetscreamer | i tell xchat open in new browser window, so a tab opens up on some other instance of ff that's on another vdesktop :( |
| 16:43.14 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 16:43.18 | jetscreamer | anabain: ^^ |
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| 16:43.39 | quittt | hey do I put accent on aterm... they are working in xterm but not in aterm |
| 16:43.42 | quittt | what may be? |
| 16:43.59 | BsD-FrEaK | im trying to install debian on my laptop after the 1st part of the install i get errors here is the error www.freaks4linux.com/top.jpg can any one help |
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| 16:44.47 | Snow | hey guys, I am doing modprobe 3c59x, and it makes everything without an error, but dmesg shows nothing and there aren't any eth1 or something like that, what should I do? |
| 16:44.47 | l1nux | possible backup all installed debian in "live cdrom" ? |
| 16:44.50 | Snow | anyone? |
| 16:45.01 | jetscreamer | Firefox can't find the server at www.compatiblelinux.com ah well |
| 16:45.16 | jetscreamer | l1nux: wouldn't fit eh |
| 16:45.20 | Denyerec | lol @ digicam skillz |
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| 16:45.58 | jetscreamer | ah it's linuxcompatible.com |
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| 16:46.12 | jetscreamer | err .org |
| 16:46.56 | l1nux | jetscreamer, like knoppix or slax :P |
| 16:46.59 | Snow | anyone? |
| 16:47.02 | Snow | not an idea? |
| 16:47.22 | thingfish | SNow: I don't really know what you can do, if dmesg doesn't show it. |
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| 16:47.38 | thingfish | SNow: is this an ISA card? |
| 16:47.58 | Snow | I don't know really |
| 16:48.03 | Snow | 3com 900 |
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| 16:48.54 | Snow | thingfish: no ideas yeah? |
| 16:48.54 | Snow | ;] |
| 16:48.55 | jetscreamer | l1nux: i'm not sure how much they can actually compress into the cd |
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| 16:49.05 | Wyzard | Snow: Do you mean a 905? |
| 16:49.13 | thingfish | SNow: no. It's probably a pci nic. |
| 16:49.23 | Daveman | Hi Wyzard |
| 16:49.26 | l1nux | jetscreamer, or DVD :) |
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| 16:49.28 | kurumin | ?? |
| 16:49.42 | laroca | Hello, how do you start kded, my kde copmlains that kded is not running |
| 16:49.48 | Wyzard | Daveman: hello |
| 16:49.51 | Snow | Wyzard: no 900 |
| 16:49.53 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:50.09 | kurumin | i'm brazil |
| 16:50.22 | thingfish | SNow: do lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 16:50.40 | bbrazil | kurumin: eh, no. I'm Brazil |
| 16:51.11 | kurumin | Sou do brasil !!! |
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| 16:51.35 | jetscreamer | no you're bbrazil and you're kurumin |
| 16:51.36 | stew | !br |
| 16:51.36 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:51.43 | thingfish | that's nice. a gente esta feliz pra voce. |
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| 16:51.46 | Snow | thingfish: it is there |
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| 16:51.56 | Snow | 0000:00:07.0 Network controller: 3Com Corporation: Unknown device ffff |
| 16:51.58 | kurumin | blz |
| 16:52.00 | jetscreamer | new glasses |
| 16:52.28 | thingfish | SNow: that, to me, looks like it's not completely recognized. |
| 16:52.34 | bbrazil | jetscreamer: /whois :) |
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| 16:52.41 | thingfish | but I'm no linux+hardware guru. |
| 16:52.44 | bedboi | hi there |
| 16:52.52 | bedboi | where is x11.pc in debian? |
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| 16:52.54 | stew | Snow: run update-pciids then try lspci again |
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| 16:53.06 | bedboi | i cant find it in libx11-dev nor xlibs-dev |
| 16:53.15 | bbrazil | bedboi: try apt-file |
| 16:53.39 | Snow | Connecting to pciids.sourceforge.net[66.35.250.209]:80... failed: Connection refused. |
| 16:53.42 | Snow | update-pciids: download failed |
| 16:53.45 | Snow | why is that ;/ |
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| 16:54.13 | bbrazil | Snow: that host isn't listening on that port |
| 16:54.21 | dscener | Does debian have any packages for running Win98 as a virtual machine? |
| 16:54.31 | gq_gunhed | where can i see what password encryption (des, md5, blowfish) is used on my sarge-system? |
| 16:54.45 | stew | gq_gunhed: for what? /etc/shadow? |
| 16:54.47 | bbrazil | dscener: bochs maybe |
| 16:54.51 | Snow | so what should I do with the update-pciids command? |
| 16:54.56 | Snow | stew ;] |
| 16:54.57 | stew | Snow: i guess nothing |
| 16:55.00 | Snow | :D |
| 16:55.03 | Snow | so what's next? :) |
| 16:55.06 | Snow | no ideas still ? |
| 16:55.08 | gq_gunhed | stew: connecting nis-client (freebsd in that case) |
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| 16:55.14 | Denyerec | Fedora > Debain. At least Fedora was able to detect my hardware successfully. |
| 16:55.21 | Denyerec | X just flakes out on me on Debian. |
| 16:55.24 | Denyerec | <-- unhappy |
| 16:55.39 | thingfish | SNow: take that nic out and put in a non-3com one. ;) |
| 16:55.44 | lord_rob | @debain |
| 16:56.26 | Snow | thingfish: don't have one now, and shops are closed ;] |
| 16:56.31 | Snow | mayhbe the kernel reinstall will help, no? |
| 16:56.35 | stew | Snow: what is the output of "lcpci -n | grep 0200" |
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| 16:56.53 | azureus-user | hi, anyone who familar openssh here? ssh asks me for password every time, is there any way to skip it? |
| 16:57.07 | jjazz | dscener: Maybe ask that question in #wine? |
| 16:57.17 | stew | Snow: or more specifically; lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 16:57.22 | jjazz | azureus-user: google ssh passwordless login |
| 16:57.38 | harleyg | drivers for ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] anyone? |
| 16:57.46 | gq_gunhed | stew: I've got a sarge-server and several sarge client connecting to that box using nis/yp. Everything is fine. Now I've got to connect a FreeBSD box - I see trhe user/group IDs, but can't log on using NIS. |
| 16:58.03 | Snow | stew idiot:~# lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 16:58.03 | Snow | 10ec:8139 |
| 16:58.08 | abrotman | gq_gunhed: ask #freebsd ? |
| 16:58.15 | abrotman | azureus-user: keys |
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| 16:58.41 | azureus-user | jjazz, thanks, and another question, the remote sshd lookup the dns for my ip every time, so I have to wait for at least 10 seconds to login |
| 16:58.47 | stew | gq_gunhed: sorry i don't know about NIS, if you are wondering what hash is used for /etc/shadow, i can tell you its md5 by default, you can check by looking at /etc/shadow and seeing if the hashes start with $1$, if they don't they are des |
| 16:58.58 | gq_gunhed | abrotman: :) good idea btw, but I'm still interested to know where I can see the setting for my password encryption ;) |
| 16:59.19 | gq_gunhed | stew: ah ok, I'll have a look |
| 16:59.19 | jjazz | azureus-user: that sounds like a config problem on the remote end |
| 16:59.24 | azureus-user | jjazz, and I read the openssh FAQ, but I have no root priviledge |
| 16:59.28 | Snow | stew and? :) |
| 16:59.38 | jjazz | azureus-user: Complain to somebody who has root. |
| 16:59.41 | azureus-user | jjazz, to modify sshd_config |
| 16:59.49 | Snow | I am really pissed off of that 3com shit, gonna blow all box or through it through balcony |
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| 16:59.56 | stew | Snow: looks like a realtek |
| 17:00.01 | Snow | stew I have 2 lan cards |
| 17:00.06 | azureus-user | jjazz, so I skip it looking up dns myself? |
| 17:00.08 | Snow | realtek and 3com shit :) |
| 17:00.18 | Snow | realtek works just fine, it gives internet |
| 17:00.24 | Snow | and 3com should do the masquerade thing |
| 17:00.30 | Snow | but it doesn't show up at all |
| 17:00.37 | jjazz | azureus-user: Not really sure what you mean. |
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| 17:00.51 | gq_gunhed | stew: ok, /etc/shadow (sarge) seems to be md5 - all are starting with $1$ - thanks |
| 17:01.14 | Snow | stew :) |
| 17:01.17 | stew | Snow: you didn't get two lines from that command? |
| 17:01.25 | Snow | stew nop |
| 17:01.27 | Snow | only one |
| 17:01.39 | Snow | idiot:~# lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 17:01.39 | Snow | 10ec:8139 |
| 17:01.39 | Snow | idiot:~# |
| 17:01.40 | stew | Snow: ok do this, lspci, look for the busid in the first column, then "lspci -n" and give me the result from the same bisid |
| 17:01.43 | gq_gunhed | abrotman: leaving for freebsd ;) |
| 17:01.47 | gq_gunhed | #leave |
| 17:01.51 | Snow | stew ok |
| 17:01.52 | azureus-user | jjazz, sorry, I mean, so I cannot skip it from looking up dns myself? |
| 17:02.01 | ativan | what's an easy way to run X applications from inside a chroot. i.e. you can only chroot as root but X is running as the user |
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| 17:02.21 | Snow | 10b7:ffff |
| 17:02.26 | jjazz | azureus-user: I don't see how that would help you or how you would send that information to the remote box. |
| 17:02.27 | valdyn | ativan: use sux / sudo, dont use 'su' |
| 17:02.29 | Snow | stew 0000:00:07.0 Network controller: 3Com Corporation: Unknown device ffff |
| 17:02.37 | Snow | that's from lspci |
| 17:02.42 | Snow | 0000:00:07.0 0280: 10b7:ffff |
| 17:02.44 | Snow | that from -n ;) |
| 17:02.54 | xam | Denyerec: please go away then if you despise it so much and don't have anything to contribute |
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| 17:03.06 | Denyerec | Hah. |
| 17:03.14 | Denyerec | How can I contribute when I can't even configure X? |
| 17:03.30 | valdyn | !contribute |
| 17:03.31 | abrotman | vi is broken too ? |
| 17:03.32 | Denyerec | I was lured into thinking Linux was a possibility for me when Fedora "just worked". Seems that's not the case. |
| 17:03.36 | valdyn | oo |
| 17:03.37 | x-[Kaiser]-x | why after uninstalling WINE using --purge I can't install it again? it says "The Wine package has no candidate for its installation" (my Linux's in Spanish so I'm translating what it says) |
| 17:03.49 | valdyn | Denyerec: use windows then |
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| 17:03.53 | abrotman | Denyerec: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
| 17:03.53 | valdyn | Denyerec: or mac os x |
| 17:03.59 | Snow | stew :) |
| 17:04.01 | Denyerec | Yeah I installed x-windows-system |
| 17:04.04 | Aid` | anyone here know how to setup debian packages and then put them on a server so you can use apt-get?? |
| 17:04.07 | Denyerec | then entered as much as I knew in the config |
| 17:04.16 | xam | Denyerec: so far I just heard moaning and nothing else from you. A proper error report would be a start |
| 17:04.16 | abrotman | so what are the X errors |
| 17:04.17 | Denyerec | then when I reboot, I just get a few red screen flashes, then the text login. |
| 17:04.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | right .. check the log |
| 17:04.32 | Denyerec | So I tried to run x86config |
| 17:04.36 | Snow | abrotman: maybe you have some ideas on this issue? |
| 17:04.51 | abrotman | snow is frozen water |
| 17:04.51 | Denyerec | /var/log/x11.... |
| 17:04.57 | abrotman | Denyerec: don't run that program |
| 17:05.00 | Snow | :DDD |
| 17:05.01 | valdyn | Aid`: place packages somewhere ( on the server naturally ), and read the manpage to dpkg-scanpackages, and maybe read the debian reference |
| 17:05.02 | abrotman | !tell Denyerec about xmd5 |
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| 17:05.06 | stew | Snow: no modules in /lib/modules/2.6.15.../modules.pcimap are claiming that card, you might try skge or sk98lin anyway though |
| 17:05.06 | abrotman | !tell Denyerec about drxx |
| 17:05.13 | Snow | abrotman: common, i am really nervous about that thing |
| 17:05.18 | Snow | stew what is skge or sk98lin ? |
| 17:05.20 | abrotman | Snow: i'd have to read backlog |
| 17:05.34 | abrotman | does the machine have any network at all ? |
| 17:05.39 | stew | Snow: two different kernel modules that support newer 3com cards |
| 17:05.40 | Aid` | valdyn: ill do that thx |
| 17:05.44 | Snow | stew modprobe ? |
| 17:05.52 | stew | Snow: yes |
| 17:05.57 | Snow | FATAL: Module skge not found. |
| 17:06.05 | Snow | FATAL: Error inserting sk98lin (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko): No such device |
| 17:06.06 | stew | Snow: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:06.13 | stew | Snow: nm |
| 17:06.16 | Snow | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 17:06.49 | abrotman | Snow: funny .. i have it |
| 17:06.57 | komozo | hi |
| 17:07.00 | komozo | i'm looking for a doc on network auditing |
| 17:07.09 | komozo | an idea for me please ? |
| 17:07.11 | ronove | where's the kde 3.5 background dir located? |
| 17:07.14 | valdyn | komozo: google |
| 17:07.15 | Snow | what should I do? recompile kernel? |
| 17:07.16 | Snow | or what |
| 17:07.19 | adfasdfas | komozo, what kind of auditing? |
| 17:07.26 | stew | Snow: you could try a 2.6.15 but it doens't look good. recompiling a 2.6.8 kernel won't help |
| 17:07.28 | abrotman | Snow: please don't |
| 17:07.29 | komozo | network auditing |
| 17:07.46 | abrotman | Snow: do you have any network at all? |
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| 17:07.51 | Snow | abrotman: the thing is, i have a 3c900 3com card, which is that bad that when I do modprobe it doesn't appear nowhere |
| 17:08.05 | Snow | stew i have another identical 3com card, maybe I should replace? |
| 17:08.19 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 17:08.19 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. Ubuntu doesn't have a strong security team like Debian does - http://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/eterm-exploit.c.html |
| 17:08.31 | metrix | what is a decent command line ftp program that can upload multiple directories? |
| 17:08.32 | abrotman | Snow: does the machine have any network at all ? |
| 17:08.35 | stew | Snow: if its identical you should expect identical results |
| 17:08.54 | abrotman | unless the card is physically broken |
| 17:09.02 | adfasdfas | komozo: what kind of network auditing? Intrusion detection, user connection tracking, etc, ? |
| 17:09.05 | Denyerec | Damn thing can't even detect the mouse :/ |
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| 17:09.07 | Denyerec | (PS2) |
| 17:09.15 | Snow | abrotman: yeah, internet |
| 17:09.19 | Snow | but I need 3com to work for masq |
| 17:09.19 | abrotman | Denyerec: did you read anything dpkg told you ? |
| 17:09.23 | Denyerec | Yes |
| 17:09.23 | sparr | is there any linux app that can do arbitraryvideofiles->dvd[disc/image] in less than 5 commands/clicks for a decent range of codecs and video formats? |
| 17:09.28 | abrotman | Snow: and lspci says what? |
| 17:09.30 | Denyerec | And I ran dpkg-configure xserver |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | Denyerec: did you do it ? |
| 17:09.32 | jjazz | metrix: ncftp might be what you're looking for. |
| 17:09.39 | abrotman | !tell Denyerec about xmd5 |
| 17:09.41 | Denyerec | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:09.44 | Denyerec | that one |
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| 17:09.55 | Snow | 0000:00:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | i'm going to keep telling you about xmd5 until you do it |
| 17:09.58 | Snow | 0000:00:07.0 Network controller: 3Com Corporation: Unknown device ffff |
| 17:10.00 | phydoxx | how can i automate the call of "modprobe fuse", please? |
| 17:10.01 | metrix | jjazz: cool! I will try it out |
| 17:10.05 | abrotman | Snow: update-pciids |
| 17:10.09 | bbrazil | phydoxx: /etc/modules |
| 17:10.22 | Snow | abrotman: the server doesn't work |
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| 17:10.22 | stew | Snow: if update-pciiids would work we might find out for sure that its skge |
| 17:10.32 | Snow | Connecting to pciids.sourceforge.net[66.35.250.209]:80... failed: Connection refused. |
| 17:10.35 | abrotman | Snow: what server ? |
| 17:10.35 | Snow | update-pciids: download failed |
| 17:10.42 | phydoxx | thanks bbrazil |
| 17:10.48 | pzn | Hi! how can I know if package "apache-common" has changed from sargeR0 to sargeR1? if yes, how can I get a copy of old one? |
| 17:10.49 | abrotman | bah .. it's broken |
| 17:10.52 | Snow | yeah |
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| 17:11.06 | abrotman | pzn: google "3.1r1 release notes" |
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| 17:11.27 | Snow | abrotman: no ideas :D |
| 17:11.30 | Denyerec | [17:09] <dpkg> abrotman wants you to know: If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xf |
| 17:11.30 | komozo | adfasdfas : i'm not looking for tools. i want a plan (a document wich explain steps from physical layer to application layer and security) |
| 17:11.38 | Denyerec | that's what dpkg is telling me. |
| 17:11.41 | Snow | ok guys, I am trying to replace |
| 17:11.42 | komozo | adfasdfas : i'm not looking for tools. i want a plan (a document wich explain steps from physical layer to application layer and security) |
| 17:11.43 | Snow | identical card |
| 17:11.44 | Wyzard | Wow... I never noticed 3.1r1 had been released |
| 17:11.45 | abrotman | Denyerec: did you do it ? |
| 17:11.46 | Snow | maybe this will help |
| 17:11.50 | Denyerec | the files are identixcal |
| 17:11.54 | Denyerec | that's what DIFF said |
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| 17:12.15 | abrotman | Denyerec: ok .. so what does the X log say the error is ? |
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| 17:12.29 | abrotman | Snow: all of SF is messed |
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| 17:12.43 | Denyerec | the last error is "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 17:12.48 | testi | hi |
| 17:12.50 | abrotman | find the EE lines |
| 17:13.10 | Denyerec | (EE) no devices detected |
| 17:13.17 | abrotman | there could be more than one |
| 17:13.18 | Ace2005 | how do i make something executable via the command line, i tried the properties dialogue, as my self and with sudo konqueror and both gave errors so how do i do this via the command line? |
| 17:13.26 | jjazz | Ace2005: man chmod |
| 17:13.38 | Denyerec | That's the only one I could find. |
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| 17:13.47 | abrotman | well .. that's not very useful |
| 17:13.53 | abrotman | Snow: moment |
| 17:13.55 | Snow | abrotman: why is that? |
| 17:14.10 | abrotman | i have a file from last week .. we'll tell you how to put it in place |
| 17:14.22 | wizzomafizzo | Is it possible to use xorg while still using the stable repo? I NEED xorg due to hardware support, but everything else I'm fine with. |
| 17:14.22 | Snow | a file of what abrotman ? :) |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | Snow: the pciids |
| 17:14.35 | Denyerec | I also keep receiving "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7" |
| 17:14.38 | testi | i have an intel centrino, there is a module loaded 'ipw2200', which is for use with 'intel pro wireless 2200..' but when i 'iwconfig' it does not list an eth1 but eth0(normal ethernet) and a sit0(?). |
| 17:14.42 | bbrazil | wizzomafizzo: I think backports has it |
| 17:14.44 | Wyzard | Denyerec: That's harmless |
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| 17:14.53 | abrotman | !spurious 8259a interrupt |
| 17:14.54 | dpkg | methinks spurious 8259a interrupt is see http://search2.intel.com/corporate/default.aspx?culture=en-US&q=spurious+8259a&x=0&y=0 |
| 17:14.55 | Snow | abrotman: ok, I am now reputting the card, so it will take a wile, i'll hurry up |
| 17:15.00 | Denyerec | It might be harmless, but I'd love to know what ti is :) |
| 17:15.04 | wizzomafizzo | So I just have the stable mirror plus a backport specifically for xorg? |
| 17:15.18 | abrotman | Snow: let me know when it's back up and online |
| 17:15.36 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 17:15.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 17:15.40 | bbrazil | wizzomafizzo: pretty much |
| 17:15.48 | Ace2005 | jjazz; its not there |
| 17:15.53 | abrotman | wizzomafizzo: they explain about pinning a bit there |
| 17:15.58 | jjazz | Ace2005: what's not where? |
| 17:16.08 | wizzomafizzo | Yay, thanks heaps. |
| 17:16.15 | Snow | abrotman: ok |
| 17:16.18 | Wyzard | Denyerec: It means your serial port told the processor it needed attention, for no reason |
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| 17:16.25 | Denyerec | Mmm |
| 17:16.33 | Denyerec | I can't get into the fskin BIOS on this machine either. |
| 17:16.39 | Denyerec | For some reason hitting DEL does nothing |
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| 17:16.57 | abrotman | is it a usb keyboard ? |
| 17:17.01 | pzn | abrotman, ok, apache-common was changed from sargeR0 to sargeR1. how can I download the package of sargeR0? |
| 17:17.02 | Denyerec | No |
| 17:17.02 | Denyerec | PS2 |
| 17:17.07 | Wyzard | Denyerec: The processor checks the serial port (actually its controller, the 8259A chip), sees that there's nothing in the buffer, prints that message, and goes back to what it was doing before it was interrupted |
| 17:17.10 | Ace2005 | oh i give up |
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| 17:17.14 | abrotman | pzn: why was it changed? |
| 17:17.25 | pzn | abrotman, security fixes. |
| 17:17.36 | Denyerec | ARGH. |
| 17:17.42 | Denyerec | Fedora just auto-detected everything :( |
| 17:17.42 | Snow | hey abrotman won't believe it |
| 17:17.44 | Snow | ;] |
| 17:17.51 | Snow | works with another one |
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| 17:17.58 | Snow | so this one goes to the trash can |
| 17:18.03 | abrotman | pzn: snapshot.debian.net |
| 17:18.07 | abrotman | Snow: ah ok .. |
| 17:18.14 | Snow | thanks anyway |
| 17:18.16 | abrotman | Snow: do you still want the pci file ? |
| 17:18.16 | Snow | for that cool support |
| 17:18.17 | Wyzard | Denyerec: Somewhere in your X output there's an (EE) line other than the final "no screens found" one |
| 17:18.25 | Denyerec | There is not. |
| 17:18.26 | Snow | abrotman: maybe not, why do I need it? :) |
| 17:18.26 | xam | Denyerec: also try F2 or F12 to enter the BIOS ... |
| 17:18.42 | abrotman | Snow: right now .. you don't .. it's a good thing to keep up to date though .. there is also update-usbids |
| 17:18.42 | bbls | hello. i have an RPM, how can i install it? (i've already got rpm package) |
| 17:18.46 | Denyerec | Iloveyou |
| 17:18.50 | Denyerec | f2 did it |
| 17:18.52 | thingfish | or F1 |
| 17:19.08 | Wyzard | Denyerec: Are you looking at the entire output log, or just the last 25 lines that remain on your screen when "startx" drops you back to a prompt? |
| 17:19.26 | Denyerec | I greppe'd var/log/X11.... |
| 17:19.31 | Denyerec | for \(EE\) |
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| 17:19.55 | abrotman | does X come up? |
| 17:20.07 | Wyzard | Denyerec: Does your X config file specify a busID for your video card? |
| 17:20.22 | abrotman | why not have him paste those somewhere? |
| 17:20.54 | Denyerec | No. |
| 17:20.56 | Denyerec | It doesn't. |
| 17:21.11 | Denyerec | Not sure what graphics card is it, either. |
| 17:21.17 | Denyerec | it's an onboard one so I went with VESA |
| 17:21.17 | drac | Denyerec: lspci -X | grep -i vga |
| 17:21.27 | Snow | abrotman: so when the server will be up, I should execute the command, yes? |
| 17:21.45 | abrotman | Snow: sure .. it won't hurt anything .. and it's a good thing when your hardware is unknown |
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| 17:21.59 | Wyzard | Denyerec: hmm... VESA isn't accelerated so it's probably not the one you want to use for day-to-day stuff, but it ought to at least work on any non-ancient video card... |
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| 17:22.06 | Denyerec | drac thanks |
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| 17:22.12 | estel | hi, which package contains the PCL6 driver for cups? |
| 17:22.16 | Wyzard | Denyerec: Could you paste your X log to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
| 17:22.19 | Denyerec | it's an SiS 630/730 PCI.AGP adapter |
| 17:22.32 | drac | Denyerec: You want driver "sis" then. :) |
| 17:22.35 | Denyerec | yeah :) |
| 17:22.49 | Snow | abrotman: ok :) |
| 17:22.51 | Denyerec | should I run dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 17:22.57 | drac | Denyerec: Sure. |
| 17:23.14 | bbls | hello. anyone can tell me how can i install a RPM under debian? |
| 17:23.26 | bbrazil | bbls: alien, but look for a .deb first |
| 17:23.32 | bbls | there is no .deb |
| 17:23.32 | drac | bbls: Try to avoid it, but if you MUST.. apt-get install alien |
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| 17:23.42 | bbls | it's a printer driver |
| 17:24.00 | bbls | after i get alien what i do? |
| 17:24.04 | bbls | is alien an app or something? |
| 17:24.08 | drac | bbls: alien file.rpm and you get file.deb |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | man alien |
| 17:24.12 | bbls | ok, thx |
| 17:24.59 | phydoxx | when my webserver runs as user "one" and group "two", i can set the webdir to 0770 for "one.two", and the sites should be displayed, right? or do files need to be readable by "world", too? |
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| 17:25.22 | bbrazil | phydoxx: that should work |
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| 17:25.40 | abrotman | phyberoptix: don't forget to make sure the dirs have appropriate perms |
| 17:25.53 | Denyerec | Mmm |
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| 17:25.59 | Denyerec | could be 24bit colour nailling it actually |
| 17:26.08 | Denyerec | I have a vague memory of this |
| 17:26.08 | abrotman | possibly |
| 17:26.17 | abrotman | try 2bit video |
| 17:26.20 | Wyzard | Denyerec: You think your video card doesn't support 24-bit color? |
| 17:26.23 | Denyerec | well now I know the model of the GFX card and its bus ID PCI:1:0:0 |
| 17:26.32 | Wyzard | Denyerec: You don't need to specify the busID |
| 17:26.38 | Denyerec | Well it asked... |
| 17:26.41 | Denyerec | so I found it and specified it. |
| 17:26.46 | Wyzard | Denyerec: That's only needed if you have more than one video card |
| 17:26.49 | Denyerec | ah |
| 17:26.51 | abrotman | or a mac |
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| 17:27.32 | Wyzard | Denyerec: It's not harmful to specify it, but if for some reason the card's busID were to change (unlikely for built-in video, but if it were in a slot, moving it to a different slot would change it), the specified busID would no longer be correct and X wouldn't find the card |
| 17:27.49 | Wyzard | Denyerec: so I generally suggest not specifying a busID when it isn't needed |
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| 17:28.04 | bbls | i've converted the rpms to .deb, how do i install now? |
| 17:28.11 | bbls | is it ok to just install the rpm? |
| 17:28.24 | Wyzard | bbls: No, you install the .deb |
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| 17:28.44 | Wyzard | bbls: dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 17:29.00 | Denyerec | how'd you restart X without rebooting ? |
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| 17:29.08 | Denyerec | service.... blah doesn't cut it on Deb |
| 17:29.10 | tanja | hey there |
| 17:29.21 | abrotman | Denyerec: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 17:29.23 | tanja | how to mount movie, which is cue? |
| 17:29.27 | smiler1987 | this is probably really simple installed debian but cancled out at the choice where you choose to install server's and the one i want desktop enviroment how to i get back to this |
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| 17:29.40 | abrotman | tasksel |
| 17:29.40 | stew | Denyerec: /msg dpkg red hat tools |
| 17:29.50 | Denyerec | gdm doesn't exist |
| 17:30.03 | stew | Denyerec: ?dm |
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| 17:30.15 | Denyerec | xdm does |
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| 17:30.24 | Wyzard | tanja: If you're talking about a bin/cue CD image, assuming it's from an ordinary data CD (not a music CD), you can loop-mount the .bin file |
| 17:30.28 | j4cbo | i'm trying to play with xcompmgr, but the xdamage/xrender/etc dev packages don't seem to include the pkg-config files |
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| 17:30.48 | Denyerec | wheee |
| 17:30.54 | Denyerec | I have some 1985 looking login screen! |
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| 17:31.04 | Denyerec | I assume that's cos it's xdm managing the login not gnome ? |
| 17:31.07 | abrotman | maybe you should install gdm |
| 17:31.20 | Denyerec | I think I shall. |
| 17:31.21 | Wyzard | Denyerec: GDM is the GTK-based (i.e. nicer-looking) replacement for XDM |
| 17:31.22 | cusco | !start a dm war |
| 17:31.22 | dpkg | kdm is just shit! |
| 17:31.25 | Denyerec | Now I've got a desktop, though. |
| 17:31.25 | cusco | !start a dm war |
| 17:31.30 | jpipkin | Heh. |
| 17:31.39 | tanja | Wyzard, tnx :) |
| 17:31.41 | xam | Denyerec: yes, if you want something more 'modern' use gdm ... dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 17:31.42 | mrverbose | is there a banking-suite working with hbci for debian-testing? |
| 17:31.56 | Wyzard | j4cbo: You know xcompmgr is packaged, right? |
| 17:31.57 | Denyerec | xam surely I'd have to have it installed 1st? |
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| 17:32.12 | j4cbo | Wyzard: only in experimental |
| 17:32.12 | xam | Denyerec: of course ;) |
| 17:32.18 | Wyzard | j4cbo: ah |
| 17:32.23 | ma3x | this is bullshit, why when I do modprobe -r ndiswrapper my system freezes??? |
| 17:32.34 | smiler1987 | how do i get into the gui? |
| 17:32.34 | Wyzard | j4cbo: Well, install it from experimental then :-) |
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| 17:32.51 | Wyzard | ma3x: Maybe the Windows driver that ndiswrapper is loading has bugs |
| 17:33.11 | pzn | can anyone send me an "ls -la /var/lib/apache/mod-bandwidth/" of a sarge machine that was installed from sarge CDs (it may have been updated or not) |
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| 17:33.42 | Wyzard | j4cbo: If you have an experimental apt source, "apt-get build-dep xcompmgr" will install the packages needed to build the Debian package of xcompmgr... that should satisfy your dependencies for building it manually, too |
| 17:33.50 | ma3x | Wyzard, how come it didn't have for 1 year? |
| 17:34.25 | Wyzard | ma3x: no idea... different kernel version, maybe, and differences in how it interacts with ndiswrapper |
| 17:34.34 | jetscreamer | hey i should get me a new(used) box out of the deal too |
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| 17:35.39 | Denyerec | ok. |
| 17:35.50 | Denyerec | gonna re-install from scratch and document everything. |
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| 17:35.55 | Denyerec | I like douing that |
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| 17:36.30 | smiler1987 | i didnt install the dektop enviroment how can i install it now? |
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| 17:36.43 | Denyerec | hehe |
| 17:36.47 | Denyerec | that's what 'I'm doin |
| 17:36.48 | pzn | Hi! can anyone send me (in private, so it will not flood the channel) the output of "ls -la /var/lib/apache/mod-bandwidth/" of a sarge machine? I'd investigating a bug. thanks. |
| 17:36.52 | Denyerec | I ran aptitude |
| 17:37.01 | Denyerec | and selected gnome-desktop-environment and X11 |
| 17:37.10 | Denyerec | but others in here have more realistic advice. |
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| 17:37.32 | smiler1987 | i just want to insall the whole desktop enviroment |
| 17:37.39 | Denyerec | apt-get install gnome |
| 17:37.39 | Denyerec | ? |
| 17:37.41 | smiler1987 | kde gnome all the applications |
| 17:37.48 | Denyerec | Dunno then |
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| 17:38.35 | smiler1987 | in aptitude its under the "tasks" |
| 17:38.37 | smiler1987 | section |
| 17:38.45 | smiler1987 | but doesnt seam to like to install |
| 17:40.08 | smiler1987 | anyone know how to install the "Desktop Environment"? |
| 17:41.08 | sylvisj | smiler1987: You're going to try and mix KDE and gnome...? |
| 17:41.16 | smiler1987 | yes |
| 17:41.21 | sylvisj | smiler1987: Kinda nuts... |
| 17:41.21 | Denyerec | can't locate module psmouse |
| 17:41.22 | Denyerec | ? |
| 17:41.33 | sylvisj | smiler1987: Just go with one or the other and save yourself a lot of headaches |
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| 17:41.55 | smiler1987 | well you can install everything as a group normaly called desktop enviroment |
| 17:42.01 | smiler1987 | when u do a debian install |
| 17:42.13 | phydoxx | when i try to mount via sshfs and just get "remote host disconnected", where could i start to investigate? |
| 17:42.16 | smiler1987 | however i canceled out |
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| 17:42.23 | smiler1987 | i now need to get back to that |
| 17:42.29 | Aid` | anyone know how to automatically login to an ftp site with auser and pw and then upload a file? |
| 17:42.32 | jpipkin | Everyone who uses one tends to mix the two... |
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| 17:44.40 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hi, anybody know why when I uninstall wine through apt-get remove --purge wine, I can't install it again? |
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| 17:44.57 | _edward_ | Hello, I have this well two processes now that refuse to go away and I cannot run wine SETUP.exe because of them. ps aux | grep wine shows them as /usr/lib/wine/wine-preloader with pids 4607 and 4982 I have used lsof -p 4607/4982 and can see a bunch of open files and such is there any way to close them and kill the process? kill -9 $(pgrep wine) doesn't work :( |
| 17:45.08 | phydoxx | x-[Kaiser]-x, apt-get update |
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| 17:45.39 | x-[Kaiser]-x | same thing happens phydoxx :( |
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| 17:45.51 | ma3x | can you give me a little help on this one? : I am trying to install the acx100 drivers with m-a. m-a fetches the source and then when I try to build it, it says: The source package may not to be installed. Would you like to install or upgrade selected source packages now? |
| 17:45.51 | valdyn | _edward_: try killing the parent, like the terminal you started that process form |
| 17:45.54 | phydoxx | x-[Kaiser]-x, what is the error message? |
| 17:45.55 | valdyn | s/form/from/ |
| 17:46.30 | jpipkin | _edward_: And if what valdyn suggested doesn't work, see if dropping to runlevel 1 kills 'em, and if not, use the Windows method. |
| 17:46.40 | x-[Kaiser]-x | phydoxx, my linux is in Spanish, but I can translate: "The wine package has no candidate for its/the installation" |
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| 17:46.58 | neyka | x-[Kaiser]-x, cual es tu problema? |
| 17:47.01 | phydoxx | x-[Kaiser]-x, then its still installed |
| 17:47.12 | x-[Kaiser]-x | though I removed it, phydoxx :/ |
| 17:47.23 | valdyn | x-[Kaiser]-x: this means that no wine package is available from your current package sources |
| 17:47.33 | x-[Kaiser]-x | but it was valdyn o_O |
| 17:47.33 | valdyn | !info wine testing |
| 17:47.38 | x-[Kaiser]-x | or so I installed it from there |
| 17:47.38 | valdyn | x-[Kaiser]-x: _was_ |
| 17:47.44 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1499 kB, Installed size: 3396 kB |
| 17:47.48 | x-[Kaiser]-x | neyka, una vez de desinstalar Wine, ya no me deja de nuevo :( |
| 17:47.59 | valdyn | x-[Kaiser]-x: its in testing anyway |
| 17:48.16 | _edward_ | valdyn: there is no parent :( |
| 17:48.24 | valdyn | x-[Kaiser]-x: btw 'LC_ALL=C <someprogram> gives you english error messages |
| 17:48.29 | _edward_ | jpipkin: was trying to avoid that |
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| 17:48.36 | valdyn | _edward_: there always is |
| 17:48.38 | neyka | x-[Kaiser]-x, usa aptitude |
| 17:48.42 | ma3x | hello help me please |
| 17:48.58 | _edward_ | valdyn well using forest with ps doesn't show any |
| 17:49.14 | valdyn | _edward_: yep |
| 17:49.29 | _edward_ | ? |
| 17:49.34 | pzn | how can I check which packages provide file "x"? (i dont have the packages installed yet, I know how to do it in packages.d.o, but it is down) |
| 17:49.49 | Kresten | Hi there! I'm having problems mounting a usb-cdrom for a network install. Can anyone help? |
| 17:50.09 | valdyn | _edward_: which state is that process in? |
| 17:50.22 | tyranix | pzn: get 'apt-file' and type 'apt-file update && apt-file search "x"' |
| 17:51.23 | x-[Kaiser]-x | ya no me deja seleccionarlo más neyka :(, + no sirve :/ |
| 17:51.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:51.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:51.38 | neyka | x-[Kaiser]-x, usa synaptic |
| 17:51.42 | zcram | setlocale(locale.EN) |
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| 17:51.46 | aethera | hey all |
| 17:51.53 | x-[Kaiser]-x | neyka, me dice el mismo error del terminal x) |
| 17:51.57 | Kresten | anyone? |
| 17:51.58 | valdyn | _edward_: ok, the shortcut, kill X, if it does not go away you can wait and hope or reboot. |
| 17:52.02 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: neyka: go to #debian-es |
| 17:52.02 | _edward_ | valdyn: state? it's running and I have tried to kill it with kill -9 |
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| 17:52.06 | aethera | is there a way to convert ntfs to reiserfs |
| 17:52.11 | aethera | without loosing anythinh? |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | ahah |
| 17:52.16 | x-[Kaiser]-x | roger, sorry =/ |
| 17:52.31 | valdyn | _edward_: state as D or Z or S or whatever |
| 17:52.33 | Frosted | Is there a way to get the .config in /usr/src/linux with the kernel-source package? |
| 17:52.34 | zcram | aethera: just copy data over to a different disk? |
| 17:52.55 | aethera | zcram I dont have another 400GB disk |
| 17:52.56 | aethera | :P{ |
| 17:53.03 | _edward_ | valdyn ah thanks for are D |
| 17:53.10 | abrotman | aethera: yay for CDs ? |
| 17:53.11 | aethera | might copy it wai network |
| 17:53.13 | _edward_ | valdyn: for/both |
| 17:53.13 | aethera | :( |
| 17:53.18 | pzn | tyranix, it did not work for what I needed. I need to search which package creates one directory (for example: which package puts files in /etc/apache). packages.d.o used to show me that... |
| 17:53.25 | lord_rob | Frosted: there are kernels .config in /boot, if it's that you're looking for |
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| 17:53.32 | mrverbose | do i need cups on the local boxes if want to print on a remote print server? |
| 17:53.36 | pzn | tyranix, do you have other hint? |
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| 17:53.45 | jjazz | mrverbose: yes |
| 17:53.48 | mrverbose | or can gtklp do that without cups? |
| 17:53.51 | Frosted | lord_rob, oh right, thanks mate :) |
| 17:54.15 | jjazz | mrverbose: I've never used gtklp, but I'm guessing it wants cups |
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| 17:54.30 | abrotman | aethera: please do not msg me |
| 17:54.32 | valdyn | _edward_: that's a kernel bug if it does not go away, reboot |
| 17:54.37 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 17:54.37 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:55.13 | _edward_ | valdyn thanks |
| 17:55.26 | Wyzard | Out of curiosity, does 3.1r1's installer provide better SATA support? |
| 17:55.28 | valdyn | _edward_: specifically i device driver bug i think.. |
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| 17:55.45 | azeem | Wyzard: the installer did not get changed compared to 3.1r0a |
| 17:55.49 | valdyn | Outlook: than what? |
| 17:55.53 | Wyzard | :-( |
| 17:55.56 | valdyn | Outlook: ops |
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| 17:56.12 | Wyzard | Lack of good SATA support in the installer is going to be a big sticking point for Debian until Etch releases... |
| 17:56.16 | valdyn | Wyzard: there still is the 2.6.14 installer ( though its not official ) |
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| 17:57.00 | Wyzard | valdyn: I know, but a company setting up a server isn't going to want to use an unofficial third-party installer |
| 17:57.38 | valdyn | Wyzard: yea, debian should update installers ( imo ) |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | really? .. i mean .. seems to me .. managers won't know/care |
| 17:57.52 | valdyn | Wyzard: same sad thing with any os though |
| 17:57.55 | aethera | the debian installer rocks |
| 17:58.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: depends on the manager... I've seen my manager open up a PCF font file in a hex editor (Emacs hexl-mode, specifically) and start decoding its header manually |
| 17:59.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: and he's very hesitant about using unofficial packages of anything |
| 17:59.19 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. but if he tells you that you MUST use debian on a server .. are you going to balk at using 'sarge 2.6.14' because it's not a supported kernel? |
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| 17:59.56 | bbls | anyone can help me recover my XP MBR? |
| 18:00.00 | mrverbose | jjazz: well, seems to work fine without cups |
| 18:00.08 | valdyn | bbls: wrong channel |
| 18:00.10 | Wyzard | bbls: "fixmbr" from the XP Recovery Console |
| 18:00.11 | abrotman | where'd the MBR go ? |
| 18:00.19 | bbls | it has be written by GRUB |
| 18:00.21 | mrverbose | only 1 lib is required (libcupsys2) |
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| 18:00.40 | abrotman | bbls: so what? .. use grub to boot XP |
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| 18:00.51 | bbls | XP won't boot anymore. XP has been autodetected and added, but it doesn't boot |
| 18:01.05 | abrotman | so fix grub |
| 18:01.07 | abrotman | or stop using XP |
| 18:01.18 | bbls | i can't use my printer in linux |
| 18:01.21 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, sometimes that doesn't works so you can get mbrfix (http://www.sysint.no/Nedlasting/MbrFix.htm), run it from the recovery console in your XP CD and you're set |
| 18:01.23 | bbls | and i really need to use my printer |
| 18:01.33 | x-[Kaiser]-x | er, it was bbls, sorry |
| 18:01.39 | valdyn | bbls: which printer? |
| 18:01.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: When we installed Debian on a system with an ATI video card for testing, he didn't want to use the unofficial debs of the ATI driver because they were made by some random individual of unknown background, so we had to use the non-packaged tarball instead |
| 18:01.44 | bbls | and grub is correctly installed |
| 18:01.53 | bbls | valdyn, canon pixma iP1000 onusb |
| 18:01.54 | abrotman | so you'd like to make it so you can't boot Linux at all ? .. because your printer doens't work in linux ? |
| 18:02.06 | bbls | abauer, well i need the printer for work |
| 18:02.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you need 3d accel ? |
| 18:02.21 | abrotman | poor abauer |
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| 18:02.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, but we needed the card's dual-head features |
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| 18:03.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: R300.sf.net doesn't support dualhead ? |
| 18:03.35 | bbls | anyone knows a way to do it withtout leaving linux? |
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| 18:04.07 | JeffH | anyone here use gallery? I can't remember my username/password. How can I find out what it is or reset it? |
| 18:04.09 | bbls | title Microsoft Windows XP Professional |
| 18:04.09 | bbls | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:04.09 | bbls | savedefault |
| 18:04.09 | bbls | makeactive |
| 18:04.09 | bbls | chainloader +1 |
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| 18:04.18 | bbls | err |
| 18:04.21 | bbls | sorry |
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| 18:04.42 | phydoxx | "sshfs ... -o uid=one,gid=two" gives me an invalid option error, any ideas? |
| 18:04.45 | bbls | http://rafb.net/paste/results/6zvX6n63.html |
| 18:04.52 | bbls | here is my grub entry for XP |
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| 18:05.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: I haven't heard of that driver before, and can't visit the site now since SF is down... but it doesn't seem to be packaged in Debian, so I doubt he would've been willing to use that either |
| 18:05.24 | abrotman | same as mine .. mine works fine .. why doesn't XP boot ? |
| 18:05.25 | cahoot | JeffH: look in /etc/gallery/config.php (maybe) |
| 18:05.32 | Wyzard | bbls: Change "root" to "rootnoverify" |
| 18:05.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: ask gravity .. i think it's in X.org 7 |
| 18:05.45 | malte_ | lspci outputs only "unknown" devices. using the generic kernel. what can i do? |
| 18:05.49 | JeffH | thanks cahoot |
| 18:05.57 | Wyzard | bbls: Or get rid of the "root" line entirely and use "chainloader (hd0,0)+1" |
| 18:06.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: not much help on a sarge system though :-) |
| 18:06.05 | valdyn | malte_: this has nothing to do with your kernel |
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| 18:06.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh ... i guess not |
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| 18:06.46 | bbls | Wyzard, ok |
| 18:06.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you kill sourceforge? |
| 18:06.48 | malte_ | valdyn: but? how can i make the devices work and be recognized? |
| 18:06.56 | valdyn | malte_: normally you'd run update-pciids, to grab a new pciid list, but the server seems to be down. |
| 18:06.59 | cahoot | JeffH: btw - there is #gallery and #gallery-support to join |
| 18:07.08 | abrotman | malte_: update-pciids && update-usbids .. when sourceforge returns to normal |
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| 18:07.20 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, but I was using it earlier today (niftools.sourceforge.net forums) so I know it went down only within the past few hours |
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| 18:07.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: i blame canada! |
| 18:07.48 | JeffH | I just found those cahoot, thanks. |
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| 18:08.04 | valdyn | malte_: lspci only for _your_ information, it has nothing to do with the kernel supporting hardware |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | htf can all of SF be down |
| 18:08.49 | malte_ | valdyn what is it than meant for? |
| 18:08.59 | valdyn | malte_: didnt i just say that? |
| 18:09.01 | x-[Kaiser]-x | seems like so, or it's getting a big lag burst abrotman |
| 18:09.16 | abrotman | i meant it's a mirrored system .. or so i thought |
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| 18:09.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: The weird thing is, the front page gives me an empty response, but other sites (such as niftools.sourceforge.net) give me an immediate "connection refused" |
| 18:10.07 | x-[Kaiser]-x | it's a system that links to lots of mirrors :/ the site gets down, we lose the connection to the other mirrors. |
| 18:10.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: cracked ? |
| 18:10.18 | malte_ | valdyn: yes sorry, didn see ;-) |
| 18:10.26 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: that makes no sense btw |
| 18:10.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: dunno... seems unlikely though |
| 18:10.52 | abrotman | didn't it happen before ? |
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| 18:11.00 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, as in, a "gateway" that gives us access to the other file mirrors =P |
| 18:11.04 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 18:11.04 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:11.12 | valdyn | malte_: you can use that ^^ instead |
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| 18:11.36 | irc | ok this is a first |
| 18:11.52 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: still makes no sense |
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| 18:12.03 | bbls | hi again |
| 18:12.08 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, maye I don't know how to explain myself very well x) |
| 18:12.09 | bbls | so i replaced the menu.lst entry. still nothing |
| 18:12.17 | abrotman | apparently not :) |
| 18:12.22 | harleyg | where can i find the kde 3.5 deb file? |
| 18:12.23 | bbls | it just prints the boot options then halts |
| 18:12.29 | abrotman | bbls: you could ask #grub .. but they aren't always awake |
| 18:12.34 | Wyzard | harleyg: KDE 3.5 is currently only in unstable... it isn't in sarge |
| 18:12.35 | abrotman | harleyg: ask #debian-kde |
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| 18:12.50 | valdyn | bbls: which disk is your linux root on? |
| 18:12.58 | valdyn | bbls: which partition is your linux root on? |
| 18:12.59 | bbls | dev/hda2 |
| 18:13.00 | Wyzard | harleyg: though there might be an unofficial backport |
| 18:13.08 | harleyg | yes |
| 18:13.12 | bbls | XP is on /dev/hda1 |
| 18:13.15 | harleyg | i had it before but i forgot the link |
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| 18:13.23 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hey, I've been having the kinda same issue too! o.o |
| 18:13.39 | neuonyx | how do i tell debian to use xfree instead of x.org and vice versa |
| 18:13.39 | neuonyx | ? |
| 18:13.42 | valdyn | bbls: which boot options get printed? |
| 18:13.43 | ma3x | what's still starting ndiswrapper on boot, I removed it from /etc/modules. Why is it still starting? |
| 18:13.46 | ma3x | hello |
| 18:13.50 | ma3x | valdyn, can ya help dude? |
| 18:13.52 | bbls | valdyn all of them |
| 18:14.08 | bbls | valdyn then a few empty lines, cursor is at start of line then |
| 18:14.09 | valdyn | bbls: i have no idea what 'boot options' you are referring to |
| 18:14.14 | Wyzard | neuonyx: sarge and earlier releases have only XFree86, and testing (etch) and unstable have only Xorg |
| 18:14.17 | bbls | valdyn the ones from menu.lst |
| 18:14.23 | neuonyx | oh |
| 18:14.29 | neuonyx | so i am stuck with only x.org |
| 18:14.29 | neuonyx | ? |
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| 18:14.40 | Wyzard | neuonyx: If you're running testing or unstable, yes |
| 18:14.45 | neuonyx | ah |
| 18:14.49 | neuonyx | testing |
| 18:14.50 | neuonyx | ok |
| 18:14.51 | valdyn | bbls: so you hit your downarrow key pick windows and hit enter |
| 18:14.52 | Wyzard | neuonyx: I'd hardly call that "stuck"... xorg is newer than xfree |
| 18:14.52 | neuonyx | well |
| 18:14.55 | neuonyx | haha |
| 18:14.56 | neuonyx | well |
| 18:14.57 | neuonyx | problem is |
| 18:15.00 | neuonyx | i have color depth 24 |
| 18:15.01 | bbls | valdyn doh.. |
| 18:15.03 | neuonyx | but looks horrible |
| 18:15.12 | neuonyx | somsone suggested it might be problem with ati driver |
| 18:15.38 | Wyzard | neuonyx: ATI's proprietary driver? |
| 18:15.43 | valdyn | !tell neuonyx -about enter |
| 18:15.44 | bbls | valdyn then you see "Booting Windows XP" (the named entry in menu.lst) then the XP options entry in menu.lst are printed. and it hangs then there |
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| 18:15.54 | neuonyx | WyzardL whatever came with it :) |
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| 18:16.26 | Wyzard | neuonyx: "whatever came with it" is not ATI's non-free proprietary driver... you might be using something like the generic VESA driver |
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| 18:16.44 | valdyn | bbls: try switching in your bios to and fro lba mode for your harddisk |
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| 18:17.55 | pololop | hello, somebody uses hostapd with WPA-PSK ? |
| 18:17.58 | Wyzard | neuonyx: If you want to install ATI's driver (which is non-free, but has the best support for the hardware), it's packaged in unstable as "fglrx-driver", and might be in testing by now |
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| 18:18.07 | bbls | so anyone can help me? |
| 18:18.17 | Wyzard | bbls: Did you change "root" to "rootnoverify" ? |
| 18:18.18 | neuonyx | hrm |
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| 18:18.30 | bbls | Wyzard, i've tried with chaninloader (hd0,0)+1 |
| 18:18.36 | neuonyx | thank you, I will try that in a moment... Is there a command that i can verify my color depth when in X ? |
| 18:18.47 | valdyn | bbls: did you do what i said in your bios? |
| 18:18.52 | Wyzard | neuonyx: It also requires a kernel module which is built from "fglrx-kernel-src"... module-assistant can help with that |
| 18:19.00 | bbls | valdyn, in bios? |
| 18:19.07 | bbls | valdyn, sorry i haven't seen that message |
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| 18:19.19 | valdyn | bbls: try switching in your bios to and fro lba mode for your harddisk |
| 18:19.30 | wethion | Ok, in reading the GPL V.3 draft, and in light of Linus' decision not to move the Linux kernel to GPL v.3, I am forced to significantly consider moving myself and my client's systems to the Hurd kernel when GPL V.3 becomes finalized. I seek only the most general response to this question, what level of usability will be lost when moving from Linux to Hurd at current levels of functionality? In addition, is Debian accelerating the dev |
| 18:19.30 | wethion | elopment of Hurd support because of the more open restrictions demanded by GPL V.3? |
| 18:19.30 | Wyzard | neuonyx: xdpyinfo | grep "depth of root window" |
| 18:19.35 | bbls | valdyn, ok |
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| 18:19.48 | neuonyx | thank you |
| 18:19.51 | Ivco | how to configure gd2 with php? |
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| 18:20.11 | Wyzard | wethion: Probably a lot... but why do you feel a need to move from Linux to Hurd just because Linus doesn't like the current draft of the GPLv3? |
| 18:20.22 | valdyn | wethion: hurd has functionality? |
| 18:20.23 | cusco | how can I make that a user can't login remotelly to telnetd our sshd ?? |
| 18:20.27 | wethion | Wyzard: because I do like it. |
| 18:20.27 | nima | Ivco: you go to the little config page |
| 18:20.41 | nima | do you already have it installed? |
| 18:20.50 | Ivco | yea |
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| 18:21.10 | malte_ | update-pciids cannot connect to sourceforge ... |
| 18:21.12 | Ivco | rpm -qi gd |
| 18:21.19 | valdyn | wethion: if debian is not free enough for you, then the only viable options are the BSDs afaik |
| 18:21.40 | Wyzard | wethion: And you refuse to use any software that continues to use the same v2 license it's always been using? |
| 18:22.04 | valdyn | wethion: though you wont get around using gpl software on bsd either |
| 18:22.36 | wethion | Wyzard: No, not at all, rather I feel that V.3 is in import document that should be implemented with all possible haste. |
| 18:22.39 | Wyzard | wethion: FWIW, I think Linus's comment about it being ridiculous to have to distribute a signing key seems a little misinformed on his part |
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| 18:22.50 | nima | Ivco: log in as administrator |
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| 18:23.06 | Ivco | i am logged |
| 18:23.06 | malte_ | but another problem: when typing alsamixer, it say i've no sound device s.th. to do with module snd_ctl_open |
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| 18:23.19 | Wyzard | wethion: Well, first of all, v3 doesn't even exist yet -- it's just a draft |
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| 18:23.34 | stew | wethion: until gpl v3 is out of draft there is no way to know if it will be considered free and usable by debian |
| 18:23.49 | Wyzard | wethion: Second, moving Linux to v3 would be a huge effort even if Linus did want to, because he'd have to get permission from everyone who's ever contributed code to the kernel |
| 18:23.55 | wethion | valdyn: you are misunderstanding my point. Debian is fine, absolutely, I'm merely inquiring as to the Debian projects inclusion of Hurd and the difficulties one may expieriencing moving from Linux to Hurd. |
| 18:24.19 | nima | Ivco: hold on, im still figuring it out |
| 18:24.21 | valdyn | wethion: hurd is barely functional, its no option for production |
| 18:24.23 | wethion | Wyzard: Agreed, which is why I phrased my post as I did. |
| 18:24.34 | Ivco | nima: ok thanks |
| 18:25.07 | azeem | wethion: the Hurd is not ready for production use, period. |
| 18:25.13 | wethion | Stew: I was not asking about Debian's implementation of V.3 I was asking about Debian's support foir Hurd. |
| 18:25.16 | azeem | I don't see the connection with GPLv3 anyway |
| 18:25.23 | Wyzard | wethion: And third, IIRC the v3 draft forbids a practice which Linus personally is OK with: binary-only drivers, like the nVidia and ATI ones that many people use with their kernels |
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| 18:25.29 | bbls | i'm back |
| 18:25.35 | Red_Cloud | While learning to navigate Linux using a console, I have a problem differentiating between directories and files when using the command "ls". My shell is bash. Is there any way to configure bash to show some type of difference between a directory and file. Say font colorization, or italics, etc? |
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| 18:25.40 | malte_ | alsa is set as module in kernel but i am unable to open alsamixer: no device. what could i do? |
| 18:25.45 | bbls | i've tried to change BIOS LBA off and grub stopped loading at 1.5 stage |
| 18:25.56 | wethion | Red_Cloud, --color |
| 18:25.58 | stew | wethion: right, and what i'm saying is, it might be possible that debian would have to drop hurd completely if it moves to gplv3 and gplv3 is considered non-free |
| 18:26.07 | nima | Ivco: i forgot my password :-P |
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| 18:26.15 | stew | wethion: not that i think it is likely, its just a possibility |
| 18:26.27 | azeem | stew: you could still distribute the Hurd under GPLv2 |
| 18:26.31 | bbls | anyone has any other idea? |
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| 18:26.34 | azeem | "or any later version" |
| 18:26.37 | Ivco | nima: omg |
| 18:26.38 | stew | azeem: ahh right |
| 18:26.45 | azeem | stew: anyway, the same would be true for the whole toolchain |
| 18:26.47 | Wyzard | azeem: depends on whether they change that to "v3 or any later version" |
| 18:27.02 | azeem | Wyzard: so branch off the code from the day after |
| 18:27.04 | nima | Ivco: HAH, got it |
| 18:27.11 | valdyn | azeem: that really depends on who holds the copyright to hurd |
| 18:27.12 | azeem | eh, before |
| 18:27.13 | Red_Cloud | wethion, thanks. I will do so |
| 18:27.16 | azeem | valdyn: the FSF |
| 18:27.19 | thingfish | Red_Cloud: add the line alias ls='ls --color=auto' to your ~/.bashrc |
| 18:27.20 | Ivco | nima: good :D |
| 18:27.26 | azeem | valdyn: same for glibc, gcc, emacs, binutils, .... |
| 18:27.33 | nima | Ivco: click site admin in the corner |
| 18:27.36 | valdyn | azeem: so its being just one organisation they can change the license easily |
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| 18:27.43 | nima | Ivco: does that do what you want? |
| 18:27.46 | wethion | stew: how could that be? V.3 is more defensive of freedom of use that V.2.. Ok, I was not aiming to begin a political debate, I just wanted to see what the status of Hurd currently is, and if there are plans to increase development of Hurd within the Debian project. |
| 18:27.46 | azeem | valdyn: yes, but not retroactively |
| 18:28.06 | Ivco | nima: i am logged in ssh and i also have cpanel installed on the server |
| 18:28.13 | wethion | Red_Cloud, look in your .bashrc, there are commented out aliases in there for doing exactly what you want.. |
| 18:28.16 | azeem | wethion: as I said, the Hurd is not ready for production use |
| 18:28.24 | valdyn | azeem: sure it could be forked.. |
| 18:28.27 | Wyzard | wethion: I'm pretty sure the Hurd is not a viable platform for real-world systems at this point |
| 18:28.31 | malte_ | isn't anyone there who succeded in setting up alsa (with the kernel module)? |
| 18:28.41 | azeem | wethion: it will be seen whether Debian GNU/Hurd passes the archive requalification process |
| 18:28.42 | wethion | azeem: and I thank you for your response. It's exactly what I was looking for. |
| 18:28.48 | stew | wethion: for instance as it reads now, you would not be allowed to have /usr/share/doc on a cryptoloop partition |
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| 18:28.55 | Red_Cloud | wethion, thanks |
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| 18:29.15 | azeem | Wyzard: not the Debian port, anyway |
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| 18:29.27 | wethion | Wyzard: stew: azeem: good enough. Many thanks. |
| 18:29.39 | Wyzard | stew: I don't think that's true... or at least, it's not the intention |
| 18:29.57 | malte_ | does anyone know another channel where i could get help concerning alsa/debian |
| 18:30.19 | azeem | malte_: here |
| 18:30.22 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 18:30.22 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 18:30.31 | Wyzard | stew: If you were distributing /usr/share/doc as an already-encrypted blob, you'd have to distribute the key too, but you wouldn't do that anyway |
| 18:30.46 | s | If I compile my own kernel @ Debian, and a security update is released for the source code I built the kernel otu of, will I still see it? |
| 18:30.59 | s | Or maybe will it see the version of the kernel that I'm running (and that it's built from debian sources) |
| 18:31.06 | s | And suggest or automatically perform an upgrade? |
| 18:31.14 | nima | Ivco: you can edit your config.php, if thats what you want |
| 18:31.17 | Wyzard | stew: If you generate a key on the user's system at installation time, that's different |
| 18:31.29 | stew | Wyzard: Regardless of any other provision of this License, no permission is given to distribute covered works that illegally invade users' privacy, nor for modes of distribution that deny users that run covered works the full exercise of the legal rights granted by this License. |
| 18:31.35 | nima | its right in your gallery directory, Ivco |
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| 18:31.48 | jpipkin | You'll see an update to the source code, which you can then get and recompile from |
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| 18:33.03 | malte_ | valdyn: !alsa 2.6? what do you wanna say? doesn't it run with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:33.10 | Wyzard | stew: You're not denying anyone their rights if you store the files on their disk encrypted with a key that they know, even if the key was generated on their end and you yourself don't know it |
| 18:33.11 | wethion | Stew: right. the impression I get here is that the goal is to prevent, say, Sony from using the work of OSS developers to make DRM softwar that prevents users from "fair use". |
| 18:33.12 | mfrisch | I am having problems compiling a prog that uses a mysql-backend, if I paste in #paste could somebody maybe help ?? |
| 18:33.12 | stew | Wyzard: i don't see anything that says install time is different than distribution time, it just says you can't restrict someones usage |
| 18:33.20 | valdyn | malte_: oh you are using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 18:33.22 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 18:33.22 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 18:33.31 | valdyn | malte_: ^^^ |
| 18:33.51 | malte_ | valdyn: no 2.6.15 |
| 18:34.00 | stew | Wyzard: .."technical attempts to restrict users' freedom to copy" <-- this is from the sentence before, if it is encrypted i cannot copy it |
| 18:34.24 | stew | wethion: Wyzard: i don't doubt that this is not their intention, but it doesn't mean it doesn't mean to be fixed |
| 18:34.40 | Wyzard | stew: Sure you can -- I have my laptop's entire hard drive encrypted, and I can freely copy things around on it because I know the key and type it in at boot time |
| 18:34.41 | valdyn | !tell malte_ -about alsa 2.6 |
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| 18:34.53 | valdyn | malte_: ! indicates that im talking to the bot dpkg |
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| 18:35.26 | malte_ | valdyn: oh, didn't know ... |
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| 18:36.02 | Wyzard | stew: Other people don't know my key, so maybe I couldn't give someone else an opaque encrypted backup copy of my laptop's hard drive... that might be forbidden by the current v3 draft, but I'm not sure whether they'd even want to "fix" that |
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| 18:36.27 | wethion | stew: Agreed, the point desperately needs clarification, however I doubt the intention is to prevent someone from distributing encrypted software for security reasons, i.e. privacy amongst parties in agreeance with the encryption. |
| 18:36.27 | bbls | i have a problem |
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| 18:36.49 | wethion | bbls: so do we all. |
| 18:36.58 | mfrisch | me too |
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| 18:37.01 | malte_ | valdyn: but i have alsa-utils installed, compiled a 2.6.15 with alsa and no css support and ran alsaconf ... unfortunately, alsamixer doesn't work and it says i've no device |
| 18:37.01 | stew | Wyzard: that case might be fine, but putting a password protected zipfile somewhere on a system with other users might not be |
| 18:37.04 | Wyzard | stew: but if I boot my laptop normally, with the encrypted drive mounted, and send files from it to other people, the files are decrypted automatically as they're read from disk, so that would be perfectly legitimate under v3 |
| 18:37.10 | bbls | i have a program that fails because it can't find libtiff. i've tried apt-get install libtiff4 but it says that's already installed. but no libtiff* in /usr/lib |
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| 18:37.28 | Wyzard | stew: That would be OK as long as you're not "distributing" the password-protected zipfile to the other users |
| 18:37.32 | valdyn | malte_: does alsaconf find your card? |
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| 18:37.57 | Wyzard | stew: Other users trying to access it without permission (or, someone stealing my laptop and trying to read the contents of the encrypted hard drive) don't count |
| 18:38.06 | stew | Wyzard: where does it say that? |
| 18:38.07 | bbls | anyone knows what can i do to install libtiff then? |
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| 18:38.19 | mfrisch | bbls: libtiff4 |
| 18:38.22 | justin | bbls: "fails" how? |
| 18:38.22 | loggygreg | bbls: reinstall libtifff4 |
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| 18:38.33 | wethion | bbls: apt-cache search libtiff, you may need additional libs that have slight cvariations of name. |
| 18:38.34 | stew | Wyzard: i'm just saying if this stuff isn't clarified, it might very likely be considered non-free by debian, but hopfully it will be clarified |
| 18:38.35 | Wyzard | stew: That's implicit in any copyright license -- copyright governs the act of making copies of things |
| 18:38.42 | malte_ | valdyn: yes, it does! |
| 18:38.53 | bbls | weasel, apt-cache search libtiff tells me libtiff is in package libtiff4 |
| 18:38.57 | cyrix | hello all |
| 18:39.04 | bbls | but apt-get install libtiff4 tells me that it's already installed |
| 18:39.12 | valdyn | malte_: which debian release are you running? |
| 18:39.22 | bbls | but i can't find libtiff* in /usr/lib or other */lib |
| 18:39.26 | cyrix | is there a way to move the cursor in twm without a mouse connected? |
| 18:39.27 | loggygreg | bbls: apt-get --reinstall install libtiff4 |
| 18:39.33 | drac | bbls: dpkg -L libtiff4 |
| 18:39.33 | bbls | loggygreg, ok |
| 18:39.36 | stew | Wyzard: i just don't get how you arrive at the conclusion that "Other users trying to access it without permission don't count" |
| 18:39.42 | mfrisch | can somebody goto #paste and look at a compiling error I am gettting please? |
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| 18:39.57 | wethion | bbls: apt-get install --reinstall libtiff4 libtiff4-dev |
| 18:39.57 | Wyzard | stew: If I make a copy of a file and give it to someone, I must abide by the terms of the GPL. If someone steals the file from me without my consent and against my will, I haven't made a copy so the terms of a copyright license are irrelevant. |
| 18:40.17 | malte_ | valdyn: must be one of the latest sarge for amd64 |
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| 18:40.33 | Cyorxamp | what do I use as <type> in the fstab for mounting NTFS!!?!? |
| 18:40.40 | x-[Kaiser]-x | ntfs |
| 18:40.52 | wethion | stew: theft pretty much suspends copyright law insofar as restirctions on the part of the owner. |
| 18:40.53 | Wyzard | stew: An encrypted file sitting in my home directory on a multiuser system is much the same: it's my data and I'm not giving it to anyone, and if someone else enters my home directory to try to read it, they're the one making the copy, not me |
| 18:40.54 | stew | Wyzard: wait, what do you mean steal? you mean you tried to prevent them from getting it and they got it anyway? |
| 18:40.59 | valdyn | malte_: cat /proc/asound/devices |
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| 18:41.23 | stew | Wyzard: the point is that you might not be able to attempt to keep them from it in the first place |
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| 18:42.01 | stew | Wyzard: also what if debian decided that having to comply with making all source code available for three years is too much demand on debian's limited resources |
| 18:42.11 | Max_Tred | oi pessoal, alguempoderia me ajudar? |
| 18:42.13 | malte_ | valdyn: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Stpk0819.html |
| 18:42.16 | Wyzard | stew: Even the current GPL does not require you to give software to anyone... if you *choose* to distribute GPL software, you must do so in compliance with the license, but you're free to choose to keep it to yourself and not distribute it at all |
| 18:42.25 | stew | Wyzard: they'd have to have online the source of every version of every gpl package ever in sid for 3 years |
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| 18:42.57 | valdyn | malte_: lsmod | grep snd_seq |
| 18:43.11 | stew | Wyzard: yes, but this is something new, they are now denying you the right to keep it to yourself, you used to have this right in v2 now in v3 they are taking this right away from you |
| 18:43.21 | malte_ | valdyn: no output ... |
| 18:43.33 | wethion | stew: I thing you're really misreading the draft. |
| 18:43.42 | valdyn | malte_: ls /dev/snd/ |
| 18:43.47 | Pollywog | I thought ppl wanted me to keep to myself |
| 18:43.52 | Wyzard | stew: And I don't think they are... if I put some GPLed code in an encrypted file in my home directory and leave it there, I'm choosing not to distribute it to anyone, and that's perfectly OK |
| 18:43.54 | stew | wethion: if its possible to misread it, it should be fixed |
| 18:44.04 | Pollywog | Wyzard: exactly |
| 18:44.06 | malte_ | valdyn: doesn't exist |
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| 18:44.19 | valdyn | malte_: are you using a custom kernel? |
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| 18:44.25 | wethion | stew: can you post the passage which you think indicates this demand? |
| 18:44.28 | valdyn | malte_: or is that a debian kernel? |
| 18:44.34 | Wyzard | stew: If I decide to give it to someone, I must decrypt it first, (or give them the key), but as long as I'm not giving it to anyone it doesn't matter how I store it for my own access |
| 18:44.36 | valdyn | malte_: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 18:44.42 | malte_ | valdyn: at the moment yes, but with nearly the old config |
| 18:44.57 | stew | wethion: http://gplv3.fsf.org/draft <-- section three "Digital Rights Management" |
| 18:44.58 | Pollywog | it would be like telling me if I change a pizza recipe I must publish the change |
| 18:45.00 | malte_ | valdyn: the old one had oss AND alsa enabled ... |
| 18:45.04 | stew | wethion: s/rights/restrictions/ |
| 18:45.10 | valdyn | malte_: nothing wrong with that |
| 18:45.36 | mrverbose | is there a way to remove all the stuff left behind by a package that is now marked rc in dpkg -l list? |
| 18:45.41 | beaumont | how do i make gkrellm or anyother application to start with X? |
| 18:45.47 | malte_ | valdyn: ok, but there must be some kind of magic trick to get it running? :) |
| 18:45.48 | mrverbose | like a post-uninstall --purge |
| 18:45.58 | valdyn | malte_: run dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 18:46.12 | Wyzard | stew: That says that IF YOU GIVE the GPLed software to someone, you must give it to them in a way that they can use it freely |
| 18:46.19 | loggygreg | beaumont: put it in .xinitrc |
| 18:46.20 | wethion | stew: distribution implies willingness, theft is not willingness. |
| 18:46.27 | Denyerec | ok... so GNOME logon works, but I get an xscreensaver error. |
| 18:46.28 | wethion | Wyzard: right. |
| 18:46.28 | Wyzard | stew: It doesn't say you have to give it to people at all -- you're free to keep it to yourself, as always |
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| 18:46.43 | stew | Wyzard: section 3 isn't restricted in any way to distribution |
| 18:46.46 | beaumont | loggygreg, i dont have that file |
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| 18:47.07 | valdyn | malte_: also run dpkg -l linux-sound-base | tail -1 |
| 18:47.14 | loggygreg | create it in your home directory |
| 18:47.15 | Wyzard | stew: "no permission is given *to distribute covered works* that (etc.)" |
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| 18:47.39 | malte_ | valdyn: first says: un - udev - <no> - (no label there) |
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| 18:47.53 | cockroach | hi. i'm looking for a command-line tool to switch x-resolution (like wmressel but without the gui). is anyone aware of such a tool? |
| 18:47.56 | Wyzard | stew: You don't need permission from the license to just keep the copy you already have, because copyright has nothing to do with that |
| 18:48.04 | wethion | stew: I really don't understand your point. distribution is the sole topic of section three. |
| 18:48.05 | gravity | cockroach: xrandr |
| 18:48.11 | aethera | anyone here got experience in JSP? |
| 18:48.14 | cockroach | gravity: thanks! |
| 18:48.16 | malte_ | valdyn: the other one: ii linux-sound-ba 1.0.10-3 base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems |
| 18:48.22 | malte_ | ii linux-sound-ba 1.0.10-3 base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems |
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| 18:49.07 | valdyn | malte_: ok, first 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base', pick alsa, second: apt-get install udev, reboot, see if there's files in /dev/snd/ |
| 18:49.22 | debian_rules | would someone help me get my nvidia card configured? |
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| 18:49.31 | valdyn | malte_: if that doesnt work, bad luck, im not going to debug your custom kernel config. |
| 18:49.56 | stew | Wyzard: i missed that mention of distribution |
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| 18:50.57 | Wyzard | stew: The key thing to remember is that the GPL is a copyright license... it cannot restrict a copy you already have; it can only restrict your ability to make further copies |
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| 18:51.18 | aethera | aethera@spawn:~$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:51.18 | aethera | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 18:51.32 | aethera | why does that happen when trying to open firefox? |
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| 18:52.06 | Wyzard | stew: "EULA" which restrict what you can do with the software you already have, can do that because they are contracts which you explicitly agree to, not copyright licenses |
| 18:52.06 | stew | eleftherios: apt-spy? |
| 18:52.31 | Denyerec | Hmm. can only select 800x600.... methinks something has gone titties-skyward in my X config |
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| 18:53.19 | Pollywog | I thought EULA was the name of Bill Gates' mom |
| 18:53.25 | Pollywog | ;) |
| 18:53.45 | stew | Wyzard: yes, i understand, in anycase, my real point was just that, we cannot assume that gplv3 will be accepted by debian as a dfsg compliant license |
| 18:53.51 | malte_ | valdyn: ok ^^ linux-sound-base says: Architecture-specific modutils configuration not found, using defaults |
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| 18:54.06 | malte_ | valdyn: but do i have to add "udev" to grub? |
| 18:54.08 | eleftherios | Pollywog, hahaha :-) |
| 18:54.08 | Pollywog | debian_rules: have you tried Google? |
| 18:54.12 | Wyzard | stew: I agree with that... but that's why it's just a draft, so they can get feedback from people like Linus and organizations like Debian :-) |
| 18:54.19 | stew | yup |
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| 18:54.41 | Pollywog | debian_rules: I know I have seen howto's for Nvidia cards |
| 18:54.46 | debian_rules | actually I tried the man pages and deb's site and nothing. |
| 18:54.47 | jjazz | stew: Assumptions aside, the chances are really really good that GPLv3 will be dfsg |
| 18:54.49 | loggygreg | malte_: no |
| 18:54.58 | malte_ | thanks than |
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| 18:55.01 | debian_rules | Okay, that sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:55.05 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some video editing app. i mean, to take a .avi or .mpeg file and just cut some parts? |
| 18:55.13 | debian_rules | thx... |
| 18:55.21 | zaikxtox | something like a sound editor, but for video |
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| 18:55.42 | stew | jjazz: from my breif reading of it i think the DRM section could be a problem with some DDs and alsa the needing to provide source code for 3 yeard |
| 18:55.45 | stew | years* |
| 18:55.46 | Pollywog | debian_rules: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 18:56.21 | ma3x | stew, can ya help me buddy? |
| 18:56.40 | stew | ma3x: with what? |
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| 18:56.48 | Wyzard | stew: How would the DRM section be a problem for DDs? Nobody uploads packages to Debian in a form that Debian can't understand... |
| 18:56.58 | ma3x | stew, on boot up, my console flashes, not on the beginning but probably towards the end |
| 18:57.07 | gravity | Wyzard: We'd like people to run Debian on a PSP for example, which requires a form of DRM to run |
| 18:57.10 | ma3x | stew, the console fuzzles and blinks left and right like crazy |
| 18:57.16 | Pollywog | DD = debian developer? |
| 18:57.33 | jjazz | stew: I don't see which dfsg provision the new DRM section conflicts with. |
| 18:57.38 | stew | Wyzard: becuase i don't think that its interpretation is as clear as you |
| 18:58.12 | jjazz | stew: The whole point of the comment process is to make the language clear enough so that interpretation isn't open to interpretation |
| 18:58.13 | blondie | hmm I put the sarge netinst CD into my laptop, typed linux26 and pressed enter, but now it does nothing else :\ |
| 18:58.24 | ma3x | stew, as soon as I enter KDE, it's okay, but the console is flashing like crazy |
| 18:58.26 | blondie | screen just went blank (but not off) |
| 18:58.27 | stew | ma3x: you could try not running /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh during boot |
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| 18:59.00 | ma3x | stew, what's that script for? |
| 18:59.46 | stew | jjazz: i think that it could be interpreted as violating the first part of the dfsg |
| 19:00.10 | stew | ma3x: look at /etc/console-tools/config |
| 19:00.15 | blondie | hmm, the last line it outputted was FATAL <something> :( |
| 19:00.30 | Wyzard | Hey, SourceForge is back up |
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| 19:01.20 | jjazz | stew: I don't quite see how. |
| 19:01.33 | ma3x | stew, and what should I set there? |
| 19:01.54 | stew | ma3x: do you have any of the FONT lines uncommented? |
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| 19:02.25 | christo | hi all |
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| 19:03.00 | mrverbose | anyone awake who got the hw_random module working together with an i810/i815 chipset? |
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| 19:03.17 | malte_ | valdyn: alsamixer does work now, but mp3blaster fails to open sound device |
| 19:03.34 | gimf | how do i check the ram amount in terminal? |
| 19:03.41 | gimf | couldn't find anything in lspci |
| 19:03.45 | stew | jjazz: i think the wording is too general in the DRM section in that it could be interpreted in such a way that you cannot create software from gpl v3 whose purpose is to restrict access, like crypto software or firewalls |
| 19:03.56 | christo | ciao |
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| 19:04.09 | jjazz | gimf: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 19:04.13 | gimf | thx |
| 19:04.28 | jjazz | stew: Have you submitted this concern as a comment? |
| 19:04.36 | ma3x | stew, only thisone : SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 |
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| 19:06.01 | sandman | Is there a command to turn off my monitor? |
| 19:06.10 | sandman | I turned this laptop into a terminal server, but its LCD server is broken :) |
| 19:06.25 | sandman | And it keeps blinking and stuff. Closing the lid doesn't turn it off (it's an old laptop) |
| 19:06.26 | ma3x | stew, should I comment it? |
| 19:06.31 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 19:06.34 | jjazz | stew: And I have to say, I don't see anything in the language that could be extended to firewalls or crypto. The language is pretty clean in that it forbids just two things: illegal privacy invasion and modes of distribution that prevent further copying. |
| 19:06.34 | aethera | aethera@spawn:~$ mozilla-firefox |
| 19:06.34 | aethera | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:06.45 | gravity | aethera: Don't run it as root? |
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| 19:07.13 | ma3x | stew, ok thanks, I 'll reboot and report! |
| 19:07.15 | aethera | not root |
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| 19:07.33 | gravity | aethera: Another user? Something weird like a chroot? |
| 19:07.56 | SperMite | would this be right dpkg -i cedega_4.4-2_i386.deb |
| 19:07.56 | SperMite | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.07 | Crell | Greetings. I'm having an issue with apt on Sid. When I run aptitude update or apt-get update, I get an error "Dynamic MMap ran out of room", "Problem with MergeList...". The problem has persisted over a couple of days. Any idea what went wrong? |
| 19:08.11 | malte_ | valdyn: still there? :) |
| 19:08.18 | bbrazil | !mmap |
| 19:08.18 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
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| 19:08.20 | justin | aethera: I've seen that a bunch of times... doing 'xhost +;mozilla-firefox;xhost -' once (quit firefox as soon as it opens) will fix it |
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| 19:09.25 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 19:09.26 | blondie | what does this mean (when booting from sarge cd): FATAL: Module hid not found. ? |
| 19:09.27 | stew | jjazz: there already have been tons of comments to this effect to the fsf site |
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| 19:09.48 | DevilChaos | blondie: i just ignore it |
| 19:09.53 | blondie | hmm |
| 19:09.59 | DevilChaos | its odd though |
| 19:10.10 | jjazz | stew: True enough. |
| 19:10.13 | blondie | well it says that, then Trying to enable the frame buffer... |
| 19:10.18 | blondie | and then it goes blank and nothing else :( |
| 19:10.33 | Wyzard | blondie: "hid" is the driver for USB keyboards and mice |
| 19:10.40 | blondie | oh |
| 19:10.59 | blondie | grrr |
| 19:11.13 | blondie | it does the same with just "linux" (2.4 kernel) :( |
| 19:11.14 | Pollywog | blondie did you install the glzx package? |
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| 19:11.17 | Pollywog | glx |
| 19:11.25 | blondie | no I haven't installed anything |
| 19:11.25 | Crell | bbrazil: Uh, ok. What's the cause behind the error if that is the fix? |
| 19:11.33 | blondie | it's the installer that won't work |
| 19:11.43 | DevilChaos | need a tip on extracting .gz zip files please i have no x on my server machine first time doing it in the command line? |
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| 19:11.52 | Wyzard | blondie: Sounds like the problem is probably with the framebuffer driver... maybe your video card doesn't like it for some reason |
| 19:12.04 | Pollywog | oh yes I forgot you are just now installing Debian |
| 19:12.04 | blondie | hmm |
| 19:12.04 | Wyzard | blondie: I'm pretty sure there's an option to boot without the framebuffer, though I don't remember what it is |
| 19:12.18 | blondie | I think openbsd has the same problem on this stupid laptop |
| 19:12.18 | DevilChaos | f3? |
| 19:12.49 | Pollywog | oh yes laptops deserve a Howto just for laptops, they are a challenge |
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| 19:13.21 | Crell | bbrazil: Hm. Tried that, didn't fix anything under apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:13.57 | blondie | ok it works without the fb :) |
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| 19:14.57 | Pollywog | boot: expert noapic nolapic bootkbd=es |
| 19:14.57 | Pollywog | debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
| 19:15.02 | Pollywog | is it that? |
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| 19:15.26 | blondie | yes, I did "linux26 debian-installer/framebuffer=false" |
| 19:15.30 | Pollywog | k |
| 19:15.45 | Wyzard | expert mode shouldn't be needed just to disable the framebuffer |
| 19:16.05 | blondie | oh I didn't use expert mode |
| 19:16.05 | blondie | hm |
| 19:16.14 | Wyzard | That's OK |
| 19:17.19 | bbrazil | DevilChaos: gunzip |
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| 19:17.44 | bbrazil | Crell: did you try adding a 0? |
| 19:18.32 | Crell | bbrazil: No. I am not even sure what that line does, which is why I asked. |
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| 19:18.49 | DevilChaos | bbrazil: how do i get it to put the file where i want it without displaying the contents and leaving the .gz file it was extracted to ? |
| 19:19.02 | aethera | justin: why does that happen? |
| 19:19.05 | DevilChaos | so i can nano the extracted fie |
| 19:19.07 | bbrazil | Crell: ah, the problem is that by default apt doesn't have enough memory allocated to store all the info it needs. that increases it |
| 19:19.29 | bbrazil | DevilChaos: there's some option for that, man gunzip |
| 19:19.38 | justin | aethera: not sure, probably a bug in one of the scripts that only gets ran the first time you run firefox |
| 19:19.50 | Crell | I see. I just have the standard Sid feed listed. Is this a problem I should expect to see more of, or will apt's default increase? |
| 19:20.08 | aethera | justin: mind if I pm you for a few things? |
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| 19:20.20 | bbrazil | Crell: I know they increased the value after sarge, you probably have some extras in your sources.list |
| 19:20.26 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hi, anybody knows how to configure esound in sarge 3.1? |
| 19:20.36 | justin | aethera: bad idea... not really paying attention to irc |
| 19:20.42 | aethera | ah ok |
| 19:21.01 | Crell | bbrazil: At present I have the Sarge security feed and two complete feeds (Stable/Testing/Unstable), for redundancy. |
| 19:21.14 | Crell | Adding the 0, though, seems to have fixed it. Merci! |
| 19:21.15 | bbrazil | Crell: that would be it then |
| 19:21.29 | patbrugge | Hi all I have set my keyboard to us-international with deadkeys in gnome config doh I cant use the euro or set dots above the a letter |
| 19:21.39 | bbrazil | Crell: I'd leave the sapres commented out |
| 19:21.42 | bbrazil | Crell: *spares |
| 19:21.57 | patbrugge | _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "alt-intl", "grp:alts_toggle" |
| 19:22.03 | justin | bbrazil: you mean umlauts? :-) |
| 19:22.07 | Crell | Why? Doesn't apt-setup encourage you to have multiple? (It used to.) |
| 19:22.24 | bbrazil | justin: I think you want someone else |
| 19:22.24 | DevilChaos | ok heres what i did maybe someone in here could tell me where i went wrong if they could please i tried four times same result it gets displayed instead of written to file |
| 19:22.26 | Wyzard | bbrazil: Nothing wrong with having multiple sources available... I use debian.lcs.mit.edu primarily, with http.us.debian.org as a backup |
| 19:22.30 | justin | bbrazil: probably |
| 19:22.41 | bbrazil | Crell: last time I checked, apt-setup was being phased out ;) |
| 19:23.02 | justin | Crell: stable+testing+unstable isn't "redundant", they are 3 completely different things |
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| 19:23.11 | bbrazil | Wyzard: its a waste of bandwidth though if you're using cron-apt every night |
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| 19:23.33 | Wyzard | bbrazil: Only for the package lists, which aren't all that big |
| 19:23.40 | DevilChaos | gzip -cdv9 interfaces.gz /usr/share/doc/shorewall/two-interfaces/ and i just want the unzipped file in that directory ? |
| 19:23.49 | Crell | justin: Yes, but not infrequently aptitude wants to pull something from testing even though I run mainly sid. |
| 19:24.01 | Wyzard | wow... p7zip is better than rzip |
| 19:24.15 | justin | DevilChaos: then ffs use gunzip |
| 19:24.17 | Crell | bbrazil: I've noticed, which is unfortunate. It was the easiest way I know to get the correct paths for working nearby mirrors. |
| 19:24.27 | DevilChaos | ffs? |
| 19:24.31 | justin | !+ffs |
| 19:24.31 | azeem | !ffs |
| 19:24.31 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 19:24.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 19:24.48 | bbrazil | Crell: there's always apt-spy, although in my case I have a mirror directly upstream |
| 19:25.04 | DevilChaos | ah ok point taken |
| 19:25.08 | DevilChaos | ;) |
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| 19:25.28 | Crell | apt-spy? |
| 19:25.49 | bbrazil | Crell: it scans multiple mirrors trying to find the fastest one, I haven't used it |
| 19:25.57 | Crell | Ah. I'll give it a shot. |
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| 19:26.47 | aethera | anyone got some good sites for debian tutorials |
| 19:26.52 | aethera | like the gentoo forum site? |
| 19:27.32 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hi, anybody knows how to configure esound in sarge 3.1? |
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| 19:28.24 | streuner | aethera: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 19:29.24 | streuner | dpkg nickometer x-[Kaiser]-x |
| 19:29.25 | dpkg | 'x-[Kaiser]-x' is 56.000% lame, streuner |
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| 19:29.48 | streuner | x-[Kaiser]-x: why does anyone want esound? |
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| 19:29.52 | aethera | damn debian rocks |
| 19:30.06 | streuner | x-[Kaiser]-x: just /msg dpkg sound |
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| 19:32.03 | DevilChaos | gunzip rocks |
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| 19:33.22 | kspath | you might like zcat/gzcat |
| 19:33.32 | kspath | zgrep |
| 19:33.57 | micekiller | could someone tell me which package should create /etc/udev - the udev package in unstable does not and so it produces pre-installation errors. does someone have a hint? |
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| 19:35.20 | justin | micekiller: I would imagine udev should, have you checked the bts? |
| 19:36.04 | micekiller | i guess bts means bug tracking system? didn't check yet. |
| 19:36.33 | streuner | !tell micekiller about bts |
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| 19:37.11 | aethera | erm no mplayer in the apt? |
| 19:37.12 | Levi- | hm, when I try to apt-get upgrade, I get an error whick sounds like: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcc1.postinst: line 6: 1257 illegal instruction ldconfig |
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| 19:37.15 | Levi- | some way to sort it out? |
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| 19:37.39 | micekiller | yes i know it. i've already sucessfully reported bugs there. didn't know the shortcut |
| 19:37.41 | streuner | Levi-: from sarge to testing? |
| 19:37.51 | Levi- | streuner: correct. |
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| 19:38.55 | ronaldo_ | #debian-br |
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| 19:39.20 | Levi- | streuner: any clue..? |
| 19:39.45 | streuner | Levi-: try to remove libgcc1 |
| 19:40.21 | Levi- | streuner: if I do that, I lose the whole system, with apt, base-config and such |
| 19:40.35 | streuner | Levi-: hm |
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| 19:41.02 | streuner | Levi-: ok, mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcc1.postinst /tmp |
| 19:41.10 | streuner | Levi-: apt-get -f install |
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| 19:42.00 | streuner | Levi-: ok, mv /tmp/libgcc1.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 19:42.03 | Rawplayer | MI |
| 19:42.48 | ma3x | stew, my problem with the blinking screen still persists. And I think it happens everytime after the following lines in the console (kernel): Jan 29 18:02:22 ma3x kernel: radeonfb: Retreived PLL infos from BIOS |
| 19:42.49 | ma3x | Jan 29 18:02:22 ma3x kernel: radeonfb: Reference=14.32 MHz (RefDiv=31) Memory=183.00 Mhz, System=133.00 MHz Jan 29 18:02:22 ma3x kernel: radeonfb: PLL min 12000 max 35000 |
| 19:42.49 | ma3x | Jan 29 18:02:22 ma3x kernel: Non-DDC laptop panel detected |
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| 19:44.38 | streuner | hard to believe, its even possible not to have 'ldconfig'? |
| 19:44.47 | dusk | im trying to open a program in wine, but its giving me this error |
| 19:44.50 | dusk | Major opcode of failed request: 142 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent) |
| 19:44.55 | ma3x | streuner, can you help me with my problem dude? |
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| 19:45.10 | ma3x | brb |
| 19:45.16 | micekiller | justin: didn't find any suitable bug there, should i file a bug against it? |
| 19:45.31 | Levi- | streuner: well, I get the same error with next package aswell.. libncurses5.postinst |
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| 19:46.33 | streuner | Levi-: ls -l /sbin/ldconfig |
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| 19:47.03 | ma3x | streuner, dude I got fuzzling screen |
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| 19:47.07 | ma3x | streuner, can you help me out |
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| 19:47.51 | Levi- | streuner: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 547560 Nov 13 02:23 /sbin/ldconfig |
| 19:48.08 | jsebara | brazilians or spanish speacking here ?? |
| 19:48.09 | Denyerec | In Fedora there was a Gnome services manager... |
| 19:48.13 | jsebara | brazilians or spanish speacking here ?? |
| 19:48.13 | Denyerec | is there an equivalent in Debian ? |
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| 19:48.40 | ma3x | streuner, kernel: radeonfb: Retreived PLL infos from BIOS Jan 29 19:08:14 ma3x kernel: radeonfb: Reference=14.32 MHz (RefDiv=31) Memory=183.00 Mhz, System=133.00 Mhz kernel: radeonfb: PLL min 12000 max 35000 kernel: Non-DDC laptop panel detected |
| 19:48.52 | namsral | aha |
| 19:48.57 | thingfish | Denyerec: no. you have to use /etc/init.d/<servicename> <action> |
| 19:48.58 | aethera | ok guys why is there no mplayer in the apt-source? |
| 19:49.07 | Denyerec | damnit. |
| 19:49.14 | blondie | because of ameridumb patents |
| 19:49.17 | Denyerec | Howd I get a list of currently active services? |
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| 19:49.40 | aethera | blondie: how would I get it |
| 19:49.40 | aethera | :P |
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| 19:49.49 | gravity | Denyerec: Install gnome-system-tools |
| 19:49.52 | jsebara | Denyerec get to go in console take this command: ps -aux |
| 19:49.53 | gravity | Denyerec: It should be in there |
| 19:49.55 | blondie | dpkg: tell aethera about mplayer |
| 19:49.59 | namsral | Denyerec, try sudo netstat -tln --program |
| 19:49.59 | Denyerec | thanks grav |
| 19:50.03 | Denyerec | netstat! |
| 19:50.05 | Denyerec | love it |
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| 19:50.31 | ma3x | heeeeeeeeeelp |
| 19:50.35 | ma3x | my screen pisses me off |
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| 19:51.03 | Denyerec | still getting an xscreensaver error on login too |
| 19:51.05 | blondie | ma3x: hit it? |
| 19:51.20 | kspath | ma3x: piss on screen? make sure it has power first. |
| 19:51.23 | jsebara | cheat, my brother are using the band of the network! |
| 19:51.31 | jsebara | wait |
| 19:51.39 | ma3x | blondie, I boot, then the following four lines come up and the screen starts fuzzling like on the movies when it got virus |
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| 19:51.49 | ma3x | the four lines are as follow: kernel: radeonfb: Retreived PLL infos from BIOS kernel: radeonfb: Reference=14.32 MHz (RefDiv=31) Memory=183.00 Mhz, System=133.00 Mhz kernel: radeonfb: PLL min 12000 max 35000 kernel: Non-DDC laptop panel detected |
| 19:51.53 | blondie | ma3x: have you run a virus check then? ;) |
| 19:51.55 | Agraj | anyone have sarge/win2k dual boot working? |
| 19:52.00 | ma3x | blondie, come on help me please |
| 19:52.09 | ma3x | blondie, or i'll make ya goldie! :) |
| 19:52.10 | DevilChaos | im having trouble with a module sis900 ethernet card any help? |
| 19:52.10 | blondie | ma3x: I have no idea sorry |
| 19:52.32 | Agraj | grub tries to load win2k but win2k pukes thinking virus on MBR, I'm not sure how to get around this |
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| 19:52.54 | pipeline | Agraj: Uh, that's pretty unusual. |
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| 19:53.09 | pipeline | Agraj: You're going to have to be more specific. I've booted all kinds of things using grub. |
| 19:53.26 | tziku | hello , i'm trying to install php support for apache i installed this: libapache-mod-php4 , php4-mysql , php4-curl , php4-gd . And when i'm trying to acces a php website is giving me to download something (...php don't work). Can somebody help me ? |
| 19:53.48 | gravity | It's taken over half a decade to need a real use case for it, but it's finally here :-) |
| 19:53.53 | streuner | Levi-: Do we need to know? |
| 19:54.02 | pipeline | gravity: I was about to point out that I can't think of a reason you would ever need such a thing :P |
| 19:54.03 | Agraj | pipeline: ok, I've tried many things here. One is to install windows first on first 50 GB of disk, then install sarge on other partitions (created in debian installer) |
| 19:54.06 | ma3x | blondie, ok, at least help me how to describe my problem |
| 19:54.10 | dusk | i know this isnt a deb thing.. but can someone help me with a little wine problem ;p |
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| 19:54.25 | pipeline | Agraj: You want to install windows first. Then you install grub to the mbr. Then you boot windows with grub via "chainloader +1" |
| 19:54.25 | Nopalin | hi everybody |
| 19:54.34 | dusk | im getting a Major opcode of failed request: 142 (GLX) error when i try to run a certain exe |
| 19:54.37 | Agraj | pipeline: windows installs fine, then grub installs fine and detects win2k, gives an option to load it on boot |
| 19:54.43 | pipeline | dusk: You'll have to be a hell of a lot more specific. Also, wine has its own channel if you don't get any help here. |
| 19:54.45 | blondie | ma3x: you already did |
| 19:54.49 | Nopalin | i cant do env-update in gento.. there is some script like that in debian? |
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| 19:54.56 | gravity | pipeline: I need to alter several lines consitently in a file and sed isn't up to the job easily |
| 19:55.01 | gravity | And I don't feel like writing perl for this one |
| 19:55.02 | streuner | Levi-: Do we need to know something more? |
| 19:55.04 | pipeline | dusk: Oh, that's an easy one. You either don't have glx enabled, or you don't have libwine-opengl :P |
| 19:55.07 | dusk | pipeline: well.. Im trying to get some softeware for school running in linux.. its all exe based |
| 19:55.08 | Agraj | pipeline: but win2k complains about a suspicious mbr, tells to check for viruses, and refuses to boot |
| 19:55.10 | ma3x | blondie, I'm gonna take a screenshot, ok? |
| 19:55.23 | Levi- | streuner: what you mean? |
| 19:55.24 | pipeline | Agraj: That's truly bizarre. I guess you'll have to try using a DOS-style mbr and installing grub elsewhere. |
| 19:55.38 | Agraj | gravity: what are you trying to alter |
| 19:55.42 | pipeline | Agraj: the "mbr" package is an ultraminimal bootloader: It just chainloads a DOS partition's bootloader :P |
| 19:55.50 | gravity | Agraj: Debian changelogs |
| 19:56.02 | streuner | Levi-: did you compile libc6 for yourself or are you using some other unofficial sources? |
| 19:56.08 | pipeline | dusk: oh, I'm sorry, the package is "libwine-gl" |
| 19:56.13 | dusk | pipeline: i cant find that package.. and dont know if i have glx on or not.. ah |
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| 19:56.24 | Levi- | no, just using apt-get |
| 19:56.25 | pipeline | dusk: the way you would discover whether glx is enabled is running "glxinfo" |
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| 19:56.39 | clars | What URL do I go to - to read about APACHE2 configuration? |
| 19:56.43 | Levi- | well, perhaps a reinstall will sort it out. |
| 19:56.51 | k31th | Guys i have setup raid1 on Deb, two sata drives every thing seems to work fine... mdo md1 md2 etc are all mounted in fstab are there any raid monitoring tools for linux software raid ? |
| 19:57.00 | k31th | would be great if i had one that detected bad discs ? |
| 19:57.04 | streuner | Levi-: just download libc6 and install it |
| 19:57.21 | Crell | lol. Classic. |
| 19:57.27 | valdyn | k31th: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 19:57.38 | Crell | apt-spy runs and tells me the fastest mirror is ftp.debian.org. How original. |
| 19:57.39 | k31th | valdyn: `thanks |
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| 19:57.53 | pipeline | dusk: If you don't have GLX enabled, it's probably just that you don't have a software GL renderer installed. The relevant package for that would be "xlibmesa-gl" or "xlibmesa-dri" (I don't actually remember which; try the second one :P) |
| 19:58.01 | Crell | I trust it and do an apt-get update, and lo and behold "Couldn't stat source package list, no such file or directory". |
| 19:58.01 | magyar | is there a way to prevent emails to come in for "unix users"? |
| 19:58.05 | valdyn | k31th: your installed mdadm already is being run in monitor mode too by default, check the documentatation to se what exactly its doing |
| 19:58.06 | Crell | Truly classic. |
| 19:58.20 | dusk | pipeline: yea.. rendering is a No |
| 19:58.27 | dusk | i know how to fix that |
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| 19:58.35 | dusk | just curious if thats what was causing wine to yell at me |
| 19:58.40 | pipeline | dusk: nah, rendering being a "no" is fine. If you even get output, that means GLX should be working. It was probably just the libwine-gl thing, then. |
| 19:58.45 | Agraj | pipeline: does the debian installer give me an option to install grub somewhere else though? |
| 19:58.57 | dusk | heh, its still yelling at me then |
| 19:59.06 | pipeline | Agraj: You can use the "grub-installer" script. |
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| 19:59.17 | Denyerec | Hmmm |
| 19:59.17 | pipeline | dusk: Do you have /any/ GL libraries installed? :P |
| 19:59.23 | pipeline | dusk: Did you install the xlibmesa-gl thing? |
| 19:59.27 | Denyerec | gnome-system-tools appears to have installed absolutely nothing. |
| 19:59.30 | pipeline | dusk: You have to restart X to see any changes on that front... |
| 19:59.33 | pipeline | Denyerec: rehash? |
| 19:59.33 | Agraj | pipeline: ok I'll try it thanks |
| 19:59.40 | Denyerec | rehash saywhat |
| 19:59.46 | Denyerec | ? |
| 19:59.52 | pipeline | Denyerec: Never mind. Archaic. |
| 19:59.59 | Denyerec | Hmm. |
| 20:00.00 | DevilChaos | anyone hints for sis900 modules? |
| 20:00.02 | pipeline | Denyerec: You can see exactly what the package contained with dpkg -L |
| 20:00.05 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Hints? |
| 20:00.15 | DevilChaos | help whatever |
| 20:00.36 | DevilChaos | ifconfig not seeing eth1 |
| 20:00.41 | pipeline | DevilChaos: What's your problem? |
| 20:00.50 | valdyn | DevilChaos: 'ifconfig -a' |
| 20:01.15 | DevilChaos | ok now got eth1 |
| 20:01.32 | DevilChaos | how do iget it to load that on boot please? |
| 20:01.44 | valdyn | DevilChaos: how did you load it after boot? |
| 20:01.45 | pipeline | DevilChaos: I believe you just add the module name to /etc/modules |
| 20:01.54 | pipeline | DevilChaos: Are you on sarge or etch? |
| 20:01.59 | Denyerec | Mmm |
| 20:02.10 | Denyerec | it seems to have put SOMETHING in there regarding services |
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| 20:02.22 | pipeline | Denyerec: In any case, you can install the "hotplug" package to get most drivers loaded automatically. |
| 20:02.23 | DevilChaos | etch testing |
| 20:02.24 | Denyerec | usr/share/gnome-system-tools/interfaces/services.glade |
| 20:02.37 | Denyerec | You might be misunderstanding me |
| 20:02.41 | ClayG | is there any way to make grub boot xp , debian, xp , debian |
| 20:02.42 | Denyerec | I just want the GNOME services manager |
| 20:02.45 | ClayG | have it switch each time |
| 20:02.46 | valdyn | Denyerec: dpkg -L gnome-system-tools | grep bin |
| 20:02.46 | drac | pipeline: no hotplug package in testing anymore.. |
| 20:02.47 | Denyerec | so I can see which services are running |
| 20:02.51 | Denyerec | thanks val |
| 20:02.57 | Denyerec | was just looking through the file |
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| 20:03.04 | pipeline | drac: Heh, if he were on etch, he would already have hotplug services via the udev package. |
| 20:03.11 | drac | pipeline: yea |
| 20:03.13 | pipeline | drac: Besides, I think if you attempt to install hotplug, it'll resolve to udev. |
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| 20:03.34 | valdyn | no that is 2 independent packages in etch+ |
| 20:03.54 | valdyn | 2 conflicting even |
| 20:04.35 | ma3x | blondie, let me send you the shot of my screen |
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| 20:05.16 | Denyerec | Mmmm |
| 20:05.21 | Denyerec | There is no services bin file |
| 20:05.26 | thingfish | nope |
| 20:05.35 | Denyerec | network, time, boot and users |
| 20:05.40 | Denyerec | no services manager :/ |
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| 20:06.00 | ma3x | blondie, still there? |
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| 20:06.02 | valdyn | Denyerec: so you are telling us that your gnome-system-tools packages does not contain /usr/bin/services-admin ? |
| 20:06.10 | Denyerec | It appears that way |
| 20:06.16 | thingfish | valdyn: mine does not either. |
| 20:06.20 | DevilChaos | pipeline: what do i do now add sis900 to /etc/modules/ SiS900 no moule found and same with rt18139 |
| 20:06.21 | Denyerec | Let me check with synaptic that it installed it |
| 20:06.34 | valdyn | thingfish: it does in unstable |
| 20:06.35 | pipeline | DevilChaos: The latter has a new name. I think it's 8139too or something. |
| 20:06.44 | pipeline | DevilChaos: As for sis900, I have an sis900 module, so you should as well. |
| 20:06.48 | DevilChaos | ah silly me |
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| 20:07.02 | Denyerec | Hmm. |
| 20:07.04 | thingfish | there is a Services Admin available via the Debian menu, but you get an error trying to use it. |
| 20:07.13 | Denyerec | I have no such entry |
| 20:07.19 | Denyerec | So I have no such error, either. |
| 20:07.20 | DevilChaos | sweet ty |
| 20:07.20 | ma3x | stew, ya there pal? |
| 20:07.22 | thingfish | valdyn: it must not be part of sarge. |
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| 20:07.44 | valdyn | thingfish: yea |
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| 20:08.02 | Denyerec | So... |
| 20:08.07 | Denyerec | Is there a way to get it ? |
| 20:08.11 | thingfish | Denyerec: Applications>Debian Menu>Apps>System>Services Admin |
| 20:08.21 | Denyerec | let me make sure it's not there |
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| 20:08.36 | Denyerec | Yeah it's definately not there. |
| 20:08.44 | Denyerec | the only entry with S is "Synaptic" |
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| 20:09.08 | dani | Ciao ! |
| 20:09.24 | valdyn | !find services-admin |
| 20:09.26 | valdyn | !find services-admin etch |
| 20:09.30 | valdyn | !find services-admin sarge |
| 20:09.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'services-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/services-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/C/services-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/nl/services-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 20:09.59 | pipeline | Denyerec: The menus don't update until you log out and log back in. |
| 20:10.10 | ma3x | valdyn, you buddy, help please |
| 20:10.10 | dani | Io sono Italiano.. |
| 20:10.17 | Denyerec | I loggedout and restarted GD< |
| 20:10.18 | thingfish | !it |
| 20:10.18 | Denyerec | gdm |
| 20:10.18 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:10.20 | Denyerec | maybe I should reboot |
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| 20:10.27 | pipeline | Denyerec: Something I would encourage you to use instead is sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:10.32 | pipeline | Denyerec: It's much simpler :P |
| 20:10.33 | Wyzard | pipeline: They update automatically for me... I'm pretty sure FAM/Gamin take care of that |
| 20:10.41 | pipeline | Wyzard: gamin? |
| 20:10.41 | valdyn | Denyerec: maybe you should learn to setup your services manually. |
| 20:10.48 | Wyzard | pipeline: FAM alternative |
| 20:10.49 | Denyerec | Maybe I should... |
| 20:10.50 | valdyn | Denyerec: instead of using this silly GUI tool |
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| 20:10.59 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
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| 20:11.07 | Denyerec | but before I start pricking around with manual stuff that breaks oh-so-easily I thought I'd inspect things with a Noob-friendly UI |
| 20:11.10 | valdyn | Denyerec: which does the wrong thing anyway |
| 20:11.19 | alexey__ | anyone understands scanners setup here? |
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| 20:11.37 | tarzeau | i'm in fort ludios! this looks really promising |
| 20:11.38 | plb | Anyone else get locale errors on unstable? |
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| 20:11.51 | pipeline | alexey__: http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 20:11.53 | astronut | how do you clear a squid cache? |
| 20:11.58 | pipeline | alexey__: Come back when you have a much more specific question :P |
| 20:12.11 | alexey__ | Are there any scanner backends *besides* Sane ? |
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| 20:12.25 | alexey__ | My scanner, is, unfortunately NOT supported by Sane. |
| 20:12.26 | pipeline | alexey__: Not worth mentioning. |
| 20:12.33 | alexey__ | Am I out of luck ? |
| 20:12.37 | pipeline | alexey__: Then your only bet is to attempt to use TWAIN drivers under wine. And you're probably out of luck. |
| 20:12.41 | xam | astronut: I think with 'squid -z' |
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| 20:13.15 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.15 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.26 | alexey__ | pipeline: All Unixes must use Sane ? (Solaris, FreeBSD, Mac OS X) |
| 20:13.31 | valdyn | !services |
| 20:13.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 20:13.50 | valdyn | Denyerec: look into sysv-rc-conf and sysvconfig or rcconf |
| 20:13.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'services-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/services-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/C/services-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/services-admin/nl/services-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
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| 20:14.27 | alexey__ | pipeline: TWAIN drivers? what's that ? Windows drivers ? |
| 20:15.22 | pipeline | alexey__: Yeah. |
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| 20:15.22 | pipeline | alexey__: Windows' old-style scanner apparatus used userspace programs with raw device access as drivers. |
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| 20:15.22 | pipeline | alexey__: That's probably your best bet after SANE. But it's poorly documented. It's not going to be fun. |
| 20:15.22 | xam | astronut: yes, AFAIK it will just recreate the swap dirs, deleting/overwriting the old cache. At least if squid is being upgraded via apt-get, it usually does a 'squid -z' and it appears the cache is cleared by that |
| 20:15.23 | astronut | ah |
| 20:15.23 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I have two disks: 4 GB ide and 4 GB scsi. When I test them, hdparm -t gives ~12 mB/s and hdparm -T gives ~127 mB/s on IDE disk. On scsi hdparm -t ~ 7mB/s and hdparm -T ~ 492 mB/s. Which drive is better/faster then? I'm confused in this case, does it come out that scsi is slower than ide? |
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| 20:15.46 | ultraviolet16 | I'm compiling my kernel from source and I was wondering if there were any really informative sites about the options in menuconfig.. |
| 20:15.48 | alexey__ | pipeline: How should I setup them ? |
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| 20:16.06 | astronut | 2006/01/29 15:15:17| Squid is already running! Process ID 4714 |
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| 20:16.12 | pipeline | alexey__: I'm not offering any help. That's hellishly unpleasant to do. Consult the wine documentation and prepare to suffer. |
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| 20:16.19 | magyar | is there a way to prevent emails to be received by "unix users"? |
| 20:16.19 | Fujoor | hey guys, can anybody name a good console ftp server? |
| 20:16.23 | Wyzard | hid3: The first number is how fast the drive can read data from the disk itself, and the second is how fast it can send data that's already been read from disk (and is cached in the drive's memory) to the CPU |
| 20:16.28 | alexey__ | wine, OK, then simply use "wine ./scanner-setup.exe" ? |
| 20:16.34 | pipeline | alexey__: And I don't know what OSX does with scanners. Solaris and Debian both use SANE. |
| 20:16.58 | aethera | is there any tutorials on setting up a jsp enviroment on debian? |
| 20:16.58 | alexey__ | pipeline: Thank you very much. |
| 20:16.59 | pipeline | alexey__: I don't know. I haven't done it in many years and I don't ever want to do it again. Read the documentation and pray fervently. |
| 20:17.06 | xam | astronut: you can also make sure it will be cleaned it by deleting /var/cache/squid/* and doing 'squid -z', but as I said I think you don't have to actually delete stuff |
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| 20:17.12 | hid3 | Wyzard: well, in such case, is it worth to migrate a system running on IDE disk to SCSI disk? |
| 20:17.15 | astronut | k |
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| 20:17.27 | l1nux | alexey__, wine support usb device ? |
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| 20:17.38 | astronut | apparently you do |
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| 20:17.49 | pipeline | aethera: Tons. Google. The easiest JSP environment to get up and running is going to be Tomcat. |
| 20:17.56 | Wyzard | hid3: depends on your disk access pattern... whether most of your reads are of data that's already cached, nor not already cached |
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| 20:18.03 | pipeline | aethera: You will, however, want to be using Apache2 and the actual Sun JDK if you use tomcat. Ask dpkg about java. |
| 20:18.24 | pipeline | aethera: err, rather, ask dpkg about "java-package" |
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| 20:18.35 | aethera | rb |
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| 20:19.25 | Denyerec | Argh. |
| 20:19.30 | Denyerec | rcconf works |
| 20:19.35 | Denyerec | but it's not as nice as the GNOME Gui |
| 20:19.43 | DevilChaos | how do turn it off if so? bastille firewall conflict with shorewall? |
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| 20:20.01 | aethera | pitillo: thanks mate I will install tomcat |
| 20:20.03 | Wyzard | DevilChaos: Don't install multiple firewall packages |
| 20:20.04 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 20:20.16 | DevilChaos | remove bastille then? |
| 20:20.26 | valdyn | !bastille |
| 20:20.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bastille is The Bastille Hardening System attempts to "harden" or "tighten" the Linux operating system. Available in Debian unstable. |
| 20:20.28 | Wyzard | DevilChaos: Remove whichever one you don't want to use |
| 20:20.43 | shad0w1e | help! When I install the NVIDIA driver, it works fine until I reboot, then I Notice a "removing NVIDIA TLS Links... on startup", but no "creating NVIDIA TLS Links", and then the NVIDIA driver doesn't work anymore until I reinstall it, when the same thing happens... anyone know how I can fix this? THANKS |
| 20:20.55 | pipeline | shad0w1e: Did you use the nvidia driver? |
| 20:21.03 | aethera | I need to install the Radeon driver |
| 20:21.05 | aethera | brb |
| 20:21.05 | valdyn | shad0w1e: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules, reboot |
| 20:21.05 | pipeline | shad0w1e: Rather, did you use the nvidia-provided installer? |
| 20:21.09 | shad0w1e | pipeline, yes, because the Debian one wouldnt work at ALL! |
| 20:21.10 | DevilChaos | one liner |
| 20:21.11 | pipeline | aethera: The ATI proprietary drivers are horrible. |
| 20:21.20 | aethera | pipeline: so what must I use :( |
| 20:21.22 | pipeline | shad0w1e: Yeah, you fucked up pretty badly. The nvidia installer is utter shit. |
| 20:21.26 | gravity | ma3x: What video driver are you using |
| 20:21.30 | pipeline | aethera: What card do you have? |
| 20:21.32 | DevilChaos | ati is best lol lot easier than nvidia |
| 20:21.37 | ma3x | gravity, radeon |
| 20:21.39 | aethera | radeon 9550 |
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| 20:21.45 | pipeline | aethera: You're pretty screwed, then :( |
| 20:21.49 | aethera | why? |
| 20:21.49 | gravity | ma3x: This only happens when you switch to vt console? |
| 20:22.01 | ma3x | gravity, also on boot after those radeonfb lines |
| 20:22.03 | pipeline | aethera: The open source drivers for that card don't do any GL acceleration. There are people working on better ones, but they don't work very well. |
| 20:22.06 | aethera | I need to play americas army |
| 20:22.09 | DevilChaos | i have radeon 9250 |
| 20:22.11 | pipeline | aethera: And the proprietary drivers are /awful/ |
| 20:22.12 | ma3x | streuner, im already here |
| 20:22.13 | gravity | ma3x: You're using fb? |
| 20:22.15 | Wyzard | The ATI driver is packaged in unstable as fglrx-driver |
| 20:22.17 | pipeline | DevilChaos: The 9250 you can use open source drivers. |
| 20:22.17 | gravity | ma3x: Are you on x86? |
| 20:22.21 | Wyzard | and yes, it's a bit buggy, but it works |
| 20:22.31 | ma3x | gravity, yeah |
| 20:22.33 | pipeline | DevilChaos: So you wouldn't run into the awful, horrible proprietary drivers at all. |
| 20:22.39 | gravity | ma3x: Why are you using fb? |
| 20:22.39 | aethera | pipeline: reason |
| 20:22.42 | Denyerec | where can I find the unstable deb repo then ? |
| 20:22.42 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 20:22.49 | shad0w1e | valdyn, lsmod brings up nvidia. do I still need it in /etc/modules ? |
| 20:22.53 | ma3x | gravity, I don't, it uses it self |
| 20:22.53 | pipeline | aethera: hmm? |
| 20:22.54 | Agraj | hmm if there is a way to tell win2k not to worry about the MBR I can't find it on M$ pages (surprise) |
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| 20:22.56 | Denyerec | I have ftp.uk.debain.org/debian/ set up as my stable repo |
| 20:23.00 | streuner | Denyerec: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:23.02 | aethera | why are they crap? |
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| 20:23.10 | pipeline | aethera: Because ATI doesn't really care about improving them :P |
| 20:23.20 | valdyn | shad0w1e: now after you ran the instealler it does? or does it right after a reboot? |
| 20:23.25 | gravity | ma3x: Could you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log up in a paster for me to look at? |
| 20:23.26 | aethera | pipeline: but they are better then the nvidia ones? |
| 20:23.27 | ma3x | gravity, i don't have the slightest idea what that is |
| 20:23.27 | DevilChaos | its unfortunate |
| 20:23.33 | pipeline | aethera: They're not very stable, you can only have 16 bit color modes, most features of your card just plain don't work :( |
| 20:23.34 | aethera | I need to play americas army demmit |
| 20:23.41 | shad0w1e | valdyn, oh actually it didnt.. but I just dan a modprobe -i. |
| 20:23.45 | ma3x | gravity, sure, hold on. But the blurred screen is not in X, it's in the console only! |
| 20:23.46 | aethera | pipeline: pm? |
| 20:23.47 | pipeline | aethera: Heh, either get an ATI old enough to have open source drivers or get an nvidia card. |
| 20:23.49 | DevilChaos | ati should endevour to amke there product better |
| 20:23.51 | shad0w1e | how about the fact that I Dont get a creating NVIDIA TSL Links? |
| 20:23.52 | ma3x | gravity, should I still paste it for you? |
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| 20:23.56 | pipeline | DevilChaos: It's a small market. |
| 20:24.00 | valdyn | shad0w1e: so add it to /etc/modules as i said and reboot |
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| 20:24.03 | gravity | ma3x: That's fine |
| 20:24.08 | aethera | well I iwll give it a shot anyway |
| 20:24.11 | pipeline | shad0w1e: I suggest you delete as much of the nvidia crap as possible, then force-reinstall the debian packages. |
| 20:24.12 | ma3x | gravity, you mean, not paste it? |
| 20:24.19 | gravity | ma3x: Wait one second... hold on. Let me check something. |
| 20:24.19 | shad0w1e | ok I'll try, thanks valdyn |
| 20:24.26 | ma3x | gravity, sure dude |
| 20:24.30 | shad0w1e | pipeline, the Debian way doesnt work for me |
| 20:24.36 | pipeline | shad0w1e: PEBKAC |
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| 20:24.40 | shad0w1e | I'm running 64 |
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| 20:24.48 | gravity | ma3x: What's the output of /sbin/lsmod | grep fb |
| 20:25.07 | Wyzard | shad0w1e: I'm pretty sure the Debian nVIdia packages do work on AMD64 |
| 20:25.13 | DevilChaos | isnt there a way i can switch bastilles firwall off and still use its hardening for my system and run shorewall for the firewall? |
| 20:25.14 | valdyn | work fine for me |
| 20:25.18 | ma3x | gravity, radeonfb 79264 1 |
| 20:25.21 | ma3x | i2c_algo_bit 8296 1 radeonfb |
| 20:25.21 | ma3x | i2c_core 19280 4 radeonfb,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_ali15x3,i2c_ali1535 |
| 20:25.25 | shad0w1e | I have geforce 6100 |
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| 20:25.33 | streuner | ma3x: no, in paster |
| 20:25.34 | gravity | ma3x: Ok, yeah. You need to not be using radeonfb |
| 20:25.35 | shad0w1e | i think supposedly that isnt supported or something |
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| 20:25.44 | valdyn | ma3x: proprietary gfx drivers typically dont work nicely with fb |
| 20:25.52 | gravity | valdyn: Nor do free ones apparently |
| 20:25.53 | shad0w1e | no clue but I guess I'll try everything again. I'm running 2.6.15 |
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| 20:26.00 | gravity | This is why I hate the fb drivers. Anyway... |
| 20:26.02 | shad0w1e | thanks people, I'm gonna give myself a reboot |
| 20:26.07 | l1nux | night all :) |
| 20:26.08 | Wyzard | shad0w1e: I gave my brother a 6800 for Christmas, to go with the new AMD64 motherboard and processor that my parents gave him, and he runs Debian and didn't seem to have any problems |
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| 20:26.18 | ma3x | gravity, what do we do now? |
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| 20:26.19 | gravity | ma3x: You need to blacklist it somehow. What version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:26.33 | ma3x | gravity, sid |
| 20:26.34 | shad0w1e | well I did... i GOT SOME weird error in modprobe |
| 20:26.39 | shad0w1e | but I gues i can try it again |
| 20:26.42 | valdyn | gravity: he's not using fglrx? |
| 20:26.48 | shad0w1e | thanks ill reboot |
| 20:26.56 | gravity | ma3x: Are you using the proprietary ATI drivers/ |
| 20:27.31 | ma3x | gravity, I think not! But with glx from some famous developer |
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| 20:27.40 | ma3x | gravity, no idea |
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| 20:27.56 | gravity | ma3x: glx from some famous developer? Wtf does that mean? |
| 20:28.07 | gravity | I know there's a few glx's out there, but geez |
| 20:28.21 | sewi | which packge is responsible for docking aps to tray in kde? I installed debian sarge on a new PC and kde doesnt add apps to tray, why? |
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| 20:28.21 | duhast | Ciao sono italiano |
| 20:28.30 | bbrazil | !it |
| 20:28.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:28.32 | ZiDaNe | how to install and configure a TFT Screen ? |
| 20:28.44 | ZiDaNe | on etch |
| 20:28.52 | valdyn | !drxx ZiDaNe |
| 20:28.53 | dpkg | ZiDaNe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 20:28.55 | DevilChaos | Wyzard: cant i switch the firewall function in bastille off? |
| 20:29.01 | ma3x | gravity, how do I exactly check? |
| 20:29.09 | Wyzard | DevilChaos: I dunno, check the Bastille docs |
| 20:29.12 | Wyzard | DevilChaos: I don't use it |
| 20:29.12 | ZiDaNe | valdyn it doesn't work |
| 20:29.16 | ZiDaNe | tried it many times |
| 20:29.16 | valdyn | ma3x: lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 20:29.20 | gravity | ma3x: Ok... wtf did you mean when you said glx was from some famous developer? |
| 20:29.20 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 20:29.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 20:29.25 | Fraze | Help ! I'm using sarge, and I've mistakenly delete the /dev/dsp file.. now I'm having somtimes problems hearing music in the computer.. what can i do? |
| 20:29.29 | Denyerec | Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:29.29 | ma3x | valdyn, nothing comes up |
| 20:29.32 | eleftherios | is anyone here using an ATI X600 with sarge _without_ using the proprietary ATI driver? I choose "ati" in XFree86 and X does not work while with "vesa" I can't go up to 1280x800 |
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| 20:29.34 | Denyerec | now I have the services menu item |
| 20:29.37 | Denyerec | but it errors when I run it. |
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| 20:29.47 | Denyerec | failled to launch /usr/bin/services-admin |
| 20:29.50 | Denyerec | no such file or dir |
| 20:29.51 | valdyn | eleftherios: X -version |
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| 20:29.57 | azeem | eleftherios: it is likely that this card is not supported by sarge's xfree86 |
| 20:30.06 | ma3x | hey I just tried glxinfo |
| 20:30.10 | ma3x | and it says direct rendering: No |
| 20:30.10 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.10 | djief | Hi, I just broke my system running 'cleanlinks' as root from / . I could repair most of the mess, but I can't get dpkg to work again. I always get that error : -root@djief -:/home/djief# dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:30.10 | djief | Can't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure line 8. |
| 20:30.11 | djief | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure line 8. |
| 20:30.11 | djief | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.23 | eleftherios | valdyn, 4.3.0.1 |
| 20:30.31 | Wyzard | Fraze: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV dsp |
| 20:30.34 | gravity | ma3x: Answer my question please |
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| 20:30.39 | drac | eleftherios: backports.org and get X.org, it's "radeon" driver supports your card. |
| 20:30.49 | eleftherios | azeem, perhaps |
| 20:30.58 | streuner | djief: well, you need a missing perl module |
| 20:31.03 | ma3x | gravity, I see now that glx is not working. forget that famous dev. |
| 20:31.04 | drac | eleftherios: "man radeon" would show supported cards. |
| 20:31.06 | valdyn | ati will just load radeon too anyway, so that part is ok |
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| 20:31.14 | gravity | ma3x: I'm not going to forget it. Did you fuck with your glx? |
| 20:31.23 | eleftherios | drac, yes I had it working with X.org |
| 20:31.23 | djief | Hi, I just broke my system running 'cleanlinks' as root from / . I could repair most of the mess, but I can't get dpkg to work again. I always get that error : |
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| 20:31.29 | gravity | ma3x: That's kind of important. |
| 20:31.30 | eleftherios | drac, I'll do that |
| 20:31.33 | djief | Can't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure line 8. |
| 20:31.35 | valdyn | djief: reinstall |
| 20:31.36 | eleftherios | thank you all :-) |
| 20:31.41 | djief | Does anyone know how to fix that ? thanks |
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| 20:32.03 | azeem | eleftherios: there's an xorg backport for sarge on www.backports.org |
| 20:32.05 | streuner | djief: How did you _manage_ to get that mess? |
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| 20:32.15 | ma3x | gravity, i didnt fuck with glx, no. but last time I did apt-get upgrade, i think it upgraded those glx stuff |
| 20:32.16 | djief | ok valdyn :), it's just that I don't have a CD right now. and I wanted to know if there was an alternative. But thanks anyway |
| 20:32.17 | buu | Simple question and all, but when I get "ii azureus 2.3.0.6-1 BitTorrent client" from dpkg, the number is the actual version of the azureus program, not the version of the package or what not? |
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| 20:32.27 | gravity | Ok... |
| 20:32.44 | gravity | ma3x: You need to prevent udev from loading the radeonfb module when you reboot |
| 20:32.52 | azeem | buu: the -1 is the version of the package |
| 20:32.54 | gravity | ma3x: You may need to reconfigure Xorg as well |
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| 20:32.58 | djief | streuner: what d'you mean ? |
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| 20:33.00 | azeem | buu: the rest is the version of azureus |
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| 20:33.02 | gravity | !blacklist |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | i guess blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:33.05 | drac | ma3x: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 20:33.07 | Wyzard | buu: The 2.3.0.6 is the version of the program, and the -1 is the version of the package based on it |
| 20:33.19 | valdyn | buu: the first version ( 2.3.0.6 ) is the software release upstream, everything after the - is the debian 'sub' version |
| 20:33.25 | buu | Anyone else? |
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| 20:33.32 | azeem | buu: ? |
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| 20:33.35 | buu | Anyway, thanks. |
| 20:33.36 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 20:33.39 | ma3x | gravity, I don't have udev! |
| 20:33.45 | jetscreamer | amd geode nx == sempron? |
| 20:33.47 | streuner | djief: ok, i just scrolled up and see it now |
| 20:33.48 | ma3x | gravity, should I just blacklist it? |
| 20:33.49 | zebalin4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.54 | gravity | wtf |
| 20:34.01 | gravity | ma3x: How is it getting loaded then? |
| 20:34.07 | ma3x | drac, where do I put that line? |
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| 20:34.10 | azeem | hotplug maybe, or discover |
| 20:34.17 | ma3x | gravity, no bloody idea :( |
| 20:34.23 | Denyerec | Godverdomme... |
| 20:34.24 | bucky | zebalin4, /join #kanotix |
| 20:34.24 | jetscreamer | yes kanotix could do that |
| 20:34.25 | gravity | ma3x: Do you have hotplug installed? Or discover? |
| 20:34.27 | valdyn | ma3x: a custom kernel? |
| 20:34.33 | jetscreamer | /join #kanotix |
| 20:34.36 | drac | ma3x: type that in terminal, in bash.. in X.. as normal user.. you'll get output with errors. |
| 20:34.40 | gravity | jetscreamer: ? |
| 20:34.41 | ma3x | gravity, both |
| 20:34.46 | Denyerec | gnome-system-tools doesn't include /bin/gnome-services |
| 20:34.47 | gravity | ma3x: Ok, blacklist it for both |
| 20:34.47 | ma3x | valdyn, no custom kernel |
| 20:34.52 | jetscreamer | amd geode nx == sempron? gravity? |
| 20:35.03 | gravity | ma3x: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:35.03 | streuner | no |
| 20:35.07 | streuner | !k7 |
| 20:35.07 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 20:35.10 | zebalin4 | I'm on #kanotix. Posted there, but no one answered. Thought someone here might know. Obviously not. |
| 20:35.15 | valdyn | Denyerec: sure not, if anything it would be /usr/bin/services-admin |
| 20:35.23 | ma3x | gravity, and then will the glx work again? |
| 20:35.28 | Denyerec | Thats what I looked for, sorry. |
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| 20:35.38 | gravity | ma3x: Dude, I don't know what you've done to glx but I'm trying to fix your stupid fb problem first |
| 20:35.40 | Denyerec | It has an entry on the applications menu |
| 20:35.40 | zebalin4 | Also, #kanotix is 99.9% pure debian sid. so what is your problem? |
| 20:35.43 | Denyerec | but I get an error when I click it. |
| 20:35.47 | Denyerec | "file not found" |
| 20:35.49 | streuner | jetscreamer: Sempron is a cheap Athlon, just google for that |
| 20:35.51 | Fraze | Wyzard: It says don't know how to make device "dsp" |
| 20:35.54 | gravity | zebalin4: Then why not run 100% sid? |
| 20:35.54 | Denyerec | failled to launch /usr/bin/services-admin |
| 20:36.34 | jetscreamer | streuner: no i'm asking about the geode part. no biggie. |
| 20:36.34 | valdyn | Denyerec: #kanotix |
| 20:36.37 | jetscreamer | hmm so linspire is debian based |
| 20:36.38 | ma3x | gravity, ok, let me blacklist it |
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| 20:36.48 | Wyzard | Fraze: Try "./MAKEDEV audio" |
| 20:36.59 | zebalin4 | gravity: I do. I am running kanotix using a 2.6.15-1 'test' kernel as a favor to Kano to give it a good kick. Does sid have a boot livecd yet? |
| 20:37.02 | streuner | jetscreamer: no, they just use debian mirrors ;-) |
| 20:37.23 | gravity | zebalin4: No one's bothered to make one |
| 20:37.25 | jetscreamer | streuner: i tried dselect on a box at frys. segfault :o |
| 20:37.29 | Fraze | Wyzard: Oh! It know created it back.. |
| 20:37.35 | Fraze | Wyzard: I hope it works.. thanks |
| 20:37.35 | Denyerec | Mmm. |
| 20:37.38 | gravity | Given that sid changes daily, it's kind of stupid |
| 20:37.38 | Denyerec | Looks interesting |
| 20:37.46 | ma3x | gravity, time to reboot and see the difference. stand/by! |
| 20:37.51 | Denyerec | Though I'd rather simply get services-admin to work |
| 20:38.01 | zebalin4 | gravity: kanotix is quite good. I can't tell differerence between it and my sid partition (in KDE). |
| 20:38.02 | Denyerec | Seems rather daft that it won't / doesn't |
| 20:38.06 | jetscreamer | but, that's what this replacement box comes with. (and the geode nx) |
| 20:38.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:38.09 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:38.29 | jetscreamer | the bad news: i have to put windows. the good news is i can keep the linspire. |
| 20:38.31 | eleftherios | drac, could you please tell me what's the name of the package I need for xorg? On etch it is xserver-xorg I think but I am lost in the backports.org packages :-) |
| 20:38.41 | gravity | eleftherios: x-window-system |
| 20:38.44 | Fraze | Welp.. no i gues.. audacity says: "there was an error initiliazing the audio i/o layer" |
| 20:38.51 | jetscreamer | well at least i'm getting paid for it |
| 20:38.52 | streuner | jetscreamer: that's pretty OT here |
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| 20:38.59 | azeem | eleftherios: xserver-xorg |
| 20:39.08 | gravity | azeem: That won't give him the whole thing |
| 20:39.09 | Wyzard | Fraze: Lack of permission for /dev/dsp maybe? |
| 20:39.14 | gravity | And will only cause problems |
| 20:39.16 | azeem | gravity: he can upgrade the rest |
| 20:39.19 | buu | !info azureus |
| 20:39.24 | azeem | eleftherios: it's in x/xorg-x11 |
| 20:39.25 | buu | No? |
| 20:39.25 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4921 kB, Installed size: 5572 kB |
| 20:39.28 | Fraze | Wyzard: what premission should it be? |
| 20:39.28 | gravity | azeem: Yeah, upgrading x-window-system to the backports one will do it |
| 20:39.40 | eleftherios | gravity, I have X, I just need X.org |
| 20:39.40 | azeem | gravity: ok, cool |
| 20:39.42 | gravity | I've seen too many broken partial upgrades to xorg |
| 20:39.48 | buu | Ok, how do I file a bug/suggestion against azureus? |
| 20:39.48 | gravity | eleftherios: I understand this |
| 20:39.54 | Wyzard | Fraze: 660, which it probably already is |
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| 20:40.02 | Wyzard | Fraze: Is your account in the "audio" group? |
| 20:40.04 | Fraze | Wyzard: It is like this.. |
| 20:40.10 | Fraze | hmm.. one sec.. |
| 20:40.11 | azeem | buu: reportbug |
| 20:40.17 | eleftherios | gravity, oh, I apologise I thought you were under the impression that I have no X at all :-) |
| 20:40.25 | Wyzard | Fraze: Run "groups" from a prompt |
| 20:40.46 | eleftherios | gravity, so for a complete upgrade to X from backports you suggest I use x-window-system? |
| 20:40.47 | Fraze | Wyzard: yes, the account is there.. |
| 20:40.52 | gravity | eleftherios: Yes |
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| 20:41.03 | pipeline | Where can I find a non-gcj eclipse? |
| 20:41.05 | gravity | eleftherios: You need to be sure it's pulling down version 6.x, not 4.x |
| 20:41.10 | Wyzard | Fraze: "ls -l /dev/dsp" and paste that |
| 20:41.10 | gravity | eleftherios: If it's 4.x, it's still xfree86 |
| 20:41.23 | eleftherios | gravity, how can I make usre it is pulling 6 then? |
| 20:41.32 | gravity | eleftherios: In which case apt is using the wrong source by default. The instructions on backports.org will tell you how to configure apt if that happens |
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| 20:41.38 | abrotman | pipeline: eclipse.org ? |
| 20:41.45 | gravity | eleftherios: Uh... look at it? I dunno, doesn't apt-get tell you the version like aptitude does? |
| 20:41.46 | pipeline | abrotman: Surely there's a more elegant solution? :P |
| 20:41.47 | Wyzard | pipeline: Install Sun Java and put "JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun" in ~/.eclipse/eclipserc |
| 20:41.48 | Fraze | Wyzard: Note that from root it works.. |
| 20:41.52 | eleftherios | gravity, I have followed the instruction form there :-) |
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| 20:42.01 | Fraze | rw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-01-29 22:42 /dev/dsp |
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| 20:42.08 | eleftherios | gravity, I should be ok, thank you :-) |
| 20:42.08 | pipeline | Wyzard: Heh, how does that handle the part where the eclipse packages pull in gcj ? |
| 20:42.08 | Fraze | And i'm in group audio |
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| 20:42.15 | gravity | eleftherios: You're welcome. Good luck! |
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| 20:42.22 | ma3x | gravity, it works nice now (the console). The direct rendering = still no |
| 20:42.22 | abrotman | did you logout/login after adding yourself to the audio group ? |
| 20:42.33 | Wyzard | pipeline: It doesn't, but when you run Eclipse, it'll use the Sun stuff rather than GCJ |
| 20:42.39 | Fraze | abrotman: I didn't add myself.. I was there before |
| 20:42.40 | gravity | ma3x: Post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a paster and I'll look at it |
| 20:42.48 | abrotman | is this ubuntu ? |
| 20:42.48 | gravity | ma3x: What type of radeon do you have? |
| 20:43.00 | pipeline | Wyzard: Oh, cool beans. |
| 20:43.18 | zenwryly | If I lose network connectivity it takes forever for an ssh connection to realize this fact. Is there any ways to shorten this? |
| 20:43.24 | ma3x | gravity, radeon IGP345M |
| 20:43.37 | jetscreamer | hey what's a SIGHUP |
| 20:43.47 | gravity | ma3x: Ok, you may have to switch your mesa package for that. Let me look at your log first |
| 20:43.48 | abrotman | hangup |
| 20:43.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 20:44.00 | abrotman | man kill might say more |
| 20:44.02 | gau | hoello all |
| 20:44.14 | gau | how do i turn on multimedia keyboard in xorg ? |
| 20:44.17 | jetscreamer | heh i'm just playing with the distro |
| 20:44.28 | gau | and is there some info on xbd somewhere ? |
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| 20:44.36 | Wyzard | pipeline: FYI, if ~/.eclipse/eclipserc doesn't exist, it checks each of the paths listed in /etc/eclipse/eclipserc and uses the first one it finds |
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| 20:44.47 | gravity | gau: One sec... |
| 20:44.56 | jetscreamer | coool it seems to have grub set to automatically redetect & configure on boot |
| 20:44.59 | Wyzard | pipeline: (which currently will always be the first one due to the dependency, but I think that dependency is a packaging quirk that will probably go away in the future) |
| 20:45.06 | pipeline | Wyzard: Thanks a lot. GCJ is sloooow. :P |
| 20:45.07 | gau | gravity: k |
| 20:45.09 | gravity | gau: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2006/01/24/0 |
| 20:45.15 | gau | gravity: tnx |
| 20:45.16 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hi... anybody know how to get the output of a terminal command (apt-get) in english so someone here can help me? (I'm native spanish-speaker) |
| 20:45.22 | gravity | gau: Try that. Hopefully it'll help. I can't provide much more than that though, sorry |
| 20:45.26 | ma3x | gravity, you want the X.log ? |
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| 20:45.31 | pipeline | Wyzard: And yes, I imagine it is just a quirk. It seems that most other java software in apt plays nice with various JRE/JDK options. |
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| 20:45.32 | valdyn | x-[Kaiser]-x: LC_ALL=C apt-get foo |
| 20:45.39 | gravity | ma3x: /var/log/Xorg.0.lg |
| 20:45.55 | x-[Kaiser]-x | valdyn, thanks, if I need to revert it how it would be? |
| 20:46.02 | Wyzard | pipeline: sorry, I meant /etc/eclipse/java_home, not /etc/eclipse/eclipserc |
| 20:46.08 | gravity | gau: Also see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=12929#12929 |
| 20:46.13 | valdyn | x-[Kaiser]-x: just skip the LC_ALL=C thing |
| 20:46.19 | ma3x | gravity it's too big, is there easy way to paste it in pastebin.com so that I don't have to scroll 20 times? |
| 20:46.48 | dvs | ma3x: Upload the file? |
| 20:46.52 | gravity | ma3x: Yes, of course put it in a paster |
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| 20:47.03 | x-[Kaiser]-x | oh, thanks |
| 20:47.21 | gravity | ma3x: /topic |
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| 20:48.32 | eleftherios | gravity, do you know how do I reocnfigure it? It downloaded 181k (it was version 6) and then dpkg couldn't invoke dialog because I was using a small xterm window. dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system returns silently :-/ |
| 20:48.51 | sylvisj | eleftherios: dpkg-reconfigure xwindow-xfree86/xorg |
| 20:49.04 | ma3x | dvs, where can I upload the file? |
| 20:49.09 | gravity | eleftherios: Only 181k? It didn't pull down everything then. You need to make it pull down all the latest versions. |
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| 20:49.24 | gravity | ma3x: Just put it in a pastebin please |
| 20:49.30 | bucky | Toy Story 3 Scrapped :0 strong clue that the Pixar guys are firmly in control at Disney - steve jobs hates debian |
| 20:49.30 | eleftherios | gravity, hm :-/ |
| 20:49.32 | gravity | ma3x: I don't care where you put it, just do it now |
| 20:49.46 | ma3x | gravity, ok, hold on, it's big 27 pages. patience please |
| 20:49.57 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Okay, I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/529265 after I made an "apt-get remove --purge wine" and wanted to reinstall again. in the wine channel that's out of their hands, and I don't know how to force apt-get to get the 0.9.1 at least... any ideas? |
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| 20:49.59 | gravity | ugh... ctrl-a ctrl-c? |
| 20:50.10 | gravity | select all is a wonderful command |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | it's too hard! |
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| 20:50.30 | gravity | let's go shopping! |
| 20:50.34 | ma3x | :) |
| 20:50.36 | abrotman | get me sox tix! |
| 20:50.37 | ma3x | hey i forgot that |
| 20:50.42 | eleftherios | gravity, it pulled x-window-system 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3bpo1 [181kB] |
| 20:50.46 | gau | gravity: tnx that's just excellent info |
| 20:50.50 | ma3x | the thing is i open it always with pico |
| 20:50.53 | eleftherios | gravity, but just that |
| 20:50.54 | gravity | gau: Good, I hope it helps |
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| 20:50.58 | ma3x | so there you can't select all!? |
| 20:51.02 | StereoSkit | hi dudes, im upgrading from stable to testing and i get to a point where udev requires udev and depends of udev, i see i need to install 2.6.12-1 kernel but its imposible, any suggestion on this? |
| 20:51.06 | dvs | ma3x: Try pastebin.ca instead |
| 20:51.06 | azeem | ma3x: oh well |
| 20:51.14 | gravity | ma3x: Maybe you should use a better editor? kedit even? |
| 20:51.21 | abrotman | StereoSkit: download manually . install |
| 20:51.32 | gravity | eleftherios: Did you set your apt preferences in the instructions? |
| 20:51.38 | valdyn | StereoSkit: why is that impossible |
| 20:51.39 | gravity | eleftherios: That part may be important |
| 20:51.55 | StereoSkit | abrotman: i see, dpkg -i linux-image |
| 20:51.56 | ma3x | gravity, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1691 |
| 20:52.04 | StereoSkit | k, ill do so, tnx |
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| 20:52.41 | gravity | eleftherios: Actually, looking at their instructions, you may have to pin a lot of packages that way... I'm not entirely sure how to do that |
| 20:53.38 | eleftherios | gravity, according to their instructions if the pakage requires additional backports it is better to skip the preferences part and use "-t sarge-backports" on the apt-get command |
| 20:53.45 | eleftherios | gravity, which I did |
| 20:53.48 | eleftherios | :-/ |
| 20:53.53 | gravity | ma3x: What does '/sbin/lsmod | grep drm' say? |
| 20:54.02 | azeem | eleftherios: yeah, but x-window-system apparently has no versioned Depends |
| 20:54.07 | gravity | ouch |
| 20:54.08 | ma3x | gravity, rm 64532 2 radeon |
| 20:54.08 | ma3x | agpgart 31400 2 drm,ati_agp |
| 20:54.12 | gravity | Ok, not as easy as I thought |
| 20:54.24 | ma3x | grav i missed *d* |
| 20:54.42 | drac | ma3x: you got ATi motherboard? |
| 20:54.44 | gravity | ma3x: Do you have /dev/drm/card0 at all? |
| 20:54.58 | ma3x | ls: /dev/drm/card0: No such file or directory |
| 20:55.04 | drac | ma3x: ati_agp is for motherboard manufactered by ATi |
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| 20:55.06 | azeem | ma3x: why don't you use udev? |
| 20:55.12 | valdyn | eleftherios: put default release to sarge as they tell you on that site and apt-get -t sarge-backports install x-window-system-core should just get X stuff from backports |
| 20:55.14 | ma3x | drac, I forgot what the motherboard was, let me check |
| 20:55.21 | ma3x | azeem, don't wanna bother with udev |
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| 20:55.27 | azeem | ma3x: right |
| 20:55.29 | gravity | eleftherios: Ok, try and install xserver-xorg and see how it goes. |
| 20:55.30 | drac | ma3x: lspci | grep AGP |
| 20:55.34 | bucky | what a mess.. and no screens |
| 20:55.40 | ma3x | drac, 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS200/RS200M AGP Bridge [IGP 340M] (rev 02) |
| 20:55.45 | Woody^working | Does somebody have experience with uml ? |
| 20:55.48 | drac | ma3x: oh it's right then.. |
| 20:55.48 | deadcat | azeem: then let him be the hero |
| 20:55.51 | gravity | ma3x: Ok, that's why. DRI can't open a path to the hardware |
| 20:55.56 | drac | ma3x: are you trying X.org or XFree86? |
| 20:56.03 | metaperl | I plugged in my dvd-rw drive and /var/log/messages said the following: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cKYGjd97.html # how do I play the DVD in this drive right now? |
| 20:56.10 | azeem | drac: x.org, as seen on pastebin |
| 20:56.13 | Woody^working | I mean UserMode Linux, not Unified Moddeling Language |
| 20:56.17 | drac | azeem: sorry missed it |
| 20:56.17 | bucky | Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 20:56.29 | eleftherios | gravity, azeem thank you :-) |
| 20:56.31 | azeem | ma3x: you'll have to make up the device yourself then |
| 20:56.39 | ma3x | drac, no, I got X.org |
| 20:56.58 | gravity | ma3x: I don't know where your card0 is at, but you have to make sure it's present somehow. |
| 20:57.10 | ma3x | gravity, how do I make the device? |
| 20:57.14 | gravity | ma3x: DRI needs to be able to talk to the hardware |
| 20:57.17 | azeem | ma3x: udev does that |
| 20:57.19 | azeem | hahahaha |
| 20:57.22 | gravity | ma3x: I don't know. udev does it for me automagically |
| 20:57.25 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Okay, I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/529265 after I made an "apt-get remove --purge wine" and wanted to reinstall again. in the wine channel that's out of their hands, and I don't know how to force apt-get to get the 0.9.1 at least... any ideas? |
| 20:57.30 | azeem | 21:50 < azeem> ma3x: you'll have to make up the device yourself then |
| 20:57.36 | gravity | ma3x: MAKEDEV should be able to, or you'll have to make the device by hand |
| 20:57.51 | drac | ma3x: ls -l /dev/dri/card0 |
| 20:57.57 | ma3x | gravity, but if I install udev, hotplug will be gone. I don't want that! |
| 20:57.58 | drac | ma3x: not /dev/drm/card0 |
| 20:57.59 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: what version of debian ? |
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| 20:58.15 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Sarge 3.1 |
| 20:58.21 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 20:58.21 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: and paste your sources.list as well |
| 20:58.23 | ma3x | drac, crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 226, 0 2006-01-29 21:46 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 20:58.27 | x-[Kaiser]-x | yep abrotman |
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| 20:58.31 | valdyn | ma3x: udev contains every functionality of hotplug, you dont need hotplug |
| 20:58.31 | gravity | Ah crap. Ok... interesting. |
| 20:58.33 | x-[Kaiser]-x | sure azeem |
| 20:58.36 | gravity | So it's there but there's nothing to read |
| 20:58.38 | gravity | drac: Good call |
| 20:58.39 | drac | ma3x: there it is. now.. can you pastebin result of this command: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 20:58.39 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: paste your sources somewhere |
| 20:58.40 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:58.40 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 20:58.47 | drac | gravity: ta |
| 20:59.05 | azeem | gravity: that's /dev/dri, not /dev/drm, aren't those destinct? |
| 20:59.18 | eleftherios | if I install xserver-xorg it will remove the whole of gnome :-/ |
| 20:59.22 | gravity | azeem: I don't think there's both, just the one. I botched it. |
| 20:59.39 | valdyn | eleftherios: how many packages? |
| 20:59.42 | ma3x | drac, http://pastebin.com/529279 |
| 20:59.43 | gravity | ma3x: Your logfile says DRI is enabled. Are you sure glxinfo says it's not? |
| 20:59.46 | azeem | ah, right |
| 21:00.09 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/529280 |
| 21:00.12 | ma3x | gravity, see the output on pastebin |
| 21:00.16 | De_Mon | Awww crap. I modified an init.d/ script and now the program doesn't background and the machine never enters multi-user mode... |
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| 21:00.22 | zenwryly | is there a way to adjust the tcp timeout settings on a laptop so that dropped wifi connections don't freeze things for as long? |
| 21:00.26 | drac | gravity: this is why.. http://pastebin.com/529279 |
| 21:00.34 | eleftherios | valdyn, 16 packages to remove |
| 21:00.35 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: apt-get update;apt-get install wine |
| 21:00.41 | valdyn | De_Mon: try ctrl-c? |
| 21:00.44 | metaperl | I plugged in my optical usb 2.0 dvd-rw drive and /var/log/messages said the following: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cKYGjd97.html # how do I play the DVD in this drive right now? |
| 21:00.57 | drac | ma3x: can you also pastebin this: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep -i mesa |
| 21:01.00 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: and you'd probably be wise to uncomment the security line |
| 21:01.22 | valdyn | eleftherios: how are you trying to install that xserver-xorg ? just with dpkg -i ? |
| 21:01.23 | gravity | His IGP shouldn't be an r300, right? |
| 21:01.25 | De_Mon | valdyn yeah... I gotta dig up a null-modem cable to do that :/ anything I can do to force stuff like that to timeout in the future? |
| 21:01.27 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, well if I didn't, it would update like crazy and then crash it all =P |
| 21:01.28 | drac | gravity: nah |
| 21:01.36 | ma3x | drac http://pastebin.com/529287 |
| 21:01.37 | azeem | oh, Ove Kaaven is doing a lot of wine uploads again recently |
| 21:01.39 | drac | gravity: those IGP 320/340's are old cards.. |
| 21:01.40 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: so you're saying . you're avoiding security updates? |
| 21:01.40 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, I get the same error |
| 21:01.43 | De_Mon | or allow ssh in even though it's "still booting" |
| 21:01.43 | gravity | drac: Yeah |
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| 21:01.51 | gravity | DRI is enabled though |
| 21:01.52 | justin | metaperl: withone of the various programs that plays dvds |
| 21:01.57 | eleftherios | valdyn: apt-get -t sarge-backports install xserver-xorg |
| 21:02.00 | valdyn | De_Mon: a hardware watchdog sure |
| 21:02.02 | x-[Kaiser]-x | well, I updated it manually through synaptic |
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| 21:02.04 | gravity | At least according to http://channels.debian.net/paste/1691 |
| 21:02.11 | metaperl | justin: but I am getting /dev/hdc errors. why? |
| 21:02.13 | drac | DRI is enabled by X server but client libraries (= Mesa) is giving a hard time. |
| 21:02.21 | gravity | Right... hrm. |
| 21:02.25 | De_Mon | valdyn heh, yah... |
| 21:02.27 | valdyn | eleftherios: try apt-get -t sarge-backports install x-window-system-core |
| 21:02.30 | metaperl | justin: it may be the usb hub... things are not playing right thru my usb hub these days for some reason |
| 21:02.34 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: because it's been moved to a security update because it was insecure .. so you can eithe rinstall security updates and get wine .. or not have it at all |
| 21:02.38 | drac | ma3x: apt-get install xlibmesa-dri |
| 21:02.39 | justin | metaperl: could be |
| 21:02.46 | eleftherios | valdyn, ok, I will try that |
| 21:03.01 | azeem | eleftherios: or apt-cache show x-window-system, and apt-get -t sarge-backports install <all-depends> |
| 21:03.03 | x-[Kaiser]-x | okay.... so I uncomment that line from the sources, and do apt-get update ? |
| 21:03.09 | abrotman | yep |
| 21:03.15 | x-[Kaiser]-x | kay :D |
| 21:03.19 | ma3x | drac, installing...... I'll reboot after that and let you know if it gets enabled |
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| 21:03.26 | valdyn | eleftherios: apt-get ( sometimes ) can chose to remove packages _instead_ of installing new ones, im not sure when and why though |
| 21:03.27 | gravity | ma3x: You only need to restart X |
| 21:03.27 | abrotman | i don't know why security updates would screw up your machine |
| 21:03.28 | drac | ma3x: You don't even need to restart X server. |
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| 21:03.33 | gravity | Oh... duh |
| 21:03.33 | drac | ma3x: just see glxinfo again, after apt-get. |
| 21:03.34 | gravity | Of course |
| 21:03.41 | ma3x | drac, ok |
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| 21:03.51 | gravity | I need to go back to work, drac's got this covered :-) |
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| 21:03.56 | abrotman | work? |
| 21:03.59 | abrotman | it's sunday! |
| 21:04.08 | ma3x | gravity, I know but I installed acx for my wlan, so just to make sure everything goes smooth, I'll give it a shot |
| 21:04.09 | drac | gravity: heh. have phun :) |
| 21:04.10 | aethera | I am trying to isntall the ati driver |
| 21:04.10 | gravity | Welcome to my life |
| 21:04.12 | eleftherios | valdyn, the last apt works, it only removed xlibmesa-glu |
| 21:04.17 | aethera | but it tells me it can not find gcc |
| 21:04.22 | aethera | what package must I install? |
| 21:04.25 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, okay, I did, and I get the same exact error message :( |
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| 21:04.35 | ma3x | direct rendering: Yes |
| 21:04.36 | valdyn | eleftherios: that's ok, i thin its replaced in xorg, gravity will know |
| 21:04.39 | StereoSkit | omg, p.d.o is down, and i need linux-image 2.6.12 to get my system updated :( |
| 21:04.39 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: apt-cache show wine |
| 21:04.45 | ma3x | drac, gravity YEAH! |
| 21:04.49 | abrotman | StereoSkit: omg .. use ftp! |
| 21:04.58 | aethera | ´/bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found |
| 21:04.59 | drac | ma3x: nice one. |
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| 21:05.08 | drac | aethera: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:05.10 | ilba7r | any one know of a pdf editor under linux. I need to edit pdf files that have graphics in them for review purposes |
| 21:05.25 | gravity | eleftherios: Yeah, the new package should be libglu1-xorg |
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| 21:05.32 | valdyn | eleftherios: are you using the nvidia or ati proprietary driver btw? |
| 21:05.37 | gravity | All the xorg versions of mesa will be going away in a few weeks anyway |
| 21:05.45 | Pedro420 | nvz: Nandrew ? |
| 21:05.48 | bucky | aethera, apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:06.05 | cr3 | asg: if you happen to be around, I have decided to go for xml to maintain my address book. |
| 21:06.23 | x-[Kaiser]-x | azeem: http://pastebin.com/529298 |
| 21:06.24 | aethera | thanks guys |
| 21:06.40 | aethera | any jsp channels on this server? |
| 21:07.08 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: maybe that unofficial winehq version screws things up |
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| 21:07.13 | eleftherios | valdyn, no proprietary drivers here. That was the whole point of installing X.org from backports. So that I can get 1280x800 on my laptop using ATI X600 without a proprietary driver |
| 21:07.19 | eleftherios | restarting X |
| 21:07.21 | eleftherios | brb |
| 21:07.22 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: try apt-get install wine=0.0.20050310-1.2 |
| 21:07.25 | danieldg | I'm having some problems with imapd; it hangs when I do a SELECT INBOX. from strace, I think this has something to do with fam |
| 21:07.38 | x-[Kaiser]-x | ok that works |
| 21:08.03 | Oryn | has anyone noticed system instability when using udev over hotplug? |
| 21:09.03 | x-[Kaiser]-x | azeem, what is the version older than the latest one then? in apt-get? |
| 21:09.04 | fabiolinux | hi evereyone! How can I install this file: "j2re-1_3_1_17-linux-i586.bin_File_j2re-1_3_1_17-linux-i586.bin"? Doing ./j2re-1_3_1_17-linux-i586.bin_File_j2re-1_3_1_17-linux-i586.bin it only create a directory on my PC...hmmm! |
| 21:09.05 | Oryn | valdyn: I'm running the ati fglrx driver |
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| 21:09.47 | tziku | hello i have some problems, when i'm tryingo to run a&a_light (irc eggdrop script) is starting 3 times, and if i kill 1 of that process don't work coreclty. can somebody help me ? |
| 21:09.50 | ma3x | drac, gravity when i run 'glxgears' system freezes! it did twice!! |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | !tell fabiolinux about install java |
| 21:10.10 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: I don't understand your question, can you rephrase it, please? |
| 21:10.11 | gravity | ma3x: I'd recommend not using DRI then |
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| 21:10.22 | fabiolinux | abrotman: coul'd you help me? |
| 21:10.27 | abrotman | i just did |
| 21:10.37 | ma3x | gravity, I remember now about the DRI developer |
| 21:10.38 | abrotman | use java-package |
| 21:10.44 | gravity | ugh |
| 21:10.44 | ma3x | gravity, his name is Daenzer, Michael? |
| 21:10.47 | abrotman | and probably a newer java unless you have a good reason |
| 21:10.51 | gravity | Right, I know him |
| 21:10.54 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Oh, sure azeem, well, trying to get that wine version worked (AKA forcing apt-get to get such version), so I was wondering what was the latest one before the current one? or at least the best one my Sarge 3.1 can get? |
| 21:10.58 | ma3x | gravity, you know him? |
| 21:11.03 | gravity | yes |
| 21:11.15 | ma3x | gravity, http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/ |
| 21:11.23 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: that is the one in sarge (or rather one for sarge-security) |
| 21:11.34 | ma3x | gravity, I'll just install his stuff |
| 21:11.36 | fabiolinux | abrotman: could yuo give me an example? |
| 21:11.38 | azeem | x-[Kaiser]-x: i don't know what you mean by "current one" |
| 21:11.45 | gravity | ma3x: Ok, have fun. I can't help you any more |
| 21:11.45 | abrotman | man make-jpkg |
| 21:11.58 | ma3x | gravity, one more question: sometimes after bootup my mouse doesnt work. I should plug/unplug it once |
| 21:12.01 | gravity | ma3x: Please don't go in to #debian-devel for help on this either. They can't help either. |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | !tell fabiolinux about java-package |
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| 21:12.05 | x-[Kaiser]-x | azeem, current Wine release =P as the one right now is causing the errors I'm getting with apt-get, what was the last one, was my question :P |
| 21:12.08 | gravity | ma3x: I dunno dude |
| 21:12.10 | abrotman | gravity: he did? |
| 21:12.14 | gravity | abrotman: He did |
| 21:12.18 | abrotman | that's . horrible |
| 21:12.20 | ma3x | gravity, it has something to do with hotplug ? |
| 21:12.24 | gravity | ma3x: Got me. |
| 21:12.31 | ma3x | abrotman, why is that horrible? that's some dev. stuff |
| 21:12.33 | fabiolinux | thanks a lot! |
| 21:12.40 | ma3x | grav, thanks dude! |
| 21:12.41 | gravity | ma3x: No, your issue was a user issue, not a dev issue |
| 21:12.47 | gravity | Anyway, I'm off |
| 21:12.47 | azeem | ma3x: only if you want to discuss a patch you made along with it |
| 21:12.47 | abrotman | ma3x: it's not for help . it's for people who develop .. |
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| 21:12.53 | drac | ma3x: Do you have kernel framebuffers enabled.. ? |
| 21:12.57 | ma3x | gravity, but i'm sid user, so ? |
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| 21:13.04 | gravity | ma3x: Like azeem said |
| 21:13.05 | ma3x | drac, what's that? |
| 21:13.10 | valdyn | ma3x: are you using daenzers packages from 2004 for sid's xorg? |
| 21:13.15 | drac | ma3x: lsmod | grep fb |
| 21:13.25 | ma3x | drac, nothing comes up |
| 21:13.34 | ma3x | valdyn, yes I think so! |
| 21:13.36 | drac | ma3x: good.. |
| 21:13.39 | ma3x | valdyn, not right now, but will install them |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:13.46 | abrotman | this is getting better and better |
| 21:13.49 | ma3x | valdyn, you think its a good idea? |
| 21:13.57 | valdyn | ma3x: nope |
| 21:13.58 | ma3x | abrotman, why you think so dude? |
| 21:14.02 | ma3x | valdyn, and why not? |
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| 21:14.29 | abrotman | which one of the 6023 reasons would you like? |
| 21:14.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:14.37 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
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| 21:15.53 | exobyte | Am I "allowed" to set my default route to one that another route is needed to reach? |
| 21:16.15 | valdyn | exobyte: that is common usage |
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| 21:16.25 | exobyte | valdyn: hmm- I didn't know that |
| 21:16.38 | exobyte | valdyn: I also think windows doesn't like that, but that's not saying much |
| 21:16.57 | valdyn | exobyte: im sure that works in windows too |
| 21:17.28 | aethera | ok I installed the ATI driver |
| 21:17.38 | aethera | what must I change in my XF86config |
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| 21:17.43 | BucWheat | how can i stop the boot process to read/write down errors that occur during bootup? |
| 21:17.46 | aethera | cause the readme says nothing |
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| 21:17.52 | abrotman | ctrl-s ... maybe |
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| 21:18.09 | BucWheat | let me try that |
| 21:18.36 | x-[Kaiser]-x | okay azeem, abrotman, guess that will solve my problems, thanks for your help :). Another small thing that's bugging me, any way I can configure eSound? XMMS can't use it :/ |
| 21:19.00 | abrotman | use another player? .. or configure the xmms plugin correctly ? |
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| 21:19.10 | aethera | guys |
| 21:19.22 | omry | anyone on etch got problems to start eclipse with sun's jdk? |
| 21:20.24 | x-[Kaiser]-x | abrotman, all I get in the config is a remote option for connecting (or serving) and buffering stuff o.O |
| 21:20.40 | aethera | what driver do I change my XFreeconfig too when I installed the ati driver? |
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| 21:20.56 | adii | hello |
| 21:21.17 | x-[Kaiser]-x | or something else would be how to make alsa store the settings after reboot so I don't have to run alsaconf everytime (alsactl store seems not to work) and so XMMS uses it without displaying an error of "device in use" when another app plays sound? |
| 21:21.21 | adii | is there a way to change .fw file into modules ? |
| 21:22.04 | abrotman | x-[Kaiser]-x: under options .. the Audio IO plugins .. choose a better one |
| 21:22.11 | phydoxx | is there a way to just list directories and subdrectories, without files? |
| 21:22.32 | aethera | anyone got ATI cards here? |
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| 21:22.42 | stew | phydoxx: "find -type d" |
| 21:22.43 | gravity | aethera: Yeah, but I use the Free driver |
| 21:22.45 | x-[Kaiser]-x | I try to use Alsa, but then I have to run alsaconf and alsactl store everytime I boot because it doesn't loads, and now it doesn't even wants to play, because "the device is in use" even though I'm not doing anything :/ |
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| 21:22.58 | valdyn | exobyte: maybe you really are referring the special case where you'd implictely override your gateways routing settings, that's not possible naturally |
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| 21:23.14 | phydoxx | stew, ah, been researching for the wrong command. thanks :) |
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| 21:24.36 | BennoZ | Hi, anyone to offer help for not being able to write to my USB stick ? |
| 21:24.47 | pipeline | BennoZ: the uid/umask options. man mount. |
| 21:25.05 | pipeline | BennoZ: The easy way around this problem is to install gnome-volume-manager -- it'll automatically mount your USB stick with appropriate permissions. |
| 21:25.42 | aethera | gravity: I installed the ATI driver |
| 21:25.48 | aethera | but it did not change my xfree config |
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| 21:26.12 | gravity | aethera: Sucks to be you |
| 21:26.17 | BennoZ | pipeLine: Sorr, I'm a starter. I noticed it was checked "read only " which I removed, but that did not help |
| 21:26.29 | pipeline | BennoZ: You're a starter? |
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| 21:26.47 | shad0w1e | anyone know about these errors when trying to load the nvidia module? : |
| 21:26.48 | shad0w1e | nvidia: Unknown symbol register_ioctl32_conversion |
| 21:26.48 | shad0w1e | nvidia: Unknown symbol unregister_ioctl32_conversion |
| 21:27.05 | pipeline | shad0w1e: Looks like your module is built wrong. |
| 21:27.16 | kspath | BennoZ: beginner? noob? newbie? |
| 21:27.17 | BennoZ | pipeLine: Yes, I did the Sweex router mod, installed thttpd on a stick, it works, but now I'm not allowed to copy any files to my stick. |
| 21:27.30 | pipeline | BennoZ: I have no bloody idea what you're talking about. |
| 21:27.37 | abrotman | gravity: work harder! |
| 21:27.48 | grandma | gah, i installed alsa-base and have no sound |
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| 21:28.00 | gravity | abrotman: for loops are doing the job for me :-) |
| 21:28.05 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 21:28.05 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | did you turn your volume up in mixer ? |
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| 21:28.15 | abrotman | gravity: use trained monkeys! |
| 21:28.22 | gravity | abrotman: I wish I had some |
| 21:28.31 | ma3x | gravity, ME! |
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| 21:28.32 | abrotman | gravity: grab someone from the NM queue :) |
| 21:28.33 | ma3x | :p |
| 21:28.40 | adii | how should i do so as to use .fw files as drivers ? |
| 21:28.43 | ma3x | abrotman, nevermind queue? |
| 21:28.46 | gravity | abrotman: They're all scared of X |
| 21:28.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:29.09 | ma3x | gravity, you too, didn't fix my DRI! |
| 21:29.11 | ma3x | :p |
| 21:29.16 | ma3x | but who cares, I don't play games |
| 21:29.23 | azeem | ma3x: pfft |
| 21:29.33 | gravity | ma3x: I'm trying to fix the rest of the Debian X packages right now |
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| 21:29.37 | gravity | It's kind of a big task |
| 21:29.42 | ma3x | azeem, whaddup aphro? |
| 21:29.46 | grandma | abrotman yea i've played with many different mixers mutes and unmutes...i'm trying the dpkg thing |
| 21:29.56 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 21:29.59 | azeem | ma3x: well, you just wasted our time for something you don't even need? |
| 21:29.59 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 21:29.59 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf 2) add your user to the audio group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 21:30.00 | shad0w1e | pipeline, well I built it using the module assistant. any other suggestions? Thanx |
| 21:30.09 | gravity | Great to know |
| 21:30.11 | azeem | gravity: is there going to be another 6.9 upload before 7.0? |
| 21:30.16 | aethera | brb |
| 21:30.19 | gravity | azeem: I haven't decided yet. Probably though. |
| 21:30.27 | ma3x | azeem, it's nice to have , maybe someday my children will play |
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| 21:30.28 | gravity | azeem: I'll probably put back the evdev stuff, remove the acpi patch, etf |
| 21:30.28 | abrotman | no way .. straight to 7! |
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| 21:30.41 | azeem | gravity: ok |
| 21:30.42 | pipeline | shad0w1e: Something's pretty screwed up, then. And there's really nowhere to go from here: closed source drivers make debugging impossible. You'll just have to wait for nvidia to fix it, or downgrade your kernel / video driver. |
| 21:30.48 | x-[Kaiser]-x | dpkg, how to do 2, 4, 5 and 7? |
| 21:30.50 | Nurbs | hm, didn't apt fetch incremental package list updates for some time? |
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| 21:30.58 | shad0w1e | pipeline, yes but the nvidia driver works!! |
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| 21:31.02 | shad0w1e | just not the debian one! |
| 21:31.10 | pipeline | shad0w1e: uhh... riiight. |
| 21:31.19 | pipeline | shad0w1e: I'm standing by my "PEBKAC" explanation. |
| 21:31.22 | ma3x | gravity, you'll really fix the DRI problem? |
| 21:31.28 | shad0w1e | wats that? |
| 21:31.35 | gravity | ma3x: Let's just say it's low on my list of priorities. Really low. |
| 21:31.39 | BennoZ | pipeLine: There is a mod for a sweex router to act as a webserver. I did add USB to the router and flashed is with firmware which boots from the USB stick. On the USB stick I did create a file system for linux with webserver. That all works fine, except the fact that the webserver only shows the message " it seems that this roouter rig works fine" which is in the /var/www/ directory, in the index.html. Now, I plugged the USB stick into the Li |
| 21:31.40 | madradrone | whoever wrote that factoid and recommends catting /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp is an idiot. you should never ever do that |
| 21:31.40 | BennoZ | nux PC (Knoppix running from harddisk), which mounts the USB stick, shows it's contents, says User Knoppix is the owner for reading and writing but still does not allow me to change or add files.. |
| 21:31.48 | ma3x | gravity, didn't know you contribute to that. Bravo anyway |
| 21:31.50 | shad0w1e | Im thinking that If I use nvidia drivers and take it out of the rc2.d, maybe It'll work? |
| 21:32.08 | shad0w1e | bec the nvidia drivers work until I reboot, and get the "removing TLS links" thing |
| 21:32.11 | bucky | BennoZ, /join #knoppix |
| 21:32.32 | madradrone | it might seem like some cool, unixy command line trick, but it is incredibly stupid |
| 21:32.53 | abrotman | madradrone: why? |
| 21:32.55 | justin | madradrone: says you |
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| 21:33.06 | ultraviolet16 | I am installing fglrx drivers on my laptop and when running aticonfig --initial it doesn't adjust xorg.conf. is this because I already manually edited it? |
| 21:33.17 | Dwonis | madradrone: I agree. It's a total waste of perfectly good entropy |
| 21:33.20 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: I suggest you give up. |
| 21:33.53 | madradrone | says the fact that the amplifier is totally overloaded, you are sending a clipping signal to the speakers, and the fact that there are 100 better ways to do it with real command-line sound apps |
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| 21:33.54 | ultraviolet16 | pipeline: ha. why? |
| 21:34.08 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: You're not going to get much help with fglrx here. |
| 21:34.15 | abrotman | try #ati |
| 21:34.22 | madradrone | plus that you are giving bad advice to newbies. its like having a kid play with a voltage generator |
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| 21:34.27 | bucky | ultraviolet16, in sarge? |
| 21:34.48 | shad0w1e | hey I always give my kid a fork and tell him to play with the electrical outlet |
| 21:34.51 | ultraviolet16 | bucky: sarge with backports |
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| 21:34.55 | abrotman | madradrone: so because a tard has his speakers up all the way .. it's bad ? |
| 21:34.57 | aethera | 13771 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2754.200 FPS |
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| 21:35.00 | bucky | ultraviolet16, /msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 21:35.14 | aethera | pipeline: |
| 21:35.15 | aethera | it does work |
| 21:35.15 | aethera | :P |
| 21:35.15 | ultraviolet16 | thanks a lot.. i'm pretty sure that's what I needed.. seems familiar |
| 21:35.18 | gravity | md5sum doesn't apply to xorg's backport |
| 21:35.19 | ultraviolet16 | bucky: thanks |
| 21:35.25 | ultraviolet16 | oh |
| 21:35.27 | madradrone | abrotman: i would argue the tard is the one who gives the kid a voltage generator in the first place and expects him to keep it dialed down |
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| 21:35.39 | justin | besides, /dev/urandom is much better than the crap that is called "music" these days |
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| 21:35.46 | abrotman | madradrone: so what other apps would you have him use? |
| 21:35.58 | madradrone | you never heard of clipping? read some hi-fi magazines and find out why its really bad |
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| 21:36.00 | bucky | ultraviolet16 gravity so which xserver is it? |
| 21:36.04 | mejo | hello |
| 21:36.05 | aethera | pipeline: but that was a 2d test |
| 21:36.11 | aethera | anyway I can test my 3f? |
| 21:36.21 | madradrone | abrotman: any command-line one like play, aplay, mpg123, ogg123, whatever... |
| 21:36.26 | shad0w1e | glxinfo |grep direct |
| 21:36.26 | aethera | 3d even |
| 21:36.28 | abrotman | madradrone: now that's a stupid idea |
| 21:36.37 | aethera | aethera@spawn:~$ glxinfo |grep direct |
| 21:36.37 | aethera | direct rendering: Yes |
| 21:36.43 | mejo | according to a bugreport against cryptsetup, "ARG=${opt/,*}" is bashism. |
| 21:36.43 | aethera | w000000000t |
| 21:36.50 | aethera | aTI's driver is not bad |
| 21:36.57 | Malagmyr | Can I get tar to create an archive on another machine by using it together with, for instance, scp? How? |
| 21:36.58 | micker | how can I get a more verbose error report from dpkg? I'm trying to install wacom-kernel-source and the final output is just "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)' |
| 21:37.01 | mejo | where can i check whether some shell code is bashism? |
| 21:37.05 | madradrone | abrotman: ok, so using a sound app to play sound is stupid. okay. |
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| 21:37.17 | abrotman | madradrone: it is if you don't have them installed .. and you have no internet .. |
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| 21:37.56 | abrotman | or no access to all the packages |
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| 21:38.03 | madradrone | abrotman: well, i guess i wouldn't consider having the chrome fender duct-taped onto the car more important than, say, the transmission functioning... |
| 21:38.03 | Dwonis | mejo: You could check the POSIX spec, but it's probably easier to just install dash and try whatever script feature you want to know about |
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| 21:38.23 | Dwonis | mejo: If it works in bash, but not in dash, it's a bashism :) |
| 21:38.25 | abrotman | madradrone: you don't have them installed .. you have no way to install them .. how do you propose to test the sound? |
| 21:38.31 | azeem | micker: the real error should be above that |
| 21:39.02 | Dwonis | mejo: Yuo can also run "man dash", once you have dash installed, for some documentation |
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| 21:39.11 | mejo | Dwonis: i've just found 'checkbashisms' from devscripts. |
| 21:39.20 | madradrone | abrotman: i guess i'd forego the chrome fender for the time being. heck, there's a helluva lot of apps i can think of which a person would need a net connection to install. should they never worry about installing them? |
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| 21:39.41 | micker | azeem: above that is "dpkg: error processing wacom-kernel-source (--configure): |
| 21:39.41 | micker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.43 | mejo | i could replace "ARG=${opt/,*}" with ARG=`echo $opt | sed "s/,.*//"` |
| 21:39.52 | abrotman | madradrone: oh .. so you're wrong .. and now you evade the point .. nice going |
| 21:39.55 | Dwonis | mejo: Note that checkbashisms won't report all bashisms - just common ones. |
| 21:40.00 | aethera | pipeline: |
| 21:40.34 | StereoSkit | abrotman: dude, im trying yo dpkg -i the linux image 2.6.12 but it cant be configured since initrd-tools and module-init-tools are not configured so i do dpkg-reconfigure but it says, package is broken or not fully installed, how can i correct this? |
| 21:40.55 | abrotman | StereoSkit: get the other packages it depends on |
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| 21:41.10 | madradrone | abrotman: just because there's no net connection doesn't justify sending a clipping signal through the audio system. that is my point. |
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| 21:41.23 | abrotman | madradrone: then provide a better way to test .. until then .. drop it |
| 21:41.27 | azeem | StereoSkit: use dpkg --configure -a, not dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:41.43 | StereoSkit | azeem:ill try, thanks |
| 21:41.48 | aethera | does sarge use xorg or xfree? |
| 21:41.56 | gravity | aethera: xfree86 |
| 21:41.56 | azeem | aethera: xfree |
| 21:42.18 | madradrone | abrotman: just because evolution can't immediately explain everything that creationism purports to doesn't make it wrong |
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| 21:42.23 | Crudmuffin | ngo |
| 21:42.25 | aethera | does it have the Composite extenstion? |
| 21:42.36 | gravity | hell, I don't remember |
| 21:42.48 | gravity | This is what happens when you come in on xorg |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | madradrone: you're really bad at this .. you lost .. give up |
| 21:42.49 | azeem | I don't think so, that's an x.org thing I believe |
| 21:42.56 | sandman | WOuld -Os help on a system with very little memory? |
| 21:43.13 | azeem | sandman: uhm |
| 21:43.25 | azeem | sandman: that largely depends on a lot of other parameters I guess |
| 21:43.26 | aethera | oh well |
| 21:43.30 | aethera | now to install netbeans |
| 21:43.32 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.34 | aethera | and stupid tomcat |
| 21:43.41 | ma3x | wlan0: tx error 0x20, buf 09! (excessive Tx retries due to either distance too high or unable to Tx or Tx frame error - try changing 'iwconfig txpower XXX' or 'sens'itivity or 'retry') |
| 21:43.47 | ma3x | my dmesg is getting flooded with that. what should i do? |
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| 21:44.05 | micker | has anyone here ver succesfully installed wacom-kernel-source on 2.6.12? |
| 21:44.05 | fanfoua | is there an italian called raphael here ? |
| 21:44.06 | azeem | ma3x: well, it suggests something, no? |
| 21:44.21 | madradrone | abrotman: ok you can listen to your hifi 128 kpbs mp3s through your speakers that were blown out with subsonic clipping and enjoy |
| 21:44.34 | abrotman | madradrone: thank you .. now please leave me alone |
| 21:44.37 | ma3x | azeem, yeah but what exactly should I change and to what value? |
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| 21:45.41 | mejo | where in the fs should include/module/import files be stored, if they need to be available at boot time (before mounting any filesystems)? |
| 21:45.42 | Dwonis | madradrone: any decent sound card will filter subsonics, IIRC |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | Dwonis: but your fender will be scratched or some thing |
| 21:46.18 | Dwonis | abrotman: wha? |
| 21:46.21 | abrotman | dpm |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | don't ask me .. it's his argument |
| 21:47.01 | Dwonis | abrotman: I understand the problem with "subsonics". You don't want to be feeding DC to your speaker coil, even if it's relatively low power, because the coil will heat up. |
| 21:47.21 | micker | anyone setup the wacom driver for debian, for a tablet? |
| 21:47.26 | Dwonis | abrotman: In theory, /dev/urandom should have some low-frequency component (though not DC) |
| 21:47.31 | abrotman | i never said it wasn't bad for the hardware .. i just said there's no better reliable way to do it |
| 21:47.55 | mejo | cryptdisks runs some checks before unlocking a slot. this happens in the boot process before local (non-root) filesystems etc are mounted. |
| 21:48.20 | aethera | ok installing tomcat |
| 21:48.21 | aethera | :) |
| 21:48.24 | aethera | wooooooooooh0000000000 |
| 21:48.27 | aethera | debian rocks |
| 21:48.46 | mejo | currently the checks are in /usr/share/cryptsetup/, but that doesn't work. is something like /lib/cryptsetup appropriative? |
| 21:49.09 | streuner | aethera: well, otherwise we wouldn't use it |
| 21:49.23 | aethera | hp |
| 21:49.24 | aethera | :P |
| 21:49.24 | blaen | How do I change the owner of a file? |
| 21:49.25 | aethera | php |
| 21:49.30 | SerajewelKS | blaen: chown |
| 21:49.30 | aethera | jsp is not so bad |
| 21:49.31 | aethera | :P |
| 21:49.31 | blondie | blaen: chown |
| 21:49.35 | aethera | actually nice |
| 21:49.36 | Gnea | Dwonis: depends what you're doing |
| 21:49.50 | aethera | I read a few tutorials |
| 21:50.32 | nmourey | Anyone have any luck getting j2eesdk-1_4_03-linux.bin to work on Debian 3.1r1? |
| 21:50.47 | pipeline | nmourey: ask dpkg about "java-package" |
| 21:51.06 | magyar | can anyone help me with a proftpd question? |
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| 21:51.35 | aethera | how could I test my 3d card |
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| 21:53.57 | nmourey | I did a search with synaptic and aptitude and didn't get anything. |
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| 21:55.02 | Gnea | !java-package |
| 21:55.02 | dpkg | i heard java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 21:55.05 | grandma | ok nothing is working :0\... how can i dump all the sound and start from scratch? |
| 21:55.17 | Gnea | nmourey: what about apt-cache search java package ? |
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| 21:55.30 | dav | evince keeps getting uninstalled when doing a dist-upgrade on testing it's very irritating.. |
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| 21:55.47 | Gnea | dav: file a bug |
| 21:55.53 | Gnea | !tell dav -about bts |
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| 21:56.27 | drp | can you only use wirless network cards that have prism chipsets with linux? |
| 21:56.36 | Gnea | nope |
| 21:56.56 | _rene_ | there's many more |
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| 21:57.12 | _rene_ | prism*, ralink, atheros, bcm43xx, ... |
| 21:57.19 | Gnea | drp: just about everything is supported, one way or another - it's the ones ndiswrapper ones that have limited functionality |
| 21:57.19 | SerajewelKS | acx100... |
| 21:57.21 | _rene_ | orinoco of course still |
| 21:57.24 | _rene_ | etc |
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| 21:57.41 | SerajewelKS | unfortunately the acx100 driver doesn't work with my card so i have to use ndiswrapper :S |
| 21:57.46 | drp | i just bought a linksys usb wireless card and was wondering if there were any help pages on how to set it up |
| 21:57.54 | _rene_ | drp: which chip? |
| 21:58.01 | Gnea | drp: what model #? |
| 21:58.03 | grandma | i've tried the alsaconf and read pages upon pages trying things, i still get no sound...yes the mixers are unmuted, yes the sound is plugged in and the speakers are turned up. what do i need to remove to start from scratch and dump OSS? |
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| 21:58.07 | blondie | debian is taking so long to install on my laptop, I'm beginning to wonder if I used a gentoo CD by mistake c.c |
| 21:58.09 | icebit | Who used Conexant HSF internal modem in Debian, whether are necessary for this driver? |
| 21:58.11 | _rene_ | drp: in any case, use google ;-) |
| 21:58.16 | drp | WUSB54G |
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| 21:58.20 | Gnea | blondie: LMAO~~ |
| 21:58.36 | drp | _rene_: yeah that's where i was gonna look if I couldn't find any help here |
| 21:58.40 | blondie | I don't think it likes my laptop :( |
| 21:58.49 | streuner | !gentoosmite blondie |
| 21:58.56 | Gnea | !google linksys WUSB54G linux |
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| 21:59.01 | dpkg | Google says linksys WUSB54G linux is at http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Installing_Linksys_WUSB54G_t32624.html or http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Linksys_in_Fedora_Core_4_Plz_Help_t33926.html or http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/228379/linksys-wusb54g-v4-wireless-g-usb-network-adapter-driver-2.0.0.0-free-download.html or http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/214902/linksys-wusb54g-wireless-g-usb-network-adapter-driver-0.6.0.0-windows-free-download.html or ... |
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| 21:59.40 | Gnea | drp: anymore questions? :) |
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| 22:00.03 | drp | Gnea: not as of now |
| 22:00.07 | drp | Gnea: thanks ... : ) |
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| 22:00.46 | Gnea | drp: hrm, looks like this is covered under linuxant |
| 22:00.47 | KzarMaster | who knows where I can find some 2.4.20-xfs kernel source for knoppix |
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| 22:00.56 | icebit | Who used Conexant HSF internal modem in Debian, whether are necessary for this driver? |
| 22:01.00 | icebit | How the device pci in Linux is designated? |
| 22:01.04 | SerajewelKS | KzarMaster: #knoppix |
| 22:01.10 | KzarMaster | thks |
| 22:01.26 | Gnea | The new USB support has been successfully tested with the following devices: |
| 22:01.27 | Gnea | # Linksys WUSB54G Wireless-G Network Adapter (PRISM)** |
| 22:01.37 | streuner | icebit: laptop? |
| 22:01.40 | Gnea | (**) Version 4 of the Linksys WUSB54G Wireless-G Network Adapter is currently not supported. |
| 22:01.56 | icebit | streuner: no workstation |
| 22:02.20 | streuner | icebit: get an extern modem, less headaches |
| 22:02.24 | aethera | anyone here run tomcat? |
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| 22:02.34 | streuner | icebit: or /msg dpkg winmodem |
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| 22:04.25 | icebit | streuner:Conexant HSF modem not winmodem |
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| 22:04.37 | ma3x | icebit, you wanna install that? |
| 22:04.38 | icebit | HSF - internal pci modem |
| 22:04.49 | ma3x | icebit, that's winmodem |
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| 22:05.23 | calvin_ | this is a stupid q but I cant seem to answer it through google. |
| 22:05.26 | streuner | icebit: we call it just 'winmodem' if its internal |
| 22:05.35 | calvin_ | how do I change my window manager to fluxbox? |
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| 22:05.44 | streuner | calvin_: /msg dpkg wm |
| 22:05.55 | icebit | he detected in Mandriva, but in Debian no |
| 22:06.14 | streuner | calvin_: put 'exec fluxbox' into ~/.xsession |
| 22:06.16 | icebit | HSF winmodem detected in Mandriva? |
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| 22:07.42 | icebit | i need install this modem |
| 22:07.46 | icebit | in Debian |
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| 22:08.00 | streuner | icebit: why not read the factoid? |
| 22:08.10 | streuner | icebit: or /msg dpkg winmodem |
| 22:08.39 | streuner | dpkg winmodem |
| 22:08.39 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 22:09.05 | Gnea | slmodem worked on this laptop |
| 22:09.45 | streuner | icebit: you heard what Gnea mentioned, try 'modprobe slmodem' |
| 22:09.55 | Gnea | no |
| 22:10.14 | Gnea | apt-get install sl-modem-daemon |
| 22:10.26 | streuner | !info sl-modem-daemon |
| 22:10.27 | dpkg | sl-modem-daemon: (SmartLink software modem daemon), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 2.9.9d+e-pre2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 496 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB |
| 22:10.50 | Gnea | if you're using ALSA already, it will use an ALSA driver that's compatible with the chip and interface through that |
| 22:11.04 | Gnea | of course, i haven't tried dialing with it yet |
| 22:11.11 | Gnea | which reminds me.... |
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| 22:12.20 | grandma | my sound was working somewhat (terribly) until i installed alsa-base, now no sound works anywhere, i've messed with mixers, mutes, cat /dev/urandom as root, nothing makes sound |
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| 22:12.46 | icebit | streuner: senks, |
| 22:13.09 | streuner | icebit: good luck |
| 22:13.13 | shad0w1e | whats the newest version of forcedeth? |
| 22:13.28 | dn4 | how do I make a bootable iso image of all the files under the directory /home/dna/Desktop/FS |
| 22:13.31 | shad0w1e | !forcedeth |
| 22:13.32 | dpkg | from memory, forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher |
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| 22:13.45 | azeem | shad0w1e: please /msg the bot |
| 22:13.51 | shad0w1e | sorry |
| 22:14.18 | gau | is there something similar to itunes for linux ? ... i don't want the store .. just the interface and stufff ? |
| 22:14.30 | shad0w1e | gau, amaroK |
| 22:14.57 | gau | shad0w1e: tnx |
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| 22:15.06 | shad0w1e | I like it better...wish they had it for Windows.. |
| 22:15.16 | gau | but its kde and i don't have any qt its going to take forever :( |
| 22:15.32 | Coweater | rhythmbox |
| 22:15.44 | shad0w1e | ohh yeah that will suck. maybe you can try actually getting itunes to run using crossover office? |
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| 22:16.10 | gau | na |
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| 22:16.23 | SerajewelKS | !deadcat++ |
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| 22:16.26 | gau | i am not looking for crossover .... |
| 22:16.42 | gau | I have already crossed over ;) |
| 22:17.16 | SoNiKu | what's the easiest way to install/start X on a sarge installation that was minimalistic? |
| 22:17.16 | SerajewelKS | who would want to run itunes on linux anyway |
| 22:17.25 | SerajewelKS | SoNiKu: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:18.01 | gau | SoNiKu: apt-get install ratkill |
| 22:18.15 | gravity | ratpoison, and that won't work |
| 22:18.23 | SoNiKu | SerajewelKS: thanks- if i want to have it start auto, which runlevel do i change initrd to under debian? |
| 22:18.24 | limpio_ | SoNiKu, apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 22:18.28 | gau | yep i meant ratpoison ;) |
| 22:18.28 | streuner | SoNiKu: apt-get install x-window-system-core openbox (wmaker, fluxbox, blackbox, etc. etc) |
| 22:18.48 | streuner | dpkg, windowmanager |
| 22:18.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, windowmanager is a program that manages windows in the X Window System and allows users to move and resize them. |
| 22:18.56 | icebit | How about the driver with linuxant.com, speak it is necessary to buy the license |
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| 22:19.06 | streuner | nah |
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| 22:19.13 | dn4 | Is there a java windows manager? |
| 22:19.15 | streuner | just use the free onces |
| 22:19.20 | gau | dn4: yep |
| 22:19.22 | gau | glassbox |
| 22:19.27 | gau | or something like that ... |
| 22:19.39 | gau | its written by SUN |
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| 22:19.52 | gau | you have to pay $$$$'s to get it though ;) |
| 22:19.59 | Wyzard | Project Looking Glass? |
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| 22:20.25 | gravity | Yeah, I think LG is java too |
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| 22:20.31 | gravity | They use a java library for scene rendering |
| 22:20.35 | streuner | icebit: besides, an external modem costs about serveral buck second hand... |
| 22:20.54 | streuner | s/buck/bucks/ |
| 22:20.54 | Wyzard | gravity: Probably Java3D, which is a Sun product |
| 22:21.03 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, I think so |
| 22:21.12 | streuner | Who want to spent some money for a driver then... |
| 22:21.19 | vulture | Java3D's reached end of life, jogl (Java OpenGL) is more supported |
| 22:21.30 | Wyzard | ah |
| 22:21.40 | gau | Wyzard: yep |
| 22:21.46 | Wyzard | Didn't know that... I don't do any 3D stuff (or much at all, really) in Java |
| 22:21.54 | gravity | Hrm, I wonder if that's why LG is pushing so hard to improve Xorg |
| 22:22.13 | Wyzard | I'll stick with C++ and OpenSceneGraph :-) |
| 22:22.28 | grandma | any ideas for my sound problem? |
| 22:22.33 | Wyzard | gravity: Improving Mesa? Or Xorg itself? |
| 22:22.45 | gravity | Wyzard: X, GL, GLX |
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| 22:22.49 | streuner | grandma: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 22:22.51 | gravity | Probably a few other things |
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| 22:23.06 | gravity | It's interesting stuff that I can barely understand |
| 22:23.06 | Wyzard | interesting |
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| 22:23.42 | grandma | linux version 2.6.12-1-k7... |
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| 22:23.50 | sylvisj | How do I find the size of a partition? Example: /dev/sda5? |
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| 22:24.05 | streuner | df |
| 22:24.05 | gravity | It turns out that their current problem is the same one that keith packard is trying to solve to finish composite to allow for things like screen magnifiers |
| 22:24.08 | grandma | debian 4.0.1-8 |
| 22:24.11 | gravity | Which is kind of cool |
| 22:24.16 | SoNiKu | i think my apt config is borked- it can't find anything =P |
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| 22:24.25 | streuner | grandma: that's not the output |
| 22:24.33 | sylvisj | Guys - how do I find the size of /dev/sda5? |
| 22:24.41 | streuner | sylvisj: fdisk -l |
| 22:24.47 | grandma | streuner this machine is different than the one i'm working on |
| 22:24.49 | gravity | Wow, we released 4.0.1-8 already? I've been slacking! |
| 22:24.55 | grandma | copy paste isn't possible |
| 22:24.59 | streuner | heh |
| 22:25.13 | streuner | grandma: can you type it? |
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| 22:25.20 | grandma | uhh |
| 22:25.21 | soppman | yo |
| 22:25.22 | streuner | don't be lazy |
| 22:25.25 | soppman | anyone uses isakmpd in here ? |
| 22:25.33 | Wyzard | gravity: I'm much more interested in a true GL-based X server than in Composite... but from what I've read, supporting GL apps within an X server that itself is using GL will require a feature called "framebuffer objects" which nVidia's and ATI's drivers support, but Mesa currently does not |
| 22:25.35 | soppman | got a tunnel working but no extra interface comes up? |
| 22:25.51 | gravity | Wyzard: Composite will layer on top of GL in that vision, so it's actually very important |
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| 22:26.23 | gravity | Wyzard: I don't know about framebuffer objects, but that may be the piece of Xegl that is missing that I'm unaware of |
| 22:26.26 | Wyzard | gravity: ah... so Composite in the sense of the X protocol extension, but not in the sense of its current implementation in Xorg... makes sense |
| 22:26.30 | grandma | streuner what are you looking for and i'll type that? |
| 22:26.50 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.9-1-k7 (dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2)) #1 Thu Nov 25 03:20:07 EST 2004 |
| 22:26.50 | gravity | Wyzard: Right, exactly. Composite is actually very important to modern rendering |
| 22:27.02 | gravity | Wyzard: GLX can't handle composite the way they want it to now, so they're trying to figure out a workaround |
| 22:27.03 | streuner | grandma: not the date, but the other stuff |
| 22:27.38 | Wyzard | gravity: My understanding is that framebuffer apps will allow a 3D app (screensaver, game, etc.) to be given a GL context which the app thinks is going straight to the display, but which is actually rendering into a texture to be used by a GL-based compositing manager |
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| 22:27.54 | grandma | 2.6.12-1-k7, horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org (gcc version 4.0.2 20050917) prerelease debian 4.0.1-8 |
| 22:27.56 | Wyzard | gravity: s/framebuffer apps/framebuffer objects/ |
| 22:28.09 | gravity | Wyzard: Ah, ok. That makes sense. I'm surprised that's not available in mesa yet. |
| 22:28.15 | streuner | grandma: so you running testing, right? |
| 22:28.22 | gravity | Or DRI... I'm not sure where exactly that would belong |
| 22:28.30 | gravity | I need to dive in to that stuff in the future |
| 22:28.32 | grandma | mixed, i think testing has priority |
| 22:28.32 | streuner | grandma: apt-get install alsa-utils, and run 'alsaconf' |
| 22:28.37 | grandma | you could have just asked that, heh |
| 22:28.55 | grandma | streuner done that |
| 22:28.58 | grandma | several times |
| 22:29.20 | Ryushin | Do the AMD duel core processors show up as one or two cpu's? |
| 22:29.25 | Naglefar | which debian (sarge) package contains standard `prof' utility (profiler)? |
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| 22:29.26 | streuner | grandma: so just set your sources.list to _ONE_ version of debian |
| 22:29.28 | Wyzard | gravity: I was surprised too... it's present on my desktop system using nVidia, but on my laptop with an i915 and Mesa, it's absent |
| 22:29.34 | Naglefar | apt-cache didn't help |
| 22:29.51 | Ryushin | cat /proc/cpuinfo shows one processor as does top. |
| 22:29.51 | gravity | Wyzard: Ok, interesting. Good to know, thanks |
| 22:30.05 | streuner | grandma: the kernel should be ok |
| 22:30.14 | grandma | eh, i'm pretty sure it's not that |
| 22:30.55 | streuner | grandma: what kind of entries do you have in your sources.list? |
| 22:31.04 | Wyzard | gravity: The actual extension name is "GL_EXT_framebuffer_object", btw |
| 22:31.19 | grandma | lots, with /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:31.21 | gravity | Wyzard: Cool, thanks |
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| 22:31.50 | streuner | grandma: sounds like backports too? |
| 22:31.56 | grandma | backports? |
| 22:32.01 | streuner | !backports |
| 22:32.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 22:32.03 | Fish-Face | Hi guys |
| 22:32.09 | gravity | Holy fuck. 109megs? |
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| 22:32.29 | Fish-Face | In the debian installer, if I install GRUB to the MBR, presumably it means the MBR of the first hard disk? |
| 22:32.46 | streuner | usually yes |
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| 22:33.26 | gravity | Fucking openscenegraph is broken |
| 22:33.29 | Fish-Face | so if I'm installing on hdb it's a good idea to select know and install to (hd1) |
| 22:33.29 | zinx | Fish-Face: generally the MBR portion of the MBR isn't used on other drives |
| 22:33.33 | grandma | eh, i wanted to focus my system mainly on testing, but some packages weren't available, so i set up stable/testing/unstable with pin-priority in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 22:33.40 | pattern | can anyone recommend a lightweight x server (as an alternative to x.org) ? |
| 22:33.47 | zinx | Fish-Face: only the partition table portion gets used on anything but the boot device |
| 22:34.01 | Edgardoweb | go to channel #sucretux |
| 22:34.01 | Fish-Face | zinx, but you can boot from either drive, correct? |
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| 22:34.09 | Naglefar | which debian (sarge) package contains standard `prof' utility (profiler)? |
| 22:34.14 | Edgardoweb | pelox? |
| 22:34.19 | gravity | pattern: You can try building kdrive yourself, but good luck. It's going to be a challenge. Is Xorg really too heavyweight for you? |
| 22:34.24 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/prof sarge |
| 22:34.26 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:34.27 | zinx | Fish-Face: some newer bioses let you boot from other drives, but that's not the point here i suspect... GRUB can boot anything. |
| 22:34.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell Naglefar -about search |
| 22:34.39 | zinx | Fish-Face: it can even boot a floppy or CD if you ask it to |
| 22:34.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/prof' (1): (/usr/sbin/proftpd) in net/proftpd,net/proftpd-pgsql,net/proftpd-mysql,net/proftpd-ldap. |
| 22:34.47 | Fish-Face | good stuff |
| 22:34.48 | Edgardoweb | go to channel #sucretux |
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| 22:34.57 | Fish-Face | I expect it'll break when it comes to it anyway |
| 22:35.03 | Fish-Face | the debian installer doesn't like me |
| 22:35.06 | Fish-Face | ;) |
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| 22:35.22 | Fish-Face | In other words, I'll probably see you all tomorrow... |
| 22:35.24 | Fish-Face | bye :) |
| 22:35.40 | Naglefar | dondelelcaro: i know about search. can you tell exact packae name? |
| 22:35.41 | pattern | gravity, well, i'm running out of memory on my machine, and don't want to spend $400 to upgrade my memory... and X is one of the biggest memory hogs |
| 22:36.02 | ma3x | hi, anybody can help me with wireless? I don't know to what to set the retry (iwconfig wlan0 retry value) |
| 22:36.05 | Nopalin | in gento i cant do env-update, there is an equivalent in debian? |
| 22:36.07 | ma3x | anyone any suggestion? |
| 22:36.08 | dondelelcaro | Naglefar: the issue was that you could search for the exact file; in this case prof doesn't appear to be provided by any package in sarge. |
| 22:36.19 | gravity | kick-ass. openscenegraph's fix is already uploaded and waiting in NEW |
| 22:36.32 | gravity | pattern: It's not really so much X as the programs that you run for X |
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| 22:36.36 | ma3x | gravity, you fixed the DRI? |
| 22:36.38 | gravity | pattern: X isn't really all that heavy |
| 22:36.38 | streuner | grandma: its hard to help you at all without knowing the full details, but that sounds rather funny to me (system with sarge/etch/sid) |
| 22:36.39 | j4m3s_ | hello all |
| 22:36.43 | gravity | ma3x: wtf |
| 22:36.47 | Wyzard | gravity: What fix is that? (I've been using OSG lately and haven't noticed any problems, though admittedly I'm not doing anything advanced with it) |
| 22:36.49 | ma3x | :p |
| 22:36.53 | Naglefar | but isn't `prof' a standard UNIX utility? |
| 22:36.58 | dondelelcaro | Nopalin: we don't update profiles like that. |
| 22:37.00 | grandma | !google pin-priority |
| 22:37.04 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for pin-priority |
| 22:37.08 | grandma | bah |
| 22:37.08 | gravity | Wyzard: It doesn't allow for the standalone mesa packages. It requires xlibmesa* |
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| 22:37.13 | j4m3s_ | anyone have any experience with getting debian installed on a raid5 setup? |
| 22:37.18 | Nopalin | how i cant update profile? |
| 22:37.22 | Nopalin | can* |
| 22:37.29 | streuner | grandma: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 22:37.41 | dondelelcaro | Nopalin: edit /etc/profile if you want it to be system wide; otherwise set it in your shell |
| 22:37.46 | gravity | ma3x: If you want me to fix it, send me a patch. I'll apply it. |
| 22:37.47 | grandma | yea that |
| 22:37.54 | Wyzard | gravity: ah... and I've been using it on my laptop where I'm using the standard Mesa stuff anyway |
| 22:38.18 | pattern | gravity, ok, maybe i'm reading my top output wrong, then, since it shows X as having 220M virtual memory footprint |
| 22:38.24 | j4m3s_ | i cant install grub or lilo into the mbr of the first hd of my raid array |
| 22:38.28 | gravity | Wyzard: Well, the xlibmesa* stuff will become packages that simply depend on the stuff from the standalone mesa packages in a few weeks anyway, if all goes well |
| 22:38.47 | Wyzard | gravity: As a point of interest, I discovered yesterday that in addition to OpenSceneGraph, there's another free scenegraph library called... OpenSG :-) |
| 22:38.54 | gravity | pattern: That's because any app running in X uploads its pixmaps to the server and stores them there. Very little of that is actually used by the server itself |
| 22:38.56 | grandma | my pins aren't set sarge/etch/sid, they're set stable/unstable/testing |
| 22:38.59 | Nopalin | dondelelcaro, for example, i want do chroot, source /etc/profile, in gentoo i finish with evn-udate, i just nee do the first two options? |
| 22:39.15 | Nopalin | env-update* |
| 22:39.19 | gravity | Wyzard: Nifty. I've never worked with a scenegraph library so I don't really know what they do. I've been meaning to read about them for a long time now. |
| 22:39.24 | pattern | gravity, ah... thanks for explaining that for me... i guess i'll have to look for another solution |
| 22:39.43 | gravity | pattern: Stuff like mozilla or gnome are big hogs and take up a lot of space |
| 22:39.50 | gravity | They upload a lot of pixmaps to the server |
| 22:39.53 | Wyzard | gravity: It's just a framework for 3D rendering... rather than making all the GL calls yourself, you create objects and add them to a data structure and it traverses the data structure and makes the GL calls |
| 22:40.04 | kreg | how the hell did someone discover pop corn? |
| 22:40.09 | gravity | Wyzard: Oooh, spiffy. I liked working raw GL but it is cumbersome |
| 22:40.27 | SimonRaven | by cooking corn cobs ... |
| 22:40.28 | Wyzard | gravity: It makes it a lot easier to implement complicated things like dynamic LOD |
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| 22:41.08 | pattern | gravity, i'm not running either mozilla or gnome... just xchat, konqueror, xmms, the madman music manager... that's about it for major X apps |
| 22:41.16 | gravity | Wyzard: Very cool. Sadly despite all this time I've been spending with X I haven't had time to work with any graphics programming like I'd hoped |
| 22:41.18 | [M]erk | Has anyone gotten Csound to work, right from the package? I keep getting segfaults and I cannot locate the opcode dir, etc. Lots o' problems. If someone could help, that'd be great. |
| 22:41.24 | grandma | streuner i have the exact same setup for my laptop, and it didn't puke on sound when i installed alsa-base |
| 22:41.26 | gravity | pattern: konqueror is a biggie |
| 22:41.51 | gravity | pattern: If you were to restart X with only twm I'd bet it'd be much smaller |
| 22:41.56 | pattern | well, it's konqueror, opera, or firefox |
| 22:41.59 | streuner | grandma: maybe different packages... |
| 22:42.01 | j4m3s_ | raid setup on debian anyone have any experience? |
| 22:42.05 | gravity | pattern: Right, that's your reql question |
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| 22:42.10 | TGoC | reiser |
| 22:42.14 | Wyzard | gravity: I understand you kinda got sucked into Xorg maintainership just because there was nobody else to do it... |
| 22:42.17 | pattern | maybe i should stick to lynx ;) |
| 22:42.19 | grandma | they're pinned the same pulling from the same repositories |
| 22:42.22 | TGoC | Can someone tell me something bad about reiser4? |
| 22:42.27 | gravity | Wyzard: Sorta, but I'm enjoying it. I like working on it. It's fun and I learn a ton. |
| 22:42.31 | [M]erk | TGoC: alpha. |
| 22:42.40 | gravity | Wyzard: There's never enough time to do everything :-) |
| 22:42.42 | pattern | well, thanks for your help, gravity |
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| 22:42.47 | gravity | pattern: No problem. Good luck! |
| 22:42.53 | eleftherios | poem: That money talks, I won't deny. I heard it once, it said "Goodbye." |
| 22:42.54 | Wyzard | gravity: I know the feeling :-) |
| 22:42.56 | dondelelcaro | Nopalin: env-update apparently just runs through /etc/env.d to create a profile.env which is probably sourced by profile. It's entirely pointless in Debian, since very few packages should be playing with the environment like that. |
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| 22:43.14 | dondelelcaro | Nopalin: if packages in Debian need to do so, we do it by wrapping binaries instead, which is far more transparent. |
| 22:43.34 | streuner | grandma: we would need sources.list and the full error too... |
| 22:43.43 | Nopalin | dondelelcaro thanks for your help |
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| 22:44.13 | streuner | grandma: setting up ALSA in debian is usually pretty painless... |
| 22:44.28 | grandma | i figured that because i had no problems on my laptop |
| 22:44.46 | streuner | grandma: what's about OSS? |
| 22:44.47 | grandma | it's playing music right now to keep me sane, heh |
| 22:45.05 | streuner | grandma: did you try OSS? |
| 22:45.27 | grandma | the sound was working before, with whatever sarge comes with (used a network install disc) |
| 22:45.33 | grandma | but it was terrible |
| 22:45.47 | grandma | also some apps weren't getting sound at all, no matter how they were configured |
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| 22:46.18 | stew | dondelelcaro: just sent you another patch, this one even more simple than the last |
| 22:46.28 | grandma | oss/alsa...so i installed alsa-base, i don't know too much about the specifics of oss or alsa, and that's when the sound stopped sounding |
| 22:46.38 | dondelelcaro | uy ts nt qt te. |
| 22:46.46 | cire | I have a laptop, on which I want to install debian stable. It has only 16 MB of RAM, so what install-CD shall I use? |
| 22:46.52 | streuner | grandma: hm, just find out what soundmodule you need for OSS |
| 22:46.59 | grandma | emu10k1 |
| 22:47.09 | streuner | grandma: modprobe emu10k1 |
| 22:47.12 | Oboro | hello |
| 22:47.14 | streuner | pretty painless |
| 22:47.32 | streuner | grandma: the OSS emu10k1 driver is just great |
| 22:47.32 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, i saw thet second patch. That whole part needs to be rewritten, because calling zegrep like that is a really bad idea |
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| 22:47.47 | Seven_Six_Two | i had a problem before with no sound. It was because the kde sound system wasn't releasing the soundcard for 30 seconds after any system sounds |
| 22:47.48 | grandma | it was giving terrible results, SB Live 5.1 |
| 22:47.56 | grandma | not always, just unacceptable for me |
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| 22:48.03 | Nopalin | dondelelcaro: if i want to boot from sata drive, i just need to create an initrd image from sata, right? |
| 22:48.06 | grandma | sounded kinda raspy |
| 22:48.06 | Teratogen | does the debian "business card" iso install require an internet connection to install? |
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| 22:48.14 | Wyzard | Teratogen: yes |
| 22:48.18 | Teratogen | bah on that |
| 22:48.21 | stew | dondelelcaro: why is it so bad? |
| 22:48.25 | Teratogen | =D |
| 22:48.28 | Teratogen | thanks |
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| 22:48.46 | Oboro | why does everyone say it's so difficult to install debian? i've installed redhat and ubuntu before, and i know how to install apps via syanptic, is it THAT hard? |
| 22:48.57 | Wyzard | Teratogen: The difference between businesscard and netinst is that netinst contains the base system; businesscard does not, and has to download even that |
| 22:49.02 | gravity | Oboro: It was hard with the old installer for some people |
| 22:49.13 | Oboro | does the old installer look like the ubuntu one? |
| 22:49.16 | gravity | Oboro: That reputation doesn't hold up for sarge, but it seems to persist |
| 22:49.20 | dondelelcaro | stew: because it assumes that the regex before it to cull special characters is right, it uses shell interpolation in the call to zegrep... it's basically a exploitable problem waiting to happen. |
| 22:49.27 | gravity | Oboro: No, the Ubuntu installer is a derivative of the new Debian installer |
| 22:49.34 | Oboro | sarge is the stable one? |
| 22:49.35 | Wyzard | Some people still think it's difficult just because it doesn't launch an X-based GUI with 3D-shaded buttons and antialiased fonts, so it's intimidating |
| 22:49.37 | gravity | Oboro: Yes |
| 22:49.43 | Oboro | excuse me? derivative? |
| 22:49.46 | Oboro | what does it mean? |
| 22:49.51 | stew | dondelelcaro: ahh I see |
| 22:49.56 | deadcat | the woody installer is pretty straight forward to me. |
| 22:49.56 | cire | please, which install CD works with 16 MB of RAM? |
| 22:49.58 | grandma | streuner i think i'm just going to fry it and start over |
| 22:49.58 | Teratogen | I am gonna download the first two (big) isos |
| 22:49.58 | gravity | Oboro: Uh... they took the installer and customized it for their own needs |
| 22:50.02 | Teratogen | that should do it right? |
| 22:50.12 | dondelelcaro | stew: it probably should just be reading the file in using zcat or something, then looping with a sanitized regex in a restricted Safe |
| 22:50.12 | streuner | grandma: good luck |
| 22:50.16 | Seven_Six_Two | Oboro, I tried an expert woody install as my first intro to linux. I was pretty worried. and it didn't work well with my random choices... |
| 22:50.16 | Oboro | hmmm |
| 22:50.18 | Teratogen | do the first two isos include KDE? |
| 22:50.27 | dondelelcaro | (or no regex at all in \Q\E) |
| 22:50.29 | kspath | The people whining about installers now have NO idea how it used to be. |
| 22:50.32 | Wyzard | cire: It'd probably be best to use a full installation CD, because that way it won't have to download anything on-the-fly |
| 22:50.38 | Teratogen | I like slackware's installer |
| 22:50.43 | Teratogen | and netbsd/freebsd installers are nice |
| 22:50.47 | Teratogen | all curses based |
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| 22:50.55 | Wyzard | cire: Your top priority should be to get a swap partition active as early as possible |
| 22:51.03 | Oboro | seven_six_two, what's your point? |
| 22:51.10 | Oboro | does it have a "happy ending"? |
| 22:51.14 | cire | Thanks Wyzard, I'll try the current stable CD1. |
| 22:51.14 | deadcat | Teratogen: typing setup is NOT ncurses |
| 22:51.19 | dondelelcaro | everything else is superrfluous |
| 22:51.34 | _clem | hi there... I need sd_mod, usb-storage and usb-uhci.. how can I check if they are built in my kernel ? |
| 22:51.42 | Oboro | do you know where i can see screenshots of the installation? |
| 22:51.43 | Teratogen | deadcat, certainly looks like ncurses is being used |
| 22:51.43 | Oboro | i'm curious |
| 22:51.44 | Wyzard | cire: I think there might be a boot option you can use on the install CD to tell it you're installing on a low-memory system... that'll make it do the partitioning step earlier, so you can create a swap partition |
| 22:51.46 | Seven_Six_Two | oh yes. after trying mandrake, suse, slack, fedora, I'm back with debian again. |
| 22:51.48 | mrverbose | i am on testing and need some packages from unstable (for onlinebanking). how do in install those packages? |
| 22:51.53 | gravity | Oboro: It looks a hell of a lot like the ubuntu installation |
| 22:52.00 | azeem | Oboro: on osdir I think |
| 22:52.00 | mrverbose | i do not want to upgrade to unstable completely |
| 22:52.00 | gravity | Oboro: It asks you a few more questions by default |
| 22:52.02 | Teratogen | at least in parts of the setups for slackware/netbsd/freebsd |
| 22:52.02 | deadcat | Teratogen: ya. but you have to type root, then setup right? (= |
| 22:52.03 | grandma | streuner this is my second time reinstalling this weekend, heh making for the third attempt. first retry was because i brute forced some packages in and broke lots of stuff at once. heh |
| 22:52.08 | Teratogen | right! |
| 22:52.09 | Teratogen | =D |
| 22:52.13 | amee2k | I want to do 1) local mail delivery 2) accept mail via smtp 3) forward non-local mail to specified host (mail gateway on dynamic ip forwarding to another mail gateway). what should i select as MTA configuration? |
| 22:52.13 | Oboro | such as ? |
| 22:52.15 | gravity | Oboro: Just be sure you tell it to install the desktop task when you install |
| 22:52.19 | azeem | Oboro: just try it |
| 22:52.23 | Oboro | desktop task? |
| 22:52.31 | Oboro | oh, you can choose the packages? |
| 22:52.32 | Wyzard | amee2k: smarthost |
| 22:52.35 | gravity | Oboro: You'll know when you come to it |
| 22:52.44 | cire | I'll try this! |
| 22:52.50 | gravity | Oboro: If you're really worried, you sould read the manual. Actually, you should read the manual anyway. |
| 22:52.58 | _clem | how can I know what options were included in my kernel ?? |
| 22:53.01 | grandma | i had a 2 year old polluted SuSE |
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| 22:53.08 | Oboro | it's not that im' worried |
| 22:53.10 | Teratogen | does anyone know if the first two isos contain KDE? |
| 22:53.11 | Oboro | i was just wondering |
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| 22:53.14 | deadcat | _clem: check /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 22:53.15 | Wyzard | cire: according to <http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en>, you need at least 32MB, so don't be surprised if it doesn't work |
| 22:53.19 | Teratogen | or just Gnome? |
| 22:53.24 | DragonD | How can i get samba to work onver the internet? |
| 22:53.26 | _clem | deadcat : thanks |
| 22:53.26 | Oboro | i've used ubuntu for like a month or two and got along with it very well |
| 22:53.28 | azeem | Teratogen: both |
| 22:53.30 | amee2k | thx |
| 22:53.32 | Teratogen | k thanks |
| 22:53.34 | Oboro | got synaptic going and all |
| 22:53.41 | deadcat | DragonD: run samba and open the ports on your router |
| 22:53.43 | Oboro | so i was thinking... why not go with the "real deal"? |
| 22:53.45 | Oboro | if you get me ^_^ |
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| 22:53.59 | kspath | I do not get you. |
| 22:53.59 | dondelelcaro | _clem: if you want to install Debian on something smaller than that, your best bet is to rip the drive out and run the install on a larger machine, then migrate the drive back, or install an older version of Debian. |
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| 22:54.11 | gravity | Oboro: Well, then just go for it. If worst comes worst, you go back to ubuntu or something |
| 22:54.12 | Oboro | btw, where's the manual? |
| 22:54.17 | gravity | Oboro: www.debian.org |
| 22:54.22 | DragonD | deadcat: i ask cause i have samba running on my dedicated server but i can't get windows to connect to it |
| 22:54.29 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Did you mean to address cire? |
| 22:54.41 | deadcat | DragonD: did you create the users? |
| 22:54.58 | _clem | dondelelcaro : no no... I'm fine with my install.. I just need to get my memory stick working.. |
| 22:55.20 | DragonD | deadcat: i used smbpasswd -a user was that correct? |
| 22:55.22 | Seven_Six_Two | oboro, which release are you going to try? |
| 22:55.35 | deadcat | DragonD: ya. thats about all you need. |
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| 22:56.08 | DragonD | deadcat: i tried a nbtstat -A <ip of server> on windows and got nothing |
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| 22:57.00 | deadcat | DragonD: i dont know. can you just use your browser to do a \\ip or something? thats all i know about samba |
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| 22:57.05 | [Cadet] | DragonD: Tried smbclient -L hostname -U% on the linux server? It'll give you some idea if it is available and showing shares |
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| 22:57.28 | cire | Oh, I forgot one thing: I am using a IDE to Compact-flash adaptor instead of a harddisk. So I should decrease the "disk"-Access. Is there an option for this, or how would you avoid lot of disk accesses? |
| 22:57.42 | Shorty` | ramdisk? :) |
| 22:57.51 | Shorty` | load /var etcetc into ram? :) |
| 22:58.00 | cire | I have 16 megs... |
| 22:58.06 | Shorty` | hrm |
| 22:58.06 | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk | hey there, anybody knows a good cheap dedicated server housing locatoin ... to get a dedicated debian hosted somewhere? |
| 22:58.10 | Shorty` | don't log then :) |
| 22:58.11 | Wyzard | cire: Don't use a journaled filesystem |
| 22:58.13 | shad0w1e | anyone know how I can set GNOME to not autorun the CD drive on startup (but yes autorun when a disc is inserted) |
| 22:58.15 | [Cadet] | DragonD: testparm is a good thing to run also to make sure you have no syntax errors on smb.conf |
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| 22:58.22 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: dreamhost.com cheap and really good |
| 22:58.34 | Shorty` | cire; whats th purpose of the machine? |
| 22:58.35 | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk | thanks deadcat will check it out right now |
| 22:58.39 | cire | okay, great. Thank you guys. |
| 22:58.48 | Wyzard | cire: and run as few services and other such programs as possible, to avoid going past the 16MB limit and using your swap |
| 22:58.54 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: oh. nevermind. not dedicated. you get a shell and stuff. you dont have control of the machine |
| 22:58.54 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 22:58.59 | Shorty` | swap is going to KILL it.. |
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| 22:59.08 | DragonD | The smb.conf is good |
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| 22:59.19 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: but if thats what you need. can you user deadcat as the referrer? thanks (= |
| 22:59.22 | Shorty` | cire; whats the main purpose for the machine? |
| 22:59.41 | eros | oi |
| 22:59.48 | Seven_Six_Two | oi |
| 22:59.49 | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk | deadcat in case will sure do, but 100 bucks... hmmm |
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| 23:00.08 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: $7/month for 2 years. |
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| 23:00.13 | DragonD | the samba server is working i think it's more the windows side. |
| 23:00.25 | Wyzard | cire: You might want to consider using a different distribution, one that's meant specifically for low-memory or embedded systems |
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| 23:00.42 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: they run debian. very secure. |
| 23:00.52 | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk | deadcat then I must be blind... 7 for 2 years?... I think u just got a referral ;) |
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| 23:00.53 | jjazz | !nickometer HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk |
| 23:00.54 | dpkg | 'HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk' is 98.780% lame, jjazz |
| 23:01.08 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: no. $7/month if you sign up for a 2 year plan. |
| 23:01.10 | SperMite | whats the command for chrooting into a .run file? |
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| 23:01.22 | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk | jepp got that one |
| 23:01.23 | Oboro | mmm.. what exactly is the difference between ubuntu and debian? except the fact that ubuntu has bleeding edge packages? |
| 23:01.27 | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk | jjazz, tell me news |
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| 23:01.36 | streuner | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: change your nick, before we get eyecancer, please :-) |
| 23:01.38 | jugheadtn | spermite are you in #mepis on freenode? |
| 23:01.48 | deadcat | HaCKeT|FiZZ^wrk: cool. thats where i store my important files too. (= backup plan is amazing. |
| 23:01.49 | grandma | isn't ubuntu just like running sid? |
| 23:01.55 | grandma | i've never messed with ubuntu |
| 23:01.56 | Oboro | sid? |
| 23:01.56 | Wyzard | cire: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ maybe |
| 23:02.01 | Amarande | !sid |
| 23:02.01 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 23:02.02 | SperMite | jugheadtn |
| 23:02.02 | streuner | grandma: no |
| 23:02.12 | SimonRaven | other than being one of the worst nicks i've seen, sure |
| 23:02.12 | deadcat | grandma: nope. |
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| 23:02.15 | streuner | grandma: ubuntu isn't debian |
| 23:02.23 | SperMite | jugheadtn yes |
| 23:02.25 | grandma | yea i'm aware of that |
| 23:02.27 | grandma | but package wise |
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| 23:02.37 | SimonRaven | no |
| 23:02.45 | jugheadtn | cool |
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| 23:02.53 | Wyzard | Ubunut releases are basically snapshots of sid with some stabilization work done and further features added |
| 23:03.06 | Oboro | really? |
| 23:03.06 | jugheadtn | I'm not sure about your question though, I've only chrooted a couple of times |
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| 23:03.22 | Wyzard | They're not "stable" releases in the sense of Debian's stable release process, but they're decent if you want a more up-to-date desktop system |
| 23:03.23 | streuner | Wyzard: sounds you are an expert of ubuntu? |
| 23:03.31 | deadcat | i recommend ubuntu to new users, and when they ask me for help. i say.. i dont know, i dont use ubuntu (= |
| 23:03.32 | Wyzard | I wouldn't want to put Ubuntu on a server |
| 23:03.36 | Shorty` | I agree.. |
| 23:03.36 | gravity | I'm no ubuntu expert, but even I know that |
| 23:03.40 | Wyzard | streuner: Not an expert, but I've used it a bit |
| 23:03.42 | SperMite | jugheadtn i always forget |
| 23:03.54 | Shorty` | Ubuntu is my pick for newish users wanting to use linux |
| 23:03.56 | Shorty` | :) |
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| 23:03.57 | Oboro | well, wyzard, i used ubuntu for a month or two, i'm a home user and i really like linux |
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| 23:04.08 | Oboro | do you think i should make the move to debian? |
| 23:04.09 | linoleum | hi guys, I am under KDE, and I using Konqueror to veiw webpage... and there is a page without link but with javascritp:void(0) insted... and when I click on it, nothing hapen... what should I do to activate this link??? maybe I should install a package about javascript??? |
| 23:04.11 | jjazz | Oboro: Ubuntu seems pretty well geared for home users |
| 23:04.18 | SperMite | jugheadtn might be chmod |
| 23:04.19 | Wyzard | Ubuntu's biggest drawback is its horribly ugly brown default theme :-) |
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| 23:04.28 | jjazz | Oboro: If you're on a laptop, Ubuntu has better hardware detection, although Debian isn't far behind these days. |
| 23:04.29 | streuner | How the hell can you know that for EVERY single package then? :-) |
| 23:04.36 | jugheadtn | yeah that's the one I've used |
| 23:04.36 | Oboro | i'm not on a laptop |
| 23:04.42 | zinx | Wyzard: and everyone knows the default theme is the most important thing any OS can have |
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| 23:04.49 | SimonRaven | eh, it's not bad. earthy tones are relaxing |
| 23:04.53 | jugheadtn | what do you want to do with the .run file spermite? |
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| 23:04.56 | Amarande | yeah, even pure sid would probably run better on this box than Windows XP did ... heh |
| 23:05.01 | Oboro | but i mean, would you recommend ubuntu over debian for home users? |
| 23:05.02 | qalim | linoleum, I think it is some javascript that konqeror doe not uunderstand |
| 23:05.04 | ravv | I actually like the brown :) |
| 23:05.10 | qalim | try with another browser |
| 23:05.12 | Anthro | Can anyone get to mozilla.com? |
| 23:05.14 | ravv | But i do miss the pretty girsl |
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| 23:05.16 | jjazz | Oboro: Ubuntu does a little more setup for you, whereas Debian gives you more choice and trusts you to know what you're doing |
| 23:05.20 | ravv | girls* |
| 23:05.24 | forbidden | wow |
| 23:05.25 | streuner | Wyzard: read what A. Towns said about |
| 23:05.26 | forbidden | :)) |
| 23:05.28 | azeem | Oboro: just try Debian, if you think it's too rough, try Ubuntu |
| 23:05.30 | Oboro | i mean, if i delt with ubuntu, shouldn't i be able to deal with debian? |
| 23:05.35 | Oboro | already did ubuntu |
| 23:05.36 | azeem | Oboro: probably |
| 23:05.41 | SimonRaven | Oboro: for newbies sure. debian is more hard core, IME |
| 23:05.44 | Amarande | Oboro: Also make sure you download both the Etch and Sarge installation ISOs. |
| 23:05.46 | Oboro | that's why i think of moving to the real deal |
| 23:05.48 | azeem | Oboro: you will have to try it out |
| 23:05.49 | Wyzard | streuner: About what? |
| 23:05.57 | Oboro | how many cds is it? |
| 23:05.59 | Amarande | You may want the etch kernel packages handy if you have trouble, like I did. |
| 23:06.00 | SperMite | jugheadtn its a doom3 installer. i need to chmod -x then ./ it i think |
| 23:06.01 | linoleum | qalim: yes , there is a little but on the page, and konqueror tells me that there is errors on the webpage ... but I still would like to be able to read it , as my friends under windows do :) |
| 23:06.01 | grandma | holy hell, that's like 30 CDs isn't it Amarande ? |
| 23:06.07 | streuner | Wyzard: packages in ubuntu and debian |
| 23:06.09 | Amarande | grandma: I only got the netinst's |
| 23:06.12 | Amarande | those are 1 disc each |
| 23:06.14 | grandma | ah, that's all i use |
| 23:06.17 | grandma | netinst |
| 23:06.24 | deadcat | netinstall is 34MB |
| 23:06.31 | forbidden | i am trying to install debian 3.1 and it doesn`t recognize my hdd becouse it`s sata. i don`t see any other option to add a driver or something when i boot from the cd. is there a way i can sove this? |
| 23:06.39 | forbidden | solve * |
| 23:06.42 | Wyzard | streuner: I know there are differences, and I know there are occasional battles about the way Ubuntu's changes are contributed back to Debian |
| 23:06.43 | Amarande | I had to get the etch ISO too though since the sarge 2.6 kernel has bugs in e1000 that are exercised by my particular eth card (of course. Doesn't Murphy's Law guarantee this anyway ... :) |
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| 23:06.50 | CcSsNET | boot 2.6 kernel |
| 23:06.53 | Amarande | Murphy's Law of Bugs. |
| 23:07.01 | Amarande | If there are bugs, they will be ones that actually affect your computer. :) |
| 23:07.09 | CcSsNET | forbiden it defaults 2.4 series |
| 23:07.13 | qalim | linoleum, are you a troll ? |
| 23:07.16 | jugheadtn | the .run isn't already +x? |
| 23:07.17 | CcSsNET | boot the 2.6 kernel |
| 23:07.26 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: that -layout trick works nicely.. i set up a clone lcd+tv layout and a single lcd 1280x1024 layout for games |
| 23:07.30 | qalim | if not use firefox |
| 23:07.33 | SimonRaven | linux26 or whatever |
| 23:07.39 | forbidden | aha |
| 23:07.41 | forbidden | thanks |
| 23:07.44 | CcSsNET | yup |
| 23:07.44 | gravity | Wyzard: They don't really contribute changes back. Changes are pulled back by Debian, the same way they're pulled from anywhere else |
| 23:07.47 | Oboro | debian looks more customizable (sp) |
| 23:07.51 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: same here. very nice. |
| 23:07.56 | Amarande | linoleum: if it's weird javascript that doesn't work on linux ... |
| 23:08.03 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: but i dont know how to do it for ati cards yet though. |
| 23:08.05 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: plus i learned more how X works |
| 23:08.10 | Amarande | your Windows friends probably view it as something like "Thank you, Cool Web Search is now installed" :) |
| 23:08.11 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: (= |
| 23:08.18 | DragonD | ok how do i get windows to connect to the samba server accross the internet? |
| 23:08.20 | Wyzard | gravity: But they make the changes available on their website and consider that to be contributing... hence the arguments :-) |
| 23:08.23 | linoleum | qalim: why should I be me a troll man, I am always telling my friend that linux rules, and now I can't read a link that they can do under their I.E 5 !! well that's obviously not my fault |
| 23:08.27 | streuner | SimonRaven: and how you come to the conclusion ubuntu would be easier for newbies? That's crap |
| 23:08.27 | gravity | Wyzard: Right |
| 23:08.32 | Oboro | i mean, you can choose a desktop env. or a webserver etc. on the installation process |
| 23:08.39 | Amarande | streuner: many people think Windows is easier for newbies :) |
| 23:08.40 | Oboro | it sounds nice |
| 23:08.41 | deadcat | DragonD: you sure no firewall blocking? ping port 135 or 139 or something |
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| 23:08.50 | markkitt | hi |
| 23:08.53 | Wyzard | linoleum: Complain to the site that it's using nonstandard IE-specific JavaScript stuff |
| 23:08.54 | SimonRaven | *yawn*. to each their own |
| 23:08.55 | Amarande | Heck, I'm a seasoned computer veteran, and I gave up on trying to get XP to work with this box. :) |
| 23:08.57 | Oboro | cuz i wanna have control over it and not letting it install loads of packages |
| 23:09.15 | Amarande | There's no hardware problems ... just seems that XP hates it for some reason. |
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| 23:09.22 | streuner | SimonRaven: fact is, that there aren't better tools, these DD's didn't invent much more new... |
| 23:09.31 | Oboro | what's "exim"? |
| 23:09.37 | deadcat | Oboro: mta |
| 23:09.38 | Amarande | I think Microsoft needs to release new versions of Windows more often, actually. |
| 23:09.43 | Amarande | Oboro: it's used for sending and receiving mail |
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| 23:09.47 | jjazz | Oboro: It's a mail transfer agent |
| 23:09.51 | SimonRaven | 1) don't put words in my mouth 2) IWNBT |
| 23:09.52 | Wyzard | Amarande: I used to have a SCSI card that worked perfectly in Linux, but would reliably bluescreen Windows (2000, XP, and 2003) just by being installed |
| 23:09.57 | deadcat | Amarande: ya. and people bitch about debian releases (= |
| 23:09.57 | amee2k | i just crippeled the mta configuration and the setup module doesn't restart. how can i re-run it manually after i cleaned up the config file mess? |
| 23:10.02 | DragonD | deadcat: pritty sure. |
| 23:10.04 | ativan | I think MS should die, actually :> |
| 23:10.11 | deadcat | DragonD: whats the ip? |
| 23:10.14 | Amarande | depending on your particular setup, you may not need it to send, since your mail client may handle sending on its own |
| 23:10.15 | Oboro | ok the installation screenshots looks exactly like ubuntu's |
| 23:10.21 | linoleum | Wyzard: it's a google web page made : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521044027821122670 |
| 23:10.27 | Amarande | but if you use, e.g., fetchmail to get your mail, you may need it for receiving |
| 23:10.30 | SimonRaven | amee2k: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:10.31 | deadcat | Oboro: we dont want to know your step by step |
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| 23:10.38 | Amarande | also some programs on the local machine may need to send mail to local users, and you need an MTA for that, too. |
| 23:10.39 | soppman | EhEOUh |
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| 23:10.43 | jjazz | Oboro: It's basically the same. Debian asks you a couple more questions, but aside from that it's the same drill. |
| 23:10.44 | amee2k | thx |
| 23:10.52 | Oboro | sorry, i'm not installating, just looking at screenshots |
| 23:10.53 | soppman | no isakmpd users in here ? who perhaps gotten an extra device to pop up ? |
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| 23:11.05 | SimonRaven | Oboro: yes, since ubuntu pulled "their" installer from debian |
| 23:11.07 | soppman | the tunnel is working though |
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| 23:11.20 | Amarande | Wyzard: Well, I'm still entirely drawing a blank on what Windows hates. |
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| 23:11.23 | jjazz | Oboro: But, when you emerge on the other end of it, you'll have fewer packages installed. |
| 23:11.40 | Wyzard | linoleum: Oh... I don't use Google Video myself but I'm pretty sure I've seen my brother using it in Debian... I believe it requires Flash, and that might be the component you don't have |
| 23:11.40 | Oboro | well, it can be a good thing, can't it? |
| 23:11.48 | jjazz | Oboro: Sure. |
| 23:11.49 | Oboro | why let it install loads of stuff i dont' even need? |
| 23:11.52 | Amarande | I know it didn't like software that installed via InstallShield version 6 very much, and it definitely didn't want me to have my ATI video drivers. |
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| 23:12.06 | jason | How do i recursivly tar up .txt files (skipping the other types) ? |
| 23:12.12 | Amarande | By the way, why did my monitor lose capability recently? |
| 23:12.15 | DragonD | deadcat: ok i just tried "telnet" to connect fomr my windows computer to my samba server on ports 135 139, 139 timedout 135 was refused.. but my firewall is disabled and my router was set to this computer in the dmz... |
| 23:12.20 | DragonD | any other ideas? |
| 23:12.25 | Amarande | Before I got an X1600, I could always run it at 85 Hz vertical refresh. |
| 23:12.33 | deadcat | DragonD: whats the ip |
| 23:12.36 | linoleum | ok wyzard . well I'm going to see for flash package.. but I have already installed one, but it seems to not working very well |
| 23:12.38 | DragonD | 209.190.4.34 |
| 23:12.40 | lpb-oberon | jason |
| 23:12.41 | Amarande | Now I can get only 75, and sometimes it defaults to 60. |
| 23:12.57 | jason | lpb: ? |
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| 23:13.02 | sandman | Do I lose any features by using libncursesw5-dev instead of libncurses5-dev? |
| 23:13.04 | ativan | Amarande: configure your X server properly :> |
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| 23:13.09 | Wyzard | linoleum: "flashplugin-nonfree" is the name of the package... as the name implies, you need non-free in your sources.list |
| 23:13.17 | Amarande | Yeah, that reminds me, I need to see what it takes to get the ATI X server installed. |
| 23:13.23 | lpb-oberon | jason: find . -name "*.txt" -exec tar ...... '{}' \; |
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| 23:13.35 | gravity | Amarande: s/server/driver/ |
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| 23:13.39 | linoleum | Wyzard: haa ok , I 've installed the free package, maybe it s not working perfectly :) tkx mate |
| 23:13.39 | deadcat | DragonD: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/smb seems ok to me |
| 23:13.45 | ccg | how can i view an .mkv movie |
| 23:13.58 | Seven_Six_Two | ccg, matroska codecs |
| 23:14.00 | ativan | I go with NVidia, they have better support from what I've read :> |
| 23:14.21 | jason | lpb: exec tar -cf /path/to/tar.tar '{}' \; ? |
| 23:14.29 | thingfish | ativan...isn't that some drug? |
| 23:14.30 | ativan | although I don't do anything 3D |
| 23:14.33 | jason | well i guess i would add to the tar |
| 23:14.33 | Seven_Six_Two | erm...container format...not codec |
| 23:14.39 | ccg | Seven_Six_Two: is there a package for them |
| 23:14.40 | Amarande | gravity: it's a kernel driver, not an X server? |
| 23:14.42 | lpb-oberon | jason: take a look at the tar man page - there should be an option add to archive |
| 23:14.46 | DragonD | deadcat: yeah the server is ok but i can't get windows to connect ot it |
| 23:14.49 | Oboro | do i need all 14 cds for installation? *_* |
| 23:14.55 | Seven_Six_Two | ccg, on their site i think |
| 23:14.55 | gravity | Amarande: An X driver, not an X server. |
| 23:14.58 | Amarande | Oboro: No. |
| 23:15.04 | epsilon | Oboro: sarge? |
| 23:15.04 | thingfish | Oboro: no, just the first one or two. |
| 23:15.06 | gravity | Amarande: It may have a kernel driver too, I don't know |
| 23:15.09 | Oboro | sarge yes |
| 23:15.14 | Amarande | Oboro, do you have broadband? |
| 23:15.18 | Oboro | yes |
| 23:15.19 | epsilon | Oboro: first linux? |
| 23:15.23 | Oboro | nope |
| 23:15.23 | Amarande | Just download the netinst ISO, then. |
| 23:15.27 | deadcat | DragonD: you can type \\ip on the windows browser? |
| 23:15.29 | Oboro | used redhat ages ago |
| 23:15.32 | thingfish | absolutely. |
| 23:15.33 | epsilon | Oboro: take netinstall then |
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| 23:15.37 | Oboro | and ubuntu before |
| 23:15.39 | Oboro | ok thanx |
| 23:15.41 | thingfish | Oboro: so did I. |
| 23:15.43 | Oboro | thought so |
| 23:15.44 | DragonD | deadcat: times out |
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| 23:15.47 | Amarande | Make sure you get BOTH the Sarge and Etch netinst's though. |
| 23:15.47 | grandma | netinstall is the best |
| 23:15.52 | Amarande | In case you need the kernel package from etch. |
| 23:15.58 | deadcat | DragonD: strange. can you create a user for me? |
| 23:16.00 | ativan | what I don't understand is, why does ATI distribute drivers when support is supposed to be (I thought, anyway) in the kernel and the X server? |
| 23:16.00 | Oboro | reall thingfish? you used ubuntu before? |
| 23:16.04 | thingfish | Oboro: no pretty gui system tools in Debian. Beware! ;) |
| 23:16.08 | grandma | there's an etch netinst? i could never find that |
| 23:16.09 | Oboro | why would i need the old kernel? |
| 23:16.19 | DragonD | deadcat: your on linux right? |
| 23:16.20 | Matt-H | DragonD: IIRC you might need the "File and printer sharing" enabled on the public iface on the windows machine (Properties for the net connection) |
| 23:16.26 | Oboro | what do you mean by that thingfish? |
| 23:16.27 | streuner | grandma: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:16.27 | Amarande | Oboro: Sarge has 2.6.8, Etch has 2.6.12. |
| 23:16.29 | deadcat | DragonD: ya. but i can try smbmount |
| 23:16.33 | thingfish | Oboro: yes, but mainly before Debian I used Red Hat/Fedora. |
| 23:16.34 | lpb-oberon | jason: -r |
| 23:16.35 | dr_doom | Amarande, look under www.linuks.mine.nu, it has instructions on how to setup ati 3d opengl |
| 23:16.44 | Amarande | Sometimes specific kernel versions have glitches with particular hardware. |
| 23:16.56 | thingfish | Oboro: you'll find out. |
| 23:17.01 | Amarande | Like, for instance, my Intel PRO/1000 GT, which works like a champ under 2.6.12 but 2.6.8 didn't want to play nice with it. |
| 23:17.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:17.03 | streuner | grandma: etch installer (2.6.12) or etch beta installer (2.6.15) |
| 23:17.14 | Oboro | i think i wanna know those things in advance :) |
| 23:17.20 | Seven_Six_Two | ativan, you still need the module, and they aren't open source |
| 23:17.22 | epsilon | Oboro: sarge uses 2.4.28 or 2.6.8, if you want new one just compile kernel.org one |
| 23:17.25 | ccg | whats good about ubuntu aside from the gui's |
| 23:17.28 | thingfish | play that funky music, white boy! |
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| 23:17.35 | Oboro | after all, it uses gnome as well so? |
| 23:17.38 | Wyzard | epsilon: or get a backport of one of the newer kernel packages... |
| 23:17.38 | Amarande | Might want to learn kernel-package before compiling, though. |
| 23:17.40 | streuner | ccg: ask that in #ubuntu |
| 23:17.42 | grandma | ah, i've been working off a sarge netinst and modifying the sources.list, my hardware isn't exactly up to date |
| 23:17.45 | Amarande | It helps you keep your kernels organized. |
| 23:17.47 | threat | streuner, :P |
| 23:17.49 | thingfish | ccg: wouldn't we all like to know. |
| 23:17.56 | ativan | Seven_Six_Two: I thought DRI offered that? |
| 23:18.00 | Amarande | Plus if you make a proper linux-image .deb, it should automatically add your kernel to GRUB. |
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| 23:18.29 | Seven_Six_Two | i've only ever had hardware acceleration with ati's drivers |
| 23:18.31 | DragonD | Matt-H: i have it enabled cause my internet assecc goes through a router |
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| 23:18.50 | epsilon | Amarande: oh yeah, I'm too lazy to execute "update-grub" |
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| 23:19.25 | Amarande | Actually, that's the first I've heard about update-grub. |
| 23:19.34 | cire | I now tried to install debian on my laptop (compact-flash instead of harddisk), but I always get after sth with "filesystem": "alloc pages", and "0 order", and after that "KERNEL PANIC". |
| 23:19.38 | Amarande | Like I said, I've been WAY out of the loop. When I last used linux, 'make zlilo' was the norm. |
| 23:19.43 | _clem | how can I add kernel modules ? I mean.. where do I find them ? |
| 23:19.43 | DragonD | i'm about to give up..... |
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| 23:19.53 | deadcat | DragonD: create an account for me yet? |
| 23:20.25 | epsilon | Amarande: then don't give another ppl deprecated information |
| 23:20.25 | _clem | kernel modules are not in the repositories are they ?? |
| 23:20.28 | DragonD | deadcat: for that i have to add a unix user |
| 23:20.34 | SerajewelKS | how do i disable font subpixel hinting in gnome apps? (already off for kde) |
| 23:20.34 | Amarande | dr_doom: it said something about "Nothing here, move along." |
| 23:20.40 | Amarande | Is that REALLY the page for setting up ATI OpenGL? |
| 23:20.43 | deadcat | DragonD: true. |
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| 23:21.06 | grandma | SerajewelKS try #gnome? |
| 23:21.26 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: If you're running GNOME, there's a "Font" applet in the preferences menu |
| 23:21.33 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: yeah, i'm not |
| 23:21.42 | threat | grandma, are you in #fob_off_masters ? |
| 23:21.51 | deadcat | DragonD: you are doing: mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test with your username/passwd right? |
| 23:22.02 | grandma | threat uhh no |
| 23:22.06 | SerajewelKS | not sure why but i've never seen any LCD monitor where subpixel hinting helps anything, laptops included. for some reason it looks terrible to me. |
| 23:22.07 | lpb-oberon | jason: or try tar cjf txt.bz2 `find . -name "*.txt" | xargs` |
| 23:22.08 | thingfish | hehe grandma - that's a hoot of a nick. |
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| 23:22.35 | DragonD | deadcat: on the windows computer???? |
| 23:22.37 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: screenshot. i dont know what subtext mean |
| 23:22.42 | deadcat | DragonD: try it on a linux box. |
| 23:22.43 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Well, the setting is stored in GConf... you could use gconf-editor to set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/antialiasing/antialiasing to "grayscale" |
| 23:22.51 | pjv | what's the diff between imap and pop3? |
| 23:23.04 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: subpicel hinting is where the font edges are colorized red, green, or blue so they look "sharper" on LCD monitors |
| 23:23.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: Subpixel antialiasing is what Windows calls "ClearType" |
| 23:23.08 | SerajewelKS | subpixel too |
| 23:23.17 | DragonD | deadcat: it works on another server of mine |
| 23:23.18 | deadcat | pjv: pop3 downloads email to your local machine. imap can keep on the server |
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| 23:23.34 | deadcat | Wyzard: no clue. like the blur stuff or something? |
| 23:23.34 | Matt-H | pjv: IMAP supports server-side mail folders too |
| 23:23.37 | DragonD | deadcat: i just can't connect to it localy |
| 23:23.39 | Wyzard | deadcat: It effectively increases the horizontal resolution of your screen (for the purposes of antialiasing, at least) so you get sharper text |
| 23:23.41 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: i suppose i could xinit a gnome session too =/ |
| 23:23.44 | deadcat | DragonD: so just windows aint working? |
| 23:23.58 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: but IMO it looks *terrible* on any LCD screen |
| 23:24.00 | deadcat | Wyzard: oh. |
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| 23:24.14 | pjv | ahh thank you |
| 23:24.17 | lpb-oberon | jason: working? |
| 23:24.20 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: i can see the colors and it annoys me =P |
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| 23:24.26 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: screenshot is the best when explaining things that needs to be seen. |
| 23:24.29 | DragonD | deadcat yeah i think. |
| 23:24.31 | DragonD | hold on |
| 23:24.44 | Amarande | Grrr, ATI's driver packages are all RPMs. |
| 23:24.47 | benjamindees | what program can I use to multiplex mpeg 2 streams? |
| 23:24.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: Well, antialiasing isn't blurring... but with grayscale AA, the entire pixel is tinted to some shade of gray; with subpixel, the pixel is tinted slightly either red or blue so that either the left side or the right side is lit more brightly |
| 23:25.04 | deadcat | Amarande: you can just use the "ati" driver if you dont need glx |
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| 23:25.07 | Amarande | I guess it's time to get alien. Speaking of which, does alien tend to pollute systems when used? |
| 23:25.10 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: and green, don't forget green |
| 23:25.14 | Seven_Six_Two | Amarande...maybe alien can help |
| 23:25.23 | justin | Wyzard: and green |
| 23:25.29 | ativan | get rpm2targz or rpm2tgz |
| 23:25.33 | ativan | alien wants rpm |
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| 23:25.55 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: http://www.imageshack.us/img/hosty.png |
| 23:26.01 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: perfect example of subpixel hinting |
| 23:26.02 | Seven_Six_Two | yes. and Amarande said they're all rpm |
| 23:26.09 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS, justin: Green's in the middle and not very useful... you'd have to be antialiasing something pretty narrow indeed to want to light the middle of the pixel but not the sides |
| 23:26.25 | justin | Amarande: maybe you should google for 'fglrx debian' |
| 23:26.45 | SerajewelKS | what's the gnome DE binary? (e.g. startkde for kde) |
| 23:26.48 | justin | Wyzard: uh, except for when you need to antialias something that needs 2 out of 3 pixels |
| 23:26.56 | thingfish | gnome-session? |
| 23:26.56 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: try this file: |
| 23:27.17 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: either way it's an abomination |
| 23:27.32 | justin | Wyzard: look at http://grc.com/ctwhat.htm until it makes sense |
| 23:27.35 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: backup your /etc/fonts and copy these 2 files see if its better: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/fonts/ |
| 23:27.36 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: It doesn't bother me |
| 23:27.52 | Seven_Six_Two | Amarande, the installer should work...it's a .run |
| 23:28.02 | Wyzard | justin: Yes, I do understand how it works |
| 23:28.09 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: problem is i can see the colors on the side. i don't know if i have a really good monitor or what, or if gnome/whatever's hinting algorithm sucks. |
| 23:28.35 | justin | Wyzard: based on what you said, you don't understand how it works |
| 23:28.43 | deadcat | DragonD: it works fine. i can mount and ls. |
| 23:29.02 | DragonD | hmmm |
| 23:29.24 | Wyzard | justin: but you never actually see "green-tinted" pixels... you might see a little bit of cyan or yellow, but it's not worth adding "or cyan or yellow" to what was intended to be a short, simple explanation of the concept |
| 23:29.27 | Amarande | do I need anything special to execute .run files? |
| 23:29.32 | ativan | sh |
| 23:29.34 | ativan | :> |
| 23:29.39 | justin | Wyzard: fair enough :-) |
| 23:29.48 | resiak | Amarande: Are you installing Nvidia drivers? |
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| 23:29.53 | Amarande | resiak: ATI |
| 23:29.53 | justin | Amarande: maybe you should google for 'fglrx debian' |
| 23:29.59 | Wyzard | justin: Thanks for the URL though -- that |
| 23:30.01 | resiak | !tell Amarande about ati drivers |
| 23:30.04 | Amarande | Yeah, I just checked that. Ahh, it's in Sid. |
| 23:30.08 | Wyzard | justin: that's good for explaining to others |
| 23:30.09 | deadcat | DragonD: on the windows borwser/folder viewer thing: type \\ip\deadcat and then passwd see if it works |
| 23:30.09 | Seven_Six_Two | justin, i've had the installer work on deb |
| 23:30.33 | justin | Seven_Six_Two: and I'm sure the various debian pacakges work as well |
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| 23:31.16 | SerajewelKS | what would i give to xinit to run gnome? |
| 23:31.22 | Seven_Six_Two | justin, I tried and tried, but only ever got mesa..ymmv, but the proprietary ones worked |
| 23:31.45 | DragonD | deadcat: nope. what is port 445 for? |
| 23:31.59 | Seven_Six_Two | not well, but for hw accel at least, and minimal s-video out support |
| 23:32.14 | SerajewelKS | DragonD: iirc it's an alternate SMB port |
| 23:32.30 | deadcat | DragonD: not sure. but samba might use that too. |
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| 23:32.54 | DragonD | Well window is tring to connect to 139 and 445. and both ports are open on my server. |
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| 23:33.17 | Seven_Six_Two | that was with a radeon 9200. I now have nv6800gtoc, and it works much better |
| 23:33.19 | cire | May "0 order allocation failed" be a result of too less RAM? Or what may be the cause? |
| 23:34.02 | DragonD | yeah something is blocking me.... |
| 23:34.09 | Wyzard | cire: Most likely |
| 23:34.18 | Dwonis | cire: or not enough swap space |
| 23:34.19 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 23:34.30 | Seven_Six_Two | the installer? |
| 23:34.35 | Amarande | Will the version in sid be current enough for an X1600, or will I need 8.21.7? |
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| 23:34.56 | DragonD | brb |
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| 23:35.13 | cire | merde. So neither the actual 31r1 CD1, nor the 20060110 testing works... Any suggestions? |
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| 23:35.29 | sandman | How does Debian manage to have a nigh-fully modular kernel (ATA drivers and such), and have the initrd provide everything to load what's necessary @ boot? |
| 23:35.30 | cire | I need an installer which works with 16 MB RAM |
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| 23:35.46 | deadcat | cire: woody |
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| 23:35.50 | sandman | I mean what is it that Debian does so right that it can do that.. Maybe I'm missing something |
| 23:35.58 | cire | deadcat: Where may I get those? |
| 23:36.12 | cire | I think sarge is actual stable.. isn't it? |
| 23:36.20 | benjamindees | sandman, initial ramdisks are loaded by the bootloader and the bios... |
| 23:36.24 | deadcat | cire: debian.org? i dont know. woody is old stable. |
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| 23:36.51 | SperMite | how do i check to see what audio drivers im using |
| 23:36.55 | benjamindees | sandman, nothing prevents any distro from doing the same |
| 23:37.03 | sandman | benjamindees: Right. But why is it that Gentoo's genkernel, for example, cannot do this? |
| 23:37.05 | Seven_Six_Two | Amarande, have you looked it up in the hcl? |
| 23:37.06 | deadcat | SperMite: lsmod |
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| 23:37.24 | deadcat | thingfish: dial up eh? |
| 23:37.31 | amee2k | is it a problem if two linux installations in a dual boot configuration share the same swap partition? |
| 23:37.43 | deadcat | amee2k: no |
| 23:37.47 | amee2k | good :) |
| 23:37.48 | thingfish | deadcat: yes, unfortunately. |
| 23:37.56 | deadcat | thingfish: neighbors dont have wireless? |
| 23:37.58 | cire | hmm, debian.org doesn't provide woody any more. Does anybody know where I may get them? |
| 23:37.59 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:38.09 | amee2k | deadcat: lol |
| 23:38.12 | thingfish | supposedly we'll have fiber optic by the end of the year. |
| 23:38.18 | deadcat | thingfish: nah. thats how things work (= |
| 23:38.25 | streuner | cire: well, woody is still in the repos |
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| 23:38.31 | deadcat | thingfish: not like they download 24/7 (= |
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| 23:38.38 | thingfish | deadcat: besides, what neighbors? |
| 23:38.46 | deadcat | damn |
| 23:38.51 | sandman | Is there a way to tell what driver X is using, as it's running? (without looking @ XF86Config-4 |
| 23:38.52 | deadcat | open field eh? |
| 23:38.59 | thingfish | darn near. |
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| 23:39.08 | deadcat | sandman: /var/log/ |
| 23:39.13 | cire | streuner: I do not know much about linux internals. What does repos mean, and how may I get the images from there? |
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| 23:39.30 | thingfish | and I don't want to pay $70/mo. for satellite. |
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| 23:39.59 | streuner | cire: you need a woody installer, set your sources.list to woody and get those packages |
| 23:40.17 | streuner | cire: repos=mirrors |
| 23:40.34 | derek_ | are there any command line like music players that have playlists? |
| 23:40.51 | sandman | deadcat: Thanks |
| 23:40.52 | deadcat | derek_: cplay, mp3playlist, and more |
| 23:41.00 | derek_ | thank you |
| 23:41.02 | streuner | cire: its harder to find a woody installer nowadays, try people.debian.org/~blade or/and /msg dpkg di |
| 23:41.10 | deadcat | derek_: they ncurses though |
| 23:41.23 | derek_ | thats cool |
| 23:41.26 | Seven_Six_Two | sandman, glxinfo |
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| 23:42.07 | deadcat | derek_: actually its playmp3list (= thats what i use. but the name is just weird |
| 23:42.40 | derek_ | thanks deadcat,I appreciate it |
| 23:42.48 | streuner | cire: out of curiosity, WHY woody? |
| 23:43.03 | deadcat | streuner: his machine has only 16mb ram |
| 23:43.08 | streuner | oh |
| 23:43.19 | kspath | omg |
| 23:43.31 | kspath | potato |
| 23:43.35 | deadcat | cire: get a new machine (=, its not even fun to run anything on craps that crap |
| 23:43.44 | mrverbose | kspath: potato was for dinosaurs :) |
| 23:43.54 | kspath | I am dino |
| 23:43.57 | bucky | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
| 23:44.20 | tiCo89 | &whois kspath |
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| 23:44.24 | kspath | no one |
| 23:44.27 | tiCo89 | =( |
| 23:44.34 | bucky | get the root.bin and rescue.bin and whatever driver.bins |
| 23:44.45 | bucky | six floppies at the most |
| 23:45.54 | SperMite | when i install games i never get sound .. what audio device should id be using? |
| 23:46.06 | kspath | I think I have an old small woody installer cd |
| 23:46.10 | devicenull | I want to run an automated script with the ftp command, but it doesn't want to let me use a text file <'ed into it to actually login |
| 23:46.16 | devicenull | any suggestions? |
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| 23:46.57 | streuner | kspath: well, i have potato installer :-P, but you would go with an mix out of potato woody then... |
| 23:47.53 | streuner | as deadcat already mentioned 16 MB is a pain, i got one of my servers for 40 bucks 2 years ago (64 MB RAM, 500 MB HD) |
| 23:48.11 | kspath | streuner: I do not have anything let from as long ago as potato. I normally dump anything from 2+ releases ago. |
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| 23:48.21 | deadcat | i wont even want to touch machines under 500mhz. |
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| 23:48.49 | Seven_Six_Two | unless it's a linux toaster... |
| 23:48.56 | deadcat | thats cool (= |
| 23:48.57 | kspath | deadcat: that is a LARGE number of machines but I understand your reasoning. |
| 23:49.31 | deadcat | kspath: ya. even installing debian packages is easy. but i just dont like waiting for the extracting. and setting up on slow machines |
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| 23:50.00 | deadcat | kspath: thats why i will never try or use source based (= |
| 23:50.09 | cire | deadcat: this machine only has to make snapshots via webcam and send them on my server.... Shall I use a centrino for that?? |
| 23:50.20 | cire | (it's a PII-233) |
| 23:50.28 | itom | how firewall do you suggest me? iptables, ipcop o shorewall? |
| 23:50.53 | deadcat | cire: in that case. ya. its ok. but 16MB ram? you cant find more than that? |
| 23:51.05 | streuner | cire: hm, PII should be ok with 64 MB too... |
| 23:51.06 | deadcat | itom: they all use iptables |
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| 23:51.21 | benjamindees | itom, shorewall |
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| 23:51.29 | eleftherios | is localeconf the recommended way to manage locales? |
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| 23:51.38 | cire | deadcat: I'd love to have more ;) |
| 23:51.40 | Evaso2 | is there a phisical surface checker for harddisk in debian? |
| 23:51.44 | kspath | itom: did you mean to say ipcop or smoothwall? shorewall is to used with whatever system. |
| 23:51.46 | streuner | eleftherios: an easy way |
| 23:51.49 | deadcat | cire: damn. you in the bay area? i will give up |
| 23:51.53 | deadcat | ^up^you |
| 23:52.01 | streuner | .de |
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| 23:52.34 | cire | streuner is right ;) |
| 23:52.49 | deadcat | any joggers/runners? explain the stretch part to me: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/5k |
| 23:52.55 | deadcat | cire: too bad (= |
| 23:53.03 | streuner | cire: look at ebay.de - they have all sorts of RAM |
| 23:53.19 | abrotman | deadcat: you know .. stretch .. your muscles |
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| 23:53.27 | deadcat | abrotman: AFTER the 1-2 miles? |
| 23:53.34 | kspath | itom: ipcop and smoothwall are same basic thing while shorewall is a different tool. Did you read about ipcop and smoothwall yet? Did you read about shorewall yet? |
| 23:53.35 | abrotman | deadcat: it's a warm up job |
| 23:53.37 | abrotman | jog |
| 23:53.39 | markybob | deadcat: 2 mile warm up? seriously? 2 miles is a death wish, not a warmup |
| 23:53.43 | cire | I know ;) This laptop worked well, before my disk gave up. Now I just want to make the same installation as it was before. Problem: I deleted my woody-image |
| 23:53.48 | abrotman | markybob: not for everyone |
| 23:53.52 | markybob | abrotman: :) |
| 23:53.53 | cire | I found a new one, hopefully it will work |
| 23:54.14 | grandma | does anyone use sarge/stable for a desktop OS? |
| 23:54.15 | Amarande | hmm, I guess I had better use 8.21.7 |
| 23:54.15 | Profound[w] | For a Dual Opteron system, is i386 the best architecture to use? |
| 23:54.17 | itom | kspath, I would like to know (like a poll) what firewall solution do you use |
| 23:54.18 | deadcat | i just thought that stretch before any run... i am not bitching, but my right knee is hurting |
| 23:54.22 | Amarande | the X1600 is still very new |
| 23:54.23 | streuner | oh, 'Schlepptop' - that makes the thing not easier |
| 23:54.34 | gilles | At the post install of ubuntu, I get the following error message : "ata1: BUG: timeout without command", so I can't install Ubuntu on my "sony vgn-s5m" laptop, I get the same error msg with Debian Testing and Gentoo |
| 23:54.35 | Seven_Six_Two | grandma, i did until just after it went stable |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | deadcat: maybe you sohuldn't be running if you have bad knees |
| 23:54.42 | kspath | itom: hmm this is not #firewall but whatever floats your boat. |
| 23:54.42 | eleftherios | does anyone know if the use of en_GB.UTF-8 as a default locale will cause problems with applications? |
| 23:54.48 | markybob | Profound[w]: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 23:54.57 | Profound[w] | thx markybob |
| 23:55.15 | abrotman | deadcat: be warned .. i'm not a jogger .. but some in here are |
| 23:55.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:55.33 | Amarande | when you have a .diff.gz, .dsc, and .tar.gz file |
| 23:55.38 | deadcat | abrotman: thats for my class. (= |
| 23:55.40 | Amarande | which debian package builder is used? |
| 23:55.47 | Amarande | they look to be something you use to build a debian package |
| 23:55.56 | thingfish | stretching is good before any physical endeavor. |
| 23:56.07 | itom | kspath, thanks again; sorry for this ot msg |
| 23:56.08 | Amarande | but it's been ages since I built packages, and in any case, I've always had a bit of trouble with making .deb packages compared to .rpm ones |
| 23:56.19 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; |
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| 23:56.30 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: then fakeroot debian/rules binary; in the resultant directory. |
| 23:56.41 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've installed the build dependencies, of course.) |
| 23:57.02 | abrotman | deadcat: that's a crappy class .. my gym classes at Uni were horseback riding and backpacking :) |
| 23:57.18 | deadcat | abrotman: really? damn haha ncie.. |
| 23:57.33 | abrotman | thingfish: do you know how many hundreds of people are hurt because they don't stretch before intercourse ... |
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| 23:57.44 | abrotman | deadcat: it was nice .. i had a good time in both of them |
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| 23:57.55 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 23:58.05 | deadcat | abrotman: damn... the only fun class i have is bowling (= |
| 23:58.21 | abrotman | deadcat: is this uni or high school ? |
| 23:58.27 | kspath | abrotman: funny the horses thought that that was their backpacking class. |
| 23:58.30 | deadcat | abrotman: jogging is fun. but just not when injured. |
| 23:58.32 | Dwonis | eleftherios: I've been using LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8 in my environment. It seems to work. |
| 23:58.39 | deadcat | abrotman: jr college |
| 23:58.49 | Laibsch | !ubuntu |
| 23:58.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. Ubuntu doesn't have a strong security team like Debian does - http://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/eterm-exploit.c.html |
| 23:58.58 | abrotman | kspath: they were big horses .. don't let them fool you |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | deadcat: oh .. nothing like ball room dancing ? |
| 23:59.08 | Laibsch | !Based on Debian |
| 23:59.09 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:59.09 | Dwonis | eleftherios: however, you might want to put "XTerm*utf8: 1" in your ~/.Xresources file |
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| 23:59.35 | deadcat | abrotman: they have dancing here. but i dont know about ballroom. |
| 23:59.43 | thingfish | Laibsch: you know you can /msg dpkg so it stays between you two. |
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| 23:59.49 | kspath | Libranet might come off that list eventually/sadly. |
