| 00:00.08 | Laibsch | thingfish: I did not know that. Thank you for the hint. |
| 00:00.14 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 00:00.17 | abrotman | deadcat: you could like .. meet girls :) |
| 00:00.28 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:00.34 | deadcat | abrotman: ya i know. they yoga class here is popular (=.. |
| 00:00.38 | abrotman | pass |
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| 00:00.54 | deadcat | but schedule wasnt right for me. |
| 00:00.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: girls? they exist? |
| 00:01.00 | abrotman | i'd rather learn the foxtrot than yoga |
| 00:01.05 | Amarande | This is odd. This dsc file refers to versions like "xlibs-dev (<< 6.8.0)," |
| 00:01.06 | thingfish | the thought of yoga just makes me hungry for indian food. |
| 00:01.08 | kspath | abrotman: mistake |
| 00:01.08 | Amarande | 6.8.0? |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: there are three |
| 00:01.15 | Amarande | I thought 4.3 was the version for xfree86? |
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| 00:01.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oh, then i don't have very good chances =( |
| 00:01.29 | abrotman | Amarande: are you running sarge? |
| 00:01.32 | Amarande | Yeah. |
| 00:01.33 | Laibsch | thingfish: I am considering moving to ubuntu but I am hesitant. I wanted to know what debian has to say about ubuntu. I guess there is really no rivalry but I was wondering what is my best option. |
| 00:01.34 | kspath | abrotman: learn yoga first and then ball room dancing. |
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| 00:01.43 | abrotman | Amarande: apt-cache policy xlibs |
| 00:01.49 | abrotman | Amarande: what's the URL at the bottom ? |
| 00:01.54 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i think 54% college students are female. |
| 00:02.11 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: i think here it's 60-75% |
| 00:02.22 | deadcat | wow.. |
| 00:02.23 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: meaning you'd think i would know some girls by now |
| 00:02.25 | Amarande | 500 http://lyre.mit.edu stable/main Packages |
| 00:02.31 | kspath | deadcat: 60-65% of those that graduate are female? |
| 00:02.49 | Golfgeo | Hi all, have a problem with my USB device and was wondering the following: Is it posible Is there an option to copy the firmware of a working version to the busted one? If so, how would it be done? |
| 00:02.52 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: but right now debian is more fun |
| 00:02.56 | Seven_Six_Two | Laibsch: I thought it was decent. I have given lots of the cd's away too, but I like debian better |
| 00:02.57 | _john | What everybody's recommendation for a live cd distro? |
| 00:03.00 | abrotman | Golfgeo: #hardware |
| 00:03.06 | abrotman | _john: debian has no livecd |
| 00:03.15 | Golfgeo | abrotman, thanks mate :-) |
| 00:03.15 | thingfish | _john: whichever. |
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| 00:03.24 | SerajewelKS | _john: i use kubuntu.. but that's not really debian |
| 00:03.24 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i am not saying you're right but... (= |
| 00:03.27 | _john | abrotman: yeah i know, so i figured.. what could be second best? :D |
| 00:03.28 | Seven_Six_Two | _john knoppix or suse live dvd? |
| 00:03.50 | _john | Okay, one of my professor wanted to try one out, and i didn't know which to offer. |
| 00:03.54 | _john | professors* |
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| 00:04.03 | BillN1VUX | If you like Debian, Knoppix is very debian and live cd and dvd |
| 00:04.04 | deadcat | _john: ubuntu live. |
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| 00:04.05 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: well see, you boot debian and it works. you don't have to spend money on it, take it out to eat, whatever. debian is like sex that you don't have to earn. |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | knoppix is not debian |
| 00:04.28 | Seven_Six_Two | well, the dvd has more software |
| 00:04.28 | Amarande | I value the woman I love much more than I value this PC. |
| 00:04.33 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:04.36 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: stop dating girls who wants your $$ (= |
| 00:04.38 | BillN1VUX | No, but then, by that definition, there can never be a debian live |
| 00:04.48 | abrotman | sure there can |
| 00:04.52 | libervisco | I'm considering debian testing |
| 00:04.58 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: if i get that far i'd imagine that would be my scenario too. but that's the trick. =) |
| 00:05.01 | Seven_Six_Two | no, but it is still worth mentioning |
| 00:05.04 | Amarande | Anyway, is Debian switching to Xorg at some future point by any chance? |
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| 00:05.12 | abrotman | Amarande: etch/sid have it now |
| 00:05.13 | thingfish | Amarande: of course. |
| 00:05.17 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: debian doesn't even require a whole lot of my time ;) |
| 00:05.17 | Profound[w] | lol SerajewelKS |
| 00:05.17 | deadcat | Amarande: already there. |
| 00:05.18 | Dwonis | Amarande: Yes. I'm already running it |
| 00:05.22 | Amarande | I noticed the .deb's on the most recent ATI OpenGL page I found are for Xorg. |
| 00:05.32 | libervisco | is xorg7 available on debian? |
| 00:05.33 | Amarande | And this build setup looks like it goes with Xorg, unless there's something I'm missing here. |
| 00:05.35 | libervisco | etch |
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| 00:05.37 | threat | what is xorg? |
| 00:05.38 | deadcat | libervisco: no |
| 00:05.45 | eleftherios | what's the situation with openoffice.org on Sarge? |
| 00:05.47 | SerajewelKS | !xorg |
| 00:05.47 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.9. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 00:05.49 | azeem | libervisco: not for now, but soon in experimental |
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| 00:05.59 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: situation? |
| 00:06.22 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: please ask a more specific question. we're not aware of any situation. |
| 00:06.25 | _rene_ | eleftherios: which situation? |
| 00:06.30 | libervisco | k, thanks deadcat and azeem (you too dpkg:) What about Xorg X11R6.8.2? |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | if gravity would quit school and work on X full time .. it would go so much faster :) |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | libervisco: i have it in etch now |
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| 00:06.54 | deadcat | libervisco: its called 6.9 in debian i think. its in unstable for sure. i dont use testing |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | deadcat: 6.9 is in sid |
| 00:07.06 | Laibsch | Seven_Six_Two: What did you like better about Debian? |
| 00:07.07 | libervisco | I see.. |
| 00:07.10 | gilles | At the post install of ubuntu, I get the following error message : "ata1: BUG: timeout without command", so I can't install Ubuntu on my "sony vgn-s5m" laptop, I get the same error msg with Debian Testing and Gentoo |
| 00:07.12 | Dwonis | I assume that Branden isn't doing much with X anymore? |
| 00:07.14 | _rene_ | !ubuntu |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. Ubuntu doesn't have a strong security team like Debian does - http://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/eterm-exploit.c.html |
| 00:07.23 | Amarande | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1697 |
| 00:07.24 | eleftherios | SerajewelKS, I tried to install it but I get a message that it has unmet dependencies. It names openoffice.org-base which won't get installed because of depends on java packages |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | _rene_: i almost did the same thing .. then i read the rest of his comment |
| 00:07.35 | deadcat | Dwonis: nope. he doesnt do shit |
| 00:07.35 | Amarande | That's the build dependencies in the DSC I have. |
| 00:07.40 | SerajewelKS | !tell eleftherios about install java |
| 00:07.43 | threat | ok so xorg is a branch of Xfree86? |
| 00:07.46 | threat | nice |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | threat: no |
| 00:07.49 | _rene_ | abrotman: oh, ok. I just parsed till Ubuntu... |
| 00:07.49 | Amarande | Does that look like something that will build at all under XFree 4.3, or do I need a new dsc? |
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| 00:07.59 | threat | abrotman, a trunk? |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | _rene_: i mean .. he is installing ubuntu .. but he has the same problem every where |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | threat: a good license |
| 00:08.12 | benjamindees | threat, a fork |
| 00:08.13 | eleftherios | SerajewelKS, I do not want to install Java on my machine, is there a workaround?? I had OOo on Etch without Java :-/ |
| 00:08.13 | threat | oh |
| 00:08.18 | _rene_ | eleftherios: yes, you need Java for base |
| 00:08.30 | Amarande | I'm a bit puzzled about how to read the build deps |
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| 00:08.34 | threat | benjamindees, so Xfree86 is still being developed? |
| 00:08.37 | _rene_ | eleftherios: at least for OOos internal db. that's why -base depends on Java |
| 00:08.37 | eleftherios | _rene_, so either Java or no OOo? |
| 00:08.41 | benjamindees | threat, mostly |
| 00:08.43 | Seven_Six_Two | Laibsch, i didn't like sudo, even though I've read it's a good idea... |
| 00:08.46 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: no you didn't. openoffice.org requires it on etch too. |
| 00:08.50 | threat | benjamindees, or is xorg taking over the current development? |
| 00:08.51 | _rene_ | Ugly: unfortunately it doesn't work with sarges gcj/gij |
| 00:08.53 | _rene_ | args |
| 00:08.58 | _rene_ | eleftherios: unfortunately it doesn't work with sarges gcj/gij |
| 00:09.03 | Seven_Six_Two | and I'm not a gnome fan at all |
| 00:09.08 | _rene_ | eleftherios: of course ou can. just don't install -base |
| 00:09.15 | Dwonis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86#History |
| 00:09.19 | eleftherios | _rene_, so SUN got its way and now we have to install their software if we want OOo |
| 00:09.28 | eleftherios | ? |
| 00:09.31 | _rene_ | eleftherios: "openoffice.org" is just a dummy package depending on writer, calc, draw, etc.. |
| 00:09.32 | SerajewelKS | Seven_Six_Two: sudo is stupid for home users, IMO. it's better when you actually need a security policy. |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | _rene_: did you answer me the other day about pyuno requiring X ? |
| 00:09.46 | _rene_ | eleftherios: they always did. thankfully, on sid we can use gij |
| 00:09.49 | Seven_Six_Two | Laibsch: and i like the slightly more conservative release cycles |
| 00:09.55 | libervisco | so to save you all alot of questions, testing is basically all up-to-date almost bleeding edge stuff, but since there's lots of backports you can have anything on it? |
| 00:09.58 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: OOo uses jdbc |
| 00:10.01 | Seven_Six_Two | :-o |
| 00:10.03 | _rene_ | eleftherios: if you don't need -base, just don't install -base and be happy |
| 00:10.05 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: and therefore requires sun's java |
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| 00:10.22 | eleftherios | _rene_, I just need Writer |
| 00:10.22 | _rene_ | SerajewelKS: it's even worse.... |
| 00:10.26 | Laibsch | Seven_Six_Two: OK, I also don't like gnome or KDE for that matter. But I guess you could also get icewm or XFCE |
| 00:10.27 | deadcat | libervisco: testing is like a 2 week old bleeding edge stuff |
| 00:10.28 | _rene_ | eleftherios: then just install writer. |
| 00:10.31 | eleftherios | _rene_, thank you |
| 00:10.35 | SerajewelKS | _rene_: what's worse than what |
| 00:10.44 | Laibsch | Seven_Six_Two: About sudo, I have no personal experience |
| 00:10.51 | _rene_ | SerajewelKS: there's so many pieces in OOo needing some Java... |
| 00:10.55 | eleftherios | SerajewelKS, thank you too |
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| 00:11.01 | SerajewelKS | eleftherios: no problem |
| 00:11.02 | _rene_ | at least it works with ibm and gcj/gij >= 4.0.2... |
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| 00:11.08 | libervisco | deadcat, alright, sounds cool.. I think I'll give it a spin then with minimal base install |
| 00:11.13 | _rene_ | on sid we can use free Java |
| 00:11.17 | _rene_ | but not on sarge... |
| 00:11.27 | SerajewelKS | _rene_: well some things are hard to write portably.. java eases that i would imagine |
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| 00:11.39 | _rene_ | SerajewelKS: ROTFL |
| 00:11.44 | SerajewelKS | _rene_: i'm still waiting to see some office suite that runs on CLR |
| 00:11.48 | abrotman | jjazz: we don't need no steenken Damon :) |
| 00:11.51 | _rene_ | SerajewelKS: that's a joke I haven't heard long ago... |
| 00:12.19 | SerajewelKS | _rene_: *cough* for example, a database connectivity kit |
| 00:12.32 | _rene_ | SerajewelKS: there's odbc.... |
| 00:12.54 | SerajewelKS | _rene_: doesn't odbc require different vendor drivers per platform? |
| 00:12.57 | _rene_ | anyway. have more interesting stuff to do than to discuss suns crappiness... |
| 00:13.09 | abrotman | i guess that was a no |
| 00:13.11 | _rene_ | abrotman: nope, iirc not, but I don't think so |
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| 00:13.34 | _rene_ | abrotman: but it wouldn't surprise me if it did |
| 00:13.48 | _rene_ | abrotman: if it does, you might want to work around it with using xvfb |
| 00:13.49 | abrotman | _rene_: if i get back to it . i'm sure you'll see me more .. but it seems that something wants to actually open a window when i run scripts |
| 00:14.02 | abrotman | _rene_: tried .. with -headless -invisible .. still whines |
| 00:14.05 | Amarande | yay, time to mess with build dependencies |
| 00:14.14 | litage | what's the difference between the password field in a /etc/shadow entry being "*" or "!"? |
| 00:14.16 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | _rene_: like .. xvfb-run ooffice -headless -invisible .. and it still whines about no display |
| 00:14.46 | Amarande | thing is, I don't have an actual source -package- |
| 00:14.51 | Amarande | I have a .dsc, a diff.gz, and a tar.gz |
| 00:15.03 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: apt-get install the packages it's complaining about then |
| 00:15.08 | Wyzard | Amarande: That *is* a source package |
| 00:15.51 | Wyzard | Amarande: though when you "apt-get source <packagename>", it should've automatically unpacked the .tar.gz and applied the patch, so you'd have a subdirectory containing the source tree |
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| 00:16.18 | _rene_ | abrotman: try with -a |
| 00:16.19 | Amarande | In any case, I'm trying to figure out how to get an XFree86 4.3 fglrx driver. |
| 00:16.20 | SerajewelKS | which reminds me, firefox in sid does not build |
| 00:16.23 | Amarande | It looks like the packages are for xorg. |
| 00:16.33 | Amarande | And somehow I DON'T think I can just install the xorg server ... |
| 00:16.47 | Wyzard | Amarande: There's an xorg backport for sarge |
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| 00:17.03 | Amarande | ATI supports XFree86 4.3, so it should be possible |
| 00:17.07 | Amarande | but I'm not entirely sure how |
| 00:17.16 | Amarande | would running the .run work, or is that going to just pollute the whole system |
| 00:17.24 | Wyzard | Amarande: Don't do that |
| 00:17.38 | Teratogen | is debian for alpha a true 64 bit debian? |
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| 00:17.45 | Wyzard | Amarande: It'd be simplest to just install the xorg sarge backport, and use the fglrx-driver from unstable |
| 00:18.00 | Wyzard | Amarande: (or maybe a backport of fglrx-driver too, if one exists) |
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| 00:18.25 | abrotman | _rene_: nope .. doesn't work either .. but i'll stop hassling you tonight .. |
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| 00:19.03 | _rene_ | abrotman: you mean "this morning" ;-) (1:18 am) |
| 00:19.03 | insomnd | is there a gui for making .deb package files from source files? |
| 00:19.12 | Coweater | no |
| 00:19.12 | _rene_ | insomnd: nope. thankfully not. |
| 00:19.14 | Amarande | or would I be better served by scrapping my entire install, formatting, and installing from etch instead |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | _rene_: hey .. i'm not lucky enough to live in europe :) |
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| 00:19.26 | insomnd | _rene_, lol... why thankfully? |
| 00:19.26 | Supaplex | insomnd: xterm :p |
| 00:19.29 | AciD | gn |
| 00:19.37 | Wyzard | Amarande: Have you read anything I've said? |
| 00:19.37 | insomnd | ok |
| 00:19.38 | Amarande | It seems that Debian is not really the distribution for those with new hardware |
| 00:19.45 | Amarande | yeah, I am. |
| 00:19.47 | _rene_ | insomnd: because that would envourage more people to create crappy debs |
| 00:19.48 | azeem | insomnd: the process wouldn't easily translate to a GUI |
| 00:19.49 | insomnd | _rene_, Supaplex : any recommended readings? |
| 00:20.03 | Wyzard | Amarande: Install the xorg backport, and then install fglrx-driver for that |
| 00:20.17 | _rene_ | insomnd: not to mention packaging is different from app to app. |
| 00:20.18 | Wyzard | Amarande: And in this case your issue isn't "new hardware", it's "hardware with non-free drivers" |
| 00:20.31 | Supaplex | insomnd: debian wiki, man pages for apt-get apt-cache aptitude dpkg |
| 00:20.36 | drp | what package would iwconfig be in |
| 00:20.45 | Amarande | By the way, is the DRI project still going, or did they quit after Radeon 9200? |
| 00:20.47 | insomnd | drp, iwtools? |
| 00:20.48 | SerajewelKS | !find /iwconfig |
| 00:20.52 | _rene_ | drp: use your tools luke |
| 00:20.53 | Supaplex | drp: apt-file search iwconfig |
| 00:20.59 | _rene_ | drp: in this case, apt-file |
| 00:21.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/iwconfig' (1): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools. |
| 00:21.15 | SerajewelKS | drp: ^^^ |
| 00:21.35 | Seven_Six_Two | 9200=8500 |
| 00:22.15 | Amarande | Wyzard: Also, if I use backports, will the security.debian.org source be able to update them, or will I have to constantly read bugtraq? |
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| 00:22.56 | Jazbo | Anyone know of a good way to convert mp4(m4a) to mp3? |
| 00:22.59 | Amarande | I think that's what's really starting to get me concerned. |
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| 00:23.11 | Wyzard | Amarande: Most likely, the backport would be updated too... the website that distributes the backport might have info on that |
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| 00:23.18 | Seven_Six_Two | Jazbo: mjpeg tools? |
| 00:23.27 | Amarande | I'm getting an increasingly large number of packages that don't go with the base sarge distribution at all, and I'm starting to wonder if eventually I stand to get owned due to a lack of security updates for something or other. |
| 00:23.55 | comsa | me to |
| 00:23.57 | Amarande | And finally, do I need to remove xfree86 before installing xorg? |
| 00:24.22 | Wyzard | Amarande: That'll happen automatically -- xorg conflicts with xfree86 |
| 00:24.40 | Amarande | Ahh. I always got the impression that conflicting packages resulted in refusal of the newer one to install. |
| 00:24.56 | Amarande | Speaking of which, will it also screw up the deps for X applications under sarge? |
| 00:25.22 | Wyzard | Amarande: Only if the older one can't be removed due to dependencies of other things on it... but xfree86->xorg should be OK because xorg satisfies all the same dependencies that xfree86 does |
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| 00:26.44 | Amarande | I also suppose I need EVERY PACKAGE in the xorg-x11 directory. |
| 00:26.51 | drp | Supaplex: yeah it's not finding anything |
| 00:27.09 | Wyzard | Amarande: Are you downloading .deb files manually or something |
| 00:27.22 | Amarande | wyzard: I was about to, actually. |
| 00:27.32 | Amarande | As I did with the kernel image debs earlier. |
| 00:27.39 | Amarande | Is there a way to make backports.org visible to apt as a source? |
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| 00:27.50 | Amarande | I tried clicking the FAQ link there, which gives a helpful 404 saying it's not finished yet. :) |
| 00:27.58 | obsidian | anybody have a problem with gconf starting with some recent upgrade? |
| 00:28.01 | Wyzard | Amarande: There is, though I don't know exactly what it is (as I run unstable and therefore don't use backports) |
| 00:28.08 | benjamindees | Amarande, http://www.backports.org/instructions.html |
| 00:29.14 | herbi | sort of off topic |
| 00:29.30 | herbi | but does anyone know what it means if it just sits there at "looking up your hostname" when signing onto freenode? |
| 00:30.06 | Wyzard | herbi: That's doing reverse DNS on your IP address, I believe... the DNS server is probably being slow to respond |
| 00:30.11 | comsa | server down |
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| 00:30.45 | benjamindees | mpeg2 multiplexer for Debian? |
| 00:30.46 | comsa | O |
| 00:31.15 | Supaplex | does grub-install /dev/hda take more then 30 seconds to operate? |
| 00:32.02 | Wyzard | Supaplex: Only if grub goes looking for floppy drives as part of its effort to map out what bootable devices you have... for some reason the floppy probe takes a long time |
| 00:32.53 | Wyzard | Supaplex: If you run grub directly you get a warning message about that, but I think the grub-install script suppresses it |
| 00:32.59 | B0ZNACU | hi all, any idea on how to make a route go somewhere similar to Cisco's null0? would it be ok to just "route add -host" through some gateway that i have no route for? |
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| 00:33.19 | Supaplex | B0ZNACU: why not firewall it with iptables? |
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| 00:33.24 | ClayG | what is the name of the package that allow and adds xdmcp(sp?) to the main login screen under sessions? |
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| 00:34.14 | Supaplex | Amarande: use screen. :-D |
| 00:34.22 | B0ZNACU | Supaplex: not that it wouldn't work blocking it using iptables but i'm sure i've seen such a setup about 2 years ago and i don't remember how it was... |
| 00:34.28 | Amarande | btw |
| 00:34.36 | obsidian | ahhh... answered my own question |
| 00:34.55 | Amarande | which package name should I ask for if I want it to install the whole xorg backport thing in one fell swoop? |
| 00:34.55 | obsidian | gnome settings daemon broken with evdev; http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323724 |
| 00:34.55 | Amarande | there's a few zillion packages, and I'm not quite sure which is which. |
| 00:35.09 | Wyzard | B0ZNACU: There's a "dummy" driver which gives you a dummy0 interface that's a bit-bucket |
| 00:35.18 | benjamindees | Amarande, apt-get -t sarge-backports install xserver-xorg |
| 00:35.31 | Wyzard | B0ZNACU: But iptables would be the preferred way to ignore packets destined to a particular address |
| 00:36.00 | Amarande | I'm also supposing once etch becomes stable, I should expect things to break if I try to dist-upgrade to it. |
| 00:36.05 | Wyzard | Supaplex: Cancel it and run it again with "--no-floppy" |
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| 00:36.20 | diana_ | How can I get "iptraf" that I apt-get installed to monitor device "ath0" it monitors "eth0" fine...I see all that data...but I can't get it to monitor the wireless. anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:36.21 | Wyzard | Amarande: Not if the backport package is well-made |
| 00:36.30 | Amarande | Especially since I haven't really installed much of anything besides a kernel and xchat. |
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| 00:36.39 | diana_ | Amarande: use etch that's what I use...it's great..you want my sources.list? |
| 00:36.54 | Amarande | diana: how reliable are the desktop environments under it? |
| 00:36.58 | Amarande | I heard something about bugginess under it. |
| 00:37.10 | B0ZNACU | Wyzard: yeah, i know about dummy, i'm using dummy0 for some virtual server setups that have private ip addresses to which i dnat things. but still, there was something like that. just think of the fact that if you see 100K packets per second i think routing it to null0 would work better than using iptables to do the job. |
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| 00:37.13 | Amarande | I already have an etch boot CD, this early in the install's life cycle it would be easier to just reinstall from scratch. |
| 00:37.44 | Amarande | and xorg is the -default- X under etch, right? it doesn't still default to xfree? |
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| 00:38.27 | Wyzard | Amarande: I believe so |
| 00:38.27 | _rene_ | Amarande: right. xfree is gone. completely |
| 00:38.42 | Amarande | (Though I'm still not quite sure why we switched from xfree to xorg ... if anything, I seem to remember reading that xorg has a 'worse' license from free software standards than xfree ...) |
| 00:39.07 | Wyzard | Amarande: Modern xorg? Or historical xorg? |
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| 00:39.27 | Wyzard | Amarande: XFree86 was originally a fork from X.org, I believe, for license reasons |
| 00:39.39 | Wyzard | Amarande: These days, X.org is a fork of XFree86, for license reasons |
| 00:39.44 | Amarande | Well, back around 1999-2001 or so when I last used Linux, I remember xorg having nasty license stuff. |
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| 00:40.24 | Wyzard | Amarande: Modern xorg is basically a fork of XFree86 from right before it changed its license, plus all the further development that's been done on it since then |
| 00:41.52 | Amarande | Okay, I'll be back in awhile. Time to reinstall megami with etch. |
| 00:42.04 | Amarande | With how new this machine is I'm probably better off that way. |
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| 00:45.07 | k31th | http://www.funroll-loops.org/gentoo.jpg |
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| 00:46.03 | lakcaj | k31th, nice :) |
| 00:46.10 | ft | k31th: the whole site is quite nice :) |
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| 00:46.51 | k31th | site cracks me up |
| 00:46.59 | k31th | the thing is its so true lol |
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| 00:48.57 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 00:48.57 | k31th | almost as good as reading bofh |
| 00:49.08 | k31th | but nothing will ever come close tbh |
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| 00:51.23 | lgd_ | i have a problem with tcpdump |
| 00:51.32 | k31th | lgd_: you do ? |
| 00:51.41 | lgd_ | i don't show content of package but only header |
| 00:52.05 | lgd_ | with tcpdump i can do show a content? |
| 00:52.13 | lgd_ | like ethereal? |
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| 00:53.09 | lgd_ | i use tcpdump -vvv -XX -u |
| 00:53.38 | benjamindees | offtopic: can you still buy Open Cola someplace? |
| 00:53.44 | k31th | lol |
| 00:53.53 | aethera | mmm |
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| 00:54.05 | aethera | is there a xfce4 menu editor for sarge? |
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| 00:54.25 | benjamindees | seriously, I wonder what it tastes like, but I'm not going to spend $100 to find out... |
| 00:54.33 | benjamindees | aethera, try update-menus perhaps? |
| 00:54.47 | aethera | benjamindees: I want to edit the menus |
| 00:55.46 | benjamindees | file:/usr/share/doc/menu/html/index.html |
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| 00:56.52 | Uatec | Hey |
| 00:57.21 | SerajewelKS | is there a command to hide the cursor in X? |
| 00:57.39 | Grackshrike | Does gnome require a special sudo command like KDE's kdesu? |
| 00:58.19 | lakcaj | Grackshrike, there is gksu for gnome, but if you try to do anything from the gnome menus that requires root priviledges, you will be prompted. |
| 00:58.43 | Dwonis | benjamindees: By a train of thought that I'd rather not detail here, your mention of Open Cola reminded me of this: http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html |
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| 01:01.28 | benjamindees | man, transcode is somewhat disappointing |
| 01:01.55 | benjamindees | it's nearly as complicated as just using the encoders manually |
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| 01:03.51 | lakcaj | benjamindees, why not use something like dvdrip, quickrip, etc |
| 01:04.03 | anapivirtua | night all 8) |
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| 01:04.07 | lakcaj | acidrip is another |
| 01:04.41 | benjamindees | because I'm not really ripping |
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| 01:04.58 | benjamindees | I'm transcoding realmedia files to mpeg |
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| 01:06.35 | lakcaj | I see. There is another app called tovid.... might want to look at that. |
| 01:06.41 | SperMite | Shouldnt my kernel sources be in /usr/src? |
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| 01:09.34 | Wyzard | SperMite: Only if you've actually installed the kernel source |
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| 01:10.03 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:10.42 | Wyzard | or in your home directory, and compile packages using fakeroot |
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| 01:12.13 | SperMite | Well all it's showing in /usr/src is kernel-headers and nvidia-headers and modules i dont see my source anywhere |
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| 01:13.17 | Wyzard | Then you don't have it installed |
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| 01:13.20 | Wyzard | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 01:13.44 | Wyzard | But if your goal is to compile the nvidia-kernel module, all you need is the kernel-headers anyway |
| 01:13.47 | Supaplex | you can also roll your own with kernel-package |
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| 01:13.59 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 01:14.12 | jshriver_ | greetings |
| 01:14.41 | jshriver_ | how do you find the set resolution? and how can you set it besides ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 01:14.47 | Wyzard | In fact, if you're using a precompiled kernel, (which you definitely are, if you don't have the kernel source installed) then trying to compile the nvidia module using a freshly-unpacked kernel source tree actually won't work |
| 01:14.48 | Supaplex | Wyzard: from what I can tell, grub-install runs grub multiple times, and uses /tmp for scratch space. some of the temp files have the same md5sum as the stage loaders in /boot/grub/*stage* |
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| 01:14.57 | jshriver_ | thing it keeps going from 640x480 and 800x600 |
| 01:15.02 | Wyzard | You need the kernel-headers which correspond to your running kernel |
| 01:15.11 | SperMite | really i just you add some modules in the kernel so i can get the dumb webcam to work so i can do some time lapse when driving down the road |
| 01:15.28 | jshriver_ | but I know this monitor can go up to at least 1024x768 because when it had Win98 on it that was the setting, and I've added an FX5200 card |
| 01:15.46 | Wyzard | SperMite: For compiling third-party kernel modules for a precompiled kernel, you use kernel-headers |
| 01:15.57 | mfrisch | module-assistant makes it trivial |
| 01:16.05 | Wyzard | SperMite: You'd only use a kernel source tree for third-party modules if you were running a kernel that was custom-compiled from that source tree |
| 01:16.24 | SperMite | Wyzard ahh . . . |
| 01:16.26 | DaveLib | wyzard: hello again. from last night about trying to fix tomboy i found out some more since we last talked |
| 01:16.34 | jshriver_ | SperMite, usually you just use patch -p1 > patchfile on the source tree... make menuconfig and select the new hardware |
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| 01:16.58 | mfrisch | SperMite: use module-assistant |
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| 01:17.34 | Wyzard | jshriver: You mean "< patchfile" |
| 01:17.41 | jshriver_ | oops my bad |
| 01:17.50 | Wyzard | jshriver: but we're talking about out-of-tree modules here, not a kernel patch |
| 01:17.55 | jshriver_ | btw anyone know how to use scp ? the man page is rather cryptic |
| 01:18.08 | Wyzard | jshriver: scp localfile remotehost:remotepath |
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| 01:18.35 | mfrisch | jshriver scp file host:/home/ |
| 01:18.39 | jshriver_ | oh... hrm check the readme.. usually as long as you have /usr/src/linux point to the kernel tree for the headers... you can compile w/o patching.. had to do that for a Voodoo 3 3500 TV capt/vid card last year |
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| 01:18.58 | Wyzard | DaveLib: IMO, it'd be simplest to just look for a backport of Mono so you don't have to use a chroot at all |
| 01:19.11 | Supaplex | jshriver_: I use to own one of those. very frustrating piece of hardware. |
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| 01:20.03 | SperMite | http://www.linux-sxs.org/hardware/pwc.html this is the guide thats telling me what to do with the kernel and how to get my webcam working, |
| 01:20.17 | DaveLib | wyzard: if i put in a new mono does that endanger the base sarge ie conflicts with library versions etc between the original mono and the new version? |
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| 01:20.31 | Wyzard | DaveLib: Not if it's a properly-made backport meant for sarge |
| 01:20.35 | jshriver_ | Supaplex, agree, I spent the better part of 2 weeks at home trying to figure it out.. once it was finally running via mplayer/xawtv.. i could only get 320x240 and the quality absolutely sucked... ended up buying a hauppauge card for $45 and took me 3min to set it up |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | !depends libmono0 sid |
| 01:20.41 | DaveLib | ppl told me to be careful about ..... ahh ok |
| 01:20.44 | dpkg | libmono0: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 01:21.09 | jshriver_ | but the drivers where extreme alpha, so what should I've expected *shrug* |
| 01:21.23 | SperMite | im still not understanding what i actually need to do? mfrisch you said use module-assistant? is that something in the kernel or a package i can get apt-get |
| 01:21.25 | tnks | I just swapped my E-mail addresses because spam harvestors got to me. |
| 01:21.49 | tnks | I just realized that the Debian Bug Tracking archives totally make E-mail addresses public on the web. |
| 01:21.55 | Supaplex | jshriver_: sounds about what like I did. I pawned it off on a windoze user. :) |
| 01:22.04 | jshriver_ | lol |
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| 01:22.28 | mfrisch | SperMite: well I used it to make an updated module deb when installing nvidia, but everyone says your compiling something in tree' |
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| 01:22.50 | tnks | In fact, I did a Google on the spammed address, and Debian was the only links that came up. |
| 01:22.55 | tnks | That's kind of troublesome. |
| 01:22.57 | Wyzard | That module is available as a Debian package called "pwc-source" in testing, though not in sarge... if you can find a backport of it (or just install it from testing -- it doesn't depend on anything that isn't already in sarge) you can use module-assistant to automatically build it for your kernel |
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| 01:23.09 | abrotman | tnks: you're whining to the wrong people |
| 01:23.38 | tnks | abrotman: just wondering if it was a known problem, or what people did to work around it. |
| 01:23.41 | Wyzard | tnks: I use a Sneakemail (http://www.sneakemail.com/) alias when posting to the Debian mailing lists or BTS |
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| 01:23.42 | Supaplex | tnks: known issue |
| 01:23.42 | SperMite | Wyzard well im using etch anyways |
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| 01:23.58 | tnks | Wyzard: cool. I'll check it out. |
| 01:24.02 | NLoRD | does anyone know how much size of an ext3 partition is used for the journal? |
| 01:24.04 | deadcat | check this: http://gblrk.dvc.edu/~fa05a18/3ddesktop.nosound.lavc.avi |
| 01:24.07 | Wyzard | SperMite: Then run module-assistant and choose the PWC driver from the list of things it can install |
| 01:24.13 | cire | Anybody experiences with using compact-flash crads instead of a harddrive? |
| 01:24.15 | captbob | I recently reinstalled debian from the newest cds, using the latest kernel and everything, but it now complains that "/dev/hdc12" is not a valid root partition (I use bootx to load debian), saying nothing is there. I can boot from that partition using an old kernel, but then the modules dont match the kernel version. Is there some new sort of format for the root device argument? I found some information on new naming conventions in 2.6, but couldn |
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| 01:24.23 | SperMite | Wyzard ok |
| 01:24.27 | Supaplex | NLoRD: it varies depending on the size of the partition |
| 01:24.38 | abrotman | captbob: sata ? |
| 01:24.41 | deadcat | SperMite: pwc from the website might be newer driver. |
| 01:24.56 | Supaplex | cire: it's what my firewall runs on, using debian |
| 01:25.01 | captbob | abrotman: normal old on board ata |
| 01:25.02 | NLoRD | Sunblade, can you tell me a percentage? 5% or more? |
| 01:25.11 | DaveLib | i just found some hits googling : mono sarge backport |
| 01:25.16 | Wyzard | cire: I suggested earlier, you might want to take a look at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ as it's designed more specifically to the sort of thing you're trying to do |
| 01:25.19 | Supaplex | NLoRD: I don't recall |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | captbob: well .. i don't know what bootx is .. i use grub |
| 01:25.52 | eleftherios | I have used alsaconf on my laptop (nx8220), it detects an intel8x0 (ICH6) card and configures it. I then check all mixer levels and they are fine. Yet, I get no sound. Any pointers please? |
| 01:25.55 | cire | Supaplex: I inserted it, installed debian, rebooted, and got "LI". I think this has sth to do with the MBR. So, what am I doing wrong? |
| 01:26.02 | captbob | abrotman it's a powerpc thing. In any case, shouldnt the root= be the same across platforms? |
| 01:26.07 | Wyzard | cire: DSL probably has a lot of users installing on CF cards (considering that they mention that in the features list on the front page of the website) so you'll probably find more help with it there |
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| 01:26.28 | Supaplex | cire: check the debian wiki for lilo issues. it's been ages since I touched lilo |
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| 01:26.32 | abrotman | captbob: you'd think so .. this is a regular mac ? |
| 01:26.50 | Supaplex | and come to think of it, grub is still taking ages to install each stage loader grr |
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| 01:27.06 | captbob | abrotman: old, but regular |
| 01:27.18 | Supaplex | abrotman: I could go for a bigmac and fries |
| 01:27.25 | captbob | abrotman: been running debian on it for at least 5 years now |
| 01:27.25 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 01:27.34 | cire | Supaplex: I have to use lilo, because woody CD1 (only 16 MB RAM) uses this |
| 01:27.38 | benjamindees | cire, you need a /boot partition |
| 01:27.39 | Wyzard | Supaplex: Rather than using grub-install, you can do it "manually" and get more feedback: run grub, and type "root (hd0,0)" and "setup (hd0)" |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | captbob: you might want to ask #debianppc .. i can't honestly say if there would be an issue with bootx |
| 01:27.49 | benjamindees | cire, or you need to use grub |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | Supaplex: so get off your fat ass and go to McD's |
| 01:28.23 | eleftherios | does anyone recall the name of that utility that lets you choose between OSS and alsaconf? It is called linux-sound-base or something... |
| 01:28.36 | cire | benjamindees: May I use Woody CD1 to install it, afterwards replace lilo by grub?? |
| 01:29.04 | pipeline | cire: You would have to install woody, then upgrade to sarge. You can't use the woody installer. |
| 01:29.09 | cire | benjamindees: What does "/boot partition" mean? |
| 01:29.12 | benjamindees | cire, yes, if you can find a way to install grub |
| 01:29.27 | cire | I HAVE TO use woody installer |
| 01:29.46 | pipeline | cire: I just told you: you have to install woody and upgrade. You can't use the woody installer to install sarge. |
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| 01:30.33 | cire | I know. Okay, in this case I'll: install debian with woody CD1. change my sources to sarge and upgrade. And then? |
| 01:30.36 | Supaplex | cire: if you have a usb cf card adapter, you can install it from another debian system I think... (foggy on this one..) |
| 01:30.50 | benjamindees | !LI |
| 01:30.50 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:30.59 | cire | it's non USB, it's a IDE2CF |
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| 01:31.42 | SerajewelKS | how would i keep my monitors from powering off if i'm running icewm? is there some command-line utility to set monitor power saving settings? |
| 01:31.43 | jshriver_ | any tips on getting sound working under linux lol /dev/mixer doesnt open |
| 01:31.44 | benjamindees | cire, when you install, create a separate partition for /boot within the first 1024 cylinders |
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| 01:32.33 | DeadlyNinja | how might i find out what is causing hard disk io |
| 01:32.34 | pawdro | how can i upgrade nvidia drivers in the easy way, firstly installed using debian way |
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| 01:32.46 | cire | benjamindees: I'll try, but how do I tell my installer to use those 1024 cylinders? |
| 01:32.55 | cire | (...for /boot) |
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| 01:33.27 | abrotman | DeadlyNinja: fuser/lsof |
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| 01:33.32 | Wyzard | pawdro: An ordinary apt upgrade will install the latest available versions of the packages |
| 01:33.43 | Supaplex | yay grub works! |
| 01:33.52 | benjamindees | cire, during partitioning, create a small (100 mb) separate partition |
| 01:34.02 | jshriver_ | I ran lspci.. and see I have a SIS Sound controller... it's listed in 2.4 kernel, but can't find it in 2.6.15.1 |
| 01:34.22 | cire | benjamindee: I did that now. Type? Linux? |
| 01:34.40 | chealer | pawdro: NVIDIA's proprietary graphics drivers? did you check the guide? |
| 01:34.42 | Wyzard | benjamindees: 100MB is overkill for /boot |
| 01:34.48 | megatronx | anyone know how to replace metacity with windowmaker? i've been searching around and found nothing... |
| 01:34.48 | cire | (small? 100 MB is 10% of my card ;) |
| 01:34.50 | DeadlyNinja | abrotman, do you know if there is a way to monitor for file writes? |
| 01:35.04 | Wyzard | benjamindees: I use 50MB, and that's just to have breathing room if I want to install two or three kernels at the same time |
| 01:35.06 | Supaplex | cire: try 8mb |
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| 01:35.49 | pawdro | Wyzard: chealer: ive got 7174 now due to earlier tnt2 card, i changed for geforce2 and the newer driver support my card, but nothing upgraded |
| 01:35.54 | Amarande | okay, xorg is giving me grief. |
| 01:35.55 | cire | I checked my laptop's /boot, and it has 6 MB and is using 6 Kernels |
| 01:35.59 | benjamindees | cire, my /boot currently occupies 20 megs, on Sarge |
| 01:36.01 | pawdro | chealer: chealer: ive got 7174 now due to earlier tnt2 card, i changed for geforce2 and the newer driver support my card, but nothing upgraded |
| 01:36.12 | cire | sorry, 3 |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | DeadlyNinja: ls ? |
| 01:36.19 | Amarande | it says (EE) No devices detected, then fatals with "No screens found." |
| 01:36.20 | cire | forgot those "rescue" entries |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | !info fam sarge |
| 01:36.25 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 01:36.26 | aethera | hmmm my mplayer does not have sound |
| 01:36.27 | Amarande | do I have to do something special with xorg to get it to work? |
| 01:36.31 | aethera | it starts on mute |
| 01:36.31 | chealer | pawdro: it's normal, you the upgrade doesn't happen automatically |
| 01:36.34 | cire | I'll try 10 MB |
| 01:36.37 | aethera | and then I take the volume up |
| 01:36.44 | aethera | then it still does not work |
| 01:37.10 | cire | ----- not reading, installing |
| 01:37.11 | pawdro | chealer: so can i upgrade it anyway ? maybe using debian way? |
| 01:37.12 | Amarande | am I going to need to set up that proprietary driver for X to work at all now? |
| 01:37.14 | Wyzard | pawdro: The nVidia driver in sarge will support a geforce2 |
| 01:37.25 | DeadlyNinja | im trying to find out what is causing my hard drive to get get writes every 3 seconds |
| 01:37.27 | Amarande | and what was the URL for it? I'm currently stuck with ircii and lynx, unfortunately. |
| 01:37.37 | chealer | pawdro: you should. which release do you use? |
| 01:37.38 | Amarande | and I can't remember what to msg dpkg with |
| 01:37.41 | Wyzard | pawdro: Newer versions are available in testing and unstable, but you don't actually need to upgrade |
| 01:37.47 | DaveLib | megatronix: i managed to replace metacity by fvwm in my gnome so maybe my experiences might help you |
| 01:37.50 | aethera | Amarande: wahts the issue man? |
| 01:37.55 | jshriver_ | is the SiS multimedia controller the same as SiS AC97 in the kernel source? |
| 01:37.56 | pawdro | Wyzard Ive got etch |
| 01:37.57 | chealer | pawdro: s/you should/you should be able to |
| 01:38.00 | Amarande | aethera: switched to etch |
| 01:38.02 | pawdro | sorry dont mentioned |
| 01:38.02 | Amarande | xorg won't start |
| 01:38.04 | cire | errr.... WHich partition shall have the "bootable" flag? |
| 01:38.16 | Wyzard | cire: none, though it actually doesn't matter |
| 01:38.23 | Wyzard | cire: LILO/GRUB don't care about that |
| 01:38.24 | megatronx | DaveLib: how? |
| 01:38.27 | DaveLib | megatronix: i searched on the web about replacing the default winbdow managers in gnome and kde |
| 01:38.30 | Amarande | xfree86 at least ran on the Radeon X1600, but xorg says (EE) No devices detected. and then fatals saying it can't get a screen |
| 01:38.31 | jshriver_ | and does ALSA have a mixer? |
| 01:38.35 | cire | ohhh, this is new for me. Good to know... |
| 01:38.37 | chealer | Amarande: which proprietary driver? |
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| 01:38.52 | pawdro | chealer: so what/how can i do this? |
| 01:39.01 | Amarande | chealer: do I have to install that ATI GL driver package? |
| 01:39.02 | DaveLib | they said you must change an environment variasble set it to the desired window manager |
| 01:39.13 | Wyzard | pawdro: 7174 is the current version of the nVidia driver in etch |
| 01:39.16 | Amarande | why is it not at least detecting basic vesa? |
| 01:39.16 | chealer | pawdro: which release do you use and did you read the guide? |
| 01:39.19 | DaveLib | ie put that in your shell startup file |
| 01:39.19 | Amarande | or is that not a feature of xorg |
| 01:39.27 | lunaphyte | what's that command to configure which runlevels a service starts and stops in? |
| 01:39.27 | pawdro | Wyzard: ok then |
| 01:39.31 | Wyzard | pawdro: What's the problem you're trying to fix? |
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| 01:39.32 | aethera | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 01:39.32 | aethera | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
| 01:39.34 | Amarande | does xorg have no generic driver? |
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| 01:39.38 | megatronx | DaveLib: .bahsrc? |
| 01:39.41 | DaveLib | kde and gnome each use a diff variable |
| 01:39.43 | Wyzard | pawdro: Your card is already supported |
| 01:39.46 | Fujoor | can anyone recommend a good and easily configured console ftp server? |
| 01:39.51 | deadcat | Amarande: no |
| 01:40.03 | pawdro | Wyzard: trying to upgrade to the latest supported for my card |
| 01:40.08 | chealer | Amarande: unlikely. at least one other driver should support your card |
| 01:40.09 | deadcat | Fujoor: wu-ftpd is simple. but there are some more secure ones (= |
| 01:40.10 | Wyzard | pawdro: (Actually, the newer versions past a certain point *don't* support the geforce2 anymore) |
| 01:40.10 | DaveLib | yes megatronix: i think it could be .bashrc if that is your setup |
| 01:40.14 | megatronx | DaveLib: i'm using gnome |
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| 01:40.26 | pawdro | Wyzard: ok i got it |
| 01:40.27 | DaveLib | megatronix: but let me tell you more |
| 01:40.27 | Fujoor | deadcat: name some names and ill look into them |
| 01:40.28 | benjamindees | Fujoor, proftpd |
| 01:40.30 | aethera | brb |
| 01:40.32 | megatronx | DaveLib: k |
| 01:40.32 | pawdro | thanks for helping |
| 01:40.35 | aethera | going to run asla conf |
| 01:40.37 | aethera | without X |
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| 01:40.44 | chealer | Fujoor: what do you mean by console server? |
| 01:40.47 | deadcat | Fujoor: vsftpd, proftpd these 2 are the best i think. |
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| 01:41.06 | DaveLib | megatronix: i tried what they said in kde and it worked for me i got fvwm workinig in kde ie change the variable |
| 01:41.09 | Wyzard | pawdro: Well, you don't want the version from unstable, because that's dropped support for older cards... you could try installing the nvidia "legacy" driver from unstable if you really want to, but it's probably not worth the trouble |
| 01:41.12 | Fujoor | deadcat: thanks deadcat |
| 01:41.13 | Supaplex | chealer: we'd laugh if he wanted a gui one. right? |
| 01:41.19 | Amarande | deadcat: how do I get X to start, then? |
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| 01:41.27 | deadcat | Amarande: startx |
| 01:41.45 | Fujoor | deadcat: i am putting up a debian server at home and want a ftp client that i can log into and upload stuff |
| 01:41.48 | chealer | Supaplex: I guess |
| 01:41.50 | Amarande | (EE) No devices detected, then fatals with "No screens found" |
| 01:41.54 | DaveLib | megatronix: but i did the same thing later for gnome and it didnt work for me ie i changed the variable for gnome but i still got metacity |
| 01:41.56 | Fujoor | deadcat: do i have to configure a lot of text files? |
| 01:41.57 | Amarande | does xorg actually have less device support than xfree? |
| 01:42.08 | gravity | No |
| 01:42.12 | Wyzard | pawdro: I doubt any of the changes in the newer versions would make any difference on a geforce2... they're all optimizations for the new stuff, like the 6800 and the 7000-series |
| 01:42.13 | Amarande | or am I missing a package? |
| 01:42.15 | DaveLib | megatronix; then i finally figured out the problem |
| 01:42.16 | deadcat | Fujoor: just get vsftpd or proftpd |
| 01:42.22 | Amarande | I did the desktop task install |
| 01:42.28 | Fujoor | deadcat: ok cheers |
| 01:42.35 | DeadlyNinja | when my computer is 100% idle i still get long file writes to my hard drive, how might i find out which program is causing those long file writes |
| 01:42.43 | pawdro | Wyzard: ok |
| 01:42.49 | cire | okay, I partitioned my disk as following: hda1: 10 MB, type linux, hda2: 900 MB, type linux, hda3: 90 MB, type swap. Is this correct? |
| 01:42.50 | deadcat | Fujoor: i think you only have to edit 1 file. but can be confusing. i dont use ftp to transfer file. scp is much easier. just ssh (= |
| 01:43.11 | Amarande | which additional package do I need to install to get xorg to stop fataling? |
| 01:43.12 | Fujoor | how can i ssh a file from one computer to another? didnt even know that was possible |
| 01:43.12 | benjamindees | DeadlyNinja, with top perhaps |
| 01:43.13 | DaveLib | megatronix: my gnome session manager was remembering metacity from mhy previous gnome session and i think calling it in over fvwm even tho my gnome setup had said to use fvwm |
| 01:43.24 | Wyzard | Fujoor: scp |
| 01:43.37 | Fujoor | wyzard: scp? i have to look into that |
| 01:43.40 | deadcat | Fujoor: or use sftp, just like ftp |
| 01:43.46 | megatronx | DaveLib: so once the variable is changed it must be saved? |
| 01:43.49 | deadcat | Fujoor: and windows has winscp |
| 01:43.50 | Amarande | unfortunately, my abilities to search for things are limited right now |
| 01:43.51 | Fujoor | deadcat: sftp for secure ftp? |
| 01:43.54 | Amarande | since I have no graphical web browsers |
| 01:43.56 | DaveLib | megatroix: so what worked for me was i found out in my gnome session ... |
| 01:43.57 | deadcat | Fujoor: si |
| 01:44.01 | pawdro | another question: during erasing disc cdrecord blank=all i get error: cannot blank disc, aborting |
| 01:44.02 | Red_Cloud | Whenever a person changes distributions, does the install destroy all of the information on a person's OS? |
| 01:44.08 | deadcat | Amarande: links |
| 01:44.15 | Amarande | yeah, I have lynx |
| 01:44.17 | Amarande | anyway |
| 01:44.19 | pawdro | but i cant record anything either |
| 01:44.19 | Fujoor | deadcat: does the programs you mentioned support sftp? |
| 01:44.19 | Wyzard | Fujoor: Pretty much... it's not actually FTP, but you use it in a similar way ("get" and "put" commands, etc.) |
| 01:44.21 | deadcat | Red_Cloud: if you tell it to |
| 01:44.22 | Amarande | is this something I can fix by installing another package |
| 01:44.25 | deadcat | Fujoor: yes |
| 01:44.26 | Amarande | or is it more like, 'go back to sarge' |
| 01:44.33 | DaveLib | megatronix: no it is something else when you put the variable in your .bashrc or whatever it is set ok |
| 01:44.35 | Amarande | and 'settle for no GL support' |
| 01:44.37 | chealer | Red_Cloud: it depends on how the change is done. |
| 01:44.38 | Fujoor | deadcat: so i can bascily sftp them trough putty? |
| 01:44.49 | deadcat | Fujoor: but if its huge ass file. it will take a while because it does encrypt the data |
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| 01:45.00 | DeadlyNinja | benjamindees, top doesnt indicate anything obvious |
| 01:45.05 | Supaplex | Red_Cloud: generally yes. you'll want backups, or carefully isolated /home on its own drive/partition. |
| 01:45.06 | gravity | Amarande: Could you explain your problem to me quickly? |
| 01:45.07 | deadcat | Fujoor: no. putty is for commands. winscp is for tranfering files. |
| 01:45.12 | DaveLib | megatronix: when it wasnt working for me i could echo the variable value and see it was set to fvwm like it was supposed to be |
| 01:45.23 | Amarande | gravity: as I said, xorg complains with an (EE) that it didn't detect any devices, and then fatals out because it can't get a screen. |
| 01:45.24 | benjamindees | !tell Amarande about drxx |
| 01:45.28 | Fujoor | deadcat: but it doesnt need to be that secure, i just want to use the server with screen and rtorrent to download torrents, and when the files are done i want to ftp them over |
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| 01:45.38 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, im using proftpd and i can connect to my server via ip: ftp://192.168.1.10 but not by hostname ie: ftp://code0.org/ any ideas? it just hangs |
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| 01:45.47 | Wyzard | Amarande: Using the vesa driver? |
| 01:45.49 | DaveLib | megatronix: the documentation said that having the variable set like that should have put me into fvwm like i wanted |
| 01:45.50 | benjamindees | Amarande, try the vesa driver for now |
| 01:45.54 | aethera | hmm |
| 01:45.54 | Amarande | wyzard: I'm not sure WHAT driver it's using |
| 01:45.59 | Amarande | it didn't even ask me to select one |
| 01:46.02 | Amarande | unlike xfree |
| 01:46.04 | aethera | whats the best application for tv cards? |
| 01:46.05 | Wyzard | Amarande: drxx and choose the vesa driver |
| 01:46.10 | jshriver_ | does Debian have a hardware/driver probe like knoppix? |
| 01:46.13 | DaveLib | megatronix: but it didnt actually work for me against the documentation |
| 01:46.13 | deadcat | Fujoor: then config ftp server or a simple webserver. and you can just wget it from the other machine. |
| 01:46.15 | cire | Is there a short answer why I should create a boot-partition on a cf-card but not on a standard IDE drive, which should be emulated.... |
| 01:46.20 | Wyzard | Amarande: Then install fglrx-driver if you want |
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| 01:46.25 | gravity | Amarande: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log up in a paster for me to look at? |
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| 01:46.36 | Fujoor | deadcat: ah true, well thanks for your help, ill have to check them all out and test which one i like most |
| 01:46.37 | DaveLib | megatronix: i was still going to metacity even with the variable reset |
| 01:46.40 | aethera | Amarande: I used the driver from ati |
| 01:46.45 | aethera | and it works great |
| 01:46.53 | SperMite | Wyzard i did what you said, and i got this error : Package pwc-source was not built successfully, see |
| 01:46.53 | SperMite | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.56 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: you don't have code0.org mapped to the ip |
| 01:47.07 | gravity | Amarande: With the log I may be able to help, but without it I'm not much use |
| 01:47.07 | jshriver_ | cire: not sure why you should use a cf at all unless you're working with a headless cluster node, or an embedded device |
| 01:47.08 | deadcat | Fujoor: i usually do it the small webserver way. login to remote machine via ssh, screen, wget, done |
| 01:47.10 | DaveLib | megatronix: i think what happenend is gnome star5ted up read the variable and called fvwm like it was supposed to |
| 01:47.28 | deadcat | SperMite: you have linux-headers-`uname -r` ? |
| 01:47.29 | NitinShantharam | Gnea: no thats fine - im sure it is i think its somehting with access rights |
| 01:47.40 | Fujoor | deadcat: that simple? i have never used a webserver |
| 01:47.48 | DaveLib | megatronix: then gnome calls the session manager gnome session manager to rerrun all the progs from the last session |
| 01:47.49 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: if you're sure then why did you ask? |
| 01:47.58 | SperMite | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:47.58 | SperMite | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.02 | NitinShantharam | Gnea: beause it still doesnt work? wth |
| 01:48.03 | cire | jshriver: Because it is in a laptop which controls a webcam. This why, it's running day and NIGHT, ans those harddrives are too loud. |
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| 01:48.13 | DaveLib | megatronix: and 1 ptrogram it remembered from the prev session was metacity |
| 01:48.21 | deadcat | Fujoor: lighttpd is very light and secure... if you want smaller. there are few. but i have lighttpd on my laptop. |
| 01:48.29 | DaveLib | megatronix: so metacity styarts and kills fvwm |
| 01:48.40 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: is the ftp server on the same machine as your browser or on a system on your lan? |
| 01:48.48 | cire | btw: what's a headless cluster node? |
| 01:48.52 | Wyzard | SperMite: Did you see any error messages while it was trying to compile? |
| 01:48.55 | deadcat | Fujoor: ah. thttpd is the small one. |
| 01:49.06 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:49.06 | DaveLib | megatronix: so what worked for me is in a shell as a regular user in gnome with metacity running |
| 01:49.08 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, the ftpserver is on my lan, and its connected to the outside world (http:/) works fine inside and out |
| 01:49.13 | Amarande | if you have a 2-button mouse with wheel |
| 01:49.16 | Fujoor | deadcat: and thats a small webserver? |
| 01:49.23 | benjamindees | cire, did you really use the woody installer to install to a CF card? |
| 01:49.24 | Amarande | does X treat clicking the wheel as button 3 or should I emulate 3 buttons? |
| 01:49.26 | DaveLib | megatronix: i typed fvwm --replace |
| 01:49.26 | deadcat | very small. smaller than lighttpd |
| 01:49.27 | SperMite | Wyzard nope |
| 01:49.34 | pawdro | i cant erase cdrw: http://pastebin.com/529776 |
| 01:49.42 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, you can try it if you want to.. ftp://code0.org/ should should an annoymous welcome message but ti doesnt |
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| 01:49.48 | deadcat | SperMite: i use the driver from the website... but you really need to install the header files if you havent |
| 01:49.50 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: are all systems on the lan have the ip set right in each of their /etc/hosts files? |
| 01:49.54 | cire | benjamindees: yes. Is there sth wrong with it? I read sth about too many accesses, extending the max |
| 01:49.55 | DaveLib | megatronix: this is trying to switch window managers on the fly in the midddle of the session |
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| 01:50.06 | Red_Cloud | deadcat chealer Supaplex then changing distros is not something to be done without thought. Guess I must be content for now and wait for another day. |
| 01:50.11 | DaveLib | megatronix: kill metacity and start fvwm |
| 01:50.15 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, yes |
| 01:50.21 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: code0.org A 64.81.34.210 |
| 01:50.22 | Amarande | basically, is clicking down on the mouse wheel (not scrolling it) treated as the middle button? |
| 01:50.25 | deadcat | Red_Cloud: just keep /home in diff partition |
| 01:50.35 | DaveLib | megatronix; it asked me some question about chaning config files but i said no |
| 01:50.47 | SperMite | deadcat i have the headers, kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 01:50.51 | megatronx | DaveLib: how did you kill metacity? by typing fvwm --replace? |
| 01:50.51 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: so you're trying to connect to an internet ip from within a lan that's nat'd? |
| 01:51.01 | benjamindees | cire, so it's attached to an ide controller? |
| 01:51.04 | DaveLib | megatronix: so i now had fvwm running in my current gnome session |
| 01:51.06 | jshriver_ | hrm, need help setting up a sound card... I selected SiS integrade AC97, and it seems the modules is loaded.. but I get /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp errors when I try to play anything |
| 01:51.10 | NitinShantharam | sure.. |
| 01:51.14 | cire | benjamindees: yes |
| 01:51.23 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: just run m-a and go into the interactive mode, prepare, then download. then build |
| 01:51.23 | Gnea | no wonder it's not working: you can't do that. |
| 01:51.26 | DaveLib | megatronix: i think that was it but i am going from memory |
| 01:51.29 | chealer | Red_Cloud: well, installing an OS and partitionning is not something to be done without thought. but that's unlikely to change soon |
| 01:51.35 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, wait what.. maybe i didnt understand you |
| 01:51.39 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: there are at least a couple of solutions... |
| 01:51.46 | pawdro | can anyone know how to fix it? |
| 01:51.47 | pawdro | http://pastebin.com/529776 |
| 01:51.51 | DaveLib | megatronix: maybe to be safe before you try it google "fvwm --replace" |
| 01:51.54 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, ftp://64.81.34.210/ doesnt wrok etiher, so there might be something wrong with the way the domain is set up |
| 01:52.02 | benjamindees | cire, okay shouldn't be a problem, but it is, so you have lots of options, start trying them... |
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| 01:52.14 | DaveLib | megatronix: if that was it google will prob confirm that |
| 01:52.14 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: ok, code0.org is set to your internet IP, but you've also got it set to your lan ip? |
| 01:52.24 | NitinShantharam | gyes |
| 01:52.26 | NitinShantharam | yes |
| 01:52.27 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: or are they 2 separate IP mappins? |
| 01:52.32 | DaveLib | megatronix: but i am not done yet there is one more step |
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| 01:52.37 | grew | can you tell lilo to boot off of a cdrom? |
| 01:52.38 | NitinShantharam | no. its one |
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| 01:53.02 | Gnea | yeah, it just won't work like that - you need to make 2 seperate mappings - such as code0.org and ftp-lan.code0.org |
| 01:53.02 | benjamindees | grew, no |
| 01:53.04 | Amarande | okay, it works with vesa |
| 01:53.09 | Amarande | for some reason it doesn't like ati, weird |
| 01:53.09 | DaveLib | megatronix: next you must shut down gnome ie logout from the current session |
| 01:53.12 | grew | benjamindees: fuck why not |
| 01:53.12 | Amarande | next |
| 01:53.20 | Gnea | obviously, ftp-lan would be the 192.168... |
| 01:53.21 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, i sent you a private message |
| 01:53.24 | jshriver_ | grew: hrm not sure... think once it's already probing the HD it's to late to boot el torito.. but it might be possible if it has a ATAPI CD driver built-in.. |
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| 01:53.27 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: no you didn't. |
| 01:53.28 | Red_Cloud | deadcat chealer thanks for your advice. i believe that I will forget it. I was hoping that changing distros was more like an update rather than a total new install |
| 01:53.30 | cire | benjamindees: just thought: put it in, install debian, have fun. Don't know why there's a differnce between a harddisk at ide1 and a CF-card with adaptor at IDE1... |
| 01:53.32 | Amarande | how do I make GDM start "properly" without restarting the computer? |
| 01:53.49 | cire | (ide0?) |
| 01:53.50 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:53.50 | markybob | Amarande: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:53.50 | DaveLib | megatronix: but when you exit the current session, you must click the option to remember the current session |
| 01:53.51 | benjamindees | grew, because lilo sucks; try something like sbm |
| 01:53.59 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: you need to register with services in order to pm on this network |
| 01:54.12 | DaveLib | megatronix: so now your session managaer remembers you are runing fvwm |
| 01:54.46 | DaveLib | megatronix: and the next time you enter gnome the session manager brings back fvwm |
| 01:54.52 | chealer | Red_Cloud: it depends what you mean by changing distros. do you mean switching between different Debian releases or switching from a Linux distribution like Slackware to a different Linux distribution, like Debian? |
| 01:54.55 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, oh. |
| 01:54.59 | Dwonis | pawdro: Try looking at cdrecod's "dev=" option. cdrecord has several different drivers it uses to access CD drives, because none of them work with *every* burner ever made. |
| 01:55.03 | DaveLib | megatronix: i didnt find this in any documentation |
| 01:55.07 | grew | benjamindees: sbm? |
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| 01:55.35 | DaveLib | megatronix: i did see documentation aboout the session manaf\ger: that said it always starts metacity |
| 01:56.01 | Dwonis | pawdro: I doubt it's a Debian-specific problem, so you might want to look for people who know a lot about cdrecord itself. (Is there a cdrecord IRC channel?) |
| 01:56.04 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, i have this zone file for code0 http://code0.org/zone.txt |
| 01:56.08 | benjamindees | !sbm |
| 01:56.08 | dpkg | hmm... sbm is Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't. |
| 01:56.12 | DaveLib | megatronix: but my own exprerience showed me something was bringing back metacity after the variable told it not to |
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| 01:56.41 | DaveLib | megatronix: and i found after saving my fvwm session new invocations of gnome always take me to fvwm |
| 01:57.00 | cire | benjamindees: how may I interpret these 10000 max accesses on a cf card? If I format my card, how many accesses is that? |
| 01:57.15 | Amarande | I'm not exactly sure why. |
| 01:57.17 | markybob | Amarande: you dont need to reboot to fix time |
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| 01:57.24 | cire | 1? 1024? 1024*1024? 1024*1024*8??? |
| 01:57.27 | benjamindees | cire, one |
| 01:57.51 | markybob | Amarande: /etc/init.d/nptdate reload |
| 01:57.54 | cire | if I create a new file... is this one access? |
| 01:57.55 | megatronx | DaveLib: cool...tricky gnome |
| 01:58.00 | Red_Cloud | chealer, debian releases: from debian sarge to debian etch |
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| 01:58.20 | benjamindees | cire, yep |
| 01:58.22 | chealer | Red_Cloud: you don'T need to do a new install for that |
| 01:58.29 | DaveLib | megatronix: i just called up my .bashrc here is what i had in it for the gnome variable: WINDOW_MANAGER=fvwm |
| 01:58.29 | Bangers | anyone have or seen issues with KDE or X running at 2000x1000 |
| 01:58.33 | Bangers | (new dell 24" LCD) |
| 01:58.41 | chealer | !sarge->etch |
| 01:58.47 | pawdro | Dwonis: but it seems that's not driver error |
| 01:58.53 | Amarande | by the way. |
| 01:58.55 | chealer | !tell Red_Cloud about sarge->etch |
| 01:59.06 | Amarande | the graphics that appear when X first starts up (before gdm takes over the screen) are pretty neat. |
| 01:59.09 | Red_Cloud | chealer that is good news |
| 01:59.10 | cire | important question: Debian is asking whether I want to write the boot sector into the MBR or root partition... |
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| 01:59.17 | NitinShantharam | Gnea, any idea? |
| 01:59.20 | Amarande | okay, time to get out of this ircII and into a decent GUI. |
| 01:59.22 | DaveLib | megatronix: and then the next line after that in .bashrc: export WINDOW_MANAGER |
| 01:59.31 | benjamindees | cire, MBR is normal |
| 01:59.34 | pjv | hmm i don't have a permanent internet connection, is there a way i can have ntp as a daemon on my connection, without the risk of not working properly? |
| 01:59.35 | cire | okay |
| 01:59.42 | Gnea | NitinShantharam: generate A records that point at 192 ip's, use NIS to aggregate /etc/hosts, or hardcode /etc/hosts on every lan system |
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| 01:59.59 | DaveLib | megatronix: acording to the docs i read those 2 lines in .bashrc should get to fvwm instead of metacity |
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| 02:00.08 | aethera | YUY2 |
| 02:00.08 | deadcat | Gnea: did you see the 3ddesktop demo i have? |
| 02:00.11 | deadcat | pretty nice |
| 02:00.13 | megatronx | DaveLib: so at the end of .bashrc do WINDOW_MANAGER=wmaker then export windo_manager? |
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| 02:00.19 | aethera | how do I enable that in Xfree86? |
| 02:00.32 | aethera | xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images. |
| 02:00.42 | Red_Cloud | chealer thanks for the info |
| 02:00.45 | Gnea | deadcat: nope |
| 02:00.47 | cire | merde. Lilo could not be installed. |
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| 02:00.57 | DaveLib | megatronix: yes the export command give the variable in upper case case is signifucant |
| 02:00.58 | benjamindees | aethera, you want to enable xv |
| 02:01.00 | Amarande | Whew. |
| 02:01.03 | deadcat | Gnea: http://gblrk.dvc.edu/~fa05a18/3ddesktop.nosound.lavc.avi |
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| 02:01.12 | Gnea | deadcat: isn't that sdl-based? |
| 02:01.23 | DaveLib | megatronix: but as i said when i did that in my .bashrc it didnt work for me |
| 02:01.25 | benjamindees | aethera, what does xvinfo say? |
| 02:01.33 | deadcat | Gnea: sdl? |
| 02:01.44 | aethera | aethera@spawn:~$ xvinfo |
| 02:01.44 | aethera | X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 02:01.44 | aethera | screen #0 |
| 02:01.44 | aethera | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:01.48 | Gnea | deadcat: sdl. |
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| 02:01.50 | aethera | errr |
| 02:01.51 | megatronx | DaveLib: ok... |
| 02:01.53 | aethera | sorry |
| 02:01.53 | deadcat | !sdl |
| 02:01.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdl is the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl |
| 02:01.56 | benjamindees | aethera, sorry, don't paste |
| 02:01.57 | DaveLib | megatronix: what finally worked is the --replace and save the gnome session |
| 02:02.00 | Gnea | !tell aethera -about paste |
| 02:02.05 | deadcat | Gnea: no clue (= |
| 02:02.13 | aethera | benjamindees: it says no adaptors present |
| 02:02.20 | benjamindees | aethera, what is your video card? |
| 02:02.22 | ezu5t | i just installed a new video card into an existing kanotix (kernel 2.6.11). I thought I'd see if I could apt-get install the nvidia-glx stuff, and it succeeded (although it seems to be for version 2.6.14). How do I reconfigure X11 to create xf86config files that are consistent with my new video card? |
| 02:02.23 | cire | benjamindees: I selected mbr, lilo found other boot signatures ("show " shows hda1) I said ninclude all, resultn is an error |
| 02:02.29 | aethera | benjamindees: Radeon 9550 |
| 02:02.30 | megatronx | DaveLib: i'm going to try that...thank you very much |
| 02:02.37 | dn4 | how do I watch .wmv .ra files? |
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| 02:02.51 | Gnea | deadcat: opengl? |
| 02:02.58 | chealer | !tell dn4 about wmv |
| 02:02.58 | mfrisch | dn4: probally with one hand |
| 02:02.59 | Gnea | dn4: mplayer |
| 02:03.04 | deadcat | Gnea: ya. opengl required |
| 02:03.12 | Gnea | deadcat: url? |
| 02:03.17 | deadcat | Gnea: http://gblrk.dvc.edu/~fa05a18/3ddesktop.nosound.lavc.avi |
| 02:03.27 | Gnea | oh, 3ddesktop - "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher |
| 02:03.29 | Gnea | ? |
| 02:03.29 | Amarande | oh, dammit again. |
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| 02:03.37 | Amarande | there's 2 Stanchina fglrx pages. |
| 02:03.39 | deadcat | Gnea: ya. thats the oine.. try it.. fun (= |
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| 02:03.45 | Amarande | And one of them stopped at 8.19.something, only one of them goes to 8.21.7. |
| 02:03.46 | megatronx | DaveLib: anything else before i try it? |
| 02:03.49 | dn4 | !tell dn4 mplayer |
| 02:03.51 | _joey | how do I check if external hdd is in usb2 mode ? |
| 02:03.54 | Laggot | Hi all, |
| 02:03.55 | chealer | ezu5t: this is a Debian support channel. consider asking #kanotix |
| 02:04.06 | aethera | benjamindees: but there is not load in my Xfree86config for xv |
| 02:04.08 | Amarande | what was the newer Stanchina FGLRX page? |
| 02:04.16 | Amarande | dpkg gave me the old one |
| 02:04.25 | benjamindees | cire, if you're asking about woody I'm not sure exactly... |
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| 02:04.33 | DaveLib | megatronix: well one point of caution i was not sure what i was doing and when things didnt work i tried other files etc |
| 02:04.40 | cire | benjamindees: I am ;) |
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| 02:05.00 | DaveLib | megatronix: so i think i put those lines in other files too .profile or whatever |
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| 02:05.11 | Dwonis | pawdro: I don't know, then. My guess is that either your CDRW disc is bad, your burder refuses to erase it, or it really is driver-related. I'd poke around until I find something. |
| 02:05.16 | benjamindees | aethera, I don't think it's necessary, but your driver must support it |
| 02:05.19 | DaveLib | megatronix: so i am not sure which 1 was the important one |
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| 02:05.41 | aethera | benjamindees: I have to add Option "VideoOverlay" |
| 02:05.41 | pawdro | Dwonis: ok |
| 02:05.42 | DaveLib | megatronix: for all i know maybe all you need to do is the rerplace and the session save |
| 02:05.44 | aethera | to my system |
| 02:05.50 | benjamindees | cire, perhaps it's a safety feature; can you overwrite the MBR? |
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| 02:06.01 | aethera | brb |
| 02:06.03 | DaveLib | megatronix: my earlier try was .bachrc which didnt work |
| 02:06.06 | phemur | I'm having a problem with fonts in certain applications. Most of them use the fonts that I have set as the application font (I'm using Gnome), but some of them use their own, ugly font. Here's a screen shot to show what I mean: http://metawire.org/~joey/screenshot.jpg |
| 02:06.10 | ccg | are alsa-modules included in etch ? |
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| 02:06.27 | DaveLib | megatronix: without changing .bashrc back i did replace etc |
| 02:06.32 | phemur | In that screen shot, gimp is using my font, but gnucash and jedit are using their own |
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| 02:06.48 | DaveLib | megatronix: and it finally worked did i need the variable changed? i dunno |
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| 02:06.57 | Amarande | gah, that's 8.19 again! |
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| 02:07.09 | Amarande | when I was booted to Sarge, I knew there was an 8.21.7, but now I can't find the URL anymore. |
| 02:07.15 | Amarande | and Google isn't helping much. |
| 02:07.28 | DaveLib | megatronix: i will google "wmaker --replace" in another window see what i get |
| 02:07.40 | megatronx | DaveLib: ok... |
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| 02:07.54 | Wyzard | phemur: Your font settings are for GTK2, which is what all current GNOME apps use for their UI... those other apps in your screenshot are not GTK2 apps and don't know anything about your GNOME font settings |
| 02:08.34 | benjamindees | !pkg sbm |
| 02:08.35 | cire | benjamindees: I don't know. How may I check this? |
| 02:08.55 | phemur | Wyzard: Is there any way to clue them in to GTK2, or otherwise define what fonts they default to? (I'm new to Linux, please forgive my naivety) |
| 02:09.55 | Wyzard | phemur: Not really... they use a different, older mechanism for font rendering which is configured differently and which is not capable of anti-aliasing text like GNOME apps do |
| 02:10.06 | Amarande | ahh, here we go. |
| 02:10.09 | DaveLib | megatronix: i didnt find it for wmaker but i found something abt fvwm --replace: http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html |
| 02:10.49 | benjamindees | cire, I've never heard of that error before and it's been a while since I installed woody, but you have a problem if the installer can't put lilo on the MBR... |
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| 02:11.13 | dn4 | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:11.15 | DaveLib | megatronix: about 1/2 down in that url is a section about gnome session |
| 02:11.16 | dn4 | what is up with that?? |
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| 02:11.23 | Gnea | dn4: /topic |
| 02:11.23 | Supaplex | dn4: topic |
| 02:11.27 | Wyzard | dn4: You need to install marillat's apt key |
| 02:11.27 | megatronx | DaveLib: i've seen that site... |
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| 02:11.36 | aethera | benjamindees: you got any ideas on videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0 |
| 02:11.49 | megatronx | DaveLib: never gave it a try since it was for fvwm |
| 02:12.01 | benjamindees | aethera, yeah you definitely need the Gatos drivers to support that... |
| 02:12.08 | aethera | benjamindees: it works |
| 02:12.09 | aethera | :) |
| 02:12.11 | DaveLib | megatronix: well that 1/2 way point they tyalk abt that command fvwm --replace |
| 02:12.11 | aethera | :P |
| 02:12.26 | aethera | I now need to get my tv card working |
| 02:12.33 | phemur | Wyzard: Thanks for the information. Am I basically stuck with the huge, ugly fonts, then? |
| 02:12.47 | DaveLib | megatroinx ya maybe that is an fvwm command to let it replace |
| 02:12.59 | aethera | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:13.05 | Wyzard | phemur: Well, you could use different apps |
| 02:13.10 | megatronx | DaveLib: i'm going to give it a try and see what occurs...brb... |
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| 02:13.14 | Wyzard | phemur: though I don't think there's a good alternative to GnuCash |
| 02:13.19 | Amarande | okay, things seem to be going well now. :) |
| 02:13.20 | Red_Cloud | chealer, received the dpkg info, thanks |
| 02:13.24 | dn4 | weird a key server, this reminds me of ghost busters with the key master and the gatekeeper |
| 02:13.26 | nichos | hi all, i just made 2.6.15 and now im not getting any sound. Ive check the levels. I have the same drive compiled in |
| 02:13.27 | DaveLib | megatronix: well 1 fasdt thing you could try ... ya ok try wmkarer --replace in a shell in gnome |
| 02:13.30 | Wyzard | phemur: (There's a newer GTK2-based one called Grisbi, but it's less mature and seems a bit buggy) |
| 02:13.32 | chealer | Red_Cloud: no problem |
| 02:13.35 | Amarande | I'll have to reboot soon into the K7 kernel though, so I have my full memory capacity. |
| 02:13.40 | nichos | i do get a little sound when i plug the jack into the mic |
| 02:13.43 | benjamindees | aethera, what works? radeon video capture or gatos? |
| 02:13.48 | Amarande | Anyway ... I did notice when installing etch, that it complained a lot about 'untrusted packages'. |
| 02:13.58 | Amarande | Is this something new in etch, or is it simply because it is testing? |
| 02:14.02 | Azar | nichos after kernel upgrade I guess you have to re-run alsaconf if you have alsa |
| 02:14.09 | aethera | the overlay thing |
| 02:14.15 | aethera | I can open tvtime now |
| 02:14.22 | aethera | the ati driver worked fine for me |
| 02:14.26 | Wyzard | Amarande: It's because apt now checks digital signatures on package lists, but you don't have the public keys installed for it to be able to verify the signatures |
| 02:14.27 | nichos | Azar where can i get that? Apt-cache search didnt return anything |
| 02:14.29 | phemur | Wyzard: I don't need gnucash for anything too intensive. Just making sure there's enough cash in my checking account to cover my credit card, really. |
| 02:14.58 | Azar | nichos, first what did you got: system hardware, and sound packages - which ones? |
| 02:15.10 | Amarande | wyzard: which package do I install to get those? |
| 02:15.17 | phemur | Wyzard: I'm in the process of switching to Linux from OS X, so I'm currently just making sure I can do everything I need to in Linux before I sell my old PowerBook |
| 02:15.33 | dn4 | gpg: keyserver timed out |
| 02:15.33 | dn4 | gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error |
| 02:15.35 | dn4 | harsh!! |
| 02:15.46 | nichos | Azar sound blaster audigy live - ive installed alsabase |
| 02:15.46 | Supaplex | phemur: you could install linux on the powerbook, or just give it to me. :) |
| 02:15.48 | Amarande | dn4: no, that's not harsh. :) |
| 02:15.53 | nichos | Azar its working on my old kernel |
| 02:15.57 | cire | benjamindees: I partitioned the disk by using fdisk, (1: 10 MB linux, 2: 900 MB linux, 3: 90 mB swap) and try to reinstall debian |
| 02:16.02 | Amarande | harsh is like Windows, where it alerts you to a problem by freezing hard without an error message. :) |
| 02:16.14 | Amarande | At least even with kernel panic you usually get a message as to why. |
| 02:16.17 | benjamindees | aethera, yeah the included drivers should support xv, but not radeon video capture |
| 02:16.25 | Azar | nichos then you will need to run again alsaconf and if you do not have it, install alsa-base |
| 02:16.31 | benjamindees | cire, don't put swap on a CF |
| 02:16.36 | Supaplex | Amarande: and you can also debug it further =) |
| 02:16.44 | Supaplex | ewww swap on cf = death |
| 02:16.46 | phemur | Supaplex: The PowerBook is leaving me so that I can have a roof and food for a certain period of time |
| 02:16.51 | dn4 | Amarande, what is it then? |
| 02:17.04 | aethera | benjamindees: nah man I am working with a booktree tv capture |
| 02:17.05 | aethera | :) |
| 02:17.29 | Amarande | btw, is there a package you install to get the keys for package lists? |
| 02:17.40 | Azar | nichos, if you upgraded your kernel to the crazy 2.6.15 I guess you will need to update/upgrade so the rest of packages get in sync with the new kernel |
| 02:18.08 | lunaphyte | how come when i try to apt-get install cacti, it complains about php5, and insists on replacing all my php5 stuff with php4, but the description on packages.debian.org says php5 is fine? |
| 02:18.34 | Supaplex | Azar: what's crazy about 2.6.15? what do you think they made kernel-package for? |
| 02:18.51 | dn4 | so what is this new publick key |
| 02:18.59 | aethera | benjamindees: it works beautifully |
| 02:19.00 | aethera | :) |
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| 02:19.06 | Supaplex | !topicsmite dn4 |
| 02:19.07 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dn4. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:19.07 | aethera | tvtime is a nice application |
| 02:19.18 | aethera | Linux has come a long way since last I used it |
| 02:19.32 | megatronx | DaveLib: tried wmaker --replace and i get an invalid argument... |
| 02:19.40 | Azar | hey its nice they sticked a <GoBack> option on the installer interface.. |
| 02:20.01 | Supaplex | cire: The 'noatime' mount option is suggested for filesystems on flash media |
| 02:20.29 | dn4 | I have apt 0.6.43.1 now but still have key issues |
| 02:20.31 | nichos | Azar ill give that a try, i will quit X to do alsaconf though, thanks |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | dn4: did you .. install the key? |
| 02:21.29 | arcskon | Anyone familiar with Labplot? |
| 02:21.35 | cire | Supaplex: What does it do? |
| 02:21.36 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 02:21.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:21.48 | Azar | Installation question: Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record? <Yes> <No> -- if I chose no, do I get a LILO alternative? |
| 02:22.07 | Supaplex | cire: it's in the mount man page |
| 02:22.28 | dn4 | abrotman, yes |
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| 02:22.34 | abrotman | dn4: apt-key --list |
| 02:22.39 | cire | okay |
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| 02:22.48 | abrotman | erm .. just apt-ket list |
| 02:22.53 | chealer | lunaphyte: exactly which php5 packages are replaced? |
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| 02:23.08 | dn4 | abrotman, when I gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F everything in my console goes to weird stuff |
| 02:23.32 | Dwonis | dn4: gpg -a --export ... |
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| 02:23.54 | Supaplex | cire: lightens the load. flash media is slow (compared to hdd) and has a limited life span (less writes = good) |
| 02:23.58 | Azar | http://www.howtoforge.com/images/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/12.gif << what if I chose <No> ? do I get a LILO boot loader alternative? |
| 02:24.14 | lunaphyte | chealer: it insists on removing libapache2-mod-php5, and insists on installing libapache2-mod-php4, php4, and php4-common. |
| 02:24.21 | dn4 | pub 1024D/4F368D5D 2005-01-31 [expires: 2006-01-31] |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | you're supposed to pipe it |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | that's all one command |
| 02:24.55 | chealer | lunaphyte: that's normal if your APT frontend has poor handling of dependencies alternatives |
| 02:25.13 | Dwonis | Azar: This doesn't exactly answer your question, but you usually want GRUB, not LILO, if you're given the option. |
| 02:25.14 | comsa | thats a kde thingy arcskon |
| 02:25.15 | Supaplex | Azar: you can 'go back' and choose lilo |
| 02:25.37 | cire | Supaplex: Thank you. This is what I was searching for, before the CF-install problems occured. Afterwards this will be helpful. |
| 02:25.41 | arcskon | comsa: I figured it out anyway...couldn't figure out how to add constants |
| 02:25.49 | Saskwach | Azar: no, it doesn't. It doesn't install a boot loader if you say no. |
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| 02:26.19 | dn4 | abrotman, all one command as a user not superuser? |
| 02:26.21 | comsa | no probs |
| 02:26.22 | Supaplex | cire: my syslog config doesn't write local files. I keep a copy on /dev/tty12 and one @syslogbox (remote) |
| 02:26.33 | lunaphyte | chealer: that's using apt-get - aptitude is even worse. any other suggestions? |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | dn4: as a user afaik |
| 02:26.45 | Azar | thanks guys, because I need LILO |
| 02:26.47 | chealer | lunaphyte: no |
| 02:26.54 | abrotman | dn4: it will ask you for a password for the sudo parts |
| 02:26.54 | dn4 | afaik? |
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| 02:27.10 | benjamindees | !afaik |
| 02:27.11 | dpkg | it has been said that afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 02:27.28 | Supaplex | cire: now it's halfway snappy. I only have 256mb storage, and 128mb ram, but I use tmpfs for the directories apt/dpkg use for cache (and a tiny hack to extract a tarball that remakes the directories on boot before they're mounted) |
| 02:27.29 | chealer | lunaphyte: you can do what you want with apt-get, but you have to coach it |
| 02:27.44 | dn4 | weird |
| 02:27.53 | dn4 | the sudo art does not ask me for a password |
| 02:27.53 | dn4 | hahaha |
| 02:27.59 | Azar | that's the beauty with Debian linux: you can choose your stuff is not like "we know better what you need" and you get stuffed with stuff you may not want |
| 02:28.01 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:28.07 | Amarande | I think I'm about to spend a long, LONG time in aptitude. |
| 02:28.28 | Supaplex | dn4: that varies based on your config, and how long you last ran sudo |
| 02:28.40 | gravity | Amarande: tasksel can help you bootstrap a working system quickly |
| 02:28.46 | gravity | Amarande: You can remove packages from it later |
| 02:28.48 | benjamindees | Amarande, are you still installing backports on Sarge? |
| 02:29.03 | Amarande | gravity: yeah, I have a working system. The thing is that I've discovered pretty much everything to do with gcc hasn't been installed, though. :) |
| 02:29.06 | abrotman | dn4: you can do the whole thing as root at your own risk .. just leave off the two sudo parts |
| 02:29.11 | Amarande | nope, I switched to Etch. |
| 02:29.15 | gravity | Amarande: aptitude install build-essential |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | err . .not the sudo parts .. just those words |
| 02:29.19 | gravity | Amarande: That'll get you started |
| 02:29.25 | Laggot | man my girlfriend just broke up with me |
| 02:29.28 | Saskwach | Amarande: tasksel tasks are also in aptitude |
| 02:29.35 | gravity | True also |
| 02:29.47 | benjamindees | oh, yeah aptitude sucks, keep running it over and over again with 'upgrade' |
| 02:29.49 | aethera | Laggot: thats sucks |
| 02:29.52 | gravity | uh... no |
| 02:29.55 | gravity | aptitude is awesome |
| 02:29.58 | Azar | Laggot: #dumped |
| 02:30.04 | aethera | aptitude sucks |
| 02:30.08 | Saskwach | aptitude is the great! |
| 02:30.18 | comsa | sucks |
| 02:30.18 | Saskwach | compare to dselect |
| 02:30.19 | dn4 | abrotman, still no luck the key is not found :( |
| 02:30.28 | Dwonis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.34 | deadcat | !start a package manager war |
| 02:30.38 | ccg | apt-get>dselect>aptitude |
| 02:30.38 | Azar | aethera: eh you will have hard time with Debian if you do not like aptitude, move to other distro |
| 02:30.54 | Saskwach | also, what other apt front end removes automatically installed packages when they're no longer needed? |
| 02:30.54 | aethera | Azar: apt-get is all I need |
| 02:30.54 | gravity | apt-get is way overrated |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | dn4: how about the actual error |
| 02:31.00 | aethera | aptitude is a waste of time |
| 02:31.01 | benjamindees | !hug apt-get |
| 02:31.02 | gravity | Usually by people with minimal experience |
| 02:31.03 | Saskwach | dpkg -i |
| 02:31.10 | repp | grep is the one true package browser |
| 02:31.14 | Azar | I use aptitude for system-wide installations, apt-get for small packages |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | gravity: i prefer apt-get :) |
| 02:31.16 | gravity | repp: grep-dctrl! |
| 02:31.20 | Dwonis | manually installing stuff with ar(1) is the way to go! |
| 02:31.31 | ccg | aptitude is for newbies |
| 02:31.42 | Azar | ccg eh |
| 02:31.43 | repp | gravity: yes :) |
| 02:31.44 | Saskwach | newbies and system administrators |
| 02:31.49 | gravity | ccg: Sure... newbies like me |
| 02:31.50 | deadcat | Dwonis: lets see you do that for a whole system. and upgrades... |
| 02:31.56 | chealer | !win Dwonis |
| 02:31.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, Dwonis! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | gravity: admit it .. you're a n00b |
| 02:32.05 | gravity | I've only been using Debian for... jesus... 6 years |
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| 02:32.08 | Amarande | yay, finally fglrx is installed |
| 02:32.10 | cem__ | im a newb |
| 02:32.11 | dn4 | apt-key add gpg: can't open `': No such file or directory |
| 02:32.11 | Azar | aptitude is best for installing system packages while it gets better hands on dependencies |
| 02:32.12 | cem__ | so what |
| 02:32.14 | Amarande | now how do I actually use it? |
| 02:32.14 | abrotman | gravity: newb! |
| 02:32.19 | cem__ | have to start somewhere |
| 02:32.22 | lunaphyte | chealer: what sort of options would allow me to coach apt-get in terms of this? nothing in the man page is jumping out at me. |
| 02:32.25 | gravity | abrotman: Compared to many I am, which is scary |
| 02:32.27 | Dwonis | deadcat: Nah, I'd write a script to do it. I'd call it "NOTdpkg" |
| 02:32.29 | Amarande | or does it just get used automatically when running an OpenGL application, and doesn't need to be loaded manually? |
| 02:32.32 | Supaplex | !start a flame war |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | gravity: i think i'm .. 7-8 years .. i can't remember :) |
| 02:32.57 | deadcat | abrotman: i am 16 years (= |
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| 02:33.05 | Saskwach | Man, packages are for losers...I run slackware...wait, no |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | i used to manage my system with .. dselect |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | deadcat: years old ? |
| 02:33.13 | Wyzard | Amarande: The main part of fglrx is the X driver, which is needed to actually start X |
| 02:33.15 | deadcat | abrotman: using linux right? haha |
| 02:33.16 | gravity | abrotman: Me too, until I switched to aptitude |
| 02:33.17 | repp | cem__: most of us remember when we were thrashing; some of us still do it |
| 02:33.19 | Azar | aptitude was introduced with Sarge, when I upgraded from Woody that's what I used: aptitude |
| 02:33.25 | Wyzard | Amarande: The OpenGL part (libGL) is loaded only by programs which use GL |
| 02:33.28 | Amarande | Wyzard: so I should drxx again and select fglrx as the driver? |
| 02:33.28 | Saskwach | my slink system used all kinds of dpkg |
| 02:33.33 | gravity | I use apt-get for limited things. Some single package installs, pulling build-deps, and pulling sources. That's it. |
| 02:33.38 | Wyzard | Amarande: yes |
| 02:33.39 | abrotman | gravity: i think when i switched to apt-get .. i'm not sure aptitude existed yet |
| 02:33.42 | Dwonis | I remember when dselect wasn't just an apt frontend |
| 02:33.54 | Azar | when doing a dist-upgrade aptitude owns |
| 02:34.00 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, I just stuck with dselect because I really like having an interactive frontend |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | i remember when dselect sucked ... oh wait .. it still does :) |
| 02:34.10 | gravity | I don't know how people manage to run sid without an interactive apt frontend |
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| 02:34.15 | Amarande | i remember when I could spend 5 or 6 hours just in dselect when setting up a new box |
| 02:34.16 | Azar | haha, ;) abrotman |
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| 02:34.26 | gravity | Heh, it wasn't that bad. It got a worse rap than it deserved. It wasn't intuitive, but it worked |
| 02:34.39 | deadcat | i dont remember when dselect sucks.. i just started using debian 3 weeks ago |
| 02:34.42 | comsa | mmmm heaven |
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| 02:34.46 | abrotman | gravity: dependency resolution took a long time |
| 02:34.48 | Dwonis | gravity: I thought dselect was more intuitive than older versions of aptitude |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | Is BIND hopefully free of root holes currently? |
| 02:34.56 | Saskwach | sure gravity, after the initial 3 hour learning session, dselect was great...for breaking things |
| 02:34.58 | gravity | Dwonis: Me too |
| 02:35.10 | Dwonis | Amarande: hah! who knows? |
| 02:35.10 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, but it was easier to fix large breakages in unstable :-) |
| 02:35.14 | Wyzard | Amarande: There's a nifty little DNS cache called "pdns" that you can install |
| 02:35.19 | Supaplex | Amarande: no, that's sendmail |
| 02:35.21 | knoxy | I've problems in boot time if I use different mouse or monitor.. How I resolve this problem? The 'udev' is loaded and my kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 02:35.24 | gravity | Saskwach: It didn't take me 3 hours. It took me a few minutes to do complex things |
| 02:35.31 | chealer | lunaphyte: try something like # apt-get install cacti libapache2-mod-php4- |
| 02:35.34 | Amarande | speaking of sendmail, I noticed etch doesn't install an MTA anymore by default, either |
| 02:35.39 | Saskwach | I know, I'm making use of the hyperbole. |
| 02:35.45 | Wyzard | Amarande: There's also a nifty package called "resolvconf" that does cool things with your system's DNS configuration |
| 02:35.47 | gravity | Saskwach: I read the help though, which is something most people apparently didn't do |
| 02:35.47 | Supaplex | Amarande: I mean wftp, er .. php .. er wait. I forget. ;) |
| 02:35.52 | gravity | Once I figured that out, it was easy |
| 02:35.52 | dn4 | GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | you fucker |
| 02:36.04 | abrotman | why didn't you say that |
| 02:36.05 | dn4 | This is after I run the key information givent o me from the topic! |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | !tell dn4 about marillat key |
| 02:36.15 | xam | Amaramde: it seems that there weren't much security holes discovered lately in bind |
| 02:36.21 | Saskwach | what? there's a manual? Debian's well documented? Who woulda thunk it from the stuff you see in here... |
| 02:36.25 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:36.36 | gravity | aptitude has kick-ass documentation |
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| 02:36.48 | Azar | Saskwach: there is a catch: the manual is for people who read, those who don't come here |
| 02:36.48 | gravity | It's really long though, so most people don't look at it enough, myself included |
| 02:36.51 | knoxy | I've problems in boot time if I use different mouse or monitor.. How I resolve this problem? The 'udev' is loaded and my kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 02:36.59 | abrotman | gravity: is 7 done yet? |
| 02:37.00 | deadcat | can someone explain why the website show 18 seeders, and when i bt the file. its 0 seeds? |
| 02:37.07 | Saskwach | aptitude does have pretty good documentation |
| 02:37.08 | gravity | abrotman: Working on the drivers now. The server is basically done |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | gravity: how long does it take to build ? |
| 02:37.23 | gravity | abrotman: I don't know, I build it in pieces |
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| 02:37.28 | ClayG | What can I use to connect to my ubuntu box using xdmcp |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | gravity: you can't use buildd ? |
| 02:37.36 | gravity | ClayG: #ubuntu |
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| 02:37.37 | deadcat | ClayG: #ubuntu |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | ClayG: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:37.44 | Azar | ClayG: ubuntu cable |
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| 02:37.54 | Supaplex | because it's not debian :p |
| 02:37.55 | gravity | abrotman: Uh... I could, but I need to do work locally for committing to svn easily |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:38.05 | Amarande | Restarting X. |
| 02:38.11 | ClayG | What can I use to connect to my kubuntu box using xdmcp |
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| 02:38.14 | ClayG | sorry type-o |
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| 02:38.15 | Dwonis | ClayG: Are you trying to connect to an Ubuntu box from a Debian machine? |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | ClayG: #kubuntu |
| 02:38.19 | gravity | ClayG: #ubuntu |
| 02:38.20 | Azar | ClayG: an ubuntu cable |
| 02:38.22 | deadcat | gravity: @kubuntu |
| 02:38.25 | deadcat | oops |
| 02:38.26 | ClayG | heh i mean debian |
| 02:38.26 | gravity | either way |
| 02:38.27 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 02:38.27 | ClayG | man sorry |
| 02:38.33 | ClayG | no i have a windows xp machine |
| 02:38.39 | Saskwach | gravity: ssh-agent? |
| 02:38.39 | ClayG | a debian machine and an ubuntu machine |
| 02:38.41 | deadcat | ClayG: #edubuntu would be our next answer |
| 02:38.45 | knoxy | I've problems in boot time if I use different mouse or monitor.. How I resolve this problem? The 'udev' is loaded and my kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 02:38.59 | ClayG | the nix machines can use the xdmcp chooser and connect to eachother |
| 02:39.01 | ClayG | with the remote desktop |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | ClayG: go ask #ubuntu |
| 02:39.15 | Azar | knoxy: thats an x server configuration, not a kernel issue |
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| 02:39.44 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 02:39.45 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. Ubuntu doesn't have a strong security team like Debian does - http://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/eterm-exploit.c.html |
| 02:39.50 | Azar | knoxy: see if you have x installed, and if so run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (for XFree, not Xorg) |
| 02:39.52 | Dwonis | ClayG: Run X --help and look at the "-indirect" or "-direct" options |
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| 02:39.59 | deadcat | we havent seen bob2 in a while no? |
| 02:40.07 | cem__ | more like poo-buntu |
| 02:40.08 | cem__ | haha |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | !seen bob2 |
| 02:40.16 | dpkg | bob2 <i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 46d 19h 34m 57s ago, saying: 'Mortal1: np, good luck'. |
| 02:40.21 | Azar | deadcat: I hope he is not banned as well! |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | deadcat: we keep shooting the ops |
| 02:40.33 | deadcat | Azar: damn... like mwilson? hahah |
| 02:40.48 | gravity | No, bob2 isn't banned at all |
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| 02:40.51 | abrotman | gravity: where'd he go? release time again ? |
| 02:40.53 | SerajewelKS | what happened to bob1? |
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| 02:40.58 | knoxy | Azar how I resolve this problem? mouse drivers not exists or isn't loadeds, I think.. |
| 02:41.01 | gravity | abrotman: No idea, but that's definitely not it |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg nickserv info bob1 |
| 02:41.05 | cem__ | hey i get an error when i try to burn cds, how do i configure it |
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| 02:41.09 | cem__ | my cd writer |
| 02:41.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it was a joke... |
| 02:41.15 | Azar | knoxy: you should know better than anyone if you have X Server installed |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | gravity: maybe one of the DDs/ops told him to leave ? |
| 02:41.51 | chealer | gravity: why? |
| 02:41.53 | knoxy | Azar I've x server installed.. |
| 02:42.04 | chealer | gravity: oops |
| 02:42.07 | chealer | abrotman: why? |
| 02:42.14 | abrotman | chealer: why what ? |
| 02:42.22 | gravity | abrotman: No, he's just vanished. I assume he's got his reasons |
| 02:42.24 | chealer | abrotman: you're talking about bob2? |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | gravity: he hasn't been on fn at all |
| 02:42.38 | Azar | knoxy: then run this command in terminal : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set up your mouse and display configurations |
| 02:42.40 | abrotman | chealer: yes |
| 02:42.54 | chealer | abrotman: I don't see why a DD or op would have asked bob2 to leave |
| 02:42.59 | deadcat | maybe hes sick of irc or freenode, or hes in jail, dead |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | chealer: why not? |
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| 02:43.10 | knoxy | Azar ok.. I go set this command.. wait |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | !seen greycat |
| 02:43.11 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 16d 6h 22m 19s ago, saying: 'that one's 404. http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html had it, but appears down/slow.'. |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | that doesn't work .. |
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| 02:43.39 | chealer | abrotman: because it would need a reason? |
| 02:43.45 | abrotman | chealer: not really |
| 02:43.58 | hobbes__ | I have a conflict between a madwifi driver and CONFIG_MODVERSIONS. Does anybody know if I can resolve this without rebuilding my kernel? |
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| 02:44.44 | foolhardy | howdy ppl, I was just reading that the linux kernel is capable or reading Mac cds that are 'HSF' format (as opposed to ISO) |
| 02:44.57 | foolhardy | im assuming i need to load a module kernel, anyone know what it is called ? |
| 02:45.16 | foolhardy | a kernel module i mean |
| 02:45.53 | deadcat | foolhardy: i cant seem to mount my osx iso image. |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | maybe the .. hsf module ? |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | or hfsplus ? |
| 02:46.44 | foolhardy | maybe, but i get module not found with my current kernel... |
| 02:46.55 | abrotman | did you build your own kernel ? |
| 02:47.11 | deadcat | foolhardy: modprobe -l |grep hfs |
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| 02:47.21 | foolhardy | DOH.... hfs (as opposed to hsf as I was typing) |
| 02:47.26 | foolhardy | damn fat fingers (or brain) |
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| 02:47.42 | deadcat | i say fat fingers |
| 02:47.45 | ddfire | hi i get this "USER NOT KNOWN TO THE UNDERLYING AUTHENTICATION MODULE" what i can do??? thanks |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | fattyhead! |
| 02:47.54 | Supaplex | dem fingerz be phat |
| 02:47.56 | _joey_ | has anyone enable usb2 on 2.4.27 ? |
| 02:48.00 | deadcat | ddfire: from what? |
| 02:48.03 | Gnea | !tell ddfire -about ask |
| 02:48.24 | ddfire | gnea what? |
| 02:48.33 | Gnea | !tell ddfire -about ask |
| 02:48.33 | deadcat | Gnea: tried 3ddesktop yet? |
| 02:48.35 | _joey_ | :(( |
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| 02:48.39 | deadcat | ddfire: try cfdisk |
| 02:48.47 | Gnea | deadcat: trying to, my ctrl-alt-f# is broken :/ |
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| 02:49.03 | Amarande | Hrm. |
| 02:49.04 | ddfire | deadcat, from a live cd when finish the boot preces when try to strart whit a user "user" |
| 02:49.05 | Gnea | deadcat: i think it's fixed though, updating e17 while i'm at it |
| 02:49.09 | Amarande | Looks like I might have to wait for a new version of fglrx. |
| 02:49.13 | deadcat | ddfire: debian dont have live cd |
| 02:49.23 | foolhardy | thanx for the patience guys, now I just gotta work out the rest! |
| 02:49.32 | Amarande | It seems to only support up to the X850, and definitely doesn't pick up the X1600, it gives the same fatal as the regular ATI driver. |
| 02:49.33 | Amarande | Oh well. |
| 02:49.37 | ddfire | deadcat, is a live from debian whit a kernel from debian is all debian |
| 02:49.39 | Amarande | On a more fixable note ... |
| 02:49.41 | Gnea | ddfire: what livecd? |
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| 02:49.45 | _joey_ | it'd be nice if someone could help be to enable usb2 mode on debian sarge |
| 02:49.49 | Gnea | ddfire: what's it called? |
| 02:49.49 | deadcat | Gnea: damn. have we ever seen a screenshot of your e17? |
| 02:49.54 | _joey_ | *me |
| 02:49.55 | Amarande | How do I get X to run at more than a 60 Hz refresh? This isn't good on my eyes. |
| 02:50.00 | deadcat | ddfire: debian dont have live cd. |
| 02:50.01 | Gnea | deadcat: yeah, but the site is currently down |
| 02:50.05 | deadcat | doh |
| 02:50.10 | Gnea | yeah |
| 02:50.11 | Amarande | I did drxx again and gave my monitor specs (30-107 and 50-160) and I'm still in 60 Hz. |
| 02:50.11 | ddfire | deadcat, the problem start when i copy from /home/user to /etc/skel |
| 02:50.28 | Amarande | How is this fixed? |
| 02:50.29 | Gnea | ddfire: stop. what is the name of the distro you are using? it is not debian. |
| 02:50.30 | deadcat | ddfire: time to get new hdd |
| 02:50.45 | dn4 | where can I find .deb files to download so I can manually install with dpkg? |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | _joey_: that depends on the devices and your computer |
| 02:50.58 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.00 | deadcat | dn4: packages.debian.org |
| 02:51.04 | Gnea | dn4: ^^ |
| 02:51.05 | ddfire | deadcat, the HDD is fine |
| 02:51.16 | deadcat | ddfire: i dont know |
| 02:51.18 | Gnea | ddfire: please answer the question. |
| 02:51.19 | Amarande | Is there a utility to change refresh rates and such from X, the way Windows has in Control Panel? |
| 02:51.29 | erondon | how do i see all my packages and uninstall what i dont want |
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| 02:51.39 | ddfire | Gnea, is a meta distro |
| 02:51.42 | e2e | erondon: dpkg -l |
| 02:51.45 | benjamindees | _joey, use the 2.6 kernel |
| 02:51.47 | Gnea | ddfire: again, WHAT IS IT CALLED? |
| 02:51.51 | deadcat | Amarande: no. maybe you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x(org|free86) |
| 02:51.58 | deadcat | Gnea: meta linux |
| 02:52.17 | foolhardy | it is now telling me it cant read the 'superblock' when I try mount the cd. what does that mean ? |
| 02:52.24 | _joey_ | abrotman it's external hdd |
| 02:52.30 | ddfire | Gnea, meta distro is diferent is not like knoppix whit meta distro you change your debian to a liveCD using squash and unionfs whit a normal kernell |
| 02:52.31 | dn4 | packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues. |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | _joey_: good .. does your coputer and the device support usb2 ? |
| 02:52.51 | Gnea | ddfire: url? |
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| 02:52.57 | deadcat | dn4: out of luck. or apt-get install BLAH -d, then cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i BLAH.deb |
| 02:52.58 | Gnea | ddfire: then it's not debian. |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | Gnea: sounds suspiciously not like debian :) |
| 02:53.03 | ddfire | Gnea, it is in spanish |
| 02:53.29 | Gnea | ddfire: I don't see it on distrowatch.com, it doesn't exist. |
| 02:53.30 | ddfire | Gnea, http://soleup.eup.uva.es/mario/post/1/265 |
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| 02:53.43 | e2e | dn4: What is the problem with apt-get install package? |
| 02:53.48 | ddfire | Gnea, it is not a knoppix based livecd |
| 02:54.01 | Gnea | ddfire: that doesn't make it pure debian. |
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| 02:54.28 | Gnea | ddfire: it's in spanish, we speak english here. |
| 02:54.30 | Amarande | restarting X again ... |
| 02:54.31 | Gnea | !es |
| 02:54.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | Gnea: it's not even debian |
| 02:54.50 | gravity | rebuilding X again ... |
| 02:54.54 | Gnea | abrotman: i know. :) |
| 02:55.01 | ant__ | anybody uses sudo? |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | gravity: don't you only want to do it once ? |
| 02:55.09 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use sudo |
| 02:55.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses sudo, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:55.51 | gravity | abrotman: If only |
| 02:55.52 | ddfire | Gnea, imagine it happend in a normal debian |
| 02:55.54 | comsa | xandros is a debian distro that will do that Amarande |
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| 02:56.02 | Amarande | drxx'd, confirmed by checking xorg.conf that the settings are correct |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | gravity: let me guess .. you build it on a 486? |
| 02:56.05 | Shadowcat | Xandros is NOT a debian distro |
| 02:56.07 | Amarande | and I'm still in 60 Hz. |
| 02:56.12 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 02:56.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:56.14 | Dwonis | !based on Debian |
| 02:56.14 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | xandros is not free |
| 02:56.18 | erondon | e2e, when i do dpkg -l i get all the list of my app but some appear as "ii" and others as "rc" what does that mean? |
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| 02:56.31 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: slow |
| 02:56.33 | Amarande | Is the vesa driver limited to 60 Hz in 1024x768 regardless of the card? |
| 02:56.39 | ant__ | i've problems when i execute programs as root... can Anybody help me? |
| 02:56.41 | comsa | the one on the mag is |
| 02:56.42 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: bah |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | Amarande: what is your video card ? |
| 02:56.45 | _joey_ | abrotman yes |
| 02:56.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:56.53 | _joey_ | abrotman both support usb2 |
| 02:56.53 | Amarande | Sapphire Radeon X1600 Pro. |
| 02:57.01 | Amarande | Too new for even fglrx, apparently. |
| 02:57.11 | gravity | Ah, is that really new? |
| 02:57.13 | Shadowcat | not our fault you use ATI |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | _joey_: and it doesn't transfer at usb2 speeds? . if it's like my laptop . not all the ports are usb2 |
| 02:57.20 | Amarande | I'm starting to worry, actually. I noted just how new the latest ATI fglrx is ... |
| 02:57.29 | _joey_ | abrotman dell PIII 1Ghz system and new 250G seagate in external enclosure that supports usb2 |
| 02:57.29 | Amarande | and it still doesn't support the X1300, X1600, X1800 or X1900. |
| 02:57.29 | foolhardy | anyone know if any special commands are required to mount a hfs disk ?? (other than -t hfs) |
| 02:57.34 | _joey_ | abrotman no |
| 02:57.38 | Amarande | Has ATI decided to stop supporting new Radeons and switch to Windows only? |
| 02:57.46 | Gnea | ddfire: it's not meta distro, it's Soleupix, and it's ripping off the Debian logo. |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | _joey_: unless you have a PCI usb2 card .. that machine probably doesn't have usb2 |
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| 02:57.55 | Amarande | yeah, the X1600 is very new. |
| 02:57.55 | ant__ | it's show the error: cannot connect to X server. |
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| 02:58.01 | Amarande | It and the X1300 and X1900 are the newest. |
| 02:58.02 | _joey_ | abrotman why ? |
| 02:58.20 | abrotman | _joey_: because it's too old |
| 02:58.21 | Amarande | the ati and fglrx xorg drivers both say they can't find the video card and crash out |
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| 02:58.29 | Amarande | vesa works, but leaves me in 60 Hz, and I can SEE that blasted flicker. |
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| 02:58.43 | abrotman | _joey_: ie for lspci |grep -i usb for me show stuf flike |
| 02:58.48 | comsa | good old vesa |
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| 02:58.55 | abrotman | 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) |
| 02:58.58 | Amarande | and it doesn't want to go above 60 Hz even though I've told it my monitor can go all the way to 160. |
| 02:58.59 | e2e | erondon: ii means installed, rc mean removed but package's conf files still available... |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | notice .. different |
| 02:59.01 | gravity | Yeah, that is too new |
| 02:59.07 | gravity | At least for 6.9/7.0 |
| 02:59.18 | Gnea | abrotman: tell me if that's right or not: http://soleup.eup.uva.es/mediawiki/index.php/Soleupix |
| 02:59.19 | gravity | I haven't seen support for that go in to cvs yet either |
| 02:59.24 | ant__ | thanks for help... i'll change to Red Hat distro. |
| 02:59.27 | erondon | e2e, how do i remove the conf files? |
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| 02:59.43 | abrotman | Gnea: it's in spanish |
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| 02:59.52 | e2e | erondon: dpkg -P package_name (-P means purge) |
| 03:00.20 | Amarande | gravity: I'm wondering why ATI hasn't supported it in their fglrx driver, though. |
| 03:00.27 | Amarande | 8.21.7 is dated January 18. |
| 03:00.29 | gravity | Amarande: They're behind as well |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | Amarande: the joy of closed drivers |
| 03:00.38 | Amarande | And I'm sure the X1600 has been out at least that long. |
| 03:00.53 | gravity | There is an r300 project but I don't recall if your card is an r300 |
| 03:00.59 | gravity | I don't follow the product line closely |
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| 03:01.03 | abrotman | r300.sf.net |
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| 03:01.07 | Amarande | The latest supported yet is the X850. |
| 03:01.18 | abrotman | FliesLikeADesk: you ever flyLikeABird ? |
| 03:01.27 | _joey_ | abrotman: 0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 11) |
| 03:01.27 | _joey_ | 0000:00:1f.4 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 11) |
| 03:01.27 | _joey_ | brb |
| 03:01.28 | Gnea | abrotman: http://tinyurl.com/c7gj5 what? |
| 03:01.31 | FliesLikeADesk | no abrotman i'm human :-/ |
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| 03:01.41 | rredd4_ | i just dl'd cd1 iso. i did md5 on the download, was ok. Now how can i check to see that the iso burn is ok. I have to drive to my gf's house to install this and she has dial up. I want to make sure that the cd is ok b 4 i leave here. |
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| 03:02.22 | b0ss | server /packeteast.kicks-ass.net:6667 |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | Gnea: afaict . it's ubuntu in spanish |
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| 03:02.49 | abrotman | stupid spammers |
| 03:03.24 | Gnea | abrotman: apparantly so |
| 03:03.30 | Amarande | Okay, failing that. |
| 03:03.30 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 03:03.31 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. Ubuntu doesn't have a strong security team like Debian does - http://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/eterm-exploit.c.html |
| 03:03.38 | rredd4_ | how cam i check that my iso burned ok? |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | i'm all for choice .. but that's a little too close to ubuntu for me |
| 03:03.45 | gravity | I don't think that last part is true |
| 03:03.53 | gravity | Ubuntu has very strong security team |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | rredd4_: md5? diff ? |
| 03:03.59 | gravity | s/very/a very/ |
| 03:04.12 | rredd4_ | abrotman: md5 ok |
| 03:04.13 | Amarande | Any way to make the vertical refresh at least go above 60 with vesa before I end up needing glasses? :) |
| 03:04.19 | gravity | It's fine to say they're not Debian, but to bash them for security is crap |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | rredd4_: or just try to read the contents ? |
| 03:04.31 | Amarande | Monitor supports it, and I don't see why the vesa driver shouldn't support it either. |
| 03:04.44 | Amarande | Unless there's something I need to put in xorg.conf that drxx won't do. |
| 03:04.47 | gravity | Amarande: vesa is a very limited standard. If you put your Xorg.0.log up I could look ad be sure... |
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| 03:04.59 | gravity | Amarande: It may not be vesa, it may just be your config. |
| 03:05.02 | rredd4_ | abrotman: i know that there is a way to check the integrity of the cd with install. but i have debian already installed. |
| 03:05.06 | rredd4_ | here at least |
| 03:05.08 | gravity | But I'm getting sick of asking for that log so that's the last time |
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| 03:05.25 | abrotman | wtf did that mark shuttleworth URL go |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | ~ubuntu |
| 03:05.50 | apt | rumour has it, ubuntu is has a lot of users because the lot of pornography: http://htmldesign.dk/mostwanted/img/Ubuntu_Josie_1_ed3_800.png http://www.theonelab.com/files/images/thumbnails/ubuntu-startup.jpg http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg http://www.madebylane.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-babe.png Woooha ! Im go to ubuntu ! :D~~ |
| 03:05.50 | JMTeal | where is the conf file to set a static IP with DHCP? |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | that's just freaking great |
| 03:06.13 | e2e | JMTeal: static IP with DHCP? |
| 03:06.14 | gravity | Yeah, apt isn't getting the updates anymore |
| 03:06.21 | JMTeal | yeah something like that... |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | gravity: it didn't used to say that |
| 03:06.49 | soulstompp | I have a debian server on a VPS that charges me for reboots so I am hoping that someone can help me with a minimal number of reboot tests |
| 03:06.58 | JMTeal | i changed some conf file the other day and i can't remember where it was... i need to put in a DNS line cause i can't get to the net from my deb box now.. |
| 03:07.05 | gravity | Man, the ati driver is big |
| 03:07.20 | Amarande | gravity: http://www.lunasanguine.com/stuff/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:07.29 | Gnea | !meta distro |
| 03:07.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, meta distro is not Knoppix, but not Debian either. Meta Distributions are Spanish-based sub-distributions of Ubuntu (see !ubuntu), which is Debian-based, and are thus not Debian and are further NOT supported here. Please see !es and read carefully http://soleup.eup.uva.es/mario/post/1/265 (english version: http://tinyurl.com/agyu2) |
| 03:07.30 | soulstompp | The server freezes up on "Setting Up General Console Font" |
| 03:07.41 | e2e | JMTeal: Do you want to set up static ip for your debian? |
| 03:07.55 | soulstompp | while booting, has anyone run into this problem? |
| 03:08.14 | JMTeal | e2e yeah.. i got that part... my servers are online, but i can't ftp or anything... pretty sure it's a dns problem... |
| 03:09.02 | e2e | JMTeal: For DNS add your dns adresses to /etc/resolv.conf, |
| 03:09.32 | e2e | JMTeal: Set up your eth to use static ip change /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:09.39 | JMTeal | e2e once i edit that, will it read that conf file automatically or do i need to restart anything? |
| 03:09.42 | abrotman | thingfish: run! |
| 03:09.52 | thingfish | abrotman: uh oh - why? |
| 03:09.57 | e2e | JMTeal: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 03:10.24 | JMTeal | thanks... i'll give it a try... |
| 03:10.42 | abrotman | thingfish: to protect your sanity |
| 03:10.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:10.48 | thingfish | too late. |
| 03:10.58 | Amarande | I actually see it trying to use 85Hz, but I don't know why it doesn't manage to. |
| 03:10.58 | gravity | Man, the vesa driver does spew out a lot of junk |
| 03:10.58 | erondon | e2e is there a way to purge all apps on "rc"? like in one command |
| 03:11.07 | Amarande | Now that I think of it, I don't think xfree86 did 85Hz, either. |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | erondon: yes |
| 03:11.23 | Amarande | Are there any alternative configuration tools for xorg the way there were for xfree86? |
| 03:11.36 | Amarande | I remember there were a bunch of config helpers besides just the dpkg reconfigure back in the old old days. |
| 03:11.39 | gravity | Amarande: You should be able to use 75hz |
| 03:11.52 | erondon | abrotman can you tell me how? |
| 03:11.59 | Amarande | gravity: how do I get it to do it, though? |
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| 03:12.24 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 03:12.24 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:12.31 | quitte | hi gilles |
| 03:12.32 | Amarande | y'know |
| 03:12.38 | abrotman | dpkg -l | egrep "^rc" | xargs dpkg -P |
| 03:12.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching | egrep "^rc" | xargs dpkg -P |
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| 03:12.48 | Amarande | I have a feeling that even buying a new X800 or nvidia card might be cheaper than glasses :/ |
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| 03:13.05 | gravity | Amarande: /me keeps poking around |
| 03:13.10 | gilles | not even knoppix boot on my sony vgn-s5m laptop |
| 03:13.16 | gravity | I'll figure it out, I'm not so good with modeline stuff yet |
| 03:13.21 | gilles | hi quitte! |
| 03:13.28 | Shadowcat | gilles: yes that's normal |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | let's send gravity to mexico! |
| 03:13.38 | Shadowcat | don't buy a vaio if you want to run linux on it |
| 03:13.43 | Shadowcat | first bloody rule of computing |
| 03:13.49 | Shadowcat | damned WinLaptops |
| 03:13.50 | gilles | quitte: I haven't seen you for a long time... |
| 03:14.06 | Shadowcat | actually anything Sony should have a "Designed Exclusively for Microsoft" logo on it |
| 03:14.16 | kaleid | what laptop do you recommend Shadowcat? |
| 03:14.17 | gilles | Shadowcat: i didn't know that... |
| 03:14.26 | JMTeal | e2e resolv.conf should already exist? because it doesn't... |
| 03:14.30 | quitte | gilles true. seems im getting my sleep at slightly other times than you do |
| 03:14.31 | Shadowcat | gilles: well now you do |
| 03:14.40 | gravity | Amarande: run xrandr and let me know if it gives you an alternate refresh rate |
| 03:14.50 | gilles | Shadowcat: that's to bad... I hope I can have my money back then... |
| 03:14.58 | gravity | Amarande: It'll be on the right hand column |
| 03:15.04 | e2e | JMTeal: Just create yourself... echo "nameserver dns_ip" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:15.09 | Amarande | All the columns say 85. |
| 03:15.20 | quitte | gilles thats basically what you said about your wlan card when we first met iirc :D |
| 03:15.22 | gravity | You need it to be less? |
| 03:15.26 | Amarande | Well, actually 85 for 1024x768 and 86 for lower ones. |
| 03:15.31 | Amarande | 85 would be nice. |
| 03:15.35 | gravity | Which one is set? |
| 03:15.43 | Amarande | xrandr says 85 is set |
| 03:15.47 | Amarande | but the monitor says it's at 59.9 |
| 03:15.51 | gravity | hrm... that's odd |
| 03:15.53 | gilles | quitte: yes, right :) |
| 03:15.58 | gravity | That's why your log is confusing |
| 03:16.10 | gilles | quitte: you've a good memory! |
| 03:16.16 | gravity | It sounds like your ati card doesn't play well with the vesa standard or something... hrm |
| 03:16.28 | gravity | Amarande: You may do well to ask in #xorg |
| 03:16.35 | Amarande | gravity: Wouldn't be surprised if that's why Windows kept freezing before I could install its drivers, too. |
| 03:16.38 | Amarande | Now that I think of it. |
| 03:16.39 | gravity | ouch |
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| 03:16.43 | gravity | Yeah, maybe |
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| 03:17.23 | benjamindees | Amarande, do you have a tv attached by chance? |
| 03:17.45 | gilles | Shadowcat: do you think I should still try to make it work ? |
| 03:17.47 | Amarande | benjamindees: it's a ViewSonic PT813 21" CRT monitor. |
| 03:17.56 | quitte | gilles: http://biomech.iet.unipi.it/Members/raphael/vaio/vaio_s5m_config |
| 03:18.06 | Amarande | for some reason CRTs at 60 are painful on the eyes. |
| 03:18.39 | gravity | Ah |
| 03:18.44 | \amethyst | it's either in sync with the lights, or producing a 10hz beat with the lights |
| 03:19.00 | \amethyst | depending on whether you're in the US or elsewhere |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | or you have really crappy wiring :) |
| 03:19.03 | Shadowcat | Amarande: I haven't used a CRT in years |
| 03:19.04 | gilles | quitte: yes, I have seen that, but I don't understand how he reach that point... the only cd I can run is the gentoo livecd |
| 03:19.09 | JMTeal | e2e and to restart networking? |
| 03:19.15 | JMTeal | i forgot.. |
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| 03:19.35 | soulstompp | my problem looks like it has to do with console tools |
| 03:19.37 | e2e | JMTeal: You don't need to restart for that... |
| 03:19.43 | Shadowcat | gilles: yes I know that |
| 03:19.53 | quitte | gilles tried the debian ethc installer? |
| 03:19.57 | Shadowcat | gilles: and if you want to install Linux on there, you're gonna have to do a stage1 |
| 03:20.10 | JMTeal | cool thanks |
| 03:20.15 | gilles | Shadowcat: a stage 1 ? |
| 03:20.16 | Shadowcat | quitte: it won't run |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | are we doing gentoo support ? |
| 03:20.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:20.26 | Shadowcat | abrotman: no not really |
| 03:20.30 | benjamindees | what's a good channel for doing fun stuff with VCD disks? |
| 03:20.34 | Shadowcat | but gilles here has a WinLaptop |
| 03:20.34 | quitte | Shadowcat: why? |
| 03:20.38 | Amarande | also, I just tried installing gvidm and seeing if I can change it with that |
| 03:20.40 | gilles | quitte: what is ethc installer ? |
| 03:20.46 | quitte | gilles: etch |
| 03:20.46 | Shadowcat | quitte: because Sony laptops are a pain in the ass |
| 03:20.47 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 03:20.47 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 03:20.49 | Shadowcat | end of story |
| 03:21.01 | Amarande | and all the Hz's there show as 0 |
| 03:21.05 | JMTeal | yeah that fixed my problem... any ideas how that file could have just disappeared? |
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| 03:21.09 | Shadowcat | aka DON'T BUY ONE |
| 03:21.15 | Shadowcat | they don't run linux well at all |
| 03:21.20 | Shadowcat | if at all |
| 03:21.21 | quitte | Shadowcat: seems 2.6.12 works. and that guy that made thw webpage seems to have gotten all parts of it working |
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| 03:21.42 | Shadowcat | quitte: yes you can get linux on them if you do a darn Linux From Scratch |
| 03:21.49 | Shadowcat | that's about the only way it'll work |
| 03:22.06 | quitte | Shadowcat: why? |
| 03:22.15 | Shadowcat | go ask Sony |
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| 03:22.21 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 03:22.30 | gilles | someone on kubuntu looks like having it working on the same computer as me |
| 03:22.39 | robin_sz | coo .... this laptop is now debified :) |
| 03:22.45 | Shadowcat | one in a million sample |
| 03:22.58 | Shadowcat | generally speaking, if you want linux on a laptop, don't bloody buy sony |
| 03:23.09 | robin_sz | I bought Dell |
| 03:23.15 | Shadowcat | or you'll end up like gilles, ripping out his hair |
| 03:23.22 | quitte | Shadowcat: did you buy a sony? or maybe even two? |
| 03:23.28 | gilles | Shadowcat: true... |
| 03:23.34 | Shadowcat | quitte: no I have an Acer |
| 03:23.44 | quitte | Shadowcat: you still sound like not having any hair |
| 03:23.44 | robin_sz | wireless networking is still screwed, but apart from that .... |
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| 03:23.58 | Shadowcat | but I've "supported" enough sony boxes to know they're nothing but trouble |
| 03:24.01 | kaleid | what about a Dell? |
| 03:24.19 | Shadowcat | kaleid: I'm not here to do your laptop shopping for you |
| 03:24.33 | kaleid | oh sorry! |
| 03:24.47 | robin_sz | hmmm and it didnt go to sleep when I shut the lid ... |
| 03:24.57 | \amethyst | kaleid: the web is your friend here |
| 03:25.03 | kaleid | yeah |
| 03:25.07 | thingfish | people seems to say that thinkpads are good linux-compatible laptops. |
| 03:25.13 | kaleid | but I wanrt to run sarge on it |
| 03:25.21 | robin_sz | ok, bedtime ... play with this install more tomorow |
| 03:25.22 | Shadowcat | thingfish: I want my "winkey" though |
| 03:25.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:25.33 | Shadowcat | even though I'm not using Windows per se, I link that key to a lot of things |
| 03:25.40 | robin_sz | liable, thansk for the 2.6 kernel tip thing .. worked ... |
| 03:26.17 | \amethyst | kaleid: If you search for debian sarge laptop compatibility you will find some stuff |
| 03:26.31 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 03:26.43 | Shadowcat | most people running debian on laptops WILL NOT BE RUNNING SARGE |
| 03:26.45 | gilles | I'll try to have my money back tomorrow |
| 03:26.54 | \amethyst | kaleid wants to :) |
| 03:27.06 | Shadowcat | well he's stupid |
| 03:27.06 | gilles | today i mean |
| 03:27.13 | kaleid | ok! thanks \amethyst!!! |
| 03:27.13 | Shadowcat | to say the least |
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| 03:27.19 | Red_Cloud | chealer I am now upgrading my set of ebian |
| 03:27.24 | Shadowcat | the packages in Sarge are just too old for most present day laptops |
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| 03:27.52 | Red_Cloud | CDs to the testing version |
| 03:28.01 | \amethyst | Then it's an opportunity to learn about backports :) |
| 03:28.05 | Froo | Anyone doing anything? |
| 03:28.16 | kaleid | I don't need the last technology |
| 03:28.30 | kaleid | i'm a newbie :) |
| 03:28.40 | Red_Cloud | This is much easier than I thought. Either that, or I am totally destroying my package information |
| 03:29.47 | gilles | I will try to exchange my sony for an "Asus M5AE-6018H-A", does it seem to be a good idea ? |
| 03:30.17 | ccg | etch install went fine on my ibm notebook yesterday |
| 03:30.28 | Coweater | gilles: do some research, see what people have gotten working |
| 03:30.56 | Amarande | heck, the packages in Sarge are just too old for most present day desktops, too |
| 03:31.08 | Amarande | e.g., my e1000 issues |
| 03:31.13 | Shadowcat | Amarande: well, ya |
| 03:31.29 | kaleid | but they are very stable |
| 03:31.29 | Amarande | hrm |
| 03:31.38 | Amarande | I have a feeling I may want to rid myself of this video card. |
| 03:31.47 | Amarande | What do you want to drop? [ati- or ?] ati |
| 03:31.50 | kaleid | since U've unstalled sarge I haven't got any problem of crash |
| 03:31.51 | Amarande | You can't. It seems to be cursed. |
| 03:31.53 | Amarande | Hmm :/ |
| 03:32.01 | kaleid | (sorry for mu english) |
| 03:32.08 | Shadowcat | !u¨ |
| 03:32.11 | Shadowcat | !u |
| 03:32.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:32.36 | j_k_ | actually that was a mistyped I :-) |
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| 03:33.13 | kaleid | yeah |
| 03:33.19 | kaleid | eraser key :S |
| 03:33.23 | kaleid | erased* |
| 03:33.46 | JMTeal | i just unpacked apache... i have a user acct that i want to use the home folder as the default web page... is this huge setup procedure or just a few lines in a conf file? any help? |
| 03:33.53 | JMTeal | apache2... |
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| 03:34.24 | j_k_ | JMTeal: maybe just 'ls -s . public_html' and activate that function/ |
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| 03:35.18 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 03:35.21 | j_k_ | JMTeal: ah, as the default web page for the whole server? do you still want the content of /var/www to be accessible ? |
| 03:35.23 | Amarande | Someone just told me something interesting. |
| 03:35.32 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 03:35.41 | Amarande | Is it actually possible to override the autodetect and force xorg to treat the video card as a specific chip? |
| 03:35.51 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 03:35.59 | Shadowcat | you can write the xorg.conf file yourself if you so wish |
| 03:36.03 | JMTeal | jk nah... i got all the content in a user acct |
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| 03:36.12 | Shadowcat | but there are VERY FEW people on the planet who know how to write one from scratch |
| 03:36.14 | Amarande | He said he managed to convince xorg that his X800XL was a regular X800, for instance. |
| 03:36.25 | JMTeal | so my dad can ftp his site up easily... |
| 03:36.32 | Shadowcat | Amarande: yes that's entirely possible |
| 03:36.45 | JMTeal | seems like it should be easy... |
| 03:36.56 | Shadowcat | whether YOU can pull it off though is another matter |
| 03:37.14 | Amarande | yeah, especially since I'm far too out of the loop |
| 03:37.17 | derek_ | what is the linux equivalent to expose for os x? |
| 03:37.19 | Amarande | and GUI was never my forte |
| 03:37.23 | j_k_ | JMTeal: then you can either change your 'DocumentRoot' in the config or symlink /var/www to this location. (i'm not sure the second one works with apache.) |
| 03:38.18 | JMTeal | well i changed that... |
| 03:38.25 | JMTeal | still getting the apache default |
| 03:38.29 | Amarande | hmm, apparently you just need to put in the ChipID parameter. |
| 03:38.32 | JMTeal | how do i reset the serer |
| 03:38.37 | j_k_ | JMTeal: did you restart the server ? |
| 03:38.38 | JMTeal | server |
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| 03:38.38 | Amarande | though exactly what the parameters for this are, I'm not sure. |
| 03:38.48 | j_k_ | JMTeal: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 03:39.57 | JMTeal | jk nah that didn't get it. |
| 03:40.08 | JMTeal | do i need to specify the index.htm? |
| 03:40.18 | JMTeal | or should it be html? |
| 03:40.23 | Thaiger | I have a netgear MA401 802.11 card so I used module-assistant to get the linux-wlan-ng drivers, they installed ok but when I try to load them it says loop detected in p80211.ko which needs p80211.ko again and then it ignores all the wireless modules |
| 03:40.25 | j_k_ | JMTeal: what happens ? |
| 03:40.30 | JMTeal | default page |
| 03:40.39 | JMTeal | goto: jmteal.gotdns.org |
| 03:40.52 | j_k_ | JMTeal: did the command work ? |
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| 03:41.26 | j_k_ | JMTeal: (i'm not sure wether it's 'apache2' or 'apache', usually it's the name of the associated debian package) |
| 03:41.41 | fpop | Hi, using chroot on macromedia flash server, what is wrong on this line :? |
| 03:41.45 | JMTeal | yeah it restarted |
| 03:41.49 | fpop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.49 | fpop | chroot: cannot run command `/opt/macromedia/fcs/server': No such file or directory |
| 03:41.53 | fpop | any idea? |
| 03:42.09 | fpop | the /opt/macromedia/fcs/server exists |
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| 03:42.28 | quitte | fpop: it has to be inside /chroot/httpd/ |
| 03:42.33 | fpop | yes |
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| 03:43.22 | fpop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.22 | fpop | -rwxr-xr-x 1 500 500 1507 Apr 29 2004 /chroot/httpd/opt/macromedia/fcs/server |
| 03:43.23 | _joey_ | abrotman could you please tell me if this controller supports usb 2.0 |
| 03:43.29 | _joey_ | USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB |
| 03:43.30 | j_k_ | JMTeal: I think apache looks for index.html, but you would get a 404 error if is was the problem. |
| 03:43.47 | j_k_ | JMTeal: not the default page from /var/www |
| 03:43.51 | fpop | quitte it's ok? |
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| 03:43.56 | abrotman | _joey_: i'm not certain .. but as i showed you .. mine says usb2 .. and yours is kind of old |
| 03:43.57 | _joey_ | abrotman: USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 11) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) |
| 03:44.10 | JMTeal | i changed it to html... |
| 03:44.14 | JMTeal | still no good |
| 03:44.15 | Amarande | 0000:05:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 71e2 |
| 03:44.20 | Amarande | Is the 71e2 the ChipID number? |
| 03:44.24 | dondelelcaro | _joey_: iirc, that controller predates USB 2 |
| 03:44.41 | abrotman | it's from a PIII board |
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| 03:45.40 | JMTeal | maybe file permissions? |
| 03:45.58 | fpop | to me? |
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| 03:46.58 | j_k_ | JMTeal: the server would report about such problems, but if I understood correctly, it still shows you the page from /var/www, right? |
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| 03:47.19 | grandma | "Use kernel framebuffer device interface?" what/where is this changing? |
| 03:47.25 | JMTeal | yeah... the default out-of-the-box page... |
| 03:47.54 | j_k_ | JMTeal: there must still be /var/www somewhere in you configuration |
| 03:48.13 | SperMite | when i run glxgears when i fisrt log into my box, i get great fps, but after 5-10 of being loged i start getting 5.234 fps whats going on here? |
| 03:48.29 | j_k_ | JMTeal: be careful, there are multiple declarations for different locations (ie. /doc points to /usr/share/doc), get the good one. |
| 03:49.03 | grandma | SperMite what is "great fps" and what video card? |
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| 03:49.15 | JMTeal | i scanned thru the apach2.conf.. |
| 03:49.29 | gravity | SperMite: What drivers are you running? |
| 03:49.42 | JMTeal | should i point it at the index.html or just the dir? |
| 03:50.04 | j_k_ | JMTeal: only the directory, apache should find index.html by itself. |
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| 03:50.12 | SperMite | grandma well not to great but i get 2798fps, and i have a FX5600 |
| 03:50.33 | grandma | are you using xcomposite? |
| 03:50.36 | j_k_ | JMTeal: also make sure there's no caching on your browser's side going on. |
| 03:50.53 | JMTeal | k |
| 03:50.59 | j_k_ | JMTeal: and make sure you reload the configuration every time you change it. |
| 03:50.59 | SperMite | gravity how do i check which ones im running> |
| 03:51.05 | gravity | ... |
| 03:51.15 | gravity | SperMite: Did you install the nvidia binary drivers? |
| 03:51.25 | SperMite | gravity np |
| 03:51.27 | SperMite | no |
| 03:51.56 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:52.07 | gravity | SperMite: You shouldn't get any 3d acceleration on your nvidia card without those |
| 03:52.17 | Amarande | unfortunately, I lack another PCI-E card to test with |
| 03:52.39 | Amarande | I have a feeling I'm going to be putting some of my AmEx balance on flex pay again this month. :/ |
| 03:52.48 | Amarande | And I still have about $1000 in the flex pay that I've not got around to paying off. :/ |
| 03:52.59 | gravity | Amarande: Why not just get an older card that you know works? |
| 03:53.00 | gravity | For cheap |
| 03:53.19 | Amarande | gravity: because the only other video cards I have are AGP |
| 03:53.32 | thingfish | do they put agp and pci-e slots on the same motherboard? |
| 03:53.35 | gravity | Amarande: Do you not have AGP in your motherboard? |
| 03:53.41 | Amarande | this is a PCI-E board |
| 03:53.45 | Amarande | PCI-E boards do not have AGP |
| 03:53.47 | gravity | Ok |
| 03:54.01 | JMTeal | no luck |
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| 03:56.17 | Amarande | To tell the truth, I didn't plan to get this hardcore into Linux until after Windows puked its guts after my last set of upgrades the other day. |
| 03:56.30 | Shadowcat | n00b :P |
| 03:56.47 | gravity | Linux doesn't tend to do well on the cutting edge stuff. It takes time to reverse engineer drivers and such |
| 03:56.54 | gravity | Although that's changed somewhat over the past few years |
| 03:57.06 | dn4 | gravity, very very true! |
| 03:57.12 | dn4 | viva la linux! |
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| 03:58.02 | JMTeal | jk any other ideas? |
| 03:58.02 | Dwonis | dn4: Linux is feminine? |
| 03:58.21 | thingfish | if it were feminine, it would be Linuxe. |
| 03:58.29 | thingfish | ;) |
| 03:58.56 | Dwonis | I was referring to "la", but maybe I'm getting languages confused |
| 03:58.59 | JMTeal | i could move the files to var/www right? |
| 03:59.05 | thingfish | well yeah |
| 03:59.20 | JMTeal | and change the users home dir to /var/www.... is that a dangerous move? |
| 03:59.32 | j_k_ | JMTeal: sure, or symlink /var/www to them. |
| 03:59.34 | Dwonis | dn4: heh |
| 04:00.03 | JMTeal | ok... i just started using linux like last week.. how do i set up a symbolic link? |
| 04:00.14 | dn4 | Yesterday I came up with a philosphical proof for heaven to exist through how Java programming works. |
| 04:00.25 | Flimzy | JMTeal, man ln |
| 04:00.51 | Flimzy | dn4: Must be the "Hell exists, therefore heaven must also exist" argument, eh? |
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| 04:01.03 | j_k_ | JMTeal: use the 'ln' command. You'll have to remove your current /var/www first, make sure you don have anything precious in there and use 'rm' |
| 04:01.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 04:01.25 | j_k_ | JMTeal: see the manpages with 'man ln' and 'man rm' to know the details |
| 04:01.36 | JMTeal | ok... |
| 04:02.22 | j_k_ | JMTeal: and remember to be careful with rm, you can easily shoot yourself in the foot :-) |
| 04:03.21 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 04:03.36 | Amarande | this is going to ache in the wallet for weeks |
| 04:03.38 | Amarande | but |
| 04:03.39 | JMTeal | should i save all these files in var/www/apahe2-default/? |
| 04:03.45 | Amarande | I need to cover the bases |
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| 04:03.52 | justin | JMTeal: mv /var/www /var/www.old |
| 04:03.53 | Amarande | and as I have no luck with Windows with this card either ... |
| 04:03.58 | Amarande | I think the X1600 may simply be cursed. |
| 04:04.26 | gnufan | Is the totem playlist bug in sid affecting everyone? Triggered - add one file to playlist, then it crashes on adding another, amongst other symptoms..... |
| 04:04.28 | gravity | Amarande: Have you looked around for people looking to support that card in Linux? |
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| 04:04.38 | thingfish | nvidias are nearly curse-free. |
| 04:04.42 | j_k_ | JMTeal: you can rename /var/www to /var/www.orig instead of removing it. |
| 04:05.14 | j_k_ | JMTeal: that would be cautious |
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| 04:05.45 | Amarande | maybe I should wield Magicbane when buying this card, too |
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| 04:06.31 | j_k_ | JMTeal: also if you only have static files to serve you may want to use somethang simpler than apache |
| 04:06.55 | JMTeal | such as? |
| 04:07.07 | j_k_ | JMTeal: I use boa, but there are many. |
| 04:07.16 | JMTeal | i just moved everything to /var/www/ ... |
| 04:07.21 | JMTeal | no luck |
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| 04:08.04 | j_k_ | JMTeal: I'd try another web server |
| 04:08.08 | JMTeal | it keeps trying to go to /var/www/apache-default |
| 04:08.45 | j_k_ | JMTeal: do you have any dynamic content? |
| 04:09.06 | JMTeal | nope |
| 04:09.09 | Dwonis | thingfish: except for the drivers |
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| 04:10.45 | JMTeal | so i should try boa? |
| 04:11.10 | j_k_ | JMTeal: yes, I think it'll just work. |
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| 04:13.35 | dn4 | Flimzy, no, heaven and hell exist, the human existance is like a reference point to either, or maybe neither. From there if they are neither they go to the garbage colleector aka God who keeps the memory of the objects until the programmer makes a new reference point to them. |
| 04:15.21 | dn4 | actually the human existance is a whole new reference point all together. |
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| 04:16.21 | Flimzy | dn4: I think I suggest you stick to programming, and leave theology to others :P |
| 04:16.41 | mreams13 | How do I mount a filesystem so that a user can read/write it (I want to use some options like "rw,umask=022,uid=2000), but it doesn't work. Please help. |
| 04:16.50 | Dwonis | dn4: It only looks that way because the FSM made it so. |
| 04:17.00 | Flimzy | mreams13: man mount; man fstab |
| 04:17.06 | dn4 | Dwonis, FSM? |
| 04:17.17 | dn4 | you talking about the file syste management? |
| 04:17.18 | Dwonis | oddly enough, "FSM" could equally mean Finite State Machine |
| 04:17.26 | Dwonis | dn4: Flying Spaghetti Monster |
| 04:17.27 | Amarande | hopefully my eyes hold out long enough to make this newegg order |
| 04:17.28 | Amarande | only thing is |
| 04:17.36 | Amarande | what the bloody hell am I going to do with this X1600 card? |
| 04:17.37 | dn4 | Dwonis, excellent reference point :) |
| 04:17.46 | gravity | You could always just try and debug the driver... |
| 04:18.32 | dn4 | Does anyone know of a good PCI wireless card that lets me detach the antenna so I can add my own super antenna with 1400 mile range? |
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| 04:18.58 | Flimzy | dn4: 1400 miles, eh? I hope you're not in the U.S.... unless you like huge FCC fines |
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| 04:19.43 | Flimzy | NTM, 802.11* doesn't work over more than something like 30 miles, due to latency |
| 04:19.48 | Amarande | How well does a GeForce 6600 work with X? |
| 04:20.02 | JMTeal | you were right... |
| 04:20.05 | Flimzy | Amarande: I have my 6200 TC working fine... but don't ever buy that card. |
| 04:20.07 | JMTeal | boa just worked |
| 04:20.13 | Amarande | 6600 is bad? |
| 04:20.13 | JMTeal | and it's super lite |
| 04:20.18 | JMTeal | :) |
| 04:20.20 | JMTeal | thanks! |
| 04:20.32 | Amarande | I thought nvidia was supposed to be good with Linux. |
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| 04:20.39 | Flimzy | Amarande: My 6200 non-TC (not sure what it is) doesn't work right... not sure if its' a buggy card or buggy drivers. I've never had trouble with my other nvidia cards, tho. |
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| 04:20.41 | j_k_ | JMTeal: heh, you need to adapt the complexity of your httpd to that of the situation :-) |
| 04:20.48 | Flimzy | Amarande: But haven't used a 6600... but it *should* work great |
| 04:21.07 | gnufan | Flimzy: Thats what you think ;) Actually I think the most we put in a single hope was about 14 miles.... but we built a rather large mesh... the Intel WAPs let you tweak things related to the gaps between packets etc... |
| 04:21.08 | JMTeal | yeah... i have a tendency to go way to far |
| 04:21.16 | JMTeal | thanks a bunch |
| 04:21.23 | Flimzy | gnufan: 14 miles should be fine. |
| 04:21.30 | _joey_ | could someone recommend pci card that provides usb 2.0 controllers ? |
| 04:21.34 | _joey_ | for linux |
| 04:21.42 | Flimzy | gnufan: The most I've done w/ wireless was 15 miles, but that was pre-802.11 wireless |
| 04:21.57 | floundering | I want to record an audio cd of my daughters schoolwork to mail in to her teacher, she is recording on an mp3 player in a wav format at about 11000 mono instead of 44100. stereo. last burn ran so fast the whole thing was over in 20 seconds. |
| 04:22.29 | Flimzy | gnufan: But what I've heard is that > 20-30 miles, the latency is too great for 802.11 to work. That's not to say other wireless protocols wouldn't work (or even perhaps tweaked-beyond-spec 802.11) |
| 04:22.47 | Flimzy | floundering: man sox |
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| 04:23.05 | amarande_ | hmm |
| 04:23.12 | gnufan | Flimzy: The Intel waps were amazing, they shipped with a zillion zillion options, I think basically everything ever ordered by an Intel customer buying the same chipset was in the software, but they dropped them - presumably channel conflict in a marketing sense.. |
| 04:23.12 | Flimzy | floundering: You'll need to convert it to 44.1khz, and probably to stereo |
| 04:23.13 | amarande_ | I just had a full system lockup. |
| 04:23.18 | amarande_ | I thought that wasn't supposed to happen with X. |
| 04:24.07 | Flimzy | amarande_: It's not supposed to happen with X. Or anything. |
| 04:24.17 | Flimzy | amarande_: When is a lockup ever *supposed* to happen? |
| 04:24.22 | JMTeal | does boa support frontpage extensions? |
| 04:24.34 | gravity | hahahahahaha |
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| 04:24.38 | gravity | frontpage extensions |
| 04:24.38 | Flimzy | JMTeal: boa is an extremely light-weight httpd. |
| 04:24.46 | Flimzy | JMTeal: FPE's are bloat ware for idiots. |
| 04:24.50 | Flimzy | JMTeal: You do the math. |
| 04:24.53 | amarande_ | yah, I think this video card is bad |
| 04:24.54 | JMTeal | yeah... hey i didn't write the pages ok.. |
| 04:24.58 | amarande_ | thoguh whether it's actually damaged hardware |
| 04:24.59 | floundering | Flimzy:: did that with sox and got a very fast file |
| 04:25.06 | Flimzy | floundering: Then you did it wrong |
| 04:25.10 | amarande_ | or whether it's just not playing well with the software, I have not the slightest clue |
| 04:25.14 | Flimzy | floundering: read the man page. |
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| 04:25.35 | Flimzy | amarande_: what card? |
| 04:25.46 | Amarande | Flimzy: Sapphire Radeon X1600 Pro |
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| 04:26.02 | Amarande | The system was up for quite some time before it locked, too. |
| 04:26.10 | Amarande | I wonder if the card may be overheating, but I'm not entirely sure how to test that. |
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| 04:26.13 | Flimzy | Amarande: Hmm... I have no experience with Radeon's, except the one I disabled b/c I know ATI sucks ass |
| 04:26.22 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hi, anybody has idea why "alsactl store" doesn't really stores the config until next boot? (at each boot I have to keep running "alsaconf", "alsamixer" and then "alsactl store", and it's a pain :/) |
| 04:26.33 | Flimzy | Amarande: is the GPU hot to the touch? |
| 04:26.55 | Amarande | Flimzy: Hmm. |
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| 04:28.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 04:28.42 | El|V\oNKo | hey guys how do i get my USB drive to work |
| 04:28.51 | x-[Kaiser]-x | mounting it? |
| 04:29.04 | Flimzy | El|V\oNKo, Normally, you would mount it. |
| 04:29.40 | kaleid | hey |
| 04:29.42 | Flimzy | El|V\oNKo: You might have better luck asking a specific question... like tell us where you're having trouble. |
| 04:29.55 | kaleid | how can I make to uninstall a lenguaje? |
| 04:30.01 | kaleid | lenguage* |
| 04:30.09 | x-[Kaiser]-x | *language :P |
| 04:30.19 | Flimzy | dpkg-reconfigure locales might do what you want |
| 04:30.26 | dn4 | well is there a pci card that can allow for an antenna upgrade? |
| 04:30.36 | kaleid | thanxs Flimzy!!! |
| 04:30.44 | Flimzy | dn4: Probably. |
| 04:30.54 | JMTeal | ok i'm trying to link /var/www/ to a user dir... says hard link not allowed for directory ... any way around this? |
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| 04:30.58 | Flimzy | dn4: But you probably won't get a good answer here. Try google. |
| 04:30.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:31.07 | Amarande | I read something that there was a USB timing issue in 2.6 before 2.6.13 |
| 04:31.11 | Flimzy | dn4: Or a hardware store/web site |
| 04:31.13 | Amarande | that sometimes kept things from being detected |
| 04:31.16 | Amarande | not sure if it's true though |
| 04:31.27 | Flimzy | Amarande: that's very possible. Altho I never had an issue with that. |
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| 04:31.57 | Azar | someone managed to connect to port 68 "bootps" on my box... |
| 04:31.57 | Amarande | I know my box often has trouble detecting the mouse if it's in usb |
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| 04:32.15 | Amarande | XP base couldn't find it at all, XP SP2 finds it fine, Linux 2.6.12 is iffy on it |
| 04:32.31 | dn4 | Flimzy, yeah, do you know how to program an application that popps up on people's computers that see a wireles site? |
| 04:32.34 | Shadowcat | Amarande: n00b :P |
| 04:33.03 | Flimzy | dn4: Uhh... I'm not sure what you mean. But I'm sure the answer to your question is no. |
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| 04:33.28 | dn4 | you are probably right since I asked if YOU knew how. |
| 04:33.31 | gnufan | Weird - why does "ps -ef" show numeric id "107" for dbus, when "messagebus" exists in the password file? |
| 04:33.36 | thingfish | you know, jerks have a way of getting banned. |
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| 04:34.47 | Dwonis | Azar: uhn? |
| 04:34.57 | Amarande | The GPU seems kinda warm, but not burning hot. |
| 04:35.07 | thingfish | Amarande: warm is normal. |
| 04:35.27 | Azar | hmm only ESTABLISHED but I can't find it |
| 04:35.30 | Flimzy | Amarande: you could try running with the case opened for a while... perhaps set a fan to blow on your gpu, for a couple days to see if it makes a difference |
| 04:35.36 | Amarande | any way to tell if it's defective or if it's all cruddy drivers? |
| 04:35.38 | thingfish | and btw, it's generally not a good idea to go touching components in a booted computer. |
| 04:36.03 | thingfish | Amarande: you said it performs poorly also in windows? |
| 04:36.31 | Dwonis | Azar: have you tried lsof? |
| 04:36.44 | Flimzy | thingfish: If you know what you're doing, it can be perfectly safe. |
| 04:36.55 | JMTeal | thanks! |
| 04:37.02 | Flimzy | thingfish: I've removed and added certian components on booted computers countless times. |
| 04:37.19 | El|V\oNKo | i see it in dmsg but where is it logicaly? |
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| 04:37.49 | Flimzy | El|V\oNKo, what are you looking for? |
| 04:37.56 | thingfish | Flimzy: yes, but I'm just saying one should not carelessly go advising someone to touch live electrical components. |
| 04:37.59 | Dwonis | s/touches/touched |
| 04:38.01 | gnufan | Okay - ps - ignores usernames greater than 8 characters..... |
| 04:38.04 | Azar | Dwonis, it does not much, netstat is more clear |
| 04:38.07 | Amarande | thingfish, yes, it crashed all the time in Windows. |
| 04:38.12 | Amarande | Much, much worse than in Linux, even. |
| 04:38.20 | Amarande | This is actually the first time I've seen it hang the system in Linux. |
| 04:38.21 | Flimzy | thingfish: I advised him to see if the GPU was warm. I don't think that's careless advice. |
| 04:38.50 | El|V\oNKo | Flimzy, the path to my usb drive |
| 04:38.55 | Azar | Dwonis: I have seen in the auth.log the login attempts, then in netstat the ESTABLISHED connection from that guy |
| 04:38.58 | thingfish | Amarande: well, if it were me, I'd probably be tempted to try a new card. |
| 04:39.05 | El|V\oNKo | its in dmesg but i can nav to it |
| 04:39.06 | Amarande | I'd better order it now. |
| 04:39.12 | Flimzy | El|V\oNKo, probably /dev/sda, unless you have some other SCSI device(s) in your system |
| 04:39.15 | Amarande | If I order it now from Newegg, any chance it might get here by Tuesday? |
| 04:39.33 | Dwonis | Azar: ah yes, I guess if you use the -p option, you can get the process that holds a socket |
| 04:39.42 | Flimzy | Amarande: Perhaps. Ask them. They're the ones who know about their shipping policies. You'd have to order overnight shipping. |
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| 04:40.03 | Dwonis | Azar: What's actually running on that port? (port 67, I presume) |
| 04:40.32 | thingfish | Amarande: or you could go to a local store and have it more or less immediately. |
| 04:40.54 | Azar | port 68 I have no idea its listed to run bootpc |
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| 04:41.49 | El|V\oNKo | thats for booting off your nic or dhcp |
| 04:41.50 | Esin | Hello, when I do iwconfig wlan0 does not show up, I added 'alias wlan0 ndiswrapper' to /etc/modutils/aliases, and still nothing.. |
| 04:41.52 | Azar | bootstrap protocol client |
| 04:41.57 | El|V\oNKo | Azar, |
| 04:42.18 | Amarande | I'm not sure that would save much money even over overnight shipping, though, sadly. |
| 04:42.20 | lindenle | can anyone suggest a good usb bluetooth adaptor for debian |
| 04:42.24 | Amarande | This is Connecticut, where everything's overpriced. |
| 04:42.32 | Flimzy | Amarande: what are you ordering? |
| 04:42.34 | Amarande | Hell, even a 512MB SD card for my digicam is $60 at the local Circuit City. |
| 04:42.42 | Amarande | Flimzy: I need to get another video card. |
| 04:42.43 | El|V\oNKo | Flimzy, i have no scsi drives and that path does not exist |
| 04:42.45 | Azar | heck then the guy tries to boot from my box :) |
| 04:42.53 | Flimzy | Amarande: And you need it by tuesday? |
| 04:42.56 | Amarande | Like I said, I don't have another PCI-E card. |
| 04:43.01 | Amarande | Well, I'd prefer to get things up and running ASAP. |
| 04:43.06 | Flimzy | El|V\oNKo: Well check dmesg then. It should tell you where the drive is. |
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| 04:43.08 | Amarande | Eyestrain is not a good thing. |
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| 04:43.19 | Flimzy | Amarande: Well you'll probably have to pay for it then. |
| 04:43.20 | Esin | Any idea why there is no 'wlan0'? |
| 04:43.20 | Dwonis | Azar: My guess is that it's either a port scan, or you're running a DHCP server on a network where you shouldn't be |
| 04:43.27 | Amarande | And 60 Hz for extended periods is guaranteed eyestrain :/ |
| 04:43.44 | thingfish | it would be for me. |
| 04:43.50 | Azar | Dwonis, I am not running any kind of server and not using dhcp .. so thats why looks strange |
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| 04:44.23 | Esin | what? I used 1600x1200 @ 60hz @ 15" for a year, and I'm fine. *walks around blindly* |
| 04:44.32 | x-[Kaiser]-x | lol |
| 04:44.36 | Azar | I just had a guy from here in my pm, so I assume he was the one.. :) when I disconnected he said bye and left |
| 04:44.37 | El|V\oNKo | Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378384 |
| 04:44.49 | Dwonis | Azar: What's the output of "netstat -ntp" ? |
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| 04:44.51 | Amarande | besides, I would like to play some 3D games on Linux, such as the Linux version of Neverwinter Nights |
| 04:44.57 | Amarande | and that's not going to work with this video card |
| 04:45.06 | Amarande | I need to set this thing aside until the driver support arrives, it seems |
| 04:45.25 | michal_ | hi.. i was just arguing with someone about whether writing apps for linux was too hard due to the gpl and i figured you guyws would know the answer to this. he said that it's too much work writi apps for linux because you're forced to use the pl.. ie if you want the app to be threaded you need to use an gpl'd threading library as no viable non-gpl'd threading libraries are available |
| 04:45.43 | Amarande | And then I have the choice of either getting another card or ripping all my system's guts out to put back the old P4 mobo. |
| 04:46.02 | Amarande | Anyway. |
| 04:46.05 | Azar | gah I can't scroll up to review the netstat |
| 04:46.10 | Amarande | Are there any nVidia chipsets to similarly stay away from? |
| 04:46.17 | Amarande | Or are any of them okay? |
| 04:46.30 | Esin | Don't get nforce |
| 04:46.35 | thingfish | my somewhat oldish 5900 works like a champ. |
| 04:46.43 | El|V\oNKo | y not |
| 04:46.53 | El|V\oNKo | nForce is good to me |
| 04:47.00 | Dwonis | michal_: The guy is most likely talking out of his ass. Plenty of proprietary Linux software exists. |
| 04:47.08 | Esin | Heard they were the worst of all nvidias to get working |
| 04:47.37 | thingfish | nforce is a motherboard chipset, isn't it? |
| 04:47.45 | michal_ | dwonis: maybe.. but i can't find anything incorect in what he is saying.. he claims he has proved it by the mere fact that i can't disprove it |
| 04:47.53 | Esin | Anyways, I'm trying to setup ndiswrapper and that worked apparently, though, there is no 'wlan0' |
| 04:47.57 | michal_ | ie.. there are no threading libs that aren't gpl'd |
| 04:48.03 | Azar | Dwonis: : Jan 29 20:19:20 egeon sshd[8478]: Illegal user anonymous from ::ffff:194.184.175 |
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| 04:48.19 | Azar | this is the guy who got an Established at port 68 |
| 04:48.38 | gau | are nvidia binary drivers included in the nonfree section of unstable ? |
| 04:48.59 | Esin | :/ |
| 04:49.01 | Dwonis | Azar: If all you're seeing is an "ESTABLISHED" in netstat, I wouldn't be too worried. It's probably just a worm or something |
| 04:49.07 | Amarande | yeah, nForce is a motherboard chipset, not a video |
| 04:49.16 | Amarande | are there any GeForce chipsets to especially stay away from? |
| 04:49.17 | Azar | Dwonis: ah ok thanks |
| 04:49.36 | chealer_ | !tell gau about info nvidia-glx |
| 04:49.47 | michal_ | hmm. there should be a faq for countering all these anti-linux arguments but there's nothing that counters his arguments :/ |
| 04:49.55 | Esin | !tell Esin about info nvidia-glx |
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| 04:50.03 | gau | Amarande: nForce works well even with free drivers ... so i don't see why we should stay away from them .... if(AMD) then (nforce) ;) |
| 04:50.05 | jshriver_ | hi again :) |
| 04:50.15 | Dwonis | Azar: a port scan could probably cause what you're seeing, which is nothing to worry about unless it escalates. I say keep an eye on it, and make sure you don't have anything open to the net that shouldn't be, but there's no need to panic yet. |
| 04:50.17 | Amarande | gau: I mean, when buying a new video card. |
| 04:50.25 | jshriver_ | anyone know why I get dpkg-deb: failed to read archive for any package when I do |
| 04:50.31 | Amarande | Are there any particular GeForce 6xxx chipsets that should NOT be used with Linux? |
| 04:50.31 | jshriver_ | dpkg -I packagname? |
| 04:50.31 | gau | Amarande: there is not much choice is there ? |
| 04:50.39 | jshriver_ | lol |
| 04:50.43 | Dwonis | michal_: What threading library, in particular? |
| 04:50.45 | gau | ATI & Nvidia .... |
| 04:50.58 | Esin | dpkg -i particle |
| 04:51.11 | Esin | disturbingly interesting |
| 04:51.22 | Dwonis | lol |
| 04:51.22 | jshriver_ | I'm not trying to install but get -I (info) ...show me the files associated with a package |
| 04:51.23 | Amarande | like, 6200, 6600, 6800, 7800, any of them buggy? |
| 04:51.36 | Azar | all drivers are buggy |
| 04:51.38 | gau | dpkg is not giving me the details |
| 04:51.40 | Dwonis | jshriver_: -L |
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| 04:51.49 | Esin | bitch |
| 04:52.06 | jshriver_ | thanks |
| 04:52.50 | jshriver_ | ok back to sound... I can't get sound to work. thought maybe the MB had a glitch , but the speakers work verified on another machine, and even with Knoppix it doesn't work.. have tried onboard sound, then disabled it and put a PCI card in... neither work |
| 04:52.55 | jshriver_ | under knoppix or debian |
| 04:53.28 | michal_ | dwonis: well linux threads are lgpl but they don't support itanium, so they're out. pthreads are gpl'd so they're out.. what other options are there? |
| 04:53.30 | jshriver_ | I have alsa compiled into the kernel... |
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| 04:53.59 | Azar | jshriver_: what kernel you have? |
| 04:54.03 | jshriver_ | michal_, can't use gpl sourced thread libs? |
| 04:54.10 | jshriver_ | Azar, 2.6.15.1 |
| 04:54.17 | Azar | jshriver_: wow ok |
| 04:54.26 | jshriver_ | driver is ymfpci |
| 04:54.38 | jshriver_ | old yamaha PCI sound card pulled frmo a working machine |
| 04:54.47 | jshriver_ | lol |
| 04:55.34 | Dwonis | michal_: hold on, I think I know the answer to that |
| 04:55.34 | jshriver_ | well I didnt know you had to install alsa software ... so installed it as well, still no help... alsaconf finds my card and trys to install it.. but when it's doing the modprobe I get a ton of errors |
| 04:55.42 | Azar | jshriver_: the only thing I rembmbered was that everytime you upgrade a kernel you have to reconfigure alsa |
| 04:55.45 | michal_ | jshriver: You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program? |
| 04:55.49 | michal_ | Yes. |
| 04:55.59 | jshriver_ | no |
| 04:56.06 | jshriver_ | not if it's dynamically linked... |
| 04:56.12 | chealer_ | gau: well, the answer is yes |
| 04:56.16 | jshriver_ | at least according to GPL2 |
| 04:56.20 | jshriver_ | not sure about the new one |
| 04:56.25 | michal_ | jshriver: so you're contradicting the FAQ that the Free software Foundation has put up? |
| 04:56.38 | michal_ | jshriver: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LinkingWithGPL |
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| 04:57.02 | RabidWeezle | heya, I just wanted to ask something rather easy |
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| 04:57.23 | Flimzy | Azar: I upgrade my kernel regularly... and have never had to reconfigure alsa |
| 04:57.27 | RabidWeezle | anyone have a link how to use apt-get? |
| 04:57.27 | michal_ | jshriver: further.. Linking FOO statically or dynamically with other modules is making a |
| 04:57.28 | jshriver_ | no, just have researched it .. I might be wrong.. but there are tons of examples... look at the commercial games out there for linux... most use MesaGL and/or libSDL.. they dynamically link to it... so it's not built into the binaries... the can distribute their binaries commercialy, but have to keep the gpl code seperate |
| 04:57.30 | Dwonis | michal_: The thing about pthreads is that I believe it, like glibc, has some special exception to the GPL for linking. But I want to check first |
| 04:57.31 | michal_ | combined work based on FOO. Thus, the terms and conditions of the GNU |
| 04:57.33 | michal_ | General Public License cover the whole combination. |
| 04:57.58 | Azar | Flimzy: that's what someone here said some time ago.. |
| 04:58.00 | michal_ | jshriver: those are then probably lgpl or provide for lgpl as an option |
| 04:58.19 | jshriver_ | Im not to familiar with lgpl though so I can't comment... |
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| 04:58.28 | chealer_ | RabidWeezle: is there something wrong with the manpage, or are you maybe asking about Debian package management in general? |
| 04:58.44 | jshriver_ | but from what I've seen, heard, and seen in the corporate sector.. it is a thin line, but it can be done |
| 04:59.06 | Flimzy | Azar: Well a kernel upgrade doesn't touch your alsa config. So why would you have to reconfigure alsa, unless you change your soundcard, or the new kernel has a major upgrade to your sound card driver (which would be EXCEEDINGLY rare, and even when it happens, it shold 99.9% of the time be backward compatible with the old driver) |
| 04:59.23 | jshriver_ | now say you take some code.. modify it and use it while linking statically then yes you have to open your modifications up |
| 04:59.29 | michal_ | jshriver: anything can be done.. but this is explicitly disallowed by the GPL :/ |
| 04:59.29 | comsa | wats up wit apt wezzel |
| 04:59.32 | Azar | Flimzy: that makes sense indeed |
| 05:00.24 | comsa | wats up wit apt weezle |
| 05:00.31 | jshriver_ | michal_, I'm not fighting one way or another... pesonally I'd like to see almost everything open source... I thought it was a hold they might plug in gpl3 |
| 05:00.47 | jshriver_ | s/hold/hole |
| 05:00.51 | Dwonis | michal_: GNU pth-2.0.6 is LGPLv2.1 |
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| 05:00.54 | ClayG | what is a good vnc solution to allow my xp system to access the desktop of my linux system? |
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| 05:01.07 | Azar | interesting thing is that Debian folks generally gave it a hmm ok but Linus snubs it |
| 05:01.09 | jshriver_ | Chicken of the VNC |
| 05:01.26 | Flimzy | jshriver_, Adding that to gpl would be bad |
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| 05:02.39 | Esin | bork bork bork |
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| 05:02.45 | jshriver_ | I'm getting a ton of module errors relating to "Unknown symbol snd_blah_Y" |
| 05:02.56 | jshriver_ | Esin: hands you a spork for your bork :) |
| 05:03.03 | Esin | woohoo |
| 05:03.23 | jshriver_ | hehe |
| 05:03.32 | vyrus001 | anybody here use the netkit "ftpd-ssl"? i just apt-get'ed it and im not sure how to start it up |
| 05:03.33 | michal_ | thanks.. later |
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| 05:04.00 | fester | all of yall are pussies and man up and use gentoo shit |
| 05:04.07 | jshriver_ | hrm... going to bite the bullet.. anyone willing to give me a brief intro to make-kpkg for making a "proper debian/linux kernel"? |
| 05:04.10 | Esin | fester?? |
| 05:04.15 | Flimzy | vyrus001: Probably the same way you start any daemon in Debian... with the appropriate file in /etc/init.d |
| 05:04.18 | Esin | fester from linux freebsd one? |
| 05:04.23 | fester | what know |
| 05:04.27 | Amarande | Another $130 down the hatch. |
| 05:04.27 | jshriver_ | gentoo is nice.. just not my cup of tea, but Ubuntu seems promising |
| 05:04.29 | Flimzy | jshriver_: man make-kpkg |
| 05:04.33 | Dwonis | michal_: Part of the whole reason why the FSF licences anything under the LGPL is because they want to make it easier for people to develop software for free operating systems. While it's true that *some* libraries are licenced under the GPL, I haven't noticed any of them being *core OS* libraries. |
| 05:04.46 | jshriver_ | Flimzy, have already checked the man page.. didnt understand it |
| 05:04.48 | Flimzy | jshriver_: and/or /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 05:04.48 | Esin | fester: are you drunk/high again? |
| 05:04.55 | vyrus001 | Flimzy: i havent been able to loacte its alias in /etc/init.d ... didnt se it in there |
| 05:05.00 | fester | who are you Esin |
| 05:05.06 | fester | and how the hell do you know me |
| 05:05.08 | Azar | I like Debian because does not let the admin bork it like they do with gentoo or ubuntu |
| 05:05.10 | Esin | ithinkacrazyclownisouttogetme |
| 05:05.15 | Flimzy | vyrus001: Then it must be configured to run from inetd.conf |
| 05:05.21 | Azar | you f*ck with Debian, then it gets back at you |
| 05:05.21 | vyrus001 | hm |
| 05:05.27 | fester | debian sucks |
| 05:05.29 | fester | im sorry |
| 05:05.34 | fester | but it dosent do what i need |
| 05:05.40 | RabidWeezle | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 05:05.40 | RabidWeezle | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 05:05.40 | RabidWeezle | E: Couldn't find package xchat |
| 05:05.43 | jshriver_ | then why come to this channel... have fun in #gentoo |
| 05:05.44 | RabidWeezle | o_O |
| 05:05.47 | Flimzy | fester: You don't need to apologize to us. We don't mind. In fact, we like Debian's suckage. That's why we use it. |
| 05:05.51 | Esin | fester: nice day for a lovely troll? |
| 05:06.00 | fester | Esin, ya im from lfs:! |
| 05:06.00 | vyrus001 | RabidWeezle apt-cache search xchat |
| 05:06.06 | RabidWeezle | thanks |
| 05:06.07 | fester | Flimzy, ya |
| 05:06.11 | Flimzy | fester: If we wanted an OS that didn't suck, we'd use Windows. Which I suggest you do. |
| 05:06.15 | jshriver_ | fester, nice :) wonderful website |
| 05:06.16 | Amarande | Why do nVidia and ATI think it's important to keep the interface details secret, anyway? |
| 05:06.20 | fester | shit windows is horrible |
| 05:06.32 | Azar | RabidWeezle: you need to edit your sources.list to get some packages that are not in the deb archives (main) |
| 05:06.35 | Flimzy | fester: Go tell someone who cares how you feel about Windows. |
| 05:06.40 | jshriver_ | Amarande, has something to do with being able to reverse engineer the hardware from the drivers.. or some crap like that |
| 05:06.47 | fester | YALL CAN SUCK MY DICK |
| 05:06.47 | Dwonis | Amarande: Because they're being childish, or their subcontractors are being childish. |
| 05:06.48 | Flimzy | fester: In fact, go tell someone who cares how you feel about Debian, too, for that matter. |
| 05:06.49 | fester | BITCHES |
| 05:06.52 | Azar | :) |
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| 05:06.53 | Azar | fun |
| 05:06.54 | RabidWeezle | don't laugh at me here, but I'm using linspire... |
| 05:07.06 | RabidWeezle | but it has apt-get, so I figured I'd ask you guys |
| 05:07.06 | jshriver_ | wtf was wrong with him... linux is linux |
| 05:07.06 | Esin | He ususally does this, then leaves without notice |
| 05:07.12 | Esin | ... |
| 05:07.14 | Azar | whatever that is... why are you using apt in it? |
| 05:07.20 | Dwonis | Amarande: (More likely, nVidia is blaming third parties, even though they could lean on these third parties to release documentation if they wanted to) |
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| 05:07.32 | rohan | hi all |
| 05:07.37 | rohan | what package do i install so that i when i view images within konqi i can rotate, autozoom them ? |
| 05:07.39 | Amarande | At least nVidia has proper Linux support. |
| 05:07.40 | jshriver_ | Debian envy perhaps? or closet debian user? lol |
| 05:07.41 | rohan | its a kpart |
| 05:07.44 | RabidWeezle | cause they charge 20 a year via credit card for their package system :( |
| 05:07.45 | Amarande | Heck, even the 7800 is supported. |
| 05:07.51 | Azar | RabidWeezle: you cannot get debian packages if you do not run debian |
| 05:07.59 | jshriver_ | rohan, try gqview |
| 05:08.04 | El|V\oNKo | b!tches |
| 05:08.07 | El|V\oNKo | opps |
| 05:08.11 | El|V\oNKo | wrong chan |
| 05:08.13 | El|V\oNKo | sry |
| 05:08.18 | Amarande | Whereas the corresponding ATI, the X1000 series, has no support at all. |
| 05:08.20 | jshriver_ | hrm... |
| 05:08.24 | Amarande | Except for this cruddy 59.9 Hz signal. |
| 05:08.25 | El|V\oNKo | no mo ssh |
| 05:08.27 | Amarande | Which froze on me once. |
| 05:08.27 | Flimzy | Amarande: for certian definnitions of "proper" I suppose |
| 05:08.32 | Esin | Yeah he installed Gentoo one day and let, portage get to his head, he believes all the propaganda |
| 05:08.37 | RabidWeezle | I need to just get gcc in here and compile stuff my hand |
| 05:08.37 | rohan | jshriver_: ok. |
| 05:08.44 | RabidWeezle | by hand* |
| 05:08.55 | RabidWeezle | cause I'm not paying linspire for nothing |
| 05:08.57 | Amarande | Flimzy: "actually works", I think is what we mean here. |
| 05:08.57 | rohan | jshriver_: it intergrates with konqueror ? |
| 05:09.16 | Amarande | "doesn't crash X"? |
| 05:09.20 | jshriver_ | rohan, oh.. not sure.. it's just a really nice image viewer... reminds me of the old Windows program ACDSee |
| 05:09.40 | Azar | Amarande: if you sit and think: is ATI free ? |
| 05:09.55 | rohan | jshriver_: i want the one which integrates with konqi .. its there on all kde systems.. only , i can remember the specific package name. |
| 05:10.06 | jshriver_ | hrm not sure offhand sorry |
| 05:10.28 | Amarande | Azar: the ATI drivers don't work with my ATI card which has been out longer than the current ATI drivers have been. |
| 05:10.32 | Amarande | Basically, ATI is junk. |
| 05:10.44 | Esin | My ATi doesn't work in 64 bit mode. |
| 05:10.45 | Amarande | What do you want to drop? [atI- or ?] |
| 05:10.49 | Esin | accelerated |
| 05:10.49 | Amarande | You can't. It seems to be cursed. |
| 05:10.53 | RabidWeezle | they don't even have cvs in linspire |
| 05:10.55 | jshriver_ | hrm is it safe to completely ditch OSS? it says it's depreciated.. |
| 05:10.57 | Esin | but it does in 32 bit mode |
| 05:11.03 | RabidWeezle | useless pos |
| 05:11.04 | Azar | Amarande: neither nVidia nor ATI are free so only if they "feel like" they would write drivers for linux |
| 05:11.12 | Esin | jshriver I did, and just add the OSS layer in alsa |
| 05:11.23 | Amarande | well, nVidia feels like staying reasonably up to date |
| 05:11.30 | Amarande | ATI does not. |
| 05:11.42 | jshriver_ | Azar: aye.. but I've been happy with nvidia though.. just bought a FX 5200 yesterday and it's really nice.. drivers where easy to install and tuxracer is smooooooth :) |
| 05:11.44 | kaleid | anyone knows where I can find the diferences between shells? |
| 05:12.15 | Azar | Amarande: therefor, it was recommended in the installer manual to try get hardware that are "open source friendly" |
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| 05:13.09 | Azar | jshriver_: that is why nVidia made great progresses over ATI lately, for expanding support to all kind of OS not pandering to M$ only |
| 05:13.10 | Esin | my X server is more unstable with fglrx, But I cannot get 1280x800 in vesa or ati drivers |
| 05:13.22 | Esin | I do |
| 05:13.34 | Amarande | esin, you must crash pretty often :/ |
| 05:13.37 | Dwonis | RabidWeezle: Yeah, I tried Linspire back when it was called Lindows. Except for the marketing materials, it's the worst proprietary Linux system I've ever used |
| 05:13.42 | Esin | I had to there was broken packages in testing. |
| 05:14.12 | Dwonis | RabidWeezle: Not only was it proprietary, but even once you bought it, it was nearly useless unless you subscribed to their "Lindows Network" or whatever they called it. |
| 05:14.31 | Esin | That's the way I felt when I used Mandrake |
| 05:14.38 | Esin | "Mandrake club" |
| 05:15.01 | Dwonis | RabidWeezle: Now I just recommend Ubuntu to people (or even Debian, which has gotten a lot "easier to use" in the last couple of years) |
| 05:15.17 | eald | hi, anybody know how to get gstreamer-0.10 playing mp3 files? |
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| 05:15.20 | kaleid | before Sarge I have inmerse in the linux world qith SUSe |
| 05:15.21 | Esin | I think suse is good too |
| 05:15.24 | Dwonis | RabidWeezle: which is funny because I've only used Ubuntu for like 30 minutes ever |
| 05:15.30 | kaleid | yeah Esin |
| 05:15.36 | kaleid | ut's a good distro |
| 05:15.43 | italy | hi all |
| 05:15.56 | italy | I can't get two programs to use the sound card concurrently? suggestions? |
| 05:16.13 | x-[Kaiser]-x | been wondering that too, my xmms has problems with it :( |
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| 05:16.35 | eald | hi, anybody know how to get gstreamer-0.10 playing mp3 files? |
| 05:16.43 | eald | ups, sorry |
| 05:16.47 | Wyzard | italy: If your sound card doesn't natively support playing from multiple sources, you need to use an ALSA feature called "dmix" |
| 05:16.54 | Esin | I think you can change the output type in XMMs |
| 05:17.08 | Wyzard | italy: I don't know much about it myself, though -- I have an SB Live which handles that in hardware |
| 05:17.10 | Roots | Is anyone running unstable having problems with giftui? Whenever I run it now it gives me a seg fault and no other useful information :( |
| 05:17.18 | italy | Wyzard: oddly enough, i don't even have alsa crap installed |
| 05:17.18 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Esin, you can, but I have to reconfigure Alsa all over again everytime I reboot, and that's not nice :( |
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| 05:17.50 | Wyzard | italy: Well, I haven't heard of it being done with OSS |
| 05:18.09 | Wyzard | italy: aside from using a sound server like esound or arts, which is icky |
| 05:18.20 | Dwonis | italy: The easiest thing, after you've played around for a while, is just to buy a sound card that does hardware mixing, like the SB Live! |
| 05:18.32 | italy | screw OSS |
| 05:18.35 | Gnea | man, people don't use SCSI anymore... wtf |
| 05:18.48 | jshriver_ | ok rebuildig the kernel and modules.. hope this works. |
| 05:18.52 | italy | I'll just get alsa running |
| 05:18.52 | italy | do i need the kernel source? |
| 05:18.52 | italy | or headers? |
| 05:19.07 | Dwonis | italy: although ALSA seems to be making that easier, but certain programs don't like it (namely ones that insist on to mmap()ing the sound device, like Quake) |
| 05:19.13 | italy | Dwonis: this is a laptop, so. |
| 05:19.17 | Gnea | italy: what soundcard is it? |
| 05:19.21 | Dwonis | italy: ah, yeah :) |
| 05:19.22 | Amarande | BTW |
| 05:19.22 | Wyzard | italy: Not unless you're using an ancient kernel... ALSA is a standard part of the kernel these days |
| 05:19.27 | jshriver_ | what is the purpose of make-kpkg over just compiling from source? |
| 05:19.32 | jshriver_ | pros/cons |
| 05:19.50 | Wyzard | jshriver: make-kpkg gives you a .deb that you can cleanly install and uninstall |
| 05:19.50 | Amarande | When booting, I always get a "FAILED" message during mounting filesystems. |
| 05:20.00 | Amarande | I don't notice any actual errors due to it, though. |
| 05:20.03 | Amarande | Is this normal on etch? |
| 05:20.05 | Gnea | jshriver_: well, it builds a package of the whole kernel so that if you need to reinstall the system, you won't have to recompile - just backup, restore and dpkg -i |
| 05:20.06 | Flimzy | jshriver_: make-kpkg *is* compiling from source. It creates a .deb you can install and remove easily, or install on another machine |
| 05:20.09 | jshriver_ | Does that include all modules then? |
| 05:20.15 | Wyzard | jshriver: and it provides nice support for building out-of-tree kernel modules, and using third-party kernel patches while still keeping your source tree clean |
| 05:20.20 | Esin | Amarande: you need to compilein IDE/ATA support and your filesystem |
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| 05:20.36 | jshriver_ | sounds nice... but how does it know what HW you have so it can make the appropriate builtin drivers or modules |
| 05:20.52 | jshriver_ | does it have autodetection or does it just make modules for everything |
| 05:20.53 | drpphil | I'm having some problems using iwconfig in debian ... I'll post my errors in #flood |
| 05:20.54 | Gnea | jshriver_: read /usr/src/linux-source-<version>/README |
| 05:20.56 | Wyzard | jshriver: You still get to configure the kernel yourself |
| 05:21.00 | jshriver_ | k |
| 05:21.22 | jshriver_ | have... that's how I first learned how to make a kernel |
| 05:21.22 | Amarande | esin: i'm looking at the output of 'mount' and 'cat /etc/fstab' |
| 05:21.26 | Amarande | and there doesn't seem anything abnormal |
| 05:21.33 | Amarande | I'm wondering why I get that red Failed message on boot, then |
| 05:21.35 | jshriver_ | don see mention of kpkg though, but that's a debian thing |
| 05:21.58 | Gnea | right |
| 05:22.08 | Amarande | or are there supposed to be errors during boot on debian |
| 05:22.41 | Gnea | !tell jshriver_ -about kernel-package |
| 05:22.51 | jshriver_ | hrn 2 days to setup a box.. and most of today is just for sound... was hoping this MythTV box would be done by now maybe next weekend |
| 05:22.53 | Wyzard | Amarande: I think that's normal... that just started happening on my sid system about a month ago |
| 05:23.11 | jshriver_ | Gnea: thanks. brb reading |
| 05:23.16 | Gnea | i think the sound on my laptop clonked out :/ |
| 05:23.30 | jshriver_ | sorry to hear |
| 05:23.31 | Gnea | no matter what kernel i boot it with, all i get is silence |
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| 05:23.39 | Gnea | might have to disassemble |
| 05:23.40 | Wyzard | Amarande: I had thought it was related to the fact that I'm using encrypted swapspace which isn't yet available at that time |
| 05:23.55 | Gnea | might've been damaged at the airport when the bitch checked it |
| 05:24.05 | Dwonis | jshriver_: I've used both make-kpkg and "make install" for the kernel. |
| 05:24.13 | Wyzard | Gnea: Check that the sound isn't just muted... some laptops have hardware volume/mute buttons which are independent of the OS mixer settings |
| 05:24.21 | jshriver_ | hrm is everything for ALSA in the kernel? wondering if all of these build/link errors are because it's looking for something outside the kernel |
| 05:24.27 | jshriver_ | snd-seq snd-mix, etc etc |
| 05:24.35 | Wyzard | jshriver: Yes, all of ALSA is in the kernel |
| 05:24.37 | Dwonis | jshriver_: The nice thing about Linux is that its "make install" will actually defer to /sbin/installkernel, which Debian controls, so the process isn't *that* messy. |
| 05:24.43 | Gnea | Wyzard: it's a toshiba satellite, i doubt it |
| 05:24.53 | Amarande | I just don't see how anyone runs sid as a serious system without things constantly crashing. :) |
| 05:25.08 | jshriver_ | or what is causig all of these unknown symbol errors? |
| 05:25.11 | SerajewelKS | are there any nifty calculators in debian that can solve a derivative or integral? (solve generally, not find at a particular point) |
| 05:25.16 | Wyzard | Amarande: I run sid... things don't constantly crash |
| 05:25.38 | Dwonis | Amarande: I have my /etc/apt/preferences set up to give testing priority, while making unstable and experimental packages available if I want to explicitly install them |
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| 05:25.46 | vyrus001 | what do i do if i accadently remove a file in /etc/init.d ? (im trying to reinstall an ftp daemon but i beleave i removed its startup script) |
| 05:25.59 | Amarande | yeah, testing seems pretty stable |
| 05:26.04 | Amarande | other than when used with flaky video cards, that is heh |
| 05:26.08 | gau | Amarande: !dpkg pinning |
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| 05:27.46 | Gnea | hrm... if i plug headphones in, i can hear the feedback from the stereo bits |
| 05:27.55 | Gnea | same when i unplug |
| 05:28.19 | Gnea | but it's no different if the mixer mutes it or not :/ |
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| 05:28.27 | Gnea | so that's just saying that there's some sort of power flowing to it |
| 05:28.54 | Esin | get an electric filter |
| 05:29.06 | gnufan | vyrus001: just reinstall the package... |
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| 05:29.53 | Gnea | hello |
| 05:30.07 | Gnea | DUDE |
| 05:30.11 | Gnea | that was WEIRD - it works now :D |
| 05:30.41 | Dwonis | Amarande: my /etc/apt/preferences http://pastebin.com/529987 |
| 05:31.11 | vyrus001 | gnufan: i did.. didnt seem to fix the problem |
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| 05:32.17 | jshriver_ | the README in the kernel tree says not to touch /usr/src/linux because it jsut contains headers mostly... wel debian doesnt set it up.. how or what should be there? |
| 05:32.56 | jshriver_ | think all my problems are compile/linking based... since the drivers are getting screwed up |
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| 05:33.18 | Gnea | Wyzard: normally, i plug headphones into the headphone jack on the side - but on the back, there's a line-in jack and a video/audio line out jack - once i inserted the 1/8" into the video/audio jack, sound spewed forth from the system speakers |
| 05:33.19 | jshriver_ | a lot of linking errors to extern calls that dont seem to be in the tree, or it isnt finding them |
| 05:33.33 | Gnea | probably some dust or something |
| 05:33.57 | jshriver_ | well this is a new system. just installed it yesterday |
| 05:34.16 | Gnea | man, this has been bugging me for a good month now |
| 05:34.19 | Gnea | finally |
| 05:34.24 | jshriver_ | ? |
| 05:34.39 | Gnea | the sound issue :) |
| 05:34.42 | Gnea | like weight was lifted |
| 05:34.46 | jshriver_ | oh it's working? :) |
| 05:35.04 | Gnea | jshriver_: you installed sarge? |
| 05:35.09 | Gnea | yup! |
| 05:35.09 | jshriver_ | yeah |
| 05:35.24 | jshriver_ | lol |
| 05:35.27 | Gnea | jshriver_: ok what kernel are you currently booted into? |
| 05:35.35 | jshriver_ | 2.6.15.1 |
| 05:35.50 | Gnea | on sarge? that's non-standard. |
| 05:35.54 | Gnea | 2.6.8 is the latest |
| 05:36.07 | jshriver_ | I have alsa compiled in, no OSS now.. and I choose M for every possible PCI sound card.. and added the oss emulation builtin |
| 05:36.13 | jshriver_ | na I downloaed the tarball and gone from there |
| 05:36.18 | jshriver_ | works nice except for sound |
| 05:36.20 | Gnea | oh god..... |
| 05:36.29 | Gnea | yeah, you can only use one or the other |
| 05:36.34 | Gnea | first off, just get rid of OSS altogether |
| 05:36.38 | Gnea | and M all of ALSA |
| 05:36.43 | Gnea | recompile, reboot |
| 05:36.46 | Gnea | that's it |
| 05:37.14 | raden | ok i know thisisnt ubutnu but whats the diffrence between debian & ubuntu |
| 05:37.31 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 05:37.31 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 05:37.42 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 05:37.42 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 05:38.32 | Gnea | raden: hrm, what it means is that each based-on-debian distro usually has its own upstream packages that are meant to be used with that distro - in other words, you can't mix and match deb source repositories |
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| 05:38.43 | ilpavox | anyone know what package libdl is in? |
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| 05:39.00 | Gnea | ilpavox: is http://packages.debian.org down? |
| 05:39.02 | Dwonis | ilpavox: libc6-dev, I think |
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| 05:39.08 | ilpavox | ty |
| 05:39.29 | Grackshrike | Ubuntu uses its own repos, and it has features to allow you to do entire distro upgrades without dl'ing a new CD (you just change repos). It doesn't have the same amount of software in its repos though, Debian has more. Ubuntu basically takes Debian, makes it a bit more noob friendly at the cost of limiting it somewhat. |
| 05:39.57 | Grackshrike | takes Debian and makes* |
| 05:40.04 | nvz | hmm I guess the ncurses dopewars frontend isnt in debian |
| 05:40.10 | jshriver_ | back |
| 05:40.15 | jshriver_ | sorry tink my dogs sick... |
| 05:40.19 | jshriver_ | scrolls back |
| 05:40.39 | nvz | nm.. its all in one binary :P |
| 05:40.47 | italy | dopewars... linux? |
| 05:40.48 | Gnea | Grackshrike: uhm, what do you mean, allows you to do entire distro upgrades? what do you think apt-get update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade do? |
| 05:41.13 | jshriver_ | how do you install a kernel from debian then? Im apt-cache searching now |
| 05:41.14 | Hobz | somebody probably put it into perl or something, nvz |
| 05:41.17 | gnufan | vyrus001: what package did you reinstall? |
| 05:41.26 | vyrus001 | gnufan: ftpd-ssl |
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| 05:41.57 | nvz | Hobz: I didnt know the dopewars binary contained both frontends.. I thought they were separate. |
| 05:42.08 | drpphil | how can you tell what all packages are installed via the package management system in debian |
| 05:42.11 | italy | nvz: where is this dopewars game? |
| 05:42.31 | Grackshrike | Oh Gnea, ok. I just read that comment somewhere and it must have mean that in respect to not-debian distros. I was just trying to give a more comprehensive answer than a generalized bot smacking. |
| 05:42.34 | nvz | italy: in the dopewars package, duh or on dopewars.sf.net |
| 05:42.39 | Dwonis | drpphil: dpkg -l |
| 05:42.42 | italy | nvz: nice. |
| 05:42.59 | Grackshrike | My other points still stand though. |
| 05:43.00 | Dwonis | drpphil: or "dpkg -l | grep ^ii", strictly-speaking |
| 05:43.20 | jshriver_ | hrm.. do you have to isntall anything other than kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686? will it get all of the modules too? |
| 05:43.53 | drpphil | Dwonis: thanks |
| 05:44.21 | jshriver_ | brb |
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| 05:47.27 | gnufan | vyrus001: Hmm looks like ftpd-ssl doesn't install anything to start itself.... weird - looks like a packaging issue to me. |
| 05:47.36 | gau | whenever i compile anything i get cup1 temperature above threshold .. is ther some way to tur the message off ? |
| 05:47.52 | gau | it just keeps messing up my terminal contents ... |
| 05:47.57 | italy | ... |
| 05:48.01 | italy | I installed dopewars |
| 05:48.05 | italy | but where did it go? :P |
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| 05:48.16 | floundering | Flimzy:: No, still not working, I changed the input wav file by cropping the clicks at start and end but still get a track duration change now from 2:07 down to 1:25 with just a change of format from wav to cdr. the original sample rate is 11025 so its a straight 1:4 ratio |
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| 05:48.36 | italy | nevermind. |
| 05:48.48 | armenb | im having a strange bug with my debian sarge netinst CD |
| 05:48.50 | italy | what the fuck |
| 05:48.57 | italy | multiplayer?? |
| 05:49.01 | armenb | im getting a "couldn't download libstdc++5 |
| 05:49.04 | armenb | " error |
| 05:49.16 | armenb | i burned two cds, just in case, same problem. |
| 05:49.19 | armenb | suggestions? |
| 05:49.22 | Amarande | okay, I'm going to get some sleep. |
| 05:49.26 | Amarande | And rest my eyes from this nightmare. |
| 05:49.28 | Amarande | G'night folks. |
| 05:50.05 | Flimzy | floundering: Well then you're still not doing it right. |
| 05:50.51 | gavin__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:51.01 | gnufan | vyrus001: probably expect you to use the inetd.conf or similar (xinetd) to start it at a guess |
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| 05:52.06 | Dwonis | floundering: something like this (but maybe not exactly this) might work: sox -t sw -r 44100 -c 2 inputfile.cdr -t wav -r 11025 -c 2 outputfile.wav resample |
| 05:52.25 | bp7 | hi. May I get directions on learning how to view dependency trees of the installed packages of my choice? |
| 05:53.05 | nvz | bp7: man apt-cache |
| 05:53.12 | bp7 | nvz: ok thanks |
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| 05:53.50 | nvz | bp7: see also maybe installing packages like apt-rdepends, apt-file, deporphan, deb-foster..etc or perhaps using a package manager like aptitude or synaptic |
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| 05:59.53 | jshriver_ | hrm ok I'm in the latest debian kernel.. 2.8.something... |
| 06:00.30 | jshriver_ | no sound...running alsaconf |
| 06:00.45 | jshriver_ | how can I check that it's not muted? I used setmixer -V to turn everything to 100 |
| 06:00.59 | _joey_ | what utility should I use to split reiserfs ? |
| 06:01.10 | jshriver_ | split? as in repartition? |
| 06:01.14 | jshriver_ | maybe qtparted... |
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| 06:02.00 | _joey_ | repartion or split, I don't want to loose current data |
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| 06:02.30 | jshriver_ | qtparted is the only thing that *might* do it.. check their website first though.. it just seems to be the most robust repartition tool for linux |
| 06:03.03 | _joey_ | not in debian's cache |
| 06:03.06 | vyrus001 | gnufan: too bad its not in the conf file |
| 06:03.16 | vyrus001 | and locate dosnt find it so i cant add it |
| 06:03.53 | drpphil | iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries: libiw.so.27: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:03.57 | gnufan | vyrus001: I have in.ftpd in inetd.conf |
| 06:04.36 | gnufan | vyrus001: try "dpkg -L <packagename>" to figure out what is where. |
| 06:04.40 | vyrus001 | hm |
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| 06:06.39 | Jeeves_Moss | !!tell jeeves_moss apache uninstall |
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| 06:07.22 | Jeeves_Moss | any one know how to uninstall packages that were installed using Apt-get install? |
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| 06:08.09 | Coweater | apt-get remove |
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| 06:08.49 | Jeeves_Moss | coweater: thanks. |
| 06:08.50 | Dewi | could anyone help me with viewcvs? I have the package installed, but I have no idea what to do to apache to actually start using viewcvs |
| 06:09.03 | Dewi | I can't find any documentation |
| 06:09.33 | Jeeves_Moss | coweater: do you know if there is a package for sarge for PHP5? |
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| 06:09.52 | Coweater | dunno, check backports |
| 06:09.59 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: not natively, but if you are willing to use backports.org, they have one |
| 06:10.24 | Dewi | well, I guess it's "native" but it's not "official" |
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| 06:11.48 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: will the one from PHP's web site work? I tried installing it, and I don't think it worked. |
| 06:12.25 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: they have a .deb? personally I'd use something made by debian people; they know the system better |
| 06:12.27 | floundering | Flimzy:: the infile and outfile rates need switching but thats just the sort of thing thats giving me overspeed output. I had not specified the input file rate or type as signed word befor but its made no difference :( crap- I am going to have to fire up nero |
| 06:12.41 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: backports.org is relatively close to the debian community. Compared to php guys anyway. |
| 06:12.43 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: no, its sourcecode. |
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| 06:13.09 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: ok, I've read that you should install it first, then install apache afterwords. Sudgestions? |
| 06:13.15 | nvz | if my gateway doesnt support dyndns is there a way I can run a dyndns client on my box behind it perhaps with port forwarding to update the IP on the dyndns if/when it changes? |
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| 06:13.29 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: that sounds... silly |
| 06:13.36 | nvz | my box is debian sarge of course, if there is something available |
| 06:13.48 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: sudgestons? or on-line howto (that you KNOW is safe)? |
| 06:13.50 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: PHP works within apache, not the other way around |
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| 06:14.37 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: my suggestion is to add some backports.org sources, use /etc/apt_preferences to "pin" them to a low priority, and then go into aptitude and select "apache2" and "php5", and hit install. then it just works. |
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| 06:14.48 | nvz | I am trying to design some games and stuff for my mobile phone and I am thinking of using apache to serve them but I'd like to be able to use my hostname without having to worry about my ip changing |
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| 06:15.03 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: thats what I thought, but I was reading something that sudgested you install it first for some dumb reason. thats why I asked if you know of any good howtos that are knowen safe. |
| 06:15.14 | nvz | I am too lazy to learn J2ME so I am writing Python CGI apps with WML interfaces :P |
| 06:15.31 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: how would I go about doing that exactuly. |
| 06:15.45 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: I don't know of any docs. But I'm pretty sure that in debian, apache files are actually a dependancy of php5, you cannot really install it first |
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| 06:17.16 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: http://pastebin.com/530019 |
| 06:17.19 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: ok, thanks, I'm off to do some reading. |
| 06:17.28 | floundering | Flimzy:: thanks for your help. |
| 06:17.48 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: if you add that stuff to your apt configuration, you can then get aptitude to install php5, with a bit of coercion. |
| 06:18.23 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: because it's pinned to -1 it won't let you install backports stuff "by default" but if you hit Enter on a package and select the specific backports instance from the "versions" list, it'll let you select it |
| 06:18.24 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: thanks again, let me do some quick reading. |
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| 06:18.52 | Dewi | Why this shattered viewcvs?!?!?! |
| 06:19.09 | Dewi | anyone know where the docs are that say how to configure apache to run viewcvs? |
| 06:19.12 | dominicano | dvm, hola |
| 06:19.15 | dominicano | dvm, hi man |
| 06:19.24 | gnufan | Jeeves_Moss: I used dotdeb |
| 06:19.46 | cWx_19^_^ | met siang |
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| 06:20.17 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: dotdeb is the same deal as backports, just different guys. I use both, but I'm pretty sure backports is considered a little more "respected", but slower to release. I've used PHP5 packages from both of them. |
| 06:20.27 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: with no issues so far |
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| 06:24.37 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: I wonder why Debian hasen't realeased PHP anythign yet. |
| 06:24.40 | dvm | dominicano: hello man |
| 06:24.50 | cWx_19^_^ | hii |
| 06:25.03 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: PHP5 only went into testing about... less than 2 months ago |
| 06:25.10 | dvm | dominicano: Im just wake up man ;-), i have sleep a bit |
| 06:25.18 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: I mean anything php. |
| 06:25.18 | dominicano | dvm, are you dvm1981 _? |
| 06:25.19 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: it has some complicated and annoying dependancies on GTK or QT something like that |
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| 06:25.28 | dvm | dominicano: yes |
| 06:25.28 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: debian sarge has php4 |
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| 06:25.48 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: I rember trying to install QT, that was a pain in teh ass. |
| 06:25.50 | dominicano | dvm, how much did you sleep_? |
| 06:26.05 | RabidWeezle | is there an official debian help channel? |
| 06:26.05 | dominicano | dvm, a couple of hours_? |
| 06:26.12 | Dewi | RabidWeezle: you're in one. |
| 06:26.15 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: all I want is to be able to run a stats gen for my HL2 server. |
| 06:26.16 | RabidWeezle | cool |
| 06:26.28 | dvm | dominicano: You are on Ubuntu not ? Switched to Deb ? Yes i was seak (malade) |
| 06:26.29 | RabidWeezle | E: Package cvs has no installation candidate when I try to apt-get... |
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| 06:26.44 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: if all you need is php4, you should be able to install that easily with apt on any current version of debian |
| 06:27.06 | dvm | dominicano: Is you're problem solved ? |
| 06:27.11 | Jeeves_Moss | dvm: I LOVE Ubuntu. no playing around to try and get things to work on my laptop. it seen all the hardware the first time |
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| 06:27.41 | gnufan | RabidWeezle: odd - you run apt-get update recently? |
| 06:27.50 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: is there an easy way to move the "home" directory of my web server? I'd like to move it to /home/weeroot/ |
| 06:27.52 | dominicano | dvm, i`m waiting for a especific HD ti reinstall my Debian dist. |
| 06:27.53 | dvm | Jeeves_Moss: Ok, thats easyer to setup, but i not like it |
| 06:27.56 | RabidWeezle | lemme see here... |
| 06:28.11 | Jeeves_Moss | dvm: what don't you like about it? |
| 06:28.16 | RabidWeezle | just ran it, and same thing |
| 06:28.22 | dvm | Jeeves_Moss: Gnmome |
| 06:28.35 | Jeeves_Moss | dvm: are you a KDE guy? |
| 06:28.40 | RabidWeezle | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:28.43 | gnufan | RabidWeezle: What release sarge/etch/sid? |
| 06:28.48 | nima | heh heh heh, kde |
| 06:28.49 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: apache2 keeps its list of sites in /etc/apache2/sites-available, and they are enabled by symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 06:28.54 | dvm | Jeeves_Moss: an openbox, xfce, blackbox, wm |
| 06:29.01 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:29.03 | cWx_19^_^ | met siang:) |
| 06:29.05 | RabidWeezle | apt-get on linspire |
| 06:29.08 | nima | the debian way of apache configuration is awesome |
| 06:29.10 | dominicano | dvm, what the meaning of malade_? |
| 06:29.11 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: so you can put fragments of configuration in there and enable/disable as you wish; there is nothing tying you to a particular webroot once you change that |
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| 06:29.25 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: (assuming you're using the normal apache2 configuration arrangement) |
| 06:29.26 | dvm | dominicano: moment |
| 06:29.29 | RabidWeezle | just trying to find a free way to get packages :( |
| 06:29.41 | SlayerXP | RabidWeezle: install debian |
| 06:29.44 | cheal | RabidWeezle: oh. you're on the wrong channel |
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| 06:29.57 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: if I just went apt-get install apache, will it install apache2 by default? |
| 06:30.03 | RabidWeezle | I tried once, but I'm too.... ...slow to install debian |
| 06:30.07 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: no |
| 06:30.21 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: thats why apache2 is called apache2 |
| 06:30.24 | Jeeves_Moss | deadcat: is there an easy way to "upgrade" it? |
| 06:30.24 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: don't think so. Try apache2 |
| 06:30.27 | dvm | !X fr en malade |
| 06:30.27 | Zodo | I've got a question to bounce off you all. I've just recently set up an old laptop running Sarge. I've got it acting as a DHCP server, DNS caching server (bind9), and running IP Masq with Guidedog. I've noticed that it hits the hard drive with a regular interval...just about every 3 seconds. How can I figure out what's causing these reads/writes, in order to reduce them? |
| 06:30.29 | dpkg | patient |
| 06:30.35 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: remove apache and install apache2 |
| 06:30.46 | dvm | dpkg is not right |
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| 06:30.59 | Jeeves_Moss | deadcat: thats what I just started to do |
| 06:31.03 | Dewi | dvm: dpkg is always right |
| 06:31.06 | SlayerXP | RabidWeezle: this is #debian. we can't help you with redhat, mandrake, gentoo, ubuntu, windows xp, linspire, aix, sco unix, solaris, dos or cp/m |
| 06:31.07 | jm_ | Zodo: using ext3? |
| 06:31.08 | Dewi | dvm: the WORLD is wrong |
| 06:31.09 | nima | dpkg is a nutcase |
| 06:31.19 | Zodo | Yeah, it's ext3. |
| 06:31.24 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: dpkg has had one too many beers. LOL |
| 06:31.35 | RabidWeezle | ok, I'm sorry |
| 06:31.44 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: one day I'll figure out how to MARRY that bot |
| 06:31.47 | jm_ | that's default commit interval of 5s, |
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| 06:31.55 | nima | we need a free implementation of the AIM server |
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| 06:32.13 | Zodo | Aha...that makes sense. It's like clockwork. |
| 06:32.19 | Coweater | nima: why? there's jabber |
| 06:32.20 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: I'll take my 5'10", 125Lb natural blonde with natural Cs thank you. |
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| 06:32.50 | nima | Coweater: yeah, i want one anyways |
| 06:32.56 | jm_ | you can find posts on the net that talk about porlonging battery life on laptops, I remember Andrew Morton's mail on LKML sometime last year (I think), which talks about kernel settings |
| 06:33.06 | nima | maybe ill write a simple one in python at some point |
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| 06:33.28 | dvm | dominicano: Sik -> malade ? |
| 06:33.45 | Zodo | I'd hate to give up the reliability and convert back to ext2...but if I have to, I will. In retrospect, I should have put it all on a ramdisk. |
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| 06:33.57 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: there is nothing natural about C |
| 06:34.08 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: it's an ugly and primitive solution |
| 06:34.27 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing wrong with C either. |
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| 06:34.41 | Dewi | I can tell I'm going to get in trouble now |
| 06:34.47 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: on a frame like that, it looks good. And shes from a Dutch family. Blonde hair, blue eyes. God I'm in love. (and I think shes wearing my ring as well) |
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| 06:35.34 | dondelelcaro | Zodo: there's a reason why I don't recommend anything but ext2... |
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| 06:36.21 | nichos | how can i kill a process that is "D" |
| 06:36.24 | Zodo | Part of me would like to fool around with exotic filesystems........but no. I'll just figure out how to convert it down. |
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| 06:36.59 | jm_ | nichos: you can't |
| 06:37.12 | nichos | jm_ what is a "D" process? |
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| 06:37.16 | Zodo | Er, wait...aren't they backwards compatible? I could just mount an ext3 as ext2, right? |
| 06:37.18 | dvm | nichos: kill -9 ID ? |
| 06:37.20 | Supaplex | isn't that waiting for block read? |
| 06:37.22 | nima | reiserfs has worked well for me |
| 06:37.29 | nichos | dvm tried that, didnt do anything |
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| 06:37.31 | Dwonis | nichos: man ps |
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| 06:37.42 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: do you know if there is a way for a headless system to play a beep or something once the system is up and stable? |
| 06:37.44 | nima | no failures, has a cool name; thats all that matters, right? |
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| 06:37.52 | Zodo | Heh, yeah. |
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| 06:37.58 | dondelelcaro | Zodo: yes. |
| 06:38.08 | nima | Jeeves_Moss: yes |
| 06:38.09 | Dwonis | Dewi: "echo -e '\a'" might be what you're looking for |
| 06:38.20 | dondelelcaro | !reiserfs |
| 06:38.20 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 06:38.28 | jm_ | nichos: waiting for I/O |
| 06:38.30 | Jeeves_Moss | nima: something simple? |
| 06:38.44 | vargux | hi everyone.... |
| 06:38.48 | nima | you want a system speaker to beep? |
| 06:38.54 | nima | Jeeves_Moss: ^^^ |
| 06:38.58 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: I once wrote something to make it beep when it was ready to shut down, but really, can't you just ping it or something? |
| 06:39.15 | Jeeves_Moss | nima: yes, I've got a bunch of systems here that are headless, and its a pain int eh butt to guess when they're up |
| 06:39.16 | vargux | ...anyone know all about "ports usb" for mount pendrives??? |
| 06:39.41 | nima | Dewi: this would be cool, all it would take would be a simple perl script in init.d |
| 06:39.42 | dondelelcaro | vargux: just plug in the usb drive, check dmesg for the right device, and mount it. |
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| 06:39.57 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: now that I've got apache2 installed, I can't get a web page on this server. ARRGGHHH |
| 06:40.01 | nima | just have to find a command to get the system speaker to beep |
| 06:40.11 | nima | shell script, i mean |
| 06:40.17 | Zodo | Well, here goes. Let's hope that I don't somehow manage to break my filesystem. |
| 06:40.26 | vargux | but it's pendrive-mp3... |
| 06:40.52 | Zodo | Just a quick edit in fstab, I would assume, right? |
| 06:40.52 | AndroFlux | nima: echo -e '\a' |
| 06:41.01 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: I mean... it's up and stable by the time you can ssh in, just about |
| 06:41.07 | AndroFlux | nima: probably won't work from a cronjob, though |
| 06:41.24 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: I'm on it now, but I can't get apache2 to start, heres the error "Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0." |
| 06:41.34 | nima | its worth a shot, AndroFlux |
| 06:42.02 | vyrus001 | how do i add add "in.ftpd" to my inetd.conf file ? |
| 06:43.14 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: any ideas? |
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| 06:43.51 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: maybe you should edit /etc/default/apache2 like it says |
| 06:44.33 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: some things install in a disabled state so they're not an automatic security consideration |
| 06:44.40 | AndroFlux | nima: Easiest would be if the computer has a soundcard, just to play little sound clip through the speakers. |
| 06:44.43 | dvm | Hey guys, i have found little bugs (errors) in the 'debian-reference-en', i have use the 'reportbug' but exim4 is not setup here (and i dont know how to), could someone report it please ? http://pastebin.ca/39103 |
| 06:44.48 | Zodo | Woah, good thing I looked it up online...reverting is a little more complex than just changing the fstab, it appears. Redhat has a good guide. |
| 06:45.16 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: thats strange that I coulden't start it manualy |
| 06:46.07 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: man I'm tired. |
| 06:46.23 | cunakya | can I get debian to support the mouse built into my old laptop? (its one of those red mini joysticks in the middle of the keyboard) |
| 06:46.24 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: I think you should juse set "NO_START" to zero so it runs :P |
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| 06:46.49 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: yea, I gathered that. now I need to change the default directory. |
| 06:46.52 | Dewi | cunakya: every laptop is different, the answer is "probably" |
| 06:46.55 | nevyn | cunakya: sure.. it's probably just a ps/2 device |
| 06:46.58 | cheal | dvm: nobody is going to report bugs for you unless they're critical or something. if you *really* don't want to setup exim, send a mail "manually" |
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| 06:47.09 | dna_ | where can I get a soundfont file for qsynth? |
| 06:47.16 | dna_ | I have a sound blaster live! |
| 06:47.29 | vargux | dondelelcaro: when i write "dmesg", in final lineas: " sda: unknown partition table |
| 06:47.30 | vargux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.42 | cunakya | ps/2, eh? i'll look into that |
| 06:47.50 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: apache2 doesn't have any one default directory. Each conceptual "site" has its own configuration in a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available, and a symlink to turn it on in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 06:48.01 | dvm | cheal: That's right man, i have not think on that, only reportbug, ;-) ok Doing that ;-) |
| 06:48.02 | vargux | ...what means this?.... |
| 06:48.29 | vargux | sda:unknown partition table... |
| 06:48.38 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: ok, this is going to take a while I see. All I want is a simple web server (only localy accessable) to display the stats for my HL2 server thats run on this system |
| 06:48.45 | vargux | ...i have to give format? |
| 06:48.57 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: basicly I lug this overgrowen rackmount server with me to LAN parties. |
| 06:49.02 | Guerin | vargux: you could try MAKING a partition table on it |
| 06:49.07 | Guerin | or fixing the one which is there |
| 06:49.26 | vargux | ...i'm doing |
| 06:49.37 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: just look in /etc/apache2/sites-available. It's really quite simple. There's a default site in there which you can easily copy or modify |
| 06:49.37 | nima | does an initscript have to have all that init info? |
| 06:49.39 | Guerin | Jeeves_Moss: use apache1 |
| 06:49.39 | vargux | but don't work for pendrive-mp3 |
| 06:49.48 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: it points to /var/www by default |
| 06:49.48 | vargux | only simple pendrives |
| 06:49.48 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: thanks. |
| 06:49.52 | Guerin | Jeeves_Moss: apache1 serves stuff out of /var/www by default |
| 06:50.06 | Guerin | though if apache2 doesn'ty, I'd be a bit sad for it |
| 06:50.12 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: watch out for the Rewrite thing they stick in; you probably want to pull that out |
| 06:50.24 | nima | Guerin: apache2 does as well |
| 06:50.26 | Dewi | Guerin: it does too, although it ships with some Rewrite magic |
| 06:50.31 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: ReWite? |
| 06:50.48 | vargux | Guerin: /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto rw,sync,noatime,user,dirsync 0 0 |
| 06:51.20 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: sorry, I don't have a copy of it, it's heavily commented. It's a Rewrite or an Alias or something, to /var/www/apache2-default/ |
| 06:51.31 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: ok, I'll look. |
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| 06:52.12 | vargux | ... please anyone help me.... |
| 06:52.14 | nima | Jeeves_Moss: you just have to comment out a couple lines |
| 06:52.21 | vargux | it's very important...! |
| 06:52.24 | vargux | :( |
| 06:52.26 | nima | er, Dewi |
| 06:52.34 | j4m3s_ | is ide_mod in sarge? |
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| 06:52.58 | Guerin | vargux: none of that is any use unless you have a valid patition table |
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| 06:53.12 | Guerin | vargux: try cfdisk /dev/sda # as root |
| 06:53.15 | cheal | j4m3s_: what's that? |
| 06:53.17 | Dewi | nima: yes. That's what I'm telling him :) |
| 06:53.24 | j4m3s_ | the linux ide driver |
| 06:53.34 | j4m3s_ | ide_mod and ide_probe_mod |
| 06:53.47 | Guerin | j4m3s_: no, sarge only supports scsi |
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| 06:53.56 | nima | aahh, i hate it when i phase out of the conversation for a second and then nothing makes sence |
| 06:53.57 | Guerin | debian is a server distro, didn't you realise? |
| 06:54.21 | j4m3s_ | so if i am trying to be able to boot from a pata raid setup what modules do i need to load in order to use an initrd image? |
| 06:54.21 | nima | i use it on the desktop, Guerin :-) |
| 06:54.35 | Guerin | nima: you lie! |
| 06:54.51 | nima | shit, you caught me |
| 06:55.03 | Guerin | nima: you must be using ubuntu! |
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| 06:55.13 | Guerin | after all, that's the only version of debian which is good for desktopsd |
| 06:55.14 | vargux | Guerin: don't work "cfdisk /dev/sda" |
| 06:55.21 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 06:55.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:55.27 | Guerin | vargux: tell it to get a job. |
| 06:55.55 | nima | Guerin: what do you use on the desktop? |
| 06:56.00 | j4m3s_ | so Guerin, if i am trying to be able to boot from a pata raid setup what modules do i need to load in order to use an initrd image? |
| 06:56.10 | Jeeves_Moss | all: wow, DPKG is getting lippy, next thing you know, he'll be beating up his old lady. LOL |
| 06:56.17 | Guerin | nima: nothing, at the moment, because i fucvked up my laptop keyboard yesterday while cleaning it |
| 06:56.22 | drp2 | symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_object_compat_control |
| 06:56.31 | SerajewelKS | Jeeves_Moss: obviously you haven't seen the mhallsmite |
| 06:56.48 | drp2 | I get this error message when trying to run various X apps now ... not sure what I did |
| 06:56.51 | Jeeves_Moss | SerajewelKS: ??? |
| 06:57.00 | SerajewelKS | !mhallsmite Jeeves_Moss |
| 06:57.02 | Guerin | it still works fine, it juszktg tgypeszk liwaksze tghiwaszk |
| 06:57.39 | drp2 | I recently installed the ndiswrapper and added some stuff to my modules list but I don't think it would cause that |
| 06:57.46 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'd hardly call that "working fine" |
| 06:57.57 | vargux | Guerin: don't work "cfdisk /dev/sda" |
| 06:58.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: well, i mean, it doesn't prevent booting or anything |
| 06:58.01 | Dwonis | SerajewelKS: why is it called mhallsmite? |
| 06:58.19 | SerajewelKS | Dwonis: because mhall is over-the-top |
| 06:58.21 | nima | is mhall someone i've seen around? |
| 06:58.28 | nima | ok, it is |
| 06:58.36 | SerajewelKS | !seen mhall |
| 06:58.37 | dpkg | mhall <n=mhall@uop-11-199.pacific.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 3h 48m 37s ago, saying: 'abrotman: yeah ;-)'. |
| 06:58.41 | vargux | well... i see that you are full tasks... |
| 06:58.46 | Guerin | vargux: tell it to get a fucking job. If it STILL won't work, tell it to enrol for an unemployment benefit. |
| 06:58.52 | deadcat | is there a way to clear the printed jobs in cups admin webinterface? |
| 06:59.06 | SerajewelKS | vargux: you need to tell us what it's not doing. "doesn't work" is unhelpful. |
| 06:59.17 | vargux | ok... |
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| 06:59.47 | vargux | i have only 1 month on Debian! |
| 06:59.52 | vargux | ...relax! |
| 06:59.57 | WiFiTux | anyone knows how can I let a simple user have full control of a mounted vfat disk? |
| 06:59.58 | SerajewelKS | vargux: what's your native language? |
| 07:00.09 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: set the umask |
| 07:00.12 | vargux | ...Spanish! |
| 07:00.16 | SerajewelKS | !es |
| 07:00.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:00.21 | deadcat | WiFiTux: what up dude (= |
| 07:00.33 | WiFiTux | deadcat: hey hey! |
| 07:00.33 | vargux | ...but there all are sleeping |
| 07:00.47 | bp7 | siesta? |
| 07:00.53 | Jeeves_Moss | Dewi: have you hade experince with vsftpd? |
| 07:00.54 | WiFiTux | SerajewelKS: hhmm on fstab I assume |
| 07:00.59 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: nope. |
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| 07:01.25 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: yeah, you want something like 'group=foobar,umask=007' then put the people you want to have access in the 'foobar' group |
| 07:01.34 | nima | initscripts can be very complicated |
| 07:01.37 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: sudgestions on a simple FTP server? |
| 07:02.02 | nima | vsftpd |
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| 07:02.13 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: ftpd - FTP server |
| 07:02.13 | jm_ | WiFiTux: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 07:02.15 | WiFiTux | SerajewelKS: that under the options line under fstab? |
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| 07:02.31 | vargux | typing :cfdisk /dev/hsa: "FATAL ERROR : Don't open disk unid |
| 07:02.37 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: yeah. obviously make 'foobar' the name of a new group or the name of an appropriate group |
| 07:02.37 | zebalin4 | Help. I tried to install something to one of my partitions on sdB and now none of the partitions will boot from the grub menu. Fortunately I have a debian on sdA. What would cause grub to just hang. |
| 07:02.38 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: apt-cache search --names-only ftpd |
| 07:02.41 | vargux | ....something like that |
| 07:02.57 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: e.g. i use 'video' for a *lot* of things, because only local users will be in that group |
| 07:02.58 | vargux | (sorry /dev/sda) |
| 07:03.13 | floundering | Flimzy:: looking at the time errors, I am getting a track length output 2/3 of what it should be. thats buggishly neat. |
| 07:03.23 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: at least in my security policy, a user must be a local user to be in that group so it makes sense (even though it's not "correct") |
| 07:03.53 | SerajewelKS | vargux: yeah i think #debian-es is a better choice, sorry |
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| 07:03.57 | WiFiTux | SerajewelKS: I only want one user to have accecss to it. |
| 07:04.06 | Jeeves_Moss | deadcat: whats the switch do delete a non empty directory? |
| 07:04.10 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: then you can do 'uid=username,umask=077' |
| 07:04.11 | WiFiTux | SerajewelKS: can I leave defaults,uid=abonilla and done |
| 07:04.14 | WiFiTux | ok |
| 07:04.16 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: rm -rf |
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| 07:04.25 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: then it will be rwx------ for that user |
| 07:04.29 | Jeeves_Moss | deadcat, thanks. |
| 07:04.37 | WiFiTux | cool |
| 07:04.42 | deadcat | Jeeves_Moss: ftpd seems like a very small/simple ftp daemon |
| 07:04.51 | SerajewelKS | WiFiTux: it goes without saying that you need to remount it |
| 07:05.01 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: I haven't used ftp in years, sorry. |
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| 07:05.10 | jla | or you set it up to be a user mount like /dev/fd0 is by default |
| 07:05.14 | Jeeves_Moss | deadcat: ok, thanks, I'm installing it now. |
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| 07:07.29 | pabs3 | anyone know how to make apt/aptitude download Packages.bz2 files instead of .gz ones? |
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| 07:08.34 | vyrus001 | pabs3: xvjf |
| 07:08.39 | vyrus001 | oh wait |
| 07:08.42 | drp2 | I'm not sure how to fix this link problem ... any suggestions |
| 07:08.44 | vyrus001 | n/m ;) |
| 07:09.06 | drp2 | everythign was working fine before I recently installed/configured my wireless network card |
| 07:09.16 | pabs3 | vyrus001: just using xf saves typing |
| 07:10.29 | vyrus001 | :P |
| 07:11.12 | nvz | drp2: what happened when you installed your wireless card? |
| 07:11.34 | drp2 | nvz: nothing it was working fine |
| 07:11.46 | nvz | drp2: it? |
| 07:12.00 | drp2 | nvz: the wireless network card |
| 07:12.04 | nvz | drp2: you seem to be saying you have a problem that started after installing a wireless card |
| 07:12.11 | nvz | drp2: whats the problem? |
| 07:12.24 | drp2 | symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_object_compat_control |
| 07:12.34 | drp2 | I get this error message when trying to run various X apps now ... not sure what I did |
| 07:12.42 | drp2 | sorry ... I posted that a few mins ago |
| 07:12.45 | nvz | drp2: this seems completly unrelated to networking or hardware |
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| 07:13.06 | nvz | drp2: when and where are you seeing this message, and is it effecting anything? |
| 07:13.07 | drp2 | nvz: yeah that's what I thought but |
| 07:13.24 | drp2 | nvz: I can't run a lot of applications |
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| 07:13.37 | drp2 | nvz: xchat, gaim, thunderbird, etc |
| 07:13.41 | nvz | drp2: gtk2 applications.. all of them? |
| 07:13.53 | drp2 | nvz: I'm guessing yes |
| 07:14.03 | nvz | drp2: and this appears if you run them from a console? or this appears running them anywhere in a dialog box> |
| 07:14.32 | drp2 | nvz: it appears when trying to launch them from the terminal |
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| 07:15.08 | nvz | drp2: and what happens normally from the icon? they just simply never appear? |
| 07:15.29 | bp7 | is it worth backing up /var/cache/apt/archives/* ? I installed a debian system from just cd1 and downloaded the rest as needed from apt repositories. Now there is about 700MB in that directory and I'm wondering if I can use them later to recover a debian system. I also want to apt-cache clear at some point. |
| 07:15.30 | drp2 | nvz: I'm running fluxbox ... yeah they just don't appear |
| 07:15.35 | nvz | drp2: when you run them from a terminal do they hang after that message or terminate? |
| 07:15.59 | drp2 | nvz: nothing comes up except that error message |
| 07:16.15 | nvz | drp2: so they are hanging and not returning a command prompt? |
| 07:16.29 | nvz | even if you press enter no new command line? |
| 07:16.44 | nvz | you likely have many of these apps in your ps list if they are all hanging |
| 07:16.52 | drp2 | nvz: no they return you to the command prompt |
| 07:17.01 | drp2 | nvz: sorry for the confusion |
| 07:17.02 | bluenail | Hey, I'm wanting to get windowmaker with gnome as an option in my gdm sessions menu. Do I need to compile wmaker with gnome support then manualy add the entry, or is there a way to do it with the available .debs? (running sid) |
| 07:17.22 | nvz | drp2: ok so they are crashing with this error, all gtk2 apps. we've correctly identified the problem |
| 07:17.31 | nvz | drp2: are you using sarge? |
| 07:17.57 | drp2 | nvz: yes |
| 07:18.03 | nvz | drp2: even better if you could paste your sources.list into a pastebin for us |
| 07:18.20 | drp2 | ok hang on a sec |
| 07:18.32 | nvz | drp2: when is the last time you have run apt-get update? apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:19.04 | drp2 | nvz: apt-get update today, apt-get upgrade sometime last week |
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| 07:19.45 | nvz | drp2: so did you install many things today? and is this a new problem today? i.e. all gtk2 apps were working as expected yesturday? |
| 07:20.24 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: is there a way of confirming PHP is installed? |
| 07:20.31 | Jeeves_Moss | dewi: my PHP pagers won't show. |
| 07:21.08 | Jeeves_Moss | deadcat: do you know a simple way of making a cron job to run every 15 mins? |
| 07:21.44 | Dwonis | Jeeves_Moss: */15 in the "minutes" column |
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| 07:21.53 | pabs3 | bp7: depends on how fast yr net connection is. I'd recommend keeping it on slow dsl |
| 07:22.08 | Jeeves_Moss | dwonis: sorry, I'm new to Linux, so I'm going to need more info than that. |
| 07:22.21 | nvz | drp2: the package in question here you are getting the error message about is libgtk2.0-0-dbg in sarge, its the GTK+ library debugging symbols package |
| 07:22.23 | bp7 | pabs3: so I just place them back and dpkg sees tem ? |
| 07:22.36 | Dwonis | Jeeves_Moss: man 5 crontab |
| 07:22.45 | bp7 | s/tem/them/ |
| 07:22.58 | lpb-oberon | vim /etc/crontab |
| 07:23.09 | pabs3 | bp7: apt-get will decide that you have already downloaded them |
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| 07:23.15 | bp7 | cool. |
| 07:23.27 | drp2 | nvz: yes |
| 07:23.35 | lpb-oberon | Jeeves_Moss: man 5 crontab |
| 07:23.45 | drp2 | nvz: all apps were working earlier today |
| 07:23.46 | nvz | drp2: I would like to consider looking at your sources list and any recent installs you have made to rule out some obvious things before further debugging to find possible hardware or software problems |
| 07:24.20 | bp7 | this will be a very useful backup. Since I seem to use software from almost all cds =\ |
| 07:24.36 | drp2 | nvz: I recently installed ndiswrapper(from source), wireless-tools(from source) and kismet(via apt-get) |
| 07:24.50 | nvz | drp2: so if you could get me your sources.list and a breif idea of what you may have installed from apt-get recently. also telling me about any foreign packages, tarballs, or compiles you may have done or things as root |
| 07:26.00 | drp2 | nvz: I did create a symbolic link when i was trying to get my wireless network card installed/configured |
| 07:26.12 | drp2 | nvz: but it had nothing to do with that library |
| 07:26.44 | nvz | drp2: ok did you build as root? |
| 07:27.02 | nvz | drp2: if you didnt build as root its almost certain this had nothing to do with it |
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| 07:27.13 | drp2 | nvz: oops |
| 07:27.38 | drp2 | nvz: I might have built as root on accident ... it'd be a first but I think I may have |
| 07:27.39 | nvz | drp2: building as root wont fuck anything up for sure.. but it could if you make a mistake or someone else did |
| 07:27.53 | nvz | drp2: its better not to, and use fakeroot if needed to avoid problems |
| 07:28.42 | nvz | drp2: installing kismet had nothing to do with this, its not gtk2. if you have all debian sources you should not have a package conflict or a tainted system in that respect |
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| 07:29.22 | nvz | drp2: can we rule out installing anything foreign through apt, or installing something that upgraded the gtk2 libs? |
| 07:30.01 | nvz | drp2: I would move on to checking for corruption of the lib, hardware problems, and further debugging the software looking for a cause of the crash |
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| 07:32.16 | nvz | drp2: I would use a checksum to verify the condition of the package/files and maybe even verify that the /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.* files exist still. then maybe try installing strace and/or gnome debugging tools and proceed to further debug one of the gtk2 apps |
| 07:32.33 | bp7 | I write dpkg -l|grep ii to get the installed package list, but I want to get a list of the exact names of installed deb packages, should I try it with sed or is there an easy way? |
| 07:32.36 | scx | Someone you know a sort of Xoops or Drupal for PostgreSQL ??? -Please sai yes- |
| 07:32.38 | nvz | drp2: have you tried running gtk2 apps as another user or only your user? |
| 07:33.11 | drp2 | nvz: I did check if that library was there ... it is |
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| 07:35.32 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: run a simple phpinfo script; if apache tries to server you the source make sure that the AddHandler and, well, everything mentioning php in the config files under /etc/apache2 are not commented out, stuff like that |
| 07:35.43 | Dewi | Jeeves_Moss: sorry I can't be more specific |
| 07:35.45 | Dwonis | dvp2, nvz: Apparently g_object_compat_control comes from glib 2.8.5. My guess is that drp2 is mixing incompatible glib and gtk2 libraries (it could be a dependency bug in the package(s)) |
| 07:35.52 | nvz | drp2: what does md5sum /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.600.4 say? |
| 07:36.11 | Dwonis | dvp2, nvz: On my system, "grep g_object_compat_control /usr/lib/*.so* /usr/X11R6/lib/*.so*" returns nothing |
| 07:36.21 | Dwonis | dvp2, nvz: and gtk2 apps work fine |
| 07:36.31 | nvz | Dwonis: the lib is in /usr/lib/ |
| 07:36.49 | Dwonis | nvz: look closer, I checked there as well |
| 07:36.52 | nvz | Dwonis: the problem may be local configuration is what I am thinking if nothing has changed |
| 07:37.12 | drp2 | nvz: i don't have libgtk*0.600.4 |
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| 07:37.25 | drp2 | I have 800.10 |
| 07:37.36 | nvz | drp2: ls -l /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 ? |
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| 07:37.44 | nvz | where does it point? |
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| 07:38.16 | drp2 | to libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.800.10 |
| 07:38.27 | nvz | drp2: maybe your package is newer.. I dont have libgtk2.0-0-dbg installed... but I have 36a95cd9db9cd623ffb0d158eb5189a8 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.600.4 |
| 07:39.01 | nvz | drp2: I would rule out local config problems by trying with a different user then running strace |
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| 07:39.48 | drp2 | nvz: ok i'll try a different user |
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| 07:41.39 | nvz | I have many gtk2 apps, I dont know why I have to install 3 of these packages.. you would think I already have them |
| 07:41.41 | drp2 | nvz: I just tried it as a different user ... same thing |
| 07:42.14 | nvz | drp2: well then its not configuration it seems. I would try strace the program to see what happens to it |
| 07:42.38 | nvz | drp2: I am installing that package to see if I pull in that lib you have, and maybe if I inherit this issue |
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| 07:43.08 | drp2 | nvz: thanks for spending all this time to help ... I appreciate it |
| 07:43.23 | nvz | drp2: its nearly 3am, I havent shit to do |
| 07:44.44 | nvz | drp2: so this happens with _all_ gtk2 apps even firefox? |
| 07:44.51 | drp2 | nvz: what should i be looking for in the strace (does this stand for stack trace) |
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| 07:45.12 | nvz | drp2: signal trace |
| 07:45.17 | drp2 | nvz: yes including firefox |
| 07:45.19 | nvz | drp2: intercepts the kernel calls |
| 07:45.42 | nvz | drp2: if you learn how to read kernel signals, you will be a better debugger |
| 07:46.20 | nvz | drp2: its not real hard once you learn what to read and how to read it.. it uses a lot of id numbers and hex addresses |
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| 07:46.33 | nvz | drp2: you are looking for what caused it to crash |
| 07:46.57 | drp2 | well it pretty much says the same error at the end of the output as what I showed earlier |
| 07:46.59 | nvz | drp2: before it sent the call to display that error to stdout or stderr something happened it didnt like |
| 07:47.25 | Dwonis | nvz: Is this still the dynamic linker error? I don't think strace will show anything useful |
| 07:47.25 | drp2 | it was on a writev call |
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| 07:48.01 | nvz | Dwonis: all his gtk2 apps are suddenly crashing, with an error about debugging symbols is all he got I am digging for more info |
| 07:48.26 | nvz | Dwonis: its not a configuration problem or package contamination.. so there has to be some explanation |
| 07:48.26 | Dwonis | I suspect that it's a mismatch between glib and gtk2 versions. I'd try downgrading glib or upgrading gtk2 |
| 07:48.52 | Dwonis | nvz: It looks like g_object_compat_control is no longer present in recent versions of glib |
| 07:49.06 | nvz | I asked for his sources.list to rule out package contamination he never posted it. |
| 07:49.09 | Dwonis | nvz: (glib 2, that is) |
| 07:49.17 | nvz | that was my first guess.. a version mismatch |
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| 07:49.37 | nvz | corruption and configuration problems would be my next guesses |
| 07:50.00 | drp2 | nvz: what are you looking for in my sources |
| 07:50.26 | drp2 | nvz: it's kind of a pain right now for me to post it ... i'm rdestop'd into a windows machine |
| 07:50.32 | grandma | gah, kaffeine isn't in testing |
| 07:50.40 | nvz | drp2: looking to see what your sources are, so I know if you got the same packages as me. and you didnt have like marrillat or something in there that has unofficial gtklibs |
| 07:50.42 | Dwonis | nvz: I think it's the version mismatch. There isn't *anything* on my system (a mix of testing and unstable) that references g_object_compat_control. I really doubt it's a configuration issue |
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| 07:51.45 | nvz | Dwonis: yeah well he's supposedly using sarge with all official sources.. and he says the apps worked today.. he compile ndiswrapper and wireless tools for his card, and installed kismet from apt-get, and now all gtk2 apps crash unexpectedly with a symbol error |
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| 07:52.41 | nvz | Dwonis: so if he didnt install anything requring gtk to have pulled in more or newer libs, and he didnt upgrade, and logging in and trying as another user rules out a config problem.. how did he suddenly get a version mismatch I wonder |
| 07:52.54 | nvz | Dwonis: or is it that what he did today could have somehow changed glib or something |
| 07:53.22 | nvz | Dwonis: I never considered that.. maybe its not gtk libs that changed, it was the system libs that got effected and its only showing up as a problem with gtk2 |
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| 07:54.15 | nvz | if his sources list is legit, the only way he could have gotten something in there thats not compatible is by installing it manually.. and he says all he did was build ndiswrapper and wireless-tools *shrug* |
| 07:54.29 | nvz | someone is full of shit here :P |
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| 07:55.07 | nvz | you;re either not telling me something highly relevant or you are lying |
| 07:55.26 | drp2 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/bPrCqA98.html |
| 07:55.31 | drp2 | that is my sources.list |
| 07:55.48 | Dwonis | "deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free" ? |
| 07:56.02 | nvz | AHA! |
| 07:56.07 | nvz | not that.. but |
| 07:56.23 | nvz | the last 3 lines |
| 07:56.26 | drp2 | I think i used that when i installed blackdown |
| 07:56.27 | jm_ | it's horribly fucked up in general ;) |
| 07:56.44 | nvz | unofficial url, testing binary, and unstable source |
| 07:56.54 | nvz | you got a tainted system |
| 07:56.55 | drp2 | I got it from someone else |
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| 07:57.16 | nvz | drp2: dpkg -L libc6 |
| 07:57.25 | nvz | lets see what distro you are closest to running here |
| 07:57.57 | jm_ | -l not -L |
| 07:57.59 | drp2 | you want me to post all that output to the paste site |
| 07:58.02 | nvz | yeah |
| 07:58.04 | nvz | heh |
| 07:58.09 | nvz | drp2: dpkg -l, sorry |
| 07:58.18 | nvz | drp2: just version number is what I wanted |
| 07:58.30 | drp2 | 2.3.5-8 |
| 07:58.33 | nvz | !info libc6 etch |
| 07:58.38 | jm_ | that's Etch |
| 07:58.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 07:58.52 | cunakya | i'm having problems with mouse support on an i1400 thinkpad (the red eraser head mouse.) any ideas on how to set xf86config? |
| 07:58.56 | nvz | drp2: you need to modify your sources.list and change it to a legitimate debian sources.list for etch, and dist-upgrade |
| 07:59.07 | nvz | drp2: is your best bet, or reinstall sarge |
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| 07:59.31 | drp2 | nvz: is there a sources list I can steal from somewhere |
| 07:59.35 | nvz | drp2: you have already unknowingly pulled in core packages from another distro and have a bastardized version of debian that is not supported. |
| 07:59.49 | nvz | drp2: just rm it |
| 07:59.58 | nvz | drp2: where are you from? |
| 08:00.10 | nvz | drp2: all you need is one line a local debian mirror for testing |
| 08:00.13 | drp2 | nvz: geographic location? |
| 08:00.24 | drp2 | nvz: indiana |
| 08:01.19 | nvz | drp2: hmm.. not sure of one in that area.. I know of ones in CA, TX, and PA.. not sure where all the US mirrors are. I am using mirrors.kernel.org right now.. not sure where its located though |
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| 08:03.48 | bucky | indiana ? progeny! |
| 08:05.38 | nvz | drp2: bottom of this page has a list of mirrors http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list, bucky suggested "deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" |
| 08:05.57 | bucky | deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 08:05.59 | nvz | drp2: that would be a complete and suitable sources.list for you on etch |
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| 08:06.09 | nvz | then you could apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:06.43 | nvz | drp2: hopefully your system would be working then, you would no longer be using stable, but you werent using stable anyhow.. you were mixing |
| 08:07.05 | nvz | you probably have been using etch for a long time.. as apt prefers newer versions |
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| 08:08.02 | italy | damn |
| 08:08.02 | italy | i did rm -rf /* :( |
| 08:08.02 | italy | stupid fucks in #gentoo |
| 08:08.14 | jamez77 | are there any msn clients that can support video ? |
| 08:08.51 | nvz | drp2: you probably installed build tools when building your ndiswrapper that pulled in newer libc or glib libraries from etch today, that made it incompatible with your version of gtk libs is probably what happened |
| 08:09.02 | italy | there goes all my shit |
| 08:09.02 | italy | fucking monopoly code |
| 08:09.22 | italy | all gone |
| 08:09.22 | drp2 | nvz: thanks ... i'm updating my sources.list now |
| 08:09.27 | nvz | drp2: I hope you are familiar with the bts, you will need to be filing bugs with your problems in the future |
| 08:09.56 | nvz | drp2: you may have to reinstall sarge at some point if you cant handle running a testing distro that can fuck up without notice. |
| 08:09.59 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:09.59 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:10.12 | nvz | drp2: might help to install apt-listbugs to help you avoid installing packages with known issues |
| 08:10.19 | Dwonis | !popcorn |
| 08:10.35 | drp2 | nvz: I know what it is but have never used it |
| 08:10.36 | jamez77 | are there any msn clients that can support video ? |
| 08:11.02 | nvz | drp2: may also want bugbuddy or reportbug to help you filing bugs, and maybe busybox-static and other things you may need to use as a life perserver in the future |
| 08:11.09 | Dwonis | jamez77: Not yet, as far as I know. gaim is working on it, but it won't be out for a while |
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| 08:11.15 | maverick | hi |
| 08:11.27 | drp2 | nvz: I'm getting pretty slow speeds from that server |
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| 08:11.47 | maverick | i get E: Broken packages when i do an apt-get install libpostgis1-pg74 |
| 08:11.50 | nvz | drp2: you could try another. or install apt-spy to find you a good mirror |
| 08:11.50 | maverick | why? |
| 08:11.55 | drp2 | nvz: but i've already started teh dist-upgrade |
| 08:12.01 | jamez77 | Dwonis, amazing that no IM client has support for video |
| 08:12.14 | nvz | drp2: stopping now and getting a faster one would be easier than waiting for a slow one :P |
| 08:12.30 | dna_ | jamez77, I wonder when one will have support hehe |
| 08:12.43 | nvz | drp2: I am not getting great speeds from kernel.org for my mirror, but I think its just my network, cause irc has been lagging too |
| 08:12.44 | Dwonis | jamez77: It's not really surprising. Video is somewhat complicated, very patented, and Microsoft doesn't have a habit of releasing useful protocol information. |
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| 08:12.58 | prodope_ | can anyone recommend a window manager for a p1 133, with 96mb ram? |
| 08:13.00 | pabs3 | anyone know what version of openoffice is in sarge? |
| 08:13.21 | nvz | prodope_: what are you looking for out of your graphical experience? |
| 08:13.22 | jamez77 | Dwonis, i thought there was one clinet that was able to do videos over msn |
| 08:13.25 | jamez77 | but i forgot the name of it |
| 08:13.41 | maverick | can anyone help me with this?? i get E: Broken packages when i do an apt-get install libpostgis1-pg74 |
| 08:13.56 | prodope | nvz: never used any... always been on console |
| 08:14.05 | prodope | nvz: decided it was time to try :) |
| 08:14.24 | Dwonis | jamez77: Well let's see, there's gaim, kopete, kmess... I don't know much else |
| 08:14.25 | nvz | prodope: whats important to you? configuration? keyboard control? user-defined commands? icons on the root window? a filemanager? task list? |
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| 08:14.29 | nvz | prodope: are you used to console? |
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| 08:14.48 | prodope | nvz: it's all i'm comfortable with, really |
| 08:14.57 | Dwonis | jamez77: If you find out, I'd like to know :) |
| 08:15.09 | jamez77 | i know it was quite big |
| 08:15.23 | nvz | prodope: try ion3 |
| 08:15.28 | nvz | prodope: its like console for X |
| 08:15.43 | nvz | prodope: really keyboard friendly for people who dont like that mouse |
| 08:16.17 | prodope | nvz: cool... i'll check it out |
| 08:16.17 | nvz | prodope: you may have to configure it to your liking, but its a tabbed based keyboard-driven wm |
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| 08:16.28 | prodope | nvz: sounds good |
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| 08:17.36 | dood | hi guys, could you tell me where the contents of the debian menu are kept please? |
| 08:17.49 | nvz | prodope: makes it feel like console, while giving you the ability to run X clients |
| 08:17.53 | Dwonis | dood: /usr/lib/menu, IIRC |
| 08:17.58 | dood | cheers |
| 08:18.12 | nvz | dood: menu package, updates that automatically when installed |
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| 08:18.35 | dood | yeah i've got an app that installed itself but had no uninstall |
| 08:18.41 | dood | so i need to take them out myself |
| 08:18.48 | nvz | dood: I would read the documentation on that before messing with anything. there are menu methods for each meno that is updated each time you install something |
| 08:19.06 | Dwonis | wtf: "striptease.pl: Strip down the Pth source tree to its minimum" |
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| 08:19.23 | nvz | dood: so any modifications to the menus without doing it properly will be overwritten by update-menus next time you install somehting or run it |
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| 08:19.33 | dood | oh right, i get you |
| 08:20.17 | nvz | the only menus it wont touch are those stored locally in users home dirs |
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| 08:21.02 | dood | so do i use the menu command to purge entries? |
| 08:21.11 | nvz | you can optionally use your own menus overriding the menu package. Its advised that you "include" the system menus generated by menu into your menu.. getting the best of both worlds, your own menu you can customize and change at will, and a automagic generated one as well |
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| 08:21.24 | nvz | there is no menu command that I know of, just a menu package |
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| 08:21.42 | nvz | and I dont offhand know how to use it properly.. thats why I recommend reading the documentation |
| 08:21.49 | dood | you see, i just need to delete an entry from the menu but i'm having no luck finding out how |
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| 08:21.52 | dood | =( |
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| 08:21.55 | nvz | in /usr/share/menu/ |
| 08:22.03 | nvz | er /usr/share/doc/menu/ |
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| 08:23.25 | dood | from what i understand from the docs, files in /usr/lib/menu are passed to install-menu |
| 08:23.27 | nvz | dood: maybe man 5 menufile, will help understand how the system works? |
| 08:23.57 | nvz | dood: sounds about right.. I think you cannot remove entries, only modify the menufile and then reinstall the menufile |
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| 08:24.24 | bp7_ | I need a few recommendations on how to transfer cellphone pictures to pc using bluetooth with whatever debian provides |
| 08:24.48 | tarzeau | what's /etc/adjtime good for, i can't find a manual page for it |
| 08:24.51 | nvz | dood: from my understanding each menu-method generates a different menu for a different program, but there is like a master menu file somewhere.. though like I said, I dont think you can just edit it manually. |
| 08:25.27 | nvz | dood: usually you are supposed to make your own menu to override the system ones, in your home, and if there is a problem with the system menu you file a bug agains the package that messed up the menu |
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| 08:26.48 | nvz | it can also be used as a usb SD Drive :P |
| 08:27.20 | dood | right, i got that sorted. thanks for the direction nvz, peace |
| 08:27.29 | dingus9 | whats a good debian based distro with x11 that would run on a 266 PII laptop 64 megs ram |
| 08:27.40 | nvz | umm, dont forget to file a bug.. |
| 08:27.47 | nvz | something tells me he wont file a bug |
| 08:28.11 | sep | dingus9, debian. |
| 08:28.43 | bucky | dingus9, damn small linux |
| 08:29.08 | bp7_ | debian has laptop-detect or something. That might come in handy together with xresprobe it provides to get your graphics up and going. |
| 08:29.16 | nvz | for a minute there I thought I had no way to test these batteries I had laying around.. but this mp3 player is useful for something I already determined one is dead, one is near full, one is more than half full.. would be nice to know where my multimeter is so I could get a accurate reading |
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| 08:29.50 | dingus9 | i tried damn dsl but I keep getting a kernel panic right after cpu detection. however it will (slowly) run knoppix 4 |
| 08:30.16 | nvz | there is barely even a load generated by this mp3 player.. using it as a battery tester could be highly innacurate |
| 08:30.17 | sep | nvz, that's hy you have 1 good multimeter, and 5 cheap ones so you can have one in your car, one at work, one in your computer room, on in the kitchen... etc etc |
| 08:30.17 | bucky | some distros don't like pII |
| 08:30.29 | dingus9 | ahh |
| 08:30.48 | bp7_ | most boxes run knoppix4, you just don't realize that they do |
| 08:30.57 | nvz | sep: I want to get one of them good ones like mechanics use.. big rubberized case, long wires.. digital display. |
| 08:31.03 | dingus9 | I can get around it by booting failsafe but then it doesn't load needed hdd modules |
| 08:31.37 | dingus9 | could it be the 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:32.02 | bucky | dingus9, i'd run woody |
| 08:32.26 | dvm | I send report bugs, In the 'debian-reference-en' section 3.1.6 there are noted to run 'pager /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian', i have not this but well '/usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz'. Is a binairy file, so some troubles to view it with less. Can someone help me, so i can report it ? |
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| 08:33.02 | sep | i see from the logs that postfix bounces some mail, but postmaster dont seam to get a copy from just this bounce how can i figure out the reason for the bounces ? |
| 08:33.11 | dvm | I look for a other thing than 'less' to read the compressed file |
| 08:33.16 | bp7_ | dvm: vim should be able to view it |
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| 08:33.28 | pabs3 | dvm: or zless |
| 08:33.29 | k31th | Morning |
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| 08:33.42 | dingus9 | my other problem with a straight deb install is the apckage sellection at the beginning I don't want to install gdm but... when I try to install another wm like xdm or kdm the X11 doesn't config right |
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| 08:34.05 | bp7_ | or tar xf thefile|less |
| 08:34.09 | dvm | great great great, both works :-) thx i send a report ;-) |
| 08:34.14 | bp7_ | er zxf |
| 08:34.30 | dvm | bp7, pabs3 : thx ;-) |
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| 08:35.05 | nvz | I wonder if I make a decent cell phone game in python if I can find someone to write a J2ME MIDp client for it. I would like to be able to play offline and online.. but I dont want to learn J2ME really.. I was just gonna make a Python app that communicats through WAP CGI using apache and make a WML interface :P |
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| 08:39.47 | tarzeau | !tarzeau |
| 08:39.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, tarzeau is http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 08:41.55 | deadcat | tarzeau: he dude. havent seen you here in a while i think |
| 08:42.10 | tarzeau | deadcat: heh, haven't been here for a while :) |
| 08:42.19 | deadcat | busy? |
| 08:42.36 | tarzeau | deadcat: women, snow, work and stuff |
| 08:42.44 | deadcat | nice |
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| 08:43.14 | tarzeau | and i've got a really nice game in nethack! surrounded by 4 dragons in fort ludios |
| 08:43.28 | deadcat | no clue what that is. (= |
| 08:43.38 | tarzeau | deadcat: you don't know #nethack and www.nethack.org ? |
| 08:43.43 | tarzeau | !nethack |
| 08:43.43 | dpkg | from memory, nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
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| 08:43.50 | deadcat | nope. only heard of the name |
| 08:44.52 | nvz | I want to make an online multiplayer tycoon game kind of like the old dopewars but better, that can be played from mobile java/wap enabled cell phones, and pc.. where NPC's, Web, and WAP users can all play simulatiously :P |
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| 08:45.42 | TiCPU | any idea why having LABEL=swap1 in my fstab instead of /dev/sda5 won't mount it, I formatted using mkswap -L swap1 /dev/sda5 swapon LABEL=swap1 won't work neither |
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| 08:46.13 | nvz | I think I will give the player the option of being a cop or a dealer, and the junkies and everyone else will be computer NPCs |
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| 08:47.07 | nvz | that way the market and the police coverage will be determined by the human presence on the server |
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| 08:48.07 | tugrussel | there is something using port 80 on my server and it doesnt allow apache to run (port 80 already in use) netstat -pnt | grep :80 shows its making out connections to various weird sites and in the PID only a '-' is shown. Recently I detected a virus on my sytem and removed it with clamav but now I cannot manage to get rid of this thing can anyone give me a solution |
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| 08:49.11 | Dewi | tugrussel: run netstat as root |
| 08:49.18 | Dewi | tugrussel: then you shouldn't see a '-' |
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| 08:49.26 | Zugschlus | tugrussel: use netstat -anp as root |
| 08:49.34 | Zugschlus | and only look for lines saying LISTEN |
| 08:49.39 | Dewi | yeah. |
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| 08:50.35 | tugrussel | nothing |
| 08:51.09 | tugrussel | nothing strange except zbind |
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| 08:51.56 | slug | hello all |
| 08:52.00 | Ayman- | how did mercurycase@mercurycase.com get into postfix's queue while smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_auth_destination reject and mercurycase.com is not a relay or my domain |
| 08:52.05 | nvz | I think I may have to make this J2ME on the phone and make a client for the PC as well and use sockets.. the post/get cgi method severly limits my methods of sync and thus how the players can interact on the server. |
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| 08:52.41 | nvz | I guess I should look up some good documentation and find some tools that run on linux |
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| 08:53.11 | slug | is there a good enlightenment 17 debian package somewhere? |
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| 08:53.51 | slug | i have installed rm17 via apt-get but must say its very very unstable wondering if there a some little more stable versions out there? |
| 08:54.20 | deadcat | slug: yes |
| 08:54.23 | deadcat | !e17 |
| 08:54.24 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
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| 08:54.52 | deadcat | shit. i forgot. but Gnea uses e17 and have the .deb |
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| 08:55.13 | deadcat | !list e17 |
| 08:55.14 | nvz | he was here like 4+ hours ago |
| 08:55.16 | tech9iner | eh mates.. |
| 08:55.24 | nvz | list what? vals? keys? |
| 08:55.34 | deadcat | i dont know how to search the bots for e17 related stuff |
| 08:55.40 | tech9iner | any late niters up n familiar with damnsmalllinux perchance?.. ;]] |
| 08:55.41 | deadcat | nvz: i dont know |
| 08:55.47 | streuner_ | listvals |
| 08:55.49 | deadcat | tarzeau: #dsl |
| 08:55.55 | deadcat | tech9iner: ^^ |
| 08:55.57 | streuner_ | seach the contents - listvals |
| 08:56.09 | deadcat | !listvals e17 |
| 08:56.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e17' by value (5): e17 ;; reporting bugs ;; efm ;; e17cvs ;; 2.2.13pre17. |
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| 08:57.06 | tech9iner | deadcat: eh mate?.. |
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| 08:57.37 | deadcat | tech9iner: #dsl for damn small linux |
| 08:57.44 | deadcat | mate |
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| 08:58.33 | tech9iner | really now.. ever popped into .. ahem.. #dsl have ye deadcat rofl |
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| 08:58.49 | deadcat | tech9iner: no. why should i |
| 08:59.03 | tech9iner | 'dead'end deadcat |
| 08:59.22 | tech9iner | dsl's channels at #damnsmalllinux guv |
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| 08:59.28 | deadcat | whatever buddy. but you aint getting damnsmalllinux help here for sure |
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| 08:59.57 | bp7_ | let's say I went insane and decided to remove all configuration files from all packages which are currently not installed. Which way would be easy? |
| 09:00.19 | tech9iner | ahh.. funny.. not.. not the first time ive chatted bout dsl here.. but thanks for the hall pass lol |
| 09:00.41 | streuner_ | bp7_: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 09:00.46 | deadcat | bp7_: dpkg --get-selections |grep deinstall | awk '{print $1}' | xargs dpkg -P SHOULD do it |
| 09:01.04 | tech9iner | and since dsl converts to deb.. go figure |
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| 09:01.22 | nvz | fuck.. why the hell would they make a pair of speakers you cannot open without destroying :P |
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| 09:01.56 | d4d0|work | hi there |
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| 09:02.07 | d4d0|work | what would be the right package to get php4 extensions? |
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| 09:02.29 | deadcat | d4d0|work: apt-cache search php4 |
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| 09:02.36 | d4d0|work | deadcat: im doint that |
| 09:02.42 | d4d0|work | deadcat: thats why i ask |
| 09:02.47 | d4d0|work | doing* |
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| 09:02.56 | deadcat | then i dont know |
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| 09:02.58 | scx | poor cat |
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| 09:03.07 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: if you use apache2 that lib-seomthing thingy |
| 09:03.28 | d4d0|work | fireba11: lib-something? not php4-something? |
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| 09:04.51 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:05.10 | d4d0|work | fireba11: thanks |
| 09:05.15 | d4d0|work | im curious, i have that already |
| 09:05.28 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: that's the pre-build that should contain everything needed |
| 09:06.11 | d4d0|work | fireba11: then my fault must lay somewhere else. |
| 09:06.11 | bp7_ | deadcat: yeah. And |grep warning added the salt |
| 09:06.27 | deadcat | bp7_: ? |
| 09:06.38 | bp7_ | to remove directories which could not be removed and gave warnings |
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| 09:07.33 | drp2 | nvz: I did the dist-upgrade but to no avail |
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| 09:07.40 | slug | have a nother question, guess this is the latest version here --> http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/ , in the discription it tells me to compile in a prearranged order, what is about the rest *entrance, epeg, epsilon aso.... can i compile the rest in a unsorted order? |
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| 09:08.13 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: you checked if it is enabled ? |
| 09:08.16 | deadcat | slug: there are e17 .deb |
| 09:08.37 | slug | deadcat: wondering if it would be more stable if i compile it my self...? |
| 09:08.41 | wam | Hi! When I "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" on sarge, the file /etc/XF86Config-4 is not changed. It seems like dpkg won't touch it for any reason. I also tried to "dpkg -P xserver-xfree86", but the file stayed. Its rights are 644. How can I find out what's wrong? |
| 09:08.53 | deadcat | slug: pretty sure it will be the same. |
| 09:09.27 | slug | deadcat: do u know the link i can download the deb from? |
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| 09:09.38 | jm_ | wam: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 09:09.45 | deadcat | slug: i forgot. Gnea knows but hes away right now |
| 09:09.46 | d4d0|work | fireba11: uhm, no. how can i do that? |
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| 09:10.17 | wam | jm_: Thank you so much! |
| 09:10.20 | deadcat | slug: try #deb http://people.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads e17/ |
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| 09:11.33 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: check that it is linked from /etc/apache2/mods-available to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
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| 09:11.39 | slug | deadcat: thank u will try, at the moment i am already running rm17 but like i mentioned its so damn unstable also entrance and some other would not even install .... |
| 09:11.47 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: that's a really nice change from apache 1.x to 2.x :-) |
| 09:11.59 | nvz | drp2: that sucks. this shit happens when you dont run stable. I would check the bts, then maybe try tracking the bug best you can and filing a bug |
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| 09:12.11 | slug | deadcat: dont know why i always call it rm |
| 09:12.23 | deadcat | whats rm? |
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| 09:13.02 | slug | deadcat: dr17 or e17 i like to call it rm :)) |
| 09:13.07 | slug | dunno why... |
| 09:13.08 | deadcat | oh hahha |
| 09:13.16 | deadcat | whats dr anyway |
| 09:13.28 | slug | true good question... |
| 09:13.53 | deadcat | i tried e long ago. the default scared me. too alien like |
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| 09:16.34 | slug | deadcat: i was using twm only, enlightenment is very simular build up. so i am used to it, also like to get into creating own desktops. have seen some very good custom themes |
| 09:17.15 | ISV-Kran | I ran dr16.....a lot of bugs |
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| 09:18.03 | Zvpun | how can I get a list of installed packeges sorted by biggest install size? |
| 09:18.09 | slug | ISV-Kran: espessialy the file browser if u can call it that |
| 09:18.22 | ISV-Kran | exactly |
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| 09:18.47 | ISV-Kran | it's visually stunning |
| 09:18.54 | ISV-Kran | but... |
| 09:19.04 | ISV-Kran | (sorry for my english) |
| 09:19.17 | slug | ISV-Kran: have to try to drag and drop from file browser it definitely will result in a freez :) |
| 09:19.32 | ISV-Kran | yeah |
| 09:19.34 | slug | it does here |
| 09:19.35 | ISV-Kran | very sad |
| 09:19.36 | slug | :)) |
| 09:20.02 | ISV-Kran | because is the desktop that all human being can dream |
| 09:20.14 | ISV-Kran | but these bugs |
| 09:20.15 | ISV-Kran | :s |
| 09:20.18 | slug | gues in a few years everyone will want it! |
| 09:20.31 | ISV-Kran | i'm now with gnome |
| 09:20.38 | ISV-Kran | but i'm a KDE boy |
| 09:21.50 | slug | i am more the twm fan |
| 09:22.08 | ISV-Kran | twn? |
| 09:22.11 | ISV-Kran | ?! |
| 09:22.13 | d4d0|work | fireba11: i did not migrate from 1.x... there are 5 symlinks in the mods enabled directory (cgi.load,php4.conf,php4.load,userdir.conf,userdir.load) this should be enough? |
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| 09:22.21 | ISV-Kran | don't know it |
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| 09:22.22 | deadcat | just saw some kde 4 screenshot. actually its pretty nice. compare to 3 craps |
| 09:22.30 | slug | yes, its a very very simple desktop if u can call it that |
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| 09:22.50 | ISV-Kran | like xfce? |
| 09:22.58 | slug | hmm dunno xfce |
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| 09:23.06 | ISV-Kran | very light |
| 09:23.07 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: yes |
| 09:23.17 | ISV-Kran | kde 4 pics? |
| 09:23.21 | ISV-Kran | where? |
| 09:23.27 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: how did you try if php worked anyway ? |
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| 09:23.28 | e-doll | ? |
| 09:23.51 | fireba11 | deadcat: please tell us the url :-) |
| 09:23.56 | d4d0|work | fireba11: with a test .php script phpinfo() |
| 09:24.00 | ISV-Kran | :p |
| 09:24.53 | e-doll | ? |
| 09:24.58 | e-doll | hello |
| 09:25.10 | e-doll | e-doll |
| 09:25.12 | ISV-Kran | hello e-doll |
| 09:25.31 | e-doll | ok my name turned yellow |
| 09:25.36 | e-doll | hello |
| 09:25.37 | Zvpun | how can I get a list of installed packeges sorted by biggest install size? Whenever I sort by "installsize" in aptitude all the folders are closed |
| 09:25.46 | ISV-Kran | I must download a beep for the xchat |
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| 09:26.04 | e-doll | wow 763 ppl in here |
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| 09:26.29 | ISV-Kran | robert redford and paul newman on tv |
| 09:27.10 | jm_ | Zvpun: use dpkg-awk or dgrep-ctrl and script-fu |
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| 09:28.13 | tarzeau | deadcat: #dsl ? |
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| 09:28.37 | madbull | hi does anyone have any experience with vlans on debian? |
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| 09:28.44 | deadcat | tarzeau: that was for some other moron... (= |
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| 09:28.56 | e-doll | anyone here have the xten sip phone? |
| 09:28.57 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: hm .. check logs .. there should not be anything else needed ... |
| 09:28.59 | tarzeau | deadcat: ah |
| 09:29.00 | epsilon | !anyone |
| 09:29.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 09:31.38 | madbull | i am trying to setup vlans using the interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 09:31.56 | madbull | i've tried using vconfig manually it just doesn't seem to work as expected |
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| 09:32.56 | linoleum | hi guys, I got a big problem today, I lauchn my debian, and I cannot connect with KDE, because it tells me that it cannot write on the /tmp ... and so, I made a # df and I saw that my / is full !! what's wrong?? how can I see what I sould remove? |
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| 09:33.28 | fireba11 | linoleum: use du -sh * to see where the space went |
| 09:33.38 | Ayman- | linoleum, du -sch /* |
| 09:33.47 | jm_ | du -sk *|sort -n |
| 09:33.50 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 09:34.02 | madbull | linoleum, u should try and use seperate partitions for your ddata |
| 09:34.12 | fireba11 | there's always a better way to du it i guess *g* |
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| 09:35.01 | epsilon | or just tell us the output of df |
| 09:35.58 | mgoetze | or df -hT |
| 09:36.12 | mgoetze | since there's always a better way to df it, too ;) |
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| 09:36.27 | fireba11 | guess his system is busy doing one of the du commands right now ;-) |
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| 09:36.54 | vyrus001 | anybody here ever use an AWLL3026 on linux? ive downloaded, compiled, and installed the driver fine... and when the usb wifi card is pluged in, my computer finds the device fine... however if i atempt to access it in any way... my keybord shuts down compleatly? |
| 09:36.55 | linoleum | madbull: I do : I got 1 partition for / , one for /home, and one for /mnt/data ... so that's why I am very suprised today :) |
| 09:37.07 | bushwakko | hey, I'm making a deb-pkg of a java-project, any tips? |
| 09:37.14 | e-doll | . |
| 09:37.34 | e-doll | bushwakko are you an admin or a voice in here? |
| 09:37.43 | e-doll | im just wondering about my colors |
| 09:37.49 | epsilon | du on / is deadly :/ |
| 09:38.10 | fireba11 | epsilon: takes about 5 minutes on 300 GB of data .. not that bad |
| 09:38.13 | epsilon | if you have mounted something via LAN like SMB or NFS... good night |
| 09:38.18 | fireba11 | epsilon: lol |
| 09:38.19 | d4d0|work | with a 6GB RAM server, how much swap would you suggest? (i hope NOT 12 GB) |
| 09:38.36 | linoleum | well , there is 11 GB under /var : 1,2GB in /var/cache and 9 GB(!!) in /var/log ... well, what should I do now?? |
| 09:38.44 | epsilon | fireba11: time depends on number of files |
| 09:39.05 | fireba11 | linoleum: i suggest looking what exactly in /var/log takes up several gigs |
| 09:39.14 | linoleum | fireba11: ok , I'm checking |
| 09:39.17 | fireba11 | epsilon: that is with LOADS of small files already |
| 09:39.46 | epsilon | linoleum: don't you have logrotate runing to rotate + del logs? |
| 09:39.56 | fireba11 | linoleum: since /var/log shound't be over 2 gigs usually |
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| 09:40.24 | d4d0|work | anybody? |
| 09:40.38 | fireba11 | epsilon: of course having something mounted over LAN is another story |
| 09:40.42 | muerd | anybody with ati |
| 09:40.43 | madbull | fireba11, /var/log 2gigs is quite a lot for a domestic user |
| 09:40.43 | epsilon | 2gigs log? That must be a high load server |
| 09:40.58 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: 3 GB amybe .. |
| 09:41.10 | epsilon | in soho environment /var/log shouldn't be more than 50MB something |
| 09:41.12 | d4d0|work | ok thanks |
| 09:41.25 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: if it needs to swap seriously it's getting really slow anyway |
| 09:41.27 | chemaja | (OT) pop-quiz for any/all australian users: to which broadband ISP/plan do you subscribe? i'm about to purchase iinet, and am looking for feedback/advice (i'm browsing whirlpool.net.au as we 'speak') |
| 09:41.39 | fireba11 | d4d0|work: depends a bit on what you want to do with the box of course |
| 09:41.51 | linoleum | well , I got : 3,1G for kern.log, 3,1G for message and 3,1 for syslog ... what should I do now??? |
| 09:42.07 | epsilon | linoleum: do you have LOGROTATE running? |
| 09:42.19 | fireba11 | linoleum: okay .. first .. what debian version do you have ? is logrotate still running ? |
| 09:42.36 | linoleum | epsilon: well, I really dont know, I have never installed logrotate, I have juste made an installation of sarge then sid |
| 09:43.07 | linoleum | ok logrotate is installed , but how can I check if it's running as a daemon? |
| 09:43.07 | fireba11 | linoleum: sarge default got logrotate running and it deletes old logfiles so they shouldn't grow to that size at all |
| 09:43.10 | epsilon | logrotate is installed by default... do you have rotated logfiles, like "kern.log.0, kern.log.1.gz" |
| 09:43.12 | epsilon | ? |
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| 09:44.03 | linoleum | yes I got it epsilon : I got kern.log kern.log.0 kern.log.1 , etc ... |
| 09:44.08 | linoleum | same for syslog |
| 09:44.30 | linoleum | but kern.log and syslog are both 3,1G |
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| 09:44.39 | epsilon | linoleum: output of "head /var/log/kern.log"? |
| 09:45.01 | madbull_ | anyone have any expereince with vlans on linux/debian? |
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| 09:45.41 | epsilon | linoleum: I need the first line of this output with the date |
| 09:45.58 | linoleum | epsilon: I cannot copy it, as I am in console, but it's juste few line (about 10 lines)... I dont understand why it is 3,1 G |
| 09:46.20 | epsilon | linoleum: I need the date when the log of this file started. not the content |
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| 09:46.23 | linoleum | epsilon: jan 15 |
| 09:46.55 | epsilon | hm, kern.log should rotate once a week? |
| 09:47.23 | apikoros | hey -- is there any easy way to have a program run on a remote machine but on a local terminal (i.e. not an ssh terminal).. i like SSHing to my server and having it download torrents for me, but the client is killed if i close the connection. i know about nohup, but it's ugly and sometimes doesn't work for curses-based apps (like bittorrent-curses).. any suggestions? |
| 09:47.29 | fireba11 | epsilon: yes |
| 09:47.35 | epsilon | anyway, 3Gig in 2 weeks is way too much... the kernel want to tell you something. You must find out what it's saying and fix it |
| 09:47.36 | jm_ | apikoros: screen or dtach |
| 09:47.46 | vyrus001 | apikoros: screen |
| 09:47.53 | Teratogen | how do I stop slackware from starting X during bootup (I misconfigured X and now I am getting a blank screen) |
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| 09:48.07 | fireba11 | Teratogen: please note that this is #debian |
| 09:48.10 | apikoros | awesome, this looks like it, thanks jm_ / vyrus001 |
| 09:48.13 | Teratogen | oops |
| 09:48.15 | Teratogen | I mean debian |
| 09:48.15 | vyrus001 | np |
| 09:48.18 | Teratogen | sorry just woke up |
| 09:48.19 | Teratogen | hehe |
| 09:48.27 | Teratogen | let me get more caffeine |
| 09:48.29 | Teratogen | anyway |
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| 09:48.44 | azeem | !nodm |
| 09:48.44 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 09:48.47 | madbull_ | vlans anyone? |
| 09:48.58 | epsilon | linoleum: just read the latest lines with "tail /var/log/kern.log" or keep reading what ther kernel is saying in realtime with "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" |
| 09:49.01 | linoleum | but it's strange : /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog are also 3,1G ... and the first line for message is jan 15 too |
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| 09:49.33 | linoleum | epsilon: maybe it's a logrotate bug ?? I am under sid |
| 09:49.38 | epsilon | linoleum: yes it's a syslog thingy, same output in may files |
| 09:50.25 | epsilon | linoleum: which log will be stored in which log can be seen in "/etc/syslog.conf" - but that not your problem actually |
| 09:50.27 | fireba11 | linoleum: since there is probably a serious problem on that box it gets logged into different logfiles .. that's normal |
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| 09:51.19 | epsilon | linoleum: as I said, read/follow the latest lines of the log and fix your kernel's matter |
| 09:51.40 | eleftherios | when I attempt to install alsa-utils apt warns it will remove gnome, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-volume-manager, hal, and udev. Does anyone understand why is this happening? |
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| 09:52.14 | Teratogen | yah my graphics card gets wedged so that I get a blank screen |
| 09:52.22 | Teratogen | I can't pseudo-tty my way out of it |
| 09:53.04 | Teratogen | no consoles at all |
| 09:53.08 | Teratogen | have to hard boot |
| 09:53.21 | madbull | damn vlans |
| 09:53.25 | Teratogen | is there a way to get out of it while the bootup sequence is running |
| 09:53.30 | Teratogen | to stop it from starting X |
| 09:53.52 | resiak | boot to single-usermode |
| 09:54.00 | resiak | then do as in /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:54.01 | Teratogen | ah, right |
| 09:54.05 | linoleum | ok, so if I understand well, my kern.log is too big because there would be an error that flood ? Am i right? |
| 09:54.07 | eleftherios | resiak, hi :-) |
| 09:54.16 | Teratogen | a /msg ? |
| 09:54.17 | resiak | eleftherios: Hey. Gotta go imbibe Java now... sorry! |
| 09:54.21 | resiak | !tell Teratogen -about nodm |
| 09:54.28 | Teratogen | thanks |
| 09:54.29 | epsilon | linoleum: probably. |
| 09:54.44 | fireba11 | linoleum: most likely |
| 09:55.24 | fireba11 | linoleum: could be things like disk or network errors that pop up a lot and get logged everywhere since they are kernel stuff and considdered seriously |
| 09:55.40 | fireba11 | -ly |
| 09:55.43 | linoleum | hum, my last message was 20 min ago |
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| 09:56.08 | fireba11 | linoleum: of course .. disk run full |
| 09:56.13 | epsilon | linoleum: try "tail -n 100 /var/log/kern.log.0 | less" - that will show you last 100 lines of the log |
| 09:56.14 | linoleum | ho yea :) |
| 09:56.37 | epsilon | eh, "tail -n 100 /var/log/kern.log | less" |
| 09:57.15 | fireba11 | epsilon: all hail the pipe :-) |
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| 09:59.24 | nvz | linoleum: who you calling a ho? |
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| 10:00.11 | linoleum | hum well, I cannot see something wrong. it just seams the last message are from my last boot |
| 10:00.15 | linoleum | nvz: sorry? |
| 10:00.32 | nvz | 04:56 < linoleum> ho yea :) |
| 10:01.00 | epsilon | linoleum: then "less kern.log" |
| 10:01.21 | linoleum | nvz: that's because fireba11 said something really true |
| 10:01.49 | nvz | so this guy calls up his buddy, and he says "hey jeb, minb if I come over and watch da fooball game?" and his friend says "I can't I's laying linoleum" and he says "oh, well she got a friend?" |
| 10:01.56 | nvz | </bad joke> |
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| 10:03.07 | lehel | hello |
| 10:03.33 | nvz | hello |
| 10:03.48 | lehel | Unable to open "/dev/hda" ..i want to mount another hd |
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| 10:04.00 | nvz | lehel: you cant mount hard drives |
| 10:04.07 | nvz | lehel: you can only mount partitions |
| 10:04.08 | fireba11 | lehel: you need to mount partitions |
| 10:04.09 | chemaja | to get an md5 checksom of a CD-ROM's ISO filesystem, could i simply `md5sum /dev/cdrom', or would i have to cat or dd the cdrom to a file and checksum that? |
| 10:04.15 | nvz | lehel: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 10:04.25 | nvz | lehel: try mounting one of the partitions listed |
| 10:04.32 | lehel | nothing listed ;\ |
| 10:04.42 | epsilon | then your drive is not hda |
| 10:04.48 | nvz | lehel: then there are no partitions or your drive is not hda |
| 10:04.49 | epsilon | try hdb, hdc, hdd |
| 10:05.02 | nvz | lehel: dmesg | grep hd, might help you |
| 10:05.02 | streuner_ | just run 'fdisk -l' |
| 10:05.08 | chemaja | i want to compare the md5sum of the CD-ROM's ISO filesystem with the md5 of the ISO file which created it |
| 10:05.09 | nvz | that too |
| 10:05.24 | lehel | got it.. it's hdd |
| 10:05.34 | threat | just run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda :P (actually please dont run it) |
| 10:05.49 | djp | which version of gconftool does debian 3.1 sarge use? is it installed by default with a default desktop environment install? |
| 10:05.54 | nvz | chemaja: any decent burning app does that automatically. k3b verifys the ISO before burning, and then verifies the cd afterward |
| 10:05.55 | chemaja | threat: oh shit! it's already running! what do i do? |
| 10:06.16 | lehel | how do i check a partition? |
| 10:06.23 | nvz | chemaja: place you head between you knees, so you can kiss your ass goodbye |
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| 10:06.31 | nvz | lehel: check it for what? |
| 10:06.32 | chemaja | nvz: ;-) |
| 10:06.45 | fireba11 | lehel: fsck but please mount it only RO if its mounted at all or you might destroy its contents |
| 10:06.56 | threat | chemaja, LOL |
| 10:07.00 | threat | chemaja, CTRL+C |
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| 10:07.06 | lehel | how to mount only RO, nvz? |
| 10:07.12 | epsilon | chemaja: taste the freedom |
| 10:07.15 | nvz | lehel: mount -o ro |
| 10:07.23 | linoleum | nvz: lol sorry mate I dont understand, I'm french , too difficult for me to undertand the english :) |
| 10:07.25 | threat | chemaja, If you had valuable data on that drive then attempt to hunt me down :) |
| 10:07.28 | nvz | lehel: you dont have to mount a device to fsck, its better if you can do it when its not mounted |
| 10:07.45 | nvz | lehel: you only need to remount ro if the drive cannot be unmounted because its in use |
| 10:07.48 | azeem | you shouldn't fsck mounted file systems |
| 10:08.04 | azeem | well mounted writable file systems |
| 10:08.09 | chemaja | nvz: the md5sum of the ISO matches the upstream md5sum "manifest". i would like to do further verification as described above. |
| 10:08.11 | nvz | correct, the bottom line is you shouldnt fsck a mounted filesystem in the first place |
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| 10:08.16 | nvz | but if you must, make it ro |
| 10:08.17 | lehel | ok it's not mounted, so fsck /dev/hdd ? |
| 10:08.27 | nvz | lehel: you can not fsck a hd |
| 10:08.35 | eleftherios | alsaconf successfully finds my sound card, I adjust the volume levels on the alsa-mixer, yet I get no sound. Any pointers please? |
| 10:08.36 | nvz | lehel: only a filesystem which resides in a partition |
| 10:08.45 | nvz | !WAYTTD lehel |
| 10:08.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lehel? |
| 10:08.54 | chemaja | threat: i didn't actually run that command, btw. |
| 10:09.07 | threat | chemaja, I know :) |
| 10:09.11 | chemaja | threat: aah, good :) |
| 10:09.16 | epsilon | chemaja: chicken |
| 10:09.40 | lehel | so: nvz: i got this error in PMagic: Error 1516: "Partition improperly dismounted" |
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| 10:09.59 | linoleum | ok, I got it!! I know what went wrong : it was yesterday night, I had a problem with my CD drive, I couldn't eject a cd, but I went to bed without fixing the problem, so is has flood my kern.log with strange message about : cdrom droping to single frame, then lots of strange info |
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| 10:10.15 | epsilon | lehel: which Filesystem? |
| 10:10.25 | nvz | lehel: wtf are you messing with Partition Magic for? you want to see your data dissapear like magic? |
| 10:10.25 | linoleum | that's because I tryed to extract song from an old NOFX album thats is damaged :) |
| 10:10.58 | threat | chemaja, hehe |
| 10:11.15 | epsilon | lehel: cause if you ry to fsck a NTFS something... you're in wrong channel |
| 10:11.18 | fireba11 | lehel: that is a NTFS error anyway .. |
| 10:11.33 | lehel | let's begin earlier, i used that drive in a rack, throuigh usb.. now i put in my comp, , partitioned, formatted.. but i can't see anymore.. just blocks |
| 10:11.43 | lehel | correct, it is NTFS |
| 10:11.52 | epsilon | then use Windows |
| 10:12.16 | lehel | i don't want |
| 10:12.28 | epsilon | if it's a empty NTFS, linux has nothing to search on it |
| 10:12.45 | lehel | i can't even run a check on it? |
| 10:12.56 | azeem | lehel: you shouldn't check NTFS partitions on Linux I guess |
| 10:13.01 | fireba11 | lehel: there is no way to fix an NTFS error in linux anyway |
| 10:13.03 | epsilon | check what? An empty disk with empty partition? |
| 10:13.04 | azeem | lehel: you shouldn't write to them either |
| 10:13.18 | chemaja | *sigh* -- back to wikipedia to learn the basics of ISO filesystems in order to determine a solution to my problem |
| 10:13.19 | azeem | lehel: the only thing you can do is mount them read-only and read from them |
| 10:13.27 | chemaja | thanks to all -- later. |
| 10:13.29 | linoleum | lehel: ntfs and linux are not friend mate |
| 10:13.40 | apikoros | not friends YET |
| 10:13.47 | linoleum | yes, YET :) |
| 10:13.50 | epsilon | never be friends |
| 10:14.00 | azeem | let's not point people to experimental kernel stuff, please |
| 10:14.05 | linoleum | Experimental, use at your own rish |
| 10:14.14 | azeem | for all practical purposes, NTFS is read only |
| 10:14.57 | epsilon | lehel: what are you actually doing? fix an empty NTFS partition to get what if you don't want to use Windows at all? |
| 10:15.22 | fireba11 | geez |
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| 10:15.35 | linoleum | well , epsilon , fireba11 , thank you for your support, it was nothing really bad, just error about my old cdrom that couldn't eject :) |
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| 10:15.44 | epsilon | lol |
| 10:15.47 | fireba11 | linoleum: i noticed :-) |
| 10:16.17 | linoleum | so now, shoud I do a rm -rf /var/log/* ? |
| 10:16.33 | azeem | linoleum: you could edit the big files |
| 10:16.38 | epsilon | linoleum: NO! |
| 10:16.40 | linoleum | lol |
| 10:16.42 | azeem | linoleum: or try running logrotate and see if that helps |
| 10:16.56 | epsilon | azeem: nothing |
| 10:17.13 | epsilon | first rotate isn't gzip'ed by default, so 3GB will stay |
| 10:17.22 | azeem | epsilon: I don't think you mean me? |
| 10:17.32 | epsilon | you have to gzip manually - or delete if not critical |
| 10:17.32 | azeem | linoleum: for example, grep -v 'cdrom dropping to single frame' messages > messages.new |
| 10:17.47 | azeem | linoleum: that will get you those errors removed |
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| 10:20.42 | linoleum | azeem: I can't do that, there a thousand of lines, but they are different, it's like : [pg0+945087422/1069777920] cdrom_read_cdda+0x3e/0xd0 [cdrom] |
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| 10:20.57 | linoleum | and numbers change |
| 10:21.26 | azeem | linoleum: so grep on cdrom_read_cdda |
| 10:21.35 | azeem | there must be someting they have in common |
| 10:22.11 | epsilon | regexp is your friend :) |
| 10:22.55 | linoleum | azeem: too many lines, there is lots of blk, cdrom , insert, block ... |
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| 10:23.43 | epsilon | linoleum: is it a desktop system where log isn't important? If so gzip manually and run logrotate |
| 10:23.45 | azeem | linoleum: well then, do something else |
| 10:23.56 | gilles | How to erase grub from the MBR in winXP ? i just want windows on my computer so that I can bring it back where I bought it, and get another one that works with linux |
| 10:24.07 | jm_ | reinstall Windows MBR |
| 10:24.15 | gilles | how on xp ? |
| 10:24.22 | linoleum | yes it's a desktop system, logs are no important at all |
| 10:24.25 | azeem | like figuring the line offset of the first and last offending lines, and use some clever head/tail stuff to extract the signal from the noise |
| 10:24.35 | epsilon | gilles: "fdisk /mbr" something in DOS command line |
| 10:24.35 | jm_ | boot with the CD and select recovery, it should have an option to fix boot loader or just run fdisk /mbr in Windows |
| 10:24.57 | gilles | epsilon: there's no fdisk on xp... |
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| 10:25.29 | suppaman | hi |
| 10:25.29 | liable | fixmbr |
| 10:25.45 | linoleum | yes fixmbr works |
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| 10:25.54 | suppaman | what is the proper way to restart a service ? |
| 10:26.08 | mad_bull | suppaman, depends what service it is |
| 10:26.11 | mad_bull | inetd |
| 10:26.15 | linoleum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.15 | suppaman | smbd |
| 10:26.18 | mad_bull | or /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:26.19 | epsilon | /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 10:26.19 | liable | suppaman: depends, init.d or inetd |
| 10:26.24 | suppaman | I mean I usually go in t init.d directory |
| 10:26.43 | mad_bull | d |
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| 10:26.47 | epsilon | inetd is also in /etc/init.d |
| 10:26.55 | suppaman | on other distro (more like System V ?) I see a "service" command |
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| 10:27.00 | suppaman | service smbd restart |
| 10:27.07 | gilles | linoleum: no, this command doesn't exist too in msdos |
| 10:27.08 | linoleum | epsilon: how could I gzip /var/log/kern.log ??? gzip kern.log?? and that's all? |
| 10:27.09 | liable | heh, quite fittin inetd joins at this point :) |
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| 10:27.11 | suppaman | but not on this unstable |
| 10:27.14 | epsilon | /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 10:27.19 | Teratogen | BACK! |
| 10:27.23 | _raven | Can someone help me to fix a startup problem? |
| 10:27.48 | suppaman | so I put the question badly.. is there a "service" command of fedora equivalent on debian ? |
| 10:27.51 | epsilon | linoleum: yes, but you must gzip somewhere you have at least 1GB to store it |
| 10:27.58 | jm_ | suppaman: man invoke-rc.d |
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| 10:28.03 | liable | !redhat tools |
| 10:28.09 | liable | meh |
| 10:28.24 | jm_ | !services |
| 10:28.24 | suppaman | thx |
| 10:28.25 | dpkg | methinks services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 10:28.26 | nima | was it a bad idea to do cat /proc/kcore? |
| 10:28.41 | epsilon | probably |
| 10:29.02 | nima | my kernel crashed, i think |
| 10:29.13 | epsilon | ? |
| 10:29.15 | _raven | Where ist the config file that sets the gateway at bootup time? |
| 10:29.28 | nima | epsilon: it was on a remote computer |
| 10:29.30 | epsilon | _raven: you mean interfaces? |
| 10:29.44 | _raven | Network, yes |
| 10:30.03 | suppaman | _raven: /etc/network then |
| 10:30.16 | epsilon | _raven: started in /etc/init.d/network and the setup is in /etc/network/* |
| 10:30.20 | suppaman | or did you mean who invoke ifup ? |
| 10:31.03 | _raven | My system "forgets" to set the gateway, but card settings are set correctly (IP, DNS and so on.) |
| 10:31.07 | epsilon | nima: you can't SSH anymore? |
| 10:31.15 | nima | im restarting |
| 10:31.49 | linoleum | epsilon: so , I can do : mv kern.log /mnt/data , then gzip /mnt/data/kern.log , and finaly mv /mnt/data/kern.log /var/log/ ??? and afther that I do that also for message and syslog in /var/log ?? |
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| 10:32.13 | nima | how bad an idea would cat /dev/urandom > /proc/kcore be? |
| 10:32.17 | nima | just wondering |
| 10:32.23 | buu | Unpacking replacement libxvmc-dev ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxvmc-dev_6.9.0.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCW.a', which is also in package libxvmcw1-dev dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 10:32.31 | buu | I get that from a dist-upgrade command |
| 10:32.37 | buu | apt-get install -f; just repeats the error |
| 10:32.50 | nvz | I dont figure there is a chance in hell that java-package will build me a deb for the wireless toolkit? |
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| 10:33.24 | linoleum | buu: that's appen sometimes, that's not bad, you should wait for an update |
| 10:33.48 | epsilon | linoleum: "cd /mnt/data/" "gzip kern.log.damnbig.gz /var/log/kern.log" "del /var/log/kern.log" "/etc/init.d/[syslog|sysklogd] restart" "mv kern.log.damnbig.gz /var/log" |
| 10:33.54 | buu | linoleum: Er, how do I fix it? |
| 10:34.11 | linoleum | buu: |
| 10:34.20 | buu | ? |
| 10:34.26 | linoleum | buu: check if the bug is already knowed |
| 10:34.44 | linoleum | if not, make a bugreport, then wait for a new update of the package |
| 10:34.58 | linoleum | it will fix by itself |
| 10:35.07 | buu | linoleum: Er, is there anyway to role it back or fix it some how until the patch comes? |
| 10:35.13 | buu | roll and so on |
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| 10:36.06 | buu | linoleum: Because I'm now missing a .so I rather want. |
| 10:36.21 | linoleum | well, the new package is not insalled, because there was the error, so there is nothing to go back, I guess |
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| 10:36.26 | buu | uhm |
| 10:36.29 | fluxwhore | does anyone know of any way to use a file straight off an SMB share without mounting it etc... |
| 10:36.41 | buu | fluxwhore: smbclient ? |
| 10:36.48 | Jeeves_Moss | fluxwhore: I think you have to mount it. |
| 10:36.56 | buu | You should probably mount it. |
| 10:37.01 | fluxwhore | linux equiv of windowss \\hostname\share\path\to\file |
| 10:37.05 | buu | linoleum: Can I get a copy of this .so some place? |
| 10:37.11 | buu | fluxwhore: /mounted/location/ |
| 10:37.16 | linoleum | buu: that's already hapend to me , and it's always fixed really soon. but you should check if the bug is already known |
| 10:37.20 | slug | how good are the nvidia driver for linux, do they acctually use all grafic futures? and would a emulator like cedega be able to show them? |
| 10:37.23 | PsySine | hi i installed MySQL and set the password with mysql_setpermission, but it wasn't changed! i also tried using phpmyadmin, but it wasn't changed either! |
| 10:37.28 | buu | slug: YES. |
| 10:37.31 | slug | good |
| 10:37.33 | slug | :) |
| 10:37.44 | djp | where is .gnomerc located? |
| 10:37.46 | linoleum | buu: I dont know , I am not good enought to answer this question :), sorry |
| 10:37.51 | buu | Garh. |
| 10:37.53 | sep | PsySine, change it in the way that's described in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 10:37.55 | ircdevil | <buu> FUCKING DEBIAN |
| 10:37.58 | fluxwhore | yeah, but windows clients don't have to map the drive first, so there should be a way of doing it without having to mount it in linux |
| 10:37.59 | buu | Exactly. |
| 10:38.03 | ircdevil | buu: tst tst tst |
| 10:38.04 | PsySine | sep: thanks |
| 10:38.13 | slug | thinking about buying me a asus 6800 td and flashing it with a gt bios |
| 10:38.16 | Jeeves_Moss | fluxwhore: its to allow for logging. |
| 10:38.37 | buu | ircdevil: You got a proble with that? |
| 10:39.12 | fluxwhore | i care not, i just wanna use files straight off like windows users can |
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| 10:39.32 | buu | fluxwhore: Yes, MOUNT IT. |
| 10:39.36 | jm_ | some Linux apps support that |
| 10:39.59 | ircdevil | buu: no such dramatic statement, and a kind question might get you assistance. |
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| 10:40.19 | buu | ircdevil: I already got assistance. |
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| 10:40.30 | ircdevil | buu: good - like man dpkg? |
| 10:40.44 | fluxwhore | don't wanna mount it, that's why I'm asking, doing a lot of that via automation can becoming ugly/messy |
| 10:41.41 | buu | ircdevil: Not really, no. |
| 10:41.44 | suppaman | bye |
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| 10:41.50 | buu | fluxwhore: Mounting.. drives.. is hard? |
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| 10:43.40 | Palmolive | re all. did you ever have the problem like: nat with MASQUERADE target works (LAN-to-NET), PREROUTING/DNAT (NET-to-LAN) works, but POSTROUTING/SNAT doesn't ??? I'd like to put a win server behind the linux box. I can see it from the outside, but it itself cannot see out from DMZ. Friends tried to help me, nothing :( |
| 10:44.40 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: is the box in the DMZ? |
| 10:44.43 | slug | fluxwhore: what kind of file if u mean a avi or mpg u can use totem or xine dunno if there is a prog for opening documents, guess file has to be bufferd first |
| 10:44.56 | linoleum | epsilon: thk again mate but I would like to ask you last question : why should I keep the kern.log.verybighuge.gz?? Is it just to be safer, if I got a new problem with my kernel?? why can't I juste remove it? |
| 10:45.21 | Palmolive | the box is the nat router itself, stock factory kernel. eth0 internet public ip, eth1 dmz 192.168.1.254, eth2 lan 192.168.2.254 |
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| 10:46.07 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: well, the point of a NATed router is to appier invisable to the outside world. What are you trying to access on it? |
| 10:47.16 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss: there's a win server, with web (80) and others on it. It has a public ip, it MUST be reached via it's public ip. Okay, no problem, I put a virtual ip eth0:win onto eth0 (which is the internet) |
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| 10:47.43 | djp | if i write a simple script that launches a bash command, do i need to end the script with, done? |
| 10:47.51 | Palmolive | but iptables omfg doesn't understand eth0:win in it's -o eth0:win MASQUERADE command |
| 10:48.23 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: what is the subnet mask? If your trying to reach a xxx.xxx.1.foo address from xxx.xxx.2.foo address with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 then it won't work |
| 10:48.43 | sep | Palmolive, this is why we use shorewall.. :) |
| 10:49.01 | Palmolive | I don't want to access 1.x from 2.x |
| 10:49.06 | Palmolive | it's clear. |
| 10:49.12 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: This is why I set things up one step @ a time. |
| 10:49.36 | Palmolive | I just want that public-ip win server to put behind the firewall onto NAT and so let it be protected some better than itself. |
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| 10:49.59 | Palmolive | LAN @ eth2 works with iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -s 192.168.2.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQUERADE well. |
| 10:50.34 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: move the server to your private network, and create a DMZ rule for that ONE IP. That way the router will "wrap" all the incomming requests. |
| 10:50.38 | Palmolive | in this rule, only the ip changed to 192.168.1.0/24 and the "-o eth0" to "-o eth0:win" it won't work. |
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| 10:51.09 | Palmolive | hmm. |
| 10:51.57 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: sorry, I didden't allow my stuff to get that crazy. I just left everything hiding behind the NAT/Firewall, and allowed access to differen't machines baised on ports. |
| 10:52.17 | Palmolive | my friend working at the university showed me their firewall rules. 2 lines (!) per LAN-server: one is POSTROUTING/SNAT, the other is PREROUTING/DNAT. |
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| 10:54.37 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: Well thats about all I can tell you. Thats how my system is set up. It allows me to sleep @ night, and is silpe enough that I can quickly fix it. |
| 10:55.13 | Palmolive | aha, I see. |
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| 10:55.36 | scx | Palmolive: original Nick |
| 10:56.06 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: as I said, I don't see why you need something crazy like that. I find a DMZ is a bad idea from the stand point of I'm forgetfull, and I'll usaly end up forgetting to plug a hole. |
| 10:56.08 | Palmolive | so you would just simply put this server onto the eth2-switch to the other win-based LAN PC-s, right ? |
| 10:57.16 | Palmolive | yepp, but this PC is a Windows 20003 server. If the secretary's PC gets a virus, and it's unfortunatelly attacking the Win server on the same network, ouch. |
| 10:57.47 | Palmolive | that's why I prefer the original DMZ topology, the classic one. |
| 10:57.47 | blondie | if someone's PC is attacking a server/other PC you disable their switch port ;) |
| 10:57.54 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolitive: I have 4 HTTP servers on my private LAN side. Each server does something differen't. And differen't servers have differen't ports opened for HTTP. The web site will redirect to what ever port it needs. |
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| 10:58.14 | blondie | different doesn't have an apostrophe :o |
| 10:58.35 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: thats why you enforce a STRICK use policy. Most people think I'm the second Hitler when it comes to my systems. |
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| 10:58.46 | dondelelcaro | blondie: d'f'nt? |
| 10:58.50 | blondie | :| |
| 10:58.57 | weasel | who do I contact if I want to fix the '2006 key' factoid? |
| 10:59.18 | sep | weasel, dpkg |
| 10:59.25 | weasel | sep: no, not dpkg. |
| 10:59.26 | azeem | weasel: just say "dpkg, no 2006 key is ..." |
| 10:59.31 | weasel | azeem: no. |
| 10:59.34 | ronin | weasel: here, one of the ops will correct it if your correct etc. |
| 10:59.35 | weasel | Mon 11:58:38 <dpkg> cannot alter locked factoids |
| 10:59.37 | azeem | weasel: so what is the issue? |
| 10:59.40 | azeem | ah |
| 10:59.45 | azeem | dondelelcaro then |
| 10:59.46 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss: LAN PC-s can ping eachother. But if a gateway is NOT set to them, they talk to eachother not via the router, but in the same LAN .. directly. I don't want to risk it.. |
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| 10:59.54 | weasel | dondelelcaro: you were just volunteered :) |
| 10:59.54 | dondelelcaro | weasel: ? |
| 11:00.03 | dondelelcaro | fix it in what way? |
| 11:00.13 | liable | does it have # in front? |
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| 11:00.18 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: if its realy making you loos sleep, then all the systems that don't need direct access to other systems go on a differen't subnet. then if they have to access HTTP services, then the router does a little more work to service the "turn around" |
| 11:00.31 | weasel | dondelelcaro: s/trusting the keyserver with no verification:/trusting this message with no other verification/ |
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| 11:00.49 | dondelelcaro | weasel: right... |
| 11:01.28 | Palmolive | yepp, and that's what I did. I wanted the servers to go to a different subnet. I made it, it's the eth1 interface, I call the subnet DMZ and these servers cannot see the LAN PC's and vice-versa. That's the goal. |
| 11:01.32 | Palmolive | I did it. okay. |
| 11:01.38 | dondelelcaro | !2006 key |
| 11:01.38 | dpkg | [2006 key] apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update |
| 11:02.04 | weasel | thanks |
| 11:02.06 | Palmolive | Then you say I shall MASQ that subnet too. But I can't. :) because of "-o eth0:win" |
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| 11:02.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key =~ s/installing this package may not be auto-verifiable; OR! you can/You can also/; |
| 11:02.39 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 11:02.42 | themusicgod1 | is there a maximum to the amount of debian sources you can have, and can this be increased? |
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| 11:02.54 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: the servers here are on the xxx.xxx.2.xxx subnet, workstations are on xxx.xxx.1.xxx, all have a netmask of 255.255.255.0. My system that I'm currently on is the only excpetion. It sees both networks because its needed to do work on themolester |
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| 11:03.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key =~ s/ && sudo apt-get update// |
| 11:03.06 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 11:03.18 | weasel | dondelelcaro: um, why? |
| 11:03.27 | weasel | dondelelcaro: the update is so that the next install doesn't moan |
| 11:03.43 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss nice thing, the same for me too. The linux server sees both networks. :) |
| 11:04.08 | Palmolive | But let's forget about network one and network two. :) |
| 11:04.22 | Palmolive | Let's say, I have a lan, and a public ip. I don't want to use MASQ |
| 11:04.23 | weasel | dondelelcaro: also, you might want to s/084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F/2D230C5F/ the first fignerprint - keyservers don't really take all the bits into account |
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| 11:04.41 | Palmolive | how can I have internet access then for the LAN ? SNAT/DNAT ? Right? Right. |
| 11:04.54 | Palmolive | but SNAT doesn't work. :) |
| 11:04.57 | Palmolive | DNAT works. |
| 11:05.20 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: thats not allways smart. I like having the differn't subnets requiring a "turn around" through the NAT/Firewall. That way logging/virus control are taken care of. And it makes sure that any communication between systems that shoulden't be talking stops. Also, you can set policies from one system, not a few dozen |
| 11:05.30 | dondelelcaro | weasel: yeah, I figured that people would be able to figure that out on their own (and use whatever libapt frontend they were actually using instead) |
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| 11:06.00 | dondelelcaro | weasel: as far as the keyserver thing, it was just easier to include the whole thing twice... |
| 11:06.02 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss how do you make this turnaround ? |
| 11:06.27 | weasel | dondelelcaro: (no it isn't, it made the factoid wrap on my screen, making copy/paste really hard :) |
| 11:06.57 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss: I think I also did it. :) the linux box is the gateway. even if they ping eachother, it goes not directly but through the router then. |
| 11:07.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: 2006 key =~ s/084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F/2D230C5F/ |
| 11:07.06 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 11:07.13 | weasel | dondelelcaro: 2006 key |
| 11:07.15 | weasel | argl |
| 11:07.20 | weasel | dpkg: 2006 key |
| 11:07.20 | dpkg | [2006 key] apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:07.20 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 11:07.27 | dondelelcaro | it'll probably wrap anyway... but... |
| 11:07.38 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: the router keeps track of what IPs are on each NIC, so when there is a request, the router looks up the MAC in its table, and makes the connection. For us though, the workstations don't need access to the servers directly. they only need HTTP, SSL, Mail, etc, so they address the URL, and then its all DNSed from there. |
| 11:07.40 | weasel | yes, but not in the middle of the command :) |
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| 11:08.59 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: the router sees that its an external request (being a web domain), then checks its DNS reccords, relizes it dosen't need to go to the internet, and directs it to the proper server on the differn't subnet. The worksataion "thinks" its talking to the outside world, but the router spins it back to the server subnet. |
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| 11:09.27 | cybaspace | Goodday! |
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| 11:09.44 | cybaspace | Got a small question... |
| 11:09.55 | Outlook | HI, I am On a Intel Pentium Pc, WHat DEBIAN version do i use ? |
| 11:10.08 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: the only drawback we've had is getting enough bandwidth through the NAT/Firewall. Gigabit NICs all the way uplinked into the uplink ports on the switches. |
| 11:10.24 | Jeeves_Moss | Outlook: depends on what you want to use it for. Are you new to Linux? |
| 11:10.36 | scx | Outlook: latest ? |
| 11:10.50 | Outlook | Yea Jeeves_moss i am |
| 11:10.56 | cybaspace | can I shoot that question? ;-) |
| 11:10.59 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: I was going to sudgest if he's new to Linux to use Ubuntu |
| 11:11.11 | Knorrie | !tell cybaspace about ask |
| 11:11.12 | scx | I'm agree |
| 11:11.18 | Knorrie | cybaspace: ;) |
| 11:11.30 | Outlook | Ok thanks |
| 11:11.44 | scx | Kubuntu better |
| 11:11.51 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: as I said, if hes new to Linux, Ubuntu is more forgiving from my experiances. Also, slowly lets you get into shell if you want to. |
| 11:11.52 | scx | they have a DVD |
| 11:12.01 | liable | eh? |
| 11:12.09 | [R]ick-LT | anyone here using netgear ma401? |
| 11:12.14 | scx | but Gnome is ugly |
| 11:12.38 | scx | whatever |
| 11:12.50 | Knorrie | hehe |
| 11:12.52 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: <rolls eyes> if he's learning, then so be it. |
| 11:12.56 | Outlook | Thanks for ur help ;) |
| 11:13.04 | Palmolive | tel.. |
| 11:13.05 | scx | have a nice day |
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| 11:13.16 | Jeeves_Moss | Outlook: do you like the fisher-Price look of Windows XP or do you like the look of a MAC? |
| 11:13.39 | scx | Who choses Palmolive as Nick ? |
| 11:13.49 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: as I should be talking, I'm working on a 2K box |
| 11:14.25 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: 2k ??? 2k of space ? |
| 11:14.37 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: nope, a win 2K box. |
| 11:14.45 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: it's a calculator ? |
| 11:14.55 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: ohh |
| 11:15.02 | Jeeves_Moss | scx:, no, its a windows 2000 pro system |
| 11:15.03 | blondie | Jeeves_Moss: MAC = Media Access Control, not an Apple Mac. |
| 11:15.26 | Jeeves_Moss | blondie: are we talking networking MAC or computer MAC? |
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| 11:15.51 | Cyba | Damn, got disconnected ;-( |
| 11:15.55 | Jeeves_Moss | blondie: networking MAC is Media Access Control, and computer MAC, I'm talking about those fruit computers. |
| 11:16.08 | blondie | Jeeves_Moss: it's not MAC, it's Mac |
| 11:16.22 | Jeeves_Moss | blondie: its all fruit to me. |
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| 11:16.40 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: but a very juicy fruit |
| 11:16.40 | blondie | Jeeves_Moss: it's not an acronym |
| 11:16.55 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: Beauty and tentative |
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| 11:17.25 | Jeeves_Moss | blondie: the most enjoyable thing I've EVER got to do was take a sledge hammer to a cooked G3 server. thing was a thorn in my side for over a year, so I got pissed off and smashed it in the middle of a busy print shop |
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| 11:18.00 | scx | MAC: Hardware address of a networkevice, - Mac a frienly way to say: Macintoch |
| 11:18.04 | Cyba | I want to install Debian 3.1r1 on a HP DL360 with a RAID mirror. Everything went smooth untill the GRUB configuration. It doesn't install in the master boot record, and manual doesn't work also. I can see that the array is in /dev/cciss/, but grub doen't like to be installed theree |
| 11:18.18 | blondie | too many people use MAC when they mean Mac - it's annoying :P |
| 11:18.27 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: did I mention that I HATE fruit? |
| 11:18.49 | blondie | fruit is good for you. |
| 11:18.52 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: Maybe youre fat |
| 11:19.03 | Cyba | do I need to tell grub to install on the full path? (like /dev/cciss/host0/tarket0/part1 ) |
| 11:19.03 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: the apple 2 was almost HALF PROFIT. I'll admit that I'd rather have Steve Jobs on MY side than against me. |
| 11:19.17 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: actuly, my fiance is trying to convert me over to being vegan. |
| 11:19.33 | Cyba | tarket0 = target0 offcozz ;-) |
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| 11:19.46 | jm_ | cyberkni: you can also use GRUB's notation |
| 11:19.50 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: I'm not against transexual surgery |
| 11:19.51 | jm_ | Cyba ^^^^ |
| 11:20.07 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: now you entered into a very bad topic. |
| 11:20.22 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: I'm sorry |
| 11:20.35 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: Really,... |
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| 11:20.40 | Cyba | yes jm_ ? |
| 11:20.51 | jm_ | Cyba: read above |
| 11:21.20 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: lol, no your not. I single handadly got Radio Shack Canada into a legal suit over calling a Mac a "fruit". 3 months latter I was the assistant manager of the third largest Rat Shack in Ontario |
| 11:21.50 | comsa | , |
| 11:22.00 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: Everyone has a diferent madness level |
| 11:22.32 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: and I'd say youre a lot ahead from me |
| 11:22.34 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: I got chewed out by the prez of Rat Shack Canada. Not just in my store, but was picked up, and drove 4 hours away to get chewed out. |
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| 11:22.53 | Cyba | read what? |
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| 11:23.15 | jm_ | the line above ^^^ ... |
| 11:23.35 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: maybe cause of the cold was too intense, you should keep warm |
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| 11:23.52 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss I understand what you say but I'm having problem not with this stuff, but with a simple nat-setup, where the linux box doesn't do nat from LAN->net, only backwards (net->LAN). That's is. PREROUTING/DNAT works, POSTROUTING/SNAT doesn't. MASQ works too, but I have to forget it later because of the virtual if. I'm now trying POSTR/SNAT instead of MASQ with simple eth0-eth2 and it sucks beautifully. :((( |
| 11:23.54 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: actuly we don't even have snow right now. |
| 11:24.01 | Cyba | well I am also not agains transexual surgery ;-) |
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| 11:24.30 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 11:24.32 | liable | wtf? |
| 11:24.35 | Shadowcat | did I just walk into #ethics? |
| 11:24.43 | scx | Jeeves_Moss: U see Cyba doesn't criticize u |
| 11:24.51 | Shadowcat | !u |
| 11:24.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:25.09 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: did any one ever tell you one simple thing? A VERY old electronics engineer said it to me one day while I was tring to fingue out why a circuit wasen't working. All he said was KISS |
| 11:25.17 | petemc | Palmolive: iptables doesnt work in aliased inrerfaces per se, but you set it to work on the real interface, with the address of the aliased interface in -d , and it does the right thing |
| 11:25.40 | petemc | s/inrer/inter/ |
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| 11:26.22 | scx | * Jeeves_Moss: Scx thinks u'r weird |
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| 11:26.43 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: and something about how to "ben her over when you get the chance" |
| 11:26.49 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: should I ask how old you are? |
| 11:26.52 | scx | *or maybe scx has to sleep,... such a case,... |
| 11:26.53 | Cyba | but Grub notation? |
| 11:27.02 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: I think he's 12 |
| 11:27.04 | Palmolive | Jeeves_Moss & petemc, I'm trying it on the simple eth0 interface. Check this if correct or not: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -d 192.168.2.10 -j SNAT --to-source $EXT_IP |
| 11:27.15 | scx | * Jeeves_Moss: no u dont need to |
| 11:27.26 | scx | * Bye everybody |
| 11:27.29 | Jeeves_Moss | scx: sleep? I've been up for 35 hours now. I've got to go do some wedding planning with my fiance latter this morning. |
| 11:27.31 | Palmolive | you say it should work. well, it doesn't. |
| 11:27.43 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: probley. |
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| 11:28.10 | scx | * Jeeves_Moss: I understand,... sleep is what u need for me to find coherent |
| 11:28.22 | scx | * Bye everybody |
| 11:28.27 | Shadowcat | scx: learn to spell |
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| 11:28.30 | Shadowcat | idiot |
| 11:28.32 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: one sudgestion. Insted of mucking something up, why not try a router distro that boots off of a CD. |
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| 11:28.53 | petemc | Palmolive: what are you trying to achieve with that? |
| 11:29.30 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I'm guessing he's like those kids that bug me @ work asking what I'm working on. I've got a schematic on my screen and they think the symbols "look cool" |
| 11:29.47 | Palmolive | petemc: to test SNAT. if it works, I modify the lines to the virtual ip and the server other subnet ip. That's it. Finally I'll filter all in FORWARD, but for now, I'm not. |
| 11:30.05 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: well good thing I do everything in binary |
| 11:30.15 | petemc | Palmolive: perhaps its me, but that makes no sense |
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| 11:31.00 | Cyba | pfff Lillo works, but grub refuses... I'll stick to Lilo then in this case... |
| 11:31.11 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: Thats the difference. I'm the hardware guy. I'm expected to tell the programmers who have NO idea how something works whats going on. Then they look @ me like I'm crazy that a tiny board took me 3 months to design |
| 11:31.39 | Palmolive | but it's a Debian, it MUST work. I don't need another distro, it would be funny if this simplest thing wouldn't do on this box (lol). That's why I'm not taking a routing linux. Another thing is my already-set-up transparent proxying (cache), DNS cache, ftp, etc.. |
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| 11:32.15 | Jeeves_Moss | Palmolive: stupid question. Why don't you just DNS everything insted of playing? |
| 11:32.54 | Palmolive | Because we don't trust the Windows server, it cannot defend itself correctly as we have already seen (virus, format, reinstall - nice). |
| 11:32.55 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: so you're the one I should bug when my chip starts spewing out corrupted binaries? |
| 11:32.59 | Shadowcat | gotcha |
| 11:33.15 | petemc | Palmolive: you have machines behind a firewall you want to forward connections to? or...? |
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| 11:33.29 | Palmolive | petemc YEAH :) |
| 11:33.35 | Palmolive | and forwarding WORKS ! |
| 11:33.44 | Palmolive | but if I sit onto that server, log in, |
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| 11:33.54 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: no, its more of a question of how much coffee the hardware guy had when he was up for 2 or 3 days straight trying to hunt down a querky interface that injecting noise into the data or address buss. |
| 11:33.55 | Palmolive | and type in "ping x.s.f.r" then it won't do anything. |
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| 11:34.17 | petemc | Palmolive: are you letting the machine behind the firewall out? it wont work if the connection cant get back out again |
| 11:34.19 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: that too I guess |
| 11:34.31 | Palmolive | FORWARD chain is on ACCEPT |
| 11:34.36 | Palmolive | so I think VERY YES :) |
| 11:34.43 | Palmolive | PRE/POSTROUTING too. |
| 11:34.45 | Shadowcat | but you have no idea of annoying it is trying to find out why you get extra 1's popping up all over the places |
| 11:34.56 | Shadowcat | or why a string of binaries suddenly turn into 0s |
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| 11:35.22 | Jeeves_Moss | ShadowcatL: all it takes is something stupid to inject noise or cross talk. And when you've got a few hundrad lines that ar sitting that close together.... you get the idea. Software @ least follows some kind of logic. Hardware is picky. |
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| 11:36.13 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: a string turning into 0s? sounds like a chip is being pulled high on the reset line, or you've got a falty data bus (somethings being grounded somewhere) |
| 11:36.28 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: I don't do hardware |
| 11:36.29 | xored | hi, iam running a softwar raid 1 and want to "change" a drtive to a lager one. so i want to "release" the raid (mdam) how can i "release the raid ( not erasing data) ? |
| 11:36.31 | Shadowcat | I'm an OS guy |
| 11:36.40 | Shadowcat | I'm starting to move into hardware though |
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| 11:36.48 | Shadowcat | these idiots can't seem to design a proper chip |
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| 11:36.57 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: so I should get your e-mail addy for when I start working on something on my own? |
| 11:36.59 | mad_bull | Shadowcat, then do u know about running vlans on debian? |
| 11:37.29 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: I'm gonna merge a few Linux and Windows technologies together |
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| 11:37.32 | Shadowcat | see what I get |
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| 11:37.48 | Shadowcat | but most of the bloody high level stuff contains tons of workarounds for the x86 architecture |
| 11:37.52 | Shadowcat | which pisses me off |
| 11:38.09 | SammyTheSnake | does anyone here build .deb packages? I'm thinking of putting together a dummy package and I'm not sure exactly how to do it |
| 11:38.34 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: equivs might do what you want |
| 11:38.35 | SammyTheSnake | I'd quite like to make dpkg think I've got version 0.0 of a package installed so that it automatically installs the real version when it reaches testing |
| 11:38.37 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: I'm looking @ prototyping a UAV, my biggest thing is the software. I don't know it at all, so either I get some one who is as talented as I am in hardware to do the programming, or get the books out. |
| 11:38.54 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: how do I go about using equivs? |
| 11:38.59 | Shadowcat | heh uav |
| 11:39.01 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: maybe you can specify a version to equivs |
| 11:39.09 | azeem | SammyTheSnake: install it, read the documentation |
| 11:39.12 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: software at that level has to be written in assembly/binary |
| 11:39.20 | Shadowcat | there's no high level programming with stuff like that |
| 11:39.25 | SammyTheSnake | azeem: there's a package called equivs? |
| 11:39.30 | jm_ | yes |
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| 11:39.45 | Shadowcat | actually there might be |
| 11:39.53 | paulswm | SammyTheSnake: Yes |
| 11:39.54 | Shadowcat | but then you'd have to go through the whole process of writing a compiler |
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| 11:39.58 | Shadowcat | which is umm.... fun |
| 11:40.01 | Shadowcat | </sarcasm> |
| 11:40.04 | jm_ | alternatively, use one of the hello* packages to create your own |
| 11:40.12 | SammyTheSnake | paulswm: azeem: ta, I'll install it and see where I get :) |
| 11:40.15 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: yep, thats why I need a talented programmer. I can make the hardware happen, its the software that I'm going to have issues with. |
| 11:40.26 | SammyTheSnake | I may be back later with a puzzled look and a few questions:d |
| 11:40.27 | SammyTheSnake | :D |
| 11:40.30 | Shadowcat | Jeeves_Moss: I'm not at the assembly level |
| 11:40.32 | Shadowcat | I do C/C++ mostly |
| 11:40.34 | Shadowcat | some assembly |
| 11:40.42 | Shadowcat | but there's no way I could write say, Quake in asm |
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| 11:41.22 | Manplus | do you know mix-program with both? |
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| 11:41.46 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: thats cool. I'd like to do something that can be programmed to do a GPS cord, or be flowen remotly. I know I can make it light enought to fly, its just getting the software working. I'd like to do something modular. that way if something cooks, I can pull it and replace it with store bought. |
| 11:42.02 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:42.04 | Shadowcat | good luck |
| 11:42.10 | Shadowcat | you're gonna need more coffee |
| 11:42.14 | nvz | the only asm I ever done was a small program to interact with the dos mouse driver to show/hide a cursor and return status info |
| 11:42.41 | Shadowcat | well if you write a kernel |
| 11:42.45 | Shadowcat | a good deal of it has to be in asm |
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| 11:43.04 | jm_ | very very minor part of kernel requires assembler |
| 11:43.19 | nvz | not really, its just that ASM is easier to understand than machine code |
| 11:43.32 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:43.33 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: yep. the hardware isn't that hard to do. motor drive control, servervos, ultrasonic distance finders, a USB GPS, and a cheap USB web cam (mabey 4 to take all corners), and a cheap USB 802.11g WiFi |
| 11:43.33 | Shadowcat | that too |
| 11:43.36 | nvz | though not by much |
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| 11:44.01 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: the university of watterloo built one that had a LOT more toys on it than that. |
| 11:44.13 | Manplus | my msn ID:manplus_china@hotmail.coom |
| 11:44.25 | nvz | I want to make one of those too an internet controlled flying recon device |
| 11:44.28 | luna_ | Manplus Na MA PI |
| 11:44.33 | luna_ | Manplus, CAO NI MA |
| 11:44.49 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: basicly. I'd like to be able to port the control software to my PPC |
| 11:45.02 | Manplus | luna stop your discourtesy |
| 11:45.22 | Manplus | i will kill you |
| 11:45.32 | Shadowcat | what's he typing in anyway? |
| 11:45.43 | luna_ | Manplus, I KILL YOU FUKIN MONKEY |
| 11:45.45 | Manplus | he said fuck |
| 11:45.47 | Jeeves_Moss | Manplus: HEY! we don't need that kind of crap in here. |
| 11:46.04 | Shadowcat | !ops luna_ is trolling |
| 11:46.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: luna_ is trolling |
| 11:46.20 | Manplus | yes kick his ass |
| 11:46.28 | Manplus | out of here |
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| 11:47.14 | nvz | too late, abondoned ship |
| 11:47.24 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: I wonder if using everything USB would be smart. it would defintly take care of a LOT of addressing issues. |
| 11:47.37 | tarzeau | Jeeves_Moss: USB sucks |
| 11:47.54 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: then if push came to shove, I could use a premade MoBo. |
| 11:47.59 | tarzeau | especially if you have slow and fast usb devicec on the same usb controller |
| 11:48.04 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: you need about 5w for each device |
| 11:48.08 | Jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: whats your sudgestion then? |
| 11:48.23 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 11:48.30 | Shadowcat | I really have no clue as to how to build a plane |
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| 11:48.42 | Shadowcat | but usb is a bad idea |
| 11:48.53 | Jeeves_Moss | tarzeau: I'd be designing it from the ground up. I think then I'd make sure fast and slow parts are on differen't controlers. |
| 11:48.54 | nvz | I was thinking more along the lines of a helo or something |
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| 11:49.11 | Jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I'm just thinking of ease of replacing parts. |
| 11:49.17 | ootput | never fear, for I is here |
| 11:49.20 | nvz | I want it to be quiet and move in any direction |
| 11:49.50 | Shadowcat | quick, everybody look busy, maybe ootput will go away |
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| 11:50.08 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: yes. a sungle ducted fan design. Basicly a flying doughnut. They're quiet (rolled top edge keeps noise down), and it can move in any direction using arelons under the fan |
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| 11:50.44 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: yeah but doesnt this limit your height? |
| 11:50.51 | Jeeves_Moss | ootput: haven't you watched the movie "hackers"? That system admin got his ass kicked by a bunch of KIDS with crappy 80s tech. |
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| 11:51.29 | nvz | I'd like to be able to climb about 20-30ft |
| 11:51.32 | sylvisj | What do I need in my kernel for usb keyboards? |
| 11:51.36 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: what limits your height is how efficent your duct/prop/motors are. (sorry, did 2 years in aircraft mechanics) |
| 11:51.42 | jm_ | sylvisj: HID support |
| 11:51.46 | sylvisj | Jeeves_Moss: To be fair, that was in the early 90's. |
| 11:51.50 | sylvisj | jm_: Thx. |
| 11:51.55 | ootput | Jeeves_Moss: yeah mate, that's the reference |
| 11:52.07 | Jeeves_Moss | sylvish: sorry, haven't watched the movie in a while. |
| 11:52.20 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I'd like to be able to attach m80's or something too, have it light them and release them from a bomb bay... heh |
| 11:52.34 | nvz | laser guiding system :P |
| 11:52.35 | ootput | it was a decent platform for budding young actors |
| 11:52.42 | ootput | well, for a shit movie, anyway |
| 11:52.56 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: the military had ones that can look into a 4th story window. (I'll have to chick on google for the exact height) |
| 11:53.06 | nvz | shoot them little rubber darts too.. so I can fly up to the neighbors window and shoot a rubber dart on their window |
| 11:53.19 | Jeeves_Moss | ootput: should I call you Crash override or Acid Burn? |
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| 11:53.23 | ootput | shit, i'll setting for just flying |
| 11:53.34 | Phated | That's The Plague. |
| 11:53.35 | ootput | Jeeves_Moss: Dr. Doom |
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| 11:53.46 | MoOsE | Can someone help me out please, im installing debian for the 1st time |
| 11:53.50 | sylvisj | I was thinking more towards cerial killer. |
| 11:54.03 | Phated | MoOsE: Go ahead and ask the channel. |
| 11:54.06 | nvz | I may attache a sonic device that it can use to turn water into fog :P |
| 11:54.20 | sylvisj | nvz: Dry ice ftw. |
| 11:54.23 | Jeeves_Moss | ootput: I was thinking crash and burn. |
| 11:54.33 | sylvisj | Haha. Ouch. |
| 11:54.37 | ootput | Jeeves_Moss: yeah mate.. i've seen it as well |
| 11:54.41 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: no, that would take too much power from an allready taxed system. |
| 11:54.47 | Dena|S | I just installed debian on my system, and I wanted to install some software without the use of the apt system. I tryed to configure openssh, however it states I have not installed zlib. However apt tells me that it is installed. Anyone know what I might be doing wrong ? |
| 11:54.54 | amphi | sylvisj: cereal killer? ;) |
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| 11:54.58 | Jeeves_Moss | Mo0sE: what did you need help with? |
| 11:55.00 | ootput | as in fruit loops |
| 11:55.02 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: yeah.. I've seen em before.. I never thought about the power it would consume |
| 11:55.04 | sylvisj | Lol |
| 11:55.06 | sylvisj | Great movie :D |
| 11:55.14 | jm_ | Dena|S: Debian has openssl, use the package |
| 11:55.25 | sylvisj | nvz: PCP&C has a 1kw PSU out now... go get it :P |
| 11:55.34 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: ideally you want the system to draw power from its surroundings.. light..etc |
| 11:55.48 | jm_ | Dena|S: sorry, openssh |
| 11:55.48 | ootput | wouldn't it be fucking awesome if all head of I.T. had the shit Eugene had |
| 11:55.54 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: lets just sat a LOT. If you REALY wanted to do some distruction, make a good sized one and mount a gas powered rotary engine in it, then attach a generator to ti. |
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| 11:56.23 | charolastra | hi everyone |
| 11:56.28 | Jeeves_Moss | ootput: hummm, want to start a compnay? then you can get all the shit you want. |
| 11:56.28 | ootput | sylvisj: PCp&C products are fantastic |
| 11:56.31 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: http://www.isrjournal.com/story.php?F=1451748 |
| 11:56.41 | MoOsE | i need to select a x-server-driver now for my videocard. |
| 11:56.42 | ootput | i've still got my 510Dlx from ages ago |
| 11:56.44 | MoOsE | I have a nvidia geforce 6800LE. Last time i selected "nv" but it couldnt load x after finishing installation |
| 11:56.46 | ootput | worth the money |
| 11:56.52 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: I wonder would it be worth it to add a small canister of light gas like helium and a small balloon so you could go into " |
| 11:56.54 | jm_ | MoOsE: install nvidia drivers |
| 11:57.02 | Dena|S | jm_: Yes, however I wanted to try to configure it without the use of apt. And I found it strange that zlib was installed but the configure script told me I didnt have it. But I think apt-get install openssh works fine. I was just wondering why the configure script complained about the library |
| 11:57.07 | MoOsE | can i select vga, and install nvidia drivers later? |
| 11:57.08 | nvz | suspend" and it would just hang loose and conserve power |
| 11:57.23 | jm_ | Dena|S: it needs zlib1g-dev ... |
| 11:57.26 | MoOsE | nvidia isnt in the list u see |
| 11:57.27 | amphi | Dena|S: you don't have the headers (-dev package) ? |
| 11:57.29 | Jeeves_Moss | Mo0sE: once you get any kind of graphics on the screen, then you can go get the package from the Nvidia site, then it will install it corectly. |
| 11:57.41 | sylvisj | MoDaX: Umm. www.nvidia.com - download the nvidia proprietary drivers and install them before X. |
| 11:57.41 | charolastra | anyone experiencing ipython segfaultin all the time? |
| 11:57.49 | Dena|S | jm_: aha ok, I will try that right away. thank you for your help :) |
| 11:57.52 | Jeeves_Moss | Mo0se: have you run Linux before? |
| 11:57.53 | jm_ | MoOsE: where do you see that question? |
| 11:58.04 | Phated | MoOsE: Use nv. |
| 11:58.06 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: like I am following something, and it stops, I can release some gas into the balloon and kill the engines and recharge via the solar panels while I am hanging around |
| 11:58.31 | sylvisj | nvz: Is all of this in a pipe dream, or... |
| 11:58.36 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: you could even fly around with that and not have to use any lift propellers |
| 11:58.56 | MoOsE | im in the installation of debian. i used nv last time, but then it couldnt start x? |
| 11:59.11 | MoOsE | (sorry for any bad english, i am dutch) |
| 11:59.14 | tarzeau | MoOsE: try vesa? |
| 11:59.14 | ootput | anybody know a similar font to profont that's scaled? |
| 11:59.24 | tarzeau | ootput: screenshot? |
| 11:59.24 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: hell the body can be hollow and have two valves that can be filled with a gas to make it rise and fall |
| 11:59.26 | jm_ | yes nv driver is too old, so you'll need to use nvidia's driver |
| 11:59.26 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: its all intresting ideas. People have made a solar cell that produces energy from HEAT!!! recharge your cell phone just by leaving it in your pocket. And the cool part is regualr solar cells don't use the IR light, so it passed through the regualr cell, so they can make a layered cell to make tice the output. |
| 11:59.41 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: they' |
| 11:59.44 | ootput | tarzeau: yeah, if you have one |
| 11:59.53 | Jeeves_Moss | mO0se: may I sudgest Ubuntu? Its a Debian core, but its a LOT simpler to set up. |
| 11:59.57 | tarzeau | ootput: no, you want profont... |
| 12:00.09 | ootput | tarzeau: an alternative that's slightly larger |
| 12:00.19 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: they've got solar technology out now that embraces both forms.. and it can be sprayed on to virtually anything |
| 12:00.47 | tarzeau | ootput: can you show me a screenshot of the font you want? |
| 12:00.51 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: actuly, you'd vary the regular atmospher in a bag of a lighter gas. Google how a zeplan works. |
| 12:00.52 | MoOsE | Jeeves: Thanks but i really want to learn debian as i want to rent a dedicated server soon with debian installed on it |
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| 12:00.56 | piratemaster | hey all |
| 12:00.57 | ootput | tarzeau: atm, it exists only in my mind. |
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| 12:01.06 | ootput | tarzeau: a larger version of profont |
| 12:01.09 | ootput | not proggy |
| 12:01.21 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: I know, I want it sprayed on my lappy. It looks like carbon fiber as well. |
| 12:01.26 | jm_ | profont comes in several sizes, doesn't it? |
| 12:01.26 | tarzeau | ootput: i don't know profont |
| 12:01.35 | Manplus | proggy profont what is the meanning |
| 12:01.36 | ootput | jm_: on *nix? |
| 12:01.37 | MoOsE | so i can select VESA to get through the setup? |
| 12:01.44 | tarzeau | MoOsE: yes |
| 12:01.46 | ootput | Manplus: they're fonts |
| 12:01.53 | ootput | fixed-width |
| 12:02.04 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: this line of thinking would lead to a gas lift and like a sail that could be moved.. you could fly almost entirely off the power of air.. just regulating the gas in the containers, and adjusting the position of your sail.. heh |
| 12:02.12 | Jeeves_Moss | Mo0se: Ubuntu is built on Debian. You can still use Debian, it just has a simpler GUI to use and it sets most things up automaticly for you. You still have access to the shell to learn Debian. |
| 12:02.33 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: you could still have engines if you wish, just have this as a low-power method of manuvering |
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| 12:02.55 | jm_ | ootput: yes |
| 12:03.02 | jm_ | MoOsE: sure |
| 12:03.18 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: if you used something like a gas, then you woulden't need the main ducted fan, but then you don't have as much speed control on your movements. We're talking about two totaly differen't applications here. |
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| 12:03.54 | MoOsE | Ok great, many thanks all much appreciated |
| 12:04.18 | Jeeves_Moss | Mo0sE: as I said, try Ubuntu, its an amazing product |
| 12:04.25 | MoOsE | will do :) |
| 12:04.25 | piratemaster | im having a problem. my server doesnt show up on portscans wont ping to anything. i can reach it from ssh and webmin though, what could be wrong? |
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| 12:04.50 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: what port scanner are you using? |
| 12:05.01 | piratemaster | superscan for windows |
| 12:05.07 | piratemaster | (yes i know) |
| 12:05.33 | Jeeves_Moss | priatemaster: is there a firewall on the system? If so, it could be set not to respond to ping or port scan requests (ICMP)_ |
| 12:06.08 | piratemaster | i can also not ping from the server |
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| 12:06.27 | Jeeves_Moss | priatemaster: sounds like a firewall |
| 12:06.49 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: having both would be better.. the gas would be used mostly for maintaing height and conserving power. it could maintain a height without using any power and could reach heights greater than any powered system. it could also be used in emergencies to stop the thing from crashing and burning it could kick in on a backup circuit if something fails, it looses comm, or start decending too quickly |
| 12:06.52 | piratemaster | i figured |
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| 12:07.12 | piratemaster | i've been screwing around with that yes |
| 12:07.33 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: though once you want to come down or decend you would have to loose some gas it seems so you couldnt just move up and down at will with that I dont think |
| 12:07.35 | piratemaster | how would a rule look like that allows icpm |
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| 12:08.06 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: what I was thinking was not using it as a netrual boyancy device. It would be cool though to have the gas offset the dry weight so in reality, all the fan is lifting is less than a pound. |
| 12:08.31 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: do you rember if you selected a firewall to be intstalled when you installed the system? |
| 12:08.35 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: right.. one way or another the gass will save you power |
| 12:08.46 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: true. |
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| 12:09.00 | piratemaster | i installed shorewall |
| 12:09.09 | piratemaster | and iptables is IN the kernel |
| 12:09.10 | Jeeves_Moss | we're NOT using H2 though. I don't want another Hindenburg. |
| 12:09.28 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: shorewall? |
| 12:09.36 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: you could measure out little tubes that would when filled with a certain gas like helium, will lift so many grams each.. and then based on your desgin and the weight, you could squeeze them in where they will fit |
| 12:09.47 | piratemaster | yea, but thats just to simplify configuration |
| 12:10.00 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: heh |
| 12:10.01 | Jeeves_Moss | mvz: thats true. |
| 12:10.03 | ootput | jm_: ah yes, there are different sizes |
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| 12:10.24 | Jeeves_Moss | ootput, jm_: are you guys comparing penis sizes again? |
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| 12:10.56 | ootput | Jeeves_Moss: no. there's no question who the victor is. |
| 12:11.02 | ootput | Jeeves_Moss: something else |
| 12:11.30 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: heres the reason why, its baised on OpenWRT. its default setting is to mask EVERYTHING. Its so people like me who see an open IP who scan it won't see anything. |
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| 12:11.55 | piratemaster | and thats good? |
| 12:12.09 | piratemaster | can i use it as a server or gateway that way? |
| 12:12.12 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: dumb question, WHY did you install it? |
| 12:12.27 | piratemaster | to tighten security |
| 12:12.41 | nvz | this penis talk reminds me of that message I got on my phone the other day.. my buddy sent me a text message, that said "In a recent survey 99% of homosexuals check their messages with their thumb. Its too late, dont try to switch now." |
| 12:13.19 | piratemaster | (read: so i know how to tighten security myself) |
| 12:13.53 | sylvisj | !nickometer acid burn |
| 12:13.55 | dpkg | 'acid burn' is 14.000% lame, sylvisj |
| 12:14.04 | sylvisj | !nickometer crash override |
| 12:14.05 | dpkg | 'crash override' is 14.000% lame, sylvisj |
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| 12:14.09 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: by default, the only ports that are open are the ones you open. So personaly I'd thinkg cloking the ports to ping scans would be a good thing if this server is going in a DMZ. Why do you want to see the open ports anyways? |
| 12:14.17 | sylvisj | Lol, it's like it has a preset for 'hackers' |
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| 12:14.25 | piratemaster | !nickometer ThePiratemaster |
| 12:14.26 | dpkg | 'ThePiratemaster' is 0.000% lame, piratemaster |
| 12:14.31 | piratemaster | haah |
| 12:14.46 | ootput | give or take 100 |
| 12:14.54 | piratemaster | :P |
| 12:15.07 | Jeeves_Moss | !nicometer Jeeves_Moss |
| 12:15.11 | piratemaster | yea, 100 promile |
| 12:15.27 | sylvisj | !nickometer Jeeves_Moss |
| 12:15.29 | dpkg | 'Jeeves_Moss' is 0.000% lame, sylvisj |
| 12:15.29 | Jeeves_Moss | !nickometer jeeves_moss |
| 12:15.31 | dpkg | 'jeeves_moss' is 14.000% lame, jeeves_moss |
| 12:15.32 | sep | play with the bot in /msg please |
| 12:15.35 | sylvisj | heh heh |
| 12:15.48 | tarzeau | piratemaster: iptables is not in all kernel only linux 2.4+ |
| 12:15.52 | Jeeves_Moss | !nickometer dpkg |
| 12:15.54 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, jeeves_moss |
| 12:15.55 | tarzeau | piratemaster: there's also non-linux kernels |
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| 12:16.02 | tarzeau | !nickmeter Jeeves_Moss |
| 12:16.02 | dpkg | Jeeves_Moss is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 12:16.14 | valdyn | !iptables |
| 12:16.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 12:16.16 | sylvisj | :( And I couldn't get it above 14% |
| 12:16.26 | piratemaster | anyway, the firewall problem. i still cant route anythnig |
| 12:16.30 | Jeeves_Moss | dpkg = dubble penetration kracker grangbang? |
| 12:16.58 | Jeeves_Moss | I don't think any one was reading that one |
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| 12:17.03 | piratemaster | !nickometer dpkg |
| 12:17.04 | valdyn | piratemaster: you want to provide details if you want help |
| 12:17.05 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, piratemaster |
| 12:17.09 | yos87 | hi |
| 12:17.15 | N0S3 | hello stew ! |
| 12:17.16 | piratemaster | sure it is... |
| 12:17.18 | yos87 | I install debian, |
| 12:17.31 | yos87 | but the screen resulution is only 800*600 |
| 12:17.32 | piratemaster | CARAMBA!! |
| 12:17.41 | piratemaster | HE INSTAL DEBIAN |
| 12:17.49 | valdyn | !drxx yos87 |
| 12:17.49 | dpkg | yos87: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:18.14 | Jeeves_Moss | now now, we shoulden't make fun of those who are englishly retarded.. I include my self in that group. |
| 12:18.17 | piratemaster | alfredo get the pinjata, he install debian!!!! |
| 12:18.53 | Jeeves_Moss | Piratemaster: I'll grab my stick and Buro |
| 12:19.12 | piratemaster | AYAYAYAYAYYYYYYYY |
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| 12:19.23 | Jeeves_Moss | now was that "stick" or "spick"? |
| 12:19.25 | yos87 | dpkg: I did not understand you |
| 12:20.16 | Jeeves_Moss | all: wow, people accross Canada are waking up. Halafax is now up and on-line. LOL |
| 12:20.33 | yos87 | another question please, |
| 12:20.45 | yos87 | debian is 14 cd, but I use only one |
| 12:20.51 | yos87 | what the use of other? |
| 12:20.58 | Jeeves_Moss | yos87: sorry bud, you've used up your questions for today. |
| 12:20.58 | piratemaster | anyway jeeves, the firewall. could u help me out with that? |
| 12:21.01 | valdyn | yos87: more packages |
| 12:21.30 | Jeeves_Moss | piratemaster: as I said, how important is it to you to hide your ports? |
| 12:21.32 | yos87 | valdyn: but how to istall |
| 12:21.47 | valdyn | yos87: apt-get install <blah> |
| 12:21.52 | valdyn | !ig |
| 12:21.52 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 12:22.03 | piratemaster | not really importend. but i would liek them hidden |
| 12:22.13 | Jeeves_Moss | yos87, there so you don't have to connect to the Internet to get them. the 14 CDs are all the packages. you don't need them ALL installed. |
| 12:22.23 | Jeeves_Moss | then whats wrong wtih your current set up then? |
| 12:22.31 | valdyn | !confuse piratemaster |
| 12:22.31 | dpkg | No, where are our pineapple yesterday, piratemaster? pants of the democracy of mongolia with extra ham |
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| 12:22.43 | sylvisj | Well damn |
| 12:22.59 | sylvisj | My keyboard is doing the same thing as every livecd with my new kernel |
| 12:23.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 792] by debhelper |
| 12:23.02 | piratemaster | and make it a double one |
| 12:23.06 | Jeeves_Moss | valdyn: is there a listing of those? |
| 12:23.14 | yos87 | jeeves_moss: it's very new for me, and I don't know how install that backage |
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| 12:23.28 | yos87 | jeeves_moss: and the screen reselution is very low |
| 12:23.40 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: i dont know, ask dondelelcaro, but you can search factoids with /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> |
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| 12:24.12 | Jeeves_Moss | yos87: backage?? you mean package. and as long as your connected to the internet, you DON'T need tho extra CDs. Just the installer CD. Then if you wanted to install apache, you'd type apt-get install acaphe. |
| 12:24.16 | valdyn | yos87: why dont you do what dpkg told you to do? |
| 12:24.26 | Jeeves_Moss | valdyn: thanks. |
| 12:24.30 | tralala | Jeeves_Moss: you can download the whole dpkg database as a text file |
| 12:24.38 | Jeeves_Moss | !confuse yos87 |
| 12:24.38 | dpkg | Yes, how was my gerbil today, yos87? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 12:25.04 | sylvisj | I dun feel well... |
| 12:25.06 | Jeeves_Moss | valdyn: ever set up a IRC server? |
| 12:25.14 | valdyn | Jeeves_Moss: nope |
| 12:25.19 | yos87 | valdyn: I didn't understand what dpkg told |
| 12:25.32 | Jeeves_Moss | sylvisj: a good shot of something strong would fix you right up. |
| 12:25.41 | Jeeves_Moss | !confuse yos87 |
| 12:25.41 | dpkg | Yes, those are their badger today, yos87? lederhosen of the democracy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
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| 12:25.55 | piratemaster | yos87, listen with yuor heart young padawan.... |
| 12:25.56 | valdyn | yos87: run the command 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and/or join a channel that is in your native language |
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| 12:27.08 | RyanW | i have a debian install on a pc with dual network cards connected to the same ethernet segment. debian responds to an arp request for the address on eth0 out both eth0 & eth1 with different mac addresses... any ideas? |
| 12:27.13 | yos87 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver=xfree86 |
| 12:27.28 | yos87 | valdyn: you mean in command line |
| 12:27.31 | dd_ | hello |
| 12:27.33 | Jeeves_Moss | wow, tonight is the night of networking questions. |
| 12:27.36 | Dena|S | exit |
| 12:27.40 | Dena|S | ops, sorry |
| 12:27.41 | sep | RyanW, dont use 2 nic's on the same segment unless your switch support bonding |
| 12:27.46 | valdyn | yos87: yes |
| 12:27.51 | yos87 | ok |
| 12:27.54 | valdyn | yos87: that = was a typo i hope.. |
| 12:28.24 | Jeeves_Moss | hey every one, its the 30th of Jan, and its going to be +5C!!!! Talk about strange Canadian weather. |
| 12:28.30 | dd_ | i have 14 cds debian sarge. i want to make installation server, like kickstart on redhat. how to make the http server for apt |
| 12:28.39 | RyanW | im not trying to use the same nics for the same purpose. eth0 does IP and eth1 does pppoe simply so i can mrtg my pppoe ISP connection. |
| 12:28.40 | valdyn | !kickstart |
| 12:28.41 | dpkg | well, kickstart is a utility developed by and distributed with RedHat allowing you to install large numbers of identical linux boxes. The HOWTO homepage is located at http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/. |
| 12:29.07 | valdyn | dd_: i dont really know kickstart, there's plenty of install tools for debian, like fai |
| 12:29.10 | valdyn | !fai |
| 12:29.10 | dpkg | i heard fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 12:29.19 | daxxar | dd_, for proxying apt-requests? Try apt-proxy. |
| 12:29.20 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: yeah, well its +6 here at the moment |
| 12:29.27 | daxxar | dd_, if you want to download packages only once. :) |
| 12:29.43 | sep | RyanW, make a vlan thein if you need it in the switch |
| 12:29.50 | dd_ | i dont have internet connection |
| 12:29.58 | tralala | dd_: apt-zip |
| 12:30.08 | nvz | dd_: interesting. how did you make it here? |
| 12:30.10 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: should I ask where that is? |
| 12:30.11 | dd_ | i want to make installation from those cds |
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| 12:30.18 | yos87 | valdyn: Command not found |
| 12:30.20 | yos87 | I get |
| 12:30.22 | dd_ | how about the directory hierarchy |
| 12:30.27 | valdyn | yos87: which command? |
| 12:30.27 | RyanW | i wish my switch supported vlans, i dont want to crossover from eth1 to my adsl bridge because sometimes i bring up a 2nd pppoe connection from my desktop for troubleshooting. |
| 12:30.40 | valdyn | yos87: what is hard about typing 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' ? |
| 12:30.47 | valdyn | yos87: as root |
| 12:30.51 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, home of da Stillers |
| 12:30.59 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: and a bunch of yinzers |
| 12:31.06 | yos87 | as root |
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| 12:31.20 | sep | RyanW, thenget a second switch |
| 12:31.25 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: don't those guys and green bay eat a lot of cheese? |
| 12:31.28 | Jeeves_Moss | lol |
| 12:31.31 | d4d0|work | is there a tool to watch a terminal? |
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| 12:31.56 | yos87 | valdyn: I get : not allow to run root in this window |
| 12:31.57 | RyanW | sep: i'd like to solve the issue of my install sending an arp reply for an ip address that is not bound to that interface. |
| 12:31.58 | sep | tysnoop |
| 12:32.13 | sep | ttysnoop |
| 12:32.15 | yos87 | valdyn: how to run root |
| 12:32.25 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: no green bay just sucks.. Stillers are gonna be super bowl champions this year |
| 12:32.52 | valdyn | yos87: read the debian install guide, you aren't doing anyone a favour, not even yourself if you try to do anything in debian without any clue about unix |
| 12:33.08 | sep | RyanW, you _might_ be able to solve it with a split access solution |
| 12:33.09 | nvz | they had a special on WDVE where all the Pro Football players came for the "I got my ass kicked by the Pittsburgh Steelers" support group |
| 12:33.09 | Jeeves_Moss | mvz: lol. sorry, we have a mutant form of football up here. |
| 12:33.19 | sep | but serisouly i'd just get a second switch :) |
| 12:33.21 | sep | !split access |
| 12:33.22 | dpkg | somebody said split access was when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the dirst step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets |
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| 12:33.59 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: do you know anything about setting up an IRC server? |
| 12:34.07 | yos87 | valdyn: sorry |
| 12:34.12 | RyanW | sep: i can think of a handful of ways to work around it, the simplest by disabling arp on the interface that only does pppoe, however i administer 50 debian baxes at work and have come across this prob on ocasion before but never found an answer |
| 12:34.14 | dd_ | how to make mirror from those cd |
| 12:34.24 | dd_ | without rsync |
| 12:34.29 | d4d0|work | i keep getting this message in console: QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (-1) what does it mean? |
| 12:34.49 | tralala | dd_: put together all the packages and... (reading) |
| 12:34.57 | RyanW | sep: eth1 has 1.1.1.1/24 why does eth1 reply to an arp request for 192.168.100.1 with the mac address of eth1? |
| 12:35.11 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: its a lot easier than setting one up on a coffee pot. |
| 12:35.31 | nvz | Jeeves_Moss: oh, nm I thouht you said on a PC |
| 12:35.37 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: lol |
| 12:35.45 | dd_ | just copy ??? |
| 12:36.07 | dd_ | cp -var /mnt/cdrom /somewhere ??? |
| 12:36.13 | tralala | dd_: yes, then you need to create a Packages.gz file and put a line in the sources.list |
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| 12:36.26 | Evil_Lyra | hi there |
| 12:36.26 | ScoobyD00 | hello - can anyone help me install a package from "testing" without apt upgrading a whole load of other things on my "stable" system? |
| 12:36.40 | ScoobyD00 | i just want the 1 package really |
| 12:36.50 | sep | RyanW, good question. i have no good answer. i allways fix the harware so it dosn't share. |
| 12:36.55 | valdyn | ScoobyD00: you cant just mix packages from different debian releases |
| 12:37.01 | jm_ | the part that goes "just 1 package" is what usually causes problems |
| 12:37.04 | tralala | !tell dd_ -about own repo |
| 12:37.06 | sylvisj | Cany anyone think of ANY possible reasons every livecd I have tried, as well as my new kernel, won't read my keyboard, but the stock debian kernel will? |
| 12:37.14 | tralala | dd_: like that |
| 12:37.14 | Evil_Lyra | hm... msg dpkg xorg shouldnt tell me about whats happening with xorg on sid? |
| 12:37.18 | ScoobyD00 | well, it is insisting on installing gcc4 |
| 12:37.21 | ScoobyD00 | i dont want gcc4 |
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| 12:37.25 | ScoobyD00 | just for a tiny utility |
| 12:37.26 | Jeeves_Moss | nvz: I think I'm outta here. I've got to have a shit/shave/shower. Gotta do something with the woman today. |
| 12:38.22 | sylvisj | So..... |
| 12:38.29 | d4d0|work | anybody? |
| 12:38.45 | jm_ | d4d0|work: sep has answered you |
| 12:38.51 | ScoobyD00 | valdyn: must be a way to install it without pulling in gcc4 and a new libc6 which is plain overkill? |
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| 12:39.10 | d4d0|work | jm_: where? |
| 12:39.15 | jm_ | d4d0|work: in #debian, doh |
| 12:39.18 | valdyn | ScoobyD00: to install what? |
| 12:39.22 | RyanW | sep: thanks anyway, i might just reinstall tomorrow and cross my fingers. only other time i've seen this is when you run lvs on a loopback. |
| 12:39.43 | ScoobyD00 | valdyn: i want to install the more recent util-vserver package |
| 12:39.46 | tralala | d4d0|work: /lastlog sep |
| 12:39.49 | piratemaster | what does that mean: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 12:39.50 | ScoobyD00 | as the one in stable is bug ridden |
| 12:39.52 | tralala | anyhow he said ttysnoop |
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| 12:40.18 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 12:40.19 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 12:40.21 | ootput | does anybody here use rtorrent? my particular instance often fails to catch C^q (quit) |
| 12:40.30 | jm_ | ootput: I use it |
| 12:40.33 | valdyn | ScoobyD00: use that method dpkg is talking about, works the same for testing as for sid |
| 12:40.41 | d4d0|work | i cant see no message from sep to me |
| 12:40.42 | d4d0|work | sorry |
| 12:41.25 | tralala | d4d0|work: I hope you saw mine |
| 12:41.43 | d4d0|work | tralala: yes i do |
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| 12:43.22 | valdyn | ootput: C^q in rtorrent just takes some time, if you hit C^q twice then that will work not because the first C^q was 'ignored' but because you care force rtorrent to abort without saving current state |
| 12:43.42 | daxxar | What's C^q? C + CTRL-q? |
| 12:43.46 | ootput | yep |
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| 12:43.59 | jm_ | indeed, it connects to tracker when you hit ^q to tell it about disconnect |
| 12:44.11 | jm_ | so it may depend on how fast it can connect |
| 12:44.11 | ootput | a bit annoying |
| 12:44.24 | jm_ | it's a proper way to do it |
| 12:44.30 | ootput | killing the pid of rtorrent seems cheap |
| 12:44.45 | valdyn | ootput: you should probably talk to the bittorrent developer about that, its not rtorrent's fault |
| 12:44.55 | valdyn | ootput: but he will just ignore you im sure |
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| 12:45.44 | tralala | ootput: when you speak on the phone do you just hang up when you're done or do you say goodbye first? |
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| 12:46.19 | tralala | cause haning up is definately cheaper |
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| 12:46.46 | ootput | wouldn't the tracker be able to figure out that i'm no longer connected? |
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| 12:47.19 | d4d0|work | jm_: actually i saw the first reply, but i meant my second question |
| 12:47.20 | valdyn | ootput: you're asking the tracker to waste his resources so you can quit your client faster? |
| 12:47.21 | sbeckett | anyone know how to set up skystar2 card? |
| 12:48.02 | valdyn | sbeckett: knowing its chipset would probably help |
| 12:48.29 | ootput | valdyn: my initial concern was in regards to C^q. I have no selfish intent |
| 12:48.41 | sbeckett | its loaded in dmesg and lsmod |
| 12:48.56 | valdyn | ootput: so just accept that it has to be slow, there's no sane way around that |
| 12:49.09 | sbeckett | but I don't think the /dev/dvb links are correct |
| 12:49.21 | tralala | ootput: I'm sorry the "cheap killing" sounded a bit selfish to me. My bad. |
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| 12:50.21 | valdyn | ootput: you're probably not to familiar with networking, but beside notifying the tracker it will try to close all connections to all clients you're connected to, and close those ports. That is bound to take time. |
| 12:50.35 | ootput | that's what pftop shows |
| 12:50.54 | ootput | but again, i originally thought that rtorrent was the culprit |
| 12:51.12 | jm_ | bittorrent/bittornado will do the same |
| 12:51.23 | valdyn | ootput: in my experience the original bittorrent client is even significantly slower shutting down |
| 12:51.27 | jm_ | add r-s to taste |
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| 12:51.53 | ootput | jm_: the interface for btorn seemed to detach much sooner |
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| 12:52.13 | jm_ | ootput: yes, there are some fucked up clients that don't disconnect properly |
| 12:52.31 | sylvisj | Hey guys... on the kernels I build (as well as almost all livecds), my keyboard is not read. Anyone have a clue why this would be, and what I need in my kernel? |
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| 12:52.53 | valdyn | ootput: might be luck or depending on how the connection to your tracker is too, its not generally shutting down extremely slowly for me |
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| 12:53.19 | jm_ | indeed, try it with a dummy localhost tracker and check how quick it is |
| 12:53.27 | ootput | well, i'm on dialup speeds atm (capped broadband,) so i'm sure that'll contribute to the effect |
| 12:53.31 | ootput | :) |
| 12:54.15 | sylvisj | ...... |
| 12:54.22 | ootput | and perhaps some packet prioritization @ the gateway |
| 12:54.59 | valdyn | sylvisj: usb keyboard? |
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| 12:56.11 | sylvisj | valdyn: No, but I thought it might use a USB protocol, doesn't seem to. |
| 12:56.18 | sylvisj | It's PS/2. |
| 12:56.23 | ice_1963 | hello ..... is there a menu editor for Gnome ? |
| 12:57.18 | ice_1963 | like in kde |
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| 12:57.29 | sbeckett | how do you enable mouse in terminal? |
| 12:57.41 | sbeckett | how do you enable mouse in terminal-only mode? |
| 12:57.54 | jm_ | sylvisj: /prc/bus/input/devices lists detected devices, then again, might not be easy to check that with non-working keyboard (dmesg should also mention it) |
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| 12:57.58 | jm_ | sbeckett: install gpm |
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| 12:58.06 | jm_ | if you want mouse on console that is |
| 12:58.50 | sylvisj | No such file or directory |
| 12:58.55 | valdyn | sbeckett: apt-get install gpm |
| 12:58.58 | ScoobyD00 | can i use "apt-get -b" to build for a different architecture? |
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| 12:59.23 | valdyn | ScoobyD00: no |
| 12:59.24 | jm_ | should be /proc of course |
| 12:59.30 | ScoobyD00 | k ;o) |
| 12:59.48 | ice_1963 | owell jest google i gess |
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| 13:00.43 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1698 |
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| 13:01.21 | sylvisj | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1698 <-- My keyboard |
| 13:01.22 | sbeckett | thanks, gpm running now :P |
| 13:01.49 | sbeckett | back to geting my satgate2 internet card working |
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| 13:02.11 | bemor | Hi |
| 13:02.16 | bemor | I have installed and configrured a base debian install (added lots of packages and removed a few). On the source machine i did 'dpkg --get-selections "*" > pkg.txt' and on the destination machine: 'dpkg --set-selections < pkg.txt && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade'. Then I rsynced all the config files and it seems to work. However some packages that are not on the source are still installed on the destination (like portmap). How can i fix this, what do i do wrong? |
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| 13:02.56 | sylvisj | valdyn.. |
| 13:02.58 | sbeckett | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.10 | kurtak | Hello- is there a way for me to tell what nfs clients will be accepted by my nfs server? i edited /etc/exports and reloaded and restarted nfs with /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server reload/restart but i still get Permission denied from my client |
| 13:03.26 | jm_ | kurtak: mounting as root? |
| 13:03.50 | kurtak | jm_: oh, yes |
| 13:03.56 | jm_ | sbeckett: vga= kernel parameter, FB stuff, stm |
| 13:04.04 | jm_ | kurtak: do you use appropriate options to allow for that then? |
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| 13:04.41 | kurtak | jm_: No, not at all.... however, how can i use mount program as a user?? |
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| 13:05.03 | jm_ | kurtak: man fstab |
| 13:05.15 | jm_ | kurtak: and man mount |
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| 13:05.59 | piratemaster | hi all |
| 13:06.03 | kurtak | jm_: thanks, i know about fstab; is the best way then to go through setting up a mount point in fstab? |
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| 13:06.24 | jm_ | kurtak: no, it's really up to you - you can mount it as root as long as NFS server allows it |
| 13:07.01 | kurtak | jm_: I think it's nicer/safer to do everything as root |
| 13:07.15 | kurtak | jm_: i mean the opposite of that |
| 13:07.17 | piratemaster | when i try to ping my server from the gateway machine it's all fine. but when i try to reach it from my comp in front of the gateway its not |
| 13:07.23 | kurtak | jm_: nicer NOT to do everything as root |
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| 13:07.51 | piratemaster | no apache, nothing |
| 13:08.22 | bemor | Should i remove the dpkg package database before 'dpkg --set-selections'? |
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| 13:11.47 | valdyn | piratemaster: 'ping server' gives what ? |
| 13:12.01 | jm_ | kurtak: doesn't really matter much, mount has suid bit set |
| 13:12.34 | kurtak | jm_: So i added the nfs line in fstab, and tried "mount /mnt/nfs" and i get the same error- Permission denied |
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| 13:13.34 | jm_ | kurtak: check logs on the server |
| 13:13.45 | kurtak | jm_: alright, will do |
| 13:13.48 | jm_ | kurtak: also check if rpcinfo and showmount work from the client to the server |
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| 13:14.46 | valdyn | bemor: what will 'apt-get dist-upgrade' do if you run that? |
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| 13:17.02 | orlowsks | quick question..Is there a a way to upgrade one package and not all the packages? I have about 4 packages that want to be upgraded but i want to do it one at a time. |
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| 13:17.16 | jm_ | orlowsks: yes |
| 13:17.18 | valdyn | orlowsks: apt-get install <package to be upgraded > |
| 13:17.33 | orlowsks | Thank you |
| 13:17.42 | kurtak | jm_; i can't tell from the man file, does showmount show anything if there are no clients connected to the server? |
| 13:17.44 | ole220170 | hello I am just wondering if someone elese had this problem with "dpkg" before. |
| 13:18.03 | ole220170 | cause I am getting an error message back saying that the database |
| 13:18.06 | ole220170 | is locked |
| 13:18.22 | valdyn | !someone |
| 13:18.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:18.49 | ole220170 | and that honestly makes me wonder! |
| 13:18.52 | jm_ | kurtak: no, it doesn't matter if something is mounted or not |
| 13:18.55 | valdyn | ole220170: you need to be root, and you need to not run 2 instances of apt-get / synaptic / dpkg / aptitude etc at once |
| 13:19.25 | jm_ | kurtak: so the answer is - yes, it shows it |
| 13:19.32 | ole220170 | I was "root" using the su command and I hadn`t had any other pocesses |
| 13:19.43 | ole220170 | running - as far as I know |
| 13:19.53 | bemor | valdyn: it purges a few packages, and installs others |
| 13:19.59 | valdyn | ole220170: so your dpkg crashed earlier or you just kill -9 it |
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| 13:20.12 | valdyn | bemor: that right ones? |
| 13:20.16 | bemor | yes |
| 13:20.17 | ole220170 | can i reactivate it? |
| 13:20.21 | valdyn | bemor: fine |
| 13:21.07 | valdyn | bemor: dselect-upgrade might not remove packages marked for removal as that is not what dselect itself would do iirc |
| 13:21.16 | bemor | portmap e.g. is not installed on the source machine, and there is nothing about it in pkg.txt, but it is not removed from the destination machine |
| 13:21.19 | kurtak | jm_: oh, so when i do showmount <server ip> from the client, nothing is returned; does that mean the server needs to be reloaded or restarted ? |
| 13:21.34 | jm_ | kurtak: man exportfs |
| 13:21.53 | bemor | valdyn: is there a better way then to clone a debian installation (different hardware) |
| 13:22.08 | valdyn | !clone |
| 13:22.08 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 13:22.11 | kurtak | jm_: i couldn't find exportfs - it's not on this system, and apt=cache search doesn't find it either. is it apart of something else? |
| 13:22.12 | valdyn | ops |
| 13:22.18 | valdyn | !listkeys get-selections |
| 13:22.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'get-selections' by key returned no results. |
| 13:22.21 | jm_ | kurtak: it's on the server ... |
| 13:22.24 | valdyn | !listkeys --get-selections |
| 13:22.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of '--get-selections' by key returned no results. |
| 13:22.37 | valdyn | bemor: dist-upgrade maybe |
| 13:23.00 | ole220170 | valdyn am i having a chance to get dpkg reactivated? |
| 13:23.10 | petemc | !+debian clone |
| 13:23.10 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 13:23.15 | valdyn | ole220170: if no package manager is running, remove the lockfile |
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| 13:23.22 | fireba11 | bemor: what do you want to do ? |
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| 13:23.38 | bemor | clone a debian installation |
| 13:23.49 | valdyn | petemc: what he did, but that didnt remove the packages it should have |
| 13:23.51 | ole220170 | valdyn the Lockfile is where?And how do I have to remove it? |
| 13:23.59 | valdyn | ole220170: with rm |
| 13:24.01 | fireba11 | i mean what for ? usually the clone way above would be savest and really easy |
| 13:24.08 | valdyn | ole220170: /var/lock/ or /var/lib/dpkg/ or somesuch |
| 13:24.10 | kurtak | jm_: i did updatedb today, and when i do "locate exportfs", it only finds it in /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/fs/ |
| 13:24.19 | ole220170 | and it should be in /var/log? |
| 13:24.29 | valdyn | ole220170: LOCK not LOG |
| 13:24.41 | ole220170 | okay |
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| 13:25.20 | jm_ | kurtak: which NFS server do you have installed (I hope it's Debian, otherwise I can't help you)? |
| 13:25.28 | bemor | when i do on target: 'dpkg --set-selection < pkg.txt' portmap is still listed as 'instal', so it is not removed |
| 13:25.39 | ole220170 | valdyn: in my LOCK is just a apache2 file |
| 13:25.42 | kurtak | jm_: i installed with apt-get install nfs-user-server |
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| 13:25.54 | jm_ | kurtak: ahh yes, user-space server doesn't have that |
| 13:25.56 | valdyn | ole220170: so look in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 13:26.04 | bemor | can´t i tell dpkg --set-selection < pkg.txt to purge all packages not in pkg.txt? |
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| 13:26.35 | kurtak | jm_: Oh- so how does one do any kind of dynamic changes of nfs settings? |
| 13:26.46 | ole220170 | valdyn: yep, so I just removed the lock file and i`ll give it another try! |
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| 13:27.08 | kurtak | jm_: Should I have installed nfs-kernel-server?? |
| 13:27.10 | jm_ | kurtak: I don't remember, try man page for exports |
| 13:27.17 | jm_ | kurtak: it's up to you |
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| 13:27.30 | kurtak | jm_: no man pages found for exportfs |
| 13:27.38 | jm_ | kurtak: I said exports, not exportfs |
| 13:27.40 | tralala | kurtak: try exports not fs |
| 13:28.01 | kurtak | jm_: ahh, right |
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| 13:28.08 | valdyn | nfs-kernel-server: usr/share/man/man8/exportfs.8.gz |
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| 13:28.40 | jm_ | yeah but he has user space NFS server |
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| 13:29.27 | ole220170 | valdyn: thanks a lot!It worked just perfect!!!!!!! |
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| 13:35.27 | kurtak | jm_: Awesome, i got it working! Thank you very much for your time |
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| 13:37.21 | saboteur | can you set ip_no_pmtu_disc like you can syncookies and ip_forward (in /etc/network/options) - /etc/init.d/networking suggests otherwise, but i can't think of the "debian" way to do this |
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| 13:38.32 | nixie | does anyone know how to send keystrokes to a specific client window? i'm currently using xmacro which works for the X server, but this requires the application i send the keystrokes to, to be active and focused. |
| 13:38.34 | jm_ | kurtak: good |
| 13:38.49 | jm_ | saboteur: use sysctl.conf |
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| 13:40.10 | saboteur | jm_, thanks :) |
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| 13:43.12 | dli | in vim, what's the cmd to add one space after each character? |
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| 13:44.09 | tralala | dli: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 13:44.40 | dli | tralala, say, I have "text" and I want to change it to "t e x t " |
| 13:45.48 | tralala | dli: s/\(.\)/\1 /g |
| 13:46.05 | dli | tralala, :s/./& /g |
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| 13:46.48 | tralala | dli: thanks |
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| 13:47.05 | tralala | oh, wait - I wasn't asking that question! |
| 13:47.06 | dli | tralala, both work, thank you |
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| 13:47.53 | aethera_ | is openoffice 1.1 using gtk1? |
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| 13:49.08 | azeem | aethera_: no, I don't think so |
| 13:49.12 | ArtVandalae | Hello I'm trying to make my first .deb (just experimenting). I've successfully compiled and installed into my home dir, but now I need to figure out the dependencies. How can I do this? |
| 13:49.30 | aethera_ | azeem: hmmm |
| 13:49.32 | aethera_ | motif? |
| 13:49.41 | azeem | gtk2 |
| 13:49.42 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 13:49.49 | aethera_ | erm |
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| 13:49.55 | azeem | hrm, or maybe not |
| 13:49.59 | aethera_ | becayse my gtk theme has not effect on oo.org |
| 13:50.07 | aethera_ | its gtk1 I think |
| 13:50.09 | Guerin | i think most 1.1 builds used their own toolkit |
| 13:50.10 | jm_ | it doesn't list GTK as dependency at all |
| 13:50.11 | azeem | aethera_: install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome |
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| 13:50.20 | azeem | Guerin: right |
| 13:50.26 | azeem | it's a home-grown toolkit |
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| 13:50.32 | Guerin | definitely not gtk1 |
| 13:50.36 | aethera_ | hmm |
| 13:50.39 | aethera_ | because its ugly |
| 13:50.40 | aethera_ | :P |
| 13:50.44 | azeem | 14:44 < azeem> aethera_: install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome |
| 13:51.07 | jm_ | yeah it's important to have nice looking menus, because you spend your time looking at that rather than using it for real work |
| 13:51.27 | azeem | jm_: it's nice to have a consistent UI |
| 13:51.38 | azeem | so I value Novell's work to GTKify the OOo GUI |
| 13:51.38 | aethera_ | jm_: sarcasm is a nice thing puty it sucks when you use it |
| 13:51.43 | aethera_ | puty = pity |
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| 13:52.02 | jm_ | aethera_: at least I can use my brain to check package's dependencies ... |
| 13:52.06 | jm_ | unlike you |
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| 13:52.22 | aethera_ | jm_: I was asking not demanding shit |
| 13:52.24 | aethera_ | now sod off |
| 13:52.32 | jm_ | that doesn't make you less clueless |
| 13:52.34 | saboteur | just gotta say that FAI is /really/ cool, anyone else using it? :) |
| 13:52.35 | Guerin | if gtk1 supported unicode properly, I'd be *thrilled* to have everything use it |
| 13:52.37 | azeem | jm_: please refrain from ad hominem attacks in ehre |
| 13:52.39 | azeem | eh ,here |
| 13:52.43 | Guerin | gtk2 is *disgustingly* slow |
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| 13:53.07 | azeem | Guerin: maybe it's slow *because* it supports unicode? |
| 13:53.10 | azeem | or has to support |
| 13:53.32 | valdyn | its not that slow |
| 13:53.48 | Guerin | azeem: heh. xmms is gtk1 with hacked-in unicode support, and it's not slow. |
| 13:54.02 | Guerin | valdyn: it is compared to virtually any other toolkit there is |
| 13:54.06 | xored | where can i found the configuration for my raid1 ? I want to delete a raid1, but i do not know, where the "autocreation" is (mdadm) |
| 13:54.11 | Guerin | including qt |
| 13:54.20 | petemc | Guerin: are you still using an early pentium? |
| 13:54.26 | azeem | anyway, toolkit discussions shouldn't be the prime topic in here |
| 13:54.30 | xoz | problem with progs are... newer versions usually is bigger in size than the old one. but does this really improve the program? |
| 13:54.32 | Guerin | petemc: hey ... it's a pentium 2! |
| 13:54.36 | petemc | :) |
| 13:54.41 | jm_ | yeah I remember the feeling going from s-c to s-c-gtk2 |
| 13:54.52 | saboteur | xored: it's probably the FD partition type |
| 13:54.53 | Guerin | petemc: but seriously, it's not that snappy on a p4 either |
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| 13:55.12 | possie | hi |
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| 13:55.40 | aethera_ | thanks azeem |
| 13:55.54 | aethera_ | unlike some people we actually value your input |
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| 13:56.33 | allgo | are there success stories of debian on a macbook intel? |
| 13:56.57 | xoz | allgo: only XP |
| 13:56.58 | xored | saboteur: i had a md0, but no i changed the HDDs and want to make a bigger raid. So i deleted the old radi partition ( before i stopped the raid and backuped data) Buon startup he trys to recreate the old raid. Wher.. |
| 13:56.59 | azeem | are there any Linux success stories on those yet? |
| 13:57.15 | Guerin | aethera_: could you be less of an obsequious twat, please? |
| 13:57.22 | possie | anyone have a clue why webalizer might not resolve ip address correctly ? strange enough, it creates a dns_cache.db file correctly |
| 13:57.23 | valdyn | xored: how did you 'delete' that raid? |
| 13:57.56 | xored | valdyn: i just stopped it. I unmounted md0, then mdadm -S /dev/md0 |
| 13:58.20 | valdyn | xored: that doesnt delete the raid |
| 13:58.41 | xored | valdyn: i now, it just stops it. But how to "delete it" |
| 13:58.47 | xored | now = know |
| 13:59.09 | d4d0|work | kernel building: what was the make-kpkg option to create initrd too? |
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| 13:59.56 | ircdevil | what is a postscript point? |
| 14:00.21 | xored | valdyn: mdadm -r /dev/md0 ? |
| 14:01.43 | valdyn | xored: -r is for devices, i dont know how to 'delete' a raid, maybe removing each device does it, maybe not |
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| 14:02.09 | aimtrainer | Could anyone please tell me how to create an iso image from the files I ripped from a dvd (with dvdbackup) (7gb) with mkisofs. The --help is so freakin long that I dont really understand anything |
| 14:02.12 | aethera_ | whats the easiest way to test if my ati driver works fine? |
| 14:02.22 | Guerin | aethera_: glxgears |
| 14:02.36 | aethera_ | Guerin: I used that |
| 14:02.43 | aethera_ | but does that not just test 2d? |
| 14:02.51 | bibe | aethera_ : glxinfo |grep direct |
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| 14:03.16 | aethera_ | spawn:/home/aethera# glxinfo |grep direct |
| 14:03.17 | aethera_ | direct rendering: Yes |
| 14:03.51 | bibe | aethera_ : the drivers are working with 3d acceleration. try 'fgl_glxgears' |
| 14:04.16 | nvz | heh, my friends that just got a msg from me are gonna think I am nuts. I sent "Jewerkintoayomi?" to a couple people. |
| 14:04.21 | xored | valdyn: ok. no i need to create a raid1 out of hde12 and hdh5, do you have tips ? |
| 14:04.54 | nvz | man hde12? |
| 14:05.02 | valdyn | heh |
| 14:05.30 | nvz | het tje fuk out if gere man |
| 14:05.44 | nvz | you got like 4 ide cards and HUGE drives |
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| 14:06.20 | Denyerec | Ok... |
| 14:06.24 | Denyerec | so where's the samba GUI ? |
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| 14:06.34 | nvz | Denyerec: the what? |
| 14:06.35 | Denyerec | Debian + gnome-desktop-env + samba |
| 14:06.38 | valdyn | Denyerec: why would you need a gui for that? |
| 14:06.41 | Denyerec | Because |
| 14:06.45 | nvz | Denyerec: gnome desktop is the gui |
| 14:06.45 | Denyerec | and I will repeat this for the 26th time |
| 14:06.48 | Denyerec | I am an idiot. |
| 14:06.52 | jm_ | !tell Denyerec -about enter |
| 14:06.56 | Denyerec | Configuring things in VI or NANO is *not* an option at the time., |
| 14:06.56 | valdyn | Denyerec: then use mac os x |
| 14:06.58 | nvz | Denyerec: do you know what GNOME is? |
| 14:07.01 | azeem | Denyerec: it's called swat |
| 14:07.02 | Denyerec | Yes |
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| 14:07.07 | Denyerec | Gnome's a desktop env. |
| 14:07.09 | nvz | Denyerec: really what is it? |
| 14:07.11 | Denyerec | Full of little GUI's for tools |
| 14:07.13 | sep | !tell Denyerec abotu swat |
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| 14:07.16 | nvz | Denyerec: no its an acronym |
| 14:07.31 | sep | !tell Denyerec about swat |
| 14:07.32 | azeem | nvz: it isn't really used as an acronym these days anymore |
| 14:07.34 | pipeline | Denyerec: In theory, you can just right click on things and hit "share folder" |
| 14:07.35 | Brox | where can i change the background, font and coursor color of my console? |
| 14:07.54 | valdyn | haha |
| 14:07.59 | d4d0|work | hm is there really nobody who can help me out with that vhost issue... |
| 14:08.00 | pipeline | nvz: Given that GNOME no longer has the N, O, or M I don't think it's really worth using it as an acronym. :P |
| 14:08.03 | valdyn | Brox: why the hell? |
| 14:08.03 | nvz | azeem: yeah well if he means a client interface not a configuration one, gnome's nautilus has it covered its right in front of his face |
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| 14:08.16 | Denyerec | I've seen SWAT before, but in Fedora there was simply an entry on the applications menu for SAMBA config |
| 14:08.20 | nvz | pipeline: heh, ok whatever :P |
| 14:08.32 | azeem | pipeline: it's questionable whether the G still holds as well |
| 14:08.32 | Denyerec | And, foolishly, figured that there might be an analogous entry on the Debian apps menu. |
| 14:08.42 | azeem | the E is still accurate, though |
| 14:08.53 | valdyn | Denyerec: have you installed swat yet? |
| 14:08.59 | pipeline | azeem: How so? Everything is still licensed under GNU licenses. The "E" is on much shakier ground :P |
| 14:09.08 | Denyerec | I did on Fedora a while back. |
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| 14:09.13 | Denyerec | But as I said just there. |
| 14:09.17 | azeem | pipeline: Linux is also licensed under GNU license. Doesn't make it a GNU project |
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| 14:09.23 | Denyerec | In Fedora there was a *dead simple* GUI for handling Samba's config |
| 14:09.23 | valdyn | Denyerec: so install it in debian |
| 14:09.26 | pipeline | azeem: *shrug* |
| 14:09.27 | azeem | a GNU project is a technical term, and GNOME was started as one |
| 14:09.41 | azeem | doesn't have much relationship with the GNU project these days anymore, though |
| 14:09.53 | Denyerec | A web based admin would imply I have a web server, wouldn't it ? |
| 14:09.54 | pipeline | azeem: lots of affiliated projects don't |
| 14:09.57 | valdyn | !find shares-admin sarge |
| 14:10.10 | Denyerec | This thing in Fedora was a damn simple, straight to the point little GUI frontend for configuring Samba and adding users, etc |
| 14:10.14 | Denyerec | It was not SWAT. |
| 14:10.17 | nvz | azeem: well, we cant just call it E thats taken already |
| 14:10.18 | valdyn | Denyerec: try running 'shares-admin' |
| 14:10.25 | Denyerec | val, shall try. |
| 14:10.28 | azeem | nvz: That's why we call it GNOME |
| 14:10.34 | valdyn | !find shares-admin sarge |
| 14:10.39 | valdyn | !find shares-admin sid |
| 14:10.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'shares-admin' returned no results. |
| 14:10.51 | Denyerec | NO such thing : |
| 14:10.52 | Denyerec | :/ |
| 14:11.11 | valdyn | Denyerec: thought so, its not in sarge, you can still use swat though |
| 14:11.30 | Denyerec | So I have to install and configure Apache 1st. |
| 14:11.45 | Denyerec | ? |
| 14:11.54 | valdyn | Denyerec: you just have to run 'apt-get install swat' |
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| 14:12.38 | aethera_ | anyone here use tvtime? |
| 14:12.41 | chealer | !info kdenetwork-filesharing |
| 14:12.44 | dpkg | kdenetwork-filesharing: (network filesharing configuration module for KDE), section net, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1998 kB |
| 14:12.44 | aethera_ | Checking 51.50 MHz:^X - No signal |
| 14:12.48 | aethera_ | thats all it does |
| 14:12.48 | azeem | gnome-system-tools: /usr/bin/shares-admin |
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| 14:12.53 | aethera_ | does not find any channel |
| 14:12.57 | azeem | that's from Ubuntu breezy though |
| 14:13.00 | Denyerec | I'm boggled by the fact that there's so little sysconfig stuff in Gnome+Debian |
| 14:13.04 | Denyerec | I installed gnome-system-tools |
| 14:13.09 | Denyerec | it did.... *almost* nothing |
| 14:13.13 | valdyn | azeem: its in sid too, probably even in etch, just not in sarge |
| 14:13.16 | Denyerec | I can now edit the clock and users. |
| 14:13.21 | jm_ | maybe that's because Debian does *not* use sysconfig ... |
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| 14:13.22 | azeem | right |
| 14:13.32 | aethera_ | cna I go from sarge to etch? |
| 14:13.39 | azeem | aethera_: yes, but not back |
| 14:13.43 | aethera_ | ah |
| 14:13.44 | Denyerec | You can move straight from sarge to sid, right ? |
| 14:13.44 | aethera_ | good |
| 14:13.45 | azeem | aethera_: so think twice |
| 14:13.52 | Guerin | Denyerec: not really |
| 14:13.54 | valdyn | Denyerec: the preferred and supported way in debian is to edit the config files for most things |
| 14:14.00 | nvz | aethera_: or think about reinstalling cause thats the way you go back |
| 14:14.00 | Guerin | Denyerec: it's possible, but you have to be a ninja |
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| 14:14.11 | aethera_ | is etch bad? |
| 14:14.16 | Guerin | aethera_: define bad |
| 14:14.25 | azeem | aethera_: it is less stable than stable, obviously |
| 14:14.32 | nvz | aethera_: could be bad how? when? now? how about now? where? here? or there? |
| 14:14.34 | Denyerec | Guerin - I'm sure I read somewhere that to update to it you had to swap your repos over and update ? |
| 14:14.43 | bibe | aethera_ : and less unstable than unstable |
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| 14:14.54 | aethera_ | so its not really worth it |
| 14:14.56 | Denyerec | someone pointed me to a thing starting with K yesterday |
| 14:15.00 | Guerin | Denyerec: that's true. But the reality is sometimes a bit more tricky. |
| 14:15.24 | raamcm | Hi guys |
| 14:15.31 | Denyerec | Well I know for a fact I can't configure things by hand. I can just about do Apache. |
| 14:15.32 | aethera_ | hmmm |
| 14:15.37 | Denyerec | Everything else I've tried I've broken, badly. |
| 14:15.38 | aethera_ | anyone here have tv tuners? |
| 14:15.43 | nvz | Denyerec: kcontrol though we just went over how thats not in sarge the konfiguration for samba |
| 14:15.55 | Denyerec | nvz no, it was some distro based on Sid. |
| 14:15.59 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 14:15.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:16.07 | Guerin | !anyone use tv tuners? |
| 14:16.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses tv tuners, not even the people who use it. |
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| 14:16.17 | aethera_ | eish |
| 14:16.23 | pipeline | Denyerec: There are lots of those. |
| 14:16.26 | nvz | !based on debian |
| 14:16.27 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:16.33 | aethera_ | ok does anyone here use tv time because it scans for channels but says no signal |
| 14:16.46 | Guerin | !anyone use tv time |
| 14:16.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses tv time, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:16.57 | aethera_ | Guerin: shut up |
| 14:16.58 | aethera_ | please |
| 14:17.12 | valdyn | !tell aethera_ -about smart questions |
| 14:17.19 | Guerin | aethera_: no, I won't. Ask the fucking question you want answered. |
| 14:17.38 | Guerin | aethera_: if you really want to know who uses $someprogram, you're in the wrong channel |
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| 14:17.52 | aethera_ | Guerin: I have I am asking if anyone used it before and got the same errors |
| 14:17.58 | weasel | .oO( anyone use debian? ) |
| 14:18.03 | stew | aethera_: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:18.14 | nvz | damn, beat me to the bts button |
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| 14:18.18 | Guerin | aethera_: you need to be specific about the errors. |
| 14:18.26 | aethera_ | Guerin: I have!!!1 |
| 14:18.37 | aethera_ | Checking 44.75 MHz: - No signal |
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| 14:18.48 | aethera_ | It always says no signal |
| 14:18.51 | aethera_ | no matter what |
| 14:18.56 | Guerin | aethera_: I'd say you have no signal. |
| 14:19.03 | aethera_ | Guerin: fuck off |
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| 14:19.10 | nvz | heh |
| 14:19.17 | Denyerec | Kanotix! |
| 14:19.20 | valdyn | aethera_: so your cable is not connected properly or you have no signal on that cable that is connected properly |
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| 14:19.27 | Denyerec | You might wanna add Kanotix to that list. |
| 14:19.30 | jm_ | quality |
| 14:19.36 | nvz | Guerin: why do people reject intelligent answers to stupid questions? |
| 14:19.37 | Guerin | aethera_: look, you dumb bastard, I'm trying to help you hone your question so someone might actually fucking help you. As it stands currently, you're going to get ignored. |
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| 14:19.58 | Guerin | ah well |
| 14:19.59 | JohnCC | I'm buying a new computer (for development - java and as a low traffic server), I'm currently torn between two systems that are identical except one has a AMD Semptron 2800+ 64Bit and the other has a P4 505 533MHz for $100 more... will the 64Bit give me any trouble with Debian (or other linux apps) and which system would you guys recommend? |
| 14:20.02 | Guerin | aethera_: look, you dumb bastard, I'm trying to help you hone your question so someone might actually fucking help you. As it stands currently, you're going to get ignored. |
| 14:20.08 | Guerin | there we go again |
| 14:20.23 | azeem | Guerin: abye you overlooked his question? |
| 14:20.26 | azeem | maybe even |
| 14:20.27 | threat | JohnCC, Semptron! |
| 14:20.36 | jm_ | JohnCC: there's Debian for AMD64, but not all the software works on it yet, you can easily use it as 32bit though |
| 14:20.38 | Guerin | azeem: no. |
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| 14:21.09 | maruz | dselect: the access method area is already locked how can unlock it? |
| 14:21.12 | azeem | Guerin: if you don't want to help people, just /ignore them please, don't try to belittle them |
| 14:21.23 | streuner | azeem: <Guerin> aethera_: I'd say you have no signal. |
| 14:21.23 | streuner | <aethera_> Guerin: fuck off |
| 14:21.24 | JohnCC | jm_: ok, that's good... so if you have a 64Bit processor, it'll always run in 32bit for any app? |
| 14:21.25 | threat | JohnCC, actually the ummm K7? lol I forgot the name of the new AMD 64bit chip :P the one thats not the sempron |
| 14:21.27 | Guerin | azeem: please read what I wrote above. |
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| 14:21.33 | azeem | 15:14 < Guerin> aethera_: look, you dumb bastard, |
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| 14:21.40 | jm_ | JohnCC: if you run a 32bit distribution yes |
| 14:21.41 | Guerin | streuner: THAT was sarcasm on my part. |
| 14:21.49 | threat | JohnCC, 64XP or FS or something |
| 14:22.04 | Guerin | but the point remains, by asking "Who uses $foo", he's going to get *nothing* in here. |
| 14:22.14 | valdyn | Semprons arent 64 bit afaik |
| 14:22.19 | jm_ | new ones are |
| 14:22.23 | streuner | hm |
| 14:22.24 | valdyn | all they do is fit in a socket that takes 64 bit cpus |
| 14:22.25 | azeem | Guerin: he said he had no signal |
| 14:22.35 | JohnCC | jm_: ahh, but if I run a 64bit distribution, then I'm "locked in" and can only run 64Bit apps (unless I reformat I guess)? |
| 14:22.39 | azeem | Guerin: you just kept on repeating that !anyone uses thing |
| 14:22.43 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.53 | jm_ | JohnCC: corrrect, you can also install 32bit chroot, but it takes more space |
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| 14:23.06 | Guerin | azeem: he didn't give the ACTUAL error message until I did it again. |
| 14:23.20 | aethera_ | Guerin: maybe because that was the actual error message? |
| 14:23.30 | Guerin | anyway, I don't give much of a fuck |
| 14:23.33 | JohnCC | valdyn: www.canadacomputers.com -> go to computer systems and look at the first one (web surfer S2800) |
| 14:23.39 | azeem | Guerin: fine, /ignore him |
| 14:23.54 | azeem | aethera_: you could ignore Guerin, too, btw |
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| 14:24.03 | aethera_ | thanks azeem |
| 14:24.09 | Rus | hi all |
| 14:24.10 | xored | someone got a clue how to reamove an raid1 ? |
| 14:24.34 | nvz | xored: sawzall/tigersaw |
| 14:25.09 | nvz | doesnt matter what size screws you used with one of those or what head is on them for that matter |
| 14:25.24 | azeem | nvz: what is that supposed to mean? |
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| 14:25.36 | nvz | azeem: you can remove anything with a tigersaw man |
| 14:25.43 | azeem | nvz: how is that helpful here? |
| 14:25.54 | azeem | nvz: if you do not want to be helpful, talk in #debian-offtopic, please |
| 14:25.55 | valdyn | JohnCC: i dont trust vendors labeling, going to look at amd.com though |
| 14:26.02 | xored | nvz: how funny ... |
| 14:26.18 | Rus | when i updated from testing to unstable - should i have changed from deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 14:26.30 | azeem | Rus: there's no security support for unstable |
| 14:26.31 | Rus | to deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main |
| 14:26.42 | azeem | so there's no use to change that |
| 14:26.42 | Rus | in sources.list |
| 14:26.44 | nvz | Rus: testing and unstable dont have security updates |
| 14:26.49 | azeem | nvz: uhm, testing has |
| 14:26.51 | stew | nvz: testing does |
| 14:26.56 | stew | nvz: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 14:27.00 | valdyn | JohnCC: amd knows nothing about a Sempron64 product |
| 14:27.03 | nvz | azeem: still has security? |
| 14:27.06 | azeem | still? |
| 14:27.24 | nvz | I thought that was a temporrary thing |
| 14:27.32 | Rus | nvz: thanx it didnt say that in man sources.list |
| 14:27.34 | aethera_ | azeem: i think I found something |
| 14:27.43 | fireba11 | valdyn JohnCC there's no such thing as sempron64 |
| 14:27.44 | azeem | nvz: you were wrong, then |
| 14:27.51 | nvz | Rus: no doubt. |
| 14:28.05 | valdyn | fireba11: yea that's what im trying to tell ) |
| 14:28.25 | JohnCC | valdyn fireba11: I guess that should make me think twice about buying from them if they're putting an imaginary processor into it, eh? :-) |
| 14:28.37 | jm_ | valdyn: the same name is used for it ... |
| 14:28.40 | nvz | when man starts using rss or something to make live manpages and we got people sitting around updating them all the time they probably wont know anything new |
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| 14:29.11 | Rus | another thing to get acces to all debian packages is it deb ftp://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free free non-us |
| 14:29.15 | nvz | should setup a manpage wiki and make a backend for man to access it or something |
| 14:29.18 | xored | i just changed a HDD to get a larger raid1. My old raid /dev/md0 should no be removed, so that i can recreate a new, bigger raid. Someoone can tell me how to delete the old one ? I just stopped it with -S , then mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level - n2 /dev/hde12 /dev/hde5 -> then he syncs but shos me the old size |
| 14:29.28 | Rus | or without the free non-us |
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| 14:29.40 | nvz | Rus: there is no non-us, never really was |
| 14:29.50 | azeem | nvz: ugh |
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| 14:29.59 | valdyn | jm_: if you can show me a 64bit capable sempron on amd.com ill believe you |
| 14:30.06 | azeem | Rus: there's no free either |
| 14:30.07 | nvz | azeem: what? that was ages ago and it had what like 2 packages? |
| 14:30.13 | azeem | "never was" |
| 14:30.18 | azeem | it *was* huge |
| 14:30.34 | nvz | azeem: oh, well I dont remember then.. |
| 14:30.37 | azeem | nvz: anyway, you are right insofar as it was another server and not a component like contrib or non-free |
| 14:31.07 | Rus | free is in main right? |
| 14:31.14 | azeem | Rus: there is no "free" |
| 14:31.19 | azeem | in technical terms |
| 14:31.28 | azeem | but if you want, free is in main, yes |
| 14:31.39 | Rus | :) |
| 14:31.42 | nvz | Rus: main is the mainstream dfsg compliant debian archives :) |
| 14:31.55 | threat | in C++, class ClassName; or class class_name; ? |
| 14:32.11 | resiak | Why not ask #c++? |
| 14:32.15 | nvz | Rus: contrib is stuff that depends on non-dfsg stuff to work, and non-free is just stuff that doesnt comply |
| 14:32.23 | JohnCC | xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050610112405.html |
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| 14:32.26 | threat | resiak, I am |
| 14:32.27 | resiak | s/depends on/& or recommends/ |
| 14:32.29 | threat | resiak, no reply |
| 14:32.32 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 14:32.32 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:32.40 | pipeline | threat: There's no standard way to handle it. Also, C++ sucks. |
| 14:32.42 | Rus | I see |
| 14:32.43 | resiak | threat: The answer is "it's up to you." |
| 14:32.44 | threat | dpkg, :P |
| 14:32.44 | dpkg | i heard p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 14:32.49 | threat | pipeline, you suck |
| 14:32.50 | Rus | thanx again |
| 14:32.52 | threat | resiak, ok |
| 14:33.15 | nvz | Rus: like the 'free' emulators for 'non-free' games are contrib, or the packages that install java or flash for you from their respective non-free vendors are contrib |
| 14:33.50 | nvz | actually I think those are non-free |
| 14:33.51 | JohnCC | tomshardware.com/2005/08/01/a_dissatifying_compromise_with_amd/ |
| 14:33.52 | SerajewelKS | nvz: zsnes is in main |
| 14:34.01 | nvz | I think someone should throw a policy card at me |
| 14:34.07 | SerajewelKS | nvz: it only goes in contrib if it *requires* a non-free package |
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| 14:34.35 | jm_ | valdyn: now that's a good challenge |
| 14:34.36 | SerajewelKS | nvz: emulators don't go in contrib because they can be used with free roms, but more directly because they don't depend on a non-free package |
| 14:35.18 | valdyn | jm_: they're really trying to hide that, but i guess i was wrong as i found information on heise.de |
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| 14:36.05 | jm_ | valdyn: yeah the same with Semprons made for Socket939 |
| 14:37.14 | SerajewelKS | nvz: IMO java-package should be in main too -- you can use it with FOSS VMs |
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| 14:37.30 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: like for example ? |
| 14:37.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: isn't blackdown foss? |
| 14:37.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no |
| 14:37.54 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I was wondering if it would work with the wireless toolkid, J2SE or such other packages.. but probably not |
| 14:37.56 | JohnCC | so, what do you guys think, would the pentium 4 505 be worth $100 more then the sempron 2800+? |
| 14:38.22 | SerajewelKS | nvz: what do you mean |
| 14:38.41 | nvz | SerajewelKS: like build debs for other sun installers |
| 14:39.01 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i could be wrong, but iirc blackdown's only difference to sun's java is that it a port not done by sun itself |
| 14:39.10 | nvz | SerajewelKS: like the sdk and the wireless toolkit for J2ME developers |
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| 14:39.26 | SerajewelKS | nvz: afaik that would violate sun's redistribution policy |
| 14:39.41 | SerajewelKS | nvz: oh you mean have java-package build them? |
| 14:39.47 | nvz | yes |
| 14:40.05 | nvz | java is more than the j2re linux installer |
| 14:40.08 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i've used java-package with the j2me sdk |
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| 14:40.16 | nvz | really? |
| 14:40.28 | SerajewelKS | nvz: yeah, i'm pretty sure i did at some point 'cause i remember using it |
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| 14:40.42 | nvz | SerajewelKS: how high are you right now? :P |
| 14:40.55 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i just woke up |
| 14:41.04 | nvz | might have been a dream |
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| 14:41.20 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i don't think so ;) |
| 14:41.23 | nvz | I dunno I guess I can try.. I didnt figure it could |
| 14:41.25 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i might have installed to ~ too |
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| 14:41.46 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i bet that's what i did |
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| 14:42.10 | nvz | I need to setup stuff to try and make some programs for my phone.. there are quite a few things I would like to do.. mostly network applications |
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| 14:42.53 | stew | there aren't any "me" versions in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 14:43.09 | SerajewelKS | yeah i must have used ~ as the install root |
| 14:43.41 | nvz | j2me looks pretty damn simple its a reall small subset of the basic java classes and a few custom classes that are vary on different hardware. |
| 14:44.07 | nvz | stew: you use the regular sdk, and there is a "wireless toolkit" that contains dev tools, like emulators and extra stuff |
| 14:45.07 | xored_ | nobody can help me to clear my raid ? |
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| 14:45.43 | nvz | I can develop j2me cldc midp midlets for free with stuff from sun on linux.. most other dev tools I found like ones using BASIC and pascal, are windows based.. but came with full IDE's with sprite editors and all |
| 14:46.07 | SerajewelKS | are there any utilities in debian to solve derivatives and/or integrals? |
| 14:46.09 | aethera_ | how do you change the bttv tuner? |
| 14:46.13 | nvz | I got a book on that ordered and a book on Java servlets |
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| 14:46.19 | SerajewelKS | solve e.g. simplify, not numerically solve |
| 14:46.26 | aethera_ | mine loads at bttv 1 |
| 14:46.32 | aethera_ | bttv0: using tuner=-1 |
| 14:47.01 | xoz | maxima, R, |
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| 14:47.50 | Amarande | G'morning. |
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| 14:48.20 | xoz | SerajewelKS: ^^ |
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| 14:48.41 | SerajewelKS | xoz: is maxima in a package? |
| 14:48.45 | Amarande | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO .... |
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| 14:48.51 | Amarande | Dammit. |
| 14:48.51 | k31th | Guys i have a sata card here running two 80gig satas in raid1, how do i get it to boot off the sata drive ? |
| 14:48.57 | k31th | pci card |
| 14:49.07 | Amarande | I sprung for Next Day Air from Newegg so that nVidia card will get here quickly. |
| 14:49.15 | k31th | would it be easyer just to stick in a ide disc for booting ? |
| 14:49.16 | Amarande | Well ... then I find it's coming from their NJ warehouse anyway. |
| 14:49.24 | SerajewelKS | !info maxima |
| 14:49.25 | Amarande | Which means even 3-day or Ground would have got here the next day. :P |
| 14:49.26 | xoz | SerajewelKS: yep... maxima and xmaxima |
| 14:49.29 | Amarande | And so I've wasted my money. |
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| 14:49.43 | SerajewelKS | xoz: dpkg doesn't know about them |
| 14:49.54 | Amarande | k31th: is your BIOS set to boot from SATA? |
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| 14:50.02 | SerajewelKS | !info maxima stable |
| 14:50.05 | Amarande | the boot drive is normally set in your BIOS, not Linux |
| 14:50.08 | dpkg | maxima: (A fairly complete computer algebra system-- base system), section math, is optional. Version: 5.9.1-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 8085 kB, Installed size: 27508 kB |
| 14:50.10 | ne0futur | hi all |
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| 14:50.12 | xoz | !info maxima sid |
| 14:50.17 | SerajewelKS | xoz: it's been removed from sid? |
| 14:50.20 | tuv | what could cause this message in the browser: "the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." |
| 14:50.22 | ne0futur | what could explain this kind of traffic ? : |
| 14:50.23 | k31th | Amarande: not support for it.. out of despiration i tried scsi... no luck tho |
| 14:50.24 | ne0futur | Jan 30 14:49:08 localhost kernel: Shorewall:all2all:REJECT:IN= OUT=lo SRC=127.0.0.1 DST=127.0.0.1 LEN=880 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=10678 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=32770 DPT=32770 LEN=860 |
| 14:50.37 | tuv | apache webserver |
| 14:50.38 | Amarande | k31th: does your BIOS have an option for booting 'other devices'? |
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| 14:50.57 | k31th | Amarande: no |
| 14:51.01 | k31th | its only a p3 |
| 14:51.04 | Amarande | Okay, I don't know why I expected Newegg to have shipped my order out yet. |
| 14:51.19 | Amarande | Even though it comes from NJ, the order times seem to indicate their processing is done on the West Coast. |
| 14:51.31 | PsySine | how is the journalling in debian on ext3 by default? metadata or also file contents? |
| 14:51.38 | k31th | Amarande: tbh it doesnt need to be a beast serving files for 4 people via samba thats it. |
| 14:51.44 | linoleum | hi, I 'm going to have a keybord with a touchpad , so I would like a tool to configure it. I am under KDE, and there is Two tools for that : Qsynaptics et Ksynaptics ... hum, wich one should I install?? I dont understand the difference between them |
| 14:51.46 | SerajewelKS | xoz: the source package exists, i guess i can try to build that |
| 14:51.52 | stew | PsySine: metadata |
| 14:51.59 | Amarande | k31th: you might be better off getting SCSI drives and a SCSI card, if you really want RAID |
| 14:52.01 | xoz | SerajewelKS: it is in sid |
| 14:52.10 | xoz | SerajewelKS: it should also be in stable |
| 14:52.10 | Amarande | SCSI tends to be more robust and better supported, anyway. |
| 14:52.15 | Amarande | Of course, there goes money. |
| 14:52.23 | SerajewelKS | xoz: it's not in sid |
| 14:52.24 | cisse | 4 people samba: run sata raid1 |
| 14:52.26 | Amarande | But if you really want your computer to work well, you have to be willing to spend, and spend, and possibly spend some more. |
| 14:52.31 | SerajewelKS | xoz: not according to dpkg |
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| 14:52.40 | Amarande | Like I'm doing right now. I made the mistake of getting a Radeon X1600, so now I'm waiting for a GeForce 6600 to come. :/ |
| 14:52.51 | xoz | SerajewelKS: what about etch? |
| 14:52.51 | Amarande | Hell, they haven't even worked the bugs out of the X1600 in Windows yet. |
| 14:52.53 | cisse | Amarande: scsi raid is great, seems overkill for him |
| 14:52.58 | PsySine | stew: thanks |
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| 14:53.06 | Amarande | The only person I know who's actually happy with his or her X1600 ... uses a Mac. |
| 14:53.10 | SerajewelKS | xoz: apt-cache doesn't show it |
| 14:53.20 | SerajewelKS | xoz: if p.d.o was up i'd grab the sid build =/ |
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| 14:53.34 | Amarande | Maybe I should have just gotten a Mac ... heh |
| 14:53.54 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: and tie yourself down to mac hardware? |
| 14:54.01 | k31th | Amarande: not worth it for wat i need tbh most of the files are very small. and mostly only 2 users. TBH not worth going scsi |
| 14:54.28 | Amarande | dang, I actually had to ask dpkg what tbh meant. :) |
| 14:54.31 | k31th | simple raid1 incase a disc blows up will be fine |
| 14:54.33 | Amarande | All these newfangled acronyms. :) |
| 14:54.33 | tuv | i get "the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." in the browser, what could make apache2 make this? |
| 14:54.42 | k31th | Amarande: :D |
| 14:55.06 | Amarande | Anyway, I looked at the xorg docs and it appears that I definitely CAN use a GeForce 6600. |
| 14:55.21 | Amarande | Which means I can at least have good refresh and res and such while I get the proprietary 3D drivers working. |
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| 14:56.00 | Amarande | Heck, apparently I could even run Sarge with a 6600. |
| 14:56.17 | Amarande | Though why would I want to when etch seems to be working just fine. |
| 14:56.30 | Amarande | Speaking of which, would it be better if I changed my apt-sources to refer to "etch" instead of "testing"? |
| 14:56.40 | Amarande | So when etch actually gets released, I'll still be on etch? |
| 14:56.45 | xoz | SerajewelKS: you can also install scilab |
| 14:56.55 | azeem | Amarande: yes |
| 14:57.28 | resiak | !wwer |
| 14:57.29 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 14:57.57 | Amarande | Why was there such a big spike in the number of bugs, anyway? |
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| 14:58.28 | SerajewelKS | !info scilab |
| 14:58.30 | dpkg | scilab: (Matrix-based scientific software package (a la Matlab and Xmath)), section non-free/math, is optional. Version: 3.0-14 (sid), Packaged size: 2464 kB, Installed size: 28980 kB |
| 14:58.37 | resiak | Transitions. Read the debian-devel-announce archives |
| 14:58.37 | resiak | HTH |
| 14:58.43 | SerajewelKS | xoz: that's not in etch either but i'll grab it from sid too |
| 14:58.48 | Amarande | BTW, how do you check from the commandline the version of a package that you have installed? |
| 14:58.55 | stew | Amarande: the big spike was for the mass filing when xlibs-dev was removed |
| 14:59.14 | Amarande | stew: wait, what replaces xlibs-dev now? |
| 14:59.22 | Amarande | or are there no development lib files for X in etch currently? |
| 14:59.56 | xoz | SerajewelKS: no, grab it from http://www.scilab.org |
| 15:00.03 | stew | Amarande: x is being modularized, so now you must depend on the particualr pieces you need instead of bringing in all of the xlibs |
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| 15:00.24 | Netsnipe | hey everyone |
| 15:00.28 | SerajewelKS | xoz: ah, it's in non-free. what's wrong with the .debs? |
| 15:00.57 | Netsnipe | has anyone gotten postfix to use maildirs on debian? |
| 15:01.24 | Netsnipe | I've added "home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 15:01.24 | Netsnipe | " to /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 15:01.37 | SerajewelKS | xoz: scilab.org doesn't have debs |
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| 15:01.41 | Amarande | By the way, will GPL3 things be considered non-free? |
| 15:01.45 | Netsnipe | but my mail is still ending up in the mbox /var/mail/spool/netsnipe |
| 15:02.21 | nvz | there is no gpl3? |
| 15:02.22 | stew | Amarande: until GPL3 is finalized, there is no way to know |
| 15:02.38 | Amarande | I hope Stallman gets a hold of himself. |
| 15:02.42 | Amarande | GPL3 as I'm hearing it ... |
| 15:02.47 | Amarande | well, we might as well just go back to Windows now |
| 15:02.51 | xoz | SerajewelKS: no need. it is very easy to install. get the tar ball... |
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| 15:02.55 | azeem | Amarande: the GPL3 doesn't look so bad so far |
| 15:02.55 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: what's wrong with gpl3 |
| 15:03.07 | cisse | linus seemed unhappy about v3 |
| 15:03.09 | Amarande | Stallman's ideas about that GPL3 stuff shouldn't be able to do DRM or similar. |
| 15:03.19 | xoz | SerajewelKS: it has binary file which can be run without compilation. |
| 15:03.20 | Amarande | At least that's the drift I got from the news from linux.org. |
| 15:03.23 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: and that's bad? |
| 15:03.33 | Amarande | Sera: When it comes to interoperability with Windows, yeah. |
| 15:03.34 | SerajewelKS | xoz: hrm.. |
| 15:03.39 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: true |
| 15:03.43 | Amarande | Especially if we want commercial support for Linux and similar to continue. |
| 15:03.45 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: isn't this ssh session DRMed comms? |
| 15:03.56 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: no |
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| 15:04.04 | Amarande | We'll be so marginalized by Stallman's politics that we'll have to go crawling back to Windows, or else maybe go to BSD or something. |
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| 15:04.15 | Amarande | Wait, BSD uses gcc, though :/ |
| 15:04.17 | Amarande | And that's the real thing. |
| 15:04.23 | Amarande | If gcc goes GPL3, we could be screwed. |
| 15:04.30 | Dewi | ? |
| 15:04.30 | xoz | SerajewelKS: you can try. if maxima or R can't answer your questions, scilab may. it has very powerful simulation/mathematical packages similar to matlab. |
| 15:04.38 | Dewi | Amarande: I don't think you need GPL to build BSD |
| 15:04.43 | stew | Amarande: we wouldn't be screwed at all |
| 15:04.45 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: DRM is about managing rights, not merely encryption |
| 15:04.47 | Dewi | Amarande: perhaps I'm wrong but... doesn't sound right |
| 15:04.49 | Amarande | stew: if gcc goes GPL3 |
| 15:04.53 | nvz | Amarande: nobody ever gets screwed |
| 15:04.53 | stew | Amarande: yes |
| 15:05.03 | Amarande | that would mean that it would be against the law to compile anything that does anything to do with DRM with gcc |
| 15:05.06 | stew | Amarande: we weren't screwed when xfree went non-free |
| 15:05.09 | Amarande | what would we use, assembly? :) |
| 15:05.09 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: no |
| 15:05.14 | nvz | Amarande: you just cut people out of the picture and run the other way |
| 15:05.17 | Dewi | Amarande: no, only new versions of gcc |
| 15:05.24 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: gcc's license does not extend to the programs you compile with it |
| 15:05.24 | Dewi | Amarande: and only if such a restriction is itself legal |
| 15:05.29 | Dewi | Amarande: which it probably isn't |
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| 15:05.46 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: otherwise how could commercial developers use gcc? |
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| 15:06.14 | Amarande | Dewi: Hmm, does this also mean that EULA's prohibiting, say, using the output of a program commercially (independent of the program that generated it), are also paper tigers? |
| 15:06.16 | stew | Amarande: we still have a free version of xfree in sarge even though the upstream version is non-free |
| 15:06.17 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: that's Amarande's point really :P |
| 15:06.21 | azeem | GPLv3 is off topic here |
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| 15:06.28 | Dewi | azeem: right |
| 15:06.41 | pjv | anyone here use wine with dcom? |
| 15:06.54 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use wine with dcom |
| 15:06.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses wine with dcom, not even the people who use it. |
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| 15:07.10 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: that's really annoying |
| 15:07.23 | nvz | azeem: so are EULA's and commercial software? |
| 15:07.26 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: it's like we're meant to ask questions like "MORBO DEMANDS THAT YOU TELL ME HOW TO USE DCOM WITH WINE" |
| 15:07.37 | threat | !anyone pay attention to dpkg |
| 15:07.38 | tralala | Dewi: more or less than the "anyone use" questions? |
| 15:07.45 | threat | hmm |
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| 15:08.08 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: pjv should know better than to ask questions like that |
| 15:08.09 | nvz | azeem: how'd that troll taste btw? I see you were the first one to bite him :P |
| 15:08.19 | azeem | hrm? |
| 15:08.42 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: well, what should they ask? "is it possible to use wine with dcom?" somebody answers, "probably if you code it!" |
| 15:08.59 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I just think that any question can be subverted in this way |
| 15:09.02 | nvz | just surprised how many people bought into a troll about a lisc that doesnt exist |
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| 15:09.11 | Amarande | Troll? Ehh. Just concerned about the future of Debian and Linux as an OS that can still handle mainstream things. :) |
| 15:09.30 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: asking if it's possible is acceptable. asking if anyone uses it is annoying and pointless. |
| 15:09.34 | azeem | nvz: nevertheless, it is important to follow the GPLv3 process, but this is off-topic here |
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| 15:09.36 | pjv | i'm sorry dewi, my bad |
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| 15:09.51 | nvz | Amarande: one person didnt make debian what it is today, and one person will not stop it tomorrow or any day in the future |
| 15:10.02 | azeem | nvz: http://www.newsforge.com/articles/06/01/27/1432248.shtml?tid=31 |
| 15:10.13 | Denyerec | So. |
| 15:10.15 | Denyerec | SWAT needs Apache. |
| 15:10.17 | Denyerec | Wunderbar. |
| 15:10.30 | Denyerec | unless Im missing something huge |
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| 15:10.58 | azeem | Denyerec: yes |
| 15:11.00 | cisse | yep |
| 15:11.06 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: seems like the only alternative is that everybody launches straight into a higly detailed and spammy question that it's possible nobody has any familiarity with |
| 15:11.08 | tralala | Denyerec: swat being a web tool needs a web server to run |
| 15:11.12 | azeem | Denyerec: otherwise, use an editor to directly edit the configuration files |
| 15:11.15 | Denyerec | So when I complained earlier that Swat was a far more complex solution compared to Fedora's simple GUI... |
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| 15:11.20 | Denyerec | ...I was in fact correct. |
| 15:11.25 | azeem | Denyerec: sure |
| 15:11.45 | Denyerec | directly editing config files has resulted in nothing but pain for me in the past. I have no short term memory and as a result, usually destroy anything I touch with Nano. |
| 15:11.48 | Netsnipe | can someone please help me with postfix + maildir? |
| 15:11.57 | azeem | Denyerec: keep backups |
| 15:12.01 | ronin | Netsnipe: tried #postfix? |
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| 15:12.16 | Netsnipe | ronin: yes |
| 15:12.29 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: anyway I'm not so much having a go at you... I really do find it quite curious that we pick on that style of question so much. Sorry to go on :) |
| 15:12.32 | tralala | Denyerec: if Fedora does what you need the way you need it... |
| 15:12.42 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: that cuts through the BS, yes. sooner or later we'll arrive at the detailed question and it's much easier if we get that up front. |
| 15:12.53 | SerajewelKS | !bad polls |
| 15:12.53 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 15:12.56 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: ^^^ |
| 15:13.00 | Denyerec | The whole reason I'm even looking at Debian is because I tried to upgrade MySQL to V5 on Fedora and nuked the box completely. |
| 15:13.05 | xoz | Denyerec: don't tell us your brain stops learning and committing the same mistake |
| 15:13.12 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: yeah. But... I spend an awful lot of time typing in detailed stuff only to not get any answer |
| 15:13.25 | Denyerec | So someone suggested Debian, as it has "Good package management" which compared to Yum and the RPM nightmare seemed like a good thing... |
| 15:13.35 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: and I might have to type in this hugely complicated thing 6 times over 3 days before anybody familiar with my topic area is even here |
| 15:13.43 | Denyerec | My brain packed in after a 4 years electronics masters. |
| 15:13.45 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: seems wasteful in a way |
| 15:13.50 | Denyerec | It's been on strike for 18 months. |
| 15:13.59 | tralala | Dewi: at least you didn't pay for not getting an answer |
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| 15:14.21 | Dewi | tralala: paid with my time, and spamming other people by asking the same thing over and over at length |
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| 15:14.49 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: that's what the mailing list is for. like i said sooner or later you are going to ask the detailed answer, and i'd rather not answer 20 meaningless questions to find out that i really can't help when simply asking the right question lets me know up front to no invest time in this problem. |
| 15:14.52 | tralala | Dewi: then you should probably do better investments of your (and others) time |
| 15:15.28 | Dewi | tralala: what a redundant statement |
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| 15:15.38 | Dewi | tralala: of course we should, we all should. |
| 15:16.00 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: have you read the 'smart questions' page by any chance? |
| 15:16.06 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: of course I have |
| 15:16.25 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: then you should know why 'anyone use ...?' questions are frowned upon. they don't mean anything. |
| 15:16.28 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I wasn't the one asking the poll |
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| 15:16.46 | tralala | Dewi: ok, you don't seem to be getting my point, so here it is in plain: As you don't pay anyone for any answers you're not bound to get any. And if this is only a waste of time for you, stop doing it. |
| 15:16.57 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: true, but i thought you were defending them |
| 15:16.58 | Dewi | tralala: no, maybe YOU should |
| 15:17.04 | Dewi | tralala: because I was suggesting an alternative |
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| 15:17.23 | Dewi | tralala: so don't act like I'm being hopeless about this |
| 15:17.37 | Dewi | anyway... it's no big deal |
| 15:17.53 | Dewi | in fact that's 90% of my point |
| 15:18.01 | SerajewelKS | xoz: xmaxima is pretty nice. are there any frontends that do 'nice' formatting of the output? |
| 15:18.04 | Dewi | I don't see that it's nearly as big a deal as people keep making out |
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| 15:18.25 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: maybe there are! |
| 15:18.25 | Rus | how do imake this process run in the background on startup |
| 15:18.32 | tralala | people usualy don't make it a big deal - they just use !anyone use |
| 15:18.33 | Rus | PATH=$EXEC_PREFIX:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin eciadsl-start |
| 15:18.34 | xoz | if the effort of debating here was spent getting info, he could have saved lots of energy and time |
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| 15:18.42 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: you can stop trolling now |
| 15:18.49 | xoz | SerajewelKS: use texmac |
| 15:19.08 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I'm not. I'm responding to your poll. |
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| 15:19.25 | xoz | SerajewelKS: run maxima inside texmac... you'll have beautiful latex generated output |
| 15:19.43 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: no you're not. i was (a) asking one specific person, and (b) asking a specific question. |
| 15:19.58 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: i wasn't asking if anyone used maxima, i was asking if something existed to format the output nicely, |
| 15:20.23 | SerajewelKS | !find /texmac |
| 15:20.25 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: what's the difference between (wine && dcom) and (frontends && nice output) |
| 15:20.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/texmac' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/texmacs.html) in doc/tetex-doc ;; (/usr/lib/scilab/macros/texmacs/{%b_p.bin|%c_p.bin|%i_p.bin|...}) in non-free/math/scilab ;; (/usr/share/menu/texmacs-common, /usr/share/applnk/Editors/texmacs.desktop, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/texmacs-common) in editors/texmacs-common. |
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| 15:20.39 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I just can't find the line to draw, that's all |
| 15:20.46 | xoz | !info texmacs |
| 15:20.58 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: "anyone use __" is a poll, "does ___ exist" is a question |
| 15:21.01 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I mean the syntaxa you used is slightly different but to any non-pedant the meaning is the same |
| 15:21.12 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: no, it's not |
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| 15:21.33 | xoz | SerajewelKS: texmacs |
| 15:21.42 | SerajewelKS | xoz: emacs script? |
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| 15:21.56 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: okay, somehow it's different |
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| 15:22.29 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: there are other answers to my question besides 'yes' and 'no'. to a poll there are not. |
| 15:22.37 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: no, wrong |
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| 15:23.02 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: when somebody asks "anyone..." they are asking for *anyone* to *answer the question*. Only a closed-minded pedant would assume they were actually polling the population when it is clear they are not |
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| 15:24.07 | Dewi | you parse it the way you want to parse it I guess |
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| 15:24.10 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: it's a BS question to single out one person to ask a more specific question |
| 15:24.11 | xoz | SerajewelKS: nope. it is based on the idea of tex and emacs but it is way much beautiful... wysiwyg |
| 15:24.54 | piratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.23 | xoz | Dewi: what is really your question here? you just want a debate or answers to your question? |
| 15:25.25 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: most #debian discussions home in on 1 to 3 participants within the first 2 rounds of questions either way. |
| 15:25.34 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: in most cases they don't want to know if anyone uses it, they want to know how to do something with it -- so that's the question that should be asked. |
| 15:26.06 | Dewi | xoz: I just don't think people who come in here should be mocked for using a particular syntax just because there's a popular way to take the piss out of it |
| 15:26.17 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: my question was as specific as it could have been -- 'does such a thing exist' is different from 'does anyone use this, so that i can ask a more specific question later' |
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| 15:26.38 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: aah, but this is where your question was the same. You didn't ask "tell me a program that does X", you asked if one existed. |
| 15:26.40 | SimonRaven | why not just cut through the bull and just ask the question |
| 15:26.51 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I doubt a "yes" or "no" answer was what you were looking for so your question was also wrong |
| 15:27.01 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: by the same criteria you are presently using |
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| 15:27.12 | xoz | Dewi: ok. i think they got your point. now, just ask your question. there is some kind of lingo here. anyway, just focus on your objective. |
| 15:27.24 | Dewi | xoz: I don't have a question at present. |
| 15:27.30 | xoz | Dewi: heh. |
| 15:27.32 | Dewi | xoz: except about #debian policy |
| 15:27.51 | xoz | Dewi: it should be better asked in the debian-legal |
| 15:27.52 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: indeed i could have phrased it that way, but where i was going was closely tied to my question. a poll is not related to the specific question. e.g. "does such a thing exist, and if so what is it called" differs from "anyone use foobar?" then later "how can i do ___ with foobar?" |
| 15:27.55 | Denyerec | What's a GUI tool for managing basic IPTables firewalls in Gnome on Debian ? |
| 15:28.05 | abrotman | vi! |
| 15:28.08 | Denyerec | (Fedora had one by defualt...Surprise!) |
| 15:28.11 | azeem | Denyerec: I don't think a good one exists |
| 15:28.20 | azeem | Denyerec: maybe you should run Fedora then, rather |
| 15:28.26 | Denyerec | It's starting to look that way. |
| 15:28.29 | stew | Denyerec: fwbuilder |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | Denyerec: if you look in the /usr/share/doc/iptables/ .. i think one of the files lists some frontends for beginners |
| 15:28.35 | SerajewelKS | xoz: okay texmacs is running.. how would i run maxima from it? |
| 15:29.15 | xoz | SerajewelKS: look for the icon... or click the icon near the rightmost... you'll see submenus of progs like maxima or octave,etc |
| 15:29.25 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: yeah. And fair enough. People get shot down for more specific "polls" all the time, though. |
| 15:29.41 | SerajewelKS | xoz: oh, spiffy |
| 15:29.55 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I often wonder whether it's possible to ask a question *correctly* in here. I'm still crap at it after many, many years |
| 15:30.13 | Dewi | :P |
| 15:30.18 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: because often the poll is a gateway to a specific question. if the only question is if anyone uses a program, then i suppose it's valid but off-topic. |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | Dewi: that's a crappy question |
| 15:30.59 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: as long as you try to get it right there's usually not a problem, but when some random person joins and asks if anyone uses a certain program it can get annoying very quickly because the question doesn't mean anything to anyone. |
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| 15:31.20 | sanjo | How can I set the default soundcard in gnome on Sarge? |
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| 15:31.35 | SerajewelKS | xoz: damn... DAMN... i love this... |
| 15:31.39 | orjan | Dewi: I f you know enough to put a question in the right way..you probably know the anwer anyway |
| 15:31.43 | SerajewelKS | !xoz++ |
| 15:31.43 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I agree. But dcom usage with wine wasn't nearly so bad. But anyway... thanks for hammering that out with me |
| 15:31.52 | Dewi | orjan: yeah |
| 15:31.58 | Dewi | orjan: which is part of the beauty of it really |
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| 15:32.13 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: true.. anyway it wasn't my intention to argue with you, just wanted to clarify the reasoning. |
| 15:32.16 | xoz | SerajewelKS: kudus to texmacs programmers |
| 15:32.18 | Dewi | orjan: half the time I realise where the gap in my investigation was, just by trying to craft a #debian question |
| 15:32.23 | SerajewelKS | xoz: no crap |
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| 15:32.56 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: in general if you *try* to be specific, and refine your question if asked, you will have a smooth ride |
| 15:33.03 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: yeah, I'm fairly troll-like but I am genuinely curious about these things |
| 15:33.05 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:33.05 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 15:33.23 | Dewi | tarzeau: one day I'll read that without parsing it as "popcorn" |
| 15:33.30 | Dewi | tarzeau: but that day is very far off, I think |
| 15:34.03 | Netsnipe | is anyone using postfix+maildirs right now? |
| 15:34.04 | tarzeau | i've so hoped popcon might break the 10k user count soon, but it didn't happen yet |
| 15:34.09 | Denyerec | FGS. click lokkit on the apps menu : failled to start: no such file or directory |
| 15:34.09 | xoz | if you debate here on something about freedom, religion, politics, or any argumentative topics... GOOD LUCK! |
| 15:34.12 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: the 'smart questions' idea just made sense to me but i know it's difficult for some people. and yeah, i mistype popcon too. =) |
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| 15:34.18 | Amarande | Dewi: Ahh, reminds me of a girl I was into once. I simply could not type 'busy' correctly for the life of me then without typing 'busty' and having to go back and fix it. :) |
| 15:34.46 | SerajewelKS | whenever i have to type 'serve' in a document it always comes out 'server' |
| 15:34.49 | SerajewelKS | 'print' |
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| 15:34.57 | SerajewelKS | oops... 'print' with 'printf', etc |
| 15:35.17 | SerajewelKS | i know C better than i know english... and i'm a grammar nazi =) |
| 15:35.40 | sanjo | Whats a grammer nazi |
| 15:35.54 | SerajewelKS | sanjo: that's "What's a grammar nazi." =P |
| 15:35.59 | Denyerec | Ok |
| 15:36.16 | Denyerec | so I redirect the incorrect menu shortcut to /usr/sbin/gnome-lokkit |
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| 15:36.23 | Denyerec | now when I click it, it simply tells me I must be superuser. |
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| 15:36.34 | SerajewelKS | xoz: i just can't stop wowing at this combination |
| 15:36.37 | Denyerec | but I can't log in as superuser... normally these things ask you to enter your SU password. |
| 15:36.43 | Denyerec | How do I force it to do that ? |
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| 15:37.28 | maximus | what is the CLI command to see the size of a directory? |
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| 15:37.38 | maximus | ls -s does not work. |
| 15:37.39 | Dewi | maximus: du 'disk usage' |
| 15:37.43 | PsySine | du -sh |
| 15:37.43 | k4jcw | I'm trying to install a few packages on a disk that lost some inodes. For example, I'm trying to reinstall urlview with dpkg, and it keeps telling me it can't uninstall the old one (error: empty control file at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 621). OK, I don't *care*. Just install it, already. I've tried the various force options, with no luck. How can I fix/work around this? |
| 15:38.05 | PsySine | maximus: du -sh <directory> |
| 15:38.11 | Coweater | Denyerec: use gksu or gksudo |
| 15:38.11 | xoz | SerajewelKS: if you do lots of scientific computations/simulations/graphing/visualization, try r-base-*, r-cran-* |
| 15:38.13 | freezombie | gentoo r00xx |
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| 15:38.31 | Denyerec | Most installed packages "just work" and request SU authorisation automatically. |
| 15:38.35 | SerajewelKS | xoz: nah, i just need help with my calculus homework =) |
| 15:38.39 | maximus | Thanks guys always tring to learn to do things wit CLI |
| 15:38.44 | Dewi | freezombie: woo, yeah, groovy, alright, yeah! |
| 15:38.45 | SerajewelKS | xoz: i like being able to check my answers |
| 15:38.50 | Denyerec | I don't want to have to return to RPM hell but Debian is untenable to an idiot user :( |
| 15:39.05 | Dewi | Denyerec: ubuntu has got to be better than that, surely |
| 15:39.45 | Denyerec | If Debian supported the same admin tools as Fedora I don't think I'd be having problems. |
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| 15:39.55 | Denyerec | Cos as far as I can recall, the only config I had to manually edit before was apache |
| 15:40.00 | SerajewelKS | xoz: maxima is tight though.. at some point i might port it to PalmOS |
| 15:40.08 | Amarande | I wonder how long before someone creates a sudoku package and people unfamiliar with number puzzles assume it's a super user program utility :) |
| 15:40.15 | SerajewelKS | xoz: if the codebase is clean enough to be portable to Palm, that is |
| 15:40.16 | PsySine | i have a strange problem, top doesn't show the cpu usage for mysql |
| 15:40.51 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: sodoku isn't a number puzzle |
| 15:40.53 | SimonRaven | hardly a problem |
| 15:41.10 | SerajewelKS | PsySine: i guess it's not using any CPU? |
| 15:41.15 | SimonRaven | freezombie: *yawn* *zzz* |
| 15:41.29 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: isn't that the game where you have to push crates onto certain points? |
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| 15:41.54 | PsySine | SerajewelKS: i use it for amarok and when i update my db, idle drops from maybe 95% to 10-25% |
| 15:41.56 | Amarande | sera: no, that's sokoban |
| 15:42.15 | SerajewelKS | PsySine: that's amarok |
| 15:42.18 | PsySine | SerajewelKS: bot no other process uses spu |
| 15:42.21 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: oh, right |
| 15:42.26 | Amarande | sudoku is the one where you have to put the numbers in the grid |
| 15:42.29 | PsySine | SerajewelKS: amarok is on another computer |
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| 15:42.33 | Rus | how do imake this process run in the background on startup? |
| 15:42.34 | SerajewelKS | PsySine: oh... |
| 15:42.42 | Rus | PATH=$EXEC_PREFIX:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin eciadsl-start |
| 15:42.44 | Dewi | PsySine: what's the "wait"? |
| 15:42.51 | Amarande | usually it's the numbers 1-9 in every row, column, and 3x3 box (the grid is a 3x3 array of 3x3 boxes) |
| 15:42.57 | Amarande | though variant puzzles exist |
| 15:42.58 | Dewi | PsySine: mysql is likely to be I/O bound so won't necessarily be using cpu |
| 15:42.59 | PsySine | Dewi: wait? |
| 15:43.05 | xoz | SerajewelKS: i think it is possible. it uses scheme programming which is also used in gimp. |
| 15:43.08 | Rus | its in a rc startup script |
| 15:43.12 | Dewi | PsySine: "0.2% wa" |
| 15:43.12 | Amarande | I've even seen one that requires the numbers 1-81 in every row, column, and 9x9 box (with a grid of 9x9, 9x9 boxes) |
| 15:43.19 | SerajewelKS | xoz: dumb question, but how can i tell maxima to evaluate something numerically, e.g. %e^1 |
| 15:43.19 | PsySine | Dewi: but somthing uses a lot of cpu! |
| 15:43.34 | SimonRaven | Rus: command &; exec; man bash; man start-stop-daemon |
| 15:43.39 | PsySine | Dewi: second |
| 15:43.39 | Eulex | Denyerec, use sudo or gksudo -S. btw, consider filing a bug against the package, as the menu entry should fire up a command with gksudo -S if needed. |
| 15:43.47 | SerajewelKS | PsySine: the "CPU" usage might be syscalls waiting on disk i/o |
| 15:43.59 | PsySine | Dewi: 0.3 |
| 15:44.16 | Denyerec | If I can't even install a gui, filling a bug report is a bit rich. |
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| 15:44.24 | PsySine | SerajewelKS: but mysql should use at least a percent cpu... |
| 15:44.29 | Dewi | PsySine: linux doesn't show your machine as "idle" when it is waiting for disk I/O, but no process is actually doing any thinking, so it puts % into the "wa" total |
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| 15:44.47 | xoz | SerajewelKS: if you read the tutorial in xmaxima, it gives you a brief example of most things you need to know :). honestly, i forgot because i use R most of the time. |
| 15:44.50 | roby | Anything out there that can take a web page and write it as a pdf? I would like it to be scriptable to do this for multiple pages |
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| 15:45.14 | rohan | what man pager does debian sue ? |
| 15:45.15 | PsySine | Dewi: ok... |
| 15:45.16 | rohan | *use |
| 15:45.18 | gozz | every time i reboot for some reason a folder named Desktop1 gets created in my home dir i can delete it but after reboot it comes back could somone tell me whats going on or point me to a place to find out what is creating this folder? |
| 15:45.24 | rohan | not this one http://primates.ximian.com/~flucifredi/man/ ? |
| 15:45.24 | xoz | SerajewelKS: i think you need to use N() or n() function. not sure |
| 15:45.26 | Dewi | rohan: less, probably |
| 15:45.26 | PsySine | Dewi: SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 15:45.35 | rohan | Dewi: not http://primates.ximian.com/~flucifredi/man/ ? |
| 15:46.12 | Dewi | PsySine: to be honest I'm not sure if it adds to the process' individual CPU usage as well... |
| 15:46.30 | Eulex | rohan, no, less, if it is instaleld. |
| 15:46.43 | rohan | Eulex: ok. how do i install that particular pager ? |
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| 15:46.57 | gamblastic | hey |
| 15:46.59 | SerajewelKS | xoz: hmm the primer doesn't have any info on that, guess i'll google or experiment |
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| 15:48.08 | Eulex | rohan, you'd have to compile it as it seems like it's not in debian. |
| 15:48.15 | rohan | Eulex: ah, ok. |
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| 15:49.14 | Eulex | rohan, less will do most things you'd want to do anyway. |
| 15:49.29 | rohan | Eulex: ah, ok.. |
| 15:49.31 | heatxsink | I get this error when I apt-get update http://pastebin.com/530459 |
| 15:49.33 | heatxsink | HELP! |
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| 15:49.46 | drac | heatxsink: My ears.. don't scream |
| 15:49.49 | heatxsink | hahaa |
| 15:49.50 | heatxsink | sorry |
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| 15:50.15 | Eulex | !apt secure |
| 15:50.15 | dpkg | hmm... apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 15:50.21 | drac | heatxsink: It's in /topic |
| 15:50.24 | Eulex | !2006 key |
| 15:50.24 | dpkg | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 15:50.29 | Eulex | heatxsink, ^^ |
| 15:50.32 | drac | heatxsink: Actually, first thing in topic :> |
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| 15:50.49 | gamblastic | KDE 3.3 is the latest stable release? |
| 15:51.03 | heatxsink | thanks |
| 15:51.15 | drac | gamblastic: Latest version in Stable, yeah.. |
| 15:51.23 | gamblastic | ok |
| 15:51.32 | heatxsink | sweet thanks |
| 15:52.42 | gamblastic | coo tnx |
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| 15:53.00 | foo | proftpd is throwing these errors in the log ... fJan 30 07:55:21 localhost *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0812d958 *** ... any ideas? |
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| 15:53.22 | SimonRaven | bug. see the BTS |
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| 15:56.56 | Daveman | Hi PeterS |
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| 16:05.36 | sorush20 | guys how do I load a module |
| 16:05.40 | allgo | are there success stories of debian on a macbook intel? |
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| 16:06.13 | bizkit | tuxmobile.org? |
| 16:06.25 | bibe | sorush20 : modprobe <module_name> |
| 16:06.26 | bbrazil | sorush20: modprobe, see also /etc/modules |
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| 16:07.14 | xored | hello guys, i want to optimze my debain linux box a bit. what i the kjournal prozess and what is it for ? |
| 16:07.58 | allgo | bizkit, no reports there |
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| 16:08.12 | cisse | xored: does journaling for your ext3 i beleive |
| 16:08.59 | d4d0|work | is there a debian kernel image with 64GB RAM support (himem) ? |
| 16:09.13 | xored | ah ok cindy |
| 16:09.15 | xored | cisse: |
| 16:09.32 | cisse | d4d0|work: run amd64 |
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| 16:09.41 | d4d0|work | cisse: amd64 what? |
| 16:09.42 | mad_bull | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.48 | cisse | d4d0|work: debian of course |
| 16:10.06 | d4d0|work | cisse: what does the cpu arch to do with himem support? |
| 16:10.07 | cisse | mad_bull: wouldn't vlans be setup on your switch ? |
| 16:10.12 | _robewald | hi, how can i find out which process depends on which kernel module? |
| 16:10.15 | SimonRaven | xored: kernel thread; takes care of the journal syncing to disk IIRC |
| 16:10.21 | mad_bull | cisee, yes and my NIC |
| 16:10.32 | d4d0|work | Rockj: ive seen them with 32 |
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| 16:10.58 | d4d0|work | ronin: last msg was meant for you :) |
| 16:11.05 | xored | SimonRaven: thank you. lpd is for the printer, isnt it ? |
| 16:11.09 | ronin | d4d0|work: figured as much :) |
| 16:11.33 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 16:11.46 | ralfWORK_ | stupid question, but it appears that pinning only works on packages of the same name |
| 16:11.49 | ralfWORK_ | is this correct? |
| 16:11.59 | fanfoua | what is the difference between debian and freebsd ? |
| 16:12.02 | cisse | you can pin packages by name sure |
| 16:12.14 | SimonRaven | ralfWORK_: depends on how you set it up |
| 16:12.14 | cisse | fanfoua: debian is linux freebsd is freebsd |
| 16:12.18 | d4d0|work | what a retarted question |
| 16:12.19 | d4d0|work | omg |
| 16:12.27 | xored | SimonRaven: do i need klog ? i mean syslog is running, and that one sounds a bit like loging for KDE, but on this lunix-box is no kde running |
| 16:12.31 | cisse | fanfoua: goto en.wikipedia.org and look up each |
| 16:12.36 | SimonRaven | debian isn't just linux |
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| 16:13.27 | ralfWORK_ | i.e. if I have a "php4" package and a "php5" package, apt would obviously see them as 2 unrelated items, correct? |
| 16:13.27 | d4d0|work | xored: klog is kernel-log and does nOT have to do with KDE |
| 16:13.27 | cisse | ralfWORK_: yes |
| 16:13.27 | thingfish | It's also retarded to misspell 'retarded'. |
| 16:13.27 | SimonRaven | xored: yes you do |
| 16:13.27 | ralfWORK_ | cool |
| 16:13.43 | SimonRaven | xored: kinit has nothing to do with kde, either |
| 16:14.02 | SimonRaven | @lart kde for making people think binaries that start with 'k' have to do with them |
| 16:14.07 | SimonRaven | !lart kde for making people think binaries that start with 'k' have to do with them |
| 16:14.19 | xored | SimonRaven: , d4d0|work ok, thank you. but i can disable lpd, during iam not using a printer system ? |
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| 16:14.34 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 16:14.47 | xored | SimonRaven: lpd is the printer service, isnt it ? |
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| 16:14.52 | stew | ralfWORK_: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:15.07 | SimonRaven | yes, i answered that already |
| 16:15.40 | ralfWORK_ | stew: I'm working with backports.org |
| 16:15.43 | ralfWORK_ | installing php5 |
| 16:15.47 | xored | SimonRaven: thank you a lot. |
| 16:15.56 | ralfWORK_ | and it didn't bitch about dependencies, so I'm trying to understand why |
| 16:16.01 | stew | ralfWORK_: ok, you just can't use both php4 and php5 with apache |
| 16:16.11 | ralfWORK_ | stew: that's fine, I don't need them both |
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| 16:16.28 | xored | is there a way in aptitude to search onliny in the installled packages ? |
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| 16:16.46 | bbrazil | xored: L ~i maybe |
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| 16:17.49 | hume | i get error msg when installing packages, "perl: warning: Setting locale failed" - what do I need to do to correct it? |
| 16:18.25 | cisse | xored: apt-show-versions is what you want to use |
| 16:18.33 | SimonRaven | hume: apt-get install locales; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:18.39 | rares000 | the -f flag for ln (as in ln -sf somefin linktosomefin) doesn't work it doesn't overwrite the old links |
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| 16:19.19 | rares000 | also x 6.9.0 packages are clobbering links |
| 16:19.52 | xored | bbrazil: thank you a lot, it worked |
| 16:20.00 | xored | cisse: no, not really, thank you |
| 16:20.20 | d4d0|work | so in fact there is no kernel-image with himem support? |
| 16:20.37 | SimonRaven | not 64 gb; gotta build it yourself |
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| 16:20.54 | cisse | d4d0|work: i'm pretty sure 2.6.12+ has highmem support |
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| 16:21.17 | stew | 2.6.8-2 does for everything but -386 |
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| 16:21.22 | hume | running dpkg-reconfigure locales does not solve it, on running it I get error msg, among them "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" |
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| 16:21.38 | Thanatermesis | any person knows a message on the but saying "failed to mount /selinux/" ? |
| 16:21.55 | rares000 | means nothing |
| 16:21.57 | zinx | Thanatermesis: ignore it. |
| 16:22.11 | d4d0|work | cisse: so i would need to install testing/unstable for that? |
| 16:22.18 | vin` | what controls mailing cron.daily logs? |
| 16:22.29 | aimtrainer | Help me please: I had to update / delete / install a lot of packages via synaptic because of conflicts and stuff with a new package I wanted to install. Now the first thing I notice tht does not work anymore is my konquoror: When I type file:/home it says Error protocol not supported: file |
| 16:22.29 | zinx | vin`: cron |
| 16:22.39 | zinx | vin`: you shouldn't be getting logs |
| 16:22.40 | Thanatermesis | zinx ok :) |
| 16:22.44 | cisse | d4d0|work: you would just have to add testing/unstable to your sources.list, don't have to dist-upgrade |
| 16:22.46 | Thanatermesis | just for know if is bad ;) |
| 16:23.12 | vin` | zinx: hmm but I am, trying to disable it. |
| 16:23.21 | zinx | Thanatermesis: it's bad if you expected to be running selinux, but chances are you didn't :) |
| 16:23.24 | hume | SimonRaven, what to do if that didn't help? |
| 16:23.27 | d4d0|work | SimonRaven: im talking in my case about 6 gigs. but the kernels options are only whether 4 gigs or 64 ;) |
| 16:23.43 | d4d0|work | cisse: would that make problem at the next dist-upgrade? |
| 16:23.43 | zinx | vin`: fix the cause of the logs |
| 16:23.57 | SimonRaven | d4d0|work: yes, so? |
| 16:23.57 | FliesLikeABrick | i upgraded some packages to debian-testing, one of them being the openssh server... now i can't login via ssh. how can i fix this? |
| 16:24.04 | Thanatermesis | i don't think to any of the users to use this "boot" use selinux.. :) |
| 16:24.08 | SimonRaven | read the fricking <HELP> |
| 16:24.13 | cisse | d4d0|work: uh hrm, you might have to adjust /boot/grub.conf for the right kernel, or just reinstall your higher level one |
| 16:24.24 | d4d0|work | SimonRaven: thats a production server. the owner needs to upgrade ofcourse |
| 16:24.25 | zinx | vin`: which is not cron, but the fact that something being run by cron had some error output that you need to look at |
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| 16:24.44 | SimonRaven | hume: you probably need to log out, log in |
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| 16:24.52 | hume | ok |
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| 16:25.31 | xored | SimonRaven: can i just uninstall X11 during iam not using an GUIs on the box ? as i just tried it, i recognised man libs are depending on it |
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| 16:25.56 | azeem | xored: X11 libs might be used for some stuff |
| 16:26.04 | azeem | xored: you don't need the server, though |
| 16:26.09 | SimonRaven | xored: 'during iam' means what exactly? |
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| 16:26.20 | Peterken | Hello all, i have a question, i have Debian installed for a time now, if i play sound, no other sound application can play sound, is that normal? Also when 'Korn' gives me a sound notification, he only gives this after I shut down XMMS or other sound application. Is that normal ? |
| 16:26.25 | SimonRaven | xored: the server can go like azeem said |
| 16:26.34 | jjazz | vin`: I think what you're looking for is the MAILTO:"" line at the start of the crontab. But zinx is right that you're better off figuring out why your cronjobs are throwing errors and fixing those problems. |
| 16:26.50 | bibe | Peterken : are you using kde? |
| 16:26.59 | Peterken | yes bibe |
| 16:27.02 | xored | SimonRaven: azeem : ok , fine |
| 16:27.04 | FliesLikeABrick | i upgraded some packages to debian-testing, one of them being the openssh server... now i can't login via ssh. how can i fix this? when i try to login i get Permission denied (publickey). |
| 16:27.10 | rares000 | selinux probably has more holes from NSA than a redhat machine out of the box |
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| 16:27.47 | bibe | Peterken : you have to instruct each program to use the arts daemon |
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| 16:28.41 | Peterken | ic bibe, and that is possible for each program? of does the program has to support that? |
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| 16:29.13 | xored | SimonRaven: would you advice me to use ipcop as an "virtual" machine for using it as "router" |
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| 16:30.24 | SimonRaven | i won't advise you anything. do the research |
| 16:30.30 | noid | how plausible would it be for both alts, ctrls and shifts to stop working... any know bug about this |
| 16:31.06 | cisse | vmware will do that to me once and a while |
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| 16:31.38 | noid | cisse: i have no vmware |
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| 16:31.52 | noid | it happens even in console |
| 16:32.09 | pipeline | rares000: I doubt that very strongly. |
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| 16:32.20 | Babbelaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.25 | pipeline | rares000: The NSA doesn't talk very much, but they're generally /more/ trustworthy than their word. |
| 16:32.30 | knoxy | what command line for aptitude to remove totally graphic interface (all X)? |
| 16:32.31 | pipeline | rares000: e.g. the DES debacle. |
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| 16:32.44 | pipeline | knoxy: dpkg --purge xserver-common |
| 16:32.49 | bibe | Peterken : I use juk, amarok, mplayer, vlc and psi, and each plays sounds without problems. I think most of the other programs should support artsd either out-of-the-box or with little tweaks |
| 16:32.58 | knoxy | pipeline thanks |
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| 16:33.22 | pipeline | rares000: A few years ago, it came out that DES wasn't vulnerable to an entirely new type of cryptographic attack. |
| 16:33.37 | cisse | pipeline: differential analysis right ? |
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| 16:33.47 | pipeline | rares000: It seems that the NSA was aware of this particular attack type a decade before the rest of the world. And they actively worked to make sure that DES wasn't vulnerable. |
| 16:33.47 | Peterken | ic, tnx bibe for your information, it gives me a push into the good direction, going to search for more information on google |
| 16:33.52 | pipeline | cisse: Sounds right to me :P |
| 16:33.59 | cisse | pipeline: read about that in applied cryptography |
| 16:34.07 | rares000 | NSAKEY |
| 16:34.14 | pipeline | rares000: Now, mind you, DES wasn't something for NSA's internal use. It was something for civilian use. |
| 16:34.27 | nixie | bah. i hate spam. spam is depressing. |
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| 16:34.33 | cisse | it was more than a decade as i recall, NSA modified the number of DES rounds to 32 back in 76' and the israeli crypographers didn't discover that attack until the mid 90's |
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| 16:34.49 | cisse | pipeline: nsa origonally spec'd it for public use |
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| 16:35.16 | rares000 | nobody remembers NSAKEY? |
| 16:35.16 | mattbaron | where is the mysql connections socket located on debian? |
| 16:35.17 | tziku` | can somebody help me to install php ? i try with apt-get install php4 and all files with: php4-* . And when i'm trying to acces my website is giving me a file to download. |
| 16:35.18 | pipeline | rares000: NSAKEY was a joke. Read up on it. |
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| 16:35.24 | pipeline | rares000: It had nothing to do with any kind of backdoor. |
| 16:35.35 | bibe | tziku` : apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 16:36.14 | tziku` | bibe is installed...and same |
| 16:36.17 | rares000 | well I've also read about snoopgate and guess who's busy with that |
| 16:36.23 | bibe | tziku` : php4* are packages for php4 CLI (command line interface). the mod-php4 is the module that links apache to php4 |
| 16:36.29 | cisse | tziku`: restart apache, clear your browser cache and try again |
| 16:37.05 | bibe | tziku` : do you mean apache or apache2? |
| 16:37.09 | tziku` | apache |
| 16:37.16 | dusty- | Hey guys.. I was wondering if someone could tell me how much a FULL debian install would take up and how I can automatically install everyhting on a base install of sid. ? |
| 16:37.35 | stew | dusty-: what does "full" mean? |
| 16:37.39 | bibe | tziku` : so, it's libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:37.56 | tziku` | libapache2-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 16:37.56 | tziku` | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 87 not upgraded. |
| 16:38.04 | dusty- | stew, ALL packages. I want to perform a security audit. |
| 16:38.18 | dusty- | so apt-get install * kinda thing. |
| 16:38.23 | stew | dusty-: its not possible to install all pacakges, many conflict with eachother |
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| 16:38.25 | fireba11 | dusty-: are you nuts ? |
| 16:38.25 | bibe | tziku` : forget the 2, use libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 16:38.43 | SimonRaven | dusty-: uh, no |
| 16:38.47 | fireba11 | dusty-: what you want to audit on ? |
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| 16:38.55 | tziku` | oh :) ok |
| 16:39.01 | cisse | dusty-: what sort of security audit requires installing all packages ? |
| 16:39.01 | fireba11 | dusty-: surely not all 7k+ packages |
| 16:39.20 | alban23 | hi |
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| 16:39.32 | kfo_ | I know this is not the place to ask such a question. But I'm thinking of using linux as my movie editingsystem. But what program should I use? I have tried cinerella and kino. Is there any more? |
| 16:39.41 | chealer | Peterken: you don't have to make all your applications use arts, you just have to understand the limitations when you use both programs that don't use arts and some that do |
| 16:39.42 | dusty- | When you install debian you can choose a full install.. i want that. |
| 16:39.47 | dusty- | I want to audit packages. |
| 16:39.50 | tziku` | bibe same thing...is giving me a file to download |
| 16:39.52 | cisse | kfo_: there is a knoppix based video editing distro i've read about, i would look into what it uses |
| 16:39.52 | dusty- | look for bugs, etc. |
| 16:40.07 | cisse | dusty-: install the packages you want to look for bugs in then |
| 16:40.24 | stew | !dstats |
| 16:40.26 | dusty- | no no no |
| 16:40.32 | alban23 | Can somebody help me? I can't find the kernel directory. |
| 16:40.34 | dusty- | I want to do a full install of debian, how? |
| 16:40.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17545 packages, 1637 maintainers, 35332 MB installed size, 11534 MB compressed size. |
| 16:40.55 | SimonRaven | fireba11: 15+ K in testing and unstable =) |
| 16:41.04 | stew | dusty-: you need to define what "full" means, before you said "install all packages" but that is not possible |
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| 16:41.13 | cisse | dusty-: think outside the box |
| 16:41.22 | SimonRaven | dusty-: you can't do that |
| 16:41.29 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:41.34 | SimonRaven | you don't *want* to do that |
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| 16:41.51 | alban23 | Can somebody help me? I can't find the kernel directory. |
| 16:41.54 | cisse | there is no way you can audit all the debian packages anyways, just install the ones you want to |
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| 16:42.05 | cisse | albana: kernel source or where the kernel is ? |
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| 16:42.36 | cmdKeen | where in /dev can be SATA disks found ? |
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| 16:42.43 | alban23 | KERNELPATH |
| 16:42.58 | stew | alban23: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:43.01 | alban23 | i want to install paragon ntfs for linux |
| 16:43.05 | cisse | cmdKeen: if you're using 2.4 they appear as hd[a-z] if 2.6 sd[a-z] |
| 16:43.30 | tziku` | bibe please help me i'm tryingo to user phpbb2(webforum) ... and wgen i'm tryingo to user http://localhost/forum is giving me a file to download |
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| 16:43.58 | alban23 | but i get an error message when ir run sh install.sh |
| 16:44.10 | cisse | tziku`: make a page test.php with <? phpinfo() ?> and goto it to see if you've configured php properly, if so your browser is caching something and you need to clear the cache |
| 16:44.18 | cisse | phpinfo(); rather |
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| 16:44.41 | Haukkari | Hey everybody. I get errors from apt when trying to install the udev in unstable. It's been like this for a month or so now. "Cannot start udevd. (rc=3)" and then apt goes kaboom. Anyone know anything about this? |
| 16:44.47 | stew | alban23: http://www.paragon.ag/support |
| 16:44.54 | tziku` | cisee: <? phpinfo() rather ?> |
| 16:44.56 | tziku` | ? |
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| 16:45.03 | Rudirogdt | hi all |
| 16:45.07 | cisse | tziku`: <? phpinfo(); ?> |
| 16:45.10 | SimonRaven | Haukkari: have you updated in the last few months? |
| 16:45.10 | tziku` | ok |
| 16:45.22 | Haukkari | SimonRaven: well, we installed it like a month ago. |
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| 16:45.31 | stew | Haukkari: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:45.31 | Haukkari | SimonRaven: and then dist-upgraded to unstable |
| 16:45.38 | Haukkari | stew: 2.6.14.3 |
| 16:45.48 | Haukkari | you think it might be in the kernel? |
| 16:45.51 | stew | Haukkari: checked the bts? |
| 16:45.53 | Haukkari | stable's udev seems to work. |
| 16:45.56 | Haukkari | stew: bts? |
| 16:46.05 | stew | Haukkari: if you were on < 2.6.12 it would be the kernel |
| 16:46.11 | stew | Haukkari: /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 16:46.13 | tziku` | cisee dosn't work :( |
| 16:46.15 | SimonRaven | !bts |
| 16:46.15 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 16:46.22 | SimonRaven | !btssmite Haukkari |
| 16:46.35 | tziku` | cisee: same, is giving me to download the pake in unknown format |
| 16:46.37 | Rudirogdt | is it possible to force cryptsetup working with a tape/streamer ? it says block device needed when I use cryptsetup -c aes -s 256 create streamer /dev/st0 |
| 16:46.49 | Haukkari | stew: right, thanks |
| 16:47.00 | alban23 | im gonna take a look, thx |
| 16:47.06 | Haukkari | stew: maybe it's the kernel after all... I'll try upgrading to 2.6.15 |
| 16:47.31 | mejo | how can i substitute /usr/bin/expr with something available early at boot time. |
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| 16:47.38 | stew | Haukkari: you should try a debian kernel to eliminate the possibility that you omitted a needed config option |
| 16:47.45 | Haukkari | stew: hmm, true |
| 16:47.45 | xored_ | how to get the kernel header of my current kernel to recompile it ? |
| 16:47.59 | xored_ | i got debian sarge stable |
| 16:48.06 | cisse | what does uname -r tell you ? |
| 16:48.12 | Haukkari | stew: but the IBM hardware we're running on is buggy as hell and it went absolutely crazy on some earlier kernel... Realtime clock or something like that. |
| 16:48.29 | cisse | Haukkari: what ibm hw ? |
| 16:48.55 | Haukkari | cisse: some crappy 2.4GHz Pentium 4 desktops our school has |
| 16:49.00 | mejo | RETRY=`expr $RETRY - 1` should be the same as RETRY=$((RETRY-1)), shouldn't it? |
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| 16:49.04 | SimonRaven | i bet you enabled RTC_X or whatever; ppcs don't like that _X |
| 16:49.14 | stew | mejo: yes |
| 16:49.19 | Haukkari | cisse: those are running Gentoo after the last admins but we're trying to get rid of that crap. =) |
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| 16:49.34 | cisse | lol |
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| 16:49.45 | mejo | stew: but RETRY=$((RETRY-1)) is not POSIX shell code. do you know how to realize that in POSIX shell code? |
| 16:49.54 | SimonRaven | gentoo admin is an oxymoron |
| 16:50.01 | mluggy | hi guys, newbie question here - is Debian the best choice for apache/mysql web machine? |
| 16:50.24 | stew | mejo: are you sure? it works in posh |
| 16:50.37 | kspath | mluggy: Do you like Debian? |
| 16:50.42 | mejo | stew: but not in dash. |
| 16:50.48 | d4d0|work | i hate it by now |
| 16:50.53 | xored_ | how to get the kernel header of my current kernel to recompile it ? it was something like : apt-get install linux-header |
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| 16:51.03 | mluggy | kspath: never used it. I'm completly new in linux |
| 16:51.16 | stew | mejo: works in dash for me |
| 16:51.20 | cisse | xored_: use uname -r to find your kernel version and then install linux-header-kernel-version-here |
| 16:51.28 | kspath | mluggy: Debian Apache PostgreSQL Perl/P |
| 16:51.33 | xored_ | cisse: thank you |
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| 16:51.40 | cisse | xored_: or just apt-cache search `uname -r` |
| 16:51.47 | kspath | mluggy: Debian Apache PostgreSQL Perl/PHP/Python is a way to go. DAPP >> LAMP |
| 16:51.48 | pm_ | how can i know if my firewall is blocking the traffic in the port 465(smtps) and 995 (pop3s)? or how can i make iptable dont block them? |
| 16:51.54 | stew | mejo: well "echo $(($RETRY+1))" works |
| 16:52.02 | mejo | stew: yes, you're correct. thanks |
| 16:52.05 | stew | mejo: but not echo $((RETRY+1)) |
| 16:52.19 | SimonRaven | linux-kernel-headers has nothing to do with the running kernel |
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| 16:52.28 | cisse | pm_: try to telnet to those ports from an internal machine to see if the fw is blocking them, iptables -L shows you rules |
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| 16:52.36 | SimonRaven | it's a part of glibc |
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| 16:53.42 | SimonRaven | !tell lgn21st -about root |
| 16:54.02 | Eno_ | For some reason when I'm booting and I don't have internet access, my MTA takes forever to start. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 16:54.11 | cisse | eno: turn it off |
| 16:54.15 | Eno_ | Heh okay.. |
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| 16:54.21 | SimonRaven | fix your networking? |
| 16:54.21 | Eno_ | But don't I need it for stuff? |
| 16:54.22 | petemc | Eno_: installing ifplugd can fix that |
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| 16:54.39 | Eno_ | Hmm |
| 16:54.45 | biblio | ola |
| 16:54.48 | gloob | Eno_: postfix should know what ip and domain is playing |
| 16:54.59 | petemc | who says its postfix.. |
| 16:54.59 | gloob | Eno_: maybe exists a timeout option |
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| 16:55.09 | gloob | oh, ok, MTA |
| 16:55.10 | Eno_ | exim |
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| 16:55.15 | biblio | alguien de españa |
| 16:55.18 | cisse | if it's not postfix they should switch to postfix =D |
| 16:55.18 | ronin | !es |
| 16:55.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:55.27 | Eno_ | I don't even use MTA for anything. |
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| 16:55.32 | Eno_ | But I think debian does? |
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| 16:55.47 | valdyn | Eno_: its trying to lookup names on a non-reachable dns server. You could disable those lookups |
| 16:55.56 | SimonRaven | the system does, yes, like cron |
| 16:55.59 | petemc | Eno_: you can stop the service frm starting at boot without too many ill effects |
| 16:56.00 | ronin | Eno_: you can remove it but youll be missing out on messages from the system |
| 16:56.25 | SerajewelKS | ronin: you can't remove it unless you install another MTA |
| 16:56.28 | mluggy | how is Debian compare to centOS, is there any real difference on server installations? |
| 16:56.43 | SimonRaven | debian > * |
| 16:56.47 | ronin | SerajewelKS: not true unless i pulled off the impossible on my desktop |
| 16:56.58 | cisse | mluggy: centos will make your life hell |
| 16:57.04 | Eno_ | With ifplugd, can I tell it to: if no cable, then bring up wlan0. if cable plugged in, bring up eth0 |
| 16:57.05 | Eno_ | ? |
| 16:57.11 | Eno_ | That would solve my problem I think. |
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| 16:57.48 | chealer | mluggy: CentOS? how would we know about that? |
| 16:57.59 | valdyn | Eno_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and disable name lookups and see if that problem persists |
| 16:58.09 | Eno_ | Okay. |
| 16:58.20 | Snadder | hi.. anyone know how to get .aspx .net working with apache? |
| 16:58.44 | mluggy | chealer: would Debian allow me graphical interface? |
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| 16:59.03 | valdyn | !centos |
| 16:59.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos |
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| 16:59.59 | mluggy | i'm actually looking for the most stable distribution for webserver/database enviourment. can I be wrong with Debian? |
| 17:00.15 | cisse | most stable is a vague term |
| 17:00.37 | cisse | if you mean commercial support, i would say don't go with debian (progeny perhaps) |
| 17:00.46 | mluggy | stable means for me - easy update, without physical need to go to the server |
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| 17:00.57 | seeker77 | hi all... trying to get wpa-psk running on debian with ipw2200. i've configured wpa_supplicant.conf and it looks like it would bring up the interface but nevertheless fails to associate.. can someone help me? |
| 17:00.59 | cisse | i would say debian fits the requirement then |
| 17:01.46 | beleys | Poy |
| 17:01.56 | mluggy | does it have a "yum" like method for updating? |
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| 17:02.11 | SimonRaven | yum is crap |
| 17:02.13 | Eno_ | It uses apt |
| 17:02.22 | cisse | mluggy: it has apt which is superior in every way imho |
| 17:02.48 | mluggy | cool. can I install a graphical interface for it OR - what's the best method to manage it easily? (for non-linux persons) |
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| 17:03.04 | pipeline | mluggy: synaptic |
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| 17:03.15 | Eno_ | Or aptitude for no X |
| 17:03.16 | ronin | mluggy: a server you say? no need for x |
| 17:03.25 | Eno_ | aptitude is very friendly. |
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| 17:03.39 | mluggy | is aptitude like a cpanel where I can manage most stuff centracily? |
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| 17:03.47 | SimonRaven | no |
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| 17:04.08 | adii | does anyone know a card working in monitor mode under debian? |
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| 17:04.15 | adii | wifi card i mean |
| 17:04.40 | chealer | mluggy: what do you think? please try Debian if you don't want to read anything about it before asking obvious questions. you obviously can't be wrong with Debian for a server. |
| 17:05.19 | valdyn | 'i want to do what i cant do without understanding what i do' |
| 17:05.35 | mluggy | chealer: thanks. I just wanted to be reassured before I drop all other alternatives (FC/Centos/SUSE..) |
| 17:05.58 | azeem | mluggy: Debian does not have a default central adminstration panel |
| 17:05.59 | chealer | mluggy: and shouldn'T have to drop them for trying Debian |
| 17:06.05 | Haukkari | how do I "mask" some version of a package? |
| 17:06.09 | Haukkari | So that it doesn't get upgraded? |
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| 17:06.11 | azeem | mluggy: aptitude is only used to manage the installed packages |
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| 17:06.18 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:06.19 | stew | Haukkari: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:06.19 | azeem | Haukkari: set it on hold |
| 17:06.26 | Haukkari | stew, azeem: thanks |
| 17:06.40 | SimonRaven | mluggy: contrary to what you might think, we're not a) paid to do this b) have all day to answer questions. if you want to install debian, go for it. otherwise, there are plenty of sites that have articles on comparisions between distros |
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| 17:07.22 | azeem | mluggy: before you install Debian on a public server, it might be best to try it out on a private machine |
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| 17:07.45 | mluggy | azeem - obviouslly. i'll do just that. |
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| 17:08.22 | DexterF | soemone familiar with UDF? got a dvd+rw here, rw as root works fine, but no go as user. mount point and device permissions are ok (proper group and g+rwx), but as soon as I mount it as a user (uid=0 and gid=<thatgroupImade>) the mount point has perm 750 and belongs to root:root again |
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| 17:09.25 | DexterF | mount options are noauto,rw,users,noatime,iocharset=iso8859-1,uid=0,gid=xcdwrite,umask=0007 |
| 17:09.30 | ronove | I'm trying yo get my soundcard (Intel high defenition audio) working, but when I compiled & installed alsa, running "alsamixer" gives me error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device". what to do? |
| 17:09.37 | seeker77 | are there any kernel modules i have to load manually? |
| 17:09.57 | alex_joni | I'm trying to build a debian package, but the Depends: rule doesn't get copied to the .deb |
| 17:09.58 | pipeline | seeker77: You didn't ask a question, so no, nobody can help you. |
| 17:10.00 | Eno_ | Run alsaconf ronin |
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| 17:10.04 | Eno_ | Run alsaconf ronove |
| 17:10.10 | roby | I've noticed that PEAR exists for php4, but not for php5? |
| 17:10.58 | adii | does anyone know a wifi (pci or pcmcia) card working in monitor mode under debian? |
| 17:11.01 | seeker77 | pipeline: sure i did, but i'm happy to post it again: hi all... trying to get wpa-psk running on debian with ipw2200. i've configured wpa_supplicant.conf and it looks like it would bring up the interface but nevertheless fails to associate.. can someone help me? |
| 17:11.07 | mluggy | thank you all!! i'll install Debian and see how it goes. |
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| 17:11.19 | adii | he won't be confident too long :p |
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| 17:11.24 | aethera | hi all |
| 17:11.33 | kspath | mluggy: Are you setting up some token linux boxes to be administrated by the ignorant masses? PLEASE make sure someone that has a clue administrates your linux servers. The last thing everyone needs in this world is yet another wannabee linux/unix admin with compromised machines and would never even know unless some outside group/org told them. |
| 17:11.36 | aethera | whats the easiest way to install the latest kernel? |
| 17:11.56 | ronove | alsaconf gave me http://pastebin.com/530583 |
| 17:12.00 | valdyn | !easiest |
| 17:12.06 | chealer | roby: how come? |
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| 17:12.28 | valdyn | ronove: just installing alsa drivers is not enough, what else did you install, which debian release are you running? |
| 17:12.32 | Haukkari | stew, azeem: I've got a problem... even though I held udev, the new kernel (2.6.15) really wants to upgrade it, and then udev won't install and then initramfs-tools won't install and then the kernel won't install... |
| 17:12.44 | aethera | valdyn: ? |
| 17:13.03 | azeem | Haukkari: I don't know about those funky unstable kernels, sorry |
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| 17:13.27 | ronove | valdyn: debian unstable, don't really know what else I've installed.. kde 3.5 (using some testing packages) |
| 17:13.30 | stew | Haukkari: you can use yaird instead of initramfs-tools |
| 17:13.46 | Haukkari | stew: oh, thanks |
| 17:14.08 | valdyn | ronove: why aren't you using the alsa modules that came with your kernel? |
| 17:14.26 | roby | chealer: can't find php5-pear but i can find php4-pear |
| 17:14.30 | stew | btw, something interesting to note, it seems that d-i will start using initramfs-tools to build the initrd, which might mean that udev will be installed by default on etch |
| 17:14.37 | aethera | valdyn: do I just grab the source and do a manual compile? |
| 17:14.42 | aethera | or should I move to sid ? |
| 17:14.49 | ronove | valdyn: cause my sound didn't work.. I figured it maybe could've helped to do it manually |
| 17:15.04 | valdyn | ronove: now you have modules that dont fit to your kernel |
| 17:15.13 | Haukkari | stew: that worked! Thank you! |
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| 17:15.32 | chealer | roby: did you check that the package wouldn't have another name? |
| 17:15.39 | ronove | ronove: I'm using the 2.6.15-1 kernel.. |
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| 17:15.46 | valdyn | aethera: yea 'just' |
| 17:16.03 | valdyn | ronove: that's obvious from your error message |
| 17:16.04 | aethera | valdyn: and moving from sarge to sid? |
| 17:16.06 | aethera | !sid |
| 17:16.06 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:16.11 | valdyn | !sarge->sid |
| 17:16.20 | stew | aethera: definately don't move to sid just to get a new kernel |
| 17:16.26 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 17:16.26 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 17:16.34 | aethera | stew: but I need to get my tv card working |
| 17:16.35 | aethera | :( |
| 17:16.43 | ronove | valdyn: ok.. what do I have to do now? =/ |
| 17:16.53 | stew | aethera: you can compile a newer kernel on sarge |
| 17:17.03 | valdyn | ronove: what DID you do to mess up you alsa drivers/modules? |
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| 17:17.12 | phycho | ~stable |
| 17:17.14 | apt | stable is probably the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days, or where the horses live The current stable version of Debian is sarge (3.1). |
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| 17:17.44 | ronove | valdyn: I compiled them manually? |
| 17:18.14 | valdyn | ronove: after getting them from alsa-project.org? or how? |
| 17:18.29 | ronove | valdyn: yeps |
| 17:18.30 | alex_joni | does anyone know something about building debs? |
| 17:18.55 | Haukkari | stew: 2.6.15... su - = fatal, no entropy module detected. =) |
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| 17:19.39 | valdyn | ronove: ok, rm -r /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686-smp/kernel/sound && apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 17:19.41 | stew | Haukkari: on a debian kernel, or one you compiled? |
| 17:20.01 | Haukkari | stew: Debian kernel. :) |
| 17:20.09 | Haukkari | stew: it's a remote machine.. but I got in as root with sudo |
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| 17:20.25 | valdyn | ronove: after you did that, reboot, run alsaconf, come back here with problems as they come |
| 17:20.37 | ronove | valdyn: ok, I'll try, thx |
| 17:20.44 | stew | Haukkari: do you really need udev on a remote machine? |
| 17:21.04 | roby | chealer: i did not check if pear comes under another name, let me check again |
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| 17:21.37 | Haukkari | stew: umm, yeah, it's not remote when I'm at it. =) |
| 17:22.01 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 17:22.01 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 17:22.05 | valdyn | alex_joni: ^^^ |
| 17:22.09 | roby | chealer: indeed, a different name :) |
| 17:22.11 | kristalino | do you know a good svn client, like cervisia for cvs ? |
| 17:22.30 | alex_joni | valdyn: I already read that |
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| 17:23.15 | alex_joni | but it doesn't cover my question, I need my deb to depend on a few other packages, and I can't seem to find a good syntax |
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| 17:24.13 | jjazz | kristalino: You mean a GUI? |
| 17:24.58 | roby | With packages.debian.org down, is there another way to search the contents of packages for particular files? |
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| 17:25.31 | stew | roby: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:25.41 | kristalino | jjazz, yes |
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| 17:26.17 | jjazz | kristalino: Check out rapidsvn and esvn. They're the ones to look out. They're both in pretty awful shape. |
| 17:26.31 | roby | stew: thanks |
| 17:26.34 | DevilChaos | how do i specify another ip address for my second interface eth1? |
| 17:26.59 | jjazz | kristalino: If your users are tech savvy, the CLI is a piece of cake. |
| 17:27.02 | biohazrd | you can add it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:27.02 | kristalino | jjazz, k, thanks. "pretty awful shape" uh ? |
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| 17:27.11 | feistel | hi |
| 17:27.12 | DevilChaos | ty |
| 17:27.13 | biohazrd | or just use ifup |
| 17:27.15 | feistel | how I can mount a CD-ROM without lock the driver? |
| 17:27.46 | blondie | feistel: eh? |
| 17:27.54 | jjazz | kristalino: Yeah. Last I checked (a few months ago), one wouldn't recurse into dirs. The other crashed like crazy. One wouldn't authenticate, so couldn't commit. That kind of stuff. |
| 17:28.10 | feistel | blondie: when I mount a CD-ROM , I can't eject them |
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| 17:28.13 | jjazz | kristalino: I'm sure they're improving, but I wouldn't call either one usable now. |
| 17:28.17 | kristalino | jjazz, :( |
| 17:28.21 | blondie | feistel: yes that's good |
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| 17:28.28 | feistel | blondie: no |
| 17:28.29 | blondie | feistel: you're meant to unmount them first |
| 17:28.31 | blondie | YES |
| 17:28.31 | biohazrd | feistel, cuz its still mounted |
| 17:28.32 | jjazz | kristalino: Then again, YMMV. |
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| 17:28.43 | biohazrd | umount /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:28.44 | blondie | there's no reason to eject a mounted CD |
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| 17:28.52 | biohazrd | or whatever your device is, or mount point |
| 17:28.58 | feistel | blondie, biohazrd: I need eject a mounted CD |
| 17:29.07 | blondie | why? |
| 17:29.09 | biohazrd | then unmounted it |
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| 17:29.11 | kristalino | http://www.alwins-world.de/programs/kdesvn/ this one jjazz ? |
| 17:29.30 | feistel | blondie, biohazrd : I have a Windows user in a Linux Desktop, understand? |
| 17:29.47 | biohazrd | are you on the box? |
| 17:29.52 | feistel | yes |
| 17:29.57 | blondie | Ferret: well |
| 17:29.58 | blondie | erm |
| 17:30.01 | blondie | feistel |
| 17:30.01 | feistel | some options in the /etc/fstab? |
| 17:30.07 | jjazz | kristalino: I never used that one. Nobody in this office uses KDE. But if you use it and like it, let me know. |
| 17:30.07 | biohazrd | as root do "umount cdrom" |
| 17:30.12 | blondie | you can't eject mounted CDs |
| 17:30.17 | biohazrd | or umount /dev/cdrom, most likely |
| 17:30.18 | blondie | other than with a paperclip cl.c |
| 17:30.22 | icebit | hi all |
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| 17:30.47 | kristalino | jjazz, i don't use kde as well, but i use kde apps :) |
| 17:30.56 | biohazrd | i don't know if you have it named different or what the name of your mount point is, but that is pretty standard |
| 17:31.07 | lordnazgul | is there another way to set the network card for full duplex. i tried ethtool -s eth0 duplex full and got cannot get current device settings: operation not supported not setting full duplex. i get a similar message regardless of what i am trying to do with ethtool (speed, etc) |
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| 17:31.29 | jjazz | kristalino: People around here seem to center around gnome or emacs. |
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| 17:32.11 | biohazrd | jjazz i use kde |
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| 17:32.51 | draconi | hi, I have sound problems. alsamixer has only the pcm slider and xmms plays a song fine but I don't hear anything |
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| 17:33.57 | biohazrd | draconi what soundcard? supported now as module or in the kernel? |
| 17:34.21 | lordnazgul | anyone familiar at all with ethtool |
| 17:34.37 | draconi | 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 17:34.40 | draconi | thats what lspci says |
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| 17:35.18 | kristalino | jjazz, i center myself around windowmaker and emacs ;) |
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| 17:36.46 | feistel | blondie, biohazrd : how Knoppix eject the Live-CD without umount ? |
| 17:36.51 | feistel | when reboot |
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| 17:37.26 | biohazrd | this is not knoppix channel.. I assumed you had debian running... I don't know anything about knoppix |
| 17:38.00 | feistel | biohazrd: knoppix is based on debian |
| 17:38.11 | draconi | feistel: try #knoppix |
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| 17:38.16 | biohazrd | darconi, the module is Intel HD Audio, just tring to find the actual module name, one minute |
| 17:38.16 | Eulex | !knoppix |
| 17:38.16 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 17:38.34 | ChubStudy | good morning afternoon night ! |
| 17:38.36 | ChubStudy | :D |
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| 17:39.03 | biohazrd | right on dpkg! |
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| 17:39.13 | hyksos | hi, when grub i setup to start a bootentry as default, how can i display grub at bootbegin? with lilo SHIFT works, but not with grub? |
| 17:39.44 | hyksos | i wanna choose another bootentry, but cannot see grub-menu |
| 17:39.47 | ChubStudy | I know this is a weird question but anyone knows how to migrate Debian users to a Fedora system ? ( I'm doing this out of nececsity ! ) :S |
| 17:39.59 | hyksos | ChubStudy :install kde |
| 17:39.59 | dvm | hello |
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| 17:40.42 | biohazrd | draconi, based on what you pasted the sound chip is recogzined correctly |
| 17:40.58 | draconi | biohazrd: seems like that |
| 17:41.00 | biohazrd | it is most likely some mixer setting problem |
| 17:41.02 | ChubStudy | hyksos... any idea on how to do it command line based ? I only have command line right now |
| 17:41.20 | draconi | biohazrd: any clues? as mentioned, alsamixer only has the "pcm" slider, which I find unusual |
| 17:41.21 | biohazrd | draconi, using kde or gnome? |
| 17:41.28 | draconi | biohazrd: oeh, gnome |
| 17:41.33 | draconi | biohazrd: but no sound daemon running |
| 17:41.46 | biohazrd | i had that problem with a soundblaster card, trying to remebmer what the problem was |
| 17:41.49 | hyksos | ChubStudy :what? |
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| 17:42.30 | chealer | ChubStudy: yep, try telling them to go to hell |
| 17:42.36 | ChubStudy | hyksos I just have ssh access to the debian server I just want to see if there's a program that will allow me to move my user accounts in full to a fedora system |
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| 17:42.56 | kurtak | Hello- I found out that my system isn't using my swap partition, and i have no idea why, or how to get it enabled. If I do "swapon -a" it gives me back "swapon. /dev/hda7. Invalid argument" and /dev/hda7 is definitely my swap partition, fdisk says so too |
| 17:43.00 | biohazrd | if i recall (i use kde) in kdemix, there was a dropdown box for using a differnct mixer. One was a generic mixer that only had a few settings, the other was the emuk10 mixer for the specific card |
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| 17:43.13 | kurtak | Any clues as to how to get my swap partition working again? |
| 17:43.23 | hyksos | ChubStudy :why do you wanna move your use accounts on another system? |
| 17:43.30 | stew | kurtak: run mkswap on it again |
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| 17:43.42 | biohazrd | kurtak, check /etc/fstab and see if it is to be mounted too |
| 17:43.56 | draconi | biohazrd: I'll investigate on this |
| 17:43.57 | DexterF | kurtak: run mksw... stew's faster |
| 17:44.06 | ChubStudy | hyksos as I said out of need I was forced to migrate my dear loved debian to feedora now I need to make things easier migrating all user accounts |
| 17:44.12 | stew | kurtak: i had it happen to me, i think it might have been caused while i was playing with swsusp2 |
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| 17:44.43 | gnd | hi |
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| 17:45.08 | hyksos | ChubStudy :sorry, that i dont know |
| 17:45.10 | gnd | anyone have any experience with installing Cinelerra on debian unstable? |
| 17:45.22 | kurtak | stew: Well I should also note that as a kernel boot option, i have resume=/dev/hda7 because that was suggested on the thinkwiki site for suspend to disk to work.. i have a thinkpad and i'm using swsup too |
| 17:45.46 | ChubStudy | np |
| 17:46.15 | blondie | feistel: knoppix does unmount |
| 17:46.15 | kurtak | stew: Is it safe enough to do just "mkswap /dev/hda7" w/o any options? |
| 17:46.24 | blondie | kurtak: yes |
| 17:46.37 | kurtak | thanks blondie |
| 17:47.38 | hyksos | how can i make appear the grub menu at boot, so that i can choose another entry to boot? |
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| 17:47.58 | hyksos | which button makes the magic? |
| 17:47.58 | aethera | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.01 | aethera | how would I get Xorg on debian sarge? |
| 17:48.03 | kurtak | Ok, and would anyone know why my hotkey for hibernate doesn't work?? I have the hotkey bound to the event in /etc/acpi/events but it just doesn't do anything |
| 17:48.15 | hyksos | aethera :apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 17:48.21 | aethera | hyksos: nope |
| 17:48.21 | kurtak | However, the hotkey for suspend-top-ram works |
| 17:48.31 | aethera | E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg |
| 17:48.37 | stew | kurtak: i never got swsusp2 working, i'm just using mode 3 acpi suspend, and i'm happy with that |
| 17:48.42 | hyksos | aethera :sorry, its in unstable |
| 17:48.43 | stew | aethera: why do you need xorg? |
| 17:48.54 | aethera | stew: for my stupid tv card to function |
| 17:49.04 | kurtak | stew: hehe, okay. i'll try this hibernate state once more... |
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| 17:49.08 | biohazrd | hyksos, i haven't used grub in a while, but i belieive in /boot/grub you can find the file to edit for options. My guess is your grub file has no delay and is not setup to prompt for other kernels |
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| 17:49.24 | stew | aethera: what card? you are using the tv card for output? |
| 17:49.35 | aethera | nope |
| 17:49.40 | aethera | it just does not work |
| 17:49.40 | hyksos | biohazrd :i know,but i cannot go till there, the defaultentry doesnt boot anymore, so i must choose another one |
| 17:49.47 | hyksos | biohazrd :but how? |
| 17:49.48 | stew | aethera: why do you think xorg would fix anything? |
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| 17:49.54 | aethera | the tuner does not find any channels |
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| 17:50.08 | stew | aethera: that has absolutely nothing to do with xorg |
| 17:50.12 | draconi | biohazrd: I don't have a choice in kmix or gnome-alsamixer |
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| 17:50.21 | kurtak | ? |
| 17:50.23 | kspath | Senior Windows Admin: 5-10 years experience in pointing and clicking necessary |
| 17:50.24 | hyksos | stew :because xorg does support somethings xfree86 doesnt |
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| 17:50.48 | kurtak | i'm back- echo disk > /sys/power/state tries to do its thing, but it comes back to X |
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| 17:51.05 | kurtak | I at least still have the swap part. in use |
| 17:51.06 | biohazrd | hyksos sounds like you need to boot a rescue disk and fix it |
| 17:51.09 | aethera | ok I am moving to a unstalble branch of sarge |
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| 17:51.19 | tolle | Is anyone good at bash prompts? i.e. setting the PS1, I'm experiencing some strange problems. |
| 17:51.21 | stew | hyksos: how could xorg possibly be involved with whether or not a tvcard sees channels |
| 17:51.27 | Eulex | !unstable |
| 17:51.27 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 17:51.33 | stew | aethera: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 17:51.53 | hyksos | biohazrd :is there no button i can break the bootup sequenze from normal and enter the simple grub menu? wiht lilo it was soooo easy |
| 17:51.57 | stew | aethera: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:52.00 | biohazrd | draconi, have you tried running alsaconfig again? (I think that is right, its been a while since using it) |
| 17:52.09 | aethera | aethera@spawn:~$ uname -a |
| 17:52.09 | kurtak | Thanks stew and friends! |
| 17:52.09 | aethera | Linux spawn 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Thu May 19 18:03:29 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:52.14 | lordnazgul | what is the easiest way to set an ethernet adapter to full duplex on boot. |
| 17:52.17 | hyksos | stew: the thing with tv channels i dont support :) |
| 17:52.24 | stew | aethera: why not try a newer kernel before you move to unstable? |
| 17:52.40 | biohazrd | hyksos, i don't know grub well, i to used lilo. You mean like choosing linuxsingle? |
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| 17:52.44 | epsilon | is it possible to extend expire date of a gpg RSA-subkey? |
| 17:52.45 | aethera | stew: because to compile a new kernel will take ages |
| 17:52.56 | Eulex | aethera, you don't need to compile. |
| 17:53.03 | hyksos | biohazrd :no, like pressing button shift |
| 17:53.10 | aethera | Eulex: |
| 17:53.11 | mluggy | one last question - how would I know if my x346 IBM server works with Debian? |
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| 17:53.14 | aethera | but then wtf? |
| 17:53.16 | stew | aethera: do you need to compile any 3rd party modules for your kernel? |
| 17:53.18 | Eulex | aethera, for a 2.6.12 kernel, get it from testing. for a 2.6.14 or 2.6.15 kernel, get them from backports.org. |
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| 17:53.27 | biohazrd | hyksos brb |
| 17:53.30 | PupenoL | How do you manage your firewalls now that /etc/init.d/iptables is depricated (and when you are not using a custom made script) ? |
| 17:53.58 | stew | aethera: Eulex's suggestion of a kernel from backports.org is a much better idea than moving to unstable just to avoid waiting for a kernel to compile |
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| 17:54.12 | Eulex | aethera, please don't /msg me |
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| 17:54.29 | aethera | Eulex: do I just add testing to my sourcelist? |
| 17:54.41 | Eulex | aethera, no, just get the deb and dpkg -i it. |
| 17:54.58 | aethera | but I want xorg aswell |
| 17:55.00 | hyksos | PupenoL :yesterday i saw kmyfirewall, which seemed to let use all options of the iptables commandline |
| 17:55.01 | _joey_ | does anyone know if ntfs could be mounted to read and write under 2.6.11 ? |
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| 17:55.05 | aethera | for the new composit features |
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| 17:55.12 | starfishy | joey: yes, it can |
| 17:55.12 | _joey_ | *for* |
| 17:55.26 | _joey_ | oki doki |
| 17:55.29 | Eulex | aethera, I believe you can get it from backports.org too. |
| 17:55.33 | ChubStudy | hi friends hasa anyone tried to migrate debian user accounts to fedora ? |
| 17:55.39 | ChubStudy | to cpanel ? |
| 17:55.56 | starfishy | unlikely |
| 17:55.57 | mluggy | anyone experienced installing Debian with IBM x336/346 ? |
| 17:55.57 | stew | aethera: if you need to compile any 3rd party modules for your kenrel you will want the backported one, not the etch one |
| 17:56.02 | starfishy | few debian users like fedora |
| 17:56.19 | ChubStudy | I don't like fedora but I was forced to change |
| 17:56.33 | ChubStudy | now I just need a way to move my users to fedora |
| 17:56.38 | ronin | ChubStudy: management smoking crack again? |
| 17:56.48 | ChubStudy | Ronin exactly :S |
| 17:56.54 | blondie | just copy the files over |
| 17:56.58 | starfishy | yeah |
| 17:57.04 | starfishy | copy /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 17:57.06 | ChubStudy | I'm so pissed and I have to do it fast ! |
| 17:57.17 | starfishy | ensure that the permissions for /etc/shadow are correct |
| 17:57.18 | ChubStudy | and tgz home ? |
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| 17:57.30 | biohazrd | hyksos i couldnt find anything on goolge useful |
| 17:57.31 | ChubStudy | then move the whole enchilada ? |
| 17:57.36 | starfishy | oh, and switch off SEL, otherwise that thing might interfere |
| 17:57.46 | ChubStudy | SEL ? |
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| 17:58.02 | starfishy | Security Enhanced Linux |
| 17:58.08 | ChubStudy | on fedora ? |
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| 17:58.12 | starfishy | yes |
| 17:58.19 | ChubStudy | cause I don't remember ever setting that on debian |
| 17:58.29 | starfishy | The Red Hat clones have it enabled enforcing by default |
| 17:58.30 | ChubStudy | ok now how do I set sel off ? |
| 17:58.37 | hyksos | biohazrd :about what? |
| 17:58.42 | starfishy | at least RHEL and CentOS do and I think its a safe bet that Fedora does too |
| 17:58.48 | biohazrd | grub and your issue |
| 17:58.52 | aethera | where can I get the kernel deb from? |
| 17:59.18 | Eulex | aethera, backports.org |
| 17:59.19 | hyksos | biohazrd :i booted knoppix, thanks |
| 17:59.27 | biohazrd | lol ok |
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| 17:59.53 | biohazrd | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622 seems to have some useful info on grub |
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| 18:01.04 | mluggy | anyone experienced installing Debian with IBM x336/346 ? |
| 18:01.21 | starfishy | ChubStudy: go to System-Menu -> Administration -> Security and Firewall |
| 18:01.31 | aethera | ok when I run apt-get dist-upgrade it still want to pull in xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:01.35 | aethera | how would I get mast that |
| 18:01.43 | ronin | mluggy: seeing as this is the 4th time youve asked with no answer im betting no, how about just ask your question about what ever problem your having? |
| 18:01.44 | starfishy | there is an SELinux tab in there |
| 18:01.59 | starfishy | make sure it is set to disabled |
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| 18:02.46 | ChubStudy | thx starfishy |
| 18:03.03 | mluggy | ronin: i guess i'll need to try :) |
| 18:03.27 | starfishy | yw |
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| 18:03.50 | stew | aethera: what version of xserver-xfree86 do you currently have installed? |
| 18:04.02 | starfishy | i have to work with Red Hat and clones at my contract partners, so I have fallen into a few of the traps before :) |
| 18:04.04 | aethera | stew: how do I check? |
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| 18:04.31 | ChubStudy | ok kool any way to disable it over SSH ? |
| 18:04.31 | stew | aethera: "dpkg -l xserver-xfree86", btw if you don't know such basic stuff you *really* don't want to move to sid |
| 18:04.37 | aethera | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 |
| 18:04.53 | stew | aethera: what version of the debian package |
| 18:05.13 | aethera | ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server |
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| 18:05.31 | stew | aethera: then dist-upgrade is upgrading it becuase there is a security fix available |
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| 18:05.45 | aethera | but I will goto xorg rather |
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| 18:05.56 | stew | aethera: why do you want xorg? |
| 18:06.33 | jojux | hi there ! |
| 18:06.35 | stew | aethera: xorg isn't in stable |
| 18:06.46 | aethera | stew: its ok |
| 18:07.49 | aethera | going to 2.6.15 now atm |
| 18:07.52 | aethera | then xorg |
| 18:07.55 | phycho | ~untesting |
| 18:08.02 | phycho | ~testing |
| 18:08.03 | apt | [testing] done - but yes, further excursions will take place elsewhere |
| 18:08.10 | phycho | ~unstable |
| 18:08.11 | apt | rumour has it, unstable is http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l |
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| 18:08.15 | stew | phycho: /msg the bot |
| 18:08.22 | phycho | bah, stupid bot is no help |
| 18:08.37 | ronin | phycho: dont be so vague then |
| 18:08.38 | stew | phycho: if you have a specific question, ask it |
| 18:08.49 | kingsley | stew: You're holding the #1 spot in my #debian productivity log at www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/nick_productivity |
| 18:08.51 | phycho | whats the best version of debian to use for a UML |
| 18:08.55 | phycho | i want one with _working_ packages |
| 18:09.08 | phycho | ive tried sarge.. and it doesnt work properly in a UML |
| 18:09.12 | phycho | sshd fails |
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| 18:09.22 | phycho | unstable does, with the same config |
| 18:09.22 | stew | kingsley: :) |
| 18:09.28 | phycho | but... unstable packages suck |
| 18:09.37 | phycho | some of them are pretty broken |
| 18:09.41 | phycho | so.. what should i go for? |
| 18:09.48 | stew | phycho: how does sshd fail? |
| 18:09.54 | ronin | find out why it fails and fix it |
| 18:10.02 | phycho | when i try to connect, it dies. |
| 18:10.03 | phycho | i cnat |
| 18:10.04 | phycho | cant |
| 18:10.04 | phycho | it wont log anything |
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| 18:10.17 | phycho | i ran it in debug mode |
| 18:10.18 | phycho | and still nothing. |
| 18:10.21 | ChubStudy | damn... any backup program for debian that could be fedora compatible ? |
| 18:10.27 | blondie | rsync |
| 18:10.34 | blondie | tar |
| 18:10.35 | El|V\oNK | what did you do to it phycho |
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| 18:10.41 | phycho | nothing |
| 18:10.45 | phycho | it never worked from the start. |
| 18:10.59 | jojux | i have here an strange phenomenon on sarge. i ve some files on machines like /dev/input/event1 with ownership root:root and permissions 660. the admins including me have as secondary group root. but i have no access to that file. (permission denied). whats wrong ? |
| 18:11.07 | El|V\oNK | is there an error msg? |
| 18:11.12 | phycho | nope |
| 18:11.18 | phycho | it just drops the connection from my client |
| 18:11.20 | phycho | no errors anywhere |
| 18:11.24 | phycho | ive looked in all the logfiles |
| 18:11.42 | El|V\oNK | and then what |
| 18:11.43 | stew | phycho: by debug mod you mean running sshd with the -d option? |
| 18:12.00 | phycho | yep |
| 18:12.04 | stew | phycho: can you show us the output? |
| 18:12.09 | phycho | there is no output |
| 18:12.10 | phycho | at all |
| 18:12.21 | phycho | when i connect from my client putty just dies. |
| 18:12.30 | phycho | when i telnet to the port its running on i get the sshd banner |
| 18:12.37 | ronin | logging is turned on for ssh? |
| 18:12.40 | phycho | yep |
| 18:12.43 | phycho | debug mode |
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| 18:13.12 | stew | phycho: if you telnet to the port and get an ssh banner, than you must have gotten something from sshd -d |
| 18:13.23 | stew | phycho: becuase it would have spit out stuff before it bound to the port |
| 18:13.24 | phycho | sshd -d displays nothing |
| 18:13.30 | phycho | in any of the logs |
| 18:13.32 | stew | phycho: what is the exact command line you used? |
| 18:13.38 | biohazrd | phycho, all the right libs installed for your putty client? libeasll.dll and such? |
| 18:13.39 | phycho | sshd -d |
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| 18:13.50 | phycho | biohazrd - putty works fine on other pcs on my lan |
| 18:13.55 | biohazrd | ah ok |
| 18:13.56 | stew | phycho: did you have another sshd running? |
| 18:13.59 | phycho | including the host system (debian) |
| 18:14.02 | phycho | which ironically is the same distro as the UML one |
| 18:14.06 | stew | phycho: you must have had another sshd running |
| 18:14.06 | phycho | and its the UML one that fails |
| 18:14.11 | phycho | stew - no, i didnt |
| 18:14.15 | phycho | i killed it |
| 18:14.16 | phycho | and ran a new one |
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| 18:14.33 | stew | phycho: try "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222" |
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| 18:14.48 | phycho | stew - i will do, im reinstalling it atm to try again |
| 18:14.50 | phycho | whats weird, is that i setup telnetd |
| 18:14.52 | phycho | and that worked.. |
| 18:14.53 | phycho | go figure. |
| 18:14.54 | phycho | heh |
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| 18:15.07 | stew | phycho: it would have spit stuff out on stdout before it bound to a port, so if it didnt' spit anything out, it didn't bind to the port and you were getting a different sshd |
| 18:15.09 | phycho | i think its something to do with the terminals thats the problem |
| 18:15.20 | phycho | stew - i most definetely wasnt |
| 18:15.26 | phycho | there was nothing else listening. |
| 18:15.36 | stew | phycho: /msg dpkg enter |
| 18:16.00 | stew | phycho: so you think that the -d is broken in stable? i kinda doubt it |
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| 18:16.07 | phycho | stew - thats not what im saying |
| 18:16.17 | phycho | what iam saying is that stable is broken in UML. its just screwed. |
| 18:16.20 | mya | hi guys! |
| 18:16.40 | mya | anybody know how to set up proxy login in the apt-get? |
| 18:16.44 | phycho | the exact same setup in untesting works fine |
| 18:16.47 | phycho | with no changes whatsoever. |
| 18:16.53 | phycho | yet in stable it borks |
| 18:16.54 | stew | phycho: well you are saying that sshd is binding to a port, and that -d isn't telling you that it is binding, which means -d isn't working, which i have a hard time believing |
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| 18:17.04 | phycho | well, thats how it is |
| 18:17.08 | phycho | nothing is printed on the output |
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| 18:17.14 | phycho | at all |
| 18:17.16 | stew | !tell phycho about enter |
| 18:17.27 | phycho | .. i already did it |
| 18:17.43 | phycho | the way i type is the way i type, i really could not give a shit. |
| 18:17.59 | pngwn | w0w |
| 18:18.08 | phycho | its irrevelant to the problem at hand. |
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| 18:18.19 | pngwn | nice attitude when you are trying to get help |
| 18:18.46 | gozz | how do i cd to a dir that is two words? |
| 18:18.47 | phycho | pngwn - its a nice attitude to tell someone that their typing skills suck and they need to stop using more than one line so often |
| 18:18.53 | phycho | why are people so damned picky. |
| 18:19.15 | gozz | it tells me no such file or dir |
| 18:19.16 | ronin | because |
| 18:19.16 | ronin | its |
| 18:19.18 | ronin | annoying |
| 18:19.18 | ronin | to |
| 18:19.20 | stew | stop |
| 18:19.21 | ronin | read |
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| 18:19.22 | cisse | gozz cd some\ dir |
| 18:19.25 | ronin | one line at a time :) |
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| 18:19.35 | stew | ronin: stop trying to be annoying |
| 18:19.36 | phycho | ronin - if you type one line at a time, i agree.. but i was not typing one line at a time |
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| 18:20.02 | malboro | holaaaa |
| 18:20.04 | davidw | hi... major troubles. Thanks to a nasty script (dwins.netoffice.org <- morons) I managed to do an rm -rf / |
| 18:20.09 | ronin | stew: wasnt trying to be, for a change, just trying to show phycho maybe why someone sent him about enter |
| 18:20.10 | phycho | lol |
| 18:20.12 | phycho | ouch.. |
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| 18:20.14 | Kinks | and so #debian breaks out in chaos all over how many words per line someone types. |
| 18:20.15 | davidw | I lost /etc/, /dev/ and /bin |
| 18:20.15 | Kinks | leet |
| 18:20.29 | stew | davidw: thank god for backups! |
| 18:20.31 | davidw | thanks to some creative hacking I got /bin and /dev back from another machine on the network |
| 18:20.43 | phycho | haha |
| 18:20.44 | abrotman | good thing you got /dev/ back |
| 18:21.02 | davidw | abrotman, yeah, I was ssh'ed into it, so now I have ssh back up again - it needs /dev/random |
| 18:21.09 | ralfWORK_ | sounds like a good learning experience |
| 18:21.18 | ralfWORK_ | :) |
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| 18:21.51 | triNode | hi, I've added dotdeb.org to my apt sources list, and installed apache2 and php5, now I get "Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. You need to recompile PHP" |
| 18:21.58 | triNode | Should there be such a mismatch? |
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| 18:22.07 | pipeline | triNode: Install a different apache2 package. |
| 18:22.10 | davidw | stew, my boss thought new development work was more important than configuring the backup system |
| 18:22.11 | pipeline | apt-cache search apache2 |
| 18:22.21 | cisse | triNode: i haven't found that with the ftp.debian.org packages |
| 18:22.23 | stew | davidw: this will hopefully change his mind |
| 18:22.29 | davidw | I have half a mind to walk out the door I'm so mad |
| 18:22.37 | davidw | but I need the money |
| 18:22.39 | davidw | anyway... |
| 18:22.40 | mya | anybody know how to set up proxy login in the apt-get? |
| 18:22.41 | pipeline | triNode: I think you want apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 18:22.47 | davidw | I have apt running again... |
| 18:22.49 | pipeline | triNode: It's much slower than the default, threaded mpm, but it won't crash php |
| 18:23.11 | triNode | strange that they didn't compile php to be threadsafe :/ |
| 18:23.13 | gozz | the folder is named Disturbed Discography i can cd to rammstein-reise-reise but how can i cd to a dir with a space instead of a - ? |
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| 18:23.20 | davidw | isn't there a way to use apt/dpkg to check the integrity of packages? |
| 18:23.20 | triNode | thanks pipeline I'll give it a go |
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| 18:23.30 | cisse | gozz cd Disturbed\ Discography |
| 18:23.38 | stew | mya: iirc, apt-setup will help you setup a proxy |
| 18:23.40 | cisse | gozz you escape spaces by using \ |
| 18:23.53 | aethera | does the default kernel in debian allow for framebuffer? |
| 18:24.00 | stew | aethera: yes |
| 18:24.15 | aethera | stew: so I just need to add a line to my grub.config? |
| 18:24.18 | mya | stew: I tried, but it doesn't work |
| 18:24.34 | triNode | pipeline: many thanks, that did the trick :) |
| 18:25.02 | cisse | mya: it's an option in apt.conf acquire::http::proxy "http://username:password@proxy:port" |
| 18:25.14 | stew | mya: man apt.conf, search for proxy |
| 18:25.19 | mya | stew: sometimes it does not apear to set proxu in the apt-setup |
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| 18:25.33 | aethera | stew: correct? |
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| 18:25.54 | stew | aethera: yes, edit menu.lst and edit the #kopt line if you want it to affect all kernels or add a version specific #kopt line for just one kernel, then run update-grub |
| 18:25.55 | gozz | nope still dont work |
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| 18:26.15 | bronaugh | hm, this is weird. trying to use mod_perl 2.0 with apache 2.0 on debian testing |
| 18:26.16 | gozz | gozz@debian:/mnt/ntfs2/Audio$ cd Disturbed/ Discography |
| 18:26.16 | gozz | bash: cd: Disturbed/: No such file or directory |
| 18:26.25 | bronaugh | it's complaining about not finding Apache2.pm |
| 18:26.26 | Matt-H | gozz: \ not / |
| 18:26.30 | cisse | gozz: wrong slash |
| 18:26.34 | gozz | ok |
| 18:26.52 | gozz | thanks |
| 18:26.57 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.04 | aethera | and does debian have bootsplash? |
| 18:27.23 | bronaugh | but - Apache2.pm is located in /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/; and path only contains /usr/lib/perl5 |
| 18:27.25 | stew | aethera: no |
| 18:27.31 | bronaugh | so it doesn't load the module and fails. |
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| 18:27.57 | bronaugh | I've compared config with config on my other machines here, and it's the same -- and it works on them, despite this. |
| 18:28.00 | bronaugh | so I'm puzzled. |
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| 18:28.18 | cisse | perms ? |
| 18:28.30 | aethera | ok let me get xorg up |
| 18:28.33 | bronaugh | cisse: apache2 running as root? |
| 18:28.39 | aethera | then I will reboot with new kernel? |
| 18:28.44 | aethera | errr ? = ! |
| 18:29.01 | cisse | hrm |
| 18:29.17 | cisse | duno |
| 18:29.29 | bronaugh | read perms on Apache2.pm |
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| 18:29.49 | bronaugh | so no problem there. |
| 18:30.45 | mya | stew: It starts downloading but after some seconds, stops downloading |
| 18:31.01 | mya | stew: do you now whats happening? |
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| 18:31.25 | davidw | --reinstall looks like what I need to do with apt |
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| 18:32.03 | stew | mya: no, i don't. I'd look at the proxy logs if you have access to them. |
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| 18:32.25 | mya | stew: thanks for the help |
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| 18:33.14 | icebit | ÄÕÍÁÀ ÐÏÔÅÓÔÉÔØ îÅÓÔÁÂÉÌØÎÙÊ ÄÉÓÔÒÉÂÕÔÉ× (sid) |
| 18:33.17 | bronaugh | so anyhow, I'm confused. |
| 18:33.21 | bronaugh | dunno what the hell is breaking. |
| 18:33.51 | vvlaw | how to extract zip files? |
| 18:33.59 | stew | vvlaw: with unzip |
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| 18:35.02 | vvlaw | stew,upzip? can it by through apt-get to get it? |
| 18:35.19 | mya | anybody know what can be in gdm when the font size is so small, that it seems like a line traced in the screen! |
| 18:35.33 | vvlaw | stew, sorry. i think i had installed it |
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| 18:35.39 | vvlaw | stew, i will try it |
| 18:35.40 | pipeline | mya: Perhaps your DPI settings are ridiculous? |
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| 18:37.06 | mya | pipeline: how can I fix this? |
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| 18:38.24 | aethera | :) |
| 18:38.28 | aethera | I just installed xorg |
| 18:38.32 | aethera | now X does not start |
| 18:38.40 | fericitu_ | how can install ncurses library in debian pls |
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| 18:38.43 | aethera | :P |
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| 18:39.26 | stew | fericitu_: trying to make menuconfig? |
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| 18:40.04 | bouncing | I've been setting permissions on my /dev/nvram device, but they get reset on reboot. Where do I set them permanently? |
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| 18:40.35 | fericitu_ | yes |
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| 18:40.41 | stew | fericitu_: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 18:40.46 | fericitu_ | thx |
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| 18:41.24 | stew | bouncing: the better solution is to add users to the nvram group that need access to it |
| 18:41.54 | bouncing | stew: Actually it gets created as root/root |
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| 18:42.06 | stew | bouncing: do you run udev? |
| 18:42.08 | bouncing | stew: 660 |
| 18:43.01 | math1236 | does anyone run a gl screensaver as a gdm background? it seems as if it takes (consistently) 30 seconds to start on my machine; does anyone know of a timeout setting or something? |
| 18:43.20 | mya | anybody know what can be in gdm when the font size is so small, that it seems like a line traced in the screen! |
| 18:43.36 | math1236 | mya: monitor dpi, check xorg.conf |
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| 18:43.40 | bouncing | stew: It appears that I do. Its man page says it's required for hotplug and I have a hotplugging enabled. |
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| 18:44.22 | mya | math1236: What do I have to change? |
| 18:44.28 | stew | bouncing: then you can permanantly set the permissions in /etc/udev/permissions.rules ; however i would recommend keeping it 660 and changing its group to nvram |
| 18:44.35 | bouncing | stew: In udev's rules, here is the following line: KERNEL=="nvram", GROUP="nvram" |
| 18:44.42 | bouncing | stew: on permissions |
| 18:44.43 | mya | math1236: because this only happens to gdm |
| 18:44.55 | davidw | anyone got some example db.10 files for bind9? |
| 18:44.58 | stew | bouncing: do you have an nvram group? |
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| 18:45.25 | stew | bouncing: "getent group nvram" should return a line if you do |
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| 18:45.53 | aethera | hey |
| 18:45.55 | aethera | it works |
| 18:46.01 | aethera | how can I see what driver X is using? |
| 18:46.03 | bouncing | stew: It appears that I do not. I assume creating one and adding myeslf to it will solve the problem? |
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| 18:46.57 | drac | aethera: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:47.09 | drac | aethera: or see your xorg.conf. |
| 18:47.29 | bouncing | stew: Yeah, looks like the way to go. sweet, thanks! |
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| 18:47.36 | aethera | it seems to be the ATI driver |
| 18:47.43 | aethera | but the glxgears is really slow |
| 18:48.12 | vvlaw | how many people had watched the movie of"Revolution.OS.2001.DVDRip.XviD-RETRO.avi "? |
| 18:48.36 | petemc | 19 |
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| 18:48.53 | drac | or 20? |
| 18:48.58 | petemc | i think 19 |
| 18:49.08 | petemc | did you watch it? that would make 20 |
| 18:49.09 | drac | yeah, you are prolly right |
| 18:49.18 | drac | yeah then 20 |
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| 18:49.23 | vvlaw | i just download it |
| 18:49.28 | drac | soon 21 |
| 18:49.33 | petemc | heh |
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| 18:49.44 | vvlaw | only 21 people? |
| 18:49.51 | petemc | not yet.. |
| 18:49.58 | drac | after you watch it |
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| 18:50.06 | vvlaw | hehe |
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| 18:50.22 | vvlaw | it's late,so i will watch it tomorrow |
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| 18:51.35 | vvlaw | i will go to sleep. and then i want to set my ubuntu system to play music via after 30 mintues |
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| 18:52.12 | vvlaw | so is it i can set these fuction? ~$ shutdown -p 30 |
| 18:52.21 | Nwallins | hello. what are the potential downsides to setting a program like tcpflow suid root? |
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| 18:52.37 | aethera | does glxinfo to display dri info? |
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| 18:54.13 | cbr | is discover still needed in debian unstable? i heard that udev does it's job basically now? |
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| 18:55.09 | cisse | nwalllins: if someone discovers a vuln in it they can potentially use it to gain root access from a regular acct |
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| 18:55.29 | Nwallins | cisse: ok, thanks |
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| 18:57.43 | stew | cbr: udev does hotplug's job, not discover |
| 18:57.45 | stew | 's |
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| 18:58.19 | stew | cbr: and discover is never really necessary, you can just put the modules you need to have loaded in /etc/modules and be done with discover |
| 18:58.24 | chigvan | hello, im trying to install xserver-xorg, i've got multiple ftp servers as sources but keep getting E: couldnt find package xserver-xorg, any help appreciated. |
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| 18:58.25 | triNode | ok more daft questions... how do I change the hostname, I ran hostname newhostame and put newhostname in /etc/hostname |
| 18:58.33 | hcy | hi dondelelcaro |
| 18:58.37 | triNode | then rebooted and it came back! |
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| 18:59.18 | chigvan | triNode, as su type base-config and it will let you set the hostname again |
| 18:59.32 | gamblastic | hmm this is weird: when i insert my usb stick into this computer it doesnt auto mount, and when I manually mount it, it takes really really long before its done.. and then it stalles when I copy anything from it.. |
| 18:59.39 | gamblastic | but I dont have this problem with debian on my other pc |
| 18:59.41 | triNode | chigvan: no such command |
| 19:00.03 | chigvan | as su? you are youing debian sarge? it worked for me |
| 19:00.05 | triNode | ah, I'll apt it |
| 19:00.49 | gamblastic | I have been trying to fix this for a very long time with someone else to help me |
| 19:00.53 | gamblastic | me couldnt fix it |
| 19:00.55 | gamblastic | we* |
| 19:01.19 | triNode | thanks chigvan looks like just the thing i needed |
| 19:01.22 | tarzeau | anyone in switzerland these days? |
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| 19:01.30 | chigvan | np |
| 19:01.44 | davidw | tarzeau, no, they were all moved to france for spring cleaning |
| 19:01.45 | drp2 | what all comes on the full cds when I download debian ... do I really need all 14 disks? |
| 19:01.52 | bucky | gamblastic, do you have usbmount installed? |
| 19:01.53 | cisse | no |
| 19:01.59 | ronin | drp2: no you dont |
| 19:02.02 | cetch | help with initial page in apache2, how change initial page |
| 19:02.03 | cisse | drp2: use the netinstall image if you have a decent internet connection |
| 19:02.13 | gamblastic | bucky: ill check hang on |
| 19:02.13 | cisse | cetech: edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 19:02.24 | gamblastic | ah it isnt ;) |
| 19:02.36 | mya | anybody know what can be in gdm when the font size is so small, that it seems like a line traced in the screen |
| 19:02.37 | gamblastic | ill install it and try it again |
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| 19:03.02 | drp2 | cisse: with the netinstall can you choose which kernel it installs and also which distribution (stable, testing, etc) |
| 19:03.06 | stew | drp2: as long as you can get online with the stock kernel you only need the netinstall or cd1, if not you only need whichever cds get you into a position to be online |
| 19:03.44 | stew | drp2: you have your choice of 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, if you want testing, the recommended course is to install stable and upgrade |
| 19:03.52 | cisse | drp2: kernel you can choose 2.4 or 2.6, stable/testing just modify /etc/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade |
| 19:04.02 | gamblastic | bucky: now my light on the usb stick is turned on, but still no files loaded/shown in /media/usb |
| 19:04.16 | cetch | thanks |
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| 19:04.59 | drp2 | cisse: I'm wanting to use stable |
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| 19:05.18 | cisse | then just net install |
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| 19:05.40 | bucky | gamblastic, you need a line in /etc/fstab for it... google for an example |
| 19:05.55 | gamblastic | ok |
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| 19:08.32 | gamblastic | right bucky, i see i already edited fstab before with 2 new lines |
| 19:08.41 | gamblastic | /dev/sdb /media/usbdisk vfat rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 19:08.41 | gamblastic | /dev/sda /media/usbdisk vfat rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 19:08.42 | aethera | !afaik |
| 19:08.42 | dpkg | i guess afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 19:08.50 | bucky | gamblastic, don't paste in here |
| 19:08.55 | gamblastic | ow srry |
| 19:08.56 | gamblastic | my bad |
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| 19:09.19 | greennick | hello - I'm running GNOME and I can press CNTL-ALT-F1 (thru F6) I notice to get a command line terminal, then press CNTL-ALT-F7 to return to the active GNOME session - can anyone point me to documentation for this feature? Can I use a trick like this to have multiple active GNOME sessions (i.e. two different users)? |
| 19:09.58 | cisse | greennick: heh it's a pretty standard linux feature, virtual terminals |
| 19:10.03 | cisse | you can do it without gnome |
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| 19:10.11 | chigvan | what causes apt-get to report E: couldnt find package when its a valid package? |
| 19:10.22 | roby | I am executing a command by shell in php, the command looks for a particular .so file but it is found in other than the standard lib dirs. Is it possible to set enviro vars or trick the app to look in the local (or a particular) dir for the .so file? |
| 19:10.31 | roby | damnit |
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| 19:10.39 | roby | that was meant for #php |
| 19:10.40 | DrCurl | hello |
| 19:10.44 | horza_ | chigvan, do apt-cache search name_of_package |
| 19:10.47 | greennick | cisse: ok, so can i use it to bounce between multiple gnome sessions? i.e. can i start another user's gnome session without canning my own? |
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| 19:11.00 | cisse | greennick: uh not sure, never tried |
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| 19:11.06 | greennick | cisse: thanks |
| 19:11.10 | DrCurl | I'm trying to compile xfce under sarge, I get this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM. What package do I need to fix this? |
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| 19:11.19 | chigvan | horza_, done that, it wont find it in cache either, im trying to install xserver-xorg |
| 19:11.23 | cisse | greennick: i wouldn't be surprised if you could because x is client server |
| 19:11.41 | _rene_ | DrCurl: obviously, libsm-dev |
| 19:11.43 | bucky | DrCurl, is there a reason you're not just apt-getting xfce ? |
| 19:11.45 | horza_ | apt-cache search xserver? |
| 19:12.00 | DrCurl | bucky, trying xfce 4.3 |
| 19:12.01 | chigvan | yes done that too |
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| 19:12.14 | horza_ | what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:12.19 | chigvan | 3.16 |
| 19:12.24 | horza_ | ? |
| 19:12.24 | ScroogeMc | hello everyone |
| 19:12.28 | horza_ | you mean Sarge? |
| 19:12.30 | DrCurl | _rene_, thank you |
| 19:12.32 | chigvan | yes |
| 19:12.56 | horza_ | I don't think that xserver-xorg is a valid package in sarge, I think it only exists in etch and sid |
| 19:13.01 | chigvan | and I've got multiple ftp sources as well for download and updates |
| 19:13.04 | chigvan | oh ok |
| 19:13.11 | ScroogeMc | How can I modify the dpi value when starting X (via gdm or kdm)? |
| 19:13.13 | horza_ | try doing apt-pinning |
| 19:13.24 | horza_ | (not a command) |
| 19:13.27 | horza_ | google it |
| 19:13.51 | _rene_ | ARGS. NO. don't install testing/unstable stuff on sarge |
| 19:13.58 | horza_ | YASE! |
| 19:14.06 | _rene_ | of you really need xorg, use the backports |
| 19:14.09 | chigvan | horza_, ok, I'll try that, thanks |
| 19:14.10 | _rene_ | s/of/if/ |
| 19:14.17 | horza_ | do what rene suggested |
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| 19:14.38 | Mestapheles | Is there any idea when present sid will make it into testing? Ubuntu's dapper drake will be out in two months. |
| 19:14.43 | horza_ | chigvan: do what _rene_ suggested |
| 19:15.06 | horza_ | Mestapheles: debian is about being stable, ubuntu is more about pretty |
| 19:15.10 | _rene_ | Notorious: packages dripple in everyday after a testing period. |
| 19:15.22 | _rene_ | Notorious: there's nothing like "current-sid-becoming-testing" |
| 19:15.31 | _rene_ | Notorious: RTF www.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 19:15.32 | ScroogeMc | How can I modify the dpi value when starting X (via gdm or kdm)? |
| 19:15.32 | chigvan | _rene_, I wanted to try xorg because my 2.6 kernel upgrade kept hanging under xfree86, what a backport? |
| 19:15.42 | _rene_ | chigvan: use google |
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| 19:15.48 | Mestapheles | I know and i rather use debian, but I'd like access to the developing airport extreme open drivers. |
| 19:15.54 | chigvan | _rene_, ok thanks, will do |
| 19:15.59 | _rene_ | chigvan: lol, that kernel issue surely hasn't to do with xfree |
| 19:16.01 | horza_ | Mestapheles: use sid then |
| 19:16.04 | Mestapheles | They work only with 2.6.15 |
| 19:16.05 | pm_ | how can i force the user to change his password at first login on samba? |
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| 19:16.12 | Mestapheles | k |
| 19:16.17 | cisse | hrm are usb 2.0 devices always backwards compatable with usb 1.0 machines (usb wireless adaptors) ? |
| 19:16.27 | horza_ | cisse: in theory |
| 19:16.29 | chigvan | right, back to square one then for me, thanks |
| 19:16.30 | cisse | pm_: it's some ridiculous option google it |
| 19:16.33 | cisse | horza_: word |
| 19:16.33 | _rene_ | Mestapheles: FWIW, you don't need to build them yourself... |
| 19:16.49 | horza_ | ya, ymmv. ALOT |
| 19:16.56 | _rene_ | Notorious: apt-get install bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-powerpc |
| 19:17.05 | _rene_ | Notorious: just in case you didn't know ;) |
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| 19:17.15 | _rene_ | ARGS |
| 19:17.18 | _rene_ | ENICKCOMPLETE |
| 19:17.20 | _rene_ | *shrugs* |
| 19:17.30 | _rene_ | Mestapheles: just in case you didn't know ;) |
| 19:17.35 | horza_ | more likely to be backwards compatible on windoze, since thats what they tested it on, cisse. |
| 19:17.38 | _rene_ | Mestapheles: apt-get install bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-powerpc |
| 19:17.43 | cisse | horza_: k |
| 19:17.48 | Mestapheles | thanks |
| 19:18.01 | _rene_ | you need contrib for it in sources.list |
| 19:18.03 | horza_ | anyone here use PARISC linux? |
| 19:18.11 | _rene_ | of course. non-free firmware and so... |
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| 19:19.06 | Mestapheles | _rene_: I'll give it a go later this week when I install sid. I gather there are no sid isos and one upgrades from testing to sid |
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| 19:19.38 | horza_ | Mestapheles: depending on what mirror you use to install, it may have a sid sources |
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| 19:20.03 | phycho | how would i find out what version of debian i was running on a box? |
| 19:20.08 | phycho | i *think* its etch but not sure |
| 19:20.10 | phycho | actually n/m |
| 19:20.32 | phycho | its etch |
| 19:20.39 | cisse | hrm good q how do you tell |
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| 19:20.48 | Mestapheles | ciao |
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| 19:21.08 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 19:21.25 | solemnwarning | are there any apps for converting text files to UTF-8? |
| 19:22.00 | abrotman | use a utf-8 capable editor ? |
| 19:22.06 | solemnwarning | hmm |
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| 19:22.23 | solemnwarning | so if i set charset to utf-8 in kwrite and save it will convert? |
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| 19:22.51 | greennick | anyone know how i can start a gnome session from a command line? |
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| 19:23.05 | loxley | phycho: maybe looking in /etc/apt/sources.list will give you a hint |
| 19:23.12 | solemnwarning | abrotman? |
| 19:23.17 | abrotman | greennick: i think .. just run gnome-session ? |
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| 19:23.22 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i've never used kwrite |
| 19:23.28 | solemnwarning | hmm |
| 19:23.36 | abrotman | maybe query #debian-kde |
| 19:23.40 | solemnwarning | well, i have over 50 files of source to convert |
| 19:23.48 | NOthsouth | hello, My apache2 stop running, when I try /etc/init.d/apache2 start i receive this message: Could not determine the server`s fuly qualified domain name, using 10.0.0.101 for servername |
| 19:23.49 | solemnwarning | is there anything easier then opening one by one? |
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| 19:24.09 | Bentley | hi all, I'm running unstable and just updated a number of kde libraries (via synaptic). Now kded crashes non stop (SIGABRT). What can I do? |
| 19:24.15 | abrotman | NOthsouth: it still starts though right ? |
| 19:24.22 | loxley | NOthsouth: it cant resolve it |
| 19:24.26 | BucWheat | what is the proper way to install X? I only want twm window manager i have a naked system with only the bare essentials installed as i did not install X during netinst |
| 19:24.32 | pipeline | solemnwarning: There's no sane way to convert text files from one encoding to another, unless it's like, UTF-16. |
| 19:24.36 | NOthsouth | abrotman, nop, apache do not start |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | BucWheat: x-window-system-core |
| 19:24.43 | NOthsouth | loxley, cant resolv what ? |
| 19:24.48 | abrotman | NOthsouth: you can try placing an entry in /etc/hosts |
| 19:24.58 | loxley | NOthsouth: probably the name you set it to |
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| 19:25.19 | NOthsouth | abrotman, placing for what ? |
| 19:25.42 | Annirak | Bash question: Suppose I have 3 variables foo1, through foo3. I want to sequentially assign them to bar. I'm itterating through using a for loop. For whatever reason, it's important to me to have the 1,2,3 accessible as a discreete variable, so I'm using i for that one. My initial thought was something like let "bar = ${foo$i}" should work, but it doesn't. How do I accomplish this? |
| 19:26.05 | greennick | abrotman: ok, yeah, that's what i found too. i'm trying to run it on an alternate display, but gnome-session -display :1 isn't working... |
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| 19:26.18 | ScroogeMc | How can I modify the dpi value when starting X (via gdm or kdm)? |
| 19:26.23 | BucWheat | abrotman it says x-window-system-core is already the newest version |
| 19:26.38 | BucWheat | when i run startx it says: /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 19:26.42 | BucWheat | xinit: server error |
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| 19:27.14 | Red_Cloud | I am downloading the etch release of debian-32-amd64-binary-1.jigdo. Most of my connection time is taken up with "No such file `libksieve0_3.4.3-1_amd64.deb'." This is repeated for hundreds of files. I have tried several different mirrors and it is the same thing. Is this normal or is it going to take me forever to download? Or will the download fail bacause of all of these "No Such... |
| 19:27.15 | Red_Cloud | ...File" responses? |
| 19:27.24 | roby | Which env var controls the path to libs? |
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| 19:27.57 | loxley | BucWheat: xbase-clients |
| 19:28.15 | NOthsouth | what exactly this mean /?? Could not determine the server`s fuly qualified domain name, using 10.0.0.101 for servername |
| 19:28.26 | pipeline | NOthsouth: Means reverse DNS didn't work. Don't worry about it. |
| 19:28.29 | NOthsouth | what is wrong in hosts? |
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| 19:28.42 | NOthsouth | pipeline, but apache don`t start |
| 19:29.01 | stew | NOthsouth: that error isn't fatal, if apache isn't starting its probably due to somehting else, check the error.log |
| 19:29.13 | pipeline | NOthsouth: Then you need to read the documentation for Apache. You do not need a valid RDNS to get Apache up and running. |
| 19:29.44 | pipeline | NOthsouth: I will tell you, however, that some functions of Apache are going to be really, really, really broken if you use 10.0.0.101 for the servername directive and you expect internet users to contact it :P |
| 19:29.46 | cisse | NOthsouth: make sure there is an entry in /etc/hosts for your hostname eg. echo '127.0.0.1 `hostname1`' >> /etc/hosts |
| 19:29.58 | cisse | and set ServerName in your config |
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| 19:31.13 | pedy | hello |
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| 19:32.22 | nuskool | can anyone tell me a good video player package for etch? |
| 19:32.32 | pipeline | nuskool: totem-xine |
| 19:32.36 | dman13 | nullman, mplayer |
| 19:32.43 | aethera | anyone here been able to instal xcompmgr |
| 19:32.47 | aethera | in sarge? |
| 19:32.51 | dman13 | oops |
| 19:32.55 | dman13 | nuskool, mplayer |
| 19:34.04 | aethera | ? |
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| 19:35.11 | joloc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.35 | cisse | aethera: yes |
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| 19:36.58 | cisse | aethera: i used http://debian.linux-systeme.com sid main |
| 19:37.09 | stew | cisse: he said sarge |
| 19:37.19 | stew | aethera: it won't work in sarge, xcompmgr requires xorg |
| 19:37.25 | cisse | stew: heh oops |
| 19:37.27 | nuskool | dman13: I didn't think mplayer was in the package list for etch |
| 19:37.48 | aethera | stew: I have xorg |
| 19:37.50 | aethera | :) |
| 19:37.58 | stew | aethera: where did you install it from? |
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| 19:37.59 | aethera | on sarge |
| 19:38.05 | aethera | stew backports |
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| 19:38.18 | horza_ | what is a backport anyhow? |
| 19:38.23 | stew | horza_: /msg dpkg backport |
| 19:38.25 | horza_ | plz define :-/ |
| 19:38.26 | horza_ | k |
| 19:38.27 | aethera | ii xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-3 the X.Org X server |
| 19:38.33 | aethera | it works fine |
| 19:38.34 | aethera | :) |
| 19:38.51 | horza_ | thanks |
| 19:39.05 | aethera | but now I need the xcompmrg |
| 19:39.12 | aethera | and I can not find a back port for that |
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| 19:39.48 | stew | aethera: you could try to backport from the link that cisse gave above, don't try installing those pacakges directly |
| 19:39.52 | stew | aethera: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:40.09 | stew | aethera: realize that you are now in an unsupported configuration, however |
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| 19:40.29 | ScroogeMc | How can I modify the dpi value when starting X (via gdm or kdm)? |
| 19:40.31 | aethera | stew: no issues |
| 19:41.06 | aethera | I am doing a dist-upgrade atm |
| 19:41.08 | aethera | so yeah |
| 19:41.13 | aethera | I will try it abit later |
| 19:41.25 | aethera | that backpport the I used for xorg does not have xcompmrg |
| 19:41.33 | bucky | a dist-upgrade to what? |
| 19:41.33 | aethera | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.52 | horza_ | I'd much rather use Debian |
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| 19:42.57 | stew | horza_: what are you doing? debootstrap? install? |
| 19:42.59 | brainiac_ghost | i have seen the light |
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| 19:43.06 | horza_ | netinst |
| 19:43.07 | stew | ScroogeMc: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 19:43.11 | horza_ | and I've tried the CD installs |
| 19:43.24 | stew | horza_: which version of netinst? |
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| 19:43.49 | horza_ | every version of sarge I could get my greasy mitts on |
| 19:43.58 | ScroogeMc | stew: 100 seems to be default. wich is the maximum value? |
| 19:44.09 | stew | MoDaX: i dunno |
| 19:44.16 | stew | ScroogeMc: i dunno |
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| 19:44.31 | abrotman | brainiac_ghost: moved to fedora ? |
| 19:44.34 | horza_ | I've even tried etch too, stew |
| 19:44.39 | ScroogeMc | stew: Ok, thanks anyway! |
| 19:44.42 | brainiac_ghost | abrotman: no debian :P |
| 19:44.53 | abrotman | oh .. why? |
| 19:45.00 | stew | horza_: check http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer you also might check the debian-hppa and debian-boot mailing lists |
| 19:45.05 | brainiac_ghost | abrotman: server use |
| 19:45.06 | brainiac_ghost | :D |
| 19:45.24 | abrotman | what .. you want your servers to .. serve rather than compile ? |
| 19:45.31 | stew | horza_: if you already have a running linux you could try a (newer) debootstrap |
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| 19:45.54 | stew | yay, time for a bikeride |
| 19:45.59 | brainiac_ghost | abrotman: yeah |
| 19:46.00 | brainiac_ghost | :) |
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| 19:46.08 | abrotman | stew: it's nice out! |
| 19:46.11 | stew | yeah |
| 19:46.15 | nvz | I need to get some new parts for my bike to make it run better |
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| 19:46.16 | abrotman | stew: too bad im' stuck at work |
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| 19:46.29 | nvz | like everything not weilded on |
| 19:46.35 | stew | heh |
| 19:46.40 | horza_ | grrr... nothing about package installation failing |
| 19:46.53 | nvz | it goes.. its just a little rough |
| 19:47.01 | nvz | it cant cost that much its just a bike |
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| 19:47.32 | nvz | some new rims and tires would be a good start |
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| 19:49.35 | aethera | erm why is it bad to go from sarge -> etch / sid? |
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| 19:50.05 | kronoz | annma: i got a few errors during make |
| 19:50.06 | azeem | aethera: it is somewhat safe to go to testing |
| 19:50.09 | kronoz | annma: http://pastebin.com/530880 |
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| 19:50.15 | aethera | azeem: to sid? |
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| 19:50.30 | azeem | aethera: it is discouraged to go to sid unless you know how to fix your system yourself in case it breaks |
| 19:50.30 | aethera | azeem: you mind if I pm just for 5 seconds? |
| 19:50.35 | azeem | aethera: yes |
| 19:50.46 | azeem | I need to work now, sorry |
| 19:51.15 | capt-rogers | http://vger1.dyndns.org I got joomla installed on my server today. Then I added 3 voting poll questions. Superbowl 40, your favorite linux distribution, and your fav window manager. please goto my website and vote, so i can see that the voting system works...thanks |
| 19:51.32 | kronoz | oh sorry wrong channel :p |
| 19:52.01 | ronin | no thanks capt-rogers |
| 19:52.22 | bucky | capt-rogers, what is your favorite distribution... debian-knoppix ? |
| 19:52.25 | Daedalus_ | !tell capt-rogers about bad polls |
| 19:52.38 | Daedalus_ | !tell bucky about bad polls |
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| 19:52.50 | azeem | aethera: I think I just said you shouldn't pm me, because I am busy |
| 19:53.03 | aethera | 23:49 < azeem> aethera: yes |
| 19:53.09 | aethera | I did not see that |
| 19:53.14 | azeem | uhm |
| 19:53.14 | aethera | sorry |
| 19:53.14 | azeem | 20:44 < aethera> azeem: you mind if I pm just for 5 seconds? |
| 19:53.49 | azeem | aethera: you shouldn't pm people in here anyway |
| 19:54.02 | bucky | capt-rogers, woo hoo! guests doubled from 4 to 8 ! |
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| 19:54.37 | azeem | capt-rogers: please stop spamming this channel |
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| 19:55.14 | aethera | ok is there any docs on upgrading to etc? |
| 19:55.17 | aethera | etch |
| 19:55.17 | bucky | capt-rogers, how about a poll about who has the safer mines... the US or Canada ? |
| 19:55.19 | aethera | from sarge |
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| 19:55.32 | aethera | !sarge->etch |
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| 19:55.48 | ronin | bucky: safe mine? contradiction |
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| 19:56.30 | bucky | ronin, the canucks just rescued 72 today because they actually spend the money to put safety stations in the mine |
| 19:56.31 | abrotman | doesn't work in channel |
| 19:56.37 | abrotman | !tell aethera about sarge->etch |
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| 19:57.48 | kronoz | what command can i do that have the same effect as alt-ctrl-backspace |
| 19:58.22 | Gathond | kronoz: kill -9 PID (with the correct PID that is) |
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| 19:58.28 | riley | when you make a change to /boot/grub/menu.lst do you need to do a grub-install again? |
| 19:58.37 | kronoz | riley: no |
| 19:58.50 | Gathond | not sure whether the -9 should be there to achieve the exact same, but it will close X :) |
| 19:58.54 | azeem | unless you make it in one of the meta lines |
| 19:59.10 | rambo3 | kill |
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| 20:00.42 | drp2 | I'm gonna reinstall debian and I"m not sure if I wanna use testing or stable, which would you recommend |
| 20:01.01 | ronin | drp2: depends, why you reinstalling? |
| 20:01.41 | drp2 | ronin: because I have all kinds of broken dependencies due to having different distributions in my sources list |
| 20:02.11 | ronin | drp2: ya that could be a problem, personally i suggest stable its well rock stable on my desktop |
| 20:02.27 | ronin | drp2: and stop mixing and matching, *cough* backports |
| 20:02.40 | drp2 | ronin: but are the packages in testing more up to date |
| 20:02.48 | webwolf_27 | ronin, runs great on my notebook too |
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| 20:03.02 | ronin | drp2: true but do you NEED the latest or is it the urge to be on the edge? |
| 20:03.17 | drp2 | ronin: a little of both sometimes |
| 20:03.30 | azeem | drp2: there is backports.org, did you check that? |
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| 20:03.39 | drp2 | azeem: no |
| 20:03.53 | kronoz | I'm not sure how to find the pid sorry |
| 20:04.01 | cetch | exit |
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| 20:04.56 | sewi | is there a debian package of lastfmlinux or other program to listen the lastfm radio? |
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| 20:05.16 | valdyn | sewi: not in sarge |
| 20:05.24 | valdyn | sewi: a couple in sid |
| 20:05.39 | aethera | ok here goes |
| 20:05.42 | aethera | etch :) |
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| 20:05.50 | sewi | valdyn: I'm on sarge:( |
| 20:05.58 | aethera | testing = sarge? |
| 20:06.00 | aethera | err |
| 20:06.02 | aethera | sid or etch? |
| 20:06.07 | KerPlunk | What is lastrm? |
| 20:06.18 | raden | is there a cad program for linux ? |
| 20:06.19 | valdyn | KerPlunk: http://last.fm/ |
| 20:06.22 | Matt-H | aethera: etch = testing, sid = unstable |
| 20:06.23 | tummyacid | when i try to do screen -d -r <pid> my terminal freezes |
| 20:06.24 | KerPlunk | !tell aethera about sarge |
| 20:06.26 | tummyacid | anyone know why? |
| 20:06.27 | KerPlunk | !tell aethera about etch |
| 20:06.32 | tummyacid | it used to work fine |
| 20:06.32 | KerPlunk | !tell tummyacid about anyone |
| 20:06.33 | aethera | cool |
| 20:06.34 | aethera | :) |
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| 20:06.53 | valdyn | !info xmms-scrobbler sarge |
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| 20:07.12 | azeem | KerPlunk: he asked a question the before |
| 20:07.15 | azeem | +line |
| 20:07.16 | valdyn | !info mpdscribble sarge |
| 20:07.32 | azeem | valdyn: aren't those to transmit what you're playing to last.fm? |
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| 20:08.02 | tummyacid | i kind of have some important data on one of my screens and i would REALLY like to solve this freezing issue |
| 20:08.07 | valdyn | azeem: yea |
| 20:08.16 | tummyacid | preferably without killing the process |
| 20:08.27 | valdyn | sewi: im not sure you need anything special to only _listen_ to lastfm stuff |
| 20:08.30 | azeem | lastfm radio is something else I belive |
| 20:08.44 | valdyn | hmm |
| 20:08.46 | azeem | they advertise a player on their site |
| 20:08.54 | azeem | I didn't look into that, though |
| 20:09.13 | azeem | maybe you just need to pass an URL to your player, dunno |
| 20:09.15 | valdyn | azeem: yea, but you dont need specifically that player, i have no idea which format their stream is in though |
| 20:09.15 | tugrussel | i have a webserver rynning apache2 but recently it got infected by a virus i removed the viruss but nw the server is making connections to various websites using port 80 and stops apache as the port is busy netstat -plaunt shows tha PID as - what shouls i do? |
| 20:09.29 | ronin | infected by a virus? |
| 20:09.41 | tugrussel | yes |
| 20:09.51 | horza_ | as in linux? |
| 20:09.51 | azeem | tugrussel: which version of Windows? |
| 20:09.55 | tugrussel | yes |
| 20:09.57 | tugrussel | :P |
| 20:10.04 | epsilon | tugrussel: reinstall the box from scratch and don't copy anything you can't check manually |
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| 20:10.21 | mhall | hey, i'm trying to use mirrors mirrors.kernel.org and mirrors2.kernel.org and i can't seem to get any new package uploads into unstable or experimental? is my mirror t3h b0rk3d or are things just quiet a.t.m.? |
| 20:10.23 | tugrussel | no easy way ut? |
| 20:10.32 | epsilon | tugrussel: no |
| 20:10.44 | tummyacid | tugrussel try windows update linux version (sorry i couldnt help meself) |
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| 20:11.08 | mhall | *i can't seem to get any new package database updates for unstable or experimental* |
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| 20:11.15 | epsilon | tugrussel: your server is compromised and you even don't know how exactly |
| 20:11.16 | mhall | i phrase it extremely unclearly |
| 20:11.16 | sewi | valdyn: when I wanted to listen to the radio a pop-up window warn me that I must download lastfmlinux player |
| 20:11.35 | azeem | mhall: what is "atm"? |
| 20:11.41 | horza_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.41 | valdyn | sewi: hold on, im going to try their stream |
| 20:11.43 | azeem | mhall: for how many days is this going on? |
| 20:11.49 | epsilon | mhall: does your apt source have sid stuff? |
| 20:12.04 | mhall | azeem: at the moment, and for about 2-3 days |
| 20:12.12 | mhall | epsilon: yes, i run sid + experimental |
| 20:12.26 | azeem | mhall: did you try with another mirror? |
| 20:12.29 | horza_ | that's better than what I do. |
| 20:12.44 | mhall | azeem: yeah that what i was asking, if it seemed like maybe i should do it |
| 20:13.05 | mhall | azeem: i just didn't want to go on a bandwidth wastage spree if there was nothing apparently wrong |
| 20:13.08 | horza_ | I use ubuntu, debian, Libranet, and DSL repositories :-D |
| 20:13.16 | azeem | mhall: I am not aware of any breakage with the archive per se, so it is probably your mirror |
| 20:13.22 | mhall | azeem: the reason i'm asking is because i have got a problem with kmail |
| 20:13.32 | horza_ | all on one box :-D |
| 20:13.32 | azeem | horza_: good to know, so we don't need to support you if you got issues |
| 20:13.39 | mhall | azeem: it cannot find the imap ioslave, even though both kmail and the slave are installed |
| 20:13.43 | tiCo89 | is here someone with a little bit expirience about sysv-rc-bootsplash? |
| 20:13.50 | azeem | mhall: no idea about KDE, sorry |
| 20:14.30 | horza_ | well, it's my "see what I can do w/o screwing up the machine" box |
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| 20:14.31 | horza_ | I reinstall on it about 2x a month |
| 20:14.31 | horza_ | my main machine is a pure sarge box |
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| 20:14.31 | mhall | azeem: yeah i was hoping there might be an updated package, but the package desc. files were not playing nice. |
| 20:14.34 | DrCurl | Is there a java runtime in Debian? |
| 20:14.43 | azeem | mhall: try packages.qa.debian.org/<package> |
| 20:14.48 | azeem | it should show new packages |
| 20:14.50 | cisse | DrCurl: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:14.57 | azeem | (<package> is source package btw) |
| 20:15.01 | mhall | azeem: alright, thanks |
| 20:15.06 | tiCo89 | and the firstcaharcter too! |
| 20:15.13 | tiCo89 | e.g /n/ngircd.html |
| 20:15.16 | tiCo89 | right? |
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| 20:16.20 | mhall | azeem: i'm also going to poke around on BTS for a while |
| 20:16.29 | mike__ | The scripts in /etc/cron.daily are not being run on my Debian system... i know its a kinda weak question but how do i fix that? |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | it's a url! |
| 20:16.48 | abrotman | mhall: ask them to put fabre.debian.net back up |
| 20:16.55 | mhall | damn, it won't load right now |
| 20:17.00 | mhall | ah there it goes |
| 20:17.02 | mhall | wtf |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | azeem: do you know what happened to fabre.d.n ? |
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| 20:17.50 | DrCurl | thank you cisse |
| 20:18.04 | azeem | abrotman: no, never heard of it. What did that provide? |
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| 20:18.08 | aethera | mike__: what does the error log say? |
| 20:18.14 | abrotman | azeem: free text search of bugs.d.o |
| 20:18.19 | mike__ | aethera, what error log? :) |
| 20:18.21 | azeem | ah |
| 20:18.27 | mike__ | syslog? messages-log? dmesg? |
| 20:18.28 | aethera | thew cron error log |
| 20:18.34 | azeem | abrotman: that would really handy :) |
| 20:18.34 | horza_ | mike__: make sure your cron daemon is running for your run level. |
| 20:18.48 | abrotman | azeem: it was .. then it went away |
| 20:18.48 | mike__ | horza_, okay how do i check that? |
| 20:18.52 | mhall | shit, this error doesn't appear |
| 20:18.52 | azeem | abrotman: maybe they cut if off because it was causing too much load |
| 20:18.54 | mike__ | aethera, where do i find that |
| 20:19.00 | abrotman | azeem: it's possible |
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| 20:19.05 | mike__ | horza_, scripts in my crontab -e file are working |
| 20:19.13 | abrotman | (probably didn't help i advertised for it non-stop) .. |
| 20:19.15 | aethera | mike__: I am looing |
| 20:19.20 | aethera | syslog maybe |
| 20:19.24 | horza_ | hmmm.... |
| 20:19.38 | horza_ | so nothing in your daily directory is running? |
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| 20:20.03 | mike__ | aeddan, grepping syslog for cron only shows a couple of "Jan 30 08:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[10603]: (root) CMD ( run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" |
| 20:20.11 | mike__ | horza_, not as far as i can ser |
| 20:20.13 | mike__ | horza_, not as far as i can se* |
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| 20:20.52 | mike__ | what i have positivly confirmed not to work i my webalizer and my logrotation |
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| 20:21.27 | horza_ | mike__: try adding a script that writes a word to a file |
| 20:21.34 | horza_ | and throw that in your daily |
| 20:21.37 | mike__ | allready did that, nothing happends |
| 20:21.43 | horza_ | hmm... |
| 20:21.50 | horza_ | what about other cron directories? |
| 20:21.50 | mike__ | but i dont know the cron deamon in debian |
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| 20:21.59 | azeem | mike__: is your computer on all the time? |
| 20:22.03 | mike__ | i have used freebsd , gentoo and slack cron deamons |
| 20:22.09 | mike__ | azeem, yea its a server |
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| 20:22.43 | mike__ | not a "i just learned linux"-server ... but a real one...with users, critical applications running on a 2gbit line :) |
| 20:22.47 | SimonRaven | 'daemon' |
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| 20:23.18 | cire | Where may I get an old 2.4.25 debian kernel-source? |
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| 20:23.38 | horza_ | cire: eek |
| 20:23.51 | horza_ | cire: try checking old versions of debian |
| 20:23.59 | horza_ | and look on their source discs |
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| 20:24.08 | cire | okay |
| 20:24.31 | horza_ | if you can find old repositories, those would be even better |
| 20:24.42 | valdyn | sewi: maybe you should just use their client, at least sid's quodlibet or rhythmbox aren't 'working' for me |
| 20:24.51 | chaedaeX | is there any sizeable penatly having a kernel with support for 4 CPU's running on one with only 2? |
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| 20:25.05 | horza_ | no idea |
| 20:25.13 | cisse | chaedaeX: probably not |
| 20:25.18 | mike__ | Are /etc/cron.daily supposed to work? |
| 20:26.01 | mike__ | i addede the scripts i needed to run to root's `crontab -e` file , but i thinks its kinda redundant if the cron.daily dirs should work |
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| 20:26.30 | chaedaeX | anyone know about the "optimize for size" option? |
| 20:26.35 | SerajewelKS | mike__: no, they don't work. debian just has them there to add extra space to your install. actually nothing on debian works. |
| 20:26.50 | SerajewelKS | mike__: the fact that your system is running is an illusion. |
| 20:26.50 | chaedaeX | default for "optimize for size" is Y |
| 20:26.54 | amee2k | k, next try. what can i give exim as listen address to make it listening on all interfaces? |
| 20:26.57 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, okay :) |
| 20:27.01 | SerajewelKS | amee2k: 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:27.10 | sewi | valdyn: I've downloaded their LastFmLinux.tar.bz2 player but then it gives Segmentation faul:( |
| 20:27.28 | SerajewelKS | amee2k: something about that question reminds me of the Chronicles of George ;) |
| 20:27.32 | SerajewelKS | "make it listening" |
| 20:27.58 | SerajewelKS | mike__: </sarcasm> of course it works |
| 20:28.23 | hid3 | Hello. Could anyone tell me please where (in kernel menuconfig) can I find an option to enable cpu Cool'n Quiet? |
| 20:28.29 | amee2k | SerajewelKS: don't know Chronicles of George |
| 20:28.39 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, yea i guessed so i just dont understand why it dosnt? I tried two newly installed debians where it dosnt work |
| 20:28.48 | SerajewelKS | amee2k: it's probably better that way... otherwise you'd be offended =) |
| 20:28.52 | mike__ | do i have to activate an initscript or something to get it to work? |
| 20:29.06 | SerajewelKS | mike__: if cron and/or anacron are installed it will "work" |
| 20:29.10 | drewed | is there a way (that works) to lower the font size in KDE? i can't get the menubar or general font sizes to change |
| 20:29.16 | SerajewelKS | mike__: and if you haven't fscked with /etc/crontab |
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| 20:29.27 | SimonRaven | !big fonts |
| 20:29.28 | dpkg | it has been said that big fonts is put 75dpi fonts before 100dpi fonts in your font path (use 'xset fp ...' or check /etc/X11/XF86Config* or /etc/X11/fs/config or /etc/fs-xtt/config) |
| 20:29.33 | mike__ | i only edited it with crontab -e |
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| 20:29.41 | SimonRaven | drewed: ^^^^ |
| 20:29.51 | SerajewelKS | mike__: right, that doesn't go in /etc/crontab, that goes in /var/spool/cron or something similar |
| 20:29.54 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, anacron is not installed, should i try to insall that |
| 20:30.01 | aethera | 1327 frames in 5.0 seconds = 265.338 FPS |
| 20:30.08 | aethera | that that look like dri is working? |
| 20:30.12 | horza_ | mike: what version? sid etch or sarge? |
| 20:30.18 | mhall | alright has anybody gotten kmail 3.5 working with IMAP? because it's broken for me, i suspect some dependency of the imap ioslave is missing or something |
| 20:30.23 | SerajewelKS | mike__: cron should be enough. you only need anacron if the system is powered down routinely. |
| 20:30.32 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, oh yea..its that...the /etc/crontab refers to /usr/sbin/anacron, wich isnt there |
| 20:30.34 | mike__ | horza_, stable |
| 20:30.40 | aethera | how does one see if dri is working? |
| 20:30.47 | SerajewelKS | mike__: you shouldn't need anacron though |
| 20:30.49 | mike__ | i m not into the debian names :) |
| 20:30.57 | SimonRaven | mike__: that's why it's a || |
| 20:31.02 | sewi | valdyn: I thing the lastfm player needs qt4 library according to the web site |
| 20:31.03 | horza_ | stable, got it... hmm... |
| 20:31.04 | aethera | direct rendering: No |
| 20:31.07 | harleyg | http://linuxlabs.co.uk |
| 20:31.09 | SerajewelKS | mike__: it only calls anacron to tell anacron "hey, i ran this batch so don't run it for a while please" |
| 20:31.09 | aethera | wtf? |
| 20:31.10 | mike__ | SimonRaven, ohh :/ |
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| 20:31.27 | SimonRaven | mhall: yes |
| 20:31.35 | aethera | why would it be disabled |
| 20:31.41 | SerajewelKS | mike__: otherwise cron and anacron would run the same batch of stuff. anacron is there for when the system loses power during cron's scheduled times. |
| 20:31.45 | mike__ | i just find it weird that it dosnt work out of the box for me when it does for everybody else |
| 20:31.54 | SerajewelKS | mike__: do you power this box off at night? |
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| 20:32.04 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, no its in a datacenter |
| 20:32.09 | SerajewelKS | mike__: then it will work |
| 20:32.21 | SerajewelKS | mike__: logrotate and other crap are in .weekly i think, and they'd better be working. |
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| 20:32.34 | drewed | SimonRaven, is dpkg saying big fonts is caused by having 75dpi fonts before 100dpi fonts in those files? or is it the other way around? |
| 20:32.34 | horza_ | mike: have you power cycled since installation? |
| 20:32.41 | mike__ | stuff i put in cron.daily isnt runned daily |
| 20:32.42 | mike__ | horza_, no |
| 20:32.43 | SerajewelKS | mike__: at the front of your script, do something like 'touch /tmp/i-ran' |
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| 20:32.51 | PupenoL | Is there anyone working on a package of asterisk-1.2.3 (updating the package of asterisk 1.2.1) for unstable ? |
| 20:32.54 | SerajewelKS | mike__: make sure the script is chmod +x |
| 20:32.56 | horza_ | I'd say try a "init 2" |
| 20:32.59 | SimonRaven | drewed: no, the bot is saying how to fix 'big fonts' |
| 20:32.59 | aethera | erm |
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| 20:33.02 | SerajewelKS | mike__: then check /tmp in the morning and see if 'i-ran' is in there |
| 20:33.06 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, tried that to |
| 20:33.10 | horza_ | init 0* |
| 20:33.14 | aethera | what is the tag for the xorg.conf to enable direct rendering? |
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| 20:33.21 | SerajewelKS | mike__: checked cron's log? |
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| 20:33.37 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, i checked syslog, dont know where to find cron's own logs? |
| 20:33.54 | horza_ | well, try a init 6, if that doesn't work init 0 and power her back on |
| 20:33.55 | mhall | SimonRaven: any ideas what i might try |
| 20:33.56 | aethera | Load "dri" |
| 20:34.00 | aethera | but |
| 20:34.08 | SerajewelKS | hrm, cron doesn't keep a log?! |
| 20:34.16 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, not that i can find |
| 20:34.19 | aethera | direct rendering: No |
| 20:34.38 | mike__ | find /var/log | grep cron , dosnt give me anything |
| 20:34.43 | SerajewelKS | mike__: me neither |
| 20:34.52 | SerajewelKS | mike__: i doubt that it's not working, really |
| 20:35.09 | mike__ | first i thought i screwed something up on my first system |
| 20:35.12 | horza_ | ya, I did what mike did, and my Ubuntu install doesn't have a log for cron either |
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| 20:35.21 | mike__ | but this is my third debian install where it dosnt work |
| 20:35.22 | SerajewelKS | mike__: there is a *lot* of stuff in my .daily and it all gets run. are you sure the script was chmod +x? |
| 20:35.32 | horza_ | let me check my sid server |
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| 20:35.53 | mike__ | all files are owned by root and are -rwxr-x-r-x |
| 20:36.07 | SerajewelKS | mike__: is this in /etc/crontab? 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 20:36.10 | mike__ | except for one but that isnt supposed to be runned |
| 20:36.24 | SerajewelKS | mike__: and have you let the system run past 6:25AM before checking? |
| 20:36.27 | mike__ | web02:/etc/cron.daily# cat /etc/crontab | grep daily |
| 20:36.27 | mike__ | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 20:36.32 | borgqueen | Hey people. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for ftp server setup? I'm trying to setup a ftp access for all the computers in the house to back to the Linux box. |
| 20:36.32 | mike__ | Like this? |
| 20:36.42 | SerajewelKS | mike__: right, and you sure that /usr/sbin/anacron doesn't exist? |
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| 20:36.50 | aethera | q[Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. |
| 20:36.51 | horza_ | /var/log doesn't contain any cron logs on either of my currently running debian based boxen |
| 20:36.52 | BxL | sorry |
| 20:36.52 | borgqueen | I can access them but they can't save or upload to the nix box |
| 20:36.54 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, jep |
| 20:37.01 | aethera | is what the ATI driver tells me when I try to install |
| 20:37.04 | SerajewelKS | mike__: then it's working.. it has to be |
| 20:37.09 | SerajewelKS | mike__: unless cron isn't running |
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| 20:37.19 | horza_ | Borg^Queen: what ftp server are you using? |
| 20:37.19 | SerajewelKS | mike__: pgrep cron #? |
| 20:37.25 | mike__ | /usr/sbin/cron is running |
| 20:37.34 | Borg^Queen | pure-ftpd |
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| 20:37.52 | SerajewelKS | mike__: then it has to be running. only thing i can think of is that the script is borked. |
| 20:37.55 | horza_ | I use pro-ftpd, I think |
| 20:38.02 | horza_ | try pro-ftpd |
| 20:38.02 | SerajewelKS | mike__: obviously try running the script manually and verify that it works. |
| 20:38.05 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, when i run the script from commandline it works |
| 20:38.10 | SerajewelKS | mike__: dog |
| 20:38.11 | SimonRaven | mhall: the kio-network-plugins package or whatever it's called |
| 20:38.13 | mike__ | lol..two soles one thought :) |
| 20:38.14 | SerajewelKS | mike__: doh* |
| 20:38.21 | mike__ | soules* |
| 20:38.27 | mhall | SimonRaven: i got kdebase-kio-plugins that claims it supports imap |
| 20:38.28 | Borg^Queen | horza_: I'll use what ever works lol |
| 20:38.28 | SerajewelKS | mike__: souls* ;) |
| 20:38.34 | mhall | SimonRaven: is the deps fucked up? |
| 20:38.37 | aethera | hmmmmmm |
| 20:38.37 | mike__ | yea whatever :P |
| 20:38.44 | aethera | I think this driver is broke |
| 20:38.48 | SerajewelKS | mike__: sorry, don't know what to tell you. by rights it should be working. |
| 20:38.58 | SerajewelKS | mike__: it has the leading #!/bin/sh right? |
| 20:39.12 | mike__ | im gonna try to add another one with a time > /tmp/crontest |
| 20:39.14 | mike__ | or something |
| 20:39.14 | Peterken | Hello all, I'm trying to get my microphone working. When i blow into my microphone, i hear myself true the speakers, but when i'm trying to get sound via a program depending on arts, there is never any sound. Can somebody help me? (i put my sound settings to full duplex) |
| 20:39.16 | mike__ | yea it is |
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| 20:39.18 | Rawplayer | how can i read my swap memory? |
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| 20:39.25 | SerajewelKS | mike__: well i'm stumped.. good luck with it =/ |
| 20:39.27 | Rawplayer | and see whats inside my swap memory |
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| 20:39.33 | mike__ | SerajewelKS, thanks for the efford |
| 20:39.56 | SerajewelKS | mike__: np |
| 20:39.58 | aethera | [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. |
| 20:40.02 | SimonRaven | mhall: there's some other thing ... i just fetch the *kio* stuff i think i'll need usually and it works out |
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| 20:40.13 | aethera | why would I get something like that when installing the ATI display driver? |
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| 20:40.20 | SerajewelKS | Rawplayer: run 'swapon -s', look for the /dev/* that's used for swap, then do 'xxd /dev/foo | less' |
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| 20:40.27 | chaedaeX | is PCI-X the same as PCI Express? |
| 20:40.31 | SerajewelKS | Rawplayer: you need root, obviously |
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| 20:40.44 | c-linux | instalei meu debian mas o submenu " Menu Debian" nao aparece, o que faco? |
| 20:40.45 | mhall | SimonRaven: yeah i got all the kio shit |
| 20:40.53 | mhall | SimonRaven: it's reall stupid this doesn't work by default |
| 20:41.01 | SerajewelKS | Rawplayer: note that the swap will probably by changing while you're reading it, so your view will be inconsistent |
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| 20:41.53 | SimonRaven | mhall: does here. what's happening exactly? |
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| 20:42.26 | mhall | SimonRaven: alright, let me paste |
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| 20:42.48 | JW | When looking through apt-cache and you see a package marked as "Transitional", what does that mean? |
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| 20:43.12 | horza_ | JW: I believe that means it's making it's way from unstable to testing |
| 20:43.17 | mhall | SimonRaven: Could not start process for imap. in dialog + ... |
| 20:43.28 | mhall | SimonRaven: kmail: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave: |
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| 20:43.36 | mhall | SimonRaven: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'imap'. |
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| 20:43.43 | mhall | SimonRaven: second two in CLI |
| 20:43.54 | DragonD | Me and my friends are looking for a server for sharing files and instant messaging. any suggestions? |
| 20:44.07 | SimonRaven | NFC, try #debian-kde |
| 20:44.20 | JW | DragonD: try Jabber |
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| 20:44.30 | aethera | SimonRaven: any idea on my issue? |
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| 20:44.59 | mhall | SimonRaven: alright i found the problem in the package desc. text |
| 20:45.04 | mhall | !mhall |
| 20:45.04 | dpkg | it has been said that mhall is 10:37 < mhall> jm_: i'm an idiot; i did eval 'lesspipe' not eval `lesspipe` |
| 20:45.07 | horza_ | DragonD: private IRC server and sftp |
| 20:45.10 | garo | How should i install vmware player on sarge ? |
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| 20:45.19 | mhall | SimonRaven: if only tarzeau were here to memorialize my stupidity... |
| 20:45.21 | SerajewelKS | garo: use their installer |
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| 20:45.31 | mhall | SimonRaven: "You need to install kdepim-kio-plugins if you want to use IMAP" |
| 20:45.33 | nik | hello |
| 20:45.33 | SerajewelKS | garo: afaik there's no "debian way" to install vmware |
| 20:45.39 | SimonRaven | mhall: ok |
| 20:45.42 | garo | k, thanks |
| 20:45.50 | horza_ | what does afaik mean? |
| 20:45.51 | DomiX | yo, when I use a partition with quota enabled, after each time I use edquota do I need to execute quotacheck ? |
| 20:45.54 | mhall | SimonRaven: though, to my credit, pim makes you think of palm syncing toolkits |
| 20:45.56 | SerajewelKS | !afaik |
| 20:45.56 | dpkg | i guess afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 20:45.57 | beardy | !afaik |
| 20:45.58 | aethera | 1afail |
| 20:46.00 | aethera | arg |
| 20:46.02 | aethera | lol |
| 20:46.10 | valdyn | dpkg, lastfm is a Data Mining/'Spyware' site, offering various music related services in exchange for users listening habbits. |
| 20:46.10 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 20:46.18 | nik | "binfmt-support" - how to find out wheter my system needs this? |
| 20:46.21 | mhall | !tell aethera about return |
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| 20:46.44 | balo1 | Ok, here I am... tired of Ubuntu, Knoppix, Kanotix and all the like... Installed pure debian sid from the netinst-CD. Somebody point me to the essential reading for Debian-configuration (like getting nvidida to work with 2.6.15 kernel, installing the kernel headers ....), plz? |
| 20:46.56 | SerajewelKS | garo: though vmware does require a good gcc environment. i had some trouble installing it on etch but eventually i figured it out. |
| 20:47.00 | insomnd | hi. stupid question, but which release is more stable, testing or ubuntu breezy? |
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| 20:47.06 | SerajewelKS | garo: though i don't remember what i did. i think i needed a patch. |
| 20:47.13 | beardy | balo1: Why aren't you running sarge? |
| 20:47.20 | abrotman | insomnd: breezy isn't debian |
| 20:47.22 | valdyn | dpkg, lastfm =~ s/exchange/exchange and based on/ |
| 20:47.22 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 20:47.26 | SerajewelKS | insomnd: how should we know |
| 20:47.27 | horza_ | insomnd: I'd personally use sarge if i needed stable |
| 20:47.38 | abrotman | i don't think he means Debian/Stable |
| 20:47.53 | SerajewelKS | insomnd: i use testing, it's fairly stable right now. i've never used breezy so ask #ubuntu. |
| 20:47.53 | horza_ | thats my point |
| 20:47.58 | balo1 | I got used to all the sid-stuff (was running kanotix before -> but hating KDE nox :-)) |
| 20:47.59 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. he meant debian/testing or breezy |
| 20:48.01 | insomnd | abrotman: i was speaking in general |
| 20:48.09 | abrotman | insomnd: well .. most of us don't use ubuntu |
| 20:48.13 | agri | hya.... is there a way to stop konqueror looking in my CD ? |
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| 20:48.20 | horza_ | I only have one system running ubuntu |
| 20:48.22 | abrotman | agri: take the CD out of the drive |
| 20:48.26 | SerajewelKS | agri: don't double-click your CD drive |
| 20:48.30 | horza_ | and I prefer sarge over 5.10 |
| 20:49.03 | abrotman | insomnd: i use etch/testing at home on my laptop .. it's mostly fine |
| 20:49.05 | SerajewelKS | starfishy: kubuntu is nice as a livecd for recovery, imo |
| 20:49.10 | horza_ | 's/not/is not/' |
| 20:49.12 | balo1 | <- agrees with starfishy |
| 20:49.14 | insomnd | SerajewelKS: well, im trying ubuntu 6.04, and its very unstable, and i wanted to compare it to debian testing to see if they both are both at the same time scale |
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| 20:49.30 | SerajewelKS | insomnd: they're never at the same time scale, they are different projects |
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| 20:49.46 | horza_ | debian testing will definately be more stable, but time scale is something you can't compare between distros |
| 20:49.50 | SerajewelKS | insomnd: like comparing linux to freebsd. we don't have much of a relation and generally don't care about each other. |
| 20:50.04 | insomnd | because the stable version of ubuntu is apparently based on debian unstable... |
| 20:50.11 | horza_ | ya, neither of us are windows, and that's enough for us |
| 20:50.13 | insomnd | ok.. point taken |
| 20:50.15 | SerajewelKS | insomnd: however i find testing stable enough to use on my desktop. i use stable on my servers, though. |
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| 20:50.31 | insomnd | ok |
| 20:50.46 | SerajewelKS | insomnd: for a desktop, use testing; for a server, use stable |
| 20:50.53 | SimonRaven | Young Bird - Beginner's Luck |
| 20:50.55 | insomnd | thanks :) |
| 20:51.28 | Silent_al | hi :) what can i do about choppy sound in games ? using alsa version 1.0.10-3\Etch 2.6.10 |
| 20:51.37 | horza_ | Linux zealots use Debian. Linux zealot's girlfriends use ubuntu |
| 20:51.40 | mhall | SimonRaven: yeah sweet it's working now, thanks for the hints, couldn't have figured it out otherwise |
| 20:51.48 | beardy | Silent_al: Define "choppy" and "games". |
| 20:51.53 | SimonRaven | mhall: np |
| 20:52.13 | beardy | horza_: There are few Ubuntu users in other words then? |
| 20:52.27 | horza_ | I suppose, but my gf uses it :-P |
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| 20:52.28 | SerajewelKS | beardy: haha |
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| 20:52.39 | mhall | beardy: note he didn't say *all* ubuntu users were GFs |
| 20:52.45 | balo1 | Who's the bot in here? Somebody tell the bot to point me to the essential faq? (Problem is, there are so many debian-faqs on the net, i don't know what to read first...) |
| 20:52.48 | agri | just clicking on the "home" icon i get my home folder opening and (and this is the sucky part) on the left panel the "Audio CD browser" starts animating and i start getting messages on devices I don't have; every now and then the whole system freezes for a while |
| 20:52.52 | mhall | beardy: just that GFs are ubuntu users |
| 20:52.59 | valdyn | balo1: /topic |
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| 20:53.10 | agri | dmesg tells me a lot of probes are being done on the CD... no way to turn it off ? |
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| 20:53.44 | nik | how to remove "ppp" without to remove kdenetwork? |
| 20:53.51 | Silent_al | beardy, basically , all games that uses 3D-accelleration ( ppracer ,etc..). the in game sound is not smooth(kinda breaks.. dunno how to describe it-choppy?) |
| 20:54.01 | SerajewelKS | nik: kdenetwork is a meta-package. it's safe to remove. |
| 20:54.33 | golya | Hi! Anyone can tell me a bandwidth limiter, which can happyly run with bittornado? |
| 20:54.43 | beardy | Silent_al: Do you have a not-so-good soundcard, which relies on a sound daemon? |
| 20:54.45 | golya | I need global upload limiting |
| 20:54.52 | biohazrd | QoS |
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| 20:55.04 | nik | SerajewelKS, so the other things, which this metapackage include, will not be removed? |
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| 20:56.17 | Silent_al | beardy,yes, its esoniq1701, kinda old , how can i know if it relies on a sound daemon or not?(rcconf?) |
| 20:56.22 | agri | ok... now I just experienced a frees, and after it (it was about 10 seconds without even the mouse cursor moving) the CD icon is now changed |
| 20:56.31 | agri | s/frees/freeze/ |
| 20:56.56 | Silent_al | Ensoniq* |
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| 20:58.19 | beardy | Silent_al: Are you running KDE? |
| 20:58.25 | Silent_al | Xfce |
| 20:58.58 | beardy | Silent_al: Ok. See if you have artsd, or esound (don't know the process name..) running. |
| 20:59.08 | tarzeau | !mhall |
| 20:59.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, mhall is 10:37 < mhall> jm_: i'm an idiot; i did eval 'lesspipe' not eval `lesspipe` |
| 20:59.11 | tarzeau | mhall: heh :) |
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| 20:59.35 | Silent_al | beardy, k i'll check it out |
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| 21:02.18 | madclicker | does anyone has fglrx working with etch? |
| 21:02.56 | agri | i've also a little less annoying problem. when shutting down the system does everything but stops at the message "power down" without actually turning off the computer. any pointer ? i'm using sarge |
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| 21:03.09 | Silent_al | beardy, non of the above is running . |
| 21:03.19 | Silent_al | none* |
| 21:03.21 | beardy | agri: Press the button. |
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| 21:03.39 | agri | ahhhhhhhhhh the button! that's it! |
| 21:03.44 | beardy | Silent_al: Ok, there may be other sound daemons, but you are probably not running one then. |
| 21:03.59 | agri | i used to chop the power cord |
| 21:04.11 | beardy | agri: That works too. |
| 21:04.12 | cisse | agri: modprobe apm before you shutdown |
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| 21:04.37 | can| | agri: add acpi=force to the kernel arguments in lilo/grub config |
| 21:04.43 | kryzantem | Hello everyone |
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| 21:05.03 | kryzantem | Does anyone know how to install an old pci 56k modem on woody |
| 21:05.04 | kryzantem | ? |
| 21:05.05 | kryzantem | thanx |
| 21:05.06 | epi | hie |
| 21:05.21 | beardy | kryzantem: If it's a real modem, just put it in and use it. |
| 21:05.31 | agri | i'm going to try... thanx for now |
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| 21:05.41 | beardy | kryzantem: By real I mean, not a winmodem. |
| 21:06.04 | beardy | kryzantem: Why are you running woody though? |
| 21:06.41 | kryzantem | It s an old computer |
| 21:06.49 | kryzantem | It was just for testing purpose |
| 21:07.04 | kryzantem | I installed it because I had it nearby |
| 21:07.10 | beardy | kryzantem: Ok. |
| 21:07.13 | kryzantem | otherwise I would have installed sarge |
| 21:07.24 | kryzantem | but I don t know |
| 21:07.30 | kryzantem | where it is in te devices |
| 21:07.47 | kryzantem | I mean |
| 21:07.52 | kryzantem | I got thje irq number |
| 21:08.11 | kryzantem | but I don t know with /devb/ttyS* it is linked to? |
| 21:08.21 | kryzantem | do you know how I could find it ou? |
| 21:08.29 | beardy | kryzantem: Depends on how many serialports your box have. It might be /dev/ttyS2, if your box has two serialports, the modem will then be the third serialport. |
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| 21:09.21 | kryzantem | ah oki |
| 21:09.23 | kryzantem | thx |
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| 21:09.53 | kryzantem | So there isn t a way to determine wether it s on port 1 2 r 3 |
| 21:09.55 | kryzantem | ? |
| 21:10.31 | kryzantem | Thanx anyway I ll go and try it out right now |
| 21:10.52 | beardy | kryzantem: No other method than logic thinking and trial and error I guess, there might be some "probing" program, but I don't know of any. |
| 21:11.23 | kryzantem | okay thx a lot |
| 21:11.26 | kryzantem | ++ |
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| 21:12.14 | beardy | kryzantem: You can check what lspci says about it, but I don't think it willhelp you determine which device node it is though.. |
| 21:12.30 | beardy | krokas: You're welcome. |
| 21:12.35 | Silent_al | beardy . thanx man . do u think starting games with artsdsp <game-name> could help? |
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| 21:13.37 | beardy | Silent_al: Probably not, I meant that if you had run a sound daemon, that could have been the cause of the choppy sound, I doubt actuallry running one will make it better, but you could try if you want I guess. |
| 21:13.40 | aethera | how can one speed up apt-spy? |
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| 21:14.59 | beardy | Silent_al: You could try to ask in #alsa, and see if they have some advice that may help you. |
| 21:15.05 | Silent_al | beardy, thanx again , u helped me alot :) |
| 21:15.21 | Silent_al | will try |
| 21:15.23 | soundsoldier | hello all, I've run into a problem with apt-get regarding kde. I tried to install k3b and it complained about dependencies that it wont install. also gave the error "E: broken package." now it looks like most of my kde binaries have dissapeared. What can I try to re-install the kde base packages or perhaps repair the broken packages |
| 21:15.36 | beardy | Silent_al: No problem :). Good luck. |
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| 21:16.07 | aethera | apt-spy rocks |
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| 21:16.26 | Joseph | hello !! |
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| 21:16.58 | aethera | errr |
| 21:16.59 | aethera | lol |
| 21:17.22 | Diana | Anyone have a good guide for vi newbies... I can edit a document in vi fine, opening/editing files, saving them etc...but I don't know how to do anything else that is _functional_ |
| 21:17.25 | Diana | I want a guide that shows me examples of stuff I can do in vi, and why it's more powerful then say nano/pico./ |
| 21:17.52 | dman13 | woohoo! I can sync my phone's contact list over bluetooth! |
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| 21:18.53 | horza_ | mhall cought me Diana, be awesome, use grep, sed, and awk to edit all of your files :-P |
| 21:19.05 | horza_ | ignore that |
| 21:19.07 | cisse | hrm i want to install debian on a machine w/o a monitor port, only a serial, is it easy to connect to the install program through the serial port ? |
| 21:19.12 | horza_ | Diana, be awesome, use grep, sed, and awk to edit all of your files :-P |
| 21:19.22 | horza_ | cisse, it's possible, but a pain |
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| 21:19.43 | cisse | so much of a pain i should just drop the disks in another box ? |
| 21:19.48 | horza_ | hmm |
| 21:19.50 | can| | KerPlunk, try wimtutor program |
| 21:19.57 | horza_ | what platform are you installing on? |
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| 21:21.01 | pngwn | Diana, start with man vi ;) |
| 21:21.35 | starfishy | can: that would be vimtutor, not wimtutor |
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| 21:21.52 | KerPlunk | thanks can| |
| 21:22.09 | xdaff139 | hi all, i have problem with installation of Etch... Installer tries to install all selected packages and there is no problem, but then I select choices like File Server, Desktop and something like that (it should be some prepared bundles of packages) and then installer hangs on installing 1 package of 2... And nothing happens. After restart Debian start to X and I can log in Gnome and everything seems ok, but when I try to istall some package, |
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| 21:23.01 | nk__ | is there support for suspend-to-disk in debian linux? |
| 21:23.07 | FliesLikeALap | there is a process i need to kill so that i can unmount a drive, but i can't kill it and kil -9 doesn't work either... what should i do? |
| 21:23.09 | can| | starfishy, KerPlunk thats right vimtutor sorry for typo |
| 21:23.35 | can| | a very bad one indeed : ) |
| 21:23.36 | starfishy | well, vi, not vim |
| 21:23.40 | starfishy | but same difference |
| 21:23.43 | dondelelcaro | nk__: yes, suspsend is in the kernel, and the suspend2 patch is packaged as well. |
| 21:23.58 | horza_ | flies: if this is the only time you're gonna have the problem, comment out the entry in fstab, and init 6 |
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| 21:24.22 | zumbi | how do you unload a module? |
| 21:24.33 | sylvisj | Hey, whats the cat /proc/<blah> for finding out info on my keyboard? |
| 21:24.36 | sylvisj | zumbi: modprobe -r |
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| 21:24.50 | annoia | I have a problem that some GTK-apps run painfully slow, ie. XMMS. That is, when I try to browse for files it takes more than a second for it to construct the dialog (and then I can browse fast enough). This happened after an upgrade of X.org... In 64bit linux on the same machine the problem is not there! 3500+ Athlon64, Nvidia 7800GT... Can I do anything to remedy this? |
| 21:25.20 | streuner | suspend2 in experimental |
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| 21:25.51 | horza_ | annoia: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:26.00 | annoia | horza_ - Oops, Unstable |
| 21:26.18 | horza_ | is the 64 bit also unstable? |
| 21:26.20 | annoia | Yes |
| 21:26.27 | horza_ | installation* |
| 21:26.28 | xdaff139 | hi all, i have problem with installation of Etch... Installer tries to install all selected packages and there is no problem, but then I select choices like File Server, Desktop and something like that (it should be some prepared bundles of packages) and then installer hangs on installing 1 package of 2... And nothing happens. After restart Debian start to X and I can log in Gnome and everything seems ok, but when I try to istall some package, |
| 21:26.29 | horza_ | hmm |
| 21:26.29 | annoia | X: 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
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| 21:26.46 | reind | I'm getting the "install these packages without verification" error. I remember there was an easy fix for this, anyone know what it was? |
| 21:26.49 | horza_ | have you tried apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:27.02 | annoia | horza_ - On a daily basis :) |
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| 21:27.08 | nmorse | Ok, so Lilo won't boot my Windows 2000 installation. I can't install lilo or grub off of the netinstall disk without it attempting to install the base system again over my upgraded packages. |
| 21:27.10 | horza_ | lol, so much for that |
| 21:27.20 | nmorse | Anyone have any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 21:27.29 | zinosat | can anybody tell me the difference between stelnet and ssh? |
| 21:27.30 | horza_ | nmorse, try dpkg-reconfigure lilo? |
| 21:27.32 | KerPlunk | reind: What version of debian and what mirror is giving you that error? |
| 21:27.48 | reind | KerPlunk 3.1 and every mirror ive tried |
| 21:27.50 | horza_ | zinosat: about 3 letters |
| 21:28.08 | reind | KerPlunk this only started happening in 2006 |
| 21:28.08 | KerPlunk | nmorse: Just pop in a live cd(knoppix maybe), and type grub-install |
| 21:28.23 | KerPlunk | reind: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 21:28.33 | KerPlunk | !tell reind about msgdpkg |
| 21:28.36 | zinosat | horza_, :) only that? |
| 21:28.46 | reind | KerPlunk thanks |
| 21:28.48 | nmorse | I have yet to find a live cd that will allow grub-install to work. |
| 21:29.02 | amee2k | i configure exim with smarthost, how can i get it to authenticate against the smarthost? |
| 21:29.16 | cisse | nmorse: knoppix, or you can download a grub iso that will install itself |
| 21:29.18 | starfishy | you want to chroot before typing grub-install |
| 21:29.24 | annoia | horza_ - Hmmmm... Just tried to make a new user and open xmms with him (On a new X session).. No problems |
| 21:29.25 | KerPlunk | nmorse: knoppix works for me(every version_ you need to be root. |
| 21:29.25 | nmorse | I know about chroot. |
| 21:29.27 | annoia | Weird! |
| 21:29.46 | balo1 | I'm stunned! This m-a is great! If i had known how easy debian can be, i'd never wasted so much time with the copy-cats... |
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| 21:29.55 | horza_ | annoia: try to remove the xmms start up script from your home dir |
| 21:29.58 | KerPlunk | starfishy: You don't have to chroot anything it works either way. you just have to specify commands with no chroot, like where /boot is etc |
| 21:30.18 | KerPlunk | balo1: The copy cats have m-a also. |
| 21:30.19 | mirak | if I do a dist-upgrade inside a chrooted environnement, will the restarting of services mess the current system ? |
| 21:30.20 | annoia | horza_ - Just removed ~/.xmms |
| 21:30.23 | annoia | horza_ - Same thing |
| 21:30.27 | horza_ | odd.. |
| 21:30.28 | KerPlunk | mirak: no |
| 21:30.37 | horza_ | find anything having to do w/ X or xmms |
| 21:30.44 | mirak | kerneld_: should I mount /proc ? |
| 21:31.08 | xdaff139 | When I try to istall some package, there is error -- /var/cache/debconf/config.dat file is used by another process, but when I try fuser on that file, I can't see any process... Has anybody seen this error? |
| 21:31.13 | starfishy | kerplunk: you are correct, but if you only type grub-install without being chrooted it will fail |
| 21:31.15 | balo1 | KerPlunk: but they do not advertise it! (For the distro-master needs the credit on his own, i guess :-) ) |
| 21:31.21 | starfishy | which is what i was talking about |
| 21:31.30 | KerPlunk | starfishy: yes |
| 21:31.57 | Xenguy | 3/A |
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| 21:32.13 | Xenguy | oops |
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| 21:32.21 | annoia | horza_ - Runs much faster if I remove my gtk-theme... |
| 21:32.26 | mirak | KerPlunk: should I mount /proc ? |
| 21:32.29 | Kerr | Is there a way to find out the current download speed when using aget? |
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| 21:32.55 | mirak | kerneld_: iptraf, dstat |
| 21:33.08 | chaedaeX | anyone know why a partition on an ATA drive that is around 75GB would only be recognized as 1.9GB? |
| 21:33.38 | xdaff139 | Does anybody see my question? ;) |
| 21:34.13 | dli | chaedaeX, can you mount it? |
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| 21:34.19 | annoia | *psst* Let's all ignore xdaff139. :) |
| 21:34.27 | chaedaeX | dli: yep its mounted |
| 21:34.35 | Kerr | xdaff139: busy people, these debianites. Best to go off and do something else 'till your nick hilight is set off by a reply.. and don't mind the trolls :-P |
| 21:34.48 | dli | chaedaeX, and it's reported 1.9GB in df ? what's in fdisk -l |
| 21:35.01 | starfishy | xdaff: are you sure there is no other apt or dpkg process running? |
| 21:35.16 | starfishy | fuser is not necessarily a reliable way to find out whether a file is in use |
| 21:35.17 | chaedaeX | dli: fdisk -l shows 74727072 blocks allocated to the partition |
| 21:35.27 | xdaff139 | yes, sure |
| 21:35.30 | bbrazil | xdaff139: look for a lock file in the same directory |
| 21:35.45 | reind | how can i check what package contains the bin apt-key ? |
| 21:35.46 | chaedaeX | dli: which comprise the better part of an 80GB drive |
| 21:35.47 | nmorse | Convenient how switching boot drives in the BIOS still has debian boot instead. |
| 21:36.03 | starfishy | dpkg -s apt-key |
| 21:36.03 | dpkg | You Fool! apt-key is installed! |
| 21:36.06 | chaedaeX | dli: i also did try grub-install --force-lba but that had no effect |
| 21:36.06 | dli | chaedaeX, 1 KB blocks |
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| 21:36.12 | starfishy | eh, dpkg -S apt-key |
| 21:36.25 | Nwallins | is sshd supposed to run as root? |
| 21:36.35 | dusty- | Hey guys anyone know of a really lightweight .avi player i running gxine and xine and they both are really shoddy as in the frames are slow in the .avi file so it sound is faster than video.. ? |
| 21:36.38 | dli | chaedaeX, if the size is incorrect in df, I suppose something wrong with the filesystem |
| 21:36.47 | gamblastic | hmm i installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 and linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 but they wont show up in grub? |
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| 21:36.54 | stew | Nwallins: yes, otherwise it wouldn't be able to su, nor be able to bind to port 22 |
| 21:37.03 | stew | s/su/suid/ |
| 21:37.05 | starfishy | sshd is supposed to be run by root |
| 21:37.05 | Kerr | dusty-: vlc always worked for me. |
| 21:37.07 | dli | chaedaeX, if you don't worry about the data on it, try "fsck -y", or simply mkfs again |
| 21:37.11 | chaedaeX | dli: that's out of a total of 78150744 available blocks, according to sfdisk -s /dev/hda |
| 21:37.17 | gamblastic | how can i get that kernel in grub? |
| 21:37.20 | Nwallins | stew: ok.. i have been messing around with ps aux and I hadn't noticed it before.. thanks |
| 21:37.22 | cisse | gamblastic: probablyt not making your initrd, bug with .15, try installing yaird |
| 21:37.29 | dli | chaedaeX, sounds ext3 then |
| 21:37.35 | chaedaeX | dli: ok i'll mkfs again. its xfs |
| 21:37.42 | KerPlunk | http://www.computernetworkinghelp.com/content/view/30/1/ ... I go to this link... or I go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4663748.stm and when I click on the "print" icon... or "print" ... it's a javascript link...and it opens a new window...how can I have it not do that and have it open the link in the current window when I click on it. |
| 21:37.51 | KerPlunk | I'm using firefox from testing. |
| 21:37.55 | dli | chaedaeX, google for known xfs bugs |
| 21:38.00 | xdaff139 | ok, thanks, i'll try google again... :( |
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| 21:38.08 | stew | Nwallins: there will be one sshd running as root which is the one bound to the port, when a user connects, it suid's to that user then forks, and the child sshd process (the one attached to an actual session) will be running as the ssh'd user |
| 21:38.09 | balo1 | Is there a way of installing thunderbird 1.5 'the proper debian way'? If possible I don't want to use the plain .tgz file, which is not telling apt about its existence. |
| 21:38.16 | gamblastic | cisse: then i get dependecies errors |
| 21:38.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:38.18 | chaedaeX | dli: fortunately its not a critical system |
| 21:38.20 | Amarande | something just occurred to me |
| 21:38.38 | Amarande | could all my video card problems (other than lack of ATI driver support on Linux) be related to some sort of subtle incompatibility in the BIOS? |
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| 21:38.47 | gamblastic | with udev, initramfs-tools and yaird self |
| 21:39.32 | dli | chaedaeX, you know you shouldn't be using xfs unless you have a ups |
| 21:39.33 | Amarande | speaking of which |
| 21:39.37 | starfishy | stew: actually there will be two sshd child processes created when a user sshs in |
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| 21:39.41 | Amarande | is there a utility in linux to tell you your BIOS version without rebooting? |
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| 21:39.55 | chaedaeX | dli: we do |
| 21:39.55 | starfishy | one is owned by root, but a child of the original sshd and one owned by the user |
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| 21:40.21 | reind | anyone know what package i need to install to install apt-key ? |
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| 21:40.31 | chaedaeX | dli: that's because it caches stuff a lot before writing it |
| 21:40.40 | gamblastic | cisse: cannot install yaird |
| 21:40.41 | aethera | so if I use etch I will not be supported anymore? |
| 21:40.44 | annoia | reind - apt |
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| 21:41.05 | stew | starfishy: yes, you are correct |
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| 21:42.10 | dli | chaedaeX, I use reiserfs and jfs myself |
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| 21:42.49 | moret | hello! |
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| 21:43.31 | moret | I have two pcs with debian in local net and I am looking for a solution in order to upgrade two pcs downloading once the packages |
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| 21:43.33 | myR`nico | hi miteinander, wollte mal fragen wie man ncompress installiert, kriegst irgendwie nicht geschissen |
| 21:43.35 | reind | annoia but i have apt installed and i get file not found |
| 21:43.51 | horza_ | Can I use apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade to convert ubuntu to debian unstable? |
| 21:44.03 | deadcat | moret: you can cp all the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:44.06 | annoia | reind - Well, dpkg -S apt-key gives me: apt: /usr/bin/apt-key |
| 21:44.06 | horza_ | after altering sources.lst |
| 21:44.06 | dli | is there any plan to make debian more source based, like gentoo flavored |
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| 21:44.09 | starfishy | horza: no |
| 21:44.11 | ronin | horza_: no |
| 21:44.16 | starfishy | at least i would advise against it |
| 21:44.16 | horza_ | hehe, didn't think so |
| 21:44.24 | myR`nico | How can I install and run ncompress? |
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| 21:44.34 | starfishy | aptitude install ncompress |
| 21:44.43 | horza_ | apt-get install ncompress |
| 21:44.43 | starfishy | if it is available as a debian packae |
| 21:44.44 | deadcat | moret: or you can let the second machine mount that dir via nfs with write access. because it needs to create a lock file in that dir when apt-get'ing |
| 21:44.46 | starfishy | package |
| 21:44.50 | myR`nico | do i have it to start or anything like that? |
| 21:44.51 | aphexer | how am I supposed to configure exim? the files in /etc/exim4 are just filled with DEBCONFvalueDEBCONF settings, I'm not sure what it is. Also when installing some tutorial asked me some settings about exim, how can I alter those again? |
| 21:45.03 | gamblastic | how can i put the kernel I just installed in grub, it didnt do it automatically |
| 21:45.05 | gamblastic | ? |
| 21:45.10 | reind | annoia hmm wonder why i dont have it then... maybe another package installs it |
| 21:45.27 | cisse | gamblastic: it's not ther ebecause it didn't install correctly |
| 21:45.34 | stew | aphexer: try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:45.34 | gamblastic | hmm |
| 21:45.41 | Amarande | aethera, we support etch here in #debian |
| 21:45.45 | dli | gamblastic, update-grub |
| 21:45.45 | Amarande | heck, we support sid |
| 21:45.53 | ronin | Amarande: sarge |
| 21:45.57 | Amarande | I've seen some people who even use full-blown sid systems, though I find that a bit too risky for my liking. |
| 21:45.58 | annoia | reind - Maybe it's because your version of apt is too old |
| 21:46.07 | aethera | Amarande: if I move from sarge to etch |
| 21:46.08 | gamblastic | tnx dli, it found the kernel |
| 21:46.08 | aethera | :) |
| 21:46.12 | cisse | gamblastic: try installing mkinitrdtools or initramfs-tools |
| 21:46.17 | Amarande | if you move from sarge to etch, #debian will still be able to help you |
| 21:46.18 | moret | deadcat: what do you think about apt-cache or apt-proxy? |
| 21:46.19 | dli | gamblastic, vi /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 21:46.19 | cisse | and then reconfiguring the kernel |
| 21:46.22 | Amarande | a lot of people here use etch |
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| 21:46.30 | Amarande | debian support is community based, generally based around #debian. |
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| 21:46.41 | Amarande | it's fitting for as community oriented a project as debian. :) |
| 21:46.52 | gamblastic | cisse: i got dependecies problems wilt initramfs-tools, so that wouldnt work |
| 21:47.02 | gamblastic | but update-grub found the kernel already |
| 21:47.13 | myR`nico | do i have it to start or anything like that? |
| 21:47.14 | cisse | gamblastic: i had this same issue like 2 months ago i can't remember what fixed it, installed another ramdisk generating toolset |
| 21:47.17 | gamblastic | its in the grub now |
| 21:47.19 | deadcat | moret: they work too. more like creating your own local apt repo. but mounting the dir via nfs seems easier to me. |
| 21:47.22 | Kerr | Amarande: what came first... the channel or the community O.o ? |
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| 21:47.29 | dli | Amarande, etch runs into broken dependencies, and sarge is just too old |
| 21:47.36 | stew | gamblastic: you can use yaird instead of initramfs-tools, its dependencies are more simple |
| 21:47.39 | annoia | amarande - Hey, I use programs too unstable for sid! I compile them myself! :) |
| 21:48.09 | Amarande | broken dependencies in etch? |
| 21:48.14 | gamblastic | it wont install yaird as well |
| 21:48.14 | Amarande | I haven't run into any of those so far |
| 21:48.17 | dli | annoia, that's my point, hope they can make debian more source based |
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| 21:48.22 | stew | gamblastic: why can't you install yaird? |
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| 21:48.33 | Amarande | although I do know when I installed build-essentials, it recommended I uninstall autoconf and m4 ... go figure ... |
| 21:48.37 | gamblastic | dependecies problems |
| 21:48.38 | dli | Amarande, again and again, I couldn't get k3b in etch |
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| 21:48.43 | gamblastic | i switched to unstable |
| 21:48.43 | buu | Hrm. Is there an easy way to add a program that gets executed when ever someone remotely logs in? |
| 21:48.44 | annoia | dli - apt-build? |
| 21:48.45 | SpinHard | Hi |
| 21:48.51 | ccg | wtf -> * Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect |
| 21:48.57 | myR`nico | I have installed ncompress, but when i try to install my GameServer, it always says "Compression failure" in a tutorial was written i need to install ncompress, why doesnt it work now? |
| 21:49.00 | SpinHard | Is there a tool that can move ext3 partitions towards the beginning of the hard drive? |
| 21:49.00 | ronin | ccg: hardly new |
| 21:49.07 | buu | "Remotely logs in via ssh" tha tis |
| 21:49.07 | Kerr | ccg: they're spying on you. |
| 21:49.17 | ccg | damn |
| 21:49.27 | sylvisj | ccg: You're being bugged. Your only choice is to format your hdd and install Windows. |
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| 21:49.43 | Amarande | dli: k3b isn't even an etch package |
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| 21:49.47 | Amarande | are you getting k3b from sid? |
| 21:49.48 | ccg | what version of windoze? |
| 21:49.49 | Kerr | :D |
| 21:49.50 | sylvisj | Amarande: You're right, it isn't. |
| 21:49.55 | stew | ccg: its a faq on freenode.net |
| 21:49.57 | gamblastic | hmm when i choose the .15 kernel in grub, it starts and then kernel stops |
| 21:49.58 | sylvisj | ccg: Anything above 98.r |
| 21:50.04 | gamblastic | stops loading |
| 21:50.06 | SpinHard | hello? |
| 21:50.06 | Amarande | sid packages by definition aren't guaranteed to be reliable :) |
| 21:50.14 | sylvisj | gamblastic: That's because of devfs being brokended. |
| 21:50.18 | dli | Amarande, what to do, if I want k3b, and running etch |
| 21:50.26 | gamblastic | says something about wrong root= |
| 21:50.33 | Kerr | dli: get it from kde's apt repository? |
| 21:50.38 | stew | gamblastic: you never built an inird, probably |
| 21:50.48 | starfishy | there is a kde3.5 repository on alioth |
| 21:50.48 | Kerr | though their version seems to love crashing. |
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| 21:50.50 | gamblastic | apt-get the kernel |
| 21:50.51 | stew | gamblastic: tell us exactly what errors you get installing yaird |
| 21:50.57 | gamblastic | hang on a sec |
| 21:51.09 | stew | gamblastic: yes, and you said you couldn't install any of the initrd tools, so your kernel won't be usable |
| 21:51.23 | abrotman | stew: ERROR: your stuff is t3h br0k3! |
| 21:51.23 | Amarande | hmm, does debian use devfs? |
| 21:51.25 | gamblastic | its in dutch.. ;/ |
| 21:51.28 | Amarande | It does say I have a tmpfs mounted on /dev |
| 21:51.32 | abrotman | Amarande: depends on the kernel |
| 21:51.36 | Amarande | 2.6.12-k7 |
| 21:51.40 | dli | Kerr, any reason to exclude k3b from etch? |
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| 21:52.12 | aphexer | stew: thanks that works, but how can i further configure exim? it's configfile is filled with "DEBCONF" strings, what do i do with it? |
| 21:52.21 | Matt-H | dli: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
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| 21:53.08 | ZiDaNe | can I install an unstable kernel 2.6.15-1 on etch ? |
| 21:53.15 | ZiDaNe | is there any problem with that ? |
| 21:53.22 | sylvisj | Amarande: Anything under 2.6.13 does. |
| 21:53.22 | gamblastic | but it says this: de following packages dont have the correct depedecies: initramfs-tools: depends: idev (>= 0.076-5) but 0.056-3 will be installed, udev: depends: hotplug (= 0.0.20040329-17), yaird, depends: libhtml-template-perl but wont be installed, depends: libparse-recdescent-perl but wont be installed |
| 21:53.23 | stew | aphexer: the .conf.template? or the .conf.d? |
| 21:53.24 | deadcat | ZiDaNe: sure |
| 21:53.28 | starfishy | is there any reason why you need 2.6.15-1? |
| 21:53.35 | gamblastic | idev = udev* |
| 21:53.45 | stew | gamblastic: can you put your sources.list into a pastebin? |
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| 21:53.50 | deadcat | starfishy: he wants the .15 when he uname -r (= |
| 21:53.51 | ZiDaNe | deadcat: do I have to upgrade some package before ? |
| 21:53.53 | gamblastic | its on my other pc |
| 21:53.55 | gamblastic | not this pc |
| 21:53.55 | starfishy | hehehe |
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| 21:54.08 | deadcat | ZiDaNe: no. just packages.debian.org and search |
| 21:54.13 | ZiDaNe | ok thx |
| 21:54.21 | dli | Kerr, kde doesn't ship stable release for debian, the closest is kbuntu |
| 21:54.24 | aphexer | stew: both, hehe, i believe the conf.template is the big configfile while conf.d is the split version, somehow i have both. |
| 21:54.26 | stew | gamblastic: so copy it. use scp, or a usb key or whatever |
| 21:54.32 | gamblastic | hang on |
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| 21:54.55 | gamblastic | i use: deb ftp://ftp.nl/debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 21:55.04 | gamblastic | same for deb-src |
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| 21:55.39 | stew | gamblastic: ftp.nl doesn't exist |
| 21:55.42 | dli | gamblastic, that's what I mean broken in etch :( now, you are telling people running testing to go ahead to unstable |
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| 21:55.47 | gamblastic | ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 21:55.58 | stew | gamblastic: i need to see the actual file |
| 21:56.15 | gamblastic | well since my usb stick wont work on this pc, i cant give it to ya |
| 21:56.19 | stew | gamblastic: and put the output of "apt-cache policy libhtml-template-perl" into a pastebin |
| 21:56.22 | gamblastic | thats another problem i got |
| 21:56.48 | gamblastic | and since x-server is giving me problems on the other pc, i cant start internet ;/ |
| 21:57.06 | stew | gamblastic: what does the x-server have to do with the internet? |
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| 21:57.22 | gamblastic | how can i go to pastebin if i cant start an internet browser? |
| 21:57.34 | dli | gamblastic, why X is entangled with net |
| 21:57.40 | Kerr | !lynx |
| 21:57.40 | stew | gamblastic: you can't. why can't you start a browser? |
| 21:57.40 | dpkg | a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. links ownz it |
| 21:57.51 | gamblastic | because when i start my computer it gives an error on X |
| 21:57.52 | deadcat | gamblastic: which browser? theres links links2 lynx elinks and hella browser |
| 21:58.07 | gamblastic | so i have to run text-based |
| 21:58.11 | deadcat | gamblastic: maybe debian is not for you... |
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| 21:58.38 | dli | gamblastic, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:58.41 | Zugschlus | aphexer: kindly read the docs that come with the exim package |
| 21:59.17 | gamblastic | Package 'server-xorg' hasnt been installed and no info is available. |
| 21:59.19 | gamblastic | :( |
| 21:59.20 | stew | gamblastic: my advice to you is to remove initramfs-tools for now, and resolve the dependency problems with libhtml-template-perl, then rebuild your initrd for 2.6.15, HTH HAND |
| 21:59.23 | gamblastic | xserver* |
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| 21:59.56 | gamblastic | stew: i dont even get the chance to install initramfs-tools ;/ |
| 21:59.56 | dli | gamblastic, apt-get -f install |
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| 22:00.18 | gamblastic | dli: yes i tried several times, gives error on udev, that I need kernel 2.6.12 or higher |
| 22:00.33 | stew | gamblastic: right, because of the dependency problems, so don't install it, install yaird |
| 22:00.42 | gamblastic | dependecy problem as well |
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| 22:01.04 | gamblastic | and when I try to install to dependecies, i get other problems |
| 22:01.12 | stew | gamblastic: right, you have to fix that on your own. we'd be happy to help, but you won't give us the info we need, you need to figure it out on your own. you should know how to do this if you run unstable anyway |
| 22:01.26 | gamblastic | I am giving you all the info I have on my screen |
| 22:01.37 | stew | gamblastic: no, you are not |
| 22:01.42 | dli | gamblastic, why not get an etch installation cdrom, restart from the beginning |
| 22:01.49 | stew | gamblastic: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 22:01.57 | gamblastic | because I used net-instal |
| 22:02.04 | gamblastic | and I am runing stable on this one perfectly |
| 22:02.11 | peteog | dazman, WOOP :) |
| 22:02.13 | gamblastic | and I wanted to try unstable on my other slow ass box |
| 22:02.13 | gamblastic | ;/ |
| 22:02.26 | deadcat | gamblastic: you crazy? unstable? |
| 22:02.39 | gamblastic | yes I am crazy, and I dont care |
| 22:02.40 | gamblastic | :) |
| 22:02.48 | dli | I remember somebody denied broken dependencies in etch :) interestingly and pointed to me why k3b is not in etch |
| 22:02.58 | deadcat | gamblastic: then dont come here and bitch like a whore |
| 22:03.09 | azeem | deadcat: please watch your language |
| 22:03.13 | stew | deadcat: no reason to start name calling |
| 22:03.16 | deadcat | azeem: sorry |
| 22:03.25 | dli | gamblastic, no, if you want to try, why not install gentoo instead |
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| 22:03.48 | gamblastic | dude whats you problem.. bitching like im your mom.. i just asked what i could do to help the problem get solved, I am giving all the info I have on my screen |
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| 22:03.57 | deadcat | gamblastic: even ubuntu as well. they have lastet softwares |
| 22:04.05 | stew | gamblastic: try to get us the info in /msg dpkg bat |
| 22:04.31 | stew | gamblastic: if you need help getting the info from one machine to the other maybe we could help with that |
| 22:04.43 | Chilliwack | hi.. um.. i was just wondering if there was any special preparations i had to make to install a dual-boot with windows xp... i ve had bad experienced with linus on this machine :( |
| 22:05.04 | stew | Chilliwack: if you are going to install both, get xp installed first |
| 22:05.06 | azeem | gamblastic: in general you cannot expect help about unstable in here. Some people might be able to help, but you can't count on it |
| 22:05.16 | dli | gamblastic, debian dependency problems require a genius to solve it usually, the standard instructions from DOCS are of little help, if not totally crap |
| 22:05.24 | Chilliwack | ive got xp installed already |
| 22:05.26 | gamblastic | if you cant help me with unstable, then just say it |
| 22:05.31 | gamblastic | then I wont have to ask |
| 22:05.35 | azeem | gamblastic: 22:58 < stew> gamblastic: try to get us the info in /msg dpkg bat |
| 22:05.37 | deadcat | gamblastic: i can but i wont |
| 22:05.51 | gamblastic | because you a lame ass prick |
| 22:06.00 | azeem | gamblastic: please watch your language as well |
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| 22:06.08 | Kerr | alwaysl ook on the bright side of life... |
| 22:06.13 | azeem | gamblastic: you probably won't get better help than what stew told you as long as you ignore it |
| 22:06.14 | deadcat | gamblastic: no i am being honest, they just dont have the balls to say it to ya |
| 22:06.19 | DragonD | I insalled openssl but i don't have the openssl include files... how do i get them? |
| 22:06.29 | azeem | DragonD: openssl-dev |
| 22:06.29 | dli | Chilliwack, just make sure you have free space on disk |
| 22:06.33 | gamblastic | I asked a prefectly normal question, you ask me for what I see at my screen, I give it and then you tell me I am not giving all the info? dude come on |
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| 22:06.46 | Chilliwack | oh, cool :) ive got about ... 70 gigs free :D |
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| 22:07.00 | gamblastic | to say what deadcat? |
| 22:07.00 | azeem | gamblastic: we need an exact copy of your error messages |
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| 22:07.10 | gamblastic | I gave them |
| 22:07.11 | azeem | 22:55 < gamblastic> and when I try to install to dependecies, i get other problems |
| 22:07.12 | DragonD | azeem: that doesn't show up in aptitude |
| 22:07.12 | stew | gamblastic: deadcat: please just use ignore |
| 22:07.16 | deadcat | gamblastic: they dont want to help |
| 22:07.21 | azeem | gamblastic: that's not an error description |
| 22:07.22 | gamblastic | I even translated them from dutch to english |
| 22:07.34 | dli | Chilliwack, unpartitioned free space? otherwise, there's the trouble of ntfs resizer |
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| 22:07.56 | abrotman | !nl |
| 22:07.56 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 22:07.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:08.00 | azeem | gamblastic: use an english locale, like export LANG=en for that terminal when you paste errors |
| 22:08.12 | dli | gamblastic, I hope you still say the bad words in dutch, which I don't understand at all |
| 22:08.24 | gamblastic | how about i say bad words in spanish |
| 22:08.29 | abrotman | those we know |
| 22:08.33 | azeem | gamblastic: how about you will not? |
| 22:08.35 | gamblastic | pff |
| 22:08.35 | gamblastic | ;/ |
| 22:08.37 | DragonD | azeem??? |
| 22:08.40 | dli | gamblastic, okay, I don't understand spanish either |
| 22:09.16 | azeem | DragonD: it's probably libopenssl-dev, sorry |
| 22:09.17 | stew | gamblastic: if you prefix a command with "LANG=C", like "LANG=C apt-cache policy yaird" you will get output in english |
| 22:09.20 | gamblastic | i got better things to do then listen to this bitching around |
| 22:09.24 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:09.45 | DragonD | azeem: i checked that too |
| 22:09.45 | Kerr | i think the ambient iq just upped by a few hundred. |
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| 22:09.52 | deadcat | see. he just wasted all your times and he didnt even want to be helped... |
| 22:10.00 | Kerr | let's celebrate with beer. |
| 22:10.13 | azeem | deadcat: we still try :) |
| 22:10.24 | Chilliwack | dli: im not sure |
| 22:10.29 | azeem | DragonD: apt-cache search openssl | grep dev ? |
| 22:10.31 | dli | deadcat, understandable, when apt runs into a deadlock, just telling you it's an impossible situation |
| 22:10.37 | azeem | DragonD: libssl-dev |
| 22:10.43 | deadcat | azeem: he just needed someone to scream at... like stress at work or home.. (= |
| 22:11.15 | azeem | I think he honestly wanted to have his box fixed, but he did not understand what he was supposed to in order for us to help him |
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| 22:11.27 | deadcat | anyone else besides me trying out 3ddesktop? fancy stuff... eye-candy |
| 22:11.36 | dli | Chilliwack, I heard the etch installer can do ntfs resizing, but the result is not guranteed, you may have to backup your own data first |
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| 22:11.54 | DragonD | azeem: thanks |
| 22:12.09 | Chilliwack | dli: hrm... well i have no clue what an etch installer is, but, i got the small cd-install thing burned... |
| 22:12.17 | bobbens | deadcat: does that work in the console :P |
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| 22:12.25 | azeem | dli: sarge did that as well |
| 22:12.29 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 22:12.37 | deadcat | bobbens: no... but SCREEN is what you want for console (= |
| 22:12.57 | dli | Chilliwack, I suppose that's the installer, but still there's a chance the ntfs resizer may ruin your partion |
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| 22:13.15 | azeem | it should work fine, though |
| 22:13.27 | azeem | Chilliwack: we're just not liable for any data corruption :) |
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| 22:13.38 | Chilliwack | azeem: i assumed :) |
| 22:13.40 | dli | azeem, I'm sure the next windows release will refuse those resizers |
| 22:14.08 | Amarande | yeah, you probably want to use something more reliable like qtparted to resize ntfs |
| 22:14.19 | azeem | dli: they can only make up an even more complicated file system |
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| 22:14.40 | Amarande | Is Vista slated to still use NTFS, or is a new FS going to be used? |
| 22:14.41 | azeem | Amarande: AFAIK the installer uses parted for that, so qtparted doesn't improve things |
| 22:14.53 | Chilliwack | azeem/dli/whoever else: my whole hard drive is partitioned to fat32, i think |
| 22:14.55 | azeem | Amarande: WinFS got axed, if that even was a real file system |
| 22:14.59 | azeem | and not some overlay |
| 22:15.08 | Amarande | so it's probably still NTFS, then |
| 22:15.11 | azeem | Chilliwack: that makes things easier |
| 22:15.16 | Amarande | they would have told MSDN if it was something else, wouldn't they? |
| 22:15.20 | azeem | Chilliwack: fat32 should be really safe to resize |
| 22:15.30 | Amarande | and if it was on MSDN it would be all over the /. etc. |
| 22:15.30 | azeem | Amarande: I don't care |
| 22:15.37 | Chilliwack | im not sure if it is fat32 though... im just gonna check |
| 22:15.43 | Amarande | yeah, I don't much care either |
| 22:15.47 | dli | Chilliwack, FAT32 can be resized reliably, but it doesn't have the security features needed by winXP |
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| 22:15.59 | Amarande | since I'm sure Vista won't have the limitation that always forced me to resize partitions when I used Windows XP, anyway. |
| 22:16.02 | Chilliwack | sigh, nope, its ntfs... |
| 22:16.05 | cire | may a 2.6.x kernel run with only 16MB of RAM? |
| 22:16.16 | Chilliwack | i could have sworn that i was on fat32 |
| 22:16.17 | Amarande | That's if I use Vista, since I'm rapidly getting used to linux. :) |
| 22:16.20 | azeem | cire: yes, but not much else |
| 22:16.34 | cire | azeem: I only need camE to run |
| 22:16.36 | azeem | cire: if you have that few RAM, you should really know what you're doing |
| 22:16.40 | dli | cire, yes, but you'd better tweak in make menuconfig |
| 22:16.52 | stew | cire: the install guide says that 32 mb is required for sarge, I don't know how hard and fast that rule is |
| 22:16.55 | cire | what options should I tweak? |
| 22:17.01 | azeem | all, probably |
| 22:17.43 | dli | cire, step by step, include things only required, and maybe, with -Os in compiling |
| 22:17.43 | cire | err, I don't know which settings are best. |
| 22:18.00 | dli | cire, get more ram or get another box |
| 22:18.16 | cire | hopefully in 5 days, I'll have 64 MB |
| 22:18.19 | Chilliwack | 16 megs of ram is really cheap these days, like, 10 bucks max |
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| 22:19.17 | Chilliwack | okay... if ive got windows on an ntfs system, the one i should have downloaded is i386, right? |
| 22:19.20 | Chilliwack | cuz thats what i got... |
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| 22:19.32 | triple5 | hi folks |
| 22:19.37 | Chilliwack | hi triple5 |
| 22:20.03 | azeem | Chilliwack: yes, unless you have an amd64/em64 CPU |
| 22:20.06 | triple5 | anyone with a little tool to recover a root password on a remote host? |
| 22:20.21 | Chilliwack | azeem: as in a 64 bit processer? |
| 22:20.24 | azeem | yes |
| 22:20.29 | Chilliwack | k, i have a 32 bit |
| 22:20.40 | azeem | triple5: how would that work? |
| 22:20.45 | triple5 | I know the approximate password that I have chosen, but I need to have a little bot that I can enter the possibilities |
| 22:21.02 | azeem | triple5: write a script, maybe |
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| 22:21.55 | triple5 | for example I know that I had three times the five (obviously...) in the password, and I had something memorable but I have changed the capitalization on it |
| 22:22.02 | stew | triple5: do you have a user with sudo access? |
| 22:22.22 | triple5 | stew: no I haven't |
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| 22:22.40 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:22.40 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 22:22.41 | cisse | forgot your pw ? |
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| 22:22.51 | tarzeau | !seen jarjar26 |
| 22:22.52 | dpkg | jarjar26 <n=michael@modemcable010.75-131-66.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 88d 8h 13m 44s ago, saying: ' valdyn yes my user is on audio group :('. |
| 22:22.52 | triple5 | yea |
| 22:23.16 | triple5 | damn |
| 22:23.16 | cisse | boot knoppix, etc /etc/shadow and delete everything between the two colons |
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| 22:23.34 | triple5 | no physical access, with physical access I can get it no problem! |
| 22:23.50 | cisse | ah |
| 22:24.02 | drp | I just installed debian and xorg ... I'm having some problems with getting the correct resolution in xorg ... no matter which ones I choose when I configure X it always defaults to the same one |
| 22:24.05 | Chilliwack | justa general question (im a linux newbie), gnome = the interface/how it looks, and debian is the way everything works, like, the file stuff... and stuff... |
| 22:24.07 | triple5 | I think on password change I have mistyped twice |
| 22:24.15 | stew | triple5: do you have a readable copy of /etc/shadow? |
| 22:24.18 | triple5 | so it changed, next time I can't log it. |
| 22:24.22 | drp | I know I've used other ones before but for some reason it's not liking them |
| 22:24.25 | triple5 | cause not |
| 22:24.32 | drp | how can you tell what resolution X is currently using |
| 22:24.41 | stew | drp: xdpyinfo or xrandr |
| 22:24.45 | stew | drp: or read the log |
| 22:24.51 | tarzeau | or count the pixels |
| 22:25.02 | Amarande | Okay, not a distro war or whatever, but I'm starting to wonder something. |
| 22:25.09 | tarzeau | Amarande: no |
| 22:25.16 | Amarande | Why is it normal for hardware vendors to provide their drivers in Red Hat packages instead of Debian ones? |
| 22:25.28 | tarzeau | Amarande: #redhat |
| 22:25.49 | cisse | because the business people who run that company are interested in selling to corporations who are more likely to run redhat |
| 22:26.00 | stew | heh: http://www.gplv4.org/ |
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| 22:26.12 | thingfish | probably because of LSB, Amarande. |
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| 22:26.16 | Chilliwack | is there a way to run the installation from windows, or do i have to install debian from bootup? |
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| 22:26.20 | tarzeau | !LSB |
| 22:26.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 22:26.27 | tarzeau | LSB is crap |
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| 22:26.38 | biohazrd | chilli: there is a way |
| 22:26.49 | Chilliwack | biohazrd: id love to hear it. |
| 22:26.56 | tarzeau | biohazrd: it's not worth it |
| 22:26.58 | biohazrd | or there was a few years back |
| 22:26.58 | thingfish | yeah, not that I by any means endorse LSB, but that's probably the reason why you see rpms. |
| 22:27.05 | biohazrd | i have never done it :) |
| 22:27.11 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: why isnt it worth it? whats wrong with it? |
| 22:27.17 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: just reboot |
| 22:27.29 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: im afraid of linux eating windows :P |
| 22:27.33 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: i guess we're talking xp or 2k |
| 22:27.42 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: xp, yeah |
| 22:27.48 | biohazrd | chilliwack, it wont eat it.... Its smarter than XP |
| 22:27.52 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: just reboot, why bother installing from xp? |
| 22:27.54 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 22:27.54 | dpkg | Mandriva sux0rz! |
| 22:27.56 | xored | iam trying to compile my own 2.6er kernel on a debian sarge to deactivate ipv6. I downloaded the kernel headers and getting that errors while trying to "make menuconfig" : Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. But somehow iam not able to install it. |
| 22:28.09 | tarzeau | xored: you need the linux kernel source |
| 22:28.18 | tarzeau | xored: the linux kernel headers won't do anything |
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| 22:28.27 | triple5 | now what? I have heard there are some crackers around that can get the root password if they have a normal password. I even have most of the password, say I can limit all possible letters to 8 different ones and I know the combinations, |
| 22:28.28 | KerPlunk | Amarande: redhat's name is huge... RHEL(redhat) leads in the server market for linux.. then debian is probably second, and then fedora third(redhat again) |
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| 22:28.29 | xored | tarzeau: how to get them ? |
| 22:28.32 | tarzeau | !topicsmite xored |
| 22:28.33 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon xored. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:28.38 | biohazrd | when you do the install it will show you the windows partitions. If you are using one HD, use partition magic to shrink the windows partion |
| 22:28.44 | triple5 | is there a script that can do the rest for me |
| 22:28.51 | stew | xored: if you just want to disable ipv6, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:28.55 | biohazrd | then you can fell good about it :) |
| 22:28.56 | drp | stew: how do you restart the xserver |
| 22:29.00 | Chilliwack | biohazrd: im just afraid of something going wrong with the ntfs partition and it murdering windows |
| 22:29.20 | Amarande | KerPlunk: I'm surprised companies picked up on RHEL that readily |
| 22:29.25 | triple5 | ? |
| 22:29.26 | KerPlunk | drp: type control and and backspace at the same time. |
| 22:29.28 | Amarande | You'd think that they would have flocked to Debian and Fedora |
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| 22:29.34 | biohazrd | one HDD? |
| 22:29.42 | tarzeau | Amarande: or suse or ubuntu? |
| 22:29.42 | Chilliwack | yes, one |
| 22:29.48 | stew | drp: the nice way is to exit your window manager, the next nicest way is to restart your dm with /etc/init.d/?dm restart, the harsh way is ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 22:29.48 | KerPlunk | Amarande: Redhat's name is very powerful...some people consider redhat and linux synonymous. |
| 22:29.49 | Amarande | Just considering the fact that companies have been getting really frugal lately. |
| 22:29.50 | tarzeau | Amarande: who cares, really? |
| 22:29.52 | biohazrd | then use something you are comfortable with like partition magic to shrink the windows parition |
| 22:30.05 | Chilliwack | ive never used partition magic |
| 22:30.05 | tarzeau | KerPlunk: and some people think suse is linux |
| 22:30.13 | thingfish | Amarande: you think companies would want to install Fedora? I can't imagine anyone wanting to use that in a production environment. |
| 22:30.14 | cisse | Amarande: businesspeople by and large aren't very smart, they just want to make money, it usually ends in making incredible stupid decisions like using redhat |
| 22:30.19 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: it's not free software |
| 22:30.19 | triple5 | Is it illegal to try to recover my own password? |
| 22:30.23 | KerPlunk | tarzeau: yes, but Redhat > Novell in the PR department. |
| 22:30.25 | tarzeau | triple5: no |
| 22:30.37 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: so itll /DEFINATELY/ work? |
| 22:30.54 | Amarande | tarzeau: or possibly even slackware or mandrake ... or do those still exist? It's been about 5 or 6 years since I really seriously used Linux last, so they may have gone under by now |
| 22:30.54 | biohazrd | chilliwack, i installed debian on a laptop that had windows it even setup windows partition in the boot loader |
| 22:30.59 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: it worked for me with qtparted |
| 22:31.00 | deadcat | triple5: nope. |
| 22:31.06 | Chilliwack | whats qtparted >< |
| 22:31.11 | triple5 | how does it work without physical access tarzeau and deadcat? |
| 22:31.12 | biohazrd | use lilo or grub as a bootloader, not windows bootloader |
| 22:31.14 | deadcat | triple5: unless your passwd on a remote server you dont own |
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| 22:31.22 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: the free software thing that does the same like partition magic |
| 22:31.32 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: will it work as well as it, though? |
| 22:31.41 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: yes |
| 22:31.49 | stew | triple5: is this server at a facility without humans? |
| 22:32.03 | Amarande | triple5: many people get leery about 'password recovery' questions though |
| 22:32.07 | tarzeau | triple5: use john? |
| 22:32.09 | triple5 | I own it! well, I rented it, and I want to not pay people to reset it for me, I want if for free |
| 22:32.11 | Amarande | simply because social engineering is so common with hackers |
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| 22:32.15 | stew | triple5: he doesn't have shadow |
| 22:32.18 | stew | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 22:32.27 | triple5 | who is john? |
| 22:32.32 | Chilliwack | okay... debian has a gui, right? i dont wanna have to type in every little thing |
| 22:32.35 | biohazrd | a password cracker |
| 22:32.35 | stew | triple5: apt-cache show john |
| 22:32.37 | cisse | he doesn't have shdow stew ? he should rainbow crack it |
| 22:32.45 | tarzeau | stew: he'll have to make a trip to the machine |
| 22:32.49 | tarzeau | stew: or someone else |
| 22:33.08 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: you should go chill and wank |
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| 22:33.19 | biohazrd | lol |
| 22:33.21 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: or just go to #ubuntu |
| 22:33.28 | _joey__ | could someone help with using parted to repartion hdd without losing the data ? |
| 22:33.31 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: that joke has been made so many times its lost its funnyness |
| 22:33.41 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: i don't care |
| 22:33.47 | biohazrd | ubuntu sounds like some kind of voodoo magic |
| 22:33.51 | stew | Chilliwack: it has many GUIs, what specifically are you looking for? |
| 22:33.54 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: erm... k |
| 22:34.00 | tarzeau | _joey: what filesystems/partitions? |
| 22:34.06 | Chilliwack | stew: none in particular, i was just making sure... |
| 22:34.16 | tarzeau | stew: he's too lazy to type apt-get install everythingheneeds |
| 22:34.20 | _joey__ | tarzeau one partion it's all reiserfs |
| 22:34.35 | tarzeau | _joey: are you also _joey__ ? |
| 22:34.39 | _joey__ | yes |
| 22:34.47 | tarzeau | !nickometer _joey__ |
| 22:34.49 | dpkg | '_joey__' is 38.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:34.55 | tarzeau | sucks with autocompletion |
| 22:35.01 | _joey__ | wait |
| 22:35.02 | kspath | Chilliwack: Have you thought about just coding up your own GUIs for everything. Make sure it has a think focused interface so it does not do what you click on but rather what you thought it should do. |
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| 22:35.08 | joeey | that's better |
| 22:35.14 | tarzeau | !ricerfs |
| 22:35.14 | dpkg | hmm... ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 22:35.22 | Chilliwack | kspath: i cannot code for crap |
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| 22:35.30 | Alam_Linux | !nickometer Alam_Linux |
| 22:35.32 | dpkg | 'Alam_Linux' is 0.000% lame, alam_linux |
| 22:35.36 | Chilliwack | !nickometer Chilliwack |
| 22:35.37 | dpkg | 'Chilliwack' is 0.000% lame, chilliwack |
| 22:35.39 | Alam_Linux | o_O.... |
| 22:35.39 | kspath | Chilliwack: You failed at the humour test as well. |
| 22:35.41 | Chilliwack | chat whee im not lame |
| 22:35.45 | tarzeau | joeey: i've only resized fat/ntfs partitions |
| 22:35.50 | joeey | tarzeau I have 250G hdd with reiserfs on it |
| 22:35.58 | joeey | tarzeau how did you do it ? |
| 22:36.00 | tarzeau | joeey: i'd get another 250G hd |
| 22:36.02 | ronin | careful now you two dont want to offend anyone doing that again :) |
| 22:36.10 | tarzeau | joeey: i just did it, some ntfs partitions didn't survive |
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| 22:36.15 | tarzeau | (it wasn't my data of course ;) heh |
| 22:36.22 | biohazrd | why stop there... get 500 GB or a couple of them |
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| 22:36.38 | K_Dallas_ | Hi guys! Q: Would it be possible to install etch right away or i have to install sarge and upgrade? Thanks |
| 22:36.46 | biohazrd | i just ordered a 150GB raptor |
| 22:36.50 | triple5 | I don't have john... now I have downloaded the source to the machine but there is no way to compileit, right? |
| 22:36.52 | tarzeau | K_Dallas_: latter is normal, first is possible yes |
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| 22:37.02 | K_Dallas_ | tarzeau, thank you |
| 22:37.20 | K_Dallas_ | i will do the latter |
| 22:37.20 | ronin | hot damn suppers ready |
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| 22:38.04 | triple5 | tarzeau, any idea? |
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| 22:38.16 | tarzeau | triple5: how far is the box? |
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| 22:38.33 | kspath | ronin: I am personally offended that you made a reference to offending anyone. |
| 22:38.34 | triple5 | I don't even know where it is, somewhere in my country... |
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| 22:39.05 | triple5 | 3-500km away if I'm lucky, but it could be in russia... |
| 22:39.20 | dli | triple5, russia is a big country :( |
| 22:39.21 | kspath | ronin: /me runs and hides. |
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| 22:40.07 | tarzeau | triple5: i'd go play nethack if i were you |
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| 22:40.15 | cosmicfool | hi, i am new to debian and i am trying to compile my own kernel |
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| 22:40.24 | tarzeau | cosmicfool: linux? |
| 22:40.35 | cosmicfool | yes |
| 22:40.35 | Chilliwack | whats the program on the cd that resizes partitions? or does it have to be done from the thing installing when you bootup |
| 22:40.36 | tarzeau | cosmicfool: 2.0? |
| 22:40.38 | dli | cosmicfool, /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:40.49 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: it doesn't exist |
| 22:41.05 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: who told you to use debian? |
| 22:41.09 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: i thought someone said there was one... or does it come with the thing |
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| 22:41.12 | dli | Chilliwack, you resize during installation, when preparing partitions |
| 22:41.17 | Chilliwack | tarzeau: a coder guy |
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| 22:41.26 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: i should murder that coder guy |
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| 22:41.43 | cosmicfool | oh ok |
| 22:41.46 | tarzeau | Chilliwack: really try #ubuntu |
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| 22:42.02 | triple5 | tarzeau, I have to do it, but I dunno how, I am not a cracker, I have about 90% of the information of the password, like: chickiERUI^&* but it could be ChICKIruio678 or any combination of the keys with or without shift... |
| 22:42.04 | Chilliwack | sigh >< |
| 22:42.08 | cosmicfool | tarzeau: unstable |
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| 22:42.22 | tarzeau | cosmicfool: you can have 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 22:42.35 | thingfish | now see, you went and hurt his feelings. |
| 22:42.38 | tarzeau | triple5: really i can't help you |
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| 22:42.54 | tarzeau | thingfish: is he a coder guy? |
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| 22:43.06 | cosmicfool | tarzeau: how do i know what version do i have?.. |
| 22:43.09 | dli | triple5, write a program to try passwd :( |
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| 22:43.19 | tarzeau | cosmicfool: uname will tell you |
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| 22:43.37 | thingfish | tarzeau: who, Chilliwack? No, I don't think he's old enough. |
| 22:43.39 | triple5 | dli, do you know where I could find a script, I am not a programmer |
| 22:43.54 | chigvan | i've googled to death and tried everything but my 2.6.8 kernel upgrade just wont work, hangs soon after login, mouse, alt-f2 everything dies |
| 22:44.01 | cosmicfool | Linux pony 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Wed Nov 30 21:55:37 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:44.15 | dli | triple5, I don't know :( don't know whether scripts can do it |
| 22:44.18 | tarzeau | chigvan: you have the right kernel for the right cpu? |
| 22:44.24 | xored_ | i have downloaded the kernel header and sources and patches. How to aply the /usr/src/kernel-patches ? |
| 22:44.36 | cosmicfool | tarzeau: that's my uname |
| 22:44.42 | valdyn | xored_: why would you apply those patches? |
| 22:44.42 | balo1 | my mc looks funny at the console (all graphic characters missing, but ok in xterm). That's probably because i missed to install a package when i did an install from a netinst-CD . How do I fix that? |
| 22:44.58 | jpipkin | triple5, you're trying to brute force a password? |
| 22:45.04 | dli | tarzeau, how can he login without a correct cpu |
| 22:45.05 | chigvan | tarzeau, yes, its a family 6 cpu, and my dmseg and xorg outputs are identical |
| 22:45.09 | tarzeau | balo1: no, the line characters are not a standard |
| 22:45.14 | tarzeau | balo1: what font are you using? |
| 22:45.24 | chigvan | i mean identical, as i have 2.4 at the moment |
| 22:45.25 | tarzeau | dli: he can use the default kernel, and then install the wrong one |
| 22:45.29 | mmars | evening... |
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| 22:45.43 | xored_ | valdyn: i want to compile a new kernel, so i need to, do i ? |
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| 22:45.49 | tarzeau | dli: say he has an intel and installs an amd kernel or other way around |
| 22:45.50 | valdyn | xored_: nope |
| 22:45.52 | A-e[TwIsTeD | Hi |
| 22:46.01 | tarzeau | chigvan: intel? amd? |
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| 22:46.05 | chigvan | intel |
| 22:46.06 | xored_ | valdyn: security reasons and that stuff ? |
| 22:46.10 | balo1 | tarzeau: didn#t tinker with that... apt-get install was teh first thing i did after the base install was completed |
| 22:46.10 | A-e[TwIsTeD | Anyone think they can help me |
| 22:46.25 | valdyn | xored_: have you even read the description of that kernel-patch package? |
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| 22:46.39 | dli | tarzeau, then, he couldn't get "login" |
| 22:46.52 | chigvan | also its really strange as a new build with the 2.6 kernel does exactly the same thing, hangs after login |
| 22:46.54 | tarzeau | dli: then i should go to bed |
| 22:46.59 | biohazrd | A-e; until you ask a question that is reety difficult |
| 22:47.03 | valdyn | xored_: ill help you out though: they are the diff between a kernel.org kernel and a debian kernel, you dont need to apply those to a debian kernel source |
| 22:47.04 | biohazrd | pretty. |
| 22:47.14 | mmars | is there an iSCSI target available for linux? |
| 22:47.22 | SerajewelKS | how would i get maxima to evaluate an expression and return a numeric result? if the expression contains an integral it doesn't seem to want to evaluate it. |
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| 22:47.30 | valdyn | xored_: ( in fact, you cant apply those to a debian kernel ) |
| 22:47.30 | cisse | mmars: target? you mean NIC ? |
| 22:47.32 | triple5 | jpipkin: something like smartforce... |
| 22:47.38 | xored_ | valdyn: thank you |
| 22:47.42 | SerajewelKS | is there some function that simply says "give me a decimal number"? |
| 22:47.54 | triple5 | jpipkin: because I have most of the password already |
| 22:47.57 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: sure, in what range? |
| 22:48.11 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: range? |
| 22:48.11 | mmars | cisse: no, i mean software target..so I can build a debian iSCSI server |
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| 22:48.30 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: in what language? |
| 22:48.31 | aethera | I all |
| 22:48.36 | aethera | I just upgraded to etch |
| 22:48.36 | sylvisj | People, need help - the kernel I built isn't reading my keyboard, which is more than just a slight problem... how would I go about fixing this? |
| 22:48.37 | jpipkin | triple5: there are programs available on the internet for that sort of thing. Check security sites. |
| 22:48.42 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: common lisp i assume.. that's what maxima uses |
| 22:48.43 | xored_ | valdyn: >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
| 22:48.44 | xored_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.48 | aethera | everything works fine except the debian desktop menu |
| 22:48.59 | aethera | I am using xfce4 |
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| 22:49.00 | mmars | isn't reading keyboard? |
| 22:49.02 | Gnea | sylvisj: what steps did you take to compile it? |
| 22:49.02 | aethera | there is no right click |
| 22:49.05 | triple5 | jpipkin how do I install the programme, remote or on my machine? |
| 22:49.05 | valdyn | xored_: apt-get isnstall libncurses5-dev |
| 22:49.08 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: e.g. right now i have the integral as x goes from 1 to 2 of (e^-x)ln(x+1)dx |
| 22:49.09 | tarzeau | aethera: did you read sid faq? |
| 22:49.17 | aethera | tarzeau: yes |
| 22:49.17 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: oh wait, i have no idea about that |
| 22:49.20 | valdyn | !b-e xored_ |
| 22:49.20 | dpkg | xored_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:49.22 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: and it's only giving me that. i want to know what that integral *is* |
| 22:49.24 | aethera | erm no |
| 22:49.25 | aethera | :( |
| 22:49.28 | Firestarter | Is there a way to check what area an ip address is located? |
| 22:49.30 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:49.30 | cosmicfool | hm, actually my problem is that make gives some errors and i know what they mean, but i don't know what to do about it |
| 22:49.30 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 22:49.40 | cisse | Firestarter: graphical traceroute |
| 22:49.44 | biohazrd | sylvis, depends on if it is a usb keyboard or not |
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| 22:49.46 | sylvisj | Gnea: make menuconfig, make, make modules_install, make install |
| 22:49.56 | triple5 | and which security site should I check for brute-force password crackers where I can already give in some range of possibilities |
| 22:49.59 | Firestarter | cisse: where can I get that? |
| 22:50.00 | Gnea | sylvisj: now is that a 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 22:50.01 | jpipkin | triple5: Depends. Most of the time when you're brute-forcing a password, though, it's because you're trying to get access to a remote machine, so you're running it on your local machine. |
| 22:50.03 | cosmicfool | tarzeau: it seems i don't have things in /usr/include |
| 22:50.21 | aethera | tarzeau: so you are telling mew that why? |
| 22:50.25 | triple5 | okay jpipkin, where should I look? |
| 22:50.30 | aethera | all I wanted to know was if it can be fixed |
| 22:50.39 | tarzeau | aethera: yes it can be fixed |
| 22:50.45 | sylvisj | Gnea: 2.6.12 |
| 22:50.45 | aethera | hmmm |
| 22:50.49 | aethera | I have no idea how tho |
| 22:50.53 | Kerr | Firestarter: http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm is fun |
| 22:50.59 | tarzeau | aethera: the trick is to learn that |
| 22:51.03 | jpipkin | triple5: Many sites that deal with security have those types of programs online, or provide links. |
| 22:51.04 | biohazrd | sylvisj if it is a usb keyboard you most likely forgot to compile human interface device, or something. Swithing to a serial connection may remidy the problem until you get it fixed |
| 22:51.04 | tarzeau | aethera: by reading the sid faq |
| 22:51.06 | Firestarter | kerr: thanks |
| 22:51.10 | aethera | must I just reinstall the debmenu? |
| 22:51.12 | cosmicfool | tarzeau: for example "scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory" |
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| 22:51.21 | triple5 | okay jpipkin I will have alook |
| 22:51.47 | Gnea | sylvisj: ps2 or usb keyboard? |
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| 22:51.57 | sylvisj | biohazard: I was already told to try this, though it is PS/2. The modules are compiled into the kernel currently, and it still isn't working. |
| 22:51.58 | myavuzselim | I have 6 cd's of sarge testing. I'm downloading stable with the help of jigdo. But scanning the cd's takes much time. Is there a place where the differences are isted? (e.g. stable cd1 = 30% testing cd1, 10% cd2, 40% new...) |
| 22:52.00 | sylvisj | Gnea: PS/2 |
| 22:52.05 | aethera | tarzeau: is it called deskmenu or what is the package that makes the menu? |
| 22:52.07 | resiak | myavuzselim: Sarge isn't testing. |
| 22:52.17 | tarzeau | aethera: it's called menu |
| 22:52.18 | Gnea | sylvisj: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 22:52.19 | myavuzselim | I know, but it was, isn't it? |
| 22:52.26 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: hrm it seems to do it with integrals that don't involve e or ln |
| 22:52.32 | resiak | myavuzselim: A good point. Can't you just netinstall sarge? |
| 22:52.38 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: checked the BTS? |
| 22:52.54 | sylvisj | Gnea: Etch. |
| 22:52.56 | balo1 | ok, again: i did a minimal install from a netinst-iso. first thing after was: apt-get install mc (lynx unzip gpm). All the graphic characters (e.g. borderlines and dialog-box formatting) are wrong/not showing. I think i probably just did not install a package to make it work (termcaps?). What might it be? |
| 22:53.02 | aethera | tarzeau: have you had this before? |
| 22:53.05 | Azar | myavuzselim: Etch is the name of the Debian testing |
| 22:53.19 | tarzeau | aethera: i've had several things break, and fixed with sid, yes. i don't like xfce |
| 22:53.19 | xored_ | valdyn: libncurses5-dev: Depends: libncurses5 (= 5.4-4) but 5.4-9 is to be installed |
| 22:53.19 | xored_ | E: Broken packages |
| 22:53.20 | resiak | balo1: Are you using a UTF-8 locale? |
| 22:53.28 | myavuzselim | I'm trying to get sarge stable. |
| 22:53.30 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: nah i think this is a 'feature' -- preserving irrationals as their symbol |
| 22:53.41 | xored_ | valdyn: i might installed some unstable packes, my fault. Any easy way to fix taht ? |
| 22:53.48 | Azar | myavuzselim: Sarge is version 3.1 = stable |
| 22:53.48 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: problem is i can't seem to find a function that says 'give me the irrationals' |
| 22:53.51 | clem_yeats | well Etch is Etch... testing is a pointer.. that points at Etch at the moment. |
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| 22:54.05 | Gnea | sylvisj: in menuconfig, check Device Drivers->Input device support->Event interface is compiled in or M |
| 22:54.06 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i can't decide with whom to go to the mountains |
| 22:54.19 | chigvan | I'll have to do some digging, thanks, g'nite all |
| 22:54.28 | tarzeau | Azar: women only |
| 22:54.30 | biohazrd | xored_, uninstall them, change your sources back, apt-get update, and reinstall |
| 22:54.32 | Azar | ah |
| 22:54.34 | myavuzselim | resiak: I will install it on multiple pc's, so cd's are better |
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| 22:54.38 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: i can be a woman for you |
| 22:54.43 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: no thanks |
| 22:54.43 | biohazrd | LOL |
| 22:54.45 | Kerr | lol |
| 22:54.48 | resiak | myavuzselim: apt-proxy would be better still ;) |
| 22:55.15 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: are you a transvestite? |
| 22:55.31 | Tarus | anyone have experience with servers here? I have phpmyadmin installed and need to remove it but I get an error db_get: command not found??? |
| 22:55.32 | Azar | tarzeau who said men aren't fun ? |
| 22:55.39 | biohazrd | I wish my wife would say "I can be a dirty slut for you" |
| 22:55.51 | jpipkin | haha |
| 22:55.51 | deadcat | biohazrd: but? |
| 22:55.59 | sylvisj | Gnea: It already was achecked. |
| 22:56.04 | tarzeau | Azar: you're in switzerland? |
| 22:56.06 | biohazrd | deadcat, no wife ever does |
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| 22:56.10 | xored_ | bioanarchism: |
| 22:56.11 | balo1 | what is it here? alt.discussions.perversions? :-D |
| 22:56.17 | tarzeau | biohazrd: shouldn't be too hard? |
| 22:56.23 | moret | I have a problem, when I try to mount a nfs filesystem I get the error: "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 22:56.27 | Azar | tarzeau: no but that would be an ideal place for a vacation for myself too |
| 22:56.29 | bioanarchism | xored_: yeah? |
| 22:56.30 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: nah, just joking around |
| 22:56.33 | jpipkin | Tarus:: At what point exactly do you get that message? |
| 22:56.36 | Tarus | Hey does anyone have an idea why phpadmin wont uninstall? |
| 22:56.36 | xored_ | bioanarchism: sorry, wrong person :) |
| 22:56.41 | triNode | balo1: no it's IRC #perverteddiscussions |
| 22:56.43 | tarzeau | Azar: when are you here? |
| 22:56.44 | bioanarchism | xored_: its alright. i figured that out. |
| 22:56.47 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hehe i thought so |
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| 22:56.50 | xored_ | biohazrd: ok sources are out allready, how to easy downgrade |
| 22:57.04 | Gnea | sylvisj: not sure then... tried another keyboard? |
| 22:57.18 | cosmicfool | hm, i think i got it, didn't have libc6-dev installed, that doesn't seem right to me.. |
| 22:57.19 | aethera | tarzeau: you can atleast give me a hint |
| 22:57.21 | Tarus | emoving phpmyadmin ... |
| 22:57.21 | Tarus | /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found |
| 22:57.22 | Tarus | dpkg: error processing phpmyadmin (--remove): |
| 22:57.22 | Tarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.22 | Tarus | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 22:57.22 | biohazrd | xored i asssumed you knew the packages in unstable you installed that you want to remove |
| 22:57.29 | tarzeau | aethera: i told you all i know |
| 22:57.37 | aethera | I have check all the dependecies ie desktop-file-utils etcc.. |
| 22:57.40 | Gnea | Azar: just watch out for the psychos |
| 22:57.51 | biohazrd | or are you talking about the downgrading from unstable to stable: |
| 22:58.02 | sylvisj | Gnea: Yes. Same problem with it, though it is a USB with PS/2 adapter. |
| 22:58.06 | Azar | Gnea: I know mom told me not to go on vacation with strangers I meat on the internet |
| 22:58.14 | tarzeau | Azar: meet |
| 22:58.26 | Azar | tarzeau, ah yes meet |
| 22:58.28 | balo1 | this was on purpose |
| 22:58.29 | Gnea | sylvisj: aaaaah.... have you tried it without the adapter? |
| 22:58.35 | tarzeau | Azar: how old is she? |
| 22:58.37 | aethera | any one else have this problem? |
| 22:58.43 | Azar | tarzeau: 38 |
| 22:58.51 | tarzeau | Azar: sportive? |
| 22:58.58 | Azar | tarzeau: no |
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| 22:59.03 | tarzeau | Azar: come alone |
| 22:59.05 | sylvisj | Gnea: Yes, it isn't even detected by my BIOS. |
| 22:59.05 | xored_ | biohazrd: but how to downgrade ? |
| 22:59.06 | Gnea | Azar: yeah it can be an issue - people seem to think that no one else knows wtf is going on |
| 22:59.07 | Azar | :) |
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| 22:59.23 | nil` | how would i remove a program and all of the dependencies that were installed when i installed it? |
| 22:59.29 | Gnea | or that no one else will find out or will be somehow uninformed or unable to figure things out |
| 22:59.35 | tarzeau | nil`: that's not that easy |
| 22:59.36 | biohazrd | downgrading the entire distro is tricky and doesnt alway work right |
| 22:59.51 | nil` | tarzeau: i'll need to remove each package seperately? |
| 22:59.53 | biohazrd | I would have to find some instructions on it, I have only sucessfully done it once |
| 22:59.55 | jpipkin | Tarus:: If you really need to get rid of phpMyAdmin, just remove it from the web server tree. And if you want, remove its entries in the DB. |
| 22:59.56 | Tarus | #flood (Reading database ... 153860 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 22:59.56 | Tarus | Removing phpmyadmin ... |
| 22:59.56 | Tarus | /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found |
| 22:59.56 | Tarus | dpkg: error processing phpmyadmin (--purge): |
| 22:59.56 | Tarus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.57 | tarzeau | nil`: it's like you have one piece of bread, and you cut it into two pieces |
| 23:00.00 | Gnea | sylvisj: sounds like your BIOS isn't setup right to allow USB keyboards, or the keyboard is bad |
| 23:00.05 | jpipkin | He just doesn't get it. |
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| 23:00.08 | tarzeau | nil`: you won't ever get it into one piece like originally |
| 23:00.10 | Gnea | !tell Tarus -about flood |
| 23:00.12 | Gnea | !tell Tarus -about paste |
| 23:00.16 | Azar | :) Taurus does not get it |
| 23:00.17 | Gnea | !tell Tarus -about ask |
| 23:00.19 | sylvisj | Gnea: Both work via PS/2 in windows and debian stock kernel. |
| 23:00.21 | tarzeau | nil`: you can try, but even then you can't be sure |
| 23:00.24 | jpipkin | Hilarious. |
| 23:00.28 | streuner | Gnea: he is not here... |
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| 23:00.39 | Fish-Face | How do I get debian to set up a menu.lst and tell GRUB (installed on the MBR) to look for it? |
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| 23:00.43 | Gnea | streuner: what's that? |
| 23:00.43 | jpipkin | Tarus:: If you really need to get rid of phpMyAdmin, just remove it from the web server tree. And if you want, remove its entries in the DB. |
| 23:00.44 | Tarus | ok |
| 23:00.45 | streuner | Tarus: how many times you want to flood us? |
| 23:00.48 | tarzeau | Tarus: GAIM IRC? |
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| 23:00.59 | stew | Fish-Face: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 23:01.00 | Tarus | streuner: ha ha sorry no more |
| 23:01.16 | aethera | stew: any ideas? |
| 23:01.16 | biohazrd | xored http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/downgrade.html |
| 23:01.25 | aethera | my desktop menu has disapeared |
| 23:01.31 | Fish-Face | stew, doesn't exist |
| 23:01.38 | tarzeau | aethera: yes you already told so a few minutes ago |
| 23:01.43 | nil` | tarzeau: uhh...can i remove each package seperatley? |
| 23:01.43 | stew | Fish-Face: /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 23:01.50 | stew | aethera: update-menus |
| 23:01.50 | nil` | tarzeau: there were only like 5 installed |
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| 23:02.04 | jafo | I've dug through the man pages, but I can't find this, anyh help would be appreciated. I need the Debian equivalent of "rpm -Va", which checks installed files against the package database and reports files that are different from when they were installed. |
| 23:02.07 | tarzeau | nil`: are you sure you used -u and it showed you all? |
| 23:02.13 | tarzeau | nil`: go ahead, try it. |
| 23:02.23 | nil` | tarzeau: <what?> -u ? |
| 23:02.24 | tarzeau | nil`: maybe you're lucky. it's new moon |
| 23:02.25 | valdyn | jafo: 'debsums' |
| 23:02.31 | tarzeau | nil`: man apt-get see -u |
| 23:02.35 | nil` | ok |
| 23:02.48 | Gnea | sylvisj: i don't know then... i would try to find another keyboard and experiment |
| 23:02.52 | jafo | valdyn: Thanks. Checking. |
| 23:03.11 | streuner | Tarus: show us your sources.list in paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 23:04.01 | sylvisj | Gnea: Almost all livecd's do the same thing... bah |
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| 23:04.27 | xored_ | biohazrd: the manuel do not fit for me, i do not have all the /etc/apt file |
| 23:04.54 | biohazrd | huh? |
| 23:05.27 | cem__ | how do i set up my computer so i can burn cds, its not working for some reason |
| 23:05.33 | xored_ | biohazrd: i do not have /etc/apt/preference |
| 23:05.36 | xored_ | +s |
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| 23:05.46 | clem_yeats | cem_ : did you try k3b ? |
| 23:05.52 | cem__ | yeah |
| 23:05.56 | cem__ | thats what im uesing |
| 23:05.59 | Gnea | sylvisj: yeah, it's the keyboard itself then |
| 23:06.04 | Gnea | sylvisj: could be the adapter |
| 23:06.14 | valdyn | !tell cem__ -about ask |
| 23:06.14 | clem_yeats | cem_ : what does it say ? |
| 23:06.21 | nk__ | dondelelcaro: still on? |
| 23:06.40 | sylvisj | Gnea: This one (my main) has no adapter. It is the spare that has it. Also, it is working right now on the stock kernel, just not a recompiled one. |
| 23:06.48 | cem__ | let me try again and see... |
| 23:06.57 | aethera | does anyone here use the propiatary ATI driver? |
| 23:06.59 | clem_yeats | ok |
| 23:07.01 | biohazrd | xored_, not certain what to tell you. |
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| 23:07.24 | tarzeau | aethera: i've installed them once, like 1 year ago, it was painful |
| 23:07.36 | aethera | tarzeau: I have a funny issue |
| 23:07.42 | aethera | [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. |
| 23:07.48 | biohazrd | xored_, what package is giving you grief? |
| 23:07.56 | Gnea | sylvisj: are they both usb keyboards or just a usb and a ps/2 with an adaptor on the usb? |
| 23:08.21 | Amarande | aethera: The proprietary ATI driver rejected me :/ |
| 23:08.22 | aethera | tarzeau: that happened after I installed kernel 2.6.15 |
| 23:08.29 | tarzeau | aethera: you need to rebuild it |
| 23:08.36 | tarzeau | aethera: everytime you change the linux kernel |
| 23:08.42 | xored_ | biohazrd: grief ? when i try "upgrading" he do not find packages wich need that |
| 23:08.45 | sylvisj | The secondary is USB w/ adapter, the primary is just PS/2 |
| 23:08.45 | tarzeau | aethera: or use the free software driver |
| 23:08.50 | aethera | thats when running sh ati------ |
| 23:09.01 | tarzeau | aethera: same shit with nvidia |
| 23:09.07 | stew | aethera: which radeon chipset do you ahve? |
| 23:09.17 | aethera | 9550 |
| 23:09.29 | biohazrd | xored_, what is the specific problem? |
| 23:09.29 | Gnea | sylvisj: what happens if you switch keyboards? |
| 23:09.32 | xored_ | biohazrd: is there a way to reconfigute apt sources with dpkkg-reconfigure ? thought there was something like that |
| 23:09.44 | sylvisj | Gnea: Nada. |
| 23:09.49 | biohazrd | you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:09.53 | tarzeau | xored_: just man sources.list |
| 23:09.55 | aethera | must I redownload the driver? |
| 23:09.55 | Gnea | sylvisj: ok, it's the motherboard. |
| 23:10.01 | tarzeau | aethera: no, you must rebuild it |
| 23:10.02 | stew | xored_: apt-setup, unless you are on sid |
| 23:10.08 | aethera | tarzeau: |
| 23:10.15 | Gnea | sylvisj: did you build the system yourself or is it a dell or something? |
| 23:10.18 | sylvisj | Gnea: MSI K8N-Neo4 SLI... |
| 23:10.20 | sylvisj | Built it myself. |
| 23:10.21 | aethera | that is when running sh ati-driver-installer-8.21.7-i386.run |
| 23:10.27 | Gnea | rockin', sec |
| 23:10.29 | aethera | in the stupid install log |
| 23:10.38 | xored_ | biohazrd: i cannot follow the instructions on the manual yu gave me . I can start only with apt-get upgrad , but that says me, nothing to upgrade |
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| 23:11.05 | biohazrd | xored_, first off, are you trying to change your sources? |
| 23:11.08 | xored_ | stew: thank you,. but there i cannot configure which packages he should take in general ? |
| 23:11.09 | aethera | [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult read |
| 23:11.09 | aethera | me. |
| 23:11.22 | aethera | hmmm |
| 23:11.29 | cripper | have an install question..... |
| 23:11.30 | stew | xored_: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 23:11.34 | aethera | and I can not see the headers for 2.6.15 |
| 23:11.37 | aethera | in apt |
| 23:11.38 | tarzeau | aethera: tried #ubuntu ? |
| 23:11.42 | tarzeau | aethera: try sid |
| 23:11.44 | Rawplayer | i have 16% swapping on a server, how can i discover what its doing? |
| 23:11.46 | tarzeau | aethera: etch is horribly old |
| 23:11.53 | aethera | tarzeau: come on |
| 23:11.53 | tarzeau | Rawplayer: top? |
| 23:11.54 | xored_ | biohazrd: no, i just tried thagt , installed some unstable stuff for compiling. Now i commented anything unstable out and wnat to donwgrad libncurse for recompiling kernel |
| 23:11.57 | Gnea | sylvisj: what's your bios revision? |
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| 23:12.03 | tarzeau | aethera: really, etch is the worst one can use, imho |
| 23:12.09 | sylvisj | Gnea: I have no clue... |
| 23:12.12 | xored_ | !paste |
| 23:12.13 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 23:12.23 | biohazrd | then apt-get remove libncure*, change sources back to stable and reinstall |
| 23:12.23 | aethera | tarzeau: that happend after a kernel upgrade on sarge |
| 23:12.28 | tarzeau | aethera: i can't in no way understand why people use etch |
| 23:12.32 | stew | tarzeau: don't recommend sid to him |
| 23:12.35 | nk__ | how can I find and install the debian kernel patch for suspend2? |
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| 23:12.42 | biohazrd | take not of other packages it removes with it |
| 23:12.45 | biohazrd | note. |
| 23:12.51 | stew | tarzeau: earlier today he didnt' know how to even check what version of a pacakge he had installed |
| 23:12.56 | cem__ | i fixed the problem, didnt isntall the cdrdao package |
| 23:12.57 | tarzeau | stew: ugh |
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| 23:13.06 | Gnea | sylvisj: reboot and read it from POST when the RAM is being checked - it's ussually toward the top and the date of the bios will be along the bottom |
| 23:13.09 | xored_ | biohazrd: thats my sources : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1699 |
| 23:13.09 | cripper | why is it that my macine boots up and "starts" the install process from CD-ROM; but then can't find the CD-ROM? |
| 23:13.09 | aethera | tarzeau: in terms it happend on sarge with a new kernel |
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| 23:13.19 | tarzeau | aethera: look the kernel and the ati proprietary driver are like foot and shoe |
| 23:13.26 | Amarande | cripper: I had that issue with FreeBSD once. It's weird. |
| 23:13.27 | tarzeau | aethera: if your foot gets bigger you need a bigger shoe |
| 23:13.32 | aethera | erm |
| 23:13.37 | Gnea | sylvisj: it should be 1.<something> |
| 23:13.41 | aethera | there is no other drver on the ati site |
| 23:13.54 | tarzeau | stew: he doesn't understand me, right? |
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| 23:13.58 | cripper | i've only been able to install Damn Small Linux on the Machine. Can't do anyting else |
| 23:13.58 | stew | aethera: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 23:14.05 | biohazrd | xored_, and you ran apt-get update? |
| 23:14.06 | tarzeau | stew: do you think he can read? |
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| 23:14.18 | stew | tarzeau: selectively |
| 23:14.24 | Amarande | Actually, that's one of the few things I actually cared to like about Windows. |
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| 23:14.34 | Amarande | I/O error messages are generally more excruciatingly detailed for you. |
| 23:14.41 | stew | aethera: wait you are on etch now? did you upgrade since a few hours ago? |
| 23:14.41 | linguizic | Has anyone been able to connect to a dell all-in-one printer? |
| 23:14.44 | Amarande | Whereas all too often on Linux or BSD you'll get told "I/O error." |
| 23:14.50 | stew | aethera: are you still running a kernel from backports.org? |
| 23:15.01 | aethera | stew: yeah |
| 23:15.17 | aethera | maybe I must go back to the one the upgrade to etch installed |
| 23:15.23 | aethera | 2.6.12 |
| 23:15.25 | biohazrd | xored_, then your base source right now is stable if you ran apt-get update again |
| 23:15.26 | Gnea | !tell linguizic -about printer |
| 23:15.26 | Amarande | (The time I had that problem with FreeBSD install, which was, again, 5+ years ago, I noticed it said I/O error number 5. So I looked that up and it told me ... error 5 meant there was an I/O error. Neat. :) |
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| 23:15.37 | stew | aethera: that would explain a lot |
| 23:15.43 | aethera | brb |
| 23:15.45 | aethera | reboot |
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| 23:16.10 | biohazrd | xored_, you need to just apt-get remove libncures, which will remove the one installed previously from testing, and reinstall it with apt-get install libncurses, which will pull it from stable |
| 23:16.19 | cripper | mandriva does the same thing to me... boots from CD fine.... and can't find the CD to continue install. |
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| 23:17.42 | jpipkin | I'm seen that issue with not finding the CD before. |
| 23:17.52 | jjazz | cripper: the bootup is done by the BIOS. The install is done by linux. In some cases, the BIOS can see the drive, but the install disc doesn't have a driver suitable for reading from it, so when control is passed to the installer, it can't find the disc. |
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| 23:18.04 | linguizic | Gnea: I'm a newbie, I'm not sure what your message ment. |
| 23:18.09 | jpipkin | We had to drop back to a previous version of Debian. |
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| 23:18.37 | dragonfly | i am having the same issue on a couple of different computers. I have a name for the computer set in /etc/hostname but when i go into the dhcp table of my router neither of the names show up, just mac addresses. also, i can ping the computer by ip address but not by name |
| 23:18.45 | cripper | maybe my e-machine really IS a piece of crap... lol |
| 23:19.11 | xored_ | biohazrd: but there are a lot of dependencies |
| 23:19.16 | balo1 | dragonfly: had a look in /etc/hosts? |
| 23:19.22 | stew | dragonfly: man dhclient.conf |
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| 23:19.28 | Eno_ | How does allow-hotplug interfacename work in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:19.43 | Eno_ | The manpage for interfaces doesn't reallydescribe it |
| 23:19.44 | Gnea | linguizic: it told you a website to visit to find out about your printer, and it told you about a command/packagename that you can install and run as root in order to configure the printer |
| 23:20.01 | cripper | but i guess it's semi-comforting to know that this is relatively normal.... so. thanks for the advice. |
| 23:20.05 | KS70 | I wonder if I could get a hand with an upgrade from a 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel. I'm have a b*tch of a time because of the switch from devfs to udev. |
| 23:20.12 | linguizic | Gnea: thank you. |
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| 23:20.19 | Gnea | np |
| 23:20.21 | DragonD | ok i'm configsed!!!!! i'm tring to set up jabber and have the config files as --rw-rw--- jabber:jabber and i su - jabber and run the start command i'm getting permission denied for reading! what the hell? |
| 23:20.51 | biohazrd | xored_, let it remove them, take note of the important ones. When you reinstall it will add the same dependancies. Just make sure they are not critical for your current session. Meaning anything X related if you are in X right now. I normally do this from a shell session without X |
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| 23:20.58 | Gnea | DragonD: it should be run via /etc/init.d/jabber or something... |
| 23:21.06 | linguizic | !tell linguizic -about printer |
| 23:21.10 | stew | DragonD: how do you know that its the config files its complaining about? |
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| 23:21.29 | DragonD | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.34 | linguizic | Gnea: I'm not sure what to do now. |
| 23:21.35 | sylvisj | Gnea: v6.00P |
| 23:21.39 | sylvisj | something like that |
| 23:21.48 | sylvisj | Award bios :S |
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| 23:21.49 | stew | KS70: can you ask a more specific question? |
| 23:22.01 | Gnea | sylvisj: did you get a date? |
| 23:22.03 | DragonD | Gnea: i'm setting it all up manuly |
| 23:22.08 | sylvisj | gnea: Nope. |
| 23:22.09 | sylvisj | Shit gtg |
| 23:22.15 | Gnea | DragonD: sorry, we don't support that. |
| 23:22.21 | stew | DragonD: why aren't you using the debian pacakge? |
| 23:22.34 | cripper | on install stuff, would a more recent CD device possibly work? |
| 23:22.40 | DragonD | stew: no package. |
| 23:22.48 | xored_ | biohazrd: so just let him deinstall all the other packages |
| 23:22.57 | Gnea | DragonD: that is horse shit. |
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| 23:23.04 | biohazrd | paste me what it wants to remove |
| 23:23.06 | xored_ | biohazrd: its my linux router box, there is no x window even installed :) |
| 23:23.08 | Gnea | jabber - Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger |
| 23:23.10 | stew | DragonD: what do you mean "no pacakge"? |
| 23:23.12 | DragonD | ahh i was looking for jabberd |
| 23:23.16 | Gnea | !info jabber |
| 23:23.21 | KS70 | stew: Sure...I reboot and get the "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" on a self-compiled 2.6.14 kernel. Both udev and devfs are currently installed. It ends in being unable to read /dev/console (really, it can't read any /dev/ files, I guess), and then a kernel panic. |
| 23:23.23 | dpkg | jabber: (Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger), section net, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 149 kB, Installed size: 564 kB |
| 23:23.34 | balo1 | mc on my console still looks funny. google spit out some links, which told me that this related to console-tools and the general console font, but nothing really helpful. anybody ready to change diapers? |
| 23:23.47 | Eno_ | How can I have some modules be loaded when I "ifup wlan0" (There are 4 modules) |
| 23:23.47 | Gnea | DragonD: often, packagename != daemon name |
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| 23:23.59 | beardy | balo1: "funny"? |
| 23:24.08 | DragonD | anyways.... why am i getting a permission denied |
| 23:24.10 | DragonD | ? |
| 23:24.10 | KS70 | stew: I self-compiled hoping to fix this problem, but the same issue happened with deb packaged images. |
| 23:24.17 | stew | DragonD: "apt-cache search jabberd" or "apt-file search jabberd" should have found it anyway |
| 23:24.21 | Gnea | because the permissions aren't set right |
| 23:24.28 | Gnea | gtg |
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| 23:24.39 | Hagfish | any debian legal people in here to give me advice about applying the GPL? |
| 23:24.41 | DragonD | Gnea: yeah i got that |
| 23:24.46 | stew | KS70: devfs doesn't exist at all in 2.6.14, you'll need to remove it |
| 23:24.58 | balo1 | beardy: no graphic characters, all the ncurses-dialogs are not formatted right |
| 23:25.01 | beardy | Hagfish: A mailing list is probably better. |
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| 23:25.08 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. anyone know if I should expect breakage if I change a system users homedir? :) |
| 23:25.14 | KS70 | stew: Ok, but I'm afraid to make my computer unbootable with the only working (2.4) kernel. |
| 23:25.16 | dli | any ab initio packages for debian? |
| 23:25.17 | Hagfish | beardy, i kinda want instant feedback, in a forum that doesn't flame |
| 23:25.19 | stew | DragonD: if you aren't using the debian packages you should be asking in #jabber not here |
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| 23:25.40 | DragonD | stew: yeah i'm gonna try the package |
| 23:25.41 | beardy | Hagfish: Just ask your question, and perhaps someone will answer. |
| 23:25.41 | cisse | Hagfish: what do you want to know about gpl ? |
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| 23:26.01 | Hagfish | i'm trying to apply it to an image, and i have written an interpretation, but it's too long to paste |
| 23:26.17 | beardy | Hagfish: /msg dpkg paste |
| 23:26.24 | Hagfish | how does that work? |
| 23:26.37 | Hagfish | i mean, how would people read it? |
| 23:26.44 | beardy | Hagfish: Type that in your irc client, and follow what it says. |
| 23:27.10 | beardy | Hagfish: When you use a pastebin, you get an url. Paste the url here. |
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| 23:28.08 | Hagfish | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1700 |
| 23:28.10 | aethera | ok got the driver working |
| 23:28.12 | Hagfish | how very civilised |
| 23:28.41 | aethera | ok |
| 23:28.46 | aethera | thanks for the help guys |
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| 23:29.02 | stew | KS70: i don't think removing devfs would make 2.4 unbootable, if you want to verify that, remove devfs from an unused runlevel (3 maybe) then boot into 2.4, then "init 3", and you should end up with a working 2.4 with no devfs |
| 23:29.11 | stew | what is up with apt? |
| 23:29.12 | cripper | perhaps a netsinstall would be a better route |
| 23:29.15 | stew | apt: hi |
| 23:29.15 | apt | bonjour |
| 23:29.36 | KS70 | stew: runlevel 2 is default, right? |
| 23:29.40 | beardy | Hagfish: That was some long lines.. |
| 23:29.50 | Hagfish | err, yes |
| 23:29.55 | stew | KS70: yes |
| 23:30.06 | Hagfish | is there a way of telling it not to do that? |
| 23:30.10 | pem3v78 | Hi. I'm getting unresolved symbols in 'modprobe ndiswrapper.o' with ndis 1.8 and kernel 2.4.32. What am I doing wrong ? I followed the docs. |
| 23:30.11 | noideaatall | guys do you know how to change the default directory where a specific users logs in when he logs through ftp ? |
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| 23:30.31 | KS70 | stew: ok, thanks. I'll give that a try. You figure that devfs running is preventing 2.6 from booting though, correct? |
| 23:30.34 | aethera | why is xcompmrg not in the apt reposotory? |
| 23:30.38 | macsim | noideaatall, proftpd ? |
| 23:30.51 | noideaatall | macsim : huh ? |
| 23:31.01 | macsim | noideaatall, which ftp server ? |
| 23:31.08 | gravity | aethera: It's in experimental |
| 23:31.10 | stew | KS70: it seems likely to me |
| 23:31.23 | aethera | gravity: where did you get that info |
| 23:31.29 | noideaatall | macsim: i dont knowthe ones that comes with fedora ? |
| 23:31.30 | aethera | so I can look there in the future? |
| 23:31.30 | gravity | aethera: Oh... here and there |
| 23:31.38 | gravity | aethera: You could look there now |
| 23:31.38 | pem3v78 | I guess it has something to do with function name decoration. I think the functions are in the kernel but they are named in other way |
| 23:31.42 | macsim | noideaatall, you're in #debian ... |
| 23:31.48 | petemc | noideaatall: apt name :) |
| 23:31.50 | stew | gravity: heh |
| 23:31.56 | Hagfish | beardy, any suggestions? |
| 23:31.58 | pem3v78 | I used the same compiler to compile the kernel and ndis |
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| 23:31.59 | streuner | aethera: /msg dpkg maint xserver-xorg |
| 23:32.01 | KS70 | stew: thanks...I'll be back if this doesn't help. |
| 23:32.02 | beardy | Hagfish: May I ask where you have written it? |
| 23:32.06 | noideaatall | macsim: i know ... i like you people better than the ones there |
| 23:32.08 | noideaatall | hehe |
| 23:32.09 | gravity | I didn't package xcompmgr though |
| 23:32.15 | ootput | not gpl? |
| 23:32.19 | beardy | Hagfish: In which editor I mean. |
| 23:32.21 | Hagfish | beardy, where? i haven't actually used this yet, it's just an example |
| 23:32.23 | Hagfish | oh |
| 23:32.25 | Hagfish | in kwrite |
| 23:32.26 | noideaatall | petemc: what you said ? |
| 23:32.28 | streuner | gravity: who did it? |
| 23:32.29 | macsim | noideaatall, sure, but I don't really know rh ... |
| 23:32.35 | gravity | I won't even be using it. metacity will have one built in, as will most wm's I hope |
| 23:32.37 | justinsmithies | Quick question : How do i stop apt-get upgrade from upgrading certain packages ? |
| 23:32.39 | gravity | Or glxcompmgr, which I will package |
| 23:32.41 | petemc | noideaatall: your name is suitable |
| 23:32.44 | gravity | streuner: I don't honestly remember... |
| 23:32.45 | Hagfish | it's going to appear in an XHTML file, linking the images |
| 23:32.54 | streuner | gravity: hehe |
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| 23:33.03 | noideaatall | lmao |
| 23:33.04 | ootput | justinsmithies: pin versions < than |
| 23:33.05 | gravity | s/firt/first/ |
| 23:33.14 | noideaatall | i know |
| 23:33.22 | justinsmithies | So what would i put to stop apt upgrading webmin ? |
| 23:33.29 | beardy | Hagfish: It seems kwrite doesn't add newlines when "wordwrapping", if it does that when you view it. I guess you have to make the newlines yourself then, or check if kwrite has some options. |
| 23:33.40 | ootput | justinsmithies: which version is it at now? |
| 23:33.44 | streuner | justinsmithies: /msg dpkg hold? |
| 23:34.06 | beardy | Hagfish: (Not that it matters that much, but it would look nicer.) |
| 23:34.17 | jugglinx | hmm, i was changing the RAM in an old box and i put dual and mono of the same type, and since there i get no "video signal" i already change the video card and the monitor... which works... any idea? it could be the ram? |
| 23:34.24 | Hagfish | beardy, true, but why does the webpage use <pre>? |
| 23:34.35 | Hagfish | oh, because of code and stuff |
| 23:34.36 | beardy | Hagfish: Keep it below 80 columns. |
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| 23:34.39 | beardy | Hagfish: Yes. |
| 23:34.52 | Hagfish | it should have a box to select |
| 23:34.59 | beardy | Hagfish: Yeah. |
| 23:35.19 | Hagfish | anyway, beardy, do you know about applying the GPL? do you have to have a mention of the GPL in each file? |
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| 23:35.32 | beardy | Hagfish: It has, but I don't know if that is available when pasting, or only when viewing an already pasted paste. |
| 23:35.44 | Hagfish | or would mentioning it in an HTML file allow you to apply it to images referenced? |
| 23:35.50 | justinsmithies | How do i find out what version i have installed of webmin ? Sorry im new to debian and have just managed to get my mail / dns /http server running. |
| 23:35.58 | beardy | Hagfish: I don't know enough to give you a good answer about that, sorry. |
| 23:36.17 | stew | justinsmithies: "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 23:36.30 | Hagfish | beardy, ah well, thanks for helping me ask the question |
| 23:36.39 | stew | !wikifaq justinsmithies PackageManagement |
| 23:36.39 | dpkg | justinsmithies: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 23:36.49 | kryl | hi |
| 23:36.52 | cisse | Hagfish: i'm fairly certain you don't have to mention it in each file, but don't take4 my word on it |
| 23:36.54 | Hagfish | i had assumed there would be debian-legal folks hanging around, looking for a good flamewar |
| 23:37.05 | aethera | hmmm |
| 23:37.05 | beardy | Hagfish: Perhaps the guys in #gnu can help you, if you ask nicely. |
| 23:37.11 | Hagfish | oh, good point |
| 23:37.12 | Hagfish | thanks |
| 23:37.13 | justinsmithies | webmin version 1.180-3 so would do i do to stop it ever getting upgraded ? |
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| 23:37.21 | aethera | where can I get sources for experimental packages? |
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| 23:37.30 | kryl | is it a good idea to change my woody into sarge or etch with dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:37.34 | azeem | aethera: source code? |
| 23:37.44 | stew | justinsmithies: you don't want security fixes for it? why not? |
| 23:37.44 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/x11/xcompmgr |
| 23:37.48 | azeem | kryl: only go from woody to sarge |
| 23:37.54 | azeem | kryl: and read the release nots |
| 23:37.55 | azeem | notes |
| 23:38.00 | aethera | streuner: for apt? |
| 23:38.02 | stew | justinsmithies: stable wouldn't ever get a new version, only a security fix |
| 23:38.03 | azeem | sarge's release notes, that is |
| 23:38.08 | justinsmithies | I'm going to let webmin upgrade itself using the web interface |
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| 23:38.18 | beardy | kryl: It's the only way. And what azeem said. /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 23:38.33 | nk__ | anyone is experienced in using the suspend2 kernel-patch on debian sargew with kernel 2.6.8? |
| 23:38.38 | streuner | aethera: you need to run unstable in order to use experimental packages... |
| 23:38.39 | kryl | azeem, ok because I need to install debian with debootstrap and I can't install directly sarge or etch :-( |
| 23:38.41 | azeem | kryl: to make it clear, do not try woody->etch directly, this is not supported |
| 23:38.43 | kryl | it's for a laptop |
| 23:38.47 | aethera | streuner: I am runnig etch |
| 23:38.54 | streuner | bad luck then |
| 23:39.01 | kryl | ok but woody -> sarge -> etch is possible ? |
| 23:39.05 | azeem | yes |
| 23:39.13 | justinsmithies | So how do i stop webmin 1.180-3 from being upgraded |
| 23:39.19 | kryl | I don't understand why debootstrap doesn't run with sarge or etch :-( |
| 23:39.24 | SerajewelKS | justinsmithies: mark the package as 'held' |
| 23:39.28 | stew | aethera: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 23:39.33 | justinsmithies | How do i do that |
| 23:39.39 | azeem | !hold |
| 23:39.40 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
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| 23:39.52 | aethera | ok |
| 23:40.05 | streuner | don't even think about to use unstable now |
| 23:40.29 | aethera | streuner: I still rate you can get it too work |
| 23:40.41 | stew | kryl: use debootstrap from sid, it installs cleanly on the other dists |
| 23:41.20 | noideaatall | macsim: can that be change on the .bash files or something like that ? |
| 23:41.32 | stew | kryl: oh wait, you were first talking about dist-upgrade, now debootstrap, so i'm not sure what you are trying to do exactly |
| 23:41.47 | macsim | noideaatall, ? |
| 23:41.59 | kryl | stew ok |
| 23:42.00 | kryl | :) |
| 23:42.04 | justinsmithies | Thankyou guys i have put webmin on hold so it should never be upgraded now ? Have a beer on me ;) |
| 23:42.08 | noideaatall | macsim: ftp directory change |
| 23:42.15 | kryl | so it's not a mirror problem ? |
| 23:42.26 | nk__ | how do I make a debian package out of the source I got with apt-get source package? |
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| 23:42.34 | SerajewelKS | nk__: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:42.34 | stew | kryl: its not uncommon that an old version of debootstrap doesn't work for newer dists |
| 23:42.47 | streuner | aethera: well, you can wait till its in unstable and /msg dpkg simple sid backport, or you get the source and try to make a deb out of it |
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| 23:42.48 | macsim | noideaatall, 1st I tell you, I'm debian user, not rh and if you don't tell me which ftp server you're using I can't help you |
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| 23:43.06 | stew | kryl: but debootstraps dependencies are easily satisfied on any dist, so you can generally install a newer version on an older dist |
| 23:43.10 | nk__ | SerajewelKS: seems to work, thx |
| 23:43.13 | justinsmithies | Good ftp server vsftpd or proftpd ? |
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| 23:43.24 | noideaatall | macsim: any ideas how can i find out what ftp server it is ? |
| 23:43.46 | macsim | noideaatall, ftp localhost, and look at the header |
| 23:43.46 | kryl | ok i well understand |
| 23:44.07 | kryl | thank you very much |
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| 23:44.29 | nuskool | 8 is the new 7 |
| 23:44.31 | macsim | justinsmithies, both |
| 23:44.39 | justinsmithies | ok macsim |
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| 23:44.51 | abrotman | justinsmithies: either |
| 23:44.59 | macsim | justinsmithies, depend what you need ... |
| 23:45.04 | kreg_lt | ubuntu debian based? |
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| 23:45.27 | Azar | kreg_lt: ubuntu yes, debian based but has nothing in common with debian |
| 23:45.56 | kreg_lt | looks like a debian base with a rpm management system |
| 23:45.58 | aethera | apt-file is very nice |
| 23:45.59 | nevyn | well being debian based it has some code in common with debian.. more than say suse has.. but... |
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| 23:46.07 | nevyn | kreg_lt: you're wrong it uses dpkg |
| 23:46.16 | wt | any EVMS scholars in here? |
| 23:46.26 | Azar | kreg_lt: the "debian base" does not mean nothing, ubuntu is ubuntu, not debian and it does not work in same ways |
| 23:46.38 | kreg_lt | ok |
| 23:47.10 | noideaatall | macsim : got "ftp: connect: Connection refused" any other way ? |
| 23:47.27 | macsim | noideaatall, start your ftp service and try again |
| 23:48.15 | biohazrd | where can i find instructions on building a debian system from source? |
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| 23:48.45 | starfishy | methinks you want gentoo, not debian |
| 23:49.11 | stew | biohazrd: why on earth would you want to, debian has servers that build it from source for you |
| 23:49.12 | freyley | anybody know why the netinst sarge cds don't want to install grub? I think they only do this when I'm trying to put lvm on a raid. |
| 23:49.25 | biohazrd | just for fun! |
| 23:49.41 | stew | biohazrd: you can rebuild any pacakge you want with apt-get -b source packagename |
| 23:49.42 | macsim | biohazrd, www.debian.org/doc/ is not a bad way ... |
| 23:49.43 | starfishy | if you need instructions I figure it wont be much fun |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 23:49.49 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
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| 23:49.53 | stew | biohazrd: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 23:50.12 | Pratico | do speak portuguese ? |
| 23:50.15 | abrotman | !br |
| 23:50.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:50.26 | aethera | streuner: I can not find a sid backport for it |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | someday . i'll figure out how portuguese go to -br .. instead of -pt |
| 23:50.39 | noideaatall | macsim: i know im ussing sftp not ftp ... does that help ? |
| 23:50.44 | balo1 | just to avoid any misconceptions: defoma only cares for fonts in X, console fonts are a different story, right? |
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| 23:51.01 | abrotman | !defoma |
| 23:51.01 | dpkg | [defoma] Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
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| 23:51.07 | streuner | aethera: as gravity already said - its in sid/unstable, usually it should go into unstable later |
| 23:51.07 | abrotman | dpkg: you're so smart |
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| 23:51.36 | balo1 | dpkg might be a clever bot, but did not answer the question... |
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| 23:51.40 | gravity | Not unstable... experimental |
| 23:51.47 | gravity | I don't know why he hasn't uploaded it to unstable yet |
| 23:51.52 | streuner | from experimental to unstable |
| 23:51.55 | abrotman | gravity: did 7 go to exp ? |
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| 23:52.23 | gravity | abrotman: Lots of it is sitting in NEW. I've got the drivers and server ready to be signed and uploaded to NEW also. |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:52.35 | macsim | noideaatall, no I don't know sftp |
| 23:52.42 | gravity | abrotman: I'm going to do the apps tonight. That's the last big hurdle. Everything after that is details like the metapackages and such. |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | gravity: and then you get vacation ? |
| 23:53.24 | gravity | abrotman: That's the plan :-) |
| 23:53.35 | gravity | I'm going to relax a bit and maybe do some fun work. Not sure on what, though probably ruby |
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| 23:53.44 | gravity | I'm also going to volunteer to be an AM so we can get some more people through NM |
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| 23:53.53 | stew | yo go girl! |
| 23:53.53 | abrotman | gravity: you could package uhm .. synfig! |
| 23:54.03 | abrotman | stew: wrong channel ? |
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| 23:54.26 | abrotman | gravity: you mean .. someone wants to speed up NM? |
| 23:54.28 | noideaatall | Connecting to localhost... |
| 23:54.30 | noideaatall | The authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established. |
| 23:54.32 | stew | abrotman: what is synfig? |
| 23:54.39 | abrotman | stew: synfig.com |
| 23:54.45 | brendan_ | hi, are updates from security.debian.org ever merged into the main repository(for sarge)? |
| 23:54.46 | noideaatall | then it goes asking for RSA key |
| 23:54.48 | abrotman | stew: last i tried .. didn't even build with gcc4 on x86 yet |
| 23:54.49 | aethera | gravity: have a look at ruby on rails |
| 23:54.54 | hellfire | noideaatall: what is connecting to localhost |
| 23:55.04 | noideaatall | sftp |
| 23:55.14 | gravity | aethera: I played with it. I almost packaged it for Debian, but the current maintainer beat me to it by a bit |
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| 23:55.19 | streuner | abrotman: look at the move of debconf5 |
| 23:55.21 | stew | abrotman: the top entry there contains, "I started packaging it for debian..." |
| 23:55.21 | gravity | I like ruby as a language though. |
| 23:55.23 | noideaatall | i was sftp to localhost |
| 23:55.24 | streuner | s/move/movie/ |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | streuner: huh ? |
| 23:55.31 | gravity | rails isn't really ruby as it's normally written |
| 23:55.34 | hellfire | mmo |
| 23:55.35 | aethera | gravity: I added the sid to my source.list |
| 23:55.36 | noideaatall | i want to change the path where a user logs in when he uses sftp |
| 23:55.37 | hellfire | eh mom |
| 23:55.42 | streuner | abrotman: you didn't see the movies of debconf5? |
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| 23:55.45 | aethera | but it still has not xcompmrg |
| 23:55.47 | gravity | aethera: You won't get xcompmgr that way |
| 23:55.49 | acollins | does anyone know which locks firefox looks for on start up? |
| 23:55.53 | gravity | aethera: I told you. It's in experimental. Not unstable. |
| 23:55.55 | abrotman | streuner: ? |
| 23:55.59 | streuner | hm |
| 23:56.00 | abrotman | stew: that's new |
| 23:56.07 | acollins | my machine crashed and it still thinks it's runnning |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | stew: and last i tried .. still didn't build on gcc4(a few weeks ago) |
| 23:56.11 | aethera | gravity: where can I read up on how to use experimental package? |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
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| 23:56.30 | beardy | streuner: Where can they be found? |
| 23:56.37 | gravity | aethera: abrotman is pretty well right. I recommend google and man apt_preferences |
| 23:56.37 | hellfire | noideaatall: can you ssh to localhost? |
| 23:56.58 | abrotman | pretty well? .. i think i'm 100% right :) |
| 23:56.58 | noideaatall | hell fire, yes, i can, and can sftp too |
| 23:57.03 | gravity | aethera: If you can't figure it out from those two sources, you don't need the eye candy as bad as you need basic debian knowledge |
| 23:57.18 | noideaatall | thats not the problem ... what i want is to change the path where a user logs in through sftp |
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| 23:57.34 | gravity | Especially because I'll be breaking anyone's X who's running experimental in a cavalier manner ASAP |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | stew: it's a cool looking app though |
| 23:58.01 | hellfire | nodieaatall: oh then i misunderstood. |
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| 23:58.20 | noideaatall | for example when a user "hellfire" logs in ... i dont want him to go to /home/hellfire i want him to go to /etc/ for example |
| 23:58.20 | aethera | gravity: I moved from BSD |
| 23:58.21 | aethera | :) |
| 23:58.32 | noideaatall | any one ? any ideas ??? |
| 23:58.36 | gravity | aethera: Well, then you should be good to go. |
| 23:58.48 | Amarande | though |
| 23:58.50 | Amarande | if they did |
| 23:58.50 | aethera | jkust the package manament is weird |
| 23:58.50 | hellfire | noideaatall: then you have to change his homedirectory. |
| 23:58.52 | dragonfly | stew: thank you for the tidbit, it was very helpful, however, how do i get dhclient.conf to read /etc/hostname for the hostname to send |
| 23:58.56 | Amarande | well ... I don't think they have IRC in Bedlam heh |
| 23:59.12 | gravity | Amarande: It's not really possible. experimental isn't a full distro |
| 23:59.15 | noideaatall | hellfire : what file to change that in ? $home/.bash ? |
| 23:59.32 | gravity | Amarande: But I'm sure some people have experimental pinned to be their default to live on the bleeding edge |
| 23:59.35 | streuner | beardy: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/ |
| 23:59.36 | hellfire | noideaatall: you change that with the command 'usermod'. |
| 23:59.46 | macsim | noideaatall, /etc/passwd |
| 23:59.47 | abrotman | Amarande: you can't |
