| 00:00.27 | dragonfly | stew: thank you for the tidbit, it was very helpful, however, how do i get dhclient.conf to read /etc/hostname for the hostname to send |
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| 00:01.37 | Shadowcat | gravity: I sometimes run experimental packages.... in a chroot |
| 00:01.45 | gravity | Shadowcat: I have some installed |
| 00:01.50 | noideaatall | wow thankyou guys! |
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| 00:02.04 | Shadowcat | gravity: crazy |
| 00:02.07 | gravity | I have xcompmgr installed, but I'm not running it |
| 00:02.29 | gravity | I'll be running the experimental xorg 7.0 packages as soon as they're ready to be run for real |
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| 00:02.41 | gravity | That's a little ways away though |
| 00:03.05 | hellfire | bye the way whats the difference between xorg and xfree86 ? |
| 00:03.21 | hellfire | s/bye/by/ |
| 00:03.23 | gravity | hellfire: Different upstreams. xorg is a fork from xfree86 due to a license change |
| 00:03.31 | gravity | hellfire: As a result, they've diverged a bit over time. |
| 00:03.41 | hellfire | gravity: ah! ok. |
| 00:03.42 | gravity | I don't even know what's going on with xfree86 any more |
| 00:03.49 | aethera | ok gravity hot it working |
| 00:04.03 | gravity | aethera: Cool. Hope you enjoy xcompmgr |
| 00:04.18 | pipeline | gravity, hellfire : Nothing. Since the fork, development's ground to a halt. |
| 00:04.19 | gravity | The drivers aren't ready for it on my machine |
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| 00:05.20 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | pipeline: development of what ? |
| 00:05.26 | Shadowcat | xfree86 dug it's own grave |
| 00:05.31 | Shadowcat | oh well... who cares |
| 00:05.33 | deadcat | aethera: ya. xcompmgr here as well (= very well |
| 00:05.34 | xored_ | someone has a goot howto to downgrad debian sarge to stable. I installed stable, but then installed some unstable and now trying to downgrade |
| 00:05.44 | Shadowcat | xored_: you don't |
| 00:05.50 | pipeline | abrotman: xf86. 4.4 and 4.5 have virtually nothing added :| |
| 00:05.54 | Shadowcat | !downgrade |
| 00:05.54 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 00:05.56 | deadcat | well... pretty well, not very well |
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| 00:06.15 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm not sure what X6.9 has really added ... my driver still implodes due to a certain GL screensaver :) |
| 00:06.32 | xored_ | Shadowcat: ? |
| 00:06.50 | aethera | brb |
| 00:06.51 | aethera | exit |
| 00:06.52 | pipeline | abrotman: X 6.9 actually includes something big: the whole "EXA" thing, which makes render accel halfway practical under open source drivers. |
| 00:07.05 | Shadowcat | !tell xored_ about downgrade |
| 00:07.13 | nevyn | and X7.0 is the same but modular ;) |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | pipeline: maybe it's more important if you play games and stuff .. or have a newer card |
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| 00:08.00 | pipeline | abrotman: Render acceleration is one of the few things that matters for real. Makes konsole/gnome-terminal and web browsers move quickly :P |
| 00:08.14 | pipeline | abrotman: Ever notice how much faster it is to compile things in rxvt/xterm than konsole/gnome-terminal ? |
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| 00:08.23 | pipeline | abrotman: It sure as shit isn't because xterm is in any way less bolated than konsole... |
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| 00:08.37 | abrotman | pipeline: no .. i use xterm :) |
| 00:08.48 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. Take a look at apt-get source xterm sometime. Sickening. |
| 00:08.53 | xored_ | Shadowcat: hmm. i just need to downgrad libnscuses5, but when i want to deinstall the current, he asks me to deinstall the half system. Can i just force to install the old one ? |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | with my contacts out i might use gnome-terminal |
| 00:09.10 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, surely you use a web browser :p |
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| 00:09.50 | abrotman | pipeline: web? |
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| 00:09.51 | beardy | pipeline: If you close the window, it would be equally slow, wouldn't it? (or fast, depending on your general view on things :) ) |
| 00:10.03 | abrotman | pipeline: have i got a kick ass gopher site for you! |
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| 00:10.22 | pipeline | beardy: Heh, that actually depends. I think if you change tabs, you'll lose the overhead, but merely having it minimized, it'll still continuously render and chew CPU time. |
| 00:10.31 | stew | xored_: you upgraded libc6 to testing and you cannot downgrade libc6, you must now fully upgrade to testing or reinstall unstable |
| 00:10.32 | k-man | how can i check that the ide driver that loaded found my ide cd rom drive? |
| 00:10.33 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh. Render acceleration makes web browsers noticably less pokey :P |
| 00:10.39 | starscalling | hey i was doing a debian server install on a p3 this weekend with someone over the phone... and after the install failed the machine refused to even boot from the install disk... any clues as to what could cause something like that??? |
| 00:10.44 | k-man | i can't see any reference to it in dmesg |
| 00:10.52 | gravity | EXA isn't really ready for general use though |
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| 00:10.56 | abrotman | pipeline: i use opera .. laptop is 2.4Ghz .. 768MB .. define pokey :) |
| 00:11.07 | gravity | There's tuning going on to make it work, but right now there's some basic and difficult problems to solve first |
| 00:11.08 | hellfire | starscalling: are there any errormessages? |
| 00:11.16 | Dwonis | So I finally get a dual-head setup, what what do I do? I waste one of the monitors for IRC. :-/ |
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| 00:11.21 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, you're trading off pokiness for ugly fonts. I'm pretty sure Opera for UNIX uses unsmoothed fonts for that very reason :P |
| 00:11.26 | pipeline | Dwonis: Uh, way to be? |
| 00:11.31 | typewriter | how much space does a minimum debian install take? (sarge) ? |
| 00:11.33 | xored_ | stew: what do you exactly mean ? So i cannot revoert that i intalled libc6, so iam not able to go back anymore ? |
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| 00:11.37 | starscalling | hellfire, didnt seem to be that i recall.. but again im not physcially there.. |
| 00:11.46 | stew | xored_: yes |
| 00:11.54 | abrotman | pipeline: not sure .. i'm not a fonts person .. i'd be happy if my entire X used a single font |
| 00:12.01 | beardy | xored_: Go back from what to what? |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | typewriter: 200MB .. or so |
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| 00:12.21 | abrotman | typewriter: that's not much though |
| 00:12.25 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, I use a grand total of two fonts: sans and monospace. Even for the web. But I like them to be anti-aliased. :P |
| 00:12.26 | xored_ | beardy: i haa stable installed and upgraded libncurse5, now i want to downgrade it |
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| 00:12.29 | KS70 | stew: Ok, I'm back. Uninstalling devfs made my system effectively unbootable. It gets partway through, can't find drives, then ends up erroring with the runlevels respawning too fast and I never get a console to fix it. :( |
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| 00:12.34 | nevyn | abrotman: ewww... die |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | nevyn: ? |
| 00:12.41 | pipeline | KS70: Sounds like you have a bad initrd. |
| 00:12.42 | nevyn | abrotman: one font to rule them all |
| 00:12.49 | beardy | xored_: By upgrading to testing? |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | nevyn: that's what i said |
| 00:12.50 | nevyn | abrotman: lots of fonts good |
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| 00:12.55 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | fonts suck |
| 00:13.00 | abrotman | especially in linux |
| 00:13.01 | xored_ | beardy: no i want to downgrade |
| 00:13.01 | stew | KS70: what are you passing as root= to the kernel? |
| 00:13.02 | pipeline | KS70: The "respawning" problem is from getty or whatever crashing over and over because there's no console device. |
| 00:13.08 | nevyn | abrotman: they suck more in windows. |
| 00:13.15 | pipeline | KS70: My advice to you is to just continue to use devfs. udev is a bitch :| |
| 00:13.16 | xored_ | beardy: cause i want to recompile my kernel |
| 00:13.20 | abrotman | right . drop them in a folder . it's horrible |
| 00:13.23 | KS70 | stew: that's back on the 2.4 kernel, as even with devfs uninstalled it complains of the devfs error. |
| 00:13.28 | finger | can anybody tell me how can I create installation packages like the one that nvidia has (a bash script that contains the archive also) |
| 00:13.36 | abrotman | i can't figure out why some apps have fontX and others have fontY |
| 00:13.42 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, gnome actually makes fonts work that way. Add font files to ~/.fonts and they "just work" |
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| 00:13.47 | KS70 | stew: unsure, at this point. I can't get to a console to check. |
| 00:13.50 | kryl | bye all ;) |
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| 00:13.55 | abrotman | pipeline: do they make free fonts? |
| 00:13.56 | stew | KS70: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 00:14.08 | KS70 | stew: lilo |
| 00:14.15 | beardy | xored_: Are you running stable or testing now? |
| 00:14.17 | pipeline | abrotman: There are only a couple of dfsg-free fonts. Fonts available under a reasonable license, though, there's a few dozen. |
| 00:14.32 | pipeline | abrotman: Hundreds if you include type1 fonts and international stuff... |
| 00:14.43 | xored_ | beardy: half halt, first i installed stable, then i upgraded some stuff |
| 00:14.48 | pipeline | abrotman: Thousands if you include wonky, stupid fonts that aren't used for anything but making annoying clipart. |
| 00:14.58 | stew | KS70: did you try booting in single user? |
| 00:15.21 | KS70 | stew: nope, not yet...you going to be here for a bit? I can go give it a try. |
| 00:15.34 | beardy | xored_: Why can't you run stable? So you don't knwo what you are running now? |
| 00:15.39 | KS70 | stew: I really need to get any kernel running at this point. |
| 00:15.39 | abrotman | pipeline: i use one font |
| 00:15.44 | stew | KS70: i'll be in and out, but lots of people here should be able to help you in any case |
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| 00:15.51 | abrotman | pipeline: or i would .. if people didn't pick others |
| 00:15.55 | beardy | xored_: Anyway, downgrading is not possible. |
| 00:15.59 | KS70 | stew: Ok, just trying to avoid reexplaining. |
| 00:16.05 | KS70 | brb |
| 00:16.17 | pipeline | abrotman: I just don't use any non-GTK applications. |
| 00:16.19 | stew | KS70: and the newer kernels won't boot either? |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | pipeline: that's a good plan |
| 00:16.28 | xored_ | beardy: hmm, can i somehow use a other kernel version which needs the current libncurses to compile ? |
| 00:16.29 | pipeline | abrotman: Everything uses my chosen font all the time. |
| 00:16.44 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, other than goddamn emacs. But emacs has its own font *format* for chrissakes. |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | pipeline: i just let the app use whatever font they choose :) |
| 00:17.34 | pipeline | abrotman: So I use emacs inside a terminal to avoid its decrepit X interface... |
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| 00:17.34 | stew | xored_: i don't think any kenrel version cares what version of ncurses you have for compiling, and you don't need it at all if you make config instead of menuconfig |
| 00:17.35 | beardy | xored_: I don't really understand what you want to do? Isn't it possible to compile kernels under testing? |
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| 00:17.35 | stew | xored_: and why do you need to compile in the first place? |
| 00:17.41 | Shadowcat | stew: hahaha make config |
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| 00:17.54 | Shadowcat | stew: I'd rather edit the .config by hand than use make config |
| 00:18.03 | xored_ | stew: i want to disable thinks which make overhead like ipv6 and stuff |
| 00:18.03 | Shadowcat | make config is just pure torture |
| 00:18.09 | stew | xored_: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 00:18.16 | stew | xored_: just blacklist ipv6 |
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| 00:18.24 | xored_ | i tried that stew , it doesnt work for ipv6 |
| 00:18.38 | Shadowcat | liar |
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| 00:18.44 | Shadowcat | you can blacklist all the ipv6 modules |
| 00:18.55 | stew | xored_: then rename the .ko to .ko.HIDE and "depmod -a" |
| 00:19.07 | stew | xored_: what exactly did you try btw? |
| 00:19.12 | xored_ | Shadowcat: all ? |
| 00:19.16 | xored_ | stew: one second |
| 00:19.27 | Shadowcat | you can blacklist anything that's a module |
| 00:19.34 | pipeline | abrotman: You should really try gnome or KDE some time. The UNIX desktop isn't a rude joke any more :P |
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| 00:19.37 | Shadowcat | and turn off everything else with an off switch at boot |
| 00:19.42 | stew | Shadowcat: not in etch due to some bugs, but in theory |
| 00:19.45 | Shadowcat | although I wouldn't recommend it |
| 00:20.04 | Shadowcat | stew: I run sid |
| 00:20.05 | pipeline | abrotman: You still need obscene amounts of RAM to use a UNIX desktop, but unlike the bad old days, you get your money's worth now :P |
| 00:20.09 | hellfire | abrotman: you have no graphical interface running? |
| 00:20.20 | Shadowcat | abrotman's a BOFH |
| 00:20.23 | Shadowcat | an old one |
| 00:20.36 | hellfire | shadowcat: what is a bofh? |
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| 00:20.47 | Shadowcat | **bofh |
| 00:20.52 | Shadowcat | !bofh |
| 00:20.53 | dpkg | it has been said that bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net, or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/ |
| 00:21.07 | hellfire | ah |
| 00:21.08 | Shadowcat | darn infobots, I always mix up the triggers |
| 00:21.10 | xored_ | stew: i added skip ipv6 to /etc/discover.conf |
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| 00:21.30 | k-man | how can i work out which process is using a kernel module? |
| 00:21.34 | stew | xored_: do you run either udev or hotplug? if so, which? |
| 00:21.40 | xored_ | stew: and i added ipv6 to the blacklist. But after a reboot it still active |
| 00:21.54 | xored_ | stew: how to find that out ? |
| 00:21.58 | KS70 | stew: nope, they won't boot either...still complaining about not knowing what to do with devfs. I've managed to get to a console now, after softlinking /dev/hda1 to /dev/ide/....../part1 |
| 00:22.03 | stew | xored_: dpkg -l hotplug udev |
| 00:22.16 | Shadowcat | stew: my guess is he's running both |
| 00:22.20 | abrotman | pipeline: i use gnome now |
| 00:22.31 | pipeline | abrotman: No shit. |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | pipeline: doesn't mean i'm a font freak |
| 00:22.33 | stew | KS70: its complaining about not knowing what to do with devfs, even though it's not installed? |
| 00:22.34 | KS70 | stew: I've checked and devfsd is definitely uninstalled and not running. I'm wondering if it's the initrd image that's looking for devfs |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | pipeline: but i let it use whatever fonts they choose . i'm not picky |
| 00:22.45 | xored_ | Shadowcat: maybe you stop your sarcasm ? |
| 00:22.51 | pipeline | KS70: Your initrd probably just doesn't have a big enough set of static devices. |
| 00:23.00 | stew | KS70: there is no way a 2.6.{14,15} initrd has any knowlege of devfs |
| 00:23.19 | KS70 | stew: Seriously, I'm just relaying the errors on this one. |
| 00:23.22 | xored_ | Shadowcat: not everybody is used to linux as maybe you are, but i bet you got things yu are not that good in... |
| 00:23.30 | stew | xored_: i don't think it was sarcasm |
| 00:23.42 | stew | xored_: if you don't like his comments, use /ignore and move on |
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| 00:23.53 | xored_ | it really soudn like : "you are so damn supid, you run both" |
| 00:23.59 | pipeline | xored_: There's only eight hundred other people here to help you :P |
| 00:24.04 | stew | KS70: so you boot a 2.6.{14,15} kernel and get what error? |
| 00:24.06 | xored_ | ;) |
| 00:24.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:24.17 | finger | I found it: Makeself |
| 00:24.18 | gnufan | Any know issues with Postgres installers in Sid today? |
| 00:24.23 | Amarande | is there any way to tell what the static devices in your system are without first unmounting devfs ... |
| 00:24.26 | pipeline | gnufan: Nope. My postgres works fine. |
| 00:24.33 | KS70 | stew: I'll have to go back and write it down...on the other side of the office right now. |
| 00:24.34 | pipeline | Amarande: Not practically, no. |
| 00:24.39 | gnufan | pipeline: what version? |
| 00:24.43 | Amarande | more specifically, in general |
| 00:24.45 | KS70 | stew: after another reboot, of course |
| 00:24.51 | pipeline | gnufan: the latest in sid.... 8.1 |
| 00:24.52 | Amarande | if a mount-point directory has files in it before something's mounted onto it |
| 00:24.53 | gnufan | pipeline: I think I just have some stray files from an earlier install |
| 00:24.59 | xored_ | stew: iam using hoplug, as no version of udef is installed |
| 00:25.01 | Amarande | is there any practical way to 'see' the contents without unmounting the other thing? |
| 00:25.39 | KS70 | stew: anything you want me to check before I reboot and get this info? |
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| 00:25.51 | pipeline | gnufan: upgrading from 7.0 or 8.0 to 8.1 is kind of hairy. Consult the Postgres documentation. :\ |
| 00:25.57 | DragonD | Does debain have jabber2? |
| 00:26.09 | xored_ | KS70: whats your problam ? |
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| 00:26.27 | xored_ | KS70: you cannot mount root partition or smth on boot with the new kernel ? |
| 00:26.31 | Dwonis | DragonD: Personally, I use ejabberd |
| 00:26.36 | gnufan | pipeline: I just want a clean database on this box for testing.. no upgrade required (hopefully) doing the desparate -> find / -name "postgres*" |
| 00:26.43 | stew | KS70: i think you should try single user mode, i think you should try passing a root=/dev/hd?? option to the kernel, and i'd be curious about what errors you are getting from a 2.6.{14,15} kernel |
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| 00:27.01 | KS70 | xored_: can't get a 2.6 kernel to boot, stew thinks it's because devfsd is running, but I uninstalled that and still get problems. |
| 00:27.04 | stew | xored_: did you edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist? |
| 00:27.10 | pipeline | gnufan: Why not just purge and reinstall? |
| 00:27.11 | xored_ | stew: yes |
| 00:27.12 | KS70 | stew: alright, brb |
| 00:27.22 | xored_ | KS70: had the same problem. So you have SATA |
| 00:27.32 | xored_ | KS70: ? |
| 00:27.39 | gnufan | pipeline: I did - urm it complains of an unset variable during the reinstall |
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| 00:28.08 | pipeline | gnufan: did you make sure to /purge/ and reinstall? Not just uninstall, not just reinstall. |
| 00:28.13 | stew | xored_: well the option of just renaming the ipv6.ko and rerunning "depmod -a" should work in any case |
| 00:28.16 | xored_ | stew: i added "ipv6" there |
| 00:28.31 | xored_ | stew: where is this file located ? |
| 00:28.41 | xored_ | stew: in that "device" folder ? |
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| 00:28.49 | stew | xored_: did you add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 00:29.04 | xored_ | one second, stew |
| 00:29.06 | stew | xored_: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name ipv6.ko |
| 00:29.32 | KS70 | xored_: yep, SATA. |
| 00:29.44 | xored_ | KS70: then i can help you |
| 00:29.44 | KS70 | stew: same error...will begin typing now... |
| 00:29.54 | xored_ | KS70: i know whats up |
| 00:29.58 | gnufan | pipeline: I think I purged - anyway third time lucky -- it is only to test some web software.... punbb |
| 00:30.02 | stew | KS70: oh, you should realize that sata drives in 2.4 would be /dev/hd and in 2.6 would be /dev/sd |
| 00:30.03 | KS70 | xored_: ok cool....help me :) |
| 00:30.08 | DragonD | Dwonis: does ejabberd support mysql? |
| 00:30.21 | xored_ | KS70: take a look at your SCI configuration and switch on SCSI-genric and IDE driver |
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| 00:30.32 | treyh0 | approx rocks |
| 00:30.37 | KS70 | stew: ah...I assume /etc/fstab would have to be changed then |
| 00:30.41 | xored_ | KS70: i got the same problem here on my ubuntu laptop |
| 00:30.56 | KS70 | xored_: which config params? |
| 00:30.58 | xored_ | KS70: form what kernel are you upgrading ? |
| 00:31.02 | stew | KS70: yes, and unless you have changed your lilo.conf, you would have to pass a root= line to get it booted |
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| 00:31.16 | xored_ | KS70: is your first HDD name hda or sda ? |
| 00:31.35 | KS70 | under 2.4 it's /dev/hda |
| 00:31.35 | xored_ | ok |
| 00:31.37 | xored_ | then you ned to change |
| 00:31.47 | xored_ | the root mounting, as the new kernel changes the names |
| 00:31.48 | KS70 | xored_: /boot is /dev/hda1, / is /dev/hda3 |
| 00:31.50 | xored_ | to sda |
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| 00:32.00 | xored_ | change it to sda and sda3 |
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| 00:32.07 | Dwonis | DragonD: I guess you can do it via a third-party module, such as http://ejabberd.jabber.ru/check_mysql_php |
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| 00:32.11 | Dwonis | DragonD: I've never done it, myself |
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| 00:32.20 | xored_ | if that doesnt work, you still got to activate the SCSI generic support to get SATA running(libata) |
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| 00:32.43 | KS70 | xored_: ok, will go give it a try right now...thanks |
| 00:32.45 | Amarande | wait, if 's' is sata now, then what's SCSI? |
| 00:32.49 | xored_ | stew: i dont have the second file ( modprobe/blacklist, should i create it ? |
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| 00:33.21 | xored_ | KS70: are you using grub or lilo ? |
| 00:33.30 | stew | xored_: it was modprobe.d/blacklist, and you should definately have it |
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| 00:34.22 | Dwonis | DragonD: There may still be an unofficial apt source for jabber2, as well |
| 00:34.44 | Dwonis | DragonD: I never got around to figuring out how to use it, since it was more complicated than I needed. |
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| 00:35.24 | stew | xored_: what version of module-init-tools do you have installed? |
| 00:36.02 | xored_ | stew : how to get it ? |
| 00:36.03 | xored_ | !paste |
| 00:36.03 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 00:36.24 | stew | xored_: dpkg -l module-init-tools | tail -1 |
| 00:36.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:36.32 | Nigromante | hi |
| 00:37.13 | xored_ | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1701 |
| 00:37.37 | xored_ | stew : ii module-init-to 3.2-pre1-2 tools for managing Linux kernel modules |
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| 00:38.36 | stew | xored_: that is an old version, you should apt-get install module-init-tools, then if you still don't have blacklist, create it |
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| 00:39.40 | xored_ | stew: he says me, its the newest version. is it unstable ? |
| 00:40.19 | blazefx | should I be worried if my chkrootkit tells me my /sbin/dhclient which is a daemon to dynamically update my dns recors as a packet sniffer |
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| 00:40.48 | stew | !info module-init-tools testing |
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| 00:40.58 | dpkg | module-init-tools: (tools for managing Linux kernel modules), section admin, is important. Version: 3.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 00:41.15 | stew | xored_: either your sources.list are wrong or you need to apt-get update |
| 00:41.42 | stew | xored_: omg, i forgot, you were the one trying to downgrade, weren't you |
| 00:41.55 | stew | xored_: you need to fully upgrade to testing, or reinstall sarge from scratch |
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| 00:42.29 | nixx | I have an AC97 card with analog and SPDIF output. I have configured Alsa to use the spdif by default by using .asoundrc. I am using Alsa's OSS emulation, but cannot find a way to configure OSS to use the SPDIF output by default. Does someone know where to set this? |
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| 00:42.53 | xored_ | stew :http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 00:43.03 | xored_ | stew : do i really HAVE to ? |
| 00:43.08 | stew | xored_: yes |
| 00:43.11 | xored_ | :/ |
| 00:43.17 | stew | xored_: what do you expect me to paste? |
| 00:43.26 | xored_ | oh sorry |
| 00:43.39 | xored_ | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1703 |
| 00:43.44 | xored_ | stew: my fault |
| 00:44.10 | stew | ugh |
| 00:44.14 | stew | xored_: #kanotix |
| 00:44.20 | xored_ | ? |
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| 00:44.37 | stew | what are you doing with kanotix lines in there? |
| 00:44.40 | gravity | ugh |
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| 00:45.14 | Shadowcat | stew: he wants to fuck things up, that's why |
| 00:45.14 | xored_ | stew: why ? is it bad ? i mean its uncommented. I wanted to comile the new nxserver.. ? |
| 00:45.29 | xored_ | Shadowcat: no comment.. |
| 00:45.38 | Shadowcat | idiot |
| 00:45.39 | stew | xored_: in any case, you shouldn't be running part stable part testing |
| 00:45.45 | Shadowcat | you don't go and mix deb repositories |
| 00:45.46 | stew | Shadowcat: no need for name calling |
| 00:45.48 | Shadowcat | that's just STUPID |
| 00:45.54 | stew | Shadowcat: just use ignore please |
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| 00:46.09 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 00:46.36 | suthink | guys, when extracting some larger .rar files with unrar I'm getting an error that "File size limit exceeded" |
| 00:46.41 | stew | Shadowcat: i'd really appreciate if you would stop doing that |
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| 00:46.47 | suthink | what's that all about? I definitely haven't run out of space on the disk |
| 00:46.52 | xored_ | stew: so there will be no way to just disable ipv6 until i find time to rol up the whole system to stable ? |
| 00:46.56 | Shadowcat | suthink: which version of unrar? |
| 00:47.10 | deadcat | gravity: you have a website? |
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| 00:47.12 | stew | xored_: i've told you more than one way |
| 00:47.15 | gravity | deadcat: Not really |
| 00:47.23 | QueryHamster | any staffers here? |
| 00:47.25 | deadcat | gravity: so no screenshots online? |
| 00:47.37 | gravity | deadcat: Of... what? |
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| 00:47.39 | stew | QueryHamster: #freenode |
| 00:47.40 | xored_ | stew: the one with the "blacklist" wont work cause i have that "old package" right ? |
| 00:47.43 | stew | QueryHamster: or /stats -p |
| 00:47.46 | QueryHamster | they sent me here |
| 00:47.46 | suthink | Shadowcat: 3.4.3 |
| 00:47.47 | deadcat | gravity: your desktop |
| 00:47.47 | QueryHamster | :P |
| 00:47.51 | stew | xored_: you need to upgrade anyway |
| 00:48.00 | QueryHamster | thanks stew |
| 00:48.03 | gravity | deadcat: Uh... you want to see my desktop? Why? |
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| 00:48.14 | gravity | I mean... I can show it but it's just a lot of gnome and stuff |
| 00:48.16 | Shadowcat | suthink: umm are you using unrar free or unrar-nonfree? |
| 00:48.26 | deadcat | gravity: well. you work on xorg, so i figure how the maintainer's xorg setup is (= |
| 00:48.31 | xored_ | stew: i do not want to upgrade to testing. I just want to deactivate ipv6 until i find time on the weeking to reinstall he whole system |
| 00:48.43 | stew | xored_: you get no more help from me |
| 00:48.46 | gravity | deadcat: Meh, I just use what I like. I grew up on the mac so I've got something of a mac-like setup |
| 00:48.46 | deadcat | gravity: it would be funny if you only use console hahah |
| 00:48.59 | xored_ | stew: did i something wrong ? |
| 00:49.03 | stew | xored_: yep |
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| 00:49.04 | deadcat | gravity: now i GOT to see that (= |
| 00:49.07 | suthink | Shadowcat: 3.5.4 actually, sorry. I'm using non-free |
| 00:49.10 | stew | xored_: you mixed stable and testing packages |
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| 00:49.20 | gravity | deadcat: Well, my first virtual desktop is all consoles really |
| 00:49.30 | Shadowcat | suthink: wtf are you trying to unrar? A backup of the Internet? |
| 00:49.31 | kspath | websites can suck up time and prevent/distract/confuzzle those working on 1 or more real projects unless the website(s) are their projekt(s) |
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| 00:49.36 | xored_ | stew: it was my first debian system...why do people expect others to do no mistakes ? |
| 00:49.48 | sandman | xored_: Documentation! |
| 00:49.55 | xored_ | stew: did you learned to use linux witout one mistake ? |
| 00:49.58 | Shadowcat | xored_: we don't, we expect you to listen to us when we tell you how to fix things |
| 00:50.04 | suthink | Shadowcat: nope, why? |
| 00:50.09 | suthink | it's only a few gigs |
| 00:50.10 | Shadowcat | and if you don't, we stop helping you, it's as simple as that |
| 00:50.10 | gravity | A better question is why people feel the need to install from kanotix |
| 00:50.14 | suthink | Shadowcat: what limit does it have? |
| 00:50.19 | stew | xored_: i don't, i'm telling you how to fix it, you don't want to, i don't want to help you with your broken system, i just want to help you fix it |
| 00:50.21 | Shadowcat | suthink: I've extracted dual layer dvds with that binary |
| 00:50.22 | kspath | xored_: and advice from those that know should be listened to and/or researched. |
| 00:50.26 | Shadowcat | you have something else going on |
| 00:50.43 | xored_ | stew: i understand, no need to get angry |
| 00:50.54 | stew | xored_: i'm not at all angry, just trying to explain |
| 00:50.56 | suthink | Shadowcat: I've extracted things larger than this before too; no idea why I'm getting this now :( |
| 00:51.04 | xored_ | xored_: you gave me to options : upgrading full to testing or reinstall the whole system |
| 00:51.11 | kspath | xored_: stew might be annoyed but not angry. |
| 00:51.15 | suthink | shadowcat: I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that I'm extracting on a vfat partition |
| 00:51.15 | sbk | Is there a HOWTO with the following info? Friend of mine wants to install debian on a machine with hardware that doesn't have a driver bundled by default. (Adaptec AIC-9405) Is there a way for him to extract a driver/kernel and install a base system? (all drives are connected via that controller, so he can't install even a base system without that driver present.) |
| 00:51.21 | Shadowcat | xored_: if you don't like those options, tough, deal with it |
| 00:51.27 | xored_ | stew: i cannot do that just right away, i mean its not a thing of 5 seconds |
| 00:51.36 | Shadowcat | sbk: create a custom cd |
| 00:51.46 | Shadowcat | xored_: stop whining, we freaking get it |
| 00:51.46 | stew | xored_: that's fine |
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| 00:51.52 | xored_ | Shadowcat: you just got on ignore, repsect |
| 00:52.05 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 00:52.13 | sandman | He doesn't get it. |
| 00:52.16 | Shadowcat | like that's gonna get xored_ any more help |
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| 00:52.23 | sandman | That's okay, newcomers are always this way. |
| 00:52.23 | Shadowcat | sandman: no apparently not |
| 00:52.32 | sandman | Shadowcat: Yeah. |
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| 00:52.41 | Shadowcat | sandman: yup and they end up getting the entire channel to ignore them |
| 00:52.41 | sandman | Shadowcat: He'll be back. They always come crawling back. |
| 00:52.49 | sandman | Shadowcat: That too. lol |
| 00:52.52 | stew | sandman: sandman enough... |
| 00:52.53 | Shadowcat | suthink: how big is the extracted file? |
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| 00:53.02 | sandman | stew: Sorry. |
| 00:53.11 | Shadowcat | suthink: you can't create files larger than 4gb on FAT32 |
| 00:53.15 | hellfire | how can i find files which have the s bit set? |
| 00:53.15 | Shadowcat | it's a KOWN limitation |
| 00:53.15 | xored_ | i thought the guys in here are a bit older, not that pointing on their big ego |
| 00:53.21 | stew | sandman: the second S was supposed to tabcomplete magically on its own |
| 00:53.28 | hellfire | like rwsrwsrws |
| 00:53.39 | Shadowcat | hellfire: ls -l |
| 00:53.48 | Shadowcat | ls -al |
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| 00:53.54 | xored_ | i meaned i know you all are experienced users, all spend a lot of time learning that all. But believe me, you maybe did some mistakes.. |
| 00:53.57 | hellfire | shadowcat: i mean on the whole filesystem |
| 00:54.09 | Shadowcat | hellfire: dude you DON'T want to do that |
| 00:54.15 | xored_ | stew: so i will roll back next weekend, thank you for your time and help |
| 00:54.20 | gravity | xored_: We know. We don't care if you made a mistake. It's fine. Just get on with your life. |
| 00:54.22 | alexk | hello.. how do i see the amount of disk activity that is going on? |
| 00:54.23 | stew | xored_: yes, we understand, we help people who have made mistakes 24/7 in here, i don't understand what you think we are doing wrong |
| 00:54.23 | hellfire | shadowcat: oh i sure want to. |
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| 00:54.35 | suthink | Shadowcat: ahh, knew that could've been it... |
| 00:54.40 | xored_ | stew: not you at all |
| 00:54.40 | suthink | Shadowcat: it's 4.6 gigs or so |
| 00:54.47 | Shadowcat | hellfire: ls -al / | grep rwsrwsrws | less |
| 00:55.01 | Shadowcat | suthink: there's your problem then |
| 00:55.01 | suthink | vfat can really suck |
| 00:55.11 | Shadowcat | err |
| 00:55.12 | Shadowcat | wait |
| 00:55.13 | xored_ | stew: i just catched things like idiot or stupid together with my name. I mean there is really absolute no reasons for that |
| 00:55.18 | Shadowcat | hellfire: ls -alR / | grep rwsrwsrws | less |
| 00:55.23 | Shadowcat | that's the command, forgot -R |
| 00:55.45 | hellfire | shadowcat: i mean the s bit in any variation. find can do something with the -perm option but it i dont seem to do it right -> find / -perm u+s |
| 00:55.50 | suthink | Shadowcat: thank you; your help in this matter is appreciated :) |
| 00:55.51 | stew | xored_: i agree. use /ignore and move on |
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| 00:56.07 | Shadowcat | hellfire: man find then |
| 00:56.16 | Shadowcat | I'm not using a unix system at the moment |
| 00:56.18 | gnufan | Okay punbb is cool - kind of a bit minimalist by default - but valid mark-up, and just like every other php BB you ever used in appearance. |
| 00:56.18 | hellfire | already done. no success. |
| 00:56.22 | Shadowcat | can't help you there |
| 00:56.30 | Shadowcat | hellfire: well then use the command I suggested |
| 00:56.32 | hellfire | ok |
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| 00:56.48 | Shadowcat | it's crude but it'll do the job |
| 00:56.55 | stew | hellfire: "info find" has more extensive examples |
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| 00:57.11 | sbk | Shadowcat: thanks for the pointer to boot-cd |
| 00:57.12 | stew | hellfire: and you'll want to use octal modes |
| 00:57.13 | EasyButton | anybody have a paper jam? |
| 00:57.30 | hellfire | stew: whats the octal mode for s? |
| 00:57.36 | Shadowcat | 1 |
| 00:57.38 | sbk | Shadowcat: er, debian-cd (?) |
| 00:57.39 | Shadowcat | 1777 |
| 00:57.41 | Shadowcat | I think |
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| 00:57.59 | Shadowcat | sbk: yes you have to make your own |
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| 00:58.18 | hellfire | stew: lets say the sticky bit is set on the group. |
| 00:58.24 | stew | hellfire: 2xxx |
| 00:58.39 | hellfire | stew: and 3xxx for sticky on others? |
| 00:58.48 | Shadowcat | well I was close |
| 00:58.59 | stew | hellfire: u+s is 4xxx |
| 00:59.20 | stew | !wikifaq hellfire Permissions |
| 00:59.21 | dpkg | hellfire: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:59.29 | stew | hellfire: ^^^ that page should have all the details |
| 00:59.32 | gnufan | It is like "man chmod" with added typos in here |
| 00:59.38 | hellfire | stew: ah ok octal tweeking! i think now i have it. thx |
| 00:59.39 | Shadowcat | stew: you know I kind of prefer NT's permission system to Linux's |
| 00:59.42 | stew | hellfire: but you shoulud be able to use find with -perm +2000 or some such |
| 00:59.57 | stew | Shadowcat: many do |
| 01:00.07 | LinuxNIT | where can i view a log of everyone that has logged in to my computer recently? (to check for it being hacked) |
| 01:00.18 | gnufan | Shadowcat: you've never changed NT permissions on a directory with 10,000,000 odd files underneath it have you ;) |
| 01:00.25 | hellfire | linuxNIT: command 'last' |
| 01:00.41 | Shadowcat | gnufan: yes I have, it's called Apply to Underlying Directories |
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| 01:00.49 | Shadowcat | gnufan: not my fault you can't click the right radio button |
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| 01:01.27 | Shadowcat | granted it takes a while |
| 01:01.32 | gnufan | Shadowcat: Oh I can click it - I just get left wondering when it will finish - hell freezes over etc |
| 01:01.55 | Shadowcat | gnufan: look at the progress bar |
| 01:01.55 | LinuxNIT | what about failed attempts? |
| 01:01.57 | Shadowcat | it's there for a reason |
| 01:02.46 | gnufan | Shadowcat: never mind you obviously don't have enough data files.... and then some bastard decided he wanted one called "con"... oh dear.... oh dear dear dear... |
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| 01:03.06 | LinuxNIT | hellfire, what about to see failed attempts? |
| 01:03.35 | Shadowcat | gnufan: hahahahaha that's harsh |
| 01:03.43 | Shadowcat | you can't name a dir con in Windows, it's just not possible |
| 01:03.50 | deadcat | i have a CVS file at 1.45, how do i set it to 2.0? (= |
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| 01:04.42 | gnufan | Shadowcat: Oh yes you can, the UNC interface is dead happy to do it - whether any other Microsoft tools handle it is hit or miss - it is just a pile of crappy interfaces with no consistency... What happened to "No to All" :( |
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| 01:07.01 | gnufan | I want a security interface with no micro managing permissions - probably ought to look at the user, and check if they are a) sober b) awake c) concentrating d) not a dodgy sort, and if so let them do it, otherwise not.... |
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| 01:08.35 | concept10 | i forgot, what is the keyboard shortcut to clear the terminal? |
| 01:08.46 | resiak | ^L |
| 01:09.36 | deadcat | concept10: none. |
| 01:10.04 | concept10 | deadcat, none? err..bs |
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| 01:10.18 | deadcat | concept10: i map it to ^X |
| 01:10.58 | hellfire | linuxnit: /var/log/syslog maybe? |
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| 01:11.48 | deadcat | concept10: you have to clarify "clear", clear as in the command clear, which clears the screen or refresh? |
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| 01:11.55 | deadcat | so no bs here. |
| 01:11.57 | concept10 | deadcat, I usually just use clear, thats why I forgot the shortcut of ^L |
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| 01:12.13 | deadcat | concept10: ^L clears or refresh? |
| 01:12.24 | concept10 | deadcat, clears |
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| 01:12.37 | deadcat | concept10: oh. guess it doesnt work here (= |
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| 01:12.55 | concept10 | deadcat, what term do you use? |
| 01:12.58 | deadcat | xterm |
| 01:13.13 | zorgy | hi, i need help installing avidemux |
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| 01:13.27 | deadcat | urxvt dont work either. maybe my setups |
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| 01:13.34 | phycho | hey guys ive got a problem |
| 01:13.36 | phycho | you have no suitable ramdisk generation tool installed |
| 01:13.46 | phycho | i get that when trying to dpkg -i a custom compiled kernel |
| 01:13.47 | concept10 | deadcat, I use the xfce terminal, its lite and great |
| 01:13.54 | phycho | i have the ramdisk generation tool installed |
| 01:14.03 | deadcat | concept10: isnt that just call something else? |
| 01:14.04 | resiak | phycho: Which one? |
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| 01:14.24 | phycho | uml:/usr/src# dpkg -l | grep init |
| 01:14.24 | phycho | ii initrd-tools 0.1.84 tools to create initrd image for prepackaged |
| 01:14.24 | resiak | deadcat: No. They have one which wraps the same terminal emulator lib (vte) as gnome-terminal, but is a distinct program |
| 01:14.24 | zorgy | I get the error message: "couldn't find package avidemux" |
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| 01:14.32 | phycho | and |
| 01:14.32 | phycho | ii module-init-tools 3.2.2-1 tools for managing Linux kernel modules |
| 01:14.36 | resiak | phycho: For recent kernels you need either initramfs-tools or yaird |
| 01:14.40 | deadcat | resiak: oh.. |
| 01:14.40 | korozion | Is there a howto on adding a userdir cgi-bin? |
| 01:14.41 | phycho | k |
| 01:14.44 | FarrisG | I've got some really weird video problems, and I can't figure out if they're AGP related or something more sinister. Basically, my new-ish Radeon 9800 overheats very badly, freezing up the system. If I replace the card with an old GeForce 4 MX 440, I don't have heat problems, but my screen has this strange flicker that only goes away if I drop the refresh rate lower than my monitor (and my eyesight) wants |
| 01:14.52 | deadcat | here. ^L dont do shit: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/ootput_hardstatus/xwd_20060130_20899.png |
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| 01:15.06 | phycho | resiak - thanks mate. |
| 01:15.12 | phycho | installing those justnow |
| 01:15.20 | resiak | phycho: Why not just ... use a Debian kernel? |
| 01:15.26 | phycho | because i cant |
| 01:15.27 | deadcat | is that in the bash man page? |
| 01:15.28 | resiak | Why not? |
| 01:15.33 | phycho | i need custom options |
| 01:15.38 | resiak | I see |
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| 01:15.57 | drp | bash: ./configure: Permission denied |
| 01:15.59 | phycho | if i could, i would |
| 01:16.03 | phycho | would be much simpler =) |
| 01:16.10 | Eno_ | Why would wlan0 being loaded make my sound snap and pop? |
| 01:16.14 | drp | I just re-installed debian and thats what I get whenever i try to run configure |
| 01:16.16 | concept10 | deadcat, what wm do you use? |
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| 01:16.39 | deadcat | concept10: i think i know why. my bind'ed some key and it unsets the defaults i think |
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| 01:17.01 | deadcat | let me login with diff user |
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| 01:18.36 | concept10 | deadcat, on this term, ^L doesnt do anything until after you have run a command |
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| 01:19.36 | colby | can dpkg (the bot) tell me what versions of packages are available in different repositories since p.d.o is down? |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:19.45 | colby | how? |
| 01:19.47 | resiak | !info xfwm4 sid |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | damn you |
| 01:19.51 | colby | thanks |
| 01:19.53 | dpkg | xfwm4: (window manager of the Xfce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1088 kB, Installed size: 5172 kB |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | we could have had so much fun |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | !tell colby about search |
| 01:20.17 | resiak | Sorry |
| 01:20.22 | resiak | As you can see, I didn't go to bed ;) |
| 01:20.25 | colby | yes, i know how to search my own system |
| 01:20.26 | abrotman | no shit sherlock |
| 01:20.30 | deadcat | hmm. i always thought ^L was just refresh the screen. when that changed? |
| 01:20.31 | abrotman | colby: read the whole factoid |
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| 01:20.53 | colby | ah, i see. |
| 01:20.57 | resiak | abrotman:It doesn't actually help much. |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | resiak: to sleep ? |
| 01:21.13 | resiak | Thatt oo |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | resiak: you could play guitar for a while .. your housemates will love you! |
| 01:21.30 | resiak | fuck yes |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | resiak: it beats what i'm doing |
| 01:21.36 | resiak | Which is? |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | helping #d .. and watching Animal House |
| 01:21.52 | resiak | !pal abrotman |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | resiak: it's guitar time soon though |
| 01:22.11 | gravity | nice |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | nice to which? |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | guitar time or Animal House? |
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| 01:22.39 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. Anyone here familiar with pure ftp? |
| 01:22.54 | pipeline | Borg^Queen: You're going to have to ask a real question. |
| 01:22.56 | Borg^Queen | I'm trying to setup a user so she can upload to my nix machine. |
| 01:23.06 | Borg^Queen | pipeline: patience |
| 01:23.12 | resiak | !tell Borg^Queen -about ask |
| 01:23.19 | resiak | Why should we have patience? you're the one asking the question. |
| 01:23.26 | concept10 | deadcat, im not sure when that changed. I also use esc + backspace to clear the line and I havent seen that listed anywhere |
| 01:23.30 | gravity | Calm down, Borg^Queen is asking |
| 01:23.34 | Borg^Queen | resiak: that function has been blocked |
| 01:23.40 | Borg^Queen | thank you gravity |
| 01:24.11 | Borg^Queen | gravity: children will be children. No need to worry. |
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| 01:25.03 | concept10 | deadcat, I was wrong http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/08/bash-shell-shortcuts.html |
| 01:25.19 | abrotman | Borg^Queen: are you going to finish the question/problem? |
| 01:25.20 | deadcat | conthanks. |
| 01:25.33 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, im using a proftpd server and when a computer connects to it it says logged in and shows the directory list and immediatly disconencts (using filezilla on iwndows) any ideas? |
| 01:25.33 | Borg^Queen | Anyway, I have pure ftp up and running, she can see the dir I want her to save her files to but she can't upload. And that's where I'm having trouble. I don't know how to give her perms to do that. |
| 01:25.35 | gravity | Borg^Queen: No need to taunt them back, thanks. Just ask your question please. |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | ah .. thank you :) |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | Borg^Queen: chmod probably |
| 01:25.58 | abrotman | or her umask is wrong |
| 01:26.20 | Borg^Queen | abrotman: done that. I wouldn't know about her umask, she's on a mac. |
| 01:26.32 | kspath | !xhtmlsmite abrotman |
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| 01:26.36 | Borg^Queen | gravity: I wasn't taunting anyone. |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | no .. the server's umask |
| 01:26.45 | Borg^Queen | pardon |
| 01:26.59 | abrotman | did you fart? |
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| 01:27.14 | kspath | You can smell that? |
| 01:27.15 | Borg^Queen | ok , this is a kid's channel isn't it |
| 01:27.15 | gnufan | Borg^Queen: the server process must choose a umask to decide how to write the files... I doubt it is that myself.... |
| 01:27.16 | joeey | I download files faster than my PIII system can process them , lmao |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | Borg^Queen: you've been in here a lot ... |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | Borg^Queen: how did you create the user ? |
| 01:27.39 | kspath | I am twee years old. |
| 01:27.44 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 01:27.48 | Fripi | two? |
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| 01:27.57 | Borg^Queen | ok kids. GN, have fun. |
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| 01:28.02 | abrotman | ok .. fine . i won't help |
| 01:28.06 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:28.24 | concept10 | how interesting |
| 01:28.54 | gnufan | abrotman: you can help me -- tell me how you find so much time to be here..... I need more time. |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | gnufan: i sold my kids .. and make the wife work a triple shift |
| 01:29.21 | concept10 | I love the #debian welcome mat |
| 01:29.24 | putte | anyone googd at grub in here ? |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | !ask |
| 01:29.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:29.45 | putte | ok .. |
| 01:29.54 | gnufan | abrotman: damn - no kids here.... |
| 01:30.21 | deadcat | concept10: ah. i find out whats wrong with my settings. i have set -o vi (= |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | gnufan: i'm joking .. i have no wife/kids .. |
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| 01:30.41 | joeey | a boyfriend instead ?:) |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | no |
| 01:30.51 | Fripi | sad |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:31.11 | joeey | it's fun to have a boyfriend , that why :) |
| 01:31.11 | zorgy | does somebody here know how to make a video out of bmp files with avidemux? |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 01:31.25 | abrotman | zorgy: can you do that ? |
| 01:31.31 | concept10 | Does ViM or Cream have the ability to access directories over ssh/sftp? |
| 01:31.38 | zorgy | no |
| 01:31.44 | Fripi | so, gues what, I have a problem.... Simpel question: how do i load the module i810_audio? |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | then why did you ask us how ? |
| 01:31.47 | joeey | abrotman I will be ordering usb 2.0 pci card |
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| 01:31.54 | abrotman | Fripi: modprobe |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | joeey: ah . you finally believed me huh ? :) |
| 01:32.10 | zorgy | well beacause i don't know how to do it. ^^ |
| 01:32.18 | joeey | USB controller on my system i was chatting to you about yesterday comes with usb 1.1 |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | i figured as much |
| 01:32.25 | joeey | abrotman well I didn't want to believe it:) |
| 01:32.32 | zorgy | on the net it's said to be possible with avidemux, but I can't fugure out how |
| 01:32.45 | gnufan | concept10: you can do that with the sshfs but it might be more fun to install than you expected ;) |
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| 01:33.50 | joeey | I download files from the net and pipe them to two other applications for processing. hdd connected via usb 1.1 cannot cope |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | joeey: iirc .. USB1 is 12Mbps |
| 01:34.12 | joeey | I ran hdparm -t /dev/device test and it was like 190Kbyt/sec |
| 01:34.19 | drp | what are the X11 dev packages called |
| 01:34.21 | BucHOME | problem: i have sarge 3.1 installed and i just ran knoppix and copied XF86Config-4 file from knoppix to my sarge install and i still can't boot into X |
| 01:34.24 | deadcat | concept10: shit. once i set any settings to vi, ^L dont work )= FUCK. |
| 01:34.39 | gnufan | drp: what you trying to do? |
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| 01:34.51 | drp | gnufan: install the x11 dev packages |
| 01:34.56 | joeey | did the test while hdd was under load |
| 01:34.59 | BucHOME | when i type startx. it says something about the vesa failing to setup write combining range |
| 01:35.02 | BucHOME | how do i fix this? |
| 01:35.10 | drp | gnufan: i'm compiling mplayer and it needs them |
| 01:35.11 | concept10 | gnufan, I currently use the Bluefish editors to quicky browse and edit files on my server, (when im not in the terminal) but I rather use ViM (cream) |
| 01:35.21 | stew | drp: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | BucHOME: can you give us the real error ? |
| 01:35.43 | resiak | concept10: I use vim over sftp |
| 01:35.45 | nevyn | concept10: I tried cream but it felt wrong. |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | sleep damn you |
| 01:36.03 | concept10 | deadcat, you should update your prono gallery :) |
| 01:36.31 | concept10 | resiak, you use regular vim not a gui vim like cream? |
| 01:36.33 | deadcat | concept10: dont have any cool. (= |
| 01:36.42 | gnufan | concept10: why not just http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/30 and use all your tools easily... |
| 01:36.43 | resiak | concept10: Sure. I'm finding the vimrc lines for it |
| 01:37.09 | JC | whats wrong with the file archives at debian.org they have been down a couple days now_ |
| 01:37.31 | concept10 | gnufan, thanks for the link. thats one of my favorite sites, ill read that |
| 01:37.46 | JC | ? |
| 01:38.04 | kspath | abrotman: 1.0 is 1.5 Mbps 1.1 is 12Mbps? 2.0 is 400-480Mbps? |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | 2 is 400 |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | or maybe 480 .. whatever |
| 01:38.43 | abrotman | JC: with what ? |
| 01:38.56 | concept10 | nevyn, i love cream for vim, I think it is badass |
| 01:39.02 | JC | the package repository |
| 01:39.12 | deadcat | concept10: whats cream? |
| 01:39.24 | kspath | firewire ieee1394 or whatever is 400 or 480 as well memory is phunky |
| 01:39.37 | Fripi | Okay, next question, my mic s working now. But skype does not work. I call someone, Noone heqrs anything and after the first camm Skype claims to have sound problems and refuses to work again... |
| 01:39.37 | abrotman | JC: you're not being very descriptive |
| 01:39.58 | concept10 | deadcat, a GTK wrapper for vim |
| 01:39.59 | Fripi | camm=calll |
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| 01:40.11 | JC | the place you go to download software |
| 01:40.12 | nevyn | concept10: hrm I love the concept of it. but I'm too dyed in the wool vim for it to work for me |
| 01:40.14 | resiak | concept10: It just works(tm) without any addons. :e scp://user@host//home/you/foo/bar/baz.pl |
| 01:40.16 | Supaplex | is 5v @ 2a safe to put on PoE? say 30-40m |
| 01:40.18 | joeey | when you are processing files > 3G, usb 1.1 is not acceptable. |
| 01:40.28 | stew | JC: debian.org hasn't been down, what exact url are you having trouble with? |
| 01:40.45 | resiak | concept10: What does cream do for you that gvim doesn't? |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | so go to the store! |
| 01:40.57 | kspath | abrotman: if you remember that firewire2 is 800 than it is easier to remember that firewire is 400 and that USB2 must therefore be 480 and USB1.1 12 and USB1 1.5 |
| 01:40.57 | JC | wait il get ie back up |
| 01:40.58 | Supaplex | joeey: dude, they're like $9 these days |
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| 01:41.09 | abrotman | kspath: no! |
| 01:41.10 | concept10 | resiak, its the same AFAIK |
| 01:41.13 | joeey | abrotman well, I am looking for that sells them. I need a small form factor card |
| 01:41.26 | joeey | for one ... |
| 01:41.31 | resiak | concept10: i see |
| 01:41.34 | deadcat | concept10: ah.. isnt there gvim? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | joeey: jeez .. any more requirements ? |
| 01:41.36 | BucHOME | abrotman that is the error |
| 01:41.43 | kspath | !confuse abrotman |
| 01:41.43 | dpkg | No, how are their weasel yesterday, abrotman? lederhosen of the monarchy of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | BucHOME: ? |
| 01:41.46 | danboid | I've installed rox-filer and icewm, now I want to get X to load icewm (not icewm-session) and rox at boot instead of kde- what files do I need to edit here? |
| 01:41.48 | joeey | abrotman :) |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | !distract kspath |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | BucHOME: it doesn't say "Something like" .. it says or doesn't |
| 01:42.11 | threat | woot |
| 01:42.11 | deadcat | dpkg: what am i riding? |
| 01:42.29 | BucHOME | abrotman VESA failing to setup write combining range |
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| 01:43.02 | BucHOME | abrotman that is the error s/failing/failed |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | that's a really bizarre error .. any EE lines ? |
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| 01:43.49 | concept10 | i not sure of the differences betwenx cream and gvim but it serves me fine |
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| 01:44.02 | BucHOME | abrotman nope. just that (WW) VESA Failed to setup write combining range error |
| 01:44.03 | concept10 | does regular vim have a file browser? |
| 01:44.11 | BucHOME | then a bunch of warnings and cmd prompt |
| 01:44.22 | BucHOME | abrotman i have a VIA chipset VGA card |
| 01:44.30 | resiak | concept10: :e . |
| 01:44.40 | resiak | concept10: and gvim uses the gtk file browser |
| 01:44.42 | deadcat | resiak: hahah |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | BucHOME: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 01:44.57 | JC | unzip%2Funzip_5.52-1sarge3_i386.deb&md5sum=0e860597ffe259038f7bb8e1ce2630df&arch=i386&type=security |
| 01:45.09 | JC | there it is for one |
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| 01:45.16 | dsasda | http://www.valvehacks.zaccum.com/ - great cs dod hl2 (valve) hacks |
| 01:45.17 | concept10 | resiak, no, I dont mean the gtk file browser |
| 01:45.42 | JC | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fupdates%2Fmain%2Fu%2Funzip%2Funzip_5.52-1sarge3_i386.deb&md5sum=0e860597ffe259038f7bb8e1ce2630df&arch=i386&type=security |
| 01:45.56 | JC | sorry missed part of it |
| 01:45.59 | BucHOME | abrotman 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3344 (rev 01) |
| 01:46.07 | deadcat | resiak: how do i get out of :e .? back to the orig file i was editing? |
| 01:46.10 | stew | BucHOME: run update-pciids |
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| 01:46.39 | Holy | Hey guys, sorry for taking your time, but I am having a bit of a problem installing Debian. I am trying to dualboot XP and Debian and have a 50GB partition for Debian, when I try to setup Debian, I choose to automatically partition that 50GB partition (to make a swap partition and regular partition), but it never formats the partition. The swap partition gets formatted, but the regular partition format takes forever. It stays at 0% and I lef |
| 01:46.39 | BucHOME | abrotman 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01) |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | Bucciarati: does your intarweb work ? |
| 01:46.50 | stew | deadcat: :q or ctrl 6 |
| 01:46.58 | abrotman | BucHOME: update-pciids |
| 01:47.07 | deadcat | stew: thanks |
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| 01:47.31 | stew | deadcat: (one quites a buffer, the other toggles) |
| 01:47.50 | BucHOME | abrotman i just did that. and after running update-pciids i get: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01) |
| 01:47.57 | resiak | deadcat: Ctrl-^ should do it... it's just in a different buffer |
| 01:47.58 | deadcat | stew: just learned some new vim tricks (= thanks |
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| 01:48.13 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 01:48.14 | dpkg | somebody said unichrome was the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge> |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | BucHOME: may or may not work |
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| 01:48.55 | Holy | Okay, does anyone know a forum that could answer my question? |
| 01:49.05 | abrotman | did you ask us ? |
| 01:49.17 | Holy | Yeah >_> |
| 01:49.23 | Holy | PRoblem installing |
| 01:49.28 | abrotman | Holy: 50GB is a lot of space |
| 01:49.28 | Holy | Freezes at formatting |
| 01:49.35 | JC | say packages.debian,org is down due to performance issues |
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| 01:49.41 | BucHOME | abrotman why does knoppix XF86Config-4 works? it uses vesa as the server |
| 01:49.44 | concept10 | resiak, deadcat I mean does vim have a file tree such at this: http://cream.sourceforge.net/screenshots1-closeup.html |
| 01:49.47 | wt | anyone here ever mess with software raid1+0 |
| 01:49.48 | wt | ? |
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| 01:49.53 | Holy | Yeah, 50GB is a lot |
| 01:50.06 | deadcat | concept10: i doubt it. looks fancy |
| 01:50.06 | Holy | But I have a 320GB HDD, so I decided 50GB should go towards Debian |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | BucHOME: does google say anything about your error ? .. i've never seen anything liek that |
| 01:50.26 | BucHOME | abrotman let me see |
| 01:50.36 | wt | I have a computer with 4-300GB disks |
| 01:50.40 | wt | ;-) |
| 01:50.46 | Holy | Anyways, has anyone heard of issues about freezing while formatting the disc (in ext3 file system)? |
| 01:50.55 | Holy | I left it there for literally hours |
| 01:50.57 | Holy | Stayed at 0% |
| 01:51.04 | wt | Holy: i reseated the cable to fix that once |
| 01:51.04 | vb_coder | When Im using ssh, how can i run programs on the remote computer with a gui? |
| 01:51.07 | N0S3 | wt: what you store? |
| 01:51.28 | bsmntbombdood | vb_coder: you must enable X11 forwarding |
| 01:51.30 | Holy | Reseated the cable? Should I try that when Windows is booting just fine? |
| 01:51.30 | wt | it'll eventually be a debian mirror, if I can ever get software raid 1+0 working |
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| 01:51.35 | stew | vb_coder: do you want the window to show up on the remote computer or yours? |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | Holy: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 installer ? |
| 01:51.50 | wt | Holy: couldn't hurt |
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| 01:51.54 | abrotman | wt: check tldp.org |
| 01:51.55 | Holy | No I haven't only 3.1...are there noticable differences? |
| 01:51.56 | vb_coder | stew: on the remote computer |
| 01:51.56 | jjazz | I just bought a new power supply for this box. The mobo connector has an extra two rows of pins, separated from the rest by a plastic guide. I think I can just use this and leave the two rows unsused, and I was hoping somebody here would confirm that for me so I know I'm not being incredibly stupid. |
| 01:51.57 | N0S3 | wt: yeah! |
| 01:52.05 | stew | vb_coder: export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 01:52.09 | abrotman | jjazz: #hardware ? |
| 01:52.10 | wt | abrotman: I have already been there and done that |
| 01:52.12 | BucHOME | abrotman turns out the (WW) is just a warning so i am not getting any errors when i run startx as regular users |
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| 01:52.14 | abrotman | wt: ok |
| 01:52.15 | bsmntbombdood | vb_coder: use ssh -X [host] |
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| 01:52.25 | wt | debian doesn't seem to repect multilevel software raid |
| 01:52.27 | stew | vb_coder: that is assuming you are sshing in as the user running the xserver, if not /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | BucHOME: something must be happening if X isn't starting |
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| 01:52.48 | jjazz | vb_coder: freenx might work for you |
| 01:52.50 | wt | I can make it work, but on reboot, it only picks up one layer of the raid |
| 01:53.02 | bsmntbombdood | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.03 | jjazz | abrotman: Ya, never had any success there, but I'll try it. |
| 01:53.04 | wt | and evms is testing my patience |
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| 01:53.11 | abrotman | jjazz: did you get a BTX PSU ? |
| 01:53.14 | Holy | Also, when Debian froze installing, when I tried to boot Windows back up, it said "Error Loading Operating System", so obviously there was a huge screw up somewhere in the line |
| 01:53.19 | BucHOME | abrotman i figured it out. i had exec opera in my .xsession and i have not installed opera yet :) |
| 01:53.25 | BucHOME | abrotman its always the simple things hehe |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | BucHOME: heheh |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | !smack BucHOME |
| 01:53.41 | BucHOME | hehehe |
| 01:53.53 | dvs | cut it out Beavis! |
| 01:54.24 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 01:54.29 | frank_farmer | Probably a stupid question: when I try to apt-get certain packages (webmin, unzip) I get a 404 attributed to mirrors.kernel.org |
| 01:54.33 | frank_farmer | Why? |
| 01:54.36 | Fripi | Okay, next question, my mic s working now. But skype does not work. I call someone, Noone heqrs anything and after the first camm Skype claims to have sound problems and refuses to work again... |
| 01:54.37 | Amarande | Once I make the java packages as dpkg tells me, and install them. |
| 01:54.40 | jjazz | abrotman: Nah, it's def. ATX. I think maybe there are some newer mobos that need more powre, and this is compatible with both. |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | that mirror sucks |
| 01:54.51 | frank_farmer | Which mirror should I be using> |
| 01:54.51 | frank_farmer | ? |
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| 01:54.53 | stew | frank_farmer: run apt-get update |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | jjazz: bah .. jsut turn it on :) |
| 01:54.58 | Amarande | Will Mozilla and Firefox automatically start supporting Java, or do I have to do something additional to get it working in the browsers? |
| 01:54.58 | dvs | frank_farmer: One that works |
| 01:55.00 | stew | frank_farmer: what version of debian? |
| 01:55.07 | JC | this is an Intel DotStaion and it runs some form of debian altho it somewhat different than the Mepis version I have on my other boxes |
| 01:55.20 | jaecob | what can i do to wipe my root partition and get a fresh install without a CD? |
| 01:55.21 | BucHOME | dvs apcupsd is working flawlessly. just thought i'd let you know |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 01:55.30 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 01:55.36 | dvs | BucHOME: Good! |
| 01:55.43 | BucHOME | dvs i have the apcupsd-cgi installed and it is even sweeter :-D |
| 01:55.46 | jjazz | abrotman: I pulled my hair out last night when the ps fried and my drives started throwing errors. Tonight, I'm trying not to end up replacing every word in my vocabulary with motherf*cker. |
| 01:55.52 | BucHOME | dvs thanks again |
| 01:55.54 | dvs | BucHOME: ??? What is that? |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | jjazz: i would hope a guy with degrees like yours could use larger words :) |
| 01:56.29 | JC | it doesnt even have a zip utility in it appaeently |
| 01:56.29 | BucHOME | dvs it allows you to see the stats of your ups in bar chart form and gives you apcaccess output it is really neat |
| 01:56.31 | frank_farmer | apt-get update did the trick. Thanks! |
| 01:56.36 | BucHOME | dvs do apt-get install apcupsd-cgi |
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| 01:56.50 | abrotman | i still avoid using the kernel.org mirror .. but as long as it works for you :) |
| 01:56.59 | stew | frank_farmer: are you running testing? |
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| 01:57.05 | jjazz | abrotman: Sometimes I string several of them together. |
| 01:57.09 | Newck | how do you know if an apt source is malicious? |
| 01:57.21 | stew | Newck: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:57.57 | Newck | ok... but what does gpg verification do for obscure 3rd party packages? |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | you choose to use those |
| 01:58.26 | jjazz | Newck: nothing. You either trust those people or you don't. |
| 01:58.34 | stew | Newck: if you don't have a trust path to the author's gpg key, then nothing |
| 01:58.42 | Newck | ah. so there's no way to know who's valid |
| 01:58.49 | abrotman | it's a third party |
| 01:58.54 | lunitik | abrotman: why do you avoid mirrors.kernel.org? probably the fastest mirror around for me :/ |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | i could sell you software in a store .. and you wouldn't know |
| 01:59.03 | jjazz | Newck: In general, I wouldn't, unless they're somehow otherwise known to be upstanding people. |
| 01:59.03 | jaecob | abrotman, thanks, exactly what i was looking for ;) |
| 01:59.04 | Newck | i added sources from www.rarewares.org, because they package up lots of multimedia stuff nicely... |
| 01:59.07 | stew | Newck: could you think of a better system? |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | lunitik: it was out of date for a while |
| 01:59.12 | lunitik | abrotman: I _average_ about 600 kb/s from it... |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | it was?!!? |
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| 01:59.14 | Newck | but they also package GCC. which makes no sense... |
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| 01:59.34 | azeem | Newck: ah, careful ;) |
| 01:59.40 | Newck | stew: i'm just checking to see if debian has become more sophisticated in the last few years |
| 01:59.41 | stew | Newck: "/msg dpkg marillat" it's maintained by a DD so his signature is in the debian-keyring package |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | there is pinning of course |
| 01:59.58 | azeem | stew: marillat is no DD anymore |
| 02:00.11 | stew | azeem: oh no? did he resign? |
| 02:00.15 | jjazz | Newck: I know a guy who grumbles about official packages from "random debian devs"... so your trust level may vary. |
| 02:00.24 | azeem | stew: yeah, making a big fuzz |
| 02:00.26 | Newck | ok, better question. |
| 02:00.39 | Newck | anyone know of a good source for videolan (vlc) and related codecs? |
| 02:00.50 | azeem | stew: hrm, or at least he orphaned all his packages |
| 02:00.59 | stew | azeem: whenever one does that, it seems to be a rather useless attempt at making a statement |
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| 02:01.58 | trae | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 02:02.06 | abrotman | trae: /topic |
| 02:02.09 | vb_coder | stew, if i want remote applications to show up on my computer with ssh, how could i do that? |
| 02:02.11 | trae | I got that AFTER running update |
| 02:02.13 | stew | Newck: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:02.17 | trae | abrotman, /me re-reads topic |
| 02:02.18 | azeem | stew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-curiosa/2004/03/msg00017.html |
| 02:02.23 | trae | oh crap |
| 02:02.24 | trae | I'm sorry |
| 02:02.29 | trae | please shoot me |
| 02:02.39 | stew | vb_coder: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 02:02.46 | abrotman | !shoot trae |
| 02:02.56 | trae | abrotman, hehehe, thanks tons bud. |
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| 02:03.27 | stew | azeem: nice. db.d.o still lists him and he's still in the keyring, not that either is necessarily authoritative |
| 02:03.49 | azeem | stew: yeah, he's probably still a DD technically then |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | azeem: i'm confused .. that's weasel .. not marillat |
| 02:04.09 | azeem | abrotman: the changelog entries are from marillat |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:04.15 | azeem | weasel just put them together |
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| 02:04.53 | wt | I guess I will just give up and get the 3ware card |
| 02:04.57 | wt | :-( |
| 02:05.00 | abrotman | weasel must have had a fun time digging all those out ... |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | ha! .. i kill me |
| 02:05.32 | JC | apt-get sends me down the same trail as diong it with gui |
| 02:05.48 | JC | doing |
| 02:06.30 | stew | i can never remmeber how to bring up a DD's page on qa.d.o |
| 02:06.36 | stew | azeem: ^^? |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | stew: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php |
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| 02:07.26 | azeem | stew: heh, I just bring up a random one the guy maintains, then click on him in the Maintainer field |
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| 02:07.38 | azeem | where guy == male or female |
| 02:07.56 | stew | abrotman: azeem, thanks :) |
| 02:08.40 | pawdro | ive got a problem, ive got very small letters in many programs: for ex. Nero and xmms, menu and options fonts are very small, how can i fix it? |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 02:08.52 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 02:09.54 | drp | whenever I installed emacs I get these font errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ucie6a37.html |
| 02:10.00 | drp | any idea what packages those would be in |
| 02:10.28 | azeem | stew: so he is still around, wouldn't have thought that :) |
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| 02:11.40 | pawdro | abrotman: i dont know what to exactly do |
| 02:11.41 | stew | azeem: maybe its just that gnome sucks :) |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | try gtk-theme-switch first |
| 02:12.09 | pawdro | abrotman: ive got kde not gnome |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | that's ok |
| 02:12.17 | abrotman | !depends xmms sarge |
| 02:12.23 | dpkg | xmms: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libssl0.9.7, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxi6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 02:12.23 | pawdro | and etch |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | notice . GTK |
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| 02:13.16 | azeem | maybe dpkg could give a sane font description for the gtk font size, so people don't have to dig in xfontsel |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | azeem: it tells you to try gtk-theme-swithc first |
| 02:13.46 | Fripi | Okay, next question, my mic s working now. But skype does not work. I call someone, Noone heqrs anything and after the first camm Skype claims to have sound problems and refuses to work again... |
| 02:14.10 | Fripi | oh, it says: read error, res = -1 , handle = 34 |
| 02:14.19 | Amarande | at least Java is easier to get working on Linux than ATI video drivers. :) |
| 02:14.32 | dvs | Amarande: Much! |
| 02:14.57 | Amarande | I think dpkg is a little rough with its java advice, though. |
| 02:15.05 | Amarande | It's practically trying to encourage you to NOT have java. |
| 02:15.32 | dvs | Amarande: No, it's advising you not to use SUN java |
| 02:15.54 | Amarande | dvs: what other java is there? |
| 02:16.03 | Amarande | Somehow I doubt Microsoft Java works on Linux :) |
| 02:16.08 | azeem | abrotman: oh, I didn't parse that correctly, maybe s/switch/gtk-theme-switch/? |
| 02:16.20 | azeem | OTOH, I'm having my second beer right now and its 3 AM |
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| 02:16.33 | dvs | Amarande: kaffe and blackdown just to name two |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | !gtk font size =~ s/switch/gtk-theme-switch/ |
| 02:16.34 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'switch', abrotman |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | it does too! |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | !gtk fontsize =~ s/switch/gtk-theme-switch/ |
| 02:17.05 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | dpkg: one of these days ... |
| 02:17.48 | pawdro | i can see that someone has the same problem |
| 02:17.51 | pawdro | as me |
| 02:17.56 | pawdro | font size in programs |
| 02:18.04 | pawdro | isn't it? |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | pawdro: gtk-theme-switch |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | lunitik: the illegal java |
| 02:19.07 | dvs | lunitik: You don't wanna know |
| 02:19.33 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... the reason Sun recently got like 1.6 bln from Microsoft? |
| 02:19.44 | Amarande | used to be standard on pre-XP windows versions |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | no .. that was because McNealy is Melinda Gates II |
| 02:20.03 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:20.38 | Amarande | say, anyone else get this minor glitch in firefox? |
| 02:20.42 | lunitik | Amarande: ahhh... fun... it actually worked better than the Sun version of XP though :$ |
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| 02:20.56 | abrotman | Amarande: lots of people have glitches in FF |
| 02:21.00 | Amarande | when I do a right-click and mouse over the menu, the currently selected menu option becomes white-on-white |
| 02:21.02 | lunitik | Amarande: where it keeps going back when you scroll? |
| 02:21.12 | Amarande | lunitik, haven't seen that one |
| 02:21.14 | lunitik | Amarande: oh... no, I don't get that one |
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| 02:21.26 | abrotman | lunitik: it wasn't really Java .. it was the MS implementation of Java .. which like most everything else from MS .. is halfassed crap |
| 02:21.50 | dvs | abrotman: It also had their "extensions" |
| 02:21.52 | lunitik | abrotman: it was fast, and worked for Yahoo Pool ;) |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | java is never fast |
| 02:22.13 | lunitik | abrotman: it was :/ |
| 02:22.25 | lunitik | abrotman: natively compiled java isn't THAT slow, either |
| 02:22.28 | joeey | you can compile java code and natively run it |
| 02:22.32 | pawdro | to reload theme do i have to log out? |
| 02:22.37 | eleazar_ | hi, im trying to get my old pc to work as a firewall.. everything is fine, local dhcp, network interfaces, etc.. my only problem is that i cannot access the internet from any of the computers, just from the firewall computer.. any suggestions? |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | lunitik: MS java was fucking garbage |
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| 02:23.10 | abrotman | it was barely 1.1 compliant .. and they refused to update it |
| 02:23.21 | lunitik | abrotman: it was at least twice as fast as Suns :/ |
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| 02:23.32 | gravity | \o/ dinner |
| 02:23.37 | dvs | KD? |
| 02:23.42 | joeey | did you do the testing yourself ? |
| 02:23.45 | abrotman | lunitik: and BROKEN |
| 02:23.56 | joeey | or you've heard a rumour from your buddy while having a beer ?:) |
| 02:24.35 | lunitik | joeey: who you talking to? if me, then yes :/ |
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| 02:25.41 | trae | I've put: PermitRootLogin no in my /etc/ssh/ssh_config and restarted ssh, but still see it when I run rkhunter |
| 02:25.56 | joeey | if yes, you mean you've heard the rumour, right , lunitik ?:) |
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| 02:26.12 | lunitik | joeey: it was no rumor... |
| 02:26.21 | andrea__ | ... |
| 02:26.31 | pawdro | still have very small letters in xmms settings, besides theme changing |
| 02:26.52 | joeey | it's been discussed many times thant ms java was faster than sun's but |
| 02:27.00 | joeey | I doubt if it was twice as fast |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | it was BROKEN! |
| 02:27.24 | lunitik | joeey: you can still find it around the internet... if you have an XP installation... try it for yourself |
| 02:27.31 | joeey | anyway, in the world of open source we have our own favourite interpreted programming languages |
| 02:27.38 | joeey | think of perl, python and ruby |
| 02:27.40 | Amarande | XP, something I won't be using anymore |
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| 02:27.44 | abrotman | who cares how fast it is .. if it's fucking broken . .what a tard |
| 02:27.44 | lunitik | abrotman: who cares... it did what users want, and was faster than Suns... |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | yeah . it breaks really fast |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | take it to #java |
| 02:28.23 | stew | don't get me started on msjvm, it makes my life miserable |
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| 02:28.27 | pawdro | i can't change even font size in xmms options in font bookmark |
| 02:28.31 | Amarande | abrotman, I was thinking more about the fact that the nForce4 XP drivers are highly buggy and cause lockups |
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| 02:28.34 | joeey | ruby is more elegant than java imho, perl ..perl has been in use forever |
| 02:28.38 | pawdro | what's wrong |
| 02:28.43 | joeey | :) |
| 02:28.59 | lunitik | joeey: I don't know Java... I just use it for yahoo games :/ |
| 02:29.06 | trae | abrotman, any idea about the ssh issue? |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | tard |
| 02:29.10 | joeey | bahh |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | trae: ? |
| 02:29.13 | vb_coder | is build-essential needed to compile c++ on debian? |
| 02:29.13 | joeey | :) |
| 02:29.23 | trae | abrotman, PermitRootLogin no in my /etc/ssh/ssh_config and restarted ssh, but still see it when I run rkhunter |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | what does rkhunter say ? |
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| 02:29.59 | stew | vb_coder: no, but several of the pacakges it depends on are. installing build-essential is generally a good idea if you will be building |
| 02:30.09 | vb_coder | i thought build-essential was only needed if i was compiling a source tarball, but i am trying to compile a single c++ file |
| 02:30.32 | stew | abrotman: yes, it really really makes my life suck |
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| 02:30.44 | abrotman | stew: MS java or lunitik ? |
| 02:30.53 | trae | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/531512 |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | flashnet: DIE |
| 02:31.05 | stew | abrotman: msjvm |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | flashnet: DO NOT EVER DO THAT AGAIN |
| 02:31.23 | flashnet | abrotman ? |
| 02:31.28 | lunitik | abrotman: neato? I never had any issues with anything else using it either... its like MS IE, no matter how non-standards complient it is... if people ensure THATS what things work with, it becomes the standard... |
| 02:31.33 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:31.33 | joeey | let me me introduce you to a neat application written in python , it's called hellanzb |
| 02:31.53 | flashnet | just a ping to test my latency |
| 02:32.05 | flashnet | wats the matter u r paranoic |
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| 02:32.17 | abrotman | lunitik: so it's broken .. and that's ok ? .. if you sit your mom in the back right side of your car .. i bet i can take off the front driver's wheel .. is that ok ? |
| 02:32.25 | joeey | you won't find equivlent commerical application on ms windws which is better than this one |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | flashnet: so go ping something else idiot |
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| 02:32.46 | stew | flashnet: it's considered impolite, if you are lagging your client should be telling you, if you are worried about general internet latency use netkit-ping |
| 02:32.58 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm not sure what that example is getting at... |
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| 02:33.22 | abrotman | lunitik: just because something is fundamentally broken .. and might wor k.. you shouldn't use it when something better exists ? |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | bah .. he'll never get it .. i give up |
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| 02:34.12 | lunitik | abrotman: define better... because using standards complient things that no one writes code for is far more annoying that using the implementation that isn't broken... |
| 02:34.14 | ClayG | where can i get a good how-to for recompiling a custom kernel in debian/ubuntu? |
| 02:34.17 | abrotman | lunitik: piss off and die |
| 02:34.24 | abrotman | ClayG: for debian or ubuntu ? |
| 02:34.26 | jjazz | abrotman: It worked. Nothing fried. |
| 02:34.30 | ClayG | ubuntu, |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | jjazz: yay |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | ClayG: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:34.44 | ClayG | what about for debian |
| 02:34.47 | stew | lunitik: wait, where does ms fit in there? standards compliant? non-broken? |
| 02:34.49 | lunitik | abrotman: haha... you're getting all worked up... |
| 02:34.53 | abrotman | ClayG: but it's for ubuntu |
| 02:34.57 | abrotman | lunitik: you're so freaking stupid |
| 02:35.03 | lunitik | abrotman: k |
| 02:35.03 | ClayG | I have a debian system ubuntu and xp |
| 02:35.10 | ClayG | are you a Whyser? |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | ubuntu is not debian |
| 02:35.13 | ClayG | or Howser |
| 02:35.13 | ClayG | ? |
| 02:35.25 | ClayG | Abrotman Whyser |
| 02:35.26 | Amarande | flashnet, if you must ping someone on #debian, at least ping something like dpkg that isn't human |
| 02:35.28 | stew | lunitik: the ms jvm is neither standards compliant or non-broken |
| 02:35.32 | ClayG | that has a nice ring |
| 02:35.41 | flashnet | <abrotman> ubuntu is not debian ohhh really? :P |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | flashnet: Ubuntu IS NOT debian |
| 02:36.08 | ClayG | are there any Howser's here that will just tell me how instead of asking "why would you want to" |
| 02:36.10 | lunitik | stew: read again... Microsoft implementations are what I'm saying is broken... where as Firefox and Suns Java would be examples of the standards complient implementations that are more annoying to use... |
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| 02:36.40 | abrotman | stew: see .. total flipping idiot .. which is why he was banned before |
| 02:36.49 | abrotman | !tell Amarande about lamwe |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | !tell Amarande about lame |
| 02:37.07 | flashnet | UDB/Ubuntu |
| 02:37.10 | ClayG | Oh, that's a new one. I've encountered googlites, Whysers, MANwhores but never a weisenheimer |
| 02:37.18 | lunitik | abrotman: blah... you can't see my point? for a non-programmer, how broken the implementation is doesn't matter :/ |
| 02:37.30 | stew | lunitik: i have never ever ever felt that sun's was more annoying to use than java's by a long shot. and firefox doesn't have a java implementation |
| 02:37.34 | abrotman | yay .. lunitik lives in a Java1.1 world! |
| 02:37.49 | jjazz | Here's a debian question: how can I tell whether there's a second monitor plugged into my laptop? I'm looking for something at the console (so I can feed its answer to a script). Thanks. |
| 02:38.07 | lunitik | abrotman: 1.5 :/ |
| 02:38.13 | stew | lunitik: yeah, for a non programmer, it becomes rather binary, it either works or it doesn't, and there is some very basic java code that just doesn't work with ms |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | MS Java is not 1.5 compliant dumbass |
| 02:38.19 | lunitik | abrotman: I don't currently have an XP machine up and running :/ |
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| 02:38.39 | abrotman | jjazz: xdpyinfo ? |
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| 02:38.59 | stew | i unfortunately have to keep one windows machine up and running and I live in a 1.1 world becuase of the stupid broken msjvm |
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| 02:39.22 | dvs | !beer stew |
| 02:39.32 | stew | and i wish it could be an xp machine, but it must be 2k in order to sign the stupid .cab files for the applets |
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| 02:40.21 | jjazz | abrotman: I don't see how to coax that information out of xdpyinfo. |
| 02:40.36 | gravity | jjazz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:40.45 | gravity | Or XFree.0.log |
| 02:40.50 | stew | jjazz: if its vga, i don't know that there is a way to tell if a monitor is plugged in |
| 02:41.23 | stew | jjazz: if its dvi it's definately detectable |
| 02:41.23 | jjazz | gravity: I'm looking for something to check before x starts, but thanks. |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | jjazz: i only have one display attached |
| 02:41.33 | jjazz | stew: It's vga. |
| 02:41.48 | gravity | jjazz: Maybe ddc-info? |
| 02:42.00 | jjazz | abrotman: My laptop is dockable. Sometimes one display, sometimes two. And it's a pain to keep editing the conf and restarting X. |
| 02:42.05 | gravity | Or whatever it's called |
| 02:42.07 | Gnea | stew: usually the little light on the front goes from yellow or flashing to a solid green |
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| 02:42.27 | jjazz | gravity: I'm not familiar with that. What package is it in? |
| 02:42.31 | Gnea | at least, that's what my sun monitor does |
| 02:42.37 | gravity | crap... let me look. I may have the app name wrong too... |
| 02:42.39 | tyranix | jjazz: Add another layout so you can type ' startx -- -layout X' |
| 02:42.59 | Amarande | dammit, figures. |
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| 02:43.04 | Amarande | I order a nVidia card so I can get above 60 Hz |
| 02:43.11 | Amarande | and now I think my eyes are actually adjusting to it |
| 02:43.24 | jjazz | tyranix: Thanks. The problem, though, is knowing which layout to use. I'd rather the box detect which one to use. |
| 02:43.30 | tyranix | above 60 Hz? What were you using before? |
| 02:43.30 | gravity | jjazz: Hrm... I can't find it now, sorry. Maybe looking at the xresprobe sources would help? |
| 02:43.45 | gravity | jjazz: Other than that, I'm out of ideas |
| 02:43.48 | tyranix | jjazz: Yeah, but -layout will help you once you find out a way to detect it. :) |
| 02:43.50 | jjazz | gravity: Thanks anyway. I will look. |
| 02:43.57 | jjazz | tyranix: True enough. :) |
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| 02:45.22 | madradrone | anyone know of something like a modifiable boot cd that has a good partitioning script which i can modify? |
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| 02:45.49 | madradrone | basically something like the debian-installer partitioning section? |
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| 02:46.24 | abrotman | madradrone: you could use /dev/urandom ? |
| 02:46.27 | Amarande | tyranix: well, right now I'm stuck in 60 Hz because that's the most this ATI Radeon X1600 will do under vesa |
| 02:46.32 | madradrone | haha |
| 02:46.34 | Amarande | and it doesn't like the ati or fglrx drivers |
| 02:46.53 | madradrone | abrotman: actually i was thinking about that. if there were some way to filter out the low frequencies... |
| 02:46.56 | Amarande | I'm going to get a GeForce 6600, and leave the ATI card in a corner in an antistatic bag until it gets some driver support. |
| 02:47.09 | abrotman | madradrone: someone suggested current hardware does it automagically .. |
| 02:47.27 | madradrone | basically you want mid-range white noise. but the subsonic noise is what can destroy your speakers. |
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| 02:48.20 | Amarande | wait a minute, how did we get from a boot CD to /dev/urandom? |
| 02:48.31 | madradrone | haha |
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| 02:48.41 | madradrone | don't you see the connection? |
| 02:48.50 | Amarande | heh, I just thought of a new music composition idea |
| 02:49.00 | Amarande | cat /dev/input/mice > /dev/dsp |
| 02:49.01 | Amarande | :) |
| 02:49.11 | stew | Amarande: apt-cache show terminatorx |
| 02:49.13 | dvs | Nice |
| 02:49.38 | stew | Amarande: someone beat you to it |
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| 02:50.27 | jjazz | gravity: When xresprobe refers to a 'driver', do you know what it is asking for? |
| 02:50.35 | Amarande | the soundcard outputs to the receiver, not to a little set of computer speakers :) |
| 02:50.38 | zebalin4 | Hi folks. I would like to install debian sid w/KDE from scratch (to an empty partition). What is the best/easiest method to do that? Thanks. |
| 02:50.39 | gravity | jjazz: No, sorry |
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| 02:50.52 | gravity | jjazz: Probably a video driver though for whatever your video card is |
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| 02:51.52 | jjazz | gravity: thanks |
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| 02:54.24 | t54srgs | I have PHP4 server installed on my Debian box ... phpmyadmin works but other things tell me mysql extension is not enabled. I have the package php4-mysql installed. What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:54.31 | nixie | zebalin if you mean to install sid, you shouldn't need to ask a question like that. |
| 02:55.14 | nixie | but I'd use debian from scratch, cfdisk and debootstrap |
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| 02:55.47 | abrotman | t54srgs: is the plugin enabled in all your php.ini;s ? |
| 02:56.03 | nixie | t54srgs: make sure your /etc/php4/apache/php.ini contains an extension line with the mysql module |
| 02:56.33 | t54srgs | I think it is abrotman. nixie, I added that line and nothing happened. Do I need to restart Apache? |
| 02:56.43 | nixie | yep. |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | t54srgs: how many php.ini files do you hvae in /etc/php/ ? |
| 02:57.05 | zebalin4 | nixie: Well, debian is like 15 cds but I'm told you only need one or two? There is also a net install? I understand that sid is really just an 'upgrade' by changing the source.lst. |
| 02:57.09 | chubs_help | hi what can I do, if in the middle of an apt libc6 was missinstalled and now I have a problem with a library concerning a .so symlink ? |
| 02:57.22 | nixie | zebalin4: 'sid' is unstable, and is ment for developers. |
| 02:57.23 | zebalin4 | So best question is: how do I install 'testing' without burning 14 cds? |
| 02:57.29 | t54srgs | no such directory as /etc/php |
| 02:57.38 | stew | zebalin4: burn one, install and dist-upgrade |
| 02:57.50 | nixie | i suggest using a sarge install cd, and upgrade sarge to testing when its installed barenaked. |
| 02:57.51 | zebalin4 | nixie: I just need the first one? Very good. |
| 02:57.52 | zinx | zebalin4: uhm, if you're asking that, then you shouldn't be running testing. |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | t54srgs: sorry /etc/php4/ |
| 02:58.02 | zinx | zebalin4: you don't even need the first one |
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| 02:58.04 | nixie | zebalin4: google for debian netinst cd |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:58.11 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:58.17 | zinx | zebalin4: all you need to install debian is the netinst CD, or if you want really small, the business card CD |
| 02:58.24 | Raids | Hey everyone, just got my first linux box up running debian ! |
| 02:58.31 | dvs | !beer Raids |
| 02:58.34 | Raids | lol |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | yay .. yuengling! |
| 02:58.57 | t54srgs | none in /etc/php4 ... one each in /etc/php4/apache2 and /etc/php4/apache ... I'm using apache2 |
| 02:59.01 | zebalin4 | nixie: I run sid on kanotix and kubuntu. I hate kbuntu and would like to try the real thing. |
| 02:59.02 | Raids | Does debian use a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:59.04 | Raids | ? |
| 02:59.31 | dvs | Raids: Yes |
| 02:59.33 | nixie | zebalin, in short, run testing. its unlikely you need sid. |
| 02:59.40 | Raids | ok good. i thought i had the wrong version |
| 02:59.41 | Raids | lol |
| 02:59.49 | zebalin4 | zinx: I can try the etch net intstall but I figure it would take forever... and then I have to upgrade to sid which will also take forever (twice). |
| 02:59.52 | Raids | Anyone good with Samba? I'm kinda lost... |
| 02:59.55 | zinx | Raids: it can also use a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:59.59 | t54srgs | nixie, restarting Apache doesn't fix it. |
| 03:00.14 | zinx | zebalin4: uhm |
| 03:00.19 | zebalin4 | nixie: but I want things like k3b and kaffeine... which are not in testing TTBOMK. |
| 03:00.25 | zinx | zebalin4: it will take less time than downloading 14 cds |
| 03:00.43 | zebalin4 | zinx: yeah, I agree with that!!!! |
| 03:00.43 | Raids | Any Samba pro's here? |
| 03:00.45 | zinx | zebalin4: netinst downloads the files you need; downloading the full CDs downloads a lot you don't. |
| 03:00.50 | nixie | zebalin, well, then just use the netinst cd and change the downlaod sources to be sid. |
| 03:01.12 | nixie | during the install process of netinst cd you will have to manually edit your apt sources list |
| 03:01.14 | stew | Raids: there are many in #samba |
| 03:01.18 | chubs_help | hi what can I do, if in the middle of an apt libc6 was missinstalled and now I have a problem with a library concerning a .so symlink ? can I try to force ? or any Ideas suggestions my system is very broken ! :S |
| 03:01.19 | Raids | thanks :) |
| 03:01.39 | zebalin4 | nixie: yeah that makes sense... but getting back to just using testing... is it safe to bring in somthing like k3b from sid into testing or will lots of things go boom! |
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| 03:02.04 | nixie | i backport lots of stuff. just do it right (apt-get build-dep, apt-get -b source) |
| 03:02.12 | nixie | and, no guarantees. |
| 03:02.26 | nixie | hence the term unstable |
| 03:03.08 | donkeykong | interesting.. |
| 03:03.09 | lawnchair | does anyone know wehre i can find a tomcat5+apache2 tutorial |
| 03:03.14 | zebalin4 | nixie: testing would be fine... but it just lacks some of the things I like to use. Anyway, all the other distros seem to track sid... although I hear mepis is going to testing. |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | lawnchair: probably ask #tomcat |
| 03:03.27 | nixie | t54s: i'm not too familiar with apache2 to be honest. i suggest opening a phpinfo() php script and checking the module list on there |
| 03:03.28 | lawnchair | ok |
| 03:03.31 | lawnchair | maybe |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | or check jakarta.apache.org |
| 03:03.45 | stew | !depends k3b unstable |
| 03:03.48 | dpkg | k3b: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.0-2), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libattr1 (>= 2.4.4-1), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdbus-1-2 (>= 0.60), libdbus-qt-1-1c2 (>= 0.60), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libhal1 (>= 0.5), libice6, libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libk3b2 (>= 0.12.10), libmusicbrainz4c2a (>= 2.1.2), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt ... |
| 03:03.59 | dvs | yikes! |
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| 03:04.07 | stew | zebalin4: ^^^ it depends on kde 3.5 so you can't install it in etch yet without getting all of kde from sid |
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| 03:05.02 | cheal | the way to install k3b in etch is to get a 0.12.10-1 snapshot |
| 03:05.05 | zebalin4 | stew: I've had good luck with sid with other distros. Been running linux for five years so I'm not an absolute noob. I think I can handle it... if I can figure out how to get it!!! :-) |
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| 03:05.34 | stew | zebalin4: don't ask me, i've been running linux for > 10 years, and I don't run unstable |
| 03:05.56 | zebalin4 | stew: you prob. don't run a WM either. |
| 03:06.19 | nixie | ion 4 life. |
| 03:06.22 | stew | zebalin4: i run ion3 and ratpoison |
| 03:06.40 | zebalin4 | stew: I'm a kde guy (laugh all you want!) |
| 03:06.46 | stew | well these days i'm only running ratpoison on my tv |
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| 03:07.08 | zebalin4 | stew: I have a big, powerful tower that handles KDE like it was flux. |
| 03:07.37 | zinx | I have a big, powerful tower that doesn't even need to handle fvwm2 :D |
| 03:07.41 | stew | zebalin4: all of my desktops are trashpicks or handmedowns |
| 03:07.56 | nixie | s/on/ion on/ |
| 03:07.58 | lakcaj | kde is actually pretty snappy to begin with, even though I prefer gnome |
| 03:08.12 | donkeykong | i'm new to linux.. |
| 03:08.12 | donkeykong | its pretty interesting |
| 03:08.12 | donkeykong | but i cant seem to get my LAN internet connection to work.. i'm running off of wireless rightnow |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | donkeykong: what's your NIC? |
| 03:08.29 | Guerin | zebalin4: being able to figure out how to run sid all on your own, without asking anyone, is the canonical test of whether you're ready to run it |
| 03:08.31 | zebalin4 | I like gnome but I started out with kde and I know where the bugs are (and there are a lot of them!) |
| 03:08.37 | abrotman | donkeykong: and are you running Debian ? |
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| 03:09.03 | zebalin4 | Guerin: 'canonical' .... like in Ubuntu :-) |
| 03:09.09 | {ss}Another | is a good website its going to the top off google in my opinion |
| 03:09.15 | dvs | zebalin4: Really? I haven't run onto any yet. |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | {ss}Another: don't spam us |
| 03:09.32 | Guerin | zebalin4: because the word wasn't used at all before mark shuttleworth came along |
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| 03:10.01 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.03 | stew | err |
| 03:10.12 | zebalin4 | Guerin: true. I hardly ever heard it used. Now it's everywhere... like ubuntu. |
| 03:10.15 | stew | not like anyone is ever there anyway... |
| 03:10.38 | abrotman | stew: i find it easier to do /stats p .. go to #freenode .. approach them there |
| 03:10.43 | abrotman | which may be wrong |
| 03:10.46 | donkeykong | yea i think i'm running debian |
| 03:10.51 | abrotman | you think? |
| 03:10.59 | abrotman | donkeykong: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:11.04 | stew | donkeykong: how did you install it? what version did you install? |
| 03:11.07 | donkeykong | ..? |
| 03:11.15 | stew | donkeykong: ubuntu? knoppix? |
| 03:11.24 | donkeykong | i didn't install anything.. it was already here |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | donkeykong: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:11.35 | stew | if only life were so easy |
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| 03:11.38 | zebalin4 | Is the kde meta package working again or is it still hosed? |
| 03:11.48 | chubs_help | hi what can I do, if in the middle of an apt libc6 was missinstalled and now I have a problem with a library concerning a .so symlink ? can I try to force ? or any Ideas suggestions my system is very broken ! :S |
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| 03:11.51 | stew | zebalin4: it depends on k3b |
| 03:12.04 | tyranix | jjazz: This might help: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107441 It says that get-edid accepts parameters for multiple monitors. But that may be after X is already started? |
| 03:12.07 | Guerin | chubs_help: libc6 is never 'misinstalled' |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | dpkg -i <pckage> |
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| 03:12.19 | diana | What is a command line based program that I can use to see the wifi access points within reach of my nic...and how strong the signal strength of each one is. |
| 03:12.23 | stew | chubs_help: errros installing libc6 tend to be fatal, can you be more specific about the error you are getting? |
| 03:12.24 | zebalin4 | stew: you mean it is still borked? |
| 03:12.32 | kspath | !footy |
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| 03:12.36 | chubs_help | ok let me show you just a sec |
| 03:12.40 | stew | zebalin4: last i checked k3b wasn't in testing |
| 03:12.52 | stew | !+info k3b testing |
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| 03:12.53 | dpkg | Package 'k3b' does not exist. |
| 03:12.59 | cheal | zebalin4: kde is installable again in etch since several weeks |
| 03:13.07 | damog | :) |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | k3b is not |
| 03:13.27 | abrotman | damn damog! |
| 03:13.27 | Dewi | is there a utility which will read from STDIN and write to the x clipboard? |
| 03:13.35 | nixie | diana: perhaps iwconfig [wlan interface] list? |
| 03:13.39 | stew | he'd need some shade from the sun... |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | this is going to be worse than the centerfold vote |
| 03:13.42 | tyranix | What if we want to sign the petition but specify a different destination? :) |
| 03:13.49 | chubs_help | this is the problem: tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 03:14.01 | diana | nixie: I know something that is better then that. |
| 03:14.04 | nixie | diana: might be iwlist or some other iw... command |
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| 03:14.06 | diana | !tell nixie about root-tail |
| 03:14.07 | zebalin4 | cheal: for a while the kde meta did not work meaning you had to install kde-core, etc. Not a big deal but the meta would make it a bit easier. That's what I heard anyway. |
| 03:14.33 | stew | diana: "iwlist scanning" but i don't know if it lists strengths |
| 03:14.42 | Guerin | chubs_help: reinstall |
| 03:14.49 | chubs_help | Guerin reinstall what ? |
| 03:14.54 | Guerin | chubs_help: and in future, don't try to mix distributions |
| 03:14.57 | Guerin | chubs_help: debian |
| 03:15.01 | nixie | diana, i fail to see the point of root-tail in response to your question :P |
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| 03:15.12 | cheal | zebalin4: that's right |
| 03:15.32 | zebalin4 | cheal: so the meta is fixed for testing but not for sid? |
| 03:15.34 | chubs_help | Guerin no it's not a mixed distrib... but is there any way of fixing it ? I just need to backup a file |
| 03:16.15 | cheal | zebalin4: I don't remember kde being uninstallable in sid for a meaningful period of time recently, but I don't care about sid |
| 03:16.16 | stew | chubs_help: your best bet might be tryign to fix it from a livecd, you might try installing a libc6 by hand, which sounds rather sketchy |
| 03:16.19 | nixie | diana: if you want to take it further than just iwlist, kismet is quite advanced. |
| 03:16.23 | diana | nixie: root-tail is for you, you can print any file to your background in X, so my background is a flower...but /var/log/messages scrolls over the flower in live time, root-tail is very small and very fast, barely uses any mem...You can redirect your data into a file, and root-tail will essentially tail -f that file to the background. |
| 03:16.53 | chubs_help | I'm gonna see if I can open it using MC then force copy it :S |
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| 03:17.17 | nixie | diana: i think you ment that to be for Dewi... |
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| 03:17.33 | chubs_help | damn... and DAMN I just needed a few more files |
| 03:17.37 | chubs_help | thanks guys |
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| 03:18.40 | Dewi | diana: I don't have an X root window... I just need the text on the clipboard |
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| 03:19.21 | njs | anyone know why make-kpkg on reasonably up-to-date sid would segfault? |
| 03:19.34 | abrotman | because it's sid ? |
| 03:19.51 | gravity | If you're running X you have a root window |
| 03:19.51 | stew | Dewi: xclip, but afaik it works with the selection, not the clipboard |
| 03:20.17 | nixie | njs: strace is your friend |
| 03:20.17 | njs | abrotman: well, yes, but more specifically :-) |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | did you check the bts ? |
| 03:20.50 | Dewi | stew: is that different from xclipboard? |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | njs: also .. somethings will segfault because of broken hardware |
| 03:21.16 | zebalin4 | nixie: can I install testing via the net-install and only get kde or do I have to start with gnome? Waste of disk space but no big deal. |
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| 03:21.23 | stew | Dewi: well xclip is a debian package and xclipboard doesn't seem to be, so in that sense they are different |
| 03:21.45 | nixie | zebalin4: i think you can get away with installing nothing much X related, let alone a WM |
| 03:21.54 | njs | nixie: do you have anything particular in mind to do with strace? it tells me that it yes, make-kpkg is printing the messages to the screen that I see, and then yes, it segfaults... |
| 03:22.08 | stew | Dewi: unless you meant is the selection different from the clipboard? |
| 03:22.12 | zebalin4 | nixie: well, I DO want X and kde, but I'll never run gnome. |
| 03:22.20 | nixie | njs: i cant really explain how i read segfault output. ask a pro for that:) |
| 03:22.25 | njs | abrotman: I thought of that, it's totally been my weekend for hardware failure, but it's consistent and nothing else seems to be crashing, so seems unlikely. |
| 03:22.39 | abrotman | so check the bts ? |
| 03:22.51 | Dewi | stew: I don't even know which I mean |
| 03:23.15 | stew | Dewi: the selection is different from the clipboard, yeah, the selection is what gets updated when, for instance you select text in an xterm, the clipboard is what gets updated when you do Edit->Copy, or where you paste from when you do Edit->Paste |
| 03:23.35 | nixie | zebalin4: install bare-bones testing/sarge, upgrade that to sid. if you do it right you will only have at most a dozen X related packages. |
| 03:23.36 | Dewi | stew: yeah... okay. But which one is buffer "+" in gvim? |
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| 03:24.00 | Dewi | stew: selection... right? |
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| 03:24.24 | nixie | zebalin4: so, stay with a minimum console based install, upgrade to sid, go from there |
| 03:24.27 | stew | Dewi: dunno |
| 03:24.42 | Dewi | stew: it seems to be... okay thanks for your help, I'll look at this xclip thing |
| 03:24.57 | Dewi | stew: is there some way to read the docs for xclip without installing it? |
| 03:25.06 | areedc | What FTP server should I use? |
| 03:25.50 | nixie | areedc: there's proftpd and pure-ftpd which i use often. matter of taste/features. |
| 03:25.51 | abrotman | the one you know |
| 03:25.57 | stew | Dewi: apt-get --download-only install xclip; mkdir /tmp/ihatexclip ; dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archive/xclip*.deb /tmp/ihatexclip |
| 03:26.15 | Dewi | stew: k :) |
| 03:26.22 | njs | abrotman: right, sorry, I did that before as well. |
| 03:26.25 | areedc | abrotman: I dont' know any FTP server. nixie: What are the differences? Is there somewhere I can find comparisons or something? |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | did what ? |
| 03:26.37 | nixie | areedc: google. :) |
| 03:26.38 | abrotman | areedc: pureftpd,proftpd,vsftpd |
| 03:27.14 | fhffhqvb | badger, mushroom, snake |
| 03:27.45 | njs | abrotman: check the BTS |
| 03:27.52 | abrotman | njs: and still nothing ? |
| 03:28.18 | nixie | njs: you could paste strace output somewhere. |
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| 03:28.58 | njs | abrotman: correct. |
| 03:29.04 | nixie | doesnt mean i could tell you anything though:) |
| 03:29.48 | deadcat | man theres so many keybinds )= |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | deadcat: don't you live in the states ? |
| 03:30.25 | deadcat | abrotman: ya |
| 03:31.01 | abrotman | just double checking |
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| 03:32.25 | typewriter | how can i change the mac address of a nic? |
| 03:32.31 | deadcat | typewriter: ifconfig |
| 03:32.46 | typewriter | ifconfig HWaddr 00:00:...etc ? |
| 03:32.50 | abrotman | use google |
| 03:32.51 | deadcat | typewriter: man ifconfig |
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| 03:33.54 | AstralSin | could someone please tell me how to install the libxxf86dga1 package? |
| 03:34.04 | gravity | uh |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | woody? |
| 03:34.14 | gravity | AstralSin: Are you running sarge? |
| 03:34.17 | AstralSin | sarge |
| 03:34.19 | AstralSin | yes |
| 03:34.22 | gravity | Yeah, ok. It's not in there. |
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| 03:34.45 | gravity | You'll have to either go to etch or sid or install an xorg backport for sarge. The latter is probably your best option. |
| 03:35.04 | abrotman | what is that package ? |
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| 03:35.18 | abrotman | oh .. i see |
| 03:35.27 | odla | apt-get clean |
| 03:35.28 | gravity | It's a lib I *really* need to spend some time looking through |
| 03:35.32 | gravity | Same as all the others |
| 03:36.02 | AstralSin | so, just go to x.org and get the tarball and reinstall X? |
| 03:36.09 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 03:36.09 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 03:36.14 | AstralSin | im new to debian |
| 03:36.19 | AstralSin | ah |
| 03:36.28 | Amarande | though I really recommend you run etch if you can |
| 03:36.35 | Amarande | sarge is getting kinda long in the tooth |
| 03:36.40 | Amarande | by the way, is etch 3.2 or 4.0? |
| 03:36.44 | gravity | Er... if sarge is working for him let him run it |
| 03:36.45 | gravity | Geez |
| 03:36.51 | abrotman | it's been a whole seven months since sarge released |
| 03:36.56 | gravity | Yeah. ANCIENT |
| 03:37.06 | AstralSin | I don't have etch |
| 03:37.14 | gravity | I know it doesn't support the newest hardware, but if you don't need it |
| 03:37.18 | cheal | Amarande: why would sarge be more than pi? |
| 03:37.19 | stew | Amarande: that hasn't been decided yet |
| 03:37.37 | cheal | Amarande: oops, etch |
| 03:37.39 | AstralSin | damn, is this not the latest version of Debian? |
| 03:37.39 | AstralSin | i thought it was |
| 03:37.46 | gravity | AstralSin: It is |
| 03:37.47 | AstralSin | i burned it a couple months ago |
| 03:37.49 | gravity | AstralSin: etch is the development version |
| 03:37.50 | AstralSin | oh |
| 03:37.58 | AstralSin | i see |
| 03:38.11 | cheal | gravity: why? why does nobody appreciate pi? |
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| 03:38.31 | AstralSin | ok, forgive my ignorance, but how would I use etch to install what i need? |
| 03:38.37 | Napoledno | How do I configure X not to start automaticallly? |
| 03:38.37 | AstralSin | because I dont even have etch |
| 03:38.42 | gravity | !nodm |
| 03:38.42 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 03:38.47 | gravity | Napoledno: ^ |
| 03:38.55 | jetscreamer | that's a lame way to not have a dm start_on_boot |
| 03:39.00 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 03:39.10 | gravity | AstralSin: Ignore etch. |
| 03:39.18 | AstralSin | use backports? |
| 03:39.20 | gravity | AstralSin: Don't even worry about it. It's irrelevant for you right now. |
| 03:39.21 | gravity | AstralSin: Yes |
| 03:39.33 | AstralSin | ok |
| 03:39.33 | AstralSin | i'll try that |
| 03:39.33 | jetscreamer | yeah so anything i don't want starting on boot i should uninstall |
| 03:39.41 | gravity | AstralSin: Don't let version junkies tell you what to do :-) |
| 03:39.41 | jetscreamer | just following the pattern |
| 03:40.10 | nixie | i have started to run etch on my desktop for a few months now, and it is a constant cyclus of working on your system. in contrary to sarge, which is static and requires virtually no maintenance. so if you can, stay away from testing/etch for your own sake:) |
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| 03:40.52 | AstralSin | ok :) |
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| 03:41.21 | Amarande | so far I've had no trouble with etch |
| 03:41.26 | Amarande | other than the lack of proper ATI support |
| 03:41.32 | Amarande | but that's a linux thing, not a debian thing :) |
| 03:41.41 | Amarande | and really, it's an ATI thing, not a linux thing :) |
| 03:41.43 | ISV-Kran | hey |
| 03:41.45 | nixie | fglrx is in non-free |
| 03:41.48 | nixie | works perfect here. |
| 03:41.56 | Amarande | nixie: it doesn't support the X1000 series yet |
| 03:41.58 | nixie | apart from the piece of crap code from ati. |
| 03:42.00 | Amarande | which, sadly, I have |
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| 03:42.04 | nixie | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.11 | ISV-Kran | wahta advantages significate x.org over xfree86? |
| 03:42.25 | deadcat | 24 tonight! (= |
| 03:42.33 | nevyn | sigh |
| 03:42.43 | nevyn | free software means free drivers |
| 03:42.47 | stew | ISV-Kran: no real differences at this point |
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| 03:42.51 | abrotman | xfree is dead ? |
| 03:43.00 | nevyn | otherwise the entire stack is compramised |
| 03:43.02 | nevyn | abrotman: yep |
| 03:43.12 | AstralSin | ugh, ok.. I'm back to where I was 2 days ago, packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | it was rhetorical |
| 03:43.24 | gravity | ISV-Kran: Support for some newer hardware and a few minor features and things. It'll diverge more over time, but for now the hardware support is the big one |
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| 03:43.42 | nixie | nevyn: you go and try gaming with the current free drivers. happy fragging on 5fps. :) |
| 03:43.53 | gravity | ISV-Kran: The biggest issue is that the license is now different, with X.org using the original MIT/X11 license and XFree86 using a bastardized non-free license |
| 03:44.05 | gravity | Oh, and X.Org upstream is friendly |
| 03:44.11 | abrotman | did r300 get rolled into 7.0 ? |
| 03:44.15 | gravity | AstralSin: Yes |
| 03:44.15 | ISV-Kran | hardware like 6600 gts and stuff like that gravity? |
| 03:44.18 | gravity | abrotman: ^ |
| 03:44.26 | AstralSin | ok, so.. is there any way for me to get that package without backports? it just sends me to a page I cant use |
| 03:44.31 | ISV-Kran | now I understand |
| 03:44.34 | gravity | ISV-Kran: I don't know tbh. I could look if you really want me to |
| 03:44.35 | abrotman | gravity: ? |
| 03:44.43 | ISV-Kran | thanx gravity! |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | let's trade characters! |
| 03:44.49 | nixie | AstralSin: you need to add a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:44.51 | gravity | abrotman: Yes, it's in 7.0. It's also in the mesa packages which are pending |
| 03:44.57 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:44.59 | AstralSin | ok, please tell me that line :) |
| 03:45.05 | stew | ISV-Kran: are you planning on using the free drivers or the drivers from nvidia? |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | gravity: thank you |
| 03:45.16 | gravity | It's techinically in 6.9 but not built by default and I didn't bother to enable it since the mesa packages are going in anyway |
| 03:45.35 | nevyn | does r300 automatically mean working PCIe X300 ? |
| 03:45.52 | nixie | AstralSin: off the top of my head, deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
| 03:45.59 | gravity | I wish I followed the video card scene enough to know what's what. I don't though, it moves way too fast and isn't really open |
| 03:46.00 | ISV-Kran | don talk about nvidia |
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| 03:46.21 | ISV-Kran | the X server takes like a minute to satart with these crap |
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| 03:46.36 | ISV-Kran | I'm using "nv2 now :) |
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| 03:46.42 | ISV-Kran | "nv" * |
| 03:46.43 | AstralSin | k |
| 03:46.47 | lawnchair | does libapache2-mod-jk work w/ tomcat5 |
| 03:46.58 | nixie | AstralSin: realize you're upgrading your entire x server to a newer type, so it might require some work |
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| 03:48.18 | ISV-Kran | when a start the X , I got a balnk screen qith the nvidia drivers |
| 03:48.27 | ISV-Kran | perhaps I need a faster hardware |
| 03:48.33 | ISV-Kran | don't know |
| 03:49.05 | jetscreamer | maybe you need to read the log in /var/log ISV-Kran |
| 03:49.45 | AstralSin | nixie: im not scared :) |
| 03:49.45 | ISV-Kran | I did it |
| 03:50.09 | AstralSin | in my opinion, the best way to learn linux is to mess it up and have to fix it.. thats the way i've done it so far |
| 03:50.16 | ISV-Kran | the log tells me that it was an error and then a restarting |
| 03:50.29 | Amarande | in my case, I decided it was pretty much easier to accept etch than to try to shoehorn Xorg into sarge ... especially since I had only just installed the system |
| 03:50.41 | nixie | AstralSin: same here, only i started to fix stuff other ppl mess up too. :) |
| 03:50.51 | abrotman | Amarande: did you buy a crappy video card yet? |
| 03:50.56 | gravity | Xorg-currently-in-debian isn't a huge shoehorn for sarge |
| 03:51.08 | gravity | The big one will be 7.0. That makes more drastic changes and won't really be backport-able |
| 03:51.10 | AstralSin | ok, well.. i must be doing something wrong because the game I'm trying to run still isnt running |
| 03:51.13 | AstralSin | hmmm |
| 03:51.17 | gravity | At least not very cleanly |
| 03:51.21 | Amarande | abrotman: I have a GeForce 6600 coming tomorrow from UPS. |
| 03:51.41 | abrotman | Amarande: you know .. you could have bought a really cheap one |
| 03:51.47 | nixie | gravity, can i run 7 on etch? would that require source compiling from experimental? |
| 03:51.55 | jetscreamer | strange how the nvidia binary just seems to function |
| 03:52.04 | AstralSin | do i need to reboot or something? |
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| 03:52.12 | gravity | nixie: Sure, but there's no packages for it except in ubuntu right now |
| 03:52.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the linux driver for Amarande's card doesnt' even exist yet :) |
| 03:52.13 | gravity | And in NEW |
| 03:52.18 | gravity | nixie: I'm not even running 7.0 yet |
| 03:52.25 | nixie | hehe |
| 03:52.33 | Amarande | abrotman: this system is PCI-E, I can't really go much lower than GeForce 6000 series or Radeon X000 series. |
| 03:52.37 | abrotman | gravity: shouldn't you .. liek test them ? |
| 03:52.40 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i didn't mean him , just in general |
| 03:52.44 | nixie | ill wait some more then. |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | Amarande: PCI ? |
| 03:52.48 | gravity | abrotman: It's kinda hard to do that without a full set |
| 03:52.56 | AstralSin | could someone see if they have libXxf86vm.so.1 and if so what package it was in? |
| 03:52.57 | gravity | Or at least something close to a full set |
| 03:53.08 | nevyn | Amarande: X300 is your best bet should be resolved soonish |
| 03:53.10 | gravity | abrotman: It's in libxxf86vm1 |
| 03:53.10 | abrotman | gravity: i see .. the good doctor won't take his own medicine :) |
| 03:53.15 | gravity | AstralSin: ^ |
| 03:53.20 | gravity | abrotman: :-p |
| 03:53.25 | nevyn | Amarande: I believe that some xorg people have accel working on X300 stuff internally |
| 03:53.33 | nixie | AstralSin: libxxf86vm-dev |
| 03:53.42 | AstralSin | oh |
| 03:53.45 | abrotman | nevyn: his card doesn't seem to be supported by the open or closed driver |
| 03:53.55 | Amarande | nevyn: Up to the X850 are supported. |
| 03:54.04 | nixie | AstralSin: thats on etch tho. depends on the backport if its the same. |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | what do you have .. X113423462456 ? |
| 03:54.12 | Amarande | X1600 |
| 03:54.20 | nevyn | Amarande: oh. |
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| 03:54.39 | nevyn | Amarande: fxglx will support that soonish if you can wait for vendor handouts |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | soonish .. yay |
| 03:55.11 | Amarande | nevyn: they just released a new fglrx a couple weeks ago and it -still- doesn't have the X1000 series |
| 03:55.22 | gravity | Oh, another one of those |
| 03:55.26 | Amarande | in any case |
| 03:55.33 | gravity | What is this, invasion of the gamers? |
| 03:55.41 | Amarande | I need something that can go over 60 Hz before my eyes shrivel up :) |
| 03:55.46 | exobyte | ping w.x.y.z works, but when I do route add default gw w.x.y.z it says "network unreachable". I have a weird setup- there isn't a direct route to the default route, it goes over nat first. |
| 03:56.00 | pawdro | is for debian any program for drawing 2d and 3d graphs? |
| 03:56.08 | abrotman | gravity: now .. watch out .. that baby has 256KB of Video memory .. yeah .. that's right KB ... |
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| 03:56.12 | pawdro | mathematical graphs and charts |
| 03:56.16 | stew | exobyte: what is the route for that interface? |
| 03:56.17 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 03:56.42 | nixie | exobyte: do a route add -host first. |
| 03:57.00 | Amarande | exobyte: if you're going over nat, the nat gateway should be your gateway |
| 03:57.11 | Amarande | the gateway is the FIRST machine you hit on your way off your network |
| 03:57.15 | exobyte | Amarande: funny setup... |
| 03:57.25 | exobyte | Amarande: ahhh |
| 03:57.44 | exobyte | Amarande: hmm- so I want the gateway and default to be different |
| 03:59.24 | AstralSin | YES! you guys pwn... my problem is fixed, thank you so much |
| 03:59.27 | Amarande | wait, do you have more than one gateway? |
| 03:59.32 | AstralSin | later |
| 04:00.13 | exobyte | Amarande: sorta- the nat one is behind the full one, but, umm, it's weird |
| 04:00.28 | Amarande | exobyte: so |
| 04:00.32 | stew | exobyte: can you put the output of "ip addr" and "ip route list" into a pastebin |
| 04:00.51 | Amarande | it's (your local LAN) <---> (NAT) <---> (full LAN) <---> (gateway) <---> (Internet)? |
| 04:01.19 | exobyte | stew: ip addr has nothing eventful- lo and eth0, eth0 has a 192.168 ip |
| 04:01.22 | Amarande | regardless, it doesn't matter how the network is set up past the NAT |
| 04:01.30 | Amarande | if you're on NAT, the NAT box is your gateway |
| 04:01.45 | stew | exobyte: what is the netmask? what is in the routing table already? |
| 04:01.55 | joeey | My knowledge is a bit out of date on disc-based distros. Is it still Knoppix ? |
| 04:02.01 | stew | exobyte: what is the gateway you are trying to add? |
| 04:02.09 | exobyte | Amarande: right. Can I make it not my default route? |
| 04:02.10 | nixie | yet i fail to see how he can ping the (gateway) if he doesnt have a default route to the NAT already |
| 04:02.28 | exobyte | stew: like the IP address? |
| 04:02.31 | Amarande | er, shouldn't it be your default route? |
| 04:02.39 | Amarande | you route through the NAT gateway and then out to the Internet. |
| 04:02.45 | nixie | so then it should work already. no? :) |
| 04:02.51 | stew | exobyte: yes |
| 04:02.57 | exobyte | nixie: that was my thought... |
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| 04:03.24 | nixie | exobyte are you sure that the gateway actually routes the NAT pc/router's LAN address to the internet? |
| 04:03.27 | joeey | you don't need nat to pass traffic from private network to the Internet |
| 04:03.33 | exobyte | stew: it's on a way different subnet |
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| 04:03.37 | joeey | enabling forwarding is sufficient |
| 04:03.42 | stew | exobyte: that's why its unreachable then |
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| 04:03.52 | stew | exobyte: you need to add a route to get to it first |
| 04:04.04 | exobyte | stew: yeah, and I have that- that's why I can ping |
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| 04:04.36 | b0xy | anyone know german? |
| 04:04.42 | nixie | exobyte: so if you traceroute -n to an internet ip, where does it stop? at the NAT or at the gateway? |
| 04:04.47 | stew | i'm just not in the mood to extract this information right now |
| 04:05.03 | exobyte | nixie: internet is unreachable |
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| 04:05.22 | dondelelcaro | b0xy: #debian.de does |
| 04:05.40 | nixie | exobyte: if you dont have a default gateway at all, set it to the NAT router/server ip |
| 04:05.43 | xam | dondelelcaro: he's already in there ... |
| 04:06.27 | b0xy | weiß |
| 04:06.34 | b0xy | what does that word mean? |
| 04:06.41 | b0xy | online translators say it means "knows" |
| 04:06.49 | b0xy | but in the sentence it's used it doesn't make sense |
| 04:06.50 | nixie | to know, or maybe white. |
| 04:06.58 | b0xy | it's white |
| 04:06.59 | nixie | i sucked in german class. |
| 04:07.06 | b0xy | because they're asking if the car is yellow |
| 04:07.06 | nixie | but im dutch so |
| 04:07.11 | b0xy | lol |
| 04:07.31 | exobyte | nixie: why can't I set it to use the other router, behind NAT? |
| 04:08.12 | nixie | exobyte: you cannot traverse outside of the address range your NIC is set to, e.g. 192.168.x.x/255.255.255.0 |
| 04:08.21 | b0xy | I think I need a 3rd monitor to put my online translator on |
| 04:08.30 | b0xy | then one for the Rosetta software |
| 04:08.34 | exobyte | nixie: even though there's a route to it? |
| 04:08.36 | b0xy | then another for IRC :D |
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| 04:09.06 | nixie | exobyte: you are saying that the gateway is directly connected to the same LAN as a NAT client? |
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| 04:09.47 | exobyte | nixie: no. |
| 04:10.09 | dpower | hi all, ive recently set up my debian box as a NAT..im connecting through it rite now however im having dns issues and my host does not resolve on certain irc networks, any thoughts on this? |
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| 04:10.37 | nixie | exobyte: what gateway is used for the routing line to this (gateway)? e.g. route -n? |
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| 04:11.02 | rend | where can i get aclocal-1.9 for debian? |
| 04:11.38 | pearl | rend: ... |
| 04:11.41 | nixie | exobyte, or, do a traceroute to your gateway. which hosts are listed? |
| 04:11.49 | pearl | rend: try apt-get.org, look for the package |
| 04:12.00 | stew | rend: install automake1.9 |
| 04:12.00 | Amarande | dpower: if your host doesn't resolve on IRC, it probably means your ISP has crappy reverse DNS |
| 04:12.03 | exobyte | nixie: router or nat box? |
| 04:12.12 | pearl | i think you've already tryed apt-cache search aclocal | less, right? |
| 04:12.15 | nixie | exobyte: traceroute your router. |
| 04:12.17 | stew | pearl: why on earth would you install that from apt-get.org instead of using debian packages? |
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| 04:12.24 | exobyte | nixie: nat box, just the nat box. router- nat, router |
| 04:12.31 | nixie | exobyte: also do a route -n, and paste that output on a pastebin |
| 04:13.09 | pearl | stew: if he not find it per apt-cache search he can look at apt-get.org, if it is not there, he can try apt-file search, hehe |
| 04:13.21 | exobyte | nixie: gimme a sec |
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| 04:13.30 | dpower | how can i tell which dns server my modem is on ?? |
| 04:13.31 | pearl | or dpkg _S maybe |
| 04:13.35 | pearl | dpkg -S |
| 04:13.44 | stew | pearl: you think he should try apt-get.org THEN apt-file? |
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| 04:14.04 | pearl | stew: he should which way he choose :P |
| 04:14.08 | pearl | +know |
| 04:14.10 | dpower | my reverse dns had worked fine until i set up this nat |
| 04:14.18 | dpower | prior to this i was using a linksys router |
| 04:14.42 | pearl | stew: i think a clear humanbrain can find out what to use first, and what not |
| 04:15.21 | exobyte | nixie: http://pastebin.com/531644 |
| 04:16.05 | dpower | can somebody please ping 71.194.232.15? |
| 04:16.24 | stew | exobyte: what route are you trying to add? |
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| 04:16.50 | nixie | exobyte: 230.2 must be configured to NAT all internet traffic and route that to <public ip>. you cannot use a host route *with* a GW and then use said GW as a default route. |
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| 04:17.56 | exobyte | stew: default -> <pub ip> |
| 04:18.12 | nixie | exobyte: thus effectively making 230.2 a default gateway/router for your 230.* NAT network |
| 04:18.18 | exobyte | nixie: hmm- a nat setting |
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| 04:18.36 | jml6 | hey, is there anyway to get the etch installer to setup a wifi card for netinst before the installation? |
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| 04:18.50 | nixie | so delete the route to the public ip and do a route add default gw 192.168.230.2, and go from there. |
| 04:19.15 | stew | exobyte: that public ip is on the same level 2 network as this machine, or does it need to go through the .230.2 as a gateway? |
| 04:19.42 | nixie | stew: he mentioned it wasnt. otherwise it would suffice to do a host -add |
| 04:20.39 | pearl | what the hell is this what exobyte paste? =)) |
| 04:20.39 | nixie | which was my initial hunch. i used that on speedtouch dsl modems |
| 04:20.39 | pearl | the routes |
| 04:21.09 | odla | jml6: i've never had like using the etch installer with a wireless card...but perhaps there is a way? |
| 04:21.25 | exobyte | stew: it needs to go through the gateway |
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| 04:22.01 | nixie | exobyte: 230.2 is the gateway. on that machine, you should have a different LAN address too with a default gateway already configured. |
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| 04:22.35 | marty | hello folks |
| 04:22.41 | setuid_w00t | Will upgrading from mysql 4.x to 5.x screw up my DB? |
| 04:22.50 | marty | how do i run a program on another desktop? |
| 04:22.53 | nixie | shouldnt. backup first. |
| 04:22.55 | jml6 | odla: well, im a huge debian fan. but now i might be switching to ubuntu, it loaded the module for my card at the install. but i'd really like to do this with debian, i just like getting the network "to work". I love tinkering with other things, but I use the internet as a crutch so it makes it difficult without it |
| 04:23.17 | odla | jml6: why not install sarge then upgrade? |
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| 04:23.33 | marty | so that when/if someone runs: vncviewer marty'smachine:1 the program is already running on that desktop |
| 04:23.49 | dpower | anyone know what i should do about this dns ? |
| 04:23.50 | odla | damn it i'm getting a segmentation fault with quodlibet |
| 04:23.57 | odla | anyone know why this might be? |
| 04:24.01 | gravity | odla: gstreamer? |
| 04:24.17 | gravity | It's usually gstreamer at fault when I have a quodlibet issue |
| 04:24.18 | joeey | you know the saying? If you can fix it -- fuck it! |
| 04:24.24 | joeey | can't |
| 04:24.33 | jml6 | odla: well, I'm a fan of the testing stage, but really, it doesn't matter which I use they both don't detect the RT2500 card |
| 04:24.53 | odla | gravity: what flavor of gstreamer do i need? rhythmbox starts up |
| 04:25.05 | stew | exobyte: if it needs to go through that gateway anyway than delete the route for the public ip address, and just make that 230.2 the default gw |
| 04:25.21 | gravity | odla: I don't know. That was just a guess |
| 04:25.27 | gravity | I dont' think there are flavors |
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| 04:25.50 | odla | gravity: well i know but there are several different plugins |
| 04:26.27 | dpower | guess ill go kill myself now :D |
| 04:27.51 | joeey | what's popular disc-based distro at the moment ? |
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| 04:27.56 | joeey | Still Knoppix ? |
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| 04:28.06 | stew | joeey: distrowatch.com |
| 04:28.11 | odla | joeey: dsl |
| 04:28.29 | joeey | that shitty distro install on flash stick ? |
| 04:28.33 | askjd | hi, i have my old pc as a firewall.. i have a problem though.. IRC and http come and goes.. im using shorewall.. any suggestions? |
| 04:28.52 | odla | jml6: can you install sarge with a wireless card? |
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| 04:29.07 | joeey | you can |
| 04:29.13 | joeey | I using wifi on sarge |
| 04:29.17 | dragonfly | is there a setting in a file somewhere for hostnames with static IPs? what I want is something that is the equivalent of the send host-name option in dhclient.config for dhcp |
| 04:29.32 | dragonfly | errr it's dhclient.conf |
| 04:29.34 | odla | joeey: see above ^^....not asking for myself...i'm asking about his card |
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| 04:29.40 | dondelelcaro | most distributions are based on storing stuff on discs. |
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| 04:29.53 | jml6 | odla: my card isn't supported with the install. that's not to say it can't be setup later...I just like to use the net installs |
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| 04:30.16 | Rodietze | hey |
| 04:30.20 | askjd | god.. now the http is gone.. and mirc is still on =/ |
| 04:30.35 | Rodietze | I'm getting NO CARRIER in my modem why? can somebody help me? |
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| 04:31.12 | odla | joeey: what's wrong with dsl? do you need a full blown DE on a disc? |
| 04:32.18 | Amarande | Rodietze: NO CARRIER means you were disconnected |
| 04:32.44 | Amarande | when you establish a modem connection, you have a carrier signal that indicates to the modems that they're connected |
| 04:32.51 | joeey | odla yeah |
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| 04:33.01 | Amarande | if the carrier signal is lost, your connection ends |
| 04:33.42 | Rodietze | Amarande it says: -> waiting for carrier '\n' ATDT33099000 and them after a while with NO HANDSHAKE i got "NO CARRIER" |
| 04:33.44 | Amarande | if you're getting disconnected a lot, your phone lines may be bad, or it may be windy |
| 04:34.02 | Amarande | if you get NO CARRIER in that case, that means you failed to connect |
| 04:34.11 | Rodietze | Amarande I'm now connected by this line thru windows |
| 04:34.12 | Amarande | which probably means you have a wrong number, or there's a problem with the other end |
| 04:34.30 | Amarande | are you sure you typed the phone number correctly? are you in the US? |
| 04:34.33 | Rodietze | Amarande well, it is the same I'm using now too heh |
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| 04:34.46 | Rodietze | Amarande nope Brazil I used AT+GCI=16 |
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| 04:35.05 | odla | gravity: any other ideas what my segmentation fault for quodlibet could be? i was i was given a more specific error |
| 04:35.27 | Amarande | though |
| 04:35.35 | gravity | odla: No, sorry. |
| 04:35.40 | Amarande | I remember from my dialup days that PPP connections tend to be flaky in Linux, anyway |
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| 04:35.42 | gravity | odla: You may just want to file a bug |
| 04:35.46 | odla | gravity: ok...well i'm going to file a bug |
| 04:35.50 | Amarande | Back in my dialup days, I basically noted behavior such as |
| 04:35.52 | Rodietze | Amarande :'( |
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| 04:36.39 | Rodietze | no luck then :( |
| 04:36.57 | beardy | Rodietze: Did the modem dial at all? If you haven't explicitly told it to be quiet, it usually outputs sound, so you can hear if it dials, and when it connects, or tries to. |
| 04:37.18 | Rodietze | beardy no, completely quiet |
| 04:37.46 | beardy | Rodietze: Is it a real modem, and not a "winmodem"? |
| 04:37.49 | Amarande | For some reason, anyway ... |
| 04:37.52 | Rodietze | winmodem |
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| 04:38.14 | Amarande | In Windows, my PPP connections would normally work just fine, while in Linux I would always have problems with things like HTTP and FTP constantly stalling out. |
| 04:38.22 | Amarande | I never did figure out what exactly the trouble was with that. |
| 04:38.28 | Amarande | I started to wonder if my ISP was incompatible with Linux. |
| 04:38.42 | Rodietze | Amarande heh yeah I'm getting to know this pain now :( |
| 04:38.50 | beardy | Rodietze: And you have got drivers that should work with it? |
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| 04:39.16 | Rodietze | beardy yes, in fact I'm unsig Ubuntu that is derived from Debian, so just used apt-get install ltmodem |
| 04:39.25 | Dwonis | Amarande: Misconfigured MTUs can cause endless grief |
| 04:39.30 | beardy | Rodietze: If it doesn't even dial, that is the thing you need to concentrate on, either try to get it working, or get a rel modem. |
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| 04:39.39 | beardy | real |
| 04:39.47 | Amarande | I thought the MTU was supposed to be negotiated by the PPP link? |
| 04:40.01 | Amarande | Rodietze: I recommend you buy a good external modem off ebay or similar. |
| 04:40.03 | jml6 | Amarande is right |
| 04:40.06 | Rodietze | yeah, I'm wondering about installing my old sarge again and screw this Ubuntu anyways |
| 04:40.14 | beardy | Rodietze: Well, you should ask #ubuntu then. |
| 04:40.14 | Amarande | I remember when I bought my Hayes, it was somewhere in the $50 range if that, and that was years ago. |
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| 04:40.26 | Rodietze | Amarande beardy jml6 thanks :) |
| 04:40.27 | joeey | sarge is zzee best |
| 04:40.40 | Dwonis | Amarande: It is, but I think you can configure the other end to deliver a wrong MTU, which will be fine as long as Windows refuses to send frames longer than whatever the REAL MTU is anyway |
| 04:40.43 | odla | first bug report i've filled out in a while |
| 04:40.48 | Dwonis | Amarande: I had an MTU issue with a PPPoE provider |
| 04:40.54 | beardy | Rodietze: Is that package supporting your modem? linmodem.org is one place to start IIRC.. |
| 04:40.57 | Rodietze | I just didn't remember / like the kernel version and how painful was to make sound work in my sarge |
| 04:41.18 | joeey | once you install it and you never get problems, it runs and runs and runs |
| 04:41.18 | Rodietze | beardy oh after that I've tried linmodem.org |
| 04:41.28 | ClayG | is there a cli command that shows the processor speed? |
| 04:41.31 | Rodietze | joeey heh yeah debian rules |
| 04:41.46 | joeey | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:41.46 | jjazz | ClayG: bogomips |
| 04:41.55 | beered | I'm using blackbox wm and I want to instances of xterm to start when I 'startx'. What do I modify to make this happen? |
| 04:42.01 | beered | to=two |
| 04:42.11 | Rodietze | lol |
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| 04:42.32 | Dwonis | beered: join #flood |
| 04:42.38 | Rodietze | lol |
| 04:42.39 | beardy | Rodietze: Buying an external, real, serial modem is the best though, it will just work. (If not killed by lightning :) I've had that happen..) |
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| 04:42.59 | joeey | not the best desktop distro out of box but on a server it'd beat any distro |
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| 04:43.17 | dragonfly | is there a setting in a file somewhere for hostnames with static IPs? what I want is something that is the equivalent of the send host-name option in dhclient.conf for dhcp |
| 04:43.17 | Rodietze | beardy uhh yeah I've had even softmodems burned by thunderstorms |
| 04:43.17 | callan_ | I've been trying to add xorg to my stable system with backports, but when I follow the pinning instructions for xorg-x11, apt-get complains about xserver-common and things like that, how can I fix it? |
| 04:43.32 | Guerin | dragonfly: man hosts |
| 04:43.54 | jjazz | beered: ~/.Xsession? |
| 04:44.09 | Guerin | callan_: what exact line do you use to install packages? |
| 04:44.16 | Dwonis | jjazz: I think it's just called ~/.xsession |
| 04:44.22 | Dwonis | jjazz: (no caps) |
| 04:44.26 | callan_ | Guerin: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 04:44.31 | joeey | Rodietze once you taste debian forever it will dominate you |
| 04:44.41 | Guerin | callan_: install x-window-system-core |
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| 04:44.52 | callan_ | Oh ok, thanks for that. |
| 04:44.57 | Rodietze | joeey hope so, I just fear the Sound configuration again coz I had to recompile kernel :D |
| 04:44.58 | Dwonis | beered: I'd put something like "xterm & xterm & exec blackbox" in $HOME/.xsession |
| 04:45.00 | beardy | Rodietze: Yeah, as long as they are connected they can be toasted. After one, or a few times, always removing the plug from the socket becomes a good thing to do when not online. |
| 04:45.17 | joeey | Rodietze don't compile your kernel ... |
| 04:45.21 | joeey | I don't |
| 04:45.25 | Rodietze | beardy hehe yeah 1st rule for a 56k traveler hehe |
| 04:45.25 | joeey | time wasting |
| 04:45.45 | joeey | Rodietze not that I don't know how to |
| 04:45.45 | Rodietze | joeey so how to set up teh sound? |
| 04:45.58 | Amarande | Winmodems are usually internal, so I wasn't keen on them anyway. |
| 04:46.04 | Amarande | I had had an internal modem as my very first one. |
| 04:46.07 | beardy | Rodietze: Are you running, or going to run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:46.14 | joeey | Rodietze alsa ? |
| 04:46.24 | beardy | Rodietze: /msg dpkg alsa 2.6 |
| 04:46.37 | Rodietze | beardy I'm running 2.6 on ubuntu but if I decide for install debian again it wil be 2.4 |
| 04:46.39 | jjazz | Amarande: do they still make winmodems? |
| 04:46.41 | Rodietze | joeey yes |
| 04:46.49 | odla | Rodietze: you can install 2.6 |
| 04:47.04 | Amarande | It was a 14.4 ISA modem. |
| 04:47.11 | Amarande | It wasn't really a winmodem but I think it may have been a forerunner of them. |
| 04:47.13 | joeey | Rodietze you can install precompiled 2.6 provided by debian |
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| 04:47.17 | Rodietze | odla yeah I have the 2.6 package but the installation comes with 2.4 |
| 04:47.25 | beardy | Rodietze: Why not 2.6? Just boot the isntaller with "linux26" |
| 04:47.26 | stew | Rodietze: it comes with both |
| 04:47.29 | odla | Rodietze: type linux26 |
| 04:47.34 | odla | Rodietze: it comes with 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 04:47.34 | joeey | Rodietze or search debian's cache for alsa modules |
| 04:47.40 | Rodietze | beardy :D never thought about this option! |
| 04:47.41 | Amarande | Mainly because it had a Rockwell chipset and didn't have hardware error correction. |
| 04:47.46 | Amarande | Hence why it tended to be unstable above 9600. |
| 04:47.50 | odla | Rodietze: at the installation prompt type linux26 to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:48.04 | joeey | I don't use debian on desktop. It lives on a server which is somewher ein my garage |
| 04:48.07 | joeey | :) |
| 04:48.07 | jjazz | Amarande: IIRC, winmodems didn't crop up until the 56Ks came out, maybe the 34K modems at the earliest. |
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| 04:48.26 | Rodietze | joeey hehe |
| 04:48.28 | odla | !beer Rodietze |
| 04:48.31 | stew | Rodietze: going to finally invest in cdrws? |
| 04:48.32 | joeey | Once I couldn't find it where I put it, I knew I could ping my debian box but I couldn't physically find it |
| 04:48.39 | Rodietze | ;) tnx |
| 04:48.46 | Rodietze | *slurp |
| 04:49.06 | Rodietze | thanks dudes! u r awesome |
| 04:49.10 | beardy | joeey: apt-cache search beep |
| 04:49.19 | joeey | lmao |
| 04:49.21 | joeey | good idea |
| 04:49.21 | Rodietze | hehe |
| 04:49.32 | Rodietze | maybe yes just check how many doubts in that channel |
| 04:49.37 | odla | after they've jumped the 'newbie hurdles' |
| 04:49.44 | Rodietze | gosh! how many heartaches I had |
| 04:49.49 | Dwonis | Can I ask you guys a question about this PUBLIC KEY AVAILABLE error I'm getting with Ubuntu? ;) |
| 04:49.50 | Rodietze | lol yeah |
| 04:49.58 | Rodietze | hehehe |
| 04:50.00 | odla | Dwonis: no but you can in #ubuntu ;) |
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| 04:50.31 | stew | Dwonis: you can: "/msg dpkg apt secure" but beyond that you should be in ubuntu |
| 04:50.32 | odla | !irritate Dwonis |
| 04:50.32 | dpkg | Dwonis: wenas who uses cable thx |
| 04:50.40 | Rodietze | rotfl |
| 04:51.03 | Rodietze | ok wish me luck going to reboot to linux |
| 04:51.07 | beardy | joeey: s/search/show/ |
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| 04:51.12 | Rodietze | :D dudes there I go |
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| 04:51.15 | odla | Rodietze: good luck...remember type linux26 |
| 04:51.26 | Rodietze | odla :D ok thanks :D |
| 04:51.30 | xam | !confuse Rodietze |
| 04:51.30 | dpkg | Yes, where is your bacon today, Rodietze? pants of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 04:51.38 | Rodietze | lol |
| 04:51.40 | odla | ha ha |
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| 04:52.18 | Guerin | odla: dpkg is #debian's collective unconscious |
| 04:52.27 | odla | Guerin: ha ha |
| 04:52.33 | jsizzle | greets, I recently installed debian on my laptop and love it, quick question I have a P3/650Mhz laptop w/256MB and I'm running 2.4.27 is there any good reason to move to 2.6? is it faster or would it work better for me? or should I just leave well enough alone |
| 04:52.40 | stew | odla: for instance: /msg dpkg factinfo cmd: confuse (.*?) |
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| 04:52.54 | Amarande | odla, remember that swearing increases the channel temperature :) |
| 04:53.00 | odla | stew: does that tell me who filled em with that factoid |
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| 04:53.04 | stew | odla: yes |
| 04:53.10 | beardy | jsizzle: If you are happy right now, there is no real reason to switch. |
| 04:53.17 | odla | Amarande: the channel temperature? |
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| 04:53.30 | Guerin | jsizzle: it's not really faster, but it does have better scheduling, so it might make things seem faster. And it has stuff like alsa built-in, and better support for things like acpi andsuspend |
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| 04:53.41 | Guerin | but what beardy says is 100% correct |
| 04:53.56 | deadcat | this looks cool: # blankerprg rain -d 100 <-- whats the rain program? where its from? what package? |
| 04:54.14 | odla | i thought Guerin or abrotman might be behind part of the irritate factoid |
| 04:54.23 | Guerin | !tell deadcat about search |
| 04:54.26 | jsizzle | well making things seem faster sounds pretty good, I don't care if it's a scheduling trick as long as it fools me into thinking my laptop is running faster :) |
| 04:54.37 | jsizzle | would the scheduler thing be noticable? |
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| 04:55.03 | Guerin | jsizzle: depends. Try it and see; install a 2.6 kernel, you can always remove it. |
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| 04:55.27 | beardy | jsizzle: Install a 2.6 kernel and see if find it better, keep your old kernel, and if you don't like it, you just reboot and use the 2.4 kernel. |
| 04:55.50 | beardy | see if +you find it |
| 04:56.09 | jsizzle | should I use the kernel images I could download using apt-get or download the source and compile by hand? |
| 04:56.32 | Dwonis | jsizzle: Use the kernel images, if they work |
| 04:56.38 | stew | jsizzle: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 04:56.49 | beardy | jsizzle: Use the stock kernels. Install through apt-get or aptitude yes, if you don't have a reason not to. |
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| 05:02.46 | odla | ha ha http://www.petitiononline.com/abrotman/petition.html |
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| 05:03.20 | deadcat | that rain game suck. cmatrix is much better for blankprg |
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| 05:04.12 | beardy | deadcat: If it hasn't been improved, cmatrix hogs enormous amounts of cpu time.. |
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| 05:04.27 | Dwonis | "... I want to **embarrase** him a bit on public ..." |
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| 05:04.31 | Dwonis | nice |
| 05:04.34 | deadcat | beardy: true. it sometimes does. (= |
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| 05:04.54 | deadcat | beardy: my friend was working on the trace on trinity (= |
| 05:05.55 | Agrajag_ | if I have an athlon 64 3200+, do I need the amd 64 k8 kernel, or will that cause troubles due to 64 bitness? |
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| 05:06.18 | SexyKen | Hey guys does anyone here have comcast digital cable? |
| 05:06.34 | stew | Agrajag_: you dont' need it. It won't cause problems however, it will run either 64 or 32 bit code happily |
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| 05:07.07 | stumbles | audio playback is fine for me in programs like xmms and totem, but i the sound is crackley in games such as Wesnoth. Is this a common occurance? My laptop has an Intel 8280CA/CAM AC'97 audio chipset. |
| 05:07.25 | Agrajag_ | stew: ok thanks... I want to be running the most optimized kernel for my cpu if possible :) |
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| 05:07.32 | SexyKen | Anyone have a Motorola HDTV Set top box? Specifically the DCT6200 |
| 05:08.22 | Dwonis | Agrajag_: This is not #gentoo |
| 05:09.05 | EvilSporkMan | Dwonis: 64-bit vs. 32-bit isn't exactly excessive |
| 05:09.18 | beardy | SexyKen: Run after him.. |
| 05:09.23 | Dwonis | EvilSporkMan: I'm referring to "I want to be running the most optimized kernel for my cpu if possible" |
| 05:09.29 | SexyKen | RUn after who? |
| 05:09.35 | beardy | Estes |
| 05:10.02 | EvilSporkMan | Dwonis: no reason not to as long as you keep it to the kernel; it's not like debian doesn't support it |
| 05:10.14 | stew | Dwonis: he's not even talking about compiling a kernel |
| 05:10.24 | EvilSporkMan | Agrajag_: check out #debian-amd64 |
| 05:10.42 | litage | how can you tell if a usb device is connected using usb1.1 or usb2? |
| 05:10.46 | Dwonis | stew: yeah, I guess |
| 05:10.49 | Dwonis | !smite Dwonis |
| 05:11.11 | stew | litage: when you connect a usb2 it mentions that it is a "full speed device" or some such |
| 05:11.35 | stew | litage: "lsusb -b" should also be helpful (though i haven't checked) |
| 05:11.36 | litage | thanks stew |
| 05:11.41 | stew | litage: -v not -b |
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| 05:12.29 | litage | stew: is the bcdUSB variable from ``lsusb -v'' the usb version? |
| 05:13.37 | xam | litage,stew: 'full speed' is 12 Mbps, 'hi speed' is 480 Mbps that was introduced in USB2.0 |
| 05:13.38 | Dwonis | litage: I think what you actually want is "hi-speed" or something like that. See http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm |
| 05:13.41 | stew | litage: the only values i get for that are 2.00 and 1.10 so that looks likely though i don't know for sure |
| 05:14.40 | Dwonis | litage: actually, this looks better: http://www.linux-usb.org/usb2.html |
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| 05:17.04 | stew | litage: yes, xam is correct |
| 05:17.28 | stew | litage: dmesg will say "high speed" for a usb2 device |
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| 05:20.23 | typewriter | where does debian store kernel modules |
| 05:21.04 | Dwonis | typewriter: The same place as every other distribution: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
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| 05:23.19 | typewriter | ok, the module for my nic, is under another kernel that i booted with |
| 05:23.22 | typewriter | can i just modprobe that driver? |
| 05:24.06 | dli | is there any standard way to port a gentoo package to debian? the package is not available in official debian |
| 05:24.19 | Dwonis | typewriter: I'm not sure what you're asking. Linux kernel modules are for use only with the specific build of the kernel that they were compiled with. |
| 05:24.28 | typewriter | oh |
| 05:24.52 | Dwonis | typewriter: Occasionally you can get away with it, but don't count on it |
| 05:25.08 | wireddd | can anyone tell me why when I click my mouse wheel in firefox it brings up http://www.packet8.net/ |
| 05:25.15 | wireddd | it does make any sense |
| 05:25.34 | wireddd | err doesn't |
| 05:25.40 | deadcat | wireddd: spyware |
| 05:25.48 | Dwonis | !smite deadcat |
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| 05:26.01 | Dwonis | wireddd: You're pasting into the window |
| 05:26.22 | Dwonis | wireddd: For example, highlight this link, then middle-click in the window: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 05:26.38 | wireddd | hmm |
| 05:27.54 | wireddd | heh |
| 05:28.06 | wireddd | I didn't know it did that |
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| 05:29.30 | JeffH | How do I configure mailman to let a user create a list? |
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| 05:31.01 | buu | Is there any chance a pci-e 16 can take an agp card? |
| 05:31.17 | JeffH | buu: no |
| 05:31.23 | buu | MOTHER FUCKER |
| 05:31.32 | buu | I hate life. Just fyi. |
| 05:31.40 | buu | Hrm. |
| 05:31.56 | buu | I wonder if I can boot it headless |
| 05:32.08 | buu | Actually I bet I could install debian without a monitor |
| 05:32.18 | wireddd | I would think so |
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| 05:32.25 | Dwonis | buu: Go to a computer junk store, and buy an old PCI video card :) |
| 05:32.33 | buu | Dwonis: I have no room for pci video card =[ |
| 05:32.38 | wireddd | yeah a pci express slot will take a pci card |
| 05:32.44 | buu | Oh really? |
| 05:32.48 | wireddd | yeah |
| 05:32.51 | buu | Well, I'd have room then |
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| 05:32.58 | buu | AHAH |
| 05:32.58 | Rodietze | hey |
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| 05:33.02 | buu | PCI video card |
| 05:33.05 | buu | "s3 virge" |
| 05:33.14 | buu | It can go in a pcie slot? |
| 05:33.15 | Rodietze | it worked! now I have a debian 2.6 :D but.... |
| 05:33.19 | wireddd | yeah |
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| 05:33.38 | Rodietze | for some mistake... nothing but the bsae system was installed hehe |
| 05:33.46 | wireddd | well unless you have some wierd s3 virge issue(those cards are awfull) |
| 05:34.22 | Rodietze | so now I need to know how to make it installs what it was suppose to install :D |
| 05:34.26 | buu | wireddd: ... |
| 05:34.31 | xam | buu: don't listen to him. PCI-Express is not PCI ... a PCI card won't fit into a PCI-E slot ... just look at this picture: http://www.viaarena.com/images/articles/pcie%20002.jpg |
| 05:34.32 | buu | wireddd: It won't fit in the pice slot =[ |
| 05:34.38 | buu | xam: I find this out |
| 05:35.15 | buu | Oh well, I can throw the pci card in there until debian is installed. |
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| 05:35.16 | Dwonis | xam: You could always use a rubber mallet... |
| 05:35.44 | Rodietze | dudes? |
| 05:35.58 | xam | Dwonis: tststs |
| 05:36.10 | Dwonis | Rodietze: I don't know the *official* way. I'd just install aptitude :) |
| 05:36.16 | Azar | Rodietze: read and learn about apt, aptitude and the sources.list. The 3 versions of Debian. Then start installing X, the video driver, the audio driver (alsa) and in a final the desktop of your choices and the goodies: games, browser etc.. |
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| 05:36.25 | rend | wtf. debian sucks |
| 05:36.35 | Amarande | rend: what seems to be the trouble? |
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| 05:36.43 | Dwonis | Rodietze: You can also use tasksel, which I think d-i runs when you install |
| 05:36.43 | rend | 'WARNING: `automake-1.9' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your' |
| 05:36.53 | Amarande | rend: sid packages? |
| 05:36.56 | Gnea | apt-cache search automake |
| 05:36.58 | rend | yet i just installed automake1.9 |
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| 05:37.13 | Azar | then automake sucks |
| 05:37.17 | Gnea | and yet, what happens if automake --version |
| 05:37.27 | Rodietze | Dwonis heh ok |
| 05:37.36 | Gnea | rend: debian doesn't suck, you don't know how to use it |
| 05:37.58 | rend | automake --version automake --version |
| 05:38.03 | rend | automake (GNU automake) 1.9.5 |
| 05:38.10 | Azar | gnu sucks |
| 05:38.14 | Azar | :) |
| 05:38.15 | Gnea | now what are you trying to compile? |
| 05:38.24 | rend | fxscintilla-1.63 |
| 05:38.33 | Gnea | ... |
| 05:38.42 | Amarande | rend: is that from sid? |
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| 05:39.11 | Gnea | rend: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 05:39.22 | rend | sarge |
| 05:39.40 | wireddd | so your running stable |
| 05:39.43 | Amarande | rend: and did the source package you're trying to compile come from sarge, etch or sid? |
| 05:40.19 | rend | i couldnt find any source package for fxscintilla |
| 05:40.27 | Azar | rend you need to know that forcing shit on sarge gets exactly back at you |
| 05:40.33 | rend | http://www.nongnu.org/fxscintilla/ |
| 05:40.54 | rend | Azar, i know. and sometimes its necessary? |
| 05:41.11 | Azar | the stable Debian is design for use with tested packages , anything else will break it |
| 05:41.25 | ChrisVdB | before 'vim any_file.gz' opened the file correctly, but this recently stopped working... but it's hard to fix as I don't know the mechanism behind it... any hints anybody? 'vim any_directory' also doesn't work anymore... |
| 05:41.33 | ChrisVdB | that's on testing |
| 05:41.40 | Azar | you open beer with a bottle opener, if you insist on using a hammer you gonna break it |
| 05:41.45 | Gnea | rend: why not install debian packages? |
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| 05:42.23 | Amarande | Azar, don't you slash the top off with a sword? :) |
| 05:42.36 | Azar | rend if you need packages not designed for Debian Sarge, install the testing or unstable versions and wrestle with them |
| 05:43.05 | rend | Gnea, where is the debian package for fxscintilla-1.63? |
| 05:43.16 | rend | Azar, yeah i know... |
| 05:43.22 | Gnea | rend: is this for freeride? |
| 05:43.23 | rend | but in this case i couldnt finde it |
| 05:43.51 | rend | Gnea, close.. mondrian |
| 05:44.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:44.29 | rend | Gnea, they have similar requirements |
| 05:44.39 | Amarande | are gnome themes supposed to be installed globally by root, or by me somewhere under my personal gnome configuration directories? |
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| 05:45.06 | Rodietze | hey Amarande i've installed just the base accidentaly now what command must I use to choose what to install? isn't it debconf? |
| 05:45.24 | Azar | rend when Debian releases a stable version, all packages offered for it are assumed were thoroughly tested, stable and secure. When newbies install a stable version they do not know or ignore and start insisting on forcing untested packages on it: result = it breaks |
| 05:46.18 | Rodietze | and they think it is 'Azar' that here means 'bad luck' ;) |
| 05:46.44 | staniel | in the removeable drives and media preference it says mount removable drives when hot-plugged - im on debian, and it doesn't seem to do this... which package would I need to install to get this to function |
| 05:46.52 | Azar | Rodietze: its like making your bed: the way you set it up that way you will sleep |
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| 05:47.24 | Rodietze | exactly |
| 05:48.42 | Amarande | Rodietze: the easiest way to get a desktop system up and running |
| 05:48.44 | rend | Azar, that doesnt answer my question... |
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| 05:48.47 | pjv | anyone here familiar with ppp chat script? i want to tell my modem that not to wait for a dial tone and just dial the number |
| 05:48.47 | nvz | Rodietze: base-config, tasksel, aptitude, dselect |
| 05:48.51 | rend | azar, where is the debian package for fxscintilla-1.63? |
| 05:48.57 | Amarande | is to run 'aptitude' and select the 'desktop computer' or similar looking task from tasks |
| 05:49.03 | Amarande | hit + on that |
| 05:49.04 | Amarande | then hit g |
| 05:49.05 | nvz | Rodietze: any of the above. if you have not completed base-config you should do that |
| 05:49.06 | Amarande | then hit g again |
| 05:49.13 | Gnea | rend: very interesting... well i doubt there are any debs out there for it, so i see why you're trying to compile it - are you aware of the licensing issue? |
| 05:49.25 | Rodietze | nvz Amarande thanks |
| 05:49.42 | Amarande | note that that doesn't install compiler tools, though |
| 05:49.47 | Amarande | if you want those later, you have to install the packages |
| 05:49.54 | Amarande | but it's very easy to install packages under debian |
| 05:49.56 | Rodietze | Amarande oh no problems I need just the enough |
| 05:50.04 | Amarande | even if you just want to install one package |
| 05:50.11 | Amarande | just do apt-get install packagename |
| 05:50.17 | Rodietze | Amarande but where do I find 'desktop computer'? on that list? |
| 05:50.19 | Amarande | and it will automatically fetch anything else it needs |
| 05:50.21 | Amarande | under "tasks" |
| 05:50.33 | Amarande | hit enter to uncollapse the menu |
| 05:50.54 | Rodietze | oh ok thanks, there I go for a new try |
| 05:51.11 | Azar | rand, if the debian / stable archive does not have it, and you burn to have it, move to the testing distro |
| 05:51.13 | rend | Gnea, i just want to get it going so that i can get an this ruby ide working. |
| 05:51.35 | rend | so testing maybe better for a development box? |
| 05:51.42 | nvz | interesting I didnt know aptitude had tasks.. though doesnt seem to have as many as tasksel |
| 05:51.43 | Dwonis | rend: for sure |
| 05:51.51 | rend | ok.. then how do i convert? |
| 05:51.58 | Gnea | rend: my bad, it *IS* debian compatible (the license is) |
| 05:52.09 | nvz | !tell rend about sarge -> etch |
| 05:52.28 | nvz | !tell rend about stable -> testing |
| 05:52.44 | nvz | !tell dpkg he is a fucking moron |
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| 05:53.10 | nvz | !tell rend about sarge->etch |
| 05:53.12 | rend | !tell nvz fuck you nigger |
| 05:53.25 | Gnea | !tell nvz about idiot |
| 05:53.40 | Gnea | rend: keep your texan ridicules to yourself. |
| 05:53.44 | Azar | stop acting like the us politicians |
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| 05:54.07 | rend | sorry. houston is being attacked by refugees |
| 05:54.14 | nvz | I am just trying to answer a question.. the rest of you are being political |
| 05:54.19 | Gnea | so? |
| 05:54.25 | Dwonis | You like the cup. Drink from the cup. |
| 05:54.28 | Gnea | i don't give a fuck. |
| 05:54.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:54.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@67.10.81.6] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:54.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:54.54 | dondelelcaro | rend: that type of behavoir is innapropriate here regardless of the circumstances. |
| 05:55.02 | Azar | ok who made it on the list? |
| 05:55.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: likewise. |
| 05:55.13 | nvz | ? |
| 05:55.21 | Gnea | nvz: you egged him on |
| 05:55.22 | Azar | bot abuse |
| 05:55.30 | Phated | Whew. Quick draw dondelelcaro. Fastest keys in the west. Or east. |
| 05:55.46 | nvz | I tried to tell him how to upgrade to testing for development, personally I have no idea wtf you all are talking about |
| 05:56.05 | Gnea | nvz: it wouldn't matter, there's no package for what he needs to install |
| 05:56.13 | nvz | then I was called an idiot and a nigger |
| 05:56.16 | Gnea | except for the libraries |
| 05:56.36 | Gnea | well yeah, just for calling you a nigger, that's grounds for not helping him anymore |
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| 05:56.43 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 05:56.59 | Amarande | Is there a way to quit out of an IRC server in xchat and automatically close all the channel windows as well? |
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| 05:57.18 | nvz | well sounds like a plan.. I am going to go act like I am working or something. |
| 05:57.22 | Azar | Amarande try #xchat |
| 05:57.23 | Gnea | nvz: but i've met people from houstan before, they're not all like that |
| 05:57.25 | Icarox | clear |
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| 05:57.35 | Icarox | ls |
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| 05:57.58 | nvz | Gnea: heh, I've been there before myself ;) |
| 05:57.58 | Gnea | and ban/quiet evasion |
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| 05:58.11 | nvz | yeah that will get you popularity |
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| 05:58.21 | Gnea | nvz: i haven't, thank god :) |
| 05:58.44 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:58.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/rend/x-000000001] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:58.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:58.56 | wireddd | its too bad people can't get along |
| 05:59.01 | dondelelcaro | rend: I hope you realize that using your cloak to evade a quiet is grounds for having it removed... |
| 05:59.04 | Icarox | !hexedit |
| 05:59.38 | Gnea | Icarox: what? |
| 05:59.39 | Azar | I guess the topic was already clarified ... right? stable / testing issue |
| 05:59.59 | Icarox | i'm looking for the package hexedit |
| 06:00.09 | Icarox | Gnea, i'm looking for the package hexedit |
| 06:00.26 | Azar | hmm is there a hexedit for linux? |
| 06:00.27 | Gnea | Icarox: do you prefer vim or emacs? |
| 06:00.30 | dondelelcaro | Icarox: it's in debian... |
| 06:00.35 | dondelelcaro | !+info hexedit |
| 06:00.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 06:00.43 | dpkg | hexedit: (view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.2.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 06:01.01 | Gnea | hexer is like vim, but it's a hex editor too |
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| 06:01.13 | Gnea | er, it *IS* a hex editor |
| 06:01.14 | Gnea | -too |
| 06:01.23 | Icarox | Gnea, dondelelcaro: you don't know the hexedit ? |
| 06:01.37 | Icarox | is a command u know |
| 06:01.44 | Gnea | Icarox: why don't you install it? |
| 06:01.56 | Azar | Icarox: dondelecaro already told you about |
| 06:02.21 | Icarox | ok |
| 06:02.55 | Amarande | okay, time to head off to bed and allow my eyes some more rest from 60 Hz until tomorrow when the GeForce comes. |
| 06:03.07 | Azar | everytime someone pms me, it also tryes his luck at my box wtf is with the pm thing? |
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| 06:05.18 | Amarande | azar: "tryes his luck at my box"? |
| 06:05.24 | King_Brad | is there a command in debian like windows "chkdsk" ?? |
| 06:05.27 | Amarande | you mean someone's trying to hack you? |
| 06:05.29 | Azar | tries* |
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| 06:05.46 | Azar | no I mean someone tries to gain access |
| 06:05.55 | Gnea | King_Brad: there's fsck, but that's more like scandisk - filesystem should be unmounted before using |
| 06:05.58 | Zenethian | Has anyone updated to Xorg 6.9 and found their system to be extremely slow? I get major slowdown all the time. Several editor apps struggle just putting type on the screen, and the Xorg process is taking up like 70% CPU when typing in those apps. Other apps, like Xchat and emacs do OK. I can't explain it at all. |
| 06:06.01 | King_Brad | cool |
| 06:06.02 | King_Brad | thx |
| 06:06.05 | Amarande | yah, that's what's usually implied by 'someone's trying to hack you' |
| 06:06.07 | Gnea | Azar: so they tried to crack you? |
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| 06:06.17 | Azar | Gnea yes |
| 06:06.23 | Gnea | Amarande: only if you let the media run your life |
| 06:06.33 | Azar | the moment I took action they told me good night and pooff |
| 06:06.35 | wireddd | Zenethian, yeah I run into that sometimes too |
| 06:06.51 | wireddd | but it is infrequent |
| 06:06.56 | Amarande | Well, I think 'hack' can be used in both senses here, when referring to a box. After all, basically, hacking stuff that belongs to you is good. Hacking things that don't belong to you is usually bad. :) |
| 06:06.59 | Zenethian | it's happening to me all the time |
| 06:07.07 | Zenethian | maybe I'll revert to an older nvidia driver. |
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| 06:07.15 | Zenethian | my graphical painting is slow too |
| 06:07.19 | Zenethian | I may disable randr |
| 06:07.25 | Zenethian | and other 'extras' |
| 06:07.26 | Zenethian | first |
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| 06:08.07 | Dwonis | Also, "cracking" is the removal of user restrictions in proprietary software, which could also be considered less despicable than breaking into people's computers |
| 06:08.19 | Amarande | Painting on your own canvas is good. Painting on someone else's canvas is vandalism. :) |
| 06:08.28 | chealer_ | Zenethian: you'd rather try a free driver |
| 06:08.35 | Gnea | !cracking |
| 06:08.35 | dpkg | methinks cracking is the politically correct term for unlawfully acessing or altering or destorying data without the owner's permission act of gaining unauthourised access on another person's, orgainsation's computing systems |
| 06:08.38 | Zenethian | no, I wouldn't rather try a free driver |
| 06:08.39 | nevyn | Dwonis: should disrespect for other peoples property ever be condoned. |
| 06:08.44 | nevyn | ? |
| 06:08.48 | Zenethian | until the free driver gives me 80fps in Unreal Tournament. |
| 06:08.49 | Zenethian | :P |
| 06:08.57 | Gnea | !hacking |
| 06:08.57 | dpkg | the art of hacking your ass with a midi tower case |
| 06:09.02 | Gnea | hehehe :) |
| 06:09.04 | Amarande | Zenethian, by the way, which versions of UT are supported in linux? |
| 06:09.07 | Amarande | original, or 2004? |
| 06:09.09 | Zenethian | both |
| 06:09.11 | Zenethian | and 2003 |
| 06:09.17 | Amarande | and how exactly do you go about -installing- it under linux? |
| 06:09.20 | Zenethian | and 2007 will as well, when it's released. :) |
| 06:09.23 | Amarande | or do you need a windows box to do the install from first? |
| 06:09.26 | Zenethian | no |
| 06:09.28 | Dwonis | nevyn: What do you mean, exactly? I consider software that tries to act against the wishes of the owner of the computer to be unethical. |
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| 06:09.32 | Zenethian | the company ships with a linux installer |
| 06:09.32 | chealer_ | Zenethian: heh. depends on your CPU, but you'd rather try a free drier anyway to see if the nvidia driver is causing your problem |
| 06:09.51 | Dwonis | nevyn: Note that "cracking software" does not necessarily imply copyright infringement, although it's used for that. |
| 06:09.53 | Zenethian | chealer_: ah, I see what you mean. I'm used to people being smartasses and whining about the nvidia drivers. ;) |
| 06:10.09 | Amarande | I know Neverwinter Nights is supposed to work on linux too, though I'll have to look into installing it |
| 06:10.15 | Zenethian | yeah |
| 06:10.19 | Zenethian | it's the other game I play |
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| 06:10.22 | Zenethian | installs like a champ |
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| 06:10.30 | Zenethian | you have to download that installer |
| 06:10.31 | Amarande | zene: can you install it under your home dir or do you need to do a global install as root |
| 06:10.32 | Zenethian | but it works great |
| 06:10.50 | nevyn | Dwonis: true.. but somewhat circumventing licencing causes more insane licencing enforcement schemes... vicious feedback circle |
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| 06:11.10 | mola28 | chkdsk uesd used to check disk after suden---- |
| 06:11.11 | Amarande | nevyn: you forget the first law of software piracy, though |
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| 06:11.32 | Amarande | The more complicated the mechanism used to protect a given piece of software, the sooner the pirated version will be out compared to the release date of the legitimate. |
| 06:11.37 | Dwonis | nevyn: In many jurisdictions, technical "licensing" restrictions are bogus, legally. |
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| 06:11.46 | Amarande | I think copy protection actually attracts pirates. |
| 06:11.54 | nevyn | it's a challenge |
| 06:11.58 | nadia007 | trying to install x264 codec, but get following err when installing... any suggestions would be welcomed! "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/installwatch.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored." |
| 06:12.03 | Amarande | It's like the pesticide that attracted the locusts in that stupid cliched bughunt movie on sci-fi the other day. |
| 06:12.21 | Dwonis | nevyn: i.e. just because Microsoft says "you may only use this software on two-CPU systems" doesn't mean it's copyright infringement to modify Windows to run on 64-CPU systems |
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| 06:12.33 | Amarande | They had a WHOLE DAY of cliched bughunt movies, actually heh |
| 06:14.15 | wireddd | there isn't a debian package for an UT demo is there? |
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| 06:15.40 | Tak|home | anybody know if there's a gpg key for amd64.debian.net ? |
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| 06:16.26 | Amarande | Anyway, now I'm really off to bed. |
| 06:16.37 | AssAssIn | I have 2 questions |
| 06:16.37 | Dwonis | likewise |
| 06:16.54 | Dwonis | !tell AssAssIn about ask to ask |
| 06:17.00 | AssAssIn | a) how can I instal kernel from src> |
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| 06:17.17 | nick23 | Enlightenment 17 on Debian unstable yet? |
| 06:17.37 | Tak|home | it isn't even released yet |
| 06:17.51 | nick23 | oh...sorry |
| 06:18.00 | nick23 | Ive been seeing screenshots..betas must be |
| 06:18.01 | Azar | AssAssIn: it will be nice if you take one hour read about apt magics |
| 06:18.10 | Tak|home | only alpha |
| 06:18.15 | AssAssIn | I tried make menuconfig, make modules_install install but for booting it needs initdr.img ... |
| 06:18.19 | Tak|home | people just love to build from cvs and install though |
| 06:18.26 | nick23 | it looks really sweet so far - can't wait |
| 06:18.41 | Gnea | !tell AssAssIn -about kernel-package |
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| 06:22.07 | AssAssIn | Gnea to make sure, I download bzipped kernel source from kernel.org |
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| 06:22.30 | Gnea | AssAssIn: no, download the kernel-source package from apt |
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| 06:22.45 | AssAssIn | Gnea and from tahat bzipped? |
| 06:22.49 | Gnea | AssAssIn: c'mon, read it: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 06:25.37 | AssAssIn | Gnea I downlaod it and I'll read it at home, OK? |
| 06:25.44 | AssAssIn | THX for help |
| 06:26.39 | dondelelcaro | 4.6 million meat |
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| 06:26.46 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
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| 06:28.36 | kcent | Can someone help me with squidGuard? squid doesn't seem to be redirecting to it correctly. |
| 06:29.23 | typewriter | does debian use a make.conf where i can set global cflags/ |
| 06:29.30 | typewriter | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu_p3 |
| 06:29.31 | Azar | I sent notification at bugs but they still did not removed the non-us references from the apt manual |
| 06:29.42 | typewriter | im looking at that guide, and its telling me to download the linux kernel myself? |
| 06:29.48 | dondelelcaro | typewriter: no, there's no reason to do so. |
| 06:29.52 | typewriter | err wrong chan |
| 06:29.58 | Azar | :D |
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| 06:33.09 | minwoo | hi |
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| 06:33.42 | minwoo | KIN |
| 06:34.10 | Gnea | !troll minwoo |
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| 06:34.17 | minwoo | hi |
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| 06:35.07 | Azar | I like better newsforge's apt-get primer article is easier on newbies |
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| 06:35.40 | Zenethian | How do I force a downgrade of a package? Can it be done using apt? I'd like to downgrade from the 'unstab;e |
| 06:35.43 | Zenethian | ergh |
| 06:35.49 | buu | Anyone have an article on optimizing ethernet speeds? |
| 06:35.51 | Zenethian | from the 'unstable' to the 'testing' version of xorg |
| 06:36.09 | Azar | Zenethian: downgrade the Debian is not possible: reinstall stable |
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| 06:36.21 | Azar | Zenethian: ah ok |
| 06:36.29 | icaro_ | dondelelcaro, are you the OP _? |
| 06:37.35 | Zenethian | hrm |
| 06:37.42 | buu | Hrm, how do you turn off encryption for scp? |
| 06:37.47 | Zenethian | I just need to downgrade a single set of packages. |
| 06:37.52 | Zenethian | buu: why in the world would you do that? |
| 06:38.14 | buu | Zenethian: Speed. |
| 06:38.22 | Zenethian | ftp? |
| 06:38.31 | buu | I don't have an ftp server installed =/ |
| 06:38.58 | Zenethian | unless you're copying across 486 machines, I don't think the encryption slows it down that much. |
| 06:39.14 | Zenethian | my good ole PII uses only a few percent of CPU when scping. |
| 06:39.38 | dondelelcaro | icaro_: ? |
| 06:40.19 | buu | Zenethian: I'm only getting 10MB/s so I think I'm cpu bound here |
| 06:40.19 | Zenethian | there might be a null cypher you can choose with -c |
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| 06:40.28 | Zenethian | buu: on what kinda machines? |
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| 06:40.30 | Gnea | buu: use ftp |
| 06:40.31 | maelztrom | join #openbsd |
| 06:40.32 | dondelelcaro | Zenethian: just add the appropriate snapshot.debian.net line to your sources.list and use apt-get install foopackage=fooversion; or aptitude; to select the exact version you want installed. |
| 06:40.39 | maelztrom | argh, I advertised :( |
| 06:40.42 | buu | Zenethian: 1.4ghz or so |
| 06:40.46 | Zenethian | hah |
| 06:40.46 | buu | Gnea: Gar. |
| 06:40.49 | Zenethian | it's definitely not CPU |
| 06:40.52 | Zenethian | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 06:41.04 | buu | Zenethian: Yeah it is |
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| 06:41.06 | buu | I'm mazing my cpu |
| 06:41.06 | Gnea | buu: it transfers files without encryption - scp is all about encryption |
| 06:41.17 | Zenethian | do you have DMA turned on? |
| 06:41.20 | Zenethian | on your disks? |
| 06:41.24 | buu | I think so |
| 06:41.30 | buu | Gnea: What's a simple ftp server? |
| 06:41.32 | Zenethian | hdparm -c /dev/hdX |
| 06:41.37 | Gnea | buu: proftpd |
| 06:41.49 | Zenethian | and -d |
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| 06:41.57 | Zenethian | make sure it's set for 32 bit and DMA |
| 06:42.03 | buu | Zenethian: Yep. |
| 06:42.09 | buu | And cpu hits about 85% and maxes |
| 06:42.15 | buu | Load shoots up and so on. |
| 06:42.19 | Zenethian | weird. you must do some crazy stuff or have a bad kernel compile. |
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| 06:42.44 | buu | Zenethian: Er, why? |
| 06:42.45 | Zenethian | because I even just tried it now, and copying a 700mb file across gigabit networking took up only 18% CPU on my PII 450mhz |
| 06:42.50 | buu | Really? |
| 06:42.57 | buu | Which cypher is your scp using/ |
| 06:42.58 | iciclebox | My system loads till this: Starting system log daemon: syslogdchmod: changing permissions of '/dev/xconsole': Read-only file system |
| 06:43.02 | Zenethian | the default |
| 06:43.03 | iciclebox | then it freezes and stops loading |
| 06:43.08 | buu | That is odd. |
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| 06:43.56 | iciclebox | can anyone help? this occurred only after I installed X |
| 06:44.10 | buu | gah, stupid ftp |
| 06:44.54 | Azar | iciclebox: do not paste here |
| 06:45.13 | tripppy | has anyone try xebian on the xbox? |
| 06:45.31 | Azar | tripppy: this is #debian |
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| 06:45.41 | Zenethian | tripppy: yeah, it's pretty neat, but it isn't an actual debian distribution. |
| 06:45.52 | kcent | Can someone help me with squidGuard? squid doesn't seem to be redirecting to it correctly. |
| 06:46.03 | buu | Gnea: Ok and what's an ftp client that will give me speed output? |
| 06:46.24 | kcent | I can't remember the last time something from debian stable was this hard to use... |
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| 06:46.27 | Gnea | buu: lftp |
| 06:46.54 | buu | 18888.5 KB/s |
| 06:46.57 | buu | That's better.. |
| 06:47.04 | buu | But still not what it should be. |
| 06:47.38 | mhall | Does anybody know of a channel for software engineering or UML 2.0? |
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| 06:47.57 | iciclebox | Azar: ok. er how should I describe my problem? |
| 06:48.12 | Gnea | !tell iciclebox -about ask |
| 06:48.13 | Azar | iciclebox: is your X working? |
| 06:48.30 | buu | Gnea: Any idea how to get more speed? |
| 06:48.48 | Gnea | buu: what do you have? is it just on a lan or internet? |
| 06:48.54 | buu | gige lan |
| 06:49.03 | iciclebox | after installing X, I loaded it. the screen came up, then it froze. or maybe I was just impatient |
| 06:49.14 | iciclebox | so i restarted the system, and now it refuses to boot into the login prompt |
| 06:49.33 | Azar | iciclebox: what Debian version are you using? |
| 06:49.35 | Gnea | buu: manufacturers, model #'s? |
| 06:49.40 | iciclebox | woody |
| 06:49.47 | Azar | bah ok |
| 06:49.53 | Azar | what is your video card name? |
| 06:50.09 | iciclebox | Inno3d Geforce2 |
| 06:50.10 | buu | Gnea: One is a linksys.. |
| 06:50.17 | buu | Gnea: The other is a marvel nforce4 onboard |
| 06:50.28 | Gnea | buu: who makes the switch? |
| 06:50.33 | buu | linksys |
| 06:50.41 | Azar | ok iciclebox next time when you ask first state: I am using Debian Woody, kernel x.xx, video card such and I have this problem.. |
| 06:50.41 | buu | gig switch obviously. |
| 06:50.43 | Gnea | what cable are you using? |
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| 06:51.00 | Azar | iciclebox: any reason you are running woody? you want it or it just happened? |
| 06:51.07 | Gnea | cat5? cat5e? cat6? |
| 06:51.29 | iciclebox | Azar: I want to learn how to upgrade to sarge, instead of just downloading sarge |
| 06:51.38 | buu | Gnea: No idea. |
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| 06:51.42 | Azar | iciclebox: GOOD you are on my side there |
| 06:51.52 | Gnea | buu: that's probably part of the problem |
| 06:51.55 | Azar | iciclebox: you know about apt sources.list? |
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| 06:52.07 | Gnea | buu: cat6 should be used on any gig lan |
| 06:52.16 | buu | "ETL cat.5 utp" |
| 06:52.17 | iciclebox | yes I have us, non-us and security in that list |
| 06:52.29 | buu | Gnea: Really? I thought cat5 did gig e |
| 06:52.46 | Gnea | nope, cat5 is only rated for 10 and 100, not 1000 |
| 06:52.49 | Azar | iciclebox: do you have any means to use a browser now and dedicate half hour to a good read? |
| 06:53.06 | Azar | iciclebox: after you read I can help you |
| 06:53.06 | iciclebox | yes, I rebooted to windows :) |
| 06:53.11 | Azar | ok |
| 06:53.45 | buu | Gnea: Hmph. |
| 06:53.48 | Azar | http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 << iciclebox the article is old when Sarge was in testing but is good |
| 06:54.26 | iciclebox | all right thanks for your help |
| 06:54.37 | Azar | iciclebox: non-us are not anymore good so edit your sources.list to show only / woody main non-free contrib at the end of sources |
| 06:55.28 | iciclebox | Azar: ok. mine currently shows 'stable main contrib non-free'. is there a need to change 'stable' to 'woody'? |
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| 06:56.22 | Azar | iciclebox: you will be amazed to find that woody is the OLD stable, Sarge is the stable now, Etch is the testing, Sid is the unstable |
| 06:56.37 | Gnea | iciclebox: it might be good to change it to sarge |
| 06:56.45 | Azar | you want to upgrade huh ok, install aptitude |
| 06:57.10 | Azar | then run aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:57.23 | Azar | after upgrading go and get a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 06:57.54 | Azar | after upgrading the kernel install X-server then do a nvidia one liner from here |
| 06:58.48 | Azar | iciclebox: if you got "stable" in your sources means that you already are running a half upgraded to Sarge |
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| 06:59.11 | iciclebox | oh. I copied the stable from somewhere on the net |
| 06:59.16 | buu | Hrm. What's the best way to do nfs/ |
| 06:59.23 | Supaplex | don't |
| 06:59.25 | Azar | iciclebox: that is ok |
| 06:59.28 | buu | Is there a superiour native version or just samba/ |
| 06:59.45 | buu | Supaplex: Eh? |
| 06:59.50 | Azar | iciclebox: you will not be able to run X with a 2.4.18 kernel and nvidia driver not installed |
| 07:00.06 | Supaplex | buu: joke :) |
| 07:00.07 | Azar | in warge |
| 07:00.12 | Gnea | !smb2 |
| 07:00.12 | dpkg | hmm... smb2 is the new SMB (ask me about "smb"), and has been released by the Samba team in a testing phase (READ: NOT for production servers!!!) in the new Samba 4. http://us4.samba.org/samba/news/#4.0.0tp1 |
| 07:00.12 | iciclebox | Azar: is there a link where I can learn how to upgrade. eg how to do a kernel upgrade? I am somewhat new to the linux thing |
| 07:00.25 | Supaplex | buu: eg, the best way to use sendmail, is not to ;) |
| 07:00.33 | Azar | iciclebox: you should first use aptitude to dist-upgrade |
| 07:00.52 | Azar | then read the article I showed you it will tell you how to "search" for a kernel |
| 07:00.59 | buu | Supaplex: Eh, I'm lazy |
| 07:01.00 | iciclebox | ok, can do. thanks |
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| 07:01.14 | buu | Supaplex: That and I need filesystem like access to a hd on another box, so |
| 07:01.47 | Supaplex | buu: gl =) |
| 07:01.58 | buu | Supaplex: Why? |
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| 07:02.19 | Supaplex | I gave up. I didn't try that hard, but it's bewildering I guess :/ |
| 07:02.29 | buu | Really? |
| 07:02.31 | Azar | iciclebox: apt-cache search kernel-image will give you a list of kernels available check for the most appropriate for your CPU (amd or intel) for a 2.6.8 series |
| 07:02.42 | mhall | Does anybody know of a channel for software engineering or UML 2.0? |
| 07:02.55 | Supaplex | buu: I'm sure there's a few good solutions out there |
| 07:03.03 | iciclebox | Azar: apt-get similar to aptitude? |
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| 07:03.17 | Azar | iciclebox: when you found out the one you need, write it down then do : aptitude install kernel-image(yourchoicehere) |
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| 07:03.29 | Gnea | rend: figured it out yet? |
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| 07:03.45 | Azar | iciclebox: aptitude helps better in resolving dependencies when you install a major system package apt-get is more for small packages |
| 07:03.50 | nvz | Gnea: yes he has |
| 07:04.09 | buu | Supaplex: What do I need to install to get nfs? |
| 07:04.13 | buu | IS it a kernel thing? |
| 07:04.55 | buu | Ah, nfs-kernel-server |
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| 07:05.12 | iciclebox | Azar: thanks lots |
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| 07:05.23 | Azar | iciclebox: good luck |
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| 07:08.04 | typewriter | ok so im missing a linux module... and itll be too much trouble to build it from src on the current machine, can i just build the module on another machine with the same kernel version and build it for the same arch and just use that instead/ |
| 07:08.36 | mhall | what is the word that you get in this situation. A depends on B, so B __________ A. i need it for naming some stuff in a class hierarchy |
| 07:08.44 | nevyn | typewriter: build an entire kernel deb if you're going to do that |
| 07:08.58 | delox99 | help i am having DNS issues |
| 07:08.59 | nevyn | ~tell typewriter about kernel-package |
| 07:09.03 | typewriter | cant |
| 07:09.17 | typewriter | because it's a patched kernel |
| 07:09.22 | trym | where is the freetds libraries in debian? |
| 07:09.33 | typewriter | and besides the machine is too slow to build the src on |
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| 07:11.49 | delox99 | ihave updated all possible files and still when i ping the name it gives me the old address |
| 07:11.59 | sep | mhall, provides a dependency? i may be far out on the wrong field tho, english is not my native language |
| 07:12.32 | SerajewelKS | mhall: "B satisfies A's dependency?" |
| 07:12.36 | sep | delox99, try asking your nameserver for the name see what it returns. also check if you have some name caching daemon running. |
| 07:13.05 | SerajewelKS | mhall: "B is required by A?" i have a few more if you want them. |
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| 07:13.27 | delox99 | my name server is returning the good ip |
| 07:14.06 | delox99 | my client computer here is returning the wrong one and any other ping tools i use on the net is returning the old one too |
| 07:14.27 | SerajewelKS | delox99: probably ISP-level caching.. check the TTL on the record from dif |
| 07:14.32 | SerajewelKS | dig* |
| 07:14.39 | delox99 | i thought it might be caused by cache but i cleared my local cache |
| 07:14.49 | jetscreamer | there is some bind-host that gets installed by default.. nm |
| 07:14.50 | delox99 | yeha that s what i thought |
| 07:15.01 | delox99 | but its been a couple weeks now |
| 07:15.02 | buu | Hrm. |
| 07:15.07 | dominicano | hello |
| 07:15.09 | SerajewelKS | delox99: weeks? O_o |
| 07:15.20 | SerajewelKS | delox99: no ISP i've seen caches for more than 10 minutes |
| 07:15.25 | delox99 | and every other tools i use on the net is giving the wrong address |
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| 07:15.40 | delox99 | exactly thats the problem |
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| 07:15.46 | SerajewelKS | delox99: can you give us the domain name and the IP of your nameserver? |
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| 07:15.59 | jetscreamer | i'd check the top level root servers |
| 07:16.05 | delox99 | domain name is alluet.com |
| 07:16.05 | jetscreamer | if it was me but i know nothing |
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| 07:16.26 | SerajewelKS | delox99: what do you expect the IP address to be? |
| 07:16.26 | buu | Oh dear god, how do I kill this cp |
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| 07:16.39 | delox99 | 206.248.149.60 |
| 07:16.49 | nevyn | typewriter: why can't you |
| 07:16.50 | SerajewelKS | delox99: that's the IP address i see |
| 07:16.50 | delox99 | now ping ns1.alluet.com should be the same ip |
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| 07:17.05 | nevyn | just patch the kernel on the other box build an entire kernel deb of your patched kernel |
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| 07:17.18 | delox99 | but it s not |
| 07:17.25 | mateusz | Hi, bluez-utils depends on devfsd what am I suppose to use on sid ?? |
| 07:17.30 | buu | Ahah, I have defeated the cp. |
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| 07:17.54 | SerajewelKS | delox99: that's the IP of ns2 |
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| 07:18.07 | SerajewelKS | delox99: are both of your nameservers running on the same box? |
| 07:18.17 | delox99 | i once configured it to point to that old 209.87.229.58 |
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| 07:18.32 | delox99 | but now i have changed all my configs a while ago |
| 07:18.43 | delox99 | yeah for now |
| 07:18.43 | jetscreamer | is 209.87.229.58 ns1.alluet.com |
| 07:18.55 | jetscreamer | it certainly seems so |
| 07:18.59 | nvz | Gnea: see pastebin.com/531776 |
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| 07:19.12 | Gnea | nvz: why? |
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| 07:19.28 | SerajewelKS | delox99: delox99 so ns1 and ns2 should point to the same IP? |
| 07:19.31 | nvz | Gnea: it was blow way out of proprtion, he knows what happened and so do I |
| 07:19.31 | delox99 | ns1.alluet.com is returning 209.87.229.58 but should return 206.248.149.60 |
| 07:19.37 | jetscreamer | and ns2 is 209.87.229.59 |
| 07:19.41 | tung | hey, this might be a silly question, but i just install debian sarge, i only have two start menus (applications and actions), my other debian box has 3 start menus, what do i have to apt-get to get all three menus? |
| 07:19.43 | delox99 | yes |
| 07:19.48 | jetscreamer | fix it at your registrar if that's wrong |
| 07:20.02 | Gnea | nvz: good point - i see a blank page |
| 07:20.07 | jetscreamer | namescout.com |
| 07:20.12 | delox99 | yeah ns2 is supposed to go to 20.248.149.60 too |
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| 07:20.42 | delox99 | well no ns2 should end with 61 instead of 60 |
| 07:20.43 | nvz | Gnea: heh http://pastebin.com/531766 :P |
| 07:20.49 | Azar | delox99: isn't that should be fixed by your ISP ? |
| 07:20.57 | jetscreamer | fix it at namescout.com |
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| 07:21.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:21.20 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:21.38 | SerajewelKS | delox99: i see: ns1.alluet.com. 172545 IN A 209.87.229.58 |
| 07:21.39 | tarzeau | Azar: an ISP doesn't need to provide dns |
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| 07:21.45 | SerajewelKS | delox99: and ns2.alluet.com. 172770 IN A 209.87.229.59 |
| 07:21.46 | Rodietze | uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 07:21.47 | nvz | Gnea: I dont think don was paying anymore attention to the conversation than I was. but he said 24 hours |
| 07:21.56 | nvz | Gnea: or so I've heard |
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| 07:22.08 | Azar | tarzeau but when I set up my domain name I had to ask the ISP to help with assigning the name to the address |
| 07:22.20 | Rodietze | success! I've set dvd, nvidia gpu and sound in a while! |
| 07:22.28 | mateusz | I have kernel 2.6.14 and I use udev, when I try to install bluez-utils, apt wants to remove many important packages and install devfsd, what am I suppose to use for bluetooth ? Plz help |
| 07:22.56 | delox99 | yeah i fixed it at my registrar that is domainsatcost.ca but i checked a box asking if i wanted to protect my domain from spam and they explained that namescout.com hide the whois info |
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| 07:23.14 | delox99 | maybe i have to update my settings at namescou too |
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| 07:23.38 | Azar | whomever does the pointing of the name to the address |
| 07:23.46 | Rodietze | /* hey can I use all the *.deb that I got from Ubuntu in my Sarge? */ |
| 07:23.53 | Thanatermesis | i don't know why but i continue to have MEMLEAK problems on my X |
| 07:23.55 | delox99 | i think it should be domainsatcost |
| 07:24.06 | Thanatermesis | any person has MEMLEAK problems on the X of xorg ? |
| 07:24.14 | Azar | Rodietze: I guess not, ubuntu is NOT debian and debian is NOT ubuntu |
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| 07:24.41 | Gnea | nvz: i see now. well, i'm no one's go-between. what's done is done. |
| 07:24.47 | Rodietze | Azar but but,,, :( |
| 07:24.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I did read the scrollback enough to see what the issue was; insulting people in either direction isn't appropriate... |
| 07:24.59 | dondelelcaro | (and insulting bots is rather pointless...) |
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| 07:25.09 | Azar | Rodietze: you only have to stick with one: either debian or ubuntu |
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| 07:25.32 | Azar | Rodietze: try to eat soup with a fork |
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| 07:25.42 | Rodietze | Azar lol |
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| 07:26.11 | jetscreamer | domains@cost must be a reseller :) |
| 07:26.19 | dondelelcaro | Rodietze: sure it is... you just take the fork, set it down, and drink from the bowl... |
| 07:26.43 | Azar | :) dondelecaro knows all the magick |
| 07:26.45 | Rodietze | hehe |
| 07:26.50 | Harryl | anyone use live cd's based on debian? |
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| 07:27.18 | Azar | Harryl: "based on" debian is not debian |
| 07:27.26 | Harryl | yeah I know |
| 07:27.34 | buu | Hrm. Is there a cli ftp client that does recursive uploads? |
| 07:27.56 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 07:27.57 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 07:28.04 | Gnea | !beer #debian |
| 07:28.15 | Harryl | wondering why my first debian ran like crap compared to dynebolic |
| 07:28.15 | Rodietze | Azar but if I use alien to change them to tgz? |
| 07:28.27 | Thanatermesis | any person has MEMLEAK problems on the X of xorg ? |
| 07:28.48 | jetscreamer | Harryl: #kanotix |
| 07:29.00 | Azar | Rodietze: learn how to work and be happy with debian packages there are thousands and thousands of them, no need to try using from another distro |
| 07:29.03 | dondelelcaro | buu: lftp |
| 07:29.09 | dominicano | what happen if I do #wget -r http://wikipedia.org ? |
| 07:29.13 | dondelelcaro | buu: it has a 'mirror' command that does what you want to do |
| 07:29.20 | jetscreamer | Rodietze: didn't i just see you in some other channel? :) |
| 07:29.20 | delox99 | i read on domainsatcost that every modification should be done through master domainsatcost domain and i did |
| 07:29.25 | buu | dondelelcaro: oh, that's the command. |
| 07:29.28 | Rodietze | Azar coz I have 56k :) and it would be pure pain to get all of them for debian |
| 07:29.43 | jetscreamer | delox99: shoot em off a 'wtf!' email |
| 07:29.45 | Rodietze | jetscreamer yes :} I was ex-Ubuntu |
| 07:29.52 | delox99 | maybe there s something wrong with their system |
| 07:30.00 | delox99 | yup i ll do |
| 07:30.17 | Azar | Rodietze: what is not making you happy what or why do you want ubuntu stuff in debian? |
| 07:30.27 | tarzeau | buu: lftp? |
| 07:30.33 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: ah you were faster |
| 07:30.35 | delox99 | thx for the help |
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| 07:30.48 | Rodietze | Azar I just don't have time to get Debian packages.. when I have all the ubuntu in 5 CDS |
| 07:30.55 | jetscreamer | i always wanna say 'donde el caro' |
| 07:31.03 | jetscreamer | no se |
| 07:31.07 | buu | dondelelcaro: Yay! Happiness. |
| 07:31.30 | Azar | Rodietze: thats not an excuse: install Debian either from the net or get the CDs if not sit with ubuntu |
| 07:32.05 | delox99 | donde el caro -> where is the car? |
| 07:32.14 | jetscreamer | hey dude where's my car? |
| 07:32.23 | jetscreamer | the movie |
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| 07:32.37 | delox99 | y est ou l char? |
| 07:32.44 | delox99 | that s in french |
| 07:33.00 | jetscreamer | the est ou gave it away :) |
| 07:33.01 | delox99 | well more in a quebec slang |
| 07:33.05 | Azar | delox99: that's not french or maybe is some guyana dialect |
| 07:33.11 | jetscreamer | i used to live in pierrefonds |
| 07:33.33 | delox99 | or you can say |
| 07:33.36 | Azar | ou est la voiture? |
| 07:33.49 | delox99 | y est ou l esti de char!!! |
| 07:34.23 | delox99 | means where is the f***ing car!!! |
| 07:34.25 | mhall | anybody have a recommendation between: "umbrello - UML modelling tool and code generator" and "argouml - modelling tool to help you do your design using UML" |
| 07:34.26 | delox99 | hehe |
| 07:34.49 | nevyn | mhall: fleee the evils of uml? |
| 07:35.45 | mhall | delox99: ce n'est pas une voiture |
| 07:35.59 | mhall | nevyn: can't; i'm in software engineering course |
| 07:36.01 | nvz | Gnea: I was just telling you so you could stop beating a that dead horse |
| 07:36.06 | mhall | nevyn: hence why i didn't list that as a choice |
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| 07:36.27 | Gnea | nvz: i realize that, i stopped awhile ago - i was just trying to be objective |
| 07:36.28 | mhall | nevyn: besides i have interviews and they ask you such shit even if they don't expect you'll use it |
| 07:36.28 | nevyn | I did use umbrello for a while. |
| 07:36.35 | nevyn | code generation is evil. |
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| 07:36.39 | nevyn | or can be. |
| 07:36.53 | shad0w1e | anyone know how I can install ALSA on my system? OSS runs fine, ALSA doesnt. I'm running a new system with an nForce 410 chipset |
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| 07:36.56 | mhall | nevyn: and "gaphor - UML modeling tool" |
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| 07:37.08 | mier85 | hi, which release of debian should i use best? kanotix? |
| 07:37.16 | nevyn | it depends if you have a tutor who climbed up suns ass then autogenerating accessors is useful. |
| 07:37.20 | JohnCC | nvz: what do you develop for? java phones? |
| 07:37.24 | owner | ubuntu |
| 07:37.26 | owner | kanotix |
| 07:37.28 | owner | knoppix |
| 07:37.28 | nevyn | mier85: kanotix is not a release of debian |
| 07:37.28 | Gnea | mier85: kanotix isn't a release, it's a based-on distro |
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| 07:37.35 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 07:37.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 07:38.09 | nvz | JohnCC: I dont develop for anything |
| 07:38.15 | mier85 | thanks ~ |
| 07:38.24 | owner | actually gnea, kanotix uses debian repos |
| 07:38.25 | mier85 | can you tell me how to get a filtered package list with apt? |
| 07:38.33 | mhall | nevyn: it's a design course i won't be needing code generation |
| 07:38.39 | JohnCC | nvz: ahh, sorry... there was a comment you made some time back about j2me... |
| 07:38.51 | nvz | JohnCC: I ordered some books on Java Servlets and J2ME programmiong I am thinking about making some things for my phone.. and if I get the hang of it I may jump on the bandwagon |
| 07:38.53 | mhall | nevyn: besides it's usu. more useful in reverse for making a live design doc revision from real software |
| 07:38.55 | Gnea | owner: it does? |
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| 07:39.12 | Usiu | I have a problem I cant install bluez-utils cause apt its going to remove many packages, is this a bug? or what am I suppose to use for bluetooth connecticity ?? Plz help.. :( |
| 07:39.13 | JohnCC | nzv: gotcha, cool... |
| 07:39.25 | nvz | JohnCC: I am looking towardfs networking apps, so I could seell the apps and the service |
| 07:39.31 | jm_ | mier85: what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:39.53 | mier85 | i want to get all available packages with scim in the package name ~ |
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| 07:39.57 | dominicano | !seen |
| 07:39.59 | JohnCC | nvz: what sort of other development have you done? |
| 07:40.08 | jm_ | /msg dpkg search and read |
| 07:40.37 | jm_ | or use tools like grep-dctrl and/or dpkg-awk |
| 07:40.51 | mier85 | jm_: thank you |
| 07:41.59 | Azar | wow wikipedia taking steps in banning ips from govt officials |
| 07:42.08 | nvz | JohnCC: I've just had a mild interest all my life.. I started out with all things BASIC when I was a pre-teenager using Apple II, TI-Basic, and various MS basic's then I learned linux and got intop shell, python, and a little perl. I dont focus too well.. so it helps to work with small projectsd or to use a very limited language where I can learn all the functions entirely and then make everything else |
| 07:42.11 | owner | good idea azar |
| 07:42.26 | Azar | yep I find as a great step |
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| 07:43.38 | nvz | JohnCC: I cant follow whats going on once i have to read a few dozen headers and libraries and shit before I can understand the source file I am looking at. |
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| 07:43.55 | JohnCC | nvz: ok, good luck with it, I'll be interested in how you like it... I've wanted to do some j2me programming, but I don't have a java device (I was excited when I read about the palm jvm, but it doesn't support my device) |
| 07:44.43 | mier85 | the public key thing also works with kanotix xD |
| 07:45.29 | nvz | JohnCC: I thought about Java programming like 6 years ago and lost inteeal fast.. its not a good language or platform for that matter IMO, its just now that I have a j2me phoneit would come in handy, and I could possibly make some money from it |
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| 07:45.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell delox99 -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 07:46.01 | nevyn | nvz: swing is nice |
| 07:46.09 | JohnCC | nvz: Bruce Eckel wrote a decent book on programming java that you can download for free |
| 07:46.14 | nvz | JohnCC: people pay for the conveinience of the software. you can program an arcade classic that hasnt sold for more than $1 in two decades, for like $5 possibly even monthly :P |
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| 07:46.23 | JohnCC | nvz: inteeal? |
| 07:46.26 | nevyn | nvz: ugly.. yes slow .. yes but nice to code |
| 07:46.41 | nvz | JohnCC: I got books comming from Carnegie Library |
| 07:46.42 | |aSa| | hi all |
| 07:46.43 | owner | !dpkg |
| 07:47.19 | JohnCC | nvz: ok, cool... I do most of my development in java and quite like it (I only wish it was free...) |
| 07:47.30 | |aSa| | can somebody help me with unstable/udev? |
| 07:47.32 | nvz | JohnCC: books specifically for wireless java and java servelets |
| 07:47.37 | dondelelcaro | |aSa|: just ask you question |
| 07:47.40 | dondelelcaro | s/you/your/ |
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| 07:48.25 | |aSa| | i can't figure how devices like /dev/lp* /dev/ttyS* and so on can be created |
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| 07:48.40 | JohnCC | nvz: Bruce's book is about java dev in general. Might be worthwhile as a foundation (and something you can flip through until the other books arrive) |
| 07:48.52 | |aSa| | or /dev/parport* - the one i need right now |
| 07:48.54 | nvz | JohnCC: seems free enough for me.. because I dont have to pay to develop apps for my phone which is all I want right now.. I am not really into using it for business yet |
| 07:49.19 | JohnCC | nvz: I meant free as in freedom. You're right, its free as in price... |
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| 07:50.05 | nvz | JohnCC: I already understand basic java ideas from learning it 6 years ago and not taking any real interest. only the syntyax, a subset of the core functions, and a subset of the math stuff is even part of j2me.. and you dont really write j2me anyhow, you write midp which changes from one device to the next |
| 07:50.16 | mhall | How do I convert EPS to PDF? |
| 07:50.28 | dondelelcaro | mhall: epstopdf works fairly well. |
| 07:50.39 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ah i was looking with '2' in apt-cache |
| 07:50.48 | mhall | dondelelcaro: convention violating motherfuckers |
| 07:50.49 | JohnCC | nvz: and you have to write midp specifically for each device your targetting? |
| 07:51.05 | mhall | I should bust a cap on their asses so bad they whistle out their belly buttons. |
| 07:51.16 | dondelelcaro | mhall: heh. yeah, there are about 3 different ways that those programs are written |
| 07:51.21 | nvz | JohnCC: I will be writing generic CLDS 1.0 Midp 1.0 j2me midlets and j2se servlets my phone isnt fancy and doesnt have extra toolkitys like some of them |
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| 07:51.37 | JohnCC | nvz: fair enough, best of luck! |
| 07:51.42 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ... not showing up in apt-cache, and pdo is t3h d34d |
| 07:51.43 | Azar | wow I am sooo out of this world: there popped up Debian books out there! for Sarge! wow |
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| 07:51.57 | nvz | JohnCC: there are variations some devices have double buffering, some dont.. some do advanced backlighting control, some dont.. some have andvance sound hardware and some dont :P |
| 07:52.07 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it's in tetex-bin; dpkg would know too |
| 07:52.18 | mhall | dondelelcaro: yeah i was apt-file updating just now |
| 07:52.18 | Azar | last time I checked, 3 years ago there was only one book and that was written for Potatoe distro |
| 07:53.56 | dondelelcaro | there are two totally different books on sarge out right now... |
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| 07:54.20 | dondelelcaro | well, one about sarge, the other about Debian which deals a bit with sarge |
| 07:54.27 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I just saw one last week but was more for developers, this one I see now is for beginners |
| 07:55.13 | Azar | http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764576445.html << beginners |
| 07:55.31 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes, kraft's _The Debian System_ and mako, ElectricElf, and Jaldhar _The Debian Bible_ |
| 07:55.40 | owner | whats better ubuntu or debian |
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| 07:56.10 | dondelelcaro | owner: this is #debian... what do you think we're going to say? ;-) |
| 07:56.23 | Rawplayer | gentoo!!! |
| 07:56.28 | mhall | owner: if that could be answered we would not have both |
| 07:56.43 | Azar | :) |
| 07:56.44 | Rawplayer | *G* |
| 07:56.52 | dondelelcaro | |aSa|: please, keep it in the channel; I don't use udev. |
| 07:56.58 | mhall | owner: to get from where you are to where you want to be, decide on an application domain |
| 07:57.04 | mhall | !msgsmite |aSa| |
| 07:57.09 | mhall | damn |
| 07:57.18 | opqdonut | how do i get ssl support in firefox? |
| 07:57.28 | dondelelcaro | opqdonut: it already has it? |
| 07:57.50 | opqdonut | hmm, well i get some funky results with a https:// url |
| 07:57.59 | dondelelcaro | opqdonut: like what? |
| 07:58.00 | Azar | http://www.bash.org/?464385 << gentoo |
| 07:58.26 | mhall | dpkg, msgsmite $1 is <action> pelts $1 with others' spambot queries for harassing users without permission. |
| 07:58.26 | dpkg | okay, mhall |
| 07:58.35 | opqdonut | dondelelcaro: works with another https url, seems i have a name resolution problem instead |
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| 08:00.06 | deadcat | Azar: nice bash.org, i bet that line will break like a crack whore |
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| 08:01.09 | mhall | dondelelcaro: unusual to have to ban someone with a cloak i would assume (except tor), am i right? |
| 08:01.24 | peej | just trying to take a poll here, not asking for help - anyone know how to use ftp with macdef? |
| 08:01.32 | mhall | !tell peej about poll |
| 08:01.46 | mhall | peej: beware of badgers |
| 08:01.58 | mhall | peej: as well as the inevitable mushrooms and snakes |
| 08:01.59 | peej | oh. Is there such a thing as a good poll? |
| 08:02.17 | mhall | peej: not so far as i can tell; they tend to cause wars in the channel |
| 08:02.26 | Azar | :) |
| 08:02.39 | mhall | peej: the one kind that can be OK is if you have about 5 different apps for some purpose |
| 08:02.44 | Azar | http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1565927052.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg << October 1999 I bet that's the old potato |
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| 08:02.47 | mhall | peej: and can't find a comparison when you google their names |
| 08:02.52 | Manplus | a question: which version of Linux mostly be used in enterprise |
| 08:03.12 | Azar | Manplus: SuSe |
| 08:03.24 | mhall | hmm, one would probably have to guess ScrewSE or rootcrap, Manplus |
| 08:03.26 | owner | manplus, ubuntu |
| 08:03.42 | mhall | owner: no, couldn't possibly be, it doesn't have commercial support contracting |
| 08:03.50 | owner | it does |
| 08:03.57 | owner | paid support |
| 08:03.59 | Manplus | what about redhat |
| 08:04.03 | mhall | owner: not first party i don't think |
| 08:04.04 | rend | so i have found sarge is really not for me.. i have read about testing and it seems like it would be a better fit for me. but i am wondering where some docs are on unstable? |
| 08:04.11 | mhall | Manplus: 00:05 < mhall> hmm, one would probably have to guess ScrewSE or rootcrap, Manplus |
| 08:04.13 | peej | I'm sorta writing an article about ftp and macdef for debian admin. I never knew about it until, um.... today. And I've used ftp for about 15years now. I was wondering if the article would be relevant and useful, so I wanted to know the state of awareness by debian guys on the channel. |
| 08:04.16 | starfishy | afair Red Hat has about 50%, Debian a bit less than 20, ubuntu about 10 |
| 08:04.25 | owner | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/paidsupport |
| 08:04.30 | starfishy | its beyond me, though, how redhat got to be there |
| 08:04.34 | mhall | peej: well i never heard of macdef |
| 08:04.41 | mhall | starfishy: first mover advantage |
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| 08:04.46 | mhall | starfishy: same reason we still have intel |
| 08:04.49 | owner | http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport |
| 08:04.56 | Azar | rend once you have / testing or / unstable in your apt sources.list it automatically goes and installs from the right archives |
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| 08:05.12 | mhall | owner: Sorry. The page you have requested does not exist. Try one of the following pages with similar names or see the full title index. |
| 08:05.21 | mhall | !smite owner |
| 08:05.25 | Manplus | and in the field of developing which would be mostly used |
| 08:05.28 | owner | lol |
| 08:05.36 | mhall | owner: you might have to change your nick to 'ownee' now |
| 08:05.44 | rend | Azar, right... |
| 08:05.47 | owner | the second link works |
| 08:06.15 | rend | Azar, but i was thinking about a more high level overview of when each is suitable.. already read what dpkg has to say |
| 08:06.43 | Azar | rend: ofcourse the logical thing to do is to aptitude update aptitude upgrade after editing the sources.list |
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| 08:07.13 | Azar | rend: dpkg is way smarter than me here... follow his advice |
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| 08:08.10 | mhall | owner: that's also not enterprise grade support |
| 08:08.17 | mhall | owner: response times, etc, are too high |
| 08:08.19 | buu | Ok quick question. I ran mdadm --create...; to create a raid device on /dev/md0; However, I had a bad thing happen and the box restarted. Now that it's back up, I can't mount /dev/md0 anymore, it erros about a block device. Do I need to start up soemthign to make it work? |
| 08:08.29 | mhall | owner: sun offers better support for less money i think |
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| 08:08.46 | peej | heh. I can honestly report that 100% of people polled on #debian did not know about ftp's macdef ;-) |
| 08:08.58 | rend | Azar, i am thinking ill change to test and then maybe dev.. then if still isnt for me. im formatting going with a diff distro |
| 08:09.17 | mhall | peej: what does it do |
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| 08:09.34 | mhall | peej: it sounds extremely scary |
| 08:10.03 | mhall | peej: and possibly obsolete, now that you can use ssh agent to run a script on the remote box and tbz2 everything then send it back to you |
| 08:10.05 | peej | mhall : defines a macro. So you run a bunch of commands by typing in one word instead. Not scary at all really. |
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| 08:10.32 | buu | Anyone have an idea? I'm trying --manage.. |
| 08:10.35 | mhall | peej: i don't see much docs on it and i'd like to read more |
| 08:10.39 | peej | mhall : absolutely. ftp is obsolete, insecure and stupid. But ubiquitous. |
| 08:10.48 | mhall | peej: where can i go since your article is not done ;-) |
| 08:11.11 | peej | mhall: read the man page for now, or read all about it on debian-administration.org in a while. |
| 08:11.48 | peej | mhall: unfortunately I need to get clearance from my boss on a few things on the article still or I'd dcc it. |
| 08:12.04 | Azar | rend, you should read and learn how to maneuver apt otherwise you will keep bumping on issues |
| 08:12.27 | rend | should i stop x11 and all some of my running apps before running apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 08:12.51 | owner | yes |
| 08:12.52 | owner | init 3 |
| 08:12.54 | Manplus | yes |
| 08:12.54 | peej | mhall: I'd say rsync, scp and http should all have led to ftp being taken into the back yard and shot a long time ago. |
| 08:12.54 | rend | Azar, i have been using apt for everything unless there was no pkg to be found |
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| 08:13.14 | Azar | rend yes, you will usually exit X and operate from root to dist-upgrade |
| 08:13.18 | rend | its not like i have been abusing my system.... |
| 08:13.31 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents << rend you can learn new tricks with apt there |
| 08:13.35 | peej | mhall: oh, and not to forget bittorrent |
| 08:13.41 | mhall | peej: by clearance you mean |
| 08:14.01 | Azar | rend I never assumed that, but there are some rules with Debian to follow and apt have some rules to be respected |
| 08:14.01 | mhall | peej: not to mention webdav! |
| 08:14.02 | Shadowcat | init 3= |
| 08:14.06 | Shadowcat | owner: wtf? |
| 08:14.09 | Shadowcat | thsi isn't red crap |
| 08:14.14 | Shadowcat | this* |
| 08:14.17 | peej | webdav is the donkey's nipples. |
| 08:14.32 | mhall | peej: i can't tell if you mean it's good or bad by that |
| 08:14.32 | owner | shadow debian uses init |
| 08:14.47 | Shadowcat | owner: yes but init 3 is not text only |
| 08:15.07 | owner | init 3 should kill kdm/gdm |
| 08:15.12 | Shadowcat | no |
| 08:15.16 | mhall | owner: i agree it shouldn't but it doesn't |
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| 08:15.25 | mhall | owner: debian does not follow this convention |
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| 08:15.37 | Shadowcat | owner: that's a red hat convention |
| 08:15.52 | Shadowcat | init 2-5 are identical in debian, aka full multiuser |
| 08:15.55 | Shadowcat | WITH X |
| 08:16.00 | Shadowcat | you want text only, go init 1 |
| 08:16.42 | Azar | rend do you know how to use apt to keep a mixed system? |
| 08:17.00 | rend | no |
| 08:17.39 | Azar | yep there teaches you how to mix and match stuff |
| 08:17.55 | rend | auto-apt looks very neat |
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| 08:18.58 | aethera | I got xcompmgr working :) |
| 08:19.02 | aethera | hmmm nice eyecandy |
| 08:19.27 | aethera | where can I submit tutorials too |
| 08:20.01 | sep | aethera, you could put it on the wiki forinsance |
| 08:20.17 | aethera | kewl |
| 08:20.23 | mhall | shit i need to get my shit written and go to bed |
| 08:20.24 | mhall | ttyl |
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| 08:21.24 | alex_joni | hello, anyone around? |
| 08:21.41 | rend | no |
| 08:21.48 | alex_joni | I'm missin ide-detect on a '2.6.8-2-686-smp' |
| 08:21.52 | rend | only 769 peaople |
| 08:21.52 | aethera | sep: thanks mate |
| 08:22.02 | alex_joni | any idea what the config to enable that is? |
| 08:22.20 | alex_joni | btw, I'm not new to recompiling kernels |
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| 08:26.50 | azureus-user | hi, all, i'm new to debian, and i'm trying to install sound driver, which requires kernel source, so i apt-get kernel-source-2.6.8, but it report no linux/include/version.h to build, after make mrproper, it produced a version.h at linux/include/linux/version.h, so i moved it to linux/include/, but the driver does not build because incorrect version, it requires v2.6.8-2-386, but this kernel source is v2.6.8, so how can i apply the patches? |
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| 08:27.19 | jm_ | you need configured kernel to have config.h - the sound driver should compile with jut kernel-headers installed |
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| 08:27.45 | gamblastic | good morning.. sorry bout last night |
| 08:27.57 | azureus-user | jm_, so i have to apt-get kernel-header first? what about the patches? |
| 08:27.59 | gamblastic | chance we could start over again? |
| 08:28.19 | jm_ | azureus-user: what patches? |
| 08:28.38 | azureus-user | oic, i found kernel-header-2.6.8-2... |
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| 08:28.45 | azureus-user | i'll try thank you |
| 08:28.51 | ootput | gamblastic: yeah, you were pretty moody |
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| 08:29.14 | gamblastic | yes well it was 23.30 pm and I was already trying all afternoon getting that unstable version to work |
| 08:29.26 | gamblastic | so forgive me |
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| 08:33.37 | Supaplex | !fart |
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| 08:33.49 | gamblastic | lol |
| 08:34.12 | Supaplex | !pal gamblastic |
| 08:34.13 | Supaplex | =) |
| 08:34.20 | gamblastic | :D |
| 08:34.34 | Supaplex | !pal the mirror |
| 08:34.40 | Supaplex | sup |
| 08:34.45 | gamblastic | not much |
| 08:36.07 | Supaplex | I'm oph to bed. like 90m later then I expected :-/ *meh* |
| 08:36.08 | Supaplex | nice |
| 08:36.11 | Supaplex | er, nite. |
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| 08:36.23 | gamblastic | later |
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| 08:39.27 | alex_joni | I'm having problems enabling DMA on an IDE here |
| 08:39.38 | alex_joni | chipset is: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE (rev 02) |
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| 08:42.13 | ootput | are there any gui-based backup management utilities? |
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| 08:42.38 | Manplus | there must be |
| 08:42.55 | jetscreamer | alex_joni: hdparm ? |
| 08:43.13 | alex_joni | yup, hdparm is giving an error |
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| 08:43.24 | jetscreamer | beyond me then |
| 08:43.24 | alex_joni | jetscreamer: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 08:43.58 | Usiu | I have a problem I cant install bluez-utils cause apt its going to remove many packages, is this a bug? or what am I suppose to use for bluetooth connecticity ?? Plz help.. :( |
| 08:43.59 | jetscreamer | kernel module maybe... i know there is a force dma one for ide's |
| 08:44.02 | Usiu | Any help ? |
| 08:44.03 | alex_joni | I booted a 2.4 kernel, and it works there, but that's not a SMP kernel |
| 08:44.06 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 08:45.13 | jetscreamer | if that's the case, i'd compile one and see. |
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| 08:45.40 | possie | hi |
| 08:46.03 | possie | is there a way to find out which two machines on a network are using the same ip? portscan them a lot? :-) |
| 08:46.35 | d4d0|work | is it enough, to have SCSI support compiled as module in the kernel, when having a SCSI controller? |
| 08:46.42 | d4d0|work | or do i need it statically? |
| 08:46.55 | jetscreamer | you might need to actually load the module |
| 08:47.02 | jetscreamer | but it doesn't have to be compiled in |
| 08:47.30 | jetscreamer | there are also scsi driver modules that would also need to be loaded |
| 08:47.35 | dondelelcaro | possie: arp should clue you in |
| 08:48.01 | jetscreamer | s/also/maybe/ |
| 08:48.10 | jetscreamer | or also maybe |
| 08:48.33 | d4d0|work | will building with the --initrd option manage to load the module automatically? |
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| 08:49.08 | jm_ | not always, and you can specify which modules will be loaded by initrd - man mkinitrd mkinitrd.conf |
| 08:49.18 | possie | dondelelcaro, yeah i have arpwatch running so i see who (only via arp) are using the duplicates, but is there away to find more info about a host when i only know it's mac address? |
| 08:49.22 | d4d0|work | or can i better compile all scsi and raid stuff statically? |
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| 08:50.01 | markybob | possie maybe you broadcast the ping |
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| 08:50.31 | narinux | which serving better ftp to lower |
| 08:50.45 | narinux | which serving better ftp to download |
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| 08:57.41 | Usiu | I have a problem I cant install bluez-utils cause apt its going to remove many packages, is this a bug? or what am I suppose to use for bluetooth connecticity ?? Plz help.. :( |
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| 09:00.28 | d4d0|work | is there a make-kpkg one-liner for kernel building? |
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| 09:01.03 | tarzeau | d4d0|work: sure |
| 09:01.18 | d4d0|work | tarzeau: can you trigger the bot for me? |
| 09:01.20 | d4d0|work | :) |
| 09:01.29 | tarzeau | !kp |
| 09:01.29 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 09:04.37 | d4d0|work | tarzeau: thanks, but thats not the one i expected. im talking about fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=bla ... |
| 09:04.50 | Phated | !kp mantra |
| 09:04.50 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 09:04.58 | d4d0|work | aah thannks Phated |
| 09:06.07 | deadcat | Phated: got some new shits (= |
| 09:06.26 | Phated | deadcat: Woo, like what? |
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| 09:06.37 | deadcat | Phated: http://gblrk.dvc.edu/~fa05a18/ 3 .avi files... |
| 09:06.44 | Phated | PORN? :D |
| 09:06.48 | Phated | *chortle* |
| 09:06.52 | deadcat | better than porn (= |
| 09:06.56 | Phated | :O |
| 09:07.03 | Phated | Doooooode, ibook! |
| 09:07.11 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 09:08.47 | d4d0|work | there is missing something in the mantra guys |
| 09:08.56 | d4d0|work | the = at --revision |
| 09:08.57 | Phated | Kickass, deadcat. |
| 09:09.21 | Phated | !kp mantra s/--revision /--revision=/ |
| 09:09.23 | deadcat | Phated: ya. i bet it looks even better if you have more than 3 workspaces. but since i only use 3.. |
| 09:09.29 | Phated | !kp mantra =~ s/--revision /--revision=/ |
| 09:09.29 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
| 09:09.33 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 09:09.36 | d4d0|work | :) |
| 09:09.41 | Phated | !kp mantra |
| 09:09.42 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 09:10.04 | jm_ | it appears twice ;) |
| 09:10.16 | Phated | AA! |
| 09:10.31 | Phated | !kp mantra =~ s/--revision /--revision=/ |
| 09:10.31 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
| 09:10.37 | Phated | jm_: Hrmph :P |
| 09:10.41 | Phated | !kp mantra |
| 09:10.41 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 09:10.49 | Phated | There, now stop bitching. :) |
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| 09:11.54 | d4d0|work | still something wrong in the mantra |
| 09:12.05 | d4d0|work | !kp mantra = wrong |
| 09:12.23 | jm_ | yeah it won't work too well if used arround midnight |
| 09:12.30 | deadcat | how do the maintainers build it linux-image? mine still kernel-image-blah |
| 09:12.31 | Phated | ... fuck's sake, FIX IT, BUGREPORT IT, OR STOP BITCHING. |
| 09:12.45 | Phated | deadcat: They just rename it ;) |
| 09:12.49 | deadcat | oh hah |
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| 09:14.50 | jm_ | then again, is --revision really needed for clean? |
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| 09:15.15 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 09:15.39 | plbgnr | hello, can anybody help with icecast? I always get "No mountfile found" in logs when I try to open www admin interface; there are no answers in mailing lists found with google; manual pages do not explain how to set this file :( |
| 09:15.49 | Phated | Then again, I just make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=0.1 kernel_image :) |
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| 09:16.04 | icaro | a |
| 09:16.23 | dominicano | hi |
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| 09:18.07 | fireba11 | i could use some help with configuring vsftpd ... i want to users (that usually see only their home dirs) to be able to access one special shared folder ... how can i do that ? chroot prevents me from just symlinking it in there it seems, adn without chroot they can access way to much files |
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| 09:18.22 | deadcat | i've seen some kde4 screenshots.. and i got to say. they look really good (=. how can it go from shit to nice? |
| 09:18.32 | jm_ | Firestarter: you could bind mount it |
| 09:18.36 | jm_ | fireba11 ^^^ |
| 09:18.40 | jetscreamer | it's all about the theme |
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| 09:18.54 | deadcat | jetscreamer: theres no nice theme in kde3 |
| 09:19.00 | Phated | Maybe that |
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| 09:19.05 | _weissi | deadcat: do you have a url? |
| 09:19.08 | jetscreamer | deadcat: make one |
| 09:19.12 | deadcat | _weissi: let me find it |
| 09:19.13 | Phated | 's in the Changelog between 3 and 4 : "Added new themes" |
| 09:19.25 | _weissi | deadcat: cool, thanks |
| 09:19.45 | deadcat | jetscreamer: not possible. the freaking bar at the bottom is always the same in kde3.. and that is so freakin ugly. |
| 09:19.54 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 09:20.12 | deadcat | _weissi: http://www.planetdiaz.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127 |
| 09:20.24 | _weissi | deadcat: thanks a lot! |
| 09:20.34 | deadcat | jetscreamer: personally, i cant think of a word to describe how much i hate and how ugly kde3 is (= |
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| 09:21.14 | deadcat | jetscreamer: if i am the hulk. thats what i would do if i mention kde3 |
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| 09:21.45 | deadcat | _weissi: some are mockup. i guess that means fake right? so .. |
| 09:22.15 | deadcat | those are like e17 themes hhee |
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| 09:22.50 | fireba11 | jm_ bind mount ? |
| 09:22.56 | jm_ | fireba11: yes |
| 09:23.02 | deadcat | i am still waiting for gtk2-engines-clearlooks 2.7 to hit sid |
| 09:23.10 | fireba11 | jm_ please explain what this is :-) |
| 09:23.17 | jm_ | fireba11: mount -o bind ... |
| 09:23.28 | jm_ | or mount --bind |
| 09:23.47 | fireba11 | jm_ okay, thanks, will try that |
| 09:24.31 | _weissi | deadcat: wow, they really look good! But I'll still use ion3 ;-) |
| 09:24.51 | deadcat | _weissi: ya.. they do look good. too bad i hate kde so much.. |
| 09:25.48 | _weissi | deadcat: me too ;-) it's so damn slow |
| 09:26.04 | deadcat | _weissi: oh.. htat too. |
| 09:26.15 | deadcat | _weissi: i want this: the gtk2 theme http://david.chalkskeletons.com/openbox.html |
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| 09:28.43 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: KDE isn't so bad.. the Lipstik style is nice |
| 09:28.55 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: screenshot? link? |
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| 09:29.12 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: lipstik is in debian ;) |
| 09:29.16 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: but let me post one |
| 09:29.25 | deadcat | k. because i dont have it installed |
| 09:30.17 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: right now i'm using lipstik style with power window decorations |
| 09:30.22 | tarzeau | !news |
| 09:30.26 | tarzeau | !nntp |
| 09:30.26 | dpkg | nntp is probably the protocol for news servers |
| 09:30.30 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it's going to be a shot of konsole unless there's something specific you'd like to see |
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| 09:30.53 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: the control panel thing. and the menu list |
| 09:30.55 | d4d0|work | drivers/scsi/qla1280.o(.data+0xe67e): multiple definition of `risc_code_addr01' |
| 09:30.55 | d4d0|work | drivers/scsi/qlogicfc.o(.data+0x0): first defined here |
| 09:30.55 | d4d0|work | make[3]: *** [drivers/scsi/built-in.o] Error 1 |
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| 09:31.07 | d4d0|work | building kernel failed. any ideas why? |
| 09:31.09 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: with the entire desktop please |
| 09:31.10 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: menu list? you mean the K menu? |
| 09:31.14 | deadcat | ya |
| 09:31.15 | deadcat | that thing |
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| 09:32.55 | sanxiyn | Hello |
| 09:32.57 | aethera | d4d0|work: whats the error message? |
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| 09:33.05 | sanxiyn | What is the shortest license acceptible for Debian? |
| 09:33.22 | deadcat | hmm. same config file for fbpanel. and desktop is normal font and laptop is bold font on the clock.. strange. |
| 09:33.24 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: WTFPL |
| 09:33.40 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: Eh, second? |
| 09:33.55 | deadcat | sanxiyn: what the fuck public license |
| 09:34.04 | deadcat | even i know that one (= |
| 09:34.08 | sanxiyn | deadcat: I know. What is the next shortest one? =3 |
| 09:34.11 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/2927/shot2ck.png |
| 09:34.37 | d4d0|work | aethera: i just posted it |
| 09:34.41 | tarzeau | !wtfpl |
| 09:34.42 | dpkg | methinks wtfpl is http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/, DFSG-compliant, GPL-compatible, free, non-copyleft, simple software license. |
| 09:34.54 | aethera | d4d0|work: link? |
| 09:35.09 | sanxiyn | Okay, I'd get monsterz source package to see how can I apply that to my work :-) |
| 09:35.13 | d4d0|work | aethera: |
| 09:35.17 | d4d0|work | building kernel failed. any ideas why? |
| 09:35.21 | d4d0|work | oops |
| 09:35.25 | d4d0|work | make[3]: *** [drivers/scsi/built-in.o] Error 1 |
| 09:35.31 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: not bad. but the k menu and the task bar at the bottom still ugly though |
| 09:35.33 | d4d0|work | drivers/scsi/qla1280.o(.data+0xe67e): multiple definition of `risc_code_addr01' |
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| 09:35.38 | d4d0|work | drivers/scsi/qlogicfc.o(.data+0x0): first defined here |
| 09:35.48 | aethera | hmm |
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| 09:35.52 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: meh, i don't mind them |
| 09:35.55 | aethera | maybe some scsi device? |
| 09:36.22 | d4d0|work | aethera: i guess so, but why does it fail |
| 09:36.25 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: i don't use the menu all that often, honestly i do most of my work from konsole |
| 09:36.28 | deadcat | kde users have the biggest fonts. and E users have the biggest screen resolutions (= |
| 09:36.45 | aethera | d4d0|work: try disable all scsi stuff |
| 09:36.48 | aethera | and recompile |
| 09:36.48 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: my fonts are temporarily large while nvidia's driver continues to suck balls |
| 09:36.55 | aethera | see if it fails |
| 09:37.12 | d4d0|work | aethera: i need scsi ;) |
| 09:37.20 | aethera | SerajewelKS: where did you get that wallpaper? |
| 09:37.29 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: oh.. |
| 09:37.30 | aethera | d4d0|work: what commands are you using to build the kernel? |
| 09:37.33 | SerajewelKS | aethera: let me dig up the link |
| 09:37.40 | deadcat | aethera: anywhere. just search kill bill linux tux |
| 09:37.43 | d4d0|work | aethera: |
| 09:37.46 | d4d0|work | !kp mantra |
| 09:37.46 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 09:37.52 | d4d0|work | similar to these |
| 09:37.55 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: nvidia insists on making my right monitor the primary one, which is a 15" VGA |
| 09:38.01 | aethera | hmmm |
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| 09:38.06 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: so on my 19" LCD the fonts are fucking huge |
| 09:38.13 | aethera | I am rather new to debian |
| 09:38.22 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: you can tell which to be primary |
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| 09:38.45 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: RightOf or LeftOf |
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| 09:39.01 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: that controls position |
| 09:39.17 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: the left monitor is not necessarily the primary one |
| 09:39.35 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: and the primary will the the other monitor. |
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| 09:39.52 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: wrong |
| 09:39.57 | deadcat | doh |
| 09:40.21 | d4d0|work | i might build the kernel my own way |
| 09:40.27 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it's more or less hard-coded into the driver which monitor gets to be head 0 |
| 09:40.34 | deadcat | d4d0|work: shutup and just do it already |
| 09:40.45 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: oh |
| 09:40.51 | jm_ | can't you change that using ConnectedMonitor setting? |
| 09:40.58 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: there's a long thread on the nvidia linux forum about how much this sucks and about how nvidia is going to fix it in a future release. it's been > 1 year. |
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| 09:41.15 | SerajewelKS | jm_: you can tell it which monitors are connected, not which one is head 0 |
| 09:41.19 | ISV-Kran | how is tehe detection of debian with LCD monitors? (I have a crt only ) |
| 09:41.32 | deadcat | ISV-Kran: lcd works fine. |
| 09:41.39 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: the order in which you specify them matters, doesn't it? |
| 09:41.41 | ISV-Kran | thanx deadcat |
| 09:41.46 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it does not |
| 09:41.50 | ISV-Kran | I will rememeber it |
| 09:41.50 | d4d0|work | deadcat: keep your head cool. its not my fault that debian's packages are fucked up |
| 09:42.03 | deadcat | d4d0|work: then dont use it. |
| 09:42.10 | d4d0|work | deadcat: its my job |
| 09:42.16 | deadcat | then fix it |
| 09:42.21 | d4d0|work | im not choosing by my own choice |
| 09:42.34 | SerajewelKS | and as my 15" VGA is head 0, that's what the X server uses to compute font sizes a-la DPI |
| 09:42.35 | deadcat | quit then |
| 09:42.43 | SerajewelKS | so on the 19" monitor the fonts are huge |
| 09:42.52 | Shadowcat | nothing wrong with kernel-package |
| 09:42.52 | Shadowcat | and I agree with deadcat |
| 09:42.52 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work stop whining |
| 09:43.13 | deadcat | Shadowcat: hes been whining here for the pass 2 days.. |
| 09:43.14 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work: yes you are |
| 09:43.29 | d4d0|work | ok i am |
| 09:43.36 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I think it does |
| 09:43.37 | deadcat | Shadowcat: i am pretty sure most people here have ignored him |
| 09:43.38 | d4d0|work | now what? |
| 09:43.38 | Shadowcat | !ops tell d4d0|work to stop whining as he's done for the past two days |
| 09:43.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: tell d4d0|work to stop whining as he's done for the past two days |
| 09:43.56 | Shadowcat | deadcat: hopefully, someone will wake up now |
| 09:43.57 | SerajewelKS | jm_: my four hours of experimenting, and the nvidia linux forums say it doesn't |
| 09:44.12 | d4d0|work | like i told you sissies, its not my fault that your system is broken |
| 09:44.13 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: that's pretty sucky |
| 09:44.28 | deadcat | d4d0|work: what you gonna blame your boss now? |
| 09:44.30 | SerajewelKS | jm_: yup. 1 year later still waiting for Option "PrimaryMonitor" |
| 09:45.17 | d4d0|work | heh my boss? no... |
| 09:45.28 | SerajewelKS | jm_: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=54638 |
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| 09:45.28 | d4d0|work | the customers are stupid enough.. |
| 09:45.33 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: well you could lie it about the DPI then |
| 09:45.48 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work: this sounds like a classic case of pebkac |
| 09:45.50 | Shadowcat | !pebkac |
| 09:45.50 | dpkg | methinks pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 09:45.59 | Shadowcat | aka stupid admin, aka you |
| 09:46.06 | deadcat | hahah |
| 09:46.12 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: yup confirms it |
| 09:46.32 | Shadowcat | oh and by the way, I've had a REALLY long day, so I have plenty to take out on someone |
| 09:46.38 | d4d0|work | lol |
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| 09:46.46 | Shadowcat | !lol |
| 09:46.46 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 09:46.52 | deadcat | Shadowcat: you know at least 50 of these matches him: http://people.redhat.com/andrew/humor/100sys.html |
| 09:46.57 | Shadowcat | !aol |
| 09:46.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 09:46.58 | SerajewelKS | jm_: lying about the DPI doesn't really fix the fact that i have to reconfigure all of my DEs to use head1 for the panel and stuff |
| 09:47.05 | SerajewelKS | jm_: the kdm login screen shows up on the right monitor, etc |
| 09:47.07 | J_element | can any one give me the command to share internet connection from one nic to the other ? |
| 09:47.15 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it's a completely unneccesary pain in the ass |
| 09:47.24 | d4d0|work | so what you are telling me for example, is that a fresh system installed spitting out lsmod errors when booting the system...is a PEBCAK ? you must be young my son... |
| 09:47.29 | SerajewelKS | jm_: that nvidia could fix in two seconds of coding if they gave a shit about it |
| 09:47.54 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work: that's you not bothering to md5 the cd |
| 09:47.57 | Shadowcat | not the system's fault |
| 09:47.57 | deadcat | d4d0|work: he aint complaining about his system. you are |
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| 09:48.11 | Shadowcat | which again, comes back to pebkac |
| 09:48.19 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: indeed |
| 09:48.29 | Shadowcat | or sha1sum it for that matter |
| 09:48.31 | d4d0|work | to md5 the cd? |
| 09:48.32 | d4d0|work | lol |
| 09:48.35 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: Something along the lines of a "PrimaryMonitor" option is under consideration as an enhancement for a future driver release. Dec 2004 - haha |
| 09:48.42 | Shadowcat | !beat d4d0|work |
| 09:48.55 | Shadowcat | !windowssmite d4d0|work |
| 09:49.07 | Shadowcat | pfft... I should make that |
| 09:49.09 | d4d0|work | ill just stfu.. |
| 09:49.23 | streuner | Shadowcat: go on and you don't reach the TOP of kingsley ;-) |
| 09:49.36 | d4d0|work | otherwise ill get banned again for telling the facts about this crap |
| 09:49.43 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work: how about, STFU, RTFM, and go get a WinME CD |
| 09:49.47 | Shadowcat | you deserve to run that system |
| 09:49.52 | SerajewelKS | jm_: exactly. they don't give a shit. |
| 09:50.01 | d4d0|work | Shadowcat: you deserve to suck my dick, to be honest |
| 09:50.13 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: uhm got the date wrong, 13. sep 2005, but still ... |
| 09:50.14 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work: well... you see, that'd be a problem as you don't have one |
| 09:50.31 | streuner | d4d0|work: do us a favorite and leave, come back later. |
| 09:50.36 | SerajewelKS | jm_: no, Dec 2004 is correct |
| 09:50.37 | deadcat | d4d0|work: why? cant find a girl to suck yours? |
| 09:50.38 | d4d0|work | Shadowcat: how do you know so exactly, have you taken a loo already? |
| 09:50.52 | d4d0|work | loo/look* |
| 09:51.02 | Shadowcat | d4d0|work: there's a bottle with an organ preserved in alcohol on the shelf here, what's inside used to be yours |
| 09:51.04 | d4d0|work | deadcat: im married and having 3 children you morron |
| 09:51.11 | Shadowcat | I believe the last girl you tried to shag hacked it off in your sleep |
| 09:51.18 | deadcat | d4d0|work: yet you still want a man to suck your cock!!! |
| 09:51.33 | d4d0|work | haha |
| 09:51.38 | fluxwhore | I'm currently debating migrating from an NT4 domain to an Active Directory domain or to a Samba domain. I would like ideas regarding this migration and the possibilities, or just people's opinion's and/or experiences. |
| 09:51.42 | d4d0|work | debilian level talking huh |
| 09:51.43 | Shadowcat | deadcat: his non-existant cock |
| 09:51.46 | d4d0|work | debian* i meant |
| 09:52.01 | deadcat | Shadowcat: or hes not getting it from the wife.. one or the other (= |
| 09:52.02 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: that was join date of the user, this thread started in August 2005 |
| 09:52.07 | Shadowcat | fluxwhore: are you bloddy insane? |
| 09:52.12 | Shadowcat | bloody* |
| 09:52.17 | SerajewelKS | jm_: oh, right |
| 09:52.23 | Shadowcat | fluxwhore: such a migration is a pain in the ass |
| 09:52.49 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: we'll see if next version has it |
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| 09:53.35 | MishMash | Is it possible to access an SMB share over the internet? |
| 09:53.52 | deadcat | MishMash: yes |
| 09:53.59 | _weissi | MishMash: it is possible, but you don't want it! |
| 09:54.04 | Shadowcat | theoretically it's possible, if you can find an ISP that doesn't filter 135, 139, 445 |
| 09:54.16 | Shadowcat | but practically, good luck |
| 09:54.17 | jm_ | MishMash: /smbclient deadcat/p0rn z3kr3t |
| 09:54.37 | Shadowcat | jm_: pfft everybody has that share mounted |
| 09:54.40 | MishMash | :( |
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| 09:54.42 | Shadowcat | it's in the public domain |
| 09:54.57 | dli | is there any tool for me to port a package to debian using an existing gentoo ebuild? |
| 09:55.19 | deadcat | dli: no need. just copy the binary over (= |
| 09:55.33 | Shadowcat | not that simple |
| 09:55.36 | Shadowcat | but it might work |
| 09:55.36 | _weissi | fluxwhore: migrating to a samba domain is possible (install samba as BDC), and samba4 will support ADS |
| 09:55.43 | Shadowcat | if you used the proper USE flags |
| 09:55.48 | streuner | using binaries from other systems isn't a good idea |
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| 09:55.53 | jm_ | dh-make for simple things perhaps |
| 09:56.19 | dli | jm_ the package doesn't even use make to build :( |
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| 09:56.42 | streuner | dli: what kind of app is that? |
| 09:56.42 | madradrone | MishMash: actually you could access an SMB share over the Internet via a VPN |
| 09:56.52 | dli | streuner, gamess |
| 09:56.55 | jm_ | dli: so? |
| 09:57.06 | Shadowcat | madradrone: that's cheating |
| 09:57.11 | MishMash | Ok, i guess my ISP blocked those ports then, because i can't get it to work... Is there another way to access my data over the internet? Not VPN! |
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| 09:57.23 | madradrone | Shadowcat: ? its the only way |
| 09:57.30 | Shadowcat | MishMash: go setup an ftp server like everyone else |
| 09:57.31 | deadcat | Shadowcat: d4d0|work is either whining to his boss right now or crying like a little bitch.. hahah either way. i am off to sleep (= later. |
| 09:57.32 | dli | jm_, gentoo builds it correctly, but I need to install it on a debian cluster |
| 09:57.44 | Shadowcat | madradrone: vpn is a network on top of a network |
| 09:57.50 | MishMash | I have an FTP server running, but i don't want that |
| 09:57.52 | Shadowcat | madradrone: hence it's cheating |
| 09:58.00 | Shadowcat | MishMash: GET OVER IT |
| 09:58.07 | Manplus | who use dibian as vpn server |
| 09:58.08 | madradrone | Shadowcat: i know. i just meant i wouldn't really want to do it any other way than that |
| 09:58.13 | tarzeau | !dibian |
| 09:58.18 | jm_ | dli: do you know what dh-make does? |
| 09:58.20 | tarzeau | Manplus: nobody |
| 09:58.36 | Manplus | can debian be used as vpn |
| 09:58.41 | Shadowcat | madradrone: if an admin asked me a question like that I'd fire them on the spot |
| 09:58.42 | tarzeau | Manplus: yes |
| 09:58.48 | Shadowcat | madradrone: because it's so conceptually wrong |
| 09:58.58 | Shadowcat | smb over tcp/ip |
| 09:59.00 | dli | jm_ no |
| 09:59.03 | Shadowcat | are you bloody insane?!?! |
| 09:59.03 | Manplus | would that work well |
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| 09:59.34 | madradrone | Shadowcat: there must be some misconception here about the question. basically, the purpose of a vpn is precisely to do things like allow a remote client to browse local network and access file shares, etc. |
| 09:59.56 | Manplus | yes madradrone |
| 09:59.57 | Shadowcat | madradrone: no the solution you offered was correct |
| 10:00.09 | Shadowcat | the question MishMash asked however was conceptually wrong |
| 10:00.14 | MishMash | why? |
| 10:00.48 | Shadowcat | because this isn't the 1980s |
| 10:00.50 | madradrone | <MishMash> Is it possible to access an SMB share over the internet? |
| 10:00.55 | Shadowcat | you don't mount shares over subnets |
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| 10:01.14 | Shadowcat | not unless you actually put a big "Hack Me" sign on your forehead |
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| 10:01.31 | ob1kenewb | hey, i'm looking for a good equivalent of gkrellm but for console ? |
| 10:01.32 | madradrone | i don't know precisely what he was thinking here either, but its possible your answer was too technical |
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| 10:01.33 | MishMash | I first wanted to use an VPN connection, but my school doesn't allow that :( |
| 10:01.37 | ob1kenewb | any hints ? |
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| 10:01.47 | Phated | deadcat: Those vids are awesome. |
| 10:01.55 | BlueWings | err... Could someone tell me how I can find out which device my USB flash drive is mapped to? |
| 10:02.12 | Shadowcat | dmesg |
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| 10:02.16 | madradrone | MishMash: do you have control over boxes on both sides? |
| 10:02.21 | MishMash | yes |
| 10:02.24 | MishMash | one is my laptop |
| 10:02.27 | Shadowcat | or just mount /dev/sd* devices |
| 10:02.27 | MishMash | the other is my home server |
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| 10:02.31 | streuner | BlueWings: usually /dev/sd* |
| 10:02.33 | Shadowcat | until you hit the right one |
| 10:02.38 | madradrone | MishMash: then just run openvpn |
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| 10:03.16 | madradrone | they will be on the same secure subnet together. |
| 10:03.24 | streuner | BlueWings: lsusb? |
| 10:03.32 | MishMash | One problem, my laptop is running windows :( Can't use linux atm because of some programs i need... |
| 10:03.38 | BlueWings | streuner, I checked sda0 and sda1 but it says "you must specify filesystem type" and as for sd* there are 128 of them |
| 10:03.43 | BlueWings | streuner, okay, let me try that out |
| 10:03.44 | madradrone | openvpn is multiplatform |
| 10:03.48 | MishMash | :) |
| 10:03.52 | jm_ | ob1kenewb: why? |
| 10:03.57 | MishMash | i'll go and try it out! |
| 10:04.00 | MishMash | thanx alot |
| 10:04.02 | streuner | BlueWings: mount -t vfat /dev/sd* /foo |
| 10:04.05 | madradrone | MishMash: but if its just file sharing, then why not just use scp or something? |
| 10:04.13 | MishMash | scp? don't know that |
| 10:04.26 | madradrone | oh, maybe you were conceptually wrong then |
| 10:04.28 | MishMash | I want to stream my mp3's, not download and then listen |
| 10:04.32 | ob1kenewb | jm_: because i'm a console addicted man, i use remove console environnement + screen extensively |
| 10:04.34 | BlueWings | streuner, "Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0781:5150 SanDisk Corp. SDCZ2 Cruzer Mini Flash Drive (thin)" is the output from lsusb (the relevant line that is) |
| 10:04.46 | streuner | fine |
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| 10:04.56 | madradrone | MishMash: well openvpn will give you a private subnet shared between them |
| 10:04.57 | ob1kenewb | jm_: i have seen top and ntop, but they are too heavy |
| 10:05.08 | MishMash | then i think that's the one i need |
| 10:05.14 | jm_ | ob1kenewb: how exactly is top heavy? |
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| 10:05.44 | aethera | anyone here every tried using BeOS |
| 10:05.56 | streuner | BlueWings: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /foo |
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| 10:05.57 | Phated | I have. For a brief moment. But it's offtopic here. |
| 10:06.00 | ob1kenewb | top alone is not heavy, i need to monitor network too, that's why top+ntop |
| 10:06.20 | streuner | BlueWings: can you see it via 'cdrecord -scanbus' ? |
| 10:06.45 | BlueWings | streuner, sda1 it says is not a valid block device, dmesg has these lines at the end: hub.c: new USB device 00:10.4-5, assigned address 2 |
| 10:06.45 | BlueWings | usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x781/0x5150) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 10:06.45 | jm_ | there are other tools to monitor the network usage |
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| 10:06.56 | ob1kenewb | which are ? |
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| 10:08.02 | streuner | BlueWings: can you see it via 'cdrecord -scanbus' ? |
| 10:08.24 | fireba11 | jm_ mounting it worked, thanks :-) |
| 10:08.32 | ob1kenewb | found bwm |
| 10:08.36 | Phated | iftop is nice :) |
| 10:08.47 | jm_ | ifstat, jnettop, iptraf, ... |
| 10:08.52 | tralala | I like nload |
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| 10:09.22 | jm_ | although being addicted to console you could simply write gkrellm for terminals |
| 10:09.27 | tralala | it can blink your leds on network activity :) |
| 10:10.26 | Arnald | Where is SeaMonkey? !!! |
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| 10:10.31 | Arnald | ;) |
| 10:10.36 | tralala | there is also xosview which can give you the usage of cpu, disk, memory, network and some others |
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| 10:10.42 | BlueWings | streuner, the output of cdrecord -scanbus is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BX1z6Q56.html |
| 10:11.23 | streuner | BlueWings: modprobe ide_scsi |
| 10:11.56 | ob1kenewb | thanks for the tips |
| 10:12.24 | streuner | BlueWings: echo ide_scsi >> /etc/modules |
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| 10:13.27 | BlueWings | streuner, okay, let me check that out |
| 10:13.31 | fireba11 | jm_ btw. is there an option to just save the current mounts to the config file ? or do i need to add the new mounts manually ? |
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| 10:15.46 | BlueWings | streuner, I just found a text file with notes on this problem when I had this a few weeks ago. It works after I did modprobe sd_mod and modprobe usb-storage, then it got mapped to /dev/sda1 |
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| 10:16.09 | fluxwhore | Shadowcat: Thanks for the advice, and no I'm not bloody insane, it was my manager's idea |
| 10:16.13 | fluxwhore | ;-) |
| 10:16.13 | jm_ | fireba11: /etc/mtab is very similar to fstab |
| 10:16.15 | streuner | !listvals storage |
| 10:16.16 | BlueWings | streuner, so it works now... and thanks for trying to help |
| 10:16.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'storage' by value (15 of 32): gfs ;; glx tarball ;; little endian ;; port 2443 ;; qotd158 ;; ram ;; removable storage ;; rfc970 ;; san ;; sandisk ;; sdx ;; ssd ;; usb storage ;; usb-storage ;; usb_storage. |
| 10:16.24 | ootput | do any of you know a backupninja alternative that works for local backups? |
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| 10:16.33 | streuner | !usb storage |
| 10:16.33 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 10:17.12 | streuner | BlueWings: anyway, you could use what dpkg tell you or my version via SCSI emulation - both work |
| 10:17.13 | BlueWings | streuner, ah, okay, thanks again. I'll copy that text and save it locally |
| 10:17.25 | fluxwhore | I know it's kinda frowned upon. Samab dudes like Tridge and Jeremy Allison are always going on about the mistake of going to AD..blah blah blah.. but where are they with an enterprise level alternative?] |
| 10:17.27 | BlueWings | streuner, tell me the scsi emulation way please |
| 10:17.28 | aethera | anyone here get a segmentation fault when starting pornview? |
| 10:17.33 | fireba11 | jm_ that is i only need to copy the line(s) from mtab to fstab ? |
| 10:17.48 | streuner | BlueWings: using ide_scsi |
| 10:17.57 | jm_ | fireba11: more or less yes |
| 10:18.08 | fluxwhore | has anybody here got AD authentication working in linux? |
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| 10:19.01 | fireba11 | jm_ okay, thank you |
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| 10:19.30 | madradrone | fluxwhore: i just read in the news last week that the newest sambe does ad auth |
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| 10:19.52 | aethera | what the import command to take screenshots? |
| 10:20.01 | streuner | !ss |
| 10:20.01 | dpkg | well, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 10:20.35 | BlueWings | streuner, I do modprobe ide-scsi, what next? |
| 10:20.58 | nixie | bah. thunderbird cant even handle an imap folder with 55000 mails? puh |
| 10:21.05 | BlueWings | or if there's a place, where you think I could read up on it, I'll do that |
| 10:21.18 | streuner | BlueWings: ide_scsi, nothing more, if you see your FLASH-drive then via cdrecord -scanbus its ok... |
| 10:21.29 | k31th | If i have a name server running and i have a domain ns1.domain.com and i want to use say domain2 as my ns1.domain2.com i can just add a DNS a record right and it should work?? |
| 10:21.30 | fireba11 | nixie i would be surprised if that is not possible |
| 10:21.36 | k31th | or do i have to register it some where ? |
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| 10:21.54 | k31th | the dns for the domains is handled on the box here |
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| 10:22.01 | nixie | fireba11: lagging like mad here. |
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| 10:22.37 | nixie | fireba11: ah. might be the server.:) |
| 10:22.38 | sep | k31th, you can't just configure up the zone for domain2.com , you also have to register the domain the same way you registered domain1.com |
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| 10:23.17 | fireba11 | nixie: let me guess .. server is using mbox format ? :-) |
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| 10:24.20 | aethera | gtk is sooooooo sexy |
| 10:24.21 | aethera | :) |
| 10:24.40 | Gnea | so's your mom ;) |
| 10:24.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:24.51 | aethera | Gnea: my mom has nothing to do with this |
| 10:24.54 | aethera | ok? |
| 10:25.08 | aethera | :P |
| 10:25.10 | fireba11 | aethera: ah, sorry .. was your sister :.-) |
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| 10:25.11 | Gnea | aethera: it was rhetorical humor :P |
| 10:25.25 | aethera | fireba11: now she is actually hot |
| 10:25.25 | aethera | :P |
| 10:25.42 | fireba11 | aethera: got a pic ? *g* |
| 10:25.50 | aethera | fireba11: eeerrrr heh |
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| 10:27.35 | aethera | my system really looks nice |
| 10:27.36 | sep | k31th, you can confingure as many subdomains as you please tho sub1.domain1.com sub2.domain1.com ns2.domain1.com on your dns without registering those. |
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| 10:31.17 | nixie | oh mannn i hate spammers with a passion |
| 10:31.22 | nixie | 400 mails per sec. |
| 10:31.29 | Eclipser | :o |
| 10:32.01 | Eclipser | I haven't received any mail in weeks |
| 10:32.06 | Gnea | nixie: why aren't you running spamassassin? |
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| 10:32.42 | fireba11 | Eclipser: nah .. your mailer just crashed and you didn't notice :-D |
| 10:32.52 | stig_ | where's the apt config file located? |
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| 10:33.11 | fireba11 | stig_ /etc/apt/ ? |
| 10:33.15 | Eclipser | fireba11, I think someone at school administration would've noticed, as I'm using my schools address :p |
| 10:33.15 | snorks | ook thanks |
| 10:33.16 | liable | Eclipser: gimme your email, and i'll see what i can do.. :) |
| 10:33.52 | crypt_ex | Does anyone know of any software that can be used for hotkeys, ie if I press 'alt+z' then this pastes some text I have configured it with? Just cant find anything? |
| 10:33.55 | nixie | Gnea: i am running Mailscanner. |
| 10:33.55 | Eclipser | actually I think it's because someone configured postfix to dump all direct email |
| 10:34.07 | liable | spamassassin sucks. thunderbird learned in 2 days what SA didnt learn in months... |
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| 10:34.10 | nixie | i used to put DNSBL in sendmail, but this blocks too many legitimate mails for customers. |
| 10:34.22 | nixie | so i changed that yesterday. now my mailserver is hammered with a load of 30. |
| 10:34.22 | fireba11 | Eclipser: i'm down to about 3 false nagatives a day and 0 false positives the last month |
| 10:34.27 | liable | but that of course is only on a personal level.. |
| 10:34.36 | Eclipser | that is mail directed to username@students.school is dropped by postfix |
| 10:34.45 | fireba11 | nixie: sure you don't run a open relay there or something ? ^^ |
| 10:34.50 | Eclipser | instaed we use firstname.lastname@school |
| 10:34.58 | nixie | fireba11: 100000% sure. |
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| 10:35.08 | nixie | its all spam, or bouncing spam. |
| 10:35.11 | snorks | thanks alot |
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| 10:35.22 | k31th | sep: cheers... |
| 10:35.25 | fireba11 | fireba11 and i thought my server got a lot with about 5k a day |
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| 10:36.01 | snorks | What was the bot commands again? |
| 10:36.13 | Eclipser | uh? |
| 10:36.13 | threat | collateral spam is annoying |
| 10:36.14 | snorks | !where framebuffer |
| 10:36.14 | dpkg | it has been said that framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 10:36.21 | nixie | it has come to the point now that i HAVE to use DNSBL to keep the load down on the mailserver. |
| 10:36.45 | fireba11 | nixie: is that a mailserver for a huge company or something ? |
| 10:37.02 | nixie | yep, ISP. |
| 10:37.05 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 10:37.18 | Eclipser | 400 spam per sec isn't bad for ISP mail server, is it? :) |
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| 10:37.33 | tralala | nixie: what could be more real than fighting spammers all day long?! |
| 10:37.46 | fireba11 | Eclipser: depends on the size of the ISP but i would considder it moderate |
| 10:37.47 | nixie | tralala: fighting customers AND spammers. |
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| 10:37.56 | Eclipser | tralala, ircing and coding in java which is complitely unrelated to my real work, for example? |
| 10:38.16 | tralala | nixie: ;) |
| 10:38.23 | Eclipser | uh |
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| 10:38.32 | Eclipser | fighting customers is a pita |
| 10:38.43 | Eclipser | I'd much rather read all the 400 spams per second |
| 10:38.59 | sep | nixie, would be nice if one could use the DNSRBL's on the phone too.... |
| 10:39.18 | tralala | Eclipser: ircing and coding in java (at the same time) sounds pretty much as "unreal" to me :) |
| 10:39.30 | Eclipser | it's more fun at least |
| 10:39.59 | Eclipser | my real job is to record teaching material from television for our study material library |
| 10:40.08 | fireba11 | Eclipser: lol |
| 10:40.11 | chemaja | there's this super-neat mailing list archive www site that i can't remember the URL to or the name of. it's got fairly slick, minimalistic graphics, but the feature i loved was there was a 2-window interface: thread list, and message. thread list window would "center" around the currently highlighed thread. does anyone know which www site this may be? not gmane. |
| 10:40.22 | Eclipser | so yeah, would you irc and code in java in my place? |
| 10:40.32 | aethera | aterm does not work with xcompmgr? |
| 10:40.40 | liable | yes |
| 10:40.52 | liable | or maybe, no |
| 10:41.08 | nixie | the hammered box wont even reboot |
| 10:41.23 | tralala | Eclipser: I would rather code in fortran and ada |
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| 10:41.29 | Eclipser | tralala, something for everyone, but you'd still code :p |
| 10:41.29 | fireba11 | urks |
| 10:41.37 | tralala | then recording I mean |
| 10:41.51 | tralala | I'm not bitching about java, okay? |
| 10:41.52 | fireba11 | nixie: shut down MTA .. taht will take a few minutes though :-) |
| 10:42.16 | Eclipser | tralala, I didn't take it like that :o |
| 10:42.39 | nixie | fireba11: killed MTA already |
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| 10:42.44 | nixie | box choked |
| 10:42.46 | chemaja | success! http://www.mail-archive.com/ |
| 10:42.55 | nixie | load 0 but no rebooting |
| 10:43.08 | liable | why does killall take minutes? |
| 10:43.54 | Flogiston | hi. |
| 10:44.06 | Flogiston | I'm trying to install a kbdmap. |
| 10:44.17 | resiak | Good for you! |
| 10:44.22 | fireba11 | nixie: aww great |
| 10:44.41 | Flogiston | But when i run setxkbmap svorak(the kbdmap) i get error. |
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| 10:45.01 | fireba11 | liable: it could cause a lot of swap to clear up ... ^^ |
| 10:45.02 | Flogiston | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 10:45.20 | tralala | Flogiston: use -layout sv (or whatever) |
| 10:45.28 | fireba11 | nixie: mailserver here is rather bored ... 0.2 mails per sec average |
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| 10:45.57 | tralala | Flogiston: or more like -layout us,sv -option grp:caps_toggle |
| 10:46.11 | Flogiston | i'm lost |
| 10:46.23 | tralala | which will give you the chance to switch back to english when you need it |
| 10:46.48 | Flogiston | i can change back to swedish with setxkbmap se |
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| 10:49.42 | tralala | Flogiston: with the options given you will be able to switch between as many layouts as you want using caps lock |
| 10:50.46 | crypt_ex | Is it a known issue on Debian Sarge with Amsn not docking in gnome? |
| 10:51.20 | liable | crypt_ex: is amsn in the official repos? |
| 10:51.41 | liable | crypt_ex: if so, check bug tracking |
| 10:51.46 | Flogiston | tralala. but I can't even load the map |
| 10:52.30 | tralala | Flogiston: maybe you're not using the correct name |
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| 10:53.03 | snorks | anyone know how to set CenterICQ to use http method with MSN? |
| 10:53.32 | snorks | Or whatever the url to that option is |
| 10:53.38 | dli | any good howto for building a .deb from compiled binaries |
| 10:53.46 | cire | I need a small Java IDE for debian. Eclipse and Netbeans are too slow for my machine. Which shall I use? |
| 10:54.16 | Gnea | cire: what is your machine? |
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| 10:54.36 | cire | Gnea: PIII-700 |
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| 10:54.48 | Flogiston | tralala: i think I am. I'm following a site for swedish dvorak layout. |
| 10:54.53 | beardy | dli: /msg dpkg nm guide |
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| 10:55.58 | Gnea | ok now this is seriously disturbing... |
| 10:56.08 | tralala | Flogiston: you might want to do some more research. I'm not really familiar with swedish stuff |
| 10:56.30 | Flogiston | Tralala: Thanks anyway. |
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| 10:56.43 | Gnea | when i switch a switch from a compaq to a netgear and plug everything into it, everything works except for the laptop |
| 10:57.01 | Gnea | the laptop gets ip, but simply will not pass traffic past it |
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| 10:57.34 | Gnea | i plugged the cable (cat5) into another switch and it pings just fine |
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| 10:57.55 | fireba11 | compaq sucks :-) |
| 10:58.14 | Gnea | in this case, compaq rocks, netgear sucks ;) |
| 10:58.25 | tralala | Gnea: do you have some strange firewall rules or kernel settings on this laptop? |
| 10:58.34 | Gnea | tralala: nope! |
| 10:58.41 | Gnea | no firewall at all |
| 10:58.51 | cire | When trying to configure (after install) emacs21, I always get "While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/speedbar/rpm.el: |
| 10:58.51 | cire | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.52 | crypt_ex | liable, okay will have a look. |
| 10:58.55 | cire | sorry |
| 10:59.07 | cire | Didn't know it was sending that fast |
| 10:59.07 | fireba11 | Gnea: i guess you cut the power to the swtich and waited a couple minutes already ? |
| 10:59.11 | Gnea | it's an intel 82801CAC ICH3 PRO/100 nic |
| 10:59.13 | crypt_ex | liable, how do I check the bug tracking? |
| 10:59.18 | Gnea | fireba11: yup |
| 10:59.25 | fireba11 | gnea you tried different ports on the switch ? |
| 10:59.29 | Gnea | fireba11: it gets weirder |
| 10:59.31 | beardy | Gnea: Have you tried with a different cable? The cable may only like the working switch's socket.. not very likely, but maybe. |
| 10:59.35 | cire | anyway: Do you know what I may do about this? |
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| 10:59.40 | Gnea | the laptop can ping any other system on the lan |
| 10:59.46 | Gnea | except for the router and the internet |
| 11:00.02 | Gnea | and vice versa - but every other system talks to the internet like usual |
| 11:00.18 | nixie | check router arp table? |
| 11:00.23 | fluxwhore | does everyone here use Active Directory domain at work then I take it? Do you authenticate linux there or not, do you centrally authenticate your linux machines somewhere else? |
| 11:00.25 | Gnea | erm |
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| 11:00.57 | liable | crypt_ex: bugs.debian.org |
| 11:01.05 | tralala | Gnea: I don't know much about switches, but is it possible that this one modifies the mac address on that port or something similarly nasty? |
| 11:01.06 | nixie | or does ARP go through but no IP? |
| 11:01.10 | liable | !tell crypt_ex about bts |
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| 11:02.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: have you checked your routing tables? |
| 11:02.24 | nixie | fluxwhore: in the past I had to use Microsofts "AD compatible" NIS solution to authenticate linux servers. its not pretty tho. |
| 11:02.32 | Gnea | tralala: i switched cables all over the place, the problem is the same all across it - there's a problem either with the switch or the nic, and i'm inclined to believe it's the switch since the other 2 switches i have here work just fine |
| 11:02.39 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 11:02.51 | Gnea | ok here's the weird thing |
| 11:02.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: :< |
| 11:03.08 | Gnea | if i run pump on the laptop, it gets an ip - syslog even verifies it on BOTH ends |
| 11:03.27 | Gnea | if i plug in a pcmcia nic and get an ip, that interface works just fine |
| 11:03.31 | beardy | Gnea: You have tried different slots on the switch? |
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| 11:04.30 | Gnea | beardy: yup, i randomized all ports around |
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| 11:04.54 | Gnea | hmmm |
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| 11:04.55 | crypt_ex | Thanks liable |
| 11:05.21 | Gnea | arp on the laptop doesn't catch the mac of the router |
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| 11:05.26 | beardy | Gnea: If another nic works, then the nic is broken? Or the combination of that particular nic and switch. |
| 11:05.26 | tralala | Gnea: sounds like this particular nic is not compatible with this particular switch... definately weird |
| 11:05.27 | nixie | :) |
| 11:05.35 | beardy | heh |
| 11:05.38 | nixie | gnea what happens if you add static arp |
| 11:05.40 | tralala | beardy: gotcha :) |
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| 11:05.47 | Gnea | nixie: trying now |
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| 11:06.03 | plbgnr | hello, is there way to use sth like: cat `ls `find . -name 'smth'`` ....I want use `` inside `` |
| 11:06.11 | jm_ | plbgnr: yes |
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| 11:07.03 | jm_ | although I don't understand the point of ls `find ...` |
| 11:07.21 | plbgnr | jm_: ...it was just bad example |
| 11:07.33 | jm_ | plbgnr: `` doesn't support nesting, $() does |
| 11:07.46 | Phated | I <3 $() |
| 11:07.46 | tralala | blazefx: '*somehing_inside*' |
| 11:07.49 | tralala | ops |
| 11:07.54 | tralala | plbgnr: ^^ |
| 11:08.31 | tralala | oh, I didn't get the question |
| 11:08.44 | weissi | plbgnr: wouldn't it be easier to do `for f in *; do cat $f; done` ??? |
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| 11:09.17 | beardy | plbgnr: Use $(foo) instead, makes it easier to read, and looks nicer. Do you mean something like 'head $(cat $(which somescriptinusrbin))' I'm not sure it works.. have to check.. |
| 11:09.22 | tralala | plbgnr: you can consider find | xargs |
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| 11:09.56 | weissi | beardy: it works, $(...) can be nested (jm_ told it already) |
| 11:10.00 | tralala | plbgnr: but from the way it looks I bet there will be a better way to achieve the goal |
| 11:10.40 | tralala | so if you care to tell what's the goal... |
| 11:10.47 | beardy | weissi: Yeah, I wrote slowly.. |
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| 11:11.04 | weissi | tralala: no, `find -print0 | xargs -0 cat` is a very good solution, because it supports blanks in filenames! |
| 11:11.11 | Gnea | nixie: if i match the mac into the arp table it still fails |
| 11:12.49 | Gnea | changing the cable provides the same result |
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| 11:13.39 | k31th | Ok guys, how would you go about adding 1500 + users to about 4 mysql databases the Linux system & sendmail :p |
| 11:13.45 | plbgnr | tralala,jm_: thanks $() works good for my case :) |
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| 11:14.44 | Gnea | hrm, maybe someone else can verify this: Intel Corporation 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 42) + Netgear FS608 v2 |
| 11:14.45 | tralala | plbgnr: your example seems unnecessarily complex though |
| 11:15.00 | weissi | plbgnr: but in case of blanks in filenames it fails |
| 11:15.25 | weissi | plbngr: consider `find -print0 | xargs -0 cat` |
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| 11:17.15 | nixie | Gnea: im guessing the faulty switch is non-manageable? |
| 11:17.33 | plbgnr | tralala,weissi: as I said it was just bad example and final working thing :) is here http://pastebin.com/531895 |
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| 11:18.22 | DeadS0ul | hi, have any of you install lirc modules installed on sid? i'm having trouble with it |
| 11:19.17 | tralala | DeadS0ul: have you installed the lirc modules so far? |
| 11:19.19 | Neverth | i got lirc modules, had to take the cvs version from the site |
| 11:19.30 | DeadS0ul | naw that's the trouble I'm having with it =( |
| 11:19.31 | Neverth | and sid here |
| 11:19.50 | tralala | DeadS0ul: they need the whole kernel source |
| 11:20.04 | tralala | at least they do in sarge |
| 11:20.21 | DeadS0ul | i got the source =O |
| 11:20.36 | DeadS0ul | even have the link /usr/src/linux pointing to it |
| 11:20.36 | CAiRO | what can i do if my printer suddenly stopped working? when i load parport, it prints "parport0: Printer, Hewlett-Packard HP LaserJet 1100", so i assume there's generally still a connection between printer and computer when i can't start it in cups and i can't echo "something" >/dev/lp0 |
| 11:20.39 | CAiRO | what could be wrong? |
| 11:21.01 | Neverth | tralala, the sid package i installed compiled the modules, but only one of them loaded succesfully |
| 11:21.19 | tralala | DeadS0ul: chdir to the source toplevel dir then and make-kpkg modules-image |
| 11:21.52 | DeadS0ul | oki lemme try that |
| 11:22.20 | tralala | Neverth: I'm not sure if you can have more than one lirc module at the same time... |
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| 11:23.12 | DeadS0ul | have to install kernel-package first >D |
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| 11:24.12 | DeadS0ul | ohh look at it go |
| 11:24.45 | Neverth | lirc_serial and lirc_dev loaded version 0.8.0cvs, the onse in sid are still 0.7.2 |
| 11:24.45 | DeadS0ul | naw it's screwing up at lirc |
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| 11:25.15 | DeadS0ul | Sorry, this driver needs bttv version 0.7.45 |
| 11:25.19 | DeadS0ul | here we go =O |
| 11:25.22 | Neverth | woo, official release 0.8.0 |
| 11:25.48 | DeadS0ul | ah crap |
| 11:25.53 | DeadS0ul | so I download it from the site? |
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| 11:26.04 | tralala | DeadS0ul: which driver do you want to use? |
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| 11:26.10 | Neverth | go ahead, worked for at the first try |
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| 11:26.29 | tralala | tralala: are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 11:26.31 | DeadS0ul | whatever works, this bttv works fine on this card |
| 11:26.38 | phydoxx | on apache-perl, i have "ExecCGI" for /var/www and "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .sh .pl" but on the client, it still tries to download the *.cgi - any ideas where to look for the problem? |
| 11:26.40 | DeadS0ul | just need the remote working |
| 11:27.15 | tralala | DeadS0ul: so you have a btXXX tuner card? |
| 11:27.40 | DeadS0ul | yeap |
| 11:27.49 | DeadS0ul | using a 2.6.15 kernel btw |
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| 11:28.39 | nixie | phydoxx: loadmodule cgi_module? |
| 11:28.44 | tralala | DeadS0ul: this must be a sid issue then. It compiles just fine with sarge. |
| 11:29.12 | Besack | Question: i had bittorrent working, i rebuilt my system and am using unstable, and now it wont accept the -max_upload_rate command, anyone help me with this? |
| 11:29.13 | Neverth | DeadS0ul, hehe, cheapest way to get the remote, receivercost me 8euros (serial) and its inside broken mouse, now: anyone have any idea why tranferring stuff with gnomad libs to jukebox brokes lirc |
| 11:29.27 | jm_ | Besack: how about you help yourself? |
| 11:29.28 | DeadS0ul | hah |
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| 11:29.52 | Fujoor | hey guys, does anyone know if its possible to remote install debian on a computer? |
| 11:30.04 | Fujoor | on a computer without a screen and keyboard? |
| 11:30.05 | Besack | jm_: i have tried a stable version, but it didnt seem to fix the problem |
| 11:30.05 | jm_ | Fujoor: yes, many people know |
| 11:30.09 | phydoxx | nixie, yes, its active on the modules.conf |
| 11:30.14 | Fujoor | jm: are u know of them? ;) |
| 11:30.14 | Besack | im sure last time i was using it it was an older version. |
| 11:30.15 | jm_ | Besack: what does --help show? |
| 11:30.18 | jm_ | Fujoor: sure |
| 11:30.21 | Teltariat | Besack: its "--max_upload_rate", I think |
| 11:30.24 | tralala | Neverth: yeah, my first remote (still exists) was a self made serial one. But then I bought a tv card :) |
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| 11:30.47 | Fujoor | jm: so how do i do it, any guide out there? |
| 11:30.54 | jm_ | Fujoor: installation manual covers it |
| 11:31.50 | Fujoor | jm: ok, you aint being so helpful there mate, any url? |
| 11:32.16 | tralala | !google debian installation manual |
| 11:32.25 | dpkg | Google says debian installation manual is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en or http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 11:32.37 | tralala | Fujoor: not too difficult, eh? |
| 11:32.37 | Besack | Here is my command /usr/bin/btlaunchmanycurses --max_upload_rate 6 --minport 6881 --maxport 6889 . <------- that used to work, but now it says "OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '--max_upload_rate'" |
| 11:32.57 | pengol | where can I find a list for the 'Section:' values in a pakage control file? |
| 11:33.27 | Fujoor | tralala: ah, should i search for network install or what is it refered as? |
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| 11:34.09 | tralala | Fujoor: are you going to do a network install? then yes |
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| 11:34.17 | jm_ | pengol: in the Debian reference |
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| 11:34.57 | Fujoor | tralala: i just thought network install was a minimal install where the cd downloads the needed files from the internet |
| 11:35.32 | tralala | Fujoor: that's right |
| 11:35.44 | jm_ | Besack: the usage is btlaunchwhatever <directory> <global options> |
| 11:35.53 | snorks | Is there a way to use HTTP method with MSN in CenterICQ? |
| 11:35.57 | Fujoor | tralala: but what is was looking for was to install debian on a compiuter without a screen or keyboard, via a remote computer? |
| 11:36.06 | pengol | Thanks jm_ |
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| 11:36.29 | jm_ | pengol: section 2.4 specifically |
| 11:37.14 | tralala | Fujoor: jm_ suggested you to read the installation manual |
| 11:37.23 | pengol | obliged jm_ |
| 11:37.36 | Fujoor | ok thanks |
| 11:37.53 | k31th | does pan support nzb ? |
| 11:37.55 | pengol | jm_: 2.4 debian boot sequence |
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| 11:38.06 | jm_ | pengol: what are you looking at? |
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| 11:38.47 | jm_ | ahh fuck sorry - Policy manual, not reference ;) |
| 11:39.11 | pengol | jm_: want to do a deb for a resource management software, need the correct Section: string in the control file |
| 11:39.13 | tarzeau | !orkut |
| 11:39.25 | tarzeau | !gmail |
| 11:39.25 | dpkg | well, gmail is a web mail service from Google that is _still_ not supported by Konqueror.... http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 11:39.44 | tarzeau | dpkg orkut /msg tarzeau for orkut invites |
| 11:39.56 | jm_ | pengol: what kind of resource management? |
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| 11:40.15 | pengol | jm_: a distributed resource management system |
| 11:40.19 | pengol | jm_: slurm |
| 11:41.17 | jm_ | pengol: probably admin |
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| 11:41.53 | inetd_ | daka daka |
| 11:42.10 | pengol | jm_: arg ... there have never been a beowulf section? |
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| 11:42.26 | jm_ | pengol: sections are not named after the packages |
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| 11:43.01 | pengol | jm_: sorry? |
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| 11:43.59 | jm_ | pengol: doing that would require anoher section for different kind of cluster, and yet another for third one and so on... sections would soon lose their meaning if used like that |
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| 11:48.05 | pengol | jm_: true :) |
| 11:48.16 | pengol | jm_: would be caotic like my home |
| 11:48.56 | jm_ | pengol: debtags initiative was created because of the issue with sections |
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| 11:53.07 | pengol | jm_: is it possible to distribute the package under debina? |
| 11:53.13 | pengol | debian* |
| 11:53.18 | jm_ | pengol: your package? |
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| 11:53.38 | pengol | jm_: yep |
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| 11:54.00 | jm_ | pengol: sure, but it needs to be accepted first - the fact that it's packaged might help with it |
| 11:54.27 | pengol | how can I ask for doing? |
| 11:55.02 | threat | pengol, mosh |
| 11:55.16 | pengol | mosh? |
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| 11:55.37 | jm_ | !rfp |
| 11:55.38 | dpkg | well, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 11:55.47 | threat | !rfc |
| 11:55.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, rfc is Request For Comments. They are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/, http://www.rfc.net, or ask about rfc 1918 for private address ranges |
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| 11:58.50 | jm_ | si dpkg is not RFC compliant then ;) |
| 11:58.52 | jm_ | so* |
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| 11:59.23 | fluxwhore | nixie: AD compatible NIS solution? |
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| 11:59.45 | fluxwhore | why not just keep your linux under separate NIS then? |
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| 12:01.00 | phyrster | when I try to use rar 3.51 to extract a file under linux, I got this error message: |
| 12:01.03 | phyrster | *** glibc detected *** realloc(): invalid next size: 0x080bb4e8 *** |
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| 12:01.15 | phyrster | I am using sid and and the latest rar, what gives? |
| 12:01.36 | TBBle | phyrster: Bug in rar, complain to author, I suspect. |
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| 12:02.01 | toad_ | what version of X is in testing? |
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| 12:03.07 | toad_ | R6.9, which is regarded as stable by x.org? |
| 12:03.20 | TBBle | threat: Why the SOCKS5 RFC? |
| 12:03.37 | threat | ? I dontr know |
| 12:03.40 | Neverth | toad_, xorg version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 i guess... |
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| 12:04.10 | toad_ | hmmm |
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| 12:04.16 | toad_ | the backported version is 6.9 |
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| 12:04.42 | toad_ | so 6.9 is in sid, 6.8 is in testing, both are *theoretically* stable? |
| 12:04.51 | toad_ | but not regarded by debian as such |
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| 12:05.07 | Neverth | 6.9 hasn't crashed here |
| 12:05.09 | threat | toad_, no debian is refering to the package, not the actual program |
| 12:05.09 | jm_ | maybe you should learn how packages are propagated from sid to testing |
| 12:05.38 | threat | toad_, the actual program could be still in alpha and be in a stablle debian release |
| 12:05.41 | toad_ | 6.9 and 4.3 have crashed here |
| 12:05.56 | toad_ | might be a problem other than the X server |
| 12:06.05 | toad_ | I'm going to try switching graphics cards next I think |
| 12:06.10 | Neverth | toad_, what card |
| 12:06.15 | toad_ | nvidia 5200 |
| 12:06.25 | toad_ | different crashes though |
| 12:06.48 | Neverth | kfo_, 5500 here (thus gf3ti200 had more power lol) |
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| 12:07.00 | toad_ | on 4.3, once every 24 hours or so, (not exactly and i can't find any relevant cronjobs) it goes to 100% cpu and loses the keyboard |
| 12:07.09 | Neverth | kfo?....damn tab |
| 12:07.14 | toad_ | on 6.9 it just crashes out as if ctrl+alt+bksp |
| 12:07.19 | toad_ | to a blank screen |
| 12:07.34 | toad_ | at which point i have to reboot (ctrl+alt+fnum or openvt don't help) |
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| 12:07.44 | toad_ | one commonality is the graphics card |
| 12:07.52 | sep | toad_, i had that earlier. on a ich7 mainboard. i tried upgrading and downgrading tons of packages. nothing helped... now after a bios firmware upgrade and a factory reset of bios i'v not had a crash in 3 weeks *fingers crossed* |
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| 12:08.08 | toad_ | that's bizarre |
| 12:08.10 | Neverth | i just have problems with mouse, buth thats just kvm, can't use real consoles |
| 12:08.31 | toad_ | how do i find out what model my mobo is? |
| 12:08.40 | sep | toad_, rashed the same on nvidiaæs driver on nv driveres and on vesa. no difference. crashed on xorg and xfree. |
| 12:08.42 | Neverth | take flashlight and look? |
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| 12:08.54 | informatica | Pardillos |
| 12:08.55 | sep | toad_, i just read it off the mainboard. |
| 12:08.56 | toad_ | there's no quick way? |
| 12:08.59 | toad_ | ok |
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| 12:09.10 | toad_ | sep: did you try changing graphics card? |
| 12:09.28 | toad_ | sep: or motherboard? |
| 12:09.32 | informatica | Barça |
| 12:09.33 | sep | toad_, no. becouse all my other cards are agp |
| 12:09.37 | sep | nope. |
| 12:09.42 | nixie | which FS is the most solid for PCs that crash alot? i'm crying a river over XFS corruption right now. should i just use ext3 with journalling or should i go for ext2 instead? |
| 12:09.43 | toad_ | sep: it was PCI-E? PCI? |
| 12:09.46 | sep | i had memtest running 2 days with non error on it |
| 12:09.48 | sep | pci-e |
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| 12:10.25 | sep | nixie, i'd rather fix the crashing... |
| 12:10.37 | nixie | sep: impossible. fglrx. |
| 12:10.40 | Neverth | nixie, how about reiserfs? |
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| 12:10.50 | toad_ | nixie: it's still that bad?! |
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| 12:10.57 | sep | nixie, , make sure write cache is off. |
| 12:10.59 | Neverth | dunno if its stable but it doesn't need checks |
| 12:11.15 | toad_ | sep: turn off write cache on the hard disks you mean? |
| 12:11.18 | nixie | 1) IF i want 3D, i need to boot to windows first. 2) VERY often if i restart X or go to console it hangs hard. |
| 12:11.27 | sep | toad_, yes ofcouse |
| 12:11.28 | nixie | so yes. ATI sucks major balls. |
| 12:11.32 | toad_ | nixie: eek |
| 12:11.38 | toad_ | nixie: there's an open driver... |
| 12:11.40 | nixie | sep: good point |
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| 12:11.44 | fireba11 | nixie: ext3 with journaling .. but fix the crashes .. i got boxes here with 160 days ptime .. that was the last power failure, i don't have a UPS yet |
| 12:11.46 | nixie | toad_: 5fps sucks even more |
| 12:11.50 | fluxwhore | ext3, tried and true, or reiserfs, tried and fast but also surprisingly good at recovering after I pull the power cord! |
| 12:11.51 | toad_ | nixie: worked well for me on a r9000 |
| 12:11.52 | crypt_ex | Can I get dpkg to force an install for a web? |
| 12:11.54 | crypt_ex | deb sorry |
| 12:12.00 | informatica | Juani |
| 12:12.06 | sep | i use ext3 allways. only use xfs on partitions with only large files |
| 12:12.20 | toad_ | nixie: there's also an experimental driver for everything up to an x850, but that DOES crash |
| 12:12.29 | informatica | cocoon |
| 12:12.30 | sep | the only time ever i'v had dataloss is on reiserfs. so im not toutching the thing. |
| 12:12.33 | fireba11 | fluxwhore: and tends to loose everything on seriuos damage .. ^^ |
| 12:12.37 | phyrster | TBBle: you sure that is an rar bug? the errors occur in some files, but no in others |
| 12:12.48 | sep | !reiserfs |
| 12:12.49 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 12:12.53 | informatica | your mothers fucking |
| 12:12.57 | toad_ | reiserfs is a lot better nowadays, but i can see why you'd wantto use ext3 |
| 12:13.09 | informatica | idiots |
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| 12:13.25 | informatica | England 0-3 Spain |
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| 12:13.52 | sep | informatica, you have a debian related question or should we just put you on ignore allready ? |
| 12:13.59 | toad_ | sep: it's usually a matter of a freedos boot disk? |
| 12:14.10 | informatica | Pichons |
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| 12:14.25 | crypt_ex | can it be done with dpkg, a forced install? |
| 12:14.33 | jiriki | !marilla |
| 12:14.38 | jiriki | !marillat |
| 12:14.39 | dpkg | [marillat] (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 12:14.46 | Neverth | crypt_ex, what do you mean by forced install |
| 12:14.53 | informatica | What your name? |
| 12:14.55 | fluxwhore | well, it's always recovered after a particular server seized up and had to be unplugged and replugged a couple of times a day... |
| 12:14.59 | sep | toad_, ?? im not sure what you are answering too :) |
| 12:15.06 | toad_ | sep: upgrading the bios |
| 12:15.07 | fluxwhore | i guess ext3 is the slow safer choice |
| 12:15.16 | crypt_ex | Neverth, a deb requires a different version of libc6 |
| 12:15.23 | sep | toad_, ahh yes. a boot disk with a flashutil and a bios file on |
| 12:15.23 | informatica | Cabrones hablar en español |
| 12:15.31 | fluxwhore | but then why so SUSE and Gentoo, 2 of the best and most respected distros both default to reiserfs? |
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| 12:15.38 | sep | toad_, dl from your mainboard vendor's page. |
| 12:15.39 | toad_ | sep: i thought some of them were windows only now? |
| 12:15.42 | informatica | yes,yes, marica+ |
| 12:15.45 | fireba11 | fluxwhore: it's safe ... but according to speed tests it's not really slower than reiserFS |
| 12:15.55 | sep | toad_, you'sd never buy such crap now would you |
| 12:16.01 | toad_ | fluxwhore: reiserfs is pretty safe, and it's faster |
| 12:16.03 | Neverth | crypt_ex, so, use force otions (i don't like those) or disassemble deb and remove depencies and assemble again :p |
| 12:16.09 | toad_ | fluxwhore: but it's not 10 years old |
| 12:16.10 | informatica_ | io puta |
| 12:16.14 | toad_ | fluxwhore: so ext3 may be safer |
| 12:16.22 | informatica_ | yo me casgo en dios |
| 12:16.25 | toad_ | reiserfs has only had a really good fsck for like 2 years |
| 12:16.30 | poyatron | rthrf |
| 12:16.32 | sep | fluxwhore, debian is the best and most respected distro.. i have no respect for the others :) |
| 12:16.37 | toad_ | sourceforge uses reiserfs |
| 12:16.38 | poyatron | me cago en los tontos |
| 12:16.47 | toad_ | as did mp3.com |
| 12:16.49 | Valdes | fireball your mother is bich |
| 12:16.52 | Neverth | sep, not even for gentoo? |
| 12:16.55 | crypt_ex | Neverth, looks like its been installed anyways |
| 12:16.57 | crypt_ex | strange |
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| 12:17.07 | toad_ | and it's always worked fine for me, when i had data loss it was due to LVM :) |
| 12:17.24 | sep | Neverth, gentoo is fore peaple with no hurry to actualy _do_ anything :) |
| 12:17.33 | poyatron | me cago en los guiris |
| 12:17.33 | toad_ | sep: ;) |
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| 12:17.41 | DoM`Afk | hi all |
| 12:17.42 | Valdes | BARCELONA 3-0 CHELSEA |
| 12:17.50 | sep | Neverth, either that or my hardware is not 133t enoughf :) |
| 12:17.58 | Neverth | sep, yep, but if you got big amd and you search for screensaver its good |
| 12:17.59 | toad_ | any ops around? |
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| 12:18.37 | Valdes | tHE cHELSEA IS BAD |
| 12:18.37 | DoM`Afk | anyone of you knows how can i build on debian with raidtools a raid 0+1 with 4 hd? i mean i need to use multipath level ? |
| 12:18.37 | nixie | this isnt #soccer, or is it |
| 12:18.37 | sep | Neverth, a screensaver is for when you'r _not_ using your computer... whats the point in that at all ? :) |
| 12:18.38 | toad_ | first it was idiots talking about sex on #debian, now it's idiots talking about football |
| 12:18.38 | sep | Neverth, all my servers are headless anyway. :) |
| 12:18.39 | tralala | !ops valdyn is a troll |
| 12:18.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: valdyn is a troll |
| 12:18.45 | tralala | aaah! sorry |
| 12:18.47 | fireba11 | toad_: no, soccer ^^ |
| 12:18.47 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:19.09 | toad_ | tralala: thanks :) |
| 12:19.25 | Neverth | sep, bah, i got kvm and i mostly work on this comp, big A works as counter, renderer, and stuff |
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| 12:19.27 | fluxwhore | debian is good, but very rough around a lot of edges, I've had more problems with Debian than any other distro and I've used pretty much all of them including gentoo |
| 12:19.47 | fluxwhore | the stable distro is nice and stable though... |
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| 12:19.59 | toad_ | fluxwhore: i used sid for about 8 years and had very few serious problems |
| 12:20.15 | fluxwhore | shame you gotta run Sid to stay up to date, I can't apt-get kde at the mo, but did the kde-core instead |
| 12:20.25 | toad_ | fluxwhore: sarge has KDE |
| 12:20.33 | toad_ | fluxwhore: sarge has everything pretty much |
| 12:20.40 | nixie | pfft, stability > uptodate |
| 12:21.02 | toad_ | fluxwhore: it doesn't have X.org, but etch will. it has a great installer. it's a great distro, and i don't NEED to run sid any more. |
| 12:21.18 | tralala | nixie: not necessarily always |
| 12:21.20 | toad_ | and it runs on 11 platforms |
| 12:21.38 | dusty- | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 12:21.38 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.38 | dusty- | E: Broken packages |
| 12:21.49 | dusty- | I keep getting that when i try to install azureus, how can i fix that? |
| 12:21.51 | toad_ | dusty-: add config and non-free ? |
| 12:21.58 | toad_ | err |
| 12:21.59 | fluxwhore | i ran etch, which was pretty good I have to say and i was glad to come into the 21st century with X.org even if it is more political than technological |
| 12:22.02 | toad_ | contrib and non-free ? |
| 12:22.09 | sep | Neverth, truth be told i have kvm on my servers too, but seriously it's nicer to be in a xterm+ssh then in a console on kvm :) |
| 12:22.17 | toad_ | fluxwhore: there's some cool tech in it too :) |
| 12:22.21 | fluxwhore | just curiosity that I went to Sid (also the baghira theme for kde is nice) |
| 12:22.30 | fluxwhore | baghira only in Sid tho |
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| 12:23.11 | toad_ | fluxwhore: looks darwini-ish |
| 12:23.22 | Neverth | sep, but it doesn't act as server, i need x on it |
| 12:23.23 | toad_ | darwin-ish |
| 12:23.28 | dusty- | deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 12:23.29 | dusty- | deb-src http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 12:23.32 | dusty- | toad_, i got that.. |
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| 12:23.37 | fluxwhore | It's the biggest shame that you can't jump between branches in both directions like you can in gentoo |
| 12:23.44 | toad_ | agreed |
| 12:24.01 | toad_ | ummm 833 nick limit does that mean if i reboot to fix my mobo i can't come back? |
| 12:24.06 | TBBle | phyrster: I'm not _sure_, but as I recall RAR is closed-source, so there's no trivial way to find out. |
| 12:24.17 | toad_ | TBBle: i think unrar is open |
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| 12:24.30 | TBBle | phyrster: He said he was using rar 3.14 |
| 12:24.30 | tralala | toad_: no, it's only free |
| 12:24.30 | toad_ | apt-get source unrar |
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| 12:24.36 | TBBle | Uhh, that was to toad_ |
| 12:24.38 | cire | I just installed samba as PDC. Machine successfully added to domain. I can login, but it tells me my remote profiles directory could not be found. In samba log, there are entries "credential check failed". Rights are set correctly... |
| 12:24.46 | Neverth | fluxwhore, what? yes you can, from sid to down almost everything works, i got testing/sid system, everytime sid package wot work i install etch one |
| 12:24.54 | TBBle | toad_: That's a different unrar, not by the author. |
| 12:24.57 | dusty- | any ideas? |
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| 12:25.30 | toad_ | unrar-nonfree-3.5.2/ has source code |
| 12:25.34 | TBBle | O_ |
| 12:25.38 | dusty- | what? |
| 12:25.45 | TBBle | O_O I guess that changed. Either way, he said he was using rar, which doesn't. |
| 12:25.53 | toad_ | some dodgy license presumably |
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| 12:26.07 | toad_ | by installing this software, you agree to give me $1M... |
| 12:26.30 | toad_ | and vote for dick cheney |
| 12:26.32 | TBBle | Off the top of my head, it's non-commercial only. |
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| 12:27.11 | dusty- | anyone use debian unstable + azureus |
| 12:27.13 | TBBle | And he won't open the source of the compressor because then people would make a free winrar and he'd no longer be reaping millions in shareware fees. |
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| 12:29.46 | toad_ | TBBle: except that everyone steals it anyway |
| 12:29.51 | toad_ | rar is mostly used for piracy |
| 12:29.53 | toad_ | ok i shut up |
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| 12:31.19 | kryl | hi |
| 12:31.28 | kryl | please how to detect the type of my watchdog ? |
| 12:31.40 | kryl | I want to add the option to kernel but wich one ? |
| 12:31.47 | kryl | I use a tyan SMP MB |
| 12:32.02 | ronin | doh, bad thing to roll the office chair into the power bar turning off 3 machines |
| 12:32.05 | TBBle | toad_: Prolly a good idea, once you reach that stage in the monologue. |
| 12:32.55 | toad_ | TBBle: sorry |
| 12:33.15 | toad_ | gigabyte motherboard... |
| 12:33.15 | fireba11 | ronin: ah well ... the cleaners here did shut off power a couple times too ^^ |
| 12:33.19 | toad_ | provides only an EXE |
| 12:33.29 | toad_ | which when run by wine is an unpacker |
| 12:33.45 | ronin | fireba11: fine wthen the cleaners do it, im supposed to know better, oh well it was only desktops in my office |
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| 12:35.10 | Teratogen | gonna try a debian install on my ancient sparcstation 20 |
| 12:35.11 | Teratogen | =) |
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| 12:35.28 | toad_ | # file FLASH879.EXE |
| 12:35.28 | toad_ | FLASH879.EXE: MS-DOS executable (EXE) |
| 12:35.29 | toad_ | yay |
| 12:35.40 | Teratogen | mmm, ms-dos |
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| 12:36.13 | toad_ | so it's a windows installer but it gives me what i need for a DOS boot disk |
| 12:36.17 | toad_ | which I can do with freedos |
| 12:36.59 | kryl | is it a good idea to compile watchdog driver as module ? |
| 12:37.34 | tralala | kryl: speaking about good ideas, it is a great idea not to compile your own kernel |
| 12:38.03 | kryl | tralala, |
| 12:38.04 | kryl | :p |
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| 12:38.21 | kryl | It's a langage problem |
| 12:38.34 | toad_ | tralala: it is? |
| 12:38.38 | toad_ | tralala: why? |
| 12:38.41 | kryl | I want to mean where are problems when I use such a driver as module |
| 12:39.03 | kryl | tralala are you able to help me ? please |
| 12:39.14 | Gnea | great, lots of 05:38:74339 arp who-has server tell client |
| 12:39.24 | Teratogen | mmm, debian on sparc! |
| 12:39.52 | tralala | toad_: because if you're not Linus or a debian kernel maintainer you're not going to do better than an already packaged kernel. |
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| 12:40.29 | duhast | Ciao ! |
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| 12:40.37 | TBBle | Well, you can do better, in so far as if there's patches you need they don't have. However, you have to weigh that up against getting security updates without chewing between 20mins and two hours of CPU. |
| 12:40.56 | toad_ | tralala: /me has linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 available in aptitude |
| 12:40.57 | toad_ | hrrm |
| 12:41.02 | toad_ | presumably from backports? |
| 12:41.19 | tralala | kryl: I don't know, really. |
| 12:41.29 | duhast | Hello ! |
| 12:41.39 | fireba11 | toad_: if you're not running unstable ..most likely |
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| 12:41.57 | toad_ | sarge is 2.6.8 isn't it? |
| 12:42.03 | kryl | ok no problems |
| 12:42.12 | kryl | it's the first time I use a MB with watchdog |
| 12:42.20 | fireba11 | toad_: yes |
| 12:42.47 | epsilon | toad_: if you want newest kernel, compile kernel.org source from scratch |
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| 12:43.12 | toad_ | epsilon: i do |
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| 12:43.36 | tralala | as someone said recently compiling a kernel is sooo 20th century |
| 12:43.39 | fireba11 | toad_: 2.6.8-2 for 32-bit and 2.6.8-11 fpr 64-bit |
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| 12:44.20 | toad_ | the concern is simply that kernel.org is regarded as perpetual beta? |
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| 12:45.15 | epsilon | then take 2.4 |
| 12:45.53 | kryl | bye |
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| 12:53.00 | Phated | Open-source IS perpetual beta :) |
| 12:53.49 | nixie | well, call me oldskool, but i still compile all my kernels |
| 12:54.13 | tralala | nixie, you oldschool! |
| 12:54.14 | fireba11 | what the hell is a perpetual beta ? |
| 12:54.32 | tralala | fireba11: a never ending beta |
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| 12:55.30 | EmleyMoor | If I install tunnelling in my next kernel, will this give, for instance, qemu access to my network? |
| 12:55.38 | fireba11 | i don't mind a beta that runs for years without crashing ... microsoft is selling alphas then |
| 12:56.02 | tralala | fireba11: pre-alphas |
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| 12:56.17 | fireba11 | tralala: nope .. that is the stuff they label as beta |
| 12:56.25 | nixie | then what's ATI? is there a pre-pre-alpha stage?) |
| 12:56.29 | tralala | aaah, right :) |
| 12:56.53 | tralala | nixie: drivers or hardware? |
| 12:56.58 | nixie | maybe ATI is more like proof-of-concept code |
| 12:57.04 | fireba11 | tralala: i'm glad they give nothing out that they would label as alpha, because i would have to invent a term for that |
| 12:57.09 | sep | fireba11, didn't windows stop supporting alphas around windows nt ?.. |
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| 12:57.16 | sep | :) |
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| 13:00.26 | aethera | hmm do you need to install a language pack for openoffice to get the spell checker to work? |
| 13:01.08 | tralala | aethera: supposedly yes |
| 13:01.24 | aethera | hmmm |
| 13:01.54 | aethera | ah aspell was not installed |
| 13:01.55 | aethera | :P |
| 13:02.12 | aethera | I like etch |
| 13:02.15 | aethera | works nice |
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| 13:02.31 | aethera | have not incountered any bugs as of yet |
| 13:04.09 | tralala | an upgrade attempt of etch here says it wants to download ~700megs and it will break 6 packages. I could break a lot more packages without donwloading anything myself! |
| 13:04.51 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 13:05.23 | nixie | i wonder why apt-get dist-upgrade from woody>sarge removes 50 packages, whereas with dselect all is well with the world. |
| 13:05.37 | nixie | is that a woody thing? |
| 13:05.38 | jm_ | nixie: the recommended method is to use aptitude |
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| 13:06.29 | nixie | yea i have started to occasionally use aptitude for a few months now. used apt-get and dselect out of habit |
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| 13:07.06 | nixie | but does that mean dselect is deprecated? |
| 13:07.23 | jm_ | you can use aptitude as a replacement for apt-get, it has the same commands (well some are missing, but there are new ones) |
| 13:08.49 | nixie | *fetches aptitude for woody* |
| 13:10.10 | sep | nixie, read the release notes ! |
| 13:11.32 | nixie | sep, i probably should have, but i already upgraded all but 2 boxes with apt-get dselect-upgrade:) |
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| 13:17.22 | xored | stew: are you there ? i`ve had a long night, reinstaalling the hole linux box to debian sarge stable. After i now recompiled the kernel (2.6.8) i get a "cannot mount root part". Actually the system is on 2.4 |
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| 13:17.55 | nixie | xored: what's the reason for the recompile? |
| 13:17.59 | xored | stew: i have a promise controller in, on which all the hdds are. If compiled the needed promise driver in the kernel as module |
| 13:18.03 | macsim | xored, what's your file system ? |
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| 13:18.25 | xored | nixie: I want a clean linux box. Without aqll the kernel extras and overheads |
| 13:18.42 | xored | macsim: all the partitions are ext3 |
| 13:19.00 | nixie | xored: you might need to use the force option for the promise driver. enable both promise drivers, one of them doesnt show. |
| 13:19.04 | macsim | xored, ext3 is "module" or "hard" in the kernel |
| 13:19.04 | xored | macsim: the current root partiotion is on hde9, maybe names changed ? |
| 13:19.14 | xored | one second |
| 13:19.58 | nixie | with some promise cards, if you dont enable the kernel option "Enable controller even if disabled by BIOS", they wont init |
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| 13:21.03 | xored | macsim: dammit, it was a modul ! |
| 13:21.14 | macsim | xored, hehe ;) |
| 13:21.16 | xored | macsim: ok the thing is celar now i think |
| 13:21.17 | xored | :D |
| 13:21.20 | jm_ | then there's an option CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD |
| 13:21.23 | xored | macsim: sorry for disturbing |
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| 13:21.31 | macsim | xored, no pb |
| 13:22.38 | xored | nixie: i know, the promise controller chould work. the first step is to biuld in ext3, what was stupid on my side |
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| 13:23.10 | xored | nixie: if the promise controller would work, he would even find the kernel |
| 13:23.32 | xored | macsim: i hate a pIII compiling :) |
| 13:23.49 | xored | macsim: that 350MHz are taking me the whole day :) |
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| 13:24.04 | jm_ | so compile on faster machine |
| 13:24.32 | xored | jm_: not possible, as i do not have the same system |
| 13:24.44 | xored | jm_: only got to other ubuntu machines and that debian server |
| 13:24.46 | nixie | scp .config user@8wayOpteron:~/kernel/; ssh user@8wayOpteron "cd kernel; make -j9" |
| 13:24.56 | jm_ | xored: it doesn't matter if it's the same, just as long as you can compile for the right architecture |
| 13:25.11 | xored | jm_: how would i do suchs a thing ? |
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| 13:25.22 | xored | i mean clear, the kernel config must be right |
| 13:25.27 | jm_ | xored: and Ubuntu suggests you can do that - simply transfer kernel sources to Ubuntu and compile it there |
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| 13:25.53 | xored | jm_: ok next time i`ll try. I think he is ready for now, just compiled the diffrences |
| 13:26.22 | jm_ | xored: the only thing that might need doing is to rdev the resulting kernel image, but even that is irrelevant if you pass root= option in your boot loader |
| 13:26.37 | xored | jm_: sure i do |
| 13:26.50 | jm_ | xored: then you can do this in the future |
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| 13:27.26 | xored | jm_: thank you. One question. Hwo to find out in grub, which partions and there aliases are avaiable ? |
| 13:27.41 | nixie | xored: run grub as a shell |
| 13:27.48 | jm_ | xored: aliases are for hard drives, cat device.map |
| 13:27.58 | nixie | then just type root (hd[TAB],[TAB]) |
| 13:28.03 | xored | i can do a "cat into the grub shell" ? |
| 13:28.04 | jm_ | well for devices in general, not just for hard drives |
| 13:28.16 | jm_ | xored: no, cat /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 13:28.52 | xored | jm_: lets say i would do taht things. I have SATA and upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 ( names whould change form hda to sda) and i would not knowe this. Then i start and i would get a "root partition mount error" |
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| 13:29.26 | xored | jm_: how to get out, that the partitions are named SATA without asking or googling ? |
| 13:29.32 | nixie | xored: grub shell is your friend. study it. |
| 13:29.34 | xored | name sda, not sata |
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| 13:29.41 | nixie | grub even has a search command to search for filenames |
| 13:29.47 | xored | nixie: i did, help --all did not showed my what i wont to |
| 13:30.02 | nixie | no, you need to read some howtos on how grub works. or the documentation |
| 13:30.05 | nixie | not commandline help. |
| 13:30.11 | xored | nixie: but how to search for a filename if i even dont know the device alias ? |
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| 13:30.29 | nixie | xored: thats the point of searching. :) |
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| 13:30.45 | xored | hmm, can you give me an example ? |
| 13:30.58 | nixie | start grub, type 'root (hd[TAB],[TAB])' |
| 13:31.07 | xored | lets say we would have the upper situation. What would you do |
| 13:31.08 | nixie | hit that [TAB] key a few times. |
| 13:31.12 | xored | nixie: that wont work |
| 13:31.29 | jm_ | xored: man e2label |
| 13:31.30 | xored | nixie: i mean SOMEHOW i got ALL the drive aliases in /dev/ |
| 13:31.39 | xored | hda to hdg |
| 13:31.46 | xored | ok |
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| 13:32.20 | nixie | whatever's in /dev, its unrelated to grub. at the bootup process, there is no /dev. |
| 13:32.25 | xored | jm_: what would that be used for ? I can change the label, ok, but would that chnage the device alias ? |
| 13:32.34 | nixie | if your root partition is not seen by grub, well, then you're right and grub cant do it. |
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| 13:32.45 | jm_ | xored: you can use that in fstab for mounting |
| 13:32.54 | xored | nixie: ok. Thats ok |
| 13:33.08 | duhast | Ciao sono italiano |
| 13:33.17 | xored | nixie: lets say i can load the kernel ( hd0,0) and then neeed to get out where the root partition is |
| 13:33.33 | xored | jm_: but thats for a runngin syste, not in grub or ? |
| 13:34.06 | tralala | xored: grub doesn't mount anything |
| 13:34.06 | xored | nixie: i just need something similar to fdisk -l or something ( beside you must give the device in here too) |
| 13:34.30 | nixie | xored, have you run the commands i told you? |
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| 13:34.37 | xored | tralala: yeah, sure, but i need to get out, where to find the root partioin, find out whats his alias will be, to overgive it to the kenel |
| 13:34.42 | Psychotronics | hello |
| 13:34.53 | xored | nixie: i will need to restart, cuase that machine is my gateway :) |
| 13:34.55 | nixie | just start grub. type in 'root (hd' and start pushing TAB |
| 13:34.58 | nixie | xored no you dont. |
| 13:35.02 | nixie | grub can be ran from shell. |
| 13:35.05 | xored | ah ok |
| 13:35.07 | xored | hmm |
| 13:35.15 | xored | BUT nixie : in the case of |
| 13:35.51 | xored | switching fomr 2.4 to 2.6 the names would change. If i start the grub shell during using 2.4, i would get hda instead of sda ( in cas of SATAT) |
| 13:35.57 | nixie | no. |
| 13:36.01 | nixie | pleaes read what i write |
| 13:36.02 | tralala | xored: you can figure that out in grub as nixie is telling you |
| 13:36.06 | nixie | whatever's in /dev, its unrelated to grub. at the bootup process, there is no /dev. |
| 13:36.10 | Psychotronics | i was looking at various apt/dkpg tutorials and howto, but i cant find how to list all installed package from a section... all installed games for example, anyone can help? |
| 13:36.16 | xored | nixie: ok guys, sorry, ill just try |
| 13:36.45 | nixie | xored, once you know grub by heart you are saved. |
| 13:36.45 | jm_ | xored: grub uses device independent notation, so it's not a problem there |
| 13:36.45 | aethera | how is this I worked for this company right 3 months ago now they phone me and ask me for code I wrote like 6 months ago |
| 13:36.46 | aethera | wtf |
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| 13:36.49 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 13:37.08 | xored | jm_: ok |
| 13:37.16 | xored | ill just try it, thank you all |
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| 13:37.25 | Phated | aethera: Demand large amounts of cash :) |
| 13:37.35 | aethera | I would have to rewrite it |
| 13:37.42 | aethera | they have to pay me per hour now |
| 13:37.48 | Jacky^ | I get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted, tryng to turn DMA on with hdparm on 2.6.14-2-686 kernel, its may a bug ? |
| 13:37.50 | tralala | aethera: exactly! This is a great oportunity. |
| 13:38.04 | nixie | jacky, old hardware? |
| 13:38.11 | Jacky^ | nope, |
| 13:38.17 | Jacky^ | pentium 4 |
| 13:38.22 | aethera | FSCL |
| 13:38.27 | aethera | I am cheesed off now |
| 13:38.30 | aethera | this is stupid |
| 13:38.34 | nixie | jacky, see if hdparm says dma is on already. it should be in 2.6. |
| 13:38.41 | tralala | Jacky^: you need to load the ide drivers for your chipset before the ide-disk module |
| 13:38.42 | Jacky^ | is off .. |
| 13:39.13 | Jacky^ | tralala: uhm.. thanks :) |
| 13:39.16 | tralala | Jacky^: you can do that by generating a new initrd image |
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| 13:40.52 | ootput | hmm, a many packages hit sid |
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| 13:41.26 | KALASH | php 5.1 :o |
| 13:41.50 | KALASH | im stick with 5.0.5 until 5.1.5 |
| 13:41.56 | tralala | !hit sid |
| 13:42.10 | KALASH | !hit stable's slow release cycle |
| 13:42.40 | tralala | KALASH: you can always stick with gentoo... |
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| 13:42.52 | dr1v3r | is there anyone that can take a look at http://pastebin.com/532062 and tell me a way i can fix it please? i have been trying all morning |
| 13:42.55 | dr1v3r | thanks |
| 13:43.01 | KALASH | why would do that? |
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| 13:43.11 | fluxwhore | i'd actually rather stable never ever broke and kept to 3 year realeases like commercial systems |
| 13:43.16 | Jacky^ | tralala: what can I use to generate a new initrd img ? |
| 13:43.20 | fluxwhore | sid is a bit naughty though |
| 13:43.31 | tralala | Jacky^: mkinitrd (it has a manpage) |
| 13:43.32 | KALASH | debian with stable base OS but app packages from testign would be ideal |
| 13:43.34 | jm_ | dr1v3r: isn't it self explanatory? |
| 13:43.39 | bibe | dr1v3r : what's the output of 'pwd'? |
| 13:43.40 | Jacky^ | tralala: ok, ty |
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| 13:44.41 | dr1v3r | i dont know how i can delete it or i wouldnt of asked for help |
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| 13:45.07 | tralala | dr1v3r: that's the whole point - you can't! It's a read-only fs. |
| 13:45.09 | jm_ | how do you expect rm to work on read-only filesystem is beyond me |
| 13:45.10 | dr1v3r | the output is the file to the .pid |
| 13:45.46 | dr1v3r | well i cant get the package to run because of that problem, how can i fix it |
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| 13:45.54 | jm_ | find out why it's ro |
| 13:45.54 | tralala | dr1v3r: you are not trying to delete something from a cdrom are you? |
| 13:45.58 | dimir | dr1v3r: probably the filesystem (root?) you are trying to remove this file from is mounted with 'eroors=remount-ro' option. In that case kernel had detected strange behavior and remounted the filesystem read-only. You can not do anything about it (if it's root) but just reboot. |
| 13:46.04 | dr1v3r | no its on the HD |
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| 13:46.25 | dr1v3r | its not root, it is a user |
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| 13:46.46 | tralala | dr1v3r: the root fs |
| 13:46.52 | dimir | dr1v3r: do you know the difference between root user and root filesystem? |
| 13:46.56 | dr1v3r | root is only used to apt-get any packages to be installed manually other than root are installed into user folders |
| 13:46.58 | tralala | paste the output of mount |
| 13:47.17 | dimir | dr1v3r: but look how 1337 is your nick. |
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| 13:47.24 | dimir | !nickometer dr1v3r |
| 13:47.25 | dpkg | 'dr1v3r' is 37.000% lame, dimir |
| 13:48.03 | dr1v3r | http://pastebin.com/532068 |
| 13:48.07 | dr1v3r | output of mount |
| 13:48.20 | xored | jm_: it doesnt work. I comiled ext3 as a build in right now, but he could not mount the route partition. as y went to the grub shell while booting and tpyed : root hd[TAB] he gave me error1 : unrecognized device string |
| 13:48.35 | tralala | dr1v3r: reboot |
| 13:48.36 | dimir | dr1v3r: better output the: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 13:48.42 | jm_ | xored: it's root (hd<tab> |
| 13:48.47 | dimir | mount is not giving synced info |
| 13:49.05 | xored | jm_: so when iam trying to make it "block wise i need the opening (" ? |
| 13:49.20 | jm_ | xored: info grub -> Naming convention |
| 13:49.28 | tralala | dimir: we have the synced info - rm gave it |
| 13:49.47 | xored | ok iam off again :) |
| 13:49.54 | dr1v3r | http://pastebin.com/532072 cat /proc/mounts output |
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| 13:50.04 | dimir | tralala: from pastebin: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) (note rw) |
| 13:50.10 | xored | jm_: blockwise means, like there are in the partiion table, so the first primary is hd0,0, then hd0,1 ? |
| 13:50.29 | jm_ | xored: yes, but it won't work without (), please read the docs |
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| 13:50.41 | cbr | do debian official kernels have high memory suppot in them? |
| 13:50.42 | xored | ok, thank you |
| 13:50.52 | henk | Hi, where do i find a list of all packages that i have installed. I know dpkg must know this but I cant get it to tell me |
| 13:50.59 | dr1v3r | btw the box is only ssh access, and yes it is my box :d just before someone asks :D |
| 13:51.01 | jm_ | henk: read the FAQ |
| 13:51.02 | tralala | dimir: note the output of rm |
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| 13:52.23 | dimir | tralala: you still do not see the difference: mount (/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)) and from /proc/mounts (/dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0) |
| 13:52.35 | dimir | mount gives you 'rw'. |
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| 13:52.43 | memic | when i try to apt-get install spamassassin i get no installation candidate, but on another box with exactly the same sources i can install spamassin |
| 13:52.45 | memic | ideas? |
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| 13:53.04 | dr1v3r | so is there anyway of fixing this without rebooting? |
| 13:53.05 | dimir | But anyway, the only thing to do is reboot. But first - get the idea why this happened. |
| 13:53.11 | dimir | no. |
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| 13:53.32 | dr1v3r | why would this have happend? |
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| 13:53.40 | jm_ | usually disk errors |
| 13:53.42 | jm_ | run dmesg |
| 13:53.48 | tralala | dr1v3r: unclean shutdown |
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| 13:54.26 | dr1v3r | unclean shutdown? is that when things are still running when the reboot is issued? |
| 13:54.45 | henk | jm_ ... oops i must be needing coffee i completely overlooked dpkg -l which was very obvious... shame on me sorry for the stupid question |
| 13:54.48 | jm_ | no, it's if you type shutdown with dirty hands |
| 13:54.53 | jm_ | henk: indeed :) |
| 13:56.04 | Wyzard | dr1v3r: It's when the power gets turned off abruptly without running any sort of shutdown command at all |
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| 13:56.55 | Wyzard | dr1v3r: or a dying drive |
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| 13:57.27 | dr1v3r | ahh i see, ok i will look into that, thank you :D |
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| 13:57.58 | tralala | dr1v3r: sometimes fixing the fs errors requires console access to the system |
| 13:58.12 | kurtak | Hello - I could use some help installing some libs- libsigc++ to be exact. When I try to do ./configure, it says it can't find gcc, but i just installed gcc. Any clues?? |
| 13:58.26 | jm_ | Debian has libsigc++ |
| 13:59.15 | kurtak | jm_: i have 1.2.5-5 but i need 1.2.7 |
| 13:59.15 | Wyzard | kurtak: Since the root filesystem is mounted read-only, shouldn't it be possible to just run fsck from a shell? |
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| 13:59.48 | dr1v3r | i will get onto the techies at the host and get them to have alook at it, dmesg will show any errors right? |
| 14:00.05 | michl_ | Hi dudes + dudesses. Just wanted to say Debian rocks ! Thanx all you great guys. |
| 14:00.05 | jm_ | kurtak: read config.log |
| 14:00.11 | kurtak | Wyzard: what does fsck have to do with my problem? |
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| 14:00.41 | Wyzard | kurtak: oops... sorry, I mixed up your message with the one just before it |
| 14:00.53 | Wyzard | tralala: kurtak: Since the root filesystem is mounted read-only, shouldn't it be possible to just run fsck from a shell? |
| 14:00.57 | Wyzard | gah |
| 14:01.00 | jm_ | :) |
| 14:01.04 | Wyzard | sorry kurtak :-) |
| 14:01.43 | Wyzard | kurtak: Out of curiosity, why do you need 1.2.7? |
| 14:01.44 | tralala | Wyzard: err... could be. I've never done that. |
| 14:02.22 | Wyzard | tralala: Running fsck on the root filesystem while it's mounted read-only is the same thing the startup scripts normally do |
| 14:02.26 | kurtak | jm_: In the log it says basically the same as the output: "configure 2092: checking for gcc ... result: no" |
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| 14:02.44 | tralala | Wyzard: well, you better tell that to dr1v3r then :) |
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| 14:03.23 | tralala | kurtak: well, the first thing you need to compile _anything_ is a compiler imo |
| 14:03.28 | piaf_ | hi there |
| 14:03.30 | Wyzard | dr1v3r: You could run fsck on the root filesystem from your SSH shell, and fix any problems it finds, before you reboot... then, hopefully, it should come up without errors after the reboot, without requiring any console access |
| 14:03.50 | matteo | Deadline for amendments to the GR |
| 14:03.52 | piaf_ | i've got a problem with my laptop and xorg on sid |
| 14:03.53 | matteo | what is GR? |
| 14:04.11 | kurtak | Wyzard: i'm not sure exactly, i'm just starting on a project with someone and he said i needed this version |
| 14:04.25 | piaf_ | how am i supposed to make my ATI card function ? |
| 14:04.28 | kurtak | tralala: well i just installed gcc w/ apt-get |
| 14:04.30 | j_k__ | matteo: a General Resolution, voted by debian developers |
| 14:04.35 | jm_ | kurtak: you should also see the actual test somewhere, otherwise use sh -x |
| 14:04.45 | piaf_ | the fglrx driver is not working with Xorg 7 |
| 14:05.19 | piaf_ | yo j_k__ |
| 14:05.34 | Wyzard | kurtak: "apt-get build-essential" will install the set of tools you need... it's not just GCC |
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| 14:05.44 | j_k__ | piaf_: you should join #patcod. |
| 14:05.55 | Wyzard | kurtak: but I'd suggest not installing a non-packaged version of something unless you're really sure the packaged one won't work |
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| 14:06.21 | phycho | hey guys |
| 14:06.25 | phycho | is security.debian.org down? |
| 14:06.26 | netman1 | Last few days, on newly installed and updated systems, sudo bash messes up my environment (sudo bash unset's HOME, reset's PS1, unset's SSH_*) . Has there been a systemwide change that can cause this? |
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| 14:06.37 | phycho | 28% [Connecting to security.debian.org (194.109.137.218)] |
| 14:06.46 | phycho | just sits there |
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| 14:07.23 | NichtMuede | Hi guys. |
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| 14:07.53 | Wyzard | kurtak: You'll need to install libsigc++1.2-dev to be able to compile things which use libsigc++ |
| 14:07.54 | orjan | I have an old server that boots without keyboard and screen, most I've seen requires at least keyboard. I have to get a new box, what is the akronym or name for "to be able to boot withou keyboard"? |
| 14:08.08 | pabs3 | anyone know of a daemon to replace locate/updatedb? |
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| 14:08.16 | flapane | hi anyone? |
| 14:08.21 | flapane | i need help with a .deb kernel |
| 14:08.22 | NichtMuede | I got a lot of "[sshd] Illegal user" entries in auth.log. I would like to increase the waiting time after an unsuccessful login attempt. How can I do that? |
| 14:08.27 | netman1 | orjan : server ? ;-) |
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| 14:08.32 | Brian_L | orjan: it depands on bios |
| 14:08.44 | kurtak | Wyzard: Ok, that's righit |
| 14:08.53 | flapane | ne1 |
| 14:08.55 | orjan | Brian_L: ok any brand that use to work? |
| 14:08.57 | piaf_ | no one with sid and a non working xorg here ? |
| 14:09.08 | flapane | i need help with a .deb kernel |
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| 14:09.14 | jm_ | orjan: any modern BIOS has an option imilar to "halt on all errors/all but keyboard/..." |
| 14:09.15 | flapane | didn't understood well how to work |
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| 14:09.43 | orjan | jm_: Brian_L ok Thanks |
| 14:09.57 | NichtMuede | I am running Debian Sarge BTW... |
| 14:09.57 | Matt-H | !tell flapane about ask |
| 14:10.02 | pabs3 | NichtMuede: did you read the sshd_config manual page? |
| 14:10.05 | Neverth | NichtMuede, /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:10.24 | flapane | thanks matt |
| 14:10.26 | NichtMuede | pabs3: Yes. I searched for seconds. But I wasn't successful. |
| 14:10.28 | flapane | xcuse me 1st time here |
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| 14:10.34 | netman1 | NichMuede: As far as I can tell you'll have to dig into iptables... |
| 14:10.42 | flapane | well i heard that it's very easy to compile the kernel with deb packages |
| 14:10.44 | flapane | i need it because |
| 14:10.49 | flapane | i have to activate cool&quiet |
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| 14:10.53 | phycho | what crypto scheme does debian use by default? |
| 14:10.57 | flapane | so i have to activate the acpi, right? |
| 14:11.01 | flapane | but... |
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| 14:11.04 | flapane | how to use it? |
| 14:11.13 | flapane | make -kpkg etc etc |
| 14:11.17 | flapane | and after? |
| 14:11.28 | Wyzard | flapane: Debian's precompiled kernels already have ACPI enabled... is there some special ACPI driver you need? |
| 14:11.44 | flapane | wyzard i need to activate cool&quiet for a64 |
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| 14:11.51 | NichtMuede | netman1: Iptables? That box isn't the router / firewall. It is just a box in the DMZ which exposes port 22 to the rest of the world... |
| 14:11.53 | flapane | and they told me that i have to ativate acpi |
| 14:12.06 | flapane | and in fact in my options it says: acpi is not actiated |
| 14:12.12 | flapane | activated |
| 14:12.13 | KALASH | WTF |
| 14:12.16 | jm_ | Cool&Quiet doesn't need ACPI, it needs CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8 |
| 14:12.18 | KALASH | webmin gone from debian ? |
| 14:12.36 | flapane | jm_ but for inserting this module |
| 14:12.39 | xored | jm_: it didnt worked |
| 14:12.42 | flapane | i have to recompile the kernel right? |
| 14:12.47 | flapane | mm |
| 14:12.50 | flapane | so what do i need |
| 14:12.52 | flapane | for c&q |
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| 14:13.06 | xored | i mounted with root(hd0,8) the boot partition for the kernel |
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| 14:13.14 | jm_ | flapane: grep CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8 /boot/config* |
| 14:13.17 | RichiH | i upgraded to kde 3.5.1 and my keyboard layout selection button is in the upper left instead of in ksysbar.. anyone else have this, too? |
| 14:13.27 | kurtak | I don't need to uninstall libsigc++-1.2.5 before installing 1.2.7 do I? |
| 14:13.33 | flapane | i use this command from root jm_? |
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| 14:13.46 | xored | jm_: then kernel /boot/vmlinu root=/dev/hde9 |
| 14:13.50 | xored | jm_: boot |
| 14:13.54 | jm_ | flapane: doesn't matter |
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| 14:14.03 | xored | jm_: but he still cannot mount the root |
| 14:14.10 | flapane | jm |
| 14:14.13 | jm_ | xored: and? |
| 14:14.13 | flapane | /boot/config-2.6.12-10-amd64-generic:CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8=m |
| 14:14.13 | flapane | /boot/config-2.6.12-10-amd64-generic:CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8_ACPI=y |
| 14:14.14 | flapane | /boot/config-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic:CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8=m |
| 14:14.14 | flapane | /boot/config-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic:CONFIG_X86_POWERNOW_K8_ACPI=y |
| 14:14.14 | flapane | root@a64:/home/flapane# |
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| 14:14.22 | jm_ | for fucks sake |
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| 14:14.27 | Wyzard | kurtak: If you install 1.2.7, put it in /usr/local... don't put it in /usr where it'll overwrite the stuff from the 1.2.5 package |
| 14:14.31 | flapane | so it seems to work |
| 14:14.38 | jm_ | so load the module ... |
| 14:14.42 | xored | jm_: what can i do ? i mountetd /hd0,9 before, and thats my root partition |
| 14:14.50 | nixie | flapane: NEVER paste in here. |
| 14:14.53 | j_k__ | xored: note that the grub root is independent from the kernel one. |
| 14:14.53 | flapane | modprobe, right? |
| 14:14.56 | flapane | nixie didn't know, ok |
| 14:14.57 | Wyzard | flapane: So C&Q is already enabled in the precompiled kernel you're currently using... see if you can "modprobe powernow-k8" |
| 14:15.07 | flapane | ok wizard, thanks |
| 14:15.09 | flapane | let's try |
| 14:15.23 | xored | j_k__: i cannot mount the root partionios, not the KERNEL root, i get a kernel panic.. |
| 14:15.25 | flapane | it says |
| 14:15.27 | flapane | fatal error |
| 14:15.37 | jm_ | xored: what does kernel say? |
| 14:15.41 | flapane | in cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko |
| 14:15.43 | flapane | no such device |
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| 14:15.56 | xored | kernel panic, could not moutn root partion |
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| 14:16.07 | jm_ | xored: did it detect the disk? |
| 14:16.10 | flapane | error inserting powernow_k8 in /lib/modules etc etc |
| 14:16.17 | nixie | is noatime the only good performance mounttime option for ext3 (desktop system), or are there others? |
| 14:16.17 | jm_ | please address me in your replies or I won'y help you |
| 14:16.29 | xored | jm_: can i slowdon the boot proccess ? |
| 14:16.30 | flapane | jm_ : it didn't work |
| 14:16.50 | jm_ | flapane: so perhaps your CPU doesn't have it |
| 14:16.52 | flapane | jm_: it says error inserting powernow_k8 in /lib/modules/2.6.12 etc etc |
| 14:16.52 | xored | jm_: ok, sorry |
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| 14:17.04 | Wyzard | flapane: That message normally means the driver couldn't find any hardware it supports... in other words, your system might not actually support C&Q |
| 14:17.05 | flapane | jm_: i use this a64 at 2.4ghz from 1year |
| 14:17.10 | Wyzard | flapane: Or it could be a driver bug or something |
| 14:17.15 | jm_ | flapane: mine says powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.50.4) |
| 14:17.24 | flapane | incredible |
| 14:17.27 | Wyzard | flapane: But you don't need to recompile the kernel -- the driver is already compiled |
| 14:17.29 | j_k__ | xored: you wrote 'root=/dev/hde9' above, was 'e' in hde a typo ? |
| 14:17.29 | flapane | what could it be |
| 14:17.38 | jm_ | xored: no, but you can choose higher resolution to see more text on screen |
| 14:17.46 | flapane | yes wizard but...why it says no such device |
| 14:17.50 | flapane | incredible |
| 14:18.06 | jm_ | it might be it's because kernel has support for powernow k8 ACPI |
| 14:18.06 | Wyzard | flapane: I have no idea about that... I don't even own a K8 myself |
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| 14:18.21 | kurtak | Wyzard: thanks- checking out configure's help, it says the default prefix is /usr/local, so i should be okay there |
| 14:18.25 | flapane | jm_ : so it would be ok, no? |
| 14:18.36 | flapane | maybe there's some place where to say: this is an a 64 |
| 14:18.40 | jm_ | flapane: I don't know, I use non-ACPI solution |
| 14:18.49 | Wyzard | kurtak: I'd really recommend not compiling 1.2.7 unless you actually know that 1.2.5 won't work |
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| 14:18.53 | kurtak | So basically, there's just no GCC env. var. and no gcc symlink to my gcc-x.x |
| 14:18.54 | xored | j_k__: iam upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6, on 2.4 hde was my hd0, with hde9 as root partion (ext3) |
| 14:19.06 | jm_ | xored: is this a sata disk? |
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| 14:19.46 | xored | jm_: no, i know this error with SATAT( renamin hde to sde etc) i had this on my laptiop. This is a ATA promise 20268 controller with an HDD |
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| 14:19.57 | Wyzard | kurtak: Installing non-packaged stuff, especially when it "overrides" an existing package, leads quickly to subtle problems if you don't manage it carefully |
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| 14:20.14 | nixie | xored: how many harddisks in your system? |
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| 14:20.31 | flapane | jm_ : the problem could be this: in acpi in the control panel it says: your pc seems to have a partial acpi install, you need to enable ac adaptor and then rebuild your kernel |
| 14:20.32 | capitol | hi i'm having some problems with an amd64 motherboard, h8dce, the NIC's doesn't show up when i do lspci |
| 14:20.34 | jm_ | xored: ok then you simply need to check kernel output to find out why it can't mount it |
| 14:20.44 | capitol | and i cant get them to work |
| 14:20.45 | xored | nixie: nothing on the onboard IDE controller, on on the promise ( normaly too, but after installing the system) |
| 14:20.51 | jm_ | flapane: Debian kernels have ACPI enabled, just load the modules |
| 14:20.55 | gnomefreak | can someone give me a hand setting up postfix during install |
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| 14:21.01 | nixie | xored: then why isnt it just hda9 then? |
| 14:21.04 | jm_ | capitol: run update-pciids |
| 14:21.05 | abrotman | gnomefreak: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 14:21.06 | xored | jm_: ok, where can i find this outout ? |
| 14:21.10 | flapane | jm_ : how can i know their names |
| 14:21.12 | jm_ | xored: on your screen? |
| 14:21.13 | xored | nixie: do not ask me that, ask 2.4 |
| 14:21.19 | gnomefreak | when it asks for mail name what do i put there anything i want or some needs to go there? |
| 14:21.23 | xored | jm_: ok, ill try |
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| 14:21.29 | abrotman | gnomefreak: is it a real mail server? |
| 14:21.41 | jm_ | flapane: ls /lib/modules/.../acpi |
| 14:21.49 | flapane | thanks |
| 14:21.52 | gnomefreak | i dont think so :( |
| 14:22.05 | abrotman | you don't know if it's a real mail server? |
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| 14:22.13 | capitol | jm_: hmm thanks, as soon as i get the network up then |
| 14:22.30 | jm_ | capitol: you can easily copy it from somewhere else ... |
| 14:22.33 | gnomefreak | abrotman: do you mean if i want to get my gmail through postfix? |
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| 14:22.51 | Jacky^ | hi |
| 14:22.53 | gnomefreak | abrotman: this is very very new to me |
| 14:23.01 | xored | nixie: but thats exactly what i tryied to say before. Now i have hde, i think 2.4 counts the IDE controllers, first 2 prim hda, hdab, secon 2 hdc, hdd. then the promise prima hde[fits in, its the master on prim) and so on |
| 14:23.09 | capitol | jm_: hmm yes, thanks |
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| 14:23.14 | abrotman | gnomefreak: postfix is a mail server .. like exchange .. but it works .. |
| 14:23.19 | dusty- | Anyone here running Debian Unstable (sid) and Azureus under GNome 2.12 ? |
| 14:23.19 | flapane | jm_ : i can see 17 names in that directory |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | !mta |
| 14:23.20 | dpkg | mta is probably a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 14:23.38 | roxfiler | after a dist-upgrade (and upgrading from xfree86 to xorg) truetype fonts dont works... ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale results many errors like: sh: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/large/gb18030.2000-1.enc: file or directory not found. how can i do fix it? |
| 14:23.52 | Jacky^ | tralala: I did mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686 and reboot, but DMA it always off :/ |
| 14:23.52 | xored | nixie: just if we see the Primary / sekundary master/slave on the onboard conroller, we get to hdd |
| 14:23.54 | jm_ | or simply use lspci -n and find the info on-line, AMD64 motherboards differ a lot in what NIC-s they have on-board |
| 14:24.05 | jm_ | flapane: so you can count to 17, nice |
| 14:24.25 | flapane | jm_ : yes my teacher's gonna teach me til 20 tomorrow.... |
| 14:24.25 | xored | nixie: then We start With the primary master on the promise controller, and thats hde, and thats where my hdd is on |
| 14:24.33 | flapane | jm_ : i am speaking seriously |
| 14:24.34 | Jacky^ | tralala: the chipset should be SIS5513, loaded as Permanent |
| 14:24.40 | Jacky^ | aby idea ? |
| 14:24.42 | Jacky^ | any |
| 14:24.43 | jm_ | flapane: me too |
| 14:24.43 | gnomefreak | abrotman: transfer agent meaning it grabs emails from other boxes and sends them to you? sort of like thunderbird? (in way it works) |
| 14:24.44 | xored | nixie: does 2.6 change that maybe ? |
| 14:24.49 | abrotman | gnomefreak: what does postfix have to do with getting email from gmail? |
| 14:24.59 | flapane | jm_ : ok thanks for help......... |
| 14:25.00 | abrotman | gnomefreak: no .. the closest thing to that would be fetchmail |
| 14:25.00 | jm_ | xored: there's an option I mentioned earleir related to this |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | unless you want to process it |
| 14:25.05 | jm_ | earlier* |
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| 14:25.10 | abrotman | !fetchmail |
| 14:25.10 | dpkg | hmm... fetchmail is ESR's pet POP/IMAP client. It fetches mail from the server then hands it over to the local mda. or a tool that can use ESMTP ETRN extension or most frequently broken by not having a working MTA on the local machine. or most frequently fixed by reading the fetchmail manpage. |
| 14:25.15 | xored | jm_: this means :) ? |
| 14:25.46 | jm_ | xored: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD |
| 14:25.57 | gnomefreak | abrotman: for bug reports they require sendmail account so someone told me to use postfix instead |
| 14:26.00 | tralala | Jacky^: yes, you didn't actually put the driver to be loaded first. |
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| 14:26.10 | roxfiler | after a dist-upgrade (and upgrading from xfree86 to xorg) truetype fonts dont works... ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale results many errors like: sh: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/large/gb18030.2000-1.enc: file or directory not found. how can i do fix it? |
| 14:26.16 | abrotman | gnomefreak: ah .. you're going through all this to use reportbug ? |
| 14:26.23 | gnomefreak | lol yes |
| 14:26.23 | xored | jm_: this means :) ? |
| 14:26.26 | tralala | Jacky^: read the manual and see the part that explains how to add modules to the image. |
| 14:26.30 | jm_ | xored: read the help for this option |
| 14:26.36 | xored | ok |
| 14:26.49 | abrotman | gnomefreak: but exim would have already been setup i think |
| 14:26.55 | Jacky^ | tralala: should SIS5513 be loaded before of ide-disk ? |
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| 14:27.08 | abrotman | why would someone tell you to install postfix just to use reportbug |
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| 14:27.20 | pawdro | can i somehow convert mdf to iso? |
| 14:27.25 | gnomefreak | abrotman: i dont know |
| 14:27.28 | nixie | hmm, under what circumstances is 'noatime' a *really* bad idea? as in webservers? mailservers? |
| 14:27.45 | abrotman | gnomefreak: anyways .. |
| 14:27.50 | gnomefreak | exim wont run from term so im thinking its not installed |
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| 14:27.55 | tralala | Jacky^: yes, before any other ide modules |
| 14:28.08 | Jacky^ | tralala: thanks |
| 14:28.12 | gnomefreak | abrotman: lets go with easiest to set up? |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | gnomefreak: put in whatever you want .. it's obviously not a real mail server .. and you should actually be using postfix with a smart host .. exim is probably easiest to configure for something simple like this |
| 14:28.45 | xored | jm_: hmm but i have this deactivated right now, so it hosuld boot right now with hde, as i understood it |
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| 14:28.49 | tralala | Jacky^: actually the file that is needed is empty - you only need to add your driver there. All the other needed modules will be added by default. |
| 14:28.57 | jm_ | xored: right, I only mentioned it to verify it's off |
| 14:29.07 | xored | it is off |
| 14:29.14 | xored | jm_: it is off |
| 14:29.15 | gnomefreak | i think i will install exim than is there a guide to setting exim up? |
| 14:29.20 | jm_ | xored: so you said |
| 14:29.20 | tralala | Jacky^: iirc it is /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 14:29.41 | Jacky^ | tralala: found it, ty |
| 14:29.58 | xored | jm_: so whats my next steps. As you said, booting and look, wheater he could detect the IDE ? |
| 14:30.14 | jm_ | xored: right, it should list your disk |
| 14:30.26 | flapane | anyone activated atholn64 cool&quiet? |
| 14:31.00 | tralala | flapane: there is #debian-amd64. You might get better help there. |
| 14:31.07 | xored | jm_: just alast question. In my Kernel CFg, promise controller are build in as a module, and i cannot BUILD in them. So as i boot without inird, it will not detect my HDDs or ? |
| 14:31.12 | flapane | thanks tralala |
| 14:31.19 | nixie | xored: correct |
| 14:31.34 | jm_ | xored: yes, if you can't compile them statically, you will need an initrd to laod them before / is mounted - that is your problem |
| 14:31.56 | stew | xored: why can't you build them in statically? |
| 14:32.17 | abrotman | gnomefreak: it's pretty easy to setup |
| 14:32.17 | xored | stew: i just cannot take this option under menucoinfig |
| 14:32.18 | stew | abrotman: uhhh, have you checked planet? |
| 14:32.25 | xored | stew: should i do it manuall in the .config? |
| 14:32.30 | jm_ | xored: which driver is this? |
| 14:32.40 | xored | promise 20268 |
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| 14:32.49 | jm_ | I can compile it statitcally |
| 14:32.57 | jm_ | make sure all the options under ATAPI are marked as * not M |
| 14:32.57 | abrotman | stew: damog? |
| 14:33.00 | roxfiler | after a dist-upgrade (and upgrading from xfree86 to xorg) truetype fonts dont works... ttmkfdir -o fonts.scale results many errors like: sh: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/large/gb18030.2000-1.enc: file or directory not found. how can i do fix it? |
| 14:33.01 | stew | xored: you can't compile it in becuase something it depends on is already a module, porbably generic ide, so change ide from M to * and try promise again |
| 14:33.04 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:33.07 | jm_ | indeed |
| 14:33.07 | gnomefreak | its asking me what i want right now 1-5 im thinking internetsite option :( |
| 14:33.13 | abrotman | stew: my real question .. did he spam #-devel and -devel ML(or even -private) |
| 14:33.13 | xored | ok |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | stew: i saw |
| 14:33.17 | xored | stew: ill check |
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| 14:33.33 | abrotman | stew: i don't sit in #-devel .. so i wouldn't have noticed |
| 14:33.42 | kurtak | Ok, now when i try to ./configure, the output says gcc can't make executables, so i look at the log, and /usr/bin/ld is trying to use crt1.o, which i don't have. all i have similar to that is crtbegin.o and crtend.o. Is there any other package i need that gives me crt1.0, or is there something else i can do to fix this? |
| 14:33.43 | abrotman | why is vin` not takatumi anymore ? |
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| 14:33.54 | abrotman | stew: do you sit in #-devel ? |
| 14:34.03 | stew | abrotman: can't speak for -private, but no on the other two |
| 14:34.09 | stew | yeah |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | stew: nothing in lastlog .. hrm .. ok |
| 14:34.34 | azeem | I've only seen it in planet |
| 14:34.38 | xored | stew: you were right, i had the enhanced IDE as a moulde... |
| 14:34.40 | azeem | eh, on |
| 14:34.49 | abrotman | azeem: and here last night .. late |
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| 14:34.53 | xored | stew: my third kernel now, hopefully iam learing it for now :) |
| 14:35.15 | xored | jm_: thank you very much |
| 14:35.18 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, well, I didn't follow much, I had to prepare a presentatin for today |
| 14:35.18 | abrotman | stew: i'd have to get the whole thing approved .. that's 10 days roughly |
| 14:35.22 | xored | nixie: you also, thanky for your time |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | azeem: you dirty .. worker! |
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| 14:36.35 | SerajewelKS | for mono, what package is the System.Drawing namespace packaged in? |
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| 14:36.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: #debian-mono |
| 14:37.10 | abrotman | azeem: anything good .. or just work related ? |
| 14:37.15 | abrotman | wait .. maybe work related is good |
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| 14:38.13 | azeem | abrotman: work related |
| 14:38.17 | nixie | ooh yeah, amd64 sid. 568 packages upgraded. gotta love it |
| 14:38.38 | azeem | yeah, sort of. At least it got me *doing* work over the last days |
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| 14:40.24 | abrotman | azeem: i .. think that's good |
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| 14:40.35 | Brian_L | cd #debian-64 |
| 14:40.40 | kurtak | Wyzard: I actually need to compile libsig because it needs to be compiled for a mobile device |
| 14:40.45 | abrotman | how about /join #debian-amd64 |
| 14:40.51 | Brian_L | i need sleep :P |
| 14:40.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: shouldn't you be at work ? |
| 14:40.52 | Brian_L | heh |
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| 14:41.18 | abrotman | !qotd159 is <Brian_L> cd #debian-64 |
| 14:41.18 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 14:41.47 | Brian_L | Should i feel special now? |
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| 14:42.22 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:42.22 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | Brian_L: you're in good company :)_ |
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| 14:43.01 | Brian_L | :) |
| 14:43.02 | Jacky^ | tralala: I added sis5513 in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and rebuilded the initrd image, but did non work .. dunno what i'm missing :( |
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| 14:43.16 | stew | Jacky^: which kernel version? |
| 14:43.37 | Jacky^ | stew: 2.6.14-2-686 |
| 14:43.44 | Jacky^ | can't turn DMA on |
| 14:43.54 | tralala | Jacky^: paste the output of dmesg somewhere |
| 14:44.02 | Jacky^ | ok .. |
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| 14:44.08 | stew | Jacky^: mkinitrd isn't used for .14 i don't think do you have yaird installed? |
| 14:44.12 | stew | Jacky^: do you run udev? |
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| 14:44.23 | Jacky^ | stew: dunno .. |
| 14:44.27 | stew | Jacky^: check... |
| 14:44.31 | Jacky^ | how can I see ? |
| 14:44.32 | kurtak | Wyzard: build-essential is what i needed! thanks so much |
| 14:44.40 | Jacky^ | it is a module ? |
| 14:44.48 | stew | Jacky^: dpkg -l yaird udev initramfs-tools |
| 14:45.00 | stew | Jacky^: no its a initial ramdisk tool, like mkinitrd |
| 14:45.03 | gamblastic | right, I feel I need to apologize for last night for my rudeness |
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| 14:45.14 | Jacky^ | stew: un udev <non definita> (descrizione non disponibile) |
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| 14:45.31 | stew | Jacky^: yaird? |
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| 14:45.42 | Jacky^ | stew: ii yaird |
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| 14:46.28 | stew | Jacky^: that is a known bug with yaird, check the bts for yaird, basically its putting ide_generic in your initrd before your actual ide controller, so ide_generic is taking full control and doesn't allow fancy stuff like dma |
| 14:47.08 | tralala | stew: he already tried to generate a different initrd, but something didn't work |
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| 14:47.27 | Jacky^ | ok .. a second .. |
| 14:47.47 | stew | tralala: yeah, he tried to generate a different initrd by editing the config files for the wrong initrd tool |
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| 14:47.57 | Jacky^ | I added sis5513 as fist line in /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 14:48.08 | stew | Jacky^: yes, but you aren't using mkinitrd, you are using yaird |
| 14:48.21 | Jacky^ | uhm .. |
| 14:48.59 | tralala | is mkinitrd yaird? |
| 14:49.09 | Jacky^ | then, could be a solution to remove yaird and force to use mkinitrd ? |
| 14:49.17 | stew | Jacky^: if you switch to initramfs-tools this would work first time, but that requires you to install udev, you can work (maybe) around this bug in yaird by reading the bug report and following the instructions in there (possibly substituting your ide chipset for whichever they are fixing in the bug) |
| 14:49.31 | stew | Jacky^: no, your choises are yaird or initramfs-tools |
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| 14:49.35 | stew | tralala: no |
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| 14:50.09 | tralala | but Jacky^ is using mkinitrd |
| 14:50.15 | gamblastic | how can I change the interface being used when debconf is running, it says can't initialise: Gnome, fall back to dialog |
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| 14:50.19 | tralala | aren't you Jacky^? |
| 14:50.38 | xored | stew: so i recompiled the kernel and booted it. He detects the promise controller, and mounts hde,hdef ( primary master/slvae) and hdg/hdh for the slave one. /dev/hde9 should be my root partition |
| 14:50.40 | stew | !dbugs 345374 |
| 14:50.43 | dpkg | #345374:N[yaird] yaird: Cannot turn DMA support for ide devices on; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:33:01 UTC |
| 14:50.48 | Dewi | Guys... I can't remember. Do I *have* to be in expert mode in sarge's installer to switch straight onto testing instead of stable? |
| 14:50.50 | xored | stew: but he did not mount it and failed in panic |
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| 14:51.38 | stew | xored: did you compile your root filesystem as a module or statically (ext3 probably?) |
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| 14:52.25 | tralala | stew: I had the same problem with my amd64. I solved it by making my own initrd image with mkinitrd and /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 14:52.37 | stew | tralala: which kernel version? |
| 14:52.53 | tralala | 2.6.8-somthing (from sarge) |
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| 14:52.56 | Woody^working | What good ways do I have to make my C-code appear highlighted in HTML code ? |
| 14:53.15 | stew | tralala: i don't think mkinird works with 2.6.{14,15,16} |
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| 14:53.21 | dr1v3r | i wish i had seen this earlier :'( |
| 14:53.22 | dr1v3r | <Wyzard> dr1v3r: You could run fsck on the root filesystem from your SSH shell, and fix any problems it finds, before you reboot... then, hopefully, it should come up without errors after the reboot, without requiring any console access |
| 14:53.31 | Woody^working | Or python or any code, but code highlighting is something I need now .... |
| 14:53.37 | dr1v3r | its now dead :( i rebooted and it aint come back online |
| 14:53.48 | tralala | stew: oh, I see... so there is this new yaird thingie that I haven't heard about! |
| 14:54.18 | ft | Woody^working: type ':so \$VIMRUNTIME/syntax/2html.vim' in vim |
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| 14:54.53 | tralala | dr1v3r: when you ask questions it's good to *actually* read the answers. Now you need to call your provider. |
| 14:55.13 | Woody^working | ft: I would like to have this on the webserver, not on the client. I have that allready with vim, but other people add their code and asked me to change it to highighting. |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | jjazz: will you be there tomorrow too ? |
| 14:55.21 | Dewi | How do I tell the debian installer to install etch instead of sarge? |
| 14:55.26 | Dewi | (do I need to be in expert mode?) |
| 14:55.27 | xored | stew: i have checked this before, its buld in ( ext3) |
| 14:55.32 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:55.32 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:55.47 | abrotman | Dewi: you could install sarge and upgrade of course |
| 14:55.50 | Dewi | abrotman: Whenever I follow those links I end up downloading an unstable installer and it doesn't work |
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| 14:56.01 | abrotman | it's the etch installer |
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| 14:56.09 | pengol | Is it possible to configure a package for a certain location (--prefix) and install it in another? |
| 14:56.12 | abrotman | first link is sarge .. second is etch |
| 14:56.13 | Woody^working | ft: You know a way how to do this ? |
| 14:56.24 | Dewi | abrotman: but the etch one is newer, less stable |
| 14:56.35 | abrotman | Dewi: duh .. it's still in development .. install sarge .. then upgraded |
| 14:56.37 | abrotman | upgrade |
| 14:56.38 | Jacky^ | stew: im having an issue also running yaird: yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 14:56.40 | Dewi | abrotman: I tried literally 3 of them about 5 months ago, and none of them installed to completion |
| 14:56.42 | Jacky^ | yaird error: could not open /usr/lib/yaird/conf/Templates.cfg (fatal) |
| 14:56.42 | Jacky^ | :( |
| 14:56.48 | xored | stew: i have ext2 and 3 build in |
| 14:56.59 | ft | Woody^working: vim -c ":syntax on" -c ":set ft=$filetype" -c ":so \$VIMRUNTIME/syntax/2html.vim" -c ":wqa" $file |
| 14:57.03 | limpio | Dewi: with the expert parameter you have a choice of stable, testing, or unstable to choose from |
| 14:57.13 | Dewi | abrotman: right. But isn't there a way to get the sarge installer to ask me about testing during install, so I don't get all this outdated base stuff when I'm going to immediately upgrade? |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | Dewi: see limpio |
| 14:57.28 | Woody^working | ft: Should I change all the html files with this command ? |
| 14:57.31 | abrotman | Dewi: there is a way .. but i thought it was from the BC .. but he says the expert will do it |
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| 14:58.04 | xored | stew: i dont need reiserFS, JFS and stuff or ? |
| 14:58.12 | Dewi | abrotman: expert makes me nervous, apart from that option. Oh well... I can always hit enter :) |
| 14:58.17 | ft | Woody^working: what do you mean? it's for turning code to html |
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| 14:58.18 | Dewi | abrotman / limpio : thanks for that |
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| 14:58.26 | limpio | np |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | i've only used the expert mode once |
| 14:58.48 | abrotman | and i was trying to install stable :) |
| 14:59.17 | Woody^working | ft: Sorry, maybe that is said wrong. |
| 14:59.29 | Dewi | abrotman: I used to use it, but I prefer a life of simplicity now. Except that I'm still on this occasion going to install testing at home. :P |
| 14:59.33 | ootput | i've hardly touched a debian installation cd (any) |
| 14:59.35 | gamblastic | how can I change the interface being used when debconf is running, it says can't initialise: Gnome, fall back to dialog |
| 14:59.41 | ootput | it was always knoppix & debootstrap |
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| 14:59.48 | Dewi | abrotman: I've got my fingers crossed that the worst days of etch instability are behind us |
| 14:59.58 | Woody^working | ft: I would like to post C-Code and the webserver takes it, highlightes it and puts it into the actuall HTML code. |
| 15:00.04 | abrotman | Dewi: don't count on it .. i assume xorg7 still has to go in |
| 15:00.44 | Dewi | abrotman: bah, X is broken anyway. |
| 15:01.06 | Dewi | abrotman: I'm running headless so it's VNC all the way, and X <-> VNC haven't been playing nice anyway |
| 15:01.07 | abrotman | in what ? |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | how is X broken? |
| 15:01.42 | ft | Woody^working: i know, the command i posted loads $file (eg. main.c) converts it to html and saves it as $file.html (main.c.html to stick with the example) |
| 15:01.44 | Dewi | basically if I run VNC on top of an actual xfree86 instance, it's horrendously slow, like 10 secs to draw the screen |
| 15:01.52 | xored | abrotman: could you help me ? Iam trying to switch form 2.4 to 2.6 and compiled a kernel. After finally build in ext, promise controller it should boot but files. I just tryied to rund cfdisk and he fails with an error message |
| 15:01.58 | ft | Woody^working: take a look at <http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/frank.terbeck/comp/data/fvwm/gen_menu_wallpapers.pl.html> |
| 15:02.12 | Dewi | and if I run the vnc's x server, I get random failures sometimes where the whole X environment just echos "display not found!" to the log and just dies |
| 15:02.22 | abrotman | xored: on sarge ? |
| 15:02.23 | ft | Woody^working: it's perl code, that's converted by that vim command... |
| 15:02.24 | xored | abrotman: bad logical partition9 : enlargeds logical partitions overlap |
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| 15:02.36 | xored | abrotman: debian sarge stable |
| 15:02.46 | abrotman | xored: the easiest way i've found is to install the sarge 2.6 kernel .. then compile your own |
| 15:02.49 | ft | Woody^working: works with everything that vim puts colors on |
| 15:02.57 | xored | abrotman: ok |
| 15:02.58 | Woody^working | ft: I know there is a vim to html parser or something like that. Do you know this ? |
| 15:03.15 | Dewi | abrotman: anyway it basically works okay for weeks or months and then suddenly decides not to run anymore for >2mins at a time. I'm praying this stops occurring soon; it's quite annoying. |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | xored: there are packages in sarge required for 2.6 but not for 2.4 |
| 15:03.29 | xored | but i had even problems installing the whole system with 2.6 cause he could not mount root then.. |
| 15:03.36 | xored | abrotman: i will try that right now |
| 15:03.43 | ft | Woody^working: erm, i guess that's the '2html.vim' I mentioned above... |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | xored: oh .. it's Promise RAID ? |
| 15:03.44 | Dewi | abrotman: but I'm reinstalling now so I'll see how it goes. brb... reboot into expert mode |
| 15:04.07 | xored | abrotman: no, no raid. Just a promise 20268, ATA 100 |
| 15:04.16 | Woody^working | ft: Well, is it in vim-common ? |
| 15:04.23 | abrotman | xored: and 2.6 just doesn't work ? |
| 15:04.34 | Woody^working | ft: I read about vim beeing able to do this, but I didn't know if it was put in a seperate package. |
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| 15:05.12 | ft | Woody^working: it's in vim-runtime |
| 15:05.23 | abrotman | /nick TerMIaL |
| 15:05.27 | ft | Woody^working: at least in sid.... |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | except i can't spell |
| 15:05.31 | Woody^working | ft: thanks |
| 15:05.33 | xored | abrotman: i wil try it again, right no |
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| 15:05.39 | Woody^working | ft: thanks very much :-) |
| 15:05.42 | abrotman | xored: did you check any bug reports ? |
| 15:05.46 | ft | ft: np |
| 15:05.54 | xored | abrotman: it cannot be |
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| 15:06.15 | xored | abrotman: i just reainstalled the whole system from debaina sarge stable / unstable mix to debian stable ( sarge |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 15:06.25 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 15:07.16 | xored | any idea abrotman ? |
| 15:07.28 | ootput | Woody^working: are you still interested in the script? |
| 15:07.39 | abrotman | xored: so the standard sarge 2.6 kernel does not work correct? |
| 15:07.48 | abrotman | xored: and it says it's because it can't find the hda ? |
| 15:07.54 | xored | abrotman: i works, i had rthe std kernel.. |
| 15:08.02 | Woody^working | ootput: In what script ? |
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| 15:08.26 | xored | abrotman: he finds the controller, promise the says, he mounts Prmary master to hde ( thats exactly my hd) |
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| 15:08.35 | ootput | Woody^working: conf 2 html |
| 15:08.37 | xored | abrotman: sorry for the bad spelling |
| 15:08.51 | Woody^working | ootput: Well I am looking at the script, yes. Why ? |
| 15:09.15 | xored | abrotman: so to summarize : I had the standard sarge stable kernel with that promise controller running before, but other libs where mixed, so i was advised to set up the whole system again |
| 15:09.52 | abrotman | which is a good idea probably |
| 15:10.02 | abrotman | xored: so if the standard 2.6 kernel works .. why are oyu compiling your own ? |
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| 15:10.35 | xored | abrotman: i want a clean, not overloaded kernel |
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| 15:11.21 | xored | abrotman: ipv6 disabled and all that. I just want to use it as a safe linux box for routeing, PII 450, no freaky stuff. so i dont need all the modules build in the standard kernel |
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| 15:11.26 | drp | I'm having some font issues ... whenever I try to open emacs I get the errors I'm about to post in #flood |
| 15:11.33 | abrotman | xored: but it works .. |
| 15:11.40 | abrotman | xored: working is better than fast :) |
| 15:11.45 | xored | abrotman: hehe |
| 15:11.46 | ootput | Woody^working: sorry, i thought you were interested in a perl script that created syntax-highlighted html snippets or full html files out of code |
| 15:11.57 | xored | abrotman: in addtion i just want to get "closer" to debain |
| 15:12.20 | xored | abrotman: as i wnat to switch my root-server in the future and iam not going to test "there" |
| 15:12.24 | Woody^working | ootput: no, don't need that, put np :-D |
| 15:12.34 | xored | abrotman: it should be a lesson too :) |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | root-server ? |
| 15:12.50 | drp | what packages do I need to install to fix those? |
| 15:13.23 | abrotman | drp: you sohuld wait until someone says they'll look before you paste :) |
| 15:13.37 | abrotman | drp: did you check the BTS? |
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| 15:13.43 | drp | abrotman: I just assumed a lot of people idles in #flood too |
| 15:13.51 | xored | abrotman: hmm its a german word i think. Iam admin of a hosted server. Do not knwo the exact word for that. Iam renting a server which is on 24/ |
| 15:13.56 | abrotman | drp: there are 800 here .. and what .. 120 in #flood ? |
| 15:14.03 | xored | abrotman: 24/7 |
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| 15:14.20 | abrotman | xored: a DNS server? .. or you just mean you want to switch your co-lo server to debian ? |
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| 15:15.35 | xored | abrotman: lets forget abnout it :) Iam renting a serer which runs suse9.1 ( it a web-server in generaly, and CVS ans stuff). i will switch it too, but i want to get closer to debian rigth now :) Iam running my himer-server on debian for 3 months now..just wnat to optimze it before i start with the new system on the other server |
| 15:15.43 | abrotman | ew! |
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| 15:15.55 | abrotman | hehe .. he said himer |
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| 15:16.04 | user__ | is ide_generic module, generic driver for dma etc? |
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| 15:16.06 | abrotman | xored: use sarge .. stick with sarge .. get used to it |
| 15:16.16 | xored | abrotman: iam on it :) |
| 15:16.17 | abrotman | xored: but get a 2.6 working on it |
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| 15:16.28 | xored | abrotman: thats what iam trying |
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| 15:16.38 | abrotman | xored: what is your CPU ? |
| 15:16.55 | xored | abrotman: here at home, the server has a PIII 450 |
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| 15:17.08 | abrotman | xored: so the package you'd want is kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 15:17.15 | xored | ok |
| 15:17.21 | xored | 686 ? |
| 15:17.22 | xored | ok |
| 15:17.25 | abrotman | !686 |
| 15:17.25 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
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| 15:18.44 | xored | abrotman: thank you, i will get some lunch before trying that again. Cu then |
| 15:18.50 | abrotman | ok .. |
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| 15:21.34 | mhall | i hate to ask this but is -em64t-p4 32-bit or 64-bit |
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| 15:22.47 | nicolavonthadden | hi |
| 15:22.59 | pink1 | How can I tell when an email was delivered without using receipts? |
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| 15:23.35 | abrotman | should be roughly the same time it was sent ?.. check your mail server logs |
| 15:23.36 | cisse | mhall: has to be 64 because em64 is the 64 extensions introduced to the p4 right ? |
| 15:23.38 | mhall | unless you 1337h4x the server your only choice is pixel tagging |
| 15:23.45 | abrotman | mhall: you'd think 64bit no ? |
| 15:23.51 | drp | abrotman: I looked in the bts and I see pretty much the same problem I'm having but I don't think there was an answer to it |
| 15:23.54 | mhall | cisse: but... it's possible to run an em64t chip in 32 mode |
| 15:24.11 | mhall | abrotman: then shouldn't it say that you need to use AMD64 debian to run that kernel |
| 15:24.14 | abrotman | drp: there may currently be no resolutnio .. i'm not an emacs user so i doubt i'd be much help |
| 15:24.29 | drp | abrotman: it's not unique to emacs |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | mhall: well ... no? .. i mean .. if you want to instlal an alpha kernel on your PPC machine .. go for it :) |
| 15:24.43 | drp | abrotman: I have similar font problems with xmms as well |
| 15:24.47 | abrotman | mhall: common sense ? |
| 15:24.50 | cisse | mhall: well why would you need a sep kernel for 32 bit mode ? |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:24.52 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
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| 15:24.57 | mhall | besides which em64t-p4 kernels show up in my apt-cache listing |
| 15:24.57 | abrotman | drp: where are you going to paste ? |
| 15:25.20 | drp | abrotman: wherever ... #flood or rafb.net |
| 15:25.28 | drp | #flood I gues |
| 15:25.33 | kspath | pink1: There is NO 100% sure way to ever know if an email was delivered unless you are admining the server that the email was delivered to. You would have to be content with your mail server logs showing it was delivered to recipients MTA. |
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| 15:25.39 | mhall | cisse: because on SPARC you have 32-bit and 64-bit kernels: ph34r: /boot/linux-2.6.15.1: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped |
| 15:25.54 | cisse | mhall: touche |
| 15:26.33 | pink1 | kspath: thanks - that's what I was afraid of |
| 15:26.59 | mhall | cisse: my guess is this: that the 32-bit kernel for em64t likely has some hacks to make more ram available that the non em64t kernels lack |
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| 15:27.14 | mhall | cisse: but this is just a theory |
| 15:27.19 | kspath | pink1: The same general issue is true of voice mail, faxes, postal mail, and others. You might be able to prove you sent it/ delivered it but you can never prove they viewed/listened to it and that it was viewable/audible. |
| 15:27.34 | cisse | mhall: i guess the question is how much does the p4 emt64 differ from the xeon emt64 |
| 15:27.49 | mhall | cisse: probably cache |
| 15:28.01 | pink1 | kspath: yes - but I want to know if it has arrived on the recipients machine - that's all |
| 15:28.04 | cisse | wouldn't need a new kernel, i ment instruction/register wise |
| 15:28.10 | pink1 | I realise that it's not possibelt o go further |
| 15:28.49 | mhall | cisse: you can't have more registers in a Xeon but you could have more invisible renamed registers |
| 15:28.50 | kspath | pink1: You should starting admining the recipients machine (meant in humour only) since there is a fair chance that they are not doing so. |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | !dbugs 322035 |
| 15:28.56 | dpkg | #322035:N[emacs21] emacs21: iso8859-1 font problem; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:03:02 UTC |
| 15:29.02 | mhall | cisse: however they tore a lot of that ugliness out in 64-bit mode |
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| 15:29.26 | mhall | cisse: you don't perform as much hardware fuckupage in 64-bit mode since you expose twice as many registers |
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| 15:29.34 | cisse | ah hrm |
| 15:29.49 | stew | mhall: s/as many/as wide/? |
| 15:29.51 | mhall | cisse: x86 cores are very weird |
| 15:29.54 | xored | abrotman : the kernel you advised me worked, iam booted it right now. So what could the problem with the self build ? Promuise 20268 is build in, ext3 is build in |
| 15:29.56 | pink1 | kspath: lol |
| 15:29.59 | cisse | mhall: yeah i've read a little on ars about them |
| 15:30.25 | mhall | stew: hmm not quite following which statement you patchz0r3d |
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| 15:30.55 | stew | mhall: i don't think 64 bit mote has twice as many registers |
| 15:31.02 | phycho | why does exim have to be bloody non-standard crap on debian |
| 15:31.03 | phycho | :@ |
| 15:31.05 | phycho | AARGH |
| 15:31.08 | phycho | im about pulling my hair out with it |
| 15:31.24 | abrotman | xored: you selected the wrong options |
| 15:31.39 | mhall | stew: it has more of them i'm pretty sure |
| 15:32.07 | cisse | mhall: package page says for p4 and xeon systems with em64t, no hyperthreading/smp support |
| 15:32.07 | stew | mhall: ok, i don't myself know |
| 15:32.16 | xored | abrotman : i mean it looks the same, promise detecting hde, mounting root at hde9, like in my kernel |
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| 15:32.35 | abrotman | xored: somethign is sufficiently different to cause it to fail |
| 15:32.36 | xored | ext3 is build in, abrotman |
| 15:32.38 | stew | xored: can't mount root is always one of 3 things: no driver for the disk controller, no driver for the filesystem, wrong partition |
| 15:32.42 | mhall | stew: "Additional registers: In addition to increasing the size of the general-purpose registers, their number is increased from 8 in x86-32 to 16." |
| 15:32.48 | abrotman | xored: there are numerous things it oculd be |
| 15:32.51 | mhall | cisse: ! |
| 15:33.03 | mhall | cisse: kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T SMP systems |
| 15:33.18 | xored | stew: yeah, surely sour rigthj. We can check the first thing, as promise loads the disk and gives me its device alia, i think the driver worrks ( |
| 15:33.18 | stew | mhall: ahh, ok, i just thought you were making a slip since clearly they are twice as wide |
| 15:33.21 | cisse | mhall: looked at non smp version |
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| 15:33.34 | xored | stew : filesystem is build in, but i think this could really be the problem |
| 15:33.37 | mhall | stew: that's one big reason 64 runs hugely quicker |
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| 15:33.42 | saftsack | hi |
| 15:33.50 | saftsack | are here some hylafax experts? |
| 15:33.56 | mhall | stew: if you have some fucked up weird algorithm you screw with the cache perhaps half as much |
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| 15:34.26 | mhall | stew: and your in-chip optimizer can make some more choices about the invisible re-assignment of non-interlinked uses of some register |
| 15:34.29 | abrotman | saftsack: just ask .. i have a hylafax server here .. but i wouldn't call myself an expert :) |
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| 15:34.39 | saftsack | abrotman ok :) |
| 15:34.42 | FlimFlamMan | which package is the "strings" command in? |
| 15:34.47 | stew | mhall: right, that makes sense |
| 15:34.52 | saftsack | i want to print my fax after sending it automatically |
| 15:34.52 | abrotman | !find bin/strings sarge |
| 15:34.57 | saftsack | is this possbile? |
| 15:35.04 | abrotman | saftsack: after sending or recieving ? |
| 15:35.10 | saftsack | sending |
| 15:35.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/strings' (3): (/usr/arm-palmos/bin/strings) in otherosfs/prc-tools-arm ;; (/usr/m68k-palmos/bin/strings) in otherosfs/prc-tools-m68k ;; (/usr/bin/strings) in devel/binutils,devel/binutils-multiarch. |
| 15:35.12 | cisse | mhall: not to mention increased ability to reduce branch miss penalty through preloading the other branch variables |
| 15:35.22 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:35.24 | stew | FlimFlamMan: binutils, in the future, you might use apt-file /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | saftsack: the FAQ covers how to do it after receiving .. i'd suspect it would be thesame for sending |
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| 15:35.49 | saftsack | do you mean doneq? |
| 15:36.12 | abrotman | saftsack: let me find it |
| 15:36.28 | saftsack | ok thanks because i cannot find something like printing |
| 15:36.59 | mhall | cisse: yeah, good call, that's also important |
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| 15:37.21 | mhall | cisse: not being a cpu architecture genius i frequently miss something |
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| 15:37.32 | abrotman | saftsack: http://www.hylafax.org/content/Automatically_print_incoming_faxes .. i would guess you could do something similar for sent faxes |
| 15:37.39 | saftsack | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 15:37.51 | cisse | mhall: eh just buy a few good boks |
| 15:37.55 | abrotman | saftsack: see if it makes sense before you do it :) |
| 15:38.05 | saftsack | and another question. after starting my hylafax daemon i have to do faxmodem as a command. should i do that in an extra startscript? |
| 15:38.07 | mhall | cisse: yeah but i could have taken it for essentially free |
| 15:38.13 | cisse | mhall: oh ? where at |
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| 15:38.24 | mhall | cisse: well i buy my .edu units in blocks |
| 15:38.39 | mhall | cisse: once you pass 9, any number costs same as taking max of 18 |
| 15:38.43 | hatake_kakashi | anyone happen to know of odd APIC error issues that does not appear via google searching? I have a gut feeling that it could be a motherboard issue.. or does anyone know of the Gigabyte Slot1 mobo? I think the model number is: GA-6BTD or something |
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| 15:38.53 | charlotte | hi whats up with security.debian.org |
| 15:38.58 | mhall | cisse: so if you ever had 14 or something, might as well use up the other 4 |
| 15:39.00 | abrotman | define "what's up" |
| 15:39.01 | charlotte | seems wery slow. |
| 15:39.09 | mhall | cisse: there were times i could have done that |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:39.13 | howcomes | Welcome to IRC where men are men, women are men, and kids are FBI Agents. |
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| 15:39.26 | cisse | mhall: totally, i had a decent comp arch class, but i learned more by reading the different cpu gurus on arstechnica and anandtech and such |
| 15:39.48 | charlotte | It fails to do security updates. |
| 15:39.54 | cusco | what are you howcomes ? |
| 15:39.56 | mhall | howcomes: funny part is, a past GF of mine was a something awful addict and had to post as a man because otherwise people got busy telling her she was one and ignored her posts |
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| 15:39.59 | charlotte | Is it owerloaded again? |
| 15:40.13 | mhall | cisse: ah |
| 15:40.13 | Gomo1 | Hi |
| 15:40.24 | cisse | lol addict |
| 15:40.25 | howcomes | i would fall under section a) men |
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| 15:40.47 | saftsack | abrotman: do you know an outgoing script? |
| 15:40.54 | Gomo1 | I just got the sources for 2.6.15.1 from kernel.org, and make menuconfig throws warnings about undefined symbols in sarge |
| 15:40.59 | mhall | i'm a lot from column (a) and not a damn thing from column (b) |
| 15:41.01 | abrotman | saftsack: ? do i know which script it is ? |
| 15:41.04 | Gomo1 | It this worrying? |
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| 15:41.21 | saftsack | abrotman: ? :) |
| 15:41.26 | abrotman | saftsack: moment |
| 15:41.26 | howcomes | I'm trying to post some of my pics to bmezine but its not working - says it cant verify filetype, tis gay |
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| 15:41.31 | saftsack | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 15:42.26 | cire | I am searching for a small java ide with focus on speed. I don't need that much plugins/tools etc. Do you know one? |
| 15:42.40 | cisse | why not just use eclipse ? |
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| 15:42.59 | cire | cisse: runs too slow on my PIII |
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| 15:43.06 | cisse | ah |
| 15:43.18 | Gomo1 | hmm |
| 15:43.24 | Gomo1 | lack of .config seems to cause this |
| 15:43.26 | stew | cisse: emacs + ecb / jde |
| 15:43.33 | stew | cire: ^^^ |
| 15:43.34 | cisse | stew: tell cire |
| 15:43.36 | cisse | lol |
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| 15:43.48 | abrotman | saftsack: i can't find anything .. try the hylafax mailing list .. there should be a way to do it |
| 15:43.56 | saftsack | ok thank you |
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| 15:44.19 | cire | stew: I tried it, but I cannot install it. Neither am I an expert nor a newbie. But I always get errors during compilation of elc files... |
| 15:44.30 | abrotman | saftsack: oh wait |
| 15:44.35 | saftsack | :) |
| 15:45.00 | stew | cire: with the debian pacakges? |
| 15:45.01 | abrotman | saftsack: i cannot be certain(and you sohuld email the list to verify) .. but try the notify script |
| 15:45.04 | cire | yes |
| 15:45.16 | stew | cire: checked the bts? there was a recent bug |
| 15:45.29 | saftsack | abrotman: ok i will do tthis |
| 15:45.31 | saftsack | thanks a lot :) |
| 15:45.35 | abrotman | have a good day |
| 15:45.40 | saftsack | thank you :) |
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| 15:45.50 | fabioFx | :) |
| 15:45.55 | saftsack | do you know the average respond time in the mailing list? |
| 15:46.10 | abrotman | saftsack: i haven't used it in years :) |
| 15:46.14 | cire | stew: first, there was a certain error while compiling. Then, a week later I deinstalled it to reinstall the new version. Now there's another error. |
| 15:46.22 | saftsack | ok thanks |
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| 15:46.54 | abrotman | i'd say the archives should give oyu a hint |
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| 15:47.12 | cire | this makes me angry, because I have to write a java project, and jde will fit my needs, I think. |
| 15:47.37 | mhall | cire: toughen up; what doesn't kill you makes you stronger |
| 15:47.44 | cire | but, okay, using unstable brings those things with it. |
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| 15:48.10 | mhall | cire: you do realize that you can install packages from stable right |
| 15:48.35 | fabioFx | I think too :) |
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| 15:48.40 | chrome | hi guys |
| 15:48.56 | cire | mhall: I didn't make good experiences with installing stable and testing packages in unstable |
| 15:48.58 | chrome | Is there a channel for help with Debian on sparc? |
| 15:49.02 | stew | cire: if you give me the exact errors you get, i'd try to help. have yoyu checked the bts? |
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| 15:49.18 | mhall | !tell chrome about ask |
| 15:49.25 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 15:49.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 15:49.26 | mhall | chrome: i'm a debian-sparc user since years |
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| 15:49.49 | cire | at the moment I'm checking the bts |
| 15:49.55 | chrome | Cool :) I'm trying to shoehorn debian onto a blade 1000 |
| 15:50.08 | mhall | chrome: this will only work with network install for now |
| 15:50.16 | poison | Hi all, my IF-MIB::ifInOctets stays on 361864 instead of counting the traffic that is going thru that interface. Any idea? Is there a bug reported? |
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| 15:50.18 | chrome | mhall: i get it to install, but at first boot, the kernel won't load with an 'Illegal instruction' |
| 15:50.20 | mhall | chrome: something is up with the boot loader and nobody has been able to figure it out yet |
| 15:50.27 | chrome | yeah I did a net install. |
| 15:50.39 | mhall | chrome: ok, then you get illegal instruction, shit |
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| 15:50.51 | chrome | yeah, poo :) Seen this before? |
| 15:51.05 | chrome | I used the nightly boot.img |
| 15:51.09 | cire | stew: the (first) error is located in jde-xref.el. |
| 15:51.20 | mhall | chrome: your best bet is reading http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/ and making a post if needed |
| 15:51.33 | chrome | mhall: sure, no worries. |
| 15:51.38 | mhall | chrome: because i heard of problems booting unless you netinst but not of kernel crashes afterward |
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| 15:51.51 | mhall | chrome: part of the problem is i only have ancient SPARCen |
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| 15:52.02 | mhall | chrome: i tried to score a Fire 280 but it didn't pan out |
| 15:52.05 | chrome | it could just be that I was trying to boot too new an image |
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| 15:52.26 | capitol | hi, i have an i386 system booting on my new amd64, and i would like to install a 64bit kernel, but when i try to install kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp mkinitrd complains that it can't find the boot image |
| 15:52.30 | mhall | chrome: perhaps somebody introduced a bug in the daily build. mos def *not* the first time that's occurred |
| 15:52.36 | drp | abrotman: no dice |
| 15:52.36 | phycho | how do i get debian to remove some packages _WITHOUT_ removing the dependancies? |
| 15:52.40 | phycho | its damned annoying |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | drp: i'm stumped |
| 15:52.46 | cire | stew: It would be nice if you could have a look at http://pastebin.com/532230 |
| 15:52.46 | phycho | i want to remove libmysql but dont want to remove exim! |
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| 15:52.54 | abrotman | drp: use vi! |
| 15:52.57 | mhall | phycho: you don't |
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| 15:53.02 | drp | abrotman: no way! |
| 15:53.05 | abrotman | drp: maybe regenerate your locales .. or reinstall fonts ? |
| 15:53.05 | mhall | phycho: because if you do, stuff gets broken |
| 15:53.09 | phycho | i dont car |
| 15:53.12 | phycho | *care |
| 15:53.12 | neuterspay | Anybody have a preferred FTP client? |
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| 15:53.16 | phycho | i still want to do it |
| 15:53.24 | phycho | i want to link libmysql against the newer version |
| 15:53.25 | drp | abrotman: do you know what the font package is called |
| 15:53.27 | mhall | phycho: then you need a package pin |
| 15:53.32 | nisc | neuterspay: ncftp |
| 15:53.34 | phycho | package pin? |
| 15:53.40 | abrotman | drp: apt-cache search fonts |
| 15:54.00 | neuterspay | nisc: How come? |
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| 15:54.21 | tiny | I have a bash script which I need to put somewhere so it starts up on boot. I've read about system run levels and init scripts but this is a bit overkill for this pathetic script. Is this the only way to start up scripts on debian(section 9.3 debian policy)? |
| 15:54.21 | chrome | mhall: its a little sad that sparc installs have been broken for like, 2 years. I remember having all these problems installing on an E250. |
| 15:54.28 | mhall | phycho: that's how you hack around package limits |
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| 15:54.33 | nisc | neuterspay: well I have been using it for years .. I'm used to it ;) |
| 15:54.42 | chrome | i remember gentoo is nowhere near this annoying.. |
| 15:54.46 | mhall | chrome: part of the problem is Pete Zaitcev and Dave Miller are MIA |
| 15:54.51 | phycho | ah k |
| 15:54.54 | tarzeau | neuterspay: lftp |
| 15:55.03 | gamblastic | when i start my pc now it says: /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 15:55.04 | gamblastic | :( |
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| 15:55.05 | chrome | mhall: aha, and those guys are the ones who sort out SILO et al? |
| 15:55.09 | mhall | chrome: but then if you run Gentoo, you'll never get X to work |
| 15:55.22 | azeem | chrome: benc does silo, AFAIK |
| 15:55.25 | mhall | chrome: it's pretty hard to compile in any reasonable amount of time |
| 15:55.30 | chrome | mhall: don't need X actually - just apache :) |
| 15:55.36 | icebit | hi all |
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| 15:55.43 | mhall | chrome: yeah maybe gentoo is a better pick then if it will boot |
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| 15:55.59 | chrome | mhall: i hate the (lack of) package management |
| 15:56.02 | mhall | chrome: but the Gentoo dev on our sparc list was involved in trying to kludge the bootloader back together, i though |
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| 15:56.07 | mhall | *thought* |
| 15:56.25 | azeem | is Sun using GRUB only on x86, btw? |
| 15:56.30 | poison | are there any problems known with snmpd and debian-amd64? My ifInOctets counter stays on 361864 instead of increasing |
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| 15:56.41 | mhall | chrome: my guess is, if you post on the list, Jurij Smakov might fix the daily build image |
| 15:56.56 | mhall | !tell poison about BTS |
| 15:56.57 | chrome | mhall: just gonna try the 'offical' image |
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| 15:57.04 | chrome | then if that doesnt work, I'll do that. |
| 15:57.12 | mhall | azeem: yes they quite using their loader because it's stupid |
| 15:57.15 | mhall | chrome: hold on |
| 15:57.34 | azeem | mhall: but they didn't get GRUB running on sparc, I assume? |
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| 15:57.44 | azeem | maybe they'll contribute a GRUB2 port |
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| 15:57.54 | mhall | chrome: try this |
| 15:57.58 | mhall | chrome: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-sparc/beta1/images/sparc64/netboot/ |
| 15:58.04 | mhall | azeem: i don't think they need to |
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| 15:58.16 | mhall | azeem: SPARC has Open PROM |
| 15:58.24 | chrome | will do |
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| 15:58.55 | mhall | chrome: that's a daily build which installs etch |
| 15:59.14 | mhall | chrome: and it's pretty stable while still decently new |
| 15:59.21 | chrome | mhall: ok, halfway through the october build, so I'll finish that first |
| 15:59.29 | chrome | it detected the FC disk which is nice :) |
| 15:59.54 | chrome | actually |
| 15:59.58 | chrome | thats the image I'm downloading! |
| 15:59.59 | mhall | chrome: sorry, i meant, a stable daily build that was picked as a beta of etch's installer |
| 16:00.05 | chrome | er, installing. |
| 16:00.14 | mhall | chrome: so it was t3h b0rk3d? |
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| 16:01.04 | mhall | when i get a job in a few months i'm dumping all my sparcs in favor of sun opterons or something else |
| 16:01.18 | Eulex | chrome, why not use the sarge installer? |
| 16:01.22 | chrome | mhall: will let you know in about ... 15 minutes ;) The first try was dated 30 jan, the one that I'm doing right now is the one you just linked to so we'll soon know. |
| 16:01.37 | azeem | Eulex: they are talking about sparc |
| 16:01.40 | mhall | chrome: yeah i have had bad luck in general with all the daily builds |
| 16:01.44 | mhall | chrome: sparc or non sparc |
| 16:01.53 | NOthsouth | can I remove all files from /var/log/* ? |
| 16:02.00 | chrome | Eulex: :) |
| 16:02.24 | Eulex | azeem & chrome, ah, sorry, I know nothing about sparc :) |
| 16:02.37 | fabioFx | N0ths: I think :) |
| 16:02.43 | NOthsouth | i mean, if I remove them, will these files be created again ? |
| 16:02.45 | mhall | Eulex: whatever things usually make sense, do the most fucked up opposite you think of, and that's linux on sparc |
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| 16:03.09 | Eulex | mhall, hehe |
| 16:03.16 | fabioFx | :) |
| 16:03.18 | tiny | Is it ok to put a custom shell script in /etc/inittab for it to start at boot time? |
| 16:03.23 | chrome | we dont get GRUB, for one thing. Which sucks. |
| 16:03.27 | mhall | Eulex: usually you expect stable is best, right? makes sense. not on sparc. |
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| 16:04.10 | neuterspay | exit |
| 16:04.19 | chrome | for example, the 2.4 netboot doesn't detect USB keyboards. >_< |
| 16:04.36 | fabioFx | quit |
| 16:04.36 | chrome | on sparc. |
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| 16:05.43 | mhall | oddly enough, for me, lilo works better than grub |
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| 16:06.32 | chrome | mhall: on x86, I'm a fan |
| 16:06.46 | doubleukay- | mhall, yes, that's my initials :) |
| 16:06.54 | pm_ | how can i block access to some websites in my local network without use a web proxy? |
| 16:06.54 | mhall | doubleukay-: haha |
| 16:07.10 | chrome | hmm |
| 16:07.20 | mhall | pm_: disable them |
| 16:07.21 | chrome | well, it retrieved and installed linux kernel 2.6 sparc64 |
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| 16:07.23 | doubleukay- | pm_, install "nanny" software |
| 16:07.26 | chrome | O_o |
| 16:07.31 | mhall | chrome: ok, now we pray |
| 16:07.34 | doubleukay- | on the client terminals. |
| 16:07.46 | chrome | just a few more packages |
| 16:07.53 | chrome | go baby go! |
| 16:07.56 | doubleukay- | mhall, not many immediately realize doubleukay = wk :) |
| 16:08.01 | pm_ | doubleukay- from the gateway. there is a way? |
| 16:08.09 | pm_ | mhall with iptables? or what? |
| 16:08.14 | mhall | doubleukay-: install windows on them, then they won't be able to access anything consistently |
| 16:08.18 | mhall | pm_: turn them off :-) |
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| 16:09.09 | mhall | doubleukay-: double-u is a real inelegant name for a letter |
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| 16:09.29 | mhall | doubleukay-: i can't help but think that every letter ought to be one syllable |
| 16:09.56 | doubleukay- | yes |
| 16:10.04 | doubleukay- | especially with the advent of the WWW |
| 16:10.17 | doubleukay- | makes for a difficult pronunciation of most websites :) |
| 16:10.18 | mhall | oh yeah, the worst thing to have to say |
| 16:10.22 | mhall | well time for class now |
| 16:10.23 | mhall | ttyl |
| 16:10.24 | chrome | bah |
| 16:10.27 | doubleukay- | cya mate |
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| 16:10.31 | chrome | stuck at uncompressing image... |
| 16:10.47 | ice_1963 | it's going to take a long time to get kde3.4 done |
| 16:12.22 | King_Brad | anyone know where i can get " vgetty " for the voicemail server in debian ? |
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| 16:12.58 | blaen | Running into the damnedest issue with configuring samba on a Win XP network. |
| 16:13.12 | blaen | For the life of me, I can't actually get it to recognize any accounts to actually use. ;p |
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| 16:15.33 | chrome | now it wont boot |
| 16:15.35 | chrome | gah |
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| 16:17.34 | abrotman | fix my fonts! |
| 16:17.40 | nisc | is there anything in the main tree which could be used to unpack rar files? |
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| 16:17.57 | abrotman | no |
| 16:17.58 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 16:17.58 | dpkg | methinks unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 16:18.05 | cisse | nisc: unc |
| 16:18.11 | nisc | !unrar-free |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | well, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
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| 16:18.29 | nisc | !unc |
| 16:18.35 | dpkg | from memory, unc is Universal Naming Convention or a m$ product or at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q160529/ (and http://network.wwc.edu/UNC.shtml if that page comes back online) |
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| 16:19.40 | ootput | msg |
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| 16:21.05 | abrotman | OT: do any of you have a PocketPC verizon phone ? |
| 16:22.04 | Amarande | Morning. |
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| 16:22.55 | Amarande | hmm ... is 7zip ported to Linux yet? I distinctly recall that having native support for RAR, since I used it on Windows to not have to get WinRAR. :) |
| 16:23.25 | overnout | 7zip ? |
| 16:23.36 | overnout | like 7up ? |
| 16:23.43 | bibe | Amarande : sid (and sarge backports) already have p7zip |
| 16:25.04 | doubleukay | anyone knows of a debian mirror which accepts ipv6 connections? |
| 16:25.14 | Amarande | overnout, 7zip is a relatively recent file compression utility that's supposed to be a free replacement for things like winzip, winrar etc. |
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| 16:25.20 | Amarande | and has multiple OS support. |
| 16:25.28 | abrotman | !find 7z sarge |
| 16:25.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of '7z' (2): (/usr/share/games/pysol/cardset-vienna-2k/{07z.gif|17z.gif}) in games/pysol ;; (/usr/share/games/pysol/cardset-1880-tarot/{07z.gif|17z.gif}, /usr/share/games/pysol/cardset-ukiyoe-fuji/{07z.gif|17z.gif}, /usr/share/games/pysol/cardset-vienna-tarock/{07z.gif|17z.gif}) in games/pysol-cardsets. |
| 16:25.50 | abrotman | that wsa useless |
| 16:25.51 | overnout | Amarande: ive found in the rep ... p7zip - 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio |
| 16:25.53 | abrotman | it's there somewhere |
| 16:26.09 | Amarande | by the way, why do I sometimes see some of my services bound to tcp6 instead of tcp? |
| 16:26.10 | Amarande | like identd |
| 16:26.27 | Amarande | but identd seems to still be fine with ipv4 connections too |
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| 16:26.41 | Amarande | tcp6 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN |
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| 16:27.36 | Amarande | anyway, time to pop out again and go to work. apparently i actually have to pay for this hardware. :) |
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| 16:34.16 | jetscreamer | help i can't mount my linspire cd under debian :) |
| 16:34.19 | oWo2002 | Hi! I'd like to know if there's a way to force usbmount recognize an already plugged usb hard drive at boot time... When i reboot, no more /media/usb mounted fs :\ |
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| 16:35.03 | jetscreamer | seriously though, wtf wouldn't it... borked medium maybe |
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| 16:36.28 | jetscreamer | aha. it's not udf or iso9660 |
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| 16:36.47 | jetscreamer | auto is a better choice for fstab it seems |
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| 16:41.12 | jjrojo | I need help for install Samsung SRP-350 thermal receipt printer, somebody can help me; please? |
| 16:41.16 | arrinmurr | i've tried to rtfm but haven't found whether there's a command for apt to show all the installed packages that have "something" in their name? |
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| 16:42.54 | pm_ | how can i see a remote machine name using its ip? |
| 16:43.06 | jetscreamer | dpkg --get-selections |grep -i <searchterm> |
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| 16:43.11 | redguy | jjrojo: have you checked www.linuxprinting.org yet? |
| 16:43.17 | jjrojo | yes |
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| 16:43.21 | oWo2002 | nslookup ip |
| 16:43.22 | stew | pm_: if you mean dns name, "host 1.2.3.4" |
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| 16:43.39 | oWo2002 | nslookup is deprecated, use host |
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| 16:43.49 | jjrojo | redguy: i see what securely work |
| 16:43.50 | pm_ | thanks |
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| 16:44.36 | arrinmurr | jetscreamer: thank you very much |
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| 16:45.01 | jjrojo | redguy: drivers not found yet |
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| 16:45.42 | jjrojo | redguy: like raw print plain text, but print not in openoffice |
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| 16:46.37 | KS70 | Could someone give me a hand today...My workstation won't boot because someone here gave me perhaps not 100% correct advice yesterday. |
| 16:47.07 | xbaez | what is the problem ? |
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| 16:47.36 | howcomes | anyone know why when i edit my /etc/hostname (and /etc/hosts) to the.something.or.other.etc.etc it only shows up root@the:~$ |
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| 16:48.09 | KS70 | Well, it started with trying to move from 2.4 to 2.6. I was told that devfs was getting in the way of the 2.6 boot and to uninstall it. Now I can't fix lilo, I can't boot either kernel, and I'm seriously under the gun for work. |
| 16:48.31 | redguy | jjrojo: sorry can't help you |
| 16:48.42 | jjrojo | i have drivers |
| 16:48.54 | howcomes | try installing grub :P |
| 16:49.01 | aethera_ | libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 16:49.02 | aethera_ | what package is that part of? |
| 16:49.08 | KS70 | I can't boot, therefore I can't install. |
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| 16:49.13 | howcomes | use a live cd |
| 16:49.32 | jjrojo | service samsung in spain delivery drivers |
| 16:49.38 | KS70 | I've got one, booted knoppix, chrooted to the drives, and lilo still won't run. |
| 16:49.43 | Thanatermesis | any person has MEMLEAK problems on the X of xorg ? |
| 16:49.52 | jjrojo | ppd, xml and some makefile |
| 16:49.53 | Nwallins | what happens to STDERR when piping programs in, say, bash? is there a proper way to handle it? |
| 16:50.00 | loggygreg | aethera_ dlocate libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 16:50.01 | jjrojo | but i believe don't work |
| 16:50.09 | jjrojo | for these i need help |
| 16:50.10 | howcomes | so long as device.map reads /dev/hda you should be able to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot whatever partitions are there....or so i think - im no guru, but ive done it |
| 16:50.36 | netman1 | Is "dpkg-query --show --showformat='${Package}\n' $(echo 'kernel-image-'$(uname -r))" a _reliable_ way to determine the running kernel's package name? |
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| 16:51.05 | aethera_ | loggygreg: it brings up nothing |
| 16:51.08 | KS70 | knoppix sets the drive as hde, whereas booting without knoppix has them at hda, so it doesn't know where to look. |
| 16:51.48 | aethera_ | You should have these libraries installed: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 16:51.55 | KS70 | however, grub is not a great immediate option. I just need a booting system, even if I have to just go back to 2.4. |
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| 16:52.13 | opnsrc | Is there a way to load a program in the terminal without the program depending on the terminal? |
| 16:52.14 | KS70 | And lilo DID work, so trying to add further complication is not a helpful thing. |
| 16:52.21 | opnsrc | I have nautilus |
| 16:53.06 | loggygreg | aethera_: bizar |
| 16:53.23 | aethera_ | loggygreg: what package contains it? |
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| 16:53.28 | netman1 | opnsrc: start the program in the terminal with & added at the end. |
| 16:53.41 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 16:53.44 | jjrojo | somebody can help to install samsung srp-350 thermal receipt printer? |
| 16:53.56 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so |
| 16:53.58 | jjrojo | please i really needed |
| 16:54.00 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so sarge |
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| 16:54.04 | KS70 | Someone help? I'm really quite desperate. It broke around 10am yesterday and people are breathing down my neck. |
| 16:54.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so' returned no results. |
| 16:54.19 | opnsrc | netman1 doesn't seem to work |
| 16:54.20 | aethera_ | errrr |
| 16:54.24 | aethera_ | thats sucks |
| 16:54.27 | opnsrc | or it doesn't seem to work * |
| 16:54.39 | aethera_ | !find libstdc++ sarge |
| 16:54.41 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (13): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic. |
| 16:55.07 | LinuxNIT-laptop | KS70, i would try downloading the bootable cd for grub and using it to boot your sysetm then install whatever bootloader you want from there |
| 16:55.11 | aethera_ | abrotman: Ia musing testing tho |
| 16:55.12 | LinuxNIT-laptop | but thats me |
| 16:55.20 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so etch |
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| 16:55.29 | netman1 | opensrc : what exactly are you trying to acomplish? Open a terminal window, start the program and close the terminal again and keep the program running? |
| 16:55.45 | opnsrc | netman1, it works for synaptic but not for gedit for some reason |
| 16:56.05 | pm_ | how can i block all users from accessing the folder AAA, and only allow the users members of the group GR_AAA? |
| 16:56.14 | opnsrc | Well when I load synaptic or gedit (with root user) I can't load it through the run command so I must use a terminal (so that I can type su first) |
| 16:56.18 | KS70 | LinuxNIT-laptop: I've got a bootable CD, but the chrooting doesn't seem to work right. I'll give it another shot. I'm completelty f'ing screwed if this doesn't boot up. |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | dpkg: work damn you |
| 16:56.19 | aethera_ | abrotman: lol it does not answer you |
| 16:56.20 | opnsrc | Then it leaves too many windows open |
| 16:56.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so' returned no results. |
| 16:56.26 | aethera_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.29 | aethera_ | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so etch |
| 16:56.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so' returned no results. |
| 16:56.40 | abrotman | aethera_: you're going to have to try a sarge package .. and prbably make use if ln -s |
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| 16:56.42 | abrotman | err of ln -s |
| 16:56.43 | opnsrc | I tend to move others to other desktops but still, I don't like things too cluttered |
| 16:56.48 | aethera_ | !find libstdc++ etch |
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| 16:57.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++' returned no results. |
| 16:57.09 | LinuxNIT-laptop | KS70, im not talking a live cd. you can download a bootable grub. that gives you the grub command line. from there you can truly boot you linux install. |
| 16:57.25 | netman1 | opensrc: Just tried gedit from gnome-terminal with the option &, it started, I closed the terminal and gedit keeps on running. |
| 16:57.38 | loggygreg | aethera_: I don't know what package is |
| 16:57.42 | opnsrc | I used xterm, let me try gedit |
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| 16:57.50 | opnsrc | I mean gnome-terminal * |
| 16:58.08 | KS70 | LinuxNIT-laptop: where from, and what do I do when using it? I don't know grub hardly at all. |
| 16:58.10 | opnsrc | nope, they both close |
| 16:58.22 | howcomes | grub is just a boot loader like lilo |
| 16:58.37 | opnsrc | thanks though |
| 16:58.41 | abrotman | not just like lilo |
| 16:58.47 | netman1 | opnsrc: Did the same with xterm. Keeps on running. |
| 16:58.48 | KS70 | yep, I know that much...just no experience with the grub commands. |
| 16:58.49 | abrotman | they have different abilities/restrictions |
| 16:58.59 | opnsrc | weird, I wonder why mine won't |
| 16:59.09 | opnsrc | Synaptic works fine though |
| 16:59.24 | howcomes | i was using LILO, but it broke so i installed grub |
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| 16:59.42 | opnsrc | Oh I see, I have to be root for it to work |
| 16:59.49 | netman1 | opnsrc: you probably have a systemwid or user related problem. Sorry wife calls, goto go to dinner. |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so' returned no results. |
| 16:59.59 | opnsrc | Thanks netman1 |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | use the freaking sarge package |
| 17:00.34 | abrotman | aethera_: is this for AIM ? |
| 17:00.39 | aethera_ | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/07/msg00723.html |
| 17:00.47 | pm_ | how can i block all users from RWX the folder AAA, and only allow the users members of the group GR_AAA? |
| 17:00.55 | aethera_ | abrotman: no its for NuSphere-phped-3.3.3evl-Linux |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | aethera_: is that you ? |
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| 17:01.10 | aethera_ | abrotman: nope |
| 17:01.14 | abrotman | aethera_: you'll need "libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2" and man ln |
| 17:01.15 | aethera_ | someone else posted it |
| 17:01.29 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
| 17:01.33 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 17:01.47 | abrotman | !find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so sarge |
| 17:01.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so' returned no results. |
| 17:02.13 | aethera_ | !find libstdc++ sarge |
| 17:02.14 | abrotman | ok .. i guess that is it .. you'll have to pray it works |
| 17:02.15 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (13): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic. |
| 17:02.25 | abrotman | or get a newer version .. that's really freaking old if sarge doesn't even have it |
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| 17:02.40 | aethera_ | abrotman: this is the only version of phped |
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| 17:02.41 | aethera_ | :( |
| 17:02.48 | blind | hi! |
| 17:02.50 | abrotman | oh .. then use a different editor ? |
| 17:03.01 | aethera_ | abrotman: erm phped is really nice |
| 17:03.06 | aethera_ | I could posible try send |
| 17:03.08 | abrotman | aethera_: bluefish? nvu? eclipse? anjuta? |
| 17:03.10 | aethera_ | zend even |
| 17:03.32 | abrotman | i'd use anjuta or bluefish or eclipse probably |
| 17:03.33 | Zvpun | how can one create a 1GB large file using dd? |
| 17:03.38 | blind | someone can help me? |
| 17:03.42 | aethera_ | abrotman: the phped has code completion |
| 17:03.52 | abrotman | dd of=yourfile if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=1024 |
| 17:03.56 | abrotman | so does eclipse .. and anjuta |
| 17:03.58 | abrotman | i think |
| 17:04.08 | Rawplayer | RE |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | Zvpun: make sense ? |
| 17:04.13 | aethera_ | abrotman: not for php |
| 17:04.20 | abrotman | aethera_: it does for eclipse .. i used it |
| 17:04.22 | stew | abrotman: that's 1 mb |
| 17:04.28 | abrotman | erm .. yeah it is |
| 17:04.29 | abrotman | shit |
| 17:04.32 | blind | how can I set the refresh rate for opengl applications? |
| 17:04.37 | abrotman | Zvpun: make that count a bit higher :) |
| 17:04.40 | Zvpun | abrotman: yes, but what are reasonable sizes for bs? |
| 17:04.41 | stew | Zvpun: what abrotman said but make bs=1M |
| 17:04.42 | aethera_ | abrotman: with some sort of plugin I presume |
| 17:04.50 | blind | I've use Debian |
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| 17:04.59 | abrotman | of course .. that's how eclipse works .. that's the best thing about eclipse |
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| 17:05.08 | cisse | hrm how does one go about installing debian on a machine with only a serial port, no monitor... the network ssh install looks a bit difficult |
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| 17:05.56 | pm_ | how can i allow only the users members of the group GR_AAA to RXW the folder aaa? im using 'chmod g+rwx,a-wrx' |
| 17:06.23 | Zvpun | pm_: do it the other way around first a-wrx then g+rwx or use octal notation |
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| 17:06.38 | Zvpun | pm_: chmod 0770 |
| 17:06.51 | stew | cisse: alter the d-i so that it passes CONSOLE=/dev/ttyS0 to the kernel, or type that blind into the boot: prompt |
| 17:07.37 | blind | someone can help me please |
| 17:07.41 | stew | cisse: if its already got a working linux, you could debootstrap it |
| 17:07.41 | pm_ | Zvpun thanks! |
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| 17:07.44 | blind | refresh rate problem |
| 17:07.47 | blind | please |
| 17:08.13 | jetscreamer | sudo hwinfo --monitor && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-(xorg|xfree86) |
| 17:08.16 | LinuxNIT-laptop | KS70, this might work for ya http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=1 |
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| 17:08.27 | jetscreamer | choose advanced |
| 17:08.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i havent actually used that one myself but it looks better than what i have |
| 17:08.37 | jetscreamer | note the rates from hwinfo |
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| 17:08.46 | Zvpun | what is the file size limit on FAT32? |
| 17:08.55 | jetscreamer | 2gb iirc |
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| 17:09.17 | jetscreamer | i heard tell about some version of fat32 that goes beyond that but no idea |
| 17:09.25 | aethera_ | abrotman: eclipse is not in etc? |
| 17:09.28 | aethera_ | etch |
| 17:09.33 | abrotman | probably not yet |
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| 17:09.34 | jetscreamer | and that would be sudo dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:09.45 | Trewas | at least in windows it works up to 4GB, dunno if linux vfat driver uses signed ints in some (wrong) place and the limit is lower |
| 17:09.49 | abrotman | anjuta might have code complete for php .. but i haven't used it for PHP in a long time |
| 17:09.57 | Fish-Face | Are there known problems with the at76c503 modules on debian 2.6.12? |
| 17:10.01 | abrotman | aethera_: http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/plugins.jsp?category=Languages&pager.offset=10&firstItem=11 |
| 17:10.01 | Zvpun | I want to unify hda1 (11 GB) and hda2 (4 GB) (both ext2) I tried to create a 4 GB ext2-image-file on another (fat 32) partition but it says file size limit exceeded, now I am without any ideas how to go on. |
| 17:10.03 | _keroppi_ | If the build-dep for kdebase is missing a package, where should I report it? (I did apt-get build-dep kdebase, which installed some stuff, then the make failed because it didn't have libxinerama-dev) |
| 17:10.08 | Fish-Face | I get 'invalid module format" when I try to probe the modules. |
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| 17:10.19 | aethera_ | abrotman: but I can not install eclipse from apt-get |
| 17:10.26 | blind | someone play ut2004? |
| 17:10.28 | aethera_ | it does not exist in my source.list |
| 17:10.30 | jetscreamer | try it on another partition i guess |
| 17:10.34 | aethera_ | !eclipse etch |
| 17:10.42 | chealer | _keroppi_: the BTS |
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| 17:10.56 | _keroppi_ | chealer: Can you expand that acronym? |
| 17:11.09 | chealer | blind: no, it's a scientifical app |
| 17:11.15 | chealer | !tell _keroppi_ about bts |
| 17:11.17 | jetscreamer | !tell aethera_ -about eclipse |
| 17:11.23 | blind | ???? |
| 17:11.25 | blind | what? |
| 17:11.33 | jetscreamer | ut2004 is science he said |
| 17:11.37 | jetscreamer | not a game |
| 17:11.40 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 17:11.48 | chealer | :) |
| 17:11.50 | blind | :S |
| 17:11.51 | _keroppi_ | chealer: Thanks |
| 17:11.53 | LinuxNIT-laptop | KS70, did you get that? |
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| 17:12.12 | bibe | blind : I installed it on my laptop to show it to a friend (who didn't believe his copy of ut2004 worked on linux) |
| 17:12.13 | blind | How can I set the refresh rates? |
| 17:12.17 | jetscreamer | blind i 'think' that hwinfo thingy was for you |
| 17:12.25 | jetscreamer | blind: try /lastlog jetscreamer |
| 17:12.32 | blind | let me see |
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| 17:13.25 | kados | how can I install the latest version of mozilla-firefox on my debian sarge box without resorting to apt-pinning (I'm afraid up updating glib) |
| 17:13.29 | kurtak | So check it out... i just spent a lot of time installing package after package and setting up some env. variables and softlinks to get all i needed in order to develop w/ someone else's project. I want to make all this setting-up automated now, so someone else who will work with me can just run one thing and have everything he needs installed and ready. Since this would be the first time for me to write such an automation, I'd like to ask what'd be the best |
| 17:13.29 | kurtak | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.42 | kados | is there a good backport source? |
| 17:13.46 | bibe | kados : www.backports.org |
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| 17:13.57 | bushito | anyone knows in what repositories i could find this glrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src |
| 17:14.25 | bibe | bushito : etch and sid |
| 17:14.35 | bushito | bibe: iam on sid =) |
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| 17:15.05 | bibe | bushito : they are in non-free (obviously) |
| 17:15.05 | blind | ok |
| 17:15.14 | blind | i've run hwinfo |
| 17:15.21 | blind | and now? |
| 17:15.35 | bushito | bibe: and how can i access non-free? =) |
| 17:15.59 | bibe | bushito : add non-free contrib to the lines in sources.list |
| 17:16.17 | bibe | sorry but I have to go ~ |
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| 17:17.49 | balo | http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/01/31/google_goes_desktop_linux/ Does any debian-dev get money for this? |
| 17:17.50 | jetscreamer | blind did you take note of the refresh valuses? v & h ? then drxx |
| 17:18.00 | jetscreamer | !tell blind -about drxx |
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| 17:18.43 | jetscreamer | and after all that, you'll probably need to tell ut2004 to not use 60 |
| 17:18.52 | jetscreamer | in quake it's r_displayrefresh |
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| 17:19.35 | kurtak | Is there a way to do some kind of script linking with apt so that i could make a script to check for installed packages and install a set of specific missing/old packages?? |
| 17:20.14 | NOthsouth | there is any way to get back something deleted ? |
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| 17:20.57 | abrotman | your backup |
| 17:21.10 | stew | NOthsouth: what filesystem? if ext3, then no |
| 17:21.11 | Fish-Face | Does anyone know much about the at76c503 modules? I can't get them to work on etch/2.6.12 |
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| 17:21.44 | NOthsouth | stew ext3 LOL |
| 17:21.58 | kurtak | All i need is a couple keywords to look up in google, but i'm not even sure what that'd be |
| 17:22.08 | stew | NOthsouth: google for "ext3+undelete" and you'll get lots of explainations of why this isn't possible |
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| 17:22.16 | NOthsouth | is XFS or raiser able to do taht? |
| 17:22.17 | vin` | kurtak: looked at equivs? |
| 17:22.36 | kurtak | vin`': no.. but i can |
| 17:22.55 | stew | NOthsouth: doubt it, the problem is the journal, ext2, however, can sometimes undelete |
| 17:23.12 | NOthsouth | humm i see |
| 17:23.15 | NOthsouth | crap |
| 17:23.16 | abrotman | kurtak: wait .. apt-get already does that |
| 17:23.16 | NOthsouth | hohoo |
| 17:23.18 | NOthsouth | thx |
| 17:23.31 | stew | NOthsouth: yay for backups! |
| 17:23.56 | kurtak | abrotman: that's what i was hoping- is that what dummy packages do? |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | kurtak: i think your description is a bit off :) |
| 17:24.18 | jetscreamer | you 'could' remove the journal and try the ext2 recover thingy |
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| 17:25.04 | kurtak | abrotman: what i'm looking to do is install a set of packages- they're not dependent on each other, but they're all necessary for a project i'm working on. |
| 17:25.19 | abrotman | kurtak: you could make your own metapackage |
| 17:25.34 | abrotman | or write a one line script to install them all |
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| 17:25.47 | howcomes | http://trippmd.com/uploaded_images/google-os_large-727216.jpg |
| 17:25.51 | kurtak | abrotman: so i'd just like to set up something for future developers of this project to run one thing and have everything they need installed |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | or |
| 17:25.54 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 17:25.55 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 17:26.06 | stew | jetscreamer: no, ext3 actually zeros out the block pointers in the inodes |
| 17:26.08 | abrotman | kurtak: ^^ .. that might help |
| 17:26.18 | kurtak | abrotman: okay, so i just need to learn how to make a metapackage then. that's cool |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | !mg |
| 17:26.33 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | kurtak: the clone stuff might work for oyu |
| 17:27.00 | Loren | Can someone help me decide which ram to purchase? |
| 17:27.07 | Loren | :) |
| 17:27.12 | kurtak | abrotman: what clone stuff is that? is that part of metapackaging? |
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| 17:27.26 | abrotman | kurtak: no .. it's a way to have the same set of packages on two machines |
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| 17:27.51 | Peper | can someone paste somewhere ls -al /etc/ for me plz? |
| 17:28.02 | abrotman | why would you want that ? |
| 17:28.15 | Peper | don't know the debian etc tree |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | wait . let me guess chmod -R a-r * ? |
| 17:28.26 | kurtak | abrotman: are you talking about the clone-debian project? |
| 17:28.28 | abrotman | Peper: ok .. so install debian ? |
| 17:28.32 | abrotman | kurtak: no .. |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | kurtak: you can take a list of packages from one machine .. and get them installed on a second machine |
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| 17:28.51 | ma3x | are there rewritable audio cds? |
| 17:28.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:29.04 | ma3x | i searched all the shops, and couldn't find any |
| 17:29.11 | abrotman | CDRW ? .. you couldn't find any ? |
| 17:29.17 | ma3x | i did find |
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| 17:29.20 | Peper | so can someone? plz |
| 17:29.22 | kurtak | abrotman: oh- what kind of tools do you use to do that? |
| 17:29.24 | ma3x | but when i write audio to it, most players wont play it |
| 17:29.31 | abrotman | kurtak: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 17:29.33 | abrotman | Peper: WHY? |
| 17:29.39 | howcomes | http://plod.popoever.com/upfiles/img/050902/googleOS.jpg |
| 17:29.47 | abrotman | stop |
| 17:29.55 | Peper | going blind in /etc folder |
| 17:30.07 | abrotman | Peper: what the hell are oyu looking for ? |
| 17:30.27 | kurtak | abrotman: ah cool |
| 17:30.28 | Peper | net config |
| 17:30.36 | abrotman | !tell Peper about interfaces |
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| 17:32.24 | plb- | what the hell kind of name is goobuntu! |
| 17:32.36 | cisse | lol |
| 17:33.07 | plb- | who thinks this stuff up |
| 17:33.12 | Peper | thnx abrotman |
| 17:33.31 | Peper | and where you would recommend to keep iptables rules? |
| 17:33.41 | Neverth | goobuntu....slimy stuff for humanity? |
| 17:33.44 | onweald_tim | I am trying to use parted on a 500gb drive. Partitions are (in meg) 100, 3000, 8000, and the remainder as extended partition. |
| 17:33.46 | Loren | What type of ram is best compatiblpe and optimized for linux and AMD? |
| 17:33.46 | onweald_tim | After I use parted, I run "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and it complains about cylinder boundary errors on the first two partitions. Any ideas how to fix this? Or of an alternative program? |
| 17:34.06 | onweald_tim | I want something I can use to automate the partitioning of the drive. |
| 17:34.08 | plb- | I wonder what google actually has planned for this |
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| 17:34.31 | Peterken | Hello all, i have some problems with my sound. Yesterday everything worked, now i have some problems: this is an error from my syslog: modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_0, When i boot i get a message from arts: no such device (/dev/dsp). I searched a lot on google but can't find the solution. Can someone help me or give me a tip in what direction i have to search to find a solution? |
| 17:34.41 | pm_ | which is the default permission of the HOME folder |
| 17:34.42 | cisse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.07 | cisse | Loren: if you buy a numa enabled proc, install memory in pairs |
| 17:35.19 | balo | Well, this desktop looks gooey.... hence the name: goo...buntu |
| 17:35.20 | poison | Hi all, when I do a snmpwalk on my localhost I see ifInOctets.1 that has a value of 137702403913, but when I do it on another machine it has value 0. Anybody an idea? I don't think it's a permission problem because I can see the value (even that it's 0) |
| 17:35.41 | Loren | cicsse: Yes, I'm getting Dual Channel, matches my motherboard chipset? |
| 17:35.46 | onweald_tim | Does anyone have a suggestion for a command line partitioning program? |
| 17:36.06 | Loren | cicsse: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131540 |
| 17:36.07 | Peper | and where you would recommend to keep iptables rules? |
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| 17:36.48 | ma3x | how do I determine if .ogg is really playable or damaged? |
| 17:36.50 | tesss | hi all |
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| 17:37.37 | zinx | ma3x: ogginfo |
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| 17:37.48 | tesss | do you know if it's possible to migrate on ubuntu on debian ? just i nedd to add an debian ftp apt server and i make dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:38.03 | stew | tesss: no, don't mix distributions |
| 17:38.06 | zinx | tesss: it's not a good idea |
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| 17:38.23 | tesss | i don't want mix i want to change ... |
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| 17:38.37 | Loren | whoops cisse: I typed your name cicssee: don't think it hilighted correctly 4 u |
| 17:39.47 | stew | tesss: its neither recommended, nor supported |
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| 17:40.11 | Jakk | cisse: sorry the thing died on me :( |
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| 17:43.10 | KS70 | LinuxNIT: I'm back, and stuck again if you can help. I've got a grub disk, but it doesn't have a clue how to read a reiserfs partition (my /) |
| 17:44.02 | NOthsouth | this message apear when I try to start mysql: /etc/init.d/mysql: line 88: /etc/mysql/debian-start: No such file or directory |
| 17:44.05 | LinuxNIT | what partition is you install on? |
| 17:44.07 | Peper | what does "abdy112:S.0" instead of ip address in who mean? |
| 17:44.36 | KS70 | stew: yesterday you advised me to uninstall devfs in order to get 2.6 running, and now I've been unable to boot this machine for 23 hours, during which I've banged my head on the desk more than a few times. |
| 17:45.13 | KS70 | LinuxNIT: I've got two partitions /boot (hda1, ext2) and / (hda3, reiserfs) |
| 17:45.23 | aethera_ | what the best FTP server to use |
| 17:45.27 | blind | I want to have 100 hz in 800x600 |
| 17:45.30 | blind | how? |
| 17:45.30 | aethera_ | or the most widely used one? |
| 17:45.40 | blind | and i have only 85 |
| 17:45.42 | stew | KS70: what error do you get booting the newer kernels? |
| 17:45.43 | blind | :P |
| 17:45.43 | bizkit | aethera_: depends, i suggest vsftpd |
| 17:45.53 | aethera_ | bizkit: its that the easiest to setup |
| 17:45.55 | Peper | where should i keep iptables rules? |
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| 17:45.59 | aethera_ | I want some real simple |
| 17:46.11 | aethera_ | just too copy stuff from my linux box to windows box |
| 17:46.12 | KS70 | stew: when booting them in Single mode I still get complaints about devfs |
| 17:46.24 | stew | KS70: what complaints? |
| 17:46.37 | starfishy | blind: why would you want 100 Hz? |
| 17:46.38 | stew | KS70: and this is on a machine with no devfs installed and with a kenrel that has no devfs support? |
| 17:46.58 | bizkit | aethera_: it's very secure, quite compact and simple to setup |
| 17:47.08 | KS70 | umount devfs not mounted |
| 17:47.16 | starfishy | if you really want a stable picture without any type or kind of flicker, get rid of that CRT and get an LCD |
| 17:47.22 | KS70 | mount unknown filesystem type 'devfs' |
| 17:47.26 | starfishy | then you can have 60Hz and a flicker free picture |
| 17:47.28 | KS70 | umount devfs not mounted |
| 17:47.38 | KS70 | pivot_root no such file or directory |
| 17:47.51 | KS70 | et. |
| 17:48.18 | KS70 | I've got two 2.4 kernels and 3 2.6 kernels on this machine and devfsd is uninstalled. |
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| 17:48.44 | stew | KS70: which tool did you use to build the initrd? |
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| 17:49.08 | KS70 | mkinitrd, I believe. As per instructions found on the net. |
| 17:49.16 | aethera_ | damn midnight commander sucks |
| 17:49.28 | aethera_ | well I like it but too copy big files it sucks |
| 17:49.34 | stew | KS70: you need to use yaird or initramfs-tools for newer kernels, mkinitrd doesn't work |
| 17:49.34 | aethera_ | unless my dma is not enabled |
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| 17:50.03 | mier85 | hab gerade die neue debian version die sich ubuntu nennt installiert, komme aber nicht so recht damit klar, kann jemand helfen? |
| 17:50.07 | blind | someone knows how to set the refresh rate? |
| 17:50.08 | Haukkari | !deutsch |
| 17:50.08 | dpkg | deutsch is probably #debian.de |
| 17:50.20 | aethera_ | blind: google? |
| 17:50.20 | blind | foi |
| 17:50.31 | stew | mier85: #ubuntu-nl |
| 17:50.32 | KS70 | ok, so how do I recover this? Because /dev is mostly unavailable, even chrooting to the old system causes problems and I can't seem to get around them to fix this. |
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| 17:50.52 | blind | i've searched since one week |
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| 17:50.56 | mier85 | i've just installed the latest debian version called ubuntu, and its giving me some trouble, can somebody help out? |
| 17:51.04 | Haukkari | mier85: ubuntu isn't Debian |
| 17:51.05 | KS70 | I would be ecstatic at this point just to have the 2.4 back running. |
| 17:51.06 | stew | KS70: boot a live cd, make a new initrd using yaird or initramfs-tools |
| 17:51.10 | Haukkari | mier85: go to #ubuntu :) |
| 17:51.11 | aethera_ | meacan: #ubuntu-nl |
| 17:51.16 | aethera_ | this is not a ubuntu channel |
| 17:51.17 | stew | KS70: why doesn't 2.4 work? |
| 17:51.20 | KS70 | stew: when chrooted or not? |
| 17:51.22 | Haukkari | why -nl? That was German. |
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| 17:51.25 | stew | KS70: doesn't matter |
| 17:51.39 | aethera_ | read the topic mier85 |
| 17:51.47 | stew | KS70: how did you break 2.4? |
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| 17:52.33 | stew | mier85: #ubuntu-de |
| 17:52.40 | KS70 | stew: well, when I boot the 2.4 kernels in single mode, it bitches about not having /dev available, gives me a management prompt, then another, then attempts to start gdm, at which point the whole machine hangs and eventually I get "respawning too fast" errors. |
| 17:53.07 | mier85 | then can you help me with my kanotix installation on other disk at least? |
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| 17:53.19 | poison | hmz, when I try to snmpwalk on my amd64 machine from a regular 686 machine, I'm getting screwed-up results, while amd64 to amd64 works fine, any ideas? |
| 17:53.39 | stew | KS70: is your static /dev populated? if you just want to get back to where you were, why not install devfs? |
| 17:53.55 | stew | mier85: we cannot help with kanotix, no, go to #kanotix |
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| 17:54.02 | zinx | paison: sounds like amd64 might break the protocol a bit |
| 17:54.15 | KS70 | stew: some of it seems to be, but I can't get 2.4 to boot at this point to install devfsd again |
| 17:54.24 | KS70 | as said above |
| 17:54.25 | zinx | poison: check the BTS |
| 17:54.27 | stew | KS70: boot a livecd, chroot, install devfs |
| 17:54.32 | poison | zinx: ok |
| 17:54.35 | stouset | ROFL, love the DebConf6 logo. |
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| 17:55.04 | zinx | poison: also check 686<->686 and from amd64 to 686 if possible |
| 17:55.04 | KS70 | stew: tried that, it can't get the network up, chrooted or not, and I'm not sure what that's about. |
| 17:55.21 | KS70 | stew: so I can't use apt-get to install devfsd |
| 17:55.27 | stew | KS70: did you delete devfs from /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 17:55.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Has anyone here setup an Epson Stylus Photo printer? I've setup printers in Linux before, but they've always had PPD files. I'm confused on how to proceed with the directions on linuxprinting.org, which only talk about PPD files. |
| 17:55.40 | stew | KS70: download it to a floppy / usbkey, and install it from there |
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| 17:55.53 | KS70 | stew: I don't ordinarily keep the install files around. |
| 17:56.08 | Wursti | whats up |
| 17:56.09 | stew | KS70: is your static /dev populated? |
| 17:56.14 | thingfish | GenNMX|Thrae: I have an epson SP 870. |
| 17:56.19 | KS70 | stew: minimally |
| 17:56.39 | thingfish | actually, it's on another machine on the network. |
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| 17:57.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | thingfish: Yeah, I'm trying to setup this Debian box to print on a printer on a Windows box. |
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| 17:57.19 | stew | KS70: use MAKEDEV to populate it, take devfs out of fstab |
| 17:57.52 | KS70 | MAKEDEV with what parameters, if any? |
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| 17:58.04 | `VL | i have debian on machine,isolated from internet. what is the best method to install software? how to handle dependencies? is there an (semi)automated way? |
| 17:58.05 | thingfish | GenNMX|Thrae: same setup here. It should be a breeze - I just use gnome-cups-manager and add the printer. |
| 17:58.59 | GenNMX|Thrae | thingfish: Hmm OK, I'll give gnome-cups-manager a shot. |
| 17:59.00 | stew | KS70: cd /path/to/staticdev; ./MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:59.14 | stew | KS70: do you have yaird installed? |
| 17:59.15 | stouset | `VL: Install from the CD. |
| 17:59.25 | KS70 | stew: doubtful |
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| 17:59.37 | stew | KS70: were you using a debian kernel image? |
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| 17:59.48 | kurtak | The debian clone trick - will it uninstall packages on the machine that's getting the list of packages from the selection file if the selection file doesn't have a pkg that the receiving machine has? |
| 17:59.57 | stew | KS70: for 2.6? |
| 18:00.10 | `VL | stouset: i`m interested in additional software, which is not on cd, but in repository |
| 18:00.16 | KS70 | stew: I tried both generic and custom, and both are installed right now. |
| 18:00.22 | `VL | or updates |
| 18:00.40 | poison | zinx: I've added a comment to the bug #344979 I think it has something to do with that |
| 18:01.09 | stew | KS70: which version of the debian kernel? the newer ones depend on yaird|initramfs-tools, and since you don't have udev, you'd have yaird installed |
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| 18:01.31 | KS70 | stew: udev -is- installed. |
| 18:01.41 | aethera_ | can you force kill a process? |
| 18:01.49 | nixie | kill -9 |
| 18:01.51 | stouset | `VL: All the software is on the CDs. |
| 18:02.04 | `VL | stouset: updated? |
| 18:02.05 | stew | KS70: huh? then certainly don't bother with your static /dev |
| 18:02.18 | aethera_ | nixie: It does not want to kill mc |
| 18:02.19 | aethera_ | :( |
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| 18:02.35 | KS70 | stew: then maybe it's just that /etc/fstab has a /devfs entry? |
| 18:02.41 | stew | KS70: install initramfs-tools and use it to rebuild your initrd for the newer 2.6 kernel |
| 18:02.42 | nixie | sometimes stuff gets stuck. donno why, i usually reboot when that happens. |
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| 18:02.49 | stouset | `VL: I think there's a way to do that too. If it's plugged into a network but unable to access the internet, you can also set up an apt-proxy server. |
| 18:02.56 | stew | KS70: if you used mkinitrd for your initrd then you need to rebuild it |
| 18:03.05 | stouset | `VL: It maintains its own package cache and acts like a normal apt repo. |
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| 18:03.40 | KS70 | stew: what's the syntax for initramfs-tools |
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| 18:03.53 | abrotman | Peper: please read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
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| 18:04.10 | `VL | unfortunately, network is not connected to internet. is it possible to move apt-proxy cache manually from one machine to another? floppy-net =) |
| 18:04.25 | stew | KS70: same as mkinitrd iirc, man mkinitramfs |
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| 18:04.35 | aethera_ | 14088 ? D 0:02 mc |
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| 18:04.47 | aethera_ | spawn:/home/aethera# kill -9 14088 |
| 18:04.51 | aethera_ | and it still runs wTF? |
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| 18:05.23 | KS70 | stew: alright, thanks. Sorry I'm bitchy, but I've been at this for freaking ever now and very frustrated. |
| 18:05.27 | Arnald | is debian going to support seamonkey? |
| 18:05.39 | KS70 | stew: I have enough info to go try this now? |
| 18:05.55 | stew | KS70: i think i have given you lots of stuff to try, with both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 18:06.15 | KS70 | stew: Ok, I'll be back. |
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| 18:08.09 | Confusias | <--n00b, be gentle...I have a soekris net4801 that has 3 network interfaces running debian. I want to serve dhcp on eth1 and eth2 routing all client trafic through eth0..The problem I'm having is I want to serve 2 totaly different subnets on eth1 and eth2, can i do this and how if so??? |
| 18:09.20 | stew | Confusias: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:09.30 | nkuttler | `VL: probably not. you can import any .debs, but the proxy will fail on an apt-get update. maybe you can configure it to ignore it. |
| 18:09.37 | Confusias | latest...d/l it a few days ago |
| 18:10.03 | Confusias | did netinstall |
| 18:10.23 | Confusias | pretty sure that gets all latest/stable |
| 18:10.44 | stew | Confusias: are eth1 and eth2 on different subnets? |
| 18:11.11 | Confusias | they will be yes |
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| 18:11.57 | cisse | Confusias: not sure, but you might just want to run two instances of dhcpd one bound to each interface |
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| 18:12.20 | stew | Confusias: then there is no problem, you define what adresses to give out based on a subnet of the card that the request they came in on |
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| 18:12.35 | tobleaa | I need some help for my laptop, graphix card and X. Who can help me? |
| 18:12.38 | Confusias | heck yes, that's what I was thinking i'd have to do... got any ideas how to get that started? |
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| 18:12.46 | Silent_al | how can i know which alsa related pkgs are installed on my system? ( apt-? ? alsa) |
| 18:12.47 | stew | Confusias: no, you don't have to |
| 18:13.04 | tobleaa | f.ex. one who have acer aspire laptop.. :) |
| 18:13.13 | stew | Confusias: do you have two subnet definitions in dhcpd.conf? one for each of eth1 and eth2? |
| 18:13.16 | cisse | Confusias: write two different dhcpd.conf files, then duplicate your init.d script for dhcpd, change one script so it uses the command line switch to read a different config file (the second one you made) |
| 18:13.21 | stew | cisse: why? |
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| 18:13.54 | cisse | stew: didn't know you could assign ranges based on subnet of card |
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| 18:14.07 | stew | cisse: its the only way you can assign ranges |
| 18:14.07 | NOthsouth | how can I see the processor clock ? |
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| 18:14.26 | stew | NOthsouth: the speed? cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:14.36 | NOthsouth | stew yeh thx |
| 18:14.38 | cisse | stew: i ment bind different ranges to different cards |
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| 18:15.27 | bbrazil | Confusias: that should just be two seperate sections in your dhcpd.conf, I've never done it |
| 18:15.58 | tobleaa | Someone who can help me with my Acer Aspire laptop? and graphic card.. VIA KM400 |
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| 18:16.53 | nkuttler | Silent_al: use dpkg -l |
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| 18:17.31 | starfishy | afaik the dhcp range selection occurs according to the IP address of the interface the dhcp reqest is coming in through |
| 18:17.54 | starfishy | so two separate sections should work |
| 18:18.25 | Confusias | ok let me make sure I got what was said...I simply make two different ranges for the two different subnets and it'll jsut work based on what subnet the request comes from?? |
| 18:18.26 | starfishy | i have a server hooked up to our company network, that only answers dhcp requests from the other network interface |
| 18:18.33 | stew | Confusias: yes |
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| 18:18.35 | starfishy | yes |
| 18:18.39 | Confusias | that is bad ass |
| 18:18.49 | Silent_al | nkuttler, thanx m8 :) |
| 18:18.53 | Confusias | cheers guys... |
| 18:19.01 | Confusias | gals?... |
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| 18:19.11 | Confusias | anywho, gonna go give it a go, thanks |
| 18:19.16 | starfishy | if that wouldnt work a lot of setups would be impossible |
| 18:19.29 | Confusias | again thanks.. |
| 18:19.35 | starfishy | i cant have the dhcp server on my test server answer dhcp requests from the public network |
| 18:19.53 | starfishy | so the dhcp config file specifies the address range of the private net |
| 18:20.25 | KS70 | stew: Okkk....I'm back running on the 2.4 kernel! That, at least, is a welcome relief. |
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| 18:21.20 | KS70 | stew: Now, do you know of a good walkthrough for upgrading to 2.6? One that doesn't tell me to use mkinitrd? |
| 18:21.57 | stouset | KS70: Er, upgrading to 2.6 shouldn't be any harder than apt-getting the latest image. |
| 18:22.12 | raden | is there a way to run backups via ssh to another system or would i have to run ftp or something ? |
| 18:22.19 | stouset | raden: scp. |
| 18:22.23 | KS70 | FWIW, the reason I'm trying to run 2.6 is that 2.4 doesn't appear to have support for something to turn on DMA for my SATA drive. |
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| 18:22.31 | jetscreamer | ah i didn't know that stew |
| 18:22.42 | raden | stouset, i can do that as a cron job ? |
| 18:22.50 | KS70 | stouset: hah! I wish! I've installed about 6 kernels from apt and none of them are bootable. |
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| 18:23.12 | stouset | KS70: That's genuinely surprising. Weird hardware? |
| 18:23.16 | stouset | raden: Why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 18:23.26 | cisse | KS70: once you install a 2.6 kernel you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change hdx to sdx |
| 18:23.46 | KS70 | stouset: shouldn't be especially...Asus p4p800 (not vm or deluxe) and a pretty standard SATA drive. |
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| 18:23.59 | KS70 | cisee: been running lilo. |
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| 18:24.05 | stouset | KS70: Ah, what cisse said. 2.6 uses sdx for SATA drives rather than hdx. |
| 18:24.08 | somePriest | I've never used --force, but I have both xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg in unstable. I've only ever used apt to upgrade. Isn't this unusual, don't they conflict? |
| 18:24.10 | Davetha | Debian so sucks |
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| 18:24.18 | cisse | lol |
| 18:24.18 | stouset | KS70: Same thing applies to lilo. |
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| 18:24.43 | abrotman | nice freaking gentoo idiot |
| 18:24.44 | KS70 | ok...I will give it a try later. For now I'm just trying to get caught up on a missing day of work. |
| 18:24.51 | abrotman | !tell davetha about why debian |
| 18:24.53 | ronin | gee that took courage davetha |
| 18:24.58 | stouset | Alright guys, you heard the man. Guess we all oughta pack up and egress to Fedora Core. |
| 18:24.59 | abrotman | gone already |
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| 18:25.29 | ronin | like i said abrotman, it took courage to come in, troll then run away as fast as they could |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | those canadians are such wussies |
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| 18:25.40 | KS70 | hey now... |
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| 18:26.01 | stouset | ronin: Damn, it was his hand-optimized IRC binaries that let him /part so fast. |
| 18:26.06 | KS70 | don't be disrespecting us Canadians (although I did go steal an american wife) |
| 18:26.09 | ronin | stouset: heh |
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| 18:26.26 | Norbert | hi, what's easiest way to install Java for firefox? |
| 18:26.30 | Norbert | this seems to have no effect -> norbert@debian:~/.mozilla/plugins$ ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 18:26.40 | abrotman | !tell Norbert about install java |
| 18:27.11 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.13 | KS70 | Anyway, thanks all for your help...I'm off to earn my living. |
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| 18:27.51 | Norbert | dpkg tells me to install a 'java-package', I've download the bin and executed it as root |
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| 18:28.23 | Norbert | unless 'the java-package' is something special I should apt-get... or something |
| 18:28.28 | kristalino | wtf with packages.debian.org ? |
| 18:28.36 | starfishy | norbert: executing the package installer is not enough |
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| 18:28.42 | stouset | Norbert: "Install the java-package package" |
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| 18:28.47 | starfishy | yes, you should apt-get java-package |
| 18:28.53 | secher | Norbert: Yes. apt-get install java-package |
| 18:29.20 | stouset | And then, "ask me about java-package" |
| 18:29.41 | Norbert | oh, never mind... I have no contrib in sources.list, *grmbl* |
| 18:29.50 | starfishy | java-package creates the necessary links and stuff |
| 18:30.12 | stouset | Norbert: : |
| 18:30.14 | stouset | Norbert: :D |
| 18:30.40 | hugoboss | I'm running unstable and I've a problem with xserver-xorg 6.9. I can't find any help anywhere. Can anyone help me? |
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| 18:31.08 | DevilChaos | hi |
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| 18:31.30 | _Sam-- | can anyone recommend an SBC (single board computer) with debian embedded? |
| 18:31.32 | DevilChaos | does init scripts for deb need lock files? |
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| 18:31.43 | starfishy | hugo: you understand that you are pretty much on your own if you run unstable |
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| 18:33.15 | hugoboss | starfish, I know that but since I'm a newbie it could be solved by someone with another level of experience |
| 18:33.37 | ronin | hugoboss: whats a newbie doing running unstable? |
| 18:33.53 | stew | hugoboss: tell us the acutal problem you are having if you want help |
| 18:33.53 | somePriest | !tell somePriest about why debian |
| 18:33.54 | DevilChaos | stable stable stable |
| 18:33.56 | starfishy | i was kinda asking myself the same question |
| 18:34.19 | stew | hugoboss: and of course you should check the bts /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:34.23 | starfishy | but i second stew's comment |
| 18:34.31 | hugoboss | trying to begin in the most dificult to be prepared to all |
| 18:34.35 | starfishy | so tell us the problem and we'll see what we can do |
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| 18:34.58 | DevilChaos | does init scripts for deb need lock files? |
| 18:35.09 | DevilChaos | damn typos debian |
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| 18:35.44 | starfishy | why would init scripts need lockfiles? |
| 18:35.52 | diana | What is a good cli program I can use to stream music from a *.pls file? |
| 18:35.52 | starfishy | in general: no |
| 18:35.57 | cisse | hugoboss: what's wrong with xorg ? |
| 18:36.05 | diana | !tell cisse about xorg |
| 18:36.17 | DevilChaos | its a line of code in config file for shorewall wanted to know if it was needed |
| 18:36.26 | cisse | heh diana thx |
| 18:36.36 | _Sam-- | diana: mpg123 works |
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| 18:36.58 | diana | thanks _Sam-- |
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| 18:37.19 | Norbert | sorry to bother you again, but can anyone tell me how to fix this: "Updating mozilla chrome registry...regxpcom: relocation error: /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libxremote_client.so: undefined symbol: _Z20NS_NewGenericModule2P12nsModuleInfoPP9nsIModule" ? |
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| 18:37.23 | stew | diana: .pls is just a text file contianing urls to the actual content, mpg123 can handle if if its an mp3 stream |
| 18:37.30 | Norbert | norbert@debian:~$ mozilla |
| 18:37.30 | Norbert | Segmentation fault |
| 18:37.36 | hugoboss | I've a ati radeon x700 which works fine with xserver-xorg-6.8. When I need to install any package I've to upgrade to xserver-xorg-6.9 and to uninstall the fglrx driver. I've to manually revert to xserver-xorg 6.8. Is there a way to prevent automatc upgrade of xserver-xorg to 6.9? |
| 18:37.44 | Silent_al | diana? :o a real girl right? |
| 18:37.50 | stew | Norbert: what version of debian? which version of mozilla? |
| 18:38.01 | cisse | hugoboss: yes pin it to a certain version with apt, google for 'apt pinning' and you should find some good information |
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| 18:38.07 | Norbert | stew: stable, the apt-get version of Mozilla... |
| 18:38.14 | diana | stew / Silent_al / _Sam-- http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7b1AHB39.html |
| 18:38.31 | DevilChaos | lol bye |
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| 18:39.11 | Silent_al | diana, omg! wait 'till i tell this to my imaginary gf ! ^_^ |
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| 18:39.56 | Silent_al | Norbert, apt-cache policy mozilla |
| 18:40.08 | Norbert | diana: try streamripper |
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| 18:40.25 | stew | diana: looks like the first url is down, try the others |
| 18:40.28 | Chance | help, how can i know the exactly frequency of my processor in debian ? dmesg |grep CPU or cat /proc/cpuinfo not showing ok |
| 18:40.29 | starfishy | diana: did you check whether the resource you try to play actually exists? |
| 18:40.31 | hugoboss | cisee: thanks a lot. I will follow your hint |
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| 18:40.50 | stew | Chance: what is wrong with cat /proc cpuinfo? |
| 18:40.56 | diana | starfishy: yes it exists |
| 18:41.05 | Norbert | stew / Silent_al: Installed: 2:1.7.8-1sarge3 |
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| 18:41.23 | Chance | stew it shows model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP and cpu MHz : 1002.548 |
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| 18:41.29 | Norbert | (same as the candidate) |
| 18:41.30 | GloX | how can I see which MTA is installed ? |
| 18:41.32 | stew | Norbert: try moving your .mozilla out of the way and starting it, or try with a new user, it might be a problem with one of your extensions |
| 18:41.34 | Chance | but does that means it is AMD 1 Ghz ? |
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| 18:41.55 | stew | Chance: it means its 1.002548 Ghz |
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| 18:41.59 | Norbert | stew: won't removing .mozilla remove my firefox bookmarks and followed links? |
| 18:42.10 | zinx | Chance: it means your Athlon XP is 1002.548MHz |
| 18:42.19 | Chance | stew and that is 1 Ghz |
| 18:42.21 | Chance | right ? |
| 18:42.22 | stew | Norbert: just move it temporarily, to determine if that's where the problem lies, you can move it back later |
| 18:42.25 | cisse | Chance: uh goto wikipedia and read up on processor speed |
| 18:42.29 | Matt-H | Chance: which means it's one thet sell as "Athlon XP 1400+" or similar |
| 18:42.37 | Norbert | norbert@debian:~$ mv .mozilla/ .test |
| 18:42.37 | Norbert | norbert@debian:~$ mozilla |
| 18:42.37 | Norbert | Segmentation fault |
| 18:42.44 | zinx | Chance: it's 1.002548GHz. |
| 18:42.45 | stew | Chance: its very very close to 1Ghz |
| 18:42.50 | Chance | yea |
| 18:42.50 | timday | How can I purge a package I apt-get removed without a --purge option ? |
| 18:42.54 | Gomo1 | where did /etc/init.d/iptables go in sarge? |
| 18:42.55 | Chance | correct that's what i thaught |
| 18:43.03 | Chance | thanks |
| 18:43.05 | cisse | Gomo1: probably not installed |
| 18:43.22 | Gomo1 | cisse: do you know what the package name is? |
| 18:43.30 | Norbert | stew: how about apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-overwrite" install mozilla ? |
| 18:43.32 | stew | Gomo1: i think it still might be in /usr/share/doc/iptables somewhere, the maintainer things that the init.d script is a bad idea so he moved it to the doc directory |
| 18:43.32 | diana | stew / Silent_al / _Sam-- / starfishy http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Qk04Xq56.html |
| 18:43.32 | Gomo1 | apt-cache search iptables save didn't help |
| 18:43.33 | overnout | probably iptables |
| 18:43.45 | Gomo1 | stew: mmm ok |
| 18:43.46 | Gomo1 | thanks |
| 18:43.59 | diana | I get _some_ stream...but it doesn't actually play...but this link plays fine in xmms, but on this particular box I don't have enough hdd space to install X, and I only have mpg123 |
| 18:44.03 | Chance | stew one more thing how can i check if kernel was compiled with grsec support ? |
| 18:44.05 | stew | Norbert: you also might try removing your plugins temporarily |
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| 18:44.11 | sketcher | hi guys |
| 18:44.21 | stew | Chance: did you compile it? is it a debian kernel? |
| 18:44.52 | sketcher | does anybody of you know where to get firefox 1.5 for amd 64 bit cpus? |
| 18:44.54 | starfishy | zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 18:44.59 | Chance | stew Linux debian 2.6.8-2-k7-smp and no it wasn't me the one that compiled it |
| 18:45.00 | BucWheat | would anyone have any idea as to why gtklp pops up a login window when users enter gtklp to print? |
| 18:45.01 | starfishy | should show you what is compiled in the kernel |
| 18:45.02 | abrotman | sketcher: which veresion of debian ? |
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| 18:45.14 | stew | Chance: it doesn't have grsecurity if debian compiled it |
| 18:45.17 | poilerqwer | is it not such a good idea to install the kernel from testing onto stable? this is the only way i can get debian to work |
| 18:45.36 | BucWheat | i have cups installed and the printer configured |
| 18:45.36 | diana | stew / Silent_al / _Sam-- I get this weird scratching noise every like 30 seconds...but no music...whereas with xmms on the other box, I can xmms hi.pls and the stream plays fine. |
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| 18:45.36 | sketcher | abrotman, im running ubuntu but they couldnt help me |
| 18:45.36 | gniretar_work | ah the debian channel |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | poilerqwer: it's fine .. you're responsible for your own kernel security |
| 18:45.37 | Chance | stew ok i see |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | sketcher: install debian .. then we'll talk |
| 18:45.45 | gniretar_work | known for the most fun bot on freenode |
| 18:45.49 | gniretar_work | !sing |
| 18:45.49 | dpkg | Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do... |
| 18:45.50 | Chance | !find apt |
| 18:45.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'apt' (15 of 87): apt ;; apt-build ;; apt-cacher ;; apt-doc ;; apt-dpkg-ref ;; apt-file ;; apt-howto ;; apt-howto-ca ;; apt-howto-common ;; apt-howto-de ;; apt-howto-el ;; apt-howto-en ;; apt-howto-es ;; apt-howto-fr ;; apt-howto-it. |
| 18:46.04 | gniretar_work | !cry |
| 18:46.06 | abrotman | gniretar_work: /msg dpkg hi |
| 18:46.08 | gniretar_work | !abuse |
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| 18:46.08 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 18:46.08 | stew | diana: try using a larger than default buffer size |
| 18:46.18 | sketcher | abrotman, :-D nice try. can you help me. it should be the same way to do this |
| 18:46.18 | gniretar_work | gotchya |
| 18:46.25 | abrotman | !d-i sketcher |
| 18:46.25 | dpkg | sketcher, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:46.41 | abrotman | sketcher: i will NOT help you with ubuntu .. if the idiots that made it can't help you .. why should i? |
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| 18:47.00 | nisc | don't call them idiots |
| 18:47.04 | sketcher | maybe because you're a nice guy? |
| 18:47.13 | Chance | how can i ask the bot to tell me where can i get the apt |
| 18:47.19 | abrotman | nisc: why shouldn't i? |
| 18:47.30 | nisc | why should you |
| 18:47.33 | stew | Chance: what do you mean, "get the apt" ? |
| 18:47.35 | diana | !tell sketcher about ubuntu |
| 18:47.46 | abrotman | nisc: because they can't help thier users .. and they send them here ? |
| 18:47.54 | Chance | stew link where i can download the apt |
| 18:48.08 | stew | diana: actually it seems mpg123 has no buffer by default, you might try a 8192 or so |
| 18:48.20 | diana | stew: How do I do that? |
| 18:48.23 | stew | Chance: what do you mean by "apt" do you mean the apt package? why do you need to download it? |
| 18:48.27 | stew | diana: man mpg123 |
| 18:48.42 | diana | stew: mpg123 -k 8192 http:/ip:port? |
| 18:48.53 | Chance | stew because there is no apt command in my box |
| 18:49.14 | diana | Chance: Is there an "apt-get" command? |
| 18:49.17 | stew | Chance: "apt" or "apt-get"? |
| 18:49.18 | Chance | or apt-get |
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| 18:49.21 | nisc | abrotman: they tell people to go here? :) |
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| 18:49.32 | abrotman | nisc: like you |
| 18:49.33 | BucWheat | if i have cups installed what command should i be issuing to print to default printer installed with cups? |
| 18:49.37 | sketcher | abrotman, they didn't send me to you. I need help, if you don't want to help me it's your desision |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | sketcher: don't pester debian people with ubuntu problems |
| 18:50.01 | secher | sketcher: read the /topic |
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| 18:50.05 | diana | sketcher: go away |
| 18:50.16 | stew | sketcher: its off-topic here, please just move on and stop cuasing a disruption |
| 18:50.19 | toad_ | make-jpkg isn't working |
| 18:50.27 | stew | toad_: be more specific |
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| 18:50.29 | sketcher | screw you guys I'm going home ;-) |
| 18:50.31 | toad_ | it says "No matching plugin was found" |
| 18:50.33 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:50.36 | diana | ya |
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| 18:50.40 | toad_ | when I run $ fakeroot make-jpkg /home/browser/jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586-rpm.bin |
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| 18:50.43 | toad_ | on sarge |
| 18:50.44 | diana | lol |
| 18:50.53 | Chance | ok |
| 18:50.54 | Chance | got it |
| 18:50.55 | diana | toad_: Don't get the rpm |
| 18:51.03 | stew | toad_: it only works on jre/jdk's listed in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 18:51.04 | toad_ | diana: get what then? |
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| 18:51.08 | diana | toad_: You need to get just .bin and not .rpm.bin you downloaded the wrong file |
| 18:51.16 | somePriest | Anyone have any luck running an ATI card under Xorg (unstable)? I could use the built in "ati" driver with Xfree86 fine, now that I've upgraded, it segfaults when I run: X |
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| 18:51.23 | stew | toad_: if you are trying to use a newer one, you can try java-package from etch or sid, they install cleanly on sarge |
| 18:51.24 | toad_ | i can install it directly, but i thought make-jpkg used the rpm? |
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| 18:51.50 | diana | somePriest: What ati card do you use? xorg only supports 3d accel if you card is 9100 or lower...if you have a higher card then that I recommend fglrx |
| 18:51.51 | toad_ | ah ok |
| 18:51.59 | stew | toad_: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 18:52.03 | diana | toad_: make-jpkg wants a .bin not a .rpm.bin |
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| 18:52.18 | stew | diana: 9250 or lower |
| 18:52.24 | toad_ | ok |
| 18:52.36 | toad_ | there's an R300 driver... |
| 18:52.37 | stew | toad_: check SUPPORTED before you bother downloading |
| 18:52.41 | somePriest | diana : Its 9600 or 9800. I forget which. 9800 I believe. Its 3D capable. |
| 18:52.42 | toad_ | in the latest... |
| 18:52.53 | beleys | Poy |
| 18:53.00 | stew | the ati driver should still work, just without 3d accelleration |
| 18:53.00 | toad_ | stew: i need it anyway, if i can't use it via make-jpkg i'll just have to install it directly |
| 18:53.02 | diana | stew: What is wrong with mpg123? could you get it to stream any links on this hi.pls ... http://www.dnbradio.com/hi.pls |
| 18:53.06 | toad_ | stew: r05 has a nasty deadlock |
| 18:53.32 | toad_ | there's a rather experimental R300 driver, it's not in the default X6.9 unless you tell it to build it |
| 18:53.39 | somePriest | diana - Does ATI provide fglrx DEBs that will work with Xorg on Debian? I recall fglrx being really difficult to install. |
| 18:53.41 | toad_ | dunno if it's in debian |
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| 18:54.05 | diana | !tell somePriest about ati |
| 18:54.29 | somePriest | diana : Ooh, and I see there is a package for it on the mirrors too. |
| 18:54.29 | diana | somePriest: I think fglrx is really easy to install, you just have to follow the guide dpkg messaged you. |
| 18:54.40 | stew | diana: are you sure they are mp3 streams? |
| 18:54.49 | diana | stew: no |
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| 18:54.56 | kspath | Spank you very much abrotman! |
| 18:54.59 | diana | stew: There is an ogg link on the site...and I assume the others are mp3 |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | kspath: why? |
| 18:55.06 | zinx | somePriest: they provide a way to generate debs; debian testing/unstable also have debs in the non-free repository |
| 18:55.17 | kspath | abrotman: Why ask why? |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | drink bud dry? |
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| 18:55.42 | stew | diana: http://69.60.112.49:10128/ works fine for me in mg123 |
| 18:55.44 | GloX | If I try to remove any package I get this: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 18:55.47 | secher | Feh, might as well be drinking water. |
| 18:55.55 | thingfish | boy really |
| 18:55.57 | somePriest | diana : Heh, from that page you gave, "The fglrx driver is not really very stable, nor is it simple to install" |
| 18:56.06 | GloX | And if I run apt-get -f install i get this: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:56.23 | GloX | anyone that can assist ? |
| 18:56.42 | stew | GloX: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
| 18:57.09 | diana | stew: What did you type? "mpg123 http://69.60.112.49:10128" |
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| 18:57.24 | stew | diana: yes |
| 18:57.37 | diana | stew: sarge/etch/sid? |
| 18:57.37 | somePriest | Heh, aptitude install fglrx-driver: fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (< 6.8.99) but 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 is installed. |
| 18:57.45 | stew | diana: etch |
| 18:57.52 | diana | same here |
| 18:58.07 | bushito | somePriest: http://blog.linux.it/dan/geek_life/2006/01/08/ati_fglrx_driver_installation |
| 18:58.09 | stew | diana: actaully, restarting it didnt' work however |
| 18:58.17 | bushito | =) i am installing my ati 2 |
| 18:58.49 | diana | stew: What do you mean "restarting it"? |
| 18:59.02 | GloX | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1711 |
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| 19:00.01 | rohan | hi all .. can i update my sid install by chrooting into it from another distro ? |
| 19:00.10 | rohan | i dont want to reboot :( |
| 19:00.11 | lindi- | rohan: sure |
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| 19:00.26 | stew | diana: after i hit ctrl-c and tried again it didnt' work, it seems to only sometimes work for me, don't know why |
| 19:00.29 | rohan | lindi-: any special instructions ? |
| 19:00.56 | lindi- | rohan: not really, make sure pts and proc are mounted. and note that it might start some extra daemons during the upgrade |
| 19:01.28 | somePriest | bushito : I always disliked how in LInux you can find a million and one pages how to do different things, but if they're so much as a version old they likely won't work cause of varying paths, etc. Its most frustrating. Very counterproductive. I'll try this site you gave though. |
| 19:01.28 | diana | stew: I typed it 123 times(used a script) and none worked. Is there an alternative to do what I want without X? |
| 19:01.43 | rohan | lindi-: ok. so, chroot /dev/hdcX, mount -t procfs /proc .. how do i mount pts ? |
| 19:01.52 | stew | GloX: what does "apt-cache policy xlibs" say? |
| 19:01.58 | lindi- | rohan: "chroot directory" |
| 19:02.07 | bushito | somePriest: welcome to the ATI WORLD next time you get an nvidia =) |
| 19:02.16 | bushito | a* |
| 19:02.37 | GloX | ok, hold on |
| 19:03.02 | somePriest | bushito : ATI's do better on benchmarks, typically, for the price (about 1/2 of an nVidia), and its a hand-me-down from my win machine where it installs the first time, every time. |
| 19:03.26 | GloX | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1712 |
| 19:03.35 | bushito | somePriest: you got that right ATi works good everywhere except linux ; ) |
| 19:04.06 | bushito | somePriest: and you can go over google and everyones ATI card is working 100%, why cant we make our ati card work 2?? |
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| 19:04.50 | somePriest | bushito : Well, in fairness it worked in Xfree. I see now that fglrx-driver in unstable requires a version of X that is less than (That's weird) the current version in unstable. |
| 19:05.01 | secher | I have a 9600 Pro 256 working on Xorg, and a 7200 working on the same, both in unstable, with out a hitch. Don't know how to help you cause I had no trouble. |
| 19:05.18 | stew | GloX: wait, i missed that debconf was locked, do you have any debconf processes running? |
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| 19:05.35 | stew | GloX: do you have a dpkg-reconfigure process running? |
| 19:06.00 | bushito | somePriest: i am getting same error =) i got 6.9 and i need 6.8.99 |
| 19:06.05 | GloX | not that I know of |
| 19:06.14 | bushito | somePriest: hehehehehe =) |
| 19:06.18 | GloX | I'm the only one logged in, and only with one terminal |
| 19:06.53 | stew | GloX: what does "fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" return? |
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| 19:07.27 | nixie | somePriest: 6.9.0 and fglrx dont mix well. |
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| 19:08.36 | nixie | i just spent half the day plowing on amd64 and that didnt work out. eventually ported 6.8.2 to amd64 sid, that worked for X. YMMV on 32bit tho. |
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| 19:09.42 | pm_ | how can i force the user to change his passwd when he logs in a samba server? |
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| 19:10.30 | GloX | /var/cache/debconf/config.dat: 1463 |
| 19:10.33 | AstralSin | whats the deal with unrar? I cant seem to find a legit source for it |
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| 19:11.01 | Jymmm | Does anyone remember/know what iI need to to make console use FP by chance? |
| 19:11.11 | S4nD3r | I have a server running samba, NIS, NFS, squid and my firewall is blocking NIS+NFS, I dont know how to free those ? |
| 19:11.38 | secher | AstralSin: unrar is non-free, unrar-free is in main, but does not work as well as unrar |
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| 19:12.01 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 19:12.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 19:12.05 | abrotman | !tell AstralSin about non-free |
| 19:12.27 | cbr | !rar |
| 19:12.27 | dpkg | [rar] an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 19:12.28 | lindi- | AstralSin: you'r much better off by just asking the sender to use some other format :/ |
| 19:12.47 | AstralSin | hmm |
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| 19:13.59 | AstralSin | ok, then, thanks guys |
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| 19:15.18 | DaveLib | hello i am trying to backport tomboy from etch to my sarge installation |
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| 19:15.58 | DaveLib | before i continue i wanted to understand more about libraries and backports generally |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | tomcat ? |
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| 19:16.39 | stew | DaveLib: do you have a specific question? |
| 19:16.48 | DaveLib | tomboy a note taking application a small easy to use wiki on your desktop a gnome app |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:17.10 | abrotman | !tell DaveLib about simple sid backport |
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| 19:17.43 | DaveLib | i tried the instructions from factoid simple sid backport here #debian and it failed some libraries were missing |
| 19:18.06 | stew | DaveLib: what libraries? |
| 19:18.12 | S4nD3r | I dont know how to discover ports used to services.... |
| 19:18.15 | DaveLib | wyzard|TP here in #debian told me tomboy depends on mono |
| 19:19.01 | mrverbose | anyone doing onlinebanking via hbci with a chipcard on debian? |
| 19:19.13 | DaveLib | stew: i would have to repeat the instructions i tried the backport the other night and the error messages wrote into my shell scrolled away by now |
| 19:19.24 | stew | DaveLib: it does, but that can't be the problem, you would already have libmono-dev installed |
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| 19:19.49 | stew | DaveLib: what version does "apt-cache policy libmono-dev" say for Installed: ? |
| 19:19.51 | DaveLib | but wyzard told me i probabvly need to find an etch mono backport to sarge |
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| 19:20.09 | stew | !info libmono-dev sarge |
| 19:20.15 | stew | oh, doesn't exist |
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| 19:20.57 | stew | DaveLib: then yes, you will need to backport the mono source and install libmono-dev before attempting the backport of tomboy |
| 19:21.10 | DaveLib | stew: i typed that apt-cache instruction it said not installed |
| 19:21.27 | King_Brad | does anyone know where i can get " vgetty " for the " Voice Mail Server " in debian??? |
| 19:21.33 | DaveLib | i went to backports.org and searched for mono |
| 19:21.38 | stew | DaveLib: yes, i had assumed that you had already successfully run apt-get build-dep tomboy |
| 19:21.50 | diana | stew: any ideas or no? |
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| 19:22.13 | stew | diana: there are other cli mp3 players, but i can't think of them off teh top of my head |
| 19:22.14 | DaveLib | stew: actually i think i tried that the build-dep step and that was the step with the error message |
| 19:22.20 | GloX | stew, any idea on what may be wrong with apt on that server, or should I just blame the previous sysadmin ? :) |
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| 19:22.37 | chris_ | i know tidy will format html files but is there a formatter for JavaScript files? |
| 19:22.39 | stew | GloX: what does "fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" (as root) return? |
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| 19:22.59 | GloX | I already pasted "/var/cache/debconf/config.dat: 1463" |
| 19:23.00 | GloX | :) |
| 19:23.10 | DaveLib | anyway when i searched for mono at backports.org it gave me a huge list of all sorts of sublibraries |
| 19:23.34 | stew | GloX: then you do in fact have a debconf process running, kill that process and try "apt-get -f install" again |
| 19:24.10 | FreekNL | Hi all, read the "Remote Serial Console HOWTO" and others, but I just dont get it: How do I connect to the serial port? Laptop is attached to server, server has the right settings in /etc/inittab ed. |
| 19:24.14 | stew | DaveLib: was libmono-dev one of them? |
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| 19:24.26 | DaveLib | so i could repeat the bu8ild-dep tomboy command and see the error message what libraries missing and try to backport them but might they ask for more libraries and i will keep manully backtracing like that |
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| 19:24.39 | lindi- | FreekNL: use something like minicom on the other side |
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| 19:25.00 | stew | DaveLib: if mono is already backported on backports.org, you don't have to backport mono, just install the libmono-dev from backports.org and continue with backporting tomboy |
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| 19:25.16 | GloX | hmm, there seems to be a debconf process running on one of the terminals, but if I kill it via ssh, it starts again |
| 19:25.27 | FreekNL | lindi-, ok, but after I have set minicom to use the same portspeed, COMport etc, what do I do to get the output on in minicom?! |
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| 19:25.44 | shad0w1e | will GNOME run in 64mb without a swap? |
| 19:25.50 | stew | GloX: kill the parent process |
| 19:25.56 | DaveLib | stew: thanks! |
| 19:26.20 | lindi- | FreekNL: hit enter :) |
| 19:26.37 | FreekNL | cant be true |
| 19:26.47 | DaveLib | must leave computer for a minute marking /away |
| 19:26.51 | jetscreamer | shad0w1e: you don't really want to |
| 19:27.01 | jetscreamer | try icewm or *.box or xfce4 |
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| 19:27.24 | FreekNL | lindi-, nothing happens when I start mincom (and press enter) from the laptop.. |
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| 19:27.26 | shad0w1e | is xfce4 really lighter than GNOME? |
| 19:27.31 | VaMpIrO | t |
| 19:27.54 | somePriest | bushito : Have you gotten it working yet, the ati card? |
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| 19:28.12 | FreekNL | isnt there a more low level way to check if the cable is actualy working? (like concattenating some random stuff to /dev/ttyS0 on the server) while having minicom open or something in that fasion? |
| 19:28.18 | somePriest | nixie : If fglrx and 6.9 don't play nicely, how does one install fglrx? Maybe they can't? |
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| 19:28.28 | rend | i did # apt-get dist-upgrade... but it stopped in the middle of installing |
| 19:28.39 | stew | FreekNL: are you using a nullmodem cable? one with pins 2 and 3 crossed? |
| 19:28.46 | rend | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.081-1_i386.deb |
| 19:28.56 | GloX | omg |
| 19:28.56 | GloX | root 3611 0.0 0.1 2504 1016 pts/0 S+ 22:28 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Debian Configuration --title Debian base system configuration --output-fd |
| 19:28.56 | GloX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.56 | GloX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.57 | King_Brad | when i do apt-get dist-upgrade is just goes to the next line, doesnt install anything... |
| 19:28.58 | stew | rend: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:29.13 | GloX | hmm sorry |
| 19:29.13 | rend | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 19:29.26 | stew | rend: you need to install a 2.6.12-1 or newer kernel |
| 19:29.37 | FreekNL | stew, I am using a default Cisco cable: two male comports on both ends |
| 19:29.41 | King_Brad | can i upgrade my kernel via apt-get ? |
| 19:29.51 | cisse | kingbrad: course |
| 19:29.55 | FreekNL | King_Brad, ofcource! |
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| 19:29.58 | rend | stew: i think i saw it installing a diff kernel.. do i have to reboot? |
| 19:30.03 | King_Brad | cisse, is thier a guide i can read? |
| 19:30.06 | stew | FreekNL: does a default Cisco cable have pins 2 and 3 crossed? |
| 19:30.26 | stew | rend: you need to install a 2.6.12 kernel first |
| 19:30.41 | stew | rend: it wouldn't install a 2.6.12 kernel without you asking it to |
| 19:30.42 | FreekNL | King_Brad, "apt-get upgrade kernel-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 19:30.54 | stew | King_Brad: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 19:31.00 | FreekNL | stew, sorry, I dont have a clue. |
| 19:31.24 | stew | FreekNL: upgrade doens't take a pacakge name as an argument |
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| 19:32.13 | rend | so should i do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 ? |
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| 19:32.51 | stew | rend: no, they are renamed linux-image now; unless you actually have a 486 and not something newer you will want to get a different one |
| 19:32.58 | stew | rend: your apt-get might be broken however |
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| 19:33.02 | stew | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 19:33.02 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
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| 19:33.30 | ZiDaNe | On Etch I just installed a new kernel, unstable version (2.6.15-1-686), but my sound isn't working, I tried alsaconf to load necessary modules and without effect |
| 19:33.33 | rend | stew.. lots of stuff are broken now :( |
| 19:33.34 | ZiDaNe | how to repair that? |
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| 19:33.38 | stew | !udev 2.6.12 =~ s#pacakges.debian.org#ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/# |
| 19:33.38 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'pacakges.debian.org' |
| 19:33.39 | diana | !cli shoutcast client |
| 19:33.53 | stew | !udev 2.6.12 =~ s#packages.debian.org#ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/# |
| 19:33.53 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 19:33.56 | FreekNL | stew, anyways, IF everything is set up right (meaning: using the rigt cable, settings identical on both systems) than just starting minicom would be enough? |
| 19:33.59 | mhalcrow | I set up software RAID root when I installed a Debian box (/boot is on a non-RAID partition). If I decide to move the drives around on their physical IDE connections, do I need to do anything additional in order for Debian to mount root? |
| 19:34.21 | gAri- | hello there. Is there any efficient way to find out the program that consumes the most memory/cpu/hdd? My box is constant at loads as high as 4.00. By the way how any info about the way those loads are computed? |
| 19:34.30 | stew | FreekNL: yes, do you show a getty process attached the the serial port? |
| 19:34.35 | FreekNL | mhalcrow, you will need the raid drivers availiable at boottime, either compilled in or in your inital ram disk |
| 19:34.42 | GloX | they seem not to have run the debian configuration utility, now it starts up with the server .. any way to disable it ? |
| 19:34.54 | starfishy | gari-: use top |
| 19:35.04 | mhalcrow | FreekML: But the fact that the partition that was /dev/hdb2 may now be /dev/hde2 is not a problem, right? |
| 19:35.17 | SSL | !cli apache |
| 19:35.27 | stew | gAri-: load of 4 means that at any given time the process scheduler has 4 different process that are all vying for cpu time |
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| 19:35.43 | FreekNL | stew, not shure if I understand you correctly, but there is an entry in /etc/inittab saying: c:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS0 |
| 19:36.06 | stew | FreekNL: and is there a mgetty running? |
| 19:36.20 | FreekNL | mhalcrow, no, but tell the system that too ;-) edit /etc/fstab to match your new configuration (aka, location of swap, root fs etc) |
| 19:36.26 | stew | gAri-: if you don't see an obvios reason in top (also looking at top sorted by memory(M)), then check for disk io using vmstat |
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| 19:36.42 | FreekNL | stew, no |
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| 19:36.48 | rend | what is a console app for burning a cd? |
| 19:37.00 | Neverth | cdw |
| 19:37.02 | diana | !tell rend about cdrecord |
| 19:37.08 | stew | FreekNL: wait, mgetty is for modems |
| 19:37.11 | mhalcrow | FreekNL: The fstab has /dev/md0 as the root partition. I am wondering if the kernel software RAID will be able to associate all the devices to create the /dev/md0 after I re-arrange the drives. |
| 19:37.16 | diana | cdw is awful, just use cdrecord |
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| 19:37.52 | stew | FreekNL: your inittab should have "Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal)", uncomment one of the following two lines |
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| 19:38.12 | cyberix | I have created a piece of software and probably created a working Ubuntu package of it. |
| 19:38.17 | FreekNL | mhalcrow, yes, software raid should look at an unique identifier on the disks (like LVM) and not at the physical device name |
| 19:38.21 | stew | FreekNL: something like "T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100" |
| 19:38.26 | cyberix | I just can't find out what I should do with it now |
| 19:38.35 | cyberix | I published it on my web page |
| 19:38.43 | cyberix | Along with the packaging patch |
| 19:38.55 | mhalcrow | FreekNL: Okay, thanks for the help. |
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| 19:39.55 | DaveLib | stew: i found a binary libmono-dev package on backports.org . so i sould just install that package like a regular install and then repeat on tomboy the instructions from factoid simple sid backport ? |
| 19:40.06 | Goshawk | hi, my debian server crashed, now it's rebooting, when i'll login with ssh how can i see what was the problem? |
| 19:40.10 | FreekNL | stew, uncommanded one of the rules (T0), getty is running now |
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| 19:40.16 | stew | cyberix: if you want the pacakge to be in debian, you need to find a maintainer for the pacakge. if you yourself want to be the maintainer, you will need to find a sponsor to upload it for you, you might post to the debian-mentors list to try to find a sponsor |
| 19:40.27 | stew | DaveLib: yes |
| 19:40.34 | DaveLib | stew: tanks! |
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| 19:40.35 | diana | !tell Goshawk about logs |
| 19:40.41 | Haukkari | How do I change the default Window Manager for KDM? |
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| 19:41.06 | Haukkari | Anyone? |
| 19:41.07 | FreekNL | Haukkari, "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" |
| 19:41.12 | Haukkari | FreekNL: ah, thanks. :D |
| 19:41.39 | diana | FreekNL: I don't think that's what he wants. |
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| 19:42.18 | Haukkari | hmm |
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| 19:42.21 | Haukkari | that might be true |
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| 19:42.27 | FreekNL | Haukkari, you will run the same debconf util that was used during install, you can always reconfigure installed packages by using the "dpgk-reconfigure -p low <package name>" |
| 19:42.33 | thisbullet | hey can some one help me with a partition magic question |
| 19:42.44 | FreekNL | Haukkari, if you still need to install kdm: apt-get install kdm |
| 19:42.56 | Haukkari | FreekNL: yeah, but doesn't reconfiguring kdm only decide whether I use KDM or GDM |
| 19:43.06 | Haukkari | FreekNL: not which windowmanager I log in to by default |
| 19:43.08 | thisbullet | i resized a partition and when i reboot partition magic cant find xmmnt2005.exe or some shit. how can i fix this |
| 19:43.14 | thisbullet | or bypass it |
| 19:43.28 | FreekNL | Haukkari, what do you what than, configure KDM in general? |
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| 19:43.58 | Haukkari | Well, there's the entry, "Default" in KDM. That's the last wm user logged into or Gnome. |
| 19:44.06 | Haukkari | I have KDE installed also, and I really would want that to be the default. |
| 19:44.18 | FreekNL | Haukkari, if you wich to 'permanently' choose your window manager, you can just select your favorite wm from the list in the KDM menu's. |
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| 19:44.52 | Haukkari | FreekNL: yeah, but the thing is, the computer is used by 200 users who don't know how to change the wm and will go absolutely nuts and panic if they see the horrible thing that is Gnome. |
| 19:44.57 | FreekNL | Haukkari, ok, I get it. Perhaps kde is not installed correctly, make shure you installed "kdebase" |
| 19:45.06 | Haukkari | KDE works fine, too. |
| 19:45.22 | FreekNL | Haukkari, no test machine? |
| 19:45.27 | GloX | is there any way to remove the debian configuration tool .. it's starting with my server (dedicated) ... they seem to have forgotten it |
| 19:45.29 | Haukkari | Just that you have to select it from the menu, or by default you go to Gnome... |
| 19:45.38 | Haukkari | FreekNL: it's a test machine, which we should sync to 20 other machines when we get it done. |
| 19:45.44 | stew | GloX: which configuration tool? |
| 19:45.54 | FreekNL | Haukkari, you could also educate your users or use the old-school way of configuring your wm's (or let users do it their selves) |
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| 19:46.13 | stew | GloX: are you still trying to kill the debconf that is running? |
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| 19:46.36 | GloX | stew, yes |
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| 19:46.45 | stew | GloX: did you try killing the parent process? |
| 19:46.59 | GloX | it seems to be the configuration utility that is run on reboot after install |
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| 19:47.04 | FreekNL | Haukkari, 10.4 Customizing your X startup: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-X.html |
| 19:47.05 | GloX | I just rebooted the whole thing |
| 19:47.12 | GloX | and it fired up again |
| 19:47.21 | Katabroc | I need to delete some files, can I delete this folder -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.12 ??? |
| 19:47.26 | GloX | seems that the company this server is rented from, forgot to finish the install |
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| 19:47.33 | stew | GloX: is "base-config" running? |
| 19:47.38 | stew | GloX: get them to finish it then |
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| 19:47.42 | GloX | hmm |
| 19:47.47 | GloX | any way to do it myself ? |
| 19:47.51 | GloX | I only have ssh access |
| 19:48.07 | stew | GloX: yes, run base-config after you kill theirs |
| 19:48.25 | dood | hi guys, all of a sudden, the emu10k1 can't load for my audigy card, modprobe complains that the device can't be found and such but it's there in lspci |
| 19:48.39 | dood | is there something i'm missing? |
| 19:48.41 | chealer_ | Katabroc: it depends on what's in it |
| 19:48.48 | GloX | I can't kill it stew, seems to auto-restart |
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| 19:48.57 | Haukkari | FreekNL: thanks |
| 19:49.05 | Katabroc | chealer_, source files from kernel , i think |
| 19:49.07 | FreekNL | Haukkari, did that help at all? |
| 19:49.13 | bunghole | I am unsure if its debian related, but I require a software package that is capable of doing college level algebra, basically similar calculation functinos as a TI(Texas Instruments)-89 or TI-92/93. Or a graphing calculator for linux that where you can input the problem, and it shows you step by step (steps so you can learn). |
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| 19:49.34 | Haukkari | FreekNL: I don't know.. reading right now |
| 19:49.42 | Haukkari | FreekNL: seems like it's for one user only... |
| 19:49.43 | FreekNL | Haukkari, you can manualy set the wm for all users (/etc/*) or for some users in their home dir's .xsession etc.) |
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| 19:49.56 | bunghole | Would anyone know of such a software, I have searched google and tried a bunch of calculator programs but none offer the features I reequire |
| 19:50.04 | chealer_ | Katabroc: so, ask your administrator if he wants to keep that |
| 19:50.07 | bunghole | I thought maybe someone knows of a more obscure one |
| 19:50.11 | stew | GloX: what is the name of the process you are killing? |
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| 19:50.21 | GloX | /bin/sh /usr/sbin/base-config -i |
| 19:50.28 | FreekNL | Haukkari, I use Wings display manager "wdm", its simple arguably ugly but lets you choose your wm! |
| 19:50.32 | stew | GloX: if they were supposed to install debian for you, why don't you let them finish the install for you? |
| 19:50.43 | GloX | It's not my server |
| 19:50.45 | Haukkari | FreekNL: yeah. =) |
| 19:50.45 | triple5 | hi, I was here yesterday, not being able to recover my password remotely, now I have a rescue image on the server, how can I recover the password for root? |
| 19:50.47 | Katabroc | chealer_, ok, thank u! |
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| 19:50.52 | GloX | I'm just installing a few services for a friend |
| 19:50.59 | cisse | triple5: just change it |
| 19:51.02 | triple5 | I have just deleted the shadow entry |
| 19:51.12 | Haukkari | Does anyone remember what was the Window Manager that looked a whole lot like Windows 2000/XP? |
| 19:51.13 | stew | GloX: if they were supposed to install debian for your friend, why don't you let them finish the install for your friend? |
| 19:51.14 | GloX | the other server is working fine, but this one is rather resisting :) |
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| 19:51.21 | cisse | the whole thing, or just the password section triple5 ? |
| 19:51.24 | GloX | ok, I'll tell him |
| 19:51.25 | triple5 | when I change the password it will only change it for the rescue image cisse |
| 19:51.31 | diana | stew: mplayer works...I should have thought or this before, heh. |
| 19:51.34 | triple5 | I have just changed the password section |
| 19:51.42 | cisse | triple5: you have to mount your root partition first, then change it on /etc/shadow on your root partition |
| 19:51.46 | GloX | but there is no way to kill the whole thing and do it myself ? |
| 19:51.52 | stew | diana: may I pm you? |
| 19:51.54 | epsilon | .oO (I hate linux I hate linux I hate linux I hate linux) |
| 19:51.59 | ft | Haukkari: fvwm has got a theme that really looks a lot like windowsXP |
| 19:51.59 | triple5 | the long field after the colon, I have changed |
| 19:52.01 | diana | stew: sure |
| 19:52.04 | triple5 | killed it |
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| 19:52.14 | epsilon | compiled 2.6.15.2 and forgot to include the sound card |
| 19:52.28 | epsilon | now it's so quiet |
| 19:52.34 | ongeboren | hi, what would be the easiest way to recover my root password ? I'm using grub |
| 19:52.41 | triple5 | I know, I mounted it mount -o proc .... |
| 19:52.57 | Haukkari | ft: xpde was the one |
| 19:53.09 | epsilon | ongeboren: boot the box with a live-CD, mount the partition with /etc, edit passwd/shadow/group whatever manually |
| 19:53.22 | somePriest | bushito : ? Did you get your ATI card working? |
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| 19:53.24 | triple5 | hi ongeboren I am on the same situation, but in a different way... |
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| 19:53.45 | ongeboren | epsilon, i have the debian install cd.. can I use it ? |
| 19:53.59 | triple5 | ongeboren: no |
| 19:54.04 | BibTeX | hello, did anyonw install a SARGE on a Toshiba Satellite M70-169 |
| 19:54.04 | BibTeX | ? |
| 19:54.18 | ongeboren | before there were tricks like init=/bin/bash.. isn't it working anymore ? |
| 19:54.30 | epsilon | ongeboren: *maybe*, if you can mount /etc and edit... |
| 19:54.49 | epsilon | ongeboren: but I use knoppix for these kind of jobs |
| 19:54.59 | triple5 | ongeboren: use a knoppix disk or just keep pressing a key combination while booting, I think Alt-Esc until a little thing comes: please enter new root password... |
| 19:55.31 | triple5 | epsilon, how do I change the shadow manually? |
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| 19:55.55 | triple5 | do I have to delete the whole line for root or just the bit that represents the password? |
| 19:55.56 | diana | ongeboren: Just go into grub, and press e, and edit the line where the kernel boots and add -single at the end of the line. |
| 19:56.02 | stew | ongeboren: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 19:56.10 | epsilon | triple5: once pass is erased, *IIRC* you should be get a prompt at boot to enter new password |
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| 19:56.25 | BibTeX | While making the NETWORK Installation from the CD, the driver for the hard disk is not found |
| 19:56.29 | BibTeX | what do you think? |
| 19:56.30 | epsilon | triple5: just that scrambled password part |
| 19:56.35 | ronove | how can I get an "active processes list" in cmdline? |
| 19:56.36 | triple5 | epsilon, the machine is remote |
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| 19:56.45 | Chance | stew any can you tell me wich is the most stable and secure kernel from debian between series 2.6? |
| 19:56.56 | epsilon | triple5: bad |
| 19:57.13 | Chance | -any |
| 19:57.18 | triple5 | when I rebooted it did'nt work, I entered just ENTER for root password and it didn't want it. |
| 19:57.22 | epsilon | Chance: the one in apt source |
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| 19:57.31 | humboldt | I want to apt-get remove ppp package but apt wants to remove a million other packages as well. how can I make it just remove the packages I want, ignoring the dependencies? |
| 19:57.44 | diana | !grub.root |
| 19:57.45 | dpkg | [grub.root] recovering your machine after you forgot your password, or if you stole someone's laptop and don't want to reformat. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-rescuemode-booting-single.html |
| 19:57.51 | ft | Haukkari: <http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/full/redmondxp.jpg> that's the theme I meant, ignore it if you found what you wanted :) |
| 19:57.52 | diana | ongeboren: use that link. |
| 19:58.01 | Chance | epsilon and wich is that one ? i now have 2.6.8-2-k7-smp is this one ok ? |
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| 19:58.12 | stew | Chance: 2.6.8-2 version 2.6.8-16sarge1 |
| 19:58.18 | diana | humboldt: dpkg -r ppp |
| 19:58.25 | fcn | howto install e17 on debian? |
| 19:58.35 | epsilon | Chance: how "stable" do you need the kernel to be? |
| 19:58.40 | stew | Chance: what version does dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp say it is? |
| 19:58.48 | humboldt | and if I want to do something more like apt-get remove --purge ?? |
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| 19:58.59 | epsilon | Chance: desktop rebooted every day or server rebooted once new kernel is out? |
| 19:59.05 | diana | !tell fcn about ask |
| 19:59.14 | Chance | stew 2.6.8-12 |
| 19:59.23 | triple5 | diana, which link should I use for the same problem on a remote machine, I have a rescue system and can mount and edit /etc/shadow |
| 19:59.31 | Chance | epsilon it's not a desktop one it's a server dedicated one apache... |
| 19:59.32 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp stable |
| 19:59.34 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7 SMP.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 14763 kB, Installed size: 44208 kB |
| 19:59.40 | diana | triple5: no way to do it, you need physical access. |
| 19:59.51 | stew | Chance: that isn't the latest, you should "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp" |
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| 20:00.01 | epsilon | Chance: if you do not require 2.6 feature, take 2.4 series |
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| 20:01.40 | ft | fcn: e17 isn't out... |
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| 20:02.23 | triple5 | don't tell me I need physical access the hosts for the server told me that there is a way to reset root password, the system now runs on a rescue image and I can mount and modify anything as root, but when I logged back in it wouldn't work. can I copy the password from the shadow entry (for example I know the password of unprivileged_user, could I copy that value?) |
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| 20:02.46 | stew | epsilon: IME 2.4 kernels were far less stable for -k7-SMP |
| 20:03.17 | ongeboren | diana, thanks, but after appending single.. it's just the maintenance mode.. it still asks for a password |
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| 20:03.38 | paolo | hello i need one information |
| 20:03.48 | paolo | i installed gnu/linux on the pc |
| 20:03.52 | SerajewelKS | !ask |
| 20:03.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:03.57 | stew | triple5: if you can read /etc/shadow, and you have a good idea of what the password might be, you can easily try lots of alternatives with mkpasswd until you get a match |
| 20:04.24 | paolo | and after installed all gone ok, but if i want visualize dvd it's impossible for me |
| 20:04.39 | Chance | thanks stew |
| 20:04.50 | paolo | it says that are necessary proprietary plug-in what does mean ? |
| 20:05.06 | stew | Chance: you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list, right? |
| 20:05.07 | thingfish | !tell paolo about marillat |
| 20:05.35 | Chance | stew yes i'`ve put it in deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:05.50 | thingfish | paolo: perhaps you still need libdvdcss2 and the other libdvd* packages. |
| 20:06.57 | gAri- | stew: thank you for your help |
| 20:07.37 | stew | gAri-: did you figure it out? |
| 20:07.49 | gAri- | not yet |
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| 20:08.02 | gAri- | sometimes load is about 0.1 sometimes up to 4 |
| 20:08.05 | stew | gAri-: is your load high now? |
| 20:08.11 | gAri- | its an ordinary webserver |
| 20:08.17 | diana | ongeboren: Just type "passwd" |
| 20:08.22 | hcy | dondelelcaro: you here now? |
| 20:08.36 | gAri- | its 3 actually |
| 20:08.43 | stew | gAri-: next time it is high, run "vmstat 1", and watch the si/so/di/do columns, (ignore the first line) |
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| 20:09.08 | stew | gAri-: if so is non-zero you are swapping |
| 20:09.40 | stew | gAri-: err bi/bo, not di/do. and those two columns are disk access, if there is lots of disk access going on, that would explain a high load that doesn't show up in top |
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| 20:10.36 | gAri- | how does it calculate load based on disk access? |
| 20:10.54 | gAri- | most of bo is 0 |
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| 20:10.58 | gAri- | but sometimes 200-300 |
| 20:11.18 | gAri- | bi is rarely 0, average is 300, sometimes up to 2000 |
| 20:11.48 | stew | gAri-: if there is always a thread wanted to get scheduled in order to read from the disk or write to the disk, it contributes to load, but doesn't show up in top as its part of the kernel, not part of a process |
| 20:11.48 | gAri- | si/so is 0 |
| 20:11.59 | gAri- | uhum |
| 20:12.06 | gAri- | I'm thinking about mysql mostly |
| 20:12.14 | stew | gAri-: then your load is high becuase its trying to read from the disk faster than the disk can serve up the info |
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| 20:12.25 | RPGmaker | hi a todos |
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| 20:12.33 | RPGmaker | tengo problemas con sonido en debian |
| 20:12.36 | stew | gAri-: time to switch to scsi if you arean't already there |
| 20:12.43 | gAri- | not yet |
| 20:12.45 | snikker | i've got a problem with apt-cdrom ident... dvd not detected... |
| 20:12.47 | gAri- | its a low cost but production box |
| 20:12.52 | dark_light | ae RPGmaker |
| 20:12.52 | dark_light | ops |
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| 20:12.58 | eefwak | mith |
| 20:12.59 | stew | gAri-: congrats, you just outgrew it :) |
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| 20:13.05 | gAri- | thanks! |
| 20:13.13 | gAri- | actually its raid1 |
| 20:13.22 | mrverbose | how can i make a permanent symlink with udev? |
| 20:13.23 | gAri- | its two 7200 rpm disks in raid0 |
| 20:13.25 | RPGmaker | i have problemas with the sound on debian |
| 20:13.34 | RPGmaker | the dialogue is this |
| 20:13.35 | RPGmaker | ........ |
| 20:13.40 | mrverbose | the problem is, its a link to a serial port something it will not detect automatically |
| 20:13.42 | gAri- | I'm wondering how much will it help if we go raid 1 + 0 by putting 2 other drives in |
| 20:13.48 | mrverbose | the device at the serial port i mean |
| 20:14.02 | stew | gAri-: latency is likely what is killing you, raid0 doesn't help in latency, only in throughput |
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| 20:14.16 | gAri- | hmm never tought about latency wow |
| 20:14.21 | RPGmaker | ''failed to open audio output: OSS controller 1.2.10" |
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| 20:14.35 | cisse | raid1 can decrease latency |
| 20:14.35 | RPGmaker | who can tell em what to do? |
| 20:14.37 | gAri- | you say all ide drives have big latencys? is it some HDD parameter I should be aware of? |
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| 20:14.51 | cisse | gAri-: latency is seek time + access time |
| 20:14.58 | eefwak | !seen me |
| 20:14.58 | dpkg | me <n=me@wblv-146-214-129.telkomadsl.co.za> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 70d 18h 47m 22s ago, saying: '#ubuntu'. |
| 20:15.03 | eefwak | !seen helix |
| 20:15.03 | dpkg | helix is currently on #debian (1d 4h 25m 26s) #debian-ops (1d 4h 25m 26s) |
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| 20:15.22 | ongeboren | diana, what are talking about? I can't login to change the pass :) |
| 20:15.32 | stew | gAri-: if your disks have 5 ms seek latency, for instance, and you are seeing it trying to do 300->2000 reads in a second, then you can see why its not keeping up |
| 20:15.42 | Goshawk | it seems that everyday ad 6:26 a script is executed ( i cheched in /etc/cron/daily with cat /etc/cron/daily/* | grep "su" but it doesn't find anything strange) how can i find that script? |
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| 20:16.04 | RPGmaker | no one can help me? |
| 20:16.09 | diana | ongeboren: Just boot into rescue mode, and passwd |
| 20:16.29 | RPGmaker | i seems that is a problem very basic but i dont have idea of what controller switch or where |
| 20:16.43 | lindi- | Goshawk: strace -p `pidof cron` -f -e execve at 6:26 to see what cron executes |
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| 20:16.57 | hollenjf | are there any advantages of using a linux box as a router, over a hardware router (e.g Linksys, or Dlink)? |
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| 20:17.47 | astronut | yes |
| 20:17.47 | astronut | err, hollenjf yes |
| 20:17.47 | Goshawk | lindi-, thanks :D |
| 20:17.47 | RPGmaker | (and excuse me, my matern language is spanish) |
| 20:17.47 | Canadian | i'm having trouble with EXIM installing. it give ma an error about a missing file. |
| 20:17.47 | cisse | hollenjf: much more configurable and scalable, but you should really use openbsd |
| 20:17.47 | lindi- | hollenjf: you can run tcpdump, squid, snort |
| 20:17.47 | astronut | abrotman: i signed the petition |
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| 20:17.48 | lindi- | hollenjf: or IRC client :) |
| 20:17.48 | ronin | RPGmaker: there is a spanish debian channel |
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| 20:17.49 | ronin | !es |
| 20:17.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:17.49 | astronut | !es |
| 20:17.49 | streuner | cisse: /j #openbsd |
| 20:17.50 | abrotman | astronut: i saw .. thank you |
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| 20:17.57 | cisse | streuner: =P |
| 20:17.58 | astronut | abrotman: i wish i could go |
| 20:18.00 | RPGmaker | in this same server? |
| 20:18.04 | abrotman | astronut: you could |
| 20:18.05 | gAri- | stew: thanks a lot for your help |
| 20:18.07 | astronut | RPGmaker: yes |
| 20:18.09 | astronut | abrotman: can't |
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| 20:18.12 | justinsmithies | Spamassassin question. I have got it working with amavis and postfix etc . I sent myself the test spam and it picked it up ok. But why does Spamassassin not mark the sources of my emails with X-spamassassin and the email scores on all emails ? |
| 20:18.13 | astronut | abrotman: exams and such |
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| 20:18.14 | abrotman | astronut: why not ? |
| 20:18.21 | abrotman | astronut: and it's mother's day! |
| 20:18.25 | astronut | abrotman: ^^ |
| 20:18.48 | rambo3 | is there any manual for how to use grub-disk to create bootable floppy |
| 20:18.55 | scoates | hi. I'm trying to configure Postfix/Cyrus according to http://www.web-cyradm.org/documentation/debian_sarge-cyrus-howto.pdf -- when finished, I can't use cyradm properly. saslpasswd2 works fine, but I always get "application-specific initialization failed: authentication failed" when trying to cyradm -- help? |
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| 20:19.08 | stew | gAri-: your other option is to try to limit the number of mysql queries that are happening, make some static webpages that are periodically updated out of some dynamic ones, or use an inward proxy on apache |
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| 20:19.50 | Goshawk | lindi-, but i can't do that since i'm sleeping at that time and since it access as: an 24 06:26:39 localhost su[14081]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 20:19.51 | Goshawk | Jan 24 06:26:39 localhost su[14081]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) and frooze my server |
| 20:19.55 | astronut | abrotman: it's AP/IB exams |
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| 20:20.04 | lindi- | Goshawk: use "at" to time it :) |
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| 20:20.06 | Canadian | is there any current issues with the exim package? |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | astronut: skip them .. better if you don't take them |
| 20:20.12 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:20.12 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:20.24 | eefwak | !seen sussudio |
| 20:20.25 | dpkg | sussudio <i=suss@unaffiliated/sussudio> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 8h 18m 51s ago, saying: '!bear jm_'. |
| 20:20.36 | eefwak | !seen troubled |
| 20:20.36 | dpkg | troubled <troubled@troubled.sustaining.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 272d 16h 22m 23s ago, saying: 'and the peasants rejoice!'. |
| 20:20.49 | abrotman | eefwak: /msg dpkg seen eefwak |
| 20:20.59 | thingfish | is that kawfee? |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:21.05 | eefwak | shhh |
| 20:21.06 | scoates | ... is there a better channel to discuss cyrus/sasl ? |
| 20:21.08 | abrotman | !ops eefwak seems to be kawfee |
| 20:21.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: eefwak seems to be kawfee |
| 20:21.08 | eefwak | be quiet |
| 20:21.24 | diana | im a big nerdface |
| 20:21.24 | eefwak | thingfish: Do I know you? |
| 20:21.34 | cisse | scoates: the postfix wiki has some awesome docs on cyrus/sasl |
| 20:21.37 | eefwak | abrotman: do I know you? |
| 20:21.40 | abrotman | !kawfee |
| 20:21.40 | dpkg | hmm... kawfee is KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier, or see also smartass |
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| 20:21.53 | scoates | cisee: I'll check it out; thanks. |
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| 20:22.11 | justinsmithies | no spamassassin people here ? Cant find what im looking for on there site |
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| 20:22.22 | abrotman | how the hell did that ban get removed ? |
| 20:22.24 | ronin | justinsmithies: tried the sa channel? |
| 20:22.38 | justinsmithies | sa channel on what irc server |
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| 20:22.45 | eefwak | abrotman: It didn't. I'm evading. |
| 20:22.49 | ronin | freenode most likely |
| 20:22.51 | Canadian | so my problem isnt' listed in the bug report. |
| 20:22.52 | humboldt | I want to use ipsec on my machine. I am connecting to a Nortel IPSEC VPN gateway which will authenticate me via username and password. Are there any certificates involved that I don't know of? |
| 20:22.56 | justinsmithies | thanks |
| 20:23.15 | eefwak | abrotman: I don't deserved to be banned anyways. I'ma good boy. |
| 20:23.19 | stew | eefwak: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:23.26 | abrotman | no .. the ban is still there |
| 20:23.26 | cisse | humboldt: depends on how you have ipsec setup, ask your admin |
| 20:23.57 | astronut | abrotman: ya right...if i can shave a semester off, that's like 20k |
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| 20:24.42 | triple5 | stew, thangs for the help, I found that I can edit /mnt/hda2/etc/shadow but I didn't pay attention when I saved and quit, it might have not saved it, when I rebooted I had the normal system with the old (unknown) password I have to get on the rescue system again... |
| 20:24.53 | triple5 | s/thangs/thanks/g |
| 20:25.00 | humboldt | cisse: Well, this is hard to tell. There is no admin I could ask such a question. Somebody some time set the thing up for them and that's it. However, I can access the device and check the config. What should I look for? |
| 20:25.02 | Canadian | has anyone had trouble with exim missing files on install? |
| 20:25.07 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 20:25.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 20:25.23 | Canadian | oh. |
| 20:25.25 | Canadian | thanks |
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| 20:26.07 | triple5 | finally, hi kawfee |
| 20:26.08 | kspath | I love the small 40MB netinstall iso image burned to little business card CDRs. /me hugs his copy of the 40MB Debian netinstall iso on Mini-CDR |
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| 20:26.21 | sm | hi all |
| 20:26.36 | cisse | muboldt: not familiar with that vendor/model, i would try to see if you're doing straight up user/pass authentication or if you're using PKI with a CA and individual user certs that are password protected |
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| 20:26.49 | sm | I just upgraded to exim4, and I thought I asked for one big conf file but it has done the opposite. Now I don't see that question again, how do I change it ? |
| 20:27.17 | cisse | sm: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 is where i would look first |
| 20:27.21 | humboldt | cisse: I downloaded the Nortel/Apani client for Mac OSX and it works there just with username and password. Now I want to make it work in Linux. |
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| 20:27.34 | sm | cisse, didn't help.. I tried --priority low and --priority high |
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| 20:27.51 | cisse | humboldt: ah, hrm you might be able to get isakmpd working |
| 20:27.57 | cisse | sm: <shrug> don't use exim |
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| 20:28.17 | triple5 | cisse courier? |
| 20:28.18 | chealer_ | !drec sm |
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| 20:28.27 | chealer_ | !drec |
| 20:28.27 | dpkg | hmm... drec is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
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| 20:28.39 | linuxboyfriend | how much minimum amount of debian cds i require to download so that i can install base-system+kde+openoffice? |
| 20:28.52 | thingfish | linuxboyfriend: no more than the first two. |
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| 20:28.58 | sm | chealer_: yes, didn't ask me the question again |
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| 20:29.07 | sm | oh, sorry |
| 20:29.08 | thingfish | maybe even only the first one, but I'm not sure. |
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| 20:29.20 | sm | I see, thanks! |
| 20:29.28 | triple5 | linuxboyfriend, just need a disk full of stuff and the rest you can directly netinstall |
| 20:29.37 | cisse | triple5: usually |
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| 20:29.54 | linuxboyfriend | themolester: can i see the package list of the cds of debian? |
| 20:30.19 | thingfish | linuxboyfriend: there is a netinstall, too, that's only about 100MB, then you get the rest via apt-get or aptitude using http or ftp. |
| 20:30.39 | linuxboyfriend | themolester: no, i am on a dialup |
| 20:31.00 | thingfish | ok then, you don't want the netinstall. |
| 20:31.13 | humboldt | cisse: so isakmpd is the prefered client implementation? do I need racoon or freeswan installed? |
| 20:31.44 | sm | I've still got many small exim config files |
| 20:31.55 | linuxboyfriend | themolester: can you tell me that where (web) i can see the package list of cds of debian? |
| 20:31.59 | sm | is "no" a proper answer to exim4-config's installer script ? |
| 20:32.10 | weissi | isn't it possible to create your own custom debian-cd using jigdo ? |
| 20:32.55 | gAri- | stew: if I limit the number of mysql queries than some people will have pages not loading I presume |
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| 20:33.11 | diana | !tell weissi about jigdo |
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| 20:33.34 | thingfish | linuxboyfriend: if you're talking to me, and not themolester...I think there is such a site, but I don't know for sure. You know there are about 8000 packages as a part of Debian, right? |
| 20:33.37 | gAri- | stew: I'm wondering how to check in mysql the websites that eat the most queires |
| 20:33.43 | stew | gAri-: no, i meant to figure out a way that the webpages need fewer queries |
| 20:33.55 | gAri- | oh :) |
| 20:34.02 | linuxboyfriend | thingfish: hmm, ok lemme try myself |
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| 20:34.34 | gAri- | maybe if I found the pages making the most queries I can make a decision based on them. like a paying customer, or a friend with some badly written php/sql queries |
| 20:34.37 | thingfish | linuxboyfriend: normally you could browse packages.debian.org, but it's not available currently. |
| 20:34.39 | stew | gAri-: like by caching, or if there are somepages that get accessed very freqeutnly but are actually only updated seldomly, so maybe you could generated a static version of the page every few minutes instead of hitting the database for each access |
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| 20:35.01 | stew | !info mytop |
| 20:35.11 | dpkg | mytop: (top like query monitor for MySQL), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 20:35.13 | stew | gAri-: ^^^ |
| 20:35.39 | stew | gAri-: there is also an mtop, i don't know about either though |
| 20:35.52 | Yogi_van | how do I start a console session (hp switch) through serial port? |
| 20:35.57 | konfuzed | k so im knofuzed about my root passwd - when I rebooted to put in -s for single user mode there was no place or time for me to type the 's' |
| 20:36.14 | konfuzed | how can i boot to single user mode so I can reset the root passwd |
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| 20:36.20 | saftsack | hi |
| 20:36.33 | abrotman | but i told you everything about hylafax! |
| 20:36.44 | starfishy | konfuzed: in single user mode you cannot reset your root password |
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| 20:36.51 | starfishy | that would be a major security hole |
| 20:36.51 | saftsack | abrotman, hi i tried the whole day to get the notifyscript working but it doesnt works :( |
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| 20:37.01 | starfishy | boot from some live cd and change your root password from there |
| 20:37.08 | abrotman | saftsack: i'd email the hylafax mailing list |
| 20:37.19 | konfuzed | what your kidding |
| 20:37.21 | kspath | konfuzed: coming from BSD / SUN world? |
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| 20:37.29 | starfishy | if you boot into single user mode the system will ask for the root password before you can access it |
| 20:37.39 | triple5 | it isn't that hard to reset the root password, there are a lot of people here today that are asking that question |
| 20:37.41 | triple5 | !root |
| 20:37.41 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 20:37.42 | starfishy | no, my name is not kidding |
| 20:37.47 | eguzkia | hello |
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| 20:37.49 | saftsack | in the mailing list netiquette is written, that i should ask the commercial hylafax people if i have a special question |
| 20:37.50 | triple5 | !root password |
| 20:37.55 | eguzkia | someone know .plt files? |
| 20:37.59 | saftsack | and howto write to a mailing list? |
| 20:38.03 | thingfish | konfuzed: have you asked dpkg about 'i forgot root's password'? |
| 20:38.18 | eguzkia | or someone knows .hpgl files? |
| 20:38.19 | starfishy | konfuzed: what good would the whole security stuff be if everyone could change the root pw at will? |
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| 20:38.36 | eguzkia | or something to convert from .jpg to .plt ? |
| 20:38.50 | konfuzed | starfishy: you have to be present in front of the box to boot in single user mode |
| 20:38.55 | triple5 | starfishy: you need physical access! |
| 20:39.01 | starfishy | thats still a security hole |
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| 20:39.04 | dogbix | Can anyone help with a usb-stick install of debian, it's not finding the .iso on the usb-stick. It only seems to want to seach harddrives? |
| 20:39.11 | saftsack | abrotman, just write to this adress? |
| 20:39.13 | saftsack | hylafax-users@hylafax.org |
| 20:39.13 | starfishy | this is why it will not let you into single user without the root pw |
| 20:39.14 | konfuzed | my box i own no security issue |
| 20:39.28 | abrotman | saftsack: whichever is listed on the website |
| 20:39.28 | eguzkia | someone here knows .plt or .hpgl files? |
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| 20:39.38 | starfishy | konfuzed: the software cannot take individual machines into account |
| 20:39.43 | konfuzed | i didnt know that premises security was for single user admin mode |
| 20:39.51 | sm | later, all |
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| 20:39.55 | starfishy | in general its a bad idea to give everyone with physical access a way to hack the system |
| 20:39.56 | humboldt | cisse: what is a p12 certificate? |
| 20:40.18 | triple5 | konfuzed: try http://www.aplawrence.com/Linux/lostlinuxpassword.html |
| 20:40.21 | starfishy | get any live cd and change the root pw from there |
| 20:40.24 | hcy | i have an apt-get upgrade problem, with tetex-bin. tetex is totally broken now. the upgrade stops with the following error: "updmap failed. Output has been stored in |
| 20:40.24 | hcy | /tmp/tetex.updmap.XXqlZjsV" |
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| 20:40.29 | SimonRaven | eefwak: *yawn* |
| 20:40.38 | felipe_br | my KDE is displaying fonts with strange AA... have anyone had a similar problem? -- difficult to describe the problem, maybe better I post a jpg through my page... |
| 20:40.39 | konfuzed | starfishy: dude once the box is in a humans possesion there is no longer any security that can not be subverted |
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| 20:41.03 | starfishy | konfuzed: true, but you can do a pretty good job at securing it |
| 20:41.17 | gAri- | stew: thank you very much, your a nice helpful guy :) |
| 20:41.21 | triple5 | felipe_br I have the same thing in gnome open office, only the fonts with AA... |
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| 20:41.28 | starfishy | if a simple ctrl-alt-del would give anyone root access it would be bad |
| 20:41.28 | hcy | that /tmp/tetex.updmap.blah file says that a .map files aren't there, even though they are |
| 20:41.31 | gAri- | its a pleasure to enter here and get help :) |
| 20:41.31 | hcy | help please |
| 20:41.33 | Haukkari | Uh.. where is my /etc/profile.env in Debian? :D |
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| 20:41.49 | stew | gAri-: you're welcome |
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| 20:42.11 | rambo3 | bug /wishlist : #205561: grub-disk: nocumentation ; 2 years and 170 days old. |
| 20:42.28 | saftsack | hylafax-users@hylafax.org, a public list for all users of the HylaFAX software; |
| 20:42.33 | saftsack | abrotman, so just write a mail? |
| 20:42.35 | Petaris | Anyone know when Thunderbird 1.5 will be avaliable from apt? |
| 20:42.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:42.54 | triple5 | starfishy: that is why server rooms are locked and I still use encryption for my sensitive data on my laptop, you can't really secure it from physical access otherwise, people can still rip out the hard drive and mount it in another machine... |
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| 20:44.02 | runner | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" asks me at the end which modules the server should load. How can I detect which modules my graphic card supports? I know that xserver loads only those which are supported but I just want to know how I can detect. |
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| 20:44.56 | starfishy | triple5: there is quite a jump between CTRL-ALT-DEL at an open console and disassembling a PC you find in a public area |
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| 20:45.47 | Eulex | runner, try using the defaults and see if that works. if not, check your X log. |
| 20:45.54 | starfishy | anyway, regardless of whether it makes sense or not, single user mode on debian systems is password protected |
| 20:46.10 | triple5 | starfishy: just don't leave your laptop unattended, or install a boot password |
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| 20:46.34 | konfuzed | aplawrence has a good review on getting around it without a second boot cd |
| 20:46.34 | runner | Eulex, the defaults are working. I just want to know which Modules the ATI Rage 128 supports. |
| 20:46.51 | runner | i.e. where to look to know that and so on |
| 20:47.11 | konfuzed | a password on single user mode only interferes with admins and system maintenance or repair |
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| 20:47.47 | konfuzed | anyone else who can do anything in single user mode has the skills or connections to remove the drive and remount it somehwere |
| 20:47.59 | starfishy | i dont think so but then I usually work for security conscious places |
| 20:48.00 | Eulex | runner, well, if the defaults work... why try to fix something that ain't broken? and anyway, most modules should work. |
| 20:48.08 | eefwak | SimonRaven: hi |
| 20:48.32 | runner | Eulex, I don't want to fix something. :-) I just want to learn. |
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| 20:48.48 | runner | What these modules are and so on |
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| 20:49.13 | Eulex | runner, well, you could google on it :) |
| 20:49.36 | runner | Eulex, And i don't think that such an old card supports all the modules of xserver that are listed there |
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| 20:50.01 | Eulex | runner, most don't require any hardware support. |
| 20:50.55 | konfuzed | starfishy: so no doubt their so security conscious that they actually have premesise (howd do you spell that stupid word ;^) security and are not betting the entire security of their no doubt critical to global survival operation on a single user mode password from saving their ass in the even that their physical premesis security was not able to stop thieves from running into the locked server |
| 20:50.56 | konfuzed | room |
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| 20:51.09 | runner | Eulex, okay, thanks |
| 20:51.40 | konfuzed | aplawrence has a handy review on how to do that |
| 20:51.44 | starfishy | konfuzed: security is about making things a bit more difficult for the hacker |
| 20:51.55 | starfishy | there is no absolute and total security, not even in a locked server room |
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| 20:52.16 | biohazrd | is the amd64 distribution of debian fairly stable? |
| 20:52.26 | starfishy | but giving any kiddie access to the root password of any system that is out in the open by just pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL is a bit too lax IMO |
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| 20:52.50 | starfishy | and it doesnt have to be a server |
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| 20:53.00 | thingfish | biohazrd: ask them in #debian-amd64 |
| 20:53.09 | biohazrd | ah ok thanks |
| 20:53.17 | starfishy | any machine with access to, e.g., a local NIS will do as a starting point |
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| 20:53.28 | konfuzed | but for sure no moron in his right mind is going to break into your server room and fuck around for half an hour to an hour loging in to a box and being maliscious when he could actually grab valuable hardware and reformat it ffor something useful or simply crack your system from the outside without peril of breaking into your damn server room for jollies |
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| 20:54.14 | starfishy | konfuzed: 1) some people want network access and _no_ detection which makes stealing a few hundred bucks worth of hardware pointless |
| 20:54.32 | rambo3 | how do i make grub boot floppy? |
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| 20:54.56 | starfishy | konfuzed: 2) companies do guard their entrances, so dragging out a quad-opteron server on a cart might be a tad impractical |
| 20:54.56 | konfuzed | starfishy: exactly network access |
| 20:55.05 | konfuzed | single user mode does nto provide network access |
| 20:55.16 | starfishy | single user mode provides root access to a system |
| 20:55.32 | starfishy | root access to one system in a network usually provides an easy way to network access |
| 20:55.50 | starfishy | it doesnt even have to be root access |
| 20:55.52 | konfuzed | and to do anything useful with it you have to hang around or come back again and again |
| 20:56.00 | Azar | speaking of which I wonder why not block root access over ssh |
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| 20:56.14 | starfishy | the guy could add an account for himself and add himself to the sudoers file and noone would know |
| 20:56.20 | konfuzed | oh come on no root over SSH has been a default for years |
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| 20:56.25 | starfishy | (unless they have advanced security like tripwire) |
| 20:56.31 | konfuzed | i only occasionally lift that ;^) |
| 20:56.36 | starfishy | a default? where? |
| 20:56.45 | see | hello, i just wonder how/where LC_ALL i set as system default (dpkg-reconfigure locales only fixes all the other locales :P) |
| 20:56.50 | Azar | konfuzed: because system admins need root access over ssh |
| 20:56.54 | konfuzed | sshd.conf |
| 20:57.03 | konfuzed | no they dont |
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| 20:57.19 | konfuzed | they can log in as regular user and then su or sudo |
| 20:57.24 | starfishy | my sshd.conf does not give anyone root access without a password |
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| 20:57.30 | daedric | konfuzed: u should install slackware... and its sshd... |
| 20:57.30 | Azar | well I hate "defaults" that's too mswindows style |
| 20:57.33 | houn | Howdy-Ho, #Debian |
| 20:57.34 | stew | konfuzed: its not the default in debian. and it should not be considered a particularly effective security measure |
| 20:57.35 | daedric | you would be... surprised... |
| 20:57.50 | starfishy | and neither does the default sshd.conf in debian |
| 20:57.56 | konfuzed | nonono not root login allowed on ssh should be the default it is shipped with |
| 20:58.06 | konfuzed | not no password |
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| 20:58.22 | starfishy | konfuzed: and what bearing does that have to the question of whether to have single user mode secured or not? |
| 20:58.23 | Azar | konfuzed: say NO to defaults |
| 20:58.29 | felipe_br | see: /etc/profile i guess... maybe /etc/environment ... it is used by pam_env |
| 20:58.44 | konfuzed | a default is what it was set at before you got it. its not like MS invented the term |
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| 20:59.06 | Azar | konfuzed: a system should be freely customizable |
| 20:59.12 | starfishy | konfuzed: even if you allow ssh for root they still need a password |
| 20:59.14 | _unstable_ | How can I get to the debian menu from a terminal(xterm).. Like the games sections say. |
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| 20:59.17 | houn | Install Question: Installing from the 3.1 Minimal ISO: On "Installing the Base System" I'm getting the following errors: "umount /target/dev/pts: No such file or directory; umount: /target/dev/shm: No such file or directory; umount: /target/proc/bus/usb: Invalid Arguement" |
| 20:59.20 | konfuzed | when you go to ireland and some body asks you to go out for a drink, by default they will order you irish beer |
| 20:59.32 | starfishy | which they are not going to have without a point of attack like a compromised system |
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| 21:00.03 | see | felipe thanks :) |
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| 21:00.10 | konfuzed | starfishy: yes indeed, if you allow ssh for root it still requires a password - i did not say it didnt only that I believe the default is to not allow root to login at all with SSHD |
| 21:00.15 | starfishy | and adding a user account and a sudoers file entry is a much more effective way to hide your tracks than changing the root password |
| 21:00.38 | jeph | hi all, how does one hide a file from the file list in doxygen |
| 21:00.46 | starfishy | konfuzed: then what does that have to do with the single user mode question? |
| 21:00.48 | jeph | it is a file containing only the @mainpage stufff |
| 21:01.03 | stew | konfuzed: it is not the default in debian. are you saying it is the upstream default? |
| 21:01.08 | starfishy | admittedly root login over ssh is not really necessary but its not much of a security hole either |
| 21:01.27 | konfuzed | agreed |
| 21:01.27 | starfishy | unless some bozo set all the root passwords on all systems to PASSWORD :) |
| 21:01.40 | konfuzed | however |
| 21:01.42 | konfuzed | Another trick is to add "init=/bin/bash" (LILO "linux init=/bin/bash" or add it to the Grub "kernel" line). This will dump you to a bash prompt much earlier than single user mode |
| 21:01.59 | konfuzed | there now your password protected single user mode is utterly useless |
| 21:01.59 | see | felipe is en_US a valid locale (stupid question maybe :P) |
| 21:02.01 | starfishy | konfuzed: the problem are systems that by their very nature have to be in areas where access for an arbitrary group of people is necessary |
| 21:02.17 | stew | i know people that allow root ssh login and make sure to have zero suid programs installed, which is probably even safer |
| 21:02.39 | starfishy | konfuzed: i didnt say it was perfect protection |
| 21:02.42 | stew | see: it is |
| 21:02.51 | konfuzed | stew: especially for unsupervised public access systems |
| 21:02.54 | starfishy | but just hitting ctrl-alt-del is something an eight year old can do |
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| 21:03.12 | starfishy | whereas your way does require some knowledge |
| 21:03.25 | starfishy | and if you want to thwart that, just move bash |
| 21:03.26 | konfuzed | you only have to worry about people with some knowledge |
| 21:03.30 | see | stew thank you :) |
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| 21:03.43 | konfuzed | an eight year old that was trained by me would be a problem for you perhaps |
| 21:03.50 | starfishy | on the contrary, its the script kiddie with his 'rm -rf /' knowledge I worry about |
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| 21:04.14 | konfuzed | but tripping over ctrl-alt-delte that works on MS does not qualify for getting into single user mode |
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| 21:04.28 | starfishy | no? |
| 21:04.39 | starfishy | CTRL-ALT-DEL by default works on Debian too |
| 21:04.47 | starfishy | look into your inittab |
| 21:04.49 | konfuzed | and for public access systems you can diable or change the keys needed to reboot |
| 21:05.10 | Azar | I am not clear why people use bruteforce to guess a user's name when in fact even say they get it there is a password out there to protect access? |
| 21:05.11 | konfuzed | besides I always just flip the power switch or pull the plug and plug it back in |
| 21:05.11 | starfishy | yes, you can and you should |
| 21:05.29 | felipe_br | see: it is. en_US does not have encoding (as in en_US.ISO-8859-1 or en_US.UTF-8). In a way that I don't remember now, the system will default to one of them. |
| 21:05.29 | starfishy | and what do you do if the system crashes and comes up in single user mode because of file system errors? |
| 21:05.52 | starfishy | you seriously pull the plug on a running linux system to reboot it? |
| 21:05.57 | konfuzed | so again for all these reason Root Password on single user mode is not a security benefit but a hinderance to system owners and operators |
| 21:06.03 | starfishy | sounds like a troll to me |
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| 21:06.27 | starfishy | if entering the root password once every couple of weeks is a hindrance for you i rest my case |
| 21:06.48 | starfishy | or do you switch to single user twice a day? |
| 21:06.55 | eefwak | konfuzed: Then don't set a password. |
| 21:07.00 | konfuzed | starfishy: takes more than just alittle knowledge for when the system chokes because it cant access the file system |
| 21:07.10 | starfishy | yeah, what are those pesky passwords good for anyway? ;) |
| 21:07.13 | konfuzed | eefwak: im not that far off the deep end |
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| 21:07.27 | konfuzed | ;^) |
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| 21:07.40 | starfishy | if the system has too many errors in a fsck it drops you to single user mode to fix it |
| 21:07.53 | koolr | how to install truetype fonts on debian etch (xorg) ? |
| 21:08.18 | starfishy | aptitude install msttcorefonts |
| 21:08.22 | see | felipe ok, ill add ISO8859-1 if it goes the "wrong" way :) |
| 21:08.45 | Azar | Sorry, your browser does not support Java Script. << wtf is going on? websites forcing JS on browsers? |
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| 21:09.10 | Azar | thats my regular home page and now refuses to open up |
| 21:09.11 | starfishy | azar: you never came across one of them before? |
| 21:09.13 | konfuzed | Azar: no thats the developer being to lazy to do standards comliant coding |
| 21:09.15 | jebstark | Is there any alternatives to dict.org for translating purposes(I need portuguese - english)? |
| 21:09.19 | abrotman | it's his website! |
| 21:09.20 | kspath | Azar: yeah it is the AJAX buzzword. |
| 21:09.24 | abrotman | jebstark: babelfish |
| 21:09.28 | Azar | guys, I open up this site everyday this is a first |
| 21:09.52 | Azar | abrotman, no is just the banal dailyrotation.com = news |
| 21:10.00 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:10.01 | jebstark | abrotman: is there any client for debian for babefish? |
| 21:10.03 | Azar | I suspect a redirection |
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| 21:10.11 | _seb | hi |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | jebstark: not that i'm aaware .. apt-cache search |
| 21:10.23 | kspath | Azar: Apparently, content must be moving constantly and semi-intelligently. It is also a possible security crevasse |
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| 21:10.42 | _seb | does someone know how can i get my ssl certificates to be valid more than 30 days ?? |
| 21:10.44 | koolr | starfishy, this package does not have tahoma. how can i do install it? |
| 21:10.49 | Azar | kspath: I guess something is wrong there, they never forced JS before |
| 21:10.56 | kspath | Azar: if you go to www.ibm.com you will see where marketing/advertising people think this is going. |
| 21:11.30 | kspath | Azar: I will bet that there was a day when they used new HTML tags but did you notice? NO! |
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| 21:12.13 | kspath | Azar: Javascript is a neat tools for good/evil. You decide. |
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| 21:12.27 | humboldt | Where can I find a docu how to establish a ipsec connection to an Nortel ipsec VPN box with username/password authentication? |
| 21:12.36 | Azar | kspath: I boycott every site that forces JS on me, so fuck them |
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| 21:13.03 | Fleck | brb |
| 21:13.08 | Azar | been 3 years I cut down on JS sites |
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| 21:13.42 | BeBoo | Heya. When using dpkg-buildpackage, is there a way to specify ./configure options? |
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| 21:14.05 | anders__ | any one know where I can can disable the gnome keyboard settings for users, and let them be overruled with the xorg.conf settings covering the InputDevice (wheres the bloody question mark) |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | in the rules file i believe |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | !rules |
| 21:14.15 | dpkg | well, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | ignore that |
| 21:14.38 | abrotman | !debian/rules |
| 21:14.39 | dpkg | debian/rules is probably the makefile that's used by dpkg-buildpackage when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules before you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" (or "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot") to create a custom .deb package. For more info, ask me about "source". |
| 21:14.50 | kspath | rule 6) Do not talk about #debian. |
| 21:15.09 | BeBoo | Thanks abrotman |
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| 21:16.00 | nk__ | hello. I compiled a new kernel with the command 'make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2 kernel_image' now but... if I wanna install this new kernel with dpkg, mkinitrd complains about a non-existing directory '/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.15.1: Not a directory'. why? I mean - this directory really does not exist, it just exists /lib/modules/2.6.15.1hostname. how to fix this issue? |
| 21:16.04 | _unstable_ | I have the debian-testing.iso from the link /msg dpkg d-i gave me...I downloaded the entire thing...but I do not have X, I've never used cdrecord before...what do I type to burn this iso image to the cd and make it work? |
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| 21:16.04 | stew | _unstable_: is your burner ide? scsi? sata? and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:16.42 | sifi-xz | when is non-free a must, is there some widley used package that falls under this category? |
| 21:16.48 | _unstable_ | stew: It's a laptop. I assume eide |
| 21:16.59 | stew | _unstable_: and "uname -r"? |
| 21:17.07 | _unstable_ | stew: uname -r says... 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 21:17.15 | abrotman | sifi-xz: depends what you use your machine for |
| 21:17.27 | stew | _unstable_: do you know if your cd is /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc ? |
| 21:17.28 | sifi-xz | abrotman, do you have non-free on your sources? |
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| 21:17.39 | _unstable_ | stew: /dev/hdcc |
| 21:17.41 | _unstable_ | -c |
| 21:17.46 | sifi-xz | sources.list* |
| 21:17.50 | abrotman | sifi-xz: yeah .. but i got in the bad habit years ago of just using all three .. i don't think i actually use anything from non-free |
| 21:18.05 | stew | _unstable_: make sure you don't have ide-scsi module loaded, make sure you have ide-cd loaded, then just "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc /path/to/iso" |
| 21:18.30 | sifi-xz | abrotman, =), nice, so they are prolly just a POS |
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| 21:18.49 | sifi-xz | abrotman, talking about licenses |
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| 21:19.12 | konfuzed | well then perhaps you've got a pointer for powering off the system nicely wihle logged in as regular user that doesnt have acess to the shutdown comand |
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| 21:19.28 | konfuzed | no gui login to provide that option either |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | sifi-xz: it's non-free for a number of reasons .. but yeah .. license is one reason |
| 21:19.46 | _unstable_ | stew: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/MlwlNK99.html |
| 21:19.56 | _unstable_ | stew: Is that normal "default" behavior? |
| 21:19.58 | nk__ | anyone with my kernel problem? |
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| 21:20.10 | ulf_ | hank: schon komisch oder? dann uebergehen die wohl die testphase, und machen aus unstable gleich stable was ;o) |
| 21:20.19 | ulf_ | ups, sorry wrong channel |
| 21:20.27 | anders__ | &part |
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| 21:20.32 | sifi-xz | abrotman, yeah, the software architectrure in Free Software has more advantages |
| 21:20.40 | _unstable_ | !tell ulf_ about de |
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| 21:20.44 | stew | _unstable_: you should not be using ide-scsi with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 21:20.47 | sifi-xz | abrotman, but what else? |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | sifi-xz: what else about hwat ? |
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| 21:21.08 | _unstable_ | stew: I dunno..I didn't touch modules...this is what the stock install gave me. |
| 21:21.17 | matadon | Can pam_ldap support authbinding (e.g., authenticate by binding to the LDAP server as the user, not by comparing hashed passwords)? |
| 21:21.21 | goron | How "dangerous" is it to install crosshurd? |
| 21:21.23 | sifi-xz | abrotman, ^ it's non-free for a number of reasons ^, didn't catch the idea |
| 21:21.32 | abrotman | binary blobs in the package |
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| 21:21.49 | sifi-xz | ah |
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| 21:21.50 | goron | I think it's a very cool idea and all, but I'd rather not hose my system in the process. |
| 21:21.53 | stew | _unstable_: "modprobe -r ide-scsi", make sure it isn't listed in /etc/modules, and make sure it doens't appear on 2.6 kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:22.04 | abrotman | !tell sifi-xz about non-free |
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| 21:22.20 | FeliciaFellatio | Candylicious: what's up, babe? |
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| 21:22.31 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 21:22.34 | ulf_ | do you know if there is a package like wxvlc, gvlc or qvlc for etch? |
| 21:22.34 | FeliciaFellatio | Candylicious: wanna get into some h0t lesbian action? |
| 21:22.44 | Candylicious | what |
| 21:22.51 | abrotman | FeliciaFellatio: STOP |
| 21:22.52 | Candylicious | fucking paedo |
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| 21:23.05 | _unstable_ | stew: It's not listed... but ide-cd is listed...but I don't think lsmod showed that. |
| 21:23.47 | kspath | Candylicious: watch your language! |
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| 21:23.52 | Candylicious | sorry |
| 21:23.53 | chaedaeX | hello i know it used to be in the past that you listed modules in /etc/modules and ran update-modules for any modules you wanted loaded. now there are new systems which automatically load modules. i think my system is using udev. how can i configure it to not load modules? |
| 21:23.57 | _unstable_ | !ops FeliciaFellatio is a troll distracting people and slowing down the progress of support. |
| 21:23.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: FeliciaFellatio is a troll distracting people and slowing down the progress of support. |
| 21:23.58 | Candylicious | that guy is following me |
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| 21:24.05 | FeliciaFellatio | you guys are so on topic... :) |
| 21:24.06 | Candylicious | he keeps joining my channels |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | Cossins was feliciafellatio |
| 21:24.35 | Cossins | no shit |
| 21:24.45 | abrotman | it's not for your benefit moron |
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| 21:25.01 | cyanid3 | is it possible to mount a directory to multiple spanned hard drives? |
| 21:25.05 | kspath | Candylicious: I fail to see what makes them your channels. If you are having issues with abuse there are Freenode staff. |
| 21:25.22 | Candylicious | :) |
| 21:25.25 | _unstable_ | cyanid3: mount_unionfs? |
| 21:25.25 | stew | _unstable_: lsmod showed both loaded |
| 21:25.29 | konfuzed | so really how is a non root user sitting in front of his own box supposed to power off the system nicely without flipping the power switch? |
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| 21:25.41 | chaedaeX | anyone? |
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| 21:25.44 | goron | One other thing: where can I read the README file of the package crosshurd, without actually installing it? |
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| 21:25.50 | _unstable_ | stew: o yea...well how can I have the scsi one not load on boot? |
| 21:25.52 | kspath | konfuzed: I use a breaker box. |
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| 21:25.58 | konfuzed | ctrl-alt delete does a reboot and both init and runlevel are not available |
| 21:25.59 | starfishy | konfuzed: maybe enter poweroff at the commandline? (for dummies) |
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| 21:26.03 | chaedaeX | ...know how to tell debian to not load specific modules? |
| 21:26.04 | cyanid3 | thanks, i'll take a look |
| 21:26.08 | stew | _unstable_: do you use lilo or grub? |
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| 21:26.16 | _unstable_ | stew: grub |
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| 21:26.20 | konfuzed | well you're not suppose to just throw the power while its runing with mounted drives right |
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| 21:26.27 | stew | _unstable_: did you check menu.lst? |
| 21:26.28 | starfishy | no, you are not |
| 21:26.33 | konfuzed | i mean I do do that occasionally but |
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| 21:26.46 | starfishy | but if you have to ask that question you should not be allowed the root password in the first place |
| 21:26.46 | konfuzed | how to do so properly |
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| 21:27.00 | starfishy | a user should not shut down the system at all |
| 21:27.04 | starfishy | thats the whole point |
| 21:27.06 | konfuzed | hhahaah |
| 21:27.20 | starfishy | some GUIs give the user a way to do so, for example KDE |
| 21:27.24 | konfuzed | im the admin that forgor one of hundreds of passwords |
| 21:27.24 | Azar | this is strange... I had the /index.html site (dailyrotation) but I can access it on /index.shtml.. strange |
| 21:27.28 | goron | konfuzed: Is this also the case on Windows? |
| 21:27.35 | konfuzed | now I need to power off the system with out breaking somethinng |
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| 21:27.49 | BeBoo | Hm, with dpkg -l|grep mysql - it strips down the version number of libmysqlclient, is there some other way i can see it? |
| 21:27.51 | thingfish | chaedaeX: sysvconfig might help. |
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| 21:27.59 | konfuzed | there is no gui on this box |
| 21:28.07 | Peterken | Hello all, i have a problem: yesterday i installed my programs for supporting ARTS, but since reboot my sound card isn't working anymore. In the kernel log i noticed my sound module isn't loading any more. Does anyone has an idea howto load that module back in? normally it should be snd-via82xx |
| 21:28.11 | stew | BeBoo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg-l | grep mysql |
| 21:28.15 | konfuzed | or there would be that nice power off button on the screen |
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| 21:28.23 | goron | starfishy: I use that feature. |
| 21:28.31 | goron | starfishy: saves power, you know? |
| 21:28.39 | starfishy | use what feature? |
| 21:28.50 | chaedaeX | thingfish: basically now it seems that module loading is completely out of control and no one has any idea how to deal with it |
| 21:28.51 | goron | starfishy: that KDE feature. |
| 21:28.54 | starfishy | ah |
| 21:28.58 | starfishy | whats wrong with that? |
| 21:29.06 | BeBoo | ty stew |
| 21:29.09 | goron | starfishy: nothing, I thought you meant that. |
| 21:29.11 | Azar | Peterken: alsaconf? |
| 21:29.12 | konfuzed | so the gui that has the shutdown button on the login menu should be uninstalled I suppose |
| 21:29.27 | starfishy | i meant that on some UIs the user has a way to shut down the system |
| 21:29.35 | goron | starfishy: a user should not shut down the system at all |
| 21:29.48 | dn4 | Does anyone know of a political party that is for the ban on exporting weapons from the US to other countries? |
| 21:29.50 | starfishy | but normally, especially in a commercial environment, shutdowns are for the root user only |
| 21:29.56 | Peterken | should alsa be installed with ARTS (sorry i'm not very known with GUI) |
| 21:29.57 | stew | starfishy: i don't agree |
| 21:30.18 | Azar | Peterken: I never said nothing about GUI |
| 21:30.22 | stew | well "normally" maybe, but I certainly have systems here where I want users to be able to shut down |
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| 21:30.25 | goron | This sound issue should be fixed on Linux... |
| 21:30.31 | Peterken | oh, yes i work with KDE |
| 21:30.41 | goron | New users always get sound problems... |
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| 21:30.45 | starfishy | goron: dont forget that Unix, after which linux is modeled, is first and foremost an OS for servers, which by definition are up until root shuts them down for maintenance |
| 21:30.46 | Peterken | ha you never said, sorry |
| 21:30.55 | Thanabookmarks | what is the diference between add a user on the "sudo" group and add it on /etc/sudoers ? for what is exactly to add in group ? what of those are more "insecure" ? |
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| 21:31.02 | thingfish | incredible...end of january, and it's almost warm enough outside to go swimming. |
| 21:31.12 | starfishy | stew: then you can a) add the user to sudoers for the shutdown command |
| 21:31.16 | _unstable_ | cookooland:~# cat /boot/grub/menu.lst|grep -i scsi |
| 21:31.16 | _unstable_ | cookooland:~# |
| 21:31.21 | _unstable_ | stew: I don't see anything there. |
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| 21:31.27 | dn4 | thingfish, you know whta this means for hurricane season? |
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| 21:31.31 | starfishy | stew: or b) give him an UI that allows user shutdown |
| 21:31.34 | stew | starfishy: trust me, i know how to do it |
| 21:31.40 | goron | starfishy: I know, on a network(especially with *nix), you have a point. On desktop systems I do not agree. (I use Debian on my desktop) |
| 21:31.51 | konfuzed | starfishy: great so now as the box admin I want to shut it down with out pulling the power |
| 21:31.51 | abrotman | !mhallsmite exchange |
| 21:31.52 | thingfish | dn4: no, actually I don't. But I can't imagine it means anything good. |
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| 21:32.07 | stew | starfishy: i just think that your view that shutdown should only be for root is narrow minded |
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| 21:32.23 | dn4 | thingfish, just super cyclones of the water that increase intensity by heat!! |
| 21:32.25 | onweald_tim | During boot, fsck gives me an error "unable to resolve 'LABEL=myext3label'". |
| 21:32.29 | onweald_tim | I am using "LABEL=myext3label" in fstab to let me move hard drives around. |
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| 21:32.37 | onweald_tim | The partitions mount correctly but I get the error from fsck and it requires I press enter to continue. This is bad on a server. |
| 21:32.38 | onweald_tim | Any suggestions on how to make fsck work? (sarge with kernel 2.6.15.1) |
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| 21:32.40 | thingfish | dn4: oh yay. |
| 21:32.41 | goron | stew: shutdown on networks by normal users is stupid, though. |
| 21:32.55 | chaedaeX | aha /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:32.57 | stew | goron: what does "on networks" mean? |
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| 21:33.09 | konfuzed | im just talking about a shutdown on the box infront of me |
| 21:33.32 | goron | stew: Take a typical university network with *nix machines, which are ssh enabled. |
| 21:33.32 | starfishy | stew: in a home environment you may be right, in an industrial environment I still think that's the root user's job |
| 21:33.45 | goron | stew: Suppose student A is remotely logged in. |
| 21:33.53 | starfishy | konfuzed: you are looking at this from the perspective of a user |
| 21:33.58 | konfuzed | starfishy: so is debian only for industrial environments |
| 21:34.00 | goron | stew: suppose student B is working on that same machine (e.g. in X) |
| 21:34.08 | stew | goron: ok i got it |
| 21:34.13 | goron | stew: ok, thanks |
| 21:34.14 | matadon | Oh hell...if you don't have an /etc/ldap.secret, even if it's empty and doesn't work, pam_ldap refuses to play ball. |
| 21:34.17 | matadon | Sheesh. |
| 21:34.24 | starfishy | there is a reason why companies pay sysadmins instead of letting the users administer their own boxes |
| 21:34.43 | abrotman | yes .. but if someone ssh's in .. and you allow say gdm to shutdown .. who cares? |
| 21:34.45 | kspath | All of this is moot since that is the reason to have Systems Engineers and Admins. This is also offtopic. |
| 21:34.45 | starfishy | konfuzed: a GUI less linux is indeed not for standard users |
| 21:34.59 | stew | starfishy: i still don't agree that just becuase the environment is "industrial" that a user shouldn't necessarily be given the ability to shut his own machine down |
| 21:35.01 | konfuzed | im not looking at as an end user , im looking at it as a system owner operator adminstrator |
| 21:35.04 | abrotman | if it's a linux lab .. everything should be NIS/NFS .. so which machine you abuse shouldn't really matter |
| 21:35.12 | starfishy | stew: thats at the root user's discretion |
| 21:35.16 | onweald_tim | Does anyone have suggestions on how to make fsck work with "LABEL=myext3label" in fstab? |
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| 21:35.37 | matadon | stew: There are many ways to give a console user the ability to shut down a machine. |
| 21:35.40 | goron | starfishy: Ah, well, it's Linux, root exploits enough ;) |
| 21:35.47 | starfishy | there are easy ways to enable the user to shut down his machine if so desired but in most cases (other than home use) t is not desired |
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| 21:35.56 | kspath | I love NIS. Get one machine and you potentially have all of most of them. |
| 21:35.57 | abrotman | sure itis |
| 21:36.06 | stew | starfishy: say you had a large corporation with a linux desktop on every desk. Do you want to give every employee root? no. Do you want the admins to be responsible to shut down all the machines at the end of the day? no |
| 21:36.06 | matadon | kspath: Who uses NIS anymore? |
| 21:36.09 | abrotman | my tuition pays for that stupid machine to be on all fucking night .. shut it down |
| 21:36.17 | starfishy | goron: sure, but the people, who know how to exploit a root expoit usually dont work as plain users |
| 21:36.20 | konfuzed | starfishy: yes there is a reason corps pay admins to increase security on there servers |
| 21:36.21 | kspath | matadon: apparently a ton of "smrt" people |
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| 21:36.39 | konfuzed | but physical premise security is not one of them |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | NIS isn't the end of the world |
| 21:36.45 | starfishy | stew: in a large corporation environment id just make the admins make the machines go to sleep on their own |
| 21:36.46 | stew | matadon: yes, we've covered many of them |
| 21:36.46 | matadon | kspath: LDAP (and Kerberos if you really want) are much more common. |
| 21:36.51 | kspath | matadon: there are still uses for it under some circumstances if included in your security planning. |
| 21:36.54 | matadon | kspath: Nowadays, at least. |
| 21:36.57 | koolr | how to fix ugly truetype fonts on debian etch (xorg) ? |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | starfishy: besides .. i'd just pull the plug if i really wanted it off |
| 21:37.03 | starfishy | show me a large corporation that shuts down their boxes in the evening |
| 21:37.05 | konfuzed | if someone is after your network via a physical onsite compromise they walk in with a knoppix disc and end of story |
| 21:37.16 | starfishy | abrotman: and risk the wrath of the BOFH? |
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| 21:37.26 | abrotman | starfishy: *i* am the BOFH :) |
| 21:37.29 | kspath | matadon: I was not speaking to commonality or what is the best thing. I was making a sarcastic remark about NIS. |
| 21:37.30 | starfishy | so am i |
| 21:37.32 | matadon | konfuzed: Why do they even need a knoppix disk? Walk in, unplug, carry out. |
| 21:37.33 | starfishy | which is the whole point |
| 21:37.34 | goron | konfuzed: unless you encrypt your harddisk... |
| 21:37.39 | abrotman | i say shut them down |
| 21:37.41 | matadon | kspath: Ah, sorry. :) Sarcasm-o-meter is busted. |
| 21:37.56 | stew | starfishy: the last couple of large corporations I worked for |
| 21:38.04 | starfishy | wow |
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| 21:38.11 | konfuzed | is that boss owner from hell or bitch owner from hell ?? |
| 21:38.37 | starfishy | having a user boot and shutdown their box is more expensive than pay the electricity to have it run overnight |
| 21:38.39 | goron | I think that machines without users should be shutdown. |
| 21:38.43 | starfishy | most companies cannot afford the former |
| 21:38.56 | goron | starfishy: that's a flakey argument |
| 21:39.02 | starfishy | not really |
| 21:39.03 | abrotman | starfishy: depending on the lease .. they may have to pay thier electric .. that's say .. 12 hours of wasted electricty |
| 21:39.03 | stew | i'm not taking that bait |
| 21:39.09 | abrotman | it is not |
| 21:39.12 | starfishy | there are better ways to save power than shutdown all the boxes at night |
| 21:39.16 | abrotman | !moron starfishy |
| 21:39.17 | dpkg | starfishy: You are moron #87 |
| 21:39.18 | matadon | starfishy: I think it depends; if we're talking a workstation, that makes no sense. |
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| 21:39.31 | matadon | abrotman: Aaaah. That explains a lot. |
| 21:39.35 | abrotman | heh .. i haven't seen that used in a while :) |
| 21:39.37 | kspath | unless you do after hours work with the office machines than shutting down hundreds or thousands of machines can save a lot of energy and during warm seasons a lot of heat. |
| 21:39.43 | starfishy | abrotman: may I ask why i am a moron? Just because I happen to disagree with your opinion? |
| 21:39.45 | Azar | goobuntu on its way! newbies joy! |
| 21:39.53 | konfuzed | so it seems like many agree that a password protected single user mode is only dellusional security from a physical premise compromise |
| 21:40.09 | koolr | how to fix ugly truetype fonts on debian etch (xorg) ? |
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| 21:40.10 | abrotman | starfishy: there is no way in hell that powering on a machine takes more power than leaving it fully running for 12-16 horus unused |
| 21:40.27 | kspath | konfuzed not if it is part of a larger plan |
| 21:40.27 | starfishy | abrotman: you may want to read my statement |
| 21:40.30 | konfuzed | let not get name calling here - a perspective out place is not nescesarilly wrong just not particulary apllicable due to context |
| 21:40.37 | starfishy | i said it saves _money_, not _power_ |
| 21:40.40 | abrotman | i did |
| 21:40.45 | abrotman | money is power |
| 21:40.52 | abrotman | err power is money |
| 21:40.54 | Azar | and power is money |
| 21:40.59 | Azar | :) |
| 21:41.03 | Azar | either way |
| 21:41.07 | starfishy | and salaries are also money, and usually more than the power cost |
| 21:41.32 | abrotman | oh ffs .. every fucking person at a compnay comes in turns on the machine .. and goes for coffee .. or water .. or soda or wahtever .. noone sits there anyways |
| 21:41.36 | stew | starfishy: and giving users the ability to shutdown their own machiens would somehow cost more than configuring them to go to sleep on their own? |
| 21:41.44 | Azar | what about hybernation mode? |
| 21:41.49 | goron | People are not machines. |
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| 21:41.52 | starfishy | if you have a $40/hr employee spend 3 mins a day booting and shutting down his box you pay $2 for the shutdown |
| 21:42.07 | goron | They can not work for 8 hours on a day full time with full focus. |
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| 21:42.17 | starfishy | at the current power rates that easily covers the power to leave it on over night, especially in power save |
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| 21:42.24 | goron | <for an appropiate definition of focus> |
| 21:42.24 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 21:42.30 | starfishy | no? |
| 21:42.31 | Azar | not anymore the more power consumers were CRTs now with the LCDs is cheaper |
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| 21:42.46 | Thanabookmarks | what is the diference between add a user on the "sudo" group and add it on /etc/sudoers ? for what is exactly to add in group ? what of those are more "insecure" ? |
| 21:42.49 | starfishy | i pay about $50/month for power, including oven, light, TV and everything |
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| 21:43.06 | koolr | how to fix ugly truetype fonts on debian etch (xorg) ? |
| 21:43.07 | starfishy | and an Athlon X2 system that runs 24/7 |
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| 21:43.15 | goron | koolr: read the rules |
| 21:43.18 | Estes2 | Hi everyone :) i have a port listening (tcp 57461) which i can see using netstat -an the problem is nor /etc/services not lsof -i will tell me about it.... How else can i know what program opened this port ? |
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| 21:43.26 | goron | koolr: you are violating those. |
| 21:43.40 | starfishy | if i save 20x$2 (20 workdays, two dollars a day) i have saved much more than the PC alone costs to operate including the times i use it |
| 21:43.48 | konfuzed | people often over look the whole picture in context of "A LArger Security Plan" |
| 21:44.09 | stew | starfishy: i'm not sure that everyone is willing to concede the point that it costs the company $2 to power on a machine |
| 21:44.17 | abrotman | starfishy: it costs way way more than that to run a mahcine for 12-15 hours unattended |
| 21:44.20 | starfishy | methinks konfuzed overlooks the fact that every security plan is assembled from little pieces |
| 21:44.23 | Azar | Estes2: google for "port 57461" and will tell you what it is |
| 21:44.31 | starfishy | abrotman: care to elaborate? |
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| 21:44.46 | abrotman | starfishy: how much do you pay per kWh ? |
| 21:44.51 | stew | abrotman: it costs somewhere between $5-$15 a month to run a machine 24-7 (depending of course on energy rates and the machine) |
| 21:44.55 | junix|work | is there a way to install php with apache2 and not have it install apache 1.3??? |
| 21:44.57 | Estes2 | Azar, already di but there's not only one answer, and basicaly any program can open one of those ports... so... |
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| 21:45.09 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 21:45.14 | starfishy | i would have to look that up, but i just showed you a calculation that supports my view |
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| 21:45.31 | abrotman | stew: assume a P4 desktop with 7200 drive .. and 512MB .. no power saving crap(except the monitor on standby i guess) |
| 21:45.54 | konfuzed | if you have a password protected single user mode to protect against physical premise compromise then you are doing more to undermine security than improve upon it, by being deluded into thinking that it actually adds security. The truth of the matter is it causes more problems then it solves, especially if one thinks it actually seriously adds to security |
| 21:45.56 | Canadian | so everything i try to send gets frozen by exim4 |
| 21:45.58 | starfishy | my athlon 64x2 4200 uses about 130 watts on idle, no powersave |
| 21:45.59 | stew | abrotman: probably 8 or 9 $/month at my current energy costs |
| 21:46.07 | starfishy | with three 7200rpm drives |
| 21:46.16 | starfishy | stew: just about right |
| 21:46.17 | Peterken | tnx boys :-) everthing works now |
| 21:46.18 | goron | starfishy: what about powering it off when the last person leaves the building? |
| 21:46.33 | d-f | hi guys, i got a question. i just installed kernel-image 2.6.8-16 on debian sarge. it all went fine except that IRQ 10 gets disabled at startup, so my network isn't functional. is there anything i can do about it? |
| 21:46.34 | starfishy | goron: what about just putting the boxes to sleep? |
| 21:46.44 | stew | starfishy: if you have employees that refuse to do anything while there mahcine is booting up, then you have problems with your employees |
| 21:46.51 | Peterken | but i have another question, can i boost my microphone? (like in windows) |
| 21:46.52 | starfishy | no one use ACPI, suspend, cpufreq? |
| 21:46.59 | stew | starfishy: and btw, the last large company i worked for booted up machines automatically at 6am |
| 21:47.09 | DevilChaos | still got probs with shorewall been through the docs and net for instructions seems to be fine till i ask it to go on the net google whatever with my main desktop pc maybe routing problem dont know anyone able to help would be nice |
| 21:47.15 | Canadian | it tells me *****@yahoo.com unroutable address. |
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| 21:47.15 | goron | starfishy: I don't know about your machines, but the ones I use are P4 2.8 energy slurping machines. |
| 21:47.20 | starfishy | stew: most employees I know spend the time they are booting up chatting with other employees or getting coffee or such |
| 21:47.29 | goron | starfishy: Note I do not own a network. |
| 21:47.34 | starfishy | goron: maybe you should look into less power slurping boxes |
| 21:47.37 | karl | any synaptic or apt gurus out there? |
| 21:47.39 | goron | starfishy: besides my home network |
| 21:47.41 | abrotman | fuck that .. even if they don't wait .. people still wander around |
| 21:47.42 | stew | starfishy: and you think that they wouldn't do that if their machine was already booted? like they wouldn't chat or get coffee? |
| 21:47.49 | starfishy | but even a P4 system takes only about 180-200 watts at idle max |
| 21:47.54 | abrotman | " i need soda .. oh .. you got pictures of your snake .. how cute ... " |
| 21:48.10 | abrotman | starfishy: at 16 hours per day .. |
| 21:48.23 | stew | i would drink coffee today but machine was already booted up, so nevermind, straight to work! |
| 21:48.30 | starfishy | abrotman: at 24 hours a day the system still only costs less than 15 dollars a month to operate |
| 21:48.52 | starfishy | and if you subtract the 160 hours the systems have to be up anyway, you usually get less than $10/month |
| 21:49.04 | goron | starfishy: what about fire hazards? |
| 21:49.08 | stew | I used to have friends at work that I chatted with, but now we dont' chat becuase our machines don't have to boot up anymore |
| 21:49.13 | starfishy | what fire hazards? |
| 21:49.18 | abrotman | starfishy: 115$ .. a week |
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| 21:49.20 | abrotman | i think |
| 21:49.23 | starfishy | a reasonably maintained PC is not a fire hazard |
| 21:49.33 | starfishy | abrotman: how did you get to this number? |
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| 21:49.55 | Estes2 | Hi stew :) sorry for the other day, was disconnected... I was telling you that if you get around boston someday, i'd be glad to offer you a beer :) |
| 21:49.57 | starfishy | if you throw numbers around, please elaborate where you got them from |
| 21:50.05 | konfuzed | who cares about the cost of power, the US has secured all the iraqi and kuwaiti oil fields and can always suck canada dry of hydro electric as a back up anyway |
| 21:50.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | starfishy: Unless it's AMD chipset before Athlon ;) |
| 21:50.08 | goron | starfishy: I agree that number is gigantic. |
| 21:50.11 | stew | Estes2: awesome thanks :) |
| 21:50.12 | starfishy | at your calculation i would have to have a $1000/month power bill |
| 21:50.15 | DevilChaos | is there a shorewall channel? |
| 21:50.26 | goron | konfuzed: nice summary of US politics. |
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| 21:50.30 | starfishy | my real power bill for last month was $59 |
| 21:50.30 | Azar | Peterken, alsamixer see if the mic is muted, raise the levels |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | did i do the math wrong .. 200W * (15*5) * (2*24) = 720,000 .. / 1000 * .15 = $108 |
| 21:50.35 | konfuzed | delusions of security is my concern, |
| 21:50.39 | Estes2 | So no one knows a way to see which program opened a port when lsof -i didn't tell it ? |
| 21:50.41 | starfishy | including kitchen, light, tv, stereo and whatnot |
| 21:50.45 | stew | my monthly power bill would be in the thousands |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | i think i missed some factor |
| 21:50.52 | cisse | Estes2: netstat -plan |
| 21:50.57 | Azar | Estes2: sorry I have no idea |
| 21:51.04 | abrotman | starfishy: though .. you're the one that said 200W :) |
| 21:51.06 | konfuzed | the only person kep out of single user mode by a password is the actual admin that needs to fix it |
| 21:51.11 | stew | abrotman: really, $10 a month or so is pretty accurate for 24x7 |
| 21:51.18 | abrotman | stew: i went off his 200W :) |
| 21:51.23 | starfishy | abrotman: it is (15x5 + 2x24, not 15x5 x 2x24) |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | he said it .. not me |
| 21:51.29 | abrotman | ah .. yes .. there we go |
| 21:51.39 | starfishy | you might want to recheck your math |
| 21:51.41 | stew | abrotman: your calculation must be wrong, else it would cost $30/lightbulb |
| 21:51.59 | Estes2 | cisse, this is great :) only problem is that for this port i get "-" |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | !200 * ((15*5)+(24*2)) |
| 21:52.00 | dpkg | 24600 |
| 21:52.08 | abrotman | !24.6 * .15 |
| 21:52.08 | dpkg | 3.69 |
| 21:52.08 | _unstable_ | shit, I just did /lastlog abrotman ... big mistake |
| 21:52.11 | konfuzed | if I paid some one for security and I had to pay for them to turn on that single user password I would have to sue them for trying to con me into believing it actually added to the security profile |
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| 21:52.14 | abrotman | _unstable_: why? |
| 21:52.18 | Estes2 | must be an nfs thing |
| 21:52.24 | _unstable_ | Cause it scrolled like 500 lines |
| 21:52.31 | abrotman | starfishy: there you go .. 3.69 for a week .. based on 200W |
| 21:52.35 | starfishy | yes |
| 21:52.47 | chaedaeX | how can i run the exact same find command give an error on one system and work on another? find ./ -name *.jpg |
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| 21:52.55 | starfishy | and you easily spend three to four times that in employee dead times for booting and shutting down |
| 21:52.58 | abrotman | but i still contend .. it's wasted money .. i don't know anyone who walks right to thier desk and stays there all damn morning |
| 21:53.10 | starfishy | which is why most big companies do not shut down |
| 21:53.13 | chaedaeX | "find: paths must precede expression" |
| 21:53.16 | stew | chaedaeX: you want to escape that * or else you shell might expand it |
| 21:53.22 | stew | chaedaeX: find ./ -name \*.jpg |
| 21:53.25 | abrotman | _unstable_: is that all ? |
| 21:53.39 | chaedaeX | thanks! |
| 21:53.41 | Matt-H | how's shutting down wasted time?.. they hit the icon then go home |
| 21:53.48 | junix|work | what package is called on by php5? |
| 21:53.50 | stew | chaedaeX: depending on your shell, that command would work if you were in a directory with 0 or 1 jpgs in . otherwise fail |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | Matt-H: he's implying booting up .. which still isn't a waste |
| 21:54.03 | starfishy | konfuzed: and with the US legal system you might even get a few dollars out of that lawsuit |
| 21:54.05 | d-f | any suggestions to that? http://paste.debian.net/4108 (dmesg output) |
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| 21:54.22 | starfishy | do you park your car unlocked just because its easy to steal it with a slim jim? |
| 21:54.24 | _unstable_ | abrotman: yes...I wasn't in here that long. |
| 21:54.31 | Peterken | Azar, yes everything is totally open, but the person who i'm calling hears everything very quiet, however if i call via windows he is hearing me normal |
| 21:54.34 | cisse | it's fairly difficult to measure the power consumption of an idle computer because many will spin down disks, reduce cpu speed, shutdown unneeded fans etc. |
| 21:54.37 | abrotman | starfishy: that's also for 1 PC .. a large corp might have .. what .. 5,000 PCs . at 3.69/week .. that's only 18.450$ / week |
| 21:54.40 | Peterken | even mic boost is on (in swtiches |
| 21:54.44 | _unstable_ | !start a war |
| 21:54.44 | dpkg | start a war is, like, GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
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| 21:54.45 | abrotman | err 18,450 .. 18 thousand |
| 21:54.53 | konfuzed | i dont park my car in a server closet |
| 21:55.05 | abrotman | maybe your car is a server closet ? |
| 21:55.05 | cisse | abrotman: you also have to account for the electric cost of spinning up a disk and powering on a machine |
| 21:55.09 | Matt-H | if the machines were already on, the users would still waste time taking coat off, getting a drink etc |
| 21:55.18 | junix|work | what package do i install for php5 and apache2? |
| 21:55.23 | konfuzed | and no there has never been a lock on a car that has prevented a thief from stealing it |
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| 21:55.28 | abrotman | cisse: i assumed no power saving .. only monitor .. so the disk is spinning anyways |
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| 21:55.33 | __max_ | Anyone know the max drive limit in a mdadm ? |
| 21:55.35 | konfuzed | that includes inside locked garages |
| 21:55.36 | starfishy | abrotman: or 40000 dollars in lost salary because of employees booting and shutting down |
| 21:55.38 | __max_ | (raid5) |
| 21:55.38 | abrotman | konfuzed: car bomb |
| 21:55.42 | abrotman | starfishy: prove it :) |
| 21:56.00 | abrotman | starfishy: and let me know the next time you observe someone watching thier machine *shut down* |
| 21:56.01 | starfishy | $40/hour, 3 minutes a day => $2/day |
| 21:56.05 | starfishy | and thats rather optimistic |
| 21:56.12 | stew | starfishy: you are saying that they are going to be wasting time getting coffee and chatting while their machines are booting, but do you really think they would do neither if their machines were already booted? |
| 21:56.17 | abrotman | you pay a lot for receptionists |
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| 21:56.24 | starfishy | you would be surprised |
| 21:56.27 | balo1 | starfishy: what about lost salaries in wasted IRC-time :-) |
| 21:56.30 | abrotman | they must give good head |
| 21:56.31 | stew | starfishy: yes, i would |
| 21:56.34 | matadon | My kook-O-meter is beeping... |
| 21:56.53 | abrotman | starfishy: http://www.tufts.edu/tie/tci/pdf/Computer%20calculations.PDF |
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| 21:57.05 | starfishy | abrotman: been through all that |
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| 21:57.18 | Azar | it takes 3 min to boot up wtf? |
| 21:57.29 | konfuzed | oh by the way there is a group of guys out there in the world who take pleasure at devising simple ways to subvert every form of physical lock there is out there |
| 21:57.39 | abrotman | Azar: and shtu down |
| 21:57.41 | karl | anyone know why i need to ping a repository server b4 APT can access it? |
| 21:57.42 | starfishy | and if someone really is so concerned about the power noone stops him from giving his users a way to do so |
| 21:57.48 | stew | the last place i worked it took 1 hour to boot the machines, which is why they did it a 6am |
| 21:57.54 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 21:58.04 | Azar | abrotman: "shutdown -h now" takes like what? half min? |
| 21:58.10 | starfishy | well, the 3 minutes per day is a bit optimistic |
| 21:58.13 | konfuzed | so every time a new physical lock mechanism comes on to the market after years of research and development |
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| 21:58.27 | abrotman | Azar: apparently starfishy watches computers shut down |
| 21:58.33 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 21:58.39 | abrotman | unlike the rest of the world that doesn't even watch them start up |
| 21:58.43 | starfishy | abrotman: i dont but a lot of lusers do |
| 21:58.54 | abrotman | i don't know a single person who does |
| 21:58.55 | starfishy | if i was watching machines shut down and boot i would be busy all day |
| 21:58.57 | konfuzed | these guys buy one and write a tutorial on bypasing it within about 3weeks |
| 21:59.04 | Azar | our systems have "upgrade on reboot" so heck ofcourse everyone is shutting them down at end of day |
| 21:59.07 | starfishy | i have met enough lusers who do |
| 21:59.21 | abrotman | you work with stupid people .. that's your problem :) |
| 21:59.24 | heycam | Hi! I want to install a .deb file I have, but it depends on a package I need to install with apt-get, and the dependency goes both ways. What's the best way to get both packages installed at once? |
| 21:59.28 | goron | starfishy: you obviously high of your users. |
| 21:59.35 | goron | *think |
| 21:59.35 | starfishy | i work with whoever is willing to pay my rates |
| 21:59.37 | Azar | next day, 3 min start over time I take to comb my hair and check my tie |
| 21:59.39 | stew | heycam: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
| 21:59.53 | abrotman | starfishy: they could pay you more if they'd shut down at night :) |
| 22:00.01 | thingfish | heycam: dpkg -i package1.deb package2.deb |
| 22:00.07 | starfishy | goron: i have enough experience in IT to know that my opinion of the average luser is justified |
| 22:00.18 | goron | starfishy: and what are your rates? |
| 22:00.31 | heycam | thingfish: but what if the second package has lots of other dependencies it wants to get from an APT source? i don't want to have to follow them manually. |
| 22:00.35 | abrotman | if anyone is bored though .. they can help me figure out why a beta SSR email web client(not in debian) can't use IMAP auth against an exchange server .. yay |
| 22:00.36 | starfishy | no, they'd have to pay me less because a lot of lusers would waste time and money shutting down |
| 22:00.37 | goron | starfishy: I am not doubting that. |
| 22:00.37 | starfishy | :) |
| 22:00.38 | konfuzed | starfishy: what ever rates you can get is great but not if you profer false security like bike locks single user passwords |
| 22:00.57 | Azar | sigh |
| 22:00.59 | starfishy | goron: ill tell you that in a private meeting if you are interested in hiring me |
| 22:01.02 | abrotman | shut down the computers! |
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| 22:01.08 | Azar | we got ppl with real questions here and I can't help! |
| 22:01.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 22:01.25 | starfishy | konfuzed: id prefer if you would not misrepresent me |
| 22:01.27 | Azar | abrotman: I am not so good as you guys |
| 22:01.28 | abrotman | Azar: if you put people on ignore .. the noise goes away |
| 22:01.30 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:01.34 | Azar | :) |
| 22:01.40 | stew | heycam: after you run dpkg -i, run "apt-get -f install" |
| 22:01.45 | starfishy | i say that a single user password makes sense and in most environments it does |
| 22:01.46 | karl | anyone know why i need to ping a repository server b4 APT can access it? |
| 22:01.51 | heycam | oh, my mistake: it seems to have righted itself just by doing a few more tries of apt-get install and dpkg -i... |
| 22:01.52 | ronin | Azar: ya cuts downon the signal to noise ratio nicely |
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| 22:02.08 | abrotman | karl: b4? |
| 22:02.13 | abrotman | !b4 |
| 22:02.13 | dpkg | try "before", moron. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 22:02.15 | starfishy | there are exceptions and if you really want an environment without a single user password you are welcome to modify your machines accordingly |
| 22:02.18 | heycam | clever apt-get :) |
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| 22:02.25 | Azar | karl try apt setup and pick a better source for yourself ? |
| 22:02.29 | goron | starfishy: I don't think I will ever hire you, since you can't solve all problems when you can't be here(like in a different country). |
| 22:02.32 | konfuzed | starfishy: I would prefer if you did not misrepresent what comprises sensible security |
| 22:02.54 | karl | if i run aptget update, it cant reach the repo, if i ping the repo first then apt can access and update install etc |
| 22:03.08 | goron | starfishy: I was just interested in rates. I heard 550$/hour once for some very specialized db admin |
| 22:03.08 | starfishy | konfuzed: i was not misrepresenting anythin, i merely don't share your opinion |
| 22:03.09 | konfuzed | starfishy: ok given I know I can remove the single user mode password demand but |
| 22:03.11 | Azar | karl is apt-get not aptget |
| 22:03.31 | starfishy | konfuzed, could you please rephrase that, that sentence doesnt make sense |
| 22:03.38 | stew | konfuzed: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 22:03.47 | starfishy | goron: i wont post my rates on a public forum, i hope you understand |
| 22:03.47 | karl | azar: i know, lazy fingers |
| 22:03.51 | konfuzed | this moved to pros and cons os securyt or applicable security or real security or what is really being secured against anyway |
| 22:03.54 | abrotman | stew: i think they're just arguing |
| 22:03.55 | Azar | stew, konfuzed is tormented by the perfect security settings |
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| 22:04.13 | konfuzed | Azar: perfect is so subjective |
| 22:04.22 | goron | starfishy: yeah, you use social engineering to convince people of how reasonable your rates are. Everyone does that. |
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| 22:04.43 | starfishy | no, i use my skills to justify my rates |
| 22:04.46 | Azar | konfuzed: perfect is not a wrong wish, is just workable |
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| 22:05.04 | abrotman | those poor suckers :) |
| 22:05.04 | starfishy | social engineering always eventually bites you |
| 22:05.06 | konfuzed | Azar: im konfuzed by your sentence |
| 22:05.07 | goron | starfishy: IT is very big, what can you do in IT? |
| 22:05.07 | Mage_ | hello |
| 22:05.20 | Azar | :) blame it on the wine, konfuzed |
| 22:05.27 | Mage_ | where do I configure a wireless pcmcia card under debian kernel 2.6 ? |
| 22:05.36 | Mage_ | (now that pcmcia-cs is deprecated) |
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| 22:06.10 | stew | Mage_: you are compiling your own kernel? why? |
| 22:06.36 | klys | this just in: looking for the pinout of a Matrox G400 TV cable |
| 22:06.36 | Mage_ | yes I am compiling my own kernel |
| 22:06.42 | starfishy | abrotman: must be fun to denigrate someone just because they dont share your superior opinion |
| 22:06.56 | abrotman | starfishy: hey .. you're the one who said it was superior |
| 22:06.58 | Mage_ | but where do I specify the wireless KEY, channel, etc ? |
| 22:07.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:07.11 | starfishy | i dont call you stupid just because you botched the math big time |
| 22:07.13 | konfuzed | starfishy: I do realize that (somewhere) i can config single user mode to not request a password at boot or login I suppose that it actually bypasses login altogether - that said, that was not my point, my point was single mode password is only delusional security |
| 22:07.15 | stew | Mage_: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 22:07.29 | stew | konfuzed: if you have an actual debian related question, just ask it, your long winded diatribe on security doens't seem to be getting anywhere |
| 22:07.30 | starfishy | and id prefer you not calling me stupid just because I happen not to share a lot of your opinionated opinions |
| 22:07.31 | abrotman | starfishy: i said i missed something .. obviously i stuck it out there for peer approval :) |
| 22:07.36 | konfuzed | ok |
| 22:07.37 | Mage_ | No manual entry for wireless |
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| 22:07.56 | Mage_ | and there is nothing in the interfaces manpages about wireless config |
| 22:07.58 | stew | Mage_: install wireless-tools |
| 22:07.58 | konfuzed | now that i forgot the damn password how do I shut it down with out pulling the power |
| 22:08.02 | starfishy | konfuzed: a single user password alone is no security at all |
| 22:08.04 | abrotman | you already said it was superior .. you can't take it back! |
| 22:08.12 | starfishy | its one lego in a big building of security legos |
| 22:08.17 | goron | abrotman: you are really funny |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | goron: it's not intentional .. it's the umbrella hat |
| 22:08.35 | starfishy | where did I say superior? |
| 22:08.37 | stew | Mage_: what version doesn "dpkg -l ifupdwon" report? |
| 22:08.41 | Mococo | Hi, I accedenatly removed the mysql logs files; a few hours later I restarted mysql and it failed (no logs i assume); what log files are there again mysql.log, mysql.err ? |
| 22:08.44 | konfuzed | starfishy: a single user mode password only serves to diminish security because it protects against nothing |
| 22:08.45 | starfishy | oh |
| 22:08.46 | stew | Mage_: er ifupdown rather |
| 22:08.48 | starfishy | that was sarcasm |
| 22:08.53 | Mage_ | 0.6.7 |
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| 22:08.54 | goron | Let me restate that hypothesis, IRC is funny. |
| 22:09.05 | joeey | I am running snmpd on my router, I have configure mrtg to monitor the stats. What I need is another tool which would monitor and inteface and output the amount of traffic passes since a specified time |
| 22:09.14 | Mage_ | (I'm not on my laptop at the moment) |
| 22:09.14 | joeey | anyone knows such utility ?:) |
| 22:09.18 | starfishy | no, it protects against a casual attack |
| 22:09.19 | Mage_ | but it's the same config |
| 22:09.36 | starfishy | just like a bicycle lock prevents a random kid from stealing the bike |
| 22:09.39 | stew | Mage_: then your interfaces(5) does in fact talk about wireless, (and refers to the wireless manpage from wireless-tools) |
| 22:09.48 | starfishy | if someone wants the bike or get by the security lock, they can |
| 22:09.51 | k31th | Any of you guys use ldap for pam ? |
| 22:09.56 | goron | starfishy: do you also know how the math of security? |
| 22:09.59 | Mage_ | ok thanks |
| 22:10.01 | starfishy | but it makes accessing the system a little bit harder |
| 22:10.04 | abrotman | k31th: many people do |
| 22:10.06 | starfishy | at practically zero expense |
| 22:10.09 | goron | starfishy: *know |
| 22:10.15 | cisse | goron: math of security ? |
| 22:10.17 | konfuzed | starfishy: there are no casual attack possibilities taking place ina server room |
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| 22:10.29 | goron | cisse: yes, crypto protocols, etc. |
| 22:10.33 | konfuzed | starfishy: only for the valid admin |
| 22:10.33 | abrotman | and you guys thought i was funny |
| 22:10.35 | starfishy | you type your password how many times a day, konfuzed? |
| 22:10.36 | k31th | abrotman: bit worried about doing it on this box as its live |
| 22:10.37 | goron | cisse: why they are secure or not, etc. |
| 22:10.40 | stew | this conversation is never going to go anywhere |
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| 22:10.47 | abrotman | k31th: well .. sure .. i can see that being a bit of a concern :) |
| 22:10.48 | starfishy | konfuzed: since when are all systems in a locked server room? |
| 22:10.48 | cisse | goron: math in what way ? |
| 22:10.52 | ronin | stew: you dont like circles? |
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| 22:10.59 | konfuzed | obviously I dont type this root password often enough because I login as a regular user |
| 22:11.14 | starfishy | and as servers only go down a few times a year if that the password for single user is virtually zero effort there |
| 22:11.15 | konfuzed | like one is supposed to |
| 22:11.22 | goron | cisse: how do you mean what way? Cryptographic protocols are based on numbers. |
| 22:11.32 | starfishy | where did i say 'root password'? |
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| 22:11.38 | starfishy | i said 'your password' |
| 22:11.38 | cisse | sure but cryptography is a very small part of security |
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| 22:11.54 | konfuzed | my root password vs the regular user password |
| 22:11.56 | goron | cisse: sure, there are also social aspects. |
| 22:12.00 | starfishy | konfuzed, you need to start reading what i write instead of using your own liberal interpretations |
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| 22:12.07 | k31th | abrotman: yes, not to mention its not a debian box its some scumy CentSO thing. (painfull) |
| 22:12.15 | starfishy | you type _a_password_ several times a day |
| 22:12.24 | starfishy | you type the root password for single user maybe once a month |
| 22:12.30 | konfuzed | i type dozens of passwords dozens of times a day |
| 22:12.33 | abrotman | k31th: well .. you might want to ask that channelt hen |
| 22:12.33 | starfishy | unless you are not worth a penny as sysadmin |
| 22:12.39 | starfishy | my point exactly |
| 22:12.46 | k31th | abrotman: ,humm.... maybe |
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| 22:13.01 | starfishy | how often did you type the root password to access single user mode within the last month? |
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| 22:13.32 | konfuzed | i only need to go to single user mode to reset a lost root password, in that I have rarely had to use single user mode for file system repair |
| 22:13.37 | keherman | is there some way to automatically accept the ssh key on first connect (yes, i know security implications...)? |
| 22:13.42 | Azar | :D |
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| 22:13.49 | abrotman | keherman: man ssh yielded nothing ? |
| 22:13.56 | keherman | abrotman, not that i could find |
| 22:14.15 | abrotman | starfishy: why? .. i'm not waving my dick around |
| 22:14.15 | konfuzed | keherman: tred carefully , that may be the wrong kettle of fish here at the moment |
| 22:14.22 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 22:14.32 | cisse | keherman: i'm pretty sure you can't it's a 'security feature' |
| 22:14.33 | starfishy | on the contrary, you are just so conceited that you dont even notice it any more |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | starfishy: or i'm confident i don't have to ? |
| 22:14.54 | felipe_br | keherman man ssh_config |
| 22:14.56 | keherman | cisee, yes i understand i guess |
| 22:15.00 | sifi-xz | The Nvidia drivers is under non-free, which else chipsets is recommended? |
| 22:15.03 | starfishy | you call people names at random and sneer at their knowledge just because they dont share your opinion |
| 22:15.13 | cisse | keherman: what are you attempting to accomplish ? |
| 22:15.14 | ronin | pull up a chair goron, its a good show |
| 22:15.14 | abrotman | bah .. fuck .. you made me hit the space bar |
| 22:15.20 | goron | starfishy: he also does other things. |
| 22:15.25 | Azar | sifi-xz: what is your concern with nVidia non-free? |
| 22:15.25 | goron | :D |
| 22:15.36 | starfishy | i am pretty sure I know at least as much as you do, but unlike you i dont look down on people just because they know less or make a mistake |
| 22:15.53 | starfishy | and i dont call you names just for not sharing my opinion |
| 22:15.54 | keherman | cisee, exactly not having to accept the key on first connect |
| 22:15.54 | sifi-xz | Azar, that I have to add non-free in sources.list each time I want it |
| 22:15.57 | abrotman | keherman: the easy way is to copy the client portion where you need it .. but i am pretty sure ssh has that |
| 22:15.58 | felipe_br | keherman StrictHostKeyChecking ? |
| 22:16.03 | konfuzed | starfishy: do you have a better suggestion than simply turning off the power to do a shutdown for the box in front of me? I wouldnt want to corrupt the file system just because I can't remeber the root password just to tell the box to shutdown nicely |
| 22:16.07 | cisse | keherman: uh but why would you want to do that ? |
| 22:16.09 | sifi-xz | Azar, I refuse to have non-free at my sources.list |
| 22:16.15 | Azar | sifi-xz: it is ok to keep non-free contrib sources at all time in sources |
| 22:16.21 | Azar | sifi-xz: ah |
| 22:16.23 | Azar | well |
| 22:16.31 | keherman | cisee, because it is a computer and i should be able to do it |
| 22:16.38 | Azar | sifi-xz: I did not heard yet about open hardware for video |
| 22:16.39 | starfishy | konfuzed: press the soft power switch, on most linux systems that initiates a shutdown |
| 22:16.39 | cisse | keherman: aha touche |
| 22:16.47 | keherman | cisee, :-) |
| 22:16.51 | stew | konfuzed: my suggestions would be to not forget the root password, first of all, and secondly, give yourself sudo access to /sbin/poweroff |
| 22:16.52 | starfishy | strike most. add many |
| 22:16.58 | starfishy | before abrotman starts sneering again |
| 22:17.04 | abrotman | i'm ignoring you |
| 22:17.14 | stew | starfishy: please just put him on ignore and drop the commentary about him |
| 22:17.15 | starfishy | apparently you are doing a bad job at it |
| 22:17.23 | Azar | sifi-xz: so far nVidia video drivers are the most linux-friendly even if non-free |
| 22:17.25 | starfishy | stew: ok |
| 22:17.26 | sifi-xz | Azar, thx, its open hardware I'm after |
| 22:17.26 | abrotman | you fucking talked right at me asshole |
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| 22:17.44 | stew | abrotman: just /ignore and drop it |
| 22:17.46 | starfishy | there is a saying in German that you are what you call others |
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| 22:17.55 | abrotman | i did |
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| 22:18.18 | sifi-xz | Azar, I know, but this have to do with my standpoints |
| 22:18.45 | abrotman | keherman: -o BatchMode ? |
| 22:19.11 | abrotman | keherman: try man ssh_config .. those options can be passed to ssh via -o |
| 22:19.25 | keherman | abrotman, looks right! |
| 22:19.33 | konfuzed | see ive been trying to persuade opinion about valid security policy - to generate a clearer understanding of what the real ramifications are |
| 22:19.35 | cisse | that was a pretty sad convo on security, no one even dragged in windows |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | keherman: there are a few other options that could be it |
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| 22:20.00 | konfuzed | cisee: somebody mentioned it once in a side comment sorta way |
| 22:20.18 | keherman | abrotman, still checks host key... |
| 22:20.39 | abrotman | keherman: there are other options |
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| 22:21.00 | keherman | abrotman, no big deal -- thanks anyway |
| 22:21.10 | cisse | keherman: you're just begging to be man in the middle attacked, i hope you have a good reason to do this |
| 22:21.11 | jugglinx | hmm kde hide my E from gdm, i try kdm and the same... i remember having to edit a file for use E, did some remember which one? |
| 22:21.23 | jugglinx | someone* |
| 22:21.46 | keherman | cisee, lol |
| 22:21.48 | joffa | a question re amd64 etch - where can i look to find out when i can get abiword - it's been unavailable due to depending on libenchant1c2 for ages |
| 22:21.49 | abrotman | keherman: what about using keys instead ? |
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| 22:21.54 | keherman | cisee, as i said before, i knwo the impolicatiosn |
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| 22:21.58 | abrotman | !why is abiword not in testing |
| 22:21.58 | dpkg | abiword is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=abiword |
| 22:22.04 | keherman | abrotman, that means i have to put my private keys on lab machines |
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| 22:22.10 | keherman | not good... |
| 22:22.11 | joffa | ta |
| 22:22.12 | abrotman | keherman: uhm .. ok |
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| 22:22.20 | keherman | abrotman, j/k |
| 22:22.23 | keherman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.33 | konfuzed | i thought locking my door was a good idea until that drug addict didnt even bother with door and went straight through the window and grabbed my bolted down, chained and padlocked to the foundations, hoem theatre system running on a debian loaded shuttlxpc with MythTV |
| 22:22.38 | abrotman | you do it however you want .. but disabling that seems bad |
| 22:22.41 | icebit | hi all |
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| 22:22.50 | keherman | abrotman, yeah it is |
| 22:22.53 | Mococo | Hi! I get the following error when restarting Mysql: http://pastebin.com/532889; I deleted some of the main logs in /var/log please advise :) |
| 22:22.54 | xored | i need apach2 and php5 for my debian sarge. There are backports, where to find /search them ? |
| 22:23.10 | abrotman | keherman: at least i didn't give you the "stupid idea of the day" award |
| 22:23.13 | konfuzed | thank god I had single user mode with a password on it |
| 22:23.24 | keherman | abrotman, thanks! |
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| 22:23.40 | keherman | abrotman, i was thinking of netcat as root on a low port! |
| 22:23.42 | stew | konfuzed: this conversation has gone way beyond its usefulness, if you really want to continue it, could you please take it somewhere else? |
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| 22:24.06 | h2theizzo | hey |
| 22:24.08 | triple5 | Moroco, just try /etc/init.d/mysqld restart |
| 22:24.11 | h2theizzo | Debian supports AMD64 right? |
| 22:24.20 | triple5 | what does it say moroco? |
| 22:24.31 | stew | h2theizzo: not officially yet, there is an unofficial port, the next release will have official support |
| 22:24.32 | abrotman | h2theizzo: yes |
| 22:24.37 | triple5 | s/moroco/Mococo/ |
| 22:24.42 | abrotman | !tell h2theizzo about amd64 |
| 22:24.49 | konfuzed | stew: ok |
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| 22:25.01 | h2theizzo | thanks :) |
| 22:25.13 | dondelelcaro | is anyone aware of some way to get raid1 creation without a resync? |
| 22:25.15 | Mococo | triple5: Doesn't exsist :D |
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| 22:25.35 | EleckttrusS | waza! |
| 22:25.40 | cisse | dondelelcaro: you could try dd'ing the drive |
| 22:25.42 | konfuzed | is there a debian oriented system security phorum some where |
| 22:25.46 | EleckttrusS | hi my people! |
| 22:25.46 | cisse | but then you'll need to reset the superblock |
| 22:25.58 | dondelelcaro | cisse: that's basically the same thing as syncing them. |
| 22:26.11 | cisse | yep |
| 22:26.11 | stew | dondelelcaro: you mean create without having to resync the drives that are empty anyway? |
| 22:26.29 | cisse | donde why are you tryin to resync ? |
| 22:26.34 | dondelelcaro | stew: right |
| 22:26.41 | triple5 | Mococo, try apt-get install mysql-common |
| 22:26.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: or at least, with contents that you don't care about |
| 22:26.47 | stew | dondelelcaro: someone on -devel was discussing it as not being possible recently |
| 22:27.02 | xored | i need apach2 and php5 for my debian sarge. There are backports, where to find /search them ? i need php5 for apache2 |
| 22:27.05 | dondelelcaro | stew: hrm... yeah, I couldn't find a way to do it myself either. |
| 22:27.10 | abrotman | just start it in degraded mode? .. watch it rebuild later ? |
| 22:27.20 | stew | dondelelcaro: i want to say it was peterS but i'm not certain |
| 22:27.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, trying to get around the resync time issue |
| 22:27.36 | abrotman | you can't have it rebuild as you work ? |
| 22:27.43 | cisse | dondelelcaro: if you create a new raid1 array and copy the data over will that be faster ? |
| 22:27.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: a group whom I'm consulting for is bugging me about it because they want speed out of the box |
| 22:27.52 | Mococo | triple5: It will remove my databases |
| 22:27.54 | dondelelcaro | cisse: that's not the issue |
| 22:28.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: tell them to buy a hardware raid controller? |
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| 22:28.06 | cisse | lol |
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| 22:28.18 | starfishy | hardware raid controllers still need to resync |
| 22:28.19 | triple5 | are you sure Mococo? |
| 22:28.20 | Byby | hi!!!! |
| 22:28.27 | triple5 | hi Byby |
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| 22:28.32 | starfishy | which means the speed issue is there either way |
| 22:28.35 | Byby | HELP HELP NVIDIA kernel 2.6.12 |
| 22:28.37 | stew | cisse: the point is that you are creating a brand new array, and it has no useable contents yet, so why would you have to wait to sync it, why not just create it and assume that it is in sync then start moving data to it |
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| 22:28.42 | starfishy | maybe not quite as pronounced on a hardware array |
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| 22:29.03 | Mococo | triple5: "The following packages will be REMOVED:" mysql-client-4.1 mysql-common-4.1 mysql-server-4.1" :) |
| 22:29.14 | Byby | HELP HELP NVIDIA kernel 2.6.12 - tell me where to go :((((((((((((( |
| 22:29.18 | starfishy | stew: copying is not any faster than a resync in most circumstances (unless you do a file based copy) |
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| 22:29.40 | Matt-H | !tell Byby about ask |
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| 22:29.43 | starfishy | byby: maybe you want to stop shouting? |
| 22:29.51 | starfishy | www.nvidia.com |
| 22:29.55 | starfishy | they have the driver |
| 22:29.59 | starfishy | follow the instructions |
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| 22:30.05 | bucky | Byby, module-assistant a-i nvidia |
| 22:30.15 | markybob | Byby: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner and next time, dont annoy people. |
| 22:30.15 | EleckttrusS | staniel, you need install driver of nvidia? |
| 22:30.16 | starfishy | or so |
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| 22:30.41 | EleckttrusS | the comercial driver is big peace of shit! |
| 22:30.44 | bucky | Byby, and comment out Load dri and Load GLCore |
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| 22:30.48 | Byby | ask! Problem installing NFORCE and NVIDIA driver .. using a testing ver 2.6.12 because SATA disks not recognized in sarge |
| 22:30.50 | stew | starfishy: copying a file or set of files to an empty array is faster than resyncing the array then copying files to it, the point is there is no way to create an array without syncing it |
| 22:30.59 | triple5 | Mococo, if you have the Mysql server in a newer version than the one offered in the sources.list, you have to use testing for your database sources or something like that. but to my knowledge even on testing we are running with mysql 4.0 something. let me see... |
| 22:31.05 | triple5 | !info mysql-common |
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| 22:31.10 | dpkg | mysql-common: (mysql database common files (e.g. /etc/mysql/my.cnf)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.18-7 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 22:31.23 | bucky | Byby, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 <-- get a newer kernel |
| 22:31.29 | Byby | ask! Problem installing NFORCE and NVIDIA driver .. using a testing ver 2.6.12 because SATA disks not recognized in sarge |
| 22:31.33 | markybob | Byby: you still havent *asked* anything. either tell us an exact problem or go away |
| 22:31.36 | markybob | Byby: stop repeating yourself! |
| 22:31.41 | starfishy | stew: i was referring to bit-by-bit copy |
| 22:31.47 | triple5 | ah, so you see it will remove the old version and install the new packages but not remove the databases. ... Mococo |
| 22:31.52 | stew | starfishy: you are missing the point then, forget it |
| 22:32.03 | bucky | Byby, you need the updated installer above ^^ |
| 22:32.05 | starfishy | file copying is a bit dangerous for users because most users dont know that cp doesnt do a very good job at really duplicating a FS |
| 22:32.08 | abrotman | starfishy: i'm aware they do .. some of them have tools to do it while other things are going on .. |
| 22:32.13 | h2theizzo | how stable is debian on the x64's right now |
| 22:32.16 | triple5 | !ask |
| 22:32.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:32.18 | starfishy | abrotman: i thought you were ignoring me? |
| 22:32.18 | abrotman | i'm not sure what he meant by "get speed out of it" |
| 22:32.26 | h2theizzo | im trying to convince my friend to get debian.. |
| 22:32.27 | abrotman | starfishy: i thought you were ignorning me |
| 22:32.37 | starfishy | no, i wasnt and i didnt say i was either |
| 22:32.38 | bucky | h2theizzo, you mean debian amd64 port? |
| 22:32.41 | h2theizzo | yeah |
| 22:32.41 | stew | triple5: mysql-server-4.1 is available in stable |
| 22:32.46 | starfishy | i have no problem with you, only you seem to have one with me |
| 22:32.56 | triple5 | okay, sorry for mis-information stew |
| 22:32.57 | bucky | h2theizzo, it's good.. i'm running sid amd 64 |
| 22:32.58 | h2theizzo | hes running the amd x2 4400+ |
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| 22:33.05 | starfishy | and i really have no idea why |
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| 22:33.27 | Byby | I have a problem installing NVIDIA drivers. Script don't find the kernel source. Using testing 2.6.12 . No source available in apt-get PLEASE HELP |
| 22:33.36 | starfishy | we have different opinions, that IMO is normal among intelligent people |
| 22:33.38 | triple5 | so if apt-get install mysql-common gives a message to remove mysql_4.1 what does that mean for Mococo? |
| 22:33.48 | stew | starfishy: enough already |
| 22:33.52 | bucky | h2theizzo, i heard about some over sensitive keyboard and mouse issue with the x2's but there was a work around |
| 22:34.00 | h2theizzo | bucky, sid amd64? |
| 22:34.04 | starfishy | stew: i was just trying to shake hands with abrotman |
| 22:34.08 | markybob | Byby: upgrade your kernel, install those new headers, reboot, try again. |
| 22:34.09 | starfishy | whats wrong with that? |
| 22:34.11 | stew | triple5: mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 conflict, you have to chose between the two |
| 22:34.26 | bucky | h2theizzo, amd64 on in general on x2 |
| 22:34.26 | markybob | Byby: and for the love of all that is pure and holy, stop using all caps |
| 22:34.27 | triple5 | Byby, have you added the sources to your sources list? (src) |
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| 22:35.00 | triple5 | Byby, you don't have to say please help, just ask and read what you get here! |
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| 22:35.16 | bucky | Byby, http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=247804 |
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| 22:35.23 | stew | starfishy: you two haven't been able to constructively communicate, you are now bickering over whether or not you are ignoring eachother, which is going too far, take it to /msg if you really want to continue it |
| 22:35.25 | triple5 | Mococo apt-get install mysql-common-4.1 |
| 22:35.28 | Azar | bucky huh? |
| 22:35.39 | bucky | that's my answer |
| 22:35.48 | Azar | bucky that was meanie |
| 22:35.53 | bucky | :( |
| 22:35.56 | starfishy | stew: thats what i was trying to change |
| 22:36.12 | Matt-H | bucky: can't beleive they've actually done that KB article! |
| 22:36.13 | starfishy | would help if abrotman told me what it is about me that rubs him the wrong way |
| 22:36.13 | Byby | bucky.. you are a real clown.. why don't open a circus? |
| 22:36.19 | starfishy | maybe i could avoid that in the future? |
| 22:36.29 | Mococo | triple5: mysql-common-4.1 is already the newest version.; The issue is triple5 i've deleted the log files for mysql and after a few hours of deleting the logs i restarted mysql and the error message comes up (the one I posted in pastebin) |
| 22:36.31 | Azar | Byby: do you know how to edit your sources.list? |
| 22:36.41 | bucky | Matt-H, eye for an eye |
| 22:36.41 | starfishy | and i dont message people unless they explicitly allow it |
| 22:36.56 | stew | starfishy: last warning, please keep it on topic or take it elsewhere |
| 22:37.00 | starfishy | ok |
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| 22:37.02 | Byby | I need help, no being fucked because not able to do by myself |
| 22:37.16 | Azar | Byby it is ok you will learn |
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| 22:37.32 | Byby | I must add a source address for apt-get to find my right kernel-source? |
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| 22:38.05 | triple5 | Mococo, I don't know why deleting the log files removes /etc/init.d/mysql from your system, you have to somehow start the mysqlserver, you can also ty mysqld restart |
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| 22:38.22 | Mococo | triple5: mysqld doesn't exsist |
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| 22:38.39 | cr3 | anyone happen to know a way of managing a Palm device from the console? I don't mean sync'ing only but also adding new contacts from the console for example. |
| 22:39.07 | EleckttrusS | cr3, palm y consola no fount! |
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| 22:39.21 | Azar | Byby: Debian comes in 3 versions: Sarge = stable, Etch = testing and Sid = unstable; in your /etc/apt/sources.list you have "sources" lines that are made of 3 parts: the url pointer, the / (version) and options like main non-free config at the end. Edit your sources so the options will all look like : main non-free config. Save the file then do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 22:39.31 | joffa | attn dpkg - i chkd your link re abiword - it says it has migrated to testing. why can't i apt-get it for amd64 etch |
| 22:39.36 | EleckttrusS | cr3, but grafig found very good! |
| 22:40.09 | bucky | joffa, dpkg is a bot |
| 22:40.10 | sett | how unstable is unstable? |
| 22:40.12 | jonas3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.22 | stew | Mococo: try starting mysqld by hand and see what errors you get |
| 22:40.25 | triple5 | Byby, there is something you can do: you can open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor and change the lines, (I think for the source directories there is just uncommenting a line somewhere just remove the # in front of the line and it is active |
| 22:40.31 | joffa | o thanks, so can anyone answer my query |
| 22:40.35 | Azar | Byby if you need to find a higher kernel within your Debian version, type apt-cache search kernel-image you will see a list, pick the kernel version number that is appropriate for your CPU type |
| 22:40.38 | stew | Mococo: just run /usr/sbin/mysqld on a command line |
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| 22:40.54 | cr3 | EleckttrusS: I'll look for grafig, thanks. |
| 22:41.03 | devazion | sett: about that unstable that you might want to look up testing instead |
| 22:41.11 | Azar | Byby then you do : aptitude install kernel-image(yourversion/choice here) |
| 22:41.18 | cr3 | EleckttrusS: or do you mean graphical Palm manager, like jpilot? |
| 22:41.25 | EleckttrusS | cr3, you install linux in your palm? |
| 22:41.26 | h2theizzo | well i seen that ubuntu is a takeoff of debian |
| 22:41.39 | h2theizzo | what would be the benifit from going from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 22:41.40 | bucky | joffa, abiword is in amd64 sid - dunno about etch |
| 22:41.43 | Byby | in sources I got 8 source different addresses but if I try apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.12-1 no kernel |
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| 22:41.58 | sett | devazion I wish I could, but have no good internet connection to download anything that big |
| 22:42.04 | cr3 | EleckttrusS: nope, my Palm runs PalmOS. I use the pilot-link package to sync my Palm with my PC, but I want to manage my Palm on my PC from the console. |
| 22:42.04 | EleckttrusS | cr3, yeah jpilot is good and kpilot o gnome-pilot but my palm have camara! |
| 22:42.07 | Azar | Byby are you using Sarge/stable ? |
| 22:42.09 | triple5 | stew, Mococo will not have that command |
| 22:42.10 | joffa | bucky - ta for that. do you use unstable? is it fine for a person that knows only a little bit |
| 22:42.27 | bucky | joffa, if your question is about amd64 they know more about it in #debian-amd64 |
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| 22:42.32 | stew | triple5: why? |
| 22:42.35 | devazion | sett: Whisper me mate. |
| 22:42.37 | joffa | thanks i'll head there |
| 22:42.39 | Byby | using testing because MB has nvdia chipset with SATA |
| 22:42.45 | EleckttrusS | cr3, my palm no have linux becasue is very new palm zire72s |
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| 22:42.53 | Byby | sarge boot disk doesn't recognize the HDD |
| 22:43.02 | Azar | Byby ok you need to select a kernel appropriate for your CPU what cpu you got? |
| 22:43.11 | triple5 | because mysqld doesn't exist as a command and unless /usr/sbin is not in his path it won't be in /usr/sbin/mysqld |
| 22:43.13 | Byby | AMD |
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| 22:43.15 | Mococo | stew: http://pastebin.com/532936 |
| 22:43.23 | EleckttrusS | cr3, look this http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux.html |
| 22:43.24 | Azar | Byby amd64? |
| 22:43.25 | Byby | sempron |
| 22:43.29 | Byby | 32 |
| 22:43.31 | Byby | amd32 |
| 22:43.32 | Azar | ok |
| 22:43.41 | Byby | this is an acerpower M6 |
| 22:43.50 | Byby | chipset nvidia (SIGH) |
| 22:44.05 | stew | joffa: my 64 bit etch chroot shows abiword version 2.4.1-2.1 as being available |
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| 22:44.24 | Azar | Byby do apt-cache search kernel-image and look for the 2.6.12-x-k7 write it down exactly as you see it there then aptitude install kernel-image(exactlyhow is shown) |
| 22:44.26 | triple5 | I am wrong stew |
| 22:44.41 | tdn | I have just installed bind and want to use it as name server on my LAN. When I installed the machines I just installed with default "localdomain" as network name. So now my server is called ford.localdomain. I would like to have it called ford.galaxy. How do I change this? I have already made the zones for this. I just need to change the hostname/network-name on the local machine(s). |
| 22:44.46 | roby | How can I check where gs-gpl package installed all its fonts? |
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| 22:44.59 | sifi-xz | which goverments sniff computers? |
| 22:45.05 | houn | What's the command to re-run a config screen, like the Xconfig stuff? |
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| 22:45.08 | Azar | Byby would look something like kernel-image-2-2.6.12.k7 (SIMILAR to this) |
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| 22:45.42 | triple5 | Mococo, why did you create the logs? just create them again and make them writable for mysql |
| 22:45.44 | stew | Mococo: make sure /var/log/mysql exists and is owned by mysql |
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| 22:45.58 | Byby | yes! |
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| 22:46.09 | Azar | :) ok aptitude install "it" |
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| 22:46.16 | EleckttrusS | XD |
| 22:46.18 | EleckttrusS | jaa |
| 22:46.31 | Byby | yes! |
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| 22:47.01 | stew | Mococo: if /var/log/mysql doesn't exist, run mkdir /var/log/mysql ; chown mysql:adm /var/log/mysql ; chmod 2640 /var/log/mysql |
| 22:47.06 | stew | Mococo: then try running it again |
| 22:47.12 | Byby | now I try this way.. the apt-chache search command is fundamental |
| 22:47.16 | tdn | How do I change my hostname/network name? |
| 22:47.21 | sifi-xz | EleckttrusS, thx |
| 22:47.24 | Mococo | Ah I forgot to change the permissions.... lol; |
| 22:47.29 | houn | What's the command to re-run a config screen, like the Xconfig stuff? Anyone? |
| 22:47.29 | stew | tdn: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 22:47.36 | dondelelcaro | houn: dpkg-reconfigure foopkgname; |
| 22:47.37 | cisse | tdn: k so what you need to do is setup you 'domain' in /etc/resolv.conf for each computer that is queryign the dns |
| 22:47.42 | houn | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 22:47.44 | cisse | tdn: search domain rather |
| 22:47.45 | Byby | 2 min and I try to install the NVIDIA again.. because the script seems to need the source to recompile |
| 22:48.03 | triple5 | Byby: apt-cache search this |grep something |
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| 22:48.29 | Azar | Byby if you want to learn more tricks read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html (disregard non-us sources, they are not valid no more) |
| 22:48.31 | triple5 | Byby you have to install the kernel-headers for your kernel |
| 22:48.34 | tdn | cisse, so I just need to write "search mydomain" at the first line in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 22:48.36 | houn | dondelelcaro: nvm, that command is not found... |
| 22:48.45 | tdn | cisse, and then everything will just work? |
| 22:48.45 | cisse | tdn: assuming you have bind setup correctly |
| 22:48.48 | stew | houn: as root |
| 22:48.52 | tdn | cisse, it should be |
| 22:49.10 | cisse | tdn: do this command 'dig @nameserverip a.mydomain' where a is an entry in your zonefile |
| 22:49.12 | Azar | Byby for kernel-headers you do same search , write down then aptitude install them. |
| 22:49.31 | cisse | tdn: if that comes back with the right ip address you've probably setup bind correctly |
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| 22:49.32 | dondelelcaro | houn: you have to do it as root, of course. |
| 22:49.46 | tdn | cisse, yes. This gived me the correct A-record. |
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| 22:50.08 | houn | Does sudo not suffice? |
| 22:50.18 | cisse | tdn: k so change your /etc/resolv.conf on a computer to be 'search mydomain' newline 'nameserver x.x.x.x' |
| 22:50.20 | sifi-xz | EleckttrusS, does http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm sniff as well ;) |
| 22:50.35 | roby | How can I check where a package installed all its files? |
| 22:50.38 | houn | Huh, works as su. |
| 22:50.41 | tdn | cisse, I already have the nameserver-line. Thank you. |
| 22:51.05 | Byby | WOW!! it seems working well |
| 22:51.52 | triple5 | tdn: you have to change a few files, first do hostname followed by your desired name |
| 22:52.10 | tdn | triple5, hmm... Ok? |
| 22:52.14 | Byby | Nvidia scrips need source and headers too |
| 22:52.17 | tdn | triple5, so what I have done now is wrong? |
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| 22:52.42 | triple5 | I don't think so, does it work, what happens if you type hostname |
| 22:53.04 | tdn | triple5, if I type hostname, I only get "ford" and not "ford.galaxy". |
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| 22:53.23 | triple5 | ford.galaxy is the fqdn |
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| 22:53.58 | houn | What are some decent/standard fonts packages to install. |
| 22:53.59 | Azar | Byby: again look at apt-cache search for what you need |
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| 22:54.27 | tdn | triple5, my /etc/hostname contains the line "ford". |
| 22:54.34 | triple5 | good |
| 22:54.47 | tdn | triple5, is everything OK then? |
| 22:55.13 | triple5 | you don't have to edit that file manually, you can just type hostname ford and it is set to ford, if you are in the domain galaxy you are done |
| 22:55.18 | Byby | I installed 5 different versions of debian.. this is the first is working well.. thanks.. now I the lst problem |
| 22:55.27 | tdn | triple5, I just made a change in /etc/hosts. Changing the line "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain" to "127.0.0.1 localhost.galaxy" |
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| 22:55.53 | Azar | mkkkk 5 thats new to me |
| 22:56.39 | triple5 | tdn depends what you want, you can also do 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain ford.galaxy (or the other way round: 127.0.0.1 ford.galaxy localhost.localdomain |
| 22:56.46 | Azar | I installed one single version of Debian 57 times |
| 22:56.48 | Byby | now rebooting.. hoping for better luky start |
| 22:57.01 | triple5 | Azar, why? |
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| 22:57.08 | sifi-xz | WTF, The FBI is offering a reward of up to $100,000 for information leading directly to the arrest of these guys - http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm |
| 22:57.08 | Azar | triple5: newbie fun |
| 22:57.38 | Azar | with every install I learned something new |
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| 22:58.14 | triple5 | you should have learnt that you only have to install debian once Azar |
| 22:58.18 | bucky | sifi-xz, $60,000 for this guy http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug2005/augjeffs.htm |
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| 22:58.23 | triple5 | maybe you learnt that this time. |
| 22:58.32 | tdn | triple5, hmm... Ok. So I should not delete the "localhost.localdomain" ? |
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| 22:58.44 | Azar | triple5: at first install I made 57 mistakes, at the second, 56 mistakes, and so on.. |
| 22:58.59 | Azar | but hey I do what nobody here does: I install warge |
| 22:59.13 | sifi-xz | bucky, $100 000 for http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/goldberg.htm |
| 22:59.15 | EleckttrusS | http://www.handhelds.org/geeklog/index.php |
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| 22:59.44 | triple5 | tdn localhost.localdoman is the default for some programs, if you have set everything up correctly maybe you can delete it, I don't really know, ask someone else |
| 22:59.52 | Byby | x doesn't start.. |
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| 23:00.09 | tdn | triple5, ok. I just write it again. |
| 23:00.12 | bucky | sifi-xz, yeah.. i've seen him in pr0n |
| 23:00.18 | Azar | Byby: do you have X installed? look in /etc see if you got /X11 and what it has in it |
| 23:00.21 | cisse | tdn: /etc/hosts has nothing to do with getting name resolution from your nameserver working |
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| 23:00.26 | sifi-xz | EleckttrusS, Check out: http://www.myzaurus.com/ |
| 23:00.27 | Byby | yes.. installed.. |
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| 23:00.34 | tdn | cisse, I know. My nameserver is working. |
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| 23:00.45 | cisse | tdn: i speak out of place then |
| 23:00.46 | sifi-xz | bucky, fuck, this world is true but sick, you know that |
| 23:00.48 | tdn | cisse, it is just the local system that needs to be configured. |
| 23:00.50 | Byby | wait.. I check the log. |
| 23:00.54 | Azar | Byby now do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xorg) |
| 23:00.57 | cisse | configured in what way ? |
| 23:01.15 | Azar | what is for xorg? xserver-xorg ? |
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| 23:01.22 | EleckttrusS | sifi-xz, ok |
| 23:01.24 | bucky | sifi-xz, you have to wonder wtf the parents of these children are doing |
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| 23:01.56 | sifi-xz | bucky, NS, that was my first thought |
| 23:02.07 | sifi-xz | EleckttrusS, that is the future of PDAs |
| 23:02.13 | EleckttrusS | sifi-xz, i am palmzire72s and need used linux! |
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| 23:02.25 | starfishy | linux on the zire? |
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| 23:02.34 | starfishy | or linux on your desktop and sync up the zire? |
| 23:02.43 | Byby | in modules.. I read somewhere is needed to remove something.. |
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| 23:03.18 | Azar | Byby: better do an update/upgrade rather than remove stuff |
| 23:03.33 | Azar | ah I know |
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| 23:03.52 | Azar | Byby what are you using xfree86 or xorg? |
| 23:03.57 | Byby | xorg |
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| 23:04.01 | Azar | bah |
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| 23:04.07 | tonyb2006 | .. |
| 23:04.09 | Azar | I have no idea about xorg |
| 23:04.20 | Azar | but do reconfigure for it anyways |
| 23:04.33 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 23:04.52 | Azar | Byby: you need to specify 'nv' or 'nvidia' module in configuration of X |
| 23:04.57 | Byby | nvidia |
| 23:04.58 | fhffhqvb | dondelelcaro: kawfee is in here as eefwak |
| 23:05.25 | Azar | Byby: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will guide you when to indicate the nv or nvidia module |
| 23:05.42 | azeem | fhffhqvb: what's the problem with kawfee? |
| 23:05.59 | thingfish | !kawfee |
| 23:05.59 | dpkg | somebody said kawfee was KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier, or see also smartass |
| 23:06.08 | fhffhqvb | azeem: apart from the DDoS attempts at individuals and the floodbots? |
| 23:06.34 | tonyb2006 | just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:06.44 | tonyb2006 | or is that not "debian" enough for you |
| 23:06.47 | Byby | yes.. done.. fatal-- unable to load nvidia kernel module.. |
| 23:06.52 | Byby | really strange. |
| 23:06.53 | fhffhqvb | azeem: he's banned by name... look it up in the ban list for this channel |
| 23:06.54 | tonyb2006 | modprobe nvidia |
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| 23:07.01 | Azar | tonyb2006: manual editing of some files are not ok |
| 23:07.05 | Byby | now I try to start the driver install again |
| 23:07.07 | tonyb2006 | Byby: modprobe nvidia |
| 23:07.09 | Azar | tonyb2006: read the header notices |
| 23:07.09 | thingfish | yes, he even said he was evading the ban. |
| 23:07.19 | robin_sz | ban by ip then :) |
| 23:07.26 | tonyb2006 | Azar: wha |
| 23:07.38 | fhffhqvb | robin_sz: he keeps coming in from different IP's... 0wned boxes and all |
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| 23:07.49 | stew | fhffhqvb: please discuss it with ops / staff off channel |
| 23:08.03 | robin_sz | fhffhqvb, then I guess its option B |
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| 23:08.42 | thingfish | !Beck |
| 23:08.42 | dpkg | beck is probably like Mellow Gold, dude - "MTV Makes Me Wanna Smoke Crack" is a classic song |
| 23:08.45 | arn | how do I read my email? it said that I have email in /var/mail/... |
| 23:08.50 | Azar | tonyb2006: If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated |
| 23:08.51 | thingfish | sweet |
| 23:08.53 | Azar | # again, run the following commands as root: |
| 23:08.54 | tarzeau | arn: type mail |
| 23:09.15 | Azar | tonyb2006: gentoobies use to hate "the debian way" |
| 23:09.19 | arn | tarzeau: I did that and my machine becomes very slow, is that normal...? |
| 23:09.41 | robin_sz | fhffhqvb, Option B is a permanent ban enforced by the DoD (Denizens of Doom) |
| 23:09.42 | Byby | wow!! |
| 23:09.48 | Byby | done! |
| 23:09.49 | tonyb2006 | Azar: i dont hate it |
| 23:09.58 | thingfish | !beer Byby |
| 23:10.00 | tarzeau | arn: no |
| 23:10.03 | tonyb2006 | Azar: i just like to edit files |
| 23:10.10 | Azar | tonyb2006: YES one can edit/alter a system file at will, but deal with some extra work after that, why not using the dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:10.15 | fhffhqvb | robin_sz: freenode doesn't care about attacks against individuals |
| 23:10.16 | Byby | the problem was linked to the fact I got 2 kernel in the boot |
| 23:10.37 | robin_sz | fhffhqvb, that will be handyt :0 |
| 23:10.39 | thingfish | that has got to be the oddest name for a beer ever. |
| 23:10.46 | robin_sz | thingfish, no its not |
| 23:10.54 | tonyb2006 | Azar: w/e |
| 23:10.57 | thingfish | well, it's odd. |
| 23:10.58 | Byby | I remotely booted from network console.. and I didn't see the system started the k7 kernel |
| 23:11.06 | robin_sz | thingfish, Theakstons Old Peculiar@ |
| 23:11.09 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.12 | Byby | how can I remove the dual entry in boot? |
| 23:11.18 | Azar | Byby: uname -a what says? |
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| 23:11.38 | sifi-xz | bucky, look at the $5 milion guy: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/montoya.htm |
| 23:11.49 | thingfish | hehe robin_sz - we had, in high school, a counselor named Janet Strange. She was from Peculiar, a little town just south of where I live now. |
| 23:11.54 | Azar | Byby: I have no idea how grub handles boot, I use LILO |
| 23:12.04 | bucky | sifi-xz, drug dealer? |
| 23:12.09 | stew | sifi-xz: how disappointing that his first name isn't inigo |
| 23:12.17 | thingfish | ooh - who's a drug dealer? |
| 23:12.22 | robin_sz | thingfish, how, strange ;) |
| 23:12.25 | tonyb2006 | your mom |
| 23:12.29 | sifi-xz | bucky, tons |
| 23:12.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:12.36 | thingfish | I wish. |
| 23:12.42 | sifi-xz | stew, lol |
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| 23:13.05 | thingfish | that would solve everything, if my mom were a drug dealer. |
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| 23:13.57 | treyh0 | ed packages. Many |
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| 23:14.03 | Byby | ah... ok for boot.. I search.. now I got gnome installed .. but I need KDE.. |
| 23:14.06 | sifi-xz | stew, bucky USAMA BIN LADEN is the $25 million guy, should we create a research group together ;) |
| 23:14.21 | Byby | wait.. my network interface doesn't work |
| 23:14.32 | Azar | Byby: bah im done there... I do not use kde or gnome |
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| 23:14.52 | Byby | :) |
| 23:14.56 | Byby | ok.. net ok |
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| 23:15.14 | Byby | 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 23:15.23 | Byby | let me ckeck grub |
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| 23:15.28 | Azar | heh you got an Intel kernel lol |
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| 23:15.47 | Azar | told you to get a k7 and you did not |
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| 23:16.14 | arn | after I read one mail, how do I list my email messages along with their id again ? just like when I typed mail initially... |
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| 23:16.49 | Daishi | whats the key-shortcut to resize the X display |
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| 23:17.02 | Daishi | i got pushed down to 640x480 by some stupid thing |
| 23:17.08 | Daishi | and have all the off screen rendering |
| 23:17.12 | azeem | Daishi: ctrl+alt+numpad-+ |
| 23:17.19 | Daishi | ahht hanks |
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| 23:17.41 | clars | Im doing a webserver and need php also - is there a guide to read how to get the newest php and apache installt ++ |
| 23:17.47 | Daishi | woo! |
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| 23:18.12 | Daishi | just apt-get install them? |
| 23:18.28 | cisse | clars: pretty much apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:18.41 | Byby | ok.. grub modified.. let me check |
| 23:19.12 | triple5 | sifi-xz: Diego Leon Sanchez is my neighbour I think, I am also a cyclist, does that make me wanted, too? anyways, this is not the right channel, to to /join #fbi for your searches |
| 23:19.27 | pericopalote | login |
| 23:19.51 | zirikili | +--++0147+++ |
| 23:19.56 | azeem | zirikili: ? |
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| 23:20.44 | clars | cisse, thx |
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| 23:21.50 | Byby | ok.. all well.. |
| 23:21.59 | arn | after executing mail command and read 1 mail, how do I return to the list of mails? |
| 23:22.06 | Byby | now let's search how to install KDE |
| 23:22.17 | xored | iam just rady with compiling and installing my 2.6.8 kernel on a fresh debian sarge. hd0 runs well, anything works. Now i decided to conenct my second drive, hd1, and iam getting that error on booting with 2.6 / 2.4 ( while 2.6 stuck completeyly) dma timeout retry: |
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| 23:22.49 | fusibou | after a recent update, my debian unstable system no longer mounts usb flash keys. downgrading to 2.6.14 kernel or older udev not help. |
| 23:22.57 | Byby | yes.. intel kernel.. but I think is possible to change it |
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| 23:23.02 | fusibou | i get the message Cannot find PRIVHEAD structure. LDM database is corrupt. Aborting. |
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| 23:23.38 | fusibou | unable to read partition table |
| 23:24.05 | fusibou | previously, plugging in a usb key would result in it being recognized and mounted and displayed in a nautilus window in my Gnome 2.12 |
| 23:24.14 | Byby | for a sempron processor.. which is the best one? |
| 23:24.33 | azeem | Byby: this question is off-topic here |
| 23:24.54 | thingfish | ? |
| 23:24.59 | Byby | excuse me.. but I'm not expert |
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| 23:25.44 | Azar | Byby: I told you clearly to get a k7 kernel, you did not listen hurried and got an Intel not fix it |
| 23:26.26 | Daishi | fugit_: is the usb key old |
| 23:26.27 | Daishi | ? |
| 23:26.41 | Daishi | does it mount under anything else or with the regular mount command? |
| 23:26.47 | Byby | yes.. now installed k7.. |
| 23:26.51 | azeem | Byby: sorry, I misread your question, but maybe you should formulate them better |
| 23:26.54 | fusibou | i have tried a no-name 64mb which gives the error and a lexar 256 which has no erro rbut does not mount automatically |
| 23:27.00 | Azar | Byby: good luck then |
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| 23:27.27 | Daishi | id say the drive is messed up especially if it used to work |
| 23:27.50 | fusibou | no it works on another debian unstable machine i have not upgraded |
| 23:27.59 | fusibou | i plug it in there and up it comes |
| 23:27.59 | Daishi | oo weird |
| 23:28.13 | Daishi | just file a bug report then with whatever you think is interfering with it |
| 23:28.14 | fusibou | i have seen a report of this problem for amd64 version back in december |
| 23:28.33 | Daishi | sucks |
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| 23:28.51 | _rene_ | yawns |
| 23:28.52 | Daishi | cant you downgrade whatever it is thats installed? |
| 23:28.54 | _rene_ | welcome to unstable |
| 23:28.56 | _rene_ | so what? |
| 23:28.59 | clars | no candidate version fund for: php5 + libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:29.15 | Daishi | remove the new version and get an older one from debians snapshots or whatever? |
| 23:29.16 | _rene_ | (yes, I do have the same problem, doesn't seem to be specific to usb sticks, though) |
| 23:29.16 | Byby | ok.. how can I remove the wrong kernel from disk ? |
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| 23:29.17 | ClayG | the xdmcp set up says its uses UDP:177, but nmaping myself shows xserver:7000 what gives? I want to be able to connect to my myself from another person's house so im trying to foward the right ports |
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| 23:29.36 | Byby | does it disturb the k7 installation? |
| 23:29.46 | Daishi | then echo pkgname hold |dpkg --set-selections after installing the old version |
| 23:30.00 | fusibou | i have downgraded the kernel and udev but no joy. not sure what else to try |
| 23:31.05 | Byby | 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 23:31.07 | Byby | :) |
| 23:31.16 | xored | iam just rady with compiling and installing my 2.6.8 kernel on a fresh debian sarge. hd0 runs well, anything works. Now i decided to conenct my second drive, hd1, and iam getting that error on booting with 2.6 / 2.4 ( while 2.6 stuck completeyly) dma timeout retry: |
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| 23:31.50 | treyh0 | the launchpad messages on the debian mailing lists are a great read |
| 23:32.05 | treyh0 | thanks to the weekly news for my weekly entertainment |
| 23:32.07 | WALoeIII | I've got an issue with GPG keys when updating my apt cache |
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| 23:32.48 | WALoeIII | says there is no key available (tried a few different mirrors) I don't even recall installing it so that GPG keys were checked, and now it says it can't auth packages, and its adding another step when I want to update then dist-upgrade |
| 23:33.21 | fliper | hi |
| 23:34.06 | clars | is php5 not to find ind stabel ? |
| 23:34.16 | WALoeIII | its in testing |
| 23:34.22 | clars | okay |
| 23:34.28 | azeem | clars: it's on www.backports.org as well |
| 23:35.08 | clars | azeem, what the source.list linie then? |
| 23:35.25 | azeem | clars: see the instructions on www.backports.org |
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| 23:36.55 | JMTeal | is there a way to not allow a user to log in besides putting "exit" in the .bashrc ? |
| 23:37.26 | xored | how to start a drive without DMA ? |
| 23:37.34 | BeBoo | JMTeal, Set the usershell to /bin/false |
| 23:37.40 | JMTeal | i have the user for the ftpd root dir... but i don't want to allow ssh logins |
| 23:38.02 | JMTeal | beboo and how is that... got man pages for setting user settings? |
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| 23:38.47 | dondelelcaro | JMTeal: if you want them to be ftp only, you may not even want them to have a real account... |
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| 23:39.24 | BeBoo | JMTeal, usermod -s /bin/false <username> |
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| 23:39.26 | BeBoo | afair |
| 23:39.29 | sifi-xz | what does it mean if I get binary data on a page instead of the HTML implementation from one of FBIs sites at random times? |
| 23:39.30 | JMTeal | dondel yeah but i already got it set up and i'm lazy |
| 23:39.34 | xored | did i something wrong or iam just ignored completely :/# |
| 23:39.40 | fhffhqvb | dondelelcaro: eefwak = kawfee |
| 23:39.49 | dondelelcaro | fhffhqvb: yes, you said that before |
| 23:40.03 | fhffhqvb | dondelelcaro: so ban evading is okay? |
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| 23:40.34 | robin_sz | fhffhqvb, umm, tell me, has kawfee actually SAID anything yet? |
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| 23:40.40 | Amarande | <Amarande's eyes> Oh thank god. |
| 23:40.46 | fhffhqvb | robin_sz: yes. /lastlog eefwak |
| 23:41.05 | sifi-xz | http://rafb.net/paste/results/IqwjDn93.html for more info |
| 23:41.27 | robin_sz | fhffhqvb, that all? |
| 23:41.42 | robin_sz | fhffhqvb, seem to be you are making more noise than he/she/it is ... |
| 23:41.52 | robin_sz | drop it and move on ... |
| 23:41.54 | fhffhqvb | debian.log.20060131:[21:22] <eefwak> abrotman: It didn't. I'm evading. debian.log.20060131:[21:22] <eefwak> abrotman: I don't deserved to be banned anyways. I'ma good boy. |
| 23:42.23 | bucky | can we unban mwilson? |
| 23:42.28 | thingfish | why |
| 23:42.32 | Amarande | mwilson? |
| 23:42.32 | gravity | Why would we do that? |
| 23:42.33 | bucky | why not? |
| 23:42.34 | robin_sz | sigh .... I thingfish |
| 23:42.41 | gravity | Because... he's like poison? |
| 23:42.45 | Amarande | is that the same mwilson from the Windows channels on ... Undernet, I think? |
| 23:42.50 | selutha | does debian have mysql5 and php 5 in its repositories? |
| 23:42.51 | thingfish | he was one of the most unpleasant creatures... |
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| 23:43.03 | bucky | gravity, because he knows a lot |
| 23:43.12 | gravity | bucky: He doesn't share it |
| 23:43.16 | gravity | bucky: So no, he's gone |
| 23:43.19 | bucky | yes he does |
| 23:43.23 | gravity | pfft |
| 23:43.28 | bucky | tffp |
| 23:43.34 | robin_sz | gone baby, long gone ... |
| 23:44.04 | Azar | bucky I did not know very well mwilson, but if he is anything like you... :x |
| 23:44.10 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:44.14 | bucky | i just don't believe in eternally banning anyone and that's not the guide lines for other channels on this server |
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| 23:44.30 | ronin | but we're not them and theyre not us bucky |
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| 23:44.36 | bucky | i just wonder why #debian should play by different rules |
| 23:44.39 | robin_sz | bucky, the important phrase there was @other channels@ |
| 23:44.47 | robin_sz | because we can? |
| 23:44.57 | gravity | Because we have to |
| 23:45.00 | gravity | Because we're fucking huge |
| 23:45.08 | gravity | Because we're a fucking troll magnet |
| 23:45.12 | gravity | Because we're also a newbie magnet |
| 23:45.13 | robin_sz | why should we follow the same rules ... we are gods amongst men :) |
| 23:45.15 | thingfish | because a lot of people were doing damage to Debian's image. |
| 23:45.18 | Azar | because is one of the most civilized place ? |
| 23:45.37 | robin_sz | Azar, no its not |
| 23:45.40 | gravity | Azar: Only as of late. Magically, it's become much more civilized since people like mwilson were forced out |
| 23:45.48 | Azar | robin_sz: 85% of time is |
| 23:45.48 | robin_sz | see? |
| 23:45.50 | thingfish | exactly, gravity. |
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| 23:46.36 | Azar | people who can't stand "other places" made the rules here |
| 23:46.48 | m0rbid | which kernel-image to use on AMD K6/2 500 ? |
| 23:46.59 | azeem | m0rbid: 686 |
| 23:47.00 | bucky | Azar so your rules supercede freenode's rules |
| 23:47.05 | m0rbid | azeem: ty |
| 23:47.25 | Azar | bucky, freenode has a generous list of channels, if one does not like it here, can sit on one other channel |
| 23:47.31 | gravity | bucky: The freenode admins have pretty much given the #debian ops free reign to manage this channel |
| 23:47.35 | gravity | bucky: So yeah |
| 23:47.38 | JMTeal | beboo the usermod -s /bin/false seems to have the same effect when i attempt a login as putting "exit" in the .bashrc ... is this normal? |
| 23:47.38 | bucky | and BTW how many freenode supporters are here? |
| 23:47.39 | azeem | bucky: I don't think citing freenode rules helps your case |
| 23:47.47 | Azar | bucky: me is one |
| 23:47.50 | npx | bucky, plus it makes you sound like a bitch |
| 23:47.53 | azeem | bucky: if you want, consider mwilson banned for infinity-1day |
| 23:47.54 | gravity | azeem: :-) |
| 23:47.56 | nmourey | Has anyone gotten VMware 5.5.1 to work on Sarge? |
| 23:48.06 | ronin | as they do pretty much all the channels |
| 23:48.13 | dondelelcaro | in any case, the whole who has been banned argument is off topic here. If there's a problem, bring it up in private with an op. |
| 23:48.21 | azeem | quite |
| 23:48.22 | arn | what is the easiest way to delete all emails? I did delete #emailnumber-#emailnumber, quit, and then it all seem coming back when I type mail , 8000 something new email again... |
| 23:48.33 | dondelelcaro | we'll deliberate if necessary and come up with a determination. |
| 23:48.39 | bucky | dondelelcaro, is Overfiend an Op? |
| 23:48.43 | BeBoo | JMTeal, i might just be wrong, it oculd be /bin/nologin instead of /bin/false |
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| 23:48.59 | dondelelcaro | bucky: not here, no. |
| 23:49.22 | bucky | dondelelcaro, is there another debian channel on another server? |
| 23:49.33 | dondelelcaro | bucky: yes, there are #debian channels on most major networks. |
| 23:49.44 | JMTeal | oh no... it works... but it logs in and the connection dies instantly |
| 23:49.55 | dondelelcaro | this just happens to be the #debian channel on the network that irc.debian.org currently points at. |
| 23:49.56 | npx | I'm pretty sure this is the largest #debian |
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| 23:50.24 | robin_sz | bored now. |
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| 23:50.32 | ronin | *cough* send him to efnets heh |
| 23:50.32 | robin_sz | must .... not ... kill. |
| 23:50.36 | bucky | npx, and the least supportive channel of freenode |
| 23:50.52 | bushito | dh_testdir...make: dh_testdir: Command not found....make: *** [build] Error 127 please help =/ |
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| 23:50.54 | azeem | bucky: you could help |
| 23:50.56 | Azar | wow that hurt |
| 23:51.00 | npx | bucky, I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm playing the world's smallest violin |
| 23:51.03 | dondelelcaro | bushito: you need debhelper |
| 23:51.17 | JMTeal | beboo so is there an easier way to change user attributes? like how adduser prompts you for certain info as opposed to useradd... |
| 23:51.17 | azeem | bushito: apt-get build-dep <package you build> |
| 23:51.27 | bucky | npx, you should start your own irc network called FreeLoad |
| 23:51.49 | nmourey | Has anyone gotten VMware 5.5.1 to work on Sarge? |
| 23:52.03 | robin_sz | nmourey, invert. |
| 23:52.06 | npx | bucky, huh? |
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| 23:52.17 | npx | I haven't asked a single question here in.. a month or two |
| 23:52.32 | bucky | npx, you know it all |
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| 23:52.42 | azeem | bucky: what's you problem? |
| 23:52.47 | azeem | your, even |
| 23:52.51 | gravity | bucky: Do you have anything constructive to add? Or perhaps a question to ask? |
| 23:52.52 | npx | I know enough to spot someone with sand in his vagina |
| 23:52.56 | gravity | bucky: Because this is getting old |
| 23:52.58 | jjazz | bucky: I gotta say that saying #debian is unhelpful is a poor argument in the face of the loads of people who come here and say "I asked on the correct chan and got no answer or no useful answer, so I'm asking it off topic here." |
| 23:53.02 | azeem | npx: hush |
| 23:53.03 | Azar | hmm reading the news once again it enforces my belief that old, well tested packages/programs are stronger than new buggy ones... |
| 23:53.22 | bucky | jjazz, i never said that |
| 23:53.37 | nmourey | say again robin_sz. |
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| 23:53.41 | Amarande | Azar: Except for XP vs. Vista, where I'm quite sure Vista will sit better with me. |
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| 23:53.47 | npx | azeem, you know it's true |
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| 23:54.12 | robin_sz | nmourey the better question is @has anyone got sarge to run on vmware@ .. not vmware on sarge ... |
| 23:54.13 | Azar | Amarande: ...... hmm no comments on that |
| 23:54.14 | JMTeal | ok well anyone then... so is there an easier way to change user attributes? like how adduser prompts you for certain info as opposed to useradd... |
| 23:54.14 | Amarande | Mainly because XP has badly buggy nForce4 drivers, which was a major incentive to quit running it and use Debian. :) |
| 23:54.32 | jjazz | < bucky> npx, and the least supportive channel of freenode |
| 23:54.33 | npx | this guy is getting all emotional, "oh noes #debian is subpar, I may slit my wrists if I can't get timely advice on partitioning strategums!" |
| 23:54.36 | jjazz | < bucky> npx, and the least supportive channel of freenode |
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| 23:54.52 | Azar | :) |
| 23:54.57 | gravity | jjazz: Stop instigating please |
| 23:55.01 | Amarande | jjazz: well, sometimes it's not entirely clear what is and isn't on topic in #debian |
| 23:55.07 | azeem | npx: so just stop talking to him |
| 23:55.08 | fsdan | i need help troubleshooting a debian virtual machine. the thing doesn't change resolutions....i tried the normal things, like editing the xfconfig, and the ctrl+alt+ +/- shortcuts do not work, nor does the right-click configure desktop option (i'm using kd< |
| 23:55.09 | xored | # |
| 23:55.11 | abrotman | jjazz: are you going to be here tomorrow? |
| 23:55.13 | Amarande | after all, debian maintains a -lot- of software packages |
| 23:55.16 | bucky | jjazz, http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml |
| 23:55.21 | jjazz | Amarande: I agree with that. I'm off topic all the time. |
| 23:55.22 | fsdan | e, btw) |
| 23:55.29 | jjazz | abrotman: Should be. Why? |
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| 23:55.35 | Azar | Amarande: I have no idea how come you jumped forward with XP and Vista , when I never mentioned of such in here |
| 23:55.37 | jjazz | bucky: I don't get your point. |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | jjazz: no .. i mean with Eben |
| 23:55.40 | Azar | butterflies? |
| 23:55.44 | arn | how do I reset the size of a file into 0 without changing its permission and stuffs ? |
| 23:55.46 | Amarande | Azar: You were referring to new vs. old software. :) |
| 23:55.57 | abrotman | jjazz: as in .. *here* :) |
| 23:56.01 | bucky | jjazz, that's the context of the 'support' i was reffering to |
| 23:56.05 | Amarande | Then I noted that XP is older and more tested, but certainly isn't going to be as good for me as Vista might be. |
| 23:56.08 | Gnea | arn: echo "" > file |
| 23:56.16 | nmourey | robin_sz: That is what I thought you meant. It still dosn't fix my problem. Thanks anyways. |
| 23:56.17 | Azar | Amarande: yes but I was refering to "Debian linux package" never meant something else |
| 23:56.19 | abrotman | Gnea: /dev/null ? |
| 23:56.26 | azeem | bucky: that is totally off topic |
| 23:56.30 | Amarande | Azar: Tangent, then. :) |
| 23:56.33 | jjazz | abrotman: I don't know where *here* is, but Eben and I have nothing scheduled tomorrow. I was lucky to grab 15 minutes with him today (he's overloaded these days). |
| 23:56.35 | arn | Gnea: thanks |
| 23:56.46 | Azar | Amarande: remember linux uses "packages" , not "software" |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | jjazz: odd .. i got an email about him speaking at Penn tomorrow :) |
| 23:56.55 | jjazz | bucky: Ah, that makes more sense. |
| 23:57.13 | Gnea | abrotman: oh shit, you're right |
| 23:57.18 | bucky | jjazz, sorry.. i was off topic |
| 23:57.24 | abrotman | Gnea: it happened three times today |
| 23:57.25 | Amarande | JMTeal: If you feel confident in your abilities, vi /etc/passwd |
| 23:57.39 | Gnea | abrotman: what did, exactly? |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | Gnea: i was right :) |
| 23:58.02 | Gnea | Amarande: vipw is the right way to do it :) |
| 23:58.05 | Gnea | abrotman: haha |
| 23:58.07 | JMTeal | amarande i can accomplish all the usermod command line stuff this way? |
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| 23:58.18 | jjazz | abrotman: I don't know his schedule. For all I know, he's giving a cheese farming talk on the moon tomorrow. :) |
| 23:58.23 | Amarande | JMTeal: there are really only a few pieces of data that really define a user |
| 23:58.35 | jjazz | (but if you get the chance to hear him talk, do so. He's a great speaker.) |
| 23:58.53 | xored | what is a good tool the test a hard-disk ? |
| 23:58.55 | fsdan | 0irc: for when you're sick of mirc's shit |
| 23:59.02 | Amarande | username, password, user id#, group id#, realname field, home directory, and default shell |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | jjazz: that seems far fetched |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm not sure i'll get there in time after work |
| 23:59.15 | dondelelcaro | Eben as in Eben moglen? |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:59.25 | dondelelcaro | ah... where is he now? |
| 23:59.25 | Amarande | any other utilities related to user adding generally just add some starter materials to the new user's home directory |
| 23:59.30 | jjazz | abrotman: what does? (and yes he's speaking at Penn tomorrow) |
| 23:59.45 | Gnea | abrotman: what's up with the trolls talking smack again? |
| 23:59.45 | Amarande | but a user itself is only defined by the seven things noted above in /etc/passwd |
| 23:59.45 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Now, he's in NYC. |
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| 23:59.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he's apparently speaking at penn tomorrow about GPL(some topic related to that) |
| 23:59.52 | dondelelcaro | ah, cool. |
