| 00:00.05 | dondelelcaro | if you see him, say hi for me. |
| 00:00.18 | starfishy | amarande: and what about the entries in /etc/shadow? |
| 00:00.21 | starfishy | ;) |
| 00:00.27 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: If I could pronounce your nic, I would. ;) |
| 00:00.31 | dondelelcaro | he's going to be on a wirlwind gplv3 tour for the next 12 months... |
| 00:00.32 | abrotman | "Eben, hi .. you have no freaking clue who i am .. but Mr. Armstrong says hello" :) |
| 00:00.36 | JMTeal | I want to make my ftp home read only with the exception of a write only incoming dir... but when a logged in user uploads a file, the file has the ftp user and group, so they can then see the incoming contents and edit them |
| 00:00.41 | JMTeal | how do i change this? |
| 00:00.43 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: heh. he knows my real name. ;-) |
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| 00:00.51 | Amarande | starfishy: I always thought /etc/shadow was just there to protect passwords |
| 00:01.06 | starfishy | /etc/shadow also contains password expiration data and such |
| 00:01.10 | JMTeal | i tried making the owner and group root, chmod 773 |
| 00:01.14 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Ah. But I don't. Care to share? |
| 00:01.31 | JMTeal | but the user still owns any files they create |
| 00:01.36 | starfishy | unless of course you have a legacy system without a shadow file |
| 00:01.37 | JMTeal | ? workaround? anyone? |
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| 00:01.44 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: /whois dondelelcaro |
| 00:01.52 | Amarande | starfishy: anyway, in general |
| 00:02.12 | m0rbid | ermmm |
| 00:02.12 | Amarande | if you're modifying a user's info, you usually only want the stuff in passwd, not shadow |
| 00:02.12 | fsdan | so.....anyone wanna help me troubleshoot xorg? |
| 00:02.12 | m0rbid | 686 causes the system to reboot. |
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| 00:02.14 | Amarande | dinnertime. |
| 00:02.16 | Gnea | !tell fsdan -about ask |
| 00:02.17 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: I'll pass on the greeting. |
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| 00:02.34 | Gnea | fsdan: just put the problem out there, someone will probably jump on it |
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| 00:02.55 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: if you've only got 15 minutes, don't worry about it; I'll undoubtably run into him again soon |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: jjazz: http://dp.seas.upenn.edu/ |
| 00:03.28 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: abrotman mentioned him b/c I work with him. |
| 00:03.30 | thingfish | is that a turkish name? |
| 00:03.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sorry .. we can go back to talking about beer |
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| 00:03.49 | m0rbid | why isnt there a k6 kernel-image? |
| 00:03.53 | fsdan | ok. i'm running a recent version of debian in vmware under windows xp. the problem i'm having is that I cannot change the screen resolution |
| 00:03.55 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: oh; were you at the gplv3 thing? |
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| 00:04.16 | azeem | m0rbid: the k6 doesn't do things terribly different than a 686 |
| 00:04.21 | fsdan | i can't do the ctrl alt +/- trick to change res |
| 00:04.23 | abrotman | m0rbid: iirc.. the advantages of doing a k6 isn't that much |
| 00:04.25 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Yes. I think we met at Mako's one night. |
| 00:04.31 | azeem | except for 3dnow, and the kernel detects that |
| 00:04.32 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: ah, right... yeah. |
| 00:04.34 | gravity | Ah, I think I know who you are |
| 00:04.42 | starfishy | fsdan: what about just changing the resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 00:04.43 | fsdan | nor can i right click desktop---> conigure desktop under kde |
| 00:04.44 | fhffhqvb | !sw abrotman http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0601.html |
| 00:04.45 | dpkg | abrotman http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0601.html: you stats whore! |
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| 00:04.55 | fsdan | starfishy: i tried, but that didnt work |
| 00:04.58 | starfishy | vmware is a bit finicky with resolution changes |
| 00:05.05 | starfishy | you might try to install vmware-tools |
| 00:05.14 | dondelelcaro | probably with gravity, Overfiend, mako, ari, and me... (or possibly not ari) |
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| 00:05.22 | starfishy | it asks you upon install whether you want to change the resolution |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: nice 404 :) |
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| 00:05.29 | fsdan | where do i get that for linux? i remember looking for it, but i couldnt find it |
| 00:05.32 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, ari didn't come that night |
| 00:05.33 | JMTeal | I want to make my ftp home read only with the exception of a write only incoming dir... but when a logged in user uploads a file, the file has the ftp user and group, so they can then see the incoming contents and edit them |
| 00:05.39 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Yes. |
| 00:05.40 | hcy | dondelelcaro: hi |
| 00:05.40 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: remove the : at the end |
| 00:05.48 | starfishy | i downloaded it from the vmware website |
| 00:05.49 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: i did .. i didn't see it when i clicked it |
| 00:05.55 | fsdan | really? |
| 00:05.56 | m0rbid | I installed the kernel-image*686, and the damn thing just keeps rebooting.. |
| 00:05.59 | starfishy | yes |
| 00:06.00 | hcy | dondelelcaro: do you have time now? |
| 00:06.10 | konfuzed | Amarande: you've gone to dinner without noticing that the users password is actually stored in the shadow file and not the passwd file |
| 00:06.14 | eska | holy shit there's a lot of people here. can I bug anyone about a small problem ecountered during a debian installation? |
| 00:06.26 | abrotman | just ask |
| 00:06.53 | m0rbid | should I just use the 386 image? |
| 00:07.18 | eska | it's asking me where apt should fetch the packages, but it doesn't seem able to contact the remote server |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | if that one doesn't work . seems a good idea |
| 00:07.30 | dondelelcaro | hcy: sure; ask away. |
| 00:07.32 | abrotman | eska: does your network card work ? |
| 00:07.32 | konfuzed | m0rbid: yes |
| 00:07.41 | dondelelcaro | hcy: or at least, I have time to procrastinate now. ;-) |
| 00:07.45 | fsdan | ok, i'll try installing tools, then come back. thanks, starfishy |
| 00:07.51 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:07.52 | starfishy | fsdan: yw |
| 00:08.05 | hcy | dondelelcaro: i'm just getting the latest error message again, one sec |
| 00:08.14 | eska | abrotman : yes it does, and when I previously installed debian (ignoring the remote apt source thing), I could ping remote computers |
| 00:08.23 | hcy | dondelelcaro: (btw it's 2 AM for me right now so I'm not the most awake...) |
| 00:08.25 | jjazz | abrotman: Go. Seriously worth it. Eben is one of the most fluid speakers around. Very persuasive. |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | it's pretty damn sad whne you can't reliably say that you can drive 15 miles in 60 minutes |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | when |
| 00:08.42 | dondelelcaro | hcy: ah.. |
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| 00:09.14 | abrotman | i know .. i'll make secher drive! |
| 00:09.19 | jjazz | eska: Can you drop to a shell during the install and ping other servers from there? (Just because the card worked in the past doesn't mean it's working at that moment). |
| 00:09.23 | hcy | dondelelcaro: so did you get what I messaged you the other day, that the reason those funny characters were showing up in that config file was just because grep was highlighting the search string and not that it was in the actual file? |
| 00:09.38 | dondelelcaro | hcy: heh |
| 00:09.45 | dondelelcaro | hcy: I've never had grep do that, but ok... |
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| 00:10.04 | xored | is there smartctl awaible for sarge ? |
| 00:10.06 | hcy | dondelelcaro: and our weird problem of that script parsing and getting a '' value, I solved by just making sure only one tab exists between columns. makes the table look really ugly but it worked. |
| 00:10.08 | dondelelcaro | hcy: you must have some wierd colorized grep as /usr/bin/grep |
| 00:10.14 | dondelelcaro | hcy: ok |
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| 00:10.19 | petemc | xored: smartmontools |
| 00:10.26 | eska | jjazz : ah, indeed, ping doesn't work right now. how can I setup my network card? |
| 00:10.26 | hcy | dondelelcaro: no i think i actually set it to colorize it at some point |
| 00:10.38 | hcy | dondelelcaro: anyway, so now here's what happens. |
| 00:10.43 | d0uglas | when i try to run apachetop, i get cannot connect to fam, connection refused ... what's fam?? |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | !fam |
| 00:10.52 | dpkg | fam is, like, a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 00:11.02 | hcy | dondelelcaro: updmap failed. Output has been stored in /tmp/tetex.updmap.XXHXY09C |
| 00:11.10 | hcy | dondelelcaro: I cat that file, |
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| 00:11.24 | abrotman | though .. i dunno why apachetop would want it |
| 00:11.32 | jjazz | eska: I'm not sure what tools are available at that point in the install. Is ifup present? |
| 00:11.35 | hcy | dondelelcaro: it has a lot of warnings about map files being in two places, |
| 00:11.37 | jjazz | eska: Or dhclient? |
| 00:11.44 | hcy | dondelelcaro: and then the error that causes it to crash: |
| 00:11.49 | Lord_Athur | hi all, is there a traslator english-spanish & vice-versa to install via apt=? |
| 00:11.49 | eska | jjazz : ifup is there, but it asks for arguments |
| 00:11.57 | hcy | dondelelcaro: !!! ERROR! The map file `ccpl.map' has not been found at all. |
| 00:12.02 | d0uglas | nice thanks abrot |
| 00:12.03 | dondelelcaro | hcy: can you use the paster bot to paste the entire output? |
| 00:12.10 | hcy | sure |
| 00:12.12 | jjazz | eska: ifup -a |
| 00:12.17 | JMTeal | I want to make my ftp home read only with the exception of a write only incoming dir... but when a logged in user uploads a file, the file has the ftp user and group, so they can then see the incoming contents and edit them |
| 00:12.23 | JMTeal | no one knows? |
| 00:12.28 | jjazz | eska: Or, preferably, dhclient |
| 00:12.28 | xored | petemc: yes, but not for stable, or ? |
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| 00:13.08 | petemc | xored: i thought so, did you check? |
| 00:13.11 | eska | jjazz : hrm, I ran dhclient first, and then ifup -a says both interfaces (lo and eth0) are already configured. I'm assuming dhclient did this, right? |
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| 00:13.38 | hcy | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1713 |
| 00:13.47 | jjazz | eska: If you can't ping now, do ifdown eth0. Then try dhclient again. |
| 00:14.29 | eska | jjazz : did that, and tried to ping again - won't work |
| 00:14.38 | xored | petemc: yes, i foun it in testing and unstable, but i will not upgrad libc6 as i cannot downgrade |
| 00:14.44 | jjazz | eska: What happened when you did dhclient? |
| 00:14.51 | m0rbid | hrmm, everytime I install from the netinst cd, I allways run into those Locale erros messages, Any way to avoid them? |
| 00:15.02 | hcy | dondelelcaro: now, i did a little experimenting with that, trying to manually edit that file and commenting out that map file, and it keeps coming back and complaining about every single map file it could possibly have |
| 00:15.04 | kspath | abrotman: that trout was frozen solid I hope. |
| 00:15.05 | xored | iam wonrg petemc , its bit strange but i found it now |
| 00:15.06 | eska | jjazz : it displayed a whole lot of stuff I can't copy/paste. what should I look for? |
| 00:15.10 | hcy | dondelelcaro: so i don't think that's the way |
| 00:15.18 | abrotman | kspath: and filled with nails |
| 00:15.21 | dondelelcaro | kpsewhich ccpl.map; should return /usr/share/texmf-tetex/fonts/map/dvips/cc-pl/ccpl.map |
| 00:15.22 | drp | how would I downgrade gcc |
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| 00:15.48 | hcy | let's see... |
| 00:15.50 | Zvpun | how can I make a backup of the partition table befor using fdisk and resize2fs? |
| 00:16.11 | hcy | dondelelcaro: /usr/share/texmf-tetex/fonts/map/dvips/cc-pl/ccpl.map |
| 00:16.16 | chealer_ | gravity: ping |
| 00:16.23 | gravity | chealer_: pong |
| 00:16.43 | dondelelcaro | hcy: hrm... I'm going to guess that something which is calling kpsewhich is passing nonsense to it again. |
| 00:16.50 | xored | petemc: how to use them now to check my HDD which seem not ablte to go into DMA miode |
| 00:16.50 | chealer_ | gravity: hi. just wondering, did you meant to make yourself mesa maintainer with your "NMU"? |
| 00:16.58 | gravity | chealer_: No, I didn't |
| 00:17.03 | dondelelcaro | hcy: that really shouldn't be happening to you at all... do you have any latex related customizations around? |
| 00:17.22 | hcy | dondelelcaro: not that i know of |
| 00:17.31 | gravity | chealer_: I don't really have any desire to do so, although it's probably going to happen sooner or later. I'll put it under the XSF not myself though |
| 00:17.54 | dondelelcaro | hcy: hrm... I'd try purging tetex-bin and the related packages, then checking to make sure that all of the tetex related configuration files and binaries were really gone, then reinstalling tetex. |
| 00:18.08 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 00:19.00 | chealer_ | gravity: ok, that's what I thought. am I missing something or the maintainer field in the news entry is wrong? |
| 00:19.19 | m0rbid | ack, the 486 one is worse.. |
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| 00:19.46 | gravity | chealer_: That's not the canonical location for the maintainer. If you do an apt-cache show for any of the packages they should still be the same |
| 00:20.04 | m0rbid | so I guess I am stuck using 2.4 |
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| 00:21.42 | hcy | dondelelcaro: i'm working on it |
| 00:21.42 | azeem | chealer_: the Maintainer: field in the .changes files basically says who built/uploaded the packages, though it is badly worded |
| 00:21.43 | azeem | it has nothing to do with the Maintainer: in debian/control, or at least its semantics got changed a long time ago |
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| 00:21.52 | chealer_ | gravity: don't overestimate my Debian mirror :) |
| 00:22.00 | sylvisj | How do I make a folder read/write accessable to all? |
| 00:22.03 | eska | you still there, jjazz? |
| 00:22.07 | fsdan | vmware tools did the trick first time. thanks again, fishy! |
| 00:22.16 | Zvpun | sylvisj: chmod a+rwx folder |
| 00:22.19 | m0rbid | sylvisj: chmod 777 |
| 00:22.22 | m0rbid | or that |
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| 00:22.30 | Amarande | does the nv driver in etch's xorg have any 3D support, or do I have to use the nvidia proprietary driver? |
| 00:22.48 | Amarande | I saw something about GL in Xorg.0.log, but ... |
| 00:22.49 | kjm | Amarande : the nvidia one for 3d accel. |
| 00:22.50 | chealer_ | azeem/gravity: OK, I guess I'm confused if I look at the previous mesa NMU, but I'll believe you that it's not reliable |
| 00:22.58 | gravity | Amarande: The nv driver currently doesn't have any 3d accel |
| 00:22.59 | joeey_ | is anyone familiar with configuring mrtg ? |
| 00:23.06 | joeey_ | and snmp.conf ? |
| 00:23.12 | gravity | previous mesa NMU? |
| 00:23.13 | kjm | the vesa drivers have OpenGL (limited) support, but no accel.... |
| 00:23.20 | sylvisj | Hmm, how about the folder and all subdirs? |
| 00:23.25 | gravity | Oh right. Christoph's |
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| 00:23.35 | Zvpun | sylvisj: man chmod -> -R |
| 00:23.49 | Zvpun | sylvisj: but that would eventually make all files executable |
| 00:24.04 | chealer_ | gravity: yeah. that one's maintainer field looks OK |
| 00:24.20 | kjm | the Xorg may have software rendering abil. but that would be dog slow. |
| 00:24.25 | gravity | chealer_: Where are you looking exactly? |
| 00:24.26 | sylvisj | Ty zvpun |
| 00:24.36 | sylvisj | Zvpun: I know, had to do it to the Steam dir |
| 00:25.02 | chealer_ | gravity: say from packages.qa.d.o, at the first two entries |
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| 00:25.18 | gravity | Amarande: GL isn't hardware dependant. And different components could have been loaded. It's complicated. I can explain it if you like... |
| 00:25.21 | Amarande | Steam? As in Half-life 2? |
| 00:25.28 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ok i remove --purge 'ed them, but some of them still show in dpkg -l as 'rc'. |
| 00:25.31 | Amarande | gravity: mostly I'm wondering if I'm ready to play games yet |
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| 00:25.52 | gravity | chealer_: On the left it says the maintainer and uploaders |
| 00:25.56 | hcy | dondelelcaro: shall I delete all the texmf directories everywhere on my computer? |
| 00:25.58 | kjm | 2D games, yes. |
| 00:25.59 | gravity | chealer_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mesa.html |
| 00:26.13 | gravity | Amarande: Not 3d games with nv unless they're very simple |
| 00:26.14 | hcy | dondelelcaro: /etc/texmf and /usr/.../texmf ? |
| 00:26.31 | kjm | Amarande : easiest way to test is load up tux-racer and see what happens. But for anything you'll need the nvidia specific drivers. |
| 00:26.33 | sylvisj | Steam, as in Counter Strike: Source |
| 00:26.54 | chealer_ | gravity: yeah, I see that too (but "the left" isn't up-to-date |
| 00:26.54 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ? is that a good idea? |
| 00:26.55 | Amarande | sylvisj: ahh. |
| 00:27.00 | Amarande | do they have native linux support for that yet? |
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| 00:27.04 | azeem | chealer_: why not? |
| 00:27.13 | sylvisj | Amarande: Nope. Wine FTW |
| 00:27.19 | gravity | chealer_: Why not? |
| 00:27.36 | azeem | well, the versions are off |
| 00:27.39 | chealer_ | azeem: say for mesa, unstable's version says 6.3.2-2.1 (the previous one) |
| 00:27.42 | azeem | probably due to packages.d.o being down |
| 00:27.44 | eska | okay, let's try again. anyone know why, during install, the installer says he successfuly configured the network with DHCP, yet I seem unable to communicate with remote computers? |
| 00:27.45 | gravity | Ah |
| 00:27.46 | Amarande | sylvisj: is the 0.9.6 from winehq significantly better than the 0.9 in etch? |
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| 00:28.03 | gravity | chealer_: Ok, the maintainer listed in those first two is simply the person who uploaded the package |
| 00:28.03 | chealer_ | I don't know if maintainers and uploaders are updated dynamically |
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| 00:28.07 | Zvpun | eska: define communicate with remote computers |
| 00:28.19 | azeem | chealer_: they aren't |
| 00:28.21 | gravity | chealer_: Neither I nor Christoph hijacked the package |
| 00:28.29 | azeem | chealer_: again, the Maintainer: in .changes has no bearing at all |
| 00:28.35 | sylvisj | Amarande: I'm on 0.9.6 in Etch. It's been very good to me. |
| 00:28.37 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 00:28.39 | azeem | chealer_: the Changed-By: determines whether it's an NMU or not |
| 00:28.59 | eska | Zvpun, I'm still in the install, and the installer is asking me where it should fetch apt packages or whatever, and the connextion keeps tiing out. also, if I go to a shell, I can't ping remote 'puters |
| 00:29.03 | Amarande | sylvis: is there a dpkg for that? |
| 00:29.03 | xored | how can i activate dma on a drive ? |
| 00:29.05 | Amarande | maybe in sid? |
| 00:29.08 | eska | timing* |
| 00:29.28 | azeem | eska: can you ping the gateway? |
| 00:29.36 | sylvisj | Amarande: Nope. Depending on the games you play, you'll have to self-compile. |
| 00:29.39 | azeem | or the computer you got the DHCP from? |
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| 00:29.59 | Amarande | sylvisj, or at least a .dsc file so I can install it the Debian way? |
| 00:30.04 | eska | azeem, yes, it works |
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| 00:30.17 | chealer_ | gravity: but Christoph Berg isn't "Mesa package maintainers" |
| 00:30.28 | Amarande | err ... wait, you need more than just the .dsc file to make a proper debian sources package, don't you |
| 00:30.34 | azeem | chealer_: no |
| 00:30.36 | gravity | chealer_: You're correct |
| 00:30.38 | azeem | chealer_: it was an NMU |
| 00:30.40 | gravity | chealer_: He NMU'ed it |
| 00:30.41 | Zvpun | eska: did dhcp respond? do you get an ip address? what does ifconfig say? |
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| 00:30.47 | sylvisj | Amarande: Just compile it. |
| 00:30.49 | gravity | chealer_: Do you understand what an NMU means? |
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| 00:30.58 | chealer_ | azeem/gravity: I know |
| 00:31.01 | chealer_ | gravity: yes |
| 00:31.11 | mesaboogie1 | heya |
| 00:31.13 | azeem | chealer_: I don't get what you try to argue about, sorry |
| 00:31.14 | gravity | chealer_: Then I don't see where your confusion lies. |
| 00:31.30 | mesaboogie1 | heya |
| 00:31.38 | stew | Amarande: you need the files (usually a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz) referred to in the .dsc as well |
| 00:31.39 | azeem | his Maintainer: field looks off, but as this isn't very important, there's no problem |
| 00:32.00 | eska | Zvpun : dhcp config was successfu during install, and my router gave me an IP address on the LAN ; ifconfig shows eth0 and lo, and nothing seems wrong |
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| 00:32.23 | chealer_ | gravity: if you look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mesa/news/2.html, the Maintainer listed is the "right" one. it's not the case for your upload |
| 00:32.37 | azeem | chealer_: it's *not* the right one |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | chealer_: are you still french? |
| 00:32.44 | hcy | anybody else know the answer to this? if I'm trying to completely remove latex so that I can reinstall it properly, is there any reason why I can't delete all the /*/texmf directories? are there other packages that put stuff there that I'll kill? |
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| 00:32.57 | sylvisj | Hmm... anyone know what font the Steam loader uses? |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | hcy: dpkg -S ? |
| 00:33.03 | aldarsior | Hey, what's the VPN Software De Jour ? |
| 00:33.06 | gravity | chealer_: That's odd. I don't know how that happened. I didn't change the maintainer field in debian/control |
| 00:33.07 | chealer_ | azeem: what do you mean? |
| 00:33.11 | mesaboogie1 | (excuse the noob) i want all my apps to start fullscreen, and especially when i use alt-f2, -do they all have the same argument, or does each have their own? |
| 00:33.17 | azeem | chealer_: as I said before, Maintainer: in .changes says who built/uploaded a package, not who maintains it |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | debiankid: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. read all of them |
| 00:33.33 | debiankid | abrotman really? |
| 00:33.40 | hcy | abrotman: thanks, good idea |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | debiankid: i never ever ever ever kid .. |
| 00:33.49 | azeem | chealer_: check any .changes from a buildd, it says Maintainer: Debian HPPA buildd <buildd@sarti.debian.org> or so |
| 00:33.59 | azeem | doesn't mean they hijack the whole archive |
| 00:34.03 | abrotman | kspath: beware the Spaghetti Monster! |
| 00:34.14 | azeem | +flying |
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| 00:34.21 | gravity | The last thing I want to do is hijack mesa |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot the Flying part |
| 00:34.57 | chealer_ | gravity: looking at today's d-d-c, I would have thought you were looking for something to do, no? ;) |
| 00:34.59 | mesaboogie1 | hm |
| 00:35.07 | gravity | heh |
| 00:35.13 | gravity | Yeah, I've got nothing going on at all :-) |
| 00:35.29 | sylvisj | Hmm... how do I kill a specific WINE instance? |
| 00:35.35 | kspath | !xorgsmite gravity |
| 00:35.36 | chealer_ | azeem: and what does Changed-By mean? |
| 00:35.55 | azeem | chealer_: /lastlog Changed-By |
| 00:35.56 | dondelelcaro | hcy: yeah, that's probably a good idea; but you'll need to purge the packages that those directories belong to |
| 00:36.04 | dondelelcaro | hcy: sorry, started grading papers |
| 00:36.07 | azeem | 01:22 < azeem> chealer_: the Changed-By: determines whether it's an NMU or not |
| 00:36.08 | hcy | dondelelcaro: which are? |
| 00:36.26 | hcy | dondelelcaro: don't be sorry, i apologize for being a little edgy and impatient at 2:30 AM |
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| 00:36.47 | dondelelcaro | hcy: you can figure that out by using dpkg -S; it's most likely tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-extra; |
| 00:36.51 | Amarande | I just tried to copy stuff that I need to be root to copy |
| 00:36.55 | Amarande | without first becoming root |
| 00:36.56 | dondelelcaro | hcy: no worries. |
| 00:36.57 | Amarande | heh |
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| 00:37.29 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ok i purged those already but they didn't automatically remove the /etc/texmf and /usr/share/texmf directories, plus some packages are still showing up as 'rc' - is that a concern? |
| 00:37.30 | chealer_ | azeem: what do you mean, it's not a binary field... |
| 00:37.35 | peterS | stew: I went digging in the source after saying that the other day. lo and behold, there is a mdadm --assume-clean. I haven't actually tried it. |
| 00:37.39 | azeem | chealer_: ? |
| 00:38.03 | azeem | chealer_: if the person in Changed-By is neither the Maintainer:, nor in Uploaders:, it is an NMU |
| 00:38.07 | chealer_ | azeem: well, it doesn't say Yes(NMU) or No (MU) |
| 00:38.11 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^^what peterS says |
| 00:38.27 | azeem | chealer_: Changed-By: gets populated from debian/changelog |
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| 00:38.49 | peterS | stew: btw the manpage is wrong - it says --assume-clean only works with 'build'. however, the source indicates that it also works with 'create'. make of that what you will (: |
| 00:38.50 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, but it only works for build, not create... |
| 00:38.54 | eska | okay, let's try again again. anyone know why, during install, the installer says he successfuly configured the network with DHCP, yet I seem unable to ping local machines and contact debian's servers for packages? |
| 00:39.01 | dondelelcaro | peterS: ah... |
| 00:39.10 | stew | you two talk amoungst yourselves :) |
| 00:39.15 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I wonder what the assumptions with it are? |
| 00:39.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: again, I haven't *tried* it. I was gonna add that same feature except that there it already was |
| 00:39.27 | azeem | eska: didn't you say you could ping the DHCP server? |
| 00:39.29 | peterS | dondelelcaro: not sure, I didn't dig too deep |
| 00:39.29 | dondelelcaro | hrm.. |
| 00:39.41 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, I saw that option too, I just kept ignoring it... |
| 00:39.45 | eska | azeem yess, that was a typo, it's remote machines I can't ping, sorry ;-. |
| 00:39.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: anyway ... gotta run, let me know sometime if you find out this works or doesn't |
| 00:39.46 | eska | :-/ |
| 00:39.49 | chealer_ | azeem: OK, that makes sense. so for example doest mesa 6.3.2-2.1's .changes mean that it was not built by Christoph Berg, but by someone from the Mesa team? |
| 00:39.55 | dondelelcaro | peterS: cool; I'll get someone who cares about this to play with it |
| 00:40.01 | chealer_ | s/doest/does |
| 00:40.05 | peterS | cool |
| 00:40.07 | azeem | chealer_: no, because it has the wrong Maintainer: |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | i've been poked! |
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| 00:40.26 | azeem | it *should* say Christoph Berg in Maintainer:, IMHO |
| 00:40.33 | JMTeal | is there a way to log another user out as root? |
| 00:40.35 | azeem | eska: can you ping other local machines? |
| 00:40.37 | abrotman | azeem: berg is here |
| 00:40.46 | azeem | abrotman: I know ;) |
| 00:40.49 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 00:41.04 | azeem | but it's not important enough to make a big fuzz out of it |
| 00:41.18 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:41.23 | gravity | I'm glad he did it, even if I was going to make the same fix in a few days |
| 00:41.24 | Amarande | any of you happen to use the exult package? |
| 00:41.24 | petemc | debiankid: yes |
| 00:41.31 | gravity | That mesa NMU had been in preparation for like two months |
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| 00:41.40 | debiankid | petemc how can i do that ? |
| 00:41.45 | azeem | Amarande: please ask specific questoins |
| 00:41.47 | eska | azeem, yes, I can ping other local machines (i.e. this very one I'm typing on right now) |
| 00:41.51 | JMTeal | is there a way to log another user out as root? |
| 00:41.57 | azeem | eska: and those can access the internet fine? |
| 00:42.00 | gravity | It's not every day you do an NMU to rename a package set :-p |
| 00:42.04 | eska | yes azeem |
| 00:42.05 | jeeves_ | all: hello all. Is nvz, ShadowCat, or pike in here? |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | JMTeal: kill <pid of shell> |
| 00:42.11 | azeem | JMTeal: you can kill all their processes |
| 00:42.26 | Amarande | azeem: do the ultima 7 game files need to be made to have all lowercase filenames? |
| 00:42.26 | azeem | eska: did you check your networking setup and compared it to the others? |
| 00:42.27 | petemc | debiankid: add an interface eth0:1 with the address, tell iptables to forward on eth0, but specifying the address of the aliased interface with -d |
| 00:42.28 | billh | has unstable pretty much frozen recently ? |
| 00:42.29 | dmmyq5 | JMTeal: halt |
| 00:42.32 | azeem | ifconfig/route will tell you |
| 00:42.33 | Amarande | or should they remain all uppercase as copied from CD? |
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| 00:42.36 | debiankid | petemc on whitebox i know how to create a virtual ip / but on debian i dont know how can i create a virtual eth1 eth2 etc etc |
| 00:42.45 | jeeves_ | all: any one know the init.d reset for the USB bus? |
| 00:42.49 | dondelelcaro | JMTeal: use slay to do it. |
| 00:42.51 | JMTeal | abrotman yes but i have many sshd processes up.. how can i tell which user is which? |
| 00:43.05 | debiankid | ps fax |grep sshd |
| 00:43.07 | kspath | abrotman: where there is no innocent user named shell? |
| 00:43.10 | petemc | debiankid: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:43.11 | azeem | Amarande: does it not work? |
| 00:43.12 | eska | azeem, this how do I do that? this here computer is running windows, the other one is in the middle of a debian install |
| 00:43.25 | jeeves_ | abrotman: hey guy, thought I'd find you in here. |
| 00:43.26 | JMTeal | also i tried ps -u but it said there were no processes... sshd was not run by the user right? |
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| 00:43.27 | Amarande | haven't tried yet |
| 00:43.31 | azeem | eska: you can run ifconfig/route from the console on alt+f2 |
| 00:43.32 | Amarande | right now i'm chmod'ing the files |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | jeeves_: ? |
| 00:43.33 | chealer_ | azeem: OK then |
| 00:43.35 | billh | ah, huge KDE update |
| 00:43.40 | azeem | Amarande: chmod? |
| 00:43.44 | mesaboogie1 | the cookbook says to try xffm -geometry 450x500 ,does that sound right to you? |
| 00:43.46 | JMTeal | dondel slay is a package or is it builtin? |
| 00:43.55 | Amarande | azeem: they all come off the CD in mode 555 |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | JMTeal: you let root users login remotely ? |
| 00:43.59 | dondelelcaro | JMTeal: it's a package |
| 00:43.59 | Amarande | when they should probably be 644 |
| 00:44.05 | jeeves_ | abrotman: don't you rember me? Mr. 9 servers in the kitchen and the hott blonde fiance? |
| 00:44.05 | mesaboogie1 | [xffm -geometry 450x500] |
| 00:44.07 | hcy | dondelelcaro: ok i think i cleaned everything out. i'm trying to install it again |
| 00:44.17 | chealer_ | azeem: I don't really see why you say a "big fuzz" has been made though |
| 00:44.22 | JMTeal | only from my local network |
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| 00:44.43 | mesaboogie1 | sorry i don't wanta get in the way here |
| 00:44.54 | eska | azeem : ifconfig shows plenty of info, what should I look at? IP? hardware address? |
| 00:44.59 | azeem | chealer_: it hasn't. I just meant we don't need to include Christoph in this discussion |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | jeeves_: you have a hot blonde fiance and you keep her in the server room ? |
| 00:45.05 | azeem | eska: IP |
| 00:45.16 | mesaboogie1 | i just want to start all my apps full-screen, can someone have a private chat (quick) with me on this??? |
| 00:45.25 | Amarande | jeeves: how did you get a girl spending that much time with servers? :) |
| 00:45.31 | azeem | eska: then try to ping the debian box from your windows one |
| 00:45.32 | jeeves_ | abrotman: no. but anyways. how do you reset the USB bus to see new devices? |
| 00:45.39 | phaedral | evening all |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | jeeves_: probably unload/reload the modules .. that's about all i can guess .. i thought USB was supposed to do it automagically |
| 00:45.59 | chealer_ | azeem: what? I just mentionned Christoph since he did an NMU as an example to explain my question/the inconsistency |
| 00:46.01 | mesaboogie1 | hey phaedral, can you help me please? |
| 00:46.07 | eska | azeem : it works, the linux machine responds to ping |
| 00:46.14 | sylvisj | How do I kill a single, specific WINE instance? |
| 00:46.16 | phaedral | thinking of trying out blootbot; apt-get install blootbot should do me? |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | supposedly |
| 00:46.29 | azeem | chealer_: and abrotman suggested we could just talk to him here. |
| 00:46.36 | azeem | chealer_: I replying to him, not you |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | we can ? |
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| 00:46.53 | abrotman | azeem: we should not talk to quebecois in this channel! |
| 00:47.15 | chealer_ | azeem: ah, I didn't notice what abrotman said |
| 00:47.26 | abrotman | why is it always my fault? |
| 00:47.26 | jeeves_ | abrotman: so did I. I interupted the network config by unplugging the USB WiFi box, now it won't show up on the lsubs. even if I unplug it. |
| 00:47.32 | sylvisj | Anyone? I wanna get CS:S up.. |
| 00:47.41 | abrotman | jeeves_: hotplug ? udev ? |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | usbmgr ? |
| 00:47.53 | chealer_ | except his question about my language. if I forgot to answer, yes, I still speak French! |
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| 00:48.32 | chealer_ | abrotman: who else's fault could it be? |
| 00:48.43 | azeem | eska: can you ping 66.249.93.99 ? |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 00:48.45 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 00:48.52 | jeeves_ | abrotman: is there a way to restart the hotplug module under init.d? |
| 00:49.22 | chealer_ | abrotman: it's not like there were many people in this channel. there's you, me, and a few other hundreds of people |
| 00:49.36 | abrotman | jeeves_: i don't have hotplug anymore .. yay udev! |
| 00:49.36 | eska | azeem : yes, it works o_O |
| 00:49.44 | azeem | eska: so you DNS is not working |
| 00:49.52 | Amarande | okay, why does exult tell me I can't have sound? |
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| 00:50.04 | azeem | eska: your DHCP server is not giving you a DNS server for /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:50.16 | jeeves_ | abrotman: ??? |
| 00:50.23 | azeem | eska: check which DNS server the Windows machine uses and put that into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:50.29 | abrotman | jeeves_: /etc/init.t/hotplug<tab><tab> restart ? |
| 00:50.54 | eska | azeem : cool, would you happen to know where I find that info in windows? |
| 00:51.04 | abrotman | ipconfig /all |
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| 00:51.37 | azeem | eska: what abrotman said |
| 00:52.06 | jeeves_ | abrotman: ok, one sec. I'm trying to get airdump to work with it. |
| 00:52.17 | eska | what the... my DNS server is my router, azeem, is this normal? |
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| 00:52.22 | azeem | yes |
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| 00:52.36 | azeem | they tend to carry forwarding DNS servers |
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| 00:52.52 | jeeves_ | abrotman: well, it sees it if I lsusb, but my network connections tab dosen't see it. |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | jeeves_: tab? |
| 00:53.11 | hcy | dondelelcaro: it happened again... |
| 00:53.21 | eska | azeem : /etc/resolv.conf contains the line "nameserver 192.168.1.1", which happens to be the very same router. |
| 00:53.27 | hcy | dondelelcaro: fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found. |
| 00:53.27 | jeeves_ | abrotman: don't say anything to anyone, but I'm running Ubuntu |
| 00:53.32 | mae | how can i receive inbound vnc connections if I am behind a firewall that blocks everything. is there a way i can setup a gre tunnel where i initiate a connection to another pc and then he can access my computer through this "virtual" network? |
| 00:53.38 | abrotman | jeeves_: only 797 people noticed |
| 00:53.54 | jeeves_ | abrotman: did you know that this month, IBM certed Ubuntu? |
| 00:53.58 | azeem | eska: so you're saying ping 66.249.93.104 works, but ping www.google.com doesn't? |
| 00:54.13 | azeem | eska: then it is a problem with your router I guess |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | jeeves_: good for them .. but it's still not Debian :) |
| 00:54.45 | hcy | dondelelcaro: why me :( |
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| 00:55.00 | jeeves_ | abrotman: how do you figure? its running a debian core. |
| 00:55.04 | kspath | !ubuntu |
| 00:55.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 00:55.12 | azeem | jeeves_: this discussion is off topic here |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | jeeves_: please don't argue .. ubuntu is not debian |
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| 00:55.27 | rr73 | etch out yet? |
| 00:55.30 | azeem | no |
| 00:55.31 | eska | azeem : wait a minute... ping www.google.com *does* work... but the apt connection to debian servers still keeps timing out :-/ |
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| 00:55.36 | abrotman | !tell rr73 about wwer |
| 00:55.40 | azeem | haha |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | fucking gentoobies |
| 00:55.47 | phaedral | jeeves_: do the smart thing; don't argue |
| 00:56.05 | azeem | eska: maybe try another one then |
| 00:56.05 | jeeves_ | phardral: lol, my boss said that. then I got his ass fired. |
| 00:56.15 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 00:56.31 | Amarande | anyone know a utility to mass convert filenames in a directory from all uppercase to all lowercase? |
| 00:56.31 | jeeves_ | abrotman: I know its not debian, but still, the concept is kinda simmlier, and I've learned a lot |
| 00:56.32 | rr73 | i know |
| 00:56.37 | rr73 | just checking |
| 00:56.37 | eska | azeem : this is the third one I've tried ; how do I interrupt the request without waiting for the timeout? |
| 00:56.38 | Amarande | such as may be necessary after copying off a DOS-format CD? |
| 00:56.38 | rr73 | god |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | !tell rr73 about wwer |
| 00:56.42 | rr73 | omfg |
| 00:56.49 | azeem | eska: ^c |
| 00:56.52 | azeem | I think |
| 00:56.56 | rr73 | idc |
| 00:57.00 | rr73 | was just checking |
| 00:57.01 | Azar | DOS-format CD no such in Debian Amarande |
| 00:57.03 | phaedral | jeeves_: you won't get anyone fired at #debian, but you will find it a lot harder to get help from people who don't have any reason to give you the time of day other than your behavior in their community... |
| 00:57.08 | azeem | rr73: please use return where appropriate |
| 00:57.15 | Amarande | Azar: I mean as in, after you copy files from a CD from the DOS days |
| 00:57.19 | abrotman | or rip it off the keyboard |
| 00:57.20 | Amarande | where the filenames are all in uppercase |
| 00:57.22 | rr73 | omfg not these aolonics haters |
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| 00:57.25 | Amarande | is there a quick tool to convert them all to lowercase? |
| 00:57.27 | Azar | Amarande no such |
| 00:57.34 | jeeves_ | phaedral: I know, I'm NOT trying to make "waves" |
| 00:57.35 | rr73 | forgot how much i hated this chan full of donkeys |
| 00:57.40 | azeem | Amarande: did you try yet? |
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| 00:57.54 | Amarande | azeem: it's loading, but I'm not getting any sound |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | could you like .. ban him ? |
| 00:58.02 | Amarande | and there keeps being a file in my home directory generated with the name u7midi |
| 00:58.05 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 00:58.06 | Shadowcat | http://www.bash.org/?598537 |
| 00:58.06 | azeem | Amarande: I think that's normal |
| 00:58.08 | Amarande | size 15593 |
| 00:58.09 | eska | azeem : tried it before, won't do; anyway I'll wait for the timeout, and try a fourth debian server, but I fear at still won't work :-/ |
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| 00:58.20 | azeem | Amarande: unless you have a Roland MT32 |
| 00:58.32 | Amarande | azeem: I believe it installed timidity |
| 00:58.33 | phaedral | jeeves_: cool; #debian has some capital-G gurus |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | rotating door ? |
| 00:58.44 | kspath | abrotman: banning them will not educate them but it will prevent them from annoying others here. |
| 00:58.44 | phaedral | wish i remembered how to "knoppix-smite" |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | kspath: that's just fine with me |
| 00:58.57 | azeem | Amarande: I don't expect that to be because of file name problems, if the rest works |
| 00:58.59 | rr73 | FUCKING STOP IT I DONT GIVE A SHIT, I DONT CARE IF IM BANNED EITHER ALL YOU ASSES SUCK COCK FOR A LIVING |
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| 00:59.03 | abrotman | !knoppixsmite phaedral |
| 00:59.10 | Azar | devoice |
| 00:59.13 | xored | how to disable password login in SSH ? |
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| 00:59.17 | hcy | anybody have an idea why this apt-get script is parsing a file wrong? it's supposed to be a table, columns separated with tabs. but if there's more than one tab between columns in a row it gets a value of '' instead of the proper value. Anyone know why? |
| 00:59.20 | phaedral | ;) |
| 00:59.30 | phaedral | s/knoppix/ubuntu |
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| 00:59.41 | jeeves_ | phardral: it would be nice if I could get this damn desktop box (POS) to accept my D-link 510+ card so I could run aircrack. Now I've got an Intel USB WiFi adaptor pluged in, and even it won't work. |
| 00:59.43 | eska | azeem : trying yet a different server, ftp.debian.org/debian this time... still no response. |
| 00:59.49 | kspath | !ubuntusmite phaedral |
| 00:59.59 | starfishy | hcy: maybe because you set the separator character wrong? |
| 01:00.02 | starfishy | just a thought |
| 01:00.15 | hcy | starfishy: well, i didn't set it to anything, but what should it be? |
| 01:00.16 | phaedral | I should've known; haven't been around much lately :) |
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| 01:00.40 | azeem | eska: do you need an HTTP proxy, maybe? |
| 01:00.42 | starfishy | id say it largely depends on the scripting language :) |
| 01:00.46 | Amarande | I -am- getting sound, though, but not music |
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| 01:01.02 | hcy | starfishy: this is tetex-bin's setup script |
| 01:01.03 | eska | azeem, I don't know, do I? it setting one up easy enough? |
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| 01:01.10 | starfishy | ic |
| 01:01.24 | kspath | hehehe |
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| 01:01.35 | hcy | starfishy: it seems to be a bash script |
| 01:01.37 | phaedral | jeeves_: wish i had the chops to help out; i ain't that guy |
| 01:01.46 | Amarande | off-topic, I always have to wonder just how Lord British sends the Avatar through the Serpent Pillars to the Serpent Isle |
| 01:01.50 | azeem | eska: if you don't need one for Windows, you shouldn't need one for Linux |
| 01:01.59 | Amarande | like, I played Ultima 7, and there was no land formation in Britannia that even so much as resembled that :) |
| 01:02.02 | konfuzed | JMTeal: change his password |
| 01:02.05 | azeem | Amarande: it's the pillars themselves, I thought |
| 01:02.09 | phaedral | hell, i'm still struggling to get an errant infobot to take factoids |
| 01:02.11 | kspath | Amarande: Majik? |
| 01:02.13 | jeeves_ | phaedral: NP. Its commen for the issues that I have to be "odd" as hell |
| 01:02.14 | Amarande | And since U7's world is a donut, there's no room for there to be anything 'off the map' |
| 01:02.15 | konfuzed | sorry deja vu |
| 01:02.27 | starfishy | hcy: look at the line that does the actual parsing |
| 01:02.33 | eska | azeem : windows is not using a proxy |
| 01:02.42 | azeem | Amarande: I think you're confusing technical implementations with a fantasy world |
| 01:02.58 | jeeves_ | abrotman: have you been following this convo? |
| 01:03.13 | azeem | Amarande: did you check exult.sf.net for hints on how to get music? Especially the FAQ? |
| 01:03.14 | starfishy | depending on what tool is used, the column separator is probably defined on the command line |
| 01:03.18 | drp | how can I list what version a specific package is using apt |
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| 01:03.36 | Amarande | and dammit, speaking of music, GNOME's CD player is broken. :/ |
| 01:03.44 | azeem | eska: are you installing from a full CD1? |
| 01:03.54 | bushito | how the heck can i install my ati on unstable?? T_T |
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| 01:04.05 | darkpadden | drp, apt-cache show <package> |
| 01:04.10 | deadcat | bushito: stick the damn card in the machine |
| 01:04.15 | jeeves_ | phaedral: are you any good with USB GPS devices? |
| 01:04.22 | starfishy | and chances are it should be something like \s+ instead of \s |
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| 01:04.35 | chealer_ | azeem: thanks for your enlightening |
| 01:04.45 | azeem | np |
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| 01:04.54 | phaedral | jeeves_: i'm a real novice; social skill vastly outstip my technical skills |
| 01:04.54 | eska | azeem, yes, I downloaded the ISO using bittorrent, it finished some hours ago so I assume it's a recent version |
| 01:04.54 | bushito | deadcat: i mean the drivers >_> |
| 01:05.02 | phaedral | see what i mean? |
| 01:05.04 | starfishy | \s is one whitespace character (tab is whitespace), \s+ is an unbroken chain of whitespace characters with at least one member |
| 01:05.15 | azeem | eska: ok, so I suggest you finish off the install without using apt-get for now |
| 01:05.16 | starfishy | anyway, i must be off, good luck hunting the bug |
| 01:05.22 | starfishy | 'later |
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| 01:05.28 | azeem | eska: and then try to debug your networking problems when you got a full system running |
| 01:05.30 | jeeves_ | phardral: lol, your social skills? I've been in retail for 10+ YEARS!!! |
| 01:06.03 | eska | azeem, okay, I'll get back to you then, thanks :-) |
| 01:06.12 | azeem | eska: get back to the chan |
| 01:06.19 | azeem | that's way more effective |
| 01:06.23 | azeem | I'm off to bed now anyway |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | jeeves_: which one |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:06.51 | drp | I'm trying to install the ndiswrapper from source and it's giving me these errors whenever I try to make it |
| 01:06.54 | drp | I'll post them in #flood |
| 01:07.48 | jeeves_ | Abrotman: the help required with this damn USB WiFi unit, and with a USB GPS unit. |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | gps? |
| 01:08.09 | kspath | jeeves_ did you ever get that machine that would not remain on to work as you wanted? |
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| 01:09.30 | jeeves_ | kspath: nope, unless I pull the BIOS battery, it won't power on. I think I'm going to get the shotgun out to do some target pratice. I think its a glitchy BIOS (yes I tried flashing it again) |
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| 01:11.30 | odla | abrotman: did you sign damog's abrotman petition? |
| 01:11.44 | Amarande | okay, this is enlightening. |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | i don't think i'm allowed |
| 01:11.51 | Amarande | timidity didn't install any instrument patches along with it? |
| 01:11.55 | ryanium | what petition |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | to send me to foreign lands |
| 01:12.12 | gravity | To make abrotman wear his umbrella hat ALL THE TIME |
| 01:12.13 | Amarande | shouldn't it depend on a basic set of instrument patches, ideally? |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | it might be a ploy to get me killed |
| 01:12.18 | damog | lol |
| 01:12.31 | ryanium | im so confused :( |
| 01:12.33 | kspath | jeeves_ this might sound odd but there is no dusty? dirt? cooking grease? that built up in it. I am serious btw. When people cook on the stove VERY small droplets of oil and/or water and smoke float around and will stick to anything. If your server has been in the kitchen for any length of time when real cooking is going on than odd things might be happening with partial contact. |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | gravity: you just wait . you will wear the hat! |
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| 01:12.42 | damog | I should invite to sign the petition the people on debian-curiosa |
| 01:12.45 | gravity | abrotman: Not this year, even if you do go to Mexico |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | gravity: i can make it to boston .. my sister wants me to come up for passover :) |
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| 01:13.14 | gravity | abrotman: Heh, well if you do we could maybe do a Debian get-together of sorts |
| 01:13.14 | hcy | thanks guys, 3:15 AM, I gotta hit the hay, or what ever's left of it |
| 01:13.15 | Amarande | hmm, let's see if things work AFTER I install freepats |
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| 01:13.30 | Azar | abrotman I can offer my personal translator services |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | Azar: in boston? |
| 01:13.43 | Azar | :) why not? |
| 01:13.54 | abrotman | i speak "down east" just fine thanks .. |
| 01:14.03 | odla | abrotman: down east is not boston |
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| 01:14.17 | dvs | odla: NS? |
| 01:14.23 | jeeves_ | kspath: when I say its in my kitchen, I've got a VERY long/narrow kitchen. It sits @ the FAR end. Yes, I've de-sodered it from the board, dropped it in the solvent that thet use to clean boards before wave sodering, etc. I've even replaced the battery. |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | odla: i'm aware of that .. i meant the accent .. not the words .. and the accent isn't even that thick |
| 01:14.26 | ryanium | =[ |
| 01:14.39 | odla | abrotman: ok...don't confuse a cool state with a shitty one |
| 01:14.44 | damog | heh |
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| 01:14.57 | odla | dvs: nova scotia? |
| 01:14.58 | Azar | abrotman: I know how to protect against snubidities in Boston |
| 01:15.00 | abrotman | odla: i showed guerin the "Bob & I" stuff the other day :) |
| 01:15.07 | dvs | odla: Yeah? |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | dvs: aren't you in brazil ? |
| 01:15.26 | odla | dvs: that works for me...but i was thinking of maine |
| 01:15.27 | dvs | abrotman: No, eh? |
| 01:15.31 | drp | how do I change the symolic link from gcc->gcc-4.0 to gcc->gcc-3.3 |
| 01:15.33 | abrotman | dvs: canada! |
| 01:15.36 | odla | abrotman: he's a canuck |
| 01:15.43 | dvs | abrotman: How'd you guess? |
| 01:15.46 | odla | dvs: toronto? |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | dvs: eh? |
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| 01:15.58 | dvs | odla: Durham. Close enough |
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| 01:16.29 | odla | dvs: there's like no snow up here and it's not even that cold in edmonton...it seems pretty f-ed up |
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| 01:16.41 | kspath | canucks can not drive |
| 01:16.42 | dvs | odla: And the problem is?.... |
| 01:17.03 | odla | dvs: it's edmonton...i should be freezing my nuts off now |
| 01:17.28 | dvs | odla: You WANT to freeze your nuts off? I don't mind the weather at all. |
| 01:17.57 | zebalin4 | Hi folks. I want to install debian testing with the (new) net installer. I did some research. I ask this. If I choose 'desktop' as a choice in tasksel, will I get both gnome and KDE, just gnome, or just kde? |
| 01:18.02 | odla | dvs: i do like the cold and the snow...so yeah |
| 01:18.14 | dvs | kspath: Sure we can. How do you think we get our great coffee? |
| 01:18.25 | odla | lindenle: spaghetti monster? |
| 01:18.31 | jetscreamer | both zebalin4 |
| 01:18.34 | dvs | odla: Bah |
| 01:18.40 | jetscreamer | zebalin4: don't use tasksel imo |
| 01:18.45 | lindenle | odla: yep |
| 01:18.58 | zebalin4 | jetscreamer: just choose 'standard' as the selection? |
| 01:19.08 | odla | lindenle: are you a pastafarian? |
| 01:19.12 | zebalin4 | What is wrong with tasksel? |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | zebalin4: skip tasksel .. then isntall what you want with apt-get/aptitude |
| 01:19.16 | damog | petition now sent to -curiosa |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 01:19.24 | damog | :) |
| 01:19.25 | lindenle | odla: no just like some of the theories |
| 01:19.32 | lindenle | odla: I adapt from many religions |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | damog: at what number *must* i go ? |
| 01:19.40 | jetscreamer | zebalin4: i don't know, i don't use tasksel :) i know you would get both kde and gnome though... tasksel makes for too much kruft |
| 01:19.43 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 01:19.44 | damog | abrotman: 50 |
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| 01:19.53 | damog | I think I could get 50 supporters |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | damog: i still have to get it approved by bosses . .and 10 days is a long time |
| 01:20.09 | damog | abrotman: Then start soon. |
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| 01:20.25 | kspath | dvs: My few samples of canucks driving tells me otherwise. I thought Chicagoland drivers were bad but when I saw 1/3 of the drivers around Toronto driving badly I was shocked. I had imagined that Canadians might be more educated and better drivers. |
| 01:20.33 | zebalin4 | jetscreamer: I have plenty of room. If I do it on my own I have to remember to install cups and the foomatic stuff, and some alsa stuff... it's not fun. |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | damog: it's a simple yes/no |
| 01:20.49 | Amarande | ahh, there's an unfortunate package name. "dmsetup." :) |
| 01:20.53 | damog | abrotman: Show them the petition! |
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| 01:21.11 | dvs | kspath: God. Toronto drivers are pretty bad. If you go at least 50 miles out of the city they become better. |
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| 01:21.13 | abrotman | damog: they will be less than impressed by ThE CooOKKIE monster |
| 01:21.19 | jetscreamer | zebalin4: go for it then if you wish |
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| 01:21.23 | damog | abrotman: If Greenpeace can stop governments from killing whales, you can get a permission with a petition :) |
| 01:21.29 | kspath | dvs: You mean the survivors? |
| 01:21.34 | damog | abrotman: lol |
| 01:21.37 | odla | abrotman: you should totally show your boss the petition |
| 01:21.48 | dvs | kspath: No, the sane people who are fed up with the bad drivers. ;-) |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | i should not |
| 01:21.49 | kspath | dvs: ;-) |
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| 01:21.58 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:22.03 | ryanium | wow |
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| 01:22.09 | ryanium | thats the gayest thing i have ever seen |
| 01:22.10 | kspath | bye bye |
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| 01:22.15 | zebalin4 | jetscreamer: wha't the worse that can happen? If I don't like it I can always do it the other way. Maybe if there was a list of 'what to install' to get a multi-media desktop, that would help. |
| 01:22.16 | ryanium | lol |
| 01:22.33 | xored_ | iam getting this error when trying hdparm -Tt /dev/hde : could not allocate sharedmem buf: Function not implemented -> what does that mean ? |
| 01:22.39 | dondelelcaro | wonder why he thinks mutt is on workspace 4? |
| 01:22.43 | jetscreamer | zebalin4: it's no biggie, go for it |
| 01:22.51 | odla | dondelelcaro: ha ha |
| 01:23.05 | drp | I had more than 3 he was a liar |
| 01:23.09 | damog | dondelelcaro: It may work in some cases. |
| 01:23.11 | kspath | Twee thought Alt-F4 would hurt someone? |
| 01:23.14 | dvs | It's a Windows virus! Alt-F4 closes windows |
| 01:23.38 | aaron_ | hi i was wondering anyone knew an IDS i could use to filter outbound traffic |
| 01:23.50 | zebalin4 | jetscreamer: will do it tonight. I think I want to try out testing as I'm tired of the the problems with unstable (kanotix, old mepis, etc.) |
| 01:23.51 | odla | when is debconf? |
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| 01:23.53 | kspath | hehehe been so long since I used windows I forgot that. Thanks dvs. |
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| 01:24.01 | damog | odla: May 14-22 |
| 01:24.05 | odla | oh |
| 01:24.13 | IdahoEv | do i need to do anything special to edit /etc/aliases (i.e. like 'vipw') or can i just hack at it with an editor? |
| 01:24.14 | dvs | kspath: No prob. ;-) |
| 01:24.26 | zebalin4 | damog: what does ctl-q do in outlook? |
| 01:24.38 | dondelelcaro | zebalin4: no clue. In many cases, it does XOFF |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | IdahoEv: maybe make a backup first .. but knock yourself out |
| 01:24.46 | Amarande | I should set up my printer, probably. |
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| 01:24.51 | dondelelcaro | s/XOFF/XON/ |
| 01:24.52 | damog | zebalin4: Nothing, AFAIK. |
| 01:25.05 | odla | damog: you should have used ctrl+alt+backspace for your email virus |
| 01:25.06 | kspath | How many windows users will use ctrl-alt-del to get their email? |
| 01:25.11 | Amarande | which printer daemon system does Debian usually use? |
| 01:25.17 | IdahoEv | abrotman: thanks. i just need to set the root: some-user redirect that I forgot to do during setup |
| 01:25.20 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: cups or lprng or lpr |
| 01:25.20 | dvs | Amarande: I use CUPS |
| 01:25.26 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: use whatever one you like. |
| 01:25.36 | damog | odla: On Outlook? :OO |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | IdahoEv: there should already be a linein there for root |
| 01:25.50 | xored_ | abrotman: could you help me a bit ? |
| 01:26.03 | aaron_ | is there any good IDS applications out there for debian that filteres traffic? |
| 01:26.09 | damog | abrotman: see? You are requested everywhere |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | odla: by who ? |
| 01:26.26 | odla | abrotman: ubuntu users |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:26.28 | Azar | question: I removed exim and exim4 long ago why I keep seeing exim4 "listening" ? |
| 01:26.29 | dvs | ahahahaha |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | xored_: if you asked a question . i missed it |
| 01:26.37 | IdahoEv | abrotman: yeah, it forwards to a non-existant user. I just needed to switch it to me. |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:26.45 | xored_ | abrotman: iam getting this error when trying hdparm -Tt /dev/hde : could not allocate sharedmem buf: Function not implemented -> what does that mean ? |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | IdahoEv: good plan |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | xored_: is this your own kernel ? |
| 01:27.12 | xored_ | yeah, i finally got anything working |
| 01:27.20 | abrotman | what if you try a debian kernle ? |
| 01:27.21 | Amarande | "Package cups is not available"? |
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| 01:27.24 | odla | what part of mexico is oaxtepec in? |
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| 01:27.30 | abrotman | Amarande: apt-cache search cups |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | odla: debconf.org |
| 01:27.35 | damog | odla: One hour to the south of Mexico City |
| 01:27.46 | Azar | its like one gets one leg amputated but all life keeps feeling pain on that leg.. |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | damog: i could rent a goat to make it! |
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| 01:27.48 | damog | odla: Err... 1.5 hors. |
| 01:27.49 | xored_ | abrotman: its the same with 2.4er i get a strange DMA error on booting that drive |
| 01:27.59 | odla | damog: mexico's pretty mountainous huh? |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | xored_: what kind of drive is it ? |
| 01:28.11 | damog | odla: Central Mexico yes. |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | :kill the dogs |
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| 01:28.32 | Amarande | ahh, CUPS is already installed |
| 01:28.40 | xored_ | abrotman: 40GB seagate, UDMA 4 |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | odla: they taste good with salsa ? |
| 01:28.51 | aaron_ | hey abrotman where are you from? |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | odla: how about brazillian river otters? |
| 01:28.59 | odla | abrotman: i bet they taste a little fishy |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman | aaron_: PA |
| 01:29.07 | odla | abrotman: the giant otters? |
| 01:29.10 | aaron_ | bangor? |
| 01:29.20 | odla | aaron_: maine? |
| 01:29.21 | xored_ | abrotman: i tryied to sync my raid1 back, 123 mins to do ( normaly udner 2 mins under the old system) |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | aaron_: my mom used to live in Maine |
| 01:29.21 | damog | odla: otters? |
| 01:29.30 | kspath | odla: salt water or fresh water otter? |
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| 01:29.41 | abrotman | aaron_: i'm closer to you than bangor, me |
| 01:29.54 | odla | kspath: the NA river otter lives in both fresh and salt water |
| 01:30.02 | odla | damog: lontra canadensis |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | xored_: it errors that it can't use shared mem ? |
| 01:30.13 | kspath | odla: neat! |
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| 01:30.15 | aaron_ | bangor, pa |
| 01:30.24 | IdahoEv | how much security risk is added by having port 25 open with exim4/stable/latest listening? Previously, I only had ssh/22 and ssl/443 open through my NAT router. |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | aaron_: i think that Colonial Park mall is better than the East Mall :) |
| 01:30.33 | SperMite | what comand list the audio device drivers? |
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| 01:31.00 | aaron_ | i think they all are terrible |
| 01:31.06 | kspath | IdahoEv: 0.05% |
| 01:31.09 | odla | kspath: otters in alberta |
| 01:31.14 | xored_ | abrotman: no it errors something like wainting on DMA sync. Then i desabled DMA on by default inthe kernel and it worked |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | aaron_: you're in a-town or h-burg ? |
| 01:31.16 | aaron_ | your name nick looks very fimilar |
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| 01:31.22 | abrotman | haha |
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| 01:31.25 | IdahoEv | kspath: i guess that's no so scary then |
| 01:31.33 | aaron_ | im in bangor, pa haha |
| 01:31.36 | gravity | nice |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | that's almost worth a qotd |
| 01:31.39 | xored_ | abrotman: but as i now install hdparm and wnat to run a benchmark, i get this error on both drives |
| 01:31.43 | dvs | oh sh*t! |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | aaron_: i grew up in danville, pa |
| 01:32.26 | kspath | IdahoEv: it is not something that can be defined as how much risk. If you really need to know than audit all the exim code |
| 01:32.27 | EmleyMoor | Are bootable Windows CDs "El Torito" format? I am doing a job which involves them and my writer, sensibly, is on my Debian box |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | xored_: would that be all drives? |
| 01:32.44 | zinx | EmleyMoor: any bootable cd follows El Torito |
| 01:32.50 | aaron_ | well, i was wondering if anyone knew a way for snort to block its detections |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | aaron_: but what does this have to do with bangor, pa ? |
| 01:33.09 | xored_ | abrotman: yes. i got a other 40 GB drive, on which debian is installed. |
| 01:33.10 | EmleyMoor | zinx: As opposed to being "Generic bootable" I guess... |
| 01:33.18 | xored_ | xored_: fails on both |
| 01:33.26 | Amarande | okay, it would help if my printer was properly hooked into the network, I suppose |
| 01:33.26 | aaron_ | your name looked fimilar i was looking to see if i knew you |
| 01:33.28 | EmleyMoor | Well, I should, with some complications, be able to do this job then :-) |
| 01:33.34 | aaron_ | i think you helped me with a problem before |
| 01:33.40 | abrotman | aaron_: are you involved with SEUL ? |
| 01:33.42 | zinx | EmleyMoor: El Torito is the only way for a CD to boot.. it's the only thing BIOSes pay any attention to as far as booting goes. |
| 01:33.49 | IdahoEv | kspath: well, i'm obviously not qualified to do that and have a reasonable answer. :-) I am just hoping that opening up SMTP doesn't mean I'm likely to be compromised tomorrow. |
| 01:34.03 | EmleyMoor | Great - should work then, provided the image comes out the right size |
| 01:34.08 | kspath | IdahoEv: A better question would have been. Is there anything I can do to lock down exim or filter/monitor traffic that exim will be working with. Maybe you could have asked if there is anything that you should know about exim. |
| 01:34.40 | aaron_ | abrotman: no im not |
| 01:34.43 | IdahoEv | kspath: good point. I will google around a bit before wasting your time, though. |
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| 01:34.50 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:35.22 | aaron_ | abrotman do you know where i could go to get my question answered? |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | kawfee: go away |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | aaron_: i missed it |
| 01:35.36 | kspath | IdahoEv: Reading up on Exim configs and any security releases regarding Exim in the past/current. Check security sites for ANY references to Exim past or present. |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | aaron_: isn't there a #snort ? |
| 01:35.48 | IdahoEv | kspath: thank you |
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| 01:36.14 | aaron_ | abrotman, how do you select my name to send? |
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| 01:36.29 | abrotman | aaron_: select your name ? |
| 01:36.33 | kspath | IdahoEv: Any exposure to the world puts you at risk unless you know everything there is to know and there will always be a little more. |
| 01:36.36 | unknown_ | Where can I find information on startx? |
| 01:36.43 | gravity | unknown_: man startx? |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | rumplestilskin: you're still kawfee |
| 01:36.55 | aaron_ | like in your messages you have aaron_: |
| 01:36.57 | rumplestilskin | gravity: that might do |
| 01:36.59 | rumplestilskin | abrotman: who? |
| 01:37.00 | aaron_ | how do i do that |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | --> unknown_ (i=unknown@c-24-0-217-9.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #debian |
| 01:37.20 | rumplestilskin | abrotman: do what? |
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| 01:37.27 | rumplestilskin | abrotman: that proves nothing. |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | normally known as ban evasion |
| 01:37.44 | rumplestilskin | rumplestilskin: Just because we are on the same server doesn't mean I am him. |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | don't insult us |
| 01:37.59 | rumplestilskin | rumplestilskin: Anyways, sounds like you have it out for this fella. |
| 01:38.06 | rumplestilskin | I just need help with startx. |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | so you've been helped |
| 01:38.30 | jetscreamer | heh kawfee |
| 01:38.30 | rumplestilskin | not really, I'm not sure what I need help with. |
| 01:38.39 | rumplestilskin | =p |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | how could we possibly help you if you don't know what you need help with? |
| 01:38.51 | jetscreamer | my god you're STILL doing that? |
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| 01:38.54 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
| 01:38.57 | rumplestilskin | abrotman: That's what I am trying to find. |
| 01:39.06 | gravity | jetscreamer: Sad, huh? |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | !ops rumplestilskin is from the same IP that kawfee just got banned from |
| 01:39.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: rumplestilskin is from the same IP that kawfee just got banned from |
| 01:39.10 | xored_ | abrotman: what program is runned by "nc" ? |
| 01:39.10 | rumplestilskin | abrotman: I'll figure it out. |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | gravity: sorry .. thought you went off |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | xored_: netcat |
| 01:39.24 | gravity | I'm watching |
| 01:39.24 | odla | so debconf isn't only about debian...i see mr. shuttleworth is slated to talk |
| 01:39.31 | rumplestilskin | Who's this kawfee character? |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | odla: shhh |
| 01:39.35 | Amarande | which printer protocols do I need to turn on on my printer for CUPS to work with it? |
| 01:39.39 | rumplestilskin | He sounds like a trouble maker. |
| 01:39.41 | jetscreamer | oh yeah that was natural |
| 01:39.44 | gravity | odla: Depends on your definition of "only about debian" |
| 01:39.47 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 01:40.11 | odla | gravity: well i guess mepis and knoppix would be just as on topic as ubuntu |
| 01:40.26 | jetscreamer | so does anybody remember the original reason he does this? |
| 01:40.26 | odla | or linspire even |
| 01:40.28 | jjazz | eska: Sorry, I lost contact there for a bit. |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he's 14? |
| 01:40.37 | gravity | odla: It's up to the debconf organizers. Ubuntu, like it or not, still holds a special place among derived distros |
| 01:40.43 | Amarande | Specifically, I have a Phaser 740. |
| 01:40.45 | jetscreamer | heh linspire is a crappy implementation of debian imo |
| 01:40.45 | dvs | abrotman: You're being generous |
| 01:40.57 | jetscreamer | but hey better than mine |
| 01:41.11 | eska | s'ok jjazz. I finished the install disregarding the remote apt thing, but even now the debian FTP servers don't respond |
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| 01:41.25 | gravity | odla: All I can say is that I hope it'll be productive having him there |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm sure there are logs somewhere |
| 01:41.39 | odla | gravity: should be interesting |
| 01:41.41 | jjazz | eska: If you can get to other sites, the problem is more than likely not on your end. |
| 01:41.48 | damog | gravity: He also was in Helsinki and it was not that painful :P |
| 01:41.48 | gravity | I won't be there myself to bring up any issues, which is unfortunate because I'm basically the shining star of the collaborative effort |
| 01:41.59 | gravity | damog: Yeah, so I heard. |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | gravity: i can speak on your behalf! |
| 01:42.17 | gravity | abrotman: I appreciate it, but that's Ok :-) |
| 01:42.23 | abrotman | "yeah uh .. that thing with the mouse .. David does that" :) |
| 01:42.33 | gravity | hahaha |
| 01:42.39 | m0rbid | How do I get rid of these? perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 01:42.52 | xored_ | abrotman: the last help. i connect to my isp by pppd call dsl-provider. How to set it up under /etc/network/intefaces so that its starts up automatically ? |
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| 01:43.07 | eska | jjazz, I don't really know if I can get on other site, I'm in console mode with no text browser or IRC client (that I know of) ; but I tried accessing five different debian ftp servers, and non responds. |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | xored_: diald .. i think man ppp will have a sectino about dial on demand |
| 01:43.18 | jjazz | eska: ping google.com |
| 01:43.35 | astronut | abrotman: so are you going? |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | jjazz: still ? |
| 01:43.43 | xored_ | ok |
| 01:43.43 | jjazz | abrotman: still what? |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | astronut: i thinkt he magic number is 100 |
| 01:43.54 | astronut | abrotman: bet or something? |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | jjazz: helping with the install :) |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | astronut: i actually have to get it past my bosses .. which is 10 days |
| 01:44.17 | astronut | abrotman: ah |
| 01:44.22 | eska | jjazz : www.google.com responds to ping |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | i still have to get approval |
| 01:44.44 | odla | astronut: abrotman can't go...who will help out in #d during those days |
| 01:44.51 | jjazz | abrotman: I lost connex to this box, in the middle. That was 1.5 hours ago. I'm in via ssh and screen, so I didn't lose connex to freenode. eska says the install is fine, but he can't get to Debian sites. |
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| 01:44.58 | jjazz | eska: ping debian.org |
| 01:44.59 | odla | especially if dondelecaro takes dpkg |
| 01:45.03 | astronut | odla: that's what he'll do in the camp |
| 01:45.05 | dondelelcaro | odla: there is network access there... |
| 01:45.08 | astronut | when they're sitting around coding |
| 01:45.10 | astronut | he'll be on irc |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | jjazz: ah ok |
| 01:45.45 | dondelelcaro | there's no way DDs could handle being without network for any sizeable length of tiem |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | otherwise .. they'll kill me |
| 01:45.58 | odla | ha ha |
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| 01:46.05 | astronut | dondelelcaro: i made it a week once....on a cruise...was tough though |
| 01:46.10 | eska | jjazz : debian.org also responds to ping o_O |
| 01:46.11 | jugglinx | there s ome command i could check what FS my partitions are? |
| 01:46.15 | jugglinx | one* |
| 01:46.32 | dvs | jugglinx: mount? |
| 01:46.32 | astronut | jugglinx: type or which partition is which mount pount? |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | jugglinx: fdisk -l /dev/<drive> |
| 01:46.38 | astronut | either df -h or mount w/ no arguements |
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| 01:46.44 | dondelelcaro | most of the time I go without network for that long involves either not being in sight of land, or not seeing power for that long |
| 01:46.47 | jugglinx | type astronut |
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| 01:47.04 | astronut | jugglinx: mount |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | how do you not see land for 10 days ? |
| 01:47.21 | astronut | abrotman: eh? land != network |
| 01:47.29 | konfuzed | oh that would be bad |
| 01:47.32 | abrotman | astronut: he said not in sight of land |
| 01:47.34 | astronut | at the various ports of call, i only saw one net cafe, i was w/ family, and it was quite expensive |
| 01:47.36 | jugglinx | ok, thanks all:-) |
| 01:47.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how do you not see land for 10 days? .. |
| 01:47.50 | jjazz | eska: What address, specifcally are you failing to reach, and by what method are you trying to reach it? |
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| 01:47.56 | astronut | abrotman: cruise |
| 01:47.56 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sailboats? |
| 01:47.57 | konfuzed | oh no a boat out of reach of land for ten days |
| 01:48.03 | odla | abrotman: maybe he's in space with mark shuttlesworth |
| 01:48.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I wish |
| 01:48.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's only 4 days from MA->bermuda |
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| 01:48.38 | astronut | debiankid: they run in the kernel |
| 01:48.43 | eska | jjazz, I'm using dselect and giving "ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian" as the URL |
| 01:48.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: my dad might still need more crew :) |
| 01:48.52 | astronut | debiankid: you use the "iptables" command to set them, then they run in the kernel... |
| 01:48.53 | odla | abrotman: i took a boat from boston to bermuda took me two days |
| 01:49.06 | abrotman | odla: 50' sloop ? |
| 01:49.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: what type of boat? |
| 01:49.12 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro: check out http://iwavecanada.com |
| 01:49.13 | dvs | eska: I'd pick a mirror |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: 50' sloop |
| 01:49.16 | strider | is debian Sid's XFCE compiled with compositing support? |
| 01:49.17 | odla | abrotman: nope |
| 01:49.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: whose design? |
| 01:49.33 | konfuzed | yourboats can be connected for ever now |
| 01:49.36 | debiankid | astronut heheh i tried adding to /etc/init.d/iptables but nothing hapends when i restart the computer |
| 01:49.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: http://whisperraceboat.com/pages/1/index.htm |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: custom |
| 01:49.47 | eska | jjazz : dvs, I tried some mirrors, none of which work. could you tell me the URL of one you're absolutely positive works fine? |
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| 01:49.50 | astronut | debiankid: you just have a script that loads your iptables settings |
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| 01:49.56 | eska | oops |
| 01:50.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's a "Canning 48" .. but i don't think it's stock |
| 01:50.05 | debiankid | astronut yup |
| 01:50.06 | jjazz | eska: stable, etch or sid? |
| 01:50.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: wow, nice. |
| 01:50.10 | eska | (didn't mean the double-hilite) |
| 01:50.16 | dvs | eska: http://debian.yorku.ca/debian |
| 01:50.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and yes .. the website is broken .. no i didn't do it :) |
| 01:50.26 | eska | jjazz : stable (whatever it means. but that's what I select.) |
| 01:50.26 | gravity | XFCE has a composite manager? |
| 01:50.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, my parents owned a 37' wooden cutter design from osaka |
| 01:50.33 | astronut | debiankid: just run iptabes-save |
| 01:50.42 | astronut | once you set your rules |
| 01:50.47 | debiankid | astronut really? mmmm |
| 01:50.49 | strider | gravity: yes, it's built in. just wanted to try it out as well |
| 01:50.52 | gravity | Nifty |
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| 01:51.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: mostly did racing in the pacific, it's been on transpac before |
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| 01:51.08 | gravity | That's two wm's that have it built in with a third on the way |
| 01:51.09 | debiankid | done |
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| 01:51.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. if you ask very nicely .. and i'm feeling like risking my life .. and you're in boston again .. maybe i'll drive up and you can risk your life too! :) |
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| 01:51.36 | astronut | dondelelcaro: fun |
| 01:51.40 | debiankid | astronut im going to reboot the computer an i ll c if the iptable setting was loaded |
| 01:51.45 | eska | dvs : won't work ; weird thing, he resoves debian.yorku.ca as 1.0.0.0 |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i've been once or twice in 10 years |
| 01:51.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh. I'd love to do it, but I don't know if I can dedicate that much time to it; I think I'm going to try to get on a transpac boat next year |
| 01:51.57 | astronut | gravity: have what built in? |
| 01:51.57 | dvs | eska: ha! That's original! |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i meant a weekend :) |
| 01:52.07 | gravity | astronut: A composite manager |
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| 01:52.11 | jjazz | eska: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 01:52.22 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah; yeah, but getting back from bermuda would be a pain |
| 01:52.24 | aris_ | hi how can i configure postfix as backup MX server?> |
| 01:52.27 | astronut | gravity: ah |
| 01:52.29 | dvs | jjazz: That's a mirror? |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it is hard ... |
| 01:52.33 | dondelelcaro | (and who wants to spend only a weekend in bermuda? ;-)) |
| 01:52.48 | jjazz | eska: That's an apt-sources line. Try without the stable ... non-free |
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| 01:53.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they even let me drive sometimes :) |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh . they spend like 5 days in bermuda .. then 4 days sailing back or so |
| 01:53.30 | eska | jjazz : dselect only asks me for the URL at first, and then prompts for "stable", "non-free" and whatever ; I just use the default values |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i know .. i bet you're wondering where the umbrella hat is :) |
| 01:53.38 | astronut | aris_: #postfix might be better to ask |
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| 01:54.15 | jjazz | eska: so put in the url and give it the rest later. |
| 01:54.19 | Amarande | what directory should I put ppd files in for CUPS to find them? |
| 01:54.48 | jjazz | Amarande: /etc/cups/ppd |
| 01:55.09 | aris_ | astronut, no one is answering there |
| 01:55.10 | eska | jjazz : that URL is the default URL for dselect, by the way ; it resolves as 1.0.0.0 as well, for some reason, while a server closer to me (ftp.belnet.be/debian) does resolve correctly (but does not respond) |
| 01:55.12 | aris_ | so i ask here |
| 01:55.20 | aris_ | someone might help me |
| 01:55.27 | astronut | aris_: i don't know off the top of my head, but click the documentation section on their website |
| 01:55.32 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 01:55.39 | astronut | i'd assume just define a transport_map to pass it to your primary |
| 01:56.12 | jjazz | eska: This is weird. If you do nslookup http.us.debian.org, what do you get? |
| 01:56.12 | dvs | Doh! |
| 01:56.25 | astronut | jjazz: it's a round-robin |
| 01:56.28 | raden | anyone know what all has to be running to rlogin to a windows box ? |
| 01:56.31 | jjazz | astronut: ? |
| 01:56.42 | astronut | jjazz: it points to various servers |
| 01:56.48 | astronut | and gives different results each time it's resolved |
| 01:56.52 | astronut | so that it sprads the load |
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| 01:57.04 | Aidamina | hi lads |
| 01:57.04 | Amarande | eska: try putting 64.50.238.52 in there and see if you can at least get packages |
| 01:57.15 | jjazz | astronut: yes, that's ok. He keeps getting nonsensical responses, though. |
| 01:57.17 | eska | jjazz : gah, I don't have nslookup :-/ |
| 01:57.28 | astronut | eska: dig? host? |
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| 01:57.31 | jjazz | eska: can you ping that url? |
| 01:57.35 | debiankid | astronut restarted my computer and the ports are still open\ |
| 01:57.36 | debiankid | astronut restarted my computer and the ports are still opened |
| 01:57.36 | debiankid | i have to run the script again by hand |
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| 01:57.57 | astronut | debiankid: then just toss the script in /etc/init.d and symlink it from /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:58.09 | eska | jjazz : PING also resolves it as 1.0.0.0 |
| 01:58.23 | astronut | wtf? |
| 01:58.26 | astronut | your DNS is fucked |
| 01:58.33 | jjazz | eska: So you can ping google, but not debian.org? Your dns is giving you bad info. |
| 01:58.35 | Amarande | eska: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 01:58.42 | debiankid | ok there i go |
| 01:58.45 | eska | Amarande, the IP you gave me works |
| 01:58.50 | eska | it's getting packages |
| 01:58.52 | jjazz | eska: grep -i debian /etc/hosts |
| 01:58.55 | eska | but still... wtf? |
| 01:59.10 | Aidamina | Problem: My gui doesnt show up on boot (Debian / knoppix HD install) |
| 01:59.10 | astronut | that'd be a cool IP |
| 01:59.12 | Amarande | eska: your ISP may be in cahoots with a marketing corporation |
| 01:59.16 | eska | jjazz : no result |
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| 01:59.19 | asg | Amarande: /msg dpkg dm |
| 01:59.22 | asg | eep |
| 01:59.27 | asg | Aidamina: /msg dpkg dm |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | i've seen 4.x.x.x |
| 01:59.48 | King_Brad | how do i check which rls i am running ( ex, sarge, etch etc) |
| 01:59.49 | King_Brad | ? |
| 01:59.51 | Amarande | eska: I remember once almost all unresolvable domains came up as some marketing site |
| 01:59.58 | asg | King_Brad: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:59.59 | eska | Amarande, I'm using Belgium's leading ISP, if their DNS servers didn't resolve debian's mirrors I assume it would be in the papers :-/ |
| 01:59.59 | jjazz | eska: OK, get all the packages you need from the stable mirror, then try a new dns and see if that resolves the issue. |
| 02:00.01 | Amarande | like the ISP had included it as a default or sthg |
| 02:00.11 | King_Brad | 3.1 ? |
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| 02:00.15 | asg | King_Brad: sarge |
| 02:00.18 | jjazz | Amarande: That was a Network Solutions thing. |
| 02:00.19 | King_Brad | k |
| 02:00.20 | King_Brad | thx |
| 02:00.36 | JMTeal | what is dbootstrap_settings and do i need it? |
| 02:00.52 | Amarande | jjazz: well, the odd thing is that when I changed my DNS servers it stopped trying to sell me stuff |
| 02:01.10 | eska | jjazz : "try a new DNS"? how do I do that? as far as I know, my router takes care of all the DNS stuff, I set it up once when installing the internet at home |
| 02:01.21 | jeeves_ | all: any one experianced with aircrack? |
| 02:01.37 | Amarande | anyway, my Phaser 740 supports input via FTP, AppSocket, and LPR interfaces |
| 02:01.38 | jjazz | eska: Your name server is specified in /etc/resolv.conf. You can change the setting. |
| 02:01.46 | Amarande | which of those should I be using with cups? |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | eska: nslookup www.debian.org 207.69.188.196 |
| 02:02.20 | asg | abrotman: nslookup is deprecated, use dig :p |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | asg: no crap ! |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | !troutsmite asg |
| 02:02.30 | JMTeal | abrotman is that a line for resolv.conf? |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | JMTeal: no .. it's a test |
| 02:02.42 | Amarande | asg: I still remember when I had to actually use dig to get a dalnet server that worked :P |
| 02:02.42 | asg | abrotman: nah, we had pasta tonight |
| 02:02.45 | JMTeal | ? |
| 02:02.49 | eska | jjazz : my nameserver is set as 192.168.1.1, which is my router. you mean I should replace that with the actual IPs of the DNS's? |
| 02:03.02 | eska | abrotman, I don't have nslookup :-( |
| 02:03.14 | abrotman | use host |
| 02:03.17 | Amarande | eska: yes, you should replace it with the IPs of the DNS's |
| 02:03.34 | Amarande | the router may provide you with those IPs via DHCP depending on the configuration |
| 02:03.39 | Amarande | but the router SHOULD NOT be specified as your DNS server |
| 02:03.45 | abrotman | asg: can you make amatriciana and let me know how it is ? |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | Amarande: that's fine .. |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | it may even be preferred |
| 02:04.12 | asg | abrotman: I can't, but mrs. asg may be able to. I'll confer and get back to you. |
| 02:04.16 | Amarande | unless you're running some sort of configuration where your router is a linux box or similar and actually has BIND installed, chances are your router isn't going to be able to do DNS on its own |
| 02:04.28 | astronut | !petition |
| 02:04.28 | dpkg | Ask me about: linux games petition, ... |
| 02:04.30 | abrotman | asg: bacon and stewed/cut tomatoes mostly |
| 02:04.45 | asg | abrotman: oh, that's easy then. |
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| 02:04.54 | abrotman | asg: and sounds so yummy |
| 02:04.55 | astronut | !petition is There is a petition to make abrotman go to debconf here: http://www.petitiononline.com/abrotman/petition.html |
| 02:04.55 | dpkg | ...but petition is already something else... |
| 02:04.58 | Aidamina | So how can i turn my kde back on then? |
| 02:04.58 | jjazz | eska: Are you on a lan with other computers? |
| 02:05.01 | asg | abrotman: indeed. |
| 02:05.02 | astronut | !petition is now There is a petition to make abrotman go to debconf here: http://www.petitiononline.com/abrotman/petition.html |
| 02:05.02 | dpkg | ...but petition is already something else... |
| 02:05.05 | astronut | grr |
| 02:05.11 | astronut | what's syntax to overwrite? |
| 02:05.16 | asg | astronut: /topic #debian-offtopic |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | asg: first hit on google .. dunno about accuracy http://pasta.allrecipes.com/az/Amatriciana.asp |
| 02:05.23 | debiankid | astronut done |
| 02:05.37 | Amarande | anyway, I'm assuming I should turn on LPR protocol to use my printer with cups? |
| 02:05.58 | astronut | asg: ya. but 33 vs 783 |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | Amarande: funny .. my little dlink crap thing does |
| 02:06.00 | eska | okay Amarande, I'll try that ; do I need to reboot after changing the resolv.conf? |
| 02:06.15 | asg | abrotman: that's pretty similar to what we had tonight. The ingredients are a standard build. We just replaced the bacon with lemon chicken tortellini. |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | asg: it has to be better than my dinner :) |
| 02:06.29 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 02:06.29 | abrotman | asg: that's not at all similar :) |
| 02:06.30 | eleftherios | has anyone used a 802.11b usb adapter? |
| 02:06.33 | asg | astronut: true but we are the ones that really want him to go ;) |
| 02:06.42 | Amarande | I have a Linksys, and I'm pretty sure it hasn't got a built-in DNS server |
| 02:06.43 | jjazz | my dinner is cooking now. |
| 02:06.48 | astronut | asg: what's /topic #debconf |
| 02:06.49 | Amarande | eska: no |
| 02:06.50 | asg | astronut: it's a meaty thing vs. a meaty thing |
| 02:06.54 | Amarande | on Linux, you almost never need to reboot |
| 02:06.55 | eska | jjazz, I'm pinging a few random servers, like hotmail.com and whatever, and I'm getting like 60% packet loss, could that explain anything? |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | asg: nice misfire |
| 02:07.01 | eska | oops, I'm lagginf like crazy |
| 02:07.04 | jeeves_ | eleftherios: I'm trying to get the same answer answered. |
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| 02:07.10 | eska | yes, jjazz, I'm on a LAN |
| 02:07.11 | Amarande | the only times you should normally have to reboot under linux are if you need to use a different kernel or if you did something wrong |
| 02:07.13 | dvs | Amarande: But it will forward it to the right DNS |
| 02:07.27 | dvs | Amarande: just like mine |
| 02:07.33 | jjazz | Amarande: It probably does have one. It has a dhcp server and forwards requests that aren't for the local network. |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | asg: did you ask mrs asg ? |
| 02:07.37 | asg | astronut: previous Debconf5 stuff. |
| 02:07.42 | jjazz | eska: Are there other computers on that LAN? |
| 02:07.44 | Amarande | dvs: yes, it will send down the DNS servers to hosts that DHCP from it, if it knows them. |
| 02:07.45 | astronut | asg: heh |
| 02:07.47 | asg | abrotman: no, she's sleeping. Long day. |
| 02:07.55 | abrotman | drat! |
| 02:07.58 | Amarande | eska: check your router's administration interface, does IT know your DNS servers? |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | whoops .. my cursewords just increased! |
| 02:08.12 | Amarande | if it doesn't know what the DNS servers are, chances are it's probably sending you bogus ones when you DHCP |
| 02:08.13 | Azar | :) |
| 02:08.14 | asg | !kingsleysmite abrotman |
| 02:08.14 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer abrotman: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.340880664569465! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 02:08.20 | eska | jjazz : there's this windows laptop I'm currently typing on, and there's the linux machine I'm trying to deal with. that's all for the moment. |
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| 02:08.25 | eleftherios | jeeves_, does it even work with Debian? |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | holy crap .. nice graph |
| 02:08.32 | markybob | i was under the impression that separating the statements with a semicolon made it print on the same line. so why does this print each one in its own line? awk '{print $2} ; {print $3}' |
| 02:08.33 | abrotman | he's using ubuntu |
| 02:08.45 | asg | abrotman: who is? |
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| 02:08.49 | abrotman | markybob: $2 contains a \n ? |
| 02:08.50 | nmorse | Anyone have any clue why all of a sudden Xorg would decide that it doesn't want to do more than one key event per press. |
| 02:08.54 | eska | Amarande, I assume my router knows all the DNS servers, since I can navigate the internet no problem with *this* here PC |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | asg: jeeves_ |
| 02:09.00 | nmorse | I can't hold backspace down to delete more than one letter. |
| 02:09.03 | Azar | markybob / newline? |
| 02:09.06 | astronut | !petition |
| 02:09.06 | dpkg | somebody said petition was There is a petition to make abrotman go to debconf here: http://www.petitiononline.com/abrotman/petition.html |
| 02:09.08 | debiankid | astronut why when i type restart iptables does not know this eth interface ?? etho:1 |
| 02:09.09 | Amarande | eska: but which DNS servers are in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 02:09.11 | asg | nmorse: man kbdrate |
| 02:09.20 | jjazz | eska: Do you need interconnectivity between these two computers? Because if you bypass the router's dns, it will be harder for you to connect the two boxes. |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | asg: my productivity owuld really rise if i stopped quitting/joining |
| 02:09.28 | Amarande | eska: by the way, if you install BIND on the linux box you can probably avoid all this trouble, but I'm not sure that's the best thing to do |
| 02:09.34 | Amarande | BIND has never been the most secure of programs, particularly |
| 02:09.35 | jeeves_ | eleftherios. I have no idea. I normaly use my laptop (but its in the shop right now) for WiFi stuff with a seprate PCMCIA card for WiFi attacking. |
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| 02:09.40 | abrotman | do i want to watch the idiot box ? |
| 02:09.46 | astronut | abrotman: nope |
| 02:09.53 | Amarande | abrotman: no, especially since it really is the idiot box tonight |
| 02:09.55 | asg | abrotman: no, the shrub is on all channels |
| 02:09.56 | astronut | abrotman: why waste time observing hypocrisy in action |
| 02:09.59 | jeeves_ | abrotman: have you come up with a soulition for this USB WiFi card issue? I've been ripping my hair out over it. |
| 02:10.14 | eska | Amarande, in resolv.conf the namesever is my router, and there are no other lines but a "search" line at the very beginning of the file |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | jeeves_: did you try asking #wifi ? |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | err shit |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | #wireless |
| 02:10.24 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:10.31 | nmorse | kbdrate isn't working. |
| 02:10.31 | astronut | eska: your router runs DNS/ |
| 02:10.37 | nmorse | I reset it and it doesn't work. |
| 02:10.39 | jeeves_ | abrotman: no, I'd hate to leave you guys. your like family to me. <sniffles> LOL |
| 02:10.43 | fusibou | after a recent upgrade to my debian unstable, no usb storage devices work (2 usb keys, external usb hard drive) downgrading the kernel to 2.6.14, or udev or libusb all make no difference. i don't even know what to file a bug against |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | you're |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | jeeves_: but they might actually know about it |
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| 02:10.59 | asg | !fluffle Phated |
| 02:11.04 | eska | jjazz, yes I do need interconnectivity ; does that matter ? |
| 02:11.19 | asg | hmmm |
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| 02:11.32 | jeeves_ | abrotman: I just might take a strol over there. |
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| 02:11.38 | jjazz | eska: Do you plan on connecting the boxes by name or by ip address? |
| 02:11.47 | eska | Amarande : there are probably a thousand and one ways to bypass this problem, but I'd rather find out what it is ans solve it :-/ |
| 02:11.49 | markybob | abrotman: this is what the entire thing looks like. for x in `awk '{print $2} ; {print $3}' foo`; do echo $x; done and here's foo http://pastebin.com/533172 |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | jeeves_: i'm not really trying to force you out .. just that most people know better than to buy usb networking devices |
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| 02:12.06 | jeeves_ | abrotman: <looks @ the mess of cables on my floor and blinking lights> I wonder if this is dangerous. |
| 02:12.06 | fusibou | when i connect the usb hard drive, dmesg shows the system trying every file system known to man and failing |
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| 02:12.22 | markybob | abrotman: i want it to print out the month and day on the same line. currently it makes a new line for the month and then a new line for the day |
| 02:12.24 | dvs | abrotman: amen |
| 02:12.28 | eska | jjazz : um, I'll need to use the linux machine with ssh, as it will eventually be running with no monitor or keyboard |
| 02:12.40 | jeeves_ | abrotman: its ok. I'm just playing around. |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | markybob: cat foo | awk '{print $2 $3}' ? |
| 02:13.30 | asg | abrotman: does that qualify for a uuoc award? |
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| 02:13.41 | jjazz | eska: OK. Well, you can do that with ip addresses. And come to think of it, Linksys routers don't give you any option except that anyway. |
| 02:13.45 | markybob | abrotman: that works. is there a way to put a space between the month and day? |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | asg: well .. it could |
| 02:14.00 | asg | markybob: awk '{print $2" "$3}' |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | markybob: it doesn't now ? |
| 02:14.03 | jjazz | eska: Get your dns server info from your router's web-admin interface. |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | whoops . i forgot the " " :) |
| 02:14.16 | asg | !uuoc abrotman |
| 02:14.19 | abrotman | who let me stay up this late! |
| 02:14.22 | markybob | abrotman: no. i get them like this "Jan30" |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | that should be useless use of cat |
| 02:14.29 | asg | abrotman: it isn't late, even for you. |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | markybob: asg got it |
| 02:14.34 | abrotman | i know |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | asg: there's a texas drone coming from the tv |
| 02:14.49 | markybob | asg: i see. thank you |
| 02:14.54 | markybob | abrotman: thanks to you as well |
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| 02:15.06 | abrotman | asg: does it really get uuoc ? |
| 02:15.11 | asg | abrotman: yes, I'm going to hunt for a 'Girls Gone Wild' infomercial |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | i guess it does |
| 02:15.27 | jjazz | eska: apt-get install elinks, if you lack a browser. Start it with 'links 192.168.1.1'. Username is admin, password is blank. |
| 02:15.31 | asg | abrotman: it really depends on 'foo' |
| 02:15.44 | Epilog | hi there |
| 02:15.47 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 02:15.52 | Epilog | anyone here uses getext ? |
| 02:16.11 | Epilog | having a problem with it not translating strings with accents |
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| 02:16.27 | astronut | Epilog: glibc? |
| 02:16.54 | Epilog | astronut: its very strange |
| 02:16.58 | Epilog | astronut: php |
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| 02:17.07 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 02:17.07 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 02:17.08 | Epilog | but the principle should be the same |
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| 02:17.25 | abrotman | i haven't eaten a banana .. in years |
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| 02:17.38 | kurumin | hallo |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | jeeves_: no luck ? |
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| 02:18.30 | jeeves_ | abrotman: Its like talking to your self there. I made a BUNCH of noise, no one answred. |
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| 02:18.40 | aidan` | if I'm running a production box, but I want nifty things like php5, can I run debian-stable and use debain-testing packages? |
| 02:18.41 | eska | jjazz, my router's got a graphical GUI, but I can't seem to find "DNS" anywhere ; I'm getting my ISP's DNS server's addresses on their website |
| 02:18.50 | jjazz | eska: That's fine. |
| 02:18.52 | asg | aidan`: better to use backports |
| 02:18.55 | asg | aidan`: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | jeeves_: hey .. some people sleep .. be patient |
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| 02:19.14 | abrotman | eska: what kind ? |
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| 02:19.25 | GoCooL | I'm having the weirdest problems getting the nfs-user-server on debian working |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | asg: should be at backports.org now |
| 02:19.40 | jeeves_ | abrotman: well I think I'll have better luck in here. |
| 02:19.48 | urelement | where can I find the background desktop picture, in /usr/share/...? |
| 02:19.53 | asg | abrotman: cool |
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| 02:20.09 | abrotman | jeeves_: you might even have better luck in ##linux .. |
| 02:20.09 | aidan` | asg: how unstable is testing? is it totally unthinkable for a stable machine? |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | really .. usb networking sucks |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | !usb networking |
| 02:20.18 | dpkg | hmm... usb networking is something that needs to be addressed |
| 02:20.22 | GoCooL | basically my /etc/exports file has the following entry: |
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| 02:20.45 | jeeves_ | abrotman: I think I'm going to try that next. |
| 02:20.46 | jjazz | What is usb networking? |
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| 02:21.01 | abrotman | jjazz: a network device that plugs into a usb port .. basically .. crap :) |
| 02:21.01 | GoCooL | saknsfsj dslkjdf{[msm;lms, and when i restart the nfs-user-server, it surprisingly doesn't complain |
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| 02:21.15 | asg | aidan`: I can't say, I've never run testing. Only stable for production (plus the odd backport) and unstable (for personal use and helping the project) |
| 02:21.21 | jjazz | Why is it crap? |
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| 02:21.30 | abrotman | aidan`: i run it on my laptop |
| 02:21.34 | abrotman | jjazz: think winmodem |
| 02:21.46 | aidan` | asg: okay, cool |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | they were pretty poorly supported .. not sure anymore |
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| 02:22.03 | JRWR | Ive got a ITE 8212 ATA RAID and i whant to netinstall onto a HD on this card but so far after many trys it does not detect the hardrive! i whanted to ask how in the world do i install onto this card are there any kind of hidden tricks or something |
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| 02:22.15 | eska | abrotman : what kind of what? |
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| 02:22.28 | GoCooL | anyone have any idea as to what the issue with the above mentioned nfs server setup is? |
| 02:22.31 | aidan` | If I want to install some things which don't have releases, like 0.9x from apache-fop, is it easy enough to role my own packages? |
| 02:22.36 | Amarande | aidan: etch works pretty well |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | eska: router |
| 02:22.50 | Amarande | so far the only application I've had be broken is the GNOME CD player |
| 02:22.58 | jjazz | abrotman: Ok, you've convinced me. |
| 02:23.04 | Amarande | which only works, for some odd reason, when there's no disc. :) |
| 02:23.09 | abrotman | jjazz: let me look around a bit |
| 02:23.21 | jjazz | abrotman: don't do it on my account. I was just curious. |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | jjazz: it seems to have gotten better |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | quite a bit better |
| 02:24.11 | eska | okay jjazz, I got a primary and a secondary DNS server IP ; do I add both lines starting with "nameserver" in the resolv.com file, or am I supposed to distinquish them? |
| 02:24.26 | aidan` | ah, the security team only provides patches for stable, I'll stick with that then. Being able to role my own packages is important though, can it still be done? |
| 02:24.28 | eska | abrotman : it's an "iDream" DSL modem-router |
| 02:24.35 | asg | aidan`: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | !tell aidan` about testing security |
| 02:24.50 | jjazz | eska: Put the primary one first, but it's just 'nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' for each line. |
| 02:25.21 | Amarande | okay |
| 02:25.33 | Amarande | to add an LPD printer under cups, it's asking me for a host name and a queue name |
| 02:25.42 | Amarande | the host name would be the IP of the Ethernet printer that supports LPR, I suppose. |
| 02:25.45 | Amarande | the queue name is what? |
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| 02:26.07 | ballistic | Anyone have apt sources for MythTV? |
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| 02:26.33 | eska | done, jjazz ; is there a command to tell the system to take the updated file into account? |
| 02:26.35 | jeeves_ | abrotman: well that was a waste of my time. |
| 02:26.59 | jjazz | eska: I believe it happens automatically. |
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| 02:27.05 | abrotman | jeeves_: why ? |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | jeeves_: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 02:27.16 | jjazz | eska: Try host http.us.debian.org |
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| 02:27.50 | ViViD | does anyone know if i need different RAM to use with dual channel board? i mean, well regular DDR perform "dual channel"? |
| 02:28.04 | jeeves_ | abrotman: <rolls eyes> I SWEAR once I get my laptop back from Repair, I'm going to LOOSE it on Toshiba |
| 02:28.07 | eska | it works, jjazz, I'll retry dselect now |
| 02:28.10 | JRWR | Any Ideas Debian team |
| 02:28.25 | abrotman | jeeves_: lose ? |
| 02:28.31 | jjazz | eska: Wait. |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | !tell ballistic about myth |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | !tell ballistic about mythtv |
| 02:28.47 | jjazz | eska: No, forget it. Go ahead and try dselect. Might as well. |
| 02:29.13 | eska | jjazz : yay, it works, it's retrieving the package list :-D |
| 02:29.18 | ballistic | abrotman: Thanks, but I don't understand what this means: ``Packages can be found in <marillat>.'' |
| 02:29.38 | jjazz | eska: Those settings won't last, unfortunately. |
| 02:29.46 | eska | how so, jjazz? |
| 02:29.47 | imax | alguien que hable español |
| 02:29.47 | jjazz | abrotman: That's a pretty bad description of mythtv |
| 02:29.53 | Azar | !es |
| 02:29.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | !tell ballistic about marillat |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | jjazz: i didn't make it .. i figure if he's asking for it .. he knows what it is already :) |
| 02:30.08 | Amarande | ahh good, cups DOES support appsocket |
| 02:30.08 | jeeves_ | abrotman: loose. sorry, I'm talking to about 14 people right now (including my fiance), trying to do shell work, etc. |
| 02:30.09 | ballistic | !tell me about tell |
| 02:30.18 | imax | ok gracias |
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| 02:31.00 | jjazz | jeeves_: you're not in NYC, are you? (I know a jeeves in NY) |
| 02:31.02 | abrotman | sorry .. you missed Sony |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | sonny |
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| 02:31.19 | Amarande | mmmm deep fried mozzarella sticks. |
| 02:31.46 | jjazz | eska: You haven't really solved your problem. All you've done is establish that your router stinks. But we already knew that because of the Linksys label on the case. |
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| 02:31.58 | dvs | !lart jjazz |
| 02:32.13 | Azar | JRWR I am not sure don't know RAID stuff but as a newbie Id first check the BIOS settings |
| 02:32.28 | jjazz | dvs: I *was* planning on using those. |
| 02:32.29 | eska | no, jjazz, you must've got me mixed up with someone else, my router is an iDream (which may stink even worse) |
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| 02:32.45 | jeeves_ | jjaz: nope, Ontario. |
| 02:33.11 | jjazz | eska: Ah, I thought it was a Linksys. Never seen an iDream. Either way, it's busted, and we haven't solved your problem except for the moment. |
| 02:33.30 | Amarande | eska: time to take a trip to radio shack |
| 02:33.39 | abrotman | set the dhcp client to not grab the IP of the router as dns |
| 02:33.43 | eska | jjazz : why is it only temporary? what will eventually happen? |
| 02:33.59 | eska | ah, abrotman, I see where this is going |
| 02:33.59 | Amarande | better, set your LAN IP statically |
| 02:34.09 | pawdro | is in debian any programm to see hardware specification: like procesor type, fsb, memory timing, and so on? |
| 02:34.14 | jeeves_ | abrotman: humm, this page isn't much help. its only the outlay of how to get things set up (planning your WiFi network) |
| 02:34.16 | Amarande | I do this so I can properly set up port forwarding for things like identd |
| 02:34.17 | freespace | ../em |
| 02:34.18 | abrotman | eska: you want to get married and have kids ? |
| 02:34.23 | JRWR | Azor, its in IDE mode |
| 02:34.24 | Amarande | What's really odd, thogh |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | jeeves_: uhm .. it has links to drivers |
| 02:34.32 | Amarande | is that my router actually has a specific option to -block- ident |
| 02:34.32 | JRWR | windows sees it rigth away |
| 02:34.37 | jeeves_ | I haven't got that far yet. |
| 02:34.38 | Azar | JRWR so there might be the issue |
| 02:34.53 | JRWR | it saw the card ONCE |
| 02:34.55 | dvs | pawdro: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:35.10 | JRWR | but then my DNS server craped out and the installed failed |
| 02:35.17 | jjazz | eska: one moment, please |
| 02:35.38 | eska | abrotman, well although gay marriage *is* legal in this country, I'd rather not. anyway, back to this DNS/router thing. |
| 02:35.42 | JRWR | then it never saw it agien |
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| 02:35.48 | Azar | JRWR sorry I am just a newbie, just threw a thought, I do not know how to help you with that |
| 02:35.50 | eska | thank you, jjazz |
| 02:36.19 | Azar | hel 0 |
| 02:36.22 | Azar | discuss.. |
| 02:36.24 | GoCooL | anyone with some nfs server experience, i'm having some issues? |
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| 02:36.47 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: Just ask your question |
| 02:37.21 | jjazz | eska: resolv.conf gets set when you bring up your network connection. So the next time you ask for a dhcp lease, it will be overwritten. This means next reboot, or perhaps when your dhcp lease expires (I think). |
| 02:37.23 | GoCooL | i put in some junk entries in my /etc/exports file |
| 02:37.37 | jjazz | eska: So basically, this will work and then it will stop working, which will stink. |
| 02:37.37 | GoCooL | and when i restart the nfs server, it doesn't complain??? |
| 02:37.41 | Amarande | wow, my printer actually has more open ports than any other host on the network |
| 02:37.47 | jjazz | eska: BTW, what country are you in? |
| 02:37.53 | eska | belgium, jjazz |
| 02:38.05 | jjazz | eska: cool. Never been there, but always wanted to. |
| 02:38.17 | jjazz | eska: Are you downloading a bunch of packages now with dselect? |
| 02:38.28 | Azar | hmm why not edit /etc/network/interfaces to act on dhcp ? |
| 02:38.32 | GoCooL | nor can i mount the files |
| 02:38.34 | pawdro | dvs: i meant infos usable during tweaking hardware, and what about informations about memory? |
| 02:38.36 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: showmount -e hostname show the exports |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | beardy: that wasn't directed at you i don't think |
| 02:38.40 | eska | jjazz : so I gotta make a script that writes the DNS IPs back into resolf.conf every time my network asks for a DHCP lease? |
| 02:38.54 | eska | jjazz : heh, it's pretty cool for the beer and chocolates, yeah :-) |
| 02:38.55 | GoCooL | [Cadet], yes it does, but |
| 02:38.57 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: Sure you got portmap running? |
| 02:39.00 | jjazz | eska: No, as Azar says, you can specify this stuff in network interfaces. |
| 02:39.08 | GoCooL | on the client or the server? |
| 02:39.11 | GoCooL | or both? |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | beardy: you would have known if you were not welcome i'm pretty darn sure |
| 02:39.36 | jjazz | eska: What does Belgium have besides beer and chocolate? |
| 02:39.40 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: any machine |
| 02:39.40 | dvs | pawdro: Memory timings? I don't know. |
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| 02:40.15 | GoCooL | ps aux | grep portmap shows /sbin/portmap |
| 02:40.17 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: rpcinfo -p hostname is another command to try |
| 02:40.19 | GoCooL | so yes |
| 02:40.29 | pawdro | there is several programs in windows, i thought that in linux i can have some |
| 02:40.59 | eska | jjazz : uhm... awesome french fries, and a few places to visit. basically you can do the whole country in a week and never go back, because it's pretty boring. I'm not belgian myself, and I'm pretty eager to go back to France as soon as I finish my studies :-) |
| 02:41.04 | abrotman | beardy: IMO .. you're welcome back |
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| 02:41.07 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: Need mountd nfs and probably nlockmgr at the least |
| 02:41.17 | GoCooL | rpcinfo shows portmapper, nfs and mountd running |
| 02:41.37 | eska | Azar, what should I change in /etc/network/interfaces ? I got it open right here, I don't see anything about DHCP |
| 02:41.38 | GoCooL | what is nlockmgr? |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | that's not where you change it |
| 02:41.50 | GoCooL | i don;t think i have that! |
| 02:41.58 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: If the exports are shown from a client with the showmount command there should be no problem mounting |
| 02:42.03 | [Cadet] | them |
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| 02:42.43 | abrotman | there should be a way in /etc/dhclient.conf to stop takign the dhcp server's DNS servers |
| 02:42.51 | GoCooL | wierdest thing is: mount localhost/dir /tmp/dir itself doesn;t work |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | that was way redundant |
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| 02:43.04 | jjazz | eska: heh. My father is from France. I'll schedule a week in Belgium and then never go back. ;) |
| 02:43.13 | GoCooL | it exits with permission denied error |
| 02:43.20 | jjazz | eska: OK, I just looked at man interfaces, and I don't see a way to specify namesrever there. |
| 02:43.28 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: that is not the right syntax to mount an nfs share |
| 02:43.28 | eska | (France is way better anyway ^^) |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | jjazz: try /etc/dhclient.conf ? |
| 02:43.44 | GoCooL | well i do -t nfs too |
| 02:43.44 | eska | oh, okay |
| 02:43.50 | GoCooL | if that is what u mean |
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| 02:44.05 | GoCooL | and i'm sorry, it is a typo |
| 02:44.06 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: mount server:/shared/dirctory /mount_point |
| 02:44.10 | jeeves_ | abrotman: wow, 4 out of 8 people I'm tlaking to on MSN are now into a conversation about "sleeping with me". Talk about a screwed up world. |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | jeeves_: don't tell your fiancee |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | erm .. whichever |
| 02:44.27 | GoCooL | yes, i have the colon |
| 02:44.27 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: It must be the syntax I specified |
| 02:44.41 | eska | abrotman, I'm looking at the /etc/dhclient.conf file, _ALL_ the lines are commented out |
| 02:44.43 | jjazz | abrotman: I've never messed with that. Can you specify nameservers there? |
| 02:45.05 | asg | jeeves_: the question is whether the 4 are all people abrotman knows. |
| 02:45.13 | GoCooL | no luck with the exact same syntax |
| 02:45.34 | GoCooL | pretty sure I'm using thr right syntax, just a typo earlier |
| 02:46.17 | [Cadet] | GoCool: What does a line from /etc/exports look like |
| 02:46.54 | jeeves_ | abrotman: doubt it. I bet you'd like to though. |
| 02:46.56 | GoCooL | i had: /home/blah *(rw, sync) |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | jjazz: dunno .. i think so |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | jeeves_: i have enough people trying to get in my pants .. it's annoying sometimes |
| 02:47.21 | GoCooL | but i changed that to some totally junk entries, like ckdjdkj lndlnszcxds |
| 02:47.44 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: /var/log/messages will give you some good hints about the problem |
| 02:48.05 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: Why would you change it to crap? That'll never work ;) |
| 02:48.14 | GoCooL | and restarted the nfsd using '/etc/init.d/nfs-user-server restart' |
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| 02:48.33 | GoCooL | suprisingly restarts with no complaints whatsoever |
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| 02:49.06 | JMTeal | msg dpkg help |
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| 02:49.08 | JMTeal | shit |
| 02:49.18 | jharrison | I just installed a VX924 using a digital connection and when I boot I cannot see anything except out of range on the screen until I get to Xorg |
| 02:49.22 | jharrison | any ideas? |
| 02:49.35 | jharrison | with the VGA cable it works fine |
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| 02:49.52 | jharrison | but who wants to use the VGA cable when you can use the digital connection |
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| 02:50.15 | Amarande | what's a VX924? video card or monitor? |
| 02:50.18 | beardy | jharrison: Is it really any difference? That you catually see? |
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| 02:50.20 | jharrison | mintor |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | jjazz: prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
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| 02:50.24 | jharrison | monitor |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | jjazz: maybe |
| 02:50.29 | Amarande | and what's the video card? |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | jharrison: hey ... |
| 02:50.36 | jjazz | abrotman: Where does that go? dhclient.conf? |
| 02:50.43 | jharrison | the video card is an ati radeon 9000 |
| 02:50.45 | jharrison | abrotman: hey |
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| 02:50.49 | GoCooL | [Cadet] u were probably right the first time around about the lockmgr |
| 02:50.49 | Amarande | ati |
| 02:50.52 | Amarande | why am i not surprised :/ |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | jjazz: though .. supercede might be better |
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| 02:51.13 | jharrison | Amarande: well soon it will be nvidia |
| 02:51.14 | jeeves_ | abrotman: normaly I don't mind, three of them are 19 y-old girls, and one is a gay guy who has a crush on me. <shudders> |
| 02:51.22 | Gavin | hello,i'm a newcomer |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | jeeves_: get the three girls on the guy |
| 02:51.39 | jharrison | Amarande: and I do think it is video card related only I have no idea what would cause this problem |
| 02:51.46 | Amarande | jeeves, you have a fiancee, why are there girls all over you? |
| 02:51.47 | jjazz | abrotman: supercede looks right |
| 02:51.52 | GoCooL | says something abt the OS "has NFS file locking misconfigured' |
| 02:51.58 | jharrison | and I just installed 2 of the exact monitors for my parents who both have ati cards and it works fine for them |
| 02:52.01 | Amarande | jharrison: possibly just general ATI bogosity |
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| 02:52.13 | jharrison | I wonder if it could be a bios setting |
| 02:52.20 | beardy | jharrison: framebuffer? |
| 02:52.22 | Amarande | I have a perfectly good X1600 sitting in an antistatic bag on a shelf because there's no support for it in linux |
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| 02:52.32 | jharrison | beardy: yeah could be framebuffer |
| 02:52.39 | jharrison | beardy: but I dont see post or anything |
| 02:52.39 | jeeves_ | abrotman: as I said, hes gay, so I don't think he wants the chick |
| 02:52.50 | jharrison | beardy: usually with a framebuffer problem I see at least the post |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | so ? |
| 02:52.59 | beardy | jharrison: Ah, yeah.. |
| 02:53.04 | jjazz | eska: Well, let's try it this way. Put a line 'supersede domain-name-server 127.0.0.100' in /etc/dhclient.conf. Then bring your network connex down and up. Check resolv.conf. |
| 02:53.19 | Amarande | I would have run Windows, but 1) I'm coming to like Linux quite a lot, and 2) apparently on Windows one of my drivers is so flaky the system locks hard all the time |
| 02:53.21 | GoCooL | [Cadet]: "OS has NFS file locking misconfigured' |
| 02:53.27 | jjazz | eska: If it has 127.0.0.100, change 127.0.0.100 to the value you really need. |
| 02:53.35 | beardy | jharrison: A check in the bios may be good, but it depends on something in there.. |
| 02:53.40 | jjazz | eska: And then add another line for the secondary dns |
| 02:53.45 | Amarande | actually, doesn't 127.0.0.100 work identically to 127.0.0.1, anyway? |
| 02:53.55 | jharrison | beardy: ok I am going to go look around in my bios |
| 02:53.57 | jharrison | ill be back |
| 02:53.57 | beardy | jharrison: "but I doubt it is something in there" I meant to say |
| 02:53.59 | jjazz | Amarande: It's just a dummy value to see if it changes. |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | jjazz: i thikn you can do one with a number of values |
| 02:54.04 | jharrison | beardy: yes I doubt it too |
| 02:54.08 | jharrison | beardy: but I have no other ideas |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | jjazz: option domain-name-servers ip-address [, ip-address... ]; |
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| 02:55.05 | beardy | jharrison: And the monitor doesn't have any "autoset" button or similar? To change refreshrates on the fly or so?.. |
| 02:55.39 | eska | jjazz, how do I reset the network connexion? |
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| 02:56.03 | IdahoEv | Does anyone know of a utility that can compare the configuration of two Debian servers to see if they are identical? I was about to write one myself, but maybe one already exists. I want to compare: packages/versions installed including PEAR and CPAN libraries, /etc/conf files for all installed packages, list of users/groups, crontabs, and contents of some directories. |
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| 02:56.10 | jjazz | abrotman: I'm unclear on it. We'll do it one bit at a time. ;) |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:56.18 | jjazz | eska: ifdown eth0 |
| 02:56.21 | jeeves_ | abrotman: ok, I'm out of here. I've got an apartment to clean. |
| 02:56.28 | jjazz | eska: Then bring it up however you brought it up before. |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | good plan! |
| 02:56.37 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: Well your export line looked ok and as long as you didn't force installation of the nfs server .deb there should be no problems. Put the export back, stop nfs-kernel-server, restart portmap, nfs-common, then start the server |
| 02:56.46 | eska | "interface eth0 not configured" ?! o_O |
| 02:56.54 | jjazz | eska: ifconfig |
| 02:56.54 | eska | hey, what the hell. |
| 02:57.05 | beardy | IdahoEv: I don't know of such a thing. You probably have to write a script yourself. |
| 02:57.28 | GoCooL | u mean 'nfs-user-server', i'm not running 'nfs-kernel-server' |
| 02:57.34 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: Actually is it a piece of cake |
| 02:57.37 | eska | jjazz : the resolv.conf still has my router as nameserver |
| 02:57.41 | IdahoEv | beardy: that's what I figures, but I thought I'd check in case. ¡gracias! |
| 02:57.45 | [Cadet] | Oh, dunno, I've always used kernel server |
| 02:57.48 | jjazz | eska: what does ifconfig tell you? |
| 02:57.51 | IdahoEv | *figured |
| 02:58.36 | GoCooL | i guess i'll try restarting the above services and if it doesn;t work, maybe install the nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:58.37 | eska | jjazz, ifconfig tells me my local IP address, hardware address, and plenty of technical stuff I don't get. what's it supposed to show? |
| 02:58.44 | beardy | IdahoEv: Perhaps someone else knows about one, but I doubt it.. Have you installed them manually, separately? |
| 02:58.54 | jjazz | eska: It should tell you which interface is up. |
| 02:59.10 | eska | oh. it tells me eth0 and lo are up, apparently. |
| 02:59.17 | GoCooL | [Cadet]: but i need to 'apt-get remove nfs-user-server' before installing the kernel-server, right? |
| 02:59.25 | beardy | IdahoEv: There are some things you can use to install identical systems onto several boxes. |
| 02:59.25 | jjazz | eska: And yet ifdown eth0 doesn't bring the connection down? |
| 02:59.41 | jjazz | eska: lo = localhost, you can ignore that. |
| 02:59.41 | _keroppi_ | How can I set my machine's fully qualified domain name? friendlygeek.com actually reaches my machine through a consumer router with port forwarding. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 03:00.03 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: No, you need one or the other |
| 03:00.09 | IdahoEv | beardy: yes. I have a LAMP server and a backup mirror set for a client (using MySQL replication). We're still adding features, so I'm occasionally adding new stuff to the main server. I want to make sure I haven't forgotten to add stuff to the backup/mirror. |
| 03:00.10 | jjazz | eska: Can you ping out from that box? |
| 03:00.10 | eska | jjazz : yes. but maybe I misread ifconfig's output... there are like 8 lines with info about eth0, does that mean it's up? |
| 03:00.15 | Amarande | weird, if I'm in line-edit mode in vi and hit End, it puts an F in instead |
| 03:00.28 | eska | yes I can ping, jjazz |
| 03:00.49 | jjazz | eska: Then it's up. try ifdown eth0 again? |
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| 03:00.57 | GoCooL | [Cadet]: so either of them should work? |
| 03:01.05 | Amarande | if you really want identical machines on separate boxes though |
| 03:01.15 | Amarande | why not just set the rest of them as thin clients off of one server? |
| 03:01.16 | eska | jjazz : "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" |
| 03:01.17 | jjazz | Amarande: hit escape, and end should work. |
| 03:01.18 | [Cadet] | GoCooL: I guess, like I said I have always used the kernel server |
| 03:01.29 | jjazz | eska: How did you bring the interface up earlier/ |
| 03:01.39 | IdahoEv | beardy: install utilities won't help me; the server is live, but the client keeps adding new features that often require some server config changes, like last week I installed hylafax, and today I had to change a bunch of settings in exim4 |
| 03:01.54 | eska | no idea, jjazz, I guess the system did it upon booting up |
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| 03:02.17 | maher | how do i refresh the folder list in thunderbird? |
| 03:02.19 | eska | jjazz : ow that I think about it, my neywork card is integrated to the motherboard ; might this change anything? |
| 03:02.23 | beardy | IdahoEv: Ok, a script you write yourself is probably best then, since you yourself knows best which things needs to be checked. |
| 03:02.28 | eska | network* |
| 03:02.31 | jjazz | eska: ps ax | grep dhclient. Any output? |
| 03:02.42 | IdahoEv | Amarande: the backup server is not used normally. It is only to be on standby in case of a hardware failure on machine #1. So, it really does need to be identical. |
| 03:02.51 | IdahoEv | beardy: yep. OK. thanks much. |
| 03:03.05 | eska | yup jjazz, 3 results including the grep. so two. |
| 03:03.32 | jjazz | eska: killall dhclient |
| 03:03.52 | jjazz | eska: See if that ends your ability to ping. It should. |
| 03:04.18 | eska | nope, jjazz, I'm still pinging www.google.com |
| 03:04.31 | jjazz | eska: Did it kill those processes? |
| 03:04.43 | eska | yes, your previous command now returns no results |
| 03:04.59 | jjazz | eska: And you can still ping other boxes? I'm confused now. |
| 03:05.39 | eska | typing "ps" shows two processes, jjazz : bash and, well, ps. |
| 03:05.50 | jjazz | eska: ps ax will show more |
| 03:06.04 | Phated | ps aux is nice too. |
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| 03:06.30 | felipe_br | maher right click account's name and refresh? |
| 03:06.48 | eska | jjazz : uh, I'm logged in as another user on the second screen, could this be causing trouble? |
| 03:07.18 | felipe_br | maher: just tell it to get new messages, folder list shoudl be updated as well |
| 03:07.20 | jjazz | eska: It shouldn't. Kill all the dhclient processes and you should be fine. |
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| 03:07.47 | joip | on awk, what is the way to join this fields? |
| 03:07.50 | joip | hi |
| 03:07.54 | joip | servicedesk Service Desk 30 0 0% |
| 03:07.57 | joip | i want |
| 03:07.58 | eska | jjazz : I retyped the killall command and it told me "no processes killed now". yet I can still ping google. |
| 03:08.01 | joip | servicedesk Service Desk 30 0 0% |
| 03:08.03 | joip | any idea? |
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| 03:08.22 | jjazz | eska: My gf just got home... I gotta go. Maybe somebody else can help you. If not, I'll be around tomorrow during the day, NY time. |
| 03:08.25 | joip | I don't want largeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee speaces " |
| 03:08.28 | maher | felipe_br: thanks - it turned out i needed to subscribe to the new folders... |
| 03:08.35 | beardy | jjazz: That would only make it impossible to refresh the lease time, and eventually make his connection drop. |
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| 03:08.39 | eska | sure jjazz, I appreciate your help |
| 03:08.41 | asg | joip: '{print $1"\t"$2 ... }' |
| 03:08.52 | beardy | jjazz: Not right away, AFAIK. |
| 03:08.55 | felipe_br | maher ok |
| 03:09.05 | beardy | eska: What are you trying to do? |
| 03:09.19 | jjazz | eska: Sorry I couldn't do more for you. I think we've reached the end of my knowledge on this anyway. |
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| 03:09.38 | eska | jjazz, it's cool, you were very helpful, thanks :-) |
| 03:09.54 | eska | beardy, I just installed debian and it's doing some weird stuff with DNS's |
| 03:10.16 | felipe_br | eska what does your resolv.conf tell you? |
| 03:10.30 | beardy | eska: Like what? What is this weird stuff it does, or the effects of it? |
| 03:10.44 | felipe_br | eska : sorry, follow beardy |
| 03:11.32 | eska | beardy, I'm using dselect to get packages, and it seems to resolve ftp.debian.org as 1.0.0.0 for some reason. |
| 03:11.48 | Amarande | ftp.debian.org resolves to that, too? |
| 03:12.09 | beardy | eska: Are you extremely fond of dselect? Try aptitude instead, if you are not. |
| 03:12.11 | eska | almost everything does, Amarande |
| 03:12.37 | felipe_br | check resolv.conf, see nameserver, use dig to test it |
| 03:12.57 | eska | beardy, I'm pretty knew to this linux thing, I was using dselect because I didn't know there was an alternative. trying aptidue right now. |
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| 03:13.02 | eska | new* |
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| 03:13.19 | felipe_br | check also if you have anything like "search" or "domain" in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:13.19 | joip | asg using this, I have the same size print $1"\t"$2"\t"$3"\t"$4"\t"$5 |
| 03:13.20 | raden | is it possible to use rlogin to login to windows terminal services ? ? ? |
| 03:13.21 | jharrison | howdy |
| 03:13.26 | jharrison | doesnt seem to be a bios issue |
| 03:13.37 | asg | joip: try $1" "$2" " ... |
| 03:13.38 | JMTeal | msg dpkg man umask |
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| 03:13.45 | eska | felipe_br : yes, there is "search" in the resolv.conf |
| 03:14.12 | abrotman | jharrison: hi |
| 03:14.16 | jharrison | abrotman: hi |
| 03:14.22 | jharrison | abrotman: how are you |
| 03:14.23 | JMTeal | can anyone help me with umask? |
| 03:14.26 | eska | beardy : aptidute doesn't seem to let me choose where I want to download packages from |
| 03:14.26 | joip | asg: print $1" "$2" "$3" "$4" "$5 same |
| 03:14.30 | abrotman | jharrison: i've been abducted! |
| 03:14.35 | jharrison | abrotman: by who? |
| 03:14.40 | felipe_br | eska: well anyway, it should not interfere when you specify a full domain |
| 03:14.42 | abrotman | jharrison: bahamaians! |
| 03:14.46 | jharrison | abrotman: ah |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:14.52 | jharrison | abrotman: who hasn't? |
| 03:15.02 | abrotman | bob |
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| 03:15.10 | zebalin4 | Does anyone know for CERTAIN if I will get KDE when I install 'testing' via the net-install and choose 'desktop'? Or do I just get gnome? |
| 03:15.16 | gravity | bob2 :-( |
| 03:15.16 | jharrison | abrotman: well thank you |
| 03:15.21 | felipe_br | eska, aptitude will use /etc/apt/sources.list which you can edit with your favorite text editor |
| 03:15.23 | jharrison | abrotman: now I know whose next |
| 03:15.25 | asg | joip: odd. awk is usually very good about picking out the whitespace. Try using tr(1) to preprocess the string maybe. |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | zebalin4: apt-get x-window-system kde kdm |
| 03:15.28 | jharrison | abrotman: muah ha ha hah ahah |
| 03:15.34 | Amarande | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 03:15.35 | Amarande | err |
| 03:15.36 | abrotman | gravity: did we find him yet? |
| 03:15.36 | Amarande | oops |
| 03:15.41 | beardy | eska: Just a side note.. there is also apt-get, both aptitude and apt-get can be used like this, on the command line, 'apt-get install sompackage' and 'aptitude install somepackage'. Aptitude can also be used interactively, and show you a list of packages, and package descriptions right away. Solve this problem you're having now first, later you can "/msg dpkg grounding" (in your irc client) for some starting points. The Debian Reference is good to sta |
| 03:15.48 | gravity | abrotman: No |
| 03:15.54 | abrotman | gravity: you know .. i think the last time he "disappeared" .. he had a girlfriend :) |
| 03:15.57 | zebalin4 | abrotman: what does 'desktop' get you? |
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| 03:16.11 | abrotman | zebalin4: no idea .. those tasks in tasksel suck |
| 03:16.22 | asg | abrotman: or he's doing ubuntu support |
| 03:16.28 | gravity | abrotman: Hopefully that's it |
| 03:16.30 | abrotman | asg: /msg nickserv info bob2 |
| 03:16.32 | gravity | asg: No, I don't think so |
| 03:16.39 | JMTeal | nevermind.. |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | unless he's under an alias |
| 03:16.42 | beardy | eska: what felipe_br said |
| 03:16.42 | gravity | I don't think he's involved with Ubuntu any more |
| 03:16.46 | zebalin4 | abrotman: but I want a kde desktop with cups, foomatic and the whole mess. "desktop' I would hope would give me that. |
| 03:16.47 | Lightkey | yo homies, anyone know what apt-get is trying to say here? |
| 03:16.49 | Lightkey | W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 189 378 |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | zebalin4: apt-get x-window-system kde kdm |
| 03:17.03 | asg | gravity: oh, okay. I haven't talked to him in a bit. |
| 03:17.05 | abrotman | apt says bizaare ? |
| 03:17.25 | Lightkey | no, Bizarre |
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| 03:17.41 | abrotman | !paulswmsmite me |
| 03:17.55 | eska | beardy : aptitude also resolves ftp.debian.org as 1.0.0.0 ; the line in /etc/apt/sources.list is "deb dtp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" |
| 03:18.02 | drp | whenever I try to compile the new ndiswrapper I'm getting these errors and I"m not sure why |
| 03:18.06 | drp | I'll post them in #flood |
| 03:18.14 | joip | asg: thanks |
| 03:18.15 | eska | (ftp*, that's a typo, I'm not copy/pasting) |
| 03:18.17 | gravity | I need a fun 3d game or something |
| 03:18.19 | asg | joip: you're welcome |
| 03:18.24 | asg | gravity: foobillard |
| 03:18.29 | gravity | meh... |
| 03:18.36 | Lightkey | gravity: ppracer ;) |
| 03:18.38 | asg | gravity: bzflag? |
| 03:18.59 | asg | gravity: drink a lot and play nethack? |
| 03:19.09 | gravity | asg: That's what I usually do :-) |
| 03:19.16 | Amarande | time to restart X |
| 03:19.16 | Lightkey | it resolves to your definition of fun I guess |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | gravity: enigma! |
| 03:19.30 | asg | gravity: :) |
| 03:19.30 | beardy | eska: Ok, yes, let's try to solve this issue first.. Did you check your /etc/resolv.conf like felipe_br asked you to? |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | though enigma isn't 3d |
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| 03:20.17 | beardy | eska: Can you paste it in a pastebin perhaps? /msg dpkg paste |
| 03:20.39 | Lightkey | so nobody encountered this "Bizarre Error" yet? |
| 03:20.47 | kspath | gravity: would xscreensaver with opengl support rotating through 3d only savers be good for that? |
| 03:20.56 | gravity | Hot damn, someone packaged gearhead. It's not 3d but I need go pull it |
| 03:21.07 | gravity | kspath: No, I want to play something :-) |
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| 03:21.10 | felipe_br | eska ok |
| 03:21.21 | felipe_br | eska let's test your dns server |
| 03:21.38 | Lightkey | :/ |
| 03:21.41 | felipe_br | eska see the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf with "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 03:21.42 | eska | beardy, oh yes, sorry, we've been through this with jjazz ; I typed the IPs of the DNS servers in resolv.conf (before that, my router took care of the DNS stuff, and that messed things up), but the problem is that DHCP resets the resolv.conf file every time the connexion is reset |
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| 03:21.56 | felipe_br | hum |
| 03:22.01 | Amarande | yay, nvidia driver goodness |
| 03:22.03 | pirunguix | brazilians here to help a new guy with linux? |
| 03:22.22 | asg | !br |
| 03:22.22 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:22.23 | kspath | en english si |
| 03:22.26 | beardy | abrotman: What's that factoid "leave my resolv.conf alone?" called? |
| 03:22.27 | asg | pirunguix: ^^^^ try there first |
| 03:22.36 | maher | eska: dhco is meant to do that - what dns servers does dhcp give you? |
| 03:22.49 | pirunguix | ok |
| 03:23.05 | abrotman | !systemwide |
| 03:23.08 | abrotman | !system wide |
| 03:23.08 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | nope .. that's not it |
| 03:23.15 | beardy | !fixresolvconf |
| 03:23.15 | abrotman | !listvals resolv.conf |
| 03:23.15 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 03:23.17 | eska | maher : dhcp gives 192.168.1.1 as my DNS server, and that's my router. when I type the actual DNS servers in resolv.cong, everything works cool. |
| 03:23.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'resolv.conf' by value (6): firewall-easy ;; fixresolvconf ;; chrooted base ;; firewall easy ;; domain name ;; interfaces. |
| 03:23.24 | beardy | eska: ^^^ |
| 03:23.27 | felipe_br | pirunguix sorry, is that with me? |
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| 03:23.41 | abrotman | beardy: i think he and jjazz did that already |
| 03:23.42 | junix | why is there no installation candidate for webmin in unstable? |
| 03:23.52 | maher | eska: your router is probably trying to do dns for you |
| 03:23.55 | beardy | abrotman: Ok. |
| 03:24.12 | cem__ | can kaboodle play "ogm" files? |
| 03:24.13 | raden | junix, why would you want webmin ? |
| 03:24.16 | abrotman | i thought he fixed the /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | with supercede domain-name-server IP, IP |
| 03:24.34 | junix | raden: i want to use it.... |
| 03:24.42 | pirunguix | felipe_br maybe ahha |
| 03:24.45 | maher | eska: leave resolv.conf as your router would like it to be and see if dns queries work |
| 03:24.48 | junix | raden: its for other ppl, not familiar with linux/unix |
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| 03:24.56 | cem__ | what media player can play ogm files? |
| 03:24.57 | eska | beardy : I guess I could copy those command, but I'm kinda ucomfortable about not knowing what it actually does |
| 03:25.29 | pirunguix | felipe_br i want a comand to copy one folder, the cp seams to not work.... |
| 03:25.36 | eska | maher : the problem comes from my router taking care of things, and this problem is solved when I type the DNS addresses myself. |
| 03:25.40 | felipe_br | pirunguix hey man whas'up?! I'm the superfly! :-) |
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| 03:26.05 | maher | eska: what sort of router? mine succesfully does dns - use dig on the router to see if its doing dns |
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| 03:26.25 | maher | eska if not check the router is getting the right dns settings from your isp |
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| 03:26.32 | eska | maher : it does DNS fine, since I'm using it with windows right now, no problem |
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| 03:27.02 | gravity | I may just have to play ur-quan-masters |
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| 03:27.08 | gravity | Because it's too awesome not to play |
| 03:27.12 | abrotman | gravity: enigma! |
| 03:27.22 | cem__ | what media player can play ogm files? |
| 03:27.49 | Lightkey | any |
| 03:28.01 | Guerin | cem__: mplayer, xine, vlc |
| 03:28.02 | eska | abrotman : why specifically 4.2.2.1 and 168.126.63.1 as nameserver in that command the bot said? aren't I supposed to use the DNS servers my ISP tells me? and what's the chattr command do? |
| 03:28.04 | beardy | eska: It echoes (writes) the IP:s of two nameservers to your /etc/resolv.conf, after that it changes the an attribute of the file /etc/resolv.conf, so it can't be modified, from 'man chattr': A file with the `i' attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted." It's good that you don't run whatever someone tells you. |
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| 03:28.25 | eska | heh, nevermind that abrotman, I got my answer |
| 03:28.27 | abrotman | esk: uhm .. i didn't spit that command out :) |
| 03:28.35 | Guerin | gravity: starcon2!!!! |
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| 03:28.51 | eska | yes, abrotman, the bot did, but I figured you might know a little about it :-) |
| 03:28.55 | Lightkey | !!! |
| 03:28.55 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 03:28.56 | maher | eska: try dig @router google.com from the linux box and see it works... |
| 03:28.57 | Guerin | damn, that game was AWESOME back when people only had 386en |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | esk: i told you to use the /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 03:29.30 | eska | maher : "dig: command not found" |
| 03:29.37 | maher | eska: install dig... |
| 03:29.42 | asg | eska: install dnsutils |
| 03:29.42 | beardy | eska: That's just two nameservers, replace them with your own if you want to, the important thing is the chattr, to hinder dhclient/your ISP to screw it up |
| 03:30.06 | gravity | Guerin: Yeah dude. I loved starcon2 |
| 03:30.09 | eska | maher, I neet to get apt working before I can install anything :-D |
| 03:30.22 | beardy | eska: Or do it the other ways that dpkg said. |
| 03:30.37 | asg | Guerin: you need the mame rom for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. |
| 03:30.51 | Guerin | gravity: the ur-quan were way overpowered though |
| 03:30.56 | beardy | eska: Perhaps what abrotman said is better, since you don't have to change the attribute. |
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| 03:31.02 | Guerin | asg: no, I don't believe I do. |
| 03:31.09 | asg | Guerin: yes, you do. |
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| 03:31.22 | Guerin | if I could get lemmings 2 working, though, that would be sweet |
| 03:31.24 | eska | beardy : gah, I don't have resolvconf either :-/ |
| 03:31.35 | maher | eska: ftp.debian.org (128.101.80.133) <-- use ftp manually on the ip as a last resort |
| 03:31.39 | beardy | eska: What do we do if not is installed? |
| 03:31.40 | Guerin | at least, in principle it would be sweet - it would probably bore the bejesus out of me after an hour |
| 03:31.44 | asg | Guerin: well, there is that. |
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| 03:32.01 | beardy | eska: "if +something is not installed" |
| 03:32.14 | eska | beardy : can I solve this just by editing dhclient.conf? the bot didn't really say what to do in it |
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| 03:32.48 | beardy | eska: Yes. Edit it, have a look at the file. |
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| 03:33.18 | eska | beardy : I did that a while back, I remember all the lines were commented out |
| 03:33.21 | skc | i have a problem with my firewall.. i can access the web in all the enabled computers to do it, i can ping locally but cannot ping anything from the outside ie: www.debian.org, im using shorewall, dchpd, and dnsmasq.. any ideas of where the problem may be? |
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| 03:33.31 | eska | (a while = a few hours) |
| 03:34.20 | beardy | eska: Remove a comment at the correct line then. |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | add one or some or many! |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | man dhclient.conf |
| 03:34.49 | Lightkey | well, the "Bizarre Error" vanished together with the missing public key message, so it was just a misleading error message.. |
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| 03:35.49 | eska | beardy : but which one is the correct line? the bot just said "edit that file", which ain't much help to me :-/ |
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| 03:36.32 | beardy | eska: Read the manual, the first thing is always to read the manual, or other available documentation. |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | like the other manual |
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| 03:39.15 | Flimzy | Are there any tools to rebuild a DVD after removing unwanted audio tracks, subtitles, etc, perhaps transocding the video to a lower bitrate, and maybe removing unwanted video titles (i.e. previews, etc)? |
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| 03:39.46 | eska | beardy : from where I stand, it looks like I shoud delete the "request" line from dhclient.conf... but it already *is* commented out |
| 03:40.04 | beardy | eska: "option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" that line looks like a good starting point, either remove the comment, or add a new line at the bottom, replace the adress with a real nameserver. |
| 03:40.32 | kspath | eska: did you Read The Fine Manual yet? |
| 03:41.06 | beardy | eska: After that, restart the dhclient. |
| 03:41.22 | abrotman | actually .. /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 03:41.42 | kspath | eska: there is always a chance the manual and/or config files are wrong. That is VERY VERY uncommon for popular things but other things that are not always used that is not uncommon. |
| 03:41.53 | omi | is it possible to have 'backup' configuration for a network interface in case DHCP autoconfiguration fails? |
| 03:42.12 | abrotman | how would you know how to configure it ? |
| 03:42.32 | omi | ? |
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| 03:43.41 | SperMite | can someone look at this error and tell me whats wrong http://pastebin.com/533259 |
| 03:43.43 | kspath | abrotman: Were you asking omi or kspath? |
| 03:44.03 | omi | ahh |
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| 03:44.29 | abrotman | omi |
| 03:44.49 | abrotman | there is a package .. to allow different netconfs |
| 03:44.51 | omi | abrotman, I don't understand your question, please restate it |
| 03:44.56 | abrotman | how would you know how to configure it ? |
| 03:45.12 | beardy | eska: As abrotman said, to restart dhclient, run '/etc/init.d/networking restart'. How did it go? |
| 03:45.18 | omi | I was thinking that perhaps there's default configuration that is reverted to if dhcp fails |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | !info laptop-netconf |
| 03:45.26 | dpkg | laptop-netconf: (network detection and configuration program for laptops), section net, is extra. Version: 0.9.6.4 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 03:45.47 | kspath | abrotman: I think omi meant rephrase it rather than restate which means repeat more/less/ |
| 03:46.02 | omi | kspath, yes |
| 03:46.16 | abrotman | kspath: i can't interpret every request . i came with a crappy parser :) |
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| 03:46.33 | kspath | omi: it would have helped abrotman et al a bit if you used the phrase re-phrase |
| 03:46.33 | abrotman | omi: i mean .. what backup would you have ? |
| 03:46.49 | omi | I don't have anything |
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| 03:46.58 | omi | I was asking IF it is POSSIBLE |
| 03:47.11 | beardy | omi: And it is. |
| 03:47.13 | abrotman | omi: apt-cache show laptop-netconf |
| 03:47.20 | kspath | omi: anything/everything is possible unless it is unpossible ;-) |
| 03:47.32 | omi | ok, I'll take a look, but this isn't for a laptop |
| 03:47.48 | beardy | impossible though.. but nothing is impossible, only more or less hard. |
| 03:48.05 | kspath | omi: desktops do not generally go flying around to various networks |
| 03:48.19 | abrotman | they can drive! |
| 03:48.20 | beardy | (one can say to oneself, if one wants to think positive..) |
| 03:48.38 | omi | this is for a server/router |
| 03:48.48 | eska | beardy : finally got the proper syntax for dhclient.conf. restarted it like you said, but resolv.conf still has 192.168.1.1 as my nameserver |
| 03:49.31 | felipe_br | anyway why is his router resolving badly? |
| 03:49.46 | beardy | eska: Edit resolv.conf again, the same nameserver as you gave dhclient.conf. |
| 03:49.53 | felipe_br | if there is a resolver there anyway, why does it return 1.0.0.0 ? |
| 03:50.01 | beardy | eska: See if it sticks, or if it messes up again. |
| 03:50.03 | kspath | eska: silly hack solution 1) overwrite /etc/resolv.conf every 5 minutes with a set of valid nameservers. |
| 03:50.10 | beardy | felipe_br: Yeah, that is strange.. |
| 03:50.24 | eska | kspath, I thought of that, but I'd like an elegant solution :-) |
| 03:50.26 | beardy | kspath: He where given real solutions. |
| 03:50.29 | beardy | were |
| 03:50.31 | felipe_br | maybe a "dig www.google.com @192.168.1.1" |
| 03:50.38 | kspath | was? |
| 03:51.08 | kspath | He was already given valid solutions. |
| 03:52.14 | eska | beardy: modified the resolv.conf by hand, did ifdown and then ifup, now it's back with my shitty router as nameserver :-/ |
| 03:52.39 | beardy | eska: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" you were also told.. |
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| 03:53.20 | felipe_br | eska: if you don't chattr, resolv.conf will be rewritten whenever you /etc/init.d/... start |
| 03:53.45 | eska | okay, so that's kind of a hack solution |
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| 03:54.29 | felipe_br | eska: you can modify /etc/resolv.conf and test it right away without restarting network because /etc/resolv.conf is consulted every dns search |
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| 03:54.41 | [AusClans]Viper | hi guys |
| 03:54.45 | beardy | eska: Convince your router not to talk shit, if that is less of a "hack" for you. |
| 03:54.47 | eska | yes felipe_br, and when I do that my DNS's resolve fine |
| 03:54.52 | [AusClans]Viper | i need some help with bash :S |
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| 03:55.12 | felipe_br | so basically, if you modify your resolv.conf and you get to solve things ok then the problem really is your router |
| 03:55.13 | jjazz | eska: OK, here's a solution: in /etc/network/interfaces, you can specify a post-up command. Use it to run a script to edit your resolv.conf. (Not sure if this has been suggested). |
| 03:55.15 | beardy | antgel: Ask. |
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| 03:55.19 | felipe_br | ok then |
| 03:55.19 | [AusClans]Viper | i keep getting bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory |
| 03:55.22 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: Ask. |
| 03:55.24 | flowtron | Hello all |
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| 03:55.32 | felipe_br | I think there is a dhclient option to not rewrite resolv.conf isnt it? |
| 03:55.41 | jjazz | felipe_br: Is there? |
| 03:55.42 | [AusClans]Viper | running 64 bit version |
| 03:55.47 | eska | I'd love that, felipe_br : |
| 03:55.47 | beardy | felipe_br: That is what he did.. |
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| 03:56.15 | eska | that's what I think I attempted to do, rather, I hope I did it right |
| 03:56.22 | flowtron | I'm fumbling with CVS here. Somehow it won't get a current version for me ... I tried cvs checkout PROJECT and cvs update PROJECT |
| 03:56.27 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: Stop trying to run it then, if it's not there. |
| 03:56.37 | [AusClans]Viper | lol. it's there |
| 03:56.40 | abrotman | flowtron: are you logged in ? |
| 03:56.41 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: What is that thing anyway? |
| 03:56.44 | [AusClans]Viper | that's the problem |
| 03:56.53 | [AusClans]Viper | for CS game server |
| 03:56.57 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: It's not executable. |
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| 03:57.09 | [AusClans]Viper | i've set it to executable |
| 03:57.10 | flowtron | abrotman : I got my first version (after doing a cvs -p command) |
| 03:57.14 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: "sh somecrap.bin" if you have to.. |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | flowtron: no errors ? |
| 03:57.37 | [AusClans]Viper | hldsupdatetool.bin: hldsupdatetool.bin: cannot execute binary file |
| 03:57.42 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: If it doesn'r un, it's not. |
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| 03:57.54 | eska | felipe_br, in dhclient.conf I added lease { option domain-name-servers 195.238.2.21; }, is that cool? because it doesn't prevent resolv.conf from being changed back :-/ |
| 03:57.56 | [AusClans]Viper | the thing is that it works fine on my suse box |
| 03:57.56 | flowtron | abrotman : no, it says updating this & that ... but all files have old timestamps |
| 03:58.21 | felipe_br | eska wait a minute |
| 03:58.31 | felden | i got a question what env variable to put so my program go compile (i have all the required libraries) but didnt see them?? |
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| 03:58.44 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: you still here? |
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| 03:58.58 | beardy | [AusClans]Viper: Do you actually know what it is? Is it a binary, or is it one of those scripts with a tarball things? |
| 03:59.17 | [AusClans]Viper | is a self extraction program |
| 03:59.20 | Phated | [AusClans]Viper: chmod +x |
| 03:59.22 | [AusClans]Viper | that installes steam |
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| 03:59.24 | [AusClans]Viper | yeah done that |
| 03:59.25 | ericw | hello |
| 03:59.34 | Phated | [AusClans]Viper: Then just ./hlwhatever.bin |
| 03:59.34 | ericw | cdebootstrap -a amd64 testing /mnt/DbDomain/ |
| 03:59.38 | SperMite | http://pastebin.com/533259 can someone tell me whats wrong? |
| 03:59.39 | ericw | E: Can't find checksum for Packages file |
| 03:59.41 | daxxar | [AusClans]Viper, did you try ./hlds<soething>.bin? |
| 03:59.42 | ericw | any idea? |
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| 03:59.51 | felipe_br | eska jjazz sorry I use dhcpcd. It has an option "SET_DNS" ;-) |
| 04:00.02 | felipe_br | eska why dont you change your dhcp client then? |
| 04:00.12 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: kind of ..and only for a bit |
| 04:00.22 | abrotman | flowtron: that's how cvs works :) |
| 04:00.40 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: np. I'm STILL playing with those cards |
| 04:00.41 | [AusClans]Viper | i've been doing some googleing.. see alot of problems with bash and 64 bit |
| 04:00.43 | eska | felipe_br, because I have no idea how do do that, I didn't even know it could be done. which FM should I RT ? ;-) |
| 04:00.54 | humboldt | my pptp link shuts down imediately after establishment. what could be the cause? These two debug messages concern me: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP; rcvd [CCP TermReq id=0xf] |
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| 04:01.00 | flowtron | abrotman: but the source remains old, the official new release is way different - might this be due to them not using CVS anymore?!?! |
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| 04:01.19 | abrotman | flowtron: try it in another directory to compare |
| 04:01.22 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: I ~might~ just get mad and slap the PCMCIA adaptor back into my desktop system. LOL |
| 04:01.25 | joseph | how do I set the environment variable "SDL_VIDEODRIVER" to "x11" ? |
| 04:01.36 | felipe_br | eska when you get DNS working, apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 04:01.43 | felipe_br | eska maybe you should remove dhclient |
| 04:01.46 | humboldt | my pptp link shuts down imediately after establishment. what could be the cause? These two debug messages concern me: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP; rcvd [CCP TermReq id=0xf] |
| 04:01.54 | flowtron | abrotman: ok, just tell me : update or checkout, what to use |
| 04:02.02 | felipe_br | eska wait |
| 04:02.04 | beardy | joseph: export FOO=BAR |
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| 04:02.23 | joseph | what is foo and bar? |
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| 04:02.37 | beardy | joseph: In your ~/.bashrc if you want it permanent. |
| 04:02.42 | beardy | joseph: Examples. |
| 04:02.44 | abrotman | flowtron: in a new dir .. checkout |
| 04:02.51 | eska | felden, I got the DNS working (that is, until next time the connection is reset) |
| 04:02.54 | eska | oos |
| 04:02.55 | eska | oops |
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| 04:03.01 | eska | felipe_br : what I said |
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| 04:03.17 | joseph | beardy: so would it be export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11 |
| 04:03.24 | beardy | joseph: Yep. |
| 04:03.31 | flowtron | abrotman : thanks ... the sederquist (or something like that) didn't really enlighten me on that point ... |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | man cvs should help |
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| 04:03.48 | ericw | any idea on that cdebootstrap problem? |
| 04:04.15 | flowtron | hehe, yeah. but it's a lot in one go ... I guess I got confused - so I came here - there's always help on #debian :) |
| 04:04.38 | ericw | http://pastebin.com/533269 |
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| 04:04.46 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: do you know of a shell command that scans a range of IPs and reports what is responding? |
| 04:05.09 | felipe_br | eska well that's it: I know that dhcpcd has SET_DNS option |
| 04:05.13 | abrotman | you ping the broadcast for your network .. if your network allows it |
| 04:05.31 | felipe_br | eska you can switch the client |
| 04:05.51 | felipe_br | eska I think dhclient is package dhcp3 |
| 04:05.58 | felipe_br | or maybe dhcp |
| 04:06.03 | eska | felipe_br : I tried to remove dhclient (apt-get remove dhclient, right?) and it tells me it's not installed o_O |
| 04:06.07 | eska | oh. |
| 04:06.09 | eska | thanks. |
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| 04:06.20 | beardy | jeeves_Moss: Or nmap, or other scanner. |
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| 04:06.38 | felipe_br | you can know which package is with the command: dpkg -S /sbin/dhclient |
| 04:06.48 | jeeves_Moss | beardy: will it scan a range though? |
| 04:06.57 | beardy | jeeves_Moss: If you tell it to. |
| 04:07.12 | grendal_prime | hey anyone ever had a video..avi to be exact where the sound just always gets slow over time? |
| 04:07.12 | jeeves_Moss | beardy: and syntax you'd like to share? |
| 04:07.38 | beardy | jeeves_Moss: Gladly. 'man nmap' or 'man whatever'. |
| 04:07.47 | [AusClans]Viper | i'm still getting this error :S hldsupdatetool.bin: hldsupdatetool.bin: cannot execute binary file |
| 04:08.00 | abrotman | where is it? on a CD ? |
| 04:08.17 | abrotman | is the partition mounted noexec ? |
| 04:08.25 | eska | okat, felipe_br, dhcp-client is removed and dhcpcd is installed |
| 04:08.31 | eska | okay* |
| 04:08.38 | lk26_ | help patch-o-matic |
| 04:08.45 | abrotman | :patch lk26_ |
| 04:08.45 | grendal_prime | no its a avi i made from a cd you talking to me abrotman ? |
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| 04:08.54 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 04:09.00 | beardy | You know, you could have just changed an attribute of one file and it would have been done.. |
| 04:10.00 | [AusClans]Viper | i fixed it guys |
| 04:10.14 | [AusClans]Viper | you have to apt-get install ia32-libs |
| 04:10.16 | eska | yes, beardy, I know, but I'm trying to find a more satisfactory solution, of course there are plenty of was to fix it quickly |
| 04:10.26 | abrotman | dhclient.conf! |
| 04:11.10 | useruser_ | grendal_prime: it's not an uncommon problem i think |
| 04:11.24 | beardy | eska: Allright, if you are aware of it, it's fine, go on. |
| 04:12.02 | pirunguix | someone can see if my first shell script is right? |
| 04:12.15 | grendal_prime | ya but useruser_ the reason i ask is because there are other i have made....on the same machine that do not do that |
| 04:12.24 | beardy | abrotman: See you later. |
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| 04:12.45 | abrotman | beardy: come back! |
| 04:13.00 | beardy | abrotman: I thought you were going? |
| 04:13.12 | eska | beardy : to be quite honest it's 5am right now, and I've got a class at 9 tomorrow, and I'm seriously considering doing the chattr thing. at least, as far as quick & dirty fixes go, I know what this one does, it's not like someone gave me a complicated solution that I don't understand. |
| 04:13.52 | beardy | eska: You can change the attribute back tomorrow, or when you have time, and do it in a way that you feel is nicer later. |
| 04:13.54 | felden | if i got error main in -lboost_signals... what sould i change like the configure script to recognize my llibrary(boost)??? |
| 04:14.04 | grendal_prime | its werid its like...if i do it with a cartoon...type movie it seems to have np..but as soon as i do it with like a movie movie...it has this issue with syncing the sound |
| 04:14.05 | pirunguix | someone can see if my first shell script is right?? |
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| 04:14.29 | odla | grendal_prime: do you use mplayer? |
| 04:14.33 | useruser_ | grendal_prime: what are you ripping with? |
| 04:14.42 | grendal_prime | acidrip |
| 04:14.48 | beardy | pirunguix: No. Run and debug, over and over again. |
| 04:14.51 | useruser_ | grendal_prime: which uses mencoder, right? |
| 04:14.57 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 04:15.04 | flowtron | abrotman : well, I did get the new source now. I'll try checkout again sometime in the future ... thanks so far! |
| 04:15.07 | eska | beardy : that's the thing about dirty fixes ; first you say "I'll do it diry now, and perfect it when I have time", but you keep delaying it by saying "bah, it works, why change it?" |
| 04:15.08 | pirunguix | beardy I am using LIVE CD |
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| 04:15.31 | pirunguix | beardy this configure my modem .... |
| 04:15.33 | beardy | eska: I don't think this is a dirty fix though. |
| 04:15.40 | useruser_ | grendal_prime: try asking in #mplayer |
| 04:15.45 | grendal_prime | k |
| 04:15.46 | dominicano | dvm |
| 04:15.47 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 04:15.52 | dominicano | dvm1981, |
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| 04:16.12 | odla | grendal_prime: i've had problems with sound sync with movies using mplayer |
| 04:16.15 | beardy | eska: It's simple and elegant, IMHO. But of course you have to write it down so you remember what you have done, and to what. |
| 04:16.43 | beardy | eska: It's up to you. |
| 04:17.03 | felden | what sould i change like the configure script to recognize my llibrary lboost iin /usr/lib/boost/???or what config |
| 04:17.18 | felipe_br | eska: can you sleep with a chattr today? maybe installing another dhcp client will mess things up |
| 04:17.23 | ddfire | how do i copy the content of a directory to another preserving the attribs and copy the hiden files too??? |
| 04:17.26 | eska | beardy : not as "dirty" as making a script that re-writes the resolv.conf at each network reset, I'll grant you that, but it's still basically accepting that the system does something it should not be doing (i.e. changing that damn resolv.conf file back to a shitty value) and not dealing with it :-/ |
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| 04:17.35 | Ayiden | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.39 | eska | yes, felipe_br, I was about to do that :-) |
| 04:18.07 | beardy | eska: It does what is supposed to, it listens and obeys the dhcpserver, which if fucked, on your router. Isn't it? |
| 04:18.32 | felipe_br | anyway, beardy if he wants to try it, not a sin |
| 04:19.01 | Nurbs | eska: I didn't read all of it, but at least with dhcp3-client you only need to remove the request for daomin-name-servers in dhclient.conf and restart dhclient |
| 04:19.36 | eska | I think so, beardy, 'though I don't really know *what* is wrong with the router (it resolves some URLs, and others not), and I'd like to understand the cause of that as well :-/ |
| 04:19.36 | Nurbs | esher: then change resolv.conf |
| 04:19.48 | Ayiden | is it okay if I kept the default "localhost"? If not then how do I change it? |
| 04:19.57 | beardy | eska: I understand. But fix it so you atleast have netaccess, and solve it better afterwards? |
| 04:19.58 | eska | Nurbs, the dhclient.conf file is completely commented out anyway, so I don't really see how I could neutralize it even more |
| 04:20.15 | Nurbs | eska: by changing default values. |
| 04:20.50 | felipe_br | eska: you changed the DNS server on your dhcp server conf at the router, didnt you? but have you restarted the service? |
| 04:21.12 | eska | felipe_br, nope, I haven't touched the routre |
| 04:21.15 | eska | router* |
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| 04:21.46 | orchid | the latest kernel I can find (sid) with apt-cache is kernel-source-2.6.8. is it called linux-source now r something? |
| 04:21.57 | orchid | s/r/or/ |
| 04:21.58 | beardy | eska: Well, if you can, that is what you should be doing. I thought it was some crappy consumerlevel "hardware" router/firewall platic box? |
| 04:22.07 | Nurbs | orchid: yes |
| 04:22.24 | beardy | plastic |
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| 04:22.28 | felipe_br | eska: oops, sorry, I'm assuming your router is dhcp server... is it? |
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| 04:23.04 | eska | no, felipe_br, I gave the router the IPs my ISP gave me as DNS servers |
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| 04:23.49 | odla | i love the difference in level of quality questions between here and #ubuntu |
| 04:23.51 | Nurbs | eska: that might be an issue |
| 04:24.02 | eska | beardy : what should I change on the router then? remove the DNS addresses, and have all the 'puters on the LAN contact the DNS servers on their own instead of having the router do it? |
| 04:24.06 | orchid | ok thnx Nurbs |
| 04:24.07 | beardy | fidget: Don't irc as root. |
| 04:24.33 | Nurbs | eska: if some requests resolve fine and others do not your router might do round-robin on the dns servers you provide and one of the ISPs DNS servers might not work |
| 04:24.36 | odla | beardy: they'd kick him from #slackwkare if he irc'ed as root |
| 04:24.43 | odla | slackware |
| 04:24.45 | beardy | eska: Well, do the "router" actually run a dnsserver, or a forwarder? |
| 04:24.51 | Nurbs | ISP's |
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| 04:25.38 | eska | a forwarder, beardy, I assume my 89-euro router doesn't run its own dns server |
| 04:25.51 | felipe_br | hummm |
| 04:25.59 | beardy | eska: If you want the boxes on the lan to ask the router, it has to forward the requests. |
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| 04:26.18 | Nurbs | at 89,- EUR you get a router running Linux with DNS, DHCP, NTP, IRC proxy and what not nowadays. |
| 04:26.32 | felipe_br | well not the right time for this :-) |
| 04:26.36 | Nurbs | you _can_ get ;) |
| 04:26.41 | beardy | eska: And the router really has the correct nameservers? |
| 04:26.45 | mehhhh | anyone have any idea why I would be getting wccp coms between a squid box and a cisco router, with the I see you and here I am packets, however the redirection from the cisco doesn't seem to ever get to the squid box... |
| 04:26.55 | aaron_ | is anyone fimilar with setting up snort_inline? |
| 04:27.01 | aaron_ | with shorewall |
| 04:27.23 | eska | beardy : yeah, I've been using the two widows PC's on the internet with no problems whatsoever |
| 04:27.24 | beardy | eska: I think we are almost back at the beginning now.. if the chattr works, do that, and fiddle around more tomorrow :) |
| 04:27.29 | eska | yeah |
| 04:27.45 | odla | ls |
| 04:27.46 | eska | as I was typing, but you guys keep interrupting... ;-) |
| 04:27.47 | eska | anyway guys, I just typed the oh-so-sweet shutdown -h now command, and am going to catch some Z's before bugging you again some other day. I really appreciate your help and patience |
| 04:27.52 | Nurbs | .oO( widows' PCs? ) |
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| 04:27.58 | eska | haha |
| 04:28.10 | eska | windows. I confess. |
| 04:28.24 | eska | good nigh, evening, whatever guys |
| 04:28.26 | Nurbs | bah, I told you The Correct Way for fixing dhclient if your router doesn't work :o) |
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| 04:28.31 | leech | <.> better? |
| 04:28.32 | beardy | eska: Goodnight. |
| 04:28.35 | leech | bleh |
| 04:28.39 | Nurbs | ... nad the comfy chair |
| 04:28.50 | Nurbs | and even |
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| 04:29.28 | eska | Nurbs, I can hardly find my bed without an atlas right now, and my room is like 10m². I'll have to ask you for The Correcy Way again some other time, I apologize in advance :-D |
| 04:30.01 | eska | thanks again beardy, felipe_br and Nurbs :-) |
| 04:30.05 | felipe_br | eska have you used supersede in dhclient.conf? |
| 04:30.12 | felipe_br | eska this is last question :-) |
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| 04:30.33 | Nurbs | supersede would work fine, too, yeah |
| 04:30.51 | fidget | beardy: how did you know it was running as root? |
| 04:31.07 | beardy | fidget: magic.. |
| 04:31.34 | ericw | please help :) cdebootstrap problem: http://pastebin.com/533269 |
| 04:31.40 | Nurbs | beardy: would you enlarge my penis? :) |
| 04:31.43 | fidget | does it take much to get root on a system running irc as root? |
| 04:31.45 | beardy | fidget: fidget [n=root@c- has joined |
| 04:31.50 | fidget | ahh .. |
| 04:31.54 | fidget | laughs ... that was easy .. |
| 04:32.29 | Nurbs | fidget: can be damn hard, might be easy if there's a bug in your client, though. |
| 04:32.46 | fidget | ah ... is that common? |
| 04:32.59 | Nurbs | all software breaks |
| 04:33.12 | fidget | i've never had a hello world program break on me .. |
| 04:33.16 | fidget | =) |
| 04:33.22 | felden | what sould i change like the configure script to recognize my llibrary lboost iin /usr/lib/boost/???or what config sould i edit?? |
| 04:33.23 | beardy | fidget: That is irrelevant. Root should only be used when absolutely necessary. |
| 04:33.59 | ericw | beardy, yeah, like when running programs under wine.. (/me runs) |
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| 04:34.19 | ruser | mmm, at some point of time i horribly borked my sarge distro.. apparently my sources had installed some libs from etch. so now i wanna actaully update to etch to resolve problems. however i get: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-6) but 2.3.5-8 is installed |
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| 04:34.24 | fidget | eh sudo failed to switch over ... much sorry .. |
| 04:34.32 | SperMite | Can someone tell look at this ERROR for me > http://pastebin.com/533293 |
| 04:34.41 | beardy | ericw: You can run but you cannot hide! ;) |
| 04:34.42 | odla | ruser: do you have backported packages? |
| 04:35.07 | ruser | odla what does that mean? |
| 04:35.23 | odla | ruser: do you use packages from backport.org |
| 04:35.27 | ericw | iirc, wine will moan if you try calling it as root |
| 04:35.29 | ruser | odla nope |
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| 04:36.02 | beardy | ericw: Probably depends more on if you running X as root or not.. |
| 04:36.10 | felipe_br | SperMite do you have linux-source installed? you seem to have only headers |
| 04:36.13 | felden | SperMite: try to do first make mrproper |
| 04:36.32 | ericw | beardy, I think it pops up a dialog that says, "running this as root is bad, but press okay if you insist" |
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| 04:36.41 | beardy | ericw: Ok. |
| 04:36.44 | ReaCT | hello everyone im running debian 3.1 on my new 3ware 9550sx-4lp, ive installed debian and when i try to use apt-get to install anything it dont work even when I try to install ssh, can anyone please take a look here: http://pastebin.com/533295 and tell me what they think Thanks! |
| 04:37.04 | ruser | odla btw, i get this error tring to do dist upgrade (as suggested by dpkg sarge->etch) and if i try suggested apt-get -f install it want's to remove bunch of libs |
| 04:37.34 | SperMite | felipe_br hah guess i don't have it installed is that bad? |
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| 04:38.01 | ruser | ReaCT did you run apt-get upgrade before that? |
| 04:38.12 | ruser | ReaCT sorry apt-get update. rather |
| 04:38.15 | ReaCT | yes i did |
| 04:38.24 | ruser | ReaCT what does your source.list says? |
| 04:38.26 | felipe_br | ericw I think your error is because amd64 is not in archive yet |
| 04:38.42 | k-man | whats the command that tells you the current load? |
| 04:38.47 | felipe_br | ericw I dont know how to use cdebootstrap but I guess you must specify a mirror |
| 04:38.54 | ruser | k-man top or ps |
| 04:39.00 | beardy | k-man: uptime, for one.. |
| 04:39.10 | ReaCT | ruser: one sec ill type it into pastebin |
| 04:39.13 | felipe_br | ericw I mean, an amd64 mirror |
| 04:39.13 | ReaCT | not much info tho |
| 04:39.14 | k-man | ah yeah |
| 04:39.19 | k-man | uptime does it |
| 04:39.20 | ruser | ReaCT hold up |
| 04:39.23 | SperMite | felipe_br do i need to install the source? |
| 04:39.24 | ReaCT | ok |
| 04:39.25 | k-man | thanks |
| 04:39.32 | felipe_br | SperMite as root, apt-get install linux-source-version |
| 04:39.58 | ruser | ReaCT ssh isn't stand alone package. use apt-cache search <pattern> to find packages |
| 04:40.18 | ruser | ReaCT oh crap |
| 04:40.22 | ruser | ReaCT scrap that |
| 04:40.32 | ruser | ReaCT paste the sources.list |
| 04:40.36 | ruser | sorry |
| 04:40.39 | felipe_br | SperMite then cd to the /usr/src/ and unpack the tar.bz2 (the package does not do that automatically) |
| 04:40.40 | ReaCT | i used apt-get install ssh and it works on my other 2 debian boxes |
| 04:40.43 | ReaCT | ok 1 sec |
| 04:40.52 | beardy | !paste |
| 04:40.52 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 04:40.54 | ruser | ReaCT make sure your sources are the same then? |
| 04:40.55 | odla | ruser: i don't know...you could let it remove all those packages, copy the names of the removed packages into a file and then reinstall them...or you could try a clean sarge install then upgrade |
| 04:41.01 | ReaCT | i suppose i should copy my sources.list |
| 04:41.06 | ReaCT | ill try to copy it and give it a shot |
| 04:41.07 | ReaCT | brb |
| 04:41.29 | SperMite | felipe_br it gave me E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 04:41.31 | ruser | odla right. i can't afforg clean install :( |
| 04:41.46 | ruser | odla and there are whole lot of packages... |
| 04:41.47 | ericw | felipe_br, yeah, I just ran it across the debug and found that it was looking for a directory on the mirror that didn't exist |
| 04:41.55 | odla | ruser: well sit tight and someone who knows more than me should have an idea |
| 04:41.56 | ericw | I don't see any amd64 ports out there at ftp.debian.org |
| 04:42.03 | ruser | odla thanks |
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| 04:43.26 | felipe_br | SperMite sorry, the package name was changed in version 2.6.13 only |
| 04:43.34 | felipe_br | SperMite you want kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 04:44.12 | SperMite | just -2.6.8 |
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| 04:44.17 | yos87 | hi |
| 04:44.20 | ReaCT | ok its working ruser, thanks for the idea |
| 04:44.43 | ruser | ReaCT np. sorry for the confusion. for some reason i thouhg ssh was in baseutils... |
| 04:44.44 | felipe_br | SperMite that's ok, kernel-source does not have the -arch thing |
| 04:44.45 | yos87 | why I cannot lon in as a root in the graphic screen |
| 04:44.53 | ReaCT | not a problem it works so im happy :D |
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| 04:45.02 | ReaCT | thanks a bunch have a good night |
| 04:45.28 | yos87 | why I cannot lonin as a root in the graphic screen |
| 04:45.45 | ruser | yos87 you shouldn't be working as root anyways |
| 04:45.50 | odla | yos87: you don't need to repeat yourself |
| 04:45.52 | Guerin | yos87: because you don't need to. |
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| 04:46.03 | odla | !need |
| 04:46.04 | ruser | yos87 new kde disallows root logins for a good reason |
| 04:46.04 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 04:46.06 | yos87 | odla: sorry |
| 04:46.23 | odla | but i need the new super mario bros |
| 04:46.30 | felipe_br | i need a new car |
| 04:46.37 | ruser | a new life, anyone? :) |
| 04:46.40 | odla | oh...i need a new car too |
| 04:46.46 | odla | mine is dead :( |
| 04:46.50 | yos87 | guerin: you mean I cannot login as roon? |
| 04:46.56 | yos87 | I mean root |
| 04:47.07 | Guerin | yos87: not into X, no. |
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| 04:47.12 | felipe_br | yos87 you should not need to login as root in graphic mode |
| 04:47.14 | yos87 | where? |
| 04:47.17 | odla | yos87: just type startx |
| 04:47.19 | Guerin | yos87: you can log into a console as root if you want to. |
| 04:47.47 | yos87 | guerin: but where is the consol? |
| 04:48.03 | yos87 | guerin: it take autmaticly to graphic screen |
| 04:48.03 | Guerin | yos87: log into x as a user and run a terminal program. |
| 04:48.04 | ericw | felipe_br, thanks.. I figured it out. I found a working mirror :) |
| 04:48.10 | felipe_br | !running x as root |
| 04:48.10 | ruser | mmm, at some point of time i horribly borked my sarge distro.. apparently my sources had installed some libs from etch. so now i wanna actaully update to etch to resolve problems. however i get: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-6) but 2.3.5-8 is installed . i get this when i try dist-upgrade as suggested by /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 04:48.10 | dpkg | hmm... running x as root is suicidal due to issues with external security exploits - and yes, they *do* happen in all variants of Linux, Debian or otherwise - though the developers try to beat them down. Instead, log in as normal and either do 'su' or 'sudo'. |
| 04:48.26 | beardy | Guerin: Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6 as default. |
| 04:48.29 | beardy | gah |
| 04:48.42 | beardy | yos87: Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6 as default. |
| 04:48.53 | Guerin | !running x as root =~ s/Linux/*n?x/ |
| 04:48.53 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:49.43 | DaveLib | hello just dropped in to thank #debian, for a few days i have been coming here asking how to install celestia and tomboy a few days ago with your help guerin i got celestia installed and now in the last couple of minutes ii got tomboy installed |
| 04:49.46 | yos87 | beardy: I did |
| 04:49.48 | yos87 | nothing |
| 04:49.50 | SperMite | felipe_br ok i got 2.6.8 extract that into /usr/src then what? |
| 04:49.55 | beardy | yos87: Nothing what? |
| 04:50.11 | yos87 | happen |
| 04:50.12 | felipe_br | Guerin neat! :-) Can I do the =~ stuff to??? |
| 04:50.22 | felipe_br | *too* |
| 04:50.29 | yos87 | beardy: don't ask to read debian installation guid , |
| 04:50.35 | beardy | !wayttd yos87 |
| 04:50.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yos87? |
| 04:50.49 | yos87 | beardy: because I read all book for this, |
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| 04:51.00 | felipe_br | SperMite cd into it and make menuconfig |
| 04:51.06 | yos87 | beardy: and up to now I'm not able to login as root |
| 04:51.07 | SperMite | ok |
| 04:51.10 | odla | felipe_br: you should be able to edit dpkg |
| 04:51.28 | yos87 | beardy: I want to change the screen resolution |
| 04:51.35 | beardy | yos87: Where? |
| 04:51.35 | yos87 | beardy: it's very low |
| 04:51.42 | yos87 | in the root |
| 04:51.44 | beardy | yos87: In X? |
| 04:51.49 | odla | yos87: drxx |
| 04:51.53 | felipe_br | wow, man, do I have power |
| 04:52.02 | odla | !drxx |
| 04:52.02 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 04:52.48 | alvar | which command can I use for listing all the package names in repository? |
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| 04:53.14 | ruser | alvar dpkg -l |
| 04:53.15 | felipe_br | !apt-cache |
| 04:53.15 | dpkg | i heard apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository is came from, use apt-cache policy foo, apt-cache show foo or apt-cache showpkg foo (searches for reverse dependencies). apt-cache search foo helps finding which packages provide or are related to foo by seearching all package descriptions. man apt-cache |
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| 04:54.31 | beardy | !list packages is also dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}' |
| 04:54.31 | dpkg | okay, beardy |
| 04:54.36 | beardy | !list packages |
| 04:54.37 | dpkg | [list packages] dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}' |
| 04:54.41 | felipe_br | alvar aptitude is good too |
| 04:54.41 | alvar | ruser, not on my system. |
| 04:54.45 | beardy | fuck.. |
| 04:54.49 | felipe_br | ? |
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| 04:55.39 | felipe_br | SperMite why do you need to compile the kernel? |
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| 04:56.15 | SperMite | felipe_br i need oss support |
| 04:56.34 | beardy | oh |
| 04:56.39 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 04:56.39 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Great for backups. |
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| 04:57.28 | alvar | felipe_br, I need a list of names of all available packages in a repository. Aptitude can do that? how? |
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| 04:58.51 | flowtron | I'm trying to get a traceback of a segfault of this project ... unfortunately gdb is new to me ... |
| 04:58.54 | yos87 | beardy: not work! |
| 04:59.09 | flowtron | I was told to add -g to the GCC call and omit any -O flags |
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| 04:59.20 | flowtron | but the "bt" in gdb is still not very helpful |
| 04:59.27 | flowtron | am I missing something? |
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| 04:59.47 | felipe_br | alvar you mean all packages available from a specific server? |
| 05:00.07 | ruser | gr... my mozilla firefox is borked after some plugins updates... :( could someone spare chrome://dta/content/browserOverlay.xul and chrome://webdeveloper/content/menu.xul |
| 05:00.08 | alvar | felipe_br, yes. |
| 05:00.14 | felipe_br | alvar: you may want to use grep-available or maybe see the Packages.gz file itself |
| 05:00.28 | flowtron | ruser : same problem here :( |
| 05:00.34 | felipe_br | alvar: grep-available is elegant, Packages.gz is raw mode |
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| 05:01.06 | ruser | flowtron you use webdeveloper extension? |
| 05:01.20 | felipe_br | alvar you have all repos Packages.gz somewhere, let me see... |
| 05:01.27 | flowtron | ruser : used to - uninstalled in safe-mode after updating ... |
| 05:01.32 | felipe_br | SperMite modprobe snd-pcm-oss snd-...-oss |
| 05:01.40 | ruser | flowtron safe-mode? |
| 05:01.52 | alvar | felipe_br, is grep-available a package? why apt-cache search grep-available showed nothing? |
| 05:02.01 | felipe_br | SperMite it is alsa oss emulation, you really need oss or you want old oss devices only? |
| 05:02.08 | flowtron | ruser yeah, you can start firefox in safe mode so you can uninstall broken plugins |
| 05:02.29 | ruser | flowtron how do you do that? |
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| 05:02.32 | flowtron | ruser well actually it was sufficient to call firefox with a URL to reach the menu |
| 05:02.33 | felipe_br | alvar you want grep-dctrl |
| 05:02.36 | levak | hellp |
| 05:02.36 | felipe_br | !grep-dctrl |
| 05:02.41 | felipe_br | !info grep-dctrl |
| 05:02.43 | dpkg | grep-dctrl: (Grep Debian package information), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.6.7 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 05:03.01 | alvar | felipe_br, thank you. |
| 05:03.02 | felipe_br | shoot, not that |
| 05:03.25 | JoJo51432 | can anyone give me a hint regarding how to install sarge on a 3ware raid setup? |
| 05:03.32 | levak | I have a problem with Xorg... I'm running debian testing and I have to restart X on my PC every 2 day. Xorg takes up all my memory 1gb and all swap (500MB)... What can be the cause? |
| 05:03.50 | beardy | yos87: Are you trying to change the resolution you have in X? |
| 05:04.36 | flowtron | ruser : according to a page I just found : firefox -safe-mode .... |
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| 05:04.55 | yos87 | beardy: yea |
| 05:04.58 | SperMite | felipe_br well see the thing is i've been having problems with a game i installed with cedega, " GTA-VC" and i load the game up and it runs fine but theres no audio,. so i go into options and then look under audio and it says " No audio hardware found " i search around and they said change the sound device to oss, so thats what i was going to do |
| 05:05.04 | yos87 | beardy: But what is X |
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| 05:05.20 | ruser | flowtron how do you pass url to it? doesn't work for me |
| 05:05.28 | yos87 | beardy: I'm new on debian |
| 05:05.38 | beardy | yos87: Have you logged in as root on a vt/on the console/at Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
| 05:05.39 | ruser | flowtron sorry didn't notice reply |
| 05:05.40 | beardy | !X |
| 05:05.41 | yos87 | beardy: just yesterday |
| 05:05.50 | konfuzed | hey there, i've been considering the idea of build your own gateway router appliances (mostly for my own use) with debian. i'd like the option to add a HD but other storage would do and to have the option to add wifi via mini-pci, pcmcia or usb . question being what are more current options than soekris engineering yet have a similar perspective on simple flexible design |
| 05:05.50 | flowtron | I want to get a (meaningful) traceback from gdb - so I want to compile the source in debug mode : g++ -g (and omit -O) doesn't seem to do it |
| 05:05.57 | flowtron | ruser : firefox www.google.com |
| 05:06.06 | yos87 | beardy: no, also I don't know vt/on |
| 05:06.09 | ruser | flowtron that last one didn't work |
| 05:06.18 | yos87 | beardy: sorry |
| 05:06.21 | ruser | flowtron compile with -ggdb |
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| 05:06.25 | yos87 | beardy: but how did you learn |
| 05:06.26 | konfuzed | obviously i want to ensure that it is fully debian compatible |
| 05:06.28 | flowtron | ruser : no? it did for me ... what about -safe-mode? |
| 05:06.52 | flowtron | ruser : ah - one good turn deserves another : ... I'll try that! |
| 05:06.53 | ruser | flowtron -safe-mode oworked |
| 05:06.53 | konfuzed | i have a hard time believing hardware manufacturers about their hardware |
| 05:07.41 | beardy | yang: Well, I meant a vt, "virtual terminal", or the console, or where you are if you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6. |
| 05:07.59 | beardy | yos87: Well, I meant a vt, "virtual terminal", or the console, or where you are if you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6. |
| 05:08.22 | JoJo51432 | can anyone give me a hint regarding how to install sarge on a 3ware raid setup? I want to boot from the raid5 array. Is there some little jig where I install a driver while installing the os? |
| 05:08.47 | felipe_br | alvar hmmm i guess grep-avail is not gonna work... just take a look at /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 05:09.17 | flowtron | ruser : sorry - but that didn't change a thing @ -ggdb |
| 05:09.19 | konfuzed | perhaps there is a particular channel for embedded debian or hardware freaks (the good kind) that use debian |
| 05:10.09 | beardy | yos87: Press Ctrl-Alt-F1, then login as root, then run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to change the resolution in X, X is the X Window System, the graphical user interface. |
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| 05:13.33 | SperMite | felipe_br i did what you said and extracted the 2.6.8 into the /usr/src and it gave me the exact error |
| 05:13.35 | odla | where do i file a request for a wishlist package |
| 05:14.01 | ruser | flowtron mm seems like web-developer extensions is only part of the prblem still have troubles with *** Failed to load overlay chrome://dta/content/browserOverlay.xul |
| 05:14.26 | felipe_br | SperMite did you try modprobe snd-pcm-oss ? |
| 05:14.30 | ruser | flowtron would you happen to know which other extension might it be? |
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| 05:14.40 | felipe_br | SperMite what you need is /dev/dsp isnt it? |
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| 05:15.16 | SperMite | yes |
| 05:15.29 | felipe_br | well snd-pcm-oss should do it |
| 05:16.12 | flowtron | ruser : no, I only had probs with the web-developer extension, but I ain't got many anyway ... |
| 05:16.24 | yos87 | beardy: There is terminal, it's command line, |
| 05:16.27 | pirunguix | I don't know the problem with my shell script, someone can help me? |
| 05:16.34 | SperMite | whats the command again for removing a full dir? |
| 05:16.58 | yos87 | beardy: but where i have to click ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 05:16.58 | CyBeRhOoOd | rm -R |
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| 05:17.12 | flowtron | according to gcc.gnu.org an approach to getting debug-info is to use '-g3 -O0' flags ... even that doesn't change my traceback .... HELP! :-/ |
| 05:17.18 | konfuzed | any suggestions for single board systems to run debian firewall/gateway routers |
| 05:17.36 | felipe_br | do you guys collect stupid questions somewhere? |
| 05:17.44 | gravity | felipe_br: Yeah, in the bot |
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| 05:18.53 | benjamindees | !stupid question |
| 05:18.54 | dpkg | There're no stupid questions, but a lot of inquisitive idiots. |
| 05:19.08 | WALoeIII | How do I get my packages to pass GPG inspection (and how did they start being checked?) It seems every mirror I try doesn't have they keys |
| 05:19.20 | felipe_br | yes dpkg sorry for my stupid behaviour |
| 05:19.27 | yos87 | benjamindees: is it for me? |
| 05:19.31 | konfuzed | oh good im safe |
| 05:19.36 | felipe_br | yos87 no man |
| 05:19.42 | ruser | flowtron do you reload gdb with new binary? :) |
| 05:19.44 | felipe_br | yos87 I asked |
| 05:19.56 | yos87 | ok |
| 05:20.17 | yos87 | beardy: are you here |
| 05:20.20 | felipe_br | yos87 you still dont have root shell? |
| 05:20.20 | flowtron | ruser : yeah. course! |
| 05:20.36 | ruser | yos87 you don't click it.. you hold all the keys at the same time. |
| 05:20.40 | flowtron | ruser : just found some stuff that might help - it goes into .gdbint ... lemme check |
| 05:21.12 | yos87 | felipe_be: beardy say click ctrl-alt-f1 , and logon as root, but when I click, nothing appear |
| 05:21.13 | felipe_br | yos87 remember, when you want to come back to graphics mode, type CTRL+ALT+F7 (or go trying Fn until you come back) |
| 05:21.44 | felipe_br | yos87 do as ruser said, you dont' click it, you are gonna type it in the keyboard |
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| 05:22.07 | ruser | flowtron nah. that's just customises the gdb |
| 05:22.16 | ruser | flowtron do you atleast see symbols? |
| 05:22.19 | beardy | yos87: Do as we tell you, and drop your mouse and look at your keyboard. |
| 05:22.44 | felipe_br | yos87 when you type CTRL+ALT+F1, you go to text console. Use CTRL+ALT+F7 to go back to graphics |
| 05:23.15 | yos87 | HEHE, I have to stick on it |
| 05:23.19 | yos87 | no body tell me that |
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| 05:23.26 | yos87 | I login as root, |
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| 05:25.08 | flowtron | ruser : this isn't natural - nothing seems to affect the "bt" |
| 05:25.09 | flowtron | ruser : I don't even know HOW it should look, but as it is, it isn't very informative |
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| 05:25.13 | ke6isf | dpkg is not doing very well tonight. |
| 05:25.14 | zuhause01 | hello.i have a root partitioon with about 150GB, the thing is i cannot move data on a grafical basis from for example the home folder to the root folder, did i make a mistake by making the root part. that big, if not how can i salve my prob. |
| 05:25.50 | flowtron | zuhause01 : your user (logged into X) doesn't have permission to write on / |
| 05:25.54 | ruser | zuhause01 use parted |
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| 05:26.29 | ruser | flowtron pasbin the bt? |
| 05:26.29 | flowtron | ruser : I see a couple of lines like "#2 0x080582ad in ?? ()" |
| 05:26.32 | zuhause01 | yes |
| 05:26.33 | benjamindees | zuhause01, you cannot login? |
| 05:26.53 | zuhause01 | yes |
| 05:27.03 | ruser | flowtron try where full |
| 05:27.07 | flowtron | ruser : the best one is "#3 0x403b7974 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6" |
| 05:27.23 | ruser | flowtron ah.. right try compiling with -static as well |
| 05:27.26 | flowtron | ruser come again "try where full"?? |
| 05:27.32 | flowtron | ahhh |
| 05:27.35 | ruser | flowtron in gdb. `where full` |
| 05:27.51 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 05:27.51 | dpkg | Since Fri Jan 27 20:28:34 2006, there have been 34 modifications, 1838 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 612 commands. I have been awake for 4d 8h 59m 17s this session, and currently reference 32102 factoids. I'm using about 15460 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 765.71/48.77 child 0/0 |
| 05:28.03 | ruser | flowtron you are not seeing symbols because not static.. plus there used to be a option to show a source display... |
| 05:28.10 | ruser | mmm, at some point of time i horribly borked my sarge distro.. apparently my sources had installed some libs from etch. so now i wanna actaully update to etch to resolve problems. however i get: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-6) but 2.3.5-8 is installed . i get this when i try dist-upgrade as suggested by /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 05:29.24 | flowtron | ruser : sorry. I get a lot of errors if I add "-static" as a flag to gcc ... |
| 05:30.00 | yos87 | felipe_br: I reconfigure xserver-xfree98 |
| 05:30.04 | ruser | flowtron what kind of errors? imo you will not be able to see debug symbols when it isn't static. btw, is it cpp or c? |
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| 05:30.59 | flowtron | ruser : Makefile calls g++ ... so it's cpp I guess ... but I'm just getting into this whole project |
| 05:31.14 | ruser | flowtron then dont' use gcc :) |
| 05:31.18 | SperMite | felipe_br you probably don't mess with cedega do you? |
| 05:31.42 | flowtron | ruser @ errors : stuff like " |
| 05:31.46 | flowtron | " |
| 05:32.56 | flowtron | : undefined reference to `ov_time_seek' |
| 05:33.29 | flowtron | ruser : sorry : /usr/lib/libSDL_mixer.a(music_ogg.o)(.text+0x59e): In function `OGG_jump_to_time':: undefined reference to `ov_time_seek' |
| 05:33.56 | flowtron | ruser : how "don't use gcc" ... what else is there :) |
| 05:34.13 | ruser | flowtron mmm, are you tyring to link things before stuff is compiled? g++ for cpp stuff? |
| 05:34.30 | flowtron | ruser : no idea man |
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| 05:34.45 | Xenguy | Use gcc :P |
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| 05:36.01 | dusk | do i have to restart x? |
| 05:36.17 | sts9_ | Im getting a wierd line in my /var/log/messages. Google inst that much help, but it looks suspicious here it is : |
| 05:36.34 | sts9_ | flow-capture[2446]: chdir(/var/flow/myrouter): No such file or directory |
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| 05:39.26 | Chiko_Medina | any program for call a number telephonic ? |
| 05:39.45 | pirunguix | try skype |
| 05:39.52 | Chiko_Medina | no voip |
| 05:40.13 | Chiko_Medina | call use modem |
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| 05:40.35 | deadcat | asterisk? |
| 05:40.52 | konfuzed | im curious if this would be considered truthful enough to represent as debian; |
| 05:40.53 | konfuzed | Unlike Ubuntu or Kubuntu (other popular Debian derivatives), Groovix software maintains 100% compatibility with Debian sources. |
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| 05:41.50 | SperMite | any cedega users in here? |
| 05:42.03 | deadcat | SperMite: yes that shit sucks |
| 05:42.06 | Chiko_Medina | other ? |
| 05:42.11 | gravity | konfuzed: I doubt it |
| 05:42.26 | SperMite | deadcat lol you arent lying about that |
| 05:42.38 | SperMite | deadcat is there anything better? |
| 05:42.49 | gravity | If it was 100% Debian, it wouldn't be named Groovix. |
| 05:42.57 | benjamindees | Chiko_Medina, minicom |
| 05:43.13 | deadcat | SperMite: nope. cant get counter-strike to work on anything. i got it working with winex3 like a year ago. and i figure cedega would be easier.. fuck that shit. |
| 05:43.24 | ruser | mmm, at some point of time i horribly borked my sarge distro.. apparently my sources had installed some libs from etch. so now i wanna actaully update to etch to resolve problems. however i get: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.5-6) but 2.3.5-8 is installed . i get this when i try dist-upgrade as suggested by /msg dpkg sarge->etch (sorry about repeat, hopefully noone is annoyed) |
| 05:43.45 | kevix | gravity: I see the XSF has been busy! keep up the good work! |
| 05:43.56 | benjamindees | ruser, you're screwed; I almost told you that earlier... |
| 05:44.03 | gravity | kevix: Thanks :-) |
| 05:44.11 | ruser | benjamindees sorry, did you reply to me? i missed it |
| 05:44.21 | benjamindees | ruser, get a rescue cd and see if you can downgrade glibc |
| 05:44.25 | SperMite | deadcat i got steam working with cedega and could play DOD and css but that was with 4.2.2 this new cedega really sucks ass |
| 05:44.40 | ruser | benjamindees what if i want to upgrade everything? |
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| 05:44.50 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 05:44.53 | deadcat | SperMite: damn. i just want cs 1 (= |
| 05:45.15 | quik__ | how do I reset my display? as in run the config for my monitor/video card adapter? |
| 05:45.20 | ruser | benjamindees cause downgrade isn't quite a option with borked version... so my sarge is broken that's for sure. but i was hoping i could upgrdae everything to the latest version? |
| 05:45.23 | benjamindees | ruser, I assume you'll be able to when you have the the right version of glibc |
| 05:45.38 | ruser | !drxx quik__ |
| 05:45.38 | SperMite | deadcat im just installed GTA-VC but it doesnt have no sound |
| 05:45.38 | dpkg | quik__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:45.55 | deadcat | SperMite: let me show you how cs looks like here. |
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| 05:46.06 | kevix | ruser: have you been using apt-get or aptitude. I'd try aptitude. |
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| 05:46.28 | deadcat | SperMite: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/misc/cstrike/xwd_20060117_21531.png i can only play with software driver. which is useless |
| 05:46.39 | ruser | kevix why are you asking? i have both installed. did you notice the part about apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 05:47.34 | benjamindees | ruser, well actually 2.3.5-8 is still there; can you install glibc-dev-2.3.5-8 manually? |
| 05:47.40 | SperMite | deadcat Wow that is pointless |
| 05:48.01 | ruser | benjamindees got link to the package? of that specific version? |
| 05:48.03 | deadcat | yeep. so fuck cedega. |
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| 05:48.28 | benjamindees | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.5-8_i386.deb |
| 05:48.56 | SperMite | deadcat lol love the female clerk falling |
| 05:49.01 | kevix | ruser: could you post the 'apt-get' and 'aptitude' output - either #flood or a web site |
| 05:49.17 | ruser | kevix apt-get with what options? |
| 05:49.21 | deadcat | SperMite: yeep. i laughed so hard i stomach hurts (= |
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| 05:49.32 | kevix | ruser: maybe apt-get -f install |
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| 05:49.45 | deadcat | SperMite: shes trying to grap on to something but theres NOTHING hahaha... |
| 05:49.47 | ruser | kevix that will try to install proper dev package and remove whole lot of other packages |
| 05:49.58 | deadcat | SperMite: and the guy was like "what just happened?" |
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| 05:50.51 | SperMite | deadcat lol man thats to funny |
| 05:50.51 | kevix | ruser: so use the -s optino |
| 05:51.04 | ruser | benjamindees thanks, i'll just wait maybe kevix will have something usefull to say |
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| 05:51.30 | Hackel | Is there a program like lsof to show which process is listening on a particular port? |
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| 05:51.43 | kevix | Hackel: netstat ? |
| 05:51.46 | deadcat | SperMite: you're going to hell for laughing at that (= |
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| 05:51.49 | ruser | kevix there you go: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Lifgnj54.html |
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| 05:52.08 | jrf | allo |
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| 05:52.18 | Hackel | kevix: Heh thanks didn't see -p option. |
| 05:52.21 | SperMite | deadcat oh no |
| 05:52.27 | SperMite | lol |
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| 05:53.06 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:53.21 | ISV-Kran | close the door please :p |
| 05:53.29 | ke6isf | Azar: It's like all of freenode just self-destructed or something. |
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| 05:53.39 | ke6isf | Seems that dpkg is back. |
| 05:53.52 | Azar | :) we are safe then |
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| 05:54.13 | ke6isf | dpkg is here to give the answers that we're too lazy to give. ALL HAIL DPKG. |
| 05:54.30 | Azar | !beer yourself dpkg |
| 05:54.45 | ke6isf | Almost. |
| 05:54.48 | ke6isf | !beer myself |
| 05:54.58 | jrf | heh |
| 05:54.58 | ootput | do any of you use replaygain for your flac files? |
| 05:55.10 | flowtron | !bee ke6isf |
| 05:55.13 | flowtron | !beer ke6isf |
| 05:55.18 | Azar | I use xmms.. |
| 05:55.20 | ootput | you're getting further and further away |
| 05:55.31 | ruser | kevix so? |
| 05:55.32 | ootput | farther |
| 05:55.34 | ootput | :/ |
| 05:56.08 | kevix | ruser: I looked at the output. if you did what it said, you get rid of many dev packages and one version of gcc. seems like no harm to the system and after that adding new packages should be easier as you HAVE less. |
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| 05:56.46 | ruser | kevix what about build essential and loop aes? i'm using that stuff, especially loop-aes like veryday :/ |
| 05:56.47 | kevix | ruser: could you provide an output for aptitude for comparison? |
| 05:56.55 | flowtron | !insult flowtron |
| 05:56.56 | Azar | after 57installs and configurations, I am finally feeling happy with my Sarge... simple programs that work and no bork |
| 05:56.56 | ruser | kevix with options? |
| 05:57.06 | Azar | flowtron: do not abuse the bot |
| 05:57.09 | ke6isf | !tell flowtron about msg the bot |
| 05:57.19 | ruser | kevix it also removes both g++ version i have |
| 05:57.29 | ruser | kevix besides i develop quite a bit on this box :) |
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| 05:58.11 | ke6isf | Azar: *fifty seven* installs? As in fifty six failed installs for some unknown reason, or 57 boxes upon which Sarge was installed? |
| 05:58.13 | kevix | ruser: aptitude -s dist-upgrade |
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| 05:58.40 | ruser | kevix it doesn't seem to be simulating it |
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| 05:58.59 | kevix | ruser: if you dont resolve the imbalance in your Debian system, what else could you do? |
| 05:59.18 | Azar | ke6isf: more or less some were gross mistakes by me , some made me feel something did not went right out of my fault trying to install configure in an erratic way |
| 05:59.26 | ruser | kevix i suppose. sorry i'm tired and not thinking straight :) |
| 05:59.49 | Azar | 3 of them because someone gained root and rm -rf ed system files |
| 06:00.18 | ke6isf | Azar: *wince* sucks to be you. I hope you're keeping backups. |
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| 06:00.39 | Azar | ke6isf: so far I do not have what to backup |
| 06:01.01 | Azar | ... I am still having more to learn |
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| 06:01.43 | King_Brad | how do i restart xserver-xfree86? |
| 06:01.50 | Azar | the first 10 installs were just because I was frustrated trying to understand how things work |
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| 06:01.55 | Gnea | King_Brad: how did you start it? |
| 06:01.56 | ruser | King_Brad ctrl+alt+BS |
| 06:01.57 | Azar | then I got addicted to that |
| 06:02.09 | Gnea | ruser: no, that only kills it |
| 06:02.10 | King_Brad | Gnea i dont know if its running |
| 06:02.28 | ruser | Gnea mm, on my machine it iwll automaticly get restarted |
| 06:02.31 | Gnea | King_Brad: ctrl-alt-f7 <-- does that give you a gui of any sort? |
| 06:02.42 | Gnea | ruser: that's because it's controlled via a DM |
| 06:02.47 | King_Brad | i dont have console access |
| 06:02.49 | King_Brad | only remote |
| 06:03.00 | Gnea | ruser: if you kill the DM and startx, it will outright kill and stop it dead in its tracks. |
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| 06:03.01 | rizal | hiii |
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| 06:03.28 | kevix | King_Brad: I do as root: /etc/init.d/[gkwx]dm restart |
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| 06:03.43 | King_Brad | -bash: /etc/init.d/[gkwx]dm: No such file or directory |
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| 06:03.55 | deadcat | kingsley: tahts wildcard |
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| 06:04.06 | Gnea | King_Brad: [dkwx] is a range of possibilities, the brackets are never actually used |
| 06:04.13 | King_Brad | o |
| 06:04.21 | Gnea | King_Brad: like kdm, gdm, xdm, etc... |
| 06:04.27 | kevix | King_Brad: I used regex so either choose gdm or xdm or kdm or wdm, if you use a display mananger |
| 06:04.47 | King_Brad | i think kdm |
| 06:04.50 | King_Brad | i installed kdebase |
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| 06:05.04 | Gnea | so try /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 06:05.10 | deadcat | SperMite: you like the humor section? |
| 06:05.16 | King_Brad | no such file or folder |
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| 06:05.25 | ruser | kevix hrm.. i reverted back my sources.list to sarge. looks like i'mgetting the latest sarge updates. |
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| 06:05.35 | kingsley | deadcat: "wildcard"? Perhaps I missed something while disconnected from freenode. Can you elaborate? |
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| 06:06.00 | ruser | kevix that looks good. and rather painless considering what could that have been |
| 06:06.11 | SperMite | UMM? i Just went on a search for my tooth brush and it was in the kittylitter box> you think some ones trying to symbolize my breath smellng like cat sht? |
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| 06:06.33 | SperMite | deadcat Yess. thats a nice lil webby you got going on you make it urself? |
| 06:06.38 | kevix | ruser: another disaster averted! go Debian! |
| 06:06.38 | deadcat | kingsley: damn. wrong dude. (= |
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| 06:06.58 | ruser | kevix but they really need downgrade mechanism :) |
| 06:07.04 | deadcat | SperMite: thats a gallery. not a website. no. its libapache-perl-gallery the best gallery ever |
| 06:07.26 | deadcat | SperMite: libapache-gallery-perl actually |
| 06:07.47 | kevix | ruser: what you did I wouln't have wanted to try on other distro x-) I dont think they PLAN for downgrades either. |
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| 06:08.10 | SperMite | deadcat you wanna see my beater gallery? |
| 06:08.24 | kingsley | Debian's weekly news says packages.debian.org has been down for weeks because of performance issues. Does anyone here happen to know what the performance issues are, specifically? |
| 06:08.37 | SperMite | deadcat not even a gallery |
| 06:08.38 | deadcat | SperMite: ya. love to see other people gallery |
| 06:08.41 | deadcat | or website |
| 06:08.55 | ruser | kevix yeah, good thing that i caught that error is sources earlier. and i tried fixing it by downgrading certain packages i had installed |
| 06:08.55 | SperMite | deadcat http://69.172.40.18:187/ |
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| 06:09.29 | SperMite | deadcat its just some arts i did when i was bored |
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| 06:09.34 | deadcat | SperMite: get a dyn hostname |
| 06:09.44 | ISV-Kran | one question |
| 06:09.53 | Supaplex | kingsley: read the p.d.o page top to bottom, you'll find the answer |
| 06:09.54 | deadcat | SperMite: damn. nice.. you made those? |
| 06:09.55 | ISV-Kran | APT is a Debian app? |
| 06:10.00 | Supaplex | ~apt |
| 06:10.02 | apt | apt is probably the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl |
| 06:10.09 | SperMite | deadcat yep |
| 06:10.14 | deadcat | SperMite: love it (= |
| 06:10.23 | deadcat | SD eh? |
| 06:10.46 | kevix | ISV-Kran: what made you think differently? |
| 06:11.18 | ISV-Kran | because rpm use it too |
| 06:11.21 | ruser | kevix i think i still should upgrade to etch... cause if i try installing extra packages... i get broken packages iwht unmet dependencies |
| 06:11.56 | kevix | ruser: my suggestion: always use aptitude unless there are strange problems. |
| 06:12.24 | ruser | kevix i'm horribly inefficient using aptitude. too complicated :) |
| 06:12.34 | kevix | ISV-Kran: some of the RPM based distro's got envious of the press that 'apt-get' was getting and they added it! |
| 06:12.58 | ISV-Kran | ok, now I understand |
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| 06:13.13 | ISV-Kran | thanx kevix |
| 06:13.25 | flowtron | ruser thanks again for your help, I guess it's still beyond me - but "live and learn", eh !?! |
| 06:13.30 | kevix | ruser: well it takes a bit to learn, but you can always use the command line version. |
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| 06:13.37 | deadcat | SperMite: you should definately think about designing the linux picnic tshirt which will be held in sunnyvale,ca,us this august. last year's design SUCK!. linuxpicnic.org |
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| 06:14.54 | kingsley | Supaplex: OK. Thanks. |
| 06:15.22 | Canadian | anyon have trouble with routing addresses in exim? |
| 06:15.23 | Supaplex | np |
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| 06:15.38 | SperMite | deadcat hmmm i just might |
| 06:16.05 | kevix | Canadian: if someone said 'yes' or 'no' would that help you fix your problem. just ask your question. |
| 06:16.10 | deadcat | SperMite: I need a nice tshirt (= |
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| 06:16.55 | SperMite | deadcat so i make the design that make the t-shirt |
| 06:16.59 | SperMite | they* |
| 06:17.00 | konfuzed | Canadian: its just prefered to be blunt then nice and sweet is a perk |
| 06:17.14 | deadcat | SperMite: ya. just email them the logo. |
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| 06:17.57 | deadcat | SperMite: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20050814.linux.picnic14/20050814_canonS230_2095.jpg 2005 )= i told them how i feel and they said be nice.. (= |
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| 06:18.53 | deadcat | SperMite: 2004 is black with simple PICNIX 13, which is pretty nice |
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| 06:19.08 | omry | nvidia |
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| 06:20.27 | SperMite | The requested URL /logocontest/ was not found on this server. i cant view the logos |
| 06:20.38 | ruser | kevix thanks for your help |
| 06:21.05 | kevix | ruser: no prob. just watch the source list! hehe |
| 06:21.22 | deadcat | SperMite: let me check. maybe they took it off. because it wont be till aug |
| 06:22.02 | konfuzed | Canadians are so politely courteous they cant just blurt out a question. they wont even leave to the bathroom during a boring speach |
| 06:22.08 | benjamindees | does firefox in testing have kde file dialogs? |
| 06:22.09 | kevix | deadcat: that's the best they came up with a penguin in a spread-eagle ? |
| 06:22.28 | King_Brad | i forgot to install xfonts-base, thats where i screwed up |
| 06:22.29 | King_Brad | oops |
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| 06:22.32 | konfuzed | they'll dance and bob up and down but wont excuse them selves to the looo |
| 06:22.33 | deadcat | kevix: ya. i got real mad. and said i will kick that girl's ass |
| 06:22.34 | King_Brad | thx for help tho guys |
| 06:23.15 | kevix | deadcat: did said girl actually use linux? |
| 06:23.24 | deadcat | kevix: she designed that shit |
| 06:23.54 | kevix | deadcat: what I mean: was she a linux chix? |
| 06:24.02 | deadcat | SperMite: damn.. i guess you'll have to wait fe months |
| 06:24.20 | SperMite | deadcat yep =( |
| 06:24.31 | deadcat | kevix: i dont know. but it was a female who designed that logo |
| 06:24.44 | deadcat | SperMite: you better make it look good (= and win!! hehe |
| 06:25.26 | SperMite | deadcat well i got plently of time to practice |
| 06:26.02 | konfuzed | i wonder, if a linux programmer chick could be auction off for mariage, how much would that auction raise ? |
| 06:26.26 | deadcat | SperMite: hehe |
| 06:26.35 | Dewi | konfuzed: hmm |
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| 06:28.57 | konfuzed | i qould be sure to settle for the first chick that can even speak geek. |
| 06:29.28 | konfuzed | at least for a year or two, maybe three or four if she wasnt biatch |
| 06:29.43 | Phated | I'm a chick. I compile kernels and have done so for fun. I code in java, although poorly. I also happen to be Asian and attractive. What's your point? :) |
| 06:30.01 | konfuzed | but a programmer - look out ;^) |
| 06:30.15 | Phated | Again, what's your point? |
| 06:30.21 | jimb0 | you're full of shit |
| 06:30.25 | Phated | Hey deadcat. Got new wallpapers for me? |
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| 06:30.29 | konfuzed | Phated: you are a rare breed |
| 06:30.29 | jimb0 | anyone who claims to be an attractive girl on the net is lying |
| 06:30.34 | benjamindees | now now, be nice |
| 06:30.37 | Phated | jimb0: Ehm, who? Everything I said was true. |
| 06:30.40 | jimb0 | because those girls dont want you to know they are an attractive girl |
| 06:30.44 | Phated | konfuzed: Untrue. |
| 06:30.48 | jimb0 | because they've had enough stalking |
| 06:30.52 | jimb0 | and dont want any more |
| 06:30.55 | Phated | Hahahaha. Reverse-reverse psych! \o/ |
| 06:31.03 | jimb0 | ? |
| 06:31.08 | konfuzed | Phated: a truly rare breed |
| 06:31.29 | kevix | jimb0: on the net, you are say you are until proven other wise. |
| 06:31.30 | jimb0 | kon: never gonna get it, even though its NOT a hot asian chick |
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| 06:31.45 | Phated | See, by claiming to be an attractive girl, and BEING an attractive girl, people automatically go "OHMYGOD NO wait a chix0r must be LYING!" and thus NOT stalk you. |
| 06:31.54 | jimb0 | uhm no |
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| 06:32.01 | Phated | Heya, deadcat. Got any shiny new wallpapers for me? |
| 06:32.06 | jimb0 | by claiming to be an attractive girl you want special treatment |
| 06:32.08 | konfuzed | jimb0: my daughter is 4 years and 9 months - she started helping fix and build systems when she was two |
| 06:32.21 | konfuzed | edubuntu is her favourite distrobution ;^) |
| 06:32.23 | kevix | jimb0: exactly what does it get you by bad mouthing anyone here. |
| 06:32.36 | benjamindees | konfuzed, and you're already thinking of auctioning her off... |
| 06:32.44 | jimb0 | kevin: you're never going to get it either |
| 06:32.51 | jimb0 | kon: does she have any pics? |
| 06:33.06 | jimb0 | kevix* |
| 06:33.07 | Phated | jimb0: You see, you don't actually -know- me. I actually -am- a female. Attractive is another issue, although I've been told I'm not half bad - but you're just paranoid and really, YHBT by a chick. Haha. |
| 06:33.09 | deadcat | Phated: ya. i only use those... |
| 06:33.16 | konfuzed | on the contrary I have those iron locked panties sitting here for when shes a teanager ;^) |
| 06:33.17 | Phated | deadcat: Gimme gimme :) |
| 06:33.18 | SperMite | Im off to bed Night all.! |
| 06:33.24 | deadcat | Phated: glad you like those demos |
| 06:33.26 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 06:33.26 | kevix | jimb0: what? people getting annoyed at me? |
| 06:33.39 | Phated | deadcat: I loved the vids! |
| 06:33.43 | jimb0 | you obviously dont get pop culture references. |
| 06:33.47 | jimb0 | :/ |
| 06:34.05 | Phated | 3ddesktop++ - I gotta get Xorg on the iBook... maaaaybe :) |
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| 06:34.29 | dominicano | !seen dvm |
| 06:34.29 | dpkg | dvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 12h 54m 30s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 06:34.29 | konfuzed | her mother is a natural bueaty but hates my speaking of computers or internet in any form and hates my workign from home |
| 06:34.31 | jimb0 | hey everybody im a hot female, give me special treatment |
| 06:34.44 | allison | jimb0: That makes two of us |
| 06:34.47 | Phated | Doesn't work with a nick like jimb0. |
| 06:34.52 | Gnea | konfuzed: what? |
| 06:34.53 | dominicano | !seen dvm1991 |
| 06:34.54 | dpkg | dominicano: i haven't seen 'dvm1991' |
| 06:34.55 | jimb0 | yeah i know |
| 06:34.59 | Phated | See, now, everyone thinks you're butch. |
| 06:34.59 | jimb0 | but it illustrates my point |
| 06:35.01 | konfuzed | seriously |
| 06:35.02 | Phated | Which is hot, y'know. |
| 06:35.06 | deadcat | Phated: the ibook one was done in the school lib. (=.. if you can glxgears, you got to install the program... its just fun to look at |
| 06:35.14 | Gnea | konfuzed: why, because now she can't cheat? |
| 06:35.16 | Phated | deadcat: glxgears? |
| 06:35.27 | deadcat | Phated: it requires you have opengl |
| 06:35.30 | konfuzed | girls on msn dont count as geeks |
| 06:35.36 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 06:35.36 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 7h 12m 14s ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
| 06:35.38 | Phated | deadcat: Please, remember I'm still on *whisper* OSX, but I'm fairly sure I have OpenGL. |
| 06:35.57 | Phated | jimb0: It doesn't illustrate anything. I'm looking down, and I see two breasts and no penis. |
| 06:36.01 | jimb0 | if i were a hot asian girl, you can bet i'd major in computer science |
| 06:36.07 | Gnea | konfuzed: please, shut up and stop fucking things up for the rest of us |
| 06:36.12 | allison | I am having locale trouble. my /etc/environment file has the correct variables in it, but they aren't making it into my actual environment... what can I do about this? |
| 06:36.21 | deadcat | Phated: i meant your desktop machine |
| 06:36.22 | jimb0 | i'd have desperate nerds lining up to write my programs for me |
| 06:36.27 | kevix | Phated: OSX is bsd-based. so you could get lots of stuff. |
| 06:36.29 | Phated | deadcat: Ah-Hah, yes, I have to, yeah. |
| 06:36.38 | Phated | kevix: I do get lots of stuff. I have apt-get ;) |
| 06:36.43 | Gnea | allison: add the following to ~/.bashrc : . /etc/environment |
| 06:36.59 | allison | Gnea - Gah! |
| 06:37.01 | deadcat | Phated: and osx has expose, thats fancy stuff. (= |
| 06:37.08 | jm_ | allison: sfix your PAM configuration |
| 06:37.12 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah, I'll try 3ddesktop out on my desktop sometime - I need to get nvidia back, though, it cocked up with the recent xorg upgrade. |
| 06:37.18 | Phated | deadcat: Haha, I love expose :) |
| 06:37.23 | kevix | allison: add then to .bashrc ? |
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| 06:37.35 | Gnea | allison: s'ok, everyone does that now and then ;) |
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| 06:37.48 | deadcat | Phated: i wish linux have that too. thats the only thing i want from osx. |
| 06:37.49 | Phated | Hrm, doesn't .bashrc override environment anyway? :) |
| 06:37.50 | allison | jm_: how the hell did I manage to break PAM? |
| 06:38.03 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Skippy. Google on it. |
| 06:38.10 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah, the Novell Linux Desktop 10.0 has it - I saw a beta. It looks a hell of a lot like OSX. |
| 06:38.16 | kevix | deadcat: apt-get install skippy |
| 06:38.20 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: that is one shitfuckasscocksucker software.. FUCK... |
| 06:38.21 | Gnea | Phated: not if it's at the end :) |
| 06:38.36 | Phated | Jesus, man. We can hear the apoplexy from here. :) |
| 06:38.36 | peterS | Gnea: not if what is at the end? your statement doesn't quite make sense |
| 06:38.37 | deadcat | kevix: i hate skippy as much as the fucking person who designed taht tshirt |
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| 06:38.42 | Phated | Gnea: What at the end? |
| 06:38.49 | Phated | .o/ peterS |
| 06:39.02 | Gnea | oh, you weren't paying attention? |
| 06:39.05 | Phated | Oh, not if /etc/environmentis at the end of bashrc. |
| 06:39.12 | Phated | ENOCONTEXT :P |
| 06:39.15 | Gnea | . /etc/environment <--- THAT, at the end (or bottom) of ~/.bashrc |
| 06:39.18 | peterS | you can't really "source /etc/environment" from bashrc anyway |
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| 06:39.31 | Phated | Yeah, yeah, if you source something, that has nothing to do with overriding it then :P |
| 06:39.37 | peterS | well, you can, but it won't really have the effect you want |
| 06:39.40 | Gnea | peterS: i demand that you surrender your crackpipe. |
| 06:39.49 | Phated | Oh dear. I smell a flame. |
| 06:39.54 | peterS | your crackpipe back, Gnea. I forgot I'd borrowed it |
| 06:40.01 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 06:40.02 | Supaplex | ehehaa |
| 06:40.26 | Gnea | Phated: you're too easily riled up :) |
| 06:40.33 | konfuzed | Gnea: which part is fucking things up for the rest? |
| 06:40.35 | jm_ | allison: how the hell do you expect me to know that? :) |
| 06:40.36 | deadcat | Phated: haha. |
| 06:40.47 | shizam | i am trying to install debian but i have 3ware sata card with 2 raid drives and it not finding a partitionable drive |
| 06:40.50 | Phated | Gnea: I'm a UNSTABLE FEMALE! |
| 06:41.18 | jm_ | shizam: try installer with updated kernel |
| 06:41.19 | peterS | Phated: dude try experimental, then he'll really start to wonder about you |
| 06:41.23 | deadcat | Phated: i wish i have a 30" dell or the apple 30".. i will take the 24 or 23" too.. 2x17" is not that cool.. i want a hughjazz mon |
| 06:41.30 | jm_ | shizam: did you boot with 2.6 kernel first? |
| 06:41.30 | allison | jm_: Let's rephrase. What would be broken about PAM that would keep /etc/environment from being sourced? |
| 06:41.51 | jm_ | allison: if it doesn't mention pam_env module for example |
| 06:41.54 | Gnea | Phated: oh i know, that's one thing i like about you :) |
| 06:41.55 | ISV-Kran | one question |
| 06:41.56 | deadcat | Phated: unstable female? sidney? (= |
| 06:42.00 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah, dual Apple Cinema. |
| 06:42.08 | Phated | gnDahling. |
| 06:42.15 | Phated | peterS: Hahah. |
| 06:42.16 | deadcat | Phated: killer (=.. one for movie one for everything else. |
| 06:42.20 | soup | how do you get dpkg to work on a chroot setup? |
| 06:42.21 | shizam | yeah it 2.6 kernel |
| 06:42.23 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah. |
| 06:42.24 | benjamindees | shizam, have you tried the custom sarge .iso from 3ware ? |
| 06:42.33 | jm_ | then try the one with updated kernel |
| 06:42.39 | ISV-Kran | what difference is -->2.4.27-2-686 between 2.4.27-2-i386 ? |
| 06:42.40 | Gnea | konfuzed: it's mostly offtopic |
| 06:42.40 | shizam | where can u get that benjamidees |
| 06:42.51 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 06:42.51 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 06:43.09 | benjamindees | http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=14860 |
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| 06:43.19 | Gnea | ISV-Kran: 686 is optimized for 686-based CPU's, except for AMD |
| 06:43.22 | Phated | fhffhqvb: Hahah. |
| 06:43.27 | beardy | ISV-Kran: On which processors they run. |
| 06:43.34 | ISV-Kran | thanx Gnea |
| 06:43.39 | konfuzed | Phated: Unstable Female eh |
| 06:43.46 | ISV-Kran | I run p4 beardy |
| 06:43.47 | konfuzed | Phated: compared to what |
| 06:43.55 | peterS | jm_: there's a lot of confusion about whether pam_env should be called as an auth module or a session module. session makes sense to me but auth is what the upstream author originally talked about in context of writing pam_env |
| 06:43.55 | kevix | ISV-Kran: -686 is for a 686 and -386 is for any thing 386 or better |
| 06:43.56 | shizam | benjamindees> if my 3ware is 9500s and 9500sx |
| 06:44.00 | deadcat | konfuzed: compared to sid |
| 06:44.01 | shizam | will tha tbe problem if use that iso |
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| 06:44.23 | Phated | konfuzed: You rock-solid men, of course. |
| 06:44.35 | benjamindees | shizam, I really don't know; I haven't used it |
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| 06:44.47 | ISV-Kran | for a p4 what do you recommend guys? |
| 06:44.49 | konfuzed | Phated: oh no you must have me KonfuZeD with someone else |
| 06:44.53 | deadcat | Phated: i want 2 of these mon: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2006/20060113.mac.world.expo/20060113_canonS230_2483.jpg |
| 06:44.54 | Gnea | ISV-Kran: 686 |
| 06:45.00 | ISV-Kran | perfect |
| 06:45.03 | Phated | konfuzed: Hahaha. |
| 06:45.21 | Phated | deadcat: Oooh, baby *oompf* |
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| 06:45.40 | allison | jm_: I have "auth required pam_env.so" in /etc/pam.d/login... |
| 06:45.48 | konfuzed | no one thats the volume of chocolate I do can be considered stable |
| 06:46.01 | deadcat | Phated: too bad i dont know anyone whos willing to donate (= |
| 06:46.03 | konfuzed | erh that eats the volume etc......... |
| 06:46.10 | jm_ | peterS: yes, that's a "bit" strange |
| 06:46.23 | jm_ | allison: and how are you logging in? |
| 06:46.56 | peterS | allison: that's supposed to work, but try adding 'session required pam_env.so' as well. which one is actually correct is something I've never been sure of |
| 06:47.11 | Gnea | kevix: but my AMD Sempron is an i686, but a 686 won't work on it, that would require a k7 |
| 06:47.18 | allison | I'm on an ssh terminal at the moment - the line is present in both files |
| 06:47.25 | allison | peterS - I'll try that |
| 06:47.33 | jm_ | ssh doesn't use login by default |
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| 06:48.07 | peterS | right, nor does it use /etc/pam.d/ssh unless you have UsePAM yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:48.20 | peterS | that is, however, the debian default, iirc |
| 06:48.43 | jm_ | yup |
| 06:49.01 | allison | Oh good god, I think I know what I did. I set UsePAM No in the SSH config. Of course that would cause /etc/environment not to be sourced. |
| 06:49.09 | shizam | benjamindees i just realized i am idiot and i wasnt using 2.6 kernel |
| 06:49.11 | allison | I'm an idiot, thanks. |
| 06:49.14 | shizam | what link to download the 2.6 kernel |
| 06:49.31 | peterS | allison: well, it's only "of course" once you realise that it is pam that reads that file. I mean, that's not obvious unless you know the system architecture pretty well |
| 06:49.37 | konfuzed | who typed idiot first? |
| 06:49.57 | Gnea | allison: welcome to the club |
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| 06:50.31 | allison | peterS: Yeah, I need to do some serious reading on PAM. |
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| 06:51.12 | deadcat | if this is your first night.. you have to fight! |
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| 06:51.26 | kevix | shizam: what was your problem again. I recall reading something on debian-user about sata. |
| 06:51.29 | antoro | hello I wanna ask about connecting my network to multiple ISP.. I've tried LARTC but still failed.. |
| 06:51.34 | peterS | deadcat: you don't talk about the #debian |
| 06:51.34 | deadcat | already? |
| 06:51.38 | allison | :P |
| 06:51.39 | benjamindees | shizam, you can install using 2.6 by putting linux26 on the boot line; someone posted a link to a newer version though |
| 06:51.44 | konfuzed | Phated: you and all the other nerd chicks should know that your geek mind is far more important to those apparently hard up nerds that supposedly cant get any. |
| 06:51.45 | deadcat | peterS: oops. (= |
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| 06:52.13 | Phated | konfuzed: Eh? |
| 06:52.19 | konfuzed | They may not know it until they actually get a girl some how but that actually has no computer brain what so ever |
| 06:52.37 | shizam | i have 2sata drives raided on 3ware 9500s sata card so when i try install it says no partionable media found |
| 06:52.37 | peterS | konfuzed: uh, if I were you I'd give it a rest |
| 06:52.37 | Gnea | !troll konfuzed |
| 06:52.41 | Phated | Yeah, really, no matter how much you worship me. |
| 06:52.55 | Gnea | konfuzed: i told you. |
| 06:52.59 | dondelelcaro | shizam: use install26 and load the proper driver |
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| 06:53.05 | konfuzed | I hate this stupid perception that nerds keep commenting about ah you ve never seen a girl and thats it |
| 06:53.09 | peterS | konfuzed: not everything concerning a female in a debian irc channel is about sex roles or dating |
| 06:53.09 | shizam | ok now were using 2.6 kernel |
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| 06:53.12 | kevix | shizam: look at : http://wiki.foosel.net/linux/t43 |
| 06:53.18 | Gnea | konfuzed: then ignore it and move on. |
| 06:53.20 | konfuzed | no dating here I assure |
| 06:53.25 | romulo | hi i installed debian on my notebook(64 bits) and then installed windows, now i cant boot debina cause of mbr, how i can restore it? |
| 06:53.33 | konfuzed | the gap of an ocean is sufficient there |
| 06:53.36 | zebalin7 | What is the repos that have the ms fonts and acrobat reader? |
| 06:54.04 | dondelelcaro | zebalin7: none of them have it, because those are illegal for Debian to distribute. |
| 06:54.04 | Gnea | !info acroread |
| 06:54.15 | dondelelcaro | zebalin7: we have installers for them, but not the packages themselves. |
| 06:54.19 | Gnea | Package 'acroread' does not exist. |
| 06:54.21 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:54.25 | konfuzed | I can see why geeky chicks would think nerd guys only what their sex but that is what too immature than the truth that is all |
| 06:54.25 | peterS | konfuzed: I'm just sayin', if I were a woman in here I'd get a little tired of the idea that the only things people can say to or about me are related to me and men |
| 06:54.27 | konfuzed | im done now |
| 06:54.51 | zebalin7 | dondelelcaro: they are in the marliiate (or something like that) repo (acroread is). Not sure where ms fonts is hidden. |
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| 06:55.06 | CaT[tm] | where can I find the possible list of statuses for --set-selections? |
| 06:55.06 | kevix | romulo: use a livecd and chroot to the partition and rerun lilo |
| 06:55.11 | dondelelcaro | zebalin7: could be, google will clue you into the other repositories. |
| 06:55.17 | ruser | romulo boot form licecd, and fix mbr |
| 06:55.19 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: dpkg --get-selections; will give you an idea. |
| 06:55.36 | CaT[tm] | dond: aye. it says 'installed' for all of them. I'm sure there's more :/ |
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| 06:55.59 | ISV-Kran | grub or lilo? I use Grub because Sarge give me the option during the install, but I never use lilo |
| 06:56.00 | konfuzed | peterS: one of the downsides of narrow topics is that there is little room for much else |
| 06:56.03 | shizam | you guys are my heros |
| 06:56.05 | zebalin7 | I've got them in a source.lst on another partition. Just too lazy to get it... thought someone here might know. I really need the msfont deb. |
| 06:56.07 | kevix | CaT[tm]: dpkg -l |
| 06:56.07 | shizam | it worked thanks a lot |
| 06:56.17 | beardy | ISV-Kran: It let's you choose. |
| 06:56.24 | romulo | ruser, thanks |
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| 06:56.51 | ISV-Kran | so if I never opt by grub...lilo wolud be installed? |
| 06:56.52 | peterS | zebalin7: you don't "really need" anything of the kind. if you want it badly enough, you know how to find out where to get it. look for something related to nerim.net |
| 06:56.53 | shizam | see you guys later |
| 06:56.54 | deadcat | can i make irssi beep or play a wav file when someone type my nick? |
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| 06:56.58 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: there are a few more, but generally those don't get set; see dpkg --get-selections|awk '{ print $2}'|sort |uniq |
| 06:57.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, you can. |
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| 06:57.18 | peterS | dondelelcaro: dude, sort -u is easier to type than sort|uniq |
| 06:57.22 | CaT[tm] | dond: yeah but I want to set them :/ |
| 06:57.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how to? |
| 06:57.40 | zebalin7 | YES., that was it (nerim.net). My mind is turning into green jell-o these days. Thanks. |
| 06:57.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: use an perl plugin to fork off and call mpg321 or something when it sees a message with your nick in it |
| 06:57.58 | peterS | mmmmm, jello |
| 06:57.58 | dondelelcaro | peterS: sure |
| 06:58.12 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but that would require me remembering a flag to sort that I never bother to use |
| 06:58.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i finally decided to backup my config files such as .conkyrc.hostname |
| 06:58.24 | kevix | zebalin7: its called msttcorefonts and its in 'contrib' |
| 06:58.25 | peterS | CaT[tm]: just get it declared non-free. that sort of thing is even apropos |
| 06:58.26 | beardy | CaT[tm]: So you can write a new one? |
| 06:58.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn. plugins.. forget it. |
| 06:58.47 | CaT[tm] | bardy: no. so that I can get a sense of satisfaction at having achieved something with it. |
| 06:58.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, it'd be a pretty simple plugin though... |
| 06:59.24 | CaT[tm] | I mean, what would've been so difficult about listing the possible statuses when talking about --set-selections? |
| 06:59.25 | dondelelcaro | peterS: there are at least 5 of me right now |
| 06:59.38 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so there were 6 before I shot that one down? |
| 06:59.45 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://gblrk.dvc.edu/~fa05a18/ <- 3ddesktop (= i finally use a script and cron to gen this stupid html. the instructor dont have php enabled and dir listing )= |
| 06:59.49 | dondelelcaro | peterS: dunno. |
| 06:59.52 | kevix | CaT[tm]: apt-get --set-selections |
| 06:59.57 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's an indeterminate number |
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| 07:00.13 | peterS | dondelelcaro: of course we could have another tour of the common channels, but I'm a bit tired right now |
| 07:00.15 | benjamindees | one of him is only half here |
| 07:00.21 | CaT[tm] | kevix: as I said previously I'm sure there's more then just the one status: installed. |
| 07:00.43 | dondelelcaro | actually, there are 6 of me. I forgot one of the networks that I'm on |
| 07:00.45 | flowtron | I'm (still) trying to compile some code with debugging symbols ... but anything I try still results in gdb telling me they're not there ... |
| 07:00.48 | kevix | CaT[tm]: uninstalled ? |
| 07:01.01 | CaT[tm] | kevix: dpkg: unknown wanted status at line 1: uninstalled |
| 07:01.06 | peterS | don_inlab: indeed |
| 07:01.17 | dondelelcaro | well, that's not really me. that's just a poor imposter. |
| 07:01.29 | peterS | oh, ok. |
| 07:01.55 | deadcat | am i the only one who wants this? http://david.chalkskeletons.com/openbox.html |
| 07:02.05 | beardy | !wayttd CaT[tm] |
| 07:02.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, CaT[tm]? |
| 07:02.27 | CaT[tm] | oh fsck. apologies all. just way too tired. it IS in man dpkg 8( |
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| 07:02.34 | Azar | ok this is magic |
| 07:02.38 | kevix | CaT[tm]: if you RTFM, it say: echo 'PKG STATE'|dpkg --set-selections |
| 07:02.48 | flowtron | what flags to I need to pass to g++ to get debugging symbols into the binary? |
| 07:02.52 | Azar | I have removed exim yet, I keep seeing the process running how is that? |
| 07:02.58 | CaT[tm] | kevix: I know that much. I just forgot what the exact name of STATE that I wanted was |
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| 07:03.02 | CaT[tm] | deinstall |
| 07:03.08 | jm_ | flowtron: -g, and make sure linker doesn't use -s |
| 07:03.32 | kevix | CaT[tm]: from the FM, it say: Ãnstall, hold, deinstall, purge |
| 07:03.36 | flowtron | aha. that's new @ -s to linker ... let's see if I can find anything like that |
| 07:03.54 | CaT[tm] | kevix: yeah. I just looked for 'installed' and found it. way too tired I am 8( |
| 07:04.17 | flowtron | jm_ : where would I disable a -s ... |
| 07:04.18 | kevix | CaT[tm]: accidents happen when tired. |
| 07:04.34 | jm_ | flowtron: I don't know, it depends on your build and if it's actually used at all |
| 07:04.55 | flowtron | jm_ : I can't see anything like that in the Makefile ... |
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| 07:05.52 | Azar | question: how come exim process can run when I removed exim? |
| 07:05.54 | ruser | what does this message mean? W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 07:05.56 | flowtron | jm_ : I've used -g, -g3 -O0 and even tried -static ... all do not result in debugging symbols being incorporated :( |
| 07:06.03 | ruser | flowtron wb :) |
| 07:06.06 | beardy | ruser: /topic |
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| 07:06.26 | romulo | EXT2-fs: hda3: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4). whats that? |
| 07:06.31 | flowtron | ruser : yeah. Haven't given up ... yet :) |
| 07:06.53 | kevix | ruser: apt-get now can check the signature of a Releases file. if your file is not signed, it warns you. |
| 07:06.55 | CaT[tm] | yaaay. thanks for putting up with me folks. manual swapping of exim4 packages from 4.50 and daemon-light to 4.60 and a custom one achieved. |
| 07:07.02 | ruser | kevix awesome! |
| 07:07.43 | Azar | plz help .. hel 0 discuss.. |
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| 07:07.57 | benjamindees | flowtron, what program is this? something of yours? a deb? |
| 07:07.57 | kevix | ruser: there is a new tool: apt-key to add valid signature for apt-get to check. |
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| 07:08.23 | Azar | exim.. |
| 07:08.45 | kevix | Azar: I'm heard of exim. do you have a question/ |
| 07:09.00 | dontupanic | Hi I am having a problem with the net installer it keeps loading 2.4 kernel |
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| 07:09.27 | flowtron | benjamindees : no, not really - it's a sourceforge project ... I'm MODding it already but the newest version has a strange error and I'm trying to help out |
| 07:09.53 | kevix | dontupanic: then choose another kernel. tab, tab when Linux: prompt comes up |
| 07:10.26 | dontupanic | ok thanks |
| 07:10.38 | Azar | yes kevix I have a question |
| 07:11.15 | kevix | Azar: the answer is ... 42! |
| 07:11.24 | Azar | question: how come exim process can run when I removed exim? |
| 07:11.37 | allison | Can anyone recommend a decent IMAP server to work with postfix? |
| 07:11.42 | jm_ | flowtron: -g will add them for sure |
| 07:11.46 | ruser | Azar because /proc strcuture allows it |
| 07:12.03 | Azar | ruser thanks |
| 07:12.04 | flowtron | jm_ : sorry to say so - but it doesn't (not for me) |
| 07:12.11 | nevyn | allison: I kinda like courier |
| 07:12.13 | kevix | Azar: if you are running exim and then apt-get remove exim, exim is still in memory until reboot |
| 07:12.16 | benjamindees | flowtron, making sure -s isn't added to the gcc or ld options is what works for me |
| 07:12.37 | Azar | kevix, I see... |
| 07:12.38 | ruser | kevix untill the process is terminated. |
| 07:12.39 | allison | nevyn: Do you run the full courier MTA, or just courier-imap? |
| 07:12.41 | flowtron | I can't see "ld" in the Makefile and no other "-s" occurences either |
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| 07:12.55 | jm_ | flowtron: uhm ld is not meant to be called directly, it's called by gcc |
| 07:12.57 | kevix | ruser: yea.... rebooting does that x-) |
| 07:12.58 | nevyn | allison: we run courier-imap with qmail... |
| 07:13.05 | ruser | kevix :) |
| 07:13.08 | Azar | ok second question what kind of protocol is "unix" ? never heard of such until now |
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| 07:13.24 | ForrestF | help, i whant to netinstall linux into my HD that is on a ITE 8212 card even the lastest version of etch found it once but the installer crashed |
| 07:13.36 | flowtron | jm_ : sorry, I'm new to being this deep into the build process ... |
| 07:13.39 | ruser | kevix i'm upgrading to unstable: 400 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 256 not upgraded. |
| 07:13.39 | ruser | Need to get 200MB of archives. After unpacking 18.9MB will be used. |
| 07:13.43 | kevix | Azar: tcp, ip, udp, .... |
| 07:13.50 | rredd4 | does any one know how to use colinux? I have a few questions. |
| 07:14.08 | ForrestF | rredd4: as is #colinux or there mailling list |
| 07:14.11 | ForrestF | ask |
| 07:14.12 | Azar | kevix, I know about those, but never seen something like that: |
| 07:14.37 | ruser | !unix Azar |
| 07:14.38 | Azar | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 511202 - /dev/pr |
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| 07:14.51 | benjamindees | Azar, it's unix sockets, like local ip |
| 07:15.03 | rredd4 | ForrestF: I went to #colinux, there was me and one other person.. |
| 07:15.08 | Azar | benjamindees: internal connections? |
| 07:15.19 | flowtron | benjamindees : how to ensure it's not getting passed to linker?! |
| 07:15.40 | benjamindees | Azar, like ip but faster, used for the x server mostly |
| 07:15.40 | kevix | ruser: I guess there is a BIG difference between stable and unstable. |
| 07:15.46 | ootput | do any of you use replaygain for your flac files? |
| 07:16.14 | deadcat | ootput: yo. you fix your hardstatus yet? |
| 07:16.21 | kevix | Azar: google 'unix sockets' |
| 07:16.24 | peterS | rredd4: why would #debian be the place to ask? |
| 07:16.26 | benjamindees | flowtron, it really just depends on how the project is built |
| 07:16.32 | Azar | cool thanks guys |
| 07:16.32 | jm_ | flowtron: which tools is this? |
| 07:16.51 | ruser | kevix yeah, kinda makes sense... altho maybe what i should do is, check what the packages installed on this machine, and how are they different from actuall sarge :) |
| 07:17.02 | rredd4 | I just want to know if i run colinux in winxp, can I mount my linux partition. As of now, i cannot get onto the web with sarge... |
| 07:17.15 | flowtron | benjamindees : well. ask something. I dunno what to say "generally" to "how it is built" |
| 07:17.17 | kevix | rredd4: did you google for info, go to the colinux site? |
| 07:17.26 | rredd4 | yes |
| 07:17.27 | flowtron | jm_ : what do you mean "tools"? g++ |
| 07:17.45 | rredd4 | i want both screens up so I don't have to reboot all the time |
| 07:18.10 | rredd4 | both screens=both os's |
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| 07:18.29 | mhall | Alright so I need some kind of tool that will warn me when something eats too much CPU. What can I use? |
| 07:18.30 | jm_ | flowtron: no, the one on sf.net ... |
| 07:18.40 | flowtron | jm_ : sauerbraten |
| 07:18.41 | kevix | rredd4: when you say you can't get on the web, does that include ping not working and links ? |
| 07:18.51 | rredd4 | yup |
| 07:18.52 | jm_ | mhall: gkrellm supports alerts |
| 07:19.04 | rredd4 | not getting connected to isp |
| 07:19.06 | rredd4 | dial up |
| 07:19.17 | rredd4 | config prob |
| 07:19.58 | rredd4 | i have sarge, and kernel 2.6... |
| 07:20.01 | dondelelcaro | "prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change" |
| 07:20.06 | kevix | rredd4: have you tried wvdial or pon ? |
| 07:20.30 | ootput | deadcat: aha, no. i've been too busy the past few days |
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| 07:20.38 | vyrus001 | mhall: there are some doc apps that will indicate that |
| 07:20.45 | ootput | deadcat: have you come up with anything? |
| 07:20.46 | vyrus001 | there some cool ones too... like that cube one |
| 07:20.49 | yos87 | hi |
| 07:21.20 | deadcat | ootput: mine works fine. i just want to use yours on my school server (= |
| 07:21.24 | yos87 | ruser:hi |
| 07:21.28 | rredd4 | kevix: pon yes, wvdial.. there r lots of dependicies.. I have 2 libs and those libs have dependicies.. |
| 07:21.38 | rredd4 | pon not working |
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| 07:21.44 | ruser | yos87 hi |
| 07:21.57 | tralala | rredd4: is the modem responding? |
| 07:22.01 | rredd4 | yes |
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| 07:22.18 | tralala | rredd4: and what exactly isn't working? |
| 07:22.19 | kevix | rredd4: I've used pon or wvdial for more than 10 years. no problem here. |
| 07:22.29 | yos87 | ruser: where can I fine storage device |
| 07:22.34 | yos87 | memory |
| 07:22.47 | kevix | rredd4: exactly how big is your hard drive? 200mb? |
| 07:22.51 | rredd4 | tralala: getting onto my isp and staying on |
| 07:23.11 | kevix | yos87: df |
| 07:23.14 | rredd4 | i get td and rd lights on my modem |
| 07:23.18 | ruser | yos87 df -h |
| 07:23.21 | yos87 | kevix: what dv |
| 07:23.30 | rredd4 | stays on for about a minute and drops off |
| 07:23.33 | tralala | rredd4: the pppd log would help |
| 07:23.49 | jm_ | flowtron: as in sauerbraten_2006_01_31_mp_edition.zip? |
| 07:24.01 | flowtron | jm_ yeah, exactly |
| 07:24.10 | myk | i've got 1/2 simple questions.... i've just installed debian (separate HD, this pc) and was wondering, does it have a GUI and if so, how do i start it up? i haven't used a *nix in about 4 years... a little rusty. |
| 07:24.26 | rredd4 | tralala: yes i understand, i have to boot into linux.. the reboot into windows, in order to show u the log... |
| 07:24.30 | jm_ | flowtron: this is some unusual stuff, doesn't even work out of the box |
| 07:24.42 | ma3x | kernel: 1:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device last message repeated 127 times kernel: EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_readdir: directory #2 contains a hole at offset 0 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 525 kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on sda1 |
| 07:24.42 | flowtron | jm_ : no, wrong gcc linked it |
| 07:24.44 | ma3x | does this mean that my hard drive is bad? |
| 07:24.45 | kevix | yos87: how long have you been using gnu/linux? |
| 07:24.49 | ma3x | or that the kernel fucks up something? |
| 07:24.56 | flowtron | jm_ : builds fine, but crashes here upon connect to server |
| 07:24.57 | tralala | rredd4: go ahead then. Add debug to the pppd options. |
| 07:24.58 | ma3x | because when I reboot the hard drive, it works again normally |
| 07:25.00 | rredd4 | unless there is a way to mount linux through windows?? |
| 07:25.06 | yos87 | kevix: yesterday I install |
| 07:25.13 | benjamindees | mhall, slmon ? |
| 07:25.14 | ma3x | any smart idea? |
| 07:25.14 | flowtron | jm_ I'm trying to help debug it (and learn how to in the process) :) |
| 07:25.17 | yos87 | kevix: it was diffecult |
| 07:25.20 | jm_ | flowtron: heh it core dumps when building it here |
| 07:25.20 | ootput | rredd4: ext-ifs, or something |
| 07:25.29 | rredd4 | i can mount windows through linux.. love that! |
| 07:25.39 | flowtron | jm_ well - a core dump would help me on the way |
| 07:25.46 | ruser | !tell myk set up x |
| 07:25.52 | ruser | !tell myk about set up x |
| 07:25.53 | kevix | myk: debian is very conservative in its install. it does not install X by default. 'apt-get install x-window-system' |
| 07:25.55 | ootput | rredd4: mounting ext3 in windows is possible |
| 07:25.58 | soup | how do check to see how much an existing package takes up on the system? |
| 07:25.58 | plbgnr | hello, I use 'df -h' for finding out how much free space do I have. It displayed 28MB of free space on / (/dev/hdb1 18G 17G 28M 100% /) ...then I did delete two files of size 350MB and df -h still displays the same :( what can be that??? |
| 07:26.00 | ma3x | ruser, you able to help me with my problem? |
| 07:26.06 | yos87 | kevix: there is folder called dev in system folder |
| 07:26.07 | rredd4 | soup: how please |
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| 07:26.10 | flowtron | jm_ but I can't get one, or gdb/ddd to show a decent backtrace |
| 07:26.14 | peterS | plbgnr: probably some app still has those files open |
| 07:26.25 | peterS | plbgnr: they won't *really* go away until the last app closes them for the last time |
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| 07:26.33 | yos87 | PeterS: hi |
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| 07:26.38 | peterS | yos87. |
| 07:26.51 | plbgnr | peterS:thanks :) it's right |
| 07:26.56 | kevix | yos87: like all things, Unix is hard at first. have fun. read the 'man' pages. |
| 07:26.57 | soup | rredd4: huh? |
| 07:26.59 | flowtron | jm_ what's your distro? |
| 07:27.03 | jm_ | flowtron: Sarge |
| 07:27.16 | benjamindees | soup apt-cache show <package> |grep Installed-Size |
| 07:27.17 | rredd4 | soup: oops.. |
| 07:27.19 | kevix | yos87: the /dev file system does contain system info. |
| 07:27.20 | jm_ | flowtron: does it actually SIGSEGV? |
| 07:27.22 | tralala | rredd4: do you know what kind of authentication is used by the provider (pap or chap)? |
| 07:27.23 | flowtron | jm_ here too. i got it compiled. mmmh. |
| 07:27.30 | flowtron | jm_ it SEGFAULTs |
| 07:27.30 | rredd4 | no |
| 07:27.34 | soup | benjamindees: ty |
| 07:27.41 | yos87 | kevix: so where can I get the flash memory |
| 07:27.52 | rredd4 | ootput: how can i mount the ext3 into windows please? |
| 07:27.54 | flowtron | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 07:27.54 | yos87 | kevix: it should not start alone like windows |
| 07:27.56 | flowtron | [Switching to Thread 1091924224 (LWP 14103)] |
| 07:28.01 | jm_ | flowtron: ulimit -c 65535 |
| 07:28.05 | phemur | so, I've read that X doesn't handle the clipboard well, and it's a known issue that the clipboard won't persist if you close the application you copied from, and that the gnome clipboard manager was removed from the debian package. Is there a decent solution / workaround for this, or is it just something to live with |
| 07:28.12 | flowtron | jm_ please elaborate |
| 07:28.23 | kevix | yos87: but the easiest way to see hard drive info is 'df'. |
| 07:28.24 | tralala | rredd4: well try them both then. Start with pap. Use pppconfig, create an account and then dial it by using pppd call <account> (as root). |
| 07:28.34 | jm_ | flowtron: run that then run sauerbraten again |
| 07:28.37 | rredd4 | tralala: but chap stayed on longer, about a minute that pap |
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| 07:28.44 | kevix | yos87: if you want to see your ram info; type 'free' |
| 07:28.47 | yos87 | kevix: I get the information |
| 07:28.51 | allison | phemur: That issue was largely dealt with in GNOME 2.12+ |
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| 07:28.55 | zOrK | :P |
| 07:28.56 | zOrK | :D |
| 07:28.57 | zOrK | X: |
| 07:28.58 | zOrK | :D |
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| 07:29.11 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks, was just going to ping you on that |
| 07:29.27 | benjamindees | plbgnr, df is inaccurate sometimes because it counts occupied blocks or something; you can use 'du -s' instead |
| 07:29.31 | flowtron | jm_ is that a permanent setting ... anyway man ulimit says it's deprecated |
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| 07:29.36 | scx | Is there someway to kill a user ? |
| 07:29.40 | dondelelcaro | scx: slay |
| 07:29.40 | yos87 | kevix: I want to see as browsing |
| 07:29.42 | tralala | rredd4: try them both with debug on and paste the results. /msg dpkg paster to see how |
| 07:29.43 | jm_ | flowtron: no, it's for current shell only |
| 07:29.45 | ootput | rredd4: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 07:29.45 | ruser | benjamindees df doesn't look up `holes` |
| 07:29.49 | yos87 | kevix: everyting command .. |
| 07:29.50 | scx | I mean force the logout of a user :D |
| 07:29.51 | phemur | allison: I'm using gnome 2.8.3, but my clipboard always dissappears if I close the app I copied from |
| 07:29.51 | peterS | scx: in the library with the hard disk platter? |
| 07:29.57 | dondelelcaro | scx: yes. slay. |
| 07:30.10 | plbgnr | benjamindees:ok thanks |
| 07:30.14 | scx | I mean the virtual user |
| 07:30.20 | rredd4 | tralala: ok, but first I want to mount my ext3 |
| 07:30.21 | kevix | yos87: what do you want to browse? |
| 07:30.23 | dondelelcaro | scx: again, slay. |
| 07:30.24 | scx | system user |
| 07:30.25 | phemur | allison: oh, 2.12 > 2.8; sorry, misread that |
| 07:30.29 | peterS | ruser: eh? df and du both know about holes |
| 07:30.32 | flowtron | jm_ same problem |
| 07:30.43 | rredd4 | tralala: brb.. checking url |
| 07:30.48 | allison | phemur: Yeah, they added a daemon to maintain clipboard state, finally |
| 07:30.49 | peterS | ruser: or, more accurately, neither of them knows or cares about holes, but they count them correctly anyway |
| 07:30.56 | ruser | peterS what i ment was, the blocksize. :) |
| 07:30.58 | dondelelcaro | scx: otherwise, I suggest 50cal at 1000m, or if you like up close and personal, an icepick does wonders |
| 07:31.12 | jm_ | flowtron: sure, but does it create a core file? |
| 07:31.27 | ruser | peterS not the null holes if you seek past end and write.. altho filesystem if i remember correctly can treat holes differently |
| 07:31.29 | flowtron | jm_ no |
| 07:31.30 | scx | * sh*t |
| 07:31.40 | ruser | i might be totally off tho :) |
| 07:31.42 | phemur | allison: cool. so, I'm new to linux and all that... what's the easiest way to update gnome on my machine? apt-get remove gnome, change my sources to the unstable branch, apt-get install gnome? |
| 07:31.44 | jm_ | flowtron: perhaps it modifies the setting itself |
| 07:31.57 | peterS | ruser: the filesystem can either support holes or not support them, but neither du nor df care about that, they just ask "how much space" and the kernel gives the right answer |
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| 07:32.10 | scx | I mean to kill all the prosecess of a user and force it's logout |
| 07:32.32 | benjamindees | peterS, sometimes they get the wrong answer |
| 07:32.43 | ruser | peterS what about block size if it is say 4K, and file is 5 bytes, how much actuall disk space is gonna be used and allocated? |
| 07:32.47 | kevix | phemur: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable, apt-get update, apt-get install gnome |
| 07:33.03 | peterS | ruser: depends on the filesystem. for most, 4k, for others, maybe 128 bytes |
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| 07:33.23 | ruser | peterS now the question is what is du and df gonna count? |
| 07:33.30 | peterS | ruser: some filesystems have what are known as 'extents', and some have 'tail packing' (notably reiserfs), neither of which fits neatly into the concept of 'how many blocks something takes up' |
| 07:33.38 | flowtron | jm_ don't think so, all "limit"'s I found in the source are of game-concern |
| 07:33.42 | phemur | kevix: ah, that's right. I always forget that apt can upgrade packages, too. do I have to back up anything before I upgrade gnome? or will all my prefs and backgrounds and whatnot still be intact |
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| 07:33.57 | kevix | peterS: what about inode size? |
| 07:34.03 | peterS | ruser: df asks the kernel about the filesystem's statistics, and doesn't care at all about individual files. du asks the kernel how many blocks each file takes up. neither of them just adds up file sizes |
| 07:34.11 | ootput | rredd4: the verdict? |
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| 07:34.28 | peterS | kevix: what about it? |
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| 07:34.49 | rredd4 | ootput: sounds great.. reading still.. have to dl it with dial up.. how big is the dl? |
| 07:34.51 | peterS | kevix: df reports number of used and free inodes, although this doesn't quite accurately reflect filesystems that allocate inode areas dynamically |
| 07:34.52 | kevix | phemur: Debian warns the users before it changes anything. |
| 07:35.02 | phemur | kevix: ok, cool |
| 07:35.09 | phemur | kevix and allison, thanks for the help :) |
| 07:35.22 | kevix | peterS: does the inode size affect these holes? |
| 07:35.30 | peterS | kevix: but on traditional filesystems like ext2, where inodes are all allocated at mkfs time, the space used by inodes eats into the number of blocks available, and that's why 'df' will report some space used on a totally empty filesystem |
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| 07:35.44 | jm_ | flowtron: well let me look at it again |
| 07:35.51 | kevix | phemur: debian does in-place upgrades, no need to remove, install |
| 07:36.24 | flowtron | jm_ thanks for your putting up with this! |
| 07:36.25 | rredd4 | ootput: 460k.. on it way! thanks! might need your help to install.. maybe |
| 07:37.22 | kevix | peterS: so the inode size is not involved in these 'holes'? |
| 07:37.47 | peterS | kevix: by 'holes', I assume everyone is talking about sparse files. sparse files have pretty much nothing to do with inode usage. |
| 07:37.55 | kevix | rredd4: did you get the dialup working? |
| 07:38.20 | peterS | kevix: they use fewer indirect / double indirect / triple indirect blocks, and fewer regular blocks, but they use the same amount of inode space (one inode per file) as any other files |
| 07:38.20 | benjamindees | inodes take up a tiny amount of space; not enough to cause concern |
| 07:38.30 | kevix | peterS: sparse files, is that for all FSTYPES? |
| 07:38.55 | peterS | kevix: it's for most fs types on Unix-like systems. foreign filesystems like HFS and FAT don't have any concept of these, though |
| 07:39.17 | kevix | benjamindees: funny you should mention that, I once ran out of inodes... it caused a problem! |
| 07:39.22 | rredd4 | kevix: not yet.. i am dl'ing Ext2IFS_1_10b.exe so that i can see the ext3 partition, since i cannot get sarge on the internet.. yet |
| 07:39.23 | ruser | peterS there is another type of holes. when you open file for writing seek past end of it, and dump some data. when you copy that file with new name afterwards they gonna be reported iwth different filesize. imo |
| 07:39.36 | peterS | kevix: since sparse files are a pretty old Unix feature, I'd say pretty much all Unix-oriented filesystems were designed to support them |
| 07:39.40 | ruser | rredd4 use exploire2fs |
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| 07:39.51 | peterS | ruser: you're describing sparse files |
| 07:40.24 | peterS | kevix: I *think* even NTFS supports sparse files, at least the version that comes with Windows 2000 and beyond. |
| 07:40.53 | ruser | peterS sorry, reread your sentence again |
| 07:41.00 | kevix | peterS: ... how about ... winFS x-) |
| 07:41.08 | peterS | kevix: what is winFS? |
| 07:41.12 | yos87 | kevix : I want to browse what inside my memory stick, |
| 07:41.16 | yos87 | like windows .. |
| 07:41.35 | kevix | peterS: iirc, its the next-gen vista fs? |
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| 07:42.13 | kevix | yos87: if you have usb stuff in kernel, it should show up as /dev/sda1 |
| 07:42.23 | peterS | kevix: I know nothing about windows vista. IIRC it's not even released yet, and I haven't heard of anyone trying to implement its filesystems on other systems like Linux |
| 07:42.31 | jm_ | flowtron: do you have libenet on your system? |
| 07:43.04 | kevix | peterS: I thought maybe you'd read a spec on it. |
| 07:43.30 | peterS | kevix: I am not even certain about sparse files on NTFS |
| 07:43.38 | flowtron | jm_ : yes. I can play cube & older sauer's fine ... and I compile my own sauerbraten MOD ... usually no network trouble (other than self-made in the MOD *g*) |
| 07:43.53 | yos87 | kevix: there is no sd1 in dev folder |
| 07:43.54 | jm_ | flowtron: I can't find this lib in Debian |
| 07:44.02 | kevix | yos87: in UNIX, that's called 'mounting a file system'. which could be a hard drive, usb stick, smartcard ... |
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| 07:44.35 | kevix | yos87: you inserted the memory stick? |
| 07:44.45 | flowtron | jm_ : I'm not too sure what I had to install to get going, there were a few packages required. but isn't ENet part of the ZIP ... yeah, it's there |
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| 07:44.48 | yos87 | kevix: of course, and it's lighting |
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| 07:45.03 | yos87 | but nothing appear like win |
| 07:45.09 | yos87 | auto play .. |
| 07:45.12 | Canadian | ok so ive got exim running but i cant deliver any mail localy... |
| 07:45.24 | flowtron | jm_ and I find it in /usr/local/lib too |
| 07:45.29 | kevix | yos87: that's a good sign. as root: type tail /var/log/messages and see if you see /dev/.... |
| 07:45.41 | jm_ | flowtron: yeah I can why it doesn't build, it has no Makefile |
| 07:45.56 | flowtron | jm_ of course it does ... |
| 07:46.07 | Canadian | I get the error 2006-02-01 00:45:47 1F4CgV-0000GW-3F lowest numbered MX record points to local host: durupt.ca |
| 07:46.17 | flowtron | jm_ that's where I put in the "-g" to get debugging symbols ... but it doesn't work |
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| 07:46.25 | jm_ | flowtron: no I was talking about enet ... |
| 07:46.26 | flowtron | jm_ or are you talking of ENet? |
| 07:46.33 | flowtron | jm_ lol - mmmh. |
| 07:47.03 | flowtron | jm_ yeah, only a Makefile.im and .am ... that's bad is it? |
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| 07:47.24 | peterS | flowtron: it usually means you have to run a 'configure' script of some sort, to generate a Makefile |
| 07:47.39 | jm_ | flowtron: I fixed it and it has debugging symbols |
| 07:47.42 | flowtron | peterS : but it usually works |
| 07:47.58 | flowtron | jm_ so the problem was with enet, not with sauerbraten itself |
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| 07:48.14 | flowtron | jm_ fixed via configure (like PeterS said) ?!? |
| 07:48.38 | jm_ | flowtron: no, I meant I fxed the build issue for enet - adding -g to Makefile results in properly built binaries with debug info |
| 07:49.19 | kevix | jm_: what project are you building from sourceforge? |
| 07:49.22 | flowtron | jm_ sorry, I can't quite follow - which Makefile did you add -g to? if enet is missing it's makefile - how did you creat it? |
| 07:49.43 | flowtron | kevix : it's my problem, and I'm trying to help on the sauerbraten projects latest release |
| 07:49.50 | jm_ | flowtron: ignore the enet issue ;) |
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| 07:50.05 | yos87 | kevix: there is usb mass storage registed |
| 07:50.06 | jm_ | flowtron: sauerbraten/src/Makefile |
| 07:50.13 | ruser | peterS thanks for the explanation |
| 07:50.17 | peterS | np |
| 07:50.24 | kevix | yos87: that is good! |
| 07:50.37 | flowtron | jm_ yeah, well that's where I added the -g ... does it require a special position. maybe paste 2nd line of Makefile?! |
| 07:50.41 | peterS | ruser: if you need to know more about sparse files, indirect blocks, inodes, and the like, I can probably explain further |
| 07:50.54 | kevix | yos87: you need to find out what it is: /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 .... |
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| 07:51.23 | ruser | peterS i was looking recently into ext2, but it wasw more of a glance. so i'll look some more, and we might comeback to this discussion, if you don't mind, later |
| 07:51.31 | peterS | ruser: ok |
| 07:51.39 | yos87 | kevix: shell I reboot? |
| 07:51.43 | ruser | kevix perhaps and automount for him? :) |
| 07:51.47 | ruser | yos87 no |
| 07:51.50 | jm_ | flowtron: not really no, add it to the end of the line |
| 07:51.50 | peterS | ruser: these concepts are common to most unix filesystems, especially the ones that don't try to get too fancy, like xfs or reiserfs |
| 07:51.57 | kevix | yos87: this is not windows! no reboot required. |
| 07:51.59 | yos87 | kevix: there is nothing in s letter exept shm |
| 07:52.12 | yos87 | no sda |
| 07:52.22 | ruser | yos87 what about /dev/usb* |
| 07:52.35 | flowtron | jm_ I'll have another go, I just ran configure on enet - to be sure :) |
| 07:53.12 | ruser | peterS except in reizer you get journaling? how's resier different from ext2? |
| 07:53.36 | peterS | ruser: the journaling is a side issue, it doesn't have much to do with these other things. ext2 + journalling also exists, it's called ext3 |
| 07:53.50 | Supaplex | !start a fs war |
| 07:53.51 | dpkg | ffs uses too much overhead! |
| 07:53.59 | Supaplex | riser is teh suck! |
| 07:54.11 | peterS | ruser: reiserfs has a different on-disk structure that enables certain other weird features like tail packing. tail packing means taking the end of each file, if it's a lot smaller than a block, and putting several ends-of-files into the *same* block |
| 07:54.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:54.12 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:54.12 | ruser | peterS yes, i'm aware. was just currious what are the differences. |
| 07:54.31 | flowtron | jm_ I'm so sorry for wasting your time |
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| 07:54.46 | ruser | peterS that was towards previous towards ext2 + journaling and resiser... |
| 07:54.47 | peterS | ruser: tail packing lets you have, say, 32 different really small files packed into a single 4k block, taking 128 bytes each. that sort of thing. I guess it's supposed to be useful if you have zillions of tiny files. |
| 07:54.49 | flowtron | jm_ it seems it just needed the f***ing Makefile for enet ... |
| 07:55.07 | jm_ | flowtron: yeah I think your build simply failed, just like mine ;) |
| 07:55.18 | ruser | peterS oh neat |
| 07:55.32 | peterS | ruser: journalling means keeping the filesystem structure consistent at all times, even while you're modifying it by creating files, deleting files, creating directories, changing the size of a file, etc. |
| 07:55.44 | Supaplex | let's tailpack my symlinks, yehou! |
| 07:55.44 | flowtron | jm_ yeah, but I saw no tell tale signs ... :-( ... Doh! |
| 07:55.58 | peterS | ruser: basically this is done by writing your proposed changes to a "journal" area of the fs, then when that is safely on disk and the power hasn't gone out in the middle of it, *then* you move your changes into the places where they actually belong |
| 07:55.58 | ruser | peterS or writing log files of waht needs to be done so you dont' have to fsck the entired huge ass disk? |
| 07:56.05 | peterS | ruser: that's greatly simplified, but yeah |
| 07:56.34 | peterS | ruser: if a power outage or OS crash happens to interrupt writing your journal entry, the incomplete journal will be recognised as incomplete next time you boot, and it'll be cleared out without being committed |
| 07:56.38 | fhffhqvb | ass disk? |
| 07:56.42 | fhffhqvb | ~seen rahul |
| 07:56.47 | apt | rahul <n=rahul@202.83.43.185> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 8h 31m 6s ago, saying: ':(('. |
| 07:56.47 | flowtron | jm_ thank you for your patience ... I hope this has teached me a lesson ... don't you ;-) |
| 07:56.55 | jm_ | flowtron: no worries |
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| 07:57.08 | peterS | ruser: if the power outage / OS crash interrupts writing the journal entry to the rest of the disk, the next boot will just *rewrite* the journal entry to the disk, the same way it was intended to be done the first time |
| 07:57.19 | ruser | fhffhqvb ah c'mon :) i was impying that big disks will take longer to fsck... verify all data structure integrity... |
| 07:57.36 | DeeJay | Anyone who can help me out finding a netinstall with kernel 2.6 that can be installed on a sata harddrive? |
| 07:57.50 | jm_ | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 07:57.50 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 07:58.00 | DeeJay | i got that image :| |
| 07:58.10 | litage | when installing the lsb package, apt says lsb depends on lsb-core, lsb-graphics, lsb-cxx but they're not going to be installed. however, they're already installed. how can i get around this? |
| 07:58.12 | DeeJay | Sais "No media was found" |
| 07:58.23 | peterS | ruser: journalling filesystems all work more or less this same way. some add additional guarantees that file *contents* will also be journalled so that you can't end up with a half-written or corrupted file. other filesystems don't have that. ext3 has that feature but it's optional, because you take a big performance hit for enabling it. |
| 07:58.33 | DeeJay | oh |
| 07:58.36 | DeeJay | I dont have that image |
| 07:58.40 | DeeJay | I will try, thank you jm_ |
| 07:59.11 | peterS | ruser: this latter feature is known as 'data journalling' as opposed to 'metadata journalling', and 'man 8 mount' probably describes how to enable or disable it in ext3 (default is metadata journalling only) |
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| 08:00.53 | tralala | DeeJay: I have installed sarge on a sata driver without problems. I don't remember if I had to load the sata module manually though. |
| 08:01.01 | tralala | s/driver/drive/ |
| 08:01.20 | DeeJay | okay |
| 08:01.29 | DeeJay | Gonna look up my driver on abit's homepage |
| 08:01.31 | DeeJay | asus's* |
| 08:01.34 | DeeJay | argh |
| 08:01.34 | DeeJay | intels |
| 08:01.36 | DeeJay | ffs |
| 08:01.36 | DeeJay | dunno |
| 08:02.06 | ruser | peterS thanks for the lecture. you spiked my curriousity so i had to google your name. |
| 08:02.17 | jm_ | it will work if it has support for your SATA controller, but with its kernel being old, it lack support for new hardware |
| 08:02.23 | jm_ | lacks* |
| 08:02.38 | peterS | ruser: heh, did I turn out to be anyone interesting? I'm not a filesystem hacker, I'll tell you that much |
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| 08:03.06 | DeeJay | jm_ that image on the site you gaved me, what kernel is it? |
| 08:03.12 | ruser | peterS i understood that. but turned up a few email kernel archives |
| 08:03.27 | ruser | peterS and few others |
| 08:03.27 | DeeJay | I dont know how to compile my own kernel, so i really dont want to try it out right now |
| 08:03.32 | jm_ | DeeJay: I don't know how to answer your question, please rephrase it |
| 08:03.40 | peterS | ruser: I'm not a movie producer, that's what google generally thinks at first |
| 08:03.59 | ruser | peterS i just added a linux keyword after your name :) |
| 08:04.06 | peterS | heh, that would help |
| 08:04.10 | DeeJay | jm__ what kernel version is it on that link dpkg gaved me? |
| 08:04.19 | jm_ | DeeJay: isn't it self explanatory? |
| 08:04.30 | DeeJay | 2.6.* ?:) |
| 08:04.43 | tralala | it's 2.6.14 |
| 08:04.47 | DeeJay | Oki |
| 08:04.49 | DeeJay | Thanks |
| 08:04.53 | jm_ | <dpkg> from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 08:04.54 | DeeJay | Well i'm off to try it |
| 08:04.58 | ruser | i'm thinking what would be a good name for a website... |
| 08:05.03 | jm_ | web page says: d-i image for Sarge with kernel 2.6.14 |
| 08:05.05 | karsten | ruser: "www" |
| 08:05.06 | DeeJay | Oh |
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| 08:05.11 | karsten | ruser: It seems to be terribly popular. |
| 08:05.12 | ruser | karsten oh nooo :) |
| 08:05.19 | DeeJay | Sorry jm_, i didnt notice |
| 08:05.24 | mhall | How do I send to a Kmail distribution list? I declared a list but when I tried to send to it it just sent that address to the SMTP server raw and didn't change it out for the real addresses. |
| 08:05.28 | ruser | karsten well, i wanted something original, you know :) |
| 08:05.54 | karsten | ruser: Deesh9Nuxo |
| 08:06.14 | ruser | karsten and perhaps meaningfull? |
| 08:06.19 | DeeJay | Can someone lend me a CD ?:( my rewrite fucks up |
| 08:06.19 | yos87 | kevix:are you here |
| 08:06.26 | flowtron | ruser : \/\/ \/\/ \/\/ |
| 08:06.28 | karsten | ruser: Its meaning is deep and spiritual. |
| 08:06.42 | karsten | DeeJay: ... you'll need to return it by tomorrow morning. |
| 08:06.43 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 08:06.50 | peterS | yos87. |
| 08:06.57 | ruser | fine, i'll just go to sleep :/ |
| 08:06.59 | DeeJay | :D |
| 08:07.03 | yos87 | you say fine |
| 08:07.03 | ruser | karsten it is |
| 08:07.09 | yos87 | or hi |
| 08:07.12 | jrf | ah, the wonders of working nights |
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| 08:07.23 | jrf | I often feel time displaced by a day |
| 08:07.35 | peterS | karsten: yeah, happy mailman day |
| 08:07.40 | flowtron | ruser : me too. my brain is in the cupboard, above the kitchen sink. so I don't have to think ... I think |
| 08:07.52 | karsten | peterS: ?? |
| 08:08.05 | flowtron | CU all. Thanks for everybodys input & help! |
| 08:08.16 | peterS | karsten: the first of every month is Mailman Day. you get notifications from sundry mailman-based list servers about which lists you are on |
| 08:08.44 | ruser | haha, thanks a bunch guys. appreciate it |
| 08:08.47 | peterS | karsten: given your own use of email, I am not about to believe you've never noticed this phenomenon |
| 08:09.03 | yos87 | peterS: |
| 08:09.03 | karsten | peterS: Ah, yes. |
| 08:09.04 | ruser | have a pleasant night/day/evening/afternoon/ underline your choice... |
| 08:09.27 | karsten | peterS: ... 'cept that I'm currently catching up on an 8k message backlog, which is trickling through my spam filters as we speak. |
| 08:09.50 | peterS | karsten: right, so maybe tomorrow will effectively be mailman day for you. mailman and the groundhog all in one day, what could be more exciting than that? |
| 08:10.27 | yos87 | how to install package from cd's |
| 08:10.36 | jrf | mount the cd |
| 08:10.42 | yos87 | just |
| 08:10.43 | jrf | navigate |
| 08:10.53 | jrf | then run dpkg install $foo |
| 08:11.02 | beardy | jrf: ... |
| 08:11.13 | jrf | where $foo == package? |
| 08:11.20 | peterS | simple way is to run 'aptitude' and select the package using '+' and install it by hitting 'g' twice. that assumes you have already set up apt to know about your whole CD collection. if not, run 'apt-setup' first |
| 08:11.25 | beardy | yos87: Run apt-setup, choose to use cd:s. |
| 08:11.30 | jrf | oh that thing :) |
| 08:11.34 | liable | yos87: is it a proper debian cd? |
| 08:11.55 | jrf | is there a way to point apt-cache to a cd? |
| 08:12.13 | yos87 | beardy: should be from root also? |
| 08:12.13 | peterS | jrf: apt-setup |
| 08:12.16 | jrf | ah |
| 08:12.24 | tiny | In etc/inittab it says runlevel 2 is default id:2:initdefault: Why and not runlevel 3? |
| 08:12.33 | jrf | that would be handy on an internal network |
| 08:12.35 | yos87 | liable: I don't know, but I have 14 cd, I don't know all for wat |
| 08:13.00 | jrf | yos87: why not just look for packages over the wire? |
| 08:13.01 | beardy | yos87: Yes. You need to be root to run apt-setup. |
| 08:13.10 | liable | yos87: oh, then yeah, if you have 14, just run apt-setup and keep feeding it cd's :) |
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| 08:13.41 | yos87 | liable: I asked it should be from root? |
| 08:13.47 | liable | yep |
| 08:14.11 | beardy | tiny: Why should it? |
| 08:14.55 | yos87 | liable: I insert the second cd? |
| 08:15.09 | beardy | yos87: When it asks for more, yes. |
| 08:15.13 | liable | yos87: it should ask if you have more |
| 08:15.21 | Pegger | where are apt-get downloads kept? |
| 08:15.25 | kevix | yos87: did you get the memory stick to work? |
| 08:15.29 | jm_ | Pegger: man apt-get |
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| 08:15.37 | peterS | Pegger: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:15.41 | tiny | beardy: Dunno really, I was used to RL 3 untill now. Anyway what's the difference between 2 and 3? |
| 08:15.47 | peterS | Pegger: if you want to clean that out, use 'apt-get clean' or 'apt-get autoclean' |
| 08:15.49 | yos87 | liable: no, I mean I install from first, so should I put second now? |
| 08:15.54 | yos87 | devix: no |
| 08:15.58 | yos87 | devix: you leave me |
| 08:16.02 | peterS | Pegger: easier than deleting the files directly, though you can do that if you wish |
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| 08:16.10 | mhall | How do I send to a Kmail distribution list? I declared a list but when I tried to send to it it just sent that address to the SMTP server raw and didn't change it out for the real addresses. |
| 08:16.11 | yos87 | devix: I request you many time , but no answare |
| 08:16.15 | beardy | tiny: 1 ;) Nothing. |
| 08:16.49 | yos87 | kevix: I did find sda in usb folder |
| 08:17.00 | beardy | tiny: 2 comes after 1, therefore it's what is used as default runlevel, since Debian doesn't care about different multiuser runlevels. |
| 08:17.11 | liable | yos87: run apt-setup as you have been told, and when it asks if you have more cd's then put in the next one. |
| 08:17.23 | deadcat | anyone using imagemagick's montage? i just want to join 2 1280x1024 into 2560x1024, help is not helping me |
| 08:17.49 | yos87 | liable: it asked alrady, I'm going on |
| 08:17.51 | jm_ | deadcat: tried man montage? |
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| 08:18.16 | deadcat | jm_: ya. confusing as hell. it should be simple. i tried and it gen the image into thumbnail |
| 08:18.26 | kevix | yos87: what does: 'grep -i sd /var/log/messages' show |
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| 08:18.54 | peterS | ooooh, the abrotman petition! that rules. |
| 08:19.43 | liable | wtf is that? |
| 08:19.44 | peterS | liable: http://www.petitiononline.com/abrotman/petition.html |
| 08:19.44 | peterS | liable: blame damog |
| 08:19.44 | kevix | peterS: is he looking for debian sponsorship? |
| 08:19.49 | tiny | beardy: great, I'm glad it doesn't care :) |
| 08:20.02 | beardy | kevix: Read, can you? |
| 08:20.04 | peterS | kevix: no, he's undecided about attending the seventh annual Debian developer conference, and damog is trying to get him to go |
| 08:20.06 | yos87 | devix: it was not grap, it was tail |
| 08:20.20 | liable | peterS: hahaha |
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| 08:20.30 | JRWR | what is siimage |
| 08:20.38 | JRWR | !tell JRWR about siimage |
| 08:20.47 | peterS | liable: yeah it's pretty funny. I wonder if it'll work |
| 08:21.07 | kevix | peterS: so he needs coaxing? if you got the $ and the time, what would be the prob? |
| 08:21.15 | liable | peterS: hrm, maybe we need to give him some incouragement :) |
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| 08:21.35 | peterS | kevix: dunno, but I'm guessing it's because it's a developer conference and he's not precisely a developer so he doesn't feel he'll fit in |
| 08:21.39 | jm_ | deadcat: it's trivial -- montage -geometry '!1280x1024' file1 file2 outfile |
| 08:21.51 | peterS | liable: hence damog's little prank |
| 08:21.56 | yos87 | devix: grep show many things |
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| 08:22.43 | kevix | peterS: if you about debian enough, then you'd find it interesting and you'd get to meet f2f with folks and be social. where's the bad? |
| 08:23.03 | peterS | kevix: have you been to a debian developer conference? |
| 08:23.14 | tiny | So ... if I wan't certain programs to get started after boot I need to put them into a initscript in /etc/init.d/script ? Is there a simpler way? I only need to start 2 shell scripts with some programs in them every time machine reboots. |
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| 08:23.42 | kevix | peterS:no. but I've meet with some debian and ubuntu developers and read planet. |
| 08:23.44 | peterS | kevix: I have no idea how interesting these things actually are, as I've not been to one. the actual conference might not be all that interesting to non-developers, who knows? I still think one would enjoy meeting all the people though |
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| 08:24.13 | peterS | kevix: but attending a conference just for the beer time does seem a little bit absurd |
| 08:24.14 | EmleyMoor | How do I cope with a boot image file for a CD that is only 2K when using mkisofs to make an El Torito image? |
| 08:24.15 | christor | Hi |
| 08:24.19 | yos87 | hi |
| 08:24.27 | kevix | peterS: that's the point. IIRC perl monger meets are bout beer and not perl x-) |
| 08:24.45 | liable | and hopefully he gets really drunk and we get to hear some funny stories about him :) |
| 08:24.56 | kevix | peterS: I guess there always the site seeing... it is mexico! |
| 08:25.12 | EmleyMoor | Ah, I see |
| 08:25.14 | peterS | kevix: not sure if I'd be able to enjoy that part properly, as I speak no spanish at all |
| 08:25.19 | christor | I m searching infomartion to install a debian on a riad system |
| 08:25.34 | peterS | kevix: that's my big problem, the lack of spanish. I can't assume I'd be able to get along in english, french or italian down there, y'know? |
| 08:25.36 | JRWR | Can anyone tell me why siimage driver is not working with my ite 8212 card |
| 08:25.49 | EmleyMoor | -no-emul-boot by the look of it |
| 08:25.57 | tiny | Am I asking a really stupid question or noone gives a f$%@? |
| 08:26.02 | tiny | :) |
| 08:26.08 | christor | I have lauched the installation , configured the raid and create the /dev/md0 but I can t write the mbr (grub hd0) on the disk? |
| 08:26.14 | kevix | peterS: from what I've read, some time is spent sighseeing, at least that's what I've read about debconf5 and ubuntu confs. |
| 08:26.18 | EmleyMoor | tiny: What was your question? |
| 08:26.34 | JRWR | mine is a bug in the installer |
| 08:26.34 | benjamindees | tiny, that's the best way, and add a link to /etc/init.d/rc2.d |
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| 08:26.42 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 08:26.43 | dpkg | To run something at boot, either use an @reboot cronjob (man 5 crontab). Or ask me about "update-rc.d" and "rcconf". |
| 08:26.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:26.44 | dpkg | < FieldySnuts> someone who realizes this may get them severely larted do this: -!- sgeigerbot [n=user@h216-170-007-123.adsl.navix.net] has joined #debian |
| 08:26.46 | liable | !runlevels |
| 08:26.46 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
| 08:26.46 | yos87 | leable: apt-setup, I did , he just ask me to scan, one by one, but at last nothing happen |
| 08:26.49 | tiny | EmleyMoor: So ... if I wan't certain programs to get started after boot I need to put them into a initscript in /etc/init.d/script ? Is there a simpler way? I only need to start 2 shell scripts with some programs in them every time machine reboots. |
| 08:26.50 | beardy | tiny: ^^ |
| 08:26.57 | Gnea | tiny: no one gives a fuck. ;) actually, that is the way - read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 08:27.04 | peterS | tiny: oh. I overlooked your question. see /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 08:27.14 | yos87 | leable: apt-setup, I did , he just ask me to scan, one by one, but at last he did not show me any package to install |
| 08:27.38 | peterS | tiny: yeah and the runlevel system, which is about /etc/rc2.d/ and friends. a bit complicated but once you understand it it's not bad |
| 08:27.43 | tiny | peterS: Yesssss! |
| 08:27.43 | liable | yos87: you need to tell it to install the packages you want. |
| 08:27.57 | tiny | Gnea: :) |
| 08:28.08 | yos87 | liable: he did not give me a choises |
| 08:28.17 | liable | !reference |
| 08:28.17 | dpkg | methinks reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 08:28.22 | liable | yos87: ^^ read it |
| 08:28.39 | kevix | peterS: I was thinking, is this person a programmer, techincal writer or such. or are they like a forest ranger who'd have no idea about software. |
| 08:28.55 | peterS | kevix: if you don't know abrotman you don't know #debian (: |
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| 08:29.15 | peterS | kevix: he's not a *developer* per se but I'm pretty sure he answers more questions in this channel than anyone else |
| 08:29.30 | streuner | !debstats |
| 08:29.31 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 08:29.32 | kevix | peterS: I may have seen his screen name go buy, but I dont recall him specicically. |
| 08:29.34 | ste | hi all. after updating experimental this morning, alt-gr key does not work anymore in X. |
| 08:29.48 | liable | i havent been here that long, but abrotman is always at the top of debstats. |
| 08:30.13 | yos87 | liable: link is not working |
| 08:30.21 | kevix | peterS: well in that case, he at least could provide good user feedback. and if you are part of the community, that's just as needed/valuable as a dev-point of view! |
| 08:30.22 | peterS | kevix: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ - marvel at his absolute dominance. actually right now is a bad time, it's less than a day since the stats were rotated, so click on the January stats |
| 08:30.31 | streuner | ste: play with 104 or 105 keys |
| 08:30.33 | yos87 | liable: I want to ask you , how is dpkg here, |
| 08:30.39 | yos87 | liable: he don't answare |
| 08:30.45 | liable | !hi |
| 08:30.45 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 08:30.57 | liable | yos87: you need to ask it stuff it knows. |
| 08:31.02 | streuner | ste: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(xorg) |
| 08:31.12 | yos87 | dpkg: hi |
| 08:31.12 | dpkg | que tal, yos87 |
| 08:31.18 | kevix | yos87: what does: 'grep -i sd /var/log/messages' show |
| 08:31.40 | ste | streuner: i do have 105. but since it seems the first update to 6.9 I suspect it's a problem about packaging... |
| 08:31.41 | yos87 | kevix: it big page, it's by date |
| 08:31.51 | streuner | ste: nah |
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| 08:32.03 | ste | streuner: it says: (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 08:32.47 | streuner | ste: WW=warning NOT error... |
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| 08:32.55 | yos87 | kevix: I make it right now, it stuck after pressing enter |
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| 08:33.34 | christor | Please I m trying to install a debian on a system raid 5 and I have created the /dev/md0 during the installation but the install can t wirute the grub hd0 someone can help me? |
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| 08:34.03 | jm_ | christor: use a separate /boot partition which is not part of your RAID system |
| 08:34.05 | apikoros | hey -- i downloaded the source of a program, and it has a "debian" directory with (presumably) scripts for building a package.. any idea how to do it? |
| 08:34.10 | kevix | peterS: cool! this month I'm #11! |
| 08:34.13 | apikoros | the readme doesn't say anything useful |
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| 08:34.32 | peterS | kevix: this month is less than a day old. see if you can keep your ranking for the other 27 days (: |
| 08:34.34 | streuner | ste: laptop? |
| 08:34.40 | ste | streuner: yes |
| 08:34.46 | kevix | yos87: what does: 'grep -i sd /var/log/messages|tail' show |
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| 08:34.51 | streuner | ste: /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 08:35.07 | kevix | peterS: in dec, I was #100. I'm not on THAT much. |
| 08:35.09 | beardy | wtf.. |
| 08:35.21 | peterS | kevix: I kind of exploded into #debian a couple years ago. despite missing the first 6 days of the month, I was in the clear lead by about the 12th and by the end of the month I had dwarfed the normal regulars |
| 08:35.30 | peterS | kevix: that was back in sept 2003, I have seriously slacked off since then |
| 08:35.31 | christor | jm_: ok thx |
| 08:35.35 | christor | Going to try |
| 08:35.36 | karsten | Hrm. Any reason why apache 1.3.33 would be showing a document as '<html><body></body></html>' (viewing source) when it in fact renders _just_ _fine_ on another server? |
| 08:35.47 | rredd4 | tralala: where is the log file that we need to look at for ppp? |
| 08:36.05 | tralala | rredd4: /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:36.13 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/resume.html (doesn't render) http://kself.home.netcom.com/resume.html |
| 08:36.13 | yos87 | kevix: how can I send you a file |
| 08:36.17 | karsten | ... latter does. |
| 08:36.33 | jm_ | karsten: wrong mime type? |
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| 08:36.41 | yos87 | leable: this is the right link http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
| 08:36.52 | yos87 | dpkg: this is the right link http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
| 08:36.52 | dpkg | yos87: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:36.53 | ste | streuner: ? |
| 08:36.54 | jm_ | it doesn't seem to be the case |
| 08:37.07 | jm_ | karsten: it renders for me |
| 08:37.08 | streuner | ste: what laptop do you have? |
| 08:37.17 | yos87 | dpkg: maybe |
| 08:37.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, maybe is maybe, or the opposite of maybe |
| 08:37.18 | karsten | jm_: Which? linuxmafia doesn't, or does it? |
| 08:37.20 | kevix | yos87: what does: 'grep -i sd /var/log/messages|grep Feb' show |
| 08:37.31 | jm_ | karsten: wait, it returns empty file ;) |
| 08:37.34 | karsten | jm_: Hrm. Meybe cache.... |
| 08:37.35 | yos87 | kevix: how can I send you a file |
| 08:37.35 | rredd4 | tralala: I c /var/log no syslog |
| 08:37.36 | karsten | jm_: Right. |
| 08:37.47 | yos87 | kevix: i want to send a screenshot of it |
| 08:37.55 | kevix | yos87: you can copy/paste into #flood |
| 08:37.55 | tralala | rredd4: are you running debian? |
| 08:37.59 | karsten | jm_: There's actually some 16K in there. |
| 08:38.00 | jm_ | karsten: I mean 0 bytes long, not empty as in in the browser |
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| 08:38.30 | karsten | jm_: Um. Significance? |
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| 08:38.32 | rredd4 | tralala: i have to be in windows in order to be on the internet |
| 08:38.47 | karsten | rredd4: Sucks to be you. |
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| 08:38.53 | yos87 | kevix: what is flood |
| 08:38.59 | rredd4 | tralala: but i can c the ext3 volume |
| 08:38.59 | jm_ | karsten: hard to render and display anything if it's an empty file, don't you think? |
| 08:39.00 | karsten | !tell yos87 about flood |
| 08:39.03 | godmachine81 | i have a question regarding burning a cd from dvd rips (avi).. if i use k3b or gtoaster etc.. and make a video cd, will it play in a standard tv dvd player? |
| 08:39.05 | tralala | rredd4: debian has /var/log/syslog |
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| 08:39.15 | karsten | jm_: It's *NOT* an empty file on the server. |
| 08:39.21 | kevix | yos87: you know when you did /join #debian, well you can /join #flood |
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| 08:39.28 | jm_ | karsten: it returns 0 bytes long file to me |
| 08:39.48 | streuner | godmachine81: sure, as long as your DVD-player can read the codec... |
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| 08:40.15 | godmachine81 | streuner: does k3b convert it to a codec that is compatible with most dvd players? |
| 08:40.16 | karsten | jm_: [karsten@linuxmafia:~]$ ll public_html/resume.html -rw-r--r-- 1 karsten karsten 15838 2006-02-01 00:25 public_html/resume.html |
| 08:40.21 | godmachine81 | i have a little generic dvd player |
| 08:40.30 | streuner | godmachine81: no |
| 08:40.30 | ste | streuner: an asus. note that it has worked fine up to yesterday |
| 08:40.33 | karsten | jm_: That's from the server. I've got shell but no root. |
| 08:40.36 | jm_ | karsten: maybe it's not returning this file, no idea |
| 08:40.47 | ste | streuner: and it works with 7.0 from cvs |
| 08:40.47 | tarzeau | is there no manual page for /etc/adjtime ? |
| 08:40.49 | streuner | godmachine81: k3b is a GUI for cdrecord, not more |
| 08:40.50 | godmachine81 | streuner: so how do i know if my dvd player will read the codec? |
| 08:40.52 | rredd4 | tralala: i found syslog, it was in /debian-installer |
| 08:40.54 | karsten | jm_: If I put the same *content* in another file, it fails to return that file either. |
| 08:41.07 | maneiki2 | karsten: I wgetted the file and also got 0 bytes. |
| 08:41.07 | streuner | godmachine81: well, read the manual? |
| 08:41.21 | karsten | jm_: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/foo.html eg. |
| 08:41.25 | godmachine81 | it didnt come with a manual i bought it used |
| 08:41.26 | karsten | jm_: Right now it's just "foo" |
| 08:41.31 | godmachine81 | ill tell u the brand |
| 08:41.32 | liable | godmachine81: i dont think k3b does, i know nero converts an avi to an mpeg, but i am not sure k3b does. try it, if the file ends up larger than the avi, then it may do it. |
| 08:41.37 | peterS | karsten: makes me wonder if something is trying to validate or preprocess the file, as like php or shtml or whatever |
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| 08:41.45 | peterS | karsten: or as, God forbid, xml |
| 08:41.46 | karsten | peterS: Possibly shtml |
| 08:41.55 | tralala | rredd4: I need the pppd log from /var/log/syslog to be able to help you |
| 08:42.01 | kevix | streuner: dvd can read mpeg2 and mpeg4, no? what else? |
| 08:42.05 | liable | godmachine81: you can convert it yourseld anyway if it doesnt |
| 08:42.09 | godmachine81 | liable: but i dont have a dvd burner.. i was just wanting to burn avi cds |
| 08:42.12 | maneiki2 | karsten: foo.html works |
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| 08:42.18 | streuner | kevix: mpeg4 is avi |
| 08:42.23 | godmachine81 | but watch them on cd |
| 08:42.24 | karsten | maneiki2: As I said it would |
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| 08:42.41 | karsten | [karsten@linuxmafia:public_html]$ cat resume.html > foo.html |
| 08:42.43 | peterS | kevix: the actual dvd video standards say mpeg2. probably some players can also deal with mpeg4 variants of the formats |
| 08:42.44 | karsten | maneiki2: Now try it. |
| 08:42.49 | rredd4 | tralala: not this one? /var/log/debian-installer/syslog |
| 08:42.50 | karsten | peterS: Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.24 OpenSSL/0.9.8 DAV/1.0.3 |
| 08:43.00 | godmachine81 | on the the tv i mean.. i just bought a GForce FX5500 256MB graphics card today, are they pretty good? |
| 08:43.00 | karsten | peterS: Weird: content-encoding: gzip. |
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| 08:43.05 | karsten | peterS: ... headers from w3m. |
| 08:43.15 | streuner | kevix: in order to run mpeg4 (avi) you need a DivX DVD-player... |
| 08:43.17 | jm_ | godma'that's an old card and low end at it |
| 08:43.22 | jm_ | godmachine81 ^^^ |
| 08:43.24 | yos87 | kevix: why when I send you a file dcc , server disconnected |
| 08:43.25 | peterS | karsten: do you have libwww-perl installed? try /usr/bin/HEAD and /usr/bin/GET as troubleshooters |
| 08:43.38 | tralala | rredd4: if you cannot find it from windows my advice is to boot debian, try to connect a couple of times with pppd call <provider> (debug has to be on) and give the results then. And no I don't need the installer log. |
| 08:43.39 | streuner | kevix: usually those can read common Xvid and/or DivX codecs |
| 08:43.40 | karsten | peterS: Invocation? |
| 08:43.58 | kevix | streuner: would ffmpeg do it? |
| 08:43.59 | liable | godmachine81: yes you can make a cd and watch it on most dvd players, its the video standard that matters. |
| 08:44.09 | rredd4 | tralala: ok, brb |
| 08:44.24 | ste | streuner: ok, shouldn't have upgraded. there's a funny mix of package version, some at 7.0, some at 6.9, some at some 1.0.x |
| 08:44.26 | godmachine81 | well walmart had the FX5500 and it was like 299 |
| 08:44.28 | peterS | karsten: for a start, just 'HEAD http://kmself...../resume.html' |
| 08:44.30 | yos87 | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.pdf |
| 08:44.33 | kevix | yos87: did you /join #flood ? |
| 08:44.37 | rredd4 | tralala: to turn on debug.. ? |
| 08:44.43 | karsten | peterS: OK. What am I looking for? |
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| 08:44.45 | ste | streuner: will do without alt-gr for some time :) |
| 08:44.54 | jm_ | you must be joking, 299USD for a FX5500? |
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| 08:45.02 | peterS | karsten: well anything that doesn't agree with what w3m reports, I suppose, or looks suspicious in other ways |
| 08:45.09 | yos87 | kivex: there is write protect is off at last of grep list |
| 08:45.19 | karsten | peterS: Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 |
| 08:45.27 | peterS | karsten: also 'GET -e http://....' etc. |
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| 08:45.42 | yos87 | kivex: and there is the of the memory stick |
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| 08:45.50 | yos87 | kivex: and there is the name of the memory stick |
| 08:46.03 | kevix | yos87: it should say: "sda: write protect is off". Does it say something else? |
| 08:46.04 | godmachine81 | i think its a 5500 |
| 08:46.09 | karsten | peterS: Paster coming up... |
| 08:46.09 | godmachine81 | i dunno i got it 5 finger |
| 08:46.18 | godmachine81 | when i bought anew ethernet controler |
| 08:46.21 | godmachine81 | i just stuck it in there |
| 08:46.35 | godmachine81 | i just wanted something to play video better on my machine |
| 08:46.35 | godmachine81 | heh |
| 08:46.44 | godmachine81 | im not sure it is a fx 5500 |
| 08:46.44 | yos87 | kivex: it is " sdb write protect is off" |
| 08:46.49 | rredd4 | tralala: debug is set up in pppconfig.. right? |
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| 08:47.12 | litage | i compiled and installed the latest hplip drivers for my HP printer, and created the printer in cups, but the status of any print job i send to the printer never changes from "Network host '10.0.10.200' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." how can i fix this? |
| 08:47.13 | karsten | peterS: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1718 |
| 08:47.39 | peterS | karsten: and GET displays the same empty tags? |
| 08:47.39 | kevix | ~dvdauthor |
| 08:48.00 | karsten | peterS: GET displays everything I just pasted. |
| 08:48.02 | kevix | !~dvdauthor |
| 08:48.02 | yos87 | this link is not working with me http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.pdf |
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| 08:48.05 | par22 | hi |
| 08:48.07 | par22 | anybody knows how can I access to a oracle db using php5 function oci_connect in Debian? |
| 08:48.15 | kevix | !dpkg dvdauthor |
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| 08:48.36 | peterS | karsten: oh, I thought GET -e would display the actual html page. does this mean, I wonder, that the server is actually sending back a zero-length file, and w3m is adding in those two tags |
| 08:48.48 | karsten | peterS: Could be. |
| 08:48.51 | rredd4 | !dpkg rredd4 |
| 08:49.01 | peterS | karsten: seems likely in fact. the question is still, of course, "why" |
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| 08:49.06 | karsten | peterS: The server appears confused. |
| 08:49.15 | karsten | peterS: I'll bug redrick in th eam. |
| 08:49.28 | yos87 | please, some one try this link, is it working there |
| 08:49.28 | yos87 | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.pdf |
| 08:49.33 | kevix | par22: apt-cache show libphp-adodb |
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| 08:49.44 | peterS | karsten: right, right. check for obvious things like dangling symlinks or file permission oddities |
| 08:49.45 | par22 | thx kevix |
| 08:49.50 | benjamindees | godmachine81, what you're asking about is a complex subject. All DVD players will play mpeg2 dvds. Most will play mpeg1 vcds. Some will play mpeg2 svcds and mpeg1 xvcds. I think very few will play divx or mpeg4. |
| 08:49.56 | liable | yos87: you can actually install the debian reference with apt-get |
| 08:50.05 | chezmoi | do you know if debian 3.1 supports installations on raid hw with no drivers and complications. is this card supported - it mentions 3.0 - http://www.icp-vortex.com/english/download/rz_neu/linux/linux_e.htm |
| 08:50.14 | rredd4 | how do i turn on debug when trying to get ppp to work? |
| 08:50.17 | peterS | karsten: but beyond that I'm inclined to believe it's one of those weird malfunctions that goes away when you restart apache or fix a syntax error in a config file or something |
| 08:50.20 | karsten | peterS: Perms check. |
| 08:50.32 | karsten | peterS: ... note that I catted the file into one that *was* working. foo.html |
| 08:50.39 | peterS | right, right |
| 08:50.41 | karsten | peterS: ... which currently *can't* be read. |
| 08:50.41 | lindi- | how can i reinstall all packages? (i want to check if recent sudo upgrade breaks any of the install scripts). sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections|grep -v deinstall$|cut -f1` works on my woody system but sarge fails with E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 08:50.41 | godmachine81 | i didnt know benjamindees i just thought i would ask |
| 08:50.52 | jm_ | chezmoi: as long as the kernel supports it |
| 08:50.54 | peterS | karsten: so it's definitely a content-based malfunction |
| 08:50.57 | weissi | rredd4: how do you connect with PPP (do you use pppd directly)? |
| 08:51.01 | godmachine81 | because i have some good movies i would like to burn to cd and watch on tv if there would be anyway possible to do that |
| 08:51.04 | karsten | peterS: Would appear to be the case. |
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| 08:51.19 | chezmoi | how can i make sure this pieace of hw works before i pay for it |
| 08:51.25 | peterS | karsten: do you have any shtml directives in there? if so I wonder if they're somehow making apache freak out and send the empty file |
| 08:51.29 | karsten | peterS: Hrm... Interesting dmesg stuff. |
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| 08:51.33 | karsten | peterS: None that I'm aware. |
| 08:51.34 | peterS | oh? |
| 08:51.40 | karsten | peterS: hw tcp v4 csum failed |
| 08:51.44 | benjamindees | godmachine81, the only real standards are VCD and DVD, and there are SVCD players in Asia some places. Everything else is trial and error. |
| 08:51.46 | rredd4 | weissi: umm.. have pppconfig configed.. using pcon |
| 08:51.47 | karsten | No timestamps. |
| 08:51.49 | peterS | karsten: weird. related or not, who can say |
| 08:51.49 | rredd4 | pon |
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| 08:51.53 | kevix | godmachine81: dvdauthor ? |
| 08:51.58 | yos87 | good referaces |
| 08:51.59 | chezmoi | anything that i can check |
| 08:52.02 | chezmoi | ? |
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| 08:52.17 | karsten | peterS: shtml looks like what? |
| 08:52.37 | weissi | rredd4: ok, whats the name of your ppp-connection? (can be found in /etc/ppp/peers/ ) |
| 08:52.37 | godmachine81 | what do u mean dvdauthor? |
| 08:52.41 | peterS | karsten: uhhh ... *thinks for awhile* ... <!--#keyword --> for various keywords |
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| 08:52.58 | karsten | peterS: Right. |
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| 08:53.08 | kevix | chezmoi: google for info about it. google 'myvideocard linux' or 'mysoundcard debian' |
| 08:53.08 | peterS | karsten: does the thing fail the same way from localhost as from non-localhost? that's the way to see if network card badness is having an effect |
| 08:53.21 | godmachine81 | dvdauthor will make an avi compatable in a DVD player on a CD-R disc? |
| 08:53.26 | peterS | karsten: I wouldn't even bring up network card badness except for what you mention from dmesg |
| 08:53.33 | karsten | peterS: Yes, fails on localhost. |
| 08:53.43 | rredd4 | weissi: provider |
| 08:53.44 | chezmoi | ooohh that way. i supposed it was a debian channel :) |
| 08:54.20 | kevix | godmachine81: haven't done it, but nothing lost if it doesn't work. |
| 08:54.23 | weissi | rredd4: ok, cool they try `pppd nodetach debug call provider` |
| 08:54.26 | karsten | peterS: Curiously, w3m shows a zero-length file, apparently Galeon's adding the <html><body></body></html> bit. |
| 08:54.36 | peterS | karsten: *nod* |
| 08:54.40 | peterS | karsten: hardware TCP checksum ... might be something the kernel also does for the localhost interface. in which case it could be the kernel network stack going a little bit crazy |
| 08:54.44 | mhall | karsten: modifying the input? that's not cool |
| 08:54.53 | godmachine81 | i have a question about something else.. i have the i810 vga chipset in my mainboard, and i disabled it in the bios so i could use my nvidia card, i installed the nvidia driver, but when i do a lsmod it still shows the agpgarp : nvidia, i810... how do i remove the i810 ? |
| 08:54.55 | rredd4 | weissi: i am logging into peoplepc |
| 08:55.05 | karsten | mhall: Ja, that's what I say. |
| 08:55.07 | weissi | rredd4: that tells pppd, that it should use debug and that it doesn't detach from the tty (so, you can see the logmessages directly on the tty) |
| 08:55.09 | peterS | mhall: galeon 'show source' apparently adds those tags in if you don't already have them. who knows why. it's benign though |
| 08:55.13 | karsten | peterS: Thanks, I've tossed it to redrick. |
| 08:55.16 | kevix | karsten: what are you doing? downloading a file with wget? |
| 08:55.18 | peterS | karsten: *nod* |
| 08:55.28 | rredd4 | weissi: cool |
| 08:55.30 | mhall | peterS karsten : does gecko do that in moz? |
| 08:55.32 | karsten | kevix: Trying to verify a webpage I've just posted (my resume) is visible. |
| 08:55.33 | peterS | kevix: he's trying to diagnose an apache malfunction on his web host |
| 08:55.36 | rredd4 | brb |
| 08:55.36 | peterS | mhall: no clue |
| 08:55.54 | godmachine81 | i dont know how to test my nvidia card really.. i just got it today |
| 08:55.56 | kevix | karsten: did you ftp/ssh to verify? |
| 08:55.56 | tralala | rredd4: yes irrc |
| 08:56.07 | tralala | bah |
| 08:56.13 | peterS | kevix: he's already logged in with a console shell, what more does one want |
| 08:56.31 | weissi | rredd4: I do not know what you mean by "into peoplepc", but I think that doesn't matter if you use nodetach |
| 08:56.39 | kevix | peterS: could it be a cache issue. |
| 08:56.41 | GecKo | gecko does lots |
| 08:56.43 | GecKo | !~ |
| 08:56.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, ~ is a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+' |
| 08:56.45 | peterS | kevix: he's making the changes to his web pages directly on the web host, can't get much better than that |
| 08:56.54 | peterS | kevix: i.e., with vim and unix shell tools |
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| 08:57.07 | kevix | peterS: what else x-) |
| 08:57.38 | kevix | peterS: normall you restart apache and bam! but I take it this did not work. |
| 08:57.49 | peterS | kevix: he's not root on the web host, that belongs to another friend |
| 08:58.09 | kevix | peterS: could it be the user or permission on the file? |
| 08:58.18 | karsten | kevix: Scrollback. |
| 08:58.21 | peterS | kevix: read the scrollback a bit, we checked all that (: |
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| 08:58.42 | prp | any ideea why do i ge this ? W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F, didn't got it till today |
| 08:58.43 | peterS | karsten: this is enzo, no? the machine slated for EOL RSN? |
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| 08:58.49 | karsten | peterS: Yes. |
| 08:59.01 | peterS | karsten: so if it's hardware problems, they've shown up just in time |
| 08:59.13 | karsten | peterS: Didn't they just ;-) |
| 08:59.14 | kevix | karsten: here's an odd test. cp an already existing file and see if the newly create one shows up. |
| 08:59.20 | peterS | kevix: he did that |
| 08:59.45 | kevix | peterS: well. I guess we think alike. just going down my mental check list! |
| 08:59.50 | peterS | karsten: though checking that the files are readable via 'cat' is something I guess I don't know whether you did. one assumes they are readable but it's good to check these things |
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| 08:59.53 | karsten | kevix: scrollback. Read it. |
| 08:59.54 | mhall | lol this one guy in #kde was called fri13 so i asked him if he would jinx me; he said he was born that day and it was good luck for him, last fri. 13 he won 13,000 euro in the lottery |
| 08:59.58 | mhall | that's too weird |
| 09:00.05 | karsten | peterS: See the foo.html test. |
| 09:00.19 | kevix | karsten: I'm using irrsi-console. no scrollback! |
| 09:00.28 | peterS | kevix: not true, hit PgUP |
| 09:00.33 | karsten | kevix: /scrollback karsten |
| 09:00.37 | mhall | kevix: bullshit, pgup key |
| 09:00.41 | kevix | peterS: COOL! |
| 09:00.45 | liable | kevix: you can still scroll. |
| 09:00.46 | peterS | hehe |
| 09:01.00 | beardy | mhall: irc is the mother of all truth |
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| 09:01.09 | mhall | beardy: lol, as if |
| 09:01.29 | mhall | beardy: then again, he is a kde gui designer |
| 09:01.33 | __max_ | Anyone have any good ideas on how to solve this: machine1 runs vpn tunnels to machine2 and 3, machines 2 and 3 run vpn tunnels towards machine1 that needs to export /export that contains userfiles and config files. |
| 09:01.48 | mhall | beardy: one hopes if he's trustworthy enough to be upstream he wouldn't lie about such stuff |
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| 09:01.51 | __max_ | anyone have a sugestion for a fast method of reading these files over the vpn? |
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| 09:02.16 | beardy | mhall: yeah.. |
| 09:02.47 | yos87 | divix: I disconnect the flash memory, I get a message |
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| 09:03.01 | karsten | mhall: Women frequently boggle at me. |
| 09:03.23 | peterS | mhall: just change your nick to M'Hael, it means 'leader' in the language robert jordan invented for his fantasy novels |
| 09:03.45 | peterS | I guess that'd have to be m`hael as you can't use an apostrophe in a nick |
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| 09:04.16 | mhall | karsten: lol i did leave that loophole didn't i |
| 09:04.20 | mhall | peterS: what about utf8 |
| 09:04.29 | mhall | !lart IMPMkrK |
| 09:04.55 | mhall | karsten: i meant, i wonder when women will bow for me like you did ;-) |
| 09:05.03 | karsten | mhall: *Ahh....* |
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| 09:05.40 | mhall | karsten: makes more sense now eh |
| 09:06.09 | liable | cuz |
| 09:06.11 | karsten | mhall: It's late... |
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| 09:06.27 | mhall | karsten: no your interpretation was valid given what i typed |
| 09:06.31 | karsten | mhall: For you too IIRC. |
| 09:06.38 | karsten | mhall: Made sense at the time ;-) |
| 09:06.56 | mhall | yeah 0110 hours |
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| 09:07.08 | mhall | it's XOR o'clock :-D |
| 09:07.20 | karsten | mhall: And how's the stunning town of Stock? |
| 09:07.26 | karsten | mhall: Hel. |
| 09:07.30 | karsten | mhall: Uh. Heh. |
| 09:07.43 | mhall | karsten: well one semester left |
| 09:07.48 | mhall | i have a lot of irons in the fire |
| 09:08.13 | mhall | computer ethics, application programming, software engineering, film, numerical analysis |
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| 09:08.22 | mhall | plus i have a job interview on friday with HP |
| 09:08.24 | greyson | Any coders here? |
| 09:08.32 | mhall | to do network security R&D / whitehatting |
| 09:08.38 | mhall | greyson: ask it, maybe i can help |
| 09:08.55 | mhall | and perhaps 5 more things in the pipe |
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| 09:09.36 | greyson | Message queues... I can create one (or at least all the returns are correct, though ipcs -m doesn't show it) and the client can seemingly connect, but get "Invalid parameter" when sending. |
| 09:09.37 | liable | crackpipe? :P |
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| 09:09.45 | karsten | mhall: Sweet. Where? |
| 09:09.52 | mhall | karsten: roseville, ca |
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| 09:09.57 | karsten | mhall: Roseville, P.A.... |
| 09:09.59 | karsten | Dig. |
| 09:10.00 | mhall | greyson: POSIX? |
| 09:10.05 | greyson | Debian. |
| 09:10.12 | greyson | So... I hope so. |
| 09:10.12 | mhall | greyson: no the queue API |
| 09:10.17 | mhall | greyson: right-o |
| 09:10.38 | mhall | greyson: alright, so you checked returns, didn't get any errnoish stuff |
| 09:10.58 | greyson | msgsnd etc... I've only done queues on vxWorks in the past, on unprotected memory no less... so this is new to me. |
| 09:11.28 | greyson | Errnoish shtuff happens in the sending... but not connection or listening. |
| 09:11.35 | kevix | karsten: did you restart apache or check apache error logs? |
| 09:11.54 | peterS | kevix: he. is. not. root. |
| 09:12.07 | yos87 | how to install smb support |
| 09:12.08 | peterS | kevix: restarting apache requires some semblance of being root |
| 09:12.11 | kevix | peterS: I keep forgetting.... |
| 09:12.23 | greyson | mhall: And, by the way, thank you. I've been beating my head against this for a few hours now. |
| 09:12.55 | karsten | kevix: Which part of "read scrollback" don't you understand? |
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| 09:13.07 | karsten | kevix: ... understanding that I appreciate the help and all, but we covered that. |
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| 09:13.25 | kevix | karsten: ACK! |
| 09:13.28 | mhall | greyson: yeah let's see |
| 09:13.42 | mhall | greyson: http://www.philipp-benner.de/sources/ has some hello worldish stuff |
| 09:13.50 | mhall | greyson: i think maybe try some known to work apps |
| 09:14.00 | mhall | greyson: so if those don't work we can eliminate your code |
| 09:14.16 | mhall | greyson: additionally figure out which errno you are getting by using strerror |
| 09:14.40 | DeeJay | jm_ i figured out how to install that debian on stata |
| 09:14.41 | DeeJay | sata* |
| 09:14.45 | mhall | greyson: another useful thing is the manpages-posix and manpages-posix-dev from non-free |
| 09:14.51 | greyson | I'm using perror... and I'm seeing that these howtos are using a different system... |
| 09:14.51 | DeeJay | I just had to enable my sata controller in bios |
| 09:14.58 | mhall | greyson: these include the official POSIX call docs along with all errnos |
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| 09:15.31 | mhall | greyson: so then we can figure out which errnos are allowed |
| 09:15.41 | greyson | oh.. sorry, no, same sysetm. |
| 09:16.10 | _gpg__ | i want to learn debian and trying to install it on vmware first .. any one know a link explaining how to install it on vmware please ? |
| 09:16.18 | sts9 | dpkg: night |
| 09:16.19 | dpkg | gnight |
| 09:16.27 | sts9 | dpkg: you rule |
| 09:16.27 | dpkg | sts9: thanks |
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| 09:16.43 | mhall | greyson: also you need glibc of 12/04 and linux 2.6.6 rc1 |
| 09:16.46 | _gpg__ | i read it's not officially supported |
| 09:17.11 | kevix | karsten: what was the pwd where you put it? maybe in subdir? |
| 09:17.30 | mhall | greyson: here is a test suite you can use to make sure your mqs work |
| 09:17.36 | mhall | greyson: http://posixtest.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:18.00 | mhall | greyson: this tarball contains example code |
| 09:18.03 | mhall | greyson: http://www.geocities.com/wronski12/posix_ipc/libmqueue-4.41.tar.gz |
| 09:18.09 | peterS | mhall: wait, are you talking about posix shm? I thought he said he was using sysv shm |
| 09:18.30 | peterS | sysv shm certainly doesn't require a new kernel, it has worked ever since linux 1.2 or thereabouts |
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| 09:18.54 | mhall | peterS: *no* message queues |
| 09:19.02 | chemaja | concerning the default /etc/group file: are the group names and/or gids and their semantics taken from some standard? i realise it's probably historic, but is there a standard that unix-type systems adhere to? |
| 09:19.29 | karsten | kevix: Nope. |
| 09:19.37 | karsten | kevix: ~/public_html |
| 09:19.47 | karsten | kevix: ... where it should be. If I delete the file, I get 404. |
| 09:19.53 | peterS | mhall: oh, I totally misread that earlier |
| 09:19.55 | karsten | kevix: There's something in content that it doesn't like. |
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| 09:20.19 | kevix | karsten: what about making it .txt and see how it renders. |
| 09:20.25 | mhall | peterS: yeah if it was shm i wouldn't be helping because i haven't used it |
| 09:20.32 | bkankur | i have installed new kernel 2.6 using dpkg command. now if i want to remove the kernel. which command i should use |
| 09:20.35 | mhall | peterS: i'm a thread programmer not an shm'mer |
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| 09:20.46 | peterS | right |
| 09:20.52 | karsten | kevix: Done. |
| 09:20.58 | greyson | mhall: Well, here's the rest of the deal: ipcs -m shows a lot of message queues already created, many with my ident... so they work. The error I'm getting is EINVAL (Invalid argument or Illegal seek, depending on whether you ask perror or strerror respectively.) But, I'll bang my head on it a bit more and see if I can get anything to come out. I just figured someone might be able to say.. oh... duh, you need -lsome-f-in-ipc-lib |
| 09:21.00 | mhall | peterS: shm causes memory leaks n shit imo |
| 09:21.13 | jm_ | bkankur: why are you using dpkg? |
| 09:21.16 | greyson | (sorry, that was longer than I expected) |
| 09:21.19 | mhall | greyson: it *says* it's in libc |
| 09:21.24 | peterS | mhall: yeah really. it's pretty ugly to use properly, the only real advantage over other shm stuff is its portability to ancient unixes |
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| 09:21.43 | mhall | greyson: you better think about your inputs to the function |
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| 09:21.52 | jeeves_Moss | any one know how to push an ATI card higher than 1600x1200? |
| 09:21.54 | bkankur | jm_ i have created the kernel image and kernel header in deb.. and than installed with dpkg -i |
| 09:22.03 | mhall | greyson: and apt-get source libc6 and read the function source code |
| 09:22.19 | mhall | greyson: figure out when it sets EINVAL |
| 09:22.29 | jm_ | bkankur: ok, well use dpkg to remove it |
| 09:22.36 | mhall | greyson: Use the source, Luke! |
| 09:22.38 | karsten | kevix: That dumps raw source: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/resume.txt |
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| 09:23.16 | mhall | karsten: apply for an ms job from that domain ;-) |
| 09:23.32 | kevix | karsten: and you tried .shtml right? |
| 09:23.49 | bkankur | jm_: and using dpkg -l | grep 'kernel 2.6.8' the output as "ii kernel-image-2 custom.1.0 Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.8. ii kernel-source- 2.6.8-16sarge1 Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with D" now what i should right using dpkg |
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| 09:24.41 | bkankur | jm_: i am trying dpkg -P kernel-image-2.6.8_custom.1.0_i386 but its showing me the error that the package is not installed |
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| 09:24.49 | greyson | mhall... Okay... this *was* the duh I was expecting... The message type had to be >0 (not 0, as I had misread).. all in the man pages (which I've been staring at) |
| 09:25.09 | mhall | greyson: :-) how did you stumble into it |
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| 09:25.12 | greyson | After setting, I promptly got the segfault I was expecting. |
| 09:25.35 | mhall | greyson: segfault? *NULL or what? |
| 09:25.41 | peterS | greyson: you must have low expectations. "yay, I got the segfault I was hoping for". (: |
| 09:25.55 | greyson | mhall: Well, firstly, I knew where it was going wrong.. one call, very clear message. |
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| 09:26.22 | deadcat | i wonder if its ok to use the term "someone's bitch" on a school paper (= |
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| 09:26.39 | enkrypt | I'm having a gnome-specific question: the windowlist is behaving very strange, the size of the applications listed there keeps on shrinking and growing in a seemingly random way... is it possible to force them to use the entire space? |
| 09:26.51 | greyson | peterS: Well, okay, maybe I wasn't expecting it... per se... but it's a heck of a lot better than a normal error with seemingly no explaination ;) |
| 09:26.53 | karsten | kevix: no. Shouldn't need to. |
| 09:26.59 | peterS | deadcat: if the context involves your friend the owner of a female dog.... |
| 09:27.13 | deadcat | peterS: prison inmates |
| 09:27.16 | karsten | kevix: ... trying another tack: deleting bits of the file. Past a certain point, it works.w |
| 09:27.43 | resiak | enkrypt: Once you find out, let me know |
| 09:27.44 | kevix | karsten: so it seems to me that it is .html rendering of apache. |
| 09:27.53 | buu | deadcat: Sounds undignified. |
| 09:28.01 | deadcat | doh.. |
| 09:28.08 | benjamindees | bkankur, dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6* |
| 09:28.08 | enkrypt | resiak: :p |
| 09:28.12 | Gnea | deadcat: what school? |
| 09:28.22 | deadcat | Gnea: community college, psychology |
| 09:28.38 | enkrypt | resiak: sometimes the applications have VERY small bars, while there is lots of space so that they could be bigger! |
| 09:28.38 | kevix | karsten: is it an issue with user allowed space? like quota? |
| 09:28.41 | litage | cups says "Network host '10.0.10.200' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." for every print job. what's going on with that? |
| 09:28.45 | Gnea | deadcat: hrm, you MIGHT get away with it... |
| 09:29.14 | karsten | Had "<?p>" rather than "</p>" |
| 09:29.17 | Gnea | litage: what happens if you restart? |
| 09:29.20 | resiak | Silly karsten. |
| 09:29.29 | buu | resiak: Hello! |
| 09:29.39 | peterS | resiak: still, why is apache modifying static content on the way out the door |
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| 09:29.45 | mhall | deadcat: there are much more obfuscated and fancy ways to say it |
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| 09:29.54 | deadcat | mhall: i dont know any |
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| 09:30.01 | resiak | buu: Hello! |
| 09:30.01 | peterS | karsten: ahhh, <?p> might be parsed as ... invalid xml? some bastard child of php? |
| 09:30.06 | mhall | deadcat: 'fell victim to the capricious and arbitrary demands of s.o.' comes to mind |
| 09:30.09 | buu | resiak: My raid is working! |
| 09:30.12 | resiak | buu: Hooray! |
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| 09:30.18 | buu | resiak: Yep. All sexy now. |
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| 09:30.25 | buu | 12% full =] |
| 09:30.33 | karsten | peterS: Dunno, maybe. |
| 09:30.35 | resiak | buu: of what? |
| 09:30.41 | mhall | deadcat: 'fell victim to the euphememistically mischaracterized capricious and arbitrary demands of s.o.' comes to mind |
| 09:30.46 | deadcat | mhall: sounds weird... i am just gonna say prison inmates, instead of someone's bitch in prison |
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| 09:30.51 | peterS | karsten: anyway, I assume that fixed it. very odd problem. |
| 09:30.51 | buu | resiak: Um.. software.. back.. ups |
| 09:30.57 | bkankur | benjamindees: thank you .. i got the package name its "kernel-image-2.6.8" and i hve used "dpkg -P kernel-image-2.6.8" and its work for me |
| 09:30.58 | resiak | buu: Handy |
| 09:31.03 | buu | resiak: Yeah =] |
| 09:31.04 | jondo | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade libc6 and apt is telling me that I need to remove e2fsprogs using APT::Force-LoopBreak?? |
| 09:31.04 | mhall | deadcat: oh, different context from what i thought you meant |
| 09:31.06 | greyson | Ah... much better... all works fine now :D User 'Grimalkin' logged in with password 'Sanctum Seclorum' -- I feel much better thank you #debian and mhall. |
| 09:31.12 | mhall | deadcat: i thought you meant more generally |
| 09:31.20 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:31.23 | mhall | greyson: what does this soft. do? |
| 09:31.27 | karsten | peterS: It did. |
| 09:31.42 | Gnea | greyson: ...you put verbose passwords in syslog? |
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| 09:32.05 | greyson | Gnea: No, I put them on the console... if you're going to show a password, you might as well go all the way ;) |
| 09:32.06 | karsten | peterS: There was a confounding bug: this is part of my resume build system. Tidy runs, but I'd goofed the build deps so that parts were happening before tidy happened. So the glitch wasn't getting fixed. |
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| 09:32.20 | kevix | karsten: would 'tidy' help? |
| 09:32.32 | peterS | kevix: ha, read the line he just wrote |
| 09:32.34 | peterS | karsten: aha |
| 09:32.37 | karsten | kevix: I just said that it did ;-) |
| 09:32.38 | Gnea | greyson: interesting. |
| 09:32.45 | mhall | greyson: so did the manpage packages help |
| 09:32.51 | greyson | mhall: I'm helping my brother with his aspiration to be a game programmer... I'm more comfortable with networking, so I'm setting up a framework that he can use safely, without too much threading issuse. |
| 09:32.56 | resiak | Hmmm, that's an original security policy. |
| 09:32.57 | karsten | kevix: If I ever need someone to remind me of everything I've just been talking about.... |
| 09:33.00 | litage | Gnea: restart cups or the print job? |
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| 09:33.02 | karsten | kevix: ... can I rent you for a few hours? |
| 09:33.07 | Gnea | litage: cups |
| 09:33.09 | greyson | mhall: Yeah, the same one I've been staring at for a good long time. |
| 09:33.12 | Nigromante | Hello, I have a problem with SoundBlaster Audigy in debian Etch (testing), kernel 2.6.12. I have no input from Line in / Mic. Everything else is correct. Can anyone help me? |
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| 09:33.55 | kevix | karsten: I realize you fixed the markup x-) I was suggesting that using tidy might have saved you pulling out your hair next time. |
| 09:34.01 | litage | Gnea: after cups restarts, the print job's status stays the same |
| 09:34.21 | Gnea | litage: what printer is it? |
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| 09:34.31 | karsten | kevix: It would have there *anyway*. Tidy runs as part of my build. Actually, it should have either fixed the error or thrown a bug (and stopped make). |
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| 09:34.59 | kevix | karsten: them... a bug report on tidy! |
| 09:35.13 | peterS | kevix: no, reread what he wrote |
| 09:35.15 | litage | Gnea: HP Color LaserJet 2820 |
| 09:35.21 | deadcat | whats the spell check package for oo.o? it cant detech possitive )= |
| 09:35.24 | peterS | kevix: once again this will involve your PgUp key |
| 09:35.52 | karsten | peterS: He may actually have a point *this* time. |
| 09:35.59 | karsten | peterS: ... tidy didn't throw a bug. |
| 09:36.00 | greyson | Gnea: And just for the security savvy, I'm fully intending to use SHA, or some such on passwords, and not display even the resulting hash. |
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| 09:36.19 | Gnea | litage: what happens if you unplug the printer? |
| 09:36.21 | peterS | karsten: I thought you said that was because it was running at the wrong part of your build process |
| 09:36.25 | greyson | Gnea: After all, I am friends with Rivest and Diffie, I have a rep to uphold! |
| 09:36.34 | greyson | Anyway, I'm out all, thanks again. |
| 09:36.36 | karsten | peterS: It's running. It should have errored. It didn't. |
| 09:36.37 | kevix | karsten: if you tag has a ? in it, it may have tought it was php? |
| 09:36.41 | Gnea | litage: greyson who? |
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| 09:36.44 | karsten | kevix: Could be. |
| 09:36.49 | peterS | namedropper |
| 09:36.52 | Gnea | oops |
| 09:37.09 | Gnea | what a llama |
| 09:37.15 | litage | Gnea: actually, i just noticed that i can't telnet into port 9100 on the printer... |
| 09:37.26 | kevix | Greatred: SHA-256? |
| 09:37.30 | mhall | Gnea: lol you'd think a friend of those guys wouldn't have issues with a posix manpage |
| 09:37.34 | Gnea | litage: is that usb or parrellel? |
| 09:37.47 | Gnea | mhall: again, who are they? |
| 09:38.01 | mhall | Gnea Rivest is R in RSA |
| 09:38.04 | peterS | Gnea: have you heard of the RSA algorithm? |
| 09:38.10 | mhall | Gnea: Diffie is D in DH key exchange |
| 09:38.12 | peterS | Gnea: have you heard of Diffie-Hellman handshakes? |
| 09:38.14 | litage | Gnea: network |
| 09:38.14 | Gnea | OIC |
| 09:38.22 | rhalff | Hi, anyone can point me to some docs on how to only start the xserver and nothing else |
| 09:38.26 | karsten | peterS: I like redrick's line. He was at a dinner with Whit Diffie and John Gilmore. He ended up with a set of car keys and an MRI cranial scan, in the course of the evening. |
| 09:38.33 | karsten | peterS: ... and of course had to comment... |
| 09:38.38 | kevix | rhalff: X |
| 09:38.38 | mhall | peterS: DH is some seriously cool shit |
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| 09:38.46 | karsten | peterS: "I've got Diffie's key and John Gillmore's brain". |
| 09:38.54 | peterS | karsten: haha |
| 09:38.56 | rhalff | kevix, I mean starting X without a window manager |
| 09:39.03 | kevix | rhalff: X |
| 09:39.06 | karsten | rhalff: X |
| 09:39.12 | Gnea | litage: ah, reset the printer... or powercycle |
| 09:39.19 | rhalff | kevix, that will start my default window manager |
| 09:39.28 | karsten | rhalff: No it won't. |
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| 09:39.32 | kevix | rhalff: have you tried it? |
| 09:39.40 | karsten | rhalff: ... and if it does, something's markedly wrong. |
| 09:39.41 | rhalff | karsten, ok I'll be back :) |
| 09:39.56 | benjamindees | my openoffice detects possitive, *shrug* |
| 09:40.56 | rhalff | karsten, ok It works :) |
| 09:41.00 | peterS | Gnea: yeah so in short, whitfield diffie and ron rivest are probably among the half dozen most famous crypto researchers in the world. diffie works at Sun, don't know where rivest works now |
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| 09:41.05 | e-doll | ? |
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| 09:41.14 | liable | ! |
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| 09:41.54 | litage | Gnea: hah, thanks. it's been so long since i switched from windows, i forgot all about that method of fixing things =P |
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| 09:42.25 | rredd4 | tralala: can i send you my log |
| 09:42.28 | e-doll | ? |
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| 09:43.37 | Gnea | litage: no problem :) |
| 09:43.41 | kevix | rredd4: do you use fedex? |
| 09:43.51 | rredd4 | lol |
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| 09:44.27 | karsten | rhalff: I know ;-) |
| 09:44.44 | rredd4 | can someone please look at my syslog and tell me why my modem is not staying connected? |
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| 09:44.52 | kevix | rredd4: I find it funny that when folks use send instead of email or saw instead of read. but that's just me! |
| 09:45.20 | kevix | rredd4: can you paste it to #flood? |
| 09:45.30 | rredd4 | yes |
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| 09:45.56 | mhall | peterS: which one of em was the hippie |
| 09:46.01 | mhall | peterS: D or H |
| 09:46.07 | peterS | mhall: I have no idea |
| 09:46.12 | rredd4 | kevix: can i really do that.. u there yet? |
| 09:46.20 | karsten | kevix: paster would be better. |
| 09:46.28 | karsten | kevix: ... if it's any length. |
| 09:46.34 | konfuzed | hmmmmm |
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| 09:47.02 | konfuzed | naaahhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnn |
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| 09:47.27 | konfuzed | uhtested a strange test |
| 09:47.47 | kevix | rredd4: I've been logged in for hours! |
| 09:47.55 | Gnea | konfuzed: ? |
| 09:48.05 | rredd4 | into #flood.. don't c u |
| 09:48.29 | rredd4 | the file is 2.47kb |
| 09:48.46 | weissi | rredd4: then use paster |
| 09:48.51 | Gnea | !tell rredd4 -about paster |
| 09:49.37 | kevix | rredd4: could you cut out the unneed bits? |
| 09:49.52 | kurtak | Where would you look for packages that aren't coming up w/ apt-cache. I'm looking for the cpp mips compiler - mipsel-linux=g++ |
| 09:50.12 | kurtak | i mean mipsel-linux-g++ |
| 09:50.24 | peterS | kurtak: install toolchain-source and build it yourself |
| 09:50.27 | weissi | kurtak: you could try apt-get.org |
| 09:50.49 | rredd4 | kevix: its in paster |
| 09:51.04 | peterS | kurtak: that's the purpose of toolchain-source, so that all possible permutations of cross-compilers don't have to be shipped in debian |
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| 09:51.29 | kurtak | peterS, weissi: thanks guys! |
| 09:51.56 | saloxin | where do i find packages for woody? i need libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 :-/ |
| 09:52.09 | kevix | !tell kevix -about paster |
| 09:52.31 | tralala | rredd4: /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:52.45 | ma3x | Gnea, can you advise me for hdd related stuff? |
| 09:52.47 | tralala | btw I don't need the whole log - only the ppp lines |
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| 09:53.02 | cryonv | Hey guys... I want to mount my ntfs drive and have it available for my users to access. How do I do this in the fstab? |
| 09:53.05 | peterS | saloxin: woody packages are still available on ftp.debian.org. I'd advise going through http://packages.debian.org/ but that is currently down |
| 09:53.15 | rredd4 | tralala: i pasted it to paster |
| 09:53.17 | saloxin | ack, thanks |
| 09:53.29 | rredd4 | i got this message from debug: Failed to authenticate ourselves to peer |
| 09:53.33 | peterS | saloxin: anyway, you can go to http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ and poke around until you find libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 |
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| 09:53.46 | peterS | saloxin: I think it's shipped in an old gcc source package, so look under g/gcc-*/ |
| 09:54.17 | tralala | rredd4: give me the url then |
| 09:54.23 | kevix | rredd4: I need a url... |
| 09:54.36 | rredd4 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 09:54.58 | peterS | rredd4: not that, the one with the number at the end |
| 09:55.01 | rredd4 | From: "rredd4" at 207.69.139.7 |
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| 09:55.22 | rredd4 | lol |
| 09:55.26 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.27 | peterS | / \ |
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| 09:56.11 | kevix | saloxin: in unstable I see libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 09:56.28 | tralala | rredd4: you can't get anything if you don't give the url |
| 09:56.34 | weissi | kevix: rredd4 means http://channels.debian.net/paste/1719 |
| 09:56.45 | rredd4 | looking |
| 09:56.47 | peterS | kevix: not helpful, there's a reason the package was renamed |
| 09:56.47 | rredd4 | sory |
| 09:57.08 | weissi | rredd4: "PAP authentication failed", your username/passwd combination is wrong! |
| 09:57.10 | rredd4 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1719. |
| 09:57.27 | kevix | peterS: I figured that since unstable had the next version x-) |
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| 09:57.39 | saloxin | kevix: this is for old commercial app.. i tried that on and it barfs. the pkg is dropped from sarge, so i need the woody .deb |
| 09:57.42 | rredd4 | weissi: thats how i log into peoplepc with windows |
| 09:57.57 | peterS | saloxin: I don't think that package was shipped in woody. google for 'archive.debian.org mirror' and find a mirror of archive.debian.org then look in the potato directory structure |
| 09:58.02 | kevix | peterS: you may have luck on snapshot.debian.net |
| 09:58.56 | weissi | rredd4: do you want to connect from linux with a modem to windows? |
| 09:59.05 | rredd4 | no |
| 09:59.10 | rredd4 | to isp |
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| 09:59.39 | rredd4 | to not use win... someday |
| 09:59.43 | tralala | rredd4: "noname" is this really your username@the_isp? |
| 09:59.45 | rredd4 | change to debian forever |
| 09:59.49 | kevix | rredd4: did you edit the transcript to say 'noname' or is that the correct username? |
| 09:59.54 | rredd4 | yes |
| 10:00.00 | __max_ | Anyone know any good software for monitoring many servers processes and system status that can be reached via 1 combined webpage ? |
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| 10:00.12 | weissi | rredd4: sure, username="noname" ?? |
| 10:00.14 | rredd4 | it is not the correct name |
| 10:00.16 | saloxin | __max_: munin |
| 10:00.31 | rredd4 | i edited it |
| 10:00.42 | __max_ | thanks |
| 10:00.48 | rredd4 | just that line.. |
| 10:01.05 | rredd4 | did not figure it was that important to u |
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| 10:01.44 | tralala | rredd4: it isn't as long as you're sure that you've typed the *correct* username and password |
| 10:01.48 | weissi | rredd4: then edit /etc/ppp/pap-secrets, or use pppconfig to do it |
| 10:02.13 | rredd4 | weissi: i did use pppconfig |
| 10:02.21 | rredd4 | thats how i set it up |
| 10:02.39 | rredd4 | tralala: its correct |
| 10:02.54 | rredd4 | there was something about ogin: and login: |
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| 10:03.10 | rredd4 | and ssword: and password: |
| 10:03.10 | weissi | rredd4: then paste your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and anonymize your passwd! (to #flood, without lines beginning with #) |
| 10:03.23 | rredd4 | k |
| 10:03.35 | rredd4 | brb |
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| 10:04.27 | tiny | If I run several OSes with a virtual machine, is it possible to mount one disk partition (lets say for /home) from those OSes. |
| 10:05.16 | kevix | saloxin: maybe you can use 2.10 and make simlinks ? |
| 10:05.31 | Shadowcat | tiny: that depends entirely on the virtual machine |
| 10:05.32 | peterS | kevix: no, you can't |
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| 10:05.44 | rredd4 | weissi: do not c pap-secrets.. i c provider in peers... |
| 10:05.51 | benjamindees | tiny, sure, fat32, but I wouldn't recommend /home |
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| 10:05.56 | peterS | kevix: very unlikely to work, there are multiple good reasons the library was renamed |
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| 10:06.13 | weissi | rredd4: is c == see ? |
| 10:06.21 | rredd4 | yes |
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| 10:06.32 | tiny | benjamindees: I was trying to spear some hard disk space. I would run 2 or 3 linux distros and a couple of BSDs. |
| 10:06.42 | saloxin | kevix: tried that |
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| 10:07.00 | Shadowcat | tiny: look, if you want to experiment with different distros, go buy yourself some extra hd space |
| 10:07.01 | tralala | rredd4: /etc/ppp/pap-secrets, it's there |
| 10:07.03 | saloxin | hah found it in potato oldlibs. man this must be o l d |
| 10:07.07 | Shadowcat | oh and preferably some ram |
| 10:07.11 | Shadowcat | experimentation is expensive |
| 10:07.16 | Shadowcat | and there's no getting around that |
| 10:07.16 | kevix | saloxin: would I be correct that this is a binary-only propriety app? |
| 10:07.17 | weissi | rredd4: then `echo '"<username>" * "<password>"' >> /etc/ppp/pap-secrets` |
| 10:07.40 | benjamindees | tiny, oh well you could share /home with a proper fs like ext2 but it'd be a pain |
| 10:08.00 | Shadowcat | actually sharing /home would be a REALLY stupid idea |
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| 10:08.14 | Shadowcat | especially if the distros don't use the same syntax in their config files |
| 10:08.36 | Shadowcat | benjamindees: no, just make sure your uids and gids match |
| 10:08.37 | saloxin | kevix: yup. trend VirusWall. i voted for kaspersky but no luck |
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| 10:08.55 | Shadowcat | the main problem is when KDE 3.5 comes along and edits a file, then KDE 3.2 comes along and says WTF |
| 10:08.58 | rredd4 | weissi: k, i am in winxp now, have to log into debian.. then brb.. my win program that lets me look at my linux partition does not see pap-secrets, i guess |
| 10:09.06 | Shadowcat | because not all systems have KDE 3.5 |
| 10:09.32 | kevix | saloxin: using an app more than 2 years old and its source can not be debugged. great! |
| 10:09.46 | e-doll | i used to experiment in vmware www.vmware.com |
| 10:09.46 | tralala | rredd4: are you using some special software in windows to connect? |
| 10:09.47 | Shadowcat | kevix: sounds like AOL to me |
| 10:09.50 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 10:10.02 | Shadowcat | e-doll: vmware is a ram and hd hog |
| 10:10.06 | weissi | rredd4: it's normally read/write-only by root, perhaps it's the case your win-prog does not see it. |
| 10:10.10 | rredd4 | tralala: yes to see my linux partition |
| 10:10.23 | Shadowcat | the ONLY reason I got 4gb of ram on my main machine is because I used to run a mini-vmware virtual network back in the day |
| 10:10.36 | bendee | lol |
| 10:10.36 | e-doll | yes, it is. i have that on my linux, is there something else out there i can use Shadowcat? |
| 10:10.43 | Shadowcat | host machine used 1gb, the rest was split up into 6x512 |
| 10:10.47 | rredd4 | tralala: helps me to not have to reboot all of the time |
| 10:10.53 | Shadowcat | e-doll: a new box? |
| 10:11.02 | e-doll | 2 years |
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| 10:11.10 | e-doll | amd |
| 10:11.11 | saloxin | kevix: tell me about it. it's the one we have a license for :-( |
| 10:11.12 | Shadowcat | as I said, experimentation is expensive |
| 10:11.22 | tiny | Shadowcat: what VM do you recommend? XEN? |
| 10:11.22 | tralala | rredd4: I'm asking for the dialup connection. |
| 10:11.24 | Shadowcat | whether it's on a real machine or virtual |
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| 10:11.37 | rredd4 | ?/ |
| 10:11.39 | Shadowcat | tiny: look, if you're trying to cut corners with virtual machines, FORGET it |
| 10:11.39 | rredd4 | ?? |
| 10:11.53 | Shadowcat | what you are doing is by nature VERY resource consuming |
| 10:11.57 | jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: hows it going? |
| 10:12.21 | weissi | rredd4: do you use any special programs in winxp to connect to your ppp-connection, or do you use the program of the winxp-distribution ? |
| 10:12.22 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: tiny here wants to cut corners while experimenting with different distros |
| 10:12.22 | kevix | saloxin: i guess somefolks like 'a license' vs one of those 'open source' free thingys?! maybe they read MS FUD? |
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| 10:12.49 | rredd4 | weissi: i use people pc software |
| 10:12.51 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: so what your saying is I can join grilling him? |
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| 10:13.07 | weissi | rredd4: what is "people pc" software ? |
| 10:13.29 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: pretty much |
| 10:13.30 | rredd4 | weissi: people pc is my isp |
| 10:13.46 | jeeves_Moss | Tiny: so, you want to be a cheap ass? Is that what I hear? |
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| 10:13.51 | rredd4 | weissi: there software provided to me to connect to there isp |
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| 10:14.08 | Shadowcat | I tried putting it nicely, but ya that's what it boils down with |
| 10:14.10 | Shadowcat | I'll be blunt |
| 10:14.11 | weissi | rredd4: ahh, do they have a website? |
| 10:14.12 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: hehe .. no man .. I just hate rebooting my machine everytime I change OS |
| 10:14.16 | memic | which packge is needed for ssi in apache2? |
| 10:14.22 | Shadowcat | I've been in the edu business since I've been six years old |
| 10:14.28 | Shadowcat | and if there's one thing I've learned |
| 10:14.29 | memic | i just find a apache 1.3 pakage |
| 10:14.29 | kevix | rredd4: I have earthlink. they have no linux software. I use 'pon'. |
| 10:14.30 | rredd4 | looking.. brb |
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| 10:14.36 | Shadowcat | it's that in this business, it never pays to be cheap |
| 10:14.38 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I've got an annoying friend who wants to learn a dDoS, and sudgestions on web sites? I'd like to run a dDoS here on my network as a "proof of concept" |
| 10:14.38 | mad_jack | how can i run an app so it's not killed when i log off |
| 10:14.42 | Shadowcat | it always comes back to biting you in the end |
| 10:14.51 | rredd4 | kevix: hmmmm |
| 10:14.55 | rredd4 | brb |
| 10:14.59 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: I have a very good deterrant against that, I demonstrate on them |
| 10:15.05 | memic | mad_jack: man screen |
| 10:15.07 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: and I control around 20 100mbps connections |
| 10:15.08 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: go get a good box (2.4Ghz, 1-2Gb RAM), spend some $$ on VMWare, and stuff it. |
| 10:15.19 | mad_jack | thanks memic |
| 10:15.23 | Shadowcat | so basically, they get the point |
| 10:15.34 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: I've spent some $$ on VMWare and I have a 1.5 GB RAM |
| 10:15.43 | Shadowcat | 1.5gb of ram is small potatoes |
| 10:15.49 | Shadowcat | remember, I got 4gb |
| 10:15.57 | Shadowcat | and I can gobble that up in an instant |
| 10:16.05 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I know, I just want to show him how frickin' hard it is to 0wn a system thats fairly well gaurded. I know he dosen't know enough to be a thret to my systems. |
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| 10:16.18 | Shadowcat | try simulating a Windows Server 2003 Active Directory domain sometime, it kills you |
| 10:16.29 | weissi | rredd4: I found their site, you don't need the software... |
| 10:16.33 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: apart from the fact that any two bit admin knows how to null route these days? |
| 10:16.47 | Shadowcat | iptables -A INPUT -s <source> -j DROP |
| 10:17.00 | Shadowcat | BINGO, your ddos is screwed |
| 10:17.13 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I was sudgestiong a few GB of RAM to get him STARTED. I don't think he'll be pulling up an enterprize network on a 486. LOL. I can sim 4 2K3 boxes clustered on my 3.4Ghz, 1Gb RAM |
| 10:17.18 | rredd4 | weissi: for linux?.. use it in windows |
| 10:17.25 | weissi | rredd4: boot to debian and look in you /etc/ppp/pap-secrets |
| 10:17.31 | rredd4 | k |
| 10:17.40 | rredd4 | what should i look for |
| 10:17.40 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: its more of "proof of concept" so I can pop his ego. |
| 10:17.42 | weissi | rredd4: you don't need the software for linux/windows ! you _CAN_ use it |
| 10:17.43 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: ya but you won't be able to do anything remotely resource intensive with that setup |
| 10:17.55 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: ping -i 0 then |
| 10:18.04 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: that's the classic ddos |
| 10:18.20 | jeeves_Moss | Tiny: WTF are you looking @ running for OSes? (sorry, I came late to the chat) |
| 10:18.26 | Shadowcat | but any admin who deserves the title nullroutes icmp by default anyway |
| 10:18.37 | Shadowcat | I know I do |
| 10:18.42 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I'll fraggle ya. LOL.. come on down to fraggle rock!!! |
| 10:18.42 | weissi | rredd4: for something like '"noname" * "password"', and if it's really emtpy, execute this command: `echo '"<username>" * "<password>"' >> /etc/ppp/pap-secrets` (replace <username> and <password> by your settings |
| 10:19.11 | rredd4 | k |
| 10:19.17 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: nothing much ... just to get to know them better and sometimes I still need MS windows. |
| 10:19.30 | jeeves_Moss | how often do you need windows? |
| 10:19.44 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: not many times ... once a month |
| 10:20.00 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: ok, so what do you plan on running as your "base" system? |
| 10:20.11 | rredd4 | weissi: do i use the * character? |
| 10:20.12 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: debian or gentoo |
| 10:20.22 | jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: Fraggle, Fraggle, Fraggle, SMURF!!!! |
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| 10:20.40 | resiak | Shadowcat: nullrouting pings is harmful |
| 10:20.41 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: and your looking @ playing with what OSs again? |
| 10:20.57 | kevix | tiny: is there any app to replace what you use in m$ or is it that there is not a good enought app? |
| 10:21.25 | rredd4 | weissi: like this echo noname password /etc/ppp/pap-secrets ? |
| 10:21.29 | jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: better watch out for poppa smurf and the ping of death... LOL fraggle, fraggle, fraggle, ROCK! |
| 10:21.46 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: it would be prolly Suse, Debian, Gentoo and a couple of BSDs |
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| 10:21.49 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: umm I nullroute icmp |
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| 10:22.01 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: ping floods don't hurt me, at all |
| 10:22.28 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: My sudgestion, run Debian as your base (don't be expecting to run M$ for games though), and run VMWare on top of it. |
| 10:22.29 | tiny | kevix: no there isn't ... no worries about it .. I can fire up vmware for windoze |
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| 10:22.44 | tiny | What about XEN? |
| 10:22.46 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: awww, you don't like fraggls and dozers? |
| 10:22.51 | tiny | People say it's fast |
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| 10:23.09 | tiny | XEN paper http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/papers/2003-xensosp.pdf |
| 10:23.17 | kevix | rredd4: echo "'myusername' * 'mypassword'" > /etc/ppp/pap-secrets |
| 10:23.31 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: XEN? Haven't heard of it. Give me a sec. I'll dig up my Linuz Journal from last month. beb. |
| 10:23.43 | kevix | tiny: and it wont run in wine or cedega ? |
| 10:24.04 | rredd4 | kevix: thanks |
| 10:24.08 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: wine and VMWare arn't any were close. |
| 10:24.12 | rredd4 | brb |
| 10:24.32 | tiny | kevix: to be frank I haven't tried it yet .. but when my coleges bought vmware I told them to buy a copy for me also |
| 10:24.55 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: I hope your wife wasen't expecting anything expensive for a while. LOL |
| 10:25.09 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: hehe |
| 10:25.31 | weissi | rredd4: sorry, had a disconnect, does it work?? |
| 10:25.35 | benjamindees | tiny, how much space are we talking about really? you can test out a distro with just a few gigs... |
| 10:25.39 | jeeves_Moss | Tiny: Linux Journal, Jan 2006, page 48 |
| 10:25.56 | Shadowcat | benjamindees: a distro should install on around 5gb |
| 10:26.04 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: thanks I'll dig it up in my copy |
| 10:26.06 | Shadowcat | but if you want to do anything on it, say compile a kernel, you need a few more |
| 10:26.12 | Shadowcat | the real killer emulating machines is ram |
| 10:26.15 | Shadowcat | you need LOTS OF IT |
| 10:26.15 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: this artical is only for playing windows games in Linux though. Not running a totaly differen't OS |
| 10:26.22 | benjamindees | Shadowcat, yeah, yeah, and I need 4 gigs of ram too I suppose... |
| 10:26.24 | Shadowcat | and when I say LOTS, I mean LOTS |
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| 10:26.37 | Shadowcat | benjamindees: if you want to run more than one at the same time, yes |
| 10:26.45 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: ahh .. well for gaming I do reboot .. haven't played in a while |
| 10:26.46 | benjamindees | somehow I manage to size my own systems properly thanks |
| 10:26.49 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: must be nice to have $$. I'm still eating pasta because I'm POOR!!! LOL |
| 10:27.02 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: Tiny: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/320 |
| 10:27.04 | tiny | benjamindees: I have a 120GB HD |
| 10:27.06 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: wtf I go install network at rich people's houses |
| 10:27.17 | Shadowcat | I route cables at two in the morning to earn my keep |
| 10:27.27 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: from my personal experiance, run VMWare, its less buggy, its WELL doccumented and supported. |
| 10:27.37 | Shadowcat | and I usually have enough spare cable to hang anyone trying to burgle me |
| 10:27.45 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: ok mate .. thank you |
| 10:28.08 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: yea, I did that for a while, got pissed off, opened my own compnay doing that, and then bought out my previous employer. Then got SCREWED by my ex wife. |
| 10:28.10 | tiny | kevix: that link is 404 |
| 10:28.18 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: np. Thats what we're here for. |
| 10:28.32 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: haha |
| 10:29.01 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: Alamony, the screwing you GET for the screwing you GOT. |
| 10:29.03 | kevix | tiny: huh.... maybe I misspelled it. it works for me. |
| 10:29.29 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: Tiny: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/320 sorry! misspelled! |
| 10:29.30 | tiny | kevix: The page you were looking for could not be found |
| 10:29.34 | Shadowcat | !spell alamony |
| 10:29.35 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 10:29.43 | Shadowcat | hmmm |
| 10:29.44 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 10:29.53 | Shadowcat | ~spell alamony |
| 10:29.54 | kevix | tiny: s/article/articles/ |
| 10:30.01 | Shadowcat | there we go |
| 10:30.11 | tiny | kevix: got it |
| 10:30.14 | jeeves_Moss | apt: time to lay of the green fary buddy. |
| 10:30.20 | jeeves_Moss | apt: fairy |
| 10:30.33 | Shadowcat | apt is a bot |
| 10:30.38 | kevix | tiny: the author of the site and the article maintaines the xen-tool in debian. |
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| 10:30.47 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: I'm a little annoyed that I didden't get more of a laugh from that. |
| 10:30.58 | jeeves_Moss | !confuse shadowcat |
| 10:30.58 | dpkg | No, how are our ferret today, shadowcat? lederhosen of the people's republic of mongolia with extra herring |
| 10:31.14 | jeeves_Moss | !taunt tiny |
| 10:31.14 | dpkg | looks at tiny's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 10:31.17 | Shadowcat | !yawn |
| 10:31.17 | dpkg | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 10:31.40 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: hehe |
| 10:31.42 | jeeves_Moss | !taunt adlr |
| 10:31.42 | dpkg | looks at adlr's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 10:31.56 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: yea, screwing with the bots are fun |
| 10:32.01 | jeeves_Moss | !confuse apt |
| 10:32.02 | dpkg | No, where is my ferret yesterday, apt? shirts of the monarchy of tibet with extra cream |
| 10:32.10 | kevix | !beer me |
| 10:32.27 | resiak | s/Jever/Java/ |
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| 10:32.47 | allaoua | hello |
| 10:32.49 | Shadowcat | damnit |
| 10:32.50 | jeeves_Moss | all: ok, I think there is a few gree fairys loose in here. I know I've got one sitting on the corner of my screen. Or mabey its this green liquid I'm drinking. |
| 10:33.07 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: absinthe! |
| 10:33.08 | tiny | jeeves_Moss: where do I find commands for bot? |
| 10:33.18 | jeeves_Moss | *: hey!!!! why don't I rock Google as well? |
| 10:33.20 | Shadowcat | do you have any idea of how hard it is to use that search engine after they censored the Chinese version |
| 10:33.24 | dondelelcaro | gree? I think that's a grue. You should start running. Now. |
| 10:33.27 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: you know it. |
| 10:33.30 | Shadowcat | I'm in China on a trip, and I can't even do a bloody search |
| 10:33.51 | resiak | use elgoog! |
| 10:33.59 | kevix | Shadowcat: have the chinese heard of an open proxy? |
| 10:34.00 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: it's not like the chinese version isn't censored anyway |
| 10:34.12 | resiak | k |
| 10:34.21 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: didden't we bomb the fuck outta them in the 70s? |
| 10:34.28 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: right now I would be grateful for getting to a page period |
| 10:34.33 | dondelelcaro | (or that you'd be able to get to those results without a proxy...) |
| 10:34.33 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: its a fun way to screw with your fiance's family. |
| 10:34.36 | Shadowcat | I'm getting a blank page as it is |
| 10:34.48 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: hey, it's the state of the internet when you try to block things... you break it. |
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| 10:35.13 | jeeves_Moss | tiny: you just have to stick around and read. cause if I do a !taunt kevix... |
| 10:35.16 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: oh I thought that was just Microsoft tinkering with tcp/ip again </sarcasm> |
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| 10:35.19 | jeeves_Moss | !taunt Kevix |
| 10:35.19 | dpkg | looks at Kevix's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 10:35.22 | Shadowcat | ya I know, that was weak |
| 10:35.35 | Shadowcat | dondelelcaro: you know what really pisses me off though |
| 10:35.48 | Shadowcat | it takes me shorter time to vnc back home, and load www.imdb.com |
| 10:35.52 | Shadowcat | on a 5k wifi connection |
| 10:35.52 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: hasen't Bill finaly relized that a good % of this group tonight woulf gladly kick him? |
| 10:36.01 | Shadowcat | than it takes for me load the bloody site directly |
| 10:36.15 | Shadowcat | and my server is half way across the world in Europe |
| 10:36.22 | jeeves_Moss | ShadowCat: I told you, get into the hardware buddy. |
| 10:37.15 | jeeves_Moss | ShadowCat: I read somewhere that you can get almost half an AMP out of PoE. Thats SCARY. |
| 10:37.30 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: did you on boingboing.net about the oed site that suposed to block non-uk ip's from using it? |
| 10:37.45 | Shadowcat | PoE? |
| 10:38.23 | kevix | Power over ethernet ! |
| 10:38.35 | jeeves_Moss | kevix:, no never heard that. |
| 10:38.36 | Shadowcat | oh |
| 10:38.41 | Shadowcat | oh well... big deal |
| 10:38.48 | jeeves_Moss | ShadowCat: PoE = Power over Ethernet |
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| 10:39.06 | kevix | Shadowcat: you take the grounding shield of ethernet and at power to it, IIRC. |
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| 10:39.56 | jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: I was thinking of making a RSS moduel that you can preprogram with what ever (via a small embedded web page on the device) that runs on PoE and is a simple 4x20backlight LCD that plays RSS feeds |
| 10:40.18 | Shadowcat | heh good luck |
| 10:40.33 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: its actuly the blue lines. Most people use them to run telephone with ethernet. Works well for Miridian phone systems. |
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| 10:40.47 | jeeves_Moss | All: any one here like Toshiba? |
| 10:41.05 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: there exists some embedded systems with lcd displays that run debian. |
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| 10:41.28 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: I know, but its not designed and built by ME!! thats the whole point. |
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| 10:42.12 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: well you'd at least chose the os and software. do you design embedded stuff? |
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| 10:42.30 | jeeves_Moss | all: PLEASE go to http://toshiba-hell.blogspot.com I NEED as may people to leave comments on this blog. Toshiba is watching it, along with a few media outlets. I NEED exposure and COMMENTS on it. The more comments, the more will get done! |
| 10:42.41 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: I'm slowly learning how to do embedded stuff. |
| 10:42.57 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: go check out my blog please. I need comments on it. |
| 10:43.21 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: I subscribe to the toshiba-linux mailing list. is your blog related to running linux on toshibas? |
| 10:43.45 | dds | anyone here use evolution with mbox files? |
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| 10:44.07 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: LOL, thats the LEAST of my worries. Go have a read please, and COMMENT on it. the more people I get, the more Toshiba will move. Dell got SCREWED by some one blogging about his CRAPtop |
| 10:44.11 | kevix | dds: evolution USES mbox. |
| 10:44.29 | dds | I've got procmail already sorting my mail and I want to make evolution's junk mail box read from the mbox file procmail is putting it all in. |
| 10:44.36 | pontus | I have a problem with mounted ext3 partitions and native language support. Basically, the nls_8859-15 module i insert with insmod is not used and I can't see certain characters (specificaly åäö). Do I need to remount my ext3 partitions? |
| 10:45.18 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: did you read it? |
| 10:45.22 | dds | kevix: of course, sorry I wasn't finished. |
| 10:45.28 | jeeves_Moss | Shadowcat: are ya readin' it? |
| 10:45.32 | kevix | dds: create a new mail box in evo. then replace the file with a simlink to the mbox. |
| 10:45.42 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: getting to it... |
| 10:45.48 | dds | I'm a long time gnus user trying out evo for the first time in years. |
| 10:46.04 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: make sure you read from the START of it. Its kinda funny. (typical pissed off college guy) |
| 10:46.05 | dds | kevix: is that the only way? I'd like to know if there is a setting for it anywhere. |
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| 10:46.59 | jeeves_Moss | !taunt apt |
| 10:47.00 | dpkg | looks at apt's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 10:47.07 | jeeves_Moss | !taunt dpkg |
| 10:47.07 | dpkg | looks at dpkg's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 10:47.17 | jeeves_Moss | !confuse apt |
| 10:47.18 | dpkg | Yes, those was my hamster tomorrow, apt? trousers of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 10:47.21 | jeeves_Moss | !confuse dpkg |
| 10:47.21 | dpkg | No, them was our badger yesterday, dpkg? trousers of the people's republic of belarus with extra crabpaste |
| 10:47.52 | jeeves_Moss | all: I think those two are makin' love to the green fairy. |
| 10:48.50 | jeeves_Moss | All: <jumnps around acting like a retarted 6th grader> come on guys, say something. |
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| 10:49.05 | jeeves_Moss | !slap apt |
| 10:49.16 | liable | stop fucking with the bot |
| 10:49.16 | jeeves_Moss | !insult dpkg |
| 10:49.18 | dpkg | dpkg is nothing but a tastless half-mouthful of lumpish poopy |
| 10:49.32 | jeeves_Moss | !insult liable |
| 10:49.33 | dpkg | liable is nothing but a flap-mouthed bucket of pointy-nosed waffle-house grits |
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| 10:50.12 | jeeves_Moss | !abuse liable |
| 10:50.20 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: just because you are a retarded 6th grader doesn't mean you should behave like one on the internet |
| 10:50.25 | liable | retard |
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| 10:50.34 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: if you just keep your fucking keyboard unplugged, nobody would even know |
| 10:50.36 | jeeves_Moss | !insult liable |
| 10:50.37 | Gnea | !ops jeeves_Moss is abusing the bot |
| 10:50.37 | dpkg | liable is nothing but a common-kissing assload of petrified jizzum |
| 10:50.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jeeves_Moss is abusing the bot |
| 10:51.12 | jeeves_Moss | all: oh come on. you guys arn't saying anything. I'm learning. |
| 10:51.26 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: go and learn from the people in #123 |
| 10:51.33 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: did you expect toshiba or any company to be able to use linux? |
| 10:51.40 | fred__ | # debian-fr |
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| 10:51.51 | jeeves_Moss | Guerin: are they the "special needs" group? |
| 10:51.56 | lucio | why do I have a catalina.out file that is a pipe in my debian tomcat config? where do I find the tomcat system errors? |
| 10:51.56 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: you're the second cannuck to come in here within the past 24 hours and fuck shit up. |
| 10:52.15 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: you're much better positioned than me to know that. |
| 10:52.19 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: I specificly asked BEFORE I bought it, and have the sales guy on tape telling me EVERYTHING was Linux complient. |
| 10:52.36 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: sales guys are stupid. Nothing here is new. |
| 10:52.41 | liable | so sue *him* |
| 10:52.53 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: and nothing CAN be linux compliant |
| 10:53.00 | Guerin | because there is no one single 'linux' |
| 10:53.04 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea: you know living in the "frozen north", we have a lot of free time. Masterbation gets old fast. |
| 10:53.33 | Guerin | fast |
| 10:53.34 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: I have a friend who ask toshiba before they baught it, and then after she baught it, they said it has to have the original os on it or it will never be fixed by any toshiab repair center. period. |
| 10:53.57 | jeeves_Moss | Guerin: I KNOW that. I caught the compnay in a LIE. Thats the POINT. If you actuly READ THE BLOG, you'd know theres a LOT more going on that just hte linux stuff. |
| 10:54.16 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: I just never sent the HDD. |
| 10:54.22 | Guerin | laptop computers are all proprietary. Deal with it. Do your own due diligence, or suffer the consequences. |
| 10:54.30 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 10:54.33 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 10:54.41 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: no, sorry, you're off-topic, you're in the wrong places , and this isn't the place to get /.'d. If you want comments, post it to /. and hope they publish it. |
| 10:54.43 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: they said, no hdd=no more repair! |
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| 10:54.51 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: so what do you think of the run around I've got so far on faulty hardware? |
| 10:54.56 | liable | wtf does this have to do with debian anyway? |
| 10:55.06 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: this is NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO GET PEOPLE TO COMMENT. YOU'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG. NOW LEAVE! |
| 10:55.24 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: didn't read the rest. dont know what to tell you. |
| 10:55.27 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: just to put what Gnea is saying more succinctly: WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK, PISS OFF. |
| 10:55.46 | fred__ | hi all does any body use a sata hdd? |
| 10:55.49 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea, Guerin: I was having a little FUN. you know, SPICE THINGS UP!! I didden't see ANYTHING from you guys, so obviously your NOT helping any one in here, and all you do is sit ont he side lines and complain. |
| 10:55.54 | Guerin | !anyone use a sata hdd? |
| 10:55.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses a sata hdd, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:55.56 | jm_ | a few years ago I could have given him the address of people that care, but the URL is dead |
| 10:56.08 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: we don't care about your idea of fun, either. |
| 10:56.10 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: oh, so you want to get banned. |
| 10:56.15 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea: you remind me a lot of my ex wife. espicaly around the eyes. LOL |
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| 10:56.22 | fred__ | loool tks ^^ i thing i will help me :-) |
| 10:56.23 | TBBle | "hope" they publish it? "Toshiba" "linux" "lie" and it's guaranteed to be published, even if you don't both joining those three words into coherent sentences. |
| 10:56.25 | fred__ | think ^ |
| 10:56.37 | Guerin | TBBle: heh |
| 10:56.53 | jeeves_Moss | TBBl: good idea. I should add something like that, then get google to index the page. |
| 10:56.55 | Guerin | well, I had some fun with toshiba today as well |
| 10:57.04 | Guerin | but you know what? I'm not going to bore you all with it. |
| 10:57.10 | jeeves_Moss | fred_: Hi fred. Welcome to #debian |
| 10:57.10 | sep | jeeves_Moss, there are 783 people in here reading this list, we are only in here to ocasionaly help out on debian issues. and we are all busy doing our dayjobs. your blabbering in here only frustrates the 782 others in here if you have hardware questions there is a #hadware channel you know. |
| 10:57.42 | jeeves_Moss | Guerin: you know, the more people who come together as a colective force against a common foe are a LOT stronger than one person. |
| 10:57.54 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: oh, and BTW, you're a stupid dumbass piece of SHIT for not having a backup already. It's your own dumb fault that you lost the data. NOT Toshiba's. Shit happens, stop whining, and get over it. |
| 10:58.04 | Gnea | pardon my language. |
| 10:58.19 | jeeves_Moss | sep: well, I do rember asking how to get a higher res out of my ATI card, but I didden't see you pipe up. |
| 10:58.20 | Gnea | if someone wants to quiet me for it, then do it. |
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| 10:58.37 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea: I didden't loose the data, the dam CPU cooked |
| 10:58.38 | sep | jeeves_Moss, have never owned an ati card |
| 10:58.39 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: sometimes not everyone knows. SHIT HAPPENS. |
| 10:59.17 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea: I'm point out fact that people are quick to point fingers, but are they activly doing anything. I've been activly helping people with things. |
| 10:59.29 | jm_ | and when one of the ops wake up, they'll whine about us not being friendly .. |
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| 10:59.41 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: so have i. |
| 10:59.44 | liable | has nothing to do with debian try ##linux and fuck off. period, end of conversation. |
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| 10:59.45 | kevix | Guerin: I was just on planet.debian.org and kai hendry is in Korea. |
| 10:59.54 | RichiH | jm_: i am here and looking at how stuff develops ;) |
| 11:00.00 | Guerin | jeeves_Moss: ok. Laptops are proprietary BECAUSE they're laptops. All the parts have to fit together within extremely strict form factor, power drain, cost and design requirements |
| 11:00.00 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: you've been told, and now you're being /ignore'd |
| 11:00.18 | jeeves_Moss | KevixL who is that? |
| 11:00.25 | TBBle | jeeves_Moss: I like how you seem to have picked three or four of the most active #debian helper people (and shit-putter-upper-withs) to lambast for not being helpful by sending links to your blog... |
| 11:00.37 | Guerin | so they don't always choose the most compatible hardware, so you have to research the fucking thing first, and then you get to blame yourself if it's not supported by the OS you choose |
| 11:00.41 | RichiH | Guerin: design requirements, namely thermal design, needs to be on the first spot of that list |
| 11:00.43 | jm_ | RichiH: ok, haven't seen you complain when we call people retards anyway :) |
| 11:00.44 | Guerin | and we get to point at you and laugh |
| 11:00.45 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea: <takes a bow> my work here is done. |
| 11:00.51 | Gnea | TBBle: obviously he doesn't help out that often. |
| 11:01.20 | Guerin | RichiH: right. |
| 11:01.46 | Guerin | kevix: huh, he was the dude doing a trip around the world. IIRC, he was in the andaman islands at tsunami time |
| 11:02.14 | kevix | Guerin: yea! I saw that post! crazy! |
| 11:02.18 | rredd4 | kevix: in my pap-secrets file, in front of my password is a \q that is not part of my password and i did not put it there. I think pppconfig did that. is it ok? |
| 11:02.22 | jeeves_Moss | all: does any one know how that root kit put out by sony on some of their music works? |
| 11:02.58 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: go to boingboing.net and look in the archives. |
| 11:03.00 | jm_ | rredd4: ppp docs explain the format of *-secrets files |
| 11:03.05 | TBBle | jeeves_Moss: I think you may have missed the earlier abuse regarding how to ask general questions of the channel... |
| 11:03.48 | Gnea | classic example of stupidity+uneducation=wtf?! |
| 11:03.57 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: thanks. |
| 11:04.24 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: see, stiring the pot allways gets people going, and then questions get answered. |
| 11:04.57 | TBBle | jeeves_Moss: And you get bonus direct personal abuse. |
| 11:05.04 | rredd4 | jm_: i don't think that the /q did not get there by pap-secrets file. I remember seeing that in pppconfig before i ever knew there was a pap secrets |
| 11:05.15 | Rippey | hello, i dont understand why md0 (my /) is stopping during boot then run as degraded array. that works good with other array on the same hd. i still can readd the missing partition when i get hand on it, but not the good way to do it i think |
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| 11:05.22 | jeeves_Moss | TBBl: I put up with a LOT worse than that @ work from unrully customers. |
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| 11:05.27 | Rippey | md0 is a raid1 soft array |
| 11:05.50 | jeeves_Moss | Rippy: did it ever work right? or did you have probles during the install? |
| 11:06.01 | _Brandon_ | hi, what is the replacement of libXcursor.la in unstable/experimental? |
| 11:06.15 | Rippey | each time i reboot, the md0 is degraded |
| 11:06.52 | Guerin | _Brandon_: probably libbadger.la |
| 11:06.56 | jeeves_Moss | Rippy: can you boot a live distro and look @ the partitions? I ~think~ it should pick up the fact that its a software aray and let you repair it. |
| 11:07.00 | Rippey | i got msg : md0 stopped, then some lines forward, md0 runs with 1 out of 2 hd |
| 11:07.03 | Guerin | _Brandon_: since it's debian fux0red, after all |
| 11:07.17 | Rippey | jeeves_Moss, its a fresh install |
| 11:07.45 | jeeves_Moss | Rippy: ok, let me get this straight, your using differen't partitions ont he same disk to make an aray, or seprate disks? |
| 11:07.47 | Rippey | i can still readd the missing partition, i have no error on it. |
| 11:07.58 | Rippey | seperate hd |
| 11:08.03 | sep | Rippey, do you let the md0 resync after it is booted ? check in /proc/mdstat |
| 11:08.15 | jeeves_Moss | Rippy: did you low level format the drive(s) before starting out? |
| 11:08.44 | TBBle | jeeves_Moss: You have people come to your work and abuse you professionally? |
| 11:09.34 | TBBle | Rippey: Are you using an initrd? Was the md0 degraded the last time you rebuilt the initrd? Try reassemble the array, waiting for it to sync, and update-initrd or update-initramfs (depending on what you're using) |
| 11:09.34 | jeeves_Moss | TBBle: ever been in retail? Ever have a customer who dosen't understand something, comes in yelling and screaming, and your expected to calm them down, fix the problem AND sell them something else? |
| 11:09.36 | _Brandon_ | Guerin: can't find any libbadger |
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| 11:09.56 | Rippey | jeeves_Moss, nop, its new serv. i ve install on sda, the create md on sdb, reboot on sdb and add sda to array, i have 6 md on disk, 5 of them is ok, md0, the boot part, does not resync |
| 11:09.58 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: been there, done that. |
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| 11:10.15 | Rippey | TBBle, ill try that, i do not upgrade initrd since resync |
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| 11:10.30 | TBBle | jeeves_Moss: Yeah. I like those ones. The ones who come in, yelling and screaming, and then leave to try and get satisfaction from the store down the road whom they _actually_ bought the part from are the timewasting ones. |
| 11:10.49 | Rippey | ill try it later, food time, thanks for help |
| 11:11.02 | kevix | _Brandon_: maybe libbadger-badger-badger! |
| 11:11.45 | jeeves_Moss | Rippy: I'm wondering if the BIOS is preventing it for some screwed up reason. I know my Proliant DL-380 won't let you do anything unless the GRUB starts on disk 0 (even if its a stripe RAID) |
| 11:12.08 | _Brandon_ | kevix: lol but badger is ubuntu i suppose, i'm using debian :) |
| 11:12.16 | jeeves_Moss | Gnea: well I was the assistant manager of a Radio Shack here (third largest volume in Ontario, so I was trained under fire) |
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| 11:12.45 | Gnea | jeeves_Moss: oh wow, that's so dangerous! try delivering pizzas in the states. |
| 11:13.00 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: I sympathize, I too was part of Tandy! |
| 11:13.02 | jeeves_Moss | TBBle: or they tell you that they don't need what your trying to sell them, go for something WAY under powered, burn it up, then come back screaming @ you. Yep, done that. |
| 11:13.23 | jeeves_Moss | Gnes: I see your still packin' that 9 close under your arm. |
| 11:13.23 | Gnea | you know, i tried applying to radio shack once. |
| 11:13.27 | Gnea | they turned me down. |
| 11:13.32 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: employee #? |
| 11:13.45 | TBBle | jeeves_Moss: No, I don't usually get that. I find the boiling frog technique of selling things is much more effective. Maybe you learn that once you get out of the "assistant" manager spot? ^_^ |
| 11:13.49 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: you mean store#? |
| 11:13.54 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: 24902-01 from store 05-5264 |
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| 11:14.26 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: 01-2797 was the last. |
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| 11:14.30 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 11:14.36 | jeeves_Moss | TBBle: I think the best "up sell" I did was a guy came in for a $2 battery, and walked out with a computer. |
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| 11:14.55 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix. Thats scarry, you rember the #s. LOL Quick, whats a 23-23? |
| 11:15.05 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: or a 23-009? |
| 11:15.16 | Gnea | heh. |
| 11:15.41 | TBBle | That's not bad. I can't match that in multiple terms, because the smallest things we sell are computers, and I haven't sold any million-dollar servers yet. |
| 11:15.44 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: well 23 is battery. 09 forgot. |
| 11:15.56 | TBBle | s/multiple/order of magnitude/ |
| 11:16.09 | jeeves_Moss | TBBle: the vice-prez was standing behind the counter @ the time. |
| 11:16.12 | TBBle | Hmm. Isn't there a bot here to rewite my sentences for me? |
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| 11:16.55 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: two of Rat Shack's most famous SKUs. 23-23 is a dubble pack of "N" cells, and a 23-009 is a 357 button cell. Go look 'em up if you want. |
| 11:17.04 | jeeves_Moss | there both $4.99 |
| 11:17.36 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: I was thining of them. but its been a while. |
| 11:17.56 | thctlo2 | hi everybody, question, i have a ldap and want pam to handle the auth for ssh, have 2 local users which works ok, but the ldap user is unable to login, with message (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown. |
| 11:18.22 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: no worries. I'm timing to see just how long it'll take for them to hire me back. I've worked for a "shack" for over 10 years now. I should own my own by now. |
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| 11:18.53 | thctlo2 | ldap is running fine by the way |
| 11:19.20 | TBBle | thctlo2: I dnno much about ldap, but that wasn't a question... ^_^ |
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| 11:19.31 | bbrazil | thctlo2: what's the passwd line in resolv.conf? you should be able to do this without touching pam |
| 11:19.36 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: I got out when they added the 'store-in-a-store' and changed the commission rates. plus if you dont have a high volume store, you get peanuts. |
| 11:19.51 | TBBle | Resolv.conf? Or nsswitch.conf? |
| 11:20.10 | bbrazil | thctlo2: sory, nsswitch.conf |
| 11:20.16 | thctlo2 | ok 1 sec |
| 11:20.29 | thctlo2 | passwd: compat ldap |
| 11:20.37 | jeeves_Moss | Kevix: well, the two that were ahead of us were the one downtown Toronto in the biggest mall in downtown toronto, and the other one is about 4 blocks away from that one. We're about 60 miles away |
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| 11:21.04 | thctlo2 | these are used : |
| 11:21.05 | thctlo2 | passwd: compat ldap |
| 11:21.05 | thctlo2 | group: compat ldap |
| 11:21.06 | thctlo2 | shadow: compat ldap |
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| 11:21.26 | bbrazil | thctlo2: it should Just Work, have you tried restarting sshd? |
| 11:21.30 | thctlo2 | sorry about dat |
| 11:21.43 | thctlo2 | ill try 1 sec |
| 11:22.22 | thctlo2 | no still sshd[30413]: (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown |
| 11:22.34 | jm_ | check if getent finds it |
| 11:22.34 | thctlo2 | getent passwd displays my ldap users |
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| 11:23.04 | thctlo2 | ldap / user and groups work fine. it must be in the pam.d/common-* files |
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| 11:23.29 | jeeves_Moss | TBBle: do you know anything about Intel AnyPort USB WiFi cards? I can't get the OS to see it. I can see it on a list of USB, the OS skips the slot where it whould be when I add a third WiFi card as well. |
| 11:23.44 | bbrazil | thctlo2: is ldap is all working, then pam_unix should be sufficent for auth |
| 11:23.47 | thctlo2 | the common-account : auth sufficient pam_ldap.so + auth sufficient pam_unix.so try_first_pass |
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| 11:23.56 | Shadowcat | wifi usb sucks |
| 11:24.12 | jeeves_Moss | ShadowCat: did I mention I'm POOR? |
| 11:24.26 | TBBle | Skips the slot?? Like leaves a wlan device name out? |
| 11:24.30 | Greek-Boy | how do i check and repair file system in debian linux? |
| 11:24.40 | Shadowcat | jeeves_Moss: so are 90% of the people in here |
| 11:24.42 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to install a kernel 2.6.13+ on sarge, I read that it doesn't supports anymore devfs..and in fact I've a problem having a LVM on root, looking at this mail http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/10/msg00221.html, I tried to install initramfs-tools (backported) on sarge but it depends on udev that is in conflict with hotplug..if I remove hotplug will my machine boot again? |
| 11:24.45 | bbrazil | Greek-Boy: fsck |
| 11:24.46 | Shadowcat | get with the program |
| 11:24.47 | kevix | jeeves_Moss: get a used orinoco/lucent/wavelan card |
| 11:24.47 | jeeves_Moss | ShadowCat: I'm SOOO Getto that I've got a internal (front loading) dual PCMICA card reader in my box. |
| 11:25.00 | bbrazil | thctlo2: I have to go to a meeting now |
| 11:25.07 | thctlo2 | so no need to adjust the common-xxxx files in /etc/pam.d |
| 11:25.11 | thctlo2 | ill try that |
| 11:25.12 | jm_ | that looks wrong |
| 11:25.19 | jeeves_Moss | kevex: LOL. I think I'll just wait till my mashed up Lappy gets back. Its got a good card in it. |
| 11:25.27 | Greek-Boy | bbrazil thanks |
| 11:25.28 | Greek-Boy | :) |
| 11:25.35 | bbrazil | thctlo2: in theory no, nsswitch.conf should do everythign bar password changes |
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| 11:25.48 | jeeves_Moss | Geek-Boy: cool name. |
| 11:26.05 | kevix | gypsymauro: comment: hotplug functions were replaced in udev by coldplug in 2.6.12+ |
| 11:26.49 | bbrazil | thctlo2: I'd suggest getting something like 'login' working first, openssh+pam isn't the greatest mix |
| 11:27.02 | thctlo2 | hmm, 1ste ) sshd[30431]: (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown, 2-end) Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info for user |
| 11:27.03 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 11:27.05 | jeeves_Moss | kevix: I find it strange that it shows up in the USB list, but anything past that, it is hidden |
| 11:27.09 | gypsymauro | kevix: yes but I've a working 2.6.8 kernel..if I replace hotplug with udev I suppose I'll not be able to boot with the old kernel |
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| 11:28.14 | thctlo2 | getent passwd | grep username gives username:x:2001:512:Domain Admins:/home/users/obell:/bin/false |
| 11:28.24 | Greek-Boy | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 11:28.24 | Greek-Boy | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 11:28.28 | Greek-Boy | what do i do about that? |
| 11:28.34 | Greek-Boy | i need to do this on a mail server |
| 11:28.51 | kurtak | What do I need to do to uninstall a package (SDL in this case) and all the packages that depends on it?? I'd like to do this because i wanted to get the newest version, which i don't see debs for yet, compile and install the new one. Is it okay to have 2 versions of something like SDL installed? |
| 11:28.58 | thctlo2 | Greek-Boy you use ext2 or ext3 filesystem |
| 11:29.09 | kevix | gypsymauro: the newer kernel need udev and removes hotplug, but once you do that, you wont be able to boot with the old kernel. i recall reading on the debian-dev list that someone was making a version to work with older kernels. no links thought. |
| 11:29.10 | jm_ | kurtak: no |
| 11:29.17 | kurtak | Moreover, I just want to learn how to do this |
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| 11:29.39 | jeeves_Moss | shadowcat: do you know how to get a USB GPS to function properly? |
| 11:29.56 | Greek-Boy | ext3 |
| 11:29.57 | tralala | kurtak: man apt-get, man aptitude |
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| 11:30.29 | thctlo2 | Greek-Boy fsck.ext3 /dev/YOURDRIVE , and make sure your have backups |
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| 11:30.59 | Greek-Boy | ok thanks thctlo2 :) |
| 11:31.09 | thctlo2 | no probleme |
| 11:31.22 | thctlo2 | i just hope someone can help me ;-) |
| 11:31.50 | Greek-Boy | what u struggling with? |
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| 11:32.12 | thctlo2 | ldap and ssh auth |
| 11:32.14 | TBBle | kurtak: You are staring into a deep, dark pit of pain and despair. |
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| 11:32.37 | thctlo2 | getent checks are ok but auth ssh says: |
| 11:32.41 | thctlo2 | hmm, 1ste ) sshd[30431]: (pam_unix) check pass; user unknown, 2-end) Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info for user |
| 11:33.30 | thctlo2 | and a shame nobody knows :-( |
| 11:33.37 | InfoMangani | hi all, is pthreads the "right way" do program threads on debian gnu/linux in C language or there is a new and better tecnology? |
| 11:33.38 | jm_ | there are two things about this - one is to use libnss-ldap, the other is libpam-ldap |
| 11:33.49 | InfoMangani | s/do/to |
| 11:33.50 | dominicano | !seen jesus |
| 11:33.50 | dpkg | jesus <n=jesus@83.73.213.40.ip.tele2adsl.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 33d 13h 33m 12s ago, saying: 'blondie, du you have a problom with my name is jesus?'. |
| 11:33.53 | kurtak | tralala: oh thanks... |
| 11:34.08 | jm_ | InfoMangani: POSIX threads, NPTL is the right way |
| 11:34.08 | kurtak | TBBle: i want to learn somehow |
| 11:34.24 | InfoMangani | jm_: tnx a lot |
| 11:34.28 | dominicano | !seen god |
| 11:34.28 | thctlo2 | libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap are ok, all checks are ok.. thats the strange about it |
| 11:34.29 | dpkg | god <i=SLLs_esL@201008066220.user.veloxzone.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 27d 18h 45m 51s ago, saying: 'is it true that debian can be used for web servers??'. |
| 11:34.34 | InfoMangani | this channel is simply gorgeous |
| 11:34.44 | jm_ | no, they aren't OK, your PAM files are wrong |
| 11:34.49 | TBBle | InfoMangani: There is a NPTL threads, with 2.6 kernels and recent libc. You program the same as pthreads, and libc magically links you to the right one. |
| 11:34.51 | dominicano | !seen satan |
| 11:34.51 | dpkg | satan <n=Diablo69@24-207-141-235.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26d 4h 35m 13s ago, saying: 'well thanks much for the help guys'. |
| 11:35.03 | Shadowcat | !seen microsoft |
| 11:35.03 | dpkg | Shadowcat: i haven't seen 'microsoft' |
| 11:35.04 | nkuttler | dominicano: you can /msg the bot |
| 11:35.08 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 11:35.09 | blondie | o.O |
| 11:35.14 | dominicano | !seen nkuttler |
| 11:35.15 | dpkg | nkuttler is currently on #debian (1h 7s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 10s |
| 11:35.17 | thctlo2 | jm_ can you give an example |
| 11:35.20 | dominicano | ops |
| 11:35.30 | jm_ | thctlo2: /usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap has them |
| 11:35.37 | thctlo2 | ok ill check |
| 11:35.39 | tralala | dpkg: you should've said I havn't *ever* seen microsoft... |
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| 11:35.56 | TBBle | kurtak: If you want to learn to compile and run stuff, start with a program, and then move onto a library that isn't replacing one on your system, so you can see how it functions without hosing your system otherwise. If you're interested in packaging, don't start with a library with such a rich and painful shared library history in Debian as SDL. |
| 11:36.38 | epsilon | BTW, "apt-cache search microsoft | wc -l" -> 173 in sarge |
| 11:36.45 | thctlo2 | jm_ and what about the pam_pwdb.so i read debian users may not use these. ? |
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| 11:37.23 | thctlo2 | and i tryed this also already .. :-( |
| 11:37.33 | jm_ | thctlo2: there is no such module in Debian |
| 11:37.57 | thctlo2 | no thats why , but the example ssh has it. |
| 11:38.48 | jm_ | it's just an example |
| 11:39.20 | thctlo2 | jm_ what about the pam.conf , that one is untouched , ( still default ) |
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| 11:40.00 | jm_ | thctlo2: pam.conf is the default config file that can be used instead of the split files in /etc/pam.d |
| 11:40.16 | benjamindees | epsilon, and that includes, what, about 50 openoffice packages, lots of cross-platform apps, and Vigor, the evil paperclip... |
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| 11:41.35 | benjamindees | nevermind, 92 openoffice packages |
| 11:41.49 | thctlo2 | hmm i dont know it anymore.. :--( |
| 11:42.19 | jm_ | try configuring it as in the examples. also use debug option for PAM modules and check if it gives you more info |
| 11:42.37 | jm_ | it should also be possible to enable debugging on LDAP server to see what it's asking for |
| 11:42.37 | resiak | epsilon: If you install ghc6, you will notice that the upstream maintainers have @microsoft.com addresses, if that bothers you |
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| 11:44.01 | Phated | Is there a simple way to find out how long my machine has been installed? |
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| 11:44.30 | Shadowcat | Phated: the dpkg history should provide a pretty good idea |
| 11:44.38 | saloxin | Phated: ls -las /root/install-report.template |
| 11:44.56 | Guerin | saloxin: don't think those existed pre-sarge |
| 11:44.56 | jm_ | Phated: not really, possibly ls -t /usr/share/doc |
| 11:44.57 | Phated | Cheers, folks :) |
| 11:45.05 | Phated | jm_: Thanks. |
| 11:45.13 | Guerin | it's all circumstantial, though |
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| 11:45.28 | jm_ | well unless you haven't rebooted it since :P |
| 11:45.30 | Phated | Yeah, I was just wondering kind. |
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| 11:46.00 | Debian-Indonesia | Hello all .. :-D |
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| 11:47.54 | nk__ | hi there. I am trying to boot debian sarge with kernel 2.6.15. the kernel gets a panic, complaining /dev/console does not exist |
| 11:48.06 | nk__ | this is caused by the none-existing DEVFS in the pseudo filesystems |
| 11:48.16 | nk__ | I installed udev and devfsd but none of the apps solved my problems |
| 11:48.20 | nk__ | how may I be able to boot? |
| 11:48.30 | jm_ | custom kernel? |
| 11:48.43 | nk__ | yes |
| 11:48.54 | jm_ | you have probably screwed up when configuring it |
| 11:49.04 | nk__ | which option might be missing? |
| 11:49.10 | Shadowcat | dude |
| 11:49.23 | Shadowcat | there are billions of options in the linux kernel |
| 11:49.24 | jm_ | the most common -- lack of fs support, lack of drivers, wrong root= option, missing initrd |
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| 11:49.47 | nk__ | jm_: nono. fs is included |
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| 11:49.57 | nk__ | it's just caused because of the deprectaed devfs which is missing in 2.6.15 |
| 11:50.07 | nk__ | and the initrd works fine |
| 11:50.13 | nk__ | and also the root= option in grub is correct |
| 11:50.18 | Shadowcat | why are you using devfs |
| 11:50.25 | nk__ | Shadowcat: i am NOT |
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| 11:50.40 | jm_ | nk__: I don't understand this - you seem to know what is wrong but you're asking us for help |
| 11:50.41 | fl | hi thre |
| 11:50.42 | Shadowcat | so stop mounting that on boot |
| 11:50.49 | jm_ | so it's not because of devfs |
| 11:50.56 | nk__ | jm_: h |
| 11:50.58 | nk__ | hm |
| 11:51.14 | nk__ | wait a moment. I'll boot up the machine and give you the exact panic message |
| 11:51.49 | jm_ | that won't help |
| 11:51.52 | nk__ | 'initrd-tools: 0.1.81.1; mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' ... pivot_root: No such file or direcotry. /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file' |
| 11:52.00 | nk__ | no? hm |
| 11:52.04 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 11:52.05 | jm_ | why are you using initrd? |
| 11:52.09 | nk__ | so this error message tells me that it somehow depends on devfs |
| 11:52.12 | Shadowcat | nk__: are you compiling everything as modules? |
| 11:52.18 | jm_ | I am using 2.6.15 without any problems here |
| 11:52.19 | fl | someome from pa-risc around? I have a K380 I'd like to give away :-) |
| 11:52.24 | nk__ | Shadowcat: not everything, no. filesystems are IN the kernel e.g. |
| 11:52.28 | nk__ | jm_: hm. strange |
| 11:52.45 | nk__ | on sarge jm_ ? |
| 11:52.48 | jm_ | nk__: sure |
| 11:52.50 | Shadowcat | so why are you using an initrd then? |
| 11:52.59 | Shadowcat | nk__: do you even know what an initrd is used for? |
| 11:53.03 | jm_ | nk__: you build it without initrd support |
| 11:53.10 | jm_ | you=just |
| 11:53.11 | nk__ | i could try without *shrug |
| 11:53.34 | nk__ | but I thought it's the standart for debian to use initrd images |
| 11:53.45 | Shadowcat | the point of an initrd is to load those vital modules such as fs so that the system will boot |
| 11:53.46 | nk__ | Shadowcat: they are used to be able to load modules that are necessary for bootup |
| 11:53.54 | Shadowcat | if you put that INTO your kernel, you don't need a bloody initrd |
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| 11:54.16 | tesssss | hi |
| 11:54.23 | Shadowcat | gentoo, for example, where you compile your own kernel per default, does not use a initrd |
| 11:54.27 | nk__ | ok, but I do not think this will solve my problem... we'll see |
| 11:54.40 | jm_ | it's standard for Debian kernels, but you don't have to do it for custom kernels |
| 11:54.47 | nk__ | yep shadowcat. used that once... and I remember that I needed to install some dev-apps when switching to 2.6 kernel |
| 11:54.50 | tesssss | do you know if it's possible i add apt debian's link in source.list in ubuntu distrib ? |
| 11:55.22 | Shadowcat | tesssss: sure it's possible, just don't bug anyone in here OR #ubuntu when your system breaks |
| 11:55.27 | Shadowcat | and it WILL break |
| 11:55.35 | tesssss | oki ... |
| 11:56.04 | tesssss | last question do you know what's the equivalent for the debian unstable for ubuntu ... it's warky ? |
| 11:56.22 | Shadowcat | does this look like #ubuntu to you? |
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| 11:57.05 | Microsoft-Linux | Hell All |
| 11:57.29 | Microsoft-Linux | Upz .. |
| 11:57.41 | Microsoft-Linux | Hello all |
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| 11:58.09 | Microsoft-Linux | :O |
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| 11:59.59 | Microsoft-Linux | Hm |
| 12:00.45 | ootput | op |
| 12:00.48 | ootput | do you bidness |
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| 12:00.56 | Microsoft-Linux | T_T |
| 12:01.45 | Microsoft-Linux | =) |
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| 12:05.14 | tesssss | anybody use the modem ct-361 comtrend ? |
| 12:05.52 | Shadowcat | in debian or in ubuntu? |
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| 12:08.10 | dserodio | hi |
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| 12:11.38 | kurtak | Will apt-get remove still work if other packages depend on the one being removed? the manpage isn't so clear about this case |
| 12:12.49 | Shadowcat | it'll throw out everything else depending on that package |
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| 12:13.07 | kurtak | TBBle: i see what you mean. how about this: i try to compile and install the newer versions within my home directory, and try to link against those when compiling things that depend on sdl? sound safer? |
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| 12:14.02 | ootput | it'll leave a bunch of orphaned packages |
| 12:14.28 | AM|R | i got problem when boot up the scsi problem. how can i solved this?.. |
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| 12:15.48 | fireba11 | AM|R 1) your english is horrible 2) learn to ask in a way that gives us a chance to answer |
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| 12:16.49 | gahan | should alps touchpad work with xfree86-driver-synaptics on kernel 2.6.15.2 w/o patching kernel? |
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| 12:27.50 | kurtak | i'm having a hard time finding a key for the first column of dpkg -l output (the install state)-- how do i know what it means.. i've only found out that i=installed, u=uninstalled |
| 12:28.12 | Shadowcat | man dpkg |
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| 12:29.53 | jm_ | kurtak: dpkg -l lists them at the top |
| 12:29.54 | soup | where do you normally put |
| 12:30.11 | soup | damn cat |
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| 12:30.35 | AM|R | gateway:~# shorewall show capabilities |
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| 12:32.36 | chemaja | anybody using banshee (gtk+ music mgmt) with an iPod? if so, which version of banshee? |
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| 12:34.21 | ronove | when I do apt-get upgrade udev, it downloads, but stops configuring with the message "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686-smp was been altered. Cannot update." .. is it because I apt-get remove'd splashy 2days ago? |
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| 12:36.10 | pepo | i have problem with the flash when i open one page with flash my mozilla and mozilla-firefox , frozen and i need kill it |
| 12:36.25 | ronove | flash installed? |
| 12:36.38 | jm_ | it wouldn't hang otherwise ;) |
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| 12:37.11 | ronove | true.. but with installed, I mean "installed and working on other pages" |
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| 12:37.45 | pepo | libflash-mozplugin |
| 12:37.53 | G2 | when tarring to tape, would you use the non-winding device or just /dev/st0, rather than /dev/nst0? |
| 12:38.01 | pepo | swf-player |
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| 12:38.28 | kami22 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.10 | kurtak | jm_: ahhhhh, that makes sense. is the 3rd char. in the first column then the error status if any? |
| 12:39.36 | jm_ | kamik;not trivial, but read about dmraid |
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| 12:39.43 | jm_ | kami22 ^^^^ |
| 12:40.03 | jm_ | kurtak: yes, it alsy explains that ;) |
| 12:40.28 | kami22 | is this possible when i got an existing raid0 with windows installed and some free space? |
| 12:40.42 | thctlo2 | hi back again, my ldap auth for ssh works now, but getent passwd as root displays all users, but when i login I get I have no name!@servername:~$ somebody a guestion ? |
| 12:42.08 | mrkofee_ | hi, could it be that the ipv6 support in sarge kernel (2.6.8-1-386) is a little bit buggy? i always have to ping my router before i can ping any ip6 host outside my lan |
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| 12:43.45 | chrome | woohoo! Got debian installed on my blade. |
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| 12:44.06 | bushito | how could i force to downgrade from xorg 6.9 to 6.8?? |
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| 12:44.12 | mrkofee_ | congratulations chrome :) |
| 12:44.14 | chrome | mhall: thanks for the help last night, i perservered and got it working |
| 12:44.18 | chrome | if you're there |
| 12:44.33 | chrome | mrkofee_: ta :) Now for the hard part - installing an SMP capable kernel :/ |
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| 12:45.54 | mrkofee_ | mhhh i had some trouble getting smp to work on multi-cpu opteron system |
| 12:45.56 | juancri | hola |
| 12:45.59 | juancri | hello |
| 12:46.08 | juancri | how are you? |
| 12:46.08 | dpkg | juancri: you know how it is... |
| 12:46.21 | chrome | mrkofee_: this sun box needs prayers to get it to boot at the best of times. |
| 12:46.26 | mrkofee_ | good luck chrome :) |
| 12:46.36 | ootput | which sun? |
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| 12:47.18 | SyNiK | yeah gl chrome |
| 12:47.32 | kami22 | is this possible when i got an existing raid0 with windows installed and some free space? |
| 12:47.52 | sysforce | someone can say me why im getting "SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Bad address" when i run mii-tool comand ? |
| 12:47.53 | sysforce | its very weird because i could put up this network card running ifup command |
| 12:47.58 | thctlo2 | the solution ( for jm_ ) was libnss-ldap.conf chmod 644 , debian has 600 |
| 12:48.09 | thctlo2 | thanks jm_ |
| 12:48.19 | thctlo2 | you help me in the right direction |
| 12:48.28 | jm_ | thctlo2: so you really don't need to modify PAM files? |
| 12:48.43 | jm_ | sysforce: not all drivers support MII |
| 12:48.46 | thctlo2 | jeah i also did mod the ssh |
| 12:48.57 | thctlo2 | i now go try with out. |
| 12:49.08 | thctlo2 | thank :D you made me happy |
| 12:49.14 | sysforce | jm_: hm... im using 3com gigabit e1000 driver |
| 12:49.22 | jm_ | sysforce: try using ethtool instead |
| 12:50.04 | thctlo2 | or set the duplex mod in the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:50.28 | thctlo2 | media type |
| 12:51.00 | juancri | i want to install skype in debian, but my firewall is close, can i jump this ports thing else? |
| 12:51.38 | sysforce | jm_: its weird because this board was working very good with my cable modem, and now when i run dhclient to get an dynamic ip address, i can get the ip, but i got a message in the middle that says NETWORK IS UNREACHABLE |
| 12:51.41 | TonyR | someone speaks polaish??? |
| 12:51.45 | TonyR | polish :D |
| 12:52.03 | ronin | no but i bet theres a polish debian channel |
| 12:52.04 | thctlo2 | no, but there are site which can translate it for you |
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| 12:52.22 | thctlo2 | translation.langenberg.com |
| 12:52.30 | TonyR | u know the name of this site? |
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| 12:52.39 | thctlo2 | see above |
| 12:52.41 | thctlo2 | ;-) |
| 12:52.43 | sylvisj | Whats the x server fonts dir on Etch? |
| 12:52.50 | TonyR | ok thx |
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| 12:53.02 | juancri | then i go to crush my computer!!!! |
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| 12:53.24 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 12:53.35 | JohnFlux | we have just released konversation 0.19 |
| 12:53.37 | thctlo2 | jm_ just for you to know, without editing the /etc/pam.d/ssh it does not work , and thats good.. |
| 12:53.40 | JohnFlux | how do I get this into debian? |
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| 12:54.13 | sylvisj | Anyone? |
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| 12:54.37 | cheal | JohnFlux: you don't. you wait for the debian maintainer to upload it |
| 12:54.46 | JohnFlux | cheal: I'm impatient ;) |
| 12:55.13 | cheal | JohnFlux: you could open a wishlist bug for it, but that's useless |
| 12:55.15 | JohnFlux | cheal: we have got an ubuntu package done, and that will go into the next ubuntu release |
| 12:55.22 | stew | JohnFlux: file a wishlist bug saying there is a new upstream version available /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 12:55.27 | cheal | JohnFlux: that doesn't matter |
| 12:55.37 | JohnFlux | cheal: i thought it might reduce some of the work |
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| 12:55.43 | chrome | wewt: Linux jupiter 2.6.12-1-sparc64-smp #1 SMP Wed Sep 28 02:34:13 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:55.49 | ronin | why ubuntu and debian are seperate distros |
| 12:55.50 | juancri | what ear the things that not ear? |
| 12:55.50 | azeem | JohnFlux: yes, it might |
| 12:55.57 | yoyo | what da fuck |
| 12:56.02 | azeem | yoyo: ? |
| 12:56.08 | yoyo | what |
| 12:56.09 | ronin | and no i dont mean why are they, |
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| 12:56.18 | jm_ | thctlo2: ahh OK, makes sense |
| 12:56.22 | akwidz | where can i download distro whax from ? |
| 12:56.31 | azeem | akwidz: distro whax? |
| 12:56.41 | akwidz | yeah? |
| 12:56.41 | mrverbose | anyone doing onlinebanking via hbci on debian testing? |
| 12:56.45 | akwidz | www.iwhax.net |
| 12:56.48 | azeem | akwidz: I don't understand |
| 12:56.51 | ronin | akwidz: thier webpage most likely |
| 12:56.52 | azeem | akwidz: is that related to Debian? |
| 12:56.55 | akwidz | but i cant find it on the site. |
| 12:56.59 | cheal | JohnFlux: it might. |
| 12:57.01 | akwidz | nah slax. |
| 12:57.07 | ronin | so why ask here akwidz ? |
| 12:57.09 | azeem | akwidz: so you ask in the wrong channel |
| 12:57.15 | akwidz | k |
| 12:57.17 | thctlo2 | konversation => check http://debian.houseofnate.net/ for 0.18 |
| 12:57.22 | thctlo2 | konversation => check http://debian.houseofnate.net/ for 0.19 |
| 12:57.25 | mrkofee_ | hmmm does anyone know how to completeley clear the ipv6 routing table on sarge? |
| 12:57.35 | akwidz | well in slax no one tell me |
| 12:57.46 | thctlo2 | yes remove it from kernel |
| 12:57.47 | azeem | akwidz: we don't know either |
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| 12:57.53 | akwidz | ok |
| 12:57.54 | ronin | akwidz: did you try the DOWNLOAD link? |
| 12:57.54 | juancri | me despido contento y feliz como una lombriz |
| 12:58.00 | akwidz | ? |
| 12:58.06 | akwidz | there is no download link ? |
| 12:58.06 | tralala | akwidz: try www.debian.org or a relevant channel |
| 12:58.14 | ronin | or better yet install debian |
| 12:58.20 | akwidz | well |
| 12:58.24 | akwidz | i have debain now |
| 12:58.31 | juancri | and me |
| 12:58.47 | akwidz | well its kanotix but based on debian |
| 12:58.55 | azeem | juancri: sorry, but this is an english speaking channel |
| 12:59.05 | ronin | so then still not debian akwidz, closer though :) |
| 12:59.16 | akwidz | well its half half |
| 12:59.31 | tralala | !d-i akwidz |
| 12:59.31 | dpkg | akwidz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:59.42 | juancri | oki doki |
| 12:59.52 | ronove | I did rm /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) && apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r) && dpkg-reconfigure udev; but dpkg-reconfigure still says that /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) has been altered, so it couldn't update.. how can this get fixed? |
| 12:59.52 | akwidz | dude i already have debian |
| 12:59.56 | juancri | and in spanish, other? |
| 13:00.06 | stew | juancri: #debian-es |
| 13:00.06 | ronin | akwidz: no you run kanotix not debian |
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| 13:00.17 | juancri | thanks |
| 13:00.18 | akwidz | same shit differnt smell |
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| 13:00.43 | stew | akwidz: please move along, we cannot help you unless you are running a pure debian system |
| 13:01.04 | akwidz | gay |
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| 13:01.19 | ronin | we dont care about your sexual preferences akwidz |
| 13:01.33 | ronin | doh, missed them |
| 13:02.21 | brendan_ | is there a good gui tool in debian for starting/stoping init.d scripts, and changing there boot order? |
| 13:02.24 | TonyR | ... maybe... anyone knows name of any polish irc debian channel?? |
| 13:02.25 | TonyR | ? |
| 13:02.35 | tralala | brendan_: update-rc.d |
| 13:02.42 | JohnFlux | what version of kde does debian sarge have please? |
| 13:02.48 | streuner | !pl |
| 13:02.48 | dpkg | [pl] sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 13:02.57 | tralala | brendan_: and for starting and stopping you don't really need a tool |
| 13:03.01 | TonyR | thx hommie :D |
| 13:03.29 | brendan_ | Trajan, i know you don't need a tool, but i would like to use one |
| 13:03.51 | stew | TonyR: 3.3.2 |
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| 13:04.03 | chrome | oh well, so much for plugging my 250GB firewire drive into my sun box with firewire |
| 13:04.04 | stew | JohnFlux: 3.3.2 |
| 13:04.44 | carlo | hi i've a problem with xorg it doesen't start anymore |
| 13:05.03 | stew | carlo: what error(s) do you get |
| 13:05.05 | streuner | carlo: what error? |
| 13:05.19 | carlo | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 13:05.36 | carlo | if i try to reinstall xfonts-base it gives me other error |
| 13:05.38 | stew | carlo: install xfonts-base |
| 13:05.45 | stew | carlo: what is the other error |
| 13:05.45 | threat | http://www.youtube.com/w/Family-Guy--Stewie-Beats-Brian?v=P6i-FOr63h0&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b |
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| 13:06.40 | carlo | /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory |
| 13:06.41 | andy_ | can someone help me refresh my sound card....? |
| 13:06.49 | threat | andy_, ? |
| 13:07.12 | tralala | brendan_: echo 'service="$1"; shift; /etc/init.d/"$service" $@' > mytool; chmod +x mytool - voila! you have a tool |
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| 13:07.32 | andy_ | i know that my computer sound card is blocked in some way and i hav been told that i am supposed to refresh my sound card... |
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| 13:07.39 | streuner | andy_: what does 'cat /proc/version' say |
| 13:08.02 | andy_ | i hav no idea...sorry |
| 13:08.11 | andy_ | i am a new linux user |
| 13:08.42 | stew | carlo: you get that error when installing xfonts-base? or when starting x? |
| 13:08.53 | threat | andy_, type this in as root, lsof | grep dsp |
| 13:08.55 | tralala | andy_: type this command in a terminal window |
| 13:09.04 | carlo | stew: when install xfonts-base |
| 13:09.07 | mixter | hi! could i run a apt-get update to update my packagelists and then use apt-get or aptitude to show how many packages that needs to be updated, without actually running an update? could be useful in a cronscript |
| 13:09.19 | stew | carlo: what version of debian? |
| 13:09.28 | petemc | mixter: apt-get -u -dist-upgrade |
| 13:09.29 | threat | mixter, apt-get install apticron |
| 13:09.30 | carlo | stew: unstable/experimental |
| 13:09.50 | mixter | threat: ok! i'll look at that, thanks! |
| 13:09.52 | threat | mixter, that will run in the crontab and email you when updates are available |
| 13:09.58 | mixter | petemc: thanks! |
| 13:10.02 | stew | carlo: what version does "apt-cache policy xfonts-base" say for Candidate? |
| 13:10.04 | threat | mixter, its a good program |
| 13:10.12 | mixter | threat: sound great to me! |
| 13:10.18 | threat | :) |
| 13:10.42 | carlo | stew: 6.9.0.dfsg-1.4 |
| 13:11.14 | streuner | andy: KDE or GNOME? |
| 13:11.24 | streuner | too late |
| 13:11.26 | thctlo2 | nice claro, the stable = Candidate: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 |
| 13:11.45 | stew | carlo: have you tried making that directory? have you checked the bts? |
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| 13:12.54 | carlo | stew: i've maked the directory but after i try to install xfonts-base the directory doesen't exist |
| 13:13.07 | carlo | stew: i think that postinst remove the directory |
| 13:13.37 | stew | carlo: have you looked at the postinst? |
| 13:13.49 | stew | carlo: you get the same error even if you make the directory first? |
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| 13:14.53 | carlo | stew: yes i get the same error if i make the directory |
| 13:14.59 | fwtest | anyone tried tabbed thunderbird? |
| 13:15.03 | chrome | can someone tell me which package the 'ip' command is in? |
| 13:15.11 | memic | iproute |
| 13:15.12 | stew | chrome: iproute |
| 13:15.13 | petemc | iproute2 |
| 13:15.16 | petemc | or iproute |
| 13:15.23 | chrome | cheers |
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| 13:17.47 | stjepan | what do you think of my desktop: http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4932/shot1sf.png |
| 13:17.48 | epsilon | chrome: dpkg -S ip | grep ip$ |
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| 13:18.06 | chrome | epsilon: its a base install, wasn't installed :) |
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| 13:18.58 | epsilon | chrome: then apt-file search ip |
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| 13:19.10 | chrome | epsilon: ah, cool, thanks :) |
| 13:19.26 | stew | "apt-file search bin/ip" would get a much more sane list of results |
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| 13:19.58 | SimonRaven | *ping* |
| 13:20.04 | epsilon | *peng* |
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| 13:22.37 | xNinja | hello... |
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| 13:23.21 | sylvisj | hola |
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| 13:26.38 | kozmic | i got a server i need to make daily backups of. basically its some config files, webroot and mysql db. Are there any "apps" for these basic backup things? or do i need to write a script myself from the start and put it in cron? |
| 13:26.53 | useruser | rsync |
| 13:27.04 | chrome | kozmic: check out 'rsync' or 'dump' |
| 13:27.07 | kozmic | server doesnt have rsync, ftp only.. |
| 13:27.36 | chrome | kozmic: do you have ssh access? |
| 13:28.14 | kozmic | chrome: no :( |
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| 13:28.31 | xNinja | if i have a server inside a network wich dont have any port forward to it, and i want to control that server from outside the network...is there a way for that? wichout touching the firewall/router |
| 13:28.38 | useruser | kozmic: apt-cache search backup cron yields a few things |
| 13:29.13 | stew | xNinja: can you get to another machine on the other side of the firewall, whch has access to the server? |
| 13:29.38 | kozmic | useruser: yeah, i've checked it.. would be nice if anyone had some experience with any of those. but it seems there are no easy way out of this :) hehe, ill do some research i gues |
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| 13:29.50 | chrome | kozmic: you're kinda screwed without shell access to the server. Can you get your hosting company to cron a dump of the DB and tar the filesystem and put the files somewhere you can grab via authenticated HTTPS? |
| 13:29.54 | xNinja | yep i can Stereo |
| 13:29.56 | xNinja | stew |
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| 13:30.43 | kurtak | What tool(s) does one use to extract rpm files in non-redhat distros, like debian? |
| 13:30.44 | stew | xNinja: so you can then use ssh port forwarding through that machine to get to the server, man ssh and look at -F and -L |
| 13:30.46 | xNinja | physically i have full control to the server wich is inside that network but i dont have access to the firewall/router... |
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| 13:30.52 | kozmic | chrome: sorry, i confused you/myself. i have ssh access to the server, but the server the backup is transfered to i only have ftp access. |
| 13:30.58 | stew | kurtak: apt-cache show rpm |
| 13:31.13 | kozmic | kurtak: rpm2tgz and extract that.. one solution at least |
| 13:31.25 | xNinja | humm let me check stew :D |
| 13:31.42 | carlo | stew: i've found another problem, i've tryed to reinstall xfree86-common and it says that /usr/bin/X11 points to /usr/bin |
| 13:32.23 | stew | carlo: have you checked the bts? |
| 13:32.53 | carlo | stew: what's bts? |
| 13:32.58 | SimonRaven | !bts |
| 13:32.58 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 13:33.14 | xNinja | stew i think that ur my man :D |
| 13:33.19 | stew | ugh, running unstable and experimental... |
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| 13:33.25 | jharrisonwk | xNinja: something like ssh -L localport:destinationip:destinationport user@hostname |
| 13:33.35 | xNinja | yep thats it exactly :D |
| 13:33.41 | xNinja | what a kewl option :D |
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| 13:33.56 | carlo | stew: no i didn't check that i'm going to check it now |
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| 13:36.34 | duhast | ciao ! |
| 13:36.52 | xNinja | humm stew maybe i got confuse :D |
| 13:37.04 | jm_ | kurtak: alien or rpm2cpio |
| 13:37.23 | duhast | italia |
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| 13:38.33 | Rawplayer | how can you search for files/libs that are needed in debian packages? |
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| 13:39.22 | Rawplayer | nm |
| 13:39.24 | Rawplayer | apt-file |
| 13:39.28 | Rawplayer | that was what i needed |
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| 13:41.42 | maximus | Hi when I start hotplug I get not /etc/updfstab.conf found. I do not know how to make that file for myself. Could I use pmount to automount my drives... is(cdrom drives, use hdds) |
| 13:42.15 | maximus | Or does someone have a updfstab I could use as a starting point. |
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| 13:43.30 | maximus | Also to get around this I tried to install udev but keep geting and error:dpkg: error processing udev (--configure): |
| 13:43.30 | maximus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:43.43 | stew | maximus: what version of debian? |
| 13:43.52 | maximus | stew, sid |
| 13:44.01 | stew | maximus: what doesn "uname -r" say? |
| 13:44.17 | tralala | stew: does or doesn't ;) |
| 13:44.33 | stew | does |
| 13:44.35 | maximus | stew, 2.6.14-nitro2 |
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| 13:44.51 | epsilon | explosive kernel |
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| 13:45.19 | stew | i miss changelogs.d.n |
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| 13:45.42 | maximus | I have used the nitro and ck kernels for sometime know with little issues |
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| 13:46.08 | tralala | btw what's wrong with p.d.o? any announcements |
| 13:46.15 | epsilon | then compile your own kernel |
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| 13:46.45 | maximus | Is the udev issue because of the kernel? |
| 13:47.22 | tralala | maximus: could be |
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| 13:48.57 | maximus | tralala, Could you point me to a good website that will let me know what needs to be compiled as modules or in the kernel for udev? |
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| 13:49.48 | jharrisonwk | maximus: nothing NEEDS to be compiled in as modules for udev |
| 13:49.57 | tralala | maximus: no, not really. I've stopped compiling my owner kernels as soon as I realized I wasn't particularly good at it. |
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| 13:50.12 | tralala | s/owner/own/ |
| 13:50.39 | stew | maximus: i dont' think it's your kernel |
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| 13:51.43 | maximus | stew, I have googled this error but have not found any solutions. I found one old post that had the person use and older version of udev. I have tried 4 different versions all with the same issue. |
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| 13:52.15 | NOthsouth | I had a service listen my tcp port 999 called GARCON what is that? .. how can I kill it? |
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| 13:52.29 | maximus | stew, The main reason I am trying to install udev is because I do not have an updfstab.conf so nothing with dynamically get added to my fstab and automounted. |
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| 13:52.56 | stew | maximus: you get no other error? have you looked at the postinst script to see why its failing? checked the bts? |
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| 13:53.03 | rambo3 | how does one boot linux from dos |
| 13:53.04 | maximus | stew, Could pmount be used instead of updfstab or are thet two differnet animals |
| 13:53.06 | tralala | NOthsouth: man lsof, man fuser |
| 13:53.25 | stew | maximus: don't know anything about it. never heard of updfstab.conf either |
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| 13:53.50 | tralala | rambo3: with loadlin.exe |
| 13:53.52 | stew | rambo3: with loadlin maybe? |
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| 13:53.58 | rambo3 | yeah but how |
| 13:54.05 | triple5 | hi folks |
| 13:54.24 | tralala | rambo3: that has to be pretty well documented |
| 13:54.35 | rambo3 | yeah i fond manual |
| 13:54.37 | rambo3 | thx |
| 13:54.45 | triple5 | I am still on a mission to provide documentation how to recover a root password on debian, so far I haven't found a good solution |
| 13:54.48 | maximus | stew, Not to sound like a newbie but where can I find the postinst script? |
| 13:55.00 | stew | maximus: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 13:55.25 | triple5 | the problem is with the mount command, who can remember the correct one? |
| 13:55.28 | JohnFlux | How do I type a unicode character? |
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| 13:55.40 | JohnFlux | like say 0x0167 |
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| 13:57.26 | mrverbose | any idea where to get hbci packs for debian? |
| 13:57.27 | SynthGab | hello |
| 13:57.58 | abrotman | bonus points if you know what hbci is |
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| 13:58.26 | mrverbose | ;) abrotman homebanking computer interface == german standard api for onlinebanking |
| 13:58.46 | abrotman | like .. gnucash ? |
| 13:58.49 | mrverbose | with hbci packages i mean applications with hbci support |
| 13:58.51 | abrotman | !info gnucash sarge |
| 13:58.53 | dpkg | gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.8.10-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 1252 kB, Installed size: 3788 kB |
| 13:59.12 | ronin | mrverbose: they make you install somethign to do home online banking? |
| 13:59.18 | mrverbose | i am on testing due to a henne-egg security problem with debian sarge kernel |
| 13:59.27 | abrotman | ronin: it sounds like a direct interface to the bank .. no ? |
| 13:59.36 | ronin | ahh that makes more sense |
| 13:59.39 | abrotman | mrverbose: fine .. etch has gnucash also |
| 13:59.50 | mrverbose | ronin: its much more secure than with a browser, in fact i made them give me no account for banking via browser :) |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | mrverbose: you might actually want to ask the german channel |
| 13:59.52 | abrotman | !de |
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| 13:59.52 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:00.01 | abrotman | mrverbose: since we didn't even know what hbci was :) |
| 14:00.14 | stew | mrverbose: apt-cache search hbci |
| 14:00.25 | mrverbose | abrotman: search is empty stew |
| 14:00.30 | mrverbose | uhm |
| 14:00.34 | mrverbose | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.42 | abrotman | mrverbose: i have sarge .. and i get results |
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| 14:00.51 | abrotman | aqmoney ... gnucash-docs |
| 14:01.02 | abrotman | !info aqmoney etch |
| 14:01.03 | mrverbose | abrotman: i guess i got banned in debian.de channel for $whatever_reason, those people are crazy :) |
| 14:01.13 | mrverbose | abrotman: that was what i was looking for, its not in testing |
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| 14:01.23 | abrotman | !info aqmoney sarge |
| 14:01.25 | dpkg | aqmoney: (command line utility for HBCI homebanking), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 828 kB |
| 14:01.34 | mrverbose | aqmoney needs aqhbci and aqhbci is not in testing :( |
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| 14:01.44 | stew | mrverbose: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | it's not in sid either |
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| 14:01.58 | mrverbose | abrotman: it was some time ago |
| 14:01.59 | stew | !info qbankmanager |
| 14:02.05 | dpkg | qbankmanager: (online banking program with graphical interface), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.9.29-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 533 kB, Installed size: 1712 kB |
| 14:02.20 | mrverbose | i migrated back from sid to etch |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | mrverbose: apt-cache show gnucash-docs |
| 14:02.29 | mrverbose | and i kinda lost those packages on the way :) |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | seems to imply gnucash can do it |
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| 14:04.00 | mrverbose | abrotman: gnucash requires aqhbci for that |
| 14:04.25 | mrverbose | and since it doesnt include it, i doubt that will work, apart from gnucash is really overweight, i'd prefer qbankmanager or so |
| 14:04.33 | mrverbose | bbl, have to eat |
| 14:04.47 | streuner | hm, at this time |
| 14:04.51 | daxxar | !info gnucash sarge |
| 14:04.53 | streuner | Mi Feb 1 15:04:53 CET 2006 |
| 14:04.53 | dpkg | gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.8.10-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 1252 kB, Installed size: 3788 kB |
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| 14:05.15 | stew | mrverbose: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
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| 14:06.21 | ac3| | Hi |
| 14:06.23 | pat_ | !simple sid backport |
| 14:06.23 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 14:06.50 | ac3| | How can i disable the sshd 'login banner' (i don´t want to display the version) |
| 14:06.55 | abrotman | mrverbose: okeedokee |
| 14:07.17 | cusco | isn't it /etc/motd ? |
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| 14:08.03 | ac3| | no |
| 14:08.25 | ac3| | When i telnet to localhost 22 i get: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 14:08.28 | SimonRaven | /etc/issue.net |
| 14:08.30 | fireba11 | ac3|: what sshd login banner ? |
| 14:08.35 | xNinja | stew did u saw the picture ? |
| 14:08.47 | stew | xNinja: huh? |
| 14:09.02 | fireba11 | xNinja: you want to make a puzzle of it ? :-)# |
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| 14:09.19 | fireba11 | ac3|: why would you want to remove that ? |
| 14:09.21 | xNinja | hahaha http://62.215.83.38/d/ here is what i want to do |
| 14:09.39 | ac3| | because:) |
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| 14:09.44 | xNinja | stew this is a picture of what i want to do |
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| 14:10.12 | xNinja | anyone know how to do that ? |
| 14:10.44 | triple5 | how do I mount a hard drive? I think it is /dev/hda2 |
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| 14:11.06 | azeem | triple5: man mount |
| 14:11.19 | xNinja | triple5 mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 |
| 14:11.21 | ac3| | I don´t want users (bots) to do banner grabbing |
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| 14:11.53 | fireba11 | ac3| SimonRaven said it already ... /etc/issue.net |
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| 14:12.54 | triple5 | thanks xNinja |
| 14:13.03 | xNinja | welcome triple5:D |
| 14:13.11 | oklinux | what is the command to change the resolution in terminal xf86 something ? |
| 14:13.15 | ejofee | why doesn't debian use the multiples of a byte (for expressing a disk / partition / file size) in base ten (rather than base 2, like unix or windows)? is it absolutely necessary, is it just tradition, is it snobism? we are merely talking about capacity / size, after all! |
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| 14:13.26 | Greek-Boy | what is the command to check what version of linux i am running |
| 14:13.27 | Greek-Boy | ? |
| 14:13.34 | abrotman | !version |
| 14:13.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 14:13.35 | nvz | Greek-Boy: uname -r |
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| 14:13.43 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 14:14.25 | stew | xNinja: that picture doens't make sense to me, is there a third machine involved? |
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| 14:14.55 | xNinja | stew if i need to put third no problem but where ? |
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| 14:15.21 | poison | hi all, when I run 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.4.32-tux 2.4.32-tux' I get the following error: /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:15.28 | howcomes | "Designing for 90% of browsers is our policy? Here's a question. If I answered 10% of the sales calls with 'Hello [companyname], could you please fuck off"', how would that affect our sales?" |
| 14:15.31 | fireba11 | xNinja: still much to explain you have :-D |
| 14:15.42 | xNinja | stew the thing is the server 1 is inside a network wich dont have any port forward to it but it can connect to server 2 and with that session i want to control the server1 from server 2 |
| 14:15.47 | xNinja | humm |
| 14:15.49 | stew | xNinja: i don't know. i don't understand what you are trying to do |
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| 14:16.22 | stew | xNinja: you can't do anything with server1 unless you can talk to some machine that is on the same side of the firewall as it |
| 14:16.29 | SimonRaven | what's with the trollish questions ... |
| 14:16.38 | nvz | SimonRaven: its sunday |
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| 14:16.57 | SimonRaven | where? on mars? :P |
| 14:16.57 | xNinja | lets say i am at work and i have my computer there and i have my computer at home...but from home i cant connect to my computer at work...so how i can control my computer wich is in the work from home ? thats all |
| 14:17.05 | nvz | SimonRaven: no, in #debian |
| 14:17.12 | tralala | !sing sunday |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 14:17.14 | stew | xNinja: no |
| 14:17.23 | SimonRaven | it's *always* sunday here ;) |
| 14:17.30 | stew | xNinja: that's is precicely the point of the firewall |
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| 14:17.34 | nvz | SimonRaven: last notice I got was from lilo about tax reciepts.. didnt say anything about it not being sunday in #debian anymore |
| 14:17.49 | xNinja | yeah i know stew but it must be there a way or something wich can let me do it |
| 14:17.57 | toad_ | how do i get xserver-xfree86 to write /etc/X11/XF86Config ? I have done dpkg-reconfigure, and it doesn't create the file |
| 14:18.06 | jm_ | !mxd5 |
| 14:18.08 | toad_ | and I've done apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 too |
| 14:18.09 | jm_ | !xmd5 |
| 14:18.09 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 14:18.13 | stew | xNinja: if you could ssh to some other box at work, then maybe |
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| 14:18.16 | chealer_ | toad_: it's XF86Config-4 |
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| 14:18.21 | nvz | I could use my tax refund like 2 days ago |
| 14:18.29 | SimonRaven | it's -4 |
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| 14:18.39 | nvz | it will probably show up like same time my paycheck does |
| 14:18.40 | toad_ | jm_ thanks! |
| 14:18.49 | SimonRaven | fricking lag |
| 14:19.13 | xNinja | stew yeah thats easy but i cant connect from home to that network because of the firewall...so is there a way from letting my computer at work to connect to my computer at home and through that session or something like that to control it !? |
| 14:19.32 | jm_ | xNinja: yes, it's called reverse shell |
| 14:19.39 | stew | xNinja: you should be talking to your firewall administrator |
| 14:19.44 | xNinja | lol |
| 14:19.54 | ste | panthera: hi. can I query? |
| 14:20.01 | xNinja | jm_ continue plz :D |
| 14:20.10 | jm_ | xNinja: I can't be arsed, google for it |
| 14:20.32 | xNinja | i'll check that |
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| 14:21.29 | xNinja | Reverse Shell is used along a tunnel created with a Secure/Remote shell program. After a tunnel is created, commands and/or interactive shells can be launched back from the tunnel destination machine to the tunnel originating machine with the tunnel creator's credentials. |
| 14:21.36 | xNinja | thats it exactly what i need :D |
| 14:21.37 | triple5 | any hints how I can find out, what kind of filesystems are attached to my box? I am looking for a root partition of another debian system what are the criteria, what do I have to type into the shell? |
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| 14:21.47 | gahan | should alps touchpad work with xfree86-driver-synaptics on kernel 2.6.15.2 w/o patching kernel? |
| 14:21.52 | xNinja | jm_ thanks alot :D |
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| 14:22.02 | SimonRaven | 'a lot' |
| 14:22.04 | triple5 | xNinja maybe? |
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| 14:22.37 | nvz | triple5: fdisk -l, might help |
| 14:22.39 | stew | triple5: "fdisk -l" will list partitions and their types |
| 14:23.12 | triple5 | thanks stew and nvz one answer convinced me already... ;) |
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| 14:24.01 | triple5 | there is a problem, fdisk -l doesn't list anything |
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| 14:24.28 | xNinja | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 14:24.35 | fireba11 | how to sort output like du -sh * by size ? |
| 14:24.44 | xNinja | triple5 you should read :D man fdisk |
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| 14:24.50 | triple5 | sorry, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 14:24.56 | triple5 | is the correct one... |
| 14:25.05 | streuner | fireba11: sort? |
| 14:25.28 | azeem | streuner: sort will sort from the first digit, no? |
| 14:25.29 | triple5 | don't give me: 'man' I know man... man |
| 14:25.31 | fireba11 | streuner: yes .. modify the output i get the biggest number first ... that possible ? |
| 14:25.35 | xNinja | lol |
| 14:25.36 | azeem | so 2 > 111111 in that case |
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| 14:26.16 | sugarmice | Hi chaps - anyone installed Debian on a Sunfire 4200 |
| 14:26.22 | jm_ | fireba11: du -sk|sort -n |
| 14:26.33 | azeem | sugarmice: is that a sparc? |
| 14:26.40 | sugarmice | Or on any other machine using an LSI MPT Fusion SAS controller? |
| 14:26.44 | sugarmice | No - Opteron |
| 14:26.51 | fireba11 | jm_ nice, thanks |
| 14:27.13 | stew | du -sk *|sort -n ? |
| 14:27.20 | sugarmice | Quite a nice machine, (two dual-core CPUs, nice lights-out management) |
| 14:27.46 | azeem | sugarmice: people in #debian-boot might know more, if nobody in here knows |
| 14:28.02 | sugarmice | But if I configure a RAID disk on the controller, Debian can't see it. If I configure it as two separate disks, Debian is quite happy |
| 14:28.04 | kurtak | Is it dangerous to do this w/ a previous install of sdl: download sources, configure them to install w/ prefix=$HOME/local, then put in /etc/ld.so.conf the line "/home/me/local/lib"?? Will that mess things up w/ linking b/c there are sdl libs in /usr/lib and /home/me/local/lib ? |
| 14:28.11 | umbop | hey not too sure if people are familiar with spf records here, but i was wondering if: hey guys, i was wondering with an spf record would domain.com IN TXT v=spft1 ~all be a valid syntax ? or would i need to specify the mx's or a's ? |
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| 14:29.46 | sugarmice | I'll try the -boot guys then. I realise it's probably not a terribly common machine amongst most Debian users. :-) |
| 14:30.17 | jm_ | not sure which one we had, let me see |
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| 14:31.20 | tiny | Hi! Seem like my .bashrc isn't read anymore when I log into a machine. How can I fix that? |
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| 14:31.31 | threat | tiny, use .profile? |
| 14:31.34 | ne78 | How can i generate my own apt-repository from a directory that contains a few deb of mine ? |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | he should have tried -amd64 |
| 14:31.40 | jm_ | naah we had v20z |
| 14:31.49 | jm_ | tiny: /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 14:31.52 | threat | tiny, or inside your .profile file get it to execute .bashrc |
| 14:32.07 | tiny | threat: problem is I don't know why it stoped working |
| 14:32.08 | jm_ | ne78: there are several howtos dedicated to this topic |
| 14:32.15 | jm_ | !tell ne78 -about own repo |
| 14:32.19 | threat | tiny, it doesnt work when you SSH in |
| 14:32.26 | threat | tiny, only .profile is read from memory |
| 14:32.42 | ne78 | tiny maybe bash_profile |
| 14:32.43 | ne78 | # ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells. |
| 14:32.43 | ne78 | [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && source ~/.bashrc |
| 14:32.47 | tiny | threat: it worked when sshed or when loged directly |
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| 14:33.10 | ne78 | ne78 use that for .bash_profile and you are sure that .bashrc is execture every time |
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| 14:33.26 | threat | tiny, perhaps the new version doesnt any more :) but really the case is .bashrc is called when logging via shs |
| 14:33.27 | threat | ssh |
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| 14:33.40 | jm_ | ne78: why do you have to tell that to yourself? :P |
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| 14:34.10 | threat | ne78, lol, type in the first four chars of a nick, then press tab :P |
| 14:34.14 | oklinux | how do I upgrade debian to kde ? |
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| 14:34.17 | yos87 | HI |
| 14:34.24 | oklinux | kde 3.4 |
| 14:34.32 | ne78 | jm_: typo |
| 14:34.50 | mike-m | kde3.4 is obsolete |
| 14:34.51 | ne78 | jm_: so dpkg-scanpackages is the only thing needed |
| 14:34.53 | mike-m | oklinux: use sid :p |
| 14:35.04 | threat | mike-m, so is man |
| 14:35.06 | tiny | Aha .. maybe it's becouse I created .bash_profile and put only 1 line into it: eval "$(lesspipe)" Is this why my .bashrc isn't read anymore? |
| 14:35.21 | mike-m | 3.5.1 in it |
| 14:35.24 | threat | tiny, bingo |
| 14:35.41 | oklinux | mike-m would you explain that to me more clearly please Im new to debian |
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| 14:35.47 | tiny | threat: so can I put eval "$(lesspipe)" into .bashrc? |
| 14:35.51 | jm_ | you need eval $(lesspipe) anyway |
| 14:36.03 | tiny | jm_: yes very useful |
| 14:36.07 | threat | tiny, I dont see why not, but you should use .bash_profile or .profile |
| 14:36.40 | tiny | So I should put everything from .bashrc to .bash_profile + eval thing and delete .bashrc? |
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| 14:36.58 | ne78 | tiny i would recommend the opposite |
| 14:37.03 | mike-m | oklinux: oh sorry, I am really occupied right now |
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| 14:37.15 | ne78 | tiny put everything in .bashrc and make sure bash_profile run bashrcc |
| 14:37.21 | oklinux | ok can you help me later mike-m ? |
| 14:37.27 | mike-m | maybe |
| 14:37.31 | ne78 | tiny because not every shell is invoked as a login shell |
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| 14:37.51 | ne78 | tiny and you probably want your customization in every shell |
| 14:38.01 | ronove | what does "** (process:21098): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 14:38.01 | ronove | " mean? |
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| 14:38.22 | jsmidt | what package is the x-desktop |
| 14:38.23 | tiny | ne78, threat: thnx |
| 14:38.24 | toad_ | X is still not working for me. I've moved back to the bundled-with-sarge XF86 4.3, switched graphics cards to my old radeon 9000... and when I start X, if I have DRI enabled, it hangs, I think crashing the kernel |
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| 14:38.30 | ne78 | tiny: and in bashrc use: if [ "$PS1" ]; then |
| 14:38.34 | threat | tiny, np, any time |
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| 14:38.42 | ne78 | tiny: to avoid non interactive stuff |
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| 14:38.58 | toad_ | I tried to ssh in and there was no response, so I believe it crashes the kernel |
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| 14:39.41 | maximus | stew, It actually was a kernel config issue |
| 14:39.49 | ne78 | tiny: because i think .bashrc will be executed every system(), (but i'm not sure) |
| 14:40.25 | quiet | is there a way(and if so, can someone point me to a doc) to rebuild an entire Debian system from source... to optimize it for i686 or Pentium4? |
| 14:40.37 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 14:40.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
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| 14:40.42 | maximus | stew, Thanks for the tip on looking over the postinstall file. |
| 14:40.47 | fcn | I'm having trouble with firefox 1.5 on debian sid. when i try to read my webmail (gmail) i suddenly shuts down. is there a known reason for this? |
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| 14:40.53 | valdyn | quiet: its not worth the effort at all |
| 14:41.04 | resiak | fcn: have you checked the BTS? |
| 14:41.06 | quiet | ok |
| 14:41.08 | fireba11 | quiet: i doubt you got a real reason to do that |
| 14:41.18 | possie | how can i check which version of gcc the kernel is compiled? |
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| 14:41.32 | fcn | resiak, i don't know anything about BTS. what is it? |
| 14:41.32 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 14:41.36 | resiak | !btssmite fcn |
| 14:41.39 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 14:41.40 | toad_ | any ideas about my x crash? |
| 14:41.42 | quiet | well, it just seems to perform rather slowly... maybe it's it's just the kernel. |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | toad_: been drinking ? |
| 14:42.00 | toad_ | abrotman x11 crash |
| 14:42.05 | toad_ | not ex crash |
| 14:42.06 | valdyn | quiet: if you want to optimise your system for benchmarks for kicks, its sufficient if you just rebuild the most often used code, like for example your kernel, maybe libc6, ssh or whatever you use |
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| 14:42.18 | abrotman | toad_: i used to have a machine that if i enabled DRI/agpgart .. the machine would go totally belly up |
| 14:42.22 | resiak | or you could just install the i686 versions of libc6 and the kernel |
| 14:42.30 | toad_ | abrotman it used to work with the same card |
| 14:42.32 | abrotman | quiet: are you using kde ? |
| 14:42.33 | resiak | which are already built by Debian and in the archives. |
| 14:42.35 | quiet | no |
| 14:42.39 | toad_ | i only switched to nvidia for tv-out support |
| 14:42.55 | cusco | this like keeps showing up on my dmesg: i8253 count too high! resetting.. |
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| 14:43.01 | quiet | i'll play with it, thanks for the info though |
| 14:43.12 | toad_ | i switched back because i'd like an open driver, i don't need tv-out, and i'm getting horrendous stability issues with nvidia |
| 14:43.13 | abrotman | quiet: how much RAM do you have ? |
| 14:43.17 | quiet | 512 |
| 14:43.18 | quiet | MB |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | is something using it all ? |
| 14:43.28 | quiet | P4 - 2.4ghz |
| 14:43.31 | valdyn | quiet: recompiling is AT BEST in the 1x percentage range, usually much less, it wont make your system feel faster |
| 14:43.49 | Carlo | stew: i've changed a symlink and now xorg seems to work good but the keyboard doesen't work at all |
| 14:44.14 | quiet | abrotman, no... it's really not a big deal... it's probably just because I'm used to FreeBSD/Gentoo... I have a couple of other Debian boxes for things liek mrtg and smokeping... |
| 14:44.15 | toad_ | and apparently i get major (but different!) stability issues either way, with backported xorg 6.9 or with sarge's 4.3, with an nvidia 5200 or an ati 9000 |
| 14:44.50 | toad_ | and yes i did carefully replace EVERY backported package |
| 14:45.15 | toad_ | everything with version 6.9 (i checked status) |
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| 14:45.36 | valdyn | toad_: what kind of stability issues? |
| 14:45.42 | toad_ | two different issues |
| 14:46.01 | toad_ | with the nvidia card, the X server would crash out roughly every 24 hours |
| 14:46.02 | abrotman | quiet: you'd need to quantify something .. i mean .. you can't just say "feels slow" |
| 14:46.08 | toad_ | if i type something, it crashes |
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| 14:46.14 | abrotman | quiet: some days .. i feel slow |
| 14:46.16 | toad_ | that's with x.org |
| 14:46.28 | honschu | How to check if UDMA is beeing used? |
| 14:46.29 | toad_ | earlier, with xfree86, it would lose the keyboard and go to 100% cpu |
| 14:46.42 | toad_ | and if i logged out it would lose the console |
| 14:46.46 | toad_ | like when it crashed |
| 14:46.50 | Carlo | honschu: hdparm -v /dev/hdX |
| 14:46.54 | stew | honschu: cat /proc/ide/hda/settings |
| 14:46.56 | toad_ | now, with the radeon 9000, which i know works, i get a different problem |
| 14:47.04 | valdyn | toad_: with which kernel release / drivers ? |
| 14:47.07 | stew | honschu: replace hda with whichever drive you are concerned with |
| 14:47.14 | toad_ | if i enable dri in the XF86Config, it IMMEDIATELY crashes the kernel |
| 14:47.19 | quiet | abrotman, :) i know.... it's seriously not a big deal though.. It's more just for personal interests.... the system itself doesn't really perform slowly.. just... booting is a lot longer than with some other distros... but perhaps I'll rebuild a custom kernel and that will help. |
| 14:47.26 | honschu | stew: thanks a lot - Carlo too |
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| 14:47.50 | toad_ | valdyn: 2.6.14 with IT8212 (I'm not sure if I could use a debian kernel... maybe...) |
| 14:48.03 | valdyn | toad_: wth is IT8212 ? |
| 14:48.06 | toad_ | 2.6.14.6 |
| 14:48.27 | toad_ | valdyn it doesn't matter.. it's an IDE chipset, I have some drives on an IDE card |
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| 14:48.39 | Son1k | òóò äåâ÷åíêè åñòü? |
| 14:48.50 | Son1k | :) |
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| 14:48.55 | valdyn | toad_: are you using nvidias agp support or kernel's agpgart? |
| 14:49.05 | honschu | stew: How to check what UDMA(33/66/100 or 133) is used? |
| 14:49.51 | toad_ | valdyn i'm not sure... |
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| 14:50.04 | panthera | ste: yes |
| 14:50.06 | loggygreg | hi, in vim syntax highlighting doesn't work (etch) is it a work around |
| 14:50.08 | toad_ | i think agpgart and via_agp probably were loaded... |
| 14:50.11 | valdyn | toad_: lsmod | grep agpgart will show the hw independent kernel agp driver |
| 14:50.22 | honschu | How to check what UDMA(33/66/100 or 133) is used? |
| 14:50.25 | toad_ | right |
| 14:50.27 | valdyn | toad_: yea, that would be the kernel support for agp |
| 14:50.30 | Eclipser | loggygreg, did you try :syn on |
| 14:50.31 | toad_ | it was loaded in both instances |
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| 14:50.46 | loggygreg | error: no such group or event filetypedetect BufRead |
| 14:50.47 | toad_ | i'm sure i had both the nvidia and ati cards working well at one point |
| 14:50.54 | toad_ | at two points :) |
| 14:50.58 | loggygreg | Eclipser: yes |
| 14:51.00 | oklinux | how long is the debian net install take on dsl 2700 mhz 512 ram ? |
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| 14:51.07 | Eclipser | loggygreg, uh, your vim is borked :p |
| 14:51.17 | Myon | oklinux: a few minutes for the base install |
| 14:51.34 | oklinux | the desktop install |
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| 14:51.40 | valdyn | toad_: in all cases i think this might be related to agp issues, so you could try changeing that, or changeing the kernel. |
| 14:51.40 | toad_ | at the moment i have the ati card in with the open drivers |
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| 14:52.00 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 14:52.14 | toad_ | well with the ati card you have to use the kernel agp right? |
| 14:52.21 | toad_ | it might be a kernel issue though |
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| 14:52.41 | Eclipser | I gave up on my ATI card and bought nvidia |
| 14:52.42 | valdyn | toad_: with open drivers you have to use the kernel agp support, with the proprietary ones you dont, same for ati / nvidia |
| 14:52.47 | Myon | ~15min + download time |
| 14:52.50 | vin` | honschu: hdpard -i /dev/hda |grep \* |
| 14:52.52 | oklinux | Myon is 15 hour is sound right ? |
| 14:53.04 | vin` | honschu: hdparm rather |
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| 14:53.32 | the_man_w | hi, i am looking for a good tutorial for noobs^^ (best a german one) |
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| 14:53.41 | toad_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/01/msg00115.html |
| 14:53.42 | toad_ | aha |
| 14:53.47 | Myon | it downloads some... hmm... ~1GB or something like that |
| 14:54.05 | pyromatrx | is http://security.debian.org/ the correct URL for apt-get's sources.list? |
| 14:54.06 | honschu | vin`: thanks a lot - it's udma5 - is this UDMA(100)? |
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| 14:54.19 | stew | pyromatrx: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:54.24 | pyromatrx | woody |
| 14:54.27 | oklinux | 1796836 Myon |
| 14:54.52 | stew | pyromatrx: then yes, however note that security support for woody will cease in the next few months, you should consider an upgrade to sarge soon |
| 14:54.55 | Myon | I thought that was the unpacked size, but I could remember wrongly |
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| 14:55.03 | vin` | honschu: yes |
| 14:55.05 | pyromatrx | stew: yup, I'm doing an upgrade to sarge |
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| 14:55.31 | honschu | vi`: thanks a lot. |
| 14:55.39 | stew | pyromatrx: read the release notes for sarge, don't use apt-get for the upgrade |
| 14:55.47 | oklinux | Myon do you know how to upgrade to kde 3.4 ? |
| 14:56.02 | pyromatrx | stew: can I get the release notes on lynx? I feel a little disabled here |
| 14:56.09 | Myon | no |
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| 14:56.21 | stew | pyromatrx: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 14:56.24 | gault | hi |
| 14:56.28 | pyromatrx | stew: thanks |
| 14:56.44 | pyromatrx | is there a way to switch to lynx, or do I have to quit irssi? |
| 14:57.03 | stew | pyromatrx: ctrl-alt-f2 or f3/f4/f5 whatever |
| 14:57.17 | pyromatrx | thank you |
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| 14:58.55 | ekix | hi. what do you guys know about installing sarge w/ a daily build of etch installer? |
| 14:59.16 | ekix | i need 2.6.15 so that my mobo's hardware is supported (mainly serial ata) |
| 14:59.17 | tarzeau | ekix: i don't think that's possible |
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| 14:59.27 | gault | offtopic: "we will need x at your very earliest", it means ASAP or it means whenever I can? |
| 14:59.31 | valdyn | ekix: 2.6.14 is not sufficient? |
| 14:59.33 | vin` | the_man_w: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.de.html |
| 14:59.36 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 14:59.40 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 14:59.40 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 14:59.58 | ronin | gault: means right now usually |
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| 15:00.05 | gault | thanks ronin |
| 15:00.16 | sifi-xz | what does copyleft stands for? |
| 15:00.31 | oklinux | copyleft |
| 15:00.38 | vin` | sifi-xz: opposite of copyright |
| 15:01.04 | sifi-xz | vin`, but why does FSF have "Copyright ...." in the footer of the page then? |
| 15:01.13 | the_man_w | thx vin |
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| 15:02.23 | houn_ | My Xorg install went funny, I think. I get "No valid FontPath found", and in the xorg.conf there are no fontpath entries... |
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| 15:02.45 | fireba11 | sifi-xz see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft |
| 15:03.17 | tralala | any ideas where (if) I could find perl WWW::Mechanize in debian? |
| 15:03.26 | gault | bye |
| 15:03.27 | sifi-xz | fireba11, I know, I dont just get why GPL licenses begin with "Copyright YYYY AUTHOR." instead of copyleft |
| 15:03.31 | ekix | valdyn, unfortunately no. the mobo has serverworks ht1000 w/ integrated sata which doesn't have support in 2.6.14 :( |
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| 15:03.39 | jjazz | sifi-xz: see 17 USC 401(b) |
| 15:03.44 | cisse | houn: apt-get install xfont-base xfont-75dpi (might be fonts) |
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| 15:03.57 | nixie | I've read that 2.6 kernels are better at handling directories with large amounts of files (50.000+) than 2.4 servers. does this hold any truth |
| 15:04.12 | houn | cisse: Thanks |
| 15:04.14 | nixie | s/servers/kernels/ |
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| 15:04.25 | cisse | nixie: wouldn't surprise me |
| 15:04.34 | fireba11 | nixie: file system parts of the kernel got improved a lot from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 15:04.36 | valdyn | sifi-xz: Copyright is specific laws that are used to achieve 'copyleft' ( which is just a term for a special license coined by the fsf or rms or whoever ) |
| 15:04.42 | nixie | I'm trying to improve the performance of my massively hammered mailserver. |
| 15:04.50 | jjazz | sifi-xz: It's a form provided by congress for giving notice of copyright. "Copyleft FSF 2006" wouldn't meet that statutory requirement. |
| 15:04.53 | nvz | sifi-xz: copyleft is not recognized by the cort. |
| 15:04.54 | houn | cisse: Yeah, fonts, plural. Thanks though. |
| 15:04.58 | nvz | court |
| 15:05.03 | nixie | already switched to noatime but opening large IMAP or POP3 folders is still slow |
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| 15:05.24 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 15:05.25 | dpkg | [custom d-i] http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 15:05.29 | valdyn | ekix: ^^^ |
| 15:05.39 | ekix | valdyn, thanks :) |
| 15:05.45 | fireba11 | nixie: uhm .. you mailboxes are maildir format i hope ? |
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| 15:05.51 | Crissi | hi |
| 15:06.00 | Crissi | how i can limit the traffic used by apt? |
| 15:06.00 | sifi-xz | valdyn, cool, thx for the answer |
| 15:06.10 | valdyn | ekix: you could try the sid installer too i guess ( or even testing ), but all these ways have their issues, unfortunately i dont know about a sarge 2.6.15 installer |
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| 15:06.25 | fireba11 | Crissi: ? |
| 15:06.35 | davex2712 | hola a todos |
| 15:06.45 | nixie | fireball: yes. |
| 15:06.49 | CosmoDad | concerning ssh, is there a way to disallow anything but pubkey-based login to my account without touching /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 15:06.51 | nixie | im using courier imap/pop3 |
| 15:06.57 | nixie | on an XFS filesystem |
| 15:06.59 | ekix | valdyn, many many thanks :) |
| 15:07.09 | jjazz | Crissi: trickle can throttle it. |
| 15:07.19 | Crissi | whats that? |
| 15:07.24 | sifi-xz | valdyn, jjazz nvz thx |
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| 15:07.42 | Crissi | i miss a option at apt... like --upload-speed --download-speed |
| 15:07.53 | jjazz | Crissi: apt-cache search trickle |
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| 15:08.08 | dbernar1 | in i A xmag - X client - xmag ----- from Aptitude, what does the A mean? |
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| 15:08.13 | jjazz | Crissi: AFAIK, apt-get doesn't have an option like that. |
| 15:08.23 | Crissi | jjazz: should be reported as bug |
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| 15:08.42 | fireba11 | nixie: that should be about the fastest setup possible just judging from what i know ... still kernel 2.6 would give the filesystem a seppdup of about 5-10% if i remember the benchmark test correctly |
| 15:08.43 | rolemodel | grant that user exclusive ownership and rights to the exported Subversion repositories, and only run their server processes as that user. --> how do i accomplish this after adding a system user? |
| 15:08.47 | Crissi | stew: limit the upload speed (depends on download speed) |
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| 15:08.56 | stew | Crissi: how do you use apt to upload? |
| 15:09.03 | Crissi | no... |
| 15:09.07 | jjazz | Crissi: you're welcome to report it as such. I think it will be taken more as a feature request than a bug. In either case, if you submit a patch with it, somebody might even change it. |
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| 15:09.33 | Crissi | but if you have a adsl connection you have very small upload and if you have a big download upload can be flooded |
| 15:09.40 | nixie | fireba11: i think i should switch to raid10 then. raid1 isnt cutting it |
| 15:09.48 | stew | Crissi: what do you upload with apt? |
| 15:09.58 | Crissi | nothing.. |
| 15:10.01 | Crissi | understand me |
| 15:10.05 | stew | no |
| 15:10.17 | Crissi | if you have a big download then your upload is used for answer packages |
| 15:10.21 | ronove | how could you get an 'active processes' list? |
| 15:10.41 | Crissi | then at small upload bandwidth it can be bad |
| 15:10.45 | sifi-xz | Can some stupid pornsite use my webcode if I publish it as GFDL? |
| 15:10.50 | Crissi | ronove: ps ax |
| 15:10.58 | jjazz | sifi-xz: If they comply with the GPL, sure. |
| 15:11.12 | sifi-xz | jjazz, so you would not use GFDL on your site? |
| 15:11.28 | fireba11 | Crissi: i knwo that happening with windows .. linux should manage network good enough for that not to happen |
| 15:11.43 | jjazz | sifi-xz: Sorry, I thought you said GPL, but the answer is the same. If you GFDL something, anybody can use it if they comply with the GFDL. |
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| 15:11.54 | Crissi | fireba11: right.. upload is nuch so a problem as download |
| 15:11.58 | jjazz | Crissi: I'm on an adsl line, and I've never had that happen. |
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| 15:12.10 | sifi-xz | jjazz, well wiki is under GFDL and I've never seen any pornsite using their interface yet ;) |
| 15:12.28 | sifi-xz | jjazz, so I guess it's waterproof |
| 15:13.29 | jjazz | sifi-xz: I'm not familiar with the specifics of wiki's licensing, but I doubt they use the GFDL for their interface. Their content, sure, but probably not the interface. |
| 15:13.52 | sifi-xz | jjazz, prolly the whole site |
| 15:13.57 | sifi-xz | as is says |
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| 15:15.20 | jjazz | sifi-xz: It says "all text is available under the" GFDL. The interface isn't text. |
| 15:15.27 | sifi-xz | jjazz, true |
| 15:15.47 | sifi-xz | jjazz, the PHP code is not avalible? |
| 15:16.03 | jjazz | sifi-xz: It's available, just under a different license. |
| 15:16.18 | sifi-xz | jjazz, where can I find it? |
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| 15:16.59 | jjazz | sifi-xz: I don't know. Check wikimedia or ask google. |
| 15:17.19 | abrotman | ack .. too many z's! |
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| 15:17.35 | jjazz | abrotman: Getting sleepy? |
| 15:17.48 | abrotman | jjazz: no ... not really |
| 15:17.53 | js_ | what filesystem do the driver-x.bin floppies in woody use? |
| 15:17.54 | kspath | abrotman: just use whiteout to cover up the zzzzzzzzz's |
| 15:17.56 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm still not sure about tonight .. |
| 15:18.17 | SimonRaven | !whiteout kspath |
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| 15:18.46 | jjazz | abrotman: Just do it. You'll be glad you did. It's entertainment and information. Tell your boss it's job-related training. |
| 15:19.39 | holy_cow | is it possible to get ssh to autologin to accounts wihtout asking for a passphrase? i have it automounting fine but it requires a passphrase question at loggin doubling the number of passwords they need to remember ... ? |
| 15:19.56 | ejofee | why doesn't debian include nexuiz? |
| 15:20.04 | abrotman | jjazz: it's not nearly job related :) |
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| 15:20.25 | abrotman | holy_cow: keys ? |
| 15:20.26 | jjazz | abrotman: You don't use free software at work? This is a compliance issue. |
| 15:20.28 | abrotman | ejofee: which is ? |
| 15:20.32 | abrotman | jjazz: sure we do |
| 15:21.03 | davex2712 | somebody speak spanish |
| 15:21.07 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:21.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:21.09 | holy_cow | abrotman, i have rsa keys setup, but upon reboot at login they require a one time passphrase input ... normally this is okay but i'm trying to simplify the number of passwords they need to remember |
| 15:21.21 | SimonRaven | holy_cow: ssh key |
| 15:21.21 | davex2712 | thnks |
| 15:21.30 | dbernar1 | I have 2 files in my home directory, --root, and --help. How do I delete them? |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | holy_cow: ssh keys have nothing to do with booting up |
| 15:21.40 | holy_cow | of course they don't |
| 15:21.45 | ejofee | abrotman: a very nice, gpl'd, 3d shooter (resembling quake); it works as a network / internet multiplayer game. it is included in other distros. |
| 15:21.49 | holy_cow | they still require a one time pass input at first login tho |
| 15:22.04 | abrotman | ejofee: oh .. i remember that game |
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| 15:22.14 | vin` | holy_cow: http://www.debian.org/devel/passwordlessssh |
| 15:22.28 | fluxwhore | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.28 | holy_cow | okay lets try that ... i'm googled out |
| 15:22.29 | holy_cow | heh |
| 15:22.37 | abrotman | ejofee: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311479 |
| 15:22.54 | dbernar1 | I got it. |
| 15:23.08 | holy_cow | oh okay, ssh-add only works for the current session your logged into |
| 15:23.26 | holy_cow | logout and log back in and to mount the ssh account you still need a one time pass |
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| 15:23.50 | Carlo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337637 this bug is still working for me with version 6.9 |
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| 15:25.30 | orlowsks | Quick question.. I'm still learning debian, How do you find out it a station is using stable, testing, and so forth? |
| 15:25.33 | pyromatrx | what should I do if lilo refuses to boot? |
| 15:25.34 | valdyn | ejofee: and where is the source code for this 'gpl' game? |
| 15:25.43 | lindi- | orlowsks: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:25.53 | streuner | pyromatrx: what error? |
| 15:25.55 | pyromatrx | instead of "LILO Booting.." it shows "LI", then freezes |
| 15:26.00 | streuner | !li |
| 15:26.00 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 15:26.06 | orlowsks | Thank you lindii |
| 15:26.24 | jjazz | abrotman: If you use free software at work, you need to keep abreast of the coming changes in the license. That makes it a job-related issue. |
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| 15:26.36 | jjazz | (think your boss will buy it?) |
| 15:26.36 | abrotman | jjazz: that's not the topic of the speech |
| 15:26.56 | abrotman | jjazz: http://dp.seas.upenn.edu/ |
| 15:27.07 | pyromatrx | streuner: where do I view the large-disk-mini-howto? |
| 15:27.10 | abrotman | jjazz: i mean .. it kind of is |
| 15:27.12 | orlowsks | But it shows both stable and testing listings |
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| 15:27.19 | secher | what's the channel name for irc administration? |
| 15:27.24 | abrotman | #freenode ? |
| 15:27.24 | holy_cow | allright lets give this a try |
| 15:27.31 | pyromatrx | !grub |
| 15:27.31 | dpkg | i guess grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | secher: you driving tonight ? |
| 15:27.34 | streuner | pyromatrx: try www.tldp.org |
| 15:27.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes #freenode |
| 15:27.41 | secher | abrotman: ?? |
| 15:27.45 | abrotman | secher: to penn |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | secher: Moglen is speaking |
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| 15:27.54 | ejofee | valdyn: are you asking, or objecting? (just making sure) |
| 15:27.56 | pyromatrx | streuner: thanks |
| 15:28.05 | jjazz | abrotman: What's the stated topic, then? |
| 15:28.10 | secher | abrotman: Really???? |
| 15:28.15 | abrotman | jjazz: Eben Moglen presents “From the GPL to the Free Society” |
| 15:28.20 | abrotman | secher: YES!!! |
| 15:28.24 | abrotman | secher: but at 6pm |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | i usually work til 6pm or so |
| 15:28.37 | secher | abrotman: Penn as in U of P or Penn State? |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | as in Penn .. |
| 15:28.54 | orlowsks | lindi: But it shows both stable and testing listings |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | secher: i wouldn't care if it were at PSU |
| 15:29.13 | lindi- | orlowsks: that it might be a mix of both, i wouldn't recommend that |
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| 15:29.17 | abrotman | secher: http://dp.seas.upenn.edu/?p=20 |
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| 15:29.42 | pyromatrx | sorry this is non debian related, but being new to linux, how can I switch to another channel I have joined in irssi? |
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| 15:30.04 | abrotman | pyromatrx: /w # , ctrl-n, ctrl-p |
| 15:30.12 | streuner | pyromatrx: /j #foo to join, /part #foo to leave |
| 15:30.14 | jjazz | pyromatrx: alt-<number of channel> |
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| 15:30.32 | valdyn | ejofee: im asking, i dont see a source code tarball on their site or on sourceforge |
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| 15:31.05 | pyromatrx | thank you |
| 15:31.19 | poweruser23 | hi , i just installed debian sarge kernel-2.4.27 on my new powerbook5.8 , the problem is that the system can't see my ethernet nic any sugestions? |
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| 15:31.44 | abrotman | valdyn: not the zip file ? |
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| 15:32.12 | ejofee | valdyn: neither do i. i am trying to find an url. |
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| 15:32.35 | secher | abrotman: Wow. I may just have to hop a train, my VW is currently w/o transmission, and Andrea works till 5 at the earliest.. Fsck. I wish I'd haerd of this a couple of days ago, I"d have made arrangements. I've *got* to be there. |
| 15:33.06 | secher | abrotman: where do you work? |
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| 15:33.16 | kspath | pyromatrx: alt-leftarrow alt-rightarrow |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | secher: KoP |
| 15:33.42 | abrotman | secher: i asked you last night if you were driving |
| 15:34.02 | nvz | abrotman: Kings Of Porn? |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | no .. all we have a is a hooters |
| 15:34.49 | secher | I must have missed it, I crashed at the keybd at around 9:30, and didn't stir until 3AM. My arms and legs were so numb I couldn't move for 2 minutes. |
| 15:35.00 | vin` | heh |
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| 15:35.24 | abrotman | secher: good job |
| 15:35.25 | nvz | oh, you can move.. its just not real easy |
| 15:35.36 | secher | nvz: King of Prussia, named in honor of the assistance we received during the Revolutionary war. |
| 15:35.46 | fwtest | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.48 | nvz | it makes me laugh cause it tickles and you walk like you have no bones |
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| 15:35.56 | secher | nvz: it was the agony of pins and needles that kept me still. :) |
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| 15:36.59 | nvz | happens to me after I take a nice big Larry at work, and wipe my Howie.. and go to get up off the Terry |
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| 15:37.36 | jjazz | nvz: I have no idea what that means, but I found it vaguely disgusting. |
| 15:37.38 | secher | abrotman: If I can get Andrea out of work at 4:30, and I can be at KoP by 5:20 or so, you want to see of you can get out? |
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| 15:38.00 | nvz | jjazz: Terry is the foreman (toilet), Howie is the boss (ass). and Larry is the black guy that drives the forklift (shit) |
| 15:38.09 | pyromatrx | !li |
| 15:38.09 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 15:38.35 | jjazz | nvz: Now I'm really disgusted. Blech. |
| 15:38.39 | nvz | heh |
| 15:38.44 | pyromatrx | grub > lilo? |
| 15:38.48 | secher | nvz: you're in Aus, yes? |
| 15:39.03 | nvz | secher: if Aus is a new abbreviation for Pittsburgh |
| 15:39.06 | secher | pyromatrx: imho, lilo > grub |
| 15:39.32 | pyromatrx | I'd like to hear your opinion on that |
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| 15:39.36 | pyromatrx | I often hear grub > lilo |
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| 15:39.47 | mgoetze | grub rulz |
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| 15:40.02 | nvz | Larry is probably actually the coolest one.. he's just gets the honor of me saying I am "going to take a Larry" because he is so good at blowing it up on company time |
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| 15:45.50 | kspath | secher: puddle of drool? |
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| 15:46.13 | bayer | phpinfo() claims that php4 is configured with --without-mysql - no mysql support per default? how can i activate it? |
| 15:46.23 | ejofee | valdyn: http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/official/2006.0/SRPMS/contrib/nexuiz-data-1.2-1mdk.src.rpm (12-Sep-2005 15:22 157M); http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/official/2006.0/SRPMS/contrib/nexuiz-1.2-2mdk.src.rpm (12-Sep-2005 15:14 1.0M) |
| 15:46.58 | ejofee | valdyn: happy hacking! and if you find somebody from debian, please tell them to take if from mandriva and to include it among the debian packages. thanks. |
| 15:47.51 | bayer | anyone? |
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| 15:48.47 | loggygreg | Eclipser: the problem come from the fact that vimrc for vim 6.3 is not compatible with vimrc for 6.4 |
| 15:48.53 | chealer | bayer: is php4-mysql installed? |
| 15:49.03 | bryndza | Hi, I have a non-linux specific question but i don`t know where else to ask. Is somebody here who can help with link aggregation of two 54Ghz wifi links into one ? |
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| 15:49.38 | shingouz | bryndza: try #wireless ? |
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| 15:49.42 | kspath | 5.4? |
| 15:49.47 | bryndza | 22Ghz, sorry :) |
| 15:50.00 | bryndza | ok, thanks |
| 15:50.05 | secher | pyromatrx: lilo > grub b/c of straightforwardness and simplicity. I think Grub sort of denies the UNIX ideal because of it's complexity. It could be because of my lack of knowledge, but there you are. |
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| 15:50.25 | ejofee | valdyn: still there? |
| 15:50.28 | secher | abrotman: I'm afk for a bit. |
| 15:50.40 | bayer | chealer - yes - it is installed |
| 15:50.59 | pyromatrx | secher: to be honest I was drawn to grub because of its graphical interface. but you can't blame. I'm fresh out of windows =P |
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| 15:51.17 | ronove | how do I force TeamSpeak into using ALSA ? |
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| 15:53.24 | abrotman | secher: i can |
| 15:53.43 | abrotman | secher: think we could make it from KoP to Penn in 45 minutes at 5pm ? |
| 15:54.17 | eeyore- | bayer: you need to actually load the mysql extension |
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| 15:54.47 | eeyore- | bayer: find /etc -name "php*.ini", edit them all. each one, add "extension=mysql.so" |
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| 15:55.47 | pyromatrx | how do I view my version of debian and the kernel? |
| 15:55.54 | houn | Hey, does anyone have a good repository with Firefox 1.5 on it? |
| 15:56.08 | thingfish | pyromatrx: cat /etc/debian_version and uname -r |
| 15:56.08 | houn | pyromatrx: uname -a for the kernel |
| 15:56.39 | pyromatrx | also, I was looking for a sshd. is there a list of available packages? |
| 15:56.50 | bayer | eeyore- thats what i did |
| 15:56.55 | bbrazil | pyromatrx: apt-cache |
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| 15:57.04 | Petaris | Hello |
| 15:57.33 | bayer | eeyore- but it seems to be a problem with the configure part - php doesnt recognize the mysql_connect function |
| 15:57.46 | chealer | houn: yes, Debian mirrors |
| 15:57.54 | pyromatrx | thanks lots |
| 15:57.57 | Guerin | bayer: install php4-mysql |
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| 15:59.16 | Petaris | I am trying to install (via apt) postfix postfix-pcre postfix-tls postfix-mysql dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d but it keeps wanting to grab mysql-common and libmysqlclient12, is there a way to stop that from happening (I have a binary installation of the latest mysql already installed) |
| 15:59.50 | houn | chealer: Is that a specific site or something? Google Search isn't helpful on that, hehe |
| 16:00.20 | Guerin | Petaris: use debian mysql packages, not your own. |
| 16:00.31 | chealer | houn: no, all official Debian mirrors should have firefox 1.5 in sid |
| 16:00.55 | houn | chealer: Ah, I'm only on Etch. |
| 16:01.00 | Petaris | Guerin: The debian (stable) ones are too old |
| 16:01.02 | chealer | houn: get it from sid |
| 16:01.02 | fluxwhore | i've got leases in the dhcpd.leases file with expiry of the year 2038, how did this happen? the dhcpd.conf says default lease time 3600 (seconds) and max lease time 36000 (seconds) |
| 16:01.04 | yos87 | hi] |
| 16:01.14 | Guerin | Petaris: or if you insist on using your own, bear in mind that 1) programs might not work with them; 2) we can't support them at all, and 3) you'll need to use equivs to make dummy packages to fool apt into letting you use them. |
| 16:01.15 | houn | chealer: A thought. Now, to learn how to backport... |
| 16:01.32 | Guerin | Petaris: they're not too old. |
| 16:01.36 | kspath | Petaris: Do not mix. Either use all the Debian ones or all your builds. |
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| 16:02.02 | Guerin | kspath: there's no need to be fundamentalist about it |
| 16:02.21 | houn | ... |
| 16:02.24 | Petaris | Guerin: I need mysql 5, 4.1 is the newest in apt |
| 16:02.24 | houn | Thanks, dpkg |
| 16:02.25 | kspath | ??? |
| 16:02.28 | Guerin | !need |
| 16:02.29 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
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| 16:02.31 | cisse | fluxwhore: what's the date on that machine and the dhcp server |
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| 16:02.32 | houn | Simple Sid Backport is anything but. |
| 16:02.58 | thingfish | hehe "you do need beer, though" |
| 16:03.02 | thingfish | amen, brother. |
| 16:03.13 | tzafrir | If I want to maintain several apt sources that share many of their files and do that by using a pool, I basically have to use dak, right? |
| 16:03.19 | cisse | Petaris: 5.0 is in unstable |
| 16:03.22 | tzafrir | Or is there any easier way? |
| 16:03.33 | kspath | You need shelter and clothing unless in a very warm climate and shelter from sun. |
| 16:03.38 | micekiller | if a keyboard is not fully sopported by xorg and no bug report ist filed against which package should one file a bug? |
| 16:03.47 | cisse | tzafrir: do you want to run your own repository or simply cache someone elses ? |
| 16:03.51 | thingfish | kspath: + beer |
| 16:03.52 | kspath | There is NO need for a computer and therefore no NEED for Debian. |
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| 16:04.16 | cisse | kspath: relax |
| 16:04.16 | thingfish | blashpemy! |
| 16:04.17 | tzafrir | cisee, my own (a modified debian, with many aadditions) |
| 16:04.30 | thingfish | oops I mean blasphemy. |
| 16:04.35 | cisse | tzafrir: i think there are some other options, there was a good article about that on debian-administration.org |
| 16:04.51 | chealer | houn: you don'T have to backport |
| 16:05.25 | HazyNRG | how can i set the recipient of root's mails? |
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| 16:05.44 | chealer | houn: hum, I'm not so sure actually. if you do, get a previous version from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 16:05.59 | houn | chealer: Huh? |
| 16:06.09 | Jason68__ | hi all |
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| 16:06.42 | Jason68__ | i have a problem with a file -i file.gz output |
| 16:06.42 | chealer | houn: you don't need to backport sid's firefox to install it on etch |
| 16:06.44 | vin` | HazyNRG: /etc/aliases |
| 16:06.48 | VivekVC | I accidentally pressed Y to the move mail to /home/mail folder how do i undo that action in mutt ? |
| 16:06.55 | VivekVC | Thanks in advance |
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| 16:07.10 | Jason68__ | i get: file.gz: application/octet-stream |
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| 16:07.12 | HazyNRG | thanks :) |
| 16:07.23 | fluxwhore | cisse it's been around a while, I don't know I didn't set this one up, before my time, I just killed a stack of stale leases manually and all is working again now... |
| 16:07.27 | Jason68__ | and not: file.gz: application/x-gzip |
| 16:07.42 | Jason68__ | anyone an idee? |
| 16:07.55 | fluxwhore | hopefully this won't happen again since I've just checked that the config is correct and the stale leases dated back to 2004 |
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| 16:08.36 | rohan | hi all .. any splashy users here ? |
| 16:08.59 | rohan | i want to know whether splash will work on a 640x480 framebuffer. |
| 16:09.08 | abrotman | try it ? |
| 16:09.24 | rohan | abrotman: does not work. :_ |
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| 16:09.30 | rohan | i have an intel i810 card |
| 16:09.35 | abrotman | i blame nvidia! |
| 16:09.39 | rohan | the vsafb fails. only vga16fb works. |
| 16:09.46 | abrotman | hrm .. i can deduct my fn donation ? |
| 16:09.49 | rohan | at 640x480 |
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| 16:11.00 | vin` | would vga=791 work? |
| 16:11.18 | rohan | vin`: no |
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| 16:11.46 | humboldt | does anybody know how I call a normal phone number with a sip phone? sip: callto: ?? |
| 16:12.11 | abrotman | valdyn: did you find the sources ? |
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| 16:13.13 | Jason68__ | does anyone know how "file -i file.gz" outputs "file.gz: application/x-gzip" instead of file.gz: application/octet-stream" |
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| 16:14.14 | triple5 | hi folks, if I have a password in /etc/shadow for example root:$1$f0987qel%^&skhknjqawe09gf:... will the password be the same if I copy it to another user? I mean, will the other user have to enter the same password as root? Do I have to restart something first? |
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| 16:14.35 | Jason68__ | triple5: yes |
| 16:14.38 | cisse | triple5: yep |
| 16:14.46 | triple5 | what do I have to restart? |
| 16:14.51 | rohan | if i have to use i810fb, i'd need to recompiule the complete kernel .. which is a major PITA |
| 16:14.52 | Jason68__ | triple5: no |
| 16:15.02 | deepy_ | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 16:15.04 | deepy_ | and i just updated my kernel |
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| 16:15.18 | cisse | triple5: nothing |
| 16:15.21 | Deepa | what should i do? |
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| 16:15.28 | rohan | anyone know how to get a decent framebuffer resolution on an i810 card, using vesafb or vga16gb ? |
| 16:15.44 | cisse | deepy: recompile the nvidia modules |
| 16:15.51 | Deepa | "recompile"? |
| 16:15.51 | stew | Jason68__: judging from the output of "strings /usr/share/file/magic.mime.mgc | grep gzip" there is no way that file -i would ever return application/x-gzip, you may want to file a wishlist bug against file, for bonus points submit a patch as well |
| 16:16.00 | Deepa | i havent even got them! |
| 16:16.03 | Deepa | how do i get them? |
| 16:16.08 | triple5 | Jason68: I did that, but I copied the password from another /etc/shadow file, now it doesn't work, instead when I logged in as that user he still had the old password... |
| 16:16.14 | johaBBa | i have a co-located sarge box with ONE nic, the co-lo admins have assigned me 2 more IP address. how can i add virtual interfaces to use these new IP addresses? |
| 16:17.00 | fluxwhore | gotten all dhcpd working again, tested with dhcpcd on another machine, but how do I release that ip now? |
| 16:17.00 | chealer | !tell Deepa about ngd |
| 16:17.00 | Deepa | which is great |
| 16:17.00 | Deepa | as i have no webbrowser |
| 16:17.01 | cisse | johaBBa: ethernet alias's |
| 16:17.01 | johaBBa | cisee, googling....... |
| 16:17.01 | chealer | Deepa: check the page, it tells you what to do in that case too |
| 16:17.04 | rohan | Deepa: are you indian ? :) |
| 16:17.04 | triple5 | and.. hi there cisse you hang out a lot here hmm |
| 16:17.09 | stew | Jason68__: add another entry to interfaces called "eth0:1" ; man interfaces |
| 16:17.12 | Deepa | rohan: swedish :> |
| 16:17.15 | stew | johaBBa: ^^^^ |
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| 16:17.22 | stew | Jason68__: sorry, misfire |
| 16:17.23 | rohan | Deepa: ok. indian name :> |
| 16:17.28 | Deepa | :) |
| 16:17.31 | Deepa | well Deepy was taken |
| 16:17.45 | rohan | oh, ok. |
| 16:17.57 | rohan | hmm.. i810 sucks. |
| 16:18.01 | johaBBa | cisse, stew: aaah. i see now. thanks to you both! |
| 16:18.07 | Deepa | i810? |
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| 16:18.10 | triple5 | oh, Jason68__ I had your name too short.. |
| 16:18.13 | cisse | johaBBa: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces has an example of using aliases |
| 16:18.17 | triple5 | Jason68__: I did that, but I copied the password from another /etc/shadow file, now it doesn't work, instead when I logged in as that user he still had the old password... |
| 16:18.21 | rohan | Deepa: the intel i810 video card :( |
| 16:18.24 | lilminime | hi everyone |
| 16:18.28 | lilminime | i got a problem |
| 16:18.29 | Deepa | ah :| |
| 16:18.32 | Deepa | i got a FX 5200 |
| 16:18.33 | cisse | johnbba: you basically add an iface eth0:1 entry |
| 16:18.34 | Deepa | its worse :P |
| 16:18.34 | lilminime | with a wireless usb card |
| 16:18.39 | triple5 | !ask |
| 16:18.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:18.59 | lilminime | My card is Airl:Link 7554 |
| 16:19.11 | lilminime | it doesnt find the module |
| 16:19.25 | lilminime | ive running debian-installer |
| 16:19.28 | rohan | Deepa: atleast you get a decent fb. i get a 640x480 :| |
| 16:19.41 | Deepa | :| |
| 16:19.43 | pyromatrx | now that I've installed webmin-sshd, where can I find documentation? |
| 16:19.50 | Deepa | im gonna get a AMD athlon later on :) |
| 16:19.55 | Deepa | getting rid of my old intel celeron |
| 16:19.58 | cisse | pryomat: /usr/share/doc |
| 16:20.03 | Deepa | 3-5months left :D |
| 16:20.05 | pyromatrx | cisse: thanks |
| 16:20.13 | cisse | np |
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| 16:20.30 | triple5 | promatrix also try info webmin-sshd |
| 16:20.38 | Deepa | is webmin any good btw? |
| 16:20.40 | rohan | Deepa: lucky :) |
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| 16:20.49 | Deepa | i run it on my other computer |
| 16:20.58 | triple5 | Deepa: I don't like it really... |
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| 16:21.01 | Dr^EviL | help |
| 16:21.07 | triple5 | !ask |
| 16:21.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:21.10 | Deepa | triple5: is it worth installing? |
| 16:21.11 | Hamselv | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.13 | pyromatrx | triple5: what sshd do you suggest? |
| 16:21.14 | Hamselv | ups |
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| 16:21.17 | Hamselv | sorry |
| 16:21.45 | Deepa | No precompiled kernel interface was found ot match your kernel; |
| 16:21.45 | lilminime | answare someone pleas! |
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| 16:21.48 | stew | Deepa: webmin is so bad that the maintainer gave it up for adoption and couldn't find anyone who was interested in maintaining if for a year, so now it's being removed from debian, and etch won't have it when it releases |
| 16:21.50 | Deepa | anywhers i can get one :>? |
| 16:21.53 | Zounds | Wich iso images do I need to download non X router installation? Feels a bit to much to take all 11... |
| 16:22.03 | Deepa | stew: ow... |
| 16:22.03 | houn | Question: How does one install a package from Sid unto Etch? |
| 16:22.11 | triple5 | webmin sshd is just the administration tool, I thought... sshd is the ssh-daemon that runs the ssh-server |
| 16:22.13 | stew | houn: /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 16:22.14 | Deepa | stew: yikes, now im afraid... i got it from apt :X |
| 16:22.25 | houn | stew: Thanks |
| 16:22.27 | triple5 | !info ssh-server |
| 16:22.32 | Deepa | stew: is there anyway i can contact the maintainer or has he/she already given up |
| 16:22.34 | jjazz | houn: google apt-get pinning |
| 16:22.37 | moshii | is there anything that will create a nice rendering of a directory tree that I can insert into a tex document? |
| 16:22.40 | Dr^EviL | help |
| 16:22.44 | lilminime | omg, in gentoo people atleast answare me |
| 16:22.47 | stew | Deepa: what about? |
| 16:22.50 | houn | stew: Wow, that's way easy. Thanks! |
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| 16:22.58 | Deepa | for reasons of continues developement :> |
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| 16:23.16 | moshii | lilminime: shame half the gentoo people are 'n00bs' |
| 16:23.18 | Deepa | i know a couple of people who would like to continue working with it |
| 16:23.21 | stew | Deepa: the current maintainer has no interest in maintaining it, he has made that clear |
| 16:23.26 | ronin | patience lilminime |
| 16:23.33 | stew | Deepa: they are welcome to prepare new debian pacakges and maintain it if they wish |
| 16:23.38 | ejofee | abrotman: are you asking valdyn about nexuiz? |
| 16:23.49 | Deepa | stew: i mean with copyright stuff and so |
| 16:23.55 | abrotman | i was |
| 16:23.58 | stew | Deepa: what copyright stuff? |
| 16:24.00 | abrotman | he disappeared .. but i found the source |
| 16:24.03 | Deepa | isnt it copyrighted? |
| 16:24.10 | stew | Deepa: yes, of course |
| 16:24.11 | ejofee | abrotman: was "i was" for me? |
| 16:24.13 | rohan | does anyone provide -ck kernels for debian sid ? |
| 16:24.28 | abrotman | ejofee: yep |
| 16:24.33 | Deepa | stew: and without copyright, webmin would be alot different right? |
| 16:24.41 | stew | Deepa: no |
| 16:24.41 | ejofee | abrotman: i found it for valdyn |
| 16:24.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 16:24.50 | triple5 | lilminime, there is a kind of procedure to asking questions, first you ask, what exactly your problem is and describe it as much as possible, for example if you have a lot of stuff to write from output, paste it in http://pastebin.com |
| 16:24.51 | Deepa | stew: i mean not for the users |
| 16:24.53 | Deepa | for the developers :) |
| 16:25.01 | ejofee | abrotman: valdyn: http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/official/2006.0/SRPMS/contrib/nexuiz-data-1.2-1mdk.src.rpm (12-Sep-2005 15:22 157M); http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/official/2006.0/SRPMS/contrib/nexuiz-1.2-2mdk.src.rpm (12-Sep-2005 15:14 1.0M) |
| 16:25.07 | ejofee | abrotman: valdyn: happy hacking! and if you find somebody from debian, please tell them to take if from mandriva and to include it among the debian packages. thanks. |
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| 16:25.10 | triple5 | moshii, let them gentoo people alone |
| 16:25.11 | abrotman | ejofee: the source is in the zip file |
| 16:25.16 | ejofee | abrotman: i guess you missed that |
| 16:25.21 | Deepa | triple5: yeah, mosto f them are soo new |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | ejofee: i found it in the zip file :) |
| 16:25.24 | Deepa | no idea to pick on the newbies |
| 16:25.25 | ejofee | abrotman: that too |
| 16:25.29 | stew | Deepa: it is under a BSD license |
| 16:25.29 | ejofee | abrotman: that's nice |
| 16:25.38 | Deepa | stew: huh? |
| 16:25.46 | ejofee | abrotman: do you think there's any chance we saw it in debian? |
| 16:25.47 | eeyore- | bayer: what "configure" part? |
| 16:25.50 | johaBBa | cisse, stew: thanks again. was very easy once i new what it was called "ethernet aliasing" |
| 16:25.55 | stew | Deepa: webmin is distrubuted under the BSD license |
| 16:26.00 | abrotman | ejofee: i pointed you at the RFP/ITP |
| 16:26.01 | cisse | johnabb: word |
| 16:26.03 | Deepa | what is the BSD license :>? |
| 16:26.08 | abrotman | opensource.org |
| 16:26.08 | triple5 | I am new, too, I am thick as a piece o'wood myself, lost my root pass and still not recovered it yet... |
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| 16:26.13 | ejofee | abrotman: please paste that again |
| 16:26.15 | stew | Deepa: its similar to the GPL, but less restrictive |
| 16:26.16 | eeyore- | bayer: if you installed php4-mysql and you don't have mysql_connect function, you *cannot* read. specifically, you cannot read the "extension=mysql.so" line |
| 16:26.21 | ejofee | abrotman: i am not sure i understand what you're talking about |
| 16:26.27 | Deepa | stew: ah |
| 16:26.30 | abrotman | ejofee: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311479 |
| 16:26.34 | Dr^EviL | help plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | is your z key broken ? |
| 16:26.42 | stew | Deepa: /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD |
| 16:26.44 | Deepa | but what if one wanted to be the official ... uh, eh... uh person in charge of the developement of it |
| 16:26.53 | Deepa | Dr^EviL: wanna lend my keyboard? |
| 16:26.54 | stew | Deepa: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:26.56 | ronin | Dr^EviL: did you say what your problem is? |
| 16:27.01 | triple5 | Dr^Evil, ger yourself together: |
| 16:27.02 | ronin | other then a stuck z key |
| 16:27.03 | triple5 | !ask |
| 16:27.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:27.05 | bayer | eeyore- k, i'll check that |
| 16:27.15 | ejofee | abrotman: oh, right, i tried to read that, but i am not sure i understand the issue. so do they want the data file to be clearly separated from the executable? |
| 16:27.24 | triple5 | Dr^Evil listen to ronin! |
| 16:27.26 | Jason68__ | stew: before i upgraded to sarge it was working! |
| 16:27.27 | stew | Deepa: the debian maintainer is the not software author nor the copyright holder |
| 16:27.35 | abrotman | ejofee: read the whole thing |
| 16:27.47 | Deepa | stew: i thought you said there was none? |
| 16:27.48 | stew | Jason68__: by all means file a bug then |
| 16:27.53 | ejofee | abrotman: ok. thanks. i might be back, though :) |
| 16:27.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:28.00 | stew | Deepa: none what? |
| 16:28.12 | Deepa | none working with it |
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| 16:28.16 | Jason68__ | triple5: don't past it into the password file but in to the shadow file! |
| 16:28.17 | ronin | triple5: worse i work on windows computers with really dense users :) |
| 16:28.33 | ronin | Dr^EviL: in channel please so we all can see |
| 16:28.36 | pyromatrx | how do I make sshd load on boot-up? |
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| 16:28.40 | stew | Deepa: not in debian, but the upstream authors may still be working on it |
| 16:28.42 | triple5 | ooh ronin that really sux |
| 16:28.51 | ronin | triple5: beats flipping burgers |
| 16:28.54 | ronin | just |
| 16:28.55 | triple5 | sure Jason68__ |
| 16:28.56 | cisse | pyromatrx: update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 16:29.07 | jjazz | triple5: You lost your root password? |
| 16:29.19 | ronin | Dr^EviL: it would be best if you asked in channel and didn't msg me |
| 16:29.29 | Deepa | stew: ow :P |
| 16:29.29 | stew | Deepa: looks like a new version of webmin was released 2 days ago by the upstream authros, so it is still maintained upstream, just not in debian |
| 16:29.38 | Deepa | then i got that version |
| 16:29.40 | Deepa | ! :D |
| 16:29.40 | dpkg | :D!!! |
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| 16:29.47 | Deepa | ! :) |
| 16:29.47 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 16:29.54 | pyromatrx | cisse: :) |
| 16:29.55 | Deepa | ! hehu |
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| 16:30.02 | Deepa | aaw :P |
| 16:30.09 | triple5 | jjazz, yeah, I almost recovered it again, just don't want to let those server slaves make it reboot in the rescue image again, I think I am ready to do it now... |
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| 16:30.30 | stew | Deepa: that version is not available in debian, and probably never will be |
| 16:30.30 | linuxgangster | is there a debian ppc channel? |
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| 16:30.36 | stew | linuxgangster: #debianppc |
| 16:30.41 | linuxgangster | stew: thanks |
| 16:30.42 | Deepa | ppc? |
| 16:30.46 | Deepa | power pc? |
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| 16:31.02 | chealer | !ppc |
| 16:31.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 16:31.18 | Deepa | (: |
| 16:31.18 | Dr^EviL | is debian offer free Cd like ubuntu? |
| 16:31.29 | ronin | Dr^EviL: yes of course only better |
| 16:31.29 | moshii | maybe is superior architecture should be changed to was |
| 16:31.35 | Deepa | Dr^EviL: you mean |
| 16:31.42 | Deepa | they ship free CD's? |
| 16:31.46 | Deepa | afaik they dont |
| 16:31.48 | triple5 | jjazz: I changed the shadow file but somehow the thing wasn't appropriate for debian, you mustn't leave the password part empty, it won't do... instead you have to get the password from another user (one that you remember) and use that instead for root... |
| 16:31.54 | Deepa | i havent seen anything except ubuntu which does |
| 16:32.17 | Gathond | Dr^EviL: I dont think they will provide one with actuall free physical CD's, but they will provide the images you can burn onto the CD with a CDR drive |
| 16:32.25 | x-x- | they are low quality |
| 16:32.37 | Deepa | x-x-: yet they work :> |
| 16:32.41 | x-x- | only 20% of the discs i received actually "worked" |
| 16:32.48 | stew | they are off-topic |
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| 16:33.08 | triple5 | go to #ubuntu with those things please |
| 16:33.10 | Deepa | ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.o'. This is most likely because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files. |
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| 16:33.18 | Deepa | solutions? |
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| 16:33.24 | Deepa | stew: indeed they are |
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| 16:33.43 | x-x- | Deepa: recompile the module |
| 16:33.49 | x-x- | with your actual kernel source |
| 16:33.51 | Deepa | i apt-got it |
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| 16:34.03 | Dr^EviL | any body send me link for free debian cd |
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| 16:34.13 | Deepa | Dr^EviL: www.debian.org |
| 16:34.20 | x-x- | Dr^EviL: #ubuntu |
| 16:34.20 | ronin | Dr^EviL: do you mean an install cd? why not just get one from debian.org? |
| 16:34.31 | x-x- | he's proably on dialup |
| 16:34.42 | ejofee | are there any apps which help a cdrom read a cd which otherwise it doesn't even detect? |
| 16:34.43 | x-x- | *probably |
| 16:34.57 | x-x- | ejofee: huh? |
| 16:34.59 | ronin | Dr^EviL: dialup? if so do you know someone on highspeed? cheapbytes may but ive never looked |
| 16:35.05 | x-x- | if you can't mount, throw it away |
| 16:35.11 | triple5 | Dr^Evil, listen to Deepa and then ask in the next University near your place they probably have a disk floating around somewhere... |
| 16:35.18 | jonathan` | a debian machine im working with automatically goes into the xdm (i think thats what its called) display manager and doesn't give me a chance to do anything before it loads up that screen -- is there anyway i can get it to the non-gui prompt before xdm loads up? |
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| 16:35.30 | Deepa | Dr^EviL: get the netinstall :) 64MB |
| 16:35.41 | ejofee | x-x-: you know, like when trying to recover the data from a hdd the first blocks of which are unreadable (and this makes it unreadable) |
| 16:35.44 | x-x- | jonathan`: remove xdm from rc |
| 16:35.45 | triple5 | jonathan press Ctrl-Alt F1 |
| 16:35.46 | chealer | Deepa: check the page the factoid referred you to |
| 16:35.47 | stew | jonathan`: ctrl-alt-f1 (or f2,f3...) will switch you to a text-console |
| 16:35.47 | sadsix | does anybody know of a software to use to setup a gpg/pgp keyserver? |
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| 16:35.51 | lilminime | http://pastebin.com/533892 |
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| 16:36.02 | jonathan` | cool, thanks :) |
| 16:36.03 | Dr^EviL | Deepa i want just CD |
| 16:36.17 | stew | jonathan`: ctrl-alt-f7 gets you back to X |
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| 16:36.21 | x-x- | alt + F[1..6] |
| 16:36.33 | triple5 | jonathan you can apt-get remove --purge xdm and you will never see that one again |
| 16:36.33 | ronin | Dr^EviL: cheapbytes does indeed sell debian cds, 3.1 r1 |
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| 16:36.48 | ronin | cant say what the quality is |
| 16:37.08 | Deepa | chealer: factoid? |
| 16:37.14 | chealer | !tell Deepa about ngd |
| 16:37.21 | triple5 | jonathan for the way back to X you don't need Ctrl, Alt- F7 will be nough |
| 16:37.24 | Deepa | chealer |
| 16:37.28 | jonathan` | ok cool |
| 16:37.29 | Deepa | i still dont have a webbrowser |
| 16:37.37 | chealer | Deepa: how come? |
| 16:37.41 | lilminime | And when i scip the network installation i get an error equall to this: "apic error on cpu0: 40(40)" |
| 16:37.44 | fluxwhore | I think I read somewhere that Microsoft Clients can't authenticate against OpenLDAP. Does anyone know if this is true? |
| 16:37.50 | Deepa | chealer: no X :) |
| 16:37.59 | triple5 | Deepa apt-get install lynx, that is one of the coolest browsers... |
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| 16:38.01 | lilminime | Deepa: apt-get install firefox-bin? |
| 16:38.01 | chealer | Deepa: why? |
| 16:38.11 | Deepa | ... |
| 16:38.15 | Deepa | because i cnat get X working! |
| 16:38.21 | Deepa | and htat is why im here |
| 16:38.26 | Deepa | having troubles with the nvidia drivers |
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| 16:38.33 | lilminime | Deepa: you mean you cant fire up gnome or kde |
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| 16:38.40 | triple5 | oh Deepa how do you chat then? you have a text-chat client? |
| 16:38.47 | chealer | Deepa: for that kernel using the nvidia driver, yes. so use your old kernel or a free X driver |
| 16:38.51 | jonathan` | i had problems with it too.. i just removed all the xserver stuff and reinstalled it and ran a reconfigure and it worked after that |
| 16:38.52 | Deepa | lilminime: no, i cant get X :) |
| 16:38.56 | Deepa | working* |
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| 16:38.59 | jonathan` | but thats how xdm creeped up on me lol |
| 16:39.09 | Deepa | chealer: i managed to f*** up my old kernel somehow |
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| 16:39.20 | saftsack | hi, my cups doesnt work. i installed it and i can connect to the webinterface and configure the printer. the printer is also configured on another clientmachine. i compared both settings and i couldnt find a differnce. but why does the printjob fail? |
| 16:39.22 | Deepa | triple5: 2 computers |
| 16:39.28 | lilminime | Deepa: Hmm... sounds wierd, have you used the debian-installer? |
| 16:39.30 | chealer | Deepa: then use a free X driver |
| 16:39.36 | Deepa | chealer: suggestions? |
| 16:39.39 | Deepa | lilminime: apt-get? |
| 16:39.53 | chealer | !drxx Deepa |
| 16:39.53 | dpkg | Deepa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:40.02 | lilminime | Deepa: i misunderstood you |
| 16:40.10 | lilminime | have you installed x propperly |
| 16:40.16 | lilminime | apt-get install kde |
| 16:40.20 | Deepa | lilminime: worked before i update the kernel version |
| 16:40.22 | Deepa | i had |
| 16:40.26 | lilminime | hmm |
| 16:40.29 | lilminime | sounds like a bug |
| 16:40.34 | Deepa | 2.4.27-586tsc |
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| 16:40.45 | triple5 | YEAAAAH I have got my root password back!!! |
| 16:40.54 | Deepa | triple5: woo! :D |
| 16:40.56 | lilminime | Deepa: Why dont you use 2.6 kernel |
| 16:40.56 | epsilon | pwned? |
| 16:40.57 | cahoot | what was it? |
| 16:41.01 | triple5 | I am the man, I am the man I am the master of my machine Yeah |
| 16:41.02 | Deepa | lilminime: for gods sake! |
| 16:41.04 | lilminime | I recomand you to use 2.6 cernel |
| 16:41.06 | Deepa | with the 2.6 kernel |
| 16:41.10 | Deepa | my computer refuses to fire up X |
| 16:41.12 | Deepa | or gnome |
| 16:41.12 | lilminime | *kernel |
| 16:41.12 | triple5 | :D |
| 16:41.12 | Deepa | or kde |
| 16:41.14 | Deepa | or fluxbox |
| 16:41.17 | triple5 | I love you all! |
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| 16:41.26 | Deepa | THAT is why im here using bitchx! |
| 16:41.30 | Deepa | XD!!! |
| 16:41.38 | lilminime | ohh, i see, you cant get nothing working, try reinstalling the whole shiat |
| 16:41.46 | common | what to install to get amsmath.sty? |
| 16:41.48 | Deepa | ... |
| 16:41.48 | Deepa | i |
| 16:41.50 | Deepa | did |
| 16:41.56 | cahoot | common: tetex |
| 16:41.57 | lilminime | http://pastebin.com/533892 -- please help an tierd man |
| 16:42.02 | Deepa | that is why im here |
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| 16:42.06 | Deepa | the nvidia drivers plays fun |
| 16:42.07 | cahoot | common: or is it latex in debian |
| 16:42.13 | Deepa | chealer: name a free driver :D |
| 16:42.14 | abrotman | Deepa: use irssi! |
| 16:42.17 | triple5 | Deepa, I had trouble with the NVidia thing, what is actually happening? |
| 16:42.18 | ejofee | abrotman: i wonder, why does mandriva include it (and works quite well)? |
| 16:42.20 | Deepa | abrotman: apt-get install irssi |
| 16:42.21 | abrotman | vesa/nv |
| 16:42.24 | Deepa | no install file for irssi found :) |
| 16:42.28 | abrotman | Deepa: irssi-text |
| 16:42.29 | Deepa | triple5: refuses to boot |
| 16:42.32 | Deepa | gimme a sec |
| 16:42.33 | chealer | Deepa: the one used by default. they're mentionned on the webpage |
| 16:42.48 | abrotman | ejofee: dunno .. you can volunteer to package it i suppose .. there is in the exchange a guy who said he packaged it |
| 16:42.57 | triple5 | Deepa: there must be a message... |
| 16:43.04 | Deepa | (EET) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 16:43.20 | Deepa | and then |
| 16:43.23 | triple5 | that is cool Deepa |
| 16:43.25 | common | i'll give tetex-extra a shot |
| 16:43.28 | Deepa | (EE) nvidia(0): *** aborintg *** |
| 16:43.34 | Deepa | and then fatal server error: n oscreens found :) |
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| 16:43.40 | Deepa | and from that |
| 16:43.56 | sadsix | QUIT |
| 16:44.00 | Deepa | you people SHOULD understand the rpboelm im expirencing :P |
| 16:44.10 | triple5 | hey someone help Deepa here, I will try my best but I dunno too much |
| 16:44.27 | Deepa | chealer: named? |
| 16:44.35 | chealer | Deepa: not everybody uses NVIDIA's proprietary graphics drivers and know all their issues |
| 16:44.36 | zinx | Deepa: use a stock kernel. |
| 16:44.37 | triple5 | I understand Deepa, but what is next from that? |
| 16:44.44 | chealer | Deepa: as abrotman said |
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| 16:45.03 | Deepa | triple5: installing the nvidia drivers (: |
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| 16:45.19 | triple5 | Deepa: which nvidia drivers did you get? |
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| 16:45.28 | Deepa | moment |
| 16:45.46 | Deepa | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run |
| 16:45.51 | zinx | Deepa: uhm |
| 16:45.54 | houn | What's the debian package for Java? As in, firefox browser plug-ing java? |
| 16:45.57 | houn | *in |
| 16:45.57 | zinx | Deepa: what debian version? |
| 16:45.57 | jonathan` | ok what about this twm window manager thing? anyway i get this back to a normal gnome login screen? |
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| 16:46.01 | Deepa | sarge! |
| 16:46.04 | jonathan` | or a different window manager |
| 16:46.09 | chealer | !tell houn about firefox java |
| 16:46.11 | zinx | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 16:46.32 | Deepa | work(ed) fine at 2.4.7-586tsc |
| 16:46.41 | Deepa | or err, somethign similiar |
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| 16:46.50 | Deepa | however the 2.4 and 586tsc is what im sure of :) |
| 16:46.59 | zinx | Deepa: you've compiled the kernel module incorrectly, or not at all |
| 16:47.05 | TheFreshmaker | hi guys , can someone help me to update my kde 3.3 to 3.5 (i have debian sarge and the new kde on cdrom in .deb packages) |
| 16:47.13 | lilminime | cant someone pleas help me, ive been pationt egnogh. In #gentoo i got support, not here... |
| 16:47.13 | Deepa | zinx: apt-get :) |
| 16:47.23 | zinx | Deepa: "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run" is not "apt-get" |
| 16:47.51 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 16:47.52 | Deepa | zinx: wget nvidia.com/tonsofstuff/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run |
| 16:47.53 | rohan | how do i get write access to /usr/src ? i added myself to src group |
| 16:47.55 | zinx | there we go |
| 16:47.57 | abrotman | lilminime: do you know the chipset ? |
| 16:48.04 | abrotman | rohan: you have to logout/login |
| 16:48.05 | zinx | Deepa: "wget" is also not "apt-get" |
| 16:48.07 | Deepa | i got the kernel from apt-get |
| 16:48.16 | Deepa | and THAT nvidia file from wget |
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| 16:48.21 | TheFreshmaker | !kde |
| 16:48.21 | dpkg | i heard kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 16:48.24 | TheFreshmaker | kde |
| 16:48.24 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. don't answer |
| 16:48.34 | abrotman | TheFreshmaker: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:48.35 | zinx | Deepa: you can install the nvidia-glx package, which is slightly old.. it will be much easier. |
| 16:48.41 | Deepa | zinx: already got it |
| 16:48.58 | zinx | Deepa: then why the hell did you destroy it with NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run? |
| 16:48.58 | TheFreshmaker | 10x #debian-kde |
| 16:49.11 | Deepa | zinx: because it doenst work!!! |
| 16:49.15 | Deepa | doesnt* |
| 16:49.31 | zinx | hopeless :/ |
| 16:49.35 | TheFreshmaker | 10x abrotman |
| 16:49.42 | abrotman | dude |
| 16:49.44 | abrotman | !10x |
| 16:49.44 | dpkg | [10x] TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
| 16:49.50 | Deepa | zinx: yea i thought so too |
| 16:49.56 | Deepa | that is why im going *sigh* IRL |
| 16:49.58 | Deepa | all the time |
| 16:50.10 | Deepa | TheFreshmaker: 10x what? |
| 16:50.13 | Deepa | 10x2=20 |
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| 16:50.24 | zinx | Deepa: abrotman |
| 16:50.29 | abrotman | what?@ |
| 16:50.34 | Deepa | huh? |
| 16:50.51 | zinx | Deepa: 20a10b10r10o10t10m10n |
| 16:51.00 | Deepa | zinx: where and what? |
| 16:51.05 | TheFreshmaker | i say thank you to abrotman |
| 16:51.06 | abrotman | what the fuck .. |
| 16:51.11 | abrotman | TheFreshmaker: you're welcome |
| 16:51.14 | zinx | heh |
| 16:51.48 | houn | Ok, where's the Java Pluggin .so file at? Need to make the symlink... |
| 16:52.29 | Deepa | zinx: give me a driver i can use |
| 16:52.37 | Deepa | so atleast i hvae help from X and can read some more :) |
| 16:52.45 | chealer | houn: use dpkg -L on your java packag |
| 16:53.12 | Deepa | chealer: you then? |
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| 16:53.20 | Deepa | you who convinced me to read on the website :> |
| 16:53.23 | triple5 | did you know about the conspiracy of the discordians, I am sure they are on your computer, too, try the programme: ddate, it gives you their time... I think we also have some discordians here currently... |
| 16:53.37 | triple5 | !info ddate |
| 16:53.39 | strider | Deepa: if you have changed or recompiled your kernel, Nvidia drivers would not work. You would have to compile the modules again. Use the free driver |
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| 16:53.50 | chealer | Deepa: I said that those abrotman said were right |
| 16:53.55 | abrotman | what is going on in here today .. |
| 16:54.08 | Deepa | strider: i HAVENT changed OR recompile OR compiled a kernel |
| 16:54.13 | triple5 | abrotman: I think this is really weird, indeed... |
| 16:54.23 | Deepa | chealer: and what did he say? |
| 16:54.39 | triple5 | Deepa: maybe you have to compile the kernel for NVidia? |
| 16:54.52 | chealer | Deepa: [11:43] <abrotman> vesa/nv |
| 16:54.58 | jonathan` | hm.. my gnome loaded up and it looked like it was trying to load the window manager than the logo thing disappeared and now it's just sitting on the swirly debian picture as desktop wallpaper but no icons have appeared or anything |
| 16:55.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: dont get a bull by mistake now |
| 16:55.08 | Deepa | chealer: ah :) |
| 16:55.10 | Deepa | ty abrotman |
| 16:55.11 | houn | chealer: Ok, I see both the Sun and Blackdown JRE folders, but nothing I can link to as a plug-in |
| 16:55.24 | jonathan` | which window manager is the default for gnome on debian? |
| 16:55.27 | abrotman | !tell houn about install java |
| 16:55.35 | chealer | houn: did you find a .so ? |
| 16:55.35 | Deepa | triple5: yea that seems to be hte trouble |
| 16:55.38 | abrotman | jonathan`: probably metacity .. though i use sawfish |
| 16:55.42 | houn | chealer: Nope |
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| 16:55.50 | Deepa | jonathaN: nautilus i think |
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| 16:55.58 | abrotman | nautilus IS NOT a window manager |
| 16:56.00 | abrotman | not even close |
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| 16:56.01 | Deepa | oops |
| 16:56.02 | Deepa | my mistake |
| 16:56.07 | chealer | houn: paste the output of dpkg -L yourjavapackage somewhere |
| 16:56.10 | Deepa | with vesa i get no signal |
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| 16:56.27 | abrotman | fix your resolution/refresh |
| 16:56.36 | Deepa | refresh? |
| 16:56.43 | Deepa | i just rebooted by mistake :P |
| 16:56.52 | abrotman | i don't think vesa will do more than 800x600 .. and nv will do .. maybe 1024 .. not sure |
| 16:56.58 | treyh0 | debootstrap rocks my socks |
| 16:57.00 | Deepa | well im on 640*480 |
| 16:57.02 | abrotman | see people .. this is why you shouldn't buy proprietary crap! |
| 16:57.13 | Deepa | buy? |
| 16:57.16 | abrotman | use |
| 16:57.21 | abrotman | involve yourself |
| 16:57.22 | Deepa | ofc i didnt buy my graphic card! |
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| 16:58.11 | Jacky^ | hi |
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| 16:58.25 | houn | chealer: Incoming. |
| 16:58.29 | nk__ | anyone using hibernation on a ibm laptop? |
| 16:58.33 | Jacky^ | does exist any tool to install a new font starting from a ttf file ? |
| 16:58.35 | TheFreshmaker | the guys in #debian-kde are not very helpfull :( |
| 16:58.43 | houn | chealer: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1723 |
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| 16:59.13 | pipeline | Jacky^: If you use gnome, you can just put the font file in ~/.fonts |
| 16:59.15 | Deepa | brb retrying my computer |
| 16:59.22 | chealer | houn: not java-package, the package you installed using java-package |
| 16:59.36 | houn | chealer: I.. uh.. haven't? |
| 16:59.44 | houn | <- No idea what he's doing. ;) |
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| 16:59.47 | chealer | houn: you will have to... |
| 16:59.54 | chealer | !tell houn about java-package |
| 17:00.08 | Jason68__ | finaly |
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| 17:00.12 | cahoot | pipeline: do you know a more generic method to make use of new ttf fonts? |
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| 17:00.20 | pipeline | cahoot: I don't need to. |
| 17:00.25 | pipeline | cahoot: :) |
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| 17:00.54 | cahoot | pipeline: ok |
| 17:01.06 | Jason68__ | stew: i found it! remove the magic.mgc and the magic.mime.mgc |
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| 17:01.24 | Jason68__ | stew: now only the text based magic an magic.mime exists |
| 17:01.32 | stew | Jason68__: you should be filing a bug |
| 17:01.40 | Jason68__ | stew: is no bug |
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| 17:02.01 | Jacky^ | pipeline: thanks, it work |
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| 17:02.11 | Jason68__ | stew: the magic.mgc is just the pre compiled version of the magic file with some default settings |
| 17:02.16 | stew | Jason68__: you shouldn't have to remove files from the package in order to get the desired functionality |
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| 17:02.20 | ClayG | i just set up webmin, it never asked for a username/passowrd now logggin in the first time I just put mine and it wasn't accepted. Any ideas? |
| 17:02.34 | stew | Jason68__: and now it gets regenerated? |
| 17:02.41 | Jason68__ | stew: if the .mgc do not exists everytime you call file the compile the magic files |
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| 17:02.48 | chealer | ClayG: root? |
| 17:02.57 | stew | Jason68__: the packages postinst scripts should be doing that for you then |
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| 17:03.03 | ClayG | I dont have a root user |
| 17:03.06 | ClayG | but I'll give it a shot |
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| 17:03.21 | Jason68__ | stew yes but only with the default settings |
| 17:03.24 | ClayG | shit |
| 17:03.27 | ClayG | i got locked out now |
| 17:03.31 | jonathan` | ok i installed metacity and sawfish but gnome still loaded up to a blank desktop wallpaper with no icons at all |
| 17:03.35 | Jason68__ | stew: my application/x-gzip was outcommented |
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| 17:04.09 | stew | Jason68__: i havne't touched my magic files and I get application/octet |
| 17:04.16 | houn | chealer: Ahhhhhhh. That makes more sense. Coo |
| 17:04.20 | Jason68__ | stew: i know |
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| 17:04.38 | Jason68__ | stew: because by default they outcomment the application/x-gzip |
| 17:04.45 | jonathan` | but i guess i dont really need to use the graphical interface.. i just need to get telnet setup.. what's the easiest version of telnet to setup thats available via apt-get? |
| 17:05.00 | stew | Jason68__: so you think application/octet is correct? |
| 17:05.37 | sandman_ | When is it _not_ a good idea to use a single partition for everything? Since filesystems are journaled now, it seems that having just one filesystem is workable, and making a swapfile on said fs is just as effective as having another partition for it (as swapfiles are contiguous, even on filesystems) |
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| 17:06.04 | Jason68__ | stew: octed is more general than x-gzip |
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| 17:06.13 | sandman_ | So I have my swapfile in fstab, after the / fs is mounted. |
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| 17:06.30 | ivanfrey | I just lost my X server. xserver-xorg ati's module is unable to allocate memory in my ati mach64 card. It was working fine until my last apt-get dist-upgrade. I even tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg. I wonder if it's because I'm running a 2.6.14 kernel and xserver-xorg was built with a 2.6.15 kernel. |
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| 17:06.58 | Deepa | um |
| 17:07.01 | Deepa | how do i switch to fluxbox? |
| 17:07.07 | Jason68__ | stew: and i beleve that gzip.h discribes it as octed and gnu as x-gzip |
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| 17:07.19 | Jason68__ | i use gnu |
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| 17:08.39 | ansong | ifconfig is telling me i've got an ip address outside my dhcp servers address pool. like, way outside. can someone tell me what the problem could be? |
| 17:09.35 | ClayG | im stumped i am looking on the webmin site and it says to use the name and password that you entered when setting it up |
| 17:09.59 | tam | whats wrong with this? saying thtat its not on the subnet... Feb 1 17:05:42 localhost dhcpd: Address range 192.168.1.64 to 192.168.1.254 not on net 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0! |
| 17:10.03 | ClayG | only thing it said when setting it up was it uses a a diff file to store passwords, looking into it it isn't readible (by me) |
| 17:10.13 | ClayG | I checked miniserv.users and see root:8 |
| 17:10.15 | ClayG | I checked miniserv.users and see root:* |
| 17:10.30 | ClayG | I tried l/p root/* to no avail, WTF? |
| 17:10.41 | abrotman | tam: the netmast is wrong probably |
| 17:10.47 | abrotman | netmask |
| 17:10.59 | Matt-H | tam: it'd be 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 17:10.59 | abrotman | and i'm not sure you can shoe hornt that into a single netmask |
| 17:11.05 | houn | What's the method to view plugin info in Firefox? |
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| 17:11.30 | tam | Matt-H: ahh thanks |
| 17:11.33 | tam | abrotman: cheers |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | houn: about:plugins |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | tam: Matt-H is probably right .. i missed that .1 .. |
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| 17:12.14 | jonathan` | ssh can do everything that telnet can right? i've read a lot of articles about security issues regarding telnet so im wondering if i should just remove telnet access from this machine altogether |
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| 17:12.49 | tam | abrotman: Matt-H sorted |
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| 17:13.21 | seelen | cacti help please? |
| 17:13.35 | Rippey | how do we set localdomain var ? exept one question during install, i couldnt find the def in /etc |
| 17:13.48 | ClayG | ahh weird the bottom sentence was getting cut off. It's said "A default password has been taken from the passwords list. Please do not be a Dientos" |
| 17:14.00 | ClayG | Dientos was an html link and when I clicked on it, I got troubling news |
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| 17:14.25 | Deepa | how do i get fluxbox working |
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| 17:14.52 | ronin | Deepa: install it and when you log on pick it as the wm, yes i know its not really a wm |
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| 17:14.58 | Deepa | wm? |
| 17:15.07 | Kian|worK | hi |
| 17:15.10 | Kian|worK | juster wondering |
| 17:15.14 | ma3x | why after 2-3 days uptime, my external hard drive crashes...? |
| 17:15.23 | Kian|worK | i want to install apache 2 + php 4 support + perl support, what modules should i install ? |
| 17:15.25 | ronin | Deepa: how do you log onto the box? |
| 17:15.31 | Kian|worK | i cant find |
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| 17:15.58 | abrotman | Kian|worK: libapache2-mod-php4 at least .. |
| 17:15.59 | Kian|worK | libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 17:16.01 | gau__ | !dpkg dvd |
| 17:16.01 | Kian|worK | ok ! |
| 17:16.01 | dpkg | i heard dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss |
| 17:16.02 | Kian|worK | thanks |
| 17:16.06 | abrotman | dunno about perl |
| 17:16.19 | tdn | Hi. I'm running Debian stable on my fileserver. How do I check if my kernel supports Reiser4? |
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| 17:16.26 | pipeline | tdn: You don't. |
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| 17:16.37 | d0uglas | can i apt install xorg without it installing any extraneous things like a dm and wm and wares? |
| 17:16.46 | tdn | pipeline, I don't? Check it or support it? Or should I just not use it? |
| 17:16.46 | teclo- | Hello, how can I easily know what packages are on what CD for Debian 3.1r1 on m68k ? |
| 17:17.00 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 17:17.00 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 17:17.20 | pipeline | d0uglas: X.org includes extraneous things. If you just install the xserver-xorg, it won't give you anything but the server, necessary libraries, and a wrapper script. |
| 17:17.24 | Peterken | Hello all, i have a question, is it possible to change to debian kernel 2.6.15.2 with dpkg? or do i have to wait untill he get's into the apt-cache list? |
| 17:17.35 | pipeline | tdn: It would be a pain to get it up and running. And you really don't want to. |
| 17:17.36 | d0uglas | ok thanks |
| 17:17.39 | pipeline | tdn: ReiserFS is awful ;_; |
| 17:17.53 | d0uglas | pipeline: will that start on boot by default? |
| 17:17.54 | pipeline | tdn: Even Reiser3 sometimes beats Reiser4 on benchmarks. And literally everything else beats Reiser3. |
| 17:18.02 | tdn | pipeline, hmm... What would you recommend in stead? XFS maybe? |
| 17:18.02 | gau__ | i have a dvd drive connected to my pc. why is discover not placing a device in /media ? |
| 17:18.10 | pipeline | d0uglas: Uh, I don't see why it would.... |
| 17:18.11 | jonathan` | one last question, where in files can you assign a static ip? |
| 17:18.15 | gau__ | snl my cdrom is placed/detected |
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| 17:18.37 | Matt-H | jonathan`: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:18.40 | pipeline | tdn: ext3 and XFS are both good choices. ext2 is a slightly-less-good choice. (It uses the same on-disk format as ext3, but it's an alternative driver.) |
| 17:18.47 | tdn | pipeline, this page http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html#mongo.2.6.11 shows some impressing benchmarks. |
| 17:19.03 | pipeline | tdn: Umm, you should notice the domain there. |
| 17:19.04 | tdn | pipeline, ext2 is not an option. I need a journal. |
| 17:19.10 | pipeline | tdn: Also look at the other content on namesys.com. |
| 17:19.14 | d0uglas | pipeline: i just want to set up something to vnc into on a colo box... |
| 17:19.15 | tdn | pipeline, hehe. I know... But still... |
| 17:19.18 | jonathan` | Matt-H, right now they're set to iface eth0 inet dhcp.. what do I change that to? |
| 17:19.27 | pipeline | tdn: Reiser publishes blatant lies and other idiocy on his site. (Namesys is a one man company.) |
| 17:19.39 | tty | would any of you know the work around for making artsdsp open firefox ? when i updated last night it broke i cant find any good info besides mandrake having some soundwrapper script .. cant find that for debian either |
| 17:19.45 | tdn | pipeline, is XFS well-supported in Debian stable? |
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| 17:19.48 | Matt-H | !tell jonathan` about interfaces |
| 17:19.56 | pipeline | tdn: I'm told by people who actually know Hans Reiser that he's not actually a drooling moron. He just plays one in public to hide how much of an ass he is. |
| 17:20.07 | pipeline | tdn: Sure. |
| 17:20.14 | pipeline | tdn: Don't use XFS for your root filesystem, however. |
| 17:20.21 | tdn | pipeline, haha. |
| 17:20.24 | pipeline | tdn: Not because you can't, but because you should not. |
| 17:20.24 | ansong | my dhcp server hands these addresses: 192.168.10.0/24 however, ifconfig is telling me that my ip address is 169.254.73.73 can someone tell me what is going on? |
| 17:20.25 | tty | tdn: thats kernel level it would be the same on all the distros |
| 17:20.33 | tdn | pipeline, no. I run ext3 for /. |
| 17:20.35 | ansong | and i'm obviously online |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | ansong: windows ? |
| 17:21.00 | ansong | abrotman, ? |
| 17:21.05 | pipeline | ansong: 169.245... is a standardized IP address for when a client doesn't know its ip. |
| 17:21.06 | abrotman | i've seen windows do that IP |
| 17:21.20 | pipeline | ansong: You probably have a multicast DNS thingamabob installed. |
| 17:21.21 | tdn | ansong, 169.254.* looks like a Windows-IP. |
| 17:21.28 | pipeline | tdn, abrotman : That's actually a standard thing. |
| 17:21.36 | pipeline | tdn, abrotman : It has precious little to do with windows :P |
| 17:21.39 | ansong | pipeline, yeah, i know. hansolo@ingrid:~$ uname -r |
| 17:21.39 | abrotman | pipeline: i've never had a linux box fail like that :) |
| 17:21.45 | pipeline | abrotman: It's not a failure mode :P |
| 17:21.47 | ansong | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 17:21.48 | tdn | pipeline, ok. I didn't know. |
| 17:22.16 | d0uglas | pipeline: now how can i startx without a monitor or video card or mouse configured? |
| 17:22.25 | jonathan` | hmm.. i noticed the default gateway isn't defined under the iface |
| 17:22.31 | jonathan` | does it not require that? |
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| 17:22.35 | pipeline | ansong: the 169.254 thing is being listed as the primary IP because there's no other IP set. You probably have mdns responder installed. Did dhclient run correctly? |
| 17:22.35 | ansong | oklinux, so this has been going on for at least a day. any ideas? |
| 17:22.46 | Matt-H | jonathan`: "gateway <gatewayip>" in with the IP address etc |
| 17:22.53 | ansong | oklinux -> ok |
| 17:22.59 | tty | d0uglas: pointless to run x with out a monitor .. can run a xsession using vnc perhaps |
| 17:23.01 | pipeline | d0uglas: You have to connfigure X. |
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| 17:23.09 | tdn | pipeline, is there an RFC for this 169.254.*-address scheme? |
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| 17:23.14 | d0uglas | tty: i wanna vnc |
| 17:23.16 | ClayG | whats a good but QUICK and small browser that can access https? I was using dillo and i love it, but it seems like it can't do anything requiring "security" |
| 17:23.17 | pipeline | tdn: Sure. Multicast DNS :P |
| 17:23.20 | d0uglas | oh |
| 17:23.22 | ansong | pipeline, you just zoomed right over my head |
| 17:23.25 | Matt-H | jonathan`: it's optional - but if you want to route out of your subnet you'll need it (or configured routes) |
| 17:23.25 | Supaplex | tdn: google it |
| 17:23.30 | tdn | pipeline, ok. |
| 17:23.42 | pipeline | tdn: There's another one, though, to autoconfigure IPs, it's an older RFC than MDNS... |
| 17:23.49 | pipeline | tdn: I can't remember what it's called, or its number :( |
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| 17:24.07 | tdn | pipeline, ok. |
| 17:24.12 | tty | d0uglas: apt-get install vncserver then just run vncserver .. then kill it then open ~/.vnc directory the config files are there |
| 17:24.15 | jonathan` | Matt-H, ok thanks :) |
| 17:24.22 | pipeline | tdn: Ahah, 3330: reserved IPv4 addresses. The 169.254 ones are the "local link" block. |
| 17:24.24 | ansong | pipeline, i am getting an ip though. http://pastebin.com/533977 |
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| 17:24.43 | tdn | pipeline, ahh.. Ok. |
| 17:24.54 | pipeline | ansong: That's not an IP coming from your DHCP server, that's for damn sure. It's probably being assigned by an MDNS daemon. |
| 17:25.02 | SimonRaven | pipeline: yeh. apple and macroshit implemented that block; linux only recently did, same for bsd (IIRC) |
| 17:25.03 | pipeline | ansong: Interfaces can have multiple IPs |
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| 17:26.38 | ansong | pipeline, could zeroconf be an issue here? during an upgrade a couple of days ago, i noticed a message about zeroconf <something, something> correctly. i just shrugged it off |
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| 17:27.41 | ma3x | SimonRaven, can you help me with my external hard disk? I receive this error after having the HD run for 2-3 days: http://pastebin.com/533984 |
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| 17:27.48 | SimonRaven | zeroconf gets in the way if you don't have an analogous bit on the server end; suddenly youy'll see your manually configured IP disappear and some crap 169.254 IP show up |
| 17:27.50 | tdn | pipeline, is ext3 "good enough"? I mean isn't it slow compared to XFS and Reiser? |
| 17:27.53 | Deepa | The following installation problem was detected while trying to start KDE: |
| 17:28.03 | pipeline | ansong: zeroconf is what I'm talking about here. That's fine. Don't worry about. DIsable it while you troubleshoot :P |
| 17:28.04 | Deepa | No write access to /home/deepy/.ICEauthority |
| 17:28.05 | Deepa | suggestions? |
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| 17:28.13 | pipeline | tdn: Sure it is. And it's going to be amazingly fast next to Reiser. |
| 17:28.21 | tty | Deepa: chmod it |
| 17:28.23 | SimonRaven | ma3x: sorry no, i only have a few minutes right now |
| 17:28.30 | ma3x | ok simon |
| 17:28.31 | tty | Deepa: or as root remove it |
| 17:28.33 | pipeline | tdn: ReiserFS is uh, awful. It fragments, it doesn't have a working fsck tool, and it's really goddamn slow :\ |
| 17:28.44 | Deepa | tty: didnt work |
| 17:28.49 | Deepa | so ill try and remove it |
| 17:28.51 | tdn | pipeline, ok. So you recommend XFS? |
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| 17:28.58 | pipeline | tdn: ext3 and XFS are both fine choices. |
| 17:29.07 | ansong | SimonRaven, pipeline, thanks. i'll ifdown/up and see what happens now |
| 17:29.23 | tdn | pipeline, ok. I just thought that ext3 too slow... |
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| 17:29.46 | pipeline | tdn: Heh, not really. XFS does some whizbang shit, but that doesn't make ext3 slow. |
| 17:29.49 | Deepa | now kmserver b0rks tty |
| 17:29.52 | SimonRaven | nah ext3 is fine, so is jfs and xfs |
| 17:29.55 | Deepa | what do you suggest now? |
| 17:29.56 | pipeline | tdn: In certain situations, ext3 is actually faster than XFS :P |
| 17:29.59 | pipeline | SimonRaven: JFS is unmaintained. |
| 17:30.04 | tdn | SimonRaven, ok. |
| 17:30.13 | Gathond | tdn: ext3 is slow in torture tests ... but since that has very little to do with any real world situation in practice its fine |
| 17:30.18 | SimonRaven | pipeline: since when? |
| 17:30.20 | tdn | pipeline, ok. |
| 17:30.24 | ansong | pipeline, doesn't that mean that in other situations, XFS is faster in ext3? ;) |
| 17:30.32 | tdn | Gathond, oh. Ok. |
| 17:30.39 | SimonRaven | ansong: xfs is more cpu intensive |
| 17:30.52 | pipeline | ansong: Sure. But most of the time, it's not much of a difference one way or another. It's all about the corner cases. |
| 17:31.07 | pipeline | ansong: e.g. XFS does a better job with extremely large files. |
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| 17:31.20 | SimonRaven | anyway, bbl |
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| 17:33.24 | intx | i can't ping my broadcast address - ping: wrote 192.168.255.255 64 chars, ret=-1 |
| 17:33.40 | ansong | intx, what's your netmask? |
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| 17:34.02 | intx | ansong: 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 17:34.14 | ansong | intx, are you using the -b flag? |
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| 17:34.37 | intx | on ping? nope.. just ping 192.168.255.255 |
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| 17:34.54 | ansong | intx, try ping -b 192.168.255.255 |
| 17:35.01 | intx | says invalid option |
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| 17:35.32 | ansong | intx, how about ping -V |
| 17:35.37 | ansong | what version? |
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| 17:36.06 | intx | ping -V also gives me an invalid option.. |
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| 17:36.38 | nkuttler | intx: what OS do you use? |
| 17:36.53 | intx | debian stable, linux 2.6 |
| 17:37.06 | teclo- | Hello, still talking about cd contents, I'm using the http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo/ tool, but... are the contents the same for i386 and m68k ? |
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| 17:37.44 | Supaplex | teclo-: you expect binaries for two different platforms to be identical? |
| 17:37.47 | KLD | intx: restart ur network and see if that helps |
| 17:37.55 | m0rbid | is there a package where I can setup a dynDNS like service? |
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| 17:38.08 | d0uglas | nkuttler: the vnc log says it can't get the font going |
| 17:38.11 | KLD | . /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:38.16 | d0uglas | MrScotty: i mean |
| 17:38.17 | teclo- | No, no the binaries :) |
| 17:38.24 | teclo- | The distrubtion I mean |
| 17:38.29 | d0uglas | w |
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| 17:38.39 | teclo- | you know, on which discs is screen, less, ncftp, irssi-text ... |
| 17:38.44 | ansong | pipeline, if i'm wanting to remove the zeroconf from the /etc/network/if-up.d/ dir. should i just chmod -x or remove the file entirely? |
| 17:39.04 | jonathan` | ok, i had 2 SCSI drives plugged in when i installed debian, and now we have an IDE drive plugged in.. is there a way to see where that appears in /dev or is there a certain set one for it or something? |
| 17:39.06 | Supaplex | teclo-: oh yea. same stuff, different platform. that's all. same packages, releases, etc etc it's debian m'an :) |
| 17:39.07 | ansong | intx, try 'man ping' |
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| 17:39.16 | intx | KLD: doesn't help |
| 17:39.26 | madclicker | does anyone has fglrx working with etch? |
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| 17:39.36 | nkuttler | ansong: how did you install it? you could put an exit 0 on the second line |
| 17:39.41 | intx | I'm not really trying to get ping to work, as much as fix samba's ability to broadcast |
| 17:40.00 | eeyore- | jonathaN: you have two strategies for dealing with scsi disks |
| 17:40.12 | eeyore- | jonathaN: (1) crapshoot, or (2) use volume labels |
| 17:40.15 | intx | from samba: Packet send failed to 192.168.255.255(137) ERRNO=Operation not permitted |
| 17:40.16 | ansong | nkuttler, i dont' recall installing it. i guess you're right though. thanks |
| 17:40.55 | teclo- | ... or something |
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| 17:42.03 | intx | i've looked over my iptables entries, nothing seems to be preventing broadcasts |
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| 17:42.14 | intx | and it was working before |
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| 17:43.32 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 17:43.43 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 17:44.12 | Supaplex | intx: is your interfaces file sane? |
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| 17:44.42 | DevilChaos | which type of motherboard is best for linux msi or saphire |
| 17:44.44 | m0rbid | Anyone know of such a package where I can host my own DYNdns like services? |
| 17:44.49 | coax | !apt |
| 17:44.49 | dpkg | apt is probably the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.', or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 17:45.01 | Supaplex | intx: double take. I know that nick. :) do you know mine? |
| 17:45.01 | jonathan` | eeyore-, what does the first method involve? lol |
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| 17:45.35 | eeyore- | jonathan`: guesswork, fdisk -l /dev/sda, fdisk -l /dev/sdb and so on so forth |
| 17:45.52 | jonathan` | so scsi will always be on /dev/sd* ? |
| 17:46.04 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: "best" is highly subjective |
| 17:46.10 | intero | do you know of something that would create /etc/nologin automagically at each boot? |
| 17:46.31 | DevilChaos | yeah i know but foung two really good ones and that the manufacturers |
| 17:46.40 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 17:46.43 | DevilChaos | found |
| 17:46.51 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: however, if i can give you an example ... we have msi k8n neo2 platinum motherboard. the cpu retention bracket on the motherboard broke off. tough luck right? called MSI support, they asked for name, address, and ship the replacement bracket right out. no cost to me. |
| 17:47.25 | tdn | intero, http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/1329.htm? |
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| 17:47.33 | DevilChaos | ah ok |
| 17:47.36 | DevilChaos | ta |
| 17:47.38 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 17:47.39 | odb_ | hi |
| 17:47.43 | intero | tdn: reading, thanks |
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| 17:47.51 | odb_ | how can i find the right package for that |
| 17:47.53 | odb_ | /opt/gtkradiant/q3map2.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libmhash.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:48.07 | tdn | intero, I don't know if this is exactly the same problem as yours. |
| 17:48.08 | odb_ | there was an apt cmd to check content, right ? |
| 17:48.14 | tdn | intero, but it sounds alike. |
| 17:48.22 | jonathan` | hmm.. ok i have /dev/sda1, sda2, and sda5, and i also have /dev/hda1, hda2, and hda3 |
| 17:48.31 | tombs | hi all |
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| 17:48.40 | phemur | I upgraded to GNOME 2.12 (from 2.8), but my clipboard data still vanishes when I close applications or windows. Do I have to explicitly turn on this new functionality somewhere? |
| 17:49.05 | DevilChaos | MSI RS482M4-ILD, ATI RS482+SB450, m-ATX, Socket-939,Firewire,LAN,VGA,DVI,PCI-Ex16 or MSI RD480 NEO2-FI, ATI RD480+ULI M1573, Socket-939, Crossfire, GbLAN, 2xPCI-Ex16 |
| 17:49.06 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 17:49.18 | DevilChaos | i just cant decide |
| 17:49.25 | DevilChaos | both look really good |
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| 17:50.16 | eeyore- | jonathan`: use volume labels |
| 17:50.54 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: i was seriously considering the RS482 for mediapc setup :-) |
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| 17:51.16 | eeyore- | DevilChaos: esp the one that has digital S/PDIF out |
| 17:51.32 | DevilChaos | the crossfirw one really catches me but dont know |
| 17:51.45 | DevilChaos | 482? |
| 17:51.56 | intx | Supaplex: yeah, and yeah :) |
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| 17:52.49 | Supaplex | intx: ltns! how's it been? :) oh, and welcome to the world that is Debian :)) |
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| 17:54.55 | DevilChaos | eeyore:thats on the 480 for audio im looking for mine to hook it up to tv too |
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| 17:55.33 | kurtak | What should one normally do when faced w/ a dependancy problem like this one?? The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:55.33 | kurtak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.07 | SlackRat | Evening, i hope this is an easy question..... |
| 17:56.20 | intx | Supaplex: yeah.. okay, thanks, yourself? I've been a debian user for 3+ years now, but thanks :) |
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| 17:57.06 | ruser | did debian switch to xorg? i'm doing sarge->etch and debconf wants me to migrate. |
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| 17:57.42 | DevilChaos | eeyore:going with the 480 |
| 17:57.50 | SlackRat | if I want to install Debian but have more uptodate x and kde, can i boot from the first sarge, then use apt-get or dpkg to load up packages from unstable? or do i have to do a two-three disc install to sarge, then upgrade? |
| 17:57.55 | Matt-H | kurtak: why've you got "4.0.1-4ubuntu9" installed on debian? |
| 17:58.09 | SlackRat | problem is im working from cds, without an internet connection |
| 17:58.17 | kurtak | Matt-H because that's what came w/ this ubuntu install |
| 17:58.17 | DevilChaos | bummer |
| 17:58.26 | Matt-H | kurtak: then that's not debian |
| 17:58.37 | kurtak | Matt-H: how so?? |
| 17:58.44 | Matt-H | !tell kurtak about ubuntu |
| 17:58.52 | TomJones | <n00b question here> I use mount -t smbfs //windowspc/sharename /media/dir to mount windoes shares in Fedora, I installed Debian last night but it would not work. I was told it was a bad filesystem type.... ideas?? </n00b question> |
| 17:58.53 | abrotman | and you sohuld go to #ubuntu |
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| 17:58.55 | SlackRat | arg! kill the ubuntus! |
| 17:59.04 | abrotman | kill the slackrats ? |
| 17:59.06 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 17:59.10 | SlackRat | LOL |
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| 17:59.41 | abrotman | TomJones: uhm .. it should work .. i've used it |
| 17:59.43 | SlackRat | "Nice" ubuntu just got all buggy and hangs during boot....might as well reload sarge |
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| 17:59.45 | kurtak | Matt-H: well, if you're gonna get all technical- are you saying there's no way to fix this? |
| 17:59.57 | ronin | SlackRat: mistake 1, running ubuntu ;) |
| 18:00.00 | Matt-H | kurtak: I'm saying, go to #ubuntu with ubuntu things |
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| 18:00.11 | SlackRat | very true, i just cant believe something so cute is so damn buggy |
| 18:00.15 | DevilChaos | !!! |
| 18:00.15 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 18:00.19 | SlackRat | lol |
| 18:00.21 | Supaplex | intx: yea, I lost count how long I've used it |
| 18:00.25 | abrotman | Matt-H: are you up for the nobel prize in physics this year ? |
| 18:00.39 | SlackRat | at what point in a deb install can i feed my box sid cds instead of sarge? |
| 18:00.57 | abrotman | after it's installed |
| 18:01.02 | Matt-H | abrotman: how did you know? :O |
| 18:01.04 | ronin | after its done |
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| 18:01.22 | TomJones | anyone ever configured request tracker? |
| 18:01.23 | phydoxx | how can i fix this error on udev: could not open /dev/net/tun please? |
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| 18:01.28 | Supaplex | SlackRat: or if you're smarter then the average cd lover, you toss sid in your sources |
| 18:01.30 | ronin | and then only if you know what your doing and can fix it when it breaks |
| 18:01.40 | abrotman | Matt-H: you must be a rocket scientist to know that ubuntu questions should go to #ubuntu |
| 18:01.40 | GNULinux | How do i load java into mozilla |
| 18:01.42 | Supaplex | sid cd's are obsolete the second they're made |
| 18:01.48 | abrotman | !tell GNULinux about install java |
| 18:01.48 | kurtak | then what are some big reasons why ubuntu sux? |
| 18:01.55 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 18:01.59 | abrotman | it's also OT |
| 18:02.01 | DevilChaos | debian rules |
| 18:02.04 | TomJones | lol, debian lovers abound |
| 18:02.10 | kurtak | ok, that's like saying the sky is blue because |
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| 18:02.14 | Matt-H | abrotman: heh... well it's surprising how many people are unable to read the topic |
| 18:02.16 | kurtak | it just is |
| 18:02.22 | SlackRat | thats what i was afraid of abrotman. A two disc install should be enough to upgrade from, if i want to work with some kind of gui for starters to see its all working |
| 18:02.24 | SlackRat | ?? |
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| 18:02.28 | abrotman | kurtak: GO TO #ubuntu |
| 18:02.32 | jamuraa | ubuntu is just not debian, it has it's own support chanel |
| 18:02.33 | Supaplex | kurtak: maybe I should join (insert RPM distro here) and ask them about (some other RPM distro) *think* |
| 18:02.40 | abrotman | SlackRat: most people use the netinst |
| 18:02.41 | kurtak | i don't think they'd tell me why ubuntu sux |
| 18:02.41 | DevilChaos | debian is the best theere is no comparison and forever will be the best |
| 18:02.44 | kurtak | hehe |
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| 18:03.01 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 18:03.02 | dpkg | SuSE owns! |
| 18:03.07 | Supaplex | that's the best we can do.. ;) |
| 18:03.12 | SlackRat | i know, but theres no net connection to use on that box |
| 18:03.13 | phydoxx | can you all stfu about ubuntu and other distros on debian channels? |
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| 18:03.19 | abrotman | duh |
| 18:03.20 | kurtak | you mean you don't gotta dpkg msg for ubuntu kids? |
| 18:03.21 | ronin | phydoxx: dreamer |
| 18:03.21 | SlackRat | im testing the limits of freedom, heh |
| 18:03.24 | treyh0 | kurtak: it doesn't necessarily suck, it's just not debian, so just as asking about a bug in your redhat box in here is inappropriate, so is asking about ubuntu |
| 18:03.33 | TomJones | Ubuntu took the best parts of Debian and mated with RedHat ---> Ubuntu was born |
| 18:03.40 | abrotman | kurtak: take your ass to #ubuntu .. get the fuck out of here .. please |
| 18:03.50 | DevilChaos | this is a debian channel fo! |
| 18:03.52 | Sonny | hi guys, I'm creating my LVM partitions, can you tell me what size it's correct to / partition? 'Cause /usr and /home will be inside the LVM |
| 18:03.54 | SlackRat | thats a grotesque image....who would sleep with redhat? |
| 18:04.00 | TomJones | lol |
| 18:04.01 | kurtak | abrotman: damn dude, take it easy, i was just curious |
| 18:04.20 | phydoxx | kurtak, shut up already. see what you started |
| 18:04.24 | abrotman | you've been told why .. now go |
| 18:04.31 | ruser | did debian switch to xorg? i'm doing sarge->etch and debconf wants me to migrate. |
| 18:04.42 | SlackRat | so a two disc install of sarge should be enough to start the upgrade to sid? |
| 18:04.44 | TomJones | is there a way to setup a software RAID using 2 IDE hard disks? |
| 18:04.47 | abrotman | ruser: in etch/sid .. yes |
| 18:04.56 | DevilChaos | ruser:xfree86 went xorg |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | TomJones: tldp.org .. find the software raid howto |
| 18:04.59 | kurtak | omg relax |
| 18:05.04 | abrotman | DevilChaos: not quite |
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| 18:05.13 | ruser | abrotman migration hard? |
| 18:05.14 | TomJones | wow, that place has everything |
| 18:05.17 | treyh0 | kurtak: i think some debian developers and users are especially upset with the ubuntu camp because there seems to be a shift in resources, particularly away from debian |
| 18:05.18 | abrotman | ruser: not for me |
| 18:05.20 | phydoxx | how can i fix this error on udev: could not open /dev/net/tun please? |
| 18:05.31 | abrotman | treyh0: no .. it's NOT debian . |
| 18:05.38 | ruser | abrotman if i want to keep xfree for now, how hard will it be to swtich to xorg later? |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | i'd do it now |
| 18:05.58 | ruser | okay, thanks |
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| 18:06.10 | treyh0 | i know |
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| 18:06.25 | Sonny | Hello what size it's recommended to my / partition? |
| 18:06.30 | TomJones | is there a major performance/reliability difference between xorg and xfree? |
| 18:06.32 | treyh0 | just trying to curtail the issue with kurtak |
| 18:06.49 | stew | TomJones: no |
| 18:07.07 | nisc | Sonny: depends on how much stuff you want to put there ;) |
| 18:07.21 | TomJones | why are more distros dropping xfree? |
| 18:07.32 | TomJones | debian is one of the few still using it |
| 18:07.34 | kurtak | treyh0: thx- it's not like i've never seen anything OT here- i was just curious about all anti-anything-not-debian rage |
| 18:07.34 | Sonny | nisc, just the system's, because /usr and /home will be inside the LVM |
| 18:07.47 | stew | TomJones: becuase the xfree 4.4 switched to a non-free license |
| 18:08.01 | TomJones | stew: got it tks! |
| 18:08.16 | stew | TomJones: debian has it in the current stable distribution becuase xorg wasn't ready when sarge released, the next debian release will have xorg |
| 18:08.31 | SlackRat | and im guessing i cant use synaptic to upgrade since x will change......for a cd upgrade, i'll be using apt-get? or dpkg? or....? |
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| 18:09.14 | jjazz | SlackRat: The upgrade won't require you to restart X in the middle of the upgrade. |
| 18:09.30 | SlackRat | i can use synaptic???! heh, woot |
| 18:10.02 | jjazz | SlackRat: But if you're doing the upgrade, it's pretty easy from the CLI: apt-get dist-upgrade is all you need. |
| 18:10.05 | Sonny | so If /usr and /home will be outside the / partition, what size it's enought for / ? |
| 18:10.11 | nisc | Sonny: 1-1.5 gigs would be enough for me then. But depends. |
| 18:10.14 | SlackRat | even without a net connection?\ |
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| 18:10.35 | Sonny | nisc, mmmmm so maybe with 2.5Gb will be ok |
| 18:10.38 | SlackRat | (erases misstroked \cf0 and wonders how he hit those keys |
| 18:10.40 | jjazz | SlackRat: Is the cd drive in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:10.43 | Sonny | nisc, just to be sure |
| 18:10.47 | jamuraa | Sonny: it really depends on what you're putting in /var, that's the other large variable directory |
| 18:11.00 | SlackRat | i can add it by ? apt-get addcd ?? |
| 18:11.06 | nisc | Sonny: my / is 2.7gigs, 1.8 of it is /usr |
| 18:11.19 | SlackRat | or synaptic? then they'll be there |
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| 18:11.22 | Sonny | jamuraa, so you recommend me to put also /var in the LVM ? |
| 18:11.31 | jonathan` | can i mount a drive (ie /dev/sda3) to 2 different folders (ie /shares and /exports) ? |
| 18:11.32 | stew | my / is 250 mb, but i have separate /tmp and /var partitions |
| 18:11.36 | jamuraa | sonny: only if you're planning on putting large files there |
| 18:11.36 | jjazz | SlackRat: Edit it directly or use dselect. I don't think apt-get will let you do what you're talking about. |
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| 18:12.14 | Sonny | the biggest partition are not just /usr and /home? what goes to /var? |
| 18:12.22 | SlackRat | ok, my earlier question.....i should have enough of a system up to work from a gui part of the time after the first two sarge cds? |
| 18:12.25 | GNULinux | from this website http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp i dont know which package to download to have java |
| 18:12.38 | jamuraa | sonny: websites, log files, databases, some cache files |
| 18:12.39 | SlackRat | i wanna make sure the mouse and X are running somewhat correctly |
| 18:12.43 | tdn | Sonny, files that changes often. |
| 18:12.52 | tdn | Sonny, read man page for FHS |
| 18:12.57 | jjazz | SlackRat: I have no idea. You have no net connection? |
| 18:13.01 | Sonny | I think they wouldnt be so big right? |
| 18:13.01 | SlackRat | none |
| 18:13.11 | jjazz | SlackRat: Dunno, sorry. |
| 18:13.16 | stew | Sonny: what window manager are you planning to use? |
| 18:13.22 | SlackRat | like i said, testing the limits of my freedom to use debain, heh |
| 18:13.27 | Sonny | stew, gdm |
| 18:13.29 | SlackRat | tho i d prefer to have internet |
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| 18:13.37 | jamuraa | sonny: depends, I have a server with over 1GB in /var for databases alone |
| 18:13.44 | stew | Sonny: then yes the first 2 cds are enough |
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| 18:13.56 | jjazz | jamuraa: apt-get clean? |
| 18:14.15 | stew | Sonny: well, depending on what window manager you are going to use, I'm assuming you mean metacity |
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| 18:14.20 | jamuraa | jjazz: no, it's in /var/lib/postgres :) |
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| 18:14.38 | Sonny | stew, what about my partition's size? any suggestion? |
| 18:14.42 | TomJones | I am setting up an FTP server (partitioning ? here) the FTP files will be stored in /var correct?? and what wouldbe the issues with linking the dorectory to another partition? |
| 18:14.51 | jjazz | jamuraa: Ah. |
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| 18:15.00 | abrotman | TomJones: what ftp files ? |
| 18:15.07 | SlackRat | is kde also running after two cds? |
| 18:15.09 | stew | Sonny: is this drive going to be shared with non-debian partitions? |
| 18:16.01 | TomJones | music, text, programmming projects... personal stuff |
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| 18:17.01 | stew | TomJones: you should be able to configure your ftp server to server files from wherever you want |
| 18:17.02 | Sonny | stew, I have 15Gb for my debian.. so I'm planning to put /usr and /home in the LVM, my question is, what size its recommendable to my / partition? |
| 18:17.22 | stew | Sonny: if /var and /tmp are also on your / partition then it depends |
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| 18:17.58 | Sonny | stew, yep they will be in the / partition, depends on what? |
| 18:18.14 | stew | Sonny: how much stuff will be in var and how much room you desire in /tmp |
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| 18:18.26 | oktubr3 | sorry for my little english... do you now if exsist irc of debian in spanish??? |
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| 18:18.33 | stew | !es |
| 18:18.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:18.46 | oktubr3 | thanks |
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| 18:18.58 | Sonny | stew, this is what I dont know? what goes to /tmp? |
| 18:19.10 | Supaplex | tmp stuff |
| 18:19.11 | SlackRat | arg, wish me luck and lots of magic smoke...its off to debianize another box ( and remove nasty ubuntu kooties from it) |
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| 18:19.39 | nk__ | is the harddisk shut down if I suspend to RAM? |
| 18:19.45 | MrNaz | SlackRat whats so bad about ubuntu? |
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| 18:20.02 | stew | MrNaz: its off-topic here |
| 18:20.07 | kreg_dcdi | never have i see this before. i ran apt-get update and i get a GPG error. no clue what it is. |
| 18:20.16 | stew | Sonny: just temporary files for whatever, scratch space, if you will |
| 18:20.16 | SlackRat | buggy and dumbed down deb for kids |
| 18:20.20 | SlackRat | oops, sorry |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | kreg_dcdi: ever read a topic ? |
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| 18:20.49 | Sonny | stew, would be ok with 3Gb? or 2.5Gb? |
| 18:20.50 | MrNaz | stew well i really meant it in light of the fact that its debian based... perhaps if i worded it "what good things about debian has the ubuntu project broken?" |
| 18:20.51 | jonathan` | is there a way to format a drive through the text console? or just some way to clear it out completely? |
| 18:21.14 | SlackRat | compatibility? |
| 18:21.18 | SlackRat | oops |
| 18:21.24 | stew | Sonny: probably unless you were going to be storing large databases or serving a lot of web stuff from /var/www/ |
| 18:21.28 | SlackRat | i'll shut up now.... |
| 18:21.43 | ruser | jonathn` fdisk? |
| 18:21.47 | kreg_dcdi | wtf? |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | jonathan`: of course |
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| 18:21.54 | stew | MrNaz: i meant, "ubuntu is off-topic in this channel" |
| 18:21.57 | abrotman | kreg_dcdi: /topic |
| 18:22.13 | kreg_dcdi | how are the non irc'ers supposed to know this? |
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| 18:22.24 | Sonny | stew, in that case I'll create in the future /www and put it inside the LVM |
| 18:22.47 | SlackRat | by reading the first thing that pops up in the irc page? just a guess |
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| 18:23.06 | MrNaz | stew please dont think i'm being argumentative, but surely its related to debian to ask why i should use debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 18:23.38 | stew | MrNaz: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 18:23.50 | SlackRat | if you like ubuntu, you shouldnt use anything else |
| 18:23.51 | MrNaz | *sigh* |
| 18:24.16 | MrNaz | SlackRat mind if i PM you... you seem to know a thing or two and arent disinclined to share... |
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| 18:24.43 | kreg_dcdi | abrotman, cool thanks |
| 18:24.47 | stew | MrNaz: if you want to discuss the relative merits of various distributions, ##linux is a more appropriate channel |
| 18:24.49 | SlackRat | it might be better....this is a debian room for debian topics, so... |
| 18:25.04 | MrNaz | thanks... |
| 18:25.06 | abrotman | kreg_dcdi: the topic is displayed when you join .. hvae a nice day :) |
| 18:25.13 | kreg_dcdi | >: ) |
| 18:25.19 | jonathan` | when i do an fdisk -l it tells me that /dev/hda2 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 18:25.48 | jamuraa | jonathan`: that's because /dev/hda2 is a partition, not a disk. Try /dev/hda |
| 18:26.14 | jamuraa | s/disk/drive/ |
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| 18:27.15 | stew | kreg_dcdi: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 18:27.42 | kreg_dcdi | thanks |
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| 18:28.29 | kreg_dcdi | is there a list of different /msg dpkg 's ? |
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| 18:28.51 | ra_oOo | hi |
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| 18:29.41 | ra_oOo | i got a lil question |
| 18:29.50 | Supaplex | ra_oOo: then ask it :) |
| 18:29.53 | Canadian | How do i fugure out which package provide a particular binary? |
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| 18:30.05 | ra_oOo | am i right that segmentation faults often indicate a broke hard disk? |
| 18:30.09 | starfishy | dpkg -S <binary> |
| 18:30.09 | lakcaj | dpkg -S /path/to/binary |
| 18:30.09 | dpkg | There is no record of a <binary> package |
| 18:30.09 | dpkg | You Fool! /path/to/binary is installed! |
| 18:30.16 | azeem | ra_oOo: no |
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| 18:30.22 | Supaplex | !tell Canadian -about search |
| 18:30.40 | ra_oOo | how can i figure out what is wrong with my system when i often get these error messages? |
| 18:30.49 | stew | kreg_dcdi: /msg dpkg help ; /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; or i have a web-enabled version at http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 18:31.00 | zinx | ra_oOo: random segfaults can indicate any number of hardware problems, some of which are correctable by software. |
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| 18:31.10 | azeem | ra_oOo: maybe it is the application which segfaults, not your system |
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| 18:31.32 | zinx | ra_oOo: predictable segfaults are usually applications, but can be the hard drive |
| 18:31.34 | secher_ | does anyone know where firefox stores it's themes? |
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| 18:31.38 | feb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.40 | starfishy | a segmentation fault has nothing to do with the hard disk |
| 18:31.51 | jharrisonwk | Canadian: the dpkg -S will only work for packages on your system |
| 18:31.53 | starfishy | usually means that the application you are running has a bug |
| 18:31.54 | feb | is it a known problem ? |
| 18:31.57 | ronin | feb: only one? |
| 18:32.02 | ronin | was it good pron? |
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| 18:32.05 | jharrisonwk | Canadian: apt-file should work for everything else |
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| 18:32.15 | Canadian | sound like i need apt-file to |
| 18:32.25 | feb | ronin: spammers never send good stuff |
| 18:32.31 | ra_oOo | well i have a virtual server running which was just fine for months. but today as i logged in via ssh some applications crashed, and i got an error message that there were too maybe open files in the system. after a reboot, i get these segmentation faults. not at particular points. they occour somehow randomly |
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| 18:33.00 | zinx | ra_oOo: check your fans |
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| 18:33.18 | Supaplex | !rootkit |
| 18:33.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, rootkit is a set of tools that replace the standard Unix utilities like ls and ps in order to hide certain files and processes from the admin. It is a good thing to have a copy of these tools on disk, but that only helps against the weaker rootkits (that don't modify the kernel in place). |
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| 18:33.37 | jonathan` | can you force removal of files or directories if they're non-empty? |
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| 18:33.46 | zinx | jonathaN: uhm, no |
| 18:33.47 | starfishy | rm -f |
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| 18:34.02 | starfishy | zinx: no? |
| 18:34.09 | starfishy | rm -rf for directories |
| 18:34.14 | m0rbid | anyone here ever use gnudip ? |
| 18:34.14 | zinx | jonathan`: to remove non-empty directories, you have to erase the files. |
| 18:34.19 | starfishy | rm for files |
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| 18:34.31 | starfishy | zinx: how did you get that idea? |
| 18:34.33 | zinx | jonathan`: you can only remove them once they're empty.. as starfishy says, rm can do this for you |
| 18:34.37 | ruser | starfishy but directory is a file. justa a special one |
| 18:34.37 | ra_oOo | zinx: as i said its a virtual root server. so i dont have access to the hardware |
| 18:34.38 | justinsmithies | Guys ive tried everywhere can someone please help ? I have postfix amavis and spamassassin installed . When i view my source on the emails i see X-virus scanned but i cant get it to add X-spam and the scores etc. Please help |
| 18:34.38 | zinx | starfishy: that's how it works. |
| 18:34.42 | Supaplex | m0rbid: yea, it makes that gun more tasty at parties *chomp* mmmmm gundip every time |
| 18:34.46 | starfishy | rm -rf directory erases a whole tree including the directories |
| 18:34.47 | zinx | starfishy: all rm -r does is remove the files first :D |
| 18:34.51 | starfishy | yes |
| 18:35.01 | Supaplex | man rm *sigh* |
| 18:35.02 | m0rbid | Supaplex: hehe |
| 18:35.05 | starfishy | you are looking at it from the perspective of a system developer |
| 18:35.13 | zinx | starfishy: that's what I am. |
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| 18:35.25 | starfishy | jonathan as far as i can tell just wants to know whether he can issue one command and have a whole directory removed |
| 18:35.32 | m0rbid | theres no man file, I installed it, but it wont run.. |
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| 18:35.34 | ruser | starfishy i'm loking on it from prospectiive of link count... i suppose |
| 18:35.35 | starfishy | so from his perspective the answer is yes |
| 18:35.37 | m0rbid | I dont know what to do from here.. |
| 18:35.47 | jonathan` | yeah i have an old debian install on a drive that i mounted and i was just trying to clear the old files out |
| 18:35.52 | zinx | starfishy: more likely he has an immutable file from a corrupted filesystem that he's unable to erase, but whatever :) |
| 18:35.53 | starfishy | ruser: you of course are correct too |
| 18:35.59 | jonathan` | rm -rf was what i needed |
| 18:36.04 | zinx | oh, ok |
| 18:36.06 | TomJones | rm -R |
| 18:36.07 | starfishy | zinx: thats a totally different issue |
| 18:36.08 | ruser | starfishy sorry, dont' mean to give trouble :) |
| 18:36.14 | oklinux | how do I check to see which version of debian I installed ? |
| 18:36.14 | starfishy | ruser: you dont |
| 18:36.39 | starfishy | and you are correct, the answer is just one step above what a user usually wants to know |
| 18:36.48 | zinx | starfishy: usually when people ask how they can remove a non-empty directory, it's because they can't make it empty :) |
| 18:36.59 | ruser | oklinux cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 18:37.17 | SlackRat | man rmdir |
| 18:37.17 | starfishy | well, i was waiting for jonathan to come back and say that he cant remove the directory with rf |
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| 18:37.26 | TomJones | lol, so rm -Rf /* is bad? |
| 18:37.28 | starfishy | then i could give him advice about fscking the filesystem |
| 18:37.37 | ruser | :)) |
| 18:37.37 | starfishy | but before he actually tells me that its overkill IMHO |
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| 18:37.41 | SlackRat | with the force if not empty option |
| 18:37.43 | sewi | Hello, two days ago I upgraded my debian sarge from debian.security.org and after that I have some problems with xlibs-dri and midnight commander. Before it was ok. How I could reinstall only these packages from the security upgrade? |
| 18:37.59 | azeem | sewi: apt-get install --reinstall mc |
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| 18:39.14 | Red_Cloud | I am attempting to download Debian etch. I cannot navigate to the jigdo mirrors. ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch/jigdo/ Is it me? or is the site down? |
| 18:39.18 | sewi | azeem: so far I've done apt-get remove mc and then apt-get install mc but it didn't help so probably I must reinstall all these packages |
| 18:39.20 | jonathan` | naw im good, rm -rf worked so I just used that |
| 18:39.30 | jonathan` | and I think I'm good, got everything done today that I needed too, thanks for all the help guys =) |
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| 18:41.01 | sewi | I mean I upgraded all the security updates since the release Sarge so it was more than 120 packages and I don't know which package make trouble |
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| 18:41.48 | SlackRat | one last question....last time i loaded debian sarge onto a laptop, the desk manager splash wouldnt get any better than 400x600 or some such hideous resolution, and i thought i saw docs implying there was a bug, related to certain hardware (like via chipsets from hell) ....will upgrading fix those annoying X glitches? |
| 18:41.56 | stew | sewi: can you show us your sources.list and the results of "apt-cache policy mc xlibs-dri", use a pastebin |
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| 18:42.26 | stew | SlackRat: x is running at the proper resolution, just the splash is off? |
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| 18:43.09 | SlackRat | well, i couldnt get it higher than 800x600 but it was usable, yeah, the splash was WAY off, and i thougtht the rest couldve been tweaked, eventually |
| 18:43.23 | DeeJay | Can someone help me "ban" some ip addresses from my system? I get alot of mailspam on alot of ip addresses that i have written down |
| 18:43.27 | SlackRat | except the splash on gdm and kdm |
| 18:43.55 | SlackRat | i didnt try pushing the normal resolution..... |
| 18:44.04 | beardy | normal? |
| 18:44.33 | SlackRat | the usable but low default of 800x600 that i booted into |
| 18:45.05 | SlackRat | i didnt change any conf. files to fix that.....till I knew why the splash was so off |
| 18:45.31 | stew | SlackRat: why don't you get X running at the correct resolution first? |
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| 18:45.43 | petemc | DeeJay: you can use something like.. ip route add prohibit <ip> |
| 18:46.06 | SlackRat | i put in the correct specs, and then booted into the 800x600 with no higher figures to choose from in KDE |
| 18:46.07 | petemc | d0uglas: id be careful with that tho, it could come back to nip you in the ass later |
| 18:46.10 | petemc | gah |
| 18:46.12 | petemc | DeeJay: ^^ |
| 18:46.19 | stew | SlackRat: then you didn't put in the correct specs |
| 18:46.21 | d0uglas | true, noted |
| 18:46.33 | d0uglas | heh |
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| 18:46.49 | petemc | :) |
| 18:46.50 | SlackRat | should i put in the next highest? the one above what the monitor can handle? |
| 18:46.52 | joeey | whos's good with snmp and mrtg ? |
| 18:47.01 | SlackRat | LCD monitor |
| 18:47.01 | sewi | stew: http://pastebin.com/534107 |
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| 18:47.30 | DeeJay | petemc yeah but i found out my courier mailserver had something that could do it |
| 18:47.31 | kennethd | are there any cli encoders/decoders that can turn .wma files into .ogg/.wav/.aiff/whatever? |
| 18:47.49 | stew | SlackRat: no you should be using the one the monitor can handle. you probably put in incorrect refresh rates, how is the monitor connected? |
| 18:47.59 | bizkit | petemc: ip route add prohibit <ip> is that the same like nullrouting the ip? |
| 18:48.04 | foadd | kennethd, mplayer using mencoder |
| 18:48.06 | SlackRat | connected? laptop monitor |
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| 18:48.23 | petemc | bizkit: yeah, adds a route to 255.255.255.255 to it, or something |
| 18:48.26 | starfishy | slackrat: on an lcd select the lowest refresh rate available |
| 18:48.35 | SlackRat | ah, ok, thanks |
| 18:48.45 | stew | sewi: security.debian.org isn't a complete mirror, only the updates, you need to uncomment your main mirror, looks like the second line |
| 18:48.50 | kennethd | foadd, thanks! |
| 18:49.00 | bizkit | petemc: i don't have the 'ip' command and |
| 18:49.02 | starfishy | lcds are not like CRTs that flicker |
| 18:49.03 | foadd | kennethd, you are welcome |
| 18:49.10 | petemc | bizkit: install iproute |
| 18:49.17 | bizkit | petemc: thanks |
| 18:49.19 | chealer | Red_Cloud: it looks down |
| 18:49.22 | stew | SlackRat: you can try removing the refresh rates from the monitor section entirely, they should be auto-detected |
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| 18:49.43 | chealer | Red_Cloud: hum, just got something |
| 18:49.45 | SlackRat | how do i remove them, stew? |
| 18:49.55 | starfishy | stew is right, autodetect most likely will work |
| 18:50.03 | chealer | Red_Cloud: maybe you should get it from somewhere else anyway |
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| 18:50.17 | SlackRat | believe me, in a debian install im quite happy to let it auto what it wants, LOL |
| 18:50.19 | stew | SlackRat: by editing the config file manually, note the comments at the top or read /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 18:50.19 | Red_Cloud | chealer, thanks. I just got something also |
| 18:50.21 | starfishy | there should be ModeLines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:50.34 | SlackRat | <---makes a note |
| 18:50.34 | starfishy | remove them and the system should autodetect the video modes |
| 18:50.48 | stew | i'm not talking about the modelines, but the refresh rates |
| 18:50.52 | SlackRat | right |
| 18:50.54 | stew | but you shoulnd't need either |
| 18:51.07 | starfishy | if there are no ModeLines just leave the file as it is |
| 18:51.12 | stew | SlackRat: can you tell me what you had in there for VertRefresh? |
| 18:51.41 | oklinux | hello Mr stew |
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| 18:52.10 | SlackRat | and restart the session, or reboot? my guess was in the 30-60 range, figuring it was safe for crts, probably not too bright on a lcd |
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| 18:52.58 | stew | SlackRat: are you planning on using this configuration with crts? |
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| 18:53.09 | Red_Cloud | chealer, I know of no other places to download debian |
| 18:53.27 | SlackRat | er, no, hence the lack of brightness on my part |
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| 18:54.01 | GomoX | Hi |
| 18:54.01 | chealer | Red_Cloud: see cdimage.debian.org |
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| 18:54.33 | GomoX | I have a weird problem. man MAKEDEV claims the script will create "ubd{0...255}" devices when using the "ubd" parameter. |
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| 18:54.52 | GomoX | Still, it creates ubda, ubda1, ubda2, ubdb.. etc nodes |
| 18:55.09 | aphexer | i want to install apache with php and mysql support. php works, but php scripts can't use the php mysql functions, the mysql extension is missing. I already uncommented the entry in /etc/php/apache2/php.ini and restart but still it's not working. What should I do? |
| 18:55.18 | GomoX | I need ubd{0...255}! How do i get one of those? |
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| 18:55.58 | stew | SlackRat: if you are not planning on using this with a crt, try commenting out the Refresh lines from the monitor section and restarting X, if you are only using monitors that are digitally connected (i.e. laptop monitor or dvi) the rates can usually be detected automatically |
| 18:56.04 | chealer | aphexer: so php?-mysql is installed and you uncommented the mysql extension in php.ini? |
| 18:56.20 | sewi | stew: my sarge repository is under /usr/local/ so it must be ok |
| 18:56.23 | SlackRat | sounds like a plan stew, thx |
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| 18:56.44 | stew | sewi: oh, i missed that |
| 18:56.48 | Nino | Hey guys, I'm trying to use Apt to upgrade my Python2.3 install but I get a message saying "activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option" Because it needs to temp remove e2fsprogs. I've tried doing a apt-get --force-loopbreak install python2.4 but I get that option not understood. |
| 18:57.34 | Nino | I've tried using cap letters but same error. I dont see this option in man Apt-get either |
| 18:57.38 | abrotman | !e2fs loop |
| 18:57.40 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:58.00 | abrotman | !listkeys e2fs |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'e2fs' by key (13): mke2fs ;; explore2fs ;; _default explore2fs ;; #debian e2fsprogs ;; _default e2fsprogs ;; _default tune2fs ;; #debian explore2fs ;; _default e2fsprogs loop ;; tune2fs ;; e2fsprogs ;; e2fsprogs loop ;; #debian e2fsprogs loop ;; resize2fs. |
| 18:58.00 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | from memory, e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:58.12 | sewi | stew: so how to reinstall all the security updates assuming that in /var/cache/apt/archive there are only deb files from security updates? |
| 18:58.33 | aphexer | chealer: i installed mysql (which is working from the commandline etc) and apache2 with php (and php is working too for scripts which don't use mysql...). and i uncommented the entry in php.ini yes. (are you referring to yet another package for just the extension?) |
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| 18:58.48 | mne | hi ! I've a problem with bash completion and scp/ssh. if I write scp file<TAB><TAB> completion works, but it also writes "sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command" in between. any hints ? |
| 18:59.05 | chealer | aphexer: yes, php4-mysql or php5-mysql |
| 18:59.32 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 18:59.41 | djp | does anyone know how to enable spell checking for evolution? |
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| 18:59.45 | jharrisonwk | I think I should go back to my server |
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| 19:01.00 | nkuttler | mne: fix /etc/bash_completion? |
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| 19:02.18 | mne | nkuttler, i never changed it, /etc/bash_completion should be the debian packages file. I'm doing a diff with bash_completion on another host. thx for the tip |
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| 19:04.18 | mne | nkuttler, there's the same problem on the other debian unstable host, maybe it's a common problem/bug ? |
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| 19:04.45 | djp | does anyone know how to enable spell checking for evolution? |
| 19:05.07 | nkuttler | mne: check the bts |
| 19:05.26 | mne | nkuttler, just looking at the bts ;) |
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| 19:05.48 | nkuttler | djp: install whatever gnome needs to do spellchecking? |
| 19:05.57 | Nino | abrotman: The apt-get update after changing the sources to stable I understand but wont apt-get upgrade install earlier ver of Debian? |
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| 19:06.37 | kastner | the ffmpeg package doesn't do mp3 encoding does it? |
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| 19:07.10 | S4nD3r | I want to compact folder moodledata, but moodledata/sessions is opened. How to I ignore the moodledata/sessions to compact all other datas??? |
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| 19:07.29 | kastner | could someone confirm? |
| 19:07.39 | elephantMan | Hi all |
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| 19:08.02 | LinuxNIT-laptop | does debian etch use xfree86 or xorg? |
| 19:08.04 | elephantMan | How can i recursively rename folder with '*-xxx' in '*-yyy' ? |
| 19:08.04 | azeem | kastner: I don't think it does, at least not the one in Debian |
| 19:08.17 | d0uglas | LinuxNIT: xorg |
| 19:08.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | k |
| 19:08.25 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks |
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| 19:08.42 | kastner | azeem: ah... if I were to apt-get source ffmpeg, then compile it myself, I would keep all the debian options, be able t o add libmp3lame AND get a .deb to boot right? |
| 19:08.45 | SlackRat | Sid is Xorg ( im hoping....) |
| 19:08.55 | mike-m | sure |
| 19:08.56 | nkuttler | kastner: /msg dpkg lame |
| 19:09.04 | azeem | kastner: maybe |
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| 19:09.39 | SlackRat | am i, er....asking for trouble by upgradingt to unstable? |
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| 19:10.12 | azeem | SlackRat: you are at least asking to not asking about trouble in here |
| 19:10.19 | nkuttler | SlackRat: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 19:10.37 | SlackRat | azeem, was i supposed to understand that? LOL |
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| 19:10.51 | SlackRat | thats a good thing then, right? |
| 19:10.51 | tarzeau | DAMNED AUTO BTS CLOSER OF 365 DAYS |
| 19:11.00 | tarzeau | I HATE IT! I HATE IT! DIE! DIE! |
| 19:11.07 | mne | nkuttler, ok, it's a known bug #347534, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347534, thx for helping |
| 19:11.12 | chealer | tarzeau: what's that? |
| 19:11.22 | selutha | tarso, whats bts? |
| 19:11.27 | tarzeau | chealer: some stupid shit script that closes bugs older than 365 days |
| 19:11.28 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 19:11.28 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 19:11.31 | djp | nkuttler, yep, thanks. got it working by installing gnome-spell. |
| 19:11.34 | mne | tarzeau, you mean that a bug reports gets closed after 365 days ? |
| 19:11.40 | tarzeau | chealer: i wouldn't give shit doing ITP's if i wouldn't have to |
| 19:11.51 | chealer | tarzeau: oh, for WNPP...I see |
| 19:11.51 | tarzeau | but now the fuck gets closed without asking me |
| 19:12.01 | tarzeau | mne: yes it's absolutely fucked |
| 19:12.02 | azeem | tarzeau: please chill down |
| 19:12.10 | azeem | tarzeau: did they not ping you? |
| 19:12.15 | tarzeau | azeem: no |
| 19:12.16 | tarzeau | penis |
| 19:12.37 | tarzeau | azeem: the thing is when i want to open it, i can't without messing around |
| 19:12.46 | tarzeau | because debian doesn't take my non8bit mails |
| 19:12.53 | tarzeau | because reportbug and bts tools are broken |
| 19:12.58 | tarzeau | awwwwww i so hate it |
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| 19:13.06 | aphexer | chealer: yes the package php4-mysql is installed here |
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| 19:13.12 | azeem | tarzeau: I usually just use my regular mailer |
| 19:13.21 | azeem | tarzeau: or do you mean your regular mailer is broken? |
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| 19:13.29 | mne | tarzeau, lol. I guess it might be an irrelevant bug/message if it's ignored for a year long, or am I wrong ? ;) |
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| 19:13.40 | chealer | aphexer: so it was already installed, or you just installed it, restarted Apache, and it still doesn't work? |
| 19:13.44 | tarzeau | azeem: no, i use the bts tool, and yes my regular thunderbird mailer is broken too |
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| 19:13.57 | tarzeau | mne: you are wrong |
| 19:14.02 | azeem | tarzeau: so why are you special? Other people use bts as well |
| 19:14.07 | tarzeau | mne: i can close stuff i don't care about anymore myself |
| 19:14.15 | tarzeau | azeem: well if i use bts it doesn't work |
| 19:14.19 | tarzeau | azeem: bts has a bug |
| 19:14.21 | mne | tarzeau, ok, then the auto close is shit ;) |
| 19:14.23 | azeem | tarzeau: do you have an example of such an auto-close bug? |
| 19:14.24 | aphexer | chealer: i had it installed earlier, just forgot about it :) and yes i restarted, and it still doesn't work |
| 19:14.25 | tarzeau | azeem: my DEBFULLNAME has umlauts |
| 19:14.35 | aphexer | chealer: phpmyadmin says this: "Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration" |
| 19:14.38 | tarzeau | azeem: #291916 |
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| 19:14.54 | azeem | tarzeau: surely there must be others with the same problem |
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| 19:15.11 | chealer | aphexer: what does phpinfo say about mysql? |
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| 19:15.58 | aphexer | chealer: in the configure command there was specified --without-mysql however it's listed below that with some options |
| 19:16.39 | chealer | aphexer: ok, so there's a mysl section below |
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| 19:16.46 | aphexer | yes |
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| 19:18.21 | SlackRat | *sigh* i've put off this install long enough....later folks |
| 19:19.08 | shart000 | btw. slackrat has now gone through all flavours of linux |
| 19:19.42 | kspath | shart000: I doubt that a little everyday there are like 10 new useless ones |
| 19:19.57 | shart000 | lol |
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| 19:21.12 | kreg_dcdi | hah hah |
| 19:21.19 | shart000 | Linux confuses me sometimes, wouldn't it be better to have one super distro ? |
| 19:21.28 | kreg_dcdi | "unfortuantely, this domain is registered with network solutions" |
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| 19:21.42 | ruser | shart000 linux is about diversity different people different tastes. |
| 19:21.47 | mhall | kreg_dcdi: which domain |
| 19:21.51 | chealer | aphexer: hum, can I see your phpinfo()? |
| 19:22.01 | kreg_dcdi | dcdi |
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| 19:22.12 | kreg_dcdi | dcdi.net |
| 19:22.13 | kspath | shart000: You are failing to see the real truth. There is only one real distro. Debian. |
| 19:22.13 | aphexer | chealer: the machine is in my local network, i'll try to forward the port :) one sec |
| 19:22.19 | ruser | kspath :) |
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| 19:23.25 | mhall | kspath: For a while they made Chuck Norris toiler paper but it got discontinued because it didn't take shit off of anybody. |
| 19:23.33 | Supaplex | kspath++ one distro to run them all, one distro to own them all |
| 19:23.35 | kspath | shart000: Redhat and the like only exist to give "biz" people that warm happy feeling of knowing that someone is pretending to care and pretending at assisting them (support) |
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| 19:23.59 | mhall | kspath: i dunno, i'd say slackware and gento are also real distros by this measurement |
| 19:24.05 | Hamselv | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.06 | mhall | s/gento/gentoo/g |
| 19:24.12 | Hamselv | fsck |
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| 19:24.17 | mhall | Hamselv: s/ //g |
| 19:24.18 | kspath | !gentoosmite mhall |
| 19:24.28 | Supaplex | hehee |
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| 19:24.41 | mhall | the trick is, you probably shouldn't use gentoo in a single box situation |
| 19:24.49 | mhall | it would be a good choice for a cluster |
| 19:24.51 | kspath | mhall: slackware is not horrible for recovering BSDers |
| 19:24.56 | mhall | make the build on one box and copy it |
| 19:25.03 | aphexer | chealer: can you try http://aphexer.homedns.org:8080 |
| 19:25.04 | mhall | kspath: it's good if you are a hacker |
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| 19:25.08 | Supaplex | distcc mmmm |
| 19:25.13 | tarzeau | mhall: only if the cluster is made of same hardware |
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| 19:25.27 | kspath | mhall: why do you need gentoo? Do you need hand holding? |
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| 19:25.38 | Supaplex | tarzeau: not neccessarly (some care is required, yes) |
| 19:25.42 | tarzeau | mhall: we've got a cluster with 14 different kernels here... |
| 19:25.46 | mhall | kspath: because the tarballs make life easy if you need to hack something (slackware) |
| 19:25.56 | mhall | tarzeau: why not just one kernel with the all proper drivers |
| 19:26.04 | mhall | tarzeau: it would only take... a couple of extra MB |
| 19:26.06 | aphexer | chealer: does the port forwarding work?:) |
| 19:26.11 | Supaplex | that's what deb-src is for |
| 19:26.13 | chealer | aphexer: yes |
| 19:26.18 | mhall | my big fat poofy kernel is only like 6 MB |
| 19:26.19 | tarzeau | mhall: we have amd and intel, and less than 1 GB, 4GB mem |
| 19:26.27 | tarzeau | mhall: one kernel for all will perform badly |
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| 19:26.29 | ilgufo | hi |
| 19:26.30 | kspath | mhall: not everyone can or should have 5,000 of the exact same machine type. |
| 19:26.45 | mhall | kspath: yeah in that case better not use gentoo |
| 19:26.47 | selutha | i think gentoo is very nice for a dev box. |
| 19:26.52 | tarzeau | kspath: maybe he meant small clusters |
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| 19:27.24 | Irrumator | Anyone having problems with gnome-volume-manager lately? |
| 19:27.24 | mhall | i mean, you know, if you have like 20 opteron boxes or something running the same stuff, gentoo would be a good choice |
| 19:27.30 | tarzeau | selutha: ugh |
| 19:27.32 | aargh | hey does anyone know how to umount usbfs during runtime? |
| 19:27.37 | kspath | mhall: make your own tarballs? |
| 19:27.40 | mhall | because the extra performance of not including stuff you don't use and deps you don't want would be worth it |
| 19:27.42 | ne78 | any plan for thunderbird 1.5 in unstable ? is there any preview deb already ? |
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| 19:27.55 | mhall | kspath: yeah that's what i propose, compile it up on one with gentoo then copy it over |
| 19:28.11 | selutha | tarzeau, i take it you have a strong dislike for gentoo ;) |
| 19:28.14 | mhall | kspath: use g4l and image them from it |
| 19:28.22 | Supaplex | aargh: umount, or maybe pivot_root. depends on if it's in use, lsof(1) |
| 19:28.23 | mhall | ne78: let me peek |
| 19:28.32 | aphexer | chealer: eh it suddenly works |
| 19:28.39 | aargh | Supaplex: thanks for the lsof tip, didn't think of that |
| 19:28.45 | Aidamina | What is the best c/c++ ide for linux/debian systems? |
| 19:28.49 | chealer | aphexer: heh. good, because I didn't know what to tell you |
| 19:28.53 | aphexer | :D |
| 19:28.56 | tarzeau | selutha: yes :) |
| 19:29.07 | aphexer | i didn't even do a restart since last time it didn't work |
| 19:29.08 | aphexer | hm |
| 19:29.10 | Supaplex | aargh: no sweat. gl |
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| 19:29.14 | ne78 | mhall thank you, there is no debian mozilla mailing so i don't where to look |
| 19:29.21 | aphexer | well thanks for helping :) |
| 19:29.50 | mhall | ne78: yeah i have experimental on my box and there isn't anything there |
| 19:29.55 | mhall | ne78: let me try incoming |
| 19:30.00 | selutha | tarzeau, lol np i like it you hate it same same, but for the redhat thing i am currently taking red hat off a box at work. paying redhat really is a waste of money |
| 19:30.04 | chealer | aphexer: it's always a pleasure :) |
| 19:30.19 | mhall | ne78: nothing there either |
| 19:30.27 | mhall | ne78: hmm, let's see |
| 19:30.30 | ne78 | mhall: maybe the homepage of the maintainer |
| 19:31.10 | tarzeau | selutha: i'm in the privileged position to have debian at work, large scale |
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| 19:31.41 | ruser | tehy make us use mandriva at work :( |
| 19:31.50 | selutha | tarzeau, very nice. i am moving a rehl box to debian, so having to relearn some debian stuff :) |
| 19:31.57 | ruser | s/tehy/they/ |
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| 19:32.10 | selutha | tarzeau, do you mind me asking what you do with debian servers at work? |
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| 19:33.31 | triple5 | I am in the lucky 15, hey there |
| 19:33.53 | triple5 | can someone help me to fix my smtp (courier)? |
| 19:33.56 | mhall | ne78: yeah good idea |
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| 19:34.08 | Ungy | triple5, did you try #courier |
| 19:34.09 | mhall | ne78: i tried searching every mailing list for past calendar quarter; nothing |
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| 19:34.50 | mhall | ne78: also, irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird |
| 19:35.11 | Aidamina | What is the best c/c++ ide for linux/debian systems? |
| 19:35.12 | paveq | is it possible to install debian from very minimal linux environment |
| 19:35.19 | mhall | !best |
| 19:35.19 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:35.25 | paveq | without official debian cd's |
| 19:35.28 | Aidamina | okok |
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| 19:35.44 | Azar | paveq: CD#1 only |
| 19:35.45 | Aidamina | well i mean more in terms of easy usage / nice gui |
| 19:35.47 | jjazz | Aidamina: emacs |
| 19:35.51 | bobbens | vim |
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| 19:35.55 | foadd | Aidamina, anjuta or eclipse or maybe kdevelop |
| 19:36.03 | mhall | Aidamina: one thing i'd say is, if you have complete choice of language, you might consider mono |
| 19:36.04 | Azar | vim gui? |
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| 19:36.13 | mhall | Aidamina: it's best to use the highest level language you can |
| 19:36.15 | bobbens | uh gvim methinks? |
| 19:36.20 | paveq | Azar: I only got gentoo minimal cd and no OS to burn debian |
| 19:36.23 | paveq | :D |
| 19:36.32 | paveq | b0rked my partition table |
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| 19:36.32 | Aidamina | ok i know mono |
| 19:36.38 | foadd | !gentoosmite paveq |
| 19:36.39 | Aidamina | *about mono |
| 19:36.40 | foadd | :P |
| 19:36.47 | Aidamina | but does it come with with a gui ide? |
| 19:36.49 | paveq | foadd: I know |
| 19:37.02 | Azar | paveq: I ment Debian CD # 1 I never said gentoo did I ? |
| 19:37.05 | TomJones | to piggy back on Aidmina -- What is a good option comparable to Visual Studio? |
| 19:37.05 | paveq | foadd: thats why I install debian |
| 19:37.10 | mhall | Aidamina: yeah they have a nice IDE monodevelop |
| 19:37.18 | TomJones | C++ compiler |
| 19:37.19 | paveq | Azar: but I only got gentoo |
| 19:37.21 | paveq | :/ |
| 19:37.26 | paveq | is it possible |
| 19:37.28 | Aidamina | Yeah TomJones thats what i ment |
| 19:37.28 | mhall | TomJones: intel or g++ is about all you get |
| 19:37.35 | Aidamina | yeah i know |
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| 19:37.40 | Aidamina | how to use g++ |
| 19:37.57 | paveq | Azar: basically I can only download tar and extract it to filesystem |
| 19:38.05 | foadd | Aidamina, g++ foo.cpp -o output |
| 19:38.11 | Aidamina | yeah i know that |
| 19:38.18 | foadd | so? |
| 19:38.25 | jjazz | Aidamina: kdevelop3 might be what you want |
| 19:38.28 | Aidamina | well, but im talking about developing asin designing the code |
| 19:38.35 | bucky | Aidamina, anjuta if you have gnome |
| 19:38.35 | paveq | Azar: guess debian minimalistic install cd does something like that? |
| 19:38.37 | TomJones | so I get eclipse, create a project and then use g++ to compile it? |
| 19:38.37 | Aidamina | im used to vs2003 |
| 19:39.00 | Aidamina | is there any equivalent to vs2003 for linux? |
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| 19:39.08 | Azar | paveq: if you want minimalistic, you can use half of CD #1 .. |
| 19:39.12 | bucky | Aidamina, prolly eclipse is the closest |
| 19:39.27 | paveq | so I would need minimal debian packed to tar which I could boot |
| 19:39.30 | TomJones | is eclipse an all-in-one like vs2k3? |
| 19:39.37 | Aidamina | ok |
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| 19:39.45 | TomJones | by allin one I mean IDE and compiler |
| 19:39.52 | bucky | eclipse has plugins for whatever language you want |
| 19:39.54 | kspath | !M$smite vs2k3people |
| 19:40.00 | Aidamina | :P |
| 19:40.03 | TomJones | gotcha |
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| 19:40.30 | paveq | Azar: did you understand my problem? I don't got any OS to burn any cd's |
| 19:40.43 | bucky | if you want to do windows programming DevC++ is the best |
| 19:40.46 | TomJones | kspath: at least we are moving to unix instead of away from it |
| 19:40.52 | paveq | I need to manage with gentoo minimal cd |
| 19:40.59 | Azar | paveq: you can allways order the Debian CDs.. |
| 19:41.01 | paveq | or *krhm* windows XP cd :( |
| 19:41.04 | mhall | Aidamina: really you are best off starting with two tabs in a tabbed X terminal like konsole |
| 19:41.10 | mhall | Aidamina: one with editor, one with compiler |
| 19:41.14 | kspath | TomJones: Linux is not UNIX |
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| 19:41.21 | mhall | Aidamina: when you are new the IDEs complicate things |
| 19:41.25 | TomJones | lol, ok *nix |
| 19:41.30 | TomJones | happy? |
| 19:41.36 | paveq | Azar: uhm, in that time I could get it from somewhere else |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | secher: what's the word? |
| 19:41.54 | ilgufo | bye |
| 19:41.57 | Azar | paveq: right, try somewhere else too if you feel like |
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| 19:42.00 | Aidamina | im not new to ide's im used to program in windows and im just trying something different |
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| 19:42.26 | Aidamina | downloading eclipse now |
| 19:42.46 | bucky | if you can set up eclipse then you can use it |
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| 19:43.06 | nkuttler | paveq: does the box have a floppy drive? |
| 19:43.13 | paveq | nkuttler: nope |
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| 19:43.33 | stew | does it have a usb dot-matrix printer and a card reader? |
| 19:43.44 | paveq | nkuttler: is there minimal debian tar which I could wget |
| 19:43.52 | nkuttler | paveq: try debootstrap |
| 19:44.05 | paveq | nkuttler: whats that? |
| 19:44.18 | bucky | it' |
| 19:44.25 | bucky | it's not a gentoo app |
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| 19:44.27 | kspath | stew: heheheh |
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| 19:44.42 | paveq | hmm |
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| 19:44.59 | paveq | there must be something inside of minimal debian ISO image |
| 19:45.05 | kspath | stew: dot-matrix was not exactly same era as card readers |
| 19:45.12 | paveq | but I'm not sure if I can extract that |
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| 19:46.04 | kspath | stew: they did overlap a lot though hmm |
| 19:46.04 | kreg_dcdi | anyone ever done this? or something similar? a dns with a mysql backend |
| 19:46.05 | kreg_dcdi | http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_name_server |
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| 19:46.37 | luck87 | hi * |
| 19:46.38 | kspath | kreg_dcdi: yes, people have done that. Hence you finding that URL. |
| 19:46.59 | kreg_dcdi | kspath, heh |
| 19:47.03 | ilgufo | hi luck87 |
| 19:47.04 | bucky | kreg_dcdi, mydns is in the repos |
| 19:47.14 | kreg_dcdi | what's a repos? |
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| 19:47.20 | GrayThunder | de=ysetup,cw=Z]RaFbR:N*PgK[ |
| 19:47.21 | bucky | repository |
| 19:47.22 | GrayThunder | de=ysetup,cw=Z]=UQ1NA |
| 19:47.29 | GrayThunder | de=ysetup,cw=Z]SpN_Q<LqQ;EZ |
| 19:47.35 | GrayThunder | de=ysetup,cw=Z]Q;;~ |
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| 19:47.49 | bucky | !ops GrayThunder flood |
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| 19:47.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: GrayThunder flood |
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| 19:47.57 | kreg_dcdi | i take it doesn't use bind or whatever |
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| 19:48.07 | stew | kspath: if you didn't catch the reference, /msg dpkg rube goldberg install |
| 19:48.10 | bucky | kreg_dcdi, apt-cache show mydns |
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| 19:48.33 | GrayThunder | sorry about that |
| 19:49.02 | abrotman | wtf is secher? |
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| 19:49.11 | selutha | is there any mirrors for the security.debian.org? it is very slow for me |
| 19:49.19 | azeem | bucky: I don't think we should call the ops for that |
| 19:49.35 | stew | selutha: ftp.de.debian.org unofficially mirrors it |
| 19:49.44 | abrotman | selutha: theree are three round robin mirrors |
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| 19:49.50 | stew | ugh, time to go to the client's office. never a fun day |
| 19:50.03 | saftsack | abrotman, hi |
| 19:50.09 | bucky | azeem, why not? |
| 19:50.09 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:50.14 | saftsack | howto remove the coverpage of my hylafax? |
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| 19:50.24 | kspath | stew: that is hilarious but USB and dot-matrix are no dissonant. |
| 19:50.24 | abrotman | i've never had one .. not sure |
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| 19:50.32 | saftsack | i set the coverpage command to - but it doesnt work |
| 19:50.41 | abrotman | it might be your software? |
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| 19:50.46 | abrotman | i use Pyla |
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| 19:50.52 | paveq | Section C.4, "Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" |
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| 19:50.59 | paveq | this could be the method |
| 19:51.09 | saftsack | just by doing sendfax |
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| 19:51.12 | dondelelcaro | bucky: if the flood is stopped, just gently warn people not to do it anymore. If it continues, the bot should be able to handle it; if not, then call for us. |
| 19:51.13 | Goshawk | http://pastebin.ca/39511 please help, i've a hard problem with my server |
| 19:51.33 | bucky | GrayThunder, what was the problem ? |
| 19:51.40 | Goshawk | it crasches at 06:26 everyday with problem accessing hda |
| 19:51.42 | Hamselv | anyone got the gpg keys for backports ? |
| 19:51.43 | bucky | is your cat operating your computer? |
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| 19:51.51 | Hamselv | where I can get them ? |
| 19:52.02 | auto-jack | what's the best place to put a single-line command that I want to run on boot, in Debian? |
| 19:52.09 | auto-jack | I'm looking for something equivalent to rc.local |
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| 19:52.19 | auto-jack | I know there's something, I just can't remember what it is in Debian |
| 19:52.22 | selutha | abrotman, thanks i will see if i can find the mirrors to see if one has less of a load |
| 19:52.23 | dondelelcaro | auto-jack: depends; if it's just for your user you can use @reboot in your crontab. |
| 19:52.38 | dondelelcaro | auto-jack: otherwise, just write an init.d script, and drop it into the appropriate location. |
| 19:52.39 | auto-jack | dondelelcaro: nah, needs to run as root |
| 19:52.44 | auto-jack | blah |
| 19:52.49 | GrayThunder | bucky: i am trying to learn morse code and had cwirc turned on |
| 19:52.57 | auto-jack | I don't want to create a separate script :) |
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| 19:53.01 | Goshawk | bucky, i've no cats :D |
| 19:53.03 | auto-jack | I literally need to touch a file on boot |
| 19:53.06 | abrotman | GrayThunder: in other news today .. Western Union killed off the Telegraph |
| 19:53.08 | auto-jack | not very complicated |
| 19:53.08 | dondelelcaro | auto-jack: why? |
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| 19:53.57 | GrayThunder | abrotman, need to learn it to get my general ham license. |
| 19:54.04 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:54.10 | dondelelcaro | (plus, it's not likely writing your script is difficult; /etc/init.d/skeleton is there for you to start from) |
| 19:54.21 | saftsack | abrotman, ok i know how. just do a -n to sendfax and the coverpage disappearrs |
| 19:54.22 | saftsack | -r |
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| 19:54.29 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 19:54.47 | AstralSin | what was the apt source for backports again? |
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| 19:54.58 | tiz`Lillkim | greetings! i have a big problem, when i try to boot on the installer i only get a black screen intead of the blue screen with language selection, any idea how to fix please? |
| 19:55.06 | auto-jack | it's just like 900 lines of start/stop nonsense that I don't need |
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| 19:55.14 | auto-jack | to fire off one command |
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| 19:55.37 | r4z | i want to do a "recursive bind" in the fstab but that doesnt work: "/var/any /var/blup/any ext2 bind 0 0" and "/var/test /var/any ext2 bind 0 0" is there a way to get this running? |
| 19:55.40 | nakle | i'm trying to build a kernel that will be good for use as a vmware guest. how do i find out what the hardware is emulated as by vmware for the purpose of building my own kernel? |
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| 19:56.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:56.15 | AstralSin | nmO |
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| 19:57.36 | dondelelcaro | auto-jack: well, you can edit any of the existing scripts you want, but if I were you, I'd just write my own. |
| 19:57.57 | nakle | yeah, but how do i find out what i need to compile into the kernel? |
| 19:58.27 | dondelelcaro | nakle: ask #vmware ? |
| 19:58.39 | nakle | :) thanks |
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| 19:58.51 | tiz`Lillkim | noone can help? |
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| 19:59.36 | starfishy | tiz: i'd say your installer cd is corrupt |
| 19:59.39 | dondelelcaro | tiz`Lillkim: you should first get the isolinux installer screen. |
| 19:59.43 | dondelelcaro | tiz`Lillkim: do you see that first? |
| 20:00.13 | tiz`Lillkim | starfishy it works on other computers, dondelelcaro it turns black just before the language selection |
| 20:00.16 | Goshawk_ | sorry, i fell down |
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| 20:00.36 | dondelelcaro | tiz`Lillkim: try with noacpi for starters |
| 20:00.39 | Goshawk_ | bucky, did you say anything? |
| 20:00.49 | tiz`Lillkim | didnt worked either, i tried that |
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| 20:01.18 | starfishy | maybe the image you are using has a problem with this particular combination of hardware |
| 20:01.20 | dondelelcaro | tiz`Lillkim: well, try some of the other options, or see if you can get a console or anything |
| 20:01.24 | starfishy | try another installer |
| 20:01.30 | dondelelcaro | tiz`Lillkim: otherwise try the etch installer and see if that works. |
| 20:01.45 | tiz`Lillkim | where can i find the options i could try please? |
| 20:02.04 | starfishy | i found that the sarge installer has problems with my hardware, specifically the RAID controller |
| 20:02.04 | dondelelcaro | tiz`Lillkim: F2-F10 has them |
| 20:02.07 | starfishy | the etch installer works |
| 20:02.19 | Goshawk_ | http://pastebin.ca/39511 |
| 20:02.44 | tiz`Lillkim | what do you mean by etch? |
| 20:02.46 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got an issue, when adding a user using nessus-adduser it hangs afterconfirmation.... the user is created but unable to login.... anyone ? |
| 20:02.57 | dondelelcaro | !etch |
| 20:02.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 20:03.25 | deadcat | for some reason, my /dev/cdrom disapears after the ibook's been up for a while.. like 8+ days |
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| 20:03.32 | deadcat | how do i get it back? load the modules? |
| 20:03.36 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: probably |
| 20:04.04 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I don't use udev or modules, so I've never seen that... |
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| 20:04.19 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hmm. nice.. didnt know that. |
| 20:04.25 | Estes2 | Anyone knows a vulnerability scanner like nessus that's free ? |
| 20:04.38 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i tried and didnt work before so i gave up. since i dont use the freakin thing |
| 20:04.42 | jjazz | I want a script to give auditory notification upon completion. What's the simplest lightestweight CLI wav or mp3player? |
| 20:04.44 | ruser | what is the latest kernel in etch? |
| 20:05.10 | tarzeau | selutha: servers? hehe check www.debian.org/users/ ethz |
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| 20:05.24 | tarzeau | selutha: 150 workstations, servers are mix of freebsd, os x, debian and windows |
| 20:05.40 | zeeeee | hi all, i have both python2.3 and 2.4 packages installed. how do i set 2.4 as the default version? (ie when i type 'python' it should use 2.4) |
| 20:05.46 | abrotman | jjazz: ctrl-g |
| 20:06.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the stupid tray keeps ejecting my cd. |
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| 20:06.28 | jjazz | abrotman: I was hoping for something of longer duration... I need attention-getting notification here. |
| 20:06.37 | zeeeee | or for that matter, how do i accomplish this in general? (for any pkg, not just py) |
| 20:06.55 | triple5 | Estes2 what do you mean nessus-adduser, why don't you use just adduser? |
| 20:06.55 | bbrazil | jjazz: mpg321 |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | jjazz: echo -ne "\007" in a loop ? |
| 20:07.06 | dondelelcaro | zeeeee: that's set by the python symlink; however, I really recommend that you don't do that until the actual python package is upgraded. |
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| 20:07.15 | bbrazil | jjazz: I've used it with 'at' as an alarm clock |
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| 20:07.18 | jjazz | bbrazil: That's what I figured. OK. Thanks. |
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| 20:07.35 | zeeeee | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 20:08.07 | Estes2 | triple5, you have to use a nessus user to use nessus if am i right... |
| 20:08.08 | dondelelcaro | zeeeee: if you know you want to use python2.4 in a script that you wrote, just call for it directly. |
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| 20:08.33 | ruser | i just did sarge -> etch. however now i've got a problem udev doens't load cause my kernel is 2.6.8 the same goes for pcmci something. and wierd things like, if i swtich to console form X., i get to see all wierd blury lines. and very slow refresh. like 4-5 seconds per line refresh. |
| 20:08.38 | zeeeee | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 20:08.56 | starfishy | ruser: install the etch kernel and reboot |
| 20:09.18 | ruser | starfishy etch kernel? what package would that be? |
| 20:10.21 | Aidamina | Ok thx lads eclipse was just what i was looking for, great! |
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| 20:10.34 | triple5 | Estes2 then you have to find help at #Nessus ?? |
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| 20:10.39 | starfishy | linux-image-2.6-386 |
| 20:10.48 | ruser | starfishy i already have 2.6.8 |
| 20:10.50 | starfishy | version currently is 2.6.12-10 |
| 20:11.00 | ruser | mmm |
| 20:11.07 | starfishy | 2.6.8 is the sarge kernel |
| 20:11.16 | starfishy | did you do a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:11.23 | starfishy | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:11.31 | petemc | Estes2: everything you need should be set up, you're installing via apt-get, yes? |
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| 20:11.41 | ruser | starfishy yes. that's correct |
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| 20:12.02 | starfishy | the sarge kernel doesnt work with udef |
| 20:12.03 | starfishy | udev |
| 20:12.05 | ruser | starfishy , i mean the aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:12.11 | ruser | starfishy yes, i figured that much |
| 20:12.14 | starfishy | oh |
| 20:12.28 | starfishy | so, if you did a dist-upgrade, why do you still have the sarge kernel? |
| 20:12.35 | starfishy | did you reboot after the upgrade? |
| 20:12.36 | ruser | starfishy don't ask me |
| 20:12.36 | ClayG | anyone know a good lightweight web browser that supports https? |
| 20:12.37 | ruser | yes |
| 20:12.43 | SerajewelKS | starfishy: the kernel is never automatically upgraded |
| 20:12.52 | starfishy | do a dpkg -l linux-kernel |
| 20:13.07 | hipodilski | Hi there I'm running debian sarge I'm running simalative X sessions on few of my consoles using startx -- :1 startx -- :2 the strange thing is when I start for example startx -- :4 it and I have only :0 started the :4 one is started on tty8 how can I workaround that |
| 20:13.07 | starfishy | sera: oh, i didnt know that, its been ages that i did a distro switch |
| 20:13.11 | SerajewelKS | starfishy: unless it's a new debian release of the same upstream kernel |
| 20:13.20 | ruser | starfishy: ûÁÂÌÏÎÕ linux-kernel ÎÅ ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÅÔ ÎÉ ÏÄÉÎ ÐÁËÅÔ. |
| 20:13.26 | ruser | starfishy sorry for the locale :) |
| 20:13.34 | dondelelcaro | LANG=C dpkg -l... |
| 20:13.38 | hipodilski | I need :4 to be on tty10 |
| 20:13.43 | starfishy | ruser: i cant read the version number in that |
| 20:13.53 | starfishy | anyway |
| 20:13.56 | starfishy | do an |
| 20:14.01 | dondelelcaro | ruser: use LANG=C dpkg -l linux-image*; |
| 20:14.03 | starfishy | aptitude install linux-kernel-2.6-386 |
| 20:14.03 | ruser | starfishy what it says: No packages found matching linux-kernel. |
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| 20:14.39 | starfishy | do an aptitude update |
| 20:14.44 | starfishy | oh |
| 20:14.49 | starfishy | wait a sec |
| 20:14.57 | ruser | starfishy if i have laptop Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1133MHz. shall i be installing 386 kern? |
| 20:15.23 | starfishy | its linux-image, not linux-kernel |
| 20:15.37 | starfishy | PIII should run with the 686 |
| 20:15.42 | jjazz | ClayG: elinks |
| 20:15.50 | starfishy | so do |
| 20:16.01 | ruser | starfishy No packages found matching linux-image. |
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| 20:16.09 | jjazz | ClayG: (mouse-capable text browser, but gets the job done usually) |
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| 20:17.11 | ClayG | thank you |
| 20:17.11 | starfishy | aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:17.12 | r4z | if you want to do a "recursive bind" you can use "rbind" instead of "bind" but does nfs support this too? |
| 20:17.12 | ruser | starfishy that's from dpkg -l. |
| 20:17.12 | starfishy | it wont find linux-image by itself |
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| 20:17.13 | ruser | starfishy ok, now one more question. do i have ot use linux-image-2.6-686 or i should be using linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 20:17.14 | starfishy | you need to type linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:17.29 | Microsoft-Linux | Hello all |
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| 20:17.54 | starfishy | is 2.6.15 in etch already? |
| 20:18.18 | ruser | starfishy that's what get if search for linux-image |
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| 20:18.21 | selutha | tarzeau, cool, i have the problem where i am that i have some of the servers as linux but still on exchange 2003 and the desktops still run windows, (office 2003, and a few other apps that i cant replace ) been trying to find a replacement to exchange and office but have not found any |
| 20:18.31 | starfishy | according to my etch packages list the current etch kernel is 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 20:18.43 | starfishy | are you sure you are not trying to run sid? |
| 20:18.54 | starfishy | 2.6.15-1 is the kernel i get for sid |
| 20:18.58 | ruser | starfishy hold on |
| 20:19.02 | ruser | !etch |
| 20:19.02 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 20:19.31 | starfishy | Version: 2.6.12-10 |
| 20:19.38 | hipodilski | ok got it |
| 20:19.42 | starfishy | thats the version of the etch kernel from the current etch package list |
| 20:19.50 | ruser | oh fuck. i think i might have went to sid.. instaed |
| 20:19.51 | d0uglas | is eAccelerator (the php caching thing) debian-friendly? |
| 20:20.14 | starfishy | that would explain a few things |
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| 20:20.14 | chealer | d0uglas: not if you consider the licensing issues |
| 20:20.32 | ruser | starfishy yeah.. unstable... duh :(((((( |
| 20:20.32 | d0uglas | ... yeah i realize that |
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| 20:20.50 | d0uglas | is there any free ware that does the same? enhance php performance? |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | i'm looking |
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| 20:21.40 | starfishy | ruser: in unstable the kernel is indeed 2.6.15-1 but you need to know that running unstable you are pretty much on your own |
| 20:22.02 | ruser | starfishy riight. but then agian you can't downgrade without reinstalling the system :( |
| 20:22.11 | starfishy | unfortunately not |
| 20:22.14 | Silent_al | hello :) how can i solve > mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device , when i try to mount my DoK ? ( can a lazy unmount cause this problem?) |
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| 20:22.40 | ruser | starfishy now. the question what should i do now :( |
| 20:22.45 | starfishy | i am running unstable and it works for me, at least most of the time, but i would not recommend it for anyone without a lot of admin experience |
| 20:22.48 | starfishy | hard to tell |
| 20:23.21 | ruser | starfishy when we you are saying admin experience what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 20:23.25 | starfishy | you could try to stay with unstable but most of the people here won't be able and/or willing to help or you could install etch from scratch |
| 20:23.28 | ruser | and what's the mailing list fo rsid? |
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| 20:23.32 | orchid | Silent_al: DoK is what? |
| 20:23.46 | pitillo | Silent_al, try this, may be can help you http://lokalix.dyndns.org/index_en?get=manuales/en/manual_cam_dig |
| 20:23.52 | starfishy | i mean you should know what to do if your kernel doesnt run with udev, for instance |
| 20:23.54 | abrotman | Microsucks: but you were just here! |
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| 20:24.38 | lookatthis | these absolutely have to go today. 2 alienware area51-m 5700 laptops $550 each includes shipping, case, wireless router and 1 alienware area51 7500 desktop $700 includes monitor, keyboard, mouse,. speakers. message me if you wnat to buy any of these items at mcsltd@telusmail.net, aim at ogd443 or yahoo at mcsltd2 thanks and have a good day. |
| 20:24.41 | starfishy | sid occasionally has mild to massive dependency issues and other kinds of bugs that require the admin to know how to either fix them or work around them |
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| 20:24.49 | tarzeau | selutha: i see |
| 20:24.52 | ronin | so who wants to call the ops on teh spammer bot? |
| 20:24.58 | tdn | I need help on locale or something like that. I need support for danish characters (ÆØÅæøå). |
| 20:24.58 | Silent_al | orchid, disk on key |
| 20:24.58 | tarzeau | selutha: well unless your users love you, you are in abig problem |
| 20:25.20 | tarzeau | selutha: can you make your users love you? because then you can give them anything and take away exchange and office |
| 20:25.25 | beardy | lookatthis: Stop fucking spamming. |
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| 20:25.31 | tarzeau | selutha: all your users are beautiful sexy nymphs? |
| 20:25.40 | ronin | beardy: wont work, its a bot or a owned box |
| 20:25.41 | ruser | starfishy i dont' have the opportunity to backup user file in order to do a clean install :/ |
| 20:25.41 | Silent_al | pitillo, thanx i'll try |
| 20:25.46 | orchid | Silent_al: does it show up in lsusb? |
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| 20:25.57 | starfishy | ruser: this is a production system? |
| 20:26.27 | abrotman | ronin: he comes every fucking day |
| 20:26.29 | Silent_al | orchid, yup > Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0fce:d034 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB |
| 20:26.29 | starfishy | and what do you mean by 'don't have the opportunity'? |
| 20:26.30 | ruser | starfishy that's my laptop. and the only computer i owe, except sparcstation. i have accumulated a lot of stuff over span of few years |
| 20:26.38 | starfishy | ah |
| 20:26.39 | ronin | abrotman: he hits efnet too |
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| 20:26.59 | starfishy | what i would do if i was you: go to the nearest electronics store and buy a USB drive |
| 20:27.00 | mikygee | hello |
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| 20:27.06 | abrotman | oh .. he wasn't even 200.* |
| 20:27.07 | starfishy | backup all the data on that |
| 20:27.25 | mikygee | I'd like to know if it's possible to use the ethernet port as a serial port |
| 20:27.26 | ruser | starfishy haha. therein lies another problem i custom compile dkernel and forgot ot put vfat in it :) |
| 20:27.34 | starfishy | if needed (if your system doesnt work ok with the upgraded kernel) find a live cd to use for the backup |
| 20:27.36 | ruser | starfishy or rather i had no need for it at the moment |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | oh .. hehe .. i just realized why it's so quiet .. i put him on ignore :) |
| 20:27.54 | ruser | yeah, i suppose the last option should do |
| 20:27.55 | starfishy | thats why i recommend installing the 2.6.15 kernel you find in the package list |
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| 20:28.00 | starfishy | that has a vfat driver |
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| 20:28.06 | starfishy | or use a live cd |
| 20:28.16 | starfishy | backup everything to an external drive, you should do that anyway |
| 20:28.24 | ruser | starfishy so 2.6.15 it is? |
| 20:28.26 | starfishy | wouldnt want you to lose all your stuff |
| 20:28.31 | starfishy | for sid: yes |
| 20:28.37 | starfishy | 2.6.15-1 |
| 20:28.54 | ruser | starfishy linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 20:29.00 | starfishy | yes |
| 20:29.16 | ruser | starfishy i think i'll go to work, there we have mandriva boxes with 200Gb hdd each.. i suppose my 30 gig will fit :) |
| 20:29.34 | starfishy | another piece of advice for a new install: make a separate partition for user data |
| 20:29.36 | ruser | sucks that i don't have 1000Mbit card tho. |
| 20:29.45 | ricochet | question - thunderbird on debian, when I click a link in an email it opens konq, I want it to open firefox. I set sensible-browser to no avail. using KDE. this should really be easier |
| 20:29.48 | starfishy | btw, why not format the external drive or a partition thereof as ext3? |
| 20:29.49 | ivanneto | How can I set up two servers (e.g two SSH servers on port 22) using two IPs in the _same_ machine? I have two ethernet cards. |
| 20:30.00 | starfishy | then you wouldnt have to have vfat in the kernel |
| 20:30.03 | abrotman | IP aliasing |
| 20:30.14 | tarzeau | ivanneto: make one listen on the right ip |
| 20:30.19 | tarzeau | and the other on the other |
| 20:30.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: he's got two nics |
| 20:30.25 | ivanneto | abrotman: I tried that, but It didn't work! |
| 20:30.31 | zerodni | ricochet, you have to set the defalt browser in thunderbird |
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| 20:30.44 | ruser | starfishy yes. that's what i was thinking ( separate /home) i've made quite a few mistakes since i started using debian. so few things are in wierd places and other tiny problems :) |
| 20:30.45 | tarzeau | ivanneto: how did you configure sshd? you need to tell one to use antoher config file... |
| 20:30.47 | abrotman | ivanneto: works for everyone else! :) |
| 20:31.04 | tarzeau | ivanneto: both openssh or also gnu sshd? |
| 20:31.07 | starfishy | ruser: so a clean install is a good idea anyway |
| 20:31.11 | ivanneto | tarzeau: I made this, but if I try to connect using the IP of the second card I still can connect to the server. |
| 20:31.12 | abrotman | ivanneto: wait .. two ssh servers .. or any two servers? |
| 20:31.16 | starfishy | but what do you need gigabit ethernet for? |
| 20:31.22 | tarzeau | ivanneto: then you did something wrong |
| 20:31.22 | starfishy | just use a USB drive |
| 20:31.34 | tarzeau | ivanneto: why do you want to do that? and why not run them both on different ports? |
| 20:31.38 | ricochet | zerodni, I assumed so, but looking under Preferences, I dont see such a setting. |
| 20:32.04 | ivanneto | abrotman: any two servers... In fact I'm trying to run two JBoss instances, but I think that the application doesn't matter much, does it? |
| 20:32.10 | ruser | starfishy agreed. except i don't really feel like hunting for files all over the place :) dont' have $$ to buy ethernet. i'm cheap student. and we have gigbit at work but my lappy only 100megabit |
| 20:32.14 | zerodni | ricochet, ah let me look where i found it and i will get back to you |
| 20:32.24 | starfishy | oh |
| 20:32.33 | starfishy | anyway, backup is a very good idea |
| 20:32.47 | abrotman | ivanneto: well .. it could ... you'll have to muck with initscripts at the very least |
| 20:32.59 | starfishy | and for further reference: a backup is an even better idea before a distro upgrade ;) |
| 20:33.06 | ivanneto | tarzeau: JBoss uses dozens of ports, and I don't want to change all of them on the second server. |
| 20:33.07 | ruser | starfishy i thikn i'm gonna dd this machine. and back it up to few DVDs. so i don't have to deal with problems. |
| 20:33.12 | ruser | starfishy agreed |
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| 20:33.30 | ruser | starfishy but it all comes down to $$. i don't have them to buy stuff :/ |
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| 20:33.44 | starfishy | backing up to dvds is not a bad idea either |
| 20:33.51 | starfishy | i wouldnt use dd though |
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| 20:33.54 | starfishy | use cpio |
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| 20:34.17 | dr1v3r | anyone here tell me if debian has problems recognising SATA drives or if it need specific drivers installing for them? |
| 20:34.23 | starfishy | that saves space and the files are available without actually extracting the whole thing |
| 20:34.35 | starfishy | or rather writing back the whole thing |
| 20:34.55 | Azar | wow o/t anyone read Kushnick's book "The $200 Billion Broadband Scandal" ? |
| 20:35.00 | ivanneto | tarzeau, abrotman: But there's something special I have to do? Because I already set up the two IPs, and It's working. But I still just can't run two servers on the same port and difference IPS. |
| 20:35.17 | abrotman | ivanneto: with ssh or in general ? |
| 20:35.27 | ivanneto | abrotman: In general! |
| 20:35.38 | abrotman | ivanneto: well . that certainly application specific |
| 20:35.38 | starfishy | azar: no. whats the scandal about? |
| 20:35.39 | ruser | starfishy appreciate your help |
| 20:35.45 | starfishy | ruser: yw |
| 20:36.03 | Azar | starfishy: http://muniwireless.com/community/1023 |
| 20:36.05 | abrotman | ivanneto: for example .. man sshd_config specifies ListenAddress |
| 20:36.28 | ivanneto | abrotman: OK, thanks. I'll take a look at the application then! |
| 20:36.30 | abrotman | ivanneto: however .. you'd need to create a second set of conf files .. and a special init script |
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| 20:37.36 | zerodni | ricochet, hey when you click on a icon going to a website what browser does it open |
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| 20:37.50 | Azar | starfishy providers charging for fiberoptics upgrades that never happened |
| 20:37.55 | ricochet | zerodni: konqueror |
| 20:37.55 | starfishy | yeag |
| 20:37.59 | starfishy | yeah |
| 20:38.08 | starfishy | i read about that a while ago, though not in that much detail |
| 20:38.10 | zerodni | change that and it should change thunderbird |
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| 20:38.11 | ma3x | hey |
| 20:38.19 | ma3x | in my laptop, in what place exactly is the hard disk? |
| 20:38.25 | starfishy | but as the corporate fat cats are never responsible for anything i think we are SOL |
| 20:38.26 | ma3x | in the front? |
| 20:38.31 | Azar | starfishy: verizon and mabells soon will be the next enron |
| 20:38.39 | ruser | is that a mistake? /etc/.conf? An error occurred while running the boot loader in test mode. A log is available in /var/log/lilo_log.2712. Please edit /etc/.conf manually and re-run , or |
| 20:38.42 | zerodni | lust right click and then open with then click firefox and remember and you should be good to go i think |
| 20:38.46 | ma3x | helloo |
| 20:39.02 | thingfish | ma3x: it varies by manufacturer. |
| 20:39.15 | Azar | ma3x: what do you think? we are not your laptop manufacturer here |
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| 20:39.23 | ma3x | come on |
| 20:39.29 | ma3x | all laptops should have a common place for the hd |
| 20:39.31 | thingfish | ma3x: normally there is a little door to it, so you can remove it. |
| 20:39.35 | Azar | hahaha |
| 20:39.46 | ma3x | no , I mean |
| 20:39.52 | ma3x | on one place it says RAM |
| 20:39.55 | thingfish | "should" describes a state of non-being. |
| 20:40.07 | thingfish | "should" is irrelevant. |
| 20:40.09 | ma3x | dont start your philosophy now |
| 20:40.19 | starfishy | azar: thats what i fear |
| 20:40.22 | ma3x | and on the other place, it's covered with a plastic (like on the TV remote controller) |
| 20:40.22 | thingfish | life is philosophy. |
| 20:40.28 | Azar | ma3x: here is the place where you discuss the Debian operating system so fuck off |
| 20:40.29 | ma3x | black almost transparent plastic |
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| 20:40.31 | bucky | ma3x, post a picture of your laptop |
| 20:40.32 | ma3x | is that it? |
| 20:40.47 | bucky | in paste |
| 20:40.51 | ma3x | it's HP |
| 20:41.03 | bucky | or #flood |
| 20:41.04 | starfishy | i think the managers of these companies should be held personally responsible for a fiasco like this |
| 20:41.06 | zerodni | another way is to change the user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http" in thunderbirds prefs.js to point to firefox |
| 20:41.07 | Azar | ma3x: listen to bucky he takes good care of our customers |
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| 20:41.19 | korozion | what do I need to install to have the java command? |
| 20:41.20 | thingfish | ma3x: can't you pull up your model on HP's website and find out that way? |
| 20:41.28 | ma3x | lemme see |
| 20:41.31 | korozion | I don't want and GUI stuff, just the cli |
| 20:41.39 | ma3x | I thought all laptops are built on the same princip |
| 20:41.51 | petemc | ma3x: well, they're not |
| 20:42.01 | thingfish | !tell korozion about java-package |
| 20:42.09 | bucky | Azar that's what Aidamina said even though he's not my 'customer' |
| 20:42.27 | korozion | ahh, thanks |
| 20:42.30 | Azar | bucky, I have to admit, what's yours is yours and nobody can steal it |
| 20:42.37 | korozion | and if I'm just running java stuff, I just need a JRE? |
| 20:42.48 | ma3x | I told you |
| 20:42.49 | bucky | Azar, do we have customers in here/ |
| 20:42.51 | starfishy | korozion: yes |
| 20:42.51 | ma3x | tyhe HD is in the front! |
| 20:42.55 | korozion | cool, thanks! |
| 20:42.58 | ma3x | it should apply to most of the laptops! |
| 20:43.04 | starfishy | what's a customer? |
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| 20:43.12 | Azar | bucky: that is what ma3x seems to think, why dissapoint him? |
| 20:43.14 | starfishy | oh, i forgot the BOFH tags |
| 20:43.24 | starfishy | <BOFH>what's a customer?</BOFH> |
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| 20:44.01 | bucky | !seen mwilson |
| 20:44.01 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 106d 23h 37m 38s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 20:44.17 | Azar | bucky: see only looking at you ma3x found his HD location |
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| 20:45.33 | RobinhoPeixoto | Why mozilla is the default. Why not the Firefox. Sorry my bad english |
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| 20:46.08 | dondelelcaro | RobinhoPeixoto: there is no default. |
| 20:46.30 | dondelelcaro | RobinhoPeixoto: if you want firefox, install mozilla-firefox. If you want mozilla, install mozilla. If you want elinks, install elinks. |
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| 20:47.24 | RobinhoPeixoto | dondelelcaro:but all programs like yelp, evolution was compileded with mozilla |
| 20:47.34 | dondelelcaro | RobinhoPeixoto: because they have to be. |
| 20:48.02 | tombs | did someone had problems with gnome's icons recently? |
| 20:48.09 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, they had to be at that moment in time; libnss I think has finally been split out) |
| 20:48.21 | thingfish | my icons are lovely. |
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| 20:48.30 | _unstable_ | thingfish: What window manager? |
| 20:48.38 | thingfish | nuoveXT1.6. |
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| 20:48.48 | _unstable_ | !start a window manager war |
| 20:48.48 | RobinhoPeixoto | dondelelcaro: Why. When I used the Gentoo I am compiled all programs with firefox |
| 20:48.48 | dpkg | X makes me vomit! |
| 20:48.49 | thingfish | gnome/metacity |
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| 20:49.01 | dondelelcaro | !depends evolution |
| 20:49.04 | _rene__ | dondelelcaro: and as KITAME refuses to split gecko out... not that anything of that was proper SONAMed so I can quite understand taht, but... |
| 20:49.04 | RobinhoPeixoto | dondelelcaro: The Ubuntu compile with firefox |
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| 20:49.18 | dondelelcaro | _rene__: the bug to do that has been open for years. |
| 20:49.26 | _rene__ | RobinhoPeixoto: and? so they do. as the mozilla people recommend against that. |
| 20:49.26 | dondelelcaro | hell, I opened one of them |
| 20:49.31 | _rene__ | dondelelcaro: yes, as said. |
| 20:49.42 | _rene__ | RobinhoPeixoto: and they don't for many either |
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| 20:49.47 | Hamselv | hello all |
| 20:49.52 | _rene__ | RobinhoPeixoto: like eclipse, OOo, ... |
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| 20:49.58 | selutha | tarzeau, well the users accept what i say basically but i really need the calander and some of the other options that exchange provided, when i looked a openexhcange it didnt have those features, and no most are ulugly professors |
| 20:50.04 | tombs | I mean, all my icons are gone |
| 20:50.13 | dondelelcaro | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103291 |
| 20:50.16 | _rene__ | RobinhoPeixoto: if Ubuntu does something wrong that doesn't mean Debian has to do, too |
| 20:50.18 | Hamselv | how can I fix this GTK+ error ? |
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| 20:50.20 | Hamselv | (evolution-2.4:15633): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. |
| 20:50.29 | dondelelcaro | !+depends evolution |
| 20:50.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:50.34 | thingfish | tombs: let me guess - you're using either etch or sid, and recently updated. |
| 20:50.42 | Hamselv | its on all programs that uses GTK+ |
| 20:50.58 | vimp | Is there a shortcut in Firefox to do google search? like google:mykeyword or something ? |
| 20:51.02 | dondelelcaro | Hamselv: you shouldn't be running evolution as root... |
| 20:51.05 | dpkg | evolution: depends on gtkhtml3.8 (>= 3.8.0), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libcamel1.2-6 (>= 1.4.2.1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcompfaceg1, libdb4.2, libebook1.2-5 (>= 1.4.2.1), libecal1.2-3 (>= 1.4.2.1), libedataserver1.2-4 (>= 1.4.2.1), libedataserverui1.2-6 (>= 1.4.2.1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 ... |
| 20:51.06 | dondelelcaro | vimp: you can make one |
| 20:51.09 | tombs | thingfish: I happy to hear that! :) yes...etch |
| 20:51.16 | Hamselv | dondelelcaro: Im not |
| 20:51.17 | thingfish | vimp: look in the upper right corner. |
| 20:51.24 | Hamselv | Im running at my own user |
| 20:51.25 | vimp | thingfish: I disabled that |
| 20:51.28 | nisc | if I set the main volume control to 0%, the gnome applet shows the muted icon, but volume 0% is not the same as muted. I can still hear stuff if the pcm volume is != 0. Anyone else suffering from this bug? |
| 20:51.51 | thingfish | no comment. |
| 20:52.00 | tombs | thingfish, was after a dist-upgrade |
| 20:52.04 | ruser | okay, gotta reboot |
| 20:52.12 | jharrisonwk | why does umount -f never work |
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| 20:52.28 | loxley | jharrisonwk: make sure you are not in the path |
| 20:52.33 | jharrisonwk | I want the cd umounted now! I dont care if im in the path |
| 20:52.41 | jharrisonwk | I want it umounted now! |
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| 20:52.45 | dondelelcaro | RobinhoPeixoto: in any case, it doesn't depend on mozilla anymore; worst case it recommends mozilla-pvm |
| 20:52.51 | selutha | is there away to have apt-get pull one pacakge from an unstable branch? |
| 20:53.13 | jharrisonwk | loxley: im not in the path |
| 20:53.16 | thingfish | tombs: gosh, I don't know what it could be...my sarge is in fine shape. You should check bugs.debian.org. |
| 20:53.32 | dpkg | evolution: depends on gtkhtml3.8 (>= 3.8.0), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libcamel1.2-6 (>= 1.4.2.1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcompfaceg1, libdb4.2, libebook1.2-5 (>= 1.4.2.1), libecal1.2-3 (>= 1.4.2.1), libedataserver1.2-4 (>= 1.4.2.1), libedataserverui1.2-6 (>= 1.4.2.1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 ... |
| 20:53.36 | tombs | thingfish, I will....thanx |
| 20:53.36 | vin` | vimp: g foo |
| 20:53.41 | selutha | or search the unstable branch for one package? |
| 20:54.37 | vimp | vin`: close to what I was looking for, but it seems to take me to "i feel lucky"; I want the actual search results |
| 20:54.47 | r4z | i mounted a "nfs export" on a client pc, the directory is "/var/test". the problem is that i can't see the content of "/var/test/dir", which has been mounted like that: "/var/anything /var/test/dir none bind 0 0" (in the fstab) |
| 20:54.53 | [Cadet] | selutha: try /msg dpkg apt-pinning |
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| 20:55.17 | vin` | vimp: takes me to the search results here. |
| 20:55.17 | selutha | Cadet, cool thanks |
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| 20:55.55 | Hamselv | dondelelcaro: but Im thinking has something to do with permissions somewhere |
| 20:56.10 | Hamselv | just cant pinpoint it exactly |
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| 20:57.00 | ruser | starfishy so installed new kernel. except now my sound is missing, any idea why? |
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| 20:58.47 | Nwallins | hello, i am refactoring (heh) a bash script. i have something like `case $foo in; bar|BAR ) echo 'hello world';; esac` I reuse the bar|BAR pattern later, so can I store this pattern in a variable so that this 'case' and the later 'case' can test against the variable rather than the explicit pattern? |
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| 20:59.11 | asg | Nwallins: have you consulted #bash yet? |
| 20:59.21 | tdn | The situation is as follows: First a little about my system: I have a freshly installed Debian stable system. I run services OpenSSH, samba and pure-ftpd. The problems I have observed: When I login via ssh and create a file/dir called ÆØÅæøå the file can be listed with ls and it works perfectly. If I then do a "sudo su -" to root or another user, then I can't even write these chars (æøåÆØÅ) in the terminal. If I do an ls to see the file call |
| 20:59.23 | Nwallins | asg: no, didn't realize it existed. checking... thanks |
| 20:59.25 | Hamselv | but have anyone had this error ? |
| 20:59.39 | Hamselv | (process:15743): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. |
| 20:59.41 | tdn | (sorry for the long msg, but I couldn't describe the problem short) |
| 20:59.42 | Hamselv | ? |
| 20:59.51 | asg | Nwallins: also, the bash FAQ can be found at wooledge.org (which answers most questions) |
| 21:00.06 | asg | s/bash/#bash/ |
| 21:00.08 | johnflux | Hey all |
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| 21:00.16 | beardy | tdn: The user and root (the system default) has different locales. |
| 21:00.19 | johnflux | I have some debian packages to be uploaded |
| 21:00.22 | johnflux | can someone upload them for me |
| 21:00.25 | Nwallins | asg: thanks.. the 'advanced bash-scripting guide' at tldp.org isn't so advanced ;) |
| 21:00.26 | johnflux | I'm a konversation developer |
| 21:00.47 | beardy | Nwallins: Have you read it? |
| 21:00.59 | chealer | johnflux: you'll want to find a sponsor. this is not the place for that |
| 21:01.16 | johnflux | chealer: the maintainer made them |
| 21:01.17 | Nwallins | beardy: not in its entirety, but I can't find my answer either |
| 21:01.56 | beardy | Nwallins: Look harder then. Just because you haven't found it, is no reason to say that about it.. |
| 21:02.01 | chealer | johnflux: which maintainer? |
| 21:02.07 | johnflux | "Nathaniel W. Turner" |
| 21:02.15 | johnflux | the maintainer for the debian packages |
| 21:02.19 | johnflux | for konversation |
| 21:02.22 | tdn | beardy, hmm... No. If I login over ssh as root the files are NOT listed as ??????. It is only if I "sudo su -" to root or another user. Also that would not explain why it does not work for Samba, does it? |
| 21:02.24 | r4z | if you want to do a "recursive bind" you can use "rbind" instead of "bind" but does nfs support this too? |
| 21:02.34 | Nwallins | beardy: sorry for offending you ;) there was a better one that I have used before.. can't find it |
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| 21:03.13 | beardy | Nwallins: Not me in particular, but all the people that have contributed to it. |
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| 21:03.37 | beardy | Nwallins: Let me know what "the better one" is called and located. |
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| 21:04.10 | beardy | tdn: sudo su? Why would you do that? |
| 21:04.21 | Nwallins | beardy: i could have sworn it, too, had the word 'advanced' in the title, but the chapter organization was different, more than 5 topmost headings |
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| 21:04.44 | tdn | beardy, when I want to become another user and I do not know the password of the other user. |
| 21:05.49 | chealer | johnflux: he made packages, but he didn'T upload them? |
| 21:05.50 | beardy | tdn: Ah. Anyway, from where/with what client are you ssh:ing? |
| 21:06.09 | JPX | If I have a Deb file in my /home dir and I type apt-get install "file", what do I do when it says, "cannot find package"??? |
| 21:06.10 | johnflux | chealer: he said he was busy. i think he thought I was a debian maintainer as well maybe |
| 21:06.22 | johnflux | JPX: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 21:06.24 | mike-m | JPX: dpkg -i file |
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| 21:06.38 | JPX | ohhhhhh, ok. ty ;) |
| 21:06.44 | XmadeX | while compilling with gcc "windows.h: No such file or directory" |
| 21:06.48 | XmadeX | what should i do? |
| 21:06.49 | johnflux | JPX: apt-get can be annoying stupid |
| 21:06.52 | Hamselv | had to do chmod -s /usr/bin/* |
| 21:06.55 | Hamselv | bingo |
| 21:06.58 | Hamselv | ttyl |
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| 21:07.15 | tdn | beardy, from my Windows-laptop on the LAN. Client is PuTTY. |
| 21:07.27 | XmadeX | while compilling with gcc "windows.h: No such file or directory" |
| 21:07.28 | beardy | tdn: Samba has it's own charset options. In it's configuration file. |
| 21:07.32 | dewd | hello, does anyone got a 3com 3c2000-T running under debian/kernel 2.6? |
| 21:07.40 | JPX | johnflux: i have dreams in my sleep where i am typing apt-get install, lololol |
| 21:07.49 | chealer | johnflux: for how long is he busy? |
| 21:08.16 | johnflux | chealer: I just emailed him and told him I can't do it. probably be okay |
| 21:08.19 | tdn | beardy, yeah I know, and I have set these to "client code page = 850", "character set = ISO8859-15", and "valid chars = æ:Æ ø:Ø å:Å" in smb.conf. As far as I know, this should be correct. |
| 21:08.21 | JPX | mike-m: thx 2 |
| 21:08.44 | Azar | wow wooow 3 years with Debian and never knew dpkg powers |
| 21:09.01 | beardy | tdn: puTTY also has options for selecting which charset it should interpret the things displayed. |
| 21:09.04 | j0k3r | XmadeX: you should start porting this src to linux |
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| 21:09.27 | XmadeX | j0k3r, ? |
| 21:09.29 | beardy | tdn: Ok. |
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| 21:09.31 | Azar | gotta try the gui aptitude too |
| 21:09.49 | j0k3r | XmadeX: this message tells you that windows.h is not in your /usr/include tree |
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| 21:10.04 | XmadeX | yes, what packages do i have to download? |
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| 21:10.08 | j0k3r | XmadeX: this is because you are running linux... |
| 21:10.10 | _rene_ | XmadeX: none |
| 21:10.13 | j0k3r | XmadeX: there is no package |
| 21:10.16 | _rene_ | XmadeX: windows.h is windows. |
| 21:10.19 | XmadeX | there's no way to compile it then? |
| 21:10.26 | _rene_ | XmadeX: this source is simply unportable in widoze-specific |
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| 21:10.39 | _rene_ | XmadeX: you can port/fix it and then compile it. |
| 21:10.42 | zapalotta | hello |
| 21:10.46 | beardy | tdn: Are you sure the charset name shouldn't be "ISO-8859-15" instead of "ISO8859-15"? I'm not sure if that matters.. |
| 21:10.47 | _rene_ | XmadeX: otherwise, no |
| 21:10.53 | tdn | beardy, this is set to default and PuTTY should not be the problem here, after all I use PuTTY on several other machines that works well (same PuTTY configuration). |
| 21:10.58 | XmadeX | _rene_, i haven't skills to rewrite it |
| 21:11.23 | zapalotta | I just wanted to upgrade my kernel-image on Sarge, but depmod tells me depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/block/paride/dstr.ko for many (all?) modules. anybody an idea? |
| 21:11.34 | j0k3r | XmadeX: what program are you trying to compile ? |
| 21:11.52 | Azar | wow minesweeper in aptitude! :) |
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| 21:11.58 | nfluvial | Hi. Quick question: where in the system, and mor eimportantly, on what package are the datafiles for the keyboard descriptions in X? after a bad fsck seems like some of that was lost and now it fails loading that, the kde keyboard configuration shows an error |
| 21:12.11 | nfluvial | *importantly |
| 21:12.20 | dewd | hey, i've a 3com 3c2000 here. it does not show up while doing a "lspci". i installed the recommended drivers and loaded them as a module. any clues? |
| 21:12.35 | tdn | beardy, I'm pretty sure.... But not 100%. Where can I check it? |
| 21:12.45 | Azar | dewd: what is a 3com? |
| 21:12.56 | nfluvial | the kde dialog box seems to use the command "setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout es -variant basic", and it says "Error loading new keyboard description" |
| 21:13.18 | r4z | i mounted a "nfs export" on a client pc, the directory is "/var/test". the problem is that i can't see the content of "/var/test/dir", which has been mounted like that: "/var/anything /var/test/dir none bind 0 0" (in the fstab) |
| 21:14.07 | Azar | dewd: you installed the recommended drivers... how? |
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| 21:14.33 | dewd | Azar: compiled the module and modprobe'd it |
| 21:14.36 | pawdro | from what repository can i download eclise for etch? |
| 21:14.36 | dewd | works all fine |
| 21:14.55 | Azar | dewd are you using Sarge stable with a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 21:15.00 | dewd | still gettint that "ERROR while gettint interface flags..:" error |
| 21:15.08 | dewd | Azar: exactly |
| 21:15.23 | Azar | dewd: what is the name of the module? |
| 21:15.57 | dewd | Azar: sk98lin |
| 21:16.14 | Azar | dewd: did you used modconf to install/load the module? |
| 21:16.42 | dewd | Azar: nope. but its loaded all correctly |
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| 21:16.58 | Kurtism | how can I move my sarge box up to a sid or etch box? |
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| 21:17.29 | Azar | dewd: I have no idea how you magickally installed and loaded that module |
| 21:17.38 | Kurtism | magically |
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| 21:17.57 | Kurtism | automagically |
| 21:17.59 | Azar | dewd: I suggest you run modconf , find your module there and select it / load it that is how it is usually done |
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| 21:18.29 | Azar | dewd: it is loaded correctly but it does not work -- isn't that a hirony? |
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| 21:18.57 | Azar | its like: I know better what I do is the stupid machine does not understand me |
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| 21:19.24 | Azar | Kurtism: thanks, right magically |
| 21:19.47 | dewd | Azar: well the README of the driver says to make&&make install&&modprobe sk98lin, nothing else |
| 21:19.59 | Azar | tools have been created for people to use, not jump at the first rock and try to use it instead |
| 21:20.03 | Kurtism | so is there a way of automagically updating my sarge to a sid or even etch? |
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| 21:20.18 | Kurtism | I wonder when sid will be considered official and stable |
| 21:20.20 | Azar | dewd: excuse my expression: fuck the drivers README |
| 21:20.29 | SimonRaven | Kurtism: never |
| 21:20.36 | Kurtism | never? |
| 21:20.38 | Kurtism | why? |
| 21:20.40 | r_marvin | Kurtism: get the order of them right, then ask again :) |
| 21:21.05 | Kurtism | I thought it went Woody -> sarge -> sid -> etch |
| 21:21.14 | SimonRaven | Kurtism: it's not for casual use. stick with sarge for now. if you have to ask these questions, the trouble that sid can give you is going to be too much |
| 21:21.18 | SimonRaven | no |
| 21:21.20 | dewd | Azar: ok did it like you suggested. still it does not showup through 'lspci' |
| 21:21.20 | Azar | dewd: with time you will learn that especially drivers are some of the most buggy pieces of crap you could find |
| 21:21.33 | Kurtism | which order is correct? |
| 21:21.34 | beardy | tdn: Check what, the puTTY configuration, or something else? |
| 21:21.40 | Matt-H | Kurtism: etch is testing |
| 21:21.40 | Azar | dewd: try rebooting and watch it loading |
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| 21:21.51 | beardy | !releases |
| 21:21.52 | dpkg | hmm... releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 21:21.58 | r_marvin | Kurtism: sid is always unstable |
| 21:21.58 | dewd | ok |
| 21:22.00 | Kurtism | so its Woody -> sarge -> etch -> sid |
| 21:22.06 | r_marvin | testing is the next stable |
| 21:22.19 | SimonRaven | woody was previous release. sarge is current; etch is currently testing, sid is for devs or debuggers, or adventurous people who know what they're doing |
| 21:22.20 | r_marvin | now etch=testing , sarge=stable |
| 21:22.49 | mhall | !tell me about open ports |
| 21:23.03 | Kurtism | so sid never ever becomes anything else |
| 21:23.06 | SimonRaven | Kurtism: i'm trying to save you much potential pain |
| 21:23.07 | Kurtism | interesting |
| 21:23.08 | beardy | tdn: It probably also matters which locale you use, are you using ISO-8859-15 as the locale on the system? |
| 21:23.12 | chealer | !tell mhall about selftell |
| 21:23.20 | SimonRaven | jjazz: there is. www.debian.org |
| 21:23.21 | tdn | beardy, check that if it is ISO885.. or ISO-885... |
| 21:23.31 | Azar | Kurtism: if you want to go up to using etch you could first start at editing your /etc/apt/sources.list file by pointing the sources to your desired version: / stable / testing or / unstable |
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| 21:23.40 | jjazz | :P |
| 21:23.49 | foo | I run X on this box. I notice it going a tad slow ... if I restarted X, would it help any? Or is Windows sneaking my brain? |
| 21:23.53 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.54 | Kurtism | ah I see |
| 21:24.14 | Kurtism | I wonder what name will be used after etch |
| 21:24.22 | Azar | Kurtism: after editing sources.list you can then use aptitude: aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:24.26 | tdn | beardy, this paste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7866 shows my smb.conf and the output from locale in the shell in the different situations. It also shows the output from ls. |
| 21:24.27 | Kurtism | ja |
| 21:24.43 | mhall | tdn: UBUNTU? |
| 21:24.47 | r_marvin | we'll worry about it when etch gets released :) |
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| 21:25.02 | Kurtism | I wonder when that will be |
| 21:25.06 | mhall | Kurtism: we've yet to establish that etch will even be released |
| 21:25.10 | tdn | mhall, no. As I said earlier, I am running Debian stable. |
| 21:25.11 | Kurtism | really |
| 21:25.25 | mhall | tdn: just checking ;-) |
| 21:25.26 | jjazz | Kurtism: I heard a rumor that the names under consideration are "Ubuntu" and "Knoppix" |
| 21:25.27 | tdn | mhall, I just needed a pastebin. |
| 21:25.27 | Kurtism | you figure etch could be scrapped completely? |
| 21:25.57 | mhall | Azar: no, GPL says that you can use that version or newer |
| 21:26.06 | mhall | Azar: so if new one is sux, then use old version |
| 21:26.26 | Azar | mhall: thats a relief |
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| 21:26.45 | argh | hi |
| 21:26.46 | mhall | Azar: they had to do it to account for odd happenings, like if through some machination M$ took over FSF |
| 21:27.04 | argh | i have a laptop that i connected another normal monitor to thru a kvm |
| 21:27.12 | argh | but in X i need to scroll inorder to see the whole screen |
| 21:27.14 | argh | on the big monitor |
| 21:27.19 | argh | on the normal monitor it works fine |
| 21:27.20 | argh | any idea? |
| 21:27.35 | jjazz | !tell argh about return |
| 21:27.51 | argh | jjazz ? |
| 21:27.52 | zapalotta | what does this tell me: |
| 21:27.53 | zapalotta | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 21:27.55 | zapalotta | ? |
| 21:28.03 | Azar | mhall with the next-gen hardware requirements for vista, I wonder how this will impact Debian GNU development |
| 21:28.09 | zapalotta | lsmod, depmod etc. tell me this |
| 21:28.11 | SimonRaven | !qm_modules |
| 21:28.11 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
| 21:28.14 | mhall | Azar: you mean trusted computing? |
| 21:28.20 | Azar | mhall: yes |
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| 21:28.44 | r_marvin | any debian-friendly way to install kqemu ? |
| 21:28.51 | zapalotta | SimonRaven: already tried to reinstall modutils and module-init-tools |
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| 21:28.57 | argh | jjazz what do you mean |
| 21:29.02 | zapalotta | and I'm using sarge w/ 2.6.9 |
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| 21:29.16 | zapalotta | updating to 2.6.15 also fails because of depmod.... |
| 21:29.20 | SimonRaven | zapalotta: did you have m-i-t installed when you built your kernel? |
| 21:29.23 | jjazz | argh: Just that it's easier to read what you write if you don't spread it over so many lines. |
| 21:29.25 | mhall | Azar: there is a driver for it in linux 2.6 |
| 21:29.27 | Azar | sarge only goes up to 2.6.8 zapalotta |
| 21:29.28 | AstralSin | anyone had problems compiling a custom kernel with sarge? i did it the other day with no problem, but now im getting this error install: cannot stat `debian/buildinfo': No such file or directory |
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| 21:29.32 | SimonRaven | you need a newer binutils too |
| 21:29.39 | mhall | Azar: as for shutting out linux, i think it's a guarantee |
| 21:29.41 | zapalotta | SimonRaven: I'm using a kernel-image from debian |
| 21:29.46 | SimonRaven | zapalotta: backports.org for that stuff |
| 21:29.50 | mhall | Azar: the choice you have is to stop using media |
| 21:29.57 | mhall | Azar: people will eventually tire of DRM |
| 21:29.59 | zapalotta | Azar: oh? apt-cache tells me about 2.6.15-686 |
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| 21:30.09 | SimonRaven | that's not sarge |
| 21:30.12 | Azar | mhall: I do not worry about the drivers, workarounds will exist but will deny the freedom we still enjoy today |
| 21:30.13 | abrotman | secher: ? |
| 21:30.14 | beardy | tdn: "Ã?Ã?Ã?æøå" That looks like your characters, (dansish åäö?) displayed using UTF8.. |
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| 21:30.17 | zapalotta | ok, it's backports |
| 21:30.23 | toxidator | hellow |
| 21:30.27 | zapalotta | though it doesn#t change anything with my depmod/lsmod |
| 21:30.28 | toxidator | i have a problem |
| 21:30.29 | mhall | Azar: well it was never specifically ours |
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| 21:30.40 | Azar | mhall: agree on that myself not a fan of media on PC |
| 21:30.54 | shevek | I'm trying to do a cross install, and I need to run dpkg over nfs for it. However, it complains that it can't lock the database. I suppose this is because of nfs. Is there a way around that? I am sure no-one else uses it, so just not trying to lock would be fine. |
| 21:30.54 | toxidator | i am looking for working cd iso's with witch i can instal debian |
| 21:30.57 | mhall | beardy: how about äëïöü ? |
| 21:30.59 | argh | jjazz I have an ibm laptop, I connected another monitor to it (thru a kvm). now when I run X I see it normally on the laptop monitor, but on the big monitor I need to scroll with my mouse to see the whole screen |
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| 21:31.09 | Azar | zapalotta: then you are not running Sarge, sarge will only show you 2.6.8 as highest in apt-cache search |
| 21:31.22 | toxidator | plz answer me |
| 21:31.31 | AstralSin | toxidator: debian.org |
| 21:31.32 | toxidator | i'm haveing serieus problems |
| 21:31.37 | toxidator | yes i looked |
| 21:31.37 | beardy | mhall: In his paste, not here. |
| 21:31.39 | mhall | beardy: or ¥ or £ |
| 21:31.40 | toxidator | but cant find it |
| 21:31.49 | tyranix | Anyone using tetex 3.0 on testing? |
| 21:31.51 | SimonRaven | toxidator: don't demand. www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 21:31.51 | AstralSin | they're there |
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| 21:32.08 | toxidator | yes but i can nog find the right one |
| 21:32.08 | mhall | Azar: yeah anything newer than DVDs will be DRM encoded worthless shit |
| 21:32.11 | jjazz | argh: At a guess I'd say you should change your resolution? |
| 21:32.12 | GSF_nothing | need help installing samba :) |
| 21:32.13 | toxidator | witch iso should i dl? |
| 21:32.20 | mhall | Azar: i'm real disappointed about HDTV |
| 21:32.22 | GSF_nothing | anyone got time for a private convo? |
| 21:32.25 | toxidator | there are so menny |
| 21:32.29 | mhall | Azar: the government is fucking us all on that one |
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| 21:32.34 | SimonRaven | toxidator: the one you need |
| 21:32.37 | Luka666 | ellow |
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| 21:32.42 | SimonRaven | GSF_nothing: no. #samba |
| 21:32.43 | toxidator | but i dont know wich one i need |
| 21:32.54 | toxidator | they are ale binary id ont need that |
| 21:33.17 | toxidator | and i dont need upade eighter |
| 21:33.18 | GSF_nothing | simon - I'm looking for info on installation, not config |
| 21:33.18 | Azar | mhall: I wasn't really expecting all those promisses be fullfilled: HDTV is still a sham, as for DVD on a PC sounds way too ridiculous for me. |
| 21:33.24 | argh | jjazz tried that, but what does it have to do with resolution? |
| 21:33.37 | GSF_nothing | no, I'm just a complete linux n00b |
| 21:33.38 | beardy | mhall: Depends on your keyboard/locale £ is not hard at all for me.. |
| 21:33.41 | mhall | Azar: not so bad when you have a 20" panel |
| 21:33.45 | Luka666 | i got problem with apache2, php and phpsysinfo. no matter what i do, apache cant seem to run php aplications. what should i do? |
| 21:33.48 | mhall | beardy: en.US_UTF8 |
| 21:33.50 | jjazz | GSF_nothing: apt-get install samba |
| 21:33.51 | tdn | beardy, yeah. It does. But why? Why would it use UTF-8? |
| 21:34.04 | SimonRaven | GSF_nothing: apt-get install samba. there, installed |
| 21:34.09 | toxidator | anyone can show me EXACTLEY wich iso of teh debian distro i have to dl so i can instal it on my laptop? |
| 21:34.12 | Matt-H | toxidator: most people use the netinst cd to do an install |
| 21:34.19 | toxidator | ah |
| 21:34.23 | toxidator | an where can i find that one |
| 21:34.32 | toxidator | i realy dont uderstand those ftp servers |
| 21:34.34 | Matt-H | toxidator: but if you read the pages relating to download on debian.org, it actually tells you which do what and where they are |
| 21:34.39 | mhall | it's leet o'clock |
| 21:34.41 | SimonRaven | same place |
| 21:34.45 | jjazz | argh: Well, if you tried it and it didn't work, then I guess it has nothing to do with resolution. I've never used a kvm, so I don't know. |
| 21:34.49 | Azar | mhall: I like to watch media the old fashion way: lay in a couch and watch it on a 30" using a dedicated DVD player, I sit on a chair at a desk front of a PC 10 hours / day I hate doing same thing at home just for watching a movie |
| 21:35.02 | jjazz | Azar: get a projector |
| 21:35.03 | toxidator | yes but if i want to read that i am here for 6 days |
| 21:35.03 | AstralSin | anyone had problems compiling a custom kernel with sarge? i did it the other day with no problem, but now im getting this error install: cannot stat `debian/buildinfo': No such file or directory |
| 21:35.11 | beardy | tdn: Your situation is quite complex, with the local machine, puTTY and Samba all involved, and all their locale settings, and different users aswell.. :) |
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| 21:35.15 | SimonRaven | mhall: you're 3 hours too late :P |
| 21:35.17 | toxidator | i am dislectic, meaning i cant read verry fast |
| 21:35.21 | Azar | jjazz: I am intending to get one for my bedroom indeed |
| 21:35.26 | Luka666 | i got problem with apache2, php and phpsysinfo. no matter what i do, apache cant seem to run php aplications. what should i do? |
| 21:35.31 | GSF_nothing | SimonRaven: say for example I already downloaded the .tar.gz |
| 21:35.33 | toxidator | so plz tell me witch one i need |
| 21:35.36 | GSF_nothing | how would I install from that? |
| 21:35.39 | Matt-H | toxidator: if it's for i358, ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ and get the netinst iso |
| 21:35.48 | Matt-H | 286* |
| 21:35.50 | toxidator | k tnx |
| 21:35.50 | Matt-H | bah |
| 21:35.52 | Matt-H | can't type |
| 21:35.55 | beardy | :) |
| 21:35.56 | Matt-H | 386 even... |
| 21:36.04 | SimonRaven | !wayc GSF_nothing |
| 21:36.04 | dpkg | GSF_nothing: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 21:36.09 | jjazz | Azar: I borrow one from the office sometimes. It's really sweet to have a few friends over, make some popcorn and watch the huge screen. You do lose a little quality (brightness and contrast), though. |
| 21:36.36 | mhall | SimonRaven: haha |
| 21:36.42 | GSF_nothing | because I wanted to learn how to do it. I kinda jumped in the deep end here :) |
| 21:36.48 | mhall | Azar: well i don't sit there to watch it |
| 21:36.48 | tdn | beardy, well... If the Windows/PuTTY makes it difficult, I could just ssh from another Linux-box. One moment. |
| 21:36.53 | SimonRaven | start small |
| 21:37.02 | mhall | Azar: it's at the foot of my bed so usually i'll be on it kissing a chick or something |
| 21:37.05 | mhall | Azar: hehe |
| 21:37.18 | nima | i just got home, whats up, everyone? |
| 21:37.26 | Azar | jjazz: projectors are cool portable, image size configuration, do not require special furniture, etc, but still to expensive |
| 21:37.30 | SimonRaven | the sky |
| 21:37.31 | beardy | tdn: Do that, to check how it behaves then. |
| 21:37.42 | GSF_nothing | SimonRaven: I'm either crazy, suicidal or a genius, take your pick. But I plan on learning how to compile like this. |
| 21:37.48 | toxidator | tnx m8 |
| 21:37.51 | toxidator | by |
| 21:37.53 | GSF_nothing | nb: probably not the genius one. |
| 21:38.28 | jjazz | Azar: For $800, you get a lot. For approx. $400, you can build your own, but you get less functionality, lose the portability and might suffer some quality. I agree it's not an ideal solution, but I $700 to $800 is where I start to think I might go for it. |
| 21:39.02 | jjazz | Azar: I can imagine the sweet ceiling-mounted goodness now. |
| 21:39.08 | Azar | :) mhall and all: I do not know why but I think that media on PC is still a non-sense, unless you use it for archiving backups of special files. All rest look like a over painted whore. |
| 21:39.09 | tdn | beardy, working on it. |
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| 21:40.18 | jjazz | Azar: I have all my music on my pc in my office. It's piped to a stereo in the next living room. I control it from a laptop (which amazes my friends). When I run the projector, the audio goes to my stereo too. I love the media PC thing. |
| 21:40.19 | bcc | hi guys, is there a way to make lsof show the mode (read-only or read-write) of each opened file? |
| 21:40.33 | beardy | GSF_nothing: Try "curious" instead. Which is good, but then you should read the Compile-Kernel-HOWTO (that's not the real name, but I don't remember it exactly) If you are going to compile a kernel the Debian way, /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:40.42 | SimonRaven | GSF_nothing: well, frankly, i'd suggest something smaller, and install the debian samba |
| 21:40.57 | GSF_nothing | heh ok |
| 21:41.14 | beardy | Oh, not the kernel? Sorry then. |
| 21:41.19 | SimonRaven | better start small and learn as you go, than feel like you're over your head |
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| 21:41.54 | SimonRaven | gtg soon. see you |
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| 21:42.34 | Azar | my box essentials: office for writing documents and creating spreadsheet calculations, imagemagick and gimp, irc, browser, xmms player, 10 games. all on openbox only. I am considering having the essentials I need therefore I am happy |
| 21:43.18 | jjazz | Azar: luxury is when you have more than the essentials. :) |
| 21:43.28 | jharrisonwk | my box essentials: Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 21:43.50 | klync | i'm trying to install an apache module from a 3rd party.... can i just drop it in /usr/lib/... and use apache-modconf? the instructions i've got say to use apxs, but i suspect that doesn't apply to debian |
| 21:43.50 | Azar | jjazz, at my work, I have a small radio/cd/mp3 which I use without the need of a PC. Runs on regular power as well as on batteries just in case of power outage. |
| 21:44.34 | jjazz | Azar: At work, I have access to my entire music collection via ssh. Laptop has batteries in case of power outage. |
| 21:45.14 | quiet | ssh....internet.... through power outtage? |
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| 21:45.50 | gary | guys, how do I stop the system bell from beeping? |
| 21:45.52 | tdn | beardy, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7867 <- This is done from Linux to Linux. |
| 21:45.55 | Azar | jjazz the perverting of the PC into a mediajukebox is a microsoftian concept that most big companies are pushing for; reason: the PC is intended (for them) to become the biggets milking machine |
| 21:45.58 | gary | Don't I have to rmmod something? |
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| 21:46.06 | jjazz | quiet: songs live on my box after I pull them, so I only have to get them once. |
| 21:46.16 | quiet | ah... i guess that's true |
| 21:46.16 | quiet | :) |
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| 21:46.29 | chealer | !tell gary about bell |
| 21:46.29 | GSF_nothing | #samba is somewhat dead. |
| 21:46.31 | quiet | i was thinking you were just tunnelling |
| 21:46.38 | jjazz | Azar: I'm not sure what you mean by milking machine. |
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| 21:46.42 | GSF_nothing | that's depressing |
| 21:46.57 | gary | thanks chealer |
| 21:47.10 | omry | hi, is there a command line tool that allow users to set extended file properties (user_xattr) ? |
| 21:47.23 | abrotman | !punish secher for disappearing |
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| 21:47.27 | Azar | jjazz: milking machine: a device through wich, the vendors are trying to persuade the user of it to open the wallets and buy their products. |
| 21:47.40 | resiak | omry: There must be. Look at how beagle does it, maybe? |
| 21:47.58 | omry | resiak, I guess it does it directly via the API |
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| 21:48.07 | resiak | omry: Could you _write_ the tool? |
| 21:48.08 | rpt | so how do I decrypt something encrypted with cryptsetup? |
| 21:48.09 | resiak | ;) |
| 21:48.11 | dewd | Azar: still it does not show up in dmesg ;( |
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| 21:48.35 | Azar | jjazz: they have invaded through technology our lives: the telephone, the radio, the TV now the PC all are ment to become a tool for marketing |
| 21:48.38 | omry | resiak, yeah, sure. the question is, will I? :) |
| 21:48.44 | beardy | tdn: And you're not running Ubuntu? |
| 21:48.45 | jjazz | Azar: people pay for convenience. Or they use P2P or bit torrent. But everybody has the choice over how to consume their media. |
| 21:48.55 | jjazz | Azar: And if you run free software, you don't really get the marketing. |
| 21:48.57 | Azar | dewd you say your connection is still not working? |
| 21:49.13 | _unstable_ | I have irssi open in screen right now...it's the only instance of irssi I have open....but irssi is in virtual terminal 2, how can I move irssi to my virtual terminal 7(fluxbox/xterm)? |
| 21:49.17 | gnat_x | is there a way to check the integrity of a debian install cd from inside debian (ie without rebooting my machine to and running the check) |
| 21:49.24 | omry | resiak, you got beagle installed? the reason I want such a tool is to check if the extended attr are enabled properly. |
| 21:49.40 | selutha | is there a repository that i can get php5-pear-log? all i see is php4-pear-log |
| 21:49.48 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 21:49.49 | Azar | dewd: when running lspci you should see a line like this: Ethernet controller: blablabla what it say? |
| 21:49.52 | abrotman | use at your own risk |
| 21:50.06 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: what? |
| 21:50.15 | beardy | _unstable_: You can't, AFAIK, but detach the screen and reattach it in your xterm instead, if that is what you mean. |
| 21:50.16 | tdn | beardy, that is correct. My sources.list is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7868. Is it really that bothering that I am using the Ubuntu pastebin? I'll Google for another one... |
| 21:50.30 | Azar | jjazz: not yet: thanks to Debian rules they cannot get their hands on our machines... yet |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: for bakcports.org |
| 21:50.39 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ah |
| 21:50.41 | selutha | thanks abrotman i just need that one package :/ |
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| 21:50.49 | dewd | Azar: nothing shows up. no Ethernet line or similar |
| 21:50.52 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yeah people ought to make their own packages |
| 21:50.54 | omry | resiak, aha : attr - Utilities for manipulating filesystem extended attributes |
| 21:50.56 | beardy | tdn: Well, it just makes one wondering. |
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| 21:51.03 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: and compile their own kernels |
| 21:51.17 | Azar | dewd: that is strange, your case is unique: Debian without Ethernet capability ? |
| 21:51.21 | jjazz | Azar: I don't see that changing. The day the price of convenience is giving them that access, I'll opt for less convenience. |
| 21:51.21 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: or just use apt-get |
| 21:51.37 | resiak | omry: Handyhandy! |
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| 21:51.41 | tdn | beardy, ok. I just like that one... It is faster and more stable than pastebin.com and it got nice features such as upload screenshot :) |
| 21:51.42 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: which is why i suggested backports.org ? |
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| 21:51.57 | _unstable_ | beardy: I just want irssi in fluxbox/xterm...it's in terminal 2 now..how can I get it there(first time using screen_ |
| 21:52.06 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:52.12 | Thanatermesis | Bad glib version: GLib version too old (micro mismatch) |
| 21:52.17 | Azar | dewd: to be honest if your lspci does not show an Ethernet controller line, myself I have no idea why and can't advice you in any way |
| 21:52.21 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I am just being silly |
| 21:52.27 | Thanatermesis | what is this message ? i need to upgrade a "libglib" pacakge ? |
| 21:52.41 | jharrisonwk | dewd: what kind of ethernet controller is it? |
| 21:52.51 | abrotman | Azar: update-pciids |
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| 21:53.09 | dewd | jharrisonwk: it's a 3COM 3c2000-T |
| 21:53.17 | abrotman | dewd: update-pciids |
| 21:53.17 | Azar | abrotman thanks.. dewd follow abrotman's ^^^^ |
| 21:53.23 | jharrisonwk | dewd: built into the motherboard or a card? |
| 21:53.27 | abrotman | of course .. you need internet for that :) |
| 21:53.53 | beardy | _unstable_: As I said, detach it and reattach it where you want. "Ctrl-a d" to detach it, switch to X and the xterm, run 'screen -r' to reattach it there. 'man screen', and "Ctrl-a ?" for help when running screen. |
| 21:54.15 | Thanatermesis | any idea ? looks very weird |
| 21:54.45 | dewd | jharrisonwk: not build in, a single pci card |
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| 21:55.02 | dewd | abrotman: update-pciids? |
| 21:55.08 | _unstable_ | thanks beardy, awesome I appreciate the help. |
| 21:55.08 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 21:55.08 | dpkg | i heard pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 21:56.06 | beardy | _unstable_: You're welcome. |
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| 21:56.34 | jharrisonwk | such a good cluster |
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| 21:56.47 | Thanatermesis | Bad glib version: GLib version too old (micro mismatch) |
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| 21:57.27 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone know what line to add to grub to allow resume ? |
| 21:57.54 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: dont I know you? |
| 21:58.05 | LinuxNIT-laptop | kinda |
| 21:58.13 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: you know cybodog right? |
| 21:58.17 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yep |
| 21:58.20 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 21:58.26 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: how is he? |
| 21:58.30 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: from OK right? |
| 21:58.33 | LinuxNIT-laptop | pretty good |
| 21:58.34 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yeah |
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| 21:58.40 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: cool |
| 21:58.41 | LinuxNIT-laptop | working foor dell now |
| 21:58.45 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: who? |
| 21:58.46 | LinuxNIT-laptop | he is |
| 21:58.48 | jharrisonwk | ah |
| 21:58.58 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: I havent seen him in a while |
| 21:59.06 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: his family is well? |
| 21:59.11 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yep |
| 21:59.19 | LinuxNIT-laptop | afaik |
| 21:59.21 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 21:59.25 | dewd | abrotman: did.. still no change. |
| 21:59.26 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: you are well? |
| 21:59.36 | abrotman | still no change in what? |
| 21:59.49 | LinuxNIT-laptop | im doin good all things considered (im at school :< ) |
| 21:59.51 | dabreegster | Hey, I've typed a document in vim and now I'm having problems formatting it. I've told vim to insert a linebreak at the end of each 80-column line. Now this is messing me up. I need each paragraph to be one line without any breaks. The 'fold' command doesn't seem to work, nor can I figure out how to fix it in vim |
| 21:59.55 | dewd | abrotman: it does not show up in /proc or through lspci |
| 22:00.14 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: good |
| 22:00.19 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: what do you mean resume? |
| 22:00.23 | klync | ok... turns out you can... just cloned a .info file and added the .so |
| 22:00.31 | LinuxNIT-laptop | resume from hibernatino |
| 22:00.32 | abrotman | dewd: paste lspci somewhere |
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| 22:00.33 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:00.33 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 22:00.43 | klync | later all! #debian rules! |
| 22:00.55 | abrotman | dabreegster: sed maybe ? |
| 22:01.00 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: ah I dont know how to do that |
| 22:01.10 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT-laptop: I will look online and see if I can find anything |
| 22:01.19 | mhall | lol one of my profs insists on using fedora and he drives me nuts with questions |
| 22:01.23 | mhall | i wish he'd use ubuntu |
| 22:01.26 | dabreegster | abrotman: Maybe if I just switched all newlines out that could work. |
| 22:01.31 | dabreegster | abrotman: I'll try it, thanks |
| 22:01.42 | mhall | fedora still uses sendmail by default! BLECCH! |
| 22:01.45 | _unstable_ | What is a good vnc that I can use on linux and windows? |
| 22:01.45 | beardy | tdn: I'm not sure I can help you more than to say that you have to figure out what different locales/charsets are used at the different places, and where you need to make the change.. What was the main problem again, where was it most important that it is displayed correctly first? |
| 22:01.46 | abrotman | dabreegster: well .. except you won't be able to find the end of a paragraph .. but ok |
| 22:02.03 | dewd | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1725 ethpro is a build in one |
| 22:02.08 | abrotman | mhall: at least it doesn't use qmail ? |
| 22:02.09 | dabreegster | abrotman: I can have two newlines after each paragraph |
| 22:02.18 | dewd | the 3com one does not show up |
| 22:02.19 | mhall | beardy: sounds like a fun time to try 'mail iconv' and 'man recode' ;-) |
| 22:02.33 | abrotman | dewd: are you sure the card even works? |
| 22:02.36 | abrotman | dewd: is it ISA ? |
| 22:02.48 | dewd | abrotman: na, it's pci |
| 22:02.48 | abrotman | dewd: is it in a white slot .. or a black slot ? |
| 22:02.50 | dewd | and its a gbit one |
| 22:02.50 | mhall | beardy: *man* hehe |
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| 22:03.11 | dewd | black slot. man i'm not stupid, i installed lots of other nics before |
| 22:03.13 | abrotman | dewd: really .. could you double check? :) |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | dewd: black slot is ISA |
| 22:03.20 | raden | I have a companies name and address is there anyway to find out there owner ? |
| 22:03.24 | dewd | YES it is! |
| 22:03.34 | abrotman | yeah .. lspci won't show ISA cards |
| 22:03.37 | dewd | it is PCI believe me |
| 22:03.44 | abrotman | black is ISA .. white is PCI |
| 22:03.53 | abrotman | unless it's a packard bell :) |
| 22:04.02 | tdn | beardy, actually I think there is more than one problem. One of the problems, I think, is related to su or sudo. For some reason the locales changes when doing sudo or su -. When doing su - it souldn't be a different locale than when I ssh to the box with the same user that I su to. |
| 22:04.07 | dewd | white slot, for sure! |
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| 22:04.13 | dewd | did i say black one? white one is correct |
| 22:04.20 | dewd | white pci slot |
| 22:04.33 | abrotman | dewd: the only other thing i can think of is that the slot is disabled .. or there is an IRQ conflict somehow |
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| 22:04.38 | beardy | mhall: heh, yeah.. or start in one end and try to syncronize which locale that he wants to use.. It's always troublesome to get different things which has their own locale/charset options to cooperate nicely.. |
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| 22:04.49 | dewd | abrotman: where can i see irq conflicts? |
| 22:05.01 | abrotman | dmesg .. maybe the bios |
| 22:05.09 | abrotman | maybe /proc/interrupts |
| 22:05.11 | thingfish | dewd: 3Com card? |
| 22:05.20 | eeyore- | how's skype for linux? |
| 22:05.27 | eeyore- | i'm kind of leery of software without source ... |
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| 22:05.37 | dewd | thingfish: yes |
| 22:05.46 | thingfish | hah! it's bad. |
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| 22:05.51 | abrotman | eeyore-: gizmo! |
| 22:05.51 | beardy | tdn: Is that important though, why do you have to switch user, if you don't know their password? |
| 22:05.58 | NitinShantharam | hey, i installed proftpd and remvoed it previously and now when i install proftpd it wont install the initscript into /etc/init.d/ .... any reason why? |
| 22:06.05 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 22:06.06 | dewd | thingfish: tell me more? |
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| 22:06.17 | abrotman | !missconf |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:06.21 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 22:06.33 | beardy | tdn: I thought the displaying of the files in Samba were more important to you, oh well.. |
| 22:06.45 | thingfish | dewd: I don't really know that. My statement comes because 3Com cards used to go bad on me right and left, before I stopped buying them. |
| 22:06.45 | dabreegster | Right now I'm trying: cat report1 | tr '\n' ' '. That removes all newlines. How can I make it leave lines with just a newline on it alone? |
| 22:06.48 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 22:06.50 | dpkg | que tal, abrotman |
| 22:07.03 | dewd | wtf... |
| 22:07.07 | dewd | this sucks |
| 22:07.08 | sifi-xyz | how can I repair a sata disk? |
| 22:07.08 | tdn | beardy, samba is more important. I just wanted to say, that I think that I have located _one_ of the problems. |
| 22:07.21 | abrotman | dabreegster: egrep "^\n" ? |
| 22:07.27 | NitinShantharam | dpkg, what if im installing via apt |
| 22:07.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: gizmo? |
| 22:07.36 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 22:07.38 | abrotman | erm |
| 22:07.39 | beardy | tdn: Yeah. |
| 22:07.43 | dpkg | i guess gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 22:07.47 | eeyore- | sifi-xyz: "repair"? |
| 22:07.49 | dabreegster | abrotman: Oh right |
| 22:07.58 | tdn | beardy, but I don't know much about Samba. |
| 22:07.59 | AciD | is that open-source ? |
| 22:08.10 | sifi-xyz | eeyore-, well the I have some bad sectors |
| 22:08.11 | eeyore- | sifi-xyz: as in, clean room, open the cover, replace the controller board, suck data off the platters? |
| 22:08.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: maybe some day .. they'll even release the source |
| 22:08.17 | beardy | tdn: But why do you have to switch to users that you don't have the password for? |
| 22:08.21 | abrotman | AciD: "not yet" apparently |
| 22:08.27 | dabreegster | abrotman: How does that work with tr? I don't think it supports that type of regexp |
| 22:08.31 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B273.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:08.34 | beardy | tdn: So you can login as that user directly instead? |
| 22:08.35 | sifi-xyz | eeyore-, so the drive works pretty slow |
| 22:08.42 | eeyore- | sifi-xyz: you don't repair them. you hope you have backup, or, if you didn't have backup, you hope you can suck data off using dd_rescue or similar tools, or, you pay big bucks for recovery firms |
| 22:08.47 | AciD | then you should consider wengo, it's os |
| 22:08.47 | _unstable_ | What is a free as in freedom vnc server/client that will run on windows/linux? |
| 22:08.49 | abrotman | dabreegster: egrep -v "^\n" ? |
| 22:08.55 | abrotman | wait .. that won't work |
| 22:09.06 | dabreegster | abrotman: egrep doesn't switch it out |
| 22:09.18 | tdn | beardy, for maintenance. |
| 22:09.23 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 22:09.29 | beardy | tdn: Like what? |
| 22:09.39 | sifi-xyz | eeyore-, how can I use a tool similar to defrag in windows with other words (I hate to menition the windows) |
| 22:09.43 | abrotman | _unstable_: apt-cache search vnc |
| 22:09.51 | tdn | beardy, if I need to become root but does not allow root to login via ssh. |
| 22:09.54 | dabreegster | abrotman: It should be replacing newlines with spaces only when there's text before the newline. The obvious isn't working. |
| 22:09.58 | beardy | tdn: The user can "maintenance" themselves.. or should learn. |
| 22:10.31 | abrotman | dabreegster: ah .. you should be able to use some form of regex to say ^<somechars>\n$ |
| 22:10.32 | beardy | tdn: Yes, of course su to root, but you were using it to switch to normal users, of which you didn't know the password, werenät you? |
| 22:10.36 | tdn | beardy, yes. Of course :) I don't want to snoop around in the regular users's home dirs ;) |
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| 22:10.49 | nefertum | do you know any app in order to rip de audio from a dvd? |
| 22:10.52 | sifi-xyz | which tool works like windows defrag in linux? |
| 22:11.01 | tdn | beardy, yes. That was just for checking if it was a root-only problem. |
| 22:11.11 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: you don't need it |
| 22:11.13 | tarzeau | !defrag |
| 22:11.13 | dpkg | [defrag] the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 22:11.14 | starfishy | sifi: there is no defrag for extX FS |
| 22:11.18 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: not needed. |
| 22:11.22 | tdn | beardy, normally I only use "sudo su -" when I need to become root. |
| 22:11.25 | tarzeau | starfishy: there is |
| 22:11.42 | starfishy | tarzeau: technically yes, but its better for the user to believe there isnt |
| 22:11.45 | sifi-xyz | tarzeau, thingfish but my SATA drive refuse to boot sometimes and sometimes it's just very slow |
| 22:11.47 | Azar | :D |
| 22:11.55 | tarzeau | starfishy: but still there is one, and the user should not be lied to |
| 22:11.59 | sifi-xyz | tarzeau, thingfish so how do I fix the damage on the drive |
| 22:11.59 | starfishy | ok |
| 22:12.03 | dabreegster | abrotman: I'll try it |
| 22:12.08 | NitinShantharam | hey, im trying to force proftpd-mysql to install but it wont ... i tried with the --force-all option and it still doesnt work. Unpacking proftpd-mysql (from proftpd-mysql_1.2.10-15sarge1.0.1_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:12.08 | NitinShantharam | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
| 22:12.08 | NitinShantharam | dpkg: error processing proftpd-mysql_1.2.10-15sarge1.0.1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 22:12.08 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: then it's not a problem of fragmentation |
| 22:12.11 | starfishy | sifi: fsck |
| 22:12.17 | abrotman | dabreegster: ask #bash if you need help with the regexp |
| 22:12.18 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: use fsck |
| 22:12.24 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: man fsck |
| 22:12.28 | dabreegster | abrotman: Alright, thanks |
| 22:12.49 | abrotman | secher: ? |
| 22:12.49 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: the hard drive is not making odd sounds, is it? |
| 22:12.58 | sifi-xyz | thingfish, yes it is |
| 22:13.01 | tarzeau | thingfish: yes it's making CLACK CLACK |
| 22:13.07 | sifi-xyz | yes yes |
| 22:13.07 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: aack. |
| 22:13.08 | Azar | :D |
| 22:13.16 | sifi-xyz | thingfish, ? |
| 22:13.19 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: what does it read "IBM" ? |
| 22:13.28 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: then you know what to do. Backup data immediately and replace the drive. |
| 22:13.35 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:13.47 | sifi-xyz | thingfish, fuck, so there is no way to fix it? |
| 22:13.52 | abrotman | secher: wtf are you? |
| 22:13.53 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: hahaha |
| 22:14.00 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: is this the first day on a computer? |
| 22:14.03 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: a bad hard drive is only going to get worse. and quickly. |
| 22:14.16 | starfishy | backup NOW! |
| 22:14.20 | tarzeau | starfishy: too late |
| 22:14.21 | sifi-xyz | tarzeau, do you have fun or something, fuck off |
| 22:14.24 | chealer | hey tarzeau, I've got a prerelease snapshot of GNOME 2.14! want to get your hands on it? |
| 22:14.24 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 22:14.27 | starfishy | most probably |
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| 22:14.30 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: yes i have fun |
| 22:14.46 | tarzeau | chealer: GNOME? i eat them for breakfast in nethack |
| 22:14.51 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT: hey |
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| 22:14.56 | jharrisonwk | LinuxNIT: I dont see anything |
| 22:15.03 | starfishy | gnome is an ugly little critter |
| 22:15.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau! |
| 22:15.05 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: there is a way to fix it |
| 22:15.07 | beardy | tdn: I see. But well, the important thing is that the files display correctly as your user, and the other users that need it. Root uses the system default locale, which was POSIX, and therefore it will not display those characters. Atleast it may confuse things, if you login as a user that can see the chars, and then su, it easily becomes a mess.. :) |
| 22:15.07 | sifi-xyz | thingfish, yes, youre right, it's just long time ago this happend for me |
| 22:15.13 | tarzeau | sifi-xyz: but i don't thing you'll pay for that |
| 22:15.13 | chealer | tarzeau: ah, I knew you liked them |
| 22:15.16 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: send me some swiss chocolate |
| 22:15.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and you send me caribbean grilled fish? |
| 22:15.33 | sifi-xyz | tarzeau, cool it =) |
| 22:15.33 | thingfish | sifi-xyz: replace the drive. |
| 22:15.38 | sifi-xyz | thingfish, yes |
| 22:15.41 | chealer | tarzeau: so, I'm sending you the RPM? BTW, it's all free! |
| 22:15.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sure but I dont know if it will keep |
| 22:15.49 | tarzeau | chealer: hahaha :) |
| 22:16.02 | tarzeau | chealer: you'll fix my X too? |
| 22:16.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I had some fish poisoning a few months ago |
| 22:16.07 | thingfish | caribbean grilled fish...sounds good, if it's got a sauce to go with it. |
| 22:16.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: it was horrible |
| 22:16.09 | Azar | xnethack is dissapointing.. |
| 22:16.16 | tarzeau | Azar: absolutely! |
| 22:16.21 | chealer | tarzeau: well, if GNOME 2.14 doesn't do it, I'll try |
| 22:16.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I cant eat fish for 6 months now |
| 22:16.23 | beardy | tdn: So I still advice you to start in one end, and make it work where it's most important first. |
| 22:16.26 | tarzeau | Azar: but Nethack.app is nice :) |
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| 22:16.32 | thingfish | eww, that happened to me in mexico once. spent the night in a hospital in acapulco. |
| 22:16.36 | NitinShantharam | guys dpkg wont install new configs even if i say force-all ... anyone know whats wrong? |
| 22:16.44 | Azar | tarzeau: I do not have that, openbox only here |
| 22:16.56 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: otherwise you're fine, what chocolate would you like exactly, need a catalog of them first? |
| 22:17.05 | thingfish | godiva, of course! |
| 22:17.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you know what you can send me... you know it |
| 22:17.06 | beardy | !force-all |
| 22:17.06 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't fucking use it. |
| 22:17.21 | tdn | beardy, but it is still a mystery why files created over samba shows up in the console as something that looks like UTF-8. And if I browse files called ÆØÅæøå over a samba share on the server, the files shows up as "_______". |
| 22:17.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what? LSD? |
| 22:17.30 | tarzeau | Azar: it only existed for on NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP :) not even for os x... |
| 22:17.32 | Azar | thingfish: last godiva I had kept me on the throne all night |
| 22:17.40 | NitinShantharam | beardy, fine, force-confmiss doesnt work either |
| 22:17.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no i can get that myself now ;) |
| 22:17.56 | thingfish | tsk Azar your system is obviously not refined enough to accept such delicacies. |
| 22:18.11 | beardy | tdn: Well, the names are entered on the windows box, and that has yet another charset.. |
| 22:18.27 | thingfish | Azar: ;) |
| 22:18.34 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: so what to send you? |
| 22:18.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: women? |
| 22:18.38 | mhall | I need to refer a friend to a very good explanation of basic Linux commands, from user to administrator. Any ideas for an online book? |
| 22:18.41 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: nah, plenty of that here |
| 22:18.52 | tdn | beardy, but my samba codepage and stuff are set to the same as Danish Windows. |
| 22:18.53 | Azar | :) well I like simple things in life |
| 22:18.55 | beardy | mhall: Check the "grounding" factoid. |
| 22:18.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: beer? |
| 22:19.06 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: jack rabbit? |
| 22:19.12 | thingfish | bourbon. send him some good old kentucky bourbon. |
| 22:19.15 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: really nothing |
| 22:19.16 | eeyore- | mhall: nutshell books? |
| 22:19.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: oh ok |
| 22:19.33 | jjazz | I'll take bourbon shipments from anybody who cares to send them. |
| 22:19.39 | Azar | mhall for debian or linux in general? |
| 22:19.43 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: the only chocolate we can get here really is toblerone |
| 22:19.47 | thingfish | eww |
| 22:19.49 | mhall | jjazz: yeah i have a hoarde of maker's |
| 22:19.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: not sure if I spelled it correctly |
| 22:19.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: which isn't bad, is it? |
| 22:19.55 | thingfish | close enough |
| 22:19.56 | mhall | Azar: he has apt-get figured mostly |
| 22:19.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no not bad |
| 22:20.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: pretty good |
| 22:20.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: spelt it perfect. |
| 22:20.05 | mhall | Azar: but mounting and devices totally confound him |
| 22:20.05 | thingfish | toblerone, come on. |
| 22:20.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sweet |
| 22:20.12 | beardy | tdn: Yeah, but on the server you use another charset, locally on the server, so it's probably not the same. |
| 22:20.12 | mhall | Azar: no matter how many times i explain |
| 22:20.19 | Azar | mhall so he does not need an apt primer (dpkg included) ? |
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| 22:20.33 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i love the new ovomaltine brotaufstriche |
| 22:20.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and maltesers, and the cailler branches |
| 22:21.07 | aracnoooo | hey everyone, I need to know the debian repositories to add to my sources.list please |
| 22:21.08 | tdn | beardy, ok. Where can I go to get help? I am currently stuck here. |
| 22:21.16 | ronin | mhall: you seen this one for your buddy? http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz |
| 22:21.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: mmmm chocolate |
| 22:21.24 | tarzeau | aracnoooo: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 22:21.27 | dhuv | hello all |
| 22:21.50 | aracnoooo | what does telnet has to do with it? |
| 22:21.57 | Azar | mhall: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices << that was my newbie bible for the first 2 years |
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| 22:22.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i've gotten +10 kg of chocolate during the last 2 months. almost didn't fit into my ski trousers anymore |
| 22:22.21 | Azar | mhall: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html apt/dpkg primer |
| 22:22.28 | thingfish | damn, tarzeau - that's a lot of chocolate. |
| 22:22.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i've got an absolute chocolate no-no of my gf... |
| 22:22.36 | tarzeau | thingfish: yeah, but it was good , heh :) |
| 22:22.44 | thingfish | heh no doubt. |
| 22:22.46 | Azar | mhall and "vimtutor" command for interactive vim training |
| 22:22.47 | beardy | tdn: I'm not sure, you have start somewhere, one thing at a time I mean, if it's the Samba issue that's most important, perhaps ask #samba. |
| 22:22.51 | jjazz | tarzeau: Slow down, or you'll be diabetic in a few months. |
| 22:22.55 | tarzeau | thingfish: there was alot of other junk food and alcoholics with it |
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| 22:23.11 | thingfish | no no, jjazz, chocolate is actually very good for you, dark chocolate that is. |
| 22:23.12 | tarzeau | jjazz: no way! you can't imagine how much sweets i can eat |
| 22:23.15 | popop | Hi, what is the correct value for umask to create this permissions, the others, if it's a dir only aply +x, and if it is a file only +r, any idea? |
| 22:23.19 | tarzeau | jjazz: and i love it, when i get sick of it |
| 22:23.26 | tdn | beardy, I have tried in #samba but got nowhere :( |
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| 22:23.40 | dhuv | is the /tmp directory in debian sarge tmpfs? when I type "mount" I dont see specifically the /tmp directory mounted with tmpfs but I do see tmpfs on /dev/shm |
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| 22:24.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sucks |
| 22:24.07 | dhuv | I might have the terms mixed up but I am basically asking if the /tmp directory is memory based |
| 22:24.14 | jjazz | thingfish: There's no good data on that. All the research is funded by Mars. There's interesting stuff, but nobody can point to anything but immediate effects, and even those are a weak and a little dubious. |
| 22:24.15 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what? |
| 22:24.18 | beardy | dhuv: It's not. |
| 22:24.24 | pipeline | dhuv: It can be, but it doesn't have to be. |
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| 22:24.37 | popop | no idea anyone? |
| 22:24.37 | beardy | dhuv: By default it's not. |
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| 22:24.44 | tarzeau | mhall: heh :) |
| 22:24.50 | dhuv | beardy: how do you if if it is? |
| 22:25.01 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/snoebergurk.jpg |
| 22:25.08 | beardy | dhuv: If you have made it to be, you should know that it is. |
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| 22:25.22 | resuDaed | Hi, I've just upgraded to testing, my only problems being that networking isn't started properly (I have to manually run ifup eth0) and my sound dev files are missing (I have to run /dev/MAKEDEV audio), the only other thing that I have changed is that I am running a custom kernel (I wanted bootsplash :-) |
| 22:25.25 | resuDaed | any ideas? |
| 22:25.30 | mhall | tarzeau: ;-) |
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| 22:25.56 | tarzeau | mhall: in merkur here, or sprüngli, there's the best ever switzerland chocolate! |
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| 22:26.05 | tarzeau | mhall: if you ever be in switzerland, don't forget visit me |
| 22:26.26 | mhall | tarzeau: hehe, yes, i have to get you back for all the hard times you've given me :-) |
| 22:26.34 | ecliptik | can anyone recommened a good debian hosting company? |
| 22:26.41 | mhall | tarzeau: although i'm not sure i can afford to travel there |
| 22:26.43 | tarzeau | heh, me giving you a hard time? so you won't bring me sweeets? |
| 22:27.02 | mhall | tarzeau: french fries at mcdonald's cost... $6 USD or so |
| 22:27.04 | tarzeau | mhall: just wait until i get my new passport, i can travel to you with some stuff. wait where are you? |
| 22:27.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: skiing? |
| 22:27.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: snowboarding |
| 22:27.20 | mhall | tarzeau: lol, i'm in California, US |
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| 22:27.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah |
| 22:27.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: looks cold |
| 22:27.26 | tarzeau | mhall: sounds good |
| 22:27.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i've got thermo pants, it was hot |
| 22:27.45 | mhall | tarzeau: yes in the spring summer and fall it's quite nice |
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| 22:28.06 | tarzeau | mhall: and you really only want chocolate? that's easy... |
| 22:28.25 | mhall | tarzeau: does everybody always speak schwiezer duetsch? |
| 22:28.39 | illsci | hey can someone point me to a good apache2 and ssl doc |
| 22:28.42 | Amarande | okay, in this pastebin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1726 |
| 22:28.44 | mhall | with a spoon |
| 22:28.49 | tarzeau | mhall: only in the german speaking part, and btw schwiiizer chuchichästli düütsch is beautiful |
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| 22:29.05 | illsci | ive looked all through most of the links i found from google |
| 22:29.05 | tarzeau | mhall: especially in the parts solothurn/bern/züri/aargau/graubünda |
| 22:29.08 | junix|work | is there a problem with vsftpd on sarge, i can no longer connect to my server.... |
| 22:29.08 | Amarande | Is that a problem with the sourcecode, or is that a problem with headers that I need to install some or other -dev package to get? |
| 22:29.25 | tarzeau | mhall: other places is italian,french,rumantsch |
| 22:29.45 | thingfish | ooh what does rumantsch sound like? |
| 22:29.46 | mhall | tarzeau: right, i know about the other languages ;-) |
| 22:29.53 | tarzeau | thingfish: funny |
| 22:30.00 | tarzeau | thingfish: www.admin.ch it has some of it |
| 22:30.02 | mhall | thingfish: it's ancient |
| 22:30.06 | Azar | hmm what is better for scripting? bash or C ? |
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| 22:30.12 | thingfish | I'll have to look into it. |
| 22:30.14 | tarzeau | Azar: shell |
| 22:30.15 | mhall | tarzeau: how many actually speak it |
| 22:30.17 | tarzeau | Azar: but check tcc |
| 22:30.17 | abrotman | dude .. C is a compiled language |
| 22:30.40 | Amarande | basically, is there an easy way to tell from make output whether I'm missing a header or whether there's just a problem with the source I'm trying to compile? |
| 22:30.43 | Azar | agh.. ok I need and looking for a shell scripting so I can do stuff with my system |
| 22:30.48 | tarzeau | mhall: rumantsch is very minor, i think about 10% max of whole switzerland, in a very small region, south/east (graubünde) |
| 22:30.50 | Azar | ok I will get shell scripting then |
| 22:30.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's not |
| 22:30.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: but C++ raped it all up |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | secher: i got wrapped up waiting for you .. forgot to leave! |
| 22:31.12 | tarzeau | Amarande: what source is it? |
| 22:31.19 | Amarande | tarzeau: EDGE |
| 22:31.24 | tarzeau | Amarande: URL? |
| 22:31.27 | Amarande | I have the make output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1726 |
| 22:31.31 | thingfish | interesting. |
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| 22:31.47 | Amarande | edge.sf.net |
| 22:32.06 | Amarande | Basically, I'm wondering if I need to install some or other -dev package, or if the sourcecode's messed up. |
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| 22:32.27 | Azar | I found this tutorial but it looks is for advanced: http://quong.best.vwh.net/shellin20/ |
| 22:32.29 | aalex | Hi. Is deb-make deprecated ? (to create a new package) |
| 22:32.58 | tarzeau | aalex: i use dh-make |
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| 22:33.40 | Amarande | I -have- heard that GCC 4 has become pretty fascist about proper coding. |
| 22:33.49 | aalex | tarzeau: hmm, ok. is there a tutoril online ? |
| 22:34.03 | mhall | Amarande: as it should |
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| 22:34.08 | tarzeau | aalex: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 22:34.13 | aalex | tarzeau: does it need to be root ? |
| 22:34.13 | tarzeau | aalex: never |
| 22:34.13 | Supaplex | and it doesn't support php3 :p |
| 22:34.25 | Amarande | mhall: but it makes me wonder if I'm missing files or if the sourcecode doesn't like gcc4 or if the sourcecode is just bugged |
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| 22:34.31 | tarzeau | Amarande: and 4.1 has got objective-c++ |
| 22:34.35 | mhall | Amarande: GCC isn't finished until, when you fuck up, it busts a cap on your ass so bad you spend the rest of your life whistling out your peehole. |
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| 22:36.42 | r121 | a question about processes: in KDE system guard, there are, for example, 3 x-chat processes, each showing the exact same amount of used memory, approx 20mb. Does this mean x-chat is using 20mb of memory or 60? |
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| 22:36.58 | mhall | r121: threads |
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| 22:37.22 | mhall | r121: total for prog is the 20 mb |
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| 22:37.30 | mhall | r121: try plain top versus htop |
| 22:37.42 | bazz | i'm building a module that wants in include /usr/src/linux/include/asm/irq.h which wants irq_vectors.h, of which there are 4 machine dependant versions. how do i tell which one my kernel is using? |
| 22:37.53 | r121 | mhall: thanks, that was confusing me |
| 22:38.12 | mhall | r121: also watch out on stuff like X servers |
| 22:38.19 | eleftherios | what command line flag do I need to use with dh_make to set the Mainter's Name? I thought it was '-p'... |
| 22:38.30 | mhall | r121: sometimes they include RAM that's device mapped or shared between processes more than once |
| 22:38.48 | mhall | r121: and then you get overly big amount of consumption on driver programs or stuff using shm |
| 22:39.16 | mhall | i'm out, cya all |
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| 22:40.46 | aalex | tarzeau: ok, all right. Now, which file should I edit/delete in debian/ ? |
| 22:41.05 | tarzeau | aalex: did you read the url i gave you? |
| 22:41.15 | aalex | tarzeau: my main concern is about deps |
| 22:41.28 | aalex | tarzeau: yes, but there is not much there |
| 22:42.07 | tarzeau | aalex: what software are you packaging? |
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| 22:42.20 | aalex | tarzeau: ah, i see, i should edit control, then copyrighy. i see |
| 22:42.20 | tarzeau | aalex: did you file an ITP? is it free software? it's a GAME? IS IT A GAME? |
| 22:42.29 | tarzeau | which game is it? can we play it over the network? |
| 22:42.29 | araba | ciao a tutti |
| 22:42.33 | aalex | tarzeau: gridflow |
| 22:42.43 | tarzeau | how many people play it together? |
| 22:42.46 | aalex | tarzeau: no, its for math and video.... |
| 22:42.50 | tarzeau | baaaa |
| 22:42.55 | araba | hi |
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| 22:43.07 | araba | there are anyone that can help me please ? |
| 22:43.15 | aalex | just ask :) |
| 22:43.23 | aalex | tarzeau: its gpl, yeah |
| 22:43.32 | araba | yes, but my english is so terrible |
| 22:43.38 | araba | but i'm going to try |
| 22:43.38 | aalex | araba : ask.. |
| 22:43.40 | araba | ^_^ |
| 22:43.41 | tarzeau | !it |
| 22:43.41 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:43.42 | araba | ok |
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| 22:44.25 | aalex | araba : what usually ork, i find, is a single long sentence describing everything we need to give you an answer |
| 22:44.28 | aalex | work |
| 22:44.33 | araba | for install binari on my linux |
| 22:44.45 | araba | what i'm going to do ? ? |
| 22:45.27 | S4nD3r | Which client mail to use ?? I want good address book, schedule integrated, and antispam all togheter... |
| 22:45.37 | S4nD3r | Thunderbird is a good choose?? |
| 22:45.37 | mortal | emacs |
| 22:45.47 | Amarande | thunderbird is pretty good, actually |
| 22:45.49 | Supaplex | !start an mua war |
| 22:45.49 | dpkg | elm blows |
| 22:45.52 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: GNUMail.app |
| 22:46.03 | S4nD3r | ?????? |
| 22:46.07 | Amarande | I used it under Windows, so I'm already used to it anyway. |
| 22:46.08 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: it's got AddressBook.app and for antispam there's spamassassin |
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| 22:46.17 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: schedule is agenda.app |
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| 22:48.11 | S4nD3r | eheheehehh |
| 22:48.15 | S4nD3r | Evolution !!!!/ |
| 22:48.17 | S4nD3r | hehehehe |
| 22:49.05 | kreg_dcdi | anyone ever use mediawiki? |
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| 22:51.42 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 22:51.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:52.25 | tarzeau | kreg_dcdi: isn't that php? |
| 22:52.34 | Supaplex | it is |
| 22:52.37 | tarzeau | kreg_dcdi: i think i've used it on wiki.gnustep.org |
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| 22:53.51 | HorizonDefeated | Does anyone know anything about using bluez? |
| 22:53.57 | kreg_dcdi | tarzeau, ya it's a php project. been trying to come up with a nicer way to post admin logs instead of using word and visio |
| 22:53.57 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 22:53.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:54.14 | kreg_dcdi | something more centralized that other admins can post too |
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| 22:56.05 | opnsrc | When my computer boots it reaches a point where it says, DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 (and it repeats four times with different intervals, the ones after 6 are 18, 18, and 17) |
| 22:56.18 | opnsrc | I don't have an Eth0 on this machine, just an eth1 and an eth2 . How do I get rid of this (it's very slow) |
| 22:56.36 | opnsrc | Basically where is it trying to mount eth0, which file? |
| 22:56.36 | rpt | how do I decrypt something thats been encrypted with cryptsetup? |
| 22:56.47 | Supaplex | opnsrc: ifconfig -a ; man interfaces |
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| 22:58.16 | nadjyla | hello :) |
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| 22:59.06 | opnsrc | Supaplex, thanks |
| 22:59.10 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian way to install nvidia's nforce driver package? |
| 22:59.58 | Supaplex | !nv |
| 22:59.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
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| 23:00.06 | Supaplex | !nvidia |
| 23:00.07 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 23:00.13 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: yeah, those aren't related |
| 23:00.22 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: /msg the bot for the others :) |
| 23:00.23 | chealer | SerajewelKS: what do you need exactly? |
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| 23:00.26 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: nvidia != nforce |
| 23:00.26 | nadjyla | SerajewelKS: use module-assistant :) |
| 23:00.33 | Supaplex | oh my bad. :p |
| 23:00.43 | SerajewelKS | nadjyla: mind giving me the module name? |
| 23:00.59 | Supaplex | I just saw the n you know. hehe |
| 23:00.59 | ruser | starfishy so installed new kernel. except now my sound is missing, any idea why? |
| 23:01.14 | SerajewelKS | chealer: i'd like nvmixer so i can control the hardware mixer on my card |
| 23:01.31 | SerajewelKS | chealer: the "card" being my motherboard (onboard crap) |
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| 23:02.19 | DragonD | Hello. i'm tring to do a net install but i need the make tool |
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| 23:02.39 | SerajewelKS | chealer: but i don't trust nvidia's install package |
| 23:02.39 | beardy | DragonD: What for? |
| 23:02.43 | nadjyla | DragonD: make tools :? |
| 23:02.56 | opnsrc | How would i stop my computer from trying to use DHCP on Eth0 |
| 23:03.03 | Amarande | okay, which environment variables would I edit to point gcc to additional include and library directories? |
| 23:03.13 | beardy | opnsrc: Tell it not to. |
| 23:03.18 | SerajewelKS | opnsrc: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:03.21 | beardy | !tell opnsrc -about interfaces |
| 23:03.30 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 23:03.43 | bucky | For Linux: just type 'make' in the top-level dir. This will create gledge. edit the Makefile in order to create the S/W version. |
| 23:03.52 | DragonD | i need to make ndiswrapper to get my network up. |
| 23:03.55 | bucky | sorry wrong channel |
| 23:04.20 | SerajewelKS | !nforce |
| 23:04.20 | dpkg | nforce is probably a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 23:04.35 | beardy | DragonD: Do it on another box? |
| 23:04.41 | SerajewelKS | dpkg is ever so helpful |
| 23:04.51 | DragonD | beardy: i need the kernal source i thought, |
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| 23:04.57 | opnsrc | I just put a # before any line that had a eth0 in it (assuming it doesn't have any other interfaces on that line) |
| 23:04.58 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 23:05.15 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: so what's wrong with dpkg's suggestion of "nvidia installer"? |
| 23:05.50 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: because that factoid is about the nvidia module, not the nforce module. they are different. |
| 23:05.55 | beardy | DragonD: Or, use a livecd, make away, store it somewhere, then install. |
| 23:06.03 | nadjyla | DragonD: i should not a netinstall without eth |
| 23:06.31 | starfishy | how do i force assign an interface device node to a physical interface? |
| 23:06.38 | DragonD | couldn't i just get the make tools and install them? |
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| 23:06.49 | chealer | SerajewelKS: the nForce stuff is non-free and no packaged for Debian. are you sure only nvmixer can do that? |
| 23:06.51 | beardy | DragonD: Getting the first sarge cd may perhaps be better in your case though. |
| 23:07.04 | nadjyla | yes |
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| 23:07.22 | beardy | DragonD: And when you have your network up, run apt-setup to switch from the cd to a mirror. |
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| 23:07.41 | SerajewelKS | chealer: i don't know if it's the *only* thing that can, but i asked on debian-user and someone suggested it |
| 23:07.42 | opnsrc | Thanks, the problem went away and my internet works fine |
| 23:08.12 | SerajewelKS | chealer: there doesn't seem to be any other program that google can find. also, isn't the nforce module in debian reverse-engineered? i might need the official driver for access to the equalizer. |
| 23:08.12 | thingfish | man, good ale and led zeppelin go really well together. |
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| 23:08.27 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: weird al too |
| 23:08.29 | DragonD | another quextion can i install grub on my usb stick |
| 23:08.30 | DragonD | ? |
| 23:08.35 | chealer | SerajewelKS: I don't think there's an "nforce" module |
| 23:08.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:08.38 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: weird al + french fries |
| 23:08.52 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: chealer probably meant video driver, not gigabit network driver, forcedeth.ko |
| 23:08.58 | nadjyla | DragonD: yes on /dev/sda |
| 23:09.00 | SerajewelKS | chealer: /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-nforce2.ko and /lib/modules/2.6.15-1-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/cpufreq-nforce2.ko |
| 23:09.06 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: or anything else greasy and bad for you. |
| 23:09.13 | SerajewelKS | lindi-: we're talking about the motherboard chipset |
| 23:09.19 | DragonD | nadjyla: cool |
| 23:09.21 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: of course =) |
| 23:09.34 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i eat french fries every fscking day and i'm skinnier than a rail |
| 23:09.36 | thingfish | heh |
| 23:09.50 | SerajewelKS | thingfish: i think the grease just turns into methane |
| 23:09.53 | Amarande | Sera: I do know the kernel supports nForce, though. |
| 23:10.00 | Amarande | This very machine has an nForce4 board. |
| 23:10.02 | Supaplex | that says nothing for your heart |
| 23:10.06 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: ok, i have seen very good performance with nforce3 using the forcedeth network driver for the integrated gigabit nic |
| 23:10.12 | Seb_ | hmm, is udev known to conflict with recent linux-image-*-686 ? |
| 23:10.17 | thingfish | SerajewelKS: that's certainly possible. but then I guess it would depend on what else you eat, besides the french fries. |
| 23:10.18 | SerajewelKS | lindi-: wtf? we're talking about the sound card. |
| 23:10.25 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: oh |
| 23:10.26 | Seb_ | i just asked for a udev install, and it wants to remove all my debian kernel images |
| 23:10.30 | Seb_ | that's on sid, of course |
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| 23:10.45 | DragonD | thanks for the help |
| 23:10.46 | thingfish | Like, do you end a french fry meal with a large slice of banana cream pie? |
| 23:10.53 | SerajewelKS | lindi-: hence 'equalizer' =) |
| 23:11.07 | starfishy | nm, found it |
| 23:11.08 | SerajewelKS | lindi-: i'd like to see a hardware equalizer on the network card though.. that'd be interesting.. |
| 23:11.12 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: i haven't bothered to try to use the sound chip since i'm not using nforce's on a desktop |
| 23:11.36 | ruser | mm, in installed sid kernel 2.6.15-1-686 and now for some reaosn alsa doens't work. all the neccesary modules seem to be loaded properly. |
| 23:11.42 | SerajewelKS | anyway it's probably the sound card driver anyway.. it's AC97 shit |
| 23:11.51 | SerajewelKS | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
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| 23:12.10 | Amarande | ahh |
| 23:12.16 | SerajewelKS | pciid 10de:006a |
| 23:12.18 | chealer | SerajewelKS: those modules have nothing to do with the sound. i doubt NVIDIA's package even has an equivalent for those drivers |
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| 23:12.21 | Amarande | I have my AC97 and onboard eth disabled ... heh |
| 23:12.22 | major_payne | Moo!!! |
| 23:12.31 | Amarande | I use an Intel 82541PI eth card and CM8738 soundcard |
| 23:12.56 | SerajewelKS | chealer: afaik nvmixer is bundled in the nforce package, which would mean it would need some driver to talk to the equalizer, no? |
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| 23:13.11 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: seems i have bit newer: 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce MultiMedia audio [Via VT82C686B] (rev a2) |
| 23:13.14 | gary | I've been trying to rip dvd's to my hard drive as a friend lends me some and rather than keep the dvd for days or weeks I wanted to rip it and watch it whenever I wanted. However, a few times (using dvdbackup) it has gone wrong. For example the audio channels are incorrect. On one movie for instance, the last vob has the wrong audio on it, but the rest is fine. Any other programmes or am I doing something wrong here? |
| 23:13.23 | SerajewelKS | lindi-: is that even AC97? |
| 23:13.41 | SerajewelKS | gary: dvdrip is nice.. never had any problems with it |
| 23:13.47 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: whoops, pasted the wrong line |
| 23:13.59 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: the "AC97" line is rev a1 |
| 23:14.29 | chealer | SerajewelKS: nvmixer seems to be bundled in the nforce package. it would probably need a driver, indeed |
| 23:14.39 | thingfish | !wayc Amarande |
| 23:14.39 | dpkg | Amarande: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 23:14.47 | beetlepun | hi |
| 23:14.47 | afabian | Amarande, the /usr/local hierarchy exists to keep it cleanly out of the way. |
| 23:14.59 | SerajewelKS | chealer: just found a link: ftp://download.nvidia.com/linux/nforce/nvmixer/nvmixer.tgz |
| 23:15.00 | beetlepun | i'm trying to find a snmp trap server, what's a good one? |
| 23:15.06 | SerajewelKS | chealer: guess i can try it and see what happens |
| 23:15.14 | eeyore- | Amarant: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/pkg |
| 23:15.16 | Amarande | why am I compiling instead of using apt-get? because there's no debian package for EDGE |
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| 23:15.43 | chealer | SerajewelKS: ah, interesting |
| 23:15.46 | SerajewelKS | yay i need qt -dev libs |
| 23:15.47 | eeyore- | Amarant: make; make -n install (-n == pretend, examine output carefully, as some parts of "make install" might be broken and put things elsewhere other than $HOME/pkg/) |
| 23:15.50 | thingfish | oh. I suppose that's a good reason then. |
| 23:15.57 | morpheo | IAO |
| 23:16.11 | SerajewelKS | the hell, libqt3-mt-dev is installed |
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| 23:16.20 | lindi- | Amarande: i'd just use "dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" in the source directory to create a package out of it |
| 23:16.21 | gary | thanks sara |
| 23:16.25 | Amarande | EDGE is a DOOM game engine. |
| 23:16.29 | gary | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 23:16.31 | ruser | mm, in installed sid kernel 2.6.15-1-686 and now for some reaosn alsa doens't work. all the neccesary modules seem to be loaded properly. alsaconf finds the sound card.. ANd this used to wokr in 2.6.8 any ideas? |
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| 23:16.34 | SerajewelKS | gary: np |
| 23:16.46 | SerajewelKS | Precomp.h:73:26: error: qapplication.h: No such file or directory might explain the problem... /me digs around in Precomp.h |
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| 23:17.23 | milez | um .. can anyone provide me with an apt source for kde-3.5? |
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| 23:17.55 | chealer | milez: ask #debian-kde |
| 23:17.57 | milez | i'm running knoppix and frankly i've no idea anymore how close it is to debian |
| 23:18.03 | milez | chealer, thank you |
| 23:18.05 | nadjyla | deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 23:18.06 | gary | SerajewelKS: aparantely is it not available through apt-get |
| 23:18.14 | gary | SerajewelKS: I think I'm using stable, maybe that's why |
| 23:18.18 | gary | I'll install it manually |
| 23:18.34 | SerajewelKS | wow. wow. wow. how broken can an nvidia makefile be... |
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| 23:18.43 | SerajewelKS | !info dvdrip stable |
| 23:18.57 | beardy | Probably in marillat. |
| 23:19.06 | beardy | By the sound of the name.. |
| 23:19.06 | beetlepun | anyone use a log trapper for home router? I've tried ap-trapd and it works, but can't give me any useful data.. suggestions? |
| 23:19.11 | SerajewelKS | beardy: yeah, it is |
| 23:19.17 | SerajewelKS | !tell gary about marillat |
| 23:19.28 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Then why looking for it in stable? |
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| 23:20.12 | SerajewelKS | beardy: because i didn't realize until you said something? |
| 23:20.25 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Ok. |
| 23:20.38 | Amarande | hmm, does dh_make and such work correctly when you don't have a source tarball, only a source dir? |
| 23:20.46 | Amarande | these sources come from CVS, so there's no tarball |
| 23:20.55 | lindi- | Amarande: yes it does |
| 23:21.14 | Amarande | yay, dh_make doesn't like me |
| 23:21.15 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:21.17 | lindi- | Amarande: i use it regularly and it generally creates a very workable template |
| 23:21.25 | Amarande | because cvs doesn't make directories that have version numbers in them :P |
| 23:21.32 | lindi- | Amarande: just rename |
| 23:22.04 | lindi- | Amarande: i usually copy them to temporary directory for building anyway |
| 23:22.43 | Amarande | yay i don't have autoconf either |
| 23:22.45 | gary | SerajewelKS: cool, marillat is very good, thanks! |
| 23:22.48 | Amarande | dang, I'm batting 1000 |
| 23:23.28 | lindi- | Amarande: just give me the cvs command and i'll build a package :) |
| 23:23.32 | gary | out of interest guys, what window managers are you using. I used fluxbox for about 2 years, now im trying out enlightenment dr16 but I don't like it. Anyone here tried XFCE? |
| 23:23.52 | Amarande | lindi: actually, there's 3 different source trees that need to be built to make this |
| 23:23.58 | nadjyla | gary :yes |
| 23:23.59 | major_payne | what does this mean and how can I fix it? |
| 23:24.03 | Amarande | apparently edge depends on glbsp and epi |
| 23:24.04 | major_payne | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 23:24.04 | major_payne | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 23:24.08 | nadjyla | and try e17 |
| 23:24.12 | nadjyla | not e16 |
| 23:24.30 | major_payne | when I run apt-get install gftp |
| 23:24.33 | gary | nadjyla: you mean enlightenment e17 ? |
| 23:25.10 | nadjyla | yes, it s the last version of enlightenment |
| 23:25.23 | lindi- | Amarande: no problem |
| 23:25.35 | Amarande | anyway, they're all sourceforge trees |
| 23:25.39 | lindi- | Amarande: i do this almost daily with random projects ;) |
| 23:25.51 | Amarande | "edge" and "epi" under the edge project, and "glbsp" under the glbsp project |
| 23:25.58 | Amarande | edge depends on epi and glbsp |
| 23:26.07 | gary | hmmmm, I don't think it is available on stable yet unfortunately. |
| 23:26.13 | Amarande | I'm not sure if the other two have dependencies that should be noted in a proper .deb, or not |
| 23:26.13 | lindi- | Amarande: yeah, just create three packages |
| 23:26.22 | nadjyla | when it s done :p gary |
| 23:26.31 | lindi- | Amarande: you can add the dependencies to debian/control |
| 23:26.41 | Amarande | geez, these people don't even put a configure script in, I have to run autoconf manually :P |
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| 23:27.48 | major_payne | I get this when en I run apt-get install gftp: "what does this mean and how can I fix it?E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" What does it mean and how can I fix it? |
| 23:29.20 | dijz | hi, I have used glade, now I run "./autogen.sh" and riceved error mesagem "No package 'gtkmm-2.0' found" but all about gtkmm-2.4 is installed, how I can fix it? |
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| 23:29.44 | lindi- | Amarande: heh :) |
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| 23:30.08 | gary | nadjyla: are you using it? I seen some flash movies of it and it looks very smooth and clean. Hope it gets done soon. Any way of knowing when it will be added? |
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| 23:31.19 | lindi- | Amarande: I recently tried to build http://www.tml.tkk.fi/~tilmonen/mustajuuri/ and found it to be a great challenge. I gave up after an hour when i noticed it used symlinks where the target name includes e.g. "*" which somehow magically gets expanded deep down in the build scripts |
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| 23:31.28 | KerPlunk | How can I set it up so I can just "ssh bookmark" from my laptop...and it will automatically ssh to a certain ip and do all the login/password automatically. |
| 23:31.49 | ma3x | heeeeeelp |
| 23:31.56 | ma3x | I can't remove my hard disk |
| 23:32.02 | KerPlunk | !tell ma3x about ask |
| 23:32.02 | ma3x | (laptop) |
| 23:32.19 | ma3x | I removed both screws |
| 23:32.28 | ma3x | and then I pull pull, but it's almost gonna brake |
| 23:32.36 | ma3x | and just a little of the hard disk came out |
| 23:32.37 | ruser | could udev be the problem that i dont' get my /dev/dsp? |
| 23:32.39 | ma3x | not even 1/10 |
| 23:32.45 | ma3x | what should I do? |
| 23:32.47 | drp | do the 686 2.8 kernel images support pcmcia |
| 23:32.48 | lindi- | KerPlunk: 1) Create key with ssh-keygen 2) Add "Host bookmark" "ProxyCommand nc -w 3 123.123.123.123 22" "User foo" to ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 23:33.18 | nadjyla | gary, yes i use it. dont know when it s be released |
| 23:33.35 | ruser | drp yes. |
| 23:33.52 | resiak | !tell ma3x -about enter |
| 23:33.59 | ma3x | resiak, help me instead |
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| 23:34.22 | Gnea | aww.... i hate firefox+java+printing :( |
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| 23:34.37 | resiak | ma3x: How can I ... offer you tech support ... for a physical thing I cannot see? |
| 23:35.30 | thingfish | ma3x: check for a tab or button that you have to press while pulling out the hard drive. |
| 23:35.45 | Gnea | i go to print something and ghostscript comes back with an Unrecoverable Error, exit code 1, finally with a write error from tee, Process dying with "Possible error on renderer command line or PostScript error. Check options.", exit stat: 3 error: Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) |
| 23:35.48 | bcc | is there a way to find out the exact size of the drive (to a byte)? not a partition but the whole device. is that possible? |
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| 23:36.08 | ruser | Gnea try printing to file? |
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| 23:36.33 | Gnea | ruser: it's java, that isn't an option. but i did find the output .ps file... but i can't open it |
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| 23:37.11 | Gnea | and now firefox just crashed, which means I just lost $22 |
| 23:37.54 | ruser | Gnea :( |
| 23:38.17 | ruser | Gnea what were you printing? |
| 23:38.40 | Gnea | ruser: a printing label with international documentation. |
| 23:38.46 | Gnea | fucking canada |
| 23:38.49 | useruser | Gnea: <troll>that's the price you pay for free software</troll> |
| 23:38.59 | Gnea | heh. |
| 23:39.05 | ruser | lol |
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| 23:39.08 | ma3x | thingfish, there is a rubber in the middle, but I don't know what to do with that. Should I pull it or press it? I tried both, nothing |
| 23:39.11 | aio | hello |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | oh shit .. i should do my taxes .. yay! |
| 23:39.20 | Gnea | useruser: yes yes, i am aware of this. |
| 23:39.23 | Supaplex | Gnea: gv won't view it? |
| 23:39.23 | SerajewelKS | couresty of our friends at nvidia, i now know how to bring a system to its knees |
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| 23:39.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: install thier drivers? |
| 23:39.36 | aio | i am running UBUNTU |
| 23:39.38 | thingfish | ma3x: it would be on the underside of the laptop, probably. |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: run kde ? |
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| 23:39.44 | abrotman | aio: #ubuntu please |
| 23:39.50 | Gnea | Supaplex: nope. it gives errors and displays nothing. |
| 23:39.51 | aio | yes |
| 23:39.55 | aio | ubuntu |
| 23:39.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: run the nvmixer makefile |
| 23:39.58 | aio | sorry |
| 23:40.02 | ruser | hrm.. how come if i specify -ao alsa in mplayer it works, but other things like xmms refuse to work with it? can't run aslamixer either? |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | aio: /join #ubuntu |
| 23:40.09 | Gnea | hrm... |
| 23:40.10 | aio | ok |
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| 23:40.22 | Gnea | lpr foomatic-rip.ps |
| 23:40.22 | KerPlunk | I want to have an audio broadcast on the internet of a meeting I'm having..and my laptop is debian etch...what is good secure easy software to use for something like this? |
| 23:40.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's effectively: echo -e 'all:\n\tmake' > Makefile ; make |
| 23:40.37 | Gnea | nope, it's not printing - the ghostscript interpreter is fucking up - ARGH!!! |
| 23:40.45 | ruser | Gnea ps2pdf? |
| 23:40.46 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: in less than 10 seconds, my 200mb free ram and 500mb swap were toast |
| 23:41.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i prefer make -j & with kernel source .. then make world for X |
| 23:41.07 | Supaplex | Gnea: try less ? any content? |
| 23:41.15 | agustincnc | Hello everyone, I am having strange problems with dig, nslookup host etc. I am using etch and the 3 commands answer with strange messages no matter the input data. It looks like a library problem but apt-update and apt-get dist-upgrade have worked fin. |
| 23:41.20 | oritemis | Hi, I am needing suport. I just installed Debian in my machine via FTP. And then I used aptitude to install gnome and gdm. When I rebooted the system gdm send me the following message: "GDM: Xserver not found: /usrX11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 - auth /var/lib/gdm/", I would been grateful if someone could help me. Thanks. |
| 23:41.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: there's no "prefer" about it.. if both can kill a system |
| 23:41.29 | Gnea | ruser: same thing: ESP Ghostscript 815.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
| 23:41.42 | Gnea | Error: /configurationerror in --setpagedevice-- |
| 23:41.45 | ruser | agustincnc what do your /etc/resolve.conf say? |
| 23:42.01 | abrotman | oritemis: do you know if it is X.org or Xfree ? |
| 23:42.09 | KerPlunk | oritemis: type this as root... apt-get install xserver-window-system xserver-xorg |
| 23:42.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what surprises me is that a userspace process can rape a system. linux has no such thing like "10mb of memory is reserved for root login ttys?" |
| 23:42.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: userspace meaning "non-root" |
| 23:42.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you could complain to lkml |
| 23:42.43 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: That's why you put /root on a seperate partition. |
| 23:42.56 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: having only one partition(/) is not a good idea. |
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| 23:43.11 | KerPlunk | SerajewelKS: but if you can't ssh in because no space, you can sftp in, and then delete stuff and then ssh in. |
| 23:43.29 | oritemis | abrotman: I don't know. But I believe it is Xfree. It's the standart of Debian distribution, isn't? |
| 23:43.32 | SerajewelKS | KerPlunk: memory != storage |
| 23:43.40 | agustincnc | ruser: my resolv.conf is set to localhost, but my dns server (bind9) works fine, as I can use dig or nslookup in other computer. |
| 23:43.47 | abrotman | oritemis: X -version |
| 23:43.57 | abrotman | oritemis: there are different versions of debian |
| 23:44.15 | opnsrc | KerPlunk, you mean for every linux machine you recommend to put root on a seperate partition than other users? |
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| 23:44.36 | SerajewelKS | anyway, it seems nvmixer requires the *qt source* to be installed. that's a wtf if ever there was one. |
| 23:44.37 | eeyore- | opnsrc: no reason why you can't have a single / partition ... |
| 23:44.44 | opnsrc | Yeah |
| 23:44.50 | ruser | uhm... /root reserves some space, that users can't write into |
| 23:44.56 | eeyore- | opnsrc: "running out of space" is highly unlikely, besides, you can always reserve space |
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| 23:44.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: stop buying nvidia garbage |
| 23:45.02 | opnsrc | Well I have three on this, one Fat32 , one swap (I'm not sure how to use the swap but it wanted one or installation) and one Ext3 (this one) |
| 23:45.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the cards aren't, the software support is |
| 23:45.14 | opnsrc | On this HD |
| 23:45.19 | c0rtex | Is there a way to list all packages whose config files are user-modfied? |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: but you can't use the cards without the software .. hence .. garbage :) |
| 23:45.56 | Gnea | ..... |
| 23:46.01 | Gnea | i think i figured it out |
| 23:46.05 | eeyore- | nvmixer? what's that for? |
| 23:46.10 | abrotman | Gnea: cows drink water ? |
| 23:46.10 | oritemis | abrotman: Command not found. It is possible that aptitude don't installed it? I am using the very last stable version of Debian - 3.12r1a. |
| 23:46.11 | ruser | Gnea and the solution? |
| 23:46.13 | abrotman | eeyore-: nvsound |
| 23:46.18 | Gnea | ruser: sec... |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | oritemis: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 23:46.30 | abrotman | oritemis: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 23:46.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: why does it need its own mixer? not alsa? |
| 23:46.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: nvidia garbage! :) |
| 23:46.40 | Gnea | YES!!! |
| 23:46.48 | ruser | lol |
| 23:46.49 | Gnea | ruser: ln -sf /usr/bin/gs-gpl /etc/alternatives/gs |
| 23:47.02 | ruser | why not just alias it? |
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| 23:47.18 | Gnea | that's what alternatives DOES |
| 23:47.30 | opnsrc | Yeah, Linux takes quite a bit of space to install to begin with (like with all the main packages and GUI's) but once installed adding packages seem to be very small |
| 23:47.32 | useruser | Gnea: just curious, what was it pointing to before? |
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| 23:47.36 | opnsrc | I can add so many packages and it hardly touches my HD |
| 23:47.37 | Gnea | yeah, now it shows up in gv just fine |
| 23:47.40 | oritemis | abrotman: Ok, downloading now. Thank's a lot. |
| 23:47.45 | Gnea | useruser: /usr/bin/gs-esp |
| 23:47.58 | ruser | Gnea congrats :) |
| 23:48.05 | Gnea | and now it's printing |
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| 23:48.10 | Gnea | thanks guys :) |
| 23:48.18 | major_payne | when I try to install or update any packages with apt-get I get this error: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 23:48.18 | major_payne | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 23:48.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:48.26 | major_payne | is there anything I can do to fix this? |
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| 23:49.23 | joseph | how do I list the dependencies of any particular packag |
| 23:49.26 | opnsrc | apt-get remove (and what you want) |
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| 23:49.32 | major_payne | abrotman: ahh, thanks, it's been a while since I updated this system |
| 23:49.37 | opnsrc | major_payne did you try apt-get remove (whatever you want) |
| 23:49.40 | Gnea | useruser: who would've thought that the GPL (aka FREE software variant) would save the day? ;) |
| 23:50.12 | major_payne | opnsrc: I think !s2fsprogs loop tells me what I need to do |
| 23:50.19 | opnsrc | Gnu-gpl rules |
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| 23:50.24 | opnsrc | I'm new at linux, I have no idea |
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| 23:50.40 | opnsrc | !s2fsprogs loop doesn't even work on my terminal |
| 23:50.46 | ruser | is anyone experiencing any problems with udev and alsa? |
| 23:50.51 | opnsrc | Heck, I've never removed packages. How do you remove packages with apt ? |
| 23:51.03 | Gnea | opnsrc: let me put it this way - the gpl version of ghostscript just saved me a shitton of time and aggrivation |
| 23:51.03 | ApEtc | apt-get remove package |
| 23:51.09 | KerPlunk | ruser: no, none |
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| 23:51.32 | ruser | KerPlunk do you have /dev/dsp entry? |
| 23:51.33 | opnsrc | that's what I thought it was ApEtc, wasn't sure because I never tried it. |
| 23:51.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well nvmixer doesn't have a facility for changing the equalizer settings |
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| 23:51.50 | Gnea | opnsrc: and if you're at all familiar with international shipping, you know how much of a big deal that is. |
| 23:51.57 | KerPlunk | ruser: yes |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: would you like my opinion on nvidia stuff ? |
| 23:52.05 | opnsrc | Gnea, before the GPL, corporations like Microsoft would simply patent prior art (they still do) |
| 23:52.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: didn't you already give it to me? |
| 23:52.17 | ruser | KerPlunk what kernel are you running? cause i dont' seem to have that entry. and alsmixer can't open it... :/ |
| 23:52.22 | opnsrc | But with the GPL it's much harder for them to sue you for something that was released under the GPL |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg not scottish |
| 23:52.24 | KerPlunk | 2.6.12* |
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| 23:52.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he doesn't reply |
| 23:52.44 | ruser | KerPlunk duh... i'm on 2.6.15 |
| 23:52.53 | abrotman | !not scottish |
| 23:52.58 | opnsrc | (or for something they didn't create *) |
| 23:52.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg scottish |
| 23:53.14 | kspath | If it isn't Scottish is tis CRAP! |
| 23:53.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: my dad used to say that all the time |
| 23:53.24 | kspath | If it isn't Scottish tis CRAP! |
| 23:53.31 | abrotman | !scottish |
| 23:53.32 | dpkg | [scottish] If it's not scottish, it's crap! |
| 23:53.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: since my dad's part scottish |
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| 23:54.14 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not a lot of scottish GPU manufacturers though ;) |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:57.01 | ruser | KerPlunk never mind i solved the problem. user wasn't able to write to /dev/snd/* |
| 23:57.24 | abrotman | oritemis: get it all figured out ? |
| 23:57.47 | FarrisG | I have a 3ware 9550SX, and a couple of hours ago I got the message "Drive power on reset detected: port=6", then cache flush failed, then drive removed, then degraded unit, then a verify started. It's looking like the drive is fine, but what is the likely cause of this? Power supply hiccup? bad power supply? Not enough power supply? |
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| 23:59.17 | beaufils | any doc around on how to install debian on an external (firewire) disk so that I may use that disk on many different computers ? |
| 23:59.43 | KerPlunk | I want to have an audio broadcast on the internet of a meeting I'm having..and my laptop is debian etch...what is good secure easy software to use for something like this? |
