| 00:00.08 | nrdb | I have a problem, my fileserver stoped working today, it has a software raided set of drives, mdadm doesn't seem to think there a RAID anymore, I reboot into Knoppix 4.0, it can find all the drives, is there anyway I can recover the data? |
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| 00:00.35 | DragonD | hello agin |
| 00:00.42 | abrotman | again? |
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| 00:01.29 | nadjyla | KerPlunk: for doing what? |
| 00:01.44 | DragonD | i just install a basic debian install.... Debain Amd64 and now when i try to install ndiswrapper it's asking for the kernal source.. the kernel i have installed it the amd-k8 kernel |
| 00:01.44 | KerPlunk | nadjyla: I want to put a mic in a room, and broadcast what people are saying. |
| 00:01.50 | Amarande | grumble |
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| 00:02.51 | nadjyla | Oo |
| 00:02.53 | nadjyla | lol |
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| 00:03.35 | ootput | what have the scots ever done? |
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| 00:03.42 | ruser | KerPlunk some kind of shoutcast plugin should do |
| 00:03.51 | ootput | besides influence partial nudity in Braveheart |
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| 00:05.36 | DragonD | is there a ndiswrapper package for debian amd64? |
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| 00:06.10 | nrdb | I need help with a software raided drives. |
| 00:06.15 | chealer | DragonD: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 00:06.35 | KerPlunk | ruser: What shoutcast plugin, what do I apt-get install? |
| 00:06.45 | KerPlunk | ruser: I preferably wanted something free as in freedom. |
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| 00:08.09 | ruser | KerPlunk http://www.shoutcast.com/download/broadcast.phtml |
| 00:08.54 | grendelson | I apt getted pythno 2.4 but my machine still returns 2.3 as version - how do I redirect? |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | grendelson: sarge? |
| 00:09.07 | oritemis | abrotman: Can you say me how can I start gnome by comand line? |
| 00:09.09 | grendelson | sorry testing - etch |
| 00:09.21 | abrotman | grendelson: try update-alternatives |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | oritemis: X won't start ? |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | oritemis: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:09.41 | grendelson | abrotman update-alternatives python? |
| 00:09.51 | grendelson | or just "update-alternatives" alone? |
| 00:09.55 | oritemis | abrotman: Ok, thank you. |
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| 00:10.06 | abrotman | grendelson: hrm .. it's not there |
| 00:10.10 | nrdb | grendelson, have you check if the executable pythno is a link |
| 00:10.13 | abrotman | grendelson: some stuff depends on python2.3 |
| 00:10.30 | grendelson | I see now that python is link to python2.3 |
| 00:10.30 | abrotman | or i'm using it wrong |
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| 00:10.46 | ruser | hrm.. i went form sarge to sid... and everything works amazingly fast now... i'm like wow.... yay debian |
| 00:11.08 | nrdb | grendelson, try linking it to python2.4 |
| 00:11.10 | grendelson | python2.4 is available in etch but it did not update link... wondering if it's ok to do so manually.... |
| 00:11.15 | grendelson | I guess I can give it a try... |
| 00:11.27 | abrotman | grendelson: you can try .. what's the worst that happens . :) |
| 00:11.34 | grendelson | hahahaahahah |
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| 00:12.07 | nrdb | anyone here know about software raid repairs?? |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | just ask |
| 00:12.17 | DragonD | how do i install a deb package manualy? |
| 00:12.23 | abrotman | maybe someone does .. maybe not |
| 00:12.25 | erhanugur_e | hi, proftpd login message settings? |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | DragonD: man dpkg |
| 00:12.27 | nrdb | abrotman, I have twice |
| 00:12.31 | thingfish | DragonD: dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 00:12.34 | abrotman | nrdb: oh .. sorry |
| 00:13.04 | thingfish | you can't have read man dpkg and not know how to install. |
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| 00:13.07 | konfuzed | yeah my gigabit onboard spontaneously works again as of just now |
| 00:13.15 | DragonD | is all i need is the .deb or do i need any tar.gz? |
| 00:13.19 | konfuzed | i wonder how long it will last |
| 00:13.57 | thingfish | DragonD: forget tar.gz, get .debs. |
| 00:14.05 | erhanugur_e | proftpd > login messages settings? where? |
| 00:14.13 | thingfish | DragonD: and use apt-get when possible. |
| 00:14.24 | DragonD | thingfish: i didn't evan know about dpkg |
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| 00:14.54 | thingfish | DragonD: if you're going to use Debian, you'd better familiarize yourself with it and apt-get. |
| 00:14.54 | nrdb | I had a software RAID, it has stoped working, I rebooted in Knoppix, it can see all the drives, is there something I do to get the RAID working again? |
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| 00:15.27 | thingfish | DragonD: people new to Debian often find synaptic handy for installing/uninstalling applications. |
| 00:15.42 | DragonD | synaptic? |
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| 00:16.04 | thingfish | DragonD: open a terminal, type su, give it root's password, then type synaptic. |
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| 00:16.12 | asskicker | for IMMEDIATE sale 2 high performance laptops price 500 each includes shipping carry case and wireless router. message me if interested on aim at ogd443, msn at mcsltd@telusmail.net, or yahoo at mcsltd2. specs p4m 2.26, 1gb ram, 80gb hard drive sata, built in modem, ethernet, firewire, usb2.0, 802.11b/g wireless, 256mb nvidia geforce go 6800 pcie, 17.1" uwxga display. |
| 00:16.27 | thingfish | spammer |
| 00:16.29 | DragonD | thingfish: i don't have X installed yet |
| 00:16.36 | DragonD | anywas thanks for the help |
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| 00:16.49 | thingfish | DragonD: ok so use apt-get instead. |
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| 00:17.08 | thingfish | DragonD: what are you trying to install? |
| 00:17.17 | thingfish | works for me. |
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| 00:20.04 | starfishy | shadowcat: how can you be so cruel? |
| 00:20.04 | Amarande | Shadowcat: I go to build this thing and it tells me I need "glbsp". |
| 00:20.06 | Shadowcat | starfishy: I'm not cruel, I'm evil |
| 00:20.06 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 00:20.07 | starfishy | touche |
| 00:20.12 | Amarande | But the only "glBSP" package I find on sf appears to be something that builds a binary |
| 00:20.19 | Amarande | while it looks like it's looking for a library, not a bin |
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| 00:21.36 | Amarande | I was rather hoping to be able to install EDGE as my DOOM port of choice, since I'm trying to actually make use of my nvidia 3D stuff now that I have it. :) |
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| 00:23.09 | Amarande | well, if they had binaries for linux, that is |
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| 00:24.04 | Thanatermesis | the filesystem UDF is for the "multi-session" CD's, correct ? |
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| 00:24.38 | gberardi | I'd like to improve my productivity and prevent me from going to Slashdot among other sites. I'm not sure what it is I would need to do to redirect or deny requests from my computer to specific domains. Any help? |
| 00:25.01 | Amarande | gberardi: edit your hosts file so slashdot.org points to some other site, perhaps? |
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| 00:25.34 | gberardi | Amarande: Thanks! Is there a name for doing this? I'd like to look up what else might be possible as well. |
| 00:25.42 | ringo999 | hi there. i would like to install debian on my old pc. unfortunately i dont have a cd writer nor a floppy disc. I got knoppix running of from cd right now, my harddrive is empty and formated. is there any way i can yet install debian straight like that? |
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| 00:26.13 | Amarande | gberardi: "vi /etc/hosts" |
| 00:26.39 | Snadder | hi... anyone know if its possible to run 64bits programs in a 32bits os at a 64bits amd processor? |
| 00:26.58 | Amarande | snadder: use the amd64 kernel, and you can run both 32bit and 64bit apps |
| 00:27.03 | Amarande | you need the right libraries for each, though |
| 00:27.10 | gberardi | Amarande: Yeah, I know what file and I've done it at work, but is there a name for adding a domain to hosts? Like domain redirection or something? |
| 00:27.12 | thingfish | Snadder: no. your o.s. must be 64bit too. |
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| 00:27.40 | Amarande | 32-bit programs will not work with 64-bit libs and vice versa |
| 00:27.49 | Snadder | Amarande, ok.. so under linux I can run both 32 and 64 bits together.. if I install all libs double up? |
| 00:27.52 | Amarande | 32-bit programs will, however work with a 64-bit kernel (the reverse is not the case though IIRC) |
| 00:28.15 | Amarande | I haven't really tried it myself, though |
| 00:28.19 | Snadder | Amarande, do you know if thats possible under windows too?.. |
| 00:28.30 | thingfish | Snadder: install 64-bit everything that you can, because the o.s. can run 32-bit stuff. |
| 00:28.32 | Snadder | *maybe wrong channel to ask in* :P |
| 00:28.40 | thingfish | Snadder: but not vice versa. |
| 00:28.51 | Snadder | thingfish, yeap. |
| 00:29.15 | Snadder | thingfish, but if I need some few special programs which only exist with 32bit.. and require some common libs. |
| 00:29.27 | Snadder | ..then I also need all common libs installed. |
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| 00:29.37 | gberardi | FOUND IT! Hostname resolution |
| 00:29.58 | thingfish | I don't know...really...I mean I'm just a poor boy, still stuck on mere 32-bit architecture. |
| 00:30.12 | ringo999 | anyone please? |
| 00:30.42 | Wyzard | ringo999: You can use your Knoppix CD to do a debootstrap install |
| 00:30.46 | nrdb | I had a software RAID, it has stoped working, I rebooted in Knoppix, it can see all the drives, is there something I do to get the RAID working again? |
| 00:30.55 | Wyzard | ringo999: if your old PC has a network connection |
| 00:31.15 | Supaplex | huh? knoppix for installing debian? sounds like dimentia |
| 00:31.37 | thingfish | I wonder why debian-installer isn't good enough. |
| 00:31.40 | Wyzard | Supaplex: On my laptop, I installed Debian with debootstrap from an Ubuntu liveCD |
| 00:31.52 | Wyzard | thingfish: He has no access to a CD burner, nor a floppy drive |
| 00:32.03 | thingfish | eww |
| 00:32.07 | Supaplex | well, I guess in a pinch :P |
| 00:32.22 | Wyzard | ringo999: If the target PC has USB ports, you can boot the installer from a USB flash drive |
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| 00:32.47 | Wyzard | ringo999: If it has nothing but a network connection: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 00:33.18 | Wyzard | ringo999: ^^^ from your Knoppix CD... but that's a more "advanced" sort of thing, and you won't get the normal user-friendly installer doing that |
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| 00:37.45 | gberardi | Once I edit /etc/hostname, do I need to bring down and bring up the interface? |
| 00:37.57 | Shadowcat | you need to reboot |
| 00:38.36 | Wyzard | or just use the "hostname" command and then restart any daemons that care about the hostname |
| 00:38.51 | Wyzard | I don't think network interfaces care about the hostname though |
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| 00:39.44 | Shadowcat | Wyzard: technically that's possible yes, the problem is that A LOT of stuff depends on that file |
| 00:39.48 | Shadowcat | including getty |
| 00:40.55 | gberardi | Well, I'm not going to reboot anytime soon |
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| 00:45.01 | Amarande | yay, I think I've figured this out |
| 00:45.10 | dvs | !beer Amarande |
| 00:45.45 | nrdb | is there any way to read the superblock info from a non-working raid setup? |
| 00:45.47 | Amarande | yay, and discovered there's yet another unresolved dependency |
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| 00:45.53 | DragonD | Hello once again |
| 00:45.58 | Amarande | isn't it fun trying to build source that doesn't have good build docs :) |
| 00:46.14 | Shadowcat | why bother |
| 00:46.25 | afabian | Production software with poor documentation is a sin! |
| 00:46.39 | dvs | afabian: No, it's job security |
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| 00:47.06 | Amarande | anyone here ever hear of a package called HUMIDITY? |
| 00:47.31 | ann0ia | dpkg xcompmgr |
| 00:47.35 | DragonD | how can i find out what binary cd i need to install ndiswrapper |
| 00:48.05 | dvs | DragonD: apt-get install ndiswrapper |
| 00:48.18 | dvs | DragonD: It will tellyou what CD to install |
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| 00:49.44 | DragonD | dvs: evan if i installed with a minimal cd and never "scanned" the actually cds? |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 00:49.47 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 00:50.03 | dvs | DragonD: Why haven't you scanned the CDs if you have them? |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | dvs: he doesn't ? |
| 00:50.29 | dvs | !lart dvs |
| 00:50.42 | Shadowcat | !beat dvs |
| 00:50.51 | DragonD | dpkg: zless? |
| 00:50.51 | dpkg | it has been said that zless is a program that you can look at gzip'd files through the rocking pager 'less', or something that could have been achieved instead with the one-line shell-script: gzip -dc $1 | less, or completely worthless, if you know what lesspipe is, or a hot topic of conversation |
| 00:50.52 | dvs | Shadowcat: Hey hey hey! |
| 00:51.01 | nrdb | I had a software RAID, it has stoped working, I rebooted in Knoppix, it can see all the drives, is there something I do to get the RAID working again? |
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| 00:51.56 | Silivrenion | I have a server of 5 scsi hard drives. I want to install debian and use all of the drives for storage, problem is I don't have a long enough scsi cord to reach the furthest drives. If I hook up the first hard drive and install debian on that, then later on connect more hard drives, how does debian treat the next hard drives I add? Will they enumerate into the total filesystem space? |
| 00:52.58 | nrdb | Silivrenion, have you look at lvm? |
| 00:53.18 | Silivrenion | i havent installed debian yet.. i know nothing about it |
| 00:53.26 | Silivrenion | i just dont know how debian handles it |
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| 00:54.38 | Coweater | Silivrenion: debian will do nothing with the new drives if you do what you described |
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| 00:55.03 | nrdb | Silivrenion, I am not an expert, but LVM is a way of making serveral drives act as one. So if you setup a couple of drives as a LVM drive then latter when you add the other you can expand the LVM drive. |
| 00:55.17 | Silivrenion | thanks |
| 00:55.19 | ringo999 | Wyzard, unfortunately all i have is network connection. i also have an external usb harddrive, would that help anything to make things easier? |
| 00:56.06 | nrdb | I had a software RAID, it has stoped working, I rebooted in Knoppix, it can see all the drives, is there something I do to get the RAID working again? |
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| 00:57.29 | SerajewelKS | can i add two partitions to an LVM to create an LVM across two devices without messing with the existing partitions? |
| 00:57.43 | DragonD | dpkg: any idea on how to read that template file on windows? |
| 00:57.54 | SerajewelKS | DragonD: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:58.01 | Amarande | anyone happen to know what library uses AL/al.h and AL/alc.h? |
| 00:58.13 | SerajewelKS | !find /AL/al.h |
| 00:58.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/AL/al.h' (1): (/usr/include/AL/al.h) in libdevel/libopenal-dev. |
| 00:58.32 | DragonD | oh lol |
| 00:58.39 | DragonD | anyone else? |
| 00:58.39 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: ^^^ |
| 00:59.37 | Amarande | Dang, DOOM engines are demanding little beasts |
| 00:59.46 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: zless is also or the less verbose script: zcat $1 | less |
| 00:59.46 | dpkg | okay, SerajewelKS |
| 00:59.51 | Amarande | every time I think I can compile, I find another unresolved dependency :/ |
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| 01:00.29 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: is this a debian package? |
| 01:00.33 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: source package, that is |
| 01:00.41 | Amarande | sera: no |
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| 01:00.48 | Amarande | it's called EDGE, and it's on sourceforge |
| 01:01.12 | SerajewelKS | speaking of FPSes, has anyone actually made a game based on cube? |
| 01:01.21 | Sonny | hi, why when I excute gnome-alsamixer I receive this error: (gnome-alsamixer:13145): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 01:01.23 | Amarande | Basically, I'm trying to compile those things that don't have .deb versions available within my home directory space, so as not to pollute the main filesystem, and meanwhile install those files that I can get .debs for as such. |
| 01:01.27 | poet4n | how can I copy my current debian system onto a new disk? |
| 01:01.34 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: are you trying to run it as root? |
| 01:01.41 | SerajewelKS | poet4n: cp -r |
| 01:02.12 | Coweater | SerajewelKS: cube is the only game afaik |
| 01:02.12 | ruser | poet4n also use -p to save the permissions |
| 01:02.41 | Coweater | there's a few mods linked at the bottom of their site |
| 01:02.43 | SerajewelKS | poet4n: or -a |
| 01:02.52 | Amarande | Poor dpkg. |
| 01:02.59 | SerajewelKS | poet4n: -a = -rpd |
| 01:03.04 | Amarande | Every time my compile chokes, he has to find a -dev package for me. :) |
| 01:03.07 | poet4n | thanks SerajewelKS, I imagine I will only have to reconfigure grub to boot? |
| 01:03.17 | SerajewelKS | poet4n: you should, yeah |
| 01:03.30 | SerajewelKS | poet4n: if the partitions are the same size you can use dd to copy the partition exactly |
| 01:03.41 | nrdb | I had a software RAID, it has stoped working, I rebooted in Knoppix, it can see all the drives, is there something I do to get the RAID working again? I think only the superblocks are corrupt. |
| 01:03.47 | SerajewelKS | poet4n: keep the old partition around in case it doesn't boot, obviously |
| 01:03.48 | Sonny | SerajewelKs, yep |
| 01:04.05 | SerajewelKS | Sonny: for the love of god, why |
| 01:04.17 | poet4n | SerajewelKS: No, its a larger drive |
| 01:04.25 | Sonny | SerajewelKS, why not? |
| 01:05.00 | SerajewelKS | !running as root |
| 01:05.01 | dpkg | somebody said running as root was in short suicidal. Root gives you privelege that you don't really need as a regular user, and as such running as root opens you up to making stupid mistakes - and believe me, you *will* make stupid mistakes. |
| 01:05.02 | SerajewelKS | that's why |
| 01:05.22 | Amarande | *#@&$*(@#&*(@ |
| 01:05.41 | dvs | Amarande: another dependency? |
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| 01:06.06 | Amarande | no. "linux/i_sound.cpp:51: error: invalid conversion from 'const ALubyte*' to 'const ALchar*'" |
| 01:06.34 | Amarande | is this one of those things that would have worked with gcc3 but gcc4 won't let you? |
| 01:06.35 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: looks like signed vs unsigned |
| 01:07.03 | poet4n | SerajewelKS: thanks. Bye |
| 01:07.08 | poet4n | /off |
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| 01:08.26 | Sonny | does somebody has an "audigy 2 zs" working in etch? |
| 01:08.29 | Amarande | lemme guess |
| 01:08.35 | Amarande | this one isn't one that gets fixed by installing another library |
| 01:08.44 | Amarande | this is "poke around with the code" buggage? |
| 01:09.45 | abrotman | Amarande: this is "ask whoever wrote the code to fix it" |
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| 01:10.24 | bucky | Amarande, i bet edge needs oss |
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| 01:10.48 | Amarande | great, just great |
| 01:10.57 | Amarande | how long has ALSA been out, and someone would still want to use OSS? |
| 01:10.59 | poison | hi all, when I do static3:~# apt-get update I get '-su: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error' |
| 01:11.01 | poison | any idea? |
| 01:11.16 | dvs | Amarande: ALSA can emulate OSS |
| 01:12.08 | Amarande | dvs: do I need another library to do that? |
| 01:12.21 | dvs | Amarande: Which kernel? |
| 01:12.25 | Amarande | 2.6.12 |
| 01:12.32 | dvs | Amarande: It's in the kernel |
| 01:12.40 | dvs | Amarande: is that a Debian kernel? |
| 01:12.45 | nrdb | can anyone help PLEASE? my software RAID isn't working 'mdadm --examine <drives>' returns with data that look correct. |
| 01:12.46 | Amarande | yah |
| 01:12.50 | Amarande | etch |
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| 01:13.02 | ClayG | anyone know a good lightweight web browser that supports https?for the gui? |
| 01:13.04 | dvs | Amarande: Then it's in the kernel as snd_pcm_oss |
| 01:13.15 | poison | I'm having the same error when I type 'dmesg' : '-su: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error'. What's wrong with my system? :s |
| 01:13.18 | dvs | and snd_mixer_oss |
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| 01:14.36 | asg | poison: generally, that is indicative of massive filesystem corruption or drive failure. 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | assuming / isn't ro |
| 01:15.19 | starfishy | are packages for apache 2.2 available somewhere? |
| 01:15.34 | abrotman | !info apache2-common sid |
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| 01:15.42 | dpkg | apache2-common: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.55-4 (sid), Packaged size: 787 kB, Installed size: 3060 kB |
| 01:15.45 | Amarande | dvs: that wouldn't explain compile-time errors, though |
| 01:15.47 | poison | tnx asg |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | !info apache2-common experimental |
| 01:15.55 | starfishy | abrotman: i know that |
| 01:15.56 | Amarande | a non-installed kernel module would be a runtime error |
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| 01:16.11 | dvs | Amarande: Compile time? These modules are to USE OSS. |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | starfishy: nothing apparent .. maybe apt-get.org ? |
| 01:16.18 | tam | in a bash script how wouldd one interpret a control-D sequence? |
| 01:16.22 | starfishy | ok, ill check there |
| 01:16.26 | Amarande | dvs: the problem is that EDGE won't compile, not that it won't run |
| 01:16.48 | dvs | Amarande: Oh ok. I don't know anything about compiling OSS |
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| 01:17.54 | nonutopi33 | anyone know where i can find hig res version of this famous picture - http://laflecha.net/img/news/1/7/tux_vs_bill_gates_bg.jpg ? |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | that is hires |
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| 01:18.31 | starfishy | apparently not on apt-get.org either |
| 01:18.43 | starfishy | nm, ill just build it to test |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | !maint apache2-common |
| 01:18.45 | dpkg | apache2-common: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | starfishy: email them ? ask ? |
| 01:19.18 | starfishy | thats the next step |
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| 01:19.33 | starfishy | according to a mailing list entry from december they were going to package it in january |
| 01:19.40 | diana | What percent of the code of gnome in debian is different from the code in fedora.(ballpark figure) |
| 01:19.42 | starfishy | so i was hoping, but its not that critical |
| 01:20.04 | Gryn | Hello, Im running Mepis and have no sound, cna anyone help me? |
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| 01:20.10 | dvs | Gryn: Nope |
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| 01:20.15 | asg | Gryn: #mepis can |
| 01:20.20 | starfishy | does anyone happen to know whether the 2GB size limit 2.0.55 still has by default can be disabled? |
| 01:20.21 | Gnea | !tell Gryn -about mepis |
| 01:20.31 | diana | If someone is beta testing gnome in debian...is it the same as beta testing gnome in Fedora...is the code for gnome the same basically? |
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| 01:20.51 | azeem | diana: if they use jhbuild, yes |
| 01:21.05 | asg | diana: basically though each may have patches that change things. |
| 01:21.10 | diana | azeem: What is jhbuild? |
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| 01:21.19 | azeem | a build tool for GNOME |
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| 01:21.41 | Amarande | ahh, it compiles! |
| 01:21.53 | azeem | diana: Debian usually has no beta versions of GNOME, so that statement only makes sense if you use GNOME's beta tarballs/cvs directly |
| 01:22.01 | diana | azeem: Are most of the main end-user packages in Fedora the same as Debian? the code...roughly |
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| 01:22.17 | diana | azeem: Say I'm using "testing" |
| 01:22.53 | Zrin | i'm choosing components for a debian sarge (2.6) server for small business, i'll use a 3ware raid controller which is a PCI 64 (PCI-X) card. What mainboard shall I take? |
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| 01:23.26 | azeem | diana: I don't know what Fedora has |
| 01:23.39 | Amarande | dammit |
| 01:23.41 | diana | azeem: neither do I |
| 01:23.42 | Amarande | now it catches SIGSEGV |
| 01:23.43 | Amarande | *rats* |
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| 01:24.03 | odla | fedora sucks |
| 01:24.29 | diana | azeem: My friend said that using any software on any linux distribution is helpful to the upstream authors for that software. And I said debian's software isn't always the same as the upstream. |
| 01:24.45 | Gnea | odla: oddly enough, fedora does 64bit quite well |
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| 01:25.02 | asg | diana: Debian provides fixes and information back upstream as do most projects. |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | Zrin: the green one .. always the green one |
| 01:25.07 | azeem | diana: that is a different matter. There is the issue of having the latest version, and the issue of patching packages |
| 01:25.11 | Gnea | diana: that's true |
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| 01:25.23 | hendry | does anyone know why my flash plugin for firefox isn't working on flickr/analytics? |
| 01:25.25 | NachPlus | Is there a list somewhere about how the ABI change is doing? |
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| 01:25.50 | Gnea | hendry: nope |
| 01:25.58 | Gnea | !tell hendry -about ask |
| 01:26.10 | Zrin | abrotman: the green one ... is there any model name on it? :) |
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| 01:26.29 | diana | So essentially any end user program on debian I use...will be very close to what upstream is at some point in time? |
| 01:26.35 | Gnea | ok, my dvd css isn't working right at all |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | Zrin: doesn't matter .. as long as it's green |
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| 01:26.40 | azeem | diana: more or less |
| 01:26.50 | chaedaeX | is debconf the main thing that drives the debian installer, running the various components? |
| 01:26.50 | diana | k, I guess I was wrong. |
| 01:27.02 | azeem | diana: there are some packages which deviate a lot |
| 01:27.02 | Zrin | abrotman: is there any PCI 64 slot on it :) |
| 01:27.05 | azeem | but not in general |
| 01:27.05 | asg | diana: some parts may be ripped out, however, to maintain DFSG compliance. |
| 01:27.08 | diana | I was under the impression that debian packages had some kind of significant changes(some of them) compared to upstream. |
| 01:27.11 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.27 | azeem | diana: it depends on what you call "significant" |
| 01:27.35 | Gnea | was there a level of smack handed down this week? |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | Zrin: i have no idea .. but it's green! .. |
| 01:27.58 | diana | azeem: I dunno...I just didn't want to be wrong..but I am. :( |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | Zrin: maybe ask #hardware |
| 01:27.59 | asg | !smack Gnea |
| 01:28.01 | Zrin | abrotman: ok :) |
| 01:28.05 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:28.17 | Sonny | hey guys, I have a sound car audigy 2 zs, with a 7.1 sound system, but it seems just to sound 2 channels, how can I activate the 8 channels? |
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| 01:28.58 | diana | !tell Sonny about audigy |
| 01:29.06 | Gnea | Sonny: probably with the alsamixer |
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| 01:29.32 | poison | let's say there are errors on my filesystem and I need to reboot, but I don't have a KVM, is there a way to answer Y on the inodes that need to be repaired? or do I have to drive to the datacenter? |
| 01:29.57 | Sonny | Gnea; everything its up in alsamixer |
| 01:30.29 | Sonny | diana: do you have an audigy card? |
| 01:30.52 | Gnea | poison: check out /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh and /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
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| 01:31.29 | Gnea | poison: and man fsck |
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| 01:31.39 | Gnea | all of the answers are there |
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| 01:32.26 | grew | is there a list somewhere of what pcmcia 802.11x cards are supported by the linux kernel |
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| 01:33.18 | diana | grew: What card do you have? |
| 01:33.35 | grew | diana: need to get a new one |
| 01:33.37 | grew | my orinoco is dying |
| 01:33.40 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 01:33.40 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
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| 01:33.59 | ClayG | A while ago on a freinds compuer i saw a program called "file system visualizer" it was this cool gui that showed the FS. Is there anything apt-get'able for debian? |
| 01:34.18 | Gnea | linux.org is not the definitive center of the universe |
| 01:34.51 | hendry | ClayG: df -h |
| 01:34.56 | derek | how do i create a tarball? |
| 01:34.57 | poison | 'static3:/home/web/coolbox# reboot' => '-su: reboot: command not found' |
| 01:35.07 | ClayG | this is a program that shows it graphically, very cool to look at |
| 01:35.14 | hendry | derek: tar cvf my.tar files/ |
| 01:35.20 | poison | derek: a tarball or a gzipped tarball? |
| 01:35.27 | derek | thanks hendry |
| 01:35.37 | derek | either one |
| 01:35.44 | hendry | derek: tar cvfz my.tar.gz files/ |
| 01:35.51 | derek | sweet |
| 01:35.55 | derek | thanks |
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| 01:36.13 | derek | that will preserve permissions right? |
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| 01:38.48 | SperMite | how would i undo this command i did : > modprobe snd-pcm-oss snd-...-oss |
| 01:38.48 | SperMite | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:38.59 | Gnea | ClayG: i'm trying to check out tdfsb, but stupid GLX isn't working right |
| 01:39.00 | derek | restart? |
| 01:39.05 | grew | SperMite: man modprobe |
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| 01:39.10 | Gnea | SperMite: modprobe -r |
| 01:39.10 | dvs | SperMite: modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss |
| 01:39.26 | dvs | derek: Such a Windows thing to do. ;-) |
| 01:39.30 | derek | hehe |
| 01:39.40 | derek | i have never owned a windows computer |
| 01:39.54 | Gnea | have you ever touched one? :) |
| 01:40.00 | derek | ya |
| 01:40.04 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:40.08 | derek | i almost dies |
| 01:40.11 | derek | i almost died |
| 01:40.16 | Gnea | yeah |
| 01:40.37 | hendry | Supaplex: rmmod |
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| 01:42.10 | starfishy | bbl |
| 01:43.28 | resiak | I'm building packages based on what dh-make-perl spits out, but with dependencies and so on correctly set up. If I leave the tests in, then the package must build-depend on _everything_ that it depends on so that it can actually be loaded during the tests. Should I (a) remove the tests, or (b) make it build-depend on everything? |
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| 01:46.04 | dvs | nice |
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| 01:52.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:52.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 01:52.29 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
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| 01:56.10 | strider | hi there, i am using ubuntu and aptitude does not have super cow powers |
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| 01:57.06 | bucky | strider, /msg dpkg moo |
| 01:57.17 | bucky | apt-get moo |
| 01:58.48 | strider | cowsay is cool too |
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| 02:00.31 | abrotman | strider: go to #ubuntu |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | fark .. no pencil |
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| 02:02.00 | strider | abrotman: :P |
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| 02:03.05 | Amarande | okay. |
| 02:03.09 | Amarande | one thing I'm still a bit puzzled about |
| 02:03.16 | oritemis | Hi, I am trying to install the bynaries of Firefox but I don't really know from where begining. Could someone please give me the readlines? |
| 02:03.27 | Amarande | you can insert a CD-ROM as a user, but you need to be root to remove it? |
| 02:03.39 | Amarande | it's a bit of a pain to become root every time I want to eject a CD-ROM to install stuff off the next |
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| 02:05.37 | beardy | Amarande: What do you mean? When do you have to be root to eject a cd? |
| 02:05.45 | nevyn | Amarande: you shouldn't need to be root to remove a cdrom |
| 02:05.45 | zinx | Amarande: uhm |
| 02:05.49 | Amarande | beardy: when I insert a CD, it automounts |
| 02:05.50 | zinx | Amarande: add your user to the cdrom group |
| 02:06.00 | Amarande | but then if I hit the eject button, it doesn't come out while it's still mounted |
| 02:06.02 | zinx | Amarande: the user you create during installation is already a member of that group.... |
| 02:06.05 | Amarande | and of course you need to be root to use umount |
| 02:06.10 | zinx | Amarande: no you don't |
| 02:06.19 | zinx | Amarande: where did you get the idea that you have to be root to unmount? |
| 02:06.31 | Amarande | I kinda just assumed it. |
| 02:06.32 | beardy | Amarande: If your user can mount, it can umount aswell. |
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| 02:06.37 | zinx | Amarande: ... |
| 02:06.41 | Amarande | You wouldn't want users mounting and unmounting filesystems at random, would you? :) |
| 02:06.59 | zinx | Amarande: there are user-mountable filesystems |
| 02:07.09 | zinx | Amarande: there are two styles, in fact |
| 02:07.24 | zinx | Amarande: in one, any user can mount it, but only the user who mounted it (and root) can umount it |
| 02:07.33 | zinx | Amarande: in the other less commonly used, any user can unmount as well |
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| 02:07.57 | zinx | Amarande: if it's getting outomounted, it's likely that there's an icon for it being displayed somewhere |
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| 02:08.04 | zinx | Amarande: try eject from the icon. |
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| 02:08.30 | zinx | s/outo/auto/ |
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| 02:09.14 | oritemis | Sorry to repeat but, I am trying to install the binaries of Firefox but I don't really know from where beggining. I downloaded and extracted, tryied type "make", he says there are nothing to make. To where go now? |
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| 02:09.35 | Amarande | rather than having to pay for cedega, meh |
| 02:09.44 | thingfish | oritemis: why not just apt-get it? |
| 02:09.49 | resiak | Amarande: cvscedega! |
| 02:10.00 | mfrisch | oritemis: get the .deb install = firefox |
| 02:10.04 | nrdb | Hi I am trying to repair a software RAID5, I have booted into Knoppix, it found all the drives, I need help in getting the RAID reconised again. |
| 02:10.07 | zinx | Amarande: uhm, isn't there a Linux client for NWN? |
| 02:10.14 | Amarande | zinx: yah, all except the toolset |
| 02:10.22 | thingfish | oritemis: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 02:10.25 | Amarande | I might want to use the toolset at some point eventually though |
| 02:10.34 | Zrin | does anyone use 3ware raid controller in a PCI-X slot? |
| 02:10.36 | oritemis | thingfish: The version in apt is 1.07, I want the 1.5. |
| 02:10.40 | zinx | Amarande: Windows GUI style apps tend to work better in wine anyway |
| 02:10.51 | zinx | Amarande: cedega seems focused entirely on OpenGL apps |
| 02:10.52 | thingfish | oritemis: well then, if you must, get it from backports.org. |
| 02:11.04 | zinx | Amarande: or, Direct3D I guess |
| 02:11.06 | oritemis | thingfish: The version in apt is 1.07, I want the 1.5. |
| 02:11.08 | thingfish | !tell oritemis about backports |
| 02:11.30 | thingfish | oritemis: I got you the first time. |
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| 02:11.41 | Amarande | yah, maybe I should get both |
| 02:11.48 | Amarande | meh, where did I put my neverwinter nights discs |
| 02:11.48 | oritemis | thingfish: Iam sorry. |
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| 02:12.29 | thingfish | oritemis: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
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| 02:12.59 | thingfish | oritemis: then do apt-get update, then do apt-get install mozilla-firefox. |
| 02:13.23 | karsten | Exim question: anyone know why messages get frozen, how to unfreeze them quickly (exim -qf or exim -qff take *ages*, literally hours), and how to avoid the problem in the first place? |
| 02:13.27 | oritemis | Oh, ok. thanks a lot! |
| 02:13.27 | topaz | Hi resiak |
| 02:13.39 | topaz | I had something to say, but then you kicked me out |
| 02:13.57 | abrotman | topaz: go away |
| 02:14.02 | karsten | I've currently got some 300ish undelivered queued messages. Um, 400ish. |
| 02:14.18 | topaz | Why? I haven't done anything wrong, other than be labeled as an 'ubuntoobie' and condescended to |
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| 02:14.24 | abrotman | and ask for warez |
| 02:14.25 | thingfish | oritemis: are you new to Debian and GNU/Linux in general? If so, you may find Synaptic easier to use. |
| 02:14.26 | topaz | How about you fuck off and leave me to what I want to do? |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | and then ask for our viriginity |
| 02:14.42 | thingfish | hah |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | topaz: and if you do use ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
| 02:14.54 | topaz | abrotman: what makes you think I'm not already there? |
| 02:15.02 | topaz | Huk huk~ |
| 02:15.03 | oritemis | thingfish: Yes, really new. |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | topaz: you tard .. i know you're there |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | idiot |
| 02:15.17 | topaz | abrotman: okay then, why ask a rhetoric? |
| 02:15.25 | thingfish | oritemis: open a terminal, type su, give it root's password, then type synaptic. |
| 02:15.27 | beardy | topaz: Go away. |
| 02:15.30 | topaz | Actually you didn't ask |
| 02:15.30 | topaz | My bad |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | you're right . i didn't |
| 02:15.41 | oritemis | synaptic |
| 02:15.47 | oritemis | ok |
| 02:15.48 | resiak | topaz: come back and say what you want. |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | oritemis: X still doesn't work ? |
| 02:15.59 | topaz | Ugh, no thanks |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | wussy |
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| 02:16.19 | topaz | abrotman is obviously the troll, and i don't intend to get booted again |
| 02:16.29 | abrotman | says the idiot from #ubuntu |
| 02:16.41 | topaz | lol! What's wrong with ubuntu? |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | i didn't say anyhting was .. |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | now did i? |
| 02:17.05 | oritemis | abrotman: Works perfect now. I don't way it don't installed by the dependence tree. But after I followed you steps everything works fine. Thanks. |
| 02:17.07 | topaz | You obviously think there is |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | oritemis: ah ok |
| 02:17.22 | thingfish | topaz: partly the fact that half its users end up here looking for help because no one in #ubuntu can/will help them. |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | thingfish: he actually came to -ot looking for winXP |
| 02:17.40 | topaz | It was a joke |
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| 02:17.45 | topaz | Sigh |
| 02:17.52 | thingfish | topaz: and they think that because ubuntu is based on Debian, that it is Debian, which it's not. |
| 02:17.59 | topaz | There's little to no reason why I would go to #debian-offtopic for warez |
| 02:18.02 | thingfish | aack abrotman you're kidding |
| 02:18.03 | oritemis | thingfish: That addition to /etc/apt/sources.list will work to synaptic too? |
| 02:18.04 | topaz | But 'k |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | thingfish: that's what he said |
| 02:18.14 | thingfish | oritemis: yes. |
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| 02:18.30 | abrotman | topaz: and the reason you came to #debian is ? |
| 02:18.44 | topaz | Because I wanted to talk to resiak |
| 02:18.49 | topaz | Now leave me alone |
| 02:18.53 | abrotman | you oculd have msg'ed him |
| 02:18.53 | resiak | ... ? |
| 02:19.01 | thingfish | oritemis: it's a good idea, when you're done, to put a # in front of that backports line, so you don't get yourself into trouble. |
| 02:19.09 | topaz | I dunno, I'm not particularly familiar with IRC |
| 02:19.32 | topaz | Living under a rock and so forth |
| 02:19.32 | odla | !irritate topaz |
| 02:19.33 | dpkg | topaz: HELP ME!!! how can I make my knoppix werkz !!!! |
| 02:19.35 | topaz | Afk |
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| 02:20.00 | kspath | !distract odla |
| 02:20.01 | mfrisch | topaz: you rule |
| 02:20.16 | odla | dpkg: what's your phone number baby |
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| 02:21.31 | magyar | my screen is fucked i have a never ending loop kded SIGABRT. HELP |
| 02:21.54 | thingfish | aargh. sitting and looking at IRC all day is not good for your back. |
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| 02:22.10 | mfrisch | magyar: is it spitting on you?? |
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| 02:22.14 | thingfish | or at least, it's not good for my back. |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | thingfish: you need a laptop! |
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| 02:22.33 | thingfish | abrotman: yes, that would allow me to recline. |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | thingfish: alternately .. a projector :) |
| 02:22.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:23.17 | Amarande | thingfish: could be worse, could be like last weekend where I was stuck in 60 Hz |
| 02:23.20 | thingfish | I'd settle for a somewhat more ergonomic chair. |
| 02:23.33 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, when i do "dpkg --purge proftpd-mysql" it says unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
| 02:23.33 | NitinShantharam | dpkg: error processing proftpd-mysql (--purge): and it crashes.. can anyone save me :( |
| 02:23.36 | thingfish | eww Amarande. But then, that builds character. |
| 02:23.46 | nrdb | does anyone know if 'mdadm --create ...' is will damage the contents of the HDs, |
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| 02:24.35 | oritemis | thingfish: I will, thank's. |
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| 02:26.03 | aalex | What can I use other than timidity to listen to MIDI files ? (there are glitches in timidity) |
| 02:26.27 | Amarande | yay, a five hour download |
| 02:26.38 | Amarande | I thought broadband did away with hours-long downloads :) |
| 02:26.45 | nevyn | aalex: glitches? |
| 02:26.57 | beardy | aalex: Let it output to a file before you listen, if your box can't handle it. |
| 02:27.24 | beardy | Amarande: Things never change, if bandwidth widens, size grows. |
| 02:27.30 | chrome | anyone have experience with firewire drives on sparc with debian? :) |
| 02:27.50 | nrdb | oh come on guys I need help with a non-working RAID system. Isn't anyone around that knows how to fix one? |
| 02:27.53 | Amarande | "8.0 of 1183.9 MB" |
| 02:27.54 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:28.07 | beardy | chrome: Someone in #debian-sparc perhaps. |
| 02:28.21 | aalex | beardy: not a bad idea, but i have a big machine, dont know whats the pb |
| 02:28.30 | chrome | beardy: they're always asleep but I'll take another peek |
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| 02:29.39 | beardy | aalex: Your soundcard perhaps, but I have no idea. I'm fairly ceirtain it's not timidity's fault though. |
| 02:30.11 | karsten | What are the files /var/log/mysql-bin* ? |
| 02:30.26 | beardy | karsten: Logs? |
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| 02:30.37 | karsten | beardy: Naw, couldn't be. |
| 02:30.47 | beardy | karsten: Why not? |
| 02:30.51 | karsten | beardy: They're binary format. What specifically and what's a sane retention policy. |
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| 02:31.04 | oritemis | thingfish: Is downloading now, I believie will work. Any way, if have time, can you explain me how to install a application from binnaries? There are a default way? |
| 02:31.32 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, when i do "dpkg --purge proftpd-mysql" it says unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/proftpd not found. |
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| 02:31.35 | NitinShantharam | dpkg: error processing proftpd-mysql (--purge): and it crashes.. can anyone save me :( |
| 02:31.45 | nrdb | is there another group that might be able to help with a RAID problem? |
| 02:32.21 | houn | What package contains modprobe? |
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| 02:32.36 | houn | nvm |
| 02:33.11 | beardy | karsten: What's your point? |
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| 02:33.35 | karsten | beardy: They appear to be transaction rollback logs. |
| 02:33.45 | karsten | beardy: If you know specifically what they are, share. If you don't, say so. |
| 02:34.06 | karsten | beardy: They're big, taking up space, and /var is nearly full |
| 02:34.23 | beardy | karsten: Things in /var/log/ should be logs, if they are not, they are misplaced. |
| 02:34.40 | karsten | beardy: *THANK* you for stating the obvious. Please assume I know that. |
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| 02:35.15 | beardy | karsten: If I would assume that, the next person would whine about me assuming things. |
| 02:35.39 | houn | What's the name of the module created by CONFIG_FW_LOADER? It's for hotplug firmware loading support |
| 02:36.03 | karsten | beardy: Well, I've made it clear twice and you're wasting my time. Have a nice day. |
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| 02:36.36 | Crazee_Canuck | karsten: those are "binlogs", I believe for replication |
| 02:36.38 | strider | karsten: beardy is right anyway. they are binary log files |
| 02:36.54 | beardy | I've already considered /ignore a few of your sayings ago.. |
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| 02:38.01 | karsten | Crazee_Canuck: And/or replaying / reversing transactions. Any harm to blowing 'em away after 30 days? |
| 02:38.06 | chrome | guys, how does one add a parameter to a kernel module? In module.conf? Not sure of The Debian Way to do this. |
| 02:38.09 | karsten | Crazee_Canuck: ... and why wouldn't logrotate be doing this? |
| 02:38.52 | prozureus | I am using a medion laptop and I am running sarge and I get an error during installation Something like "No partitionable media were found". I inititally thought it could be because the drive was SATA and that I needed to load some scsi modules but it is an IDE ATA-133 drive. |
| 02:38.55 | prozureus | any ideas? |
| 02:39.00 | karsten | chrome: /etc/modules and elsewhere. man 5 modules |
| 02:39.46 | Crazee_Canuck | karsten: it's not its job ;) tweak the settings in /etc/mysql/my.cnf (like "max_binlog_size"), or comment out the "max_binlog_size" entry to disable the binary logging |
| 02:40.00 | chrome | karsten: ah, its the same :) cheers. |
| 02:40.23 | karsten | chrome: OK. |
| 02:40.26 | karsten | Crazee_Canuck: OK. |
| 02:40.29 | Crazee_Canuck | karsten: with that entry commented out, I don't get those binary logs anymore... |
| 02:40.34 | karsten | chrome: ... Um. NM but OK ;-) |
| 02:40.51 | chrome | karsten: well, its not the same |
| 02:40.58 | chrome | karsten: i'm reading :) |
| 02:40.59 | diana | I want to plug a mic into my laptop and have a lot of people be able to listen to me talking into my mic over the internet.(in ogg preferably) ... anyone have a good program I can use to do this..that is free as in freedom? |
| 02:41.13 | karsten | Crazee_Canuck: Hrm. Mine seems to be set to about a GB. |
| 02:41.13 | prozureus | icecast |
| 02:41.25 | prozureus | diana, icecast will let you do that |
| 02:41.41 | prozureus | you will also need some sorta client to connect to the icecast server. I think darkice or some such thing does that |
| 02:41.54 | diana | thanks prozureus |
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| 02:42.08 | SperMite | hows 3.5.1 running? |
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| 02:42.14 | diana | houn: module-init-tools, modutils |
| 02:42.16 | karsten | Crazee_Canuck: ... er, 100 MB. Cut to 10. |
| 02:42.18 | Crazee_Canuck | karsten: yeah, that's the default...if you only have one MySQL server, I think the binary logging may be useless (STFW would say for sure though) |
| 02:42.20 | diana | houn: You need to be root to use the modprobe command. |
| 02:42.25 | k-man | so whats the word on when 0.19 will be out? |
| 02:42.49 | houn | diana: Yeah, I found it. Was using sudo, but neglecting that /sbin isn't in my user path |
| 02:43.01 | houn | ;D |
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| 02:43.55 | GenneX | hey people |
| 02:44.38 | GenneX | can any tell me if there is a .deb file for gtk+-2.8.10 or one close to that ? |
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| 02:45.24 | Guerin | GenneX: use apt. |
| 02:45.29 | karsten | Crazee_Canuck: That's more or less my read. I think this is here for one of the web-based tools I've got, Drupal, etc., installed. |
| 02:45.30 | ultraviolet16 | has anyone reported a bug in debian testing with gnome? |
| 02:46.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:46.21 | Amarande | is "tmpfs on /dev" devfs? |
| 02:46.40 | karsten | ultraviolet16: No, nobody, never. |
| 02:46.43 | karsten | !tell ultraviolet16 about bts |
| 02:46.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:46.47 | chrome | The answer to my question is: Create a file in /etc/modprobe.d, preferably with the name of the module, and put a line in that file like "options <modulename> <options>" :) |
| 02:46.48 | karsten | ultraviolet16: Search it. |
| 02:47.03 | chrome | if you are using 2.6 |
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| 02:47.21 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: are you serious ? |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0 sid |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | bah .. that is it called |
| 02:48.00 | ultraviolet16 | . ah it's libgtk2.0 |
| 02:48.13 | Amarande | actually, to be more specific |
| 02:48.23 | Amarande | does etch use udev, devfs, or none of the above? |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | it can use udev |
| 02:48.49 | Amarande | I'm wondering why my sequencer device nodes are missing |
| 02:48.49 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: is there a patch or something? |
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| 02:48.56 | Amarande | even though the sequencer module is clearly there in lsmod |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: what are you talking about ? |
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| 02:49.08 | ultraviolet16 | !info libgtk2.0 sid |
| 02:49.22 | pawdro | can i somehow watch streams in windows media player in firefox? |
| 02:49.25 | ultraviolet16 | i thought that was referring to me |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:49.30 | ultraviolet16 | damn. |
| 02:49.35 | prozureus | I am using a medion laptop and I am running sarge and I get an error during installation Something like "No partitionable media were found". I inititally thought it could be because the drive was SATA and that I needed to load some scsi modules but it is an IDE ATA-133 drive. |
| 02:49.38 | prozureus | any ideas? |
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| 02:49.54 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-0 sid |
| 02:49.58 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2115 kB, Installed size: 4648 kB |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | GenneX: ^^ |
| 02:50.25 | relic | hi all |
| 02:50.35 | ultraviolet16 | anyone have any idea how to figure out what my problem is and how to fix it.. I know it's a crazy question, but.. |
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| 02:50.38 | ultraviolet16 | I have no idea |
| 02:50.39 | Amarande | basically, ALSA keeps saying it can't open the sequencer even though kernel support is present |
| 02:50.42 | strider | ultraviolet16: wgy, what's th |
| 02:50.48 | redphoenix1 | hello i ran chkrootkit a couple min ago and it told me this |
| 02:50.50 | redphoenix1 | Searching for LPD Worm files and dirs... Possible LPD worm installed |
| 02:50.52 | Amarande | it just says ALSA lib seq_hw.c:455:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 02:50.55 | SperMite | what etch iso do i download off the debian site?? |
| 02:51.13 | redphoenix1 | i checked for bitlbee and its not installed |
| 02:51.16 | redphoenix1 | it once was |
| 02:51.18 | strider | SperMite: use the netinstall |
| 02:51.19 | redphoenix1 | but not anymore |
| 02:51.23 | ultraviolet16 | strider: i have no idea what you just said. |
| 02:51.41 | redphoenix1 | would it still be a false positive if it was once installed? |
| 02:52.13 | strider | ultraviolet16: accidently pressed enter. what's the bug you're facing |
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| 02:52.24 | danrez | i would like to install debian here but there are 15 binary isos.. which of those have I to download?? |
| 02:52.24 | redphoenix1 | or do i really have a worm on my system |
| 02:52.29 | pramz | Amarande: try modprobe snd-seq |
| 02:52.34 | redphoenix1 | i have been getting port scans comming out of my system |
| 02:52.38 | ultraviolet16 | after i installed gimp, along with some libraries from testing that I think are causing the issue.. |
| 02:52.41 | redphoenix1 | for the last couple days |
| 02:52.45 | SperMite | strider 143mbs? why so little |
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| 02:52.51 | Crazee_Canuck | SperMite: try http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:52.58 | redphoenix1 | and i dont kno what to do |
| 02:53.01 | redphoenix1 | can somone help? |
| 02:53.01 | ultraviolet16 | my gnome desktop has.. a bunch of lags i guess, i don't know how to explain it |
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| 02:53.13 | strider | SperMite: it is a net install. it installs the base and then gets the rest from the net |
| 02:53.34 | SperMite | strider ok |
| 02:54.02 | strider | ultraviolet16: someone had icon and theme related issues with the upgrades today over at ##gnome |
| 02:54.24 | ultraviolet16 | strider: I'll try explaining the problem better. WHen i drag a window the window stays lagging behind, as if it were stuck in the background |
| 02:55.08 | strider | hmm, don't know about that |
| 02:55.32 | SperMite | whats the differece from using the etch beta and installing debian from a sarge iso and changing the sources? |
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| 02:55.57 | Zodo | Evening, all. I was just trying to set up some packet prioritization through iptables on Sarge, only to get an odd error. "iptables table 'MANGLE': Table does not exist". I've check that all of the proper iptables modules are listed with lsmod, and I don't get any errors with "iptables -L -t mangle"...has anyone come across this issue before? |
| 02:56.16 | strider | SperMite: you get etch either way. |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | ohnoes! .. buffer overflow in winamp playlist! |
| 02:57.03 | Zodo | abrotman: The quickest solution is just to download a patched in_mp3.dll, rather than getting a whole new version of winamp. |
| 02:57.03 | SperMite | strider although with the etch it comes with the 2.6.12 kernel correct? |
| 02:57.08 | SperMite | beta |
| 02:57.09 | aalex | ultraviolet16: well, do you have a recent machine? are you on unstable? |
| 02:57.24 | strider | SperMite: that is correct |
| 02:57.27 | diana | k, I got bored so I am taking my running perfectly testing system that has no problems and runs beautifully...and I'm dist-upgrading it to sid. |
| 02:57.36 | SperMite | strider ok thanks |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | Zodo: where are you? |
| 02:57.43 | Crazee_Canuck | redphoenix1: try chkrootkit or rkhunter. If you truly think your system may have been compromised, I'd suggest formatting and reinstalling. Once a system is compromised, all bets are off |
| 02:57.45 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: I'm runing stable, and this is a new machine. |
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| 02:58.02 | strider | SperMite: if you don't want to download the entire sarge cd to go to etch, use the netinstall |
| 02:58.06 | aalex | SperMite: well, installing etch right away is easier than switching... but i thing there is no much of a differnece. debian is very up/down/gradable |
| 02:58.10 | ultraviolet16 | i installed kde and it doesn't happen in kde |
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| 02:58.22 | Zodo | Where? SF Bay area. Why do you ask? |
| 02:58.37 | abrotman | Zodo: you're in #debian .. does debian include WinAMP ? |
| 02:58.37 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: if debian is downgradeable, how can I install stable? |
| 02:58.38 | aalex | ultraviolet : maybe try to upgrade the packages? |
| 02:58.47 | ultraviolet16 | .. i'll try. |
| 02:58.48 | Zodo | I run two machines. |
| 02:58.55 | aalex | ultraviolet16: you are on testing? |
| 02:58.56 | redphoenix1 | Crazee_Canuck: i did run both and chkrootkit gave me that |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | Zodo: i was just making a joke .. i thought the ohnoes would have been enough of a hint :) |
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| 02:59.04 | Zodo | Oh, alright. |
| 02:59.12 | Zodo | Just spewing useless information. Never know. |
| 02:59.15 | redphoenix1 | that its a possible worm |
| 02:59.27 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: yes, testing |
| 02:59.47 | ultraviolet16 | is there a way to go back to stable? I think not right? |
| 02:59.53 | aalex | ultraviolet16: I think that you just need to change the sources back to stable, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, but i might miss a point |
| 03:00.08 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: I don't think that works.. i'm not sure.. |
| 03:00.13 | aalex | ultraviolet16: of course you can with debian |
| 03:00.24 | ultraviolet16 | i don't think debian was meant for back-grading |
| 03:00.29 | strider | ultraviolet16: not advisable to downgrade |
| 03:00.31 | aalex | ultraviolet16: yes it soes, but i might miss a step |
| 03:00.46 | ultraviolet16 | strider: well major problems happen? |
| 03:00.56 | strider | ultraviolet16: try changing the wm from metacity to say something like openbox or kwin |
| 03:01.08 | thingfish | !downgrade |
| 03:01.08 | dpkg | somebody said downgrade was not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 03:01.22 | ultraviolet16 | I know fluxbox works, but I got gnome runing exactly how I wanted it, took a lot of work and now this. |
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| 03:01.45 | deepfrze | I'm having trouble getting a Media Player to work but I can play CD's through my sound card. There is nothing in /dev/sndstat but Kmix recognizes my sound cards (2 - one on board chip). Anyone know what I'm missing? |
| 03:01.52 | aalex | ultraviolet16: try to upgrade... |
| 03:01.52 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: see.. i read that before, a long time ago.. |
| 03:02.06 | ultraviolet16 | upgrade to unstable? |
| 03:02.15 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: ^^ |
| 03:02.52 | aalex | ultraviolet16: no, I just though maybe that your gnome package had a bug fix... but I think in unstable... :-) |
| 03:02.55 | ultraviolet16 | sounds like i'll be making my computer into a timebomg |
| 03:02.56 | ultraviolet16 | mb |
| 03:03.12 | ultraviolet16 | in unstable. |
| 03:03.25 | ultraviolet16 | damn, but then things like my webserver, sql database.. |
| 03:03.32 | ultraviolet16 | not to mention all sorts of other things.. |
| 03:03.34 | aalex | well, mine is ok, from time to time... ;-) |
| 03:03.42 | ultraviolet16 | haha, you run unstable? |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | e |
| 03:03.45 | abrotman | n |
| 03:03.45 | aalex | yes |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | t |
| 03:03.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:03.58 | aalex | ent? |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | e |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | r |
| 03:04.07 | aalex | enter, ah |
| 03:04.19 | ultraviolet16 | .. hell i guess i'll try unstable. |
| 03:04.33 | aalex | ultraviolet16: i was just saying something else |
| 03:04.51 | strider | you could also try creating a new user, and see |
| 03:04.51 | aalex | ultraviolet16: first, try to just do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 03:04.52 | ultraviolet16 | aalex: but what type of bugs do you encounter? |
| 03:05.17 | ultraviolet16 | strider: you mean making a new user to run debian unstable? |
| 03:05.23 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:05.24 | aalex | then, ultraviolet16, try to back up your gnome config and create a new one... |
| 03:05.34 | Amarande | anyone know if there's a command to force X to regain control of the mouse if it's lost it? |
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| 03:05.43 | Amarande | I was playing a game in dosbox, which hung and had to be killed |
| 03:05.46 | Amarande | and my mouse pointer won't move |
| 03:05.50 | aalex | then, i would listen to what strider told you ^^^, ultraviolet16 |
| 03:06.19 | brett | hey did apt's key change again? |
| 03:06.39 | ultraviolet16 | i'm just going to run unstable. |
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| 03:06.44 | ultraviolet16 | i'm feeling risky. |
| 03:06.46 | beardy | Amarande: Restart X. |
| 03:06.47 | brett | I added the "new" key per dpkg's instructions |
| 03:07.05 | ultraviolet16 | and excited |
| 03:07.10 | Amarande | beardy: some sort of command to do that from within X? |
| 03:07.16 | ruser | hrm.. any idea why my vim is not able to set colorschemes after i upgraded the package to 1:6.4-006+2 |
| 03:07.21 | Amarande | it's rather annoying to have to restart all applications every time certain ones fail |
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| 03:07.46 | Amarande | I do still have an xterm open, if that will do me any good |
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| 03:08.27 | deepfrze | I'm having trouble getting a Media Player to work but I can play CD's through my sound card. There is nothing in /dev/sndstat but Kmix recognizes my sound cards (2 - one on board chip). Anyone know what I'm missing? |
| 03:08.36 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, for soem reason proftpd immediatly disconnects me after i login to my server.. any ideas on what can be wrong? |
| 03:08.53 | beardy | Amarande: Not without you having to login, or startx again, no. |
| 03:08.53 | Crazee_Canuck | redphoenix1: sorry, just read that. It *could* be a false positive.... try "dpkg -l bitlbee", if it shows "rc" in the first column, it's probably finding the config files and freaking out |
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| 03:09.03 | ultraviolet16 | deepfrze: you might not have the cdrom cable connected to the cdrom dirve |
| 03:09.04 | ultraviolet16 | drive |
| 03:09.27 | ultraviolet16 | in that case you need to tell the cpu to parse the analog cd audio to digital |
| 03:09.28 | Amarande | beardy: any plans for such features in the future? :) |
| 03:09.39 | ultraviolet16 | look around for an option to use cpu or something |
| 03:09.41 | deepfrze | ultraviolet16: CD works fine |
| 03:09.45 | Amarande | or would that require more than just a new X server, it might require X11 to give way to X12 or something |
| 03:09.46 | ultraviolet16 | cd audio |
| 03:09.51 | redphoenix1 | Crazee_Canuck: no rc in that |
| 03:10.03 | jeanseb | hello, when logging out of kde, gnome, how to automatically shut down th ecomputer? |
| 03:10.16 | Crazee_Canuck | redphoenix1: sorry, I have NFC then :/ |
| 03:10.33 | redphoenix1 | going to format tomorrow |
| 03:10.37 | redphoenix1 | shutting computer off |
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| 03:10.47 | ruser | hrm.. any idea why my vim is not able to set colorschemes after i upgraded the package to 1:6.4-006+2.. this is irritating :((( |
| 03:10.47 | Crazee_Canuck | redphoenix1: good luck with that |
| 03:10.55 | redphoenix1 | ty |
| 03:10.55 | malf | NitinShantharam chances are proftpd isn't set up correctly to allow your account access |
| 03:10.55 | malf | NitinShantharam I can go take a look at some conf files I have handy in a sec if you'd like |
| 03:10.56 | redphoenix1 | :) |
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| 03:11.24 | topaz | NitinShantharam, why are you asking for help in #debian AND #ubuntu? |
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| 03:11.45 | Crazee_Canuck | deepfrze: http://www.itx-warehouse.co.uk/ProductImages/CDROM_AudioC.jpg <-- that cable :D |
| 03:12.02 | jeanseb | ? |
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| 03:12.48 | deepfrze | Crazee_Canuck: my CD sound works fine...it is trying to play sound through a Media Player that doesn't work. |
| 03:12.49 | malf | topaz I think the more important question is why am I offering help with configs from a solaris 10 server |
| 03:12.59 | jeanseb | the greater and less than keys on my keyboard are not recognized |
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| 03:14.13 | abrotman | pick another keyboard layout |
| 03:14.20 | beardy | !keymap |
| 03:14.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 03:14.24 | jeanseb | abrotman: how do I do this? |
| 03:14.30 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:14.30 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:15.02 | Crazee_Canuck | deepfrze: gotcha (usually that lil' cable is the problem since most brand-name PCs don't have that cable hooked up)...sorry for stating the obvious..*sigh* |
| 03:15.31 | topaz | !xorg |
| 03:15.31 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.9. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 03:15.59 | Amarande | That was odd. |
| 03:16.06 | Amarande | You can't have both hotplug and GNOME on the same machine? |
| 03:16.18 | malf | hah |
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| 03:16.54 | Guerin | Amarande: not since udev took over hotplug functionality, and gnome required udev |
| 03:16.58 | strider | Amarande: unstable? |
| 03:16.59 | abrotman | Amarande: gnome depends on udev |
| 03:17.05 | bucky | Amarande, gnome depends on hal which depends on udev which conflicts with devfs |
| 03:17.08 | abrotman | strider: all versions now |
| 03:17.08 | useruser | how do i run a script (which takes options from the command line) to be interpreted by php? |
| 03:17.23 | Amarande | strider: etch |
| 03:17.30 | strider | hmm, that's interesting |
| 03:17.30 | Amarande | ahh, udev does what hotplug used to |
| 03:17.43 | Amarande | so etch doesn't use devfs at all, then |
| 03:17.46 | Guerin | why the hell would you write a command line script using php |
| 03:17.47 | Napoledno | How do I set up a network between two Linux boxes? They're already going through a router and everything. |
| 03:17.54 | jeanseb | abrotman: tried all the configurations. None work. I have logitech cordless |
| 03:17.57 | Amarande | so that means upgrading to 2.6.15 or whatnot -won't- result in massive loss of device nodes? |
| 03:18.00 | Guerin | Amarande: correct. |
| 03:18.09 | abrotman | jeanseb: check the X FAQ ? |
| 03:18.12 | Guerin | Amarande: correct in theory. |
| 03:18.12 | abrotman | !XSF |
| 03:18.12 | dpkg | i heard xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 03:18.24 | Guerin | Amarande: in practice, I've found that 2.6.12 is still sanest. |
| 03:18.33 | deepfrze | Crazee_Canuck: got it...forgot alsaconf...thanks |
| 03:18.40 | Amarande | guerin: as long as my USB mouse continues to be recognized, I suppose it will be. |
| 03:18.50 | Guerin | well |
| 03:18.57 | Amarande | I did read one site saying that kernels below 2.6.13 have a USB timing issue that can result in USB devices sometimes not being seen |
| 03:18.59 | Guerin | usb in this day and age is pretty hard to fuck up |
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| 03:19.07 | Guerin | acpi bugginess notwithstanding |
| 03:19.15 | deepfrze | ultraviolet16: got it, thanks, forgot alsaconf |
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| 03:19.33 | jeanseb | !set up x |
| 03:19.33 | dpkg | i guess set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 03:19.38 | Tidus | i have a question. I have apt 0.6.43.1 installed, which should include the 2006 key, but it's still giving me the 'key not found' error. should i just do the manual key add step? |
| 03:19.44 | abrocadabro | how do I know if tomcat is running or not? |
| 03:19.46 | Guerin | Tidus: yes. |
| 03:19.51 | abrotman | Tidus: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 03:20.01 | Guerin | Amarande: you'd look at the output of ps and/or netstat |
| 03:20.07 | Tidus | Guerin: thank you, and abrotman: yes i have. twice, maybe 3 times. |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 03:20.40 | Tidus | abrotman: understandable. |
| 03:20.47 | abrotman | i'd kill me |
| 03:20.48 | beardy | abrocadabro: pgrep tomcat |
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| 03:21.42 | malf | Tidus: I had the same issue and am in the process of getting past it |
| 03:21.43 | malf | Tidus: I'll let you know if I come across anything peculiar |
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| 03:22.06 | Tidus | malf: thank you |
| 03:22.12 | Napoledno | How do I set up a network between two Linux boxes? They're already going through a router and everything. |
| 03:22.15 | abrotman | also consider your mirror may not have the correct keys |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | Napoledno: what kind of network ? |
| 03:22.54 | Napoledno | home network |
| 03:22.58 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 03:23.03 | abrotman | like .. to share files or what ? |
| 03:23.03 | Napoledno | Yeah ^_^ |
| 03:23.08 | Guerin | Napoledno: you already have one. Have a beer. |
| 03:23.14 | Napoledno | yeah file sharing. |
| 03:23.21 | Tidus | abrotman: i'm using http://debian.osuosl.org |
| 03:23.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:23.28 | abrotman | Napoledno: NFS, samba, ftp, scp .. many ways |
| 03:23.41 | Amarande | I think we need to write a mouse-control regainer tool, especially with gaming becoming more popular on linux |
| 03:23.53 | Tidus | abrotman: same mirror i've used for ages for both debian and gentoo |
| 03:23.57 | Amarande | there must be -some- sort of way to do it, even if one has to write a program to do so |
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| 03:24.06 | pacmac | hello |
| 03:24.17 | Tidus | malf: if you do a /msg dpkg 2006 key, the instructions in there work just fine. i just did it, and it got past the key error |
| 03:24.19 | pacmac | Can I renumber partitions with cfdisk without loose data? |
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| 03:24.20 | abrotman | it does only have one key .. but it seems to be the right one |
| 03:24.28 | Amarande | I'm assuming that the mouse 'belongs' normally to the X server process, and this control is mediated in kernelspace? |
| 03:24.40 | Guerin | pacmac: why do you care what partitions are numbered? |
| 03:25.12 | Tidus | Amarande: if i remember right, the mouse device node belongs to the kernel, and X just pokes the kernel to allow use |
| 03:25.26 | malf | Tidus: yeah 's what I'm doing, tragically I'm on dialup and its updating package lists, oh so fun |
| 03:25.32 | Tidus | malf: ouch. |
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| 03:25.40 | Tidus | malf: 5mb down / 256k up cable here |
| 03:25.46 | malf | Tidus: So I didn't have any confirmation yet |
| 03:26.01 | pacmac | Guerin: sorry? |
| 03:26.22 | pacmac | Guerin: my english isn't very well.. what you mean? |
| 03:26.52 | Guerin | pacmac: changing partition numbers is pointless. Why do you want to do it? |
| 03:27.45 | Tidus | i should say that debian etch is one of the most stable distros i've used in a while. |
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| 03:28.36 | Napoledno | ok ok ok ok when I go to unmount cd-rom it says device busy |
| 03:28.36 | e-doll | h |
| 03:28.36 | e-doll | ? |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | malf: get out and push! |
| 03:28.43 | Napoledno | can I make unmount anyway? |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | find out what's using it |
| 03:28.56 | Tidus | Napoledno: yes you can. umount -l /dev/cdrom |
| 03:29.04 | Tidus | it'll do a lazy unmount so you can go ahead and eject. |
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| 03:29.29 | beardy | !wiui Napoledno |
| 03:29.29 | dpkg | Napoledno: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 03:30.20 | malf | abrotman: hah. already am I'm afraid. Every time I do this I consider making my friend with cable do it and driving 5 minutes to get it on cd |
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| 03:30.45 | Tidus | malf: why not just get cable yourself? |
| 03:31.01 | ultraviolet16 | I'm going to upgrade to unstable, but what do I put in my apt sources, unstable or some other name like etch or sid or whateveR? |
| 03:31.07 | pacmac | Guerin: I have free space at the top of my hard disk, so all primary partitions are created |
| 03:31.39 | beardy | ultraviolet16: With a question like that, you shouldn't. |
| 03:31.41 | malf | Tidus: because I may be moving out within the next 6 months or so |
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| 03:31.54 | psychonate | hmm, burning audio CDs in Testing is really painful now without K3B, which has been absent for quite a while :( |
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| 03:32.06 | abrotman | psychonate: use something else |
| 03:32.11 | ultraviolet16 | beardy: I knew people were going to say that, but i'm having a problem with my testing install and I'm just going to try unstable for a few days before I format |
| 03:32.34 | psychonate | I would like to, but everything I've tried either sucks, doesn't offer what I need, or just plain doesn't work |
| 03:32.54 | abrotman | odd .. seems to work fine for me :) |
| 03:32.57 | psychonate | gtoaster crashes as soon as it runs |
| 03:33.07 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: you use gnome? |
| 03:33.07 | abrotman | gnomebaker i think was the last thing i used |
| 03:33.11 | psychonate | arson is having a problem with sox |
| 03:33.20 | pacmac | Guerin: is it dangerous? |
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| 03:34.35 | Guerin | pacmac: any time you fuck with partition tables, you risk losing data. And since it's a worthless exercise, yes, it's dasngerous. |
| 03:34.36 | psychonate | abrotman, gnomebaker looks good, but I see no options for normalize |
| 03:34.39 | arcskon | How do I load Java Network Launched Application in linux ? |
| 03:34.40 | psychonate | :( |
| 03:34.49 | Guerin | arcskon: ask sun |
| 03:34.50 | abrotman | psychonate: if i only knew what that was .. maybe i could help :) |
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| 03:35.09 | arcskon | Guerin: does that mean...it's not possible? |
| 03:35.20 | psychonate | abrotman, it makes all the volume levels the same for the tracks (useful if the tracks are from different sources) |
| 03:35.22 | Guerin | arcskon: it means 'this is not a java support channel' |
| 03:35.33 | abrotman | psychonate: oh . for people who pirate music .. that's why i don't know what it is :) |
| 03:36.12 | khvatov | arcskon it is possible |
| 03:36.19 | abrotman | psychonate: maybe it just does it ? |
| 03:36.21 | psychonate | abrotman, not necessarily. I rip many of my discs, and if I want to make a mix, I generally use the audiofiles already on my HDD |
| 03:36.28 | abrotman | psychonate: sure sure :) |
| 03:36.49 | khvatov | you can run the application from java control panel |
| 03:36.52 | psychonate | abrotman, we'll compromise; sometimes they are my tracks, sometimes not heh |
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| 03:37.45 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 03:37.56 | Guerin | suddenly no programs can look up any nameservers |
| 03:38.05 | abrotman | psychonate: like i said .. maybe it just does it .. but i dont' know . |
| 03:38.06 | Guerin | except 'dig' and 'host' are still working normally |
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| 03:38.34 | abrotman | psychonate: what about eroaster ? |
| 03:38.58 | abrotman | psychonate: you could also file a wishlist bug |
| 03:39.16 | ultraviolet16 | what's the difference between having testing and etch in your sources.list? |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | testing .. etch |
| 03:39.29 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: nothing, currently/ |
| 03:39.34 | abrotman | one will always be etch .. testing will change |
| 03:39.44 | De_Mon | debian isn't generating core dumps... ulimit -c is at 102400, I duno what else could be preventing them |
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| 03:39.58 | zinx | De_Mon: write permission to . |
| 03:40.07 | De_Mon | zinx oh, I was looking in /tmp |
| 03:40.08 | xpato | how do you call the @ symbol in english? |
| 03:40.13 | De_Mon | just found them! |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | at |
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| 03:40.15 | abrotman | each |
| 03:40.28 | De_Mon | zinx how do I specify where they are dumped |
| 03:40.33 | xpato | thx |
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| 03:40.35 | zinx | De_Mon: they are dumped to . |
| 03:40.48 | zinx | De_Mon: change where . is if you want them somewhere else. |
| 03:40.51 | ultraviolet16 | abrotman: i figured that much. But, I had testing in my sources, ran apt-get update, it updated, upgraded a bunch of stuff and then i added etch to it and hit upgrade and it listed a jillion packages and it said "the current packages will be held back" |
| 03:41.13 | psychonate | I am surprised though that K3B is not yet back into Testing |
| 03:41.59 | De_Mon | err.. I though I was somewhere else |
| 03:42.14 | De_Mon | zinx much gracias |
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| 03:43.26 | gau | how do i change my default window manager from xfce to kde ? |
| 03:43.49 | gau | !dpkg win |
| 03:43.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, win is lose. |
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| 03:45.49 | ctrler | hi, im using stable, and with the last security update to sudo, i cant execute GUI apps from sudo |
| 03:45.55 | sts9 | does scp from ssh require both machines to have a ssh server set up? |
| 03:46.01 | ctrler | is there a fix for this now? |
| 03:46.01 | houn | Is there a way to use dpkg to view all the kernels I have installed? |
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| 03:48.22 | Crazee_Canuck | houn: dpkg -l linux-image* |grep ^i or dpkg -l kernel-image* |grep ^i |
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| 03:49.11 | oritemis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:50.15 | abrotman | oritemis: cvs ? |
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| 03:51.45 | astronut | abrotman: ha! 35! |
| 03:51.46 | oritemis | abrotman: Currenct Version System, used to control versions in collaborative sorftware development |
| 03:51.59 | abrotman | astronut: and not even any advertising today |
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| 03:52.08 | astronut | abrotman: made my friend sign |
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| 03:52.10 | abrotman | oritemis: i'm aware of what it is .. why not use cvs ? |
| 03:52.13 | gpm | any way to uninstall any/all modules i've installed via cpan? |
| 03:52.15 | major_ | I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade. When I boot I notice that udev fails saying I need a kernel >= 2.6.7 (I think) and I know I have a kernel greater than that. Now when I try to load gdm it fails, saying there is no pointing device (I have a usb mouse). Can anyone help? |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | gpm: ask #perl |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | mousedev |
| 03:52.49 | houn | Crazee_Canuck: Thanks, but what's the grep ^i? |
| 03:52.52 | abrotman | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 03:52.57 | abrotman | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 03:53.09 | oritemis | abrotman: I am sorry, I misuntertood. Thank's, I will. |
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| 03:53.24 | Supaplex | dpkg -i matrix-universe-datafiles |
| 03:53.31 | Supaplex | YES! |
| 03:53.35 | Crazee_Canuck | houn: ^i shows only installed items |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | oritemis: if that fails .. apt-cache search cvs :) |
| 03:53.40 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 03:53.54 | Supaplex | good day sir |
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| 03:54.01 | Crazee_Canuck | houn: ^ = "beginning of the line" in regex |
| 03:54.02 | oritemis | abrotman: I will try. |
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| 03:54.28 | houn | Crazee_Canuck: Ah, gotcha |
| 03:54.32 | houn | Thanks again |
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| 03:54.58 | Crazee_Canuck | houn: np :) |
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| 03:59.54 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:59.55 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 04:03.09 | nixie | hmm. im evaluating my mailscanner performance on my mailserver. i've always used sophossavi; would clamav be any faster? performance is an issue at the moment. |
| 04:03.23 | astronut | who wrote that? |
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| 04:03.43 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 04:03.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
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| 04:03.55 | abrotman | nixie: you'd have to try it and see |
| 04:04.03 | meriad_ | my cdrw is broken, and it linux wont detect it.. it used to wokr but now it doesnt werk.. i know this is really vague, but i';ve read the CDR howto from TLDP without much luck and im wondering how i can go about fixing my cdrw? |
| 04:04.12 | astronut | !whoset moo |
| 04:04.20 | astronut | !info moo |
| 04:04.30 | abrotman | !tell astronut about factinfo moo |
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| 04:04.46 | astronut | ah, thanks |
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| 04:05.03 | astronut | someone needs to write a dpkg guide (not dpkg(1) but dpkg(bot)) |
| 04:05.23 | topaz | !abrotman |
| 04:05.23 | dpkg | well, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 04:05.33 | meriad_ | hehe i like Peter Griffin |
| 04:05.38 | meriad_ | "I have to draw you.." |
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| 04:06.20 | Amarande | y'know, over all these times I've used debian |
| 04:06.25 | abrotman | !tell astronut about help |
| 04:06.30 | Amarande | I have to wonder if dpkg's man page ought to be (8), not (1) |
| 04:06.41 | astronut | abrotman: not a nice concise and organized guide :-P |
| 04:06.50 | abrotman | hey .. i tried! |
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| 04:07.13 | meriad_ | werd |
| 04:07.20 | meriad_ | nooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww.. my problem? :> |
| 04:07.26 | astronut | lol |
| 04:08.02 | astronut | meriad_: go see if bios detects it |
| 04:08.09 | meriad_ | astronut hehe |
| 04:08.10 | meriad_ | it does :) |
| 04:08.15 | meriad_ | its all being detected |
| 04:08.17 | astronut | what about your boot log? |
| 04:08.19 | meriad_ | yes |
| 04:08.21 | meriad_ | its all good |
| 04:08.21 | astronut | dmesg? |
| 04:08.23 | meriad_ | yes |
| 04:08.26 | astronut | but what doesn't work? |
| 04:08.33 | meriad_ | cdrecord -scanbus |
| 04:08.36 | meriad_ | doesnt find the device |
| 04:08.41 | meriad_ | im wondering if there are too many modules loaded |
| 04:08.51 | oritemis | CVS |
| 04:08.54 | meriad_ | or one of them is conflicting with the scsi emulation or the device in /dev isnt pointing properly to a scsi device.. |
| 04:08.58 | oritemis | sorry. |
| 04:09.27 | meriad_ | oritemis we use CVS as our framework at our ofifce :> concurrent versions ssysetme |
| 04:09.35 | meriad_ | oritemis you need help with it? |
| 04:10.48 | meriad_ | astronut so...? :> |
| 04:10.52 | oritemis | meriad_: Thanks by the offer. I am trying install the gcvs, witch apparently is a gui frontend to cvs, I am right? |
| 04:11.02 | meriad_ | oritemis never used it |
| 04:11.02 | astronut | meriad_: not sure |
| 04:11.07 | meriad_ | astronut i knwo its aksfjkasdfj |
| 04:11.08 | astronut | it's late here, and i'm not fully in it |
| 04:11.11 | meriad_ | haha |
| 04:11.14 | meriad_ | it cant be that complicated |
| 04:11.18 | meriad_ | im just screwing somethign simple up |
| 04:11.20 | meriad_ | im sure of it |
| 04:11.26 | astronut | :-/s |
| 04:11.27 | oritemis | meriad_: You use just by command line? |
| 04:11.27 | astronut | sorry |
| 04:11.34 | meriad_ | oritemis yes |
| 04:11.36 | astronut | maybe i'll help you tommorow if it's nto fixed |
| 04:11.37 | meriad_ | oritemis i use svn too |
| 04:11.38 | ansong | i've been having some font difficulties in the last couple of days. fonts are fine in kde apps, but gnome based apps like xchat, firefox, and evolution have this enormous font. i run kde on sid |
| 04:11.40 | meriad_ | oritemis subverssion |
| 04:12.31 | malf | meriad_ is it actually a scsi device or just ATAPI or whatever pretending? |
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| 04:14.09 | ansong | i have run gnome-control-center and changed the dpi on all the fonts there from 96 to 90. however, after a reboot they go back to a large font until i open the font applet from gnome-control-center again. is anyone else having this problem? |
| 04:14.15 | meriad_ | malf ya its emulating |
| 04:14.19 | meriad_ | malf its not an actaul scsi device |
| 04:14.27 | meriad_ | malf but as im sure you realize, you need to emulate a scsi writer in linux |
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| 04:15.15 | sts9 | can I compile a kernel for a different machine on my machine? --- aka: will gcc use any pentium 4 optimizations that will screw with the kernel when its moved to a PII machine? |
| 04:15.31 | meriad_ | sts9 no |
| 04:15.32 | meriad_ | sts9 bad idea |
| 04:15.37 | meriad_ | sts9 its not guaranteed to work |
| 04:15.40 | meriad_ | I mean you can, technically |
| 04:15.43 | meriad_ | but its pretty silly.. |
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| 04:15.48 | Amarande | sts9: probably best to specify a basic 386 as the CPU, if you absolutely must do that |
| 04:16.06 | meriad_ | Amarande thats going to cause all sorts of hardware issues |
| 04:16.17 | meriad_ | Amarande thats like installing Windows XP on a harddrive and moving it to another machine |
| 04:16.21 | nevyn | ummm this should work no problem. |
| 04:16.28 | meriad_ | nevyn not so |
| 04:16.35 | x-[Kaiser]-x | hi, Ive just installed debian Sarge 3.1 again (2.6 kernel), how do I upgrade it to etch? |
| 04:16.35 | kspath | hmm I guess I missed abrotman again |
| 04:16.38 | nevyn | the kernel is configured by hand |
| 04:16.41 | meriad_ | nevyn the hardware/architecture of the unit is entirely different |
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| 04:16.50 | nevyn | meriad_: I don't care |
| 04:16.51 | meriad_ | nevyn dude |
| 04:16.58 | meriad_ | nevyn i dont care what you say its not true dont say shit |
| 04:16.58 | nevyn | I can build a kernel for an arm machine on my pIV |
| 04:17.04 | meriad_ | nevyn of coures you can |
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| 04:17.09 | meriad_ | nevyn im not saying you cant do it |
| 04:17.16 | malf | meriad_ yeah just making sure it was emulating so I didn't start talking nonsense, what modules are up and running in that direction? |
| 04:17.27 | meriad_ | nevyn its not a good idea however because there are alot of thigns you arent thinking of i.e modules/libraries/kernel image etc.. |
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| 04:17.40 | x-[Kaiser]-x | ...anyone? :/ |
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| 04:17.52 | meriad_ | nevyn you'd stil have to build the modules ont he other machine |
| 04:17.52 | Amarande | meriad: if you compile for a basic 386, you are basically forcing the kernel compile not to use any sort of newer-CPU optimizations or instructions |
| 04:17.55 | nevyn | meriad_: what the hell are you talking about? you build it to a deb copy the deb over and install it. |
| 04:18.06 | meriad_ | nevyn ya tya |
| 04:18.08 | Amarande | so the kernel should be plain x86 code without any frills |
| 04:18.09 | meriad_ | nevyn fine |
| 04:18.18 | SperMite | what comand do i use to list what audio device im using?? |
| 04:18.19 | meriad_ | Amarande if you ahave to do it |
| 04:18.25 | meriad_ | nevyn could he just use apt then? |
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| 04:18.36 | meriad_ | malf: lemme checlk |
| 04:19.14 | meriad_ | malf: ide-scsi, sr_mod etc.. |
| 04:19.23 | meriad_ | malf sd_mod |
| 04:19.28 | meriad_ | scsi_mod |
| 04:19.32 | nevyn | meriad_: ok.. libraries.. the kernel is built statically it doesn't depend on any libraries (we'd all be in trouble if it did) |
| 04:19.35 | meriad_ | cdrom |
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| 04:19.59 | Rodietze | nite :) |
| 04:20.06 | meriad_ | malf: cdrom etc.. |
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| 04:20.10 | nevyn | meriad_: you contend that the kernel build process does hardware detection which it doesn't (or can be configured not to do) |
| 04:20.12 | meriad_ | malf: ide-detect |
| 04:20.58 | meriad_ | nevyn: ok, ok, i cave ok? please i really wanna get my issue resolved, another time, I';m sorry |
| 04:20.58 | junix-other | i need to setup a forum on my server, what is the best to use? |
| 04:20.58 | malf | meriad_ what kernel are you running? |
| 04:20.59 | meriad_ | nevyn i got caught up in the moement, and my ego is bigger than my stomach |
| 04:20.59 | meriad_ | nevyn i appologize. |
| 04:20.59 | meriad_ | malfL 2.4.27-2 |
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| 04:21.34 | nevyn | btw you don't need to emulate a scsi writer for cd/dvd burning in linux anymore |
| 04:21.43 | meriad_ | nevyn seriously? |
| 04:21.51 | meriad_ | nevyn boy, i'v;e been out of that for a long time ;> |
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| 04:22.04 | meriad_ | i have been using bsd(s) recently, thats all that is at work heh |
| 04:22.08 | nevyn | cdrecord -d ATAPI:.... stuff has been around since early 2.6 |
| 04:22.10 | meriad_ | nevyn even with 2.4.27-2? |
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| 04:22.19 | meriad_ | nevyn ohhhh 2.6.. |
| 04:22.23 | meriad_ | nevyn im running 2.4.27 |
| 04:22.26 | nevyn | why? |
| 04:22.36 | SperMite | what comand do i use to list what audio device im using?? modprobe -R snd-pcm-oss and i still have no sound |
| 04:22.42 | meriad_ | nevyn *shrugs* i dunno :) |
| 04:22.47 | malf | meriad_ as far as I know those were the modules I used to have to use in that kernel.. I know I had a similar issue though.. wish I could remember what I had to do, sorry I can't be helpful |
| 04:22.51 | Amarande | on the other hand, even Windows XP still needs to emulate SCSI to do a burn in most software |
| 04:23.01 | nevyn | meriad_: sarge can install with 2.6 |
| 04:23.01 | Amarande | I wonder if Vista will stick with that archaic conception too |
| 04:23.13 | meriad_ | nevyn i could apt-get a new kernel if i wanted |
| 04:23.18 | meriad_ | nevyn or even compile a new one.. |
| 04:23.22 | meriad_ | nevyn maybe i'll do that |
| 04:23.38 | x-[Kaiser]-x | what's the new kernel? |
| 04:23.42 | malf | meriad_ yeah 2.6 it's pretty easybut back in 2.4 i'm pretty sure you do need that scsi stuff still |
| 04:23.49 | nevyn | Amarande: all devices in windows are scsi it makes some sense to abstract to the most functional devices |
| 04:24.21 | meriad_ | malf what ver of 2.6 shoudl ig et? any recommendations |
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| 04:24.57 | sts9 | meriad_: I have a machine with 32 megs of ram that keeps failing when I compile the kernel. proccess killed (cc1) out of memory. its a 166 and its for a router Im setting up |
| 04:25.00 | Amarande | I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't tried to use a linux or BSD core for Vista |
| 04:25.11 | Amarande | Apple switched to a unix core for OS X, soo ... |
| 04:25.27 | SperMite | First i did modprobe snd-pcm-oss, Restarted X then log in Sound totally stoped working,, then i did modprobe -R snd-pcm-oss re started X and still nothing?? |
| 04:25.29 | meriad_ | sts9 okkkk...? |
| 04:25.31 | junix-other | i need to setup a forum on my server, what is the best to use? |
| 04:25.47 | malf | meriad_ i've been doing alright with 2.6.12 lately, gives a few fairly meaningless error messages on boot about some modules that it tries to load that I'm too lazy to fix but |
| 04:26.00 | sts9 | meriad_: so I need to compile it on a another machine |
| 04:26.16 | malf | meriad_ other than that it works great for me. just need an ide_cd module pretty much to get cd burning going |
| 04:26.16 | meriad_ | sts9 ohh :> |
| 04:26.21 | sts9 | meriad_: all I have is a pentium 4, |
| 04:26.26 | meriad_ | malf: k.. |
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| 04:26.34 | TaSo | hey do you know how much b/w a VNC server uses per connection? |
| 04:26.46 | meriad_ | malf: how about 2.6.15? |
| 04:26.48 | meriad_ | malf: :> |
| 04:27.29 | mgg | TaSo: all depends |
| 04:27.34 | TaSo | avg. quality |
| 04:27.43 | malf | meriad_ probably plenty good too. due to my wonderful dialup I'm always hesitant to upgrade anything of any size |
| 04:27.49 | meriad_ | hehe |
| 04:27.51 | psychonate | Is there something similar to 'cat,' but will display files line-by-line rather than string-by-string? |
| 04:27.54 | meriad_ | malf im on fiber cable |
| 04:27.59 | meriad_ | psychonate more, and less |
| 04:28.06 | meriad_ | psychonate cat README | more |
| 04:28.08 | meriad_ | psychonate cat README | less |
| 04:28.16 | meriad_ | psychonate you can even scroll up and down =] |
| 04:28.27 | malf | meriad_ probably gets rid of the useless messages I get too |
| 04:28.31 | psychonate | meriad_, er, but I need something that I can use in like a pipe |
| 04:28.38 | malf | meriad_ marry me |
| 04:28.38 | Supaplex | is there anything that stores the last carp output? |
| 04:28.39 | psychonate | meriad_, not interactive |
| 04:28.44 | meriad_ | psychonate you can |
| 04:29.05 | psychonate | hmm, never tried to use the output from more or less |
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| 04:29.41 | sts9 | meriad_: so what other options are there if I cant compile it on my P4? |
| 04:30.24 | Amarande | meriad: er, you don't have to cat a text file to more or less |
| 04:30.30 | Amarande | you can just do more README or less README |
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| 04:32.05 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Anybody know how to change the keyboard layout and/or how to make apt-get downloads more than one package at a time? thanks... |
| 04:33.19 | major_payne | I just did a "apt-get dist-upgrade", now when I load gnome I get this error "No volume control elements and/or devices found." I have no sound. when I click on volume controle I get the same error. I am using the testing sources, is there anyway I can fix this? |
| 04:33.55 | x-[Kaiser]-x | do you use alsa? |
| 04:34.03 | major_payne | x-[Kaiser]-x, yes |
| 04:34.17 | x-[Kaiser]-x | tried running alsaconf, major_payne? |
| 04:34.52 | major_payne | alsaconf: command not found |
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| 04:35.05 | x-[Kaiser]-x | uh, do you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 04:35.33 | malf | clear |
| 04:35.34 | malf | whiff |
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| 04:35.42 | major_payne | x-[Kaiser]-x, Ahh, no I don't, I am new, I figured it would automadicly set that up with the dist-upgrade |
| 04:35.42 | major_payne | thanks |
| 04:35.54 | stouset | Is there an easy way to figure out which process is thrashing my disk? |
| 04:36.41 | x-[Kaiser]-x | Oh well o.o... first help in my linux life.. now anybody know anything about my question? xD |
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| 04:37.41 | Stereo | does anyone know how you can split a pdf into pages with xpdf, or any other tool? |
| 04:37.57 | dondelelcaro | x-[Kaiser]-x: apt will download one package at a time from each mirror |
| 04:38.18 | x-[Kaiser]-x | so I have to set up different mirrors for getting more downloads? |
| 04:38.28 | dondelelcaro | x-[Kaiser]-x: or just use a faster mirrror |
| 04:38.30 | jetscreamer | it only downloads multiple packages when the package doesn't exist on both servers :( |
| 04:38.30 | abrocadabro | what is the right way to specify JAVA_HOME? export JAVA_HOME= ? |
| 04:38.34 | mungewell | Hi. I'm trying to get XFCE4 using SVG icons..... anyone know how? I have svg for gtk install (so gdk-pixbuf.... thinks!) but it still uses the PNG icons :-( |
| 04:38.48 | dondelelcaro | x-[Kaiser]-x: you should be able to find a mirror which is fast enough to saturate your entire pipe. |
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| 04:39.31 | mungewell | Stereo - have you tried printing to file (maybe just some pages) and then converting the .ps back to .pdf with ps2pdf? |
| 04:39.38 | x-[Kaiser]-x | ah, I see, thanks for that :D |
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| 04:40.31 | major_payne | x-[Kaiser]-x, I just installed the utils and ran the config, it detected my card and said it should be ready, but I still have no sound, I opened a mixer and played with that but nothing happened |
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| 04:41.31 | houn | Advice: What Program do you use to watch TV on Linux? |
| 04:41.50 | x-[Kaiser]-x | major_payne, try running alsamixer and then put all the volumes to the max, make sure your speakers are on and all that stuff, then run alsactl store, and there, it should store the config... try installing (or running) XMMS Player and play some music, it should work... that's as far as my help goes for you, my knowledge is not much :P |
| 04:42.26 | major_payne | x-[Kaiser]-x, ok, I will try all that, thanks |
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| 04:42.58 | Stereo | mungewell: I could pdf2ps with a page range, true |
| 04:43.02 | x-[Kaiser]-x | you're welcome |
| 04:43.02 | bushito | (EE)xf860OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice. no such device, this is stippong me from starting X any help please |
| 04:43.14 | ke6isf | !drxx bushito |
| 04:43.15 | dpkg | bushito: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:43.16 | Stereo | mungewell: I was hoping there'd be some sort of pdf2pdf |
| 04:43.31 | zinx | bushito: what distribution are you running? |
| 04:43.38 | bushito | mmm debian sid |
| 04:43.46 | zinx | bushito: what kernel? |
| 04:43.59 | bushito | i already tryed /dev/psaux and it is same thing.... 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 04:44.09 | zinx | bushito: you somehow screwed up /dev |
| 04:44.12 | ke6isf | Stereo: pdf2pdf? That should be submitted to the department of redundancy department. |
| 04:44.20 | zinx | bushito: or are managing to not load the mouse drivers |
| 04:44.24 | bushito | zinx i did?? =O |
| 04:44.34 | Amarande | does it say 'no such file or directory', or something else? |
| 04:44.37 | zinx | bushito: /dev/input/mice should always exist if the modules are loaded |
| 04:44.37 | bushito | zinx, how can i fix this? -.- |
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| 04:44.45 | Amarande | if it's no such file or directory, you screwed up /dev |
| 04:44.51 | zinx | bushito: *shrug*, you should know if you're running sid :D |
| 04:45.04 | Amarande | if the device file exists but it won't work, then you probably have buggy or not-loaded drivers |
| 04:45.05 | bushito | (O_o) well i am running sid and i dont know |
| 04:45.15 | Amarande | if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't run sid |
| 04:45.20 | zinx | bushito: then you shouldn't be running sid :) |
| 04:45.29 | bushito | but ive always have runned sid |
| 04:45.36 | bushito | but this is the first time it happens =O |
| 04:45.45 | mungewell | Stereo - there apears to be a package called pdfjam (claims to do the same sort of things as psutils). That might contain a use app. |
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| 04:45.58 | zinx | bushito: so you thought it was called unstable for no reason? |
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| 04:46.06 | meriad_ | how can I change my bootloader |
| 04:46.12 | meriad_ | i wanna use lilo as opposed to grub,. |
| 04:46.19 | bushito | zinx unstable is for the packages not for the system itself |
| 04:46.24 | zinx | meriad_: any particular reason why? |
| 04:46.26 | sts9 | ok so if its bad to use "make-kpkg" to build a kernel for a different machine, what are my options? the other machine has too low of ram to compile ther kernel |
| 04:46.43 | zinx | bushito: unstable packages do things like that, though |
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| 04:47.02 | bushito | zinx is a clean install =O i dont think it will be messed up by that |
| 04:47.03 | zinx | bushito: they do things like make mice not work together with X, even though mice work and X work. |
| 04:47.10 | mhall | In X.Org, I tried to use DontZap to disable Ctrl-Alt-BkSp in the ServerLayout section. It doesn't prevent the keystroke from working, and the conflict with a VMWare setting made me crash some important apps. |
| 04:47.25 | bushito | zinx tell me is there a way to fix this or not? |
| 04:47.45 | Napoledno | Playing CD sounds all echoey, using ALSA how do i fix ;( |
| 04:47.58 | Amarande | pdfjam is for making files that cause your printer to jam the paper when printing. :) |
| 04:48.02 | zinx | bushito: i don't know, i'd require much more information than i have, and i don't intend to getting it |
| 04:48.11 | zinx | s/to/on/ |
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| 04:49.22 | Amarande | I wish I could play CDs at all, the Gnome CD player crashes on etch though |
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| 04:49.26 | witless | hello. when i use vi in a "screen" session, ctrl-arrow keys put a hex code on the screen instead of moving the cursor over by one word. ex: pressing ctrl-rightarrow puts a 5C on the screen instead of moving the cursor one word to the right. how can i fix this? |
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| 04:50.24 | ISV-Kran | are experimenting much crashes on testing Amarande? |
| 04:50.27 | ke6isf | witless: Moving between words with Ctrl-Arrow is not correct behavior for a shell session. Try Esc-Arrow instead. |
| 04:50.41 | ke6isf | witless: Wait, strike that solution. |
| 04:50.48 | Stereo | mungewell: pdfjam will let me join pdf files, which is already a good start :D |
| 04:50.52 | ke6isf | witless: Use Esc-B for back in the line, and Esc-F for forward. |
| 04:51.16 | Amarande | ISV: Not especially. |
| 04:51.18 | ke6isf | witless: Wait, never mind. This is vi. Sorry. |
| 04:51.26 | mhall | Stereo: ooh sweet i need that |
| 04:51.32 | Amarande | Gnome's CD player crashes unless, go figure, there's no disc, though. |
| 04:51.48 | Stereo | mhall: I just found pdftk |
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| 04:52.07 | Stereo | mungewell: pdftk does what I want, thanks! |
| 04:52.09 | witless | actually esc-b goes back one word... any way to get the ctrl-arrow keys to work? this is how it works in vi on my machine when i'm not in screen |
| 04:52.25 | mhall | Stereo: i have one that's a scan of a paper form and i want to merge it onto an electronic form |
| 04:52.26 | ke6isf | witless: Heh, I didn't know that - but then I'm an emacs bigot. =^_^= |
| 04:52.31 | mhall | Stereo: what's the syntax? |
| 04:53.04 | ke6isf | witless: Try 'info vi' at a prompt - there seems to be an entry on setting your own keybindings. |
| 04:53.10 | witless | oh well, we all have to choose one of those paths when we encounter that fork in the road |
| 04:53.20 | Napoledno | Playing CD sounds all echoey, using ALSA how do i fix ;( |
| 04:53.21 | nixie | is there a free alternative to milter-ahead? I'm relaying mail for a mailserver on port 2525, but my queue is filling up with "User unknown" because sendmail doesn't know which users are or arent on the destination mailserver. Or is there another way i could handle this? |
| 04:54.04 | mungewell | Napoledno - check in alsamixer that your card '3d' settings are set to minimum. |
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| 04:55.06 | ISV-Kran | it's very unstable etch un thus days? |
| 04:55.39 | dondelelcaro | ISV-Kran: it's testing; it's always changing |
| 04:55.40 | Napoledno | mungewell, all 3d things are at 0 or off .. there are some setting s called VIA DXS should I kill those things? |
| 04:55.53 | mungewell | Napoledno - ??? |
| 04:56.06 | Napoledno | in alsamixer |
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| 04:57.28 | ISV-Kran | changing means inestability? |
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| 04:58.28 | romulo | anyone use wireless here? i cant get my network from linux using iwconfig wlan0 scan |
| 04:59.01 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 04:59.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:59.22 | romulo | ok |
| 04:59.53 | romulo | i execute iwconifg wlan0 scan and i cant get my lan address...configured the interface with ndiswrapper and windows driver and on windows it can get the lan..what should i do? |
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| 05:01.31 | sts9 | ok well everything Ive seen says that a pentium 4 can use make-kpkg and build a kernel for another machine. as long as that machine is 386. make-kpkg doesnt seem to do anythign special on a pentium 4 as opposed to any other x86. so whoever said that was silly, that isnt the case |
| 05:02.57 | sts9 | command dpkg-architecture says DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU=i386 for both my P$ and my 166mhz |
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| 05:03.41 | dusk | question (not really 'debian' related) : how do I switch workspaces in gnome with a keyboard shortcut? |
| 05:04.05 | dusk | m nm |
| 05:04.05 | sts9 | so theoretically I dont see why there should be ANY problem doing this. anyone have experience that suggests otherwise? |
| 05:04.06 | dusk | d |
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| 05:04.44 | mhall | Stereo: that tool whips the llama's ass |
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| 05:05.00 | mhall | Stereo: it even resizes 'funny sized' pdf input to fit the full output page |
| 05:05.34 | mungewell | sts9 - any i86 machine can build for any other i86 (this is a function of gcc) although I don't suggest compiling the kernel on a 386 (did on 486 once....). |
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| 05:08.05 | sts9 | mungewell: right, my 166mhz with 32 megs of RAM bails out from lack of memory. meriad_ and Amarande both said its a bad Idea to use my P4 to compile the kernel for the 166. but I dont see any evidence that shows that its a problem |
| 05:09.12 | sts9 | mungewell: though I am a bit curious as to whether or not I can change make-kpkg to use P4 optimizations when I want it to |
| 05:09.40 | mungewell | sts9 - I compile kernels on P3 for lesser machines all the time, no problem there. Although I don't use the Debian build method..... just make bzImage etc. |
| 05:10.13 | mungewell | sts9 - that 486 was a SX33..... the build took a long time! |
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| 05:11.41 | zptao | sd |
| 05:12.31 | sts9 | mungewell: haha. yeah got this dustbox sitting here with SCSI that I really want to set up a router. VPN would be slick if I can get that working. that is AFTER I figure out iptables. |
| 05:12.53 | dusk | whats a good command line resource meter |
| 05:13.11 | sts9 | mungewell: could be worse. could have been using gentoo |
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| 05:13.52 | mungewell | sts9 - save yourself the hassle and install a specific router distro...... |
| 05:13.53 | loxley | dusk: top, ps |
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| 05:14.07 | King_Brad | on a scale of 1 to 10, (10 being HARD) would it be to setup debin to run as a router ? |
| 05:14.28 | dondelelcaro | 1 |
| 05:14.31 | jbroome | just basic nat / firewalling? |
| 05:14.34 | mungewell | King_Brad - do you mean router or firewall? |
| 05:14.38 | King_Brad | yes basially |
| 05:14.45 | dondelelcaro | install debian; apt-get install ipmasq; done. |
| 05:14.47 | King_Brad | with port fowarding |
| 05:15.02 | jbroome | oh, port fwding.. now you're talking like -2 at least |
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| 05:15.13 | King_Brad | i currently run ClarkConnect Home Edition with a webadmin |
| 05:15.19 | King_Brad | would much rather run debian |
| 05:15.22 | sts9 | mungewell: yeah Ive seen those. Shorewall looks amazing. but Id like to learn how to do it my self. I have a shorewall disk just in case I get fed up ;) |
| 05:15.24 | dondelelcaro | if you're even lazier, /msg dpkg masq |
| 05:15.41 | e-doll | . |
| 05:16.21 | jbroome | <heresy> i hear pf is nice </heresy> |
| 05:16.23 | King_Brad | is thier sometype of remote web interface i can use? |
| 05:16.42 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: no, but most of the remote web interfaces are garbage; you're better off ssh'ing into the box. |
| 05:16.46 | King_Brad | im like uber lazy |
| 05:16.47 | King_Brad | heh |
| 05:16.49 | sts9 | mungewell: at least learn how to fully secure a box and learn some advanced networking concepts |
| 05:16.54 | jbroome | that would defeat the purpose of redoing your current setup |
| 05:16.54 | King_Brad | i gotca |
| 05:17.07 | King_Brad | k |
| 05:17.15 | King_Brad | gotta finsh up this deb install on my new box :) |
| 05:17.21 | King_Brad | playing with plesk |
| 05:17.24 | King_Brad | pain in my ass really |
| 05:17.26 | King_Brad | but fun |
| 05:17.27 | King_Brad | heh |
| 05:17.28 | King_Brad | bbl |
| 05:18.10 | jbroome | !return |
| 05:18.10 | dpkg | it has been said that return is not punctuation |
| 05:18.21 | mungewell | sts9 - how will you KNOW it is secure? Yes, doing shit to learn is a good thing. |
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| 05:19.42 | sts9 | mungewell: well. I guess you dont. but Its just more interesting to learning *nix security when you have something like that your setting up |
| 05:20.17 | King_Brad | security is a very good thing to learn |
| 05:20.18 | King_Brad | :) |
| 05:20.33 | peterS | it's not a "thing to learn", it's lots of things to learn |
| 05:21.07 | King_Brad | tru |
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| 05:22.21 | sts9 | right. I understand that. taking it in steps. first ebtables as a bridge with iptables. then switch to NAT/ipmask. etc |
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| 05:22.32 | Napoledno | how do I add a user into cdrom group? |
| 05:22.37 | gau` | hello all |
| 05:22.40 | peterS | adduser username cdrom |
| 05:22.46 | peterS | where username is a username |
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| 05:23.14 | gau` | how do i change my default to kde ? i am now using xfce ... |
| 05:23.19 | Napoledno | thank you : ) |
| 05:23.39 | gau` | i tried dpkg-reconigure xdm ..... |
| 05:23.52 | gau` | that does not seem to work |
| 05:24.22 | peterS | gau`: the simple way might be to remove xdm and install kdm in its place |
| 05:24.36 | gau` | kdm is 90mb right ? |
| 05:24.40 | peterS | gau`: not that that is *necessary*, it's just the easiest thing I can think of to explain |
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| 05:25.34 | Rodietze | hey I see i have no gDesklets.deb in debian cds so I got the gDesklets sources so do the main cd contain all the dependencies??? |
| 05:25.42 | peterS | gau`: alternatively, in your ~/.xsession file, put in 'startkde' in place of whatever is there now |
| 05:25.51 | peterS | gau`: if you don't have such a file, you can create one, with just that line in it |
| 05:26.39 | gau` | peterS: i already have startkde there .. i tried most of that ..... |
| 05:26.55 | gau` | that dosn't seem to be the config file ..... |
| 05:27.17 | Rodietze | ? |
| 05:27.36 | peterS | gau`: I heard a rumor that both ~/.Xsession and ~/.xsession are used in debian, but I'm not sure which one it looks for first |
| 05:28.00 | gau` | ok let me try that |
| 05:28.04 | gau` | tnx peterS |
| 05:28.07 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 05:28.13 | peterS | Daveman. |
| 05:28.37 | Daveman | yes |
| 05:28.49 | deadcat | peterS: is it also try that it doesnt have to be +x ? |
| 05:29.07 | Rodietze | hey I see i have no gDesklets.deb in debian cds so I got the gDesklets sources so do the main cd contain all the dependencies??? |
| 05:29.24 | Daveman | hahahah oh no |
| 05:29.28 | Daveman | gdesklets |
| 05:29.28 | deadcat | Rodietze: theres binary. |
| 05:29.29 | Napoledno | Can I make it so that CDROM mounts and unmounts automatically? |
| 05:29.32 | peterS | deadcat: I'm not sure, I'm reading /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup right now to find out |
| 05:29.43 | deadcat | peterS: thanks |
| 05:29.58 | peterS | deadcat: aha - it does not have to be +x |
| 05:30.13 | deadcat | peterS: cool. i always thought it needed x |
| 05:30.25 | peterS | deadcat: also ~/.xsession is preferred over ~/.Xsession, if both exist |
| 05:30.40 | Rodietze | deadcat hey can u send me? I'm on windows.. no apt-get here sorry |
| 05:30.47 | deadcat | peterS: ya. i use .xsession. although i also symlink it to .xinitrc JUST incase (= |
| 05:30.59 | deadcat | Rodietze: too freakin bad. i dont use that crap. (= |
| 05:31.07 | deadcat | Rodietze: just get it from packages.debian.org |
| 05:31.08 | Rodietze | or point me to the sarge binary? |
| 05:31.25 | Rodietze | deadcat thanks :) |
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| 05:32.13 | peterS | deadcat: right, if you run 'startx' it will look for .xinitrc, though on Debian I believe even startx looks for .xsession |
| 05:32.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: remember the debian box you guys have at the linuxworld last year? crappy right? maybe this year you guys should have 1 with xcompmgr stuff and 1 with 3ddesktop (= and lots of those fancy gdesklets craps (= |
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| 05:32.45 | deadcat | peterS: ah... and the DMs use .xsession? |
| 05:32.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: bah. I'm in for letting the eyecandy people shoot themselves |
| 05:32.55 | quik__ | how do I set the time of my debian machine in command line? |
| 05:33.00 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 05:33.00 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 05:33.02 | peterS | deadcat: xdm runs /etc/X11/Xsession which runs ~/.xsession if it exists |
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| 05:33.05 | Napoledno | Can I make it so that CDROM mounts and unmounts automatically? |
| 05:33.13 | peterS | deadcat: gdm has an option to run /etc/X11/Xsession, don't know about the other DMs |
| 05:33.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I'm more into the automatic woody->sarge continuous upgrade box that I had at apachecon |
| 05:33.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: far more useful |
| 05:33.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thats why most people who came by aint gonna use debian. because its so plain. you got to sell it dude |
| 05:33.40 | dondelelcaro | !market share |
| 05:33.40 | dpkg | somebody said market share was something that only econodwarfs care about |
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| 05:34.22 | peterS | people who only want to use debian because of flashy graphics, we definitely want them to use ubuntu instead, so we can avoid having to support that kind of user in here |
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| 05:34.45 | deadcat | peterS: i am one of those (= |
| 05:35.21 | Rodietze | packages.debian.org |
| 05:35.24 | Rodietze | is off |
| 05:35.30 | Rodietze | :{ |
| 05:35.33 | deadcat | Rodietze: TFB |
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| 05:35.37 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 05:35.56 | Amarande | peterS, I don't think we should be encouraging people to select a distro based on our personal feelings about whether we want to support them |
| 05:36.24 | peterS | Amarande: I'll encourage people to use whatever I want to encourage them to use, for whatever reasons I think best |
| 05:36.33 | Amarande | that would be like establishing totalitarianism because you didn't want to have to maintain voting machines. :) |
| 05:36.36 | Rodietze | please point me to gDesklets :D i like that |
| 05:36.46 | Flimzy | Amarande: When a distro's support structure is 100% volunteer, I think personal feelings are a completely valid reason to encourage someone to use, or not use, the distro. |
| 05:36.48 | AstralSin | anyone had problems installing the nvidia drivers? |
| 05:36.54 | deadcat | Rodietze: gdesklets requires dependencies. |
| 05:36.57 | deadcat | AstralSin: no |
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| 05:37.13 | peterS | Amarande: besides, *not* having flashy graphics on your demo machine at a trade show is not exactly the same as telling prospective users to go away |
| 05:37.15 | AstralSin | i installed it the other day with no problems, but i cant seem to get them working today |
| 05:37.17 | Flimzy | Amarande: Untiil you're paying me for support, "I don't want to" is the only reason necessary. |
| 05:37.25 | Rodietze | deadcat i mean the binary |
| 05:37.33 | deadcat | Rodietze: ya. |
| 05:37.43 | deadcat | all those python stuff |
| 05:38.00 | atrus | on that topic, what is the deal with p.d.o these days? it's been quite a while now. |
| 05:38.15 | dondelelcaro | atrus: it's being worked on |
| 05:38.20 | deadcat | Rodietze: when i agi it. i have to get 9 new packages to satisfy it |
| 05:38.24 | AstralSin | and for some reason, the 2.6.8 kernel source has been giving me problems today as well.. i compiled it the other day without a hitch |
| 05:38.35 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, the scripts that run it have already taken out two boxes; they need to be rewritten |
| 05:38.51 | vyrus001 | problem compileing gift-ares -> as_ares.h:57:36: error: libgift/proto/protocol.h: No such file or directory -> sevral errs like that dealing with things in the "libgift/proto/*" dir? |
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| 05:38.59 | Flimzy | How can I play a DVD file structure off of my drive? I have the DVD structure in a directory... not yet in an ISO, and can't get xine or mplayer to play it for some reason. I know i've done this bbefore... but it seems newer versions of the programs don't like the old way |
| 05:39.13 | Rodietze | deadcat k :\ tnx |
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| 05:39.22 | deadcat | Flimzy: losetup blah.iso /dev/loop0 |
| 05:39.25 | deadcat | something like that |
| 05:39.36 | Flimzy | deadcat: Uhm. It's *not* an iso. |
| 05:39.38 | vyrus001 | Flimzy: or just play the vob directly |
| 05:39.43 | deadcat | Flimzy: TFB |
| 05:39.51 | Flimzy | vyrus001: That works, but I want to test the menus, etc, before a burn |
| 05:40.00 | Flimzy | deadcat: ? |
| 05:40.05 | deadcat | !TFB |
| 05:40.06 | atrus | fun. the only reason i really miss it is for aptitude's ability to read changelogs before installed. any good argument against distributing changelog.Debian.gz alongside the debs in pool/....? |
| 05:40.15 | deadcat | TFB == too freakin bad |
| 05:40.45 | vyrus001 | Flimzy: did u try just plauying the menu vob in the dir > |
| 05:40.50 | Flimzy | deadcat: Ahh. That's a good answer. I should offer that support policy to my customers... Offer an irrelevant, off-topic answer, then tell them they're wrong. |
| 05:41.08 | Flimzy | vyrus001: Yup... plays thru it just fine. But doesn't take advantage of the menu-ness of it. |
| 05:41.08 | vyrus001 | Flimzy: i mean if its a vob it SHOULD still work |
| 05:41.17 | deadcat | Flimzy: if it works go for it |
| 05:41.18 | Flimzy | vyrus001: It plays it as a straight mpeg |
| 05:41.20 | Amarande | Flimzy: "I don't like repairing this Ford, you should buy a Chevrolet before you come to me next." |
| 05:41.21 | peterS | vyrus001: did you hear what he just said? |
| 05:41.24 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:41.26 | vyrus001 | ahh, hmm... |
| 05:41.36 | peterS | Amarande: "alternatively, pay me" |
| 05:41.43 | nixie | would running an SMP kernel on a single-cpu box gimp my performance or anything, or is it not much of an issue? |
| 05:41.56 | atrus | Flimzy: you could create the iso without burning it, and use deadcat's suggestion to convince the dvd software that the iso file is a dvd drive, if i'm not mistaken. |
| 05:41.57 | vyrus001 | Flimzy: u have any dvd-rw;'s ? |
| 05:41.58 | peterS | nixie: not that much of an issue |
| 05:42.02 | Flimzy | Amarande: That's completely valid... if I'm a Chevy repairman. Doubly so if I work on a volunteer basis. |
| 05:42.08 | vyrus001 | or just make an iso of the dir and play the iso |
| 05:42.26 | Flimzy | vyrus001: Yeah. But I don't feel like wasting all that burn time... esp. when I know it's possible to play off the disk. |
| 05:42.32 | peterS | Flimzy: is there a reason you have to master and burn in a single step? master, then mplayer, then burn |
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| 05:42.47 | deadcat | atrus: how? i have a dir with all those .vob and stuff files. how do i turn that into a .iso? i am sick of all those files |
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| 05:42.56 | Flimzy | peterS: I couldn't get mplayer to even play an ISO yet |
| 05:43.11 | Flimzy | peterS: But space limitations make that not a very feasable solution, nonetheless. |
| 05:43.14 | peterS | Flimzy: I got xine to do it, I forget exactly how, but it can be done |
| 05:43.43 | peterS | Flimzy: I might've had to losetup it then point xine to /dev/lo0 or something |
| 05:43.47 | Flimzy | peterS: I've gotten xine to do it, too... a few months ago. It's syntax/functionality must have changed. It used to be as easy as 'xine dvd:///path/to/dvd/structure/' |
| 05:43.55 | peterS | ah hmmm |
| 05:43.56 | Flimzy | (that was for pre-mastered) |
| 05:44.30 | Flimzy | and I'd try with VLC, but that segfaults on DVDs lately. hehe (Unless last night's testing dist-upgrade fixed that bug) |
| 05:44.54 | Flimzy | and vlc doesn't work on PPC anyway. |
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| 05:45.47 | useruser | Flimzy: mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device dvd.iso |
| 05:45.56 | useruser | Flimzy: according to http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DVD_Video |
| 05:46.17 | deadcat | useruser: he wants the menus and shits |
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| 05:46.28 | peterS | deadcat: yes, that's what he's saying |
| 05:46.32 | Flimzy | useruser: Ill try that |
| 05:46.42 | useruser | Flimzy: no shits with mplayer, tho |
| 05:47.28 | Flimzy | hrm. says it can't find the VIDEO_TS.IFO. blah |
| 05:47.57 | JochenA | I want to compile a package for sarge with pbuilder. It's got a dependency on another package not in sarge however. I already build that package with pbuilder, but now I'd need to get it installed in pbuilders chroot-env. Is there a way to do it? The extrapackages-switch seems to be for debs from the repository. |
| 05:48.06 | Flimzy | libdvdread: Couldn't find device name. |
| 05:48.08 | deadcat | all that does is using 100% cpu and nothing appears |
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| 05:48.26 | deadcat | DVD successfully opened. i dont see shit |
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| 05:48.59 | peterS | JochenA: you can always do pbuilder login --save-after-login and then install the package one way or another then exit then run pbuilder normally |
| 05:49.05 | mhall | In X.Org, I tried to use DontZap to disable Ctrl-Alt-BkSp in the ServerLayout section. It doesn't prevent the keystroke from working, and the conflict with a VMWare setting made me crash some important apps. |
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| 05:49.11 | ansong | i have a file called ~/.xsession-errors with an entry saying: "xset: bad font path element (#76), possible causes are directory does not exist or has wrong permissions; directory missing fonts.dir; incorrect font server address or syntax" googling the error would be useful if i could read italian... any help would be appreciated |
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| 05:49.24 | Rodietze | .seen scar |
| 05:49.35 | peterS | Rodietze: /msg seenserv |
| 05:49.48 | Rodietze | peterS thanks |
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| 05:49.59 | myren | is there ayn way to browse a repository without adding it? |
| 05:50.00 | deadcat | useruser: DVD successfully opened. and nothing. what up? mplayer is using 18% cpu |
| 05:50.04 | JochenA | peterS: I didn't see that in the docs. I'll try it right away. Cheers! |
| 05:50.08 | peterS | mhall: not ServerLayout but ServerFlags, no? |
| 05:50.13 | useruser | deadcat: *shrug* |
| 05:50.17 | deadcat | myren: packages.debian.org ? |
| 05:50.32 | peterS | deadcat: doesn't exactly work these days, if you haven't noticed |
| 05:50.34 | useruser | deadcat: mplayer likes using cpu, it's what it's there for |
| 05:50.35 | zebalin7 | Hey folks. I have debian testing installed. What do we use to see video out of firefox? |
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| 05:50.44 | nixie | if my p4 CPU has the 'ht' flag in /proc/cpuinfo, it should be a hyperthreading cpu, correct? |
| 05:50.55 | Zodo | I think I'll try my question from earlier again. I was just trying to set up some packet prioritization through iptables on Sarge w/ K 2.6.8, only to get an odd error. "iptables table 'MANGLE': Table does not exist". I've check that all of the proper iptables modules are listed with lsmod, and I don't get any errors with "iptables -L -t mangle"...has anyone come across this issue before? |
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| 05:51.02 | ansong | zebalin7, try the vlc plugin |
| 05:51.05 | deadcat | useruser: i know that. but i just want to say it wont show any dvd shit. |
| 05:51.15 | peterS | nixie: maybe, maybe not. I think even the non-ht-enabled P4s have that flag in the CPUID |
| 05:51.17 | deadcat | peterS: ya. so his method is useless right? |
| 05:51.18 | Flimzy | when I use mplayer with an actual physical DVD, it opens... bbut shows nowthing |
| 05:51.22 | Flimzy | prolly same thing deadcat sees |
| 05:51.27 | nixie | peterS: im afraid of that too =/ |
| 05:51.38 | deadcat | Flimzy: ya. nothing. i think xine is better for dvd menu stuff |
| 05:51.42 | zebalin7 | hmmm. never heard of that. I figured you guys would use some xmms plugin or mplayer (if available in etch.... I'm coming from sid). |
| 05:51.51 | Flimzy | deadcat: that's been my experience, as well. |
| 05:52.01 | zebalin7 | kaffeine was nice in sid but not in testing. |
| 05:52.04 | Flimzy | but... it seems it's useless at opening non-physical DVDs any more... *sigh* |
| 05:52.07 | Flimzy | I'll keep tryin |
| 05:52.08 | Flimzy | g |
| 05:52.10 | Supaplex | !give deadcat cpr |
| 05:52.10 | dpkg | give deadcat cpr |
| 05:52.29 | deadcat | Flimzy: and i just losetup the iso then use /dev/loop6 since i dont have a dvd drive |
| 05:52.36 | ansong | zebalin7, you could pin kaffeine to use sids package... |
| 05:52.37 | Flimzy | heh |
| 05:52.46 | Flimzy | is losetup different than mount -o loop? |
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| 05:53.22 | deadcat | Flimzy: yes. i think. losetup doesnt mount the file. so you can really ls and see the contents |
| 05:53.26 | peterS | Flimzy: mount -o loop runs losetup behind the scenes, then mounts the resulting /dev/loN |
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| 05:53.41 | peterS | Flimzy: and it leaves a trace in /etc/mtab so that umount will remember to losetup -d the device after unmounting it |
| 05:53.45 | Flimzy | deadcat: that's what mount -o loop does |
| 05:53.47 | Flimzy | peterS: ahh |
| 05:53.51 | zebalin7 | ansong: I'd have to compile it since I think it uses 3.5 now. I don't think it was ever in testing. |
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| 05:54.13 | Flimzy | I've never heard of losetup... but use mount -o all the time |
| 05:54.16 | deadcat | Flimzy: i only use losetup for dmcrypt and dvd. |
| 05:54.21 | zebalin7 | ansong: can't find a vlc in debian testing via synaptic search. |
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| 05:54.47 | peterS | Flimzy: right, anyway, losetup doesn't mount anything, just binds the file to the loop device |
| 05:55.00 | Flimzy | peterS: gotcha |
| 05:55.15 | Flimzy | so... anyway. Still banging my head against xine's lack of featurness |
| 05:55.25 | dusk | http://nubuntu.org/screenshots/screen4.jpg |
| 05:55.29 | dusk | what sysmon is that |
| 05:55.38 | deadcat | Flimzy: thats why i have xine and mplayer. one is to backup the other (= |
| 05:55.46 | deadcat | dusk: new distro? |
| 05:55.54 | deadcat | dusk: too freakin small. |
| 05:56.00 | Flimzy | deadcat: Yup. and VLC is also very nice... for everything EXCEPT DVD playback, currently |
| 05:56.04 | peterS | Flimzy: oh, now I remember, I used totem-xine, not xine directly |
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| 05:56.16 | deadcat | Flimzy: i dont like the gui (= |
| 05:56.23 | Flimzy | deadcat: for VLC? |
| 05:56.24 | dusk | yea, a security based livecd off ubuntu |
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| 05:56.35 | e-doll | ? |
| 05:56.36 | deadcat | dusk: conky or torsmo, conky is the better one |
| 05:56.38 | deadcat | more features |
| 05:56.58 | e-doll | ? |
| 05:56.59 | zebalin7 | Does kplayer work? |
| 05:57.04 | Flimzy | deadcat: VLC has some very nice advanced features not found in mplayer or xine, even if the UI sucks. I use it with the dummy interface for some things, even. (i.e. no user interaction at all--completely cli driven) |
| 05:57.08 | deadcat | dusk: thats definately conky, it has the roo-tail capability |
| 05:57.23 | dusk | deadcat: thx got it |
| 05:58.22 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 05:58.25 | Flimzy | totem won't even start |
| 05:58.28 | Flimzy | but suddenly xine is behaving |
| 05:58.36 | Flimzy | wonder if the dist-upgrade had an effect |
| 05:58.39 | Flimzy | maybe I had some broken libs |
| 05:59.10 | sts9 | !homer |
| 05:59.10 | dpkg | Outta my way JERKASS |
| 05:59.13 | sts9 | hehe |
| 05:59.18 | ansong | zebalin7, sorry. i'm using sid myself, don't know about vlc in testing. & while i love kde3.5, kaffeine, etc. i'm really missing etch's polish right now. |
| 05:59.41 | Flimzy | now to find some tools to strip unwanted crap from DVDs |
| 05:59.44 | sts9 | !doh |
| 05:59.44 | dpkg | methinks doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 06:00.09 | zebalin7 | ansong: not so much polish. xmms crashes in firefox when you click on a shoutcast.com button. Kaffeine in sid never did. |
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| 06:01.46 | ansong | zebalin7, i can cope with an application crash. you know where you are with a good segfault. i'm currently fighting a wonky fonts problem with sid. and honestly it's more irritating than a crash |
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| 06:02.45 | zebalin7 | what font problme? The freesans mess? |
| 06:03.12 | King_Brad | will apt-get dist-upgrade install the latest kernel? |
| 06:03.31 | deadcat | King_Brad: no |
| 06:03.41 | King_Brad | i c |
| 06:04.09 | King_Brad | well last time i did apt-get install kernel-image-whatever it installed, but wouldnt boot the system |
| 06:04.13 | zebalin7 | When I click on a link, firefox give me a dialogge box, I choose xmms, and boom! But if I bring up xmms again, and right-click 'play' I get my station. very strange. |
| 06:04.15 | myren | god damned are ubuntu people clueless about their OS |
| 06:04.28 | deadcat | King_Brad: dont know what would happen if you have this package though, it MIGHT: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:04.33 | myren | not a one can tell me where i can find repos for sources.list |
| 06:04.37 | deadcat | myren: yes |
| 06:04.50 | deadcat | myren: thats why they use ubuntu |
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| 06:05.18 | myren | thats terrifying |
| 06:05.28 | deadcat | myren: its made for HUMAN BEINGS |
| 06:05.34 | myren | fuck human beings |
| 06:05.45 | myren | mortals should not play in the realm of alien linux using freaks |
| 06:05.47 | King_Brad | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 <--- that will upgrade the kerenl correct? |
| 06:05.48 | myren | aka GODS |
| 06:05.52 | King_Brad | and still boot |
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| 06:06.04 | deadcat | King_Brad: that will install a new kernel. not upgrade. |
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| 06:06.13 | King_Brad | okay |
| 06:06.16 | King_Brad | will it boot? |
| 06:06.19 | deadcat | King_Brad: yes |
| 06:06.26 | King_Brad | ok |
| 06:06.27 | deadcat | King_Brad: what kernel you on right now? |
| 06:06.41 | ansong | zebalin7, first kde fonts ballooned, so i open the control center and dick around with the fonts in there. nothing serious, just change the size. then fonts for apps like xchat, evolution, thunderbird, etc were big. i screwed around with my xorg.conf and gnome-control-center. i thought i had gotten it under control until i minimized a window and saw kde's font's are huge again. |
| 06:06.52 | King_Brad | 2.4 |
| 06:07.15 | deadcat | King_Brad: i am pretty sure that will be fine |
| 06:07.19 | King_Brad | ok |
| 06:07.19 | ansong | hmm. too many apostrophes i think |
| 06:07.23 | King_Brad | im trying it now |
| 06:08.02 | zebalin7 | ansong: sounds to me as if your dpi setting is wrong from xorg. You can set it with the DisplaySize option. |
| 06:08.03 | King_Brad | welp ill know more in the morning, going to bed now, gnight |
| 06:08.04 | kijjaz | me new with debian (been trying Ubuntu, nice too.. but actually wanna start on debian) it's running well. question: How do i install another languages? (i'd like to read and type Thai language. now the keyboard layout are set up but the characters're not) |
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| 06:08.29 | deadcat | King_Brad: why you on a modem? |
| 06:08.36 | King_Brad | no |
| 06:08.44 | Robert | Hey, /etc/network/interfaces doesn't seem to configure ipv6 properly - is that supposed to be _the_ place to configure interfaces with ipv6 as well? |
| 06:08.44 | King_Brad | 5mbit cable |
| 06:08.45 | King_Brad | y? |
| 06:08.55 | deadcat | that will only take like 2 min |
| 06:09.04 | King_Brad | yea, but wifey waiting :) |
| 06:09.07 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:09.11 | King_Brad | night |
| 06:09.26 | deadcat | got to do your thing right? (= |
| 06:09.30 | King_Brad | yup |
| 06:09.37 | King_Brad | wifey, then computers :) |
| 06:09.45 | deadcat | amen |
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| 06:09.51 | King_Brad | l8z |
| 06:10.13 | ansong | zebalin7, howto calculate? |
| 06:10.13 | peterS | kijjaz: you can start with 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and select one of the th_TH locales as your default |
| 06:10.25 | peterS | kijjaz: but unfortunately there is not too much software translated into Thai |
| 06:10.56 | deadcat | i just got 25 dvd +r at 16x for $5.25 from fry's |
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| 06:11.07 | Phated | :O |
| 06:11.16 | deadcat | Phated: ya... i dont have a dvd burner (= |
| 06:11.20 | kijjaz | peterS: oh thanks very much. i'd be using thai while browsing the web and chatting in gaim mostly. ^^ |
| 06:11.27 | Phated | deadcat: ... |
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| 06:11.33 | ansong | zebalin7, xdpyinfo is saying my resolution is 126x126 dpi |
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| 06:11.55 | peterS | kijjaz: there are several packages whose names begin with 'xfonts-thai' |
| 06:12.07 | peterS | kijjaz: those are fonts with Thai characters in them - you may wish to install some or all of those packages |
| 06:12.14 | kijjaz | peterS: wow now it's loading.. wow cool. |
| 06:12.32 | kijjaz | peterS: ah oh.. hmm xfonts.. hmm |
| 06:13.12 | deadcat | what software do i need to burn dvd? |
| 06:13.28 | peterS | deadcat: apt-cache search burn dvd |
| 06:13.53 | deadcat | peterS: i use gcombust for cdr, can i use that too? i like that gui (= |
| 06:14.04 | peterS | deadcat: you'll notice dvd+rw-tools in the list, that includes a cdrecord-like program called growisofs |
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| 06:14.16 | deadcat | peterS: thats the one |
| 06:14.26 | peterS | deadcat: presumably several GUIs include frontend support for growisofs |
| 06:14.32 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:14.51 | yos87 | hi |
| 06:15.50 | zebalin7 | ansong: well there is your answer. no wonder your fonts are huge. |
| 06:16.42 | myren | note to self: do not pin packages at a negative priority. aptitude will _not_ be happy with ti |
| 06:16.53 | zebalin7 | ansong: you need to edit xorg.conf and put the res you want to use in the screen section. |
| 06:18.13 | zebalin7 | Is there something else I can use to stream audio (shoutcast) in etch/KDE other than xmms? |
| 06:18.24 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 06:19.31 | mungewell | zebalin - you mean to receive a stream (not send) right? |
| 06:19.31 | yos87 | how can I install packages in debian |
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| 06:20.01 | yos87 | I read apt-howto |
| 06:20.08 | yos87 | It does not help me |
| 06:20.13 | lpb-oberon | lol |
| 06:20.16 | lpb-oberon | man apt-get |
| 06:20.29 | zebalin7 | Any chance that k3b will get into testing anytime soon? |
| 06:20.32 | yos87 | lpb: no , it a book |
| 06:20.51 | jm_ | zebalin7: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 06:20.54 | lpb-oberon | don't be lazy |
| 06:20.55 | yos87 | lpb-oberon: no , it's a book calld apt-how |
| 06:21.54 | yos87 | when I want to install package, should I be on root |
| 06:21.59 | yos87 | can't be on user? |
| 06:22.10 | zebalin7 | jm: all it tells me is: k3b is, like, A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or k3b.sf.net, or 'teh uber'! |
| 06:22.34 | zebalin7 | jm_: what should I ask the bot? |
| 06:22.58 | yos87 | and I made scan for all 14 cd to resouces file |
| 06:23.19 | jm_ | zebalin7: type what I showed you in your IRC client |
| 06:23.21 | psychonate | jm_, I'm starting to wonder if it will ever come back; it's been a while now |
| 06:23.29 | psychonate | k3b, that is |
| 06:23.46 | zebalin7 | oh, sorry, I just did dpkg k3b. |
| 06:23.46 | yos87 | but I don't know how to install packages up to know |
| 06:23.58 | jm_ | psychonate: probably KDE 3.5 transition ... |
| 06:24.26 | yos87 | lpb-oberon: hi |
| 06:24.33 | psychonate | I don't really follow KDE much. Perhaps that will be relatively soon? |
| 06:25.00 | mungewell | yos87 - yes you need to be root to install packages. You can use 'apt-get install <package-name>' or use a package manager like 'dselect' or 'aptitude'. |
| 06:25.10 | jm_ | no idea, a) I don't use unstable or testing, b) I don't use KDE :) |
| 06:25.24 | yos87 | mungewell: from where to get package name |
| 06:25.52 | yos87 | mungewell: I scan all cd's, and it show me a number of packages, but no names |
| 06:26.13 | lpb-oberon | apt-cache search catchphrase |
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| 06:26.24 | Flimzy | Anyone have any idea why my powerbook's clock seems to randomly revert to UTC when I turn it off? |
| 06:26.35 | mungewell | yos87 - the package manages will list all and you scroll up and down selecting the ones you want. To search for package names on the command line use 'apt-cache search <key words>'. |
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| 06:27.23 | zebalin7 | Any idea why xmms crashes when I click a streaming audio link in firefox? |
| 06:27.27 | yos87 | mungewell: but I cannt see all |
| 06:28.16 | yos87 | mungewell: are you bsuy |
| 06:28.22 | ansong | zebalin7, i've changed my xorg.conf. i'll check it tomorrow. thanks for the help. hope you get a solution |
| 06:28.52 | zebalin7 | ansong: just do a ctl-alt-backspace and see if that works since the change of xorg.conf |
| 06:29.43 | deadcat | peterS: cool gcombus has dvd+r on the drop down menu (= |
| 06:29.52 | peterS | deadcat: good enough |
| 06:30.00 | deadcat | Phated: just ordered a sony dvd+r for $48 |
| 06:30.18 | d0uglas | hi.. |
| 06:30.21 | deadcat | damn i am just wasting $$ (= |
| 06:30.21 | d0uglas | are porn actresses unionized? |
| 06:30.39 | deadcat | !ops asshole alert |
| 06:30.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: asshole alert |
| 06:30.50 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 06:30.57 | peterS | yos87. |
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| 06:33.03 | yos87 | mugewell: for example, I did apt-cache search firefox, I get alot |
| 06:33.05 | yos87 | long page |
| 06:33.22 | yos87 | how can I see the list of all packages |
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| 06:34.53 | lpb-oberon | dselect:) |
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| 06:35.13 | lpb-oberon | yonkeltron: apt-cache search <dies und das> | less |
| 06:35.20 | lpb-oberon | yos87: ... |
| 06:35.50 | yonkeltron | lpb-oberon: wha? |
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| 06:35.59 | yonkeltron | actually i am having some kernel woes |
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| 06:36.27 | kb1_kanobe | g'day all - offtopic but can someone point me to a fetchmail or IMAP specific channel somewhere? |
| 06:36.38 | yos87 | lpb-oberon: what is the thing before "less" |
| 06:36.46 | yos87 | lpb-oberon: how to do it |
| 06:37.58 | lpb-oberon | it is called a pipe - it redirects the standardoutput of the first program to STDIN of the other:) |
| 06:38.07 | yonkeltron | kb1_kanobe: fetchmail maybe? |
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| 06:38.30 | yonkeltron | yos87: pipes rock. you will learn that they rock. and then your life will have been greately improved |
| 06:38.54 | kb1_kanobe | yonkeltron: true, but it's rather lonely at the moment. I will just be patient... |
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| 06:39.34 | mungewell | yos87 - you can dump the whole apt-cache cache with "apt-cache dump | grep 'Package:'" , the '|' may be need the left shift key (UK) or near 'return' (US).... |
| 06:39.49 | yonkeltron | kb1_kanobe: what is the problem? did you google for help? |
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| 06:40.06 | lpb-oberon | but yos87 you should be able to come to know all that by yourself ... else linux/debian won't make you happy:( |
| 06:40.16 | ISV-Kran | one question: |
| 06:40.20 | kb1_kanobe | yonkeltron: it's fetchmail imap folder retreival related and yes, still googling. |
| 06:40.21 | dusk | http://www.deviantart.com/view/27929639/ |
| 06:40.25 | dusk | which mp3 player is that |
| 06:40.38 | mungewell | yonkeltron - note to self, must learn how to split/join/skip ahead with pipes...... |
| 06:40.39 | ISV-Kran | can using apt-get update KDE from 3.3 to KDE 3.4? |
| 06:40.42 | yonkeltron | kb1_kanobe: hmmm. ok try http://www.tldp.org |
| 06:41.01 | ISV-Kran | I must edit my sources.list? |
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| 06:41.10 | ISV-Kran | and change to testing? |
| 06:41.11 | yos87 | lpb-oberon: how did you learn all that by your self |
| 06:41.13 | myren | !dpkg keys |
| 06:41.17 | myren | oh fuck that |
| 06:41.17 | d0uglas | dusk: not found |
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| 06:41.24 | d0uglas | oh wait |
| 06:41.43 | Phated | deadcat: Aaaa! |
| 06:41.51 | lpb-oberon | dusk: could be mp3blaster |
| 06:41.52 | kb1_kanobe | yonkeltron: nah - I need to know the syntax for doing cross-mailbox IMAP based retrival from a MSExchange server using fetchmail. A little specialised for tldp. But thanks for the thought. :-) |
| 06:41.56 | Phated | deadcat: Good for you though :) |
| 06:42.08 | deadcat | Phated: ya. buying cheap dvd+r now have to get a dvd burner (= |
| 06:42.14 | Phated | \o/ |
| 06:42.14 | yos87 | the "|" is not coming straight like here |
| 06:42.15 | lpb-oberon | it is the only console mp3player i remember:) |
| 06:42.20 | Chah_pgn | hai..... |
| 06:42.20 | yos87 | on debian |
| 06:42.21 | yonkeltron | kb1_kanobe: whoa. |
| 06:42.40 | deadcat | Phated: i thought i was gonna go from cd to whatever after dvd. and skip dvd completely (= guess not |
| 06:42.55 | lpb-oberon | i need to go - cu:) |
| 06:42.58 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:43.07 | deadcat | lpb-oberon: number 1 or 2? |
| 06:43.39 | yos87 | I get message , Unexpected token |
| 06:44.08 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.32 | mungewell | yos87 - other useful tip, if you're using a graphical interface you can cut and paste by highlighting text with left button. Middle button (or both left & right together) will paste. Just cut commmands off the screen.... |
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| 06:44.42 | Azar | instead to point to the right site, it points towards a makeshift page that requests javascript enabling |
| 06:45.10 | Azar | I enable the js and voila: on a blank bogus page |
| 06:46.00 | yos87 | mungewell: in my irc clien there is no copy option it's 5.91 , |
| 06:46.06 | myren | is there any way to add just a subdirectory of a repostiroy? |
| 06:46.07 | yos87 | mungewell: I want to learn |
| 06:46.21 | myren | deb http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas has some good freenx packages, but i dont think i want any of their other cruft |
| 06:46.21 | yos87 | mungewell: it's not the only time I will use it |
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| 06:46.48 | Azar | only ubuntu guys would know their supositories locations |
| 06:47.01 | mungewell | yos87 - cut and pasting is done my X (window system), the application does not need to support it. |
| 06:47.14 | myren | actually no, the ubuntu guys usually dont know what a repository is |
| 06:47.27 | Coke | Azar: nice pun, nice |
| 06:47.41 | Azar | right right |
| 06:47.48 | myren | i'm just wondering if apt package management system will let you add something other than a hwole repo |
| 06:47.49 | Coke | riiight |
| 06:48.11 | yos87 | mungewell: my irc clien on windows xp, and debian on other pc |
| 06:48.14 | Coke | myren: you cannot select parts of the package list, no |
| 06:48.25 | Azar | myren maybe only in the ubuntu worlds |
| 06:48.26 | yos87 | mungewell: you speak someting imposible |
| 06:48.48 | Coke | myren: besides, "the whole repository" is just a few package lists, pretty small. |
| 06:48.50 | yos87 | mungewell: I think this need other network (^^)] |
| 06:49.01 | Azar | look, myren, ubuntu keeps secrets from debian people we do NOT know what they are planning |
| 06:49.18 | myren | this has nothing to do with ubuntu |
| 06:49.54 | Coke | myren: the main package file is less than 4MB. |
| 06:49.58 | Azar | myren in debian, no |
| 06:50.17 | myren | i concur, thank you for the answer |
| 06:50.21 | Coke | actualy, the Debian repository could use a bit of splitting. perhaps splitting off games and such from the main repos. |
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| 06:51.03 | myren | i still ahve someplace in the back of my mind plans to make a repository proxy |
| 06:51.10 | mungewell | myren - you can download individual '.deb's and use 'dpkg --install <.deb>' to install them. apt is a user friendly interface to dpkg. |
| 06:51.14 | Azar | Coke , the magic sits on the /sources.list if he has /ubuntu or /sarge in |
| 06:51.14 | myren | one that lets you make a repos compiled from a # of other repos's |
| 06:51.41 | vyrus001 | anybody know offhand the deb pack for lt libs? apperently apt-cache isnt finding it and the web db is down... again |
| 06:52.27 | Supaplex | !apt-file |
| 06:52.27 | dpkg | apt-file is, like, util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 06:52.52 | myren | wtf? dpkg -L and dpkg -S... |
| 06:53.02 | myren | dpkg -L to list files in a package, dpkg -S (iirc) to find which a file belongs to |
| 06:53.02 | dpkg | ii to list files in a package, dpkg -S (iirc) to find which a file belongs to 2.2-12.3 myren's private stamp collection |
| 06:53.04 | Supaplex | that's if the package is installed |
| 06:53.04 | vyrus001 | thanx Supaplex |
| 06:53.14 | myren | lol |
| 06:53.30 | myren | Apt-File works whether or not its installed? |
| 06:53.38 | Supaplex | yes |
| 06:53.45 | yos87 | dpkg: but I want to list all apckages |
| 06:54.01 | Supaplex | then omit the package |
| 06:54.18 | myren | keen |
| 06:54.43 | Alam_Debian | !force |
| 06:54.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, force is weak with me today |
| 06:55.01 | Alam_Debian | not what i want... |
| 06:55.19 | yos87 | dpkg: you don't understand me |
| 06:55.58 | Supaplex | !say hi yos87, dpkg is an automaton (bot) |
| 06:55.58 | dpkg | hi yos87, dpkg is an automaton (bot) |
| 06:56.08 | mungewell | yos87 - did you fine the '|' yet? |
| 06:56.14 | mungewell | yos87 - did you find the '|' yet? |
| 06:56.16 | myren | i really hope dpkg does not understand you |
| 06:56.22 | Supaplex | hehhee |
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| 06:57.46 | yos87 | but it does not same |
| 06:58.35 | mungewell | yos87 - in what way. Does it work or just look different? |
| 06:58.42 | myren | damnit i cannot find the skynet becoming sentient quote |
| 06:59.00 | Supaplex | stupid google, it's useless |
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| 06:59.36 | wwmlive | Morning |
| 06:59.47 | myren | damnit google, get sentient faster so we can find better quotes about sentient robots killing us all |
| 06:59.51 | myren | err, nm, scratch that idea |
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| 07:00.28 | Alam_Debian | what the best way to break a ubuntu system? install a debian xorg-x11 6.9.0 package set.... |
| 07:01.14 | deadcat | Alam_Debian: shake the hdd |
| 07:01.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:01.25 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:01.58 | b8zs | does debians libnss-ldap support md5? |
| 07:02.21 | wwmlive | Can someone tell me what spamassassin really does? |
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| 07:02.43 | deadcat | i am working on montage. why the f it keeps generating the image in a thumbnail? |
| 07:02.53 | jshriver | greetings, how do I find out if my speaker is muted? |
| 07:02.53 | dondelelcaro | DeeJay^: it does "stuff" |
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| 07:02.58 | DeeJay^ | :/ |
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| 07:03.01 | Sun`` | how can i tell if i'm in sarge or not ? |
| 07:03.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: help me with montage (= |
| 07:03.09 | b8zs | jshriver: try to run alsamixer |
| 07:03.12 | jm_ | deadcat: I gave you the command yesterday |
| 07:03.13 | DeeJay^ | I got between 7000 and 10000 "unknown attempts" each day |
| 07:03.14 | deadcat | Sun``: cat /etc/apt/sources.list SHOULD do it |
| 07:03.16 | dondelelcaro | DeeJay^: if you want to know the full list of things, you have to read the rules and configuration files and go from therem. |
| 07:03.17 | Supaplex | spamerassassin > spamassassin |
| 07:03.28 | deadcat | jm_: i was out i think. |
| 07:03.31 | Sun`` | no mention of sarge in sources.list |
| 07:03.31 | jshriver | b8zs, brings up an ncurses app.. |
| 07:03.32 | Daedalus_ | close enough |
| 07:03.32 | dondelelcaro | DeeJay^: unknown attempts at what? |
| 07:03.39 | dondelelcaro | DeeJay^: ? |
| 07:03.44 | DeeJay^ | To send to one of my demains |
| 07:03.45 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: montage? |
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| 07:03.47 | jm_ | deadcat: pfft |
| 07:03.50 | Sun`` | lots of mention of"stable" though |
| 07:03.51 | jshriver | Master has nothing.. only headphone and pcm |
| 07:03.53 | b8zs | jshriver: hit m |
| 07:04.04 | jm_ | deadcat: montage -geometry '!1280x1024' file1 file2 outfile |
| 07:04.05 | Supaplex | DeeJay^: ode to spamtraps |
| 07:04.11 | Sun`` | deadcat: does stable = sarge ? |
| 07:04.18 | dondelelcaro | Sun``: currently, yes. |
| 07:04.18 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: part of imagemagick. i want to make 1.jpg into 1.jpg+flipped 1.jpg = 2560x1024 .jpg |
| 07:04.23 | deadcat | Sun``: ya |
| 07:04.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah |
| 07:04.25 | DeeJay^ | spamtraps? |
| 07:04.29 | ircdevil | what a morning. first thing i see is jm_ inflating a deadcat ... |
| 07:04.33 | deadcat | jm_: oh |
| 07:04.34 | jshriver | let me test.. I hope this work.. but if it does it's going to be frustrating, spent 2 days trying to get my sound card working... changed BIOs, went through 2 cards lol..let me try |
| 07:04.40 | DeeJay^ | I get spam like this: Feb 2 08:04:24 server courieresmtpd: error,relay=::ffff:66.240.102.34,from=<viviana@gardere.com>,to=<knkeofizz@larslc.dk>: 550 User unknown. |
| 07:04.47 | DeeJay^ | on that domain "larslc.dk" |
| 07:04.49 | Supaplex | DeeJay^: mailboxes setup to eat mail and autoreport spam/abuse |
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| 07:04.51 | Sun`` | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 07:04.53 | DeeJay^ | ~8000 tries a day |
| 07:04.57 | Sun`` | i have stuff like that in my sources.list |
| 07:05.02 | Sun`` | that means i'm running stable ? |
| 07:05.18 | b8zs | jshriver: the ncurses display lists all your audio out/in's. usually they are muted by default |
| 07:05.34 | b8zs | jshriver: m will mute/unmute them |
| 07:05.41 | ircdevil | Sun``: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:06.04 | DeeJay^ | Does that spamtraps work for courier-mta? |
| 07:06.07 | jshriver | argh.. still no sound.. |
| 07:06.18 | Supaplex | DeeJay^: spam traps are a concept. you'll have to google around |
| 07:06.24 | DeeJay^ | k |
| 07:06.31 | jshriver | this box runs so nicely.. down to the nvidia drivers and 3d hw accelleration.. tv viewing via vid capt... just no sound |
| 07:06.34 | DeeJay^ | "BOFH mail filters" ? |
| 07:06.50 | b8zs | jshriver: what soundcard? |
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| 07:07.29 | ircdevil | jshriver: alsa-which-i-forgot-to-unmute ? |
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| 07:07.33 | jshriver | SiS onboard.. using i810 something driver |
| 07:07.34 | Sun`` | ircdevil: debian_version says 3.1 |
| 07:08.05 | jshriver | everything seems to see it... it's detected, modules load.. xmms plays... just no sound... speaker has been test on my desktop and works... and I've tried all 3 ports on the card just in case |
| 07:08.23 | jshriver | I set all things in mixer to 100 |
| 07:08.58 | jm_ | setting it to 100 != unmuting |
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| 07:09.42 | deadcat | jm_: thanks (= |
| 07:09.53 | jshriver | ok just used setmixer -V 100 to verything |
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| 07:10.34 | jshriver | how do I tell if it's muted in alsa? I tried m, and it goes back down to 0... press m again and up to go back to 100 |
| 07:10.45 | jm_ | deadcat: is that going to be used on your two-monitors setup? |
| 07:10.50 | Sun`` | is stable/sarge 3.1 or 3.1r1 ? |
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| 07:10.59 | jm_ | jshriver: M means muted |
| 07:11.09 | Azar | Sun``: both |
| 07:11.18 | Sun`` | how do i get to 3.1r1 ? |
| 07:11.27 | deadcat | let me show you. and gonna screenshot this irssi chat so i dont have to remember the freakin command (= |
| 07:11.28 | Robert | So, any idea why it seems like the ipv6 config in /etc/network/interfaces is ignored? |
| 07:11.37 | jshriver | When I press M, it has MM at the bottom.. I pressed it again, and set it bakc to 100 |
| 07:11.40 | Azar | Sun``: by doing update/upgrade |
| 07:11.43 | Sun`` | /etc/debian_version says 3.1 |
| 07:11.52 | sep | Sun``, 3.1r1 contains more of the fixes from security.debian.org saving you the need to upgrade them after the inatall it's still 3.1 |
| 07:12.23 | Sun`` | gotcha |
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| 07:12.50 | jshriver | when I tried using my vid capt card months back.. ther was a special progrma I had to use so I could unmute the line in.. wonder if that would help. |
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| 07:15.53 | jshriver | just tried aumix.. same result everything is unmuted |
| 07:16.03 | deadcat | jm_: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060201_4536.png.jpg |
| 07:16.27 | laptop_crash3m | jshriver: alsa-mixer? |
| 07:16.36 | laptop_crash3m | err alsamixer even |
| 07:16.48 | jshriver | yup.. alsamixer, aumix, setmixer -V, and gnomes volume controll |
| 07:16.54 | jm_ | deadcat: gotta write it down and take a look at home, it never worked from here |
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| 07:17.23 | jshriver | is there a way of testing that the card is ok? if the card itself as broke, wouldn't the module not load? |
| 07:17.50 | deadcat | jm_: oh. work? |
| 07:17.50 | laptop_crash3m | not if its a physical problem with the outputs/inputs...if the card was fried sure it might not load |
| 07:18.02 | jm_ | deadcat: yeah |
| 07:18.45 | jshriver | laptop_crash3m, not sure about the connectors.. it seems to snap in so to speak fine... but since I've tried w/ multiple cards is what's making me wonder maybe my whole PCI bus is screwed |
| 07:19.14 | laptop_crash3m | if your PCI was screwed I'd doubt your hardware would be detected |
| 07:19.42 | jshriver | hrm... |
| 07:20.05 | jshriver | I've been using linux since 96 so I have a decent idea how things work... I'm really perplexed over this. |
| 07:20.12 | laptop_crash3m | try this once, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 07:20.33 | jshriver | btw getting errors messages now.. "Message: alsa mixer timed out" |
| 07:20.39 | laptop_crash3m | doh! |
| 07:21.01 | jshriver | no static hrm |
| 07:21.06 | laptop_crash3m | bummer |
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| 07:21.54 | jshriver | well I didnt try setting the unmute and volumes when I had that second card in.. maybe the onboard card is bad.. bbl going to try the second card |
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| 07:24.05 | oritemis | Hi, I just installed X-window-system, gnome and gdm. I rebooted the system and gdm comes online, after some hours of use I rebooted system again and comes a error trying to up gdm is that follow: "Not starting X display manger (xdm); it is not the default manager", and the error: "/etc/X11/X is not executable". May someone help? |
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| 07:24.41 | laptop_crash3m | oritemis: check /etc/inittab? |
| 07:25.28 | oritemis | laptop_crash3m: ok, I am in. |
| 07:25.51 | jm_ | why would anyone check inittab for that? |
| 07:25.56 | jm_ | it tells him what is wrong |
| 07:26.05 | ISV-Kran | ----> update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 07:26.05 | laptop_crash3m | I thought xdm/gdm was called from inittab |
| 07:26.07 | ISV-Kran | then |
| 07:26.15 | ISV-Kran | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 07:26.28 | jm_ | not in Debian |
| 07:26.34 | ISV-Kran | ah |
| 07:26.35 | laptop_crash3m | I see, good to know :) |
| 07:26.36 | ISV-Kran | ok |
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| 07:29.35 | oritemis | ISV-Kran: When I try dpkg -reconfigure gdm, the results are: Conflicting actions --control and --remove. |
| 07:29.54 | jm_ | that's not the command he gave you |
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| 07:30.47 | ISV-Kran | mm |
| 07:30.59 | oritemis | jm_: dpkg-reconfigure gmd comes with: command not found. |
| 07:32.04 | laptop_crash3m | oritemis: apt-get install debconf |
| 07:32.09 | ISV-Kran | perhaps a dependency conflict |
| 07:32.17 | oritemis | Ok. |
| 07:32.38 | jm_ | oritemis: do you have debconf installed? |
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| 07:33.39 | oritemis | jm_: Yes, I have. |
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| 07:34.08 | ISV-Kran | the command that laptop_crash3m gace you |
| 07:34.19 | jm_ | oritemis: then you also have dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:34.34 | ISV-Kran | this must permit you to initialize gdm over xdm |
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| 07:34.58 | nullvoid | is't possible that I bounce an email which is spoofing using my domain as theirs? |
| 07:35.25 | oritemis | Ok, sorry guys, I wan't over superuser. Trying again. |
| 07:35.25 | laptop_crash3m | nullvoid: restate that, I'm not sure what your asking] |
| 07:35.31 | Supaplex | bouncing is lame. reject it before it's queued, make the other mua/mta do the work. |
| 07:35.48 | nullvoid | laptop_crash3m: at the moment someone is sending email to me using mydomain as his, how do I bounce this? eg; abc.com belongs to me, but that person is sending From john@abc.com (john also not a valid account in my system) |
| 07:36.10 | laptop_crash3m | well, that would depend on the MTA you are using |
| 07:36.29 | laptop_crash3m | I'm out of practice with every MTA, so I wont be of much help in that regards I'm sure |
| 07:36.40 | nullvoid | laptop_crash3m: I am using postfix |
| 07:37.01 | oritemis | jm_ and ISV-Kran: Blue screen comes and: "/etc/X11/X is not executable". |
| 07:37.19 | Azar | wow blue screen on linux? cmon |
| 07:37.21 | laptop_crash3m | nullvoid: I definatly wont be any help with postfix, you might try #postfix though |
| 07:37.31 | yos87 | myren: are you laughing |
| 07:37.34 | ISV-Kran | xssession...something like this |
| 07:37.47 | ISV-Kran | ./xsession |
| 07:37.49 | nullvoid | laptop_crash3m: I am asking and awaiting |
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| 07:37.56 | laptop_crash3m | nullvoid: cool |
| 07:38.12 | jm_ | oritemis: are you using Sarge? |
| 07:38.29 | oritemis | jm_: Yes, Sarge. |
| 07:38.42 | oritemis | ISV-Kran: No result. |
| 07:38.51 | ISV-Kran | give a me a second |
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| 07:39.14 | FireflyST | hello, can someone tell me how to change my video driver in sarge? |
| 07:39.23 | jm_ | oritemis: /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 07:39.36 | FireflyST | I accidentally set it to nv instead of radeon |
| 07:39.43 | FireflyST | ( use nv in my other machine) |
| 07:39.46 | jm_ | !drxx Firestarter |
| 07:39.46 | dpkg | Firestarter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:40.29 | ISV-Kran | for me the "X" doesn't result |
| 07:40.55 | ISV-Kran | I start de X with "./Xsession |
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| 07:41.58 | oritemis | jm_: How can I create this simbolic link? |
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| 07:42.21 | oritemis | ISV-Kran: Neither X, ou ./Xsession are working here. |
| 07:42.34 | ISV-Kran | mmm |
| 07:42.49 | jm_ | oritemis: man ln |
| 07:42.59 | oritemis | jm_: May I use "ln"? |
| 07:43.12 | Azar | oritemis paste one of the urls you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list, I am just curious to see one |
| 07:43.39 | jm_ | oritemis: what else would you use? |
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| 07:45.27 | oritemis | Azar: Well I just used the backports to do a dist-update. May be that? |
| 07:45.39 | oritemis | jm_: Nothing more. |
| 07:45.44 | jm_ | backports have X.org, maybe that has caused it |
| 07:46.13 | Azar | oritemis: thanks |
| 07:46.27 | oritemis | jm_: If I install XFree86 may all back to normal? |
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| 07:46.57 | jm_ | oritemis: no idea, for now you could simply try creating the symlink yourself |
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| 07:47.16 | andy_ | i am not able to hear any sounds....can any one help me.... |
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| 07:47.51 | ISV-Kran | wait |
| 07:48.03 | ISV-Kran | you have x.org oritemis? |
| 07:48.10 | jm_ | andy_: forgot to clean your ears? |
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| 07:48.35 | stimulas | hi |
| 07:49.06 | ISV-Kran | hi stimulas |
| 07:49.07 | stimulas | in my router i get message new not sync then it goes source ip and destination ip |
| 07:49.09 | oritemis | ISV-Kran: I believe yes. |
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| 07:49.28 | ISV-Kran | I have xfree86 |
| 07:49.35 | ISV-Kran | i'm just a newbie |
| 07:49.38 | jm_ | stimulas: you get what? |
| 07:49.39 | ISV-Kran | :s |
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| 07:50.19 | stimulas | it says: new not sync source ip and deestination ip |
| 07:50.29 | jm_ | who says that? |
| 07:50.47 | stimulas | shell (router) |
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| 07:51.02 | jm_ | no, I meant - kernel, application, or what? |
| 07:51.04 | andy_ | i am not able 2 hear any sound in my comp which has soundcard already installed |
| 07:51.13 | jm_ | or is there some daemon speaking through your speaker? |
| 07:51.31 | stimulas | akernel |
| 07:51.39 | jm_ | how does the message look like? |
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| 07:51.55 | jm_ | andy_: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 07:52.48 | mhall | Oh shit. I thought #debian was an insane channel. The philosophy channels are really fucked up. They won't even point you to a FAQ. |
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| 07:53.15 | mhall | whiskey tango foxtro |
| 07:53.17 | mhall | foxtro* |
| 07:53.24 | mhall | foxtrot* |
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| 07:53.57 | oritemis | jm_: I am a little lost with ln, to create the symlink... |
| 07:54.20 | dondelelcaro | oritemis: it's just ln -s targetoflink nameoflink |
| 07:54.21 | pitillo | oritemis, man ln |
| 07:54.25 | jm_ | oritemis: I told you - man ln, but you'll need to find the name of the binary yourself, don't use XFree86 with X.org |
| 07:54.32 | andy_ | i'm waitin... |
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| 07:55.01 | Azar | oritemis: it is very hard when you do not have the knowledge to administer the system but jump on handling configurations for a package not ment for sarge |
| 07:55.21 | pitillo | andy_, take a look at alsa-mixer volumes |
| 07:55.42 | oritemis | dondelelcaro: I will try, thank's. |
| 07:55.56 | oritemis | pitillo: Thanks. |
| 07:56.15 | oritemis | jm_: Sorry, I don't saw before, thank's. |
| 07:56.30 | andy_ | pitillo, can i know where this alsa-mixer volumes is? |
| 07:56.52 | laptop_crash3m | alsamixer is an application, you can check the volume there |
| 07:56.54 | pitillo | andy_, is in alsa-utils package |
| 07:57.12 | oritemis | Azar: Then I want to expurge this X.org, I hope figure out how to do. |
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| 07:57.36 | yos87 | how to make new user |
| 07:57.51 | andy_ | and i hav been told that i am supposed to refresh my soundcard by my brother who is not here right now and that is y i hav sought help frm u people |
| 07:57.52 | Azar | oritemis: I never installed a non-sarge package and I have no idea if removing it will not give side effects.. |
| 07:58.06 | mhall | !tell andy_ about y |
| 07:58.07 | mhall | !tell andy_ about u |
| 07:58.36 | pitillo | yos87, adduser or useradd ... you can use the man if dotn?t know use them |
| 07:58.59 | oritemis | Azar: Well, it's not good to see this. |
| 07:59.03 | andy_ | i am using debian linux |
| 07:59.16 | andy_ | and am i supposed 2 b more specific |
| 07:59.19 | andy_ | ? |
| 07:59.23 | Azar | oritemis: usually you can remove a package with apt-get remove "packagename" or if it does not, apt-get --purge packagename |
| 07:59.27 | andy_ | this is all i know |
| 07:59.41 | mhall | andy_: 1) quite abbreviating english, it makes people very annoyed |
| 08:00.07 | Azar | oritemis, as a newbie when I found myself stucked, I would just reinstall and configure within the distribution means |
| 08:00.09 | andy_ | i saw the word natalius while my os was loading |
| 08:00.25 | andy_ | ooh sorry for the inconvenience caused |
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| 08:00.55 | Azar | :) yeee midnight! |
| 08:01.08 | starfishy | you will find the version you installed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:01.17 | Azar | another day was born |
| 08:01.42 | andy_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:01.48 | andy_ | ok |
| 08:01.50 | Azar | :) |
| 08:02.36 | oritemis | Azar: Well, I used ftp install, is a bad fell to download all over again. |
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| 08:02.40 | starfishy | it will say one of stable, sarge, testing, etch, unstable, sid |
| 08:02.51 | starfishy | if it says unstable you should not be running it |
| 08:03.18 | Azar | for newbies: apt primer here: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 08:03.52 | mhall | andy_: what's your native language |
| 08:04.00 | Azar | oritemis I have no idea why would you do that, Debian system uses "apt" for installation of packages |
| 08:04.28 | Azar | my feeling is that X logon for newbies is not good |
| 08:04.40 | starfishy | azar: apt uses either ftp or http as network protocol |
| 08:04.46 | oritemis | jm_: I did the symlink, "File already exist", file removed, symlink created, same error, "/etc/X11/X is no executable" |
| 08:04.51 | starfishy | so i assume oritemis meant apt with ftp protocol |
| 08:05.07 | oritemis | Exactly, apt over ftp. |
| 08:05.14 | andy_ | hall, mine is english |
| 08:05.20 | jm_ | oritemis: like I said, you'll have to figure out on your own about the target you have to use |
| 08:05.22 | Azar | starfishy right but when you login in X then use a gui ftp whatever software and go sites and install stuff that way I think is neanderthal |
| 08:05.33 | andy_ | oh sorry, my native language is english |
| 08:05.53 | Azar | ..and I am a native esperanto speaker |
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| 08:06.10 | oritemis | HAHAHHAHAHAHA |
| 08:06.38 | starfishy | azar: 100% true |
| 08:06.38 | andy_ | ? |
| 08:06.39 | ISV-Kran | JAJAJAJAJJA |
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| 08:06.55 | starfishy | i used to hack install linux years ago |
| 08:06.59 | jshriver | it works!! :) :) :) |
| 08:07.05 | starfishy | in '93-96 or so there was no other way |
| 08:07.20 | starfishy | but nowadays i prefer a good package management system |
| 08:07.20 | oritemis | jm_: Ok, I will try, thanks the start. |
| 08:07.22 | jshriver | to everyone who's heard me bitch and complain.. thanks for helping me and sticking it out... |
| 08:07.45 | Azar | oritemis, I do not want you to feel awkward or offended, but Debian uses some elegant rules from installation to administration, you could take one or two days to accomodate with them.. |
| 08:07.51 | mhall | jshriver: don't say anything in a philosophy channel unless you have a phd already |
| 08:08.00 | mhall | jshriver: they won't even send you links or a faq |
| 08:08.03 | jshriver | stock kernel still messes up because it tries to load modules for both onboard and PCI... but my 2.6.15.1 works fine :) |
| 08:08.04 | mhall | jshriver: it's fucked up |
| 08:08.13 | jshriver | ? lol |
| 08:08.14 | oritemis | Azar: I am listing. |
| 08:08.26 | mhall | jshriver: in reply to your 'bitch and complain' observation |
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| 08:08.42 | mhall | jshriver: i was saying until now i never realized how freewheeling and fun #debian was |
| 08:08.43 | andy_ | can some one help me make my audio work??? |
| 08:08.43 | fooz | is 2.6.16-rc1 fun? |
| 08:08.44 | Azar | mhall... hmm philosophy like what: abstinence by mister abstin? |
| 08:08.50 | jshriver | why do you have to have a Ph.D to discuss philosphy? Some of the best "philosphers" have been old guys with no HS degree at a local coffee shop |
| 08:09.08 | jshriver | andy: I just spent 2-3 days doing the same ... what's wrong? |
| 08:09.12 | myren | is there anything on top of defoma i can use to get fonts working? |
| 08:09.17 | myren | some of my apps cant find the fixed font |
| 08:09.21 | myren | and they seem to need it |
| 08:10.17 | andy_ | i have totem player and when i ask it to play is says"Totem could not play 'file:///... This is an audio-only file, and there is no audio output available" |
| 08:10.33 | starfishy | myren: aptitude reinstall x-window-system:? |
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| 08:10.50 | Azar | andy_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/09/msg00595.html |
| 08:10.59 | jshriver | mhall, this is a nice channel... it's relatively friendly and helpful... to many #linux oriented channels are fill with to many "l33t" ppl saying rtfm and shut up... |
| 08:11.06 | jshriver | s/to/too |
| 08:11.14 | myren | starfishy: i dunna think that's going to fix nothing |
| 08:11.15 | fooz | jshriver, rtfm and shut up. |
| 08:11.19 | fooz | jshriver, btw, i'm l33t |
| 08:11.20 | jm_ | haha |
| 08:11.21 | jshriver | heh |
| 08:11.46 | starfishy | myren: that will fix potential problems with the package installation |
| 08:11.51 | jshriver | brb |
| 08:11.57 | starfishy | if that doesnt fix it you need to check your config |
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| 08:13.15 | myren | my FontPath's are good |
| 08:13.43 | mhall | jshriver: yeah for real |
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| 08:14.00 | mhall | fooz: actually you've been in here forever, so that might not be too inaccurate after all |
| 08:14.10 | fooz | nah not forever |
| 08:14.14 | mhall | fooz: i think maybe you are here longer than me |
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| 08:14.24 | fooz | anyway, i'm so quiet that every time i speak up, everyone thinks i'm a newb or something |
| 08:14.31 | mhall | fooz: i'm trying to remember which people used to help when i was here first |
| 08:14.43 | mhall | fooz: i recall doogie and Overfiend |
| 08:14.47 | fooz | when i joined, xk is and angel were around, if that helps |
| 08:14.57 | mhall | fooz: yeah xk is a good dude |
| 08:15.03 | mhall | i came in 1998 |
| 08:15.10 | fooz | i think i was after that |
| 08:15.14 | mhall | fooz: you used to be a lot noisier |
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| 08:15.21 | mhall | fooz: if i recall right |
| 08:15.26 | fooz | yeah. too busy now. also i know everything already |
| 08:15.31 | fooz | :) |
| 08:15.46 | Flimzy | It probably stands to reason that most regulars here _used_ to be noisier... before they knew Debian as well as they do now |
| 08:15.52 | nnacht | Hi! Can somebody tell me how to let a program start automactilly at boot? |
| 08:16.04 | ISV-Kran | I must go....good luck ortemis |
| 08:16.07 | tarzeau | nnacht: /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
| 08:16.11 | fooz | i didn't come here to get help so much as i like a crowd of people with similar interests |
| 08:16.16 | ISV-Kran | (y) |
| 08:16.21 | nnacht | tarzeau, thanks, let me try |
| 08:16.23 | Azar | tarzeau huh? |
| 08:16.29 | Flimzy | fooz: yeah, that was me, too |
| 08:16.31 | Guerin | ok, I need dns ninjas |
| 08:16.39 | fooz | i had lots of fun trolling lazarus. |
| 08:16.42 | FireflyST | can anyone tell me how to show all detected disks? |
| 08:16.42 | mhall | fooz: makes sense |
| 08:16.42 | Azar | hi Guerin :) |
| 08:16.47 | Flimzy | Now I come when I do need help (which is not so often), or when I'm bored |
| 08:16.50 | tarzeau | nnacht: you'll want to ln -s /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat /etc/rc2.d/S99autoexec.bat |
| 08:16.55 | tarzeau | nnacht: and also chmod +x it |
| 08:17.00 | tarzeau | Azar: huh? |
| 08:17.00 | mhall | it's really fascinating how the channel has changed since 1998 |
| 08:17.11 | mhall | hard to believe the percentage of my life that's been spent in it |
| 08:17.11 | fooz | it's turned into #sundaybloodysunday |
| 08:17.16 | tarzeau | mhall: how? i've only been here since very late 199 |
| 08:17.19 | tarzeau | 9 |
| 08:17.24 | Flimzy | FireflyST: I don't think there is such a command. Especially when you consider that "detected" and "disks" are both have very context-sensative definitions. |
| 08:17.31 | tarzeau | fooz: alot of people have left |
| 08:17.33 | mhall | tarzeau: used to be a lot quieter, calmer, more intellectual |
| 08:17.33 | Flimzy | s/are both/both/ |
| 08:17.37 | nnacht | tarzeua: only a link to /etc/rc2.d? not to other rc3.d etc? |
| 08:17.42 | Guerin | why would host, dig and nslookup correctly look up an ip address from a name, but no other programs (firefox, thunderbird, ssh, irssi, lynx, ping) can? |
| 08:17.51 | mhall | tarzeau: i remember life before the BFINNY trolls began; it went to hell after that |
| 08:17.54 | tarzeau | nnacht: yes rc2.d is enough depends what you really want |
| 08:17.55 | fooz | yeah, but the problem is really, the old people that are still here are like me: idle |
| 08:18.09 | nnacht | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 08:18.11 | mhall | tarzeau: part of the problem is, there is not the same preponderance of developers |
| 08:18.12 | fooz | or they're ops and only respond when paged |
| 08:18.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: got a dns cache? |
| 08:18.14 | Azar | tarzeau it is first time I hear about autoexec.bat since the Win3.1 times.. |
| 08:18.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: locally? nope. |
| 08:18.30 | tarzeau | Azar: it's just a name |
| 08:18.31 | fooz | and the channel's gotten a lot of new people that help out, but are somewhat clueless or rude sometimes |
| 08:18.41 | mhall | tarzeau: instead you get user experts, and they become very elitist from dealing with the misery of the traffic |
| 08:18.43 | Guerin | tarzeau: fails instantly on ALL names. Even names which won't be cached. |
| 08:18.51 | mhall | tarzeau: like mwilson, and occasionally sussudio |
| 08:18.52 | nnacht | tarzeau: what I really want is to make a firewall script start. Is there a better way for that? |
| 08:18.53 | tarzeau | Guerin: very strange |
| 08:18.57 | fooz | i love mwilson :D |
| 08:19.01 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah, really fucking strange |
| 08:19.05 | Azar | tarzeau, makes sense then, since I have not seen such on my init.d directory |
| 08:19.13 | mhall | fooz: abusing the new users like he did results in more BFINNYs |
| 08:19.14 | tarzeau | !seen sussudio |
| 08:19.14 | dpkg | sussudio <i=suss@unaffiliated/sussudio> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16d 20h 17m 40s ago, saying: '!bear jm_'. |
| 08:19.18 | mhall | fooz: *not* a good thing |
| 08:19.23 | tarzeau | mhall: and abrotman? |
| 08:19.33 | jm_ | Guerin: those tools don't use nslookup, they sue system's resolver |
| 08:19.47 | jm_ | use* |
| 08:19.48 | mhall | tarzeau: he swears a lot but generally doesn't abuse new users out of spite |
| 08:19.48 | Guerin | jm_: meaning resolv.conf? |
| 08:20.08 | mhall | jm_: although the idea of somebody suing the resolver doesn't seem farfetch |
| 08:20.18 | mhall | jm_: what with how regulation is these days |
| 08:20.19 | tarzeau | mhall: who is the one with the poison needle for idiots you or mwilson? |
| 08:20.23 | jm_ | Guerin: well yeah, getent hosts foo |
| 08:20.32 | Flimzy | what happened to mwilson? I haven't seen him lately |
| 08:20.39 | tarzeau | !seen mwilson |
| 08:20.39 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 107d 11h 14m 16s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 08:20.41 | mhall | tarzeau: i'm fairly patient, but once over the threshold i tend to use 'fuck you' or some such |
| 08:20.43 | Guerin | jm_: ok. So what method do normal programs, such as the ones which are failing, use? |
| 08:20.46 | mhall | Flimzy: banned! |
| 08:20.50 | Flimzy | heh |
| 08:20.51 | fooz | naah, mwilson can't cause good people to suddenly turn into l33t hax0rs |
| 08:20.57 | Flimzy | mhall: Can't say I'll miss him |
| 08:21.08 | mhall | fooz: not 1337 h4x0r, more like open proxy spam |
| 08:21.17 | tarzeau | mhall: i'm very patiend real life, but here i've kinda no nerves for people that can't read telling them more than twice the same thing |
| 08:21.22 | mhall | fooz: and i saw it happen not long after mwilson infuriated people |
| 08:21.25 | fooz | it's just that so many people online, especially those getting into linux, were raised by monkeys |
| 08:21.30 | jm_ | Guerin: whichever resolvers are configured (typically it's hosts and dns) -- man nsswitch.conf |
| 08:21.38 | fooz | unsupervised childre |
| 08:21.47 | mhall | tarzeau: well ... perhaps you should give people here a little more patience too |
| 08:21.54 | mhall | tarzeau: but i understand everybody has limits |
| 08:22.07 | mhall | tarzeau: i have my own so don't think i'm trying to be hypocritical |
| 08:22.24 | mhall | it's just, i struggle with it, so i try to encourage it and push myself ahead as well |
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| 08:22.46 | Azar | coping with net crowds: classical music and a logical game in between convos.. |
| 08:22.52 | mhall | also, i hope that when i fuck up in the channel (which is not nearly as often as i did even half a year ago), that people would call me on it |
| 08:23.01 | tarzeau | Azar: which logical games? |
| 08:23.10 | mhall | Azar: the big problem is how far offtopic it can go and how quickly |
| 08:23.21 | mhall | Azar: admittedly i used to be a pathologically off topic guy |
| 08:23.30 | tarzeau | mhall: off topic isn't that bad. it's just horrible when people don't listen |
| 08:23.35 | mhall | Azar: but i rewrote my ConductBehavior class to throw ECHAN |
| 08:23.49 | Guerin | jm_: hosts: files dns mdns # normal? |
| 08:23.52 | Azar | tarzeau, xgammon, mahjong, pathological.. |
| 08:24.00 | jm_ | Guerin: yes |
| 08:24.03 | Flimzy | And that half the ppl who want to call you on something are just as OT/bad-tempered/whatever as you, or more, sometimes |
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| 08:24.59 | mhall | Flimzy: *SO* true |
| 08:24.59 | tarzeau | Azar: gnurobbo? pathogen? gridlock.app (can do networking! very much board games, like 20-30)? |
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| 08:24.59 | Azar | mhall once in a while one needs an "away" break otherwise it goes bad |
| 08:24.59 | mhall | Flimzy: there is this certain operator who shall remain nameless that does precisely that to me |
| 08:25.10 | mhall | Flimzy: bashes me when i go offtopic with something computer related |
| 08:25.15 | Azar | tarzeau, since I do not use gnome..or kde I only cope with what I can use |
| 08:25.16 | myren | oh blaster bolts. defoma-reconfigure doesnt touch or regen /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/lib/fonts/misc |
| 08:25.21 | myren | which is where the fonts i need are |
| 08:25.23 | mhall | Flimzy: only to swear and go on comedy and sex rants minutes afterward |
| 08:25.26 | mhall | Flimzy: or troll n00bs |
| 08:25.27 | myren | WTF is wrong with you stupid POS |
| 08:25.29 | Azar | pathogen not in sarge.. |
| 08:25.51 | mhall | myren: i appreciate that swearing euphemism |
| 08:25.56 | mhall | myren: i am tempted to adopt it |
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| 08:26.13 | Flimzy | There's nothing like being cussed at for politely asking a slightly-OT question ("that's only in non-free, so don't ask it here!" type crap) |
| 08:26.21 | Flimzy | or being accused of trolling by a troll |
| 08:26.22 | Flimzy | *sigh* |
| 08:26.30 | mhall | myren: can you dodge the font conf file problem by switching over to font server |
| 08:26.30 | Azar | see what I am saying... |
| 08:26.30 | Flimzy | when this world is perfect, IRC will be SOOO much easier |
| 08:26.31 | Flimzy | :P |
| 08:26.39 | mhall | Flimzy: yes; quite. |
| 08:27.17 | Flimzy | That will be my first task after I die... to visit IRC to enjoy perfect chat! |
| 08:27.23 | Guerin | jm_: ok. Having deleted several commented lines from resolv.conf, it's now working again |
| 08:27.27 | Flimzy | (assuming, of course, I end up where I'm hoping) |
| 08:27.28 | Azar | mhall: I imagine there at philosophy channels everyone wants to be right and look smart.. no a pleasant place |
| 08:27.35 | jm_ | Guerin: quality :) |
| 08:27.37 | mhall | Azar: most definitely hideous |
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| 08:27.47 | mhall | Azar: i mean wtf, they won't even give you links |
| 08:27.57 | Guerin | jm_: # is a commented line in resolv.conf, right? |
| 08:28.01 | Guerin | tell me I'm not insane |
| 08:28.10 | Azar | mhall :) I remember the old usenet style |
| 08:28.19 | mhall | Azar: when i was struggling to get any basic question answered one of them finely said 'get lost, creep' |
| 08:28.20 | Flimzy | Guerin: yeah |
| 08:28.27 | Guerin | so wtf |
| 08:28.30 | Guerin | i mean |
| 08:28.46 | Flimzy | For all it's faults... this channel is *still* the best place to find help... even OT help |
| 08:28.47 | Guerin | there were about a dozen nameservers in there, but all except three were commented |
| 08:28.53 | mhall | Guerin: pipe to od and look for strange chars? |
| 08:28.55 | Flimzy | If you don't believe me, try #FreeBSD on any IRC network |
| 08:28.55 | jm_ | Guerin: man page doesn't mention anything about comments |
| 08:28.56 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 08:28.57 | mhall | Guerin: check bts? |
| 08:29.04 | Guerin | jm_: no, it doesn't eh. |
| 08:29.10 | Guerin | mhall: no recent updates |
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| 08:29.26 | mhall | Guerin: but... wasn't it working before? |
| 08:29.27 | Azar | Guerin, humildely try to remember myself: after editing networks and resolv.conf isnt there a magic spell that would restart interfaces and dns with the right setting? |
| 08:29.30 | tarzeau | Azar: none of those are gnome or kde |
| 08:29.35 | mhall | Guerin: why would it quit if it did not change |
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| 08:29.45 | Guerin | mhall: good question. |
| 08:29.55 | Azar | tarzeau, I did not liked gnurobbo and the others are not offered in Sarge |
| 08:30.11 | Guerin | Azar: i don't know how to do magic, I only know debian. |
| 08:30.15 | tarzeau | Azar: really they are in sarge! |
| 08:30.24 | ootput | hi guys, i was wondering if you had any recommendations for livecds that contain raid support and debootstrap for installations (preferably debian-based.) |
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| 08:30.35 | jm_ | !grml |
| 08:30.35 | dpkg | i heard grml is a Live Linux CD for sysadmins, http://grml.org/ |
| 08:30.37 | Azar | Guerin, yes in debian, is not there a ifdown/ifup thingie? |
| 08:30.58 | Guerin | Azar: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 08:31.35 | Azar | ah!! thanks Guerin!! :) |
| 08:31.39 | tarzeau | i hate people making their own new license with their name in the license |
| 08:31.46 | tarzeau | and i hate people doing redundant linux live cds |
| 08:31.50 | Flimzy | ootput: Isn't RAID support on a livecd sort of oxymoronic? |
| 08:32.07 | Flimzy | ootput: why not just use the default Debian installation? |
| 08:32.52 | Azar | tarzeau I remember you recommended me pathogen and for some reason it did not worked.. I do not remember what was the exact problem |
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| 08:33.09 | Azar | maybe low memory for it? no 3D rendering? something like that |
| 08:33.13 | Guerin | ok, it's not fucking working |
| 08:33.15 | Guerin | it worked ONCE |
| 08:33.19 | Guerin | now it's not again |
| 08:33.31 | tarzeau | Azar: yea 3d rendering |
| 08:33.34 | myren | what should i use for xserver for ttf's? xfs-xtt or xfstt or other? |
| 08:33.45 | tarzeau | Azar: but it should work fine on fast machines without fast nonfree video drivers |
| 08:33.51 | jm_ | X has native support for TTF-s |
| 08:34.06 | ootput | Flimzy: because the installation will be unattended across many different platforms. I'm working on a script that automates everything, so I just need a basic livecd |
| 08:34.11 | wireddd | exit |
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| 08:34.15 | wireddd | oops |
| 08:34.24 | ootput | Flimzy: much more flexible that way |
| 08:34.30 | Flimzy | ootput: How do you intend to automate something for multiple __platforms__? |
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| 08:34.39 | tarzeau | ootput: why not netboot/netinstall of debian sarge? |
| 08:34.43 | tarzeau | ootput: with your own kernel? |
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| 08:34.50 | Azar | tarzeau my machine has a set of conservative hardware, nVidia moderate (64MB) it was ment just to learn Debian, not a gaming box |
| 08:34.51 | tarzeau | !sarge2.6.14 |
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| 08:35.15 | ootput | tarzeau: own kernel |
| 08:35.20 | tarzeau | Azar: k, did i tell i've got a strong valk near medusa in nethack? |
| 08:35.23 | mhall | tarzeau: the problem is, no major distro makes a good official live CD |
| 08:35.35 | tarzeau | mhall: and yes, why is that a problem? |
| 08:35.38 | wam | Hi! When copying something to my host via scp or sftp, the files are created with umask 077. I'd like them to be created with 022 - where can I set this? When logging in with ssh, my umask is 022. |
| 08:35.48 | jm_ | Ubuntu has a live CD, no idea how good it is |
| 08:35.51 | mhall | tarzeau: the ubuntu and gentoo ones don't count either; they are terrible |
| 08:35.52 | Azar | tarzeau wow cool, I only managed to get the highest 5 levels down so far... |
| 08:35.53 | tarzeau | mhall: as long as there are no computers without cdrom, or without harddisk... |
| 08:35.55 | mhall | jm_: ^^^ |
| 08:35.56 | ootput | Flimzy: archs, i guess: both i386 and 64 |
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| 08:36.16 | tarzeau | Azar: you die of monsters or starving? what class? |
| 08:36.20 | jm_ | mhall: Gentoo Sparc was quite useful for me |
| 08:36.21 | Flimzy | ootput: So coming back to the original question... why not use the default Debian install CD? |
| 08:36.22 | mhall | tarzeau: well, I for one see great value in them |
| 08:36.27 | wireddd | there is a way to get opengl to work without the nvidia kernel isn't there? |
| 08:36.28 | Azar | tarzeau mostly of starving |
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| 08:36.44 | mhall | tarzeau: I use them to help teach computer science courses |
| 08:36.46 | tarzeau | Azar: you can keep some combestiles like lichen corpses, carry them around |
| 08:36.54 | mhall | tarzeau: Because you can preconfigure all the tools you need, ready to go. |
| 08:36.57 | Azar | tarzeau I manage to avoid/or kill monsters easily is just the starving thingie |
| 08:36.57 | tarzeau | Azar: and don't be so picky what you eat, all what's fresh is generally good |
| 08:37.07 | mhall | tarzeau: And not have to deal with disasters and complaints from users. |
| 08:37.13 | Azar | I know but some get rotten and make me sick |
| 08:37.16 | tarzeau | Azar: do you go the main dungeon or gnomish mines (here you find lotsa food) |
| 08:37.25 | tarzeau | Azar: eat them while they are fresh! ;) |
| 08:37.30 | ootput | Flimzy: nothing wrong with the installer. I won't use it, that's all. |
| 08:37.40 | Azar | :) ok thanks for the tip |
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| 08:37.49 | tarzeau | mhall: biggest problem we have with debian is, the kernel they ship doesn't support like 20% of our hardware |
| 08:38.04 | tarzeau | mhall: if kernels could be updated in stable, that'd be one big plus |
| 08:38.12 | tarzeau | mhall: but there is this funny policy |
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| 08:38.40 | apikoros | nothing wrong with testing :) |
| 08:38.43 | araldit | Im having a little trouble with my usb mic. The mic works fine, but I want the mic to be dsp1 not dsp2, and cant seem to figure out how it get assigned to this device number. Im using udev. Can someone tell me if its a udev rule that should be made or if I should do the adding of modules aliases in the modutils dir. |
| 08:38.44 | tarzeau | mhall: it would be ok if debian released stable yearly |
| 08:38.44 | Flimzy | ootput: Well... I think that's a rather silly attitude to take. but you have full right to the attitude. but then that's "what we support"... so it'll be more of a challenge to get help here with anything else |
| 08:38.48 | Azar | tarzeau first step after a fresh install is getting the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 08:38.57 | tarzeau | Azar: 2.6.8 is way too old |
| 08:39.00 | wireddd | tarzeau, thats one of the reasons I run testing |
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| 08:39.08 | tarzeau | Azar: the latest 2.4 or 2.6 kernel is much better |
| 08:39.10 | Azar | :( way too stable you mean |
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| 08:39.18 | tarzeau | wireddd: testing gets you into other troubles |
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| 08:39.46 | Azar | tarzeau I do not like experimenting with kernels outside the stable distro |
| 08:39.51 | wireddd | well you just have to be a little carefull with apt-get |
| 08:39.57 | tarzeau | Azar: we run them, and it works fairly well |
| 08:40.15 | ootput | Flimzy: ah, i see. I was only after recommendations; I won't trouble the channel with unrelated material. If I do encounter problems, it'd only be at the script-level, and not really software related |
| 08:40.16 | tarzeau | Azar: we must, since we have hardware that will otherwise just not work |
| 08:40.24 | apikoros | azar: "experimenting" makes it sound as tho upgrading the kernel means taking a walk on mars |
| 08:40.34 | apikoros | 2.6.15 are still good ole' linux and work |
| 08:40.40 | Flimzy | ootput: There's no law that says you can't script the official install CD |
| 08:40.42 | ootput | Flimzy: it's not a silly attitude. I just can't go into much more detail atm |
| 08:40.42 | apikoros | (for the most part) seamlessly with older linux architectures. |
| 08:40.46 | Azar | tarzeau right, wait to see the next-get built-for-vista hardware drivers.. gonna get nuts |
| 08:41.15 | myren | death to the riddick |
| 08:41.24 | wireddd | if by nuts you mean full of bugs |
| 08:41.26 | ootput | Flimzy: there's no law that prevents thinking differently :) |
| 08:41.37 | ootput | well, besides from some U.S. ones |
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| 08:41.42 | Azar | wiredd, nothing new about buggy drivers |
| 08:42.01 | wireddd | yeah but new windows+new drivers never works well |
| 08:42.03 | Flimzy | ootput: Well I still think it's a silly attitude... I can't imagine any time when usuing, or adapting the Debian install CD would not be a suitable method to install Debian on i386 or a64 hardware. |
| 08:42.27 | Flimzy | ootput: Fortunately, there's also no law that says you can't have silly attitudes. :P |
| 08:42.36 | ootput | Flimzy: amen |
| 08:43.04 | Azar | ok my box is getting hammered again |
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| 08:43.58 | araldit | What is the right way to change /dev/dsp2 to /dev/dsp1. Im using udev and alsa? |
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| 08:44.01 | Flimzy | ootput: just seems like reinventing the wheel. Which, admitedly, can be fun sometimes. But rarely very useful. |
| 08:44.04 | Azar | Feb 2 00:43:12 egeon sshd[26411]: Illegal user bart from ::ffff:125.248.144.98 bot or not.. I guess but |
| 08:44.07 | Azar | bot |
| 08:45.17 | Azar | wow he is here :) on this channel |
| 08:45.48 | ootput | Flimzy: it's ultimately an innovation |
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| 08:46.44 | ootput | Flimzy: but it's ok. I'm working on grml atm. not a bad choice either. |
| 08:47.04 | Flimzy | ootput: Sure, innovation is useful. But to build a better car, you don't have to start by building a better wheel :P |
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| 08:53.03 | araldit | udev is handling the modules loading and configuration of every devices in the system right? |
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| 08:54.24 | jm_ | araldit: certainly not on my system |
| 08:54.44 | myren | araldit: vaguely, if its installed |
| 08:54.53 | myren | hotplug was actually a whole lot better at installing modules for me i found |
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| 08:56.58 | araldit | if udev is handling the modules loading, is the modules settings in /etc/modutils depricated? |
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| 08:58.08 | araldit | anyone? |
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| 08:59.33 | jm_ | no, it should still be used |
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| 09:00.10 | Pegger | when i apt-get upgrading postgreSQL to 8 |
| 09:00.11 | Pegger | ??? |
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| 09:00.31 | Gnea | and yet, it isn't. /etc/modprobe.d/ is the new /etc/modutils/, basically |
| 09:01.00 | Alam_Debian | how do i find out what package do an existing file belongs to? |
| 09:01.05 | araldit | jm_: k, so the order is.. first the kernel finds the devices, udev is run, and the appropriate udev rules runs. Then if a specific rule is specified in /etc/modutils the options there will be used, is the correct? |
| 09:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Alam_Debian: dpkg -S foofile; |
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| 09:01.21 | Gnea | Alam_Debian: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 09:01.31 | jm_ | araldit: sorry, I didn't read it correctly - I read it as "/etc/modules", not modutils - modutils is nto sued for 2.6 kernels |
| 09:01.38 | jm_ | bah not used |
| 09:02.07 | Gnea | there's nothing wrong with being backwards compatible :) |
| 09:02.18 | Gnea | ...for now |
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| 09:03.09 | araldit | jm_ : k, so what u are saing is that all handling of modules is through the rules of udev, not the modules.conf file anymore |
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| 09:03.32 | jm_ | araldit: no, it depends on your system, I don't use udev at all |
| 09:03.51 | litage | i popped a cd into my dvd-rom and tried to mount it, but mount says "mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist", which is true: /dev/hdc doesn't exist. how can i fix this? |
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| 09:04.12 | Gnea | araldit: the module options that udev looks for are now in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 09:04.46 | jm_ | it should honour the settings in modprobe.d, as it loads the modules via modprobe |
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| 09:05.05 | Inflicted | Greetings! I am trying to install Debian 3.1r1 (Sarge) on a Dell PowerEdge 850 server. The server has SATA drives (no RAID) and the Debian Installer can't find the disks at the Partitioning menu. I've tried 'linux26' and 'expert26', but no luck. Any ideas?? |
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| 09:05.23 | araldit | Gnea: thx. so modprobe.d is the place to make changes to the options of speciffic modules... |
| 09:05.33 | jm_ | Inflicted: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 09:05.51 | Azar | litage usually hdc is for cdrom, I do not know which device is assigned for a dvd |
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| 09:06.28 | Azar | Inflicted look in BIOS and see what HD type is assigned there |
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| 09:06.53 | araldit | Gnea and jm_ thx alot. |
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| 09:07.03 | Azar | ah oh jm_ higher kernel.. |
| 09:07.19 | jm_ | litage: why is /dev/hdc not there? |
| 09:07.31 | Inflicted | Azar: In the BIOS, the drives are assigned to type SATA. The only options I have in the BIOS are: Enable/Disable SATA Controller. |
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| 09:07.42 | litage | jm_: i don't know. /dev/hd* doesn't exist, and /dev/sda is the only sd* |
| 09:07.51 | jm_ | litage: are you using udev? |
| 09:08.04 | Azar | Inflicted: only if your drives are not SATA, if they are then follow jm_ for a higher kernel |
| 09:08.31 | s-toned | litage: which device is your dvd then? |
| 09:08.39 | litage | jm_: udev is installed. i'm not sure if that means i'm using udev though |
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| 09:08.55 | litage | s-toned: how can i determine which device is the dvd-rom? |
| 09:08.59 | Inflicted | Azar: I will probably need a newer kernel. But how can I can a newer 2.6.x kernel on a an Debian Sarge ISO? |
| 09:09.02 | jm_ | litage: ls /sys/block |
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| 09:09.23 | Azar | Inflicted: jm_ knows how to backport a higher kernel to Sarge |
| 09:09.39 | litage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.56 | jm_ | so it didn't recognize your DVD-ROM - missing kernel support? |
| 09:10.45 | Inflicted | jm_: Should I download that custom ISO of Debian? I want Debian Sarge/Stable - nothing in testing! |
| 09:10.59 | jm_ | Inflicted: yes |
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| 09:11.14 | litage | jm_: i guess it must be.. |
| 09:11.33 | jm_ | litage: are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 09:11.59 | litage | jm_: yes. i'm running testing with 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 09:12.12 | jm_ | litage: do you have ide-cd module loaded? |
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| 09:12.47 | litage | jm_: ide_cd, cdrom, ide_core are loaded |
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| 09:14.01 | jm_ | litage: but no ide-generic? |
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| 09:14.48 | litage | jm_: yes, ide_generic is loaded |
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| 09:15.48 | fireba11 | hi everyone .. got a little problem with rsync: i'm rsyncing 3 huge backup files every day .. now i did set it to just copy the whole file fi it was changed, way faster ... BUT rsync is copying the new file, THEN replacing the old one .. rsync --help says it should delete THEN put the new file there --delete-before didn't help either. any ideas ? |
| 09:15.58 | jm_ | litage: wait, is it an IDE DVD-ROM at all? |
| 09:16.11 | litage | jm_: let me check |
| 09:16.53 | litage | jm_: yes |
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| 09:17.29 | jm_ | litage: how do you know? :) |
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| 09:18.12 | litage | jm_: just cracked open the case |
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| 09:18.29 | Eclipser | anyone know a solution to this problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ruby/2006/01/msg00015.html - I'm having the same problem |
| 09:18.42 | jm_ | litage: hmm what kind of motherboard is it? |
| 09:19.17 | HazyNRG | hi, where can i find the C++ headers (iostream, etc..) ? |
| 09:19.41 | tarzeau | where to get the cheapest domain names? |
| 09:19.41 | litage | jm_: gigabyte i believe. i can crack it open again and grab the model # if you'd like |
| 09:19.50 | jm_ | libstdc++ devel package |
| 09:19.52 | litage | tarzeau: which TLD(s)? |
| 09:20.12 | HazyNRG | tnx :)) |
| 09:20.12 | tarzeau | litage: any, the shorter the better |
| 09:20.18 | jm_ | litage: with Intel chipset? |
| 09:20.22 | litage | jm_: yes, ICH6 |
| 09:21.28 | litage | jm_: which is why i'm using 2.6.14 rather than .12 |
| 09:21.39 | jm_ | litage: you mean .15? |
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| 09:21.44 | d0uglas | is there a readme i can hit up to fix these security key problems everyone else is having in apt |
| 09:21.50 | litage | jm_: yes |
| 09:21.52 | sep | fireba11, i think the --delete-before/after etc is only used on the --delete statement ie for when a file is to be removed only. |
| 09:22.05 | crypt_ex | I have Debian backports setup correctly, but the amsn is exactly the same as Sarge, that cant be right can it. Do you think I haveup backports wrong? |
| 09:22.33 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: heh i did an amsn backports for bpo.org but it's stuck in NEW |
| 09:22.39 | tralala | d0uglas: there is the /topic |
| 09:22.51 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: want me to put it on another place? |
| 09:22.51 | d0uglas | ah |
| 09:22.56 | fireba11 | sep: could be .. isn't there a way to get rsync to delete a file that is about to get updated ? i got 3 30 GB files .. don't have the additional 30 GB needed if it is copied first |
| 09:22.57 | ootput | crypt_ex: pinning? |
| 09:23.02 | crypt_ex | bpo.org, whats that? Just checking. |
| 09:23.04 | tarzeau | ootput: bpo doesn't have amsn yet |
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| 09:23.07 | tarzeau | !bpo |
| 09:23.13 | ootput | crypt_ex: fire up aptitude to see if it's available |
| 09:23.14 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: it's short for backports |
| 09:23.19 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: bug nobse about it |
| 09:23.28 | jm_ | litage: hmm don't know if one needs piix module or not |
| 09:23.33 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, I basically added the line to sources.list, the preferances, then executed apt-get -t sarge-backports install amsn |
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| 09:23.45 | sep | fireba11, not to my knowlegde since rsync usualy do the minor changes of the file it's usualy needed to have the old one |
| 09:23.47 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: the thing is if backports.org doesn't have it, you can't get it |
| 09:23.54 | litage | jm_: i'll try loading it |
| 09:23.56 | d0uglas | shad0w |
| 09:24.00 | d0uglas | woops |
| 09:24.11 | crypt_ex | hmm |
| 09:24.14 | sep | fireba11, why are you'r 30GB slower to rsync then to copy are you perhaps doing a tar without the --rsyncable argument ? |
| 09:24.14 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: usually backports get processed quickly, i don't know why it hangs now. ask nobse |
| 09:24.25 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: nobse@debian.org |
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| 09:24.58 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, okay, but am I doing everything correct my end first though. I mean, do I need to remove the sarge amsn deb, then do the apt-get -t sarge-backports install amsn? |
| 09:25.04 | fireba11 | sep: hm .. "normal" syncing of a 30 GB file takes some hours and a lor of CPU ^^ those are bacula HD files .. probably compressed without any regards to make it syncable |
| 09:25.05 | sep | fireba11, umm that was gz that have the --rsyncable my mind is failing me |
| 09:25.20 | sep | fireba11, ahh crapage.. |
| 09:25.21 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: no need to remove sarge one |
| 09:25.28 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: the version in backports is higher, thus gets updated |
| 09:25.41 | crypt_ex | ah, nothing gets updated. |
| 09:25.42 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: no idea about pinning. i don't like it |
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| 09:25.51 | crypt_ex | pinning, thats new to me. |
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| 09:26.09 | fireba11 | sep: bacula got moving of backups planned for a future release ... ^^ |
| 09:26.16 | sep | fireba11, i guess you might as well do a ssh destination 'rm /old/file' before the rsync then. |
| 09:26.25 | crypt_ex | emailing nobse@debian.org |
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| 09:26.34 | litage | jm_: after modprobing piix and ata_piix, should /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc have been created automatically? |
| 09:26.50 | fireba11 | sep: probably .. the thing is only one of the 3 files is to sync since i use a different backup file each day |
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| 09:26.53 | jm_ | litage: check dmesg first |
| 09:27.05 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: btw i've got some magic to do backports |
| 09:27.05 | jm_ | litage: you don't need ata_piix |
| 09:27.06 | sep | fireba11, is rsync in noncompare mode significantly faster then scp ? |
| 09:27.27 | tarzeau | dpkg simple sid backport is also http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 09:27.27 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 09:28.05 | fireba11 | sep: don't know .. but rsync can easily only copy the file that has changed :-) |
| 09:28.08 | pink1 | Is the latest version of gaim going to be packaged anytime soon? |
| 09:28.17 | tarzeau | pink1: ask the maintainer? |
| 09:28.25 | pink1 | who's that? |
| 09:28.37 | tarzeau | pink1: apt-cache show gaim | grep ^Maint |
| 09:28.38 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, ah your man who creates all those lovely deb files and weeds out those horrible dependicies errors? :) |
| 09:28.42 | karl | Hi all, i have a problem with apt and synaptic, i have to ping the repo server before apt or synaptic can access the repos. example on http://pastebin.com/535063 Any ideas?? |
| 09:28.56 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: you use GNUstep ? |
| 09:28.58 | pink1 | tarzeau: cheers |
| 09:29.14 | crypt_ex | Nope, Gnome. |
| 09:29.17 | GenneX | hey guys |
| 09:29.24 | crypt_ex | I used to windowmaker, but happy with Gnome atm. |
| 09:29.26 | fluxdude | does samba come compiled with winbind kerberos and ldap support compiled in? |
| 09:29.32 | sep | fireba11, ahh. humm if you could get bacula to make a new filename each time you could use rsync with --delete |
| 09:29.38 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: i don't do all these lovely deb files. more than 1500 people do |
| 09:29.39 | GenneX | how would I make a .deb file from a tarball i downloaded ? |
| 09:29.45 | litage | jm_: after loading piix and putting a cd into the dvd-rom, nothing in dmesg's output has changed |
| 09:29.49 | tarzeau | GenneX: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 09:29.55 | deadcat | GenneX: dh-make |
| 09:29.57 | jm_ | litage: can you paste it on some paste site? |
| 09:30.00 | crypt_ex | and dont they do a good job :) |
| 09:30.01 | fireba11 | sep: true .. but that would not be a good idea though possible from bacula standpoint ... |
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| 09:30.07 | litage | jm_: what would you like me to paste? |
| 09:30.14 | jm_ | litage: dmesg output |
| 09:30.16 | tarzeau | karl: something wrong with your dns? |
| 09:30.38 | litage | jm_: dmesg's full output, or the last X lines? |
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| 09:30.47 | tarzeau | karl: can you show your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf ? maybe also nsswitch.conf |
| 09:30.50 | jm_ | litage: well say last 20-30 lines |
| 09:30.57 | litage | np |
| 09:31.03 | sep | fireba11, well i would have checked if you could turn off compression in bacula and then compress the files with gz --rsyncable instead and use rsync normaly.. but i am not you :) |
| 09:31.10 | karl | Tarzeau: possibly but i dunno what. all other net and web apps working fine, apt just stopped working a few weeks back. dont remeber changing anything |
| 09:31.18 | deadcat | 9 users in #debian-sparc .. sad |
| 09:31.19 | ootput | what's the name of the utility that allows search-engine querying from the commandline? |
| 09:31.24 | sep | fireba11, would need a large scratch space tho.. |
| 09:31.24 | ootput | surf- something or other |
| 09:31.29 | litage | jm_: it's all eth0 and usb stuff: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z1aQSo57.html |
| 09:31.38 | fireba11 | sep: no good .. backup would have 60 GB otherwise |
| 09:31.47 | Azar | karl how come "stopped working" ? symptom |
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| 09:31.58 | txetemar | spanish channel |
| 09:32.01 | sep | yes as i said, needs a large scratchspace |
| 09:32.03 | tarzeau | karl: just show us the files .. |
| 09:32.08 | Azar | !sp |
| 09:32.09 | dpkg | [sp] troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 09:32.11 | Zodo | Hey folks. I've been trying to set up some packet prioritization through iptables on Sarge w/ K 2.6.8, only to get an odd error. "iptables table 'MANGLE': Table does not exist". I've check that all of the proper iptables modules are listed with lsmod, and I don't get any errors with "iptables -L -t mangle"...has anyone come across this issue before? |
| 09:32.15 | Azar | !es |
| 09:32.16 | Matt-H | !es |
| 09:32.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:32.19 | karl | will put them on pastebin in moment |
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| 09:33.15 | buu | Ok, I've got a .bin file that contains svcd stuff. How do I get the movie out? |
| 09:33.29 | jm_ | litage: and it's the same if you remove all IDE related modules and reload them? |
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| 09:34.33 | GenneX | Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, or kernel module? HUH? |
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| 09:34.58 | GenneX | how would one know what type the package is ? |
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| 09:35.12 | jm_ | read dh-make docs |
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| 09:35.40 | jm_ | alternativelly, look at checkinstall |
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| 09:37.06 | fireba11 | sep: well i'll better read up on rsync some more, maybe there is a way to do it :-) |
| 09:37.32 | karl | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/535072 nsswitch.conf and hosts, resolve.conf is alarmingly empty!! |
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| 09:37.43 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 09:37.57 | fooz | grr.. spent 20 minutes debugging a make problem that was caused by /dev/null getting replaced by a text file |
| 09:38.00 | fooz | wonder how that happened, anyway |
| 09:38.22 | litage | jm_: what i remove ide_cd, dmesg shows this new entry: Uniform CD-ROM driver unloaded |
| 09:38.52 | jm_ | litage: no. ide_cd, ide-generic, piix, ide* |
| 09:38.55 | jm_ | all of them |
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| 09:40.15 | litage | jm_: piix and ata_piix is in use so can't be removed |
| 09:40.31 | litage | jm_: same with ide_generic |
| 09:40.46 | d0uglas | any ETA on the debian.org package search being fixed? |
| 09:41.09 | tarzeau | karl: you got dhcp? what says resolv.conf ? |
| 09:42.08 | d0uglas | and where did all the webmin modules go on apt |
| 09:42.43 | buu | Hrm. I'm trying to use mencoder for this but it's dying trying to initialize my video codec |
| 09:42.44 | sep | !webmin |
| 09:42.44 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 09:42.58 | buu | Er, video device, not codec |
| 09:43.07 | buu | Naturally I'm running it outside of X.. |
| 09:43.30 | karl | tarzeau: DHCP yes, resolv.conf is empty, nothin in it. |
| 09:43.44 | tarzeau | karl: something's wrong. which dhcp client? |
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| 09:44.04 | d0uglas | sep: how about usermin |
| 09:44.15 | karl | tarzeau: not sure what what your getting at |
| 09:44.41 | tarzeau | karl: debian has 20 implementations of each software, which dhcp client do you have? |
| 09:44.43 | sep | d0uglas, i guess you can read that link just as well as i can. that way you save me from having to read it and tell it to you :) |
| 09:44.43 | jm_ | litage: remove them one by one, it should work eventually |
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| 09:45.19 | d0uglas | oh i'm reading it now, just thought usermin was a separate prog |
| 09:45.26 | karl | tarzeau: good question, well asked. how do find out? |
| 09:45.46 | buu | Although on second thought, mplayer plays .bin files fine, so who cares |
| 09:46.03 | EmleyMoor | I am having problems trying to make a bootable CD image - mkisofs is telling me it can't find the boot image, despite the fact that it is there |
| 09:47.07 | jm_ | what kind of bootable CD is it? |
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| 09:47.22 | EmleyMoor | It will be Windows 2000 |
| 09:48.10 | EmleyMoor | I gather it needs to be El Torito format, but the boot image I've got is only 2k |
| 09:48.12 | jm_ | well mkisofs needs a relative path to it |
| 09:48.22 | EmleyMoor | jm_: I gave it a relative path |
| 09:48.44 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: how exactly? |
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| 09:49.22 | tarzeau | karl: dpkg -l | grep dhcp |
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| 09:49.28 | EmleyMoor | Well, if my source for the main part of the filesystem is /scratch/w2k/cd and the boot image is at /scratch/w2k, ../bootimage should work. should it not? |
| 09:49.50 | karl | Tarzeau: ii dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19.1 DHCP Client |
| 09:50.27 | tarzeau | karl: ah the cursed dhcp client |
| 09:50.36 | jm_ | no, if the layout is "mycd/foo/eltorito_img" the usage is "-b foo/eltorito_img ... mycd" |
| 09:50.48 | tarzeau | karl: the one that dies when dns/dhcpd disappear over half an hour... |
| 09:50.57 | tarzeau | karl: THAT dhcpclient is SHIT |
| 09:51.03 | deadcat | whats this really mean? rsync: unrecognized option `--server' |
| 09:51.12 | tarzeau | and whoever is responsible for this to be default in debian sarge should be shot |
| 09:51.32 | deadcat | this is what i use: rsync -avuzt --delete |
| 09:51.36 | karl | tarzeau: ok, so a better one would be?? |
| 09:51.42 | tarzeau | karl: version 3 of it |
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| 09:52.14 | karl | Tarzeau: so if only apt would work i could go get it...... :) |
| 09:52.14 | fireba11 | sep: it seems --inplace will work, will test as soon as my current syncing is done :-) |
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| 09:52.37 | litage | jm_: what does it mean when lsmod writes "[permanent]" beside a module? |
| 09:52.41 | EmleyMoor | Sorry, jm_, having trouble working that out... |
| 09:53.01 | mhall | oof it's late, i had *so many papers* to write |
| 09:53.26 | karl | tarzeau: when you say ver 3 you mean 3.0pl5-19.1 ? |
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| 09:54.10 | EmleyMoor | litage: It is loaded and cannot be removed |
| 09:54.37 | jm_ | litage: I have never seen that printed, let me see if I can find it in the sources |
| 09:54.43 | litage | EmleyMoor: thanks |
| 09:54.44 | litage | jm_: piix and ide_generic are marked permanent |
| 09:54.56 | kevix | hi all. does anyone know what is eqiv. to xmodmap and .xmodmap for console use? |
| 09:55.12 | jm_ | litage: yeah what EmleyMoor said, it can't be removed |
| 09:55.18 | tarzeau | karl: yes |
| 09:55.27 | jm_ | kevix: to do what? |
| 09:55.40 | karl | tarzeau: many thx, i will go get it and see what happens |
| 09:56.00 | litage | if when removing a module, modprobe says "FATAL: Module ata_piix is in use", how can i determine what's using it? |
| 09:56.04 | jm_ | litage: btw, does BIOS find it? |
| 09:56.19 | kevix | jm_: well I got a fancy kbd with multimedia keys. I used xmodmod to map them to commands. and now I want to do that in console. |
| 09:56.20 | litage | jm_: yes, the bios finds it because i installed from it |
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| 09:56.51 | jm_ | litage: then I am lost about this, someone else with similar hardware should be able to help |
| 09:56.59 | EmleyMoor | jm_: Is there something I can refer to on the web to show me the right way to create a bootable .iso? |
| 09:57.39 | kevix | EmleyMoor: wouldn't one of those sites that shows how to remaster knoppix be helpful? |
| 09:57.43 | ootput | any of you fellas use rsnapshot? |
| 09:57.57 | EmleyMoor | kevix: Maybe... |
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| 09:58.35 | EmleyMoor | One that shows how to make slipstreamed W2K CDs when your writer is based on a Linux box would be even better, if it exists |
| 09:58.44 | litage | EmleyMoor: k3b has an option that allows you to create a bootable iso |
| 09:58.51 | tarzeau | karl: some dhcp clients write resolv.conf some don't , depends on configuration of client and dhcp server... |
| 09:59.01 | tarzeau | karl: if it doesn't, man 5 resolv.conf, and write it |
| 09:59.44 | sep | fireba11, nice. let me know how it went. |
| 09:59.49 | EmleyMoor | litage: Is there a way I can install k3b without installing the packaged version of cdrdao? |
| 10:00.02 | litage | EmleyMoor: 'fraid i've no idea |
| 10:00.12 | litage | EmleyMoor: actually, yes there is |
| 10:00.19 | EmleyMoor | Ah yes |
| 10:00.26 | EmleyMoor | (cdrdao is only "suggested") |
| 10:00.26 | litage | EmleyMoor: 2 options |
| 10:00.32 | litage | or that! :) |
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| 10:04.00 | karl | Tarzeau; ok thanks |
| 10:04.01 | doubleukay- | is ALSA used anymore, in the recent kernels? (eg 2.6.15) |
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| 10:04.21 | ootput | sure it is |
| 10:04.59 | fooz | yep |
| 10:05.02 | jonathh | hey can anyone tell me if it is possible to pass stdin to a forked application? |
| 10:05.15 | kevix | EmleyMoor: another more techincal option come to mind... mindi/mondo are software that make bootable isos. use the source, luke! use the 4 freedoms! |
| 10:05.22 | doubleukay- | thanks. am having trouble with my sound - /dev/dsp isn't created. thinking how to go about it.. |
| 10:05.32 | fooz | jonathh, man 2 pipe |
| 10:05.49 | jonathh | man 2 pipe? |
| 10:05.56 | kevix | !crackpipe |
| 10:05.58 | fooz | jonathh, type it. in a terminal. |
| 10:06.02 | jonathh | ah ok ok |
| 10:06.18 | kevix | !dpkg crackpipe |
| 10:06.22 | jm_ | kevix: 2.6 input FAQ has some notes about that |
| 10:06.52 | kevix | jm_: thanks for the pointer. |
| 10:07.09 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: hmm not that I know, which part isn't clear? |
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| 10:11.03 | EmleyMoor | OK - where in k3b is the option to make bootable ISOs? |
| 10:13.17 | EmleyMoor | As for doing it from a command line, I just cannot figure out the relativity |
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| 10:14.53 | EmleyMoor | I think I may have found what I need |
| 10:15.10 | jm_ | mkdir -p mycd/boot && cp <files i need on cd> mycd && cp mybootimg mycd/boot && mkisofs -b boot/mybootimg ... mycd |
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| 10:17.34 | migiel | does anyone know a good administration program, for managing email on multiple domains, using postfix ? |
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| 10:18.05 | fireba11 | migiel: explain what you want to banage :-) |
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| 10:18.10 | fireba11 | manage even |
| 10:18.28 | kevix | migiel: webmin ? |
| 10:18.30 | EmleyMoor | Hmm... turns out the right boot image to use is in BOOTDISK - there are 4 1.4Mb images there |
| 10:18.45 | migiel | fireba11: adding email adresses, etc, just for pop3 clients |
| 10:18.45 | bibe | migiel : a colleague told me about postfix-admin, but I don't know it |
| 10:18.48 | EmleyMoor | Don't know what the difference is but I picked the first one |
| 10:18.58 | markis | hi all |
| 10:19.08 | migiel | ok thanks, kevix, bibe, i'm going to check those |
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| 10:20.09 | McZim | Hello! Tell my please russian chanel for debian!!!?? |
| 10:20.27 | bbrazil | !ru |
| 10:20.27 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 10:21.27 | McZim | thanks |
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| 10:22.34 | tiny | Where can I discuss embedded hardware suported by linux? I'm looking for industrial boards with video frame grabber and ... |
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| 10:23.13 | azeem | tiny: ##linux, maybe? |
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| 10:23.57 | markis | One question...were i download new KDE4 ? for test ? |
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| 10:25.26 | x-x- | kde.org? |
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| 10:26.57 | markis | x-x-: only 3.5.1 |
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| 10:27.38 | x-x- | why's that... if they released it should be there |
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| 10:28.44 | x-x- | try svn |
| 10:29.04 | x-x- | http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html |
| 10:29.31 | kijjaz | newbie question: (i'm new to debian) how do i add more screen resolution? (i'm mainly using gnome) |
| 10:29.57 | EmleyMoor | kijjaz: Configure your xserver to support the mode you want |
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| 10:30.02 | x-x- | kijjaz: edit xorg.conf |
| 10:30.11 | x-x- | or XF86config-4 |
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| 10:30.16 | x-x- | or XF86Config-4 |
| 10:30.17 | kijjaz | Emleymoor & x-x- : thanks! wow.. |
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| 10:30.28 | markis | x-x-: thx |
| 10:30.33 | kijjaz | x-x- : XF86Config-4 hmm.. (never seen that before lol) |
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| 10:30.43 | Eclipser | !drxx kijjaz |
| 10:30.43 | dpkg | kijjaz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:31.14 | h0bbel|wrk | Anyone available to try and help me with logrotate/apache2 ? |
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| 10:31.51 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: details ? it should be set up already if you got a debian install :-) |
| 10:32.00 | kijjaz | dpkg : thanks very much! that should help me config that easily. and how do i find a list of packages i can configure with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 10:32.00 | dpkg | sure thing, kijjaz |
| 10:32.07 | markis | x-x-: As include glx for nvidia ? |
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| 10:32.23 | h0bbel|wrk | thats the strange thing, fireba11, for some reason /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 is missing |
| 10:32.27 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... I used the 4-sector boot image I have and I now get "CDBOOT: Couldn't find NTLDR" when I try to boot from this CD |
| 10:33.02 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: i tried adding the rotate script mentioned on http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/117 in there, but i can't seem to get it to actually do something |
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| 10:34.18 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: i got it and it's working ... |
| 10:34.34 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: sadly that doesn't help me much :-) |
| 10:34.58 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: check file access rights .. and i could post you mine if you need it |
| 10:35.11 | h0bbel|wrk | i even ran logrotate --debug --force /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 -- but can't see any reason why that shouldn't work in the log |
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| 10:36.08 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: what does yours look like? |
| 10:36.29 | fireba11 | you #flood, i'l paste there |
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| 10:38.21 | x-x- | markis: kde? |
| 10:38.26 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: that looks just like mine. :( |
| 10:39.14 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: then ckeck file permissions .. contents of /var/log/apache2 should have root:adm and rw owner and r group |
| 10:39.28 | markis | x-x-: yes |
| 10:39.47 | x-x- | try #kde |
| 10:40.05 | x-x- | kde is the enemy of my friends and enemies |
| 10:40.31 | markis | x-x-: oki thx ... |
| 10:40.32 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: thats what the permissions are |
| 10:40.40 | h0bbel|wrk | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 2659180 2006-02-02 07:16 access.log |
| 10:41.06 | fireba11 | that is correct |
| 10:41.31 | h0bbel|wrk | yep, and verbose output from logrotate doesn't give me any clues either. |
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| 10:41.54 | h0bbel|wrk | it claims to be renaming at all, but nothing actually happens with the logs |
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| 10:42.25 | fireba11 | now that is wired |
| 10:42.49 | EmleyMoor | Has anyone here ever created a bootable .iso of a Windows 2000 CD? |
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| 10:42.58 | J_P | hi all |
| 10:43.01 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: mind it is a weekly rotate by default ? |
| 10:43.05 | EmleyMoor | (if so, how?) |
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| 10:43.21 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: i've tried setting it to daily too just for kicks |
| 10:43.23 | jm_ | EmleyMoor: sure, by burning the image of an original CD :P |
| 10:43.32 | h0bbel|wrk | http://pastebin.com/535121 is the entire output fireba11 |
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| 10:44.11 | bubu32 | how can i boot the 2.6 kernel for the 3.1 distro? i have downloaded all 14 cd`s. |
| 10:44.16 | jcdubacq | hi. Anybody uses rhythmbox to share music ? |
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| 10:44.33 | EmleyMoor | jm_: Yes - but in this case I need to make a slipstreamed |
| 10:44.41 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: looks good .. you 100% sure it's not doing anything ?? |
| 10:44.43 | EmleyMoor | This is for a machine that fails to install SP4 over non-SP |
| 10:45.01 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 806749818 2006-02-02 11:44 h0bbel.p0ggel.org-access.log -- yes, look at the size of that :) |
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| 10:45.17 | pitillo | bubu32, have you installed the 2.6 kernel in your system? or your question is how to install it? |
| 10:45.28 | bubu32 | how to install |
| 10:45.43 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: and ? jsut that its big doesn't mean logrotate is not working |
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| 10:45.52 | bubu32 | i tried to install the 2.4 one but it doesn`t know about sata and i cAN`T go further |
| 10:45.53 | pitillo | bubu32, when you boot from cd try to press f1 |
| 10:46.05 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: look inside the file and verify the dates and times if if couls be correct |
| 10:46.28 | bubu32 | just that? i should press F1 and it goes on automaticly? |
| 10:46.35 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: i'll have a look after lunch, thanks so far |
| 10:46.36 | pitillo | bubu32, you can find help about install linux26 which starts the installation |
| 10:46.44 | h0bbel|wrk | (takes a while to open the logfile) |
| 10:47.00 | bubu32 | ok, thanks |
| 10:47.05 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: not with the right tool :-) |
| 10:47.16 | pitillo | bubu32, you?ll find help there... with f1-f2-f3-...you?ll find help about install options |
| 10:47.23 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk just do a head and tail on it :-) |
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| 11:02.15 | xored | !paste |
| 11:02.15 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
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| 11:03.47 | xored | hello, my pppd is somehow "sometime" disconnection and then ist not able to connect : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1729 . Iam fixen it for one week and iam furstrated :/ |
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| 11:06.20 | draconi | hi, I have a DVD whose filesystem cannot be identified - can I do something to rescue data? |
| 11:06.27 | jaduncan | yes |
| 11:06.34 | mortal | strings |
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| 11:06.46 | jaduncan | what is your DVD dev device? |
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| 11:07.28 | jaduncan | hey |
| 11:07.46 | jaduncan | just finished a web design in a cunning plan for cheap pagerank |
| 11:07.56 | jaduncan | anyone got an opinion on the design? |
| 11:07.58 | jaduncan | http://www.alqaeda.tv/ |
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| 11:08.21 | mateusz | Hi, I cant install bluez-utils, when this will be fixed ?? |
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| 11:09.48 | Haukkari_ | Heya. How do I change the default window manager? As in, I don't want people, who use the computer for the first time, to go to XFCE4 by default |
| 11:09.56 | Haukkari_ | (I want 'em to go to KDE) |
| 11:10.02 | mortal | .xinitrc |
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| 11:10.04 | mortal | or Xsession |
| 11:10.05 | mateusz | update-alternatives --config |
| 11:10.17 | jm_ | it depends on how you start X |
| 11:10.44 | mateusz | Haukkari_: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 11:11.31 | Haukkari_ | mateusz: uh, is /usr/bin/kwin equal to KDE? :) |
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| 11:11.39 | mateusz | Haukkari_: You said window manager |
| 11:11.50 | mateusz | Haukkari_: but you're talking about desktops |
| 11:11.51 | Haukkari_ | isn't KDE a window manager? |
| 11:11.57 | Haukkari_ | uh.. right. |
| 11:12.00 | mateusz | Haukkari_: no it isnt.. its a desktop |
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| 11:12.18 | Haukkari_ | Ok, well, how do I change the whatever the users go to when they log in at KDM to KDE? |
| 11:13.00 | Haukkari_ | x-session-manager I would have to guess. |
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| 11:13.06 | mateusz | Haukkari_: kdm should be able to start kde, xfce, gnome.. sessions.. I guess |
| 11:13.16 | Haukkari_ | mateusz: yeah, but the user would have to choose the right one first |
| 11:13.22 | mateusz | Haukkari_: right |
| 11:13.22 | Haukkari_ | mateusz: and our users can't do that. =) |
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| 11:14.51 | xored | hello, my pppd is somehow "sometime" disconnection and then ist not able to connect : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1729 . Iam fixen it for one week and iam furstrated :/ |
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| 11:16.35 | common | xored: had similar problems, took pppd from unstable and it worked |
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| 11:17.36 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: yeah, i should have. :) Anyway, the first line of my log is from Nov. 12th ... :) |
| 11:18.11 | mateusz | Haukkari_: maybe update-alterntives --config x-session-manager :P |
| 11:18.13 | fireba11 | and the last ? |
| 11:19.12 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: 1 minute ago... |
| 11:19.15 | Haukkari_ | mateusz: yeah, that did it |
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| 11:20.24 | xored | common: which version ? |
| 11:20.38 | fireba11 | the logrotate log is current i take it ? |
| 11:20.38 | xored | common: do i need to upgrade libc6 for that ? |
| 11:20.44 | mateusz | Hey I cant install bluez-utils on sid because of strange dependeces on old makedev ?? Why it wants to install devfsd ?? When this will be fixed? |
| 11:21.04 | mateusz | report bug ? |
| 11:21.14 | mateusz | I sent mail to maintainer.. |
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| 11:23.54 | FlopsyPete | how are USB-attached flash media supposed to be treated, using Debian Testing, kernel 2.6, GNOME. is gnome-volume-manager supposed to auto mount them if there's no entry in fstab for them? this doesn't work for me so I have to use the Disk Mounter applet |
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| 11:24.22 | kevix | mateusz: did you apt-cache show bluez-utils becuse mu |
| 11:24.23 | kevix | y |
| 11:24.24 | Irrumator | FlopsyPete: Are you using udev? |
| 11:24.35 | kevix | mateusz: did you apt-cache show bluez-utils becuse my sid doesnt show that info? |
| 11:24.40 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: yep, from my last manual attempt |
| 11:25.08 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: I assume so, because thats what gnome vol man uses doesn't it? hwo do I find out? |
| 11:25.37 | xored | common: are oyu gone |
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| 11:25.48 | Irrumator | FlopsyPete: ps faux | grep udev |
| 11:26.17 | mateusz | kevix: yes |
| 11:26.24 | mateusz | kevix: ftp.pl.debian.org unstable/main bluez-utils |
| 11:26.28 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: yeah root is running udevd |
| 11:26.45 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: the manual run didn't do anythign either ? |
| 11:26.50 | h0bbel|wrk | n |
| 11:26.53 | h0bbel|wrk | no |
| 11:27.10 | fireba11 | try re-installing logrotate ^^ |
| 11:27.15 | mateusz | kevix: hmm the thing is that I cant it install because it wants to remove most of my software.. |
| 11:27.18 | Irrumator | Add DAEMON_OPTS="--verbose=yes --use-syslog" to /etc/default/hal |
| 11:27.22 | Irrumator | Plug a device in |
| 11:27.26 | kevix | mateusz: Depends: libbluetooth1 (>= 2.24), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libdbus-1-2 (>= 0.60), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.10a), sysvinit (>= 2.80-1), |
| 11:27.29 | Irrumator | and watch your syslog |
| 11:27.29 | kevix | modutils | module-init-tools |
| 11:27.33 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: it works for other logs. |
| 11:27.35 | Irrumator | Restart dbus before too |
| 11:27.40 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: something is seriously borked if it logs everything is find while it isnt |
| 11:28.03 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: then try to find the difference |
| 11:28.13 | mateusz | kevix: but bluez-utils: Conflicts: makedev (>= 3.3.8.2-0) |
| 11:28.19 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: maybe it didn't manage to hold the apache to run or something |
| 11:28.33 | h0bbel|wrk | hrm |
| 11:29.00 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: thanks. I'm making notes on this for others so want to get it totally understood, does this need a udevd restart to take effect? |
| 11:29.01 | h0bbel|wrk | same thing happens if i stop apache |
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| 11:29.18 | fireba11 | you tried to remove log files manually to have a fresh start ? |
| 11:29.35 | Kevin` | wazzat: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 11:29.55 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: no i haven't... i'll try reinstalling logrotate first |
| 11:30.34 | Irrumator | FlopsyPete: Probably not |
| 11:30.53 | Irrumator | FlopsyPete: What hal version are you running? I think the --use-syslog option does not apply on the testing version |
| 11:30.53 | pitillo | Kevin`, read the topic... /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 11:30.54 | kevix | mateusz: funny I have 2.3.1 installed of makedev and there is not a more recent one on my sid sources. |
| 11:31.40 | kevix | mateusz: where did you get your makedev from? |
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| 11:32.17 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: the only media I have doesn't work anyway, generates endless 'current: sense key: no sense' messages so its not a good test. are you please able to explain what I should look for cos I have others around me who use Debian who I need to understand this for. I take it it should auto mount? |
| 11:32.33 | mateusz | kevix: ok I removed everything with -f now installing udev makedev etc once again, correct verions. sorry for disturbing you |
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| 11:32.44 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: hal 0.4.8-8 |
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| 11:33.30 | kevix | mateusz: no disturbence. eyes play trick on you once in a while. you need more: caffine or sleep x-) |
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| 11:34.18 | fireba11 | sep: it works .. --inplace tells rsync to overwrite without temp file ... gives borked file when interruptet of course |
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| 11:34.25 | Irrumator | FlopsyPete: Yes, it should automount - you should look for information about what's going on when you plug a device in; not sure what exactly. |
| 11:34.33 | Irrumator | Try plugging in a device that does work |
| 11:34.41 | sep | fireba11, well you know that tho. so |
| 11:34.46 | Irrumator | Any cdrom should be a good test |
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| 11:35.04 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: ok, I'll go take a look at another computer and see whats goign on, thanks for the pointers (oh, I have a USB attached CD, I'll try that) |
| 11:35.24 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: oh, you mean just putting in a CD, optical discs work fine |
| 11:35.54 | Irrumator | Ah, well, try a USB device that you know that works |
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| 11:36.02 | FlopsyPete | Irrumator: ok |
| 11:36.17 | Irrumator | I gotta run, sorry, good luck |
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| 11:37.41 | h0bbel|wrk | fireba11: no go. Clearing logs didn't help. neither did reinstalling logrotate |
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| 11:38.07 | kevix | !beer gau_ |
| 11:38.08 | gau_ | how do i cut an avi file which is 6gb into smaller pieces ? |
| 11:38.18 | jm_ | avisplit might be handy |
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| 11:38.21 | gau_ | i recorde the sme using xawtv .... |
| 11:38.28 | gau_ | jm_: tnx |
| 11:38.44 | jm_ | so it's not porn? shouldn't have helped you then |
| 11:38.47 | kevix | gau_: ginsu knives work for me! |
| 11:39.13 | aidan | with debian-stable, what kind of maintanence can I expect? Do I have to manually patch stuff every couple of days, or is there an update system, etc? And how long can the server run for without problems - how long will sarge be supported in the future? |
| 11:39.34 | gau_ | kevix: was that a joke or are u serious ? |
| 11:39.51 | kevix | jm_: did you see the recent court case where it was ruled that 'burning a porn cd' = 'publishing porn'/ |
| 11:40.03 | kevix | gau_: made you look! |
| 11:40.17 | jm_ | kevix: nope, then again, I don't live in USA :) |
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| 11:40.27 | _rene_ | aidan: sarge will be supported one year after etch or till the release of etch +1. whatever comes first |
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| 11:40.50 | _rene_ | aidan: wrt maintenance, you get updates for serious bugs (data corruption, licenses, security, ..). nothing more. |
| 11:41.04 | gau_ | is there a debian package for avisplit ? |
| 11:41.07 | _rene_ | especially no other bugfixes or version upgrades or... |
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| 11:41.18 | kevix | aidan: at Debian, we do the patching, you just download the new binary! |
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| 11:42.12 | jm_ | gau_: yes |
| 11:42.15 | kevix | aidan: if you inspect the debian.org site you will see info on the security archive. |
| 11:42.53 | kevix | gau_: if you are on a debian system, 'apt-cache search avisplit' |
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| 11:43.35 | txetemar | spanih? |
| 11:43.39 | txetemar | spanish?? |
| 11:43.42 | kevix | !es |
| 11:43.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:44.00 | nirgal | Hello everybody. I have a problem (re)installing debian. I have a scsi drive and a ide hd, but official netinst doesn't work: The cd is detected as bootable and then nothing. A potatoe installation disk does work, but it's a bit old. Any ideas? |
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| 11:44.15 | nirgal | scsi cdrom drive I mean |
| 11:44.22 | tarzeau | !potatoe |
| 11:44.22 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 11:44.29 | gau_ | kevix: obviously i tried that ... |
| 11:44.38 | nirgal | tarzeau, ops :) |
| 11:44.45 | gau_ | kevix: no avisplit in apt-cache ..... |
| 11:45.32 | gau_ | seems its pat of transcode package ..... |
| 11:45.50 | kevix | gau_: how about avidemux |
| 11:46.05 | aidan | _rene_: so with the maintenance, how long is that for? |
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| 11:46.18 | _rene_ | 12:40 < _rene_> aidan: sarge will be supported one year after etch or till the release of etch +1. whatever |
| 11:46.22 | _rene_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.46 | aidan | ah, okay - I thought you meant the general support, rather than critical bug fixes |
| 11:47.04 | aidan | my server at the moment, redhat 7.2, we still get critical fixes via fedora-legacy (yum) |
| 11:47.16 | aidan | it's a shame the distrubution system is so craptastic |
| 11:47.29 | gau_ | kevix: transcode is in the apt system so i anm trying that tnx |
| 11:47.29 | _rene_ | something different. you can upgrade debian stuff seamlessly via apt. |
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| 11:47.38 | _rene_ | try that with red hat or so :-P |
| 11:47.46 | aidan | excellent, even with the kernel, etc? |
| 11:47.58 | robs | i just installed subversion. why isn't there a init.d script? do i have to create it myself? |
| 11:47.59 | aidan | yeh, I gave up on RPM and just started installing stuff via source lately |
| 11:48.00 | kevix | gau_: then you should get and use 'apt-file' |
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| 11:48.34 | kevix | aidan: the kernel is never automatically upgraded |
| 11:48.56 | gau_ | kevix: tnx i will check that out too |
| 11:49.16 | aidan | the only other thing I'm really worried about is using alpha stuff. I really need apache-fop 0.9x, which is only available from SVN. Can I still use apt with that, or will that break my package based system? (I'm really nervous about upgrading -sorry) |
| 11:49.30 | kevix | gau_: it replaces having to go to packages.debian.org (which is down now anyway x-)) |
| 11:49.30 | aidan | kevix: can I upgrade it manually, easily, if there's a critical fix? |
| 11:49.41 | xored | where to get a sarge unstable source ? |
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| 11:50.14 | kevix | aidan: the debian security team issues DSA's and then fixes... |
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| 11:51.36 | kevix | aidan: if you need 24x7 uptime use stable. there are things called 'backports' that fill in gaps for more recent version of software. although YOU have to gage the risk to your system |
| 11:52.18 | aidan | is it easy to roll my own .debs if there isn't a suitable version? |
| 11:53.20 | kevix | aidan: you can go to the debian-mentors list for help on that. you can also rpm->deb if needed and you can use 'equivs' to make the system aware of any .tgz you hand install. |
| 11:53.37 | aidan | kevix: awesome |
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| 11:54.01 | kevix | aidan: Debian uses 'alien' to convert .tgz,rpm,... ->dev |
| 11:54.07 | aidan | okay, x86_64 here we go |
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| 11:54.42 | kevix | aidan: before you use non .deb software, ask here or similr before as to get the best option. |
| 11:54.49 | nirgal | I have to install potato then, and upgrade just after that... *sigh* |
| 11:55.23 | jm_ | nirgal: try SBM |
| 11:55.33 | kevix | aidan: you should check out the amd64 mailing list. I hear that there are some amd64 issues that regualr debian users do no encounter. |
| 11:56.05 | kevix | aidan: i mean go to lists.debian.org and search for 'amd64' |
| 11:56.31 | aidan | It's okay, p4 3.0ghz here |
| 11:56.53 | jm_ | that is irrelevant for the issues |
| 11:56.53 | aidan | "Supermicro 5014C-TB Server" |
| 11:57.15 | aidan | jm_: oh, I just figured AMD was AMD related :P |
| 11:57.26 | jm_ | aidan: x86_64 is the same for both |
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| 11:57.45 | jm_ | but it's called amd64 because they were the first to release it |
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| 12:00.54 | aidan | I didn't see anything pertinant with a quick search, I'm not running X, which seemed to be focus of some issues |
| 12:01.23 | xored | is there a way to upgrad ppp pppoe in sarge stable without upgrading libc6 to unstable ? |
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| 12:02.14 | jm_ | xored: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:02.36 | kevix | xored: if you need to upgrade sarge packages to recent version, see backports.org |
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| 12:05.51 | xored | jm_ : when updateing while backports sources are in , i get this errro : |
| 12:05.53 | xored | deb [ftp|http]://ftp.estpak.ee/backports.org/ sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 12:05.56 | xored | sorry |
| 12:06.00 | xored | wrong paste |
| 12:06.23 | jm_ | xored: I didn't recommend you to use backports ;) |
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| 12:06.50 | kevix | kevix: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:06.51 | xored | jm_: i have no other soloutions |
| 12:07.00 | xored | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1730 |
| 12:07.06 | xored | getting this error |
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| 12:07.53 | xored | hello, my pppd is somehow "sometime" disconnection and then ist not able to connect : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1729 . Iam fixen it for one week and iam furstrated :/ |
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| 12:08.07 | xored | maybe you can help me with that, jm_ ? |
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| 12:08.16 | kevix | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:08.16 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 12:09.30 | jm_ | xored: you can tell apt-get to ignore the signature check |
| 12:09.57 | xored | jm_: how ? can you help me with that ppp problem ? |
| 12:10.11 | xored | kevix: so it means, i need to compile it myself, right ? |
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| 12:10.24 | jm_ | xored: man apt-get, the ppp problem is not clear, it does reconnect for me properly |
| 12:10.33 | xored | not really |
| 12:10.45 | migiel | how can i search through all files, for a specific word/ |
| 12:10.57 | jm_ | but it then gives up after I don't remember how many attempts, think it's a feature |
| 12:11.01 | xored | jm_: not really. The question is : Why is he disconnecting and why does he need 10 minutes to reconnect |
| 12:11.37 | xored | jm_: thats a broadband, there is no need to disconnect and i should be able to connect anytime |
| 12:11.47 | jm_ | xored: that is not somethng I can help you with, running it with debug when it happens might show some info |
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| 12:12.29 | kevix | xored: either compile it yourself or see if you want to use backports.org |
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| 12:12.59 | xored | jm_: iam running with debug already |
| 12:13.00 | xored | :/ |
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| 12:13.21 | xored | jm_: iam not able to find something about siganture or gpg in the man pages of apt-get |
| 12:13.28 | kevix | migiel: are you looking for a quick idea or do you want to do this every day for lots of documents? |
| 12:13.38 | jm_ | xored: yes, but the last disconnect doesn't seem to have any debug info |
| 12:13.41 | xored | kevix: the problem is, i cannot update the backports-sources : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1730 |
| 12:13.58 | migiel | kevix: just for once, i need a file, but i don't know where to find it |
| 12:13.59 | xored | jm_: yes, but why |
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| 12:14.10 | jm_ | xored: because you didn't have debug enabled at the time? |
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| 12:14.30 | xored | jm_: he alway connects with dsl-provider and there is DEBUG enabled |
| 12:14.48 | jm_ | xored: then you need to talk to your ISP |
| 12:15.11 | xored | jm_: that was told to me before, i phoned them but they could not state a porblem |
| 12:15.14 | kevix | migiel: find / | while read line; do grep "word" "$line"; done and then wait a long time! |
| 12:15.32 | migiel | ok thanks :) |
| 12:15.37 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: sorry, was away .. you needed anything ? |
| 12:15.56 | h0bbel|wrk | no.. i just can't figure this out. |
| 12:15.56 | kevix | migiel: you can fine tune the 'find' command for a more precise location. |
| 12:15.58 | jm_ | xored: well we can't help you with it either - if pppd is started, but it can't establish a connection with PPP server, then it won't work |
| 12:15.59 | xored | i guys named common said, he had this problem to and just upgraded ppp to unstable and it worked. But i dont want to do that with the unstable sources, cause then libc6 is upgraded and is not downgradable |
| 12:16.27 | migiel | kevix: by making / more specific, right? |
| 12:16.36 | kevix | xored: have you tried 'wvdial'? |
| 12:16.41 | xored | jm_: yeah sure, the question is why :( |
| 12:16.46 | kevix | migiel: yes. |
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| 12:16.47 | xored | kevix: no, whats that ? |
| 12:16.51 | jm_ | xored: that's something ISP can find out |
| 12:17.27 | kevix | xored: i used to use 'wvdial' it is another way to use ppp. |
| 12:17.36 | migiel | kevix: it finds what i'm looking for, but it doesnt say which file it's in |
| 12:17.46 | jm_ | it's just a front-end to ppp, it won't help if pppd dies |
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| 12:18.06 | kevix | migiel: then you need to check the options for grep. |
| 12:18.13 | xored | jm_: ok so i will phone them again. Can i really be sure,its not a systemproblem ? I had the same problem with my old, stable/unstable debian sarge system with the unstable, new ppp version too. So iam really helpless |
| 12:18.15 | migiel | kevix: ok thanks |
| 12:18.32 | kevix | migiel: learn find and grep. these are magic tools! |
| 12:18.46 | migiel | kevix: ok i will :) |
| 12:19.08 | jm_ | xored: alternatively, you could try Windows or some other OS to test if it happens there too |
| 12:19.11 | xored | jm_: iam just reinstalled the whole system the days, sarge stable and heading the same problems. The thing is, iam using the same pap/dsl-provider config ( i just copied it) |
| 12:19.28 | jm_ | xored: but trying new pppd would be much faster |
| 12:19.34 | xored | jm_: yeah, thats a step i will try i think, got win installed on my desktop |
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| 12:19.39 | kevix | xored: the message you got is a warnings. not an ERROR. |
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| 12:19.57 | xored | kevix: to be honest, i dont care, result is, he disconnects |
| 12:20.06 | xored | kevix: or lets say, he is not able to connect |
| 12:21.02 | xored | jm_: hmm, ok upgrading ppp is not a bad idea, but i still could not manage this backports problem |
| 12:21.02 | kevix | xored: is this a phone modem or a cable modem? |
| 12:21.02 | aidan | Okay, I've added #debian to my autojoin, and placed the order for my new server - preinstalled with debian :) |
| 12:21.02 | jm_ | xored: see what kevix said, it looks like it's not a fatal error |
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| 12:21.42 | jm_ | and ppp doesn't seem to be on backports.org |
| 12:21.48 | kevix | jm_: its just that he doesn't have a gpg key, so the file is less 'trusted'. you can install stuff, but it will just say 'its untrusted' until you get the gpg key |
| 12:21.57 | xored | kevix: its a DSL modem. Do not know if its a common name, but its the normal way to go to the internet in germayn. It is no number dialing modem like the old 56ks, its also no cable modem with static connections by modem |
| 12:22.39 | jm_ | kevix: indeed, I missed the big W: earlier |
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| 12:22.43 | kevix | xored: I've heard of it, pppoe or pppoa or some such. |
| 12:22.50 | Maakuth_ | yeah, it's called dsl everywhere |
| 12:22.53 | xored | kevix: exactly |
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| 12:23.14 | xored | kevix: iam using pppoe to connecte, ppp over ethernet in full name |
| 12:24.02 | xored | jm_: so the only way without upgrade libc6 to unstable is compile it myself ? |
| 12:24.12 | jm_ | xored: yes, it looks like it |
| 12:24.37 | kevix | xored: have you look at 'pppoe' and 'pppoeconf' packages? |
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| 12:24.57 | xored | jm_: ok, but one question. Why do i not need libc6 new verison for compiling ppp but need it, when getting from unstable/testing sources ? |
| 12:25.07 | xored | kevix: no, not once, Why ? |
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| 12:25.26 | jm_ | xored: because it will be compiled against your current version |
| 12:25.36 | kevix | xored: they are for pppoe, so maybe pppoe will be easy to use ? |
| 12:25.37 | xored | kevix: so you think there is the problem ? Never faced such tip while googling arround with tht error messages |
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| 12:25.47 | kevix | xored: they are for pppoe, so maybe pppoeconfige will be easy to use ? |
| 12:25.54 | kevix | xored: they are for pppoe, so maybe pppoeconfig will be easy to use ? |
| 12:26.11 | xored | kevix: one second, just to understand you. I do not need ppp with pppoe ? |
| 12:26.31 | jm_ | you don't really need pppoe, ppp has a plugin for it |
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| 12:27.01 | secher_ | Ummm.. what happened to debianplanet? |
| 12:27.10 | xored | jm_: ah ok. So getting the sources is the next step. What was the command line for that ? apt-get install build-dep package ? |
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| 12:28.09 | jm_ | xored: no, don't do that with sid sources |
| 12:28.25 | xored | jm_: ok so just get it out of the interne t? |
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| 12:29.18 | jm_ | xored: yeah, Debian mirrors |
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| 12:29.56 | xored | jm_: hmm, Debina mirrors ? can you give me an example ? |
| 12:30.16 | jm_ | xored: www.debian.org lists them all - use the one from your sources.list |
| 12:30.17 | SlackRat | \me wonders what i installed last night.... |
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| 12:30.40 | xored | jm_: that ? http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/ppp.html |
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| 12:31.06 | xored | jm_: would be : http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.4b1.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 12:31.07 | kevix | secher_: do you mean debianplanet.net or planet.debian.org ? |
| 12:31.10 | jm_ | xored: yeah you can get it from there |
| 12:31.16 | xored | jm_: ok thank you |
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| 12:31.27 | SlackRat | by the time i got x running smoothly and all the office suites, my "sarge" install now has kde3.4 and OO2 .....on a 2.6.8 kernel..... |
| 12:31.29 | jm_ | xored: get all three files: .tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz |
| 12:31.34 | SlackRat | am i now running sarge or sid? |
| 12:31.46 | Deepa | i seem to have troubles using my computer |
| 12:31.53 | Deepa | i CAN browser hte internet |
| 12:31.58 | Deepa | but i CANT connect to servers |
| 12:32.00 | kevix | SlackRat: what do you /etc/apt/sources.list say! |
| 12:32.19 | Deepa | and people CANT connect to my servers |
| 12:32.21 | kevix | Deepa: is you server refusing to connect? |
| 12:32.22 | SlackRat | it only has cds on it...sarge and sid....no net connection on that box |
| 12:32.24 | Deepa | but its ONLY on htat computer |
| 12:32.35 | Deepa | kevix: nothihing can connect! |
| 12:32.38 | Deepa | and none can connect to mine server |
| 12:32.42 | wwmlive | How should i take backup of all my mysql data? |
| 12:32.51 | kevix | Deepa: what does ping say? |
| 12:32.51 | tarzeau | wwmlive: check ibackup |
| 12:33.00 | Deepa | kevix: ping timeout |
| 12:33.10 | kevix | Deepa: is the power on? |
| 12:33.10 | DeeJay^ | Okay |
| 12:33.10 | Deepa | i can ping people |
| 12:33.13 | Deepa | but i cant get pingefd |
| 12:33.15 | Deepa | pinged* |
| 12:33.28 | tarzeau | Deepa: what's your ip? |
| 12:33.38 | Deepa | armchairs.be (85.11.204.88) |
| 12:33.43 | Deepa | couldnt ping myself from school atleast |
| 12:33.45 | Deepa | i host a webserver too |
| 12:33.49 | SlackRat | ah, the http security source says stable/updates/main contrib |
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| 12:34.01 | kevix | SlackRat: bingo! |
| 12:34.01 | tarzeau | Deepa: i don't get icmp replies either |
| 12:34.13 | SlackRat | so im a somewhat updated sarge? heh |
| 12:34.20 | xored | jm_: iam on the "make". After that, i need to deinstall the current or ? then i loose internet connection. What steps do i need thento install it completely ? loading the specific modprobe or smth ? |
| 12:34.25 | Deepa | tarzeau: BUT i can surf the internet (: |
| 12:34.33 | jm_ | xored: no, do it the Debian way |
| 12:34.37 | Deepa | this problem arose around... |
| 12:34.46 | tarzeau | Deepa: surfing the internet is dns udp/53 and web tcp/80 |
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| 12:34.52 | Deepa | "when i opened a port on gtk-gnutella, and updated my kernel" |
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| 12:34.55 | crypt_ex | Why does Amsn not play the sounds when the sound cards being used for a song...then as soon as I finish the playlist, all the notify beeps come through in one! |
| 12:34.57 | tarzeau | Deepa: it is i no way related to icmp ping/replies |
| 12:35.03 | SlackRat | which i suppose is good, so if i hook the box up to the net, it wont 'unstablize' every package? |
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| 12:35.12 | kevix | Deepa: do you have iptables blocking stuff.? |
| 12:35.14 | DeeJay^ | tarzeau i just get: Error: No configuration found, please set up |
| 12:35.17 | Deepa | tarzeau: well udp/53 and tcp/80 is the only thing that DOES work i seem |
| 12:35.19 | SlackRat | unless i pin stuff... |
| 12:35.24 | Deepa | iptables blocking stuff? not from what i know |
| 12:35.34 | tarzeau | Deepa: but then your isp sucks |
| 12:35.41 | tarzeau | Deepa: try iptables -F |
| 12:35.43 | Deepa | it worked a while ago |
| 12:35.46 | tarzeau | Deepa: try telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:35.56 | kevix | crypt_ex: do you have a sound server running? |
| 12:35.57 | Deepa | error... |
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| 12:36.19 | tarzeau | DeeJay^: check /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE ? |
| 12:36.19 | DeeJay^ | Anyone who can help me take some backup of my mysql? :/ |
| 12:36.22 | DeeJay^ | okay |
| 12:36.30 | xored | jm_: ok..this is what i never done or better say not even no. What is doint it the debian way ? any howto ? sorry iam so helpless :/ |
| 12:36.55 | Deepa | . /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-586tsc/kernel/met/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unable to write to lotsofnumbers.ksyms No space left on device |
| 12:37.01 | jm_ | xored: get all the three files, remove the dir you extracted, then tell me when it's done |
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| 12:37.11 | kevix | DeeJay^: the files are in /var or you can do a database dump. |
| 12:37.24 | Deepa | tarzeau: and telnetting just times out |
| 12:37.25 | secher_ | kevix: debianplanet.net |
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| 12:37.34 | DeeJay^ | oh can i take out the files? |
| 12:37.38 | crypt_ex | kevix, sound server...like what exactly, Stable Sarge installation of Debian. |
| 12:37.52 | tarzeau | Deepa: then something sucks your isp or your configuration or whatever is between you and the internet |
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| 12:38.04 | kevix | crypt_ex: are you running kde? |
| 12:38.07 | Deepa | for gods sake! nothing changed |
| 12:38.11 | Deepa | just one day |
| 12:38.13 | Deepa | everything stopped working |
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| 12:38.37 | Deepa | and my new kernel and my video card refuses to work |
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| 12:39.09 | kevix | Deepa: is this other computer on the same subnet, is it in the same location or is it in a remote location? |
| 12:39.10 | xored | jm_: sorry, tree files ? i downloaded the sources, then iam unpacked it, unpacked it a second time under tarballs an then ? |
| 12:39.21 | Deepa | im sitting right next to the computer |
| 12:39.35 | Deepa | this one is without X |
| 12:39.35 | Deepa | and the otherone with X |
| 12:39.48 | Deepa | they are on the same router |
| 12:39.53 | jm_ | xored: I told you which files to get ... |
| 12:39.56 | kevix | Deepa: so you tried to 'ssh' and it didn't work? is ssh running on it? |
| 12:40.03 | Deepa | ssh is running |
| 12:40.08 | Deepa | and i cant ssh to it from outside my home |
| 12:40.12 | xored | jm_: sorry missed that. Searching.. |
| 12:40.25 | Deepa | and im running a sshd |
| 12:40.30 | Deepa | i told you! NOTHING works on the other computer |
| 12:40.37 | jm_ | xored: it's very annoying when people ask for help then don't read what you tell them - it usually drives me away |
| 12:40.38 | Deepa | and for 2 days ago it just died |
| 12:40.47 | kevix | Deepa: can you ping frm the other machine back to your machine? |
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| 12:40.58 | Deepa | using the LAN or WAN IP? |
| 12:40.59 | crypt_ex | kevix, Gnome. |
| 12:41.11 | Deepa | well the computer replies |
| 12:41.15 | Deepa | and on the LAN all servers work |
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| 12:41.29 | kevix | Deepa: hmm. maybe its a bad network cable or a bad ethernet port? |
| 12:41.37 | Deepa | they worked before |
| 12:41.47 | Deepa | and i tried switching the ethernet port |
| 12:41.49 | Deepa | no change |
| 12:41.49 | secher_ | does anyone know what happened to debianplanet.org? |
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| 12:41.54 | Deepa | i tried switching cables between the computers |
| 12:41.58 | Deepa | still same |
| 12:42.09 | tarzeau | secher_: rest in pieces |
| 12:42.21 | dvm | Is there no 'pypanel' for 'openbox' in Debian Stable ? |
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| 12:42.30 | secher_ | tarzeau: What? as in expired? |
| 12:42.40 | tarzeau | secher_: no more dns servers for it, no soa |
| 12:42.55 | tarzeau | secher_: looks like it, know DWN? |
| 12:43.03 | tarzeau | secher_: or planet.d.o? |
| 12:43.12 | xored | jm_: i have a very small IRC. when i was into the console upacking you wrote something and it wnet so much in the upper, i was not able to see it |
| 12:43.20 | secher_ | tarzeau: Yes, I'll go there. Feh. Kk. thanks. |
| 12:43.26 | jm_ | xored: /lastlog jm_ |
| 12:43.32 | Deepa | tarzeau: and it cant be that i made gtk-gnutella |
| 12:43.33 | xored | hmm |
| 12:43.37 | kevix | secher_: I just checked google. there is a cache entry for jan-25th! |
| 12:43.37 | Deepa | listen on port 7331 with UDP |
| 12:43.48 | Deepa | after that my internet was confirmed to NOT work |
| 12:43.52 | Deepa | and btw |
| 12:43.55 | Deepa | while it was not working |
| 12:43.57 | Deepa | the stuff that WERE connected |
| 12:44.00 | Deepa | stayed connected |
| 12:44.05 | xored | jm_: wow, is it actualized ? |
| 12:44.06 | Deepa | but the stuff that disconnected |
| 12:44.08 | Deepa | couldnt reconnect |
| 12:44.10 | jm_ | xored: yes |
| 12:44.24 | xored | jm_: perfect, thanky ou. will never happen again :) |
| 12:44.25 | dvm | I use 'pypanel' with 'openbox' in Deb 'Testing', i will use it in 'Stable' but there is no 'pypanel' :-( What must i do ? |
| 12:44.27 | kevix | time to go.... |
| 12:44.39 | Deepa | tarzeau: any bells ringing? |
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| 12:44.51 | dvm | Can someone point me to te right way ? |
| 12:45.08 | xored | jm_: but its not actualized automatically, need to type that command. Is there a way to do that ? |
| 12:45.16 | tarzeau | !bells |
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| 12:45.25 | tarzeau | !bell |
| 12:45.26 | dpkg | i heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 12:45.31 | tarzeau | Deepa: na |
| 12:45.42 | mamolo_EL | i have a great problem with my woody |
| 12:45.48 | jm_ | xored: yeah, you have to type it - I don't know of any IRC client that would automatically update it, but it's easily doable in some with scripting |
| 12:45.53 | mamolo_EL | i want to change to a tested or stable version of linux |
| 12:46.08 | mamolo_EL | and i can't do that |
| 12:46.28 | xored | jm_: nnscript does that under windows, but its also an "update script" do you have such a script ? |
| 12:46.28 | mamolo_EL | i have a problem in the packages with apt |
| 12:46.33 | Deepa | tarzeau: darn, any idea on whats wrong? |
| 12:46.39 | crypt_ex | Do I need a sound server installed then, when I have a song playing, once I stop it, all the beeps come in from Amsn? I am using Gnome, kevix whos left now said something about a sound server. |
| 12:46.47 | jm_ | xored: no, besides, I don't use the same IRC client as you |
| 12:46.53 | xored | jm_:ill search for it later |
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| 12:47.00 | mamolo_EL | they stopped me saiing that new package |
| 12:47.02 | tarzeau | Deepa: DAMN NO, if i were you i'd start nethack and play that |
| 12:47.21 | tarzeau | Deepa: but sure as hell i could find out if i had a terminal at your side- |
| 12:47.47 | Deepa | :) |
| 12:47.50 | Deepa | i got this computer |
| 12:47.53 | Deepa | but its without a sshd |
| 12:48.12 | secher_ | I mean, come on, I haven't checked deianplanet in a week or so, but completely gone? Does anyoen have any idea what happened? |
| 12:48.25 | xored | jm_: ok got all 3 files, unpacked the tar.gz one |
| 12:48.31 | xored | jm_: unpacked the gz one |
| 12:48.34 | possie | is it valid to put something like 0 21 8-31 * * * in cron, so that it will do this only from the 8th of the month until the 31st, but i'm wondering if this is valid even if a month only has 30 day's |
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| 12:48.54 | Deepa | and btw |
| 12:48.55 | jm_ | xored: no, remove the dir again |
| 12:48.58 | Deepa | GDM whines when i try and login |
| 12:49.04 | Deepa | about that it cant write a authority file |
| 12:49.14 | Deepa | this could mean im out of diskpace or my hoemdir cant be opened |
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| 12:49.22 | jm_ | possie: sure is |
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| 12:49.33 | possie | jm_: k tnx |
| 12:49.37 | xored | jm_: ok, just have the file downloaded in one dir together without having done anything further |
| 12:49.46 | jm_ | xored: now run dpkg-source -x *dsc |
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| 12:52.09 | possie | jm_: so if i'm not mistaken, 0 21 1-7 * 1 would result that this specific task only gets run, at 21.00 ours, on the first monday of the month? |
| 12:52.34 | jm_ | possie: man 5 crontab explains the meaning of each field |
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| 12:52.49 | strider | Deepa: is it .ICEauthority? |
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| 12:53.03 | Deepa | yea |
| 12:53.28 | Deepa | strider: is .ICEauthority a common problem? |
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| 12:53.45 | strider | no it isn't actually |
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| 12:53.49 | Deepa | o |
| 12:53.55 | ILMAR | help |
| 12:53.56 | Deepa | but to get to the problem |
| 12:53.57 | Deepa | whats wrong with it? |
| 12:53.57 | ILMAR | help me |
| 12:53.58 | xored | jm_: dpkg-source -x *dsc |
| 12:53.59 | strider | but if you have not run out of space |
| 12:54.00 | ILMAR | help me plizzzz |
| 12:54.07 | ILMAR | help me plizzzz killing |
| 12:54.07 | Deepa | ILMAR... |
| 12:54.09 | Deepa | !ASK |
| 12:54.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:54.17 | strider | try chown the .ICEAuthority file |
| 12:54.58 | Deepa | kk |
| 12:54.59 | Deepa | ill chown it to my user? |
| 12:55.04 | strider | yes |
| 12:55.24 | Deepa | still playing fun |
| 12:55.35 | ILMAR | help me plizzzz killing |
| 12:55.39 | gau_ | Deepa: sounds like an indian name .... |
| 12:55.43 | ILMAR | aaaa |
| 12:55.45 | ILMAR | tra ta ta ta |
| 12:55.49 | Deepa | gau_: and gau doesnt? |
| 12:55.51 | xored | jm_: installed dpkg_dev now |
| 12:55.53 | Deepa | aaaw cmon Deepy was taken :P |
| 12:55.57 | Deepa | now dont harass me :) |
| 12:55.58 | gau_ | Deepa: na |
| 12:56.01 | Deepa | strider: it didnt work |
| 12:56.04 | ILMAR | vihodila nabegeg katyusha |
| 12:56.45 | gau_ | Deepa: why would i bother a girl/guy who souns indian when i am indian ? |
| 12:57.01 | Deepa | gau_: nvm :p |
| 12:57.03 | strider | Deepa: hmm, not sure then. maybe try renaming it to .ICEAuthority.bak and then try |
| 12:57.04 | ILMAR | ðãí |
| 12:57.04 | Deepa | im swedish tho :) |
| 12:57.05 | ILMAR | ðãí |
| 12:57.06 | ILMAR | huy |
| 12:57.18 | ILMAR | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.22 | gau_ | Deepa: thats why i said souns indian |
| 12:57.27 | Deepa | strider: didnt work |
| 12:57.30 | gau_ | sounds rather |
| 12:57.31 | Deepa | gau_ :) |
| 12:57.31 | jm_ | !ops someone needs kicking - thank you |
| 12:57.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: someone needs kicking - thank you |
| 12:57.42 | xored | jm_: ok done. extracted it |
| 12:57.49 | jm_ | xored: cd into the dir |
| 12:58.01 | xored | jm_: done |
| 12:58.04 | azeem | jm_: wow, that was informational |
| 12:58.05 | ILMAR | ApEtc:==> I love yo |
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| 12:58.06 | ailas | um |
| 12:58.16 | jm_ | azeem: what was? |
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| 12:58.25 | jm_ | xored: run debuild -uc -us -b |
| 12:58.51 | _rene_ | ILMAR: which drugs did you smoke? |
| 12:58.56 | bizkit | azeem: ILMAR is the one :) |
| 12:59.02 | _rene_ | ILMAR: don't. better for you. |
| 12:59.09 | xored | jm_: do not have debuild, one second trying to get it |
| 12:59.12 | idealbsd | when compile fluxbox-svn in sid, it complains "Could not link with Xft. Install Xft if you want support for it.", however libxft-dev etc. was installed, any suggestions? |
| 12:59.13 | ILMAR | _rene_:==> red pacific am am |
| 12:59.15 | azeem | ILMAR: do you have any Debian related questions? |
| 12:59.20 | Deepa | strider: suggestions? |
| 12:59.27 | ILMAR | azeem:==> yes |
| 12:59.31 | azeem | ILMAR: otherwise, please stay on topic or leave this channel, please |
| 12:59.44 | ILMAR | azeem:==> ok |
| 12:59.49 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, you around? |
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| 13:00.52 | xored | jm_: where is debuild located ? |
| 13:01.23 | jm_ | xored: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:02.12 | BM83 | Hi |
| 13:02.16 | xoz | idealbsd: install auto-apt and cross your finger |
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| 13:02.38 | ILMAR | BM83:==> you nigger? |
| 13:02.45 | joanderson | bom dia pessoal |
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| 13:02.54 | idealbsd | xoz, thanks :) |
| 13:02.54 | xored | jm_: great...iam learing a ton today |
| 13:02.55 | BM83 | I have a question.. when having messed up the permissions of some files on a debian... is it possible to restore them by reconfiguring the package |
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| 13:03.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 13:03.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=yxaxaxax@85.249.194.*] by azeem |
| 13:03.14 | *** kick/#debian [ILMAR!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (go away) |
| 13:03.46 | xoz | BM83: reinstall maybe. |
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| 13:04.10 | joanderson | estou com um notebook , instalei o Debian pre5, e qd vai iniciar o X, dá um erro de mouse. Acho que o touchpad não está instalado |
| 13:04.17 | joanderson | alguem sabe como resolvo isso? |
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| 13:04.18 | BM83 | xoz, a dpkg-reconfigure won't? :-/ |
| 13:04.29 | ronin | !es |
| 13:04.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:04.46 | xoz | BM83: nope... it will only do the config, not the permission of the related files |
| 13:04.52 | BM83 | hmm |
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| 13:04.57 | BM83 | k thx |
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| 13:05.07 | xoz | BM83: but you can try |
| 13:05.13 | xored | jm_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1731 |
| 13:05.18 | fanfoua | is it possible to change the minor of a partition ? |
| 13:05.20 | xored | jm_: getting that error |
| 13:05.31 | jm_ | xored: install those packages |
| 13:05.32 | Deepa | still none to help me fix? |
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| 13:05.39 | Deepa | either .ICEauthority |
| 13:05.46 | xored | jm_: iam on it |
| 13:05.49 | Deepa | or my faulty internet |
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| 13:07.26 | jewel | how can I configure exim to send outbound mail only for one single authenticated user? |
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| 13:08.14 | toad_ | anyone here successfully running a geforce 5200 or a radeon 9000 on sarge or testing? |
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| 13:08.30 | jm_ | just 4200 and 6200 |
| 13:08.43 | Deepa | toad_: ME! |
| 13:08.43 | Deepa | :D |
| 13:08.48 | Deepa | i got a nvidia FX5200 on sarge |
| 13:08.58 | toad_ | Deepa: it works for you? it doesn't randomly crash? |
| 13:08.59 | xored | jm_: a quistion beside he is downloading. Is there a way to make diffrent authetication styles for diffrent hosts under SSH ? lets say, if someone trys to connect from the local network, gave him the ability to try it through a password, all other must a hava the public key |
| 13:09.05 | Deepa | works fine with a intel celeron |
| 13:09.13 | jharrisonwk | toad_: it has a tendancy to crash |
| 13:09.14 | Deepa | toad_: nope |
| 13:09.14 | toad_ | Deepa: you using the nvidia drivers, with 3d? |
| 13:09.14 | Deepa | but it isnt great either |
| 13:09.16 | Deepa | yea |
| 13:09.18 | toad_ | mine crashes once a day or so |
| 13:09.26 | jm_ | xored: I don't think that's possible |
| 13:09.29 | jharrisonwk | what exactly is IT? |
| 13:09.43 | toad_ | i switched out to a radeon 9000, and that crashes instantly if i turn DRI on |
| 13:09.47 | xored | jm_: is hostbasedauthentication something other ? |
| 13:09.56 | toad_ | either on X 4.3 from sarge or on backported 6.9 |
| 13:10.01 | jm_ | I have had X server running from Nov 28 2003 until Feb 14 2005, with X upgraded on the fly |
| 13:10.06 | toad_ | but it used to work really well |
| 13:10.09 | jm_ | with nvidia driver that is |
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| 13:10.21 | jm_ | xored: don't use that |
| 13:10.28 | toad_ | jm_: it's possible to upgrade X on the fly? |
| 13:10.31 | xored | jm_: ok |
| 13:10.37 | jharrisonwk | toad_: sounds like something other then the video card |
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| 13:10.44 | toad_ | well I'm increasingly suspecting a hardware problem other than the video card |
| 13:10.56 | jm_ | toad_: well X server will be the old one, but the libs et al will be upgraded |
| 13:10.57 | toad_ | it *could* still be software though |
| 13:11.05 | jharrisonwk | toad_: do you have agp support properly configured? |
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| 13:11.08 | Deepa | how do i fix problems with .ICEauthority? |
| 13:11.10 | toad_ | because of my hardware i can only go down to 2.6.11-ac7 or 2.6.13 |
| 13:11.30 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i have regular crashes with nvidia with either agp enabled in kernel or not |
| 13:11.53 | ramy | I want to upgrade my sarge box from kernel 2.4 to 2.6. Do I better stick to the older 2.6.8 from sarge , or download the latest vanilla kernel ? |
| 13:11.56 | toad_ | the xf86config-4 does not contain "agp" |
| 13:11.57 | jharrisonwk | toad_: I have found agpgart the only thing to work for my boards |
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| 13:12.10 | tarzeau | does someone fsck filesystems > 1 TB ? ext2/3? why would ufs fsck need more than 1 GB memory? |
| 13:12.18 | jm_ | ramy: I run 2.6.15, works just fine, it's up to you really |
| 13:12.18 | jharrisonwk | toad_: if agp is not working correctly that would cause your problems as well as other strange issues as well |
| 13:12.22 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: well, i did have it enabled... |
| 13:12.24 | xored | jm_: ok he is making that buiild. Should i have deinstalled the prev. versin ? Do i now install it "like" a package and its listed as a package in aptitude and thats why you call it the debian way ? |
| 13:12.36 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: do i need to change the config file? |
| 13:12.36 | jm_ | xored: no, it will be replaced by dpkg |
| 13:12.43 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I sometimes fsck > 1TB |
| 13:12.44 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: to tell it to use agp? |
| 13:12.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but not UFS |
| 13:12.53 | ramy | jm_: vanilla ? |
| 13:12.55 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what fs? and how much memory does it need? |
| 13:12.57 | xored | jm_: ok then i might losse the internet connection in some seconds |
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| 13:13.01 | jm_ | toad_: readme explains the NvAgp option |
| 13:13.08 | jm_ | xored: yes ;) |
| 13:13.14 | jharrisonwk | toad_: you either have to modprobe agpgart or compile agpgart into the kernel |
| 13:13.20 | jm_ | xored: download the old pppd*deb just in case |
| 13:13.23 | crypt_ex | I have emailed someone in regards to backports, regarding amsn not updating when I setup backports. Keeps the same amsn package installed even when I try and a new one. Anyways, hes comments were: There is no problem... just because there is no amsn backport |
| 13:13.23 | crypt_ex | available on backports.org yet, it's still in NEW. -- What does he mean by its in new? |
| 13:13.23 | jm_ | ramy: yes |
| 13:13.27 | jharrisonwk | toad_: I dont use kernel modules so I compile agpgart into my kernels |
| 13:13.28 | xored | jm_: :) thank you big time really. You helped and learned me a lot today :) |
| 13:13.29 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i did that |
| 13:13.36 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: it was loaded as a module |
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| 13:13.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ext3 and reiserfs |
| 13:13.50 | Goshawk | http://pastebin.ca/39603 |
| 13:13.51 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: some new queue |
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| 13:13.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: the machines I speak of have > 1GB memory |
| 13:13.58 | Goshawk | please read that |
| 13:14.00 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: you have to wait until it's available or you can make your own |
| 13:14.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I think they have at least 2GB memory |
| 13:14.09 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, ah so its not part of the backports collection yet then |
| 13:14.10 | jm_ | $docdir/nvidia-glx |
| 13:14.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what kernel? |
| 13:14.18 | omry|work | hi, what's the deal of booting from the network for a first installation? |
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| 13:14.31 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: no |
| 13:14.32 | jharrisonwk | toad_: dont know I am using ati right now |
| 13:14.37 | xored | $docdir/gettext |
| 13:14.38 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: freebsd 5.x |
| 13:14.40 | toad_ | /usr/share/doc ? |
| 13:14.46 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, there is a deb on the amsn website, requires a higher libqt, but installs fine,but does crash at some points. |
| 13:14.47 | jm_ | right |
| 13:14.54 | xored | hehe, just tried it, thaought it would like man page :D |
| 13:14.56 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: does _that_ work stably for you? |
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| 13:15.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: thats what I thought |
| 13:15.03 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: i wouldn't use debian packages nto from main or from myself |
| 13:15.07 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: with the r9k, it crashes instantly on starting X |
| 13:15.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I am using Debian GNU/Linux |
| 13:15.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: debian gnu/kfreebsd has also ufs¨!! |
| 13:15.16 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: but only if DRI is enabled |
| 13:15.20 | xored | jm_: he is ready, what to do now ? is it intalled already ? |
| 13:15.24 | crypt_ex | tarzeau, you know its safe then? |
| 13:15.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes I know |
| 13:15.30 | tarzeau | crypt_ex: no i don't know |
| 13:15.30 | jm_ | xored: cd .. && ls *deb |
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| 13:15.42 | toad_ | i can't find the readme... maybe it's on the web site... |
| 13:15.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but where I dont have problems fscking > 1TB and you do could be kernel specific |
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| 13:16.06 | xored | jm_: there a thre files, ppp, ppp-dev, ppp-udev |
| 13:16.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: or the fsck .. |
| 13:16.18 | jm_ | xored: right install the first one |
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| 13:16.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what happens with memory usage, does it need 10%? 50%? 90%? |
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| 13:16.42 | jharrisonwk | toad_: I compile agpgart into the kernel and I install the ati drivers from ati's website and modprobe fglrx and configure xorg and it works perfectly |
| 13:16.44 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm not sure, but it might be fixed with 6.x ... |
| 13:16.51 | jharrisonwk | toad_: the only module in my system is fglrx |
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| 13:16.59 | xored | jm_: wow, that was not so complicated as self build |
| 13:17.09 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i've heard many bad things about fglrx and when i had it i used the free drivers... |
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| 13:17.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: never really looked at it |
| 13:17.12 | Shadowcat | jharrisonwk: ati sucks |
| 13:17.16 | xored | jm_: so thats how debian packeges are made for a specific "system2 |
| 13:17.19 | jharrisonwk | treyh0: I might could test it though |
| 13:17.24 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: yes I am aware of it |
| 13:17.26 | jm_ | xored: yes |
| 13:17.29 | toad_ | which are really pretty good now for r9k ... except that they crash immediately on my system now :< |
| 13:17.37 | xored | jm_: *wow* |
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| 13:17.53 | toad_ | anyway, NvAgp is set by default to 3, meaning "try AGPGART; if that fails, try NVAGP" |
| 13:18.01 | xored | i think i got to restart the connection, he is still using the old one |
| 13:18.10 | jharrisonwk | toad_: that sounds good |
| 13:18.21 | jharrisonwk | toad_: maybe you have an xorg problem |
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| 13:18.52 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i've tried it with both sarge's x4.3.0 and backported 6.9 |
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| 13:18.59 | jm_ | yes, they have changed the default value several years ago |
| 13:19.05 | toad_ | i suspect 6.8 might work differently but i can't get 6.8 |
| 13:19.11 | Shadowcat | yawn sarge backport |
| 13:19.22 | toad_ | because the backport is 6.9 and i'm not desperate enough to go to testing yet |
| 13:19.40 | Shadowcat | testing has 6.9 |
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| 13:19.52 | jharrisonwk | toad_: is your system production? |
| 13:19.54 | toad_ | hmm ok i thought sid did |
| 13:19.54 | Shadowcat | !info xserver-xorg testing |
| 13:19.56 | G2 | Anyone know how to test if a CD is in a drive and it's blank? |
| 13:19.59 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: somewhat |
| 13:20.05 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 5598 kB, Installed size: 15812 kB |
| 13:20.12 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i don't need 99.999%, but i do need 95% |
| 13:20.17 | jharrisonwk | toad_: I was goign to suggest trying etch or sid |
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| 13:20.24 | loxley | G2: mount it :) |
| 13:20.31 | toad_ | i've seen bugs on the BTS etc that might be what i'm getting on the radeon |
| 13:20.38 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 13:20.39 | toad_ | but they don't quite fit |
| 13:20.43 | Shadowcat | guess I was wrong |
| 13:20.43 | xored_ | jm_: ok anything worked. Is there any easy way to let him connect @ booting time ? |
| 13:20.48 | toad_ | one of them somebody said it worked fine with 2.6.12 |
| 13:20.50 | G2 | loxley: doing from a script |
| 13:21.00 | toad_ | i can't actually try 2.6.12, but with 2.6.11-ac7 and 2.6.13, it still dies |
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| 13:21.28 | whirm | hi |
| 13:21.48 | whirm | where can I add non-default routes in debian? |
| 13:21.51 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: etch *is* tempting, the problem is it's an irreversible change... my experience of sid suggests it's not a serious stability problem unless you need HA... |
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| 13:22.16 | toad_ | i *can* take time out to fix things, as today, it's just a matter of how often |
| 13:22.16 | jm_ | xored_: do you have your PPP connection in interfaces file like the README suggests? |
| 13:22.29 | xored_ | jm_: no |
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| 13:22.58 | loxley | whirm: man route or interfaces would be my guess |
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| 13:23.14 | jm_ | xored_: then do dpkg-reconfigure ppp and tell it to start on boot |
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| 13:23.51 | znuk | does kernel 2.6.8 support wireless networking? intend to use a Belkin F5D7000 pci adapter. |
| 13:24.01 | xored_ | jm_: nothing happens after i typed then, untycally, he jsut gives me the console back after 4 seconds |
| 13:24.05 | toad_ | maybe i should put the radeon in, turn off DRI and give up gaming until the bug is fixed :| |
| 13:24.14 | toad_ | (which could be a long time!) |
| 13:24.19 | xored_ | jm_: untypically for reconfigure |
| 13:24.41 | jm_ | xored_: then do touch /etc/ppp/start_on_boot (you can find the filename in its init script) |
| 13:25.10 | jharrisonwk | toad_: I can go from etch to sarge |
| 13:25.21 | xored_ | a |
| 13:25.24 | jharrisonwk | toad_: takes some tricks though |
| 13:25.29 | chrome | haha, ok, great link for linux newbies: http://dumbquestions.sharkfire.net/ ;) |
| 13:25.36 | xored_ | jm_: i looked at the script before, so -x means "file exists" ? |
| 13:25.40 | crypt_ex | when 'locate' database is old, how do I update it? |
| 13:25.41 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: same tricks it takes to go from backports back to sarge? |
| 13:25.41 | fanfoua | is it possible to change the minor of a partition with parted ? |
| 13:25.44 | jm_ | xored_: man test |
| 13:25.52 | znuk | nobody here uses wireless networking on debian? |
| 13:25.54 | jharrisonwk | toad_: dont know I never used backports |
| 13:25.54 | whirm | loxley: I looked in man interfaces and it talks about default gw but no more.... |
| 13:26.05 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: to get back to sarge i had to browse the status file and reinstall with --force-depends everything with 6.9.0 version... |
| 13:26.23 | xored_ | jm_: hehe, didnt no that either... |
| 13:26.30 | xored_ | jm_: what a day :) |
| 13:26.34 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i'm not sure how i'd identify etch packages though... |
| 13:26.41 | whirm | znuk: I do |
| 13:26.43 | jm_ | whirm: it also talks about how it can run commands after interface is brought up |
| 13:26.46 | yos87 | hi |
| 13:27.06 | znuk | whirm: which vendor adapter? |
| 13:27.09 | whirm | yup, but i'm looking for "the right way" it there's one |
| 13:27.13 | omry|work | anyone knows is Intel 3Ghz EM64 is a 64bit CPU? |
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| 13:27.18 | jm_ | that's the right way |
| 13:27.23 | whirm | znuk: ipw2200 |
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| 13:27.32 | toad_ | omry: EMT64 is 64-bit ~= AMD64 (x86-64) |
| 13:27.54 | whirm | jm_: ok, thanks then :-) |
| 13:28.01 | znuk | whirm: which version of kernel r u using? |
| 13:28.14 | xored_ | jm_: but i need to enter the commands to do in ppp_on_boot as i can see in the init scrript. only if the file does not exists, he runs pppd call dsl-provider |
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| 13:28.24 | omry|work | toad_, cool. is there a native version of Debian for it? |
| 13:28.32 | jm_ | xored_: no |
| 13:28.33 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: how precisely does one downgrade from etch to sarge? |
| 13:28.41 | whirm | 2.6.16-rc1 at the moment, but with 2.6.14, and 2.6.15 it just runs right |
| 13:28.52 | xored_ | jm_: if [ -x /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot ]; then RUNFILE=1; fi |
| 13:29.06 | xored_ | jm_: so $RUNFILE will be 1 in our case |
| 13:29.10 | znuk | whirm: will it work on 2.6.8? |
| 13:29.21 | whirm | don't know |
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| 13:29.25 | jm_ | xored_: that will only happen if it's executable |
| 13:29.26 | xored_ | jm_: if [ "$RUNFILE" = "1" ]; then |
| 13:29.27 | xored_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.38 | whirm | znuk: why can't you upgrade it? |
| 13:29.40 | xored_ | jm_: oh! |
| 13:29.41 | jharrisonwk | toad_: --force-depends sounds like one of the tricks |
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| 13:30.01 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: i suppose you identify them in aptitude? |
| 13:30.05 | xored_ | jm_: but its better for me using that as an scirpt, cause i need to start the routing too etc |
| 13:30.11 | toad_ | cur version != available version ... |
| 13:30.17 | jm_ | xored_: what routing? |
| 13:30.18 | toad_ | very time consuming... |
| 13:30.21 | ricardo | oi |
| 13:30.25 | znuk | whirm: i can, but i want to solve one thing at a time, and the priority is to get wireless working. |
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| 13:30.50 | ricardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.55 | jm_ | !pt |
| 13:30.55 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:30.56 | toad_ | jharrisonwk: do you know what section of xf86config-4 Option NvAgp goes into? |
| 13:30.58 | jharrisonwk | toad_: no there is some trick you can do to see which packages are etch etc... |
| 13:31.01 | xored_ | jm_: this is a linux box, which is a "router" a gateway for all other clients. So after starting the internet, i wrote a script for setting up the iptables to route |
| 13:31.02 | ricardo | d] |
| 13:31.07 | xored_ | jm_: is that wrong ? |
| 13:31.16 | jharrisonwk | toad_: but I have not done a downgrade in some time so I dont remember precisely what moves I made to make it happen |
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| 13:31.31 | jm_ | xored_: no, but you can simply call that from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
| 13:31.50 | Yango_ | what's the command line tool to modify init.d scripts? |
| 13:31.55 | znuk | whirm: thks, i can check thro' kernel config to figure that out. |
| 13:31.56 | xored_ | jm_: ? is that executed anytime ppd is started ? |
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| 13:32.20 | jm_ | xored_: no |
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| 13:32.57 | xored_ | jm_: but ? |
| 13:33.04 | jm_ | xored_: read /etc/ppp/ip-up |
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| 13:33.12 | korptix | everytime i boot my ip uses 10.1.10 why? |
| 13:33.12 | yos87 | how can I know what package in the cd |
| 13:33.29 | korptix | *10.1.1.0 |
| 13:33.29 | cheal | !tell Yango_ about init.d |
| 13:33.30 | xored_ | jm_: :) ok |
| 13:34.24 | korptix | anyone ? |
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| 13:35.48 | stew | korptix: man interfaces |
| 13:36.13 | jishin | how can i uninstall the one that had been installed from source ? |
| 13:36.31 | jm_ | the one? |
| 13:36.43 | jishin | some package , i mean |
| 13:36.51 | jm_ | how did you install it? |
| 13:37.02 | jishin | ./configure make make install |
| 13:37.03 | jharrisonwk | toad_: do you have your bios settings set for optimal or failsafe? |
| 13:37.21 | jharrisonwk | toad_: lots of times the optimal setting will make the system unstable especially when trying to do what you are doing |
| 13:37.24 | jm_ | check if it has uninstall target, otherwise "make -n install" and remove all the files it installs by hand |
| 13:37.25 | rambo3 | is there some kind of bootfloppy that has usb drivers and able too boot debian from sda from there . or is it not posible to boot other kernel after fist has been loaded? |
| 13:38.04 | jishin | it had uninstall target but all return error 1 when i run make uninstall |
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| 13:39.00 | jishin | i installed the newer version of it but didn't work as supposed, do i just roll back to its lower stable version by apt-get install |
| 13:39.03 | whirm | bye |
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| 13:40.05 | Goshawk | cna someone help me with this hda problem? http://pastebin.ca/39603 |
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| 13:40.32 | jm_ | Goshawk: replace it |
| 13:41.00 | shoxy | have installed debian main yet. now i wanna install icewm but apt-get install icewm cant be found |
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| 13:41.23 | korptix | stew what now ? |
| 13:41.30 | bushito | what packages do i need to watch dvds? on my pc? |
| 13:41.49 | Goshawk | jm_, can i solve the problem reformatting it? |
| 13:42.22 | jm_ | Goshawk: no, it means your drive has bad sectors, this usually results in the number of them increasing, so backup as much as you can now |
| 13:42.28 | jm_ | and then replace the drive |
| 13:42.29 | omry|work | what is the most appropriate sarge iso for Pentium 4 EM64T? |
| 13:43.02 | shoxy | whats the pkg name of icewm ? |
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| 13:43.18 | jm_ | shoxy: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:43.26 | quad3datwork2 | apt-cache search icewm |
| 13:43.37 | shoxy | thx ^ |
| 13:43.43 | Goshawk | jm_, is there an utility to find this bad sectors before installing a debian in those hd? |
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| 13:44.25 | jm_ | Goshawk: Debian asks you if you want to check the drive for badblocks before formatting it - say Yes, and you should be able to see the same kind of messages on other consoles, otherwise -- man badblocks |
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| 13:46.19 | secher_ | Does anyone know what happened to debianplanet? |
| 13:46.26 | shoxy | ok ... apt-cache search icewm gives no answer ... seems so it didnt found anything |
| 13:46.38 | jm_ | then your sources.list is not complete |
| 13:46.42 | Goshawk | jm_, thanks :D |
| 13:47.11 | bushito | what do i need to watch dvds on the pc, already got xine-ui but trhen?? =/ |
| 13:47.17 | SlackRat | Just posted an article on LQ questions...check out the Debian part of the review, for those who are interested. http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/articles/Ah_the_change/YADA_Yet_Another_Distro_Article |
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| 13:47.32 | rambo3 | vlc? |
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| 13:48.18 | secher_ | bushito: you need to get the css libs. google for play dvd debian css, iirc. |
| 13:49.08 | triple5 | !marillat bushito: |
| 13:49.25 | Kian|worK | hi |
| 13:49.27 | Kian|worK | i have a question, |
| 13:49.47 | triple5 | bushito, you can search for marillat libdvdcss |
| 13:49.47 | Kian|worK | AMD K6-2 / K6-3 and K7 are 586 or 686 ? |
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| 13:49.54 | Kian|worK | it's for using them with Xen |
| 13:50.04 | Kian|worK | Xen currently runs on the x86 architecture, requiring a ``P6'' or newer processor (e.g. Pentium Pro, Celeron, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Xeon, AMD Athlon, AMD Duron) |
| 13:50.17 | rredd4 | i can not connect to the internet with sarge. I get authentication errors. When I look at my pap-secrets, i see a "/q" in fromt of my password, Is this ok? I did not put it there. |
| 13:50.26 | rredd4 | dial up |
| 13:50.40 | jm_ | K7 is Athlon |
| 13:51.04 | secher_ | Kian|worK: you're safe then, they're all at least 686. IIRC, 586 is P1 |
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| 13:51.10 | Kian|worK | jm_: yeah but still x86 |
| 13:51.16 | Kian|worK | thanks secher |
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| 13:54.49 | yos87 | how can I know what package in the cd |
| 13:55.23 | secher_ | am I the only one here who is wondering where debianplanet.org went? It just all of the sudden dropped from the planet, no pun intended. |
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| 13:55.38 | stew | yos87: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo |
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| 13:55.56 | triple5 | yos87 if only your cd is in /etc/apt/sources.list then you just have to search the packages: apt-cache search *packagename* |
| 13:56.48 | rredd4 | is a "/q" in fromt of my password supposed to be there in pap-secrets? |
| 13:56.53 | loxley | secher_: the site was never updated anyways with new info |
| 13:57.02 | omry|work | anyone tried the amd64 port on intel am64? |
| 13:57.17 | omry|work | em64t |
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| 14:00.51 | yos87 | stew: I get but my internet browser hung up, when it recover , I will see the link, thank you |
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| 14:01.02 | marcelogpl | #ubuntu-br |
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| 14:01.37 | triple5 | marcelogpl try /join #ubuntu-br |
| 14:02.01 | secher_ | abrotman: did you make it to UofP last night? |
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| 14:02.37 | jebstark | something is dead wrong on my debian/etch box. I believe that I re-compiled the kernel atleast three times the last weeks but I've not been able to boot up debian with anyone of them. I run a zepto laptop, and usually need to boot in a vga=771 mode to get the orginal kernel working - the new ones doesn't at all. |
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| 14:03.52 | bibe | jebstark : did you enable framebuffer console? did you try to boot those kernels with vga=normal? |
| 14:03.59 | triple5 | can someone help me with http://pastebin.com/535284 ? |
| 14:04.15 | triple5 | I don't get it... |
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| 14:04.29 | jebstark | bibe: how do I enable the framebuffer console? in grub.conf? |
| 14:04.38 | fireba11 | jebstark: why did you compile one in the first place ? |
| 14:05.11 | jebstark | fireball: cause the orginal is BIG and I like things small since I don't need 99% of the things that one |
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| 14:05.55 | fireba11 | jebstark: no reason |
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| 14:06.57 | Wyzard | jebstark: The precompiled kernels have all the drivers built as modules -- only the ones your system actually needs get loaded into memory |
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| 14:07.07 | bibe | jebstark : it's in the kernel configuration |
| 14:07.35 | Wyzard | jebstark: All the unused modules still take up a few megabytes of disk space, but that's negligible compared to the size of a modern hard drive |
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| 14:07.48 | phydoxx | when i try to use a bridged ethernet device i see the following in /var/log/messages: |
| 14:07.50 | phydoxx | Feb 2 15:01:17 localhost kernel: br0: port 2(tap0) entering forwarding state |
| 14:07.54 | phydoxx | Feb 2 15:01:44 localhost kernel: br0: port 2(tap0) entering disabled state |
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| 14:08.00 | phydoxx | any ideas how to find out why its disabled? |
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| 14:08.18 | merci_ | hi all |
| 14:08.33 | jebstark | wyzard: I know all this, but still I want my own kernel. |
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| 14:08.51 | merci_ | hows debian world |
| 14:09.19 | bizkit | triple5: saslpasswd2 is your friend, add users and passwords into the sasldb or change the behavior of sasl, there are many howtos out there |
| 14:09.42 | secher_ | what is the freenode help channel? I can't post in #freenode. |
| 14:10.06 | merci_ | nick/si |
| 14:10.17 | secher_ | ? |
| 14:10.26 | rredd4 | there is a "/q" in fromt of my password in pap-secrets, i did not enter it when i did pppconfig. Is that automatically put there or ? |
| 14:10.26 | tarzeau | !seen damog |
| 14:10.27 | dpkg | damog <n=damog@debian/developer/damog> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 12h 28m 40s ago, saying: 'gravity: He also was in Helsinki and it was not that painful :P'. |
| 14:10.33 | tarzeau | secher_: /msg lilo |
| 14:10.49 | secher_ | tarzeau: Thanks man. |
| 14:10.58 | h0bbel|wrk | secher_: do a stats /p and ask any of those listed there for help |
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| 14:12.08 | rredd4 | !seen weissi |
| 14:12.08 | dpkg | weissi <n=yc@p549FEB03.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 46m 37s ago, saying: 'rredd4: sorry, had a disconnect, does it work??'. |
| 14:12.12 | fireba11 | h0bbel|wrk: you got your logrotate fixed ? |
| 14:12.16 | h0bbel|wrk | nope |
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| 14:12.51 | xored | hello |
| 14:12.53 | rredd4 | can i leave a message for someone who is offline? |
| 14:12.55 | zege | hi, wich CD-Image(s) do I need for the Base Install only? CD1? |
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| 14:13.38 | jm_ | rredd4: yes |
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| 14:14.08 | rredd4 | jm_: do i just /msg them? |
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| 14:14.31 | jm_ | rredd4: that won't workif they're not connected |
| 14:14.34 | SlackRat | zege, two, but i prefer three, for a fuller kde gnome setup |
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| 14:14.49 | SlackRat | oops, base install? probably just one |
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| 14:14.56 | rredd4 | jm_: how then |
| 14:15.01 | rredd4 | plz |
| 14:15.01 | jm_ | rredd4: /msg memoserv help |
| 14:15.10 | SlackRat | or netinst, if you wanna install from the net |
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| 14:15.42 | rredd4 | jm_: ty |
| 14:15.44 | zege | SlackRat: I just want to run dhcpd and samba on the system? |
| 14:16.01 | SlackRat | first cd is enough, i misread your question.... |
| 14:16.13 | zege | ok, thx. |
| 14:16.22 | xored | jm_: so ppp is starting up fine. Iam trying to se4t up syslog-ng and heading some problems. The standard works well, but i want to pipe pppd logs to an other file. i created a destinatio, a facilitiy and a log. Hey just erros, that he cannot find the facility ( he doesnt knwo it) where can i look which fac. there are ? |
| 14:16.26 | SlackRat | got a friend on PM trying to netinstall at the moment, gets confusing, heh |
| 14:16.40 | jm_ | xored: I never used syslog-ng |
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| 14:17.13 | xored | Iam trying to set up syslog-ng and heading some problems. The standard works well, but i want to pipe pppd logs to an other file. i created a destination, a facilitiy and a log. He just erros, that he cannot find the facility ( he doesnt knwo it) where can i look which fac. there are ? |
| 14:17.25 | xored | jm_: oh, thank you anyway |
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| 14:18.42 | Deepa | lets say i got irssi |
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| 14:18.47 | Deepa | and i use /exec to telnet onto something |
| 14:18.56 | Deepa | can i then use /exec to input stuff into that telnet :>? |
| 14:18.58 | SlackRat | my precious.... |
| 14:19.24 | din | http://www.bushorchimp.com/ |
| 14:19.32 | din | haha |
| 14:19.56 | Deepa | din: old :) |
| 14:20.11 | TaSo | cept this one kid |
| 14:20.14 | din | i'd never seen it |
| 14:20.26 | xored | jm_: i could not find it in the help..how to jump in vi to a specific line ? |
| 14:21.31 | seicherlbob | hi there! my crontab tells me, it can't find a command (rdate) though, when i write it in console, it works. is every cronjob run as root? could this be a reason? |
| 14:21.34 | jm_ | xored: :help G |
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| 14:21.57 | xored | jm_: thank you |
| 14:22.14 | yos87_2 | stew:thankx alot for the link |
| 14:22.15 | xored | jm_: i just found setline but that doesnt work. yours work |
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| 14:22.56 | rredd4 | jm_: do u know about pap-secrets? I have a /q in front of my password. I did not put it there. is it automatically from pppconfig? |
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| 14:23.14 | rredd4 | i am authentication errors |
| 14:23.30 | jm_ | rredd4: beats me, I have created my secrets file by hand |
| 14:23.38 | jm_ | rredd4: remove it if it's not supposed to be there |
| 14:23.45 | rredd4 | k |
| 14:23.49 | houn | So, it's a bad thing when you compile a kernel, boot it, and get "crc error", huh? |
| 14:23.53 | houn | >.> |
| 14:23.55 | xored | if i make a :G 335 it doesnt work? jm_ |
| 14:24.02 | jm_ | xored: 335G |
| 14:24.07 | jm_ | or just :335<enter> |
| 14:24.09 | xored | jm_: :/ |
| 14:24.14 | xored | jm_: sorry |
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| 14:24.22 | xored | :q |
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| 14:25.41 | yos87 | stew: I cannot have thins 14 html, or a pdf copy? |
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| 14:26.07 | seicherlbob | hi there! my crontab tells me, it can't find a command (rdate) though, when i write it in console, it works. is every cronjob run as root? could this be a reason? |
| 14:26.46 | yos87 | stew: there is no disciotion also |
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| 14:31.58 | yos87 | how to start graphic mode? |
| 14:32.16 | yos87 | is it dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:32.21 | fireba11 | seicherlbob: cronjob lacks user environment ans also path variable .. use absolute paths or set it |
| 14:32.38 | dimir | init 2! |
| 14:32.46 | seicherlbob | fireba11: thx. i'll check on that |
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| 14:33.16 | dimir | yos87: actually, there are lots of ways to do that. |
| 14:33.26 | piaf_ | yos87 : startx or /etc/init.d/[kgx]dm start |
| 14:34.02 | dimir | yos87: is pure X server running "graphic mode" for you? |
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| 14:35.02 | StereoSkit | dudes, a question, i left mi home pc reinstalling debian stable, i left it after the "Packages Selection (Web Server, DNS Server, Email Server, etc)" well, i can ssh it from work now, but i dont remember if in that process theres any conf dialog, when i ps -A i see depkg-reconfigure and base-config, anyone remembers if there is a dialog? |
| 14:35.30 | azeem | StereoSkit: there probably is |
| 14:35.33 | jm_ | there is |
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| 14:35.42 | yos87 | dimir: i don't know, I install debian again, but this time it does not start automaticlly graphic more |
| 14:35.44 | StereoSkit | theres not running a screen so i couldnt now |
| 14:36.39 | StereoSkit | so, i guess i should interrup the process, install a screen and continue from there? |
| 14:36.44 | yos87 | dimir: it's only text mode, last time, I remember I wrote something like dpkg.. |
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| 14:36.58 | dimir | yos87: install some login manager |
| 14:37.11 | yos87 | dimir: how |
| 14:37.40 | dimir | yos87: what DE/WM you use? |
| 14:37.55 | dimir | yos87: KDE, GNOME, something else? |
| 14:38.10 | yos87 | dimir: I think it gnome |
| 14:38.31 | piaf_ | yos87: aptitude install gdm |
| 14:38.33 | dimir | try apt-get install gdm then |
| 14:38.36 | yos87 | dimir: but what the previous time, it start automaticlly to the graphic more |
| 14:38.54 | piaf_ | /etc/init.d/gdm start - after the installation ! |
| 14:39.37 | yos87 | dimmir: It's working.. |
| 14:39.45 | jm_ | you should have been here for the past week |
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| 14:40.22 | yos87 | dimmir: I did not do this in the previous time |
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| 14:41.00 | yos87 | dimmir: it's a diffcult os, and no much referance for it |
| 14:41.15 | dimir | lunitik: Linus told you to use KDE! |
| 14:41.17 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:41.23 | SlackRat | no, lunitik, youre not alone |
| 14:41.31 | lunitik | dimir: Linus should stick to kernel hacking. |
| 14:41.42 | lunitik | SlackRat: :P |
| 14:42.06 | yos87 | dimmir: It's downloading for security.denian.org |
| 14:42.19 | dimir | yos87: denian, hmm |
| 14:42.22 | dimir | nice repos |
| 14:42.28 | yos87 | dimmir: I think it is not a desktop environment |
| 14:42.30 | StereoSkit | dudes is there a way for me to see what is going on on pts/0 (remotely) i logged in from work in pty/1 |
| 14:42.44 | SlackRat | can you blame him, dimir?? |
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| 14:42.47 | yos87 | dimmir: a mistake |
| 14:43.02 | david__ | !nvidia one liner |
| 14:43.02 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 14:43.14 | relic | hey guys, well, what's new about woobuntu/goobuntu? |
| 14:43.28 | yos87 | slackret: you push him to me? |
| 14:43.32 | tarzeau | relic: it doesn't exist. it's off-topic |
| 14:43.46 | relic | oh, sorry |
| 14:43.51 | chrome | Hmm, anyone else had problems with getting LVM2 to ignore md component devices? Tried toggling md_component_detection in lvm.conf but it doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 14:44.00 | SlackRat | push who??? |
| 14:44.13 | SlackRat | i burned my ubuntu cds in effigy |
| 14:44.18 | yos87 | dimmir |
| 14:44.33 | SlackRat | after yet another boot bug |
| 14:44.54 | SlackRat | and girded my loins and reinstalled debian on this finicky laptop |
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| 14:46.19 | davis | hello |
| 14:46.19 | yos87 | dimmir: it didn't work |
| 14:46.35 | lunitik | !doesn't work |
| 14:46.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:46.35 | yos87 | dimmir: what should I do now |
| 14:46.39 | davis | anybody use vmware on debian here? |
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| 14:46.50 | tarzeau | davis: yes |
| 14:46.57 | tarzeau | davis: 5.5.1 on sarge |
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| 14:47.09 | dimir | yos87: update-rc.d -f gdm defaults |
| 14:47.11 | yos87 | lunitik: sorry, a mistake |
| 14:47.17 | SlackRat | LMAO dpkg |
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| 14:47.40 | davis | could I use vmware to run a windowsXP installation? how about a qnx session? |
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| 14:47.53 | SlackRat | dpkg is a bot? |
| 14:47.55 | tarzeau | davis: yes. yes. |
| 14:48.01 | dimir | IDW! |
| 14:48.01 | davis | tarzeau: thanks |
| 14:48.07 | dimir | !idw |
| 14:48.07 | dpkg | idw is, like, The phrase "it doesn't work" is not allowed on this channel. Please explain what you did, then tell us what happened, then explain how this differed from your expectations. see 'doesn't work' |
| 14:48.08 | lunitik | SlackRat: yes... so is apt... |
| 14:48.11 | raf256[laptop] | !bot |
| 14:48.11 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 14:48.30 | SlackRat | hey dpkg, it doesnt work! |
| 14:48.30 | yos87 | dimmir: the same |
| 14:48.35 | fireba11 | tarzeau: sicne youre on it .. VMware on headless debian ? i heared VMware si quite a bitch without a desktop so you can use gui |
| 14:48.38 | raf256[laptop] | dpkg: yo momma |
| 14:48.38 | dpkg | yo momma has an afro with a chin strap! |
| 14:48.44 | dimir | yos87: same what? |
| 14:48.55 | SlackRat | hmn, not a bot |
| 14:48.59 | dimir | yos87: what does it say? |
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| 14:49.03 | relic | at long long time ago, dpkg is not a bot, afaik |
| 14:49.09 | tarzeau | fireba11: headless debian? remote x , vnc, rdesktop you mean? |
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| 14:49.14 | yos87 | dimmir: it say usage ,...... |
| 14:49.21 | tarzeau | fireba11: i'm not a fan of vmware |
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| 14:49.34 | lunitik | tarzeau: any particular reason? |
| 14:49.39 | dimir | yos87: apt-get update && apt-get install gdm |
| 14:49.41 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i mean a debain with no desktop environment installed |
| 14:50.01 | tarzeau | lunitik: it's slow, it costs much (i can spend money in a way more joyful for me) |
| 14:50.11 | tarzeau | fireba11: without x , you mean? |
| 14:50.11 | fireba11 | tarzeau i got told VMware is really unhandy if you need to operate it from console :-D |
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| 14:50.19 | fireba11 | tarzeau yes |
| 14:50.26 | tarzeau | fireba11: it runs without x on a local computer? i doubt |
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| 14:50.34 | fireba11 | tarzeau it does ... |
| 14:50.39 | yos87 | again it connect to the internet |
| 14:50.40 | tarzeau | fireba11: really? |
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| 14:50.57 | yos87 | dimmir: done, it finish downloading |
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| 14:51.01 | tarzeau | fireba11: it doesn't. here |
| 14:51.11 | tarzeau | lunitik: network services? |
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| 14:51.16 | fireba11 | tarzeau yes .. a collegue here tried .. but he said it's almost impossible to use from shell anyway |
| 14:51.21 | tarzeau | lunitik: for software you don't have the source for |
| 14:51.27 | tarzeau | fireba11: i meant like with display in console... |
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| 14:51.38 | lunitik | tarzeau: I didn't think standard VMware did that? (hence VMware server or whatever) |
| 14:51.42 | tarzeau | fireba11: you know my opinion about vmware |
| 14:51.48 | yos87 | dimmir: what is the gdm |
| 14:51.49 | fireba11 | tarzeau: currently my VMware servers are running suse 9.3 ... |
| 14:51.58 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i need to work with ti though :-( |
| 14:51.58 | dimir | yos87: now: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 14:52.02 | tarzeau | fireba11: i've only packaged it for other people to use |
| 14:52.12 | dimir | yos87: gnome login manager |
| 14:52.12 | tarzeau | fireba11: i run OPENSTEP and other stuff on real systems |
| 14:52.17 | lunitik | yos87: ever heard of Ubuntu, seems it would be better for you :/ |
| 14:52.29 | davis | i only need vmware for console mode qnx apps really. |
| 14:52.30 | fireba11 | lunitik: hu? |
| 14:52.40 | tarzeau | davis: realtime stuff? |
| 14:52.45 | SlackRat | thats not nice to wish ubuntu on people |
| 14:52.51 | tarzeau | davis: what kind of qnx apps is that, got sources? |
| 14:52.52 | davis | tarzeau: yes for prototyping. |
| 14:52.53 | triple5 | dpkg: what? |
| 14:52.53 | dpkg | This! |
| 14:52.53 | lunitik | SlackRat: hahah |
| 14:53.09 | tarzeau | davis: what are these apps supposed to do/measure? |
| 14:53.11 | davis | tarzeau: not really an app. just learning qnx. |
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| 14:53.20 | triple5 | dpkg: what is tarzeau? |
| 14:53.22 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, triple5 |
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| 14:53.34 | lunitik | triple5: its a bot... leave it be |
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| 14:53.41 | azeem | triple5: please stop abusing the bot |
| 14:53.54 | triple5 | dpkg: sorry |
| 14:53.54 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 14:53.59 | azeem | triple5: please stop abusing the bot |
| 14:54.06 | tarzeau | !repeat |
| 14:54.06 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:54.22 | lunitik | tarzeau: haha... beat me to it :P |
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| 14:55.07 | SlackRat | thats what i like about debian, the attitude.....LOL |
| 14:55.12 | triple5 | I feel sometimes I want to have a private chat with dpkg, at least there is always an answer... |
| 14:55.26 | lunitik | triple5: /msg dpkg someshit |
| 14:55.28 | SlackRat | talk to iGod.... |
| 14:55.29 | zege | SlackRat thats not nice to wish ubuntu on people : why? |
| 14:55.33 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 14:55.36 | rhalff | sarge == unstable ? |
| 14:55.40 | azeem | rhalff: no |
| 14:55.44 | SlackRat | NOOOO! rhalff |
| 14:55.45 | azeem | rhalff: sarge == stable |
| 14:55.46 | ronin | rhalff: sarge = stable |
| 14:55.46 | lunitik | rhalff: sarge = stable |
| 14:55.50 | rhalff | ah good :) |
| 14:55.54 | tarzeau | sarge = old! |
| 14:56.02 | lunitik | tarzeau: that too |
| 14:56.03 | rhalff | so 3.1r1 is stable |
| 14:56.04 | SlackRat | its buggy as a lice infested leper, zege |
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| 14:56.37 | zege | SlackRat: on my notebook it works pretty |
| 14:56.40 | SlackRat | very stable, thalsff |
| 14:56.41 | ice_1963 | sarge=old |
| 14:56.51 | SlackRat | pretty buggy when i tested it |
| 14:56.51 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what do you use? |
| 14:56.55 | rhalff | ok thanks |
| 14:56.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: sid |
| 14:56.58 | zege | SlackRat: but on my servers there is good old woody |
| 14:57.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: true dat |
| 14:57.06 | SlackRat | i rest my case, heh |
| 14:57.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and my own packages and sometimes experimental |
| 14:57.18 | fireba11 | zege: then you should upgrade soon :-) |
| 14:57.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have been making my own packages too |
| 14:57.23 | lunitik | SlackRat: Ubuntu = Sid with a bunch of patches for dumb things like launchpad integration :/ |
| 14:57.27 | zege | work in progress |
| 14:57.33 | rhalff | run several servers with unstable is maybe newer but maintainance hell also. |
| 14:57.34 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: where's your repo? |
| 14:57.35 | SlackRat | if you want a simple , newb style one disk, try Mepis, but dont expect them to know what the GPL is |
| 14:57.50 | yos87 | dimmir: I get a messege: I cannot start xserver, it seems not set up correctly. |
| 14:58.00 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I upgraded my databases to mysql 5.0 and some of my stuff stopped working so I had to make packages for newer versions that had the fixes for mysql 5.0 |
| 14:58.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its none public at the moment |
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| 14:58.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I will fix that soon though |
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| 14:58.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: actually it is online but not up to date |
| 14:58.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.linuxbs.org/public/debian/binary/ |
| 14:59.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have new packages for gitweb and I have some other packages that are not in the repository yet |
| 14:59.22 | yos87 | dimmir: what's wrong |
| 15:00.50 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i found two new games, but couldn't test them since X broke for me |
| 15:01.00 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: some problem with libXau.so.6 |
| 15:01.16 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what problem? |
| 15:01.19 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and the x transition broke links2 -g for x11 :( |
| 15:01.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: maybe it needs an update |
| 15:01.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: that sucks |
| 15:01.32 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i don't remember the error msg. but it's not important, i can play nethack and music |
| 15:01.41 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it's sid as per yesterday |
| 15:01.43 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I use links2 |
| 15:01.55 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: with -g in x11? you fix it! |
| 15:02.00 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: not with -g |
| 15:02.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: let me try it |
| 15:02.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i use -g now with svgalib :) |
| 15:02.54 | tarzeau | i don't really need x, gnustep would also run without x, if someone wrote a new backend for it |
| 15:02.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: it works |
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| 15:03.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but I must have the etch package |
| 15:03.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ill install from sid |
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| 15:03.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: tried opencubicplayer yet? |
| 15:04.36 | zege | is a squid package for sarge available? |
| 15:04.45 | tarzeau | zege: yes |
| 15:04.59 | zege | ok, thx |
| 15:05.23 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 15:05.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no |
| 15:05.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: whats that? |
| 15:06.09 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have been spending too much time reading and coding and such |
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| 15:06.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: best music player! |
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| 15:06.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah I will look at it |
| 15:06.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: links2 from sid not working with -g |
| 15:07.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have built a cluster |
| 15:07.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its very nice |
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| 15:07.50 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it can do what? |
| 15:07.51 | sebaaaa | hola! |
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| 15:07.56 | [[JuNO]] | hola! |
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| 15:08.19 | Eclipser | http://rafb.net/paste/results/v2K7P043.html should I be concerned? :) |
| 15:08.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: it can serve web, dns, mail or whatever and if one server dies the cluster is still online |
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| 15:08.33 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and if power goes away? |
| 15:08.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: so you can take down servers for maintenance etc... but still be online |
| 15:08.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: power wont go away in data centre |
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| 15:09.00 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: bomb falls on data centre? |
| 15:09.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: there are UPS and generators |
| 15:09.07 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: thats not going to be good |
| 15:09.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: also if the sky falls in the cluster will go down |
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| 15:10.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: it is in a bomb proof bullet proof magic case |
| 15:10.09 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: it is indestructable |
| 15:10.30 | tarzeau | i'd like a box where i can enter company names, and then poof the company disappears |
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| 15:10.40 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:10.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: why? |
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| 15:10.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: to make disappear some companies |
| 15:11.04 | xyjs | i'm a newbie |
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| 15:11.09 | azeem | xyjs: hi |
| 15:12.19 | SlackRat | hey, xyjs |
| 15:12.34 | wireddd | hello xyjs |
| 15:12.40 | xyjs | how do you do! |
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| 15:13.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you dont like the companies? |
| 15:13.52 | crypt_ex | I have found out that Amsn and Nautlius do not work together nicely. When I have a playlist of mp3s playing in Nautlius (I presume this uses the 'play' command), amsn never plays any beeps (I presume this uses the 'play' command too). However when I have finished with the mp3 playlist in Nautlius, play is executed with lots of beeps and notifies from amsn. Does anyone know how to make these work in harmony together? |
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| 15:14.35 | xyjs | I 'm using xchat client what clients are you using ? |
| 15:14.42 | jharrisonwk | crypt_ex: msn is for babies |
| 15:15.09 | jharrisonwk | xyjs: irssi, the best irc client in the world |
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| 15:16.04 | wireddd | i'm using xchat |
| 15:16.04 | xyjs | do you have any ref about it? |
| 15:16.06 | k31th | ANyone ? |
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| 15:16.15 | jharrisonwk | xyjs: ref? |
| 15:16.19 | ronin | xyjs: www.irssi.org |
| 15:16.25 | k31th | had problems playing ac3 audio videos in mplayer |
| 15:16.37 | jharrisonwk | k31th: use vlc |
| 15:16.55 | xyjs | many thanks to you all! |
| 15:17.04 | jharrisonwk | xyjs: welcome |
| 15:17.20 | crypt_ex | jharrisonwk, then I am big baby |
| 15:17.26 | k31th | jharrisonwk: vlc is not even playing any sound |
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| 15:17.28 | jharrisonwk | crypt_ex: :) |
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| 15:17.40 | ronin | crypt_ex: turn off notifications in msn? :) things are annoying anyhow |
| 15:17.50 | jharrisonwk | crypt_ex: girls like cute babies |
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| 15:17.52 | crypt_ex | simple answer |
| 15:17.52 | ronin | or rather amsn |
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| 15:18.06 | jharrisonwk | k31th: do you have a sound problem? |
| 15:18.15 | crypt_ex | jharrisonwk, its the damn girls I needing to use it! They dont do IRC |
| 15:18.24 | jharrisonwk | crypt_ex: hehehehe |
| 15:18.30 | k31th | jharrisonwk: no |
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| 15:18.38 | marga | Hi! Does anyone know how to select which pdf-reader to use as default for all the browsers? (epiphany, galeon, firefox) |
| 15:18.42 | k31th | jharrisonwk: not normally i watch other videos fine |
| 15:18.50 | k31th | the video plays fine in dare i say it widnows |
| 15:19.10 | jharrisonwk | windows!?! |
| 15:19.51 | k31th | yes |
| 15:19.55 | TaSo | heya, what are some good Project Management Tools |
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| 15:20.15 | jharrisonwk | k31th: you must break away from the slavery of having bill gates as your pimp |
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| 15:20.29 | k31th | id like to if i could play video files |
| 15:20.32 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:20.39 | rhalff | how do I get the list of services that will be started from init.d ? |
| 15:20.45 | jharrisonwk | k31th: what kind of sound set up do you have? |
| 15:20.51 | jharrisonwk | k31th: do you use alsa? |
| 15:20.56 | jharrisonwk | k31th: do you compile your own kernel? |
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| 15:21.08 | k31th | 1337 |
| 15:21.11 | k31th | i got it working |
| 15:21.16 | jharrisonwk | k31th: maybe vlc and mplayer need to use oss compatibility? |
| 15:21.19 | k31th | needed alsa plugin for vlc |
| 15:21.27 | jharrisonwk | k31th: I was about to say that |
| 15:21.43 | jharrisonwk | k31th: I was just listing ideas of what to check |
| 15:21.45 | k31th | :D |
| 15:21.55 | jharrisonwk | k31th: probably doing the same with mplayer will work also |
| 15:22.06 | jharrisonwk | k31th: such as the mplayer --alsa switch |
| 15:22.11 | k31th | m,player actually played it tho was just outta sync |
| 15:22.12 | jharrisonwk | k31th: I am not sure what it is but there is one |
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| 15:22.16 | jharrisonwk | k31th: use man mplayer to find it |
| 15:22.24 | jharrisonwk | k31th: ah |
| 15:22.27 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i don't like some companies, yes |
| 15:22.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i use msn |
| 15:22.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we could use your magic company poof box for microsoft? |
| 15:22.59 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: TalkSoup.app isn't bad either |
| 15:23.00 | bibe | hi all. I am writing a script to generate live cd iso images from a given package selection. Should it be very difficult to build a web-based tool functioning like synaptic? I mean to let the "user" search for a package, mark it as "to be installed", and check all dependencies? The main scope of all this is to get a file containing the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' based on the "user"'s choices |
| 15:23.09 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: for example, yes |
| 15:23.10 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: girls like cute babies |
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| 15:23.23 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm not cute, and not a baby either |
| 15:23.28 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
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| 15:23.54 | smagy2 | hello folks is there something called as a core dump device, to which i could enable logging from, and log all core dumps. would appreciate some pointers to this |
| 15:23.59 | tarzeau | bibe: based on debian? |
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| 15:24.15 | tarzeau | bibe: does it work already? homepage? |
| 15:24.16 | Optic | smagy2: netbsd has a 'savecore' program that runs on startup...? |
| 15:24.23 | tarzeau | smagy2: ulimit |
| 15:24.24 | Optic | maybe debian has something similar |
| 15:24.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: msn == messenger sucking nads |
| 15:25.00 | tarzeau | yes debian hurd, kfreebsd and linux can have core dump files |
| 15:25.01 | Optic | does debian have any way to move hotplug/pc card services higher in the boot? I need them configured before networks since I'm using ppp over a pc card serial..? |
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| 15:25.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you can do msn through bitlbee in gnu screen in irssi |
| 15:25.43 | abrotman | secher: ? |
| 15:25.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: though i use amsn sometimes |
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| 15:25.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im just joking around anyways |
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| 15:26.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im in that kind of mood |
| 15:26.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: gaim is much more worse |
| 15:26.10 | SlackRat | can i get rid of that nasty ass after image when i boot into debian, usually from the last system booted? |
| 15:26.17 | bibe | tarzeau : yes, it will be based on debian, using some concepts (squashfs) from ubuntu. The only web-based part of the project is the package chooser |
| 15:26.24 | hcy | anybody here know about using latex? a dvi file that used to display fine for me now shows only punctuation marks and gives me the following error: "kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 600 --mag 1+120/600 --dpi 720 rdavid // mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for rdavid." Please help. Thanks. |
| 15:26.29 | smagy2 | optic: oh, ok. will check it out |
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| 15:26.31 | Optic | slack: update the video driver to blank memory properly :) |
| 15:26.33 | tarzeau | !confuse SlackRat |
| 15:26.33 | dpkg | No, how are our snake tomorrow, SlackRat? wellies of the people's republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 15:26.51 | ronin | SlackRat: get a better monitor ;) |
| 15:27.01 | smagy2 | tarzeau: err ulimit -c is to enable core and set core file size. i am looking for the /dev/core or something like that |
| 15:27.09 | SlackRat | its a laptop |
| 15:27.14 | tarzeau | smagy2: aha, no idea |
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| 15:27.40 | Optic | what's the best way to bring up a network interface automatically on a PC card? |
| 15:27.43 | Optic | in this case, ppp? |
| 15:27.45 | SlackRat | methinks dpkg is a bot, or is having a seizure, one or the other |
| 15:28.01 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 15:28.01 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 15:28.09 | SlackRat | my condolences |
| 15:28.10 | SlackRat | heh |
| 15:28.14 | jharrisonwk | !confuse SlackRat |
| 15:28.14 | dpkg | Yes, how was your pineapple yesterday, SlackRat? breeches of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 15:28.25 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 15:28.25 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 15:28.48 | SlackRat | I can update my video driver to blank properly?! |
| 15:28.51 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: party pooper |
| 15:28.53 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i've seen overbaken fish with potatos and lemons in a magazine yesterday |
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| 15:28.55 | SlackRat | !confuse dpkg |
| 15:28.56 | dpkg | Yes, where is my weasel today, dpkg? pants of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 15:28.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i so wanted one! |
| 15:29.05 | tarzeau | with extra cheese |
| 15:29.06 | dimir | !moo |
| 15:29.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:29.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: from where? |
| 15:29.16 | abrotman | FFS .. go to #debian-bots |
| 15:29.21 | SlackRat | AH, what are cow powers dpkg? |
| 15:29.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: in a local magazine |
| 15:29.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: dont they have fish in swiss? |
| 15:29.52 | Optic | no hints? :P |
| 15:29.53 | SlackRat | apt-get moo |
| 15:30.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes, but who's gonna prepare it for me? wait tonight i meet a potential someone who can cook it ... |
| 15:30.09 | dimir | SlackRat: in a shell |
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| 15:30.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I can tell you bahamas recipes |
| 15:30.26 | SlackRat | im a literalist |
| 15:30.33 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: but who can cook it for me? |
| 15:30.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you cant cook from a recipe? |
| 15:30.49 | SlackRat | LMAO, cow in shell |
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| 15:31.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the instant pizzas i bake are black like night |
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| 15:31.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: oh |
| 15:31.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'd say i can cook moderately |
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| 15:31.23 | SlackRat | theres a package with funny man pages, but the only funny man page i found so far was rtfm |
| 15:31.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you have friends who cook? |
| 15:31.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeah, or junkfood |
| 15:31.50 | tarzeau | or outside, and steal fruits from garden |
| 15:31.54 | patric | that's disturbing |
| 15:31.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: swiss have good junk food |
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| 15:32.06 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmm |
| 15:32.20 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i hate chocolate. 10 kg! |
| 15:32.24 | le_NEKO | hi ! |
| 15:32.31 | patric | building a debian stable box to be a router |
| 15:32.33 | SlackRat | !confuse jharrisonwk |
| 15:32.33 | dpkg | No, where are their bacon tomorrow, jharrisonwk? pants of the democracy of belarus with extra cheese |
| 15:32.41 | azeem | SlackRat: please stop abusing the bot |
| 15:32.45 | SlackRat | sorry |
| 15:32.52 | le_NEKO | i have some question about nfs |
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| 15:33.08 | tarzeau | le_NEKO: just ask |
| 15:33.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you hate it cause you cant eat it |
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| 15:33.49 | patric | I have yet to discover apt-get install preconfigured nat firewall rules with a nice interface for cusomization |
| 15:34.01 | jebstark | do anyone know if ddclient and no-ip could conflict? or is just OK to run them both? |
| 15:34.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes there's an embargo in my mouth for chocolate |
| 15:34.12 | jharrisonwk | patric: shorewall works very well |
| 15:34.16 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sucks |
| 15:34.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: or i can't use my trousers anymore |
| 15:34.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I also have the same embargo |
| 15:34.34 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes |
| 15:34.39 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: /query me, we're crossing the offtopic limit |
| 15:34.58 | patric | thanks jharrisonwk but debian is kind of a requirement (they need to remain inplace and updatable over a long period of time) |
| 15:35.22 | le_NEKO | i want to export some share , but i don't know how the security work, is it deal with users & pass ? |
| 15:35.42 | sifi | how can I figure out a external device after I have pluged it in a USB port? |
| 15:35.46 | tarzeau | le_NEKO: man 5 exports |
| 15:36.00 | tarzeau | sifi: dmesg |
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| 15:36.17 | sifi | tarzeau, I did it after the boot |
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| 15:36.40 | le_NEKO | ok |
| 15:36.51 | neto_ro | tem alguem do barsil?? |
| 15:36.55 | tarzeau | sifi: i did it in the staircase |
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| 15:36.58 | neto_ro | digo, Brasil |
| 15:37.21 | azeem | !br |
| 15:37.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:37.35 | patric | also, anyone have any ideas how to install just enough of X for an xclient on a headless box? these machines ultimately won't have video, and disk usage is a concern, so I need a bare x framework |
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| 15:37.54 | azeem | patric: just install the client, it should drag in what is needed? |
| 15:38.11 | azeem | you might want to have xauth from xbase-clients as well, maybe |
| 15:38.29 | patric | azeem: can't open display 0:0 |
| 15:38.32 | sifi | tarzeau, I cant mount with the usb device cause it have a boot partition, so how can I check when linux is up and running |
| 15:38.32 | Optic | if I want to use a Sarge box as a NAT router, which package should I look at? |
| 15:38.43 | azeem | patric: you need to forward the display |
| 15:38.43 | Optic | in netbsd it's ipf/ipnat? |
| 15:38.49 | Optic | what's it called in debian? |
| 15:38.54 | le_NEKO | do you think smb protocol is more secure than nfs ? |
| 15:39.09 | tarzeau | Optic: iptables/ipchains/ipfw |
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| 15:39.15 | tarzeau | le_NEKO: no |
| 15:39.20 | Optic | tarzeau: ok, which? or do they all work together? |
| 15:39.21 | tarzeau | le_NEKO: and it's slower too |
| 15:39.28 | houn | Hey, is there a file in Debian you can add commands to that will run them at boot time? |
| 15:39.28 | tarzeau | Optic: depends which debian you have |
| 15:39.29 | azeem | patric: by SSH/X11 forwarding, e.g., or by running a display manager on the headless box, and connecting to it from your local X-server |
| 15:39.34 | Optic | tarzeau: sarge, 3.1 |
| 15:39.35 | tarzeau | Optic: which kernel to be more precisely |
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| 15:39.42 | tarzeau | Optic: can be 2.4 or 2.6 of linux |
| 15:39.43 | Optic | 2.4 |
| 15:39.44 | patric | right |
| 15:39.51 | le_NEKO | thanks you tarzeau |
| 15:39.51 | tarzeau | Optic: but oh, they both use iptables |
| 15:39.57 | tarzeau | strike ipchains, that was 2.2 |
| 15:39.59 | |parser| | anyone got a good place to start looking when thinking about implementing powerdns? |
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| 15:40.15 | Optic | tarzeau: ok, and that's built-in? I just need to google iptables? :) |
| 15:40.19 | patric | (etherape:3641): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:40.30 | tarzeau | Optic: apt-get install iptables |
| 15:40.35 | tarzeau | Optic: shorewall is nice, imho |
| 15:40.42 | Optic | what's that? |
| 15:40.54 | tarzeau | Optic: frontend to iptables |
| 15:40.56 | Optic | i'm totally new to linux, i'm a bsd guy :) |
| 15:41.05 | tarzeau | Optic: oh, check debian gnu/kfreebsd! |
| 15:41.14 | tarzeau | Optic: and you can use ipfw (of freebsd/openbsd) |
| 15:41.23 | tarzeau | Optic: #gnu-kbsd |
| 15:41.31 | Optic | i'll check it out :) |
| 15:41.41 | patric | installing xbase-clients now |
| 15:41.53 | Optic | and debian uses isc-dhcpd? |
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| 15:42.07 | tarzeau | Optic: among others |
| 15:42.43 | SlackRat | damn, dsl is picky about what boxes itll boot on.... |
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| 15:42.57 | romulo | Warning: Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 19 |
| 15:42.57 | romulo | of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 17. |
| 15:42.59 | romulo | Some things may be broken... |
| 15:42.59 | azeem | SlackRat: what does that have to do with Debian? |
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| 15:43.01 | romulo | wlan0 No scan results |
| 15:43.03 | romulo | sorry |
| 15:43.05 | romulo | i need help for this =P |
| 15:43.06 | Optic | ok |
| 15:43.13 | Optic | should I use shorewall or just iptables? :) |
| 15:43.31 | patric | iptables |
| 15:43.31 | sifi | Optic, iptables |
| 15:43.35 | Optic | ok :) |
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| 15:43.41 | Optic | thanks, i'll give it a go |
| 15:43.54 | romulo | what i should do? windows find my router and linux doesnt =/ |
| 15:43.54 | sifi | Optic, with shorewall you never learn iptables |
| 15:44.04 | romulo | iwconfig wlan0 scan doesnt result anything |
| 15:44.21 | patric | turn off upnp |
| 15:44.39 | sifi | romulo, use a switch instead with NAT |
| 15:44.53 | patric | then windows won't find it either, sorry that was supposed to be funny |
| 15:44.58 | sifi | romulo, then you have a damn fine router |
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| 15:45.19 | patric | make sure they have identical default gateway settings |
| 15:45.28 | azeem | romulo: it's iwlist scan I thought |
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| 15:46.10 | patric | sorry, I missed that it was a wireless discussion, what chipset is your wifi card? |
| 15:46.13 | Thanaway | how set the configuration for urxvt ? i have tried all but not posible with the new pacakge on ETCH |
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| 15:47.24 | FlimFlamMan | does anyone have any idea how to draw a *straight line* with dia? 0.94 on sarge. |
| 15:49.09 | patric | after installing xbase-clients same message |
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| 15:49.50 | omry|work | anyone managed to use Marvell Yukon 88e8050 Ethernet (onboard intel mb) card with Debian? |
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| 15:50.55 | pepo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.01 | pepo | configure** |
| 15:51.25 | patric | you want the wrt54gs to run debian? |
| 15:51.36 | pepo | patric, run linux |
| 15:51.51 | patric | www.openwrt.org |
| 15:51.59 | pepo | patric, but y can not see the web page for configure |
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| 15:52.07 | pepo | but on windows its working fine |
| 15:52.50 | patric | wireless or wired connection to it? |
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| 15:53.03 | [Bart] | hi, a problem. Suddenly my debian only starts with the root device in read only mode. Any idea what can cause this problem? |
| 15:53.06 | pepo | wireless |
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| 15:53.40 | patric | you can dhcp an ip from it? |
| 15:53.54 | Amarande | G'morning. |
| 15:54.05 | triple5 | [Bart] how could we know? we have to see the logs... |
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| 15:54.20 | triple5 | Morn' Amarande |
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| 15:54.39 | Amarande | Y'know, I -still- don't recall there being an Etch-a-Sketch in Toy Story. :) |
| 15:54.45 | Amarande | But there has to be one, if this is called etch. |
| 15:54.48 | patric | peop what is your linux boxes ip address? |
| 15:54.57 | [Bart] | triple5 : thats the problem.. its RO, so it cannot write to logs. The only thing is that that boot starts in RO mode |
| 15:55.18 | SlackRat | i tend to trust someone who worked at Pixar on Toy Story... |
| 15:55.47 | patric | yeah there was, and they called him etch |
| 15:55.56 | Amarande | bart: try booting some sort of live CD so you can fsck the partition |
| 15:56.19 | patric | http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1800026443&cf=pg&photoid=36143&intl=us |
| 15:56.25 | shevek | Is there any way to get ancient debian packages? snapshots.debian.net doesn't go far enough back since it crashed and lost its archive. |
| 15:56.26 | Amarande | I think it does though |
| 15:57.00 | [Bart] | Amarande : I did that, but not a full check (ext3), I will do a full check now |
| 15:57.08 | SlackRat | kanotix prolly does Amarande... |
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| 15:57.43 | Amarande | if the FS is fine, there's probably a configuration problem |
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| 15:58.01 | Amarande | but you should also be able to mount the debian partition from your live CD distro so people might be able to help you find the messed up file |
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| 15:58.17 | fireba11 | shevek: i think of its not in snapshots its most likely lost |
| 15:58.23 | fireba11 | if even |
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| 15:58.39 | sifi | Amarande, I having big problem with my EXT3 fs, do you know how to repair it? |
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| 15:59.06 | azeem | shevek: only a period is lost on snapshot.d.n |
| 15:59.13 | Nigromante | use fsck |
| 15:59.22 | azeem | shevek: but if it is not there, and the version was not part of a release, you are out of luck mostly I guess |
| 15:59.24 | sifi | Amarande, Im using e2fsck right now |
| 15:59.29 | shevek | azeem: So it says, but older things don't give me a listing either |
| 15:59.31 | patric | Woody: Hey, Etch... Draw! |
| 15:59.32 | patric | [Etch draws a picture of a gun] |
| 15:59.36 | azeem | shevek: you could try mailing the Maintainer, maybe he has the .debs still around |
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| 15:59.41 | azeem | or she |
| 15:59.47 | shevek | That's an idea |
| 15:59.58 | Amarande | sifi: you probably should use a version of fsck intended for ext3 |
| 16:00.02 | sweet_kate | hello: how can i lock my session by shell? what is the command? |
| 16:00.15 | sifi | Amarande, ^ |
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| 16:00.19 | ice_1963 | hay slackrat what are you running ?? |
| 16:00.34 | SlackRat | debian |
| 16:00.41 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 16:00.43 | Amarande | sweet_kate: console or X? and if X, what desktop environment? |
| 16:00.46 | SlackRat | why? |
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| 16:01.05 | sweet_kate | hello: how can i lock my X session by shell? what is the command?i have fluxbox |
| 16:01.07 | patric | exit |
| 16:01.10 | ice_1963 | well your nick |
| 16:01.17 | sweet_kate | Amarande: |
| 16:01.24 | sweet_kate | so? |
| 16:01.25 | SlackRat | its on a dual boot with slack |
| 16:01.25 | patric | xscreensaver |
| 16:01.40 | SlackRat | im promiscous |
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| 16:02.03 | patric | you find it odd that someone besides ian decided that slackware would be cool with automation and package management? |
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| 16:02.27 | patric | what happened in 1963 ice? |
| 16:02.40 | Amarande | I remember when all the distro-warriors hated slackware |
| 16:02.44 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 16:02.45 | SlackRat | not sure i know what you mean, patric |
| 16:02.46 | Amarande | does it even still exist? |
| 16:02.50 | Thanaway | any idea of why my system don't has the variable XAPPLRESDIR set ? |
| 16:03.00 | Nigromante | Has anyone problems with ALSA in debian etch, kernel 2.6.12 ?. I had and found the solution. You can ask me |
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| 16:03.01 | patric | debian was slack-based at one time |
| 16:03.02 | StereoSkit | dudes, anyone knows which font packages should i install in order to watch correctly japaneses characters in firefox? |
| 16:03.20 | Nigromante | ttf fonts |
| 16:03.23 | Nigromante | stereo |
| 16:03.24 | [Bart] | Amarande : seems that /lib/init/functions is missing on my system now. |
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| 16:03.39 | Nigromante | search "japanese fonts" in synaptic |
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| 16:03.42 | SlackRat | aaah, yeah, and now slack has borrowed apt-get as slapt-get.... |
| 16:04.02 | StereoSkit | Nigromante: k, tnx |
| 16:04.10 | Nigromante | u r welcome |
| 16:04.11 | patric | I don't think so, I am pretty sure the only package management slack ships with is pkgtool |
| 16:04.23 | Nigromante | same for chinese, korean and arabic fonts |
| 16:04.27 | SlackRat | true, the rest are not 'supported' |
| 16:04.27 | patric | slapt is 3rd party |
| 16:04.34 | houn | Question: When using GDM and Gnome, is there a file similar to .xsession you can use to start up a program automatically on log-in? |
| 16:04.50 | Optic | ok, so you use if-up.d to configure iptables? |
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| 16:05.30 | patric | although I don't think I actually have 10 installed on anything (when I got a hold of a sarge installer I pretty much went nuts with it) |
| 16:05.40 | Nigromante | to configure firewall (iptables) I recommend shorewall |
| 16:06.24 | SlackRat | heh....finally knuckled down and made sure sarge would run the way i want it on the lappy....the desktop install was a breeze though |
| 16:06.39 | Optic | nobody talks about the startup |
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| 16:07.11 | Amarande | bart: I don't have a /lib/init/functions either |
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| 16:07.31 | mhall | SlackRat: of all the down-knuckling on earth, SlackRat, making Linux run well on a laptop is the knuckledownest! |
| 16:07.37 | Amarande | and dpkg doesn't seem to know about it, either |
| 16:07.42 | Amarande | I don't think that file is needed |
| 16:07.54 | houn | Repeat Question: When using GDM and Gnome, is there a file similar to .xsession you can use to start up a program automatically on log-in? |
| 16:07.55 | SlackRat | LOL tell me about it |
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| 16:08.19 | SlackRat | whats strange is the "easiest " distros are the worst to use on a lappy |
| 16:08.31 | Nigromante | It seems easy when you have done it (laptop install) |
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| 16:09.18 | SlackRat | everything seems easy after youve done it, heh |
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| 16:09.28 | kreg_dcdi | i still don't understand the need to drift into the new inbred distros. the redhats, debian, and slack, still remains all i need. |
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| 16:09.43 | SlackRat | the scary part was when i tried to upgrade OO and KDE....everything got wierd for a while |
| 16:10.25 | SlackRat | very true kreg, finding out the hard way |
| 16:10.33 | SlackRat | lol |
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| 16:10.50 | abrotman | people use slack? |
| 16:11.01 | Nigromante | Well, for laptop install, most of the times problems are solved upgrading the distro version or kernel version |
| 16:11.25 | Nigromante | my conclusion after searching for hours and days the internet |
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| 16:12.29 | SlackRat | yeah, abrotman, it survives the crash that happens when one hit debian derivative flavors of the month touch my system |
| 16:12.42 | SlackRat | system fall down go boom |
| 16:12.52 | Optic | so what's the best way to configure iptables at boot? |
| 16:12.54 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 16:12.56 | Optic | create an init.d script? |
| 16:13.00 | Optic | or use if-up.d? |
| 16:13.03 | Nigromante | Optic, use shorewall |
| 16:13.32 | Nigromante | it's easy to config (you must read docs first) |
| 16:13.45 | SlackRat | brb |
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| 16:13.54 | Nigromante | Firestarter is an option too |
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| 16:14.37 | mhall | abrotman: well the upside to slackware is if it fucks up, there isn't anything that could go wrong you couldn't fix with tar |
| 16:14.38 | Amarande | what I find surprising is that Red Hat Enterprise Linux remains popular |
| 16:14.47 | mhall | abrotman: you can't zap the package DB, etc. |
| 16:14.48 | Amarande | You'd think people would be more inclined to gravitate to the free distros instead |
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| 16:15.09 | abrotman | mhall: like ar ? |
| 16:15.11 | mhall | Amarande: well at the enterprise level, support is more critical than dollar cost |
| 16:15.22 | Amarande | well, yeah |
| 16:15.25 | mhall | abrotman: ? |
| 16:15.27 | abrotman | mhall: i have repaired a debian system with ar :) |
| 16:15.33 | mhall | abrotman: ar, how? |
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| 16:15.39 | abrotman | ar x <package> |
| 16:15.46 | mhall | abrotman: lol |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | then put the stuff in place :) |
| 16:15.46 | Amarande | can you imagine if every junior admin at whatever company in the country tried to come to #debian for enterprise support :) |
| 16:15.53 | mhall | abrotman: i didn't realize that would work |
| 16:16.02 | mhall | abrotman: what's the upside of ar over tar |
| 16:16.11 | abrotman | mhall: the debian packages are ar format |
| 16:16.18 | Amarande | though, on the other hand, FreeBSD seems to be pretty popular for major servers, and they don't have any more paid support than us :) |
| 16:16.19 | abrotman | mhall: try it :) |
| 16:16.22 | Nigromante | I think consultants exist on debian |
| 16:16.24 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:16.25 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:16.28 | tarzeau | Amarande: seen that yet? |
| 16:16.29 | abrotman | Nigromante: yes |
| 16:16.39 | Amarande | tarzeau: loading |
| 16:16.41 | tarzeau | Amarande: and http://www.debian.org/users/ |
| 16:16.43 | mhall | abrotman: i believe it, i knew they were in _some_ archive format |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | Nigromante: http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 16:16.51 | Nigromante | yep |
| 16:16.51 | mhall | abrotman: but why pick a more obscure one? |
| 16:16.54 | tarzeau | Amarande: no other software distribution is so distributed and large as debian |
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| 16:17.10 | abrotman | mhall: don't ask me .. i didn't design deb format .. we could switch to XAR :) |
| 16:17.18 | Nigromante | I think debian is the easiest distro |
| 16:17.27 | Nigromante | the most consistent |
| 16:17.37 | mhall | abrotman: hehe |
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| 16:17.54 | abrotman | dork |
| 16:17.59 | abrotman | secher_: ! |
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| 16:18.14 | azeem | mhall: .debs are ar archives of two .tar.gz |
| 16:18.16 | secher_ | I'm trying to build a theme for firefox, but I can't figure out how to get the .jar to load into firefox. I found the other theme files /home/userid/.mozilla/firefox/ffffqbrq.default/extenxions/{some-m$-looking-alphanumeric-string}/chrome/ but I don't know how to create the dir string for a new theme. Help? |
| 16:18.26 | secher_ | abrotman: did you make it down there last night? |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | secher_: wtf happened to you yesterday ? |
| 16:18.27 | chrome | hmm? |
| 16:18.29 | chrome | oh. |
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| 16:18.37 | abrotman | secher_: no .. i waited for you .. then it got too late :) |
| 16:18.41 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:18.50 | Amarande | I probably should wait until I've installed everything I want before I run popcon |
| 16:19.03 | abrotman | it updates all the time |
| 16:19.06 | abrotman | install it whenever you wish |
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| 16:20.12 | secher_ | abrotman: Andrea got held up at work, and I was trying to find alternative modes of transportation. Heh, in addition, I got a call from my mechanic this morning telling me that the repairs would be $250.00 more than they'd told me previously. *sigh* |
| 16:21.11 | patric | ssh to a knoppix install with -X -C lets me run xapps just fine, ssh to -X -C to sarge gets can't open display |
| 16:21.11 | abrotman | secher_: oh well .. it happens .. no biggie |
| 16:21.11 | abrotman | !tell patric about sshx |
| 16:21.23 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:21.32 | secher_ | abrotman: we had a bit of a tiff last night, after she calls me 10 minuts before she's supposed to get home telling me that she's not leaving for another 10 minutes. Sorry bout that man, I tried. |
| 16:21.34 | Amarande | how many more 3D games can I set up on this box before I have to be bothered with wine |
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| 16:21.47 | abrotman | secher_: not a big deal .. i'll live .. somehow |
| 16:21.52 | Amarande | nwn, tuxracer, edge, and I think ut2004 has a linux native |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | Amarande: happypenguin.org |
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| 16:22.10 | abrotman | don't forget gltron! |
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| 16:22.19 | SlackRat | has max payne been ported to linux? |
| 16:22.21 | Nigromante | does anyone run enemy-territory on debian? |
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| 16:22.41 | |parser| | Nigro: yes |
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| 16:22.48 | phycho | hey guys |
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| 16:22.57 | phycho | anyone in here looking for a free VPS to learn debian on? |
| 16:23.00 | Nigromante | how about graphics |parser| ? |
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| 16:23.28 | |parser| | nvidia card :) |
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| 16:23.30 | abrotman | phycho: are you advertising / |
| 16:23.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:23.34 | secher_ | psycho: VPS? virtual private server? |
| 16:23.37 | phycho | its not advertisement as such |
| 16:23.40 | Nigromante | runs smoothly? |
| 16:23.45 | phycho | abortman - its not a paid for service |
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| 16:23.47 | |parser| | looks the same as on windows or faster in my experience |
| 16:23.47 | phycho | im starting a free project |
| 16:23.48 | phycho | =) |
| 16:23.53 | Nigromante | i'll try |
| 16:23.55 | chris | hey some msg me on how to use synaptic package manger! please |
| 16:23.56 | abrotman | testdrive.compaq.com! |
| 16:24.00 | phycho | nah |
| 16:24.03 | phycho | you get root |
| 16:24.08 | abrotman | you can't figure out synaptic ? |
| 16:24.10 | loxley | damn that gltron looks nice |
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| 16:24.16 | chris | i am using ubuntu |
| 16:24.17 | phycho | secher - yeah, virtual private server |
| 16:24.27 | SlackRat | ARG! |
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| 16:24.34 | chris | i get a error message |
| 16:24.39 | phycho | before i put it up live |
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| 16:24.47 | SlackRat | type #ubuntu |
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| 16:24.52 | chris | thats rat |
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| 16:24.57 | chris | your a good man rat |
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| 16:25.06 | tuxipuxi | is it possible to see a list of packages which have a given tag? |
| 16:25.08 | mhall | !tell chris about your |
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| 16:25.11 | |Lupin| | Hello, everybody. Just issued the commands suggested by /msg dpkg 2006 key but doesn't work. What should I do, please ? |
| 16:25.17 | chris | you all love debbie |
| 16:25.18 | Nigromante | tuxi, try synaptic |
| 16:25.26 | secher_ | psycho: Nice. you might want to try in #linuxnewbies or something lkike that. |
| 16:25.30 | chris | i loved suzzy |
| 16:25.32 | tuxipuxi | Nigromante: on the command line |
| 16:25.34 | chris | :) |
| 16:25.38 | Nigromante | mmm |
| 16:25.44 | Nigromante | apt-cache ?? |
| 16:25.46 | phycho | secher_ - good idea =) |
| 16:25.50 | chris | but the 90 day support was awful! |
| 16:25.52 | Nigromante | not sure, sorry |
| 16:25.54 | phycho | nobody in there though haha |
| 16:26.08 | chris | so i switched to ubuntu , how do you all like debian? |
| 16:26.17 | chris | its so big to download |
| 16:26.20 | chris | :P |
| 16:26.28 | mhall | chris: NO it's not |
| 16:26.28 | tuxipuxi | hmhm |
| 16:26.33 | secher_ | anyone! waht are some newbie linux channels? |
| 16:26.36 | chris | i feel the pain you all had like 2 days of downloading |
| 16:26.37 | mhall | chris: you only need a single 110 meg CD |
| 16:26.50 | chris | ohh wow texted based? |
| 16:26.55 | Azar | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 16:26.55 | secher_ | dpkg newbie channel |
| 16:26.58 | mhall | chris: text GUI |
| 16:27.01 | Nigromante | or aptitude tuxi |
| 16:27.02 | SlackRat | !confuse chris |
| 16:27.03 | dpkg | Yes, where was my hamster yesterday, chris? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 16:27.09 | chris | ha cray |
| 16:27.10 | mhall | SlackRat: :-) |
| 16:27.13 | Nigromante | although is menu based |
| 16:27.16 | mhall | SlackRat: he already is |
| 16:27.24 | SlackRat | lol mhall! |
| 16:27.41 | chris | i lost you me love suse...but ubuntu gives me headaches |
| 16:27.50 | Nigromante | got it: apt-cache search <regex> |
| 16:27.59 | Azar | chris, ubuntu is so good that they have a special irc channel dedicated for it, why don't you use it? type /join #ubuntu |
| 16:28.00 | chris | but good talking rat and everyone |
| 16:28.08 | mhall | SlackRat: i think this guy is a <xml><troll/><xml> |
| 16:28.11 | chris | and so is debian |
| 16:28.12 | chris | :) |
| 16:28.22 | mhall | SlackRat: i think this guy is a <xml><troll/></xml> * |
| 16:28.28 | thingfish | I thought so from the very first. |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | mhall: class ? |
| 16:28.33 | SlackRat | trolls are supposed to have evil intentions i thought, this is just cluelessness |
| 16:28.33 | mhall | abrotman: ? |
| 16:28.35 | chris | i am not a troll! |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | mhall: <troll /> |
| 16:28.36 | Azar | chris this is a #debian discuss channel please, move on >>> |
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| 16:28.45 | chris | ok let me carry on.. . |
| 16:28.47 | chris | byebye |
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| 16:29.25 | Amarande | heh, Microsoft should stop calling their OS Windows. I usually end up with more windows open at a time in X than in Windows. :) |
| 16:29.29 | tuxipuxi | Nigromante: ok will use synaptic on my other pc for that, thanks |
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| 16:29.53 | secher_ | Psycho: I dunno, there have *got* to be some newbie channels here. |
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| 16:29.54 | Amarande | Especially with GNOME giving me four full screens to work with. |
| 16:29.58 | Amarande | Speaking of which ... |
| 16:29.58 | mhall | Amarande: In a world mostly free of fences and walls, who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 16:30.02 | phycho | bah |
| 16:30.04 | phycho | i hate iptables |
| 16:30.09 | phycho | cant get the fucking thing to allow DNS |
| 16:30.10 | Amarande | How do you transfer a window from one of the four GNOME desktops to another one? |
| 16:30.10 | phycho | ;/ |
| 16:30.17 | Nigromante | tuxipuxi, try "apt-cache search your-name-to-look-for" |
| 16:30.23 | petemc | Amarande: drag and drop |
| 16:30.27 | mhall | Amarande: Try right clicking its taskbar entry. |
| 16:30.36 | Amarande | ahh, there we go. :) |
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| 16:30.47 | mhall | Amarande: And left-clicking the upper corner which has its program icon. |
| 16:31.02 | antgel | !tell phycho about shorewall |
| 16:31.11 | Azar | < j1b> kdm users wear black turtlenecks. discus.... (sorry I was missing that for a moment) |
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| 16:31.16 | abrotman | antgel! |
| 16:31.28 | phycho | i would rather write my own thanks |
| 16:31.34 | antgel | abrotman: abrotman! |
| 16:31.35 | phycho | the _EXACT SAME_ iptables script |
| 16:31.38 | phycho | works fine on my other box |
| 16:31.39 | phycho | ;/ |
| 16:31.40 | phycho | heh |
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| 16:32.19 | antgel | phycho: do it the hard way then |
| 16:32.22 | abrotman | ANTGEL! |
| 16:32.25 | thingfish | in gnome, Amarande, you can just drag its tiny icon in the workplace switcher and move it to whichever desktop you like. |
| 16:32.26 | secher_ | is there a way to list channels and search for a string? something akin to /list | grep newbie ? |
| 16:32.36 | phycho | $IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -p ALL -s $WAN_IP -j ACCEPT |
| 16:32.39 | phycho | that *should* work |
| 16:32.41 | abrotman | /list *asdf* ? |
| 16:32.58 | abrotman | nope |
| 16:33.17 | antgel | abrotman: DON'T SHOUT, THINK OF PRODUCTIVITY(TM)! |
| 16:33.24 | abrotman | antgel: MY BAD! |
| 16:33.25 | thingfish | all I get right-clicking on the icons in the workplace switcher is a menu common to all panel items. |
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| 16:33.31 | antgel | heh |
| 16:33.33 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.37 | abrotman | phycho: ask #iptables ? |
| 16:33.40 | Amarande | dang, I get more load when installing stuff than actually running it |
| 16:33.54 | beardy | secher_: /msg ChanServ help list ? |
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| 16:34.49 | patric | X11forwarding yes |
| 16:34.50 | secher_ | beardy: Bingo, thanks. |
| 16:35.04 | abrotman | beardy: do not try /msg chanserv list #*debian* |
| 16:35.05 | secher_ | Heh, server load is too heavy, pls try again later. |
| 16:35.07 | phycho | abrotman - i just let the port back in manually |
| 16:35.11 | abrotman | secher_: do it again! |
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| 16:35.35 | phycho | hmmm |
| 16:35.38 | phycho | it doesnt appear to be stateful! |
| 16:35.42 | beardy | abrotman: I haven't, but I might, just because you tell me not to ;); |
| 16:35.47 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got an issue, some scripts are executed every minute on my server and it hangs, a guy coded this in php... i don't mind but the problem is the scripts are hanging and stay in memory, the scripts are supposed to do stuff over an nfs share. now, the nfs mounted directory is not accessable, i have a BIG BUNCH of processes running and i have now idea how to solve this, like killing all those processes, i tryied pkill |
| 16:35.47 | Estes2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.47 | abrotman | good plan |
| 16:35.50 | Estes2 | oops |
| 16:35.56 | Estes2 | interactive mode, they stop |
| 16:36.01 | Estes2 | help please |
| 16:36.03 | Estes2 | :) |
| 16:36.09 | abrotman | why does the script hang ? |
| 16:36.13 | Estes2 | no idea |
| 16:36.19 | Estes2 | it doesn't in interactive more |
| 16:36.21 | Estes2 | mode * |
| 16:36.27 | beardy | abrotman: Did you try? What happened? |
| 16:36.28 | Estes2 | but it hangs when launched by cron |
| 16:36.37 | stew | Estes2: you can try killing the parent process, or you can kill all processes by that user with the slay command |
| 16:36.43 | abrotman | beardy: the number of debian related channels .. amazing :) |
| 16:36.50 | Estes2 | stew, yes, the user is root |
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| 16:37.01 | Estes2 | i don't really want to kill all root processes |
| 16:37.01 | beardy | abrotman: heh, have to check. :) |
| 16:37.06 | stew | Estes2: i don't recommend killing all processes by that user then, yeah |
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| 16:37.11 | Estes2 | :) |
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| 16:37.19 | kristalino | hi. Does anyone know a software to translate a phrase in another langage (CLI app) ? |
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| 16:37.35 | beardy | abrotman: wow, that was a lot |
| 16:37.43 | Estes2 | is there a way to get the stdout and stderr of a process that's running ? |
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| 16:37.51 | kristalino | sentence |
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| 16:37.54 | thingfish | I just use websites for any translation needs that arise. |
| 16:37.57 | stew | Estes2: look up the parent process of the process you are trying to kill with "ps -O%P pid" and kill the parent process (in the PPID column) |
| 16:38.04 | Estes2 | i mean, one that had been started by cron, i have put the config in /etc/crontab |
| 16:38.05 | Amarande | heh, another puzzling thing about cron ... it always syslogs stuff as "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in all caps |
| 16:38.10 | Amarande | which isn't quite appropriate, I'd say |
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| 16:38.44 | abrotman | beardy: see! |
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| 16:39.41 | DeeJay^ | Is is my mysql inc dir located when its installed thru apt-get? |
| 16:39.50 | Eclipser | is it possible to view a file with less like tail -f does... I can't seem to find an option for that |
| 16:40.01 | abrotman | DeeJay^: you probably want a -dev package .. apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 16:40.05 | abrotman | or -dev |
| 16:40.07 | DeeJay^ | k |
| 16:40.28 | Estes2 | stew, the problem is everytime a script launches other scripts, every minute, this script starts 3 scripts, and it hangs... |
| 16:40.52 | DeeJay^ | abrotman is it libmysqlclient15-dev ? |
| 16:41.00 | romulo | hi, my notebook cant find the wireless lan with ndiswrapper module and on windows it does fine, what should i do? |
| 16:41.09 | Estes2 | i think i found the script that hangs |
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| 16:41.43 | Nigromante | romulo, which card do u have? |
| 16:42.15 | abrotman | DeeJay^: depends on your currently installed mysql lib |
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| 16:42.48 | DeeJay^ | abrotman that is the 15 :) |
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| 16:42.56 | DeeJay^ | but i still get an error from qmailrocks install script |
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| 16:43.01 | DeeJay^ | configure: error: Unable to find your MySQL lib dir, specify --enable-libdir. |
| 16:43.07 | Estes2 | stew nk it ahngs because at some point the nfs share hangs |
| 16:43.08 | thingfish | eat healthy, people. |
| 16:43.27 | romulo | Nigromante, broadcom |
| 16:43.45 | stew | Estes2: yeah, i've seen that before, i'm not sure what to do about it |
| 16:43.56 | Nigromante | mmm sorry, cant help you, I use intel 2200bg |
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| 16:43.58 | stew | Estes2: besides remounting the nfs volume |
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| 16:44.30 | romulo | Nigromante,thanks anyway |
| 16:44.54 | fha | exit |
| 16:44.54 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:44.58 | romulo | the funny thing is if i do iwconfig wlan0 essid mynetwork it doesnt work |
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| 16:45.10 | gypsymauro | hello, I'm connectiong to a debian server via ssh -x from an ubuntu client, then i export DISPLAY=myip:0 then on my client I do xhost +, why I can't launch an x application and getting always a 'can't open display'? |
| 16:45.15 | Nigromante | error message ? |
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| 16:45.21 | fha | hi all |
| 16:45.26 | gypsymauro | there incompatibility between xfree and x.org? |
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| 16:45.30 | Estes2 | stew, ok, thanks, i'll try to find out |
| 16:45.40 | romulo | Nigromante, no error, just if i type iwconfig it appear essid off |
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| 16:46.02 | Guerin | gypsymauro: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:46.04 | Nigromante | do you use wpa-psk ?? |
| 16:46.17 | romulo | dont even know whats that |
| 16:46.18 | romulo | =P |
| 16:46.25 | romulo | i have no internet connection on my linux |
| 16:46.26 | romulo | =/ |
| 16:46.34 | Nigromante | type of encryption in ur wlan |
| 16:46.46 | Nigromante | check first your config in Windows |
| 16:46.51 | Guerin | gypsymauro: both xfree and xorg are x servers. ONly one of the boxes in a ssh forwarding situation needs or uses an x server. |
| 16:46.53 | HPS`Fresh | guys, what modules shoud i put in me kernel, to ls-sensors work? l2c? |
| 16:46.57 | azeem | gypsymauro: /msg dpkg ssh x11 forwarding |
| 16:47.02 | Nigromante | you can authenticate via wep or wpa |
| 16:47.07 | azeem | gypsymauro: you need xbase-clients as well, for xauth |
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| 16:47.23 | Nigromante | (or nothing if its an open network) |
| 16:47.29 | Estes2 | stew, would this be due to a bandwidth issue ? |
| 16:47.31 | `Soran | hello, what happened to the libapache-mod-fastcgi package in stable ? |
| 16:47.35 | `Soran | i cant seem to find it |
| 16:47.37 | Guerin | gypsymauro: and don't use xhost |
| 16:47.58 | Guerin | !find fastcgi sarge |
| 16:48.04 | Nigromante | if you use wpa-psk u must install wpa supplicant in addition to wireless tools (iwconfig) |
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| 16:48.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fastcgi' (5 of 12): (/usr/include/fastcgi.h) in libdevel/libfcgi-dev ;; (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/embpfastcgi.pl) in web/libembperl-perl ;; (/usr/share/roxen4/modules/scripting/fastcgi.pike) in web/roxen4 ;; (/etc/request-tracker3/apache-fastcgi.conf) in misc/request-tracker3 ;; (/etc/request-tracker3.4/apache-fastcgi.conf) in misc/request-tracker3.4. |
| 16:49.04 | romulo | im using wep |
| 16:49.05 | `Soran | is it because it's 'non-free' ? |
| 16:49.07 | romulo | 128 |
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| 16:50.00 | _rene_ | romulo: don't use ndiswrapper. |
| 16:50.19 | _rene_ | romulo: there's a native driver for the broadcom wlan cards now... |
| 16:50.24 | romulo | hmmm? |
| 16:50.37 | Nigromante | u can try last kernel if u dont find an appropriate module |
| 16:50.43 | Nigromante | 2.6.15.2 |
| 16:50.46 | romulo | i havce |
| 16:50.50 | romulo | i just compiled it last night |
| 16:50.52 | Nigromante | ok |
| 16:50.54 | romulo | whast the module name? |
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| 16:51.14 | _rene_ | it's not yet in the official kernel |
| 16:51.30 | houn | Anyone know what packages need be installed to play Ogg audio files? |
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| 16:51.32 | houn | In XMMS? |
| 16:51.34 | Guerin | `Soran: i *guess* that libapache2-mod-fcgid is what you want |
| 16:51.36 | romulo | mine is wcmwl5 |
| 16:51.38 | _rene_ | you need to build it yourself. or use the packages which are in sid... |
| 16:51.48 | stew | houn: vorbis-tools |
| 16:51.52 | houn | stew: Thanks |
| 16:51.54 | Nigromante | is there a source package _rene_ for broadcom adapters? |
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| 16:51.59 | stew | houn: that will provide ogg123 |
| 16:52.10 | romulo | yeah i wondered that |
| 16:52.16 | romulo | if u know, can u point me out? |
| 16:52.17 | _rene_ | I just said that. |
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| 16:52.41 | romulo | where i can get em |
| 16:52.42 | jebstark | is there any free shells to get now days? I need to check my homesite from the outside |
| 16:52.44 | romulo | and whats the name |
| 16:52.50 | houn | stew: Word, thanks man. I need to find a better way that apt-cache search to find stuff, I always end up with way more results than I can sort through. |
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| 16:52.55 | Nigromante | romulo ---> packages.debian.org & google, I think :) |
| 16:53.02 | `Soran | Guerin that's right, i'm installing apache2 |
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| 16:53.22 | cisse | houn: apt-cache search term | less and then use /searchterm to go through that list |
| 16:53.33 | Guerin | `Soran: i would guess that that package would also work with apache1, since there is no apache1-specific package |
| 16:53.47 | romulo | packages is down |
| 16:53.50 | Guerin | `Soran: it certainly doesn't depend on a specific version of apache |
| 16:53.58 | `Soran | right, thanks Guerin, I'm trying to install Simpleticket, anyone try that ? |
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| 16:54.27 | `Soran | i heard its an awesome ticketing system, ruby on rails |
| 16:54.28 | jebstark | mamma mia! now the vhost isn't found at all...... |
| 16:54.34 | jebstark | sorry, wrong forum. |
| 16:54.35 | Nigromante | which is the adapter model? |
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| 16:54.48 | Guerin | `Soran: never heard of it. |
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| 16:55.22 | romulo | wcmwl5 |
| 16:55.27 | romulo | googling now |
| 16:55.38 | `Soran | its really nice |
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| 16:57.33 | StyXman | I know packages.d.o is down. my question is: any news re: that? |
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| 16:58.01 | HPS`Fresh | it`s not important, actualy |
| 16:58.17 | Guerin | StyXman: planet.debian.net might know |
| 16:58.21 | HPS`Fresh | i`m realy can find any pkgs at ÁÅÚÀ×ÕÉÛÆÔÀÝËÐ |
| 16:58.31 | Nigromante | romulo, search the name of you card, not the name of windows driver |
| 16:58.32 | HPS`Fresh | ftp.debian.org |
| 16:58.37 | samuel | sup all |
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| 16:58.50 | blaamann_home | koffice has released a 1.5 version for Debian sarge here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/koffice-1.5-sarge/ . Does that mean I could download all the packages and install them with dpkg -i *deb ? |
| 16:59.02 | Rawplayer | MI |
| 16:59.35 | romulo | on windows it shows network card broadcom 802.11g and on lspci it shows only broadcom unknown device |
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| 16:59.49 | samuel | i just did an upgrade from xfree to xorg, i have all the packages... including xdebconfigurator, and i use the correct drivers and all (voodoo 5000 with 3dfx drivers) but i cant figure out what the problem is... could you please help? |
| 16:59.57 | franzzz | Hello |
| 16:59.59 | StyXman | Guerin: I found this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/01/msg00035.h |
| 17:00.08 | samuel | startx "sorto" starts, but then crashes |
| 17:00.10 | StyXman | sorry, this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/01/msg00035.html |
| 17:00.34 | romulo | will check manuals |
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| 17:00.48 | cisse | HPS`Fresh: surprised by ? |
| 17:00.59 | stew | StyXman: my understanding is that it would be back after the mirror split takes load off ftp.d.o |
| 17:01.09 | tr1gg3r | samuel, any useful info in xorg log file? |
| 17:01.10 | franzzz | How can I test if a field is empty in an gawk if-clause? |
| 17:01.51 | Nigromante | romulo, have you run iwlist scan ??? |
| 17:01.55 | gypsymauro | tanx azeem |
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| 17:02.52 | StyXman | stew: I see, tx |
| 17:03.10 | HPS`Fresh | cisse by all that things, required to install it. new libc6 and many other |
| 17:03.16 | stew | StyXman: i haven't heard anything about the mirror split in a while however |
| 17:03.41 | HPS`Fresh | tell me some about oracle clusters |
| 17:03.52 | HPS`Fresh | my boss want by one |
| 17:03.59 | romulo | Nigromante,yes no results |
| 17:04.09 | HPS`Fresh | and he want i rule it ^) |
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| 17:05.25 | azedazeaze | who #dhs |
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| 17:05.31 | tr1gg3r | i setup my own apt repos, does anyone know how to setup the signing stuff so i dont get that install pkg without verification warning? or know of good howto on it |
| 17:05.48 | Nigromante | try http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
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| 17:06.51 | StyXman | ok, tx |
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| 17:06.53 | Nigromante | but I think you may have your current module correctly set up |
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| 17:07.20 | Nigromante | perhaps you only have to install wpa supplicant to set password |
| 17:07.30 | fanfoua | is it possible that /dev/hda2 become /dev/hda1 ? |
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| 17:07.53 | _rene_ | ... and people using sid don't need to do that themselves. again. |
| 17:08.05 | _rene_ | and people who do not know which package that is should just use apt-cache search |
| 17:08.11 | _rene_ | would have shown you the packages |
| 17:08.19 | fanfoua | in other words, does someone know how to change the minor of a partition ? |
| 17:08.34 | Nigromante | may be there is not in sid yet, _rene_ |
| 17:08.36 | _rene_ | easiest way - if you use debians kernel image - is apt-get install bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-powerpc ;) |
| 17:08.45 | _rene_ | Nigromante: of course it is. I packaged it. |
| 17:08.52 | Nigromante | :-P |
| 17:09.01 | _rene_ | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/b/bcm43xx/ |
| 17:09.08 | Nigromante | then tell the name of the package!! |
| 17:09.12 | Nigromante | thnx |
| 17:09.29 | _rene_ | Nigromante: but use apt |
| 17:09.52 | Nigromante | perhaps he does not have sid repositories in sources |
| 17:10.07 | petemc | or contrib |
| 17:10.12 | _rene_ | maybe. then these packages are not suitable for them anyway (except the .-source stuff maybe) |
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| 17:10.37 | Nigromante | yes |
| 17:10.43 | romulo | im using a sarge disk |
| 17:10.49 | romulo | just until i set internet |
| 17:10.50 | romulo | and upgrade to sid |
| 17:11.16 | romulo | well, theres no amd64 on this repo |
| 17:11.21 | romulo | so i think i will have to compile it myself |
| 17:11.30 | Nigromante | I compiled the ipw2200 with module tools |
| 17:11.35 | Nigromante | not much difficult |
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| 17:11.47 | Nigromante | all you need is the source package |
| 17:11.54 | romulo | yeah i know |
| 17:11.55 | _rene_ | wrong. |
| 17:12.05 | _rene_ | he firstly needs the ieee802softmac source |
| 17:12.16 | _rene_ | build that. install the modules and the headers |
| 17:12.25 | _rene_ | *then* build bcm43xx-source |
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| 17:12.36 | DevilChaos | hi folks i keep getting flaged with this from rk hunter i know the udev bits are a faulse possitive but should i be doing something bout the line undernieth? |
| 17:12.43 | DevilChaos | Found warnings: |
| 17:12.43 | DevilChaos | [16:53:18] WARNING, found: /dev/.udevdb (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.static (directory) |
| 17:12.43 | DevilChaos | [16:53:19] Warning: root login possible. Change for your safety the 'PermitRootLogin' |
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| 17:13.13 | romulo | http://www.gateway.com/home/products/ret/ret_mx7525.shtml |
| 17:13.15 | romulo | thats my machine |
| 17:13.19 | Nigromante | is it different from the ieee802etc... module in the kernel? |
| 17:13.25 | romulo | but gateway dont inform the spec of the card |
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| 17:14.10 | romulo | oh yes, this sounds like my driver |
| 17:14.11 | romulo | =) |
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| 17:14.54 | Nigromante | Ok. May be by the end of the day u can have ur card working :-/ |
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| 17:15.37 | HPS`Fresh | i have compile 2.6.15.2 just yeasrsturday evning |
| 17:15.50 | romulo | yeah |
| 17:16.00 | romulo | im working on that since yesterday |
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| 17:16.21 | HPS`Fresh | it was another one time i have enjoy make-kpkg |
| 17:16.33 | HPS`Fresh | so good.... so cooool.... |
| 17:16.44 | HPS`Fresh | i love deb too much |
| 17:16.50 | Nigromante | join #bcm-dev |
| 17:16.52 | romulo | me too |
| 17:16.54 | romulo | HPS`Fresh, |
| 17:16.55 | HPS`Fresh | it`s more than just linux :) |
| 17:17.00 | Nigromante | it appears in http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
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| 17:18.44 | romulo | ah nice |
| 17:18.46 | romulo | will patch it |
| 17:18.47 | romulo | =) |
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| 17:19.42 | HPS`Fresh | tell me guys. which jabber server is more... hm... good :) which one is beter i mean |
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| 17:20.03 | lullis | Hi... |
| 17:20.11 | HPS`Fresh | what are you think about jive (aka wildfire) |
| 17:20.14 | jack123 | hi evrybody |
| 17:20.18 | Estes2 | Do anyone know about a simple way to get the current bandwidth on an interface ? |
| 17:20.22 | jack123 | im jack 4m sydney |
| 17:20.38 | HPS`Fresh | Estes2 yes |
| 17:20.47 | HPS`Fresh | just whait a minute |
| 17:20.48 | lullis | I just installed Debian on my machine, for the first time... but I got something wrong with emacs. |
| 17:20.56 | Estes2 | HPS`Fresh, thanks :) |
| 17:20.58 | HPS`Fresh | i`ll try to find prog |
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| 17:21.30 | HPS`Fresh | this one will show all connections and bandwitch per each of thev |
| 17:21.56 | orchid | lullis: whats wrong? |
| 17:22.03 | lullis | I think that some font package is needed. When I fire up emacs, no text shows... |
| 17:22.17 | lullis | I installed intl-fonts |
| 17:22.25 | lullis | and xbitmap-mule-fonts |
| 17:22.29 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: iftop might be of interest, don't know if it's what you're looking for or not though. |
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| 17:22.59 | HPS`Fresh | Estes2 tcptrack i think |
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| 17:23.13 | Estes2 | HPS`Fresh, will look, thanks :) |
| 17:23.24 | lullis | emacs-nox and XEmacs worked allright |
| 17:23.36 | thingfish | Estes2: look at iftop too. |
| 17:23.50 | Estes2 | ok thingfish , i will :) thanks |
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| 17:24.04 | jack123 | all r busy |
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| 17:24.21 | HPS`Fresh | Estes2 iftop is preaty too |
| 17:24.44 | loxley | !ask |
| 17:24.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:25.12 | orchid | lullis: maybe try in #emacs |
| 17:25.34 | lullis | I am |
| 17:25.35 | jack123 | how can i register |
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| 17:25.38 | HPS`Fresh | yeah!!! realy good thinks iftop and tcptrack |
| 17:26.04 | ronin | jack123: register what? |
| 17:26.05 | thingfish | jack123: /msg chanserv help register |
| 17:26.15 | jack123 | means |
| 17:26.17 | thingfish | if you're talking about your nick. |
| 17:26.22 | jack123 | yap |
| 17:26.30 | jack123 | it is free |
| 17:26.31 | Deepa | jack of all trades |
| 17:26.36 | jack123 | or giving money |
| 17:26.39 | thingfish | yes of course it's free. |
| 17:26.58 | jack123 | can you u give the idea about that |
| 17:27.12 | jack123 | i don't know how to register |
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| 17:27.16 | thingfish | just type, in your chat client, /msg chanserv help register |
| 17:27.31 | ronin | jack123: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:27.47 | Estes2 | thingfish, HPS`Fresh yes, two good tools, thanks guys :) |
| 17:27.50 | Deepa | its /msg nickserv help register |
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| 17:28.19 | thingfish | Deepa: it's also /msg chanserv help register. |
| 17:28.37 | thingfish | oh wait, duh |
| 17:28.40 | thingfish | god |
| 17:28.50 | thingfish | never mind :) |
| 17:28.50 | ronin | heh only for hcannels |
| 17:28.57 | thingfish | I know, man. |
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| 17:29.01 | thingfish | sheesh |
| 17:29.08 | jack123 | huh |
| 17:29.18 | jack123 | where are i enter this line |
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| 17:29.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:29.27 | ronin | jack123: where ever you can type |
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| 17:29.39 | oritemis | Hi, I believe I did a greate confusion with configuration. There are a way to revert installation to default configuration, without reinstall everything? Thank's for help. |
| 17:29.46 | HPS`Fresh | Estes2 well :) i have send to the earth to help people, actualy :) |
| 17:29.54 | HPS`Fresh | i was i mean |
| 17:30.10 | jack123 | only this line ( /msg nickserv help ) |
| 17:30.14 | jack123 | only this or |
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| 17:30.53 | ronin | jack123: /msg nickserv help (gives you all the commands) /msg nickserv help register (for registering nick specific) |
| 17:30.55 | smartbhai | hi people im trying to setup my broadband connection .. i want to connect to a adsl modem thru usb .. i managed to do the driver stuff and got the ethernet usb device as eth1.. but i cant communicate with the modem plz help |
| 17:31.20 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai that is the problem? |
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| 17:32.22 | jack123 | i register |
| 17:32.24 | jack123 | hey |
| 17:32.31 | lullis | orchid: It seems something may be wrong with defoma... |
| 17:32.37 | jack123 | how can i give individual replying |
| 17:32.53 | jack123 | it give that spy msgs |
| 17:33.02 | jack123 | help me |
| 17:33.06 | ronin | jack123: you may want to go to #freenode for this, its not exactly a debian problem is it |
| 17:33.18 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : i cant ping the modem .. its working fine with an ethernet card .. |
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| 17:33.59 | qalim | smartbhai, why don't you use it with a nethernet cable ? |
| 17:34.03 | jack123 | #freenode |
| 17:34.09 | qalim | the connection is much stable |
| 17:34.15 | lullis | That is what I got when starting emacs : Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct |
| 17:34.15 | Azar | :) |
| 17:34.16 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai well... maybe you shoudn`t ping them? |
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| 17:34.19 | qalim | this is indenpendant of the OS |
| 17:34.27 | Azar | jack123: type /join #freenode |
| 17:34.38 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai what does it tel? |
| 17:34.38 | orchid | lullis: ive usually answered "yes" when asked to let defoma handle the fonts, did you say "no" to that maybe? |
| 17:34.54 | paveq | how do I enable utf-8? |
| 17:34.56 | oritemis | Sorry by repeat me but, I believe I did a greate confusion with configuration. There are a way to revert installation to default configuration, without reinstall everything? Thank's for help. |
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| 17:35.09 | thingfish | paveq: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:35.20 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : it cant ping at all .. when i try to assign ip address using the dhcp the modem wont answer at all .. the usb doesnt seem to communicate with the modem |
| 17:35.21 | paveq | and where I should change console font if necessary? |
| 17:35.27 | Azar | oritemis: it might be a way, I never tried , I allways reinstall and do the right thing the second time |
| 17:35.35 | lullis | I believe I accepted the default |
| 17:35.44 | paveq | thingfish: uhm, I already edited environment manually |
| 17:35.46 | Alam_Debian | anyway to check if there missing(deleted) files installed from debian packages? |
| 17:35.55 | paveq | thingfish: LC_ALL is fi_FI.utf-8 |
| 17:35.56 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai what does it tel? is there any indicators? |
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| 17:36.20 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : its says nothing except transmit timed out |
| 17:36.33 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : its says eth1:transmit timed out |
| 17:36.48 | oritemis | Azar: Hi! Well, since I did the installation by ftp, I would not like to download everything again, but use the cache. |
| 17:36.53 | jack123 | it gives this ( 11:04Started talking in freenode on Thursday 02/02/2006 11:04:38 PM |
| 17:36.54 | jack123 | Room topic is: Welcome to the Biggest 'Ol FOSS Network on the Planet, Y'all. d^) Happy toast ! Staff social channel. /bin/flame > /dev/yallchill | For freenode help: http://tinyurl.com/9oa5e | Please, no trolling, soapboxing, astroturfing ! | Registered user name policy: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#usernames | Thanks, Marc! http://tinyurl.com/aux5c |
| 17:36.54 | jack123 | Room moderation is on |
| 17:36.54 | jack123 | -> Simon-_ has joined freenode |
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| 17:37.12 | jack123 | now what can i do |
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| 17:37.39 | jack123 | it gives the same problem |
| 17:37.42 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai well... try make connection by your hand |
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| 17:37.56 | Azar | Feb 2 09:37:09 egeon sshd[8660]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 226.7 |
| 17:37.56 | Azar | 0-84-208.reverse.theplanet.com failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 17:38.00 | valdyn | jack123: this is offtopic here |
| 17:38.01 | oritemis | Azar: What is the way? |
| 17:38.10 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai config your eth1, to get ip from the same net, as modem |
| 17:38.14 | Azar | coward he ran |
| 17:38.21 | HPS`Fresh | make it your gateway |
| 17:38.25 | jack123 | huh |
| 17:38.28 | Azar | oritemis: my way: reinstall |
| 17:38.32 | HPS`Fresh | check route -n |
| 17:38.42 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : yeah alll that is done but it wont work.. |
| 17:38.52 | valdyn | Alam_Debian: debsums |
| 17:38.56 | HPS`Fresh | maybe it block icmp |
| 17:39.10 | sussi | t |
| 17:39.16 | lullis | orchid: Do you know anything about defoma, and how it works |
| 17:39.16 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : what should route -n tell.. |
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| 17:39.25 | oritemis | Azar: Reinstall mean to repartioning, format e reinstall from zero? Or there are a way to use the downloaded cache? |
| 17:39.25 | HPS`Fresh | try tcptraceroute |
| 17:40.09 | Azar | oritemis, my way like I said is : reinstall from 0 up . But that's only what I do because I am a newbie |
| 17:40.33 | thingfish | oritemis: you can copy off all the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 17:40.47 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : i dont have tcptraceroute where can i get that |
| 17:40.48 | Azar | wtf wtf |
| 17:40.49 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai, well, if your modem ip is 192.168.0.1, and eth1==192.168.0.2, then the last string must looks like 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 17:41.13 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai by the way, show me your ifconfig |
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| 17:41.36 | oritemis | thingfish: If I just burn a CD with I can do the installation by CD rom? |
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| 17:42.11 | valdyn | oritemis: is your internet link really _that_ bad? |
| 17:42.12 | thingfish | oritemis: sorry, I didn't quite understand your last question. |
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| 17:42.22 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : hold on ill paste my ifconfig and route -n in pastebin.com |
| 17:42.57 | gypsymauro | what's the name of a package that remmember the dependencies when you install a package so you can remove them when you don' need that package anymore? |
| 17:42.59 | oritemis | thingfish: If I just burn a CD with the debs in apt/archives, I will can do the installation by CD rom? |
| 17:43.13 | valdyn | oritemis: why dont you also just fix your misconfiguration instead of reinstalling? |
| 17:43.29 | oritemis | valdyn: Well, 12hours to download the 700Mb. |
| 17:43.46 | oritemis | valdyn: I am trying, trying, but... |
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| 17:44.24 | valdyn | oritemis: burn the debs to a cdrom, reinstall, copy the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives/ in your new installation, install packages. |
| 17:44.30 | thingfish | oritemis: if you burn your accumulated .debs to CD, you can reinstall them off the CD after you get Debian back up and running. It is easier, however, to copy them off the CD back to their original location, so apt-get etc. knows where to find them. |
| 17:44.52 | strider | oritemis: you could use dpkg-scanpackages as well |
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| 17:45.19 | valdyn | oritemis: _still_ you should better _fix_ your current system, reinstalling for "configuration" issues is just silly. |
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| 17:46.00 | Azar | valdyn: oritemis seems not know how, where, and what to fix |
| 17:46.16 | valdyn | Azar: nor what's broken ) |
| 17:46.34 | thingfish | yeah, have we even heard yet what's wrong? |
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| 17:46.42 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 17:46.51 | Azar | :) yes, and frankly, myself I would not know/remember what went wrong, that why I allways start over with more care not to do other mistakes |
| 17:47.23 | oritemis | valdyn: Thank's! I think the same, I am installing Debian for learning porpouse. But I belive that backports did a confusion here. |
| 17:47.26 | major_payne | humm, just out of curiosity, after doing a apt-get dist-upgrade, why did I have to re install alsa-base and alsa-utils? |
| 17:47.27 | HPS`Fresh | oritemis you can download net-instal cd iso |
| 17:47.31 | thingfish | oritemis: it's amazing how much more help you get when you start giving details: error messages, expected vs. actual behavior, steps you've taken to fix it, etc. |
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| 17:47.54 | paveq | how do I mix up unstable and stable packages, I would like my base system to be stable or testing, but still install something from unstable |
| 17:47.54 | thingfish | ah, backports. |
| 17:47.57 | paveq | like kde 3.5 |
| 17:47.58 | oritemis | Well when I run aptitude every time he wants me to bring different thins. |
| 17:48.02 | valdyn | oritemis: you can purge all packages coming from there and just remove your backports sources and just install real debian packages |
| 17:48.03 | Optic | how does the order of init.d scripts work? |
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| 17:48.11 | Azar | oritemis: we are back at the same issue from yesterday: do not jump on backports unless you learn Debian... sit with Sarge for a while, read read and read |
| 17:48.14 | thingfish | I've only just started using backports.org, and very sparingly. |
| 17:48.21 | paveq | last time unstable broke my lvm :( |
| 17:48.42 | Optic | i need to make sure pc card services get set up before shorewall |
| 17:48.45 | valdyn | oritemis: but if you want help from us, tell us specifics, then someone will probably be able to help you |
| 17:48.46 | starfishy | paveq: if you have to ask about unstable, don't use it |
| 17:48.56 | Azar | oritemis: basic study: apt primer, vim, and kernel upgrade. |
| 17:48.57 | paveq | starfishy: I want kde 3.5 |
| 17:48.58 | starfishy | there are backports of some unstable packages |
| 17:49.10 | paveq | starfishy: I don't mind if my desktop env brokes |
| 17:49.11 | starfishy | you can use the one from alioth |
| 17:49.18 | starfishy | 3.5 is not in unstable yet |
| 17:49.25 | strider | it is |
| 17:49.26 | vin` | starfishy: says you |
| 17:49.26 | paveq | uhm? |
| 17:49.29 | starfishy | it is now? |
| 17:49.34 | starfishy | didnt even notice that |
| 17:49.41 | strider | been a while already :) |
| 17:49.45 | Optic | nobody? :) |
| 17:49.45 | starfishy | wow |
| 17:49.50 | paveq | what are backports exactly? |
| 17:49.50 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : http://pastebin.com/535597 check here please for output for route -n & ifconfig |
| 17:50.08 | starfishy | never checked, i always assumed it was still coming from alioth :) |
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| 17:50.09 | Optic | oh, ush |
| 17:50.11 | Optic | eek |
| 17:50.16 | Optic | sorry, it's just sysv init |
| 17:50.18 | Optic | brain freeze :) |
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| 17:50.32 | jack123 | ALL R BUSY |
| 17:50.36 | oritemis | valdyn: I removed backports for sources. How can I purge what he installed and install sarge packges? |
| 17:50.39 | starfishy | still, he could probably use the standalone version from alioth to avoid mixing stable and unstable |
| 17:50.45 | dvm | In 'Testing' wish source package i need to rebuild a kernel ? In 'Stable' there was somethings like 'kernel-source'. What must i do ? |
| 17:50.52 | Azar | oritemis and remember : we do not have a "GoBack" button in Debian (kernel upgrades, Debian upgrade>>etch>>sid and so on... ) be careful what you wish |
| 17:50.56 | valdyn | oritemis: do you have any idea at all what you installed from backports.org ? |
| 17:51.03 | oritemis | Azar: Yest, it is the same problem, I still trying solve. |
| 17:51.18 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai hm.... hothing strange there.... as far as i see |
| 17:51.23 | Azar | valdyn: I think he got xorg for sarge ... |
| 17:51.27 | oritemis | valdyn: Huhhh, well... Update, upgrade... |
| 17:51.28 | dhuv | I was wondering if anybody can help me find the file list for a certain package, packages.debian.org is down |
| 17:51.35 | valdyn | oritemis: 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*bpo*' might give you an overview |
| 17:51.41 | dvm | I not find this packages to rebuild a custom kernel. Must i download i without 'apt' and go to the website of the kernel ? |
| 17:51.41 | dhuv | speaking of which, is there an ata on when it will be back up? |
| 17:51.45 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : is the problem at the driver level |
| 17:51.48 | blondie | dhuv: 2008 |
| 17:51.48 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 17:51.48 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 17:51.53 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai, are you using debian? |
| 17:52.04 | dhuv | blondie: thanks :) |
| 17:52.11 | valdyn | oritemis: so 'apt-get remove --purge x11-common', to remove your xorg |
| 17:52.16 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : yeah sarge |
| 17:52.16 | dhuv | blondie: why not anytime before that? |
| 17:52.26 | blondie | dhuv: I may be a bit skeptical |
| 17:52.36 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai apt-get install tcptraceroute |
| 17:52.53 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai will watch on it :) |
| 17:53.15 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai but maybe you will need to recompile your cernel |
| 17:53.15 | valdyn | oritemis: maybe do both things dpkg listed, just to be safe, then install x-window-system-core again |
| 17:53.21 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai but maybe you will need to recompile your kernel |
| 17:53.52 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai, whereis one thing, some about usb-adsl modem driver |
| 17:53.53 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : what extra options should i enable |
| 17:54.00 | valdyn | dvm: which package? |
| 17:54.12 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai no xtra opts |
| 17:54.22 | dvm | valdyn: The kernel source to rebuild a custom kernel in 'testing' |
| 17:54.37 | valdyn | dvm: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 17:54.38 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : how to use traceroute |
| 17:54.43 | dvm | valdyn: There is only the old 2.4 source |
| 17:54.53 | dvm | valdyn: Yes, that i have found |
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| 17:55.07 | dhuv | I am trying to compile php and it complains that xml-config is not available but I have installed the libxml2 package |
| 17:55.08 | OConnor | hi |
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| 17:55.13 | valdyn | dvm: and? whats wrong with it? |
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| 17:55.26 | patric | is there some reason that the base kernel doesn't have acpi enabled? |
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| 17:55.50 | valdyn | dhuv: each debian library package has ist corresponding -dev package to compile things. |
| 17:55.50 | OConnor | anybody success with a cannon ip1600 usb ? |
| 17:55.52 | jack123 | ANYBOSY SAY |
| 17:55.54 | dvm | valdyn: Eeuuhhmm, i not know that it was that to have the source of the kernel ;-) |
| 17:56.08 | jack123 | HOW CAN I HACK THE YAHOO ID |
| 17:56.11 | dhuv | valdyn: so the libxml2-dev should contain the xml-config file |
| 17:56.17 | oritemis | valdyn: Was uneble to lock administration directory /var/lib/dpkg... |
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| 17:56.33 | valdyn | !tell dhuv -about search |
| 17:56.50 | valdyn | oritemis: so you have another aptitude / apt-get / dpkg / whatever running? |
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| 17:58.22 | oritemis | valdyn: Just I am logged, and nothing more is running, but I ran aptitude before. |
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| 17:58.44 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai welll tcptraceroute microsoft.com |
| 17:59.03 | rambo3 | are there any channels on freenode for syslinux |
| 17:59.08 | jack123 | nobody don't give reply |
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| 17:59.22 | SerajewelKS | !ops jack123 trolling |
| 17:59.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: jack123 trolling |
| 17:59.27 | valdyn | oritemis: 'rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock' and try again |
| 17:59.47 | valdyn | oritemis: and dont just crash your package managers ( i doubt it crashed by itself tbh ) |
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| 18:00.22 | Azar | thats j1 guys, the tard |
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| 18:00.46 | oritemis | valdyn: Ok... Thanks.. |
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| 18:01.16 | HPS`Fresh | jack123 helo megahacker |
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| 18:01.25 | HPS`Fresh | jack123 hack`em all |
| 18:01.34 | Azar | HPS`Fresh: stop it |
| 18:01.35 | paveq | how do I tell debian to stop managing kernel? is just removing kernel image fine? |
| 18:01.49 | azeem | jack123: please stay on topic (Debian), or leave this channel |
| 18:01.49 | blondie | yes delete your kernel |
| 18:01.50 | blondie | c.c |
| 18:02.05 | paveq | I used to compile my own |
| 18:02.05 | valdyn | paveq: why do you think debian was managing your kernel? |
| 18:02.15 | paveq | valdyn: dunno |
| 18:02.17 | jack123 | huh |
| 18:02.21 | jack123 | i don't knw |
| 18:02.28 | jack123 | y d all r in so serious |
| 18:02.30 | valdyn | paveq: so just compile your own, debian does not care |
| 18:02.30 | dhuv | I am using sarge, and I installed mysql-server-4.1 but which package contains the header files that I would use to compile php with |
| 18:02.41 | azeem | jack123: please write in english |
| 18:02.46 | HPS`Fresh | Azar ok.ok.. i`m just `ll be silent |
| 18:02.49 | jack123 | oh sorry |
| 18:02.58 | jack123 | i don't know that |
| 18:03.03 | azeem | no problem |
| 18:03.07 | valdyn | dhuv: libmysql15-dev ? |
| 18:03.09 | jack123 | people didn't know the shortcuts |
| 18:03.20 | valdyn | dhuv: did you read what dpkg told you about search? |
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| 18:03.29 | rambo3 | !u |
| 18:03.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:03.37 | dhuv | valdyn: will the 15 work with mysql 4.1? |
| 18:04.03 | jack123 | all r talking about sql java unix |
| 18:04.20 | jack123 | why don't all talk abou any hot topic |
| 18:04.22 | valdyn | dhuv: guess they do if the package dont conflict, |
| 18:04.26 | jack123 | be frank |
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| 18:04.34 | dhuv | valdyn: apt-cache search mysql did not show the libmysql14 |
| 18:04.37 | jack123 | it gives so bore |
| 18:04.45 | dhuv | I had to do apt-cache search libmysql for that |
| 18:04.45 | dhuv | thanks |
| 18:04.55 | HPS`Fresh | paveq run uptitude, find the kernel - f10, packege - hold |
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| 18:05.19 | azeem | jack123: because this is about Debian |
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| 18:05.29 | jack123 | any girls from syndey or australia |
| 18:05.30 | azeem | jack123: so, either stay on topic, or look for another channel for chatting |
| 18:05.38 | azeem | jack123: this is my last warning |
| 18:05.41 | nixie | hmm. latency on core routers between Amsterdam<>London shouldnt give an increase of 400ms, should they? |
| 18:05.52 | paveq | HPS`Fresh: I just removed the kernel |
| 18:05.53 | nixie | amsterdam is 1.5ms, next-hop london is 400. |
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| 18:06.05 | paveq | HPS`Fresh: I don't need debian one |
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| 18:06.08 | valdyn | nixie: how should we know about the backbone of your ISP? |
| 18:06.15 | jack123 | hey you azeem............you repeat same line many times |
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| 18:06.18 | nixie | valid point, but in general valdyn:) |
| 18:06.24 | jack123 | you don't know furthere |
| 18:06.32 | paveq | HPS`Fresh: unless theres 2.6.15 sources in the tree |
| 18:06.34 | jack123 | so sick |
| 18:06.37 | sorpigal | where are ops when you need them? |
| 18:06.43 | Azar | jack123: nobody here wants to talk with you, leave |
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| 18:06.50 | jack123 | i don't care |
| 18:06.52 | thingfish | sorpigal: one is getting ready to act, I assure you. |
| 18:07.04 | jack123 | its all up to me |
| 18:07.08 | jack123 | not you |
| 18:07.20 | paveq | jack123: uhm? |
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| 18:07.30 | HPS`Fresh | paveq sorry, i think we are talking about different things |
| 18:07.31 | jack123 | huh |
| 18:07.53 | HPS`Fresh | paveq tell me what do you want to do ant tell why you can`t |
| 18:08.02 | paveq | HPS`Fresh: ok, as long as removing kernel won't make debian go crazy |
| 18:08.46 | paveq | HPS`Fresh: I want to compile my own kernel |
| 18:08.46 | paveq | preferly latest stable |
| 18:08.55 | HPS`Fresh | you shold compile your kernel and delete /boot/old-kernel |
| 18:09.03 | paveq | maybe I try some ck sources some time... |
| 18:09.07 | valdyn | paveq: debian does things _for_ your, if you want, if you dont, then it does not, you're free to use make-kpkg to make our kernel ( see apt-cache show kernel-package ), but you can do _whatever_ you want. |
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| 18:09.12 | HPS`Fresh | or try to use make-kpkg |
| 18:09.24 | paveq | valdyn: ok |
| 18:09.30 | HPS`Fresh | paveq, very good thing |
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| 18:09.35 | paveq | yep |
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| 18:10.03 | paveq | I thought there might be some babysitting mechanism to prevent me removing kernel |
| 18:10.06 | paveq | or something |
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| 18:10.35 | jack123 | hey |
| 18:10.40 | jack123 | hello buddies |
| 18:10.40 | Azar | paveq: I do not know how grub works but in LILO I can hold kernels by commenting them |
| 18:10.41 | DeeJay^ | Anyone here using courier-webadmin ? I get an error after installing and wanna go to;: courier 0.47 - Configuration error |
| 18:10.41 | DeeJay^ | You're seeing this error message for one of two reasons: |
| 18:10.41 | DeeJay^ | Your web server doesn't fully implement the Common Gateway Interface (CGI), or |
| 18:10.41 | DeeJay^ | You failed to read the instructions in INSTALL for configuring the webadmin module |
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| 18:10.51 | DeeJay^ | Argh |
| 18:10.53 | DeeJay^ | shitty paste |
| 18:10.59 | DeeJay^ | I apologise for that |
| 18:11.05 | HPS`Fresh | Azar grub too :) |
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| 18:11.13 | HPS`Fresh | Azar just "#" |
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| 18:11.50 | DeeJay^ | Anyone here knows why my courier-webadmin gives me an error when i go to http://mydomain.dk/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin - It sais : For security reasons, the default configuration of webadmin prevents access from non-local IP addresses without SSL. See INSTALL for more information |
| 18:11.54 | jack123 | all r got busy |
| 18:11.54 | DeeJay^ | But i have got no INSTALL file |
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| 18:12.29 | SimonRaven | enable ssl. debian doesn't install INSTALL files |
| 18:12.46 | DeeJay^ | Hmm i think its already enabled |
| 18:12.57 | SimonRaven | http: is not https: |
| 18:13.00 | DeeJay^ | k |
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| 18:13.11 | DeeJay^ | Then i get a blank page |
| 18:13.14 | stew | DeeJay^: see if anything is mentioned about it in /usr/share/doc/courier-webadmin/README.Debian |
| 18:13.20 | SimonRaven | you'd know if it was |
| 18:13.20 | DeeJay^ | okay stew, thanks |
| 18:13.33 | SimonRaven | yes, you need to enable it, and make a cert, etc. |
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| 18:13.51 | Optic | wooo, i think it's working! |
| 18:13.55 | DeeJay^ | stew, nothing usefull :/ |
| 18:13.58 | Optic | now i just have to tune the startup and i'm crusin'! |
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| 18:14.03 | DeeJay^ | SimonRaven i did that when installing openssl |
| 18:14.23 | DeeJay^ | oh |
| 18:14.23 | DeeJay^ | i dont have libapache-mod-ssl |
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| 18:14.36 | SimonRaven | server cert, not ca cert |
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| 18:14.48 | Optic | wooo cert |
| 18:14.55 | DeeJay^ | hm |
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| 18:15.21 | DeeJay^ | You lost me there SimonRaven... how do i make a server cert? |
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| 18:16.08 | eeyore- | DeeJay^: you know, the page for libapache-mod-ssl has step-by-step instructions for this sort of thing in the FAQ |
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| 18:17.01 | SimonRaven | and apache2-doc has it too |
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| 18:17.33 | RungeKutta | I just tried installing webmin-firewall under Testing and my package list was too old and I figured there was a new version. I did an update and now all the webmin packages are gone but the ones I have installed. How can I fix that since I'm assuming webmin didn't all get pulled. |
| 18:17.52 | DeeJay^ | when i do https://mydomain.dk - nothing but a blank pagae appears |
| 18:18.01 | SimonRaven | webmin got pulled |
| 18:18.04 | RungeKutta | oh |
| 18:18.07 | RungeKutta | heh |
| 18:18.14 | RungeKutta | was something wrong with it? |
| 18:18.24 | SimonRaven | the ones you have are the only record, as you'll see from apt-cache policy <package> |
| 18:18.35 | RungeKutta | aah ok danke |
| 18:18.38 | SimonRaven | yes, it's a POS that teaches bad admin skills |
| 18:19.01 | FarrisG | I'm having some trouble with the "find" man page... I want to find all files modified since a certain time, say 1:30AM yesterday. Is this possible with find? |
| 18:19.06 | RungeKutta | Uhm, ok... |
| 18:19.08 | stew | RungeKutta: the packages were up for adoption for a long time and nobody cared enough to adopt it |
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| 18:19.43 | DeeJay^ | nevermind, i'll not use courier-webadmin anyway |
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| 18:20.06 | SimonRaven | you *did* ask what was wrong with it :P |
| 18:20.13 | RungeKutta | heh yea I did |
| 18:20.14 | HPS`Fresh | FarrisG yes. you must create some file, mofify it`s time of creation by touch and "find -newer my_file" |
| 18:20.33 | SimonRaven | yeh ok, it's opinion ;) |
| 18:20.50 | hugoboss | I need to setup an enterprise network. I know that there are a lot of linux distributions for that. But which is the best? Debian? |
| 18:21.15 | RungeKutta | There's a lot of simple tasks that can easily be done via webmin and sometimes you don't always have ssh access, but you may have a webbrowser. |
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| 18:21.22 | FarrisG | HPS`Fresh: Oh, thanks. |
| 18:21.36 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss yes, defently |
| 18:22.17 | HPS`Fresh | FarrisG did you anderstand what i say :) |
| 18:22.25 | HPS`Fresh | understand |
| 18:22.27 | RungeKutta | I guess if no one wants to maintain the package, then no one wants to maintain a package. Sucks though. I don't really know where to start with "adopting" it or I'd probably at least give it a shot. |
| 18:22.31 | sorpigal | hugoboss: look where you're asking. Of course Debian is best. |
| 18:22.45 | stew | RungeKutta: /msg dpkg mg |
| 18:22.56 | RungeKutta | Oh well, guess it's off to compiling from source for it now. |
| 18:23.02 | hugoboss | I like Debian (I use it in my laptop) but I've been told that Oracle doesn't support Debian |
| 18:23.03 | RungeKutta | "compiling" since it's perl |
| 18:23.05 | stew | RungeKutta: it would be a tough set of pacakges to start with thoug, they are riddle with security problems |
| 18:23.14 | FarrisG | HPS`Fresh: Perfectly, it's working :) |
| 18:23.29 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss oh it`s support, but ypo will get alot of problems installing it |
| 18:23.41 | RungeKutta | stew: are they? |
| 18:23.49 | HPS`Fresh | FarrisG :) i`m asking becouse my english is not so good |
| 18:24.04 | FarrisG | HPS`Fresh: Reads fine to me |
| 18:24.05 | loxley | hugoboss: the company i work is a small isp, we run bgp routing, nameservers, mailservers, webservers on debian.. so yes! :) |
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| 18:24.25 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: what kind of problems? |
| 18:24.30 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss there is step-by-step instructions installing ora on the red hat linux |
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| 18:25.02 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: and can't we extrapolate to Debian? |
| 18:25.03 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss it`s possible, but, only if you know what pkgs needed by ora |
| 18:25.21 | valdyn | !oracle |
| 18:25.21 | dpkg | i guess oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml |
| 18:25.35 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : i checked tcptracroute http://pastebin.com/535615 |
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| 18:25.52 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss ones upon a time i heve install ora on sarge, it was long way, but it was my first expirience of instaling ora on linux |
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| 18:26.55 | buht-w | which command triggers the sources.list testing setup message? |
| 18:27.00 | buht-w | in here that is :) |
| 18:27.02 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: Let's say that I use Debian to all of the support services of the network. In order to prevent problems will it be better to have a W machine to install Oracle? |
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| 18:27.37 | sanxiyn | Oracle bitch |
| 18:27.37 | buht-w | i gave up on why my winbind wont show users or groups but it will test fine with -t.... so i guess ill try the new winbind in the testing builds |
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| 18:27.50 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai are you type tcptraceroute 192.168.1.20? it`s wrong. makr tcptraceroute kernel.org |
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| 18:28.43 | _sho_ | is there any documentation on how to install debian with a network connection only |
| 18:29.02 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss are you kiddin? win sucks. use red hat for oracle. installing oracle on red hat is described on their web page. it`s simply. |
| 18:29.37 | smartbhai | ok |
| 18:29.45 | sanxiyn | HPS`Fresh: I found installing Oracle never simple, documented or not :( |
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| 18:30.18 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: :-) But I have to pay for Red Hat!!!! |
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| 18:30.31 | HPS`Fresh | sanxiyn realy? well... it`s just IMHO |
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| 18:30.44 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss well use FC |
| 18:31.20 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: So you are saying Debian for all services except for the Oracle database? |
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| 18:31.41 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: ...which should be in a FC? |
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| 18:32.20 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss, you can try to install ora at deb. but if you want do all quike, you shouldn`t use deb for ora |
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| 18:32.23 | patric | centos is redhat for free |
| 18:33.07 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss there was a page discribe which packees you must have instaled, |
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| 18:33.17 | patric | are you getting oracle for free? |
| 18:33.24 | kspath | RPM ~= Really Puzzling Mess OR Really Putrid Mess ? |
| 18:33.27 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss try google://instaling oracle on red hat |
| 18:33.49 | vieirar | Hi I am trying to patch my kernel with fbsplash the command #patch -p0 <file.patch> just hangs |
| 18:34.00 | vieirar | Whagt is the right command? |
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| 18:34.42 | azeem | vieirar: -p0 < <file.patch> |
| 18:34.48 | hcy | could somebody please help me crack this streaming and get me the actual url to the file so I can save it to disk using mplayer? it's a news edition I need to save. Thanks. http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=31&ar=mabat |
| 18:35.00 | HPS`Fresh | vieirar -p0 < patch.file |
| 18:35.07 | vieirar | Thans |
| 18:35.09 | vieirar | Thanks |
| 18:35.25 | HPS`Fresh | vieirar :) try it |
| 18:35.58 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: Ok, thanks. I'll take your hints in account. But is Oracle (for enterprise, not home users) for linux free? |
| 18:36.36 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss yea... you can download it for free, as far as i know |
| 18:36.59 | starfishy | the question is not whether its free to download but whether its free to use in a commercial environment |
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| 18:37.44 | hugoboss | starfishy, is it not? |
| 18:37.58 | HPS`Fresh | starfishy i don`t know actualy, but we have no problems using ora9. |
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| 18:38.33 | HPS`Fresh | starfishy maybe it`s so becouse i`m from russia :) |
| 18:38.46 | mith | this is weird as shit |
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| 18:39.36 | mith | I've got a box routing about 10-25kpkts/s, runs fine, but every 5-10 minutes there's a short period of non-connectivity on the wan side of the box ... |
| 18:39.51 | mith | showing no errors in ifconfig on any of the devices |
| 18:39.54 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : it wont work .. it doesnt work it says bad address.. |
| 18:40.02 | mith | nothing in the logs |
| 18:40.08 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : it wont work .. when i connect with lan its okay |
| 18:40.14 | mith | *appears* to coincide with activity in sys/klog |
| 18:40.33 | mith | what could cause this? |
| 18:40.53 | vieirar | HPS`Fresh, Thanks that worked |
| 18:41.00 | vieirar | azeem, Thanks that worked |
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| 18:41.08 | mith | Does the default debian 2.6 kernel have pre-empt turned on or anything stupid like that? |
| 18:41.14 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: There are a lot of guides to install Ora on debian on google. Should things have changed?:-) |
| 18:41.17 | azeem | mith: check the config |
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| 18:41.33 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai cool... then try tcptraceroute 204.152.191.37 |
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| 18:41.58 | Eulex | hugoboss, http://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=1158751 |
| 18:41.59 | sanxiyn | mith: # CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set. |
| 18:42.01 | Eulex | HPS`Fresh, ^^ |
| 18:42.19 | starfishy | hugoboss, hps`fresh, i was just rephrasing the question, because 'its free to download' doesnt automatically mean 'its free to use' |
| 18:42.23 | HPS`Fresh | hugoboss well,if you have free time - you can try. it will be good expirience i think |
| 18:42.38 | stew | s |
| 18:42.42 | FarrisG | I have a situation where writes that appear to be successful via samba do not show up on the linux filesystem until many minutes later. Is this some kind of sync issue, and what can I do to resolve it? |
| 18:42.42 | HPS`Fresh | Eulex thnx |
| 18:42.49 | hugoboss | HPS`Fresh: Ok. Thanks |
| 18:43.00 | mith | bah, it does appear to be set |
| 18:43.00 | mith | core02:~# grep PREEMPT /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 18:43.01 | mith | CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 18:43.06 | sanxiyn | By the way, I think it may be good idea to have Oralce Instant Client packaged in non-free... |
| 18:43.20 | HPS`Fresh | sanxiyn defently |
| 18:43.43 | hugoboss | starfishy, so, how can Linux administrators use Oracle? |
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| 18:43.49 | sanxiyn | What would be needed? (It was free to distribute when I checked) |
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| 18:44.07 | sanxiyn | After that, cool tools like yasql could be packaged in contrib. |
| 18:44.13 | azeem | mith: what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 18:44.52 | mith | azeem: sarge |
| 18:45.21 | azeem | mith: perhaps they enabled it only for smp kernels |
| 18:45.34 | azeem | mith: it seems current unstable kernels have this disabled |
| 18:45.38 | zulu42 | suppose I want to increase as root the number of file users can open (ulimit -n 8192) where should I set that in order all my users can be allowed to? I thought /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh but the shells of my users dont are children and dont inherit :( |
| 18:46.00 | zulu42 | aren't (sorry) |
| 18:46.17 | Eulex | zulu42, /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 18:46.22 | zulu42 | thx |
| 18:46.25 | zulu42 | :) |
| 18:46.25 | cisse | zulu42: /etc/security/limits.conf or /etc/bashrc |
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| 18:49.01 | smo | hi i have big problems o burn cd on kernel 2.6.15 |
| 18:49.10 | smo | cdrecord won t detect the cdrw |
| 18:50.10 | HPS`Fresh | smo what it says? |
| 18:50.23 | poncha|laptop | guys, i'm trying to setup debian (sarge) in vmware on the lap, and i've run into problem installing vmware tools (it just never gets to state "installed" - ever since i choose "instll vmware tools" i can cancel the install but it never reaches end, that is for days even). does anyone have a clue what vmware tools expects from the "guest" os in order to install that? and what do i need to run on my debian there in order to provide this? :) |
| 18:50.37 | Eulex | oh, when we're on the subject, I've set my regular user to be able to launch at most 500 processes. I know that there should be a way to spawn a lot of processes with bash, but have forgotten what this 'method' or 'attack' is called and can thus not google for it. |
| 18:50.58 | Wanderer | ls |
| 18:51.15 | poncha|laptop | without that i cant copypaste from/to debian inside the vmware and thats annoying :( |
| 18:51.26 | zulu42 | hey, when is the file `/etc/security/limits.conf' parsed? do I need to reboot to take into account changes? |
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| 18:52.05 | Eulex | poncha|laptop, vmware is not part of debian, for problems contact the creators of whatever install tool you're using. |
| 18:52.15 | smo | hps: from command line it sayy it can find /dev/pg* |
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| 18:52.25 | smo | so i created a symlink o my /dev/hdd |
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| 18:52.44 | buht-w | hey guys what do i need to msg dpkg to get the "testing" apt sources.list info |
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| 18:52.58 | azeem | buht-w: just replace "stable" with "testing" |
| 18:52.59 | stew | Eulex: fork bomb |
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| 18:53.06 | Eulex | stew, ah, thank you |
| 18:53.09 | azeem | buht-w: and note that once you go to testing, you cannot go back |
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| 18:53.27 | buht-w | k or sarge with testing |
| 18:53.31 | poncha|laptop | Eulex, i know, sure.. i run vmware itself (in this case) on a win32 even... inside it i have debian sarge as "guest" ... but i thought maybe someone here already seen this and might know whats it all about... (vmware manual ony states that "guest OS must be running at the time you install vmware tools") |
| 18:53.32 | Eulex | gonna test it now, if I ping out that's because of it :) |
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| 18:54.05 | sanxiyn | poncha|laptop: IIRC you got to do some compile inside guest OS. |
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| 18:54.33 | buht-w | azeem, will a dist-upgrade take care if it for me? |
| 18:54.39 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : its the same the usb part of the modem doesnt seem to communicate |
| 18:54.46 | poncha|laptop | sanxiyn, i'd be happy to know what hehe :))) |
| 18:54.48 | azeem | buht-w: yes, mostly |
| 18:54.53 | azeem | buht-w: better use aptitude to upgrade |
| 18:55.04 | zulu42 | hum... ulimit is a bash keyword right? and /etc/security/limits.conf is parsed during shell spawning or ? |
| 18:55.11 | buht-w | ok im new to it and will look into it... |
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| 18:55.15 | Eulex | ah, working well :) |
| 18:55.23 | buht-w | azeem, ever joined debian via samba to an active directory domain? |
| 18:55.42 | zulu42 | I mean hardlimit can only be set by root so does this mean bash..? I don't get it ... |
| 18:55.43 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai man, thereis alot of adsl modems tith rj45 interface... why does you choose usb? :))) |
| 18:55.44 | buht-w | im only updating to testing to see if the new samba will help out with an issue i have |
| 18:55.57 | hcy | anyone know of a video plugin for mozilla or epiphany that will play wmv/asf files and most importantly can dump the stream to a file while it plays it? |
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| 18:56.19 | sorpigal | hcy: mplayer plugin |
| 18:56.30 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : actually i have a rj45 and lan card too but only one i want to connect that to another machine .. so i want to connect thru usb |
| 18:56.31 | hcy | running mplayer with the url from the commandline doesnt' work on this url. it plays in the vlc plugin but not it the vlc from commandline |
| 18:56.33 | zulu42 | hcy mozilla-mplayer |
| 18:56.40 | hcy | sorpigal: mplayer plugin lets you dumpstream? |
| 18:56.41 | buht-w | azeem, use the stable aptitude to upgrade or the testing aptitude to upgrade? |
| 18:56.46 | hcy | zulu42: ^ ? |
| 18:56.54 | sorpigal | hcy: except for the dump part. You'll probably need command line mplayer for that |
| 18:57.10 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai don`t make troubles :) buy another one lan cart |
| 18:57.10 | hcy | sorpigal: heh :) command line mplayer doesn't play the stream at all. |
| 18:57.12 | HPS`Fresh | card |
| 18:57.13 | sanxiyn | zulu42: I believe limits.conf is parsed by PAM. |
| 18:57.20 | sanxiyn | zulu42: pam_limits.so to be specific. |
| 18:57.29 | sanxiyn | So it's per-login. |
| 18:57.35 | zulu42 | ok |
| 18:57.36 | sorpigal | hcy: wah? MPlayer plays everything. Can you link me to the stream, or is it private? |
| 18:57.48 | sanxiyn | zulu42: So logging out and logging in should set the limit, without reboot. |
| 18:57.52 | buht-w | :( |
| 18:57.54 | hcy | sorpigal: no i'll give you the link: |
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| 18:58.08 | zulu42 | sanxiyn, I relogged using ssh it does not change... :( |
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| 18:58.16 | sorpigal | GecKo: I would like to save hundreds on my car insurance. |
| 18:58.19 | sanxiyn | zulu42: Check this line |
| 18:58.21 | hcy | sorpigal: it's just a tv news edition that i really need to save to disk, if you can get me a working url for it (for either mplayer or wget) you'll be my hero |
| 18:58.25 | sanxiyn | /etc/pam.d/login |
| 18:58.26 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : actually i just wanted to try to get this think to work i mean the driver part seems to work the usb recognizes the modem but it doenst communicate |
| 18:58.30 | sanxiyn | session required pam_limits.so |
| 18:58.33 | hcy | sorpigal: http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=31&ar=mabat |
| 18:58.35 | pavelsafar | Ahoj je tu nekdo z cech |
| 18:58.35 | zulu42 | sanxiyn, big mistake it works...thx for support :) |
| 18:58.53 | sanxiyn | zulu42: Have a look at /etc/pam.d/login. It is commented. |
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| 18:59.03 | zulu42 | sure thx |
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| 18:59.16 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai hm... maybe the modem is not working at all? or you realy shoud recompile your kernel |
| 18:59.28 | Eulex | hcy, try using links2 to get the correct url to the movie. no, I'm not kidding. |
| 18:59.40 | hcy | Eulex: ok i can do that, how? |
| 18:59.57 | smo | nothing... then they ssya we must use dev=ata:1,1,0 instead for /dev/hdd by exemple but still not working |
| 19:00.08 | Eulex | hcy, ah, you've already got the url to the movie. sorry. |
| 19:00.31 | hcy | Eulex: well i dunno if it's the right url since it plays in plugins but can't be downloaded or played from the commandline |
| 19:00.33 | Optic | shorewall is working great for me |
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| 19:01.12 | sorpigal | hcy: curious, mplayer does seem to exit with an end of file before the file actually ends |
| 19:01.25 | hcy | sorpigal: see? |
| 19:01.36 | sorpigal | hcy: I am not defeated yet. |
| 19:01.36 | Eulex | hcy, what's the source page? |
| 19:01.53 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : i have put cdcether and usbnet into the kernel is there anything else.. |
| 19:02.16 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai i`m realy don`t know.... |
| 19:02.26 | sorpigal | hcy: try this: mplayer http://s67wm.castup.net/server12/6959170-61.wmv |
| 19:02.38 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai have you read same docs about this? |
| 19:02.42 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : anyway thanks for your time and help :) |
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| 19:03.01 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai be my guest :) |
| 19:03.10 | Eulex | hcy, try looking inside the gm.asp file. it's a playlist. |
| 19:03.13 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : yeah they all the say the same thing.. once the usb device comes up its not problem |
| 19:03.16 | smo | any idear for my crecord problem with kernel 2.6.15? |
| 19:03.20 | hcy | sorpigal: thanks :) |
| 19:03.22 | smo | cdrecord* |
| 19:03.29 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : but for me the device comes up and doesnt communicate.. |
| 19:03.30 | sorpigal | hcy: I got this by: wgeting your original URL, grabbing one of the mms links therein, replacing mms by http and wgeting that URL, grabbing Ref1 from the resultant file. |
| 19:03.46 | hcy | sorpigal: thanks so much |
| 19:04.06 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai ip adresses are not in one sub net. am i right? |
| 19:04.24 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai i mean eth0 and eth1 |
| 19:04.33 | hcy | sorpigal: so, to save it can i wget that? or mplayer -dumpstream? |
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| 19:04.48 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai it can be a problem |
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| 19:05.26 | sorpigal | hcy: try wget first, but you may have to dumpstream |
| 19:05.29 | hcy | sorpigal: looks like wget won't work but dumpstream will. that's great though, thanks. :) |
| 19:05.29 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : yes they are .. like 192.168.1.22 and 192.168.1.20 |
| 19:05.32 | RichiH | having a minimal system with almost nothing installed and no way to install other stuff, any idea how to open a port that is just pointing to /dev/null? |
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| 19:05.48 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai well man// it will never work :) |
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| 19:06.10 | hcy | sorpigal: if it's a playlist, does that mean that it's only part of the whole show and it's supposed to roll over to another file after that one? or should that be the whole thing? |
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| 19:06.17 | smartbhai | HPS`Fresh : ok thanks anyway and bye |
| 19:06.28 | HPS`Fresh | smartbhai 2 interfaces instaled physicly in one PC can`t have one subnet |
| 19:06.40 | HPS`Fresh | hey |
| 19:06.55 | HPS`Fresh | it will neve know the truth |
| 19:07.06 | sorpigal | hcy: not familiar enough with asf to tell you. Probably you'll have to do each of the URLs from the original file seperately, if they're not identical. You can probably throw together a shell script to automate it |
| 19:07.23 | hcy | sorpigal: ok thanks |
| 19:07.24 | HPS`Fresh | somebody! tell smartbhai about his problem when he came |
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| 19:08.05 | thingfis1 | If I want fsck to check my drive at next boot, what do I do? I thought putting .autofsck in / would trigger it. |
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| 19:08.47 | Canadian | Could someone clairify a document for me? |
| 19:08.49 | matehortua | hi everyone |
| 19:09.20 | Canadian | i'm setting up ssl on my apache2 server, and the document refers to a file as it. |
| 19:09.26 | Canadian | but its vague. |
| 19:09.33 | cisse | heh the docs are confusing |
| 19:09.39 | embalado | hi everyone |
| 19:09.49 | Canadian | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/101 |
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| 19:10.22 | cisse | which par canadian |
| 19:10.25 | cisse | part |
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| 19:11.05 | Canadian | "Finally to cause your virtual host to use the SSL setup you should add the following to it:" |
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| 19:11.22 | Canadian | Which file do i edit? |
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| 19:11.46 | cisse | Canadian: well whatever you want, i usually add it to /etc/apache2/site-enable/* |
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| 19:12.01 | concept10 | when I edit /etc/hosts do I have to restart something for the host to be recognized>? |
| 19:12.08 | cisse | concept10: nope |
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| 19:12.33 | Canadian | ok i though it might be /site-avalaible/foo |
| 19:12.46 | epsilon | Canadian: in the vhost file |
| 19:13.01 | rredd4 | what isp can i use for dial up for internet connection that can help me and support linux. I am using sarge |
| 19:13.03 | epsilon | Canadian: but actually it doesn't matter |
| 19:13.05 | concept10 | How do I connect to a mysql db from another box on the network? |
| 19:13.15 | godless | hi, having problem viewing certain media files with xine, everything works fine as the root user but as a normal user xine fails on displaying xvid media, any ideas, wrong permissions, I don't have a clue :) |
| 19:13.26 | epsilon | Canadian: apache2.conf inclusdes the other conf files in subdirs, so in fact it's one huge config file |
| 19:13.45 | Canadian | ah i see. |
| 19:13.47 | cisse | concept10: use the mysql client, it has an arguement to connect to a remote server |
| 19:13.57 | Canadian | so i just have to decide where it makes sens to put it. |
| 19:14.00 | cisse | concept10: you can test the remote server islistening by telnet server portofmysql |
| 19:14.13 | delire | is it just me or is the --format flag of 'time' broken? try a 'time -f "%E real" cp foo.file foo2.file' the example in the manpage doesn't appear to work. |
| 19:14.21 | DarKnesS_WolF | how to retrive the apt-get GPG keys ? i got errors in aptitude |
| 19:14.22 | epsilon | Canadian: only thing you must care is the order, such as load module first, before you use it in another part of conf |
| 19:14.35 | Canadian | that makes sense. |
| 19:14.36 | concept10 | cisee, I did a netstat -ln | grep mysql ... it was listening on port 8474 |
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| 19:15.05 | txetemar | spanish |
| 19:15.16 | epsilon | Canadian: I recommend the vhost documentation on apache.org, it's very helpful |
| 19:15.41 | txetemar | spanish channel please |
| 19:15.41 | concept10 | And i'm using the MySQL query browser or mysql administrator gui tools, it tells me that it cant find hostname 'debian' |
| 19:15.49 | delire | txetemar: #debian-es |
| 19:16.00 | txetemar | thanks |
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| 19:16.18 | txetemar | #debian-es |
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| 19:16.51 | rredd4 | does any one use dial up? who is your isp/ |
| 19:16.53 | rredd4 | ? |
| 19:17.06 | rredd4 | i want to change |
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| 19:17.33 | embalado | im in a very big problem, i formatted a fat32 partition an the installed WinME but i need to recover some info on that partition.... is there a way to do it??? |
| 19:17.44 | DeeJay^ | Can someone help me build a simple IPTables firewall ? |
| 19:17.45 | epsilon | rredd4: ISP in which country you talking about? |
| 19:17.54 | dondelelcaro | embalado: not trivially, no. |
| 19:17.55 | rredd4 | usa |
| 19:18.07 | smo | damn cdrecord i d know what to do ..... won t detect the cdrw i tried with ev=/dev/hdd or dev=ata:1,1,0 and it freeze |
| 19:18.11 | embalado | no trivially???? |
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| 19:18.34 | cisse | embalado: boot knoppix, mount the parition and read |
| 19:18.37 | epsilon | rredd4: then ask your local ISP |
| 19:18.54 | delire | cisse: he's formatted the disk. |
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| 19:19.11 | cisse | ah oops, hire someone if it's that important =D |
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| 19:19.27 | dondelelcaro | embalado: no. You've (apparently) overwritten the filesystem structure, so you won't be able to easily recover any information. If you know exactly where on the disk the files were located, you may be able to get pieces of them, but that's a bit beyond our mission here. |
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| 19:19.49 | jb_ | allo |
| 19:20.04 | epsilon | DeeJay^: iptables -A INPUT -j reject |
| 19:20.12 | suthink | anyone know if it's possible to install Windoze to an external USB? I wanna have just Linux on my main HD |
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| 19:20.50 | DeeJay^ | Hmm |
| 19:20.51 | stew | suthink: questions about windows are off-topic here |
| 19:20.55 | jb_ | pjk |
| 19:21.02 | DeeJay^ | another question, will this scan my whole box: clamscan /* |
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| 19:21.20 | suthink | stew: would Debian still be able to boot to it if it was on an external USB? |
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| 19:22.12 | stew | suthink: is your question, can debian be booted if it exists on an external usb drive? |
| 19:22.15 | epsilon | suthink: should be possible if the box can boot from usbb |
| 19:22.55 | suthink | stew: I'm wondering both, really, but I wouldn't want to annoy with the off-topicness |
| 19:23.09 | suthink | epsilon: cool, I think it can yes. |
| 19:23.16 | stew | suthink: the answer to that question is, yes, if your bios supports it |
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| 19:25.04 | jb_ | allo |
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| 19:25.12 | jb_ | gwen? |
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| 19:25.30 | azeem | jb_: ? |
| 19:25.39 | iciclebox | test |
| 19:25.42 | jb_ | ta vu message |
| 19:25.44 | epsilon | jb_: you may don't like it, but speak english here |
| 19:25.48 | suthink | stew, epsilon: I thank you =) |
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| 19:25.59 | jb_ | yes |
| 19:26.01 | iciclebox | how is it that I could not post to #debian when using irssi? |
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| 19:26.14 | jb_ | its possible taht i failed to reached my mates |
| 19:26.19 | epsilon | iciclebox: you were root? |
| 19:26.28 | iciclebox | ah, most probably |
| 19:26.38 | stew | 13:07 -!- root____4 [n=root@cm107.omega66.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #debian |
| 19:26.55 | iciclebox | yup, that was me |
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| 19:29.07 | iciclebox | ok, somehow I screwed up my MBR |
| 19:29.30 | iciclebox | when using the Debian CD to boot into my root fs, I get VFS Unable to mount root fs on 03:43 |
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| 19:29.59 | iciclebox | any ideas how should I proceed from here? |
| 19:30.13 | pipeline | iciclebox: Sounds like you screwed up a lot more than your mbr. |
| 19:30.32 | pipeline | iciclebox: What, exactly, did you do? |
| 19:30.57 | iciclebox | install-mbr /dev/hdb -T /dev/hda |
| 19:31.07 | iciclebox | hdb's is where debian is |
| 19:31.39 | iciclebox | essentially when I booted from hdb, the MBR was filling the screen with 010101s |
| 19:31.44 | iciclebox | so I tried to fix it with install-mbr |
| 19:31.48 | iciclebox | and :( |
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| 19:32.58 | iciclebox | I don't really care if I reformat hdb |
| 19:33.03 | iciclebox | but I'm hoping for a less brutal way out |
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| 19:35.55 | Azar | reinstalling is not brutal, is just a good way to start over clean and do it right |
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| 19:36.54 | theD3viL | is debian unstable couse it has new packages, or it is realy unstable? |
| 19:36.57 | iciclebox | all right.. here I go again |
| 19:37.03 | mathieu_ | i'd like to be able to press a button in X which would be a hotkey to the date so that i can datestamp my notes in any application at the touch of a button |
| 19:37.06 | mathieu_ | any tips ? |
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| 19:38.12 | r121 | mathieu_: if you right click the clock (in kde anyway) you can copy the date to the clipboard |
| 19:38.13 | Azar | mathieu_: most aplications are not part of Debian system or X so I do not see how |
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| 19:40.13 | ingvildr | i am on an up to date sid system using kde and for some reason my usb drive isn't getting mounted, i have udev/hal/dbus/pmount and cd's mount just fine is anyone else having this problem? |
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| 19:40.40 | pipeline | ingvildr: Install gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:40.48 | pipeline | ingvildr: Despite the name, it's useful with KDE :P |
| 19:41.04 | Romik | Hello, I'm try intall Debian and got a faild. so, what I do: I got a DVD (only one) with Debian (Sarge), but I have cd-rom only (no DVD-ROM, no Floppy). I copy a DVD (files and directories) to a w2k server, up a IIS F T P, and Apache2 h t t p. Downloaded a mini.iso and boot with them. try to install, and got a error (dir not found, after detected a Release his try to get a /debian/dists/stable/Re |
| 19:41.04 | Romik | lease 550). what must I do? |
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| 19:41.23 | theD3viL | Is debian unstable realy unstable, or just name couse the new packages ? |
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| 19:42.52 | ingvildr | i looked at dmesg and it give me SCSI device sde: 246272 512-byte hdwr sectors (126 MB), why is it calling it scsi??? i'm a boring ide guy |
| 19:42.59 | starfishy | thed3vil: it is not unstable per se, but it requires more admin skills and knowledge |
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| 19:43.32 | theD3viL | starfishy: hm...why then the name unstable? |
| 19:43.34 | starfishy | thed3vil: not recommended for beginners/users |
| 19:43.53 | starfishy | because parts of it may be unstable at times |
| 19:44.10 | starfishy | and because debian doesnt want to have inexperienced users use it and afterwards complain |
| 19:44.12 | theD3viL | starfishy: iam not newbie...i just using bsd now..so i dont know. |
| 19:44.19 | theD3viL | aha |
| 19:44.27 | starfishy | i have been running unstable for years |
| 19:44.34 | starfishy | works for me, at least most of the time |
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| 19:44.47 | starfishy | but then i am not a newbie by a long shot |
| 19:45.40 | bartos | hello, is there any way to compile php5 --with-patrameter using dpkg-buildpackages ? |
| 19:45.41 | theD3viL | starfishy: hm..still using unstable or what ? :P |
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| 19:47.37 | Romik | how can help me with installation? |
| 19:47.56 | Romik | * who |
| 19:48.03 | abrotman | ask |
| 19:48.29 | Romik | I try install a Debian via local network |
| 19:48.47 | kspath | That is a statement. That is not a question. |
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| 19:50.14 | Romik | ok, a got error, can I show a log? |
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| 19:50.50 | kspath | !paste |
| 19:50.50 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 19:51.03 | theD3viL | starfishy: do i must dist-upgrade after installing everything, or what? When/ |
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| 19:51.52 | stew | !paste =~ s# or try "/msg paster help".## |
| 19:51.52 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:52.27 | stew | (paster doens't give any help anyway) |
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| 19:52.59 | zulu42 | do you know an utility to low level check an harddrive? |
| 19:53.42 | azeem | smartmontools |
| 19:53.42 | stew | zulu42: badblocks |
| 19:54.31 | zulu42 | badblocks? apt-cache search badblocks dont give any result :( |
| 19:54.52 | omry | recently, several application started to crash with the error "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop)", for example, eclipse and beagle, can anyone help me figure this out? |
| 19:55.05 | azeem | omry: glibc now does those checks |
| 19:55.14 | azeem | omry: somebody should fix those applications you are using |
| 19:55.23 | omry | azeem, is that something new? |
| 19:55.31 | azeem | it's post-sarge |
| 19:55.45 | zulu42 | azeem, for S.M.A.R.T device? how do I know if my drive use this techno? |
| 19:55.46 | azeem | probably got introduced with the switch to 2.3.5 |
| 19:55.56 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 19:55.59 | azeem | zulu42: I don't know, you could just try |
| 19:56.12 | cisse | zulu42: should tell you in the bios, most drives within the past 5 years use it |
| 19:56.14 | omry | azeem, I have been using eclipse for over a year on linux, and only recently this started to happen (using etch). |
| 19:56.23 | oritemis | Hi people! |
| 19:56.29 | GutterPunk | I wanna try and install debian. But I can't get networking working... I use a VIA Rhine II card and it's not yet supported |
| 19:56.35 | GutterPunk | Any solutions? |
| 19:56.37 | azeem | omry: did you upgrade to testing recently? |
| 19:56.45 | oritemis | For everyone who help me. I mus say thank you. Worked. |
| 19:56.50 | GutterPunk | I tried kernel26 but it hangs for some reason |
| 19:56.56 | abrotman | GutterPunk: that card should be long supported |
| 19:57.01 | azeem | GutterPunk: where does it hang? |
| 19:57.09 | omry | azeem, no. I was on sarge when it was testing, and when it became stable I moved to etch. |
| 19:57.10 | oritemis | I purged everything that como from backparts and reinstalled from sarge. |
| 19:57.13 | oritemis | Thanks! |
| 19:57.18 | GutterPunk | azeem: at the detection of the cdrom |
| 19:57.20 | azeem | GutterPunk: you could just install and then try to get a better kernel which works with your card |
| 19:57.24 | GutterPunk | abrotman: not the old rhine |
| 19:57.40 | GutterPunk | azeem: well yeah, but I need an internet connection for that right... |
| 19:57.42 | azeem | omry: so you've been running testing much longer than those errors appeared? |
| 19:57.48 | abrotman | i understand that .. but via rhine II is a few years old IIRC |
| 19:57.50 | azeem | GutterPunk: don't you have a CD? |
| 19:58.06 | cusco | stew: what does paster does? |
| 19:58.06 | omry | azeem, yes. |
| 19:58.07 | oritemis | Azar: Thank's a lot. |
| 19:58.11 | GutterPunk | abrotman: yep, but unsupported. It's not in the 2.4 kernel if i'm not mistaking |
| 19:58.26 | GutterPunk | azeem: sure I do |
| 19:58.27 | azeem | omry: I'd say check the bug tracking system then and file a bug with the error message |
| 19:58.33 | abrotman | right .. but it's been in 2.6 for a long time . where does the Netinst lock up for you? |
| 19:58.40 | azeem | omry: eh, is eclipse in Debian? |
| 19:58.43 | omry | azeem, agains what? |
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| 19:58.54 | azeem | GutterPunk: so install from that |
| 19:59.14 | omry | azeem, no, both eclipse and beagle was not installed via debian package. |
| 19:59.20 | azeem | omry: hrm |
| 19:59.28 | omry | azeem, in fact, this might be a link between them.. |
| 19:59.29 | GutterPunk | abrotman: it hangs a bit when it loads idedisk or something, and then it tries to get packages from the cd, and it hangs at 6% |
| 19:59.29 | azeem | omry: you could google how to switch off those glibc checks |
| 19:59.43 | abrotman | GutterPunk: how old is this computer ? |
| 19:59.52 | Romik | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1733 |
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| 20:00.01 | GutterPunk | abrotman: few years, still pretty current |
| 20:00.14 | GutterPunk | about 3 actually :) |
| 20:00.26 | abrotman | you could try the sarge installer with a newer kernel |
| 20:00.36 | NOthsouth | Hello, there is a easy way to use another computers as apt repository ? |
| 20:01.05 | GutterPunk | abrotman: isn't that the 3.1r1 release? |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | it uses a 2.6.8 .. there are unofficial ones with newer kernels |
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| 20:01.39 | NOthsouth | i mean, I want to install debian, but i don` want to download everything again, my computer already had debian, i want to install via apt in another computer using my cmoputer as repository |
| 20:01.44 | GutterPunk | abrotman: oh hm I might try one of those yes... thanks! |
| 20:02.03 | omry | azeem, I`ll look for something. you know its possible to disable these checks? |
| 20:02.18 | stew | NOthsouth: look at apt-proxy apt-move apt-zip |
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| 20:02.35 | `Soran | can i get away with installing debian with the first CD only ? |
| 20:02.39 | `Soran | and then apt-get the rest |
| 20:02.52 | Romik | see a tomorrow, I left to trayn |
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| 20:03.00 | blondie | `Soran: yes |
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| 20:03.03 | theD3viL | hi, me again |
| 20:03.06 | `Soran | there's like 12 iso's |
| 20:03.08 | Agentj87 | hi |
| 20:03.09 | `Soran | what are all those for |
| 20:03.23 | Agentj87 | is there a way to recover a folder that was deleted on Debian |
| 20:03.24 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 20:03.24 | blondie | `Soran: you should be able to just do with the netinst CD, which is just a few hundred MB |
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| 20:03.43 | blondie | `Soran: they have *everything* ;) |
| 20:03.52 | theD3viL | when i have to dist-upgrade to sid? After installing all the packages or when netinstall (base) over - change the sources.list and dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:03.58 | bibe | NOthsouth : backup /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb , then install the base system, e.g. with the netinstall cd, and restore the .debs before installing other packages |
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| 20:04.37 | Agentj87 | hmm |
| 20:04.59 | Agentj87 | any1 |
| 20:05.14 | theD3viL | Agentj87, no |
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| 20:05.21 | Agentj87 | no way to recver |
| 20:05.22 | theD3viL | not win |
| 20:05.22 | `Soran | seems like it |
| 20:05.36 | theD3viL | when i have to dist-upgrade to sid? After installing all the packages or when netinstall (base) over - change the sources.list and dist-upgrade ?.. anyone = |
| 20:05.44 | blondie | Agentj87: depends on the FS (you can't with ext3) |
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| 20:05.46 | Agentj87 | i thought if u didnt write over the memory tree r sumthin its possible |
| 20:05.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:05.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:05.52 | Eulex | `Soran, there's nothing like a full install with debian. you do just install what you need. |
| 20:06.17 | Eulex | Agentj87, possible, but very hard. |
| 20:06.21 | blondie | Agentj87: not if it's ext3 - it zeroes stuff |
| 20:06.30 | blondie | "recover from backup" |
| 20:06.31 | Canadian | should i have two files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ? one for the default host and one for another virtual host |
| 20:06.39 | Agentj87 | how do i know if its ext3? |
| 20:07.07 | stew | Agentj87: type "mount" it will list type |
| 20:07.10 | NOthsouth | Does grub work on XFS partittion? |
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| 20:07.45 | blondie | Agentj87: cd to the directory it was in, and then do "df -T ." |
| 20:07.50 | blondie | it will say the fs type |
| 20:07.53 | Eulex | Agentj87, http://linux.sys-con.com/read/117909.htm |
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| 20:08.31 | Agentj87 | says its ext2 |
| 20:08.40 | draconi | hi, I use etch, and have only one repository in my sources.list: "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" |
| 20:08.50 | draconi | but libwxbase2.6 seems to be missing |
| 20:08.56 | `Soran | blondie: even the DVD is 2 discs |
| 20:09.16 | blondie | `Soran: just download the netinst image |
| 20:09.18 | Eulex | Agentj87, then it's possible to recover it. |
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| 20:09.26 | theD3viL | draconi, for amule? |
| 20:09.35 | draconi | theD3viL: for programming |
| 20:09.46 | theD3viL | draconi, oh..dont know then =/ |
| 20:09.48 | draconi | theD3viL: I need the wx-config script |
| 20:10.02 | `Soran | i'm getting CD1, its only 600megs |
| 20:10.08 | `Soran | thanks blondie |
| 20:10.08 | Agentj87 | «blondie» it says ext2 and ext3 in sum places |
| 20:10.17 | Eulex | draconi, there's no such package in debian. |
| 20:10.24 | theD3viL | draconi, maybe you know, when i must upgrade to sid or etch...when base system is installed, or when everything is installed ? |
| 20:10.25 | Azar | is there a channel here for openoffice questions? |
| 20:10.46 | Agentj87 | dev/hda1 ext2 |
| 20:10.46 | draconi | theD3viL: base system should be enough |
| 20:10.51 | draconi | theD3viL: as long as every package is up to date |
| 20:10.57 | Agentj87 | dev/hda3 ext3 |
| 20:11.02 | draconi | Eulex: how can I get wx-config then? |
| 20:11.10 | Eulex | draconi, it's probably in another package. use apt-file to find out which. |
| 20:11.11 | draconi | Eulex: I installed _everything_ with wx in the name |
| 20:11.14 | draconi | Eulex: except the 2.4 stuff |
| 20:11.33 | zulu42 | azeem, I needed to be root of course :) (i'm a fuckin nooooob :) ) |
| 20:11.48 | theD3viL | draconi, nono, i mean, if dist-upgrade when i have installed based system...or when have installed icewm, rox, ... |
| 20:12.39 | draconi | theD3viL: it does actually not matter |
| 20:12.52 | draconi | theD3viL: if you install your required software now, you'd have to update them anyways with the dist-upgrade |
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| 20:13.04 | DeeJay^ | Anyone knows if there is a bug with phpsysinfo2.5.1 which does it doesnt print out mbmon details? and hddtemp |
| 20:13.16 | theD3viL | draconi, okey, tnx :) .. btw..how up-to-date is etch (i saw u using it) ? |
| 20:13.27 | draconi | theD3viL: basically changing a mirror |
| 20:13.37 | draconi | theD3viL: but to be secure, you should meet some other prequisites |
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| 20:13.43 | draconi | theD3viL: described somewhere on the web :D |
| 20:14.03 | Eulex | Agentj87, for the ext2 partition, check out e2undel. ext3 is an entirely different beast. try following the instructions in the article I gave you above. |
| 20:14.15 | Agentj87 | yea |
| 20:14.17 | Agentj87 | im reading it now |
| 20:14.25 | theD3viL | draconi, using kde? Which ver? Or which wm? |
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| 20:14.45 | Azar | dumb question, do we get Adobe for Sarge? I have PDF manuals and I cannot access without pdf |
| 20:14.47 | draconi | theD3viL: gnome atm |
| 20:15.00 | theD3viL | ver? |
| 20:15.04 | theD3viL | :P |
| 20:15.16 | draconi | um |
| 20:15.18 | draconi | 2.10.2 |
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| 20:15.44 | Eulex | Azar, xpdf/gdpf/evince/kpdf doesn't work for it? |
| 20:15.59 | abrotman | Azar: gpdf/xpdf/kpdf |
| 20:16.22 | azeem | evince |
| 20:16.27 | theD3viL | draconi, i thought that is newer software, but anyway, i think ill use etch anyway. Sid is maybe too new. |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that too :) |
| 20:16.29 | dvm | On '#debian-fr' who is 'ptitlouis' ? |
| 20:16.31 | azeem | oh, Eulex said that already |
| 20:16.35 | Azar | ah I did not know about those, thanks let me see if I can access |
| 20:16.38 | abrotman | azeem: though .. evinze isn't in sarge i don't think |
| 20:16.52 | draconi | theD3viL: I actually don't care for my gnome's version, since I'm at work and only use the terminal anyway :D |
| 20:16.57 | azeem | it is |
| 20:17.06 | azeem | though a pretty early version |
| 20:17.33 | abrotman | i guess gpdf is still the default in 2.8 |
| 20:17.38 | Azar | damn I don't have a mean to open pdf files |
| 20:17.45 | G2 | anyone know how to check a CD is in a drive and it's blank via the commandline for a script? |
| 20:17.51 | azeem | Azar: ? |
| 20:17.53 | abrotman | Azar: install gpdf or evince or xpdf or kpdf |
| 20:18.09 | Azar | ok I hope none are gnome or kde.... |
| 20:18.18 | Azar | xpdf sounds ok I guess |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | then use xpdf |
| 20:18.20 | azeem | Azar: how about you check their descriptions? |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | even though it sucks :) |
| 20:19.20 | Azar | I am not fancy with fonts, if they are big enough to read.. |
| 20:19.20 | azeem | xpdf -fullscreen is still way better than what evince in GNOME-2.12 has |
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| 20:19.21 | Azar | so when I get asked to open with... I should say xpdf right? |
| 20:19.41 | azeem | I guess |
| 20:19.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:19.46 | stew | evince is nice, but it is gnome and has about 5 gajillion dependencies |
| 20:19.58 | azeem | s/but/as/ |
| 20:20.03 | sts9 | what package provides "ip neighbor" command? going through a tutorial of linux networking and uses this command I cant find |
| 20:20.18 | stew | apt-cache depends evince | wc -l -> 49 |
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| 20:20.26 | stew | sts9: iproute |
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| 20:20.41 | azeem | stew: well, libtool bloat maybe |
| 20:20.43 | sts9 | ahh ok. iproute2 better? |
| 20:21.43 | sts9 | ok nevermind its the same package |
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| 20:22.12 | sts9 | iproute and iproute2 I mean. |
| 20:22.24 | sts9 | stew: thanks |
| 20:22.41 | stew | yeah, iproute2 is the older name, iproute is replacing it (in name only), you're welcome |
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| 20:23.29 | Azar | hmm anyone used openoffice so far, I can't seem to find a reference on date autoinsert... |
| 20:23.39 | Azar | or date autocomplete |
| 20:23.54 | Azar | bah maybe it does not have it.. |
| 20:24.11 | starfishy | you can insert a fixed or floating date |
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| 20:24.28 | vieirar | Hi I added a line into my fstab to mount my sda1 hdd. However users are unable to mount it or write to it. This is the line..... |
| 20:24.51 | dvm | Is 'Testing' better or not than 'Unstable', 'ptitlouis' on #debian-fr say that 'Testing' stink. Right ? Or 'ptitlouis' bad operator ? |
| 20:24.52 | vieirar | /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 reiserfs user,rw,auto 0 0 |
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| 20:25.11 | starfishy | insert -> fields -> other |
| 20:25.17 | cusco | vieirar: when users try to mount it what does it say? |
| 20:25.18 | azeem | dvm: they are different |
| 20:25.20 | starfishy | select date, choose from fixed or non-fixed |
| 20:25.25 | mith | what exactly is the ifupdown init script for? |
| 20:25.26 | azeem | dvm: it depends on the use case |
| 20:25.35 | vieirar | cusco, Must be superuser to mount |
| 20:25.45 | cusco | hold |
| 20:25.49 | Eulex | dvm, testing is ok if you know the basics of debian package management and you tolerate that things can occasionally break in it. |
| 20:25.52 | starfishy | mith: it brings up or shuts down network interfaces |
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| 20:25.57 | vieirar | cusco, mount: must be superuser to use mount |
| 20:26.12 | Ungy | Azar I see it under Insert > fields > Date |
| 20:26.28 | Eulex | dvm, if you compare that too unstable: unstable *will* break, sooner or later, and very often it doesn't break in a pretty way. |
| 20:26.33 | starfishy | ungy: insert->fields->date doesnt give you a choice of fixed or non-fixed |
| 20:26.37 | mith | starfishy: isn't that the job of the networking init script? |
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| 20:26.45 | starfishy | mith: no. |
| 20:26.47 | dvm | So 'Unstable' can break many times my system ? |
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| 20:26.56 | dvm | Eulex: Ok |
| 20:26.56 | mith | starfishy: so what does the networking init script do? |
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| 20:27.03 | dmriti | exit |
| 20:27.31 | Eulex | dvm, yes, you should be very familiar with the debian package management system and how to fix stuff when it breaks before you attempt to run unstable. |
| 20:27.36 | mith | starfishy: i'm trying to figure out where i need to order this init script to fix the ethernet media type, should it be before networking or am I not garunteed the modules will be loaded yet at that point? |
| 20:27.47 | starfishy | mith: you may want to just look at it |
| 20:27.55 | Eulex | dvm, testing should be ok if you just have a little more than basic knowledge |
| 20:27.55 | cusco | vieirar: try /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 reuserfs umask=000,user,rw,auto 0 0 |
| 20:27.57 | vieirar | do I need to add chmod 0000 |
| 20:28.05 | Eulex | dvm, if you're totally new to linux, go with stable. |
| 20:28.08 | starfishy | mith: it does some config tasks concerning firewalls, syncookies and stuff |
| 20:28.14 | vieirar | cusco, ok thanks was thinking that |
| 20:28.26 | starfishy | the networking script even says it requires that ifupdown has been run |
| 20:28.46 | starfishy | you shouldnt mess with the init scripts at all |
| 20:29.02 | starfishy | look in /etc/networking, the configuration is in there, just modify that |
| 20:29.44 | mith | starfishy: no. I need to run ethtool on some of the devices before they're brought up because not all the switches it's connected to play nicely with auto negotiation |
| 20:30.06 | Agentj87 | «Eulex» u round |
| 20:30.09 | mith | starfishy: but doing it in an up statement in interfaces causes huge delays when restarting interfaces |
| 20:30.10 | starfishy | mith: can all be done in the networking config directory |
| 20:30.13 | dvm | Eulex: I test 'Testing' in virtual pc's and on the laptop, to learn it better :-) I hope that i have enought knowledges of 'Stable', so i would like to run 'Testing' in the future. But on the main pc's, running 'Stable', waiting to switch to 'Testing' when enought knowledges made with my virtual pc's. |
| 20:30.24 | starfishy | messing with init scripts is unnecessary in 99.9% of all cases |
| 20:30.30 | mith | starfishy: where's the docs for how to set media type, then? |
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| 20:30.40 | mith | starfishy: I'm not messing with any init scripts. I'm adding one. |
| 20:30.47 | humboldt | is there a way in kde to make a DVD from divx or any other movie files? |
| 20:30.51 | vieirar | cusco, still get the same error. |
| 20:30.59 | Eulex | Agentj87, ok. |
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| 20:31.08 | Eulex | umh, wrong person |
| 20:31.11 | Eulex | dvm, ok |
| 20:31.13 | Eulex | Agentj87, eh? |
| 20:31.15 | Agentj87 | «Eulex» im tryin the steps on page, but sumthin isnt workin , fsstat /dev/hda3 |
| 20:31.17 | dvm | Eulex: I really think that 'Unstable' is not for my, waiting knowgledges of... before going to that. |
| 20:31.30 | blaamann_home | humboldt: Check out mencoder |
| 20:31.40 | starfishy | mith: afaik you can just start your script from inside /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:31.52 | mith | starfishy: but doing it in an up statement in interfaces causes huge delays when restarting interfaces |
| 20:31.57 | mith | starfishy: as i said a moment ago |
| 20:32.19 | mith | it only needs to be done once per boot |
| 20:32.54 | dvm | Eulex: thx for the info and suggestions man :-) |
| 20:33.06 | starfishy | how does calling ethtool cause a huge delay? |
| 20:33.06 | humboldt | the other way round. Isn't mencoder used to encode dvd-rips into divx? I want convert a divx movie back to dvd mpeg2 files following the VIDEO_TS AUDIO_TS dir structure, so I can burn a DVD which can be played in any DVD player! |
| 20:33.11 | Azar | hmm I guess "Help" is empty in OO unless you buy the Office |
| 20:33.11 | starfishy | what's your definition of huge? |
| 20:33.25 | mith | starfishy: >20 seconds of loss of network connectivity |
| 20:33.33 | mith | starfishy: on the interface being manipulated |
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| 20:33.44 | starfishy | setting the media type should not take more than a sec or so |
| 20:34.10 | mith | starfishy: well, tell that to the 6 interfaces in this machine, because they're apparently unaware |
| 20:34.18 | Eulex | dvm, yw :) |
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| 20:34.38 | starfishy | then something else is probably not right |
| 20:34.44 | Eulex | Agentj87, fsstat is in the package sleuthkit |
| 20:34.53 | mith | ... |
| 20:34.54 | Agentj87 | oh |
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| 20:35.23 | Agentj87 | is there any way else ot get block range |
| 20:35.32 | Eulex | Agentj87, dls is in the same package. foremost is in the package foremost |
| 20:35.39 | starfishy | it takes a barely perceptible fraction of a second on my system |
| 20:35.40 | mith | Anyways, module-init-utils is run from rcS so if I put my script that does this before networking and ifupdown in rc0 things should work fine since the module will already be loaded |
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| 20:36.01 | starfishy | if you put it before ifupdown ethtool will puke |
| 20:36.12 | starfishy | ethtool needs the interface to be up to work as far as i know |
| 20:36.13 | mith | why do you say that? |
| 20:36.18 | mith | no it doesn't |
| 20:36.23 | starfishy | no? |
| 20:36.25 | mith | no |
| 20:36.25 | Eulex | Agentj87, sorry, I dunno. I'm not familiar with the actual process of recovering an ext3 partition. btw, you should take a look at apt-file -- it enabled you to search for files and see in which package it's located |
| 20:36.31 | starfishy | must be new, used to be different |
| 20:36.37 | mith | you can use ethtool/mii-tool on things that don't even have link |
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| 20:36.53 | Agentj87 | k |
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| 20:37.06 | zege | Hi, my new installed sarge doesn´t know the deluser command. What can I do? |
| 20:37.14 | starfishy | try to run ethtool on a nonexisting interface |
| 20:37.17 | mith | zege: userdel |
| 20:37.22 | starfishy | like ethtool eth3 |
| 20:37.22 | zege | thx |
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| 20:37.31 | starfishy | will spit out 'no such device' |
| 20:37.41 | mith | starfishy: sure, it throws errors on non-existant devices, but the module will already be loaded, hence, the device will exist |
| 20:37.44 | starfishy | actually, you are right |
| 20:37.51 | zege | mith: it also don´t knows userdel |
| 20:37.54 | starfishy | if the module is loaded it should work |
| 20:38.21 | stew | zege: are you root? |
| 20:38.21 | mith | yes, hence I was trying to figure out at which state i could be sure the module was loaded |
| 20:38.27 | starfishy | whether its settings will be overwritten by ifupdown though is anyone's guess |
| 20:38.33 | zege | shit .... |
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| 20:38.42 | mith | ifupdown doesn't touch media type as far as I can tell |
| 20:38.44 | Lord_Athur | what version is the sid debian version? |
| 20:38.50 | starfishy | mith: if i were you id try to find out what's broken with your interfaces that setting the media type takes 20s |
| 20:39.04 | Eulex | Lord_Athur, it hasn't got any version. |
| 20:39.06 | starfishy | lord_athur: sid |
| 20:39.31 | Eulex | Lord_Athur, as sid is never released. |
| 20:39.44 | Lord_Athur | what the newer sid or sarge? |
| 20:39.45 | mith | starfishy: it doesn't take 20s to set it, if I do it from the console it's immediate, the card just doesn't respond for 1-10 seconds after it's set |
| 20:39.57 | cisse | mith: bad switch ? |
| 20:40.12 | stew | or cable? |
| 20:40.12 | mith | starfishy: every e1000 i've tried with this paticular switch does the same thing |
| 20:40.23 | Eulex | Lord_Athur, sid. however, sid is not released and never will be. use sarge if you want something stable. |
| 20:40.26 | starfishy | maybe it's a problem of the switch? |
| 20:40.26 | valdyn | mith: modprobe supports executing scripts after a module gets loaded |
| 20:40.32 | Eulex | !tell Lord_Athur about releases |
| 20:40.36 | mith | no, there's no errors/carrier/frame/etc on the line |
| 20:40.47 | starfishy | and why doesnt the interface autonegotiate 1000BT anyway? |
| 20:41.04 | stew | mith: how long are the cables you are using? |
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| 20:41.14 | starfishy | my interfaces come up as 1000BT even with an el-cheapo gigabit switch |
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| 20:41.26 | SerajewelKS | why would my GPG show a duplicate uid with --list-secret but only one of the same uid with --list-key? |
| 20:41.32 | SerajewelKS | s/GPG/GPG key/ |
| 20:41.35 | mith | starfishy: because some cisco switches act flakey when autonegotiating with pc nics instead of other cisco switches |
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| 20:41.40 | starfishy | mith: and how often do you restart your interfaces? |
| 20:42.26 | Eulex | Lord_Athur, if you want something more up to date than sarge but still quite stable use testing. |
| 20:42.31 | mith | starfishy: often enough that the delay in unnacceptable |
| 20:42.49 | mith | valdyn: that sounds more like what I'm looking for |
| 20:42.53 | starfishy | mith: to answer your original question: if you put it after ifupdown you can be sure the modules are probed |
| 20:42.54 | Lord_Athur | thanks all |
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| 20:43.01 | starfishy | where it is in relation to 'networking' doesnt matter |
| 20:43.30 | mith | valdyn: how do you define a script to be run after inserting a certain module? modules.conf? |
| 20:43.40 | mith | (with module-init-utils ... 2.6) |
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| 20:43.48 | starfishy | mith: or you can put it into the modules config |
| 20:43.55 | Eulex | Lord_Athur, yw :) |
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| 20:44.35 | starfishy | mith: put a post-install clause into the apropriate module file |
| 20:44.43 | valdyn | mith: modules.conf is obsolete |
| 20:44.55 | mith | erm, modprobe.conf |
| 20:44.58 | valdyn | mith: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base has examples, man modprobe |
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| 20:45.54 | djp | what is the save setup option box for when i logout of gnome? does it save open programs and load them in the same state that they are when i logout? |
| 20:46.28 | valdyn | djp: yes - for programs that support that mechanism |
| 20:46.35 | Eulex | djp, it requests programs to save their state, then requests that the programs are launched and their state is restored next time you login. |
| 20:46.38 | Hatii | where is the german channel? |
| 20:46.41 | Eulex | !de |
| 20:46.42 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 20:46.51 | starfishy | mith: that's even the best solution, i wonder why i didnt think of this first |
| 20:46.52 | Hatii | thx |
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| 20:46.53 | Supaplex | I'm only using stable for binaries, but I have stable/testing and unstable in my sources. Is postgresql atleast 8.0.3 in unstable, and how do I download that source? apt-get source postgresql wants stable ... |
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| 20:47.32 | Eulex | Supaplex, 7.5.15 is in testing and unstable. |
| 20:47.33 | valdyn | Supaplex: apt-get -t unstable |
| 20:47.40 | kbrooks | question. |
| 20:47.44 | Eulex | answer. |
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| 20:47.57 | kbrooks | has python-dev been renamed? |
| 20:48.18 | asg | !info python-dev sid |
| 20:48.21 | mith | valdyn: can you put that alsa-base example on a paste thing or something, i don't have a machine with a sound card and don't really feel like install alsa for no reason |
| 20:48.25 | valdyn | Supaplex: in this case its postgresql-8.1 |
| 20:48.37 | djp | Eulex, great, thanks. so if i was to check the box when i logout it should put gaim and liferea back in the same state as when i logged out. |
| 20:48.53 | Eulex | djp, if the programs support it, yes. otherwise not. |
| 20:49.18 | djp | Eulex, how can i check? would it be termed session-management? |
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| 20:50.24 | dpkg | python-dev: (Header files and a static library for Python (default)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.3.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 20:50.51 | Supaplex | valdyn: apt-get -t unstable source postgresql gave me 7.5.15 |
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| 20:51.06 | kbrooks | whoa |
| 20:51.08 | kbrooks | hmmm |
| 20:51.09 | kbrooks | no |
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| 20:51.11 | kbrooks | hmmm |
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| 20:51.24 | Supaplex | !tell kbrooks -about enter |
| 20:51.51 | smagy2 | hello folks could some on please tell me how i could config openssh not to display info , when one goes something like telnet localhost 22 and it gives this info SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 20:51.53 | valdyn | mith: 'install mymodule modprobe --ignore install mymodule && runsomescript' |
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| 20:52.04 | valdyn | mith: 'install mymodule modprobe --ignore-install mymodule && runsomescript' |
| 20:52.05 | Fawzib | question: how can I read a variable from an XML file in linux (i need it for a init script). For example I want to read the value inside <pid></pid> |
| 20:52.11 | smagy2 | i am refering to the part of SSH version and debian-distribution version |
| 20:52.37 | dvm | I find that when i boot my system, and after all loaded, X, openbox, he use +-150 MB of RAM, is that not to many ? How i can look what are eating the RAM ? |
| 20:52.54 | valdyn | dvm: that's not to much |
| 20:52.56 | valdyn | !ram |
| 20:52.56 | dpkg | somebody said ram was (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
| 20:53.09 | valdyn | dvm: use 'free' and learn to read it also |
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| 20:53.15 | starfishy | 150MB is normal |
| 20:53.50 | dvm | valdyn: Yes, i always use 'free -m' :-) |
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| 20:54.10 | efaistos | what do u use to play real player video under firefox ? |
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| 20:54.24 | jmg | hi all |
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| 20:55.01 | valdyn | !1200*1024*4 |
| 20:55.01 | dpkg | 4915200 |
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| 20:55.50 | skript | slightly off topic... I need a command line (console) utility that will let me monitor tcp connections and sort it by flag status (established, last_ack etc)... any ideas ? |
| 20:55.54 | Agentj87 | where can i get TKS? |
| 20:56.13 | dvm | valdyn: On my old laptop, where i have only 128 MB RAM, is that then not a problem ? In most case there are only +-20 left. So now i understand a little bit more wy on the other computer with more RAM there are more wasted. |
| 20:56.50 | valdyn | dvm: are you certain that you actually are reading 'free' correctly? paste it somewhere.. |
| 20:56.56 | starfishy | !1280x1024x4 |
| 20:57.03 | starfishy | !1280*1024*4 |
| 20:57.03 | dpkg | 5242880 |
| 20:57.32 | efaistos | what do u use to play real player video under firefox ? |
| 20:57.55 | starfishy | why not use the real player plugin? |
| 20:57.57 | valdyn | dvm: we cant tell how reasonable your memory use is either way, lack of useful information |
| 20:58.06 | benjamindees | efaistos, the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin |
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| 20:58.16 | dvm | valdyn: i paste it in pastebin ... |
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| 20:58.33 | stew | dvm: are you subtracting buffers and cache? |
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| 20:59.39 | dvm | stew : that i not understand, i being paste it an give the url here :-) |
| 21:00.09 | efaistos | benjamindees, what is this plugin ? |
| 21:00.14 | efaistos | where can i found it ? |
| 21:00.16 | benjamindees | efaistos, oops, extension rather |
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| 21:00.58 | dvm | http://pastebin.ca/39669 |
| 21:01.04 | starfishy | dvm: my system says it has 3.3G of 3.4G used, but 2.6G of that is cache |
| 21:01.11 | benjamindees | https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446 |
| 21:01.53 | valdyn | dvm: -/+ buffers/cache: 331684 704840 <- that's the line to read |
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| 21:03.36 | dvm | valdyn: Yes, but i not understand the meaning of it, hhhmmm, you have say it before ;-) |
| 21:03.47 | Agentj87 | «Eulex» |
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| 21:04.13 | valdyn | dvm: first value is 'used by programs', second value is 'available for programs' |
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| 21:04.38 | Agentj87 | i just installed TSK anyone kno how to fire it up |
| 21:04.38 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 21:04.45 | valdyn | !tsk |
| 21:04.50 | Agentj87 | k |
| 21:04.54 | Agentj87 | !tsk |
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| 21:05.03 | valdyn | Agentj87: no idea what tsk is |
| 21:05.05 | stew | dvm: when you have ram that isn't being used by programs, linux uses it as disk cache to speed up repetitive disk reads, if this memeory is needed for running programs, it is immediately recovered |
| 21:05.11 | Agentj87 | the sleuth kit |
| 21:05.21 | Agentj87 | !tsk |
| 21:05.58 | valdyn | Agentj87: this is not a windows support channel. |
| 21:06.04 | dvm | valdyn, stew : So my case is really normal ? And the nothings wrong happend ? My computer is being good used ? |
| 21:06.07 | Agentj87 | its not windows |
| 21:06.11 | Agentj87 | is a nix proggie |
| 21:06.24 | stew | dvm: yes |
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| 21:06.40 | valdyn | Agentj87: run one of the programs contained |
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| 21:06.48 | dvm | Right :-) |
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| 21:07.00 | valdyn | dvm: the output of this free was not from your 128MB laptop, was it? |
| 21:07.04 | Agentj87 | tryin to run the man file |
| 21:07.07 | dvm | stew valdyn : thx |
| 21:07.33 | dvm | valdyn: Right, thats my main computer 1024 MB RAM ;-) |
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| 21:07.51 | valdyn | dvm: sure having 70% memory used as cache / buffer is good |
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| 21:09.03 | micr0jackson | hello |
| 21:09.33 | valdyn | Agentj87: autopsy is in debian too |
| 21:09.51 | Agentj87 | dont need it |
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| 21:09.59 | benjamindees | !greet micr0jackson |
| 21:09.59 | dpkg | Tag, micr0jackson |
| 21:10.07 | dvm | valdyn: ;-) |
| 21:10.15 | micr0jackson | i just finished patching my wireless card drivers. i then did a menuconfig , make modules , make modules_install . is there anything else i should do? |
| 21:11.40 | benjamindees | make sure the kernel you're running matches the kernel/modules you built; and load the module(s) |
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| 21:12.41 | micr0jackson | ok, shoud i rmmod the running modules that i've patched first? |
| 21:12.56 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 21:13.00 | Agentj87 | anyone familiar with TSK |
| 21:13.01 | valdyn | micr0jackson: no |
| 21:13.06 | valdyn | micr0jackson: use 'modprobe -r' |
| 21:13.09 | MrPrimate | hey I have a monitor that I use in multiple resolutions -- is it possible that I can have it so it doesn't scroll in the lower resolution? I would like the desktop to only be 1024x768 when I am using this res |
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| 21:13.27 | micr0jackson | thanks :) , what command should i use to load the modules? |
| 21:13.47 | valdyn | MrPrimate: try using xrandr to switch resolutions |
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| 21:14.22 | MrPrimate | valdyn, i'll check it out,... thanks |
| 21:14.52 | micr0jackson | i guess i should just do a `modprobe airport` or whatever |
| 21:15.10 | benjamindees | micr0jackson, yes, modprobe |
| 21:15.17 | micr0jackson | thanks guys |
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| 21:16.25 | Agentj87 | any1 |
| 21:16.26 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 21:16.40 | abrotman | is there a text browser that supports cookies ? |
| 21:16.42 | mlehrer | is anyone here familiar with TCP sequence number issues - in particular how to protect against exploits that use this |
| 21:16.45 | mlehrer | abrotman: lynx |
| 21:16.53 | abrotman | oh .. but not links{2} ? |
| 21:16.59 | stew | abrotman: w3m |
| 21:17.01 | mlehrer | abrotman: maybe links does |
| 21:17.05 | mlehrer | i use lynx |
| 21:17.07 | abrotman | links{2} do not |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | stew: you do mail servers? |
| 21:17.19 | bucky | Agentj87, wtf is TSK ? |
| 21:17.25 | abrotman | bucky: tsk tsk |
| 21:17.26 | Agentj87 | «abrotman» u know anything bout the sleuthkit |
| 21:17.27 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 21:17.28 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 21:17.29 | deadcat | whats up with links2? xlinks2 doesnt start the X shit, it runs FB shit. |
| 21:17.34 | tarzeau | deadcat: i know |
| 21:17.43 | abrotman | stew: you work much with courier ? and specifically shared-folders in courier |
| 21:17.48 | tarzeau | deadcat: it got broke with the removal of the universal xlibs-dev |
| 21:17.54 | dvm | Can i find when there is no enought memory for that system ? How it's looks when there are to less memory, i think for my old P1 100MHz with MB, i currently install Deb on it :-) |
| 21:17.55 | bucky | can i buy a clue? |
| 21:17.58 | tarzeau | deadcat: provide me a patch, and i'll harass someone to upload it ;) |
| 21:18.14 | tarzeau | bucky: got money? |
| 21:18.28 | bucky | no money and no clue |
| 21:18.31 | tarzeau | bucky: try ebay.com |
| 21:18.35 | deadcat | tarzeau: i see. hehe. i dont know anything about patching. using firefox and dillo, links2 -g is my #3. but now its just ff and dillo' |
| 21:18.36 | stew | abrotman: i unfortunately work with courier-imap, but i'm switching it all to dovecot, i have one client that would be all over shared folders, but i haven't told him they exist becuase i dont' want to deal with them :) |
| 21:18.37 | ClamIAm | is alsa-oss a good package to get? (wraps oss-enabled programs so they access native alsa files) |
| 21:18.50 | abrotman | stew: the dovecot in sarge doesn't support shared-folders .. or i would use that |
| 21:18.50 | tarzeau | deadcat: for me links2 is #1 |
| 21:19.03 | stew | abrotman: asked in #courier? there are usually some helpful friendly guys there |
| 21:19.12 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. most definitely |
| 21:19.13 | deadcat | tarzeau: dillo and links2 dont look good on my page (= |
| 21:19.20 | abrotman | stew: noone uses shared-folders apparently :) |
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| 21:19.34 | abrotman | stew: i don't mind courier .. but this shared folder thing .. i'm about to kill |
| 21:19.46 | rambo3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.24 | abrotman | stew: cyrus doesn't support maildir .. dovecot in sarge doesn't support shared maildir .. courier has support for both .. but is a bitch and 2/3 to set up |
| 21:20.30 | Agentj87 | any |
| 21:20.31 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 21:20.33 | Agentj87 | any1 |
| 21:20.33 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 21:20.46 | bucky | !irritate Agentj87 |
| 21:20.46 | dpkg | Agentj87: wenas who uses kde lol |
| 21:20.49 | stew | abrotman: i'm good with all other aspects of courier setup :) |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. so am i :) |
| 21:21.04 | abrotman | stew: but this .. this is a pisser |
| 21:21.13 | Agentj87 | !irritate bucky |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | bucky: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd hello? |
| 21:21.31 | benjamindees | dvm, I'm not sure what you're asking. Have you installed debian already? |
| 21:21.54 | abrotman | stew: docs/mailing lists are contradictory .. but neither seem to work :) |
| 21:21.58 | dvm | benjamindees: Yes, 'Stable', little bit slow, but running :-) |
| 21:22.08 | benjamindees | dvm, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 21:22.24 | dvm | benjamindees: And litte trouble to get the grafic card on working |
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| 21:22.29 | benjamindees | dvm, Swap used should be low |
| 21:22.31 | abrotman | stew: i'm about [] close to compiling dovecot |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | of course .. that distance varies based on your resolution |
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| 21:23.21 | dvm | benjamindees: nice, :-0 the proc |
| 21:23.23 | stew | abrotman: i actually have the guy in the room that i need to talk to before i switch to dovecot, thanks for reminding me :) |
| 21:23.38 | stew | abrotman: unfortunately there is a namespace switch going to dovecot which is going to break our MUA |
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| 21:24.22 | abrotman | stew: that still doesn't help me :) |
| 21:24.30 | abrotman | stew: thanks anyways .. i'll keep plugging away |
| 21:25.35 | abrotman | stew: just seems .. shouldn't be so hard |
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| 21:26.39 | harleyg | anyone need a web host/shell? |
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| 21:26.42 | abrotman | why?!?! |
| 21:27.17 | Supaplex | harleyg: I've already got localhost |
| 21:27.26 | harleyg | http://linuxlabs.co.uk |
| 21:27.27 | harleyg | meh! |
| 21:27.28 | harleyg | :) |
| 21:27.30 | abrotman | harleyg: will oyu protect me from the gov't? |
| 21:27.46 | harleyg | yes |
| 21:27.51 | abrotman | will it get me laid? |
| 21:27.51 | harleyg | with a magical shield |
| 21:27.55 | harleyg | yes |
| 21:27.58 | harleyg | by 60 virgins |
| 21:28.21 | Nezzari | Has anyone here installed Debian on an Lanparty UT NF4 Ultra-D? I can't get the network to work... |
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| 21:28.59 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Did you go last night? |
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| 21:30.00 | ClamIAm | nezzari, what IS that thing? a router? |
| 21:30.02 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, i commented out skip-networking in my.conf for mysql and uncommented bind (because i needed to) and now mysql wont start... i get: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 21:30.07 | abrotman | jjazz_: nope .. waited for secher .. he never showed up :) |
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| 21:30.32 | Nezzari | ClamAIm: Motherboard made by DFI |
| 21:30.35 | jjazz_ | abrotman: Too bad. Hope you had some beers with you to pass the time. |
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| 21:30.39 | abrotman | jjazz_: kind of a bummer .. but it's probably a good thing |
| 21:30.44 | abrotman | jjazz_: nope .. had to go home and pay rent :) |
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| 21:31.06 | Nezzari | Uses Vitesse VSC8201 lan |
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| 21:31.30 | ClamIAm | hmm have you figured out if the lan chip is supported? |
| 21:31.32 | jjazz_ | The things I can imagine are bad enough. The real knowledge might scar me. |
| 21:31.33 | dvm | The output of 'free -m' of my P1 100 MHz http://pastebin.ca/39676, calculated the cache is used as 85 % |
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| 21:32.29 | linuxdrak | Ahojky , prosim, mohl by me nekdo tady zasvetit? |
| 21:32.51 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, check this out: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/11/185208&mode=thread |
| 21:33.02 | Nezzari | ClamIAm: It seems impossible not to be...As far as I know, it's the standard lan used in every Nvidia Nf4 Mobo... |
| 21:33.11 | dvm | So is that not bad ? I would like to install 'openbox' on it ? Is that possible ? |
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| 21:33.24 | Nezzari | clamIAm: Worked under Ubuntu, Suse, and fedora. |
| 21:33.37 | ClamIAm | so you have debian installed now? |
| 21:33.46 | valdyn | dvm: 10M used, im sure you can run X and openbox and it should still be fine |
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| 21:34.07 | dvm | valdyn: Yoepie ;-) |
| 21:34.13 | benjamindees | dvm, absolutely, looks good |
| 21:34.46 | Nezzari | ClamIAm: I am installing it right now using the netinstaller. I stopped at the network configuration part |
| 21:35.11 | mlehrer | does anyone here know anything about tcp rst spoofing |
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| 21:35.29 | valdyn | mlehrer: google |
| 21:35.41 | Nezzari | ClamIAm: Not too sure how that site is suppose to help... |
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| 21:36.24 | NitinShantharam | hey guys, i commented out skip-networking in my.conf for mysql and uncommented bind (because i needed to) and now mysql wont start... i get: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 21:36.39 | diana_ | How can I change my mac address that I show to my router, I type "ifdown eth0" then I type "ifconfig eth0 hw machere?" then "ifup eth0" or something... |
| 21:36.43 | mlehrer | valdyn: can you come up with a google query that will tell me if recent debian versions are vulnerable? i haven't had any luck |
| 21:36.44 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, does your network use dhcp? |
| 21:36.47 | diana_ | I'm not sure the ifconfig command can anyone help me I read the man page. |
| 21:36.53 | Nezzari | ClamIAm: yes |
| 21:36.54 | valdyn | NitinShantharam: and? did you read the error and check what it asks you to check? |
| 21:37.06 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, actually, did you type "linux26" at the boot prompt? |
| 21:37.15 | NitinShantharam | valdyn, it doesnt asy anyhting after what i displayed |
| 21:37.21 | Nezzari | ClamIAm: No... not sure what that does |
| 21:37.25 | NitinShantharam | valdyn, thats why i need help |
| 21:37.58 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, if you just hit "enter", it loads a 2.4 kernel, "linux26" loads a 2.6 one. 2.6 will probably have the driver |
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| 21:38.01 | mlehrer | valdyn: either be helpful or don't post anything. |
| 21:38.13 | Nezzari | ClamIAm: Ah... thanks a lot |
| 21:38.25 | valdyn | NitinShantharam: umm, the message you pasted asks you to verify 2 things, go verify those |
| 21:38.25 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, i actually had the same problem myself :P |
| 21:38.59 | valdyn | !tell mlehrer -about ask |
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| 21:39.08 | valdyn | mlehrer: learn to ask what you want to be answered ) |
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| 21:39.31 | NitinShantharam | valdyn, ...oh my. obviously they dont exist. |
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| 21:40.23 | dvm | So is that possible to run 'Testing' on my old P1. Take that more memory ? |
| 21:40.34 | valdyn | dvm: nope |
| 21:40.52 | valdyn | dvm: err, yes / no |
| 21:41.01 | benjamindees | it won't take more memory? |
| 21:41.17 | shoxy | Hi! Ive installed the CDs 1 and 2. Now i want debian to install packages from the other cds. How can i update the package database ? |
| 21:41.19 | dvm | valdyn: So that take more memory, and is a bad idea ? |
| 21:41.32 | valdyn | dvm: it doesnt take more memory |
| 21:41.51 | valdyn | dvm: but there's probably no benefit in using testing either |
| 21:42.04 | Nezzari | ClamIAM: haha, it's actually worse now. Now it doesn't even detect my nic... |
| 21:42.19 | mith | is there a reason rp_filter (spoofprotection=yes in /etc/network/options) is turned on by default? I just figured out that that shit is responsible for this box dropping all packets for 1-20 second windows every 5-15 minutes |
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| 21:43.26 | dvm | valdyn: ok. The most cas i think, the usage of it, is making a ssh connection to an other computer. And running 'openbox' |
| 21:43.31 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, when did that motherboard come out? |
| 21:43.37 | shoxy | is it possible to read the cds 3-16 in later ? |
| 21:43.47 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, err motherboard/nic |
| 21:44.01 | Nezzari | ClamIAM: It's not the mobo, it has worked with every Linux distro I've tried. Maybe 6 months ago? |
| 21:44.07 | benjamindees | shoxy, yes, apt-cdrom |
| 21:44.15 | valdyn | dvm: i'd stick to sarge |
| 21:44.16 | shoxy | thank you ^ |
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| 21:44.41 | dvm | valdyn: I not understand, sorry |
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| 21:44.58 | valdyn | dvm: i would keep sarge, not testing |
| 21:45.00 | ClamIAm | Nezzari, well debian's last stable release (sarge) came out like six months ago, so it might not support it |
| 21:45.17 | Nezzari | Bah... |
| 21:45.18 | kbrooks | i nweed the gnome python extras |
| 21:45.23 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 21:45.23 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 21:45.26 | kbrooks | package name? |
| 21:45.38 | dvm | valdyn: Ok, i do it so. Thx fo you're opinion, i follow it :-) |
| 21:46.23 | Nezzari | ClanIAm: Thanks for trying. Eh, I guess I'll try a new distro for a whie. Need to get this system up by tonight |
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| 21:47.03 | Agentj87 | no one in here uses TSK |
| 21:47.04 | Agentj87 | ? |
| 21:47.34 | benjamindees | mith, seems like a reasonable thing to have on by default; should only cause problems if you have a rather advanced setup |
| 21:47.37 | zege | how can i configure my sarge server to forward request from eth0 to eth1 (to work as a router) ? |
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| 21:48.21 | kbrooks | i nweed the gnome python extras |
| 21:48.22 | kbrooks | package name? |
| 21:48.57 | tarzeau | zege: turn on ip forwarding |
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| 21:49.05 | shoxy | does debian comes also out for the ibm cell cpu ? |
| 21:49.09 | mith | benjamindees: it causes complete network outage for 1-20 seconds every 5-15 minutes with the ammount of traffic that box is pushing (about 7-10kpkts/s in and out, consistantly) |
| 21:49.13 | tarzeau | kbrooks: use apt-cache search weed gnome python |
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| 21:49.17 | benjamindees | zege, echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:49.19 | shoxy | i think its a gread OS |
| 21:49.29 | tarzeau | shoxy: depends on linux |
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| 21:49.42 | benjamindees | mith, so it's a bug then? |
| 21:50.00 | mith | benjamindees: or just shitty performance with that option in the kernel, yes |
| 21:50.01 | zege | thx@ll |
| 21:50.06 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 21:50.08 | benjamindees | mith, or the box is overloaded, 100% cpu? |
| 21:50.24 | mith | benjamindees: no, that box is as close to idle as it gets, cpu wise |
| 21:50.37 | benjamindees | mith, so, bus contention? |
| 21:50.48 | theD3viL | how to burn cd with console ? |
| 21:51.08 | xbaez | cdrecord |
| 21:51.09 | theD3viL | cd image (iso debian 3.1a1 |
| 21:51.10 | mith | benjamindees: maybe, but only things in the box using it are 2 onboard e1000s and 4 more on a seperate pci-x card, but turning rp_filter off makes the problem go away |
| 21:51.14 | DevilChaos | read the doc that tells you about cdrecord dude |
| 21:51.25 | theD3viL | xbaez, cdrecord file? |
| 21:51.28 | benjamindees | theD3viL, try cdw, or cdrecord |
| 21:51.49 | xbaez | theD3viL, man cdrecord |
| 21:51.49 | DevilChaos | man page? |
| 21:51.53 | theD3viL | benjamindees, cdrecord debianblabla.iso? |
| 21:51.57 | mith | benjamindees: was a pain in the ass to track down |
| 21:52.03 | benjamindees | mith, 4 gig ethernet connections on one pci-x card? |
| 21:52.25 | benjamindees | mith, I'll bet |
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| 21:53.09 | mith | benjamindees: nah, only one of the 6 interfaces is gige at the moment |
| 21:53.33 | mith | benjamindees: and it's one of the onboard controllers |
| 21:53.46 | DevilChaos | mith im having trouble with interfaces |
| 21:53.59 | DevilChaos | could you help me ? |
| 21:54.12 | DevilChaos | i have 2 lan cards |
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| 21:54.28 | DevilChaos | and 2 ips |
| 21:54.36 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 21:54.36 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 21:54.39 | SerajewelKS | DevilChaos: ^^^ |
| 21:55.10 | DevilChaos | ok lol |
| 21:55.16 | Nezzari | !dance |
| 21:56.09 | DevilChaos | on a stand alone machine does the broadcast ip need to be differenet --------> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 21:56.09 | DevilChaos | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:56.09 | DevilChaos | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 21:56.09 | DevilChaos | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 21:56.48 | dvm | I have littles troubles to setup up my grafical card working on my old P1. XFree86 complain and would not working. I have choose the 'vga' driver with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and choose 800x600 - 60Hz. How to begin to troubleshoot that ? |
| 21:57.27 | zege | benjamindees: i did set what you sayed before, but my clients still don´t connect to the inet. Do i have to open ports in my firewall? |
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| 21:59.12 | benjamindees | zege, yes you need the firewall ports open, and a router requires valid ips for the clients unless you setup NAT |
| 21:59.50 | benjamindees | dvm, I'd use the vesa driver; what is your graphic card chipset? |
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| 22:00.19 | dvm | benjamindees: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 54) |
| 22:00.30 | zege | benjamindees: my router is also dhcp server too, and my clients all get ip adresse and the name-server-ip´s from my ISP. And how do i open ports in my firewall? |
| 22:00.37 | benjamindees | dvm, okay nevermind vesa won't work; use the s3 driver |
| 22:01.15 | dvm | benjamindees: So i restart 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and choose there 'S3' ? |
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| 22:01.18 | benjamindees | zege, man iptables |
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| 22:01.28 | benjamindees | dvm, yes |
| 22:01.39 | zege | benjamindees: i know, but wich ports i have to open? |
| 22:01.51 | dvm | benjamindees: thx, i try it now :-0 |
| 22:02.16 | benjamindees | zege, whatever ports you want to forward |
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| 22:02.28 | zege | ok, thanks |
| 22:02.50 | eeyore- | sometimes i like debian :-) there's a fix for my gentoo bash-completion bug that the guys in #gentoo have no clue about (or at least doesn't want to answer my question) |
| 22:02.59 | benjamindees | zege, 'iptables -L' will tell you what is currently open |
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| 22:03.10 | eeyore- | so, i like gentoo, but god, i think #gentoo just fucking sucks ... pardon my french |
| 22:03.25 | benjamindees | !gentoosmite eeyore- |
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| 22:06.10 | dvm | benjamindees: I have try it with the 's3' but X complain an not work |
| 22:07.42 | Rekelon | hi, i am having problems with installing gui with debian (x-window-system is referred to but not present) is there another gui included with the default iso that can be used instead? |
| 22:07.51 | benjamindees | dvm, ugh, I have to go for a sec... back in 20 min |
| 22:08.17 | dvm | benjamindees: ok :-) see you latter ;-) |
| 22:08.40 | aidan | Should I spend an extra $275 on a hardware raid, or just use software mirroring? |
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| 22:09.03 | Shaun | whats teh name of debians perl cpan package? |
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| 22:09.21 | benjamindees | Rekelon, make sure apt sources are setup, apt-setup |
| 22:09.34 | debnewbie | having problems getting mp3s to play right in realplayer; I'm using sid.. |
| 22:09.39 | benjamindees | aidan, software is great unless you are running something intense |
| 22:09.51 | starfishy | shaun: /usr/bin/perl |
| 22:09.54 | starfishy | contains the cpan binary |
| 22:09.56 | benjamindees | Shaun, apt-cache search blah |
| 22:10.32 | starfishy | benjamin: you wont find cpan that way, its a binary that comes in a package that has cpan neither in the name nor in the description |
| 22:10.38 | SerajewelKS | debnewbie: out of curiosity, why would you ever want to use realplayer to do anything? |
| 22:10.56 | benjamindees | sorry, thought he was somebody else repeating something... |
| 22:10.59 | debnewbie | I was always curious of the linux version :) |
| 22:11.00 | starfishy | and why would a debnewbie be using sid? |
| 22:11.14 | SerajewelKS | debnewbie: so now you know that it sucks =) |
| 22:11.20 | debnewbie | what's wrong with trying eh? ;) |
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| 22:11.44 | Docteh | hey does the flash plugin for linux do sound? |
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| 22:11.54 | SerajewelKS | Docteh: yes |
| 22:12.04 | debnewbie | can flash play sound without lagging?? |
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| 22:12.13 | SerajewelKS | debnewbie: not IME |
| 22:12.19 | daehepod | debhelper: yep |
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| 22:12.35 | debnewbie | so what's wrong with me using sid, I can't try it? :P |
| 22:12.51 | daehepod | do whatever you want .. it's your system |
| 22:12.54 | debnewbie | I'm gonna mess with slackware later on |
| 22:12.56 | SerajewelKS | debnewbie: did i say you can't try sid? |
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| 22:13.12 | Rekelon | ah so ap-setup x-window-system? |
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| 22:13.16 | debnewbie | s/try/experiment with |
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| 22:14.12 | dvm | I have some troubles to setup my video card '0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 54)' on my old P1, i have choose the 's3' (also tested with vesa, vga) driver in 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but X will not start, how to begin to trouble shoot it ? |
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| 22:14.25 | Docteh | hmmm it work work even though I have /dev/dsp0 correct and alsa installed etc etc |
| 22:14.47 | _birdy | can anyone tell me how to install debian over the internet using asus wl-138g wireless card |
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| 22:15.33 | debnewbie | reboot time :) later |
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| 22:15.34 | MrPrimate | _birdy, disregaurding the network card, you could use a net install cd (150mb iso) |
| 22:15.47 | mastah | hi everyone |
| 22:15.57 | MrPrimate | _birdy, as far as that network card goes... if it doesn't work from the boot cd, you could try to put a driver for it on a usb flash device or something ? |
| 22:16.00 | daehepod | and i doubt any wireless card will qwork for netinstall |
| 22:16.00 | dvm | '/var/log/XFree86.log' say me that depth 16 are not supported with this driver, i have choose the 16 depth color, i test with 24 |
| 22:16.05 | zege | benjamindees: i don´t understand the iptables. Could you give me a hint for opening the port 80? |
| 22:16.10 | mastah | need some help with DVD burner... not present in /dev/ |
| 22:16.25 | _birdy | yes, but how do debian iso have drivers for wireless? |
| 22:16.30 | mastah | going dark here... my IDE chipset is PIIX |
| 22:16.34 | _birdy | to connect me to internet |
| 22:16.42 | mastah | [machine]: laptop ASUS Z63A |
| 22:16.58 | daehepod | the linux 2.6 kernel has many wireless drivers |
| 22:17.05 | _birdy | thanx |
| 22:17.08 | _birdy | :) |
| 22:17.10 | mastah | cd works fine with 2.4 kernel, but very difficult to get working with any 2.6 kernel |
| 22:17.42 | shadowarts | how do i exclude packages from being upgraded? |
| 22:18.22 | zege | could anyone help me with my iptables? i need to open port 80 for forwarding ... |
| 22:18.25 | SerajewelKS | !hold |
| 22:18.25 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 22:18.29 | SerajewelKS | shadowarts: ^^^ |
| 22:19.00 | mastah | harddrive works with ata_piix (SATA), either build-in or as module, but cd do not work with piix, build-in or module... ? I am in the dark here... |
| 22:19.10 | shadowarts | thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 22:21.01 | mastah | lspci says : "IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 04)" ... how can i get harddrive and cd rom works with that (both IDE) ? |
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| 22:21.10 | mastah | please |
| 22:21.13 | Norsys | hi |
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| 22:26.06 | dvm | I have troubles to setup my video card working on my old P1. I see here in the '/var/log/xfree86.0.log' that there are many line like 'VGA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (insufficient memory for mode)'. What would say that ? |
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| 22:26.18 | Anthro | I think I have my laptop properly configured to suspend to disk. That's great. The problem is that I don't know how to resume (using LILO). Is there some kernel commandline option? |
| 22:26.25 | dvm | Is that the cause of my problem ? |
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| 22:27.56 | mastah | anyone made ICH6M chipset worked fine? |
| 22:28.15 | chaedaeX | would having a vm on a lvm logical volume as opposed to a real partition have less performance? |
| 22:28.20 | iarenaza | dvm I think so (too little video memory) |
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| 22:29.03 | Anthro | chaedaeX: There is a performance hit, yes. How big a hit is harder to estimate. |
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| 22:29.35 | chaedaeX | Anthro: is it best to just ditch lvm altogether then if i really want best performance? |
| 22:29.36 | dvm | iarenaza: It's possible i think, so then it's impossible to run 'X' on it ? :-( |
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| 22:30.06 | iarenaza | dvm maybe you can run it at 640x480, or with a smaller colour depth |
| 22:30.16 | sandman | Is rsync the best method for backup these days? |
| 22:30.23 | sandman | Since it can only backup the parts of files that are different? |
| 22:30.30 | dvm | iarenaza: i try it ;-) |
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| 22:31.05 | chaedaeX | sandman: its a good choice |
| 22:31.11 | Anthro | chaedaeX: It depends on what kind of performance you are seeking. If you have an LVM partition striped across several disks (and I/O channels), you can get better I/O performance for certain applications. Swap space may or may not be one of them. |
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| 22:31.45 | iarenaza | sandman rsync doesn't give you multiple 'historical' copies, if you need to get back to one of those. |
| 22:31.46 | chaedaeX | Anthro: i have a raid 5 array with one big lvm vg |
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| 22:32.00 | chaedaeX | iarenaza: not true. it can do that easily |
| 22:32.07 | diesel | How do I find the package that provides something? |
| 22:32.15 | iarenaza | chaedaeX not without additional scripting |
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| 22:32.45 | chaedaeX | iarenaza: true. its not the user-friendliest to work with |
| 22:32.49 | Anthro | chaedaeX: RAID5 already hurts your performance (for writing, anyway, and with swap you are reading and writing about equally often). |
| 22:33.08 | sandman | Yeah I was looking for incremental backups. |
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| 22:33.53 | iarenaza | sandman there is rsnapshot (or something like that), based on rsync, which makes for a better alternative. |
| 22:34.02 | chaedaeX | sandman: you can roll your own rsync script using the --link-dest flag with other options and some script to rotate the backups |
| 22:34.39 | iarenaza | sandman apt-cache show rsnapshot |
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| 22:35.04 | chaedaeX | looks like rsnapshot is using the hardlink stuff too |
| 22:35.17 | iarenaza | chaedaeX yep! |
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| 22:35.32 | diesel | For example, how would I find which package provides /usr/bin/foobar? |
| 22:35.48 | Anthro | diesel: dpkg -S /usr/bin/foobar |
| 22:36.03 | _Brandon_ | hi, i have a problem with xorg, (WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 22:36.19 | sandman | Hm rsnapshot looks very nice. |
| 22:36.20 | jjazz | diesel: apt-file search foobar |
| 22:36.24 | sandman | Very nice indeed. |
| 22:36.33 | loxley | sandman: take a look at backuppc also |
| 22:36.39 | diesel | Anthro: that only shows from already installed packages. |
| 22:36.50 | diesel | jjazz: awe yes...thanks |
| 22:37.01 | Anthro | diesel: True. apt-file, as jjazz mentioned, works for not installed packages. |
| 22:37.03 | jjazz | np |
| 22:37.14 | stew | sandman: i think dirvish is excellent |
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| 22:38.08 | diesel | jjazz: That leads to this...how do I find out which package provides apt-file |
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| 22:38.15 | kreg_dcdi | can tcpdump or tethereal show me dchp broadcast offers? |
| 22:38.23 | jjazz | diesel: apt-cache search apt-file would probably do it. |
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| 22:39.11 | sandman | I think I might want something with a bit of compression. |
| 22:39.13 | chaedaeX | damn why do i always get "(Connection reset by peer)." ? |
| 22:39.20 | sandman | Although a filesystem with transparent compression would be nice also :) |
| 22:39.46 | Anthro | Okay, I've figured out the basics of suspend/resume. It looks like I need a resume="/dev/<partition>" and that's fine. The thing is, my laptop appears to have an SATA drive in it, so I'm not sure if I want /dev/sda6 or /dev/hda6. Anyone? |
| 22:39.50 | _Brandon_ | also if i do setxkbmap -model pc105 i get this error Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us' |
| 22:40.03 | _Brandon_ | anyone know about this? |
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| 22:40.05 | iarenaza | kreg_dcdi are you sure dhcp offers are broadcast frames? I think they are unicast |
| 22:40.13 | kreg_dcdi | i don't know |
| 22:40.17 | freebse | can someone tell me a god channel for the osx86project? I tried osx86, osx86project |
| 22:40.27 | kreg_dcdi | but some clients are picking up a different address pool |
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| 22:40.38 | nkuttler | sandman: backuppc is great |
| 22:40.40 | Anthro | freebse: You might ask in #macosx |
| 22:41.01 | freebse | Anthro: thx that was what I was searching for |
| 22:41.21 | iarenaza | kreg_dcdi if they are unicast, you will have a hard time unless your are in a _non_ switched environment. |
| 22:41.31 | benjamindees | Anthro, it probably depends on whether your sata driver uses scsi emulation or not |
| 22:41.48 | freebse | Anthro: not escatly :) i dont know if I can ask this Apple dudes about illegal installation on a P4 :) thx anyway |
| 22:42.08 | Anthro | freebse: You can always ask |
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| 22:42.27 | iarenaza | kreg_dcdi unless your switch has a 'span port'. |
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| 22:42.31 | freebse | Anthro: I bet I can allways can get banned as well :) lol... ok I go ask |
| 22:42.43 | Anthro | benjamindees: Well, it's funny. mount says that / is /dev/hda4, but cfdisk will only read /dev/sda, not /dev/hda |
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| 22:43.24 | Anthro | benjamindees: And I need root=/dev/sda4 on the kernel commandline. |
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| 22:44.11 | ircx | Hi |
| 22:44.13 | nkuttler | freebse: try the darwin channel |
| 22:44.13 | nook | Hi. I'm using ubuntu for about 3 months. Is there anty point in changing it to debian? |
| 22:44.35 | iarenaza | nook is it giving you trouble¿ |
| 22:44.42 | DeeJay^ | When i make a mysqldump with the parameters '-AKQ' then it makes weird stuff in the .sql file i save it to like 'CREATE DATABASE /*!32312 IF NOT EXISTS*/'... Whats that CREATE DATABASE /*!32312 IF NOT EXISTS*/ ? |
| 22:44.44 | beardy | nook: Since you are in here asking, you seem to think about it. It's your choice. |
| 22:44.51 | freebse | nkuttler: there was a channel that was related to this questions but I can not find it anymore |
| 22:45.20 | freebse | nkuttler, Anthro: besides ppl in the channel are ignoring me :) |
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| 22:45.39 | zorgy | hi |
| 22:45.42 | Anthro | freebse: Did you check the osx86 website? Perhaps they mention an IRC channel/network. |
| 22:45.42 | nook | beardy, my friends urge me hardly to changing my distro to debian, i don't know if there're much differences and if does it make any sense |
| 22:45.49 | owner | do most of you use debian unstable or stable |
| 22:46.02 | zorgy | I have a problem: my taskbar buttons have disappeared |
| 22:46.04 | stew | owner: yes, and testing |
| 22:46.09 | freebse | Anthro: I did but I could rather do it again :) |
| 22:46.15 | ircx | does anyone here know how to use special chars in a regex for egrep? e.g. I want to search for invalid chars in a bunch of ascii files such as the dreaded "microsoft smart quotes" i've tried googling and such, the best I could come up with was using \x92 or \222 but it doesn't seem to work |
| 22:46.16 | Anthro | nook: Debian has more packages available, which has been an issue for me. YMMV |
| 22:46.17 | ircx | ?? |
| 22:46.27 | zorgy | i mean the buttons/tabs that appear when you open a window |
| 22:46.33 | beardy | nook: If your friends arguments doesn't make sense, stick with what you like yourself instead. |
| 22:46.43 | Anthro | zorgy: What desktop? |
| 22:46.47 | freebse | Anthro: actually it is related to grub, but I kept asking for hours in #grub so I gave up :) |
| 22:46.49 | nook | ok, i will |
| 22:47.03 | Anthro | freebse: Well, that isn't any reason to ask here. |
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| 22:47.30 | dvm | I have some troubles to setup 'xfree86' on my old P1 with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', i try to run a graphical environment. How i must be look to find out what are the trouble ? |
| 22:47.39 | Anthro | ircx: Do you want to search for them rather than just changing them? |
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| 22:48.09 | sandman | How much of an impact does running software in a chroot have? |
| 22:48.11 | zorgy | on gnome desktop |
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| 22:48.29 | Anthro | zorgy: Sorry, I use KDE. |
| 22:48.35 | freebse | Anthro: so how do I get to boot MacOSX directly from gryb, it does not recognize HFS and can not boot it in any way... te only sollution is to boot it with a patch from an USB stick with WinDOS Bootmanager :) |
| 22:48.48 | iarenaza | sandman none on performance |
| 22:48.52 | zorgy | i think it has something to do with unloaded applets |
| 22:48.58 | Anthro | freebse: Dunno. I boot OSX on PPC. |
| 22:49.02 | zorgy | but i don't know where to reload them |
| 22:49.14 | freebse | Anthro: and this sucks, because the USB stick is 1GB and I could use it for womething else |
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| 22:49.36 | dvm | How i can find how many memory there are on the video card ? |
| 22:49.38 | sandman | Does tar store permissions by default? |
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| 22:49.45 | ircx | Anthro, I need to search and change manually |
| 22:49.53 | iarenaza | sandman yes it does. |
| 22:49.57 | sandman | excellent. |
| 22:49.58 | Anthro | sandman: Check out the o and p options |
| 22:49.59 | ClamIAm | is there a way to use chmod recursively to change all the files but not the directories? |
| 22:50.00 | beardy | dvm: Google, use the model of your card. |
| 22:50.00 | sandman | I love *nix |
| 22:50.09 | Anthro | ircx: Why change manually? |
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| 22:50.22 | iarenaza | ClamIAm use find + chmod |
| 22:50.30 | ClamIAm | iarenaza, thanks |
| 22:50.40 | sandman | So basically tar cvfj <archive> <files>, then tar xvfjp to extract with permissions |
| 22:50.41 | ircx | Anthro, because the changes may effect stuff. this is programming code. |
| 22:50.48 | Anthro | ClamIAm: find . -type f -print0 | xargs chmod <perm> |
| 22:50.52 | Anthro | ClamIAm: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod <perm> |
| 22:50.53 | dvm | beardy: That i already do it, but that give me not many information, currently continueing looking on Google, but i not find the information |
| 22:50.57 | freebse | Anthro: I think it goy something to do with using an IDE and SATA at the same time, when I remove one of them it works |
| 22:51.02 | benjamindees | dvm, what resolution & color depth are you using in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 22:51.10 | Anthro | freebse: Eh, who needs both? |
| 22:51.13 | dvm | beardy: Is there not a command ? |
| 22:51.22 | ircx | Anthro, changing a stupid microsoft smart quote to a single quote may kill a quoted string in a line of code. so I need to check before changing |
| 22:51.27 | owner | no ones using xfree86 benja |
| 22:51.36 | freebse | Anthro: 2 HD |
| 22:51.49 | dvm | benjamindees: I have try all, also the minimal 640x480 1depth |
| 22:51.50 | freebse | Anthro: there are reasons for that |
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| 22:51.58 | Anthro | ircx: Oh, yuck. |
| 22:52.12 | dvm | benjamindees: But none of these would work, |
| 22:52.16 | beardy | dvm: Not that I know of. You could see what lspci give you, but I doubt it says anything about that. What card do you have? |
| 22:52.18 | Anthro | ircx: Do it in gvim. |
| 22:52.18 | freebse | Anthro: but it is ok, I will never find out and remove one |
| 22:52.26 | freebse | Anthro: no problem |
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| 22:52.41 | dvm | beardy: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 54) |
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| 22:52.58 | ircx | Anthro, I don't have it. thats why I want to use egrep |
| 22:53.11 | ircx | Anthro, I'm only looking for the soloution I asked for. |
| 22:53.12 | dvm | benjamindees: I'm not sure that it's the video card that cause the problem, i think it but not sure |
| 22:53.16 | Adi_1 | Hi, I would like to ask you something. Is there any difference between red hat console and debian console ? |
| 22:53.25 | nownott | ok have dumb question, i want debian for 64bit machine is tehre really 15 cd's to download |
| 22:53.29 | ircx | Anthro, though I appreciate your suggestiong |
| 22:53.33 | ircx | suggestions |
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| 22:54.05 | beardy | dvm: I'd guess 16MB, but why do you have to know? Just press enter if you are running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 22:54.11 | ISV-Kran | there's no dvd isos for amd64? |
| 22:54.41 | Anthro | nownott: No, not if the machine will be net-connected. You will need one CD for the base install, then install whatever additional packages you choose from the net. |
| 22:54.44 | benjamindees | dvm, can you post the output of /var/log/XFree86.0.log someplace or in #flood ? |
| 22:54.54 | nownott | ahhh i see |
| 22:54.55 | freebse | Anthem: b.t.w. #MacosX was not a good point to start with :) LOL |
| 22:55.17 | nownott | so i all i need is cd one, and if connected to the net then i should be able to download all i need at the apporiate times? |
| 22:55.25 | Anthro | nownott: Correct |
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| 22:56.13 | dvm | beardy, benjamindees : While use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', whe can specifie the amount of the RAM of the video card, in the /var/log/XFree86.0.log i had read that he complain about to less memory, so i would like to infor (eventually) that there are more memory |
| 22:56.13 | nownott | ok can i ask why debian or fedora? what are the positives |
| 22:56.30 | owner | dvm you should upgrade to xorg |
| 22:56.37 | owner | xfree86 is old |
| 22:56.56 | dvm | owner: Should that help me ? |
| 22:57.10 | benjamindees | owner, he has an old machine |
| 22:57.11 | shoxy | sry could be a foolish question: but how to open a cfg-file in a fresh installed debian bash ? |
| 22:57.12 | owner | probably |
| 22:57.16 | nownott | anyone have a legit answer for my question |
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| 22:57.44 | loxley | shoxy: nano, vi |
| 22:57.53 | shoxy | thank you ;-) |
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| 22:58.14 | benjamindees | nownott, why debian versus fedora? you don't have to upgrade as often |
| 22:58.14 | mastah | Question: how can I register a device in /dev/ ? (My CD is not not present as /dev/hda nor /dev/hdc nor /dev/sda nor /dev/sdb), so I can't find it... |
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| 22:58.46 | Anthro | nownott: Fedora, like Redhat, tries to sweep too much under the rug. When the clicky-clicky system administration tools fail you, the Fedora/Redhat config files are undocumented and perversely hard to read/modify. |
| 22:58.50 | beardy | owner: xorg is not in sarge, do not tell people to upgrade to unstable. |
| 22:58.55 | Anthro | dvm: gpm |
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| 22:58.58 | benjamindees | dvm, gdm |
| 22:59.18 | useruser | is there a program in debian that provides a web interface to mysql? i think i ran it but i've forgotten the name |
| 22:59.21 | benjamindees | dvm, oops, gpm |
| 22:59.39 | loxley | useruser: phpmyadmin |
| 22:59.44 | cisse | beardy: 6.8 is in testing =P |
| 22:59.45 | useruser | loxley: thanks |
| 22:59.55 | cisse | useruser: phpmyadmin |
| 23:00.00 | beardy | cisse: Was he running testing? |
| 23:00.13 | dvm | Anthro, benjamindees : gpm ? With the mouse clicks ? Its a long file /var/log/xfree86.0.log |
| 23:00.15 | dr1v3r | guys i receive an error while trying to start my firewall, It says permission denied, I am root, any ideas/ |
| 23:00.28 | cisse | beardy: not a clue, wasn't helping him =D |
| 23:00.45 | Anthro | dvm: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:00.49 | beardy | cisse: Then why does it matter if something of some version is in testing? |
| 23:01.04 | benjamindees | dvm, ftp it to ftp.deesconsulting.com |
| 23:01.11 | cisse | beardy: it probably doesn't i was just pointing that out |
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| 23:01.29 | cisse | not to mention most people run a stable/testing mix |
| 23:01.42 | beardy | cisse: Most people are morons then. |
| 23:01.43 | dvm | Anthro: Copy '/var/log/xfree86.0.log' from a console to paste it in pastebin |
| 23:01.50 | cisse | beardy: this is true |
| 23:02.20 | Anthro | dvm: Mm. Surely there is a text-based browser that will let you edit a textarea in an external editor. |
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| 23:02.24 | owner | xfree86.com dvm |
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| 23:02.34 | owner | in the faq |
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| 23:03.56 | beardy | dvm: Which X driver are you using? |
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| 23:04.19 | dvm | beardy: i have try the vesa, vga and the s3 |
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| 23:04.52 | owner | dvm which video card do you have? |
| 23:05.03 | dvm | failling in copy an many text in a console to paste it in pastebin. Some tips |
| 23:05.30 | beardy | dvm: And it didn't work with vesa? |
| 23:05.33 | dvm | owner: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] (rev 54) |
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| 23:05.43 | benjamindees | many of the old s3 cards are not vesa 2.0 compliant |
| 23:05.52 | dvm | beardy: no :-( Bad news ? |
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| 23:06.31 | dvm | beardy: /var/log/xfree86.0.log there are some line that say that there are not enougth memory |
| 23:06.37 | freebse | you should maybe go with an old version of xfree86 |
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| 23:07.15 | Anthro | Holy crap it worked! |
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| 23:07.27 | patric | dpkg ssh |
| 23:07.27 | dpkg | [ssh] Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client |
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| 23:07.29 | owner | dvm look at this http://www.s3graphics.com/en/resources/drivers/legacy/software_archive.jsp |
| 23:07.32 | beardy | dvm: benjamindees is probably correct in what he said above, so that probably is why it's not working. |
| 23:07.40 | owner | s3 has some legacy xfree86 driver |
| 23:07.47 | patric | dpkg tell patric about ssh |
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| 23:08.05 | patric | dpkg tell patric about sshx |
| 23:08.20 | dvm | owner, beardy : many thanks, i look the website there ;-) |
| 23:08.22 | benjamindees | but the s3 driver should work; I have it working on a machine here with the Trio 64 chipset |
| 23:08.26 | Anthro | Holy crap it worked! |
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| 23:08.39 | beardy | dvm: IIRC there is a special xserver for S3. Perhaps that is worth a try, if you don't have another card to use instead. |
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| 23:08.43 | jjazz_ | !tell patric about selftell |
| 23:09.33 | beardy | benjamindees: Without any troubles or something special you've done? |
| 23:10.24 | benjamindees | beardy, I'm not sure exactly; it was a while ago and the machine is unplugged for now |
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| 23:11.03 | lehel | hello |
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| 23:11.27 | lehel | i've a rack (with WD 160G) through USB2, can i mount it? |
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| 23:12.58 | nkuttler | lehel: a usb hd? sure |
| 23:13.12 | lehel | nkuttler: help me, how? |
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| 23:13.37 | nkuttler | lehel: look at the dmesg output which device it is |
| 23:13.48 | owner | !smite everyone |
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| 23:14.46 | justin__ | is there a way that i can force a drive to unmount |
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| 23:14.48 | justin__ | ? |
| 23:14.51 | m4lu6 | ! |
| 23:15.11 | nkuttler | justin__: why would you want to do that? |
| 23:15.20 | lehel | nkuttler: "USB Mass Storage device found at 2" .. "usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage" .. "USB Mass Storage support registered" |
| 23:15.22 | dvm | beardy, owner : I not understand what i must be do now, i have read the web page there. |
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| 23:15.37 | dondelelcaro | justin__: no. You can umount it lazily, which means that it's unmounted from the filesystem, but it will stick around until the open FD descriptors go away |
| 23:15.40 | beardy | justin__: Find out what's using it, and make it stop. |
| 23:15.51 | lehel | nkuttler: what's next? |
| 23:15.53 | cmatheson | i have multiple domains all pointing to the same ip address. i have SSL certificates for all 3 domains, but when i go to the website, it pops up a warning saying the domain returned secruity information for the other domain... is it not possible to have multipledomains/ssl certs like this? |
| 23:15.58 | justin__ | nkuttler cause i want to add a drive to my lvm and it wont let me do that till its unmounted |
| 23:16.05 | justin__ | beardy and i do that how? |
| 23:16.10 | nkuttler | lehel: hm, cat /proc/partitions. if you have to ask it's probably /dev/sda |
| 23:16.32 | DeeJay^ | isnt '00 00 * * * <commands>' every night at 00:00 ? |
| 23:16.52 | nkuttler | DeeJay^: man 5 crontab |
| 23:17.01 | dvm | beardy, owner : So would my video card not work in Debian ? |
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| 23:17.22 | lehel | nkuttler: ! thanks works fine |
| 23:17.25 | DeeJay^ | nkuttler i didnt ask for the manuel to get into crontab, i ask because i'm so called 'number blind' so i dont know wtf those numbers means |
| 23:17.32 | owner | dvm i have s3 savage working on a laptop with debian unstable |
| 23:17.39 | beardy | dvm: Try the s3 driver again. |
| 23:17.58 | nkuttler | DeeJay^: what is number blind? |
| 23:18.03 | beardy | DeeJay^: Then you don't know what 00:00 means either. |
| 23:18.15 | Lord_Athur | what program is made with c++ for the terminal? |
| 23:18.26 | Lord_Athur | is there one easy to modify? |
| 23:18.29 | beardy | Lord_Athur: Lots. |
| 23:18.32 | nkuttler | justin__: lsof | grep device |
| 23:18.39 | dvm | owner, beardy: i do not stop trying it, but none working. So must i switcht to xorg, like somebody here has say ? |
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| 23:18.51 | beardy | !wiui justin__ |
| 23:18.51 | dpkg | justin__: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 23:19.04 | diesel | !2006 key |
| 23:19.04 | dpkg | methinks 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 23:19.05 | shoxy | how to cancel loop in bash ? |
| 23:19.08 | DeeJay^ | beardy i know the clock |
| 23:19.26 | beardy | DeeJay^: The clock is numbers too? |
| 23:19.39 | Lord_Athur | beardy, do you know about one easy to modify? |
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| 23:19.56 | DeeJay^ | 'number blindess' is when certain numbers is seen or calculations |
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| 23:20.28 | dvm | shoxy: C-c ? |
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| 23:20.43 | ccg | how to make a copy of my hdd's MBR ? |
| 23:20.46 | justin__ | lsof doesnt list anything for it |
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| 23:21.05 | nkuttler | DeeJay^: man 5 crontab. even if you are 'number blind' (wtf?) |
| 23:21.09 | Shaun | what provides syscall.h |
| 23:21.17 | DeeJay^ | Was even a mistake to get on this network |
| 23:21.19 | juice` | is there any way to see changelog of debian packages other than thru packages.debian.org? (which is down) |
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| 23:21.34 | beardy | eh.. |
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| 23:21.44 | benjamindees | ccg, dd if=/dev/hdX of=output count=512 bs=1 |
| 23:21.54 | stew | ccg: "dd if=/dev/hda of=/somefile bs=512 count=1" where hda is your hard drive (could be hdb hdc sda?) and somefile is where to write the data to |
| 23:22.14 | shoxy | is there any ctrl+? combination to stop procedure exceptional loops ??^ |
| 23:22.26 | owner | ctrl+C ? |
| 23:22.31 | beardy | shoxy: Ctrl-c, as you were told. |
| 23:22.41 | AlienX | is there a readme with respect to text not showing up in macromedia flash sites? I'm currently running sid with flash player 7. |
| 23:22.47 | stew | dpkg: backup mbr is "dd if=/dev/hda of=/somefile bs=512 count=1" where hda is your hard drive (could be hdb hdc sda?) and somefile is where to write the data to |
| 23:22.47 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 23:22.54 | shoxy | dont know what C-C is ... thougt a nice smily ^ |
| 23:22.59 | shoxy | thank you ^ |
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| 23:23.12 | beardy | shoxy: Ok, fair enough. |
| 23:23.40 | juice` | is there any way to see changelog of debian packages other than thru packages.debian.org? (which is down) |
| 23:23.54 | beardy | !docs |
| 23:23.54 | dpkg | docs is probably before asking in here, *please* read the available documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, man packagename, and http://linuxdoc.org/, or some packages have separat doc packages (e.g. bash-doc), or try the 'info' system |
| 23:24.16 | juice` | packages, which i don't have installed yet |
| 23:24.22 | beardy | In there, Changelog is often found aswell. |
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| 23:25.13 | juice` | beardy: what about packages which i don't have installed on my system yet |
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| 23:25.26 | lehel | hey.. me again |
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| 23:25.52 | lehel | i want to another terminal then "xterm" .. which one? |
| 23:25.57 | lehel | *to use |
| 23:26.09 | patric | thx jjazz_ |
| 23:26.25 | beardy | lehel: There are lots, aterm, wterm, rxvt, gnome-terminal, konsole, and so on. |
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| 23:27.08 | common | gnome-terminal |
| 23:27.12 | common | you can tab it |
| 23:27.14 | beardy | juice`: Good question. Which package? |
| 23:27.15 | common | like firefox |
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| 23:27.35 | juice` | beardy: many :) just want to know the way, so i can do it myself :) |
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| 23:27.38 | benjamindees | dvm, xorg probably won't help you. switching to woody would be a better idea |
| 23:28.00 | benjamindees | dvm, can you put the X log someplace? |
| 23:28.04 | juice` | beardy: right now apache2-mpm-prefork, but i will have another one in a while, and another and another, don't want to ask everybody to check some package for me :) |
| 23:28.04 | beardy | juice`: Perhaps Google has it cached.. other than that I don't really know.. |
| 23:28.55 | benjamindees | dvm, or, maybe try the vesa driver with 640x480 and 8 bit depth |
| 23:28.58 | dvm | benjamindees: Is that not to old 'woody' ? Yes i would like to paste the output of it, but i can find a solution to copy and paste many text from a console trought a ssh connection. |
| 23:29.13 | juice` | beardy: :| there must be a way to check changelog without installing them |
| 23:29.31 | dvm | benjamindees: i have try that, but not work, im have also try i with 1 depth i case of, but fail |
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| 23:29.51 | beardy | juice`: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/apache2-mpm-prefork it's only the search function that is down, IIRC. So you can just type the url yourself, for the packages you need. |
| 23:29.59 | phaedral | hi all |
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| 23:30.23 | m4lu6 | apt-listchanges |
| 23:30.59 | phaedral | wanna get samba going; don't really grok it; lots of howtos to choose from; will give beer for clue |
| 23:31.47 | juice` | beardy: oh. thanks |
| 23:32.08 | benjamindees | what's the bot thingy to show what package is on what cd? |
| 23:32.20 | phaedral | what i'm trying to do is get winamp on my XP box use files on my sarge box |
| 23:32.38 | phaedral | so, first off, that's a samba trick, right? |
| 23:32.47 | m4lu6 | mmm. pxe install o'debian, doesn't get any better |
| 23:32.50 | owner | !smite you |
| 23:36.00 | dr1v3r | anyone tell me what the command is to check if a certain package is installed onto the system please? |
| 23:36.04 | owner | !ubuntu |
| 23:36.05 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 23:36.15 | nkuttler | phaedral: you can use samba for that, yes. read this howto: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba3-HOWTO/ |
| 23:36.23 | phaedral | !beer nkuttler |
| 23:36.31 | Bucciarati | dr1v3r: dpkg -l package_name |
| 23:36.35 | dr1v3r | tx |
| 23:36.59 | azeem | owner: who was that !ubuntu for? |
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| 23:37.21 | owner | !smite azeem |
| 23:37.30 | azeem | owner: please stop abusing the bot |
| 23:37.37 | owner | okay |
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| 23:39.42 | beardy | juice`: I'm not sure that really helped you, can you get to the changelog? |
| 23:40.03 | owner | !beat me |
| 23:40.08 | ccg | benjamindees ccg, dd if=/dev/hdX of=output count=512 bs=1 |
| 23:40.08 | ccg | stew ccg: "dd if=/dev/hda of=/somefile bs=512 count=1" <-- contradiction here |
| 23:40.09 | owner | cool |
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| 23:40.32 | ccg | count = 1 or 512 ? |
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| 23:40.55 | azeem | ccg: it's both 1*512 |
| 23:41.08 | astronut_ | hmm, will cron still run if a user's shell is /bin/false? |
| 23:41.11 | ccg | ah oki |
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| 23:41.32 | strider | hmm, anyone getting the 2006 gpg key problem? |
| 23:41.42 | _rene_ | RTF topic |
| 23:41.49 | Bucciarati | strider: it's in teh topic |
| 23:41.57 | strider | even with apt 0.6.43.2 |
| 23:42.10 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 23:42.23 | elephantMan | Is there a way in vim to delete all duplicate lines |
| 23:42.23 | strider | it should include it right? |
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| 23:43.04 | Bucciarati | elephantMan: :'<,'>!sort -u |
| 23:43.22 | Bucciarati | elephantMan: #vim anyways |
| 23:44.19 | ccg | can it be that xterm doesnt work in etch ? |
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| 23:45.09 | nkuttler | ccg: doesn't work? |
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| 23:45.58 | gl1tchy0ne | Hey can someone give me the URL of a "good" working walkthrough of customer compile of a kernel.org kernel? |
| 23:45.59 | nkuttler | ccg: bugs.debian.org/xterm is probably a good place to start |
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| 23:46.10 | gl1tchy0ne | *custom |
| 23:46.19 | nkuttler | gl1tchy0ne: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 23:48.35 | m4lu6 | hmm. where is my crontab stored? |
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| 23:48.47 | swatikiss | I used to see pdf file icons as previews in gnome... but something happened. how can i get this back? |
| 23:48.49 | elephantMan | Bucciarati, ok thanx a lot |
| 23:49.02 | gl1tchy0ne | um /msg dpkg kp comes back with error... |
| 23:49.30 | nefertum | mmm, i'm trying to access to a ntfs partition, and I only can using root user |
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| 23:49.44 | nefertum | with other user i can mount it, but i can read it (not privileges) |
| 23:49.51 | stew | gl1tchy0ne: type it into your irc client |
| 23:49.53 | rutski89 | Why won't /usr/bin/mail send mail to my gmail account? |
| 23:50.02 | nkuttler | gl1tchy0ne: what error? |
| 23:50.05 | beardy | !vfatrw |
| 23:50.05 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 23:50.15 | beardy | gliIn your irc client.. |
| 23:50.16 | stew | nkuttler: i'm guessing /msg: no such command or filename |
| 23:50.22 | nkuttler | stew: doh! |
| 23:50.42 | threat | Morning |
| 23:50.47 | Azar | dvm are you still here? |
| 23:51.01 | nkuttler | gl1tchy0ne: type it in this window |
| 23:51.02 | gl1tchy0ne | uh says 'dpkg No such Nick/ Channel' |
| 23:51.05 | dvm | Azar: Yes :-) |
| 23:51.12 | nkuttler | dpkg: hello |
| 23:51.13 | dpkg | privet, nkuttler |
| 23:51.19 | Azar | dvm dont go woody stay with sarge and try this |
| 23:51.20 | stew | !tell gl1tchy0ne about kp |
| 23:51.31 | gl1tchy0ne | thanks stew that worked |
| 23:51.40 | Azar | run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change the color depth from 24 to 16 |
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| 23:51.42 | azeem | Azar: don't go woody? |
| 23:51.44 | Azar | see if it works |
| 23:51.52 | azeem | oh |
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| 23:52.08 | Azar | azeem is a xfree86 version that borks there, not sarge |
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| 23:52.49 | dvm | Azar: i have already try it in 26 depth color, but without an result, i try in now again, wish video driver suggest you ? |
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| 23:53.24 | Azar | dvm I said 16 |
| 23:53.26 | dvm | Azar: s/26/16 |
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| 23:53.36 | dvm | Azar: ;-) |
| 23:53.59 | Bangers | quick vi question :) if i have two lines, how do I get rid of the CR at end of line 1? (aka. copy line2 end of line1 then delete line2) |
| 23:54.25 | Azar | dvm this is the issue: either woody or sarge does not matter the latest xfree86 version will not handle correctly your video but only at 16 |
| 23:54.51 | Azar | dvm again what exactly is the error you got? |
| 23:55.07 | gl1tchy0ne | cool thanks for you help stew and nkuttler I will try it |
| 23:55.07 | dvm | Azar: no enought memory ... |
| 23:55.32 | dvm | Azar: With wich video drive i must retest it ? vesa, vga, s3 ? |
| 23:55.41 | Azar | dvm is going in powersave ? |
| 23:55.46 | Azar | your monitor I mean |
| 23:55.51 | ccg | how to specify an ibm usb non optical mouse in xorg.conf |
| 23:56.08 | owner | the new vesafb driver may help dvm |
| 23:56.26 | dvm | Azar: i not good understand it |
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| 23:56.52 | eeyore- | out of curiosity, has someone looked into how easy/hard it is to crack/defeat/circumvent the following crypto package: (1) bestcrypt and (2) kernel's dm-crypt ? |
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| 23:56.58 | dvm | owner: How i could i get these driver ? |
| 23:57.10 | owner | dvm in a newer kernel |
| 23:57.10 | eeyore- | my personal feeling is it'd be hard to defeat (2), but not so sure about the commercial (1) |
| 23:57.11 | owner | http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ |
| 23:57.28 | beardy | dvm: He had one point though, try the s3 driver, with colordepth 16. |
| 23:57.39 | beardy | owner: This is not #gentoo. |
| 23:57.51 | owner | beardy that kernel patch is not gentoo specific |
| 23:58.06 | dvm | beardy: ok, the 's3' where i was waiting for the driver name :-) |
| 23:58.15 | eeyore- | beardy: vesafb-tng is pretty nice |
| 23:58.16 | Azar | dvm are you using gnome or kde ? |
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| 23:58.26 | dvm | Azar: openbox |
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| 23:58.42 | dvm | Azar: At this stage, nothing in X |
| 23:58.42 | eeyore- | beardy: uses bios calls to change vesa display modes, safely |
| 23:58.52 | Azar | ok... looking |
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| 23:59.03 | eeyore- | but it does need vbe 3.0 at least |
| 23:59.24 | beardy | eeyore-: I don't see why that would help, or has anything to do with his problem. |
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| 23:59.39 | eeyore- | beardy: just commenting on your "this is not gentoo" |
| 23:59.46 | beardy | eeyore-: Ok. |
| 23:59.50 | beniamino | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.57 | dvm | The identifier for the video card, set i there 'Generic Video Card' ? or the result of lspci and the video card. i have tested with all possibilitys and now im little bit out |
