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| 00:00.35 | concept10 | What app do you guys use for FTP? |
| 00:00.53 | dondelelcaro | concept10: lftp |
| 00:01.03 | g0bl1n | would "NE2000" be my card |
| 00:01.12 | dondelelcaro | (when we don't talk FTP directly using telnet) |
| 00:01.20 | Matt-H | g0bl1n: NE2000 is a network card, yes |
| 00:01.39 | g0bl1n | hm, i didnt see that in the debian installation, but i see |
| 00:03.07 | grinder | valdyn: so netselect-apt allows me to find the fastest source from my home network's perspective? |
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| 00:04.06 | SimAtWork | concept10: konqueror (ftp:// |
| 00:04.17 | SimAtWork | concept10: or just "ftp"from command line |
| 00:04.28 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, SimAtWork thanks. |
| 00:05.00 | llama32 | what's the name of that library for GUI-ish interfaces in a terminal? stupid memory. |
| 00:05.19 | benjamindees | llama32, ncurses |
| 00:05.27 | llama32 | ahh, thanks :) |
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| 00:07.00 | grinder | valdyn: ahh that made a huge difference, thanks |
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| 00:10.06 | Skarmeth | hi all |
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| 00:11.22 | sasha2 | hello |
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| 00:12.08 | sasha2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:12.43 | tedizz | gnome is .... |
| 00:12.45 | tedizz | scary |
| 00:12.48 | DevilChaos | hi where can i find the lsmod? |
| 00:12.56 | DevilChaos | maybe silly question |
| 00:13.03 | benjamindees | sasha2, failing cd drive? |
| 00:13.32 | Azar | improperly burned iso? |
| 00:13.33 | benjamindees | DevilChaos, /bin/lsmod |
| 00:13.50 | DevilChaos | ah same for all distros then? |
| 00:14.01 | benjamindees | DevilChaos, no, but for Debian... |
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| 00:14.19 | DevilChaos | im trying to do lsmod | grep irc |
| 00:14.28 | sasha2 | its a dvdwriter i use to install debian with |
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| 00:14.35 | DevilChaos | and im getting nothing |
| 00:14.35 | sasha2 | and it is work properly |
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| 00:14.53 | Azar | sasha2: so you got the dvd images? |
| 00:14.56 | benjamindees | DevilChaos, what are you expecting exactly? |
| 00:15.03 | DevilChaos | dunno |
| 00:15.03 | sasha2 | i have the netinstall image |
| 00:15.29 | DevilChaos | im getting help in shorewall thats what someone told me to do and they said it should work |
| 00:15.50 | Azar | cd / dvd ... |
| 00:16.10 | sasha2 | the drive can read cd |
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| 00:17.09 | Azar | sasha2: ok maybe the iso isnt burned correctly somehow... it happened to me was maddening so I just ordered the CD set |
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| 00:17.28 | invsblduck | heya ya' apt-getters :) |
| 00:17.47 | Azar | I destroyed 27 CDs trying to burn the Debian ISO |
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| 00:18.59 | beardy | Azar: At what speed did you burn them? |
| 00:19.07 | Azar | I am really really donkey when it comes to backups, burning... not very CD/DVD oriented |
| 00:19.21 | oleczek | do you know any potato deb pkg sources that have kde1 available? |
| 00:19.23 | Azar | beardy I do not remember because never in my life I burned a CD before |
| 00:19.30 | zinx | Azar: sounds like a pretty bad cd writer |
| 00:19.32 | Azar | and after that fiasco, I gave up |
| 00:19.40 | zinx | Azar: or a pretty severe PEBKAC problem :D |
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| 00:19.48 | Azar | zinx, brand new Plextor |
| 00:20.06 | Azar | zinx I cannot learn burning CDs I am simply an idiot |
| 00:20.08 | zinx | Azar: it's either bad media or a bad drive.. brand new drives are actually more suspect |
| 00:20.20 | beardy | Azar: Just burn slow, burning one correct disc at 4x or 8x is better than a heap of bad ones in the same time. |
| 00:20.29 | SimAtWork | Azar: 27 cds? |
| 00:20.31 | SimAtWork | holy crap man |
| 00:20.35 | Azar | yep |
| 00:20.41 | SimAtWork | tha's like half a landfill |
| 00:20.45 | SimAtWork | no dinner for you! |
| 00:20.46 | zinx | you'd think someone would get the idea after two, even if they were new to it :) |
| 00:20.54 | Azar | all I know is to put the CD in and look at content/play but burning is a nightmare for me |
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| 00:21.18 | zinx | Azar: try nautilus's junk? though, i dunno how well it works for burning ISOs |
| 00:21.30 | benjamindees | I've heard some of the new media (40-52x) actually burns best at fast speeds instead of slow ones |
| 00:21.38 | SerajewelKS | woot, nvidia 8178 made it to testing |
| 00:21.44 | Azar | zinx I am not even able to understand Nero on other systems... tried but cant understand |
| 00:21.44 | zinx | benjamindees: usually it's best to burn at the speed it's rated at |
| 00:21.59 | zinx | benjamindees: go too far either way (faster *or* slower), and you'll get a coaster |
| 00:22.33 | beardy | zinx: So what is the "rated" value if it says for example "up to 52x"? |
| 00:22.35 | Azar | I guess I will need a manual for tards... |
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| 00:23.17 | Farris1 | how do you make a bash for loop ignore whitespace and only separate by newlines? |
| 00:23.47 | valdyn | Farris1: you want to do WHAT ? |
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| 00:24.36 | dondelelcaro | Farris1: this sounds like you really want to be using find -print0|xargs -0; instead of whatever it is that you're doing. |
| 00:24.49 | beardy | Farris1: By using something that cares at all, if told, about whitespace and newlines. awk, sed, and so on. |
| 00:25.05 | zinx | beardy: 52x :D |
| 00:25.14 | zinx | beardy: but 48x will probably work |
| 00:25.23 | zinx | beardy: 24x is pushing it |
| 00:25.32 | kspath | Farris1: read up on the tr command man tr |
| 00:25.44 | zinx | beardy: you'll probably get a coaster at 12x and below |
| 00:25.48 | beardy | zinx: Anything below 52x is fine if that is what it says, in my book.. |
| 00:25.50 | Farris1 | I've got a file that contains a list of filenames, newline separated. I want to do an md5sum of each file, so I'm doing "for item in `cat listfile`; do md5sum $item; done". But some of the filenames have whitespace in them, so it's throwing off the for loop |
| 00:25.52 | kspath | Farris1: tr does not apply now but you will likely need/want it someday |
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| 00:26.12 | zinx | beardy: burn it at 8x and tell me if it's not a coaster ;) |
| 00:26.22 | valdyn | Farris1: while read i; do someshiton $i; done < filename |
| 00:26.38 | valdyn | Farris1: while read i; do someshiton $i; done < filenamelist |
| 00:26.53 | kspath | Farris1: that will read line by line |
| 00:27.13 | Farris1 | valdyn: That should work... thanks |
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| 00:28.25 | zinx | Farris1: IFS='\n'; for item in $(cat listfile); do md5sum "$item"; done |
| 00:28.33 | zinx | Farris1: in a script, and replace the \n with an actual newline |
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| 00:28.50 | Farris1 | zinx: That's what I was looking for, but I think the while/read will do better, thanks |
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| 00:29.19 | Farris1 | Wow, that was the quickest, most thorough, and most helpful response I've ever gotten out of #debian! :) kudos, Gs |
| 00:29.20 | zinx | Farris1: always better to have another way, i guess :) |
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| 00:29.29 | valdyn | Farris1: mind, use " around $i if you have spaces in those filenames |
| 00:29.35 | kspath | Farris1: if you are doing a lot of stuff like that than perl/python is are good tools |
| 00:29.54 | zinx | Farris1: people tend to be more likely to help with the things that aren't immediatly obvious |
| 00:30.13 | Farris1 | valdyn: Ack, actually, the read separates by newlines as well... I'll change the IFS |
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| 00:30.32 | kspath | Farris1: he says " because ' will give it $variable instead of the variable contents |
| 00:30.46 | beniamino | trying to secure my system. did 'apt-get remove rsh-server', but netstat shows inetutils-inet listening on the rshell, rexec ports. what did i do wrong? |
| 00:31.01 | Farris1 | valdyn: Oh, ok... I'll use " |
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| 00:31.34 | goldenaura | hi there. i am having a little problem with swap. i have 2 harddisks, in a RAID1 system and the swap partitions are not in RAID but using pri=1. But it seems that only one disk is using the swap partition, the other one is not. Probably it is better if i show fstab + sfdisk results... |
| 00:31.36 | zinx | Farris1: the "s around the variable are important; without it, it gets chopped up by the IFS (though, with the IFS set like that, it won't be.. still good practice to use "s when you mean to) |
| 00:31.58 | goldenaura | my disk A: /dev/hda1 0+ 60 61- 489951 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 00:32.02 | Azar | beniamino: maybe you need to reboot? |
| 00:32.08 | Farris1 | Thanks all, looks like I'm getting the results I want now |
| 00:32.19 | Farris1 | Now to let this damn script sit and stew over the weekend |
| 00:33.17 | goldenaura | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.18 | beardy | !reboot |
| 00:33.18 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 00:33.18 | beniamino | Azar: are you serious? |
| 00:33.18 | goldenaura | ups |
| 00:33.18 | benjamindees | beniamino, /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 00:33.18 | goldenaura | here it goes, diskA: /dev/hda3 36291 36480 190 1526175 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 00:33.18 | Azar | beardy he removed the rsh-server but the process is still running/loaded? |
| 00:33.24 | beardy | Azar: See above. |
| 00:33.26 | goldenaura | diskC: /dev/hdc3 36291 36480 190 1526175 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 00:33.33 | Azar | ah restart.. |
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| 00:34.02 | goldenaura | and the fstab /dev/hda3 none swap sw,pri=1 0 0 and /dev/hdc3 none swap sw,pri=1 0 0 |
| 00:34.05 | beniamino | benjamindees: yeah, done that a few times. maybe i just have to wait for somthing to time out? |
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| 00:34.32 | goldenaura | and when i do "free" i have this result: Swap: 1526164 0 1526164 |
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| 00:34.53 | benjamindees | beniamino, or inetutils-inetd rather |
| 00:34.59 | amonkey | is there a channel for the amd64 port of debian? |
| 00:35.09 | beardy | beniamino: Why was rsh-server installed in the first place? Out of curiosity.. |
| 00:35.27 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 00:35.27 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 00:36.31 | benjamindees | beniamino, comment it out in the config file, /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 00:36.33 | beniamino | beardy: because someone (!me) trusts our firewall mumble mumble |
| 00:36.51 | amonkey | when it says consider using i386, i386 will run on a turion? |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:37.05 | beniamino | benjamindees: restarting inetutils-inetd did the trick, cheers |
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| 00:37.17 | abrotman | amonkey: there are somethings that don't work yet in pure64 |
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| 00:37.37 | grendal_prime | anyone have problems with fonts in flash player? |
| 00:37.58 | grendal_prime | this seems rediculas but even the settings dialog seems to require some font i dont have |
| 00:38.02 | applejax33 | back again |
| 00:38.05 | wt | where are the security updates for unstable amd64? They don't seem to be on secruity.debian.org like the other archs |
| 00:38.08 | abrotman | ridiculous |
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| 00:38.16 | wt | of course I meant testing |
| 00:38.19 | wt | not unstable |
| 00:38.20 | abrotman | grendal_prime: oh . i have that problem |
| 00:38.22 | applejax33 | anyone know the max hd sapce debian can handle? |
| 00:38.28 | abrotman | !tell wt about testing security |
| 00:38.36 | wt | applejax33: depends on hardware |
| 00:38.37 | beardy | beniamino: Ok, good that you aren't trusting it anymore, you do know about ssh? |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | wt: not sure if that covers amd64 .. perhaps ask #debian-amd64 |
| 00:38.51 | applejax33 | trying to make raid 0 |
| 00:38.52 | wt | applejax33: I think 144PB is the max for the software |
| 00:38.52 | abrotman | applejax33: many variables |
| 00:39.00 | CompWizrd | applejax33: i'm going to find out soon enough, hoping i can boot off a 4 TB array |
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| 00:39.10 | abrotman | filesystem/controller/kernel/etc |
| 00:39.16 | wt | thanks |
| 00:39.24 | grendal_prime | abrotman, any solution known to the linux world? |
| 00:39.30 | abrotman | grendal_prime: don't use flash ? |
| 00:39.31 | applejax33 | i am running 2 raid 5 1.7999 TB drives that i am trying to raid 0 |
| 00:39.36 | wt | CompWizrd: you can't boot off of raid0 |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | yes you can .. |
| 00:39.52 | CompWizrd | wt: wouldn't be doing raid0, and wouldn't be doing software raid anyways |
| 00:39.54 | efaistos | do you use apt-get source ? can we do improve a little bit performances by compiling the source ? |
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| 00:40.00 | wt | ah |
| 00:40.02 | beniamino | beardy: i do :-) |
| 00:40.06 | CompWizrd | 3ware 9550SX-16ML |
| 00:40.13 | wt | well...I assumed software raid |
| 00:40.26 | grendal_prime | actually i think its gsfontsx11 |
| 00:40.27 | wt | you know what assuming does? |
| 00:40.29 | applejax33 | problem: when u try to combine the 2 you only see 1.3 TB |
| 00:40.33 | abrotman | !assume |
| 00:40.33 | dpkg | [assume] the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 00:40.39 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 00:40.41 | CompWizrd | i might have to jam a pair of laptop hard drives in the case(since it can only hold 15 drives) and boot off a raid1 of those |
| 00:40.45 | applejax33 | load in fc4 it sees 3.4 |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | yonkeltron: every friday! |
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| 00:40.52 | grendal_prime | thing is abrotman i need to be able to use flash in the web browser ...pages require it now |
| 00:40.54 | wt | 3ware only supports 2TB per volume don't they? |
| 00:41.00 | benjamindees | you can absolutely boot off of software raid0, as well as add/remove drives dynamically :-/ |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: my flash works .. but the settings window is busted .. what browser ? |
| 00:41.10 | applejax33 | running hp clusters |
| 00:41.12 | CompWizrd | wt: the 7xxx and 8xxx only do that, the 9xxx supports larger |
| 00:41.22 | beardy | !need |
| 00:41.22 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 00:41.26 | wt | benjamindees: okay, I also assumed i386 and lilo |
| 00:41.28 | CompWizrd | in fact, the 9550SX will carve it into 2TB volumes for you if your OS doesn't support over 2tb per array |
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| 00:41.44 | benjamindees | wt, makes no difference, I did too btw |
| 00:41.50 | CompWizrd | 3ware says you can't boot off larger than 2TB, but i've also done a fair amount of googling and it seems some people can, so who knows |
| 00:41.51 | applejax33 | 14 300 gb drives on 2 controllers |
| 00:41.55 | applejax33 | 7 on each |
| 00:42.29 | wt | I have 4 300GB drives that are waiting on a 3ware card |
| 00:42.35 | zebalin7 | Hi folks. I have a new Etch install. What is the process to get rid of the apt-get nag about keys??? |
| 00:42.43 | grendal_prime | ya abrotman that was it..install gsfonts-x11 that will fix it |
| 00:42.45 | JPX | hey, is there anything similar to ICQ but for linux? (ICQ is windows-only) |
| 00:42.47 | beardy | zebalin7: /topic |
| 00:42.49 | zebalin7 | !dpkg keys |
| 00:42.51 | CompWizrd | i priced out both a dell and ibm box today for disk space, and it was something like 20,000 bucks for 4 tb... |
| 00:42.53 | wt | I plan on mirroring at least i386 and amd64 and arch-indep with it |
| 00:42.57 | CompWizrd | clone box is a fifth that price |
| 00:43.00 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 00:43.00 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 00:43.07 | wt | raid 1+0 configuration |
| 00:43.07 | grendal_prime | JPX, more apps than yo ucan count |
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| 00:43.26 | wt | the software raid won't properly start a raid 1+0 setup |
| 00:43.29 | applejax33 | so who knows software raid |
| 00:43.32 | grendal_prime | do a search in aptitude...apt synaptic for messaging |
| 00:43.33 | applejax33 | :oP |
| 00:43.41 | wt | its the scripts though |
| 00:43.47 | zebalin7 | beardy: thanks. They jam so much stuff up there and ti rolls by fast that I never read it!!! |
| 00:43.48 | wt | not the kernel or anything |
| 00:43.53 | wt | they all support it fine |
| 00:43.57 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ok ... i'll try :) |
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| 00:44.24 | grendal_prime | JPX, i use the kde version of gaim..sort of its called kopete ..it has plugins for just about everything |
| 00:44.27 | beardy | zebalin7: It's never too late to change :) (to start reading it, I mean) |
| 00:44.31 | applejax33 | running a seperate raid 5 of 340 GB |
| 00:44.36 | applejax33 | 3 raid cards |
| 00:44.52 | goldenaura | need help, have 2 hd with 1 swap partition in each one, but when doing "free" the total amount just correspond to 1 swap partition of 1 disk. |
| 00:45.03 | grendal_prime | and integrats with the entire kde desktop quite well..but alot of peoplejust flat out hate kde so there are im sure other suggestions |
| 00:45.31 | JPX | k, thx. will check it out :) |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | JPX: apt-cache search icq |
| 00:45.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:45.48 | grendal_prime | i can tell you this though i use kopete everday all day to keep in contact with over 30 contacts...it does this flawlessly |
| 00:45.54 | Amarande | when using debmake and friends, does the source tarball have to be .tar.gz or can it be .tar.bz2? |
| 00:45.59 | applejax33 | Disk /dev/cciss/c1d0p1: 1799.9 GB, 1799969079296 bytes |
| 00:46.03 | applejax33 | Disk /dev/cciss/c2d0p1: 1799.9 GB, 1799969079296 bytes |
| 00:46.03 | JPX | k |
| 00:46.07 | grendal_prime | yahoo, msn, all of them. |
| 00:46.15 | grendal_prime | aol as well |
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| 00:46.35 | JPX | yahoo has one for unix/linux, but i didn't know msn did |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | use gaim .. not that kde garbage :) |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | MS has no linux MSN client .. |
| 00:46.55 | grendal_prime | and i just checked it does have an icq plugin for it as well |
| 00:47.10 | JPX | ya abrotman i didn't think so either |
| 00:47.17 | grendal_prime | abrotman, kopete comms with msn |
| 00:47.24 | beardy | JPX: what abrotman said, gaim has more protocols than you'll probably need.. |
| 00:47.27 | onaka | Hello. I'm new to linux-development. When I try to compile applications I get errors like: "Undefined reference to ... ". I guess I'm missing compiler options. Is there a simple fix or any good development suits that creates a makefile with correct compiler-options? .. |
| 00:47.35 | zebalin7 | beardy: well, the 'dpkg 2006 key ' is pretty vague. Doesn't debian-archive-keyring package have the keys? |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | JPX: grendal_prime is trying to say that gaim/kopete have the ability to do aim/jabber/msn/icq/yahoo(?) |
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| 00:47.44 | abrotman | and irc i guess |
| 00:47.57 | JPX | ya i've heard of gaim, never tried it though. will give it a whirl |
| 00:47.58 | grendal_prime | ya irc too |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i don't use stuff that starts with a k .. except the kernel :) |
| 00:48.14 | beardy | abrotman: and at least as a plugin, Novells Messenger thing.. |
| 00:48.29 | abrotman | novell? messenger? |
| 00:48.32 | JPX | i'll give a sniff to kopete as well |
| 00:48.35 | beardy | abrotman: Yes. |
| 00:48.41 | grendal_prime | well there are certain things that just kick ass in kde..i use them every day...and i need them quite frankly for editing the way i do |
| 00:48.45 | benjamindees | onaka, you're likely missing header files, which are in -dev packages |
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| 00:49.00 | abrotman | JPX: kopete is gaim .. it's just a different desktop stuffs .. do you use gnome or kde ? |
| 00:49.09 | JPX | neither |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | which? |
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| 00:49.23 | JPX | wmaker and sometimes blackbox |
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| 00:49.33 | JPX | sometimes no x at all |
| 00:49.37 | onaka | benjamindees: well I'm pretty sure I've included the headers in the source. although will I have to supply header-file information to g++ as well? .. |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | ah .. well .. if you use some apps from either gnome or kde .. pick gaim or kopete as appropriate |
| 00:50.08 | JPX | no offence but i'll never use kde or gnome |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | no .. that's not what i meant |
| 00:50.16 | JPX | sorry |
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| 00:50.21 | Azar | JPX, : openbox |
| 00:50.26 | beardy | JPX: What protocol did you want to use? There are tui programs for most too. |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | i mean .. if you use abiword .. or kword .. or something like that .. if you have gtk or qt apps installed .. you will have to install less additional stuff |
| 00:50.45 | haakonn | hi, just a quick silly question: i'm running debian sarge on a remote dedicated server, but it gets a little old at times and not all can be upgraded easily "by hand". is upgrading to testing an alternative, that i can reasonably expect won't hose my box beyond repair over time? :) |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | haakonn: backports? |
| 00:51.01 | Amarande | etch seems to work pretty stably right now |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | JPX: centericq might support icq |
| 00:51.13 | haakonn | abrotman: oh, didn't think of that, hm |
| 00:51.16 | Amarande | though it has its days, like a few weeks ago when a major change introduced a big pile of bugs |
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| 00:51.20 | benjamindees | onaka, yeah, add -I /path/to/includes to the gcc options |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | Amarande: server is different than your workstation |
| 00:51.43 | grinder | where the heck is the menu editor for gnome? |
| 00:51.45 | zebalin7 | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 00:51.45 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 00:51.49 | abrotman | grinder: that's funny |
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| 00:51.54 | JPX | k well i'll have to check all these things out |
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| 00:52.26 | JPX | btw never tried openbox Azar;) |
| 00:52.37 | grinder | abrotman: well how the heck do I add something to the menu then? |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | use blackbox! |
| 00:52.42 | benjamindees | wt, my mistake, I was confusing raid 0 and 1; you're right you can't boot raid 0, but you can make a /boot partition |
| 00:52.46 | Azar | JPX, is the only one Id run on my box: has everything I need without the hassle |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | grinder: you can read about debian's menu system |
| 00:52.55 | onaka | benjamindees: oh .. it's that simple:) thx!:) |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | !tell grinder about menu |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | benjamindees: hardware you can .. not sure about software(who would use software raid anyways) |
| 00:53.25 | Azar | JPX, no icons or bars, just right click drop down menu |
| 00:53.54 | wt | benjamindees: lilo doesn't know how to retrieve anything from more than one hdd |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | Azar: he uses fluxbox .. it's the same thing basically |
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| 00:54.09 | benjamindees | I'm still of the opinion that if a server is $500 and a raid card is $250, I'd rather throw servers at the problem than hardware raid |
| 00:54.11 | wt | and raid0 has the possibilty |
| 00:54.21 | JPX | Azar: does it support keyboard_handling to minimize mouse usage? |
| 00:54.22 | Azar | abrotman, ah I never tried fluxbox |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | JPX: blackbox/fluxbox/openbox are all very similar .. blackbox is the original |
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| 00:54.53 | Azar | JPX, it might I have no idea, I am new at this stuff but I love openbox |
| 00:55.25 | grumpyboy | I installed Xandros today it rocks |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | grumpyboy: #xandrox |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | grumpyboy: #xandros |
| 00:55.39 | JPX | abrotman: yes, and i hear BB is making a comeback. some thought it was dead for a while |
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| 00:55.48 | abrotman | JPX: it was never dead :) |
| 00:55.55 | wt | BB? |
| 00:55.59 | wt | blackbox? |
| 00:56.05 | JPX | Azar: I'll have to look into it. thx though :) |
| 00:56.16 | grumpyboy | its called Xandros |
| 00:56.31 | JPX | BB=Blackbox for short. just talking fast.... |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | grumpyboy: i'm aware of that .. please go to #xandros |
| 00:56.50 | grumpyboy | oh ok cool |
| 00:56.55 | genetix | i luv blackbox |
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| 00:58.08 | grumpyboy | the xandros room is dead |
| 00:58.17 | PupenoL | Does anybody know why I would not be able to boot from a second disk in a software raid1 set up, grub only says "GRUB" |
| 00:58.21 | JPX | genetix: ya, it's pretty lightweight and fast. not too hungry |
| 00:58.22 | PupenoL | ? |
| 00:58.29 | beardy | !tell grumpyboy -about they don't know |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | grumpyboy: but #debian does not support Xandros |
| 00:59.26 | JPX | k folks, i gotta scram. it's my "RTFM" time. :) |
| 00:59.49 | JPX | thx for all the advise and help |
| 00:59.51 | JPX | tc |
| 01:00.04 | benjamindees | PupenoL, tell grub to look for stage2 on the second disk |
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| 01:00.28 | PupenoL | benjamindees: How do I do that ? |
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| 01:01.59 | Amarande | After running dh_make, what's the next step? |
| 01:02.31 | grinder | ok, all I want to do is add firefox inot my gnome menu, and firefox doesn't install as a package, do I need to manually create a menu file for it? |
| 01:02.43 | Amarande | I remember using fakeroot something, now I don't quite remember |
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| 01:03.13 | abrotman | Amarande: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 01:03.38 | abrotman | grinder: how did you install firefox ? |
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| 01:03.50 | Rawplayer | setup.exe |
| 01:03.52 | grinder | abrotman: downloaded the tar -zxvf |
| 01:03.55 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:04.03 | amee2k | anyone can recommend a sata raid controller that actually does hard raid? (not just in the driver) |
| 01:04.06 | grinder | abrotman: that's what firefox's page says to do |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 01:04.10 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 01:04.17 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: 3ware's cards do. |
| 01:04.17 | abrotman | grinder: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:04.37 | beardy | grinder: You do everything every site tell you to do? Spammers must love you.. |
| 01:04.57 | grinder | beardy: not every site, but the open source ones tend to be pretty straightforward |
| 01:05.13 | Anandamide | wow i can feel the love in here |
| 01:05.47 | amee2k | thanks abrotman & dondelelcaro :) |
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| 01:07.04 | beardy | grinder: If a program is packaged, use the package. Always check if something is packaged first. 'apt-cache search firefox' for example. /msg dpkg search |
| 01:07.20 | benjamindees | PupenoL, hmm I'm not sure, you may have to reinstall it |
| 01:07.42 | grinder | beardy: I often forget about the package systems and how smart they've gotten |
| 01:08.04 | zebalin7 | beardy: I did the two commands on dpkg keys and still get a 'not authenticated' from synaptic. |
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| 01:08.21 | SwitchBladeClock | Hello? |
| 01:08.38 | beardy | grinder: Well, now you're reminded. :) |
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| 01:08.48 | CompWizrd | abrotman: thanks for the sata faq link |
| 01:09.00 | CompWizrd | oh, and go to that thingy you're supposed to go to :) |
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| 01:09.19 | onaka | benjamindees, I'm now compiling with: g++ -I /usr/include/,/usr/include/sys/ test.cpp although I'm still getting "Undefined reference to 'afOpenFile' .. do you spot any other newbie mistake?:) |
| 01:09.27 | SwitchBladeClock | Can anyone help me with a problem I'm having? |
| 01:09.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell SwitchBladeClock -about ask |
| 01:09.40 | ronin | SwitchBladeClock: helps if we know the problem |
| 01:09.45 | Eno_ | http://www.botchco.com/alex/new-savage/html/savage.4.html <-- My manpage for savage doesn't have some options that I would like to have, but this one does. Does anyone know if this newer savage driver is included in xorg available from backports.org? |
| 01:09.59 | beardy | SwitchBladeClock: Perhaps. Just ask your question to the channel and perhaps someone can, and will answer. |
| 01:10.09 | SwitchBladeClock | Ok |
| 01:10.16 | dondelelcaro | Eno_: a lot of options aren't documented in the manpages; you may just try the options to see if they work if you want to use them. |
| 01:10.35 | Eno_ | Okay. |
| 01:10.40 | benjamindees | PupenoL, something like 'install boot/grub/stage1 hd(0,1) boot/grub/stage2 boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 01:10.51 | SwitchBladeClock | So, Im running Knoppix Linux right now from a CD, and I want to install it onto the hard drive. I tried already with the knx2hd, but I don't know what to do after that. |
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| 01:11.00 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: it'd be far better to just use irssi... |
| 01:11.02 | ronin | SwitchBladeClock: why not just install debian |
| 01:11.25 | Amarande | debianizing a source tarball that's meant to be an upgrade from an existing, otherwise-maintained debian package could be a bit messy |
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| 01:11.28 | beardy | zebalin7: Sorry, I haven't had that problem, I don't know. Try aptitude or apt-get instead of synaptic? |
| 01:11.30 | benjamindees | PupenoL, where hd(0,1) would be your drive/partition |
| 01:11.54 | ronin | !tell SwitchBladeClock about d-i |
| 01:12.07 | SwitchBladeClock | Because I just have this Knoppix CD I got from my friend. |
| 01:12.13 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: not really. just use uupdate |
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| 01:13.58 | abrotman | SwitchBladeClock: #knoppix please |
| 01:14.00 | beardy | SwitchBladeClock: Do what ronin told you. Install Debian, use the Sarge netinstaller. |
| 01:14.00 | ronin | SwitchBladeClock: you may want to try #knopppix then |
| 01:14.02 | PupenoL | thanks. |
| 01:14.19 | SwitchBladeClock | Ok |
| 01:15.56 | benjamindees | onaka, dpkg -l libaudiofile-dev|grep audio|cut -c 1,2 |
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| 01:16.38 | jmd_ | Anyone know of a decent irc client that doesn't require X ? |
| 01:16.46 | dondelelcaro | jmd_: irssi |
| 01:16.51 | benjamindees | jmd_, epic |
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| 01:17.10 | onaka | benjamindees: that generates the output "ii" |
| 01:17.28 | deftoo | bitchx |
| 01:17.52 | abrotman | what about bitchx? |
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| 01:17.55 | benjamindees | onaka, and you #include <audiofile.h> ? |
| 01:17.56 | dondelelcaro | it's like we're going steadily downhill in the quality of CLI IRC clients... next someone will mention ircII |
| 01:17.58 | ronin | jmd_: irssi then theres the rest ;) |
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| 01:18.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i know people that still use that |
| 01:18.26 | jmd_ | OK. Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll give them a try. |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i showed them irssi .. and the guy goes "hey .. it hightlights on my name" :) |
| 01:19.00 | amee2k | dondelelcaro: the FAQ says 3ware cards require a separate driver. is it included in debian? |
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| 01:19.07 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: yes. |
| 01:19.15 | amee2k | good :) |
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| 01:19.20 | dondelelcaro | the "separate driver" which they require is actually in the kernel too. |
| 01:19.43 | onaka | benjamindees: yep :/ all I do is include audiofile.h and then within main AFfilehandle handle; handle = afOpenFile( filename, "r", AF_NULL_FILESETUP); |
| 01:19.47 | amee2k | better :) |
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| 01:20.11 | amee2k | I'll go for a 3ware card |
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| 01:21.31 | Azar | irissi stays the best |
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| 01:21.49 | benjamindees | onaka, I think you use this instead: g++ -I /usr/include/ -I /usr/include/sys/ |
| 01:21.53 | Azar | anyone told MB350 about away messages here? |
| 01:22.05 | amee2k | btw irssi here too :) |
| 01:22.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell MB350 -about away |
| 01:22.49 | Azar | MB350: away messages are LAME |
| 01:23.02 | dondelelcaro | amee2k: the only issue with them is the management software is non-free, but you can use the bios controls for almost everything |
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| 01:23.29 | systemadmin | what package contains xf86config |
| 01:23.31 | systemadmin | ? |
| 01:23.36 | dondelelcaro | systemadmin: don't use xf86config |
| 01:23.37 | Azar | systemadmin: X |
| 01:23.49 | amee2k | dondelelcaro: once set up it will stay that way for a long time |
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| 01:23.58 | systemadmin | dondelelcaro : what should i use? |
| 01:24.03 | abrotman | !drxx systemadmin |
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| 01:24.03 | dpkg | systemadmin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:24.05 | amee2k | and if i want to change something i can easily get hardware access to the box |
| 01:24.54 | amee2k | I'm living next to the server room |
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| 01:25.23 | wt | should I switch to xinetd? |
| 01:25.28 | wt | is it worth my time? |
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| 01:26.52 | abrotman | Let's all watch "The Jerk"! |
| 01:27.35 | mfrisch | abrotman: that rules |
| 01:28.01 | onaka | benjamindees: I really appreciate your help. I still get the same error but I guess I'll simply try this on another computer. I'm not sure if the compiler is working properly on my unstable debian distro:) |
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| 01:30.18 | wt | you know, adaptec does some really wierd things |
| 01:30.41 | onaka | benjamindees: btw. do you usually develop in console/emacs directly? |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | do they sell ice to eskimos ? |
| 01:30.53 | wt | like releasing a driver for one specific kernel for an iSCSI card and not releasing it open source instead |
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| 01:31.40 | Nurbs | wt:very oftenr intellectual property issues |
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| 01:32.13 | benjamindees | onaka, I don't develop much, only a little hacking, but I use kwrite |
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| 01:32.59 | wt | Nurbs: why even release the linux driver? |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | wt: to have .. linux support ? |
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| 01:33.38 | benjamindees | probably to avoid having to talk to "legal" |
| 01:33.39 | wt | anyone in the know won't wanna bye a card that won't work with the next kernel version, would they? |
| 01:33.40 | Nurbs | wt: possibly to have some people test it before developing it further, too |
| 01:33.43 | Amarande | Yeah, but even nVidia and ATI design their drivers so you can use them with newer kernels. |
| 01:33.54 | wt | besides their driver only works with 2.4.?? |
| 01:34.13 | benjamindees | easiest to release a binary or source with no license |
| 01:34.49 | rredd4 | when i logout of kde and gnome, my screen goes black. I have to cntrl-alt-del a lot to reboot. any one know why? |
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| 01:34.57 | beardy | It's not that hard to include one more file in the package, a sane license.. |
| 01:35.13 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone here use a palm pilot with debian? |
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| 01:35.24 | abrotman | rredd4: driver ? |
| 01:35.47 | rredd4 | abrotman: u know which one? |
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| 01:35.53 | rredd4 | new install |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:35.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:35.59 | benjamindees | it is if you work at a big company and don't want to get fired/chewed out |
| 01:35.59 | beardy | rredd4: Tried Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, or switch to a vt? (Ctrl-Alt-F1)? |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | i'm asking you which driver you're using .. how would i know what you're using |
| 01:36.06 | onaka | benjamindees: thx again for your help! I'll have to sleep now. goodnight everybody. |
| 01:36.45 | daxxar | Hm. I've got a problem with NFS-mounts "locking up", meaning I cannot unmount or access them. If I access them in any way, the process trying to do so instantly *FREEZES* at a stat64()-syscall, and not even a SIGKILL will get them back. Though, if I SIGKILL, then strace -p the pid of the frozen process, the process will 'die' like it should (Process 24319 attached - interrupt to quit, +++ killed by SIGKILL +++) |
| 01:37.00 | daxxar | unmount -lf doesn't work, it just 'hangs' until I stop it with ^C. |
| 01:37.16 | rredd4 | beardy: yes i tried ctrl-alt-backspace same results |
| 01:37.18 | daxxar | Any suggestions on how to prevent the situation from occuring, or at least remedying it when it happens? |
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| 01:37.34 | tyranix | If 'locale -a' doesn't list a locale, then you cannot switch to it correct? |
| 01:37.39 | daxxar | My mount-options are ro,hard,intr,tcp,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 |
| 01:37.44 | beardy | rredd4: Switch to a vt then? |
| 01:37.52 | rredd4 | k |
| 01:38.10 | benjamindees | daxxar, firewall? server power problems? |
| 01:38.37 | genetix | old nfs version ? |
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| 01:39.00 | beardy | rredd4: Does it work? |
| 01:39.04 | PupenoL | what compiler is used for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ? gcc-3.3 ? gcc-3.4 ? |
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| 01:39.12 | abrotman | PupenoL: uname -a |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | PupenoL: erm .. sorry .. cat /proc/version |
| 01:39.33 | B1zz | I have installed my wireless card it seems to work just fine, but i am trying to use wpa_supplicant beacuse my network is running wpa i have followed the instructions on this link http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html. But then when i try to bring up wpa_supplicant I get this error http://pastebin.com/537894 |
| 01:40.08 | daxxar | It's a 2.6.14.4-grsec kernel. I don't think the NFS version is old, nfs-user-server 2.2beta47-20. |
| 01:40.18 | tyranix | Can anyone here run aptitude and display the German translation? |
| 01:40.24 | daxxar | benjamindees, even a server failure should not cause such horrible behaviour? |
| 01:40.26 | liable | B1zz: paste your conf file. |
| 01:40.30 | B1zz | ok |
| 01:41.08 | benjamindees | daxxar, never underestimate the crappiness of NFS... |
| 01:41.35 | daxxar | Are there any decent alternatives for up to 100mbit transfers? |
| 01:41.36 | beardy | tyranix: Is there a german translation? Have you the locale generated, and the environment variables set to the german locale? |
| 01:41.40 | liable | B1zz: you prolly forgot the ending } or something |
| 01:41.45 | B1zz | omg |
| 01:41.49 | abrotman | daxxar: alternatives to what ? |
| 01:41.52 | B1zz | i am just looking at that |
| 01:41.53 | dvs | !beer B1zz |
| 01:41.57 | B1zz | i did :-p |
| 01:42.09 | daxxar | NFS, since he said it was utter crap. ;-) |
| 01:42.31 | tyranix | beardy: I tried to set my locale to german but I don't think I can. locale -a doesn't list de. I set LANG=de and then looked at the output from 'locale' and it looked right. But when I started aptitude, it was still English. |
| 01:42.32 | benjamindees | daxxar, there are no decent alternatives either |
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| 01:42.34 | B1zz | sweet! |
| 01:42.42 | PupenoL | abrotman: thanks. |
| 01:42.59 | B1zz | stupid me i oversaw that :) thaks guy. I am in buisness |
| 01:42.59 | Lord_Athur | where can i find information about flex and bison? |
| 01:43.01 | daxxar | abrotman, also, read my problem/question ~6 minutes ago, if you have any suggestions they would be dearly appreciated. :-) |
| 01:43.04 | tyranix | beardy: I think the German version of aptitude doesn't have a bug that the English version does. But I can't verify it because I can't display it. :( |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | daxxar: nfs/samba/scp/ftp ? |
| 01:43.39 | beardy | !locales |
| 01:43.39 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
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| 01:44.14 | daxxar | abrotman, samba is the only one of those that's "viable". I need mounting to local fs. (And I'm fearing that e.g. FUSE has a horrible latency for e.g. directory listings, as it has to initiate a new connection) |
| 01:44.24 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 01:44.24 | dpkg | methinks shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 01:44.35 | beardy | tyranix: Same version, only different text, in another language, so what bug? |
| 01:45.20 | markybob | i'm using if/then to launch a program in the background, but it doesnt work because of bash doesnt like & inside the if/then statement as i current have it. any suggests on how to do this properly? if [ -f /home/markybob/foo ]; then /usr/bin/foolio&; fi |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | ask #bash ? |
| 01:45.46 | tyranix | beardy: If you press '?' to display the key bindings, is everything lined up properly? Most translations are based on the English one so I'm guessing they have the same bug '"f":Clear the' instead of '"f": Clear the'. I looked and the German version and unlike the English one it doesn't have tabs. |
| 01:45.55 | daxxar | abrotman, is it fast? :) |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | daxxar: probably not :) |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | !ftpfs |
| 01:46.52 | dpkg | a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils' |
| 01:46.53 | beardy | tyranix: I neither use the german translation, or have aptitude available at the moment. |
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| 01:47.21 | daxxar | abrotman, that would suffer the same problems as FUSE w/ ftp WRT latency of directory-listings, right? :) |
| 01:47.34 | beardy | tyranix: But if it really is a bug in the translation, file a bug. |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | daxxar: probably |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | daxxar: i think ftpfs was merged into fuse actually |
| 01:48.14 | daxxar | Faster file-transfers though, I guess. :-) |
| 01:48.30 | beardy | tyranix: Or fix it, if you can, then file a bug and a fix. |
| 01:48.32 | tyranix | beardy: Someone in #debian.de responded and it is not in the German version. |
| 01:48.47 | beardy | tyranix: Ok. |
| 01:49.06 | tyranix | beardy: yeah it's a simple fix. I'm doing both. |
| 01:49.07 | daxxar | abrotman, I guess only way is to test it, if no-one has any suggestions re: my NFS problems. :) |
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| 01:49.17 | beardy | !beer tyranix |
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| 01:51.03 | daxxar | !lart nfs |
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| 01:53.02 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a good 3d (opengl-based) game in debian? (aside from the populars: bzflag, etc) |
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| 01:53.37 | dvs | SerajewelKS: I just downloaded Quake II. Haven't tried it yet though |
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| 01:54.02 | asg | SerajewelKS: foobillard is quite good if you are into such things |
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| 01:54.19 | nisc | www.sauerbraten.org |
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| 01:54.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: gltron |
| 01:55.07 | SerajewelKS | nisc: that's not stable yet, is it? |
| 01:55.17 | liable | markybob: (/usr/bin/foolio&); fi |
| 01:55.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: how does gltron compare to armagetron? |
| 01:55.19 | Azar | I guess DoomII too.. |
| 01:55.25 | dvs | abrotman: gltron? You're kidding? |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's a game ? |
| 01:55.36 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe i meant armagetron ? |
| 01:55.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hence "compare to" |
| 01:55.46 | markybob | liable: ah, a subshell. i should've remembered. thanks |
| 01:56.13 | skiflyer | I have a server which used to work fine and more recently seems to have trouble resolving domain names... if I do nslookup and try to lookup a name it fails with the Server as 127.0.0.1 & Address 127.0.0.1#53... If I enter server 192.168.1.1 (my router) it then works fine in that shell, but when I exit it still doesn't work, what setting do I need to change to make that work again? (It's a... |
| 01:56.14 | skiflyer | ...static IP btw) |
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| 01:56.21 | Azar | anyone able to run egoboo? on my system is really slow and somehow mouse can't move well |
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| 01:56.33 | SerajewelKS | basically looking for a graphically appealing, free time waster |
| 01:57.05 | asg | skiflyer: check that /etc/resolv.conf doesn't contain 127.0.0.1 and contains a 'nameserver' entry for your router |
| 01:57.07 | SerajewelKS | prefer action (bzflag and cube are on the right lines) |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: happypenguin.org |
| 01:57.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: is that site... safe? ;) |
| 01:57.45 | nisc | SerajewelKS: www.warsow.net |
| 01:58.05 | skiflyer | asg: if I cat /etc/resolv.conf it says no such file, if I emacs it it says file exists but cannot be read (as root) |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: very much so |
| 01:58.13 | Azar | SerajewelKS: why don't you look in the archives for your distro? there are lots of games |
| 01:58.31 | SerajewelKS | Azar: yeah, *lots*. just looking for quick suggestions on what other people like. |
| 01:58.38 | skiflyer | and ls does show the file |
| 01:59.12 | asg | skiflyer: what does 'lsattr /etc/resolv.conf' say? |
| 01:59.36 | skiflyer | No such file or directory While reading flags |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~hassana/rgph/screenshots.html |
| 01:59.59 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ever tried Marble Madness? |
| 02:00.01 | skiflyer | shall I copy /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original to /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 02:00.13 | asg | skiflyer: then I suggest you reboot to single user mode and fsck that filesystem. |
| 02:00.32 | SerajewelKS | Azar: sounds like enigma |
| 02:00.37 | asg | skiflyer: oh, wait |
| 02:00.39 | Azar | try "trackballs" |
| 02:01.12 | asg | skiflyer: do you have the resolvconf package installed? |
| 02:01.13 | skiflyer | asg: Waiting :) |
| 02:01.24 | asg | skiflyer: dpkg -l resolvconf |
| 02:01.47 | skiflyer | asg: apprently I do, I think from a long ago aborted attempt at making this a DHCP server |
| 02:01.58 | SerajewelKS | btw slune is a pretty nice game |
| 02:02.34 | asg | skiflyer: well, I would remove that package and create an /etc/resolv.conf that points to your nameserver(s) |
| 02:03.02 | skiflyer | asg: Thanks, will do |
| 02:03.13 | asg | skiflyer: you're welcome |
| 02:03.28 | skiflyer | asg: grr, apt-get remove tells me it isn't installed |
| 02:03.48 | asg | skiflyer: what does 'dpkg -l resolvconf' print? |
| 02:03.49 | Azar | slune does not work for me.. |
| 02:03.52 | Eno_ | What is the best way to get the newest "savage" X driver? I'm running sarge. I think the new ones has some dualhead functions that the one in sarge doesn't have... or at least,I can't get it to work right. |
| 02:03.57 | skiflyer | rc resolvconf 1.28 ... |
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| 02:04.13 | SerajewelKS | Azar: it needs a few python things |
| 02:04.15 | asg | skiflyer: well, dpkg -P resolvconf will remove some cruft |
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| 02:04.32 | asg | skiflyer: then, create an /etc/resolv.conf that contains at least 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' |
| 02:04.33 | Azar | Eno_ savage as in S3? |
| 02:04.33 | Eno_ | Is it possible to get the latest savage driver without having to upgrade to xorg? |
| 02:04.38 | Eno_ | Azar: Yeah. |
| 02:04.44 | Azar | don't go to xorg then |
| 02:05.01 | Azar | configure your xfree86 to see the driver |
| 02:05.04 | skiflyer | asg: just the dpkg -P resolvconf fixed the whole thing, thanks so much |
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| 02:05.15 | Azar | eeyore knows the issue he helped yesterday someone |
| 02:05.15 | asg | skiflyer: cool |
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| 02:05.20 | Azar | is eeyore here? |
| 02:05.38 | Eno_ | Azar: I'm using "savage" right now, but I think it's too old... |
| 02:05.42 | asg | !seen eeyore |
| 02:05.42 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'eeyore', asg |
| 02:05.45 | asg | !seen eeyore- |
| 02:05.45 | dpkg | eeyore- is currently on #debian (1d 4h 3m 23s). Has said a total of 172 messages. Is idling for 2h 10m 1s |
| 02:05.50 | dscener | Does anyone know a program for Debian that'll take podcasts and create an RSS feed? Maybe even handle uploads? |
| 02:05.51 | asg | Azar: ^^ |
| 02:05.57 | Azar | thanks asg :) |
| 02:06.08 | asg | Azar: eeyore- always has his tail out ;) |
| 02:06.15 | Azar | Eno_ I doubt you will be able to upgrade with that card |
| 02:06.31 | Eno_ | Azar: Why? |
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| 02:07.06 | Azar | Eno_ because is way deprecated for the new systems if it works now for you is ok but don't try to upgrade to xorg |
| 02:07.40 | Azar | I have no idea if etch "testing" and higher kernels support your S3 driver |
| 02:07.40 | Eno_ | ... |
| 02:07.45 | Eno_ | Hmm. |
| 02:08.10 | asg | Eno_: if it's one of the odd S3 systems, you'll need the xserver-s3 package from sarge |
| 02:08.16 | Azar | Eno_ google for more info on your "S3 savage Debian Sarge issues" |
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| 02:09.05 | Azar | Eno_ or yet better google for "S3 savage xorg issues" |
| 02:09.12 | Eno_ | Okay |
| 02:09.41 | Eno_ | http://www.botchco.com/alex/new-savage/html/ <-- That's what I want. :) |
| 02:09.48 | Azar | cool |
| 02:10.00 | jrattner1 | Does debian use xfree86 or xorg? cause I have an xorg.conf I want to use |
| 02:10.10 | fungo | how could i make a package of something downloaded by apt-get source, and how could i define what ./configure options the source should use (like CFLAGS)? |
| 02:10.17 | asg | jrattner1: it depends on which debian version your are using? |
| 02:10.17 | Eno_ | jrattner1: Xfree, but the configurations are identical |
| 02:10.22 | fungo | i'm needing a optimized apache :/ |
| 02:10.33 | asg | fungo: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 02:10.45 | fungo | ok |
| 02:10.47 | jrattner1 | eNO im using a config from ubuntu, but its a standard xorg.conf |
| 02:10.56 | jrattner1 | if i put that in /etc/X11 it should work? |
| 02:11.37 | Eno_ | Maybe. But you should rename it to XF86Config |
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| 02:11.48 | SerajewelKS | Azar: trackballs is pretty cool |
| 02:12.04 | Vanir | hi. would i need to download debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent and debian-31r1-i386-binary-2.iso.torrent or just the one? |
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| 02:13.32 | Eno_ | Vanir: Just 1 |
| 02:14.05 | Vanir | Eno_ which one? |
| 02:14.34 | Matt-H | Vanir: the first one perhaps? |
| 02:14.52 | Eno_ | http://www.botchco.com/alex/new-savage/html/ <-- How would I use this in sarge? :/ |
| 02:14.53 | Vanir | whats the difference? |
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| 02:15.22 | Matt-H | Vanir: the first one is the first ISO, ISOs 2 onwards are additional packages |
| 02:15.36 | Matt-H | Vanir: or you could just download the netinst ISO and download what you need on the fly |
| 02:15.37 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:15.43 | Vanir | hmmm |
| 02:15.46 | Vanir | thanks guys |
| 02:15.56 | Amarande | can someone else running etch check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Fairfield and see if ANY of their browsers load it without crashing? |
| 02:16.07 | Amarande | for some reason I can load other wikipedia pages but not that one |
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| 02:16.31 | Amarande | I tried firefox, epiphany, and mozilla, all of them died horribly |
| 02:16.39 | Matt-H | Amarande: works fine in Opera 8.51 on etch |
| 02:16.45 | Azar | SerajewelKS: yep but I generally prefer chess, backgammon and such.. |
| 02:16.56 | Amarande | matt: see if firefox crashes |
| 02:16.58 | Matt-H | it's got a 3.9MB image on there for some reason though |
| 02:17.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:17.20 | Amarande | would that cause firefox to crash? |
| 02:17.25 | Eno_ | Firefox on sarge loads fine |
| 02:17.31 | Matt-H | Amarande: firefox crashes on etch |
| 02:17.57 | Matt-H | Amarande: wouldn't have thought so |
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| 02:18.12 | bucky | Amarande, are you running out of memory.. that jpg is 3.9 M |
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| 02:18.44 | Matt-H | Amarande: it's 9000 or so px wide though, by over 1000 high |
| 02:19.10 | mne | hi there ! I'm running debian unstable and cannot install k3b (unmet dependencies). is this a known problem ? any help ? |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | crashes mozilla too |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | Amarande: file a bug |
| 02:19.28 | mne | /msg dpkg paster |
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| 02:19.33 | Amarande | bucky: I have 1.5G on this machine |
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| 02:19.41 | abrotman | Amarande: it's a bug in the browser |
| 02:19.52 | Amarande | abrotman: if it crashes firefox, mozilla, -and- epiphany |
| 02:19.56 | Amarande | isn't it more likely to be a shlib bug? |
| 02:20.01 | liable | mne: thats life running sid.. |
| 02:20.28 | Amarande | hmm, what's the command to see what shared libraries a given executable uses? |
| 02:20.53 | mne | liable, usually it works pretty well ;) just wanted to know if this is common problem with the k3b package |
| 02:21.16 | mne | Amarande, ldd |
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| 02:21.32 | liable | hrm, doesnt crash firefox here.. |
| 02:21.48 | Amarande | hmm, firefox and mozilla are static |
| 02:21.51 | Amarande | liable: etch? |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | Amarande: they all use gecko .. duh |
| 02:22.11 | liable | Amarande: sid, sorry. (failed to see that bit) |
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| 02:22.23 | Amarande | yeah, sid would have firefox 1.5, right? |
| 02:22.30 | abrotman | dude |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | it's a bug in gecko .. FILE A BUG |
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| 02:23.20 | abrotman | !tell oggle about root |
| 02:23.22 | Amarande | "No maintainer for gecko. Please do not report new bugs against this package." |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | on firefox |
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| 02:24.21 | benjamindees | what was that wikipedia link again please? |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Fairfield |
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| 02:25.37 | benjamindees | and it works fine on Sarge? |
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| 02:31.19 | Amarande | benjamindees: it was sid that it worked fine on |
| 02:31.40 | Amarande | I don't have a sarge box handy, would be good if someone tried |
| 02:31.54 | benjamindees | that would make sense, because it doesn't work fine on Sarge here (ff) |
| 02:32.08 | Amarande | feh, now I either wait for firefox-1.5 to migrate to etch, or I start using sid packages |
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| 02:33.08 | Plouj | what does debian have instead of /etc/*release? |
| 02:33.15 | abrotman | !version |
| 02:33.15 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 02:33.29 | bucky | Amarande, are you running debian-amd64 ? |
| 02:33.38 | Amarande | bucky: no, i386 |
| 02:33.40 | Amarande | (using k7 kernel) |
| 02:33.53 | bucky | on an amd64 ? |
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| 02:34.04 | Amarande | yah |
| 02:34.12 | Amarande | okay, it's a Gecko glitch |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | I SAID THAT! |
| 02:34.23 | Azar | I am so happy xmms handles my .xm files :) |
| 02:34.23 | Amarande | but exactly why Gecko is choking on this ... hmm, what else uses Gecko besides browsers? |
| 02:34.27 | pabs3 | anyone know how to get apt to download Packages.bz2 files? |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | i think it does by default |
| 02:34.43 | dondelelcaro | pabs3: it should download them if that's what the Release file says to get |
| 02:34.55 | pabs3 | hmm |
| 02:35.00 | bucky | Amarande, get firefox from http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ and run it from your home dir.. see if that crashes |
| 02:35.12 | benjamindees | yeah, it's that jpeg that it doesn't like |
| 02:35.26 | Amarande | hmm, is gecko only embedded within executables? |
| 02:35.27 | bucky | Amarande, just untar it as user |
| 02:35.34 | dondelelcaro | AFAIK, none of the Debian mirrors list Packages.bz2 in their Release file |
| 02:35.46 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it was the default |
| 02:35.47 | Amarande | since I don't seem to see any gecko stuff as independent files |
| 02:35.53 | dondelelcaro | err... correcltion; they do in unstable, but not in stable. |
| 02:35.58 | dondelelcaro | s/cl// |
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| 02:36.48 | Amarande | abrotman: then why does it happen with epiphany, too? |
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| 02:37.03 | Amarande | it seems the bug is deeper in GNOME or X than the applications themselves |
| 02:37.18 | Amarande | In all cases - "The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'." |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | Amarande: hrm .. because epiphany is GECKO BASED .. which i said 15 minutes ago |
| 02:38.28 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: works fine here on firefox |
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| 02:38.49 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: sarge, etch or sid? |
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| 02:38.51 | abrotman | seems to be all etch gecko based browsers |
| 02:38.52 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: unstable |
| 02:39.13 | Amarande | abrotman: wait, is gecko part of the browser executable, or some sort of client-server based component in GNOME or X? |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | !gecko |
| 02:39.23 | dpkg | gecko is, like, the rendering engine of mozilla |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | Amarande: it's part of the browser |
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| 02:40.38 | Amarande | hmm. in the case of mozilla and firefox, it looks that they are statically linked |
| 02:40.48 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: uh... no, they're not. |
| 02:40.51 | Amarande | how about epiphany, does that get gecko from shlibs or the main C code? |
| 02:41.06 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: ldd /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin; and become enlightened |
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| 02:41.54 | Amarande | ahh, here we go |
| 02:42.02 | Amarande | anyway, is gecko a shlib or a static part of the executable |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 02:42.44 | alexander | hola |
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| 02:44.26 | abrotman | !tell Amarande about pinning |
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| 02:45.57 | liable | !test |
| 02:45.57 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
| 02:45.58 | benjamindees | !quick sid/etch mix |
| 02:45.59 | dpkg | from memory, quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than etch, or this will probably break if packages from unstable are compiled with gcc 4 and packages in etch aren't. |
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| 02:48.15 | benjamindees | disabling image resizing makes no difference |
| 02:48.31 | liable | yay, finally got around to getting network working again after sleeping.. |
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| 02:49.24 | abrotman | try downloading the image with wget .. and viewing directly in FF |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Towndocks.jpg |
| 02:49.39 | Amarande | hmm, any of you use sid firefox under etch? and if so, how much sid do you get stuck pulling in along with it? |
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| 02:49.50 | abrotman | that didn't work |
| 02:49.53 | benjamindees | that's what I'm doing, but that isn't the image link |
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| 02:50.32 | starscalling | omfg this is so sweet :) |
| 02:50.40 | Amarande | uh oh, new nvidia-kernel-source |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Towndocks.jpg |
| 02:50.45 | abrotman | benjamindees: it stil lcrashes |
| 02:50.45 | Amarande | should I be rebuilding my kernel module now? |
| 02:50.47 | starscalling | got a sarge server install in a server... only 259MB so far LOL |
| 02:51.02 | starscalling | anything yall would recommend to do for hardening? |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | benjamindees: /j #flood |
| 02:51.06 | benjamindees | yes, the image is the problem |
| 02:51.09 | |aSa| | i try to kompile kernel with make-kpkg, but it fais with this error: |
| 02:51.10 | |aSa| | make[1]: Entering directory `/mnt/gate/server/Dino/linux-source-2.6.15' |
| 02:51.10 | |aSa| | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.10 | |aSa| | /usr/sbin/ld: Symbol `bfd_abs_section' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 02:51.10 | |aSa| | /usr/sbin/ld: Symbol `bfd_und_section' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 02:51.10 | |aSa| | /usr/sbin/ld: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/ld: undefined symbol: concat |
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| 02:51.21 | abrotman | kompile ? |
| 02:51.35 | Amarande | nvidia-glx python-gtk2 python2.3-gtk2 |
| 02:51.35 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.37 | Azar | starscalling: block X in root and use iptables |
| 02:51.43 | Amarande | why? and where did that enter come from, I didn't see it in the paste :) |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | benjamindees: ythat's what i get in the console |
| 02:52.08 | benjamindees | abrotman, that's what mine looks like |
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| 02:53.07 | Amarande | I take it nvidia-glx is held back because I need to do the kernel thing first? |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:53.10 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:53.25 | Amarande | and why are the python packages held back? |
| 02:53.31 | liable | starscalling: v1agr4 s0ft tabs? |
| 02:53.35 | liable | :) |
| 02:53.39 | benjamindees | abrotman, interesting: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00147.html |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | benjamindees: nice .. now the question .. will Amarande file a bug ? |
| 02:54.21 | starscalling | Azar, i have no X server installed this far.. and none planned... iptables.. almost afraid to try it lol... do you know of a good guide? >_< |
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| 02:54.42 | starscalling | liable, yeah rite and some hookers.... what about using the shadow package i think it is where it moves the passweds... |
| 02:54.47 | Amarande | abrotman: first I'm going to see if 1.5 works |
| 02:54.54 | King_Brad | is thier something in debian that will show overall bw useuage for a certin network interface, on a website graph? |
| 02:54.56 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure why 1.5 didn't migrate to etch yet |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | mrtg |
| 02:55.08 | King_Brad | like if that nic has xfers 500gigs down, and 250gigs up |
| 02:55.09 | benjamindees | and, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310917 |
| 02:55.11 | King_Brad | i wanna konw |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | !why is firefox not in testing |
| 02:55.12 | dpkg | firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=firefox |
| 02:55.15 | atula | hi everyone. I really need to reconfig my router to get my (REMOTE) LAN working. The problem is, I can only get to my Debian tower via ssh... so I can only use Lynx 192.168.x.x OY! this is where it gets a bit messy. well it does get anything at all! is it possible for me to access my router via ssh terminal behind router? |
| 02:55.34 | King_Brad | abrotman i cant figure out how to setup mrtg |
| 02:55.42 | King_Brad | they got a website for setup instructions? |
| 02:55.43 | Azar | starscalling: yes one sec |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | read the docs ? |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 02:55.53 | dpkg | i guess mrtg is old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
| 02:55.57 | starscalling | awesome thanx tonz Azar |
| 02:55.58 | King_Brad | thx |
| 02:56.30 | Amarande | abrotman: hmm, then I'm assuming that apt-get -t sid install mozilla-firefox is going to break things, then. :) |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 02:56.54 | Azar | starscalling: newbie at iptables? |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | what's the worst that happens .. your system is totally messed up |
| 02:57.03 | benjamindees | it'd be interesting to see if Sarge with backported xorg has this firefox problem as well |
| 02:57.06 | starscalling | Azar, yeah |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | benjamindees: also has a backported FF of somesort |
| 02:57.28 | starscalling | i need to open a few ranges of ports and a few singles... |
| 02:57.30 | atula | can someone tell me if there's a way for me to access my router if I can ssh to my machine via SSH?? |
| 02:57.33 | starscalling | just never found a good guide |
| 02:57.45 | starscalling | atula, yeah lynx |
| 02:58.00 | starscalling | or links/links2 i think it is |
| 02:58.05 | starscalling | cli browsers :) |
| 02:58.11 | atula | starscalling: yeah. but lynx can't do it since it has radio buttons and craps |
| 02:58.19 | atula | *sigh |
| 02:58.24 | starscalling | try links2 package then |
| 02:58.29 | starscalling | let me make sure thats the right name |
| 02:58.33 | atula | lemme give that a try |
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| 02:58.54 | starscalling | yeah links2 |
| 02:59.06 | starscalling | i think it was supposed to have some updates for tables and more stuff... |
| 02:59.09 | Azar | starscalling: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/iptables-HOWTO-5.html |
| 02:59.18 | starscalling | omg thanx Azar !!! <3 |
| 02:59.20 | King_Brad | i dont want graphs of how fast the nics are sending / recieveing, i want totals.... of how much data has been transferd |
| 03:00.52 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: then look at the ifconfig output; it has it. |
| 03:01.02 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it has the data since the nic has been on) |
| 03:01.15 | King_Brad | nevermind |
| 03:01.31 | Azar | starscalling: another good one: http://www.penguinsecurity.net/pensec/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=100 |
| 03:02.07 | Amarande | weird. why is firefox waiting for gnome-vfs2 when it doesn't depend on it? |
| 03:02.16 | Azar | starscalling: I like links better |
| 03:02.26 | raden | is there a way to find my php version from console ? |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | dpkg -l php4 |
| 03:02.35 | dpkg | ii php4 2.7-2.1 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 03:02.36 | King_Brad | i am looking for something thats in like cpanel |
| 03:02.50 | King_Brad | that shows overall bw useage, and when its time to start stopping downloads and such |
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| 03:03.00 | King_Brad | apearently ima just have to buy cpanel |
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| 03:03.41 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: there are numerous things that can do that. It just depends on what you actually want to track |
| 03:03.45 | Azar | starscalling here doing it with the tutor: http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Security/IPtables_Basics.html |
| 03:04.10 | Eno_ | I'm ssh'd into a server, and I'm trying to startx. As root it works fine, but as a user it sas user not authorized to run the X server and Couldent get a file descripter referring to the console |
| 03:04.14 | Eno_ | What should I do? |
| 03:04.15 | King_Brad | dondelelcaro, i just want to track total data sent and recieved... not togeahter, sepearte... in a pretty lil webpage like thing |
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| 03:04.34 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: ifconfig keeps the data sent and received seperate. |
| 03:04.35 | King_Brad | i dont think i am explaining this very well |
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| 03:04.55 | King_Brad | its not pretty tho |
| 03:05.03 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: it's a number... |
| 03:05.08 | King_Brad | thats not the point |
| 03:05.10 | Azar | Eno_ normally you should not be able to ssh in root and even worse, use X in root |
| 03:05.24 | King_Brad | what can do what i want |
| 03:05.25 | King_Brad | do u know |
| 03:05.28 | Eno_ | Azar: I'm ssh as a user and then I su to root. |
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| 03:05.46 | King_Brad | besides ifconfig |
| 03:05.56 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: what are you actually trying to do? make sure your website doesn't go over whatever the predetermined limit that is set by your hosting company? or what? |
| 03:05.58 | weggpod | how know the server's version with nmap? |
| 03:06.10 | King_Brad | dondelelcaro something like that yes |
| 03:06.10 | benjamindees | Amarande, according to those mozilla bug reports, the problem should not have been fixed yet, but will be fixed in 1.9 for sure |
| 03:06.16 | jetscreamer | !quake4 bork |
| 03:06.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, quake4 bork is for quake4(and d3 i'd guess) libsdl1.2debian-all_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb vs libsdl1.2debian-alsa_1.2.9-0.1_i386.deb . all bad, alsa good. see updated versions also. |
| 03:06.31 | King_Brad | RX packets:450963460 errors:723 dropped:0 overruns:41 frame:747 |
| 03:06.31 | King_Brad | TX packets:413616606 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 03:06.33 | starscalling | dude thanx Azar this is making it easier to understand lol... |
| 03:06.39 | King_Brad | how the hell do i decrypt that? |
| 03:07.01 | Azar | starscalling: you are welcome I am trying to learn myself iptables with tutorials |
| 03:07.02 | starscalling | packet is byte i think rx is recieve tx is transmit |
| 03:07.06 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: RX bytes:615512258 (586.9 MiB) TX bytes:2025246287 (1.8 GiB) <--- this would be the line that you care about... |
| 03:07.09 | King_Brad | dondelelcaro that is the basic idea, but i am the hosting company |
| 03:07.13 | starscalling | lol sweet Azar :) |
| 03:07.17 | King_Brad | thats not right then |
| 03:07.23 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: if that's what you're doing, then there are modules for apache which will keep track of the downloads etc. from each host. |
| 03:07.25 | King_Brad | b/c i know i've xfered atleast 10 gigs today |
| 03:07.32 | King_Brad | okay |
| 03:07.32 | Amarande | benjamindees: should the problem be considered serious other than crashing firefox |
| 03:07.39 | Amarande | like is this a buffer overflow that can break security? |
| 03:07.42 | King_Brad | so i would find them on apaches website? |
| 03:07.44 | Azar | starscalling: and since you sit with cli, get nethack to fun your nights with |
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| 03:08.00 | starscalling | nethack? o.O |
| 03:08.06 | Azar | starscalling: apt-get install nethack-console ( I think) |
| 03:08.10 | starscalling | hmm |
| 03:08.14 | starscalling | ok ill check it out... |
| 03:08.24 | Azar | is a game, dungeon game, text based |
| 03:08.24 | starscalling | this box im on here is gui but yeah server is cli :) |
| 03:08.29 | starscalling | oooooooooooooo |
| 03:08.31 | weggpod | someone know how ? |
| 03:08.31 | King_Brad | i dont get, why it says i've downloaded 568mb, i just finsed a 4gig download |
| 03:08.34 | King_Brad | that took 2 hrs |
| 03:08.35 | starscalling | yeah i recall seeing soemthing about that.. |
| 03:08.43 | Wyzard|TP | King_Brad: That counter in the kernel will overflow and wrap around to zero at a certain point |
| 03:08.44 | starscalling | King_Brad, it wrapps at 4gigs |
| 03:08.46 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: it wraps around every 2**32 or so |
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| 03:08.50 | starscalling | no matter what. |
| 03:08.53 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 03:09.01 | King_Brad | will an apache module overflow the same? |
| 03:09.04 | King_Brad | or show me the TOTAL |
| 03:09.10 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: no, because it does it for each site. |
| 03:09.24 | King_Brad | i dont want it for each site, just each eth |
| 03:09.28 | King_Brad | eth0 and eth1 |
| 03:09.30 | Wyzard|TP | and it hopefully uses a 64-bit counter rather than a 32-bit one |
| 03:09.36 | benjamindees | Amarande, I'm not qualified to say, but doesn't appear to be a security issue, just crashes and/or FF allocating huge amounts of memory |
| 03:09.45 | Azar | starscalling: http://www.nethack.org/v323/Guidebook.html#_TOCentry_1 |
| 03:09.52 | Wyzard|TP | since that won't overflow (at least, not for any amount of data you'll ever transfer in your lifetime) |
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| 03:09.54 | King_Brad | ima go check out apaches website |
| 03:10.05 | Amarande | benjamindees: yeah, that's what I was most concerned about |
| 03:10.11 | ootput | FF has severe memory leak issues |
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| 03:10.13 | King_Brad | Wyzard|TP, i recieve about 500gigs every 2 - 3days |
| 03:10.20 | King_Brad | :) |
| 03:10.20 | Amarande | so far, I haven't seen any other pages choke other than that one wikipedia article |
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| 03:10.24 | Amarande | actually, maybe that's a good thing |
| 03:10.36 | Amarande | I have a tendency to waste entirely too much time on wikipedia if I'm let to :) |
| 03:10.38 | starscalling | lol sweet Azar :) |
| 03:10.48 | King_Brad | k |
| 03:10.50 | dondelelcaro | King_Brad: see libapache-mod-acct-mysql FE |
| 03:10.50 | King_Brad | thx for advice |
| 03:10.51 | King_Brad | bbl |
| 03:10.51 | Wyzard|TP | King_Brad: A 64-bit counter will overflow after you've transferred a few billion gigabytes... |
| 03:10.59 | King_Brad | awsome |
| 03:11.07 | benjamindees | Amarande, I've seen FF running with hundreds of megs of memory lately |
| 03:11.09 | King_Brad | does the kernel have to be 64bit for that to work? |
| 03:11.12 | Wyzard|TP | no |
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| 03:11.15 | ootput | no |
| 03:11.18 | Wyzard|TP | That's a different issue |
| 03:11.21 | King_Brad | thats what i want then |
| 03:11.24 | King_Brad | ty |
| 03:11.32 | Wyzard|TP | I don't know for sure that Apache uses a 64-bit counter |
| 03:11.40 | ootput | it's the network stack |
| 03:11.42 | King_Brad | im on thier website |
| 03:11.46 | King_Brad | ill find somethin i can use |
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| 03:11.55 | Wyzard|TP | but I would guess that it probably does, if you're talking about a module meant for monitoring bandwidth used, because it'd be stupid not to |
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| 03:12.28 | Werther | who can tell me how to mach TAB in emacs, i want change TAB into 6 space |
| 03:14.17 | jjazz_ | Werther: (setq-default tab-width 6) ; Tab width set to 6 spaces |
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| 03:14.55 | Werther | jjazz, thx |
| 03:17.03 | grinder | ok, brain fart time, I forgot how to change the default resolution of my console |
| 03:17.39 | Supaplex | in what directories does pg and mysql store its data? isn't in in /var/lib/mysql,postgres ? I know these directories are there, but I'd like to verify (setting up LVM right now...) |
| 03:17.47 | ootput | is there a way to get articles from newsgroups (locally spooled via slrnpull) to be displayed in mutt? |
| 03:18.00 | mike-m | grinder: do you mean frame buffer ? |
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| 03:18.50 | mike-m | /var/lib/mysql |
| 03:18.56 | grinder | mike-m: yeah, that's the term |
| 03:19.18 | mike-m | i never used postgre |
| 03:19.51 | abrotman | Supaplex: /var/lib/ .. yes |
| 03:20.07 | raden | I have apache installed and running and I have vsftpd running how do i set things up soo people can upload to apache home ? |
| 03:20.09 | Wyzard|TP | Supaplex: You're correct about PG too |
| 03:21.13 | Guerin | raden: read man vsftpd.conf and edit /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 03:21.34 | raden | Guerin, I presume i cant have users jailed to home directories ? |
| 03:21.42 | Supaplex | cool, thanks |
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| 03:21.52 | mike-m | grinder: put vga=xxx for grub or lilo, is this what you are searching for ? |
| 03:22.01 | Guerin | raden: of course you can. |
| 03:22.23 | grinder | mike-m: yep, I don't do it often enough to remember it, thanks |
| 03:22.41 | mike-m | you are welcome :) |
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| 03:23.16 | mike-m | 790 is 1024x768 |
| 03:23.29 | raden | Guerin, im reading i want to have users jailed to there home directories and allow ftp upload to apache |
| 03:24.36 | mombof | ok for all you gpl gurus, i bought a piece of hardware that boots with a debian pre-release 2.4 kernel. Does that mean they have to provide source code? |
| 03:24.38 | Eno_ | How do I get /dev/fb0? I loaded vesafb... but mplayer -vo fbdev still says no such device. |
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| 03:25.16 | abrotman | mombof: probably .. if you really need to know .. ask the debian-legal mailing list |
| 03:25.33 | mombof | abrotman, thx |
| 03:26.30 | spundun | hi all..... I need help recover one of my debian machines... I did a stupid thing of rebooting the machine while it had failed in the middle of synaptic system upgrade.... Now it hangs on boots.... the last message I see is "NET: Registered protocol family 5" ... I dont know what exactly is wrong.. but my guess is that some package got the files upgraded but the configuration didnot get updated... |
| 03:26.41 | spundun | any idea how I should fix this? |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | mombof: nothing to do with debian; all to do with the linux kernel, to which source is already available. But they do have to provide a changelog and copyright notices and so on. |
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| 03:30.50 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:30.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:32.31 | King_Brad | how do i add non-free contribs to apt sources? |
| 03:32.37 | knight | hi all |
| 03:32.39 | King_Brad | what should it look like i mean |
| 03:32.40 | Werther | can i use M-% mach TAB and replace it with 6 spaces, how to do it? |
| 03:32.45 | abrotman | !tell King_Brad about non-free |
| 03:32.51 | King_Brad | ty |
| 03:32.51 | liable | spundun: boot from a rescue disk and see what happens when you chroot in, try running apt-get -f install |
| 03:33.20 | knight | i having a problem installing latest debian its sitting on ' Loading module 'sd_mod' for SCSI disk support'.. |
| 03:33.35 | knight | any who could help i would greatly appreciate |
| 03:33.40 | spundun | liable: ok trying... |
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| 03:34.20 | abrotman | knight: did you try 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
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| 03:34.35 | knight | i believe its 2.6 |
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| 03:34.44 | knight | its the latest one from debian downloaed this morning |
| 03:35.09 | liable | etch or sarge? |
| 03:35.16 | abrotman | knight: what's the name of the iso ? |
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| 03:35.25 | knight | 2 secs i tell ya |
| 03:35.28 | liable | be a bit more specific if you can |
| 03:35.34 | knight | debian-31r1-i386-binary-1 |
| 03:35.47 | abrotman | knight: did you type linux26 when it started ? |
| 03:35.56 | Werther | King_Brad, add a non-free like this line, in you sources.listdeb http://debian.???.com/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 03:36.01 | knight | no let me do that 2 secs |
| 03:36.25 | abrotman | Werther: don't assume he's running testing |
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| 03:36.45 | King_Brad | im running sarge :) |
| 03:36.47 | King_Brad | i know this |
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| 03:36.58 | tyranix | When you reply to bug#@bugs.debian.org, how long should it take to show up on the website? I don't remember ever replying to a bug report. Just curious because I sent an updated diff and I want to make sure it gets there properly. |
| 03:37.00 | King_Brad | i do have testing apt sources tho |
| 03:37.07 | knight | ok starting with linux26 parameter now |
| 03:37.13 | tyranix | err ever before now |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | tyranix: 15 minutes-ish |
| 03:37.22 | rutski89 | How do i remap Caplock to Ctrl if i don't have X11 installed at all? (it's a totally non-gui console based install) |
| 03:37.24 | knight | sweet it worked |
| 03:37.25 | tyranix | abrotman: okay, thanks. |
| 03:37.33 | knight | thanks abrotman |
| 03:37.38 | Werther | King_Brad, replace _testing_ into _sarge_ |
| 03:37.54 | King_Brad | im good :) |
| 03:37.56 | King_Brad | i like testing shit |
| 03:38.02 | King_Brad | its fun to try and crash it |
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| 03:38.47 | jshriver | greetings... |
| 03:38.53 | Matt-H | King_Brad: if you want to test ubuntu feel free... |
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| 03:39.07 | jshriver | is there a tool, or part of debian that ever so often checks the hard drive? |
| 03:39.09 | Werther | i have a question, how mach TAB in emacs, i what replace TAB into 6 spces like use M-% |
| 03:39.25 | liable | Werther: #emacs |
| 03:39.26 | jjazz_ | Werther: #emacs |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | jshriver: checks it for what ? |
| 03:39.54 | King_Brad | Matt-H no thanks |
| 03:39.54 | jshriver | Ever so often maybe once every week or two.. it seems like my computer freezes up, because it's doing A LOT of HD activity.. |
| 03:40.06 | King_Brad | i cant stand ubuntu or kubuntu |
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| 03:40.13 | ootput | is there a way to get articles from newsgroups (locally spooled via slrnpull) to be displayed in mutt? |
| 03:40.20 | jshriver | and it's always on my main linux partition.. not on any of the other ext2/3 partitions/drives |
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| 03:40.26 | Matt-H | King_Brad: "shit" is _not_ a substitute word for "things" then |
| 03:40.35 | jshriver | didnt know if it was a fs thing or not... like it's cataloging the drive, or wtf was going on |
| 03:40.39 | abrotman | jshriver: how can you tell ? |
| 03:40.45 | King_Brad | y not? it works for me |
| 03:40.52 | jshriver | gkrellm lists HD activity maxing out |
| 03:41.01 | liable | jshriver: probably updating the database, is it at a specific time or random? |
| 03:41.21 | mombof | Guerin, thx |
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| 03:41.29 | jshriver | it's not a 100% freeze but I really can;t do anything, the screen updates every other minute.. and if I go to shell I can get a command every 15-30 seconds.. |
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| 03:41.45 | knight | another question in install wen it askes for domain name if i put just .com will it the be hostname.com as the full domain name? |
| 03:41.56 | jshriver | liable: not sure, never really checked.. but it does seem scheduled which made me wonder it was doing something related to a fsck or some kind of hard drive check |
| 03:41.59 | knight | or do i need to put hostname.com for it to be like that |
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| 03:42.26 | vilane | Hi, i am having some issues getting my touchpad to work when im launching X. can anyone point me in the right direction to find docs on X configs for touchpads as well as where to get a driver package for the Dell touchpads? |
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| 03:42.48 | jshriver | ok seems like it's done, my desktop is moving again lol... using my other linux box right now |
| 03:42.56 | abrotman | probably modprobe mousedev and use /dev/input/mice |
| 03:42.57 | jshriver | but does this activity sound familiar or commen? |
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| 03:43.04 | tyranix | Werther: Do you mean display 6 spaces or insert 6 spaces? There are different variables for that. |
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| 03:43.26 | jshriver | s/commen/common |
| 03:43.28 | jml6 | how can I do a net install on my computer? I've got an RT2500 wifi card that isn't detected at setup. |
| 03:43.43 | abrotman | jml6: you have no 10/100 ? |
| 03:43.48 | jshriver | use a NIC |
| 03:43.58 | jshriver | or try modprobe for the driver |
| 03:44.02 | jml6 | abrotman: no I have no access to wired LAN |
| 03:44.15 | Werther | tyranix, I got ansswer in #emacs use ctrl-q, thx any times |
| 03:44.20 | jshriver | er for the wifi driver... I've never tried wifi with linux so can't comment.. |
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| 03:44.25 | jml6 | jshriver: the module was never loaded I guess, it wont find it |
| 03:44.26 | liable | jshriver: check auth.log, did cron just run? |
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| 03:44.33 | jshriver | let me check |
| 03:44.33 | abrotman | jml6: is that an ndiswrapper wifi card ? |
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| 03:45.12 | tatoo | good evening all... |
| 03:45.21 | abrotman | jjazz: yankees are going down! |
| 03:45.23 | liable | jshriver: or messages.. |
| 03:45.45 | tatoo | my X server can't be initiated and i can't figure out why. can somebody help me? |
| 03:45.45 | vilane | abrotman: modprobe came up with nothing outside of the ps/2 port, which has no mouse plugged into it |
| 03:45.52 | liable | jshriver: or syslog :) |
| 03:45.57 | jshriver | holy crap... |
| 03:46.08 | jml6 | abrotman: I've had a bad experience in the past with ndiswrapper, I wonder if there is a way to have the installation install the card...ubuntu configured automatically, but using Debian makes me feel elite. |
| 03:46.14 | jshriver | there's tons of stuff about ppl trying to ssh usin a bunch of diff names.. |
| 03:46.15 | liable | hehe, i couldnt remember what cron was best logged in.. :) |
| 03:46.16 | gau` | hello all i keep getting these messages debian kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode .... in xterm .. maybe my cpu is too hot or my threshold is too low . now where do i fix the threshold ? at the very leat how do i stop the stupid kernel message running amok over my terminal ? |
| 03:46.36 | jjazz | abrotman: Yeah, coco crisp and coco hottie are an unbeatable combination. Or at least they would be if this were the WWF for teenage girls. |
| 03:46.39 | benjamindees | jml6, you should work on earning that eliteness then... |
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| 03:46.55 | liable | jshriver: take a look at the iptables recent module or fail2ban package. |
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| 03:47.14 | jshriver | hrm.. 'k lol |
| 03:47.23 | abrotman | vilane: use mousedev and /dev/input/mice :) |
| 03:47.30 | jshriver | I have a ton of these |
| 03:47.31 | jshriver | Feb 3 05:54:11 localhost sshd[9438]: Illegal user nancy from ::ffff:221.186.137.138 |
| 03:47.35 | liable | jshriver: and maybe check you logs more often? :) |
| 03:47.36 | jshriver | but with diff names |
| 03:47.40 | abrotman | jml6: i don't know what driver that card requires |
| 03:47.44 | jshriver | I'm behind a firewall though |
| 03:47.52 | abrotman | jjazz: wtf is coco hottie ? |
| 03:48.00 | liable | duh, but you let ssh through.. |
| 03:48.18 | jshriver | yeah crap |
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| 03:48.24 | jshriver | closes it up |
| 03:48.54 | jml6 | abrotman: well its a ralink rt2500 chip thats the driver used in ubuntu, is there a way to load a driver when the installation asks to pick an ethernet card? |
| 03:49.25 | jjazz | abrotman: Nobody. It's a joke from a Yankee fan board I was reading earlier. |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | jjazz: eegads .. you have a bad team .. and a bad sense of humor :) |
| 03:49.48 | vilane | abrotman: still nothing on modprobe. just gives me the prompt again after no messages |
| 03:49.57 | abrotman | !drxx vilane |
| 03:49.57 | dpkg | vilane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:49.58 | jshriver | me closes up the ports... |
| 03:49.59 | jshriver | brb |
| 03:50.02 | abrotman | vilane: and choose /dev/input/mice |
| 03:50.12 | liable | jml6: no, there are native drivers for it, but you need to compile them, therefore you need the tools to do so.. |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | jml6: did you try the linux26 installer ? |
| 03:50.27 | vilane | abrotman: alright |
| 03:50.59 | jjazz | abrotman: We'll see how this year goes, but I see NY taking the div, as usual. |
| 03:51.22 | abrotman | jjazz: no way .. it will be toronto! |
| 03:51.27 | ootput | is there a way to get articles from newsgroups (locally spooled via slrnpull) to be displayed in mutt? |
| 03:51.46 | jjazz | toronto will take second, followed closely by B'more. The rays will lag. |
| 03:51.48 | jml6 | abrotman: isnt the linux26 installer the one that is used when Return is hit at the boot: prompt? (on etch) if so, yes. |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | jjazz: no way |
| 03:52.02 | Wyzard|TP | jmg: 2.4 is the default |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | jml6: oh .. on etch .. i believe so |
| 03:52.09 | liable | ootput: try in #mutt if you cant get an answer. |
| 03:52.12 | jshriver | lol that attack was from Japan.. tracerouted it |
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| 03:52.34 | Wyzard|TP | jshriver: You might consider disabling password authentication on your sshd |
| 03:52.54 | Wyzard|TP | jshriver: allow public-key only... that way those brute-force attacks will have no chance of succeeding |
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| 03:53.26 | jjazz | abrotman: I think everything for NY will depend on the pitching. Middle relief is questionable and starting rotation has high upside, but no guarantees. |
| 03:53.51 | jshriver | I have shadow, etc etc for passwd |
| 03:53.59 | vilane | abrotman: still not recognizing anything on modprobe. its likely that linux doesnt even realize i have the touchpad |
| 03:54.05 | jml6 | liable: well i only have access to a net install cd right now, so I guess I'm outta luck until I can get all of the make tools? |
| 03:54.07 | jshriver | just going to close the port since I dont ssh home |
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| 03:54.09 | Wyzard|TP | jshriver: That's irrelevant in this case |
| 03:54.17 | tyranix | jshriver: And you can setup your public key to only allow certain IPs. |
| 03:54.18 | abrotman | vilane: i bet it does :) |
| 03:54.34 | abrotman | vilane: did you reconfigure X yet? |
| 03:54.42 | Wyzard|TP | jshriver: Shadow files help against an attacker who has a copy of /etc/passwd and wants to do an offline attack against it |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | !drxx vilane |
| 03:54.45 | dpkg | vilane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:55.05 | vilane | abrotman: yes reconfigured x. it will not boot though because it has no "pointer" |
| 03:55.10 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm skeptical .. but i'm pretty sure the AL Champ won't be from the AL East |
| 03:55.22 | abrotman | vilane: what kernel are you running ? |
| 03:55.26 | jjazz | abrotman: Who do you think it will be? |
| 03:55.31 | abrotman | jjazz: chicago |
| 03:55.31 | vilane | 3.1 sarge |
| 03:55.37 | abrotman | vilane: that's not a kernle |
| 03:55.38 | vilane | so whatever lin kernel is on that |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 03:55.51 | abrotman | or uname -r |
| 03:55.52 | vilane | 2.4.27 |
| 03:55.53 | knight | how long would it take to do full install using http to get the packages |
| 03:56.00 | abrotman | define full install |
| 03:56.05 | knight | everything |
| 03:56.07 | jshriver | hrm, is public-key not the default way sshd is setup? |
| 03:56.07 | knight | all packages |
| 03:56.12 | jshriver | I just did apt-get install sshd |
| 03:56.13 | abrotman | vilane: your mouse is either /dev/psaux .. or /dev/input/mice |
| 03:56.16 | abrotman | knight: you can't |
| 03:56.17 | Wyzard|TP | knight: You would never install all packages |
| 03:56.21 | knight | lol |
| 03:56.22 | jshriver | and let sshd do it's thing |
| 03:56.30 | vilane | abrotman: ok. i'll play with it some more |
| 03:56.34 | knight | ok then thought ide check before i install |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | vilane: with 2.6.8 .. it should be /dev/input/mice |
| 03:56.45 | Wyzard|TP | knight: It's not even possible to install *all* of them together, because some of them conflict with each other |
| 03:56.47 | jshriver | hrm bbl |
| 03:56.48 | jjazz | abrotman: It's a good guess. Do they have El Duque back, or was he a one-year deal? |
| 03:56.48 | jshriver | exit |
| 03:56.48 | Kerr_ | apt: his mouse is a laptop-mousepad, afaik O.o |
| 03:56.50 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, Kerr_ |
| 03:56.52 | knight | cause i only have cd one at the moment but im downloading the rest as we speek |
| 03:56.53 | abrotman | vilane: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 03:56.56 | Kerr_ | abrotman: ^^ |
| 03:57.01 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev or modprobe psmouse |
| 03:57.03 | abrotman | jjazz: traded ? |
| 03:57.04 | jetscreamer | used to work |
| 03:57.06 | abrotman | Kerr_: so ? |
| 03:57.12 | jjazz | abrotman: To whom? |
| 03:57.12 | Wyzard|TP | knight: but more importantly, 95% of them are things you'll never use |
| 03:57.29 | abrotman | jjazz: i thought he went to arizona .. and they got vazquez in return |
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| 03:57.39 | jjazz | abrotman: Ah, yes. I think I did hear that. |
| 03:57.43 | Wyzard|TP | knight: the CDs are sorted in approximate reverse order of "popularity"... the first few have the most commonly-used software |
| 03:57.58 | knight | yea i know |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | jjazz: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chw/roster;_ylt=Ak3I1jjRp6iWgyKJtE43IMwyNbgF |
| 03:58.01 | Wyzard|TP | knight: The first CD has all you need for a basic working system with the typical tools |
| 03:58.04 | Kerr_ | abrotman: it's inferior by default, to a laptop nipple? .. i dunno. I'm just guessing a mousepad-thing isn't gonna be psaux |
| 03:58.16 | knight | yea |
| 03:58.23 | Wyzard|TP | knight: But if you have an Internet connection available on the machine where you're installing, you don't need to download the full CDs anyway; get the netinst |
| 03:58.33 | knight | kk |
| 03:58.38 | jjazz | Vaz is up and down... brilliance punctuated by home runs. Too bad he didn't work for the Yankees. |
| 03:58.39 | abrotman | Kerr_: mine (a nipple) is /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice .. and his should be also |
| 03:58.47 | knight | ints trying to ftp debian for the sources now |
| 03:58.51 | Matt-H | Kerr_: my touchpad is /dev/psaux (a Synaptics) |
| 03:59.00 | jetscreamer | ah pad nm , or try mousedev |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | jjazz: for someone who can't keep his crap together .. he has a sickening amount of Ks |
| 03:59.11 | Wyzard|TP | knight: That way you only download the packages that are actually being installed on your system, and not a bunch of others that sit on the CD and never get used |
| 03:59.13 | jjazz | Yes he does. |
| 03:59.19 | jetscreamer | there's a synaptic module isn't there |
| 03:59.21 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 03:59.24 | Kerr | ahh |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | jjazz: i predict johnny damon blows his shoulder out by the allstar game :) |
| 04:00.01 | Kerr | mine (nipple) was /dev/input/mice i think.. though that was a long time ago.. (150mhz thinkpad) |
| 04:00.27 | Wyzard|TP | Kerr: In 2.6 kernels, /dev/psaux is a backward-compatibility thing which is completely equivalent to /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:00.51 | jjazz | abrotman: I predict he gets booed opening day. |
| 04:01.02 | abrotman | jjazz: doubt it |
| 04:01.20 | jjazz | abrotman: I know some of my friends will be there to tell him he still sucks. |
| 04:01.24 | abrotman | bah . i've seen this House like 10 times |
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| 04:01.31 | jjazz | house? |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | the show |
| 04:01.39 | jjazz | abrotman: You playing Zork? |
| 04:01.49 | jjazz | abrotman: open the trophy case |
| 04:01.57 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | jjazz: he's a good lead off .. decent fielder . but i think he's falling apart |
| 04:02.02 | Wyzard|TP | that's something I haven't seen in a long time |
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| 04:02.10 | Wyzard|TP | like... 1985 |
| 04:02.40 | abrotman | Wyzard|TP: beer? |
| 04:02.48 | grinder|laptop | if my /usr/src directory is empty, which package am I missing that contains all the header files etc? |
| 04:02.57 | jjazz | abrotman: his best years are behind him, but he can still run and he can still get on base. His power numbers aren't going to be helped by YS, either. |
| 04:02.59 | Wyzard|TP | abrotman: Cabot cheddar cheese! |
| 04:03.15 | abrotman | jjazz: what power numbers |
| 04:03.17 | jjazz | abrotman: he's a marked improvement over Bernie |
| 04:03.22 | jjazz | abrotman: exactly |
| 04:03.26 | abrotman | jjazz: that remains to be seen |
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| 04:03.49 | abrotman | jjazz: i wouldn't have paid that much for him |
| 04:03.53 | abrotman | jjazz: and i like him :) |
| 04:04.00 | jjazz | abrotman: You didn't watch Bernie 100+ times last year. Seeing him in the field got painful. |
| 04:04.15 | abrotman | jjazz: would you rather watch Manny? :) |
| 04:04.24 | jjazz | abrotman: The only problem is Johnny doesn't solve the first to third problem we had with Bernie. |
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| 04:04.56 | abrotman | jjazz: would you rather have coco crisp? :) |
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| 04:05.14 | jjazz | abrotman: no, I wouldn't, although I think Crisp was a good pickup. |
| 04:05.23 | abrotman | jjazz: because there was nothing else left :) |
| 04:05.23 | jjazz | Young, cheap and probably going to get better. |
| 04:05.39 | jjazz | Yeah, not exaclty a great FA market. |
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| 04:06.02 | abrotman | jjazz: can we trade you david wells ? :) |
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| 04:06.39 | abrotman | raden: did you bring Point beer? |
| 04:07.13 | robrock | quick question i just got a dvd-rw , tested some stuff in windows :( ,, any way on the 3.1_r1 iso i see 2 for dvd binary-1 and -2 do i need to download both? |
| 04:07.15 | jjazz | abrotman: Only if he comes with a warranty. I wonder what the Sox will get for him. |
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| 04:07.20 | Fr0Gs | hey all |
| 04:07.30 | raden | abrotman, sorry bro |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | jjazz: i'd settle for decent prospects TBH |
| 04:07.37 | abrotman | raden: darn you! |
| 04:07.40 | raden | LOL I know |
| 04:08.11 | jjazz | I'm not sure he's worth decent prospects. Maybe from the Mets. |
| 04:08.11 | Supaplex | where's the developer channel etc for debian-installer? |
| 04:08.21 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:08.38 | jjazz | abrotman: Because the Mets are betting the farm this year. |
| 04:08.48 | abrotman | jjazz: he could be .. depends if a 15 game winner gets you in the lead for the devision |
| 04:08.49 | SerajewelKS | is there something like Winamp AVS for xmms (or any other media player) -- if not, would it be all that difficult to write something similar? |
| 04:08.56 | abrotman | jjazz: no . i meant Supaplex : why? |
| 04:08.59 | jjazz | abrotman: True enough. |
| 04:09.02 | robrock | quick question i just got a dvd-rw , tested some stuff in windows :( ,, any way on the 3.1_r1 iso i see 2 for dvd binary-1 and -2 do i need to download both? |
| 04:09.10 | SerajewelKS | that's really the thing i miss most about windows.. but if something comparable existed on linux *and* had a simple plugin interface for new effects, we'd have something |
| 04:09.12 | abrotman | jjazz: would you trade a 2B prospect for wells ? |
| 04:09.17 | Supaplex | robrock: you generally only need the first disk. even the netboot works if you have internet access. |
| 04:09.19 | abrotman | robrock: what was that ? |
| 04:10.14 | jjazz | abrotman: I don't think we have any 2B prospects, at least nobody in AA or AAA. All our prospects project as pitchers, 3B, 1B or OF. So, I'd gladly give you our best 2B prospect for Wells. ;) |
| 04:10.17 | Supaplex | I've having LVM issues, d-i refuses to remember anything about the volume group I setup |
| 04:10.25 | robrock | on mirrors.kernel.org thay have debian-cd and under 3.1_r1 i see 2 iso's for the jigdo dvd set do i need both? |
| 04:10.32 | Wyzard|TP | robrock: If you have an Internet connection available on the machine where you're installing, you don't need the full DVDs at all, just the ~50MB netinst CD |
| 04:10.35 | abrotman | jjazz: hehe |
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| 04:10.58 | abrotman | jjazz: or an OF prospect .. afaik wells only wants to go to West coast |
| 04:11.12 | robrock | Wyzard|TP: there are times i dont have a net connection |
| 04:11.19 | robrock | witch is why i asked |
| 04:11.20 | Wyzard|TP | robrock: you only need both if you want to have the entire release (all the optional packages, 95% of which most pepole will never install) available to a system which has no Internet connection |
| 04:11.22 | Cashel | Anyone running SLI under a debian based system yet? |
| 04:11.31 | abrotman | sli? |
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| 04:11.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.35 | Wyzard|TP | robrock: The first disc contains more commonly-used software |
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| 04:11.37 | jetscreamer | not very all? |
| 04:11.45 | jetscreamer | just 'kinda' all |
| 04:11.45 | robrock | ok thanks. |
| 04:11.52 | jetscreamer | 'almost' all ? |
| 04:11.58 | robrock | be back tomorrow after i have debian on a box |
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| 04:12.03 | grinder|laptop | if my /usr/src directory is empty, which package am I missing that contains all the header files etc? |
| 04:12.10 | jjazz | abrotman: Our closest OF prospect is Melky, and he couldn't pull it together in his brief audition. Too early, but still, I don't think anybody's opinion of him went up from that display. |
| 04:12.11 | Cashel | abrotman, yes... as apposed to PCI-e , etc... |
| 04:12.14 | Wyzard|TP | grinder: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 04:12.21 | abrotman | grinder|laptop: linux-header* or kernel-header* |
| 04:12.26 | Wyzard|TP | grinder: (or "linux-headers" if you're using one of the newer kernels in testing/unstable) |
| 04:12.35 | abrotman | Cashel: well .. i think that'd depend on the driver you use eh ? |
| 04:12.38 | jetscreamer | grinder: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` (or substitute kernel for linux) |
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| 04:12.39 | grinder|laptop | nope, using 2.4 |
| 04:12.54 | grinder|laptop | ahh, forgot to try linux-header, just tried "header" and "src" |
| 04:13.14 | jetscreamer | type that exactly ... apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:13.15 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 04:13.16 | abrotman | grinder|laptop: it would be kernel-header |
| 04:13.18 | Fr0Gs | has anyone succseffully got an ati driver to work with 3d? |
| 04:13.24 | abrotman | noone |
| 04:13.24 | Wyzard|TP | grinder: "kernel-source" has the source code you'd use to compile a custom kernel, but to compile modules for use with a precompiled kernel, you use kernel-headers |
| 04:13.34 | quitte | how can i get a list of all unstable packages in section main for architecture all? |
| 04:13.35 | jetscreamer | ati barfs in xorg 6.9 |
| 04:13.53 | grinder|laptop | ok, once I figure out how to get my wireless card online I'll be set |
| 04:13.54 | grinder|laptop | thanks all |
| 04:13.55 | Wyzard|TP | hehe, didn't notice that |
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| 04:14.31 | Wyzard|TP | jetscreamer: I've seen several people say that, but not seen anyone explain exactly what they mean by it... I find it hard to believe that a driver that works with 6.8 would fail with 6.9 |
| 04:14.54 | Fr0Gs | hmmm |
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| 04:15.44 | ootput | hi guys, i was wondering if it was possible to customize the default locations for leafnode's fetchnews |
| 04:16.24 | kspath | So no one knows anyone associated with debianplanet.org? |
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| 04:16.48 | ootput | still down, hey? |
| 04:16.54 | madradrone | what partition types can be shrunk? |
| 04:17.00 | madradrone | other than ext3? |
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| 04:17.50 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: You mean filesystems, not partition types... ext3 and reiserfs can be shrunk; XFS and (I think) JFS cannot |
| 04:18.08 | Fr0Gs | is it possible to get ati working good with X-Free on Debian becuase i have done it with ubuntu |
| 04:18.12 | Fr0Gs | 4.10. |
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| 04:18.38 | kspath | ootput: well the domain is and I do not know the IP of the site unfortunately. I started keeping lists of IPs for hosts a long time ago for this very reason but I got lazy |
| 04:19.14 | Wyzard|TP | Fr0Gs: The ATI driver is available as a package only in unstable, so for sarge you'd need to look for a backport or (less preferably) use ATI's tarball installer |
| 04:19.18 | Cashel | Fr0Gs, Radeon? Looked at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html ? |
| 04:19.23 | Wyzard|TP | Fr0Gs: but it does work |
| 04:19.56 | Fr0Gs | so it is possible to get it working with 3d ey |
| 04:20.09 | Wyzard|TP | yes |
| 04:20.16 | Wyzard|TP | though ATI's Linux driver is buggy |
| 04:20.22 | Cashel | Frosted, my Radeon 9600 pro works like a charm in every distro I ever tried.... just after a LOT of hassle :) |
| 04:20.24 | Fr0Gs | am i using debian sarge i dunno if i am LOL |
| 04:20.31 | Wyzard|TP | nVidia is generally considered to be preferable for Linux users |
| 04:20.47 | Wyzard|TP | Fr0Gs: "Sarge" is the name of Debian 3.1, the current stable release |
| 04:22.17 | Wyzard|TP | (not that nVidia's driver doesn't have its own bugs, but ATI seems to be a bit worse) |
| 04:23.13 | kspath | night |
| 04:23.15 | quitte | i need a list a list of all available packages that are for all archs. |
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| 04:24.21 | JRWR-Tux | i change my sources list from stable to testing. im doing a dist-upgrade, should i shutdown X11 |
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| 04:25.47 | Wyzard|TP | JRWR-Tux: It wouldn't be a bad idea, but it shouldn't be necessary |
| 04:26.00 | Fr0Gs | debian rocks |
| 04:26.09 | JRWR-Tux | cool |
| 04:26.12 | Wyzard|TP | JRWR-Tux: You'd want to restart X after the upgrade, though, to get the new one running |
| 04:27.36 | JRWR-Tux | reboot |
| 04:28.33 | i3dmaster | Does any1 know what command can sync partition table after fdisk a new partition so there is no reboot needed? |
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| 04:29.26 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: fdisk does it automatically when it saves the changes, though it only works if nothing else on the disk is currently-in use (i.e. other partitions mounted, swapspace enabled, etc.) |
| 04:29.42 | Amarande | wow, stuff in sid that doesn't require me to pull half of sid along with it :) |
| 04:30.16 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It'll warn you if it fails to load the new partition table into the kernel, I think |
| 04:30.19 | Amarande | now what did I do with my Diablo 2 discs |
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| 04:30.35 | starscalling | what are fairly safe permissions for a ftp upload directory? so that a .so or so isnt executed creating a process that can compromize the system? |
| 04:30.39 | Nurbs | i3dmaster: you can use blockdev --rereadpt /dev/foo, but it will fail like fdisk does if you don't remove the cause for fdisk failing |
| 04:30.57 | JRWR-Tux | So a reboot after the upgrade should work fine, no confilt errors or somthing |
| 04:31.27 | Wyzard|TP | JRWR-Tux: Should, yes, but since it's testing, there may be bugs |
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| 04:31.33 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I don't think so. After w write to table, fdisk warns you to reboot... |
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| 04:31.53 | Supaplex | after setting an lvm volume group, I still get "No volume group found" (debian-installer), is there some other way to approach this? What else can I try? |
| 04:32.10 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: "WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy." |
| 04:32.13 | zero-1 | How can I mount a serial mice on debian |
| 04:32.19 | i3dmaster | But I know there is a command to do that w/o reboot, so it can be used |
| 04:32.25 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: "The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot." |
| 04:32.29 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Is that what you mean? |
| 04:32.38 | Wyzard|TP | zero-1: You don't mount a mouse... |
| 04:32.54 | JRWR-Tux | i know its testing, but this is a desktop and need to use some newer stuff this is no server |
| 04:33.08 | JRWR-Tux | i always have windows xp! |
| 04:33.13 | zero-1 | sorry.... I mean, I havea serial mouse and im not able to start GDM cause i dont know wich one to pick |
| 04:33.17 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: yes, that what I saw. if you mkfs on it, it says no such partition |
| 04:33.21 | Supaplex | JRWR-Tux: s/have/hate/ |
| 04:33.23 | Amarande | starscalling, usually trying to execute a shared library directly causes a segfault :) |
| 04:33.30 | JRWR-Tux | ? |
| 04:33.30 | benjamindees | maybe I'm missing it, but what option can I use to create a unified diff in sarge? |
| 04:33.35 | JRWR-Tux | s/have/hate? |
| 04:33.51 | Supaplex | JRWR-Tux: it's a regular expression, repace have with hate |
| 04:33.55 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: If you don't get that message, you don't need to reboot... if you do get that message, the new table couldn't be loaded because other partitions on the drive are currently in use |
| 04:33.59 | JRWR-Tux | OH |
| 04:34.01 | JRWR-Tux | ;p; |
| 04:34.09 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: Try running /lib/libc.so.6 :-) |
| 04:34.12 | quitte | sorry for repeating myself but im sure someone knows. how can i get a list of all packages that are architecture independant to download them? |
| 04:34.15 | Nurbs | i3dmaster: try blockdev --rereadpt /dev/foo |
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| 04:35.31 | i3dmaster | blockdev --rereadpt /dev/hda14 |
| 04:35.31 | i3dmaster | /dev/hda14: No such file or directory |
| 04:35.31 | Nurbs | i3dmaster: /dev/hda |
| 04:35.31 | i3dmaster | /dev/hda14 1240 1305 530113+ 83 Linux |
| 04:35.31 | Nurbs | hda14? wth are you doing? :) |
| 04:35.31 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: You can unmount the other filesystems and deactivate any swap that's currently enabled on that drive, so that nothing is using the drive anymore, and then use the blockdev command |
| 04:35.31 | Wyzard|TP | Nurbs: You run it on the whole-disk device, /dev/hda, not on a partition |
| 04:35.31 | i3dmaster | fdisk shows it, but nothing works on it yet. |
| 04:35.31 | Supaplex | he's avoiding lvm apparently :P |
| 04:35.31 | Nurbs | Wyzard: I do know that :) |
| 04:35.37 | Wyzard|TP | Nurbs: oops :-) |
| 04:35.42 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: You run it on the whole-disk device, /dev/hda, not on a partition |
| 04:35.48 | Nurbs | i3dmaster: /proc/partitions needs to show it. |
| 04:36.05 | Nurbs | i3dmaster: but you really shouldn't create that many partitions |
| 04:36.06 | batbeak | libreadline.so.4 dissapeared. I apt-got the package already, but where'd it go? where's the log listing all of what an install removes? the last thing I did was get sqlite3... |
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| 04:36.07 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I did and it said device busy |
| 04:36.20 | i3dmaster | Nurbs: that's a test box |
| 04:36.21 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Yes, because other partitions on the drive are still in use |
| 04:36.24 | Nurbs | i3dmaster: reboot if you can't unmount all partitions |
| 04:36.38 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: You can either unmount them and try again, or you can reboot |
| 04:36.40 | Nurbs | repeating ad nauseam ;) |
| 04:36.45 | Nurbs | g'night |
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| 04:37.37 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: well I thought someone would know the command to sync the table without rebooting... sure, I will do reboot later but I really want to remember that command since I used that before |
| 04:38.48 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: We've told you how to load the new partition table without rebooting, several times... but, for the fourth time, IT ONLY WORKS IF NOTHING ELSE ON THE DRIVE IS IN-USE |
| 04:39.08 | Wyzard|TP | If you have other partitions which are still mounted, or swapspace which is enabled, it will fail |
| 04:39.17 | Nurbs | yep. the kernel won't do it otherwise, no matter what command. |
| 04:40.46 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP, Nurbs: k but I doubt.. I will do some research |
| 04:41.13 | Nurbs | I think I even read the kernel source once to confirm exactly that. |
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| 04:41.18 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: If other partitions on the drive are mounted, you cannot load an updated partition table |
| 04:41.30 | Wyzard|TP | It's not an issue of researching to find the right command... the kernel is not capable of doing it |
| 04:41.39 | Fr0Gs | does anyone know any driver sources.list backports? |
| 04:41.44 | Wyzard|TP | It can't discard the old partition table while entries in it are still being used |
| 04:43.31 | Cashel | Wyzard, chroot to a floppy and umount the partitions... |
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| 04:45.58 | Cashel | or not.. |
| 04:46.25 | Cashel | Anyone using SLI or PCI-e on a 939 based board? Hows life? :) |
| 04:46.35 | Fr0Gs | nope i wish |
| 04:47.02 | Amarande | You mean a Jetway 939 board? |
| 04:47.06 | Cashel | I have an AMD 64 x2 chip sitting on my desk screamming at me "DOC! DOC! BUY A DAMNED MOMMA FOR ME!" |
| 04:47.07 | Amarande | oh, 939 as in socket 939 |
| 04:47.07 | Cashel | lol |
| 04:47.15 | Cashel | yeah :) |
| 04:47.16 | Amarande | Yes, I'm using PCI-E on a Socket 939 |
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| 04:47.31 | Amarande | GeForce 6600 and Athlon 64 3500+ here |
| 04:47.36 | Cashel | Amarande, nvidia card I take it? linux support is good? |
| 04:47.39 | Amarande | currently installing Diablo II via WINE |
| 04:47.40 | Cashel | ahhh |
| 04:47.41 | Amarande | yes, quite good |
| 04:47.45 | Amarande | though if you have nForce4 |
| 04:47.45 | jlj | has the "vesa" driver been removed from x.org? |
| 04:47.59 | Cashel | Well I have neither.. I have an ATI Radeon 9600 ... |
| 04:48.05 | Amarande | make sure you buy an ethernet card, because the onboard apparently isn't supported (though I had decided to buy an eth card anyway for other reasons) |
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| 04:49.08 | Cashel | I have networking covered.. all I realy need is SATA, X2 support, and an agp architecture to match whatever card I want to buy, and I'll buy that card based first on linux capatability, second on performance... |
| 04:49.10 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: ok found it. partprobe, try that. |
| 04:49.11 | ChrisBradley | hey fireba11_grr - how ya been |
| 04:49.27 | ChrisBradley | PS - I don't forget people |
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| 04:50.18 | Cashel | I havent heard of anyone using SLI in linux tho.. but then I'm not a very up to date kind of guy (getting a lot of overtime lately tho, ehhe) |
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| 04:50.44 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP, Nurbs: no reboot needed whatsoever |
| 04:50.46 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That just does the same thing fdisk and blockdev do |
| 04:50.56 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It will still fail if the drive is in use |
| 04:51.33 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: As I said, the kernel is *not capable* of loading a new partition table when the old one is in use |
| 04:51.35 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: NO! You will fail with fdisk and blockdev cause table isn't sync'ed. the partprobe is sync'ing the partition table |
| 04:51.51 | i3dmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.12 | i3dmaster | after that, /proc/partition show the new partition. |
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| 04:53.11 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: partprobe is the command to run before anything works. |
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| 04:53.28 | Amarande | hmm, couple weird things with wine |
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| 04:53.37 | Amarande | one, it keeps resetting my screen res to 640x480 when I run this particular game |
| 04:53.40 | i3dmaster | partprobe is a program that informs the operating system kernel of partition table changes, by requesting that the operating system re-read the partition table |
| 04:53.54 | i3dmaster | it lets kernel to re-read the partition table. |
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| 04:54.13 | i3dmaster | at this moment, kernel doesn't drop anything. |
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| 04:55.15 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: anyway thanks for help. Glad I found it from my very old notes... |
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| 04:55.41 | zebalin7 | Have a Q: earlier this evening I did a synaptic reload and saw that there where some python programs to be updated. Later I did another reload and they are gone? What happened? |
| 04:55.42 | Amarande | ahh, now Diablo 2 is working |
| 04:55.53 | SerajewelKS | i'm running an ntp daemon and my clock is getting ahead of the ntp servers. 'ntpdate -q pool.ntp.org' shows that my system is ~10 minutes fast. why is this? |
| 04:56.16 | starscalling | Amarande, shared library=segfault eh.. kewl |
| 04:56.19 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I suspect either you unmounted your other filesystems on that disk, or partprobe did it for you, or partprobe is using some sort of very ugly hack to modify internal kernel data structures |
| 04:56.40 | starscalling | trying to set up pureftpd fairly safely.. so i can chmod 777 /path/to/ftp/dir ? |
| 04:56.40 | Fr0Gs | how do i upgrade to xorg |
| 04:56.43 | Fr0Gs | instead of xfree! |
| 04:56.45 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: No, I don't do those cheat things. |
| 04:57.06 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I used that command before. If you don't believe, try it yourself |
| 04:57.13 | Amarande | starscalling: well, usually at least |
| 04:57.15 | i3dmaster | its from parted package |
| 04:57.23 | Amarande | some shlibs, like glibc, will simply give the glibc copyright info and such |
| 04:57.26 | SerajewelKS | also, my /dev/fuse has disappeared... |
| 04:58.10 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: btw, I am in the middle of installing DB2, so I don't want to reboot, of course I can't umount any filesystems on that disk |
| 04:58.11 | starscalling | lol ok Amarande :) foloowing : http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/pureftp.htm |
| 04:58.12 | starscalling | :) |
| 04:58.14 | SerajewelKS | why does random, bad shit happen on my box after etch is updated? /dev/fuse is gone, and my clock is drifting even though an ntp daemon is running? |
| 04:58.41 | Amarande | sera: because etch is the testing distribution |
| 04:58.44 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: that's how you know it loves you. |
| 04:58.46 | Amarande | things are not guaranteed to always work |
| 04:58.55 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: no |
| 04:59.09 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: it's not supposed to remove random files that have no association with the updated packages |
| 04:59.33 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: fuse was not updated, but /dev/fuse was removed. shit like that rarely happens on unstable even. |
| 04:59.33 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That's why I said partprobe must be fiddling with things inside the kernel itself -- if the kernel was capable of doing that on its own, it would work when fdisk requested it |
| 04:59.40 | Amarande | Sera: /dev/fuse was removed? |
| 04:59.49 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: removed, deleted, unlinked |
| 04:59.50 | Amarande | Isn't that managed by udev? |
| 04:59.53 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: the only guarantee made by testing/unstable is that the package was built. if you have issues with it, take it up with bts |
| 04:59.58 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: if i was using udev, it might be |
| 05:00.16 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: "it" could be any one of the packages upgraded |
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| 05:00.59 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: Yes, I agree with that. |
| 05:01.08 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: dpkg-reconfigure fuse-utils doesn't even bring it back |
| 05:01.26 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I'm running it under strace and it's doing weird things like attempting to open all my block devices |
| 05:01.34 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: the man page of partprobe said it tells kernel to re-read the partition table. |
| 05:01.38 | Amarande | sera: sure it didn't edit the kernel? |
| 05:02.06 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: what is "it" exactly? |
| 05:02.07 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I suspect it's building a new copy of the kernel's partition info itself, in userspace, and then poking it into kernel memory or something |
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| 05:02.15 | Amarande | sera: something you changed |
| 05:02.22 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: That's probably not weird as it has to find a way to update the kernel data structure |
| 05:02.27 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: i did not change anything. i did a dist-upgrade. |
| 05:02.36 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Asking the kernel to re-read the partition table is what fdisk and blockdev were already doing, but this is definitely doing more than just making a request on the kernel |
| 05:02.42 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: the kernel has nothing to do with /dev, either |
| 05:02.53 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: might be. |
| 05:02.57 | Amarande | any idea why when upgrading etch, python-gtk2 and python2.3-gtk2 are held back? |
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| 05:03.43 | benjamindees | dependencies that aren't available possibly? |
| 05:03.47 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I don't think fdisk really did that. At least it didn't reflect until system reboots, which means the kernel hasn't been sync'ed. |
| 05:03.50 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It's nifty that it seems to work, but if it's doing that, I wouldn't trust it on an important system -- just something to keep in mind |
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| 05:04.14 | SerajewelKS | MAKEDEV doesn't even know how to make the device |
| 05:04.16 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: ok. |
| 05:04.18 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: No, fdisk *does* successfully cause the partition table to be re-read if nothing else on the disk is mounted |
| 05:04.19 | Amarande | sera: oh that's right, you don't use udev |
| 05:04.23 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I've done that many times |
| 05:04.31 | Amarande | I was going to say, if you used udev, udev only makes devices when it detects they exist |
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| 05:05.04 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: you mean when you parting a umount'ed disk? |
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| 05:05.31 | SerajewelKS | purging and reinstalling fuse-utils doesn't even create /dev/fuse. WHAT THE FUCS |
| 05:05.38 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: yes |
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| 05:06.24 | Amarande | sera: try looking up the right major and minor numbers and using mknod manually |
| 05:06.32 | Brian_L | How can i turn off the system that manages menu entries between wm's and desktops |
| 05:06.33 | Felius | Hi guys.. I'm RTFM but I can't find out how to do the equivalent of an rpm -V using apt or dpkg. I want to see what installed files have changed since a package was installed. |
| 05:06.43 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It asks the kernel to re-read the partition table by making an ioctl() call, as it mentions in the message it prints, and it succeeds when the disk isn't in use and fails when it is |
| 05:06.44 | SerajewelKS | !dbugs 334639 |
| 05:06.46 | Amarande | felius: use debsums |
| 05:06.48 | dpkg | DONE:#334639:G[fuse-utils] fuse-utils must create /dev/fuse (or include an udev rule); Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:18:48 UTC |
| 05:06.54 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I don't have any spare disk, but I believe that's true. But I didn't encounter many that cases. Im using lvm and raid a lot, so most of my cases are creating partition and using it on fly with other partitions on it. |
| 05:06.54 | Felius | Thankyou, I'll try that :) |
| 05:07.06 | SerajewelKS | wow, october... |
| 05:07.28 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: Yes, and that's the part that fdisk asks a reboot |
| 05:07.29 | swatikiss | i am having troubles when I "modprobe nvidia" it says that it cant find a nvidia adapter |
| 05:07.39 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: OK, you use LVM... you know how the "real" block devices created by LVM are in /dev/mapper? |
| 05:07.58 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: yes |
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| 05:08.29 | ootput | I have a question for those of you using slrn. Rather than remote browsing of headers, I chose to use slrnpull to get articles from the groups that I wanted. By default, upon launching slrn, no groups are visible, and only after 'L' '*" are the groups (which reside in the local spool) are visible |
| 05:08.34 | ootput | How do i get the groups visible upon launching slrn |
| 05:08.44 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: but this hasn't had anything to do with that yet. This is the first step to create a device to use as pv |
| 05:08.44 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:08.51 | Amarande | is there any command line interface to GNOME's resolution management tool? |
| 05:09.05 | Amarande | I have a game which whenever I play it in WINE, it dumps me back to 640x480 |
| 05:09.07 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I have /dev/mapper/shion--vg0-home as the block device for my "shion-vg0/home" LV... and partprobe is attempting to open /dev/mapper/shion--vg0-home1 through /dev/mapper/shion--vg0-home15, and getting "no such file or directory" results for each |
| 05:09.17 | Amarande | I'd like to wrap this in a shell wrapper that automatically sets things back afterwards |
| 05:09.23 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It's finding a block device, thinking it might be a disk drive, and scanning it for numbered partitions |
| 05:09.46 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That's what I mean when I say it's doing more than just asking the kernel to load the new table |
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| 05:11.45 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: That's the part Im really not sure. I *guess* if I want to explain it, it will be the fdisk creates the new partition but kernel didn't re-load it until reboot, where partprobe forces kernel to reload the partition table |
| 05:14.04 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: The bottomline is it saves me from rebooting which is good. |
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| 05:14.41 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That's not quite right, though, because the kernel is perfectly capable of loading an updated partition table if the current one isn't in use |
| 05:15.02 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: You're saying that the kernel just doesn't support loading an updated partition table at all, and that's not true |
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| 05:15.47 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It's only when the old partition table is still in use that the kernel can't load it on-the-fly and you (normally) have to reboot to get it recognized |
| 05:16.38 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: another tool is ext2online. it wouldn't run under kernel lower than 2.6. Which has the same meaning of partprobe, where it syncs mounted filesystem on fly. |
| 05:17.22 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: right and I am guessing partprobe is forcing the kernel to load it again on-the-fly. |
| 05:18.06 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That's different... that's for resizing a filesystem while it's mounted, useful if you enlarge the underlying block device (such as an LVM volume) |
| 05:18.12 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: by using ext2online, you don't need to umount filesystem while enlarging the device |
| 05:18.37 | Wyzard|TP | Resizing a block device is a separate operation from resizing a filesystem |
| 05:18.41 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: well they are different, but the same is they all do things on-the-fly. |
| 05:19.04 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Right, but they deal with completely different issues and different parts of the kernel |
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| 05:19.21 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: the same, normally, you umount the filesystem and enlarge your underline block device and mount it back. |
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| 05:20.23 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: right, I am just saying they all offer on-the-fly functions which is very lovely to me |
| 05:20.30 | Wyzard|TP | That's half right |
| 05:20.36 | Wyzard|TP | You enlarge the block device, then enlarge the filesystem |
| 05:21.15 | Wyzard|TP | ReiserFS natively supports enlarging while mounted, and apparently it can be done with ext2 as well |
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| 05:21.55 | Wyzard|TP | But enlarging the underlying block device can be done with the filesystem mounted, even if you then have to unmount the filesystem to enlarge it to fill the rest of the space on the block device |
| 05:22.02 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: ya, right |
| 05:22.52 | Wyzard|TP | Anyway, I'd be hesitant to use partprobe or ext2online on a "mission-critical" system |
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| 05:23.26 | Wyzard|TP | They're both apparently twiddling with things inside the kernel, to produce effects that the kernel drivers don't actually support, and that's risky |
| 05:23.32 | Felius | (actually, I just did an RHCE course and exam in which they *recommend* the use of ext2online on live systems.) |
| 05:23.39 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: don't think you can do that before. system will warn you "changing the filesystem size when it is mounted will damage the system" |
| 05:24.02 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Enlarging the block device isn't changing the filesystem size |
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| 05:24.19 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Try it with one of your LVs -- you can lvextend a volume and "df" will still report the same size for the filesystem |
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| 05:24.42 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: right, but with filesystem mounting on it, kernel wouldn't let you do it normally |
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| 05:24.54 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Only when you use the filesystem resizer does the filesystem actually grow to fill the new space on the block device |
| 05:24.55 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I understand that |
| 05:25.16 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Well, that's true of normal partitions because of the problem you saw with fdisk... but with LVM, it's quite easy to enlarge a block device while a filesystem is mounted on it |
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| 05:25.47 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: my point is using the normall tools, you'd have to umount the fs and do the enlarge but with ext2online, you don't. |
| 05:26.20 | Felius | Are you guys arguing the same thing at each other?? |
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| 05:26.45 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: Reiser supports online enlarging too, as a standard feature -- I'd trust that a little more than ext2online which is apparently hacking a feature into a filesystem driver which doesn't support it |
| 05:26.49 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: yes, like you said, you get nothing before you umount it and do resize2fs... and now with 2.6 and ext2online, you don't need those |
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| 05:27.20 | Amarande | dangit, umount needs a force option to unmount something even if the device or resource is busy |
| 05:27.21 | CLucas916 | anyone have a good sid sources.list that they can lend me? |
| 05:27.23 | Felius | Amarande: Thanks, btw. debsums did exactly what I wanted. |
| 05:27.52 | Amarande | I just munged my Diablo II install under wine because I opened the expansion installer from a shell that was in /media/cdrom0 |
| 05:28.00 | Amarande | and couldn't change discs because it wouldn't let me eject |
| 05:28.11 | Brian_L | paperclip |
| 05:28.12 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That's only a "new" thing with ext2 though... it was already quite possible with reiser, and I've done it several times -- enlarge both the block device and the filesystem while it remains mounted and in active use |
| 05:28.12 | Felius | Ugh. |
| 05:28.14 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: its introduced and tested with RedHat EL4 for a quite a long time. Seems to be quite safe to me |
| 05:28.15 | Amarande | or would such a force option just cause kernel panic? :) |
| 05:28.33 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: That's good to know, if I ever need to use it |
| 05:28.46 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: true, very new. just from RHEL4 |
| 05:29.04 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I generally don't use ext2/3 on large filesystems, though; I use reiser since it's tree-based so it scales better |
| 05:29.13 | wired_ | how can I make a partition span several disks without a raid controller? |
| 05:29.33 | Felius | wired_: use software raid, LVM, or both. |
| 05:29.56 | ootput | anybody know if news.gmane.org is mirrored elsewhere? |
| 05:29.58 | ootput | or if other newsservers sync up with the groups there? |
| 05:30.08 | Wyzard|TP | Software RAID is preferable -- spanning disks without any sort of RAID is risky, because if *any* of the disks fail, you can lose most of the filesystem |
| 05:31.03 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: well.. enough debate on reiserfs and ext3 too. I use ext3 with dir_index some other params... have more than 2T space on that and they seem to be pretty robust. btw, I use reiserfs too. just not reisefs4 |
| 05:31.13 | Felius | true.. but if you're just trying to get a big filesystem then RAID 0 isn't going to provide any safety. |
| 05:32.13 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I don't use reiser4 either, though it looks interesting... but the thing I dislike about ext2/3 is that it has a fixed number of inodes and fixed-size tables all over the place |
| 05:32.33 | wireddd | Felius, I would like to mabe do something like raid 5 but all of the disks are different sizes |
| 05:32.43 | jair_11 | which one is the channel in spanish? |
| 05:32.47 | wireddd | s/mabe/maybe/ |
| 05:32.54 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: There's already been one option (sparse_superblock) added and enabled by default so that big disks wouldn't have thousands of unnecessary backup superblocks |
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| 05:33.29 | Wyzard|TP | wireddd: Can't do that, then |
| 05:33.29 | Marshmellow | hey for those who use APF how would you ban a hostmask such as .pacbell.net ? |
| 05:33.41 | Marshmellow | because i'm reading /etc/apf/deny_hosts.rules and it has 2 hostmasks banned. |
| 05:33.54 | Marshmellow | added by bfd. |
| 05:34.12 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: well, maybe I didn't use it that extreme... I don't feel inode bother me a whole lot. but I only store big files.. it may annoy when billions of small files there.. |
| 05:34.16 | jair_11 | I am trying to figure out how to make the apache server in this case version 2.0 handle the other characters from other languages or contries. |
| 05:35.02 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: These days I use ext3 for /boot and reiser for everything else |
| 05:35.07 | wireddd | Wyzard|TP, yeah I know |
| 05:35.26 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I used to use XFS, but it can't be shrunk (at all, mounted or not), which defeats half the purpose of LVM |
| 05:36.08 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I use reiserfs on my home too cause ext seems not good to handle small files |
| 05:36.48 | Marshmellow | any clue? |
| 05:36.51 | i3dmaster | but for my dvd/music backups, I use ext3 with index sorting, which turns out to be quite efficient |
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| 05:37.59 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: interesting. are you saying there is an option "sparse_superblock" for ext3? |
| 05:38.05 | Marshmellow | hmm it worked. |
| 05:38.18 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: I think it's called "sparse_super", actually |
| 05:39.18 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: ext2/3 store backup superblocks at regular intervals across the disk for recovery purposes, but the interval is small enough that on a modern big disk, there'd be huge numbers of them |
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| 05:39.27 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: you got it. that's it. haven't tried that but thanks for sharing, I am going to see how it works.. |
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| 05:39.40 | duude | hey whats the command to check what ports are being used |
| 05:39.57 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: sparse_super increases the interval between backup superblocks, so that there aren't so many of them |
| 05:39.57 | mfrisch | nma |
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| 05:40.04 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: It's on by default; you don't need to change anything |
| 05:40.17 | iciclebox | where can I find a good tutorial on installing and configuring GRUB? |
| 05:40.19 | mfrisch | duude: nmap |
| 05:40.21 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: But as disks get bigger they're going to need to add a "very_sparse_super" or something like that... |
| 05:40.22 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: sounds good |
| 05:40.24 | jair_11 | donde esta la sala en espanol? |
| 05:40.45 | jair_11 | hello guys I am asking you in English and nobody answer :( |
| 05:40.47 | iciclebox | !grub |
| 05:40.48 | dpkg | methinks grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 05:40.56 | jair_11 | !spanish |
| 05:40.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:41.02 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: on ya, right. Thought I hasn't seen that before.. |
| 05:41.21 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: ha.. kiding. |
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| 05:43.15 | CLucas916 | is kde 3.5 in sid? |
| 05:43.22 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: ya well.. honestly, the superblock thing doesn't bother me a whole lot though... |
| 05:44.19 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: there might be a way to just keep the first 1 or 2 or x number of superblock and get rid of the rest junks.. |
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| 05:44.54 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: I don't know, just guessing.. haven't done any search on that.. |
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| 05:46.12 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: a wonderful chat with you! you are absolutely an expert in Linux. Well I'd go back to finish up my DB2 stuff... |
| 05:46.26 | Wyzard|TP | i3dmaster: hehe... sorry to keep debating you for so long :-) |
| 05:46.45 | jair_11 | how do i enabke apache to show correctly other languages in the web sites that is hosting? |
| 05:46.50 | Marshmellow | whats the default directory to for the pureftpd logs? |
| 05:46.53 | jair_11 | intead shows the "?" |
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| 05:47.16 | mfrisch | duude: got a ? ask it. |
| 05:47.45 | i3dmaster | Wyzard|TP: no, that's perfect. We are all trying to learn more and find out the truth, aren't we? :-) |
| 05:47.56 | i3dmaster | thanks! |
| 05:48.03 | EleckttrusS | ... |
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| 05:48.29 | Wyzard|TP | jair_11: Based on <http://www.opendarwin.org/pipermail/darwinports/2005-August/027181.html>, something like "AddDefaultCharset UTF-8" might help, or at least be a good starting point for research |
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| 05:51.14 | Wyzard|TP | jair_11: Or, it could be that Apache is already expecting UTF-8, but your filenames are in some other encoding, like Shift-JIS or something |
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| 05:51.24 | iciclebox | is it possible to scroll up in a shell? |
| 05:51.31 | iciclebox | !scroll |
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| 05:51.40 | madradrone | reiserfs is only shrunk when unmounted? if it is a LVM LV, then if resize_reiserfs the corresponding LV is shrunk? |
| 05:51.45 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: Shift+PgUp/PgDn |
| 05:51.51 | iciclebox | Wyzard|TP: thanks |
| 05:52.05 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: ReiserFS can be enlarged while mounted, but must be unmounted to shrink |
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| 05:52.37 | jair_11 | Wyzard|TP, Thank you very much my friend I will take a look that. |
| 05:52.38 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: Resizing the filesystem is a separate issue from resizing the LV... you have to shrink the filesystem first, then shrink the LV |
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| 05:52.46 | madradrone | Wyzard: if the filesystem is on a LVM logical volume and it is shrunk - then the logical volume is correspondingly shrunk, right? |
| 05:52.51 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: no |
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| 05:53.23 | jair_11 | Wyzard|TP, any other place I should check out about it? |
| 05:53.33 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: If you have reiserfs on a logical volume and you use resize_reiserfs to shrink the filesystem, the result is a logical volume with a reiserfs at the beginning and unused space at the end |
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| 05:53.53 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: You have to use lvreduce to shrink the LV afterward |
| 05:53.58 | jair_11 | Wyzard|TP, I was also looking for a good tutorial with debian and virtual hosting nice using mysql, ftp, etc.. |
| 05:54.09 | Wyzard|TP | jair_11: dunno about that, sorry |
| 05:54.24 | madradrone | Wyzard|TP: what if i were to run lvreduce on it without running resize_reiserfs? would that mess it up? |
| 05:54.39 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: Yes, that would truncate the filesystem and cause horrible corruption |
| 05:55.08 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: Along the same lines, make sure you don't accidentally shrink the LV by more than you shrunk the reiserfs |
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| 05:56.00 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: As a safety precaution, I generally do it by first shrinking the reiserfs to a *smaller* size than I actually want it to be, then shrinking the LV, then running resize_reiserfs again to enlarge the filesystem to fill the new (smaller) size of the LV |
| 05:56.30 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: (If you run resize_reiserfs without specifying a size, it automatically enlarges to fill the device it's on) |
| 05:56.38 | madradrone | Wyzard|TP: thanks! |
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| 05:56.57 | Felius | ..or use lvdisplay to check the extent size, and shrink it by a multiple of that. |
| 05:57.02 | iciclebox | what is an initrd for when booting? |
| 05:58.02 | quitte | where can i find a complete list of priorities ? the ones that debs have in their priority field. |
| 05:58.06 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: It contains the kernel modules needed to mount the root filesystem (IDE/SCSI drivers, etc.) |
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| 05:59.24 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: Kernel modules are normally kept in a subdirectory of /lib/modules, but at boot time, the kernel can't access that because it hasn't mounted the root filesystem yet, and if it can't mount the root filesystem until after it loads those modules, you have a chicken-and-egg problem |
| 05:59.46 | iciclebox | thank you |
| 05:59.49 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: The initrd is loaded by the bootloader and made available to the kernel, so those drivers can be loaded before the root filesystem is mounted |
| 06:00.11 | iciclebox | debian doesn't seem to have initrd? |
| 06:00.23 | Wyzard|TP | All Debian's precompiled kernels use initrds |
| 06:00.36 | ootput | 2.4 |
| 06:00.41 | Wyzard|TP | That's been true for several years |
| 06:00.41 | iciclebox | I can't seem to find an initrd file in /boot |
| 06:00.49 | mfrisch | on / |
| 06:00.53 | Wyzard|TP | Did you compile a custom kernel? |
| 06:01.08 | ootput | make-kpkg requires --initrd |
| 06:01.37 | iciclebox | no I didn't |
| 06:01.57 | Wyzard|TP | What kernel are you running? |
| 06:01.58 | lakcaj | Hi. Is there an easy way to migrate to python 2.4? |
| 06:02.08 | lakcaj | I tried the following: apt-get --purge remove python python-dev python2.3 python2.3-dev python2.3-gtk2 |
| 06:02.19 | iciclebox | 2.2.20 idepci |
| 06:02.22 | iciclebox | woody |
| 06:02.43 | Wyzard|TP | That's a rather old kernel... that might predate Debian's switch to initrd |
| 06:02.50 | lakcaj | but apt wants to remove alot of packages. |
| 06:03.03 | iciclebox | btw when configuring GRUB, should I indicate kernel as at /vmlinuz or at /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:03.21 | Wyzard|TP | In fact, it definitely does, because "idepci" refers to the set of drivers compiled into the kernel -- initrds are meant specifically to avoid having to do that |
| 06:03.30 | quitte | lakcaj: apt-get source python-defaults. change it to default to python2.4. build it and install it |
| 06:03.31 | Wyzard|TP | lakcaj: You don't have to remove 2.3 to install 2.4 |
| 06:03.53 | Felius | iciclebox: depends on whether you have a separate /boot partition |
| 06:04.06 | iciclebox | Felius: yes, /boot is a separate partition from / |
| 06:04.11 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: Upgrade to a less-ancient kernel |
| 06:04.13 | Felius | iciclebox: use the first if it's separate. |
| 06:04.42 | iciclebox | woody is really ancient |
| 06:04.42 | Wyzard|TP | (For that matter, upgrade to sarge...) |
| 06:04.57 | iciclebox | I will be, after getting GRUB running. LILO doesn't like me |
| 06:05.00 | lakcaj | quitte, there are already python2.4 packages available in sarge, it's just that 2.3 is installed by default. |
| 06:05.18 | Gnea | ootput: no it does not require --initrd |
| 06:05.24 | quitte | lakcaj: apt-get source python-defaults. change it to default to python2.4. build it and install it |
| 06:05.30 | Wyzard|TP | lakcaj: That's because stuff depends on 2.3, and hasn't necessarily been tested/ported to 2.4 yet |
| 06:05.43 | lakcaj | I see. Thanks quitte and Wyzard|TP |
| 06:05.48 | ootput | Gnea: it suits his intention |
| 06:05.51 | Wyzard|TP | lakcaj: Changing the default python to 2.4 could break things |
| 06:05.51 | quitte | lakcaj: what i told you changes the default |
| 06:05.54 | iciclebox | Felius: if I use /vmlinuz, does that mean /boot is useless? |
| 06:06.06 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: /vmlinuz is a symlink to the file in /boot |
| 06:06.15 | Gnea | ootput: that's fine, but misleading people will only come back to haunt you |
| 06:06.53 | iciclebox | does that mean GRUB will automatically mount / and /boot? |
| 06:06.58 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: The advantage is that if you use /vmlinuz, when you upgrade your kernel in the future, you don't have to change your GRUB configuration; just update that symlink (which the current kernel packages do automatically) |
| 06:07.10 | ootput | Gnea: and that's what i was doing, apparently |
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| 06:07.43 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: GRUB only looks at the filesystem containing your /boot directory |
| 06:07.54 | Marshmellow | is there a way to use wild cards with hostmasks in apf? |
| 06:08.17 | iciclebox | Wyzard: thanks! you really helped by providing explanations |
| 06:08.22 | Wyzard|TP | iciclebox: If /boot is on a separate filesystem of its own, /vmlinuz would be inaccessible... that's a good point; I never noticed that before since I always move the symlink to /boot/vmlinuz on my own systems |
| 06:08.40 | Felius | Thanks for the help, people :) |
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| 06:09.35 | iciclebox | ok, going to test grub |
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| 06:14.47 | ali4728 | Help needed, Is it possible to move [scp] a whole directory to a remote server with ssh rather then just files..? |
| 06:15.01 | CompWizrd | scp -r perhaps? |
| 06:15.24 | mfrisch | ali4728: tar it |
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| 06:16.01 | ali4728 | mfrisch, thanx , good idea.. |
| 06:16.27 | CompWizrd | scp -r directory host:/dest should do it |
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| 06:18.44 | liable | scp -r certainly works.. |
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| 06:21.29 | ArtVandalae | I'm trying to umount a cdrom, but it keeps saying it's busy and I can't find what app is using it. Is there any way I can? |
| 06:21.40 | Wyzard|TP | "lsof" or "fuser" |
| 06:22.06 | xst007 | Hi all |
| 06:22.14 | Wyzard|TP | "fuser -m /mnt/cdrom" is probably the most straightforward way |
| 06:22.16 | xst007 | can someone tell me how to scan gateway IP? |
| 06:22.29 | sett | nmap? |
| 06:22.43 | Wyzard|TP | "scan gateway IP" ? |
| 06:22.45 | CompWizrd | i've decided i don't like nmap 4.00 in unstable.. doesn't always do a dns lookup |
| 06:22.47 | xst007 | yes! |
| 06:22.56 | Wyzard|TP | You mean find out the IP address of the gateway on your network |
| 06:23.34 | Wyzard|TP | I'm not aware of any robust way to do that |
| 06:23.37 | xst007 | suppose there are lots of alive ip in my subnet, but i want to know which one is gateway |
| 06:24.06 | vilane | on my boot into gnome from the debian gui login, i get a doubled/partial image on my monitor. how can i fix that? is it improper xconfigs? |
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| 06:24.26 | net_r | how do you add a range of IPs under debian? |
| 06:24.28 | Wyzard|TP | You'd have to try routing packets through each of them and see which one results in your connection going through |
| 06:24.32 | sett | remove gdm |
| 06:24.33 | Wyzard|TP | That'd be slow, though |
| 06:24.58 | xst007 | another idea?? |
| 06:25.10 | vilane | well, i do plan to use icewm, but i think the video problem is more than just gnome |
| 06:25.13 | Wyzard|TP | I don't think there's any other way |
| 06:25.31 | xst007 | it's become discouraged when you have 200+ ip!! |
| 06:25.41 | Wyzard|TP | Gateways don't have any special distinctive properties, other than that they route packets you send through them |
| 06:25.57 | Wyzard|TP | Usually the gateway on a network is the .1 address, though, by convention |
| 06:26.06 | xst007 | Thanks then! |
| 06:26.19 | ma3x | I am running linux-image-2.6.15-1-686, and still there is update for linux-image-2.6.15-1-686. WHat's the difference and should I install it or not? |
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| 06:27.35 | kreg_work | burning dvdr data discs the same process as making cdr data discs? mkisofs and cdrecord? |
| 06:27.45 | ben_ | yeah |
| 06:27.56 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: That's the -4 revision that recently went into the archive... the changes are all just tweaks and fixes on "uncommon" architectures like sparc64 and m68k |
| 06:28.08 | kreg_work | good ol iso9660 is what's on a dvd data disc? |
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| 06:28.21 | Wyzard|TP | kreg_work: Usually, though some contain UDF |
| 06:28.34 | kreg_work | nah just backing up some hard drives |
| 06:28.35 | Wyzard|TP | I'm not sure whether cdrecord can burn DVDs, though |
| 06:28.49 | kreg_work | what do you use? |
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| 06:29.04 | kreg_work | google keeps showing me growisofs, but i just don't see why |
| 06:29.04 | ben_ | i use gnomebaker |
| 06:29.11 | kreg_work | cmdline only |
| 06:29.14 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, so should I install it or not? |
| 06:29.37 | Wyzard|TP | "growisofs", despite the strange name, is the DVD burning program in the "dvd+rw-tools" package |
| 06:29.40 | ben_ | not sure about the cli |
| 06:29.47 | Wyzard|TP | You can use that |
| 06:30.10 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: Unless you have some particular reason not to, I don't see why not |
| 06:30.52 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 06:31.07 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: It does apparently incorporate the upstream 2.6.15.2 |
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| 06:31.20 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: (Previous packages were based on 2.6.15.1) |
| 06:31.25 | xst007 | anyone here hacking Cisco Router? |
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| 06:31.49 | Wyzard|TP | xst007: Why not just ask the administrator of your network about what to use as a gateway? |
| 06:32.45 | xst007 | Wyzard: I just what to know, in fact i'm the administrator of my network! |
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| 06:33.02 | xst007 | but can you tell me how to hack Cisco router? |
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| 06:33.18 | kreg_work | fark do i have to still that old ide-scsi stuff in the boot loader from like 1999? |
| 06:33.28 | Wyzard|TP | xst007: The administrator of your network would be the person who put the gateway there... which you aren't, or you wouldn't be trying to figure out what it is |
| 06:33.44 | Wyzard|TP | xst007: And you also wouldn't be apparently asking about how to break into someone else's network |
| 06:33.48 | Wyzard|TP | xst007: Go away |
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| 06:34.03 | Marshmellow | can i use wildcards in apf? |
| 06:34.24 | Zg_ | Noob question: I'm trying to run a netinstall, but my only net access is wireless (d'oh). Laptop with an Intel 2200BG Card; I know I need the ipw2200 driver but I'm not sure how to install it. Any help? |
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| 06:35.58 | Zg_ | Ah, I suppose I also need to know how to mount my NTFS portion from the bare-bones debian install so I can copy the ipw drivers over |
| 06:37.07 | madradrone | Zg_: ow |
| 06:37.24 | Wyzard|TP | Zg_: Newer kernels have ipw2200 built-in, so after you do the base install, you might want to get a backport of a newer kernel than sarge's 2.6.8 |
| 06:37.48 | madradrone | are wireless tools even on the installer cd? |
| 06:37.54 | Wyzard|TP | Zg_: Past that, all you need is the firmware file, which you can find on the web (though I don't remember where, offhand) |
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| 06:38.26 | aggrav8d | hello! |
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| 06:38.38 | aggrav8d | where are the STL development header files located in debian? |
| 06:39.02 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: /usr/include/c++ |
| 06:39.02 | aggrav8d | I'm trying to port a game that normally compiles fine in mandriva and it tells me it can't find files like vector, list, etc. |
| 06:39.13 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:39.36 | aggrav8d | could not open lock file |
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| 06:39.43 | aggrav8d | unable to lock list directory |
| 06:39.47 | wireddd | aggrav8d, you need to be root |
| 06:39.54 | wireddd | or do it through sudo |
| 06:39.55 | aggrav8d | sorry, i'm new to debian-based systems. |
| 06:39.58 | wireddd | to apt-get |
| 06:40.17 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: If you're used to RPM-based systems, think of apt-get as the eqivalent of yum |
| 06:40.22 | aggrav8d | doh! I thought i already was in that console. |
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| 06:40.40 | aggrav8d | i'm used to urpmi and all associated *$#(*%! |
| 06:40.51 | Wyzard|TP | ah... I haven't used that |
| 06:40.58 | aggrav8d | it will be a great day when linux has a straightforward system like windows update. |
| 06:41.08 | madradrone | wireddd: why need to be root to compile? |
| 06:41.15 | aggrav8d | no, just root to apt-get |
| 06:41.18 | wireddd | madradrone, no to apt-get |
| 06:41.32 | benjamindees | aggrav8d, are you on drugs? we've had that for a while... longer than windows |
| 06:41.42 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: I get my updates automatically and pretty seamlessly, and have been doing so for years |
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| 06:42.10 | wireddd | apt-get does all of the windows update things, but it does alot more |
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| 06:42.24 | madradrone | aggrav8d: yeah the trick with building stuff is knowing whatall development packages are needed. often they don't explictly state it, and the names can be different between distros - so you often have to guess reading the make and compile error output which is not fun |
| 06:42.33 | solarce | apt-get install synaptic |
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| 06:42.37 | solarce | :) |
| 06:42.50 | Zenethian | wtf. why is debian migrating me from mysql 4.1 to 5.0? |
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| 06:43.09 | Gnea | Zenethian: why not? |
| 06:43.11 | CLucas916 | how do u find the latest kernel avaiable on sid? |
| 06:43.12 | Zenethian | you'd think that mysql-server-4.1 would stay around for a while |
| 06:43.20 | Gnea | !u |
| 06:43.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:43.23 | Zenethian | since 4.1 and 5.0 are vastly different |
| 06:43.23 | aggrav8d | it's still telling me it can't find files like vector, then it tells me a ton of STL linker warnings, then some BS about undefined reference to new[] and delete(void*)... |
| 06:43.31 | CLucas916 | how do you find what the latest kernel available on sid is? |
| 06:43.46 | aggrav8d | i explicitely include /usr/include/c++ in the makefile |
| 06:43.51 | Gnea | Zenethian: in what branch is this? sarge, etch or sid? |
| 06:43.57 | Zenethian | sid. |
| 06:44.01 | madradrone | aggrav8d: right - so when it says some file is missing then you have to use apt-file to search for what dev package contains it |
| 06:44.03 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.06 | wireddd | thats why Zenethian |
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| 06:44.27 | Zenethian | it still makes no sense. |
| 06:44.33 | Zenethian | why even have a separate -4.1 descriptor then? |
| 06:44.34 | madradrone | aggrav8d: or you can go to packages.debian.org and use the search to search for package contents |
| 06:44.51 | Gnea | Zenethian: perhaps there's a mailing list discussion about it. |
| 06:44.52 | Wyzard|TP | packages.debian.org is currently down though |
| 06:44.56 | Zenethian | likely |
| 06:45.02 | Zenethian | Wyzard: apt-cache search? |
| 06:45.07 | wireddd | madradrone, I think package search is still down |
| 06:45.20 | madradrone | yeah just apt-file search then |
| 06:45.34 | wireddd | apt-cache search :) |
| 06:46.05 | madradrone | apt-cache search only searches for package names. usually when building stuff you need to look for specific files, like fooheader.h |
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| 06:46.29 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: hmm... it seems that the package which provides the STL headers is actually depended upon by the G++ package... so if you have the compiler, you should have those headers too |
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| 06:47.05 | clarkf | In the unstable repository, the "quanta" package depends on quanta-data v. 4.3.5.0-3, but the package in the unstable is 4:3.5.1-1, and the package in the stable is 1:3-something. Is there anywhere I can get quanta-data 4:3.5.0-3? |
| 06:47.13 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: And /usr/include/c++ is automatically on the include path for C++; you don't have to put it there manually |
| 06:47.38 | ma3x | what's this error: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 06:47.39 | ma3x | . I didn't insert a floppy disk, why is it showing it? |
| 06:47.54 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: running grub? |
| 06:48.10 | vilane | where is the config file located for X so i can change the default load wm to something other than gnome? |
| 06:48.12 | ma3x | Wyzard, aaah yes! |
| 06:48.37 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: That's normal... GRUB tries to figure out what floppy drives you have by attempting to access them |
| 06:48.48 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: You can use the "--no-floppy" option to skip that |
| 06:49.22 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: Did you install build-essential? |
| 06:49.24 | ma3x | thanks Wyzard|TP, one more question: when I used to paste something, if it's a few lines, it was displaying a character for every new line. Now it's gone. You know what I mean? |
| 06:50.03 | aggrav8d | haha! i was using gcc, not g++ |
| 06:50.07 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: I know what you mean about seeing a newline character when you paste multi-line text in a single-line entry box, but I don't know what you mean by "now it's gone" |
| 06:50.11 | aggrav8d | lucky guess on my part. |
| 06:50.25 | Wyzard|TP | aggrav8d: aha... so it wasn't including any of the C++ headers or libraries |
| 06:50.35 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, (xchat) with utf8 encoding. Exactly, that special character for the new line is gone. I don't see it anymore |
| 06:50.39 | aggrav8d | Wyzard|TP, i could not have done it without your help, I didn't have build-essential installed. |
| 06:50.53 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, instead it's just unseeable character now |
| 06:50.59 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: hmm, you're right... no idea why, though |
| 06:51.52 | aggrav8d | and there we go, it compiles and runs. |
| 06:51.54 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: Multi-line pastes still work though -- I just tested in #flood |
| 06:51.55 | aggrav8d | whee! |
| 06:52.04 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: so the character is still there, just not visible anymore |
| 06:52.57 | ma3x | Wyzard, yes |
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| 06:53.21 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, I have set xchat to utf8, but I have only this locale installed: en_US.ISO-8859-1 |
| 06:53.32 | aggrav8d | thanks, Wyzard|TP , you were a huge help to me. |
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| 06:53.44 | Zg__ | Thanks wyzard. Where's the best place to get a backport of the kernel for sarge? |
| 06:53.48 | aggrav8d | I'll probably be back later with some other wierd question but for now i have to go report the good news. |
| 06:53.53 | aggrav8d | ciao! |
| 06:53.56 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: I have both the ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8 English locales installed, and haven't done any special configuration of xchat in particular |
| 06:55.00 | pyromatrx | I installed GRUB in my MBR. /boot is on hda1, / is on hda2. /vmlinuz is a symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:55.06 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: The newline character used to appear as one of those ugly boxes with four hex digits (the Unicode codepoint number) in it... my guess is that someone decided that was unsightly and fixed it so that newline characters have no visual appearance |
| 06:55.29 | pyromatrx | why is it that when booting with GRUB, the file /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci could not be found, but /vmlinuz could? |
| 06:55.35 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: maybe as a new change in GTK 2.8 |
| 06:55.36 | CLucas916 | im trying to build my own kernel, i just installed debian, but when i do make menuconfig i get a bunch of errors. any idea to whats going on? |
| 06:55.43 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, yeah probably. btw, what's your default locale, iso or utf? |
| 06:55.50 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: UTF |
| 06:55.55 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, why? |
| 06:56.10 | ma3x | what's the difference? |
| 06:56.38 | ma3x | uhm changed, locales lemme restart xchat and see if it changes |
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| 06:57.31 | Wyzard|TP | ma3x: UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode, which is a superset of all the other character sets and is intended to replace them so everyone's using the same (very large, but consistent) character set... seems silly to keep using ISO-8859 when Unicode is the future |
| 06:58.00 | ma3x | okay |
| 06:58.06 | ma3x | let me try the paste again |
| 06:58.20 | ma3x | hm, still doesnt work |
| 06:58.22 | Wyzard|TP | I don't think it's a locale thing |
| 06:58.33 | ma3x | I mean the silly hex character is still not there |
| 06:58.51 | Supaplex | someone borrowed it for their spell |
| 06:58.59 | Wyzard|TP | I think it's a font thing -- newline characters used to have no glyph in the font, so GTK would make one up by rendering that hex thing, and now they do have a glyph which simply has zero width |
| 06:59.04 | benjamindees | Zg__, www.backports.org |
| 06:59.16 | Supaplex | ma3x: check the hex dump, maybe they threw it away. ;) |
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| 06:59.22 | ma3x | when you paste instead of the silly characted where the lines split, there is nothing and the lines are joined |
| 06:59.50 | pyromatrx | Wyzard|TP: when I specified "root (hd0,0)" in GRUB, how is it that "kernel /vmlinuz" could be found, since /vmlinuz is actually on another partition (hd0,1)? |
| 07:00.06 | ma3x | and then if you 'backspace' once on that join-place, nothing happens which means it deletes the invisible character |
| 07:00.28 | Wyzard|TP | pyromatrx: Maybe you have a "vmlinuz" symlink in /boot too? |
| 07:00.35 | ma3x | okay time to go |
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| 07:00.39 | ma3x | Wyzard|TP, thanks a lot again! |
| 07:01.12 | benjamindees | CLucas916, are you missing ncurses? |
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| 07:01.38 | pyromatrx | cd /boot |
| 07:01.44 | CLucas916 | benjamindees, i just did this 'apt-get install kernel-package ncurses-dev fakeroot wget bzip2' and it worked |
| 07:01.54 | Wyzard|TP | pyromatrx: /boot$ |
| 07:01.56 | Wyzard|TP | pyromatrx: :-P |
| 07:02.11 | pyromatrx | heh |
| 07:02.27 | benjamindees | password: |
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| 07:02.52 | deadcat_ | abc123 |
| 07:03.17 | deadcat_ | oops |
| 07:03.22 | deadcat_ | clear |
| 07:03.41 | benjamindees | haha, u r pwned!!!!oneeleven |
| 07:03.50 | Zg__ | thanks benjamin |
| 07:04.40 | pyromatrx | Wyzard|TP: is there a need to load a particular module? with GRUB, I get no internet access |
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| 07:05.24 | Wyzard|TP | pyromatrx: GRUB has nothing to do with loading your network drivers... that's done later, by the normal system startup scripts |
| 07:05.32 | benjamindees | well my half-assed backport of this patch (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210931) doesn't seem to fix the problem :( |
| 07:06.31 | sts9 | Im cusomizing my kernel and after compile/installation I get the grub config for that kernel choice then it hangs right there with no error message. how can I find out what the problem is with no error msg? doesnt even get to the point "uncompressing linux" |
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| 07:08.01 | tung | get this error message when I try to access samba through nautilus: Couldn't display "smb:///" |
| 07:08.10 | tung | smbclient -L computername works though |
| 07:09.05 | Wyzard|TP | I think I read something recently about SMB support in Nautilus being broken (in unstable) |
| 07:09.08 | Zg__ | Ok, so how do I go about manually downloading a backport of the kernel from backports.org and installing it? (Have no net access on debian install yet. I can mount my ntfs drive and copy stuff over, though) |
| 07:09.19 | Wyzard|TP | a BTS or changelog entry somewhere, I think |
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| 07:11.50 | sts9 | man Ive been working at this grub problem for over 6 hours and 10 kernel recompiles |
| 07:12.36 | sts9 | at least an error message would be nice |
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| 07:13.06 | Wyzard|TP | sts9: Things that come to mind include a kernel optimized for a newer-model processor than you actually have, or lack of VGA console support |
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| 07:13.35 | Wyzard|TP | sts9: but there are certainly other possibilities too |
| 07:13.54 | benjamindees | Zg__, download the .deb, install it with dpkg --install <file> |
| 07:14.12 | Wyzard|TP | sts9: It's difficult for anyone here to help you since you're using a custom kernel configuration and nobody knows what's in it, or what sort of system you're booting it on |
| 07:14.15 | Zg__ | Thanks |
| 07:15.29 | sts9 | but does dpkg compile differently on a P4 then on a P2? both are compiled as 386 |
| 07:16.31 | sts9 | VGA could be it... but Id think it would at least asy "uncompressing kernel" right? cause it does that before it even loads any kernel code. Am I wrong? |
| 07:16.34 | Wyzard|TP | sts9: Doesn't matter what kind of system you're compiling it on, only the optimization setting in the kernel configuration |
| 07:17.00 | Wyzard|TP | sts9: That sounds logical, but I don't know for sure -- I'm not a kernel hacker |
| 07:17.37 | Wyzard|TP | sts9: I would suggest going back to the default configuration, building that and confirming that it works, and then starting to make incremental changes to the configuration so when it breaks, you know what you changed that caused it |
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| 07:18.34 | sts9 | well I have tried on both machines. meaning Ive used my P4 to compile for the P2 , but Ive done it on the P2 also. |
| 07:18.35 | dob2 | hi |
| 07:18.58 | sts9 | yeah. its hard to do that on a 166! ;) thanks |
| 07:19.06 | sts9 | Ill give that a shot |
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| 07:19.25 | dob2 | every time i do "apt-get update" i have to do it 2 times because the first time it complains about gpg key problems, it is this normal? |
| 07:20.24 | benjamindees | !topicsmite dob2 |
| 07:20.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dob2. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 07:20.51 | starfishy | redoing aptitude makes gpg key problems go away? |
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| 07:20.51 | madradrone | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.54 | starfishy | i hope not! |
| 07:21.00 | dob2 | benjamindees: it is not a key problem, i have updated it |
| 07:21.05 | jrwr-tux | what pkgs do i need to read a fat32 drive |
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| 07:21.20 | dob2 | the first time i do the command it says that it can't read the key or something similar, i do it again and then works |
| 07:21.29 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: Did you know that you can write a line that begins with a slash by using the "/say" IRC command, or in some clients, just typing a double slash? |
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| 07:21.42 | Wyzard|TP | /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 07:21.45 | Wyzard|TP | madradrone: ^^^ |
| 07:22.19 | Wyzard|TP | jrwr-tux: None... FAT32 support is in all the kernels Debian provides |
| 07:22.31 | jrwr-tux | oh, |
| 07:22.58 | vargux | .....hi.... any web creator software on KDE (different Quanta +)?????? |
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| 07:24.19 | Amarande | okay, this is sort of weird in bash's default startup scripts |
| 07:24.30 | Amarande | is there a good security reason for this, or is it just weirdness? |
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| 07:24.44 | Amarande | basically, ~/bin is added to your PATH if you login via a console, but not if you open a terminal in X |
| 07:25.05 | Amarande | it seems to me that that should be moved to be in .bashrc by default rather than being done via .bash_profile |
| 07:25.14 | vargux | rewriting: .....hi.... any web creator software on KDE (different Quanta +)?????? |
| 07:25.16 | vin` | Wyzard|TP: / / (with a space in irssi) |
| 07:26.16 | vargux | please "brothers".....any web creator software on KDE (different Quanta +)?????? |
| 07:26.26 | vin` | vargux: try nvu |
| 07:26.28 | benjamindees | hey Amarande, did you ever test firefox 1.5 with that .jpg? |
| 07:26.34 | Amarande | benjamindees: nope. |
| 07:26.41 | Amarande | i looked on the firefox site and noted that 1.5 wouldn't help me much |
| 07:26.47 | vargux | thanks vin! |
| 07:27.26 | benjamindees | Amarande, but did somebody say ff from unstable worked fine? |
| 07:27.28 | SerajewelKS | it's happening again... my clock is slowly drifting, and xine has trouble with A/V sync |
| 07:27.29 | vargux | if u want...visit: http://debian-ubuntu-gnu-linux.blogspot.com |
| 07:27.55 | SerajewelKS | i've synced the clock, removed /etc/adjtime, and then rebooted -- it still drifts |
| 07:28.24 | Wyzard|TP | SerajewelKS: Running NTP might help |
| 07:28.40 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: i am |
| 07:28.44 | Wyzard|TP | ah |
| 07:28.53 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: as near as i can tell, ntpd is the culprit |
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| 07:29.02 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: that or the kernel, take your pick |
| 07:29.36 | Wyzard|TP | SerajewelKS: Are you running on a laptop, or other system which can change its processor speed on-the-fly? |
| 07:30.16 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: i am running on a non-overclocked tower |
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| 07:30.37 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: it was not doing this last week, and i haven't upgraded the kernel in a long time |
| 07:30.40 | Wyzard|TP | dunno then |
| 07:30.58 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: this is what prompted me to reinstall debian the last time. it fixed it... for a few months anyway. |
| 07:31.12 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard|TP: it was drifting +10 minutes per hour |
| 07:31.24 | Amarande | sera: nForce4 chipset? |
| 07:31.38 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: nForce2 |
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| 07:31.49 | Wyzard|TP | gah... "zip" can't create zipfiles bigger than 2GB? |
| 07:31.54 | Amarande | Sera: nForce chipsets, IIRC have the ability to change processor speed on the fly for temperature management |
| 07:32.00 | Amarande | at least the nForce4 has it, not sure about the 2 |
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| 07:32.17 | kreg_work | couple hundred people give or take. any opinions on a mail server and pop3? |
| 07:32.18 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: so explain how i've had no problems for months |
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| 07:32.51 | mrkris | anyone here use teh xen virtualmachine ? |
| 07:32.58 | Amarande | Sera: try different timeservers in ntpd |
| 07:33.05 | Amarande | use stratum 1 instead of stratum 2 if you can |
| 07:33.07 | mrkris | just want opinions on it. |
| 07:33.09 | SerajewelKS | oddly enough, my clock is staying synced... but xine still lags the video quite a bit |
| 07:33.09 | benjamindees | mrkris, try #xen |
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| 07:33.26 | goblin`` | hey, is there a way to display a login msg on my shell on debian? |
| 07:33.34 | mrkris | Wyzard|TP: i booted it, based of debian- etch which i guess is the next stable after sarge |
| 07:33.37 | N0S3 | hello stew: |
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| 07:33.41 | SerajewelKS | goblin``: /etc/motd |
| 07:34.13 | goblin`` | cd: no such file or directory: etc/motd |
| 07:34.20 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: Don't use stratum-1 timeservers... there aren't many of them, and you're just contributing to their network load, to gain a tiny bit of precision that you don't actually need |
| 07:34.50 | Wyzard|TP | mrkris: etch is the current "testing", and will be the next stable release, yes |
| 07:35.05 | Amarande | wyzard: most stratum 1 servers have rules about using them. there's only a few that are unrestricted for public use without notification |
| 07:35.19 | Amarande | and I think if someone's going to run a public unrestricted stratum 1, they know what they're doing :) |
| 07:35.33 | Amarande | if you really have time trouble, consider creating a stratum 1 machine yourself |
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| 07:35.39 | Amarande | there's hardware you can use to do it |
| 07:35.46 | Amarande | though I can never seem to find a place that actually gives a price quote on it |
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| 07:36.07 | SerajewelKS | fuck... i'm constantly amazed at how well my system runs for five months and then just falls apart |
| 07:36.10 | goblin`` | how do i use this " etc/motd " |
| 07:36.14 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: Even on a public one, you're gaining essentially zero practical benefit to yourself, unless you're running a scientific lab or something where you actually need extremely precise time |
| 07:36.19 | benjamindees | I think you can use a gps device |
| 07:36.22 | jrwr-tux | i did a fdisk and printed the part table and got this "/dev/hdd1 1 5957 47849571 b W95 FAT32 |
| 07:36.22 | jrwr-tux | " but "mount -t vfat /dev/hdd1 /theother" says mount: special device /dev/hdd1 does not exist, i edited my fstab and im in root |
| 07:36.29 | Amarande | also, they probably involve taking cords from your computer and dragging them outside for signal reasons |
| 07:36.30 | SerajewelKS | goblin``: if you don't know, you should not be running a shell server |
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| 07:36.35 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: I know -- I do own a radio clock, though not one that can interface with a computer |
| 07:36.38 | Amarande | which isn't too safe for your hardware in the event of lightning or sthg like that |
| 07:36.39 | goblin`` | im not running it |
| 07:36.44 | goblin`` | i logged in |
| 07:36.46 | goblin`` | its an account |
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| 07:37.16 | SerajewelKS | goblin``: i suggest you learn more about debian, like what /etc is, before you go changing things |
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| 07:37.35 | goblin`` | yeah maybe, but there is no /etc folder or anything |
| 07:37.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:37.47 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:38.01 | Wyzard|TP | goblin``: If you don't have an /etc directory, you're not on a Debian system |
| 07:38.18 | fooz | even some versions of windows have an etc folder |
| 07:38.20 | Wyzard|TP | goblin``: or probably any Linux system, for that matter |
| 07:38.33 | benjamindees | goblin``, unless you're the administrator of this machine, you can't modify your login |
| 07:38.39 | fooz | 2000 and earlier keep the HOSTS file there (like /etc/hosts) |
| 07:38.39 | goblin`` | darn |
| 07:39.13 | goblin`` | cuz my dir is only like ".irssi/ unreal3.2/ maildir/ services/" |
| 07:39.43 | Wyzard|TP | goblin``: What's wrong with that? |
| 07:39.51 | SerajewelKS | goblin``: note that etc/ is not the same thing as /etc/ |
| 07:40.03 | Wyzard|TP | oh, I see |
| 07:40.05 | goblin`` | ok i found etc by going back in the dir |
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| 07:40.30 | goblin`` | ok no motd |
| 07:40.34 | goblin`` | anything else? |
| 07:40.45 | Wyzard|TP | goblin``: /etc/motd is the "message of the day", the message that gets printed automatically when you log in |
| 07:41.05 | goblin`` | k thanks i see it |
| 07:41.07 | goblin`` | sorry im so dumb |
| 07:41.23 | Wyzard|TP | goblin``: In Debian, by default it's a note that Debian is free software, and a warranty disclaimer, but administrators are free to change it |
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| 07:41.42 | goblin`` | ok thats something else |
| 07:41.47 | goblin`` | cuz on my shell |
| 07:41.47 | goblin`` | when i login |
| 07:42.03 | goblin`` | it says something like "ok i setup yours files --javaX" |
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| 07:42.16 | goblin`` | hes me hoster "javaX |
| 07:42.29 | Wyzard|TP | That could be the MOTD, or it could be something else |
| 07:42.38 | goblin`` | i have a note file in my dir |
| 07:42.44 | goblin`` | i had* |
| 07:42.49 | goblin`` | when i made a new one |
| 07:42.52 | goblin`` | it doesnt display |
| 07:43.13 | Wyzard|TP | Just having a file in your home directory doesn't make it automatically display itself somewhere |
| 07:43.25 | goblin`` | ok how can i its only a text file |
| 07:43.29 | Wyzard|TP | You should get a book on Unix/Linux basics |
| 07:43.30 | goblin`` | its called "note" |
| 07:43.33 | goblin`` | i know |
| 07:43.40 | goblin`` | im broke though for now |
| 07:43.49 | Wyzard|TP | Libraries have them |
| 07:44.05 | goblin`` | i cant use the library |
| 07:44.07 | goblin`` | alright well |
| 07:44.10 | goblin`` | thanks |
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| 07:45.57 | Wyzard|TP | eep... I've been talking here for at least 4 hours, when I'd intended to be writing code instead :-) |
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| 07:47.32 | geckosen1tor | how to enable root through telnet? |
| 07:47.38 | geckosen1tor | I can't login as root and I can't su either |
| 07:47.51 | Amarande | you should set it up so you can su |
| 07:47.52 | starfishy | whats the error message? |
| 07:47.58 | Amarande | but DON'T set it up so you can login as root via telnet, that's bad :) |
| 07:48.03 | starfishy | and why would you want to telnet in the first place? |
| 07:48.03 | geckosen1tor | Amarande: I can but not through telnet |
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| 07:48.08 | raf256 | whooops |
| 07:48.09 | kreg_work | fark.? the debian net disc booted and installed to my sata hard drive just fine, but after the installation and reboot, init croaked. "cannont open dev/console: no such file" wtf??? |
| 07:48.10 | liable | why the fuck are you trying to su over telnet? |
| 07:48.13 | Amarande | also, if you're paranoid, you might not want to allow su via telnet, only ssh |
| 07:48.14 | liable | !telnet |
| 07:48.14 | dpkg | i heard telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 07:48.16 | geckosen1tor | Amarande: how can you say such a thing without knowing anything about my situation? |
| 07:48.18 | raf256 | I deleted /usr/bin ld g++ gcc nm - how to restore? |
| 07:48.27 | geckosen1tor | ssh doesn't work |
| 07:48.44 | Coweater | fix ssh |
| 07:48.47 | starfishy | yeah |
| 07:48.55 | geckosen1tor | liable: hey if you don't know the answer to my question please don't say anything, thanks |
| 07:48.56 | starfishy | you may want to start the sshd |
| 07:49.09 | geckosen1tor | sshd doesn't run |
| 07:49.14 | starfishy | why not? |
| 07:49.17 | raf256 | HELP \o/ |
| 07:49.18 | geckosen1tor | telnet works fine, but not for root |
| 07:49.23 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: hell if I know |
| 07:49.28 | Amarande | I still don't get why this wasn't done this way by default |
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| 07:49.38 | Wyzard|TP | raf256: Reinstall the "binutils" and "g++" packages |
| 07:49.40 | Coweater | sshd works by default, if it's not working then you should know why |
| 07:49.42 | Amarande | since .bash_profile includes .bashrc anyway |
| 07:49.45 | starfishy | gecko: i think instead of an attitude you should provide some information |
| 07:49.45 | raf256 | Wyzard|TP: hmm ok |
| 07:49.48 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: I run sshd and ps -A|grep ssh and get nothing |
| 07:50.04 | starfishy | then strace sshd and find out why it doesnt start |
| 07:50.06 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: if I could use root with telnet the problem would be solved |
| 07:50.08 | kreg_work | got a system that kernel panics on boot at "/sbin/init: 432: cannon open dev/console: No such file." any ideas? |
| 07:50.23 | starfishy | root and telned are an insecure combination |
| 07:50.28 | tung | whats a good graphical diff program? |
| 07:50.29 | starfishy | you want to fix ssh |
| 07:50.32 | geckosen1tor | uh |
| 07:50.37 | geckosen1tor | it's a private network |
| 07:50.39 | geckosen1tor | it doesn't matter |
| 07:50.43 | Amarande | I think he needs to become root so he can fix ssh? |
| 07:50.43 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: Yes, and then you'd have the different problem of transmitting your root password in the clear over the network for anyone to eavesdrop on :-) |
| 07:50.44 | liable | kreg_work: new install? new kernel? |
| 07:50.57 | geckosen1tor | in fact telnet will be better, no encryption |
| 07:51.07 | geckosen1tor | Wyzard|TP: there is no one on this network |
| 07:51.13 | Wyzard|TP | You specifically want to have no encryption? |
| 07:51.16 | kreg_work | liable, new install from the net disc. using kernel 2.6.8 from the disc |
| 07:51.20 | geckosen1tor | I specifically don't need encryption |
| 07:51.27 | kreg_work | p4 system |
| 07:51.34 | starfishy | ssh is better than telnet |
| 07:51.38 | liable | kreg_work: you actually installed with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:51.39 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: why? |
| 07:51.41 | starfishy | not only because of the encryption |
| 07:51.45 | Wyzard|TP | It's still simpler to just use SSH everywhere than to use SSH in some places and telnet in others |
| 07:51.48 | starfishy | you can tunnel protocols through ssh |
| 07:51.50 | Supaplex | geckosen1tor: are you sure George Bush is not on your network? :P |
| 07:51.52 | geckosen1tor | encryption isn't always good |
| 07:51.58 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: why can't I tunnel stuff through telnet? |
| 07:52.00 | kreg_work | liable, no i chose it at the end of the install |
| 07:52.03 | geckosen1tor | Supaplex: yes |
| 07:52.13 | geckosen1tor | there are two computers on this network |
| 07:52.22 | starfishy | have you ever tried to forward an x window through telnet? |
| 07:52.30 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: Because telnet doesn't support forwarding TCP ports and X displays through it |
| 07:52.35 | Supaplex | geckosen1tor: why would no encryption be good, are you using uclinux on a pic microcontroller or something? |
| 07:52.36 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: not yet, and I sure don't need to, I don't use x windows |
| 07:52.40 | liable | kreg_work: so you have a 2.4 installed too? |
| 07:52.48 | geckosen1tor | Supaplex: close, it's in a robot |
| 07:52.49 | kreg_work | no |
| 07:52.50 | kreg_work | liable, no |
| 07:52.54 | starfishy | you cant only tunnel x through ssh |
| 07:52.57 | kreg_work | just the 2.6 one from the disc |
| 07:52.58 | starfishy | but any protocol |
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| 07:53.07 | geckosen1tor | Wyzard|TP: I'm not going to run x programs on a robot, that is dumb |
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| 07:53.14 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 07:53.15 | liable | kreg_work: you know how to boot the install disc and chroot? |
| 07:53.15 | Supaplex | with his logic, he won't tunnel X |
| 07:53.23 | geckosen1tor | I don't need to or want to |
| 07:53.28 | kreg_work | liable, ya i think so |
| 07:53.29 | vilane | how can i configure my X server to load using icewm instead of gnome or kde? |
| 07:53.30 | geckosen1tor | in fact I don't have disk space to store x |
| 07:53.47 | Wyzard|TP | I'd still say it's simpler to just use SSH, but whatever |
| 07:53.47 | geckosen1tor | I just want remote root on the robot so I can control the hardware |
| 07:53.52 | geckosen1tor | ssh does not work |
| 07:53.54 | liable | kreg_work: do that, then gimme menu.lst and fdisk -l output |
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| 07:54.03 | geckosen1tor | Wyzard|TP: I would use ssh if it did, sure |
| 07:54.07 | liable | kreg_work: to a paster or #flood |
| 07:54.12 | kreg_work | liable, boot the disc, pass init=/bin/sh ? |
| 07:54.13 | CLucas916 | im trying to boot my new debian install and it hangs at the very end of the boot, this has happened in my previous debian installs but i just dont remember how to fix it |
| 07:54.13 | starfishy | what happens when you try to su? |
| 07:54.21 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: it doesn't work |
| 07:54.23 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: have you done any investigation at all of the sshd problem besides saying that it "does not work" ? |
| 07:54.27 | geckosen1tor | yes |
| 07:54.33 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: Checked logfiles, for example? |
| 07:54.34 | Supaplex | geckosen1tor: there is some tiny release of sshd for embedded systems work, dropbear or something |
| 07:54.40 | geckosen1tor | I have tried a lot of things, compiled ssh from source on the robot, and it still does not run |
| 07:54.42 | kreg_work | liable, paste?? how it's a non booting system |
| 07:54.44 | geckosen1tor | it silently fails |
| 07:54.49 | kreg_work | heh |
| 07:54.57 | starfishy | then strace it to see what happens |
| 07:54.59 | geckosen1tor | it says it is starting, then doesn't |
| 07:55.04 | liable | kreg_work: err, not really, boot it with the linux26 option, let it run to the partitioner, then alt+f2 |
| 07:55.07 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: ok I will try that.. |
| 07:55.14 | starfishy | strace -f sshd |
| 07:55.15 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: compiling it from source and installing that over the packaged version is more likely to break it than reconfiguring the one you already had... |
| 07:55.23 | geckosen1tor | I tried both ways |
| 07:55.29 | geckosen1tor | actually all three ways |
| 07:55.34 | geckosen1tor | hehe |
| 07:55.37 | liable | kreg_work: then mount your / then chroot |
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| 07:55.50 | Supaplex | what hardware do you have running on the robot? |
| 07:55.53 | geckosen1tor | I don't know why people make so many assumptions all the time |
| 07:55.53 | Supaplex | x86 ? |
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| 07:55.57 | geckosen1tor | Supaplex: yes it's x86 |
| 07:56.01 | GomoX | Hi |
| 07:56.14 | geckosen1tor | ssh is not superior to telnet in every way |
| 07:56.16 | CLucas916 | im trying to boot my new debian install and it hangs at the very end of the boot, this has happened in my previous debian installs but i just dont remember how to fix it |
| 07:56.22 | starfishy | i dont know why some people think they are entitled to everyone jumping when they need help |
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| 07:56.27 | starfishy | ssh is superior to telnet |
| 07:56.33 | GomoX | What's up with this whole "linux-image" thing. I just built a kernel on sid and now the package is called linux-image, and i won't upgrade the old package. |
| 07:56.36 | Supaplex | geckosen1tor: you could use a serial console =) |
| 07:56.38 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: it's slower |
| 07:56.42 | starfishy | oh? |
| 07:56.49 | starfishy | and you know that how? |
| 07:56.55 | GomoX | geckosen1tor: telnet is superior in password-sniffability |
| 07:56.55 | geckosen1tor | Supaplex: I am right now, but it's in an airplane.. it has to run over wireless |
| 07:57.17 | geckosen1tor | GomoX: yes |
| 07:57.39 | Wyzard|TP | GomoX: The packages were renamed from "kernel-image" to "linux-image" around 2.6.12, IIRC |
| 07:57.39 | geckosen1tor | but since I don't have a root password it doesn't matter |
| 07:57.40 | liable | since when does running commands over ssh take longer than telnet ffs. if you dont like encryption for transferring files, use ftp |
| 07:57.41 | GomoX | and also in host-spoofability |
| 07:57.44 | Supaplex | why must my ear annoy me this way thud thud thud thud ... thud thud ... grrr |
| 07:57.45 | vin` | is the robot piloting the plane as well? ;-D |
| 07:57.53 | geckosen1tor | vin`: not yet |
| 07:58.07 | GomoX | Wyzard|TP: it's that a kernel thing? I thought it was a debian thing |
| 07:58.16 | Wyzard|TP | GomoX: Debian's packaging of the kernel |
| 07:58.20 | GomoX | oh ok |
| 07:58.31 | starfishy | you dont have a root password? |
| 07:58.32 | GomoX | Wyzard|TP: and how am i supposed to install the new package? |
| 07:58.33 | geckosen1tor | ssh uses cpu |
| 07:58.41 | geckosen1tor | it can be quite slow on slow cpus |
| 07:58.45 | starfishy | iirc telnet as root doesnt work without a password |
| 07:58.51 | konfuzed | hhhhhmmmmmmmm had an interesting idea earlier when I pulled up my buddies site, http://openwindows.ca the guy is actually a non-techie but good guy. So, why not use this site to piss off bill in some way ;^) |
| 07:58.54 | GomoX | geckosen1tor: pentium 1 does ssh just fine |
| 07:58.55 | konfuzed | at least the name |
| 07:58.58 | Wyzard|TP | GomoX: The same way you install any other .deb, with dpkg |
| 07:58.58 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: thank you for that information |
| 07:59.07 | konfuzed | hm oh yeah its not a .com |
| 07:59.08 | geckosen1tor | GomoX: try a 386 |
| 07:59.09 | starfishy | gecko: do you have more than your impression to confirm that? |
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| 07:59.15 | geckosen1tor | or a 50mhz sparc32 |
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| 07:59.33 | geckosen1tor | took an hour to generate public keys |
| 07:59.34 | starfishy | i used to do that with a 50MHz sparc |
| 07:59.35 | GomoX | Wyzard|TP: yes, but before, it would replace the old package, now it won't |
| 07:59.37 | starfishy | was ok |
| 07:59.41 | geckosen1tor | it works, but it's slower than telnet |
| 07:59.51 | konfuzed | hm still it shoud be some kind of windows to GPL linux conversion site or some such |
| 08:00.12 | Wyzard|TP | GomoX: So uninstall the old package after you've booted the new kernel |
| 08:00.23 | GomoX | That's slashdot material: "encrypting takes more cpu time than not encrypting" |
| 08:00.26 | geckosen1tor | it's probably because of the blank root password.. hmm |
| 08:00.33 | geckosen1tor | hehe |
| 08:00.36 | GomoX | Wyzard|TP: mmmm |
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| 08:00.51 | GomoX | Wyzard|TP: ok i asked just to see if there was something i needed to be aware of |
| 08:00.52 | GomoX | thanks |
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| 08:00.54 | starfishy | blank root password on a wireless network? |
| 08:01.03 | geckosen1tor | starfishy: sure |
| 08:01.12 | geckosen1tor | what if the wireless is encrypted? |
| 08:01.16 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: If you just want simple direct access to a root shell, you could use something like netcat to just run bash on a raw TCP port |
| 08:01.24 | starfishy | wireless encryption is weak |
| 08:01.30 | geckosen1tor | Wyzard|TP: yeah that is true too.. |
| 08:01.31 | GomoX | starfishy: na |
| 08:01.34 | Wyzard|TP | starfishy: WEP is; WPA isn't |
| 08:01.44 | starfishy | even wpa is not really strong |
| 08:01.57 | GomoX | starfishy: there is decent encryption available |
| 08:02.02 | starfishy | have you read security advisories lately? |
| 08:02.08 | geckosen1tor | you need a decent amount of packets to sniff to crack it |
| 08:02.20 | geckosen1tor | there probably won't be many |
| 08:02.24 | Wyzard|TP | starfishy: and an attacker isn't going to get much benefit from breaking into a 386 on a robot |
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| 08:02.44 | geckosen1tor | right now it is only in testing phase as well |
| 08:02.45 | Amarande | okay, xchat 2.6.1's new tree view is a godsend |
| 08:02.50 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:02.53 | benjamindees | you say that now, but when the hacked robots come for you you'll change your tune... |
| 08:03.02 | Amarande | how to make the gnome xchat launcher look for this installation of xchat and not the global one ... |
| 08:03.03 | liable | hehe |
| 08:03.03 | geckosen1tor | it's unlikely there is someone hiding in the woods with a long range antenna and a laptop ready to "hack" it |
| 08:03.23 | Wyzard|TP | starfishy: Do you mean that "advisory" warning that an attacker can do an offline brute-force attack against WPA and if you chose a poor passphrase, they might recover it? |
| 08:03.49 | liable | yeah if its in the standard dics available. |
| 08:03.53 | konfuzed | evangelism site to convert MSwindows users to GPL window users with code that not only is not particularly IE comlpiant but actually illustrates all the MS windows flaws and how to migrate to linux to be Openly Free of M$ |
| 08:04.01 | benjamindees | you're right... which woods again? |
| 08:04.02 | starfishy | i meant the advisory that the authentication procedure allows room for an attacker |
| 08:04.04 | geckosen1tor | I'll use strange characters in the key or something |
| 08:04.05 | konfuzed | it would have to be debian based of course |
| 08:04.29 | geckosen1tor | I installed mono today |
| 08:04.34 | Wyzard|TP | starfishy: in that an attacker who eavesdrops on the authentication can then do an offline brute-force attack, yes |
| 08:04.35 | geckosen1tor | it sounds like a disease |
| 08:04.52 | Wyzard|TP | starfishy: Choose a good passphrase and that's not so much of a big deal |
| 08:05.01 | geckosen1tor | with a 5 million dollar computer they might crack it in 30 days |
| 08:05.27 | geckosen1tor | sorry I pulled that figure out of my ass |
| 08:05.46 | Wyzard|TP | I mean something like 7-word Diceware |
| 08:05.51 | owner | gecko, distributed computing |
| 08:06.09 | Wyzard|TP | so the passphrase has as much entropy as the encryption key itself |
| 08:06.11 | geckosen1tor | I did distributed computing for cracking passwords |
| 08:06.22 | owner | harnass the power of hundreds of computers |
| 08:06.35 | owner | or 100,000s like SETI |
| 08:06.43 | benjamindees | surely there's a static telnetd with authentication disabled floating around on some hacker sites somewhere... |
| 08:06.46 | Amarande | and eventually, of course, once the official .deb of 2.6.1 xchat comes out, it will be going in this system in a jiffy |
| 08:06.51 | geckosen1tor | it will take a thousand p4's a few days to crack any password with lm hash |
| 08:06.55 | geckosen1tor | and lm hash is really bad |
| 08:07.08 | geckosen1tor | that's what windows uses.. |
| 08:07.31 | geckosen1tor | if I have my key as 32 $_?`dfA |
| 08:07.34 | geckosen1tor | who can crack that? |
| 08:07.51 | geckosen1tor | it would probably be something simple though, like "robot" so I don't forget it |
| 08:08.00 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: Umm, that's a ten-character key |
| 08:08.19 | geckosen1tor | Wyzard|TP: what is the min/max? I"m obviously not using this yet |
| 08:08.29 | Wyzard|TP | geckosen1tor: That would deter maybe a bored individual trying to guess your password by typing each guess manually |
| 08:08.45 | geckosen1tor | I am using symbols |
| 08:08.59 | geckosen1tor | that requires a lot of guesses |
| 08:09.13 | geckosen1tor | most of the time they guess letters only, or letters and numbers |
| 08:09.26 | geckosen1tor | 10 digits with symbols is a huge search space.. |
| 08:09.46 | geckosen1tor | 10 characters I mean |
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| 08:10.26 | konfuzed | this 4 year old is cute but not when they wake up a midnight and is still up aaahhhhhhh |
| 08:10.53 | Wyzard|TP | Let's see... 26 uppercase, 26 lowercase, 10 digits... works out to about 6 bits of entropy per key |
| 08:11.09 | Wyzard|TP | sorry, per character |
| 08:11.29 | Wyzard|TP | so you have essentially a 60-bit key... not great, but decent |
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| 08:11.57 | alex1 | hi all |
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| 08:13.08 | geckosen1tor | hehe |
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| 08:13.41 | alex1 | I logged in to my server via remote and I think I am being hacked shall I give details |
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| 08:13.51 | geckosen1tor | yes |
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| 08:14.02 | liable | alex1: sure, dont paste here though.. |
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| 08:14.09 | geckosen1tor | this happened to me once |
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| 08:14.17 | alex1 | well here we go |
| 08:14.32 | liable | ootput__4: how many nicks you need? |
| 08:14.40 | alex1 | tcp 12 0 xstation1.info:x11 220.90.132.171:44215 ESTABLISHED |
| 08:14.40 | alex1 | tcp 0 0 xstation1.info:10000 ip-217-102-41-88.i:4921 ESTABLISHED |
| 08:14.40 | alex1 | tcp 0 2916 xstation1.info:ssh 4096.net:1078 ESTABLISHED |
| 08:14.52 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: Don't paste here |
| 08:14.53 | alex1 | 4096,net is me 0n 22 |
| 08:14.57 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: use #flood or a pastebin |
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| 08:16.24 | alex1 | any suggestions please |
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| 08:18.02 | kreg_work | what an smp kernel? |
| 08:18.03 | liable | alex1: whats the pid? |
| 08:18.08 | Coke | What would be the reason for having 5 RX errors and 2168962 TX errors? I have no TCP manipulation (iptables) on this machine. Could it be that the hub is 10Mb and the card fails to see this and tries on 100Mb? |
| 08:18.16 | liable | kreg_work: multiple processors |
| 08:18.27 | konfuzed | damn stuffies |
| 08:18.44 | liable | kreg_work: you chrooted into it yet? |
| 08:18.44 | madradrone | hello? |
| 08:19.26 | kreg_work | liable, i retried it with the on disc 2.4 kerenl. sorry i forgot |
| 08:19.33 | ootput | sorry about that |
| 08:19.35 | kreg_work | it's booted and running now. thank you |
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| 08:20.06 | Wyzard|TP | http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-06-27 regarding port 10000 |
| 08:20.46 | alex1 | thanks Wyzard |
| 08:21.44 | kreg_work | liable, heh heh weird. i upgraded to kernel 2.6 and it same problem again |
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| 08:22.02 | kreg_work | liable, what is it? |
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| 08:22.50 | Nigromante | Hello, does anyone user seahorse in Gnome ? |
| 08:23.02 | Nigromante | (use) |
| 08:23.18 | kreg_work | i'm at a loss as to what is causing this. |
| 08:23.18 | kreg_work | http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/11/msg00187.html |
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| 08:24.09 | kreg_work | i'm even using stable |
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| 08:24.33 | alex1 | thanks for the url wyzard I will see if they give a soultion |
| 08:24.49 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: That's not necessarily what your problem is... just something I found that *might* be relevant |
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| 08:25.32 | alex1 | might be just cannot run webmin on that port I suppose |
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| 08:26.22 | houn | Yo, #Debian |
| 08:26.23 | liable | kreg_work: what does fdisk -l give you on it when you boot the 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:26.46 | kreg_work | that alone as usual returns nothing |
| 08:26.49 | houn | Anyone else get really bad sound output from SB Cards on 2.6 kernels? |
| 08:26.57 | fooz | bad how? |
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| 08:27.05 | Nigromante | houn, use kernel 2.6.15.2 |
| 08:27.13 | Wyzard|TP | houn: No problems here |
| 08:27.19 | sts9 | no I have SB Live 24-bit and it works great |
| 08:27.20 | houn | It's like someone ripped out the bass, and ran it through a filter that tried to remove vocals. |
| 08:27.21 | Wyzard|TP | houn: with a Live 5.1 |
| 08:27.33 | kreg_work | liable, mine is /dev/hdc1 |
| 08:27.35 | houn | Wyzard|TP: No, Live Value |
| 08:27.38 | liable | kreg_work: ok, with /dev/hda or /dev/sda |
| 08:27.51 | kreg_work | liable, weird... it says (yet it's running) /dev/hdc1 doesn't contain a valid partion table. |
| 08:27.52 | Nabeel | does anyone have an idea when the packages.debian.org is going to be restored or is there another alternative to it |
| 08:27.59 | houn | Nigromante: I'm on 2.6.12 now, I'll give .15 a shot, thanks |
| 08:28.00 | Wyzard|TP | houn: not much of a difference... and I used to have one of those |
| 08:28.13 | houn | Wyzard|TP: not much, no ;) |
| 08:28.32 | liable | kreg_work: just /dev/hdc not hdc1 |
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| 08:28.37 | Nigromante | houn, ALSA is broken 2.6.12 |
| 08:28.42 | kreg_work | liable, oh duh |
| 08:28.43 | Wyzard|TP | houn: I've been using my Live for several years, running sid and installing every new kernel version that got packaged, and had no such problems |
| 08:28.47 | houn | Nigromante: Heh, that would do it, lol |
| 08:28.52 | kreg_work | liable, yep the typical / and swap are listed there |
| 08:29.26 | sts9 | yeah I use 2.6.15 and sounds fine, I have speaker system though. so I might not have noticed |
| 08:29.41 | houn | Nigromante: Is that not packaged in Etch? |
| 08:29.46 | Nigromante | not |
| 08:29.51 | alex1 | thanks Wyzard i will look into it, any vmware guys here |
| 08:29.56 | Nigromante | but download it from kernel.org |
| 08:29.57 | houn | Word, I'll try grabbing it from Sid |
| 08:29.59 | liable | kreg_work: boot with 2.6 and chroot your / and run fdisk again. |
| 08:30.03 | kreg_work | dang, when is debian going to finally by "default" have the colors setup in bash |
| 08:30.06 | Nigromante | and compile it the debian way |
| 08:30.07 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: I use VMware |
| 08:30.13 | Ragi | tuka edin bulgarin li nqma be |
| 08:30.15 | Nigromante | use kernel-package |
| 08:30.19 | liable | kreg_work: just edit ./bashrc |
| 08:30.32 | liable | kreg_work: its already in there, just uncomment it. |
| 08:30.35 | kreg_work | liable, i know how to do it, i just don't think i need to expect to |
| 08:30.43 | kreg_work | liable, ok i'll reboot with 2.6 now |
| 08:30.45 | houn | Nigromante: I have been, just been dl'ing the debian source packages. Nothing drastic lost without the Debian patches, is there? |
| 08:31.05 | alex1 | I was thibking of setting up win server with vmware workstation and woody as guest |
| 08:31.07 | Nigromante | Don't think so |
| 08:31.22 | Nigromante | I compiled it 2 days ago, and working fine |
| 08:31.28 | Nigromante | I'm using debian testing |
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| 08:32.06 | houn | Nigromante: Cool |
| 08:32.12 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: I've only ever used VMware on Linux hosts, though I've run both Linux and Windows inside it |
| 08:32.17 | fwhite | Hello guys. |
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| 08:33.37 | fwhite | I've read the Debian Reference. Got a book even from Barnes & Noble. What is still confounding me however is utiluzing the driver to my wireless. |
| 08:33.43 | konfuzed | curses my child process wont go to sleep |
| 08:33.55 | Nigromante | does anyone use seahorse (gpg front-end)? |
| 08:34.00 | alex1 | ok thanks Wyzard thanks --what if any problems did you come accress if any |
| 08:34.18 | alex1 | accross |
| 08:34.38 | alex1 | across--bad spelling |
| 08:34.39 | benjamindees | fork and forget |
| 08:35.38 | fwhite | well i tried to use the packages from David Gibson, because my built in wireless is apperently orinoco. |
| 08:35.38 | alex1 | what I was think thinking also was one static ip for win and one static ip for woody |
| 08:35.40 | fwhite | when i try to 'make' it gives me a error 1 and error 2 message. |
| 08:35.55 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: Nothing that particularly stands out... some issues with fullscreen mode not using the refresh rate I'd prefer, and connecting my scanner to a VM causes VMware to crash, but that's about it |
| 08:36.01 | konfuzed | alex1: uh you dont mean public ips do you |
| 08:36.22 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: Why woody? |
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| 08:37.02 | kergoth | Anyone know if there are vim 7.0 alpha packages floating around anywhere? |
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| 08:37.05 | tyranix | fwhite: Are you sure you need that package? I have an orinoco gold card and it works with the default Linux kernel drivers. |
| 08:37.06 | alex1 | well its what I have used before I suppose I could use something else SSS |
| 08:37.17 | tarzeau | funny when official debian mirrors run webalizer... jp,no,ch do! |
| 08:37.30 | CruX| | hi, how can i ncrease max open files for users ? i have default 1024 nd i wanna have 2048 |
| 08:37.57 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: sarge is the current release... |
| 08:38.05 | alex1 | i know |
| 08:38.27 | houn | But Etch was way cooler in the movies. |
| 08:38.35 | fwhite | my utilities arn't setting it up. when i run my wireless manager there is a question mark superimposed over the picture of the card. |
| 08:39.28 | alex1 | Wyzard do you think this port 10000 thing is something to worrey about |
| 08:39.38 | alex1 | worry |
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| 08:39.58 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: no idea... I'm not a security expert |
| 08:40.12 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: Look at the pid and see what process it is that's using that port |
| 08:40.40 | Doctor | hmm is there a way I can pass date a unix timestamp and get useful time info from that? I wanna muck with a unix timestamp in bash |
| 08:40.48 | alex1 | whats the command |
| 08:41.24 | tyranix | alex1: netstat -apn |
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| 08:41.48 | afra | I'm using Debian unstable - why does it not upgrade Thunderbird? I still have 1.0.7 |
| 08:41.51 | sts9 | join #gaim |
| 08:41.56 | sts9 | haha |
| 08:41.57 | sts9 | opps |
| 08:42.10 | houn | afra: I thought that was the latest version in Unstable. |
| 08:42.17 | fwhite | never mind i think it's already installed... |
| 08:42.21 | houn | I had to grab both firefox and thunderbird 1.5 from Sid |
| 08:42.22 | fwhite | thanks guys! |
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| 08:42.58 | benjamindees | alex1, I would definitely be worried about what you pasted; shutdown your machine and reinstall worried |
| 08:42.59 | afra | houn: how? |
| 08:43.29 | afra | houn: I am running sid (unstable)... |
| 08:44.28 | houn | afra: msg dpkg about "quick etch/sid mix" |
| 08:45.00 | houn | I'd make it tell you, but... I don't know how, lol |
| 08:45.13 | liable | afra: if you are really running sid, then you should get it. |
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| 08:46.06 | houn | afra: nvm, I thought you said testing. |
| 08:46.07 | houn | Ignore me. |
| 08:46.24 | alex1 | ok heres whats on 10000 |
| 08:46.30 | afra | ahh..okay yeah i have this "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free" |
| 08:46.48 | liable | !non-free |
| 08:46.49 | dpkg | methinks non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 08:47.10 | liable | err, stupid me always thinks non-us when i see that.. |
| 08:47.11 | alex1 | tcp 0 0 213.152.251.81:10000 217.102.41.88:4921 ESTABLISHED 9159/perl |
| 08:47.13 | afra | firefox is oddly 1.5 though |
| 08:47.32 | liable | !info mozilla-thunderbird |
| 08:47.44 | dpkg | mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 10373 kB, Installed size: 26944 kB |
| 08:47.57 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: perl listening on port 10000... that's probably bad |
| 08:48.04 | tyranix | alex1: ps awwux | grep 9159. But this doesn't sound good if you didn't run a perl script. :) |
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| 08:49.08 | tyranix | afra: maybe you put it on hold? |
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| 08:49.26 | alex1 | webmin uses perl just a sec you've got me worried |
| 08:49.27 | Guerin | Wyzard|TP: perl on port 10000 is webmin |
| 08:49.34 | Guerin | Wyzard|TP: so you're absolutely right |
| 08:49.44 | Wyzard|TP | hehe |
| 08:49.50 | liable | heh, you should be worried, you use webmin.. :) |
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| 08:50.15 | alex1 | ok so whats the deal just a trail |
| 08:51.17 | Wyzard|TP | What you see is someone connected to your webmin |
| 08:51.19 | alex1 | but its not working at the moment |
| 08:51.23 | benjamindees | that other box connected to the X11 port is an old version of Mandrake with 13 open ports, according to nmap |
| 08:51.32 | Guerin | alex1: that's the normal state of affairs for webmin |
| 08:51.48 | Wyzard|TP | (well, unless webmin isn't running and some attacker's script is running instead... check with ps like tyranix said) |
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| 08:52.18 | benjamindees | could you be vulnerable to this? http://www.dyadsecurity.com/webmin-0001.html |
| 08:53.31 | tyranix | alex1: I tried looking for webmin and my zsh cache has lots of webmin packages but I only see webmin-ldapsomething as an install canidate. I'd check to see why webmin was removed. |
| 08:53.58 | tyranix | from testing/unstable |
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| 08:55.21 | alex1 | here we go |
| 08:55.24 | alex1 | root 9159 0.0 1.3 10304 6764 ? S Jan27 0:00 /usr/bin/perl /usr/libexec/webmin/miniserv.pl /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf |
| 08:55.24 | alex1 | root 17347 0.0 0.1 4848 592 pts/797 R 09:15 0:00 grep 9159 |
| 08:55.41 | Guerin | alex1: stop fucking pasting |
| 08:55.45 | Guerin | !paster alex1 |
| 08:55.45 | dpkg | alex1: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 08:55.55 | liable | its only two lines. |
| 08:56.02 | alex1 | ok sorrey |
| 08:56.05 | Guerin | alex1: your first action in this case should be to purge webmin from your machine utterly. |
| 08:56.24 | Guerin | alex1: why you haven't already done this is something of a mystery to me. |
| 08:56.41 | liable | i would rather see two lines here than have to check a pastebot.. |
| 08:56.46 | alex1 | I only fonud out just today |
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| 08:57.43 | kreg_work | liable, this dell support specifically with debian is an eye opener. i would never of realized it. |
| 08:57.44 | liable | you only just found out you use webmin? |
| 08:58.29 | liable | kreg_work: yeah it seems to be a fair pain in the ass for those that have them. |
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| 08:59.21 | alex1 | no what was happing I found out I thought it was a perl problem because I changecd the https from 512 bits to 2048 bits cert it would not bind to port 10000 |
| 09:00.16 | Wyzard|TP | The key length of an SSL certificate shouldn't have anything to do with the ability of a program to bind to a port |
| 09:00.29 | Guerin | unless something is already bound there |
| 09:00.34 | alex1 | well it did |
| 09:00.59 | Wyzard|TP | unless you mean that webmin doesn't understand your certificate and just failed to start at all |
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| 09:01.09 | jair_11 | Guerin, what do you need to change to support other characters beside english letter in apache? for example deutsch and spanish? |
| 09:01.11 | liable | probablt cause you used webmin to change it.. |
| 09:01.24 | Wyzard|TP | Binding to a port has nothing to do with SSL certificates |
| 09:01.35 | dr1v3r | anyone here tell me what i need to look at or do to install a .deb files please? |
| 09:01.40 | alex1 | die "Failed to bind to $sockets[$i]->[1] : $!" if ($j == 5) |
| 09:01.50 | liable | !reference |
| 09:01.50 | dpkg | reference is probably The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 09:01.57 | liable | dr1v3r: ^^ |
| 09:02.06 | dr1v3r | tx liable :D |
| 09:02.25 | liable | np |
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| 09:02.49 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: That line of code isn't very meaningful by itself |
| 09:03.53 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: The usual reasons for failing to bind to a socket are because something else is already using it, or for ports below 1024, because only root can do that |
| 09:04.02 | dr1v3r | just a quicky liable, does a .deb package need building? just so it gives me an idea where to look on the site :D |
| 09:04.12 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone here use or palm other pda with debian? |
| 09:04.14 | Wyzard|TP | dr1v3r: no |
| 09:04.22 | liable | dr1v3r: nup, you kust need to install it with dpkg |
| 09:04.40 | liable | dr1v3r: unless its a source .deb |
| 09:04.44 | dr1v3r | ohhhh right sorry, i know wherer to look now |
| 09:04.46 | dr1v3r | *where |
| 09:04.49 | dr1v3r | thnak you :D |
| 09:04.53 | Wyzard|TP | liable: Those aren't .deb files |
| 09:05.06 | alex1 | i will get into trouble for pateing |
| 09:05.11 | liable | Wyzard|TP: linux-source-foo.deb? |
| 09:05.23 | Wyzard|TP | liable: ah... I thought you meant a source package |
| 09:05.25 | benjamindees | alex1, /join #flood |
| 09:05.29 | liable | :) |
| 09:05.48 | alex1 | what will thay do |
| 09:06.03 | benjamindees | alex1, you can paste there |
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| 09:06.31 | alex1 | any way I am being hacked AND its a bit of a shock |
| 09:06.47 | alex1 | my fault for useing webmin |
| 09:07.29 | houn | Heh |
| 09:07.31 | madradrone | alex1: can't you restrict its access to certain hosts? or require authentication? |
| 09:07.38 | liable | alex1: poor bastard, you have a bad config or old versions? |
| 09:07.39 | houn | It would appear I left out USB support in my new kernel, lol |
| 09:08.03 | alex1 | woody |
| 09:08.08 | Guerin | !wayc houn |
| 09:08.11 | dpkg | houn: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:08.39 | liable | alex1: why use woody? sarge has been out a long time now |
| 09:08.45 | alex1 | so in short purge webmin |
| 09:09.03 | liable | although woody is still getting security innit? |
| 09:09.12 | houn | Guerin: !Because I'm cool like that and haven't used a precompiled kernel in years |
| 09:09.15 | houn | =D |
| 09:09.30 | benjamindees | liable, I don't believe so |
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| 09:09.47 | liable | oh really? |
| 09:10.27 | houn | Please don't tell me that compiling your own kernel is a "bad thing" now :P |
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| 09:10.43 | alex1 | so purge webmin?? |
| 09:11.31 | tyranix | alex1: Depends. If you were compromised, you should reinstall with sarge. If you weren't, you should upgrade to sarge. :) |
| 09:11.31 | owner | houn its a good thing |
| 09:11.42 | madradrone | alex1: can't you restrict its access to certain hosts? or require authentication? |
| 09:11.46 | liable | alex1: if you have been violated, then re-install, not purge. |
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| 09:11.54 | owner | how was he violated? |
| 09:12.07 | liable | i have no idea, he said so.. |
| 09:12.22 | __rOOt__ | I've got two pc's one is a router and one is my LAN. Inside the LAN proftpd is working but on the router I got connection refused. xinetd.conf is configured and hosts.allow hosts.deny allows everything ... What can I do to comprehend this problem ? |
| 09:12.48 | alex1 | only I have root access |
| 09:13.06 | houn | owner: *phew*. I was gonna say... |
| 09:13.21 | alex1 | the password is so tight |
| 09:13.22 | nima | any way to use a differant gtk theme with ratpoison? |
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| 09:13.31 | tyranix | alex1: umm unless you were exploited by that webmin bug. Then whoever is connected to you has root. |
| 09:13.46 | houn | Besides, it just doesn't feel like home unless I've forgotten 3 or 4 kernel modules. |
| 09:13.51 | houn | ;D |
| 09:13.55 | owner | lol |
| 09:14.02 | alex1 | yes one person hes a friend |
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| 09:14.08 | alex1 | or was o god |
| 09:14.50 | alex1 | you can trust no one what a bastard |
| 09:14.58 | sts9 | !compile kernel |
| 09:14.58 | dpkg | somebody said compile kernel was make menuconfig, make dep, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install, or make oldconfig dep clean install modules modules_install, or make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --version=local.1 kernel_image modules_image |
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| 09:15.18 | alex1 | ok thanks guys i have a score to settle |
| 09:15.25 | madradrone | that's outdated for 2.6 |
| 09:15.26 | sts9 | thanks |
| 09:15.39 | sts9 | !thanks |
| 09:15.39 | dpkg | sts9: pas de quoi |
| 09:15.42 | madradrone | but i guess it would tell you that anyway |
| 09:16.00 | houn | sts9: I prefer fakeroot make-kpkg clean && fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.[date] kernel_image |
| 09:16.03 | houn | But to each his own. |
| 09:16.16 | Wyzard|TP | alex1: Why would your friend need to exploit webmin if he already has root on your box? |
| 09:16.34 | sts9 | houn: I was reminding everyone that compiling is not evil. ;) |
| 09:16.37 | owner | why does your friend exploit you? |
| 09:16.42 | Guerin | dpkg, no, compile kernel is <reply> see kp |
| 09:16.42 | alex1 | yes thats a good point |
| 09:16.42 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 09:16.43 | houn | sts9: Hooray! |
| 09:17.03 | Guerin | compiling is not evil, but in most cases it is unnecessary and stupid |
| 09:17.24 | liable | whats the scarynwg factoid? |
| 09:17.25 | Guerin | and complaining about your fuckups in here is offtopic 99% of the time |
| 09:17.32 | alex1 | about three weeks ago he tried to install vpn without telling me |
| 09:17.37 | Guerin | liable: which? |
| 09:17.41 | houn | The alsa-tools package should have a mixer for unmuting channels from the command prompt, yes? |
| 09:17.55 | alex1 | what a nutcsae] |
| 09:17.58 | liable | Guerin: the 99% dont know why .. etc |
| 09:18.01 | owner | he doesnt sound like a good friend alex |
| 09:18.02 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:18.04 | sts9 | Guerin: my topics? |
| 09:18.06 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 09:18.06 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 09:18.15 | liable | ah hexxeh |
| 09:18.16 | Guerin | liable: nothing to do with sng |
| 09:18.22 | alex1 | ok thanks all I will see what can be done |
| 09:18.26 | owner | dpkg compiling kernels isnt that hard |
| 09:18.34 | sts9 | Guerin: this is debian. the kernel is part of it and suing debian tools to compile it is quite on topic |
| 09:18.40 | liable | owner: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:18.43 | Guerin | owner: compiling them is easy. It's configuring them that seems to be beyond most peopl. |
| 09:18.55 | liable | heh |
| 09:18.59 | sts9 | *using* |
| 09:19.01 | Guerin | just like making Crocodile Step is easy |
| 09:19.11 | Guerin | 1. First, catch yourself a crocodile |
| 09:19.23 | Guerin | s/step/stew/ |
| 09:19.26 | Guerin | naturally |
| 09:19.34 | houn | Guerin: I left out an option. I laughed about it. I'm not bothering you with noobie questions. Some people prefer to do things one way, some prefer other options. That's the whole point of this OS and all it's myriad flavors, no? Choice? |
| 09:19.37 | alex1 | thanks all catch you later |
| 09:19.42 | threat | werd |
| 09:19.46 | madradrone | the number of kernel options keeps increasing and its probably hard for someone new to grasp every options |
| 09:19.51 | liable | houn: point |
| 09:20.35 | Guerin | houn: sure, i'm not dissing on you particularly, since you're not going "OMG teh debain fuxx0rd my kernal, y do it says "KERNAL PANIC" omg u fuxxorz!!!" |
| 09:20.44 | tyranix | That's why if people are going to compile their own (and are timid about it), they should start with the config from a Debian kernel image. |
| 09:20.45 | madradrone | but usually the defaults are pretty good |
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| 09:21.06 | sts9 | I think compiling your own kernel is an excellent way to learn Linux, maybe not debian specifically, but you learn its pieces and makes you learn things about your machine you never knew |
| 09:21.08 | owner | the archck patch is good |
| 09:21.17 | owner | for those thinking of a kernel compile |
| 09:21.30 | Guerin | actually, starting your own config from a debian kernel cvonfig is unwise, since debian configs are built to work with an initrd or similar, and 90% of newbies don;t realise this |
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| 09:21.44 | Guerin | this means that the first kernel most people build simply will not work. |
| 09:22.09 | owner | i dont think ubuntu kernel uses initrd |
| 09:22.17 | Guerin | owner: i bet it does. |
| 09:22.18 | houn | Guerin: Breaking things == Learning Experience? |
| 09:22.18 | liable | you sure? |
| 09:22.22 | tyranix | Guerin: But if you build it the Debian way, then it is a good idea. |
| 09:22.30 | Guerin | houn: no. Fixing things == learning experience. |
| 09:22.33 | owner | because ppl have been importing configs with ubuntu kernels and compiling |
| 09:22.44 | owner | most of the complaints are from debian kernel |
| 09:22.44 | Guerin | tyranix: not really, because the kp mantra doesn't include --initrd |
| 09:22.51 | houn | Guerin: There's a certain amount that can be learned from the breaking as well ;) |
| 09:22.59 | Guerin | owner: well, that's just stupidity on their part. |
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| 09:23.09 | houn | And you can't have anything to fix if you're not brave enough to break it first. |
| 09:23.19 | Guerin | owner: initrd is the only sane way to support arbitrarily large amounts of hardware. |
| 09:23.31 | Guerin | or another initrd system, like initramfs or yaird |
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| 09:24.13 | Guerin | owner: unless you recommend building every ide, sata and scsi controller and all filesystems into the kernel. |
| 09:24.46 | sts9 | Ive never had initrd with my compiles with make-kpkg. Never once had a problem till I tried on my 133mhz. which is something I did. not debian sources problem. now I just gotta figure out what I did (or didnt do) |
| 09:25.34 | sts9 | but I turn off every option that doesnt relate specifically to my machine |
| 09:25.34 | Guerin | houn: the point being that most people don't do it as a learning experience, or try to learn from it - they do it because it's 1337, or because they bought shitty hardware and have to use broken 3rd-party proprietary experimental shiteware to support it, or because they're following a howto which was written in 1997 for slackware |
| 09:25.48 | owner | lol guerin |
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| 09:26.52 | Guerin | i only build my own kernel for my laptop, and only because suspend2 isn't in stock. |
| 09:27.05 | owner | yeah suspend2 is great |
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| 09:27.14 | sts9 | switching the latency for desktop is a big reason I do it, but also to cut down boot time ;) |
| 09:27.19 | Guerin | owner: it works EXACTLY as advertised. |
| 09:27.24 | Guerin | amazing! |
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| 09:27.41 | owner | besides with xconfig you have a nice graphical setup for your kernel compile |
| 09:27.51 | owner | you can uncheck all the stuff you know you will never need |
| 09:27.52 | Guerin | sts9: who cares about boot time when you boot once per month at most? |
| 09:28.37 | houn | Hmm... |
| 09:28.37 | madradrone | swsusp2 seems to crash on me every 5 or so resumes or suspends |
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| 09:28.45 | sts9 | Guerin: laptop |
| 09:28.52 | Guerin | sts9: see above re: suspend2 |
| 09:29.00 | Guerin | martin0: what machine? |
| 09:29.03 | houn | Odd, that had no effect. |
| 09:29.04 | Guerin | madradrone: ? |
| 09:29.16 | madradrone | thinkpad g41 |
| 09:29.16 | houn | Sound is still all messed up. |
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| 09:29.33 | sts9 | !suspend2 |
| 09:29.33 | dpkg | hmm... suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
| 09:29.34 | Guerin | hm, stinkpad acpi can be flakey |
| 09:29.39 | Guerin | my mum's is, anyway |
| 09:29.52 | owner | suspend2 is in the archck patch |
| 09:29.53 | houn | Well, that obviously wasn't the issue. |
| 09:30.10 | liable | bah its ok. |
| 09:30.28 | liable | never had a problem with it. |
| 09:30.33 | MB350 | sorry about the away message earlier |
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| 09:30.41 | madradrone | mostly it works. i always have to be careful to unplug any attached storage devices before suspending |
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| 09:30.55 | madradrone | if i resume without them... |
| 09:31.04 | Guerin | mum's USB breaks horribly whenever the machine comes out of any sort of acpi mode - even display off |
| 09:31.07 | MB350 | I forgot the message shows in every channel im in under the server |
| 09:31.16 | thechris | i am having issue with a second X11 session in ubuntu. since no one in ubutnu seems to know what a second X11 session is, would it be ok for me to ask for help here? |
| 09:31.21 | liable | madradrone: well you can unload shit in the hibernete confs.. |
| 09:31.26 | Guerin | madradrone: you can make suspend2 remove and re-probe modules, and restart services, you realise. |
| 09:31.30 | madradrone | the last freeze i had yesterday was related to modprobe of ehc_hcd on resume |
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| 09:31.53 | Guerin | thechris: no. |
| 09:31.59 | madradrone | yeah guess i need to finegle it a bit more |
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| 09:32.04 | Guerin | thechris: ask on ubuntu's fora or in an X channel |
| 09:32.05 | liable | madradrone: you asked on linux-thinkpad? |
| 09:32.05 | owner | lol guerin |
| 09:32.12 | tyranix | Are you guys using stock debian kernel sources and applying the suspend2.net patches? |
| 09:32.25 | owner | tyranix i recommend the archck patch |
| 09:32.29 | thechris | Guerin, X channel? any reccomendations for an X11 channel? |
| 09:32.34 | houn | Hmm. Anyone else have any ideas on Alsa sound being messed up? |
| 09:32.37 | Guerin | thechris: i use debian 2.6.12 and kernel-patch-suspend2 |
| 09:32.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:32.41 | liable | i had problems with debian source and suspend2 |
| 09:32.44 | Guerin | tyranix: ^ |
| 09:32.55 | liable | oh, its in repos now iniiit? |
| 09:32.55 | owner | why not 2.6.14 guerin |
| 09:32.59 | Guerin | tyranix: there might be a #xorg |
| 09:33.00 | nima | i dont think its a bad idea for thechris to ask here |
| 09:33.15 | Guerin | owner: patchset not available for it in debian |
| 09:33.19 | madradrone | liable: mostly its been stable. occasionally for some reason it will freeze |
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| 09:33.21 | liable | hrm or not |
| 09:33.25 | Guerin | nima: if you want to help him, do so in #ubuntu |
| 09:33.37 | tyranix | Guerin: Hmmm where is kernel-patch-suspend2 at? It's not in my cache. :( |
| 09:33.46 | Guerin | tyranix: in experimental |
| 09:33.50 | liable | madradrone: set logging a bit higher? |
| 09:33.54 | tyranix | Guerin: Ahh okay, thanks. |
| 09:33.55 | madradrone | what /me would like to figure out is how to get the nvidia driver to work with swsusp2 |
| 09:34.10 | owner | guerin, i dont you download from kernel.org ? |
| 09:34.24 | Guerin | owner: not currently. |
| 09:34.26 | owner | because archck has suspend 2 for 2.6.14 and 2.6.15 |
| 09:34.34 | liable | madradrone: doesnt, thats a nvidia driver problem, use nv if you dont need 3d |
| 09:34.47 | madradrone | liable: i do use nv |
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| 09:35.04 | Guerin | owner: unless you mean 'why don't', in which case my answer: can't be arsed |
| 09:35.07 | Guerin | !virtues |
| 09:35.08 | dpkg | The three great virtues of a programmer are 1) Laziness 2) Impatience 3) Hubris |
| 09:35.10 | madradrone | liable: luckily i'm one of those people who gets motion sickness from 3d stuff |
| 09:35.25 | owner | lol |
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| 09:35.27 | madradrone | liable: so i have no need for the 3d features of the card |
| 09:35.28 | liable | madradrone: hah. really? nv baulks? |
| 09:36.13 | liable | madradrone: you have a TP with a nvidia card? |
| 09:36.21 | madradrone | liable: yeah |
| 09:36.41 | madradrone | liable: and a HT 3.33 P4 cpu |
| 09:36.59 | Guerin | and about 90 minutes battery life |
| 09:37.06 | madradrone | you should see the size of the heat sink in the corner of this thing |
| 09:37.16 | liable | madradrone: whats that? a z model or something? |
| 09:37.42 | madradrone | liable: g41. i was lucky too cause they just stopped the whole G line |
| 09:37.44 | liable | i never knew they even put nvidia cards in em. |
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| 09:38.39 | owner | i love it how you can enter an md5 sum to compare in k3b |
| 09:38.43 | owner | i wonder if nero has such a feature |
| 09:39.02 | madradrone | lspci | egrep -ri nvidia "nVidia Corporation NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200] (rev a1) |
| 09:39.21 | raf256 | can someone please email me /usr/bin/ldd from debian unstable/ |
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| 09:39.41 | matej_ | hi |
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| 09:40.11 | madradrone | raf256: apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 09:40.13 | Guerin | raf256: no. |
| 09:40.20 | matej_ | what is wrong with my locales? There is a error, but i cant dpkg-reconfigure locale or local. Why? |
| 09:40.23 | raf256 | madradrone: no |
| 09:40.26 | raf256 | Guerin: why not? |
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| 09:40.44 | Guerin | raf256: because if you're using unstable you should be able to fix the shit you broke. |
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| 09:41.22 | Guerin | raf256: boot into a livecd with dpkg and use dpkg's --root and similar optopns to reinstall the package you need |
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| 09:41.29 | raf256 | Guerin: I am sorry, I must overlooked the "be un-helpfull to co-users, and try to stab then if possible" part of debian references |
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| 09:42.01 | tyranix | hmm I thought that was on the second page. |
| 09:42.02 | matej_ | It seems to be, that i havent install locales. Which package is it? |
| 09:42.06 | raf256 | madradrone: "/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 168: ldd: command not found" |
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| 09:42.10 | Guerin | raf256: no, you overlooked the "don't use sid unless you're a bad motherfucker" part |
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| 09:42.16 | owner | lol |
| 09:42.27 | raf256 | Guerin: yes, all that above IS simplier then just re-send the file |
| 09:42.29 | Guerin | raf256: i told you how to fix it, now go and do so. |
| 09:42.40 | raf256 | but why be helpfull to community why we can fight and waste time instead? |
| 09:42.45 | Guerin | raf256: i suppose you want people to wipe your arse for you, as well? |
| 09:42.55 | liable | fuck! warm beer, or frozen beer.. :( |
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| 09:43.05 | owner | raf256 you should try ubuntu |
| 09:43.05 | Guerin | liable: beercicles! |
| 09:43.07 | thechris | raf256, i have to agree. if you want to use something labeled as "unstable", well, you can't expect the best results, or for the problems to be easily solved. |
| 09:43.09 | raf256 | Guerin: it would take you SHORTER to send that patch, then to write the response above |
| 09:43.16 | Guerin | raf256: nope. |
| 09:43.19 | raf256 | s/patch/file |
| 09:43.34 | matej_ | How to install locales? Please help me guys.. |
| 09:43.36 | raf256 | Guerin: well it takes me like 5 seconds to email a file... |
| 09:43.47 | dr1v3r | anyone here ever used bandwidthd? |
| 09:43.47 | raf256 | owner: I have ubuntu installed as well |
| 09:43.48 | liable | i spose i can peel the can off it and stick a skewer in it :) |
| 09:43.49 | Guerin | raf256: you have a long history of breaking shit in sid and then coming here to have people bail you out. |
| 09:43.51 | madradrone | matej_: apt-get install locales localeconf |
| 09:44.10 | matej_ | madradrone: okey, tnx, ill try..brb |
| 09:44.10 | owner | which do you like more raf |
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| 09:44.22 | raf256 | Guerin: what, I wanted help for community! that requres up to 20 seconds! omfg I am such a bastard! |
| 09:44.32 | raf256 | owner: I like debian more |
| 09:44.56 | Guerin | raf256: so boot into ubuntu, and use the ubuntu debian tools to fix your broken sid install. Feel the glory of self-sufficiency! |
| 09:45.11 | raf256 | any of 777 people could be so kind and email to irc6-ticket@raf256.com copy of /usr/bin/ldd its a tiny file |
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| 09:45.19 | madradrone | raf256: what does ls -la /usr/bin/ldd report? |
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| 09:45.51 | raf256 | madradrone: No such file or directory, ofcourse. I was asking how to install ldd after deleting this file. |
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| 09:46.08 | madradrone | raf256: how could it possibly be missing? |
| 09:46.15 | Guerin | raf256: what exactly is wrong with my answer? |
| 09:46.15 | raf256 | madradrone: because it got deleted |
| 09:46.23 | Guerin | madradrone: because he's a fucking moron. |
| 09:46.26 | raf256 | Guerin: requires rebooting twice |
| 09:46.32 | madradrone | lol |
| 09:46.40 | Guerin | raf256: a small price to pay to have a working ldd again |
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| 09:46.52 | raf256 | it seems peoples here appriciate beeing arogant ass |
| 09:46.58 | matej_ | madradrone: there is still: cannont set LC_ALL - no such file or directory. |
| 09:47.00 | Guerin | raf256: if you'd done it when I first suggested, you'd be fucking finished already. |
| 09:47.07 | raf256 | madradrone: you are a fucktard! <-- am I beeing funny now? |
| 09:47.07 | madradrone | raf256: they're just grilling you man |
| 09:47.37 | madradrone | matej_: dpkg-reconfigure localeconf did you try that? |
| 09:47.47 | matej_ | madradrone: just locales |
| 09:47.51 | raf256 | Guerin: how? |
| 09:47.57 | Guerin | raf256: see above |
| 09:48.01 | raf256 | Guerin: where from to get the .deb with ldd |
| 09:48.09 | raf256 | Guerin: I have a working system and what? |
| 09:48.15 | raf256 | ok, forget that, |
| 09:48.24 | Guerin | raf256: you already should have on in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:48.26 | Zodo | So...I've got an old PII laptop serving up NAT, DNS, and DHCP for my network. It ends up idling much of the time. Any suggestions for useful/fun ideas of tasks to pile upon it? |
| 09:48.29 | raf256 | where can I dowload directly a .deb of libc6 ? |
| 09:48.35 | raf256 | indeed |
| 09:48.49 | Guerin | raf256: ftp.debian.org |
| 09:48.58 | owner | i have an interesting question |
| 09:49.03 | owner | what is /dev/.static |
| 09:49.16 | matej_ | madradrone: i think now works. BRB. |
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| 09:49.22 | Guerin | raf256: man dpkg, man apt.conf to learn how to install debian packages to a different root and admin directory, and how to pass dpkg options through apt* |
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| 09:49.29 | benjamindees | Zodo, gnunet |
| 09:49.37 | Guerin | owner: something to do with udev |
| 09:50.12 | liable | owner: yeah, udev shits |
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| 09:50.27 | owner | k3b complains about not being able to access it |
| 09:50.35 | owner | wonder if i should chmod it... |
| 09:50.39 | liable | what? |
| 09:50.54 | Guerin | owner: no. |
| 09:51.03 | Guerin | owner: does k3b fail? |
| 09:51.12 | owner | no but its been having some burning problems |
| 09:51.43 | liable | try cdrecord |
| 09:52.31 | dipoll | How I can autosetup my printer? |
| 09:52.46 | liable | hehe, sec |
| 09:52.52 | owner | gnomebaker is burning the cd now |
| 09:52.59 | owner | so its not the cd |
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| 09:53.59 | liable | !qotd108 |
| 09:54.00 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
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| 09:54.37 | Guerin | !greycat++ |
| 09:54.37 | liable | s/see/setup/ |
| 09:55.06 | Guerin | !printers |
| 09:55.06 | dpkg | printers is, like, to see if you printer works in linux, go to http://www.linuxprinting.org and go to printer listings Evil Things From Hell Sent To Torment System Administrators. |
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| 09:57.04 | madradrone | how to instantly spike a sysadmin's galvanic skin response: repeat the word printer 3 times |
| 09:57.16 | liable | dipoll: install cupsys, 127.0.0.1:631 |
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| 09:58.00 | tyranix | Wow, kernel-patch-suspend2 has been in experimental for over a year? Is it ever going to migrate into unstable/testing? |
| 09:58.12 | Sebbecking | Hi there... euhm.. I'm a kind of noob, so please forgive my question: How can I show all via apt-get installed packages ? |
| 09:58.43 | sts9 | Sebbecking: try aptitude? |
| 09:58.46 | dipoll | liable: I did it, but it didn't find my printer correctly :( |
| 09:58.58 | liable | dkpg -l |grep ^ii |
| 09:59.03 | sts9 | or for GUI - synaptic |
| 09:59.06 | benjamindees | Sebbecking, dpkg -l |
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| 09:59.17 | Sebbecking | well, good idea, thaks benjamindees and sts9 ;) |
| 09:59.24 | liable | dipoll: check the linuxprinting site for your model then |
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| 09:59.41 | dr1v3r | has anyone here ever used bandwidthd? |
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| 10:00.04 | liable | neine |
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| 10:00.31 | dipoll | liable: I have pretty old printer, It is supported .. I know |
| 10:00.38 | kevix | !dr1v3r just ask |
| 10:00.46 | houn | So, no one |
| 10:00.57 | houn | ...that was an odd graphical bug. |
| 10:01.15 | houn | Ahem. So, no one has any issues with their SB Live! card and Alsa? |
| 10:01.24 | dr1v3r | kevix i did just ask |
| 10:01.27 | liable | dipoll: then its broken, or you are doing something wrond.. |
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| 10:01.42 | houn | Anyone here, are you using a 1.6 kernel? What version? Compiled in, or Modules? |
| 10:01.46 | houn | Er, 2.6 |
| 10:01.48 | madradrone | dipoll: is it parallell or usb? |
| 10:02.06 | owner | i am houn |
| 10:02.06 | dipoll | liable: My printer is on usb |
| 10:02.18 | owner | 2.6.14 here |
| 10:02.18 | madradrone | dipoll: is usblp module loaded? |
| 10:02.26 | dipoll | Yep |
| 10:02.42 | madradrone | dipoll: does lsusb show it? |
| 10:03.03 | houn | Ok, this is odd. It sounds BETTER in mono... |
| 10:03.07 | sts9 | 2.6.15 compiled with usb and networking with mostly modules |
| 10:03.09 | liable | dipoll: whats the error? you got the foomatic shits? |
| 10:03.14 | houn | Phase issues? |
| 10:03.16 | dipoll | Hmm, i can't check it right noe. I am at work |
| 10:03.23 | sts9 | I mean usb and networking are all modules |
| 10:03.39 | liable | then we cant help.. |
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| 10:03.48 | dipoll | But my printer was detect as bjc600 |
| 10:04.02 | dipoll | I have bjc2100 |
| 10:04.06 | liable | dipoll: come back when you can acces it. |
| 10:04.11 | owner | canon doesnt have much linux support |
| 10:04.18 | dipoll | Tnx guys! |
| 10:04.28 | madradrone | those are easy to set up |
| 10:04.44 | houn | Oh my Effing god... |
| 10:05.01 | houn | The cord was loose on the back of the tower XP |
| 10:05.09 | houn | *bangs head on desk* |
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| 10:06.13 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.17 | kevix | dr1v3r: it is preferred to say 'this is the error I got, can anyone help?' vs 'does any use/have X' |
| 10:06.29 | houn | Rock. Two Hours of Tinkering and Kernel Recompliations for a loose calbe, lol |
| 10:06.39 | houn | *cable |
| 10:06.40 | kevix | houn: KISS |
| 10:06.43 | sts9 | houn: haha Ive got this MASSIVE beast 21" CRT that just buries my KVM switch. and the cord got knocked and I freaked and though my monitor died yesterday. lol |
| 10:07.00 | houn | Well, now that I've made a complete fool of myself, it's time for sleep! |
| 10:07.03 | houn | Night all |
| 10:07.21 | dr1v3r | guys just a quick one, whats the command that can be used with apt-get install package that will auto install any required packages required by the package that is being installed? |
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| 10:07.45 | kevix | houn: you need: caffine or sleep. so you choose sleep! |
| 10:07.49 | houn | dr1v3r: Doesn't it do that be default? |
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| 10:07.57 | houn | s/be/by |
| 10:07.59 | liable | dipoll: um, it just does it.. |
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| 10:08.15 | dr1v3r | no, if the package your installing requires others to be installed it erros and tells you |
| 10:08.17 | yos87 | hi |
| 10:08.21 | liable | dr1v3r: dpkg -i, on the other hand wont. |
| 10:08.27 | kevix | dr1v3r: that is the default behavior, thus apt-get is superior to rpm! |
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| 10:08.45 | dr1v3r | hmmmm mine does not do that |
| 10:08.57 | kevix | dr1v3r: it gives you an error if it can not install what it needs. |
| 10:09.00 | dr1v3r | i dont know if it was changed during install |
| 10:09.06 | liable | dr1v3r: what is the exact command you are using? |
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| 10:09.16 | lesshaste | nobody knows?? |
| 10:09.20 | dr1v3r | ./configure |
| 10:09.24 | houn | Actually, before I sleep, what's the command to SAVE the volume settings? |
| 10:09.31 | kevix | dr1v3r: this is often fixed by 'apt-get update' |
| 10:09.34 | liable | dr1v3r: wtf? |
| 10:09.37 | dr1v3r | i have updated |
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| 10:09.57 | liable | dr1v3r: you are compilling source? |
| 10:10.04 | kevix | houn: which? like alsa? |
| 10:10.14 | dr1v3r | no i have a package that i have extracted and i want to now compile i |
| 10:10.16 | houn | kevix: Yeah, Alsa |
| 10:10.16 | dr1v3r | *it |
| 10:10.39 | liable | dr1v3r: then read the docs for it.. /usr/share/doc/foo |
| 10:11.06 | liable | dr1v3r: what did you install? |
| 10:11.21 | sts9 | well rpm has yum now. But found its even worse. Yum will spit out the most rediculous dependancies. - and then downloaded them all and install and configure a crapload of insecure services you dont need |
| 10:11.26 | dr1v3r | i know how to install it but it is needing other packages, which i would like to have it install auto, but it is not working like that |
| 10:11.38 | liable | dr1v3r: what did you install? |
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| 10:11.56 | liable | dr1v3r: how did you install it? |
| 10:11.57 | kevix | houn: man alsactl should help |
| 10:12.05 | dr1v3r | i have downloaded bandwidthd as the .gz and have extracted it to the folder |
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| 10:12.36 | liable | dr1v3r: apt-get *wont* get dependencies for random shit you decide to compile.. |
| 10:12.44 | houn | kevix: Rock, thanks |
| 10:12.48 | houn | ./stored |
| 10:12.51 | houn | Now, sleep. |
| 10:12.53 | houn | Later |
| 10:12.59 | gubkabob | is somebody there from RUSSIA??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| 10:13.06 | liable | !ru |
| 10:13.06 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 10:13.07 | gubkabob | i need help |
| 10:13.28 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: Why have you done so instead of just simply "apt-get install bandwidthd"? |
| 10:13.41 | kevix | dr1v3r: it is at 2.0.1 in unstable. |
| 10:13.47 | dr1v3r | i tried that monix but that couldnt find the package |
| 10:14.29 | liable | dr1v3r: dude, apt-get cant install dependancies for .tar.gz files you install...! |
| 10:14.31 | dr1v3r | yes i know, because the one that needed building from .deb wouldnt work so i am trying the unstable |
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| 10:14.39 | dr1v3r | liable i know |
| 10:14.47 | kevix | liable: hehe |
| 10:15.17 | dr1v3r | i am using ./configure, i need to know fi there is a way that while using configure if i can have the packages it needs auto installing |
| 10:15.37 | liable | dr1v3r: dont mix unstable either, untill you know how apt/dpkg works. |
| 10:15.43 | dr1v3r | i typred it wrong earlier and i have just realised |
| 10:16.01 | dr1v3r | i need this program installing |
| 10:16.06 | dipoll | gubkabob: From Ukraine :) |
| 10:16.07 | dr1v3r | *package |
| 10:16.17 | tyranix | dr1v3r: Have you looked at auto-apt? |
| 10:16.20 | dr1v3r | it is the only one that can show my net stats the way i want them |
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| 10:16.50 | kevix | dr1v3r: that is why I use free software. |
| 10:16.52 | liable | dr1v3r: google then, or ask in ##linux, we dont support random source package installs |
| 10:17.36 | dr1v3r | i have googled, but i would like one that is currently stable but there is not, so i am having to use unstable |
| 10:17.42 | tom | i'm looking for a http server which can serve files bigger than 2 GB (apache 2.2 can do this but is not yet in debian) |
| 10:17.45 | nonix4 | dr1ver: ./configure is not connected to debian package management in any way, at minimum you ought to use debian/rules ... |
| 10:17.52 | kevix | tyranix: dr1v3r's problem is not related to it. |
| 10:18.05 | dr1v3r | tyranix not yet, but that i need to make sure is setup to work properly, thank you |
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| 10:18.32 | liable | dr1v3r: where did you get this source? |
| 10:18.46 | dr1v3r | from a link on debian packages |
| 10:18.52 | liable | where? |
| 10:18.57 | dr1v3r | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bandwidthd |
| 10:19.03 | kevix | nonix4: I have heard people use 'checkinstall' for adding source compiles to deb pkg mang. |
| 10:19.07 | dr1v3r | its there the download link |
| 10:19.14 | dr1v3r | it is unstable but its there |
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| 10:19.31 | liable | dr1v3r: and why do you think this will install on sarge and wtf are you doing ./configure for? |
| 10:19.50 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: you applied the diff, right? |
| 10:19.57 | kevix | dr1v3r: first you use apt-get install, then you might want to apt-src, then maybe .tgz |
| 10:19.58 | dr1v3r | i am doing configure because that is how it is installed |
| 10:20.08 | dr1v3r | apt-get install says package not found |
| 10:20.21 | Snow | hi guys |
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| 10:20.26 | Snow | what should I do, I rebooted the machine |
| 10:20.30 | Snow | and I get this message |
| 10:20.31 | Snow | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer deference at virtual adress 00004 |
| 10:20.39 | Snow | kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task . In idle taskl - nmot syncing |
| 10:20.40 | kevix | dr1v3r: are you using stable, testing or unstable ( and do you know the difference?) |
| 10:20.40 | liable | dr1v3r: erm, no, the .deb does not need ./configure.. |
| 10:20.42 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: well you could upgrade entirely to unstable :-) |
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| 10:20.59 | liable | dr1v3r: if you need it, get it from sourceforge |
| 10:21.04 | dr1v3r | i am using stable debian |
| 10:21.10 | liable | nonix4: dont fucking say that |
| 10:21.11 | dr1v3r | liable i have not got the .deb |
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| 10:21.17 | dr1v3r | i ahve got teh tar.gz |
| 10:21.22 | Snow | any ideas?? |
| 10:21.30 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.40 | sts9 | dr1v3r: right I understand. I di the same thing when I started on debian. before I fully switched to unstable. There IS a binary package download on that site. you dont need to download the source. you can get the .deb and use dpkg |
| 10:21.46 | kevix | dr1v3r: debian is a MOSTLY a binary distribution, unlike gentoo. |
| 10:21.47 | liable | dr1v3r: right. then why say you got it from unstable? |
| 10:22.00 | yos87 | when I type apt-get install x-window-system-core , it will connect to the internet automaticlly, how can I make it from CD |
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| 10:22.18 | yos87 | it will be very slow from internet |
| 10:22.23 | liable | dr1v3r: and why dont you follow the instaructions on sourveforge? |
| 10:22.34 | dr1v3r | be i did get it from the unstable url |
| 10:22.37 | sts9 | cause he got it from the package site and downloaded the source instead of the binary. Am I right? or just not paying attention |
| 10:22.37 | sts9 | ? |
| 10:22.38 | yos87 | liable: hi |
| 10:22.42 | liable | meh, my typing sucks tonight as usual.. |
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| 10:22.48 | kevix | yos87: so upgrade to a T1 ! |
| 10:22.57 | dr1v3r | the url says unstable and i got ti from there, so therfore it will be unstable wont it |
| 10:23.12 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: the .tar.gz alone has "nothing" to do with debian - at minimum you need the .diff.gz and the debian/rules it provides |
| 10:23.17 | yos87 | kevix: but I have it the cd |
| 10:23.34 | sts9 | but you could have just installed the binary. didnt need the source |
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| 10:23.37 | kevix | sts9: the question remains: why in the !@$# is he doing it this way! |
| 10:23.38 | yos87 | kevix: it's already adsl |
| 10:23.38 | liable | yos87: if you have the cdrom entry still, then apt will only get the newer packages from the net |
| 10:23.41 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: if you are using sarge, download the .deb from sourceforge and use that |
| 10:24.06 | liable | dr1v3r: the exact url you downloaded from. |
| 10:24.08 | Kpoxman | who's ready to take care about newbie? :) I have problems installing Debian: it hungs up trying to load 1394 driver. how can I skip this? |
| 10:24.16 | kevix | yos87: I'm on dialup! so how can you have a slow internet x-) |
| 10:24.17 | dr1v3r | i did down load the .deb and it didnt work, like i have already mentione |
| 10:24.24 | dr1v3r | *mentioned |
| 10:24.29 | yos87 | liable: but the cd inside, and it's not detected |
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| 10:24.38 | yos87 | kevix: it arround 90 mb |
| 10:24.45 | dr1v3r | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bandwidthd this is the url i download the file from |
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| 10:24.49 | dr1v3r | the tar.gz |
| 10:25.01 | yos87 | kevix: I had bought the 14 cd, why should I connect to the internet |
| 10:25.05 | sts9 | kevix: cause the downloads for the deb and the source arent in the same spot. The source and diff links are the most visible links. so thats what he grabbed. |
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| 10:25.32 | liable | dr1v3r: get the source from sourceforge |
| 10:25.45 | liable | dr1v3r: not from the debian page |
| 10:26.00 | kevix | sts9: I know the debian site. but why would someone download from there and not 'apt-get' with the super cow power it has! |
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| 10:26.17 | dr1v3r | SARGE-bandwidthd_2.0.1_i386.deb this one you mean? |
| 10:26.27 | konfuzed | oh man oh man That child process still wont go to sleep and it just wont respond to those kill signals |
| 10:26.41 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: yes, get that and try to dpkg -i SARGE-bandwidthd_2.0.1_i386.deb |
| 10:26.43 | dr1v3r | i have tried this and it didnt work, i have already said this |
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| 10:26.54 | kevix | yos87: what are you trying to install? |
| 10:27.12 | yos87 | kevix: graphic mode |
| 10:27.18 | llll_st | whats up |
| 10:27.19 | sts9 | well you still should use apt-get - you said you need a specific feature in THAT version? your are stable/testing? |
| 10:27.26 | dr1v3r | it gave me folders and i done the config file but it didnt work, tried to start it but wouldnt start |
| 10:27.32 | yos87 | kevix: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 10:27.45 | yos87 | kevix: it should detect cd |
| 10:27.52 | kevix | dr1v3r: you are installing a random package in your system rather then doing it the 'debian way' |
| 10:27.57 | yos87 | kevix: not to connect to the internet |
| 10:28.15 | dr1v3r | E: Couldn't find package bandwidthd |
| 10:28.34 | kevix | yos87: ok. X. you did 'apt-get install ..'. and it asked for the CD? |
| 10:28.34 | nonix4 | kevix: random package doesn't really deserve being called a package - call it "random bunch of files" :-) |
| 10:28.35 | liable | !+info bandwidthd sarge |
| 10:28.36 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:28.39 | dr1v3r | there is no package called bandwidthd from apt-get |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | Package 'bandwidthd' does not exist. |
| 10:28.55 | dr1v3r | see |
| 10:29.01 | sts9 | dr1v3r: unless you NEED a feature in a different realease (testing/unstable) if you are stable dont use the deb. your downloading a STABLE deb. ther should be no need for that. |
| 10:29.02 | liable | dr1v3r: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89685&release_id=184856 |
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| 10:29.03 | yos87 | kevix: it did'nt ask |
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| 10:29.18 | tomwys | hi |
| 10:29.18 | yos87 | kevix: it went to the internet connection directly |
| 10:29.30 | tomwys | when i can find seamonkey in .deb ? |
| 10:29.36 | dr1v3r | thats what i downloaded liable |
| 10:29.40 | dr1v3r | i have that |
| 10:29.41 | kevix | yos87: did you add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list for the internet? |
| 10:29.43 | dr1v3r | thats what i have |
| 10:29.58 | dr1v3r | SARGE-bandwidthd_2.0.1_i386.deb |
| 10:30.17 | yos87 | kevix: I think when I scan all cd's first time, they will be added ? isn't it? |
| 10:30.26 | dr1v3r | i done the dpkg to compile it but it would not work |
| 10:30.30 | liable | dr1v3r: paste the exact errors to a psater |
| 10:30.38 | kevix | dr1v3r: hopefull soon you will learn the secret of super cow powers! |
| 10:30.44 | yos87 | kevix: should I add a line manually? |
| 10:30.47 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: what do you have in /etc/debian_version ? |
| 10:30.51 | dr1v3r | there is none, it will not start up, no pid file, the config is correct and everything |
| 10:30.57 | sts9 | dr1v3r: you try apt-get install bandwidthd? |
| 10:31.03 | liable | yos87: paste your sources list to a psater |
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| 10:31.10 | liable | sts9: not in sarge |
| 10:31.25 | liable | sts9: keep up son.. |
| 10:31.25 | dr1v3r | i would preffer to use the apt-get install to get it but its not there so i cant |
| 10:31.33 | liable | dr1v3r: paste the exact errors to a psater |
| 10:31.39 | kevix | yos87: apt will use what info you gave it to get the most recent version. if it asks for the internet, it was told to look there because it found a more recent version. |
| 10:31.39 | liable | paster |
| 10:31.49 | dr1v3r | there is no errors |
| 10:31.53 | dr1v3r | it just does not start |
| 10:32.00 | liable | then whats the fucking problem? |
| 10:32.03 | dr1v3r | it looks as if it has started but it has not |
| 10:32.03 | sts9 | liable: haha - I was making a sandwich. |
| 10:32.20 | liable | dr1v3r: then read the docs |
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| 10:32.26 | dr1v3r | i have read the docs |
| 10:32.29 | liable | dr1v3r: ps aux |
| 10:32.32 | kevix | yos87: so you have a line in /etc/apt/source.list for the internet. |
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| 10:32.55 | kevix | yos87: if you remove it and then apt-get update, it will look on the cd's. |
| 10:33.00 | dr1v3r | it is not in there |
| 10:33.00 | yos87 | kevix: how to open the file sourcer.list |
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| 10:33.20 | kevix | dr1v3r: 99.9% of the time you apt-get install. |
| 10:33.26 | wishkah | is there a 'tiny linux kernel' package or do I have to compile a small kernel myself? |
| 10:33.33 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: do did you do that dpkg -i with the sarge .deb? |
| 10:33.35 | wishkah | (running debian on libretto 50ct with 16M ram) |
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| 10:33.44 | kevix | yos87: do you know vi, vim, emacs, or ? |
| 10:33.57 | dr1v3r | yes i done that dpkg -i |
| 10:34.01 | yos87 | kevix: no |
| 10:34.03 | dr1v3r | thats how i got the folders |
| 10:34.08 | kevix | wishkah: I have a 100ct (166/32mb) with sarge! |
| 10:34.11 | yos87 | kevix: what is vi, vim.. |
| 10:34.27 | liable | dr1v3r: well, complain on their forums |
| 10:34.29 | nonix4 | kevix: well, this is the 0.1% where he doesn't have the proper sources.list entry for a deb not included in the distro version used by him |
| 10:34.33 | wishkah | kevix: sweet, having 32mb of ram would solve a lot of my problems :) |
| 10:34.48 | wishkah | but I cannot afford the 100bucks for a 16mb upgrade |
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| 10:34.53 | matej_ | hi again |
| 10:35.03 | kevix | yos87: you need to learn at least one standard unix editor. pico, nano, vi or emacs are text editors. |
| 10:35.34 | matej_ | i wanna install ati drivers now, but in repos i didnt see kernel source tree for k7 kernels (or any 2.6). Do i have to compile it? =/ |
| 10:35.37 | konfuzed | thank god for theobroma |
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| 10:35.50 | liable | dr1v3r: really, read a bit, and try and figure it out, this is a package that isnt in sarge, and you installed it like 60 minutes agao at the most, so try and work it out.. |
| 10:35.54 | yos87 | kevix: can't you tell me how to open that text editor? |
| 10:36.25 | Guerin | yos87: nano fileyouwanttoopen |
| 10:36.29 | Guerin | use nano |
| 10:36.32 | kevix | yos87: I can try to give you a short tutorial on vi... if you want. |
| 10:36.35 | dr1v3r | right i have started again from scratch and now i am gettying and error on dpkg -i |
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| 10:36.59 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: start reading from http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=296308&group_id=89685 and the doc folder you have installed |
| 10:37.08 | yos87 | kevix: if you have a web link it will be better for you |
| 10:37.10 | kevix | Guerin: could you give him a short tutorial on nano or would you just say RTFM x-) |
| 10:37.15 | dr1v3r | http://pastebin.com/538202 there is the link tyhat shows the problems |
| 10:37.15 | yos87 | guerin: I dn' |
| 10:37.17 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: An error? Now we're getting somewhere :-) |
| 10:37.23 | yos87 | guerin: t know nano |
| 10:37.30 | Guerin | kevix: all you need to know about nano is on the help bar at the bottom of the screen |
| 10:37.53 | dr1v3r | Ok i am a man i can admit when i am wrong, and i fooked it up before and done it wrong |
| 10:38.01 | kevix | Guerin: I forgot, its based on wordstar! |
| 10:38.02 | yos87 | guerin: graphic mode is not installed yet |
| 10:38.09 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: apt-get install libpcap0.8 |
| 10:38.11 | dr1v3r | sorry liable and nonix4 and everyone else that was helping |
| 10:38.12 | konfuzed | yos87 just type at the shell terminal you have open - nano newtxt |
| 10:38.12 | yos87 | guerin: I'm on text only |
| 10:38.22 | matej_ | i wanna install ati drivers now, but in repos i didnt see kernel source tree for k7 kernels (or any 2.6). Do i have to compile it? =/ |
| 10:38.23 | liable | yos87: nano is text |
| 10:38.23 | kevix | yos87: so open it. 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 10:38.26 | konfuzed | im too slow |
| 10:38.33 | konfuzed | thank god for theobromine |
| 10:39.03 | kevix | yos87: all the text editor are made for the console. Unix didn't have X back in the day! |
| 10:39.06 | yos87 | kevix: it open |
| 10:39.09 | konfuzed | oh much better |
| 10:39.18 | TBBle | Short tutorial on vi? Like vitutor? |
| 10:39.19 | nonix4 | dr1v3r: ... if that apt-get fails, then you are most likely not using sarge but something else instead... |
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| 10:39.27 | liable | dr1v3r: apt-get -f install |
| 10:39.33 | kevix | yos87: do you see a like that have 'deb http:/....' |
| 10:40.00 | yos87 | kevix: no, there is binary 1 to 14 |
| 10:40.05 | yos87 | kevix: no http |
| 10:40.43 | yos87 | kevix: all is r0a sarge |
| 10:41.02 | kevix | TBBle: yos87 said that apt-get is going to the internet, but his sources.list has no http;? how? |
| 10:41.06 | liable | yos87: you have a security http? |
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| 10:41.32 | kevix | yos87: oh wait, how about ftp? |
| 10:42.03 | dr1v3r | :D |
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| 10:42.07 | dr1v3r | its working |
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| 10:42.16 | dr1v3r | mna am sorry for the problems :( |
| 10:42.19 | yos87 | kevix: no ftp also, the differant beteen the line and the other only one number |
| 10:42.21 | kevix | dr1v3r: the magic of apt-get! |
| 10:43.00 | kevix | yos87: if you do 'apt-get update' what happends? |
| 10:43.10 | dr1v3r | i totally done it the wrong way earlier, i used dpkg -x instead of -i which is where it went wrong |
| 10:43.21 | wishkah | is there a tiny version of the linux kernel for small devices in the debian package tree? |
| 10:43.34 | yos87 | kevix: connecting to sucirity.debian.org |
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| 10:43.53 | liable | wishkah: the 2.4 is as small as it gets i spaose. |
| 10:44.15 | TBBle | I'd vote for looking harder at /etc/apt/sources.list... |
| 10:44.17 | yos87 | kevix: it stuck a little, and give an error , and it ttraing to connect again |
| 10:44.21 | wishkah | no, there are specific kernel options in the 2.6 kernel which will effectively cut the kernel size down by 30% |
| 10:44.29 | wishkah | I just don't want to compile that kenrel myself if there's a package |
| 10:44.32 | wishkah | but I can't find it |
| 10:44.40 | kevix | wishkah: I am using 2.4, did you want to create a smaller kernel? |
| 10:44.49 | wishkah | kevix: yes |
| 10:45.08 | kevix | TBBle: that's why I was confused. |
| 10:45.11 | liable | there isnt.. |
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| 10:45.40 | kevix | wishkah: there is kpkg but of corse it's take a day to compile! |
| 10:45.52 | liable | yos87: do you have internet at all? |
| 10:45.56 | TBBle | Maybe check /etc/apt/apt.conf or files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d for proxy settings? |
| 10:46.04 | liable | kevix: what? |
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| 10:46.17 | raf256 | Guerin: http://packages.debian.org/ is down, so I cant get libc from there |
| 10:46.20 | yos87 | liable: I have, but maybe no conegrations |
| 10:46.32 | liable | conegrations? |
| 10:46.41 | kevix | liable: to what are you referring? |
| 10:46.47 | yos87 | liabel: sorry, configerations |
| 10:46.51 | liable | kevix: a day to compile? |
| 10:47.28 | kevix | yos87: try 'apt-get install x-widow-system-core' |
| 10:47.40 | raf256 | wow debian community is so helpfull, up to 0 out of 783 people have 30 seconds to help me |
| 10:47.58 | kevix | liable: its a IIRC P I |
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| 10:48.09 | liable | kevix: oh. |
| 10:48.31 | yos87 | kevix: it's the same what I'm writing |
| 10:49.13 | kevix | yos87: could you paste your sources.list into #flood |
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| 10:49.48 | pabs3 | raf256: pdo.debian.net is a temporary replacement. anyway, you could get libc from ftp.debian.org |
| 10:49.48 | kevix | raf256: what do you mean 'get libc from there'? |
| 10:50.09 | raf256 | kevix: I need /usr/bin/ldd |
| 10:50.10 | yos87 | kevix: what is £flood |
| 10:50.20 | raf256 | I can't apt-get it because it needs ldd to install |
| 10:50.28 | sts9 | raf256: you should have it in your cache or you can use the -d or --download-only option in apt-get to just get the package without apt installing it. then you can mess with it with dpkg |
| 10:50.54 | raf256 | how to hand-unpack a .dpg same as with .tar? |
| 10:50.59 | sts9 | you dont have it in cache? |
| 10:51.19 | kevix | yos87: you are in #debian, #flood is where you can paste some text to show errors. |
| 10:51.20 | raf256 | yes |
| 10:51.39 | yos87 | kevix: I type apt-get install netselect, it pass, and it ask me for cd3 binary |
| 10:51.48 | abcd | 'ptitlouis' are not normal, i always baned from #debian-fr without doing somethings bad |
| 10:51.52 | kevix | raf256: dpkg -x |
| 10:51.56 | yos87 | kevix: why it's failling with that one? |
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| 10:52.08 | raf256 | libc6_2.3.5-12_i386.deb |
| 10:52.09 | abcd | i would like do in sort that hi can not ban me anymore |
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| 10:52.15 | kevix | yos87: if cd3 in the drive? |
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| 10:52.30 | yos87 | kevix: no it ask me to enter cd3 |
| 10:52.33 | yos87 | cd1 was there |
| 10:52.45 | kevix | raf256: show could you NOT have ldd? |
| 10:52.51 | yos87 | what is the netselect |
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| 10:53.09 | Suprano | hi |
| 10:53.26 | raf256 | abcd: [11:53] *** ptitlouis removes the ban on *!*@54C1038C.access.telenet.be. |
| 10:53.31 | abcd | I do nothings bad and he ban me always |
| 10:53.42 | kevix | yos87: apt-cache show netselect |
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| 10:53.45 | raf256 | and few others |
| 10:53.49 | Suprano | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.58 | liable | raf256: you can dpkg -x to unpack |
| 10:54.05 | abcd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.09 | liable | raf256: or ar -x |
| 10:54.27 | raf256 | ok |
| 10:54.29 | yos87 | kevix: OH, I did again, apt-get install x-window-system-core, it ask me for cd1 |
| 10:54.30 | yos87 | why |
| 10:54.40 | yos87 | kevix: why now it ask for cd |
| 10:54.40 | Suprano | The error when i connect from remote: |
| 10:54.41 | Suprano | D:\Programme\wamp\MySQL Server 5.0\bin>mysql -h 192.168.0.4 |
| 10:54.41 | Suprano | ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.4' (10061) |
| 10:54.41 | liable | put cd1 in.. |
| 10:55.12 | kevix | yos87: it is asking you for the cd where the software is located. |
| 10:55.13 | yos87 | liable: i will not let you down (^^) |
| 10:55.13 | liable | Suprano: err, because you are using windows?? |
| 10:55.19 | Suprano | no ?! |
| 10:55.21 | abcd | 'ptitlouis' abuse the #debian-fr and block all the good people, perso i find 'ptitlouis' a bad person, his staff ban me always from the channel there, also when i say nothings |
| 10:55.26 | mrverbos1 | is udev working with kernel 2.6.8 on debian sarge? |
| 10:55.45 | Suprano | liable, why should a win client not be able to connect ?!!?!?! |
| 10:55.48 | liable | mrverbos1: yes |
| 10:55.56 | abcd | Thats really not normal. I understand that hi ban some bad people, but not when we say nothings |
| 10:55.58 | mrverbos1 | liable: fine :) |
| 10:56.03 | liable | Suprano: no idea |
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| 10:56.08 | yos87 | thank you very much kevix for help |
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| 10:56.19 | yos87 | and thank you leable too |
| 10:56.19 | kevix | mrverbos1: it depends what you mean by 'working' x-) |
| 10:56.32 | liable | mrverbose: check bugs for udev, but it should be perfectly good for sarge |
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| 10:56.53 | pabs3 | abcd: the ban is from someone else - qemu-kikoolol |
| 10:57.06 | abcd | So i would like to talk with a responsable so that the situation change, On #debian-fr the most people think the same things about 'ptitlouis' he abuse others a prive his |
| 10:57.40 | abcd | pabs3: 'ptitlouis' has asked to someone to do it, she do no it, he ask to do the job on others, he is really not good |
| 10:57.54 | crypt_ex | I have ssh setup with private/public keys, and if I now run ssh-add and enter the passphrase, I can login to ssh with out password. However, if I reboot, I have to repeat the same steps. Can I miss this out and make it automated? |
| 10:57.57 | pabs3 | ah. |
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| 10:58.18 | pabs3 | abcd: try from a different ip, or use tor |
| 10:58.32 | abcd | I have all my logs files to prove that i have not say somethings stupid |
| 10:58.34 | kevix | abcd: perhaps you need to go up the debian foodchain to get this addressed? |
| 10:58.47 | azeem | abcd: about trouble with #debian-fr, maybe try #debian-devel-fr? |
| 10:58.49 | liable | abcd: #freenode |
| 10:58.49 | azeem | I think that exists |
| 10:58.49 | yos87 | buy |
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| 10:58.51 | abcd | The status is that no more computers here from my network can connect it |
| 10:59.07 | azeem | (if it is a social problem, that is) |
| 10:59.14 | abcd | no more computers can connect #debian-fr . Thats really not right !!! |
| 10:59.21 | liable | abcd: #freenode |
| 10:59.28 | abcd | * qemu-kikoolol sets ban on *!*@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be |
| 11:00.01 | abcd | so no more chanche there, im not good now, take a break and comme back again, i need it |
| 11:00.24 | kevix | pabs3: cute. route around the problem, that's the internet way! |
| 11:00.57 | abcd | Would someone say on the good person that #debian-fr must be survey and more on 'ptitlouis' PLEASE ! |
| 11:01.01 | liable | crypt_ex: yes, you need an agent, google it ( i dont trust em myself, but its certainly possible) |
| 11:01.08 | liable | abcd: #freenode |
| 11:01.09 | azeem | abcd: why did you get banned? |
| 11:01.15 | kevix | abcd: just think of those poor google.cn, they are really banned x-) |
| 11:01.47 | crypt_ex | liable, I know it is a little daunting the security threat of it all, but the automated ease of use just makes it worth it :) |
| 11:01.56 | liable | abcd: this *isnt* the place to whine about it. ask in #freenode |
| 11:02.05 | abcd | azeem: because he ban me directt im are from 'Belguim' and this chat is for 'French' people he say, he is rasist !!! |
| 11:02.09 | kevix | azeem: is there a wiki/ML/log for banning to refernce? |
| 11:02.20 | blondie | abcd: that's not racist |
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| 11:02.25 | abcd | liable: Right ;-) thx i do it after a break |
| 11:02.26 | crypt_ex | liable, I have ssh-agent setup in .bashrc profile, however from the documetation I am reading it requires you to execute ssh-add after :S Oh well, will research more. |
| 11:02.30 | azeem | abcd: I assume you talked in french? |
| 11:02.32 | liable | its way OT anyway |
| 11:02.33 | blondie | race != nationality |
| 11:02.58 | abcd | azeem: yes, but im from Belgium and not from France, and he not like it, thats not normal |
| 11:03.19 | liable | abcd: #freenode |
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| 11:03.29 | azeem | abcd: ok, I'll try to look into this, let's drop this in here |
| 11:03.32 | kevix | blondie: race =! nationality =! language |
| 11:03.38 | liable | did i mention #freenode yet? |
| 11:03.45 | abcd | ok, sorry people, and thx really |
| 11:03.50 | blondie | kevix: but what does =! mean? :P |
| 11:04.13 | kevix | blondie: s/=!/!=/ |
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| 11:04.25 | blondie | right |
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| 11:05.16 | kevix | azeem: is he saying #debian-fr is fr_FR and not fr_BE ? |
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| 11:06.23 | liable | crypt_ex: thers good stuff in debian-administration site iirc |
| 11:06.52 | liable | crypt_ex: google ssh no passphrase or somesuch |
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| 11:09.06 | crypt_ex | thanks mat |
| 11:09.07 | crypt_ex | mate |
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| 11:11.16 | azeem | abcd: apparently your ban is correct and due to your behaviour rather than your origin |
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| 11:11.54 | abcd | azeem: I have not understand |
| 11:12.08 | azeem | abcd: you have not been banned for being from Belgium |
| 11:12.09 | kevix | azeem: is there any transparent/open source for this info? |
| 11:12.09 | mha14 | is there a livecd 4 debian stable ? |
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| 11:12.47 | azeem | kevix: for which info? |
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| 11:13.02 | abcd | azeem: Ok i copy paste my logs, and show it to people that understand french, i paste it someelse ont the web, have you follow the entire discusion ?? and understand it ? |
| 11:13.05 | kevix | mha14: not from debian proper. |
| 11:13.20 | azeem | abcd: no, I asked somebody I know personally and trust |
| 11:13.33 | kevix | azeem: banning on #<...> |
| 11:13.42 | azeem | abcd: if posting logs from #debian-fr is allowed, feel free to do so |
| 11:14.05 | azeem | kevix: I think this is the discretion of the particular channel operators |
| 11:14.05 | abcd | azeem: hhhaa thats the problem, ok i make another debat on the web and hope that 'ptitlouis' loose his job ... |
| 11:14.12 | mha14 | kevix:10q .. |
| 11:14.42 | abcd | azeem: You have nothing understand and trust someone that not must be trust !!! |
| 11:15.03 | azeem | abcd: we are not going to discuss this here anymore |
| 11:15.05 | abcd | azeem: Sorry man, but that the reality |
| 11:15.15 | azeem | abcd: feel free to post the logs somewhere and /msg me the URL |
| 11:15.17 | liable | abcd: give it up dude.. |
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| 11:15.21 | abcd | azeem: ok i understand, we stop here before someone ban me again |
| 11:15.39 | kevix | mha14: how about beatix , mephis, ubuntu or knoppix? |
| 11:16.24 | mha14 | kevix: ubuntu is real slow , the other ones i didn't test .. |
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| 11:16.37 | liable | mha14: what do you need it for? |
| 11:16.38 | sts9 | abcd: there are some excellent forums out there. not sure what ones for french. but even at www.justlinux.com they are helpful enough I think they could look past your english and help. |
| 11:16.38 | kevix | azeem: so if someone is banned, it like 'enemy combatant' in the US. no trial, just verdict, no evidence. |
| 11:16.54 | kevix | mha14: all livecd are slow. |
| 11:17.49 | mha14 | kevix:no it has 2 many options and it takes allmost 10 mins 2 start it up (suse had 3 and ehad 5) . |
| 11:18.01 | azeem | kevix: as abcd, people are free to post the relevant logs and appeal to some authority |
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| 11:18.37 | mha14 | i need it for working where i cant install it .(like in kolleges) |
| 11:18.55 | kevix | mha14: as someone said, what did you want it to do? |
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| 11:19.11 | paveq | mha14: build your own livecd |
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| 11:19.20 | paveq | slax tools are good for that |
| 11:19.25 | paveq | just easy |
| 11:19.34 | kevix | mha14: yes any livecd will do it, but what do you want on the lived. |
| 11:19.45 | liable | mha14: if you want it for trying the real debian, unfortunately you cant. try any debian derived live cd. |
| 11:20.05 | kevix | paveq: that is the last option not first. re-invent the wheel.... |
| 11:20.08 | mha14 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:20.18 | liable | mha14: but do you nedd a gui or not? |
| 11:20.34 | paveq | kevix: uh? building livecd is easy |
| 11:20.46 | mha14 | paveq:i could use pop-corn for that(it has al i need i wish to use debian stuff) |
| 11:20.47 | paveq | kevix: just make install to chroot |
| 11:20.51 | liable | mha14: use knoppix/ubuntu then, a debian cd if it existed wouldnt be any quicker |
| 11:21.05 | liable | paveq: bullshit |
| 11:21.11 | kevix | paveq: as easy as downloadig and buring an iso? |
| 11:21.16 | bushito | isnt amarok on testing repositories?? =O |
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| 11:21.45 | mha14 | 10x for all i guess i check knopix (and it's spinoffs) |
| 11:22.02 | paveq | kevix: depends, if those livecds don't have everything needed |
| 11:22.28 | paveq | I built specialized rsync livecd |
| 11:22.44 | kevix | mha14: check distrowatch site! |
| 11:22.48 | paveq | just pop in the cd and it will rsync everything from other comp |
| 11:22.51 | paveq | :D |
| 11:23.19 | kevix | paveq: do you have a link where this script to make a livecd is? |
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| 11:23.34 | liable | paveq: sure, so build us a debian-live cd and host it. |
| 11:23.53 | paveq | kevix: search google for slax and livecd |
| 11:23.56 | kevix | liable: hehe |
| 11:24.01 | TBBle | Why not build an NFS-root liveCD, less copying about of stuff... |
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| 11:24.18 | paveq | liable: why not, might try that some time |
| 11:24.26 | liable | TBBle: you play with the wpasupp stuff yet? |
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| 11:25.04 | TBBle | I knocked up something simple, yeah. I also discovered there's an open bugreport on wpasupplicant to do the same thing, but I didn't look to see if the script's the same as mine. |
| 11:25.05 | kevix | TBBle: now only if those arm routers had cdrom drives... |
| 11:25.29 | TBBle | kevix: Is this a slug? USB-CDrom drive. ^_^ |
| 11:25.49 | kevix | TBBle: ah yes... |
| 11:26.02 | TBBle | wpa_cli includes a "daemonise and call this action script" function which makes it _really_ easy to implement. |
| 11:26.03 | liable | TBBle: ah, kelmo the madwifi maintainer was here afterwards and supplied the wpa supp link and a gentoo patch too.. |
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| 11:27.11 | TBBle | The only problem with my setup is is doesn't do the 'fallback to ifuping device if no SSID_$SSID stanza exists' because ifup doesn't appear to return an error code if you try to ifup a nonexistant entry. >_< |
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| 11:27.33 | TBBle | On the down side, I left the laptop at work, so I can't get to the script until Monday, if you want it. |
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| 11:28.18 | liable | like to see it when you have a chance. |
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| 11:29.54 | TBBle | OK. I might be out towards work tomorrow, otherwise Monday. |
| 11:29.57 | liable | TBBle: http://gonzui.gentoo.gr.jp/gonzui.cgi/markup/portage/net-wireless/wpa_supplicant/files/wpa_supplicant-0.5.0-wpa_cli.action |
| 11:31.01 | TBBle | liable: Yeah, my script was somewhat simpler... And I hadn't thought of that, but ifdown is prolly a bad choice.... For that matter, I think dhclient ups and downs interfaces. |
| 11:31.05 | kevix | how do I get openvt to create a simple 'login:'? openvt -l login ? |
| 11:31.55 | TBBle | I really just added such a script, and edited the /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant script to start wpa_cli after wpasupplicant. |
| 11:32.16 | liable | TBBle: like to see it. you tried it? |
| 11:33.28 | liable | TBBle: work it out and you'll be famous! (of sorts) :) |
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| 11:34.09 | liable | dhclent downs ifaces? |
| 11:34.23 | TBBle | liable: Yeah, it's been working for me all week. If I didn't have to ocasionally ifdown, /etc/init.d/wpasuppliant stop, rmmod bcm43xx, rmmod 80211 rmmod rate_control, then modprobe 80211, modprobe bcm43xx and /etc/init.d/wpasupplicat start, it'd be good. |
| 11:34.42 | TBBle | liable: I thought I read in a different discussion that dhclient downs and ups interfaces when it starts... |
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| 11:35.00 | TBBle | It was causing the bcm43xx developers problems, 'cause they kept losing their association when that happened. |
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| 11:35.45 | TBBle | It might be what's causing me to have to unload and reload the stack, now I think about it... I'll try just ip-link-set-up-ing the interface next time. |
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| 11:36.34 | liable | ok, like to see it. |
| 11:36.47 | kevix | TBBle: rene just made an upload of that driver. |
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| 11:37.27 | liable | TBBle: are you still on 2.4? why rmmod? |
| 11:38.11 | mha14 | what is difference between sarge and stable ? |
| 11:38.19 | liable | nothing |
| 11:38.29 | TBBle | liable: Uh, no, 2.6... Why not rmmod? |
| 11:38.38 | liable | !insmod |
| 11:38.39 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 11:38.43 | kevix | mha14: sarge is a specific releae of stable |
| 11:38.57 | TBBle | kevix: Excellent. I was poking him about that last week. |
| 11:39.03 | Shadowcat | mobprobe liable |
| 11:39.04 | liable | TBBle: modprbe -r (same reason, dependancies..) |
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| 11:39.10 | nonix4 | liable: concerning Suprano's question half an hour ago: remote hosts usually cannot connect to non-existent services - most sql servers allow local connections only by default, thus expecting remote connections (even if not firewall-blocked) to work out of the box is rather silly :-) |
| 11:39.11 | TBBle | Uh, what's wrong with insmod under 2.6? |
| 11:39.21 | liable | Shadowcat: ? |
| 11:39.31 | liable | TBBle: read the factoid.. |
| 11:39.32 | Shadowcat | !tell TBBle about read |
| 11:39.41 | TBBle | liable: That doesn't say what's wrong with it, just not to use it. |
| 11:39.45 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 11:39.46 | mha14 | kevix & liable 10q |
| 11:39.47 | Shadowcat | !read |
| 11:39.47 | dpkg | read is, like, what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 11:39.53 | Shadowcat | ok...... who broke the bot |
| 11:40.05 | ootput | that " , like, " addition always gets to me |
| 11:40.15 | ootput | was dpkg coded by some ditsy teenage girl? |
| 11:40.15 | kevix | mha14: if you have 'sarge' in always refeer to the 2005 stable release. if you have 'stable' in your sources.list, when a new stable is released, you upgrade to it! |
| 11:40.26 | liable | TBBle: sure, so load modules one by one, instead of using the deps file, be oldskool |
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| 11:40.35 | mha14 | kevix: oo .. |
| 11:40.56 | mha14 | kevix:so i should use stable right ? |
| 11:41.05 | TBBle | liable: Well, if I'm loading a module that I've just built and don't want in my /lib/modules tree yet because it's going to BUG my kernel, and I don't want it to do so _on every boot_ then insmod roxors in ways that modprobe can't comprehend. |
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| 11:41.46 | mha14 | kevix: s00ry 4 the newb question im debian wannabe .. |
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| 11:41.54 | liable | TBBle: eh? but that module needs the oher modules anyway to work.. |
| 11:41.55 | TBBle | I'll have to try modprobe -r sometime, that could be quicker tham rmmoding the various modules. Although the risk is that if rate_control comes out before bcm43xx, it'll BUG. (It used to, but I think the bcm43xx guys fixed it) |
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| 11:42.18 | TBBle | liable: Yeah, I modprobe 80211, which _is_ in the /lib/modules tree, then insmod the bcm43xx.ko I know is gonna BUG. |
| 11:42.40 | kevix | mha14: if you installed 'woody' afew years ago, and had 'stable' in your list, when sarge was released, your system would upgrade to sarge. but if you had 'woody' in the list, no upgrade would occur. |
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| 11:43.06 | TBBle | liable: This means that I can leave the non-BUGging bcm43xx.ko in /lib/modules safely, so on reboot the wireless works again, no fuss, and I can come on IRC and give someone my kernel backtrace to stress about. |
| 11:43.07 | mha14 | kevix: i understood it .. |
| 11:43.13 | liable | TBBle: but what? you have two seperate cards or what? |
| 11:43.25 | TBBle | liable: Uh? No... |
| 11:43.26 | liable | right |
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| 11:43.33 | kevix | mha14: just making sure. no problem.... cheers! |
| 11:43.43 | Shadowcat | nothing wrong with bcm43 |
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| 11:43.57 | liable | TBBle: sure, if its debug shits, fine. |
| 11:44.16 | dr1v3r | guys justa quicky if i was to setup a website on my box where would i put the index.html files? and is there anything specific that has to be done to allow the sites to be viewed? |
| 11:44.18 | TBBle | Shadowcat: Yeah, the bug in question is in the dscape stack. But if it doesn't modprobe that bcm43xx on boot, then no BUG for me. |
| 11:44.32 | liable | TBBle: if your using a different module tree bit, then yeah, but otherwise.. |
| 11:45.06 | kevix | dr1v3r: /var/www ? |
| 11:45.06 | mha14 | kevix: 10q anyway .. |
| 11:45.12 | mha14 | brb |
| 11:45.13 | liable | !woody -> sarge |
| 11:45.14 | TBBle | liable: That's why I'm worried a little by the factoid's use of "NEVER", with captials. I mean, it sounds like they think I'm gonna use insmod.modutils or something. |
| 11:45.18 | dr1v3r | kewl, thats where i thought but just making sure |
| 11:45.19 | dr1v3r | thnax |
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| 11:46.01 | liable | TBBle: well, i spose never is a bit harsh, and to tell the truth i dunno why it says that. |
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| 11:46.28 | kevix | nonix4: read the release notes for sarge on the debian.org site. |
| 11:46.51 | TBBle | liable: Presumably because it predates module-init-tools? Although the modutils insmod from 2.4 would just complain when I tried to use it on 2.6. |
| 11:47.10 | kevix | dr1v3r: there is always /usr/share/doc/apache for more info |
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| 11:47.18 | nonix4 | kevix: well I meant more from the security side of things - want to verify that the host has not really been tampered with |
| 11:47.24 | dr1v3r | ahhh oky thnak you :D |
| 11:47.47 | liable | azeem: p.d.o is up it seems, mind fixing /topic? |
| 11:48.08 | kevix | nonix4: if you wanted to do intergrity checks, youre supposed to do those before you get on the net x-) |
| 11:48.10 | TBBle | liable: Not for me... |
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| 11:48.20 | azeem | liable: only the static pages still |
| 11:48.32 | azeem | liable: packages.debian.org/libc6 still doesn't work |
| 11:48.42 | azeem | packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libc6 does |
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| 11:48.49 | JohnCC | hi all, I'm trying to copy data from a hdd to a usb external drive (about 50 gigs), I'm using "cp -r" and its REALLY slow (~100 megs a minute). Any suggestions on a faster way to do this? would I be better to plug the external into a machine with a usb 2.0 and copy the data across the network (then onto the drive)? thanks! |
| 11:49.11 | liable | yes, it seems i am full of shit.. |
| 11:49.17 | liable | :) |
| 11:49.26 | kevix | azeem: why not use packages.ubuntu.com for the same info? |
| 11:49.38 | azeem | kevix: because it isn't the same info |
| 11:49.45 | dusty- | Which apt-get repos have the java-package in it? In running sid, only have two lines in apt-get sources.list? |
| 11:49.52 | liable | kevix: that should be obvious.. |
| 11:50.02 | Jhair | JohnCC: Have you tried to compress the data first? |
| 11:50.03 | Berge | JohnCC: If your USB is 1.1, it'll be faster to copy over network to a box with USB 2.0 (assuming you've got 100Mbit network). |
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| 11:50.33 | Jhair | JohnCC: USB is slow anyway (for mass transfers) |
| 11:50.47 | JohnCC | Jhair: I haven't... might be worth doing... there's enough space on the target drive, but you're right, compressing and decompressing it would speed things up |
| 11:50.51 | TBBle | dusty-: Java-package is in the contrib distribution hosted on the Debian archive servers. |
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| 11:51.34 | JohnCC | Jhair: yeah, but its what I have :-) I'm trying to clear off a drive so I can re-install debian on it directly (currently its vfat and was just used to hold data, I'm going to turn it into my main drive) |
| 11:51.42 | dusty- | TBBle, What lines do i need to add to sources.list all i have in there are: |
| 11:51.43 | dusty- | deb http://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/ unstable main |
| 11:51.43 | dusty- | deb-src http://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/ unstable main |
| 11:52.01 | JohnCC | Berge: how much faster do you figure? I guess I'm looking at about 5 hours right now, would going across the network drop the time to less then an hour? |
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| 11:52.11 | TBBle | dusty-: The things after "unstable" are the sections. You've got "main" there, you want to add "contrib" after it. |
| 11:52.22 | futlib | hi, I exchanged my motherboard, and now I cannot start X anymore |
| 11:52.24 | dusty- | TBBle, are there any other i should put in there? |
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| 11:52.49 | dusty- | also TBBle do i add contrib to both lines or just to one? |
| 11:53.01 | futlib | it says "missing output drivers" |
| 11:53.04 | TBBle | dusty-: You could add non-free, if you're willing to risk running non-free software. In fact, stuff in contrib is DFSG-free, but relies upon non-free stuff in some way or other. So read the copyright files. |
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| 11:53.22 | TBBle | dusty-: Both, if you think you're ever going to want to apt-get source something from contrib |
| 11:53.24 | dusty- | ok i'll add non free to |
| 11:53.44 | matej_ | which command removes program which you selected WITH ALL DEPENCIES? |
| 11:53.45 | Berge | JohnCC: I figure you'd be able to push at least 50 or 60 Mbit, but it all depends. |
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| 11:54.46 | Berge | JohnCC: I'd do it, to put it that way (-: Use rsync to copy, so you don't lose what's been copied until now. |
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| 11:55.57 | sts9 | whoops. haha. watch me restart freenode |
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| 11:56.10 | JohnCC | Berge: ok, good advice, thanks! I *am* worried about it dieing half way through the copy :-) |
| 11:56.56 | Berge | JohnCC: With rsync, you can continue where you left. |
| 11:57.03 | Berge | JohnCC: rsync is your friend (-: |
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| 11:58.36 | hume | hi... i got problems with my sound, running testing and alsa. I run alsaconf and it says my system is ready, but then aumix cannot open mixer, and there are no /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer. Did i miss something, or what to do? |
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| 12:00.31 | kevix | hume: have you tried alsaconf ? |
| 12:00.42 | kevix | hume: never mind... |
| 12:00.51 | Berge | hume: /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are OSS-stuff. |
| 12:00.59 | Berge | hume: User alsamixer instead of aumix. |
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| 12:01.15 | kevix | hume: alsamixer ? |
| 12:01.17 | Berge | hume: Or, of course, modprobe snd_pcm_oss (or something like that) and use OSS-emulation. |
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| 12:01.48 | hume | Berge, ok, so alsa won't need them. My concrete problem is transcriber, a program that tries to write to /dev/sound/dsp - so how do I handle that? |
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| 12:02.47 | Berge | hume: You use OSS emulation, I figure. Never heard of /dev/sound/dsp, though. In my head, the dsp devices are /dev/dsp.. |
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| 12:02.55 | hume | Berge, wow.... snd_pcm_oss made it..:) |
| 12:03.03 | Berge | hume: Magic, isn't it? (-: |
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| 12:03.56 | hume | Berge, well...:)..when you don't have any idea of where to look, it feels like magic...:) If you're lost in space, a solid rock is magical... |
| 12:04.15 | TBBle | /dev/sound/dsp is the DevFS version of /dev/dsp |
| 12:04.33 | Berge | hume: Well, good point (-: |
| 12:04.39 | Berge | TBBle: Ah, of course. |
| 12:04.45 | ootput | hi guys, are there any mirrors to news.gmane.org? |
| 12:05.21 | hume | actually, i still have no /dev/sound/dsp, but a /dev/dsp, so problably transcriber searched for both... but only reported on one |
| 12:05.23 | liable | !htfswk |
| 12:05.23 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 12:05.36 | jewel | oi |
| 12:05.45 | jewel | that's a bit impolite for a bot on an official channel |
| 12:05.54 | resiak | This isn't an official channel |
| 12:05.55 | liable | indeed |
| 12:06.00 | TBBle | jewel: That was relatively polite, for dpkg. |
| 12:06.00 | liable | !bad bot |
| 12:06.01 | dpkg | :( |
| 12:06.04 | jewel | arguable |
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| 12:06.09 | TBBle | Hehehe |
| 12:06.15 | Berge | hume: Good. You can probably tell your application where to look for the dsp-device as well. |
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| 12:06.20 | resiak | There were _very_ big arguments about it |
| 12:06.22 | TBBle | Hang on, if this isn't an official channel, shouldn't it be ##debian? |
| 12:06.28 | Usiu | HI how to print two pages on one plz help |
| 12:06.34 | resiak | TBBle: That was part of the argument. ##debian exists, incidentally. |
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| 12:06.48 | TBBle | resiak: Ouch... |
| 12:06.54 | liable | #debian is certainly not official, try debian.org.. |
| 12:06.54 | jewel | how is a casual user to know it's not an official channel? |
| 12:07.03 | liable | ^^ |
| 12:07.08 | Berge | Usiu: Print one page, turn page, insert into printer, print next page. |
| 12:07.24 | Usiu | Berge, two on one page not one on one |
| 12:07.30 | liable | jewel: because you read http://www.debian.org |
| 12:07.32 | TBBle | jewel: I'd work on the premise anything not marked "official channel of blah" on the relevant website isn't official. |
| 12:07.36 | resiak | jewel: The Debian developers started regulating it a few months back, while maintaining that it's unofficial. There's been a flamewar about this already |
| 12:07.37 | hume | Usiu, i use kprinter, there is a setting for it there |
| 12:07.46 | Usiu | hume, gnome |
| 12:07.49 | jewel | yeah I read some of the emails |
| 12:07.53 | Berge | Usiu: Yep, that would be two on one. On opposite sides, though. |
| 12:07.54 | Berge | (-: |
| 12:07.59 | jewel | I think it's bad for debian's image |
| 12:08.01 | liable | jewel: so wtf are you saying that? |
| 12:08.08 | Alam_Debian | date show the time and date, what set them? |
| 12:08.09 | hume | Usiu, you mean two pages on one page, smaller, or printing on both sides? |
| 12:08.17 | Usiu | hume, smaller |
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| 12:08.23 | resiak | jewel: Feel free to ask ##debian for help. |
| 12:08.23 | kevix | Usiu: I use a2ps |
| 12:08.32 | resiak | (except there are (IIRC) four people there) |
| 12:08.41 | Usiu | hume, I need to learn to egzams, but its a presentation I dont want to waste paper.. |
| 12:08.47 | TBBle | Five now. |
| 12:08.51 | dusty- | hrm |
| 12:09.03 | hume | Usiu, dont know about Gnome, but even with Kprinter that often simply does not work for me. Printing both sides work, also reducing amount or paper |
| 12:09.05 | dusty- | what was the alsa-conf thing to get sound working again (my memory's gone terrible) |
| 12:09.12 | jewel | I don't need any help, I'm just trolling |
| 12:09.21 | liable | jewel: or oftc and ask in #debian-devel, i am sure they will answer all your questions.. |
| 12:09.36 | liable | jewel: so fuck off then.. :P |
| 12:09.38 | resiak | Oh yes, because -devel never just hurls abuse either :) |
| 12:09.38 | Berge | Alam_Debian: If you've got an Internet connection, ntpdate will sync your clock pretty accurate. |
| 12:09.42 | Usiu | hume, yea.. setting for both pages on one in gpdf also didnt work for me... thats why Iam asking;( |
| 12:09.42 | blaamann_home | How do I check what kind of respons my apache server gives me, the headers, when I get a page ? Can I use wget for that ? |
| 12:09.46 | kevix | Alam_Debian: man date |
| 12:09.51 | resiak | blaamann_home: man wget will tell you :) |
| 12:10.08 | hume | Usiu, what printing system do you use then? |
| 12:10.10 | Alam_Debian | ... |
| 12:10.14 | Usiu | hume, cups |
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| 12:10.37 | kevix | Usiu: a2ps |
| 12:10.47 | Berge | blaamann_home: Look at wget --help or man wgetn |
| 12:10.47 | Usiu | kevix, can It do that ? |
| 12:10.52 | Usiu | kevix, how to use it ? |
| 12:10.54 | Berge | blaamann_home: Ehm, man wget, of course. |
| 12:11.17 | kevix | Usiu: a2ps -2 for 2 pages on 1, a2ps -4 for pages on 1 |
| 12:11.30 | Berge | blaamann_home: Or, you could always use netcat or telnet and play HTTP-client. |
| 12:11.33 | Usiu | kevix, ok but I have pdf |
| 12:11.55 | TBBle | Usiu: Make it a ps somehow, then psnup it? |
| 12:12.01 | TBBle | Usiu: Oh wai,t that's not what you're doing. |
| 12:12.09 | kevix | Usiu: uhhh. I guess first pdf2ps, then use the ps with a2ps ? |
| 12:12.40 | kevix | TBBle: a2ps uses psnup ? |
| 12:13.01 | TBBle | Does it? Dunno. I assumed a2ps was ascii to ps... |
| 12:13.19 | kevix | TBBle: 'anything'2ps |
| 12:13.40 | TBBle | Oooooh. I'll withdraw from this conversation as being unqualified to continue. ^_^ |
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| 12:14.21 | kevix | TBBle: x-) |
| 12:14.47 | TBBle | Hmm. That should have been "Ohhhhh" in the end. |
| 12:14.57 | TBBle | s/in the end/at the beginning/. |
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| 12:15.04 | Usiu | kevix, damn it pdf2ps core dump ;( |
| 12:15.11 | Usiu | kevix, debian sid |
| 12:15.30 | Usiu | kevix, gs-common 0.3.9 |
| 12:15.40 | kevix | Usiu: do you have the orignal non-pdf document? |
| 12:15.58 | hume | kevix, i try to use a2ps with a pdf-file, but it says 0 pages on 0 sheets sent to printer, which sounds less than satisfying.....? |
| 12:16.07 | Usiu | kevix, No its from my university.. |
| 12:16.37 | mynullvoid | I got problem with my postfix, the FROM is funny: From: Mohd@xtenbit.com, Hamim@xtenbit.com, Talib@xtenbit.com <---- where xtenbit.com is my domain name; but why it appear such? |
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| 12:16.46 | dusty- | Anyone know how to fix locale settings in debian? |
| 12:16.52 | kevix | Usiu: yea, as hume said, that may work 'a2ps -2 mydocument.pdf' |
| 12:16.55 | dusty- | I keep getting errors regarding locales when i run commands? |
| 12:16.58 | theD3viL | dusty-, sid? |
| 12:17.01 | dusty- | yes |
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| 12:17.07 | kevix | dusty-: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:17.16 | theD3viL | dusty-, i knew it.. apt-get install locales localeconf |
| 12:17.18 | hume | kevix, but it didnt work... |
| 12:17.26 | dusty- | theD3viL, thanks |
| 12:17.32 | theD3viL | dusty-, np |
| 12:17.44 | dusty- | linux without apt-get.. |
| 12:17.50 | dusty- | I don't know how I would survive. |
| 12:17.51 | dusty- | :) |
| 12:17.52 | JohnCC | Berge: my cp died, restarting with rsync :-) thanks again |
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| 12:18.13 | theD3viL | dusty-, with emerge / pacman / pkg_add .. or something :P |
| 12:18.25 | dusty- | pkg_add isn't as good |
| 12:18.31 | dusty- | I havn't tried emerge/pacman |
| 12:18.36 | Usiu | kevix, pdf with a2ps doesnt work |
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| 12:19.15 | Berge | JohnCC: Don't mention it (-: |
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| 12:19.36 | kevix | Usiu: hume: it worked for me ?! |
| 12:19.42 | Usiu | kevix, there is texlive in experimental but it breaks everthing.. and I cant print anything with it... gnome-gv doesnt work.. so I use tetex-bin |
| 12:20.10 | Usiu | kevix, it uses pdf2ps |
| 12:20.14 | hume | kevix, i guess a problem here is that a2ps sends job to lpr, but i do not use lpr, use cups and kprinter |
| 12:20.17 | Usiu | kevix, and this core dumps |
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| 12:21.01 | kevix | hume: all I can say on my sid system it works. YMMV! |
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| 12:21.11 | hume | kevix, ymmv? |
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| 12:21.32 | kevix | Usiu: dont know what to do other than as somenoe else said, psnup? |
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| 12:21.48 | kevix | hume: Your Millage May Very |
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| 12:22.18 | hume | Usiu, seems my kpdf and kprinter actually does print two pages on one today..:) you can use kprinter in gnome too, if you want |
| 12:22.28 | hume | kevix, :) indeed it does |
| 12:22.54 | bayu | hai cindy |
| 12:23.49 | theD3viL | Why i dont have prefernences file in ~/.icewm/? Which DM for login for icewm? |
| 12:24.02 | azeem | bayu: do you know cindy? |
| 12:24.16 | kevix | Usiu: the only thing I can think of is a bit hackish, using pdftotext and redo the document if possible? |
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| 12:24.57 | Usiu | kevix, there is pdftops I am trying |
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| 12:25.37 | Usiu | kevix, ok it works.. but how to rotate them not vertical |
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| 12:29.16 | kevix | Usiu: man a2ps. -r for landscape -R for portraint |
| 12:29.27 | tyler_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.38 | war92 | Has anyone actually tried to install Sarge? the ISOs are totally broken (3.1_r1), I still use my Sarge 3.0rc2 disc, even then it has massive problems after you reboot causing you to do the APT::ForceBreak=yes and then install e2fsprogs, what a mess+nightmare |
| 12:30.05 | kevix | theD3viL: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 12:30.29 | kevix | tyler_: you realize this is #debian, not #slack |
| 12:30.31 | hume | Usiu, how do you do it with pdftops? |
| 12:30.41 | theD3viL | kevix, no such file :P .. |
| 12:30.42 | Berge | war92: I |
| 12:30.53 | war92 | Berge: you get it to work? or you use the rc2 one too? |
| 12:31.03 | Berge | war92: Ups. I've actually tried to install Sarge multiple times.. |
| 12:31.12 | Berge | war92: Dunno. I always use netinst-CD's. |
| 12:31.19 | war92 | Berge: same |
| 12:31.20 | kevix | theD3viL: do you have xdm,gdm,kdm or wdm installed ? |
| 12:31.25 | war92 | Berge: fails for you too? |
| 12:31.27 | theD3viL | kevix, wm |
| 12:31.30 | Berge | war92: Nope, works like a charm. |
| 12:31.31 | theD3viL | kevix, wdm |
| 12:31.35 | war92 | kevix: whoa, wdm? never heard of it |
| 12:31.37 | Usiu | hume, pdftops *2.pdf w2.ps | a2ps -r -2 |
| 12:31.39 | war92 | Berge: wow, amzing |
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| 12:31.49 | Berge | war92: Haven't tried netinst images the last couple of months, though. |
| 12:31.51 | theD3viL | war92, wdm is good |
| 12:32.03 | war92 | theD3viL: kdm has a bug in sarge |
| 12:32.08 | war92 | theD3viL: it basically diables your mouse |
| 12:32.11 | kevix | them try as root: dpkg-reconfigure wdm |
| 12:32.13 | war92 | theD3viL: gdm does not have the bug |
| 12:32.14 | Usiu | hume, hm now 0 pages.. wait |
| 12:32.16 | Berge | war92: We've got tftp boot and netinst. CD's are lame (-: |
| 12:32.21 | war92 | theD3viL: Ill have to check it out sometime (wdm) heh |
| 12:32.23 | war92 | Berge: nice nice |
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| 12:32.37 | theD3viL | war92, :P .. using gnome then ? |
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| 12:32.55 | Berge | war92: But any official build of the CD's should work. Anything else is a bug, and should be reported as such.. |
| 12:33.01 | war92 | theD3viL: using KDE w/GDM |
| 12:33.11 | war92 | Berge: I am using the official cds |
| 12:33.19 | war92 | Berge: I tried on 4 different computers |
| 12:33.20 | theD3viL | war92, aha..cool. |
| 12:33.21 | Berge | war92: Where does it fail? And how? |
| 12:33.24 | war92 | Berge: never installs right, missing kernels |
| 12:33.26 | war92 | Berge: etc |
| 12:33.29 | chealer_ | war92: 3.0 isn't Sarge |
| 12:33.34 | war92 | I meant 3.1 |
| 12:33.34 | theD3viL | someone know why i dont have prefernces file in icewm? |
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| 12:33.48 | war92 | debian-31r1-i386-netinst.iso MD5SUMS |
| 12:33.56 | war92 | that disc will not install debian on any of the boxes I tried it on |
| 12:34.01 | Berge | war92: Sounds odd. Sure the CD's are in order? Tried to check md5sums and reburn it? |
| 12:34.07 | war92 | yep |
| 12:34.12 | war92 | debian.sarge.3.0rc2.iso <- this one works fine though |
| 12:34.16 | kevix | theD3viL: find /etc/|grep icewm |
| 12:34.51 | theD3viL | kevix, wow..didnt know that icewm pref file is in X11 directory. TNX alot ! |
| 12:34.52 | Usiu | hume, now it works pdftops wyklad\ 2*.pdf ; a2ps -r -2 wyklad\ 2*.ps |
| 12:35.04 | war92 | Berge: its odd, because i've tried many different types of hardware |
| 12:35.05 | kevix | theD3viL: find is your friend! |
| 12:35.08 | war92 | Berge: duron, p3, p4 |
| 12:35.16 | war92 | Berge: for the 3.1_r1 rls, |
| 12:35.23 | yanu | error compiling 2.6.16-rc2 : http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/2806 |
| 12:35.25 | yanu | does someone have an clue? |
| 12:35.37 | raf256 | what the fuck? |
| 12:35.41 | raf256 | I reinstalled binutils |
| 12:35.42 | sts9 | yeah Ive had some wierd problems on one of my machines. couldnt get woody to install. hangs on hardware. then tried sarge CD - same problem. then found a SargeRC2 - intalled without a hitch *shrugs*. then just upgraded |
| 12:35.51 | war92 | sts9: yup |
| 12:35.55 | war92 | sts9: the rc2 = the goo one |
| 12:35.57 | raf256 | yet still I dont have /usr/bin/ar, which binutils should provide... wtf?? |
| 12:36.00 | war92 | sts9: the other cds never work |
| 12:36.26 | war92 | raf256: use 2.6.15.2 (latest) |
| 12:36.35 | raf256 | war92: huh? |
| 12:36.43 | kevix | raf256: are you on i386 ? |
| 12:36.44 | bushito | how can i make alsa dont make my sound card busy?? |
| 12:36.47 | raf256 | kevix: yes |
| 12:36.51 | sts9 | haha. try with linux26 at grub? |
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| 12:37.17 | chealer_ | war92: that ISO is known to be broken. you want debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 12:37.40 | war92 | chealer_: wait a minute |
| 12:37.41 | raf256 | kevix: and? |
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| 12:37.50 | war92 | chealer_: that also happened with 3.1r01 -> 3.1r01a |
| 12:37.52 | MrNaz | when running the debian 3.1r1 install, the "starting linux-ata" and "loading partitioner" phases take 15-20 minutes... is this normal? |
| 12:38.38 | war92 | chealer_: right? you are saying there is a 3.1r1a? |
| 12:38.39 | kevix | raf256: maybe you have a messedup repository. it should be in binutils! |
| 12:38.39 | raf256 | kevix: I know! |
| 12:38.39 | raf256 | wtf! |
| 12:38.43 | chealer_ | war92: yes. and I don't know of any 3.1r01* |
| 12:38.45 | kevix | raf256: do you have any livecd to copy it from? |
| 12:38.49 | azeem | raf256: which version? |
| 12:38.51 | war92 | chealer_: it was the first messup |
| 12:39.01 | war92 | chealer_: remember? when sarge was first rlsd, the sources.list was wrong |
| 12:39.04 | azeem | raf256: run dpkg -c on the binutils .deb |
| 12:39.06 | war92 | chealer_: so apparently 2 messups k |
| 12:39.23 | raf256 | azeem: sid |
| 12:39.40 | war92 | chealer_: checking the mirror now |
| 12:39.55 | chealer_ | war92: the messup of 3.1r0 CDs explains the 3.1r0a CDs, I still don't know of any 3.1r01 |
| 12:40.11 | resiak | 3.1r1 is out |
| 12:40.12 | kevix | raf256: please remember that those devels get paid nada-zip-zero for their hard work! |
| 12:40.26 | war92 | Debian-3.1_r1 <- is the one with the problem |
| 12:40.46 | raf256 | kevix: but still |
| 12:40.46 | war92 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:40.47 | MrNaz | debian 3.1r1 has a problem?! |
| 12:40.48 | war92 | he is right |
| 12:40.50 | war92 | Yes. |
| 12:40.55 | war92 | that is why 3.1r1a is out |
| 12:41.01 | war92 | chealer_: thanks for that info. |
| 12:41.12 | MrNaz | ffs i downloaded 3.1r1 like an hour ago |
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| 12:41.18 | chealer_ | MrNaz: only the netinsts of that one |
| 12:41.26 | chealer_ | war92: no problem |
| 12:41.33 | raf256 | dpkg -c confirs that it conatins theos files |
| 12:41.34 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 9882 2003-2-08 20:26:89 ./usr/share/confirs that it conatins theos files/pr0n/jenna_jamison.png |
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| 12:41.45 | raf256 | perhaps I should use dpkg -i, perhaps the problem is in synaptic or apt-get |
| 12:41.48 | jonas3 | Debian for president ! |
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| 12:41.57 | raf256 | dpkg: =) |
| 12:41.57 | azeem | raf256: what does dpkg -l binutils say? |
| 12:42.08 | raf256 | dpkg yo moooma |
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| 12:42.09 | raf256 | dpkg yo mooma |
| 12:42.10 | azeem | raf256: and dpkg -L binutils | grep ar |
| 12:42.15 | raf256 | dpkg yo momma |
| 12:42.16 | dpkg | yo momma has an afro with a chin strap! |
| 12:42.21 | azeem | raf256: pleas stop that |
| 12:42.55 | raf256 | binutils 2.16.1cvs20060117-1 The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities |
| 12:43.03 | raf256 | but I manually deleted ar |
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| 12:43.22 | raf256 | I should had made backup =) but I thought simple apt-get install --reinstall binutils will restore |
| 12:43.27 | jonas3 | Im having problem after a dist-upgrade on a laptop I have. Now Im unable to start an X-server and when I try and install x-window-system I get pkg-conflict. Have tried to build-dep and so on without luck. Any ideas ? |
| 12:43.31 | azeem | raf256: eh |
| 12:43.49 | raf256 | so I will unpack by hand |
| 12:44.09 | chealer_ | jonas3: what do you mean by pkg-conflict? |
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| 12:46.05 | raf256 | dpkg -i failed |
| 12:46.17 | johaBBa | lol |
| 12:46.33 | raf256 | !think Im a sissy |
| 12:46.43 | raf256 | I officate hate this boty |
| 12:46.57 | raf256 | anyway, dpkg -i failed as well - still no file |
| 12:47.03 | MrNaz | when running the debian 3.1r1 install, the "starting linux-ata" and "loading partitioner" phases take 15-20 minutes each... is this normal? |
| 12:47.17 | azeem | raf256: what does dpkg -L binutils | grep ar say? |
| 12:47.24 | raf256 | Setting up binutils (2.16.1cvs20060117-1) ... |
| 12:47.26 | raf256 | ldconfig: /usr/local/lib/libboost_date_time-mgw-1_33_1.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 12:47.27 | jonas3 | Certain packages needed for the xserver-xorg can not be installed |
| 12:47.33 | raf256 | perhaps this is the reason? |
| 12:47.42 | azeem | raf256: no, I don't think so |
| 12:48.09 | raf256 | let me move thoes files out of the way |
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| 12:48.47 | azeem | raf256: how about you answer my question instead of bashing random developers? |
| 12:48.48 | kevix | raf256: is that the 'mgw' as in the windows version ? |
| 12:48.58 | chealer_ | jonas3: which ones? |
| 12:49.05 | chealer_ | MrNaz: unlikely |
| 12:49.35 | raf256 | kevix: thoes are cross compiled libs I suppose |
| 12:49.48 | CreateDistro_LIN | Learn me linux plzzz |
| 12:49.56 | raf256 | kevix: I managed to partially cross build boost, but is a pain in the ass |
| 12:49.58 | azeem | CreateDistro_LIN: read a book |
| 12:50.01 | kevix | CreateDistro_LIN: I want a slice too! |
| 12:50.04 | raf256 | !spank CreateDistro_LIN |
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| 12:50.16 | azeem | raf256: please stop abusing the bot |
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| 12:50.32 | iostream | Hi. How can find out what block-size is used on a given filesystem? |
| 12:50.41 | raf256 | azeem: j/k ok |
| 12:50.53 | raf256 | iostream: df -h perhaps or just df |
| 12:51.23 | war92 | When I type wget http://some long-ass url in an xterm, it does not go to the second line, instead it looks kind of bad, anyone know which switch to use to fix this? |
| 12:51.26 | kevix | iostream: isn't it 512k by default |
| 12:51.29 | war92 | (pasting the URL that is) |
| 12:51.31 | azeem | iostream: tune2fs -l /dev/<partition> works for ext2/ext3 |
| 12:51.39 | iostream | raf256: If it says 1K-blocks, would that mean that the block-size is 1 K bit or byte? |
| 12:51.51 | azeem | war92: second line? |
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| 12:52.10 | iostream | kevix: mkfs.ext3 says it varies according to the disk size.. or something like that... It chooses a size itself.. |
| 12:52.12 | azeem | war92: if there are weird characters in the URL, try quoting it with "<url>" |
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| 12:52.34 | azeem | iostream: is it important? |
| 12:52.36 | kevix | iostream: sounds like variable block size? |
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| 12:52.59 | iostream | I'm trying to figure out how much is read from the disk, and munin (google it..) graphs in blocks / sec |
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| 12:53.36 | war92 | azeem: if you type it out, it'll go to the second line, Ill rtfm |
| 12:54.03 | azeem | war92: you mean it wraps around the end of your terminal? |
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| 12:55.00 | war92 | azeem: yeah!! on the first line |
| 12:55.49 | war92 | ahttp://www.archive.org/download/30_Years_of_Apple_Computer/30_Years_of_Apple_Computer.mov |
| 12:55.53 | war92 | paste that into an xterm |
| 12:56.00 | war92 | and it over-laps the first pat of the url |
| 12:56.16 | war92 | xterm -aw does not fix it either :( |
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| 12:56.34 | war92 | azeem: do you see the issue? |
| 12:56.36 | raf256 | ahttp ? |
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| 12:57.24 | war92 | raf256: typo |
| 12:57.25 | raf256 | war92: I copy/paste that link into aterm and it seem to work |
| 12:57.28 | war92 | raf256: it is http://www.archive.org/download/30_Years_of_Apple_Computer/30_Years_of_Apple_Computer.mov |
| 12:57.38 | war92 | raf256: send a screenshot? hmm |
| 12:57.44 | raf256 | well I opened aterm window |
| 12:57.47 | raf256 | paste using mouse |
| 12:57.49 | war92 | it pastes just fine, but |
| 12:57.51 | raf256 | and nothing unussual |
| 12:58.00 | war92 | the end of the URL overlaps the beginning part of the line |
| 12:58.09 | kevix | did folks know about pdo.debian.net as a temp replacement for packages.debian.org |
| 12:58.13 | raf256 | no |
| 12:58.25 | raf256 | kevix: that should be in toppic |
| 12:58.44 | raf256 | also, wtf are debian guys so long fucking with setting a new server? |
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| 12:59.17 | raf256 | it's not like they are *building* it, basing on this first open-source hardware GFX card, using own x86 CPU, and on HURD mach kernel, is it? |
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| 12:59.22 | kevix | raf256: they are servers for millions of hits not just a toy server. |
| 12:59.41 | raf256 | and? |
| 12:59.49 | raf256 | the last server worked just fine afair |
| 12:59.55 | davor | /join #debian |
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| 12:59.59 | davor | test |
| 13:00.01 | raf256 | they are inventine a new OS for it or what |
| 13:00.04 | resiak | !test |
| 13:00.04 | dpkg | Yes, resiak, you're still online. |
| 13:00.13 | sts9 | raf256: my aterm has NEVER been able to use a mouse. only shift-insert... wierd. I just assumed it cant |
| 13:00.23 | resiak | raf256: Read the debian-devel-announce posts abotu it? |
| 13:00.29 | davor | oh, sorry for spamming everyone. just got a new irc client for emacs, and had to try it out |
| 13:00.33 | raf256 | sts9: aterm as in: I am in KDE desktop and I start aterm application |
| 13:00.43 | raf256 | resiak: no, where? |
| 13:00.51 | resiak | On debian-devel-announce, IIRC |
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| 13:01.21 | sts9 | raf256: Ahh, I mean aterm as in aterm afterstep term. embeded into KDE desktop. Konsole has mouse just fine |
| 13:01.25 | raf256 | perhaps they had taked then make-all-from-scratch to next level, and they concived a new admin, now waiting ~8 months more for first rc? |
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| 13:01.54 | raf256 | resiak: where is debian-devel-announce/ |
| 13:01.59 | resiak | !dda |
| 13:01.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-devel-announce is If you are running releases beyond "stable", then *YOU* are part of the development process! This means you must subscribe to "debian-devel-announce" or risk missing important announcements, like broken packages. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or <http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe> |
| 13:02.01 | jko_ | hello all |
| 13:02.05 | resiak | !fgi raf256 debian-devel-announce |
| 13:02.06 | dpkg | raf256: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian-devel-announce |
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| 13:02.44 | raf256 | so after I manually deleted a /usr/bin/ar |
| 13:03.02 | raf256 | then dpkg -i of archive (binutils) containing this file (as viewed by dpkg -c) should install it right? |
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| 13:03.08 | raf256 | and if it doesnt then it is a bug of dpkg? |
| 13:03.13 | resiak | raf256: I apologise: the update on the situation is _not_ there. sorry. I'll look for it |
| 13:03.35 | mrec | anyone got a tv card here? is it possible to watch tv and using teletext at the same time? |
| 13:03.53 | raf256 | ok |
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| 13:04.57 | jko_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.24 | dusty | What other repos are there for debian sid, for the unofficial packages? |
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| 13:07.37 | duhast | ciao |
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| 13:08.09 | jeffrin | i want to connect my linux laptop to net |
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| 13:08.19 | jeffrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.32 | dusty | What is the command to configure alsa? |
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| 13:08.49 | jko_ | There must be a 'modem' in your phone dusty |
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| 13:09.21 | dusty | lol jko_ |
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| 13:09.31 | jko_ | So, with other words, you must be able to send AT commands to your phone. RTFM manual of phone |
| 13:09.32 | jeffrin | jko_ : should there be a modem in mobile phone for my linux laptop to connect to net |
| 13:09.39 | war92 | Anyone here use gigabit with NFS? |
| 13:09.49 | dusty | jko_, how about you lick my balls? |
| 13:10.21 | raboof | dusty: ... |
| 13:10.30 | dusty | :) |
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| 13:12.21 | KernelFX | hello |
| 13:12.32 | Goll | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:13.08 | fhffhqvb | Goll: how about not? |
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| 13:13.37 | Goll | fhffhqvb, it was a typo dude |
| 13:13.52 | jko_ | dusty, connect with wifi, or with hard-wire? |
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| 13:14.01 | digijohn | Hey all, after upgrading to xorg and installing nvidia drivers "the debian way", performance on GL applications is horrible |
| 13:14.04 | KernelFX | please... tell me what's the command line to install header kernel for the nvidia driver on the debian sarge 3.1 stable? |
| 13:14.09 | dusty | jko_, I have both. |
| 13:14.10 | mortal | digijohn: your fault |
| 13:14.20 | jko_ | ok, chipset for wifi? |
| 13:14.22 | digijohn | mortal: How so |
| 13:14.25 | fhffhqvb | !tell digijohn about nvidia |
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| 13:14.28 | jko_ | broadcom, or other? |
| 13:14.36 | mortal | !tell mortal about nvidia |
| 13:14.46 | dusty | jko_, don't know the one subnet is wifi which is mainly windows desktop and a laptop. |
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| 13:14.53 | dusty | the unix part of my network is hardwired. |
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| 13:15.23 | digijohn | !tell digijohn about nvidia-graphics-diver |
| 13:15.29 | digijohn | !tell digijohn about nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 13:15.57 | digijohn | fhffhqvb: I followed the wiki directions |
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| 13:16.44 | fhffhqvb | digijohn: that's nice |
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| 13:18.55 | Inflicted | How do I make the time in Debian correspond exactly with the syetem BIOS time? The time in Debian is 2 hours ahead of the BIOS time. So if BIOS has 2pm, Debian displays 4pm. How can I change this? |
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| 13:19.17 | fhffhqvb | !tz |
| 13:19.17 | dpkg | [tz] defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem |
| 13:19.21 | dusty | Inflicted, man date |
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| 13:19.29 | fhffhqvb | Inflicted: tzconfig |
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| 13:20.26 | TBBle | Inflicted: Tell the computer that your BIOS is localtime, not UTC. Alternatively move to someone at UTC+0. |
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| 13:28.12 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:28.12 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:28.42 | blondie | stop mooing :O |
| 13:28.46 | Adi_away | Hi. I want to compile new kernel, but my X doesnt work. I dont have time to config it manualy. If I make bzImage directly after uncompresing does it install default modules and etc.. |
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| 13:29.03 | madradrone | Adi_away: no way |
| 13:29.12 | madradrone | Adi_away: make menuconfig |
| 13:29.15 | Kizmet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.15 | Kizmet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.15 | Kizmet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:29.22 | Adi_away | doesnt work |
| 13:29.28 | Adi_away | just make config |
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| 13:29.35 | madradrone | Adi_away: install libncurses5-dev |
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| 13:29.51 | hmm | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=3522 |
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| 13:29.58 | fhffhqvb | !pity Kizmet |
| 13:29.59 | dpkg | I pity da fool Kizmet! |
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| 13:30.35 | Kizmet | !pitty dpkg |
| 13:30.39 | Adi_1 | ok tnx madra... |
| 13:30.39 | Kizmet | :( |
| 13:30.39 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: more movies! |
| 13:30.43 | abrotman | err more movie posters |
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| 13:30.50 | abrotman | !spellcheck Kizmet |
| 13:30.53 | hmm | some one please help on my link |
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| 13:31.04 | Kizmet | !pity dpkg |
| 13:31.04 | dpkg | I pity da fool dpkg! |
| 13:31.40 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:31.40 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:32.21 | azeem | hmm: I think you shouldn't use that .run stuff |
| 13:32.27 | azeem | there's a driver in non-free I thought? |
| 13:32.30 | Goll | hey abrotman , so made up your mind to go Debconf, no? ;) |
| 13:32.33 | hmm | dunno |
| 13:32.40 | hmm | i just downloaded it from the nvidia site |
| 13:32.54 | azeem | hmm: well, check what dpkg just said |
| 13:33.00 | hmm | doing so now |
| 13:33.13 | abrotman | Goll: huh? |
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| 13:33.32 | abrotman | hmm: hmm .. have you considered another nick? |
| 13:33.40 | abrotman | Goll: still need occupational permission |
| 13:33.47 | Xander | this nick is registered though |
| 13:34.05 | abrotman | Xander: i was just commenting that anyone who goes .. "hmm .. just a moment" would highlight you |
| 13:34.11 | Xander | lol |
| 13:34.14 | binman180 | i get graphics lag on my geforce 6600gt even on minimal settings whats wrong? |
| 13:34.27 | binman180 | on ut2004 |
| 13:34.49 | azeem | binman180: check glxinfo and see whether direct rendering is activated |
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| 13:36.44 | binman180 | direct rendering is activre |
| 13:36.48 | binman180 | azeem |
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| 13:38.52 | abrotman | binman180: is it the nvidia driver .. or something free ? |
| 13:39.10 | binman180 | nvidia driver |
| 13:39.21 | abrotman | perhaps ask #nvidia |
| 13:39.27 | abrotman | they may know other things to check |
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| 13:41.00 | embre_ | hi, I am using linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7, which should have SELinux integrated. but when I use it, there is no selinuxfs (which is needed for /selinux) |
| 13:41.01 | eze | hola |
| 13:41.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:41.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:41.20 | eze | thanks! |
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| 13:41.43 | eze | i'm going ti "/join #debian " |
| 13:41.50 | eze | bye |
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| 13:43.21 | vin` | signee? |
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| 13:44.15 | abrotman | ack.. .41! |
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| 13:44.20 | Xander | that one liner thing |
| 13:44.23 | Xander | that the bot gave me |
| 13:44.29 | Xander | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 13:44.30 | rata | hi |
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| 13:44.35 | Xander | it doesnt like the m-a prepare |
| 13:44.38 | Xander | says it cant find m-a |
| 13:44.41 | ocsi | hi |
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| 13:44.56 | abrotman | Xander: did you install module-assistant ? |
| 13:44.57 | vin` | Xander: did the install go fine? |
| 13:45.06 | Xander | have'nt tried it yet |
| 13:45.11 | Xander | just rebooted |
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| 13:45.37 | ocsi | I am in trouble with mdadm. I've created a few arrays. Now I want to destroy one so that --scan will not be able to find it. I've tried with --zero-superblock, but w/o success. Any idea? |
| 13:45.45 | asg | azeem: yes signee 41 is classic |
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| 13:46.39 | ocsi | (Apart from dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mdX ?) |
| 13:47.54 | jetscreamer | low level format |
| 13:48.04 | jetscreamer | ok same almost |
| 13:48.34 | ocsi | There must be some way to render unusable that superblock |
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| 13:49.03 | ocsi | Maybe in this case creating it was more easy than destroying it |
| 13:49.50 | TBBle | ocsi: I think dd-ing it is the correct answer... But not the mdX, the backing partition's superblock. |
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| 13:50.22 | ocsi | it'll take 40minutes |
| 13:50.25 | ocsi | ah |
| 13:50.28 | Xander | i just got another error when i did that command |
| 13:50.36 | abrotman | OH! .. what is it! |
| 13:50.46 | Xander | couldnt find nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:50.51 | jetscreamer | !sing the abrotman song |
| 13:51.01 | abrotman | Xander: do you have contrib and non-free in your sources |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: !sing abrotman |
| 13:51.14 | Xander | o.O? |
| 13:51.14 | k31th | anyone have any scripts tools. For adding a bunch of users witht he same password ? |
| 13:51.23 | abrotman | !tell Xander about contrib |
| 13:51.26 | abrotman | !tell Xander about non-free |
| 13:52.08 | Xander | k, that didnt help me much |
| 13:52.18 | Xander | what would i add to my sources.list to get the contrib and non-free? |
| 13:52.20 | jetscreamer | !implant all factoids in Xander's brain |
| 13:52.29 | jetscreamer | you would add contrib non-free |
| 13:52.29 | abrotman | Xander: in your sources .. add the words "contrib non-free" to the end of your main source line |
| 13:52.33 | jetscreamer | weird eh |
| 13:52.38 | Xander | lol k |
| 13:52.40 | jetscreamer | after the word main |
| 13:52.54 | jetscreamer | thenapt-ge tupdate |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | dpkg: do my taxes |
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| 13:53.52 | TBBle | ocsi: 40 minutes??? You don't need to dd the whole disk, just the first 512 bytes I think. |
| 13:53.57 | jetscreamer | gtg buhbye |
| 13:53.57 | ocsi | TBBle: I've two 160GB disks (it'll be a server). I'd like to separate /, /tmp, /var and /usr. What do you suggest: use one raid array for the whole disk and create the partitions on /dev/md0 or create 4 separate raid array on the already created partitions /dev/sdxx ? |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you just got here! |
| 13:54.24 | jetscreamer | i just woke up and now i have to go make money |
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| 13:54.37 | TBBle | ocsi: I personally went with an md0 for /boot, and an md1 for LVM2 with my partitions on it, and md2 for swap. |
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| 13:54.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: send the wife! |
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| 13:55.04 | ocsi | TBBle: I'm not too familiar with LVM2 :/ |
| 13:55.13 | TBBle | ocsi: Are you installing with Debian installer? |
| 13:55.16 | vimman | when i start my network to bring the wireless up.. i get the following error "Bringing up interface wlan0: Error : unrecognised wireless request "Mb/s" ...Determining IP information for wlan0... failed; no link present. Check cable?" |
| 13:55.19 | jetscreamer | she's going too |
| 13:55.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:55.29 | TBBle | ocsi: lvm2 is what you need to partition an md device, anyway. |
| 13:55.30 | ocsi | TBBle: no, it does not support the SATA controller |
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| 13:56.09 | ocsi | TBBle: I've installed the system on an IDE drive, now migrating to the SATA drives with the new kernel |
| 13:56.37 | TBBle | ocsi: Ouch. Well, once you have your md1 created, pvcreate marks the volume as a physical volume for lvm, vgcreate will create a Volume Group out of the physical volumes (in this case one) and lvcreate creats your logical volumes (ie one for /, one for /tmp, one for /var and one for /usr) |
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| 13:57.05 | badboy_x | fifa 06 8-) campionat de fifa 06 shi o mica cupa cine vrea sa participe sa intre pe http://jocuri-x.myforum.ro/ 8-) {pt info campionat_fifa06_xxx@yahoo.com |
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| 13:57.10 | TBBle | ocsi: lvm2 on md is a slightly degereate case, which makes it a bit easier. One "physical volume", one "volume group" and several "logical volumes" |
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| 13:58.15 | abrotman | what kind of shitty spam was that ? |
| 13:58.24 | resiak | blue |
| 13:58.31 | abrotman | resiak: your poo is blue? |
| 13:58.32 | sfr | hi - when get the fs listed in fstab mounted? |
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| 13:58.49 | abrotman | sfr: when in the init process? |
| 13:59.08 | sfr | when exactly? |
| 13:59.09 | abrotman | sfr: deepnds on the partition i'd guess |
| 13:59.19 | sfr | when gets the root-fs mounted? |
| 13:59.35 | sfr | initrd? |
| 13:59.40 | Inflicted | What |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | sfr: you you having a problem with mount ? |
| 14:00.19 | sfr | is the initrd responsible for mounting the root-fs? |
| 14:00.25 | resiak | yep |
| 14:00.29 | abrotman | kind of |
| 14:00.30 | resiak | erm, wait, no |
| 14:00.34 | sfr | no, i just want to use unionfs - so this information might be useful ;-) |
| 14:00.34 | Inflicted | What is the '/etc/sysconfig/clock' equivalent file on a Debian system?? That file is from Redhat. |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | it needs drivers unless they're compiled in |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | Inflicted: what does that file do ? |
| 14:00.58 | Inflicted | abrotman: http://www.simon.me.uk/archives/000145.html |
| 14:01.00 | sfr | of course, and the initrd is resposible to load this kernel modules |
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| 14:01.29 | JPX | ? |
| 14:01.32 | Inflicted | abrotman: i have a problem with my time, and that is the solution... but i need the equivelent file on a debian system. its for 'hwclock'. |
| 14:01.36 | Frebrd | is debian gnome? |
| 14:01.52 | raboof | Frebrd: it can be. |
| 14:02.08 | Xander | right |
| 14:02.11 | Xander | i did that huge command |
| 14:02.14 | Xander | just reboot now? |
| 14:02.15 | abrotman | Frebrd: debian has gnome |
| 14:02.21 | abrotman | Xander: don't forget to pray |
| 14:02.26 | Xander | ah k |
| 14:02.36 | iostream | abrotman: What's he trying to do? |
| 14:02.40 | abrotman | Inflicted: you're sure you've set options for your timezone correctly ? |
| 14:02.40 | raboof | Frebrd: not sure what the default is these days, but both gnome and kde are supported (but not required) |
| 14:02.47 | abrotman | iostream: use binary drivers on his machine |
| 14:02.51 | iostream | abrotman: okay |
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| 14:03.03 | Frebrd | good bye all |
| 14:03.08 | Frebrd | gonna install gentoo |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | uh . ok |
| 14:03.21 | resiak | Good for you! |
| 14:03.29 | raboof | Frebrd: cya |
| 14:03.31 | theD3viL | what is shutdown and reboot command with user? |
| 14:03.37 | resiak | Bye all... gonna strangle puppies |
| 14:03.41 | Inflicted | abrotman: i have a problem with time. if my Bios says 2pm, then my debian system will display 4pm. it's always 2 hours ahead. |
| 14:03.47 | Zeppeleptic | Halt or shutdown -r now:). |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | resiak: don't forget to get the chiauaas |
| 14:03.54 | resiak | k |
| 14:04.06 | Zeppeleptic | Can anyone help me? |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | infinity2: what is your timezone ? |
| 14:04.09 | theD3viL | Zeppeleptic, for user? ... what about reboot ? |
| 14:04.15 | Zeppeleptic | He reboot. |
| 14:04.26 | Inflicted | abrotman: my time zone is SAST |
| 14:04.33 | theD3viL | Zeppeleptic, nope, not for user. |
| 14:04.38 | theD3viL | Zeppeleptic, what is your problem ? |
| 14:04.39 | abrotman | Inflicted: sorry .. meant GMT+/-? |
| 14:04.42 | Zeppeleptic | You cant reboot as user. |
| 14:04.50 | Zeppeleptic | How do i limit bandwidth on eth0. |
| 14:04.52 | resiak | Sure you can. |
| 14:04.59 | abrotman | Zeppeleptic: trickle |
| 14:05.01 | Zeppeleptic | Dont know... Never tried. |
| 14:05.01 | theD3viL | Zeppeleptic, you can try iptables |
| 14:05.02 | Inflicted | abrotman: i have used 'tzconfig' to set the time zone. I am GMT+2 |
| 14:05.13 | resiak | You use sudo, and let users of your choice run shutdown and reboot |
| 14:05.16 | Zeppeleptic | TheD3viL, i've searched havent found anything though... |
| 14:05.20 | abrotman | Inflicted: if you look in /etc/default/rcS .. are the time options set correctly ? |
| 14:05.26 | Xander | abrotman |
| 14:05.28 | theD3viL | Zeppeleptic, then dunno |
| 14:05.29 | Xander | it didnt work |
| 14:05.34 | abrotman | Xander: why not ? |
| 14:05.36 | Zeppeleptic | For example if i have 1mbps i want to use only 128k... |
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| 14:05.41 | Inflicted | abrotman: yes, i have check the settings in /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:05.41 | Xander | its just loaded debian with the same crappy graphics |
| 14:05.46 | Xander | and pixelated display |
| 14:05.46 | theD3viL | resiak, i must edit the sudoes then? |
| 14:05.52 | resiak | theD3viL: Yes! |
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| 14:05.55 | resiak | theD3viL: visudo |
| 14:06.13 | ocsi | TBBle : I think I will go by your suggestion. I've thought of LVM2 before. Just not very sure of it's stability |
| 14:06.15 | Zeppeleptic | He good idea... Sudo:). |
| 14:06.21 | Zeppeleptic | Or su.. |
| 14:06.23 | Inflicted | abrotman: http://www.simon.me.uk/archives/000145.html - read that please! that is exactly my problem on my dell machine |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | Inflicted: i'm not aware of any file like that on debian .. |
| 14:06.28 | theD3viL | resiak, what to add ? |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | Inflicted: let me read a man page |
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| 14:07.02 | Inflicted | abrotman: i need to know where i can add this variable for the 'hwclock' command: CLOCKFLAGS="--directisa" |
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| 14:07.56 | Inflicted | abrotman: if i do this...... date -s 10:00 |
| 14:08.04 | abrotman | Inflicted: i realize that .. i'm reading 'man hwclock' |
| 14:08.36 | Inflicted | abrotman: my time will change to 10:00 on my debian system, but if i reboot, the time will change back to 12:00, when in fact the local time should be 10:00 |
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| 14:09.07 | abrotman | Inflicted: if you ruin 'hwclock' what's the output ? |
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| 14:10.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.44 | Inflicted | abrotman: "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
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| 14:10.56 | Inflicted | abrotman: thats the output from the hwclock command |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | Inflicted: if you read that man page . it says --directisa only matters for machines with ISA .. does this machine have ISA ? |
| 14:11.11 | resiak | theD3viL: man sudoers |
| 14:11.17 | abrotman | puppy killer |
| 14:11.19 | Inflicted | abrotman: ISA? as in the older version of PCI? |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | it's not a version of PCI |
| 14:11.32 | Inflicted | oh |
| 14:11.32 | theD3viL | resiak, ok |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | it's an older card interface |
| 14:11.33 | ocsi | TBBle : you said you put swap on md2. Why not in md1's lvm? |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | Inflicted: but .. do you have it ? |
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| 14:12.50 | TBBle | ocsi: Frankly, because I didn't do it initially, but had two swap partitions on the two disks. My mistake was pointed out later. |
| 14:12.53 | abrotman | Inflicted: i'd be more concerned that `hwclock` doesn't work |
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| 14:13.11 | TBBle | ocsi: I'd still do it that way, because it keeps things cleaner in my mind. I'm not gonna be changing size of swap at any point, really. |
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| 14:17.09 | abrotman | i'm melting!!!! |
| 14:17.47 | Phated | ... |
| 14:17.56 | Phated | Programs recompiling programs. |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | i'm not a bot! |
| 14:18.14 | Phated | So you say. |
| 14:18.21 | webfreak | abrotman: botsnack |
| 14:18.27 | abrotman | webfreak: Thanks! |
| 14:18.34 | webfreak | hah, pwnt |
| 14:18.47 | izkorptixxx | i just installed phlak and home how i cant access my hda1 partition from it hda1 = xp |
| 14:18.49 | webfreak | brb |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | !info phlak sarge |
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| 14:20.06 | izkorptixxx | .. |
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| 14:20.17 | abrotman | wtf is phlak ? |
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| 14:20.33 | tombs | hi all |
| 14:20.36 | izkorptixxx | www.phlak.org |
| 14:20.53 | TBBle | It's an Internet host? |
| 14:20.56 | Zeppeleptic | -.- lol. |
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| 14:21.11 | abrotman | izkorptixxx: phlak is NOT debian |
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| 14:21.24 | izkorptixxx | let me guess ur brain is the size of a birds |
| 14:21.32 | izkorptixxx | its based on debian |
| 14:21.38 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 14:21.38 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll maybe get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | !tell izkorptixxx about ur |
| 14:22.17 | izkorptixxx | man you must be fkn samrt |
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| 14:22.23 | abrotman | man .. you must be stupid |
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| 14:22.27 | abrotman | !d-i izkorptixxx |
| 14:22.27 | dpkg | izkorptixxx, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:22.33 | izkorptixxx | !tell abrotman about faggots |
| 14:22.35 | Matt-H | yay I'm samrt too! |
| 14:22.42 | Phated | dpkg: based on debian =~ s/Xebian, /Xebian, phlak, / |
| 14:22.43 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
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| 14:22.45 | Phated | :) |
| 14:22.49 | abrotman | izkorptixxx: what ever you're using IS NOT debian .. go away |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | or install debian :) |
| 14:23.03 | izkorptixxx | ur a fkn idiot |
| 14:23.08 | izkorptixxx | it is debian |
| 14:23.15 | izkorptixxx | im getting updates now for it |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | oh .. i'm sorry .. you're a tard |
| 14:23.28 | Ether_Man | izkorptixxx: based on debian does not make it debian.. |
| 14:23.31 | asg | "I'm Debian and so is my wife!" |
| 14:23.43 | slug | why? wt.. izkorptixxx how is ur distro called? |
| 14:23.47 | izkorptixxx | no shit i said it was based on debian i didnt say it was it |
| 14:23.53 | loxley | izkorptixxx: dude... tag down |
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| 14:24.01 | ronin | 10:23:19] <izkorptixxx> it is debian |
| 14:24.03 | azeem | izkorptixxx: please watch your temper |
| 14:24.03 | abrotman | so go to the channel that supports it .. we do not |
| 14:24.08 | webfreak | izkorptixxx: chill |
| 14:24.20 | izkorptixxx | is this a help channel or abuse ? |
| 14:24.21 | Ether_Man | izkorptixxx: Then go to your dists helpchannel.. |
| 14:24.31 | Ether_Man | izkorptixxx: it's a help channel for DEBIAN.. |
| 14:24.41 | TBBle | izkorptixxx: We can only help with Debian. Abuse is cross-distribution. |
| 14:24.42 | asg | izkorptixxx: /msg dpkg ntfsrw, /msg dpkg vfatrw (that's your Debian answer.) |
| 14:24.45 | izkorptixxx | oh really |
| 14:24.48 | slug | why? should he, because u say ... |
| 14:24.52 | slug | ? |
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| 14:24.57 | abrotman | !tell slug about u |
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| 14:24.58 | ronin | izkorptixxx: a help channel, but for debian and not any of its spin offs |
| 14:25.00 | webfreak | TBBle: haha |
| 14:25.00 | slug | whp the... are u anyway? |
| 14:25.08 | izkorptixxx | yeh why shuold he |
| 14:25.10 | azeem | izkorptixxx: did you try #phlak |
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| 14:25.14 | azeem | ? |
| 14:25.17 | Phated | 22:24 < slug> | why? should he, because u say ... |
| 14:25.17 | Phated | 22:24 < slug> | ? |
| 14:25.20 | webfreak | TBBle: i guess i was the only one that got that |
| 14:25.21 | Phated | 2Whoops, SORREH |
| 14:25.24 | Zeppeleptic | Izkorptixxx, what are you trying to proove? |
| 14:25.26 | izkorptixxx | yes nobody active. |
| 14:25.27 | tziku | hello, where can i see al iptables settings ? |
| 14:25.31 | asg | !they don't know |
| 14:25.31 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | tough .. go wait |
| 14:25.33 | Zeppeleptic | Man iptables. |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | !piav |
| 14:25.35 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 14:25.38 | izkorptixxx | nuffin i asked for help |
| 14:25.40 | slug | only starting this because, last time i also had a question based on debian and i got the same crap |
| 14:25.43 | loxley | tziku: iptables -L |
| 14:25.48 | TBBle | webfreak: I'm guessing so. I'll have to trot it out next time someone asks that, until it's funny. ^_^ |
| 14:25.51 | Zeppeleptic | Oh you mean al the rules:). |
| 14:26.01 | webfreak | TBBle: hehe |
| 14:26.03 | izkorptixxx | ? |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | it's not even derived from debian ... it's a grandchild through morphix |
| 14:26.40 | TBBle | slug: You mean you didn't learn the lesson the first time? |
| 14:26.45 | tziku | the loxley |
| 14:26.57 | slug | TBBle: what lesson? |
| 14:27.03 | azeem | izkorptixxx: the system is sufficiently different to Debian that we can not help you much, sorry |
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| 14:27.15 | izkorptixxx | ok |
| 14:27.17 | azeem | izkorptixxx: anyway, check whether the ntfs module is loaded |
| 14:27.26 | izkorptixxx | u could of said that from the start |
| 14:27.28 | TBBle | slug: That "based on Debian" is not the same as "Debian"... Or did you move on to Debian now? |
| 14:27.30 | izkorptixxx | k |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | we did say that |
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| 14:27.51 | izkorptixxx | no |
| 14:27.57 | slug | TBBle: i am using debian unstable sid so i guess that makes it debian ? no? |
| 14:27.58 | izkorptixxx | u didnt stop talking sh** |
| 14:28.03 | abrotman | how is "Phlak IS NOT debian" confusing ? |
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| 14:28.09 | kokkoo | hi, im running deb.sarge and i have trouble replacing a NIC (from a 100mbit to a 1gbit), an intel pro\1000 gt |
| 14:28.18 | ronin | abrotman: i can see how that wouldnt be clear :) |
| 14:28.21 | izkorptixxx | well im not the brightest person am i |
| 14:28.28 | Zeppeleptic | Izkorptixxx, obviously. |
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| 14:28.37 | azeem | Zeppeleptic: uh? |
| 14:28.38 | TBBle | slug: Yup, that's Debian. Of course, it's also bleeding edge, so suport options are limited. Especially if you come up with an edge case no one here has seen before. ^_^ |
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| 14:28.45 | izkorptixxx | haha |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | kokkoo: what kernel .. and did you try e1000 ? |
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| 14:28.56 | azeem | izkorptixxx: if you have questions about non-Debian systems in here, you cannot expect an answer |
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| 14:29.10 | azeem | izkorptixxx: sometimes, you might be lucky |
| 14:29.13 | izkorptixxx | aight u can all stop crying |
| 14:29.20 | izkorptixxx | yeh i was waiting for my luck |
| 14:29.22 | Phated | TBBle: sid is only cutting edge, experimental is bleeding ;) |
| 14:29.23 | TBBle | You can howerver expect abuse in amount relative to the amount of insistence you put in that you be helped anyway. |
| 14:29.24 | azeem | izkorptixxx: in ayn case, you don't get to complain about it |
| 14:29.27 | izkorptixxx | but you dont wanna help me |
| 14:29.31 | izkorptixxx | its coz im black isnt it |
| 14:29.36 | azeem | izkorptixxx: no |
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| 14:29.43 | izkorptixxx | sure sure |
| 14:29.44 | ronin | izkorptixxx: more like we cant as we dont know/run phlax |
| 14:29.49 | TBBle | Phated: I consider experimental to be about four paces over the bleeding edge, like Wile E Coyote before he stops and looks down. |
| 14:29.52 | Ether_Man | izkorptixxx: because you are not asking in the correct place.. |
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| 14:29.57 | Phated | TBBle: Heh. |
| 14:30.02 | TBBle | Phated: At least in support terms. ^_^ |
| 14:30.08 | kokkoo | abrotman : kernel is the standard 2.4.something, ill try a kernel image asap, and i did try the e1000... no work. |
| 14:30.11 | izkorptixxx | man you rednecks make me sick i have done nuffin to the white skin coloured ppl |
| 14:30.18 | izkorptixxx | and i get no hel.. |
| 14:30.21 | izkorptixxx | *help |
| 14:30.23 | azeem | izkorptixxx: please keep this stuff out of here |
| 14:30.23 | izkorptixxx | coz im black |
| 14:30.24 | webfreak | huh? |
| 14:30.25 | ronin | what are you smoking izkorptixxx |
| 14:30.29 | abrotman | kokkoo: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 14:30.38 | azeem | izkorptixxx: I told you to check for the ntfs module |
| 14:30.43 | TBBle | Isn't there a button you can hit when someone starts blatently trolling? |
| 14:30.49 | Phated | Yeah, this one. |
| 14:30.50 | Phated | !ops izkorptixxx |
| 14:30.50 | slug | TBBle: that is okay, can understand that, but people *like abrotman, cant even answer with a polite manure, should maybe respect this channel more |
| 14:30.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: izkorptixxx |
| 14:30.51 | kokkoo | abrotman : kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 i think this one is ok.. |
| 14:30.51 | ronin | TBBle: ya its /ignore |
| 14:30.52 | abrotman | yeah .. you call ops .. |
| 14:30.57 | izkorptixxx | ronin Winfiled gold |
| 14:30.59 | asg | azeem: check the output of dmesg and fdisk -l to verify the kernel sees you partition |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | kokkoo: what is your kernel ? |
| 14:31.08 | asg | s/you/your/ |
| 14:31.16 | ronin | izkorptixxx: you should lay off then its starting to have adverse affects |
| 14:31.20 | kokkoo | abrotman : 2.4.27-2 atm. |
| 14:31.23 | azeem | asg: s/azeem/izkorptixxx/ |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | slug: i told him it wasn't debian .. and it's not .. if you don't like it ... go to #phlak and help him |
| 14:31.38 | TBBle | ronin: I was thinking more !ops. I've got enough other windows to play in that /ignore is unneccessary. ^_^ |
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| 14:31.41 | izkorptixxx | now i know how you ppl a just cause im black i get no help at all |
| 14:31.42 | asg | azeem: that's what happens when you drink and deb ;) |
| 14:31.44 | abrotman | kokkoo: what's your CPU |
| 14:31.57 | kokkoo | abrotman : its a 1.4ghz amd. |
| 14:32.03 | ronin | izkorptixxx: yes its cause your black and we can tell on irc that you are |
| 14:32.08 | js_ | izkorptixxx: you look white to me |
| 14:32.11 | azeem | izkorptixxx: if you have no further Debian questions, I suggest you either leave, or drop the racist accusations |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | kokkoo: ok .. just wanted to make sure you weren't going to run a -k7 on a 396 :) |
| 14:32.17 | webfreak | kokkoo: wow, someone else still uses those old chips too? ;) |
| 14:32.18 | abrotman | 386 |
| 14:32.21 | izkorptixxx | so who do you people work for KKK? |
| 14:32.22 | azeem | ronin: can you please stop to confront? |
| 14:32.24 | TBBle | izkorptixxx: Looks kinda grey here, except when you address me directly in which case you're yellow. |
| 14:32.27 | ronin | azeem: sorry |
| 14:32.28 | kokkoo | abrotman : hehe :) |
| 14:32.30 | Ether_Man | izkorptixxx: if you're stupid enough to believe you dont get help because you're black.. you're way to stupid to run any form of *nix... -_- |
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| 14:32.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*=izkorpti@*.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] by azeem |
| 14:32.36 | kokkoo | webfreak : ye just a samba server :) |
| 14:32.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
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| 14:32.47 | azeem | izkorptixxx: you have been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 14:32.47 | abrotman | azeem: you're getting better at that :) |
| 14:32.49 | Phated | \o/ azeem. |
| 14:32.52 | webfreak | kokkoo: heh |
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| 14:33.05 | Phated | !beer azeem |
| 14:33.06 | azeem | izkorptixxx: please reconsider your tone. This is a Debian help channel |
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| 14:33.12 | webfreak | kokkoo: mine's my all around desktop :\ |
| 14:33.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:33.17 | kokkoo | webfreak : replacing the nic will be good tho :P |
| 14:33.19 | TBBle | Oh lord, and he was Australian to boot. I'm so ashamed. |
| 14:33.29 | webfreak | kokkoo: ah, i have a 3c905b in mine... oldie but goodie |
| 14:33.32 | abrotman | TBBle: redundant ? |
| 14:33.42 | Phated | TBBle: Feh, as though we knew or cared. He was an idjit. |
| 14:33.44 | kokkoo | webfreak : ive got a 3ghz p4 for desktop usage:P |
| 14:33.46 | TBBle | abrotman: ... Moreso. |
| 14:33.55 | webfreak | kokkoo: ah |
| 14:33.56 | abrotman | kokkoo: try a 2.6 with the e1000 driver .. not sure that 2.4 even has a e1000 |
| 14:34.17 | azeem | so, what was slug complaining about? |
| 14:34.38 | Phated | azeem: That we weren't helping the dude with the i name. |
| 14:34.48 | asg | abrotman: sarge's 2.4.27 kernel has e1000 |
| 14:34.56 | kokkoo | abrotman : right |
| 14:34.59 | abrotman | asg: ah .. nfc .. i figured it didn't |
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| 14:35.35 | webfreak | hmm, my hardware sensors aren't being detected anymore |
| 14:35.36 | abrotman | i think slug and iziwerjlkwejfw were in cahoots :) |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | webfreak: you did compile your kernel :) |
| 14:36.04 | webfreak | abrotman: i have the same modules loaded i've always had, and they used to work with older kerneles |
| 14:36.07 | webfreak | er, kernels |
| 14:36.17 | webfreak | maybe it's time to back down to 2.6.12 |
| 14:36.32 | JMTeal | why is my resolv.conf deleted when i reboot? the symlink in /etc/ is broken whenever i reboot!... any help? |
| 14:36.44 | abrotman | symlink ? |
| 14:36.50 | JMTeal | symbolic link |
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| 14:37.01 | dr1v3r | guys, after installing apache and started it via ssh, how woul di test to see if it is setup properly via a browser? is it http://IPaddresshere/apache2-default ?? |
| 14:37.04 | abrotman | i know what a symlink is |
| 14:37.05 | azeem | maybe we need a nice, polite factoid which says "sorry, you are not running pure Debian. Your system is likely different to what the people in here run, so we cannot support you in general, unless you are lucky and somebody knows. Please check for an irc channel for your Debian derivate" |
| 14:37.05 | kokkoo | abrotman : ok i got the kernel and e1000 running, now lets see if its accepting it :) |
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| 14:37.20 | abrotman | azeem: use your botfu! |
| 14:37.21 | dr1v3r | and gals of course :D |
| 14:37.21 | ronin | azeem: good idea,think they'd listen to it? heh |
| 14:37.26 | TBBle | azeem: I dunno. If it says that, people will demand that they be lucky. |
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| 14:37.31 | webfreak | dr1v3r: it should just be http://whatever, the default config redirects it to /apache2-default |
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| 14:37.47 | dr1v3r | oky, hmmm its not working lol |
| 14:37.57 | abrotman | dr1v3r: is it listening ? |
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| 14:37.58 | deconvolution | hi, my wireless nic (pcmcia) can connect to the AP and it got the IP address from the dhcp server, however, it cannot ping and connect to the network. What's the problem most likely? |
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| 14:38.13 | azeem | I'll try to modify the based on factoid a bit |
| 14:38.24 | dr1v3r | yea config set to listen to eth0 |
| 14:38.27 | asg | deconvolution: nameserver misconfiguration, gateway configuration. Can you ping the AP's IP address? |
| 14:38.31 | webfreak | deconvolution: sounds like you don't have your gateway set properly |
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| 14:38.44 | mrverbose | does the pppd in sarge support mppe and mppc already? or will i have to patch that in? |
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| 14:39.08 | JMTeal | well do you have any idea why it's broken every time i reboot? the file it points to (thru 2 symlinks) is /dev/shm/resolvconf/resolv.conf |
| 14:39.16 | abrotman | azeem: maybe something like "Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/whine." |
| 14:39.27 | deconvolution | asg: it says sendmsg: not permitted |
| 14:39.43 | kokkoo | abrotman : the module loads good but i cant get eth0 up and running |
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| 14:39.48 | TBBle | JMTeal: Off the top of my head, because /dev/shm isn't persistent. |
| 14:39.49 | abrotman | kokkoo: why not? |
| 14:40.12 | JMTeal | TBB well how can i fix this? |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | kokkoo: it's entirely possible the e1000 in sarge's 2.6.8 doesn't support your card |
| 14:40.21 | TBBle | JMTeal: Point the symlink somewhere else. |
| 14:40.32 | TBBle | JMTeal: I assume you're going for read-only root? |
| 14:40.36 | asg | deconvolution: are you running iptables locally on the machine in question? |
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| 14:40.41 | kokkoo | abrotman : eth0 : ERROR while getting interface flags : No such device. |
| 14:40.49 | abrotman | kokkoo: that's a good hint :) |
| 14:40.56 | JMTeal | so resolv.conf is not need in /dev/shm/resolvonf? |
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| 14:40.58 | dr1v3r | abrotman any idea on why it wouldnt work, if the config is set to listen on eth0, where eth0 is the network card and main interface |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | kokkoo: lspci .. what does it say ? |
| 14:41.13 | abrotman | dr1v3r: check the apache error log |
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| 14:41.24 | abrotman | asg: OMFG .. did you see that new inxs video! |
| 14:41.37 | asg | abrotman: er, no. Should I have? |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:41.44 | JMTeal | TBB don't think so... |
| 14:42.02 | kokkoo | abrotman : Ethernet controller : Intel Corp. : Unknown device 107c ( rev 05) |
| 14:42.07 | deconvolution | asg: I do have iptables, basically, i got two nic interfaces, the internal cable one and a card wireless one |
| 14:42.12 | TBBle | JMTeal: It shouldn't _be_ in /dev/shm. /dev/shm is for glibc's POSIX shared memory stuff, so nothing should be being stored there by other things than glibc. |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | kokkoo: does your internet work at all on that machine ? |
| 14:42.25 | theD3viL | when i reboot, i get MTTR error...what is this? |
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| 14:42.35 | kokkoo | abrotman : nope. as i run ifconfig i only have 'lo' up. |
| 14:42.39 | Phated | MEEP! The Term Resets! |
| 14:42.40 | TBBle | JMTeal: In that case, mine points to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 14:42.41 | JMTeal | TBB ok... so what is glibc? |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | kokkoo: well .. i can't have you run update-pciids to see what that card really is :) |
| 14:43.01 | JMTeal | TBB well that's where the first symlink points... |
| 14:43.01 | dr1v3r | abrotman nothing in the log for today just logs for 2 days ago |
| 14:43.02 | TBBle | JMTeal: The basic library that provides the basic C functions so your system can run. |
| 14:43.03 | asg | deconvolution: are both interfaces active? If so, what does 'traceroute <ip of AP>' say? |
| 14:43.10 | war92 | How come some OpenGL screensavers do not work fullscreen? Is it because I am using twinview w/ nvidia? |
| 14:43.15 | JMTeal | but /etc/resolvconf/run is a symlink to /dev ... |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | dr1v3r: if you /etc/init.d/apache2 restart .. no errors ? |
| 14:43.29 | kokkoo | abrotman : i can get the other nic in there while debugging i think :) |
| 14:43.35 | azeem | !based on debian |
| 14:43.35 | dpkg | hmm... based on debian is Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | kokkoo: that might be useful :) |
| 14:43.40 | dr1v3r | just trying that now lol |
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| 14:43.50 | eze | hello |
| 14:44.00 | TBBle | JMTeal: Oh, so it is. In that case, no idea. Is /etc/init.d/resolvconf running during boot? |
| 14:44.00 | asg | deconvolution: also, try disabling your firewall rules to verify that it isn't causing the problem. |
| 14:44.02 | abrotman | azeem: whoops .. should have included a list of popular variants |
| 14:44.22 | JMTeal | TBB not sure... |
| 14:44.26 | JMTeal | how to check? |
| 14:44.34 | azeem | abrotman: having a long list of variants at the beginning will lead to people skip the important parts which come later, methinks |
| 14:44.40 | eze | i have a AWE64 ISA sound card, and a debian sarge 2.6; but the sound don't work |
| 14:44.51 | abrotman | azeem: maybe another factoid full of variants? |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 14:44.53 | asg | abrotman: maybe a <see also> to list the non-supported variants |
| 14:44.55 | eze | this is de error message: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 14:44.55 | abrotman | !not debian |
| 14:44.55 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
| 14:45.15 | dr1v3r | abrotman yea something has gone wrong but i dont understand it lol,,, http://pastebin.com/538484 any chance you could take a quick look please if possible? |
| 14:45.35 | TBBle | JMTeal: I'd try running it now with "start" and see if your /etc/resolv.conf springs into existence. |
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| 14:45.46 | abrotman | asg: you just don't want to support me because i have 10 fingers! |
| 14:46.04 | abrotman | dr1v3r: it says it's resuming normal operation |
| 14:46.07 | asg | abrotman: and ten toes |
| 14:46.13 | abrotman | asg: ack .. how'd you know! |
| 14:46.15 | asg | abrotman: and a cake butt and funny hat |
| 14:46.22 | asg | abrotman: inference |
| 14:46.25 | JMTeal | Setting up resolvconf...run-parts: /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc exited with return code 1 |
| 14:46.25 | JMTeal | failed. |
| 14:46.27 | dr1v3r | so it should work abrotman? |
| 14:46.29 | JMTeal | ? |
| 14:46.40 | TBBle | JMTeal: Right. Now to work out why it failed. ^_^ |
| 14:46.40 | JMTeal | already running? |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | asg: if i go .. i should try to get pictures of #d regulars like azeem in the hat :) |
| 14:46.52 | abrotman | dr1v3r: is there a firewall ? |
| 14:46.53 | asg | abrotman: absolutely |
| 14:47.00 | dr1v3r | yea but the port is open |
| 14:47.02 | eze | excuseme dpkg, this is a debian channel? |
| 14:47.03 | abrotman | dr1v3r: netstat -an ... look for port 80 |
| 14:47.09 | ronin | eze: it certainly is |
| 14:47.13 | kokkoo | abrotman : ok its done.... got the old nic running now. |
| 14:47.13 | asg | eze: 1) yes, 2) dpkg is a bot |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 14:47.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | kokkoo: update-pciids ; update-usbids |
| 14:47.31 | TBBle | JMTeal: Does /dev/shm/resolvconf exist? |
| 14:47.33 | eze | i have a problem with my soundcard |
| 14:47.50 | abrotman | i still swear . the guy says he's the only cow on the road |
| 14:48.05 | asg | abrotman: which guy? what's with the cows? |
| 14:48.09 | kokkoo | abrotman : ok. and then? :_) (sorry im very newbie) |
| 14:48.23 | JMTeal | i would need resolvconf running to get on IRC right? all i had to do to make irc (and other internet stuff) work is cp ~/resolv.conf to /etc/ ... i made a copy in ~/ so i didn't have to rewrite it... |
| 14:48.38 | dr1v3r | 0.0.0.0:80 is what is showed in netstat -an abrotman |
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| 14:48.43 | abrotman | asg: morning tv sucks .. so vh1 is on .. and it's this Train video called 'Cab' .. but it sounds like he's saying "Sometimes i feel like the only cow on the road" |
| 14:48.49 | dr1v3r | well along a lot more but thast what i saw for port 80 |
| 14:48.54 | abrotman | kokkoo: lspci .. better? |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | dr1v3r: do you have a freiwall ? |
| 14:49.05 | kokkoo | abrotman : yes alot :) |
| 14:49.06 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 14:49.09 | TBBle | JMTeal: Resolvconf isn't a daemon. It's a set of scripts that're run as neccessary. |
| 14:49.25 | dr1v3r | yes abrotman but port 80 is open in it |
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| 14:49.28 | mentor | meh |
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| 14:49.32 | abrotman | dr1v3r: says you! |
| 14:49.33 | mentor | nobody about |
| 14:49.38 | abrotman | mentor: ? |
| 14:49.41 | asg | mentor: who are you looking for? |
| 14:49.43 | TBBle | JMTeal: So /etc/init.d/resolvconf start should reset the system back to bootable state. |
| 14:49.45 | JMTeal | TBB yes the dir exists, but resolv.conf is never there on boot... it is however fully functional after i copy resolv.conf to it |
| 14:49.52 | TBBle | JMTeal: Copy it from where? |
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| 14:49.55 | mentor | We missed the ops call above |
| 14:49.55 | dr1v3r | i can do apt get upadte ok and that uses port 80 dont it |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | mentor: azeem was here |
| 14:50.08 | asg | mentor: azeem got it |
| 14:50.09 | mentor | ah good |
| 14:50.10 | JMTeal | i made a copy in my home dir so i don't have to rewrite it.. |
| 14:50.11 | mentor | :) |
| 14:50.18 | asg | abrotman: are you uid 65534? |
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| 14:50.25 | TBBle | JMTeal: Why are you rewriting it? resolvconf is supposed to handle that for you. |
| 14:50.25 | theD3viL | when i reboot, i get MTTR error...what is this? |
| 14:50.45 | dr1v3r | sorry i lied abrotman it is not in the list, dammit man i knew i should have checked this first |
| 14:50.46 | abrotman | asg: yes |
| 14:50.52 | abrotman | dr1v3r: hehe |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | dr1v3r: fix your firewall!@ |
| 14:50.56 | TBBle | JMTeal: Find out why /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc -i failes. |
| 14:51.03 | JMTeal | well when it stopped working the first time, i was told to write a resolv.conf containing nameserver lines for my dns |
| 14:51.04 | kokkoo | abrotman : so when i reboot and remove the old nic, everything will be good now? :) |
| 14:51.06 | TBBle | Uh. "fails" |
| 14:51.09 | abrotman | kokkoo: no way |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | kokkoo: what is the NIC ? . .the intel one |
| 14:51.22 | TBBle | JMTeal: That's a temporary solution, you realise? |
| 14:51.33 | dr1v3r | i need to iptables -F and then iptables -X before i change the firewall settings dont i |
| 14:51.54 | kokkoo | abrotman : Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
| 14:51.59 | dr1v3r | and then after that i use iptables -L |
| 14:52.01 | dr1v3r | is that correct |
| 14:52.08 | JMTeal | TBB it didn't fail. |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | kokkoo: the whole line |
| 14:52.17 | kokkoo | abrotman : 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05) |
| 14:52.26 | TBBle | JMTeal: Uh... Hmm. Now /etc/init.d/resolvconf restart again? |
| 14:52.27 | JMTeal | i jsut typed that command line and it "worked" |
| 14:52.29 | asg | azeem: you might want to mention that there is a temporary p.d.o up on http://pdo.debian.net/ |
| 14:52.39 | azeem | asg: no |
| 14:52.53 | JMTeal | same.. |
| 14:52.57 | JMTeal | exit code one |
| 14:52.59 | JMTeal | 1 |
| 14:52.59 | azeem | asg: I am not sure about the bandwidth, so I'd rather not have peopl hammering it |
| 14:53.01 | TBBle | JMTeal: With the -i? |
| 14:53.08 | asg | azeem: fair enough |
| 14:53.09 | JMTeal | er... return code 1 |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | asg: and the guy from planet said he told the dns admins |
| 14:53.46 | JMTeal | the -i on libc ... |
| 14:53.48 | JMTeal | right? |
| 14:54.00 | asg | abrotman: told yes, effected action *shrug* |
| 14:54.01 | TBBle | Yeah. |
| 14:54.08 | abrotman | asg: i realize that :) |
| 14:55.02 | azeem | which dns admins? |
| 14:55.05 | deconvolution | asg: I have changed my firewall settings, and it rocks |
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| 14:55.07 | abrotman | kokkoo: i'm trying to see when support was added |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | azeem: debian.org dns admins .. to redirect packages.d.o to pdo.d.n |
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| 14:55.29 | JMTeal | yeah i used -i on the libc command |
| 14:55.33 | TBBle | JMTeal: Ah! |
| 14:55.33 | azeem | abrotman: ah, hrm |
| 14:55.40 | dr1v3r | abrotman i need to iptables -F and then iptables -X before i change the firewall settings dont i |
| 14:55.42 | dr1v3r | and then after that i use iptables -L |
| 14:55.46 | TBBle | JMTeal: Go to /etc/resolvconf/run/interfaces and then try the libc command again. |
| 14:55.49 | dr1v3r | is that correct |
| 14:56.12 | deconvolution | asg: thanks a lot! anyway, how can I enable the firewall to the interface which is connected automatically |
| 14:56.23 | kokkoo | abrotman : oki :) |
| 14:56.25 | JMTeal | i have interface.. |
| 14:56.30 | JMTeal | not interfaces... |
| 14:56.42 | abrotman | dr1v3r: you'd do better to ask #iptables .. but i'm pretty sure -F will flush and not accept *anything* |
| 14:56.42 | TBBle | JMTeal: Ah, so you do. My bad. |
| 14:56.45 | JMTeal | but... run is a symlink to /dev/shm/ .. |
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| 14:56.59 | TBBle | JMTeal: That's OK. You should have something in the interface directory. |
| 14:57.07 | asg | deconvolution: I'd use pre-up and down rules for interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces to load the correct rulesets myself. |
| 14:57.14 | JMTeal | run: symbolic link to `/dev/shm/resolvconf' |
| 14:57.35 | TBBle | JMTeal: Yeah. And in that directory should be an "interface" directory. Go into it. |
| 14:57.40 | JMTeal | yeah... |
| 14:57.45 | JMTeal | ls -> ./ ../ |
| 14:58.01 | TBBle | JMTeal: OK. You are verily boned. |
| 14:58.08 | JMTeal | uhm.. |
| 14:58.14 | abrotman | kokkoo: i'm going to say that the card is too new for Sarge's 2.6.8 |
| 14:58.20 | dr1v3r | :D |
| 14:58.30 | dr1v3r | i have done it, abrotman thank you bud :D |
| 14:58.36 | abrotman | dr1v3r: all working ? |
| 14:58.39 | JMTeal | ? |
| 14:58.55 | kokkoo | abrotman : hm ? when i ran modconf on it, the nic was successfully added. |
| 14:59.03 | JMTeal | ooh... can i make apt reinstall resolvconf? |
| 14:59.05 | TBBle | JMTeal: I dunno. 'start' should create the relevant directory, but it's not. |
| 14:59.06 | dr1v3r | yup, i just iptables -F and then edited the FW rules and the restarted the FW abd then iptables -L |
| 14:59.06 | JMTeal | ? |
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| 14:59.15 | dr1v3r | and now the site is working :d thanks |
| 14:59.17 | TBBle | JMTeal: You could purge and reinstall, I guess. |
| 14:59.35 | chuck22 | hey I have kind of a newb question |
| 14:59.38 | JMTeal | can i do that remotely or do i have to physically log in? |
| 14:59.54 | JMTeal | like will that kill my ssh connection? |
| 15:00.15 | chuck22 | I put debian on my old imac and I need to have it go through a proxy where do I tell it my proxy address |
| 15:00.15 | abrotman | kokkoo: moment |
| 15:00.16 | TBBle | JMTeal: It won't kill the currently-open connection. |
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| 15:00.48 | JMTeal | ok cool... well lemme try that... then reboot and see what's up.. |
| 15:00.50 | lebifteksauvage | i'm searching a good sftp client do you have one ? |
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| 15:01.12 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | Please NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 15:01.18 | azeem | asg: thanks for letting me know |
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| 15:01.56 | asg | azeem: you're welcome |
| 15:01.58 | abrotman | azeem: while you're at it .. remove the kde3.4? .. there are 3.5 packages now :) |
| 15:02.05 | abrotman | !kde3.5 |
| 15:02.09 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 |
| 15:02.10 | dpkg | from memory, kde 3.5 is http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
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| 15:02.20 | JMTeal | TBB ... i guess i should have checked apt first... it was flagged `c' |
| 15:02.23 | *** topic/#debian by azeem -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | Please NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.5 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 15:02.24 | JMTeal | damnit |
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| 15:02.39 | theD3viL | is nero linux in repos ? |
| 15:02.44 | abrotman | !kde3.5 is <reply>see kde 3.5 |
| 15:02.44 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:02.46 | stew | someone better create a kde3.5 factoid then |
| 15:02.47 | abrotman | !kde3.5 |
| 15:02.47 | dpkg | from memory, kde 3.5 is http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ |
| 15:03.13 | abrotman | stew: fast enough? :) |
| 15:03.29 | stew | abrotman: who is that repository for? |
| 15:03.36 | stew | abrotman: etch users? |
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| 15:03.53 | stew | abrotman: isn't kde3.5 in main now? |
| 15:04.05 | abrotman | stew: i'm not even sure it's all the way in sid yet |
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| 15:04.11 | abrotman | where' chealer_ when you want to know about kde |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | !info konqueror sid |
| 15:04.27 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1958 kB, Installed size: 4831 kB |
| 15:04.42 | asg | theD3viL: if it is, it's in non-free. Use apt-cache search <foo> |
| 15:04.53 | theD3viL | asg, tnx. |
| 15:05.04 | abrotman | stew: i'd guess for sarge |
| 15:05.13 | asg | theD3viL: I doubt it has been packaged though, but you could download the tarball and install it in /usr/local |
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| 15:05.35 | theD3viL | asg, okey, tnx... |
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| 15:05.53 | TBBle | JMTeal: Hehe. Oh the pain. But hehe. ^_^ |
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| 15:06.23 | abrotman | kokkoo: sorry .. had to download the kernel-source package to check :) |
| 15:06.32 | kokkoo | abrotman : its np :) |
| 15:06.34 | stew | abrotman: a quick look at the build-dep for kdelibs says you couldn't build that on sarge |
| 15:06.47 | abrotman | stew: maybe we should ask #debian-kde ? |
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| 15:07.01 | JMT34L | TBB well here goes... |
| 15:07.13 | abrotman | stew: yu're right .. the libc requires 2.3.5 |
| 15:07.33 | kokkoo | abrotman : is ifconfig eth0 somehow bound to the old nic (r8169)? (and if so how do i update it to look for the e1000) |
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| 15:08.09 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 is also Not for sarge |
| 15:08.10 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:08.25 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 is also ask #debian-kde |
| 15:08.25 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:08.33 | asg | kokkoo: use /sbin/ifconfig -a to list what interface the kernel has bound the e1000 to; then adjust /etc/network/interfaces accordingly |
| 15:09.07 | abrotman | kokkoo: the header file says |
| 15:09.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.22 | abrotman | so if yours is one of those .. should work |
| 15:09.29 | kokkoo | abrotman : hang on |
| 15:09.34 | JMT34L | TBB that fixed it... i'm such a moron... |
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| 15:10.23 | stew | !kde3.5 =~ s#http#most of kde3.5 is in sid currently, it will take some time for it to move to etch, in the meantime you can use: #http# |
| 15:10.28 | abrotman | kokkoo: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 15:10.40 | stew | !kde3.5 =~ s#http#most of kde3.5 is in sid currently, it will take some time for it to move to etch, in the meantime you can use: http# |
| 15:10.40 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'http', stew |
| 15:10.44 | stew | grr |
| 15:10.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:10.50 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | from memory, kde 3.5 is http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/, or Not for sarge, or ask #debian-kde |
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| 15:11.08 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 s#/,#/ # |
| 15:11.21 | JMT34L | Is there a way in aptitude to make it search for packages that are removed but still have configuration files ?? (c flagged) ?? |
| 15:11.24 | kokkoo | abrotman : it would seem mine is a 82541 rev 5. |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | !kde 3.5 =~ s#/,#/ # |
| 15:11.28 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 15:11.37 | asg | JMT34L: you could just use 'dpkg -l | grep ^rc' |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | kokkoo: not sure that's supported .. |
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| 15:12.23 | abrotman | kokkoo: you can try a kernel from etch .. but i'm not sure that will help |
| 15:12.58 | abrotman | !kde3.5 |
| 15:12.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde 3.5 is most of kde3.5 is in sid currently, it will take some time for it to move to etch, in the meantime you can use: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ or Not for sarge, or ask #debian-kde |
| 15:13.02 | JMT34L | asg... i'm not sure what that did... |
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| 15:13.21 | asg | JMT34L: it should have listed all removed packages that haven't been purged. |
| 15:13.28 | JMT34L | whoa... |
| 15:13.30 | kokkoo | abrotman : on the www.intel.com site i find : Linux* base driver for 2.4.x and 2.6.x kernels for Intel® PRO/1000 family of Desktop and Server adapters. (can/how i install this? ) :) |
| 15:13.43 | JMT34L | aparently here are several... thanks.. |
| 15:13.57 | abrotman | kokkoo: you'd probably have to install the headers package for your kernel .. and then install the driver ... |
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| 15:14.13 | kokkoo | abrotman : ok i will take a look at it :P |
| 15:14.29 | abrotman | kokkoo: alternately .. ask #kernel which kernel should support that nic |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | kokkoo: dmesg | grep -i eth .. really only shows one ? |
| 15:15.00 | kokkoo | abrotman : doesnt show anything. |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | at all ? |
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| 15:16.36 | Simmer | Is here Anyone speak Russian |
| 15:16.40 | asg | !ru |
| 15:16.41 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 15:16.43 | asg | Simmer: ^^^^ |
| 15:16.47 | kokkoo | abrotman : blank output. |
| 15:16.48 | abrotman | Simmer: i speak bostonian .. |
| 15:16.49 | asg | Simmer: the last bit, that is |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | kokkoo: uhm |
| 15:17.15 | asg | abrotman: but you're in Philly? |
| 15:17.28 | asg | abrotman: did you attend the wing eating competition? |
| 15:17.28 | abrotman | !.ru is Russia .. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 15:17.29 | dpkg | ...but .ru is already something else... |
| 15:17.32 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 15:17.46 | abrotman | asg: i'm banned! |
| 15:17.54 | Simmer | Thanks |
| 15:18.03 | asg | abrotman: from Philly or wing eating competitions? |
| 15:18.08 | theD3viL | when i reboot, i get MTTR error...what is it means? |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | asg: no .. i don't really like watching eating contests .. i witnessed one last year in my home town . it's kind of gross |
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| 15:18.17 | kokkoo | abrotman : when i run : dmesg | grep e1000 i get (Ignoring new-style paramaters in presence of obsolete ones |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 15:18.56 | abrotman | asg: i don't eat fast .. but i can eat a lot of food .. |
| 15:19.22 | asg | abrotman: I can't eat a lot of food which is useful except when I get chinese |
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| 15:19.39 | abrotman | asg: a few years ago .. i was in an "eating contest" ... Jerseytown Tavern in PA .. i ate .. 1lb burger .. LARGE side of fries .. and coleslaw |
| 15:20.05 | abrotman | asg: the actual goal was to see how many of the burgers you could eat .. but the burgers were the easy part |
| 15:20.06 | asg | abrotman: did you get it free for performing such a feat? |
| 15:20.29 | abrotman | asg: nope .. but it was only like 7$ :) |
| 15:20.39 | asg | abrotman: not bad |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | asg: this place has really really good cheap food .. and wednesday is bluegrass jam night! |
| 15:20.55 | asg | abrotman: ah, even better. |
| 15:21.06 | abrotman | asg: they make a great liver&onions too |
| 15:21.27 | asg | abrotman: one of the .uk delicacies I wish would never have been imported. |
| 15:21.34 | abrotman | asg: http://www.geocities.com/danvillegerman/elktoss6.html |
| 15:21.40 | abrotman | asg: that was the event .. but 2004 |
| 15:22.03 | asg | abrotman: Elk Tossing? |
| 15:22.07 | jjazz | chkrootkit tells me "eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[2763])". How would I go about investigating this? |
| 15:22.18 | asg | jjazz: that's a false positive |
| 15:22.27 | jjazz | I figured, but how do you know? |
| 15:22.32 | abrotman | asg: well .. it's not a real elk |
| 15:22.53 | asg | jjazz: because dhclient appears as a packet sniffer. |
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| 15:23.09 | asg | abrotman: well that blows. At least we have the Highland games here. |
| 15:23.33 | abrotman | asg: it's actually an excuse for a day of fuckall around town .. |
| 15:23.35 | jjazz | asg: Ah, ok. I wasn't sure what the dhclient reference meant. Thank you. |
| 15:23.58 | asg | jjazz: you're welcome |
| 15:24.01 | abrotman | asg: the year i was eating the burger .. i freaking couldn't drink til 8pm |
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| 15:24.08 | asg | abrotman: never need an excuse for that though. |
| 15:24.15 | possie | reading the man page of vncserver i should be able to startup vncserver, with no arguments, but when i type that command alone, i it doesn't start a Xvnc process at all |
| 15:24.17 | abrotman | asg: but the idea is to eat/drink starting at about 11am .. and stop about 2am :) |
| 15:24.29 | asg | abrotman: stop? I know not the meaning of this word |
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| 15:24.52 | operative | gah! my desktop has started ignoring /etc/hosts, the permissions are fine but its just not looking at the hosts file when I ping etc, any ideas? |
| 15:25.03 | asg | operative: check /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | asg: wait .. i might have pictures! |
| 15:25.14 | asg | hehe |
| 15:25.26 | dr1v3r | anyone know any apache irc channels? |
| 15:25.30 | operative | asg: |
| 15:25.31 | asg | operative: make sure you have 'hosts: files dns' |
| 15:25.35 | operative | hosts: files, dns |
| 15:25.35 | asg | dr1v3r: #apache |
| 15:25.44 | abrotman | asg: wait .. i upload! |
| 15:25.46 | operative | yeah, thats set |
| 15:25.52 | dr1v3r | damn that didnt come up in the search haha |
| 15:25.58 | dr1v3r | tx asg |
| 15:26.01 | asg | dr1v3r: you're welcome |
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| 15:26.33 | asg | operative: hmmmm. When you say 'desktop' what do you mean in this case? |
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| 15:27.07 | operative | just my every day deb box, monitor kb attached etc, one network out |
| 15:27.09 | operative | debian stable |
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| 15:28.03 | sanmarcos | how can I make my init check for fs errors and run the right fsck every time? is there a init script? |
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| 15:28.45 | jjazz | asg: What about this one: "Possible LPD worm installed" It appears right before that packet-sniffing line. |
| 15:29.23 | jjazz | abrotman: It's not my box. |
| 15:29.36 | raboof | jjazz: google for it - iirc it's a known false positive |
| 15:29.43 | abrotman | it is |
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| 15:29.55 | abrotman | false positives suck |
| 15:29.59 | raboof | true |
| 15:29.59 | abrotman | like that time with the rash |
| 15:30.00 | asg | jjazz: also, you might what to cross check with 'rkhunter' |
| 15:30.11 | raboof | missed positives are worse though :) |
| 15:30.37 | jjazz | raboof: Ya, I see that it's sometimes a false positive. But how do you *know*? |
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| 15:30.54 | abrotman | jjazz: i thik there are like three that with debian .. always happen |
| 15:31.08 | asg | jjazz: find out what the LPD worm does and manually verify that it isn't doing that. |
| 15:31.10 | jjazz | abrotman: A friend of mine had a false positive with a rash. Thought he had herpes for about a 8 months... that sucked. |
| 15:31.28 | jjazz | asg: that's a good idea. |
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| 15:31.43 | abrotman | jjazz: sucked why? because he had to keep his pants on ? :) |
| 15:31.50 | asg | jjazz: had your friend not sucked, a rash would probably not have occurred ;) |
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| 15:32.27 | bnoji | Whats the easiest way to extract a source RPM for building in sid? |
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| 15:32.45 | bnoji | I'm trying to install xephem 3.7 and i can only find a source RPM |
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| 15:33.00 | rambo3 | e.t. |
| 15:33.28 | kokkoo | abrotman : is there a quick how-to guide for installing custom kernel in sarge? :) |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | man rpm .. there sohuld be a way to extract it |
| 15:33.39 | molin | how do I install a Debian package into a different file system, say, /mnt/gnu? |
| 15:33.43 | sanmarcos | how can I make my init check for fs errors and run the right fsck every time? is there a init script? |
| 15:33.59 | abrotman | !tell kokkoo about kp |
| 15:34.18 | abrotman | sanmarcos: touch /forcefsck |
| 15:34.22 | jjazz | abrotman: It sucked because he thought his dating pool had narrowed to girls with herpes. So he dated within this pool for a few months, which was depressing. And then he found out he *didn't* have herpes, and was just glad that he hadn't caught it during the months he spent *only dating people with herpes*. |
| 15:34.35 | asg | molin: man dpkg-divert |
| 15:34.44 | jjazz | asg: Ah... I found the cause of the false positive and removed it. |
| 15:34.51 | molin | asg: thanks! |
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| 15:34.56 | abrotman | jjazz: that's like "Oh fuck .. YES! .. uh .. shit" :) |
| 15:34.59 | sanmarcos | abrotman: thats it? I thought there was an init script |
| 15:35.03 | asg | jjazz: cool |
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| 15:35.26 | jjazz | abrotman: Exactly. |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | and my productivity just hit rockbottom wiht that single line :) |
| 15:35.54 | scooby | Does anyone know where to get support for the BIRD daemon that is not included in Sarge in place of ROUTED? |
| 15:36.05 | scooby | The BIRD mailing list is useless. |
| 15:36.05 | abrotman | jjazz: now .. i don't have herpes . but is there a dating service for herpes people? |
| 15:36.10 | theD3viL | when i reboot, i get MTTR error...what is it means? |
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| 15:37.04 | molin | asg: so will I have to add every file in the packge to the diversion list? |
| 15:37.20 | jjazz | abrotman: Yes. It's like match.com for people with herpes. It's a really sad place. |
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| 15:37.36 | jjazz | theD3viL: What's the specific error? |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm sure it is .. weird |
| 15:37.46 | asg | molin: yes. The other option would be to get the src deb and compile it with an alternate --prefix= |
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| 15:38.23 | molin | asg: okay, thanks. Maybe allowing dpkg -i --prefix=/mnt/gnu would be a good idea? |
| 15:38.33 | jjazz | abrotman: Well, it's like the carnival of damaged goods. It's hard enough to find good people in the world at large. When you narrow your choices to along such an arbitrary axis, it's really hard to find somebody with whom you have anything in common except that you both messed up. |
| 15:38.58 | asg | molin: might be worth a try, I forgot about that option |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm sure herpes happens to good looking people too |
| 15:39.24 | molin | asg: I don't know if it actually exists, I just thought it would be nice if it did :-) |
| 15:39.32 | asg | molin: sadly it doesn't ;) |
| 15:39.45 | molin | asg: damn :-) |
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| 15:40.20 | asg | molin: there may be a better way but I don't know it offhand. |
| 15:40.53 | jjazz | abrotman: It's not about who is good looking. It was about not being able to find people that met his generally high standards. |
| 15:41.02 | jjazz | (and also people who share his interests) |
| 15:41.06 | abrotman | jjazz: oh .. that's even worse :) |
| 15:41.36 | jjazz | abrotman: He kept going out on horrible dates and then being depressed because he thought this was just his lot in life forever. |
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| 15:41.59 | abrotman | jjazz: holy crap .. that is pretty bad |
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| 15:42.41 | sanmarcos | how can I make a script in my /etc/init.d start/stop on all rc.X ? |
| 15:42.42 | jjazz | Yeah. Thankfully, the nightmare ended for him. |
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| 15:43.06 | elad_ | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 15:43.08 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 15:43.33 | freecraft | Mardus: hi :) |
| 15:44.17 | loxley | sanmarcos: man update-rc.d |
| 15:44.23 | jjazz | Hmm.. there's a bug filed against chrootkit about this false positive. The solution to this is to look in the lpd worm source and adjust the regex in chkrootkit. I'd like to fix it, but I have no idea how one gets source for the LPD worm. Any ideas? |
| 15:44.46 | Mardus | I could get CUPS working today, and even got testpages, but I can't print from a program. I think there's something to do with permissions. |
| 15:44.53 | sanmarcos | loxley: thanks |
| 15:44.58 | asg | jjazz: google lpd worm source code |
| 15:45.01 | jjazz | Mardus: check the error logs |
| 15:45.03 | freecraft | guys I can't run MIDI files :/ help me please I need it to run SongWrite :( |
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| 15:45.36 | mynullvoid | hello |
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| 15:45.41 | jjazz | asg: I did... just get pages about chkrootkit! I thought there might be a repo of harmful stuff with lots of caution tape around it. |
| 15:45.43 | The_Only` | hi |
| 15:46.02 | jjazz | (or a website) |
| 15:46.29 | asg | jjazz: packetstorm.com may have code |
| 15:46.49 | jjazz | asg: I'll look there. Thanks. |
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| 15:46.54 | The_Only` | instead of deleting a symlink i deleted by mistake /dev/dsp... is there a way to bring it back ? (Debian 3.1 "sarge", stable) |
| 15:47.03 | elad_ | hi, how do i rebuild the nvidia kenel module? |
| 15:47.09 | asg | The_Only`: man MAKEDEV |
| 15:47.24 | elad_ | kernel* |
| 15:47.28 | jjazz | googling "lpd worm" "source code" -chkrootkit turns up 3 results, none of which are useful. I love Google's efficiency. |
| 15:47.29 | mynullvoid | why is that I am getting email where the FROM: Mohd@xtenbit.com,Hamim@xtenbit.com,Talib@xtenbit.com <--- but xtenbit.com is my domain |
| 15:47.37 | The_Only` | asg, |
| 15:47.38 | The_Only` | ethereal:/dev# MAKEDEV sound |
| 15:47.39 | The_Only` | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "sound" |
| 15:47.39 | The_Only` | ethereal:/dev# |
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| 15:47.50 | The_Only` | oops |
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| 15:47.53 | asg | The_Only: MAKEDEV audio |
| 15:48.02 | molin | asg: hmm, what did you say about --prefix? Stuff is still getting installed into like /usr/share and stuff |
| 15:48.23 | The_Only` | asg, thank you (; |
| 15:48.35 | asg | molin: in the source package's debian/rules file? |
| 15:48.38 | molin | asg: did you mean the --prefix option of the configure script? |
| 15:48.45 | asg | molin: yes |
| 15:49.14 | molin | asg: yeah, I added that to the rules file, but I guess all the Debian scripts are putting it into /usr/share |
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| 15:49.37 | molin | take /usr/share/doc/gnumach/README.Debian |
| 15:50.00 | sanmarcos | what is the difference between sysv-rc-conf bum and rcconf? |
| 15:50.31 | molin | asg: anyway, nevermind, thanks for your help |
| 15:50.31 | asg | sanmarcos: rcconf is older, sysv-rc-conf is newer and buggier, nfc regarding bum. |
| 15:50.45 | asg | molin: sure. Hope you get it working |
| 15:50.56 | sanmarcos | asg: I guess Ill giev them all a try |
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| 15:51.13 | asg | sanmarcos: that's the spirit :) |
| 15:51.14 | sanmarcos | asg: btw, what is runlevel S? |
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| 15:51.25 | codept | excuse me, just asking what screen recorder for debian? |
| 15:51.28 | molin | asg: thanks again |
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| 15:51.45 | asg | sanmarcos: man 8 init |
| 15:51.48 | JMT34L | is there a way to change a file's modified date from command line? |
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| 15:52.01 | hmm1 | JMT34L touch |
| 15:52.03 | asg | JMT34L: man touch |
| 15:52.07 | JMT34L | thx |
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| 15:52.24 | Mardus | jjazz: The error logs don't show anything with my username. |
| 15:52.41 | sanmarcos | asg: thanks, what is the 8 for in the man line? |
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| 15:53.08 | asg | sanmarcos: the section of the manpage |
| 15:53.20 | asg | sanmarcos: man man (for the list of available sections) |
| 15:53.35 | sanmarcos | sysv-rc-conf is just a little more advanced, bum is a gtk2 UI, hopefully with this I willb e able to clean up my horrible init sequence |
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| 15:56.13 | sanmarcos | what is the difference between klogd and syslogd? (one for kernel and the other for system events ?) |
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| 15:56.37 | JMT34L | when i log in thru ssh, then do login -f to switch users, for some reason when i log out, my system still shows the user logged in... i have tried slay... any way to manually log a user out? |
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| 15:57.07 | sanmarcos | JMT34L: exit ? |
| 15:57.21 | JMT34L | i mean from root |
| 15:57.21 | sanmarcos | JMT34L: or you could kill its bash procces with pgrep user process |
| 15:57.37 | JMT34L | i have used slay... the user has no processes |
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| 15:57.50 | JMT34L | but who shows them logged in |
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| 15:57.57 | sanmarcos | JMT34L: who ? |
| 15:58.11 | JMT34L | yeah who |
| 15:58.21 | sanmarcos | I mean the command who |
| 15:58.35 | JMT34L | yeah so do i |
| 15:58.40 | asg | who's on first |
| 15:58.42 | sanmarcos | what is the problem ? |
| 15:58.44 | JMT34L | jesus |
| 15:58.53 | azeem | this is so dude, where is my car |
| 15:59.05 | asg | haven't seen that one yet |
| 15:59.22 | azeem | JMT34L: slaying them probably deprives them of the opportunity to deregister with who |
| 15:59.27 | JMT34L | the problem is, who (the program) shows a user logged in... i have used slay to kill all processes for that user... |
| 15:59.34 | asg | JMT34L: who just reads from /var/log/utmp. It probably didn't get updated correctly. |
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| 16:00.07 | hmm1 | whats slay |
| 16:00.08 | JMT34L | no this is even after using exit... |
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| 16:00.25 | asg | hmm1: quick and dirty lart |
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| 16:00.44 | asg | hmm1: /msg dpkg info slay sarge |
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| 16:01.21 | JMT34L | ex: i log in under one acct, use login -f to log into a second... after i exit the second, the user is still logged in, according to who, also according to deluser (can't del logged in user |
| 16:01.23 | JMT34L | ) |
| 16:02.15 | asg | JMT34L: The login program is NOT responsible for removing users from the utmp file (from the manpage) |
| 16:02.34 | asg | JMT34L: 3rd paragraph under CAVEATS |
| 16:02.38 | JMT34L | yeah, but exit should... |
| 16:02.41 | JMT34L | right? |
| 16:02.54 | Althaser | ?? debhelper |
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| 16:03.02 | Althaser | debhelper |
| 16:03.08 | asg | JMT34L: no, getty and init perform the cleanup. Try using 'exec login -f' and see if you get a different result |
| 16:03.13 | azeem | Althaser: what's with debhelper? |
| 16:03.15 | The_Only` | asg, /dev/dsp still does not appear and /dev/audio is now missing too (using MAKEDEV audio) |
| 16:03.21 | Alias_ | I'm having some trouble installing Perl modules direct from CPAN |
| 16:03.30 | JMT34L | ok... |
| 16:03.31 | asg | Alias_: that is a good way to destroy your system |
| 16:03.34 | Alias_ | For some reason debian has installed perl.h, but nothing that perl.h needs |
| 16:03.41 | Althaser | azeem nevermind ;) it is dpkg that I want ;) thanks |
| 16:03.43 | Alias_ | asg: I need some things that debian doesn't have |
| 16:03.56 | asg | Alias_: then use dh-make-perl to generate a deb from a module from CPAN |
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| 16:04.28 | hmm1 | what is bluetooth |
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| 16:04.37 | asg | hmm1: crappy wireless protocol |
| 16:04.44 | Alias_ | hmm1: A short-range wireless protocol |
| 16:04.47 | sanmarcos | !tell hmm1 about bluetooth |
| 16:04.54 | hmm1 | its a layer2 protocol? |
| 16:04.56 | bnoji | Used Alien to convert to deb and im going to try to install it. |
| 16:04.59 | hmm1 | wireless doesnt work with ethernet? |
| 16:05.07 | JMT34L | ok when i do exec login -f when i exit, it logs my original login out too |
| 16:05.09 | JMT34L | ? |
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| 16:05.23 | asg | JMT34L: yes, that's because 'exec' wipes out the current process space with the new one |
| 16:05.46 | JMT34L | i wanna be able to log into a user acct, then exit... and still be logged in to the original |
| 16:05.47 | asg | JMT34L: causing init to handle the /var/log/utmp update. |
| 16:05.55 | asg | JMT34L: then use su - <user> |
| 16:06.07 | Alias_ | oh for fuck sakes |
| 16:06.17 | Alias_ | Is the whole world on a verification kick or something |
| 16:06.28 | JMT34L | ? |
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| 16:06.38 | JMT34L | alias_ well actually yes |
| 16:06.40 | Alias_ | apt-get refuses to update because it can't authentication the updates, and suggests I apt-get update |
| 16:06.42 | asg | Alias_: press 1, enter your pin, and hit #? |
| 16:06.49 | asg | Alias_: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 16:07.03 | Alias_ | I wouldn't be so annoyed if all this new authentication stuff didn't fail horribly all the time |
| 16:07.11 | Alias_ | CPAN just did the same thing |
| 16:07.18 | SimonRaven | it doesn't |
| 16:07.18 | blondie | Win9X and NT5 eh |
| 16:07.21 | blondie | *4 |
| 16:07.28 | sanmarcos | when I startup my computer, and I pass to the kernel the vga=794 option (for seeing a framebuffer init) somehow the screen is offset by a few inches to the left, any ideas? since with X it displays it normally, so it has to be a fb problem |
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| 16:07.58 | asg | sanmarcos: the monitor is probably needs adjusting for that scan rate |
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| 16:08.07 | hmm1 | asg bluetooth is layer2? |
| 16:08.08 | asg | sanmarcos: try vga=791 to see if that fixes it |
| 16:08.14 | sanmarcos | asg: Ill try, thanks :) |
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| 16:08.20 | asg | hmm1: nfc, try bluetooth.com |
| 16:08.21 | raboof | hmm1: what do you mean by 'layer2'? |
| 16:08.33 | asg | raboof: OSI model |
| 16:08.35 | hmm1 | raboof if its a layer2 protocol |
| 16:08.38 | hmm1 | like ethernet |
| 16:08.56 | asg | raboof: TCP/IP is layer 3, ethernet is layer 2 |
| 16:09.07 | hmm1 | ask ip is layer3 |
| 16:09.11 | hmm1 | tcp is layer4 |
| 16:09.30 | raboof | asg: I know the OSI model, but it doesn't fit all that nicely onto the real world... |
| 16:09.30 | asg | hmm1: I was using the lazy model but you are right |
| 16:09.30 | hmm1 | *asg |
| 16:09.49 | sanmarcos | asg: also I have a file in /var/lock/console/ which I cant remove, even as root, any ideas? (since it complains about it on startup) |
| 16:09.52 | asg | raboof: he's asking if he can do tcp/ip over bluetooth, which I think you can. |
| 16:10.02 | asg | sanmarcos: lsattr /var/lock/console |
| 16:10.15 | mrverbose | how can i access a box from a serial console? |
| 16:10.24 | sanmarcos | asg: ----i------------ /var/lock/console/marccd |
| 16:10.32 | mrverbose | do i need a special kernel module for that? |
| 16:10.33 | asg | sanmarcos: if it has some of the extended flags set, use chatter to remove the 'i' |
| 16:10.49 | asg | sanmarcos: i == immutable. Not even root can delete it without removing the flag |
| 16:11.00 | sanmarcos | asg: fs stuff, ok let me read man chattr |
| 16:11.11 | asg | mrverbose: it requires kernel support, yes |
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| 16:11.27 | mrverbose | asg: does stock kernel 2.6 have that support in sarge? |
| 16:11.34 | Alias_ | I'm not entirely sure dh-make-perl is going to help my problem here |
| 16:11.38 | asg | mrverbose: yes |
| 16:11.42 | Alias_ | Because it's going to have the same errors as cpan installation |
| 16:11.43 | mrverbose | and what module is there to load` |
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| 16:11.53 | asg | mrverbose: iirc, it's compiled in the kernel |
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| 16:11.56 | Alias_ | namely, perl.h exists, but nothing perl.h needs exists |
| 16:11.57 | mrverbose | ah ok |
| 16:12.00 | asg | mrverbose: either way, google for serial console howto |
| 16:12.04 | sanmarcos | asg: chattr -i did it, thanks :) |
| 16:12.04 | dr1v3r | anyone know why the apache2 from apt-get and the apache from pache.org is different? why the httpd.conf is missing over 100 lines of information? |
| 16:12.05 | asg | mrverbose: that should get you going. |
| 16:12.08 | asg | sanmarcos: you're welcome |
| 16:12.22 | adlpaf | the sound card of my computer doesn't sound, what do I have to do??? |
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| 16:12.31 | asg | adlpaf: /msg dpkg sound |
| 16:12.36 | SimonRaven | you can do tcp/ip over bluetooth. someone in #debianppc sometimes does his internet via his cell phone |
| 16:12.36 | The_Only` | any idea how to fix the error "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." ? I have the nVidia drivers successfully installed without any problems ? |
| 16:12.38 | asg | adlpaf: start with those suggestings first |
| 16:12.44 | VivekVC | Can we move gpg keys across machines or is it machine specific |
| 16:13.04 | asg | VivekVC: you should be able to move them. I keep a backup of mine on a USB key |
| 16:13.16 | adlpaf | asg, thank you!!! |
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| 16:14.01 | The_Only` | also the glx module is loaded |
| 16:14.05 | VivekVC | asg: Which all files do you backup ?, the .gnupg folder ? |
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| 16:15.19 | VivekVC | asg: The .gnupg folder |
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| 16:16.53 | mrverbose | ok, serial console howto parsed, but how do i log in now, i have a zero-modem-cable an usb->serial converter and of course minicom |
| 16:17.06 | simonn | from libgsm-1.0.10/debian/copyright: [...] Any use of this software is permitted provided that this notice is not removed and [...] |
| 16:17.37 | simonn | The right to distribute libgsm isnt written there. |
| 16:17.43 | jjazz | asg: Found the worm source and patched chkrootkit. Thanks. |
| 16:17.53 | simonn | is distribution included in the term "Any use"? |
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| 16:18.56 | thingfish | good question...does "distribution" count as "use". |
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| 16:20.13 | raboof | so if you'd distribute it without that notice the receivers can't use it? ;) |
| 16:20.33 | thingfish | it looks that way. |
| 16:20.44 | LiamH | How do you find the differences between two source packages when the changelog info gives insufficient detail? |
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| 16:20.46 | jjazz | how would they know? |
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| 16:21.12 | simonn | should I drop a line about it on debian-legal? |
| 16:21.43 | thingfish | simonn: if you need clarification...I would. |
| 16:21.44 | raboof | so probably you can derive that you must include that notice, since otherwise you'd be tricking your users into doing something wrong |
| 16:22.04 | raboof | but that's just me guessing, there are probably smarter people than me that can say things about that ;) |
| 16:22.07 | jjazz | If you have real concerns, just email the package maintainer. |
| 16:22.09 | asg | VivekVC: yes, ~/.gnupg |
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| 16:22.49 | raden | I run suse and thinking of switching to debian is there a firewall configuration tool in debian ? |
| 16:22.55 | jjazz | raden: yes |
| 16:22.56 | asg | raden: several |
| 16:23.02 | Rawplayer | MI |
| 16:23.03 | raden | kewl |
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| 16:25.17 | bowman | heya :) I've just installed 2.6.12 from the corresponding debian packages, now pwc modules are available only for 2.6.14 - what do I do? |
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| 16:27.09 | Alias_ | Can I turn off the security checks in apt-get? |
| 16:27.26 | raden | why is debian 14 cd's ? |
| 16:27.29 | Alias_ | apt-get update fails because of bad or missing public keys and suggests up apt-get update |
| 16:27.30 | VivekVC | asg: Thanjs |
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| 16:27.50 | js_ | raden: you only need a few floppies if you got an internet connection and not too strange hardware |
| 16:27.59 | chealer_ | raden: because Debian 3.1's binary size doesn't fix in less than 14 CDs |
| 16:28.05 | chealer_ | s/fix/fit |
| 16:28.08 | raden | lol |
| 16:28.58 | Alias_ | So any thoughts on getting apt-get past this public key problem? |
| 16:29.18 | chealer_ | Alias_: did you see /topic ? |
| 16:29.21 | blondie | Alias_: read the topic |
| 16:29.43 | Alias_ | any particular bit of it? |
| 16:29.49 | blondie | yes |
| 16:30.00 | blondie | but you can work out which part yourself |
| 16:30.00 | raden | if you can read it should be obvious |
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| 16:34.27 | adlpaf | asg, It doesn't sound yet, what can I do??? |
| 16:35.20 | strider_ | is there an alternative to mozilla-acroread. I just noticed that it has a dependency of acroread-escipt and I don't want JS |
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| 16:36.34 | adlpaf | somebody can tell me how I can configure the my computer sound card??? |
| 16:36.39 | asg | adlpaf: if you type 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' what happens? |
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| 16:37.52 | raboof | asg: always a nice test (be sure to check the volume first though :)) |
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| 16:38.08 | adlpaf | it sound like a tv not sintonized |
| 16:38.23 | asg | raboof: if it runs but he doesn't hear a horrible noise, then the volume / mixer settings are bad. |
| 16:38.37 | chealer_ | strider_: an alternative that does what? |
| 16:38.42 | Protocol1 | adlpaf: try using ubuntu |
| 16:38.56 | loxley | Protocol1: err, wrong answer |
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| 16:38.57 | asg | adlpaf: then your sound works. The question now is what you were try to do involving sound that failed. |
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| 16:39.11 | Protocol1 | lol |
| 16:39.15 | sanmarcos | is there a way for xterm -e not to quit when the program is finished? |
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| 16:39.20 | asg | sanmarcos: yes |
| 16:39.32 | Protocol1 | i use it....never had sound problems |
| 16:39.38 | sanmarcos | asg: ? |
| 16:39.57 | raboof | asg: I know. I remember doing that with the volume turned way up once (the problem was elsewhere) :) |
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| 16:40.00 | sanmarcos | asg: I was looking through the xterm man page for another option than -e, since it seems to quit once the program is done |
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| 16:40.04 | asg | sanmarcos: -hold |
| 16:40.05 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 16:40.05 | blondie | sanmarcos: your question was answered correctly |
| 16:40.08 | bowman | hm. anyone else using a philips pvcv750k webcam? I have some trouble getting it to work on the 2.6 kernel, I don't want to compile a patched kernel :-) if the pwc module package is for 2.6.14 I cannot use it with 2.6.12 kernel package, right? |
| 16:40.19 | adlpaf | asg, Ok!!! It's working, but the music doesn't play |
| 16:40.22 | sanmarcos | asg: thanks :) |
| 16:40.27 | phyrster | are there any program's that can capture webcam pictures? |
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| 16:40.39 | asg | adlpaf: which music? what application? |
| 16:40.53 | chealer_ | Protocol1: the question wasn't about your experience. "how do I fix foo?" here implies "how can I fix foo in Debian?" |
| 16:41.43 | adlpaf | asg, xmms |
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| 16:41.44 | asg | adlpaf: then make sure you have chosen an output plugin that corresponds to your audio subsystem (OSS or Alsa) |
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| 16:41.47 | adlpaf | asg, with both I have the same problem |
| 16:42.12 | Protocol1 | chealer_: I was trying to be sarcastic...:) |
| 16:42.15 | loxley | phyrster: apt-cache search webcam, quite a few there :) |
| 16:42.16 | asg | adlpaf: do you not get audio or does it just say that you can't access /dev/dsp? |
| 16:42.23 | strider_ | chealer_: it uses acrobat reader to view pdf's say within Firefox. But Marillat seems to have added a dependency for acroread-escripts, which allows JS use. see: http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/ |
| 16:42.32 | asg | adlpaf: if the latter, run 'fuser /dev/dsp' as root and see what is holding onto the sound device. |
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| 16:42.57 | chealer_ | Protocol1: ok, but that wasn't clear |
| 16:43.00 | jeffrin | how to configure a IrDA USB dongle ... is kernel stuff enough |
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| 16:43.29 | strider_ | jeffrin: get irda-utils as well |
| 16:43.56 | chealer_ | strider_: acrobat reader is non-free...try Google |
| 16:44.20 | jeffrin | strider : ok |
| 16:44.37 | strider_ | yeah, just wanted a FREE alternative :) |
| 16:44.45 | asg | strider_: xpdf, gpdf |
| 16:44.45 | quitte | im having a problem with reprepro. i maged to make it download all _all.deb files from sid/main into my sh3 repository. but thats too much data. so i wanted to limit it to a few sections. but the filter rules are not used as a chain. it downloads all i38 packages from the selected sections and all _all.deb files now. |
| 16:45.01 | asg | strider_: evince is another option |
| 16:45.08 | mrverbose | asg serial console seems to work so far, however i found a howto saying i should hava a file called /etc/ioctl.save |
| 16:45.27 | mrverbose | and the way its described i cannot generate it |
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| 16:45.33 | chealer_ | strider_: well, what do you want? an application that can view PDFs in Firefox? |
| 16:45.42 | asg | mrverbose: I've never heard mention of that myself. I wouldn't worry about it unless something isn't working. |
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| 16:46.14 | strider_ | asg: evince is great! guess i don't really need to view pdf in firefox |
| 16:46.17 | Mardus | Problem: I can print a test page through CUPS (when logged into a web interface as root), but can't print anything from any program as a normal user. |
| 16:46.18 | mrverbose | asg: well, i suppose having a serial console has something to do with fixing something when there is a problem |
| 16:46.33 | mrverbose | and it would be difficult if there was a problem with the serial console |
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| 16:46.50 | strider_ | chealer_: yes, but I can live without it. no biggie |
| 16:46.54 | asg | mrverbose: true |
| 16:46.56 | mrverbose | Without a /etc/ioctl.save containing the saved terminal settings, init assumes a directly attached terminal running at 9600bps with 8 data bits, no parity, 1 stop bit and no flow control. Configure your terminal with these settings. |
| 16:47.03 | mrverbose | this is what the howto says |
| 16:47.07 | chealer_ | strider_: then try xpdf, kpdf, gpdf, evince, etc. |
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| 16:47.27 | mrverbose | and they suggest booting to single-user mode and issue one command, and i did that without having such a file |
| 16:47.28 | asg | mrverbose: oh, I've always just set those directly in the getty line in /etc/inittab. |
| 16:47.46 | mrverbose | asg: i guess this is for the case that even wouldnt work |
| 16:48.01 | mrverbose | but i am no serial-console expert |
| 16:48.04 | asg | mrverbose: maybe. The howto may be old and such functionality isn't required anymore. |
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| 16:48.12 | strider_ | chealer_: thanks. use em already. evince is actually quite good,that i have ditched Acrobat Reader |
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| 16:49.59 | jeffrin | strider_ : kernel does not show the name of my USB dongle |
| 16:50.10 | Xander | :D |
| 16:50.33 | Xander | bah |
| 16:50.36 | Xander | no ones answered my post |
| 16:50.57 | mrverbose | asg: The terminal settings saved in /etc/ioctl.save will be used if the machine boots into single user mode for any reason. |
| 16:50.59 | strider_ | jeffrin: compiling a custom kernel? |
| 16:51.04 | mrverbose | this is what the howto says |
| 16:51.04 | Mardus | Xander: Neither has no-one answered mine. |
| 16:51.10 | asg | mrverbose: oh, okay. Interesting. |
| 16:51.18 | Xander | whats your post Mardus? |
| 16:51.18 | Mardus | Xander: * That is, neither has _anyone_... |
| 16:51.21 | Xander | lol |
| 16:51.27 | jeffrin | strider_ : yes . why ? |
| 16:51.48 | Mardus | Xander: I can print a test page through CUPS, but can't print from a program as normal user. |
| 16:51.59 | Xander | oh right |
| 16:52.02 | Xander | beyond me :p |
| 16:52.02 | djp | i want to be able to use a script that when run will manipulate the selected file, not the whole directory (as it does at present). what do i need to add to my script in order for it to only work in relation to the file that is selected? |
| 16:52.02 | asg | Mardus: which programs? |
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| 16:52.16 | strider_ | jeffrin: then, remember to enable the right configs |
| 16:52.18 | asg | djp: try #bash |
| 16:52.39 | Xander | !nvidia on-liner |
| 16:52.42 | Xander | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:52.42 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 16:52.47 | djp | asg, oh sorry, thanks |
| 16:53.21 | Mardus | Mardus: Ah well, I think all of them. Ted only has "print to file", AbiWord seems to have a font problem and with Netscape 4.x I seemed to get something with some print command that I forgot, but then I got a "permission denied". |
| 16:53.25 | Mardus | Drat |
| 16:53.26 | jeffrin | strider_ : USB dongle for Mobile Action Technology is not show in kernel |
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| 16:53.46 | chealer_ | !tell Xander about msg the bot |
| 16:54.02 | Xander | cheers |
| 16:54.16 | Mardus | asg: Ted only has "print to file"; AbiWord has a font problem, Netscape, with possibly a correct print command, has "permission denied" |
| 16:54.25 | asg | Mardus: after installing cups, did you also install cupsys-bsd and/or cupsys-client |
| 16:54.44 | abrotman | chealer_: you know .. you could have "/msg dpkg tell Xander about msg the bot" |
| 16:54.56 | Xander | lol |
| 16:55.01 | Xander | hey abrotman |
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| 16:55.34 | abrotman | asg: that's a big jacket .. i can eat burgers! |
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| 16:55.55 | asg | abrotman: as you have demonstrated |
| 16:56.02 | dusty | Hey guys im running kernel 2.6.15-1-686 #2 how do i install the sources for it? like /usr/src/linux/include files, im trying to get vmware to work? |
| 16:56.09 | dusty | Whats the package i need to install called? |
| 16:56.12 | abrotman | asg: have you ever heard of Denny's Beer Barrel pub or Clinton Diner? |
| 16:56.14 | asg | dusty: run m-a prepare |
| 16:56.19 | dusty | asg, ? |
| 16:56.20 | asg | abrotman: no |
| 16:56.22 | Xander | apt-get install kernel-sources-2.6.15 |
| 16:56.40 | abrotman | asg: http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/ .. click on Burgers |
| 16:56.40 | asg | dusty: module-assistant prepare. It will make sure you have everything you need to compile modules for that kernel. |
| 16:56.43 | dusty | E: Couldn't find package kernel-sources-2.6.15 |
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| 16:56.54 | asg | abrotman: oh, is that the one with the 3lb burger or something? |
| 16:57.01 | abrotman | asg: it's near my Uni .. but i never went there |
| 16:57.03 | abrotman | asg: yeah |
| 16:57.07 | dusty | nah i wanna install the source package what is it called? |
| 16:57.07 | Mardus | asg: I think I installed with Synaptic. |
| 16:57.08 | Mardus | asg: Ah well, dpkg -S showed that none was found. Install them? |
| 16:57.35 | asg | Mardus: yes, that should give abiword et. al. a /usr/bin/lp or /usr/bin/lpr command to link to cups |
| 16:57.45 | Mardus | dusty: Perhaps kernel.org should help you out. |
| 16:57.55 | Mardus | asg: Ok. |
| 16:58.04 | Xander | how do i update my kernel? |
| 16:58.12 | chealer_ | abrotman: I didn't know that worked, but there's a reason we have "!" too |
| 16:58.13 | asg | Xander: define 'update' |
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| 16:58.15 | strider_ | dusty: just get the corresponding headers |
| 16:58.21 | dusty | linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 16:58.21 | Xander | put version number higher |
| 16:58.26 | dusty | got it :) |
| 16:58.34 | Xander | mines 2.4.27 |
| 16:58.43 | rambo3 | right click on kernel andchange its name to higher number |
| 16:58.47 | asg | Xander: apt-get install kernel-image. Pick and install one that suits |
| 16:58.52 | Xander | k |
| 16:58.57 | Xander | where can i find out differences? |
| 16:59.05 | chealer_ | !tell abrotman about hiding |
| 16:59.08 | strider_ | jeffrin: don't have that dongle. It may not be exactly mentioned by name in the kernel. Check google |
| 16:59.08 | abrotman | Xander: what's your cpu ? |
| 16:59.13 | Xander | (CPU) 1-AMD Athlon™ XP 2200+, 1799MHz, 256KB (0% Load) |
| 16:59.18 | abrotman | use a -k7 |
| 16:59.27 | Xander | k |
| 16:59.33 | asg | abrotman: he has 0% load, the i386 kernel should be sufficient :p |
| 16:59.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:59.42 | Xander | ignore the load |
| 16:59.51 | asg | Xander: we did, we were just joking |
| 16:59.52 | Xander | im running debian through vmware |
| 16:59.55 | Xander | and its not turned on :p |
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| 17:00.09 | Xander | k, ill do k7 |
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| 17:00.19 | jeffrin | ok |
| 17:00.21 | rambo3 | asg so -386 would not work on athlon xp ? |
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| 17:00.25 | opnsrc | Is there an application launcher that will allow me to choose a directory as being the path of applications to choose from |
| 17:00.28 | asg | rambo3: it would |
| 17:00.29 | opnsrc | IE: Like how Microsoft Windows does it |
| 17:00.31 | Xander | ya it does |
| 17:00.39 | opnsrc | Because the current ones are very buggy and hard to modify without something going wrong |
| 17:00.53 | asg | opnsrc: it's called an xterm |
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| 17:01.35 | opnsrc | I understand I can modify directories with xterm but the current application launchers that comes with KDE and Gnome don't use that |
| 17:02.15 | opnsrc | I want an application launcher that lets me choose a directory as being the applications where if I click it it pops up menus from those directories |
| 17:02.44 | opnsrc | Just like how Windows does it, that's one thing they did right (it's not buggy) |
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| 17:04.03 | raboof | opnsrc: i guess you could make a script that does "cd somewhere ; /path/to/application" |
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| 17:04.35 | raboof | generally unix gui apps are independent of in what directory they're run |
| 17:04.54 | raboof | thus another option would be 'fix the application', i guess :) |
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| 17:08.37 | elSinuX | hello do yo know the chanel for Power Pc archictectres? |
| 17:08.47 | asg | elSinuX: #debianppc |
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| 17:09.42 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 17:10.38 | phyrster | gnomemeeting can use my webcam but other programs say that 'can't find /dev/video' |
| 17:11.05 | phyrster | I have loaded the kernel module driver for my web cam, why no device '/dev/video'? |
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| 17:11.50 | asg | phyrster: create a symlink from /dev/video to the real device name |
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| 17:12.01 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 17:12.12 | jeffrin | strider_ : are you there ? |
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| 17:13.44 | rredd4 | when i logout of gnome or kde, I get a black screen. Ctl-alt-bksp does the same thing. how come it does this? |
| 17:13.59 | rredd4 | using sarge |
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| 17:14.06 | zinx | rredd4: bad video drivers |
| 17:14.10 | phyrster | asg: how do I know the real device name? i am using spca webcam. |
| 17:14.14 | asg | rredd4: are you using non-standard video drivers (nvidia, ati)? |
| 17:14.21 | rredd4 | vesa |
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| 17:14.30 | asg | rredd4: are you using a framebuffer console? |
| 17:14.31 | zinx | rredd4: what card? |
| 17:14.48 | rredd4 | I have mobo card |
| 17:14.50 | asg | phyrster: see if there is /dev/video{0-63} |
| 17:14.53 | rredd4 | no pci card |
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| 17:15.10 | rredd4 | asg: no |
| 17:15.16 | zinx | rredd4: it's still a pci or agp video card, even if it's built-in to the motherboard |
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| 17:15.32 | zinx | rredd4: lspci will show you which one |
| 17:15.33 | asg | rredd4: oh, okay. That often causes such issues. |
| 17:15.35 | strider | jeffrin: yes |
| 17:16.01 | phyrster | asg: Device node : /dev/video0 |
| 17:16.02 | phyrster | Name of device : "(null)" |
| 17:16.04 | rredd4 | zinx: ok, will try |
| 17:16.09 | webwolf_27 | zinx, arn't most onboard cards pci |
| 17:16.26 | rredd4 | brb, have to reboot |
| 17:16.27 | asg | phyrster: another way to check is to start gnomemeeting and run 'lsof' on the process to see which files it has open. |
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| 17:16.42 | syphox | heya, how do i change the language setting for my console? |
| 17:16.47 | syphox | its in the wrong language |
| 17:16.49 | asg | syphox: /msg dpkg locales |
| 17:17.00 | mrverbose | asg: ok, i found an alternative binary ioctlsave that can do the job |
| 17:17.05 | jeffrin | strider_ : i have a USB dongle |
| 17:17.06 | syphox | ty |
| 17:17.07 | asg | mrverbose: ah, cool |
| 17:17.12 | scooby | Does anyone know where to get support for the BIRD daemon that is now included in Sarge in place of ROUTED? I have tried their mailing list but it is useless for maything other than spam. |
| 17:17.15 | mrverbose | what still doesnt work is the grub menu |
| 17:17.18 | syphox | strider = FLT ? |
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| 17:17.27 | jeffrin | strider_ : i have installed irda-utils |
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| 17:17.31 | mrverbose | i cannot see the grub menu though i believe it was configured right |
| 17:17.51 | asg | syphox: start with /usr/share/doc/bird |
| 17:18.04 | strider | syphox: no |
| 17:18.08 | asg | syphox: if you have found a bug, check bugs.debian.org |
| 17:18.32 | scooby | My problem has to do with a PPPoE conneciton. It seems to be picking up the wron IP. |
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| 17:19.01 | strider | jeffrin: alright. i would actually recommend you try this on the stock debian kernel first. try a dmesg |grep tty to see if it has been picked up |
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| 17:19.04 | asg | syphox: sorry, that was supposed to go to scooby |
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| 17:19.27 | beered | what is debian equivalent of /var/log/secure? |
| 17:19.34 | asg | beered: /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:19.56 | beered | asg: :) darn. you are quick. ty! |
| 17:20.02 | asg | beered: you're welcome |
| 17:20.31 | fireba11 | question: if i use the smp version of a kernel .. could it be it's not working while the non-smp version of the same kernel does ? |
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| 17:21.05 | Xander | o.O |
| 17:21.07 | asg | that has to be the worst attempt at channel spam ever *sigh* |
| 17:21.10 | Xander | lol |
| 17:21.14 | Xander | pinto? |
| 17:21.16 | dvs | And the car sucked too! |
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| 17:21.16 | pngwn | pitiful |
| 17:21.17 | Xander | aint that a drink |
| 17:21.21 | gnufan | fireba11: yes it could - but it would have to be due to a problem with some other code or hardware. What is the problem you are having |
| 17:21.21 | beered | asg: do you know of an app or something that I could tail for outside IP scans? |
| 17:21.21 | asg | Xander: and a bean |
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| 17:21.25 | Xander | oh right |
| 17:21.48 | asg | beered: portsentry |
| 17:21.51 | R` | what program download is ircop |
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| 17:21.53 | S4nD3r | How do I solve it ?? /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: version `PNG12_0' not found (required by /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so) |
| 17:21.57 | R` | my penis in your bunda |
| 17:22.00 | asg | beered: or go all out and run Snort |
| 17:22.00 | R` | my penis in your bunda |
| 17:22.01 | R` | my penis in your bunda |
| 17:22.01 | Mardus | asg: Lots of thanks, I can print!!! |
| 17:22.06 | asg | Mardus: you're welcome |
| 17:22.06 | R` | !br |
| 17:22.06 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:22.19 | mortal | !fi |
| 17:22.19 | dpkg | well, fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out |
| 17:22.20 | beered | asg: nice. |
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| 17:22.28 | mortal | !de |
| 17:22.28 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 17:22.48 | phyrster | asg: thank you. cam worked. by the way, how to use lsof to tell which program is using /dev/video? |
| 17:22.51 | mrverbose | !de that channel sucks |
| 17:22.58 | Xander | why? |
| 17:23.14 | rredd4 | back |
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| 17:23.21 | mrverbose | Xander: strange people in there that cannot behave well for times > 1h |
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| 17:23.25 | asg | phyrster: try 'fuser /dev/video' first lsof is complex but powerful |
| 17:23.25 | Xander | lol |
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| 17:23.38 | S4nD3r | How to have correct version of my libraries ? |
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| 17:24.02 | mrverbose | S4nD3r: only using sarge and apt-get to install anything :) |
| 17:24.02 | rredd4 | I got this from lspci VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Ch ipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 17:24.14 | thingfish | isn't that special. |
| 17:24.18 | S4nD3r | Yes.. Now I know that.... |
| 17:24.33 | S4nD3r | mrverbose, is possible to correct ? |
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| 17:24.45 | mrverbose | S4nD3r: there is a howto for downgrading to sarge, if you mean that |
| 17:24.50 | S4nD3r | apt-get upgrade will solve my proble ? |
| 17:24.53 | mrverbose | otherwise, what libs are gone for good? |
| 17:24.57 | jeffrin | strider : what is stock debian kernel ? |
| 17:25.09 | jeffrin | strider : you mean debian kernel package |
| 17:25.10 | S4nD3r | libpng |
| 17:25.13 | mrverbose | jeffrin: for sarge it is 2.6.8$something |
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| 17:25.24 | dvs | mrverbose: or 2.4.27 |
| 17:25.33 | SeicherlBoB | i'm going to setup a server for the following: router, firewall, softwareraid 0, samba, LAMP, ntp, vpn. would you recommend stable or testing? |
| 17:25.36 | mrverbose | dvs: i think both are |
| 17:25.39 | jeffrin | is it debian kernel image package |
| 17:25.45 | Mardus | SeicherlBoB: Stable. |
| 17:25.48 | dvs | jeffrin: yes |
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| 17:26.15 | rredd4 | when i logout of kde or gnome or ctrl-alt-bksp i get a black screen. here is my lspci info: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Ch ipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 17:26.30 | rredd4 | mobo vid card |
| 17:26.35 | rredd4 | no agp slot |
| 17:26.48 | debiankid | how can i add a program as service on debian ? for example unrealircd to run on init.d |
| 17:26.51 | SeicherlBoB | Mardus: and why not testing? the services are not that critical and almost only for internal use. |
| 17:26.54 | Xander | why is apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 asking for a cd? |
| 17:27.02 | gnufan | Whats the difference between linux-image and kernel-image -- I assume they were switched at some point in time? |
| 17:27.14 | dvs | Xander: your /etc/apt/sources.list is configured for CDs |
| 17:27.23 | Xander | so i just comment it out? |
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| 17:27.32 | dvs | Xander: apt-setup |
| 17:27.59 | Xander | ty |
| 17:28.24 | gnufan | debiankid: there is a document on programming services in the IBM Developer library - don't have a URL but google will find it I'm sure |
| 17:28.29 | rredd4 | zinx: I am back, here is my lspci info. VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Ch ipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
| 17:28.33 | SeicherlBoB | Mardus: the thing is, i got a bad feeling using such an old kernel. |
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| 17:28.58 | gnufan | debiankid: Oh ignore me I thought you wanted to write a program... you just want to add an existing one <doh> |
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| 17:29.42 | chugga | any documentation on how to use the debian emacs-goodies package? ive apt-get installed it but dont know what to do next |
| 17:30.15 | Mardus | SeicherlBoB: Well, it depends. Testing is what I would try after a year or two or so... Personally, I would always have stable for mission-critical stuff, while testing, if there is a need for contemporary features. Maybe if you run into serious problems with testing, you could always get stable. |
| 17:30.25 | S4nD3r | I really need to solve this library problem |
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| 17:30.31 | rredd4 | zinx: u there? |
| 17:30.32 | chugga | or even better. is there a way to use apt-get through emacss? i want M-/ completion damn it |
| 17:30.34 | S4nD3r | I really dont know how |
| 17:30.47 | ALARIK666 | moin |
| 17:30.58 | ALARIK666 | sprricht hier wer deutsch? |
| 17:31.08 | rredd4 | nine |
| 17:31.11 | S4nD3r | Its impossible to see pngs images |
| 17:31.16 | fireba11 | !de |
| 17:31.16 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 17:31.27 | ALARIK666 | ah thx |
| 17:31.30 | mortal | !nl |
| 17:31.30 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 17:31.40 | mortal | !sw |
| 17:31.40 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
| 17:31.54 | SeicherlBoB | Mardus: I have a server running on woody since 2 years or something. |
| 17:31.57 | debiankid | hey hey i was here |
| 17:31.58 | debiankid | im here |
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| 17:32.16 | jeffrin | strider and all : iam downloading linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 |
| 17:32.19 | SeicherlBoB | Mardus: just setting up a new one on new hardware and bigger drives and stuff. |
| 17:32.32 | debiankid | gnufan im here |
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| 17:32.37 | rredd4 | can i set up one use as english and another as german and english? |
| 17:32.54 | strider | jeffrin: what mobile action dongle do you have btw? |
| 17:33.02 | zinx | rredd4: use the i810 video driver |
| 17:33.07 | Mardus | SeicherlBoB: Well, I'd have sarge/stable with necessary backports. If I'd want to really experiment, then testing... |
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| 17:33.26 | gnufan | debiankid: have you installed the software, just want to start it in init.d ? |
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| 17:33.30 | debiankid | gnufan i mean for example i made iptables script how can i set up on debian to run everytime i reboot the computer? |
| 17:33.35 | rredd4 | zinx: ok, so i need to reconfig x? |
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| 17:33.46 | pyromatrx | I have downloaded the 2.6.8 kernel from somewhere because the debian security server is slow. can I just put it in /boot and configure GRUB, or is there a need to install it in any manner as would apt-get? |
| 17:33.47 | debiankid | gnufan hehe i allready done but nothing happends |
| 17:33.49 | jeffrin | strider_ : MA-660 |
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| 17:34.03 | dvs | !tell pyromatrx about kp |
| 17:34.03 | zinx | rredd4: yeah |
| 17:34.09 | rredd4 | ty |
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| 17:34.16 | Mardus | SeicherlBoB: Thing is that sarge just came out last year and testing is testing for a reason. |
| 17:34.35 | pyromatrx | dvs: thanks |
| 17:34.36 | debiankid | gnufan i white a link to rc2.d and on init.d but nothing happends |
| 17:34.43 | dvs | pyromatrx: you're welcome |
| 17:34.46 | rredd4 | can i set up sarge to be multilingual? |
| 17:34.54 | rredd4 | kde |
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| 17:35.08 | richard_ | I've like to put KDE 3.5 on my Mepis installation, but I need the correct repository address where to find the files. Any help me with this? |
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| 17:35.26 | pyromatrx | dvs: also, how do I install xserver? do I have to get gnome? gdm? xfonts? |
| 17:35.42 | dvs | !install gnome |
| 17:35.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 17:35.45 | SeicherlBoB | Mardus: think i'll do so.... perhaps you're right |
| 17:35.47 | gnufan | debiankid: the init.d script needs to take start as an argument... the lazy and bad way is to create /etc/rc.boot directory, scripts in there are run last in the boot up process (see /etc/init.d/rc) |
| 17:35.49 | z1ng3r | Is there a PPC version of this channel? Or are there PPC people here? |
| 17:35.57 | Phated | !ppc |
| 17:35.57 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 17:36.10 | denisbr | Good Afternon, I am using apt-get dist-upgrade, but I received message for to active APT::Force-LoopBreak, How I do it? |
| 17:36.11 | ringo999 | hi there. i just installed debian two days ago. im using gnome and the open sound system. now im trying to get skype to work. in the multimedia systems selector both test sound and recording work fine. but trying to get skype to work will fail with sound error. im a linux newbie. another question i have, why i can only have one soundsource run at the same time, like only vlc, or only xmms etc. thx for the help |
| 17:36.13 | z1ng3r | Never mind- just found it. |
| 17:36.15 | pyromatrx | !set up x |
| 17:36.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 17:36.18 | rredd4 | zinx; thats "i8 one zero? |
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| 17:36.41 | debiankid | gnufan rc? |
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| 17:36.51 | dvs | ringo999: Use ALSA if you want to have more than one sound source at the same time |
| 17:37.06 | strider | alright jeffrin, let me know when it's done and you have rebooted to the new kernel. irda suport in linux is pretty tricky. |
| 17:37.08 | ringo999 | dvs: so how/where do i change that? |
| 17:37.10 | S4nD3r | dpkg -i --force-conflicts libpng_1.2.5-1_i386.deb |
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| 17:37.20 | gihad | Guys, what's the package I need to install that will give me the esddsp command |
| 17:37.20 | dvs | ringo999: What kernel do you have? |
| 17:37.23 | S4nD3r | I think this was my problem reasen |
| 17:37.27 | S4nD3r | how solve it ?? |
| 17:37.31 | S4nD3r | '''dpkg -i --force-conflicts libpng_1.2.5-1_i386.deb |
| 17:37.39 | gnufan | debiankid: /etc/init.d/rc is the script that runs the other start-up scripts. It looks for the S**** scripts in the other start-up directories |
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| 17:37.54 | Mardus | SeicherlBoB: And I still use woody (with lots from stable, but not a complete upgrade to sarge)... Granted, I am using a computer that will have its 10-year anniversary next Winter this year. |
| 17:38.09 | richard_ | Anyone help me with debian repositories? I'd like to put KDE 3.5 on my Mepis installation. Is it under experimental? Is it is Sid? |
| 17:38.17 | S4nD3r | How solve this big mistake ?? dpkg -i --force-conflicts libpng_1.2.5-1_i386.deb |
| 17:38.17 | debiankid | gnufan i am on rc script now what ? |
| 17:38.20 | ringo999 | dvs: 2.4.27 |
| 17:38.33 | dvs | ringo999: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 17:38.38 | denisbr | Good Afternon, I am using apt-get dist-upgrade, but I received message for to active APT::Force-LoopBreak, How I do it? |
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| 17:38.41 | jeffrin | strider_ : i will let you know after the reboot |
| 17:38.46 | ringo999 | dvs: and then? |
| 17:38.48 | strider | richard_: it's in Sid |
| 17:38.48 | ringo999 | after that |
| 17:38.51 | dvs | ringo999: alsaconf |
| 17:38.52 | S4nD3r | This use of dpkg, was to install a software, It was in a site.... But I didnt know that I was breaking my distro |
| 17:38.57 | ringo999 | dvs: ok |
| 17:38.58 | S4nD3r | please, I need a solution |
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| 17:39.06 | gihad | Guys, what's the package I need to install that will give me the esddsp command ? |
| 17:39.12 | gnufan | debiankid: I meant just look at it to understand how it runs the S*** scripts, and then stuff in /etc/rc.boot if it exists. |
| 17:39.30 | richard_ | What's the correct address to set it up in synaptic? I've got Sid main installed and it only shows the older packages. |
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| 17:39.32 | debiankid | gnufan ok i ll seek |
| 17:39.42 | Mardus | I think I'll leave; there's a doku on ABBA and their some anniversary and it looks and sounds interesting. |
| 17:39.48 | pyromatrx | !lynx |
| 17:39.49 | dpkg | a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. links ownz it |
| 17:39.51 | Mark_Bra | ninguem fala português aki é? |
| 17:39.54 | SeicherlBoB | Mardus: thanks! |
| 17:40.01 | debiankid | gnufan rc.boot does not exist |
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| 17:40.16 | S4nD3r | How to undo this ?? dpkg -i --force-conflicts libpng_1.2.5-1_i386.deb |
| 17:40.34 | debiankid | gnufan rc0.d 1-6 and rcS.d |
| 17:40.38 | gnufan | Thats why /etc/init.d/rc has this line; [ -d /etc/rc.boot ] && run-parts /etc/rc.boot |
| 17:40.39 | rredd4 | zinx: what do i type in for vid card bus ID? |
| 17:40.40 | mrverbose | whooohoo, serial console works :) |
| 17:40.51 | gihad | Mark_Bra, I speak portuguese, but you should try #debian-br |
| 17:41.02 | mrverbose | !br |
| 17:41.02 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:41.15 | mrverbose | why is it br? |
| 17:41.21 | gihad | What ? |
| 17:41.26 | mrverbose | is that the shortcut for portugal? |
| 17:41.27 | gihad | Br for Brazil |
| 17:41.33 | mrverbose | ah ok |
| 17:41.42 | gihad | In Brazil we speak portuguese, not spanish :P |
| 17:41.59 | Mark_Bra | qual o endereço do servidor gihad? |
| 17:42.00 | mrverbose | gihad: i knew that but i thought br was for portugal :) |
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| 17:42.04 | limpio | portugal=pt |
| 17:42.33 | dvs | Imposter! |
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| 17:42.38 | S4nD3r | Is there a process to correct wrong use of if dpkg -i --force-conflicts libpng_1.2.5-1_i386.deb |
| 17:42.46 | rredd4 | reconfig'ing x, using i810. what do i type in for vid card id? leave blank? (have mobo vid card) |
| 17:42.51 | gihad | Mark_Bra, type /join #debian-pr |
| 17:42.52 | denisbr | I am using apt-get dist-upgrade, but I received message for to active APT::Force-LoopBreak, How I do it? |
| 17:42.57 | debiankid | gnufan nope if[-d /etc/rc$runlevel.d] _( |
| 17:43.24 | limpio | rredd4, leave blank |
| 17:43.29 | rredd4 | ty |
| 17:43.32 | gnufan | debiankid: The right way, is create a script in /etc/init.d/ with a sensible name. And make show it supports the arguements "start" and "stop". http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys#s-sysvinit |
| 17:43.35 | ringo999 | dvs: where do i find alsaconf...i installed it but alsaconf cant be found |
| 17:43.44 | Mark_Bra | thank u gihad |
| 17:43.45 | gnufan | debiankid: rc does test for rc.boot, search harder. |
| 17:43.58 | dvs | ringo999: Oh? apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 17:44.06 | ringo999 | dvs: alright |
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| 17:44.20 | debiankid | gnufan im going to paste the script |
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| 17:44.41 | debiankid | gnufan i found it |
| 17:44.47 | debiankid | gnufan i found it is on rcS |
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| 17:45.12 | ribnitz | evening.. |
| 17:45.29 | debiankid | gnufan now whereis the rc.boot ? |
| 17:45.51 | gihad | which package will make the command esddsp available ? |
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| 17:46.24 | pyromatrx | where does lynx download files to? |
| 17:46.26 | gnufan | debiankid: it is an old way of starting scripts, you just "mkdir /etc/rc.boot ; cp myscript /etc/rc.boot" and myscript is run at the end of booting by root. Crude but simple |
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| 17:46.49 | cyberix | How is apt developed? |
| 17:47.02 | ringo999 | dvs: ok. alsa installed and configured now. how do i make use of it in gnome? |
| 17:47.09 | debiankid | gnufan mmmm |
| 17:47.09 | ribnitz | cyberix: like everything else. |
| 17:47.15 | cyberix | If I take part in development, where should I send patches and how and with who should I communicate? |
| 17:47.24 | cyberix | It has a team or a web page? |
| 17:47.26 | dvs | ringo999: Use what in gnome? |
| 17:47.50 | ringo999 | dvs: alsa...multimedia system selector only offers "oss" |
| 17:47.51 | ribnitz | cyberix: send it to the maintainer of the package, or ask them. with apt it could be a develoopment team. |
| 17:48.04 | ringo999 | dvs: logout/login? |
| 17:48.05 | gnufan | debiankid: Of course if your script has problems, or never returns..... you have fun, but I use it for one line scripts that start simple daemon. The "init.d" approach is better because you can shut apps down as well as start them. |
| 17:48.17 | dvs | ringo999: Are you part of the audio group? |
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| 17:48.24 | ringo999 | dvs: yes |
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| 17:48.36 | dvs | ringo999: Then OSS should still work. |
| 17:49.06 | ringo999 | dvs: im sorry, im very much newbie to this. i have no idea how oss and alsa and all that work together |
| 17:49.17 | dvs | ringo999: ALSA has OSS emulation |
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| 17:49.30 | dvs | wih the snd_pcm_oss module |
| 17:50.15 | debiankid | gnufan mmmmu mean touch /etc/rc.boot or inside the dir rc.boot paste the script iptables /ircd .etc ? |
| 17:50.39 | robotic | how do I automatically uninstall all the packages that came with a metapackage e.g. kde ? |
| 17:51.07 | gnufan | debiankid: inside directory... the test is "-d /etc/rc.boot" does a directory exist.... |
| 17:51.15 | ringo999 | dvs: yeah, but i can still only play one sound source at a time, do i not have to swtich something somewhere else? |
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| 17:51.41 | debiankid | gnufan ok rc.boot direactory does not exist im going to create it |
| 17:51.59 | Vladdy | hm, can I convert an existing initrd to initramfs? |
| 17:52.04 | dvs | ringo999: Hmm... I use KDE. I'm not sure why Gnome only offers OSS as a sound system. |
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| 17:52.37 | Vladdy | kde has arts gnome has esound |
| 17:52.55 | ringo999 | Vladdy: so what to do? |
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| 17:53.01 | dvs | Vladdy: KDE has a sh*tload of sound systems |
| 17:53.03 | strider | ringo999: try libesd-alsa0 |
| 17:53.03 | gnufan | robotic: as far as I know you probably have to pull out the depends line from the package dependency list. |
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| 17:53.18 | Vladdy | ringo999: not sure what the problem is as i haven't heard it |
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| 17:53.25 | strider | ringo999: also check gstreamer-properties |
| 17:53.37 | setnf | Hi. Why am I getting this follow error: Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:53.38 | setnf | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 17:53.39 | robotic | gnufan: isn't there an automated way ? |
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| 17:53.51 | dvs | setnf: /topic |
| 17:53.52 | strider | setnf: /topic |
| 17:53.59 | limpio | robotic: apt-get install kde-base? |
| 17:53.59 | ocsi | Is there netinst cd image with kernel >= 2.6.14 sitting somewhere? |
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| 17:54.15 | strider | ocsi: no |
| 17:54.17 | setnf | ok thanks, sorry about that |
| 17:54.18 | debiankid | gnufan etc/rc.boot directory created now paste it scripts inside right? |
| 17:54.20 | sanmarcos | !tellsetnf about apt secure |
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| 17:54.30 | sanmarcos | !tell setnf about apt secure |
| 17:54.37 | robotic | limpio: I want to UNinstall kde and all that came with it |
| 17:54.43 | ringo999 | strider: where do i find the gstreamer properties? |
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| 17:54.59 | strider | ringo999: just run it |
| 17:55.00 | gnufan | debiankid: yes -- note it runs last -- for iptables you might want to start that earlier - but I think there is a script for doing that already.. /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
| 17:55.14 | debiankid | gnufan nope |
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| 17:55.27 | debiankid | gnufan on debian i think iptables does not run as service |
| 17:55.45 | ringo999 | strider: well, yeah, only oss is offered there |
| 17:55.45 | debiankid | gnufan on redhat he does but on debian i dont think so |
| 17:56.03 | strider | ringo999: can't you change it to ALSA? |
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| 17:56.17 | ringo999 | srider nope, no alsa available in the menu |
| 17:56.27 | ringo999 | strider: could it be that i have to log out and log in again? |
| 17:56.31 | strider | ringo999: did you run alsaconf? |
| 17:56.36 | ocsi | strider: at least build udebs? |
| 17:56.36 | ringo999 | strider yes |
| 17:57.01 | debiankid | gnufan before i pasted the iptables script on init.d but nothing happened now im going to try with this |
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| 17:57.19 | strider | ringo999: check volume control, File and Devices. what does it show there |
| 17:57.36 | richard_ | I was told KDE 3.5 iis in Sid repository, but can't find it. What's the address syntax. . . |
| 17:57.47 | strider | ocsi: AFAIK the etch netinstall only comes with 2.6.12 |
| 17:58.08 | gnufan | debiankid: the trouble with iptables is you really want to start it before networking -- only Microsoft were daft enough to start their firewall after they brought up the network interface -- and yes some people got owned this way. |
| 17:58.19 | robotic | lol |
| 17:58.23 | ringo999 | strider: well volume control -> file -> change device -> "only oss mixer offered" |
| 17:58.42 | limpio | robotic: dpkg -P kdelibs4 libarts1, google is your ONLY friend!!!!!!! |
| 17:59.00 | strider | ringo999: that's the reason. the ALSA driver hasn't been picked up. Try running alsaconf again |
| 17:59.04 | robotic | limpio: OK thanks |
| 17:59.06 | dvs | ringo999: There is a gnome-alsamixer |
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| 17:59.34 | dvs | strider: Running it again won't do anything. |
| 17:59.51 | strider | dvs: not sure if he has run it actually |
| 18:00.00 | strider | came in a bit late :) |
| 18:00.00 | dvs | strider: He did |
| 18:00.22 | limpio | robotic, afterwards look for kde with 'locate' and check your ~/ directory |
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| 18:00.45 | robotic | limpio:OK |
| 18:01.06 | gnufan | robotic: deborphan is also your friend --- but I'd go for the cut and paste removal of the packages from the dependency list. I don't think things can automatically guess what you don't want generally - that would require psychic abilities. |
| 18:01.31 | strider | jeffrin: done yet? |
| 18:02.14 | sanmarcos | dharma peanut butter |
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| 18:03.50 | gnufan | robotic: apt-cache show kde | grep "^Depends:" | tr "[,]" "[ ]" | cut -f2 -d":" | xargs apt-get -s -y remove # and then again without the -s ... you might want stuff in KDE, such as the libs, even if you don't want KDE itself installed... |
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| 18:04.11 | robotic | gnufan: thanks. But what I want to do is not remove package selectively but remove everything that came together...For example, if I type apt-get install <whatever> and receive X number of packages, I want to type apt-get remove <whatever> and remove ALL of those packages..I want symmetry in package management,thats all |
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| 18:04.53 | revo | c'è qualcuno che parla la mia lingua? |
| 18:05.11 | petemc | robotic: use aptitude |
| 18:05.17 | gnufan | robotic: dependencies don't work like that though -- best you can do is pull the packages installed from the log, and remove them |
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| 18:05.49 | ringo999 | strider: i did try alsaconf...i think im getting some error messages |
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| 18:06.20 | ringo999 | strider: Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-page-alloc). |
| 18:06.30 | strider | ringo999: what's the soundcard> |
| 18:06.45 | petemc | robotic: note, aptitude will only do that if the packages were installed aptitude in the first place |
| 18:06.52 | petemc | +with |
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| 18:07.01 | ringo999 | strider: its an onboard sis (elitegroup k7s5a mainboard) |
| 18:07.03 | robotic | petemc: OK |
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| 18:07.29 | strider | ringo999: as root try modprobe -r snd-page-alloc |
| 18:07.53 | jeffrin | strider : going for a reboot in 1 min |
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| 18:08.14 | strider | jeffrin: what kernel do you have now btw? |
| 18:08.16 | jeffrin | strider_ : just installed |
| 18:08.21 | ringo999 | strider: i did, and now? |
| 18:08.29 | robotic | petemc: so how do I tell aptitude to uninstall all that got installed when I installed <whatever> ? |
| 18:08.34 | ringo999 | strider: no feedback from that command |
| 18:08.37 | jeffrin | strider_ : iam going to reboot to 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 18:08.50 | strider | jeffrin: ok |
| 18:08.55 | petemc | robotic: if you used aptitude install foo, then aptitude remove foo should do it |
| 18:09.01 | jeffrin | strider_ : shall i reboot |
| 18:09.10 | strider | jeffrin: yes |
| 18:09.14 | robotic | haha cool |
| 18:09.17 | jeffrin | strider_ : ok |
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| 18:09.38 | robotic | petemc: so it IS different from apt-get install foo ? |
| 18:10.06 | petemc | yes |
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| 18:10.22 | strider | ringo999: alsaconf and see if you get any errors now |
| 18:10.22 | robotic | petemc: great,thanks |
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| 18:11.54 | dr1v3r | guys how would i do a symlink in apache2? is it like this ln -s /directory/iwant/to/link and then do i add anything in the httpd.conf file? like <Directory> "/directory/iwant/to/link" |
| 18:11.54 | dr1v3r | +FollowSymlinks |
| 18:11.54 | dr1v3r | </Directory> |
| 18:12.11 | dr1v3r | is that how i do it or is that wrong? |
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| 18:13.20 | raf256 | dr1v3r: i suppose its ok |
| 18:13.24 | gnufan | dr1v3r: you probably wouldn't do anything in httpd.conf in Apache2 for Debian... |
| 18:14.04 | dr1v3r | so to add asymlink all i do it just link the directory? |
| 18:14.15 | gnufan | dr1v3r: often makes more sense to do the directory thing in the virtual host, and add an alias |
| 18:14.50 | gnufan | dr1v3r: No I mean the Apache2 config file httpd.conf is for backward comaptibility only... |
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| 18:15.02 | dr1v3r | thats what i was going to do in the first place but i couldnt figure out how to do it exactly :( |
| 18:15.11 | ringo999 | strider: same thing. is that actually an error, afterwards the alsaconf menu appears just fine (Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-page-alloc).) |
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| 18:16.59 | strider | ringo999: not sure then. maybe try /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
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| 18:17.51 | gnufan | dr1v3r: Alias used in this example http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/108 |
| 18:18.11 | Neverth | ringo999, rmmod -f snd-page-alloc <-- forced removing? |
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| 18:18.26 | gnufan | dr1v3r: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/207 --- the apache2 in debian way of virtual hosts and module management... me thinks your converting from Apache1 |
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| 18:18.29 | dr1v3r | thanks al check it out |
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| 18:18.37 | strider | Neverth: modprobe -r does work |
| 18:18.37 | Mazingaro | is anyone using the zyxel prestige 660h??? |
| 18:19.19 | TimeRider | postfix on debian, opiekeys not found, I create it via touch, then the auth.log says permission denied... what am I doing wrong? |
| 18:19.21 | ringo999 | strider: alsa: In the 2.6 version it obsoletes OSS by default. -> couldnt i just update the kernel? |
| 18:19.36 | dvs | ringo999: I thought that would be more of a hassle |
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| 18:19.46 | ringo999 | dvs: is it that hard? |
| 18:19.56 | ringo999 | dvs: i have never done it...no idea |
| 18:19.59 | strider | ringo999: that is not the right solution though |
| 18:20.01 | S4nD3r | apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 Is problem if I install this one from backport ? |
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| 18:20.04 | dvs | ringo999: You can try as long as you don't remove the old one. |
| 18:20.10 | dr1v3r | no i have just apache2 installed, but i need to have a hyperlink on my website pointing to a .html file that is somewhere else on my system, but apache locks the www directory so that you cant link to outside of that directpry unless stated otherwise |
| 18:20.18 | dr1v3r | thats what i am aiming to do lol |
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| 18:20.36 | jeffrin | strider : are you there ? |
| 18:20.43 | strider | jeffrin: yes |
| 18:20.47 | jeffrin | strider : i have done reboot |
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| 18:20.55 | strider | jeffrin: is the dongle connected? |
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| 18:21.00 | ringo999 | dvs: so how do i get started? what do i have to do? |
| 18:21.10 | rredd4 | zinx: i810 works, ty |
| 18:21.10 | jeffrin | strider : no |
| 18:21.12 | dvs | ringo999: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 18:21.28 | ringo999 | dvs: and then? |
| 18:21.32 | strider | jeffrin: connect it then :) |
| 18:21.36 | dvs | ringo999: reboot |
| 18:21.54 | ringo999 | dvs: do you think it will help with the sound problem? |
| 18:21.56 | gnufan | dr1v3r: Alias is nice and simple, and you can use a <Directory> to control access to that directory... no messy symlinks, no screwing up with allowing symlinks and finding them everywhere ;) Not that our own systems would ever decay into such a mess ;) |
| 18:22.05 | dvs | ringo999: I think it makes no difference |
| 18:22.09 | jeffrin | strider : dongle is connected |
| 18:22.14 | kaviros | is any body know how can i install knnopix in my hard disk? |
| 18:22.19 | ringo999 | dvs: well, i will give it a try... |
| 18:22.27 | strider | jeffrin: what does dmesg |grep tty return? |
| 18:22.28 | jeffrin | strider : it is already connected |
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| 18:23.04 | rredd4 | how do i disable eth0? I installed sarge using broadband for my gf. She is on dial up. On startup, i get eth0: link down |
| 18:23.09 | fb_ | hello. can anybody point me some document which describes how to compile custom glibc for some non-standard architecture? |
| 18:23.09 | strider | jeffrin: more precisely /dev/tty....something |
| 18:23.13 | S4nD3r | Is good or bad to install packages from backport ?? |
| 18:23.41 | jeffrin | strider : "sb 3-1: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0" |
| 18:23.48 | kspath | !tell kspath about knoppix |
| 18:23.52 | dr1v3r | so gnufan i need to add a line into my etc/aliases file? |
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| 18:24.02 | gnufan | S4nD3r: bad it means it isn't in stable -- good it means you have the software you want -- bad it isn't under Debian QA -- good it is controlled by Debian people. |
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| 18:24.28 | gnufan | dr1v3r: no in the virtualhost, you add an alias, like the example I sent a URL for. |
| 18:24.35 | kspath | !tell kaviros about knoppix |
| 18:24.40 | strider | jeffrin: alright. just keep ttyUSB0 in mind |
| 18:24.40 | ringo999 | dvs: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 18:24.50 | ringo999 | ups |
| 18:24.59 | strider | jeffrin: now become root |
| 18:24.59 | ringo999 | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 18:25.05 | jeffrin | strider : ok |
| 18:25.07 | dr1v3r | ahhh i see it now lol sorry thanks |
| 18:25.20 | strider | ringo999: linux-image-2.6-383 |
| 18:25.44 | jeffrin | strider : i have a root terminal window |
| 18:25.56 | rredd4 | how do i disable ethh0? |
| 18:26.02 | rredd4 | eth0 |
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| 18:26.10 | gnufan | S4nD3r: I get my MYSQL5 from dotdeb, Gui isn't perfect, but he's been very good to me for no cash so far.... and I get PHP5 as a bonus... |
| 18:26.14 | azeem | rredd4: ifdown eth0 |
| 18:26.15 | strider | jeffrin: before we proceed, man irattach is quite helpful. you should take a look later |
| 18:26.29 | S4nD3r | I undestood! |
| 18:26.33 | pyromatrx | where can I configure that kernel installs will update the symbolic link of the kernel and initrd to /boot, and not / ? |
| 18:26.40 | dr1v3r | gnufan which site you showed 2 lol |
| 18:26.52 | rredd4 | azeem: that all? wow |
| 18:26.52 | pyromatrx | as in the symbolic link vmlinuz is set up in /boot, not / |
| 18:26.57 | gnufan | S4nD3r: curious how backports compares with dotdeb |
| 18:26.58 | S4nD3r | thanks for all ! |
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| 18:27.07 | jeffrin | strider : should i read man irattach now ? |
| 18:27.10 | strider | jeffrin: type irattch /dev/ttyUSB0 -d ma600 -s |
| 18:27.16 | azeem | rredd4: edit /etc/network/interfaces to make that permanent |
| 18:27.18 | S4nD3r | see you later |
| 18:27.23 | strider | jeffrin: *irattach there |
| 18:27.41 | rredd4 | azeem: ty millions! |
| 18:27.46 | kspath | rredd4: well, really you could have used ifconfig which is better because it works anywhere |
| 18:27.53 | ringo999 | strider: same thing...not found... |
| 18:28.08 | ringo999 | strider: well, its refered to by another packacge |
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| 18:28.29 | gnufan | dr1v3r: the first one... alternatively look up alias in the Apache2 documentation. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_alias.html#alias |
| 18:28.34 | strider | ringo999: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 18:28.38 | jeffrin | strider : done |
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| 18:28.55 | rredd4 | kspath: i did that and just got back info. I typed ifconfig should i have typed something else? |
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| 18:28.56 | strider | jeffrin: no messages i guess? |
| 18:28.58 | Alias_ | sigh... ok so the current testing netinst seems to be screwed |
| 18:29.02 | Alias_ | kernel CRC failures |
| 18:29.11 | jeffrin | strider : no messages |
| 18:29.14 | kspath | rredd4: azeem, is showing you a cool debian way. the path azeem showed is the way to make it perm |
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| 18:29.31 | rredd4 | k |
| 18:29.31 | dr1v3r | thank you gnufan |
| 18:29.32 | kspath | rredd4: man ifconfig is my vague way of saying yes. |
| 18:29.32 | Alias_ | So, would the next step to getting a new qemu be to install a normal sarge, install qemu, then remove, then compile from source? |
| 18:29.40 | rredd4 | ilol |
| 18:29.41 | rredd4 | ok |
| 18:30.04 | strider | jeffrin: good. then get you ir device in range then |
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| 18:30.30 | strider | jeffrin: once that's done type irdadump |
| 18:30.45 | kspath | rredd4: You will want to know all the cool debian ways but eventually you will want to know what is generic and works almost everywhere as well. |
| 18:31.05 | xtroy | somebody know something about crossover office in debian ?? |
| 18:31.18 | gnufan | rredd4: off topic but I thought you'd like my blog entry this week... http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/32 |
| 18:31.24 | xtroy | is a good idea or not ?? |
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| 18:32.49 | jeffrin | strider : i have the kept my mobile near the dongle |
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| 18:32.55 | rredd4 | azeem: i put a # in front of everything, is that correct? |
| 18:32.57 | jeffrin | strider : i have done irdadump |
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| 18:33.07 | ringo999 | strider: ok this brings a list of images...but which one should i take? i got an AMD 1ghz running |
| 18:33.15 | strider | jeffrin: any output? |
| 18:33.33 | ByteCode | i get errors while installing an app libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 not found |
| 18:33.35 | kspath | rredd4: that blog entry is good to read but only half true. make sure you know ifconfig but not at exclusion of other commands/options |
| 18:33.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:33.49 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:33.50 | jeffrin | strider : ya lots of output still output continues |
| 18:33.53 | ringo999 | strider: 686 |
| 18:33.55 | ringo999 | ? |
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| 18:34.14 | strider | ringo999: not sure. but the 386 is safe |
| 18:34.22 | ByteCode | which package i should install so i get libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 18:34.28 | strider | jeffrin: does it identify the phone? |
| 18:34.41 | jeffrin | strider : yes |
| 18:34.49 | gnufan | kspath: half true -- how so? |
| 18:35.06 | strider | jeffrin: congrats then. it worked. your phone is recognised |
| 18:35.17 | rredd4 | kspath: i am new, so i ask to be sure that i am doing the correct thing. |
| 18:35.32 | ringo999 | strider: k |
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| 18:35.44 | strider | jeffrin: do a lsmod |grep ir and see the modules which you would surely want to enable when you compile your kernel |
| 18:36.08 | ringo999 | strider: ha. no 386 offered, just 486 and 686 |
| 18:36.15 | ringo999 | and k7 |
| 18:36.22 | strider | jeffrin: apart from ma600 which is your dongle. check man irattach |
| 18:36.36 | kspath | rredd4: That is the right thing to do. So far no one gave you wrong information about most things. Just remember that even the "experts" are not always right or might leave out necessary or useful information. |
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| 18:36.55 | strider | ringo999: just a sec, lemme check |
| 18:37.05 | gnufan | rredd4: definitely learn "ip", dead handy command, and comes with builtin help.... ifconfig probably still works on legacy Unix systems, but be careful with it. |
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| 18:37.54 | gnufan | kspath: sometimes the experts are simply wrong -- dead easy to be wrong by one vital character.... |
| 18:38.16 | jeffrin | strider : when i do CTRL-C for irdadump it shows 919 packets received by filter |
| 18:38.28 | rredd4 | kspath: yeah, i understand. I was in here asking why my ppp didn't work, found out myself that i forgot to type in the @xxxx.com info |
| 18:38.28 | strider | what processor is an Athlon 1 ghz? |
| 18:38.50 | rredd4 | gnufan: so i man ip? |
| 18:39.00 | kspath | rredd4: a little tip to use is keep a file with all the cool commands you find out about and add a one-two line description of each. The list can double as a list of things to install as well. |
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| 18:39.31 | strider | jeffrin: that's ok. it dosen't matter how many. All we wanted to check was that the phone ir was recognised |
| 18:39.31 | Vladdy | how can i get something safer then md5 for password file? |
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| 18:39.58 | gnufan | rredd4: and "ip help"... it is a bit scary -- most beginners can ignore everything outside "ip addr" except maybe "ip link list" and one or two informational commands like that. |
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| 18:40.14 | ringo999 | strider: i found it, its k7 |
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| 18:40.39 | AKX | I got a fresh testing exim4 installation, but it can't receive mail. How can I get to the debconf for it again? |
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| 18:40.55 | Zugschlus | !drec |
| 18:40.55 | dpkg | somebody said drec was dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # Run it as root! |
| 18:41.03 | strider | ringo999: yes i think so too, but wasn't sure :P |
| 18:41.08 | rredd4 | kspath:sounds like a good idea. i will! |
| 18:41.21 | ringo999 | strider: so after i reboot, i just choose that kernel from the boot manager, thats it? |
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| 18:41.38 | nickgr | hello, I get an "input/output error during read on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disk" when trying to partion the hard disk during Debian installation any suggestions? |
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| 18:42.02 | ringo999 | strider: its installed now |
| 18:42.04 | rredd4 | so what are the most important commands a beginner can know? Is there a web site that i can look at to see them? |
| 18:42.10 | AKX | thanks |
| 18:42.16 | jeffrin | strider : is that all . is the dongle connected to my mobile phone |
| 18:42.32 | rredd4 | man pages do not give examples, I need to see how it looks |
| 18:42.35 | rredd4 | helps |
| 18:42.38 | jeffrin | strider : is my laptop connected to my mobile phone |
| 18:43.24 | ringo999 | strider: i will reboot now. lets hope it works |
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| 18:43.37 | Vladdy | ah nm, found it, just need libpam_unix2, wonder if i can get it to work on router :) |
| 18:43.40 | strider | ringo999: good luck |
| 18:43.46 | jeffrin | strider : thank you very very much. |
| 18:43.57 | jeffrin | strider : this is a big help |
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| 18:44.06 | strider | jeffrin: yes, your mobile is conected |
| 18:44.12 | gnufan | rredd4: Depends what you are doing... I think learn about a shell (man bash is boring, but gives an idea of what is possible), also I wished I'd looked at "ssh" and "rsync" and a whole host of things earlier than I did. "man man" "man info" (and being #debian, glance over the Debian reference on debian.org, so you know when you have a problem already in there, it is really good.) |
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| 18:44.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:44.22 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 18:44.28 | jeffrin | strider : thanks a lot |
| 18:44.31 | strider | jeffrin: np, just remember the modules |
| 18:44.32 | kspath | rredd4: depending on who you ask the lists vary quite a bit. my list would be most of the commands but most people can get by with only 30-50 commands. Than there is also the issue of when does a new application become a basic command. Things that used to be common in 1997 are in some cases gone. |
| 18:44.33 | jeffrin | thanks a lot |
| 18:44.48 | jeffrin | strider :thanks |
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| 18:45.07 | jeffrin | strider : i will look into the module stuff |
| 18:45.08 | strider | jeffrin: alright i got it. you're welcome :P |
| 18:45.14 | jeffrin | strider : bye |
| 18:45.18 | strider | bye |
| 18:45.23 | strider | afk |
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| 18:46.20 | kspath | rredd4: some commands are really only for scripting like tr but scripting is what even basic power users should be able to do anyway |
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| 18:47.07 | dr1v3r | damn gnufan left :( |
| 18:47.25 | dr1v3r | ok guys where do i find the virtual hosts file? |
| 18:47.45 | kspath | rredd4: you gave me an idea. I should right such a list. There are such lists everywhere on the net but 85% of them are quite weak and crappy. |
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| 18:48.30 | rredd4 | kspath: i need and idiots manual...! |
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| 18:48.53 | rredd4 | kspath: i want to see that web site when u make it! |
| 18:49.07 | kspath | rredd4: there are tons of them in print at cost. there are some free ones that are decent but I have not looked for one in years and years. |
| 18:49.42 | dr1v3r | hmmm it doesnt specify where i need to add the alias, anyone know where i would add the alias please? |
| 18:50.15 | rredd4 | kspath: the books that i look at seem to be redhat based. ugggg |
| 18:50.23 | vin` | !refcard |
| 18:50.24 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 18:50.33 | rredd4 | kspath: i work at a book dist |
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| 18:50.46 | Vladdy | woei, compiling libpam_unix2 :) |
| 18:50.53 | rredd4 | ty |
| 18:50.55 | vin` | rredd4: also look at debian-reference |
| 18:50.59 | ringo999 | strider: well, im running the new kernel, but as expected, nothing now on the alsa problem |
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| 18:51.12 | ringo999 | strider: what do you suggest doing now? |
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| 18:52.23 | rredd4 | vin`: ok, i have heard of that one, ty |
| 18:52.32 | Vladdy | woei :D |
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| 18:52.39 | Cyorxamp | Apart from FAT/FAT32 - what filesystem is the most friendly for windows & linux? (i.e. linux knows of it out of the box, and I there are nice drivers for it on windows) ??? (already considered ext2/3) |
| 18:52.49 | kspath | rredd4: deadrat based books should have some commands in them that apply to debian as well. The problem is deadrat created several that are deadrat specific and gui based. Apparently, there are a lot of people that must see pretty graphics dancing around the screen. CLI is apparently quite scary. |
| 18:52.53 | zinx | Cyorxamp: FAT32 |
| 18:53.06 | Vladdy | Cyorxamp: windows can read ext3 with the right tools |
| 18:53.11 | Cyorxamp | zinx - do you even read what I put? |
| 18:53.13 | zinx | Cyorxamp: NTFS and FAT* are the only two filesystems windows supports out of the box :D |
| 18:53.15 | strider | ringo999: same problem? |
| 18:53.15 | Cyorxamp | Same to you Vladdy |
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| 18:53.25 | rredd4 | zinx: ty i810 worked! |
| 18:53.28 | Cyorxamp | zinx - again, not read it have you? |
| 18:53.31 | zinx | rredd4: no problem |
| 18:53.36 | zinx | Cyorxamp: you're asking something like this: |
| 18:53.45 | Cyorxamp | I know what I am damn well asking |
| 18:53.46 | zinx | Cyorxamp: "Apart from the best way to do something, what's the best way to do it???" |
| 18:53.56 | Cyorxamp | Oh shut your pie hole |
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| 18:54.10 | zinx | Cyorxamp: pleasant, aren't we? |
| 18:54.22 | Cyorxamp | Well your doing the think that annoys me the most |
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| 18:54.28 | Cyorxamp | Giving a half baked answer |
| 18:54.36 | zinx | Cyorxamp: the answer you're looking for doesn't exist. |
| 18:54.38 | Cyorxamp | If you don't have one, don't give one |
| 18:54.52 | Vladdy | hm |
| 18:54.55 | ringo999 | strider: yeah, alsaconf loads alsa driver successfully, yet, gnome still uses oss... |
| 18:55.19 | Vladdy | Cyorxamp: best bet is fat 32 or ext3 :/ |
| 18:55.31 | strider | ringo999: no choice in change devices in volume control as well? |
| 18:55.34 | ringo999 | hmmmm :( |
| 18:55.39 | Cyorxamp | Well I have already said 'apart from FAT/FAT32' |
| 18:55.40 | ringo999 | nope |
| 18:55.47 | bingo | hi, can you tell me how to force the installation of a .deb? something like dpkg --force, but I dont understand how to use it |
| 18:55.50 | Cyorxamp | Read the damn question |
| 18:56.02 | zinx | Cyorxamp: maybe if you explained why FAT*/ext3 won't work for you, someone can help better, but you've probably already lost that possibility from the people in here. |
| 18:56.07 | bingo | I want to force the installation of udev |
| 18:56.14 | rredd4 | kspath: i guess i just got used to windoze. I am migrating to debian tho.. I choose debian because of apt. App depends drove me crazy. download this, then that, then that.. apt to the rescue! |
| 18:56.37 | Cyorxamp | zinx - FAT/FAT32 no good as they don't have permissions like ntfs/ext3 - and ext3 driver for windows for writing is a bit dodgy I think |
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| 18:56.44 | rredd4 | app=application |
| 18:56.44 | Cyorxamp | so I am looking for possible alternatives |
| 18:56.57 | zinx | Cyorxamp: all drivers other than NTFS and FAT* are dodgy, by that definition :/ |
| 18:57.08 | zinx | Cyorxamp: and the Linux NTFS drivers are dodgy for sure. |
| 18:57.11 | Cyorxamp | Again, your not helping are you? |
| 18:57.21 | zinx | Cyorxamp: you're not accepting the help i'm providing |
| 18:57.22 | Cyorxamp | Who ever said this was from a linux perspective |
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| 18:57.26 | zinx | Cyorxamp: i can't be blamed for that. |
| 18:57.29 | Cyorxamp | Your not helping your hindering |
| 18:57.34 | petemc | you're |
| 18:57.41 | zinx | Cyorxamp: only because you refuse to accept my help :) |
| 18:57.42 | petemc | you're being a jerk, Cyorxamp |
| 18:57.46 | blondie | Cyorxamp: the ONLY answer for windows and linux is fat32 |
| 18:57.47 | Cyorxamp | I am looking for possible alternatives... not to be told 'oh well they are all dodgy' |
| 18:57.56 | zinx | Cyorxamp: i'm not saying they are |
| 18:58.05 | zinx | Cyorxamp: i'm saying that if the ext3 driver is dodgy, then they all are |
| 18:58.11 | kspath | Cyorxamp: zinx is only helping you define the problem so that zinx and others can help you better. |
| 18:58.13 | blondie | how would permissions work between the two anyway? there's no way of enforcing them |
| 18:58.13 | zinx | Cyorxamp: because AIUI, it's pretty darn good. |
| 18:58.16 | Cyorxamp | I know alot of other filesystems exist - ones that linux can use out of the box.. |
| 18:58.29 | Cyorxamp | what I am trying to work out is if like ext3 drivers for them exist on windows |
| 18:58.32 | Cyorxamp | *for |
| 18:58.33 | bingo | can you help me please, I want to force installation of udev but I dont know how, thank you |
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| 18:58.40 | zinx | Cyorxamp: the only reasonable options are FAT32 and ext2/3 -- since you can't use FAT32 due to lack of permissions, your choice is ext2/3. |
| 18:59.01 | blondie | the permissions won't be very useful anyway ;\ |
| 18:59.04 | zinx | yeah |
| 18:59.13 | Vladdy | zinx: no use talking to him :\ |
| 18:59.15 | zinx | *nix has different permissions from windows, different ACLs, etc |
| 18:59.16 | Supaplex | Is there any reason why LVM on RAID1 fails to recall recently set volume groups? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/02/msg00112.html All this despite setting up a working network connection to (for udeb updates) |
| 18:59.19 | Cyorxamp | zinx - basically YOU - thats right YOU!!! don't have any alternatives in YOUR mind - so why say that there arenot any |
| 18:59.23 | Cyorxamp | so please stfu |
| 18:59.24 | vin` | why don't you whine elsewhere? |
| 18:59.29 | zinx | Cyorxamp: glad to help |
| 18:59.45 | zinx | and people wonder why #debian is so bitter |
| 18:59.48 | sparr | is there any easier way to do avi->dvd in linux than using transcode with a menu/layout/burning program? having to read the man page and do all the math with transcode every time is very much annoying |
| 18:59.51 | Cyorxamp | I am trying to find someone who KNOWS of alternatives |
| 18:59.54 | Vladdy | zinx: <shrug> |
| 18:59.56 | Seb | so there's no way to run xfree86 anymore in sid ? |
| 18:59.57 | blondie | there aren't any |
| 18:59.58 | blondie | nEXT! |
| 19:00.05 | Vladdy | time to test libpam_unix2 on my hlfs :D |
| 19:00.17 | guk | that's the one thing I didn't like in linux was burning DVD's |
| 19:00.23 | Supaplex | Seb: chroot install |
| 19:00.23 | sparr | Seb: compile it yourself? theres always away :) |
| 19:00.36 | Seb | Supaplex: what do you mean ? |
| 19:00.39 | guk | nero has it with Nerovision ... |
| 19:00.56 | Supaplex | !chroot install |
| 19:00.56 | dpkg | i heard chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 19:00.57 | Vladdy | Supaplex, now THERE is a pwnage game :D |
| 19:00.57 | guk | add files -> click next -> type menu title -> profit |
| 19:00.57 | Cyorxamp | essentially... |
| 19:00.57 | Cyorxamp | Ignoring FAT/FAT32/NTFS/EXT2-3 - what else (given the drivers) can windows be made to read? |
| 19:00.57 | guk | supaplex owns |
| 19:01.01 | kspath | Cyorxamp: With all your energy perhaps you can go create, augment, or fix one. |
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| 19:01.10 | sparr | guk: yeah, i use a windows program called Diko for the same thing. |
| 19:01.10 | epsilon | Cyorxamp: ask in Windows channel |
| 19:01.12 | Supaplex | hows that? :-D |
| 19:01.13 | Seb | Cyorxamp: that'd be a windows question now wouldn't it ? |
| 19:01.27 | Vladdy | this is #debian not #windows :D |
| 19:01.32 | ringo999 | strider: any other idea what to do? |
| 19:01.35 | Cyorxamp | Epilog, seb... this is also a matter (if you look at the older question) of what also linux can read out of the box |
| 19:01.38 | guk | I think there is some encoding apps for linux tho ... check out freshmeat.net |
| 19:01.41 | Cyorxamp | SO no its not entirely a windows question |
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| 19:01.47 | Supaplex | Cyorxamp: given the drivers, damn near anything |
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| 19:01.54 | davFr | 'lo |
| 19:01.54 | Seb | Supaplex: hmmm, I'm not sure how this relates to installing xfree86 though :) |
| 19:01.55 | Cyorxamp | Given the drivers EXIST |
| 19:01.55 | ringo999 | strider: the gnome mixer is playing crazy now, i cant adjust volumens anymore |
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| 19:02.02 | zinx | Cyorxamp: it can probably read reiserfs, there *may* be drivers for xfs, but reiserfs is dodgy even on windows, and I've not heard about any xfs drivers, so they're probably alpha-quality. |
| 19:02.09 | zinx | erh, even on linux |
| 19:02.15 | Supaplex | Seb: install sarge in /sarge or something |
| 19:02.24 | blondie | sigh |
| 19:02.28 | Seb | Supaplex: I see |
| 19:02.29 | zinx | Cyorxamp: so neither are options |
| 19:02.30 | Cyorxamp | zinx - NOW THATS a good god damn answer |
| 19:02.32 | Supaplex | Seb: you run sid, you're smart, I know you can do it. :) |
| 19:02.36 | blondie | you really dont want to be using *nix file systems on windows |
| 19:02.39 | Cyorxamp | That is useful information |
| 19:02.43 | blondie | the support is just too poor |
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| 19:02.47 | Seb | Supaplex: i'm sure I can too, but I expected something easier :> |
| 19:02.48 | Vladdy | woot, blowfish works :D |
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| 19:02.54 | epsilon | Cyorxamp: it must be a partition where both OS can access to? NFS or samba can't be used? |
| 19:03.01 | tarzeau | any xlibs transition experts around? |
| 19:03.03 | strider | ringo999: apart from manually modprobing the drivers, no. alsaconf generally does a good job for recognised soundcards :( |
| 19:03.12 | Cyorxamp | epsilon - another good god damn answer |
| 19:03.12 | davFr | Is there any KDE's kicker maintainer here? would like to double-check a bug before reporting it |
| 19:03.17 | Supaplex | !tell tarzeau -about anyone |
| 19:03.29 | Supaplex | davFr: bugs.debian.org |
| 19:03.34 | tarzeau | davFr: apt-cache show pkg | grep Maintain |
| 19:03.41 | Cyorxamp | epsilon - but no, this is ignoring the network |
| 19:03.55 | tarzeau | someone got an idea how to fix the x bug in links2 -3 (sid)? |
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| 19:04.17 | epsilon | Cyorxamp: if you only say "damn good" or "stfu" we can't help you much - you must tell as exactly as possible what you are planing to do |
| 19:04.34 | Cyorxamp | epsilon that does not matter |
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| 19:04.40 | bingo | I have a big problem with udev when I did a apt-get upgrade : udev needs a kernel >2.6.12 but 2.6.15 needs udev. do you know the solution? please |
| 19:04.41 | Cyorxamp | The question is quite specific |
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| 19:05.02 | ringo999 | strider: but what do you suggest now? i need to get skype working somehow. im using it to make phone calls. |
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| 19:05.10 | SperMite | hey deadcat_ you around? |
| 19:05.11 | blondie | Cyorxamp: stop being so uptight please |
| 19:05.11 | epsilon | Cyorxamp: multi OS system with common partition accessed my Linux/Windows or networking (even in loopback)? |
| 19:05.17 | SimonRaven | meh, no wonder i haven't looked at this channel in 4 days... |
| 19:05.37 | Supaplex | Cyorxamp: fat32 with umsdos (hideous) |
| 19:05.53 | Cyorxamp | Supaplex whats that? |
| 19:05.53 | strider | ringo999: what's the soundcard again? |
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| 19:06.07 | Supaplex | !gtfw |
| 19:06.15 | Supaplex | Cyorxamp: google it |
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| 19:06.29 | SimonRaven | !stfw |
| 19:06.29 | dpkg | [stfw] Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 19:06.30 | ringo999 | its an onboard sound card sis ona k7s5a elitegroup motherboard |
| 19:06.36 | loafy | in mime.types what does it mean if a mime type is listed with no extention associated with it? |
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| 19:06.51 | Supaplex | thanks SimonRaven =) |
| 19:06.54 | SimonRaven | nothing |
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| 19:07.09 | SimonRaven | extensions mean fuck all in *nix |
| 19:07.27 | Cyorxamp | Supaplex my HDD is much larger than 300mb so I think not :P |
| 19:07.35 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: yet i wouldn't want to miss them |
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| 19:07.46 | jrattner1 | Right now, I have a non working XF86Config, but it starts and corrupts the screen. Then I'm unable to switch to another terminal (CONTROL + ALT + F1) for example, or kill the xserver, CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE.. how can I get to a terminal? |
| 19:07.49 | vin` | .app :P |
| 19:07.52 | tarzeau | disk and file performance is horrible |
| 19:07.52 | loafy | SimonRaven: I know, i'm writing a web app and i want to parse the mime.types file to decide what kind of mime type to use in the header, I guess I should just ignore lines with no types? |
| 19:07.56 | vilane | i dont seem to have a .xinitrc file in my /home/user ... but any attempt at configuring a different WM to load on the starting of X has listed that i have to edit that init file. can anyone help me out? |
| 19:08.00 | SimonRaven | didn't say they weren't useful :) |
| 19:08.06 | tarzeau | vin`: i wasn't thinking about that |
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| 19:08.40 | epsilon | Cyorxamp: well if you'd tell in which special case you need a solution we could help, but as long you don't tell nothing more... |
| 19:08.43 | loafy | *lines with no extensions |
| 19:08.55 | strider | ringo999: check google, there are a lot of links. here is one ( also a bit Debian specific): http://www.linux.com/howtos/K7s5a-HOWTO.shtml#toc2 |
| 19:09.12 | Vladdy | epsilon: just give up on Cyorxamp, waste of time, just look at what he said to zinx earlier :/ |
| 19:09.17 | Cyorxamp | epsilon - I have already answered that question - stfu |
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| 19:09.37 | ringo999 | strider: thx |
| 19:09.39 | epsilon | ok, welcome joining my /ignore club |
| 19:09.48 | Vladdy | :D |
| 19:09.50 | blondie | why doesn't /etc/profile in sarge have stuff for root in? like the PATH with .../sbin etc in? |
| 19:09.52 | Supaplex | Cyorxamp: this question about OS interoibility at the filesystem level, eg, sharing multiple oses between filesystems is raised every day. There's no real good answer. FreeBSD's ext2 implementation is almost up to snuff, but it's not ext3. I can't blame them, because it's not native. Any filesystem by microsoft sucks, and lacks unix features. Most any non microsoft filesystem won't work to what you expect in Windows... |
| 19:09.54 | Cyorxamp | yippy! |
| 19:10.01 | dr1v3r | anyone know anything about alias? |
| 19:10.11 | Vladdy | blondie: should be in /root/.bash_profile |
| 19:10.18 | Cyorxamp | Supaplex - thats not an answer either |
| 19:10.25 | strider | ringo999: http://www.google.com/search?q=sound+linux+k7s5a&btnG=Search .have a look, that's all i can say :) |
| 19:10.31 | Cyorxamp | Everyone who has spoken directly to me so far - IGNORE ME |
| 19:10.33 | Supaplex | Cyorxamp: and what answer do you want? |
| 19:10.38 | Cyorxamp | That way you can't spout any more crap |
| 19:10.39 | Cyorxamp | thanx |
| 19:10.40 | Supaplex | Cyorxamp: /part |
| 19:10.47 | blondie | hm |
| 19:10.51 | jrattner1 | Right now, I have a non working XF86Config, but it starts and corrupts the screen. Then I'm unable to switch to another terminal (CONTROL + ALT + F1) for example, or kill the xserver, CONTROL + ALT + BACKSPACE.. how can I get to a terminal? |
| 19:10.54 | Cyorxamp | I'll speak with those that actually have an answer |
| 19:10.58 | zebalin7 | Hi folks. I've installed testing with KDE.... stepping 'down' from the anarchy that is sid!! What is out there similar to k3b (which is not in testing) to easily burn cds. Thanks. |
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| 19:11.09 | Vladdy | jrattner1: ssh to the box? |
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| 19:11.29 | jrattner1 | Vladdy, is the ssh server installed by default? |
| 19:11.32 | tarzeau | zebalin7: kde is different. i can't think of anything similar to it |
| 19:11.33 | Vladdy | not sure |
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| 19:11.43 | tarzeau | zebalin7: but you can always use cdrecord/cdrdao directly |
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| 19:12.02 | Vladdy | else start kernel with init=/bin/sh and then remove XFree86config |
| 19:12.03 | zebalin7 | tarzeau: that's command line stuff. I want a simple gui front end. |
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| 19:12.12 | Vladdy | rename* |
| 19:12.12 | tarzeau | zebalin7: command line stuff can be simple too |
| 19:12.26 | tarzeau | zebalin7: i don't know any simple cd burning gui, sorry |
| 19:12.28 | slug | does by any chance someone know a graficcard bios modding irc channel |
| 19:12.30 | slug | ? |
| 19:12.36 | tarzeau | zebalin7: well ok, there's xcdroast but ugh it sucks if you ask me |
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| 19:12.50 | tarzeau | slug: you have a writable bios for your video card? |
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| 19:13.04 | tarzeau | slug: i guess on x86, vga bios? i know how to dump it and create the roms... |
| 19:13.11 | tarzeau | slug: see www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 19:13.12 | zebalin7 | tarzeau: hmmm. I used that years ago with Mandrake.... before k3b. Never worked right back then! |
| 19:13.13 | Coke | Hello. I can't remember the name of the software that can burn > 4.5GB DVD's, buy me a clue? |
| 19:13.20 | slug | tarzeau: no i would flash my card with a modded rom |
| 19:13.23 | tarzeau | slug: what would you like to mod exactly about it, and for what cards? |
| 19:13.28 | Thaiger | Has anyone here used the linux-wlan-ng drivers? I got them and compiled them using modules-assistant, but when I do a depmod p80211.ko depends on itself so it ignores all the linux-wlan-ng modules because of the loop |
| 19:13.31 | strider | zebalin7: haven't used it, but try arson |
| 19:13.34 | tarzeau | slug: to accomplish what? |
| 19:13.37 | slug | v9999 td to a gt |
| 19:13.37 | Coke | ah, growisofs. nevermind! ;) |
| 19:13.38 | dr1v3r | anyone able to tell me where i enter an Alias for apache2 please? I know what to put but i couldnt find anyway that told me where to put it :( |
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| 19:13.44 | slug | that is if all pipelines work |
| 19:13.52 | tarzeau | zebalin7: it's the only thing the users we have at work (since 5 years) they get |
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| 19:13.54 | epsilon | dr1v3r: alias for servername? |
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| 19:14.06 | tarzeau | zebalin7: and it's worked fine. maybe mandrake shipped broken versions of it or just PEBKAC |
| 19:14.15 | Alias_ | Somebody called? |
| 19:14.16 | zebalin7 | arson? Hmmm. don't know that one. I see there is something called gnomebaker that looks like it will run under KDE (with the gtk libs.) |
| 19:14.18 | Alias_ | oh wait... |
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| 19:14.26 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: #apache |
| 19:14.46 | dr1v3r | no its for linking a hyperlink to a html file that is in a different directory on my system |
| 19:14.58 | quitte | how can i make a program to set the group of the files it creates to a different group than my primary group? |
| 19:15.04 | ringo999 | strider: why wont apt-get find alsa modules for the 2.6 kernel now? |
| 19:15.12 | tarzeau | quitte: c program? |
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| 19:15.19 | quitte | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:15.23 | zebalin7 | I'm scanning the etch repos with synaptic looking for software burner. |
| 19:15.35 | strider | zebalin7: gnomebaker is good. If you don't mind GTk, then it is nice. Arson is QT |
| 19:15.36 | quitte | tarzeau: reprepro |
| 19:15.38 | dr1v3r | as apache loks the directory and will not look for files outside of it, and i need to set an alias to point to this html file |
| 19:15.47 | epsilon | dr1v3r: you mean link to a file outside DocumentRoot? |
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| 19:16.10 | dr1v3r | yes |
| 19:16.31 | quitte | tarzeau: i want reprepro to be usable by all users of a group. so all files it creates have to be rw by that group |
| 19:16.35 | strider | ringo999: alsa-modules are for the 2.4 series AFAIK |
| 19:16.53 | ringo999 | mmm |
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| 19:17.23 | epsilon | dr1v3r: in vhost config as example: Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/" |
| 19:17.34 | tr1gg3r | hi, can someone tell me how to stop certian modules from autoloading in startup in sid? |
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| 19:17.51 | epsilon | dr1v3r: this will link /www.domain.tld/doc to /doc in your servers filesystem |
| 19:18.05 | epsilon | eh, to /usr/share/doc/ |
| 19:18.07 | jrattner1 | what is the command to install the newest kernel. apt-get install linux-kernel-2?//??/ |
| 19:18.10 | jrattner1 | something like that? |
| 19:18.24 | BoltActnAssault | how can i tell if i already have a program installed on my system? specificly nmap |
| 19:18.40 | tr1gg3r | dpkg -l|grep nmap |
| 19:18.46 | dr1v3r | where do i find the vhost config? |
| 19:18.48 | epsilon | dr1v3r: but break out of DocumentRoot *only if know ehich files you are linking* |
| 19:18.59 | epsilon | dr1v3r: apache2? |
| 19:19.30 | tarzeau | quitte: man 2 stat |
| 19:19.38 | tarzeau | quitte: and check the SEE ALSO |
| 19:19.43 | dr1v3r | i see vhost_alias.load |
| 19:19.51 | epsilon | jrattner1: apt-cache search kernel image |
| 19:19.57 | quitte | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 19:20.13 | vin` | tr1gg3r: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:20.16 | jrattner1 | epsilon, then install everything it finds? |
| 19:20.32 | epsilon | jrattner1: install what YOU want |
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| 19:20.36 | vilane | jrattner1: only pick the latest kernel for your hardware |
| 19:20.37 | tr1gg3r | vin`, thx |
| 19:20.55 | limpio | jrattner1, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:21.02 | bingo | is it possible to force installation of a .deb with apt? |
| 19:21.16 | quitte | tarzeau: ugh. program has to be modified for that. any other idea? a wrapper, maybe? |
| 19:21.17 | bingo | or dpkg? |
| 19:21.25 | Jhair | bingo: why don't use dpkg instead? |
| 19:21.26 | jrattner1 | what is the most recent debian kernel? |
| 19:21.34 | tarzeau | quitte: ugh, ugly... but yeah make a wrapper |
| 19:21.34 | epsilon | jrattner1: sarge? |
| 19:21.37 | vilane | 2.6.8 i believe |
| 19:21.37 | jrattner1 | yeh |
| 19:21.45 | bingo | Jhair, can you tell me how? |
| 19:21.51 | tarzeau | vilane: sid has later versions |
| 19:21.51 | quitte | tarzeau: ok. how? |
| 19:21.53 | epsilon | 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 19:21.59 | tarzeau | quitte: chown/chgrp/chmod? |
| 19:22.00 | vilane | ah |
| 19:22.08 | Jhair | bingo: do a dkpkg --force-help |
| 19:22.20 | dr1v3r | epsilon i dont see vhosts config, just vhost_alias.load |
| 19:22.21 | epsilon | dr1v3r: /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 19:22.24 | quitte | tarzeau: how would that know which files reprepro messes with? |
| 19:22.31 | bingo | Jhair, I want to force installation of udev, I dont understand how in dkpkg --force-help |
| 19:22.36 | epsilon | dr1v3r: if you have apache2 |
| 19:22.46 | tarzeau | quitte: how would i know? but i'm sure the solution can't be hard |
| 19:22.55 | dr1v3r | in that directory i only see default |
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| 19:23.21 | epsilon | dr1v3r: yes, that's the default configuration. it contains the default vhost |
| 19:23.25 | bingo | Jhair, do you know the specific command? |
| 19:23.28 | dr1v3r | ahhh rite lol |
| 19:23.32 | Jhair | bingo: ? --force-help shows the forcing options available to you, you can decide by yourself which suits your needs |
| 19:23.49 | Adi_1 | how to add gataway on Eth1 |
| 19:24.02 | jrattner1 | epsilon, I did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686...will that also automatically install and upgrade all other dependencies |
| 19:24.12 | epsilon | jrattner1: then do it |
| 19:24.32 | jrattner1 | epsilon, hehe i meant will it? |
| 19:24.54 | epsilon | jrattner1: if it has dependencies, yes |
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| 19:25.10 | epsilon | jrattner1: see apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:25.42 | dr1v3r | just another quick one epsilon i will have to add a link to everything even images that are associated with that html i am linking to wont i? |
| 19:25.43 | epsilon | Adi_1: you mean "route"? |
| 19:25.45 | Sirgado | trying to switch from Sarge to Etch I get packages unistalled like k3b,amarok or qtparted.... is that normal? |
| 19:25.53 | tarzeau | Sirgado: yes |
| 19:26.07 | quitte | can i maybe set some umask or something so that all files that get created in a dir are owned by some group? |
| 19:26.20 | Sirgado | so, how can i get those packages in Etch? is there any unoffical repository? |
| 19:26.31 | tarzeau | Sirgado: there's sid |
| 19:26.41 | tarzeau | Sirgado: you don't want unofficial repositories. believe me |
| 19:26.47 | epsilon | dr1v3r: link the directory, everything inside having access right for apache will be available in the website |
| 19:26.52 | Sirgado | livning on the edge... |
| 19:27.01 | tarzeau | Sirgado: that's with experimental |
| 19:27.02 | Sirgado | even marillat or allioth |
| 19:27.09 | SperMite | deadcat? |
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| 19:27.22 | epsilon | dr1v3r: so be very careful, if you link /etc to DocumentRoot on a public server, you'd have serious security prblem |
| 19:27.25 | tarzeau | i wouldn't call that on the edge |
| 19:27.34 | limpio | jrattner1, after you're thru, read the APT-HOWTO http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto it will answer a lot of your questions |
| 19:27.39 | Adi_1 | epsilon: yes |
| 19:27.50 | epsilon | Adi_1: man route |
| 19:28.00 | epsilon | Adi_1: you need something like "route add..." |
| 19:28.14 | epsilon | which will point your "gw" |
| 19:28.17 | dr1v3r | epsilon its just var/bandwidthd that i am linking so it should be ok |
| 19:28.25 | jfs | is there sth. like ssh-agent for gpg-keys to be able to reuse the unlocked keys? |
| 19:28.47 | Adi_1 | I though that I nees to add gateway, cuz I want to connect my pc on internet through adsl |
| 19:28.53 | Adi_1 | but i have problem |
| 19:28.56 | epsilon | dr1v3r: I don't know what inside it and where the apache is running. Decide yourself. |
| 19:28.57 | quitte | ah yes. chmod 2xxx |
| 19:29.01 | Sirgado | tarzeau, really? a year or two ago I had Sid, and I had some troubles... not very big problems, but sometimes something get broken |
| 19:29.01 | Adi_1 | can't read pppoe PID file /var/run/pppoe.conf-adsl.pid.pppoe) |
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| 19:29.16 | ringo999 | how do i unpack bz2? |
| 19:29.23 | Vladdy | ringo999: bunzip2 |
| 19:29.26 | Vladdy | ;) |
| 19:29.30 | epsilon | Adi_1: ehm, using pon/poff stuff? |
| 19:29.36 | Supaplex | ringo999: or man bzip2 |
| 19:29.44 | Vladdy | or if it's a tar.bz2, tar jxf blah.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:29.54 | Adi_1 | whats pon/poff |
| 19:30.06 | Jhair | Adi_1: scripts |
| 19:30.24 | epsilon | Adi_1: how did you configure dsl? |
| 19:30.27 | Adi_1 | my ehts are up and i use rp-pppoe |
| 19:31.03 | epsilon | Adi_1: did you try "ppoeconf"? |
| 19:31.20 | epsilon | pppoeconf |
| 19:31.29 | efaistos | does someone have this message in sid when trying to play some videos with mplayer or totem --> Creating link /home/efaistos/.kde/socket-Blackbox. |
| 19:31.29 | efaistos | can't create mcop directory |
| 19:31.32 | Adi_1 | I set it |
| 19:31.42 | Adi_1 | just like my friend |
| 19:31.43 | dr1v3r | ohhh epsilon for the linking on th webpage do i just do it as you normally would for a url except change the http:// to /directory |
| 19:31.58 | Adi_1 | and he can connect I can`t |
| 19:32.28 | Adi_1 | I installed pppd and all i need |
| 19:32.30 | epsilon | usualy pppoeconf should setup all dsl stuff automated, incl interface setting |
| 19:32.40 | SMIRNOFF | eae gurizada do mal |
| 19:32.57 | epsilon | dr1v3r: ? |
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| 19:33.15 | Adi_1 | every time a start adsl-start it sad TIME OUT |
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| 19:33.43 | epsilon | Adi_1: what do the logs say? |
| 19:33.43 | Adi_1 | and sometimes it say |
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| 19:33.56 | Adi_1 | viwanet:/usr/sbin# adsl-start |
| 19:33.56 | Adi_1 | adsl-start: There already seems to be an ADSL connection up (PID 4874) |
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| 19:34.07 | Adi_1 | but nothing |
| 19:34.16 | epsilon | Adi_1: ps aux | grep ppp |
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| 19:34.36 | toad_ | how much work is it to go from etch/testing back to sarge (without a full reinstall)? a day? |
| 19:34.46 | blondie | toad_: it's not really possible |
| 19:34.57 | Adi_1 | viwanet:/usr/sbin# ps aux | grep ppp |
| 19:34.57 | Adi_1 | Unknown HZ value! (93) Assume 100. |
| 19:34.57 | Adi_1 | root 7347 0.0 0.3 1548 448 ttyp0 S 20:35 0:00 grep ppp |
| 19:34.58 | toad_ | somebody here said he'd done it ... |
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| 19:35.02 | epsilon | toad_: impossible |
| 19:35.10 | toad_ | okay |
| 19:35.32 | toad_ | anyone used fglrx recently? is it reasonably stable, reasonably easy to install? |
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| 19:36.03 | erhanugur | hi |
| 19:36.29 | dr1v3r | epsilon its ok i have done it :D |
| 19:36.35 | dr1v3r | thank you so much your magic :D |
| 19:36.39 | epsilon | np |
| 19:36.54 | Leknaat | toad_: I found it quite easy and I've had not trouble with it so far. |
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| 19:37.00 | blondie | umm how can I replace a sun disk label with a dos one? |
| 19:37.03 | erhanugur | gcc -o test -Wall test.c |
| 19:37.03 | erhanugur | suidtest.c: In function 'main': |
| 19:37.04 | erhanugur | suidtest.c:12: warning: implicit declaration of function 'exit' |
| 19:37.04 | erhanugur | suidtest.c:12: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'exit' |
| 19:37.04 | erhanugur | suidtest.c:16: warning: not enough variable arguments to fit a sentinel |
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| 19:37.12 | blondie | (or whatever the normal one is on x86) |
| 19:37.22 | Jhair | ouch |
| 19:37.32 | toad_ | Leknaat well, I get crashes with my gf 5200, and with my r9k (with the open drivers) |
| 19:37.55 | toad_ | so i suppose the other option is to try the r9k with the closed drivers |
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| 19:38.14 | toad_ | as it's quite possible the r9k crashes are due to the recent issues with r300 support |
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| 19:38.54 | toad_ | (r9k is rv250, but it may be that the changes to the kernel to support the r300...) |
| 19:39.15 | toad_ | third option is just to try etch |
| 19:39.22 | toad_ | so far i've only tried backported x server |
| 19:39.26 | toad_ | on sarge |
| 19:39.30 | sparr | anyone have a working apt source for marillat? |
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| 19:40.26 | toad_ | sparr: what dpkg says doesn't work? |
| 19:40.53 | Adi_1 | epsilon: have idea ? |
| 19:40.55 | sparr | i have this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
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| 19:41.09 | sparr | and i get this: W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:41.10 | jfs | when i run gpg-agent --daemon, is there a way to give him the Passphrase for a certain key? like with ssh-agent and then ssh-add? |
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| 19:41.50 | FlopsyPete | hi. whenever I load GNOME I have to re-run alsa-conf for it to use my preferred sound card. someone said I need to change the order GNOME chooses the sound cards in to add my preffered at the top. what file is this in please? |
| 19:41.53 | toad_ | okay, /me will try r9k with fglrx... |
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| 19:43.07 | epsilon | Adi_1: nope, i can't make picture of your problem |
| 19:44.18 | ignotus | (#:~/bin)- fdformat /dev/fd0 |
| 19:44.18 | ignotus | Double-sided, 80 tracks, 18 sec/track. Total capacity 1440 kB. // Formatting ... done // Verifying ... done |
| 19:44.18 | ignotus | (#:~/bin)- mkdosfs /dev/fd0 |
| 19:44.18 | ignotus | mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) // mkdosfs: Attempting to create a too large file system |
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| 19:45.00 | ignotus | (#:~/bin)- fdformat /dev/fd0 || Double-sided, 80 tracks, 18 sec/track. Total capacity 1440 kB. // Formatting ... done // Verifying ... done || (#:~/bin)- mkdosfs /dev/fd0 || mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) // mkdosfs: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 19:45.02 | ignotus | what is this??:-o |
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| 19:45.46 | Vladdy | A DISKETTE! |
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| 19:47.01 | peterS | ignotus: strange. that should not happen. |
| 19:47.17 | peterS | ignotus: what version of dosfstools have you got? 'dpkg -l dosfstools' will tell |
| 19:47.41 | peterS | oh, you said already, it's some form of version 2.11 |
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| 19:48.50 | rift | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.53 | rift | oups |
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| 19:49.18 | peterS | ignotus: try a workaround: mkdosfs /dev/fd0u1440 - that makes the size explicit, although it should not be needed as /dev/fd0 will detect what the floppy format is |
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| 19:49.44 | sparr | how unusual is it for "(Reading database ..." to take 3-5 minutes? |
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| 19:50.07 | Vladdy | sparr: depends on size of database? |
| 19:50.11 | Supaplex | sparr: that varies on the machine, load, and number of packages |
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| 19:50.37 | rehan | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 19:53.37 | Manolis | Hello - Can someone help me with the "touch" command please? |
| 19:53.52 | Manolis | I can't seem to change a file's creation/modified date to save my life |
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| 19:54.27 | mne | hi, I've a bt848 tv-card. Can you suggest any video recording applucation to capture movies on TV ? |
| 19:54.53 | Manolis | mne: MythTV is great but a bit tough to get going sometimes |
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| 19:55.13 | Manolis | mne: otherwise mplayer is great for that too --> http://www.mplayerhq.hu |
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| 19:55.23 | mne | Manolis, thx, I'm trying it out. what about vdr ? |
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| 19:55.55 | Manolis | mne: I'm not familiar with that, but you should shoot for getting MythTV working, it'll even do commercial skipping |
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| 19:56.23 | X3n0 | Greetings, can I get some help with installing a package? "Libxxf86dga1" |
| 19:56.27 | mne | Manolis, cool ! I guess that's what I want then. thank you |
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| 19:57.39 | Manolis | mne: MythTV has some steeper hardware requirements than just using mplayer, but if you have the requirements it's like having a TiVo for free, it's magical |
| 19:58.03 | Manolis | mne: http://www.mythtv.org |
| 19:58.03 | X3n0 | Greetings, can I get some help with installing a package? "Libxxf86dga1" When I do "dpkg --install libxxf86dg1" in terminal I get an error that it cannot find the file. |
| 19:58.19 | mne | Manolis, nice |
| 19:58.30 | mrverbose | where can i get the sources for debian-sarge latest 2.6 kernel? i need to download them on another box |
| 19:58.32 | _Brandon_ | hi, there are some codecs to play m4v on linux? |
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| 19:59.13 | Manolis | X3n0: you have the file libxxf86dg1.deb in that same directory? |
| 19:59.15 | sparr | Supaplex: 1.5ghz, 1GB ram, no other load, 3000ish packages |
| 19:59.30 | X3n0 | Yes |
| 19:59.32 | zinx | X3n0: why do you need to install it? |
| 19:59.34 | X3n0 | Manolis: Yes I do |
| 19:59.39 | X3n0 | zinx: For Wine |
| 19:59.50 | zinx | X3n0: apt-get install wine doesn't pull it in automatically? |
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| 19:59.54 | X3n0 | zinx: It is a depend file |
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| 19:59.59 | zinx | or aptitude install wine, whatever |
| 20:00.03 | X3n0 | zinx: I am using Synaptic |
| 20:00.16 | zinx | X3n0: synaptic doesn't install it automatically when you select wine? |
| 20:00.26 | dr1v3r | anyone able to have alook at this http://pastebin.com/538961 and tell me how i can fix it please? |
| 20:00.28 | X3n0 | zinx: Correct, it does not find it in the library files |
| 20:00.34 | zinx | X3n0: what does it say? |
| 20:00.45 | X3n0 | zinx: In terminal it says it cannot find file or directory |
| 20:00.53 | Manolis | mne: What's the machine you are using? CPU type & speed & video card? |
| 20:00.58 | zinx | X3n0: that makes no sense |
| 20:01.03 | CLucas916 | has anyone had there boot up hang during the startup of the services after init 2 |
| 20:01.05 | tyranix | Manolis: hmm 'touch file' should change the access/modify time to the current time. Use -t to specify a different date/time. |
| 20:01.06 | an0y | slt |
| 20:01.07 | X3n0 | zinx: In synmatic it says it is instlaled a broken package with Wine because not all dependencies are fulfilled. |
| 20:01.11 | dr1v3r | guys to change your hostname its hostname -a newname is that correct? |
| 20:01.28 | zinx | X3n0: you wouldn't happen to be mixing stable with testing or unstable, would you? |
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| 20:01.43 | X3n0 | zinx: I wouldn't know. |
| 20:01.44 | mne | Manolis, x86 athlon xp 3000 with bt848 hauppauge tv-card |
| 20:01.49 | Manolis | tyranix: I think it's the time stamp format that I'm struggling with, could you give me an example please? |
| 20:01.56 | X3n0 | zinx: I got the package from ubuntu.org I belive |
| 20:02.04 | zinx | X3n0: the wine package?? |
| 20:02.08 | CLucas916 | has anyone had there boot up hang during the startup of the services after init 2 |
| 20:02.19 | X3n0 | zinz: The libxx package |
| 20:02.20 | tyranix | Manolis: touch -t 0601221109 draw.h # means change to Jan 22, 2006 11:09am |
| 20:02.31 | zinx | X3n0: you shouldn't need the libxx package in the first place |
| 20:02.33 | X3n0 | zinx: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/libs/libxxf86dga1 |
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| 20:02.43 | zinx | X3n0: and you certainly shouldn't take it from ubuntu |
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| 20:02.57 | zinx | X3n0: unless you're using ubuntu, in which case you should move on over to #ubuntu :/ |
| 20:02.59 | Manolis | mne: and the Video out ? hOpefully it's an nVida card? |
| 20:03.08 | X3n0 | zinx: Where should I find that same package for Debian? |
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| 20:03.27 | zinx | X3n0: synaptic should handle all the dependencies for your |
| 20:03.29 | zinx | erh, you |
| 20:03.38 | dr1v3r | anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:03.45 | zinx | X3n0: if it doesn't, then there's something *VERY WRONG*, and you should not try to hack around it by pulling the package manually |
| 20:03.50 | mne | Manolis, video out ? if you mean the graphic card, it's an nvidia running with the nvidia.com drivers |
| 20:04.02 | X3n0 | zinx: Alright, can you help me find the correct Wine download? |
| 20:04.08 | zinx | X3n0: which release of debian are you running (sarge aka stable, etch aka testing, or sid aka unstable) |
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| 20:04.19 | X3n0 | zinz: 3.1 I am unsure of anything else |
| 20:04.19 | zinx | X3n0: you shouldn't have to download it from anywhere |
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| 20:04.38 | X3n0 | zinx: Is wine installed already with Debian? |
| 20:04.39 | zinx | X3n0: you should be able to select it to install in synaptic, and have synaptic download it and install it for you |
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| 20:04.50 | X3n0 | zinx: Under what folder? |
| 20:04.56 | zinx | X3n0: if you got packages from somewhere else, and installed them, then it'll be quite bad |
| 20:05.11 | JMTeal | anyone know where to add stty erase ^? to make my backspace work in aptitude? |
| 20:05.15 | Manolis | tyranix: hrrm, that doesn't complain but the date's the same with "ls -alshc file.txt" |
| 20:05.22 | zinx | X3n0: the wine binary would go to /usr/bin/wine, but the rest would go all over the place, as is common with *nix packages |
| 20:05.27 | X3n0 | zinx: How do I check which release of Debian I am running? |
| 20:05.46 | zinx | X3n0: grep deb /etc/apt/sources |
| 20:05.47 | Manolis | mne: you are totally set! Get MythTV installed and get ready to be simply amazed! |
| 20:05.55 | biteme | is schmegma a technical term? |
| 20:05.57 | zinx | erh |
| 20:05.59 | zinx | X3n0: grep deb /etc/apt/sources.list :D |
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| 20:06.08 | sparr | im trying to compile a program that wants ImageMagick 6.0+. ive got it, but "Magick++-config" is missing. apt-file has never heard of it. help? |
| 20:06.32 | tyranix | Manolis: touch only changes the access/modification time. |
| 20:06.35 | mrverbose | is debian using vanilla kernels? |
| 20:06.37 | X3n0 | zinx: Sarge Main |
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| 20:06.45 | zinx | X3n0: if you've been downloading .debs manually, and manually installing them, then you probably have some stuff to clean up |
| 20:06.46 | mne | Manolis, cool. I can even install it with apt-get, unfortunately I just have a dependency problem (not mythtv related). but thats another story ;) |
| 20:06.49 | mrverbose | or are the stock kernels patched? |
| 20:06.56 | JMTeal | x3n0 > cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:06.59 | zinx | mrverbose: linux-image-* are patched |
| 20:07.06 | Manolis | tyranix: am I thinking of "creation date" ? |
| 20:07.11 | X3n0 | zinx: I believe I only installed one. |
| 20:07.13 | mrverbose | zinx: where can i get sources and/or patches? |
| 20:07.25 | JMTeal | x3n0 > cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:07.25 | X3n0 | zinx: Can you assist me with one more thing? |
| 20:07.29 | zinx | X3n0: remove it with dpkg --remove, and use synaptic to install stuff from now on |
| 20:07.31 | CLucas916 | has anyone had there boot up hang during the startup of the services after init 2 |
| 20:07.34 | X3n0 | JMTeal: Thanks JM. :) |
| 20:07.41 | X3n0 | zinx: Alright. |
| 20:07.42 | mrverbose | i need to build a specific module for a debian box that cannot tolerate a compiler-environment |
| 20:07.44 | Manolis | mne: What's your other dependency problem? |
| 20:07.45 | zinx | mrverbose: linux-source-* |
| 20:08.06 | mrverbose | zinx: where can i get the package, not via apt |
| 20:08.06 | zinx | mrverbose: or you can get just the patch from linux-patch-* |
| 20:08.10 | X3n0 | zinx: Laptop w/ ATI Radeon mobility.. Can you assist me in installing graphic drivers for it? |
| 20:08.15 | zinx | mrverbose: ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 20:08.17 | JMTeal | x3n0 np |
| 20:08.22 | zinx | mrverbose: or your other favorite mirror. |
| 20:08.22 | JMTeal | anyone know where to add stty erase ^? to make my backspace work in aptitude? |
| 20:08.37 | peterS | Manolis: change /tmp/foo timestamp to 2003-Apr-13, 12:01 pm: touch -t 200304131201 /tmp/foo |
| 20:08.49 | peterS | Manolis: change /tmp/bar timestamp to same as /tmp/foo: touch -r /tmp/foo /tmp/bar |
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| 20:09.00 | JMTeal | how do i update sources.list from that interface (like during install) |
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| 20:09.18 | mne | Manolis, I'm running sarge, since the last upgrade I have problems installing packages (vlc, k3b, mythtv, ...). If you want I can paste the output of apt-get to some pasting website. |
| 20:09.24 | zinx | X3n0: that's somewhat tricky at the moment, as there are no kernel module packages |
| 20:09.27 | rpt | Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.1520060110) - this is what i get when running apt-get, i dont even use/have that image how do I get rid of that dep? |
| 20:09.44 | X3n0 | zinx: Oh... so... What odes that mean to a noobie? :D |
| 20:09.45 | zinx | X3n0: so unless you really want 3d, i recommend just using the radeon or ati driver (which the X config stuff should have auto-detected) |
| 20:09.50 | peterS | Manolis: to specify a different timezone: TZ=Australia/Melbourne touch -t 200304131201 /tmp/foo |
| 20:10.17 | zinx | X3n0: it means you'll have some compiling to do if you really want 3d |
| 20:10.27 | X3n0 | zinx: I am unsure if the X config detected it. |
| 20:10.29 | Manolis | mne: sure, let me take a look |
| 20:10.46 | X3n0 | zinx: If I change my resolution it overlaps badly, I can't use anything except 800x600 |
| 20:10.50 | mne | Manolis, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1744 |
| 20:10.51 | JMTeal | anyone know where to add stty erase ^? to make my backspace work in aptitude? |
| 20:10.53 | JMTeal | how do i update sources.list from that interface (like during install) |
| 20:10.58 | zinx | X3n0: grep -i Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:11.00 | tyranix | Manolis: http://pastebin.ca/40000 |
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| 20:11.05 | rpt | also comes with error dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.1520060110 (--configure): |
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| 20:11.30 | carlosz | hi, trying to install debian from disketts, how can i put the images on the disketts from windows? |
| 20:11.31 | zinx | X3n0: and ignore the mouse/keyboard ones :) |
| 20:11.57 | peterS | carlosz: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/ - download rwwrtwin and use that |
| 20:12.07 | carlosz | petemc, ok thanks |
| 20:12.11 | peterS | np |
| 20:12.12 | X3n0 | zinx: No such file or directory |
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| 20:12.33 | X3n0 | xeno@saga:~$ grep i- Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:12.33 | X3n0 | grep: Driver: No such file or directory |
| 20:12.35 | zinx | X3n0: hmm, try XF86Config without the -4, and xorg.conf.. though, i thought X.org was added after sarge |
| 20:12.38 | zinx | oh |
| 20:12.42 | zinx | X3n0: -i, not i- |
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| 20:13.04 | X3n0 | Ok it gives me 1 keyboard 2 mice 1 ati |
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| 20:13.34 | zinx | X3n0: it did autodetect the driver, then |
| 20:13.39 | JPX | hey, does anyone know what the debian equivalent of slackware's /etc/dir_colors? i looked in man and it says debian ignores this. |
| 20:13.48 | Larsiaa | Is it possibel to make so that a user only can see he's own proccess in ps aux? |
| 20:13.48 | X3n0 | zinx: Ok then how would I change my resolution without it overlapping? |
| 20:13.54 | zinx | X3n0: not sure :/ |
| 20:13.57 | X3n0 | zinx: Also, the /usr/bin/Wine does not exist. |
| 20:14.03 | peterS | JPX: you can set your own DIRCOLORS environment variable from your shell startup files |
| 20:14.06 | JMTeal | JPX like for ls, colored output? |
| 20:14.10 | zinx | X3n0: it's /usr/bin/wine, and you'll need to install it |
| 20:14.19 | X3n0 | zinx: With Synatpic? |
| 20:14.22 | zinx | X3n0: yes |
| 20:14.26 | zinx | X3n0: the package name is "wine" |
| 20:14.35 | JPX | peterS:is this in .bashrc? |
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| 20:14.41 | peterS | JPX: it can be |
| 20:14.42 | X3n0 | zinx: Libwine? |
| 20:14.47 | zinx | X3n0: just "wine" |
| 20:14.49 | Manolis | mne: can you complete a standard "apt-get update ; apt-get u upgrade" without any errors? |
| 20:14.57 | peterS | JPX: to set an environment variable: export DIRCOLORS="....." |
| 20:14.58 | CLucas916 | has anyone had there boot up hang during the startup of the services after init 2 |
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| 20:15.06 | X3n0 | zinx: Installing |
| 20:15.11 | JPX | k |
| 20:15.17 | Larsiaa | Is it possibel to make so that a user only can see he's own proccess in ps aux? or w? |
| 20:15.18 | X3n0 | zinx: What does the display overlapping mean when I switch resolutions? |
| 20:15.19 | JPX | thx peterS |
| 20:15.35 | zinx | X3n0: the drivers probably don't work well with your card |
| 20:15.44 | X3n0 | zinx: Where/how would I apply different drivers? |
| 20:15.47 | mne | Manolis, yes, that works without problems. |
| 20:15.49 | zinx | X3n0: you can go to ati.com and get the drivers there, but they're somewhat difficult to install |
| 20:15.50 | peterS | JPX: hmmm, it looks like /bin/ls recognises LS_COLORS, not DIRCOLORS |
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| 20:15.59 | X3n0 | zinx: Ati.com refers back to debian.com |
| 20:16.11 | JPX | ya, i saw that in man |
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| 20:16.22 | mne | Manolis, maybe there are some entries with conflicting packages in my sources.list ... |
| 20:16.26 | peterS | I could've sworn it was DIRCOLORS, but no |
| 20:16.28 | zinx | X3n0: i don't believe there are drivers for flgrx in sarge, however |
| 20:16.28 | ringo999 | strider: im trying to install the alsa from hand now. i installed the kernel sources as well. running the alsa ./configure i get the error message The file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/include/linux/version.h does not exist. |
| 20:16.33 | ringo999 | Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 20:16.35 | ringo999 | or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel |
| 20:16.37 | ringo999 | sources (default is /usr/src/linux). |
| 20:16.51 | ringo999 | whats this vesrion.h file? |
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| 20:16.56 | X3n0 | zinx: When you refered to getting 3D for my grapics card and you said I'll be compiling, what did you mean by that? |
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| 20:17.08 | JPX | i'll also take a look in /etc/skel/.bash_profile |
| 20:17.12 | Manolis | mne: can you post your sources.list for me? |
| 20:17.12 | zinx | X3n0: they have a .run download somewhere which will either generate debianized packages which you can manually install, or install subverting the package manager (doubt that works well; never tried it) |
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| 20:17.21 | zinx | X3n0: they require a kernel module |
| 20:17.22 | mne | Manolis, yep, just a moment |
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| 20:17.32 | X3n0 | zinx: Noob that down some please. |
| 20:17.36 | zinx | X3n0: even testing/unstable do not come with the pre-compiled kernel module |
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| 20:17.43 | tziku | hello, where are iptraf logs ? |
| 20:17.44 | zinx | X3n0: you have to compile the kernel module for your running kernel |
| 20:17.46 | chino[server] | is there no tomcat package ? |
| 20:17.48 | JMTeal | JPX in the original .bashrc there is a commented out section to handle that.. |
| 20:17.59 | X3n0 | zinx: Noob down 'compiling' and 'kernel module' |
| 20:18.03 | zinx | X3n0: since modules for other kernels are incompatible |
| 20:18.06 | X3n0 | zinx :) |
| 20:18.13 | zinx | X3n0: can't, it's magic :) |
| 20:18.19 | X3n0 | zinx lies |
| 20:18.27 | strider | ringo999: you need to get the corresponding linux-headers package |
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| 20:18.30 | JMTeal | how do i update sources.list from that interface (like during install) |
| 20:18.34 | JMTeal | anyone know where to add stty erase ^? to make my backspace work in aptitude? |
| 20:18.37 | mne | Manolis, http://channels.debian.net/paste/1745 |
| 20:18.39 | JPX | JMTeal: ya, i commented out those lines |
| 20:19.00 | strider | ringo999: though i don't know why it's not working for you. It's a pretty old card and drivers should already be there |
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| 20:19.01 | Matt-H | JMTeal: apt-setup |
| 20:19.03 | kspath | zinx: make sure the switch is set to More Majik |
| 20:19.03 | mrverbose | grrrml |
| 20:19.05 | zinx | X3n0: before attempting, in any case, you'll want to install the "build-essential" package via synaptic.. it won't hurt anything if you never use it, so don't worry if you decide not to try |
| 20:19.06 | rpt | anyone have an idea about the missing kernel image, i couldnt find anything from google :( |
| 20:19.12 | JMTeal | thx matt |
| 20:19.21 | X3n0 | zinx: So you do not knowof what to do to make my resolution bigger? |
| 20:19.24 | mrverbose | of course sarge has such an old kernel, that testings default gcc doenst compile it.... |
| 20:19.38 | chuck22 | can someone tell me how do i start x? |
| 20:19.39 | JMTeal | matt ... for which problem...? the ^? prob or the sources? |
| 20:19.41 | ringo999 | strider: oh the headers package...i got the tree thing |
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| 20:19.49 | Estes | Hey everyone :) Anyone knows what i should do about this when i ssh to an host ? Permission denied (publickey). |
| 20:19.50 | zinx | X3n0: i don't know exactly what's causing the problem -- there may be something you can do without installing the fglrx drivers, but installing the fglrx drivers will almost certainly fix it. |
| 20:19.51 | JPX | k thx peterS & JMTeal |
| 20:19.55 | Matt-H | JMTeal: the sources.list |
| 20:19.58 | Manolis | mne: wow that's a lot |
| 20:20.02 | X3n0 | zinx: Fglrx drivers = ? |
| 20:20.05 | JMTeal | matt any idea on the ^? |
| 20:20.11 | zinx | X3n0: the drivers from www.ati.com |
| 20:20.14 | JMTeal | it's more of an annoyance than a problem.. |
| 20:20.17 | X3n0 | zinx: Ok. |
| 20:20.18 | Matt-H | JMTeal: nope... |
| 20:20.29 | X3n0 | zinx: If/after I get the package can you help me install it? |
| 20:20.31 | tyranix | Estes: That server only accepts public key authentication. Good! |
| 20:20.39 | JMTeal | just hate typing ^H instead of being able to BS |
| 20:20.53 | mne | Manolis, most of it is commented out ;) Most of the entries are from the time when sarge was not out |
| 20:20.55 | zinx | X3n0: i probably won't be around, but you can also try #ati, though they might not be very helpful |
| 20:21.09 | X3n0 | zinx: You are leaving? |
| 20:21.35 | Manolis | mne: I'm not sure that the MythTV debian packages are being maintained anymore |
| 20:21.36 | mrverbose | thats gonna take days |
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| 20:21.40 | peterS | JMTeal: you can always ctrl-backspace (: |
| 20:21.59 | peterS | JMTeal: but wait, what type of terminal are you on? all debian terminal setups should default to ^? |
| 20:22.00 | Manolis | mne: it's a tough job, but you might want to compile it from source, are you comfortable with that? |
| 20:22.07 | zinx | X3n0: got other things to do :/ |
| 20:22.11 | mne | Manolis, yes, no problem |
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| 20:22.31 | X3n0 | zinx: Lies! |
| 20:23.01 | zOap | I feel frustrated that Google chose Ubuntu for their GooBuntu OS. Why go for the less stable when they can go directly to the source, debian? |
| 20:23.03 | JMTeal | peters ssh from a Mac |
| 20:23.17 | X3n0 | zinx: What was hte other package you suggested I should install even if I do not use it? |
| 20:23.21 | SimonRaven | zOap: eh? |
| 20:23.41 | Matt-H | zOap: "gooBian" doesn't sound as good is probably their reason ;) |
| 20:23.45 | an0y | zOap : i feel frustrated too ... |
| 20:23.49 | SimonRaven | JMTeal: macssh, or mock os x in Terminal+ssh? |
| 20:23.49 | peterS | JMTeal: so, wait, 'stty -a' shows backspace as ^H but the mac ssh client actually sends ^? |
| 20:23.52 | peterS | ? |
| 20:23.53 | zinx | zOap: no one here hates ubuntu; though a large number hate users who think ubuntu and debian are exactly the same :) |
| 20:23.53 | magyar | is there a descent media media player for kde? |
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| 20:23.58 | zOap | SimonRaven, you have heard of Googles Goobuntu? |
| 20:23.58 | JMTeal | my "backspace" is the delete key, ^H |
| 20:24.01 | zinx | X3n0: build-essential |
| 20:24.11 | SimonRaven | zOap: no |
| 20:24.14 | X3n0 | zinx :Thanks. |
| 20:24.24 | zOap | zinx, I don't hate Ubuntu either, I just feel it |
| 20:24.28 | zOap | 's less than Deb |
| 20:24.32 | X3n0 | zinx: Have aim? |
| 20:24.39 | zinx | X3n0: nope |
| 20:24.40 | zOap | SimonRaven, you're the lucky one:O |
| 20:24.41 | JMTeal | peters it works in the shell, but apt doesn't get it... ^H works for the shell, but for some reason it sends ^? in aptitude |
| 20:25.00 | Estes | tyranix, what you mean good ? and i need to access the server.... fortunatly, i'm root on the server, what should i look at ? |
| 20:25.00 | peterS | JMTeal: bash accepts both, so yeah |
| 20:25.07 | SimonRaven | i've been busy all week with practice and trying to set up an atom feed that i liked the layout; still aren't happy, quite |
| 20:25.31 | tyranix | Estes: I mean it's good that the server only allows public key authentication so you can't (realistically) brute force passwords. |
| 20:25.42 | zOap | Anyone know how to restrict telnet to certain users, btw? |
| 20:25.51 | peterS | JMTeal: this is confusing. I'm still not sure I understand which direction the error is. what does 'stty -a' say about 'erase'? |
| 20:25.52 | JMTeal | well i changed it to ^? and it still works in shell ... ? |
| 20:25.54 | Vladdy | zOap: telnet is evil, ssh is good |
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| 20:25.58 | Estes | i see |
| 20:25.59 | tyranix | Estes: If you need access, you have to login from a machine where you have a private key that corresponds to the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote server. |
| 20:26.10 | zOap | Vladdy, agreed, but I need it for certain things.. |
| 20:26.14 | Estes | oh, ok |
| 20:26.16 | Estes | ty |
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| 20:26.40 | tyranix | Estes: All of my machines that run ssh are setup that way. :) |
| 20:26.43 | JMTeal | peters well it used to say ^H... but i tried changing it to ^?... now it still works in shell, but aptitude still prints ^? when i try to "backspace" |
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| 20:27.25 | Estes | tyranix, how do i disable this ? |
| 20:27.32 | Estes | i don't need this security level |
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| 20:28.03 | rpt | lets try this another way, where is apt cache? where i can see what ive installed |
| 20:28.05 | tyranix | Estes: Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change the line to say "PasswordAuthentication yes". |
| 20:28.10 | JMTeal | is there a input config file for aptitude? |
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| 20:28.44 | peterS | JMTeal: so the backspace key generates ^?, and debian used to *think* it generated ^H, and now debian thinks it generates ^?, but even so, aptitude prints ^? rather than backspacing. am I right? |
| 20:28.57 | Manolis | mne: good luck, it's definately doable and when you get it going you'll love it! You can install most if not all of the dependencies with apt |
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| 20:29.04 | SimonRaven | JMTeal: do you have me on /ignore? |
| 20:29.06 | DeadlyNinja | where is the correct play to put module options? |
| 20:29.23 | DeadlyNinja | err, where is the correct place to put module options? |
| 20:29.27 | mne | Manolis, thank you for helping. |
| 20:29.30 | peterS | JMTeal: hmm, interesting, for me (erase is ^?), aptitude accepts both ^? and ^H for backspacing in input fields |
| 20:29.32 | JMTeal | peters yeah you got it... not actually sure what my key generates though... i just know it worked without ever doing anything to it... |
| 20:29.43 | SimonRaven | /etc/modules after the module name |
| 20:30.13 | SimonRaven | i'll assume yes ... |
| 20:30.24 | peterS | JMTeal: try this: (stty cbreak; cat) then type backspace, you should see it. ctrl-c to get out |
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| 20:31.02 | kreig | hey, I need some installer fu |
| 20:31.02 | evilbulgarian | anyone here using a megaraid scsi card ? |
| 20:31.11 | kreig | I am using debian-install daily buil to install etch on amd64 |
| 20:31.28 | JMTeal | peters it's ^?, but even after stty erase ^? aptitude still prints out ^? |
| 20:31.29 | X3n0 | asdf |
| 20:31.30 | kreig | and itis working, except when it goes to install base system, it looks for sid, not etch |
| 20:31.31 | X3n0 | Stupid internet. |
| 20:31.35 | X3n0 | zinx: Still around? |
| 20:31.38 | Matt-H | evilbulgarian: I think I am in a machine at work |
| 20:31.41 | kreig | I need to figure out how to override that, or trick it |
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| 20:31.56 | evilbulgarian | Matt-H: how can u set the cache mode do u know ? |
| 20:32.16 | SimonRaven | !say JMTeal: are you /ignoring SimonRaven? |
| 20:32.17 | dpkg | JMTeal: are you /ignoring SimonRaven |
| 20:32.23 | Matt-H | evilbulgarian: not sure... would have to look at the machine - and it's weekend now so can't til Monday morning |
| 20:32.31 | JMTeal | dpkg i have no idea |
| 20:32.41 | JMTeal | why is that bot talking to me? |
| 20:32.50 | peterS | JMTeal: that's strange, it seems to work fine for me |
| 20:32.53 | JMTeal | and who is simonraven? |
| 20:33.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 818] by debhelper |
| 20:33.03 | JMTeal | think it's a terminal thing? |
| 20:33.04 | peterS | JMTeal: SimonRaven just told the bot to ask you that, since apparently you can't see him type |
| 20:33.11 | JMTeal | nah i can't |
| 20:33.23 | JMTeal | i have nothing on my ignore list... |
| 20:33.26 | evilbulgarian | Matt-H: yeah cause i have the cache set in bios of card to write back and its assuming in the driver write through |
| 20:33.32 | X3n0 | zinx: still around? |
| 20:33.36 | peterS | JMTeal: weird, apparently you have him on there, somehow |
| 20:33.47 | JMTeal | i JUST installed ircii... |
| 20:33.52 | JMTeal | no scripts or anyhting... |
| 20:33.53 | Larsiaa | Is it possibel to make so that a user only can see he's own proccess in ps aux? or w? |
| 20:34.01 | Matt-H | evilbulgarian: no idea... was months ago I did that machine... sorry |
| 20:34.08 | SimonRaven | 2 direct questions and he missed them |
| 20:34.15 | JMTeal | simon i see you noe |
| 20:34.16 | evilbulgarian | Matt-H: no prob thanks |
| 20:34.17 | JMTeal | now |
| 20:34.21 | JMTeal | weird |
| 20:34.25 | peterS | Larsiaa: there are kernel patches that let you do this. grsec, I believe, is one of them |
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| 20:34.43 | SimonRaven | JMTeal: ok, first one was: |
| 20:34.50 | JMTeal | cool i see you again |
| 20:34.55 | SimonRaven | 15:23 SimonRaven : JMTeal: macssh, or mock os x in Terminal+ssh? |
| 20:34.55 | JMTeal | stupid ircii |
| 20:35.06 | SimonRaven | 15:29 SimonRaven : JMTeal: do you have me on /ignore? |
| 20:35.11 | JMTeal | terminal.app |
| 20:35.14 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 20:35.15 | Larsiaa | peterS: thanks |
| 20:35.18 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 20:35.45 | peterS | JMTeal: your stty thing is very strange. you might try configuring your terminal.app to send ^H for delete, then stty erase ^H, and see what happens |
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| 20:36.01 | peterS | JMTeal: (most terminal programs have a setting for this) |
| 20:36.22 | SimonRaven | terminal.app is pointy clicky config |
| 20:36.26 | X3n0 | Anyone: After I install Wine, how do I use it? |
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| 20:36.37 | SimonRaven | anyone isn't here |
| 20:36.39 | JMTeal | lemme see what i can find in the prefs for terminal... any particular term that's best to emulate? |
| 20:36.39 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: :) |
| 20:36.46 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: you use terminal.app too? |
| 20:36.48 | tarzeau | JMTeal: you too? |
| 20:36.54 | peterS | JMTeal: anything vaguely resembling vt100 or vt220 is fine |
| 20:36.54 | tarzeau | wow so many GNUstep friends |
| 20:37.02 | JMTeal | yeah tarz |
| 20:37.06 | streuner | tarzeau: ask gravity |
| 20:37.08 | peterS | JMTeal: but not vt52, that one's evil |
| 20:37.09 | tarzeau | JMTeal: join #gnustep |
| 20:37.15 | X3n0 | SimonRaven: Well since anyone isn't here can you answer? |
| 20:37.16 | tarzeau | streuner: who's that? |
| 20:37.20 | JMTeal | am i gonna get laughed at? |
| 20:37.22 | SimonRaven | no, though i have before, i stick to uxterm usually |
| 20:37.30 | tarzeau | JMTeal: no, it's TEH gnustep place |
| 20:37.30 | X3n0 | For windows emu? |
| 20:37.31 | streuner | tarzeau: maintainer of X? |
| 20:37.36 | JMTeal | i emu vt100 |
| 20:37.41 | streuner | tarzeau: and big guia? |
| 20:37.49 | SimonRaven | X3n0: wine command. the winecfg thingy should fix you up |
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| 20:37.55 | tarzeau | streuner: where can i find him? ah it's not important, i can play nethack and run irssi in my screen |
| 20:38.39 | JMTeal | tarz not sure about multichannel with ircii... lemme figure out this stty thing and i'll be right there |
| 20:38.39 | ringo999 | can someone help me to get alsa to running? im a debain newby and after two hours of messing around im gettin exhausted...i would really appreciate it |
| 20:38.39 | streuner | tarzeau: here in #debian, he is usually here, just have some patient |
| 20:38.39 | tarzeau | streuner: it's just the sidplay2 (sidplay pkg) is annoying because of wrong speed play back |
| 20:38.39 | tarzeau | !seen gravity |
| 20:38.39 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-151-203-48-188.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 14h 54m 28s ago, saying: 'kevix: Thanks :-)'. |
| 20:38.39 | peterS | JMTeal: the irc client of choice around here is irssi. most of us like it better than ircii. just so you know |
| 20:38.39 | tarzeau | JMTeal: great :) |
| 20:38.45 | tarzeau | peterS: he should use TalkSoup.app |
| 20:38.48 | X3n0 | Does Wine bring up a gui similar to windows where I can install games? |
| 20:38.52 | tarzeau | JMTeal: you know when you like gnustep, try talksoup.app |
| 20:38.52 | JMTeal | ah... i just remembered ircii from my shell account days of old... |
| 20:39.00 | tarzeau | JMTeal: of course the version in debian sucks. the latest one is much better |
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| 20:39.13 | SimonRaven | X3n0: it'll run installer wizards and crap like that ... |
| 20:39.20 | peterS | JMTeal: nothing wrong with it, but irssi is somewhat more featureful. though I don't know the state of the art of ircii either |
| 20:39.31 | X3n0 | SimonRaven: And how would I run the game after it installs? |
| 20:39.44 | SimonRaven | see above |
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| 20:40.10 | JMTeal | i mean.. it's a deb pkg... i just remember the name from like 10 years ago (the last time i was into computers before a couple months ago.. ) it's all coming back to me though |
| 20:40.41 | peterS | JMTeal: I forget when the irssi package was renamed from 'irssi-text' to 'irssi' - if the one isn't found, install the other |
| 20:40.42 | ringo999 | anyone please? |
| 20:41.00 | JMTeal | what's `better' about it? |
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| 20:41.29 | SimonRaven | ringo999: just ask. state your problem, what you're seeing, what you're trying to do, etc. |
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| 20:41.44 | SimonRaven | and don't ask me :P |
| 20:41.47 | peterS | JMTeal: from what I remember about ircii a few years ago ... nice screen colors by default, easy multi-channel in multiple windows, multiple windows onscreen at once ... dunno what else |
| 20:42.05 | JMTeal | i mean, since i ssh to my deb box, i have a gui irc right here... just prefer a simple text-based right next to my shell login |
| 20:42.09 | SimonRaven | eh, not the one i remember |
| 20:42.14 | JMTeal | windows? that's what my mac is for... |
| 20:42.22 | peterS | JMTeal: it's got perl-based scripting, I forget what ircii uses |
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| 20:42.27 | JMTeal | i just use deb for fun / ftp file hosting /web hostin |
| 20:42.39 | tarzeau | JMTeal: no games? |
| 20:42.46 | JMTeal | nope... |
| 20:42.54 | peterS | JMTeal: tarzeau is trying to get you to try gnustep apps because they look 'n' feel somewhat like OS X |
| 20:42.55 | JMTeal | it's all command line too... no gui |
| 20:43.03 | JMTeal | oh |
| 20:43.07 | tarzeau | JMTeal: do your ftp files start with jen and end with jpg or mpg? |
| 20:43.09 | JMTeal | well i don't have a gui set up |
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| 20:43.17 | JMTeal | nah... mp3... |
| 20:43.21 | tarzeau | peterS: no not os x, but openstep |
| 20:43.24 | JMTeal | got like 35GB of music |
| 20:43.24 | tarzeau | peterS: i hate os x |
| 20:43.38 | streuner | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
| 20:43.40 | JMTeal | actually like 80, but only like 35 on my mac |
| 20:43.48 | JMTeal | i LOVE OSX |
| 20:43.54 | JMTeal | (compared to windows) |
| 20:43.55 | tarzeau | os x is so raped |
| 20:44.06 | sparr | can anyone recommend a frontend to transcode to remove some of the math and command line voodoo from the avi->dvd process? |
| 20:44.12 | peterS | ok OS wars are fun but we have a channel to run, try and keep it short (: |
| 20:44.24 | tarzeau | JMTeal: emacs? |
| 20:44.37 | streuner | sparr: div::rip? |
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| 20:44.39 | JMTeal | that's an editor no? |
| 20:44.58 | JMTeal | tarz is gonna uninvite me before i get there... |
| 20:45.11 | tarzeau | JMTeal: nah, but there's emacs.app again |
| 20:45.14 | streuner | sparr: there is a KDE app too, don't ask me for the name :-) |
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| 20:45.29 | ringo999 | SimonRaven: ok. i have installed debian (kernel 2.6.8-k7) with gnome running. right now the oss is running, which means only one sound source at a time, skype doesnt work. my goal is to switch to alsa and get skype to work also. i have installed the alsa modules / utls and run alsacfg. however, afterwards, in gstreamer properties still only lets me choose oss. im a linux newbie, so i dont know very much what im actually doing. "striver" was helping me be |
| 20:45.31 | JMTeal | i like pico... |
| 20:45.36 | JMTeal | uh.. i mean nano |
| 20:45.46 | peterS | JMTeal: heretic! There Is No Nano But Nano |
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| 20:46.06 | JMTeal | peters : can't change the erase char sent... |
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| 20:46.12 | JMTeal | just change emulations |
| 20:46.22 | peterS | JMTeal: what emulation were you on when you reported this problem? |
| 20:46.22 | X3n0 | SimonRaven: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300 |
| 20:46.25 | sparr | streuner: err, im not ripping. the kde app is kmediafactory, unfortunately incompatible with debian right now |
| 20:46.35 | X3n0 | SimonRaven: I have an ati mobility in my laptop how do I update the driver/ |
| 20:46.37 | JMTeal | vt-100.... |
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| 20:46.53 | peterS | JMTeal: ok and what is your TERM environment variable set to? (echo $TERM) |
| 20:46.54 | JMTeal | its the only one i've heard of and it's pretty standard (right?) |
| 20:46.57 | streuner | sparr: wrong, kmediafactory isn't the name... |
| 20:47.13 | JMTeal | vt100 |
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| 20:47.18 | JMTeal | you mean in deb right? |
| 20:47.19 | peterS | yes, vt100 is as standard as you can get, for something not actually designated as a standard |
| 20:47.24 | peterS | JMTeal: yes |
| 20:47.28 | JMTeal | yeah vt100 |
| 20:47.43 | ringo999 | SimonRaven: any idea? |
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| 20:48.04 | X3n0 | I think simon is AFK |
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| 20:48.39 | streuner | !info dvdrip |
| 20:48.50 | peterS | JMTeal: oddly enough, even when I stty erase ^H, aptitude still recognises both ^H and ^? as erase characters |
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| 20:49.06 | rubin_ | Boa tarde a todos ! alguem aqui fala portuguez? |
| 20:49.12 | Wopke | Hi all what does this mean: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:49.16 | Wopke | I keep getting it.. |
| 20:49.18 | JMTeal | well what's my freakin' problem? |
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| 20:49.32 | peterS | JMTeal: this could possibly be an aptitude bugfix which has happened since the sarge release. I'm running unstable. |
| 20:49.33 | JMTeal | think i ought to just get used to typing CTRL-H? |
| 20:49.34 | KerPlunk | How can I install Network Manger or wifi-radar like in Ubuntu? |
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| 20:50.02 | JMTeal | i'm scared of unstable, and i think debugging and stuff is better left to professional/experienced users |
| 20:50.11 | JMTeal | i just started using linux a couple weks ago |
| 20:50.18 | JMTeal | weks=weeks |
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| 20:50.35 | overnout | \o/ hurray |
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| 20:50.54 | X3n0 | Anyone know how to use Wine? |
| 20:50.58 | JMTeal | yeah... |
| 20:51.02 | JMTeal | ya DRINK IT |
| 20:51.05 | X3n0 | =/ |
| 20:51.12 | JMTeal | try a corkscrew... |
| 20:51.18 | JMTeal | better for your teeth that way |
| 20:51.18 | X3n0 | /usr/bin/wine :P |
| 20:51.23 | X3n0 | that wine |
| 20:51.25 | JMTeal | oh |
| 20:51.31 | JMTeal | well no then.. |
| 20:51.35 | JMTeal | be more specific |
| 20:51.45 | X3n0 | =\ we arn't in #wine |
| 20:51.47 | X3n0 | we are in 3debian |
| 20:51.51 | X3n0 | :P |
| 20:51.56 | JMTeal | hehe |
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| 20:51.57 | peterS | JMTeal: I rarely use backspace in aptitude anyway. what commands are you using it in? let's make sure we're actually testing the same thing |
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| 20:52.28 | JMTeal | in the search field and also the ... uhm... whatever you call that thing you hit l for... |
| 20:52.41 | JMTeal | filtering the library or whatever |
| 20:52.57 | peterS | *nod*. I've been using "/" (search) for testing this |
| 20:53.02 | JMTeal | k |
| 20:53.23 | kspath | Anyone heard any news about debianplanet.org yet? |
| 20:53.26 | ringo999 | when im trying to configure the alsa driver i get this message The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. |
| 20:53.27 | peterS | I don't have a debian stable box handy to test this on, let me see what I do have |
| 20:53.30 | ringo999 | Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 20:53.32 | ringo999 | or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel |
| 20:53.35 | ringo999 | sources (default is /usr/src/linux). |
| 20:53.35 | JMTeal | well i pretty much have everything set up like i want it (for now)... used it a bunch for a while... |
| 20:53.43 | ringo999 | what do i have to install so it will work? |
| 20:53.48 | JMTeal | may not use aptitude much now... |
| 20:54.09 | KerPlunk | ringo999: What does uname -r show you? |
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| 20:54.33 | ringo999 | 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 20:54.38 | X3n0 | How do you open CD install wizards with Wine? |
| 20:54.48 | halibut | What is the console command to help me make a new xorg.conf ? |
| 20:54.59 | KerPlunk | ringo999: What version of debian are you using? |
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| 20:55.15 | KerPlunk | !tell halibut about drxx |
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| 20:55.18 | JMTeal | x3n0 wedge them open with the `neck' end |
| 20:55.35 | X3n0 | JMTeal: Wrong wine :P |
| 20:56.06 | JMTeal | x3n0... sorry... alcohol on the brain.. |
| 20:56.08 | ringo999 | KerPlung 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 20:56.14 | peterS | JMTeal: ok I found a sarge environment and fired it up, and aptitude still works perfectly well with both ^H and ^?, no matter whether I stty erase ^H or stty erase ^? |
| 20:56.20 | ringo999 | KerPlunk: 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 20:56.41 | halibut | KerPlunk, what do I do if I dont know something it is asking me? |
| 20:56.43 | FlopsyPete | I want to record in on a Sound Blaster Live Drive's optical in. the volume control lists these hopeful but cryptic input names: 'IEC95B LiveDrive', 'IEC95B Optical Raw', 'IEC95B TTL' but which is it? Google only knows of 3 references to IEC95B, making these names not the most easiest to understand what they relate to |
| 20:56.44 | peterS | JMTeal: and I'm sure I didn't configure aptitude specially for this, it must be the default behavior |
| 20:56.46 | JMTeal | peters so it's likely my ssh client or terminal |
| 20:56.47 | JMTeal | ? |
| 20:56.48 | KerPlunk | ringo999: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:57.00 | KerPlunk | halibut: Use the default value.(that's what I do) |
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| 20:57.09 | peterS | JMTeal: at this point I have *no* idea. I guess it's something funky with your ssh setup, but I'm at a loss to explain *what* |
| 20:57.10 | KerPlunk | halibut: If the default value is blank, use that. |
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| 20:57.14 | halibut | ok |
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| 20:57.20 | KerPlunk | halibut: Are you having particular problems with anything? |
| 20:57.31 | X3n0 | How do you switch between the 4 desktops without clicking on them? |
| 20:57.36 | ringo999 | KerPlunk: testing/unstable |
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| 20:57.52 | starfishy | x3n0: depends on the window manager |
| 20:58.00 | starfishy | in kde its ctrl+tab |
| 20:58.04 | halibut | KerPlunk, I just couldnt get nvidia driver to work, but I think it is because I had vesa driver selected. It is asking me for bus identifier though? is that ok to leave blank? |
| 20:58.04 | JMTeal | peters well my stty -a on my mac is ^? too... oh well... i can live with it |
| 20:58.04 | peterS | JMTeal: AHA. I reproduced your problem! with the TERM=vt100 environment variable. |
| 20:58.05 | KerPlunk | !tell ringo999 about unstable |
| 20:58.14 | X3n0 | starfishy: Thanks, it is KDE. |
| 20:58.17 | JMTeal | uh huh... tell me more |
| 20:58.17 | peterS | JMTeal: now to figure out why that should break aptitude |
| 20:58.28 | JMTeal | well it's hardly broken.. |
| 20:58.29 | magyar | how do i playback in full screen in mplayer? |
| 20:58.32 | KerPlunk | halibut: leave that blank. |
| 20:58.38 | starfishy | alt+tab switches between windows, ctrl+tab between screens |
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| 20:58.43 | obscuresoul | hi |
| 20:58.43 | JMTeal | hey anyone here ever play with netbsd? |
| 20:58.45 | KerPlunk | halibut: You can't get your video card to work at all...or you want 3d acceleration? |
| 20:58.51 | FlopsyPete | if I choose to checkout Volume Control's 'Help' it does absolutely nothing |
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| 20:59.02 | KerPlunk | !tell JMTeal about netbsd |
| 20:59.06 | KerPlunk | !greet obscuresoul |
| 20:59.06 | dpkg | Hi there, obscuresoul |
| 20:59.07 | starfishy | jmteal: i did, but i dont think this is the channel for netbsd help |
| 20:59.13 | ringo999 | KerPlunk: great, but what do you suggest |
| 20:59.20 | halibut | ke |
| 20:59.24 | obscuresoul | KerPlunk, :) |
| 20:59.25 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.27 | JMTeal | ker : thx, but i knew that |
| 20:59.27 | halibut | KerPlunk, it works, I want 3d |
| 20:59.35 | JMTeal | star: thx, but i knew that |
| 20:59.35 | KerPlunk | !tell halibut about nvidia |
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| 20:59.46 | KerPlunk | !tell halibut about nvidia installer |
| 20:59.54 | halibut | KerPlunk, but I have the nvidia driver installed |
| 21:00.05 | halibut | I think the wrong one was enabled in xorg.conf |
| 21:00.10 | KerPlunk | halibut: Did you use the one from nvidia.com? |
| 21:00.13 | JMTeal | peters should i try a different emu? |
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| 21:00.32 | peterS | JMTeal: let me play with this a moment. but what emulations are available? |
| 21:00.33 | X3n0 | How do you run a .sh file? |
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| 21:00.50 | KerPlunk | halibut: You have to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the link 'Driver "vesa"' to 'Driver "nvidia"' or whatever the module is that nvidia builds. |
| 21:01.04 | halibut | Use kernel framebuffer device interface? yes or no with an expensive graphics card KerPlunk ? |
| 21:01.14 | Aid` | hey, how do i build the tiglusb module for 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:01.23 | KerPlunk | X3n0: If the file is executable(chmod +x file.sh) then you just /path/to/file.sh, or if file.sh is in your current directory, ./file.sh |
| 21:01.34 | KerPlunk | X3n0: You could also sh /path/to/file.sh |
| 21:01.46 | JMTeal | ansi, dtterm, vt 52, 100, 102, xterm, xtermcolor |
| 21:01.56 | JMTeal | peters ---^ |
| 21:02.22 | Aid` | hey, how do i build the tiglusb module for 2.6 kernel? the only info in the readme is: |
| 21:02.22 | Aid` | For a 2.6 kernel, only the tiser module can be built. The other two modules are |
| 21:02.22 | Aid` | available in the vanilla kernel (tipar and tiusb). |
| 21:02.22 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: Doing ./file.sh says permission denied even in root |
| 21:02.35 | KerPlunk | X3n0: like I said, chmod +x file.sh |
| 21:02.36 | bobbens | X3n0: chmod +x file.sh |
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| 21:02.50 | peterS | JMTeal: ansi and vt52 you don't want. dtterm is pretty weird but not in a bad way. the rest are closely related, I'd go with xterm or xtermcolor |
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| 21:03.18 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: chmod +x file.sh does nothing. |
| 21:03.22 | JMTeal | peters what exactly does this change? |
| 21:03.28 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: It just goes down to another line |
| 21:03.53 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: Ahh chmod allows me to use it... I see... Yay! |
| 21:03.59 | X3n0 | Kerplunk & bobbens: Thanks :D |
| 21:04.04 | peterS | JMTeal: vt102 is vt100 with a few extra commands in it. xterm has vt102 with more stuff. xtermcolor probably just means xterm but with color support (vt100/vt102 do not have color) |
| 21:04.22 | JMTeal | peters and i need to change it well i have color... |
| 21:04.26 | peterS | JMTeal: xtermcolor should set the variable "TERM=xterm-color" on debian, or just "TERM=xterm" works too |
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| 21:04.46 | peterS | JMTeal: if the terminal program works with color even if you just use 'xterm', then use 'xterm'. that's more foolproof |
| 21:04.47 | JMTeal | peters so the emu on my mac will change the deb settings? |
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| 21:05.06 | magyar | when i sellect "full screen" in mplayer it makes a blue screen full but the movie is still in a tiny window |
| 21:05.07 | peterS | JMTeal: there are two sides: what the mac program *does*, and what debian *thinks* it can do. |
| 21:05.15 | JMTeal | peters think it will change on the fly, or should i log out and come back? |
| 21:05.25 | peterS | JMTeal: the first is your emu setting, the second is the TERM variable inside debian. TERM should be set correctly when you log in, but this doesn't always work |
| 21:05.41 | peterS | JMTeal: you can change it on the fly but you'll have to set the TERM variable yourself in that case. just type TERM=xterm |
| 21:05.52 | peterS | JMTeal: this is because that variable is normally set as part of the login process |
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| 21:06.18 | JMTeal | but... i need to reset the TERM var in my mac term too right? |
| 21:06.22 | Jadewolf | Does the minimal install of Debian use a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel now? I'm looking for a small linux to install on my laptop with 64mb of ram and 3gig of hdd space |
| 21:06.28 | halibut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.35 | X3n0 | So if chmod = change Mod what is +x ? |
| 21:06.40 | peterS | JMTeal: the variable propagates into your debian login. aptitude will only see the one in your debian shell, so just set it there so you can test |
| 21:06.46 | asg | X3n0: enable the 'execute' bit |
| 21:06.46 | felipe_ | Jadewolf 2.4 default |
| 21:07.06 | X3n0 | asg: Thank you. |
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| 21:07.15 | X3n0 | asg: What is a .rpm file? I assume its not for cars... |
| 21:07.25 | peterS | X3n0: stands for the RPM Package Manager |
| 21:07.26 | asg | X3n0: no, that's a Redhat Package |
| 21:07.27 | Jadewolf | felipe_:WOuld you recommend Debian or should I look at something else for my laptop? |
| 21:07.29 | slash314 | hi |
| 21:07.37 | KerPlunk | !greet slash314 |
| 21:07.37 | dpkg | Welcome, slash314 |
| 21:07.39 | JMTeal | but terminal.app logs into a mac shell, then i ssh to my deb box... |
| 21:07.40 | X3n0 | Peter,ASG: Can I use a RPM file in Debian? |
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| 21:07.45 | JMTeal | lemme just start from scratch... |
| 21:07.47 | KerPlunk | !tell X3n0 about alien |
| 21:07.47 | cafe_roy | JMTeal: try window |
| 21:07.56 | cafe_roy | s |
| 21:08.00 | slash314 | i am using debian on my laptop |
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| 21:08.07 | asg | X3n0: you can convert an RPM to a deb with 'alien' but it isn't recommended |
| 21:08.12 | KerPlunk | X3n0: What are you trying to install? |
| 21:08.17 | peterS | JMTeal: the variable in your mac shell will probably propagate into your debian shell when you log in. it doesn't change after that, though, so for testing you can just set the TERM variable from within debian. |
| 21:08.24 | slash314 | i do not know how to config my touchbad |
| 21:08.26 | Jadewolf | slash314:What stats on your laptop though? mines pretty old |
| 21:08.33 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: ATI Drivers on my ATI Radeon 8500 (Mobility laptop) |
| 21:08.33 | slash314 | i do not know how to config my touchpad |
| 21:08.51 | slash314 | hp dv4204 |
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| 21:09.12 | JMTeal | peters ok |
| 21:09.31 | KerPlunk | X3n0: Don't install fglrx with that card, stock xorg can handle it. |
| 21:09.33 | slash314 | i did not use the synaptics driver |
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| 21:09.35 | slash314 | hehe |
| 21:09.36 | obscuresoul | what's bonobo? |
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| 21:09.42 | KerPlunk | X3n0: You don't need to install fglrx on anything below 9150 |
| 21:09.47 | sokminer | hi all |
| 21:10.01 | KerPlunk | !tell obscuresoul about bonobo |
| 21:10.04 | KerPlunk | !greet sokminer |
| 21:10.04 | dpkg | Howdy, sokminer |
| 21:10.05 | JMTeal | peters ok i see the color now... vt100 had colored text (ls and prompt) but in aptitude was b&W |
| 21:10.06 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: I still need a RPM to DEB packager |
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| 21:10.16 | KerPlunk | X3n0: Why? |
| 21:10.17 | X3n0 | asg: Why is using alien not recommended? |
| 21:10.18 | sokminer | hi KerPlunk and dpkg |
| 21:10.19 | JMTeal | peters and the BS works |
| 21:10.22 | JMTeal | cool man... |
| 21:10.23 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: ATI only offers RPM files. |
| 21:10.24 | peterS | obscuresoul: a species of primate. also, a remote object framework that GNOME used to use |
| 21:10.34 | slash314 | but it recognizes my touchpad |
| 21:10.35 | asg | X3n0: because, while it tries to do the Right Thing (tm), it doesn't always and can bugger up your system. |
| 21:10.36 | KerPlunk | X3n0: You just change the line in /etc/xorg.conf from Driver "vesa" to Driver "ati" |
| 21:10.42 | slash314 | and i can use it |
| 21:10.46 | JMTeal | now i got another prob in apt... |
| 21:10.49 | KerPlunk | X3n0: You don't need any files from ati, I recommend against this. |
| 21:10.52 | JMTeal | really with my mac though... |
| 21:10.53 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: I want 3D Acceleration |
| 21:10.56 | peterS | JMTeal: great, there's your solution then. use the xterm setting for terminal.app and see whether it propagates on its own when you run a terminal and when you ssh |
| 21:10.57 | sokminer | can someone help w/ an e2fsprog prob ? |
| 21:10.59 | KerPlunk | X3n0: xorg gives you this. |
| 21:11.06 | slash314 | but i do not know how to config it |
| 21:11.13 | magyar | when i sellect "full screen" in mplayer it makes a blue screen full but the movie is still in a tiny window |
| 21:11.13 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: Xorg file that ATI is hosting is .RPM |
| 21:11.20 | JMTeal | yeah it does.... $TERM=xterm in terminal and in deb |
| 21:11.25 | OleMoudi | what ftp client do you guys recommend besides gftp? |
| 21:11.34 | JMTeal | command line ftp |
| 21:11.34 | KerPlunk | X3n0: What version of debian are you using? |
| 21:11.35 | zptao | gftp |
| 21:11.38 | zptao | gftp |
| 21:11.39 | peterS | JMTeal: good, what's your other problem now? I *probably* can't help as I don't have a mac |
| 21:11.45 | zptao | xftp is ok too |
| 21:11.46 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: 3.1 Sarge |
| 21:11.50 | asg | OleMoudi: ftp is crap, we don't recommend it at all. Use ssh/scp instead |
| 21:11.52 | KerPlunk | X3n0: Are you using xfree86 or xorg? |
| 21:11.52 | peterS | OleMoudi: I'm fond of ncftp |
| 21:12.10 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: I don't know, how do I find out? |
| 21:12.23 | zptao | lftp? |
| 21:12.25 | JMTeal | F10 for the menu doesn't work because F10 is like... a system key... or something... OSX picks it up for `expose'... |
| 21:12.41 | KerPlunk | X3n0: ls -al /etc/X11/X |
| 21:13.03 | peterS | X3n0: 'X -version' |
| 21:13.04 | JMTeal | i tried key combos (CTRL-F10, Shift-F10, etc) |
| 21:13.09 | JMTeal | no luck |
| 21:13.16 | X3n0 | XFree86 |
| 21:13.28 | JMTeal | except i found out that SHIFT-F10 does expose in SLOMO |
| 21:13.31 | X3n0 | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 20050901212727 fjp@localhost.localdomain) |
| 21:13.49 | KerPlunk | X3n0: If you upgrade to xorg you will have 3d acceleration, it's that simple, when it asks you for the driver just say "ati" and you're done. |
| 21:14.02 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: How do I upgrade ot xorg? |
| 21:14.07 | KerPlunk | X3n0: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 21:14.11 | KerPlunk | X3n0: check /topic |
| 21:14.12 | peterS | JMTeal: ctrl-t is also menu in my version of aptitude |
| 21:14.18 | KerPlunk | !tell X3n0 about msgdpkg |
| 21:14.28 | JMTeal | nah... |
| 21:14.52 | sokminer | OK so I'll back up can anyone help w/ a Sarge prob ...specifically a Conflicts/Pre-Depends aopp |
| 21:15.02 | sokminer | OK so I'll back up can anyone help w/ a Sarge prob ...specifically a Conflicts/Pre-Depends lopp |
| 21:15.04 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: What is the difference form Xorg and XFree86? |
| 21:15.05 | KerPlunk | !tell sokminer about ask |
| 21:15.07 | KerPlunk | !tell sokminer about repeat |
| 21:15.37 | peterS | KerPlunk: go easy on the bot, I think you've used up your quota of ten !tell in ten minutes |
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| 21:15.42 | sokminer | !factoids |
| 21:15.42 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry! |
| 21:15.48 | JMTeal | peters good call |
| 21:15.59 | JMTeal | !tell KerPlunk to chill |
| 21:16.26 | KerPlunk | X3n0: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80156.html check the bottom |
| 21:16.50 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: Can you assist me in helping me change my resolution? When I change it from anything asides 800x600 the streen 'overlaps' badly. |
| 21:16.55 | asg | sokminer: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:16.57 | JMTeal | hey peters the irc client you werre bragging on... gui right? |
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| 21:17.11 | sokminer | asg thx |
| 21:17.20 | peterS | JMTeal: irssi is text-only, like ircii, bitchx, and epic |
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| 21:17.47 | JMTeal | rock out with your cock out... any good scripts/bots available? |
| 21:17.50 | blondie | peterS: but far superior |
| 21:18.01 | blondie | there's a big scripts page on irssi.org |
| 21:18.04 | peterS | JMTeal: there's a debian package 'irssi-scripts' with a few dozen bits |
| 21:18.05 | JMTeal | so i should can ircii |
| 21:18.08 | asg | JMTeal: apt-get install irssi-scripts |
| 21:18.14 | peterS | JMTeal: going through them all to see which ones are useful to you does take awhile |
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| 21:18.25 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: I think going from XFree86 to Xorg is a bit extensive on a noob. I just want to install the xfree86 package from ATI and get 3D Accelleration and play Guild wars... :/ |
| 21:18.30 | JMTeal | asg not comfortable with apt-get yet... like aptitude... |
| 21:18.33 | JMTeal | thx though |
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| 21:18.43 | asg | JMTeal: same thing will work. aptitude install irssi-scripts |
| 21:18.57 | peterS | JMTeal: they install to /usr/share/irssi/scripts/, you can copy them to ~/.irssi/scripts/ or ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ if you want them to run at startup |
| 21:19.02 | JMTeal | aptitude takes cmd like params too? |
| 21:19.07 | ping | hi |
| 21:19.13 | peterS | JMTeal: yeah, it's like a better apt-get in command line mode |
| 21:19.14 | asg | JMTeal: sure |
| 21:19.15 | ping | pls help me |
| 21:19.19 | ping | PING index.hu (217.20.131.2) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 21:19.19 | ping | 64 bytes from ldir-loopback.index.hu (217.20.131.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=0.633 ms |
| 21:19.19 | ping | 64 bytes from ldir-loopback.index.hu (217.20.131.2): icmp_seq=2 ttl=62 time=0.541 ms |
| 21:19.19 | ping | 64 bytes from ldir-loopback.index.hu (217.20.131.2): icmp_seq=3 ttl=62 time=0.524 ms |
| 21:19.20 | ping | 64 bytes from ldir-loopback.index.hu (217.20.131.2): icmp_seq=4 ttl=62 time=0.483 ms |
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| 21:19.32 | Aid` | what kernel version does everyone here use? |
| 21:19.33 | peterS | ping flood, how cute |
| 21:19.43 | asg | ping: so you're pinging. yey! Welcome to the intraweb. |
| 21:19.50 | JMTeal | brb |
| 21:19.52 | gnufan | BTS - I have a couple of open bugs (as submitter) under an old email address - both are fixed in sid but I'm not sure when the fix happened. Do I just email xxxx-done@, and what is the right thing to put.... |
| 21:20.28 | X3n0 | asg: Do you know how to use Wine? |
| 21:20.48 | magyar | when i sellect "full screen" in mplayer it makes a blue screen full but the movie is still in a tiny window |
| 21:21.13 | asg | X3n0: The drink, yes. The Windows emulator, no ... I've never had a need. |
| 21:21.22 | X3n0 | asg: Thanks. |
| 21:21.26 | valdyn | magyar: try 'mplayer -vo xv somemovie.avi' |
| 21:21.30 | X3n0 | Anyone know how to use Wine the windows emu? |
| 21:21.38 | peterS | Wine Is Not an Emulator (: |
| 21:21.44 | asg | X3n0: #winehq is the standard irc channel for the software |
| 21:22.03 | gnufan | magyar: probably why I use Totem - mplayer is just a tad close to the metal for my liking as a movie player --- sure if I wanted to do something clever with video it is great. |
| 21:22.42 | valdyn | gnufan: he seems to be using gmplayer though |
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| 21:23.21 | X3n0 | peterS: I disagree, I believe if you have enough wine you can emulate anything. |
| 21:23.34 | peterS | oh, possibly |
| 21:23.43 | gnufan | valdyn: I blindly try to ignore how my multimedia apps work underneath... this strategy seems to work, I can play everything people have thrown at me except recent flash, and recent wmv.... |
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| 21:24.39 | magyar | valdyn, Sorry, Xv not supported by this X11 version/driver |
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| 21:24.47 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 21:25.02 | magyar | valdyn, sdl is working in "full screen" but its a zoom |
| 21:25.29 | valdyn | magyar: sure its a zoom, unless the movie has the same resolution as your screen |
| 21:25.32 | sokminer | thx all.... |
| 21:25.32 | gnufan | valdyn: I made an exception for camorama -- and rewrote the broken filters - but maintainer/upstream seem to have disappeared on that bug fix.... perhaps they don't trust my maths, but it is better than theirs ;-) |
| 21:25.35 | sokminer | l8r |
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| 21:25.46 | rpt | grrr, why in earth does apt-get require a kernel-image i DO NOT even use (or have)? :( |
| 21:26.09 | magyar | valdyn, the movie is fine, it plays back perfect in M$ |
| 21:26.39 | Eulex | rpt, you may have a 2.6 meta-package that automatically installs the latest kernel. |
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| 21:26.42 | asg | rpt: erm, unless you are using Debian/kfreebsd or Debian/Hurd, you need a Linux Kernel image. |
| 21:26.48 | valdyn | magyar: i didnt say that the movie was not ok, i said that the movie has to be scaled ( or zoom as you say ), to be fullscreen |
| 21:27.00 | Eulex | magyar, what video driver? |
| 21:27.17 | rpt | asg: well i have one, but everytime I run apt-get it complains about an old one i used to use (that i removed later), i guess i missed some deps or something? |
| 21:27.19 | magyar | Eulex, xorg "radeon" |
| 21:27.19 | sorcre | Hello, my friend is trying to install Debian on his pc but gets "Kernel Panic: Try to pass to init" whenever he tries to boot the install cd |
| 21:27.35 | magyar | valdyn, that went over my head |
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| 21:27.44 | asg | rpt: try 'dpkg -l | grep ^rc' (does the package show up?) |
| 21:27.48 | rpt | Eulex: where can I disable this annoying error, as i cant see why it would need an old kernel image |
| 21:27.54 | valdyn | magyar: just use totem or xine |
| 21:28.12 | gnufan | rpt: hehe one of our users discovered dpkg had an audit option as well -- never needed it myself but worth a try. |
| 21:28.14 | Eulex | magyar, then xv should work |
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| 21:28.36 | tziku | hello my apache2 dosn't work and in error.log file i have this: "File does not exist: /htdocs" |
| 21:28.40 | magyar | Eulex, no luck i get "Sorry, Xv not supported by this X11 version/driver" |
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| 21:28.56 | Eulex | magyar, what does xvinfo say? |
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| 21:29.00 | rpt | asg: well um no that specific package its yelling for doesnt show up |
| 21:29.24 | gnufan | sorcre: has anyone installed from the CD before? Have you tried a liveCD from one of those other distros (Knoppix, Ubuntu etc) to see if the hardware support is good? |
| 21:29.26 | dr1v3r | guys to update packages (security updates) does apt-get update do that or does it havet o be done seperatly? |
| 21:29.30 | JMTeal | peters ok so lemme in on some key features of irssi... then i'm gonna go play with setup and scripts for a while... |
| 21:29.44 | valdyn | dr1v3r: apt-get update does that |
| 21:29.49 | magyar | Eulex, Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 21:29.49 | magyar | xvinfo: No X-Video Extension on :0.0 |
| 21:30.02 | dr1v3r | so it does any package security updates? |
| 21:30.07 | Eulex | magyar, check your x log |
| 21:30.12 | peterS | JMTeal: one key feature, keybindings: alt-1 alt-2 alt-3 ... alt-0 for switching to the first ten windows |
| 21:30.17 | rpt | gnufan: dpkg audit detects a faulty package; kernel-image-2.6.1520060110 Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.15200601 |
| 21:30.19 | sorcre | gnufan: He has the netinstall. As soon as he tries to boot from the cd, he gets that error |
| 21:30.24 | magyar | Eulex, # Load "bitmap" |
| 21:30.24 | magyar | # Load "dbe" |
| 21:30.24 | magyar | # Load "ddc" |
| 21:30.24 | magyar | # Load "dri" |
| 21:30.24 | magyar | # Load "evdev" |
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| 21:30.29 | gnufan | dr1v3r: although you do need the right lines in /etc/apt/sources.list --- look for security iirc |
| 21:30.29 | rpt | gnufan: it is a custom kernel build by me, that i no longer use |
| 21:30.43 | JMTeal | damned mac key setup makes that useless (i think) |
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| 21:31.00 | magyar | oops |
| 21:31.01 | DeadlyNinja | im trying to append the option dsp_map=0,2 to snd-pcm-oss. i added an options line in /etc/modutils/alsa-base and ran update-modules. but i *think* its not being set. how can tell what options are set on a particular kernel module? |
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| 21:31.14 | Eulex | sorcre, has he tried both kernels? is he using sata? |
| 21:31.55 | gnufan | sorcre: I meant had anyone used this specific CD -- i.e. can we rule out a CD image fault. |
| 21:31.56 | dr1v3r | i dont see anything with iirc in it |
| 21:31.59 | sorcre | Eulex: he is using ATA100. He is a completely linux beginner though. |
| 21:32.15 | sorcre | gnufan: He got the exact same error while trying Damn Small Linux |
| 21:32.16 | gnufan | dr1v3r: iirc if I recall correctly |
| 21:32.50 | rpt | gnufan, Eulex, asg; well apparently this was fixed by dpkg -r kernel-image-2.6.1520060110 - thx for the dpkg audit "tip" i guess im ok now :o) |
| 21:32.57 | gnufan | sorcre: I'd go with Eulex -- expert26 if you've tried "linux" at the boot |
| 21:32.57 | JMTeal | crap |
| 21:33.04 | Eulex | magyar, you should paste in here, use paster. but that what you have above probably is the source of the problem. uncomment those lines. |
| 21:33.04 | dr1v3r | yea i dont see that in any of the urls |
| 21:33.37 | Eulex | *shouldn't |
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| 21:33.56 | sorcre | gnufan: I will tell him to try it. His pc is pretty old |
| 21:34.03 | magyar | Eulex, roger |
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| 21:34.29 | Eulex | magyar, btw, any special reason you commented these? you may have to leave Load dri commented, if the radeon driver can't do 3d accel on your card. |
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| 21:34.52 | ping | hi i have a big big problem:) |
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| 21:35.12 | ping | hax:/home/hekii# ping index.hu |
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| 21:35.17 | marty | hello folks |
| 21:35.18 | ping | PING index.hu (217.20.131.2) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 21:35.23 | ping | 64 bytes from ldir-loopback.index.hu (217.20.131.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=0.579 ms |
| 21:35.28 | ping | Warning: time of day goes back (-43435us), taking countermeasures. |
| 21:35.35 | gnufan | dr1v3r: you are looking for the word "security" not any weird abbreviations. |
| 21:35.41 | asg | ping: erm, what time of day? |
| 21:35.42 | marty | what is the difference between xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg? |
| 21:35.49 | ping | i dont kno |
| 21:35.51 | rpt | another question; has anyone any experience on 'cryptsetup' - is it possible to decrypt an encrypted drive? |
| 21:35.53 | DeadlyNinja | is there a way to list what options a kernel module has been loaded with? |
| 21:35.53 | valdyn | Eulex: nono, though dri is required for glx its not its only purpose |
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| 21:36.01 | asg | ping: where are you getting (-43435us)? |
| 21:36.18 | asg | marty: xorg is the fork of xfree86 due to licensing reasons. |
| 21:36.27 | ping | every 4-5s i get this message |
| 21:36.48 | marty | asg: which ought i to use? i |
| 21:37.02 | marty | i'm updating from sarge to sid |
| 21:37.05 | gnufan | ping: why are you worried -- probably one or the others clock is 45 seconds out -- this worries you how? |
| 21:37.15 | zebalin7 | Any of you ever get 'wild mouse' where once in a while you move he mouse and it goes crazy all over the screen for two or three seconds? |
| 21:37.17 | marty | and it's making me decide |
| 21:37.19 | valdyn | Eulex: ops, correct though dri is required for h/w accelerated glx its not its only purpose |
| 21:37.21 | asg | marty: use xorg |
| 21:37.28 | Eulex | valdyn, well, I've had some strange failings when trying to start X on this laptop, which has a card that that driver can't do 3d accel on. |
| 21:37.30 | asg | marty: unless you have an old S3 chipset |
| 21:37.44 | ping | no |
| 21:37.46 | jjazz | zebalin7: Touchpad? |
| 21:37.47 | asg | ping: try using 'ntpdate' to set your system clock |
| 21:37.48 | valdyn | Eulex: i see, that would be a bug then |
| 21:37.54 | ping | u use |
| 21:37.57 | ping | but no change |
| 21:38.07 | zebalin7 | jjazz: nope, plain old usb mouse. nothing fancy. |
| 21:38.16 | ping | and i have 2-3% packet loss |
| 21:38.17 | marty | asg: thanks |
| 21:38.41 | Eulex | valdyn, hmm, ok. |
| 21:38.44 | jjazz | zebalin7: never had that happen to me, then. |
| 21:39.06 | zebalin7 | I thought it might be a power-management thing in KDE but don't know. Not a big deal. does not happen often. |
| 21:39.08 | theD3viL | Where are TrueType fonts if i install it with apt? Which direcotry ? |
| 21:39.24 | asg | theD3viL: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 21:39.39 | asg | theD3viL: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 21:39.43 | valdyn | theD3viL: you should probably install or reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf if you dont know that |
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| 21:39.59 | theD3viL | valdyn, hm? Why ? |
| 21:40.01 | Eulex | zebalin7, I do occasionally get that 'effect' for my cheap dell laser mouse both in windows and linux. |
| 21:40.07 | theD3viL | asg, tnx |
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| 21:41.07 | Mega-Morm | hi |
| 21:41.09 | gnufan | zebalin7: My mice only ever get sun stroke - and not that often over here... Where sunlight dazzles the sensors, and they only go up and down, or side to side, because one sensor is saturated.... |
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| 21:41.12 | stagger | couse I've got the power.... |
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| 21:43.02 | zebalin7 | Eulex: I have a cheap Microsoft optical mosue that came with machine. I've never run Win on this box so I don't know if it happens with that. I think it is an xorg thing. Don't remember it happening with XF86free. |
| 21:43.17 | djp | i've just deleted my .gnome2 folder! do i need to reinstall? |
| 21:43.38 | Eulex | zebalin7, hmm, ok |
| 21:43.40 | Eulex | djp, no |
| 21:43.51 | asg | djp: no |
| 21:44.14 | djp | Eulex, asg... phew, thansk... was it important? |
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| 21:44.20 | zebalin7 | djp: I think if you restart X a new one will be created. (I run kde so I'm not sure.) |
| 21:44.25 | asg | djp: that depends but it doesn't require a reinstall |
| 21:44.37 | Eulex | djp, however, you will have to re-customize gnome and maybe even restart gnome to make it recreate its 'registry' |
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| 21:48.16 | ftugrul | hello, i'm trying to get nptl available for my debian system. i'm new to debian and don't know how to check if it (nptl) works, or how to set it up. where can i find information about this please? i've searched google, nothing useful. |
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| 21:48.47 | X3n0 | Hey where is the APT program located? |
| 21:48.48 | asg | ftugrul: install libc6-686 |
| 21:48.57 | Eulex | X3n0, /usr/bin/ |
| 21:49.11 | asg | ftugrul: install libc6-i686 (rather) |
| 21:49.22 | ftugrul | asg: is it enough, please? |
| 21:49.28 | asg | ftugrul: it should be for NTPL |
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| 21:49.38 | Mega-Mormon | Someone know what package I have to install for watch chinese characters? |
| 21:50.07 | felipe_ | Mega-Mormon ttf-kochi-mincho |
| 21:50.14 | Eulex | X3n0, they are apt-cache, apt-get etc |
| 21:50.22 | felipe_ | Mega-Mormon ttf-sazanami-mincho |
| 21:50.22 | Eulex | Mega-Mormon, apt-cache search ttf chinese |
| 21:50.28 | ftugrul | asg: i've installed it already, but when i dun /lib/libc.so.6, it says "linuxthreads", not NPTL |
| 21:50.39 | Mega-Mormon | ok, i going to see |
| 21:50.47 | X3n0 | Eulex: Which executable? |
| 21:50.55 | ftugrul | *run |
| 21:50.59 | Eulex | felipe_, no, those are japanese |
| 21:51.10 | Adi_1 | Hi. What I have to do here ? |
| 21:51.11 | Adi_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.11 | Adi_1 | Adjusting /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets |
| 21:51.11 | Adi_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.11 | Adi_1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:51.14 | Eulex | X3n0, to do what? |
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| 21:51.22 | Adi_1 | ? |
| 21:51.24 | X3n0 | To run ATP to get a package from a website |
| 21:51.33 | X3n0 | http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 21:51.39 | Eulex | X3n0, apt-get install whatever |
| 21:51.47 | felipe_ | sorry, im from colombia i have no idea about japanese fonts |
| 21:51.50 | X3n0 | Eulex: In terminal? |
| 21:51.53 | SimonRaven | !tell Adi_1 -about paster |
| 21:52.03 | BobDole | !tell Adi_1 about enter |
| 21:52.12 | asg | ftugrul: according to 'apt-cache show libc6-i686' it includes NPTL support. |
| 21:52.16 | Eulex | X3n0, yes. scroll down to "Installing from the WineHQ APT Repository with the console:". |
| 21:52.42 | Adi_1 | ok |
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| 21:53.03 | ftugrul | asg: ok. thank you. i've installed it, so will i need to activate it somehow? |
| 21:53.10 | BobDole | How can I get Network Manager and wifi-radar on my debian/etch system like Ubuntu users have? |
| 21:53.28 | asg | ftugrul: no, afaik, it should just work. |
| 21:53.41 | Eulex | !nptl |
| 21:53.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nptl is Native Posix Threading Library http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.60-0/ |
| 21:53.43 | asg | ftugrul: check /usr/share/doc/libc6-i686 to be sure there isn't anything extra though |
| 21:53.56 | ftugrul | ok, thanks |
| 21:54.11 | Eulex | ftugrul, umh, posix threads will always work. |
| 21:54.21 | X3n0 | Eulex: Thank you!!!! |
| 21:54.36 | Eulex | ftugrul, you don't need to get libc6-i686 |
| 21:54.42 | Eulex | X3n0, yw :) |
| 21:54.47 | X3n0 | Eulex: problem... |
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| 21:54.51 | BobDole | asg do you know? |
| 21:54.51 | X3n0 | Eulex: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:54.51 | X3n0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.55 | Eulex | X3n0, the normal libc6 includes it. |
| 21:55.11 | Eulex | X3n0, apt-get install libxxf86dga1? |
| 21:55.13 | X3n0 | Eulex: Eh do i do apt-get libc6? |
| 21:55.14 | X3n0 | ah |
| 21:55.45 | Eulex | X3n0, ah, sorry, was intended for ftugrul... |
| 21:55.46 | asg | BobDole: sorry, I don't. I've only ever used iwconfig (wireless-tools) to configure wireless on my Debian boxen. |
| 21:55.55 | X3n0 | Eulex: It says it cannot install |
| 21:56.08 | X3n0 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 21:56.08 | X3n0 | is only available from another source |
| 21:56.09 | X3n0 | E: Package libxxf86dga1 has no installation candidate |
| 21:56.14 | ftugrul | Eulex: so, i don't have to do anything for enabling NPTL? |
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| 21:56.37 | Eulex | ftugrul, no |
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| 21:57.02 | Eulex | X3n0, that package is not in stable. those packages were built for testing or unstable. |
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| 21:57.07 | beered | how do I setup xscreensaver in debian? I have it installed but it doesn't kick in after 4 min of innactivity. |
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| 21:57.19 | ftugrul | thanks a lot |
| 21:57.23 | X3n0 | Eulex: ah ok |
| 21:57.26 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | okay boys, Ryan is here |
| 21:57.28 | bobbens | beered: its a daemon you have to start it |
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| 21:57.41 | asg | FghtinIrshNvrDie: do we have a compelling reason to care? |
| 21:57.49 | just1primate | question: I have 2 debian machines. One desktop, one laptop. Desktop conects direct to internet. second nic in desktop has static IP. Both machines can ping each other. IPMASQ is installed. Laptop cant connect to internet. Any ideas? |
| 21:57.56 | beered | bobbens: I don't know how to start the deamon. Do I make a ln -s for it in rc.2d? |
| 21:57.57 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | yes, sorcre is here and tryin to help me out... |
| 21:58.02 | SimonRaven | asg++ |
| 21:58.17 | sorcre | gnufan: gnu, mind helping me for a sec? |
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| 21:58.23 | bobbens | beered: nah just xscreensaver should do it, add it to your xsession if you want it (xscreensaver & exec <wm>) |
| 21:58.24 | Eulex | just1primate, can you ping google's ip from the laptop? |
| 21:58.26 | asg | SimonRaven: if he turns out to work for Extreme Networks, I'll hunt him down and kill him on the spot. |
| 21:58.34 | just1primate | Eulex: no |
| 21:58.46 | beered | bobbens: aaaahhh... let me try that. thanks! |
| 21:58.47 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | wtf is going on? Are we talking about me? |
| 21:58.50 | Edwin | justlprimate: do you have ip forwrding enabled? |
| 21:59.02 | bobbens | beered: iirc theres an option for no splash like -no-splash, but not sure, i just use dpms |
| 21:59.02 | SimonRaven | asg: have a bazooka just in case |
| 21:59.04 | gnufan | sorcre: sorry I was off reading stuff - did you post a question? |
| 21:59.08 | X3n0 | Eulex: How do I compile a program? |
| 21:59.18 | just1primate | Edwin...yes |
| 21:59.22 | asg | SimonRaven: or a few million to buy Cisco or Nortel kit instead. |
| 21:59.25 | asg | SimonRaven: :) |
| 21:59.25 | Eulex | X3n0, why do you need to? |
| 21:59.34 | X3n0 | Eulex: to make Wine work for me :D |
| 21:59.39 | just1primate | in sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forwarding=1 |
| 21:59.41 | beered | bobbens: yep, I have splash: false and I have xscreensaver & in my .xsession file but... it doesn't start when I'm idle. |
| 21:59.42 | Eulex | X3n0, wine is in debian. |
| 21:59.53 | SimonRaven | asg: heheh :D |
| 22:00.00 | sorcre | gnufan: When my friend(FghtinIrshNvrDie) tries to boot from the debian netinstall cd, he gets a kernel panic error |
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| 22:00.06 | BobDole | How can I set it up so I just have to ssh bookmark(from my latop), like ssh home, and it will ssh and put the login/pass. Instead of me having to know the ip/username/password? Anyone have a guide/link or know what I should /msg dpkg? |
| 22:00.06 | X3n0 | Eulex: That version is very old |
| 22:00.14 | bobbens | beered: check the settings, I'm not using xscreensaver but I have in the long past, just trying to explain how it worked from memory |
| 22:00.22 | just1primate | Edwin: any other thoughts? |
| 22:00.26 | BobDole | !tell X3n0 about compile |
| 22:00.32 | elliotf | How would I go about mapping a key to act as the third mouse button on an X86 laptop? |
| 22:00.33 | Matt-H | BobDole: you'd use keys for the authentication |
| 22:00.33 | beered | bobbens: ok. thanks. i'll look in to it. what do you use now? |
| 22:00.35 | just1primate | Edwin: set up nat and iptables |
| 22:00.37 | Edwin | justlprimate: which kernel version? |
| 22:00.39 | just1primate | all should be good |
| 22:00.43 | gnufan | sorcre: did you try the other kernel (expert26 ay the boot prompt?). |
| 22:00.44 | just1primate | 2.6.12 |
| 22:00.48 | X3n0 | thx bob |
| 22:00.50 | sorcre | gnufan: Yeap |
| 22:00.56 | SimonRaven | it's called an initrd, or lack of one when the kernel expects one |
| 22:00.56 | Edwin | justlprimate: okay. where did you get your ruleset from? |
| 22:01.06 | gnufan | sorcre: what sort of computer is it? |
| 22:01.11 | elliotf | I have googled, but all I can find is information about mouse button emulation on powerpc.. |
| 22:01.13 | BobDole | Matt-H: What is "keys" you mean like hot keys or a key combination? |
| 22:01.16 | just1primate | Edwin: I think iptable is default rules |
| 22:01.17 | bobbens | beered: just dpms, itll blank the screen and turn the monitor off |
| 22:01.28 | beered | bobbens: nice. |
| 22:01.29 | Matt-H | BobDole: public/private key pairs to authenticate |
| 22:01.45 | BobDole | Matt-H: I know..but is there a guide anywhere? |
| 22:01.46 | Edwin | justlprimate: would the default not be "no routing"? |
| 22:01.50 | Matt-H | !tell BobDole about ssh keys |
| 22:01.52 | BobDole | I tried googling but I couldn't find anything. |
| 22:01.55 | BobDole | thanks |
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| 22:01.56 | just1primate | Edwin....Hmmm |
| 22:01.56 | Edwin | justlprimate: (honestly not sure here.) |
| 22:01.57 | beered | bobbens: I'm using dpms too. I wonder if there is a conflict with xscreensaver or something. brb. |
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| 22:02.13 | bobbens | beered: theyre unrelated, shouldnt conflict, at most theyll overlap |
| 22:02.14 | Adi__1 | ping adi_1 |
| 22:02.17 | glinux | hello |
| 22:02.26 | Edwin | justlprimate: i recall iptables being a pain to set up when i was using a linux box as a router. |
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| 22:02.40 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | gnufan:450mhz PIII, 512mb PC133, 20gb seagate 5400rpm, gateway mobo |
| 22:02.42 | Eulex | X3n0, you could try it. if it doesn't work for you, you gotta compile. wine is not trivial to compile. it uses a non-standard way of configuring and installing, takes a long time to compile and will use up ~1gb when it's done compiling. |
| 22:02.59 | sorcre | gnufan: It's a bit old |
| 22:02.59 | just1primate | Edwin: same set up used to work when sharing to a WinXP box |
| 22:03.21 | Edwin | justlprimate: how is the laptop getting its IP address? |
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| 22:03.38 | gnufan | FghtinIrshNvrDie: what exactly is the error from the panic.... about running init... Old isn't generally a problem as long as it has reasonable disk space and it does |
| 22:03.41 | elliotf | what would be the polite amount of time to allow before I ask a question again? |
| 22:03.55 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | gnufan: Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option |
| 22:03.55 | just1primate | Edwin: staticly set to 192.168.0.2 |
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| 22:04.10 | marty | what do i do about locale settings? |
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| 22:04.15 | Edwin | justlprimate: and this is a doofus grade question, but if it's static, is the gateway set in interfaces with a gateway or gw clause? |
| 22:04.30 | elliotf | FghtinIrshNvrDie: what disk are you using for the root volume? |
| 22:04.31 | Edwin | justlprimate: (this has bitten me more than once.) |
| 22:04.31 | just1primate | heh |
| 22:04.33 | just1primate | one sec |
| 22:04.36 | Eulex | marty, wanna change it? |
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| 22:04.56 | marty | i'm trying to upgrade from sarge to sid, but there is one error that keeps saying i need to check that my default locale is installed and setup |
| 22:05.06 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | elliotf: I haev no idea what that means. Programming is not my bag |
| 22:05.08 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, when trying to boot the sarge install cd? |
| 22:05.10 | just1primate | Edwin: YES! |
| 22:05.17 | sorcre | elliotf: He hasn't setup debian yet. |
| 22:05.22 | just1primate | Edwin: almost worried I spooged that one |
| 22:05.32 | elliotf | FightinIrshNvrDIe: how are you trying to install? |
| 22:05.35 | Eulex | marty, dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 22:05.40 | sorcre | elliotf: Netinstall image |
| 22:05.41 | Edwin | justlprimate: you said gw rather than gateway in the interfaces file? |
| 22:05.41 | marty | ok |
| 22:05.44 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | elliotf: by way of .iso boot disk. |
| 22:05.45 | marty | i'll try that |
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| 22:05.56 | elliotf | wow, that's odd. |
| 22:05.59 | just1primate | Edwin: no, gateway |
| 22:06.03 | just1primate | I think I found the issue |
| 22:06.04 | beered | bobbens: do you know if there is a log or something that would help me troubleshoot xscreensaver somewhere? |
| 22:06.05 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, tried both kernels? |
| 22:06.08 | elliotf | FghtinIrshNvrDie: when do you get the "init not found" error? |
| 22:06.12 | just1primate | in /etc/network/options |
| 22:06.16 | just1primate | ipforward was 0 |
| 22:06.24 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | eulex: I still don't even know what a kernel is |
| 22:06.29 | Adi__1 | what I have to do here ?, |
| 22:06.30 | Adi__1 | Adjusting /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets |
| 22:06.30 | Adi__1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.35 | sorcre | eulex: he did |
| 22:06.42 | bobbens | beered: mmmm, no idea updatedb && locate xscreen |
| 22:06.43 | Edwin | justlprimate: o.O but sysctl's reporting forwarding enabled? |
| 22:06.43 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | elliotf: I get it when I'm trying to do the default boot option |
| 22:06.44 | killfill_ | hey, how would i resize an animated .gif file, lets say 0.7 of the original size? |
| 22:06.48 | sorcre | eulex: had the same problem with Damn small linux |
| 22:06.51 | just1primate | Edwin: yes |
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| 22:07.00 | Eulex | sorcre, hmm, ok |
| 22:07.01 | asg | killfill_: using the tools in the imagemagick package |
| 22:07.10 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, ide chipset? |
| 22:07.11 | elliotf | FghtinIrshNvrDie: As in, when you try to have the install cd boot? |
| 22:07.28 | gnufan | FghtinIrshNvrDie: what sort of CD rom drive? |
| 22:07.30 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | eulex: chipset unknown... It's a gateway board from 1999 or something |
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| 22:07.51 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | gnufan: basic cd rom scrapped from a circa 1998 compaq |
| 22:07.57 | killfill_ | asg, you happend to know a utility that do this?.. |
| 22:08.03 | killfill_ | asg, in the imagemagic package... |
| 22:08.08 | elliotf | sorcre: does the netinstall cd use an initrd, or does it actually try to mount the cd as the root volume? My memory is fuzzy |
| 22:08.13 | killfill_ | and one that does acelerate say 2x a gif file?.. |
| 22:08.25 | lnx^ | hmmz, the latest oidentd in unstable doesn't seem to work for me... getting an "Error initializing core" error when trying to start it |
| 22:08.29 | killfill_ | oh convert |
| 22:08.39 | marty | Eulex: i'm now installing and setting up my locales, what do you suggest i should do with them (this is my first time encountering locales |
| 22:08.44 | Eulex | lnx^, checked the bts? |
| 22:08.53 | sorcre | elliotf: initrd (I think) |
| 22:09.01 | just1primate | Edwin: I am at a loss |
| 22:09.07 | Eulex | marty, umh... select the one most suitable for your language and keyboard |
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| 22:09.16 | sorcre | elliotf: Actually, I'm not too sure... |
| 22:09.20 | Eulex | marty, and select and utf-8 one if possible |
| 22:09.21 | marty | ok |
| 22:09.29 | marty | ok |
| 22:09.30 | Eulex | martin0, *select an |
| 22:09.43 | elliotf | sorcre: because if it can't find init, that would suggest it doesn't have the right root volume, right? |
| 22:10.03 | gnufan | FghtinIrshNvrDie: I'd tend to the try another Linux CD - maybe the Etch installer, or search harder :( |
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| 22:10.24 | sorcre | gnufan: I don't think that's the problem. Damn Small Linux gave him the same error |
| 22:10.25 | gnufan | elliotf: or it can't access the device the root volume is on for some reason (hardware support). |
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| 22:10.55 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | it's true. DSL gave the same error |
| 22:11.03 | lnx^ | Eulex: the what? |
| 22:11.11 | Eulex | !btssmite lnx^ |
| 22:11.18 | lnx^ | :O |
| 22:11.22 | Eulex | gnufan, because it's such an old computer, trying an installer with a newer kernel is unlikely to solve the problem |
| 22:11.23 | elliotf | gnufan: right. |
| 22:11.32 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | agreed |
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| 22:11.53 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | even if this was written in 2001, it would still have been attempted to support my old gateway |
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| 22:11.56 | just1primate | Edwin: wonder if I need to adjust anything on the laptop, besides name server |
| 22:12.00 | Edwin | justlprimate: all /etc/network/options does is get source()d by /etc/init.d/networking, and all that does is either enable it or not by catting to the relevant sysctl |
| 22:12.00 | lnx^ | Eulex: yea i checked it, just wasn't familiar with that shortening |
| 22:12.09 | Eulex | lnx^, oh, ok |
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| 22:12.24 | Edwin | justlprimate: what's the nameserver set to? |
| 22:12.34 | Edwin | justlprimate: 192.168.0.1? |
| 22:12.45 | just1primate | Edwin: yes |
| 22:12.48 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, would it be possible to get info on what chipset it has by *shudder* installing windows on it and checking the system settings? |
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| 22:12.56 | Edwin | justlprimate: when you try to connect to an ip address, do you get "no route to host"? |
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| 22:13.06 | sorcre | Eulex: It has windows 98 on it. |
| 22:13.14 | asg | Eulex: he can probably find that out by running lspci or checking 'dmesg' |
| 22:13.17 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | eulex: windows is my enemy. all I have available is windows 98 and do not want to associate with it if at all possible |
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| 22:13.21 | Edwin | justlprimate: if you pick an ip address you know of outside your network? |
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| 22:13.58 | yosef | I'm having trouble installing alacarte the menu editting tool for GNOME. I'm using the testing and stable repos, and I'm getting the error, "Depends: python-glade2 but it is not going to be installed"... What do I do? |
| 22:13.59 | just1primate | Edwin: no ping times out and returns...unknown host |
| 22:14.18 | Eulex | asg, yep |
| 22:14.20 | asg | just1primate: try 'ping 166.82.1.3' |
| 22:14.36 | asg | just1primate: if that works, then your DNS resolution is at fault. |
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| 22:15.15 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, wait... you said dsl failed with that error? it can't find the init, thus it can't read the root fs, thus it can't read the cd? |
| 22:15.18 | just1primate | Edwin: no dice |
| 22:15.29 | just1primate | Edwin: but I can ping my desktop by name or IP |
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| 22:15.56 | Edwin | justlprimate: how's your desktop serving DNS? |
| 22:16.12 | Eulex | so the cd drive should be the problem? |
| 22:16.23 | just1primate | Edwin: from resolv.conf, I think |
| 22:16.23 | sorcre | Eulex: According to him, it performed some operations before getting that error. Wouldn't it have to read the cd for that? |
| 22:16.32 | just1primate | it isnt't "serving" |
| 22:16.45 | just1primate | *bright light bulb over head* |
| 22:17.05 | just1primate | Edwin: do I need to server DNS to the other machine manually? |
| 22:17.32 | Edwin | justlprimate: if you've set it up to masquerade everything, you shouldn't have to. |
| 22:17.40 | just1primate | Edwin: thats what I thought |
| 22:17.47 | Edwin | just1primate: but then, you wouldn't be able to look up the desktop by name. |
| 22:17.52 | beered | bobb/join #irssi |
| 22:17.56 | just1primate | Edwin: true |
| 22:17.58 | beered | opps. |
| 22:18.05 | Edwin | just1primate: so how is your desktop configured? `.` |
| 22:18.27 | asg | beered: at least you didn't output 'buggering the cat/join #irssi' |
| 22:18.29 | just1primate | Edwin: DHCP to eth0, Static from Eth1 |
| 22:18.45 | just1primate | Edwin: perhaps a permission issue? |
| 22:18.56 | beered | asg: hehe... |
| 22:19.08 | Eulex | sorcre, well, there are a few things that all need to read from the cd: 1. the bios 2. grub/lilo 3. the kernel. in his case, the bios and grub/lilo probably can read the cd, but the kernel can't. |
| 22:19.13 | Edwin | just1primate, which permissions, though? |
| 22:19.22 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, what cd drive was it that you had? |
| 22:19.25 | just1primate | Edwin: ipmasq? |
| 22:20.06 | sorcre | Eulex: He is trying to check something on the pc right now but he has a basic cd rom scrapped from a circa 1998 compaq |
| 22:20.14 | Edwin | just1primate, you mean, the ruleset? |
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| 22:20.22 | beered | asg: I just hate those typos. I once joined a wrong chan because of a type and after about 10 min I started wondering... what are these people talking about. It had nothing to do with linux or computer. Scary. |
| 22:20.34 | just1primate | Edwin: I don't know......damn |
| 22:20.43 | gnufan | sorcre: and the IDE config -- make sure the cable et all are right, and as expected... unlikely but IDE can be a bitch if it is slightly wrong. |
| 22:20.45 | just1primate | Edwin: brb, reboot |
| 22:21.00 | asg | beered: :) it happens |
| 22:21.19 | sorcre | gnufan: pretty sure the cables are correct. |
| 22:21.51 | Eulex | sorcre, that may explain it. |
| 22:22.14 | hlieberman | Quick question for ya guys... I'm installing, and (as always) I'm completely confused by the raid thing. So, I made one drive the correct partitions, made the second drive one big raid partition, then setup a raid device. Was that the right way to do it? |
| 22:22.21 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, would it be possible to try booting from another cd drive? |
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| 22:23.20 | gnufan | hlieberman: no -- make the drives with the same set of RAID partitions, then pair them up, and assign the pairs roles (for RAID1). |
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| 22:23.24 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | eulex: I'm sure that it works. I pulled it from a machine working just days ago in a swap for a CD-RW |
| 22:23.40 | Edwin | an awkward qt question: libqt3c102 is required for amarok. this library conflicts with libqt3-mt-dev (version 3.0.3), so i can't compile anything against qt with amarok installed. is this a bug in the packaging, or unfixable, and has anyone *any* idea why i've been stuck at 3.0.3 rather than 3.3.3, as i'm running stable (sarge) having upgraded from woody (oldsarge, contained 3.0.3) |
| 22:23.44 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | eulex: Also, I checked and rechecked the IDE connections |
| 22:24.02 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, that the hardware is working and that linux has working drivers for it are two different things. |
| 22:24.05 | asg | Edwin: #debian-kde might know if nobody here does |
| 22:24.08 | hlieberman | gnufan, one second, going back into the installer, and will start again. I'll get there in a minute |
| 22:24.24 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | Eulex: Understood... I'll try a different Asus 50x drive I have |
| 22:24.25 | Edwin | asg: thanks. :) |
| 22:24.25 | sorcre | Eulex: It seems to be a AGPset: FW82443BX |
| 22:24.52 | Eulex | sorcre, eh? cd on agp? |
| 22:24.58 | sorcre | Eulex: errr, mobo |
| 22:25.10 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | eulex: it's the numbers on the northbridge |
| 22:25.20 | Eulex | sorcre & FghtinIrshNvrDie, hmm, ok |
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| 22:25.37 | sorcre | Eulex: Forgot who, but someone asked him to check earlier |
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| 22:26.34 | hlieberman | gnufan, So, how do I pair them up? |
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| 22:27.14 | gnufan | hlieberman: I think it is the software mirroring menu option in the partitioning tool. |
| 22:27.24 | X3n0 | !tell X3n0 alien |
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| 22:27.45 | Eulex | X3n0, talk to dpkg in private, please |
| 22:27.47 | gnufan | hlieberman: one of those things I've done so many times, but can't picture.... |
| 22:27.53 | dusty | Hey guys i run debian sid, up to date, why does it come with xchat 2.4.5 i've ran sid before and it came with 2.6??? |
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| 22:28.22 | Eulex | dusty, xchat 2.4.5 is in sid. |
| 22:28.30 | X3n0 | Eulex: Sorry. |
| 22:28.34 | marty | if i remove packages and reinstall them, they automatically attach themselves to their old settings? (correct?) how do i install programs and remove their old settings? |
| 22:28.42 | X3n0 | Eulex: Do you know of a good way to open RPM's in Debian? |
| 22:28.52 | hlieberman | gnufan, Heh. So, I go to Configure software raid, then create MD device, then RAID1. Then I say 2 active devices, because I have 2 drives, and 0 spare. |
| 22:29.06 | nkuttler | marty: purge them |
| 22:29.06 | gnufan | hlieberman: sounds right to me |
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| 22:29.29 | gnufan | marty: "man apt" "/purge" |
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| 22:29.40 | hlieberman | then it says this: "Please choose which partitions are active devices. You must select exactly 2 partitions. Active devices for the RAID1 multidisk device: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 and /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part6 |
| 22:29.43 | X3n0 | "How do you bring up the ascii internet browser? |
| 22:29.46 | X3n0 | in console |
| 22:29.51 | Eulex | X3n0, use alien, but most often you don't need to. what package are you trying to get? |
| 22:30.06 | Eulex | X3n0, install one, then start it. (links2, elinks, w3m etc) |
| 22:30.07 | marty | thanks |
| 22:30.23 | X3n0 | Eulex: ATI Drivers |
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| 22:30.39 | Eulex | !ati drivers |
| 22:30.39 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 22:30.39 | hlieberman | gnufan, That doesn't sound good... that looks like they're both on the same drive |
| 22:30.48 | Eulex | X3n0, ^^ |
| 22:30.52 | kspath | X3n0: lynx exists also |
| 22:30.53 | gnufan | hlieberman: did you already partition the disks as so many software mirroring sections... |
| 22:31.05 | X3n0 | kspath: Lynx? |
| 22:31.07 | X3n0 | Eulex: Thx |
| 22:31.25 | Eulex | X3n0, alternatively, get the packages from testing or unstable. |
| 22:31.38 | X3n0 | I'm looking for stable packages |
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| 22:32.19 | Eulex | well, there aren't fglrx packages for stable. they are generic, however. |
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| 22:32.32 | X3n0 | Can I make them into stable packageS? |
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| 22:33.03 | Eulex | X3n0, you don't need to, they're generic. |
| 22:33.15 | CLucas916 | what package is the latest kernel-image? |
| 22:33.29 | theD3viL | CLucas916: stable? |
| 22:33.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've got a new game? |
| 22:33.46 | X3n0 | Eulex: how do you open your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:33.48 | asg | tarzeau: eating big burgers. |
| 22:33.48 | CLucas916 | theD3viL, i want to install 2.6.15, whats the name of the package |
| 22:33.59 | Eulex | X3n0, use any text editor |
| 22:34.08 | tarzeau | asg: how is that fun? |
| 22:34.13 | BobDole | Can I setup ssh/keys if I don't have root access to the remote machine? I'm only a regular user. |
| 22:34.14 | theD3viL | CLucas916: hm..apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.15 |
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| 22:34.19 | asg | tarzeau: you should have him show you the burger in question |
| 22:34.20 | X3n0 | Eulex: how do you open it via terminal? |
| 22:34.25 | Eulex | CLucas916, linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 for example. btw, why do you need that one. |
| 22:34.27 | BobDole | But I have root access to my local machine(my laptop) |
| 22:34.31 | Eulex | s/./?/ |
| 22:34.36 | Eulex | X3n0, use nano. |
| 22:34.36 | tarzeau | asg: is that work safe? |
| 22:34.39 | CLucas916 | Eulex, i dont neeed it, but i need a kernel |
| 22:34.40 | X3n0 | thx |
| 22:34.46 | theD3viL | i have startup script for xscreensaver...but everytime when i login screensaver shows up! How to start it like an deamon or something? |
| 22:34.57 | Eulex | CLucas916, if you have debian installed, you already have a kernel :P |
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| 22:35.11 | asg | BobDole: 1) use ssh-keygen to create a local key pair. 2) copy the public key to your remove user's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. |
| 22:35.17 | CLucas916 | Eulex, no im installing it from knoppix using debootstrap, i dont have one yet |
| 22:35.26 | asg | tarzeau: he's still alive so it must be relatively safe |
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| 22:35.34 | hlieberman | gnufan, Here's how I partitioned them.... I'll pastebin it. one sec. http://pastebin.com/539191 |
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| 22:35.49 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 22:36.04 | jadu123 | Hi! |
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| 22:36.27 | X3n0 | Eulex: Afte I do a apt-get update how do I get the new ati drivers? |
| 22:36.43 | gnufan | hlieberman: you want to make them all RAID... so that it can pair them up (assuming you have no data on any of them at the moment of course!) |
| 22:36.52 | BobDole | thanks asg, then how can I use something like ssh-agent? |
| 22:36.53 | jadu123 | Sorry to interrupt. Is there a German language chat for debian stuff? |
| 22:36.58 | Eulex | X3n0, apt-get install them. |
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| 22:37.01 | gnufan | !de |
| 22:37.01 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 22:37.03 | kekkulus | anyone knows how to equalize??? gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=B_Flat_Blues.mp3 ! mad ! equalizer bands=4 values=??? ! volume volume=2 ! alsasink |
| 22:37.06 | hlieberman | gnufan, Of course. |
| 22:37.13 | asg | BobDole: the manpage will tell you how |
| 22:37.16 | X3n0 | Eulex ah |
| 22:37.21 | jadu123 | dpkg: Thanks / Danke :-) Ich schau da mal. |
| 22:37.21 | dpkg | de rien, jadu123 |
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| 22:37.33 | gnufan | hlieberman: as you see it is offering only the ones already marked for RAID |
| 22:37.37 | Eulex | X3n0, apt-cache search for them :) |
| 22:37.39 | sorcre | gnufan & Eulex, he replaced his cd drive and got a new error |
| 22:37.47 | jadu123 | see you! |
| 22:37.47 | theD3viL | i have startup script for xscreensaver...but everytime when i login screensaver shows up! How to start it like an deamon or something? And when i reboot i get message - MTRR2 not found. What is it means? |
| 22:37.50 | Eulex | sorcre, he did? |
| 22:37.54 | asg | BobDole: generally, you start the agent from your ~/.xsession and use ssh-add to add your key. |
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| 22:37.57 | hlieberman | gnufan, So, at that strange step where it spits out the lun0 stuff, I just select them both? |
| 22:38.03 | Eulex | FghtinIrshNvrDie, new error? |
| 22:38.07 | sorcre | Eulex: mount_devfs_fs():unable to mount devfs, err: -5 |
| 22:38.08 | BobDole | asg: Do I save it ash ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 22:38.42 | X3n0 | Eulex: I do 'apt-cache search ati drivers' and it gives me like 200 things. |
| 22:38.49 | asg | BobDole: either should work at this point. I always use ~/.ssh/authorized_keys myself. |
| 22:38.59 | BobDole | asg: I should edit .profile and alias startx='ssh-agent startx'? |
| 22:39.05 | theD3viL | X3n0: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:39.08 | Eulex | X3n0, apt-cache search fglrx |
| 22:39.18 | gnufan | hlieberman: you select matching pairs (do make them the same size), I think you can make one disk, and clone it to the other, but it always seems easier to me just to partition them manually. Whats the 500MB partition for? |
| 22:39.22 | Eulex | sorcre, umh, that's really strange. has he tried both kernels yet? |
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| 22:39.39 | X3n0 | Eulex: No respones. |
| 22:39.40 | asg | BobDole: no, just add 'ssh-agent &' to your ~/.xsession file |
| 22:39.41 | hlieberman | gnufan, /boot |
| 22:39.48 | theD3viL | X3n0: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 22:40.00 | Eulex | X3n0, then you haven't added it correctly. |
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| 22:40.08 | kurumin | ... |
| 22:40.14 | gnufan | hlieberman: okay -- not sure it is needed with grub - but for as long as you weren't hoping to fit Debian in there.... |
| 22:40.16 | asg | BobDole: newer versions of Debian do this automatically so you might want to consult ps(1) to see if it's running |
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| 22:40.39 | nixn00b | hi |
| 22:40.48 | hlieberman | gnufan, I don't think it is needed, but, that way in case something goes terribly wrong, I can replace kernels easily without formatting everything else. |
| 22:40.54 | sorcre | Eulex: he is trying now |
| 22:41.11 | gnufan | hlieberman: I thought that was what Ubuntu LiveCDs were for ;) |
| 22:41.21 | hlieberman | gnufan, Hehe |
| 22:41.31 | nixn00b | I've tried debian before but all the packages seemed quite old am I missing somthing is there a newer version? |
| 22:41.33 | muntyan | does someone know why would apache work in local network, but refuse connection when accessing it as http://real.hostname? |
| 22:41.39 | Eulex | CLucas916, ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 22:41.40 | asg | gnufan: standard Debian install cds can do that also |
| 22:41.43 | Edwin | asg: everyone in #debian-kde appears tobe asleep u.u |
| 22:41.46 | herbi | hi guys |
| 22:41.55 | BobDole | asg: I did "ssh-agent &" without restarting x, then I do "ssh-add" and it says it can't connect to ssh-agent |
| 22:41.59 | gnufan | hlieberman: worth knowing that some of the LiveCDs have software mirroring installed, so you can mount the mirrored disks... can you do that with the install disks? |
| 22:42.02 | X3n0 | How do I kill synaptic if it isn't closing by itself? |
| 22:42.02 | muntyan | i have a newly installed system, and ssh works fine from outside, but apache doesn't |
| 22:42.17 | BobDole | muntyan: Your isp probably blocks port 80(mine does) |
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| 22:42.27 | hlieberman | gnufan, Don't know... but how do I match them up? |
| 22:42.31 | BobDole | muntyan: I know verizon blocks port 80 |
| 22:42.31 | hlieberman | gnufan, Copy data? |
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| 22:42.40 | Eulex | X3n0, killall synaptic. if that doesn't work, try killall -2, then killall -1, then killall -9 if nothing else works. |
| 22:42.41 | muntyan | BobDole: no, i use 8080 |
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| 22:42.46 | tsp | hello |
| 22:42.51 | BobDole | muntyan: apache2 or apache? |
| 22:42.55 | BobDole | !greet tsp |
| 22:42.55 | dpkg | Salutations, tsp |
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| 22:43.06 | X3n0 | Eulex: "Child terminated iwth code 15" or something to that efect |
| 22:43.09 | muntyan | BobDole: i.e. http://192.168.3.7:8080 works fine but http://munt.mine.nu doesn't |
| 22:43.13 | tsp | kwhy would the brltty package be so out of date? I"m not using debian yet, but thats apolling. |
| 22:43.14 | muntyan | BobDole: apache |
| 22:43.15 | muntyan | 1.3 |
| 22:43.17 | asg | BobDole: are you running X? |
| 22:43.19 | theD3viL | i have startup script for xscreensaver...but everytime when i login screensaver shows up! How to start it like an deamon or something? anyone ? |
| 22:43.19 | Eulex | X3n0, ok, that should be ok. |
| 22:43.21 | BobDole | !tell nixn00b about testing |
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| 22:43.27 | BobDole | nixn00b: use testing, that's what I use. |
| 22:43.34 | muntyan | BobDole: (http://munt.mine.nu:8080 that is) |
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| 22:43.34 | BobDole | Hey herbi |
| 22:43.39 | X3n0 | Eulex: Ok, i did apt-get search fglrx and no results |
| 22:43.48 | nixn00b | thanks bob :] |
| 22:43.49 | gnufan | hlieberman: you lost me... have you partitions them all as RAID, and gone to create md0, md1, md2 ? |
| 22:43.52 | BobDole | asg: yes, I have X/fluxbox/xterm running atm |
| 22:43.53 | Eulex | X3n0, then you still haven't added it correctly. |
| 22:43.54 | lith | is there a tool to see which "services" are running? (my question is really this: I need to know which /etc/init.d/.. files are being ran during starup |
| 22:44.05 | Eulex | X3n0, you mean apt-cache search, right? |
| 22:44.05 | hlieberman | gnufan, Ahh... ok.. from the top. |
| 22:44.06 | MB350 | would anyone prefer kde or gnome as a desktop for suse linux? |
| 22:44.08 | tsp | brltty 3.4 is the latest in debian, while 3.7 is out |
| 22:44.11 | X3n0 | Eulex: YEah |
| 22:44.16 | hlieberman | gnufan, I go to configure software raid |
| 22:44.24 | BobDole | muntyan: When you use your favorite browser, and you type http://localhost:8080 it works? |
| 22:44.30 | hlieberman | gnufan, then create md device |
| 22:44.34 | X3n0 | Eulex: I added sources.list the link on the site |
| 22:44.36 | hlieberman | gnufan, then raid1 |
| 22:44.46 | hlieberman | gnufan, 2 active, 0 backup |
| 22:44.47 | Eulex | X3n0, apt-get update runs without problems |
| 22:44.52 | muntyan | BobDole: yes |
| 22:44.52 | BobDole | muntyan: Try changing ports, it wouldn't suprise me at all if you isp blocks 8080 also, try like 63492 |
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| 22:44.58 | asg | BobDole: if it's already running you might need to gen and export the relevant shell commands (i.e. ssh-agent -b, or ssh-agent-c) Check the manpage. |
| 22:45.06 | X3n0 | Eulex: Yes |
| 22:45.10 | muntyan | BobDole: hm, good idea :) |
| 22:45.30 | hlieberman | gnufan, Then I get the strange active devices things.... |
| 22:45.55 | hlieberman | gnufan, Ahh! I have no idea what I'm supposed to do |
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| 22:45.59 | tyranix | Edwin: Basically (as I understand it) there was a C++ transition because the g++ introduced incompatible changes. So transition libs were built with postfix c102. Once all packages were rebuilt against *c102, then they could introduce the old name (with new C++ version) for the library. The transitioned libraries were set to conflict against the old non-c102 versions. So it sounds like you have some packages that are still built again |
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| 22:46.07 | gnufan | hlieberman: you get 6 of them to choose from? |
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| 22:46.50 | cracky | i am on nokia 770 running debian |
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| 22:46.52 | Edwin | tyranix: let me check where i got amarok from... |
| 22:47.03 | Eulex | X3n0, hmm, dunno. I'd download the .debs manually and dpkg -i them. |
| 22:47.11 | Eulex | cracky, debian runs on those? |
| 22:47.37 | dsherret | what is the command to edit things like the sources.list through a terminal? (while in root) |
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| 22:47.49 | asg | dsherret: vi |
| 22:47.53 | zerodni | vim |
| 22:48.00 | hlieberman | gnufan, No, two. |
| 22:48.01 | dsherret | thanks a lot |
| 22:48.01 | asg | zerodni: only if vim is installed |
| 22:48.02 | BobDole | dsherret: yourfavoriteeditor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:48.04 | FlopsyPete | how do I record using a Sound Blaster Live Drive II optical in? in GNOME's Volume Control I choose 'IEC958 Live Drive', press Record in GNOME's Sound Recorder and get nothing |
| 22:48.06 | hlieberman | gnufan, Two options |
| 22:48.07 | X3n0 | Eulex: How do I do that with http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver_8.21.7.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 22:48.14 | gnufan | hlieberman: same two as before? |
| 22:48.29 | Eulex | cracky, those don't run debian, they run a debian based proprietary distro. |
| 22:48.35 | Eulex | X3n0, that's not a .deb. |
| 22:48.40 | BobDole | dsherret: I recommend nano if you don't know how to use vi, so you would find a terminal, login as root, and type nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:48.51 | tyranix | Edwin: I'm not sure amarok is the problem. It sounds like amarok may be okay but you have something else that depends on the old qt library. |
| 22:48.53 | zerodni | asg yeah but i just wanted to throw that out there becase i think it edit more like a higher end editer |
| 22:48.58 | zerodni | lol |
| 22:48.59 | dsherret | BobDole: oh ok thanks |
| 22:49.04 | BobDole | X3n0: What card do you have? |
| 22:49.06 | hlieberman | gnufan, Yes. |
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| 22:49.12 | X3n0 | ATI Radeon 8500 mobility |
| 22:49.16 | asg | zerodni: it does, it's just that vim isn't the default, nvi is. |
| 22:49.26 | gnufan | hlieberman: think maybe you didn't save the partition changes to disk.... damn.... as I said easier to do than to imagine |
| 22:49.26 | BobDole | X3n0: no need to get fglrx, you just need xorg |
| 22:49.32 | tyranix | Edwin: Try this 'apt-cache rdepends libqt3-mt-dev' |
| 22:49.34 | hlieberman | gnufan, Heh.. |
| 22:49.36 | BobDole | X3n0: xorg would probably run better with 3d accel with fglrx |
| 22:49.38 | X3n0 | BobDole: Im on xfree86 |
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| 22:49.46 | crackintosh | huh? |
| 22:49.53 | Eulex | X3n0, afaik xfree86 should support it too. |
| 22:49.59 | BobDole | !tell X3n0 about xorg sarge |
| 22:50.02 | hlieberman | gnufan, So, say Finish partitioning and write changes to disk? |
| 22:50.19 | gnufan | hlieberman: think so.... |
| 22:50.21 | zerodni | asg, i was wondering if you do just a nomral install does vim get installed i forget i always install minim and install just the pagages i want |
| 22:50.26 | hlieberman | gnufan, I don't think so.... |
| 22:50.41 | asg | zerodni: no, vim isn't installed by default with a base install |
| 22:50.41 | Eulex | crackintosh, what a nokia 770 runs is not debian. |
| 22:50.50 | gnufan | hlieberman: why not? |
| 22:50.56 | Edwin | tyranix: apt-cache rdepends libqt3c102-mt, surely? your suggestion gives me three packages; mine gives me an awesomely long list. |
| 22:51.02 | hlieberman | gnufan, Because that will proceed with the install, I believe |
| 22:51.04 | theD3viL | when i reboot i get message - MTRR2 not found. What is it means? |
| 22:51.07 | asg | zerodni: when I install a new machine, the first thing *I* do is install vim, screen, less, ssh, and cowsay |
| 22:51.27 | gnufan | hlieberman: no I think you have to say "done" as well... |
| 22:51.28 | muntyan | BobDole: same thing, "connection refused". i'd think something is messed up in modem/router config, but ssh from outside does work |
| 22:51.29 | zerodni | not on the base install but what about just the normal desktop install like when you pick desktop envorment |
| 22:51.38 | tyranix | Edwin: Right. So those 3 packages are what is holding you back. |
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| 22:51.44 | gnufan | hlieberman: you can always go back |
| 22:51.45 | BobDole | muntyan: Try unplugging your router and then try it. |
| 22:51.52 | BobDole | muntyan: This way you can narrow down the problem. |
| 22:51.54 | asg | zerodni: never done one of those so I can't say. I always start minimal and only install what I need from there. |
| 22:51.55 | hlieberman | gnufan, Not if it starts installing |
| 22:51.55 | crackintosh | Eulex: why do you say that. |
| 22:52.10 | gnufan | hlieberman: try it. |
| 22:52.11 | hlieberman | gnufan, I'll try it, if you think I should |
| 22:52.13 | zerodni | asg, ah yeah me too |
| 22:52.24 | Eulex | crackintosh, why do you think I say that? |
| 22:52.26 | hlieberman | gnufan, Annnd.... it started installing the base system |
| 22:52.27 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | linux hates me everyone... |
| 22:52.36 | hlieberman | gnufan, And won't let me stop. |
| 22:52.37 | asg | FghtinIrshNvrDie: then use a BSD |
| 22:52.55 | zerodni | asg, now do you like emacs |
| 22:53.02 | BobDole | X3n0: login as root and type this "echo deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
| 22:53.10 | hlieberman | gnufan, And now I restart... |
| 22:53.13 | gnufan | hlieberman: master or mouse --- you have the power button... odd - this expert mode? |
| 22:53.25 | BobDole | X3n0: login as root and type this echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg; |
| 22:53.27 | sorcre | Thanks for trying to help |
| 22:53.30 | hlieberman | gnufan, I don't think so... that some special setting at the beginning |
| 22:53.32 | asg | zerodni: never used it. When I started using Linux my harddrive could only support having either X or emacs. I chose the former with vi as an editor. |
| 22:53.33 | zerodni | asg, i have like it for c progaming but dont like it for much anything else |
| 22:53.35 | BobDole | X3n0: When it asks you what driver, say ati, and voila you have 3d acecl. |
| 22:53.43 | FghtinIrshNvrDie | I think I might have to use BSD |
| 22:53.43 | crackintosh | Eulex :i guess im wrong... it only uses apt get |
| 22:53.47 | hlieberman | I'll do expert |
| 22:53.48 | kspath | !emacssmite zerodni |
| 22:53.58 | asg | zerodni: I keep meaning to have a look but never get around to it. |
| 22:54.09 | Eulex | crackintosh, well, it's based on debian. but that doesn't mean that it's running debian. |
| 22:54.25 | zerodni | asg, do you program in C |
| 22:54.25 | gnufan | hlieberman: yes - I always use "expert26" at the boot prompt to get the more detailed install... Sorry if I slowed you down here... |
| 22:54.34 | asg | zerodni: not often but I have. |
| 22:54.48 | asg | zerodni: mostly, I do shell, Perl and python these days. |
| 22:54.59 | hlieberman | gnufan, oops... i used expert. |
| 22:55.09 | hlieberman | gnufan, And I restart |
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| 22:55.40 | gnufan | hlieberman: expert is similar except it is a 2.4 kernel.... I just thing 2.4 is very old fashioned... |
| 22:55.49 | Eulex | http://new.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?abrotman -- just one left to 50 :) |
| 22:55.56 | abrotman | Eulex: ? |
| 22:55.56 | zerodni | asg, then i wouldnt recomend it for just text like letters and stuff or conf files it is nice for shell but with shell i find that those are just quick hack programs to get something done at the time so vim works for those |
| 22:56.03 | abrotman | Eulex: how'd you know i just got home ? |
| 22:56.05 | Eulex | gnufan, you could do expert26 :) |
| 22:56.10 | FlopsyPete | how do I record using a Sound Blaster Live Drive II optical in? in GNOME's Volume Control I choose 'IEC958 Live Drive', press Record in GNOME's Sound Recorder and get nothing |
| 22:56.16 | Eulex | abrotman, I didn't :P |
| 22:56.21 | abrotman | Eulex: great timing |
| 22:56.26 | gnufan | Eulex: what we are discussing... |
| 22:56.29 | Eulex | abrotman, indeed :) |
| 22:56.31 | hlieberman | gnufan, What installer components should I load? *confused* |
| 22:56.32 | asg | zerodni: well, when I write letters, I use vi to edit Latex files for easy formatting :) |
| 22:56.33 | kspath | abrotman: we have a debian tracking device on you. |
| 22:56.44 | BobDole | !tell FlopsyPete about sound blaster |
| 22:56.57 | gnufan | hlieberman: ignore them I think... less any look exciting to you.... |
| 22:57.04 | BobDole | ugh, dumb factoid, just an infinite loop |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | Eulex: it's not convincing when RMS signs ... |
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| 22:57.15 | Amarande | Evening. |
| 22:57.21 | hlieberman | gnufan, Loading... |
| 22:57.23 | asg | BobDole: no, it just means that 'sound blaster' isn't a factoid |
| 22:57.32 | Eulex | gnufan, ah, sorry. |
| 22:57.40 | Eulex | abrotman, hehe :) |
| 22:57.43 | BobDole | asg: yea but it would be easier if it wasn't anything. |
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| 22:57.51 | asg | BobDole: /msg dpkg forget <foo> |
| 22:57.59 | kspath | RMS ~= Root Mean Square? |
| 22:58.10 | zerodni | asg, i have always had a hard time with formating in vi for some reason when i write something in vi then put it in say kwrite it aways looks diffrent that is why i switched to vim |
| 22:58.15 | asg | BobDole: rinse, repeat. Better yet, add something that isn't redundant. |
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| 22:58.23 | BobDole | cannot remove factoid 'sb', too old. (13183.9570949074>6048) use 'no,' instead |
| 22:58.25 | hlieberman | gnufan, OK. I'm at partitioning again |
| 22:58.28 | Edwin | kspath: richard m stallman ;) |
| 22:58.32 | FlopsyPete | why do Audacity's available recording inputs not resemble those in the volume control? |
| 22:58.32 | war92 | Hello, does anyone here use NFS on a gigabit network? |
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| 22:58.39 | zerodni | asg, it could have been xtrem config though |
| 22:58.54 | asg | zerodni: oh, I use vim, I just meant that Debian comes with nvi by default. This will likely change with etch though. |
| 22:59.04 | gnufan | hlieberman: does it say they are all RAID partitions? |
| 22:59.05 | X3n0 | BobDole: I think upgrading to xorg is a bit advanced for me can I just install it on xfree86? |
| 22:59.15 | Flamel | Hello |
| 22:59.19 | zerodni | asg, ah i understaind now LOL |
| 22:59.22 | asg | zerodni: :) |
| 22:59.24 | gnufan | hlieberman: I think not - otherwise the installation couldn't have continued. |
| 22:59.32 | war92 | Who here uses NFS? |
| 22:59.36 | abrotman | noone |
| 22:59.40 | asg | greycat does |
| 22:59.45 | hlieberman | gnufan, No.... it says that the slave has two raid partitions, and one swap |
| 22:59.50 | BobDole | X3n0: All those questions it asks you is nothing...just hit enter for the default value and you're fine, except when it asks you the driver select ati. |
| 22:59.56 | zerodni | asg, well got to go good talking to you asg |
| 22:59.58 | abrotman | asg: you should bring greycat back! |
| 23:00.05 | gnufan | hlieberman: make em all RAID |
| 23:00.06 | asg | zerodni: you too. Have a good night. |
| 23:00.06 | war92 | I've been using NFS on a lot of systems for > 5yrs now and on 100mbps, I've always maxed out at 11-13mb/s, on a raptor<->raptor xfer I get 55-75MB/s on FTP but only 10-20mb/s on NFS, does anyone know why? |
| 23:00.12 | X3n0 | BobDole: What do you mean? |
| 23:00.16 | BobDole | X3n0: Just hit enter everytime it asks you a question, then when it asks what driver, select ati, and you have 3d accel.(even hit enter if the value is blank)(that's what I do at least0 |
| 23:00.17 | hlieberman | gnufan, Both drives? |
| 23:00.38 | asg | abrotman: I would if I could, he has just washed his hands of the whole business. He has principles; I tried to but I'm a pussy. |
| 23:00.43 | gnufan | hlieberman: raid1 swap - otherwise you lose memory when the disk goes -- argh.. Yes both drives (assuming there is no data on them). |
| 23:00.44 | X3n0 | BobDole: ty |
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| 23:00.49 | abrotman | asg: you're english |
| 23:00.53 | X3n0 | BobDole: does that make my system unstable? |
| 23:00.56 | asg | abrotman: that too |
| 23:00.59 | BobDole | X3n0: Installing xorg is 20x easier then trying to install fglrx and compile a kernel module and load the kernel module, and edit Xfree86's config file(that is what you are trying to do |
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| 23:01.09 | hlieberman | gnufan, Wait a second.... *confused* Make both drives raid? Not one drive with ext3, and one with raid? |
| 23:01.09 | X3n0 | BobDole: i see |
| 23:01.12 | BobDole | X3n0: no |
| 23:01.18 | asg | abrotman: if he can't act on his own terms, then he will not. |
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| 23:01.33 | abrotman | asg: he's got balls! :) |
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| 23:01.46 | asg | abrotman: yes, he does. |
| 23:01.48 | halibut | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.00 | BobDole | X3n0: login as root and type this echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg; when it asks you which driver, select ati and voila you have 3d accel.(hit enter on all the questions you dont know) |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | asg: or he could just come back . .and do it .. and then see how long it takes to get banned |
| 23:02.02 | gnufan | hlieberman: both drives raid -- then you make "md0" with partition 1 from disk 1, and partition 1 from disk 2. "md1", "md2" likewise. Then assign roles to md0,md1,md2 as you would to normal partitions. |
| 23:02.09 | DONDON_ | Can someone help me stop X, I'm trying to install video drivers |
| 23:02.10 | Lord_Athur | what program can i use to download music? (one similar to the imesh under windows? |
| 23:02.16 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella |
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| 23:02.26 | BobDole | DONDON_: type control alt and backspace |
| 23:02.38 | BobDole | Lord_Athur: apt-get install gtk-gnutella |
| 23:02.38 | gravity | Why on earth is everyone under the sun installing the proprietary X drivers lately? |
| 23:02.50 | BobDole | gravity: I told him xorg not fglrx. |
| 23:02.52 | gnufan | hlieberman: so you make "md0" ext3 (or reiserfs if you are gnufan), and /boot |
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| 23:03.02 | BobDole | His card is older then 9150 anyway. |
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| 23:03.18 | gnufan | gravity: either it is too many 3d games, or they haven't read the benchmarks ;) |
| 23:03.23 | asg | abrotman: brb |
| 23:03.24 | gravity | BobDole: That's good, thanks for doing that |
| 23:03.30 | hlieberman | gnufan, Ahh! Now I have 3 on target 0, three on target 1. Match them? |
| 23:03.39 | kspath | gravity: herd mentality |
| 23:03.43 | abrotman | gravity: because .. they all buy cards requiring nonfree drivers? |
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| 23:03.51 | CLucas916 | i downloaded a .deb file, what program do i use to run it |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | CLucas916: man dpkg |
| 23:04.02 | Eulex | CLucas916, dpkg -i filename |
| 23:04.04 | kspath | gravity: herd gets spooked by anything and some/all the herd reacts. |
| 23:04.15 | gnufan | hlieberman: yeap -- probably want 1st and 4th if you did it the sensible way and put them in the same order - if you get it wrong you won't have a large partition |
| 23:04.15 | CLucas916 | Eulex, thanks |
| 23:04.23 | oklinux | which java do i need for debian ? |
| 23:04.29 | abrotman | !tell oklinux about install java |
| 23:04.34 | SerajewelKS | oklinux: you don't need java at all |
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| 23:04.49 | gnufan | oklinux: Debian runs just fine without Java... |
| 23:04.53 | hlieberman | gnufan, I think that worked. |
| 23:05.07 | hlieberman | gnufan, I have three raid devices, of the correct sizes, and mounted properly. |
| 23:05.10 | hlieberman | gnufan, Now I continue |
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| 23:05.27 | kekkulus | is anyone familiar with gst-launch? |
| 23:05.27 | hlieberman | gnufan, Out of curiosity, when all this is over, how do I verify it worked? |
| 23:05.36 | gnufan | hlieberman: it really is quite easy - the next pain comes with the boot loader -- hopefully it'll set up GRUB correctly. |
| 23:05.51 | gnufan | hlieberman: cat /proc/mdadm |
| 23:05.55 | mhall | PINTO |
| 23:06.00 | hlieberman | gnufan, Let's hope.... |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | CHEVELLE |
| 23:06.01 | oklinux | i need java for some app |
| 23:06.02 | kspath | BEANS |
| 23:06.06 | mhall | :-D |
| 23:06.11 | hlieberman | gnufan, I'll see if it prompts me for something |
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| 23:06.19 | war92 | Anyone here get > 30-40MB/s on NFS over GIGABIT? |
| 23:06.29 | mhall | abrotman: kspath: you guys remembered |
| 23:06.29 | beered | how comes there is not apt-get for MPlayer> |
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| 23:06.30 | blondie | umm |
| 23:06.38 | mhall | blondie: where's dagwood? |
| 23:06.42 | blondie | where? |
| 23:06.44 | oklinux | jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin is this the one i need ? |
| 23:06.48 | blondie | who? what? |
| 23:06.50 | SerajewelKS | !mplayer |
| 23:06.50 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 23:06.50 | Eulex | war92, you may be hitting the max speed of your hdd. |
| 23:06.53 | SerajewelKS | beered: ^^^ |
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| 23:07.39 | kspath | mhall: Out getting the makings for a sandwich? |
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| 23:07.52 | CLucas916 | when i use apt-get to install a kernel i get this error '/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device' |
| 23:07.58 | beered | SerajewelKS: I can't apt-get install xine either. |
| 23:08.03 | CLucas916 | im chrooted into the OS |
| 23:08.12 | gnufan | hlieberman: here my "how to get out of RAID jail with Ubuntu livecd memoir from my blog" http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/24 -- not that you'll ever mess up like that. GRUB is better but harder to set up if the tools don't just do it (I think they do now). |
| 23:08.14 | Edwin | tyranix: turns out, of those three packages, i only actually have the kernel sources installed. so remove the kernel sources and it should work? |
| 23:08.15 | beered | SerajewelKS: 'could fine package zine. |
| 23:08.27 | SerajewelKS | beered: apt-get install xine-ui |
| 23:08.48 | mhall | blondie: you can't have blondie without dagwood ;-) |
| 23:08.51 | CLucas916 | when i use apt-get to install a kernel i get this error '/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device' |
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| 23:08.53 | CLucas916 | im chrooted into the OS |
| 23:08.55 | Eulex | !tell beered about search |
| 23:09.03 | tiCo89 | is there a filemanager which can handle ACL's? |
| 23:09.05 | beered | SerajewelKS: ' Package xine-ui has no installation candidate |
| 23:09.05 | Eulex | !tell CLucas916 about repeat |
| 23:09.07 | blondie | mhall: can't I! |
| 23:09.16 | SerajewelKS | beered: are you on stable? |
| 23:09.20 | mhall | kspath: i had been reading my logs of the paste couple of days to see who was sending me some text in channel |
| 23:09.25 | gnufan | hlieberman: oops "cat /proc/mdstat" even... |
| 23:09.26 | mhall | kspath: and i ran across PINTO ... |
| 23:09.29 | mhall | kspath: ;-) |
| 23:09.31 | beered | SerajewelKS: no, I'm on testing |
| 23:09.39 | CLucas916 | Eulex, sorry but do u know how to fix it |
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| 23:09.50 | SerajewelKS | beered: yeah, i had the same problem. grab the stable .debs from somewhere and install those. |
| 23:10.11 | Eulex | CLucas916, sorry, I don't. never tried using debootstrap. |
| 23:10.20 | hlieberman | And will someone please tell me why 'eject' is considered an extra package? |
| 23:10.26 | CLucas916 | k |
| 23:10.34 | nixn00b | can you run KDE on debain etch? |
| 23:10.37 | beered | SerajewelKS: cool |
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| 23:10.49 | gnufan | hlieberman: not everyone had CD drives, or removal media... |
| 23:10.50 | SerajewelKS | hlieberman: because not everybody has a cdrom drive, and therefore doesn't need it? |
| 23:11.00 | hlieberman | gnufan, Ah.... that's interesting. |
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| 23:11.36 | hlieberman | gnufan, OK.... looks like it's booting to the second install |
| 23:11.57 | gnufan | hlieberman: you'll enter the Zen of Debian hardware - but only after you've tried installing Debian on an old style Mac, and destroyed a zillion floppy disks in the process.... |
| 23:12.27 | coolpix | gn8 |
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| 23:12.59 | beered | SerajewelKS: does xine requre gnome libs? I don't use Gnome. |
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| 23:13.03 | SerajewelKS | nixn00b: of course... |
| 23:13.11 | gnufan | nixn00b: yes -- Etch has KDE and GNOME and a zillion other window managers |
| 23:13.27 | gnufan | hlieberman: good luck... |
| 23:13.33 | SerajewelKS | beered: you probably have some of the gnome libs installed already |
| 23:13.34 | gnufan | Night all |
| 23:13.38 | hlieberman | gnufan, What is all this APIC errors? It didn't seem to stop anything, but... |
| 23:14.06 | nixn00b | cool :] |
| 23:14.22 | hlieberman | Wait... goes the progression go unstable -> testing -> stable, or testing -> unstable -> stable |
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| 23:14.39 | gravity | hlieberman: The former |
| 23:14.49 | just1primate | Hey guys...any idea why iptables is not in rcS.d on debian stable? |
| 23:14.54 | hlieberman | APIC error on CPUI0: 40(40) |
| 23:14.58 | hlieberman | What's all that mean? |
| 23:14.59 | BobDole | !apic |
| 23:14.59 | dpkg | methinks apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 23:15.05 | SerajewelKS | just1primate: because it's not a daemon |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | we should rename them ... broke ass shit -> supposed to work -> good to go |
| 23:15.28 | gravity | Nah, unstable is supposed to work |
| 23:15.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: isn't "ass shit" redundant? |
| 23:15.36 | just1primate | Ok.....I was given instructions for setting up ipmasq, and it states it should be there |
| 23:15.54 | just1primate | but that answers my question |
| 23:15.58 | abrotman | gravity: s/supposed to work/supposed to work betterer/ |
| 23:16.01 | SerajewelKS | just1primate: if you need to set iptables rules, you want to do it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:16.05 | BobDole | !tell just1primate about ipmasq |
| 23:16.14 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah :-) |
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| 23:17.20 | X3n0 | BobDole: I installed muttrc package to /usr/ what next? |
| 23:18.05 | mhall | SerajewelKS: it's more in the sense of broke-ass shit |
| 23:18.18 | BobDole | X3n0: Why did you install muttrc? |
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| 23:18.35 | hlieberman | Wow... this is trippy. |
| 23:18.55 | X3n0 | That what it said ot do on that site |
| 23:19.02 | X3n0 | http://www.backports.org/instructions.html |
| 23:19.30 | BobDole | X3n0: All you have to do is type the command I gave you. |
| 23:19.51 | BobDole | x3n0: echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg; |
| 23:19.51 | hlieberman | It's installing, but it keeps spitting out "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" again and again and again |
| 23:19.54 | X3n0 | BobDole: I'm sorry, what command was that again |
| 23:19.58 | BobDole | X3n0: type that command as root. |
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| 23:21.36 | X3n0 | Ok its doing nothing :/ |
| 23:21.37 | SerajewelKS | hlieberman: i've seen that happen on other boxen too.. don't know what causes it, but afaict it's harmless |
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| 23:22.16 | Edwin | http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/31473611/4205421 |
| 23:22.18 | Edwin | argh |
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| 23:23.13 | hlieberman | SerajewelKS, It's just during install, I hope |
| 23:23.15 | BobDole | X3n0: paste what you typed from the shell onto www.rafb.net/paste and click send and show me the link. |
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| 23:23.27 | SerajewelKS | hlieberman: not when i've seen it |
| 23:23.37 | hlieberman | SerajewelKS, Euu.... |
| 23:23.39 | kokkoo | hi, does a sarge net.install cd come with 2.6.X kernel? :) |
| 23:23.50 | SerajewelKS | kokkoo: it can, yes |
| 23:23.55 | dsherret | where is the file in debian to set my network connection settings, such as my ip address? (i want it to be static) |
| 23:23.57 | hlieberman | SerajewelKS, Is there a way to somehow mute it? |
| 23:23.59 | SerajewelKS | kokkoo: boot it as 'linux26' |
| 23:24.07 | BobDole | kokkoo: type "linux26" when the boot discs and you see the "boot:" prompt |
| 23:24.07 | SerajewelKS | hlieberman: probably, but i never cared enough to try |
| 23:24.10 | kokkoo | SerajewelKS : oo nice, let me try that :) |
| 23:24.17 | SerajewelKS | dsherret: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:24.29 | dsherret | SerajewelKS: thanks :) |
| 23:24.32 | kokkoo | SerajewelKS : maybe it will recognize my new nic :;P |
| 23:24.48 | SerajewelKS | kokkoo: worth a shot =) |
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| 23:26.10 | knight | hey guys trying to install debian now its trying to contact security.debian.org but it timing out |
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| 23:26.31 | knight | is there a way to skip the updates and do them after the install |
| 23:26.58 | zebalin7 | knight: just pick 'standard' on the task sel screen and un check all the others. |
| 23:27.22 | zebalin7 | I think a ctl-c will get you out of the wait. |
| 23:27.31 | kokkoo | SerajewelKS : well that e1000 will not recognize the nic im planning to use.. |
| 23:27.46 | zebalin7 | Make sure you install the apt tree or whatever they call it in the install. |
| 23:28.01 | zebalin7 | (I assume you are using the net-installer). |
| 23:28.21 | knight | was doing cd i have the first 6 going to try net install this time |
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| 23:28.43 | kokkoo | alltho the fedora core.4 installer seems to recognize it just fine.. (just did that for testing purposes only) - ill only go with debian :) |
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| 23:29.13 | hlieberman | Would ya'all recommend selecting testing or unstable? |
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| 23:29.31 | X3n0 | BobDole: Grah terminle closed, sorry, can you give me the command again? |
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| 23:30.33 | BobDole | x3n0: echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg; |
| 23:30.46 | X3n0 | w/ 'echo' or w/o it? |
| 23:30.53 | BobDole | with the echo, that's all one line. |
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| 23:31.06 | BobDole | X3n0: as root type that |
| 23:31.11 | bbrazil | hlieberman: if you have to ask that question, stable or testing |
| 23:31.32 | X3n0 | BobDole: Working now thx |
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| 23:32.04 | nixn00b | thanks guys :] |
| 23:32.07 | BobDole | X3n0: If you don't know an answer to one of the questions just hit enter, make sure you select "ati" when it asks you what driver, and not vesa. |
| 23:32.24 | kokkoo | SerajewelKS : are there any 'new' boot cd's around? cause neither linux26 or normal install is getting the nic to work. |
| 23:32.34 | X3n0 | Thank you bob! |
| 23:32.35 | SerajewelKS | kokkoo: not that i know of |
| 23:33.22 | BobDole | X3n0: once it's done restart X(or reboot if you don't know how to restart X), then 3d accel will work...start gaming. |
| 23:33.51 | beardy | tell maddoc -about 2006 key |
| 23:33.55 | starscalling | is there a setting somewhere both locally and on a remote ssh server on timeouts or a ping signal like the ftp pong or whatever? |
| 23:34.02 | starscalling | sometihng to keep the connection alive etc.... ? |
| 23:34.13 | bbrazil | starscalling: there's a keepalive setting |
| 23:34.26 | X3n0 | BobDole: How do I restart x? |
| 23:34.52 | beardy | !restart x |
| 23:34.52 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 23:35.03 | beardy | X3n0: ^^^ |
| 23:35.10 | BobDole | X3n0: I would type control alt backspace, then login as root and type "/etc/init.d/slim restart". X3n0 it depends if you startx or what login manager you use, ie gdm or kdm or xdm. |
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| 23:35.26 | X3n0 | Rebooting is easiesT? |
| 23:35.40 | beardy | X3n0: No. Don't. |
| 23:35.43 | knight | how do i stop it trying to dowload security updates at install |
| 23:35.45 | BobDole | X3n0: Do you use gdm or kdm? |
| 23:35.57 | X3n0 | BobDole: I dont know |
| 23:35.58 | BobDole | knight: type control and c |
| 23:36.08 | knight | yea its not doing anyything |
| 23:36.11 | BobDole | X3n0: as root type this. ps aux|grep -i dm |
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| 23:36.29 | BobDole | X3n0: What does that show you? |
| 23:36.48 | X3n0 | some lines of code lol |
| 23:36.58 | X3n0 | err:imagelist:ImageList_ReplaceIcon no color! |
| 23:36.58 | X3n0 | Application tries to create a window, but no driver could be loaded. |
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| 23:37.33 | starscalling | lol |
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| 23:42.23 | intero | is there a way to modify many /etc/alternatives? like if i want to swap from java 1.5 to 1.4, do i have to change all the symlinks or there's a smart way? |
| 23:42.25 | knight | guys i cant ctrl+c out of the security updates part of install and it cant connect to it |
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| 23:43.02 | knight | ahh dw it finnaly gave up trying |
| 23:43.17 | BobDole | lol |
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| 23:44.33 | kokkoo | ah thats more like it - a daily build of sarge net.install worked fine :P |
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| 23:45.59 | strider | intero: update-alternatives |
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| 23:47.09 | strider | intero: say for java, use update-alternatives --config java |
| 23:47.30 | intero | thanks alot strider |
| 23:47.36 | strider | yw |
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| 23:48.37 | Zrin | how to disallow one distinct user to log in (or execute commands) via ssh? |
| 23:49.00 | BobDole | Zrin: delete the user? |
| 23:49.09 | Zrin | (i want this user to just have ftp access) |
| 23:49.13 | BobDole | That's what I would do if I don't trust a user at least. |
| 23:49.14 | zptao | Zrin: reduced privileges |
| 23:49.37 | Zrin | it's for a scanner which sends scanned documents per ftp |
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| 23:50.57 | BobDole | dondelelcaro: You here? |
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| 23:51.40 | zebalin7 | Since debian packages is down, is there another way to find/see the change log for recently updated programs (in testing)? |
| 23:52.11 | BobDole | zebalin7: /usr/share/doc/program |
| 23:52.32 | zebalin7 | BobDole: I want to see changelog BEFORE I install the pgm. |
| 23:52.51 | Matt-H | zebalin7: I think there's a temporary replacement... /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 23:54.24 | BHSPitLappy | hello |
| 23:55.03 | BobDole | !greet BHSPitLappy |
| 23:55.03 | dpkg | Salutations, BHSPitLappy |
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| 23:55.09 | BHSPitLappy | nice |
| 23:55.36 | mfrisch | !ogle BHSPitLappy |
| 23:55.45 | BHSPitLappy | preparing to download a dvd image, why are there two? |
| 23:55.54 | BHSPitLappy | !defend body |
| 23:56.06 | Matt-H | BHSPitLappy: probably because it doesn't fit onto one |
| 23:56.16 | BobDole | BHSPitLappy: because debian is big...I recommend the net install |
| 23:56.19 | BobDole | !tell BHSPitLappy about d-i |
| 23:56.27 | BHSPitLappy | 2 dvd's...damn |
| 23:56.50 | Matt-H | BHSPitLappy: you're unlikely to use 95% of the packages anyway... |
| 23:56.59 | BobDole | BHSPitLappy: You can install as much as you want, 150 megs or 10 gigs. It's up to you...the dvds are just giving you the _choice) |
| 23:57.20 | strider | zebalin7: maybe have a look at apt-listchanges as well |
| 23:57.27 | BHSPitLappy | you'd think they'd leave most of the unnecessary stuff out of the installation media :P |
| 23:57.40 | zebalin7 | Matt-H: Thanks for the pdo info. However the changlog link on the package page gives a 404 not found. Damn. |
| 23:57.41 | BHSPitLappy | so it's probably best to go with the stable? |
| 23:58.01 | BHSPitLappy | the definition of unstable varies between projects :P |
| 23:58.06 | BobDole | BHSPitLappy: Is this a desktop or a production server? |
| 23:58.10 | BHSPitLappy | desktop |
| 23:58.17 | BobDole | BHSPitLappy: I would go with testing then. imho |
| 23:58.39 | BHSPitLappy | I plan to have a very minimal installation, and use it for pearpc |
| 23:58.49 | Matt-H | BHSPitLappy: if you've got a net connection to the box, use the netinst - 100MB iso then you just download whatever else you need from aptitude/your favourite package manager |
| 23:59.00 | BobDole | zebalin7: apt-get install apt-listchanges like strider said. |
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| 23:59.47 | BobDole | BHSPitLappy: definitely go with the net install/testing then. |
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| 23:59.54 | Matt-H | BHSPitLappy: or if not, the first of the CD isos contains what you're likely to need - maybe first two CDs |
