| 00:00.01 | BHSPitLappy | mmk |
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| 00:01.27 | BHSPitLappy | so... I want the net install "testing" cd? |
| 00:01.34 | BobDole | BHSPitLappy: correct |
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| 00:01.35 | BHSPitLappy | not the stable net install? :S |
| 00:01.36 | BHSPitLappy | ok |
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| 00:01.53 | zebalin7 | BobDole: thanks. I didn't see the message. I did find that if you go to the 'developer info' link on the pdo database side you can get some changelog info. |
| 00:03.50 | BHSPitLappy | hmm, the download page says 100mb but the file is 140 |
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| 00:04.35 | mfrisch | BHSPitLappy: i would use the stable cd then upgrade to testing. |
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| 00:04.44 | BHSPitLappy | :S |
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| 00:05.07 | ringo999 | which bittorrent client can you recommend for debian |
| 00:05.08 | BHSPitLappy | i'm 15% into the testing netinst cd download |
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| 00:05.24 | kspath | Anyone heard any news on/about debianplanet.org ? |
| 00:05.24 | mfrisch | unless you have special hardwaRE needs |
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| 00:07.41 | jrix | hello, I'm new to linux so please bear with me: I'm trying to run startx but can't because 'PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse"' does anyone know what's up? |
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| 00:08.25 | mfrisch | jrix: reconfigure x so it sees your mouse |
| 00:08.32 | beardy | jrix: Sounds like you didn't choose the correct mouse device, or mousetype. Reconfigure X. |
| 00:09.48 | vilane | can someone give me the package name for an X.org reconfigure for dpkg? |
| 00:09.57 | jrix | Do I need to go through the setup again? |
| 00:09.57 | dvs | !drxx vilane |
| 00:09.57 | dpkg | vilane: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:10.06 | vilane | ty |
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| 00:10.52 | beardy | jrix: Yes, what dpkg told vilane above. |
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| 00:11.17 | zptao | Jet Li gives me errections |
| 00:11.18 | jrix | lol I was already typing it |
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| 00:11.53 | knight | hey guys quick question on install it asks about libc-client should i install without maildir support??? |
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| 00:12.45 | kokkoo | hmm isnt lspci and lsmod part of the base system in sarge ? |
| 00:13.13 | knight | hey guys quick question on install it asks about libc-client should i install without maildir support??? |
| 00:13.29 | mfrisch | yes |
| 00:13.31 | strider | kokkoo: yes /bin/lspci |
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| 00:14.37 | kokkoo | strider : hehe, well its missing here when i ran daily build of net.install |
| 00:15.25 | Nigromante | has anyone updated the packages list? It seems they have removed cups from testing |
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| 00:16.19 | kokkoo | well seems like this is food for tommorow, good night guys :P |
| 00:16.26 | atrus | i have an issue in galeon where certain lines of text get squished by 1 or 2 rows of pixels when i scroll. is this a known issue? |
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| 00:18.49 | Nigromante | does anyone use seahorse? |
| 00:19.10 | zptao | yeah, to get to work |
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| 00:23.53 | kspath | abrotman: Have you read "Understanding Open Source and Free Software Licensing" ? |
| 00:24.28 | zptao | suddenly oss is all the rage |
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| 00:24.43 | kspath | Why suddenly? |
| 00:24.46 | h2theizzo | if i went from Ubuntu, to Debian,what would the benifit be? |
| 00:24.52 | zptao | in the free marktet, anyway |
| 00:25.05 | gnufan | Hehe - the retiring Windows 95 box managed to find its network card on the fifth attempt... Apparently you can export favourites straight to Netscape from IE, how handy, why do I think that wasn't an MS added feature ;) My partners two(!) books marks and 100's of email addresses now safely liberated..... All that remains is to find the right power cable for her new Debian box. |
| 00:25.10 | kspath | There is NOTHING free about the so-called Free Market. |
| 00:25.13 | Matt-H | h2theizzo: you'd get help from us instead of #ubuntu |
| 00:25.23 | h2theizzo | lol |
| 00:25.31 | h2theizzo | well my buntu has been kick azz |
| 00:25.43 | h2theizzo | i downloaded debian... and burned it to cd thinkin sometime i might install it |
| 00:25.45 | ringo999 | is there a way to have rhythmbox have use alsa? |
| 00:25.48 | zptao | there is if companies who pay millions for windows installations and tech support |
| 00:25.49 | kspath | !ubuntusmite h2theizzo |
| 00:25.51 | zptao | suddenly don't |
| 00:26.08 | h2theizzo | hah |
| 00:26.09 | h2theizzo | !enter |
| 00:26.09 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 00:26.48 | epsilon | can I check in bash, if variable $foo is an integer or not? |
| 00:26.50 | zptao | Proprietary software was the norm until the geniuses in upper management realized they could save so much |
| 00:26.52 | kspath | h2theizzo: very good, now go to pound butt-n-tua |
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| 00:27.12 | strider | ringo999: did you have any luck? |
| 00:27.12 | zptao | Why so H8 on ubuntu? |
| 00:27.33 | h2theizzo | yeah yeah dont be hatin |
| 00:27.38 | kspath | zptao: This is not #ubuntu. |
| 00:27.45 | dvs | !magic hate ball |
| 00:27.47 | h2theizzo | lol what was that show, malibus most wanted |
| 00:27.51 | zptao | kspath: i raelize that |
| 00:27.57 | Matt-H | kspath: # is "hash", not "pound". Pound looks a lot different |
| 00:28.07 | zptao | !magic hate ball |
| 00:28.07 | NickGarve1 | what do pounds look like? |
| 00:28.08 | gnufan | epsilon: you can mandate it be an integer -- checking is harder than making it so. Depends how you handle the error. |
| 00:28.14 | zptao | Yes! |
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| 00:28.37 | kspath | Matt-H: /me throws shillings hard and fast at Matt-H. |
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| 00:28.42 | h2theizzo | alrighty then thank u :P |
| 00:28.52 | Matt-H | kspath: yay free money! |
| 00:28.56 | zptao | throw some shillings at me too, i need money as well |
| 00:28.59 | zptao | ;[ |
| 00:29.26 | epsilon | gnufan: I want to check the input value from "./script $1" |
| 00:29.36 | kspath | I have shillings and crowns |
| 00:30.02 | zptao | i want some spanish galleons if you don't mind |
| 00:30.29 | ringo999 | strider: i did. the gstreamer-alsa plugin was missing |
| 00:30.34 | dvs | Too bad. ;-) |
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| 00:30.58 | gnufan | epsilon: try "typeset -i myint ; myint = $1 " something like that - see how that works or not |
| 00:31.36 | ringo999 | strider: also, skype is using the old oss. so you need an extra skript and use it with aoss if you want to have other sounds next to it. it works. finally. :D |
| 00:31.46 | epsilon | gnufan: ok, try to build sth in that way, thx |
| 00:31.57 | Matt-H | NickGarve1: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/images/five.jpg has a pound symbol in |
| 00:32.00 | ringo999 | strider: can you recommend a good bittorrent client for debian? |
| 00:32.10 | gnufan | Its like the units program here -- all these different currencies. |
| 00:32.11 | zptao | bittornado |
| 00:32.14 | dvs | ringo999: You STILL struggling with sound? |
| 00:32.23 | ringo999 | dvs: nah. finally figured it out. |
| 00:32.26 | zptao | ringo999: BITTORNADO! or uTorrent |
| 00:32.31 | dvs | ringo999: New kernel? |
| 00:32.57 | ringo999 | dvs: yeah using new kernal, but that wasnt the problem. all i had to do was install the gestreamer-alsa plugin |
| 00:33.16 | ringo999 | and alsa plugin for vlc |
| 00:33.16 | gnufan | You have: pounds |
| 00:33.16 | gnufan | You want: peso |
| 00:33.16 | gnufan | conformability error |
| 00:33.16 | gnufan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.16 | gnufan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:33.42 | ringo999 | dvs: however, there is no plugin for skype to use alsa. so you need a workaroudn with aoss |
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| 00:33.55 | just1primate | hey all |
| 00:33.56 | strider | ringo999: ringo999: i see, you had gstreamer0.8-oss instead |
| 00:33.57 | kspath | USA was supposed to be 100% metric decades ago |
| 00:34.06 | kspath | we are a joke |
| 00:34.09 | ringo999 | dvs: i found a script in my local newsgroup to get skype working |
| 00:34.10 | vilane | with a 2.6.8 kernel for i386, running sarge, where do i find the config file to edit my module loads with the kernel so that i can include evdev for my loaded modules at boot time? |
| 00:34.13 | dvs | !pal USA |
| 00:34.18 | Kizmet | kspath, yes yes you are! |
| 00:34.31 | kspath | Kizmet: Thank you! |
| 00:34.33 | ringo999 | strider: yeah, thats why alsa wasnt showing up in the gstreamer properties... |
| 00:34.37 | dvs | vilane: /etc/modules |
| 00:35.14 | ringo999 | strider: im still quite conufesed though how things work together, i understand alsa is the follow up to oss, but what exactly is gstreamer/esd/... |
| 00:35.15 | kspath | Kizmet: Yes, yes you are? I am not even sure that is right. No take this kg and stow it. |
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| 00:35.37 | ringo999 | dvs & strider which bit torrent client would you two recommned? |
| 00:35.46 | dvs | ringo999: qtorrent |
| 00:35.47 | ringo999 | s/recommned/recommend |
| 00:36.07 | ringo999 | dvs: is it gui based? |
| 00:36.17 | dvs | ringo999: Yes, but it's for KDE |
| 00:36.26 | ringo999 | dvs: then its not for me... |
| 00:36.32 | ringo999 | dvs: not using kde |
| 00:36.36 | strider | ringo999: azureus? |
| 00:36.43 | strider | need java though |
| 00:36.56 | ringo999 | strider: really, isnt there any better out there? |
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| 00:37.06 | ringo999 | strider: how about mldonkey? |
| 00:37.34 | sanmarcos | ringo999: try gift and then amule |
| 00:37.50 | ringo999 | sanmarcos: k |
| 00:37.50 | sanmarcos | gift supports fasttrack, openft, gnutella, etc (although not in debian for patent crap) |
| 00:37.53 | mattwestm | how do I install the packages over the internet? |
| 00:38.02 | noiesmo | x-org or xfree which is the preferred for debian |
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| 00:38.05 | mattwestm | just download CD1? |
| 00:38.12 | ringo999 | sanmarcos: but mldonkey does the same, doesnt it? |
| 00:38.25 | dvs | mattwestm: yup |
| 00:38.26 | sanmarcos | ringo999: amule just has a nicer gui |
| 00:38.35 | dvs | mattwestm: or netinstall CD |
| 00:38.36 | strider | ringo999: i guess it would depend on your need. MLDonkey is, i guess, an all-in-one |
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| 00:40.18 | ringo999 | strider true |
| 00:40.36 | ringo999 | strider: basically im just looking for something that works and doesnt take to much resources |
| 00:40.47 | ringo999 | strider: azureus eats a lot of ram |
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| 00:40.57 | x3n0 | bobdole; you still around? |
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| 00:42.45 | x3n0 | BobDole: hey uhm i did the update and rebooted and now i have no gui and x server doesnt start, the screen just stays black |
| 00:43.21 | x3n0 | can anyone help? |
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| 00:44.03 | knight | hey guys how do i change debian desktop from gnome to kde |
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| 00:44.23 | x3n0 | knight: before you login you have the option if you click aorund i forgot where but its there |
| 00:44.24 | SuN | Hi -- how does one turn off tcpd logging to syslog? |
| 00:44.33 | knight | ok kool i will have a look |
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| 00:45.25 | x3n0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.38 | dvs | !tell x3n0 -about repeat |
| 00:46.07 | afabian | I have run afould of the nohup bug in Linux 2.6 < 2.6.12. I notice that testing has 2.6.12. I'm running a purely sarge system now with a stock 2.6.8-686. Would there be any problems taking the kernel out of testing? I also have an nvidia card... and I occasionally use nfs-kernel-server... not exactly sure how to proceed or what kind of breakage to expect. |
| 00:46.29 | chaedaeX_ | x3n0: isn't that kind of redundant? |
| 00:46.37 | x3n0 | dvs: wasnt repeating was asking in general since bobdole who was helping me out before is afk |
| 00:46.46 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ what do you mean? |
| 00:46.56 | dvs | x3n0: Then you said "<x3n0> can anyone help?" |
| 00:47.08 | x3n0 | dvs: Ok |
| 00:47.11 | chaedaeX_ | " i have no gui and x server doesnt start, the screen just stays black" |
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| 00:47.41 | Coweater | x3n0: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 00:47.47 | zptao | rofl |
| 00:47.53 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ Either i have no gui or the display is messed up and/or x server isn't running correctly, i do not know what the exact problem is, if i hit ctrl alt f1 i can get into console tho but i think it is limited |
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| 00:48.03 | chaedaeX_ | x3n0: can i ask you a question? |
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| 00:48.15 | Coweater | you just did... |
| 00:48.23 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ Yes i am a noob chae |
| 00:48.44 | chaedaeX_ | x3n0: how do you think there could be a gui without the X server running? |
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| 00:48.58 | x3n0 | Coweater What am i looking for in the log file? |
| 00:49.01 | Coweater | is this really relevant? it's no use trolling him |
| 00:49.18 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:49.21 | knight | guys i wanna set my res to 1024x768 but i can only go to 800x600 according to the system any way to change that |
| 00:49.25 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ i do not know :/ like i said im telling you what is going on and when iam in the console and type x server it doesnt start |
| 00:49.27 | Amarande | this is weird. |
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| 00:49.48 | Coweater | x3n0: grep [EE] /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:49.55 | Lord_Athur | where are the files of the wiki documentation?, I use dokuwiki |
| 00:49.58 | chaedaeX_ | x3n0: you do not know how if the X server is running there could not be a gui? |
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| 00:50.08 | Amarande | When I build xchat 2.6.1 from source and install it in my home dir, I don't get the same right-click options with a URL as with the 2.4.5 debian version. |
| 00:50.27 | x3n0 | Coweater it gave qite a bit of info |
| 00:50.37 | Coweater | !paste |
| 00:50.37 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:50.54 | zptao | !pastebin |
| 00:50.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 00:51.08 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ I am a noobie i dont know what the true problem is I am giving out my best ideas with lack of knowledge. If i am wrong correct me, but dont speak to me as if i truly know what i am doing wrong please |
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| 00:51.26 | dvs | x3n0: Paste the entire log using pastebin.ca |
| 00:51.31 | chaedaeX_ | x3n0: i'm asking you honest questions. |
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| 00:51.40 | dvs | x3n0: Oh? You have no X. Sorry. |
| 00:51.42 | x3n0 | dvs: i do not have any internet connection on that system i'm on a diff system |
| 00:52.00 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ The way you are speaking to me seemed that way, sorry if it wasnt |
| 00:52.04 | dvs | x3n0: What does the last (EE) say in the log? |
| 00:52.13 | chaedaeX_ | x3n0: do you honestly think - without knowing what fishing pole is, what a river is, what a fishing line is, that someone here giving you fish will help you in any way? |
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| 00:52.21 | x3n0 | dvs: how can i 'scroll up' |
| 00:52.31 | x3n0 | dvs: i have alot of II and == and !! |
| 00:52.32 | dvs | x3n0: What are you using? less? |
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| 00:52.57 | x3n0 | dvs: I didnot type in 'less' i typed in grep [EE] /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:53.17 | hlieberman | What KDE are we up to nowadays? 3.7? |
| 00:53.23 | CoolCubix | hi all, i have a big bug, can someone help me ? |
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| 00:53.28 | Amarande | x3n0: (EE) not [EE] |
| 00:53.30 | Coweater | x3n0: my grep was bad, sorry ,try it without the brackets |
| 00:53.31 | dvs | x3n0: try grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less |
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| 00:54.11 | strider | less isn't installed by default. use more |
| 00:54.23 | sysdef | CoolCubix: first bug is: don't ask for ask. just ask! |
| 00:54.26 | dvs | strider: It should be! ;-) |
| 00:54.45 | x3n0 | (EE) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown |
| 00:54.55 | dvs | x3n0: Next one |
| 00:54.57 | strider | dvs: it wasn't for me. etch netinstall |
| 00:55.02 | x3n0 | dvs: thats all it gives |
| 00:55.04 | hlieberman | ls |
| 00:55.05 | Coweater | so it's not erroring |
| 00:55.10 | CoolCubix | okay it's a bug about gnome panel ; i have a button for the main menu with most applications, and when i click it, gnome-panel crashes |
| 00:55.20 | Coweater | probably bad refresh rate |
| 00:55.27 | CoolCubix | so i can't run applications from the menu anymore |
| 00:55.43 | gnufan | CoolCubix: when did this start? |
| 00:55.56 | CoolCubix | i've just installed a debian today |
| 00:56.04 | dvs | x3n0: Then it should have worked. Then the monitor frequnecies are probably not right. |
| 00:56.12 | CoolCubix | and the bug appears five minutes ago |
| 00:56.12 | chaedaeX_ | CoolCubix: that's classic. can you make an avi clip of it? |
| 00:56.16 | x3n0 | dvs: How can i change hte frequency? |
| 00:56.25 | Coweater | x3n0: can you get the Display Section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf up on a pastebin? and what monitor do you have? |
| 00:56.32 | dvs | x3n0: Do you know what the right ones are? |
| 00:56.41 | x3n0 | dvs: laptop 15" |
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| 00:56.59 | x3n0 | dvs: 60hz |
| 00:57.02 | gnufan | CoolCubix: which release? |
| 00:57.02 | dvs | x3n0: I take that as a "no" |
| 00:57.02 | Coweater | oh that's easier |
| 00:57.03 | CoolCubix | uh... i don't know how to do it. this distrubution is not the way i like yet, i've just installed, and i never know about making avi movies of my desktop :S |
| 00:57.17 | CoolCubix | debian sarge stable |
| 00:57.22 | chaedaeX_ | CoolCubix: digicam? |
| 00:57.30 | x3n0 | Coweater no |
| 00:57.37 | CoolCubix | no |
| 00:57.46 | x3n0 | dvs: ? |
| 00:57.54 | hlieberman | Hmm.... what version of KDE is in the unstable repo? |
| 00:57.59 | ringo999 | strider: i still have a problem with the sound now that i switched to alsa. whenever i switch a window or workspace the sound breaks. why is that? |
| 00:58.07 | chaedaeX_ | CoolCubix: :-( i would love to see a clip of gnome panel crashing when the menu icon is clicked |
| 00:58.15 | dvs | x3n0: There is a range of horizontal frequencies and vertical frequences. |
| 00:58.21 | King_Brad | is there a console command to search for a file? or files location? |
| 00:58.32 | x3n0 | dvs: I am in the xorg.conf and i see them |
| 00:58.34 | Coweater | King_Brad: locate, find |
| 00:58.35 | strider | ringo999: do you have gnome-audio installed? |
| 00:58.35 | chaedaeX_ | CoolCubix: it should go into some sort of archive |
| 00:58.45 | gnufan | King_Brad: lots - what sort of file you looking for as some are quicker than others. |
| 00:58.51 | CoolCubix | if you want more details, i can tell you that the buttons keeps down for a couple of seconds, and a message box appears to tell me that gnome-panel has just crashed |
| 00:58.59 | dvs | x3n0: But are they right for your computer? |
| 00:59.06 | King_Brad | i am trying to find out where this program i just installed when too |
| 00:59.07 | strider | ringo999: breaks as in? |
| 00:59.20 | x3n0 | dvs: I dont know... What is a way to find out? they look low imo |
| 00:59.30 | CoolCubix | the last time i saw my main menu opened, it wasn't normal |
| 00:59.33 | dvs | x3n0: The technical specifications in the manual |
| 00:59.38 | CoolCubix | some icons had disappeared |
| 00:59.39 | x3n0 | dvs: under monitor it is : horizsyn 30-65 vert refresh 50-75 |
| 00:59.46 | gnufan | King_Brad: you can use type - but usually "dpkg -l <packagename>" does the business |
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| 00:59.53 | CoolCubix | and then it keeps crashing |
| 00:59.58 | ringo999 | strider: i do now |
| 01:00.03 | dvs | x3n0: Actually, that looks reasonable |
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| 01:00.08 | Coweater | change the vert refresh to be just 60 |
| 01:00.09 | x3n0 | dvs: what if iput them both to 60? |
| 01:00.14 | dvs | x3n0: NO!!!! |
| 01:00.29 | strider | ringo999: ah no, that's not actually needed |
| 01:00.29 | ringo999 | strider: well, it looks like the alsa process needs a higher priority or something |
| 01:00.40 | ringo999 | oh well |
| 01:00.55 | Coweater | x3n0: just change the vert refresh and try it |
| 01:01.01 | gnufan | CoolCubix: you aren't out of disk space are you? |
| 01:01.06 | x3n0 | Coweater it says it is a read only file system |
| 01:01.16 | CoolCubix | no no |
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| 01:01.19 | Coweater | edit it as root |
| 01:01.40 | dvs | Coweater: Don't just go changing stuff like that until you're sure. |
| 01:01.43 | x3n0 | my command line is (none):/etc/X11# |
| 01:01.45 | strider | ringo999: get libesd-alsa0 as well |
| 01:01.49 | King_Brad | dpkg -r <filename> will uninstall the .deb package i installed eairler right? |
| 01:01.51 | CoolCubix | argggg |
| 01:01.56 | CoolCubix | nautilus crashes too |
| 01:02.09 | CoolCubix | when launching nautilus it crashed |
| 01:02.40 | x3n0 | Coweater isn't that root? |
| 01:02.44 | Coweater | yes |
| 01:02.48 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: what if you a minimalist window-manager like openbox, then manually run gnome-panel from a terminal and watch for error output when it crashes? |
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| 01:02.52 | CoolCubix | and no message on stderr when i try to launch it from a terminal |
| 01:02.59 | x3n0 | Coweater what does it mean when it is sitll in the read only? |
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| 01:03.28 | mhall | CoolCubix: what kind of cow? |
| 01:03.28 | Coweater | that's odd, as root you should have write access to it |
| 01:03.39 | ringo999 | strider and now? |
| 01:03.40 | x3n0 | Coweater i think im in some kind of safe mode |
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| 01:03.52 | x3n0 | and is ther a chmod thing to add? |
| 01:03.53 | ringo999 | strider: scrolling the window really fast does the samething |
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| 01:04.03 | CoolCubix | i'm gonna try something to get stderr |
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| 01:04.31 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: beyond that there's strace... |
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| 01:04.58 | hlieberman | Isn't apt secure automatically installed now? |
| 01:05.16 | CoolCubix | nothing on stderr |
| 01:05.36 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: try the same as above under openbox, but run "strace -s 128 -o /tmp/strace.out -f gnome-panel" from the terminal |
| 01:05.52 | CoolCubix | how do you run openbox ? |
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| 01:06.03 | jrwr | hwats the best way to view my cpu temp |
| 01:06.05 | x3n0 | i was in the middle of changing from xfree86 to xorg actually and this happened after i rebooted |
| 01:06.05 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: are you running a *dm? |
| 01:06.09 | Nino | Hey, guys. a few months ago I set up my debian box to be a DHCP server and things were going well, until I looked at my syslog file. It has DHCPREQUEST and DHCPACK entried every 30 seconds. |
| 01:06.10 | CoolCubix | gdm i think |
| 01:06.41 | Nino | I googled for it and found others with the same problem but havent found a solution. |
| 01:06.41 | ringo999 | strider: ? |
| 01:06.47 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: for the time being i would /etc/init.d/gdm stop then create ~/.xsession with the following in it: openbox also apt-get install openbox |
| 01:07.09 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: actually that should be "exec openbox" |
| 01:07.21 | chaedaeX__ | CoolCubix: then "startx" |
| 01:07.54 | CoolCubix | before all i'm gonna reboot because i made so much things... even if it does nothing |
| 01:07.55 | vilane | how can i kill a gdm process from command line? i had a problem with my xconfig, now i cant launch gdm again because it is already running |
| 01:07.57 | x3n0 | can anyone help me? Coweater did you head out? |
| 01:08.02 | CoolCubix | i come back in few minutes |
| 01:08.11 | Coweater | x3n0: you can chmod u+w xorg.conf |
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| 01:08.45 | x3n0 | can anyone help me? Coweater did you head out? |
| 01:08.45 | chaedaeX__ | Coweater: why do you have him manually editing xorg.conf? |
| 01:08.47 | x3n0 | er |
| 01:08.57 | x3n0 | er |
| 01:08.59 | x3n0 | asgkfdjaslkfdj |
| 01:09.03 | x3n0 | Coweater Where is xorg.conf? |
| 01:09.14 | Coweater | because you're not helping him, and that's how i know to do it |
| 01:09.15 | x3n0 | (Stupid 1/2 size keyboard) |
| 01:09.21 | Coweater | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:09.22 | chaedaeX__ | Coweater: you're a moron |
| 01:09.27 | Coweater | thanks |
| 01:09.40 | chaedaeX__ | Coweater: you're welcome. that's not how to do it in debian |
| 01:09.46 | Coweater | you're welcome to help |
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| 01:10.22 | Nino | does anyone else have entries every 30 seconds in their /var/log/syslog ?? |
| 01:10.24 | chaedaeX__ | Coweater: you should run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and why is he running xorg? what distro is he using? |
| 01:10.40 | x3n0 | Coweater still has same probme |
| 01:10.46 | x3n0 | debian 3.1 sarge |
| 01:10.52 | Coweater | why the fuck are you asking me, ask him if you want to help him |
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| 01:11.00 | x3n0 | but i want to ave 3d acceleration with my ati 8500 mobility on my laptop |
| 01:11.12 | x3n0 | Coweater still has same problem with read only |
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| 01:11.43 | chaedaeX__ | Coweater: if you manually edit xorg.conf it will mess up the md5 and you can't run dpkg-reconfigure anymore |
| 01:11.43 | jrwr | What is the best way to see my cpu temp |
| 01:12.06 | chaedaeX__ | x3n0: did you install a backport of xorg? |
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| 01:12.14 | x3n0 | chaedaeX_ yes |
| 01:12.23 | oklinux | where can I download java deb package ? |
| 01:12.30 | gnufan | jrwr: see debian-administration.org for a couple fo article on hardware monitoring... Steves comments on thermal, and mine on ipmi.... |
| 01:12.36 | strider | ringo999: ah, dunno. again you could check the net for some additions for your soundcard to .asoundrc |
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| 01:12.57 | x3n0 | is there a way to boot debian into console only without having a read-only file system? booting into recovery mode goes to ablack screen |
| 01:13.20 | ringo999 | strider: i think i know what it is then |
| 01:13.23 | procrastinator | Does anyone have experience with connection from GNU/Linux through IR to PocketPC (ie. this document: http://tuxmobil.org/Infrared-HOWTO/infrared-howto-s-pocketpc-connection.html) |
| 01:13.28 | procrastinator | ? |
| 01:13.32 | Coweater | x3n0: you should be able to switch to console with ctrl-alt-f1 from the black screen |
| 01:13.42 | x3n0 | Coweater let me try |
| 01:13.46 | harfooz | hi all. I have just now finished getting a fresh etch install here (was using Sarge). I have menu installed,but it's not visible in my Gnome menu. |
| 01:13.47 | BobDole | !tell procrastinator about debian-ppc |
| 01:13.50 | fantomas | Hi. What is fontconfig? I'm confused with all this stuff... xfs, xfstt, xft... |
| 01:14.00 | harfooz | Is there something happening with etch and the Debian menu? |
| 01:14.02 | Coweater | anyhow run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and do it that way i guess since my way is "wrong" |
| 01:14.04 | BobDole | !tell fantomas about fontconfig |
| 01:14.04 | x3n0 | BobDOle: =d the system dun work anymore bob! |
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| 01:14.38 | hlieberman | !tell hlieberman about kde |
| 01:14.40 | BobDole | x3n0: type control alt f2 all at the same time, then login as root and type this "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" then select vesa instead of ati as the driver, then reboot. |
| 01:14.54 | systemadmin | anyone get working intel pro wireless working in debian on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:15.11 | x3n0 | BobDole i'll do that |
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| 01:15.17 | strider | systemadmin: ipw2200 here |
| 01:15.41 | systemadmin | strider : i have been banging my head out trying to get this workign or even built |
| 01:15.43 | x3n0 | BobDole when should i hit ctrl alt f2? |
| 01:15.44 | procrastinator | BobDole: Indeed. Though it's not my device, so I don't think I have the guts. |
| 01:15.56 | BobDole | systemadmin: /join #ipw2200 |
| 01:16.07 | BobDole | !tell systemadmin about ipw2200 |
| 01:16.21 | BobDole | x3n0: now if your system is on |
| 01:16.24 | fantomas | BobDole: sorry, not much help |
| 01:16.25 | strider | it's #ipw2100 |
| 01:16.41 | x3n0 | BobDole It appears tht it is not doing anything... |
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| 01:16.53 | BobDole | fantomas: You asked me what it was...I gave you a link to the website of what it is. What more can I do? |
| 01:17.03 | chaedaeX__ | does anyone know how to detect the size of a reiserfs filesystem which i just shrunk on an LVM LV? |
| 01:17.19 | hlieberman | What can I do about kde? I'm using unstable repos, but for some reason am still at the old KDE? |
| 01:17.40 | BobDole | fantomas: The first sentence on the link dpkg gave you is "Fontconfig is a library for font customization and configuration." and your question was "20:13 < fantomas> Hi. What is fontconfig? I'm confused with all this stuff... xfs, xfstt, xft..." |
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| 01:17.46 | BobDole | !tell fantomas about ask |
| 01:17.48 | x3n0 | BobDole want me to just hit ctrl alt f2 and do blind commands? |
| 01:17.49 | harfooz | Anybody using etch here that can verify if the Debian menu is (or is not) present in Gnome? |
| 01:18.00 | odla | harfooz: it is |
| 01:18.09 | BobDole | x3n0: You should have a virtual terminal in front of you. |
| 01:18.21 | x3n0 | BobDole screen is still blank, no change, no terminal |
| 01:18.23 | BobDole | chaedaeX__: type df -h? |
| 01:18.26 | harfooz | odla, did you have do anything to get it there beyond apt-get install menu? |
| 01:18.39 | fantomas | BobDole: notice the last part of a question. xfs, xfstt, xft. These things are related to something |
| 01:18.40 | chaedaeX__ | BobDole: that only works if its mounted |
| 01:18.43 | BobDole | x3n0: Your system is on, and when you type control alt f2, at the same time..you don't get a login prompt? |
| 01:18.51 | BobDole | chaedaeX__: fdisk -l as root |
| 01:18.52 | Nurbs | mhm, are there any known issues with broken directories with x.org on unstable? :) |
| 01:18.54 | x3n0 | BobDole Correct |
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| 01:19.31 | BobDole | fantomas: You are just listing words...you aren't forming a question/sentence with those words, it makes it increasingly difficult to help you if you don't elaborate, that's why dpkg told you about ask, /msg dpkg ask |
| 01:19.36 | chaedaeX__ | BobDole: that only shows the LVM VG partition even if it were to show the LV inside the VG that still wouldn't give the size of the reierfs inside the LV |
| 01:19.51 | BobDole | chaedaeX__: sorry no idea, I never resized a partition. |
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| 01:20.06 | fantomas | BobDole: ok, I know. Now comes the LAST KEY FUCKING WORKD: I AM FUCKING CONFUSED |
| 01:20.09 | BobDole | chaedaeX__: maybe qtparted? |
| 01:20.13 | chaedaeX__ | BobDole: its not a partiion |
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| 01:20.26 | x3n0 | BobDole Correct, no login or anything, screen remains black. |
| 01:20.30 | BobDole | fantomas: You still haven't asked a question. What are you trying to do? |
| 01:20.33 | BobDole | !tell fantomas about ask |
| 01:20.45 | MrObvious | Hi. Is there a way I can get Debian through a net install? I currently use Mandriva and am gonna use qemu to try it. |
| 01:20.47 | fantomas | BobDole: well. The real problem is with TTFs |
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| 01:20.58 | oklinux | bot info java |
| 01:21.05 | fantomas | BobDole: I tried to use xfstt but system become unstable |
| 01:21.14 | BobDole | oklinux: /msg dpkg java or /msg dpkg java-package |
| 01:21.19 | BobDole | !tell oklinux about msgdpkg |
| 01:21.19 | CoolCubix | a reboot and my main menu with gnome-panel works |
| 01:21.32 | MrObvious | !tell MrObvious about netinstall |
| 01:21.38 | zinx | fantomas: ttf support is provided by freetype these days |
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| 01:21.44 | MrObvious | Heh, figured it out. |
| 01:21.47 | BobDole | MrObvious: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 01:21.56 | zinx | fantomas: which is enabled by default in the standard debian server config |
| 01:22.01 | fantomas | BobDole: ppl said there is another/new way to work with this stuff. They say something about xft/fontconfig. I simply would like to read more about it but can't find proper documentation |
| 01:22.08 | x3n0 | zinx: =o |
| 01:22.08 | zinx | fantomas: (well, you can choose xtt too, but that's also builtin) |
| 01:22.15 | systemadmin | !tell systemadmin about contrib |
| 01:22.25 | MrObvious | Do I want Deb. Sarge or what? |
| 01:22.31 | BobDole | fantomas: http://fontconfig.org/fontconfig-user.html |
| 01:22.33 | x3n0 | Sarge = stanble |
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| 01:22.38 | x3n0 | -n |
| 01:22.47 | swatikiss | when i modprobe nvidia , i get an error: "NVRM: No Nvidia graphics adapter found!" and "error inserting nvidia" |
| 01:22.57 | MrObvious | Oh, so etch would be like Mandriva's cooker? |
| 01:23.14 | MrObvious | Ok I'll try it. |
| 01:23.15 | fantomas | BobDole: ok, forget it. (aren't you a robot? ;) |
| 01:23.17 | systemadmin | BobDole, how do i get contrib for apt sources? |
| 01:23.21 | x3n0 | zinx & BobDole So when i get to have my system up and running, oit will boot up and havethe normal checkoff text going and then it goes into a black screen. I cant even hit alt ctrl f2 and nothing comes up, what should i do now? |
| 01:24.01 | strider | systemadmin: add contrib after main |
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| 01:25.11 | BobDole | systemadmin: yourfavoritetexteditor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:25.24 | BobDole | !tell systemadmin about contrib |
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| 01:26.14 | eternaljoy | hello |
| 01:26.16 | eternaljoy | ever since I upgraded to firefox 1.5, when im browsing on websites, the whole page sometimes turns into an flash advertisement! HOW CAN I stop this please anyone? |
| 01:26.21 | eternaljoy | this never happened in older firefox |
| 01:26.22 | BobDole | !tell MrObvious about nvidia one liner |
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| 01:26.45 | BobDole | eternaljoy: server irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 01:26.48 | MrObvious | BobDole: What was that for? |
| 01:26.50 | x3n0 | BobDole: any input? |
| 01:27.41 | cindy | is it a big deal to get the sound to work with Realplayer? |
| 01:28.01 | obscuresoul | does anyone knows a good howto to configure debian? i've installed debian-installer... |
| 01:28.03 | x3n0 | zinx: any thoughts? |
| 01:28.10 | ringo999 | how can i install the java JRE? |
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| 01:28.13 | zinx | x3n0: ney |
| 01:28.25 | zinx | x3n0: sounds like the drivers aren't set up terribly well |
| 01:28.38 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:28.39 | Amarande | this is a little odd |
| 01:28.40 | ringo999 | i installed the sdk thinking it would be included |
| 01:28.45 | x3n0 | zinx: i was doing a backports xorg upgrade and rebooted and it now has a black screen |
| 01:28.47 | Amarande | ever since I installed the truetype fonts for wine |
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| 01:28.59 | ringo999 | apt-cache search jre only shows me "kaffe" |
| 01:29.06 | Amarande | my firefox has gone from using the nice looking usual X fonts to MSsy ones |
| 01:29.13 | strider | !tell ringo999 about java-package |
| 01:29.13 | Amarande | how do I get firefox to use the old fonts again? |
| 01:29.26 | fantomas | zinx: I've installed both freetype1 and freetype2. Are they replacement of xfs or xfstt? |
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| 01:29.41 | fantomas | zinx: s/of/for/ |
| 01:29.43 | Amarande | does the wine truetype fonts package replace the fonts that came with X? |
| 01:29.56 | Amarande | or is there some way to configure it to use those nice helvetica and times fonts again? |
| 01:30.04 | zinx | fantomas: you shouldn't have to install them |
| 01:30.21 | zinx | fantomas: the X server has a "freetype" module, which you can't choose to not install |
| 01:30.22 | fantomas | zinx: font servers? |
| 01:30.26 | Azar | obscuresoul: first upgrade the kernel to 2.6.8 if you installed with 2.4.27. groom your apt sources to reflect / stable main non-free contrib at the end of each.. see if you have X installed, if not install it, then get your video driver == manuals here: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 01:30.32 | zinx | fantomas: and xfs is also compiled with freetype support |
| 01:30.44 | zinx | fantomas: the X server itself can serve fonts |
| 01:30.55 | zinx | fantomas: you can -choose- to use xfs if you want |
| 01:31.06 | zinx | fantomas: just use a default config, and ttfs should work |
| 01:31.23 | Amarande | I don't recall it saying any packages were REMOVED when I installed the truetype fonts for wine |
| 01:31.28 | zinx | fantomas: there are quite a few available in debian's repositories even |
| 01:31.33 | Azar | obscuresoul: start with APT HOWTO first |
| 01:31.36 | Amarande | but for some reason I can't find the old fonts at all in the list Firefox allows me to choose from |
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| 01:32.17 | obscuresoul | Azar, ok thank you :) |
| 01:32.27 | eternaljoy | how do I remove flash from firefox? |
| 01:32.45 | Azar | eternaljoy: look for a firefox channel, this is #debian |
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| 01:33.49 | x3n0 | BobDole: is there a way to undo the xorg backport upgrade? |
| 01:34.01 | fantomas | zinx: do I need some preparation steps to get ttfs avaliable to X? like mkttfdir or something? |
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| 01:34.45 | dondelelcaro | BobDole: ? |
| 01:35.30 | CoolCubix | what time is it for you ? |
| 01:35.54 | x3n0 | Where do i find a video card's bus identifier? |
| 01:36.07 | dondelelcaro | x3n0: lspci will tell you; you shouldn't really need to know that though. |
| 01:36.14 | Azar | x3n0: you do not need to fill that field leave blank |
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| 01:36.45 | Tortel | k |
| 01:36.45 | Amarande | or more specifically |
| 01:36.47 | Tortel | laladedo |
| 01:36.56 | Amarande | once you install msttcorefonts, is there a way to get firefox to use OTHER fonts by default than the MS ones? |
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| 01:37.24 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: last time I checked it had a set of font configuration options |
| 01:37.36 | zinx | fantomas: if the TTF you're looking for isn't available in the repository, you'll need to learn how to work with defoma or fontconfig or whatever the heck the latest debian way to manage fonts is |
| 01:37.43 | zinx | fantomas: i can't help you with that :) |
| 01:37.58 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: which option would I select to get it to go back to the fonts it used to use? |
| 01:37.59 | x3n0 | so i did dpkg reinstall |
| 01:38.06 | Tortel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.11 | Tortel | i didnt have to reconnect |
| 01:38.12 | BobDole | dondelelcaro: How do I do something with the bot like why is blah not in testing? with variables and such? |
| 01:38.20 | Tortel | even though I was unplugged |
| 01:38.38 | maxb | clamav-freshclam seems to be mysteriously missing files from the amd64 package (specifically the init script) |
| 01:38.39 | BobDole | x3n0: Just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select "vesa" as the driver, type this as root from any terminal. |
| 01:39.03 | x3n0 | i didn't get that far thru the install before it gave me alot of new options so i went thru it again with hte ati drifvers and if it doesnt work thne i'll d othe vesa drivers :d |
| 01:39.07 | iciclebox | !xorg vs xfree86 |
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| 01:39.33 | x3n0 | if it says kill" no such process and stops scrolling should i hit the power? |
| 01:39.45 | dondelelcaro | !+literal cmd: why (.*?) is not in testing |
| 01:39.45 | dpkg | "#debian cmd: why (.*?) is not in testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1" |
| 01:40.13 | ringo999 | apt-get wont find java-package...why is that? |
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| 01:40.38 | vyrus001 | anybody mees with the awll3026 on debian? i got the thing installed but when i access the device at all my keybord stops working untill i unplug it? |
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| 01:41.08 | fantomas | zinx: thanks |
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| 01:41.38 | Azar | ringo999: /msg dpkg java |
| 01:42.00 | BobDole | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 01:42.50 | iciclebox | why do I have apt-get telling me that discover depends on libdiscover but it will not be installed? |
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| 01:43.12 | jharrison | iciclebox: because there is a dependancy problem probably |
| 01:43.18 | Amarande | dangit, you'd think debian wouldn't favor the microsoft fonts over the regular debian ones :) |
| 01:43.19 | jharrison | iciclebox: are you running sid? |
| 01:43.24 | iciclebox | no, sarge |
| 01:43.43 | jharrison | iciclebox: strange |
| 01:43.45 | Amarande | when I purge msttcorefonts, I end up with the old fonts again |
| 01:43.46 | iciclebox | I thought apt-get would get all the required dependencies |
| 01:43.49 | strider | iciclebox: there shouldn't be a problem then |
| 01:44.03 | jmteal | does anyone know how to hide my local ip on the network... when i try to connect to a bot i have i cant auth cause my irc address is different from my dns |
| 01:44.07 | Amarande | when you install that package, though, it seems that the ms fonts become the default serif and sans serif fonts for Firefox |
| 01:44.35 | jharrison | jmteal: that does not really make sense |
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| 01:44.45 | jharrison | jmteal: what kind of network setup do you have? |
| 01:44.55 | iciclebox | oh, I think I solved it |
| 01:44.57 | jmteal | linksys router |
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| 01:45.14 | x3n0 | rawr the ati drivers didnt work so gona try vesa now.... |
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| 01:45.19 | jharrison | jmteal: so you mean that your irc bot sees your public ip but you have a private ip on your box? |
| 01:46.01 | jmteal | opposite... it sees my wan IP on the server, but when it tries to verify my dns, it gets 192.168.1.110 |
| 01:46.11 | jharrison | jmteal: your linksys box has 24.98.200.211 but your computer has 192.168.1.100 or some such? |
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| 01:46.19 | jmteal | yeah |
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| 01:46.34 | jharrison | jmteal: and the bot is on the internet? |
| 01:46.43 | jmteal | and my deb box ruuning the bot is 192.168.1.125 |
| 01:46.46 | jmteal | yeah |
| 01:46.48 | jmteal | on efnet |
| 01:47.00 | jharrison | jmteal: so the bot is local on your network? |
| 01:47.07 | jharrison | jmteal: or off in some other location |
| 01:47.15 | jmteal | the bot is local |
| 01:47.24 | jmteal | but it is on the net |
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| 01:47.30 | ozrg | when I try booting the installation cd it says 'search for USB HDD devices' and doesnt do anything else |
| 01:47.32 | jmteal | and i'm trying to auth over the net |
| 01:47.32 | jharrison | jmteal: so whats the problem? |
| 01:47.38 | x3n0 | rawr the ati drivers didnt work so gona try vesa now....? |
| 01:47.42 | x3n0 | How bad is it to just turn off the power while debian is running? |
| 01:47.45 | jmteal | but it's seeing my local IP and denying me access |
| 01:47.58 | jharrison | x3n0: depends on the file system I guess |
| 01:48.08 | vptkxtx | hi, when i start my computer, gdm automatically starts but i want to use console. i tried dpkg-reconfigure xdm but there is just 2 options; xdm and gdm. i just want to use console. what should i do |
| 01:48.13 | jharrison | jmteal: does what you are doing require a port open to your debian box? |
| 01:48.34 | jmteal | the bot? i don't think so... |
| 01:48.40 | jmteal | it connects with dcc chat |
| 01:49.01 | jharrison | vptkxtx: you can just do update-rc.d -f xdm remove and update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 01:49.12 | jjazz | vptkxtx: You want to use the console always, or just right now? |
| 01:49.34 | jharrison | jmteal: right but your bot is online on efnet and youa re on efnet trying to dcc chat and control your bot right? |
| 01:49.35 | jjazz | vptkxtx: If you just want to use if for the moment, cntrl-alt-F1 will get you a console. |
| 01:49.41 | jmteal | yes |
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| 01:49.52 | vptkxtx | jjazz: i want to use it always |
| 01:50.02 | jjazz | vptkxtx: Then take jharrison's advice. |
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| 01:50.28 | x3n0 | what would that do? |
| 01:50.34 | jharrison | jmteal: so the bot sees your public ip and says forget it? |
| 01:50.35 | vptkxtx | ok i will try it |
| 01:50.37 | vptkxtx | tnx |
| 01:50.39 | jmteal | if i put the output of the bot to console, it tells me ALERT! something about how my hostname doesn't match my dns lookup |
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| 01:51.03 | jharrison | jmteal: why is your bot using dns? |
| 01:51.07 | x3n0 | jharrison what would update-rc.d -f xdm remove and update-rc.d -f gdm remove do? |
| 01:51.24 | venezuelan | hi |
| 01:51.25 | jmteal | i mean.. i guess i could turn that off... |
| 01:51.33 | jharrison | x3n0: i would remove the symlinks from the runlevel directories stopping xdm and gdm from starting up at boot time |
| 01:51.42 | jharrison | x3n0: s/i/it |
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| 01:51.52 | x3n0 | jharrison would that leave you at a console? |
| 01:52.15 | jharrison | jmteal: I dont recall much about bots but when I did use them I used ip not dns |
| 01:52.25 | jharrison | x3n0: when you boot up it would |
| 01:52.41 | jmteal | k |
| 01:53.06 | x3n0 | jharrison and to get into kde or gdm you would just run startkde right? |
| 01:53.07 | jmteal | thought it might be more secure or whatever... but if i can't administer from here, kinda worthless |
| 01:53.10 | jharrison | jmteal: either that or you should read the bot's documentaiton and figure out how to make dns work through a NAT device like your linksys |
| 01:53.11 | jmteal | thx tho |
| 01:53.27 | jmteal | easier to turn it off |
| 01:53.31 | foo | err, what good torrent GUI do you guys recommend? bittorent-gui is either sucks or it's just me |
| 01:53.40 | jharrison | x3n0: well yes or startx and have a ~/.xsession file that says to start kde or gnome |
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| 01:53.57 | jharrison | x3n0: or /etc/init.d/kdm start or /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 01:54.12 | ozrg | hi all |
| 01:54.42 | jharrison | foo: I like bittornado |
| 01:54.47 | foo | jharrison: ah, thanks |
| 01:55.05 | ozrg | who's the coder of bittornado? |
| 01:55.53 | foo | ozrg: apt-cache show bittornado |
| 01:56.00 | jharrison | ozrg: my mother's, first cousin twice removed |
| 01:56.19 | herbi | this might sound strange |
| 01:56.23 | herbi | but does anyone here speak spanish |
| 01:56.25 | threat | morning |
| 01:56.30 | jjazz | !es |
| 01:56.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:56.46 | strider | ringo999: got java installed then? |
| 01:56.57 | x3n0 | jharrison ty |
| 01:57.07 | jharrison | x3n0: welcome |
| 01:57.09 | bleenshaker | herbi: as if you need it :) .. lo herbixxen! |
| 01:57.11 | bleenshaker | ltns |
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| 01:57.43 | herbi | bleenshaker, i dont think i know you |
| 01:58.13 | bleenshaker | lxnx.. i think you might :) |
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| 01:58.38 | jharrison | ozrg: someone named the shadow is the coder it would seem |
| 01:58.39 | herbi | no |
| 01:58.44 | herbi | unless you had another nick |
| 01:58.53 | ozrg | shadow rocks! |
| 01:58.54 | bleenshaker | i always do |
| 01:59.10 | jharrison | ozrg: yes I would say so |
| 01:59.37 | bleenshaker | herbi: the cr.. dude always making those frontends |
| 01:59.50 | ozrg | has debian got a good GUI |
| 01:59.51 | ozrg | ? |
| 01:59.56 | jharrison | ozrg: gui? |
| 02:00.02 | jharrison | ozrg: gui for what? |
| 02:00.24 | bleenshaker | herbi: making a decent gui for samba atm |
| 02:00.36 | bleenshaker | the server |
| 02:00.49 | ozrg | i mean a good interface? |
| 02:00.54 | jharrison | ozrg: for what? |
| 02:01.02 | jharrison | ozrg: like a desktop? |
| 02:01.07 | ringo999 | strider: naw apt-get cant find the java-package |
| 02:01.07 | ozrg | yes exactly |
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| 02:01.11 | herbi | bleenshaker, doesnt ring a bell? |
| 02:01.21 | jjazz | ozrg: same as any other distro |
| 02:01.22 | jharrison | ozrg: kde, gnome, fluxbox, xfce, etc... |
| 02:01.22 | herbi | unless you are the guy who made gproftpd? |
| 02:01.39 | Azar | ozrg: kde or gnome if you want full heavy GUI or openbox just for desktop manager |
| 02:01.51 | bleenshaker | herbi: amen |
| 02:01.55 | herbi | oh |
| 02:01.56 | herbi | hi magnus |
| 02:02.01 | bleenshaker | herbi: hi herbi |
| 02:02.02 | x3n0 | full heavy gu? |
| 02:02.05 | herbi | whats up |
| 02:02.05 | x3n0 | gui |
| 02:02.12 | strider | ringo999: that can't be ;) check your sources.list |
| 02:02.22 | strider | ringo999: it's in contrib |
| 02:02.25 | Azar | x3n0: full heavy == bloated |
| 02:02.30 | bleenshaker | herbi: im making a high quality samba frontend |
| 02:02.32 | jharrison | x3n0: I dont think mentioning full heavy gui these days means much |
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| 02:02.46 | jharrison | x3n0: hardware is more then powerful enough to run whatever you want |
| 02:02.51 | x3n0 | reboot -f = bad ? |
| 02:02.51 | herbi | cool |
| 02:02.57 | bleenshaker | herbi: you know, c/gtk+ only... yeah |
| 02:03.14 | jharrison | x3n0: whats wrong with just reboot/ |
| 02:03.15 | jharrison | ? |
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| 02:03.17 | ptlis | Is there any way to use wc recursively through a directory structure? |
| 02:03.22 | x3n0 | jharrison whats the difference? |
| 02:03.40 | ringo999 | strider: contrib? |
| 02:03.45 | bleenshaker | herbi: im worried about the load itll put on the server... but.. i have a dude in germany showing the screenshots etc so i should be fine |
| 02:03.52 | jharrison | x3n0: -f is a forced reboot |
| 02:03.56 | mattwestm | how do I install X and Gnome over FTP? |
| 02:04.08 | jharrison | mattwestm: with apt-get? |
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| 02:04.20 | Azar | mattwestm: with debian you can use apt-get to install X and gnome |
| 02:04.30 | bleenshaker | herbi: at this location theres not so good upgradability as one would want |
| 02:04.39 | mattwestm | well, when I select custom package install, it doesn't give me a list |
| 02:04.47 | strider | !tell ringo999 about contrib |
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| 02:04.57 | Azar | mattwestm: custom package? |
| 02:05.03 | jharrison | mattwestm: when you select what? |
| 02:05.08 | jharrison | mattwestm: what are you using? |
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| 02:05.09 | bleenshaker | herbi: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/sys_uptime/sys_uptime.htm 285 days uptime though ;) |
| 02:05.15 | mattwestm | like, custom packages, not desktop or server, etc. |
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| 02:05.34 | mattwestm | the config you want for the system |
| 02:05.34 | Azar | mattwestm: so you want X and gnome without desktop |
| 02:05.36 | Azar | nice |
| 02:05.42 | jharrison | bleenshaker: thats the uptime of a box of yours? |
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| 02:05.59 | mattwestm | well, I tried desktop and it doesn't install X and gnome |
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| 02:06.10 | mattwestm | shouldn |
| 02:06.12 | bleenshaker | jharrison: it suggests that, yes |
| 02:06.24 | Azar | mattwestm: state here what distro are you using |
| 02:06.32 | mattwestm | debian 3.1 |
| 02:06.35 | jharrison | mattwestm: I usually select nothing and install x and whatever from scratch |
| 02:06.47 | jharrison | bleenshaker: ok no need to get testy |
| 02:06.49 | bleenshaker | jharrison: its serving the linux world with guis |
| 02:06.55 | mattwestm | how do I do that, apt-get install gnome? |
| 02:07.09 | jharrison | mattwestm: you could try that |
| 02:07.11 | jharrison | mattwestm: it should work |
| 02:07.14 | Azar | mattwestm: see if you have X : ls /etc/X11 do you see xfree86 there? |
| 02:07.15 | bleenshaker | jharrison: if i smell a bot it goes down you know :P |
| 02:07.20 | ultraviolet16 | hey does anyone know where to get win32codecs and the dvd codec |
| 02:07.35 | cirkulera | amen |
| 02:07.39 | felipe_ | mattwest bette use aptitude (apt interface) to install packets easier |
| 02:07.47 | mattwestm | no, it's not there |
| 02:07.48 | jharrison | bleenshaker: how? |
| 02:08.03 | jharrison | bleenshaker: do you ddos it? |
| 02:08.05 | bleenshaker | ultraviolet16: have you little imaginative sences ? |
| 02:08.15 | Azar | mattwestm: what about XF86Config-4 ? |
| 02:08.22 | strider | !tell ultraviolet16 about marillat |
| 02:08.40 | mattwestm | I don't think X is installed. I can only login and use text mode |
| 02:08.44 | bleenshaker | jharrison: what that ? |
| 02:08.50 | ultraviolet16 | bleenshaker: have plenty |
| 02:08.58 | mattwestm | and Ctrl + Alt + F7 doesn't dork |
| 02:08.59 | jharrison | bleenshaker: I was hoping I could beat that uptime but I am a bit short |
| 02:09.04 | x3n0 | jharrison my system keeps rebooting and after i type mount -n -o remount,rw / it reboots and checks hte disk and repeats |
| 02:09.08 | Azar | mattwestm: at command line type: ls /etc/X11 and see if you have XF86Config-4 |
| 02:09.08 | BHSPitLappy | are the md5sums of cd images located on the site anywhere? |
| 02:09.11 | ultraviolet16 | strider: thanks |
| 02:09.11 | jharrison | bleenshaker: you said when you smell a bot it goes down |
| 02:09.16 | liable | mattwestm: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome |
| 02:09.19 | bleenshaker | i like the ultraviolet16's |
| 02:09.26 | jharrison | bleenshaker: what do you mean by that |
| 02:09.30 | ultraviolet16 | ? |
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| 02:09.35 | ultraviolet16 | 0_o |
| 02:09.42 | jharrison | x3n0: what file systems are you using? |
| 02:09.48 | cirkulera | jharrison: dont be bothering the "by that" |
| 02:09.55 | x3n0 | jharrison hda5 i think |
| 02:10.05 | mattwestm | is the system supposed to automatically install X when you select desktop? |
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| 02:10.17 | opnsrc | How do I rename files in the terminal |
| 02:10.19 | jharrison | this channel sure has changed |
| 02:10.27 | Azar | mattwestm: if you are sure you do not have X, do what liable told you up ^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:10.27 | jjazz | opnsrc: mv |
| 02:10.30 | strider | opnsrc: mv |
| 02:10.32 | felipe_ | opnsrc mv oldname newname |
| 02:10.36 | x3n0 | jharrison it says it checks /dev/hda5 contains a file system with errors |
| 02:10.36 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 02:11.01 | jharrison | x3n0: you using ext2, ext3, reiserfs etc...? |
| 02:11.08 | x3n0 | jharrison i think ext2 |
| 02:11.18 | Azar | ew |
| 02:11.23 | opnsrc | jjazz, strider , and felipe_ , thanks |
| 02:11.33 | felipe_ | :) |
| 02:11.39 | mattwestm | Azar: will that also install Gnome? |
| 02:11.51 | mattwestm | nevermind |
| 02:11.52 | Azar | mattwestm: yes the whole thing X+gnome |
| 02:11.57 | jharrison | x3n0: sounds like you might need to fsck the partition |
| 02:12.03 | jharrison | x3n0: at least it sounds like what the system is trying to do |
| 02:12.06 | x3n0 | jharr it is fscking at every boot |
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| 02:13.22 | x3n0 | jharrison i think its working now lol |
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| 02:13.36 | x3n0 | jharrison only took 5 fscks |
| 02:13.47 | adub | can someone tell me how to disable synaptics touchpad |
| 02:14.43 | jharrison | x3n0: you should use a journaling filesystem such as ext3, reiserfs etc... |
| 02:14.48 | jharrison | x3n0: then you wont have to fsck so much |
| 02:15.10 | x3n0 | hmm so i did a xorg backport upgrade from xfree86 and now it cannot start up x server for any gui i'm stuck at a terminal setup |
| 02:15.30 | jharrison | x3n0: use backports at your own risk |
| 02:15.43 | x3n0 | jharrison hmm :/ |
| 02:17.19 | x3n0 | jharrison any way to fix it back ot xfree86? |
| 02:17.35 | jharrison | x3n0: perhaps |
| 02:18.02 | jharrison | x3n0: take backports out of your sources.list and unisntall xorg and then install xfree back |
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| 02:18.11 | jharrison | x3n0: or run xorg out of etch or sid |
| 02:18.23 | jharrison | x3n0: running xorg out of etch or sid is also at your own risk though |
| 02:18.32 | pyromatrx | how is it that I can specify 'ro' in GRUB but my fs can still be written to? |
| 02:18.45 | mattwestm | during the setup, when it has Desktop Environment, Server, File Server, etc. How do I select or highlight desktop setup? |
| 02:18.49 | x3n0 | jharrison i'm not sure how to do all of that |
| 02:19.01 | Chiclo | matt - space |
| 02:19.07 | strider | mattwestm: space |
| 02:19.09 | Chiclo | Took me forever to figure that out. |
| 02:19.42 | cirkulera | x3n0: poop :) |
| 02:19.50 | jharrison | x3n0: why dont you run kubuntu or ubuntu? |
| 02:20.06 | mattwestm | that's what my problem installing is... |
| 02:20.28 | x3n0 | BobDole hey can yopu help me since its not work?? |
| 02:20.34 | jharrison | mattwestm: spacebar? |
| 02:20.38 | x3n0 | x3n0 whatcha mean? |
| 02:20.43 | x3n0 | jharrison whatcha mena |
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| 02:21.10 | pyromatrx | why do I get a failed to open info package file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' error? |
| 02:21.15 | jharrison | x3n0: http://www.kubuntu.org/ |
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| 02:22.05 | Azar | mattwestm: that is a topic/question for a gnome channel |
| 02:22.16 | x3n0 | jharrison what does kubuntu do? |
| 02:22.47 | jharrison | x3n0: http://www.ubuntu.com/ |
| 02:22.48 | Azar | x3n0: it gets easier on your brains |
| 02:22.57 | jharrison | x3n0: it is an OS based on debian |
| 02:23.10 | jharrison | x3n0: ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu is the same as ubuntu but with kde instaed |
| 02:23.22 | jharrison | x3n0: it is user friendly and easy to set up |
| 02:23.23 | x3n0 | Jharr i dont think it would change anything bcuase i'm trying ot get some ati drivers setup |
| 02:23.47 | jharrison | x3n0: ubuntu/kubuntu can help you with ati drivers setup |
| 02:24.04 | jharrison | x3n0: they have documentation that explains the steps to take to install the drivers and get them working properly |
| 02:24.17 | jharrison | x3n0: I just set it up the other day for my father who uses kubuntu |
| 02:25.01 | pyromatrx | I have a PS/2 mouse. how should I configure it for xserver? |
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| 02:25.53 | Azar | pyromatrx: in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86(or xorg) |
| 02:26.08 | pyromatrx | Azar: yes, but which should be my mouse port? |
| 02:26.22 | StereoSkit | dudes, after upgrade from stable to testing xmms is no longer playing ogg files, is there a patch or anything for this? |
| 02:26.26 | x3n0 | where can i connect o to get xerver-xfree86 ? |
| 02:26.38 | Azar | pyromatrx: the reconfigure interface walks you through you will go with PS2 |
| 02:27.03 | pyromatrx | Azar: would it be /dev/psaux? |
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| 02:27.17 | Azar | pyromatrx, yes |
| 02:27.26 | Azar | x3n0: learn how to use apt-get |
| 02:27.30 | iciclebox | Azar: btw, I've gotten sarge, upgrade my kernel, and all that is left is configuring x =) |
| 02:27.49 | Azar | iciclebox: nice |
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| 02:28.44 | ringo999 | what is the best way of editing my PATH variable without loosing its current value |
| 02:29.02 | zenwryly | I have a minimal system with XFCE managed by GDM. How do I enable regular users to shutdown or reboot the machine? |
| 02:29.08 | zenwryly | also, how do I do auto login |
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| 02:29.31 | iciclebox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:29.53 | Coweater | zenwryly: install sudo, add them to your sudoers file for the shutdown command |
| 02:30.07 | beered | I have real hard time finding an easy to use video player. isn't there something out there that can work out-of-the-box? |
| 02:30.20 | humboldt | if I have mixed sarge and testing packages, how can I determine which packages I have from which repository? |
| 02:30.38 | Coweater | zenwryly: for auto-login you can set it by running gdmsetup as root |
| 02:30.40 | vulture_ | beered: xine, mplayer.. |
| 02:31.16 | beered | vulture_: I'm using testing. xine and mpalyers aren't apt-getable. |
| 02:31.18 | zenwryly | Coweater: ok, somehow shutdown is enabled on my laptop without haveing done any configuration, but on this other box its not. |
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| 02:31.27 | vulture_ | beered: xine-ui should be there. |
| 02:32.10 | beered | vulture_: E: Package xine-ui has no installation candidate |
| 02:32.30 | Coweater | zenwryly: dunno, xfce requires sudo to run shutdown |
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| 02:32.38 | nichos | ~find wx-config |
| 02:32.42 | iciclebox | what's the difference between remove and purge in dpkg? |
| 02:32.55 | vulture_ | iciclebox: have you RTFM? |
| 02:33.17 | Azar | iciclebox: I guess remove removes one package, purge removes the package and whatever came in with that package |
| 02:33.28 | vulture_ | Azar: you guess incorrectly |
| 02:33.41 | Azar | vulture_: I am a newbie, I just said I guess |
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| 02:33.53 | qc | hi |
| 02:33.58 | BobDole | Azar: isn't completely wrong. what he said isn't far from the truth |
| 02:34.01 | BobDole | !greet qc |
| 02:34.01 | dpkg | Bonjour, qc |
| 02:34.07 | zenwryly | ok |
| 02:34.10 | nichos | packages.debian.org is down, can anyone tell me which packages wx-config is in? |
| 02:34.13 | zenwryly | Coweater: thanks |
| 02:34.17 | SerajewelKS | BobDole: actually it's completely incorrect |
| 02:34.17 | qc | I have a problem running xserver-xfree86 on a old laptop |
| 02:34.18 | vulture_ | BobDole: I don't see what's so close about his statement.. *shrugs* |
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| 02:34.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell qc about ask |
| 02:34.43 | BobDole | nichos: apt-cache search wx-config |
| 02:34.43 | Azar | SerajewelKS: can you please reveal the issue? I am curious |
| 02:34.45 | beered | xine is broken because of... arts 1.5? ghee. |
| 02:34.59 | qc | it cant detect my mouse, but i want to use the mouse in the middle of my in my keyboard in de middle |
| 02:35.00 | nichos | BobDole returns nothing |
| 02:35.01 | vulture_ | Azar: the man page (man dpkg) makes it clear enough |
| 02:35.01 | SerajewelKS | Azar: purge is the same as remove, except it removes config files |
| 02:35.15 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ah thanks |
| 02:35.23 | BobDole | vulture_: Well for example if you install something like apache, and then you remove it, /etc/apache/* will stay there. So the config files won't be touched, but if you purge they will get removed, not with the remove command. So Azar was partially right. |
| 02:35.37 | qc | btw using latest debian |
| 02:35.44 | BobDole | But if you apt-get install something, and it has dependencies, if you remove that program, the dependenices don't necessarily get removed. So he was partially right. |
| 02:35.45 | SerajewelKS | BobDole: except that "whatever came in" is referring to other packages |
| 02:35.51 | BobDole | right |
| 02:35.51 | MrObvious | Does Debian use a 2.4.27 kernel? That seems old. |
| 02:35.58 | SerajewelKS | BobDole: and he did not mention config files |
| 02:36.05 | SerajewelKS | BobDole: so the statements were not close at all |
| 02:36.06 | Azar | psssss come on no fight, I am glad I got the idea |
| 02:36.10 | BobDole | SerajewelKS: I think that was implied through osmosis. |
| 02:36.15 | BobDole | Azar: did you mean config files? |
| 02:36.18 | qc | but does anyone know how i can make my mouse |
| 02:36.31 | qc | work thats in the middle of my laptop keyboard? |
| 02:36.41 | Azar | BobDole: I wasnt sure which other files are removed, but I felt it had to be associated with the removed package.. |
| 02:36.54 | BobDole | !start a package management war |
| 02:36.54 | dpkg | I'm a whole hell of a lot better than that dselect crap! |
| 02:37.06 | Azar | I only knew that a package comes with some "helping" files or packages |
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| 02:37.35 | iciclebox | ok, I've read the manual. does removing the package include removing the downloaded .deb file? |
| 02:37.45 | BobDole | iciclebox: no |
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| 02:37.53 | BobDole | iciclebox: You have to apt-get clean; to remove *.deb files. |
| 02:37.59 | iciclebox | thanks |
| 02:38.18 | BobDole | iciclebox: ls /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:38.47 | qc | Does anyone know how to make that green mouse lil ball thingie work to get xserver running, i am using the latest Debian, i get hte output: No Mouse detected bla bla bla |
| 02:38.52 | rutski89 | How do i set the wep key on my wireless nic from the command line? iwconfig doesn't seem to have that ability, and I don't know of any other tools :-( |
| 02:39.35 | BobDole | rutski89: You probably need some wep extension/module, what card do you use rutski89? |
| 02:39.40 | BobDole | rutski89: maybe modprobe wlan_wep? |
| 02:40.01 | rutski89 | BobDole, hmm... but once I do that, which command would i issue? |
| 02:40.08 | qc | Can't anybody help me with this, am I giving to less information or something |
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| 02:40.16 | beered | when i try to run gxine i get en error that can't create mcop directory |
| 02:40.27 | beered | not sure how to fix that. any suggestions? |
| 02:40.48 | BobDole | rutski89: wep is useless anyway...all it's going to do is make your data larger with encryption, thus making speeds slower. |
| 02:41.06 | iciclebox | BobDole: surely it has to be better than no encryption at all |
| 02:41.12 | rutski89 | BobDole, well the network i'm on uses wep, so i have to get it configured :-( |
| 02:41.15 | BobDole | rutski89: If it's possible, I would use wpa, instead of wep. wep uses a stream cipher which makes is susceptible to related key attacks. |
| 02:41.16 | odla | BobDole: are you still doing viagara commericals? |
| 02:41.19 | StereoSkit | dudes, no one has the same issue with xmms (not playing ogg files)? |
| 02:41.21 | BobDole | And it only have a 48bit iv |
| 02:41.42 | liable | rutski89: what iwconfig command are you using? |
| 02:42.06 | liable | StereoSkit: you have whatever lib is needed to play ogg? |
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| 02:42.38 | rutski89 | liable, the version is "Wireless-Tools version 27" |
| 02:42.45 | StereoSkit | liable: im not sure : |
| 02:42.58 | iciclebox | why does debconf keep wanting to use GNOME? I don't even have GNOME installed |
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| 02:43.06 | StereoSkit | ii libogg0 1.1.2-1 |
| 02:43.15 | qc | ok the output: Configured Muouse: cannot open input device preinit failed for input " Configured Mouse" No core pointer |
| 02:43.17 | liable | rutski89: whats the exact command and error? (dont paste here if more than two lines |
| 02:43.21 | zenwryly | is ALSA the recommended way to do if you only need to be able to play MP3s, DVDs, and the like? |
| 02:43.21 | Azar | StereoSkit: I am using xmms in Sarge and is great |
| 02:43.26 | dn4 | How do I take the directory of /mnt/cdrom and turn that into an iso file that can be bootable once it has been burned with a program like k3b? |
| 02:43.30 | qc | Can |
| 02:43.30 | SerajewelKS | is there any way to get around dante requiring an explicit external IP given in the config file? the external IP changes frequency, and dante doesn't accept 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:43.31 | Azar | StereoSkit: plays any file I want |
| 02:43.33 | liable | iciclebox: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 02:43.33 | StereoSkit | Azar: i have etch here |
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| 02:43.39 | SerajewelKS | frequently* |
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| 02:43.42 | qc | someone plz help me with this |
| 02:43.44 | rutski89 | liable, there's no error. I'm looking over the man page, and i simply don't see a way to set a wep key |
| 02:43.45 | StereoSkit | may that be teh problem? |
| 02:43.52 | Azar | StereoSkit: starting with etch, crap happens |
| 02:43.58 | liable | rutski89: iwconfig eth0 key blah |
| 02:44.07 | liable | rutski89: keep reading.. |
| 02:44.12 | StereoSkit | shite |
| 02:44.26 | StereoSkit | any idea on how to correct this!? |
| 02:44.27 | Azar | qc how did you configured mouse? |
| 02:44.38 | rutski89 | liable, ahh, ty; i was looking for "wep" in the man page, i guess i was beeing narrow sighed :-p thanks again :-) |
| 02:44.50 | qc | with the standard blue setupt screen that appeared when installing the Netinstall CD |
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| 02:45.16 | liable | StereoSkit: you got libogg0 installed? |
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| 02:45.32 | Azar | qc you have more to configure, type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and get busy |
| 02:45.33 | liable | StereoSkit: apt-cache search ogg |
| 02:45.49 | erchef | how to install beep-madia player ?? |
| 02:45.52 | qc | Ill try that again |
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| 02:46.19 | er_CHEF | how to install beep-madia player ?? |
| 02:46.31 | er_CHEF | on ubuntu |
| 02:46.33 | Azar | er_CHEF: whatever that is |
| 02:46.38 | Azar | go to #ubuntu and ask |
| 02:46.43 | humboldt | I have an apt question concerning the Release file nomenclatur! |
| 02:46.45 | liable | er_CHEF: ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:47.18 | er_CHEF | so but ubuntu is a distribution of debian?? |
| 02:47.30 | Azar | er_CHEF: ubuntu is NOT Debian |
| 02:47.39 | Azar | just uses its name to make us miserable |
| 02:47.49 | humboldt | The release files used to state: Archive: stable. Now they seem to state Suite: stable Codename: sarge |
| 02:47.56 | liable | er_CHEF: it has different repos, so we cant tell you if you have the right ones in sources list. ask in #ubuntu, read the /topic |
| 02:48.05 | humboldt | This seems to render my preferences file useless! |
| 02:48.13 | humboldt | How can I adapt to the changes? |
| 02:48.19 | er_CHEF | ok |
| 02:48.44 | BobDole | !tell er_CHEF about ubuntu |
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| 02:48.48 | humboldt | The changes don't seem to be incorporated in the man pages yet! |
| 02:48.59 | qc | I don't know what /dev/ i should choose with configuring the mouse, last time i tried /dev/input/mous um i ment /mice and that didnt work, its for a mouse ball thingie thats on old laptops |
| 02:49.18 | Azar | qc, usually goes by ps/aux PS2 |
| 02:49.29 | drp | can you force firefox to use a specific interface (wlan0) |
| 02:49.35 | qc | I'll try it thanks in advance |
| 02:49.59 | qc | ahh glidepoint i think :D |
| 02:50.07 | liable | drp: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:50.52 | Azar | qc I think glidepoint is used by touchpads usually with laptops |
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| 02:51.21 | drp | liable: trying to bind firefox to a certain ip ... I have two interfaces up, my wireless and my wired connection and I want to use my wireless for web browsing |
| 02:51.45 | liable | drp: whats the wired one for? why have two up? |
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| 02:52.12 | liable | drp: you pinching your neighbours wireless to look for pr0n? :) |
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| 02:52.24 | drp | liable: not pr0n but yes |
| 02:52.42 | Azar | liable I guess he is inlove with the next door girl |
| 02:52.59 | Azar | ..who is stupid enough to use wireless |
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| 02:53.07 | liable | drp: i dont think you can just get firefox to use it, you need to set it as default route |
| 02:53.20 | liable | Azar: me and millions others.. |
| 02:53.31 | BoltActnAssault | whats the equivelent of ipconfig in debian |
| 02:53.34 | Azar | liable: not for me yet... maybe never |
| 02:53.34 | drp | liable: ic ... I know you can do it with other apps like azureus ... just thought you might be able to do it with firefox |
| 02:54.02 | ronin | BoltActnAssault: ifconfig |
| 02:54.15 | drp | Azar: negative |
| 02:54.29 | Azar | liable for me wireless resembles with a portable radio with antenna, noise interference ..etc.. weak signals..etc |
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| 02:55.19 | liable | Azar: works perfectly here. carry my laptop all over the place, even sitting in the garden.. |
| 02:55.36 | Azar | liable that is cool.. |
| 02:56.09 | Azar | liable 3 networked PCs here all over the house... so it is ok |
| 02:56.14 | BobDole | nAnyone have xen 3.0 links so I can add it to my sources.list? |
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| 02:57.29 | rutski89 | Is it just me, or is www.x.org down? |
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| 02:57.45 | BHSPitLappy | it's not just you |
| 02:58.06 | BobDole | I bet the topic in #xorg will give you the answer you want. |
| 02:58.20 | rutski89 | BobDole, nope, checked already |
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| 02:59.24 | BucWheat | how do you chown or chmod a dir so that the owner:group has ownership of the dir and all files therein even if root creates a file in that dir? |
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| 02:59.59 | MrP | Hello |
| 03:00.36 | MrP | Should be using a USB mouse in sarge (from 6-8 months ago) be simple plug and play? Or does it require some sort of configuration changes? |
| 03:01.06 | TBBle | BucWheat: For groups, set g+s. I dunno if u+s works the same for owners... |
| 03:01.37 | Amarande | bah, kernel panic is a wonderful thing :/ |
| 03:01.50 | MrP | I haven't used this box in what seems like forever, and I originally just used a PS/2 ball mouse. Since then, I've lost it somewhere and now am using a USB optical mouse and it doesn't seem to want to work. From what I can see, USB recognizes it, but X doesn't want to |
| 03:02.15 | BucWheat | TBBle k. thanks |
| 03:03.13 | Azar | MrP if you have X installed you can configure it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:03.38 | Azar | MrP that is if you loaded the usb modules for mouse |
| 03:03.43 | bbrazil | BucWheat: not quite what you want, but look at default acls |
| 03:04.11 | MrP | Azar: Like I said, it has been quite a long time since I've been on linux. Is there any way to tell if I have? And if I haven't, what is the routine to do it? |
| 03:04.18 | BucWheat | bbrazil acls? |
| 03:04.19 | Azar | MrP I hope you have the 2.6.8 kernel upgrade/installed if you still on 2.4.27..... |
| 03:04.25 | Azar | ... then upgrad it |
| 03:04.29 | MrP | Azar: Yes, 2.6 |
| 03:04.32 | MrObvious | Hi. |
| 03:04.44 | MrObvious | I just got debian installed, now what? |
| 03:04.48 | Azar | MrP in view the contents of /etc/X11 |
| 03:05.04 | Azar | if you have XF86Config-4, yes you have X installed |
| 03:05.08 | MrP | ok |
| 03:05.12 | bbrazil | !acl |
| 03:05.12 | dpkg | hmm... acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html |
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| 03:05.24 | liable | MrObvious: use it? |
| 03:05.34 | MrObvious | Well how do I get X? |
| 03:05.35 | Azar | haha |
| 03:05.35 | TBBle | MrObvious: That's a question with almost no sensible answer. You do with it whatever it is that you wanted to do that caused you to install it in the first place |
| 03:05.43 | TBBle | MrObvious: Ah, much better question. |
| 03:05.54 | Azar | MrObvious: type startx? |
| 03:05.59 | MrObvious | Ah. |
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| 03:06.09 | YGingras | how could the debian electoral system in a governmental election? can the process be made anonymous ? |
| 03:06.16 | MrObvious | startx -> command not found |
| 03:06.17 | systemadmin | strider, hey you here? |
| 03:06.23 | Phated | !install x |
| 03:06.24 | dpkg | well, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 03:06.25 | liable | MrObvious: what desktop/wm you want? |
| 03:06.29 | Phated | ... eh. |
| 03:06.33 | Azar | MrObvious: obviously you did not installed with desktop |
| 03:06.35 | MrObvious | E17 if I can. |
| 03:06.35 | Phated | Close enough. |
| 03:06.47 | YGingras | err... how could the debian electoral system be used in a governmental election? |
| 03:06.47 | AceSmythe | startkde? |
| 03:06.49 | MrObvious | Azar: Eh, I'm trying Debian through qemu. |
| 03:07.11 | MrObvious | set up x |
| 03:07.11 | Azar | E17 sorry only if you buy it from Mars |
| 03:07.20 | MrObvious | :| |
| 03:07.30 | liable | MrObvious: start with something in the repo's till you work it all out, apt-get install x-window-system-core enlightenment |
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| 03:07.52 | liable | MrObvious: E17 isnt in the debian repos yet. |
| 03:08.02 | AceSmythe | e17? |
| 03:08.16 | MrObvious | AceSmythe: Enlightenment DR 17. It's alpha and I use it. |
| 03:08.26 | strider | systemadmin: for a few minutes more |
| 03:08.42 | MrObvious | Apparently I missed the option I wanted :|. |
| 03:08.48 | TBBle | YGingras: You could make it double-blind... Outer envelope is encrypted to Alice, who marks the vote as recorded, strips all the identifying marks and mixmasters the GPG-encrypted contents to Bob who decrupts the now-anonymous vote and records it's value... |
| 03:08.54 | systemadmin | strider, i got the ipw2200 installed and i can see it in kwifimanager, but i am not getting an ipaddress |
| 03:09.16 | systemadmin | strider, what do i do to configure it, my old one i used a cisco tool, but this one is new for me |
| 03:09.17 | strider | systemadmin: did you load the firmware as well? |
| 03:09.22 | systemadmin | yes |
| 03:09.24 | systemadmin | radio is on |
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| 03:09.32 | systemadmin | i put it in the firmware directory |
| 03:09.34 | pyromatrx | !usb |
| 03:09.35 | dpkg | i heard usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 03:09.51 | systemadmin | strider, well wait , how do i load the firmware? |
| 03:10.20 | liable | can you see it with iwconfig? |
| 03:10.27 | strider | systemadmin: it should do that automatically, just put it in /lib/firmware |
| 03:10.36 | YGingras | TBBle, Québec is in the process of updating its electoral law and there are public earings going on, do you think electronic voting is a good idea at all ? |
| 03:10.39 | systemadmin | strider, yea ok then i did |
| 03:10.52 | systemadmin | liable, yea i can see it, the radio is on |
| 03:11.03 | strider | systemadmin: dhclient? |
| 03:11.03 | epsilon | is there something for bash doing "try <command>, catch error"? |
| 03:11.33 | TBBle | YGingras: I think it's a good idea, but there's an enormous hole of unresolved issues. Access to the electronic voting and the lack of a paper trail are two that come to mind. |
| 03:11.38 | systemadmin | strider, yea i have a dhcp server on this network, i am on the laptop right now using a ethernet card in it |
| 03:11.56 | liable | epsilon: redirect it to a file? |
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| 03:12.24 | strider | systemadmin: does dhclient eth1(say) give you an ip? |
| 03:12.55 | YGingras | TBBle, the problem is that the Debian implementation of the Condorcet is hardly implementatble without a computer... |
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| 03:15.48 | vilane | can anyone tell me the name of the util that shows the side bar with all of your system specs and such in it? i realize its kinda random, i just dont know where else to try and find its name |
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| 03:16.02 | liable | gkrellm |
| 03:16.07 | deuce868 | gkrellm? |
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| 03:16.16 | vilane | might be, lemme take a look |
| 03:16.21 | deadcat_ | or conky |
| 03:16.46 | harfooz | hi all -- have an apache2 permission question. I have put files I want served in the /var/www/fred directory. These files are being served. |
| 03:16.47 | vilane | its gkrellm |
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| 03:16.50 | vilane | thank you |
| 03:17.01 | raden | how easy apache to configure in debian ? |
| 03:17.02 | strider | systemadmin: does that work? |
| 03:17.09 | harfooz | However the subdirectory /var/www/fred/images is getting a 403 forbidden error. |
| 03:17.10 | YGingras | TBBle, what would be the computing requirement for a national house of common election with a proportional vote? |
| 03:17.12 | Azar | question about logs: does /var/log keep a number of logs (autocleans?) or I will have to clean it myself? |
| 03:17.12 | TBBle | YGingras: I'm not that up on the actual vote calculations... I know more about the vote process |
| 03:17.12 | deadcat_ | raden: very |
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| 03:17.26 | deuce868 | work is thinking of letting me get a linux cert. I run a trio of debian boxes and was thinking lpi would be more comfortable for me than things like RHCE, Novell, etc... Any comments/thoughts? Anyone done it? |
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| 03:17.47 | harfooz | The permissions on my /var/www/fred/images file appear to be identical to those in the /var/www/fred/ directory. |
| 03:18.04 | deuce868 | harfooz: Make sure it has +x |
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| 03:18.08 | harfooz | why won't the /var/www/fred/images files be served? |
| 03:18.12 | harfooz | deuce868, ah -- ok |
| 03:18.19 | deuce868 | I have not found out why, but I have run into it needed +x to load up the images |
| 03:18.50 | TBBle | +x on a directory means "permission to view list of files in that directory". |
| 03:19.29 | harfooz | shoot -- chmod +x didn't allow apache2 to serve them. In fact neither did chmod 777 ./* on the images. |
| 03:19.52 | maney | x on directories is permission to access through that directory; r is permission to read, ie., ls |
| 03:19.55 | deadcat_ | allow dir listing maybe |
| 03:19.55 | liable | harfooz: whats the log say? |
| 03:19.57 | deuce868 | did you just chmod 777 the directory or did you -R it for the files in it |
| 03:20.06 | TBBle | maney: Gah. >_< |
| 03:20.12 | harfooz | deuce868, files in it. |
| 03:20.23 | maney | TBBle: I had to read it twice to be sure you'd typed it wrong :-) |
| 03:20.54 | harfooz | deuce868, got it! |
| 03:21.09 | harfooz | The directory /var/www/fred/images needs to be +x |
| 03:21.29 | harfooz | thanks for the advise to check the logs also, liable ! |
| 03:21.39 | BobDole | chmod 755 /var/www -R |
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| 03:21.44 | BobDole | That will solve the problem. |
| 03:21.55 | systemadmin_ | strider, i am all set with wifi |
| 03:21.56 | systemadmin_ | lol |
| 03:21.58 | raden | deadcat_, does debian have anyhting that interfears like suse yast ? |
| 03:21.58 | systemadmin_ | it works |
| 03:22.00 | systemadmin_ | now to sound |
| 03:22.06 | raden | cause im having a hell of a time getting anything in suse to work |
| 03:22.18 | BobDole | deadcat_: Where is slim...not yet added to debian.org? |
| 03:22.20 | strider | systemadmin_: was it using dhclient? |
| 03:22.25 | BobDole | deadcat_: 1.2.4 is out now |
| 03:22.31 | systemadmin_ | strider, yea, what you runnign wireless on? |
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| 03:23.12 | strider | at home using the laptop :) |
| 03:23.24 | BoltActnAssault | anyone use nmap? |
| 03:23.26 | harfooz | thanks for the help, deuce868 and liable -- my LAMP setup is working great now. Just down to the tricky stuff! |
| 03:23.27 | maney | Q about gnocatan/pioneers game: is the metaserver working, and is there an issue with connecting to a [meta]server from behind NAT? |
| 03:23.33 | systemadmin_ | strider, dell inspiror 9300? |
| 03:23.35 | harfooz | have a good one everyone. |
| 03:23.56 | deuce868 | debian is great for lamp. Gotta love getting full lamp working setup with a single apt command |
| 03:24.06 | MrObvious | Ok this is strange. My mouse ain't workin. |
| 03:24.34 | MrObvious | When I do a ls /dev | grep mouse nothing comes up I mean. |
| 03:24.40 | strider | systemadmin_: no, it's an old Acer Aspire 2010. Fully linux supported :) |
| 03:24.41 | MrObvious | I can't start X because of it. |
| 03:24.42 | maney | deuce868: I no longer bother asking folks who run inferior distros <grin> why it's so hard for them to get a simple web server working |
| 03:24.56 | BoltActnAssault | i scanned an xp box with nmap, and it came back with port 59 priv-file. i googled prov-file port 59 and the only definition i can find is "any private file service" |
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| 03:25.00 | pyromatrx | !module |
| 03:25.02 | pyromatrx | !modules |
| 03:25.02 | dpkg | [modules] a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
| 03:25.02 | TBBle | MrObvious: If it's a USB mouse on a 2.6 kernel, you should be pointed X at /dev/input/mice most likely. |
| 03:25.03 | liable | MrObvious: cat /dev/input/mice and move it |
| 03:25.15 | pyromatrx | !module-assistant |
| 03:25.16 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 03:25.18 | systemadmin_ | strider, cool, now i have no sound |
| 03:25.18 | systemadmin_ | lol |
| 03:25.21 | liable | pyromatrx: /msg dpkg foo |
| 03:25.33 | deuce868 | maney: how many times does someone end up saying "I installed php and mysql but my php won't talk to my mysql" |
| 03:25.40 | strider | systemadmin_: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 03:25.57 | systemadmin_ | testing |
| 03:26.09 | strider | systemadmin_: run alsaconf yet? |
| 03:26.15 | maney | deuce868: yeah, I meant to mention databases too. it just seems to annoy them when I try to explain how simple it is :-) |
| 03:26.23 | systemadmin_ | strider, nope |
| 03:26.25 | systemadmin_ | willd o |
| 03:26.48 | deuce868 | so no one with LPI vs other certs for a debian guy advise? |
| 03:26.49 | Azar | deadcat_ sorry but I am curious, is this site yours? http://users.adelphia.net/~technet/index.htm |
| 03:27.04 | strider | systemadmin_: get alsa-base and alsa-utils. run alsaconf |
| 03:28.10 | strider | !tell systemadmin_ about alsa one-liner |
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| 03:29.52 | TBBle | Huh? What's thi sabout LPI? |
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| 03:30.17 | systemadmin_ | strider, cool thanks, no for the last issue, this freaking fglrx issue |
| 03:30.21 | root________ | is debian up to date yet ? |
| 03:30.23 | maney | deuce868: LPI is well thought of around here. haven't done it (or any other, RH, etc) myself |
| 03:30.35 | Azar | root________: allways |
| 03:30.37 | strider | systemadmin_: what gfx card exactly? |
| 03:30.38 | humboldt | I want to downgrade a lib and everything that depends on it! |
| 03:30.40 | deuce868 | TBBle: work is thinking of letting me take a cert and cover the costs and such. I'm looking at LPI since I should be able to use my debian skills |
| 03:30.41 | systemadmin_ | x300 |
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| 03:30.58 | humboldt | apt wants to deinstall all and everything instead |
| 03:31.00 | TBBle | !tell TBBle about make-kpkg |
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| 03:31.09 | humboldt | How to convince it otherwise? |
| 03:31.31 | TBBle | deuce868: I did LPI myself, the only other Linux cert I know of being RHCE. Mind you, LPI still needs you to learn RPM.. |
| 03:31.41 | nima | is there any way to change the default gtk theme? |
| 03:31.50 | TBBle | !tell laotan about make-kpkg |
| 03:32.01 | root________ | Azar, last time i used debian, everything was about 2 -5 versons out of date |
| 03:32.25 | strider | ! tell systemadmin_ about ati drivers |
| 03:32.36 | deuce868 | TBBle: how is the rest? I hate trying to find the network config files in RH/SuSE and such and wonder what exactly the exam is like. How much of a headache with other distros will it throw at me. Is there another option I should be looking at? |
| 03:32.39 | systemadmin_ | strider, i think i fixed it |
| 03:32.43 | BobDole | root________: That's because you used _stable_ and that is for systems that are supposed to be _stable_ meaning they shouldn't have software updates. |
| 03:32.54 | BobDole | root________: You want debian testing, not _stable_ |
| 03:32.56 | strider | systemadmin_: though i use the r300 drivers now. it'spretty simple |
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| 03:32.57 | blackthorne | hi |
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| 03:33.04 | BobDole | systemadmin_: What ati card do you have? |
| 03:33.12 | systemadmin_ | x300 |
| 03:33.16 | TBBle | deuce868: I don't think that level of knowledge is required. I can't discuss content, but I don't think you need to be concerned on that score. |
| 03:33.36 | systemadmin_ | when i do fgl_gears thing i get about 480fps.. is that good |
| 03:33.41 | liable | why cant discuss content? |
| 03:33.45 | systemadmin_ | fglinfo says ati for open gl |
| 03:33.46 | blackthorne | i wanted some good reasons to change to debian. Can someone help me? |
| 03:33.56 | root________ | BobDole, I'm setting up a server system, so I want something allegedly stable, which means I prolly want Stable, but I need apache 2, which wasn't in stable last time I looked |
| 03:33.57 | systemadmin_ | us! |
| 03:33.58 | liable | !why debian |
| 03:33.58 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 03:34.00 | deuce868 | TBBle: Is there some info on the test structure? The website seems thin on details. Hands on/paper/etc? |
| 03:34.01 | BobDole | systemadmin_: paste fglrxinfo to www.rafb.net/paste |
| 03:34.09 | strider | systemadmin_: do a glxinfo |grep direct |
| 03:34.12 | TBBle | liable: When you take the exam, they make you agree to a thing on the front saying you can't talk or record the contents of the booklet. |
| 03:34.13 | BobDole | root________: apache2 is in stable. |
| 03:34.15 | TBBle | Urk. |
| 03:34.19 | TBBle | No, that was right. |
| 03:34.30 | Azar | root________: I am running stable (Sarge) and it ok with me, I do not watch video porn, don't download music, don't use a camera on it, don't watch TV on it.... I have a PC not a jukebox/pornplayer |
| 03:34.35 | liable | TBBle: oh. ok. |
| 03:34.48 | TBBle | deuce868: The examcram book I was reading (I don't recommend it, it's awful) talked about computer-based testing, but I did mine on paper at LCA'06 |
| 03:34.55 | MrObvious | Man, I can't get X working at all. |
| 03:35.04 | liable | !+info apache2 sarge |
| 03:35.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:35.16 | systemadmin_ | BobDole, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Rz1IDM27.html |
| 03:35.20 | MrObvious | Is there a way I can like run the setup again without going through everything? |
| 03:35.26 | deuce868 | TBBle: ok, so it's not lab based like the RHCE stuff it sounds like |
| 03:35.38 | geocritter73 | Hi guys...quick question...is testing beginning to settle down yet? Last time I tried to update to testing from sarge, it blew up my system. |
| 03:35.41 | systemadmin_ | strider, says yes |
| 03:35.41 | Azar | MrObvious: tell what distro you installed, what kernel, did you installed X? did you loaded your video card driver? |
| 03:35.54 | liable | MrObvious: setup for what bit? |
| 03:36.08 | strider | systemadmin_: you're good to go then :) |
| 03:36.10 | MrObvious | liable: I did a netinstall and it took forever. |
| 03:36.11 | TBBle | I don't know anything about the RHCE. I stopped at the RH bit. |
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| 03:36.14 | deuce868 | geocritter73: I run a pair of desktops in testing with normal kde stuff. Nothing blown up yet, but I only update every once in a while |
| 03:36.22 | MrObvious | I wanna go back to the part where I choose which packages to install. |
| 03:36.27 | liable | MrObvious: what bit do you want to re setup? |
| 03:36.28 | systemadmin_ | strider, what is the support for sd cards? any yet? |
| 03:36.38 | MrObvious | liable: X. It's being a pain in the rear to get running. |
| 03:36.41 | liable | MrObvious: run 'tasksel' |
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| 03:36.49 | MrObvious | As root or regular user? |
| 03:36.49 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 03:36.52 | liable | MrObvious: you have it installed? |
| 03:36.55 | liable | x |
| 03:37.03 | MrObvious | Yes it's instlaled. |
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| 03:37.06 | TBBle | deuce868: Frankly, I'm not sure the LPI is significantly more meaningful than an MCSE, in so far as it's something anyone with a few years of experience should be able to do. Then again, I haven't gotten my scores back yet. ^_^ |
| 03:37.09 | liable | !drxx MrObvious |
| 03:37.09 | dpkg | MrObvious: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:37.21 | strider | systemadmin_: i think it's the yenta_socket driver for me. works out of the box |
| 03:37.22 | odla | geocritter73: relative to a few weeks ago...yes |
| 03:37.27 | j1p | Does anyone know why my touchpad on my laptop stops working after i start certain programs, gkrellm or eclipse for example? |
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| 03:37.37 | systemadmin_ | strider, know anytign about dvd burners/players? |
| 03:37.40 | geocritter73 | deuce868: somebody told me just to start off with one of the weekly testing builds. I haven't done it yet, but I tried twice to update from sarge and it just made my machine puke and quit |
| 03:37.57 | Azar | liable, question: those who use sarge installer do not need to configure their video driver? or install it? |
| 03:38.02 | deuce868 | TBBle: Yea, I am thinking it might as well be a place to start though. Since work is thinking of making this an annual thing to start with LPI level 1 and see how it goes. . |
| 03:38.08 | odla | geocritter73: do you install the 2.6.12 kernel before upgrading? |
| 03:38.28 | TBBle | geocritter73: Upgrading from sarge to testing, you prolly should be filing bug reports or at least checking for them, regarding the ways in which your machine puked. |
| 03:38.30 | systemadmin_ | strider, how do you mount an sd card? |
| 03:38.47 | deuce868 | geocritter73: well I can't comment on that. On my boxes I install a complete blank systen with no gui from a sarge disk. Then change the sources, update, and then start to install packages from testing |
| 03:38.48 | Azar | is the sarge installer taking care say of the nvidia driver? |
| 03:38.48 | TBBle | deuce868: I took it because there's nothing else in the field, frankly. |
| 03:38.57 | geocritter73 | odla: yes I did |
| 03:39.01 | Guerin | Azar: no; why would it? |
| 03:39.12 | liable | Azar: when you install x, you need to configure it, yes |
| 03:39.14 | Azar | hi Guerin :) thanks for the info |
| 03:39.29 | Azar | I am just asking because I do not know how sarge installer does.. |
| 03:39.35 | Guerin | Azar: nv is a perfectly good driver for every single application there is except playing games, which is bloody hard to do in free software anyway. |
| 03:39.40 | deuce868 | TBBle: ok, that seems to mirror what I've seen. It's either Novell, RH, or Solaris and of course I don't run those by choice so it really wouldn't certify I can run them day to day |
| 03:39.51 | maney | deuce868: I have a set of LPI prep PDFs, but they're a bit old. 2002-ish |
| 03:40.01 | BoltActnAssault | when i try and list channels in mirc6.16, i get 0/0 channels. i the filter set to min 3 and max 9999 |
| 03:40.10 | Azar | so is just to assume taht all those people who just installed Sarge and come here with: my X is not running never installed / configured their video driver right? |
| 03:40.14 | deuce868 | maney: Thanks, I see IBM has some stuff online I am going to go through that first I guess. |
| 03:40.34 | strider | systemadmin_: just works, heh |
| 03:40.52 | deuce868 | of course the IBM links go to "The IBM developerWorks Web site is currently under maintenance." |
| 03:40.52 | strider | systemadmin_: dell 9300 you say? |
| 03:41.03 | systemadmin_ | strider, yup |
| 03:41.10 | systemadmin_ | strider, i am reading that you cannot |
| 03:41.19 | systemadmin_ | strider, but i like to try anyway |
| 03:41.39 | MrObvious | liable: I think tasksel is working :D> |
| 03:41.49 | Azar | Guerin: personally I installed "warge" and got my X and nvidia setups by hand (ofcourse using dpkg-reconfigure and nvidia one liner) |
| 03:42.06 | liable | warge? |
| 03:42.29 | Azar | I was looking at all those people who installed Sarge and thought Sarge installer fixes the video driver (installs it) automatically |
| 03:42.35 | strider | systemadmin_: yes, unfortunately http://www.digitaljim.org/linuxon9300/ |
| 03:42.45 | raden | in debian is all of apache ran in one directory instead of being scattered over the whgole filesystem ? |
| 03:42.46 | Azar | liable warge = woody>sarge installation |
| 03:42.56 | maney | deuce868: www.two14.net/~maney/LPI-prep-{1,2,3,4}.pdf |
| 03:43.10 | Azar | woody CD base install continued with / stable packages |
| 03:43.41 | jjazz | raden: It's not single-root, no. |
| 03:43.59 | raden | are all the config files in one place though ? |
| 03:44.15 | liable | yes, /etc/apache |
| 03:44.17 | jjazz | raden: yes |
| 03:44.25 | maney | or /etc/apache2 |
| 03:44.37 | strider | systemadmin_: it's always good to google for other people's pages and also check linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org |
| 03:44.45 | Guerin | heh, warge |
| 03:44.50 | raden | its that easy ? |
| 03:44.54 | raden | OMG |
| 03:44.59 | Guerin | LOLZ |
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| 03:45.08 | systemadmin_ | strider, yea i have been :) |
| 03:45.13 | raden | Guerin, you laugh now try to run apache2 on suse :( |
| 03:45.40 | Guerin | raden: what, you mean you don't love YAST? |
| 03:45.53 | raden | Hell no |
| 03:45.57 | strider | systemadmin_: gtg, anyway hope you get it all configured :) |
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| 03:46.11 | raden | everyhting was running and im like ill change something quick edited httpd.conf in yast and boom |
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| 03:46.21 | systemadmin_ | strider, thanks for yuor help |
| 03:46.41 | Guerin | raden: sacrilege! The Gnovell Ximians have been dispatched with a re-education program! |
| 03:46.52 | liable | heh |
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| 03:46.57 | britt | why would I get an error saying "file size limit reached"? It is a *HUGE* file but i need to copy it over. would split work in this case? |
| 03:47.36 | Guerin | britt: yeah. What filesystem, and how big is the file? |
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| 03:48.21 | britt | fat32 is the destination (it needs to be read by windows *SIGH*) and its 45GB. |
| 03:48.34 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:48.38 | Guerin | never going to happen |
| 03:48.41 | britt | it tar'd just fine (figures) but its giving me crap going back |
| 03:48.43 | jjazz | britt: You're scroood |
| 03:48.53 | liable | britt: sure, split it 23 time |
| 03:48.57 | liable | s |
| 03:49.06 | britt | split it into how small? 4GB files? |
| 03:49.13 | Guerin | less than 2GB |
| 03:49.21 | britt | well it gets to 4.someting GB |
| 03:49.25 | britt | 4.9 and it stops |
| 03:49.36 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 03:49.47 | Guerin | i think the 2gb limit is only for w9x/me actually |
| 03:49.48 | britt | Guerin: does that mean it'll do 4GB files |
| 03:49.54 | Guerin | britt: fgi |
| 03:50.01 | britt | ? |
| 03:50.18 | Azar | :) |
| 03:50.20 | jjazz | britt: It should be able to handle 4 GB files, but you won't be able to put them back together at the other end. |
| 03:50.26 | britt | copy? |
| 03:50.45 | britt | copy File1+file2+file3+file4 destination |
| 03:50.47 | maney | "While the FAT32 file system can support drives up to a standard theoretical size of 2 terabytes, (it 'can' be jury-rigged under Windows Millennium Edition to support partitions of up to 8 TB), Windows 2000 Professional and XP Professional cannot FORMAT a volume larger than 32 GB in size using their native FAT32 file system." |
| 03:50.59 | britt | duh! |
| 03:51.00 | jjazz | britt: Fat32 can't address files over 4 gigs, so you can't have a file on that filesystem. The problem isn't transfer. It's storage. |
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| 03:51.16 | britt | but it also has a NTFS partition |
| 03:51.22 | britt | but i cant write to NTFS from debian |
| 03:51.24 | britt | right? |
| 03:51.30 | BHSPitMonkey | got a problem, dudes |
| 03:51.39 | maney | britt: Windows is one unending problem <sigh> |
| 03:51.51 | liable | britt: you can look at ext2 with windows, get that program for the win boxen |
| 03:51.52 | BHSPitMonkey | I just did a minimal install, but left the bootloader alone because I already have lilo |
| 03:52.04 | maney | britt: maybe you could ftp (or etc) it over? |
| 03:52.09 | jjazz | britt: SAMBA |
| 03:52.11 | Azar | BHSPitMonkey: huh? |
| 03:52.13 | liable | britt: or share it with samba or something. |
| 03:52.23 | Azar | how come install with LILO preinstalled? |
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| 03:52.29 | BHSPitMonkey | now i'm in my primary distro, trying to add debian to lilo, but lilo can't find debian's kernel image |
| 03:52.34 | jjazz | britt: cygwin + rsync |
| 03:52.35 | britt | jjazz: maybe |
| 03:52.42 | britt | samba migth work |
| 03:52.47 | britt | i *KNOW* apache wont |
| 03:52.54 | britt | after 2GBs or so |
| 03:52.57 | Azar | BHSPitMonkey: you are confusing |
| 03:53.13 | BHSPitMonkey | Azar: I don't see how |
| 03:53.22 | maney | gotta love grub at times like that :-/ |
| 03:53.24 | Guerin | vsftpd/lftp will work |
| 03:53.30 | jjazz | britt: cygwin+rsync would be best because if it fails, at least you can resume. Plus, you start 4 gigs up. |
| 03:53.31 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:53.36 | Guerin | but you need a windows client |
| 03:53.37 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:53.40 | Azar | BHSPitMonkey: when you install Debian it comes WITH its bootloader of choice for you |
| 03:53.49 | BHSPitMonkey | Azar: I already have mandriva, redhat, and windows, Lilo is already installed |
| 03:53.53 | Azar | BHSPitMonkey: you do NOT add an OS to a bootloader |
| 03:53.58 | Azar | I dont care |
| 03:54.15 | BHSPitMonkey | I've done it before... |
| 03:54.15 | Azar | BHSPitMonkey: you install Debian with its bootloader |
| 03:54.20 | Azar | oh |
| 03:54.30 | liable | Azar: what the hell are you on about? |
| 03:54.31 | BHSPitMonkey | and you DO in my book |
| 03:54.35 | Azar | hmmm then I am a stupid newbie as usual |
| 03:54.36 | BHSPitMonkey | liable: thank you |
| 03:54.51 | BobDole | What program can I use to just plug a mic into my laptop and record what I am saying into ogg format? |
| 03:54.54 | bazz | i'm trying to set up a new system on unstable, but right toward the end of setting up all my pacakges i got tasksel aptitude failed, and if i do a dpkg --configure -a, whatever package it tries to config first, if it adds a group, gets groupadd: GID 103 is not unique (and there is a messagebus group at 103) and then dpkg fails.... ideas? |
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| 03:55.04 | Azar | BHSPitMonkey: I thought you want to install over another distro |
| 03:55.21 | BHSPitMonkey | so anyways... |
| 03:55.23 | britt | thanks to whoever mentioned ext3 for windows |
| 03:55.23 | BobDole | !tell bazz about unstable |
| 03:55.44 | bazz | BobDole: yeah okay, but you can usually get things working somehow |
| 03:55.45 | liable | BHSPitMonkey: you have edited lilo.conf and added the image? then run lilo? |
| 03:55.45 | BHSPitMonkey | I've mounted the partition with the new debian install, and found the vmlinuz file |
| 03:55.56 | BHSPitMonkey | liable: and it says fatal error, file not found |
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| 03:56.29 | BHSPitMonkey | tried both /vmlinuz and /boot/vmlinuz-2blahblah |
| 03:56.29 | liable | BHSPitMonkey: paste your lilo.conf and fdisk output somewhere |
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| 03:57.25 | maney | BHSPitLappy: you had the Debian install mounted, what about the other one? |
| 03:57.39 | BHSPitMonkey | other what? |
| 03:57.46 | maney | other non-running distro? |
| 03:57.48 | BHSPitMonkey | and I tried it with the FS unmounted |
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| 03:57.54 | BHSPitMonkey | maney: it's mounted... |
| 03:58.12 | BHSPitMonkey | http://pastebin.com/539579 |
| 03:58.23 | maney | lilo install has to be able to access all the files it's to install, but it sounds like you done that |
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| 03:58.45 | BHSPitMonkey | I wonder if lilo can't read reiserfs... |
| 03:59.02 | BHSPitMonkey | I formatted the debian root reiser, and it's the first time I've used that fs |
| 03:59.33 | maney | BHSPitLappy: lilo needs the as-mounted path |
| 04:00.01 | dn4 | how do I get apt-get to install the suggested and recommended packages |
| 04:00.16 | bazz | does dpkg maintain the next gid it should add somewhere? |
| 04:00.28 | BHSPitMonkey | maney: for all the other entries, the path is relative to their respective root partitions |
| 04:00.44 | BHSPitMonkey | maney: my mount path in the distro I'm in won't mean a thing to lilo |
| 04:01.22 | maney | BHSPitLappy: hmmm, maybe I misremember, then. I gave up lilo years ago and life has been much simpler since, especially for multiboots |
| 04:01.33 | BHSPitMonkey | :/ |
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| 04:02.28 | BHSPitMonkey | maney: can I get GRUB as pretty as lilo? :D |
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| 04:03.26 | maney | BHSPitMonkey: dunno. I don't remember lilo as being pretty |
| 04:03.40 | billatq | Ho hum. I'm looking for a tool that will essentially act as an input buffer for something like ssh for when I'm using slow connections. e.g. My latency is 2ms. I type something over ssh and it's another four seconds before I see it. I want something to cache my keystrokes so that i can see them and then send them at once. Anyone know of such a thing? |
| 04:03.44 | BHSPitMonkey | the lilo that came with mandriva is graphical |
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| 04:04.07 | maney | BHSPitLappy: guess not, then |
| 04:04.30 | billatq | (Patches to ssh, gnu screen, etc. would be appreciated as well, if someone happens to know of those) |
| 04:04.42 | BHSPitMonkey | maney: http://flashlinux.org.uk/screen-0.3/grub.jpg <- that would work :D |
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| 04:05.37 | BHSPitMonkey | brb |
| 04:05.38 | maney | BHSPitLappy: I don't know how they setup the background for that |
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| 04:06.21 | BHSPitLappy | there's one thing that lilo has that grub doesn't |
| 04:06.36 | Gnea | annoyances? |
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| 04:09.48 | dn4 | is there some cd burning software that will allow me to create bootable cds? |
| 04:10.26 | Gnea | dn4: k3b |
| 04:11.47 | BHSPitLappy | I meant the ability to choose the -next- entry to boot into |
| 04:11.57 | jjazz | billatq: You're asking for the impossible. Your client doesn't know what the keystroke does until after the roundtrip. So if you are in, say, mutt, and you hit 'c' to change mbox, your ssh client doesn't know not to display the character. |
| 04:11.58 | BHSPitLappy | tis kewl |
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| 04:12.41 | Azar | wow really? I did not know grub is so disabled |
| 04:12.44 | Gnea | BHSPitLappy: uhm, you press the down arrow once and press enter. |
| 04:12.52 | BHSPitLappy | Gnea: uh |
| 04:13.10 | Gnea | BHSPitLappy: careful how you word it :) |
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| 04:13.22 | ryan42 | heya |
| 04:13.27 | ryan42 | someone should help me :-P |
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| 04:13.36 | Azar | should , could, would |
| 04:13.39 | Gnea | ryan42: pay someone and yes, they should |
| 04:13.40 | MrObvious | uh |
| 04:13.40 | MrObvious | :p |
| 04:13.51 | ryan42 | I am trying to get Linux on my PPC |
| 04:13.55 | ryan42 | it's a nice PowerMac 5400 |
| 04:13.56 | Gnea | !ppc |
| 04:13.56 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 04:14.05 | ryan42 | 180 Mhz, 40 GB hard disk.... |
| 04:14.06 | TBBle | billatq: Your latency is 2ms, but it takes 4 seconds for the round-trip? Poor bastard! |
| 04:14.10 | Gnea | this is #debian |
| 04:14.13 | MrP | Azar: Thanks for the (simple) tip on running the dpkg-reconfigure. I completely forgot about it. I was able to get the mouse working |
| 04:14.15 | ryan42 | yeah |
| 04:14.21 | ryan42 | and I am using Debain's PPC distribution |
| 04:14.30 | Azar | MrP, nice you are welcome |
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| 04:14.38 | ronin | i think theres a ppc specific channelas i recall |
| 04:14.41 | raden | shouldnt document root be defined in httpd.conf ? |
| 04:14.46 | ryan42 | oh |
| 04:14.51 | MrP | Next question. What would cause the error: eth0: network is down, when you run dhclient? The cable is connected too :) |
| 04:14.54 | liable | ryan42: it is. |
| 04:14.54 | billatq | TBBle: Sorry, I wrote that wrong--I'd meant 2seconds, not ms |
| 04:15.06 | Azar | MrP I guess means it is down |
| 04:15.10 | ryan42 | #debainppc? |
| 04:15.15 | ryan42 | hardly anyone's ever alive there |
| 04:15.38 | billatq | jjazz: Well, not really. I just want a simple line buffer where it essentially pastes down text. I understand it wouldn't work with something like mutt, but the problem is mostly when I'm typing something into a shell |
| 04:15.39 | jjazz | raden: apache or apache2? |
| 04:15.44 | Azar | as a newbie, I do not remember much there is some command to restart, ifup, ifdown.. stuff like that |
| 04:15.44 | liable | ryan42: whats the problem anyway? |
| 04:15.44 | BHSPitLappy | maybe because you typed debainppc? |
| 04:15.54 | raden | jjazz, apache2 |
| 04:16.01 | ryan42 | huh? |
| 04:16.03 | ryan42 | ... |
| 04:16.04 | ryan42 | well |
| 04:16.05 | MrP | The connection is coming over a crossover cable connected to a windoze box that is sharing the connection on the other network adapter |
| 04:16.08 | jjazz | raden: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 04:16.12 | ryan42 | I installed and i apparantly don't have a bootloader |
| 04:16.18 | ryan42 | even though afaik quik installed just fine |
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| 04:16.29 | Mohua | !debain |
| 04:16.29 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 04:16.31 | ryan42 | i can boot from a floppy disk and it starts booting off my hard drive |
| 04:16.35 | ryan42 | and it hangs on starting syslogd |
| 04:16.40 | raden | jjazz, why thay change that ? |
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| 04:16.44 | Azar | MrP the only thing I remember someone kind in here pointed that my crosover cable was not quite a real crossover |
| 04:17.01 | MrP | The crossover cable works when I toss my laptop on this end |
| 04:17.20 | ryan42 | i'd hit control C |
| 04:17.36 | ryan42 | but my C key is making a 7 |
| 04:17.39 | jjazz | raden: Instead of monolithic config file, you can now have different profiles, which enables you to host more "sites" on one box. Or something like that. I don't get that fancy. |
| 04:17.46 | sifi-xz | is there any 3D-rendering packages avalible like Maya avalible except Inkscape? |
| 04:17.50 | Azar | MrP all I can tell you to look at: /etc/resolv.conf for DNS and /etc/network/interfaces for your IP setting |
| 04:18.03 | Azar | ... that's all I know |
| 04:18.04 | raden | jjazz, more confusing cause book duocuments i have again are useless :( |
| 04:18.20 | TBBle | sifi-xz: Inkscape does 3D rendering? Try blender, maybe. It's a modeller too. |
| 04:18.37 | jjazz | raden: I don't see how you can expect anything but confusion if you're following the wrong instruction manual. |
| 04:18.55 | jjazz | raden: There's documentation online, probably. |
| 04:18.56 | sifi-xz | TBBle, no, inkscape is just SVG, but I need a 3D-rendering packages, thx |
| 04:19.04 | raden | jjazz, reading it |
| 04:19.12 | raden | jjazz, im just sick of soo many changes latley |
| 04:19.16 | Azar | MrP after you edit those files there is a command, I forgot which, Guerin told me and me idiot I forgot , is for restarting interfaces |
| 04:19.25 | MrP | ifcongig down/up |
| 04:19.29 | jjazz | raden: So why not install apache instead of apache2. You don't have to change if you dont want to. |
| 04:19.29 | MrP | ifconfig* |
| 04:19.38 | MrP | That doesn't fix the problem |
| 04:19.41 | Azar | MrP nooo, ifup ifdown and restart |
| 04:19.48 | raden | jjazz, its just what goit installed |
| 04:19.56 | jjazz | raden: So uninstall it. |
| 04:19.57 | billatq | (On the earlier buffer thing--essentially I want a way to type things into screen's copy buffer directly and then paste them out) |
| 04:19.59 | jjazz | raden: And replace it. |
| 04:20.01 | Azar | mmm looking for it |
| 04:20.02 | MrP | Azar: What? |
| 04:20.04 | raden | jjazz, god idea |
| 04:20.05 | ryan42 | ah |
| 04:20.16 | ryan42 | i'm in a damn shell! :-) |
| 04:20.21 | MrP | ifconfig down brings the interface, and ifconfig up brings it back up |
| 04:20.27 | jjazz | billatq: I hear you. I don't know of a tool that does what you're looking for. |
| 04:20.51 | TBBle | sifi-xz: I've also had someone recommend Art Of Illusion or something, dunno if it's in Debian though. |
| 04:20.58 | billatq | jjazz: Hmm. Looks like you can do it with screen. c-a : stuff foo |
| 04:21.03 | billatq | foo |
| 04:21.06 | billatq | Woohoo |
| 04:21.13 | jjazz | billatq: And then how do you copy it out? |
| 04:21.27 | billatq | jjazz: Well, I basically tell screen "type this" |
| 04:21.33 | billatq | So I can see what I'm typing and then it sends it all at once |
| 04:21.56 | sifi-xz | TBBle, ah, well I guess GNU/Linux has not come to the deep 3D stage yet like OS X |
| 04:22.06 | billatq | (stuff throws it in the paste buffer and then makes it come out) |
| 04:22.10 | epsilon | I get unaccepted date error on: date -d "1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC -1 seconds" |
| 04:22.12 | BucWheat | i have www-data ALL = /sbin/shutdown in /etc/sudoers and when my script runs i get permission denied and www-data is running the script |
| 04:22.20 | epsilon | is this supposed to be so, or a bug? |
| 04:22.21 | BucWheat | what have i done wrong? |
| 04:22.23 | billatq | So basically I just need a key binding for that and I'LL BE SET |
| 04:22.32 | BucWheat | in my script i have exec("shutdown -h now 0"); |
| 04:22.32 | billatq | (Ah, oops, accidentally typed in caps) |
| 04:22.48 | billatq | jjazz: Really? It's just command a, then immediately hit colon |
| 04:23.00 | billatq | Then type "stuff" and the text you want after it (no quotes) |
| 04:23.00 | ryan42 | is there any way i can nuke a /dev/hda1? |
| 04:23.01 | jjazz | billatq: Ah... you're running screen locally? I'm running it on the other end. |
| 04:23.09 | billatq | Ah |
| 04:23.10 | ryan42 | just kill it from teh partition table without affecting anything else? |
| 04:23.16 | billatq | (well, nested screens) |
| 04:23.21 | jjazz | billatq: Ah, there got it. |
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| 04:23.33 | Azar | MrP ifdown eth0 > edit /etc/network/interfaces > ifup eth0 |
| 04:23.49 | billatq | Cool |
| 04:24.08 | jjazz | I love screen |
| 04:24.24 | billatq | Yeah, definitely the terminal swiss army knife :) |
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| 04:28.34 | benplaut | is there a (text, of course) livecd with the debian partitioner on it? it's my favorite partitioner, but installing isn't always what i'm trying to do :P |
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| 04:28.55 | systemadmin | does kde have a session manger? i need to run something one startup |
| 04:29.01 | llama32 | anyone know of something like Allegro (portable, graphics, sound and input) but not allegro? |
| 04:29.15 | systemadmin | ess? |
| 04:29.38 | Barton | Can someone help me with a problem I'm having? I'm using the unstable repos, but for some reason I'm still at KDE 3.3, instead of 3.5.1 |
| 04:29.43 | TBBle | sifi-xz: What's OS-X got that we're missing? |
| 04:30.19 | sifi-xz | TBBle, a lot of multimedia application afaik |
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| 04:30.45 | TBBle | sifi-xz: Well, get your skates on, your favorite IDE out, and start producing 'em. ^_^ |
| 04:30.46 | jeffrin | hello |
| 04:30.57 | Barton | I've done apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 04:31.14 | Barton | Looks like it's holding it back.... why? |
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| 04:31.53 | sifi-xz | TBBle, hehe, yes, everybofy got a chance so why not take it =) |
| 04:32.02 | britt | does dual-screen work (GeFroce 5900XT) under debian? |
| 04:32.27 | jeffrin | what is the kernel module that must be on inorder to get /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 04:35.12 | jcole_home | jeffrin: that's a broad question |
| 04:35.20 | TBBle | jeffrin: usbserial I think |
| 04:35.53 | jcole_home | jeffrin: TBBle is right |
| 04:35.55 | TBBle | Barton: apt-get install it, and it should become clear why it's holding it back. |
| 04:35.59 | dn4 | where is the boot.img stored on the cdrom? |
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| 04:36.59 | jcole_home | jeffrin: modprobe usbserial |
| 04:37.50 | dn4 | found it :) |
| 04:37.53 | dn4 | the boot image that is |
| 04:38.02 | jcole_home | jeffrin: what device? |
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| 04:39.06 | systemadmin | BobDole, you here? |
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| 04:39.21 | jcole_home | irc needs an images and webcam implementation |
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| 04:39.40 | jeffrin | usb dongle |
| 04:39.54 | jcole_home | jeffrin: ethernet card? |
| 04:40.22 | jcole_home | jeffrin: lsusb |
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| 04:41.40 | jeffrin | usb infrared adapter |
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| 04:42.44 | jeffrin | in make menuconfig where is usbserial found |
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| 04:43.41 | TBBle | jeffrin: Prolly under character devices, if USB support is enabled. |
| 04:43.45 | jcole_home | jeffrin: "modprobe irda-usb" or "modprobe ir-usb" |
| 04:46.06 | SperMite | how do i get my joystick to work shouldnt it be auto compiled in kernel? |
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| 04:46.30 | jeffrin | under character devices there is a section called serial drivers |
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| 04:47.17 | jcole_home | SperMite: apt-get install joystick |
| 04:47.40 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.45 | jcole_home | SperMite: do a "dmesg" to check if the joystick was detected |
| 04:47.52 | britt | does linux support dual-monitors |
| 04:47.53 | britt | ? |
| 04:48.01 | SperMite | odla yes usb |
| 04:48.06 | jcole_home | britt: xinerama |
| 04:48.30 | odla | SperMite: yeah..run a dmesg to see if it's recognized |
| 04:48.33 | britt | i mean on desktop and everything, not just in xine |
| 04:48.33 | jcole_home | britt: not linux, X windows supports multiple monitors |
| 04:48.56 | odla | mine is at /dev/input/joy |
| 04:49.11 | britt | jcole_home: does geforce cards need a custom driver, or is the stock one work |
| 04:49.12 | jcole_home | britt: xinerama has nothing to do with xine |
| 04:49.21 | MrP | What kernel do the majority of you guys run? |
| 04:49.40 | odla | MrP: the 686 default etch kernel |
| 04:50.02 | MrP | Here I thought I had upgraded my linux box to 2.6.x, but it was my laptop. So I need to figure out what to jump up to |
| 04:50.12 | TBBle | Default unstable kernel for whatever architecture I'm using, except on servers where it's stable's kernel. |
| 04:50.19 | MrP | This big bad beast is still running 2.4 after all lol |
| 04:50.23 | odla | MrP: sarge uses 2.6.8 |
| 04:50.26 | odla | etch is at 2.6.12 |
| 04:50.45 | MrP | Is etch the new "testing"? |
| 04:50.53 | odla | MrP: yup |
| 04:50.55 | jcole_home | britt: no |
| 04:50.59 | jeffrin | i lost my grub screen on bootup tried grub setup (hd0) , but not getting it back |
| 04:51.07 | MrP | odla: it relatively stable? |
| 04:51.15 | MrP | heh, that's an oxymoron |
| 04:51.20 | dn4 | jeffrin, I hate whent hat happens |
| 04:51.35 | britt | jcole_home: so installing xinerama makes dual-head VGA cards work? |
| 04:51.38 | duxbarak | is there a way to install .deb's from a usb drive using apt-get? |
| 04:51.40 | jcole_home | britt: they have special/extra options (just like nay other card)... google is your friend :) |
| 04:51.53 | yonkeltron | is it better to have testing in your sources.list or etch? |
| 04:52.23 | britt | jcole_home: good point |
| 04:52.29 | markybob | duxbarak: if you have the debs, then use dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 04:52.48 | odla | MrP: relatively...less than stable more than unstable |
| 04:52.56 | duxbarak | ok, thanks |
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| 04:53.10 | MrP | Is there a good quick tutorial/writeup on updating from 2.4 to 2.6.x? I've been out of the game for too long |
| 04:53.21 | duxbarak | does that still check dependancies and all that? |
| 04:53.21 | odla | MrP: sarge? |
| 04:53.23 | SperMite | odla nope dont see joystick anywhere in dmesg |
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| 04:53.40 | MrP | odla: Sorry, to etch |
| 04:53.43 | odla | SperMite: sounds like it's not supported...you might need to go find some drivers |
| 04:53.53 | odla | MrP: you want to upgrade to etch? |
| 04:54.01 | MrP | Yes sir |
| 04:54.02 | jcole_home | SperMite: tail -f /var/log/messages & |
| 04:54.15 | MrP | Atleast into the 2.6.x world. Whatever is universally recommended I guess |
| 04:54.18 | jcole_home | SperMite: (unplug then plug in joystcik) |
| 04:54.29 | odla | MrP: sarge uses 2.6 |
| 04:54.38 | odla | MrP: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 04:55.18 | jcole_home | SperMite: lspci and/or lsusb to see if it's there |
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| 04:55.45 | odla | SperMite: also you can run jstest |
| 04:55.50 | MrP | Isn't there more to it than that? I could swear I had to edit apt's config or something when I did the laptop last year |
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| 04:56.02 | odla | MrP: not to just install a 2.6.x kernel |
| 04:56.06 | odla | MrP: to upgrade yes |
| 04:56.28 | jcole_home | MrP: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:56.56 | SperMite | i got a Feb 4 23:55:06 localhost kernel: input: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [GreenAsia Inc. USB Joystick ] on usb-0000:00:1d.3-1 |
| 04:57.12 | odla | SperMite: well that's good |
| 04:57.12 | SperMite | joydev: already loaded |
| 04:57.16 | jcole_home | SperMite: beautiful... jscal |
| 04:57.19 | MrP | jcole_home, is that all the process entails? I don't want to run a command, and then find out that I needed to do more in order for it to work or whatnot :) |
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| 04:57.32 | odla | SperMite: what are you trying to use your joystick with? |
| 04:57.43 | SperMite | zsnes |
| 04:57.50 | jcole_home | SperMite: jscal will calibrate |
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| 04:57.57 | odla | SperMite: run zsnes from the terminal and see if it recognizes it |
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| 04:58.19 | Phated | MrP: Well, you need to have etch in your list, or testing, at least, then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 04:58.36 | MrP | ok |
| 04:58.39 | MrP | Thanks |
| 04:58.50 | mattwestm | I have an ATI Radeon 7500, which driver should I use on the install process? |
| 04:58.55 | mattwestm | ati or vesa? |
| 04:58.59 | deadcat_ | ati |
| 04:59.14 | SperMite | jcole_home is jscal in package? or it a module i need? |
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| 04:59.58 | jcole_home | mattwestm: apt-get install module-assistant <--- run module-assistant and compile the ati kernel module |
| 05:00.11 | odla | SperMite: you might need to install jscalibrator |
| 05:00.24 | mattwestm | oh, this is during the install, I can't get to a terminal yet |
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| 05:01.45 | jcole_home | SperMite: apt-get install joystick <--- has jscal in it |
| 05:01.46 | deadcat_ | mattwestm: just alt+f2 and modprobe radeon |
| 05:02.07 | deadcat_ | mattwestm: your kernel MIGHT have radeon driver i think. |
| 05:02.21 | odla | SperMite: when you start zsnes from the terminal does it tell you it recognizes your joystick? |
| 05:02.37 | jcole_home | SperMite: no need for a module |
| 05:02.58 | SperMite | odla no |
| 05:03.27 | jcole_home | mattwestm: the ati module is something like "fgrlx" |
| 05:04.08 | jeffrin | i lost by grub at boot up |
| 05:04.14 | SperMite | odla i mean yes it reads the joystick |
| 05:04.18 | mattwestm | will an FTP install automatically install the latest kernel? |
| 05:04.29 | odla | SperMite: then configure it using zsnes if it recognizes |
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| 05:04.48 | odla | SperMite: i dont' have to calibrate my usb joystick with jscal to use it for zsnes |
| 05:05.06 | jcole_home | mattwestm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <--- autodetect will select the right X module for you :) |
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| 05:05.20 | odla | SperMite: click config, input #1, click joystick and set keys |
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| 05:05.44 | deadcat_ | mattwestm: at the boot prompt, type linux26 to get a linux 2.6 kernel at least. |
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| 05:06.00 | romulo | how can i discover if anything is using my sound card? |
| 05:06.08 | SperMite | odla thats what I been trying to do. but for some reason its not reading the buttons i press down |
| 05:06.14 | jcole_home | romulo: lsof | grep dsp |
| 05:06.16 | Gnea | lsof | grep dsp |
| 05:06.18 | romulo | i play a sound and it says it is playing but theres no sound output on my notebook |
| 05:06.24 | jcole_home | Gnea: heh |
| 05:06.27 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:06.42 | odla | SperMite: hmm...well then try jscal |
| 05:09.06 | SperMite | what device do i put down? |
| 05:09.26 | SperMite | jscal -c <device> |
| 05:09.28 | Phated | romulo: Volume? |
| 05:10.54 | mattwestm | does anyone know of a scheme compiler? |
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| 05:13.23 | epsilon | how can I convert date to unixtime? |
| 05:14.00 | Phated | epsilon: date +%s |
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| 05:15.06 | Newck | is there a way to initiate magic sysrq from an ssh'd shell? |
| 05:15.30 | mattwestm | umm, where do I change the monitor type? |
| 05:15.44 | Newck | somehow every program on this machine is segfaulting |
| 05:15.57 | Newck | but currently i have a root shell open with mc running |
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| 05:16.52 | epsilon | Phated: thx :) |
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| 05:17.00 | Phated | :) |
| 05:17.13 | mattwestm | where do I change the monitor type? |
| 05:17.25 | epsilon | I wish "date -d" had better documentation |
| 05:17.33 | Phated | Eh? man date :) |
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| 05:17.54 | konfuzed | mattwestm: to what, from what |
| 05:17.54 | epsilon | not really |
| 05:18.28 | epsilon | "-d, --date=STRING display time described by STRING, not `now'" <-- that's all |
| 05:18.58 | Phated | epsilon: Maybe if you read more than the first page. :) |
| 05:18.58 | mattwestm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.34 | Nurbs | epsilon: info date will give you more sucky documentation |
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| 05:21.20 | mattwestm | how do I upgrade the kernel using apt-get? |
| 05:21.39 | Azar | mattwestm: what cpu are you using? |
| 05:21.55 | mattwestm | x86, Pentium M |
| 05:21.58 | MacSlow | Once again... will it be sufficient to state only the -dev package-names of the used libraries under Build-Depends: in the control file? |
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| 05:22.31 | redcliffe | hi - since i've upgraded to the firefox 1.5 packages java and other plugins don't appear in my browser |
| 05:22.45 | redcliffe | they sometimes work and can play audio, but thye just display as a white box |
| 05:22.49 | redcliffe | anyone seen that problem? |
| 05:22.54 | konfuzed | mattwestm: theres a dpkg -reconfigure-xorg or some thing close to that for edoing your monitor config |
| 05:23.14 | Nurbs | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg probably |
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| 05:23.18 | mattwestm | is there a gui like Fedora has? |
| 05:23.33 | thompa | gnome is |
| 05:23.39 | Azar | mattwestm: type apt-cache search kernel-image and you will see a list. If you run Sarge you want to get the 2.6.8(for your cpu type) will be something SIMILAR with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 (SIMILAR, not same). The do aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8(yourcputype) |
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| 05:24.15 | mattwestm | how do I update gnome using apt-get then? |
| 05:24.48 | starfishy | apt-get install gnome |
| 05:24.55 | deadcat_ | mattwestm: gnome is pretty old, even if you use testing or unstable |
| 05:24.57 | starfishy | if gnome is installed it will be updated |
| 05:25.16 | Azar | ah he runs unstable? BAH |
| 05:25.47 | Azar | mattwestm: if you run testing or unstable disregard what I told you ^^^^^^^ |
| 05:25.48 | MacSlow | Or do I have to state both the library's main package-name (e.g libgtk2.0-0) and its development part (e.g. libgtk2.0-dev). |
| 05:26.20 | mattwestm | well, this is the older gnome, with applications and actions. Is it possible to get the newer style? |
| 05:27.04 | deadcat_ | i am drinking jello mix+water (before it becomes jello) it wont become jello inside me right? (= |
| 05:27.12 | Phated | Naw :) |
| 05:27.17 | deadcat_ | good (= |
| 05:27.24 | deadcat_ | dont want to wait hahah |
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| 05:27.35 | jjazz | deadcat_: It might, and then we'll make you do the truffle shuffle. |
| 05:27.46 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:27.46 | deadcat_ | jjazz: hehe |
| 05:27.56 | Azar | wiggle for us please |
| 05:28.01 | jjazz | deadcat_: What does it taste like? I imagine it's just sugar water. |
| 05:28.08 | SerajewelKS | deadcat_: i think it would be moving around too much to solidify |
| 05:28.14 | deadcat_ | jjazz: the green one is pretty sweet.. |
| 05:28.28 | SerajewelKS | deadcat_: plus the tempurature would keep it liquid |
| 05:28.35 | deadcat_ | SerajewelKS: ya. and that too. |
| 05:28.57 | jjazz | deadcat_: If you dropped dead in a snow bank right now, it might turn to jello. |
| 05:29.05 | SerajewelKS | where are we, #food-chemistry? |
| 05:29.11 | konfuzed | deadcat_: its just easier to absorb the silica before solidified |
| 05:29.12 | deadcat | jae: hahah |
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| 05:29.35 | jjazz | deadcat: They'd autopsy you and wonder how your innards got filled with one giant lump of jello. |
| 05:29.36 | konfuzed | ah #food-chemistry I gotta check that out, somebody there should know about theobroma |
| 05:29.39 | deadcat | konfuzed: i just dont want to wait till it gets solidified. |
| 05:29.40 | Phated | Fabulous post-mortem - "Subject seems... to be filled with jello?" |
| 05:29.59 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 05:30.02 | SerajewelKS | Phated: "the blob got him!" |
| 05:30.09 | Phated | Hqahah. |
| 05:30.18 | deadcat | jjazz: sell them the script (= |
| 05:30.18 | jjazz | or maybe CSI |
| 05:30.28 | Phated | Nah, CSI: Alaska ;) |
| 05:30.29 | zethreth | I looking for a program that can tell me info about window locations and size on the desktop. |
| 05:30.32 | deadcat | HAHAH |
| 05:30.33 | mattwestm | so, is it not possible to use the newer style of gnome? |
| 05:30.40 | SerajewelKS | apt-get install jello water |
| 05:30.46 | deadcat | mattwestm: apt-cache search gtk2-engines |
| 05:31.27 | konfuzed | oh good the child process optd to go to sleep |
| 05:32.39 | zethreth | I've used a simular program before that was more then enough |
| 05:32.54 | zethreth | told me all kind of info |
| 05:33.13 | zethreth | I thought it was in xutils |
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| 05:35.37 | ice_1963 | i know kde 3.5 was going to in etch :0) |
| 05:36.39 | BHSPitLappy | could someone pastebin me an up-to-date debian grub entry? |
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| 05:38.32 | dogmeat | after ssh -X into a host, how can i start a gtk2 app without having the window display on my host? |
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| 05:39.32 | BHSPitLappy | don't have an X tunnel? |
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| 05:40.04 | dogmeat | no, i have an X tunnel. for example, if i do xterm, the xterm window will pop up. how can i disallow the window from popping up on my screen, but still start the app? |
| 05:40.07 | zethreth | this program would tell me key strokes, mouse clicks, geometry, placement... |
| 05:40.24 | Phated | Oh - xev? |
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| 05:41.22 | x3n0 | zinx: still around? |
| 05:41.28 | thechris | i am having issues installing debian. my HDD is SATA and the installer can't see it. |
| 05:41.30 | zethreth | thats it |
| 05:41.44 | thechris | default netinstall image from debian.org that is |
| 05:41.45 | zethreth | thank you Phated |
| 05:41.49 | Phated | zethreth: No problem. |
| 05:42.53 | jml6 | Hi, what packages do I need in addition to a sarge base-system installation in order to install wifi drivers? I know I need kernel headers, im sure there will be other dependencies... |
| 05:43.09 | x3n0 | can i get help? I installed a backport for xfree86 to xorg update and it screwed up my display so i need to go back to xfree86 i did the apt-get install xserver-xfree86 but it says it wasnt upgraded, that its already the newest version, what do i need ot do to uninstall xorg and reinstall xfree86? |
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| 05:44.44 | deadcat | dogmeat: make your DISPLAY= whatever your X is on the remote host |
| 05:45.25 | dogmeat | deadcat: thanks will try |
| 05:45.38 | Makro | ahmm.. any graphical tool for start/stop services? |
| 05:45.59 | thechris | what can i do to install debian on my pc? no HDDs are found by the installer! |
| 05:46.03 | deadcat | Makro: no how hard is it to type /etc/init.d/blah restart ? |
| 05:46.22 | deadcat | thechris: make sure it can be found. or put a hdd in there |
| 05:46.24 | dogmeat | deadcat: said 'xterm Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:0.0' |
| 05:46.37 | x3n0 | thechris: you have to partition a space if you only have one hdd or add in another hdd |
| 05:46.54 | deadcat | dogmeat: you sure the remote machine is running X right? |
| 05:46.55 | thechris | deadcat, explain more. the drive is there, debain just doesnt know it. |
| 05:47.03 | deadcat | thechris: what drive? |
| 05:47.11 | thechris | x3n0, no, i mean the installer doesn't detect a drive at all |
| 05:47.21 | thechris | deadcat, SATA, 250GB drive |
| 05:47.30 | deadcat | i know nothing about sata |
| 05:47.36 | x3n0 | thechris thats your problem :/ i think you have to key in something for sata |
| 05:48.02 | x3n0 | can i get help? I installed a backport for xfree86 to xorg update and it screwed up my display so i need to go back to xfree86 i did the apt-get install xserver-xfree86 but it says it wasnt upgraded, that its already the newest version, what do i need ot do to uninstall xorg and reinstall xfree86? |
| 05:48.18 | thechris | x3n0, hmm. any "tell thechris about sata" things in this channel |
| 05:48.29 | dogmeat | deadcat: i don't see X running on the process list. is there a way to run xterm without it opening up a window? |
| 05:48.45 | x3n0 | thechris sorry i dont know much about installing a sata hdd :( |
| 05:49.03 | deadcat | dogmeat: you want to run gtk2 apps on the remote machine BUT you dont have X running on the remote machine? |
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| 05:49.58 | Azar | thechris: I heard that SATA is only supported on a higher kernel with the testing distro |
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| 05:50.03 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.10 | nano_ | are there commands or packages that can tell me my hardware informations? |
| 05:50.13 | dogmeat | deadcat: i want to run gtk2 apps, but not have any X or gtk2 windows open at all. the app basically prints stuff to stdout, then exits, but since the app is in a window, i can't run it from a perl script. |
| 05:50.23 | deadcat | dogmeat: cant |
| 05:50.36 | x3n0 | does grep search all files? |
| 05:50.44 | konfuzed | nano-: dmesg but that covers more than your hardware |
| 05:51.02 | deadcat | dogmeat: x apps requires X server, unless you just use -X, but that doesnt seem to be what you want. |
| 05:51.14 | thechris | Azar, hmm. i've tried etch before and the install failed |
| 05:51.16 | deadcat | dogmeat: you might want a vncserver |
| 05:51.47 | dogmeat | deadcat: the main problem i have is that when the window opens, it requires me to place it on my desktop via wireframe. |
| 05:52.06 | Azar | thechris: is your HD a SATA or IDE? (I am asking because I had a box with a sata-capability but the HD was IDE) |
| 05:52.34 | x3n0 | Azar can you help me? |
| 05:52.41 | xerophyte | thx |
| 05:52.59 | Phated | Heh, deadcat talks to dogmeat. *chuckle* |
| 05:53.05 | thechris | Azar, my case only has a slot for 1 HDD, and it is SATA |
| 05:53.06 | Azar | thechris: I had to go in BIOS and disable SATA there, that why I was thinking maybe you could use an IDE and disable SATA |
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| 05:53.17 | deadcat | Phated: thats what i was thinking too (= |
| 05:53.18 | just1primate | ok...I am totally f---ing puzzled |
| 05:53.27 | just1primate | I had my machine tweaked... |
| 05:53.32 | thechris | Azar, sadly, i cannot swap out to a PATA drive, it has to be SATA |
| 05:53.36 | x3n0 | thechris; do you have an ide hdd installed AND a sata drive? |
| 05:53.38 | just1primate | then...I installed Gnome.... |
| 05:53.43 | nano_ | thanks |
| 05:53.50 | just1primate | seemed to have killed my dhcp client |
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| 05:53.53 | Azar | thechris: I am allways for the stable and if you want to use sata you will have lots of work researching and custom installing... headache |
| 05:53.55 | just1primate | any ideas why |
| 05:53.59 | x3n0 | can i get help? I installed a backport for xfree86 to xorg update and it screwed up my display so i need to go back to xfree86 i did the apt-get install xserver-xfree86 but it says it wasnt upgraded, that its already the newest version, what do i need ot do to uninstall xorg and reinstall xfree86? |
| 05:54.07 | thechris | x3n0, no, i only have 1 drive, a SATA drive. debian does not detect it. i cannot put a second HDD in the case. |
| 05:54.16 | Azar | x3n0: sorry I am not able to unscrew you |
| 05:54.27 | konfuzed | just1primate: act of god |
| 05:54.37 | just1primate | konfuzed: heh |
| 05:54.43 | x3n0 | azar: do can you help me install xfree86? |
| 05:54.45 | just1primate | has anyone heard of this issue? |
| 05:54.53 | just1primate | btw, it was after an upgrade to testing |
| 05:54.55 | Azar | x3n0: sorry I do not know |
| 05:55.05 | konfuzed | just1primate: see if this corrects your problem though ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 |
| 05:55.08 | thechris | Azar, yeah, i figured it would work. i'm trying to move away from gentoo, and ubuntu was really unstable. I wanted to try debian, but it seems i may have to look elsewhere |
| 05:55.20 | x3n0 | Azar: when you apt-get where does it download to |
| 05:55.24 | just1primate | konfuzed: been through all that..100 times. |
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| 05:55.35 | Azar | thechris: all I heard is that you need a higher kernel, like 2.6.14 or so... in etch more than that I do not know |
| 05:55.40 | just1primate | just tries to get dhcp....and tries..and hangs...and tries |
| 05:55.45 | konfuzed | just1primate: oh upgrade to testing, perhaps one of the networking comments is still in testing |
| 05:55.58 | merlincorey | more general linux but I'm working on a debian system so I thought I'd try here first; I have to build something for another system on another distrobution (just making a binary, basically) and I was wondering what sort of things I have to watch out for, such as I am on 2.6 kernel and the target machine is 2.4 and I don't know what version of libstdc it has, etc... if anyone could shed some light or point me in the right direction I would much apprecia |
| 05:56.15 | Azar | x3n0: sorry I am running Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel and xfree86 I have no idea about etch and xorg stuff |
| 05:56.15 | konfuzed | just1primate: is it by chance on board eth done by NVidia |
| 05:56.50 | just1primate | konfuzed: well the eth0 is a 3com, but I do have an nvidia geforce AGP card |
| 05:56.52 | thechris | Azar, do you know if testing is stable enough for use? or if it'll be worse then ubuntu? |
| 05:56.57 | just1primate | neither are on board |
| 05:56.58 | konfuzed | just1primate: no doubt you rebooted your dlink router |
| 05:57.05 | merlincorey | thechris: what kind of use |
| 05:57.12 | Azar | x3n0: all I can tell you is that I would be so screwed, I would reinstall and stay nicely in Sarge with xfree86... |
| 05:57.18 | just1primate | konfused: dlink router? |
| 05:57.37 | konfuzed | just1primate: what is handing out the dhcp |
| 05:57.51 | x3n0 | Does anyone know where the files you go when you do a 'apt-get install xx' |
| 05:57.53 | just1primate | konfuzed: cable modem direct connection to eth0 |
| 05:57.54 | Azar | thechris: testing might not live long on you if you do not know what to do to fix screwups |
| 05:58.12 | just1primate | it all works dandy, until through some combination of these events happens |
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| 05:58.20 | jjazz | x3n0: /var/cache/apt/archive or somesuch |
| 05:58.23 | just1primate | nvidia drivers, gnome, upgrade to testing |
| 05:58.25 | thechris | merlincorey, i require the ability to run 2 x sessions, nvidia, cedega, firefox, sata..., shfs, and xfce |
| 05:58.31 | Azar | thechris: all I can tell you if you insist on using SATA, wait until the end of the year hoping etch comes out stable |
| 05:58.54 | konfuzed | Azar: really, that's kinda sad |
| 05:58.54 | just1primate | somtheing in that cocktail is EVIL |
| 05:59.00 | merlincorey | thechris: basically, stable is for when you need stability, such as on a production server; generally, if you are running a desktop for personal use, testing is fine, as long as you understand it is testing and occasionally things WILL break |
| 05:59.15 | Azar | konfuzed: well I am happy with my IDE HD running stable, I have all I want on it |
| 05:59.28 | just1primate | I have tried backtesting it...install one, not the other...install two and not the other |
| 05:59.32 | thechris | Azar, well, minor things i can fix. right now in ubunutu, it seems to go haywire daily where X just won't run, and ssh messes up... |
| 05:59.36 | just1primate | cant seem to tie it down |
| 05:59.41 | konfuzed | just1primate: have you tried hard coded network card settings - static |
| 05:59.46 | jjazz | thechris: Ubuntu is like running a mix of unstable and testing |
| 05:59.49 | Azar | the Debian install clearly suggests moderation in hardware: the latest will NOT go with Stable |
| 05:59.49 | just1primate | konfuzed: yes |
| 05:59.51 | merlincorey | thechris: also, stable receives security updates from the debian security team, and IIRC, testing does not so you will have to watch out for certain things as packages don't move from unstable to testing until they are bug-less for 2 weeks |
| 05:59.55 | just1primate | eth0 is dhcp |
| 06:00.10 | just1primate | eth1 is static, and shares internet via ipmasq with debian laptop |
| 06:00.14 | konfuzed | Azar: yeah but it would be near pointless to buy SATA drives is what you're saying. Well if you want them to work in linux anyway |
| 06:00.16 | thechris | merlincorey, is it possible to install testing, then move to "stable" when testing moves to "stable"? |
| 06:00.16 | x3n0 | jjazz: can you help me install a deb package? |
| 06:00.25 | Azar | konfuzed: so? don't buy them |
| 06:00.45 | konfuzed | i want to sell them included in the box |
| 06:01.01 | Azar | well sell them with mswindows preinstalled |
| 06:01.04 | jjazz | x3n0: apt-get install foo |
| 06:01.06 | thechris | konfuzed, well, sata works in pretty much every distro except debian-stable. |
| 06:01.07 | just1primate | again, all worked fine until after gnome |
| 06:01.17 | konfuzed | what |
| 06:01.20 | just1primate | I think though, that udev may be the culprit |
| 06:01.42 | konfuzed | everything under the sun runs SATA except debian-stable??? |
| 06:01.48 | merlincorey | thechris: yes, you can by using the name of the distrobution in your sources (instead of "testing" alias) - but don't hold your breath as things take a while to go from testing to stable (I think it was over two years for the last one) |
| 06:01.52 | x3n0 | jjazz: error couldntfind package... |
| 06:01.56 | Azar | thechris: the issue is that you have to directly install etch with a kernel that supports sata |
| 06:02.07 | jjazz | x3n0: Then you have the wrong package name. |
| 06:02.08 | konfuzed | oh well if thats all |
| 06:02.20 | konfuzed | i can make that happen if thats what it takes |
| 06:02.42 | x3n0 | jjazz: it says it is already the newest version tho 65 not upgraded |
| 06:02.46 | thechris | Azar, you don't think the kernel included with etch will work? |
| 06:02.56 | just1primate | you know, despite the little glitchy things, Debian is still the BEST F-ING OS out there |
| 06:03.01 | jjazz | x3n0: then you're done. |
| 06:03.13 | x3n0 | jjazz: how do i uninstall a package? |
| 06:03.20 | jjazz | x3n0: man apt-get |
| 06:03.25 | Azar | thechris: I do not know but you might want to research linux 2.6.12 see if it supports, if not research for 2.6.14 |
| 06:03.31 | just1primate | x3n0:rtfm |
| 06:03.33 | x3n0 | jjazz: lol |
| 06:03.38 | x3n0 | just1primate: lol |
| 06:03.40 | x3n0 | thx |
| 06:03.54 | konfuzed | just1primate: have you rerun the network setup , on the other hand that might not be good for the ipmasq on eth1 |
| 06:04.00 | just1primate | apt-get removve this crap from my pc --now |
| 06:04.05 | nano_ | still can't find my motherboard info by using dmesg, does anyone know how? |
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| 06:04.29 | just1primate | konfused: yeah..been there done that |
| 06:04.37 | jjazz | nano_: Open up the box, find the mobo name and model. Ask google. |
| 06:04.40 | just1primate | there is something with that combo |
| 06:04.44 | Azar | thechris: word goes that there is a beta etch installer somewhere |
| 06:05.05 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/sata-modules-2.6.12-1-386-di |
| 06:05.20 | thechris | Azar, ubuntu 5.10 uses 2.6.12 and works with sata, so i'm hopeful it will at least get past this point |
| 06:05.25 | Azar | thechris: Intel or AMD? |
| 06:05.37 | thechris | Azar, amd, using sata-uli |
| 06:05.45 | x3n0 | How do you setup to use xfree86 over xorg? |
| 06:05.47 | just1primate | sata=satan |
| 06:05.48 | konfuzed | nano what motherboard info are you looking for?? |
| 06:06.10 | konfuzed | nano_: on most systems DEL or F10 or such things will give you your motherboard info |
| 06:06.16 | nano_ | konfused: just basic info, like brand and model |
| 06:06.18 | konfuzed | or do you just want the model number? |
| 06:06.39 | nano_ | i don't have the box with me right now, but i can ssh it |
| 06:07.24 | konfuzed | just1primate: as a bit of a stretch can you undo the ipmasq setup on eth1 leave it off and then do the network setup for eth0 only |
| 06:07.25 | jjazz | nano_: AFAIK, mobo name/model aren't available beyond pretty early in the boot sequence. |
| 06:07.30 | thechris | i hope firefox finishes downloading before X dies on me... |
| 06:07.34 | thechris | i hate ubuntu... |
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| 06:07.41 | konfuzed | you may get the config tweak problem cleaned up |
| 06:07.49 | hatake_kakashi | thechris: which version? |
| 06:08.02 | just1primate | konfuzed: did that as well...same issue, but that time, it was intermittant |
| 06:08.12 | just1primate | *theows hands up in air* |
| 06:08.15 | just1primate | oh well |
| 06:08.28 | BHSPitLappy | could someone pastebin me an up-to-date debian grub entry? |
| 06:08.35 | just1primate | solution: dont install Gnome |
| 06:08.38 | just1primate | heh |
| 06:08.44 | thechris | hatake_kakashi, ubunutu 5.10 seems to crash X everytime a download a file in firefox. its just coincidence, but annoying... |
| 06:08.45 | just1primate | seems to fix the problem |
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| 06:09.21 | Azar | thechris: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html << read this |
| 06:09.25 | konfuzed | just1primate: Gnome has nothing to do with your net work settings but are you saying you've now unisntalled gnome and your eth0 gets dhcp again |
| 06:09.26 | hatake_kakashi | thechris: interesting.. did you raise that issue in the appropriate channel? |
| 06:09.40 | just1primate | konfuzed: yes thats what I am saying |
| 06:09.46 | just1primate | it may be a udev issue |
| 06:09.50 | thechris | hatake_kakashi, yes, many times. thats why i'm trying to switch to debian |
| 06:09.54 | just1primate | udev is a Gnome dep |
| 06:09.59 | konfuzed | hmmmmm |
| 06:10.09 | hatake_kakashi | thechris: no response? what about forums and all? heh |
| 06:10.10 | just1primate | so perhaps therein lies the snafu |
| 06:10.26 | jjazz | thechris: How does downloading ffox help you switch to deb? |
| 06:10.27 | x3n0 | How do you setup to use xfree86 over xorg? |
| 06:10.29 | konfuzed | udev version conflict |
| 06:10.39 | just1primate | for example...right this moment I am coming to you live via Fluxbox |
| 06:10.49 | just1primate | from the machine that doesnt like Gnome |
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| 06:10.52 | just1primate | all is well |
| 06:10.55 | jjazz | just1primate: Hang on, let me get my 3D glasses and the popcorn. |
| 06:11.07 | just1primate | jjazz: heh heh |
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| 06:11.22 | x3n0 | WHat do i type to use the textual web browser? |
| 06:11.44 | Azar | hatake_kakashi: he reads the link I gave him |
| 06:11.45 | thechris | jjazz, no, its just that everytime i've tried to download a debian image in ubuntu, X crashed or wget segfaulted... |
| 06:11.53 | thechris | jjazz, just bad luck. |
| 06:12.02 | Azar | thechris: did you read that? |
| 06:12.03 | jjazz | thechris: don't dload it in X. |
| 06:12.05 | just1primate | x3n0 lynx, links, or w3m |
| 06:12.07 | hatake_kakashi | Azar: ahh ok |
| 06:12.21 | gozz | does anyone here use xlink and if so will it work with just converting the rpm with alien? |
| 06:12.22 | jjazz | thechris: use wget from the commandline |
| 06:12.31 | thechris | jjazz, wget segfaulted, but in anycase that issue seems to have gone away with a reboot |
| 06:12.36 | Azar | There is no such thing as a distribution or its installer (generically) "having SATA support" (or not). |
| 06:12.46 | thechris | Azar, i looked over that link. |
| 06:12.53 | x3n0 | just1primate: how do you choose between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 06:12.57 | jjazz | thechris: wget segfaulted? dude, that's some messed up box you're running there. |
| 06:13.00 | Azar | thechris: well is pretty explanatory |
| 06:13.02 | konfuzed | just1primate: you should at least send a note to testing about that udev-gnome-eth0 quirk |
| 06:13.03 | dogmeat | deadcat: was using twm as my window manager, i switched to fvwm2, and it opens the window with requiring me to place a wireframe outline of the window itself |
| 06:13.04 | jjazz | thechris: heat issues? |
| 06:13.12 | konfuzed | x3n0: you dont |
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| 06:13.24 | just1primate | konfuzed: funny you say that, as I am typing it now |
| 06:13.25 | just1primate | lol |
| 06:13.28 | thechris | jjazz, no, its just ubunutu. i am trying to switch to debian to see if it is better |
| 06:13.43 | konfuzed | thechris: to see if which part is better? |
| 06:13.49 | x3n0 | just1primate: how do you choose between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 06:13.55 | thechris | jjazz, i think its because i have to run startx with root privledges and then things just go haywire... |
| 06:14.03 | just1primate | x3n0: xfree86 is part of stable, xorg is in testing/unstable |
| 06:14.03 | konfuzed | mp3s or burning cds? or just firefox |
| 06:14.15 | just1primate | unless you have upgraded, you shouldnt need to choose |
| 06:14.24 | jjazz | thechris: startx as root? Your box is definitely messed. |
| 06:14.31 | x3n0 | just1primate: i did upgrade, how do you pick one? |
| 06:14.31 | thechris | konfuzed, after about 1 day, ubuntu just goes crazy and i have to reset the computer (it won't ever cleanly reboot) |
| 06:14.49 | just1primate | however, if you have them both installed and run dpkg-reconfure xserver-xorg, I think it gives you the choice |
| 06:14.53 | thechris | jjazz, its just the way ubuntu is. startx can't be run by users, so you have to use sudo... |
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| 06:15.08 | drew | 1 |
| 06:15.08 | konfuzed | thechris: you must have done something out of the ordinary or you have a bad hardware issue |
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| 06:15.17 | just1primate | thats 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 06:15.26 | jjazz | thechris: I'm on an Ubuntu box right now. I run startx as a normal user. |
| 06:15.31 | just1primate | i think.... |
| 06:15.32 | just1primate | lol |
| 06:15.48 | just1primate | or is it 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 06:15.48 | konfuzed | thechris: I got a guy with edubuntu that keeps choking badly because of some weird mobo hardware issue or the power supplyis too crappy |
| 06:15.49 | drew | my system doesnt seem to see updated packages anymore, is there anyway to reset apt to a clean state |
| 06:15.53 | x3n0 | hmm |
| 06:15.54 | just1primate | try both |
| 06:16.07 | thechris | konfuzed, there are other, less serious issues too, like shfs messing up, and xfce related issue. |
| 06:16.23 | just1primate | drew: apt-get clean |
| 06:16.30 | jjazz | drew: apt-get clean; apt-get update |
| 06:16.36 | drew | just1primate, thanks ill try it |
| 06:16.48 | x3n0 | just1primate: the xorg works out for me where i cna configure it but xfree86 doesn't give me anything |
| 06:16.49 | konfuzed | this box would not save to the drive properly and so all sorts of seemingly random crap would choke for now reason |
| 06:17.05 | jjazz | thechris: shfs in Ubuntu is currently messed. |
| 06:17.26 | drew | ok it says reading package lists, but it doesnt build the package database anymore |
| 06:17.27 | thechris | jjazz, hmm, everytime i try startx as a user it gives me permission errors (only root may run X) |
| 06:17.29 | just1primate | x3n0: heh.... |
| 06:17.38 | jjazz | thechris: Ask #ubuntu |
| 06:17.45 | x3n0 | just1primate: what do you think i should do? |
| 06:17.55 | just1primate | x3n0: kick it |
| 06:17.58 | just1primate | lol |
| 06:18.05 | thechris | jjazz, well, i'm trying to install debian because i've asked in #ubuntu and never make any progress |
| 06:18.06 | x3n0 | just1primate lol done, next? |
| 06:18.24 | jjazz | thechris: Ok, then what's stopping you from installing debian? |
| 06:18.28 | konfuzed | x3n0: i could be wrong but if you upgraded to testing I doubt there is much concern by team-testing that xfree86 runs perfectly |
| 06:18.30 | just1primate | x3n0: you could always apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:18.46 | thechris | jjazz, right now, just SATA |
| 06:18.58 | konfuzed | x3n0: good idea from just1primate |
| 06:19.14 | just1primate | knofused is right, if your running testing....your better off with xorg |
| 06:19.15 | thechris | jjazz, and i need to burn a debian testing cd to see if i can get SATA to work. |
| 06:19.41 | x3n0 | just1primate: i'm runnin sarge |
| 06:19.54 | x3n0 | just1primate: but it seems that xorg doesnt work for my display device |
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| 06:19.57 | just1primate | x3n0: did you manually upgrade to xorg? |
| 06:20.12 | just1primate | x3n0: or are you running a mixed system? |
| 06:20.25 | x3n0 | just1primate: i tried to manully upgrade |
| 06:20.29 | jjazz | thechris: Ah. I hope you're getting the netinst image. It's the smallest. |
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| 06:20.36 | just1primate | x3n0: how exactly? |
| 06:20.42 | just1primate | did you build from source? |
| 06:20.47 | x3n0 | just1primate: backport |
| 06:20.56 | jjazz | thechris: And if you can't get through the dload without a problem, try to get it via bittorrent, so at least you can pick up from where you left off it it crashes. |
| 06:20.58 | thechris | jjazz, i did, just waiting for ubuntu to install a cd buring program, and hopefully things will work |
| 06:21.01 | Thanatermesis | any tool for verify if a file on UTF-8 or ISO has the correct chars ? |
| 06:21.03 | just1primate | x3n0: backport=the devil |
| 06:21.15 | jjazz | thechris: good luck. |
| 06:21.41 | x3n0 | just1primate i'm relazing this now,,, ok i have the xserver-xfree86 and xorg purged should i reboot myself hook up the cat5 and do apt-get ? |
| 06:21.43 | konfuzed | x3n0: if you intend to mess with SATA then its likely a good idea to take on etch and find out how to make it work on debian-stable (requires extra care and finicky configs - so i hear ) |
| 06:21.50 | just1primate | x3n0: anything special hardware-wise about your box? if not, may consider upgrade to testing |
| 06:22.00 | thechris | jjazz, thanks, i'm sure i'll need it |
| 06:22.02 | x3n0 | just1primate: its a laptop... |
| 06:22.04 | drew | apt-get doesnt seem to know about any packages except those installed, i tried apt-get clean;apt-get update; but it didnt seem to help... any ideas? |
| 06:22.12 | just1primate | x3n0: ugh |
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| 06:22.16 | Azar | thechris: is your box an amd64? |
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| 06:22.25 | x3n0 | just1primate: ibm p4 1.8ghz pentium m motherboard built in ati radeon 8500 |
| 06:22.25 | just1primate | x3n0: you may end up with no xserver after reboot |
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| 06:22.35 | x3n0 | just1primate: i already have no xserver lol |
| 06:22.40 | thechris | Azar, the cpu is amd64, but i've found amd64 still has too many issues, so i use it as a 32bit cpu |
| 06:22.50 | Azar | ok |
| 06:22.52 | just1primate | x3n0: wel then apt-get it after reboot |
| 06:23.13 | x3n0 | just1primate: ok same cat5 cable for this lapto as for other one so i'll sign off for 5 ins will you be here after i get back? |
| 06:23.21 | just1primate | x3n0: hrmn....ask around ATI is funny about what cards work,a nd dont |
| 06:23.29 | just1primate | should be |
| 06:23.42 | Azar | thechris: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 06:23.45 | x3n0 | just1primate thats what i've been gathering i'm thinking of not worrying about it if i get xfree86 up |
| 06:23.48 | x3n0 | brb |
| 06:24.14 | just1primate | tell just1primate ATI |
| 06:24.17 | just1primate | lol |
| 06:24.31 | just1primate | how do you do that ask dpkg thingy? |
| 06:24.36 | konfuzed | Azar: id like to check in on that i386 on amd64 cpus. does the system still make use of that 64bits or is that basically lopped off and ignored (although I doubt it) |
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| 06:25.01 | thechris | Azar, that guide seems to assume you could install debian. right now i cannot because it fails to detect disks. |
| 06:25.06 | Azar | konfuzed: you want the amc64 part? |
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| 06:25.25 | Azar | thechris: the answer is BIOS tweaks |
| 06:25.34 | Azar | fake a PATA in BIOS |
| 06:25.44 | konfuzed | Azar: thanks for that SATA link |
| 06:25.50 | Azar | you have not read the first link .. tsk tsk |
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| 06:27.06 | just1primate | la la la |
| 06:27.08 | Azar | konfuzed: 90MB netinst installer for Debian 3.1 "sarge" on AMD64/EM64T with a v. 2.6.12 installation kernel << that is what you want? |
| 06:27.22 | thechris | Azar, hmm, missed that part. i'm not sure my bios supports that though. its a kinda odd mobo. |
| 06:27.30 | thechris | well, i'm off to try out testing |
| 06:27.47 | konfuzed | Azar: regarding AMD64 I seem to recall (from some articles) that even running a 32bit OS the remaining 32 bits is not merely unused but teh cpu is supposed to treat it like two 32bit words |
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| 06:28.40 | Azar | konfuzed: reality is I would only use an amd64 when it will become "old news" |
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| 06:28.56 | konfuzed | Azar: my new box is AMD64 but ive not yet put debian on it due to timing and its currently be used as my desktop |
| 06:29.12 | Azar | my sempron 32 bit with a normal IDE drive will still last at least 2 more years. |
| 06:29.18 | just1primate | anyone know where I can unload a Silicon Graphics O2 machine? |
| 06:29.29 | just1primate | I have one I never use |
| 06:29.35 | just1primate | will sell...cheap |
| 06:29.53 | konfuzed | just1primate: cool hardware - SGI bought CRAY supercomputers and then put out the O2 |
| 06:29.54 | just1primate | has Irix installed, but will run Debian with MIPS kernel |
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| 06:30.15 | just1primate | konfuzed: yeah graphics powerhous |
| 06:30.15 | Azar | konfuzed: soon you will be left in the dust: Vista requires other type of hardware... so you will not be able to run neither *nix nor the latest m$crapolawindows |
| 06:30.17 | konfuzed | for only 10,000 new |
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| 06:30.43 | konfuzed | Azar: I would not waste my time with Vista but thanks for the heads up |
| 06:30.53 | just1primate | konfuzed: I need to dump it...so I will sell it CHEAP |
| 06:31.02 | just1primate | but no one can use it |
| 06:31.04 | just1primate | ugh |
| 06:31.23 | Azar | In october I invested in this "new" box that has the kind of hardware that runs both, Debian or XP.. "old news" hardware but runs ok |
| 06:31.43 | konfuzed | just1primate: I think this 3ghz AMD64 out does the O2 now and it cost me less than 700 |
| 06:31.50 | just1primate | yeah |
| 06:31.54 | just1primate | probably |
| 06:32.03 | Azar | $600.00 my 4 month old PC |
| 06:32.23 | just1primate | so I have this really cool blue toaster looking paperweight |
| 06:32.25 | just1primate | lol |
| 06:32.31 | starfishy | i think my box is gonna be good for a while |
| 06:32.41 | konfuzed | just1primate: I owuldnt mind adding an O2 to my IT Museum |
| 06:32.52 | just1primate | Konfused: heh |
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| 06:33.07 | just1primate | konfused: 300 bucks and it yours |
| 06:33.07 | just1primate | lol |
| 06:33.13 | starfishy | athlon64 x2 4200 |
| 06:33.19 | konfuzed | oh ive got pre 8088 machines all the way up ;^) |
| 06:33.36 | Azar | DX ? |
| 06:33.44 | starfishy | back then the amiga was so vastly superior |
| 06:33.52 | konfuzed | oh yeah I loved my amiga 2000 |
| 06:33.59 | recall | A64s aren't cheap anymore...any of the X2s are going to cost you $300, and the slowest single cores are still $150ish. |
| 06:34.04 | starfishy | i had one of the first Amiga 1000 imported into Germany |
| 06:34.14 | recall | I guess they never were really cheap, but they haven't scaled. =) |
| 06:34.19 | Azar | amiga and commodore were light-years ahead of the PC back in the 80's |
| 06:34.23 | starfishy | and AmigaOS was superior to windows |
| 06:34.26 | starfishy | yeah |
| 06:34.27 | konfuzed | I had a vic-20 just before that when I did my grade seven science project |
| 06:34.31 | Azar | sound, colors, animation eh |
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| 06:34.56 | Azar | who needed a mouse with them? bah.... |
| 06:35.18 | konfuzed | thats when a Waterloo Basic Program made you look like a god damn genius |
| 06:35.19 | fkgljgr | just1primate: :/ nothing yet i cant get xfree86 configured right... |
| 06:35.48 | starfishy | if commodore had put some development effort and marketing into the platform AmigaOS would probably the dominant OS today |
| 06:36.08 | just1primate | fkgljgr: without looking it it, I couldnt say then |
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| 06:36.36 | Azar | m$ came out with all crapola devices for the PC ofcourse all drivers written fast and bad for the quick buck |
| 06:36.43 | konfuzed | commodore was such as shame that they didnt get marketing and advertising or catering to nerds |
| 06:37.02 | konfuzed | commodore was too focussed on business machines and not enough on nerds |
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| 06:37.22 | fkgljgr | do you have to reboot after you change "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 06:37.30 | konfuzed | of course they had a great nerd department but it did not translate to that marketing department |
| 06:37.41 | just1primate | no, you shouldnt |
| 06:37.47 | Azar | fkgljgr: I guess not, you just have to restart X |
| 06:37.58 | fkgljgr | what is a good generic setup for reconfiguring? |
| 06:38.02 | just1primate | where are you located? |
| 06:38.24 | starfishy | amiga was never a machine for nerds, nerds buy windows |
| 06:38.28 | just1primate | use the vesa driver |
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| 06:38.38 | starfishy | geeks used to buy Amiga |
| 06:38.43 | Azar | I guess the gurus are in a meeting, nobody showed up in the past few hours |
| 06:38.44 | konfuzed | hahaha |
| 06:38.52 | just1primate | does it autodetect your ATI? |
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| 06:39.09 | starfishy | i hunted a problem with my media server today |
| 06:39.14 | fkgljgr | its not offering to autodetect |
| 06:39.27 | just1primate | hrmn |
| 06:39.38 | konfuzed | astounding though how an amiga2000 can still out do an O2 for most things, xcept direct render |
| 06:39.46 | just1primate | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:39.47 | starfishy | spent two hours tweaking xorg settings for the tv and always just got a grayscale picture |
| 06:39.58 | konfuzed | softwares different but the amiga can do any and all film edit work that an 02 can |
| 06:40.03 | starfishy | turned out the box was trying to send a PAL image to the TV :\ |
| 06:40.11 | just1primate | whois fkgljgr |
| 06:40.31 | konfuzed | except myra wira what ever that big ass software is Mya perhaps |
| 06:40.52 | fkgljgr | hmm i need to do startx first right? |
| 06:40.55 | fkgljgr | before i do startkde |
| 06:41.04 | konfuzed | starfishy: see your amiga would not have had that problem ;^) |
| 06:41.12 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 06:41.13 | starfishy | yup |
| 06:41.16 | Azar | lsorensen did it again: he wrote a small HOWTO for amd64 |
| 06:41.18 | just1primate | do only start x and tell me what it says |
| 06:41.27 | just1primate | startx |
| 06:41.27 | fkgljgr | it gave an error i think it was wrong frequency |
| 06:41.38 | lakcaj | Hi. I've got the nvidia driver installed and loaded, and get the nvidia splash screen when X starts. I use blender, and it runs just fine. glxinfo | grep direct says "yes". However, I keep getting Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" errors when I launch certain apps. |
| 06:41.43 | konfuzed | Azar: really well that must be worth looking at, where is it? |
| 06:41.45 | recall | fkgljgr, you need to call startkde inside your ~/.xsession |
| 06:41.58 | lakcaj | is this something I should be concerned with? |
| 06:42.03 | just1primate | did you use 'simple' when choosing your monitor freq? |
| 06:42.11 | fkgljgr | no |
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| 06:42.14 | fkgljgr | lcd |
| 06:42.15 | Azar | konfuzed: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ |
| 06:42.16 | fkgljgr | medium only |
| 06:42.27 | fkgljgr | fatal server error failted to niitialize core deivces |
| 06:42.28 | just1primate | try lcd and simple |
| 06:42.33 | fkgljgr | ixo fatail io error 104 |
| 06:42.40 | fkgljgr | lcd = no simple |
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| 06:42.45 | fkgljgr | crt only imple |
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| 06:43.17 | just1primate | can you mail me a copy of your XF86config-4 |
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| 06:43.33 | fkgljgr | eh can i email from terminal? |
| 06:43.41 | just1primate | ugh |
| 06:43.45 | dondelelcaro | fkgljgr: yes, you can. |
| 06:43.55 | just1primate | you have telet installed? |
| 06:44.00 | fkgljgr | i dunno |
| 06:44.00 | just1primate | telnetd? |
| 06:44.03 | konfuzed | -sata-uli added |
| 06:44.10 | just1primate | where are you located? |
| 06:44.19 | fkgljgr | sua |
| 06:44.19 | fkgljgr | usa |
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| 06:44.26 | dondelelcaro | fkgljgr: cat foofile |sendmail foo@bar.com |
| 06:44.27 | just1primate | what state? |
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| 06:44.43 | jclinton | dpkg is dead? |
| 06:44.46 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 06:44.56 | wizzomafizzo | Can someone help with i8kutils, I've installed it but I keep getting the error /proc/i8k does not exist. |
| 06:45.02 | fkgljgr | ca |
| 06:45.04 | Azar | good evening, welcome back dondelecaro |
| 06:45.16 | testisjustatest2 | hey i have a server that is getting bogged down with perl scripts. is there a way to see what scripts r running? |
| 06:45.22 | just1primate | too bad I cant telnet into your box...fix it all better |
| 06:45.23 | just1primate | heh |
| 06:45.24 | Azar | it seems dpkg stopped answering |
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| 06:45.30 | just1primate | can you say security rick |
| 06:45.36 | Azar | ah is back :) |
| 06:45.46 | fkgljgr | .....lol uh? |
| 06:45.51 | fkgljgr | nick xeno |
| 06:45.55 | dondelelcaro | hrm... it was really lagged for some reason |
| 06:45.56 | fkgljgr | asdf |
| 06:46.13 | fkgljgr | just1primate =o wha? |
| 06:46.23 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I noticed all of you were away |
| 06:46.26 | just1primate | what???? |
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| 06:46.47 | fkgljgr | v |
| 06:46.52 | dpkg | Since Fri Jan 27 20:28:34 2006, there have been 75 modifications, 3609 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1102 commands. I have been awake for 8d 10h 18m 3s this session, and currently reference 32295 factoids. I'm using about 15692 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1463.63/90.98 child 0/0 |
| 06:46.54 | fkgljgr | you said can you say security rick |
| 06:46.55 | dondelelcaro | Azar: I've actually been around, but I haven't really been talking on IRC much cause I'm working on something else |
| 06:46.59 | fkgljgr | so who are you :P |
| 06:47.05 | konfuzed | Azar: perfect amd64 on deb link as I also happen to prefer NVidia mobo chipsets to go with it |
| 06:47.17 | just1primate | letting a stranger telnet into your machine to fix it....lol |
| 06:47.34 | x3n0 | i didn't let someone telnet into me :P |
| 06:48.03 | just1primate | x3n0, no...I am saying have someone you know that runs Deb do it for you |
| 06:48.04 | Azar | now yes I can say this guy is a real Debian fan: http://uher.info/Bookmarks/read/index.php?name=uher.info&id=0000014 |
| 06:48.11 | x3n0 | you said 'rick' |
| 06:48.17 | just1primate | I meant TRICK |
| 06:48.22 | just1primate | or RISK |
| 06:48.24 | just1primate | damn its late |
| 06:48.26 | x3n0 | uh huh |
| 06:48.27 | x3n0 | ;p |
| 06:48.34 | x3n0 | got me all paranoid knowing my other alias lol |
| 06:48.41 | x3n0 | i saw telnet and rick in same line |
| 06:48.46 | just1primate | LOL |
| 06:48.47 | x3n0 | so i was doing at dns checking now |
| 06:48.48 | x3n0 | bastard |
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| 06:48.55 | x3n0 | frekaing me out |
| 06:48.57 | just1primate | ???? |
| 06:49.07 | x3n0 | lol |
| 06:49.09 | x3n0 | nevemrind |
| 06:49.24 | just1primate | ok...join this room |
| 06:49.33 | just1primate | #primatesroom |
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| 06:53.09 | konfuzed | Azar: Might you know if there are GUI software issues on deb64 ? ive noticed things like 64bit distros just not being happy with commercial DVDs and some other annoyances |
| 06:54.31 | wintalker | i have configured LAMP and it works fine. i have apt-get install phpbb2. how to finishi it? |
| 06:54.41 | Azar | konfuzed: I would not know, I keep my boxes very simple a base X a simple wallpaper and openbox for manager. No video, TV and stuff like that, just some games, few .xt and .s3m music files, OpenOffice, browser and irc. |
| 06:54.42 | wintalker | *finish |
| 06:55.19 | Azar | primate room wow |
| 06:55.29 | Azar | wild thing, you make my heart sing.. |
| 06:56.01 | konfuzed | i cant really see there being a specific issue of real concern for server side packages but now with the change to xorg there is just more unknown not really tested in the field cuz there just aint that many using it yet (relatively speaking) |
| 06:56.09 | wintalker | phpbb2 is located at /usr/share |
| 06:56.19 | wintalker | and /var/www |
| 06:56.34 | Azar | ok what is riseup packages? |
| 06:56.41 | konfuzed | hm I really dont like GUIs that much actually |
| 06:57.06 | konfuzed | ive hardly even bothered with X-Windows kde or gnome |
| 06:57.12 | Azar | let's see anyone remember xtree? the DOS xtree? |
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| 06:57.36 | wintalker | i configure phpbb2 for the first time. the same to apache. not familiar |
| 06:57.57 | konfuzed | i never even upgraded my own workstation past win98 cuz most important to me was ssh to a server without GUI |
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| 06:58.38 | konfuzed | I left all that M$ OS upgrades crap on that magazine rack |
| 06:59.20 | Azar | good day honorables |
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| 07:00.51 | wintalker | how to execute /usr/share/phpbb2/site/index.php in mozilla browser? |
| 07:01.06 | wintalker | to finish the configuration |
| 07:01.20 | wintalker | i want my phpbb works |
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| 07:02.13 | wintalker | i cp site(dictionary) /var/www doesn't work |
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| 07:03.14 | wintalker | i want type http://192.168.0.1/. i want the phpbb show up |
| 07:04.33 | wintalker | ok. i want a tutorial about installing phpbb2 |
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| 07:08.24 | d65 | how can i search for icons? on my system |
| 07:09.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:09.46 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:09.52 | tarzeau | d65: using find, probably in /usr/share |
| 07:09.55 | wintalker | i have apt installed phpBB2. how can i make it works? |
| 07:09.59 | tarzeau | d65: or apt-cache search icons ? |
| 07:10.19 | tarzeau | wintalker: read /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE ? |
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| 07:14.45 | whitehorse1 | Anyone suggest fixes for following: mozilla-acroread pkg opens app fine but app silent exits a few moments later. also, mozilla-thunderbird now starts up as normal but all is blank ie no folders list and no messages visible. have been installing packages recently via apt-get (frontends), incidentally. |
| 07:14.54 | wintalker | how to create a symlink? |
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| 07:15.18 | repp | wintalker: ln -s <src> <link> |
| 07:15.58 | whitehorse1 | is it likely to be font/charmap related does anyone think? |
| 07:16.26 | repp | whitehorse1: your question is really to vague for me to get involved with. sounds like a lot of me telling you what to do to find out what the real problem is, and i'm not willing to spend that time right now. |
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| 07:17.59 | whitehorse1 | repp: as you wish. my synopsis was quite specific but yep I admit my experience level means it might take a tedious while to pin the problem down. anybody else though: any input is certainly welcome |
| 07:18.50 | konfuzed | check for error message in a log file should provide a good pointer |
| 07:19.13 | repp | oh boy |
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| 07:19.21 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 07:19.31 | EdLin | whitehorse1: start them in an xterm and see if any error messages happen. |
| 07:19.39 | markybob | i cant find an example of packaging something that doesnt have a makefile and is just a collection of scripts. i've looked for it but i cant find anything on the debian maintainer guide. suggestions/samples of packages that are like that? |
| 07:19.57 | whitehorse1 | konfuzed: I was around in /var/log earlier; but hopefully something useful will've been written in since. thanks. Edlin: Will try that thanks |
| 07:20.25 | romulo | what should i do?? my card is detected by alsa, by kernel but it doesnt output any sound(the sound card) and theres nothng using it |
| 07:21.18 | EdLin | romulo: maybe you don't have OSS emulation modules installed |
| 07:21.33 | whitehorse1 | romulo: a) you've gone deaf. sorry. b) up the volume - it's muted by default, use alsamixergui or whatever you wish |
| 07:21.33 | romulo | hmmm |
| 07:21.45 | romulo | the volume is not muted |
| 07:21.49 | romulo | what is deaf? |
| 07:21.49 | kevix | romulo: the most common is muted sound source, use alsamixer |
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| 07:21.54 | konfuzed | i was thinkin - what happens when you try using it |
| 07:21.57 | christor | Hi guys |
| 07:22.16 | EdLin | romulo: what did you say? |
| 07:22.26 | kevix | romulo: do you have the plug in the wrong slot ? |
| 07:22.43 | repp | romulo: what is your sound device? |
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| 07:22.53 | christor | I have a user "s" installed on my machine, somebody know , who is the user "s" ? |
| 07:22.54 | romulo | atiixp for laptop |
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| 07:23.02 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: thanks, acroread doesn't turn up anything but the mozilla-thunderbird thing returned an error about chrome. I think I know which install caused the prob too. |
| 07:23.08 | SperMite | how can i fix this error: rror while initializing the sound driver: |
| 07:23.08 | SperMite | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Device or resource busy) |
| 07:23.08 | SperMite | The sound server will continue, using the null output device |
| 07:23.09 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: "silently exit" sounds like a segfault. run mozilla-acroread from command-line |
| 07:23.36 | SperMite | SperMite i have no sound period |
| 07:23.50 | kevix | SperMite: maybe something is already using the sound device |
| 07:23.52 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: and for things like this, an strace comes in handy, since it'll tell you what files were accessed/attempted to access, just prior to crashing |
| 07:24.12 | liable | grr, why would acpid wake my screen up.. |
| 07:24.29 | whitehorse1 | eeyore-: tried. from CLI it opens the app same as before and when I (say) go into the preferences menu, it silently exits. likewise, if I'd opened a pdf then it'll show for a second before the program exits. i'll have a look in syslog and it's friends. And I'll look at man strace :) |
| 07:24.44 | kevix | liable: did you breathe in its general direction? |
| 07:24.59 | EdLin | whitehorse1: unless you need it for something, I recommend using xpdf instead. |
| 07:25.07 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: if it's a segfault, you won't see anything in syslog |
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| 07:25.23 | DarkPurpose | bad memory stick? |
| 07:25.26 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: besides, syslog is pretty much useless for desktop apps. i don't believe it's "in style" for desktop apps to syslog |
| 07:25.41 | whitehorse1 | eeyore-: ah, ok. i'll read the docs on strace as my next move then. ahh didn't know that point, thanks |
| 07:25.46 | eeyore- | EdLin: xpdf is waaaay behind acrobat curve |
| 07:26.04 | repp | kpdf is doing well though |
| 07:26.54 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: I went for acroread based on a linux format paper-mag review/field-test. they said they very reluctantly recommended the adobe product over the free offerings; the others (xpdf, kpdf etc) all had difficulties with certain aspects of some pdfs. |
| 07:27.12 | whitehorse1 | kpdf might do for my needs though actually. :) |
| 07:27.43 | christor | [#debian] |
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| 07:30.42 | wintalker | when i finish configuring phpBB2, i got this message: The PHP configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you chose. |
| 07:32.02 | wintalker | i have choosen both MySQL 3.x and 4.x/5.x. i got the same message. |
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| 07:32.25 | whitehorse1 | eeyore-: You were right about Acroread. Ran via Strace. It was a segfault |
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| 07:32.50 | starscalling | hmm |
| 07:33.09 | starscalling | what is the commandline comand to check my nic card? i want to know if its 10mbit or 100? |
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| 07:34.45 | whitehorse1 | That's thunderbird fixed; have text displaying in it again. removed the naughty imagezoom extension debian package. might report a bug for that. |
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| 07:37.58 | kevix | starscalling: ifconfig eth0 |
| 07:38.34 | wizzomafizzo | Any terminal emulator I use wraps the lines around onto the same line every time, can someone help? |
| 07:38.41 | kevix | starscalling: also check 'dmesg' or /var/log/messages |
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| 07:39.00 | wizzomafizzo | The console does it too. |
| 07:39.27 | wizzomafizzo | Is it a problem with bash? |
| 07:39.31 | liable | !tell whacko about away |
| 07:40.08 | rvalles | wizzomafizzo: xterm |
| 07:40.14 | rvalles | wizzomafizzo: press control+mouse buttons |
| 07:40.32 | rvalles | wizzomafizzo: you can enable/disable autowraparound and auto linefeed and lots of other stuff |
| 07:40.59 | starscalling | hmm thanx kevix |
| 07:41.28 | wizzomafizzo | rvalles: Ok well that fixed aterm, thanks. But it still does it outside of X. |
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| 07:42.09 | vahid | hello |
| 07:42.28 | vahid | what is "rpm -ql " in debian ? :-) |
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| 07:44.30 | liable | vahid: well, what does rpm -ql do? |
| 07:44.33 | Icarox | !seen dvm |
| 07:44.34 | dpkg | dvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 18h 17m 35s ago, saying: 'valdyn: So i wait that he has finished to buil the kernel again'. |
| 07:44.44 | Icarox | !seen dvm1981 |
| 07:44.44 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 8h 21m 22s ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
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| 07:45.07 | vahid | liable, list file of a package |
| 07:45.21 | liable | vahid: dpkg -L foo |
| 07:45.44 | saran | what is eualent command for ipconfig/all in linux |
| 07:45.52 | vahid | liable, tnx :) |
| 07:45.52 | liable | ifconfig -a |
| 07:46.01 | liable | yw |
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| 07:46.42 | peterS | ifconfig -a is close, but it doesn't show exactly the same network settings. for that, you'd have to do a few random other things, like cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:47.19 | whitehorse1 | (stereotypically)-attractive geek girls with a penchant for geeky males ~ do they truly exist |
| 07:47.30 | liable | oh |
| 07:47.42 | rvalles | whitehorse, short answer: no |
| 07:48.03 | rvalles | whitehorse1: live with it. |
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| 07:48.08 | saran | where to edit the dns address |
| 07:48.26 | rvalles | whitehorse1: but, then again, when it comes to doing that, it's almost "anything does" |
| 07:48.27 | wintalker | how to install MySQL? |
| 07:48.31 | liable | saran: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:48.32 | jadewolf | I did a minimal install and am setting up my laptop with debian, is there another xwin configure program beisde xf86config that is a bit more gui? |
| 07:48.37 | rvalles | whitehorse1: and you can dispose of them after use. |
| 07:49.08 | jadewolf | wintalker, I did apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client and it was all there |
| 07:49.17 | saran | what should be label for entering dsn server name in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:49.24 | liable | jadewolf: dont use xf86config in debian, but no, there isnt. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:49.41 | deadcat | saran: nameserver ip.address |
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| 07:49.47 | whitehorse1 | rvalles: true, being elitist and choosy is a luxury; gotta be sure you can have that luxury in the first place |
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| 07:50.06 | saran | is there is any userinfterface in ubuntu to enter dsn server |
| 07:50.16 | deadcat | saran: dont know. try #ubuntu |
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| 07:50.22 | liable | saran: ask in #ubuntu, read the /topic |
| 07:50.37 | saran | thanx liable |
| 07:51.00 | liable | np |
| 07:51.17 | deadcat | saran: what were you thinking when you join #debian to ask an ubuntu question? there IS #ubuntu |
| 07:51.54 | deadcat | if someone invent time machine, first thing i do, go back in time and kick mark shuttleworth's ass |
| 07:51.55 | saran | deadcat:i will ask in ubuntu only |
| 07:52.01 | deadcat | saran: k |
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| 07:52.27 | jadewolf | deadcat, who is Mark Shuttleworth? |
| 07:52.28 | saran | can any body suggest which linux is best for desktop |
| 07:52.31 | wintalker | i have installed phpbb2 and configured phpbb2-conf-mysql. what's the next step? |
| 07:52.33 | liable | meh, ubuntu is nice for people to get a taste of linux. |
| 07:52.41 | deadcat | jadewolf: isnt he the guy started ubuntu? |
| 07:52.44 | whitehorse1 | so's linspire ;) |
| 07:52.45 | liable | saran: ubuntu is ok for that. |
| 07:53.19 | deadcat | saran: ubuntu and suse are ok. |
| 07:53.24 | jadewolf | deadcat, *shrug* I just use ubuntu on desktop since its just a frilly version of debian, and straight debain on my laptop |
| 07:53.43 | deadcat | jadewolf: why are you telling me this? |
| 07:53.49 | liable | just wish that when people start there irc clients for the first time, there was a big window that told them to ask in ubuntu and not here :) |
| 07:53.49 | saran | is there is any command to test my internet speed |
| 07:53.54 | EdLin | saran: Debian is good at everything, it's very flexable. Ubuntu basically has made all of the difficult choices, so it's good for newbies who are getting their feet wet. |
| 07:53.59 | deadcat | saran: 2wire.com |
| 07:54.23 | jadewolf | deadcat, I have problems volunteering information, part of being adhd and bipolar at once |
| 07:54.40 | deadcat | huh? |
| 07:55.01 | whitehorse1 | jadewolf: that did deserve a 'huh?' the adhd part at least |
| 07:55.45 | jadewolf | Nevermind, just saying I tend to just say stuff without really realizing what I'm saying. |
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| 07:56.06 | romulo | found my problem :D |
| 07:56.17 | romulo | i had to mute the external amplifier |
| 07:56.22 | whitehorse1 | That's not mere impulsivity, my dear fellow; that's Tourettes. ;) (jk) |
| 07:56.54 | jadewolf | is there any smaller desktop then xfce4? |
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| 07:57.05 | jadewolf | after just starting it I'm down to 6m free |
| 07:57.18 | deadcat | no |
| 07:57.19 | d65 | how can i locate an ICON for NEDIT.. is there some search command tell me please :/ |
| 07:57.22 | TBBle | If you're both bipolor and have adhd, wouldn't that make you tripolar? |
| 07:57.27 | saran | any mp3 player for linux |
| 07:57.32 | deadcat | saran: yes |
| 07:57.33 | jadewolf | Saran: xmms |
| 07:58.02 | liable | d65: /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 07:58.09 | d65 | its not there |
| 07:58.21 | jadewolf | what about blackbox and its offspring? |
| 07:58.27 | liable | then it doesnt have one prolly |
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| 07:58.40 | d65 | liable it does i've located it before |
| 07:58.44 | d65 | but i dont know the command that i typed |
| 07:58.46 | tarzeau | saran: opencubicplayer, madplay |
| 07:58.46 | d65 | it was some search command |
| 07:58.47 | deadcat | d65: find / -type f -iname "*nedit*" |
| 07:58.51 | repp | jadewolf: check out "ratpoison" |
| 07:58.55 | whitehorse1 | saran: also, the ubuntulinux.org wiki has an apps equivalency page on it somewhere as i recall. equivalents linux has to windows apps. anyway... /shushes about that other distro/ |
| 07:59.03 | llama32 | anyone know of an animation app (anything capable of letting me draw animations - sound not needed)? |
| 07:59.06 | deadcat | jadewolf: those are window managers. not desktops |
| 07:59.34 | liable | llama32: http://www.linuxartist.org/video-anim.html |
| 07:59.40 | d65 | deadcat i get an error saying unknown type |
| 07:59.41 | llama32 | thanks liable |
| 07:59.55 | jadewolf | deadcat, sorry, I'll try to be more specific in the future. |
| 08:00.06 | deadcat | d65: you made a typo |
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| 08:00.33 | d65 | yea your right |
| 08:00.33 | d65 | heh |
| 08:02.07 | d65 | ok thanks man |
| 08:02.09 | d65 | that worked |
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| 08:07.09 | suki | how do i use dpkg to install a .deb file |
| 08:07.18 | deadcat | suki: man dpkg |
| 08:07.36 | kevix | llama32: google for ktoon |
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| 08:07.50 | deadcat | he left |
| 08:07.57 | suki | deadcat , anything easier? eg for rpm , rpm -ivh |
| 08:08.06 | deadcat | suki: ya. if you man dpkg |
| 08:08.11 | kevix | suki: what reason would stop you from using apt-get? |
| 08:08.33 | deadcat | kevix: hes used to rpm based |
| 08:08.35 | suki | kevix, using ubuntu, apt-get install bitchx does not work |
| 08:08.41 | suki | deadcat , im not :) |
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| 08:08.47 | suki | just giving you an example |
| 08:08.51 | deadcat | suki: this aint #ubuntu /topic |
| 08:08.56 | kevix | suki: that is not debians fault. ask #ubuntu |
| 08:09.08 | deadcat | !tell whitehorse1 about away |
| 08:09.11 | xerophyte | What is Linux application server and what is the different between linux application server and gateway server ? |
| 08:09.13 | suki | deadcat, erm ubuntu is 98% based on debain i believe |
| 08:09.17 | deadcat | whitehorse1: we dont give a fuck if you watch porn |
| 08:09.19 | suki | so wouldnt be a bad place to start here |
| 08:09.30 | deadcat | suki: so? its called ubuntu for a reason |
| 08:09.43 | deadcat | suki: wouldnt #ubuntu be a BETTER place to start? |
| 08:09.48 | suki | deadcat , i didnt come here to debate that, just a simple dpkg help ;) |
| 08:09.57 | deadcat | suki: i know that |
| 08:10.24 | kevix | suki: if apt-get did not work, then dpkg will not help (at least in 99.9% of the time) |
| 08:10.43 | deadcat | kevix: maybe bitchx is not in the default repo in ubuntu. |
| 08:11.22 | kevix | deadcat: so he needs to add universe or multiverse (OT) |
| 08:11.33 | deadcat | kevix: ya. aint our problem (= |
| 08:11.41 | deadcat | wont tell him even if i know it hahah |
| 08:12.07 | kevix | deadcat: its not as if its hard to type /join #ubuntu |
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| 08:12.56 | kevix | deadcat: right now im reading 'apt-get install rubybook' |
| 08:13.45 | deadcat | kevix: i just want to know WHY he would go #debian in the first place. i use debian and i dont go #ubuntu as my first option. i only go to other distro channel if i cant get help here |
| 08:15.25 | wintalker | how to add a symlink in etc/apache*/conf.d to /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf |
| 08:15.46 | deadcat | wintalker: man ln |
| 08:16.16 | wintalker | deadcat, i know. but i want a direct commond |
| 08:16.35 | kevix | deadcat: he doesn't KNOW debian from an rpm x-) |
| 08:16.46 | deadcat | wintalker: if you man the mother fucker. it will tell you right? |
| 08:17.05 | deadcat | kevix: i dont get it (= |
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| 08:17.40 | kevix | deadcat: although if you follow debian-devel mailing list, its a perception problem that ubuntu has propigated-- ubuntu=debian |
| 08:17.42 | wintalker | deadcat, cool man. my english is poor. |
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| 08:18.21 | deadcat | kevix: oh.. ya. mark shuttlesworth's fault, he should have based it on redhat (= |
| 08:18.52 | deadcat | wintalker: ah. so adding the word motherfucker makes it understandable right? cool mother fucker!~ |
| 08:19.05 | kevix | deadcat: I'm not faulting his for using the BEST to base ubuntu on! |
| 08:19.30 | deadcat | kevix: true |
| 08:19.44 | kevix | deadcat: is this M#$#$F#$#$ pulp fiction! |
| 08:19.57 | deadcat | maybe he shouldnt say base on debian at all so ubuntu users dont know about debian |
| 08:20.09 | wintalker | deadcat, i got it. azzhole |
| 08:20.21 | deadcat | wintalker: there we go cocksucker |
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| 08:20.45 | kevix | deadcat: debian and ubuntu devs are working out these issue slowly... |
| 08:21.10 | deadcat | (= how? |
| 08:21.34 | deadcat | kevix: ah. call it blah.ubu instead of .deb |
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| 08:23.10 | kevix | deadcat: they made them change some quotes on ubuntu.com to sound more unambigous. |
| 08:23.19 | deadcat | o |
| 08:23.19 | SperMite | is there a way where i can set my system up so that my apps that uses sound can share the same device, because everytime i run like xmms and then try playing a vid one gives me attitude |
| 08:23.36 | deadcat | SperMite: your sound card sucks. |
| 08:23.45 | SperMite | oh i know |
| 08:24.00 | kevix | deadcat: one thing is that when you install a deb on ubuntu is says the maintainer is X@debian.org and many debian folks didn't like that |
| 08:24.09 | deadcat | SperMite: ya. thats the problem.. so you need to get one that can handle multi input |
| 08:24.38 | deadcat | ah |
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| 08:25.07 | SperMite | deadcat alright. btw what ur url.. i wanna see that lady fall down them stairs again |
| 08:25.21 | liable | SperMite: try and get dmix working (not that i ever have) |
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| 08:25.31 | deadcat | SperMite: hah. gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/video ? |
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| 08:25.51 | liable | heh, gotta see this one.. |
| 08:25.54 | deadcat | SperMite: after seeing that. theres no such thing as bad day at the office |
| 08:26.06 | anonymous865 | is it possible to play .nsf files in linux? |
| 08:26.16 | deadcat | anonymous865: what the f is tat? |
| 08:26.26 | SperMite | deadcat ur right about that |
| 08:26.31 | anonymous865 | its some windows crap video format |
| 08:26.36 | EdLin | !ur |
| 08:26.39 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 08:26.58 | deadcat | anonymous865: try mplayer |
| 08:26.58 | kevix | anonymous865: do you mean asf? |
| 08:27.03 | anonymous865 | nsf |
| 08:27.08 | anonymous865 | tried mplayer |
| 08:27.11 | anonymous865 | and vlc |
| 08:27.14 | deadcat | New Shitty Format |
| 08:27.14 | kevix | anonymous865: we like OPEN standards! |
| 08:27.21 | anonymous865 | ya me too |
| 08:27.27 | deadcat | anonymous865: you're fucked i guess |
| 08:27.31 | anonymous865 | i never came across it before |
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| 08:27.40 | anonymous865 | ah well |
| 08:28.04 | liable | deadcat: heh, thats pretty fucking funny.. (not for her though i guess..) |
| 08:28.13 | deadcat | liable: HAHHA |
| 08:28.16 | deadcat | i bet.. |
| 08:28.17 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 08:28.19 | anonymous865 | i hate windows users |
| 08:28.21 | deadcat | not for her (= |
| 08:28.35 | deadcat | anonymous865: must be porn (= |
| 08:28.40 | anonymous865 | nah |
| 08:28.45 | anonymous865 | its a fight |
| 08:28.46 | deadcat | Right |
| 08:29.12 | anonymous865 | i get my porno in avi |
| 08:29.15 | anonymous865 | hehe |
| 08:29.20 | deadcat | liable: pay attention to her hand |
| 08:29.36 | overnout | yess they buy a pc with windows on it and antivirus software that doesnt let them do anything |
| 08:29.48 | deadcat | haha |
| 08:29.52 | deadcat | so true |
| 08:30.01 | overnout | :D |
| 08:30.31 | deadcat | and its as fast as machines 3 years ago. |
| 08:30.59 | overnout | xexe |
| 08:31.33 | anonymous865 | ooo I love how windows eats up 100 percent of my cpu when I am just browsing the internet |
| 08:31.42 | anonymous865 | oh ya |
| 08:31.45 | overnout | brrr |
| 08:32.00 | anonymous865 | alright yall |
| 08:32.02 | anonymous865 | cya |
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| 08:33.06 | deadcat | i have a bunch of .vob files in a dir. how do i make that into a dvd iso? i have all the required files in that dir |
| 08:34.26 | kevix | deadcat: dvdauthor ? |
| 08:34.59 | deadcat | oh |
| 08:35.08 | tugrussel | ok I ditched windows 2003, installed linux server, secured it with a firewall (only allowing port 80 and 22/ssh access) but still it got compromised and now I cannot seem to get rid of the thing infecting my server it runs a lot of perl scripts and borks apache by making connections on port 80 |
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| 08:35.15 | deadcat | nice (= |
| 08:35.24 | deadcat | the f is 2003? |
| 08:35.28 | deadcat | new stuff? |
| 08:36.04 | deadcat | tugrussel: what stuff you run on port 80 and 22? |
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| 08:36.17 | dondelelcaro | tugrussel: uh... if that's happened, you need to you need to totally reinstall the box |
| 08:36.26 | kevix | tugrussel: so do a 'find' for pearl script |
| 08:36.37 | deadcat | kevix: doubt thats gonna help. |
| 08:36.59 | kevix | tugrussel: did you use red hat 6.1 ? |
| 08:37.04 | EdLin | tugrussel: next time don't pick dictionary words as a password. |
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| 08:38.06 | liable | deadcat: does the farting one play smooth for you? |
| 08:38.10 | kevix | EdLin: yea that and allowing ssh to use password auth |
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| 08:38.42 | deadcat | liable: it plays ok.. quality is bad. just the sound is funny |
| 08:39.17 | kevix | time to go too much farting! |
| 08:39.30 | tugrussel | the password was not a dictionary word...and I couldnt get shorewall to only accept my mac id |
| 08:39.52 | tugrussel | kevix, I was using debian unstable so all the security updates were there |
| 08:40.05 | tugrussel | is there any way to secure ssh more? |
| 08:40.46 | deadcat | tugrussel: no |
| 08:40.46 | deadcat | you want stable |
| 08:40.46 | liable | tugrussel: what? |
| 08:40.46 | wintalker | i am configuring phpbb2 on debian. i have opened index.php. but it shows this: Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later. what is going on? |
| 08:40.47 | EdLin | tugrussel: a) unstable has no security upgrades b) you're running unstable on a production server? Are you on crack? |
| 08:40.48 | deadcat | tugrussel: disable root install john and test all users' passwd |
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| 08:41.13 | liable | tugrussel: disallow password auth and allow keys only |
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| 08:41.47 | blz321 | hi could sum1 tell me why "startx" won't work |
| 08:41.59 | Eulex | !doesn't work |
| 08:41.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:42.06 | EdLin | !sum1 |
| 08:42.07 | dpkg | try someone |
| 08:42.30 | liable | blz321: what did you install? |
| 08:42.37 | blz321 | it keeps saying "Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios)" |
| 08:42.42 | blz321 | in the log file |
| 08:42.56 | yos87 | liable: hi |
| 08:42.57 | liable | blz321: just installing gnome or whatever wont give you x |
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| 08:43.06 | blz321 | im using colinux |
| 08:43.09 | liable | yos87: hi |
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| 08:43.26 | EdLin | blz321: then you're in the wrong channel |
| 08:43.43 | liable | !colinux |
| 08:43.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a ... |
| 08:43.46 | ahi1975 | hallooooooooooooooo kann mir jemand sagen wie viel platz ich für debian auf der festplatte brauche |
| 08:43.50 | yos87 | liable: I have a trouble |
| 08:43.52 | Eulex | !de |
| 08:43.52 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 08:43.59 | blz321 | well can i ask, if im using xwin32 for graphics |
| 08:44.03 | blz321 | do i need gnome? |
| 08:44.11 | yos87 | liable: when I write startx it will give an error |
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| 08:44.30 | blz321 | im sick of seeing the gnome error "falling back to dialogue" all the time |
| 08:44.38 | blz321 | can i avoid this error by removing gnome from a config file? |
| 08:44.43 | EdLin | blz321: what makes you think that #debian is for asking colinux questions? |
| 08:44.51 | blz321 | thats not colinux |
| 08:44.51 | liable | yos87: and the error is? |
| 08:45.03 | liable | its not debian either |
| 08:45.08 | blz321 | it is tho |
| 08:45.12 | EdLin | blz321: then ask on ##linux |
| 08:45.13 | blz321 | debian filesystem is different |
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| 08:45.35 | EdLin | !based on debian |
| 08:45.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, based on debian is Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 08:45.36 | yos87 | liable: error 104 fatal 10 connection reset by peer |
| 08:45.50 | yos87 | liable: up to now I did not use the graphic more |
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| 08:46.43 | liable | yos87: what have you installed? |
| 08:46.44 | yos87 | liable: this after I finish apt-get install x-wi... |
| 08:47.01 | yos87 | liable: yesterday |
| 08:47.02 | tugrussel | Edlin: I thought that unstable didnt have the securtiy upgrades because all of the upgrades were first brought to unstable then forwarded on |
| 08:47.26 | yos87 | liable: you forget, I installed with your help and kevix help |
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| 08:47.34 | blz321 | do u guys like gnome or kde better? |
| 08:47.38 | EdLin | tugrussel: that's what happens to testing, not stable |
| 08:47.51 | EdLin | !u |
| 08:47.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 08:48.21 | blz321 | so |
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| 08:48.34 | blz321 | can sum1 please tell me how to get rid of that stuipd display error |
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| 08:48.44 | blz321 | and just have everything exported to xwin32 by default |
| 08:48.59 | Eulex | blz321, you are still in the wrong channel |
| 08:49.11 | tugrussel | EdLin, can I use testing? |
| 08:49.32 | Eulex | tugrussel, for a production server -- use stable. |
| 08:49.35 | EdLin | tugrussel: use stable for a server, testing would be even worse security-wise |
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| 08:51.07 | tugrussel | ok...another thing...I need to allow a remote computer acess to the SQL server on the machine but no one else...has anyone done that with shorewall? |
| 08:51.09 | liable | yos87: yes, i forget lots of things. type this in the window grep EE /var/log/XFree86.log.0 |
| 08:51.29 | wintalker | finally. i have finished configuring phpbb2. it works fine. |
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| 08:51.33 | liable | is that right? i always forget what the xfree log is.. |
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| 08:51.42 | Kool-Aid | Hey, is there a channel where sys admins hang out? |
| 08:51.55 | Sonik_Blast | hello all :) |
| 08:52.19 | tugrussel | plus...someone here mentioned authenticating with keys...any tutorials for a cracked up noob? :D |
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| 08:52.56 | blz321 | how can i uninstall KDE in debian? |
| 08:53.02 | liable | tugrussel: most sshd tutes will tell you how to set up public keys |
| 08:53.08 | liable | !remove kde |
| 08:53.08 | dpkg | i guess remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 08:53.37 | blz321 | how can i set the default X-window display on debian? |
| 08:53.56 | yos87 | liable: not sush file to directory |
| 08:54.05 | EdLin | !drxx blz321 |
| 08:54.05 | dpkg | blz321: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 08:54.17 | Eulex | yos87, use tab completion to find it. |
| 08:54.28 | liable | yos87: grep EE /var/log/X<tab> |
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| 08:54.56 | Eulex | yos87, and if one <tab> doesn't display anything, press it again. |
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| 08:55.50 | liable | blz321: what do you want to do? make a certain wm start when you type startx? |
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| 08:56.24 | blz321 | well i want something to start |
| 08:56.28 | yos87 | eulex: -bash syntex erorr |
| 08:56.32 | blz321 | i keep getting an IO error saying open APM failed |
| 08:56.45 | blz321 | even though under dpkg-reconfigure i chose ATI as my graphics driver |
| 08:56.54 | Eulex | yos87, <tab> means that you should press the tab key on your keyboard |
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| 08:57.21 | blz321 | i hav ea feeling its not going to xf86config-4 as the config file and its using something else |
| 08:57.31 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 08:57.32 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 08:57.33 | liable | wheres ae? |
| 08:57.33 | Eulex | blz321, please, you're still in the wrong channel. anyway, I doubt that you could use the ati driver in colinux. |
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| 08:58.20 | blz321 | how do you start gnome in debian |
| 08:58.23 | blz321 | without using startx |
| 08:58.34 | yos87 | eulex: there is xfree86.0.log |
| 08:58.42 | Eulex | yos87, then open it. |
| 08:58.53 | starfishy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.53 | yos87 | eulex: not opening |
| 08:58.55 | liable | blz321: you cant apart from using a dm. install gdm |
| 08:58.59 | starfishy | and select gnome from the menu |
| 08:59.29 | blz321 | it says its already running |
| 08:59.35 | Eulex | blz321, if X doesn't want to start, that won't solve it. |
| 08:59.36 | blz321 | but id ont see nething |
| 08:59.57 | blz321 | i can see graphics on xwin32 if i type xclock or other progs |
| 09:00.01 | blz321 | but for sum reason startx wont work |
| 09:00.02 | yos87 | eulex: there is way to open it? |
| 09:00.17 | Eulex | yos87, yes, use nano, vim etc |
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| 09:00.33 | yos87 | nano, and your link |
| 09:00.39 | starfishy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.48 | Eulex | blz321, ffs, we don't know how things are supposed to work in colinux. please go to the right channel. |
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| 09:01.13 | starfishy | btw, before you can start gnome, make sure that X starts without gnome |
| 09:02.10 | blz321 | ok |
| 09:02.13 | blz321 | yea x is working |
| 09:02.46 | yos87 | eulex: it open something empty |
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| 09:02.56 | blz321 | startx gives me the fatal io error on x server ":0.0" |
| 09:02.56 | yos87 | eulex: there is new file downalso |
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| 09:03.12 | blz321 | y does it thing :0.0 is the server, can i change that to the real server 192.168.0.3? |
| 09:03.26 | yos87 | peterS:hi |
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| 09:04.27 | Eulex | yos87, then you've opened the wrong file. are you aware that file names in linux are case sensitive? |
| 09:04.37 | EdLin | !y |
| 09:04.38 | dpkg | i guess y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 09:05.05 | liable | yos87: what is the exact command you are using? |
| 09:05.40 | yos87 | nano /var/log/xfree86.0.log |
| 09:06.27 | xirjs | i did a debian installation from sarge/netinstall very minimum .. which packages do i need to get all the header files for kernel-compile? |
| 09:06.29 | yos87 | is there a differant between small and capital letter |
| 09:06.37 | Eulex | yos87, file names in linux are case sensitive. the file's name is XFree86.0.log |
| 09:06.59 | liable | yos87: use grep instead of nano. |
| 09:07.19 | Eulex | xirjs, build-essential and kernel-package |
| 09:07.34 | vosti | xirjs, kernel-headers-2.x.x |
| 09:07.48 | xirjs | thx |
| 09:08.13 | xirjs | i tried the new sarge-installer first time ... it works great! ;) |
| 09:08.21 | Eulex | xirjs, and libncurses5-dev for make menuconfig |
| 09:08.44 | vosti | xirjs, oops sorry i misunderstood...to build you need gcc make libncurses5-dev (menuconfig) |
| 09:08.59 | xirjs | vosti: got it allready |
| 09:09.17 | yos87 | liable: I did grep /var/log/Xfree86.0.log, it stck here |
| 09:09.25 | yos87 | liable: maybe he take a nap |
| 09:09.28 | Eulex | yos87, man grep |
| 09:09.32 | liable | yos87: grep EE |
| 09:09.49 | liable | yos87: hit ctrl c |
| 09:10.08 | yos87 | ok |
| 09:10.22 | yos87 | what is the ee after grep |
| 09:10.29 | liable | EE |
| 09:10.54 | liable | yos87: it searches for EE in that file |
| 09:11.11 | Eulex | yos87, that is, grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 09:12.36 | yos87 | eulex: yea, I did grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
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| 09:12.49 | yos87 | eulex: no such file or directory |
| 09:13.03 | yos87 | eulex: it's not working |
| 09:13.06 | streuner | yos87: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 09:13.15 | Guerin | yos87: fuck's sakes |
| 09:13.20 | Eulex | yos87, I just copied what you said. it's XFree86.0.log, not Xfree86.0.log or xfree86.0.log |
| 09:13.22 | streuner | yos87: XFree86.0.log |
| 09:13.25 | Guerin | yos87: look in that fucking directory and you will see your error |
| 09:13.31 | streuner | not /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 09:13.33 | starfishy | yos: its XFree, not Xfree |
| 09:14.05 | yos87 | eulex: working |
| 09:14.33 | yos87 | eulex: it opened |
| 09:14.50 | yos87 | eulex: I didn't saw the F is capital |
| 09:14.54 | Eulex | yos87, of course |
| 09:14.59 | streuner | yos87: don't tell us every single little step you made |
| 09:15.12 | streuner | yos87: tell us what output you got |
| 09:15.29 | yos87 | streuner: tell us! |
| 09:15.44 | yos87 | streuner: it's some line |
| 09:15.52 | Guerin | !paster yos87 |
| 09:15.52 | dpkg | yos87: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 09:16.01 | streuner | yos87: use what Guerin told you |
| 09:16.42 | yos87 | streuner: I get cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:17.04 | Eulex | yos87, what kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 09:17.47 | yos87 | eulex: it's orange, with wheel |
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| 09:18.00 | Eulex | yos87, ps2 or usb? |
| 09:18.02 | liable | hah |
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| 09:18.11 | yos87 | eulex: ps2 |
| 09:18.20 | tziku | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.27 | Eulex | yos87, then you should have selected /dev/psaux and the imps2 protocol |
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| 09:18.35 | Eulex | !drxx yos87 |
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| 09:18.36 | dpkg | yos87: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:20.48 | xirjs | uups .. where do i find realtek 8139 module in 2.6.x ? |
| 09:21.04 | streuner | xirjs: cat /proc/version |
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| 09:21.26 | man0_ | hi |
| 09:21.31 | xirjs | streuner: in menuconfig |
| 09:21.33 | Eulex | xirjs, it's built as a module in the debian 2.6 kernels. there are actually two modules for it, 8139cp and 8139too |
| 09:21.45 | streuner | xirjs: network? |
| 09:21.51 | xirjs | Eulex: where are they? i dont find them ... ? |
| 09:22.05 | xirjs | Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) ... |
| 09:22.06 | xirjs | ? |
| 09:22.12 | streuner | 10 |
| 09:22.12 | Eulex | xirjs, yes, should be there. |
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| 09:22.21 | Eulex | !wayc xirjs |
| 09:22.21 | dpkg | xirjs: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:22.30 | streuner | if there is a difference... |
| 09:22.48 | xirjs | dpkg: no, i want to compile ... there is not realy a reason ... just practice... |
| 09:22.48 | dpkg | xirjs: what are you talking about? |
| 09:22.56 | xirjs | ;-0)) |
| 09:23.02 | Eulex | dpkg is a bot |
| 09:23.06 | man0_ | anyone who is experiencing usb mass storage device not automounting in sid? |
| 09:23.10 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 09:23.10 | xirjs | yup, ... |
| 09:23.10 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 09:23.13 | EdLin | !what are you? |
| 09:23.38 | vahvarh | =))) |
| 09:23.42 | EdLin | streuner: gmta |
| 09:23.44 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 09:23.45 | dpkg | well, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 09:24.01 | streuner | EdLin: gmta? |
| 09:24.11 | Eulex | !gmta |
| 09:24.11 | dpkg | somebody said gmta was great minds think alike, or see gmafta |
| 09:24.22 | yos87 | streunet: http://channels.debian.net/paste what is this link? |
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| 09:24.39 | vahvarh | !gmfta |
| 09:24.39 | dpkg | it has been said that gmfta is great minds and fools think alike |
| 09:24.40 | streuner | yos87: see for yourself |
| 09:24.48 | liable | yos87: its for pasting large amounts of text |
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| 09:25.50 | vahvarh | Guys, anyone can help - keyboard layout switch (grp:shifts_toggle) stopped working. (grp:alt_shift_toggle works) |
| 09:26.41 | yos87 | liable: what kind of mouse should I choose |
| 09:27.29 | Eulex | yos87, /dev/psaux, imps2 |
| 09:27.46 | threat | BBL, watching SG1 Season 1 :P |
| 09:27.51 | EdLin | or /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:28.00 | Eulex | EdLin, not for a ps/2 mouse |
| 09:28.24 | yos87 | eulex: it's not in the list |
| 09:29.09 | Eulex | yos87, what have you got in the list? |
| 09:29.38 | yos87 | psaux |
| 09:29.40 | yos87 | ttys0 |
| 09:29.44 | yos87 | s1 to 3 |
| 09:29.46 | yos87 | mice |
| 09:29.51 | yos87 | adbmouse |
| 09:29.54 | Eulex | yos87, then select psaux |
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| 09:30.17 | Eulex | yos87, then as protocol, select imps2 |
| 09:30.18 | liable | sarge doesnt do /dev/input/mice in xfree conf does it? |
| 09:30.33 | yos87 | eulex: I select |
| 09:30.50 | EdLin | liable: it does /dev/input/mice in sarge. I've done it here. |
| 09:31.08 | liable | EdLin: hrm, ok. cant remember seeing it is all. |
| 09:31.41 | EdLin | liable: I use it, I have a USB mouse. |
| 09:31.45 | man0_ | someone has automuonting working in sid? |
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| 09:33.20 | fantomas | Can a user start X server? |
| 09:33.20 | yos87 | eulex: I type start x, it start but I get a messege unable to start x session, no /home/yos87/xsersom fil |
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| 09:33.41 | yos87 | eulex: in the graphic mode |
| 09:33.41 | tziku | i want to block entire 21.21.0.* class on UDP. Is correct this: iptables -I INPUT -p udp -s 21.21.0.* -j DROP ? |
| 09:33.55 | liable | yos87: did you install gnome? |
| 09:33.58 | Eulex | yos87, xsersom? what's the correct file name? |
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| 09:34.36 | yos87 | EULEX: xsession |
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| 09:34.53 | fantomas | tziku: /j #iptables ? |
| 09:34.58 | yos87 | liable: no |
| 09:35.14 | Eulex | yos87, have you installed any window manager or desktop environment? |
| 09:35.16 | man0_ | bye and thanks |
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| 09:36.29 | yos87 | Eulex: just apt-get install xwindow-... |
| 09:36.50 | Eulex | yos87, you'll need a window manager or a desktop environment too. |
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| 09:37.04 | EdLin | yos87: and an xterm |
| 09:37.12 | liable | yos87: apt-get install gnome |
| 09:37.22 | liable | yos87: or kde if you want that |
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| 09:37.43 | vahvarh | tziku: iptables -I INPUT -p udo -s 21.21.0.0/24 -j DROP |
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| 09:37.59 | tziku | udp or udo ? |
| 09:38.01 | yos87 | liable: I hear gnome is better |
| 09:38.05 | vahvarh | tziku: udp. =) |
| 09:38.09 | tziku | ok thx :) |
| 09:38.10 | Eulex | EdLin, x-window-system includes xterm |
| 09:38.17 | liable | yos87: install gnome then to start with |
| 09:38.24 | Eulex | yos87, which is better is 100% subjective |
| 09:39.12 | EdLin | yos87: I prefer something more light-weight, but if you're a newbie, with plenty of hardware, GNOME or KDE are probably OK. |
| 09:39.25 | vahvarh | wmaker rulez =) |
| 09:40.13 | fantomas | Anybody knows is there a way to start X by non-root? Currently it failed with a message: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 09:40.35 | EdLin | fantomas: startx |
| 09:41.06 | fantomas | EdLin: if X fails, startx will fail too |
| 09:41.28 | EdLin | fantomas: does it fail? |
| 09:41.30 | vahvarh | One _should_ run X as non-user =) Though I dont clearly know why =) |
| 09:41.58 | vahvarh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.20 | fantomas | EdLin: sure. Thats what I started with :) |
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| 09:42.56 | fantomas | vahvarh: well, would you tell how you run X? |
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| 09:44.45 | vosti | fantomas, do you have an xinitrc configure correctly? |
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| 09:45.40 | zumbi | !hi |
| 09:45.41 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
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| 09:46.58 | fantomas | vosti: not sure, but I didn't edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and stuff wich it references to |
| 09:47.00 | zumbi | i have installed mysql and debconf told me to configure a passwd for root, i have done so, but when i execute : $ sudo mysqladmin -u root create data_base, i get some errors |
| 09:47.30 | zumbi | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 09:47.40 | fantomas | zumbi: add -p |
| 09:48.19 | zumbi | fantomas: thanks |
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| 09:48.30 | vosti | fantomas, create a .xinitrc in you home with #!/bin/bash \n exec your_window_manager |
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| 09:52.31 | harleyg | hi |
| 09:52.54 | harleyg | i have kde 3.4 running, i did apt-get install kdebase, but why cant i get 3.5 :) |
| 09:53.23 | liable | because its not in the repo? |
| 09:53.26 | EdLin | harleyg: /topic |
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| 09:54.15 | fantomas | vosti: doesn't work. I believe the problem is unable to start server, not client |
| 09:54.42 | fantomas | vosti: and I need to run just 'X', not xinit |
| 09:55.18 | yos87 | liable |
| 09:55.39 | liable | yos87: |
| 09:55.39 | yos87 | how to let him scan the cd |
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| 09:55.50 | yos87 | and add it to the sources file |
| 09:55.57 | vosti | fantomas, understood, i have no more clue ... sorry |
| 09:56.03 | liable | yos87: put cd1 in, run apt-setup |
| 09:56.18 | liable | yos87: you should already have the cd's in your sources list |
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| 09:56.37 | liable | fantomas: this is a new sarge install? |
| 09:57.02 | yos87 | liable: but when I write apt-get install gnome, he say package name is not available |
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| 09:57.29 | wintalker | why the command clear only clear 1 page? how to clear the whole page to blank? |
| 09:57.30 | fantomas | liable: no, my history: woody stable -> sid -> sarge |
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| 09:57.58 | liable | fantomas: uh? sid -> sarge? |
| 09:57.59 | vyrus001 | lol u went from sid to sarge ? |
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| 09:58.18 | EdLin | !u |
| 09:58.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:58.31 | liable | yos87: apt-cache search gnome (are you sure you didnt make a typo?) |
| 09:58.38 | fantomas | liable: yeah :) I was on sid about a year ago and moved to testing after |
| 09:58.40 | EdLin | the floggings will continue until morale improves! |
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| 09:58.56 | vyrus001 | hm |
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| 09:59.43 | liable | fantomas: this is all without re-installing at all? and you are just installing x? |
| 09:59.50 | haro | I have a "233MHz 64M" old pc.Can i use sarge to be a file server on it. |
| 10:00.02 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying to compile lirc-modules using the source package from stable and it's failing with `I2C_ALGO_BIT' undeclared |
| 10:00.10 | Eulex | haro, of course |
| 10:00.25 | EmleyMoor | haro: Sounds more than adequate |
| 10:00.31 | Eulex | EmleyMoor, is that the first error? |
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| 10:01.23 | harleyg | sorry did anyone reply to my quetion? bloody thing :) |
| 10:01.55 | EdLin | harleyg: the answer is /topic |
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| 10:02.02 | EmleyMoor | No - conflicting types for `irqreturn_t' |
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| 10:02.28 | EdLin | ugh! |
| 10:02.58 | haro | Why debian install exim4? I perfer postfix? |
| 10:03.10 | liable | haro: so install postfix.. |
| 10:03.27 | Zugschlus | haro: exim4 is Debian's default |
| 10:03.34 | harleyg | and i use http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ how? |
| 10:03.37 | EmleyMoor | haro: So, install it. exim4 is the default but nothing to stop you installing postfix if you prefer it |
| 10:03.53 | Zugschlus | harleyg: you don't. |
| 10:03.59 | Zugschlus | harleyg: kde 3.5.1 is in unstable |
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| 10:04.15 | harleyg | nono |
| 10:04.21 | harleyg | you dont understand |
| 10:04.25 | Zugschlus | and the 3.5.0 on alioth is compiled against unstable as well. |
| 10:04.26 | harleyg | how do i installl it |
| 10:04.26 | harleyg | :/ |
| 10:04.31 | Zugschlus | you don't. |
| 10:04.40 | harleyg | nono |
| 10:04.48 | harleyg | i didnt ask whether its stable |
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| 10:04.56 | harleyg | i asked how to install it |
| 10:05.00 | harleyg | god damn it :/ |
| 10:05.08 | Zugschlus | harleyg: why do you want to install an outdated kde development version? |
| 10:05.09 | EmleyMoor | harleyg: What's the problem? Are you running unstable? |
| 10:05.11 | haro | I want a desktop PC that runs GNOME.How many RAM do i Need |
| 10:05.25 | Zugschlus | haro: I won't go below 256M. 512 is a safe bet |
| 10:05.26 | harleyg | im not running it as a main thing |
| 10:05.30 | harleyg | i just want to try it |
| 10:05.35 | haro | ...... |
| 10:05.42 | Zugschlus | harleyg: why do you want to try an outdated development version of KDE? |
| 10:05.54 | EmleyMoor | Answer "yes" or "no": Are you running unstable (sid)? |
| 10:05.56 | harleyg | where the hell is the new version then! |
| 10:06.01 | Zugschlus | harleyg: in Debian unstable |
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| 10:06.11 | harleyg | im in unstable/testing.. |
| 10:06.16 | haro | if Debian need 512 either. I think i will use Ubuntu instead of Debian |
| 10:06.20 | EmleyMoor | harleyg: Which? |
| 10:06.32 | harleyg | testing/unstable |
| 10:06.35 | harleyg | i dunno : |
| 10:06.39 | harleyg | :)* |
| 10:06.47 | Zugschlus | haro: since Ubuntu is Debian with candy added, I'd be surprised if Ubuntu's memory requirements would be lower than Debian's |
| 10:06.58 | EmleyMoor | harleyg: Find out |
| 10:07.05 | EdLin | harleyg: are you runing plain Debian, or a Debian-based distribution? |
| 10:07.06 | Zugschlus | harleyg: if you don't know that, use stable. |
| 10:07.08 | harleyg | what onen of what |
| 10:07.19 | harleyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.23 | harleyg | which what! |
| 10:07.25 | liable | yos87: ?? |
| 10:07.29 | EmleyMoor | Which out of testing or unstable? |
| 10:07.29 | harleyg | explain your selfs.. |
| 10:07.33 | harleyg | both |
| 10:07.34 | harleyg | a mix |
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| 10:07.46 | EmleyMoor | OK - just install kde from unstable then |
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| 10:07.53 | domdk | Hello |
| 10:07.56 | harleyg | ok |
| 10:07.59 | Zugschlus | harleyg: ok, I'm going to stop helping you if you insist on shooting yourself |
| 10:08.10 | harleyg | im not shooting myself god damn it |
| 10:08.11 | domdk | There is a problem with ssh and hal.. they both try to create a new group with gid 102.. |
| 10:08.21 | Zugschlus | domdk: adduser bug |
| 10:08.37 | Eulex | EmleyMoor, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 10:08.37 | domdk | Zugschlus: what do you mean? |
| 10:08.45 | Zugschlus | domdk: please try the adduser patch in #351480 |
| 10:08.53 | liable | domdk: check bts |
| 10:09.16 | EmleyMoor | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:09.16 | Eulex | umh |
| 10:09.31 | Eulex | harleyg, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 10:09.33 | Eulex | EmleyMoor, sorry |
| 10:09.37 | haro | I think Ubuntu uses more memory than Debian .But if I have enough memory.This is not a problem. |
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| 10:09.38 | Zugschlus | harleyg: you are shooting yourself by not having a remote clue _and_ running an unreleased development version of Debian |
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| 10:09.46 | AKX | Any lighter alternatives to ntop? |
| 10:09.49 | liable | haro: so use it then |
| 10:09.50 | EmleyMoor | Eulex: I did |
| 10:09.51 | harleyg | whadever |
| 10:09.52 | domdk | ok |
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| 10:10.05 | bigredx24x | anybody ever use ncurses? |
| 10:10.18 | EdLin | !anyone use ncurses? |
| 10:10.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses ncurses, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:10.21 | Olivier_G | Hello ! |
| 10:10.32 | Olivier_G | I have got aquestion about Seamonkey. |
| 10:10.33 | Zugschlus | !anyone uses foo |
| 10:10.40 | Zugschlus | !anyone use foo |
| 10:10.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses foo, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:10.44 | Zugschlus | ah ;) |
| 10:10.50 | bigredx24x | foo ? |
| 10:10.54 | Olivier_G | Will the package of Mozilla be upgraded in seamonkey ? |
| 10:10.58 | bigredx24x | we have to use it for a project |
| 10:10.59 | haro | but now I do not have enough memory.I can only use XFCE4 instead of GNOME.(Xubuntu) |
| 10:11.00 | bigredx24x | its horrible |
| 10:11.22 | Eulex | haro, I guess that's a good thing |
| 10:11.25 | liable | ncurses is fine.. |
| 10:11.37 | EmleyMoor | Eulex: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:11.42 | liable | as a ui |
| 10:11.46 | bigredx24x | wit is, but when u combine it with select(), bad things happen |
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| 10:11.54 | EdLin | !u |
| 10:11.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 10:12.08 | liable | !seen jim |
| 10:12.08 | Eulex | EmleyMoor, it was meant for harleyg, not you. sorry |
| 10:12.08 | dpkg | jim <n=jim@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 104d 8h 35m 25s ago, saying: 'and ftp'. |
| 10:12.17 | EmleyMoor | Oh |
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| 10:13.19 | haro | Eulex, maybe you are right. |
| 10:13.39 | bigredx24x | exit |
| 10:14.18 | EmleyMoor | Well, if anyone can advise why my lirc-modules compile is failing, starting with include/linux/interrupt.h:31: error: conflicting types for `irqreturn_t', I would be very grateful |
| 10:14.33 | rutski89 | What's with the "0g" or "1g" i see on libdev packages in debian? |
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| 10:14.54 | Eulex | haro, well, I'm a supporter and translator of xfce4, so it's a good thing from my viewpoint :) |
| 10:15.21 | haro | ... |
| 10:15.21 | Diazepam | guys just installed a CD burner and now the system hangs after logging in - any suggestions |
| 10:15.41 | EmleyMoor | Diazepam: Does it hang if you disconnect the burner? |
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| 10:16.01 | haro | Eulex, Where are you from? I am Chinese. |
| 10:16.30 | goron | I have this line in my fstab: /dev/hdb5 /mnt/wind vfat umask=0000 0 0 |
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| 10:16.55 | suthink | Hi, how can I find out what process is using a given device? |
| 10:16.58 | goron | When I first umount /mnt/wind and then do mount -a, I still can't write anything to it as user. |
| 10:17.03 | Eulex | haro, I'm swedish |
| 10:17.05 | suthink | (and thus making it "busy" so it can't be unmounted) |
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| 10:17.09 | goron | I want that everyone can write to it. |
| 10:17.32 | suthink | goron: try mounting it as a normal user, rather than root. |
| 10:17.42 | EmleyMoor | goron: Check the permissions of the mount point |
| 10:17.42 | EdLin | suthink: lsof |
| 10:17.53 | tarzeau | guess this is not dfsg free: http://gnu.ethz.ch/COPYING |
| 10:17.53 | liable | suthink: lsof /dev/foo or fuser |
| 10:17.55 | suthink | EdLin: ah, of course; thanks. |
| 10:18.08 | goron | EmleyMoor: I did chmod -R o+w on the mount point. |
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| 10:18.20 | EdLin | np |
| 10:18.21 | goron | EmleyMoor: shouldn't that be enough? |
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| 10:19.00 | EmleyMoor | What kind of filesystem is it? |
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| 10:19.06 | liable | goron: try adding rw |
| 10:19.40 | EmleyMoor | goron: what kind of filesystem? |
| 10:19.57 | goron | EmleyMoor: fat32 |
| 10:20.04 | goron | EmleyMoor: (vfat) |
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| 10:20.31 | Eulex | !vfatrw |
| 10:20.31 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
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| 10:21.18 | goron | ty |
| 10:22.36 | liable | goron: adding rw will do it, man mount /defaults |
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| 10:22.43 | xst007 | Hi |
| 10:23.04 | liable | hola! |
| 10:23.24 | Eulex | EdLin, is that a script? |
| 10:23.38 | EdLin | Eulex: no, but it should be |
| 10:23.39 | liable | heh, 50 people and 650 bots.. |
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| 10:24.10 | EdLin | liable: with some of the people acting like bots |
| 10:25.01 | liable | EdLin: i dont know EdLin :P |
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| 10:25.35 | EdLin | liable: myself included of course. ;-) |
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| 10:27.06 | liable | who has a clue as to why acpid battery events wake my laptop screen up? |
| 10:27.33 | liable | its annoying the shit out of me and i have no clue how to fix it. |
| 10:28.24 | liable | hrm, ibm-acpi battery events to be specific.. i guess here aint the best place to ask.. |
| 10:29.25 | EdLin | liable: my desktop has a broken ACPI BIOS, some other operating systems crash on it from trying to use its broken ACPI support. |
| 10:29.29 | Diazepam | EmlyMoor: no it doesnt hang if i disconnect the burner. |
| 10:29.51 | liable | Diazepam: check your kern logs from the other reboot |
| 10:29.54 | Daedalus_ | I accidentally edited a conf file. How do I convince dpkg that all is well and it can update things again? |
| 10:30.09 | Daedalus_ | There's someplace I have to dump an md5sum |
| 10:30.12 | liable | Diazepam: edited or deleted? |
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| 10:30.15 | EmleyMoor | OK - are you sure the burner is connected correctly? Check your kernel logs and if it is not clearly detected, the wiring or drive may be faulty |
| 10:30.26 | Daedalus_ | liable: edited, and since fixed again. |
| 10:30.37 | goron | liable: I have this: /dev/hda5 /mnt/wind vfat rw,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 10:30.47 | Diazepam | kernel log picks it up as hdc |
| 10:30.47 | goron | liable: and it's not working. |
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| 10:31.14 | goron | "Access denied (when writing a file)" |
| 10:31.20 | liable | goron: ok, works here.. |
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| 10:31.46 | liable | goron: you did remount it i take it.. |
| 10:31.54 | liable | Diazepam: what file? |
| 10:32.00 | goron | liable: yes |
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| 10:32.10 | goron | (as root) |
| 10:32.17 | Diazepam | nah sorry here it is "hdd: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand } |
| 10:32.17 | Diazepam | " |
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| 10:32.44 | liable | goron: whats cat /proc/mounts say? |
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| 10:33.14 | goron | /dev/hda5 /mnt/wind vfat rw,nodiratime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 |
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| 10:34.18 | goron | liable: I don't see the 0000 coming back here, so I didn't properly remount it? |
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| 10:34.37 | liable | goron: the masks are wrong for some reason. 22 is read + x |
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| 10:35.03 | blade73 | ciao a tutti |
| 10:35.12 | liable | goron: mount -o remount rw /mnt/wind |
| 10:35.13 | goron | liable: what's the first zero? |
| 10:35.41 | coolpix | oi |
| 10:35.42 | Eulex | read, write, execute |
| 10:35.48 | goron | liable: nope, does not work. |
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| 10:36.16 | liable | goron: mount -o remount umask=000 /mnt/wind |
| 10:36.44 | goron | liable: no |
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| 10:37.05 | goron | liable: I saw that I was not a member of the users group. That's horribly wrong, right? |
| 10:37.18 | Zrin | i've installed proftpd on woody, but it gives me "501 Unknown destination address" when logging in regardles of the username supplied ... using standard shadow passwd ... i'll thank you for any hint! |
| 10:37.46 | liable | goron: no, i dont even know what that group does. |
| 10:38.03 | goron | liable: oh, then maybe it's a FreeBSD thing. |
| 10:38.12 | goron | liable: (I ran that for some time) |
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| 10:38.16 | SerajewelKS | my ssh sessions are timing out if i don't type for a few minutes, even though the -R/-L tunnels are in use. the connection is being reset, not closed properly. what would cause this? |
| 10:38.17 | liable | oh |
| 10:38.46 | SerajewelKS | clientaliveinterval is set |
| 10:39.03 | SerajewelKS | so i don't know why it's being reset.. almost as if the modem forgets it's there... but the tunnels are being used |
| 10:39.10 | Zrin | SerajewelKS enable tcp keepalive |
| 10:39.11 | rutski89 | Is there a way to trick the "make install" part of compiling a program into thinking that "/" is really "/home/rutski89/tmp" ? |
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| 10:39.19 | liable | goron: did the /proc/mounts change when you remounted? |
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| 10:39.46 | EmleyMoor | rutski: Do you mean "make install" normally installs to / but you want to install to the other place? |
| 10:40.03 | goron | liable: doesn't seem so |
| 10:40.15 | goron | liable: I will umount it first |
| 10:40.17 | Eulex | rutski89, you could ./configure --prefix=whatever |
| 10:40.27 | liable | goron: yeah, was just gonna suggest that. |
| 10:40.30 | rutski89 | Eulex, X11 doesn't have a configure script |
| 10:40.30 | EmleyMoor | Or make install prefix=whatever works with some |
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| 10:40.56 | rutski89 | EmleyMoor, hmm... how would i be able to tell befor hand? |
| 10:41.09 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: that is in |
| 10:41.11 | Zrin | where to look about proftpd's "501 Unknown destination address" when logging in? google didn't help |
| 10:41.13 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: on too |
| 10:41.26 | EmleyMoor | (that trick is often used when using stow - to install, say, wine into /usr/local/stow/wine-0.x but have it set up to run from /usr/local, and then use xstow to symlink) |
| 10:41.29 | goron | liable: it is clearly unmounted. Then your command, and the output stays the same. |
| 10:41.42 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: the tunnels are being actively used, so afaict the daemon itself is closing the connection.. but it's resetting it |
| 10:41.43 | EmleyMoor | rutski89: I'd test it somewhere innocuous first |
| 10:41.52 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: check that keepalive period is shorter that other (esp. NAT) timeouts |
| 10:41.53 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: i can't seem to reconcile the data |
| 10:41.58 | Eulex | rutski89, yep, the above only works with auto-toolized source trees. I know that there's a way of doing it with the x11 sources, gonna search for it... |
| 10:42.07 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: data is flowing, but the connection is reset.. somehow |
| 10:42.32 | domdk | mmh how do I patch adduser to resolve the conflicts with the group id? I can't find the #351480 anywhere.. |
| 10:42.33 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: you're sure about the data flowing? |
| 10:42.43 | liable | goron: strange, try the other options that dpkg gave then, all i have is umask,rw and users (which has nothing to do with perms) |
| 10:43.05 | liable | !dbugs #351480 |
| 10:43.09 | dpkg | #351480:S[adduser] exim4-base fails to install with debootstrap; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:33:02 UTC |
| 10:43.09 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: i'm running bittorrent through the tunnels, so yeah |
| 10:43.14 | rutski89 | Eulex, awesome, thanks :-) |
| 10:43.25 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: how many connections? |
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| 10:43.40 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: according to the azureus charts, the transfer rates drop to 0 only after the ssh process quits |
| 10:43.48 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: ~40 |
| 10:43.53 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: give or take 20 |
| 10:44.04 | Zugschlus | domdk: if you don't know how to find a bug by ID in the BTS; you definetely shouldn't run Debian _unstable_, an unreleased development version |
| 10:44.17 | domdk | :-\ |
| 10:44.18 | Zugschlus | domdk: http://bugs.debian.org/351480 |
| 10:44.22 | domdk | thanks.. |
| 10:44.50 | domdk | it said that the search engine couldn't search for numbers |
| 10:44.52 | Eulex | rutski89, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/CvsPage -- look at the host.def options they provide. the stable xorg/xfree86 should work in the same way. |
| 10:44.55 | rutski89 | Eulex, woohoo, the build just finished :-) |
| 10:44.59 | domdk | and "adduser bug" gave no results.. |
| 10:45.08 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: i'm using ssh tunnels (through double NAT) for mysql connections that last for days |
| 10:45.14 | liable | domdk: theres a window to enter bugs by number.. |
| 10:45.21 | rutski89 | Eulex, oh noo... you have to do that part before the build!? (IIRC) |
| 10:45.22 | Eulex | rutski89, specifically, look under the "How To build CVS without removing or overwriting an existing install" header |
| 10:45.22 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: which is why i suspect sshd |
| 10:45.23 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: the key was tcp keepalive |
| 10:45.24 | Zugschlus | domdk: If you need a search engine to search the BTS, you shouldn't run Debian unstable, which still _UNRELEASED_ and a _DEVELOPMENT_ version |
| 10:45.27 | Eulex | rutski89, yes. |
| 10:45.27 | domdk | I feel uncomfortable with lynx.. |
| 10:45.28 | liable | domdk: where di you do? |
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| 10:45.36 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: but then again the connection is *reset* -- even with data flow! |
| 10:45.42 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: run sshd in debug mode |
| 10:45.49 | liable | s/do/go/ |
| 10:45.52 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: so it seems like the router is dropping it, but how would it if there's active data =/ |
| 10:45.53 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: and check the output |
| 10:45.55 | Zugschlus | domdk: what will you do when the next unstable bug will prevent your system from booting? |
| 10:46.00 | domdk | I was trying the lists.debian.org search engine |
| 10:46.07 | liable | !bts |
| 10:46.07 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 10:46.12 | liable | domdk: ^^ |
| 10:46.14 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: for how long does the connection usually last? |
| 10:46.30 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: and i have another connection to the same server running irssi (this session in fact) that remains for days without me typing |
| 10:46.36 | domdk | Zugschlus: I will come here and ask you for how to solve it :-) |
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| 10:46.54 | liable | domdk: try sarge untill you get used to how stuffs works. |
| 10:46.57 | Zugschlus | domdk: very funny |
| 10:46.59 | Zugschlus | not. |
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| 10:47.07 | liable | domdk: we generally dont support sid here. |
| 10:47.12 | domdk | okay |
| 10:47.14 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: i'm not sure.. i don't pay attention until i restore azureus |
| 10:47.14 | Zrin | SerajewelKS: I'd take a look at sshd debug output |
| 10:47.16 | EmleyMoor | Are horde3 packages available for stable? |
| 10:47.19 | domdk | thanks for the help anyway |
| 10:47.23 | liable | !tell domdk about sid faq |
| 10:47.39 | SerajewelKS | Zrin: where does that output go |
| 10:48.01 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: how can just that tunnel for that ssh session be in use if the ssh session is idling? |
| 10:48.04 | goron | liable: hmm, I have no clue of why it doesn't work. I think I will boot my other computer to see how it works there. |
| 10:48.09 | Zrin | stop daemon and start sshd -d from command line, it goes to stdout or stderr then |
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| 10:48.21 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: what? |
| 10:48.34 | liable | goron: whats the perms on the mount point? |
| 10:49.11 | domdk | liable: thanks |
| 10:49.15 | rutski89 | Eulex, ok, time to rebuild; thanks for the info :-) |
| 10:49.23 | Eulex | rutski89, hehe, yw :) |
| 10:49.36 | liable | domdk: np |
| 10:50.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: can you rephrase that? |
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| 10:51.05 | jugglinx | Eulex, are u danish? |
| 10:51.16 | domdk | Zugschlus: how did you learn how to apply patches and solve problems with sid? Using stable release? I think next time I won't come here for asking help so I am happy to being using sid without knowing how to solve problems.. |
| 10:51.47 | Eulex | jugglinx, no, but I'm swedish |
| 10:51.51 | domdk | Reading a guide on how to solve problems before encountering them semms boring to me |
| 10:52.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:52.15 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
| 10:52.36 | jugglinx | colse enough :-) , i need one ae, for copy and paste, but i think u don t use it... |
| 10:53.09 | bp7 | why does popularity-contest depend on kernel 2.4 sources ? |
| 10:53.19 | Eulex | jugglinx, nah, we swedes use ä :) you could try looking for that ae character in gucharmap though |
| 10:53.45 | Eulex | bp7, it doesn't |
| 10:53.48 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you were saying that your ssh session is 'timing out' when you dont type anything for a while. How can the tunnel behind that session be in use if you dont type anything |
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| 10:54.08 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: there is no tunnel behind that session |
| 10:54.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: there are tunnels established on the same session that are in use by azureus |
| 10:54.24 | goron | liable: drwxr-xr-x 26 root |
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| 10:54.49 | liable | 26? |
| 10:54.59 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: try creating those tunnels with 'autossh' ( apt-cache show autossh ) |
| 10:55.01 | Zugschlus | domdk: the BTS is a very basic system which one should learn to work with on stable. |
| 10:55.04 | goron | liable: yes |
| 10:55.07 | Eulex | jugglinx, æ |
| 10:55.26 | Zugschlus | domdk: actually, I began using my first sid system seriously like three years after startin to use Debian |
| 10:55.33 | goron | liable: that doesn't look right. |
| 10:55.34 | liable | goron: still it should be 777 anyway with umask 000 |
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| 10:55.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'd rather figure out why this one is timing out |
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| 10:56.09 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its timing out because the target is unavailable or because its not in use |
| 10:56.11 | mrverbose | anyone here familiar with ppp & pap secrets? |
| 10:56.23 | mrverbose | i cannot dial-in to my own server |
| 10:56.32 | topaz | Anyone know how to write ( differently? |
| 10:56.36 | topaz | Same as how a space is %20 |
| 10:56.37 | mrverbose | i have a client and a server connected over telephony line |
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| 10:56.47 | topaz | I can't unpack this archive because of that ;x |
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| 10:56.53 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it's in use. otherwise the azureus graph would be at 0 |
| 10:56.59 | domdk | Zugschlus: okay.. I'm using debian from more than three years now.. however I never used the BTS before (the distro never gave me any problem..).. I hope I won't need to come here next time.. thanks |
| 10:57.03 | tarzeau | is there any ttf fonts in base? |
| 10:57.04 | goron | liable: what does that number mean anyway? |
| 10:57.10 | tarzeau | if not, which are the most popular ones? |
| 10:57.16 | goron | liable: "long listing format" is all the manpage says |
| 10:57.17 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: what do you mean by "the target is unavailable" |
| 10:57.25 | liable | goron: 000 or 777? |
| 10:57.30 | goron | liable: 26 |
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| 10:57.42 | _quik_ | hey folks |
| 10:57.55 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: your tunnel needs to lead to a specific port on a specific host |
| 10:57.57 | _quik_ | just wondering of anyones experiences with debian and ipods |
| 10:58.02 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and why would the ssh process quit with 'connection reset' |
| 10:58.08 | liable | goron: appears to be the owner.. chown it. (never seen it before) |
| 10:58.11 | _quik_ | is gtkpod any where near as nice as itunes? |
| 10:58.17 | jugglinx | Eulex, thanks :-) |
| 10:58.20 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: if that target port gets reset... |
| 10:58.22 | tarzeau | _quik_: i doubt |
| 10:58.23 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: right.. it's a remote forward to a local port that azureus us listening on |
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| 10:58.35 | liable | goron: oh, sec |
| 10:58.43 | agri6502 | hya all; i think i'm having a standard problem with kdevelop3/mingw32 with debian sarge, i get the message "configure error, cannot run C++ programs, if you mean to cross-compile use --host" |
| 10:58.45 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no, the *ssh* session is quitting with connection reset |
| 10:58.56 | Eulex | jugglinx, it's in the latin section in gucharmap :) |
| 10:59.08 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: which closes the tunnel and causes all the connections between azureus and the tunnel to close |
| 10:59.17 | Garda | you know you can pm, but you can't dcc chat with yourself |
| 10:59.40 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: azureus will constantly close connections, so the destination port will be reset |
| 11:00.05 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and what does that have to do with the ssh session? |
| 11:00.17 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: that its being reset when that target port closes |
| 11:00.41 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the ssh session is *not* running over a tunnel |
| 11:00.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the ssh session is the one providing the tunnel |
| 11:01.15 | goron | liable: as root: chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/wind/': Operation not permitted |
| 11:01.28 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and the ssh session is the one being reset |
| 11:01.30 | mathieu | there's a rescue bootable cd, but i forgot how it's called. it should be fairly known. anybody an idea? |
| 11:01.41 | goron | Prob. because it's mounted but still... |
| 11:01.45 | liable | goron: is it umounted? |
| 11:01.50 | valdyn | !debug sshd |
| 11:01.50 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 11:01.58 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ^^^ and see why exactly |
| 11:02.04 | bp7 | mathieu: is it called cd1 ? |
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| 11:02.30 | mathieu | bp7: it was a longer name :) |
| 11:02.41 | liable | wow, just looking at my win mount point and the date is drwxrwxrwx 8 root root 16384 1970-01-01 10:00 win.. bizzare.. |
| 11:02.45 | _quik_ | to run debian on a machine with windows as a backup.. are you better to partition the harddrive? |
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| 11:03.15 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: this still will be 2 seperate ssh 'links' anyway |
| 11:03.23 | tarzeau | someone wants to test a new debian game package? |
| 11:03.56 | goron | liable: now, the owner is changed, but still I can't write files. |
| 11:03.59 | agri6502 | quick: i'm running with debian only on my main hard disk, and XP only on the secondary hard disk; i can boot XP by selecting the boot device with the bios |
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| 11:04.30 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: and if that ssh session 'providing the tunnel' dies because you type nothing and your nat router resets that connection childs die |
| 11:04.31 | agri6502 | quick: seems to work fine, but i didn't use XP a lot after installing debian |
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| 11:04.55 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: of course, but why would the router reset it when data is being transferred |
| 11:04.55 | XTF | Hi. How do you get top to display the %CPU column with one decimal instead of zero? |
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| 11:05.01 | moret | hi people! |
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| 11:05.06 | _quik_ | agri6502: the only reason I want windows is for my iPod :) |
| 11:05.12 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: it isnt , this is 2 links , not one, i think |
| 11:05.17 | _quik_ | otherwise I'd prefer to have a nice debian machine to use |
| 11:05.20 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no |
| 11:05.23 | goron | Where can I find some decent documentation for ls? |
| 11:05.24 | moret | I need help, I want to create a playlist of all my music in order to can listen it from internet |
| 11:05.30 | _quik_ | providing I can get it to use my hardware correctly. |
| 11:05.33 | goron | I.e. more than the man page. |
| 11:05.33 | moret | I have an apache server running |
| 11:05.34 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: one tunneling link, one ssh session, no matter how you 'initiate' this |
| 11:05.40 | agri6502 | quick: indeed i sorta miss iTunes... |
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| 11:06.00 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no |
| 11:06.07 | Metrics | _quik_: Have you ever tried gtk-pod? |
| 11:06.21 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the session and any tunnels are connected over the same TCP connection |
| 11:06.22 | liable | goron: umount it, and mount it with mount, not fstab, mount /dev/hdb2 -t vfat -o umask=000,rw /mnt/wind |
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| 11:06.26 | agri6502 | quick: if your bios is recent enough it should support booting from a secondary IDE, with me that worked |
| 11:06.42 | agri6502 | quick: messing with boot managers is risky with XP because it thinks it's a virus |
| 11:06.45 | topaz | whats the command to create a file? |
| 11:06.49 | topaz | or a directoroy |
| 11:06.50 | goron | liable: I am doing umount -l /mnt/wind the whole time, does that matter? I thought it didn't. |
| 11:06.53 | topaz | directory** |
| 11:07.17 | moret | I need help, I want to create a playlist of all my music in order to can listen it from internet, I have an apache server running please! |
| 11:07.22 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i doubt that |
| 11:07.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: `netstat -tnp | grep ssh | grep -vF '127.0.0.1'` shows only two connections, because i have two ssh connections going (one for screen+irssi, one for tunnels) |
| 11:07.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: netstat doesn't lie |
| 11:08.02 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: if this is to a remote box it doesnt have to bind to localhost |
| 11:08.18 | goron | liable: Since the normal umount gives me device busy |
| 11:08.19 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the grep is only to remove the connections to the tunnel |
| 11:08.40 | liable | goron: gah, lsof /mnt/wind |
| 11:08.47 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: once the data enters the tunnel, it gets sent along the same TCP session as all other tunnels and the ssh session |
| 11:08.49 | liable | goron: kill whatver is accessing it |
| 11:08.57 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: can you give me the precise commands to do what you did, ill reproduce it.. |
| 11:09.27 | _quik_ | agri; I might try grub and install it on a free harddrive partition |
| 11:09.28 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ssh -CL 2001:127.0.0.1:25013 -R :52575:127.0.0.1:52575 my.ssh.server |
| 11:09.32 | goron | liable: now it works |
| 11:09.45 | goron | liable: Still no idea of why .., though |
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| 11:10.15 | liable | goron: cause it wasnt actually getting unmounted. (untill you close whatever was accessing it) |
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| 11:10.31 | ehaase | so with debian and ubuntu, packges are only moved from the different levels (stable, testing, unstable) when releases occur? |
| 11:10.39 | SerajewelKS | ehaase: incorrect |
| 11:10.50 | goron | liable: Oh, so then umount -l doesn't really unmount it? |
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| 11:11.04 | SerajewelKS | ehaase: stable is not touched until a release, but packages from unstable move into testing about every 10 days per-package |
| 11:11.04 | ehaase | SerajewelKS: how does it work then? |
| 11:11.06 | agri6502 | quick: i've read only a bit about this subject, but IIUC XP doesn't like a foreign boot manager, so you have to use XP for the boot menu, on the other side the /boot partition must be on the same hard disk as the boot manager |
| 11:11.06 | adii | is kde implemented in etch ? |
| 11:11.14 | SerajewelKS | adii: yes |
| 11:11.19 | goron | liable: user unfriendly, since a subsequent umount /mnt/wind says it's not mounted. |
| 11:11.33 | ehaase | SerajewelKS: how often do releases occur? |
| 11:11.39 | SerajewelKS | ehaase: it depends |
| 11:11.41 | adii | great :p |
| 11:11.43 | topaz | I'm having some trouble unpacking an archive because it has parentheses and spaces in it |
| 11:11.53 | SerajewelKS | topaz: quote it |
| 11:11.54 | liable | goron: man umount (it sort of does, but not really) if you did umount -l then closed the app accessing it, then it would be totally unmounted. |
| 11:11.56 | agri6502 | quick: in my case i already had a running XP system, and repartitioning the hard disk was a problem, that's why i tried to boot XP directly from the secondary ide indestead |
| 11:11.56 | topaz | Is there a fix for this? |
| 11:11.59 | topaz | quote it? |
| 11:12.06 | SerajewelKS | topaz: yes |
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| 11:12.22 | ehaase | SerajewelKS: on average, like once a year or many times a year? |
| 11:12.29 | goron | liable: oh, ok. It would be better if it did report that. Thanks |
| 11:12.30 | topaz | like.. unrar x "/home/topaz/blah.part01.rar"? |
| 11:12.33 | _quik_ | agri: I have two or three harddrives in this machine |
| 11:12.36 | _quik_ | it should be okay |
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| 11:12.56 | SerajewelKS | ehaase: on average i'm not sure. but it really is kind of random. |
| 11:13.09 | topaz | Sera? Read up |
| 11:13.30 | ehaase | SerajewelKS: has there been atleast one release per year in the past like 5 years? |
| 11:13.42 | topaz | Nvm it works! :D |
| 11:13.55 | topaz | i love you :) |
| 11:14.17 | topaz | SerajewelKS: How do I burn an iso to a cd? |
| 11:14.34 | agri6502 | quick: i didn't do anything actually; i installed first debian leaving the XP hd disconnected, then connected the XP hd as secondary and tried booting it and it worked. note that going tho bios is more annoying than a boot manager, but so far i didn't go back to XP frequently |
| 11:14.37 | topaz | SerajewelKS: I need it to be able to be booted from start |
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| 11:15.08 | SerajewelKS | topaz: man cdrecord |
| 11:15.08 | agri6502 | quick: i've the old XP hd mounted as a partition in debian and I even got a few programs i needed running fine under wine |
| 11:16.01 | agri6502 | quick: my only problem is now being able to compile win32 programs, VC++ doesn't work under wine (or at least i wasn't able to get it to work) |
| 11:16.26 | agri6502 | quick: Kdevelop seems interesting, but so far I'm not able to get even helloworld compiling for win32 |
| 11:17.20 | agri6502 | quick: I was able to use the free borland command line compiler under wine tho, and that worked |
| 11:17.26 | SerajewelKS | !release history |
| 11:17.26 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 11:17.35 | SerajewelKS | bah, he left |
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| 11:18.56 | topaz | serajewelKS: its way too long, do you know it off the top of your head? |
| 11:19.48 | SerajewelKS | topaz: it depends on your hardware |
| 11:20.12 | SerajewelKS | topaz: i usually use: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom driveropts=burnfree,forcespeed -speed 16 -dao image.iso |
| 11:20.19 | SerajewelKS | topaz: YMMV |
| 11:20.54 | liable | !tell agri6502 about away |
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| 11:22.43 | __rOOt__ | kann ich eigentlich von woody problemlos auf sarge umsteigen mit apt-get oder kann es da Probleme geben ? Beim umstieg von potato auf woody mußte ich wegen einer Library mein System einmal neu booten ... |
| 11:23.14 | topaz | Sera: It's telling me that the selected location doesn't have enough space to burn |
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| 11:23.27 | liable | !de |
| 11:23.27 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 11:23.33 | topaz | These cd's I've used on WinXP, and there should be no problem |
| 11:23.48 | mortal | __rOOt__: vielleicht |
| 11:24.07 | liable | !nickometer __rOOt__ |
| 11:24.09 | dpkg | '__rOOt__' is 90.330% lame, liable |
| 11:24.15 | domdk | ihihi |
| 11:24.15 | SerajewelKS | topaz: is /dev/cdrom your burner? does the kernel detect it as a burner? |
| 11:24.21 | domdk | !nickometer domdk |
| 11:24.22 | dpkg | 'domdk' is 0.000% lame, domdk |
| 11:24.35 | topaz | Sera: How do I find out if its detected as a burner? |
| 11:24.44 | topaz | Sera: yes, /dev/cdrom is my burner |
| 11:24.48 | threat | [playing] Strapping Young Lad - Underneath The Waves [= ]14%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 4539/6287 [Stereo] |
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| 11:24.54 | topaz | !away |
| 11:24.55 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 11:24.58 | SerajewelKS | topaz: not sure exactly, is there a blank CD in? (try mounting it) |
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| 11:25.07 | topaz | Sera: i tried mounting it already |
| 11:25.08 | liable | topaz: turn that off |
| 11:25.12 | topaz | Sera: yes, i already inserted it |
| 11:25.17 | topaz | liable: turn what off? |
| 11:25.20 | liable | topaz: sorry |
| 11:25.26 | liable | threat: turn that off |
| 11:25.29 | TBBle | LOL! |
| 11:25.30 | TBBle | Ooops |
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| 11:25.38 | liable | damn nicktab. |
| 11:25.41 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer TBBle |
| 11:25.43 | dpkg | 'TBBle' is 27.000% lame, serajewelks |
| 11:25.54 | threat | liable, tired of waiting, tired of fighting, tired of waiting for fucking nothign!!! |
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| 11:25.59 | topaz | !nickometer topaz |
| 11:26.00 | dpkg | 'topaz' is 0.000% lame, topaz |
| 11:26.04 | topaz | =] |
| 11:26.21 | SerajewelKS | threat: that's no reason to spam with your playlist |
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| 11:26.32 | liable | threat: we dont want to fucking know what you are listening to. |
| 11:26.46 | threat | liable, yes you do, |
| 11:26.50 | TBBle | Only 27%? I'm not laming it up enough. I need more lamemeter, kthx! |
| 11:26.50 | basix | !nickometer basix |
| 11:26.52 | dpkg | 'basix' is 0.000% lame, basix |
| 11:26.54 | basix | :D |
| 11:27.07 | domdk | cya guys |
| 11:27.08 | SerajewelKS | topaz: not sure then... all i can guess that it's not detecting it as a burner |
| 11:27.18 | Gathond | TBBle: add a special char and some numbers then |
| 11:27.23 | topaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.30 | topaz | It's an unknown type apparently |
| 11:27.41 | SerajewelKS | topaz: that's not your cdrom drive, that's /dev |
| 11:27.43 | liable | !seen caphuso |
| 11:27.44 | dpkg | caphuso <n=caphuso@p54819620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 23h 15m 50s ago, saying: 'nerdy2: (ok, we do use sftp, but not in the ftp-over-ssl sense)'. |
| 11:27.47 | topaz | oh ;\ |
| 11:28.21 | topaz | its not seeing it at all then! |
| 11:28.33 | basix | topaz, are you running cdrecord as root? |
| 11:28.45 | topaz | It opened my cd/dvd creator prog tho |
| 11:28.45 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i just realized why it may have been reset... our university router reboots every five days |
| 11:28.47 | topaz | basix: yeah |
| 11:28.52 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i think so anyway |
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| 11:29.11 | basix | topaz, did u check the dmesg o/p? |
| 11:29.12 | SerajewelKS | topaz: no, it's seeing. it doesn't have to be mounted to see it. |
| 11:29.41 | topaz | In my Places, it says Blank CD-R Disc |
| 11:29.47 | topaz | Does that mean anything in particular? |
| 11:29.59 | liable | wtf is my places? |
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| 11:30.09 | topaz | I'm using ubuntu, bear with me here |
| 11:30.14 | SerajewelKS | !ubuntu |
| 11:30.14 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
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| 11:30.18 | topaz | I got banned from #ubuntu ;x |
| 11:30.22 | topaz | Sera: i know that |
| 11:30.25 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 11:30.25 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:30.33 | liable | hah, your fucked then. |
| 11:30.45 | liable | topaz: install debian and come back. |
| 11:30.49 | topaz | SIGH |
| 11:30.56 | topaz | I'm trying to burn the iso of debian |
| 11:31.05 | topaz | guess i've been stonewalled |
| 11:31.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the connection my.ssh.server:52575 -> 127.0.0.1:52575 is _not_ via ssh, and it does not exactly make sense probably ( im not sure if that wouldnt target 'my.ssh.server', the ssh server, and that is what you mean |
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| 11:31.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i really don't think you know ssh tunnels work |
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| 11:32.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: know how* |
| 11:32.14 | TBBle | topaz: There's still Ubuntu's other resources. They have a wiki, and mailing lists, and forums, and possibly even another channel you could ask on. What'd you do to get banned from #ubuntu anyway? |
| 11:32.25 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: not in all details, but what i just said is correct. |
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| 11:32.29 | liable | topaz: cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus |
| 11:32.46 | topaz | TBBle: One of them got pissed when I told him off, and got an op to ban me |
| 11:32.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the data is tunneled through the same connection as the ssh session |
| 11:32.53 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: that's the *point* of a tunnel |
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| 11:33.08 | liable | topaz: http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/vivek/blogger/2005/09/how-do-i-write-cd-at-debain-linux.html |
| 11:33.17 | TBBle | topaz: Well, I hope you learned an important lesson about IRC there: Only tell people off when the ops agree with you. |
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| 11:33.26 | liable | heh |
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| 11:33.32 | topaz | TBBle: Hah |
| 11:33.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the debug report says: debug1: getpeername failed: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 11:33.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: thats not the entire thing, an ssh tunnel is a redirector too |
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| 11:33.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so something between sshd and ssh is losing state |
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| 11:34.23 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: let me draw out how i see ssh tunneling |
| 11:34.32 | Neverth | topaz, im on ubuntu channel, they have way worse support than here, i use sid as main comp for work/everything and ubuntu at the other comp for gaming and random stuff |
| 11:34.59 | topaz | i see nothing |
| 11:35.16 | topaz | something about device being busy and retrying |
| 11:35.31 | topaz | Neverth: i solved like 15 issues in there, but usually during the daytime |
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| 11:35.42 | topaz | Neverth: it's like three on west coast, its 6 on east |
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| 11:35.46 | topaz | Neverth: to be expected |
| 11:36.44 | jamie2 | help |
| 11:36.49 | topaz | me |
| 11:36.53 | Neverth | topaz, hehe, im from europe |
| 11:37.04 | topaz | its like 10 now right? |
| 11:37.29 | Neverth | 13,37 here |
| 11:37.44 | topaz | mm hmm |
| 11:38.10 | jamie2 | help |
| 11:38.23 | Neverth | anyway, i like sid more than ubuntu, more freedom and less annoying things |
| 11:38.28 | Neverth | jamie2, what? |
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| 11:39.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: insert the lan ip or internet ip instead of the second 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:39.07 | EdLin | !tell jamie2 about ask |
| 11:39.11 | liable | jamie2: how the fuck can we help you? give us an error or something, ffs, do you think we are mind readers? |
| 11:39.37 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: if the 127.0.0.1 is 'interpreted' remotely, it will just forward one port to itself on the same host |
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| 11:41.04 | topaz | hm, why would it say that the device is busy? |
| 11:41.11 | topaz | i insert it and bang! there it is |
| 11:42.11 | EdLin | topaz: automounting sucks |
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| 11:43.36 | topaz | edlin: how do i unmount her? |
| 11:43.38 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4937/ssh0mo.png |
| 11:43.54 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: try what i said though, ill read the pnp |
| 11:43.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: excluding some details, that's how it works |
| 11:43.58 | valdyn | png even |
| 11:43.59 | EdLin | topaz: umount |
| 11:44.04 | topaz | umount which one? |
| 11:44.21 | topaz | its all abbreviated to first letters, i can't tell which one o_ |
| 11:44.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm not sure what you said.. i can't make heads or tails of it |
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| 11:44.43 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: grr, i made a mistake |
| 11:44.53 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: one sec |
| 11:45.07 | topaz | so its like, umount -v dev/cdrom? |
| 11:45.26 | topaz | it says it isn't mounted |
| 11:45.26 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the second 127.0.0.1 will redirect traffic to my.ssh.server, as that is what is localhost to it |
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| 11:46.03 | EdLin | topaz: you forgot the first / |
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| 11:46.29 | topaz | still says it isn't mounted |
| 11:46.47 | Neverth | topaz, umount /dev/hdc for secondary master, /dev/hdd for secondary slave /usually cd/dvd drives are on secondary ide) |
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| 11:46.58 | Neverth | (usually* |
| 11:47.20 | EdLin | topaz: a lot of this is Ubuntu-specific problems, you can't expect to get much relevant help here. |
| 11:47.30 | topaz | both aren't mounted |
| 11:47.31 | topaz | Fuck :( |
| 11:47.53 | potato_pig | Hi, what might cause lilo to fail at 'LI'? I understand it means that the second stage boot loader loaded but failed to run, but how might it have been caused? I haven't made any changes to the system. |
| 11:47.58 | azeem | !LI |
| 11:47.59 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 11:47.59 | Neverth | topaz, how many hard drives you have? |
| 11:48.01 | Neverth | ide drives |
| 11:48.03 | jamie2 | sorry, i was trying to /msg dpkg, not the channel |
| 11:48.04 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6469/ssh4mt.png |
| 11:48.11 | EdLin | topaz: type "mount" with no arguments, and find out what is mounted |
| 11:48.12 | topaz | Neverth: two cd burners |
| 11:48.20 | topaz | edlin: i know, its not mounted |
| 11:48.28 | topaz | Neverth: one of them is blank, so nothing should show up |
| 11:48.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: this is in the case of, ssh -L 2001:127.0.0.1:1080 server |
| 11:48.35 | rutski89 | How do i tell a program taht i have .so files in a custom dir such as ~/libs ? |
| 11:48.38 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: where the server is running dante (SOCKS server) on port 1080 |
| 11:48.57 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the three connections, and the ssh session are all flowing over the same connection to sshd |
| 11:49.29 | potato_pig | Thank you. Odd though, it was working before and its working again now (after running LILO under CHROOT). |
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| 11:49.49 | rutski89 | I have runtimes libs in ~/lib, but programs i run complain that those libs are missing |
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| 11:51.11 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the connection between ssh and sshd is being reset |
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| 11:51.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i see: -R :52575:127.0.0.1:52575 my.ssh.server <- that creates a tunnel on my.ssh.server to my.ssh.server. 52575 to 52575 |
| 11:51.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: this, of course, causes the tunneled connections to abort |
| 11:51.27 | topaz | now it works, but it says 'preparing to write cd' indefinitely |
| 11:51.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: right, this is for example |
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| 11:51.44 | topaz | it initiates for a sec or two, then goes back to idle |
| 11:51.47 | topaz | wtf? :( |
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| 11:51.52 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i see, bad example |
| 11:52.00 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: seems your tunnel is ok i guess then |
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| 11:52.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so i need to figure out why the sshd connection is being reset |
| 11:52.42 | MrNaz | im putting debian on a tyan dual opteron server, and during installation it takes about 20 minutes on "Loading module: 'ide-disk' for 'Linux ATA DISK' " and a further half hour on "Loading partitioner" anyone got any idea why that would be? |
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| 11:54.25 | liable | MrNaz: what are your disks? try expert install and dont load the ide module. |
| 11:54.33 | topaz | YES! |
| 11:54.40 | topaz | it works, and now i hate ubuntu forever |
| 11:55.13 | liable | heh, just hope it boots.. :P |
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| 11:55.17 | Znh | Hello |
| 11:55.27 | topaz | oh... |
| 11:55.30 | topaz | fuck ;[ |
| 11:55.32 | MrNaz | liable they are 4x wd raptor 74gb |
| 11:55.32 | Znh | I'd like to install the RT2500 drivers for my WLAN, do I need to download the kernel source to compile the driver for it? |
| 11:55.41 | liable | MrNaz: sata? |
| 11:55.43 | Znh | and would I need to recompile the whole kernel? |
| 11:55.46 | MrNaz | liable yes |
| 11:55.50 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so you really hava a real IP there instead of localhost? |
| 11:56.16 | MrNaz | liable i am a bit of a newbie hey... i've only ever installed fedora before |
| 11:56.16 | liable | MrNaz: try what i suggested. |
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| 11:56.37 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: well, "localhost" is refering to the client computer, not so much the IP |
| 11:56.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: all the azureus <-> ssh stuff is happening over 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:56.56 | liable | MrNaz: you might want to see if your controller is supported in 2.6.8, are you booting with the 2.6 option? |
| 11:57.02 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ssh <-> sshd happens over my LAN ip <-> server ip |
| 11:57.05 | harleyg | with ssh x forwarding, is it possible to display all forwarded x apps on eg tty8? |
| 11:57.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: sshd <-> dante happens over the server's 127.0.0.1, dante <-> various computers happens over the internet |
| 11:57.33 | MrNaz | liable i have the cd in there and i havent entered ANY options in... just pressed enter |
| 11:57.34 | agri6502 | hello, is there a faq about cross-compiling for win32 using kdevelop on debian/sarge ? |
| 11:57.49 | liable | MrNaz: try linux26 at boot prompt |
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| 11:58.12 | liable | MrNaz: this is the sarge installer? |
| 11:58.29 | MrNaz | yea its just the 3.1r1 iso i downloaded |
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| 11:58.34 | liable | cool |
| 11:58.47 | MrNaz | is 2.6 safe for server use? this is going to be a production box |
| 11:58.52 | liable | yes |
| 11:59.04 | topaz | i love you |
| 11:59.06 | liable | it wouldnt be in sarge otherwise.. |
| 11:59.07 | MrNaz | up until now the production boxes were run on fedora... because we'd tested it over and over and it worked |
| 11:59.08 | topaz | Afk |
| 11:59.20 | liable | ?? |
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| 11:59.47 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the second 'localhost' isnt referring to your 'client computer' its referring to the my.ssh.server |
| 12:00.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: what "second localhost" |
| 12:00.15 | MrNaz | liable i'm seeing more things under "detecting hardware" than i saw before... looks like more drivers are in the 2.6 kernel for my hardware |
| 12:00.28 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: you mean '-L 2001:127.0.0.1:1080' ? |
| 12:00.32 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: -R port:127.0.0.1:port |
| 12:00.39 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no |
| 12:00.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: -R sets up a remote tunnel, so 127.0.0.1 refers to the client |
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| 12:01.00 | liable | MrNaz: good. |
| 12:01.02 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: in -L, 127.0.0.1 refers to the server |
| 12:01.04 | doub | hi there |
| 12:01.35 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: yea, right |
| 12:01.38 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 12:01.41 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: '-R n:127.0.0.1:m' means that the server will listen on port n and tunnel them through the ssh connection to the client's 127.0.0.1 port m |
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| 12:02.14 | MrNaz | liable thanks :) |
| 12:02.27 | liable | yw |
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| 12:02.52 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no it wont, |
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| 12:03.15 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yes it will |
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| 12:03.55 | guitoune | hello, and see you soon. |
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| 12:04.22 | liable | ok.. |
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| 12:05.57 | hugo_ | olá bom dia, tô com um problema ao utilizar o xchm, eu tenho alguns arquivos no formato .chm e qdo eu os executo no xchm aparece em formato de código html como eu faço para conseguir ler esses arquivos retirando o código? |
| 12:06.07 | liable | !br |
| 12:06.07 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:06.08 | rutski89 | I can't get Xorg to run as a non-root user becuase it complains of not being able to open a log in /var/log |
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| 12:06.31 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: are you using -config? |
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| 12:07.06 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: err, how are you running it? |
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| 12:08.55 | kaviros | i dont know how to install my pci modem |
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| 12:09.05 | kaviros | may i have some help? |
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| 12:09.39 | liable | kaviros: if it is a winmodem, you need to find drivers for it first |
| 12:09.50 | agri6502 | i didn't know winmodems were supported |
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| 12:10.04 | SerajewelKS | kaviros: power down, open case, insert modem, close case, power up |
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| 12:10.47 | kaviros | what do u mean insert modem? |
| 12:10.50 | MrNaz | liable i have another thing... its using the nvidia chipset raid to make a raid 0+1 array of the 4 drives, i've defined the array using the nvidia tool in the bios, but debian install still sees 4 drives... do i need to install a 3rd party driver? |
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| 12:10.59 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:10.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:11.07 | kaviros | is already installed in win |
| 12:11.13 | SerajewelKS | kaviros: you asked for help installing it. that's how you install it. |
| 12:11.31 | liable | MrNaz: during install, just set the disks as raid partitions and make a software raid. |
| 12:11.33 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, -config? |
| 12:11.47 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: just post the command-line you're using |
| 12:11.54 | kaviros | i dont understand |
| 12:12.03 | rutski89 | Saihtam, "startx" |
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| 12:12.06 | kaviros | do i need drivers? |
| 12:12.18 | SerajewelKS | kaviros: making it work with linux is not installing it, that's getting linux to use it |
| 12:12.22 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, but all of xorg is installed in ~/apps/xorg |
| 12:12.32 | SerajewelKS | kaviros: installing a PCI modem is the act of physically connecting it |
| 12:12.44 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, "startx" crashes saying "Fatal Server Error: Could not open log file in /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 12:12.48 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 12:13.11 | cyzie | noflex, dan dan boy! |
| 12:13.40 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: well, you're not root |
| 12:13.58 | Gnea | kaviros: you need some sort of kernel driver to say "look ma! i got a modem after all!" then you need some software to interface with it |
| 12:13.58 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: and if Xorg is installed in $HOME then it's not going to be set up for non-root usage |
| 12:14.05 | MrNaz` | liable : i keep getting d/c at the moment... did you answer my question? |
| 12:14.17 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, why wouldn't it be set up for non-root usage? |
| 12:14.22 | loxley_ | MrNaz`: fdisk the drives as 'fd' , make software raid, then format as apropriate |
| 12:14.33 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: were you root when you did 'make install'? |
| 12:14.34 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: did you second monitor blow out? |
| 12:14.41 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: what? |
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| 12:14.45 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:14.47 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, no |
| 12:14.50 | liable | MrNaz`: yes. basically, you need to make a software raid. |
| 12:14.56 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, i was rutski89 |
| 12:15.01 | kaviros | where can i find these drivers and software |
| 12:15.01 | liable | MrNaz`: you can do this during install |
| 12:15.02 | kaviros | ? |
| 12:15.03 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it's called a sanity check. |
| 12:15.23 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: so you're asking why a program, when installed as non-root and run as non-root, can't access a rwxr-xr-x root:root directory? |
| 12:15.28 | MrNaz` | so there's no way to use hardware raid? |
| 12:15.34 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: it should be obvious |
| 12:15.41 | liable | MrNaz`: it isnt hardware raid. |
| 12:15.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: ... what? |
| 12:15.54 | liable | MrNaz`: its fakeraid |
| 12:15.57 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, well i know that... what i'm trying to figure out is how get it to not even try |
| 12:16.10 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: Gnea rarely makes any sense |
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| 12:16.19 | Garp | Hi. |
| 12:16.19 | MrNaz` | liable oh... i thought the nforce professional chipset was true hardware raid |
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| 12:16.23 | liable | MrNaz`: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 12:16.26 | SerajewelKS | !confuse Gnea |
| 12:16.26 | dpkg | Yes, those was their badger today, Gnea? shirts of the democracy of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 12:16.43 | loxley_ | MrNaz`: turn of it in bios also |
| 12:16.43 | MrNaz` | liable: ta reading... |
| 12:16.50 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: probably some config directive |
| 12:16.50 | loxley_ | s/of/off |
| 12:17.07 | SerajewelKS | rutski89: google is your friend |
| 12:17.09 | MrNaz` | loxley_ turn it OFF in the bios? will i still have hot swap capability? |
| 12:17.25 | Guerin | MrNaz`: /msg dpkg onboard |
| 12:17.25 | Gnea | rutski89: why did you compile xorg? |
| 12:17.36 | Garp | Question: k3b no more in testing. Tried to recompile it through 'apt-build' failed. IS there a simple way to do it? Suprisingly, dowloading the k3b sources and ./configure / make seems fine. Why apt-build wont do it? Thanks. |
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| 12:17.38 | rutski89 | SerajewelKS, i've chekced, only root can use the -logfile directive :-p |
| 12:17.41 | loxley_ | MrNaz`: the raid i mean, not the disks themselves |
| 12:17.41 | rutski89 | Gnea, for fun |
| 12:17.48 | kaviros | Gnea:where i can find drivers and software? |
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| 12:17.56 | Gnea | kaviros: what modem is it? |
| 12:17.58 | Gnea | rutski89: cool |
| 12:18.05 | Guerin | Garp: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:18.06 | rutski89 | Gnea, I might want to build a package managment system; so i'm exploring :-) |
| 12:18.12 | Andrew9823 | hello all |
| 12:18.15 | MrNaz` | Guerin yes i agree with that... but its a bit hard when you have 1ru to work with |
| 12:18.20 | Gnea | rutski89: no need, there's dpkg :) |
| 12:18.28 | Guerin | hah |
| 12:18.29 | Garp | Guerin: thanks :-) I have a look. |
| 12:18.35 | SerajewelKS | why is /dev/nvidia0 owned by root:root, while /dev/nvidia[123] are owned by root:video? |
| 12:18.37 | kaviros | Gnea:diamond supra 56k |
| 12:18.48 | SerajewelKS | how did nvidia0 get to be owned by group root, and rw-rw-rw-? |
| 12:18.49 | Gnea | kaviros: is it a winmodem? |
| 12:19.08 | rutski89 | Gnea, lol |
| 12:19.19 | kaviros | Gnea:how i know if is it winmodem? |
| 12:19.22 | Garp | # apt-get build-dep k3b |
| 12:19.22 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ask #nvidia |
| 12:19.29 | MrNaz` | loxley_ yes if i turn off the raid in the bios, wont that disallow me from using hot swap? |
| 12:19.29 | Garp | E: Build-Depends dependency for k3b cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libhal-dev can sa |
| 12:19.30 | Guerin | Garp: if you paste, I kill. |
| 12:19.34 | Guerin | !kill Garp |
| 12:19.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: *cough* uhm, yeah |
| 12:19.49 | Garp | Guerin: 2 lines |
| 12:19.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it's packaged by debian... the package makes the /dev nodes |
| 12:19.55 | Guerin | Garp: this is the problem with KDE and such |
| 12:20.02 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: therefore it's a debian-related issue |
| 12:20.20 | Garp | Guerin: its the problem with every pkg depending on other ones. |
| 12:20.29 | SerajewelKS | for fun: i took this snapshot of some Alias episode: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9268/GIMPattheCIA2.jpg |
| 12:20.37 | kaviros | Gnea:how i know if is it winmodem? |
| 12:20.43 | Garp | Guerin: I can manually rebuild k3b without HAL support (I can loive without it) |
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| 12:20.47 | Guerin | Garp: it's the problem with the One Subsystem To Rule Them All mindset of HAL |
| 12:21.04 | Garp | Guerin: Can I have apt-build undestand that? |
| 12:21.05 | Guerin | Garp: edit debian/rules in the source tree |
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| 12:21.34 | Guerin | Garp: also install the build-deps manually - they're all listed in there |
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| 12:22.25 | Garp | Guerin: looks a bit too hardcore to me right now :-( But thanks for your help |
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| 12:22.31 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: because life's a bitch. no, because /dev/nvidiactl requires a dialog to the kernel and /dev/nvidia0 is direct ram access |
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| 12:22.45 | Guerin | Garp: try something else itmt |
| 12:22.52 | Guerin | Garp: i recall cdw being decent |
| 12:23.00 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: but why is /dev/nvidia0 not rw-rw---- root:video, like 1-3 are? |
| 12:23.33 | Garp | Guerin: Well, I want to encode dvd image files to .avi with subtitle and the language of my choice... |
| 12:23.44 | Gnea | kaviros: lspci <-- what does that say about it? |
| 12:23.48 | SerajewelKS | Garp: dvdrip |
| 12:23.49 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: lsof | grep nvidia |
| 12:23.49 | liable | mencoder? |
| 12:23.52 | Garp | Guerin: I tried a few stuff, but none seemed to be very wise |
| 12:23.59 | MrNaz` | Guerin itmt ? |
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| 12:24.07 | Garp | SerajewelKS: I'll give it a try. Thnaks. |
| 12:24.09 | Guerin | Garp: k3b is the wrong tool for that job. |
| 12:24.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: yes? and? |
| 12:24.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: lsof | grep nvidia |
| 12:24.17 | Andrew9823 | Does anyone here use eircom's broadband with the netopia router and does it work with debian?I'm going to install debian and i was wondering if the driver is availible.I'm using Damn Small Linux,which is based on Knoppix which is debian based. |
| 12:24.25 | EdLin | !nickometer __rOOt__ |
| 12:24.26 | dpkg | '__rOOt__' is 90.330% lame, edlin |
| 12:24.27 | Guerin | Garp: k3b is a cd burning app - all the other functionality it has is optional extras. |
| 12:24.29 | Garp | Guerin: I read there was something for dvd too in it |
| 12:24.36 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i don't want any user using /dev/nvidia0, only root or people in the video group |
| 12:24.37 | Garp | Guerin: OK, thanks. |
| 12:24.38 | Guerin | Garp: a dvd is a cd. |
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| 12:24.50 | moret | hi all |
| 12:24.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: which is how 1-3 are set up.. just wondering why 0 is world-writable by default |
| 12:24.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: cat: /dev/nvidia0: Invalid argument |
| 12:25.02 | Garp | Guerin: I dont have DMA on my DEVD player, meaning I have to copy them on disk to play them. |
| 12:25.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: probably because Xorg has it open |
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| 12:25.17 | Gnea | echo yada > /dev/nvidia0 |
| 12:25.18 | Gnea | -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument |
| 12:25.18 | Garp | (otherwise, playing is not fluid) |
| 12:25.19 | moret | how can I set the default programs to use in firefox? For example, pdf with kpdf? |
| 12:25.37 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: oh, and HRM, it doesn't even exist if it's not in /etc/modules |
| 12:25.52 | Gnea | which is why hotplug and udev are GOOD |
| 12:25.52 | Garp | Garp: but dvd images are huge, and I would like to reduce some in size... |
| 12:26.04 | Garp | I'll try dvdrip |
| 12:26.08 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: it exists here, because i don't have udev |
| 12:26.17 | Garp | thanks. I have to go |
| 12:26.34 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: well there ya go |
| 12:26.37 | EdLin | moret: when you first download a non text or html file, it asks what to open with it, pick xpdf and check the box asking if you want to use this as the default. |
| 12:26.38 | Andrew9823 | anyone? |
| 12:26.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: anyway just saying i think the default permissions on it are too relaxed |
| 12:26.46 | Garp | see ya everybody and thankd for your very usefull help almost eveytime I have to come here :-) |
| 12:26.48 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: afaict they should be the same that are on 1-3 |
| 12:26.51 | Garp | bebye |
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| 12:26.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but can anyone else actually do anything with it? |
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| 12:27.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: if X were not running, theoretically yes |
| 12:27.29 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i mean, as the regular user who's actually logged in i get those errors |
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| 12:27.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but if X is not running then why should the nvidia.ko be loaded? |
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| 12:28.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: maybe if i stop X? |
| 12:29.00 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: i'm not saying it's a big issue, just seems a little odd |
| 12:29.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: if nvidia.ko isn't loaded, what use would /dev/nvidia* become? |
| 12:29.44 | Andrew9823 | anyone? |
| 12:29.50 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 12:29.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:30.14 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: nvidia.ko != X |
| 12:30.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: nvidia.ko can be loaded if X is not running |
| 12:30.28 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but why? |
| 12:30.50 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: because it's in /etc/modules. again, i'm not saying it's a problem, just saying it's odd that it's world-writable. |
| 12:31.07 | Andrew9823 | TY |
| 12:31.22 | agri6502 | solved, thanks everyone |
| 12:31.54 | Yvette | i got a problem with configuring vsftpd. it says 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket. |
| 12:32.03 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: again, why is it in /etc/modules? |
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| 12:32.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: because i pass it special parameters regarding AGP |
| 12:32.37 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: hotplug would load it anyway |
| 12:33.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it's possible to pass them at auto-load. |
| 12:33.05 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 12:33.41 | liable | why are you arguing about this? |
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| 12:34.31 | Gnea | arguing? i was trying to figure out what the problem is |
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| 12:35.07 | Gnea | what's obvious to one person is concealed to another - c'mon, you outta know that :) |
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| 12:36.30 | Znh | lo |
| 12:36.35 | Znh | what package contains stuff like make and gcc |
| 12:36.37 | liable | i was missing the point i guess. (of the last bit) |
| 12:36.45 | liable | !b-e Znh |
| 12:36.45 | dpkg | Znh: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 12:36.50 | Gnea | Znh: make and gcc-<version> |
| 12:36.55 | Znh | ok thanks :) |
| 12:37.17 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: *sigh* like i said, i'm just pointing out what i consider an oddity in permissions. we're not talking about what's in /etc/modules. |
| 12:37.48 | fatal___ | My X keyboard settings is set to Swedish. I'd also like to use dvorak - but when I try to activate dvorak in GNOME I get this error: http://fjortis.info/tmp/kbd.png .... the same error is shown when I login. And when I move dvorak up or down in the keyboard config program... can anyone give me some hints on whene to start troubleshooting this? |
| 12:39.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: sure we are, the permissions don't mean a thing, they're a mask - the way the program uses them has always had the possibility of surpassing userland requirements - but in Linux and other open source software, it's typically a bad thing to do that |
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| 12:39.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: it's bad to restrict permissions? |
| 12:40.13 | etsme | !seen amphi |
| 12:40.13 | dpkg | amphi <n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 42m 46s ago, saying: 'Dena|S: you don't have the headers (-dev package) ?'. |
| 12:40.23 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it's bad when programs can't talk to each other, but it's good too |
| 12:40.37 | etsme | thanks |
| 12:41.06 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it depends on the program and how it's working with the system |
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| 12:41.39 | TBBle | The reasons /dev/nvidia is writable by anyone, I presume, is that the nVidia-provided libGL that uses it uses it directly, and is linked into by general system programs, not just the Xserver (ala DRI), so without those permissions, you couldn't run GL apps even though you are in X. |
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| 12:43.00 | Gnea | TBBle: that still doesn't explain why GLX won't load |
| 12:43.07 | TBBle | Gnea: Try, and since I only started following this conversation at the stage of permissions, I had no idea that was even the questino. |
| 12:43.23 | TBBle | Uh, s/Try/True/ |
| 12:43.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: GLX doesn't load? |
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| 12:44.03 | Gnea | TBBle: SerajewelKS was wondering why /dev/nvidiactl and /dev/nvidia0 are owned by root and root and are world read/writeable |
| 12:44.27 | TBBle | Gnea: And that's why. So that nVidia's libGL can access them directly. |
| 12:44.32 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: nope, it always craps out |
| 12:44.35 | TBBle | Gnea: I'm speculating. |
| 12:44.46 | SerajewelKS | TBBle: why are /dev/nvidia[1-3] rw-rw---- root:video then? |
| 12:45.00 | TBBle | SerajewelKS: The XServer's not loaded and changed the permissions on them yet. |
| 12:45.01 | Gnea | TBBle: yeah, then then notion that another user could access that address space was raised |
| 12:45.10 | SerajewelKS | TBBle: ah |
| 12:45.13 | zinx | SerajewelKS: why do you have them? |
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| 12:45.24 | SerajewelKS | zinx: have what? |
| 12:45.35 | zinx | there's one /dev/nvidia# per card afaik |
| 12:45.51 | kristalino | i find that installing nvidia on debian is really a _pain in the ass_ |
| 12:45.52 | SerajewelKS | zinx: don't you have /dev/hdh? |
| 12:45.56 | SerajewelKS | zinx: even though there's not one there? |
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| 12:46.01 | TBBle | Gnea: That is indeed a brightly shining issue that comes to mind. I guess if you've got a nVidia card in a multiuser machine, you have to add X users to group 'video' and change the permissions on the nVidia devices.... Then only people in group video can dump GL crap onto your screen. |
| 12:46.02 | zinx | SerajewelKS: sure don't :D |
| 12:46.04 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: then you don't use module-assistant |
| 12:46.05 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:46.05 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 12:46.08 | zinx | SerajewelKS: udev pwns me |
| 12:46.08 | SerajewelKS | zinx: using udev? |
| 12:46.11 | kristalino | a package should exists for that installation |
| 12:46.16 | SerajewelKS | zinx: there you go. i don't have udev. |
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| 12:46.21 | kristalino | SerajewelKS, i did, but it's a pain in the ass _too_ |
| 12:46.30 | Gnea | kristalino: there are the instructions, go nuts |
| 12:46.32 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: what a coincidence, a package does exist |
| 12:46.34 | TBBle | Yeah, and the nVidia makescript script creates 0-3, by default. |
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| 12:47.02 | Gnea | TBBle: okay, now lsof | grep nvidia |
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| 12:47.19 | JeanJean | I always got this msg when i install, remove something with apt-get |
| 12:47.21 | JeanJean | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 12:47.28 | JeanJean | anyone know solution |
| 12:47.28 | kristalino | SerajewelKS, yes but it doesn't match a kernel version, hehehe |
| 12:47.45 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: hence module-assistant |
| 12:47.46 | Gnea | JeanJean: lsof | grep /var/cache/debconf/config.dat <-- does that return anything? |
| 12:47.52 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: m-a a-i nvidia #and you're done |
| 12:47.52 | TBBle | See, what _should_ happen I guess is the XServer (the nVidia driver, really) should chown the dev to the X user rather than root:root 666 |
| 12:47.54 | kristalino | debian way makes it hard to install nvidia driver |
| 12:47.59 | Gnea | JeanJean: or lsof | grep config.dat |
| 12:48.09 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: no it doesn't, you just don't know how to do it |
| 12:48.17 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: it takes 30 seconds |
| 12:48.22 | kristalino | mmmm |
| 12:48.33 | TBBle | Gnea: With no 3D apps running, only Xorg touchs /dev/nvidia0. With glxgears running, glxgears gets three references, Xorg still has one. Whichi is what I'm saying. |
| 12:48.36 | Gnea | TBBle: but it's not a matter of userland permissions, since all of the work is going on "behind the scenes" |
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| 12:48.52 | TBBle | Gnea: No it's not going on behind the scenes. Nvidia's libGL.so directly open /dev/nvidia0 |
| 12:49.05 | JeanJean | Gnea, it returns something |
| 12:49.09 | Gnea | TBBle: you have an nvidia gpu? |
| 12:49.11 | kristalino | i remember looking for the good kernel module, then looking for the good kernel-module-header stuff... wow. |
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| 12:49.15 | TBBle | Gnea: Yeah. Shall I demonstrate in #paste? |
| 12:49.18 | Gnea | JeanJean: just one thing? |
| 12:49.20 | JeanJean | frontend 1147 root 4rW REG 3,1 50577 863280 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 12:49.21 | kristalino | then running m-a, then errors blabla |
| 12:49.32 | Gnea | JeanJean: ok, frontend is using it |
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| 12:49.43 | JeanJean | how can i kill it |
| 12:49.57 | JeanJean | now i cant install anything |
| 12:50.00 | SerajewelKS | kristalino: well, m-a will give errors if you don't have everything installed that you need to build |
| 12:50.05 | Gnea | TBBle: the permissions are set like that so yeah, the library can talk to it - that's all good and fine on the userland side |
| 12:50.09 | omry_ | hi. only root sees my digital camera (2.6.15, camera is connected via usb). how can I fix it? |
| 12:50.18 | kristalino | SerajewelKS, exactly. that might be that :) |
| 12:50.23 | kristalino | i gave up |
| 12:50.27 | JonJ | Hey, I have a friend of mine running a debian-machine without X installed, and he wants to disable eth0 from appearing during boot. Which script to edit and what to take out? |
| 12:50.30 | kristalino | running nv driver now |
| 12:50.44 | SerajewelKS | JonJ: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:50.50 | Gnea | TBBle: what SerajewelKS was saying was that if a user that's not running X were to somehow gain access to control that address space, wtf? |
| 12:50.54 | SerajewelKS | JonJ: comment out 'auto eth0' |
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| 12:51.10 | streuner | JonJ: /msg dpkg interfaces (as well) |
| 12:51.10 | JonJ | SerajewelKS, Thanks a lot |
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| 12:51.15 | SerajewelKS | JonJ: np |
| 12:51.18 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: would that be a decent interpretation? |
| 12:51.19 | TBBle | Gnea: Any other user on the system could stomp all over the nVidia driver by loading nvidia's libGL.so and poking it appropriately, yes. |
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| 12:51.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: that's the gist of it, yeah |
| 12:51.38 | zinx | SerajewelKS: I don't think nVidia is that concerned with security |
| 12:51.42 | Gnea | TBBle: ok, so try it. |
| 12:52.03 | SerajewelKS | zinx: it's not so much nvidia as the nvidia debian package |
| 12:52.08 | SerajewelKS | zinx: or the X server, or something |
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| 12:52.18 | SerajewelKS | zinx: it could be nvidia-glx i suppose |
| 12:52.21 | Gnea | come on |
| 12:52.24 | Gnea | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195, 255 2006-01-01 00:13 /dev/nvidiactl |
| 12:52.27 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it's almost certainly the X drivers |
| 12:52.36 | omry_ | how can I give normal users access to USB devices? right now lsusb lists the devices only for root. |
| 12:52.44 | SerajewelKS | omry_: chown |
| 12:52.45 | Gnea | you look at that and go "OMFG that's so vulnerable@!%*^#$(" |
| 12:52.53 | Gnea | and yet, if you try to cat or echo to it.... |
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| 12:53.14 | Gnea | the only way to do anything would be with a game or something |
| 12:53.27 | SerajewelKS | fudge, ssh is still crapping out |
| 12:53.30 | Gnea | but i won't speculate further |
| 12:53.34 | zinx | Gnea: you are less confident in people's reverse engineering skills than you should be |
| 12:53.35 | omry_ | SerajewelKS, chown what? |
| 12:53.36 | TBBle | The nvidia X driver sets those permissions when it loads. The other choice would be to chgrp it to something, and require the user using X to be in that group (and the only one in that group), and I believe that would be pain and suffering. |
| 12:53.39 | SerajewelKS | what the hell is resetting the connection? |
| 12:53.46 | SerajewelKS | omry_: the device i guess |
| 12:53.48 | Gnea | zinx: you are wrong. |
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| 12:54.16 | zinx | Gnea: thanks for explaining why |
| 12:54.25 | Gnea | zinx: you're welcome. |
| 12:54.27 | SerajewelKS | i have two ssh connections to the same host, one is running tunnels for azureus, and ssh keeps reporting that the connection is reset. wtf? |
| 12:54.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:54.35 | SerajewelKS | the other connection is alive and well |
| 12:55.07 | zinx | SerajewelKS: maybe azureus is trying to push too much through it |
| 12:55.08 | TBBle | Gnea: It's possible the nVidia kernel driver does some checking to be sure it's only being talked to by the one running X, but given that anecdotally the binary part of the nVidia kernel module is actually a chunk of their Win32 driver, I doubt that happens. |
| 12:55.27 | SerajewelKS | it's reset on both sides. some router is losing state for one of the connections, but not the other. |
| 12:55.50 | TBBle | I do wonder how GL works without X. If I knew that, I could probably give a useful example of not stomping... |
| 12:55.56 | TBBle | s/not// |
| 12:56.10 | Gnea | TBBle: i don't see how windows has anything to do with it |
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| 12:56.26 | zinx | TBBle: using the drivers directly without X isn't possible, since you need to create X windows to use them |
| 12:56.43 | zinx | TBBle: but a replay attack should provide some interesting information |
| 12:56.44 | Gnea | TBBle: framebuffer |
| 12:57.11 | Gnea | only, good luck finding one for nvidia :) |
| 12:57.42 | zinx | TBBle: preferably with a like-numbered window ID mapped |
| 12:57.50 | TBBle | Replay attack? On libGL.so? |
| 12:58.02 | zinx | TBBle: replay what libGL.so sends to /dev/nvidia* |
| 12:58.12 | zinx | TBBle: from a different program |
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| 12:58.54 | CHaoStracker | i can't get my usb device mounted.. plz help |
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| 12:59.13 | Gnea | !plz |
| 12:59.13 | dpkg | plz is, like, german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
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| 12:59.15 | Znh | CHaoStracker: 'cant get my usb device mounted'.. Requesting Details. |
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| 12:59.50 | Gnea | !tell CHaoStracker about ask |
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| 13:00.13 | prp | hello, this is offtopic but... i have the userid of an user on sf.net.. dose anyone know how can i go to his info page ? |
| 13:00.15 | Znh | why are you using that lame bot anyways, cant you speak yourself :/ |
| 13:00.36 | TBBle | zinx: No, I'm proposing to _use_ libGL.so to stomp over a visible screen. Given the existence of nvidia-glx-dev... |
| 13:00.43 | Gnea | Znh: pardon? |
| 13:00.46 | SerajewelKS | Znh: do you ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over? so do we. |
| 13:01.03 | TBBle | prp: You're right, that is offtopic. |
| 13:01.09 | TBBle | prp: It's also a survey. |
| 13:01.10 | SerajewelKS | prp: google |
| 13:01.12 | CHaoStracker | it's an mp3 player.. winblows treats it as a removable disk.. [usb flashdisk] i installed usbutils, hotplug and usbmount packages... but i can't get it working.. |
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| 13:01.19 | TBBle | prp: Tell us you're running Ubuntu, for a third strike. ^_^ |
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| 13:01.25 | Gnea | isn't there a sf.net channel? |
| 13:01.27 | zinx | TBBle: what does nvidia-glx-dev have to do with anything? |
| 13:01.27 | Gnea | #sf.net ? |
| 13:01.39 | Znh | SerajewelKS: Convert it to html, and forward people to there |
| 13:01.44 | CHaoStracker | when i "usbmodule --device /proc/bus/usb/001/008 etc i get "usb-storage" |
| 13:01.49 | prp | Gnea: ##sourceforge but it's somehow dead |
| 13:01.56 | SerajewelKS | Znh: that would be effectively the same thing. |
| 13:01.57 | Gnea | 'somehow' |
| 13:02.02 | prp | SerajewelKS: didn't helped much |
| 13:02.04 | TBBle | zinx: It exists, and provides headers and whatnot which I would presume would let me link libGL.so into a program and call GL commands against an nVidia card which was already in use by X as another user. |
| 13:02.18 | zinx | TBBle: there are easier ways to stomp over the screen if you can use libGL.so in the first place; as i said, libGL.so requires an X window to already exist |
| 13:02.20 | Znh | SerajewelKS: the idea is the same yes, but this way it's really a 'silly' way |
| 13:02.25 | prp | TBBle: i would had asked in Ubuntu if i had used it |
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| 13:02.29 | Gnea | prp: so, what you're asking us for is help on using the sourceforge.net website? |
| 13:02.38 | omry_ | SerajewelKS, added my user to camera group, and it seems to work. |
| 13:02.42 | zinx | TBBle: the headers are standard GL headers, with nVidia's GL extensions. you could just as easily use mesa's GL headers. |
| 13:02.43 | SerajewelKS | Znh: it works well. stop complaining, lest i invoke a factoir on YOU! |
| 13:02.46 | TBBle | zinx: Really? GL on linux _requires_ X? >_< |
| 13:02.51 | zinx | TBBle: Yes. |
| 13:02.54 | TBBle | zinx: Yuck. |
| 13:02.54 | SerajewelKS | factoid* too |
| 13:03.04 | TBBle | Hence my earlier suggestion that "if I knew more..." |
| 13:03.05 | prp | Gnea: no.. just wondering if someone know that ... i couldn't find in the documentation.. |
| 13:03.14 | SerajewelKS | Znh: the bot lets us keep it in the world of IRC, not require people to open browsers, etc. |
| 13:03.22 | TBBle | Now I think about it, if _I_ was the nVidia people, with this setup I'd have any incoming requests for GL access be queried back to the X server, using the /dev/nvidiactl device. ^_^ |
| 13:03.25 | Znh | SerajewelKS: *applause* - Two lines by yourself |
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| 13:03.47 | SerajewelKS | !mhallsmite Znh |
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| 13:03.52 | SerajewelKS | Znh: now be quiet |
| 13:05.14 | XTF | Hi. How do you get top to display the %CPU column with one decimal instead of zero? |
| 13:05.15 | TBBle | Hmm. I wonder if I could attack libGL.so using xvfb... |
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| 13:05.24 | Gnea | Znh: "duh, how do i get my nvidia video card to work in debian sarge?" it's so much easier to type: !nvidia one-liner rather than launching into unecessarily long discussions about why /dev/nvidiactl is owned by root:root and the whole planet can supposedly write to it :) |
| 13:05.37 | SerajewelKS | XTF: it does display one decimal |
| 13:06.01 | theD3viL | If i do sudo reboot, system dont shows progress of shuting down! Why? |
| 13:06.02 | CHaoStracker | noone to solve my usb-storage problem? :) |
| 13:06.10 | TBBle | Gnea: On the other hand, I don't think there's a factoid yet for "Why is the permissions on /dev/nvidia0 world-writable?" ^_^ |
| 13:06.19 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: did you invoke reboot from an X session? |
| 13:06.30 | XTF | SerajewelKS: Somehow it doesn't on a few of my systems: 1540 S 15 7.3 726:15.44 (15 being %CPU). |
| 13:06.33 | Gnea | theD3viL: who owns the console? |
| 13:06.35 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: hm..invoke? What that means? |
| 13:06.39 | theD3viL | Gnea: nobody. |
| 13:06.48 | Gnea | theD3viL: then nobody sees it |
| 13:06.52 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: ... type |
| 13:06.55 | CHaoStracker | i'm on debian sarge with kde |
| 13:07.03 | SerajewelKS | XTF: weird |
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| 13:07.22 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: type what? |
| 13:07.31 | XTF | SerajewelKS: I know. :( |
| 13:07.32 | Gnea | !usb mount |
| 13:07.32 | dpkg | from memory, usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html |
| 13:07.42 | fantomas | How to get current value of X fontpath? |
| 13:08.17 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: WHERE DID YOU TYPE reboot? god.. |
| 13:08.20 | TBBle | fantomas: xset q |
| 13:08.29 | Gnea | theD3viL: if you give it the three-finger salute, do you see the shutdown messages? |
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| 13:08.52 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: oh..sry :) in icewm, i did a script...so..icewm -> sudo reboot |
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| 13:09.23 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: then the reboot messages are probably on VT7 |
| 13:09.28 | theD3viL | Gnea: i think yes. |
| 13:09.44 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: maybe. Tnx. |
| 13:09.48 | Gnea | theD3viL: what if you changed it from `sudo reboot` to `sudo shutdown -r`? |
| 13:10.04 | theD3viL | Gnea: dunno. I can try |
| 13:10.17 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: that shouldn't change anything afaik |
| 13:10.30 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: let's find out |
| 13:11.07 | kijjaz | apt question: my apt-get can't get to many packages from the server.. (i guess it's because of the server in source.list.. they're thailand servers).. what mirror do you suggest? |
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| 13:12.55 | fantomas | TBBle: thanks |
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| 13:15.18 | theD3viL | Gnea: Messages shows in VTY7 |
| 13:15.33 | infoB | hello, how can i print on both sides in linux? |
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| 13:15.59 | threat | infoB, haha |
| 13:16.10 | Gnea | kijjaz: how do you know there's a difference? |
| 13:16.23 | Gnea | theD3viL: cool |
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| 13:16.36 | theD3viL | Gnea: maybe do you know how to make it in #1 ? |
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| 13:16.52 | Gnea | theD3viL: not offhand |
| 13:17.04 | theD3viL | And where are manager for deamons at startup? |
| 13:17.19 | Gnea | theD3viL: i know that gdm and other dm's are able to switch to 1 somehow |
| 13:17.26 | JohnCC | reboot |
| 13:17.33 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: you need to shut down icewm before rebooting |
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| 13:17.37 | theD3viL | Gnea: eh...its fine :) .. |
| 13:17.53 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: eh, then wont do that :> |
| 13:18.06 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: whereis some kind of manager for deamons at startup ? |
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| 13:18.12 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: when you reboot in KDE, it shuts down X (which makes it switch back to the last text-mode VT) and then reboots |
| 13:18.16 | theD3viL | couse the booting time is hude |
| 13:18.17 | theD3viL | huge |
| 13:18.32 | Gnea | what, is it a 486? |
| 13:18.44 | theD3viL | nope, 2600+ |
| 13:18.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: when you reboot from X, it starts the reboot process and then kills X, and init is already writing to VT7 at that point.. but killing X switches it away from 7 |
| 13:18.50 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 13:19.06 | infoB | threat, what's funny? i have printer and lpr installed, and what next? |
| 13:19.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ding! |
| 13:19.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: yup |
| 13:19.22 | Gnea | theD3viL: that's a shell script you wrote, right? |
| 13:19.31 | theD3viL | Gnea: yes,.. |
| 13:19.48 | theD3viL | Gnea: doesnt matther...there exist deamons manager ? |
| 13:19.50 | Gnea | theD3viL: try this: killall Xorg && reboot |
| 13:19.57 | Gnea | theD3viL: display manager |
| 13:20.16 | Gnea | theD3viL: it's a graphical login, basically |
| 13:20.31 | theD3viL | Gnea: nono, couse other distros boots faster than debian but dont know why =/..its stable |
| 13:20.59 | Gnea | theD3viL: other distros are setup differently. otherwise they wouldn't be other distros. but you can tweak debian |
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| 13:21.44 | Gnea | theD3viL: the more crap you have installed and loading at boottime, the longer it'll take - it's all in /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:21.47 | theD3viL | Gnea: tweak? How ? :P |
| 13:22.04 | EdLin | etch will have an improved boot-up speed |
| 13:22.14 | Gnea | theD3viL: you done gone and done it - RTFM! :P |
| 13:22.39 | Gnea | theD3viL: look at what you've got installed, basically, and figure out what you really need running at bootup |
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| 13:22.51 | lord_rob | Hi ! In cups I can only add printer connected directly to my box (parallel port) or connected via samba. Do I have to install more packages to be able to connect to a UNIX printer server ? |
| 13:22.58 | theD3viL | Gnea: yes, i know that, but there is nothing so big. I think kernel is booting quite long. |
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| 13:23.20 | Gnea | theD3viL: what kernel? |
| 13:23.23 | EdLin | theD3viL: another thing that can slow stuff down is hotplug failing, note its error messages and blacklist the offending undetected devices. |
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| 13:23.49 | theD3viL | Gnea: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 13:23.59 | theD3viL | EdLin: nope, hotplug dont false. |
| 13:24.08 | Gnea | theD3viL: sounds fine, you could always roll your own |
| 13:24.32 | theD3viL | Gnea: not bad idea. |
| 13:24.58 | EdLin | !tell theD3viL about kp-mantra |
| 13:25.12 | EdLin | !tell theD3viL about k-p-mantra |
| 13:25.21 | Gnea | what the |
| 13:25.24 | EdLin | phoey |
| 13:25.24 | theD3viL | nothing :) |
| 13:25.31 | Gnea | !tell theD3viL about kernel-package |
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| 13:26.00 | Gnea | !helixsmite EdLin |
| 13:26.02 | aitor | hi |
| 13:26.04 | theD3viL | thnx all |
| 13:26.05 | theD3viL | :) |
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| 13:27.12 | aitor | how can it be thant even though I have only 17 G of disk usage, everything tells me that I have 40 G? from konqueror to df O_o |
| 13:27.29 | dusty- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.59 | Gnea | dusty-: evince |
| 13:28.12 | aitor | dusty kpdf rocks :D |
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| 13:28.15 | Gnea | aitor: for what partition? |
| 13:28.25 | aitor | root partition gnea |
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| 13:28.39 | Gnea | what other partititons are there? |
| 13:29.08 | doub | !start a pdf viewer war |
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| 13:29.23 | m1ll3` | hello. is there a repository with xfce >4.2.2? oscillation only has 4.2.2 |
| 13:29.27 | aitor | a few of them...ntfs, ext3 could be 7 or 8 partitions right now |
| 13:29.29 | doub | too bad, this one doesnt exist |
| 13:30.31 | Eulex | m1ll3`, testing and unstable has 4.2.3.2 |
| 13:30.46 | m1ll3` | hm |
| 13:30.48 | m1ll3` | strange |
| 13:30.48 | aitor | i've made du -ksh to check dir sizes, and they don't sum up 40 g, the disk usage df tells I AM USING |
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| 13:30.59 | aitor | they sum up about 17 g |
| 13:31.01 | doub | aitor: what does your df line look like? |
| 13:31.27 | m1ll3` | Eulex: i'm using unstable but it won't update the xfce which I installed through the oscillation repository |
| 13:31.33 | aitor | any web to copy paste? I could paste the output there |
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| 13:31.51 | ronin | aitor: paster or pastebin |
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| 13:32.02 | m1ll3` | Eulex: can you paste your sources.list? |
| 13:32.08 | ronin | paster being a bot and pastebin being a website |
| 13:32.20 | doub | aitor: there can be a subtle difference between the effectively used space and the allocated one, especially with p2p temporary files or qemu images |
| 13:32.50 | Eulex | m1ll3`, what does for example apt-cache policy xfce4-panel say? |
| 13:33.08 | Yvette | i am still keep getting error: could not bind listening IPv4 socket. i am configuring vsftpd. doese anyone have any idea? |
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| 13:33.43 | aitor | doub, take a look |
| 13:33.44 | aitor | http://www.pocketpage.org/aitor/edit |
| 13:33.45 | doub | Yvette: check if there isn't a listening socket on the same port, with netstat -l |
| 13:34.03 | aitor | my p2p program works on another partition, and i don't use qemu |
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| 13:34.37 | Yvette | doub, no the same port |
| 13:34.45 | aitor | anyway, I think that the difference from 17G to 40G is severe enough to worry :S |
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| 13:35.23 | doub | aitor: these are only examples. try 'du --apparent-size' and without, this will tell you allocated / effective used space |
| 13:35.27 | Eulex | m1ll3`, that looks like you've pinned the xfce4 packages from os-cillation. |
| 13:35.51 | aitor | ok, i'll try, thanks :D |
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| 13:36.03 | m1ll3` | Eulex: should i comment all lines in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 13:36.06 | Eulex | m1ll3`, like they describe how to do at http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ |
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| 13:36.33 | Eulex | m1ll3`, you should comment those lines that affect packages from os-works.com |
| 13:36.49 | m1ll3` | ok - that's all i have in that file ;) |
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| 13:37.30 | m1ll3` | Eulex: then apt-cache says "E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 13:37.30 | m1ll3` | " |
| 13:37.56 | Eulex | m1ll3`, hmm, how did you try to comment it? |
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| 13:38.07 | m1ll3` | with # |
| 13:38.29 | m1ll3` | is it // ? |
| 13:38.41 | Eulex | m1ll3`, doesn't seem like it supports that then. try removing the lines altogether. |
| 13:39.16 | m1ll3` | now it shows 4.2.3-1 as candidate |
| 13:39.27 | m1ll3` | isn't 4.2.3-2 the latest? |
| 13:40.16 | Eulex | 4.2.3.2 is the latest |
| 13:40.36 | Eulex | the last -2 or -1 is the revision of the *debian package*, not the upstream version |
| 13:40.44 | fantomas | I've installed msttcorefonts package and downloaded fonts. Now they all are in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ but I have no idea how to start using them? There is no fonts.dir, no fonts.scale files. Do I need to create them manually or there is another way? |
| 13:41.08 | fantomas | I would say, modern way... |
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| 13:41.32 | EdLin | fantomas: the modern way is to run fc-cache as root |
| 13:41.39 | m1ll3` | Eulex: ah - so i've got the latest package-version which is available for debian? |
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| 13:42.28 | doub | Yvette: maybe /var/log/vsftpd.log says more about the problem |
| 13:42.58 | m1ll3` | ah, that looks good. wan't to get rid of this nasty bug with label descriptions being out of bounds :) |
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| 13:43.39 | Yvette | doub, i got no log file. |
| 13:44.12 | ISV-Kran | one question: |
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| 13:44.43 | m1ll3` | Eulex: thank you very much :) |
| 13:44.46 | ISV-Kran | where can I view a hardware compatibily list with debian? |
| 13:45.14 | doub | Yvette: are you trying to run it as root? you need root privileges to bind to ports below 1024 IIRC |
| 13:45.25 | doub | Yvette: and to write to /var/log |
| 13:45.32 | Znh | doub: 1000 that is |
| 13:45.49 | fantomas | EdLin: well, thanks. Is this somehow related to X fontpath? |
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| 13:46.18 | Yvette | doub, i am running it as root. autually i configure it as root within the whold process. |
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| 13:46.28 | Yvette | *whole |
| 13:46.42 | TBBle | fantomas: You prolly need to read the instructions for x-ttcidfont-conf, and add the instructed paths to X's fontpath if they're not there already. |
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| 13:48.25 | doub | Yvette: is it in standalone, or inetd mode? |
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| 13:48.41 | Yvette | doub, standalone |
| 13:48.56 | EdLin | fantomas: it's the system used by fontconfig and Xft I think. |
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| 13:49.42 | sumar | how I can see whole dmesg at ttyS0 at boot time? |
| 13:49.53 | doub | Yvette: you can try 'strace vsftpd' to see what fails. look for 'bind()' or 'open("/var/log[whatever]")' |
| 13:50.44 | TBBle | sumar: It'll be a console= or similar kernel parameter. Have a look in the kernel documentation (kernel-doc-2.6.whatever package) |
| 13:50.51 | TBBle | Uh, linux-doc-2.6.whatever |
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| 13:51.54 | doub | sumar: there's a quite old but still useful serial console howto that covers the whole deal, at tldp.org |
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| 13:53.00 | zege | hi |
| 13:53.02 | vimp | Is anyone using Sarge kmail? When composing an email, you can click on "bold" icon. It seems that it's impossible to UNCLICK it. Same with "italic". |
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| 13:53.49 | vimp | I found this buy in my first 5 seconds using Kmail. I'd say the legendary Debian QA failed miserably |
| 13:53.55 | vimp | s/buy/bug |
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| 13:54.11 | Yvette | doub: i got the layout about strace vsftpd. but it's too complicated. i am confused. |
| 13:54.26 | krummie | hi, I have mysql 4 installed on debian (testing). Mysqld is generating over 99% cpu usage. The system load gains towards 194. How can I find out what mysql is doing at that time? I meanwhen it's generating the high load. |
| 13:54.30 | doub | vimp: that's just as usual with legends of any kinds, they always fail in the end |
| 13:54.37 | zege | how can i force my sarge to allow xdmcp request? |
| 13:55.26 | ronin | vimp: did you try clicking the rest font settings button? |
| 13:55.48 | doub | vimp: however, there are efforts you can participate in to make debian better. and that's not a legend, anyone can join in |
| 13:55.51 | abrotman | krummie: does it do it all the time ? |
| 13:55.55 | Yvette | doub: like this: bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(21), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EADDRINUSE (Address already in use) |
| 13:56.10 | vimp | ronin: yes (reset). It doesn't unclick "bold" and "italic", i.e. you get the default font, but you can't switch back to bold or italic |
| 13:56.16 | saloxin | krummie: mysql logs extensively in /var/log/mysql/ |
| 13:56.22 | Yvette | doub: and this: write(0, "could not bind listening IPv4 so"..., 36could not bind listening IPv4 socket) = 36. |
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| 13:56.33 | ronin | vimp: so i just saw, interesting, guess you need to check the bts :) |
| 13:56.37 | TBBle | zege: Depends on which display manager you're using. |
| 13:56.37 | Yvette | doub: do you have any clue? |
| 13:56.43 | doub | Yvette: that's the problem : Address already in use. you have some other process already listening on port 21 |
| 13:56.46 | vimp | ronin: bts? |
| 13:56.49 | zege | TBBle XDM |
| 13:56.56 | ronin | !bts |
| 13:56.56 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:56.58 | doub | Yvette: look for "netstat -lpt|grep 21" says |
| 13:57.19 | doub | Yvette: the program name and PID should be on the last column on the right |
| 13:57.36 | TBBle | zege: /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options or similar. The instructions should be in the file. |
| 13:57.44 | zege | thx |
| 13:58.22 | vimp | ronin: my rule of thumb is that if I find an obvious bug in my first 5 seconds of using some program, that program is f*. I can try submitting bugs, etc. - but then I'll probably have to do it every 3 minutes. No thanks |
| 13:58.46 | fantomas | TBBle: yes, that helped. Thanks again! :) |
| 13:59.02 | Yvette | doub: i got nothing with the commond you gave me. is the command correct? please double check. |
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| 13:59.16 | Snow | hey guys, maybe you know some control panel like directadmin or cpanel, but free? |
| 13:59.19 | blondie | vimp: you should just send plain text mails. |
| 13:59.24 | sd-tux | hi people... can somebody tell me how can a georgian unicode made into debian(main) the font is GPL.. |
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| 13:59.30 | SerajewelKS | Snow: webmin? |
| 13:59.39 | TBBle | fantomas: Excellent. ^_^ |
| 13:59.39 | Snow | webmin has vulns |
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| 13:59.53 | TBBle | Snow: gplpanel.com, I think. |
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| 13:59.59 | Snow | and I need more for users |
| 14:00.02 | Snow | not for managing the server |
| 14:00.05 | doub | Yvette: yes, sorry, got misled. "netstat -ltp|grep ftp" |
| 14:00.05 | vimp | blondie: and you need to support the Bush administration :-) |
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| 14:00.16 | doub | Yvette: (as root) |
| 14:00.22 | TBBle | Snow: Either way, google for gplpanel, it's intended to be a free alternative to cpanel. |
| 14:00.28 | fantomas | TBBle: now if I install manually new, say, ttf fonts where should I place them and what should I run then to get them working? fc-cache on /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/ or something else? |
| 14:00.29 | Snow | Firefox can't find the server at www.gplpanel.com. |
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| 14:00.37 | ronin | vimp: ahh so you dont want to help make it better then? |
| 14:01.02 | vimp | ronin: not if it doesn't even try to be "good" |
| 14:01.15 | SerajewelKS | vimp: stop whining |
| 14:01.26 | Snow | google doesn't find gplpanel |
| 14:01.27 | vimp | SerajewelKS: stop whining about my whining, thanks |
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| 14:01.30 | Snow | maybe you mystyped ? |
| 14:01.34 | Yvette | doub: i got this: tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN 8 599/vsftpd |
| 14:01.37 | TBBle | fantomas: I think /usr/local/share/fonts or /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype will get picked up, but I'm not _sure_. /usr/share/fonts/truetype/local might be worth a try, but is less FHS-compliant. |
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| 14:01.51 | TBBle | Snow: Weird. I'm pretty sure that's it... |
| 14:01.57 | SerajewelKS | vimp: i'm not whining. i'm telling. whining is a good way to get kicked. |
| 14:02.03 | Snow | TBBle: check out yourself :) |
| 14:02.06 | doub | Yvette: so vsftpd is already running in the background. try "killall vsftpd" and start it again |
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| 14:02.37 | vimp | SerajewelKS: you are whining |
| 14:02.38 | TBBle | Snow: Ah. gplhost.com, sorry. ^_^ |
| 14:02.51 | SerajewelKS | vimp: if you don't like some program and aren't willing to submit a bug report then STFU and use something else |
| 14:03.15 | doub | vimp: if you want full blown QA, just pay for it. i'm shure thousands of people are ready to offer this to you |
| 14:03.21 | vimp | SerajewelKS: sounds like you subscribe to Muslim notions about free speech and criticism |
| 14:03.23 | Snow | thanks TBBle |
| 14:03.34 | Yvette | doub: i got vsftpd running again. |
| 14:03.43 | TBBle | Snow: Their competitors list also refers to a couple of other free projects. ^_^ |
| 14:03.57 | SerajewelKS | vimp: i subscribe to the fact that #debian doesn't tolerate trolling |
| 14:04.08 | vimp | SerajewelKS: then why are you trolling? |
| 14:04.14 | Yvette | doub: but it doesn't work with ftp localhost. do you have any idea? |
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| 14:04.18 | SerajewelKS | vimp: wtf |
| 14:04.47 | SerajewelKS | vimp: asking someone to stop whining is not trolling. it's not even whining. it's informing you of the rules. |
| 14:05.18 | SerajewelKS | ... |
| 14:05.19 | Snow | TBBle: but this one is the best? |
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| 14:06.13 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 14:06.13 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:06.15 | TBBle | Snow: I dunno, I haven't gotten around to trying it quite yet. |
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| 14:06.27 | doub | Yvette: maybe there's a name resolution problem. or a misconfiguration. but i'm no substitute for RTFM ;) |
| 14:06.36 | TBBle | Snow: But I know _of_ it. ^_^ And it's Debian-based, as I recall, so best compatibility. |
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| 14:09.06 | abrotman | !irritate vimp |
| 14:09.06 | dpkg | vimp: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 14:10.00 | Yvette | doub: i don't know how vsftpd woks. is it just a server? how can i creat a ftp server that people can upload and download from my server? |
| 14:10.04 | erore | hi |
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| 14:10.19 | susp | evening guys. i'm busy tinkering with debian, loving it |
| 14:10.22 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: anonymous uploads? |
| 14:10.24 | susp | which mail server would you guys recomend? |
| 14:10.30 | erore | i've lost alt gr how do i define it? |
| 14:10.31 | SerajewelKS | susp: for what? |
| 14:10.31 | abrotman | postfix |
| 14:10.41 | susp | SerajewelKS: pop3 / smtp mail |
| 14:10.52 | SerajewelKS | susp: postfix + courier |
| 14:10.59 | susp | lakker |
| 14:11.03 | abrotman | and maildir! |
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| 14:11.19 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: nope. |
| 14:11.43 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: so fully-authenticated up/down? will they each be uploading to their own folder, or some common folder? |
| 14:11.53 | vimp | abrotman: probably @ pirate bay lol lol lol |
| 14:12.00 | abrotman | nice |
| 14:12.12 | abrotman | we have a class three LOLer .. |
| 14:12.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: troll to boot |
| 14:13.06 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: what's the next step after i finished installing vsftpd? create a ftp dictionary under /var? |
| 14:13.08 | vimp | !irritate dpkg |
| 14:13.09 | dpkg | dpkg: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound lol |
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| 14:13.36 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: answer my previous question |
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| 14:14.06 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: not the fully-auth* up/down |
| 14:14.17 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: so you *do* want anonymous? |
| 14:14.30 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: i want |
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| 14:14.56 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: yes? |
| 14:14.57 | TheReverant | what happens if i install linux onto a windows partition (not the partition where windows is installed on, just a ntfs one), will windows take that and will the other windows partitions still work? |
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| 14:15.15 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: linux doesn't have stable write support for NTFS |
| 14:15.29 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: ok. my question is not clear. i want ftp localhost. |
| 14:15.39 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: in other words, you can't install linux to an NTFS partition |
| 14:15.46 | TheReverant | SerajewelKS: i mean format the partition and install linux on it |
| 14:15.49 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: at least, no sane person would attempt it |
| 14:15.58 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: then it wouldn't be NTFS, it would be ext3 |
| 14:16.06 | TheReverant | yea i know |
| 14:16.20 | TheReverant | but will windows not get nuts because it lost a parition? |
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| 14:16.33 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: it won't recognize it, so it won't give it a drive letter |
| 14:16.39 | TheReverant | yea |
| 14:16.53 | TheReverant | just want to know if my other ntfs data will get affected or anything |
| 14:17.02 | pigro85 | hi |
| 14:17.03 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: not if it's on a different partition |
| 14:17.17 | SerajewelKS | !greet pigro85 |
| 14:17.17 | dpkg | Howdy, pigro85 |
| 14:17.19 | EdLin | TheReverant: NTFS has been resizable for some time now. |
| 14:17.20 | TheReverant | im trying to get rid of windows on my 200 gig hd and put it onto my 30 gig one where linux is at atm |
| 14:17.54 | TheReverant | but i dont want to lose a byte of data so i got to tmove the data aroud and install linux on each partition seperately |
| 14:18.02 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: have a linux livecd handy, you'll probably break the system at some point and need to recover |
| 14:18.03 | TheReverant | well, thanks for help ;) |
| 14:18.12 | TheReverant | i do have several |
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| 14:18.19 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: and you can move linux without reinstalling it |
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| 14:18.36 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: just update the bootloader with the right /dev/hd?? |
| 14:18.41 | TheReverant | yea but i only got ntfs partition other than on where linux is at now |
| 14:18.44 | spibants | GNOME or KDE for debian? |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | you pick |
| 14:19.02 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: if you're going to format the partition, just copy your current linux partition over it |
| 14:19.05 | Yvette | damn. i am stupid. i didn't even install ftp. how i can ftp localhost? |
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| 14:19.10 | pigro85 | kde rulez |
| 14:19.13 | TheReverant | SerajewelKS: linux is on a 30 gigabyte hd atm, and i want it to be on a 60 gig partition of my 200 gig |
| 14:19.18 | SerajewelKS | !start a wm war |
| 14:19.18 | dpkg | GNOME bites! |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | rules the crapper |
| 14:19.29 | abrotman | err .. krapper |
| 14:19.32 | spibants | hehe ok but why? |
| 14:19.35 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: copy and resize with partitionmagic |
| 14:19.40 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: or parted |
| 14:19.41 | abrotman | spibants: try them both .. pick the one you want |
| 14:19.54 | vin` | or dump em both and pick another. |
| 14:20.01 | abrotman | or that .. |
| 14:20.07 | TheReverant | SerajewelKS: the 200 gig hd is nearly full |
| 14:20.09 | vimp | spibants: both suck |
| 14:20.12 | spibants | only the graphical is the deferrence? |
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| 14:20.15 | erhanugur | hi debian xfree86 - ati vga - not 1024 x 768 :( |
| 14:20.15 | TheReverant | and i dont want to lose data |
| 14:20.20 | linuxuser | hi |
| 14:20.27 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: then you're screwed |
| 14:20.30 | abrotman | spibants: try them both .. pick the one you want . noone can decide for you |
| 14:20.41 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: you need to free at least 35gb of the 200gb |
| 14:20.52 | TheReverant | so i got to arraneg all the data to the other partitions to free up 1 partition, install linux on it, move data thereto install linux on the other partition aso |
| 14:20.54 | spibants | coz ive read that gnome ismore lite & faster.. |
| 14:20.54 | vimp | spibants: I use iceWM - configuring takes a while, but in the end it's much leaner and more convenient |
| 14:20.58 | TheReverant | it works i made the plan already ;) |
| 14:21.11 | linuxuser | am i able to use debian unstable without big problems? |
| 14:21.16 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: reinstalling linux should not be necessary |
| 14:21.18 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 14:21.18 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:21.22 | abrotman | linuxuser: ^^ |
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| 14:21.25 | SerajewelKS | linuxuser: probably not |
| 14:21.31 | TheReverant | hm would be cool if it wasnt ^-^ |
| 14:21.32 | linuxuser | hmm |
| 14:21.41 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: it's not |
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| 14:21.52 | TheReverant | so, i can free upa 60 gig partitino on my 200 g hd |
| 14:21.58 | linuxuser | wich tree do i need for gnome >2.12 |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | unstable .. but stuff breaks |
| 14:22.15 | doub | SerajewelKS: i've seen friends so used to windows reinstalling debian several times ;) |
| 14:22.18 | linuxuser | shit |
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| 14:22.24 | TheReverant | and i can just move the linux data to that partition and it will work? |
| 14:22.33 | abrotman | linuxuser: if you use testing .. it will be there soon enough |
| 14:22.36 | Yvette | when i log into ftp://localhost. the files are from username /home. how can i set a specific folder? |
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| 14:22.40 | doub | SerajewelKS: well, they didn't quite got it in the first place, it seems |
| 14:22.43 | linuxuser | ok thats nice |
| 14:22.45 | SerajewelKS | doub: i've done it once.. it actually fixed several problems i was having |
| 14:22.54 | linuxuser | and the new gnome (2.14)? |
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| 14:23.03 | abrotman | it's not out yet |
| 14:23.04 | SerajewelKS | doub: running the same testing install for several years... reinstall and the system was much smoother |
| 14:23.07 | linuxuser | i know |
| 14:23.26 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do |
| 14:23.28 | linuxuser | but how long takes it that it is in testing? |
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| 14:23.59 | sylvisj | Where is the gcc compiler config file on debian? |
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| 14:24.16 | TheReverant | wth :0 |
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| 14:24.21 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: gcc has a config file? |
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| 14:24.22 | TheReverant | wa there a netsplit? |
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| 14:24.30 | sylvisj | TheReverant: It appears so... |
| 14:24.39 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: no, it's some distributed bot attack |
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| 14:24.51 | TheReverant | oh |
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| 14:24.53 | abrotman | !ops join flood ? |
| 14:24.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: join flood |
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| 14:25.00 | TheReverant | and what is a D-Line ? |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | there was supposed to be a ? after that |
| 14:25.15 | sylvisj | SerajewellKS: The file that holds all the gcc compiler optimization flags... seen it end in .conf a lot |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | oh sure .. now it stops |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 14:25.24 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: sorry. my question is not clear. that's a another question. how can i using a specific folder for people download and upload files? |
| 14:25.32 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: afaict there isn't one |
| 14:25.34 | RichiH | hrm |
| 14:25.48 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: RTFM, it's in vsftpd.conf's manpage |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | RichiH: wth was that ? |
| 14:25.54 | vin` | abrotman: it's probably related to mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper, +l ppl waiting to get in. |
| 14:25.57 | RichiH | no idea, yet |
| 14:26.00 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Are you serious...? How do I set the gcc optimization flags then? |
| 14:26.17 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: i mean there isn't one by default on debian |
| 14:26.27 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: i'm not sure if you can make one... check google maybe? |
| 14:26.32 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Alrighty, thanks. |
| 14:26.32 | abrotman | vin`: probably not |
| 14:26.39 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: i've never heard of gcc having a config file =/ |
| 14:26.52 | doub | vin`: there were several duplicate IPs for different nicks |
| 14:26.55 | SerajewelKS | vin`: yeah, uhm no |
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| 14:26.58 | RichiH | abrotman: seem most of the things got klined |
| 14:27.10 | abrotman | hopefully the ops don't kill me |
| 14:27.11 | TheReverant | SerajewelKS: so, i still havent exactly understood how i could just get my current linux installation to the other hd, just move all the data? |
| 14:27.22 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: copy the partition |
| 14:27.31 | TheReverant | oh |
| 14:27.37 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: and update the bootloader with the new partition location |
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| 14:27.49 | TheReverant | partitionmagic is for linux? |
| 14:27.52 | linuxuser | debian is (if I want a stable version) everytime obsolete |
| 14:27.58 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: it's a commercial windows app |
| 14:28.08 | linuxuser | QTparted |
| 14:28.09 | SerajewelKS | TheReverant: parted is an open-source program for linux |
| 14:28.13 | CoolCubix | can someone help me ? i've got a problem with X |
| 14:28.14 | TheReverant | ah |
| 14:28.14 | abrotman | linuxuser: no it's not |
| 14:28.20 | TheReverant | thanks |
| 14:28.21 | SerajewelKS | linuxuser: yeah, is qtparted packaged for debian? |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:28.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:28.39 | linuxuser | but how i can use the newest versions? |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | you use unstable .. and pray it never breaks |
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| 14:28.57 | dvs | linuxuser, try backports |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | or cry when it does |
| 14:29.11 | linuxuser | thats shit |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | then don't use debian |
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| 14:29.34 | SerajewelKS | linuxuser: or use testing, and get fairly recent stuff |
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| 14:29.43 | CoolCubix | i have a problem with Xorg. i'm running Debian Sarge stable but apt mirrors unstable. when i try to start X, it starts, but only after one or two minutes, and i can do nothing while, not even go to TTY1 |
| 14:29.49 | vimp | linuxuser: Redhat 4.2 (or free clones like CentOS 4.2) are approximately as up-to-date as "Debian Unstable", but they are of course much more stable (wrt bugs, crashes, features) |
| 14:29.55 | SerajewelKS | oh wow, it's been a while since i've used gparted.. it's nice |
| 14:30.04 | CoolCubix | it didn't do that when i was on XFree |
| 14:30.10 | linuxuser | i like apt-get :) |
| 14:30.18 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: why are you using unstable? |
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| 14:30.30 | EdLin | vimp: you've now confirmed your troll status. |
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| 14:30.43 | dvs | SerajewelKS, I thought CoolCubix said stable |
| 14:30.44 | CoolCubix | because i had bugs which were corriged only with the versions on unstable mirrors |
| 14:30.46 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: thank you |
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| 14:31.02 | SerajewelKS | dvs: how does he have xorg then? "i'm running Debian Sarge stable but apt mirrors unstable." |
| 14:31.10 | linuxuser | lol |
| 14:31.12 | SerajewelKS | dvs: he's running stable+unstable |
| 14:31.18 | CoolCubix | yes |
| 14:31.21 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: saying RHEL is newer than Debian unstable is not only a troll, its not true. |
| 14:31.32 | CoolCubix | installation with Stable CD but unstable apt mirrors |
| 14:31.32 | dvs | SerajewelKS, yikes! That's asking for trouble |
| 14:31.46 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i know that.. just thanking you for confirming that he is a troll =) |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg xorg sarge ? |
| 14:31.54 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: that is a recipie for disaster |
| 14:31.54 | dvs | CoolCubix, so you're running unstable |
| 14:31.57 | SerajewelKS | dvs: exactly |
| 14:32.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: he's running stable with packages from unstable |
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| 14:32.25 | pyromatrx | how do I completed remove xserver so I can do a clean install? I tried purging with dpkg but I still get errors when loading X which I didn't get before after a clean install |
| 14:32.26 | linuxuser | hmm, i can try that too, i only want xorg and gnome and a few other tools in the newest verison... :) *smile* |
| 14:32.36 | linuxuser | stable+unstable |
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| 14:33.04 | CoolCubix | firefox 1.0.4 on unstable mirrors |
| 14:33.11 | linuxuser | lol |
| 14:33.13 | CoolCubix | even if i don't use firefox |
| 14:33.20 | CoolCubix | i find it a bit outdated |
| 14:33.20 | vimp | linuxuser: CentOS uses Yum, to which they switched from Apt-rpm, which is basically apt-get for RPMs |
| 14:33.21 | linuxuser | a littlebit old... |
| 14:33.25 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: i could not find one about this option. it's more like as i describled. when i log into a ftp server like ftp.dean.org. there are many folders. each folder contains folders and files. these folders are specific folder which labeled with text. ok. my ftp://localhost only got some files which belongs to one of my username's home. i want add some specific folder, like movie, music and so on to my ftp://localhost. how can i do that? |
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| 14:33.33 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: 1.5 is in unstable |
| 14:33.37 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:33.38 | doub | linuxuser: you can do that with backports or apt pinning, but that's quite borring on the long run |
| 14:33.47 | jeffrin | is anyone using GPRS easy connect |
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| 14:33.48 | CoolCubix | i don't ask for 1.5 but at least 1.0.7 |
| 14:33.50 | jeffrin | is anyone using GPRS easy connect ? |
| 14:33.51 | doub | linuxuser: dependency problems arise quite often |
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| 14:34.03 | EdLin | firefox is 1.5 in unstable.... |
| 14:34.03 | linuxuser | yum is crappy and i have tried it with fedora |
| 14:34.04 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: will external machines be able to connect to the server, or is it only for local users? |
| 14:34.04 | TheReverant | so thanks again SerajewelKS, gonna play a last time cs before i break it ^·^ |
| 14:34.09 | CoolCubix | but there was biiig bugs when i was only with stabl mirrors |
| 14:34.11 | EdLin | not 1.5.1, but still pretty fresh |
| 14:34.25 | TheReverant | cy@ll |
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| 14:34.25 | CoolCubix | a friend gave me unstable mirrors and some bugs disappeared |
| 14:34.31 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: so far every statement you've made is incorrect |
| 14:34.42 | CoolCubix | ? |
| 14:34.49 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: only for local users. |
| 14:34.50 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: firefox 1.5 is in unstable, and unstable is *not* more stable than stable |
| 14:34.58 | linuxuser | i try that shit with stable+unstable in a virtualPC |
| 14:35.01 | doub | vimp: you're not in the right channel. |
| 14:35.05 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: then why use FTP at all? set up some folder in /var/ and give everyone read access |
| 14:35.20 | CoolCubix | yeah but when i was on stable, Gnome had bugs that i have no longer with unstable mirrors |
| 14:35.33 | linuxuser | Is xorg already in sarge? |
| 14:35.39 | EdLin | CoolCubix: "apt-cache policy firefox" |
| 14:35.39 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: and now X isn't working. that's less buggy? |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's how you kill a box |
| 14:35.43 | abrotman | linuxuser: no |
| 14:35.44 | EdLin | CoolCubix: says 1.5 here |
| 14:35.48 | linuxuser | :( |
| 14:35.49 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: i am learnning ftp configuration. ok. for external manchinese connect to server. |
| 14:35.53 | fhffhqvb | in soviet russia, box kills you |
| 14:35.54 | SerajewelKS | linuxuser: xorg will never be in sarge |
| 14:35.56 | PTM | hi there, debian fellows |
| 14:35.57 | CoolCubix | i don't care about firefox i use opera but it was an example !! |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | linuxuser: perhaps you should try #ubuntu |
| 14:36.02 | pyromatrx | how do I completely remove xserver so I can do a clean install? I tried purging with dpkg but I still get errors when loading X which I didn't get before after a clean install |
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| 14:36.10 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: ah, then you'd just set a common directory. man vsftpd.conf |
| 14:36.26 | CoolCubix | SerajewelKS: X works, but not exactly the way i like |
| 14:36.27 | PTM | question: what could be the reason, a file browser (nautilus) always dies after accessing a nfs mount? |
| 14:36.37 | linuxuser | ubuntu sucks, i tried it a long time, but its so, i dont know hmm |
| 14:36.41 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: exactly. it's not less buggy, the bugs just moved from GNOME to X. |
| 14:36.55 | CoolCubix | i prefer something slow than something which doesn't work |
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| 14:37.11 | Yvette | SerajewelKS: man vsftpd.conf again? sorry. my english is so poor that i have reading man page for twice. i am still not understand it completely. |
| 14:37.26 | SerajewelKS | Yvette: i'm sure there's a translated version in your language |
| 14:37.43 | CoolCubix | so can you help me ? or i have to ask here somewhere else just because i have unstable mirrors ? |
| 14:37.49 | linuxuser | is it possible to run something like blackbox or fluxbox with framebuffer, and how to setup it? |
| 14:38.13 | CoolCubix | here==>help* |
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| 14:38.21 | erore | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.23 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: you should not be running unstable. testing at the latest. |
| 14:38.25 | erore | hola |
| 14:38.28 | doub | linuxuser: they're X apps, you can only run them through an X server. or port them |
| 14:38.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:38.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:38.40 | threat | [playing] Strapping Young Lad - Underneath The Waves [ ]4%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 4539/6287 [Stereo] |
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| 14:38.46 | SerajewelKS | threat: stop that |
| 14:38.52 | linuxuser | now im frustated |
| 14:38.56 | threat | SerajewelKS, stop what? |
| 14:38.59 | threat | [playing] Strapping Young Lad - Underneath The Waves [= ]12%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 4539/6287 [Stereo] |
| 14:39.01 | doub | linuxuser: i've been told gnome however can work on directfb, as gtk has been ported there |
| 14:39.02 | SerajewelKS | threat: that |
| 14:39.05 | threat | what? |
| 14:39.07 | threat | [playing] Strapping Young Lad - Underneath The Waves [= ]16%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 4539/6287 [Stereo] |
| 14:39.13 | sylvisj | <threat> [playing] Strapping Young Lad - Underneath The Waves [= ]16%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 4539/6287 [Stereo] |
| 14:39.20 | threat | what about it ? |
| 14:39.21 | linuxuser | hmm nice, i google it |
| 14:39.21 | threat | [playing] Strapping Young Lad - Underneath The Waves [= ]23%, 125 kbps, 44 kHz, pos: 4539/6287 [Stereo] |
| 14:39.22 | abrotman | !ops threat announcing his music preferences |
| 14:39.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: threat announcing his music preferences |
| 14:39.24 | SerajewelKS | threat: we don't give a fuck what you're listening to |
| 14:39.25 | sylvisj | Quit it. Quite simple. |
| 14:39.31 | threat | whats what i am playing atm |
| 14:39.39 | SerajewelKS | threat: and we don't care. turn it off. |
| 14:39.41 | vimp | linuxuser: Xorg doesn't work on your box? |
| 14:39.42 | sylvisj | WE DON'T FUCKING CARE, QUIT SPAMMING WITH IT. |
| 14:39.43 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | threat: you've been told before .. please turn it off |
| 14:39.47 | sandman | ? |
| 14:40.02 | threat | sandman, wow! |
| 14:40.19 | threat | sandman, thats great!! keep me and this whole channel updated on that |
| 14:40.21 | sandman | I don't know why but I only have cable, and I'm getting those bandwidths. |
| 14:40.24 | threat | abrotman, hi |
| 14:40.30 | CoolCubix | SerajewelKS: don't you have an idea of what i can do ? |
| 14:40.43 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 14:40.43 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:40.44 | CoolCubix | some logs i could see ? or something else ? |
| 14:40.44 | SerajewelKS | sandman: that's not uncommon, but as cool as that is we really don't care |
| 14:40.44 | bbrazil | sandman: cache? |
| 14:40.48 | sylvisj | sandman: Consider yourself lucky. |
| 14:40.51 | linuxuser | do someone know a very small and fast xserver? xorg is too large... i want to use it on a server with 128mb ram |
| 14:40.56 | SerajewelKS | CoolCubix: use testing |
| 14:41.03 | threat | CoolCubix, I know, paste your music preference into this channel :) you will get more attention like I did |
| 14:41.06 | abrotman | linuxuser: then use xfree |
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| 14:41.15 | sylvisj | You will get yelled at, nothing more... |
| 14:41.15 | sandman | Well, I thought maybe it was some kind of error.. I thought it was physically impossible to get that much |
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| 14:41.22 | SerajewelKS | linuxuser: xorg doesn't use a whole lot of ram |
| 14:41.25 | sylvisj | Sandman: T1, T3, etc. |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | threat: stop being a tard |
| 14:41.35 | vimp | threat: 'lad' - is it Canadian? |
| 14:41.36 | linuxuser | no, only 300MB |
| 14:41.37 | SerajewelKS | sandman: nah, on off-days you can get good speeds |
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| 14:41.40 | CoolCubix | okay i'm gonna ask help somewhere else, thank you |
| 14:41.45 | threat | Tired of waiting, tired of fighting, tired of waiting for fucking nothing!! |
| 14:41.49 | SerajewelKS | danieldg: i doubt anyone is up sunday morning |
| 14:41.51 | pyromatrx | how do I completely remove xserver so I can do a clean install? I tried purging with dpkg but I still get errors when loading X which I didn't get before after a clean install |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | threat: THEN LEAVE |
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| 14:41.55 | ronin | i see its a typical sunday here again |
| 14:41.57 | SerajewelKS | threat: we don't care. stop trolling. |
| 14:41.59 | threat | abrotman, ! |
| 14:42.00 | threat | :) |
| 14:42.01 | threat | :P |
| 14:42.03 | threat | :D |
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| 14:42.09 | SerajewelKS | !ops threat being a 'tard |
| 14:42.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: threat being a 'tard |
| 14:42.10 | Eulex | !tell threat about enter |
| 14:42.14 | sylvisj | I hope kvirc has a /ignore function |
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| 14:42.27 | fhffhqvb | shelia28n: go away smelly bot |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | !rfo |
| 14:42.28 | dpkg | ambrose for ops! |
| 14:42.47 | SerajewelKS | !beat threat |
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| 14:42.59 | threat | Eulex, .............. |
| 14:43.00 | vimp | sylvisj: why don't you just RTFM, or type /help ignore - I'm ignoring quite a few of a****s here |
| 14:43.05 | EdLin | !mhallsmite threat |
| 14:43.06 | sandman | Hm. For some reason threat strikes me as really offensive. |
| 14:43.10 | linuxuser | see you soon |
| 14:43.16 | SerajewelKS | !beer EdLin |
| 14:43.20 | fhffhqvb | !sunday |
| 14:43.20 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 14:43.30 | vimp | !irritate threat |
| 14:43.30 | dpkg | threat: hi every1 who uses cable !!!1 |
| 14:43.39 | sylvisj | vimp: Because this is my first time on kvirc, didn't know if /ignore would do anything. It was pretty rhetorical. |
| 14:43.49 | threat | mmm beer |
| 14:43.57 | tpr | can I safely remove x-window-system (doing apt-get remove xdm) too, last time i removed some of x related things i got to a whole lot of trouble :) |
| 14:43.59 | vimp | threat: lol |
| 14:44.04 | threat | I am drinking beck's and heinikens |
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| 14:44.11 | bbrazil | tpr: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:44.11 | sylvisj | !! removing x-window-system removes X |
| 14:44.12 | lumat | heineken |
| 14:44.14 | hyksos | hi, someone knows how to debug as generated code? |
| 14:44.18 | threat | lumat, :) |
| 14:44.18 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: no |
| 14:44.22 | vimp | threat: also try negra modelo |
| 14:44.26 | SerajewelKS | tpr: it's a metapackage. removing it will do nothing. |
| 14:44.29 | threat | so who likes becks and heineken's? |
| 14:44.36 | tpr | bbrazil, sylvisj trying to get rid of any x related thingies, i dont run x :) |
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| 14:44.37 | abrotman | threat: shut up .. really .. |
| 14:44.52 | threat | abrotman, do you like becks and or heinikens? |
| 14:44.55 | EdLin | threat: I can't believe you're putting the two in the same sentence |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | threat: i'd like you to die |
| 14:45.00 | bbrazil | tpr: well, some console stuff is linked to X (imagemagick for example) |
| 14:45.01 | threat | :) |
| 14:45.02 | tpr | SerajewelKS: do I wont like remove any libs or something i did the last time (i think i did apt-get remove xfree86 which kind of fu*ked things up:) |
| 14:45.04 | threat | abrotman, no |
| 14:45.04 | sylvisj | :( Too bad I assumed x-window-system wasn't a meta. |
| 14:45.10 | threat | EdLin, really?? |
| 14:45.22 | lumat | ok ... who knows jever? |
| 14:45.31 | SerajewelKS | tpr: x-window-system only depends on an X server. removing it will not remove any files from your system. |
| 14:45.33 | abrotman | EdLin: he's obviously a tard .. what do you expect |
| 14:45.40 | doub | #debian on sunday : a great place to be when you miss the one true mankind |
| 14:45.42 | threat | abrotman, hi |
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| 14:45.44 | doub | hum |
| 14:45.46 | vimp | threat: negra modelo > heineken > becks |
| 14:45.48 | EdLin | abrotman: true |
| 14:45.55 | threat | abrotman, or do you drink donkey piss, a.k.a budwieser? |
| 14:46.02 | tpr | SerajewelKS: great :) |
| 14:46.24 | abrotman | no .. i drink that nasty crap from australia |
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| 14:46.29 | EdLin | vimp: thus confirming that you too, are a tard |
| 14:46.33 | lumat | Foster? |
| 14:46.36 | tpr | abrotman: fosters/two dogs? ;/ |
| 14:46.37 | qc | Hello there everyone |
| 14:46.40 | threat | foster :S |
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| 14:46.45 | threat | two dogs is wine! |
| 14:46.55 | tpr | nah, two dogs is lemonade |
| 14:46.59 | threat | heh |
| 14:47.10 | tpr | perhaps you should /join #beer though ;P |
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| 14:47.14 | qc | I have a question: I am using IceWM right know, but how can i get shortcuts on the screen? |
| 14:47.22 | vimp | Australians don't know shit about beer |
| 14:47.23 | SerajewelKS | i don't think i've ever been in on a sunday.. i guess i haven't missed much, besides off-topic conversations sprinkled with a little trolling |
| 14:47.36 | tpr | hehe |
| 14:47.41 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg listkeys sunday |
| 14:47.46 | dvs | SerajewelKS, you certainly haven't |
| 14:47.53 | rumpl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:47.58 | vimp | qc: I use IceWM, but don't quite understand your question |
| 14:48.09 | threat | vimp, what beer do you prepere the ? |
| 14:48.15 | dvs | vimp, he wants "shortcuts" |
| 14:48.30 | SerajewelKS | qc: afaik you can't put things on the desktop |
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| 14:48.44 | qc | Yuo know windows? You can get shortcuts on the screen, but putting things in /qc/home/desktop doesnt do anything |
| 14:48.48 | qc | oh |
| 14:49.01 | vimp | threat: I try to stay sober as long as possible, but when I drink, I prefer Negra Modelo - common is SoCal, but never seen it on East coast |
| 14:49.03 | qc | any other wm that you can? except for gnome and kde |
| 14:49.12 | abrotman | it's here |
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| 14:49.20 | SerajewelKS | qc: unlikely, but possible |
| 14:49.26 | abrotman | qc: you could ask #icewm perhaps ? |
| 14:49.32 | threat | vimp, what is that? I have never heard of it |
| 14:49.41 | abrotman | use google |
| 14:49.42 | SerajewelKS | god where are the ops |
| 14:49.46 | sylvisj | Is there a way to backup all my files? I dunno, like cp -r / (mounted separate partition)? |
| 14:49.51 | EdLin | qc: rox-filer |
| 14:49.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's sunday .. |
| 14:50.00 | Eulex | qc, you could try idesk |
| 14:50.00 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: sp -r would work, yes |
| 14:50.01 | dvs | SerajewelKS, lack of ops is another Sunday "feature" |
| 14:50.05 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: cp rather |
| 14:50.06 | vimp | threat: you'll like it, if you like becks and heineken |
| 14:50.20 | bbrazil | sylvisj: add a -x to that, and do it per filesystem |
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| 14:50.34 | drcurl | Hello |
| 14:50.40 | sylvisj | cp -rx / <blah>, what do you mean per filesystem? |
| 14:50.44 | threat | DVS :s |
| 14:50.44 | vimp | qc: edit files in .icewm/ is the short answer to all icewm config questions |
| 14:50.45 | dvs | drcurl, bonjour! |
| 14:50.49 | drcurl | I want to build a video editing box |
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| 14:50.52 | bbrazil | sylvisj: one for /, one for /home etc. |
| 14:50.55 | drcurl | dvs, bonjour ;) |
| 14:50.57 | qc | Eulex and Edlin, are those wm's low recource users, well not as ram eating as kde and gnome |
| 14:50.58 | threat | vimp, can I buy it in oz? |
| 14:51.08 | qc | I'll try it all |
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| 14:51.10 | vimp | threat: doubtful |
| 14:51.14 | EdLin | qc: rox-filer is not a wm |
| 14:51.24 | drcurl | So, I need to get cinerella, which has packages only for sid |
| 14:51.24 | Eulex | qc, idesk only provides icons on your desktop. it's not a wm. |
| 14:51.24 | qc | ok |
| 14:51.26 | dvs | drcurl, sorry, can't help you there. I use VideoWave on Windows |
| 14:51.36 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: cp -ax |
| 14:51.38 | threat | vimp, where does it originate from ? |
| 14:51.40 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: rtfm |
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| 14:51.45 | threat | I must try it! |
| 14:51.46 | vimp | threat: imported from mexico |
| 14:51.47 | drcurl | how can I install sid after a normal sarge install? |
| 14:51.58 | threat | vimp, better then corona's? |
| 14:52.04 | vimp | threat: corona sucks |
| 14:52.07 | sylvisj | bbrazil: Can't I just make an exact copy of the / dir onto another partition? I'm not quite getting this per fs thing... |
| 14:52.08 | SerajewelKS | threat, vimp: please move this to another channel or private messages |
| 14:52.11 | threat | vimp, do I mix lemon with it ? |
| 14:52.11 | dvs | drcurl, if you go to sid, you can't downgrade |
| 14:52.13 | threat | hehe |
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| 14:52.15 | fatal___ | drcurl: the basic rule is that if you don't know, you shouldn't install sid. |
| 14:52.15 | vimp | threat: no |
| 14:52.17 | EdLin | drcurl: iyhtays |
| 14:52.24 | lord_rob | drcurl: change your sources.list then apt-get install aptitude |
| 14:52.28 | bni | Transfer speed to my USB harddrives has been reduced a lot after I upgraded to 2.6.15. I rembmer reading about some change so drives gets mounted with synv by default now, anyone know how to revert back to old behavior? |
| 14:52.31 | lord_rob | aptitude will do the job |
| 14:52.37 | bni | *sync |
| 14:52.44 | SerajewelKS | lord_rob: or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:52.51 | drcurl | ok, I chage it to unstable or to sid? |
| 14:52.57 | bbrazil | sylvisj: oh yeah, you'll need -a too, and -R instead of -r, the problem is there's some things you don't want to copy - including /dev, /tmp and the backup dir itself |
| 14:53.01 | lord_rob | yes drcurl |
| 14:53.05 | EdLin | drcurl: iyhtays |
| 14:53.06 | fatal___ | drcurl: unstable==sid (forever) |
| 14:53.11 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: that's what -a does (man cp) |
| 14:53.24 | doub | bni: maybe the ehci-hcd module for 2.0 USB devices is not loaded anymore, for some reason |
| 14:53.25 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: and -r == -R |
| 14:53.25 | abrotman | bni: downgrade your kernel ? |
| 14:53.32 | threat | vimp, aawww |
| 14:53.37 | DirkGently | better to use testing |
| 14:53.41 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 14:53.41 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 14:53.41 | threat | well night! |
| 14:53.44 | bni | doub: will have a look |
| 14:53.47 | lord_rob | drcurl: it's good to have a pointer to testing (etch) alsoin case of problems |
| 14:53.49 | threat | SLEEP! NIGHT! |
| 14:53.52 | sylvisj | bbrazil: so just go dir by dir? |
| 14:53.53 | abrotman | go! |
| 14:53.58 | bni | abrotman: yes but that would suck long term |
| 14:53.59 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: -r != -R, -R copies device files, rather than the contents |
| 14:54.05 | drcurl | fatal__, I have no choice, cinelerra is very hard to build from source and debian is the only distro I know which ship kino with quicktime support |
| 14:54.09 | abrotman | bni: perhaps ask #kernel ? |
| 14:54.17 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: man cp says they're the same |
| 14:54.21 | bbrazil | sylvisj: you could do that, /etc, /var and /home should be sufficent |
| 14:54.24 | vimp | threat: remember to connect your xmms or whatever to your bitchx or whatever, so that we wouldn't get bored here |
| 14:54.32 | abrotman | drcurl: do you understand that stuff breaks in sid ? |
| 14:54.38 | abrotman | and i mean .. it can REALLY break |
| 14:54.59 | threat | vimp, I connected my XMMS to XCHAT |
| 14:55.01 | DirkGently | testing can break too.. but not anything like as often |
| 14:55.04 | sylvisj | bbrazil: Well, I know I'm gonna end up reinstalling etch soon, and dont' want to end up doing a shitload of downloads again. /var /etc and /home will copy libs, kde, etc? |
| 14:55.07 | vimp | threat: excellent |
| 14:55.09 | lord_rob | drcurl: sid is not that unstable. I've been using it for more than three years without big problems. |
| 14:55.13 | drcurl | abrotman, as long as it comes back to unbreack later, it's ok |
| 14:55.13 | threat | vimp, with my C++ class :) |
| 14:55.17 | Eulex | drcurl, and you are really sure that you need unstable? wouldn't testing do? |
| 14:55.19 | dvs | DirkGently, or as severely |
| 14:55.43 | bbrazil | sylvisj: no, only setting and data (mostly) |
| 14:55.44 | vimp | threat: even better, I hope you used some template metaprogramming for that |
| 14:55.48 | dvs | drcurl, It could break like you cannot connect to the internet |
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| 14:55.53 | DirkGently | dvs: well I've had it lose some of the command line tools (like grep).. which is fairly severe |
| 14:55.54 | abrotman | drcurl: hopefully |
| 14:55.54 | sylvisj | bbrazil: Ahh crap. |
| 14:55.58 | threat | vimp, STL!!!! |
| 14:56.01 | threat | well night! |
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| 14:56.21 | dvs | DirkGently, or k3b. :-( |
| 14:56.22 | bbrazil | sylvisj: however it will get /var/lib/dpkg/status, which lists all your installed packages |
| 14:56.38 | sylvisj | Seems that'd break things.... |
| 14:56.43 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: hmm, seems to be a recent GNUism |
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| 14:56.53 | drcurl | You guys are begining to scare me, I'll try with sarge, install kino, and try to build cinerella from source. I did it under slack but I can't find a way to build kino with quicktime under slack... |
| 14:57.04 | xirjs | i installed sarge/netinst and want to switch from grub to lilo... |
| 14:57.08 | dvs | drcurl, unstable is that scary |
| 14:57.10 | sylvisj | drcurl. If you need updated libs, go with Etch. |
| 14:57.15 | xirjs | i get : Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 14:57.16 | dvs | drcurl, those things have happened |
| 14:57.22 | xirjs | any ideas? |
| 14:57.22 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: my guess is that cp now copies devices nodes, and leaves dd/cat for copying their contents |
| 14:57.34 | sylvisj | Hmm... afk... |
| 14:57.35 | SerajewelKS | !any ideas |
| 14:57.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a handful of starving ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 14:57.49 | fatal___ | !start a distro war |
| 14:57.50 | dpkg | LFS sux0rz! |
| 14:57.53 | DirkGently | at one time I thought it was more mature than debian but now I think it is only for hackers |
| 14:58.09 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: its a change in semantics though, it is possible that someone depends on the -r behaviour, and -R is slower due to the extra stats |
| 14:58.29 | EdLin | DirkGently: it's gone downhill since patrick got sick |
| 14:58.29 | drcurl | thanks for the info abrotman |
| 14:58.31 | dvs | DirkGently, but hey, it's one of the few distros that have been around before Debian |
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| 14:58.53 | SerajewelKS | bbrazil: meh, who would copy a directory of dev nodes as their contents? |
| 14:58.55 | DirkGently | dvs: I know.. it was my first distro - version 3.0 |
| 14:59.18 | bbrazil | SerajewelKS: consider pipes |
| 14:59.24 | dvs | DirkGently, same here but I can't remember the version number (1994) |
| 14:59.26 | xirjs | what means '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure' when i run lilo? |
| 14:59.29 | DirkGently | then redhat.. a brief excursion into mdk then suse / debian |
| 14:59.41 | lightness1024 | is that possible to copy /dev ? some files are not even end-reachable are they ? |
| 14:59.46 | vimp | DirkGently: it's true, previous Debians were much better. I used to be a real Debian fanboy, advocating it at work, etc. But these days .... |
| 15:00.03 | SerajewelKS | !troll vimp |
| 15:00.10 | lord_rob | nobody knows how tu use cups to print to a printer connected to a windows xp box and shared via samba ? I can't print anymore since my father upgraded his pc form win98 to xp :@ |
| 15:00.15 | Eulex | !grub vs lilo |
| 15:00.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub vs lilo is http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LILOandGRUB |
| 15:00.41 | DirkGently | vimp: actually I think Debian has improved since 3.0 |
| 15:00.49 | Eulex | xirjs, read the link above. when you're done, think again if you still want to switch to lilo. |
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| 15:01.18 | vimp | DirkGently: I'm talking about 2.* |
| 15:01.19 | EdLin | the Sarge installer is a lot more user-friendly |
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| 15:01.55 | DirkGently | vimp: oh.. I'm a relative newcomer to Debian |
| 15:02.00 | vimp | DirkGently: and I'm talking about quality, not user-friendliness |
| 15:02.09 | callan_ | How stable is unstable really? Would it be safe enough for day to day use? |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | i disagree |
| 15:02.17 | Eulex | xirjs, especially the grub vs lilo part |
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| 15:02.22 | abrotman | callan_: can you fix your computer when it won't boot? |
| 15:02.34 | DirkGently | abrotman: lol |
| 15:02.38 | abrotman | !tell callan_ about sid faq |
| 15:02.49 | callan_ | Probably not, but I can deal with reinstalling. |
| 15:02.56 | lightness1024 | callan_: I used to work with testing ones before, I say yes it is reliable |
| 15:02.57 | callan_ | But how often does that actually happen? |
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| 15:03.08 | lord_rob | D-lined ? what's that ?? |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | ask #freenode |
| 15:03.21 | EdLin | callan_: just recently a kernel upgrade made sid unbootable |
| 15:03.25 | abrotman | callan_: depends on what you use .. |
| 15:03.31 | zinx | lord: server refuses to speak at all to the client |
| 15:03.43 | vimp | http://mirror.stanford.edu/yum/pub/centos/4.2/os/i386/CentOS/RPMS/ - all of these supported for 12 years! Unreal isn't it? |
| 15:03.48 | zinx | lord: K-lines give them a message and disconnect them |
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| 15:04.16 | zinx | vimp: .. you hate debian 3.x because it no longer supports obselete rpms? |
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| 15:04.22 | callan_ | I guess I'll stick with testing then. |
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| 15:04.36 | vimp | zinx: I don't hate debian 3.x - using it right now |
| 15:04.41 | infoB | how can i print html with CUPS? |
| 15:04.44 | theD3viL | how can i makefs vfat on floppy ? |
| 15:04.46 | lord_rob | zinx: I was wondering what was the difference between k- and d-lined, I'll ask on #freenode |
| 15:04.53 | zinx | lord: i just told you :/ |
| 15:04.57 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 |
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| 15:05.04 | zinx | lord: D-lines refuse to speak to the client at all |
| 15:05.08 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: mkfs.vfat doesnt exist |
| 15:05.13 | lightness1024 | theD3viL: read manpages lol |
| 15:05.21 | vimp | zinx: I was just suggesting that CentOS 4.2 might be a better choice than Debian Unstable, all things considered |
| 15:05.24 | abrotman | zinx: you mean "it doesn't give them a reason for thier ban" ? |
| 15:05.36 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: are you root? |
| 15:05.42 | zinx | vimp: maybe you should use CentOS, then |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | vimp: if you want to advocate stuff like that .. go to #linux |
| 15:05.46 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 15:05.46 | zebalin7 | Hi all. I'm new to Debian (etch) but not to linux. Besides this IRC what forums are most popular for Debian folks looking for answers to issues? LinuxQuestions? |
| 15:05.51 | lightness1024 | infoB: convert your html page into ps with mozilla file printing |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | !forums |
| 15:06.03 | dpkg | i heard forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 15:06.04 | zinx | abrotman: it doesn't give them anything :D |
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| 15:06.18 | vimp | zinx: reading comprehension issues? I didn't say that CentOS is better than Debian Stable for every purpose |
| 15:06.24 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: apt-get install dosfstools |
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| 15:06.37 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: tnx |
| 15:06.40 | adii | where can i find information on tuner tv ? and debian ? |
| 15:06.44 | Eulex | zebalin7, I'd say that forums aren't used much in the debian community. the irc channels and the mailing lists dominate. |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | ok .. so far .. vimp whines about support ... says debian has gone down hill . and centos is supported for 12 years |
| 15:07.01 | lord_rob | ah right thanks zinx sorry :) |
| 15:07.03 | zinx | vimp: *shrug*, it seems to me that if you think CentOS 4.2 is a better choice than Debian Unstable, then you should be using CentOS 4.2 rather than Debian Unstable; maybe I'm just a crazy old man at this point, though. |
| 15:07.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and called me a troll and whiner when i called him on it an hour ago |
| 15:07.31 | vimp | zinx: I don't use Debian Unstable and never will |
| 15:07.32 | abrotman | zinx: odd .. i thought you were an insane 12 y/o girl |
| 15:07.52 | zinx | abrotman: you said my secret was safe with you!! I'LL NEVER TRUST YOU AGAIN!!! |
| 15:07.54 | qc | how do you install .deb the right way? |
| 15:08.03 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 15:08.07 | Eulex | qc, apt-get remove it |
| 15:08.18 | abrotman | Eulex: what kind of answer is that? |
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| 15:08.26 | qc | remove what? |
| 15:08.29 | lightness1024 | qc: dpkg -i I think |
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| 15:08.31 | zinx | vimp: then I don't see why you should care which is better between the two :) |
| 15:08.35 | qc | il try it |
| 15:08.40 | Eulex | qc & abrotman, umh, sorry, I read him wrong |
| 15:08.46 | DirkGently | abrotman: the kind of answer that deserves a kick.. like saying rm -rf / |
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| 15:08.51 | zinx | vimp: maybe you should compare it to what you're currently using to make a decision on whether you should switch or not. |
| 15:08.56 | DirkGently | lol |
| 15:09.02 | abrotman | DirkGently: Eulex gets confused sometimes .. i blame his cat |
| 15:09.10 | qc | cause i downloaded gui tool for ideskt but its not availble for apt-get that |
| 15:09.12 | Eulex | lol |
| 15:09.14 | qc | thats why |
| 15:09.26 | MadClown | the distro which best suits your current and furture needs is the best choice |
| 15:09.27 | DirkGently | hehe.. the dead/not dead uncertainty? |
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| 15:09.44 | vimp | zinx: I don't owe you any comparisons |
| 15:09.55 | zinx | vimp: i'm not asking for any ;) |
| 15:10.10 | vimp | zinx: "you should compare" <- |
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| 15:10.17 | abrotman | !tell Dirk[AWAY] about away |
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| 15:10.29 | zinx | vimp: comparisons between distributions are, apart from some of the more major things, completely subjective, and only useful to the person doing the comparison |
| 15:10.44 | abrotman | crazy old man indeed |
| 15:11.00 | zinx | vimp: "... to make a decision on whether *you* should ..." |
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| 15:11.50 | zebalin7 | abrotman: thanks for the bot hit. Looks like planet is gone.... or at least temp. down. |
| 15:11.56 | Dirk[AWAY] | abrotman: just testing.. |
| 15:12.52 | abrotman | zebalin7: it is .. noone seems to know why . but there were a few others there also |
| 15:13.01 | abrotman | zebalin7: also . the mailing lists can be good |
| 15:13.03 | vimp | zinx: again with the "should" ; I say what I want when I want. If you don't like it, you can go to one of those Muslim countries |
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| 15:13.57 | pyromatrx | what's the difference between pn and un in a dpkg listing? |
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| 15:14.11 | SerajewelKS | pyromatrx: pn = purged, un = removed |
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| 15:15.08 | zinx | vimp: I can help you with techniques for making an informed decision about what software is best for you, and I was under the impression that's what you wanted; if it's not, then I apologize, and I do not know what you're wanting from #debian, so I will be of little help. |
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| 15:15.21 | pyromatrx | Sera: say if I had installed xserver-xfree86, and I want to remove it completely, including its dependencies that were installed with it, how should I go about it? |
| 15:15.32 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: what are you using stable / testing / sid ? |
| 15:16.05 | SerajewelKS | pyromatrx: you'd remove/purge xserver-xfree86, then look at its dependencies ad remove them |
| 15:16.08 | SerajewelKS | a/sd/and/ |
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| 15:16.09 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: testing |
| 15:16.13 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 15:16.22 | jeffrin | please i need help |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | pyromatrx: if you use aptitude . it's supposed to do that for you .. otherwise .. look to deborphan to help clean up |
| 15:16.24 | SerajewelKS | !ask |
| 15:16.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:16.27 | SerajewelKS | jeffrin: ^^^ |
| 15:16.44 | pyromatrx | abrotman: so apt-get or dpkg wouldn't do that? |
| 15:16.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: HELP .. i got a dirty RPM on my system! |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | pyromatrx: not automagically .. |
| 15:17.01 | pyromatrx | abrotman: thank you |
| 15:17.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: you'd better rm -rf / |
| 15:17.05 | abrotman | !tell pyromatrx about deborphan |
| 15:17.14 | jeffrin | i want to co nnect my laptop to net using GPRS samsung sgh-c100 |
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| 15:17.25 | abrotman | jeffrin: on debian? |
| 15:17.33 | nanok | hello |
| 15:17.39 | jeffrin | on debian |
| 15:17.41 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: is there many conflicts? |
| 15:17.50 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: conflicts? |
| 15:18.03 | jeffrin | i downloaded and trying to use GPRS easy connect |
| 15:18.13 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: like in unstable. |
| 15:18.14 | xirjs | i installed lilo in a new sarge/netinstall installation, when i run lilo it says: |
| 15:18.17 | xirjs | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 15:18.20 | xirjs | Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary: /dev/hda1 |
| 15:18.22 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: right now it seems ok |
| 15:18.23 | xirjs | any ideas? |
| 15:18.30 | fhffhqvb | !any ideas |
| 15:18.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 42 three-legged platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:18.35 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: but, there are. |
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| 15:18.49 | jeffrin | connectivity from laptop to phone through IR is established |
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| 15:18.56 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: what? |
| 15:19.02 | nanok | xirjs: prolly ok. try and see if it is, ask yourself later if it's not |
| 15:19.17 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: conflict, or some things which dont work? |
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| 15:19.27 | xirjs | nanok: ? |
| 15:19.36 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: some packages aren't in testing yet, but other than that, no |
| 15:20.10 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: so why then name testing? |
| 15:20.32 | nanok | xirjs: what is the problem, really? does lilo fail to install? |
| 15:20.38 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: because it's not stable nor unstable? |
| 15:20.53 | xirjs | i just wanted to know ... what the warnings mean ... ? |
| 15:21.26 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: hm...and why its not stable if everything works? |
| 15:22.01 | nanok | xirjs: try google, imho, but if you just want it to work, you shouldnt give it a second thought, just see if it boots |
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| 15:22.36 | DirkGently | xirjs: or try grub |
| 15:22.37 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: because stable is the last release. testing is not. |
| 15:22.41 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 15:22.48 | MrHart | can someone give some help to install the linux driver for mx518 mouse? |
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| 15:23.24 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: only thats why name testing?? |
| 15:23.32 | Ireul | please could anyone help me with doom3: when I start it, vertical video frequency is > 100Hz... |
| 15:23.34 | ringo999 | hi there. |
| 15:23.36 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: but unstable is realy unstable right? |
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| 15:23.53 | abrotman | Ireul: that's pretty cut and dry .. lower your refresh ? |
| 15:23.54 | ringo999 | i cant start x anymore, wont find mouse... mouse used to be on /dev/input/mice |
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| 15:24.08 | Ireul | abrotman: how? |
| 15:24.08 | ringo999 | can anyone helpe please? |
| 15:24.14 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: what are you trying to ask? |
| 15:24.18 | abrotman | !drxx Ireul |
| 15:24.18 | dpkg | Ireul: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:24.20 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I'm surprised the bot does not list http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/forumdisplay.php?f=26 |
| 15:24.26 | Ireul | abrotman: it's doom3 problem, my X session runs at 75Hz |
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| 15:24.31 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: it's called testing because it's going to be the next release eventually. what more do you want? |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | zebalin7: we're not big fans of that site :) |
| 15:24.41 | Ireul | abrotman: it's doom3 problem, my X session runs at 75Hz |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | Ireul: then ask the people that you bought doom from ? |
| 15:24.51 | zebalin7 | abrotman: really? is there some history on that I can see? Curious. |
| 15:25.12 | Ireul | abrotman: :( |
| 15:25.13 | abrotman | zebalin7: nope .. not really |
| 15:25.17 | theD3viL | SerajewelKS: i thougt testing and unstable have many file conflicts and things which dont work, thats why names like that. |
| 15:25.41 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I've never seen anything 'anti-debian' on LQ. I've met the 'owner' of the site. Very nice man. |
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| 15:25.50 | SerajewelKS | theD3viL: they do. testing has less than unstable. |
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| 15:26.01 | abrotman | zebalin7: i thikn it's more the quality of the advice/questions/helpers |
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| 15:26.23 | zebalin7 | abrotman: ok, makes sense. thanks. |
| 15:26.39 | abrotman | zebalin7: i mean . use what you want .. and where you get good help .. |
| 15:26.52 | xirjs | nanok: so you don't know about this warnings .. .right? |
| 15:27.13 | ringo999 | how can i find out which device my mouse is using? |
| 15:27.29 | ringo999 | it used to be /dev/input/mice...now its not working anymore |
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| 15:27.41 | ringo999 | so i cant start x |
| 15:27.44 | Eulex | xirjs, why not use grub? |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | ringo999: modprobe mousedev |
| 15:28.00 | qc | Hello, who uses idesk? |
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| 15:28.13 | SerajewelKS | !tell qc about ask |
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| 15:28.30 | abrotman | i don't think idesk is in debian ? |
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| 15:28.39 | abrotman | oh .. i lied |
| 15:28.54 | ringo999 | abrotman: i get -> mice : PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 15:28.59 | qc | Does anyone know how to reposition the shorcuts on the desktop and yes i have rtfm! |
| 15:29.07 | ringo999 | abrotman: my mouse it hooked up via usb |
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| 15:29.51 | qc | anyone? |
| 15:29.57 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 15:29.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:29.58 | abrotman | ringo999: ok .. but does /dev/input/mice exist ? |
| 15:30.30 | Eulex | qc, change X: and Y: in the .lnk files |
| 15:30.35 | ringo999 | abrotman: man, thats the thing, not anymore. and i dont know why, how could this happen? |
| 15:30.41 | Genfoo | really quick question: what packages do I need to install the "make-kpkg" script ? |
| 15:30.44 | qc | I'll try that |
| 15:30.45 | abrotman | ringo999: i meant after you loaded the module |
| 15:30.48 | Genfoo | I tried apt-get install make-kpkg |
| 15:30.58 | SerajewelKS | !find /make-kpkg |
| 15:31.04 | ringo999 | abrotman: no, its not there, i just checked |
| 15:31.06 | Eulex | !tel Genfoo about search |
| 15:31.11 | Eulex | !tell Genfoo about search |
| 15:31.19 | abrotman | ringo999: then it would be /dev/psaux .. but it should be /dev/input/mice |
| 15:31.21 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 15:31.21 | dpkg | i guess usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 15:31.25 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:31.26 | Genfoo | ty :) |
| 15:31.27 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 15:31.27 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 15:31.36 | abrotman | god .. we need to update those |
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| 15:31.52 | Eulex | Genfoo, especially take a look at apt-file. it will be very useful when you want to know in which package a file is in. |
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| 15:32.08 | Genfoo | ok thanks |
| 15:32.26 | ringo999 | abrotman: i dont have /dev/psaux either |
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| 15:32.46 | abrotman | ringo999: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 15:32.48 | Eulex | Genfoo, make-kpkg is in kernel-package, btw |
| 15:33.00 | Dudev|1727 | i'm running gnome on debian, and all the options i'm getting for screen resolutions are 640x480 at 60hz |
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| 15:33.13 | SerajewelKS | !drxx Dudev|1727 |
| 15:33.13 | dpkg | Dudev|1727: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:33.20 | Dudev|1727 | yhanks |
| 15:33.26 | Dudev|1727 | thanks |
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| 15:33.43 | Oo_ | hi |
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| 15:34.06 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 15:34.06 | dpkg | somebody said hwinfo was your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 15:34.11 | Oo_ | anyone know where i can get a rescue disk plz ? |
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| 15:34.18 | ringo999 | abrotman: same output as when i loaded the mod |
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| 15:34.29 | SerajewelKS | Oo_: what are you rescuing |
| 15:34.37 | Oo_ | my root login xD |
| 15:34.39 | arjan_vs | hello |
| 15:34.39 | amee2k | is there a howto or something for setting up DSL over PPPoE? |
| 15:34.50 | ringo999 | abrotman: i think its a hotplugin problem |
| 15:34.59 | SerajewelKS | Oo_: the installer cd should work |
| 15:35.01 | Oo_ | i need to restore my root interpreter :/ |
| 15:35.02 | abrotman | ringo999: what version of debian ? |
| 15:35.04 | ringo999 | before i rebooted there was a statement of a broken package |
| 15:35.19 | ringo999 | 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | version of debian |
| 15:35.29 | arjan_vs | may I break in, about ipw2200 problem |
| 15:35.35 | ringo999 | abrotman: how do i get that? |
| 15:35.40 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 15:35.40 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | !version |
| 15:35.42 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:35.46 | callan_ | Is there some sort of article I can read on acpi and acpid for Debian? |
| 15:36.00 | Oo_ | i got netinst ISO only , how can i access my root on /dev/hda so ? |
| 15:36.10 | tgwj | amee2k /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian ? |
| 15:36.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/make-kpkg' (1): (/usr/bin/make-kpkg) in misc/kernel-package. |
| 15:36.16 | ringo999 | abrotman: testing/unstable |
| 15:36.21 | SerajewelKS | Oo_: switch to a VT during the install |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | ringo999: so the broken package was udev ? |
| 15:36.34 | SerajewelKS | Oo_: or boot in rescue mode, use the F keys on the bootloader prompt to see options |
| 15:36.46 | ringo999 | abrotman: yeah, i think so, quite sure it was something with that |
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| 15:36.52 | arjan_vs | the problem is that i cannont use channel 13 or 12, but in monitoring mode it is able to see my AP on channel 13 |
| 15:36.54 | susp | do you guys know how i access the courier webadmin page? |
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| 15:36.55 | abrotman | ringo999: you're running gnome ? |
| 15:36.55 | Oo_ | it seems my ISO havent any rescue mode |
| 15:36.56 | Eulex | ringo999, dpkg -l libc6|tail -1? |
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| 15:37.06 | ringo999 | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:37.14 | SerajewelKS | Oo_: the boot it normally and switch to a VT |
| 15:37.15 | abrotman | ringo999: you were doing a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 15:37.27 | Oo_ | and then , i'll got a shell ? |
| 15:37.27 | SerajewelKS | Oo_: mount your current system, chroot, and passwd |
| 15:37.28 | ringo999 | abrotman: yeah, think so |
| 15:37.39 | Oo_ | okay thx much |
| 15:37.40 | abrotman | ringo999: what's your CPU ? |
| 15:38.21 | abrotman | !lart support lists that don't take support questions from unsubscribed people |
| 15:38.29 | susp | SerajewelKS: you recommended courier. How does one connect to the so-called 'webadmin' page? |
| 15:38.37 | abrotman | ringo999: do you have a CPU ? |
| 15:38.39 | ringo999 | abrotman: AMD thunderbird 1ghz |
| 15:38.41 | SerajewelKS | susp: dunno, i don't use webmin |
| 15:38.53 | abrotman | ringo999: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 15:38.57 | susp | are the only two important config files the two in /etc/courier/ |
| 15:38.59 | ringo999 | k |
| 15:39.00 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
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| 15:39.05 | abrotman | ringo999: after that installs .. finish your dist-upgrade |
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| 15:39.07 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 15:39.12 | SerajewelKS | susp: in general yeh |
| 15:39.18 | ringo999 | abrotman: k thx |
| 15:39.31 | Daveman | Hi :) |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | ringo999: it may not fix your mouse just yet . but at least your dist-upgrade will be finished |
| 15:39.36 | susp | SerajewelKS: it's not authing me when i try and do a send/receive .. is there a 'userlist' i have to enable certain users for or something like that? |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | ringo999: are you going to testing or unstable ? |
| 15:40.11 | SerajewelKS | susp: google for 'debian isp postfix' for a nice tutorial |
| 15:40.18 | susp | thanks! |
| 15:40.23 | abrotman | did they fix the yaird crap yet? |
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| 15:41.53 | ringo999 | abrotman: unstable |
| 15:42.23 | ringo999 | abrotman: i cant apt-install: udev - depends - hotpluing |
| 15:42.32 | ringo999 | s/hotpluing/hotplugin |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | ringo999: installing udev will remove hotplug |
| 15:42.46 | abrotman | udev "replaces" hotplug |
| 15:42.56 | ringo999 | abrotman: so what do i do? |
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| 15:43.12 | tgwj | install udev ? |
| 15:43.15 | abrotman | install udev .. install that kernel .. say a little prayer :) |
| 15:43.19 | EdLin | ringo999: barf at the latest userspace hardware utility |
| 15:43.37 | tgwj | you *could* skip the prayer .... |
| 15:44.16 | ringo999 | abrotman: udev wont install either |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | why not? |
| 15:45.15 | abrotman | ringo999: why not? |
| 15:45.21 | ringo999 | errors while process /var/cache/apt/archives/udev...deb |
| 15:45.30 | abrotman | yeah . what's the error ? |
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| 15:45.38 | nanok | ringo999: _what_ error |
| 15:45.43 | ringo999 | subprocess preinstallation script returned error |
| 15:45.48 | ringo999 | nanok yeahyeah |
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| 15:46.08 | nanok | well, why didnt you say so? |
| 15:46.09 | nanok | :P |
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| 15:46.15 | ringo999 | abrotman: it doesnt give an exact error code |
| 15:46.23 | abrotman | it doesn't? |
| 15:46.28 | ringo999 | no |
| 15:46.29 | abrotman | ringo999: uname -r .. what kernel are you on ? |
| 15:46.48 | TBBle | If ringo999 is running 2.6.8 then udev from unstable will refuse to install as it's too old. You need to upgrade the kernel first. If ringo999 _has_ udev from stable installed, easiest thing is to remove it, upgrade the kernel, and add it again. And also purge hotplug once you're on a recent udev. |
| 15:47.08 | abrotman | TBBle: that's what i'm getting to :) |
| 15:47.29 | ringo999 | so what do i do first? |
| 15:47.35 | ringo999 | and _how_ |
| 15:47.39 | ringo999 | ;D |
| 15:47.51 | tgwj | check what kernel you are on: uname -r |
| 15:48.10 | ringo999 | 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:48.19 | abrotman | ringo999: did you install that kernel i suggested you install ? |
| 15:48.22 | ringo999 | -368 |
| 15:48.27 | ringo999 | abrotman: i cant |
| 15:48.33 | abrotman | ringo999: why not? |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | oh .. it whines about udev |
| 15:48.41 | ringo999 | right |
| 15:48.43 | tgwj | check if udev is installed - dpkg -l | grep udev |
| 15:48.56 | TBBle | abrotman: I just thought you'd missed that ringo999 actually listed the kernel version earlier in the piece, according to lastlog. ^_^ |
| 15:49.02 | js_ | tgwj: "dpkg -l udev" is enough |
| 15:49.13 | tgwj | cool i'll remember that |
| 15:49.13 | ringo999 | tgwj: it is |
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| 15:49.40 | ringo999 | so whats next |
| 15:49.44 | tgwj | then remove udev for the time being - dpkg -r udev |
| 15:49.46 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7_2.6.15-4_i386.deb |
| 15:50.05 | abrotman | TBBle: he never said he couldn't install the newer one |
| 15:50.11 | ringo999 | i mean, i could just as well install everything from scratch, as there is nothing on the machine, if this is going to be a big huzzle |
| 15:50.11 | tgwj | when you've done that, install a more recont kernel |
| 15:50.27 | tgwj | rubbish ringo999 |
| 15:50.52 | ringo999 | tgwj: k |
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| 15:51.30 | TBBle | abrotman: Meh. I just scrolled back through lastlog looking for "2.6". ^_^ |
| 15:51.36 | abrotman | good plan |
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| 15:55.39 | tgwj | installing debian sid amd64 from an etch d-i snapshop is proving tricky ;D |
| 15:56.09 | abrotman | did you use the pure64 installer |
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| 15:57.31 | tgwj | what's that ? I got a etch d-i buisinesscard image - and I think I've got it set up for the reboot now... |
| 15:58.01 | tgwj | last try it didn't install the kernel - now I installed it by hand |
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| 15:58.10 | qc | hello, i have a problem, i can't get the sound to work, i tried installing alsa but it cant find any cards, plz help me, im on a laptop from compaq |
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| 15:58.23 | Eulex | qc, what sound card? |
| 15:58.28 | tgwj | I had to manually purge hotplug probably since it was an etch image |
| 15:58.39 | abrotman | tgwj: i meant .. did you use the amd64 or i386 ? |
| 15:58.40 | qc | i dont know exactly cause its builtin its a laptop |
| 15:58.43 | ringo999 | abrotman: well, i cant install another kernel, even after removing theve udev |
| 15:58.49 | abrotman | qc: how old ? |
| 15:58.52 | darkcoder | Kard3l3n.G3n. T R Sohbet, Kalite, Güven, Arkadaþlýðýn Tek Adresi!.. h t t p : / /w w w .kard3l3n.g3n.tr & !RC.Kard3l3n.G3n.TR |
| 15:58.53 | qc | is there anyway i can check with a progrAM? |
| 15:58.54 | tgwj | amd64 |
| 15:59.00 | abrotman | ringo999: any errors ? |
| 15:59.06 | abrotman | darkcoder: go away |
| 15:59.11 | qc | UMM ITS 233 MHZ AROUND THAT |
| 15:59.19 | abrotman | qc: it's probably isa |
| 15:59.19 | Hobart | when updating a chrooted install with a new kernel-image, how do I stop the apt-get update from wanting to run lilo / grub ? |
| 15:59.31 | qc | how do i get that to work? |
| 15:59.32 | abrotman | Hobart: are you a dish washer ? |
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| 15:59.44 | Eulex | qc, lspci. |
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| 16:00.21 | qc | there isnt a sound card in that |
| 16:00.22 | abrotman | i got money it's isa! |
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| 16:00.26 | tgwj | Hobart what about not mounting /dev in the chroot ? |
| 16:00.39 | qc | i see a isa |
| 16:00.45 | tgwj | emptzing it/ removiing the hard disks whatever |
| 16:01.04 | ringo999 | abrotman: initramfs depends on udev |
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| 16:01.36 | ringo999 | hi strider_ |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | ringo999: is the kernel downloaded even ? |
| 16:01.45 | Hobart | tgwj -> Hmm, will try it |
| 16:01.45 | ringo999 | no |
| 16:02.02 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7_2.6.15-4_i386.deb |
| 16:02.07 | qc | isa bridge : compaq computer blabla |
| 16:02.19 | strider_ | hi there ringo999 :) |
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| 16:02.33 | ringo999 | abrotman: wouldnt it really be better to install from scratch? |
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| 16:02.38 | sinizzl | hello |
| 16:02.49 | Eulex | qc, you may need to run update-pciids |
| 16:02.58 | qc | ok il try |
| 16:03.00 | ringo999 | abrotman: im using irssi...how can i copy a link from with the chat to the shell= |
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| 16:03.08 | abrotman | ringo999: you can .. might be easier to use the etch netinst |
| 16:03.21 | ringo999 | abrotman: etch netinst? |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | ringo999: i was about to say .. with your mouse :) |
| 16:03.26 | qc | done |
| 16:03.31 | qc | what now? |
| 16:03.31 | abrotman | ringo999: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:03.32 | ringo999 | abrotman: :D |
| 16:03.45 | strider_ | ringo999: reinstalling? |
| 16:03.50 | Eulex | qc, ah, sorry, it's probably an isa card then... install pnpbios-tools and run lspnp |
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| 16:03.55 | ringo999 | strider_: right. something got really messed up. |
| 16:04.07 | strider_ | ringo999: etch then? |
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| 16:04.24 | ringo999 | strider_: when i booted this morning my userdirecty in my home was gone! |
| 16:04.26 | jazbo | Hey folks, I'm trying to install a package from source by using `apt-get source --compile amarok` but it doesn't |
| 16:04.36 | ceeto | Hi all. I'm trying to install a perl based webmail client and my browser keeps trying to download the '.pl' files which tells me apache isn't pre-processing .pl files, can one of you help me? |
| 16:04.39 | jazbo | grab all of the dependencies and so gives an error |
| 16:05.01 | ringo999 | strider_: the problem i have now, trying to boot from cd, it doesnt work, the grub comes up first |
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| 16:05.10 | ringo999 | strider_: i really have no luck these days |
| 16:05.42 | ringo999 | strider_: well. i need to turn of the pc now. i need a break. |
| 16:05.46 | abrotman | ceeto: ask #apache .. your apache is misconfigured |
| 16:05.48 | jazbo | What's the proper command to grab sources (and dependencies) for a package and compile and intall? |
| 16:05.49 | strider_ | ringo999: maybe a problem with the cd? try the netinstall if you haven't checked the bios already |
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| 16:06.01 | strider_ | ringo999: alright. cheers :) |
| 16:06.13 | ringo999 | strider_: this is netinstall, just booting the basic stuff from cd |
| 16:06.16 | ceeto | anyone? |
| 16:06.20 | abrotman | ceeto: ask #apache .. your apache is misconfigured |
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| 16:06.28 | ringo999 | abrotman: thx for the support |
| 16:06.30 | ringo999 | thx @ all |
| 16:06.33 | ringo999 | ;) |
| 16:06.38 | abrotman | ringo999: sorry udev is a big pile of poopie |
| 16:06.50 | ringo999 | abrotman: very big pile! |
| 16:07.01 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:07.42 | Oryn | abrotman: yes I'm having troubles with udev |
| 16:08.00 | abrotman | Oryn: ? |
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| 16:08.31 | Oryn | abrotman: udev and hdparm dont play nicely |
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| 16:08.38 | abrotman | i'm shocked! |
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| 16:08.47 | Oryn | really? |
| 16:08.54 | abrotman | no |
| 16:08.59 | Oryn | lol |
| 16:09.10 | qc | ok there isnt any pnp-bios-tools |
| 16:09.16 | abrotman | Oryn: we need a more descriptive error/problem |
| 16:09.39 | F0xy` | hey, im running debian with the 2.6 kernel, and for some reason my SSH sessions are hanging in the processes as in not exiting when i exit them and i cant kill them with anything no matter what i try. does anyone have any ideas on how i can get rid of them? |
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| 16:10.31 | qc | where can i find pnpbios-tools? |
| 16:11.31 | streuner | !tell qc about search |
| 16:11.53 | Oryn | abrotman: well, seeing as you asked, this is what happens: if I have anything set in /etc/hdparm.conf (like hdparm -c3 -d1 -X66 /dev/hda) I get massive fs errors in my syslog / dmesg. If I revert back to hotplug, everything runs sweetly again |
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| 16:12.19 | Eulex | qc, it seems like it was in pcmcia-cs in stable. you can also check out the tools in isapnptools. |
| 16:12.20 | qc | I already tried that |
| 16:12.51 | qc | i dled it |
| 16:13.13 | qc | but isapnptools doesnt do anything |
| 16:13.27 | Eulex | qc, did pnpdump find anything? |
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| 16:14.00 | pyromatrx | is there a need to include USB modules in the 2.6.8 kernel or is it already included? |
| 16:14.04 | Eulex | qc, anyway, get pcmcia-cs and run lspnp. that should list many early pnp-cards |
| 16:14.17 | abrotman | pyromatrx: already there |
| 16:14.20 | Eulex | pyromatrx, already included in the debian stock 2.6.8 kernel |
| 16:14.33 | qc | no boards found |
| 16:14.36 | abrotman | Oryn: i don't know mcuh about hdparm .. have you checked the bts ? |
| 16:14.37 | abrotman | !bts |
| 16:14.37 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 16:14.37 | streuner | pyromatrx: in official kernels, of course |
| 16:14.41 | pyromatrx | so, what must I do to configure my USB mouse? |
| 16:14.44 | Eulex | qc, ok, then try lspnp. |
| 16:14.51 | streuner | pyromatrx: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 16:15.06 | streuner | pyromatrx: that factoid is written for users without using udev... |
| 16:15.48 | pyromatrx | !udev |
| 16:15.48 | dpkg | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
| 16:15.52 | qc | /proc/bus/pnp not avaible |
| 16:16.07 | streuner | pyromatrx: dpkg -l udev |
| 16:16.37 | Oryn | abrotman: I have other strange problems too, I have a box here that has an external usb nic and an internal one. With udev installed I take pot luck as to which one is eth0 and which one is eth1. Its wonderfully random :P |
| 16:16.45 | Eulex | qc, hmm. what kernel are you running? |
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| 16:16.55 | qc | i think the latest |
| 16:17.03 | Eulex | qc, uname -r |
| 16:17.03 | qc | i dled the netiso ysterdayy |
| 16:17.20 | qc | 2.4.27.2-386 |
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| 16:17.30 | Yaohua2000 | hi all, how can I change system default encodings? it is now "POSIX", i wanna change it to "UTF-8", what file in /etc should I modify? |
| 16:17.40 | EdLin | I've followed the instructions in the /topic factoid, the instructions in the wiki, and installed the debian apt keyring. All of which to no avail, I get a warning about unsigned packages from apt-get for everything... |
| 16:17.59 | Eulex | qc, oh, a 2.4 kernel -- have you installed the alsa modules? |
| 16:18.02 | jazbo | Does anyone know of a good guide to backporting packages from unstable to stable? I'm not finding the debian guide very helpful: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 16:18.09 | qc | i installed alsa |
| 16:18.13 | qc | used alsaconf |
| 16:18.15 | Eulex | !easy sid backport |
| 16:18.15 | qc | nothing |
| 16:18.15 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 16:18.32 | Eulex | qc, well, you need to install the alsa modules separately for 2.4 kernels |
| 16:18.43 | qc | how do i do that? |
| 16:19.01 | Eulex | qc, you install for example alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:19.09 | qc | ok ill try it |
| 16:19.19 | Eulex | install -386 if you've got a 386 kernel, -686 if you've got a 686 kernel etc |
| 16:19.33 | Oryn | anyone have experiances with linux and firewire (video in particular) good / bad indifferent etc... ? |
| 16:20.39 | tgwj | i had no probs with firewire/cam/linux |
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| 16:21.10 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 16:21.11 | jeffrin | please |
| 16:21.14 | jeffrin | help me |
| 16:21.32 | qc | !tell jeffrin about enter |
| 16:21.40 | EdLin | !tell jeffrin -about enter |
| 16:21.42 | jeffrin | has anyone used GPRS easy connect program in debian |
| 16:21.51 | qc | nope |
| 16:22.08 | tgwj | !tell jeffrin about polls |
| 16:22.27 | EdLin | !anyone use GPRS? |
| 16:22.27 | dpkg | No, no one uses GPRS, not even the people who use it. |
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| 16:22.57 | qc | man gprs program |
| 16:23.08 | randomity | how do I prevent my machine from sending out AAAA lookups all the time? |
| 16:23.09 | Yaohua2000 | EdLin, I used GPRS in the past. |
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| 16:23.15 | randomity | they take 20 seconds to timeout |
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| 16:23.28 | doub | why do so much people want debian to be easy? it's just powerful, and power is not easy to use |
| 16:23.43 | qc | it is easy though |
| 16:23.49 | EdLin | Yaohua2000: dpkg says you haven't... Maybe you can answer his question, if he finally asks one. |
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| 16:23.58 | qc | no other distro is as easy as apt-get |
| 16:24.06 | resiak | apt-gt isn't a distro |
| 16:24.08 | resiak | HTH HAND |
| 16:24.16 | ch_ | I'm looking for something that can tell me the current weather, and maybe show the weather forecast on my desktop. any suggestions? |
| 16:24.23 | MrP | Hello. I was upgrading my distro last night and when I got up this morning, I came to an error message saying that apt exited with error status 1. How can I fix this? I tried running upgrade-distro again, but it didn't do anything |
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| 16:24.39 | EdLin | !beer resiak |
| 16:24.41 | qc | ch_ apt-cache search weahter |
| 16:24.47 | Yaohua2000 | Edlin, what question? |
| 16:24.48 | fatal___ | ch_: gdesklets, gkrellm ... |
| 16:25.02 | doub | qc: easy is a matter of taste. using rpm isn't easy to me, yet many people see rpm based distros as easier. go figure |
| 16:25.15 | EdLin | Yaohua2000: the one jeffrin isn't asking |
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| 16:25.33 | Yaohua2000 | How can I change system default encodings? it is now "POSIX", i wanna change it to "UTF-8", what file in /etc should I modify? |
| 16:25.36 | opnsrc | How do I add shortcut keys to debian |
| 16:25.48 | opnsrc | IE: I want ctrl+alt+del to open up gnome-system-monitor |
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| 16:26.05 | resiak | opnsrc: Do you use Gnome? |
| 16:26.06 | EdLin | ch_: if you use GNOME it has a weather applet, if you use firefox it has a weather report extention. Others no doubt exist. |
| 16:26.10 | fatal___ | Yaohua2000: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:26.10 | opnsrc | Nautilus |
| 16:26.14 | ringo999 | strider_ & abrotman: im back |
| 16:26.18 | tgwj | POSIX is no encoding, though it may be a locale. is that what you mean ? |
| 16:26.19 | resiak | opnsrc: Do you use Gnome? |
| 16:26.30 | opnsrc | It's Gnome Nautilus |
| 16:26.30 | ringo999 | strider_: i installed the base. now its time to choose the packeges to install. |
| 16:26.34 | opnsrc | Isn't that Gnome? |
| 16:26.42 | resiak | opnsrc: Nautilus is a Gnome program |
| 16:26.43 | ringo999 | strider_: should i use aptitude? |
| 16:26.48 | Yaohua2000 | tgwj, the command locale said LC_xxx = "POSIX" |
| 16:26.49 | MrP | Anyone have any idea how to fix this? I was able to boot back up via the old kernel's recovery mode, so I can get at the system |
| 16:26.55 | resiak | opnsrc: Desktop > Preferences > Keyboard shortcuts |
| 16:27.00 | qc | try apt-get aptitude and synaptic |
| 16:27.01 | ringo999 | strider_: i want to install gnome with the basic stuff, how do i do that? |
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| 16:27.10 | strider_ | ringo999: not necessary. are you planing to stay with etch or go to sid |
| 16:27.13 | resiak | !show gnome-base |
| 16:27.13 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 16:27.21 | opnsrc | Well when I login I think it says Nautilus as the Gui |
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| 16:27.24 | resiak | !info gnome-base |
| 16:27.24 | opnsrc | let me see |
| 16:27.41 | resiak | opnsrc: It says that it's starting nautilus, because nautilus handles the desktop icons |
| 16:27.42 | fatal___ | opnsrc: ctrl-alt-del is attached in /etc/inittab AFAIK... it's an emergency-trap... removing/reconfiguring it probably isn't a good idea... |
| 16:27.42 | tgwj | Yaohua2000 dpkg-reconfigure locales to check what locales are installed |
| 16:27.50 | resiak | fatal___: X traps it |
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| 16:28.01 | fatal___ | ok. |
| 16:28.07 | tgwj | then set the environment variables you want to change in /etc/environment |
| 16:28.15 | opnsrc | yeah it's Gnome |
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| 16:28.36 | opnsrc | Well ctrl+alt+del does nothing on this system |
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| 16:28.43 | opnsrc | Well at least as non root |
| 16:28.46 | opnsrc | so I want to make it do something |
| 16:28.47 | ringo999 | strider_: what is etch/sid? |
| 16:28.53 | Yaohua2000 | tgwj, o..., thank you. |
| 16:28.55 | opnsrc | It works for KDE but not Gnome |
| 16:29.07 | ringo999 | strider_: also i installed 2.4 kernel for now |
| 16:29.10 | iciclebox | what should I do if the KDE Configuration Screen pops up and my mouse is not working? I can only use the keys on my numpad to move around, but I can't depress the button. If I press Enter, the screen resolution changes |
| 16:29.15 | strider_ | ringo999: testing/unstable |
| 16:29.24 | opnsrc | How do I fix it to load whatever it should load? |
| 16:29.28 | ringo999 | strider_: unstable i would say, right? |
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| 16:29.57 | ringo999 | strider_: when i start aptitude, it preselects stuff already (like 700MB) why is that? how can i get rid of that? |
| 16:30.31 | diepes | hi, i am trying to create a bootable flash disk using initramfs, my problem is that it seems the pivot at the end needs a root device. I am using unionfs to create the /root any suggestions as to the root device ? what must i put in fstab ? |
| 16:30.39 | qc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.41 | opnsrc | nope, not as root either. ctrl+alt+del does nothing under Gnome |
| 16:30.41 | doub | iciclebox: you can try and use the keyboard mouse (ctrl-shift-numlock). move around with arrow keys, click with 5 |
| 16:30.49 | qc | as part of its setup |
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| 16:31.11 | strider_ | ringo999: first of all have you installed the base syatem off the sarge (stable) cd or the net install? |
| 16:31.32 | ringo999 | strider_: of cd...i have this 180 MB mini thingy |
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| 16:31.46 | qc | netsinstall it is |
| 16:31.54 | ringo999 | strider_: but the rest would go over the net... |
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| 16:32.02 | strider_ | ringo999:and you chose the 2.4 kernel? |
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| 16:32.29 | ringo999 | it automatically chooses 2.4...for 2.6 you have to boot with linux26 |
| 16:32.57 | opnsrc | ok, according to /etc/inittab it says that when ctrl+alt+del is pressed it will "ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now" |
| 16:32.57 | qc | is it good when probing is taking THIS LONG? |
| 16:32.59 | strider_ | ringo999: i would recommend testing over unstable for you |
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| 16:33.16 | ringo999 | strider_: what is actually the difference? testing is more secure? |
| 16:33.23 | tgwj | which kernel versions changed the location of SATA disks |
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| 16:33.41 | ringo999 | strider_: so i edit my sources.list.. |
| 16:33.49 | opnsrc | Is it that Gnome is somehow disabling ctrl+alt+del? |
| 16:33.50 | strider_ | ringo999: run apt-setup |
| 16:33.56 | MiggyB | hello, im trying to install debian on a mac, and it goes through the install, but when it reboots, it hangs on ip1394. is there any way to disable this? |
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| 16:33.59 | abrotman | Oryn: ifrename |
| 16:34.00 | tgwj | sda <-> hde etc |
| 16:34.04 | ringo999 | strider_: and then, should i update the kernel first, to 2.6.8-15 k7? |
| 16:34.29 | Oryn | abrotman: yes, thats installed |
| 16:34.38 | strider_ | ringo999: then, do a dist-upgrade and yes upgrade your kernel as well |
| 16:34.56 | abrotman | Oryn: that's how you do it |
| 16:35.04 | strider_ | ringo999: oh wait, you already are on testing. forget the dist-upgrade then |
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| 16:35.25 | ringo999 | ok strider_ ok kernel update |
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| 16:35.43 | Oryn | abrotman: but wouldn't it just be better if devices were reconised in the same order every boot? |
| 16:35.56 | abrotman | Oryn: yep .. it would be |
| 16:35.57 | strider_ | ringo999: to install X use apt-get install x-window-system |
| 16:36.10 | strider_ | !tell ringo999 about install gnome |
| 16:36.36 | strider_ | ringo999: choose your pick then |
| 16:36.37 | Oryn | abrotman: I fixed the problem by adding the modules to /etc/modules so they allways get loaded in the same order. |
| 16:37.00 | Oryn | abrotman: had to blacklist them first though |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | Oryn: that's a crummy solution :) |
| 16:38.14 | Oryn | abrotman: works though :P |
| 16:38.19 | MiggyB | could someone please help me? |
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| 16:38.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: linux runs on crummy solutions =P |
| 16:38.33 | abrotman | like x86 |
| 16:38.39 | abrotman | MiggyB: did you ask ? |
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| 16:38.46 | Oryn | MiggyB: you might want to try #debianppc |
| 16:39.00 | MiggyB | its absolutely silent |
| 16:39.06 | abrotman | MiggyB: wait a bit |
| 16:39.15 | MiggyB | heh... i suppose. |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | MiggyB: the quick solution is to stop trying to use firewire as a network device |
| 16:39.40 | MiggyB | how do you do that? |
| 16:39.41 | susp | what's a substitue for corier? |
| 16:39.42 | Oryn | MiggyB: you didn't ask anyone in there |
| 16:39.44 | susp | *courier |
| 16:39.46 | susp | fetchmail? |
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| 16:39.48 | susp | or exim? |
| 16:39.53 | abrotman | susp: for what? pop3? |
| 16:39.59 | susp | yeah pop sounds good |
| 16:40.08 | abrotman | there are many .. apt-cache search pop3 |
| 16:40.15 | susp | ok |
| 16:40.16 | Oryn | susp cyrus-imapd? |
| 16:40.21 | susp | i like pop3 :) |
| 16:40.31 | ringo999 | strider_: so etch = testing, sid = unstable? |
| 16:40.35 | susp | ok i just flooded my terminal |
| 16:40.38 | Oryn | susp: each to his own :) |
| 16:40.40 | susp | what do you guys recommend for pop3 mail? |
| 16:40.49 | susp | maybe fetchmail |
| 16:40.49 | ringo999 | strider_: what is the diff between xorg and xfree86 |
| 16:40.50 | jazotic | ringo999: true |
| 16:40.52 | abrotman | susp: courier |
| 16:40.58 | abrotman | ringo999: license mostly |
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| 16:41.02 | susp | i've been battling to configure courier |
| 16:41.05 | susp | really struggling with it |
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| 16:41.07 | Oryn | susp: console or gui? |
| 16:41.10 | abrotman | susp: well .. you could try to fix that |
| 16:41.11 | susp | the config files don't help me at all |
| 16:41.21 | ringo999 | abrotman: so with etch/sid i should get xorg |
| 16:41.25 | Oryn | susp: qpopper is quick and dirty |
| 16:41.25 | abrotman | yep |
| 16:41.32 | jazotic | susp: dovecot is easy to set up |
| 16:41.42 | susp | Oryn: i do everything console... but in /etc/courier/ there are only 2 files... |
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| 16:41.50 | susp | i can *connect* to the courier server, but i can auth as a local user |
| 16:42.07 | abrotman | susp: did you install courier-pop ? |
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| 16:42.10 | ringo999 | @all : will reboot now for new kernel |
| 16:42.14 | susp | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:42.22 | abrotman | susp: and why doesn't it work ? |
| 16:42.27 | strider_ | ringo999: it will take sometime to explain the diff, but you shouldn't be concerned with it now |
| 16:42.28 | abrotman | susp: what is your MTA ? |
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| 16:42.51 | strider_ | ringo999: stay with testing instead, you get xorg and you know the steps now :) |
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| 16:43.16 | susp | abrotman: postfix |
| 16:43.33 | susp | [18:42] <abrotman> susp: and why doesn't it work ? <-- if I knew why i'd be having a hotdog and not struggling here :) |
| 16:43.42 | abrotman | susp: did you configure postfix to use maildir ? |
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| 16:44.00 | qc | ok i found a page that is installing slackware on the exact same type of laptop that i have, there are modules.conf files here, are those of use for me? : http://home.sprynet.com/~ecsi/ecsi-dev/linux-stuff.html |
| 16:44.26 | susp | abrotman: well i can send and receive email .. but only using 'mail' .. i can't remotely login to the pop server to send/receive |
| 16:44.47 | ringo999 | abrotman: how do i know if im etch or sid? |
| 16:44.47 | abrotman | susp: you know that postfix defaults to mbox . and courier uses mailidr? |
| 16:44.50 | abrotman | maildir |
| 16:44.57 | abrotman | ringo999: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:45.13 | susp | abrotman: i'm sorry i don't fully understand those two |
| 16:45.23 | abrotman | susp: did you configure postfix to use maildir? |
| 16:45.44 | qc | Anyone know if i can use those files at advantage for me? |
| 16:45.53 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 16:45.54 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 16:46.01 | susp | abrotman: no |
| 16:46.10 | qc | i used that site |
| 16:46.13 | qc | to come there |
| 16:46.56 | abrotman | susp: you probably want to do that |
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| 16:46.57 | qc | now im one the page |
| 16:46.57 | abrotman | actually . if you're gonna use courier .. afaik . you have to |
| 16:46.57 | qc | with the EXACT same type of laptop |
| 16:46.57 | susp | ok |
| 16:46.57 | susp | where do i configure that? /etc/postfix/main.cf ? |
| 16:47.04 | ringo999 | abrotman: i get 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 16:47.04 | qc | but it doesnt include for how to install debian |
| 16:47.05 | abrotman | susp: google "postfix maildir" |
| 16:47.08 | qc | only slackware |
| 16:47.09 | abrotman | ringo999: that is sarge's |
| 16:47.12 | susp | k |
| 16:47.26 | jazotic | qc: _why_ do you want to do that? |
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| 16:47.43 | qc | 7730-snd61 (0.1KB) is the /etc/conf.modules file used to set up the 7730's sound card on RedHat6.1. It was produced by running 'sndconfig' and supplying the parameters "SoundBlaster", IRQ 5, I/O Port 0x220, and DMA 1 |
| 16:47.44 | ringo999 | abrotman: so should i stick with sarge or rather go for "etch" |
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| 16:47.53 | qc | because i cant install my souind card |
| 16:47.55 | abrotman | ringo999: do you have a reason to use etch ? |
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| 16:48.26 | jazotic | qc: usually alsa's alsaconf should be enough to get your sc running. problems? |
| 16:48.36 | ringo999 | abrotman: not really, i mean what would be a reason? |
| 16:48.51 | abrotman | ringo999: depends .. peopel have different reasons |
| 16:48.58 | qc | yes |
| 16:49.04 | qc | many problems |
| 16:49.15 | qc | omg |
| 16:49.20 | qc | maybe i found it |
| 16:49.25 | tgwj | I would *not* go for etch yet. |
| 16:49.33 | jazotic | qc: what about "modprobe <module> <parameter>" |
| 16:49.34 | qc | it was probing all possble legacy stuff |
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| 16:49.51 | qc | it said found at the VERY last thing |
| 16:49.52 | ringo999 | abrotman: i.e.? |
| 16:49.52 | tgwj | it is nowhere near being frozen, so unstable is probably better... |
| 16:50.04 | abrotman | ringo999: xorg ... newer kernel . newer DE etc |
| 16:50.08 | abrotman | ringo999: to help with testing |
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| 16:50.35 | abrotman | ffs |
| 16:50.37 | strider_ | uh oh |
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| 16:50.46 | abrotman | RichiH: it's doing it again! |
| 16:50.48 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 16:50.59 | ringo999 | well, i will stick with sarge then |
| 16:51.15 | ringo999 | or is it a big deal to switch to xorg? |
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| 16:51.50 | resiak | tgwj: Do not recommend unstable |
| 16:51.51 | ringo999 | abrotman: is a lot of hassle to use etch? |
| 16:51.57 | abrotman | ringo999: i use it on my laptop |
| 16:52.09 | tgwj | I don't, I only recommend it over testing ;) |
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| 16:52.23 | ringo999 | abrotman: is xorg better the xfree |
| 16:52.25 | jazotic | ringo999: switching may be harder that using. |
| 16:52.35 | abrotman | ringo999: depends on your hardware |
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| 16:52.45 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 16:53.05 | opnsrc | None of the keyboard shortcut options had any option to load gnome-system-monitor |
| 16:53.09 | ringo999 | abrotman: k7s5a elitegroup 5 year old motherboard.. |
| 16:53.19 | abrotman | i meant your video card |
| 16:53.24 | SerajewelKS | as much as i love keeping stuff, spring cleaning my $HOME is fun =) |
| 16:53.40 | SerajewelKS | du -Sx $HOME | sort -n | tail -30 |
| 16:53.48 | qc | can the sound still work if it failed doing insmod?/ |
| 16:53.50 | strider_ | opnsrc: bind them, using gconf-editor under /apps/metacity |
| 16:54.03 | jazotic | qc: not really |
| 16:54.14 | qc | damn.. |
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| 16:54.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: mine needs some of that |
| 16:54.19 | qc | it said found |
| 16:54.30 | qc | and then before setting default volume |
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| 16:54.37 | qc | it fails indmoding |
| 16:54.49 | jazotic | qc: rmmod loaded soundmodules and try modprobe with right parameters. |
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| 16:55.17 | opnsrc | thanks strider_ |
| 16:55.21 | phil | hey all, my middle mouse button (wheel button) is annoying when I'm in firefox. I want it to only do the scolly thing, which it does. But it sometimes also searches for the text that I've most recently highlighted in google. Which is REALLY annoying. Anyone know how to turn it of? |
| 16:55.22 | qc | btw its still settin default volumes |
| 16:55.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i think i've freed ~30% of my / partition |
| 16:55.24 | jazotic | qc: you can see availible parameters with $ modinfo <module> |
| 16:55.25 | opnsrc | I still don't understand why ctrl+alt+del does nothing |
| 16:55.34 | Eulex | qc, what kind of soundcard did it find? |
| 16:55.41 | qc | snd8x |
| 16:55.42 | ringo999 | abrotman: so how do i install xfree? dpkg says it have to install windows system first... |
| 16:55.45 | jazotic | qc: does a mixer show something? |
| 16:55.46 | qc | or somethijng like that |
| 16:56.01 | qc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.11 | ringo999 | abrotman: got it |
| 16:56.29 | qc | whats a default mixer? |
| 16:56.33 | resiak | !install x |
| 16:56.33 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 16:56.35 | EdLin | ringo999: apt-get install x-window-system-core your-choice-of-xterm your-window-manager |
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| 16:56.51 | jazotic | qc: sometinhg like rexima? /dev/mixer |
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| 16:57.18 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: apt-get clean can free a bunch too |
| 16:57.22 | qc | w8 il have to start a new term |
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| 16:58.52 | MrHart | Hi, someone an idea to get mx518 mouse running? |
| 16:59.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: in $HOME? |
| 16:59.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: in / |
| 16:59.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no .. my $HOME is a mess |
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| 16:59.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i mean purely from a disk usage point of view |
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| 16:59.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: my / was getting full |
| 17:00.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i apt-get clean regularly |
| 17:00.01 | jrwr | how do i get debian to wirte to a ntfs drive |
| 17:00.06 | abrotman | you don't want to |
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| 17:00.12 | jrwr | ? |
| 17:00.12 | qc | rexima can't open mixer devic |
| 17:00.38 | jazotic | qc: did dmesg show you successful insmod? let's start fresh: remove loaded soundmodules. then: what soundcard is it ($ lspci)? |
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| 17:01.02 | opnsrc | how would I bind it to gnome-system-monitor |
| 17:01.15 | opnsrc | Everything wants to bind to "/apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_terminal" |
| 17:01.44 | opnsrc | or to global_keybindings |
| 17:01.58 | opnsrc | wait I think I get it |
| 17:02.01 | qc | dmesg says can grab irq 65535 and lspci doenst have the soundvcard |
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| 17:02.10 | qc | cant grab |
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| 17:02.32 | jazotic | qc: have you enabled acpi? |
| 17:02.35 | jrwr | wow irq 65535, i thougth there where only 16? |
| 17:02.41 | opnsrc | nope, still don't get it |
| 17:02.44 | ma3x | how long does a hard disk live, if it's up 24/7? |
| 17:02.53 | qc | it isnt a pci card |
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| 17:02.55 | strider_ | opnsrc: google for metacity key bindings |
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| 17:03.00 | jazotic | qc: oh! |
| 17:03.01 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 17:03.01 | qc | its builtin |
| 17:03.06 | qc | laptop |
| 17:03.12 | jazotic | qc: then it is. |
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| 17:03.21 | jrwr | ma3x: Make And Model plz |
| 17:03.31 | qc | at alsaconf it found it at the very last search |
| 17:03.32 | jazotic | qc: does lspci show it? |
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| 17:03.37 | Znh | What's the package name for openoffice? I am not able to find it with apt-cache |
| 17:03.39 | qc | where it starts probing |
| 17:03.40 | qc | no |
| 17:03.45 | sabans | Hello, I have a question. Is ftp.nl.debian.org down ? |
| 17:03.47 | jrwr | openoffice.org |
| 17:03.51 | jazotic | qc: what laptop? |
| 17:03.53 | Znh | sabans: nope it's not |
| 17:04.05 | sabans | Znh I can't connect to it, apf gets ping time outs |
| 17:04.08 | qc | http://home.sprynet.com/~ecsi/ecsi-dev/linux-stuff.html |
| 17:04.11 | qc | that one |
| 17:04.13 | jrwr | Znh, its Openoffice.org |
| 17:04.14 | ringo999 | EdLin: which window manager is recommendable? |
| 17:04.14 | sabans | I need to install some tools :) |
| 17:04.17 | ringo999 | EdLin: gdm? |
| 17:04.19 | Znh | jrwr: yes, thank you. |
| 17:04.23 | qc | but it explains slackware :( |
| 17:04.28 | qc | i dont want slackware |
| 17:04.33 | sabans | Could not connect to ftp.nl.debian.org:80 (130.89.175.33). - connect (110 Connection timed out) |
| 17:04.33 | Znh | sabans: hmm |
| 17:04.35 | sabans | Seems to be down |
| 17:04.39 | Znh | sabans: it's down for me as well now |
| 17:04.43 | Znh | sabans: apt-setup ;) |
| 17:04.44 | jrwr | How do i enable writing to a ntfs drive |
| 17:04.53 | Znh | sabans: *apt-config |
| 17:05.08 | resiak | ringo999: gdm is not a window manager |
| 17:05.08 | sabans | I have to use that mirror (because of directadmin) |
| 17:05.19 | jrwr | KDE is |
| 17:05.25 | zinx | jrwr: use a recent kernel.. if you compile your own, make sure you choose the option |
| 17:05.28 | ringo999 | resiak: oh..display manager |
| 17:05.28 | resiak | No, actuallly. kwm is a window manager |
| 17:05.32 | resiak | ringo999: I like gdm |
| 17:05.34 | jrwr | os[Linux 2.6.12-1-686 i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Celeron (Coppermine) @ 769MHz] mem[Physical : 186MB, 49.9% free] disk[Total : 54.77GB, 91.90% Free] video[Intel Corporation 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]] sound[ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH1: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART] |
| 17:05.34 | abrotman | jrwr: you don't want to |
| 17:05.39 | jrwr | why not |
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| 17:05.41 | sabans | Znh but it is down for you too ? |
| 17:05.42 | zinx | jrwr: beware that write support to NTFS is very bad, though |
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| 17:05.42 | Znh | hey where has apt-setup gone to? |
| 17:05.42 | ringo999 | resiak: windwo manager: xf86 |
| 17:05.43 | abrotman | jrwr: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 17:05.43 | tgwj | jrwr not 100% possible atm afaik |
| 17:05.46 | resiak | ringo999: No. |
| 17:05.47 | Znh | sabans: yes it is |
| 17:05.49 | ringo999 | resiak: no? |
| 17:05.50 | resiak | ringo999: That's an X server |
| 17:05.52 | sabans | Znh apt-setup is working here :) |
| 17:05.53 | ringo999 | ups |
| 17:05.56 | jrwr | ?!?!?!?! |
| 17:05.56 | ringo999 | resiak: sorry. |
| 17:05.59 | Znh | sabans: not for me :/ |
| 17:06.04 | Znh | how come I dont have apt-setup? |
| 17:06.05 | sabans | Are you root ? :) |
| 17:06.05 | strider_ | jrwr: even then, write support is very limited. ask in #ntfs |
| 17:06.05 | tgwj | how do I bring a network interface up with dhcp ? |
| 17:06.06 | resiak | ringo999: A window manager is something like Openbox or Metacity |
| 17:06.06 | ringo999 | resiak: but whats a window manager then? |
| 17:06.07 | resiak | !installit |
| 17:06.07 | jazotic | qc: does't tell me anything. you know what module you have to use? |
| 17:06.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:06.13 | qc | http://home.sprynet.com/~ecsi/ecsi-dev/linux-stuff.html can that help me |
| 17:06.15 | ringo999 | ah ok |
| 17:06.18 | qc | wait |
| 17:06.24 | zinx | jrwr: because, you can not create inodes (or at least couldn't), and are required to run windows chkdsk on the drive after any modifications to it |
| 17:06.24 | ringo999 | resiak: and which one is recommended? |
| 17:06.26 | ma3x | jrwr TOSHIBA MK4032GAX |
| 17:06.30 | jazotic | qc: maybe. |
| 17:06.35 | Znh | !apt-setup |
| 17:06.35 | dpkg | apt-setup is probably a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 17:06.42 | resiak | Znh: installit |
| 17:06.42 | ringo999 | resiak: metacity? |
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| 17:06.48 | sabans | Znh sure you are root? :) |
| 17:06.51 | Znh | resiak: how, when the mirror is not working :) |
| 17:06.54 | Znh | sabans: yeah I am |
| 17:07.03 | qc | alias sound sb |
| 17:07.03 | qc | pre-install sound /sbin/insmod sound dmabuf=1 |
| 17:07.03 | qc | alias midi opl3 |
| 17:07.03 | qc | options opl3 io=0x388 |
| 17:07.03 | qc | options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
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| 17:07.04 | jrwr | ma3x: if its writing and reading always, about 2 years |
| 17:07.08 | resiak | ringo999: I like Openbox quite a lot, but right now I'm using the Gnome desktop environment which uses Metacity. |
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| 17:07.20 | ma3x | jrwr and then what, it quits working? |
| 17:07.25 | tgwj | what's the ifup comkmand to bring up eth0 with dhcp ? |
| 17:07.27 | qc | sorry xD |
| 17:07.35 | SerajewelKS | tgwj: ifup eth0 |
| 17:07.40 | strider_ | resiak: you could easily use openbox within Gnome as well ;) |
| 17:07.48 | qc | Will not do that again |
| 17:07.51 | jrwr | ma3x, you notice it will start getting errors or it wil head crash |
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| 17:07.57 | qc | but can that information help me? |
| 17:08.00 | raboof | tgwj: 'man interfaces', look for 'dhcp' |
| 17:08.03 | ringo999 | resiak: i insalled the x-window system & gnome-core now...whats next? the windows manager? metacity? or is that already within the gnome core? |
| 17:08.05 | jrwr | ma3x, if SMART does not come in and tell you |
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| 17:08.15 | jazotic | qc: lyou should use these options with modprobe first to be sure they work. use modinfo with your module. ALSA not OSS. |
| 17:08.15 | sabans | Bah, I need the mirror, please be up :) |
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| 17:08.20 | resiak | ringo999: gnome-core includes metacity |
| 17:08.33 | qc | i dont understand that stuf |
| 17:08.35 | ringo999 | resiak: so all i need is startx? |
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| 17:08.48 | ringo999 | resiak: if X is configured right? |
| 17:08.48 | llessur | I'm having issues with eth0 dropping TCP connections. Can anyone help me? |
| 17:08.52 | Znh | where can I find mirrors for /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:08.53 | jazotic | qc: which part? |
| 17:08.59 | sabans | Znh apt-get.org |
| 17:09.00 | resiak | ringo999: If you get gdm and x-window-system-core then you'll get a nice graphical login and will never need to use startx |
| 17:09.02 | qc | how to do that modprobe |
| 17:09.07 | qc | with those stuff |
| 17:09.11 | Znh | thanks |
| 17:09.16 | sabans | But it is kinda slow |
| 17:09.21 | resiak | strider_: I'm only usisng Gnome to try to figure out why everyone loves it. |
| 17:09.35 | jazotic | qc: remove currently loaded modules with "# rmmod <name>" . use "lsmod" to see them. |
| 17:09.49 | resiak | strider_: Metacity annoys the hell out of me. Nautilus I like. The panel is a buggy piece of shi |
| 17:09.56 | bobbens | resiak: no one is using gnome it's just in your head |
| 17:09.57 | jrwr | What is a Good Filesystem that is supported on WindowsXP and Debian? |
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| 17:10.13 | ringo999 | resiak: how do i actually stop X, i mean getting back to the shell? |
| 17:10.14 | Znh | sabans: where? |
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| 17:10.16 | jrwr | its a 60gig drive, |
| 17:10.17 | jazotic | qc: sound modules! not all |
| 17:10.19 | ringo999 | resiak: just logout |
| 17:10.20 | resiak | ringo999: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 17:10.21 | qc | what name? |
| 17:10.27 | resiak | bobbens: That's not true |
| 17:10.37 | jazotic | qc: lsmod will show, the snd- stuff. |
| 17:10.38 | resiak | jrwr: For reading and writing? No such good filesystem exists. |
| 17:10.43 | raboof | jrwr: i'd just use vfat probably |
| 17:10.45 | jrwr | really? |
| 17:10.47 | Matt-H | jrwr: there aren't any good ones that are supported by both. Some form of FAT is the only option really |
| 17:10.47 | resiak | jrwr: vfat is, I think, the only choice you have |
| 17:10.49 | SerajewelKS | hey, amarok works again |
| 17:10.54 | resiak | jrwr: but it doesn't count as good ;) |
| 17:11.04 | jrwr | its just for bittorrent |
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| 17:11.15 | strider_ | jrwr: join #ntfs |
| 17:11.20 | Znh | sabans: nevermind, ftp.debian.org works fine :) |
| 17:11.25 | qc | i see snd stuff |
| 17:11.27 | ringo999 | resiak: hmmm..wont work |
| 17:11.30 | qc | what o do with it |
| 17:11.31 | ma3x | jrwr, should I activate smart on debian bootup? |
| 17:11.38 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 17:11.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:11.42 | sabans | Znh: http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full |
| 17:11.49 | Znh | thanks |
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| 17:11.55 | jazotic | qc: ok: rmmod <name>. if it tell "in use" remove the other. |
| 17:11.59 | epsilon | My proftpd is starting extremely slow since yesterday while parsing the VirtualHost part of config file... what can be wrong? The config hasn't been changed |
| 17:12.00 | jrwr | ma3x, most of the time your BIOS will check SMART |
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| 17:12.22 | epsilon | and I can't find nothing related in bts... |
| 17:12.24 | jrwr | !help |
| 17:12.48 | jrwr | wow its a learning bot? |
| 17:12.49 | strider_ | resiak: yeah, i know. atleast Gnome's a bit flexible when it comes to changing WM's |
| 17:13.10 | resiak | strider_: but by the time I've replaced all that I want to replace, I might as well go back to using xfce4 ;) |
| 17:13.13 | jrwr | i like KDE, (was mad at the fact KDE was not installed with etch) |
| 17:13.19 | jrwr | !kde |
| 17:13.19 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 17:13.22 | blondie | KDE makes baby blondie cry |
| 17:13.33 | jrwr | why? |
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| 17:13.42 | jrwr | Gnome reminds me of Macs |
| 17:13.44 | resiak | jrwr: Like most everything else, it's installed iff you install it. |
| 17:13.59 | blondie | jrwr: there's more than just gnome and kde |
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| 17:14.04 | jrwr | i know, |
| 17:14.12 | jrwr | there are lots of WM out there |
| 17:14.15 | SerajewelKS | xfce4 looked nice but did weird things for me =/ |
| 17:14.20 | raboof | yay for ion3 :) |
| 17:14.31 | SerajewelKS | though it looked slick |
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| 17:14.46 | blondie | jrwr: they aren't WMs :\ |
| 17:14.49 | stormrider_may | How can i send messages to a windows network using samba? |
| 17:15.01 | SerajewelKS | stormrider_may: smbcliemt -M #iirc |
| 17:15.05 | SerajewelKS | stormrider_may: man smbclient |
| 17:15.24 | stormrider_may | thanks |
| 17:15.26 | stormrider_may | :) |
| 17:15.30 | blondie | (note that that service is disabled by default in Windows now) |
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| 17:15.35 | qc | i did rmmod on all snd stuff |
| 17:15.41 | SerajewelKS | blondie: about time =) |
| 17:15.45 | jazotic | qc: fine |
| 17:15.46 | blondie | indeed |
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| 17:15.51 | qc | and then |
| 17:15.51 | SerajewelKS | blondie: i mess the days of 'net send *' in the computer labs =D |
| 17:15.56 | jazotic | qc: now you know what soundcard it is? |
| 17:15.57 | SerajewelKS | s/mess/miss/ |
| 17:16.01 | blondie | :) |
| 17:16.03 | FlopsyPete | hald doesn't run on startup at the moment cos of an unrecognized(sic) option "--use-syslog". is this happening for everyone on Testing at the moment whose not fixed it for themselves? |
| 17:16.05 | qc | how to see that |
| 17:16.10 | stormrider_may | blondie, on all versions of windows? |
| 17:16.22 | jazotic | qc: manual/lspci/google |
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| 17:16.33 | qc | isnt pci.... |
| 17:16.33 | blondie | stormrider_may: in new ones. |
| 17:16.43 | blondie | (thus the "default" and "now") |
| 17:16.53 | jazotic | qc: then it must be isa. it is an old lappi? |
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| 17:17.06 | stormrider_may | tell me if i'm wrong, but on windows 98 i can still send messages? |
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| 17:17.14 | qc | yeah its old |
| 17:17.23 | blondie | yes, it was changed in XP |
| 17:17.26 | SerajewelKS | stormrider_may: you need winpopup running |
| 17:17.28 | _eLMo_ | CAn |
| 17:17.29 | blondie | maybe with one of the service packs |
| 17:17.32 | blondie | oh 98 |
| 17:17.33 | ringo999 | resiak: well, i restarted, and i get this very simple debian login now, i though gdm was part of gnome-core? |
| 17:17.37 | blondie | not sure if that supports it |
| 17:17.38 | jazotic | qc: ok. does the bios allow you to change dma/irq? |
| 17:17.47 | blondie | (without winpopup) |
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| 17:17.49 | qc | don't think so |
| 17:17.56 | qc | but on that page |
| 17:18.00 | resiak | ringo999: That ... is ... gdm |
| 17:18.13 | resiak | ringo999: You can configure it to look different! |
| 17:18.17 | _eLMo_ | CAn anyone tell me where to find a manual, on how to manually config and compile a kernel, and a quick manual/tut on how Apt-get works ? (I want install Xorg instead of XF86) |
| 17:18.18 | jazotic | qc: if they are fixed: use _exact_ those settings for the modprobe command. |
| 17:18.18 | strider_ | ringo999: apt-get install gdm |
| 17:18.18 | qc | it showed the dma and irq for this type of laptop |
| 17:18.19 | resiak | ringo999: You may also want gdm-themes to be installed |
| 17:18.35 | qc | so how to type that in |
| 17:18.37 | resiak | ringo999: Oh, wait, sorry, gdm _isn't_ in gnome-core |
| 17:18.43 | FlopsyPete | _eLMo_: Stable or Testing? |
| 17:18.45 | qc | modprobe bla? |
| 17:18.48 | _eLMo_ | FlopsyPete: stable |
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| 17:19.11 | ringo999 | resiak: ok np |
| 17:19.24 | jazotic | qc: like: # modprobe irq=<bla> dma=<bla> dma2=<bla> .... all of them (modinfo) |
| 17:19.24 | zinx | gdm needs xinerama support |
| 17:19.45 | stormrider_may | blondie, i was wondering about this, it's possible to send this message to an ip? |
| 17:19.58 | qc | alias sound sb pre-install sound /sbin/insmod sound dmabuf=1 alias midi opl3 options opl3 io=0x388options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 |
| 17:20.10 | ringo999 | resiak: what other display managers are there? |
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| 17:20.17 | ringo999 | except gdm/xdm |
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| 17:20.18 | FlopsyPete | _eLMo_: this covers the kernel: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-sarge.html#linux Don't know about xorg for Sarge tho |
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| 17:20.23 | qc | those are the parameters |
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| 17:20.26 | resiak | !sarge xorg |
| 17:20.26 | strider_ | ringo999: kdm |
| 17:20.31 | resiak | !xorg sarge |
| 17:20.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/ |
| 17:20.33 | _eLMo_ | FlopsyPete: I'm used to Gentoo right now, but I got fed up with the compiling, so I know the basics, but I need a bit help on where to find what, and how to compile / config my kernel (just found a apt-get guide) |
| 17:20.35 | blondie | stormrider_may: yes |
| 17:20.35 | jazotic | qc: don't fiddle with modules.conf now. |
| 17:20.38 | _eLMo_ | FlopsyPete: thnx |
| 17:20.43 | resiak | _eLMo_: Why are you compiling your own kernel? |
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| 17:20.45 | qc | didnt |
| 17:20.56 | qc | i saw that o the site |
| 17:20.58 | FlopsyPete | _eLMo_: apt-gets deprecated. use aptitude instead |
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| 17:21.06 | _eLMo_ | resiak: Cause there is too much slak, and too much useless modules right now |
| 17:21.07 | qc | thats my scard |
| 17:21.18 | resiak | _eLMo_: They don't get loaded if you don't use them. Just use a stock kernel |
| 17:21.20 | jazotic | qc: comandline. what does dmesg say after the comand? |
| 17:21.21 | resiak | !debian kernel image |
| 17:21.21 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 17:21.33 | resiak | ringo999: at |
| 17:21.34 | resiak | erm |
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| 17:21.43 | resiak | ringo999: apt-cache search 'display manager' |
| 17:21.59 | qc | wait |
| 17:22.04 | ambrose | abrotman, you invoked me (via dpkg)? |
| 17:22.07 | _eLMo_ | resiak: I'm sorry, I am used to compiling my own kernel (i'm a gentoo user) |
| 17:22.14 | abrotman | ambrose: it was $randnick :) |
| 17:22.19 | abrotman | ambrose: !rfo |
| 17:22.20 | qc | im trying to put the parameters in the modprobe thingie |
| 17:22.26 | _eLMo_ | resiak: But I do believe I know what i'm doing |
| 17:22.33 | abrotman | ambrose: my apologies if i disturbed you |
| 17:22.33 | resiak | _eLMo_: You're presumably switching to Debian to avoid compiling shit: why not start by not compiling the kernel? there is _no_ _point_ |
| 17:22.38 | jazotic | qc: ?modprobe is a command! |
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| 17:22.49 | _eLMo_ | resiak: ok, I believe you |
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| 17:23.07 | abrotman | ambrose: you'd kill the bot? |
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| 17:23.23 | qc | insmod irq=5 failed |
| 17:23.29 | ambrose | abrotman, no just remembering other occasions when the ops were not around and we sorely needed one |
| 17:23.40 | ambrose | I don't remember who the problem troll was |
| 17:23.43 | abrotman | ambrose: earlier today is a good example :) |
| 17:23.44 | jazotic | qc: so no such card at irq 5. |
| 17:23.50 | ambrose | abrotman, I was sleeping :-) |
| 17:23.58 | qc | ? |
| 17:24.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:24.05 | jazotic | qc: 7 is also common. |
| 17:24.12 | qc | il try |
| 17:24.15 | _eLMo_ | resiak: Is there any documentation avaible on how to replace XFree86 with Xorg ? |
| 17:24.27 | abrotman | in sarge? |
| 17:24.30 | qc | failed |
| 17:24.36 | qc | il try all 16 |
| 17:24.41 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: too me ? |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | to |
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| 17:24.51 | _eLMo_ | in Stable |
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| 17:24.57 | abrotman | why do you want xorg? |
| 17:25.01 | jazotic | qc: bad. will not likely help. |
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| 17:25.15 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: I'm used to it.. I know how to configure it |
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| 17:25.37 | abrotman | what makes you think xorg is easier to configure than xfree ? |
| 17:25.47 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: ( I got the idea that XFree86 older / outdated than Xorg, correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 17:25.57 | abrotman | it's mostly a license issue |
| 17:25.59 | jazotic | qc: some of the other parameters might also be wrong. reboot and check if you can justify them in bios. a lot of older laptops can do this. |
| 17:26.00 | abrotman | what is your video card? |
| 17:26.02 | qc | none of em work |
| 17:26.08 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: Nvidia ( 660GT ) |
| 17:26.11 | _eLMo_ | *6600 |
| 17:26.12 | qc | i cant go in the bios |
| 17:26.23 | abrotman | you're gonna use the nvidia binary driver anyways aren't you ? |
| 17:26.25 | jazotic | qc: no bios? |
| 17:26.28 | qc | del doesnt wor, esc doesnt |
| 17:26.35 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: Yes, probably |
| 17:26.36 | resiak | _eLMo_: If XFree86 works, just use that. |
| 17:26.39 | ringo999 | why wont apt-get find skype? |
| 17:26.41 | ronin | qc: f keys then most likely |
| 17:26.43 | abrotman | then it really won't matter ... |
| 17:26.46 | resiak | ringo999: Because it's not in Debian |
| 17:26.46 | qc | f1 doesnt |
| 17:26.47 | jazotic | qc: hmm. what's the model? |
| 17:26.49 | qc | oh... |
| 17:26.55 | abrotman | !tell _eLMo_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:26.57 | qc | armada 7730md |
| 17:26.57 | Matt-H | qc: quite a few machines use F2 |
| 17:26.59 | qc | mt |
| 17:27.00 | ringo999 | resiak: how do i get it? |
| 17:27.06 | jazotic | qc: don't know about. |
| 17:27.07 | resiak | ringo999: from the skype website? |
| 17:27.11 | _eLMo_ | resiak, abrotman: No offence, but i'm having a hard time to get used to the 'easyness' of Debian :p |
| 17:27.21 | abrotman | _eLMo_: because you're making it hard :) |
| 17:27.23 | ringo999 | resiak: k |
| 17:27.29 | qc | its from compaq |
| 17:27.53 | resiak | Take one? |
| 17:27.58 | jazotic | qc: have you been on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobile.org |
| 17:28.02 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: Yeah, but I'm having this thing in my head, that says I need to optimize things :P |
| 17:28.04 | qc | yeah |
| 17:28.07 | Matt-H | qc: I think my compaq uses ctrl+alt+enter or ctrl+alt+esc something equally unusual |
| 17:28.09 | jazotic | qc: bad. |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | _eLMo_: you're messed up in the head :) |
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| 17:28.22 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: I'll look at some guides to XFree ;) You get some sleep |
| 17:28.29 | qc | http://home.sprynet.com/~ecsi/ecsi-dev/linux-stuff.html |
| 17:28.30 | abrotman | _eLMo_: it's noon here .. won't happen |
| 17:28.39 | qc | thats wwhat i fount there |
| 17:28.53 | qc | but il try rebooting a few times |
| 17:28.55 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: 18:28 here, but you said : * abrotman needs a nap, So i presumed ... ;) |
| 17:29.00 | abrotman | _eLMo_: anyways .. you'll find that working within apt-get/dpkg/aptitude is far easier than trying to run around compile everything |
| 17:29.04 | qc | what irq and dma should i assign? |
| 17:29.05 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: well, i'm off to eat, thnx for the help... |
| 17:29.13 | abrotman | _eLMo_: it's my own fault .. stay out til 2 . up at 730 :) |
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| 17:29.19 | _eLMo_ | ;) |
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| 17:29.49 | qc | irq 5? |
| 17:30.16 | jazotic | qc: the page gives information about OSS drivers not alsa. have you still a kernel with oss? |
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| 17:30.46 | qc | dont think so |
| 17:31.00 | qc | i installed debian yesterday |
| 17:31.02 | selektor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.55 | jazotic | qc: it's very hard to find out the correct irq line without PnPray or such tools. however, havn't used them for years now. |
| 17:31.55 | qc | but i have to set irq values? |
| 17:32.09 | qc | il rebot |
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| 17:32.14 | qc | cya soon |
| 17:32.20 | jazotic | qc: they come from the bios. |
| 17:32.31 | jazotic | qc: you can't set them afterwards |
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| 17:33.17 | jazotic | qc: alsa try acpi=force or acpi=off on the lilo commandline. maybe it's helps. |
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| 17:34.11 | mhall | is there a way to convince apt-get to use multiple connections on one server |
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| 17:34.45 | phil | hey all, my middle mouse button (wheel button) is annoying when I'm in firefox. I want it to only do the scolly thing, which it does. But it sometimes also searches for the text that I've most recently highlighted in google. Which is REALLY annoying. Anyone know how to turn it of? |
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| 17:36.14 | strider_ | phil: that's a feature ;) |
| 17:36.19 | EdLin | phil: it's probably acting as a middle button, don't press too hard on it. |
| 17:36.33 | strider_ | middle-click does a google search of the clipboard |
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| 17:36.58 | phil | EdLin: I mean, when I click it as a middle mouse button I want it to come up with that double headed arrow that lets you scroll when you move the mouse |
| 17:37.08 | phil | strider_:how can I turn it off? |
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| 17:37.32 | strider_ | phil: it's in about:config. |
| 17:37.38 | phil | thanks |
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| 17:37.59 | domdk | hello |
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| 17:38.22 | domdk | how do you change the default keyboard map? the one you specify in the installation process? |
| 17:38.22 | beered | I've compiled new kernel with sound support for my laptop. I'm certain kernel is compiled properly, but for some reason I can't hear any sounds from the speakers. Is there anything else I need to install to get sound working? I have apt-get installed alsa but I'm not sure if I have to do somehting to it. |
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| 17:38.32 | phil | strider_: do you know what the value I'm looking for is? |
| 17:38.34 | beered | domdk: in X11 config file. |
| 17:38.35 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 17:38.35 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 17:38.42 | strider_ | phil: anyway, for autoscrolling, look in Edit-->Preferences-->Advanced-->Enable auto scrolling |
| 17:38.43 | domdk | beered: not the X11 one, the console one |
| 17:38.57 | beered | domdk: see above :) |
| 17:38.59 | strider_ | phil: let me see, if i can find out |
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| 17:39.09 | domdk | beered: I don't even run X11 |
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| 17:39.19 | phil | strider_: thanks |
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| 17:39.25 | beered | domdk: see the answer above. |
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| 17:39.42 | abrotman | !tell domdk about keymap |
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| 17:39.49 | domdk | beered: which X11 file if it is not there? |
| 17:39.55 | beered | domdk: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". |
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| 17:40.02 | beered | heh |
| 17:40.05 | domdk | :) |
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| 17:40.11 | domdk | thanks abrotman, beered |
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| 17:41.19 | strider_ | phil: i have to go now. will be back within an hour. Maybe try a google search for about:config middle click clipboard should turn some results up |
| 17:41.38 | phil | strider_: Ok, thanks for all your help |
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| 17:43.08 | ringo999 | i installe apt-get mozilla-firefox and it wont launch |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | ringo999: i believe the binary is called mozilla-firefox |
| 17:43.39 | ringo999 | im gettings this error: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serv |
| 17:43.50 | ringo999 | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 17:43.50 | ringo999 | (firefox-bin:4327): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 17:43.54 | abrotman | ringo999: don't run it as root |
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| 17:44.05 | ringo999 | abrotman: im not |
| 17:44.13 | abrotman | are you 100% sure? |
| 17:44.18 | ringo999 | yes 100% |
| 17:44.24 | abrotman | are you in X ? |
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| 17:44.29 | ringo999 | yes |
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| 17:44.36 | abrotman | and you logged into X as your user ? |
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| 17:44.44 | ringo999 | yes |
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| 17:44.56 | abrotman | and there's no firefox in your WM menus ? |
| 17:45.14 | ringo999 | abrotman: wm menus? |
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| 17:45.33 | abrotman | ringo999: gnome/kde/what? |
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| 17:45.37 | ringo999 | abrotman: applicatoins -> internet -> mozilla firefox (gnome) |
| 17:45.40 | domdk | ringo999: press Alt-F2 and type firefox |
| 17:45.49 | domdk | what happens? |
| 17:45.54 | abrotman | ringo999: and if you run it form there? |
| 17:46.01 | ringo999 | domdk: i did nothings happens, so i typed it in the shell, this is the error i get |
| 17:46.12 | ringo999 | abrotman: nothing happens |
| 17:46.17 | domdk | ringo999: check if the $DISPLAY variable is set |
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| 17:46.35 | domdk | ringo999: try running DISPLAY=0.0 firefox |
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| 17:48.00 | ringo999 | domdk: (firefox-bin:4365): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 17:48.12 | jazotic | ringo999: it's likely a messed up ~/.Xauthority file. Should be created when logging in. |
| 17:48.18 | abrotman | ringo999: `whoami` ? |
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| 17:48.38 | kspath | Anyone heard anything about the status of debianplanet.org yet? |
| 17:49.01 | ringo999 | abrotman: not root |
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| 17:49.30 | abrotman | kspath: it's brokenized! |
| 17:49.32 | usn | god evening |
| 17:49.54 | ringo999 | abrotman: i guess i will reboot to enable the gdm |
| 17:50.03 | abrotman | ringo999: did you install gdm ? |
| 17:50.04 | ringo999 | abrotman: or how can i do that? |
| 17:50.09 | domdk | try resetting the x11 server |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | ringo999: did you install gdm ? |
| 17:50.17 | ringo999 | abrotman: i did, but when i log out, its still the old xdm |
| 17:50.29 | abrotman | ringo999: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 17:50.32 | ringo999 | even though during conf i set it to gdm |
| 17:50.36 | Lord_Athur | ¿is there a chess gaim? |
| 17:50.36 | domdk | doing dpkg-reconfigure gdm, it should ask you for the default dm |
| 17:50.43 | Lord_Athur | ¿is there a chess game? |
| 17:51.11 | Inflicted | Who has experience with Postfix/Amavis/SpamAssassin?? I need help making an already-working spam filtering more strict. (Debian Sarge) |
| 17:51.21 | domdk | apt-cache search chess ? |
| 17:51.23 | Daveman | weewoo |
| 17:51.25 | ringo999 | abrotman: i have to end xsession, how do i do that? |
| 17:51.29 | Lord_Athur | :D |
| 17:51.37 | abrotman | ringo999: to configure it ? |
| 17:51.40 | ringo999 | (changes take effect after xsession has ended) |
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| 17:52.07 | abrotman | ringo999: logout of X .. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 17:52.30 | ringo999 | k..lets see if that works, |
| 17:52.39 | mhall | Inflicted: there is a doc for this; hold on |
| 17:52.55 | huest1 | rash , is visible this web site ? http://homepageda10milionidieuro.it/ |
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| 17:53.04 | Inflicted | mhall: I just need help setting the sa |
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| 17:53.19 | Inflicted | mhall: I just need help setting the 'sa_tag' stuff... I don't understand the scoring very well. |
| 17:53.26 | domdk | huest1: tutti che vogliono diventare miliardari... :-) |
| 17:53.39 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.48 | domdk | xerophyte: Ctrl-L? |
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| 17:53.53 | xerophyte | thx |
| 17:54.04 | domdk | np |
| 17:54.07 | huest1 | domdk, e'visibile il sito da te?? |
| 17:54.13 | domdk | huest1: ora provo |
| 17:54.16 | abrotman | italian? |
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| 17:54.21 | huest1 | grazie |
| 17:54.23 | abrotman | !it |
| 17:54.23 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:54.28 | Inflicted | $sa_tag_level_deflt = 0; |
| 17:54.29 | Inflicted | $sa_tag2_level_deflt = 5; |
| 17:54.29 | Inflicted | $sa_kill_level_deflt = $sa_tag2_level_deflt; |
| 17:54.29 | Inflicted | $sa_dsn_cutoff_level = 10; |
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| 17:54.35 | goron | What happened to ftp.nl.debian.org? |
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| 17:54.39 | domdk | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 17:54.42 | mhall | Inflicted: yeah not sure what to say there, can you find a library book etc |
| 17:54.52 | mhall | goron: hold on |
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| 17:55.30 | huest1 | domdk, allora ?? is visible this web site ? http://homepageda10milionidieuro.it/ |
| 17:55.35 | huest1 | opps e' visibile??? |
| 17:55.36 | mhall | goron: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:55.39 | huest1 | scusate :-( |
| 17:55.56 | slug | sers everyone |
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| 17:56.19 | abrotman | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
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| 17:56.44 | abrotman | huest1: #debian-it |
| 17:56.47 | domdk | huest1: look the query message |
| 17:56.59 | tiagoveloso | algum br?? |
| 17:57.03 | domdk | !br |
| 17:57.04 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:57.13 | raden | is there a minimum install CD for debian ? |
| 17:57.20 | goron | mhall: so? I don't see anything recent in the archives. |
| 17:57.22 | mhall | raden: yes, link is following |
| 17:57.22 | jazotic | raden: netinstall |
| 17:57.25 | huest1 | domdk, do it.... |
| 17:57.31 | mhall | goron: just an idea of a place to check |
| 17:57.35 | raden | buhbye SUSE |
| 17:57.36 | domdk | huest1: read the private message.. |
| 17:57.46 | domdk | huest1: anyway yes, I can see that site.. |
| 17:57.47 | mhall | !d-i raden |
| 17:57.47 | dpkg | raden, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:57.49 | goron | mhall: Oh, well, ok. |
| 17:57.56 | huest1 | domdk, i just read........ |
| 17:58.02 | mhall | goron: sorry it didn't work, make a post? |
| 17:58.10 | huest1 | domdk, but, are you reading my pvt post???? |
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| 17:58.38 | domdk | huest1: no.. write in the private tab |
| 17:58.40 | mhall | huest1: you can't make any unless you are registered |
| 17:59.00 | huest1 | mhall, sorry. |
| 17:59.02 | domdk | I didn't know this one.. |
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| 17:59.34 | huest1 | domdk, I've just do..... |
| 17:59.39 | domdk | mmh.. I can't enable dma since I recompiled the kernel.. |
| 17:59.48 | mhall | WHY IN HELL DOES ANYBODY EVER USE QMAIL?!?!? |
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| 17:59.56 | abrotman | god damn fucking bots |
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| 18:00.06 | domdk | netsplit? |
| 18:00.09 | slug | someone know if there is a asus 6800 128 mb with 16 pixel pipelines and 6 vertex shader but gpu @ 325 and ram @ 350 ? |
| 18:00.10 | abrotman | no .. bots |
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| 18:00.44 | domdk | uhm.. they have different ip.. must be a zombie net |
| 18:00.48 | zebalin7 | abrotman: explain. I know what a bot is (!xxxx) but what reference are you making to it here? |
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| 18:00.58 | abrotman | domdk: you think ? |
| 18:00.58 | domdk | somebody is having fun.. |
| 18:01.05 | abrotman | zebalin7: as in .. evil bots |
| 18:01.11 | raden | Does debian have anything like Yast that thinks it knows better than the Admin on how to config files ? |
| 18:01.19 | zebalin7 | abrotman: in a few words what is this bot doing? |
| 18:01.25 | abrotman | zebalin7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet |
| 18:01.28 | jazotic | raden: $EDITOR |
| 18:01.34 | zebalin7 | abrotman: ok, thanx |
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| 18:02.11 | huest1 | domdk, are you here??? but, why don't reply to my pvt msg?? |
| 18:02.26 | mhall | huest1: REGISTER WITH NICKSERV |
| 18:02.27 | Lord_Athur | u |
| 18:02.28 | mtellez | Hi, I install sarge in a 160gb HD, without problems, but If I compile the kernel sources and boot with the new kernel, I get a messages that say that my HD is 80GB, and then this message: hda: hda1 hda2 < |
| 18:02.35 | sandman | Does Anjuta do COBOL syntax? |
| 18:02.47 | mtellez | and the boot process hang. Hda2 is an extenden partition. Any clue? |
| 18:02.48 | zebalin7 | raden: no. Closest thing to it would be KDE's control panel or whatever is in gnome. Some derivatives have their own admin panel (Mepis, for ex.) |
| 18:02.51 | mhall | sandman: lol, cobol? try gvim or xemacs |
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| 18:02.58 | abrotman | sandbot: doubtful . vim might |
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| 18:03.09 | raden | zebalin7, well as long as I have control |
| 18:03.12 | huest1 | mhall, ok, now i understand. but i don't remember how could i do :-( |
| 18:03.33 | zebalin7 | sandman: I believe eclipse will do cobol. |
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| 18:03.50 | abrotman | it has a plugin for it |
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| 18:04.36 | abrotman | mhall: you don't |
| 18:04.42 | zebalin7 | raden: you will have all the control you want with debian. Same as with Slackware but no pkg manager with Slack. |
| 18:04.46 | abrotman | mhall: though .. i've got COBOL and RPG books here :) |
| 18:04.57 | h7-25 | hi folks i've got a question about pxe booting debian sarge; when running the installer it complains about not finding any partitionable media which is caused by the lack of the piix module i think... does this sound familiar to anyone of you? |
| 18:04.58 | zebalin7 | mhall: how are you going to profit from cobol in this day and age? |
| 18:05.01 | raden | zebalin7, i dont even mind doing everything from source |
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| 18:05.14 | kspath | abrotman: RPG is deprecated RPG II |
| 18:05.14 | raden | I mind crap telling me its going to rewrite something i just did |
| 18:05.22 | huest1 | domdk, |
| 18:05.25 | abrotman | kspath: it's an RPG IV book :) |
| 18:05.28 | kspath | abrotman: ;P |
| 18:05.36 | zebalin7 | raden: then forget debian and get gentoo!! |
| 18:05.37 | abrotman | zebalin7: you'd be surprised |
| 18:05.38 | kspath | abrotman: hehehe |
| 18:05.39 | nano_ | is it possible to run a debian server on my box and also use it as a desktop for some office work or surfing internet? |
| 18:05.41 | goron | German mirrors: here I come ;) |
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| 18:05.45 | huest1 | domdk, have an icq number?? |
| 18:05.54 | sandman | Doesn't GNOME have a visual-basic equivelant? |
| 18:06.03 | abrotman | gnome-basic |
| 18:06.04 | domdk | huest1: no, but I use jabber if you want my jabber id.. |
| 18:06.13 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I did cobol starting in '75. Is it on the way back???? |
| 18:06.14 | mike__ | cccccccccccccccc |
| 18:06.14 | mhall | goron: lol, take that you Nazi whackjobs ;-) |
| 18:06.29 | abrotman | zebalin7: apparently there's still a good chunk of money to be made doing it .. |
| 18:06.38 | nano_ | is it possible to run a debian server on my box and also use it as a desktop for some office work or surfing internet? |
| 18:06.55 | huest1 | no, sign my uin:287-124-198 |
| 18:06.59 | zebalin7 | abrotman: where? with whom? Hell I could still do it (even with CICS). Where to I apply? |
| 18:07.03 | domdk | sandman: there is gambas |
| 18:07.09 | h7-25 | nano_: sure its possible where do you expect problems? |
| 18:07.10 | raden | zebalin7, i like apt-get :) |
| 18:07.19 | abrotman | zebalin7: look around on Dice and stuff . i'm sure they are there |
| 18:07.20 | zebalin7 | nano_: yes |
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| 18:07.37 | abrotman | zebalin7: remember all that code you wrote in 75 . .it's still running . and may need changes |
| 18:07.39 | ringo999 | abrotman: a reboot solved the problem, must have been something with gdm and x |
| 18:07.40 | zebalin7 | raden: everyone and their dog loves apt-get. It is the crown-jewel of debian, IMO. |
| 18:07.48 | raden | very true |
| 18:07.52 | raden | whats soo great about gentoo ? |
| 18:07.56 | zebalin7 | abrotman: Maybe I should send EDS my resume then!!!! |
| 18:08.11 | mhall | raden: nothing |
| 18:08.15 | abrotman | zebalin7: http://cobol-jobs.dice.com/ .. for example |
| 18:08.17 | nano_ | ooh ok...i don't know, i think i just have some misunderstanding :p |
| 18:08.18 | mhall | raden: hence why all the users are n00bs |
| 18:08.21 | zebalin7 | raden: gentoo is just a bit less of a pain in the ass than Slackware is :-) |
| 18:08.29 | huest1 | domdk, this is my uoin. could you contact me? 287124198 |
| 18:08.32 | mhall | raden: because all the experts use other things, like sid |
| 18:08.41 | jazotic | raden: you havd to wait 5 days till you can work on it. :) |
| 18:08.42 | mhall | huest1: we are on IRC; we all use IRC |
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| 18:08.58 | abrotman | some abuse it |
| 18:08.58 | mhall | huest1: toughen up; what doesn't kill you makes you stronger |
| 18:09.02 | raden | A debian channel telling me to use something else |
| 18:09.05 | raden | hmmm espionage |
| 18:09.06 | raden | LOL |
| 18:09.14 | h7-25 | i've got a question about pxe booting debian sarge; when running the installer it complains about not finding any partitionable media which is caused by the lack of the piix module i think... does this sound familiar to anyone of you? |
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| 18:09.35 | mhall | raden: sid is a version of debian, not 'something else' |
| 18:09.48 | prxq | hi. I am getting a "connection failed" when using apt-get, but the url that "fails" is positively correct and available. What might be the problem? |
| 18:09.58 | zebalin7 | People who want to squeeze that last machine cycle out of the cpu like gentoo. The rest of us are sane. |
| 18:10.00 | mhall | h7-25: that was a stupid thing to leave out |
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| 18:10.08 | mhall | zebalin7: doesn't do anything anyways |
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| 18:10.15 | Chance | !find gpg |
| 18:10.17 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gpg' (13): gnome-gpg ;; gpgkeys ;; gpgp ;; gpgsm ;; kgpg ;; libcrypt-gpg-perl ;; libgpg-error-dev ;; libgpg-error0 ;; libgpgme-dev ;; libgpgme11 ;; libgpgme11-dev ;; libgpgme6 ;; pgpgpg. |
| 18:10.18 | h7-25 | mhall: care to explain? |
| 18:10.21 | huest1 | mhall, ok. please could you help me to register my account here? |
| 18:10.21 | mhall | h7-25: let me get you a link |
| 18:10.28 | mhall | h7-25: it was stupid of whoever to leave it out |
| 18:10.29 | mhall | huest1: yes |
| 18:10.35 | mhall | huest1: /msg nickserv help |
| 18:10.36 | zebalin7 | prxq: the repos might be down. which one is failing? |
| 18:10.41 | mhall | huest1: /msg nickserv help register |
| 18:11.06 | h7-25 | mhall: i got the netboot.tar.gz from the repository |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | how about they both join another channel ? |
| 18:11.13 | huest1 | mhall, thank, no try. domdk are you still here?? |
| 18:11.19 | huest1 | *now |
| 18:11.22 | prxq | zebalin7: actually it is an ubuntu server (*blush*). The server is working, I can fetch the file using wget just fine. |
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| 18:11.27 | mhall | h7-25: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ |
| 18:11.36 | h7-25 | mhall... reading... brb |
| 18:11.38 | mhall | h7-25: try a daily hack release |
| 18:11.44 | zebalin7 | prxq: #ubuntu |
| 18:11.52 | h7-25 | mhall... can i use this to install sarge? |
| 18:11.53 | mhall | !ubuntusmite prxq |
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| 18:12.01 | abrotman | or you could use the sarge installer |
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| 18:12.12 | huest1 | REGISTER |
| 18:12.13 | mhall | abrotman: it was missing the PIIX driver |
| 18:12.21 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 18:12.27 | mhall | h7-25: yeah you can tweak sources.list |
| 18:12.42 | just1primate | question: is there a way to keep console messages, like those from ipmasq, from appearing when you have a console open? |
| 18:12.43 | mhall | h7-25: abrotman doesn't believe it was missing the PIIX module |
| 18:12.43 | prxq | whatever. I thought, being an apt-get problem, maybe someone has an idea here. |
| 18:12.54 | mhall | h7-25: is there anything else that could be done |
| 18:13.01 | mhall | prxq: how are we to know they didn't fuck up apt-get |
| 18:13.04 | h7-25 | abrotman... it surely is missing |
| 18:13.19 | mhall | h7-25: maybe you better describe it further |
| 18:13.29 | mhall | h7-25: like what file you used, etc. |
| 18:13.30 | prxq | mhall: might as well be. granted. |
| 18:13.38 | h7-25 | mhall: don't know just trying but goota leave now for a birthday party... i'll be back if i encounter problems later tonight |
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| 18:13.41 | mhall | prxq: so then how can we help |
| 18:13.41 | jazotic | just1primate: use LOG --level= or /proc/sys/kernel/printk 4 4 1 7 |
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| 18:13.48 | Chance | !find stubs.h |
| 18:14.03 | jrwr | im looking for kernal source for 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 18:14.04 | huest1 | mhall, sorry, but i must only put the command REGISTER + password?? |
| 18:14.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'stubs.h' (6 of 14): (/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/share/yacas/include/stubs.h) in math/yacas ;; (/usr/share/cscc/include/gnu/stubs.h) in devel/pnetc ;; (/usr/include/hdf/dfstubs.h) in libdevel/libhdf4g-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/domstubs.h) in devel/mozilla-dev ;; (/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/gnu/stubs.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev-amd64. |
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| 18:14.16 | abrotman | Chance: msg the bot |
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| 18:14.24 | Chance | i'm sorry |
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| 18:14.44 | prxq | mhall: a priori, there was a good chance. |
| 18:14.49 | jrwr | dpkg is a very smart bot |
| 18:14.54 | mhall | huest1: /msg nickserv register <pass> |
| 18:14.54 | jrwr | !smart |
| 18:14.54 | dpkg | i heard smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
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| 18:15.02 | just1primate | jazotic: not sure of the synatx to do that |
| 18:15.15 | huest1 | mhall, ok re-thanks |
| 18:15.38 | jrwr | im looking for kernal source package for 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 18:15.41 | mhall | !tell Chance about apt-file |
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| 18:15.44 | sifi-xz | when will gtk-engines-qt come for debian |
| 18:15.46 | mhall | !tell Chance about pdo.debian.net |
| 18:15.51 | Chance | ? |
| 18:15.53 | jazotic | just1primate: echo "4 4 1 7" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 18:15.55 | mhall | Chance: http://pdo.debian.net/ |
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| 18:16.20 | resiak | sifi-xz: When someone packages it |
| 18:16.47 | jazotic | just1primate: it's away after a reboot. use /etc/sysctl then. |
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| 18:17.29 | mhall | sifi-xz: what is that |
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| 18:17.44 | mhall | sifi-xz: you mean somebody wrote a blasphemous integration of the two? |
| 18:17.53 | goron | How can I make sure that on upgrade there will not be installed a new kernel? |
| 18:17.58 | just1primate | jazotic: thanks....you rock |
| 18:18.04 | zebalin7 | What is involved with an kernel upgrade (in etch)? Is it just an apt-get install or is there a lot more to it? |
| 18:18.06 | jazotic | just1primate: np. |
| 18:18.08 | goron | (I am perfectly happy with my current kernel.) |
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| 18:18.18 | mhall | GObject should not be allowed to exist |
| 18:18.23 | sifi-xz | mhall, I just read this from the Gentoo forum "I am a KDE user but often find myself using a lot of GTK apps. So naturally I installed gtk-engines-qt. " |
| 18:18.24 | goron | I installed my current kernel via The Debian Way. |
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| 18:18.30 | mhall | sifi-xz: haha |
| 18:18.37 | [Skrater] | help |
| 18:18.45 | goron | Apt-get wants to get linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 |
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| 18:18.50 | mhall | sifi-xz: already here |
| 18:18.52 | mhall | sifi-xz: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x |
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| 18:18.58 | sifi-xz | mhall, well, I am using KDE with some GTK apps |
| 18:19.01 | mhall | sifi-xz: apt-cache search gtk | grep qt |
| 18:19.16 | mhall | !punish sifi-xz |
| 18:19.23 | mhall | sifi-xz: ;-) |
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| 18:19.43 | cheal | goron: what kind of upgrade? which kernel do you have? |
| 18:19.46 | netman1 | Hi All. Why does "ping 127.0.0.2" (in fact every address I tried in 127.0.0.0/8) react? FreeBSD 4.8 does not, Solaris 8 does not but HPUX 11.00 does. |
| 18:20.02 | goron | cheal: a recent one |
| 18:20.02 | sifi-xz | mhall, that was so cruel =)! |
| 18:20.11 | netman1 | Btw did this on sarge 2.6.8. |
| 18:20.49 | goron | cheal: apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:21.34 | jazotic | netman1: 'cause netmask is 255.0.0.0? |
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| 18:21.58 | mhall | sifi-xz: i didn't realize punish would be that... crass |
| 18:21.58 | netman1 | jazotic: it's a unicast, not a broadcast. |
| 18:22.00 | Chance | is there any package that will install all the include libraries i need ? |
| 18:22.12 | mhall | sifi-xz: i figured there was no way it could be as bad as say, mhallsmite |
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| 18:22.22 | cheal | goron: it will not install a new kernel, unless you consider a new Debian revision of a kernel with some ABI to be a new kernel |
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| 18:22.31 | mhall | sifi-xz: i figured it would bop you on the noggin or something ;-) |
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| 18:22.40 | jazotic | netman1: havn'e seen other behavior. bsd doesn't? |
| 18:22.42 | abrotman | stupid bots |
| 18:22.42 | mhall | fuckin bots |
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| 18:22.47 | mhall | abrotman: heh |
| 18:22.47 | Chance | libc6-dev < will this one do it ? |
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| 18:22.58 | mhall | Chance: need for what |
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| 18:23.02 | abrotman | !b-e Chance |
| 18:23.03 | dpkg | Chance: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 18:23.08 | mhall | Chance: each lib usu. has its own -dev |
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| 18:23.16 | mhall | Chance: b-e is a start |
| 18:23.16 | abrotman | Chance: beyond that .. you'll have to find them |
| 18:23.16 | netman1 | FreeBSD (only BSD I can access right now) does not. HPUX 11 does. |
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| 18:23.51 | goron | cheal: what do you consider to be a new kernel? |
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| 18:23.57 | abrotman | mhall: which client ? |
| 18:24.00 | jazotic | netman1: ask FreeBSD about. |
| 18:24.04 | mhall | abrotman: irssi |
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| 18:24.18 | Matt-H | mhall: /ignore #debian join quit part |
| 18:24.23 | Matt-H | mhall: (or just join) |
| 18:24.27 | zebalin7 | Is there going to be any major difference in etch with kernel 2.6.10-386 vs. -686 on a fairly new/fast machine with 1 gb of ram and a 2.4 mhz Pentium 4? |
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| 18:24.36 | cheal | goron: one which will need the installation of a new kernel package |
| 18:24.37 | mhall | Matt-H: ah, very h4x0r of you |
| 18:24.43 | goron | cheal: Since according to the rest of the world a new kernel is a kernel which is different from any of the other kernels currently on the system. |
| 18:24.43 | mhall | PINTO |
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| 18:24.51 | abrotman | chevelle! |
| 18:24.51 | jazotic | zebalin7: minimal. |
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| 18:24.56 | mhall | abrotman: :-D |
| 18:25.05 | zebalin7 | jazotic: I kind of thought so. |
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| 18:25.31 | zebalin7 | jazotic: what does an upgrade from a 386 to 686 kernel get you? |
| 18:25.34 | goron | cheal: ok, so you don't think anything depends on 2.6.15? |
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| 18:25.52 | jazotic | zebalin7: havn't messured. maybe 1 to 5 % |
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| 18:26.12 | cheal | goron: what do you mean? I don't think I said that. |
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| 18:26.29 | JMTeal | hey anyone know where i can get a little bash script help? |
| 18:26.32 | fallen_angel | will partitioning about a gig of my fat32 hard drive to linux format destroy all of the existing data on my hard drive? |
| 18:26.41 | epsilon | JMTeal: #bash |
| 18:26.42 | goron | cheal: Never mind. I don't want a new kernel on my system, but I do want new libs. |
| 18:26.44 | jazotic | JMTeal: www.tldp.org |
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| 18:26.48 | JMTeal | fallen_ uh.. yeah |
| 18:26.49 | abrotman | fallen_angel: yes |
| 18:26.53 | _eLMo_ | Let The Reading Begin |
| 18:26.53 | zebalin7 | jazotic: is it just an apt-get install, or is there more to it? (like chaning menu.lst.... or is that done by package?) |
| 18:27.00 | goron | cheal: Is that impossible? |
| 18:27.00 | JMTeal | thx |
| 18:27.04 | sifi-xz | mhall, so what is gtk2-engines-gtk-qt good for, I can run GTK apps without and I see no differences with? |
| 18:27.10 | jazotic | zebalin7: should do. |
| 18:27.11 | fallen_angel | thanks |
| 18:27.18 | cheal | goron: of course |
| 18:27.24 | zebalin7 | jazotic: thanx. |
| 18:27.24 | jazotic | zebalin7: apt-get i mean |
| 18:27.39 | goron | cheal: since you think something depends on the kernel? |
| 18:27.41 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: Hey, i'm back from dinner, have any tips on guide I should read sometime ? Except the debian.org guides ? |
| 18:27.48 | abrotman | _eLMo_: guides for what ? |
| 18:28.01 | abrotman | that's a long dinner |
| 18:28.08 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: just general Debian stable use |
| 18:28.15 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: I cooked ;) |
| 18:28.16 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 18:28.16 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (i.e. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 18:28.19 | cheal | goron: I don't understand your last question |
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| 18:28.32 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: thnx :) |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | _eLMo_: /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 18:29.44 | goron | cheal: It is possible to upgrade everything. |
| 18:29.56 | goron | cheal: I don't understand what you were talking about. |
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| 18:30.51 | mhall | sifi-xz: well... not sure |
| 18:30.51 | cheal | goron: I don't understand you anymore. if you have a problem, explain it to everyone and ask a precise question. |
| 18:30.54 | mhall | sifi-xz: you asked for it |
| 18:30.58 | mhall | sifi-xz: now you have it |
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| 18:31.05 | mhall | sifi-xz: be careful what you wish for :-) |
| 18:31.19 | mhall | JMTeal: #bash is pretty good |
| 18:31.35 | goron | cheal: I guess we had a big understanding. Next time I will try to be clearer. |
| 18:31.50 | mhall | goron: s/understanding/cock-up/g |
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| 18:32.01 | jazotic | #!/bin/bash is perfect :) |
| 18:32.02 | sandman | Is there any way to make the remote desktop login work under encryption? |
| 18:32.03 | beered | where is Debian's etc/alsa/modules/0.9 directory? |
| 18:32.14 | beered | is that kepts somewhere else? |
| 18:32.20 | mhall | sandman: SSH tunneling |
| 18:32.41 | jazotic | beered: kernel modules? |
| 18:32.42 | epsilon | sandman: ssh || vpn |
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| 18:33.25 | beered | jazotic: kernel modules... sry for asking but I don't know where to find them either. |
| 18:33.28 | mhall | epsilon: (ssh || vpn) && configuration |
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| 18:33.34 | zebalin7 | What GUI program do you use in etch to burn back-up data CDs? (What in etch does what k3b does?) |
| 18:33.41 | jazotic | beered: /lib/modles/<version>/sound |
| 18:33.44 | rikkus | looks like faq wiki is broken |
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| 18:33.53 | mhall | zebalin7: gcombust, cdrecord, mkisofs, growisofs |
| 18:34.02 | mhall | zebalin7: last is for DVD |
| 18:34.02 | cheal | zebalin7: k3b |
| 18:34.06 | jazotic | beered: s/modles/modules/ |
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| 18:34.25 | zebalin7 | cheal: i wish k3b was in etch.... but it will not get there in my lifetime I'm affraid. |
| 18:34.30 | beered | jazotic: I don't have sound dir in there. |
| 18:34.48 | jazotic | beered: hmm. maybe /drivers ? |
| 18:34.54 | cheal | zebalin7: sure it will. but it's still what I use in Etch |
| 18:35.04 | beered | jazotic: I don't have that dir either. |
| 18:35.32 | jazotic | beered: so no alsa modules installed - which kernel? |
| 18:35.35 | sewi` | how to set terminus fonts in terminal(console)? |
| 18:35.37 | abrotman | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 18:35.38 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 18:35.40 | paolob | hi guys! Anyone uses a wince palmtop and could sync it with evolution? |
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| 18:35.55 | beered | jazotic: I got alsa installed and working. Kernel 2.6.15.2 |
| 18:35.57 | zebalin7 | cheal: it is safe to install k3b from sid into etch? Is that what you mean? |
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| 18:36.15 | cheal | zebalin7: almost. get 0.12.10-1 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:36.17 | mhall | zebalin7: just grab the debs from the package pool with lftp |
| 18:36.25 | jazotic | beered: just looked: it's behind ./kernel/ |
| 18:36.28 | mhall | zebalin7: or grab it from backports |
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| 18:36.46 | beered | jazotic: ahhhh... got it. thanks! |
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| 18:36.51 | dr1v3r | anyone know how to make a standard index.html file be the dafault page in apache2 instead of the index.html.en being the default page? |
| 18:37.08 | zebalin7 | I'm new to etch (not linux). Don't know about snapshot.debian.net or backports (what is a back port?) |
| 18:37.14 | mhall | zebalin7: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=k3b&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 18:37.28 | mhall | dr1v3r: delete that stuff :-D |
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| 18:37.35 | jazotic | dr1v3r: link it to index.html or turn lanuage off. |
| 18:37.44 | mhall | dr1v3r: fgrep -ir .en /etc/apache/* |
| 18:37.54 | just1primate | jazotic: still getting the console messages from ipmasq |
| 18:37.58 | mhall | !tell zebalin7 about backports |
| 18:38.03 | dr1v3r | ahhh rite, kewl thanks |
| 18:38.03 | mhall | !tell zebalin7 about sdn |
| 18:38.06 | mhall | !tell zebalin7 about pdo |
| 18:38.09 | just1primate | giving me the IN:eth0 OUT:eth1 |
| 18:38.15 | beered | I have alsa install and it seems that under Debian with new kernel there is a premission error/misconfiguration where only root can run alsa. How do I fix that? |
| 18:38.15 | just1primate | thena all connection stats |
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| 18:38.52 | zebalin7 | mhall: thanks. I'll read up on it. didn't know there was such an archive system. |
| 18:38.56 | jazotic | just1primate: iptables logges with a very high level. Use LOG --log-level=info in your scripts or turn the first number even lower. |
| 18:39.02 | mhall | beered: adduser foo audio |
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| 18:39.19 | cheal | zebalin7: a backport is an unofficial package of a higher version than the version in release foo made to be used (and most importantly installable) in release foo |
| 18:39.54 | beered | whaq: yes, but that's not very clean workaround. Isn't there some alsa config file that I could fix and change 666 prems to something else? |
| 18:40.00 | cheal | zebalin7: but you don't need to know what's a backport to use snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:40.32 | zebalin7 | cheal: I'm on the site now. |
| 18:40.36 | whaq | i work around |
| 18:41.02 | Chance | abrotman can you help me with this issue ? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsocket |
| 18:41.14 | Amarande | you don't really need to use backports with etch, anyway |
| 18:41.25 | mhall | Amarande: he lacks k3b |
| 18:41.29 | Amarande | at least, not in the clunkish way that's used with sarge |
| 18:41.40 | beered | etch == testing ? |
| 18:41.43 | mhall | Amarande: cause it's teh b0rk |
| 18:41.45 | Amarande | with etch, you just add sid as a source and tell apt you want etch to have priority unless you specifically ask for sid |
| 18:41.45 | mhall | beered: yes |
| 18:42.17 | abrotman | Chance: install libsocket? |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | Chance: you're looking for a socket library |
| 18:43.16 | mhall | !tell Chance about pdo.debian.net |
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| 18:43.19 | mhall | !tell Chance about pdo |
| 18:43.25 | dr1v3r | mhall that has not worked |
| 18:43.30 | mhall | dr1v3r: ? |
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| 18:43.43 | jrwr | how do i set where on boot a command is exe |
| 18:43.56 | dr1v3r | fgrep -ir .en /etc/apache/* didnt work, i had to change it to fgrep -ir .en /etc/apache2/* but it didnt work |
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| 18:44.07 | mhall | dr1v3r: well, keep trying |
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| 18:44.30 | dr1v3r | well if it didnt work the forst time it is not going to work the second time |
| 18:44.38 | archangel | how do i figure out whether i will be able to connect to the internet on debian with my computer? |
| 18:44.38 | mhall | dr1v3r: think up something different |
| 18:44.44 | mhall | dr1v3r: be creative |
| 18:44.44 | rikkus | dr1v3r: never worked in tech support eh? |
| 18:44.55 | dr1v3r | i did actually |
| 18:45.02 | mhall | dr1v3r: commands i give should be intepreted as a starting point |
| 18:45.03 | dr1v3r | but i dont wanna brake wnything |
| 18:45.12 | rikkus | ok so have I, and things never work 2nd time |
| 18:45.14 | dr1v3r | *anything |
| 18:45.14 | mhall | grep can't mess anything up |
| 18:45.21 | mhall | cause it only reads stuff |
| 18:45.43 | mhall | writing apache 2 config files is hard |
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| 18:45.53 | mhall | i'm not very good at it yet; neither is #apache afaict |
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| 18:46.07 | ForrestF | how do i set a command to be run at boot |
| 18:46.13 | jazotic | dr1v3r: it's some of the "Options". Multiview maybe. turn it off for that directory. |
| 18:46.25 | Ireul | is anyone playing with doom3??? |
| 18:46.39 | zebalin7 | mhall: on sdn how do you KNOW which version of a package (like k3b) goes with etch I installed this week? There are a zillion versions of this pgm out there! |
| 18:46.43 | beered | I'm searching for a nice movie player. something that would have minimal GUI footprint. Any suggestions? |
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| 18:47.04 | zebalin7 | !sdn |
| 18:47.04 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 18:47.10 | mhall | zebalin7: just use your brain to guess |
| 18:47.18 | mhall | beered: kaffeine? |
| 18:47.19 | ForrestF | beered, MPlayer |
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| 18:47.37 | zebalin7 | mhall: so there is no 'code' or designation. If it works than it was the right choice ???? :-) |
| 18:47.41 | strider_ | beered: vlc as well |
| 18:47.48 | cheal | ForrestF: you could use an init script |
| 18:47.51 | beered | Thanks guys. Let me try those. |
| 18:47.53 | mhall | zebalin7: yeah start with the latest version and work backward if it fucks up |
| 18:47.54 | ForrestF | ??! |
| 18:47.55 | maddog | Good day, I am asking why debian does not boot directly to the gui? |
| 18:48.03 | Chance | abrotman still cant make it work |
| 18:48.13 | Chance | abrotman wich is the package for it ? |
| 18:48.16 | goron | maddog: good day, get a clue. |
| 18:48.17 | mhall | maddog: because many people don't like it |
| 18:48.26 | jazotic | maddog: is X installed? |
| 18:48.29 | abrotman | no idea |
| 18:48.33 | abrotman | !find socket.o sarge |
| 18:48.34 | zebalin7 | I know this is a dumb question, but why not put the old version of KDE into the etch repos????? |
| 18:48.39 | abrotman | !find socket.so sarge |
| 18:48.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'socket.so' returned no results. |
| 18:48.49 | cheal | zebalin7: which old version? |
| 18:48.50 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:48.52 | Chance | it's testing one |
| 18:48.53 | maddog | I do not know. |
| 18:48.55 | Chance | not sarge |
| 18:49.02 | zebalin7 | cheal: the one that works!!! |
| 18:49.04 | Rawplayer | abrotman: prolly in ruby |
| 18:49.10 | cheal | zebalin7: which is? |
| 18:49.18 | ForrestF | so how do i make a init script then |
| 18:49.18 | abrotman | maybe if chance would tell us what he's installing |
| 18:49.23 | zebalin7 | cheal: I donno, but someone must!! |
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| 18:49.30 | maddog | I'm not sure how to ask a question here. |
| 18:49.45 | cheal | ForrestF: did you read /etc/init.d/README ? |
| 18:49.46 | kspath | maddog: Use a ? |
| 18:49.48 | abrotman | maddog: kde or gnome ? |
| 18:49.49 | ForrestF | no, |
| 18:49.50 | jazotic | maddog: use "?" |
| 18:49.50 | sandman | Is it okay to run multiple cron daemons across seperate chroots? |
| 18:49.59 | strider_ | maddog: have you installed X? |
| 18:50.00 | mhall | maddog: get a rabies shot first? |
| 18:50.14 | maddog | I'v tried "?" |
| 18:50.15 | sandman | I was considering running 3 crondaemons @ the same time; one for my rootfs (Debian Stable), one for Debian Sid, and one for Debian Testing. |
| 18:50.21 | abrotman | maddog: kde or gnome ? |
| 18:50.24 | cheal | zebalin7: well, usually newer versions are preferred to old ones |
| 18:50.30 | maddog | not sure |
| 18:50.33 | jazotic | maddog: su; apt-get install gnome |
| 18:50.34 | bbrazil | sandman: I can't think of a reason why not |
| 18:50.37 | dothebart | hy. i've got a question regarding gettext in c-programming. does anyone have a good idea where or whom i could ask it, as this is not directly debian related? |
| 18:50.38 | abrotman | big fucking K .. or a Foot |
| 18:50.38 | maddog | how can i tell? |
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| 18:50.47 | sandman | That will just automatically update Sarge for security, testing for all new stuff, and Unstable for all new stuff. I want a self-breaking sid and etch chroot so I can help |
| 18:50.55 | Amarande | what I never quite get is why cron logs itself as "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in all caps |
| 18:51.03 | maddog | thank you. |
| 18:51.04 | beered | awwww... kaffeine is not in etch repos! |
| 18:51.06 | sandman | That is, I self-breaking such that I may fix them and send patches etc |
| 18:51.09 | mrverbose | anyone familiar with ppp? |
| 18:51.11 | strider_ | dothebart: ##C maybe |
| 18:51.14 | dothebart | some strings that i have really translated won't make it into the output of the programm, though others do... |
| 18:51.30 | Amarande | beered: you need to pull it from sid |
| 18:51.34 | mhall | beered: yohoho and a bottle of rum, over to the sid repo you must come! |
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| 18:51.39 | dothebart | tnx. |
| 18:51.43 | abrotman | beered: or just use xine directly |
| 18:51.44 | mrverbose | i'd like to know what predictor1 and VJ compression are and if they can be used in conjunction with deflate compression ` |
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| 18:51.51 | zebalin7 | beered: try kplayer instead. Works well for me. |
| 18:51.55 | sandman | What's the difference between running cat & sed together, and running awk? |
| 18:52.07 | sandman | They seem to be similar |
| 18:52.12 | mhall | sandman: awk is more powerful |
| 18:52.13 | asg | sandman: awk is more expressive than sed |
| 18:52.14 | beered | zebalin7: kplayer is not in repos either. |
| 18:52.21 | mhall | sandman: we wrote an entire XML processor in awk |
| 18:52.24 | Amarande | sandman: heck, why not just go the whole mile and use perl instead of either :) |
| 18:52.30 | mhall | sandman: also, awk code is easier to read and more maintainable |
| 18:52.32 | r121 | Is there some reason Debian wouldn't let me open my CD drive? |
| 18:52.32 | asg | sandman: also, sed can take stdin directly like awk removing the need for cat(1) entirely |
| 18:52.39 | archangel | is there any way i can install debian on a computer running windows without destroying the windows installation? |
| 18:52.40 | mhall | Amarande: it's not as fast as awk in many cases |
| 18:52.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'socket.o' (2 of 8): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/pcmcia/yenta_socket.o, /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.o) in base/kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-speakup/pcmcia/yenta_socket.o, /lib/modules/2.4.27-speakup/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup. |
| 18:52.42 | beered | Amarande: how safe is to mix repos from sid and etch? |
| 18:52.51 | jazotic | r121: it's mounted. lsof /cdrom |
| 18:52.54 | asg | r121: use 'fuser' or 'lsof' to find what is using the drive |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | beered: just use xine |
| 18:52.58 | Amarande | beered: tends to depend on just what you're pulling from sid |
| 18:52.59 | mrverbose | r121: yes, in case a directory or file is open on that device |
| 18:53.04 | jazotic | r121: lsof | grep /cdrom |
| 18:53.05 | zebalin7 | beered: yes it is. |
| 18:53.12 | sandman | asg: More expressive, meaning more wordy? :) |
| 18:53.13 | Amarande | danger usually occurs when something in sid depends on a ton of package versions that also have to come from sid only |
| 18:53.18 | sandman | asg: Or you mean just more featureful., |
| 18:53.20 | beered | zebalin7: kplayer? |
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| 18:53.25 | mrverbose | r121: a common error is trying to unmount a cd while still beeing in the same directory |
| 18:53.26 | Amarande | and then next thing you have full-blown sid except for some very unhappy etch packages |
| 18:53.31 | sandman | And like Amarande said, why not just go the extra mile and learn Perl? |
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| 18:53.41 | beered | zebalin7: what is it called when u apt-get it? |
| 18:53.45 | sandman | Can't Perl do just about everything? |
| 18:53.46 | asg | sandman: more featureful. These days, if you need the features of awk, you are more likely to use Perl anyway. |
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| 18:53.51 | r121 | jazotic: lsof | grep /cdrom shows nothing |
| 18:53.54 | mhall | sandman: wordiness can be good, it's easier to read |
| 18:54.00 | asg | r121: run it as root |
| 18:54.04 | mhall | asg: i like awk a lot better than perl |
| 18:54.08 | sandman | Okay. Well, that settles that question :) THank you. |
| 18:54.18 | beered | abrotman: I would like to use xine but I can't get it trough etch. It's not there. |
| 18:54.22 | jazotic | r121: where is your cdrom mounted to? |
| 18:54.23 | sandman | And what about Python vs. Perl? I hear Python enforces cleaner code, as it is part of the syntax. |
| 18:54.24 | asg | mhall: I do for a certain set of tasks. |
| 18:54.28 | sandman | Indenting and the like. But that's just what I hear. |
| 18:54.32 | zebalin7 | beered: ooops, I think it is in the marlliat repo, I'll check. It's called kplayer. |
| 18:54.42 | abrotman | beered: it's called xine-ui .. apt-cache search xine |
| 18:54.43 | asg | sandman: it does but we are talking about one-liners here where such things don't matter |
| 18:54.43 | Serajewe1KS | beered: grab it from stable |
| 18:54.43 | Amarande | yah, xine might not be in the main debian archive |
| 18:54.44 | mhall | sandman: well Python's got better GUI |
| 18:54.45 | Amarande | it's not in sid either |
| 18:54.51 | Serajewe1KS | abrotman: xine-ui is not in testing |
| 18:54.54 | mhall | sandman: but Python memory management is kind of bad |
| 18:54.58 | abrotman | Amarande: do you always give out TOTALLY WRONG advice ? |
| 18:55.04 | sandman | mhall: Isn't Perl the most popular? |
| 18:55.08 | r121 | asg: doing it as root shows nothing as well... I believe it's mounted to /cdrom, which points to /media/cdrom0 |
| 18:55.15 | mhall | sandman: popular != best |
| 18:55.16 | abrotman | Serajewe1KS: my totem still works |
| 18:55.25 | asg | r121: try runing 'eject' and see what it says |
| 18:55.25 | beered | Serajewe1KS: I don't like mixing sid and etch... had bad experience. |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | Serajewe1KS: which is pretty darn odd |
| 18:55.30 | mhall | sandman: C is really popular but it's a kludge at many things |
| 18:55.32 | Serajewe1KS | abrotman: totem does not depend on xine-ui |
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| 18:55.38 | sandman | And afaik, Perl has something called a CPAN, which is kind of like a package management system within Perl, but not exactly. It makes perl scripts made by others available, yes? CPAN is kind of a repository for Perl files? |
| 18:55.39 | mhall | sandman: whoever the fuck wrote GTK in C needs to be injured |
| 18:55.43 | abrotman | Serajewe1KS: mine does .. i have totem-xine installed |
| 18:55.50 | mhall | sandman: CPAN is a bad thing on a system with a package manager |
| 18:55.54 | sandman | mhall: Why? lol should it be C++ |
| 18:55.55 | Serajewe1KS | !info xine-ui etch |
| 18:55.59 | abrotman | beered: ok ... then get xine-ui from sarge |
| 18:56.02 | JMTeal | how do i add a script to my startup so it runs automatically if i reboot? |
| 18:56.04 | asg | sandman: CPAN will break Debian quite badly if used as instructed. |
| 18:56.07 | mhall | sandman: you'd think at minimum C++, but no |
| 18:56.12 | abrotman | JMTeal: /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:56.16 | sandman | mhall: heheh |
| 18:56.16 | JMTeal | thx |
| 18:56.26 | mhall | sandman: so it takes billions of lines to do *anything* |
| 18:56.28 | jazotic | JMTeal: man crontab @reboot or /etc/inittab |
| 18:56.40 | r121 | asg: the eject works, thanks! |
| 18:56.41 | asg | r121: you're welcome |
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| 18:56.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: <dpkg> Package 'xine-ui' does not exist. |
| 18:56.41 | sandman | mhall: Nice. |
| 18:56.41 | mhall | sandman: this is why i don't like GTK or GNOME |
| 18:56.41 | sandman | mhall: Reminds me of COBOL |
| 18:56.41 | zebalin7 | beered: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
| 18:56.42 | thorsten | hi...does anyone know where i can get information on which vsync / hsync i've got to use when configuring the xserver on a thinkpad t43? |
| 18:56.45 | beered | zebalin7: ok. ty. |
| 18:56.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i realize that .. use the one from sarge .. works fine .. i'm still using it |
| 18:56.49 | sandman | And I'm sure everyone just loves COBOL |
| 18:56.51 | r121 | but i find it odd that I couldn't just press the eject buttin on the drive |
| 18:56.55 | Amarande | I think some Linux developers are a bit leery of C++ |
| 18:56.55 | mhall | sandman: yes it is to GUI what COBOL is to command line |
| 18:57.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, that's what i told beered. just saying it's not in etch. |
| 18:57.02 | asg | thorsten: try tuxmobile.org for possible configs for that model |
| 18:57.02 | just1primate | what config file takes the place of Xsetup in debian. I want to change the background in my xdm login screen |
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| 18:57.11 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.14 | thorsten | thx, i'll try |
| 18:57.14 | beered | oops |
| 18:57.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm surprised the totem-xine in etch didn't get purged |
| 18:57.17 | Amarande | There tends to be an association in some circles between C++ and Microsoft |
| 18:57.19 | just1primate | Xsetup doesnt exist in /etc/X11/xdm |
| 18:57.21 | sandman | So prelinking doesn't mix with debsums? |
| 18:57.28 | mhall | Amarande: apt-get is in C++ |
| 18:57.35 | mhall | Amarande: the standard is ISO |
| 18:57.40 | sandman | Is perl just as speedy as sed and awk? |
| 18:57.46 | abrotman | Amarande: that is one of the silliest things i've heard |
| 18:57.46 | asg | sandman: it depends on the task |
| 18:57.49 | mhall | sandman: it takes more memory |
| 18:57.53 | sandman | asg: Let's say stream editing |
| 18:57.54 | mhall | sandman: so it takes longer to load |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | C++ existed before MS |
| 18:58.02 | K350 | where if not here --> /proc/ksyms can I check modversion in any linux? |
| 18:58.04 | asg | sandman: awk and sed are faster at what they do. If you need something more complex than what they can provide, Perl is a good tool. |
| 18:58.04 | maddog | archangel: anyone answer you? |
| 18:58.06 | abrotman | wait .. i think .. C++ first draft .. '83 ? |
| 18:58.19 | abrotman | which would be before MS |
| 18:58.20 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 18:58.21 | just1primate | ask! dpkg Xsetup |
| 18:58.23 | sandman | Well, it sounds like sed is the lowest common denominator of the three. |
| 18:58.25 | mhall | abrotman: i think it existed before the first draft |
| 18:58.27 | asg | sandman: it is |
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| 18:58.32 | abrotman | mhall: i realize that |
| 18:58.35 | mhall | sandman: but most people wouldn't use it |
| 18:58.35 | just1primate | tell! just1primate Xsetup |
| 18:58.35 | sandman | awk is more featureful, allows you to write things to a file and run it that way |
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| 18:58.44 | ClayG | is it possible to have working (to the outside world also) subdomains without setting up dns servers? can you have mysite.com , through either entry in the hosts or maybe vhosts, i dunno |
| 18:58.46 | mhall | sandman: because sed is not readable so it's not maintainable |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | mhall: developed in 1983 .. so says wikipedia |
| 18:58.50 | asg | sandman: sed can also take its commands from a file |
| 18:58.53 | sandman | And Perl is the most featureful, allowing you to do a great numbers of things. |
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| 18:58.58 | mhall | abrotman: C With Classes was there even before that |
| 18:59.06 | asg | sandman: sure, some people wrote a window manager in Perl, for instance. |
| 18:59.07 | abrotman | i know .. not the point |
| 18:59.09 | sandman | asg: Okay. Should I just learn all of these things? Or maybe just Perl |
| 18:59.15 | abrotman | i don't know anyone who associates C++ with MS |
| 18:59.17 | sandman | asg: Was it a one-liner? :) |
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| 18:59.20 | mhall | sandman: well, the GAWK manual is really good |
| 18:59.24 | asg | sandman: heh, no. |
| 18:59.32 | jair | guys, if I am configuring a network using a samba server and a windows serve machine as well, in order to the people log in to the domains they need to have the dns running correct? |
| 18:59.35 | mhall | sandman: you probably don't need sed |
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| 18:59.39 | beered | zebalin7: I forgot the player you recommended. what is kplayer? |
| 18:59.39 | asg | sandman: you would be in good shape to learn them all and use the appropriate tool at the right time. |
| 18:59.43 | kspath | sandman: best to learn them all eventually. |
| 18:59.46 | asg | sandman: if you have to learn just one, go with Perl. |
| 18:59.54 | mhall | sandman: http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ |
| 18:59.56 | jair | and the dns have to be running on the same windows machine to make it easier? |
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| 19:00.08 | jair | or I can just set up the dns on a Linux machine |
| 19:00.31 | Matt-H | jair: you need DNS for a Windows domain newer than NT4 to work... should be able to run it on the linux box but never tried mixing in a domain |
| 19:00.35 | mhall | jair: dude, WINDOWS DOMAIN IS NOT INTERNET DOMAIN |
| 19:00.39 | jazotic | jair: apt-get install bind(9) and read the DNS Howto at www.tldp.org |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | or bind9-doc and read the ARM |
| 19:01.03 | jazotic | jair: foret it. |
| 19:01.05 | mhall | something about nicks starting with ja |
| 19:01.08 | jair | jazotic, right |
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| 19:01.20 | asg | mhall: jah love? |
| 19:01.20 | beered | mhall: I found it. :) |
| 19:01.23 | jair | jazotic, so it is a simple network though |
| 19:01.47 | jsizzle | greets, I would like to have the latest firefox but I don't want to compile it, anyone know a line for sources.list so I could apt-get it? |
| 19:01.54 | mhall | beered: found which |
| 19:01.55 | kspath | M$ can stuff their domains and their ideas of implementing standards with bizarre changes/differences. |
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| 19:02.04 | mhall | beered: i got distracted dealing with idiots |
| 19:02.11 | just1primate | jazotic: how do I change the xdm background from the ugly to a solid color or pixmap? |
| 19:02.11 | asg | jsizzle: /msg dpkg backports or download the binaries from mozilla.org and install them in /usr/local |
| 19:02.25 | just1primate | where does the /usr/sbin/xsetroot command go? |
| 19:02.28 | jair | jazotic, I will make the dns and dhcp server running on a windows machine |
| 19:02.28 | oobun2 | Can I x a noob Q? |
| 19:02.33 | abrotman | !wud |
| 19:02.34 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 19:02.34 | mhall | !tell jsizzle about latestr |
| 19:02.36 | mhall | !tell jsizzle about latest |
| 19:02.36 | jimb0 | asg: he's looking for a source |
| 19:02.43 | beered | mhall: I found your player recommendation. |
| 19:02.51 | asg | jimb0: and /msg dpkg backports will provide him with a possible one |
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| 19:02.54 | abrotman | oobun2: you live in the states? |
| 19:02.55 | mhall | beered: kaffeine? |
| 19:02.57 | jazotic | just1primate: don't know. I don't use [gkx]dm. search the startup script and use xsetroot |
| 19:02.58 | grew | omg |
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| 19:03.06 | beered | mhall: yep |
| 19:03.06 | Chance | abrotman what i am trying to install is this: GeoIP-1.3.8 |
| 19:03.12 | oobun2 | How is Debina diff frm Uboontu? |
| 19:03.16 | jair | actually I should do all that on the same server machine but the thing is that I will have a samba server and will be good to have everything running there. DNS and DHCP server |
| 19:03.19 | Chance | abrotman and at the make section it gives me that |
| 19:03.21 | mhall | beered: w00t, it's a pretty nice Xine interface; also try vlc; i'm *not* a fan of mplayer but i keep it around for real weird files |
| 19:03.22 | jazotic | jair: what do you want here then? |
| 19:03.26 | abrotman | Chance: gives you what? |
| 19:03.31 | asg | oobun2: Debian users can generally spell better? |
| 19:03.40 | zebalin7 | beered: kplayer is in the nerim repos. Works very, very well in etch. |
| 19:03.42 | archangel | okay, so a pentium-II 477mhz with 6gig hard drive and 128mb RAM will run a debian desktop? |
| 19:03.43 | mhall | !ops oobun2 is a troll |
| 19:03.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: oobun2 is a troll |
| 19:03.46 | Chance | abrotman /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsocket |
| 19:03.50 | abrotman | he's from the states .. presumably he goes to english class .. |
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| 19:04.05 | jair | jazotic, ok I have a windows server where people log normally but they do not have dhcp or dns running. |
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| 19:04.14 | wireddd | is there some kind of 3d cad like program I could use to design a desk with? |
| 19:04.14 | oobun2 | !ops mhall is a troll |
| 19:04.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: mhall is a troll |
| 19:04.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: english class is overrated |
| 19:04.16 | abrotman | Chance: apt-cache search socket library . find the one it's looking for |
| 19:04.21 | JMTeal | ok so instead of me wading thru 3MB of text, could someone just tell me how to add a script to the startup? |
| 19:04.21 | beered | zebalin7: I have kplayer. It has a little bloated interface I think. I'm in fluxbox and like to have something real minimalistic. |
| 19:04.22 | ronin | abrotman: looks like they need to go back to school too |
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| 19:04.31 | jazotic | jair: not my fault :) |
| 19:04.39 | jair | jazotic, so I will have a samba server configure for them, but I would like that they just use the machine as workgroup instead domains. |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | ronin: or just to school :) |
| 19:04.44 | asg | JMTeal: man update-rc.d |
| 19:04.47 | zebalin7 | beered: I use kplayer for streaming audio as well as mpg video. Will it work in flux? It's abasically a kde app (hense the 'k'). |
| 19:04.48 | mhall | oobun2: dude, just leave |
| 19:04.48 | jair | jazotic, I know |
| 19:05.01 | jair | jazotic, I am just sharing some points of view |
| 19:05.02 | mhall | zebalin7: yeah the kde apps work |
| 19:05.06 | Chance | abrotman this one is ok ? libdmsocket-0.32.5-0 - socket utility library -- runtime libraries |
| 19:05.09 | asg | JMTeal: or, if that's too much, ln -s /etc/init.d/foo /etc/rc2.d/S99foo |
| 19:05.19 | oobun2 | Is debina better than ubuntoo? |
| 19:05.19 | jimb0 | anyone know how to find the complete character set that can be used when setting a password with passwd? the man doesnt help, and its tough to find on google. |
| 19:05.21 | beered | zebalin7: yes, it works. you just need to fetch some klib's. |
| 19:05.21 | mhall | JMTeal: what do you want it to do |
| 19:05.22 | zebalin7 | mhall: I know they work ok in IceWM, but didn't know about flux. |
| 19:05.24 | jazotic | jair: install samba and use it. no problem. |
| 19:05.26 | ronin | oobun2: yes it is |
| 19:05.27 | asg | oobun2: yes, now go away |
| 19:05.31 | kspath | oobun2: if your question was real: http://www.debian.org http://www.ubuntu.com |
| 19:05.34 | JMTeal | just run a bash script to star some bots |
| 19:05.34 | jair | jazotic, I think I can run a dhcp server from the linux server that will have samba running on it as well. |
| 19:05.45 | mhall | oobun2: we don't know, we never used debina or ubuntoo |
| 19:05.45 | jazotic | jair: sure. |
| 19:05.56 | mhall | !ops please send oobun2 packing |
| 19:05.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please send oobun2 packing |
| 19:05.58 | Yaohua2000 | Google.com was *banned* by by China Telecom, about 4 hours ago. |
| 19:06.04 | mhall | for the love of $DEITY |
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| 19:06.05 | jair | jazotic, so I do not need the dns right if I will not have a AD running |
| 19:06.07 | zebalin7 | beered: like all kde apps, kplayer is bloated. You might want to use xine directly... but I've never done so so I'm no help. |
| 19:06.08 | asg | mhall: isn't debina some poofy European fruit beverage? |
| 19:06.08 | oobun2 | how - arn't they the same distro? |
| 19:06.13 | asg | oobun2: no |
| 19:06.17 | azeem | oobun2: this is off topic here |
| 19:06.23 | JMTeal | just run a bash script to star some bots |
| 19:06.25 | azeem | oobun2: if you have a Debian specific question, please ask |
| 19:06.26 | asg | oobun2: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 19:06.30 | asg | JMTeal: I told you |
| 19:06.33 | asg | JMTeal: or, if that's too much, ln -s /etc/init.d/foo /etc/rc2.d/S99foo |
| 19:06.34 | mhall | Yaohua2000: i thought they whored themselves out to the government to avoid that |
| 19:06.37 | sandman | Okay, so I've got these chroots.. apparently, my system wants to run a mta for each chroot. |
| 19:06.43 | beered | zebalin7: I heard so much about xine and want to try it out, but xine-ui is not in etch repos. |
| 19:06.43 | sandman | WOn't this conflict? |
| 19:06.45 | JMTeal | right... somebody asked what i wanted to do.. |
| 19:06.46 | sandman | I'll have 3 MTAs running on the same system. |
| 19:06.51 | sandman | And I think they might try to listen on the same ports |
| 19:06.52 | asg | sandman: it will if they all want to listen on port 25 |
| 19:07.02 | JMTeal | so why rc2.d? |
| 19:07.05 | Chance | abrotman humm not working |
| 19:07.09 | jazotic | jair: to just use samba as a workgoup server, no. why? |
| 19:07.16 | SerajewelKS | beered: i keep telling you.. GET IT FROM STABLE |
| 19:07.20 | asg | JMTeal: because that's Debian's default runlevel which you would have known had you read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:07.22 | kspath | oobun2: Read EVERTYING on http://www.debian.org and then everything at http://www.ubuntu.com then take 3 days of meditation and then consider thinking. |
| 19:07.24 | ForrestF | im very lost about int.d |
| 19:07.27 | oobun2 | ubuntu.com says its better |
| 19:07.28 | mhall | beered: just find another copy, what the fuck |
| 19:07.34 | asg | oobun2: then go use it |
| 19:07.37 | jair | jazotic, for now |
| 19:07.38 | mhall | oobun2: please stop trolling |
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| 19:07.46 | ronin | oobun2: then run that one |
| 19:07.46 | mhall | oobun2: it won't work and we don't want to hear it |
| 19:07.46 | sandman | asg: So when I'm configuring exim4, and it asks me what IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections, I should enter 127.0.0.1:10025, for examploe? |
| 19:07.48 | abrotman | Chance: you can't find a single socket library? |
| 19:07.52 | sandman | example, that is. |
| 19:07.56 | beered | SerajewelKS: :) I heard you. I'm doing that right now. |
| 19:07.57 | jair | jazotic, but I will eventually change it from a file server to a Domain Controller |
| 19:08.05 | asg | sandman: you could; it depends on what you are using the chroots for |
| 19:08.07 | beered | mhall: I'll get it from stable :) |
| 19:08.12 | jimb0 | anyone know how to find the complete character set that can be used when setting a password with passwd? the man doesnt help, and its tough to find on google. |
| 19:08.13 | mhall | beered: finally |
| 19:08.16 | JMTeal | nah... that README just tells me to read debian-policy |
| 19:08.18 | Chance | abrotman i did searched for it but it ain't good |
| 19:08.18 | beered | mhall: LOL |
| 19:08.19 | kspath | oobun2: You are obviously confused and need to start reading a lot of information at those sites and/or join #ubuntu this is NOT their channel. |
| 19:08.20 | Amarande | err, oobun2 |
| 19:08.21 | sandman | asg: I just want the chroots to fix sid as it breaks and send bugreports. |
| 19:08.26 | asg | JMTeal: then read debian-policy |
| 19:08.28 | Amarande | so you expect a distro site to claim that another distro is better? :) |
| 19:08.33 | sandman | asg: That is, have sid on an automatic update cronjob |
| 19:08.36 | zebalin7 | While we are on topix of video, there is some deb for non-mpeg files.... the formats that Win uses, Q.Time, etc. What the heck is it? |
| 19:08.36 | Amarande | every distro is going to, if it has an opinion at all, claim it's better |
| 19:08.37 | JMTeal | yeah.. MBs of text... |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | Chance: i have no idea which library is -lsocket .. |
| 19:08.40 | JMTeal | like i said |
| 19:08.44 | sandman | asg: And as it breaks itself, I'll go in and fix it. Like say in the morning when I have my coffee :) |
| 19:08.46 | oobun2 | kspath: i want a balanced opinin |
| 19:08.49 | zebalin7 | !codec |
| 19:08.53 | JMTeal | this channel is for help not redirection right? |
| 19:08.54 | abrotman | oobun2: GO AWAY .. it's offtopic here |
| 19:09.02 | JMTeal | like... you can ask questions and such? |
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| 19:09.03 | SerajewelKS | oobun2: and you want that from debian? that would hardly be balanced. |
| 19:09.07 | mhall | Chance: usr/lib/ctrlproxy/libsocket.so |
| 19:09.07 | asg | JMTeal: we help by redirecting you to the documentation. |
| 19:09.09 | sandman | asg: Actually come to think of it, I don't really need an MTA for each chroot. Each chroot will send mail using sendmail, right? |
| 19:09.09 | jazotic | jair: don't know. but usually there's nothing wrong with it. You can even later. Why should your DNS become invalid? |
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| 19:09.12 | mhall | Chance: try the ctrlproxy package |
| 19:09.13 | asg | sandman: no, you don't |
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| 19:09.20 | strider_ | zebalin7: w32codecs from maillat |
| 19:09.21 | qc | Hey, how can i install oss on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:09.22 | mhall | Chance: but it seems obscure, so, no idea if it works |
| 19:09.31 | asg | sandman: it will, just configure each chroot accordingly but have them not start exim4 |
| 19:09.33 | jazotic | qc: it's in 2,4 |
| 19:09.35 | strider_ | zebalin7: *marillat |
| 19:09.41 | qc | how do i enable it |
| 19:09.43 | zebalin7 | strider_: YES, that's it. My brain has turned into green Jello today!! |
| 19:09.53 | mhall | qc: debian kernel? |
| 19:09.53 | zebalin7 | I need to get this one. |
| 19:09.56 | sandman | asg: WHen I boot, nothing in the chroots is going to be run anyway, right? |
| 19:09.59 | strider_ | !tell zebalin7 about marillat |
| 19:10.01 | mhall | qc: modprobe the modules for your card |
| 19:10.05 | qc | i have a OSS file placed in moduitls |
| 19:10.07 | asg | sandman: right |
| 19:10.10 | sandman | asg: But I'm doing my initial dist-upgrade to sid from sarge right now in one of my chroots. |
| 19:10.13 | mhall | qc: for this, lspci is helpful if it's not an oldass isa card |
| 19:10.16 | sandman | I would expect taht many services will start. |
| 19:10.20 | jazotic | qc: be sure the module you want is in /var/modules/<kernelver>/kernel/sound and load it. |
| 19:10.21 | asg | sandman: from sid to sarge? or from sarge to sid? |
| 19:10.23 | sandman | Is there a way to blanket-stop all services in the chroot? |
| 19:10.24 | mhall | qc: it might not be loading the right stuff; the mixer might be off |
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| 19:10.31 | beered | WOOOOOWWWWW... xine is the nicest cleanest (IMO) player. It 'skins' beautifuly with fluxbox. |
| 19:10.33 | sandman | asg: Sarge to Sid |
| 19:10.36 | sandman | asg: Of course :) |
| 19:10.39 | sandman | asg: I'm not that crazy |
| 19:10.46 | mhall | sandman: shutdown? |
| 19:10.48 | asg | sandman: :) |
| 19:10.50 | qc | i dont nkow how tat sht works |
| 19:10.51 | jazotic | qc: forget about modutils. you shouldn't touch this file. |
| 19:10.52 | qc | but |
| 19:11.05 | mhall | qc: toughen up |
| 19:11.17 | zebalin7 | strider_: yes, I know about nerrim/marlliat. I get acroread from there and a few other nice apps. |
| 19:11.22 | qc | i have read on the internet i should put a file with the the parameters and update or something |
| 19:11.23 | oobun2 | so Debina is like Ub. but less user frendly? |
| 19:11.32 | strider_ | zebalin7: ah, great then ;) |
| 19:11.42 | jazotic | qc: don't believe everything you read on internet. |
| 19:11.42 | sandman | mhall: From the chroot? |
| 19:11.44 | SerajewelKS | oobun2: that depends on what kind of user you are |
| 19:11.46 | sandman | mhall: Won't that shutdown the entire system? |
| 19:11.47 | qc | yeah but |
| 19:11.53 | mhall | somebody please remove the great thorn of oobun2 from our collective sides |
| 19:12.02 | thingfish | I'd second that. |
| 19:12.03 | sandman | oobun2: If you're a poweruser, Ub is more user-friendly. |
| 19:12.03 | qc | it was a explanation for the laptop model i have |
| 19:12.11 | sandman | Err, |
| 19:12.14 | sandman | Debian is, rather. |
| 19:12.14 | SerajewelKS | sandman: ??? wtf! |
| 19:12.17 | sandman | Don't talk about Ubuntu here. |
| 19:12.18 | oobun2 | sandman: i am |
| 19:12.22 | Amarande | heck, just pronounce his nick. i think that's an Olog-hai. |
| 19:12.24 | SerajewelKS | sandman: better =) |
| 19:12.26 | sandman | Ubuntu makes me want to poop. It's a splitter |
| 19:12.26 | asg | oobun2: Ubuntu is a copy of Debian's unstable distribution frozen at 6 months intervals and then patched. It isn't Debian since Debian is constantly evolving. |
| 19:12.44 | jazotic | qc: it's unique on all systems. modprob e it the right way -- if it work's well look further |
| 19:12.57 | oobun2 | asg: i c |
| 19:13.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 853] by debhelper |
| 19:13.02 | sandman | oobun2: In fact, Ubuntu is crap. I've used it. If you want something like that, you probably would have liked Mandrake, as well as sleeping on a bed of nails. |
| 19:13.23 | qc | http://web.archive.org/web/20030817122834/http://www.teambarker.co.uk/art/7730/ i found it here, but i tried everything to get it work thats why i want to try the website thinie |
| 19:13.24 | mhall | sandman: i guess since there's only one copy of init, it would shut down the whole box |
| 19:13.34 | asg | oobun2: the point-and-click crowd seem to like it. Give it a try; give Debian a try. You decide. |
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| 19:13.49 | sandman | mhall: Yeah. Only one init runs. shutdown.sh, run from whatever chroot, will still send the same command to init. |
| 19:13.49 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:13.50 | asg | mhall: unless he's using grsecurity patches |
| 19:13.50 | qc | ubuntu is annoying |
| 19:13.55 | jsizzle | is it possible to make quicktime web video work in firefox? how? |
| 19:13.56 | qc | even knoppix was better then that |
| 19:13.56 | oobun2 | sandman: u just said U was better 4 power users |
| 19:14.01 | Amarande | how do I resist the constant temptation to go back to windows XP for better gaming support? |
| 19:14.01 | sandman | mhall: I wish there was an /etc/init.d/stopEverrything script |
| 19:14.09 | sandman | oobun2: U is worse for power users. |
| 19:14.10 | asg | sandman: it's easy to make |
| 19:14.11 | basix | yeah fedora, gentoo, *bsd all suck too! |
| 19:14.12 | jazotic | qc: if modprobe <module> <parameter> alone doesn't do -- bad luck! |
| 19:14.12 | ronin | Amarande: get a game console |
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| 19:14.15 | sandman | asg: Aye. |
| 19:14.17 | zebalin7 | qc: ubuntu is nice, kubuntu is crap IMO. |
| 19:14.23 | mhall | SerajewelKS: send your vote to eeyore- ;-) |
| 19:14.23 | oobun2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.25 | epsilon | sandman: called "init 1" |
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| 19:14.26 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: install cedega |
| 19:14.41 | qc | how do i know what module i need? |
| 19:14.43 | asg | basix: the BSDs are great. Are you just making silly blanket statements or do you have any supporting facts? |
| 19:14.46 | epsilon | sandman: and just link to stop all in rc.1 |
| 19:14.53 | adii | hello |
| 19:14.58 | mhall | !stop a distro war |
| 19:15.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:15.12 | asg | mhall: the BSDs aren't distros :p |
| 19:15.13 | SerajewelKS | !sunday |
| 19:15.13 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:15.20 | mhall | </distro_war> |
| 19:15.21 | qc | i got as far as finding the right thing in alsaconf and then failing with insmod |
| 19:15.23 | epsilon | .oO (Ubuntu!) |
| 19:15.27 | mhall | !lart asg |
| 19:15.27 | jazotic | qc: depends on you soundcard/chip. datasheet, also read /usr/src/<kernel>/Documentation/sound |
| 19:15.28 | epsilon | *runaway* |
| 19:15.36 | oobun2 | !start a distro war |
| 19:15.36 | asg | hahahahaha |
| 19:15.36 | dpkg | Progeny rox0rz! |
| 19:15.37 | sandman | oobun2: That was a mistake. Look, I don't care. |
| 19:15.42 | sandman | oobun2: You're going to hear what you want to hear. |
| 19:15.48 | qc | but its a fricking laptop .. |
| 19:15.59 | basix | asg, it was a saracastic statement |
| 19:16.08 | kspath | !!lart mhall |
| 19:16.09 | mhall | !ops please get rid of oobun2 already, for the love of $DEITY |
| 19:16.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please get rid of oobun2 already, for the love of $DEITY |
| 19:16.11 | sandman | oobun2: But don't forget, I also said: Ubuntu makes me want to poop. So if you need more regularity, use Ubuntu. |
| 19:16.11 | adii | look : i've just installed etch and i'm trying to have some tv tuner work with it. unfortunately it seems that bttv patch isn't enabled in the kernel. Should i recompile the kernel to change this option? |
| 19:16.20 | qc | btw forget going in the bios cause i need special software to get the bios partition back |
| 19:16.34 | oobun2 | sandman: the 1st or 2nd - which was a mistake ? do u know what a freudian slip means? |
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| 19:16.44 | SerajewelKS | !moron oobun2 |
| 19:16.44 | dpkg | oobun2: You are moron #46 |
| 19:16.46 | sandman | oobun2: Yeah. I know what one is. |
| 19:16.47 | azeem | oobun2, sandman: please take this to a private conversation |
| 19:16.53 | Amarande | !lart oobun2 |
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| 19:17.03 | sandman | Actually, I'm just going to stop talking about it if you don't mind. |
| 19:17.06 | azeem | how about we stop abusing the bot? |
| 19:17.18 | beered | adii: what kernel version? |
| 19:17.19 | qc | !abuse |
| 19:17.19 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 19:17.20 | jazotic | qc: there are soundcard's that claim to be soundblaster-compatible. Most of them are _not_. There are two or three you could try. sb will likely do, as it noted on the site you looked. |
| 19:17.30 | adii | beered, 2.6.something |
| 19:17.47 | adii | 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 19:18.19 | qc | wel i tried that, in alsaconf it comes to a section where it modprobes all cards with sb8 it was "FOUND!!" |
| 19:18.29 | beered | adii: did you check kernel release notes to make sure that all patches made it trough? |
| 19:18.35 | qc | but before setting volume it failes to insmod |
| 19:18.46 | qc | and it wont go further then settint default volumes |
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| 19:18.58 | rend | whats the name of the terminal mouse app? |
| 19:19.02 | jazotic | qc: what now? also or oss? volume comes after te card works. dmesg will show success. |
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| 19:19.04 | rend | i mean mouse driver |
| 19:19.28 | qc | alsa did that automatticely |
| 19:19.39 | jazotic | rend: gmp or gpm or ..? |
| 19:19.43 | adii | beered, on every website i've looked, it is said that kernel 2.2 and newer included this patch |
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| 19:19.55 | oobun2 | so u claim Debina is better, and #ubuntoo claim otherwise. whom should we believe. somebody's lying, but #debina is sure more insecure psycologicaly |
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| 19:19.59 | jazotic | qc: sure, but it won't help if the soundcard doesn't work. |
| 19:20.02 | rend | ahh gpm |
| 19:20.04 | qc | it said he found it, it setting up some thinges, fails insmod and is setting default volumes |
| 19:20.04 | rend | thanks |
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| 19:20.28 | qc | so i really dont know how t get this working now... |
| 19:20.29 | jazotic | qc: but you sait dmesg shows errors. |
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| 19:20.37 | jazotic | s/sait/said/ |
| 19:20.50 | qc | well alsaconf said that, and dmesg says: |
| 19:21.01 | azeem | oobun2: please take this elsewhere, thanks |
| 19:21.01 | oobun2 | !start a distro war |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | Rock 0wnz! |
| 19:21.05 | Rawplayer | k |
| 19:21.10 | ronin | oobun2: neither are lying, its all what you want in a distro but you know that |
| 19:21.10 | beered | adii: grep bbtv /boot/config-your.kernel.version |
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| 19:21.12 | mhall | !ops please, please, please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, kick oobun2 |
| 19:21.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: please, please, please, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, kick oobun2 |
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| 19:21.22 | azeem | mhall: /ignore |
| 19:21.33 | qc | Sound Blaster soundcard not found or device busy |
| 19:21.43 | mhall | azeem: i can't ignore half the channel when this asshat starts a distro war |
| 19:21.56 | oobun2 | !ops mhall is a troll |
| 19:21.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: mhall is a troll |
| 19:21.57 | kspath | !bsdsmite kspath |
| 19:22.02 | jazotic | qc: busy would mean there's a module alright using it. Not fout .. guess. |
| 19:22.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 19:22.08 | sandman | mhall: I'm sure you were there once. Trying to figure it all out. Remember that this is the next generation of the human race. Yes, they suck, but we were there once, too. |
| 19:22.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=t@*.sd.sd.cox.net] by azeem |
| 19:22.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 19:22.18 | azeem | oobun2: 1. do not abuse the bot |
| 19:22.19 | just1primate | jazotic: xdm solution.....used gdm |
| 19:22.21 | just1primate | lol |
| 19:22.27 | beered | adii: is this a custom kernel? |
| 19:22.29 | qc | but xmms doesnt work too |
| 19:22.33 | _eLMo_ | abrotman: quick question, when in aptitude, how can I see wich programs are broken ? |
| 19:22.34 | qc | and mixers doestn work |
| 19:22.36 | mhall | azeem: thanks, may i buy you some beer |
| 19:22.39 | jazotic | just1primate: all right, too :) |
| 19:22.41 | azeem | oobun2: 2. do not discuss inter distro things in here |
| 19:22.44 | jazotic | qc: sure. |
| 19:22.46 | kspath | I had that oobun2 thing on ignore. Much more quiet that way. |
| 19:22.53 | azeem | oobun2: you have been silenced for 10 minutes, think about it |
| 19:22.56 | mhall | kspath: yeah but he started a distro war |
| 19:22.57 | qc | also it says: sb: can't grab irq 65535 |
| 19:23.05 | mhall | kspath: that can't be /ignored |
| 19:23.08 | azeem | mhall: you called the ops after he said one line |
| 19:23.11 | mhall | kspath: if it wasn't for that i wouldn't ask |
| 19:23.23 | jazotic | qc: have you tried "acpi=off" or "acpi=force"? |
| 19:23.28 | mhall | azeem: forgive my over-reaction, i was just very afraid of where it would go |
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| 19:23.38 | qc | no |
| 19:23.42 | sandman | Do I want a system-logger to be running in each chroot? |
| 19:23.43 | jazotic | qc: do so. |
| 19:23.44 | qc | but it isnt pci |
| 19:23.48 | mhall | azeem: and i have to say i feel at least slightly vindicated that it actually did go that direction |
| 19:23.51 | qc | i think its isa |
| 19:23.51 | beered | I have totem installed. When I apt-get remove it it gives me an error message that it isn't installed. Yet when I type 'totem' in the term it opens just fine.... how do I find true name for dpkg name for this app? |
| 19:23.58 | mhall | azeem: but at the same time, i apologize |
| 19:24.03 | kspath | mhall: I was not saying he should not be blocked/kicked. Just telling others that ignore can be effective for seeing only the useful discussion and humans that need help. |
| 19:24.05 | jazotic | qc: doesn't matter. it may be a wrongly assigned IRQ line. |
| 19:24.15 | adii | beered, my kernel is not custom, it's just out of the nice debian pack |
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| 19:24.21 | qc | should i do force or off |
| 19:24.21 | asg | sandman: that depends on the chroot. You can have the host syslog create /dev/log in each chroot and use it if you wish |
| 19:24.25 | azeem | mhall: at least I don't tend to ban people before doing an honest effort |
| 19:24.27 | mhall | kspath: true enough |
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| 19:24.41 | sandman | Is there a quick-and-dirty method to building a vserver? |
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| 19:24.42 | strider_ | beered: try totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 19:24.45 | sandman | I'd like to do that instead. |
| 19:24.46 | kspath | it was not looking for help but rather looking for trouble it seems/seemed. |
| 19:24.50 | qc | done force |
| 19:24.51 | sandman | Have a sid-vserver, and a testing vserver |
| 19:24.54 | jazotic | qc: if on, use off, if off use force and use a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:24.54 | mhall | azeem: understandable; it's just, having been here since 1998, this kind of thing is very offensive to me |
| 19:25.01 | zebalin7 | I tried to install backport of k3b from sdn via kpackage. Got dependecny errors. I thought kpackage would handle those?? |
| 19:25.01 | RetroJ | hi. I'm a debian newbie, and I am having difficulty with exim4-daemon-heavy, and am not sure where to look for help. are there package specific forms or newsgroups? |
| 19:25.03 | beered | adii: well, check if you have bbtv module loaded. if not, you need to compile it. lsmod | grep bttv |
| 19:25.07 | mhall | azeem: sometimes when i'm in a bad mood i get... a little hyper about it |
| 19:25.15 | beered | strider_: ah, yes. thanks! |
| 19:25.16 | ringo999 | how can i see if alsa is running? |
| 19:25.17 | azeem | mhall: I can understand, but you behaviour might be strange to newcomers as well |
| 19:25.22 | asg | RetroJ: if it's an exim specific problem try #exim |
| 19:25.29 | mhall | azeem: i don't think he was a newcomer |
| 19:25.30 | azeem | well, some people's at least, not picking on you directly |
| 19:25.35 | mhall | azeem: he used start a distro war |
| 19:25.36 | qc | both show no difference |
| 19:25.36 | asg | RetroJ: if it's specific to Debian's packaging of exim, feel free to ask here |
| 19:25.37 | ringo999 | strider_: as i have reinstalled everything i need to get alsa back running |
| 19:25.54 | madradrone | RetroJ: /usr/share/doc/exim* |
| 19:25.57 | strider_ | ringo999: the same thing again |
| 19:25.58 | mhall | azeem: i think it was a very deliberate planned trolling, the nickname, the misspellings, the idiotic responses |
| 19:26.02 | jazotic | qc: use 2.6 anyway -- they have switched from oss to alsa. and alsa "should" do with most cards... have a look at their homepage about your scard |
| 19:26.07 | mhall | azeem: too moronic to be real |
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| 19:26.09 | adii | beered bttv is not loaded but i have no clue on how to compile that |
| 19:26.10 | strider_ | !tell ringo999 about alsa one-liner |
| 19:26.11 | thingfish | I think so too, mhall. |
| 19:26.22 | dsherret | how can i find out what graphics card I have? |
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| 19:26.25 | thingfish | the nick was a clear giveaway, I thought. |
| 19:26.26 | qc | how to switch to 2.6 and wont it affect my speed |
| 19:26.30 | qc | its 166 mhz |
| 19:26.32 | asg | dsherret: lspci usually will tell you |
| 19:26.37 | dsherret | asg: thanks |
| 19:26.39 | MrHart | can someone help me to get the cdrom drive running? file:/mnt/cdrom1 does not exist |
| 19:26.43 | beered | adii: its easy. just follow this howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
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| 19:27.15 | adii | beered, for your totem thing, have you tried dpkg -l | grep totem |
| 19:27.20 | qc | anyone? |
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| 19:27.46 | jazotic | qc: this ist the line from my lovely toshiba with a isa soundcard. it won't work if just _one_ option is missing. |
| 19:27.47 | RetroJ | asg, I think it has more to do with debian than with exim. from what I have read, the output of "exim4 -bV" should contain "Contains: exiscan-acl" but it does not. I have tried the exim4-daemon-heavy package from both stable and testing. any advice? |
| 19:27.47 | asg | qc: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install a suitable one from the list presented) |
| 19:27.48 | madradrone | MrHart: does the mount command show anything currently mounted at /mnt/cdrom0? |
| 19:27.50 | jazotic | qc: snd-opl3sa2 dma1=1 dma2=0 irq=5 midi_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 wss_port=0x530 sb_port=0x220 port=0x370 opl3sa3_ymode=3 |
| 19:27.51 | jazotic | snd_mixer_oss |
| 19:27.58 | beered | adii: yep. that worked nicley. |
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| 19:28.32 | qc | what to do with that stuff |
| 19:28.34 | zebalin7 | What went wrong here with dpkg -i : http://pastebin.com/540483 |
| 19:28.41 | qc | \modprobe and paste behind? |
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| 19:29.10 | asg | RetroJ: Debian's packaging may not have that output in it. Check /usr/share/doc/exim4-daemon-heavy/* to see if there is any mention of it. |
| 19:29.23 | RetroJ | asg, okay, thank you |
| 19:29.26 | archangel | what part of my computer has to be compatible with debian in order for me to connect to the internet? |
| 19:29.27 | asg | RetroJ: you're welcome |
| 19:29.40 | SerajewelKS | archangel: what? is that an honest question? |
| 19:29.42 | asg | archangel: the Ethernet card or Modem |
| 19:29.47 | jazotic | qc: it won't help you. i just posted it that you can see the difficulties i had get mine working. however, I had a bios to look at these parameters. |
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| 19:30.33 | qc | il install 2.6 |
| 19:30.48 | archangel | asg: thanks, how do i determine whether or not it will be compatible with debian? (sorry, i know i'm asking very ignorant questions) |
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| 19:31.00 | qc | what is the latest version number for 386? |
| 19:31.05 | swatikiss | how can i get transparency / shading in xorg? |
| 19:31.10 | asg | archangel: what kind of Internet connection do you have? |
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| 19:31.23 | asg | qc: for what Debian version? |
| 19:31.31 | tgwj | swatikiss what windows manager are you using ? |
| 19:31.32 | madradrone | swatikiss: transset |
| 19:31.32 | qc | how do i check that? |
| 19:31.36 | archangel | asg: my computer's hooked up through a router to a cable modem. |
| 19:31.40 | asg | qc: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:31.41 | zebalin7 | So much for trying a backport to etch: http://pastebin.com/540483 Anyone have a clue? Do I have to install all these libs????? |
| 19:31.42 | Zugschlus | RetroJ: that feature set is called "Content_Scanning" starting exim4 4.50 |
| 19:31.50 | Zugschlus | and it is present in exim4-daemon-heavy |
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| 19:31.55 | basix | swatikiss, enable extensions |
| 19:32.12 | asg | archangel: oh, then that will be ethernet. does '/sbin/ifconfig -a' show an entry for eth0? |
| 19:32.13 | abrotman | zebalin7: apt-get -f install ? |
| 19:32.19 | qc | 3.1 |
| 19:32.23 | tgwj | swatikiss |
| 19:32.31 | asg | qc: then the latest 2.6 kernel in stable is 2.6.8 |
| 19:32.46 | qc | 2.6.8-386? |
| 19:32.52 | beered | Anybody knows if there support for WPA2 in ipw2200? |
| 19:32.58 | asg | qc: for x86 systems |
| 19:33.03 | zebalin7 | abrotman: I am fearful of a forced install.... not knowing what I may break. |
| 19:33.09 | madradrone | swatikiss: plus add Option "Composite" "Enable" to Extensions stanza in xorg.conf |
| 19:33.13 | tgwj | swatikiss http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency |
| 19:33.15 | asg | qc: there's also -686 for newer pentiums and -kX for Athlons, etc. |
| 19:33.18 | archangel | asg: i haven't even burned an install disc yet. i'm reading the installation manual as i go and trying to gather as much information as possible before i destroy my windows installation by partitioning |
| 19:33.46 | asg | archangel: oh, then look for the Ethernet card in the Control Panel / Hardware display and tell us what it is. |
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| 19:34.13 | Brydenn | ok so i'm a total newbie |
| 19:34.25 | Brydenn | how do i run KDE on debian? |
| 19:34.30 | asg | Brydenn: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 19:34.44 | jazotic | Brydenn: do you have a graphical login? |
| 19:34.47 | asg | Brydenn: also, consult #debian-kde |
| 19:34.58 | Brydenn | jazotic: no its just command after install |
| 19:34.58 | madradrone | swatikiss: also run xcompmgr |
| 19:35.07 | Brydenn | i just installed Debian 3.1 |
| 19:35.19 | Brydenn | no GUI |
| 19:35.24 | Brydenn | but i want KDE hehe |
| 19:35.33 | asg | !tell Brydenn about install kde |
| 19:35.41 | jazotic | Brydenn: if you don't want a graph. login put the startupcommand in your ~/.xsession. else install gdm or kdm and KDE. |
| 19:35.45 | madradrone | Brydenn: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 19:35.52 | asg | jazotic: he hasn't installed it yet |
| 19:36.00 | zebalin7 | Brydenn: just do, as root, apt-get install kde |
| 19:36.03 | RetroJ | Zugschlus: thank you, I will look that up |
| 19:36.05 | jazotic | asg: see |
| 19:36.36 | Brydenn | so become root and type "apt-get install kde" |
| 19:36.41 | Brydenn | and then it'll install itself |
| 19:36.49 | jazotic | Brydenn: jepp |
| 19:36.53 | archangel | asg: i'm not getting a hardware icon in the control panel. i'm on XP SP2, if it matters. |
| 19:37.05 | Brydenn | and that's all? it'll boot to KDE on ever start up after that? |
| 19:37.12 | Zugschlus | RetroJ: you're welcome |
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| 19:37.24 | asg | archangel: it might be right-click My Computer, Properties. I can't remember, I don't use Windows very often. |
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| 19:37.59 | strider_ | archangel: what asg said and in hardware-> device manager or something close to it |
| 19:38.06 | jazotic | Brydenn: there will be a graphical login after boot. there you can choose you favorite (KDE or gnome or..) |
| 19:38.20 | Brydenn | ok, thanks jazotic |
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| 19:38.37 | Brydenn | so i gotta ask now |
| 19:38.45 | Brydenn | debian better than ubuntu :) |
| 19:38.46 | archangel | asg: VIA Rhine III Ethernet Adapter. is that what you're looking for? |
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| 19:39.15 | asg | archangel: yeah. That should be supported. |
| 19:39.27 | archangel | asg: thanks a lot, i appreciate your help. |
| 19:40.02 | asg | archangel: you're welcome. When you install Debian, use the 'linux26' boot option to use a 2.6 kernel. I'm not sure if the default 2.4 install kernel supports that card. |
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| 19:40.54 | MrHart | file:/mnt/cdrom1 does not exist, what do I need to do? |
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| 19:41.03 | archangel | asg: thanks, i'll remember that |
| 19:41.31 | swatikiss | madradrone, when i run xcompmgr, it says that no composite extension |
| 19:41.45 | jazotic | MrHart: cd /mnt; mkdir cdrom1. also be sure you have correctly linked the drive to the entry in fstab |
| 19:41.56 | swatikiss | tgwj, i am using gnome |
| 19:41.57 | madradrone | swatikiss: edit your xorg.conf as i mentioned before |
| 19:42.10 | swatikiss | madradrone, sorry, i just read that, thanks! :) |
| 19:42.19 | MrHart | jozotic: K I will try this |
| 19:42.45 | madradrone | swatikiss: better to google for more info, since depending on your specific card there might be other xorg options to add |
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| 19:43.06 | MrHart | file cdrom1 exists |
| 19:43.11 | MrHart | what next? |
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| 19:43.23 | madradrone | MrHart: you didn't answer my question before |
| 19:43.29 | jazotic | MrHart: hmm? ls -l /mnt/cdrom1 |
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| 19:44.21 | MrHart | jazotic:lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jul 15 2005 /mnt/cdrom1 -> /mnt/auto/cdrom1 |
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| 19:44.59 | Chance | uff Anyone that can help me with my issue ? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsocket I am trying to find a solution for some time now and can't find any |
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| 19:45.36 | jazotic | MrHart: then you'll better off with changing the entry in /etc/fstab to point to /mnt/auto/cdrom1. but havn't that layout here. do you use automounter or something like this? |
| 19:45.54 | nisc | are there any good guides about on-the-fly harddisk encryption on debian (for notebooks, etc)? |
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| 19:46.06 | MrHart | automounter....hmmm I suppose so |
| 19:46.24 | asg | Chance: apt-get install build-essential. If that doesn't help, find out what header file is being included for the library being used and let us know what it is. |
| 19:46.32 | jazotic | nisc: have seen on on gnetoo wiki some time ago. google should help. |
| 19:47.03 | nisc | let me see |
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| 19:47.55 | jazotic | MrHart: to just mount the drive editing fstab should be enough. If there's some layout needed for your system this might do things wrong. |
| 19:47.57 | asg | nisc: debian-administration.org has a few tutorials also |
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| 19:48.11 | The_Login | pls how to get 1024*768 screen resolution on text mode without x server ? |
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| 19:48.22 | asg | The_Login: pass 'vga=791' to the kernel |
| 19:48.32 | The_Login | thx arg |
| 19:48.38 | Chance | asg already have that, but i fixed it the ld -lsocket was not good used ld --library socket and worked |
| 19:48.39 | _abbenormal | anyone got a minute or 2 for some help on a ssh connection problem |
| 19:48.54 | asg | Chance: ah, okay. |
| 19:48.58 | madradrone | The_Login: there are other modes you can pass as well. some which look better |
| 19:49.09 | asg | The_Login: try 'vga=771' if the former doesn't work. |
| 19:49.12 | jazotic | _abbenormal: just ask |
| 19:49.40 | _abbenormal | ok getting port connection refused on port 22 after a new kernel build |
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| 19:50.04 | madradrone | The_Login: see fb/vesafb.txt in the kernel documentation for available modes for vesafb which is much better looking |
| 19:50.10 | asg | _abbenormal: is sshd running? Does it show up in 'ps aux'? Can you 'telnet localhost 22'? |
| 19:50.12 | MrHart | jazotic: hmm I cannot adjust fstab ... |
| 19:50.15 | jazotic | _abbenormal: the ssh server is listening? see netstat -a --inet |
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| 19:50.45 | sean_micken | anyone know of a repo that has gaim beta2? |
| 19:50.45 | _abbenormal | no to telnet to 22 |
| 19:50.52 | madradrone | The_Login: usually vga=0x316 looks good and workds |
| 19:50.55 | jazotic | MrHart: you have to be root for that. type "su" and password. then open you favorite editor. |
| 19:50.57 | _abbenormal | and let me check |
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| 19:51.13 | MrHart | already done :-( |
| 19:51.27 | jazotic | MrHart: what's the message |
| 19:51.42 | just1primate | I have two debian machines networked and sharing internet. Is there a way to mount the file systems over the network? |
| 19:51.49 | asg | just1primate: several |
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| 19:52.04 | tgwj | just1primate for NFS, read man exports |
| 19:52.09 | asg | just1primate: NFS, Samba, or the much better in this case 'sshfs' |
| 19:52.13 | tgwj | shfs is also possible |
| 19:52.20 | just1primate | ahh |
| 19:52.34 | just1primate | I dont use windows at all, so Samba wouldnt work |
| 19:52.35 | ringo999 | strider_: testing alsa in the gstreamer-properties i get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'", however, i can run vlc (alsa plugin) just fine with it... |
| 19:52.38 | tgwj | samba is the worst of the lot because it is MS-DOS centric |
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| 19:52.53 | asg | just1primate: samba works between unix machines if both run it. |
| 19:53.04 | MrHart | jazotic: hmmm....bash: /etc/fstab/: Not a directory |
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| 19:53.51 | jazotic | MrHart: it's a file! go to the console, get superuser and type "vim /etc/fstab" |
| 19:54.18 | epsilon | bad idea, try "emacs -nw /etc/fstab" |
| 19:54.26 | jazotic | epsilon: hrm |
| 19:54.35 | epsilon | *runaway* |
| 19:54.50 | strider_ | ringo999: try running gst-register-0.8 and then try |
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| 19:54.55 | asg | epsilon, jazotic: you are both presuming vim or emacs is installed which they aren't by default. Better to use 'editor /path/to/foo' |
| 19:55.00 | _abbenormal | nope no sshd when using ps aux |
| 19:55.10 | epsilon | asg: lam0r |
| 19:55.19 | asg | _abbenormal: then you need to find out why it isn't starting. |
| 19:55.23 | kspath | I still have flashbacks to seeing the size of emacs. Filling up most of the unused space with an editor pretending to be an OS/shell. |
| 19:55.24 | MrHart | jazoitc: k, ich bin drin |
| 19:55.32 | tgwj | nano is installed by default |
| 19:55.37 | asg | as is nvi |
| 19:55.38 | jazotic | asg: you're for sure right. but i'm sure we'll find a suitable @EDITOR soon. |
| 19:55.42 | just1primate | do I have to add fstab entries? |
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| 19:56.04 | jazotic | just1primate: NFS or samba? |
| 19:56.19 | ringo999 | strider_: same thing....is this because im running stable now? |
| 19:56.25 | MrHart | jazoitc: it is said: /dev/cdrom1 /cdrom1 iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:56.30 | tgwj | just1primate you can with nfs and shfs. |
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| 19:56.57 | just1primate | I installed sshfs |
| 19:57.11 | just1primate | so, now I need to add fstab entries on both machines for the other |
| 19:57.19 | knoppers | Which release do you use? |
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| 19:57.25 | tgwj | you don't have to add fstab entries... |
| 19:57.33 | The_Login | plz how to update debian to a kernel like 2.6.12 ? |
| 19:57.40 | The_Login | can't find it in the apt-get |
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| 19:57.48 | jazotic | MrHart: this means, that it will mount it to /cdrom1. if you wan't it somewhere else out it in the field that says /cdrom1. If it's ok this way, leave it and see if /cdrom (directory) exists. |
| 19:57.50 | tgwj | The_Login are you in sarge ? |
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| 19:57.58 | The_Login | tgwj dunno |
| 19:58.00 | _abbenormal | apt-cache search kernel |
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| 19:58.06 | _abbenormal | apt-cache search kernel* |
| 19:58.10 | The_Login | tgwj i used a net install |
| 19:58.11 | epsilon | The_Login: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 19:58.14 | jazotic | just1primate: don't know how to mount sshfs. see the manpage. |
| 19:58.21 | just1primate | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.29 | just1primate | workin on that now |
| 19:58.29 | tgwj | The_Login : what's in /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 19:58.34 | just1primate | will share when I find out |
| 19:58.57 | obcp | hi |
| 19:59.01 | knoppers | am i lucky? |
| 19:59.06 | Peterken | Good evening all. I'm testing different mail clients under linux (KMail, Mozilla Thunderbird & Evolution). Are there more populer mail client under KDE who are worth testing? Or did i already tested the moust popular ones? |
| 19:59.10 | The_Login | tgwj its a 3.1 |
| 19:59.14 | jazotic | MrHart: s/cdrom/cdrom1/ |
| 19:59.16 | strider_ | ringo999: hmm, don't know. |
| 19:59.17 | adii | how to install bttv on linux ? |
| 19:59.18 | ringo999 | strider_: also, im running stable now, how can i get apt-get to install an untstable such as "rtorrent"? |
| 19:59.20 | adii | debian |
| 19:59.21 | obcp | the sound stop working |
| 19:59.28 | knoppers | peterken have you tested mutt? |
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| 19:59.30 | ringo999 | strider_: yeah. who knows what it is this time... |
| 19:59.31 | tgwj | Peterken mutt |
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| 19:59.47 | obcp | in the dmesg i get this AC'97 codec ready error [0x20f4000] |
| 19:59.51 | Peterken | nopes, i never head of mutt :) going to test that one too then :-) tnx |
| 19:59.54 | tgwj | The_Login you'll want to install a backport... |
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| 20:00.17 | The_Login | tgwj i want kernel 2.6.11 |
| 20:00.22 | stew | ringo999: don't install packages compiled for unstable if you are running stable, instead use/make a backport /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:00.23 | strider_ | ringo999: check apt-cache search bittorrent forany clients |
| 20:00.30 | knoppers | the_login because of what |
| 20:00.38 | _eLMo_ | Anyone: Quick question, when in aptitude, how can I see wich programs are broken ? |
| 20:00.39 | Eulex | The_Login, there's no 2.6.11 kernel in debian |
| 20:00.40 | epsilon | btw, everytime I connect to my ISP with pppoe, it overwrites /etc/resolve.conf. How can I also add 127.0.0.1 permanently as nameserver? |
| 20:00.49 | The_Login | knoppers for the dvbcard driver |
| 20:00.55 | Peterken | lol |
| 20:00.59 | Peterken | mutt is text based |
| 20:01.04 | bingo | HI can someone explain me what is the problem when i compile ndiswrapper with module-assistant on 2.6.15 http://paste.uni.cc/8547 |
| 20:01.14 | ringo999 | strider_: only has bittorrent, tomatotorrent (i think), yet i really liked rtorrent |
| 20:01.20 | knoppers | pterken it's for professionals i think :P |
| 20:01.26 | bingo | is ndiswrapper-source the problem? |
| 20:01.27 | jazotic | epsilon: i think it's called resolvconf. see the manpage. |
| 20:01.27 | tgwj | The_Login, check out http://backports.org/ |
| 20:01.34 | tgwj | Peterken so what ? |
| 20:01.45 | The_Login | tgwj thx |
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| 20:02.02 | _abbenormal | where are port settings for ssh and allowing port connections done at |
| 20:02.13 | Peterken | bwa tgwj, i have nothing against it |
| 20:02.15 | tgwj | mutt is popular and can be used under kde... |
| 20:02.18 | stew | _abbenormal: all the settings for ssh are in /etc/ssh/ |
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| 20:02.34 | jazotic | _abbenormal: install ssh or restart it. |
| 20:02.41 | netman1 | Which debian mailing list would be best to ask an elaborate question about the waynetworking / ipv4 is implemented? |
| 20:02.53 | _abbenormal | does portmap have anything to do with loading ssh or sshd |
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| 20:03.02 | Peterken | but i'm more looking for a mail client that is more grafically developed :-) |
| 20:03.03 | jazotic | _abbenormal: no |
| 20:03.09 | tgwj | netman1 buy a book. |
| 20:03.18 | knoppers | peterken thunderbird |
| 20:03.21 | _abbenormal | i know shh is there i can connet to other boxs from the one i can not connect to |
| 20:03.26 | jazotic | _abbenormal: does sshd refuse to start? |
| 20:03.31 | _abbenormal | yes |
| 20:03.41 | netman1 | tgwj: it's not in a book. I bet a 1000$/E on it. |
| 20:03.47 | _abbenormal | sshd does not want to start |
| 20:03.51 | Peterken | ok :-) |
| 20:04.05 | jazotic | _abbenormal: turn debug higher in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and see /var/log/ |
| 20:04.10 | asg | _abbenormal: look in /var/log/syslog. Also, /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 20:04.21 | wajig|sarge | is there so short way to switch from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 on an blank sarge install? |
| 20:04.29 | tgwj | netman1 if you mean how TCP/IP works, I actually HAVE a book on that... |
| 20:04.30 | knoppers | what's ok? |
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| 20:04.42 | asg | wajig|sarge: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install a suitable one from the list provided) |
| 20:04.49 | netman1 | tgwj: Can I try you? |
| 20:05.05 | MrHart | jazoitc: hmmm .. bash: s/cdrom/cdrom1: No such file or directory |
| 20:05.06 | MrHart | root@2[knoppix]# |
| 20:05.06 | tgwj | netman1 you want to know author and title ? |
| 20:05.06 | wajig|sarge | asg, what about all the modules. will they be okay? |
| 20:05.36 | jazotic | MrHart: ?? forget it. |
| 20:05.42 | asg | wajig|sarge: all the standard kernel modules will be. If you compiled some using module-assistant or otherwise, they will have to be recompiled. |
| 20:05.43 | netman1 | tgwj: Nope. Wether you can answer my question. _You_ have the book ;-) |
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| 20:06.02 | knoppers | peterken do you know microsoft outlook? it's running on such a new os. i think it would be great using it |
| 20:06.03 | wajig|sarge | asg, i ' ll giv it a try. thanks |
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| 20:06.21 | tgwj | netman1 or what ? |
| 20:06.27 | MrHart | jazotic: it used to work perfectly....I do not understand what happend... |
| 20:06.45 | netman1 | "or what?" I don't follow. |
| 20:07.00 | jazotic | MrHart: what did change? |
| 20:07.10 | theD3viL | Why my wdm dont start anymore. I upgraded to testing .. before works good, now it just dont start (X crash). When i type startx works normaly |
| 20:07.24 | jazotic | MrHart: did you upgrade some packages? |
| 20:07.27 | ringo999 | strider_: this is insane...somehow gnome wont start anymore. the debian logo is stuck at metacity |
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| 20:07.29 | knoppers | mrhart how do you know |
| 20:07.41 | ringo999 | strider_: why is it always happening to me |
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| 20:07.51 | MrHart | jazotic: yes, some packages were updated |
| 20:07.57 | wajig|sarge | asg, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 2.6.8-16sarge1 shoul be okay for an PIII Coppermine.. ? |
| 20:08.14 | dvs | wajig|sarge: 686 will work too |
| 20:08.15 | stew | wajig|sarge: -686 would be better |
| 20:08.18 | asg | wajig|sarge: yes, that will be fine. The -686 variant will as well and be slightly more optimized |
| 20:08.32 | jazotic | MrHart: this will be it. something will have changed. How exactly is the symptom? |
| 20:08.33 | wajig|sarge | okay |
| 20:08.37 | dvs | I'm glad we disagree ;-) |
| 20:08.40 | asg | wajig|sarge: if you install that, install the libc6-i686 package also |
| 20:08.41 | knoppers | does anyone use freebsd |
| 20:08.48 | amee2k | I'm going to install debian on a gateway box. is it possible to dial a DSL line via PPPoE with the netinst CD? |
| 20:08.52 | wajig|sarge | okay |
| 20:08.53 | ringo999 | strider_: i thought i was safe now :( |
| 20:08.54 | asg | knoppers: yes but I don't support it in here |
| 20:09.03 | nisc | knoppers: #freebsd |
| 20:09.19 | knoppers | sorry, this was only a question |
| 20:09.25 | nisc | a lot of freebsd users in there |
| 20:09.28 | nisc | I wonder why |
| 20:09.39 | knoppers | Why do you wonder why |
| 20:09.48 | mhall | knoppers: sarcasm |
| 20:09.54 | asg | knoppers: he was banned from #sarcasm |
| 20:10.07 | knoppers | i can't follow |
| 20:10.12 | jazotic | :) |
| 20:10.17 | knoppers | :( |
| 20:10.35 | mhall | knoppers: oder, Sarkasmus könnte man auch behaupten, wenn man so was machen wollte... |
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| 20:10.50 | asg | knoppers: while there are FreeBSD users in here, we won't answer questions about FreeBSD since this is a Debian channel and therefore off-topic. |
| 20:10.57 | asg | mhall: with cheese? |
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| 20:11.08 | ForrestF | is there a wine help channel? |
| 20:11.11 | knoppers | asg i know i'm using debian, too |
| 20:11.13 | The_Login | thx tgwj i get a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 20:11.14 | asg | ForrestF: #winehq |
| 20:11.20 | knoppers | asg for example now |
| 20:11.20 | mhall | asg: yes, my policy is, if it's empty fill it with cheese |
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| 20:11.28 | asg | mhall: bravo |
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| 20:11.43 | JonJ | Anyone know if these settings would work in /etc/networking/interfaces: #iwpriv ath0 set AuthMode=WPAPSK or would I have to set these parameters someplace else? |
| 20:12.04 | bingo | please ndiswrapper dont what to compile with module-assistant on 2.6.15 with this message http://paste.uni.cc/8547, ca you explain me what is the problem? |
| 20:12.10 | amee2k | i mean does the base system on the netinst iso contain all the packages required to configure DSL via PPPoE? |
| 20:12.26 | theD3viL | Why my wdm dont start anymore. I upgraded to testing .. before works good, now it just dont start (X crash). When i type startx works normaly |
| 20:12.48 | asg | theD3viL: first, check the bts |
| 20:12.51 | ringo999 | someone help me, gnome wont start anymore, and my reliant helper strider_ seems to be on a break |
| 20:12.55 | theD3viL | asg: bts ? |
| 20:12.56 | knoppers | asg aka grunix |
| 20:13.02 | asg | !tell theD3viL about bts |
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| 20:13.24 | MrHart | jazotic: you are not gonna believe this |
| 20:13.28 | MrHart | it works now!!! |
| 20:13.33 | bucky | knoppers, hi Klaus! |
| 20:13.33 | MrHart | thanks!!! |
| 20:13.34 | jazotic | MrHart: tell |
| 20:13.42 | asg | theD3viL: also, check /usr/share/doc/wdm and see if anything changed since stable that you need to take care of. |
| 20:13.48 | cheal | amee2k: yes, but you need to know how |
| 20:14.05 | knoppers | bucky buggy? klaus? |
| 20:14.15 | bucky | Klaus Knopper |
| 20:14.30 | knoppers | bucky funny |
| 20:14.33 | amee2k | cheal: i already successfully configured DSL on a full install but to install the gateway box i need to get DSL working before i can download something |
| 20:14.35 | jazotic | ringo999: move your ~/.gnome* away for now and see if it's related to your personal settings. |
| 20:14.38 | knoppers | who's klaus knopper |
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| 20:14.48 | mhall | knoppers: maker of knoppix |
| 20:14.56 | knoppers | really |
| 20:15.02 | cheal | amee2k: yes. you have to install pppoeconf |
| 20:15.07 | asg | knoppers: the guy that create Knoppix, the non-debian distribution you are currently using to ask about FreeBSD on #debian, which doesn't support knoppix either. |
| 20:15.08 | bucky | knoppers, he's the author of the operating system you're using |
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| 20:15.33 | MrHart | url address connected to /dev/cdrom1 than selected 'open with' xmms...and working :-) |
| 20:15.36 | ringo999 | jazotic: i dont even know if it is quit correctly. if i startx the debian logo appears immediatly where it was stuck before (metacity= |
| 20:15.47 | jazotic | MrHart: fine. |
| 20:15.50 | knoppers | asg you've got it |
| 20:15.50 | mhall | somebody ought to make klaus come to #d and #d.de to see the destruction his creation hath wrought |
| 20:16.11 | MrHart | jazotic: yes! thanks mate! |
| 20:16.14 | asg | mhall: and start a deathmatch with Mark Shuttleworth |
| 20:16.18 | ringo999 | jazotic: how can i stop x and and gnome ane "everything" |
| 20:16.23 | adii | how can i "activate options in kernel" ? |
| 20:16.25 | ronin | mhall: why? he and his creation didn't, users who cant read are :) |
| 20:16.26 | adii | what does that mean ? |
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| 20:16.28 | mhall | asg: now that i'd pay to see |
| 20:16.37 | mhall | ronin: tongue in cheeck, ronin |
| 20:16.37 | jazotic | ringo999: havn't follow your thread. whas it broken before? |
| 20:16.41 | asg | mhall: maybe it could be arranged for Debconf6 |
| 20:16.42 | ronin | heh |
| 20:16.56 | mhall | ronin: i do agree with the principle |
| 20:17.04 | haim | can apache-ssl serve http AND https properly? |
| 20:17.05 | mhall | ronin: guns don't kill people, americans do |
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| 20:17.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:17.24 | kspath | mhall: hehehe |
| 20:17.42 | thingfish | too true. |
| 20:17.43 | bucky | why can people who can't read know how to operate guns? |
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| 20:17.53 | asg | mhall: actually, something like Iron Chef with Knopper and Shuttleworth competing and de Raadt as Chairman Kaga |
| 20:17.58 | MrHart | jazotic: next step..can I install mouse mx518 driver? is it available? |
| 20:18.11 | MrHart | apt get does not give much help... |
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| 20:18.25 | jazotic | MrHart: havn't heard mx518 beforee. sorry. |
| 20:18.29 | asg | bucky: most modern guns have a point and drool interface |
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| 20:18.51 | bucky | i knew there was a connection |
| 20:18.54 | MrHart | jazotic: its a logitec mouse...its ok, no problem |
| 20:19.18 | Peterken | In what dpkg package can i find more locale's for my system? |
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| 20:19.24 | jml6 | is there anyway for me to upgrade from sarge stable to the etch testing without reinstalling? |
| 20:19.26 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 20:19.35 | asg | jml6: /msg dpkg stable -> testing |
| 20:19.50 | mhall | asg like windows, except more deadly |
| 20:19.52 | knoppers | asg bist du admin der domain bsdforen.de |
| 20:20.12 | asg | jml6: or rather /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 20:20.35 | jml6 | thanks asg |
| 20:20.36 | asg | mhall: at least guns generally don't crash |
| 20:20.37 | kspath | knoppers: What prevented you from saying the same thing in English? |
| 20:20.38 | cindy | i have no sound in realplayer10 |
| 20:20.43 | asg | mhall: well, revolvers at least |
| 20:20.44 | ringo999 | i accidently rebooted. same problem. gdm works fine, but when logging hin, gnome stops when loading metacity (debian logo). someone tell me how to debug/what to do. |
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| 20:20.54 | mhall | knoppers: was fuer eine englische frage ist das denn? *lach* |
| 20:21.11 | knoppers | asg do youn play the admin on bsdforen.de |
| 20:21.24 | asg | knoppers: no, I'm not the admin for bsdforen.de |
| 20:21.28 | mhall | !utf8smite knoppers |
| 20:21.35 | mhall | tittybiscuits |
| 20:21.37 | hyksos | ringo999 : switch to console (str+alt+f1) and kill it, then run startx |
| 20:21.47 | knoppers | asg what else |
| 20:21.49 | ringo999 | hyksos: how do i kill it again? |
| 20:21.55 | MrHart | someone else maybe? |
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| 20:22.03 | ringo999 | /etc/ini.. |
| 20:22.04 | asg | knoppers: what else what? |
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| 20:22.09 | hyksos | ringo999 : ps aux|grep x (or X)something |
| 20:22.11 | kspath | knoppers: play can be considered insulting by a significant amount of people who live/use English. |
| 20:22.20 | mrverbose | is there another ppp encryption other than the one from microsoft? |
| 20:22.23 | knoppers | asg what else are you for bsdforen.de |
| 20:22.30 | wajig|sarge | asg, after the new kernel is installed, will it show up in grub menue.lst an be ready to fly? |
| 20:22.33 | hyksos | ringo999 :and then kill -9 PID |
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| 20:22.40 | dn4 | IRC is multiplayer wordpad. |
| 20:22.41 | asg | knoppers: I have no affiliation with bsdforen.de |
| 20:22.43 | sandman | /var/lib/vservers: Function not implemented <== What's that? |
| 20:22.47 | asg | wajig|sarge: it should be |
| 20:22.53 | shurrik | I'm new at this, but any command to show the devices available on my comp, or some other sort of information to give me an ideas on what modules to load during the installation? |
| 20:23.04 | petemc | shurrik: lspci, dmesg |
| 20:23.07 | wajig|sarge | asg, famous last words *g* |
| 20:23.08 | asg | shurrik: lspci, dmesg |
| 20:23.15 | jazotic | shurrik: dmesg & lspci |
| 20:23.22 | asg | wajig|sarge: as long as the old kernel is availabe, you won't have a problem. |
| 20:23.24 | ringo999 | ok really strange, all of the sudden it works...mmmm |
| 20:23.26 | bucky | wajig|sarge, did you use apt-get to install your kernel? |
| 20:23.28 | shurrik | ok, thx people - i'll play around with it! |
| 20:23.32 | asg | :flw |
| 20:23.33 | kspath | lsusb ? |
| 20:23.34 | ringo999 | thx hyksos |
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| 20:23.36 | asg | !flw |
| 20:23.36 | dpkg | it has been said that flw6 is <coredmp> umm...latest is always bettter when it comes to functionality |
| 20:23.36 | knoppers | asg don't you? |
| 20:23.42 | wajig|sarge | bucky, jep |
| 20:23.44 | asg | knoppers: erm, no. |
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| 20:24.07 | hyksos | ringo999 :you havent fixed your real problem, i think it will also not start if you reboot, so look at /var/log/X* |
| 20:24.14 | bucky | wajig|sarge, did you add the initrd line to menu.lst? |
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| 20:24.25 | wajig|sarge | bucky, no |
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| 20:24.35 | knoppers | asg oh, sorry i thought of user called asg (aka grunix) on bsdforen.de with his domain encephalon.de |
| 20:24.41 | bucky | wajig|sarge, didn't it tell you too? |
| 20:24.43 | Malagmyr | How's webcam support on linux these days? I have a crappy, asian, noname webcam... Are there any universal drivers, or anything relatively simple I can use to communicate with it through the usb cable that comes with it? |
| 20:24.45 | asg | knoppers: ah, no, that isn't me. |
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| 20:25.09 | knoppers | asg how did you get the nic |
| 20:25.14 | hyksos | Malagmyr : look if usbview can see it |
| 20:25.16 | wajig|sarge | bucky, can' tell you - apt-get is in still in progress right now |
| 20:25.22 | wajig|sarge | 't |
| 20:25.22 | asg | knoppers: they are my initials, surprisingly enough |
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| 20:25.25 | ParoXsitiC | I am wondering if someone could help me with DHCP setup with comcast |
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| 20:25.48 | knoppers | asg jo |
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| 20:25.52 | sabans | What is the kernel log for debian ? messages of kern.log ? |
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| 20:25.56 | knoppers | asg mrpc.de |
| 20:25.57 | Malagmyr | hyksos: thanks, I'll try that :) |
| 20:26.01 | sabans | or* |
| 20:26.03 | wajig|sarge | bucky, alright "Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done" i guess it's okay now |
| 20:26.03 | knoppers | asg mrpc@gmx.de |
| 20:26.13 | wajig|sarge | going for reboot |
| 20:26.21 | sabans | What is the system kernel log for debian ? /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log ? |
| 20:26.35 | memic | second |
| 20:26.41 | sabans | hmm |
| 20:26.48 | sabans | and what is the secure log then ? messages? |
| 20:26.58 | ParoXsitiC | I am wondering if someone could help me with setting up DHCP, is it giving me errors |
| 20:27.19 | knoppers | asg knoppix@knoppix# poff |
| 20:27.32 | kspath | sabans: man syslog less /etc/syslog.conf help at all? |
| 20:27.36 | hyksos | ParoXsitiC :are you talking with yourself? |
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| 20:27.56 | ParoXsitiC | sorry, i mean it is |
| 20:28.01 | archangel | Does python come already installed on Debian? |
| 20:28.10 | dvs | archangel: no |
| 20:28.15 | archangel | thanks |
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| 20:28.32 | hyksos | ParoXsitiC :write some error message down here, but dont flood us, the line that you think is the importants |
| 20:28.44 | kspath | sabans: sorry meant man syslogd |
| 20:28.47 | knoppers | knoppers verlässt den channel |
| 20:29.02 | bucky | yay! |
| 20:29.11 | ParoXsitiC | No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 20:29.11 | ParoXsitiC | > > No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 20:29.19 | dvs | bucky: boo! |
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| 20:29.21 | hyksos | archangel :i think yes, or |
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| 20:29.34 | bucky | knoppers is gone! |
| 20:29.37 | kspath | sabans: oddly enough there is a man page for syslog.conf |
| 20:29.42 | ParoXsitiC | I think my dhclient.conf is not correct set, its all commented |
| 20:29.47 | hyksos | ParoXsitiC :so, you got not right setup your lease db |
| 20:29.52 | sabans | Yeah, I just need to know what the system kernel log and what the system secure log is. |
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| 20:30.13 | asg | sabans: secure log is /var/log/auth.log, the kernel log is /var/log/kern.log and/or /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:30.20 | bucky | ParoXsitiC, No DHCPOFFERS received. means your router isn't handing out any adresses |
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| 20:30.29 | sabans | asg thanks |
| 20:30.33 | asg | sabans: you're welcome |
| 20:30.39 | bucky | hi dvs |
| 20:30.46 | dvs | bucky: hello |
| 20:30.48 | bucky | hows Canada today |
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| 20:31.01 | bucky | !seen mwilson |
| 20:31.01 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 110d 23h 24m 38s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 20:31.03 | ParoXsitiC | I am directly connected to my modem, and my ISP is comcast, it should be handing out addresses because It uses DHCP just fine on this windows machine |
| 20:31.04 | dvs | bucky: Snowy as hell. But that's usual ain't it? |
| 20:31.08 | asg | bucky: he was banned |
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| 20:31.32 | ParoXsitiC | I believe in the installation of debian i skipped over any automatic configuration of DHCP settings |
| 20:31.40 | bucky | asg, that's why did !seen.. to see if he's been unbanned |
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| 20:31.52 | wajig|sarge | asg, bucky : back with kernel 2.6 and hald --> now usb-drives are mounted on the fly. thanks guys for your help |
| 20:32.08 | bucky | it's all asg's fault |
| 20:32.12 | Supaplex | np. that'll be $80 |
| 20:32.14 | asg | bucky: he won't be most likely. If we ever see greycat in here again, it is likely that he will be unbanned. |
| 20:32.34 | sabans | ParoXsitiC; that should not be hard .. just edit your interfaces |
| 20:32.47 | bucky | we'll never see greycat again... he's to busy making ugly children |
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| 20:33.02 | nisc | just being curious, why do so many distributions still use 2.6.12? is there something wrong with 2.6.15? works fine here ... |
| 20:33.11 | asg | bucky: no, just fed up with the climate in #debian |
| 20:33.13 | dvs | nisc: it's pretty new |
| 20:33.19 | sabans | ParoXsitiC: add the next line to /etc/network/interfaces; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:33.24 | nisc | ok |
| 20:33.26 | dvs | asg: So they banned him? |
| 20:33.27 | jazotic | nisc: new udev API |
| 20:33.33 | ParoXsitiC | I am new to linux, I did edit my /etc/network/interface to include iface eth0 inet dhcp...but it still is not giving me any lucky |
| 20:33.34 | bucky | asg, have you seen the pictures of that sasquatch he's married too? |
| 20:33.37 | asg | dvs: no, greycat left of his own volition (/msg dpkg fable) |
| 20:33.48 | asg | bucky: I haven't |
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| 20:33.54 | bucky | !seen greycat |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 23d 13m 3s ago, saying: 'that one's 404. http://www.ruhr.de/home/smallo/award.html had it, but appears down/slow.'. |
| 20:33.55 | sabans | ParoXsitiC: interfaces, not interface |
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| 20:34.06 | ParoXsitiC | i meant interfaces. sorry |
| 20:34.21 | sabans | paste interfaces in private |
| 20:34.28 | ParoXsitiC | How can i read the error log of when i run the command 'dhclient' |
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| 20:35.10 | jazotic | ParoXsitiC: have you closed UDP 67/68(?) AFAIK it's needed for dhcp. |
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| 20:35.41 | ParoXsitiC | I have not done anything that would close them, besides install KDE. this is a fresh install |
| 20:35.47 | asg | LilAero: cowsay -f stimpy 'Nummies\!' |
| 20:35.52 | LilAero | indeed ;D |
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| 20:36.02 | strider_ | ringo999: I'm back |
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| 20:36.13 | sabans | ParoXsitiC just install a dhcp-client and edit your interfaces, you're done |
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| 20:36.30 | LilAero | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.30 | LilAero | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.30 | LilAero | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.30 | LilAero | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.30 | LilAero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.32 | ParoXsitiC | just did that, didnt work |
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| 20:36.39 | LilAero | woops ;D |
| 20:36.41 | unkn0wn2u | does apt actually keep a log of everything that gets installed? |
| 20:36.51 | kspath | cowsay! |
| 20:36.52 | LilAero | debian:~# apt-get moo |
| 20:36.52 | LilAero | <3 |
| 20:36.53 | asg | unkn0wn2u: dpkg does on sid and aptitude does |
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| 20:37.06 | kspath | apt-get install cowsay |
| 20:37.09 | bucky | LilAero, learn a new trick today? |
| 20:37.11 | LilAero | tried that. |
| 20:37.12 | LilAero | Nah |
| 20:37.13 | ParoXsitiC | apt-get install dhcp3-client ...and then put iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:37.13 | kspath | apt-get install figlet |
| 20:37.18 | cheal | unkn0wn2u: no. dpkg might do what you want if you're running etch |
| 20:37.21 | LilAero | I've known about that for a while now :D |
| 20:37.26 | bucky | clever |
| 20:37.35 | sabans | also did dhclient3 eth0 ? |
| 20:37.37 | LilAero | Hey brian, did you make sure your eth0 was off? |
| 20:37.52 | ParoXsitiC | i did ifdown eth0 before i edited it |
| 20:37.54 | LilAero | k |
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| 20:37.56 | LilAero | good boy ^_^ |
| 20:37.58 | ParoXsitiC | then ifup eth0 after |
| 20:38.02 | rutski89 | Where can i get an nslookup that impliments "ls" |
| 20:38.03 | rutski89 | ? |
| 20:38.05 | sabans | and then dhclient3 eth0 ? |
| 20:38.05 | _eLMo_ | Some guy set my keymap to qwerty, how do I set it back to dvorak? I can't find it on google |
| 20:38.08 | ParoXsitiC | i have not tried dhclient3 eth0 |
| 20:38.20 | sabans | try :) |
| 20:38.24 | asg | rutski89: better to use dig than nslookup anyway since nslookup is deprecated |
| 20:38.24 | unkn0wn2u | asg lets say I just installed a app and i didn't like it is there a way to easily remove that package and all the depends it installed? |
| 20:38.29 | asg | rutski89: install dnsutils |
| 20:38.40 | LilAero | apt-get remove <package> ? |
| 20:38.45 | LilAero | hmm |
| 20:38.48 | asg | unkn0wn2u: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 20:38.52 | ParoXsitiC | Bare with me. i have 1 keyboard and i have to unplug a keyboard into windows and linux back and forth |
| 20:38.54 | LilAero | that was well ;D |
| 20:39.11 | asg | unkn0wn2u: the dependancies can be rooted out using 'debfoster' |
| 20:39.11 | rutski89 | asg, yea, i know; but my books gives examples in nslookup |
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| 20:39.11 | rutski89 | asg, and doesn't cover dig untill later chapters |
| 20:39.23 | LilAero | man you should go to like Big Lot's and buy one of those 10 bucks keyboards. :D |
| 20:39.28 | unkn0wn2u | asg --purge removes the configs right |
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| 20:39.30 | r00723r0 | is ia64 the same thing as amd64? |
| 20:39.34 | asg | unkn0wn2u: yes |
| 20:39.36 | r00723r0 | i mean |
| 20:39.37 | LilAero | I have one for this one, and another for the server. |
| 20:39.38 | rutski89 | asg, and yes, i have dnsutils, but it's nslookup doesn't impliment "ls", in fact... i just compiled bind from source. and it's nslookup also doesn't impliments ls |
| 20:39.41 | rutski89 | **impliment |
| 20:39.46 | r00723r0 | will an amd64 processor run ia64? |
| 20:39.47 | unkn0wn2u | asg debfoster ok |
| 20:39.53 | r00723r0 | you know what i mean? |
| 20:39.56 | r00723r0 | is it 64bit? |
| 20:39.56 | asg | rutski89: is the book specific to BSD or another Unix? |
| 20:40.10 | bucky | r00723r0, ia64 is intell |
| 20:40.12 | _eLMo_ | Arf, can anyone tell me how to set my keymap in Debian Testing, cause I can't do anything right now.. |
| 20:40.17 | r00723r0 | are you serious? |
| 20:40.28 | asg | unkn0wn2u: sorry, use deborphan if you haven't already got debfoster installed. |
| 20:40.31 | r00723r0 | ia64 will run on amd64 though right? |
| 20:40.36 | asg | _eLMo_: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 20:40.40 | bucky | r00723r0, no but amd64 will |
| 20:40.41 | _eLMo_ | asg: thnx |
| 20:40.46 | r00723r0 | WTF |
| 20:40.51 | r00723r0 | bucky, can you point me to amd64? |
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| 20:41.00 | bucky | r00723r0, sure.. one sec |
| 20:41.00 | asg | r00723r0: #debian-amd64 |
| 20:41.10 | rutski89 | asg, nope |
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| 20:41.27 | dvs | asg: That /msg dpkg fable link doesn't work. |
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| 20:41.32 | bucky | r00723r0, https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 20:41.58 | asg | dvs: that's because tarzeau's wiki has, again, run out of space |
| 20:42.13 | asg | tarzeau: you're wiki has run out of space. |
| 20:42.22 | ym | awesome noob question. is it err.. not painful to install sarge and then migrate to testing? |
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| 20:42.33 | asg | ym: it isn't painful |
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| 20:42.49 | dvs | ym: the pain comes later when things don't work |
| 20:42.50 | ym | asg: using apt will be enough? |
| 20:42.56 | asg | ym: install sarge then /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 20:43.05 | kspath | dvs: hehehe |
| 20:43.05 | ym | dvs: you bean, better not deal with testing? |
| 20:43.20 | asg | ym: stay with stable unless you have a compelling reason to use testing |
| 20:43.25 | dvs | ym: You have to know what you're doing if you want to use testing |
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| 20:43.46 | ym | asg, dvs: ty |
| 20:45.06 | dvs | asg: It's newer. ;-) |
| 20:45.06 | cheal | r00723r0: no |
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| 20:45.07 | cheal | oops |
| 20:45.08 | ym | packages.debian is down so i'll ask here.. what's the kde version in sarge? |
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| 20:45.09 | asg | !flw46 |
| 20:45.09 | dpkg | it has been said that flw46 is <ohad>...i thought that by upgrading to unstable things might work better |
| 20:45.09 | dvs | !info kde sarge |
| 20:45.09 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 20:45.19 | dvs | 44?!? |
| 20:45.32 | asg | ym: 3.3.2 |
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| 20:45.33 | dvs | !info kde-base sarge |
| 20:45.47 | EleckttrusS | dvs, ¿? |
| 20:45.57 | _eLMo_ | dvs: without the hyphen |
| 20:46.20 | dvs | _eLMo_: well, he got his answer |
| 20:46.32 | _eLMo_ | k ;) |
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| 20:50.22 | r00723r0 | whats the difference between etch, sid, and sarge? |
| 20:50.29 | ym | !info kernel sarge |
| 20:50.51 | asg | r00723r0: testing, unstable, stable |
| 20:50.52 | dvs | !releases |
| 20:50.52 | dpkg | well, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 20:51.13 | r00723r0 | in that order? |
| 20:51.13 | jml6 | r00723r0, sarge is stable. etch is testing. sid is unstable. |
| 20:51.24 | ym | is unstable usable? |
| 20:51.25 | r00723r0 | why the funky names? |
| 20:51.30 | asg | r00723r0: Toy Story |
| 20:51.31 | r00723r0 | and what ym asked |
| 20:51.34 | jml6 | yeah its usable |
| 20:51.36 | dvs | r00723r0: because it's cool . ;-) |
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| 20:51.39 | r00723r0 | what about testing? |
| 20:51.54 | ym | is 2.6 default in sarge? :-/ |
| 20:52.00 | dvs | ym: no |
| 20:52.02 | jml6 | I like to use the testing releases though, they have newer packages than the stable release |
| 20:52.11 | r00723r0 | wtf? |
| 20:52.16 | r00723r0 | cant you update the packages? |
| 20:52.19 | RandomTask | hi what channel can i ask for some help with ntpdate? |
| 20:52.22 | r00723r0 | like emerge --sync? |
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| 20:52.27 | r00723r0 | (in portage) |
| 20:52.40 | jml6 | r00723r0, yes you can update the packages |
| 20:52.44 | asg | r00723r0: stable is for people like me who run servers that thousands depend on. Updating a package that changes versions could introduce compatibilities and downtime. |
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| 20:52.48 | The_Login | is there any video player on debian that run usinf fb ? |
| 20:52.57 | r00723r0 | so whats good for a gamer? |
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| 20:53.05 | bucky | r00723r0, windows |
| 20:53.08 | jml6 | r00723r0, but they have a separate package repository for each release |
| 20:53.13 | r00723r0 | bucky, never again |
| 20:53.14 | asg | r00723r0: it depends on the games |
| 20:53.20 | bucky | if you want to game |
| 20:53.24 | asg | r00723r0: nethack runs just spiffily on stable |
| 20:53.33 | r00723r0 | ok, whats better for a desktop box |
| 20:53.36 | jml6 | I've never known a debian gamer |
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| 20:53.41 | jml6 | testing |
| 20:53.45 | r00723r0 | you sure? |
| 20:53.48 | jml6 | yes |
| 20:54.03 | r00723r0 | in terms of stability, it goes testing, unstable, stable? |
| 20:54.08 | r00723r0 | or what |
| 20:54.10 | dvs | r00723r0: hmmm... |
| 20:54.20 | asg | r00723r0: testing should be stable enough for gaming needs if stable doesn't provide what you need. |
| 20:54.22 | jml6 | no. unstable, testing, stable |
| 20:54.27 | djp | can anyone advise me with regards a compatible webcam that works under debian sarge without too much trouble? |
| 20:54.30 | r00723r0 | roger |
| 20:54.34 | bucky | r00723r0, if you can install amd64 with the 32 bit chroot and run games out of it.. then you've passed the test |
| 20:54.46 | r00723r0 | bucky, ive installed gentoo |
| 20:54.51 | r00723r0 | need i say more? |
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| 20:55.05 | bucky | r00723r0, come back when you have it installed |
| 20:55.10 | r00723r0 | gotcha |
| 20:55.21 | r00723r0 | but why would i need a 32bit chroot? |
| 20:55.25 | r00723r0 | is it necessary? |
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| 20:55.41 | bucky | r00723r0, for 32 bit apps in amd64 yes |
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| 20:56.08 | r00723r0 | cant i just get the apps 32-bit? |
| 20:56.16 | r00723r0 | under 64-bit? |
| 20:56.39 | bucky | r00723r0, maybe.. did you read that link i gave you? |
| 20:56.43 | r00723r0 | yeh |
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| 20:59.06 | jml6 | r00723r0, just install "etch" (testing), trust me |
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| 20:59.23 | r00723r0 | and i CAN install 32bit apps under amd64? |
| 20:59.30 | jml6 | yes |
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| 20:59.59 | r00723r0 | i cant find the link for it |
| 21:00.09 | bucky | r00723r0, https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 21:00.15 | r00723r0 | im there... |
| 21:00.22 | r00723r0 | the link listed gives me a 404 |
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| 21:01.03 | bucky | works for me.. asks if i want to see a cert first tho' |
| 21:01.20 | bucky | maybe it doesn't work in IE |
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| 21:02.28 | sean_micken2 | some package are being held back from an upgrade (from backports) -- how do i tell why? |
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| 21:03.02 | valdyn | r00723r0: try http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 21:03.05 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 21:03.05 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:03.12 | LilAero | Any idea why XFree wouldn't detect a monitor? Even though ... I'm sitting here staring at the monitor and seeing the basic terminal screen. |
| 21:03.24 | valdyn | dpkg, amd64 =~ s/https/http/ |
| 21:03.24 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 21:03.27 | r00723r0 | wow |
| 21:03.35 | LilAero | sounds pretty damn stupid to me. |
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| 21:03.54 | LilAero | "no screens found" ... eh funny |
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| 21:03.59 | jml6 | LilAero sometimes xfree86 can't detect a monitor and you have to set it up yourself |
| 21:04.10 | r00723r0 | i cant find any etch |
| 21:04.14 | r00723r0 | for amd64 |
| 21:04.16 | Eulex | !no screens found |
| 21:04.16 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 21:04.18 | valdyn | LilAero: this is not referring to your monitor |
| 21:04.22 | Eulex | LilAero, ^^ |
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| 21:04.28 | ym | !gentoo |
| 21:04.29 | dpkg | well, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 21:04.37 | bucky | r00723r0, it's called testing |
| 21:04.42 | r00723r0 | im aware |
| 21:04.47 | r00723r0 | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 21:04.58 | valdyn | r00723r0: you're blind or lazy to look properly |
| 21:05.00 | bucky | i think i just used sarge and upgraded from a basic install |
| 21:05.11 | ym | !greenhouse |
| 21:05.11 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 21:05.17 | kokkoo | hi i have a sarge server (samba), when transferring files to it i get terrible upload speed, but when i have the server copy files internally at the same time i get good speed suddenly, any clues ? |
| 21:05.47 | ym | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
| 21:06.06 | bucky | r00723r0, and you better write down your repository because you'll need to edit them into your sources.list |
| 21:06.09 | dspstv | anyone could tell me of a way to apt-get install ktouch withouth all the kde stuff! thanks |
| 21:06.21 | valdyn | dspstv: there probably is no way to do that |
| 21:06.26 | valdyn | !depends ktouch |
| 21:06.35 | dpkg | ktouch: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.1-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libkdeedu3 (>= 4:3.5.0), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4) |
| 21:06.36 | Eulex | dspstv, you're asking how to install a program without installing the dependencies of it? :) |
| 21:06.39 | dspstv | valdyn, that will be sad |
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| 21:06.55 | dspstv | Eulex, the dependencies are a whole system |
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| 21:07.01 | ym | !os x |
| 21:07.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, os x is the next generation operating system from Apple, derived from NeXtStep |
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| 21:07.11 | valdyn | dspstv: nonesense, these dependencies listed above are not whole kde |
| 21:07.11 | ym | !apple |
| 21:07.11 | dpkg | methinks apple is the best hardware company out there. They make much better processors than intelAMD, but unfortunately are a bit proprietary, or the most "proprietary" of all companies, ever... sucks. OSI approved |
| 21:07.36 | Eulex | ym, if you like dpkg that much, talk to him in private |
| 21:07.41 | dspstv | valdyn you will like to see what my debian system tells here |
| 21:07.42 | ym | k |
| 21:07.56 | valdyn | dspstv: probably about the same as dpkg just said ) |
| 21:08.08 | dspstv | wrong |
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| 21:08.16 | obcp | plz my sound card does not work anymore in gnu/linux |
| 21:08.24 | obcp | i get this |
| 21:08.26 | obcp | Trident4DWaveAudio: probe of 0000:00:01.4 failed with error -5 |
| 21:08.47 | valdyn | dspstv: no, not wrong ) |
| 21:09.07 | dspstv | i wont flood you with it |
| 21:10.05 | valdyn | dspstv: knowing how dependencies work i know that it might be ( way ) more packages than dpkg lists above, however thats not remotely close to 'whole kde' |
| 21:10.35 | mrverbose | does debian pppd have eap support? |
| 21:10.55 | dspstv | but almost, :P go in peace...and dont forget i said thanks valdyn |
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| 21:16.48 | qc | hello, is there any program that allows me to browse through the windows network? |
| 21:17.18 | bingo | samba |
| 21:17.23 | FliesLikeABrick | smbclient |
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| 21:18.13 | kokkoo | hi i have a sarge server (samba), when transferring files to it i get 20mbit upload speed, but when i have the server copy files internally at the same time i get good 170mbit suddenly, any clues ? |
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| 21:19.34 | LilAero | Compaq Monitor Drivers in XFree86 = cq ... I believe, but it still gives me an error when it tries to start up. [ Undefined Device "cq" referenced by Screen "cq". ] |
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| 21:22.45 | qc | wow smbclient is hard to use, any gui's for this? |
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| 21:23.26 | Goll | qc, jags or linneighborhood |
| 21:23.31 | qc | ok |
| 21:23.33 | qc | tnx |
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| 21:23.51 | thingfish | Applications>Network Servers always works here. |
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| 21:25.19 | dondelelcaro | /win/win 34 |
| 21:25.27 | shay | right dondelelcaro |
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| 21:25.43 | djp | does anyone know if the debian newbiedoc project is still active? |
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| 21:26.57 | ilona | hi |
| 21:27.11 | lasat_ | hello |
| 21:27.11 | ilona | wasn't there a descent package in debian at some point? |
| 21:27.29 | qc | Any program to open rmvb's on low recourse |
| 21:27.33 | qc | ? |
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| 21:29.09 | qc | Hello, does anyone know a program whith which i can open realmedia files? |
| 21:29.16 | astewart80 | My modem doesnt work for linux, I have a dell lititude 110L, does anyone know how to fix it |
| 21:30.03 | qc | noone i guess..... |
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| 21:30.12 | mrverbose | astewart80: good luck |
| 21:30.21 | mrverbose | you may want to look for the driver from smlink.com |
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| 21:30.44 | hyksos | qc:realplayer? |
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| 21:31.22 | astewart80 | that site doesnt work |
| 21:31.32 | Coweater | astewart80: linuxant makes a driver for it, non-free |
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| 21:31.56 | yosef | Can someone help me? I installed gstreamer 0.8 and gnome-media, and now totem and gnome-cd don't work. What do I do? |
| 21:31.58 | astewart80 | where do i get that at |
| 21:32.12 | djp | does anyone know if the debian newbiedoc project is still active? |
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| 21:32.15 | rambo3 | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 21:32.21 | Coweater | from linuxant |
| 21:32.30 | qc | there is no realplayer for linux |
| 21:32.36 | Coweater | yes there is |
| 21:32.44 | qc | hwhere? |
| 21:32.54 | Coweater | http://www.real.com/linux |
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| 21:33.17 | yosef | Anyone? |
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| 21:33.54 | jon_k | yosef, the etch repos have become unstable |
| 21:33.57 | jon_k | probably due to that |
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| 21:34.41 | epsilon | how can I add a line at beginning of a file? So insert in first line instead append at end with >> |
| 21:34.55 | yosef | jon_k: etch repos? I'm using testing repos, are they etch? |
| 21:35.06 | jon_k | yosef, yeah |
| 21:35.24 | jon_k | yosef, everything but the stable repos are highly unstable right now |
| 21:35.38 | yosef | jon_k: so what should I do? go back to stable? |
| 21:35.41 | jon_k | yosef, tried to update nano last night and it asked to reinstall my kernel! |
| 21:35.51 | jon_k | yosef, yeah until things die down in a month or two |
| 21:35.58 | mhall | qc: helix player is open source real player |
| 21:36.07 | mhall | qc: and there is also closed source one |
| 21:36.08 | wajig|sarge | jon2_k a lot of problem referring to udev an hald |
| 21:36.11 | wajig|sarge | and |
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| 21:36.35 | depakote | Howdy |
| 21:36.47 | hyksos | mhall :helix player is helix player, realplayer is based on helix player |
| 21:36.58 | AngelGabriel | I want to clone one machine to another machine, but it uses LVM, is it possible to clone this machine across a network? |
| 21:37.14 | mhall | hyksos: so if it's open source what stops us from cracking the drm code |
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| 21:37.29 | hyksos | mhall : sun got an opensource drm |
| 21:37.29 | mhall | hyksos: and 1337h4x0r1z1|\|g it |
| 21:37.46 | qc | ok |
| 21:37.49 | jon_k | mhall, then we should make linux closed source |
| 21:37.53 | jon_k | mhall, so we can watch drm |
| 21:38.01 | jon_k | right? |
| 21:38.02 | qc | how can i make programs run at startup? |
| 21:38.10 | yosef | jon_k: if i move back to stable, I have to degrade gnome to 2.8, does that make sense? |
| 21:38.14 | mhall | jon_k: i'm just trying to understand the relationship between open source and DRM |
| 21:38.16 | AngelGabriel | did someone say make linux closed source? |
| 21:38.17 | depakote | Howdy, I am installing from a 3.1 dvd of debian -- It seems my connection is not working, I am using a "st3200826as" harddrive and getting the following error "No partitionable media" "Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine." |
| 21:38.36 | mhall | jon_k: i noticed they added drivers for the trusted computing chip to linux 2.6 a while back |
| 21:38.36 | jon_k | yosef, no it doesn't but none of the repo's do right now, even stable is a bit unstable |
| 21:39.06 | jon_k | mhall, there's not much a relationship -- companies don't like open source, especially the people representing drm |
| 21:39.07 | qc | anyone? I want to make some programs run after i log in. |
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| 21:39.11 | qc | Like Idesk |
| 21:39.16 | epsilon | depakote: is the seagate drive sata? |
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| 21:39.26 | mhall | jon_k: yes this is what i'm trying to comprehend |
| 21:39.34 | mhall | jon_k: why they even *have* open source drm |
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| 21:39.42 | yosef | jon_k, so if the repos are unstable, I just need to hang on for a month or two until they stabalize? that makes no sense... |
| 21:39.46 | jon_k | mhall, it was Linus Torvalds brainchild |
| 21:39.47 | mhall | jon_k: i don't see how it's in the interests of real, sun, etc to do that |
| 21:39.57 | jon_k | yonkeltron, it's not that it makes no sense, it's that it's complete bullshit |
| 21:39.58 | mhall | jon_k: the trusted computing drivers you mean? |
| 21:40.02 | jon_k | err yosef * |
| 21:40.09 | depakote | epsilon:: yupper. |
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| 21:40.44 | jon_k | yosef, i've broken xine among other programs, and I'm SOL until the repo's get stable --- the debian folks play musical chairs and fuck everything up every couple of months, it's what they do |
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| 21:40.59 | zenwryly | Can anyone point me to a good guide for sound setup under debian (sid)? |
| 21:41.04 | grelli | so this is a fun error on a new install of debian sid |
| 21:41.06 | jon_k | mhall, no the drm in the kernel |
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| 21:41.32 | mhall | jon_k: yes i was calling it the trusted computing drivers based on its name in menuconfig |
| 21:41.36 | grelli | all packages being installed that require a new group to be added fail, with dpkg trying to create a the group with a group id one less than it should be |
| 21:41.37 | kokkoo | has anyone else got a r8169 nic ? and problems on gigabit connection? |
| 21:41.45 | mhall | jon_k: granted it's computing trusted by the media companies not by the users :-D |
| 21:42.02 | strider_ | !tell zenwryly about alsa one-liner |
| 21:42.05 | jon_k | mhall, i don't know why linus suggested this be put in the kernel |
| 21:42.07 | cr3 | how can a local take effect? I'm trying this but it doesn't work: LC_TYPE=fr grep --help |
| 21:42.13 | jon_k | mhall, perhaps he's in bed with the enemy now, shrugs |
| 21:42.15 | yosef | jon_k, I got my system running tight... gstreamer works and so does gnome, only totem and gnome-cd don't. Do you know I approach fixing them? |
| 21:42.23 | cr3 | err, "locale" not "local" :) |
| 21:42.25 | zulu42 | hi, the police for the buttons of firefox are anormaly HUGE since I switched to 1600x1200, I mean I cannot change it in the firefox preference panel, it is probably a bug of.. gtk? does anyone got such a pb in unstable? |
| 21:42.42 | mhall | jon_k: i suspect it might be needed to get it to boot on intel macs or something |
| 21:42.47 | jon_k | yosef, I would steer clear of the apt system and ust download gnome cd and totem sources and compile it |
| 21:42.51 | mhall | jon_k: there could be some reasonable stuff |
| 21:43.01 | mhall | zulu42: that's odd, i have got 1600x1200 and it's ok |
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| 21:43.12 | mhall | zulu42: what are police pray tell |
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| 21:43.39 | jon_k | mhall, could be, but theres no way to know how to make it work until they release the mac and people figure out how the chip works |
| 21:43.44 | jon_k | mhall, so i dont think it's for macs |
| 21:44.00 | mhall | jon_k: well they have had copies of OSX intel floating around |
| 21:44.03 | depakote | Howdy, I am installing from a 3.1 dvd of debian -- It seems my connection is not working, I am using a "st3200826as" harddrive and getting the following error "No partitionable media" "Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine." |
| 21:44.08 | mhall | jon_k: so people somewhat figured it out from those |
| 21:44.11 | jon_k | mhall, true |
| 21:44.22 | mhall | jon_k: but then Apple changed to EFI at the last min |
| 21:44.35 | grelli | I guess ultimately the question is, how does dkpg determine what the next available group id is? |
| 21:44.42 | mhall | jon_k: so now there is $10000 usd prize to get both oses to boot screen level on one mac |
| 21:44.49 | dondelelcaro | grelli: it doesn't. adduser does |
| 21:44.51 | yosef | jon_k, I get it, I just need to go back to slack and tedious package management... |
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| 21:45.27 | grelli | dondelelcaro: ok, so I'm looking at adduser/addgroup then |
| 21:45.28 | zulu42 | mhall, what is police pray? (xcuse my poor english) |
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| 21:45.33 | zenwryly | strider_: thanks |
| 21:45.34 | jon_k | yosef, theres not much you can do, email the debian managers.... i did once and i got an email that contained "fuck you" i'm not kidding\ |
| 21:45.50 | dondelelcaro | jon_k: ? |
| 21:45.55 | mhall | zulu42: you said "the police for the buttons" |
| 21:46.01 | mhall | zulu42: i asked what police was |
| 21:46.11 | mhall | jon_k: debian managers? fuck you? oof |
| 21:46.14 | SimonRaven | what? you sure that was from a dd? never seen that |
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| 21:46.27 | mhall | jon_k: gpg signed? |
| 21:46.28 | jon_k | dondelelcaro, i emailed them bitching about how they play musical chairs all the time and they should really stop fucking with stuff |
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| 21:47.00 | dondelelcaro | jon_k: "play musical chairs"? you're not making much sense. |
| 21:47.14 | ParoXsitiC | Can someone help me with DHCP problem, during the install of debian the "Configuring the network with DHCP" autoconfiguration finds the DHCP and internet works (modem lights flashing) |
| 21:47.16 | Eulex | jon_k, seems like you deserved the reply then |
| 21:47.22 | grelli | dondelelcaro: so would groupadd then just look at the group file and use the next id? or does it keep an index somewhere else? |
| 21:47.23 | ParoXsitiC | after the install...nothing.. and dhclient will not find anyhting |
| 21:47.23 | zulu42 | well I just don't know mhall I told police juste to say it is the text of all button, menu etc... in firefox |
| 21:47.46 | jon_k | don_inlab, well a lot of times they change where the sources go |
| 21:47.53 | jon_k | so I have to update my sources.list to the new location |
| 21:48.42 | dondelelcaro | jon_k: we haven't changed where the sources go in ages. |
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| 21:48.54 | SimonRaven | what? |
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| 21:49.01 | jon_k | dondelelcaro, but I haven't complained in ages either |
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| 21:49.08 | dondelelcaro | grelli: it checks which groups have been allocated and picks one that is within the proper range. |
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| 21:49.21 | jon_k | dondelelcaro, may I ask why the whole system is super unstable right now? |
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| 21:49.46 | thecoolestcow | anyone here a pro at vmware? |
| 21:49.50 | dondelelcaro | jon_k: what about it? |
| 21:49.55 | SimonRaven | #vmware |
| 21:49.57 | grelli | dondelelcaro: that's what I thought it would do. I'm currently seeing it fail, as it tries to add a group with an ID that already exists |
| 21:50.01 | thecoolestcow | yeah they're all dead |
| 21:50.20 | dondelelcaro | grelli: hrm... that shouldn't be happening. What is trying to add the group? |
| 21:50.28 | dondelelcaro | grelli: can you give the entire output of the apt-get run that you're using? |
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| 21:50.37 | mhall | !tell zulu42 about french |
| 21:50.38 | Eulex | grelli, I remember recently hearing about such a bug in unstable. |
| 21:50.40 | The_Login | guys anyone know a debian package that play video using framebuffer ? |
| 21:50.46 | grelli | dondelelcaro: the first time I saw this was installing HAL |
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| 21:50.54 | Eulex | The_Login, get mplayer. it's not in debian, though. |
| 21:50.54 | grelli | and now I'm getting it trying to install mythtv-common |
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| 21:51.04 | ParoXsitiC | Can someone help me with DHCP problem, during the install of debian the "Configuring the network with DHCP" autoconfiguration finds the DHCP and internet works (modem lights flashing) |
| 21:51.07 | ParoXsitiC | after the install...nothing.. and dhclient will not find anyhting |
| 21:51.09 | honschu | The_Login: mplayer - but it's not a official package |
| 21:51.09 | jon_k | dondelelcaro, well it seems like the repo's for unstable and testing are very likely to break the system right now |
| 21:51.12 | grelli | dondelelcaro: you want the output in #flood or some such? |
| 21:51.18 | valdyn | The_Login: mplayer can do that, its not in debian though, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 21:51.19 | grelli | Eulex: that's good to know |
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| 21:51.42 | dondelelcaro | jon_k: it's unstable; that sort of stuff happens all the time. My machine running it is working quite well, but if you find a bug, file them. |
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| 21:52.32 | Eulex | jon_k, the repo of testing is working very well currently, fyi. |
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| 21:53.05 | jon_k | Eulex, updated xine-ui and xine libs last night from testing and it just segfaults opening anything now |
| 21:53.07 | zulu42 | mhall, what? If I want better english I need to speak english :) |
| 21:53.11 | ParoXsitiC | ping |
| 21:53.15 | zulu42 | ping |
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| 21:53.35 | dondelelcaro | jon_k: file a bug; it's quite possible that xine-ui ended up being broken in unstable. |
| 21:53.37 | mhall | zulu42: fair enough |
| 21:53.43 | zulu42 | ;) |
| 21:53.45 | dorileo | hi alll... I downloaded bittorrent from here http://www.bittorrent.com/ |
| 21:53.49 | mhall | zulu42: i'm a student of german so i understand |
| 21:53.57 | dorileo | but it's not working properly |
| 21:53.57 | mhall | zulu42: i just figured it might be good to try there as well |
| 21:54.02 | zulu42 | How did you know about french? |
| 21:54.17 | Eulex | jon_k, but this doesn't affect the overall stability, right? |
| 21:54.22 | zulu42 | you right |
| 21:54.38 | dorileo | I'm running sid |
| 21:54.59 | dondelelcaro | dorileo: use rottorrent or bittorrent that is already packaged for debian |
| 21:55.10 | LilAero | XFree86: ERR: 'no screens found' EXT INFO: 'Undefined Monitor "Compaq MV740" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".' |
| 21:55.27 | mhall | zulu42: well i checked the country of your ISP |
| 21:55.29 | mhall | zulu42: ;-) |
| 21:55.40 | mhall | zulu42: also, some of your expressions seemed french |
| 21:55.43 | Eulex | !no screens found |
| 21:55.43 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 21:55.52 | LilAero | That doesn't help whatsoever. |
| 21:55.55 | mhall | Eulex: :-D |
| 21:55.56 | LilAero | Been there, done that. |
| 21:56.09 | valdyn | LilAero: there's a monitor section too, look for it, the Monitor specified in the Screen section needs to have a suitable monitor section.. |
| 21:56.21 | Eulex | LilAero, you've messed up your XFree86.0.log. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will setup it correctly |
| 21:56.31 | mhall | LilAero: your problem is you are missing some conf section named compaq mv740 for your monitor |
| 21:56.33 | dondelelcaro | LilAero: you have a monitor section which doesn't contain the same name as the one your screen section references. |
| 21:56.43 | mhall | LilAero: did you h4x0r the conf file without making a backup |
| 21:56.48 | grelli | dondelelcaro: did you want the dpkg output in #flood? |
| 21:56.50 | mhall | !tell LilAero about drxx |
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| 21:57.18 | dondelelcaro | grelli: sure |
| 21:57.27 | dondelelcaro | grelli: the paster bot will work as well |
| 21:57.33 | SimonRaven | jon_k: that's one, one, 1 package out of 17000+. that's hardly a borked repo... |
| 21:57.39 | grelli | there's a paster bot now? |
| 21:57.43 | dondelelcaro | !pasater |
| 21:57.47 | grelli | this is what happens when I don't come and visit |
| 21:57.47 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 21:57.47 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 21:58.04 | ilona | dondelelcaro, !pasta? ;) |
| 21:58.10 | dn4 | the super bowl is the world leading mind control event |
| 21:58.17 | zulu42 | mhall, what do you mean? I don't lost my latin :) |
| 21:58.23 | Eulex | jon_k, xine-ui works well here. |
| 21:58.28 | SimonRaven | maybe he's hungry and his typing is telling him he is ;) |
| 21:58.31 | mhall | zulu42: ? |
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| 21:58.50 | zulu42 | mhall, big sorry about that |
| 21:58.51 | grelli | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1748 |
| 21:58.54 | mhall | dn4: as long as i get hot barbeque off the grill without having to pay i don't care |
| 21:59.01 | dondelelcaro | nah, I'm just talking through a really laggy network connection |
| 21:59.13 | mhall | zulu42: no worries; it's just a little hard to follow you sometimes :-) |
| 21:59.27 | mhall | zulu42: i'm sure i do the same thing to germans in german sometimes |
| 21:59.36 | SimonRaven | dn4: i bet more people watch football (the real football - soccer) championships |
| 21:59.47 | mhall | zulu42: and to my fellow americans in american, too :-) |
| 22:00.00 | mhall | dondelelcaro: you should have seen this troll in here earlier |
| 22:00.10 | zulu42 | ;) |
| 22:00.14 | mhall | dondelelcaro: the first line he came in, thingfish and i spotted him |
| 22:00.28 | mhall | dondelelcaro: and he kept going and nobody would kick him |
| 22:00.32 | yosef | jon_k, I figured it out... the wrong audio sink was set in gconf |
| 22:00.35 | mhall | dondelelcaro: he even started a distro war |
| 22:00.46 | mhall | dondelelcaro: he knew a lot of bot facts so it was an inside job |
| 22:00.48 | dn4 | mhall, how on god's green earth can you manage to get such a blessing? |
| 22:00.52 | SimonRaven | mhall: who's this? |
| 22:01.02 | mhall | SimonRaven: oobun2 was his nick |
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| 22:01.10 | SimonRaven | nods |
| 22:01.19 | mhall | dondelelcaro: luckily though he finally did get shitcanned after like 20 minutes |
| 22:01.26 | mhall | SimonRaven: a troll nick if you ever saw one |
| 22:01.36 | mhall | SimonRaven: and he spelled debain and ubuntoo wrong too |
| 22:01.46 | SimonRaven | not even that clever |
| 22:01.51 | mhall | SimonRaven: so there was no way it could be legit; the misspellings morphed over time |
| 22:02.00 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 22:02.05 | mhall | SimonRaven: not even BFINNY quality |
| 22:02.11 | mhall | PINTO |
| 22:02.14 | mhall | was funnier |
| 22:02.17 | SimonRaven | meh |
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| 22:02.30 | kspath | BEANS! |
| 22:02.37 | mhall | dn4: well my dad is a doc |
| 22:02.46 | mhall | dn4: and the docs know how to hook a brother up :-) |
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| 22:03.57 | dondelelcaro | mhall: *shrug* |
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| 22:04.40 | mhall | kspath: hehe |
| 22:04.52 | kspath | anyone have any information regarding who/what happened to debianplanet.org? |
| 22:05.44 | SimonRaven | ugh, just read lastlog. sounds like any other distro troll ... *snore* |
| 22:05.45 | grelli | dondelelcaro: any thoughts? |
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| 22:05.59 | ParoXsitiC | Can someone help me on settingup DHCP |
| 22:06.18 | ParoXsitiC | DHCP was autoconfigured and installed during installation, but after the base system was installed, it no longer worked |
| 22:06.35 | ParoXsitiC | (no modem status lights anymore, whereas on install there was) |
| 22:06.43 | mhall | SimonRaven: no the part that was more interesting was that we let him start a distro war and make a mess of the channel |
| 22:06.49 | mhall | SimonRaven: when it was obvious what he was doing |
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| 22:08.49 | mhall | !test |
| 22:08.49 | dpkg | Sorry, mhall, I didn't get your test. |
| 22:09.00 | mhall | this is way too quiet for sunday |
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| 22:09.05 | dondelelcaro | grelli: which version of hall is that? |
| 22:09.13 | jjazz | mhall: super bowl |
| 22:09.16 | SimonRaven | sorry mhall, i didn't get your ! |
| 22:09.19 | mhall | jjazz: ah |
| 22:09.26 | prp | dose anyone have an ideea if it is posible to redirect SPAM mail's to a spam directory udner user's imap folder.. with a configuration like this: postfix/courier-imap with clamav and sa using mysql with virtual domains ? |
| 22:09.33 | grelli | dondelelcaro: Version: 0.5.6-2 |
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| 22:09.34 | emergo | how can I search for an expression <hello> inside a text file somewhere on my disk ? |
| 22:09.37 | TheReverant | hey |
| 22:09.44 | mhall | jjazz: so afterward when the sunday crazies are hopped up on beer and can't drive home |
| 22:09.45 | jjazz | emergo: man grep |
| 22:09.49 | mhall | jjazz: then we get slammed on |
| 22:09.49 | dondelelcaro | grelli: hrm... that's almost definetly against policy |
| 22:09.49 | TheReverant | SerajewelKS: you there? |
| 22:09.58 | grelli | dondelelcaro: how so? |
| 22:10.01 | jjazz | mhall: Most people just drive home anyway. |
| 22:10.09 | emergo | jjazz: can grep search the entire disk ? |
| 22:10.10 | kspath | what is a superbowl? |
| 22:10.18 | jjazz | emergo: sure |
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| 22:10.46 | SimonRaven | kspath: something boring as hell, but causes a lot of chaos for everyone around it |
| 22:11.11 | jjazz | kspath: It's the American football championship game |
| 22:11.14 | x-x-_ | jjazz: grep is not meant to search, use find |
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| 22:11.25 | TheReverant | i cannot move aprtition onto another hard drive right? |
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| 22:11.32 | ronin | hey now dont be slamming beer, i just made 21L of that holy liquid :) |
| 22:11.32 | jjazz | x-x-_: Find works too. |
| 22:11.38 | mhall | SimonRaven: geeks of the world unie behind you |
| 22:11.42 | dondelelcaro | grelli: actually, it looks like hal is doing the right thing... |
| 22:11.51 | x-x-_ | TheReverant: yes, dump it using dd and restore to a different hdd |
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| 22:11.55 | kspath | SimonRaven:jjazz: oh that crap! What a waste of time/money. |
| 22:11.56 | grelli | dondelelcaro: and it's not just hal that's doing it too |
| 22:12.02 | TheReverant | x-x-_: dd? |
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| 22:12.08 | grelli | I've had the same behaviour from mythtv-common |
| 22:12.11 | TheReverant | sorry cant google for that, wont give useful results |
| 22:12.13 | grelli | but that's not an official package |
| 22:12.18 | x-x-_ | TheReverant: man dd |
| 22:12.18 | dondelelcaro | adduser --disabled-password --quiet --system --home /var/run/hal --gecos "Hardware abstraction layer" --group hal; does what? |
| 22:12.25 | jjazz | kspath: Some people are into it. I can't really look down on them... I get way into baseball. |
| 22:12.33 | knoxy | how I remove X (gnome/kde/all) and all packages integrateds? |
| 22:12.39 | dondelelcaro | grelli: can you give the contents of /etc/groups and /etc/passwd |
| 22:13.08 | grelli | dondelelcaro: it created properly with a gid of 106 |
| 22:13.23 | jjazz | kspath: When done right, the game is pastoral art. If you can't see that, you're a philistine. :P |
| 22:13.29 | grelli | and then dpkg installed hal cleanly |
| 22:13.57 | ronin | kspath: basball, football, real football, mtn biking we all have our addictions :) |
| 22:13.59 | kspath | My opinion is if Judo and TKD and KungFu and Karate and other martial arts competitions are not shown and reported than football and baseball and basketball can take a flying leap. |
| 22:14.15 | grelli | dondelelcaro: and now installing mythtv-common exited cleanly, and created the necessary group |
| 22:14.22 | knoxy | how I remove X (gnome/kde/all) and all packages depends? |
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| 22:14.40 | jjazz | kspath: If those competitions were more poplar, they would be shown. But they're not. |
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| 22:15.07 | kspath | jjazz: hence my irritation with things/people popular |
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| 22:15.27 | ronin | kspath must be irritated a lot :) |
| 22:15.29 | kspath | jjazz: most things I like/appreciate are not popular. |
| 22:15.52 | jjazz | kspath: You're either a contrarian or a pervert. :P |
| 22:16.02 | ronin | *cough* perv ;) |
| 22:16.07 | kspath | ronin: I am irritated quite often in point of fact. TV is a waste of time mostly. |
| 22:16.16 | SimonRaven | contrarian from what i've seen |
| 22:16.21 | ronin | kspath: cant argue with your opinion of tc |
| 22:16.22 | ronin | tv |
| 22:16.38 | ParoXsitiC | Does anyone know how to re-run the DHCP autoconfiguration that runs upon installation |
| 22:16.38 | kspath | jjazz: There is nothing contrary in appreciating things that others lack the ability or knowledge to notice/appreciate/care about. |
| 22:16.39 | jjazz | kspath: There's some good TV out there... most of it is baseball. |
| 22:16.39 | grelli | dondelelcaro: things seem to be playing nice now, not sure what caused it but thanks for the help |
| 22:16.57 | napoleao | has anyone else experience a problem like this...I have compiled the fglrx-driver and kernel fine using apt-get. When I use the fglrx driver my kde runs in a fuzzy way, and is not possible to see the screen properly |
| 22:17.14 | jjazz | kspath: Yeah, I was just kidding. I have some esoteric interests too. |
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| 22:17.30 | SimonRaven | ParoXsitiC: try dpkg-reconfigure dhcp-server or something. the configure-debian package can tell you. but this is just a guess |
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| 22:18.11 | kspath | jjazz: I do not mind baseball fans watching baseball but I do get annoyed when things like football/baseball/basketball push other things which are better for people are almost excluded. |
| 22:18.19 | kspath | and I am offtopic |
| 22:18.39 | kspath | No, I did not enjoy it. |
| 22:19.05 | jjazz | kspath: Thankfully, the internet will eventually bring us a thousand niche entertainment channels and you'll get your niche content. |
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| 22:19.24 | TheReverant | x-x-_: i dont exactly get how you mean that, i should copy the partition whereto? |
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| 22:20.04 | SimonRaven | kspath: heh |
| 22:20.36 | ParoXsitiC | What is the difference from dhcp-server and dhcp-client. Which one will I need in order to access Comcast to receieve the needed info |
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| 22:20.47 | dorileo | dondelelcaro: rottorrent? I didn't find any package named like this |
| 22:20.53 | SimonRaven | ParoXsitiC: client |
| 22:20.58 | dondelelcaro | dorileo: rtorrent |
| 22:21.02 | dondelelcaro | dorileo: it's in unstable |
| 22:21.05 | DrAllcome | Hey, does anybody have a clue why I can not hear anything anymore? |
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| 22:21.10 | SimonRaven | ParoXsitiC: usually that's a no config required thing |
| 22:21.19 | SimonRaven | !tell ParoXsitiC -about dhcp |
| 22:21.24 | SimonRaven | !tell ParoXsitiC -about interfaces |
| 22:21.26 | Gnea | ParoXsitiC: dhcp-server spits ip addresses out, dhcp-client accepts ip addresses |
| 22:21.52 | Gnea | DrAllcome: you stood too close to a speaker? |
| 22:21.55 | DrAllcome | Have a Debian Sarge with oss and it worked fine. After a package update and a reboot it doesen't work anymore! |
| 22:22.11 | ParoXsitiC | SimonRaven: During installation when it ran autoconfiguration of DHCP, it found it and was sucessful (modem lights on). After installation no modem lights, no internet |
| 22:22.12 | DrAllcome | Gnea, hehe :) |
| 22:22.13 | zzer | !tell ParoXsitiC -about shit |
| 22:22.28 | dorileo | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 22:22.30 | Gnea | ALSA > OSS |
| 22:22.37 | DrAllcome | Gnea, do you understand a little about sound under debian!? |
| 22:22.38 | x-x-_ | TheReverant: you need to boot e.g. off a livecd, run `dd` to dump the desired partition to a different partition for backup |
| 22:22.40 | bobbens | ALSA >>>>>> OSS |
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| 22:22.48 | Gnea | DrAllcome: yes, OSS sucks. |
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| 22:23.10 | DrAllcome | Gnea, bobbens, what means that? |
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| 22:23.24 | bobbens | DrAllcome: alsa is alot, alot better then oss |
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| 22:23.30 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 22:23.43 | Gnea | DrAllcome: it means OSS is crap, it's worthless, you shouldn't be using it |
| 22:23.47 | cire | How may I add a SWAP Partition after normal installation. (creating SWAP Partition while installation didn't work) |
| 22:23.52 | DrAllcome | Gnea, installed also alsa now but which pakages do I need? |
| 22:23.52 | Gnea | !alsa |
| 22:23.52 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 22:24.05 | Gnea | DrAllcome: apt-cache search alsa |
| 22:24.16 | DrAllcome | dpkg, thank you ... |
| 22:24.16 | dpkg | DrAllcome: no worries |
| 22:24.29 | Gnea | DrAllcome: libraries and utilities |
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| 22:24.30 | TheReverant | x-x-_: alright, thanks so far, the partition i want to move is 30 gb and 23 gb are used, the partition i want to move it to is 60 gb, can i store the image there and also play it ont oth partitino from there? |
| 22:24.37 | DrAllcome | Thx to all, Gnea, bobbens |
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| 22:25.28 | SimonRaven | zzer: if you're not going to help be quiet and maybe you'll learn something |
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| 22:25.44 | SimonRaven | ParoXsitiC: yeh. read what the bot told you, it'll set you up |
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| 22:27.09 | x-x-_ | TheReverant: you can duplicate it, just remember to modify your bootloadercorrectly |
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| 22:28.04 | TheReverant | x-x-_: no my problem is: i only got 1 partition to store the image on, and that is the one where i want t orestore it at |
| 22:28.09 | TheReverant | does that work? |
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| 22:29.28 | sifi-xz | does sourceforge.net and freshmeat.net publish Free Software, Open Software or both? |
| 22:30.05 | blondie | yes |
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| 22:30.42 | x-x-_ | TheReverant: it should, go read some info on dd, on howto backup raw data |
| 22:31.07 | TheReverant | alright, much thanks x-x-_ |
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| 22:32.29 | squisher | hi, anyone knows why my sitebar causes an Internal Server Error now saying "Script not within configured docroot"? |
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| 22:33.35 | squisher | I have not yet seen that out of configured docroot error, I have a <directory> setting "allow from all" and I thought that was sufficient? |
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| 22:35.03 | archpollux | hi |
| 22:35.09 | archpollux | i am having problems with kded after upgrading from kde 3.5.0 to 3.5.1 |
| 22:35.13 | archpollux | i created a new account and there is no problem, so i'm suspecting a config file problem |
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| 22:35.39 | teclo | how do you say "external scsi enclosure" in german ? |
| 22:35.55 | ronin | with a thick accent teclo |
| 22:36.19 | squisher | teclo: Externes SCSI Gehaeuse |
| 22:36.22 | topaz | make sure you spit the x and slur the scsi |
| 22:36.40 | topaz | exterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnessss shsee gehoose |
| 22:36.51 | topaz | i lied |
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| 22:37.25 | teclo | squisher: danke |
| 22:37.38 | epsilon | äkstärnäs skazi gähäusä |
| 22:37.55 | squisher | teclo: np |
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| 22:38.47 | aarchie | My 'reportbug' claims that "APT prefers testing" when it generates bug reports but I definitely have given stable a higher priority in my '/etc/apt/preferences'. Is this a problem? |
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| 22:42.19 | aarchie | Also I'm sure you guys know but the FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/) isn't loading- looks like its disk is full- "IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device". |
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| 22:43.58 | SimonRaven | kipaskinahcikehk wayawitimayihk scsi |
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| 22:44.29 | SimonRaven | aarchie: yeh, tell tarzeau |
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| 22:44.39 | amee2k | does debian come with a template for init scripts? |
| 22:45.01 | amee2k | nm |
| 22:45.02 | _eLMo_ | I've been looking for 30 minutes now, but I can't seem to find how to say that kdm/xdm has to start KDE, instead of Gnome (yes I have KDE installed) |
| 22:45.04 | amee2k | found it |
| 22:45.10 | SimonRaven | /etc/init.d/{skeleton,README} |
| 22:45.38 | aarchie | SimonRaven: send him a private message about the server problem you mean? |
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| 22:46.02 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: the wiki has a full disk |
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| 22:46.17 | SimonRaven | like that :) |
| 22:46.45 | _eLMo_ | Anyone got any tips for my problem? |
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| 22:47.00 | zenwryly | how can I test my sound installation? I have an MP3 file but XMMS doesn't even play it. |
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| 22:47.12 | depakote | Howdy, I am installing from a 3.1 dvd of debian -- It seems my connection is not working, I am using a "st3200826as" harddrive and getting the following error "No partitionable media" "Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine." |
| 22:47.14 | squisher | zenwryly: mpg123? |
| 22:47.32 | zenwryly | I was hoping for something not mp3 related |
| 22:47.36 | aarchie | _eLMo_: you should be able to choose between kde & gnome when logging in, no matter whether you're using kdm or xdm. It should be one of the options. |
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| 22:47.57 | squisher | depakote: sounds like your ide-controller is not supported - newer sata system maybe? |
| 22:48.16 | aarchie | SimonRaven: good example! |
| 22:48.22 | strider_ | zenwryly: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:48.22 | nikko | hi... I would like to install DC++... When I try to install the program, I get the message "Cheking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4... failed"... what to do? |
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| 22:48.33 | dr1v3r | is there anyway of being able to stop the apchee webserver running on root but having it available to other users? |
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| 22:48.34 | zenwryly | strider_: ok, thanks |
| 22:48.40 | archpollux | nikko: isn't that a windows program? |
| 22:48.49 | dr1v3r | *apache2 |
| 22:48.54 | nikko | yeah.... it is... |
| 22:49.00 | _eLMo_ | aarchie: omg, that was so simple I didn't even think of it :x Thanks. |
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| 22:49.44 | nikko | sorry....its not... I got the program from the DC++ linux projekt... |
| 22:49.54 | archpollux | nikko: then you're in the wrong channel |
| 22:49.55 | aarchie | _eLMo_: no problem! |
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| 22:50.05 | archpollux | nikko: ah |
| 22:50.15 | archpollux | nikko: then install the latest version of gtk2 |
| 22:50.23 | nikko | Im sleeping... :0) |
| 22:50.57 | nikko | and how to do that? |
| 22:50.57 | ArchAngel | Okay, I need some help. I'm installing debian, and i just got past the part where it asks you what it needs to install (Desktop environment, mail server, file server, etc). |
| 22:50.57 | jjazz | nikko: apt-get install -t unstable libgtk2.0-0 |
| 22:50.57 | strider_ | nikko: compiling? |
| 22:51.17 | jjazz | nikko: apt-get install -t unstable libgtk2.0-0-dev <-- if compiling |
| 22:51.18 | m1ke_l | archangel: that mselect bothers me....just quit out of it and apt-get install everythign |
| 22:51.40 | ArchAngel | I chose Desktop environment. |
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| 22:51.47 | aarchie | zenwryly: maybe worth trying the tips on http://www.linux.com/howtos/Alsa-sound-7.shtml |
| 22:51.48 | ArchAngel | Hold on, i have to go check what it says so i can tell you. |
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| 22:52.27 | ArchAngel | It says Get: ## http://security.debian.org [another link here] k-something |
| 22:52.31 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 22:52.42 | nikko | it says that libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version... |
| 22:52.44 | ribnitz | Any means to speed up dvd burning speed? |
| 22:52.55 | zenwryly | aarchie: thanks |
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| 22:53.03 | m1ke_l | ribnitz: possible flashing dvd player itself. |
| 22:53.03 | ArchAngel | And then it got to 31, then showed me a summary of the data it had gathered. Now it's just sitting there. |
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| 22:53.13 | ISV-Kran | great question ribnitz |
| 22:53.13 | Nigromante | Hello, is anyone using the Seahorse package? |
| 22:53.24 | jjazz | nikko: are you running sarge, etch or sid? |
| 22:53.30 | nikko | unstable.... |
| 22:53.37 | dr1v3r | is that possible guys? |
| 22:53.43 | m1ke_l | ribnitz: funny i have the oppisite problem, its slow in windows fast in linux |
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| 22:54.04 | ArchAngel | the last thing it printed was Fetched 32.0MB in 2m52s (220KB/S). and now it's just sitting there, doing nothing. What do i do now? |
| 22:54.06 | ISV-Kran | I get very slow burning speed too :s |
| 22:54.11 | ArchAngel | If you need any more information, tell me. |
| 22:54.18 | jjazz | nikko: Then you might have to get it from cvs or something. |
| 22:54.26 | m1ke_l | archarngel: i'd quit mselect and jsut finish up your install. |
| 22:54.27 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: did you press enter already ? |
| 22:54.30 | ISV-Kran | I have istalled hdparm |
| 22:54.36 | ArchAngel | yes, elmo |
| 22:54.44 | m1ke_l | archangel: then just apt-get install everything you want. |
| 22:54.46 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: then quit, and finish the setup |
| 22:54.47 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: media: imation dvd-r, 8x, on an ND2510A (NEC) |
| 22:54.53 | ArchAngel | type quit? |
| 22:54.54 | amee2k | what tools exist on debian to manage /etc/rc?.d symlinks? |
| 22:55.00 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: press Q i think |
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| 22:55.03 | jjazz | nikko: Or maybe it's in experimental |
| 22:55.04 | ArchAngel | Thanks, be right back. |
| 22:55.05 | bbrazil | amee2k: update-rc.d |
| 22:55.14 | bbrazil | amee2k: see also: file-rc |
| 22:55.16 | skfjhkjh | is here any room in freenode not dealing with open source projects? |
| 22:55.27 | nikko | hm...okay.... is there another similar program that works in linux... .it is still experimental... |
| 22:55.37 | aarchie | My 'reportbug' claims that "APT prefers testing" & only shows the priorities for testing & unstable when it generates bug reports but I definitely have stable in my sources and have given it a higher priority in my '/etc/apt/preferences'. Is this a problem? |
| 22:55.46 | amee2k | hm... |
| 22:55.54 | ArchAngel | _eLMo_: i tried entering Q, quit, and exit. nothing happened. |
| 22:55.58 | jjazz | skfjhkjh: maybe ask that in #freenode |
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| 22:56.13 | skfjhkjh | jjazz, thx ;) |
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| 22:57.02 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: the fact that it works in one and not the other, rules out fw, imo. |
| 22:57.04 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: can't help you then, I have only been using Debian since 4 hours ago ;) :p |
| 22:57.23 | m1ke_l | oh, duh...right. |
| 22:57.27 | nikko | is there some similar programs like dc++ to linux? |
| 22:57.28 | ArchAngel | _eLMo_: well, thanks anyway. i'm sure i'll get it figured out. |
| 22:57.29 | m1ke_l | but i answered before i heard that. |
| 22:57.29 | ribnitz | _eLMo_: and does it suck, as expected? |
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| 22:57.43 | m1ke_l | archangel....ctlt - c |
| 22:57.43 | _eLMo_ | ribnitz: I reaaaallly have to get used to be lazy |
| 22:57.51 | vulture | nikko: distributed C++ compiling? distcc |
| 22:57.54 | _eLMo_ | ribnitz: Gentoo is much more work (and fun to do imho) |
| 22:57.56 | ArchAngel | m1ke: thanks, trying that now |
| 22:58.10 | _eLMo_ | ribnitz: but this is easier |
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| 22:58.33 | muntyan | how to make apt-get not complain about verification/authentication? (in etch) |
| 22:58.39 | ribnitz | _eLMo_: we dont force you to use debian. My personal opinion is that gentoo is too much hassle for any decent large-scale deployment. |
| 22:58.39 | m1ke_l | archangel: basically debian is installed now, but there are no apps yet. just break out of the installer, log in and apt-get your apps |
| 22:58.51 | m1ke_l | ribnitz: i agree. |
| 22:58.53 | ArchAngel | m1ke: pressing Ctrl+C prints ^C to the screen. pressing enter after that does nothing |
| 22:58.57 | nikko | ok...thanks |
| 22:59.12 | m1ke_l | archangel: hit ctl-alt-f2 |
| 22:59.18 | m1ke_l | do you get a new login prompt? |
| 22:59.21 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: And K3b is just a front end so the real problem is growisofs... |
| 22:59.33 | _eLMo_ | ribnitz: Yeah, well the reason I am using Debian, is because it has a good community, and I don't have the compile times... ( Gentoo did start -MUCH- faster though, but hey, I only start once a day ) |
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| 23:00.02 | ArchAngel | m1ke: no, it just says atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed ... |
| 23:00.07 | _eLMo_ | ribnitz: but I started with Gentoo (my first distro), so I'm used to that. |
| 23:00.17 | _eLMo_ | Just need to get it out of my system :p |
| 23:00.21 | ribnitz | _eLMo_: you start once a day?- I have servers around that basically havent been booted for half a year.. |
| 23:00.31 | _eLMo_ | ribnitz: this is not a server ;)_ |
| 23:00.36 | _eLMo_ | This is my workstation |
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| 23:00.51 | _eLMo_ | My server is running gentoo still |
| 23:00.51 | m1ke_l | our UNIX servers reboot every thursday night. |
| 23:00.53 | ribnitz | _eLMo_: thats different then, agreed. |
| 23:01.04 | _eLMo_ | m1ke_l: why ? |
| 23:01.11 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: Any reason for weekly reboot? |
| 23:01.37 | _eLMo_ | Haha, now we're getting it :p |
| 23:01.49 | m1ke_l | not that i know....they just do it. |
| 23:02.01 | ArchAngel | m1ke: ctrl+alt+any_key does nothing it just prints out an Unknown Key Pressed/Unknown Key Released error to my screen. |
| 23:02.01 | _eLMo_ | lol |
| 23:02.08 | m1ke_l | our windows servers have longer uptimes than our unix ones |
| 23:02.13 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: press F-Lock |
| 23:02.19 | _eLMo_ | on your keyboard |
| 23:02.23 | ArchAngel | oh, haha. right, be right back |
| 23:02.34 | gabor_e | What set the default permission of opt dir if I change it manually? |
| 23:02.35 | m1ke_l | f lock? |
| 23:02.46 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: You have windows servers?- who would want windows servers? |
| 23:02.51 | m1ke_l | 755 |
| 23:02.59 | ArchAngel | _eLMo_: that did it, thanks. |
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| 23:03.05 | _eLMo_ | m1ke_l: stupid logitech keyboard, with F-lock, if you don't turn it on, you get 'special keys' like Reply, Undo etc |
| 23:03.06 | m1ke_l | well, i just became the Linux Team Lead....ooooooooo |
| 23:03.18 | m1ke_l | no more windows for m1ke!! |
| 23:03.24 | _eLMo_ | m1ke_l: gratz ^-^ |
| 23:03.27 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: Grats.. |
| 23:03.39 | m1ke_l | thank |
| 23:03.48 | m1ke_l | now, to convert those RH servers to debian!! |
| 23:03.56 | _eLMo_ | Red hat ? |
| 23:03.59 | _eLMo_ | As a server ? |
| 23:04.02 | _eLMo_ | :x |
| 23:04.16 | m1ke_l | the same poeple that reboot UNIX weekly made the RH decision. |
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| 23:04.50 | ribnitz | m1ke_l: 36 mins to burn a dvd-r (DVD5) in K3b.. |
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| 23:05.13 | elturcin | question: I've setup a vpn server on my debian machine, and everytime someone connects a new device is create and sets the ip to 0.90 and p-t-p ip to a .234+(dhcp) |
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| 23:05.39 | elturcin | how can I forward all traffic coming from those devices to another ip |
| 23:05.47 | The_Login | how do i know if the framebuffer is activated |
| 23:05.53 | Adi_1 | Hi, when I want to untar linux...tar.gz kernel it say me tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers. What is that meen ? |
| 23:06.00 | The_Login | i want to use mplayer with framebuffer |
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| 23:06.19 | m1ke_l | the_login...do you get a penguin icon at boot? |
| 23:06.28 | The_Login | no |
| 23:06.34 | m1ke_l | then i don't think you have fb |
| 23:06.38 | elturcin | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -s 192.168.0.90 --dport XXXX -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.XX |
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| 23:06.52 | elturcin | but that doesn't work, I have to specify the device parameter and then works...any ideas? |
| 23:06.55 | m1ke_l | thats the only trick i know |
| 23:07.06 | The_Login | whatis the kernel parameter that i can check |
| 23:07.18 | _eLMo_ | m1ke_l: RH was prolly the first thing that came them to mind when thinking of *nix ;) haha. |
| 23:07.54 | elturcin | anyone? :) |
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| 23:08.31 | m1ke_l | they are huge vendor support monkeys....they don't do anything without HP on the phone. |
| 23:08.35 | m1ke_l | applied same logic to linux. |
| 23:08.43 | _eLMo_ | Haha :) |
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| 23:10.48 | kspath | mike_l: I had similar issues with people that obsessed over SUN crap. They paid for gold support and half the time they did not have a clueful person available for 8-72 hours. Wow someone answered the phone in less than 2 hours yippie. Shame they can not answer any questions we felt like asking within 24 hours most times. |
| 23:10.51 | Adi_1 | Hi, when I want to untar linux...tar.gz kernel it say me tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers. What is that meen ? |
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| 23:11.22 | ArchAngel | now, for my next trick... i'm getting an error every few minutes while floundering about trying to figure out how apt-get works. the error goes like this: |
| 23:11.50 | _eLMo_ | kspath: imho, you have to have the expertise inside your company, and not rely on others.. |
| 23:11.55 | _eLMo_ | kspath: prolly cheaper too |
| 23:12.00 | azeem | Adi_1: where do you have that tarball from? |
| 23:12.12 | The_Login | i got frame bufer in the config file how can i enable it on grub ? |
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| 23:12.35 | ArchAngel | hdd: command error: error=0x50 |
| 23:12.39 | ArchAngel | end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector <a long string of numbers and characters> |
| 23:12.55 | ArchAngel | Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block ###### |
| 23:12.56 | azeem | ArchAngel: that is unrelated to apt-get |
| 23:13.01 | kspath | elmo: exactly, but they required a support contract so they could justify anything to someone higher up. We almost had current and former staff start companies so we could deal with the FUD. |
| 23:13.03 | ArchAngel | yes, but what does that mean? |
| 23:13.10 | azeem | ArchAngel: rather looks like a broken harrdisk |
| 23:13.16 | Adi_1 | i use tar -zxvvfn file in shell |
| 23:13.16 | azeem | kspath: ugh, elmo is somebody else |
| 23:13.24 | _eLMo_ | kspath: :/ |
| 23:13.26 | ArchAngel | oh, joy. do you mean to say that my ten-year-old hard disk is finally cratering? |
| 23:13.37 | kspath | I am too lazy to deal with odd names |
| 23:13.46 | azeem | ArchAngel: if is that old, most probably |
| 23:13.48 | ISV-Kran | ArchAngel: this is problem on jhardisk surface, not from apt-get |
| 23:13.51 | Adi_1 | i use tar -zxvvf file.tar.gz in shell |
| 23:13.57 | azeem | ArchAngel: check for some harddisk utils |
| 23:14.03 | Adi_1 | and I cannt untar it why ? |
| 23:14.03 | SimonRaven | Adi_1: zxf is plenty - f is for file, you want that last anyway |
| 23:14.11 | azeem | ArchAngel: that is fine, does it work for other tarballs? |
| 23:14.29 | ArchAngel | azeem: where or how would I go about doing this? |
| 23:14.34 | azeem | eh, s/ArchAngel/Adi_1/ |
| 23:14.47 | TheReverant | cy@ll |
| 23:15.16 | Adi_1 | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 23:15.30 | azeem | Adi_1: the tarball might be corrupted |
| 23:15.30 | Adi_1 | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 23:15.41 | Adi_1 | how to fix it |
| 23:15.48 | Adi_1 | i just install debian |
| 23:15.48 | ArchAngel | will this error interfere with anything? |
| 23:15.58 | Adi_1 | sarge 3.1 |
| 23:16.00 | azeem | Adi_1: where do you have that tarball from? |
| 23:16.12 | ArchAngel | well, will it interfere with anything other than console output? |
| 23:16.15 | azeem | ArchAngel: if it really is a broken harddisk, yes |
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| 23:16.31 | ArchAngel | azeem: well, then... what disk utilities might fix this? |
| 23:16.32 | azeem | ArchAngel: you should start backing up stuff |
| 23:16.37 | Adi_1 | here /usr/local/src/kernel |
| 23:16.40 | azeem | ArchAngel: you cannot fix broken harddisks |
| 23:16.56 | azeem | Adi_1: where from the internet, I mean |
| 23:17.09 | ArchAngel | azeem: erm... i knew that. =P guess i'd better start looking for a new one. |
| 23:17.27 | Adi_1 | I use included tar |
| 23:17.29 | kspath | azeem: You can use repair operation/option 1 which is hitting it with a hammer but that is usally just for tension release. |
| 23:17.32 | azeem | disk utilities might prove it is broken, though |
| 23:17.40 | Adi_1 | i didnt download it, but linux*-kernel is from |
| 23:17.42 | Adi_1 | kernel.org |
| 23:17.50 | Adi_1 | len...tar.gz |
| 23:17.59 | azeem | Adi_1: it was already on the harddisk? |
| 23:18.01 | Adi_1 | linux-kernel.tar.gz i mean |
| 23:18.17 | Adi_1 | no, I mount it from win |
| 23:18.18 | azeem | Adi_1: what does file linux-kernel.tar.gz say? |
| 23:18.43 | Adi_1 | nothing, I just cannt untar it, thats all |
| 23:18.56 | azeem | it says nothing? |
| 23:19.00 | azeem | file is a command |
| 23:19.17 | Adi_1 | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 23:19.44 | ArchAngel | how does apt-get work? when i type it into the prompt, it prints out a help message that goes off the top of the screen so that i can't see all of it. |
| 23:19.57 | archpollux | ArchAngel: apt-get update |
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| 23:20.02 | ArchAngel | thanks arch |
| 23:20.05 | kspath | Any update on status of debianplanet.com? |
| 23:20.07 | archpollux | ArchAngel: apt-get install <package-name> |
| 23:20.16 | archpollux | ArchAngel: man apt-get |
| 23:20.20 | Adi_1 | what ever I use with tar -zxvf etc I get same output |
| 23:20.31 | azeem | Adi_1: did you try another tar.gz file? |
| 23:20.47 | azeem | Adi_1: also, try gunzip linux-image.tar.gz first |
| 23:20.54 | azeem | then tar xf linux-image.tar |
| 23:21.17 | zenwryly | Only root can access audio devices. Should I just change permissions on the devices or is there another tool I can use to enable sound for all users? |
| 23:21.24 | ArchAngel | E: Could not open lock file <directory> ... permission is denied |
| 23:21.35 | azeem | ArchAngel: you need to be root |
| 23:21.41 | ArchAngel | that was what i was about to ask. |
| 23:21.42 | Adi_1 | gunzip: linux....tar.gz : unexpected end of file |
| 23:21.45 | azeem | zenwryly: add yourself to the relevant group |
| 23:21.45 | ArchAngel | right, then. |
| 23:21.52 | SimonRaven | zenwryly: no, add the relevant users to group audio |
| 23:21.55 | azeem | Adi_1: so it is a broken file |
| 23:22.01 | azeem | Adi_1: redownload/reget a good one |
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| 23:22.20 | Adi_1 | ok I ll try |
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| 23:23.01 | cbx33 | anyone here used the bootcd utilities |
| 23:23.03 | cbx33 | ? |
| 23:23.20 | ArchAngel | okay, i tried it as root, but i got E: Could not open lock file <directory> ... Temporarily Unavailabe when i did it this time |
| 23:23.29 | zenwryly | SimonRaven, azeem: thanks |
| 23:23.30 | ArchAngel | then i got a series of errors saying something about i-node block. |
| 23:23.44 | azeem | ArchAngel: broken harddisk again |
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| 23:23.56 | azeem | ArchAngel: there's not much use continueing to use this system |
| 23:24.15 | azeem | ArchAngel: boot from a livecd, make backups, buy a new harddisk, reinstal/restore backkup |
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| 23:24.26 | Adi_1 | thank you: azeem |
| 23:24.33 | ArchAngel | azeem: that really blows. i guess i'll have to have a new hard-drive installed. thanks for the help. |
| 23:24.48 | ArchAngel | (that last part was directed at anyone who answered me.) |
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| 23:25.44 | xiaogil | have you hear about tannenbaum books ? |
| 23:25.48 | xiaogil | heard |
| 23:25.59 | benjamindees | using the savage driver on Sarge, with acceleration enabled, causes X to lock up periodically when scrolling Firefox. SuSE 9.3 seems to have a similar issue with the nv driver. anyone want to help track this down? |
| 23:26.12 | imodiris | hello |
| 23:26.53 | jimb0 | !ntfs |
| 23:26.53 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs was Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 23:26.53 | imodiris | i search help. i've made a new mail server in imap on debian. I install imp / horde... And i don't arrived to pass it in french. Someone can help me please??? |
| 23:27.09 | jimb0 | !captiventfs |
| 23:27.10 | dpkg | captive is probably The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom |
| 23:27.18 | ISV-Kran | I've have read "Computer Networks" ....incredible book |
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| 23:29.45 | tarzeau | asg: i'm so sorry |
| 23:29.52 | tarzeau | asg: my harddisk is only 1.4 gb |
| 23:30.03 | tarzeau | asg: the problem is the exim and spams... |
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| 23:31.12 | ParoXsitiC | How can I tell if linux has correctly installed my NIC |
| 23:31.20 | topaz | Bang it a few times |
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| 23:31.36 | ParoXsitiC | lspci -vv |
| 23:31.56 | azeem | topaz: huh? |
| 23:31.57 | glen__ | whats a good cd emulator for debian |
| 23:32.07 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, ifconfig |
| 23:32.39 | benjamindees | glen__, bochs :p |
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| 23:33.04 | ParoXsitiC | I see. Well my problem is that my Modem and my NIC cant communicate (thus I cant use DHCP) . I am basis 'communication' by the green lights |
| 23:33.26 | ParoXsitiC | However, the NIC on my XP machine will communicate to the Linux NIC |
| 23:33.32 | ParoXsitiC | VIA crossover cat5 |
| 23:33.42 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: what do you mean with communicate? |
| 23:33.45 | azeem | does pinging work? |
| 23:34.01 | ParoXsitiC | How can I ping my modem? |
| 23:34.05 | azeem | you cannot |
| 23:34.26 | azeem | your NIC and modem typically do not communicate with each other |
| 23:34.29 | EdLin | !nickometer ParoXsitiC |
| 23:34.31 | dpkg | 'ParoXsitiC' is 8.000% lame, edlin |
| 23:34.37 | azeem | EdLin: thanks for that |
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| 23:35.07 | EdLin | azeem: np :) |
| 23:35.15 | britt | hey does anybody have any experience in configuring linux shares to be readble by macintosh appleshare clients? |
| 23:35.51 | ParoXsitiC | I am trying to get DHCP to work between my NIC (D-Link DFE-530TX+ rev E1) and my modem Surfboard SB31000 |
| 23:36.01 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: why? |
| 23:36.19 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: what do you want to connect to? The internet? your LAN? |
| 23:36.29 | ParoXsitiC | I want to connect to the internet |
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| 23:36.43 | ArchAngel | my dad doesn't believe that my hard drive 'just broke.' can anyone offer me an explanation as to what is apparently broken in my hard drive and why? |
| 23:36.45 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: what is your internet connection like? Dial-up? DSL? |
| 23:36.50 | ParoXsitiC | Cable |
| 23:36.57 | azeem | so via your NIC? |
| 23:37.00 | ParoXsitiC | yeah |
| 23:37.09 | azeem | so what do you need the modem for? |
| 23:37.18 | ParoXsitiC | During Debian installation the autoconfigure of DHCP worked, but now after the install, it does not |
| 23:37.18 | azeem | ArchAngel: is your harddisk really that old? |
| 23:37.23 | benjamindees | ArchAngel, does it make crunching noises? |
| 23:37.24 | ParoXsitiC | Cable modem..... |
| 23:37.28 | ParoXsitiC | I dont have a router |
| 23:37.35 | britt | set the drive ablaze |
| 23:37.36 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: oh, I see |
| 23:37.44 | britt | or beat it with a sledgehammer |
| 23:37.53 | ArchAngel | azeem: i got it in 96. so it is 9 years old. benjamindees: no, it doesn't. |
| 23:37.54 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: I thought you were talking about a modem inside your computer |
| 23:38.02 | streuner | Doesn't we have a factoid for cable modems? |
| 23:38.05 | azeem | ArchAngel: well, everything has its lifespan |
| 23:38.09 | streuner | !listvals cable |
| 23:38.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cable' by value (15 of 66): !cmd execute (.*?) ;; 10base2 ;; bandwidth ;; bpa ;; cat5 ;; category 4 cable standard ;; mtv ;; optushome ;; phlangeackapan ;; ppp over a null modem ;; rfc1686 ;; rs-232 ;; rs232 ;; solomonsbox ;; star topology. |
| 23:38.24 | azeem | ArchAngel: and harddisk usually die at some point, frequently after less than 9 years |
| 23:38.37 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: your HDD has bad sectors, windows just ignores them, and writes somewhere else, but linux warns you. Bad sectors of age, you will probably get more, so best to backup and buy a new one now... |
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| 23:38.58 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: HHD's only cost ~80eu |
| 23:39.07 | _eLMo_ | (for a BIG one) |
| 23:39.48 | ArchAngel | _eLMo_: yeah, i'm going to buy a new one soon. thanks for your help. |
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| 23:39.51 | mhalcrow | I have a RAID5 root. I just installed a separate ATA controller for two of the drive. If I boot Knoppix, I can mdadm --assemble the partitions and mount the RAID. However, I cannot boot from the RAID like I used to ; I am getting "not enough operational devices for md0) (3/5 failed). |
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| 23:39.59 | _eLMo_ | ArchAngel: np ;)_ |
| 23:40.04 | ArchAngel | :) |
| 23:40.08 | Pres-Gas | Has anyone else reported that tor, gdm, and clamav want to create the same group ID? is there a way to get around it? |
| 23:40.09 | mhalcrow | So my question is: does this have to do with the superblock? |
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| 23:40.18 | mhalcrow | And how can I fix this from inside Knoppix? :-) |
| 23:40.48 | ParoXsitiC | I have updated to dhclient3, Inside /e/n/interfaces is 'iface inet eth0 dhcp' and when i run dhcpclient3 eth0 it will run through trying to request 255.255.255.255 and then return that no DHCPOFFERs receieved and something about no leases in database. I dont think its a problem with my DHCP settings but rather the NIC to cable modem connection, perhabs drivers |
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| 23:41.50 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: if ifconfig eth0 shows something, it shouldn't be the driver |
| 23:42.11 | ParoXsitiC | it does show something. So it is not the driver then |
| 23:42.14 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: you said you can communicate with other computers of the network over the NIC, right? |
| 23:42.17 | kspath | Pres-Gas: I am really surprised someone has not created the equivalent of a ports list for GIDs. |
| 23:42.43 | azeem | kspath: most of them are created dynamically |
| 23:42.58 | ParoXsitiC | Yeah, I can use the NIC and crossover cat5 cable to communicate to other computers, but when I hook the cable modem to it directly, it will give me a green light on the NIC side and no green light on the cable modem |
| 23:43.08 | streuner | dpkg, cable modem HOWTO is <reply> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cable-Modem/ |
| 23:43.08 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 23:43.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:43.25 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 23:44.29 | kspath | azeem: I usually decide my own but if various things are wanting/creating/forcing defaults than it will be a little trouble/annoying especially for new people. |
| 23:44.40 | ParoXsitiC | During debian installation I had the cable modem and NIC connected, it went throuhg 'autoconfiuration for DHCP' in which then and only then did the cable modem's light turn green and a connection was found. After the installation and reboot, never again was it found |
| 23:44.52 | gnufan | tarzeau: I uninstalled popcon, when my local MTA wasn't giving me grief, the messages were bounced for other reasons.... |
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| 23:45.17 | tarzeau | gnufan: dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest and use http submit |
| 23:45.30 | tarzeau | gnufan: i think it's a bug to be by mail by default |
| 23:45.30 | worz | I want to have a ssh access, i have access root for ftp, what should i do?it gives an error, i guess it's the public key |
| 23:45.39 | ParoXsitiC | My guess is that the autoconfiguration set the correct settings for it to work, but after all other packages were installed, it got written over? Also another problem is that I used the 'internet' 180MB CD install..not the full CD |
| 23:45.57 | valdyn | Pres-Gas: i doubt those packages use the numerical ids directly, maybe this is a bug in '/usr/sbin/adduser', have you checked the bts? |
| 23:46.19 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: did you read that HOWTO streuner referenced above? |
| 23:46.36 | Pres-Gas | valdyn, bts? bug lists? |
| 23:46.45 | valdyn | !bts |
| 23:46.45 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 23:46.50 | Pres-Gas | LOL |
| 23:46.50 | worz | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). help |
| 23:46.51 | Pres-Gas | thanks |
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| 23:48.27 | valdyn | worz: which command is failing with that error ? |
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| 23:48.58 | gnufan | worz: what are you doing - don't think we earn any brownie points for helping people escalate their privileges |
| 23:48.58 | worz | valdyn, ssh user@system |
| 23:49.14 | worz | gnufan, we are making a game server |
| 23:49.28 | valdyn | worz: does the user exist? did you enter the correct password? |
| 23:49.39 | worz | like the crims |
| 23:49.39 | worz | thecrims.com |
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| 23:49.55 | Pres-Gas | nope...not seeing a GID big for tor |
| 23:49.58 | worz | valdyn, it's root man, i have the password |
| 23:50.04 | worz | but it doesn't ask me for password |
| 23:50.08 | azeem | Pres-Gas: GID big? |
| 23:50.10 | valdyn | worz: try a user that is not root |
| 23:50.14 | Pres-Gas | bug |
| 23:50.24 | ParoXsitiC | azeem: I have read through the Cable Modem FAQ and i cannot locate anything that deals with my problem. I am using sarge and the DHCP is the part that is not assigning me an IP. I have tried DHCPclient3, pump and dhcpcd. none of them are able to find DHCPOFFERs or leases |
| 23:50.26 | Pres-Gas | why would apt be doing this? |
| 23:50.28 | azeem | Pres-Gas: what do you think is a bug? |
| 23:50.28 | kspath | Pres-Gas: I am a bit whacky so I map out all possible services I will/do use and make sure all daemons have their own specific GID and it is the same across all my machines. |
| 23:50.33 | valdyn | Pres-Gas: no, look into the package that contains /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 23:50.34 | bolete | When will KDE 3.5 get into testing? |
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| 23:51.02 | EdLin | bolete: siyh |
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| 23:51.12 | valdyn | Pres-Gas: its unlikely that all those packages are broken, so look into the common thing, which is probably '/usr/sbin/adduser' |
| 23:51.17 | worz | valdyn, gave the same message, i think i should add a public key but i dont know how to do |
| 23:51.22 | gnufan | worz: it will do that if the permissions are wrong, or root is denied ssh access. You may be able to fix the first with ftp chmod |
| 23:51.38 | Pres-Gas | azeem, gdm, tor, and clamav want to be the same GID when getting setup in apt |
| 23:51.53 | Pres-Gas | looking, valdyn |
| 23:51.53 | azeem | Pres-Gas: so they spew out an error? which one? |
| 23:51.56 | valdyn | worz: which ssh client are you using? debians default ssh server does not rely on public keys |
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| 23:52.11 | gnufan | worz: can you fetch /etc/sshd_config using ftp to check if root is allowed.... |
| 23:52.26 | gnufan | worz: /etc/ssh/sshd_config even |
| 23:52.33 | worz | i can, and it's a brazillian distributiion based on debian =) |
| 23:52.34 | azeem | worz: is the client or the server a Debian box? Or both? |
| 23:52.37 | worz | gnufan, i'll check it man |
| 23:52.45 | Pres-Gas | azeem, that GID "x" is not unique |
| 23:52.55 | valdyn | worz: ask their support then, if its not debian, its offtopic here |
| 23:52.56 | EdLin | !based on debian |
| 23:52.56 | dpkg | it has been said that based on debian is Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 23:52.58 | azeem | Pres-Gas: is that an error or a warning? |
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| 23:53.34 | valdyn | certainly an error if this error is how I understand it... |
| 23:53.43 | Pres-Gas | error, package is broken |
| 23:54.11 | azeem | Pres-Gas: paste your /etc/group somewhere, maybe editing away user accounts/sensitive info |
| 23:54.16 | azeem | !paster |
| 23:54.16 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 23:54.33 | Pres-Gas | kspath, so, you set up the GID for each service before installing? |
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| 23:54.59 | kspath | Pres-Gas: define "before installing" |
| 23:55.04 | itsmik | hey anyone interested in either a top notch desktop by alienware or a top notch notebook by compaq? price is 500 each and includes sameday shipping, case, wireless router. message me if interested on aim at ogd443 or msn at mcsltd3@hotmail.com |
| 23:55.09 | Pres-Gas | before apt-get install |
| 23:55.18 | azeem | itsmik: do not spam in here |
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| 23:55.38 | gnufan | worz: if root access is denied... you'd have to use a normal user account, as even if you updated the sshd_config it wouldn't be reread... you could of course fetch and replace the files that define a new user, but a tad risky... Now off to the proper channel :) |
| 23:55.46 | valdyn | Pres-Gas: you're very lazy : see : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351552 |
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| 23:56.30 | kspath | Pres-Gas: I can yes. You decide what works for you. I usually just script it all. |
| 23:56.43 | valdyn | Pres-Gas: only the 1st and 2nd bug are both pointing at your issue |
| 23:56.48 | ParoXsitiC | Does anyone know how what exactly happens during the 'autoconfiguration of DCHP' during install. That seems the only time where DHCP works for me |
| 23:56.49 | bolete | EdLin: I ask only because kde 3.4.3 is so outdated already that they aren't accepting bug reports anymore. |
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| 23:57.06 | archpollux | kmail for me starts up whenever kwallet is accessed, why is this and how can i stop it? |
| 23:57.14 | chicken2 | whats the command to check available disk space on a shell again? |
| 23:57.23 | azeem | chicken2: df |
| 23:57.25 | chicken2 | ty |
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| 23:57.51 | EdLin | bolete: I don't think asking here will make KDE 3.5 go into testing sooner. |
| 23:57.59 | ParoXsitiC | Does anyone know how what exactly happens or how i can find out what happens during the 'autoconfiguration of DCHP' during install. That seems the only time where DHCP works for me |
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| 23:58.20 | RootsLINUX | `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpthreads` >>> how do I fix this? I can't find the package I need to install :( |
| 23:58.31 | FliesLikeALap | ParoXsitiC, typing dhclient [interface] in the terminal does the same thing as is done during install |
| 23:58.35 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: 'man interfaces' or read the faq |
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| 23:58.41 | archpollux | RootsLINUX: install libc6-dev |
| 23:58.48 | azeem | RootsLINUX: it's -lpthread, anyway |
| 23:58.54 | RootsLINUX | thanks |
| 23:59.00 | bolete | EdLin: No doubt, but there sure isn't much "testing" left in 3.4.3. |
| 23:59.03 | xfan | is there a command like apt-get to update my kernel (i have 2.6.8 and want 2.6.11) ? |
| 23:59.19 | archpollux | xfan: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 23:59.23 | RootsLINUX | wtf, libc6-dev is installed. This stupid cmake file crap |
| 23:59.24 | ParoXsitiC | dhclient eth0 results in no DHCPOFFERS recieved , and no leases in database...it fails...where as the install is sucessful |
| 23:59.24 | benjamindees | !tell xfan about backports |
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| 23:59.56 | zenwryly | how does one set certain groups that new users are added to by default? |
| 23:59.59 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: maybe you're checking the wrong interface |
