| 00:00.10 | ParoXsitiC | i have two interfaces, eth0 and lo |
| 00:00.11 | archpollux | zenwryly: adduser.conf |
| 00:00.26 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: what kind of NIC do you have? |
| 00:00.30 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: are you running a dhcp server? |
| 00:00.35 | mhalcrow | Okay, simple question then: how do I fix up the superblock on my RAID after I moved the drives around on the IDE channels? |
| 00:00.35 | ParoXsitiC | no, a client |
| 00:00.41 | azeem | archpollux: no, but his cable modem provider |
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| 00:00.52 | valdyn | mhalcrow: that should not be needed |
| 00:00.54 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, can you paste the output of '/sbin/ifconfig eth0|grep packets' ? |
| 00:00.56 | azeem | ParoXsitiC: do you maybe have an second on-board LAN NIC? |
| 00:00.58 | ParoXsitiC | NIC D-Link DFE-530TX+ rev E1 |
| 00:01.13 | valdyn | mhalcrow: at least not with 2.6.x kernel software raids... |
| 00:01.16 | zenwryly | archpollux: thanks |
| 00:01.19 | archpollux | azeem: i was thinking maybe it succeeds because his own server is answering |
| 00:01.23 | mhalcrow | valdyn: 3 of my 5 drives are no longer being found during boot; this is w/ 2.6.15 |
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| 00:01.32 | archpollux | zenwryly: np |
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| 00:01.47 | mhalcrow | valdyn: But I can assemble and mount in Knoppix just fine |
| 00:01.55 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: if u can, try dhcping |
| 00:01.57 | xbmodder_lappy | madradrone, you there? |
| 00:02.11 | valdyn | mhalcrow: linux raid just reads each superblock and collects the drives together for the raid, there's no dependency on the interface.. |
| 00:02.29 | ParoXsitiC | benjamindess: my current eth0 is a static IP connecting to my windows machine. I have to remove the internet for this windows machine and then connect it to linux and set the linux interface from static to dhcp to do any testing |
| 00:02.40 | valdyn | mhalcrow: maybe you miss one driver for one of the controllers |
| 00:02.46 | ParoXsitiC | so it makes trial and error hard while staying on IRC |
| 00:02.56 | mhalcrow | valdyn: Maybe; I'll check that out now |
| 00:02.56 | FliesLikeALap | are repos on security.debian.org slow for anyone else? |
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| 00:03.20 | valdyn | mhalcrow: that knoppix 'works' already tells you that the superblocks have to be ok, does it not? |
| 00:03.27 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here in pleasanton, ca? |
| 00:03.38 | mhalcrow | valdyn: I manually specified the mount partitions on the mdadm command line |
| 00:03.55 | zenwryly | archpollux: that sets the main group, I use usergroups. I want secondary groups added. Any further suggestions. |
| 00:04.07 | ParoXsitiC | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.07 | ParoXsitiC | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.07 | ParoXsitiC | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.07 | ParoXsitiC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:04.07 | mhalcrow | er, RAID parititions |
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| 00:04.23 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, oh, so a static ip works? |
| 00:04.29 | Pres-Gas | valdyn, calling someone lazy because they are still learning the structure of finding these things in debian is not very nice, but thanks for the help...it was a learning experience and now know where to look |
| 00:04.30 | ParoXsitiC | no |
| 00:04.33 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, I'm not interested in windows... |
| 00:04.51 | ParoXsitiC | I understand. but if i cant use DHCP , maybe i can use linux to do a static IP |
| 00:04.52 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, so, in linux, nothing works except when installing? |
| 00:04.55 | archpollux | zenwryly: man adduser.conf |
| 00:04.57 | Pres-Gas | It was not lazyness, but a need to learn |
| 00:04.58 | ParoXsitiC | correct |
| 00:05.09 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, and you did a net install? |
| 00:05.12 | ParoXsitiC | only in installation does my modem get an activity signal and DHCP is found |
| 00:05.14 | valdyn | Pres-Gas: dont take it personal, welcome ) |
| 00:05.14 | ParoXsitiC | yeah |
| 00:05.17 | ParoXsitiC | i did a net install |
| 00:05.27 | ParoXsitiC | thr 180MB CD |
| 00:05.42 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, so, what install image did you use, and what kernel was installed? (uname -a) |
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| 00:05.58 | ParoXsitiC | Linux c-71-197-18-226 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:06.05 | ParoXsitiC | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:06.08 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: what kind of modem is that? do you not need to use ppp(oe) to connect to the net? |
| 00:06.20 | ParoXsitiC | SB31000 |
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| 00:06.50 | zenwryly | archpollux: I read it, what am I missing? |
| 00:06.52 | Pres-Gas | coo, valdyn. |
| 00:06.52 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: that number means nothing to me |
| 00:07.03 | ParoXsitiC | Surfboard 3000 cable modem |
| 00:07.26 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, did you install using linux26? |
| 00:07.48 | Adi_1 | Hi, I cannt use menuconfig because I have to use ncurese-devel |
| 00:07.53 | ParoXsitiC | I installed using debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso from the debian site... the net install...whichever that is |
| 00:07.56 | Adi_1 | what is it |
| 00:08.09 | archpollux | zenwryly: i guess you can't have both |
| 00:08.33 | archpollux | Adi_1: apt-get install ncurses-dev |
| 00:08.34 | azeem | Adi_1: install libncurses-dev |
| 00:08.55 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, I assume that defaults to 2.4, so it should be the same kernel |
| 00:08.55 | zenwryly | k |
| 00:08.56 | Adi_1 | azeen: I a not connected with linux on net |
| 00:08.56 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: can that modem be pinged? |
| 00:09.29 | azeem | Adi_1: and you have no CDs around? |
| 00:09.37 | ParoXsitiC | I am not sure how the modem can be pinged. The modem works fine in Windows XP pro, but does not want to use DHCP in linux |
| 00:09.39 | Adi_1 | just first DVD |
| 00:09.45 | Adi_1 | of sarge 3.1 |
| 00:09.50 | azeem | Adi_1: it's on that |
| 00:10.08 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: try 'ethtool eth0' or 'nettool eth0', whichever works |
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| 00:10.29 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: when u boot in linux, try resetting the modemd |
| 00:10.29 | benjamindees | ParoXsitiC, if you're moving the modem from machine to machine, you need to power cycle the modem *with the computer on* every time |
| 00:10.30 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: assuming that is what your modem is connected to.. |
| 00:10.35 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: modem |
| 00:10.36 | ParoXsitiC | I will settle for a static IP solution in linux, as long as I can use the internet through a direct connect ot the modem, right now I am using crossover cat5 to hook linux to windows, than I am using internet connection sharing to give linux internet |
| 00:11.04 | Adi_1 | azeem: What I have to use type of command to install it, a |
| 00:11.15 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: so you cant even try what we tell you right now? ugly.. |
| 00:11.15 | ParoXsitiC | I understand. I have tried power cycling multiple types and rebooting linux and the DHCP still finds no offers |
| 00:11.18 | Adi_1 | I am new on debian |
| 00:11.19 | azeem | Adi_1: apt-get install |
| 00:11.23 | archpollux | Adi_1: man apt-get |
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| 00:11.52 | Adi_1 | ok thank you |
| 00:12.03 | archpollux | there's prolly some option windows sends by default that dhclient doesn |
| 00:12.09 | archpollux | or vice-versa |
| 00:12.12 | ParoXsitiC | Which package should i use to for DHCP, pump , dhclient3, dhcpcd |
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| 00:12.33 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: dhclient3 |
| 00:12.38 | ParoXsitiC | Okay. |
| 00:12.42 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: certainly not dhcpd, i dont know about pump |
| 00:12.59 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: the command 'dhclient eth0' should do just what you want.. |
| 00:13.03 | archpollux | try to hookup the linux box and windows on the same net, run a packet sniffer and make a dhcp request from the windows box |
| 00:13.12 | archpollux | after that make one with dhclient, compare |
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| 00:13.30 | wwallace_lap | hello Guerin |
| 00:13.44 | ParoXsitiC | valdyn: ive done that multiple times but it keeps having no results, I will connect the linxu machine back up and i am going to make a list of commands to try for validation before I leave |
| 00:13.55 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: ok |
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| 00:13.59 | wwallace_lap | looks like sussudio died |
| 00:13.59 | mhalcrow | valdyn: Yeah, so I swapped out my mainboard and installed a new controller, and it turns out that the modules for the new chipsets were only built as modules, and I'm not using initrd. |
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| 00:14.06 | wwallace_lap | good iddance |
| 00:14.12 | wwallace_lap | riddance* |
| 00:14.30 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: you can see which dhclient is already running with 'ps aux | grep dhclient', you can check cabling with one of nettool or ethtool |
| 00:15.18 | ParoXsitiC | Hooked cable modem to Linux's NIC. Boot into linux. ifdown eth0. nano /etc/network/interfaces. Comment out curent static and uncomment iface inet eth0 dhcp. ifup eth0. (wait for connection). power cycle modem. dhclient3 eth0. (wait for connection) |
| 00:15.51 | mhalcrow | My $32 ECS mainboard wouldn't even initialize both controllers. Whichever one was in the 2nd PCI slot from the AGP slot would be the only one to init. |
| 00:16.10 | benjamindees | I think you should ifdown eth0 before running dhclient |
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| 00:16.31 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: you'd already have 2 dhclient running on the same interface with that command sequence, which isnt usefu |
| 00:16.34 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: definitely using the right cable - not reusing the cross-over cable? |
| 00:16.34 | valdyn | l |
| 00:16.39 | Adi_1 | azeem: Packet ncurses is not available, package has no installation candidate |
| 00:17.01 | ParoXsitiC | I am using the cable that comcast supplied to me with the cable modem, the same cable that works with Windows XP |
| 00:17.08 | ParoXsitiC | it is not crossover |
| 00:17.09 | benjamindees | Adi_1, apt-cache search libncurses |
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| 00:17.52 | Adi_1 | and then ? |
| 00:18.12 | benjamindees | Adi_1, apt-get install <one of those packages> |
| 00:18.27 | Adi_1 | there is no that pgk |
| 00:18.40 | ParoXsitiC | I am goign to attempt my purpose solution above, I will be back to report results |
| 00:19.15 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: did you try pump insread -- bizarrely I've seen it work where the other client failed.... Gemtek WAPs... |
| 00:19.19 | benjamindees | Adi_1, apt-setup |
| 00:19.27 | ParoXsitiC | I have tried pump, it also did not work |
| 00:19.38 | ParoXsitiC | when I updated the dhclient it uninstalled pump |
| 00:19.53 | ParoXsitiC | I have tried the default dhclient, pump and the new dhclient |
| 00:19.53 | archpollux | pump is old |
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| 00:20.18 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: try to hookup the linux box and windows on the same net, run a packet sniffer and make a dhcp request from the windows box, after that make one with dhclient, compare |
| 00:20.21 | ParoXsitiC | is there a way I can access a detailed log of dhclient's processes |
| 00:20.49 | archpollux | ParoXsitiC: use ethereal or tethereal (CLI) |
| 00:21.14 | ParoXsitiC | I am currently running the same internet to both linux and windows. Windows is connected to the modem, and linux is connected to windows. Then i am using Internet connection sharing to give linux access to the net |
| 00:21.45 | dr1v3r | whats the command again to clean the system of the leftover files from a package after they have been removed? or the command to delete any left over files while removing the package |
| 00:21.52 | ringo999 | hi. where and how do i actually setup my garphic card properly. i have an ati expert pro 200 (rage 128). thx |
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| 00:22.06 | ringo999 | s/garphic/graphic |
| 00:22.07 | ParoXsitiC | This is the DHCP server as reported by Windows: 68.87.77.13 ...now to access it with linux |
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| 00:22.12 | Adi_1 | now I have to install ncurses-devel |
| 00:22.21 | Adi_1 | libncurses5 is install |
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| 00:22.50 | Adi_1 | what is devel |
| 00:22.55 | ParoXsitiC | Is it possible that Comcast requires certain things to be sent (would have to edit dhclient.conf locayed in /etc/) |
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| 00:23.06 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: sure |
| 00:23.08 | archpollux | Adi_1: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 00:23.26 | archpollux | Adi_1: contains headers and static libs for DEVELopment |
| 00:23.40 | noiesmo | hey all I have just done a fresh install of debian unstable with kde but my fonts dont look so good, have tried anti-aliasing on and off any suggestions |
| 00:24.00 | Adi_1 | ok, thank you, but couldnt find pkg |
| 00:24.21 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: its possible that they demand some kind of authentication first ( technically ), i dont know comcast though.. |
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| 00:24.46 | ParoXsitiC | I called comcast and they could not tell me anything, they only support Windows and Apple |
| 00:24.48 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: dont they have linux support pages though? |
| 00:25.19 | benjamindees | noiesmo, make bitstream vera the default |
| 00:25.27 | streuner | valdyn: nah, the only page ive found is something about Linspire... |
| 00:25.34 | dr1v3r | guys once a package is removed what is the command to delete any unwanted files left over from apt-get remove? |
| 00:25.53 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: i found this |
| 00:26.17 | ParoXsitiC | A quick search on Google gives me this: http://my.brandeis.edu/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001nG |
| 00:26.22 | ParoXsitiC | I have the codes for DHCP |
| 00:26.32 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: no debian specific hint but im sure you can figure this out by reading man interfaces and/or the dhclient documentation, see http://www.astro.umd.edu/~teuben/linux/comcast.html |
| 00:26.38 | ParoXsitiC | c-71-197-18-226 is the hostname |
| 00:26.43 | astronut | valdyn: eh? |
| 00:26.44 | astronut | oh |
| 00:26.44 | ParoXsitiC | also hsd1.mi.comcast.net. |
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| 00:27.05 | ParoXsitiC | Yeah, we found the same page. |
| 00:27.06 | valdyn | astronut: hmm? |
| 00:27.19 | astronut | valdyn: 'astro' is a flagged word for me |
| 00:27.28 | Adi_1 | does anyone have libncurses5-dev ? |
| 00:27.29 | valdyn | astronut: heh, sorry |
| 00:27.32 | noiesmo | benjamindees, will try, It's mainly the k menu the fonts are rough untill i run the mouse over them then they look clean if you know what i mean its like there bolded and the mouse over sharpens them up |
| 00:27.40 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: I found some pages relating to SurfBoard, DHCP and Debian... saying known issues with some NICs cards |
| 00:27.47 | ParoXsitiC | dhcpd -h c7119718226-a eth0 |
| 00:27.51 | ParoXsitiC | does this look correct |
| 00:27.54 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: What nic? |
| 00:28.23 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: not the daemon |
| 00:28.27 | ParoXsitiC | Dlink DFE-530TX+ Rev E1 |
| 00:28.37 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: dhcpd is a dhcp SERVER, not what you want |
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| 00:29.07 | ParoXsitiC | There are also problems with the NIC as well in terms of drivers. However, ifconfig does reveal the eth0 so I don tthink its driver |
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| 00:29.55 | ParoXsitiC | Comcast gives me two things c-71-197-18-226 and hsd1.mi.comcast.net. what are they and how would I send them to comcast |
| 00:30.11 | ParoXsitiC | Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : hsd1.mi.comcast.net. |
| 00:30.17 | ParoXsitiC | and i Believe the c- is the hostname |
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| 00:30.28 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: hmm, i might be wrong as that guy on that page tells to use dhcpd, doesnt make sense to me yet though |
| 00:30.32 | keherman | is there any online site streaming/multicasting the Super Bowl? |
| 00:30.51 | ringo999 | how do i mount an iso image under debian? |
| 00:31.21 | gnufan | ringo999: depended where it is -- in the filesystem with the loop device |
| 00:31.21 | keherman | ringo999, mount -t iso9660 -o loop |
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| 00:31.53 | ParoXsitiC | I am going to try powercycling my modem sonme more and using dhclient. I have to powercycle my modem during the installion of debian for it to also detect it |
| 00:32.04 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: see man interfaces, hostname <hostname> in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:32.09 | ParoXsitiC | okay |
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| 00:33.14 | wils0n | I setup a new prompt in bash (with color escape codes), but now my commands wrap around far too soon. anybody know how to fix this? |
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| 00:33.55 | ParoXsitiC | Its possible during the installation i enabled PPP, would that effect DHCP. I have no idea what PPP is |
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| 00:34.10 | wils0n | ParoXsitiC: probably not. |
| 00:34.16 | wils0n | PPP is peer to peer protocol |
| 00:34.23 | wils0n | err point to point |
| 00:34.43 | deadcat | wils0n: make sure you end your \[ with \] |
| 00:34.45 | ParoXsitiC | Okay. I am going to try out all the above suggestions and tinker with interfaces, ill report back in a few |
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| 00:34.47 | valdyn | ParoXsitiC: i doubt that modem talks pppoe |
| 00:34.55 | wils0n | deadcat: ahh hah |
| 00:35.01 | wils0n | so thats what thats for? |
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| 00:35.48 | mhalcrow | I should be watching the Superbowl. But instead I'm rebuilding my kernel. :-( |
| 00:35.55 | xiaogil | what's the difference between debian and freebsd ? |
| 00:36.13 | pureone | alot |
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| 00:36.37 | xiaogil | also, is debian/hurd the future of debian ? |
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| 00:36.53 | deadcat | no |
| 00:36.55 | mhalcrow | xiaogil: No. |
| 00:36.58 | abrocadabro | I installed cpanel with apt-get how do I start it? localhost:2082 won't display anything |
| 00:37.15 | deadcat | xiaogil: nobody use that crap |
| 00:37.22 | xiaogil | so, why the debian/hurd project ? |
| 00:37.28 | mhalcrow | xiaogil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd |
| 00:37.42 | deadcat | xiaogil: because someone's working on it |
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| 00:37.55 | bpuzon | hello |
| 00:38.09 | bpuzon | is anybody from Germany here? |
| 00:38.15 | kingsley | s/seen/recently seen/ |
| 00:38.35 | xiaogil | I also heard about a freeBSD/debian, what's that ? |
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| 00:38.50 | deadcat | xiaogil: freebsd/debian |
| 00:39.03 | mhalcrow | xiaogil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 00:39.12 | Kluster_v2 | bpuzon, they might be in #debian-de |
| 00:39.25 | bpuzon | Kluster_v2 danke |
| 00:39.29 | bpuzon | Kluster_v2 thanx |
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| 00:41.03 | charwood | I'm trying to install gimpshop on Kubuntu Dapper using dpkg -i. It apparently depends on libtiff3g, but i have libtiff4 installed. Can I override the .deb to try anyway? |
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| 00:41.44 | xiaogil | is freebsd/debian considered as a future for debian ? |
| 00:42.20 | charwood | The man page has a lot of command line options but without much info on each. |
| 00:42.50 | orlon_ | any kernel config gurus about? i'm trying to patch the new linux kernel build with LIDS. |
| 00:42.53 | lakcaj | this is a debian channel, not a kubuntu channel, try #kubuntu |
| 00:43.11 | charwood | lakcaj: Are you guys not on friendly terms? |
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| 00:43.42 | lakcaj | it's not that, it's just that #debian being flooded with (k)ubuntu questions isn't really desired |
| 00:43.52 | deadcat | xiaogil: could you drop all this debian future shit? |
| 00:43.55 | charwood | I suppose. Mine is more of a dpkg question though. |
| 00:44.18 | charwood | lakcaj: Nevertheless, I have done as you asked. Thanks. |
| 00:44.55 | ma3x | hi |
| 00:44.58 | ma3x | I can't understand this |
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| 00:45.14 | ma3x | I have ethernet modem, and both cables (crossover and patch) work with it |
| 00:45.17 | deadcat | ma3x: sunday. what do you expect |
| 00:45.18 | ma3x | how is that possible? |
| 00:45.29 | ma3x | yeah it's a stupid day |
| 00:45.42 | ma3x | and a lot of bullshit happened |
| 00:45.47 | orlon_ | ma3x: the cable modem has MDI/MDI-X detection |
| 00:45.55 | deadcat | ma3x: new nic cards are smart enough to use both types of cables |
| 00:45.55 | ma3x | orlon_, what's that? |
| 00:46.11 | xiaogil | deadcat: i'm wondering about next generation OSs, I can't find any good comparison between freebsd and linux on the web |
| 00:46.13 | orlon_ | ma3x: let's the device work out the cable pinouts and adjust |
| 00:46.23 | deadcat | xiaogil: theres none. |
| 00:46.31 | ma3x | deadcat, ok and which one is for computer2computer, and which one is for switch2computer? |
| 00:46.32 | orlon_ | ma3x: makes stuff more 'user friendly' |
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| 00:47.04 | orlon_ | ma3x: crossover is for computer2computer |
| 00:47.12 | deadcat | ma3x: pc to pc is crossover |
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| 00:48.16 | beginer | how i can install a webcam and record .avi ? any idea? |
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| 00:49.33 | beginer | anybody know an online tutorial how to install a webcam in command line mode? |
| 00:49.34 | orlon_ | beginer: most webcams under linux use video4linux. so you need something that'll support that as a recording source |
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| 00:50.00 | dominicano | hello |
| 00:50.20 | Lord_Athur | what's the command to see the space of the disk partitions? |
| 00:50.24 | Lord_Athur | hi dominicano |
| 00:50.27 | orlon_ | Lord_Athur: df -h |
| 00:50.32 | Lord_Athur | thanks |
| 00:50.39 | dominicano | Lord_Athur, hi |
| 00:50.39 | orlon_ | Lord_Athur: that'll show mounted partitions |
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| 00:51.32 | beginer | orlon_: i found an aplication named "webcam" i install but: v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device |
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| 00:52.12 | orlon_ | beginer: have you got the drivers for the webcam loaded? |
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| 00:53.21 | beginer | i install spca5xx |
| 00:53.48 | beginer | my webcam is suported... (Benq DC 1500) |
| 00:54.13 | orlon_ | beginer: if you run 'dmesg | tail' do you see the webcam driver load message? |
| 00:55.00 | orlon_ | beginer: if the drive is loading properly it's probably a device node creation issue. what kernel version are you running? |
| 00:55.36 | beginer | just a second |
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| 00:56.48 | beginer | dmesg | tail |
| 00:56.58 | beginer | usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 2 |
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| 00:57.06 | deadcat | test |
| 00:57.07 | beginer | usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using address 3 |
| 00:57.16 | dr1v3r | guys whats the full mysql package called? |
| 00:57.21 | beginer | Linux video capture interface: v1.00 |
| 00:57.27 | archpollux | dr1v3r: apt-cache search mysql |
| 00:57.38 | dr1v3r | it brings up loads |
| 00:57.44 | beginer | uname -a : Linux auto 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:57.58 | dr1v3r | i need one that will install the full nessesary files |
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| 00:58.50 | orlon_ | beginer: ok, you're running 2.6 are you using devfsd or udev? |
| 00:59.20 | beginer | how can i find out? |
| 00:59.31 | orlon_ | dr1v3r: full files for what? compiling apps, running a server or connecting to an existing server? |
| 00:59.48 | orlon_ | beginer: dpkg -s devfsd or dpkg -s udev |
| 01:00.27 | beginer | Package `devfsd' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 01:00.29 | beginer | Package `udev' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 01:00.41 | dr1v3r | the nessesary files for mysql databases |
| 01:00.42 | orlon_ | beginer: ok, so that means you're using a static /dev |
| 01:00.54 | orlon_ | dr1v3r: so you want to run a server? |
| 01:01.01 | dr1v3r | yea sorry |
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| 01:01.16 | dr1v3r | mysql-server-4.1 be ok? |
| 01:01.19 | orlon_ | beginer: ls -l /dev/video0 |
| 01:01.23 | orlon_ | dr1v3r: yup |
| 01:01.25 | dr1v3r | will that be all i need? |
| 01:01.36 | beginer | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2005-02-26 08:43 /dev/video0 |
| 01:01.45 | orlon_ | dr1v3r: that pkg should drag in all the libs you need |
| 01:01.57 | dr1v3r | thanks :D |
| 01:01.59 | orlon_ | beginer: ok, so the device node is there |
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| 01:04.04 | beginer | and... how make webcam aplication (or another command line application like streamer) to work with it? |
| 01:05.05 | orlon_ | beginer: what does this show 'lsmod | grep spca5xx' |
| 01:05.29 | beginer | nothing |
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| 01:05.50 | Cyorxamp | I need to place a command just before it turns the swap on - I was told it was in rc.sysinit - but I dunna have one! any ideas? |
| 01:06.07 | orlon_ | beginer: doesn't look like the driver has loaded |
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| 01:06.41 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: debian doesn't use rc.sysinit |
| 01:06.47 | beginer | i install spca5xx... how can i load the driver? |
| 01:06.58 | orlon_ | beginer: modprobe spca5xx |
| 01:07.02 | Cyorxamp | orchid_, ah! then whats the equivalent? |
| 01:07.23 | beginer | FATAL: Module spca5xx not found. |
| 01:07.32 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: you want to add a script in /etc/init.d (copy skeleton) then use update-rc.d to enable it being run |
| 01:07.43 | orlon_ | beginer: then you don't have the driver available |
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| 01:08.47 | Cyorxamp | orlon_, hmm that doesn't sound good |
| 01:08.57 | Cyorxamp | somewhere I am guessing it says 'swapon' yes? |
| 01:09.10 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: just had a look, swapon gets run twice |
| 01:09.11 | beginer | my webcam is listed in spca5xx (http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html) |
| 01:09.16 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: what're you trying to do? |
| 01:09.30 | orlon_ | beginer: yup, but you need the driver |
| 01:09.39 | Cyorxamp | orlon_, It's a long story... I just know I need to put my command before it runs 'swapon' |
| 01:09.49 | Cyorxamp | do you know the locations that you just found? |
| 01:10.51 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: checkroot.sh and mountall.sh but ideally you shouldn't edit those |
| 01:11.04 | Cyorxamp | you know which is ran first? |
| 01:11.19 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: do you understand how startup scripts work? |
| 01:11.37 | Cyorxamp | nope not really |
| 01:11.49 | orlon_ | beginer: have you installed the spca5xx-modules-2.6-686 package? |
| 01:12.06 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: there's a chapter in the Debian manual on it. really worth reading |
| 01:12.14 | beginer | 486 |
| 01:12.37 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: the scripts in /etc/init.d are symlinked to the rc?.d directories |
| 01:12.54 | Cyorxamp | :S |
| 01:12.55 | orlon_ | beginer: you running unstable? |
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| 01:13.10 | Cyorxamp | I just need to know what 'thing' runs 'swapon' first! |
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| 01:13.22 | ParoXsitiC | Ello |
| 01:13.22 | Cyorxamp | and I'll whack my line in ther |
| 01:13.31 | beginer | spca5xx is only on unstable |
| 01:13.43 | ParoXsitiC | Anyone who was following my previous problem: I changed NIC's and it worked |
| 01:14.02 | ParoXsitiC | I am not sure why that NIC was not supported or whatever the problem, but its working now |
| 01:14.03 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: create a file in /etc/init.d/cyorxamps-secret-command.sh and put your command in there |
| 01:14.18 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: chmod +x /etc/init.d/cyorxamps-secret-command.sh |
| 01:14.26 | Cyorxamp | can I be assured that it will be ran before 'swapon' tho? |
| 01:14.50 | EdLin | Cyorxamp: why do you need it to run before swapon? |
| 01:15.12 | Cyorxamp | i'll tell you if I succeed :P |
| 01:15.21 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: update-rc.d cyorxamps-secret-command start 9 |
| 01:15.27 | orlon_ | oops |
| 01:15.36 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: update-rc.d cyorxamps-secret-command start 9 S |
| 01:15.36 | Cyorxamp | I think i'll edit /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 01:15.43 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: no |
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| 01:15.46 | ParoXsitiC | I have a question with networking now, How can I add eth1 to interfaces and have it pick up my windows machine (i want windows to share linux's internet) |
| 01:15.47 | Cyorxamp | why not! |
| 01:16.07 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: cos that file belongs to a package and it'll get overwritten on an upgrade |
| 01:16.31 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: if you create your own file and then use update-rc.d it'll be left alone |
| 01:16.34 | Cyorxamp | grrrr. but If I make one in init.d - can I be assured it will be ran b4 swapon !!? |
| 01:16.37 | DirkGently | checkroot runs before mountall anyway |
| 01:16.48 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: that's what the update-rc.d command is for |
| 01:17.00 | Cyorxamp | how does that help? |
| 01:17.03 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: checkroot runs in rcS.d at 10, i gave you a command to run yours at 9 |
| 01:17.21 | ParoXsitiC | I set the windows connect to use IP 192.168.0.1 and its netmask to 255.255.255.0 , how do I have linux pick it up? somethign like iface inet eth1 static address 192.168.0.40 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:17.39 | Cyorxamp | orlon_, can I just put my one line in as a script? |
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| 01:18.30 | orlon_ | Cyorxamp: the first line should be '#!/bin/sh' then put your command on the next line |
| 01:18.50 | Cyorxamp | ok |
| 01:19.14 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: you don't need a gateway on the second interface.... |
| 01:19.19 | DirkGently | anyone else have a problem with testing netinst not starting dhclient on first boot (and so not being able to find apt sources)? |
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| 01:19.48 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: the windows box will want to know that the IP of the Linux card is its gateway |
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| 01:20.50 | Cyorxamp | hey orchid_ - is it 9S or 9 ? |
| 01:21.11 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: 9 S |
| 01:21.24 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: as for how to get through the Linux box - depends if you want it to provide some security... or just to allow everything out. If everything out look up NAT, it is pretty straight forward. |
| 01:21.38 | Cyorxamp | So just to clarify - will this script get called AFTER it's mounted the fstab but BEFORE it turns the swap on ?! |
| 01:21.43 | ParoXsitiC | yeah everything all out |
| 01:21.48 | ParoXsitiC | okay |
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| 01:22.40 | Cyorxamp | Is that right orlon_ / DirkGently ? |
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| 01:24.03 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: mountall runs after checkroot |
| 01:24.25 | Cyorxamp | is that a yes or a no? |
| 01:24.26 | DirkGently | so swap is turned on before the filesystems are mounted |
| 01:24.51 | Cyorxamp | hmm... that makes no sense - doesnt the fstab mount the swap partition after all? |
| 01:24.54 | Qeju | hello |
| 01:25.35 | Qeju | cd debian-update-3.1r1-i386-1.iso --> update from 3.1r0a to 3.1r1 ?? |
| 01:26.00 | ParoXsitiC | gnufan: when you mean IP of linux card, can you explain that |
| 01:26.05 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: this is where I begin to speculate :¬) |
| 01:26.18 | Cyorxamp | oh I like your smiley :¬) |
| 01:26.22 | ParoXsitiC | gnufan: to my understanding your saying that the windows connection need's linux's internal IP as its gateway |
| 01:26.50 | Cyorxamp | Ñ„ |
| 01:27.03 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: yeap.. if the Linux is going to front end it... well done for solving the DHCP thing... nasty problem that -- probably well rid of that card. |
| 01:27.30 | Cyorxamp | grrr |
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| 01:27.55 | Cyorxamp | If anyone has any ideas? I need to place a command somewhere where it is ran AFTER things in fstab have been mounted and BEFORE the swap is turned on? |
| 01:28.05 | Cyorxamp | Does ANYone! Have any ideaS? |
| 01:28.33 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: read the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 01:28.38 | beered | Anybody knows if terminal dictionary exists? I would like to lookup words from the open term. |
| 01:28.41 | DirkGently | swapon is run the second time in case you are using a swap file on a mounted fs |
| 01:28.50 | Cyorxamp | ah ha! |
| 01:28.55 | Cyorxamp | so 9 S should work? |
| 01:28.55 | deadcat | beered: dict |
| 01:29.11 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: you can but try it |
| 01:29.17 | Cyorxamp | :P |
| 01:29.23 | amphi | beered: dict, and perhaps a local dictd |
| 01:29.25 | Cyorxamp | I have been having good luck today :P |
| 01:29.47 | beered | deadcat: LOL! That's too easy! Thanks! |
| 01:29.57 | deadcat | ya |
| 01:29.57 | beered | amphi: dict seems to work just fine. |
| 01:29.59 | bendee | Cyorxamp: I thought Swap Got initiated before other drives are... |
| 01:30.14 | Cyorxamp | umm the command doesnt work... |
| 01:30.29 | Cyorxamp | update-rc.d secret.sh start 9 S |
| 01:30.35 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: full path |
| 01:30.36 | beered | weeeelll... I have a newbie question. I've recompiled the kernel. Everything is fine and working but for some reason when I append vga=791 to grub I still get 800x600. I'm not sure whats up with that. |
| 01:31.05 | beered | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.07 | deadcat | beered: maybe you shouldnt mess with the kernel |
| 01:31.14 | Cyorxamp | now it says file does not exist - when it damn well dos! |
| 01:31.34 | Cyorxamp | nah I think the path was correct |
| 01:31.42 | Cyorxamp | ' update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 01:31.42 | Cyorxamp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.09 | DirkGently | that's better |
| 01:32.14 | Cyorxamp | is it '9S' not '9 S' ? |
| 01:32.30 | beered | deadcat: I heard that before. |
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| 01:32.52 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: S9 or 9S? |
| 01:33.19 | Phated | Ah-hah, the troll begins! |
| 01:33.28 | Cyorxamp | I quote- "orlon_ Cyorxamp: update-rc.d cyorxamps-secret-command start 9 S " |
| 01:33.30 | Cyorxamp | is that right? |
| 01:33.32 | topaz | What? |
| 01:33.34 | deadcat | topaz: that came from no where.. |
| 01:33.44 | topaz | deadcat: not nowhere, if you're in -ot |
| 01:33.55 | deadcat | o |
| 01:34.04 | Phated | deadcat: Oh no, he's just annoyed that he's been banned from #ubuntu, #ubunt-offtopic, and now #debian-offtopic. |
| 01:34.31 | topaz | I could reconnect with a new nick, but I won't |
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| 01:34.38 | topaz | Annoyed? No, not really k |
| 01:34.43 | Phated | Yeah, really, not hard to ban again. |
| 01:35.02 | beginer | i found my webcam name (Benq DC 1500) in spca5xx list... in enough to install spca5xx and i have the driver? |
| 01:35.07 | topaz | Yeah, you'll be able to tell it's me through a transparent proxy |
| 01:35.09 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, is " update-rc.d script start 9 S " correct!? |
| 01:35.17 | deadcat | Phated: thats one lose (= |
| 01:35.18 | Witigonen | Hey all. I'm getting input/output errors on my server for, well, almost every command. I think the hard drive might be mounted ro. Is there a way to remotely reboot the computer without using the 'shutdown' command (as that returns an input/output error)? |
| 01:35.24 | deadcat | looser |
| 01:35.27 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 01:35.43 | Phated | topaz: Go right ahead, please do. It will be an amusing diversion. |
| 01:35.49 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: try it with -n (not really) to check the syntax |
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| 01:36.03 | topaz | What is it with Asians and trying to act superior? |
| 01:36.05 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, whatcha mean? not really? |
| 01:36.09 | deadcat | Phated: so hes basically following you and talk trash? (= |
| 01:36.12 | topaz | No need to condescend to me, the conversation's still civil |
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| 01:36.25 | Phated | deadcat: I dunno. He seems to be, really. |
| 01:36.33 | DirkGently | update-rc.d -n script start 9S |
| 01:36.37 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, it just tells me,.... " update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 01:36.37 | Cyorxamp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:36.41 | gnufan | Witigonen: you can remount it rw |
| 01:36.42 | topaz | I've been in here a while, not exactly following |
| 01:36.44 | Phated | deadcat: I think he -was- in #debian a while ago, but hey, if even #ubuntu doesn't want him... |
| 01:36.52 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:37.00 | deadcat | time for him to go to #linux |
| 01:37.09 | topaz | Nah |
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| 01:37.25 | benDOTc | Both Firefox and Mozilla Navigator are segfaulting on my system fairly regularly. I've tried reinstalling, but to no use. Does anyone have any tips on repairing whatever is causing this problem? |
| 01:37.34 | Witigonen | gnufan: I've forgotten the syntax for that and man isn't working. Is there an easier way than umount and then mount? |
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| 01:38.06 | gnufan | Witigonen: yes - do I remember the syntax... wait a sec |
| 01:38.10 | Coweater | benDOTc: got any extensions, and have you tried moving your ~/.mozilla out of the way? |
| 01:38.19 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, it just tells me,.... " update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ) " |
| 01:38.35 | topaz | benDOTc: rm -r f / |
| 01:38.42 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: wouldnt it be easier just use the freakin ln -s command? |
| 01:38.42 | topaz | blah |
| 01:38.44 | benDOTc | topaz: Thanks a lot. |
| 01:39.02 | Cyorxamp | deadcat, you have no idea what the hell I am doing |
| 01:39.08 | deadcat | nop |
| 01:39.12 | topaz | rm -r f /bin/laden works too |
| 01:39.12 | Cyorxamp | then be quiet |
| 01:39.12 | deadcat | and i dont want to know either |
| 01:39.22 | benDOTc | Coweater: Well, i removed the .mozilla/firefox directory. Since all my extensions are installed locally, that should've removed 'em. I'll try moving the entire thing. |
| 01:39.25 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: make me |
| 01:39.47 | deadcat | topaz: very creative |
| 01:40.19 | gnufan | Witigonen: mount -o remount,rw <mountpoint> |
| 01:40.38 | gnufan | Witigonen: at a guess ;) |
| 01:40.46 | Witigonen | gnufan: thank you so much. |
| 01:40.56 | Witigonen | Have a good day. |
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| 01:41.23 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: you could use ln -s |
| 01:41.26 | SperMite | how do i make it so root and user can share privlage on a folder |
| 01:41.28 | benDOTc | Coweater: Well, i've loaded up three pages without a segfault, so i'm doing better. Should've thought of that myself. Thanks. |
| 01:41.30 | gnufan | Hehe you'd think I'd remember that one, as it is essential for changing other peoples root password with physical access ;) |
| 01:41.44 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, what do you means? |
| 01:41.57 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, Have you even looked at what I put? |
| 01:41.59 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: your script is in /etc/init.d yes? called? |
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| 01:42.04 | Cyorxamp | yeah |
| 01:42.14 | Cyorxamp | called script.sh |
| 01:42.42 | Cyorxamp | I just run - update-rc.d script.sh start 9 S |
| 01:43.02 | Cyorxamp | and I get back ---- update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] did you forget the "." |
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| 01:44.44 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: try update-rc.d script.sh start 09 S |
| 01:44.53 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: like i said. if you want start at 9, just use ln. but you dont want to listen thats fine. and i know whats the problem with that... NN not N |
| 01:45.03 | deadcat | DirkGently: hes too lazy to read the fucking manual |
| 01:45.05 | gnufan | Cyorxamp: you did miss the "." - try man update-rc.d |
| 01:45.05 | Cyorxamp | I just get same thing DirkGently |
| 01:45.17 | Cyorxamp | gnufan, no thats what I put |
| 01:45.46 | Cyorxamp | 09 instead of 9 gives the same error |
| 01:45.48 | gnufan | Cyorxamp: there is no "." ;) |
| 01:45.56 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: you could just do ln -s /etc/init.d/script.sh /etc/rcS.d/S09script.sh |
| 01:46.04 | SperMite | how do i make it so root and user can share privlage on a folder |
| 01:46.30 | deadcat | SperMite: set the "folder" to be owned by that user, its dir, not folder |
| 01:46.36 | Cyorxamp | DirkGently, does that do the same thing? |
| 01:46.54 | creft | what command runs the setup again? |
| 01:46.57 | DirkGently | Cyorxamp: yes |
| 01:47.12 | deadcat | creft: setup for what? |
| 01:47.19 | Cyorxamp | ok... will be back shortly |
| 01:47.22 | creft | the general debian setup |
| 01:47.28 | Cyorxamp | if this works I think I may have just done the impossible |
| 01:47.32 | deadcat | Cyorxamp: didnt i tell you to use ln -s earlier? and you told me to shut up? |
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| 01:47.50 | Cyorxamp | deadcat, shut the hell up - you gave an eronious answer to a beginner |
| 01:47.57 | ParoXsitiC | Okay i am havig some major trouble trying to setup NAT with linux |
| 01:47.59 | gnufan | man pages has "." all over the place, they aren't punctuation update-rc.d foobar start 45 S . start 31 0 6 . |
| 01:48.05 | deadcat | cyzie: i told you to use ln -s you stupid shit |
| 01:48.09 | creft | deadcat: just the general debian setup for installation |
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| 01:48.22 | deadcat | what a moron that dude. |
| 01:48.26 | ParoXsitiC | I just want windows to connect to linux and use its internet, how can i do this easily (security isnt important) |
| 01:48.27 | DirkGently | creft: I looked that up earlier when I was doing it.. let me see now |
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| 01:49.09 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: try guarddog -- more than you need but a nice gui... |
| 01:49.12 | Azar | ParoXsitiC: I do not think you need that , install Firefox in Windows and go |
| 01:49.25 | Guerin | gnufan: they're not accidental, if that's what you're thinking |
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| 01:49.52 | gnufan | Guerin: Don't tell me I can read the manual ;) |
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| 01:50.02 | jmg | heh |
| 01:50.19 | ParoXsitiC | gnufan: I dont have KDE or anything, infact I only want to use command line, im only using linux as a server to host something. I want it on 24/7. |
| 01:50.25 | gnufan | Guerin: Although I seem to remember having to read it a few times for update-rc.d after the switch from Redhat |
| 01:50.29 | ParoXsitiC | Azar: i dont have a router. I am using crossover cat5 to connect the two |
| 01:50.46 | Azar | ParoXsitiC: you can install and use links then |
| 01:50.54 | Guerin | gnufan: look into using rcconf, sysvconfig or sysv-rc-conf if you need something curses-tastic |
| 01:50.57 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: Okay not guarddog then... pity if you ever want a GUI firewall I kind of like it, even though the rules are a tad complex |
| 01:50.59 | DirkGently | creft: I think it might be /usr/sbin/install-menu new |
| 01:51.17 | Azar | gnufan: did he asked for a firewall? |
| 01:51.38 | DirkGently | creft: nope |
| 01:51.42 | creft | dirkgently: do you think? that doesn't look familiar |
| 01:51.45 | Azar | ParoXsitiC: you asked for a firewall or just access to http ? |
| 01:51.50 | ParoXsitiC | Azar: links? links of what |
| 01:51.53 | creft | ok |
| 01:52.00 | Azar | ParoXsitiC: apt-get install links |
| 01:52.03 | gnufan | Azar: no he just wants NAT -- guarddog would have set that up as well -- tell him the commad |
| 01:52.05 | ParoXsitiC | hah i see |
| 01:52.13 | Azar | ParoXsitiC: then type links and enter the url you want |
| 01:52.30 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: Links is a browser.... |
| 01:52.54 | DirkGently | creft: man base-config |
| 01:53.03 | tonyb2006 | i just installed an amd64 base system |
| 01:53.13 | tonyb2006 | and when i try and install the apps |
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| 01:53.26 | tonyb2006 | it gets alot of dependences around gnome-core |
| 01:53.31 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ |
| 01:53.36 | ParoXsitiC | okay |
| 01:53.39 | ParoXsitiC | Thanks |
| 01:54.04 | creft | dirkgently: thanks :) |
| 01:54.16 | _allan | Does anyone know when etch will become stable, sid testing, and so on? |
| 01:54.16 | Azar | tonyb2006: there is a #debian64 channel I think .. not sure if that is the exact name |
| 01:54.17 | DirkGently | np :¬) |
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| 01:54.38 | tonyb2006 | k |
| 01:54.40 | DirkGently | wish I'd tried it the first time I installed debian |
| 01:54.41 | tonyb2006 | #debian64 |
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| 01:54.56 | ParoXsitiC | I think first I need to know how to get windows and Linux to know about eachother before I install a nat. How do I create a connection in linux that connects to windows (assuming window's will use 192.168.0.1) |
| 01:55.21 | Azar | ParoXsitiC: two different boxes? |
| 01:55.24 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: it doesn't mention iptables-save and iptables-restore, and you probably only need one of the first sets of 3 lines |
| 01:55.27 | _allan | DirkGently: was the "np" meant for my question? It seemed like it, but I'm not sure |
| 01:55.32 | EdLin | _allan: sid will never become testing, a new testing name will be created when etch becomes stable |
| 01:55.39 | DirkGently | _allan: I believe sid will always be unstable |
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| 01:56.09 | ryan42 | hi |
| 01:56.13 | _allan | EdLin, DirkGently: Ok, fine. What I meant was when will etch be stable? |
| 01:56.15 | gnufan | ParoXsitiC: just use "ping", ping 192.168.0.1 from Linux... if it works IP networking is working... anything else is an application level problem... hoping Windows firewall allows ping |
| 01:56.16 | ryan42 | anyone care to help me network my debian box? |
| 01:56.20 | creft | I'm trying to autodetect my graphics card... |
| 01:56.28 | ryan42 | i have eth0 up... it knows its address is 192.168.1.201 |
| 01:56.29 | DirkGently | _allan: no.. that was for creft's thankyou |
| 01:56.36 | creft | I guess I skipped it in the installation |
| 01:56.39 | ryan42 | i need to define DNS |
| 01:56.40 | ParoXsitiC | Azure: Yes I have a windows machine (1NIC) and a linux machine (2NICs). Linux is connected to the modem and uses DHCP, the 2nd NIC of linux is connected to windows. Now I need to have them know about eachother. After that I want windows to 'use' the linux's internet |
| 01:56.50 | gnufan | _allan: isn't that in the topic -- when it is ready. |
| 01:56.56 | creft | is there a better way to do that? |
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| 01:57.37 | Bogaurd | Does anyone know why I would get this error when trying to apt-get install lame lame-devel: 'Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package.'? |
| 01:57.53 | _allan | gnufan: I don't care whether it's far or near, but I'm wondering how close and about how much time that means. |
| 01:58.01 | gnufan | ryan42: define in what way - set nameservers? |
| 01:58.03 | ryan42 | yes |
| 01:58.05 | ryan42 | exactly |
| 01:58.07 | EdLin | !tell Bogaurd about marillat |
| 01:58.14 | gnufan | _allan: December plus or minus when it is ready ;) |
| 01:58.20 | ryan42 | very temporarially |
| 01:58.21 | _allan | k |
| 01:58.25 | tonyb2006 | bleh, i dont use gnome, ill manually install anything i need as i need it |
| 01:58.25 | ParoXsitiC | !tell paroxsitic about NAT |
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| 01:58.27 | _allan | thx gnufan |
| 01:58.30 | ft | _allan: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 01:58.31 | creft | I guess I missed autodetecting my graphics card when I setup my system, how can I go back and set it up? |
| 01:58.32 | gnufan | ryan42: vi /etc/resolv.conf -- has a manual page |
| 01:58.34 | aaronlin | is the wav file format patented like mp3? |
| 01:58.37 | ryan42 | i just need to upload my kernel to some place so I can download it and put it on my MacOS volume so I can actually boot my real kernel |
| 01:58.50 | ryan42 | heh |
| 01:58.54 | ryan42 | those have the right nameservers in them |
| 01:59.04 | ryan42 | i can ping 192.168.1.1 (router) but not google.com |
| 01:59.21 | EdLin | aaronlin: which one? |
| 01:59.29 | gnufan | ryan42: do you have a default route (netstat -r) |
| 01:59.48 | aaronlin | EdLin: there are multiple types of wavs? I am not familiar. How would I check what type of encoding it uses? |
| 01:59.52 | Bogaurd | thanks EdLin =] |
| 01:59.57 | EdLin | aaronlin: if you're looking for unencumbered mp3-like compression ogg vorbis is the way to go. |
| 02:00.04 | ryan42 | yeah |
| 02:00.10 | EdLin | Bogaurd: yw |
| 02:00.12 | ryan42 | err |
| 02:00.17 | DirkGently | !tell DirkGently about marillat |
| 02:00.18 | ryan42 | no i actually don't believe so |
| 02:00.27 | EdLin | aaronlin: I have no idea. |
| 02:00.29 | ryan42 | and I almost remember how to add a route |
| 02:00.38 | gnufan | ryan42: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:00.41 | ryan42 | thanks |
| 02:00.58 | gnufan | ryan42: from memory mind... usual caveats apply |
| 02:00.59 | ryan42 | that did the trick |
| 02:01.04 | ryan42 | ok |
| 02:01.14 | ryan42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.20 | tonyb2006 | bleh, need fglrx |
| 02:01.37 | gnufan | ryan42: kind of depends what the far end is expecting to accept stuff as... |
| 02:01.54 | ryan42 | well |
| 02:02.01 | ryan42 | my situation is that this is a PPC mac |
| 02:02.08 | ryan42 | in order to boot up i had to use the minimum 2.4 kernel |
| 02:02.19 | aaronlin | EdLin: are you familiar with k3b? |
| 02:02.24 | ryan42 | I need to copy my 2.6 kernel to a place so I can download it in the Mac OS world so that the Linux bootloader can use it |
| 02:02.35 | gnufan | ryan42: if you have a Yahoo account they give you 30MB of filespace.... |
| 02:02.45 | ryan42 | that may work |
| 02:02.58 | ryan42 | i dont' suppose there's a quick n simple way to mount a NFS or samba? |
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| 02:03.14 | gnufan | ryan42: mount for mounting nfs |
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| 02:04.11 | ryan42 | cool |
| 02:04.15 | ryan42 | reading a documentation right now about it |
| 02:04.49 | gnufan | ryan42: I think you can "showmount -e remotehost ; mount remotehost:export /mymountpoint" |
| 02:05.58 | ryan42 | i get unknown filesystem tyhpe smbfs when I do mount //192.... /mnt/discovery |
| 02:06.11 | ryan42 | i'm guessing there's a module to be downloaded |
| 02:06.33 | gnufan | ryan42: are PPC installed still that painful? Urm yes use NFS rather than samba if you have the choice |
| 02:06.34 | ryan42 | oh hell |
| 02:06.37 | ryan42 | derrr. SCP |
| 02:06.46 | ryan42 | well |
| 02:06.47 | DirkGently | ryan42: smbmount? |
| 02:06.49 | ryan42 | on Old World macs |
| 02:06.55 | ryan42 | DirkGently: not there |
| 02:07.05 | ryan42 | this is a base system |
| 02:07.08 | ryan42 | i haven't even done a proper apt yet |
| 02:07.09 | DirkGently | you won't have mount -t smbfs then |
| 02:07.20 | ryan42 | and thus.... |
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| 02:07.21 | gnufan | ryan42: yes a module for smb...either smbfs package or smbclient will do... |
| 02:07.22 | ryan42 | scp isn't even there |
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| 02:07.45 | ryan42 | nor is ssh there |
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| 02:09.09 | DirkGently | ryan42: can't you email it? |
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| 02:09.22 | ryan42 | i could |
| 02:09.29 | ryan42 | no |
| 02:09.32 | ryan42 | i don't have pine yet |
| 02:09.44 | ryan42 | i need to slow down and let aptitude configure |
| 02:09.54 | ryan42 | i just haven't felt like doing it because i'm not on the proper kernel even |
| 02:10.15 | gnufan | ryan42: why so desparate to update the kernel? |
| 02:10.21 | ryan42 | i'm in 2.4 |
| 02:10.24 | ryan42 | and I feel so behidn |
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| 02:12.11 | oldfart | any idea when openssh will get into debian testing? or even unstable? |
| 02:12.23 | oldfart | the 4.3 recent release i mean |
| 02:13.39 | aaronlin | where can I go to look up patent issues on audio file formats like mp3, wav, etc. |
| 02:13.55 | Guerin | oldfart: stable: sometime late this year or early next |
| 02:14.01 | Guerin | oldfart: testing: somtime before then |
| 02:14.13 | Guerin | oldfart: give or take six months |
| 02:14.31 | Guerin | aaronlin: eff.org might have a rundown. |
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| 02:15.28 | Guerin | aaronlin: basically all common audio formats except PCM wave audio and ogg/flac are explicitly patented |
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| 02:15.31 | ryan42 | i saw eff's booth at Macworld |
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| 02:15.45 | beered | where was that option in kernel that enables/disables |
| 02:15.50 | beered | splash screen |
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| 02:16.01 | Guerin | beered: if you can't find it, you don't need it. |
| 02:16.08 | aaronlin | Guerin: I see. Is the PCM Wave audio the .wav file format? |
| 02:16.19 | ryan42 | alrghty |
| 02:16.25 | Guerin | aaronlin: yeah. I might be wrong about that, actually. |
| 02:16.25 | ryan42 | 28 minutes for this packages install |
| 02:16.26 | beered | Guerin: wow. thats deep. |
| 02:16.28 | ryan42 | be back in a bit |
| 02:16.37 | beered | Guerin: let me write that down. LOL |
| 02:16.56 | Guerin | beered: not as deep as "I need worthless chrome, but am too stupid to figure out how to get it myself, plz hlp kthx" |
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| 02:17.48 | beered | Guerin: I don't need it. I want to disable it. Its enabled now, and I need to disable it. |
| 02:18.00 | beered | Guerin: if you cared to ask I would have explained it to you the first time |
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| 02:19.01 | Guerin | beered: use a debian kernel. |
| 02:19.21 | beginer | i install spca5xx-modules-2.6-486... "modprobe spca5xx" return "FATAL: Module spca5xx not found." |
| 02:19.25 | ArchAngel | why is everything on my desktop in gnome all pixellated and very low-resolution? it's on 640x480 with a very low dpi and i can't change it. |
| 02:19.44 | _allan | this is probably trivial, but I don't know... where do I get the etch amd64 distro |
| 02:19.46 | ArchAngel | i should say, i can't figure out how to change it. |
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| 02:19.54 | Guerin | !drxx ArchAngel |
| 02:19.55 | dpkg | ArchAngel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 02:20.07 | Guerin | _allan: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 02:20.25 | ArchAngel | ah, thanks. |
| 02:20.41 | Guerin | _allan: but chances are you don't need it unless you've got a shitload of ram, or are doing heavy mutimedia or server-type work |
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| 02:20.50 | _allan | Guerin: I hope to be very computer literate, but I don't understand that. where do I type it in? |
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| 02:20.57 | cheal | beginer: which kernel do you run? |
| 02:21.01 | _allan | command line? |
| 02:21.09 | Azar | _allan : here |
| 02:21.15 | beginer | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:21.29 | aaronlin | Guerin: I am trying to burn a wav file into an audio CD for personal use. Is there any violation of patents there? |
| 02:21.35 | cheal | beginer: which release do you run? |
| 02:21.39 | DirkGently | shitload == 4GB |
| 02:21.42 | aaronlin | these laws seem so tangled, that I can't do anything on my computer |
| 02:21.58 | DirkGently | s/==/>=/ |
| 02:21.58 | beginer | cheal: how can i find out? |
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| 02:22.12 | Guerin | aaronlin: do't believe your personal use of something can infringe a patent. |
| 02:22.16 | diana | aaronlin: If you use mp3 yes. |
| 02:22.21 | Guerin | bah, read "I don't" |
| 02:22.35 | Guerin | diana: hello, he said 'AUDIO CD' |
| 02:22.45 | Guerin | since when was an audio cd an mp3? |
| 02:23.09 | aaronlin | thanks. |
| 02:23.17 | Guerin | aaronlin: the main issue is whether you have copyright to the work. |
| 02:23.18 | _allan | Guerin: About the not needing it: My computer is amd64, I'm not trying to run amd64 on i386. Why wouldn't I need it? |
| 02:23.33 | cheal | !tell beginer about debian version |
| 02:23.37 | aaronlin | the work itself can be freely distributed; only the format might be an issue |
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| 02:24.14 | DirkGently | _allan: a 64-bit OS won't give you any benefit unless you have 4GB RAM or more |
| 02:24.15 | Guerin | _allan: see above. If you don't fit those critria, you're unlikely to gain much from running amd64, and it's a lot more work for everyday desktop stuff. |
| 02:24.19 | beginer | cat /etc/debian_version: 3.1 |
| 02:24.37 | beginer | cheal: that? |
| 02:24.46 | aaronlin | what about mp3 playback? |
| 02:24.49 | cheal | beginer: yes. could I see your sources.list ? |
| 02:24.49 | Guerin | well, it's not quite that it won't give ANY benefit, but the benefit will be outweighed by the hassle of having to run a 32-bit chroot for openoffice and so on. |
| 02:25.13 | beginer | yes... tell me how... |
| 02:25.16 | _allan | Guerin, DirkGently: I'm not getting a new computer. I probably just don't understand you, but is that what you're suggesting? |
| 02:25.31 | Guerin | aaronlin: as a consumer, you can use mp3 playback software without infringing patents. If you distribute or write an en/decoder without a patent license, you may be in breach. |
| 02:25.55 | Guerin | _allan: no, not at all. Just run i386 on it |
| 02:25.59 | cheal | beginer: make /etc/apt/sources.list or a copy of it accessible from the web, or paste its content in a paster |
| 02:26.19 | _allan | Guerin: Cool. I didn't know that would work. Thx, bye. |
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| 02:26.32 | aaronlin | ah. That is interesting. |
| 02:26.51 | aaronlin | I know that in America, the patent laws are stricter |
| 02:27.05 | Guerin | aaronlin: basically, if you want to not run afoul of patent issues, use ogg vorbis and/or flac |
| 02:27.07 | beginer | "make /etc/apt/sources.list" return "make: Nothing to be done for `/etc/apt/sources.list'." |
| 02:27.17 | Guerin | beginer: ... |
| 02:27.23 | aaronlin | Guerin: The problem is that eveyrbody uses mp3s! |
| 02:27.25 | aaronlin | I cannot get around it. |
| 02:27.32 | Guerin | aaronlin: yes. |
| 02:27.48 | DirkGently | Guerin: incidentally, when I installed SuSE on a 3.0 HT P4 it warned me that I was installing a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit PC |
| 02:27.57 | Guerin | aaronlin: again: as a consumer you're not in violation of patent for using someone else's en/decoder. |
| 02:28.00 | beginer | Guerin: ?! |
| 02:28.10 | Guerin | beginer: read what he said again. |
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| 02:28.33 | aaronlin | Does the debian package system include software that may violate patents in say the US? |
| 02:28.38 | aaronlin | or does it stray clear from it to avoid legal issues |
| 02:28.43 | cheal | beginer: that wasn't a command. try making a copy of it and making it accessible from the web. |
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| 02:29.02 | cheal | aaronlin: quite possibly. |
| 02:29.26 | Guerin | aaronlin: since any non-trivial piece of software contains code which is a) patentable and b) possibly already patented, it's extremely likely |
| 02:29.30 | beginer | ok |
| 02:29.34 | cheal | aaronlin: "stray clear" from that would involved not distributing any code |
| 02:29.46 | Guerin | aaronlin: in fact, since debian includes several mp3 decoders, it's definitely the case. |
| 02:30.06 | aaronlin | I see. Has Thompson-Fraunhaufer ever sued them? |
| 02:30.12 | aaronlin | that is, the makers of the decoders, not Debian |
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| 02:30.24 | aaronlin | since they are mainly non-profit software |
| 02:30.27 | Guerin | aaronlin: debian's policy on patents, in a nutshell, is that they're only a problem if they're being actively enforced. |
| 02:31.19 | Guerin | aaronlin: no, and as regards the above statement, debian distributes mp3 decoders because previously, fraunhofer claimed to be only concerned about mp3 ENcoders, and said it wouldn't sue for mp3 decoders. |
| 02:31.31 | Guerin | which is the short of why there are no mp3 encoders in debian |
| 02:31.50 | aaronlin | ah. Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 02:31.56 | beginer | cheal: http://86.34.214.193/sources.htm |
| 02:32.03 | Guerin | sorry, by "only a problem" I mean "only a problem to the debian project's distribution" |
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| 02:32.17 | Guerin | not to say that they're not Bad and Wrong |
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| 02:32.44 | SimonRaven | nah, just of it ;) |
| 02:32.51 | aaronlin | I see |
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| 02:34.29 | cheal | beginer: what does $ apt-cache policy spca5xx-modules-2.6-486; output? |
| 02:34.48 | SimonRaven | tansi Guerin, cheal |
| 02:35.47 | beginer | cheal: reload http://86.34.214.193/sources.htm |
| 02:36.06 | Guerin | !tansi |
| 02:36.20 | Guerin | SimonRaven: are you speakin injun or sumfin? |
| 02:36.29 | Guerin | SimonRaven: sorry: r u |
| 02:36.51 | SimonRaven | *sigh*, yes. means hi, hello |
| 02:36.55 | cheal | SimonRaven: what? |
| 02:37.09 | Guerin | SimonRaven: heh. G'day. |
| 02:37.16 | Guerin | SimonRaven: which language? |
| 02:37.24 | SimonRaven | cree |
| 02:37.52 | cheal | beginer: ok, you have unstable sources. you'll have to compile a spca5xx module for your kernel |
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| 02:38.14 | beginer | so... can u help me to make that? |
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| 02:38.25 | Guerin | i know a guy who can say "two beers please" in 23 languages |
| 02:38.34 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 02:38.45 | SimonRaven | can he order food too? ;) |
| 02:38.50 | Guerin | yeh, that's way more useful than me |
| 02:38.56 | Guerin | SimonRaven: beer is food! |
| 02:39.16 | cheal | beginer: spca5xx is in Etch+ and you use Sarge, so there's no guarantee that it will work. but if you're lucky, # module-assistant auto-install spca5xx |
| 02:39.39 | SimonRaven | to some people maybe ;) |
| 02:39.43 | MrNaz | so i'm setting up software raid on my box at the moment... |
| 02:39.46 | cheal | tansi SimonRaven |
| 02:39.52 | SimonRaven | have fun |
| 02:39.59 | SimonRaven | cheal: thanks |
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| 02:40.22 | gnufan | Guerin: ah but do you know any bar men who understand 23 languages? |
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| 02:40.28 | cheal | SimonRaven: why do you feel like writing Cree today? |
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| 02:40.31 | SimonRaven | Guerin: starting your trip eh? or soon? |
| 02:40.37 | Guerin | gnufan: no, but I know 23 who do, between them. |
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| 02:40.48 | SimonRaven | cheal: you said it, i felt like it :) |
| 02:40.54 | Guerin | SimonRaven: 18 days. Tick tock tick tock. |
| 02:41.02 | SimonRaven | ooh, ok |
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| 02:41.21 | beginer | cheal: spca5xx is in Etch+... what that means? i need to install another version of debian? |
| 02:41.46 | cheal | SimonRaven: heh. and how do you know that word? |
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| 02:42.24 | SperMite | someone check out my desk-top recording http://69.172.40.18:187/ |
| 02:42.50 | cheal | beginer: if it really doesn't work and you want it to work, it should work if you use another "version", yes. etch is the testing "branch" of Debian, so not yet a proper version |
| 02:42.52 | EdLin | beginer: there's a sarge net-installer with a 2.6.14 kernel that contains the latest drivers. Maybe someone knows the factoid |
| 02:42.55 | SimonRaven | from my friends, and also slowly self-teaching it to myself, and listening in on convos. i should go up and see if i can get some lessons from mcgill (they teach it there) |
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| 02:43.03 | EdLin | !2.6.14 sarge |
| 02:43.15 | SimonRaven | backports.org |
| 02:43.17 | cheal | EdLin: I doubt he would need an installer |
| 02:43.17 | EdLin | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 02:43.17 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.14 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 02:43.34 | EdLin | cheal: well, he doesn't if its in backports |
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| 02:43.59 | cheal | SimonRaven: do you live at a place with a Cree population? |
| 02:44.15 | SimonRaven | yeh, montreal ;) |
| 02:44.43 | SimonRaven | s/s// |
| 02:44.48 | cheal | SimonRaven: wow, Montreal seems so different from Quebec |
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| 02:45.31 | SimonRaven | cheal: i'm sure if you dropped by the native friendship centre there you'd meet some (also some innu, inuit, etc.) |
| 02:45.44 | beginer | someone read my nick? :) please tell me what i must to do... |
| 02:46.02 | kspath | rtfm? |
| 02:46.03 | cheal | SimonRaven: hum, yeah, but that's a bit far. they are mostly Hurons I think |
| 02:46.06 | amphi | beginer: huh? |
| 02:46.25 | cheal | beginer: what did you try yet? |
| 02:46.27 | beginer | how i install sarge 2.6.14 |
| 02:46.34 | SimonRaven | beginer: yes it does. etch is testing. FYI, your nick is 'beginer'. i think you meant message |
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| 02:47.25 | cheal | beginer: don't try that yet. first try building a spca5xx module for your kernel |
| 02:47.43 | SimonRaven | cheal: yeh, no doubt. down here at the nfcm there's a lot of inuit and cree from up north for doctor, school, etc. |
| 02:47.45 | beginer | i don't know how |
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| 02:48.11 | SimonRaven | beginer: newbiedoc.sf.net/ ; says how |
| 02:48.18 | cheal | beginer: try # module-assistant auto-install spca5xx |
| 02:48.30 | SimonRaven | yeh try that first |
| 02:48.36 | beginer | bash: module-assistant: command not found |
| 02:48.43 | SimonRaven | !installit |
| 02:48.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 02:48.45 | DirkGently | I'm off to bed... |
| 02:48.49 | cheal | beginer: try # apt-get install module-assistant;module-assistant auto-install spca5xx |
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| 02:49.45 | cheal | SimonRaven: what's nfcm? |
| 02:50.00 | SimonRaven | native friendship centre of montreal |
| 02:50.20 | EdLin | what's a native friendship centre? |
| 02:50.32 | Azar | native canadians |
| 02:50.35 | SimonRaven | www.nfcm.org ;) |
| 02:50.40 | Azar | like native americans |
| 02:50.53 | Humanoid | I don't understand the phrase: "2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1" from the dpkg bot. |
| 02:51.20 | SimonRaven | Humanoid: means see that 'apt 0.6.43.1' factoid |
| 02:51.53 | Azar | I wish I could be a native esperanto |
| 02:52.06 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 02:52.10 | beginer | module-assistant, error message: Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 02:52.16 | Azar | n/m I was just missing a glass of wine |
| 02:52.48 | cheal | SimonRaven: so you leave near that place? |
| 02:53.04 | SimonRaven | yeh, 'bout 15 min bike ride |
| 02:53.04 | kspath | live |
| 02:53.16 | SimonRaven | yeh, 'live' |
| 02:53.27 | Humanoid | SimonRaven: Where do I read that factoid? |
| 02:53.38 | SimonRaven | from dpkg |
| 02:53.44 | kspath | live life leave exit I know it is not easy. I have seen and heard native speakers make the same mistake. |
| 02:53.49 | SimonRaven | /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 02:53.57 | cheal | beginer: is kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 installed? |
| 02:54.06 | cheal | SimonRaven: oops, thanks |
| 02:54.12 | SimonRaven | np |
| 02:55.22 | beginer | apt-cache policy kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386: Installed: 2.6.8-16sarge1 |
| 02:55.41 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 02:56.01 | cheal | kspath: I know, it seems my brain tends to pick homophones when I write English quickly |
| 02:56.03 | beginer | module-assistant prepare |
| 02:56.05 | beginer | now work |
| 02:56.13 | beginer | wait |
| 02:56.23 | Humanoid | SimonRaven: I just tried "/msg dpkg apt 0.6.43.1" and I get no response. |
| 02:56.39 | beginer | Setting up spca5xx-modules-2.6.8-2-386 (20060101-1+2.6.8-16sarge1) ... |
| 02:56.41 | beginer | next? |
| 02:56.51 | cheal | Humanoid: I think SimonRaven misunderstood your question |
| 02:57.00 | lunitik | !apt 0.6.43.1 |
| 02:57.01 | cheal | beginer: try the modprobe now |
| 02:57.16 | Humanoid | !apt 0.6.43.1 |
| 02:57.18 | lunitik | !botslap |
| 02:57.18 | dpkg | :( |
| 02:57.30 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 02:57.41 | kspath | cheal: It happens to me when speaking at it is my first and only language. |
| 02:58.09 | cheal | Humanoid: the bot usually starts his answer with a random prefix. in that case you can substitute "2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1..." by "the content of the 2006 key factoid is: apt 0.6.43.1..." |
| 02:58.18 | SimonRaven | !2006 key |
| 02:58.18 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:58.25 | kspath | cheal: even worse it is starting to happen with other things also not just homophones and homonyms.... |
| 02:58.27 | SimonRaven | oh, nm |
| 02:58.28 | cheal | Humanoid: unless the bot really just siad that... |
| 02:59.01 | beginer | i think is load... can i check? |
| 02:59.11 | cheal | beginer: $ lsmod |
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| 02:59.27 | Humanoid | Oh, I understand it now. 0.6.43.1 refers to the version of the "apt" package. |
| 02:59.37 | cheal | kspath: we should agree with Azar... let's an IAL without homophones! |
| 02:59.44 | jager | for desktop use, is testing recommended? |
| 02:59.51 | cheal | (at least Ido has a very limited number of homophones) |
| 02:59.52 | kspath | cheal: I have even been known to start speaking about a same concept using other words without even noticing. |
| 02:59.54 | jager | haven't used debian in years, i want to come back to the fold |
| 02:59.59 | lunitik | jager: it'd be fine... yes... |
| 03:00.01 | cheal | s/let's an/let's use an |
| 03:00.16 | mfrisch | you have are permission |
| 03:00.22 | jager | is stable a better idea? i vaguely remember stable having pretty old software in it |
| 03:00.23 | lunitik | jager: for personal use, sid would even be ok... stable is better for a server, although its not that much out of date right now... |
| 03:00.28 | kspath | cheal: homophones and homonyms are things I dislike VERY much too to two tu ... |
| 03:00.32 | cheal | Humanoid: yes |
| 03:01.01 | jager | is sid reasonably stable? |
| 03:01.04 | lunitik | jager: testing gets security updates etc though... and sid breaks rather frequently, so if you're not familier with dpkg and friends, you may want to avoid it... |
| 03:01.11 | cheal | jager: no. |
| 03:01.14 | jager | how are the apt repos, in constant flux? |
| 03:01.24 | cheal | jager: stable is currently relatively new, so choose between stable and testing |
| 03:01.25 | Azar | you have to feel the language in order to master it |
| 03:01.32 | kspath | sid ties explosives to toys and sets them off... What do you think?!?! |
| 03:01.33 | cheal | !tell jager about releases |
| 03:01.46 | lunitik | jager: sid is mostly things that are stable upstream... but its the first place to dump things... |
| 03:01.48 | jager | thanks cheal |
| 03:01.48 | beardy | jager: No. As long as you run stable on servers, you can run whatever you want on other machines, but beware of what can happen. |
| 03:01.50 | Azar | that's why is so hard for me to learn C, I can't feel it |
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| 03:01.54 | beginer | cheal: http://86.34.214.193/lsmod.txt |
| 03:02.07 | lunitik | jager: usually its not bad on i386 though, due to that being the primary platform for most things... |
| 03:02.24 | gravity | C books are light |
| 03:02.28 | gravity | So probably not |
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| 03:02.31 | cheal | lunitik: all releases get security updates.. |
| 03:02.44 | Tenkawa | Anyone got experience building a debian image for compact flash booting? |
| 03:02.48 | Azar | :) kspath, I have books and started studying but I can't grasp the intimate communication with the system |
| 03:02.50 | cheal | beginer: so, it's working, right? |
| 03:03.08 | lunitik | cheal: sid doesn't get them explicitly... just if they happen to be part of the package... |
| 03:03.16 | mfrisch | intimate? |
| 03:03.22 | kspath | Oxford English Dictionary in case anyone was wondering what OED was. |
| 03:03.32 | jager | getting the testing torent now |
| 03:03.34 | jager | thanks for the advice |
| 03:03.45 | Azar | yes intimate, I need to write with high feelings so the machine can respond in kind |
| 03:03.55 | kspath | um |
| 03:04.19 | kspath | Azar: Are you sure there is enough oxygen in that room? |
| 03:04.23 | mfrisch | Azar: maybe that has been my problem all these years?!? |
| 03:04.46 | beginer | i don't know... what do u think? i want to record an .avi with my webcam... i will try tu use "webcam" or "streamer"... advice? |
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| 03:04.55 | cheal | lunitik: I never used any non-i386 Debian, but I doubt the difference between sid i386 and sid for other arches is much different from other releases |
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| 03:05.21 | kspath | Azar: I do generally understand the feeling of a language but practice of it tends to get ride of the odd feelings about it. Unless you still covet other languages you prefer. |
| 03:05.25 | cheal | lunitik: that makes no difference for users |
| 03:05.27 | lunitik | cheal: it is... greatly so... especially arches that aren't supported upstream, for obvious reasons... |
| 03:05.27 | Azar | kspath: I am serious, for example the moment I get to understand a type of communication and the system responds as expected I get high feelings, I am happy... etc etc... feelings |
| 03:05.38 | kspath | -ride +rid |
| 03:06.00 | cheal | !tell beginer about u |
| 03:06.01 | kspath | Azar: That would usually translate as comfort. |
| 03:06.13 | Azar | after I learn C I want to become a proofreader of code, I love fixing broken things |
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| 03:06.19 | cheal | beginer: I have no idea about that, but your installation of spca5xx looks successful |
| 03:06.57 | beginer | ok... thanks... you ;) |
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| 03:07.39 | cheal | beginer: :) |
| 03:07.42 | kspath | Azar: Maybe just read a lot of code and play with it. Immersion is a very good way to go with any language. Computer or spoken... |
| 03:08.36 | Azar | given the fact that some write with their feet, no thanks Id rather learn how it has to be done, then spank the footers |
| 03:08.37 | kspath | omg, my ability to communicate is weakening further. I must retire. Night all. |
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| 03:08.47 | Azar | night kspath |
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| 03:09.07 | kspath | Emersion or Immersion geez |
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| 03:10.01 | RetroJ | fixing C code is a noble aspiration.... but um.... C is horrid.... good luck :) |
| 03:10.15 | Azar | C is respectable |
| 03:10.54 | Azar | VBasic is horrid |
| 03:10.54 | wils0n | C is not horrid! try programming an OS in .NET Or one of those other.. "languages" |
| 03:10.56 | RetroJ | C is entrenched |
| 03:11.10 | mfrisch | visual basic sucks |
| 03:11.12 | RetroJ | yeah, VB is worse |
| 03:11.19 | oldfart | C is in Windows. |
| 03:11.23 | gravity | wtf |
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| 03:11.56 | Azar | the most respectable 2 languages: Perl and C .... all the rest are just gadgets |
| 03:12.16 | kspath | python is decent as is ruby in some ways |
| 03:12.18 | RetroJ | I rate Lisp as the best |
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| 03:12.26 | Azar | well Assembly too, it comes first |
| 03:12.33 | gravity | Bad language war. Bad. Stop bad language war. Stop. Bad. |
| 03:12.41 | kspath | hehehe |
| 03:12.41 | wils0n | Lisp?!?!?! ( (I) hate (parenthesis)) |
| 03:12.42 | EleckttrusS | ruby is very good! |
| 03:12.53 | RetroJ | hehe, /me shuts up |
| 03:12.56 | Azar | ewww ruby, a bad copy of perl |
| 03:12.56 | mfrisch | erlang? |
| 03:13.13 | kspath | POE |
| 03:13.15 | EleckttrusS | Azar, no is not bad copy is evolution! |
| 03:13.28 | gravity | Azar: Obviously spoken by someone with negligible experience with both |
| 03:13.39 | kspath | copy infers respect |
| 03:13.47 | Azar | compare Chaupin with Madonna hah |
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| 03:14.13 | EleckttrusS | Ruby is the evolution for sinple language! |
| 03:14.18 | cheal | gravity: hehe, did you get that from debian-devel? |
| 03:14.24 | gravity | cheal: Good eye :-) |
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| 03:14.26 | gravity | liw++ |
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| 03:14.46 | cheal | gravity: :) |
| 03:15.01 | kspath | good luck |
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| 03:15.10 | gravity | cheal: Lars Wirzenius, who's worth looking up anyway |
| 03:15.25 | Red_Cloud | Need help communicating with my scanner. Scanner is Umax Astra 1200S. It is supported by Sane-umax backend. I have installed XSane. The location of my SCSI is /dev/sg0 The location of the sane configuration file is /etc/sane.d/umax.conf What edit do I make to the config file to tell xsane where my scanner is located? |
| 03:15.36 | gravity | He's done a lot of great stuff with Debian, and he's got personal touch with greatness too |
| 03:15.46 | cheal | gravity: yeah, now that you say it, I think it was from him |
| 03:15.50 | gravity | It was |
| 03:15.59 | gravity | I complimented him on it :-) |
| 03:16.22 | RetroJ | ruby is attractive. I haven't used it yet. it's no lisp, but i could see how it would be handy for some tasks |
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| 03:16.47 | gravity | RetroJ: It has some very lispy features, which might appeal to you if you're in to that |
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| 03:17.57 | Humanoid | I've upgraded to apt version 0.6.43.2 but I'm still getting an error due to some public key not being available. |
| 03:18.12 | RetroJ | gravity: I have been using python lately for a lot of little scripting projects. ruby is attractive to me because it seems to have the flexibility of python, but not some of python's pointless limitations |
| 03:18.13 | cheal | Humanoid: consider pasting the error |
| 03:18.31 | Humanoid | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
| 03:18.36 | phemur | I am experiencing sound problems in certain cases. Notably, when trying to play videos from google video, and music from radioblogclub.com. Sound works normally for most other apps: mp3 players, most other video formats, etc, but whenever I try to play certain things in my browser, the sound is really high pitched and choppy, like the chipmunks singing through a box fan |
| 03:18.50 | gravity | RetroJ: Yeah, it appeals to a lot of people because of that, myself included. |
| 03:19.00 | cheal | gravity: is it a coincidence that this message came in a thread about script languages? |
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| 03:19.09 | gravity | cheal: Not at all :-) |
| 03:19.10 | Humanoid | A second line says: ": You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" but apt-get update is exactly what is giving me that error. |
| 03:19.17 | RetroJ | gravity: I also read that ruby has an excellent library for parsing s-expressions, which I don't think python has |
| 03:19.23 | cheal | gravity: ok. I just realized that :) |
| 03:19.42 | dn4 | Does anyone know why the stock market is falling? |
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| 03:19.53 | gravity | RetroJ: I don't know much about that I'm afraid. I never got the hang of lisp myself. |
| 03:19.59 | dondelelcaro | dn4: it's sunday. The US market is closed. |
| 03:20.06 | phemur | Humanoid: I'm new here, but I think you need to type /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 03:20.11 | dn4 | dondelelcaro, I mean liek this past week, everything dropped |
| 03:20.17 | cheal | Humanoid: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 03:20.24 | RetroJ | gravity, k. I'll definitly try ruby next time I have a project that it seems right for |
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| 03:20.30 | ryan42 | eh |
| 03:20.34 | ryan42 | what's the command for reruning init? |
| 03:20.37 | Humanoid | phemur: I did that, and it said that version 0.6.43.1 includes the key, but I have 0.6.43.2 installed now. |
| 03:20.49 | Humanoid | cheal: I have to install that package? |
| 03:20.58 | cheal | Humanoid: I think |
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| 03:21.26 | sifi-xz | does FreeBSD has more advantages then OpenBSD? |
| 03:21.30 | sifi-xz | sorry, wrong chan |
| 03:21.37 | phemur | any ideas on my sound issues? I know it's strange, but it's really annoying |
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| 03:21.43 | ryan42 | sifi-xz: i like FreeBSD |
| 03:21.45 | ryan42 | but I haven't tried openbsd |
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| 03:21.47 | Humanoid | cheal: Okay, I installed it, and it works now. Thanks! |
| 03:21.57 | sifi-xz | ryan42, do you know what the main diffs are? |
| 03:22.04 | ryan42 | nope |
| 03:22.08 | ryan42 | i love FreeBSD ports though |
| 03:22.23 | treyh0 | openbsd is cool if you like forced and frequent releases every 6 months |
| 03:22.38 | sifi-xz | ryan42, I love freedom (^_^) |
| 03:23.07 | wendell_iii | Hey can anyone here read/write in Farsi? |
| 03:24.01 | grass-root | each OS has it's own reason to live. |
| 03:24.59 | Humanoid | wendell_iii: I can! |
| 03:25.03 | Azar | whatever Farsi is, another computer language? |
| 03:25.17 | phemur | Farsi = Persian, I think |
| 03:25.21 | wendell_iii | Yes it is |
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| 03:25.23 | wendell_iii | Persian :) |
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| 03:32.40 | phemur | as much as I'm loving linux so far, I have to admit that this sound thing is getting me a little frustrated |
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| 03:33.10 | Azar | phemur: it is, there are several tasks to be done |
| 03:33.54 | RetroJ | phemur, what sound card? |
| 03:34.12 | phemur | RetroJ: using my mobo's on-board sound |
| 03:34.12 | EleckttrusS | i need used my palm in debian.... but this no found |
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| 03:34.55 | RetroJ | phemur, ah. I need to research that sort of thing too, but I have an ISA sound card. ancient hardware :) |
| 03:35.05 | Azar | phemur type lspci and see what say at Media line |
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| 03:35.53 | phemur | Azar: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 03:35.56 | Azar | phemur: Multimedia audio controller |
| 03:36.18 | Azar | phemur: do you have a 2.6 kernel ? or 2.4 ? |
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| 03:37.17 | phemur | Azar: the latest version of debian stable. how can I check, exactly? |
| 03:37.41 | ft | phemur: uname -srm |
| 03:38.03 | EdLin | phemur: the stable installer can install either 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 03:38.15 | phemur | 2.4, it looks like (Linux 2.4.27-2-386 i686) |
| 03:38.37 | Azar | phemur: type uname -a |
| 03:38.57 | phemur | Azar: Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Nov 30 21:38:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:39.35 | starfishy | phemur: what does dmesg say about audio? |
| 03:39.36 | Azar | phemur: it would be nice if you first upgrade your kernel before anything else |
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| 03:39.48 | starfishy | do a |
| 03:39.48 | starfishy | dmesg | less |
| 03:39.52 | Azar | phemur: what cpu ? |
| 03:39.56 | Azar | amd? intel? |
| 03:40.05 | phemur | Azar: intel |
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| 03:40.19 | Azar | phemur: intel Pentium II, III ? |
| 03:41.03 | phemur | Azar: P4 |
| 03:41.21 | EdLin | phemur: then get the 686 kernel |
| 03:41.35 | starfishy | and search for ALSA |
| 03:41.36 | starfishy | yeah, 2.6 kernel has a lot of improvements driver wise |
| 03:42.14 | Azar | phemur: type apt-cache search kernel-image you will see a list, look for a 2.6.8 kernel for your P4 cpu would wbe like kernel-image2.6.8-2-(your cputype here) |
| 03:42.32 | wendell_iii | Humanoid: You speak and write? How well? :) |
| 03:42.34 | phemur | Azar: ok. then just apt-get install it? |
| 03:42.35 | Azar | phemur: when you find it type it here so I see you picked the right one |
| 03:42.46 | phemur | Azar: ok ;) |
| 03:42.53 | Azar | phemur: yes but lets see if you do ok with picking |
| 03:43.16 | Azar | phemur: and for kernel you use aptitude install, better than apt-get |
| 03:43.51 | Dewi | I lost power the other day, and my system's clock seemed to change to 1982 |
| 03:43.58 | Dewi | anyone ever heard of anything like that? |
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| 03:44.15 | phemur | Azar: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.? |
| 03:44.21 | Dewi | at first I thought maybe NTP had gone totally insane |
| 03:44.22 | zinx | Dewi: old system |
| 03:44.25 | EdLin | Dewi: battery problem |
| 03:44.27 | Dewi | zinx: not really |
| 03:44.29 | zinx | Dewi: your BIOS battery is dead |
| 03:44.35 | Dewi | if my BIOS battery is dead |
| 03:44.43 | zinx | Dewi: most newer systems default to the year they were made |
| 03:44.43 | Dewi | wouldnit it be 1981 or 1974 or some other time? |
| 03:44.53 | Dewi | 1982-02-03 seems a very odd place to reset to |
| 03:45.02 | Dewi | zinx: this is like a year old :P |
| 03:45.04 | phemur | Azar: though, I do have a 64 bit chip, so would it be this one? kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T systems |
| 03:45.05 | zinx | maybe it's a special date to the manufacturers? |
| 03:45.08 | mfrisch | Its not 1982!! |
| 03:45.21 | Dewi | zinx: hehe. maybe. |
| 03:45.27 | zinx | Dewi: it may have a bios battery voltage monitor on it... *maybe* |
| 03:45.44 | Dewi | well, there's one way to find out |
| 03:45.48 | Dewi | unplug the machine again |
| 03:45.49 | Dewi | I guess |
| 03:45.50 | Dewi | :P |
| 03:45.52 | zinx | in any case |
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| 03:46.11 | zinx | the BIOS resets it to a specific date when it resets the memory due to loss of battery-backup |
| 03:46.20 | creft | how do I set up a printer? |
| 03:46.21 | zinx | usually not 0 |
| 03:47.18 | ryan- | can anyone recommend a good msn messenger client for console? |
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| 03:47.49 | Azar | phemur: hmmm |
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| 03:48.07 | Azar | I am not familiar with intel but if you do NOT run a 64bit, stay away from it |
| 03:48.24 | Azar | hold on, phemur let me look myself |
| 03:48.28 | phemur | Azar: ok, so, probably teh first one? |
| 03:48.30 | phemur | Azar: ok |
| 03:48.48 | phemur | Azar: here is the exact cpu I'm using: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116198 |
| 03:49.38 | Azar | phemur: why not a 686? that is listed for PII/PII/P4 |
| 03:49.52 | Azar | phemur: how new is your box? |
| 03:50.09 | dvs | phemur: 64bit isn't officially supported by Debian yet |
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| 03:50.53 | phemur | Azar: why not a 686 what? I'm confused. the machine is about a month old |
| 03:51.07 | dvs | phemur: 686 is your best bet |
| 03:51.41 | phemur | I'm pretty sure that when I did the original install, I was advised to use the 686 kernel, as I wouldn't notice much of a performance increase if I used the 64-bit kernel, and might have problems besides |
| 03:52.13 | Azar | hmm phemur is this a NEW box? |
| 03:52.27 | Azar | .. I mean a true 64bit? |
| 03:52.41 | dvs | phemur: If the CPU has hyperthreading, you might try 686-smp |
| 03:52.46 | phemur | Azar: I must confess that I do not know the difference |
| 03:53.10 | phemur | dvs: there is hyperthreading, supposedly |
| 03:53.14 | Azar | well it seems that you miraculously managed to install Debian on it.. |
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| 03:53.33 | Azar | but I have no idea how will behave to a kernel upgrade |
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| 03:53.45 | phemur | Azar: why is it so miraculous? |
| 03:53.56 | Azar | you should KNOW if you run with 32bit or 64bit |
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| 03:54.06 | Azar | can you call your newegg and ask? |
| 03:54.11 | befazz | hi all |
| 03:54.35 | phemur | Azar: I'm not sure what I should ask them... why would the processor say that it's 64 bit, if it's 32 bit? |
| 03:54.45 | Azar | I do not dare to tell you to go for a 64bit kernel, personally never had the need for it so I do not know how it goes |
| 03:55.27 | phemur | Azar: well, I'm using the 686 kernel now and it's working fine, so can we try upgrading to the 2.6 version of that? |
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| 03:55.30 | Azar | phemur: I got my box in November from Tigerjet, and is a 64bit-ABLE, but I run it at 32bit for debian sake |
| 03:55.43 | starfishy | is there a SIS 64 bit chipset? |
| 03:55.43 | befazz | problem i ve got.. cannot execute linuxrc file , present on boot loader (init=/linuxrc), but unable to execute it, and begin default configuration |
| 03:55.47 | sean_micken | hey does the freetype included in debian use the bytecode interpreter? |
| 03:55.48 | starfishy | as far as i know there isnt |
| 03:55.58 | mfrisch | I run amd-64 debian and its a dream |
| 03:56.00 | starfishy | so it wouldnt be a 64 bit cpu |
| 03:56.20 | befazz | someone know why ? |
| 03:56.26 | starfishy | i ran 64 bit debian for a while but got tired of messing around with OpenOffice and some other apps |
| 03:56.26 | Azar | ok phemur: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:56.29 | ivanfrey | phemur: a 32 bit kernel will run on a 64 bit processor, but a 64 bit kernel won't run on a 32 bit kernel. |
| 03:56.55 | starfishy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.57 | befazz | yes |
| 03:56.58 | mfrisch | starfishy: yeah there are "issues" but... |
| 03:57.05 | phemur | Azar: I've never updated the kernel before, should I cross myself or something before I do this? |
| 03:57.09 | starfishy | i bet /linuxrc doesnt exist on your FS |
| 03:57.11 | ivanfrey | phemur: sorry, s/kernel./processor./ |
| 03:57.22 | starfishy | and even if it did, linuxrc should not be an executable |
| 03:57.31 | Azar | phemur: this is an easy precompiled kernel upgrade it should go easy |
| 03:57.34 | befazz | can execute /bin/bash , but the file is present /linuxrc |
| 03:57.36 | befazz | chmod 755 |
| 03:57.41 | phemur | Azar: ok, away I go |
| 03:57.59 | befazz | can execute init bash but dont execute linuxrc |
| 03:58.51 | ivanfrey | phemur: to check what kind of processor "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 03:59.09 | befazz | chmod +x linuxrc none, chmod 755 linuxrc none.. |
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| 03:59.51 | phemur | Azar: ok, done. do I need to restart or anything? |
| 04:00.04 | Azar | phemur are you using grub or lilo? |
| 04:00.19 | phemur | Azar: you're talking about boot loaders? |
| 04:00.23 | Azar | .. the bootloader you know.. |
| 04:00.25 | Azar | yes |
| 04:00.27 | phemur | Azar: grub |
| 04:00.33 | starfishy | befazz: why would you want to execute a file that is not an executable? |
| 04:00.35 | Azar | ok then it should be fine |
| 04:00.37 | Azar | reboot |
| 04:00.47 | phemur | Azar: ok. brb |
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| 04:00.50 | starfishy | just setting the execute flag doesnt make a file an executable |
| 04:00.50 | dvs | mabye |
| 04:00.55 | befazz | ok |
| 04:01.10 | befazz | starfishy, : linuxrc is not an executable |
| 04:01.19 | MrNaz | can someone tell me once and for all if http://www.tyan.com/products/html/gt24b2891_spec.html says that it has hardware raid or if i need to use software raid? |
| 04:01.20 | befazz | starfishy, sure ? |
| 04:01.49 | dvs | MrNaz: Most motherboards use software RAID |
| 04:02.07 | MrNaz | dvs yes, this is a pretty high end server mobo though, not a consumer mobo |
| 04:02.27 | MrNaz | its a server 1ru system prebuilt, not put together from parts i bought |
| 04:02.55 | peterS | so nvz isn't around |
| 04:02.57 | peterS | surprise, surprise |
| 04:02.59 | MrNaz | all my asus workstations are software raid |
| 04:03.17 | befazz | starfishy, just setting the execute flag doesnt make a file an executable ? how ? |
| 04:03.20 | peterS | how'd his stillers do anyway? I didn't watch the game |
| 04:03.34 | dvs | petemc: They won 21 - 10 |
| 04:03.41 | starfishy | befazz: if the file is not an executable or script it cant just be made one by setting the execute flag |
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| 04:03.47 | peterS | dvs: thanks |
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| 04:04.00 | starfishy | and linuxrc is very likely not an executable and also not a script |
| 04:04.00 | dvs | petemc: No thanks! I wanted the SeaHawks |
| 04:04.04 | peterS | dvs: my choir director is gonna be wearing one of his Steelers polo shirts on Monday, I can guarantee it |
| 04:04.06 | B_S | Night people |
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| 04:05.22 | dvs | YOu're back! |
| 04:05.28 | B_S | People, im running qmail, which best daemon of imap that yours they recommend? |
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| 04:05.34 | befazz | ok starfishy thx : i use the command "touch linuxrc" and after ls -al linuxrc : -rw-r--r-- |
| 04:05.34 | phemur | yes. coming to you live from 2.6 |
| 04:05.38 | EdLin | Didn't Paul Allen own the SeaHawks? |
| 04:05.42 | dvs | !beer phemur |
| 04:05.45 | befazz | starfishy, but doesnt work |
| 04:05.49 | dvs | EdLin: Yup, he was there |
| 04:06.10 | befazz | Failed to execute /linuxrc. Attempting defaults |
| 04:06.14 | starfishy | befazz: init= must point to a valid executable (i.e. a program) |
| 04:06.24 | befazz | ok |
| 04:06.28 | starfishy | you cant just touch a file, make it executable and expect it to work |
| 04:06.42 | phemur | still having the audio problems, though :/ |
| 04:06.50 | starfishy | if you have a problem with your kernel loading init, try init=/bin/bash |
| 04:06.54 | dvs | phemur: What? Can't hear you. ;-) |
| 04:07.01 | phemur | dvs: :P |
| 04:07.05 | Amarande | Isn't Paul Allen a Microsoft bigwig or somesuch? |
| 04:07.07 | Azar | wb phemur |
| 04:07.10 | befazz | ok starfishy ,an executable like bash, yes ok it work |
| 04:07.13 | dvs | Amarande: Used to |
| 04:07.19 | phemur | Azar: thanks; good to be back |
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| 04:07.24 | Azar | ok now phemur you need to know that by default you have oss modules for sound |
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| 04:07.29 | Amarande | heh, he finally came to his senses, then? :) |
| 04:07.30 | ivanfrey | Amarande: Cofounder |
| 04:07.31 | rutski89 | must a host have 2 nics to have 2 ips? |
| 04:07.34 | befazz | starfishy, i can init a executable that execute a script |
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| 04:07.44 | Azar | phemur: your oss module is called i810_audio << remember this |
| 04:07.46 | dvs | rutski89: nope |
| 04:07.49 | EdLin | Amarande: one of the founders of Microsoft who left, being the second richest man in America after Bill Gates |
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| 04:08.07 | phemur | ok |
| 04:08.09 | EdLin | init=/usr/bin/emacs |
| 04:08.13 | dvs | someone spoke too soon |
| 04:08.30 | Azar | phemur: however we all use alsa so your alsa module should be snd_intel8x0 |
| 04:08.45 | dvs | !leet Azar |
| 04:08.45 | dpkg | Azar: stfu b4 i shove my sk8 up yer arse myIQ- 180 |
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| 04:09.10 | peterS | nvz: how bout them stillers? |
| 04:09.14 | Azar | phemur: so now the first thing you boot the PC the oss is autoloaded, you need to disable that behavior and install alsa and have alsa load instead <<< general idea |
| 04:09.20 | nvz | peterS: yeah buddy |
| 04:09.20 | cabbie | ? |
| 04:09.22 | EdLin | dvs: that factoid should have the "-" moved over a space to the right. ;-) |
| 04:09.27 | Azar | :) |
| 04:09.30 | Azar | haha dvs |
| 04:09.34 | nvz | peterS: I got a big blaze raging out in my fire pit right now |
| 04:09.35 | dvs | EdLin: I think that is implied |
| 04:09.50 | peterS | nvz: hehe. I actually didn't watch the game (not a big football fan), but I guess they pulled it off |
| 04:09.55 | B_S | Amd Athlon 64 3200 512kCache x Intel P3 630 3.2 Ghz HT EM64T 2mb cache, what is your choice? |
| 04:09.57 | phemur | Azar: yes! that's exactly what I need to do! I've been saying that for years! |
| 04:09.58 | rene- | hello: i need to setup a syslog server in debian, for remote devices use, any advise? |
| 04:10.18 | dvs | B_S: AMD, it runs cooler |
| 04:10.19 | lunitik | peterS: I didn't watch either... its cool Bettis finally gets a ring though... |
| 04:10.26 | ivanfrey | Azar: shouldn't udev automatically detect the soundcard and load the appropriate module? |
| 04:10.39 | Azar | ok now phemur, I lost it I can't remember how to check what modules you actually have loaded and running, so I leave you with the gurus for help |
| 04:10.44 | dvs | ivanfrey: not udev |
| 04:10.47 | nvz | peterS: yeah they won. I didnt really watch either. most of my friends are dahntahn on Carson St, on the Sahside.. and they arent letting anyone in or out of the burg anytime soon |
| 04:10.48 | phemur | Azar: does this take into account the fact that my sound is working normally in most cases, just not these certain circumstances? |
| 04:10.51 | nvz | the city is closed |
| 04:10.51 | lunitik | ivanfrey: it should... whether or not it does is another story... |
| 04:11.01 | rutski89 | dvs, oh... really? how does that work then? |
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| 04:11.02 | lunitik | dvs: in new kernels... yes udev... |
| 04:11.03 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 04:11.14 | dvs | rutski89: I use alsaconf |
| 04:11.33 | Azar | phemur: I have no idea, it depends on the player you are using, modules, settings with the player, etc |
| 04:11.34 | dvs | lunitik: udev loads sound modules? Not for me! |
| 04:11.47 | lunitik | dvs: does here... apt-get install udev ... |
| 04:11.50 | Azar | I have not heard of udev until now, what it is? |
| 04:12.02 | dvs | !udev |
| 04:12.02 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or a package which breaks particularly often in unstable, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.12 in testing and unstable |
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| 04:12.04 | dvs | o-O |
| 04:12.05 | rutski89 | dvs, but... alsa is... a sound server, isn't it? |
| 04:12.15 | Azar | wow never used that |
| 04:12.15 | dvs | rutski89: No, it's more than that. |
| 04:12.19 | Azar | and my sound works |
| 04:12.25 | lunitik | dvs: it replaces hotplug in kernels newer than 2.6.14 I think... and should probe and load all drivers for any device... |
| 04:12.27 | Azar | ..without udev |
| 04:12.44 | rutski89 | dvs, alsa does networking too? |
| 04:12.51 | dvs | rutski89: no |
| 04:12.54 | Azar | so anyone can help phemur find what modules he is running and install alsa? |
| 04:13.05 | dvs | !install alsa |
| 04:13.05 | lunitik | rutski89: Advances Linux Sound Architechture... no |
| 04:13.14 | lunitik | Advanced* |
| 04:13.20 | rutski89 | dvs, then why did you mention it in regards to a networking equestion? |
| 04:13.24 | Azar | sigh ok |
| 04:13.27 | Azar | I will "try" |
| 04:13.36 | rutski89 | lunitik, yup, i know |
| 04:14.23 | Azar | phemur type modconf and start looking to see what modules you have enabled for sound (marked ones) do not select/mark anything yet.. |
| 04:14.44 | Azar | I have no freaking idea how to check for loaded modules other than modconf |
| 04:14.46 | dvs | rutski89: ? I missed the networking part? o_O |
| 04:14.50 | peterS | Azar: lsmod |
| 04:14.55 | phemur | Azar: command not found |
| 04:15.01 | Azar | ;) ah thanks peterS |
| 04:15.11 | Azar | phemur do what peterS said |
| 04:15.14 | Azar | ...err type |
| 04:15.15 | peterS | phemur: yeah, 'lsmod' shows your currently loaded modules |
| 04:15.37 | B_S | dvs: you have a little time for conversation about processor in pvt? because this conversation off-topic |
| 04:15.57 | phemur | OK. that returns a lot of stuff; what exactly am I looking for? |
| 04:16.13 | Azar | soundcore snd is the correct one do you see it? |
| 04:16.23 | dvs | phemur: probably i810_audio |
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| 04:16.34 | phemur | soundcore 10272 2 snd,i810_audio |
| 04:16.44 | Azar | nice he has alsa |
| 04:16.51 | dvs | Azar: no |
| 04:16.55 | MrNaz | ?? raid |
| 04:17.02 | dvs | phemur: aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 04:17.19 | Azar | dvs why not the entire one liner? |
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| 04:17.43 | dvs | Azar: There's only that and "alsaconf". What's so hard about that? |
| 04:18.12 | Azar | dvs what is m-a a-i alsa-source for? |
| 04:18.28 | dvs | Azar: I assume compiling alsa from source |
| 04:18.48 | phemur | ok, alsa-utils has been installed |
| 04:18.51 | Azar | dvs ah I never did that |
| 04:18.56 | dvs | phemur: alsaconf |
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| 04:19.02 | phemur | dvs: roger |
| 04:19.15 | phemur | dvs: done |
| 04:19.19 | befazz | starfishy, how can i execute a boot script before init ? |
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| 04:19.33 | dvs | phemur: Then see if it works. |
| 04:19.37 | ejofee | can i force gmplayer to display the frame number? |
| 04:19.40 | starfishy | you cant execute anything before init |
| 04:19.47 | starfishy | why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 04:20.21 | befazz | starfishy, for learning ;) |
| 04:20.33 | phemur | dvs: no luck |
| 04:20.41 | starfishy | init is the process that all other processes in the process tree are spawned from |
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| 04:20.45 | B_S | dvs: your point for this choice is cooler capacity? |
| 04:20.48 | Azar | phemur: what player are you using? |
| 04:20.54 | dvs | phemur: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 04:21.04 | starfishy | befazz: what would be the purpose of doing that>? |
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| 04:21.25 | phemur | Azar: I'm trying to play things in a web browser. firefox and epiphany both have the same problem |
| 04:21.40 | Azar | bleh browser |
| 04:21.40 | befazz | starfishy, yes, the only way is to make a script a the start of init like rc0.d ? |
| 04:22.00 | phemur | dvs: I did that, and now my speakers are hissing at me |
| 04:22.01 | Azar | one needs no player to play a browser? |
| 04:22.05 | starfishy | you can start a script after init |
| 04:22.10 | befazz | starfishy, the purpose is to make a automounting hd script |
| 04:22.13 | dvs | phemur: Then sounds work. Hit ctrl-c |
| 04:22.25 | starfishy | automounting occurs much later than executing init |
| 04:22.45 | starfishy | an automounter is started after even the root fs is mounted |
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| 04:23.13 | befazz | starfishy, ok thx. |
| 04:23.27 | dvs | phemur: do "lsmod | grep snd" and add anything that does NOT have words after the second number to your /etc/modules file |
| 04:23.36 | starfishy | befazz: yw |
| 04:23.54 | peterS | phemur: he means the 'snd_intel8x0' module, if that is loaded, and 'snd_pcm_oss' |
| 04:24.15 | Azar | and snd core? |
| 04:24.17 | dvs | peterS: That too |
| 04:24.20 | befazz | starfishy, how can i make a script after init process ? |
| 04:24.22 | dvs | Azar: not necessary |
| 04:24.32 | roz | Can someone help me with USB Hotplug? |
| 04:24.32 | peterS | Azar: yeah the other modules pull that in automatically |
| 04:24.43 | phemur | so, only one line doesn't have text after the second number, snd_intel8x0 36460 0 |
| 04:24.44 | Azar | peterS: ah nice |
| 04:24.46 | phemur | I'm to do what with that? |
| 04:25.02 | starfishy | befazz:: just make a start script |
| 04:25.04 | peterS | phemur: add a line "snd_intel8x0" (no quotes) to /etc/modules |
| 04:25.08 | peterS | phemur: then it will load next time you boot |
| 04:25.21 | dvs | phemur: echo snd_intel8x0 >> /etc/modules; echo snd_pcm_oss >> /etc/modules |
| 04:25.21 | peterS | phemur: also add "snd_pcm_oss" in case that doesn't autoload (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't) |
| 04:25.29 | Azar | and comment the oss line? |
| 04:25.39 | starfishy | befazz: look at /etc/inittab |
| 04:25.49 | peterS | phemur: and if there's a line in /etc/modules "i810_audio", remove it, it'll get in the way |
| 04:25.51 | starfishy | this file is used to govern the startup process |
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| 04:26.34 | phemur | ok, added snd_intel8x0 |
| 04:26.44 | dvs | phemur: and snd_pcm_oss? |
| 04:26.53 | phemur | I added it, but commented it out. remove comment? |
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| 04:26.58 | dvs | phemur: yes |
| 04:27.20 | phemur | dvs: done |
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| 04:27.46 | phemur | I'm confused as to why my sound is working for most apps, and even most things I play in my browser |
| 04:28.12 | phemur | at any rate, reboot time? |
| 04:28.15 | dvs | phemur: Because those few apps are not configured properly |
| 04:28.25 | dvs | phemur: You can if you want. |
| 04:28.36 | grinder|laptop | ok, is there a reason I can't apt-get libdnet? |
| 04:28.38 | phemur | dvs: don't I need to in order to load those modules? |
| 04:28.52 | dvs | phemur: Those modules are already loaded |
| 04:28.58 | dvs | phemur: lsmod | grep snd |
| 04:29.36 | phemur | dvs: oh, so why did I have to add them to /etc/modules ? |
| 04:29.39 | peterS | phemur: wait, is i810_audio still loaded? |
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| 04:29.50 | dvs | phemur: So it will load up automatically the next time |
| 04:30.19 | phemur | peterS: as far as I can tell, yes |
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| 04:30.38 | yos87 | hi |
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| 04:30.50 | peterS | phemur: ok so snd_intel8x0 is not actually working, it's there but doing nothing, because i810_audio still has control |
| 04:31.04 | peterS | phemur: either you can reboot, that'll fix it, or you can unload half a dozen modules then reload a couple |
| 04:31.05 | dvs | phemur: reboot then |
| 04:31.09 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 04:31.27 | phemur | ok. brb |
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| 04:31.58 | peterS | yos eighty-seven. |
| 04:32.21 | Azar | no upgrades for me.. nice when keeping minimum.. |
| 04:32.37 | grendal_prime | he is kde fixed in testin yet? |
| 04:32.41 | yos87 | my birthday |
| 04:33.23 | grendal_prime | testing that is...well for the redneck debian distro its testin |
| 04:33.26 | ice_1963 | nop |
| 04:33.40 | peterS | 87, wow, I feel old |
| 04:33.40 | netman1 | [No flames, please!] Is it possible to run gdm om vt7 and kdm on vt8? |
| 04:33.42 | grinder|laptop | what package provides libdnet via apt-get? |
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| 04:34.03 | netman1 | grinder : apt-file search libdnet |
| 04:34.09 | grendal_prime | netman1, i would think so |
| 04:34.23 | grendal_prime | might have to use two different users to make things easyer though |
| 04:34.32 | grendal_prime | well you might want to i mean |
| 04:34.46 | netman1 | grendal: that's perfrectly understandable. |
| 04:34.47 | chealer_ | grendal_prime: ask #debian-kde |
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| 04:35.06 | netman1 | chealer : might get shot overthere ;-) |
| 04:35.08 | Azar | http://www.bash.org/?608521 :) |
| 04:35.29 | grendal_prime | cool chealer_ i will thanks |
| 04:35.32 | peterS | grinder|laptop: apt-cache search libdnet. but why are you interested in DECnet? does anyone use that anymore? |
| 04:35.45 | grinder|laptop | trying to compile firewalk |
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| 04:35.58 | dvs | !lart rainbowbright |
| 04:36.03 | B_S | Which best the serving IMAP or likes to work? |
| 04:36.06 | phemur | back, and guess what, all sound problems seem to have gone away! |
| 04:36.12 | rainbowbright | wtf |
| 04:36.15 | B_S | Which best the serving IMAP or yours likes to work? |
| 04:36.15 | dvs | phemur: next problem |
| 04:36.18 | phemur | now I can finally watch Terry Tate, office linebacker |
| 04:36.33 | dvs | rainbowbright: nothing personal but I just HATED that character when I was a kid |
| 04:36.49 | rainbowbright | sorry |
| 04:36.58 | yos87 | I install a graphic interface, but when I start debian, it's not automaticly start with graphic mode |
| 04:37.06 | yos87 | I have to write startx |
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| 04:37.14 | phemur | dvs, Azar, peterS, all you guys, if you ever need a kidney or anything... |
| 04:37.14 | raden | how can i get a file count of how many files are in a directory ? |
| 04:37.19 | zinx | yos87: you need a display manager |
| 04:37.20 | yos87 | can't be autmaticly |
| 04:37.20 | rainbowbright | i need to know how to link my outlook with my roomates outlook so i can keep orgonized |
| 04:37.22 | dvs | Ewwwwwww |
| 04:37.27 | peterS | phemur: heh, all in a day's work |
| 04:37.29 | Azar | lol |
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| 04:37.38 | rainbowbright | im lookin to use volution but do they have that for debian |
| 04:37.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:37.46 | Amarande | I guess I had better shutdown X before I install the new nvidia driver :) |
| 04:37.46 | netman1 | yos87 gdm / kdm needs to be in your /etc/rc?.d/S???dm scripts |
| 04:37.49 | dvs | rainbowbright: evolution? |
| 04:37.55 | peterS | rainbowbright: we have evolution, yes, you can just install it as with any other app |
| 04:38.06 | Azar | I have done alsa so many times, but it seems so intricated, I never really learned... just going "by the ear" |
| 04:38.15 | yos87 | zinx: what is the display manager |
| 04:38.27 | phemur | Azar: I just dread the next time I have to reformat and figure this all out again |
| 04:38.37 | netman1 | yes87 : gdm, kdm, xdm ... |
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| 04:38.53 | ivanfrey | peterS: but doesn't rainbowbright need a centralized calendaring service? |
| 04:38.55 | peterS | Azar: you know, alsa-utils should be packaged with a sample wav file people can use for testing. it can be the verizon guy. "Can you hear me now?" |
| 04:39.08 | phemur | actually, I do have another minor problem, if you guys don't mind... ;) |
| 04:39.11 | Azar | phemur: just remember first thing after install >> kernel upgrade helps with deivces later on |
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| 04:39.30 | yos87 | netman1: how to shift my gdm to the /etc/rc?.d?s???dm |
| 04:39.40 | dvs | phemur: $50 please. We're your pusher now. ;-) |
| 04:39.40 | Azar | peterS: I download short mod files to test |
| 04:39.46 | grendal_prime | netman1, i can tell you this...if you run two x sessions, things get funky with dri.. meaning...if you running a video on one desktop. it will not do dri on the other desktop |
| 04:39.53 | phemur | Azar: I always thought that doing anything to the kernel would require lots of voodoo and several minor deities |
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| 04:40.02 | grendal_prime | at least it doesnt on these machines |
| 04:40.11 | Amarande | there we go :) |
| 04:40.15 | Azar | phemur: things of the past now... sarge comes with a variety of precompiled kernels |
| 04:40.15 | peterS | phemur: these days it's mainly just a matter of installing a package |
| 04:40.16 | netman1 | yos87 : ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm |
| 04:40.18 | rainbowbright | peterS: not evolution... Volution Messaging Server |
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| 04:40.40 | phemur | a good day to be alive, then |
| 04:40.40 | peterS | rainbowbright: oh, debian doesn't ship with that |
| 04:40.41 | netman1 | yos87 : don't shift, link! |
| 04:40.59 | grendal_prime | ATI radion 8900 and i have a i80 intel graphics on the laptop..and it does the same thing wiht the dri |
| 04:41.11 | phemur | here's my other problem: spellcheck isn't working for me. openoffice, abiword, autospellcheck doesn't do anything, nor does manual |
| 04:41.13 | peterS | netman1: you're missing the point that gdm comes that way by default, so most likely the dude doesn't have a dm installed at all |
| 04:41.14 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here need some odd jobs done? I've got time, and I am pretty bored. |
| 04:41.30 | rainbowbright | peterS: they have that for caldera, looking for similar for debian (VMS for short) |
| 04:41.37 | grendal_prime | ya... xbmodder_lappy i want what all end users want |
| 04:41.47 | Amarande | lemme guess, rmmod'ing the nvidia module while X is running would probably have caused X to crash and possibly kernel panic? :) |
| 04:41.52 | Azar | phemur: I noticed on my openoffice I do not even have a "help" available, I guess there are stuff to be installed... |
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| 04:41.57 | topaz | xbmodder_lappy: If you'll cut a hole in my HDD and replace it with a plexiglas window |
| 04:42.05 | topaz | I'd be superhappy |
| 04:42.14 | grendal_prime | i want it ALL ...i want it NOW...and i want it when i press the big red button in the middle of the screen...can ya handle that xbmodder_lappy ??? |
| 04:42.20 | rainbowbright | Azar,try man |
| 04:43.00 | yos87 | netman1: I'm begginer, can you tell me how to link it exactly if you don't mind |
| 04:43.00 | ivanfrey | Amarande: I don't think the kernel is that fragile. |
| 04:43.01 | netman1 | yos87 : ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm |
| 04:43.01 | Azar | rainbowbright: it directs me to their site where I have to become member and god knows what else.. gay maybe |
| 04:43.01 | rainbowbright | lol |
| 04:43.12 | Azar | bah I gave up on them |
| 04:43.14 | rainbowbright | Azar: Omg you made me wet myself |
| 04:43.23 | Amarande | ivanfrey: I'm supposing it would have caused X to exit under rather unclean circumstances, though. :) |
| 04:43.39 | Azar | Sun is commercial , right? |
| 04:44.01 | phemur | Azar: my help doc is conspicuously absent as well |
| 04:44.18 | Azar | ..not that I would not pitch in if needed but it did not looked ok for me |
| 04:44.54 | ivanfrey | Azar: Yep, Sun is an evil corporate entity, ;-) |
| 04:45.23 | Azar | ivanfrey: that explains why we only get a "demo" copy of OO |
| 04:46.34 | yos87 | how to restart from the text mode |
| 04:46.37 | Amarande | ehh, I think Sun makes a pretty decent Java VM |
| 04:46.52 | Amarande | Solaris isn't bad, either |
| 04:47.14 | Azar | phemur: my spellcheck works is on auto |
| 04:47.26 | Azar | .. at least on my spreadsheets |
| 04:47.34 | rainbowbright | !sh |
| 04:47.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, sh is the POSIX shell, or the old System V (and earlier) Bourne shell, or usually a symbolic link to /bin/bash on a GNU/Linux system |
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| 04:47.54 | Gnea | +/wn |
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| 04:48.12 | Gnea | oop |
| 04:48.13 | phemur | Azar: it's strange. it's broken for me in abiword and openoffice, haven't tried any other apps |
| 04:48.19 | ivanfrey | Amarande: Corporations are still evil, even they do make half decent products. ;-) |
| 04:48.49 | cast | anyone have any clues on how to run a cmd when ever a user is successfully authenticated with sshd? (having their name would be handy too) |
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| 04:49.28 | zinx | cast: /etc/pam.d/ |
| 04:49.31 | Azar | phemur: bah I never use spellcheck |
| 04:49.45 | Gnea | cast: ${HOME}/.bashrc |
| 04:50.04 | zinx | Gnea: really bad solution |
| 04:50.16 | phemur | Azar: yeah, I'm not suggesting that I ever make spelling mistakes, but sometimes the keys on my keyboard stick, or I type too fast for my computer... you know how it goes |
| 04:50.28 | Amarande | at least linux tends to be pretty avoidant of counterbugs, at least that I've seen |
| 04:50.32 | Gnea | zinx: no it's not. |
| 04:50.36 | MrNaz | what 2.6 kernel is in sarge 3.1 ? 2.6.? |
| 04:50.47 | Azar | 2.6.8 the highest |
| 04:50.50 | Gnea | zinx: how is it really bad instead of just bad? |
| 04:50.50 | cast | Gnea: nah, the idea was that i know when users login [kinda as a watchdog thing] |
| 04:51.00 | MrNaz | azar thanks |
| 04:51.01 | Amarande | MrNaz: Sarge comes with 2.6.8 |
| 04:51.08 | Amarande | but the 2.6.12 packages from etch should work fine |
| 04:51.09 | Gnea | cast: it can also be done that way. |
| 04:51.19 | Gnea | although pam is probably better |
| 04:51.23 | zinx | Gnea: because .bashrc is under user control |
| 04:51.36 | Gnea | zinx: good point |
| 04:51.47 | Amarande | MrNaz: if you want to be able to pull stuff from etch or sid, just add the appropriate lines to sources.list |
| 04:51.58 | Amarande | and then set preferences so that you'll still default to sarge unless you specifically ask for etch or sid |
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| 04:52.20 | Amarande | note that pulling stuff from etch or sid, especially on sarge, will probably mean pulling a hella lot of other stuff though too, to the point where you'll probably have pretty much etch or sid anyway :) |
| 04:52.22 | zinx | cast: anyway, read up on pam, it can do what you want |
| 04:52.24 | peterS | cast: the trick is finding a pam module that will launch some sort of monitoring thing. then if you find one (or write one), you can add it to /etc/pam.d/ssh to make it run at that time |
| 04:52.34 | Azar | it would be nice if etch will have a feature in the installer to autofind the exact cpu architecture and recommend the highest stable kernel at installation. that would spare lots of work and time after installation |
| 04:53.12 | peterS | Azar: work and time? most users don't even notice whether their kernel is compiled with --omg-optimized |
| 04:53.36 | roz | Can someone help me with USB Hotplug? |
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| 04:53.51 | e-doll | hi it's me :-( |
| 04:53.53 | Azar | peterS: new users jump on audio / video config right after the installation not knowing in theri holy newbiness that they installed with a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:54.06 | peterS | Azar: etch is not expected to ship with a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:54.06 | e-doll | i installed xserver-xorg and I can'tget adisplay |
| 04:54.17 | e-doll | can someone help me get a display please? |
| 04:54.19 | phemur | Azar: lies |
| 04:54.39 | cast | peterS: alright, ill see how far i get with this |
| 04:54.48 | chealer_ | e-doll: what do you mean exactly by "get a display"? |
| 04:54.48 | Azar | peterS, whatever the default kernel will be it would be nice a fine tune tool that could read / recommend the optimal kernel for the given machine |
| 04:55.04 | peterS | Azar: anyway, "recommending the highest stable kernel" is equivalent to changing the installer default to use 2.6 instead of 2.4. if the debian developers had had any confidence that 2.6.8 was stable in all situations, they would have done this already |
| 04:55.21 | MrNaz | Azar : i'm still in the install process... trying to get my 4 raptor drives working as a raid0+1 array... if i install using linux26 to install kernal 2.6.8 i assume it defaults to using libata coz the drives show up as SCSI drives yes? |
| 04:55.51 | peterS | MrNaz: it should use libata for most SATA chips, yes |
| 04:56.19 | MrNaz | peterS thanks |
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| 04:56.53 | e-doll | can someone help me get my display back please. I switched from xfree86 to xorg and i can't see :-( |
| 04:57.01 | Azar | MrNaz, I am not so expert in hardware, never dealed with SCSI or raptor so I do not know |
| 04:57.08 | zeeble | er, what installer uses a 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 04:57.14 | MrNaz | i want to install software raid on my system now, but i have no idea what im doing in the install process it seems quite counter intuitive; its asking me to set partitions BEFORE i can define the array... surely you'd need to define the array first? or am i completely missing something |
| 04:57.19 | Gnea | !tell e-doll about ask |
| 04:57.23 | Gnea | !tell e-doll about repeat |
| 04:57.33 | Jake | damn, the kernel used by the latest installer doesnt support my nic... nhowever the latest kernel does :( - what are my options? |
| 04:57.38 | peterS | zeeble: the next etch installer beta is supposed to use 2.6.15-4 |
| 04:57.40 | Azar | zeeble, that was on my dreams.. |
| 04:57.43 | glitchyone | can someone help with strange sound playback issue? |
| 04:57.45 | Gnea | Jake: what nic? |
| 04:57.47 | zeeble | peterS ah. |
| 04:57.52 | Gnea | !tell glitchyone about ask |
| 04:57.56 | zeeble | Azar ok :) |
| 04:58.02 | phemur | I'm off. Thanks again for all your help guys. It's nice when things work :) |
| 04:58.13 | Azar | that sounds nice, peterS |
| 04:58.15 | Amarande | and by the way, 2.6.15.2 is current, not 2.6.15 |
| 04:58.21 | Jake | Gnea: an intel one, the e100 driver with 2.6.12 works! |
| 04:58.24 | phemur | I work tech support, so I normally roll my eyes when people say this, but you're geniuses ;) |
| 04:58.36 | Azar | I am preparing money for an Etch box |
| 04:58.37 | Amarande | yah, the intel ethernet drivers are dodgy on 2.6.8 |
| 04:58.41 | peterS | Amarande: that doesn't matter, the debian patched 2.6.15 isn't identical to the original 2.6.15 anyway - they probably imported most of the .2 patches |
| 04:58.43 | Gnea | Jake: 2.6.8 doesn't? |
| 04:58.45 | Amarande | I had to use 2.6.12 to get mine working |
| 04:58.47 | Jake | nope :( |
| 04:58.59 | Gnea | report a bug |
| 04:59.02 | Gnea | !bts |
| 04:59.02 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 04:59.05 | zeeble | Are the netinstall images updated to use the new kernel as well? |
| 04:59.06 | Amarande | peterS: does debian add any features to their kernel that never become present in the stock kernel |
| 04:59.12 | Amarande | or do they just backport stuff? |
| 04:59.19 | peterS | Gnea: that's not terribly helpful, it's not like the sarge 2.6.8 kernel will be re-released just to fix this |
| 04:59.21 | Jake | Gnea, yep, but how too tackle this immediate hurdle |
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| 04:59.40 | peterS | Amarande: debian has certainly added stuff in the past. I don't think they do much of that these days. |
| 04:59.40 | glitchyone | Here is my problem > I can play sound with gxine and totem no problem but cannot with xmms or rythem box |
| 04:59.56 | e-doll | Im running kde on Debian sarge kernel 2.4.27. I installed xorg as my X server. I had xfree86 before this. I have no Gui. I just have a bash prompt. Can someone help me get a graphical user interface again please? |
| 04:59.57 | e-doll | :-) |
| 05:00.06 | Gnea | peterS: patches would get moved into an apt-get update, and there will eventually be another revision release |
| 05:00.11 | Azar | glitchyone: I run xmms fine -- no idea what totem is |
| 05:00.15 | peterS | Gnea: nope |
| 05:00.16 | glitchyone | I am using Debian Sarge testing on 2.6.10-2 |
| 05:00.22 | peterS | Gnea: not for that type of bug fix, they wouldn't |
| 05:00.33 | Gnea | peterS: oh. |
| 05:00.55 | Azar | glitchyone: I am running xmms and I configured it to play with alsa |
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| 05:01.15 | e-doll | im new to Debian |
| 05:01.24 | Amarande | dpkg, tell e-doll about drxx |
| 05:01.38 | Gnea | e-doll: how did you install xorg? |
| 05:01.42 | peterS | Jake: you can pull down an etch beta installer image from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:01.48 | chealer_ | e-doll: try starting X |
| 05:01.54 | Azar | e-doll if you are new you should have never installed xorg |
| 05:02.03 | Jake | peterS, and install etch? O.o |
| 05:02.04 | peterS | Jake: that will by default install testing rather than stable, but I think it *can* be told to install stable. and the kernel will be 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 or something of that vintage |
| 05:02.19 | Gnea | Azar: that doesn't help. |
| 05:02.23 | Jake | oh, and that would give me a sarge installation then???? :D |
| 05:02.27 | peterS | Jake: check the release notes / docs that can be found near that page, there should be instructions for installing sarge with it somewhere |
| 05:02.32 | glitchyone | Azar: how does one configure that? |
| 05:02.35 | Azar | e-doll : 1. install 2. upgrade kernel to a 2.6.8 .. then the gadgets |
| 05:02.42 | glitchyone | I tried different output and I get this error |
| 05:02.44 | Azar | Gnea ah. ok |
| 05:02.45 | liable | peterS: really? thats pretty cool if it can do that. |
| 05:02.57 | peterS | liable: I think you have to go into expert mode. I forget the details. |
| 05:03.12 | liable | looking. |
| 05:03.13 | Azar | glitchyone: are you running alsa ? |
| 05:03.17 | glitchyone | "failed to open audio output: OSS Driver 1.2.10 |
| 05:03.23 | yos87 | netman1: it doesn't work |
| 05:03.36 | Azar | glitchyone: you have to change from OSS to ALSA in xmms |
| 05:03.57 | glitchyone | yes default kernel of 2.6.10-2 and alsamixer is fine... |
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| 05:04.05 | glitchyone | k let me see if that is an option |
| 05:04.27 | Azar | glitchyone: in options>preferences |
| 05:04.31 | zeeble | I hope they manage to create the d-i GUI installer as an option when etch is released. |
| 05:04.41 | e-doll | i think the one configureation during my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it asked me about how much ram i want to use in kb measures. I want to use 32 MB. what would that be in kb. When i type startx, it tries to give me a display. |
| 05:04.47 | Azar | glitchyone: change the Output Plugin to ALSA |
| 05:04.54 | glitchyone | Azar: wow that was easy |
| 05:05.02 | Azar | xmms rules |
| 05:05.05 | glitchyone | I just missed it the first time looking for some reason |
| 05:05.11 | e-doll | im thinking maybe im not giving it enough ram |
| 05:05.40 | peterS | zeeble: I don't see much point, but hey, some people think it's important |
| 05:05.42 | ejofee | can i force gmplayer to display the frame number? |
| 05:05.54 | ejofee | (or not?) |
| 05:06.09 | peterS | zeeble: actually I do see a point, you can't display certain languages very well without graphics. I guess that's why they're working on this at all |
| 05:06.20 | glitchyone | Thanks for the help Azar |
| 05:06.27 | Gnea | e-doll: it should auto-detect the ram that's on the video card without saying how much is there |
| 05:06.39 | Azar | you are welcome glitchyone |
| 05:07.06 | e-doll | Gnea: it is blank and wants me to put a number in kb in there |
| 05:07.08 | zeeble | peterS yeah. that's what some of the work is for. .. but a nice added option. nothing beats the standard install procedure though. |
| 05:07.42 | e-doll | i don't know how much kb makes up 32 mb |
| 05:07.58 | Gnea | e-doll: hit enter |
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| 05:08.13 | e-doll | ok |
| 05:08.24 | e-doll | brb |
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| 05:09.06 | yos87 | update-alternatives –config x-window-manager is it right? |
| 05:10.43 | liable | yos87: you got x to work? |
| 05:11.02 | yos87 | no |
| 05:11.28 | liable | yos87: :( whats wrong now? |
| 05:11.33 | yos87 | liable: I get graphic mode, but it's not starting autmaticly |
| 05:11.45 | yos87 | liable: when I start the pc |
| 05:11.54 | liable | yos87: install gdm or kdm for a graphical login |
| 05:12.34 | yos87 | liable: is it apt-get install gdm? |
| 05:12.39 | liable | yep |
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| 05:13.18 | w32 | Hi, does anyone have any resources on how to make a multihomed dhcp server using linux any distro is fine but I'd like to use debian for it if possible |
| 05:13.22 | yos87 | liable: how are you? |
| 05:13.40 | liable | yos87: good thanks. home early from work :) |
| 05:14.15 | yos87 | liable: done, |
| 05:14.22 | yos87 | liable: I just reboot |
| 05:14.30 | liable | yep |
| 05:14.34 | peterS | w32: the regular 'dhcpd3-server' package should have no problem with this |
| 05:14.54 | w32 | I'm trying to address vlans |
| 05:15.00 | zeeble | for now, just start the display manager.. no need to reboot. |
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| 05:15.06 | peterS | w32: in the config file you can specify netblock containers for other config bits, so you can customise whatever you need to per-network |
| 05:15.19 | w32 | oh reallly |
| 05:15.28 | w32 | dhcp.conf |
| 05:15.33 | peterS | w32: yeah, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 05:15.53 | yos87 | liable: working |
| 05:16.00 | liable | cool |
| 05:16.05 | w32 | ok so basically nano /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 05:16.16 | w32 | and then edit the respective eth |
| 05:16.33 | peterS | w32: yeah, and declare blocks like "subnet 10.10.220.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { ... }" |
| 05:16.50 | mhall | bloody sunday |
| 05:16.52 | mhall | PINTO |
| 05:17.27 | peterS | w32: try 'man dhcpd.conf' and look at the EXAMPLES section |
| 05:17.29 | w32 | is the conf commented to detail declaration of blocks or should I read something on it |
| 05:17.51 | w32 | you answered it alreadt |
| 05:17.55 | peterS | (: |
| 05:17.56 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:18.01 | w32 | thanks peters |
| 05:18.06 | peterS | np |
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| 05:18.36 | glitchyone | Question what is the equivelent command for ipconfig /release or renew under debian? Is it done somehow with ifconfig up/down? |
| 05:19.00 | yos87 | liable: I'm using xchat , I cannot get the cannel list? |
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| 05:19.13 | peterS | glitchyone: yeah, 'ifdown eth0' would be a release. I don't know if you can renew an address easily |
| 05:19.14 | CcSsNET | ifconfig --help |
| 05:19.29 | liable | yos87: theres a button you need to press to get the channels |
| 05:19.37 | dotCOMmie | glitchyone: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0? |
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| 05:19.47 | Azar | glitchyone: manual for general network config: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 05:19.51 | liable | yos87: sorry dont know exactly where, dont use xchat |
| 05:19.57 | peterS | dotCOMmie: the problem with that is that you lose your network connection briefly, and you *might* not even get the same IP back |
| 05:20.04 | w32 | So i should be able to do this on a "small" debian release without any issues and forget about it that's all I want the server for |
| 05:20.18 | w32 | maybe dns too |
| 05:20.20 | yos87 | liable: what do you use |
| 05:20.33 | peterS | w32: sounds fine. really any Linux version would do, they all seem to ship the ISC dhcp server |
| 05:20.43 | glitchyone | dotCOMmie: that still keeps the same IP address |
| 05:20.54 | w32 | Cool thanks again |
| 05:21.08 | liable | yos87: irssi, its a cli client, not graphical. |
| 05:21.10 | dotCOMmie | glitchyone: clean dhclient logs |
| 05:21.52 | dotCOMmie | peterS: You should get same IP back dhcp usually keeps the IP for you for some time |
| 05:21.54 | Amarande | depends on how the local DHCP lease system works |
| 05:22.06 | yos87 | liable: what is the package name |
| 05:22.09 | peterS | dotCOMmie: depends on what DHCP server it is and how it's configured |
| 05:22.21 | Amarande | if you use a router, it depends on your router cfg |
| 05:22.25 | Amarande | if you don't, it's based on your ISP |
| 05:22.27 | zeeble | yos87 apt-cache search irssi |
| 05:22.32 | dotCOMmie | yeah |
| 05:22.34 | liable | yos87: irssi-text (apt-cache show irssi) |
| 05:22.35 | peterS | dotCOMmie: some ISPs purposely give you a different IP just to make it inconvenient to use a dynamic IP as though it were a static |
| 05:22.36 | Amarande | though I always static-IP boxes on the LAN |
| 05:22.42 | liable | err, search.. |
| 05:22.56 | Amarande | the only machine on my LAN that ever uses DHCP is the Xbox |
| 05:22.58 | glitchyone | this system is switched and using the DHCP server from the ISP |
| 05:23.15 | yos87 | zeeble: I'm using http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo |
| 05:23.18 | Amarande | I find Charter -very rarely- reassigns my IP |
| 05:23.22 | yos87 | zeeble: it's better |
| 05:23.25 | King_Brad | is there a console text editor besides nano? |
| 05:23.33 | Amarande | King_Brad: vi |
| 05:23.41 | jjazz | King_Brad: emacs |
| 05:23.46 | peterS | King_Brad: lots of 'em. vim, emacs, xemacs, joe, are popular ones |
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| 05:23.52 | dotCOMmie | glitchyone: change MAC and clean dhclint logs its bound to issue you a new IP |
| 05:23.54 | jjazz | King_Brad: pico, ae, etc. |
| 05:23.55 | Amarande | what's this nano thing anyway ... usually I hear about vi and emacs :) |
| 05:23.57 | zzer | pico ......... |
| 05:24.20 | Amarande | basically, I tend to go several -months- on one IP address, unless there's a lengthy power failure or the such |
| 05:24.21 | IRCMonkey_ | hi list. i downloaded debian source packages , anyone knows how to build it like the debian way? |
| 05:24.24 | peterS | Amarande: nano is a clone of pico, the editor that came out of the Pine project. pico isn't quite free software so nano was written to replace it |
| 05:24.33 | Amarande | IRCMonkey_: apt-get install debhelper |
| 05:24.37 | CcSsNET | nano is best of them all for quick easy AND LOGICAL usage and edits |
| 05:24.51 | glitchyone | dotCOMmie it just seems like there should be some switch for that under ifconfig |
| 05:25.06 | Amarande | I always thought pine was free |
| 05:25.10 | Amarande | I used to use it all the time, anyway |
| 05:25.17 | Amarande | and I definitely never had to pay |
| 05:25.26 | peterS | glitchyone: the reason there isn't a /renew option is that ifconfig doesn't handle DHCP, that's done by a separate program. and the various dhcp client programs available for debian don't seem to have that option |
| 05:25.28 | IRCMonkey_ | Amarande: `apt-get source pkg' , i want to see how debian builds packages |
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| 05:25.30 | zeeble | "free" is not always about paying. |
| 05:25.41 | jjazz | Amarande: !free = not a free software license |
| 05:25.43 | karrot-x | when adding a second interface to network/interfaces, do you always have to auto? |
| 05:25.48 | Amarande | IRCMonkey_: you use debhelper to help you build pkgs |
| 05:25.54 | karrot-x | ie: you have auto eth0, do you need to auto eth0:1? |
| 05:26.02 | yos87 | liable: I install irssi, how to run it |
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| 05:26.04 | peterS | Amarande: the pine license lets you modify, or redistribute, but not both at the same time. you can't distribute modified copies. |
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| 05:26.13 | yos87 | it does not appear in the graphic mode? |
| 05:26.22 | peterS | Amarande: it's important for Debian to be able to distribute modified copies - therefore debian can't and won't ship pine |
| 05:26.31 | zeeble | he told you it was a command line IRC client. |
| 05:26.32 | starfishy | *grumble* postgres tries to create a group with the same ID slocate already used |
| 05:26.48 | jjazz | yos87: 'irssi' will start the client |
| 05:27.07 | Amarande | starfishy: shouldn't break anything, other than that people in either group will get access to both things, which may not be what you want |
| 05:27.19 | jjazz | karrot-x: short answer: no |
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| 05:27.58 | sean_micken | i want to use the xfce packages from backports, but i don't want to use *all* of backports' packages... do i hsave to specify each and every xfce package (set high priority) in my preferences file now? |
| 05:28.43 | starfishy | amarande: you cant create a group with a GID that already exists |
| 05:28.52 | starfishy | so postgres simply doesnt install if slocate is installed |
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| 05:29.30 | starfishy | it works when I uninstall slocate, install postgres and reinstall slocate |
| 05:30.10 | zebalin7 | I hear from some of the Mepis guys that etch is due for some problems? Any truth to this? http://www.mepislovers.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=14005&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0 |
| 05:30.17 | Amarande | hmm, I thought more than one same-numbered group in /etc/group was legal |
| 05:30.40 | kingsley | Why would "strace -p <pid-of-hung-logrotate>" report "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted"? |
| 05:30.45 | Amarande | I know more than one same-numbered user in /etc/passwd is legal, though that really just makes one user with more than one name (and possibly password) |
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| 05:31.05 | starfishy | amarande: you can create one manually but grpadd pukes |
| 05:31.05 | zebalin7 | I tend not to believe much of what comes out of the meips forums... at least not without checking here. |
| 05:31.05 | peterS | Amarande: doesn't mean 'adduser' and 'addgroup' will create them. most likely they'll complain and fail |
| 05:32.12 | yos87 | www.irssi.org does not work over windows |
| 05:32.22 | Azar | :D |
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| 05:33.50 | Banju | Which file system is better? ReiserFs or JSF? |
| 05:34.05 | peterS | Banju: I'd sooner trust JFS. |
| 05:34.18 | peterS | Banju: reiserfs might be a bit faster but it has a very longstanding reputation for dodginess |
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| 05:34.57 | zebalin7 | peterS: I've been using reiserfs for four years and never had a single problem with it. |
| 05:35.14 | peterS | zebalin7: I used it for awhile without problems, then one day I had to do a fsck and it *segfaulted* |
| 05:35.22 | peterS | zebalin7: that's the kind of thing that makes a body lose some confidence |
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| 05:35.44 | zebalin7 | peterS: only distro that would not work with it was Fedora |
| 05:35.55 | Azar | anyone ventured yet with PSDoom? |
| 05:36.26 | peterS | zebalin7: the actual disk corruption may or may not have been reiserfs's fault - I was having minor hardware trouble at the time - but there's no excuse for a fsck tool to *crash* |
| 05:36.29 | zebalin7 | peterS: I've heard others complain about reiser breaking down, but it's always been solid for me. It is the default in Slackware (where I first started using it.) |
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| 05:37.21 | peterS | zebalin7: I've heard enough other anecdotes while hanging out on this channel that I know it's not just me for whom reiserfs has appeared flaky. people do lose data to it from time to time. |
| 05:38.20 | Azar | http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:38.25 | peterS | zebalin7: in part this is due to the reiserfs team's historical attitude toward the fsck tools: they figured fsck was unnecessary because of reiserfs journalling, so they didn't take it seriously enough to make it a good tool |
| 05:38.43 | zebalin7 | peterS: Well, I don't really stress it. I have good power, a good UPS, and don't have a million and one files. Still, the Slackware guys are not stupid... and if they default to reiser that's good 'nuff for me. :-) |
| 05:39.22 | peterS | zebalin7: what's unfortunate, perhaps, is that since reiserfs used to be so flaky, I haven't dared to try it for a long time. it could have improved 3 years ago with me never the wiser |
| 05:39.28 | JackieBrown | Azar: have you tried it? |
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| 05:39.44 | jshriver | good evening/morning |
| 05:39.52 | Azar | JackieBrown: hmmm is very tempting but I chickened |
| 05:39.58 | R0nin | i been using riserFS for the last 3 years |
| 05:40.00 | jshriver | anyone know of a quick way to convert all filename in a given directory to lowercase? |
| 05:40.08 | R0nin | no problems at all |
| 05:40.15 | peterS | jshriver: rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' * |
| 05:40.24 | Azar | JackieBrown: the issues is when processes get out of hand and start killing each other.. |
| 05:40.29 | jshriver | lol thanks let me try |
| 05:40.31 | R0nin | all of the problems seem to have been at the begining |
| 05:40.38 | zebalin7 | I've heard there are issues with reiserfs4 (which I think is still beta?) |
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| 05:40.59 | peterS | zebalin7: dunno, I've never had the inclination to try reiser4. I have filesystems that work. |
| 05:41.00 | R0nin | riser 4 is shit |
| 05:41.01 | Azar | the concept though is very appealing |
| 05:41.10 | myren | how do i search the dictionary for words ending in eng? |
| 05:41.35 | peterS | myren: grep eng$ /usr/share/dict/words |
| 05:41.45 | yos87_ | liable: but there is no side bar for users in irssi |
| 05:42.21 | IRCMonkey_ | Amarande: could i simply get the configure parameters which debian build system used? |
| 05:42.59 | jjazz | yos87_ /whois |
| 05:43.13 | jjazz | yos87_ or rather /who |
| 05:43.25 | jshriver | myren: grep "eng" dictionaryfile? hrm.. might not be specific enough |
| 05:43.32 | myren | peterS: I have a link in /usr/share/dict, but its cyclic to /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 05:43.34 | AndroFlux | One possible concern: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html (upshot: Use a UPS with Reiserfs/XFS) |
| 05:43.44 | Azar | Certain processes are vital to the computer's operation and should not be killed. For example, after I took the screenshot of myself being attacked by csh, csh was shot by friendly fire from behind, possibly by tcsh or xv, and my session was abruptly terminated. |
| 05:43.56 | myren | /etc/dictionaries-common/words is just a link back to /usr/share/dict/words |
| 05:44.07 | peterS | myren: shouldn't be, should be a link to /usr/share/dict/somethingelse |
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| 05:44.16 | myren | can you dpkg -L and see what package i should reinstall? |
| 05:44.37 | yos87_ | liable: is there a channel list in irssi |
| 05:44.48 | peterS | myren: I have /usr/share/dict/web2 in 'miscfiles' |
| 05:44.56 | Shai-tan | Azar: Looks nice |
| 05:44.56 | R0nin | Azar, I've heard very good things about XFS |
| 05:45.03 | Amarande | wait, you had both csh and tcsh running? |
| 05:45.11 | Amarande | I thought tcsh was csh compatible |
| 05:45.13 | JackieBrown | Azar: it does look intersting and a little scary |
| 05:45.20 | myren | i dont have anything in /usr/share/dict aside from the one symlink |
| 05:45.21 | Amarande | so you wouldn't need both :) |
| 05:45.47 | peterS | myren: I dunno, try installing or reinstalling 'miscfiles' |
| 05:46.08 | R0nin | Azar, Almost the speed of riser and as reliable as JFS |
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| 05:46.50 | Amarande | last night I had a system crash and had to hit reset |
| 05:46.59 | Amarande | if I had still been using ext2 I'd probably still be waiting for fsck :) |
| 05:47.02 | myren | k, thanks peterS |
| 05:47.18 | yos87_ | how to get channel list in irssi |
| 05:47.19 | R0nin | Amarande, I've had real problems with ext3 |
| 05:47.36 | Amarande | R0nin: at least it doesn't take a day to fsck 200GB like ext2 probably would |
| 05:47.45 | Amarande | like what sort of problems? |
| 05:47.50 | R0nin | that is where i've lost info |
| 05:48.15 | R0nin | it's ok, if it's shut down properly |
| 05:48.15 | Azar | I could read that they fixed some issues for example some processes are being protected and you "kill" them virtually but in fact they still sit untouched and do their thing |
| 05:48.39 | Amarande | speaking of killing processes |
| 05:48.44 | Amarande | at least linux HAS kill -9, too |
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| 05:48.53 | Amarande | there are so many times I wish Windows had kill -9 |
| 05:48.54 | Azar | For example, if a normal user, 'jschmoe', kills a 'pid monster' whose real process is owned by 'jdoe', nothing would happen to the underlying process on the machine because jschmoe doesn't have the rights to alter jdoe's processes. |
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| 05:49.12 | starfishy | 200GF fsck takes a day for you? is that on a 486? |
| 05:49.20 | Azar | so I guess as a tool for user only would be ok, not in root tho |
| 05:49.20 | Amarande | starfishy: IDE |
| 05:49.21 | starfishy | 200GB |
| 05:49.24 | Amarande | well |
| 05:49.30 | R0nin | lol |
| 05:49.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure how much it would actually take under ext2 |
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| 05:49.39 | Azar | hi R0nin :) |
| 05:49.48 | Amarande | but I remember drives taking way longer to fsck than was reasonable back then |
| 05:49.52 | R0nin | hi Azar |
| 05:49.55 | Azar | its been long I am waiting to see if PSDoom comes out ok |
| 05:49.56 | Amarande | I think I had a Pentium, actually |
| 05:50.04 | liable | yos87_: /list |
| 05:50.14 | Amarande | or maybe a K6-2 |
| 05:50.23 | starfishy | well, drives were slower back then, so were cpus |
| 05:50.30 | Azar | The 'pid monster' that jschmoe killed will be resurrected in psDooM during the next process check. The resurrection denotes that the process on the machine never really went away; its Doom representation was only temporarily stopped from moving around. |
| 05:50.36 | Azar | I am tempted to install it |
| 05:50.47 | Amarande | of course, that was with that horrid piece of utter crap PC Chips motherboard, too |
| 05:51.00 | Amarande | we're talking a mobo that made me reinstall Win98 sometimes due to a PS/2 mouse being connected/disconnected |
| 05:51.07 | Amarande | and barely ran acceptably in Linux |
| 05:51.22 | Amarande | sometimes it would lose the serial port and I'd have to rmmod/insmod the kernel module to fix it |
| 05:51.32 | zeeble | grr. there are moments i hate myself for having got a laptop with a shiny screen.. too much reglection from overhead lights |
| 05:51.46 | liable | yos87_: try /help it will give you some idea of what there is, also try irssi.org for some tips, and themes etc.. |
| 05:51.57 | R0nin | i rember those Amarande ;-) |
| 05:52.28 | R0nin | pc chips |
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| 05:56.50 | IRCMonkey_ | why binaries shipped with system is much smaller than the one i build from source? how are they configured in the debian build system? |
| 05:56.55 | yos87_ | liable: I should type only /list |
| 05:57.36 | yos87 | liable : I get |
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| 05:58.02 | liable | yos87: /list -YES |
| 05:58.07 | chealer_ | IRCMonkey_: how do you build them? |
| 05:58.32 | IRCMonkey_ | chealer_ : i downloaded the source distribution, and configure, and make |
| 05:58.35 | Azar | hahaha anyone heard of BFM? |
| 05:58.41 | Azar | this is sweet |
| 05:58.52 | Azar | Brutal File Manager |
| 05:59.17 | Azar | delete files by shooting at them |
| 05:59.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:59.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:01.08 | Azar | http://www.forchheimer.se/bfm/html/screenshots.html |
| 06:01.16 | Azar | this is sooo cool |
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| 06:01.29 | foo | Anyone in here experience with cgiproxy? |
| 06:01.34 | chealer_ | IRCMonkey_: try building them the Debian way (dpkg-buildpackage) |
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| 06:02.23 | e-doll | im back. I tried all i could to get my X server started. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. startx and startkde nothing is working. I have Debian (sarge) kernel 2.4.27 |
| 06:02.25 | dn4 | I just added 87 tracks to burn onto a cd and k3b crashed, what program can take 87 tracks? |
| 06:02.33 | e-doll | can someone help me please? |
| 06:02.38 | jmg | dn4: cdrecord |
| 06:02.52 | e-doll | yeah :-( |
| 06:03.31 | yos87_ | liable: do you know some good picture viewer work in debian |
| 06:03.32 | Azar | e-doll I suggest you reinstall, upgrade the kernel, learn about apt a bit, then you try installing X and such |
| 06:03.42 | yos87_ | liable: something like acesee |
| 06:03.44 | liable | e-doll: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 06:04.01 | zeeble | yos87_ feh. apt-get install feh |
| 06:04.17 | zeeble | or try pornview |
| 06:04.26 | foo | Anyone in here experience with cgiproxy? Hmm, having some issues. I have it in cgi-bin and I am getting this: Launching... /usr/lib/apache-ssl/gcache pid=24139" .. hmm, any ideas? |
| 06:04.34 | e-doll | thank you |
| 06:04.35 | liable | yos87_: not really. |
| 06:04.46 | yos87_ | liable: thank you |
| 06:05.05 | e-doll | can someone give me the link to install xorg :-/ i did a search for it and it says xorg is not installed and i don't have a browser |
| 06:05.13 | Azar | liable were you earlier here, when Gnea tried to help e-doll? |
| 06:05.30 | liable | Azar: i didnt pay any attention to it. |
| 06:05.35 | Azar | e-doll someone assumed you have a better kernel and you run etch |
| 06:05.55 | e-doll | im new, but i wasn't running etch |
| 06:06.03 | Azar | liable, e-doll is a total new to Debian and performed a stew out of his installation |
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| 06:06.22 | e-doll | her :-( |
| 06:06.47 | Azar | e-doll, you need a fresh install and a 2.6.8 kernel upgrade. Then you come here and we take it step by step with X, you do NOT need xorg in Sarge |
| 06:06.52 | liable | e-doll: so whats the output from that command? |
| 06:06.53 | e-doll | i had xfree86 but was talked into switching to xorg |
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| 06:07.04 | liable | e-doll: where did you get xorg? |
| 06:07.05 | e-doll | can not open display liable |
| 06:07.10 | e-doll | hey liable :-) |
| 06:07.18 | e-doll | its me worthy aka newbie2debian |
| 06:07.19 | liable | e-doll: type it into the console. |
| 06:07.38 | liable | ah, i remember you. |
| 06:08.06 | e-doll | what happened |
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| 06:08.36 | worthy | i got blown off the server or something |
| 06:09.04 | worthy | anyway, he had me do an apt-spy and it downloaded all these repositories for my sources.list and took out the ones i had just so that i could download xorg |
| 06:09.09 | worthy | that's how i got xorg |
| 06:09.25 | worthy | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 06:09.30 | liable | worthy: /j #flood |
| 06:09.36 | worthy | ok |
| 06:10.17 | IRCMonkey_ | chealer_: thanks. but dpkg_buildpackage dont work for me |
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| 06:11.06 | chealer_ | IRCMonkey_: dpkg-buildpackage was just a quick indication. check the APT HOWTO if you actually want to build Debian packages from sources |
| 06:11.08 | liable | worthy: you are running etch now.. |
| 06:11.34 | liable | worthy: unless you want a world of pain as a newb, re-install.. |
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| 06:12.19 | yos87_ | zeeble: done, I install feh |
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| 06:12.38 | yos87_ | zeeble: where can I find it |
| 06:12.42 | nxvl | hi |
| 06:12.46 | yos87_ | hi |
| 06:12.54 | nxvl | did someone know a text mode pdf viewer? |
| 06:13.04 | Guerin | nxvl: pdftotext |
| 06:13.09 | worthy | liable? |
| 06:13.15 | zeeble | yos87_ in a terminal, type feh /path/to/images/ |
| 06:13.16 | liable | worthy: yes |
| 06:13.20 | worthy | ok |
| 06:13.33 | worthy | how do i get my display back :-( |
| 06:13.35 | nxvl | Guerin: that convert pdf to text or is a pdf viewer? |
| 06:13.40 | zeeble | yos87_ if you want a graphical one, do apt-get install pornview |
| 06:14.08 | dn4 | how do I get all the files under /home/dna/files to burn to a cd under /dev/cdrom ? |
| 06:14.14 | dn4 | using cdrecord |
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| 06:14.51 | liable | worthy: i really dont think you want to use etch. back up your shit and re-install at least untill you get to know how shit works. |
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| 06:14.56 | worthy | i would like to go back to xfree86 |
| 06:14.58 | yos87_ | zeeble: I install the other one |
| 06:15.06 | yos87_ | zeebel: how to run it |
| 06:15.09 | worthy | how do i back it up? |
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| 06:15.42 | liable | worthy: you have a partition on there you can copy stuff to? |
| 06:15.42 | zeeble | yos87 told you. it works from the terminal.. |
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| 06:16.09 | worthy | i have a dual boot but i don't know if i can put files on my ntfs partition |
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| 06:16.25 | zeeble | dn4 http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/apps/cdrw.html <-- read up. |
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| 06:16.38 | Amarande | worthy: I know you can read NTFS partitions without trouble |
| 06:16.48 | worthy | yes |
| 06:16.51 | Amarande | but whether Linux's write support for them is ready for primetime yet I'm not sure |
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| 06:17.06 | Amarande | I know my Knoppix boot disc (2.6.12?) doesn't like to mount NTFS rw |
| 06:17.07 | liable | worthy: did you just install xorg or have done an upgrade since? |
| 06:17.21 | worthy | just installed |
| 06:17.23 | Guerin | nxvl: once it's text,you can view it. |
| 06:17.27 | Amarande | that's Knoppix, I know, but given that fs support is a kernel thing I'm assuming Debian will be the same with 2.6.12 |
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| 06:17.58 | liable | worthy: ok, edit your sources list back to stable. |
| 06:18.13 | worthy | good :-) give me those links please |
| 06:18.28 | liable | worthy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:18.44 | Amarande | btw, you might want to get used to xorg at some point |
| 06:18.51 | liable | worthy: open it with nano or vi or whatever you want to use. |
| 06:19.05 | worthy | liable pico |
| 06:19.11 | worthy | i know where the repositories are |
| 06:19.13 | Amarande | xfree86 is pretty much deprecated in debian, when etch is released it will be gone for good |
| 06:19.15 | glitchyone | Can anyone recommend a VNC viewer for linux/debian that is free/GNU Lic? |
| 06:19.17 | worthy | i need the stable links back in there |
| 06:19.23 | worthy | what were they? |
| 06:19.23 | nxvl | Guerin: yeah, but thats not what i want |
| 06:19.33 | liable | worthy: changinge testing to stable, thats it. |
| 06:19.44 | glitchyone | something that is apt-getable would be best |
| 06:19.55 | worthy | explain liable? |
| 06:19.59 | IRCMonkey_ | hi, anyone knows how to get configure parameters used by original debian binaries? |
| 06:20.04 | worthy | how do i get it back to stable |
| 06:20.14 | worthy | the repositories that i used to have in there are not there anymore liable |
| 06:20.15 | liable | worthy: in the sources list, change where it says testing to stable |
| 06:20.20 | Shai-tan | I have Xorg in stable |
| 06:20.28 | worthy | ok just change the word |
| 06:20.31 | Shai-tan | Stable/Sarge* |
| 06:20.31 | liable | yes |
| 06:20.34 | worthy | can i do taht from here? |
| 06:20.47 | chealer_ | IRCMonkey_: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:21.06 | chealer_ | glitchyone: Lic? |
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| 06:21.22 | BlackJudas | is /etc/resolv.conf still the desired method to handle name resolution? (I see a package available that seems to replace it) |
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| 06:21.47 | IRCMonkey_ | hi chealer_, i build packages from source , but found they are much bigger than the one shipped with the system, so i want to know what happened. |
| 06:21.49 | Shai-tan | if anyone cares to bother but you can have a LSB/Xorg/2.6.12 Debian StableSarge if you really want |
| 06:22.11 | Guerin | Shai-tan: this is not news. |
| 06:22.30 | Shai-tan | I do know that |
| 06:22.44 | Shai-tan | Its just DCC as a base is so much better |
| 06:22.51 | glitchyone | chealer_ Lic? what is that? |
| 06:23.13 | worthy | brb |
| 06:23.13 | chealer_ | IRCMonkey_: is it due to additional files being generated, or different sizes of those files? |
| 06:23.40 | chealer_ | glitchyone: you said "free/GNU Lic" |
| 06:24.21 | ddboy | chealer_: i mean the file size of the generated binary executable |
| 06:24.41 | glitchyone | chealer_ sorry yes I am looking for a VNC viewer for debian that is lic under GPL i ment |
| 06:24.44 | glitchyone | sorry |
| 06:24.55 | chealer_ | ddboy: try checking the Debian source package's debian/rules |
| 06:25.08 | chealer_ | glitchyone: oh, license, I see |
| 06:25.12 | jm_ | Debian packages come with a copyright notice for each package, why don't you take a look? |
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| 06:25.28 | chealer_ | glitchyone: do you use a certain desktop environment? |
| 06:25.30 | Znh | Hello |
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| 06:25.54 | fooz | man, can't overclock my Palm to 624MHz :( gets unstable |
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| 06:25.58 | fooz | oh well |
| 06:26.01 | Znh | I've got rid of that awefull xdm, but now there is some other thing automaticly starting at boot. how can I get rid of that as well? |
| 06:26.05 | fhffhqvb | !foozball |
| 06:26.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, foozball is we don't play that here |
| 06:26.16 | fooz | dork |
| 06:26.22 | fhffhqvb | zoof |
| 06:26.26 | glitchyone | chealer_ gnome currently |
| 06:26.45 | glitchyone | chealer_ but I am still playing and seeing what works for me |
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| 06:27.21 | chealer_ | glitchyone: I suppose tightvnc should be decent |
| 06:27.25 | ejofee | can i force gmplayer to display the frame number? |
| 06:27.27 | ejofee | (or not?) |
| 06:27.43 | Guerin | ejofee: don't use gmplayer, use mplayer in a console |
| 06:27.55 | ejofee | Guerin: and...? |
| 06:28.02 | jm_ | and RTFS |
| 06:28.12 | Guerin | ejofee: and ... look at the damn output, which is copious |
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| 06:28.16 | Amarande | anyway, time for me to go to sleep |
| 06:28.16 | ejofee | jm_: answering me? |
| 06:28.16 | worthy | im back liable |
| 06:28.20 | jm_ | ejofee: indeed |
| 06:28.23 | ejofee | Guerin: oh |
| 06:28.32 | ejofee | jm_: what's "s"? |
| 06:28.33 | worthy | i changed all the words that said testing to stable in sources.list |
| 06:28.35 | jm_ | ejofee: Screen |
| 06:28.38 | glitchyone | chealer_ Awesome looks like exactly what I need Thanks! |
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| 06:28.43 | ejofee | jm_ :)) |
| 06:28.44 | liable | worthy: apt-get update |
| 06:28.46 | worthy | but i want my old respoitories listed back in it |
| 06:28.51 | ejofee | Guerin, jm_: thanks |
| 06:28.55 | worthy | ok yes, i did apt-get update |
| 06:28.57 | nxvl | where can i try the new grafical installer? |
| 06:28.59 | liable | worthy: just wait untill we fix shit first |
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| 06:29.08 | worthy | ok |
| 06:29.17 | Guerin | nxvl: if you can't find them, you don't need them. |
| 06:29.19 | liable | worthy: unless you have upgraded, but we shall see.. |
| 06:29.23 | nxvl | i dowloaded the netinstaler iso some time ago, but it has no grafical instaler |
| 06:29.39 | worthy | i havn't upgraded since i switched to xorg |
| 06:29.50 | Guerin | nxvl: the gui installer is in development. Don't use it unless you're a developer. |
| 06:29.51 | nxvl | Guerin: no, i don't need them, but i want to try it, to look for bugs and report it |
| 06:30.00 | nxvl | oh ok ok |
| 06:30.05 | liable | worthy: apt-get remove xserver-xorg |
| 06:30.14 | nxvl | so there isn't yet a beta version of it |
| 06:30.20 | peterS | nxvl: apparently they are *hoping* to get g-i into etch debian-installer beta 2. this isn't certain yet. |
| 06:30.27 | Guerin | nxvl: what is this 'beta' of which you speak? |
| 06:30.40 | nxvl | mmm a beta release |
| 06:30.41 | worthy | ok brb |
| 06:30.43 | Guerin | debian doesn't have beta |
| 06:30.57 | nxvl | a development version released so that the comunity can try it |
| 06:31.04 | chealer_ | Guerin: d-i has betas though |
| 06:31.16 | jm_ | Guerin: d-i has beta releases |
| 06:31.18 | peterS | nxvl: if you don't speak an Indian language there might not be much point, though. the graphical installer doesn't particularly have any advantages, except ability to display difficult character sets |
| 06:31.21 | Guerin | chealer_: it has release candidates, don't it? |
| 06:31.38 | chealer_ | Guerin: yeah, after betas. but g-i is still alpha I think |
| 06:31.45 | jm_ | graphical installer |
| 06:31.46 | jm_ | Links to current images can be found in the Wiki. |
| 06:31.46 | Guerin | eh, they're called betas? Naff. |
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| 06:31.48 | peterS | Guerin: d-i beta 1 for etch is out already, they're planning a beta 2. the rest of debian doesn't do that, though |
| 06:31.49 | jm_ | there |
| 06:31.55 | worthy | ok liable im back |
| 06:31.55 | Shai-tan | Anaconda can be used if you want to make your own Debian/dist installer cd |
| 06:32.05 | nxvl | peterS: yos, i know, but if i try to make my friends install debian with text mode installer they will not use it |
| 06:32.06 | Guerin | eew, anaconda |
| 06:32.09 | peterS | eeek, the Great Lord is here |
| 06:32.09 | Shai-tan | lolz |
| 06:32.12 | Shai-tan | yes I know |
| 06:32.19 | Guerin | anaconda is the reason d-i was written from scratch |
| 06:32.20 | Shai-tan | but still if you want GUI |
| 06:32.40 | worthy | liable? |
| 06:32.52 | peterS | nxvl: get some new friends (: if someone's afraid to install something just because of a few text screens they shouldn't be installing stuff (: |
| 06:32.58 | liable | worthy: why do you keep leaving? |
| 06:32.58 | Guerin | worthy: he's not your personal flunkie |
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| 06:33.07 | Guerin | he's MY personal flunkie! |
| 06:33.11 | worthy | so that i can go to my shell |
| 06:33.18 | peterS | nxvl: it's not like it's *hard* to put a brick on your Enter key for the duration of the install and just watch the messages flash by |
| 06:33.19 | liable | hah, you wish! |
| 06:33.20 | worthy | im not good with BitchX eiter :-/ |
| 06:33.29 | worthy | he said he would help me fix it Guerin |
| 06:33.31 | liable | worthy: alt + F2 to get another |
| 06:33.35 | liable | shell |
| 06:33.58 | worthy | my function keys don't work for some reason |
| 06:34.03 | worthy | it's a micro innovations |
| 06:34.23 | liable | worthy: ok, whatever, now apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:34.32 | worthy | ok |
| 06:34.40 | jjazz | worthy: cntrl-z and fg? |
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| 06:36.03 | worthy | im back. i woldn't install it said i already have the newest version of xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:36.54 | liable | worthy: what happended when you removed xorg? did it actually remove anything? |
| 06:37.13 | worthy | it removed less then it installed |
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| 06:37.35 | worthy | let me see that again liable brb |
| 06:37.54 | liable | xorg should conflict with xfree.. |
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| 06:38.07 | peterS | gee, thanks |
| 06:38.18 | liable | hah |
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| 06:38.47 | worthy | im back liable |
| 06:38.58 | worthy | it said xserver-xorg was not installed |
| 06:39.06 | Guerin | wtf do you keep quitting? |
| 06:39.10 | peterS | chealer_: this is a No Trebuchet Zone |
| 06:39.25 | jjazz | Guerin: to drop to console |
| 06:39.29 | worthy | because i can't get another window Guerin |
| 06:39.39 | jjazz | worthy: cntrl-z and fg are your friends. |
| 06:39.41 | Guerin | man screen |
| 06:39.46 | Guerin | totally |
| 06:40.05 | chealer_ | peterS: hm what do you mean? |
| 06:40.06 | worthy | what is fg? |
| 06:40.11 | Znh | foreground? |
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| 06:40.32 | jjazz | worthy: hit cntrl-z to background the IRC process. Type fg at the CLI to foreground it. |
| 06:40.33 | peterS | chealer_: you're not allowed to use trebuchets in here, with which to, e.g., launch bricks |
| 06:40.37 | jm_ | don't use ctrl-z with IRC client, it will disconnect you anyway |
| 06:40.47 | jm_ | unless you're fairly quick, which I don't think you are |
| 06:40.53 | anonymous865 | hello,how do I upgrade from sarge to testing? |
| 06:41.01 | jjazz | worthy: ok, then as Guerin says, use screen. |
| 06:41.02 | Eclipser | jm_, or type bg immediately :p |
| 06:41.03 | worthy | oh ok |
| 06:41.05 | peterS | !sarge->etch |
| 06:41.08 | anonymous865 | ya |
| 06:41.11 | Malagmyr | chealer_: he means your brick-throwing-equipment is illegal and will be seized by the authorities when you enter this area |
| 06:41.19 | chealer_ | peterS: oh, I was trying at hand. sorry, I misremembered what was a trebuchet |
| 06:41.31 | worthy | let me try something |
| 06:41.43 | peterS | chealer_: it's one of those words all pseudo medieval scholars who are really just D&D addicts know |
| 06:41.52 | worthy | oops |
| 06:41.58 | anonymous865 | I just add testing to my sources.list and do a apt-get dist-update? |
| 06:41.59 | worthy | can you guys see that? |
| 06:41.59 | jjazz | peterS: What's the diff between a trebuchet and a catapault? |
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| 06:42.08 | peterS | jjazz: I'm not nearly D&D addict enough to know |
| 06:42.10 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 06:42.10 | anonymous865 | or dist-upgrade |
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| 06:42.22 | liable | worthy: did you just install xserver-xorg and nothing else? |
| 06:42.22 | ddboy | chealer_: thanks. the file size is smaller , but still much bigger than shipped one |
| 06:42.23 | worthy | liable? im back, panicy and scared |
| 06:42.23 | jjazz | anonymous865: do apt-get update before the dist-upgrade. |
| 06:42.33 | anonymous865 | that all I have to do? |
| 06:42.36 | Malagmyr | jjazz: upright-standing tossing machine. throws things a lot longer, generally |
| 06:42.38 | liable | worthy: good, dont mess with etch again. |
| 06:42.39 | worthy | no i uninstalled xserver-xorg |
| 06:42.46 | quik_ | if I'm logged onto a machine elsewhere, can I kill all the stuff from the other session in one command? |
| 06:42.46 | bucky | a trebuchet uses a counter balance and it's been on PBS for the past six months |
| 06:42.47 | jjazz | Malagmyr: which is which? |
| 06:42.48 | worthy | i want to get my xserver-xfree86 back |
| 06:42.52 | worthy | but it says it's installed |
| 06:42.57 | liable | worthy: when you installed it, was that all you installed? |
| 06:43.02 | Malagmyr | jjazz: the trebuchet works like a sling, i believe. |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | jjazz: catapult uses gears to create tension. Trebuchet uses a counterweight |
| 06:43.10 | worthy | yes liable |
| 06:43.35 | worthy | i installed x-window-system-core when i installed xserver-xorg |
| 06:43.39 | Malagmyr | jjazz: while the catapult works like you holding a potato on your spoon and bending and releasing it. see which can throw the potato the furthest :) |
| 06:43.46 | jjazz | Guerin: Malagmyr: Good to know. thanks. |
| 06:43.48 | worthy | go back and uninstall x-window-system-core? |
| 06:43.53 | liable | worthy: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:44.08 | Shai-tan | why in hell would you want xfree back? |
| 06:44.24 | worthy | do that in #flood liable? |
| 06:44.24 | peterS | dark one: why not? it works fine |
| 06:44.33 | liable | Shai-tan: unless you want to help him run etch and fix shit, thats why |
| 06:44.37 | liable | worthy: yeah |
| 06:44.39 | anonymous865 | xorg doesent work right on some graphics cards |
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| 06:44.41 | worthy | ok |
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| 06:45.02 | Shai-tan | why not use dcc-x11 ? |
| 06:45.18 | Shai-tan | how about the whole dcc as a base? |
| 06:45.22 | Guerin | anonymous865: it should work better than xfree |
| 06:45.22 | Shai-tan | Thats what I do |
| 06:45.22 | cheal | back from DSL skip. |
| 06:45.30 | cheal | Malagmyr: what do you have against my arm? |
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| 06:45.38 | anonymous865 | it doesent work correctly with my ati rage |
| 06:45.38 | peterS | what, DCCA actually released something? Amazing. |
| 06:45.41 | Guerin | Shai-tan: so, you're a ninja. Most people ain't. And some people are just lazy. |
| 06:45.43 | anonymous865 | no 3d acceleratipon |
| 06:45.44 | Shai-tan | just use the Sarge Dsektop enviroments on DCC's xorg |
| 06:45.55 | Shai-tan | its so easy though |
| 06:46.01 | Guerin | anonymous865: that's not xorg's fault, that's the fault of the binary driver eejits |
| 06:46.14 | anonymous865 | binary drivers? |
| 06:46.24 | anonymous865 | for a mac card? |
| 06:46.25 | Shai-tan | http://tranceunderground.co.nz/tusnix/dcc_debian.html wrote this today |
| 06:46.30 | anonymous865 | never heard of it |
| 06:46.48 | Guerin | anonymous865: i'm speaking in the general, not to any specific card you have that I don't. |
| 06:46.56 | Shai-tan | Ian Murdock is a great guy and the dcca is brilliant |
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| 06:47.08 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:47.25 | Guerin | yeah, Ian Murdock is great, but the DCCA? Wtf... |
| 06:47.59 | Shai-tan | Ian Murdock = Founder of Debian, founder of Progeny, Head of LSB and founder of the dcca |
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| 06:48.07 | peterS | yeah we know who he is |
| 06:48.15 | Shai-tan | yeah well that why |
| 06:48.17 | Guerin | Shai-tan: we know him, oddly |
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| 06:48.26 | Guerin | we actually do know something about debian, some of us |
| 06:48.31 | Shai-tan | the dcca is here to stop a deb package split |
| 06:48.33 | peterS | he hasn't been in #debian for quite awhile though, that I've seen |
| 06:48.37 | Shai-tan | like flamin rpm |
| 06:48.39 | Guerin | Shai-tan: so, one great leader makes a project great? |
| 06:49.02 | Shai-tan | The dcca is great |
| 06:49.02 | anonymous865 | gnight all |
| 06:49.21 | Shai-tan | componentized linux is becoming so much better too |
| 06:49.26 | peterS | the DCCA is great, except the part where you have to actually use unmodified binary packages in order for there to be any point to it |
| 06:49.27 | Guerin | Shai-tan: i'm running out of patience while you explain why. |
| 06:49.33 | Guerin | or don't explain why. |
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| 06:50.35 | Shai-tan | The dcca is great in the fact that it will bring Debian bases together. In the fact that it has so much brains behind it now to help debian in what it needs best |
| 06:50.56 | Shai-tan | Speeding up and updating debian is the most important thing that needs doing |
| 06:51.05 | Shai-tan | thats what the DCCA and its members is doing |
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| 06:51.16 | peterS | let it bring debian bases together, it doesn't sound as though it will actually affect Debian itself |
| 06:51.20 | Guerin | Shai-tan: but debian is already together. Debian already exists. |
| 06:51.43 | Shai-tan | creating a stable base to then start pouring effort into debian so that all packages from other debian based distros work together |
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| 06:52.16 | Shai-tan | That way we have a better community and everything will fit in |
| 06:52.18 | peterS | that's great for those companies who want to add value to debian. why we should particularly care about those companies is another question though |
| 06:52.41 | peterS | I mean, debian hasn't exactly gone quiet even though all these companies sprung up around it |
| 06:52.55 | streuner | http://www.dccalliance.org/faq.html |
| 06:53.08 | Guerin | right. I don't see how this benefits debian; I only see how it benefits BOD distributions |
| 06:53.10 | peterS | does that faq still mention debian? |
| 06:53.14 | Shai-tan | Lmao |
| 06:53.20 | Shai-tan | you guys just dont see it |
| 06:53.21 | Guerin | and most of those in the DCCA are commercial |
| 06:53.25 | streuner | peterS: i didn't read it now... |
| 06:53.35 | Guerin | peterS: hell yeah |
| 06:53.43 | peterS | ah yes, it still does. |
| 06:53.49 | Shai-tan | Imagine being able to install an package that Linspire updating on Debian? |
| 06:53.51 | peterS | and it *still* says "Assemble a 100 percent Debian core" |
| 06:53.57 | Shai-tan | updated* |
| 06:53.59 | peterS | *still* in violation of the Debian trademark |
| 06:54.02 | peterS | they've known about this for months |
| 06:54.21 | Guerin | Shai-tan: why? |
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| 06:54.39 | Guerin | Shai-tan: particularly since they're distributed in *RPM* for fuck's sakes |
| 06:54.47 | Guerin | according to the braindead LSB |
| 06:54.56 | peterS | In practice, it seems the only package updates anyone cares about are things like xorg from ubuntu. and, interestingly, ubuntu are not in the DCCA |
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| 06:55.02 | Shai-tan | Because the reason debian is so unpopular is because its not up to date and is slow on releases |
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| 06:55.15 | peterS | Shai-tan: huh? debian is unpopular? according to whom? |
| 06:55.20 | Shai-tan | Lmao |
| 06:55.22 | peterS | we're bursting at the seams, more like it |
| 06:55.37 | Shai-tan | What kernel is sarge running? |
| 06:55.44 | peterS | 2.6.8, why? |
| 06:55.45 | Shai-tan | When is etch to be released? |
| 06:55.50 | streuner | Guerin: well, one distro isn't there... |
| 06:55.51 | peterS | December 2006, why? |
| 06:56.02 | Guerin | Shai-tan: in the words of a great hip-hop group of the early 1990s: "Don't, do-don't, do-don't believe the hype." |
| 06:56.07 | Shai-tan | When is the next Suse going to be released? |
| 06:56.11 | k8to | hi, on etch, mozilla is using the most awful font when it hits japanese web pages (for roman characters). I'm really murky now ho i can try to figure out what font it's using, or ask it to use another one, or ask it to not "antialias" it so badly |
| 06:56.12 | Guerin | Shai-tan: who cares? |
| 06:56.12 | jetscreamer | clubies prefer lax security |
| 06:56.17 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 06:56.17 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:56.24 | Shai-tan | Exactly |
| 06:56.26 | peterS | Shai-tan: ummm, why? |
| 06:56.40 | peterS | Shai-tan: if you're going to troll about things-that-aren't-debian, please go away now |
| 06:56.42 | Shai-tan | and its that type of aditude where debian is so old an outdated |
| 06:56.43 | streuner | Shai-tan: why interesting in SuSE if you can use debian? ;-) |
| 06:56.49 | worthy | liable i'll brb |
| 06:57.05 | jetscreamer | Shai-tan: if it was so outdated why would so many distros be based on it? |
| 06:57.15 | jetscreamer | it's the source, puke |
| 06:57.17 | dondelelcaro | Shai-tan: if you don't have a Debian related question, kindly go elsewhere. |
| 06:57.26 | Guerin | Shai-tan: suse is bankrolled by a very wealthy corporation, and includes *far* less software than debian, and until recently wasn't even free software. So it's hardly a) comparing apples with apples or b) worth caring about |
| 06:57.27 | Shai-tan | "Lets let other distros steam ahead while we stay in the 2000's" |
| 06:57.46 | peterS | yes, we're in the 2000s. what else is new, dude? |
| 06:57.53 | streuner | dondelelcaro: we already spoke about DCC, true :-) |
| 06:58.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: maybe other distros have time travel devices? |
| 06:58.08 | k8to | Shai-tan: you're not talking about a problem that's unknown to anyone, so you're serving no purpose at all |
| 06:58.10 | peterS | yeah, dunno |
| 06:58.19 | jjazz | apt-get install flux-capacitor |
| 06:58.20 | peterS | caldera/sco is still in 1992, I suppose |
| 06:58.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get install ubuntu |
| 06:58.36 | Shai-tan | Am I trying to state that DCCA is a good thing for Debian and Debian based Distros |
| 06:58.39 | Guerin | k8to: grab a font which has good unicode CJK and latin support. I think unfont is decent |
| 06:58.52 | Shai-tan | I am* |
| 06:58.59 | streuner | Shai-tan: good |
| 06:59.01 | dondelelcaro | Shai-tan: that's great. The DCCA is totally off topic for #debian, and has nothing whatesoever to do with Debian. |
| 06:59.07 | peterS | Shai-tan: until they figure out how to work *with* debian rather than saying "we're debian, no really, honest, we're debian but we're also better", who cares |
| 06:59.09 | Shai-tan | LMAO!! |
| 06:59.11 | Guerin | Shai-tan: but you've not produced a single shred of evidence to support why it would be good for *debian*, only how it would be good for *not debian* |
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| 06:59.20 | k8to | Guerin: ... I do not think the problem is that I lack a workable font, but that at some point I either added a bad font (that something is defaulting to) |
| 06:59.33 | Guerin | k8to: then configure it to use a different font. |
| 06:59.35 | k8to | Guerin: or something got misconfigured to render the font badly |
| 06:59.41 | Shai-tan | Its this type of atitude on Debian behalf why people choose Ubuntu |
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| 06:59.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@203-109-236-49.bliink.ihug.co.nz] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:59.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:59.56 | peterS | Shai-tan: again, ubuntu isn't in DCCA. and it isn't any more on topic in this channel than DCCA is |
| 07:00.00 | k8to | Guerin: okay so, what i asked for was information on how to do that |
| 07:00.28 | streuner | Shai-tan: what atitude by the way? |
| 07:00.30 | Guerin | Shai-tan: the thing I think you don't get is that debian's relationship with other distros is not zero-sum.It's not in competition with them, even if they are in competition with it. |
| 07:00.31 | dondelelcaro | Shai-tan: feel free to let me know if you actually have a question that is marginally #debian related. Otherwise, have a nice day. |
| 07:00.35 | bucky | Shai-tan, people choose ubuntu because they want little gui dialogs to help them configure their distro |
| 07:00.47 | peterS | bucky,streuner: he got bannz0red, no need to keep talking to him |
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| 07:01.05 | streuner | peterS: i know, but he could /msg me... |
| 07:01.06 | w32 | hey peterS |
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| 07:01.25 | peterS | w32: you're back |
| 07:01.31 | w32 | yeah |
| 07:01.32 | streuner | peterS: iam still interesting which atitude he ment |
| 07:01.53 | peterS | streuner: apparently we won't admit that debian is going to die because sarge was released with 2.6.8 and etch won't be released until December |
| 07:01.57 | w32 | can i multihome dns on the same box w/ multihome dhcp |
| 07:02.08 | Guerin | Shai-tan: the 'debian doesn't need marketing' attitude which he percieves |
| 07:02.11 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:02.12 | Guerin | streuner: |
| 07:02.17 | Guerin | I guess |
| 07:02.17 | k8to | I'm aware that firefox somehow makes use of fontconfig and thusly freetype 2, via possibly some intermediate library (gtk?) and I've read about configuring freetype before, but I don't know what tools I can use to analyze a problem |
| 07:02.29 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:02.37 | w32 | on the same interfaces |
| 07:02.42 | streuner | Guerin: if thinks |
| 07:02.43 | Guerin | k8to: you're talking about the html displayed, or the gui widgets? |
| 07:03.03 | k8to | Guerin: the text in the page display |
| 07:03.06 | peterS | w32: the 'bind9' DNS server listens on all your interfaces by default, is that what you mean by multihoming? |
| 07:03.25 | k8to | Guerin: it's color-fringed as if it was incorrectly rendered for an LCD (i use an LCD) |
| 07:03.26 | peterS | w32: or does it need to give different results to each interface? that can be done with bind9 "views", but those are more complicated to set up |
| 07:03.33 | w32 | well let me 'splain |
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| 07:03.55 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | See dondelelcaro at SCALE in the Debian booth |
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| 07:04.08 | w32 | i am setting up the multihome dhcp to assign addresses to vlan segments |
| 07:04.21 | dondelelcaro | diff: ditch the kde 3.5 and apt secure, replace with thinly veiled scale add |
| 07:04.23 | dondelelcaro | s/add/ad/ |
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| 07:04.24 | Guerin | k8to: that's typical of cjk fonts' latin characters |
| 07:04.29 | Guerin | k8to: choose a different one |
| 07:04.58 | cycom | how difficult would it be to boot both a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel under debian? would I need to make a completely seperate install? |
| 07:05.01 | Guerin | k8to: edit > preferences > fonts > choose from the dropdown list and change per encoding |
| 07:05.02 | k8to | please provide information on how i can choose a font for firefox to display, or generically cause another font to be chosen |
| 07:05.08 | k8to | oh okay |
| 07:05.10 | w32 | so they'll get addresses I want certain hosts to be able to traverse their boundry between vlans using a layer 3 device |
| 07:05.21 | w32 | a router |
| 07:05.22 | Guerin | cycom: trivial. Just install two separate kernels and choose at boot time. |
| 07:05.41 | peterS | w32: right, DNS and routing have nothing to do with each other, but I suppose you knew that |
| 07:05.48 | w32 | right |
| 07:05.57 | cycom | Guerin: that's what I thought, but I figured I'd ask about gotchas. Thanks! |
| 07:06.14 | k8to | Guerin: somehow i didn't see it there. THANKS |
| 07:06.39 | Guerin | cycom: there *are* some gotchas if you have hardware which will only work with one or other, but in general things should go fine. |
| 07:06.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: scale is <reply> SCALE or Southern California Linux Expo is at the LAX Raddison Feb 10-11th, 2006. See http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ for more details |
| 07:06.39 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 07:07.04 | peterS | dondelelcaro: instead of 'see dondelelcaro at SCALE' you should have said 'see dondelelcaro to scale' |
| 07:07.13 | peterS | i.e., all 6 foot whatever of you |
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| 07:07.24 | dondelelcaro | or perhaps at 1:1 scale? |
| 07:07.26 | cycom | Guerin: I figured that. Like if I had hardware that only worked in 2.6 it won't work in 2.4 and such, right? |
| 07:07.29 | peterS | yeah |
| 07:07.32 | w32 | so could i edit the resolve.conf to reflect the names & ips on different subnets |
| 07:07.46 | btn | Anyone have Mathematica 5.2 running on deb? |
| 07:07.54 | streuner | dondelelcaro: why is DCC OT here? |
| 07:08.11 | peterS | w32: you can put all the names into your DNS server, so all clients can see them. some might not be able to *reach* them, but that's no big problem |
| 07:08.18 | w32 | and all would work well because as you said it listens on all interfaces |
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| 07:08.31 | peterS | streuner: same reason prodigy and mepis are OT |
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| 07:08.38 | peterS | it's the same people (: |
| 07:08.39 | Guerin | cycom: well, that stands to reason. |
| 07:08.41 | manparaneh | hi guys |
| 07:08.46 | dondelelcaro | streuner: because it's not Debian? |
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| 07:09.06 | cycom | Guerin: My ultimate goal is to make my shiny 2gb USB flash drive bootable on just about every i386 machine that moves. |
| 07:09.13 | manparaneh | I'm trying to compile the linux kernel 2.6.15.2 but getting this error |
| 07:09.15 | cycom | Guerin: er... x86 |
| 07:09.23 | Guerin | cycom: 2.6 on its own should do that |
| 07:09.23 | worthy | liable i tried to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it says that it's not installed. when i tried to apt-get xserver-xfree86 it says package could not be found. I need a link in my repository that will bring me that package |
| 07:09.24 | peterS | cycom: how many of your i386 machines move? mine tend to be pretty sedentary |
| 07:09.24 | manparaneh | rivers/scsi/ipr.c: In function `ipr_log_enhanced_array_error': |
| 07:09.24 | manparaneh | drivers/scsi/ipr.c:1150: parse error before `Current' |
| 07:09.38 | Guerin | there's not much which it won't run that 2.4 will. |
| 07:09.49 | liable | worthy: #flood |
| 07:09.51 | cycom | peterS: You need to buy some roller skates and rocket engines then. |
| 07:09.57 | manparaneh | does anybody know this erors? |
| 07:10.03 | worthy | ok |
| 07:10.06 | peterS | cycom: yeah, I didn't want to spend the money on those peripherals, I guses |
| 07:10.44 | cycom | peterS: Bah. I betcha the drivers are closed source anyhow. At least for the rocket engines. |
| 07:10.58 | peterS | cycom: anyway, there are thousands of i386 boxes out there whose bioses won't boot a USB drive at all, so I am guessing your quest will never be successful |
| 07:11.06 | Guerin | heh, point |
| 07:11.33 | peterS | cycom: if you go back to 1996 or so, you'll find boxes that won't even boot a CDROM |
| 07:11.35 | cycom | peterS: ah, but all the ones that I work with (which usually move, but only on carts) can! |
| 07:11.51 | peterS | ...and don't even *have* USB |
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| 07:12.28 | cycom | peterS: I have a Thinkpad something or other D that has a whopping 8mb of ram and 500mb hd. it won't boot off CD, has no USB, and the extenal floppy drive is busted. WOO! |
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| 07:12.57 | peterS | cycom: yeah, that's where you need what we call a rube goldberg install |
| 07:13.02 | cycom | peterS: my first memory is playing mixed up mother goose off 5.25" floppies. |
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| 07:13.49 | Guerin | still an easy install if you have a 2.5 > 3.5 drive adaptor |
| 07:13.54 | Guerin | or a spare laptop |
| 07:14.09 | peterS | Guerin: right, and another machine |
| 07:14.31 | Guerin | make a nice little redundant-power firewall if the battery still lives,, and it has pcmcia |
| 07:14.32 | peterS | Guerin: though one does have to be a bit careful about hardware detection and redetection. the initrd might or might not work on the other box, depending on how it was built |
| 07:15.02 | Guerin | peterS: hm, true. woody's install kernels would work, though |
| 07:15.15 | cycom | Guerin: it doesn't have ethernet. It has serial though! I was using it as a console. |
| 07:15.28 | Guerin | cycom: see above re pcmcia |
| 07:15.49 | peterS | Guerin: actually mkinitrd from initrd-tools is pretty generous about sticking every IDE driver in the initrd. hence it produces bloated initrds. yaird is more parsimonious and thus likely to break in this scenario, but it's not used by default yet |
| 07:16.23 | cycom | Guerin: but where's the fun in that? |
| 07:16.25 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:16.57 | Guerin | it's so funny that you can call a program which uses html::template for its config file 'parsimonious' |
| 07:17.13 | Guerin | cycom: fun doesn't always = pain |
| 07:17.31 | peterS | Guerin: well it produces a small initrd with only the needed modules, is what I mean. yes, the program itself is kind of a monster |
| 07:17.43 | cycom | Guerin: bah. I have enough machines that I can endure the screwing about. |
| 07:17.51 | peterS | cycom: and most of them move? |
| 07:18.05 | cycom | Guerin: I installed debain from 3 floppies onto a machine with a touchscreen! |
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| 07:18.24 | cycom | peterS: rockets and rollerskates. and a few catapults. |
| 07:18.32 | Guerin | cycom: that just *stinks* of media box controller to me |
| 07:18.35 | peterS | but no trebuchets, I hope. those aren't allowed here |
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| 07:18.49 | Guerin | that's the only good use I can think of for a touchscreen |
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| 07:19.13 | peterS | they're good for kiosk situations and store/restaurant POS |
| 07:19.36 | cycom | this is a bit more heavy duty |
| 07:19.41 | Guerin | eew, greasy screens |
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| 07:20.57 | cycom | It came from Pratt & Whitney. It cost them $8000. It sold NEW, as in STILL IN PROTECTIVE ANTISTATIC BAG NEW for $10 at their surplus store. |
| 07:21.24 | liable | pratt & whitney make computer stuff? |
| 07:21.33 | peterS | no, they *use* computer stuff |
| 07:21.35 | peterS | presumably |
| 07:21.39 | cycom | peterS: Bingo. |
| 07:21.50 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 07:22.34 | peterS | one does wonder why anyone would pay $8000 for a display device |
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| 07:23.00 | peterS | never mind how durable and industrial it's specced, surely it's cheaper to buy 5 of them for $1500 each and hope they don't *all* wear out |
| 07:23.26 | Garda | hey guys |
| 07:23.39 | Garda | got Debian GNU/Linux bible |
| 07:23.43 | jjazz | cycom: You got any more of those? |
| 07:23.43 | Guerin | peterS: especially when you have a storeroom you can put them all in |
| 07:23.45 | Garda | but for v2.2r2 |
| 07:24.00 | Garda | is it still mostly accurate and useful or not |
| 07:24.02 | peterS | Garda: many things haven't changed, some things have |
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| 07:24.20 | Garda | cool |
| 07:24.39 | peterS | Garda: 2.2 is potato, that was released ... 2001? anyway, learning the basics from potato would still be quite useful |
| 07:25.00 | cycom | peterS: it's a full computer. harddrive, mobo, processor, 1PCI slot, like 5 ISA slots, 512kb L2 cache (in a slot near the processor), on board ethernet, an rs232 port, an rs232/245 combo port (I think it's 245) and a custom LCD connection. the whole thing is about 6 inches, including the horizontally mounted ISA board. |
| 07:25.10 | liable | probably more comprehensive than later one anyway.. |
| 07:25.22 | cycom | jjazz: I wish. Pratt ordered a bunch though. |
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| 07:25.27 | peterS | cycom: oh, not just a touchscreen. I was wondering. |
| 07:25.39 | jjazz | cycom: damn |
| 07:26.07 | cycom | peterS: it's a hell of a lot more than a touchscreen. I wish to crap that it didn't have the funky LCD connector. It'd make my day. |
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| 07:26.53 | cycom | peterS: without the ISA board, the thing would be just over 3 inches thick. |
| 07:26.57 | peterS | cycom: rs232/245? do you mean rs422? |
| 07:27.08 | cycom | peterS: maybe it is 422. let me check |
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| 07:29.58 | yos87_ | someone know some picture software viewer and editor such acdsee |
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| 07:30.18 | bendee | yos87_: gimp |
| 07:30.35 | peterS | bendee: gimp is clunky if you mainly want to view pictures |
| 07:30.41 | peterS | bendee: it's fine for editing but it's no acdsee |
| 07:30.44 | cycom | peterS: you're right. it's 422. and 485. on top of 232. |
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| 07:31.01 | worthy | liable? |
| 07:31.06 | worthy | i can seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:31.13 | worthy | I got all my shit back! |
| 07:31.16 | worthy | thank youuu!! |
| 07:31.16 | peterS | yos87_: lots of viewers - popular ones are 'eog' and 'feh'. those don't do any image editing, the gimp is your best tool for that, though it's not much as a viewer |
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| 07:31.53 | jm_ | you can use display as a viewer and it can also do some image manipulations |
| 07:32.47 | Tuxcicles | yos87: feh is really fast! |
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| 07:33.08 | yos87_ | tuxcicles: I install feh, but I didn't find it |
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| 07:33.22 | yos87_ | tuxcicles: It does not appear in the graphic mode |
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| 07:35.31 | Tuxcicles | yos87: feh works in many ways, from a file manager or the command line like feh * |
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| 07:36.46 | dominicano | !seen dvm |
| 07:36.46 | dpkg | dvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 18h 9m 47s ago, saying: 'valdyn: So i wait that he has finished to buil the kernel again'. |
| 07:36.52 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 07:36.52 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8d 8h 13m 30s ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
| 07:36.56 | liable | worthy: cool |
| 07:37.01 | dominicano | hello all |
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| 07:38.11 | oskie | how can I find out whether package libtag0(-dev) is available stable,testing,unstable? |
| 07:38.30 | jm_ | oskie: pdo, dpkg the bot, ... |
| 07:38.57 | fhffhqvb | !do dominicano |
| 07:38.59 | worthy | reminds myself not to give liable a lap dance :-) |
| 07:39.00 | rey_ | has anybody else problems with the new 2.6.15 kernel and reiser partitions? |
| 07:39.05 | streuner | oskie: pdo.debian.net |
| 07:39.20 | oskie | thanks.. jm & streuner |
| 07:39.28 | peterS | oskie: btw, pdo.debian.net is an interim domain name, packagse.debian.org is the usual machine but it's down right now |
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| 07:39.38 | peterS | errr, packages.debian.org |
| 07:39.42 | rey_ | I get Operation not permitted when something tries to unlink/rename a file on a reiser partition |
| 07:39.57 | rey_ | but it _is_ mounted rw, and I can write to existing files |
| 07:40.09 | thisisjustatest | how do i disable password authenticatino in ssh using just keys |
| 07:40.22 | liable | worthy: why not? :( |
| 07:40.24 | Guerin | thisisjustatest: ,am sshd_config |
| 07:40.26 | dominicano | very funny |
| 07:40.28 | Guerin | beh |
| 07:40.28 | Guerin | man |
| 07:40.36 | Guerin | not ,am |
| 07:41.29 | thisisjustatest | what do we edit in the sshd_config file? |
| 07:41.44 | Guerin | thisisjustatest: edit the bit that the manpage tells you to edit |
| 07:41.45 | thisisjustatest | we tried a few things but it didnt work |
| 07:41.52 | jm_ | the right option |
| 07:42.16 | worthy | liable did you get my msg? |
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| 07:42.56 | thisisjustatest | the server gave the key to a connecting client |
| 07:43.05 | thisisjustatest | i want 2 disable that |
| 07:43.21 | jm_ | you can't disable that, it's part of SSH protocol |
| 07:43.35 | Guerin | thisisjustatest: that's the host key. You can't disable that in server config, only in client config. |
| 07:44.23 | liable | worthy: no, doesnt matter. |
| 07:44.33 | thisisjustatest | then how do authenticate using only keys and not passwords |
| 07:44.36 | rutski89 | how do i get a framebuffer console on debian? |
| 07:44.41 | Guerin | thisisjustatest: RTFM |
| 07:44.46 | Guerin | thisisjustatest: we aren't kidding. |
| 07:44.55 | worthy | i don't know how to message :-( |
| 07:45.43 | jm_ | it's more important to know how to massage, message is less useful |
| 07:45.58 | Guerin | massage is infinitely useful, however |
| 07:46.16 | Guerin | though probably not to most #debianites |
| 07:46.51 | liable | haha |
| 07:47.07 | yos87_ | tuxcicles: but it's not advaice like acdsee |
| 07:47.12 | jm_ | Guerin: one can now get 100Mbps connection here in limited places (i.e. where there is optical cable), but the price is > 4000EUR :) |
| 07:47.14 | yos87_ | tuxcicles: no statement |
| 07:47.37 | yos87_ | tuxcicles: like name size type resul |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | jm_: per month? |
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| 07:48.29 | Guerin | yos87_: the best image viewer I've found in debian is actually gqview |
| 07:48.45 | Guerin | feh is better than imagemagick, but still doesn't do stuff like preloading |
| 07:48.50 | worthy | well thanks again liable many smooches |
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| 07:49.50 | Tuxcicles | yos87: feh -w * |
| 07:49.55 | liable | smooches are one thing not often offered :) |
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| 07:50.27 | liable | well, on irc.. |
| 07:50.35 | jm_ | Guerin: I lied, that's for Gbps, 100Mbps is 400EUR |
| 07:50.36 | liable | i'll shut up now.. |
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| 07:50.39 | jm_ | Guerin: yes, per month |
| 07:50.56 | Guerin | jm_: that's still insanely high |
| 07:51.01 | jm_ | Guerin: indeed |
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| 07:51.11 | Guerin | jm_: but it's progress, I suppose. |
| 07:51.22 | Guerin | jm_: I have to give up my internet connection in 18 days |
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| 07:51.39 | Guerin | along with my job, house, and everything I can't fit in my pack |
| 07:51.52 | jm_ | Guerin: ohh I was wondering when you'll leave, my memory said somewhere arround end of feb/early march |
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| 07:52.16 | Guerin | jm_: http://rt2k6.feayn.org will have some content on it eventually |
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| 07:53.55 | peterS | Guerin: indeed, you did say February, didn't you? so that's still on track? |
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| 07:55.01 | Guerin | peterS: it can't not be - our visas expire on the 28th |
| 07:55.18 | peterS | ahh |
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| 07:55.59 | sanxiyn | I had some fun making this graph: |
| 07:55.59 | sanxiyn | http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/misc/perltree.png |
| 07:56.10 | yos87_ | guerin: but it still not advance |
| 07:56.22 | Guerin | yos87_: wtf is advance? |
| 07:56.31 | jm_ | it's not advanced ;) |
| 07:56.52 | sanxiyn | Part of Debian Perl dependency tree, stemming from six perl modules: template, io-stringy, algorithm-diff, compress-zlib, timedate, xml-parser. |
| 07:56.54 | yos87_ | guerin: you didn't tell me about wtf |
| 07:57.20 | Guerin | !tell yos87_ about wtf |
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| 07:57.47 | yos87_ | !tell yos87 about wtf |
| 07:57.51 | kmstevens | I tried Debian out for the first time recently, but the right edge of the screen is squished together. Does anyone know what could be causing this? |
| 07:58.06 | jm_ | usually wrong modeline |
| 07:58.27 | kmstevens | in xorg? |
| 07:58.36 | jm_ | if you're using that |
| 07:59.14 | peterS | sanxiyn: geez |
| 07:59.19 | kmstevens | hmm.. I tried copying the one I use in slackware, but that didn't fix anything.. is it still possible that it is the modeline? |
| 07:59.28 | yos87_ | guerin: what is the package name for wtf |
| 07:59.32 | sanxiyn | peterS: Want a Python version? :-) |
| 07:59.37 | peterS | sanxiyn: heh, not really |
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| 08:00.01 | peterS | sanxiyn: galeon wouldn't even render it, I guess it got confused by such a wide image. I had to download it and use feh |
| 08:00.02 | dna_ | is there a way websites can infect a debian machine with backdoor viruses? |
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| 08:00.15 | peterS | dna_: maybe. probably not though |
| 08:00.47 | peterS | dna_: linux systems, including debian systems, tend to be pretty resistant to that sort of thing. this is for several reasons. |
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| 08:02.40 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:02.40 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 08:02.40 | sanxiyn | peterS: Do you think there's anyone interested in adding package sections? |
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| 08:03.08 | peterS | sanxiyn: probably not. debtags is the future, sections are only of limited interest anymore |
| 08:03.43 | sanxiyn | peterS: It's still nice to get Perl/Python library packages grouped in apt frontends... Maybe they need debtags support anyway. |
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| 08:04.20 | peterS | sanxiyn: there are so many library packages that I can't imagine just browsing the section in aptitude. you *have* to use some sort of search function |
| 08:05.58 | sanxiyn | peterS: I was thinking about suggesting "Java" section... |
| 08:06.25 | yos87_ | what is the package name for wtf |
| 08:06.26 | sanxiyn | (Currently 119 Debian packages in my list.) |
| 08:06.26 | peterS | sanxiyn: you can propose it on the debian-policy list, maybe someone will think it's a good idea |
| 08:06.47 | sanxiyn | peterS: Okay. |
| 08:06.54 | rutski89 | What's the best guide to debian kernel compiling? |
| 08:07.32 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.01 | sep | rutski89, you must ofcouse have the kernel-package package installed first but you knew that rightl |
| 08:08.20 | rutski89 | sep, well... that's what i just read about 5 minutes ago, yet |
| 08:08.28 | rutski89 | rutski89, **yes |
| 08:08.39 | peterS | good resources on google://debian+kernel+compile+guide |
| 08:09.21 | sep | peterS, you realy have a google:// or was that just for ilustration :) |
| 08:09.32 | peterS | I don't really have google://, I just use that in conversation |
| 08:09.34 | rutski89 | lol |
| 08:10.02 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.03 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.38 | rutski89 | sep, is there anyway to simply add VESA VGA FrameBuffer support without doing a manual recompile? |
| 08:10.46 | sep | peterS, would be nice tho... could easily provide a clickable googlesearch.. without all the fuzzing about with http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=search_term&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 08:11.19 | peterS | sep: eh, I'd just paste keywords into my address bar. so long as there's at least one space in my URL, galeon treats it as a google search |
| 08:11.41 | peterS | sep: in fact if I want to search for a single word I just type a space before it |
| 08:11.49 | sep | peterS, yes but when you tell someone on irc to seach for something. not for your own use :) |
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| 08:12.09 | peterS | sep: well, google:// would have to be supported by all browsers. I'm not holding my breath. |
| 08:12.24 | rutski89 | is it taboo to ask about frambuffer consoles in #debian? people always seem to start ignorning me when i do :-( |
| 08:12.34 | sep | rutski89, compile it as a module. or use debian's precompiled ones. or something |
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| 08:13.18 | rutski89 | sep, that's just the thing, i have no idea how to compile it as a module, and i can't find it anywhere in my apt source's repos :-( |
| 08:14.30 | sep | rutski89, well it's hard to tell if you use manualy compiled kernels. in a debian precompiled kernel i just add vga=whatever in the bootloader |
| 08:15.27 | rutski89 | sep, oh, nice :-) I'm not on a custom compiled kernel, this is a fresh install acutally. So... where do I add that? I don't see /etc/grub, and locate grub.conf didn't show any results |
| 08:15.36 | tarzeau | rutski89: /boot/ |
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| 08:15.47 | sep | updatedb & ; locate grub, but it's in /boot |
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| 08:17.07 | nukeu666 | i need help mounting a nfs drive....i keep getting rpc mount time out |
| 08:17.44 | yos87_ | what is the package name for ftw |
| 08:18.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:18.06 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
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| 08:18.22 | yos87_ | !tell yos87 about ftw |
| 08:18.33 | rutski89 | sep, what's the syntax of the vag=whatever part? vag=1024x786@60? |
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| 08:18.51 | nukeu666 | yos87:fftw3 |
| 08:18.52 | rutski89 | sep, and uhh... does the vga= part go on the kernel line? |
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| 08:19.35 | nukeu666 | test...can anyone see this |
| 08:19.39 | sep | rutski89, that's what you have google for |
| 08:19.53 | sep | since you now know what to search for. |
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| 08:20.07 | rutski89 | epsilon, wah... i'm seeting things like vga=792... didn't expect that at all |
| 08:20.18 | jm_ | rutski89: read FB docs |
| 08:20.28 | rutski89 | jm_, yea |
| 08:20.38 | rutski89 | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Vga%3Dxxx :-) |
| 08:20.39 | peterS | rutski89: vga= doesn't use the same interface framebuffer drivers do, they're completely separate beasts |
| 08:21.10 | yos87_ | nukeu666: I install it, how to run it |
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| 08:21.58 | rutski89 | peterS, huh? I just added vga=792 to my menu.list and rebooted though; and now the resolution is way better; isn't that what a framebuffer console is? |
| 08:22.52 | peterS | rutski89: well, sort of. the result is achieved in a completely different manner from how the real frame buffer drivers do it. |
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| 08:23.08 | rutski89 | peterS, oh... so what i have now isn't a framebuffer? |
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| 08:23.22 | nukeu666 | yos87:try doing 'man fftw' for syntax |
| 08:23.54 | peterS | rutski89: the number 792 is passed to the VGA BIOS, not parsed directly by the driver |
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| 08:24.09 | nukeu666 | can someone tell me what my ip is shown as...im using bitchx and dunno keyboard commands |
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| 08:24.20 | rutski89 | peterS, hmm... i see; so in the mode i have now; could i get a background image on my console? |
| 08:24.30 | peterS | rutski89: the situation is a bit complex, but anyway, rest easy that what you have is a framebuffer of sorts, just more primitive than the ones specific to particular graphics chips |
| 08:24.48 | rutski89 | peterS, ahh, i see |
| 08:24.54 | peterS | rutski89: I don't know offhand what the capabilities are for the driver you're using that way. you can try |
| 08:25.21 | rutski89 | peterS, I don't really want too, i prefer to a black background, i was just wondering :-p |
| 08:26.04 | weissi | nukeu666: you mean 202.63.233.17 ? |
| 08:26.26 | nukeu666 | wessi thnx |
| 08:26.29 | litage | how does a media proxy help/solve NAT issues? |
| 08:26.47 | markybob | nukeu666: for next time... /exec /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 08:27.21 | rutski89 | what's the proper way to have an essid and wep key automatically set for my wireless nic upon boot? |
| 08:27.29 | nukeu666 | marky...that shows me my internal ip...i wanted the ip of proxy that was connecting outside |
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| 08:30.57 | narma | hello, is there a way ti use 'aptitude' instead of use 'apt-get build-dep' ? |
| 08:31.22 | narma | if I use 'apt-get build-dep' it will crash my aptitude dependences database no ? |
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| 08:31.51 | peterS | narma: unfortunately aptitude doesn't have an equivalent to apt-get build-dep |
| 08:32.08 | sanxiyn | peterS: Oh, didn't know that. |
| 08:32.16 | erhanugur | hi |
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| 08:32.30 | erhanugur | can i edit linux system files with (apache) mod_chroot using php |
| 08:32.34 | peterS | narma: you can still use apt-get build-dep and that works fine, it's just that those packages aren't going to be marked in any way as dependent on any sort of "build deps for this package" entity, to be removed all at once |
| 08:32.36 | yos87_ | how can I use windows network printer |
| 08:32.47 | knight | hey guys a quick question i pressed ctrl+alt+backspace and that took the os to terminal how do i restart kde??? |
| 08:32.59 | enkrypt | since a few days, my debian unstable x86 install won't upgrade anymore! I'm very sure that there are many upgraded packages, but still everytime apt-get reports 0 packages to upgrade... is this a known issue ? |
| 08:33.02 | tarzeau | knight: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 08:33.11 | tarzeau | knight: it only took X to the terminal |
| 08:33.15 | knight | kool thanks mate |
| 08:33.27 | tarzeau | knight: no problem KDE dude friend man! |
| 08:33.34 | narma | peterS, so I will write packages that 'apt-get build-dep' want to update/install , and use aptitude with this packages :) |
| 08:33.37 | narma | thanks |
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| 08:34.37 | usn | good morning |
| 08:34.39 | peterS | narma: I wrote a 'aptitude-build-dep' hack script that creates and installs a dummy package called 'packagename-build-deps' or something like that. I forget whether it still works. but you can try it, it's on http://p12n.org/hacks/ |
| 08:34.48 | knight | tarzeau> it saying that theres no such file of directory |
| 08:35.00 | peterS | narma: the point was to do exactly what you want to do here, use aptitude instead of apt-get for build-deps |
| 08:35.31 | erhanugur | >>>>> can i edit linux system files with mod_chroot using php |
| 08:35.55 | peterS | narma: I seem to remember that it's in a broken state at the moment. but I'm not certain. |
| 08:36.06 | yos87_ | how can I use a workgroup windows printer |
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| 08:36.29 | markybob | erhanugur: you dont want mod_chroot. you want this http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutorial-jenkins2.php |
| 08:36.52 | erhanugur | ok thanks |
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| 08:38.48 | deadcat | yos87_: no clue. i use ipp:// or http:// instead of samba |
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| 08:39.44 | knight | hey guys how can i make my screen 1024x768 i dont have the option in kde control |
| 08:39.54 | SerajewelKS | !drxx knight |
| 08:39.54 | dpkg | knight: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:40.11 | narma | thank you peterS :) |
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| 08:40.37 | narma | but I will do it manually if your script is in a broken state :) |
| 08:41.05 | peterS | narma: I can produce a working version, if the present one doesn't work. hold on |
| 08:41.12 | peterS | (I do keep this stuff in version control) |
| 08:41.19 | knight | dpkg> what do i put for vid cards bus identifier |
| 08:41.32 | peterS | knight: nothing, normally leave it blank |
| 08:41.42 | knight | kool what about memory |
| 08:41.56 | knight | leave blank also |
| 08:41.57 | w32 | Anyone have a minute to help with a dhcp problem ? |
| 08:42.05 | SerajewelKS | knight: dpkg is a bot |
| 08:42.11 | knight | o lol |
| 08:42.21 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 08:43.04 | knight | he answer questions good then lol |
| 08:43.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:43.04 | knight | bwahahahha then haah |
| 08:43.04 | markybob | knight: nothing |
| 08:43.04 | SerajewelKS | knight: 'cause i told him to answer it =) |
| 08:43.04 | knight | haha ok |
| 08:43.04 | peterS | narma: I just reverted the aptitude-build-dep in that directory to a version which I think works |
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| 08:43.32 | w32 | dhcp server fails to start after editing /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
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| 08:44.01 | peterS | w32: check /var/log/syslog or similar |
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| 08:44.23 | yos87_ | ! installing wtf |
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| 08:46.29 | brosioz | how could i known which module is using my ethernetcard ? |
| 08:46.48 | peterS | brosioz: type 'lspci | grep Ethernet' and it'll tell you what the chip is |
| 08:46.53 | peterS | brosioz: from that, I can tell you what the module is |
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| 08:47.04 | peterS | brosioz: there are other ways to make the correlation but that's the simplest (: |
| 08:47.21 | brosioz | thx |
| 08:47.25 | brosioz | it's 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 4362 (rev 19) |
| 08:47.30 | knight | hey what would i put for my monitors horizontal sync range (17" lcd want 1024 resolution) |
| 08:47.32 | brosioz | but with kernel 2.6.12 works |
| 08:47.45 | brosioz | and with the 2.6.15 with the same configuration not |
| 08:47.46 | brosioz | :\ |
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| 08:48.25 | peterS | brosioz: I don't see support for that chip in the 2.6.12 kernel anywhere |
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| 08:48.47 | brosioz | but it works :\ |
| 08:49.12 | knight | hey what would i put for my monitors horizontal sync range (17" lcd want 1024 resolution) |
| 08:49.22 | peterS | brosioz: well, a couple of other chips from Marvell are sk98 clones and use the sk98lin driver |
| 08:49.34 | brosioz | sk98lin yes |
| 08:49.34 | peterS | brosioz: those are gigabit chips, is yours? |
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| 08:49.40 | brosioz | yes |
| 08:49.48 | brosioz | i've nforce4 mb |
| 08:49.53 | brosioz | two giga cards |
| 08:50.05 | sanxiyn | broadcast: It's Marvell 88E8053 Gigabit Ethernet Controller. |
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| 08:50.12 | sanxiyn | (According to up-to-date pci.ids) |
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| 08:50.22 | w32 | No declartions eth1 no declarations eth2 |
| 08:50.26 | peterS | yeah, so it is |
| 08:50.42 | peterS | and yeah, it seems to be built onto a lot of motherboards |
| 08:50.46 | brosioz | ok |
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| 08:50.50 | w32 | but I did edit the dhcpd.conf |
| 08:50.52 | brosioz | there is the module |
| 08:50.55 | brosioz | :D |
| 08:50.55 | ocsi | hi |
| 08:51.09 | brosioz | but i don't known because hotplug |
| 08:51.17 | brosioz | doesn't load it at boot |
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| 08:51.43 | peterS | brosioz: you can load it manually by putting the module name in /etc/modules |
| 08:52.15 | ocsi | I've a software RAID1 array with 2 devices. 1 was cut off, and now it's reporting 'non fresh'. How can I get it to update from the working device? |
| 08:52.17 | brosioz | yes of course |
| 08:52.25 | brosioz | thx for help |
| 08:52.26 | brosioz | :D |
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| 08:53.39 | peterS | ocsi: you can add a second device to a running array using mdadm --add |
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| 08:55.01 | w32 | VNC SUX |
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| 08:56.47 | brosioz | but after the first time that i run make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image i need to do make clean evry time if i change something in kernel configuration ? |
| 08:59.11 | ocsi | peterS : thx |
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| 09:04.10 | Fleck | brosioz no you don't :) |
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| 09:07.27 | sanxiyn | Japan is reserving Plutonium. This sucks. |
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| 09:07.54 | deuterium | hi, i just set up a debian sarge/stable server. it has an ip according to ifconfig, but when i ping it, it doesn't respond. is there some kind of firewall enabled on debian stable by default? |
| 09:08.09 | deadcat | no |
| 09:08.10 | sanxiyn | It's amazing to see that Japan is rather pro-nuclear... |
| 09:08.12 | deadcat | your network might |
| 09:08.39 | deadcat | sanxiyn: they gonna blow themselves up one of these days |
| 09:09.24 | deuterium | deadcat: but i can connect to any box from the server |
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| 09:09.41 | deadcat | deuterium: ping doesnt use tcp or udp |
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| 09:11.18 | sanxiyn | deadcat: Of course, the official reason for reserving plutonium is to test fast breeder reactor, IMO, another fiction. |
| 09:11.37 | sanxiyn | Japan is the only country still pursuing that, I think. |
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| 09:11.45 | weissi | deuterium: are the network settings correct (correct networt, subnet-mask)? |
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| 09:11.55 | deadcat | sanxiyn: they might be planning one for the US (=.. hahah |
| 09:12.12 | deuterium | deadcat: but basically you say that i can be sure the problem is not related to a default firewall on the server |
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| 09:12.36 | deuterium | weissi: should be ok, at least i can reach the outside world from within the server ;) |
| 09:12.38 | deadcat | deuterium: no. debian dont have firewall enabled |
| 09:12.48 | weissi | deuterium: as deadcat said: debian has _NO_ default firewall installed (if you don't beleave it: `iptables -L`) |
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| 09:13.09 | deadcat | weissi: oh. so he doesnt believe? damn him then (= |
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| 09:13.29 | deadcat | deuterium: infidel!!! |
| 09:13.31 | deuterium | weissi, deadcat: okok ;) |
| 09:13.37 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 09:13.39 | weissi | deadcat: ;-) I just said "_IF_ you don't believe" ;-) |
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| 09:14.10 | omry|work | I am trying to install debian on hardware raid (two disks mirror). I created the mirror in the raid setup, but the debian setup tells me it doesn't see partitionable media. |
| 09:14.24 | weissi | deuterium: just tell us a bit about your network (how are they connected, ip range, ...) |
| 09:14.40 | fireba11 | omry|work: what exactly did you do ? |
| 09:14.51 | nukeu666 | i need help with nfs mounting...i keep getting rpc mount time out |
| 09:14.53 | weissi | omry|work: what raid controller? |
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| 09:15.08 | jm_ | nukeu666: read NFS howto |
| 09:15.13 | omry|work | fireba11, in the raid setup? created a mirrored set. |
| 09:15.13 | deuterium | weissi: address 192.168.1.6 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:15.20 | deuterium | weissi: iow: all fine, actually |
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| 09:15.49 | deuterium | weissi: but i try to ping it from another client now that isn't connected to wifi |
| 09:15.50 | weissi | deuterium: and the other machines (I assume 192.168.1.1-5) do not have firewall? |
| 09:15.58 | nukeu666 | jm_:ive read everything, googled for houes, thats why im here! |
| 09:16.04 | fireba11 | omry|work: you need to create partitions, set the raid option for those, then create raid with each pair of paritions and set it to mirroring .. you did it like that ? |
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| 09:16.17 | jm_ | nukeu666: actually you didn't, otherwise it would work |
| 09:16.33 | omry|work | weissi, SIL something, I can check exactly if you like. |
| 09:16.41 | deuterium | weissi: i have a firewall, but it only blocks requests from the internet and routes port 22 to 192.168.1.6 |
| 09:16.47 | omry|work | fireba11, no. I didn't do it like that. |
| 09:17.01 | fireba11 | omry|work: then try again :-) |
| 09:17.10 | weissi | deuterium: no, I mean the other machines IN your network |
| 09:17.13 | omry|work | fireba11, I though hardware raid supposed to be transparent to the OS. |
| 09:17.15 | omry|work | no? |
| 09:17.17 | deuterium | weissi: and currently, i'm in the intranet |
| 09:17.21 | weissi | deuterium: the ones you like to ping |
| 09:17.33 | nukeu666 | jm_:if all answers=rtfm, whats point of this channel...and ive followed everything given in the howto, all processes are started etc etc |
| 09:17.35 | fireba11 | omry|work: if it really is HARDWARE raid ... msot "raid controllers" are software |
| 09:17.38 | jm_ | omry|work: define hardware raid |
| 09:17.50 | weissi | omry|work: check if the controller is supported by linux |
| 09:17.58 | omry|work | jm_, well, its a pci card that has two sata connectors. |
| 09:18.05 | deuterium | weissi: none of the boxes is firewalled when i connect to them from within the intranet |
| 09:18.06 | omry|work | (at least two) |
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| 09:18.33 | jm_ | nukeu666: the point is that NFS howto has troubleshooting section |
| 09:18.35 | jm_ | omry|work: what kind? |
| 09:18.44 | toyblock | how to custom ubuntu livecd , the default user in starting gdm |
| 09:19.02 | weissi | deuterium: ok, but if I'm right, your problem is that you can't ping from e.g. 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.6 and vice versa? |
| 09:19.02 | fireba11 | omry|work: those usually need a driver for raid with windows .. no use doing that in linux, just use software raid it works fine .. real hardware raid is sort of rare these days ... |
| 09:19.02 | toyblock | he default user is ubuntu |
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| 09:19.30 | fireba11 | toyblock: please note that this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 09:19.31 | weissi | toyblock: read /TOPIC |
| 09:19.51 | predius_ | !tell toyblock about ubuntu |
| 09:19.57 | toyblock | thank you! |
| 09:20.26 | Diazepam | guys have just installed a CD burner and now system locks up after login - any suggestions. I have googled this one until the cows come home with nothing..... |
| 09:20.37 | deuterium | weissi: yes |
| 09:20.40 | omry|work | jm_, trying to figure out.. |
| 09:20.54 | fireba11 | Diazepam: with "installed" you mean pluged in the hardware ? |
| 09:21.35 | omry|work | fireba11, does it make sense to use sw raid of I have a hw raid card? |
| 09:21.36 | weissi | deuterium: and 192.168.1.2-5 are connected with wires and 192.168.1.6 is WLAN and the router(includes switch and WLAN-ap) is 192.168.1.1, correct |
| 09:21.43 | Diazepam | yeah had an existing system about 1 year old working fine - then added a CD Burner to one of the bays and now lockup city |
| 09:21.51 | jm_ | omry: I doubt you have what is called hardware RAID |
| 09:22.41 | fireba11 | omry|work: the point is most cards sold as "raid cards" don't have real hardware chip to do the syncing ... so it's up to the CPU anyway, so no difference to software raid from that point |
| 09:22.48 | jm_ | omry|work: but if you do, Linux would see it as a regualr device |
| 09:22.51 | deuterium | weissi: the client i used to ping from is connected via wifi.. i'm now starting another client which is connected by wire in order to make sure it isn't some strange wifi problem. |
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| 09:24.01 | deuterium | weissi: strange.. now it works.. even from another wifi client |
| 09:24.18 | weissi | deuterium: ok :-), even better, sounded strange *g* |
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| 09:24.32 | deuterium | weissi: must be some weird stuff on my current wifi client then |
| 09:24.57 | deuterium | weissi: need to investigate this later |
| 09:25.04 | deuterium | weissi: thanks for your help |
| 09:25.15 | deuterium | deadcat: thx to you too |
| 09:25.29 | fireba11 | omry|work see http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html for example |
| 09:25.32 | weissi | np |
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| 09:27.31 | weissi | ladylinux: I think #kde would be a better place for problems like that... |
| 09:27.40 | ladylinux | oh ok |
| 09:27.42 | ladylinux | thx |
| 09:27.42 | Diazepam | fireball: did you get a chance to see the above? |
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| 09:29.46 | peterS | w32: ha, that'd make a difference |
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| 09:30.15 | fireba11 | Diazepam: yes ... but you should use nick completion since you spelled my nick wrong ... |
| 09:30.22 | w32 | it'd help if I slept once in awhile |
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| 09:30.41 | fireba11 | Diazepam: i'll start with the simple things .. yuo checked drive jumper ? |
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| 09:31.50 | fireba11 | Diazepam: tried the drive in another box ? |
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| 09:32.40 | fireba11 | Diazepam: so it's working there ? |
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| 09:33.33 | fireba11 | hm .. anything else different on that box that might be the cause ? |
| 09:34.27 | aredhel | Diazepam, have you tried using the cable that you know works? |
| 09:34.45 | k31th | Guys i have set my default route on this box is there any way to test its working?? (not on network atm as im taking the server to a data centre) |
| 09:34.57 | weissi | Diazepam: I once had a fucked up ide controller on the mainboard, that caused random crashes (sometimes while booting, sometimes in use, sometimes when trying to burn something, ...) |
| 09:35.17 | fireba11 | k31th: of course ... but depends on where your default route points ... |
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| 09:35.19 | weissi | k31th: traceroute |
| 09:35.42 | narma | I can't download nor upload anything with firefox since my last upgrade (debian unstable) here is an strace output. Can someone help me ? strace output : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Wv3Djq29.html |
| 09:35.45 | k31th | well points to there gateway |
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| 09:36.09 | k31th | note "its not on the network yet" |
| 09:36.15 | resiak | narma: Have you checked the bts? |
| 09:36.17 | Diazepam | Thanks guys all good suggestions but i have explored all options mentioned |
| 09:36.30 | fireba11 | k31th: then you can just ping a box on the internet ? hard to test without being connected at all .. what would you test anyway ? |
| 09:36.34 | _eLMo_ | Can anyone tell me wich dpkg-reconfigure XXX I have to do to set a different time zone ? (my clock is off 1 hour, and I did run ntpdate) |
| 09:36.43 | k31th | that it works |
| 09:36.44 | weissi | k31th: try `traceroute 1.2.3.4` and look if the gateway appears in the list ;-) (supposing 1.2.3.4 is not in your subnet *g*) |
| 09:37.04 | k31th | weissi: no nothing |
| 09:37.14 | Diazepam | I think it has something to do with the kernel scsi verses IDE module or something along that line of thinking |
| 09:37.16 | dondelelcaro | Diazepam: it's locking up in what way? |
| 09:37.19 | fireba11 | k31th: yes, but how you want to test if it wirks without having it connected ? |
| 09:37.30 | resiak | _eLMo_: Run tzconfig |
| 09:37.32 | dondelelcaro | Diazepam: can you ssh into it or toggle the numlock? |
| 09:37.38 | _eLMo_ | resiak: thanks again.. :) |
| 09:37.39 | fireba11 | k31th: thats like burning a CD without a CD-RW drive plugged in |
| 09:37.53 | Diazepam | dondelecaro - hmmmm dont know |
| 09:37.55 | k31th | eventually it times out and shows my ip address |
| 09:38.12 | k31th | humm guess ill have to chance it |
| 09:38.17 | omry|work | jm_, fireba11, the damn raid wasn't plugged all the way in! must have pulled it a little when I installed the network card. |
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| 09:38.26 | fireba11 | omry|work: lol |
| 09:38.27 | weissi | fireba11: but if I'm right, `traceroute 1.2.3.4` should show the ip of the gateway in its trace, even if gateway is not connected to inet, no? |
| 09:38.35 | Diazepam | i cant access my KVM switch via the keyboard because it locks up so i guess i wouldnt be able to use numlock |
| 09:38.49 | k31th | even if the default route is f00bar but the ip and subnet is correct i should still be able to ssh in ? |
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| 09:38.51 | fireba11 | weissi: hm .. can't tell if it should show up ... |
| 09:38.58 | k31th | as there router should still point to my box ? |
| 09:39.00 | weissi | k31th: and `traceroute -n 1.2.3.4` |
| 09:39.04 | Diazepam | as KVM shortcuts are Numlock [1-4] |
| 09:39.15 | narma | resiak, how can I do it ? check the bts ? |
| 09:39.20 | dondelelcaro | Diazepam: your KVM switch should still work even then... |
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| 09:39.42 | k31th | weissi: shows 1 hop being My ip address |
| 09:39.50 | weissi | fireba11: but the origin box doesn't know anything about inet in any case, so it sends all packets which are out of the subnet to the gateway and hopes it does something good with them, I think... |
| 09:40.02 | wizzo | Could someone help with my laptop touchpad? I've just reinstalled Debian Testing and the mouse doesnt click when I tap the touchpad in X anymore. |
| 09:40.16 | omry|work | fireba11, :), I realized it when I wasn't able to access the raid setup.. :) |
| 09:40.24 | weissi | k31th: so, tell me what's your ip and what's the gateways if and send the output of `route -n` to #flood, please... |
| 09:40.27 | fireba11 | weissi: true .. but since that gateway doesn't exit it gives just timeouts ... so probably won't show at all ? |
| 09:40.33 | k31th | i dont need search in my resolv.conf either do i just nameserver 182.434.43.4 |
| 09:40.44 | weissi | k31th: the gateway is local, no? |
| 09:41.12 | k31th | umm yeah |
| 09:41.12 | weissi | fireba11: I think the gateway is local (router), otherwise, your obviously right! |
| 09:41.20 | resiak | !btssmite narma |
| 09:41.23 | weissi | fireba11: yep, its local |
| 09:41.38 | weissi | k31th: ok, then please send `route -n` to #flood... |
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| 09:42.14 | Diazepam | dondelelcaro:- yeah KVM will work if i use the physical button but the lockup also effects the keyboard so cant execute the shortcuts |
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| 09:42.54 | aliumalik | is there any way I can setup ssh to check the users key and authenticate only if they keys match? |
| 09:42.54 | omry|work | jm_, fireba11, debian setup sees the mirror set as two devices. does it make sense? |
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| 09:43.11 | fireba11 | omry|work: then it's no real hardware raid as suspected |
| 09:43.17 | jm_ | omry|work: I'd say you're using software raid |
| 09:43.44 | fireba11 | omry|work: just set in controller bios to 2 single HDs to prevent it from messing things up and set up software raid in d-i |
| 09:43.46 | weissi | aliumalik: you mean disabling passwd-authetication? |
| 09:44.29 | omry|work | fireba11, maybe, if I am convinced its not a hw raid. I`ll look for some info about it... |
| 09:44.45 | aliumalik | weissi, yes and the server should check the client for the key before allowing it to login |
| 09:44.59 | fireba11 | omry|work: there is a list somewhere, but can't find my bookmark right now |
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| 09:45.08 | Diazepam | can you edit the mtab file directly? |
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| 09:45.16 | Diazepam | or is it a no go zone? |
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| 09:45.42 | Knight_Lord | Diazepam you can but i woldn't do it |
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| 09:45.53 | weissi | aliumalik: that's clear ;-) and yes it's possible (wait a sec..., please) |
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| 09:46.04 | Diazepam | Knight - thought so - |
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| 09:46.33 | Knight_Lord | Diazepam but that's the problem? |
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| 09:46.45 | omry|work | fireba11, its some Silicon Image chip. but I know its not the onboard one (like the one that comes with nforce mobos). |
| 09:47.00 | jm_ | omry|work: SATA? |
| 09:47.12 | omry|work | jm_, yes. |
| 09:47.23 | jm_ | omry|work: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html as fireba11 said |
| 09:47.41 | omry|work | jm_, thanks. |
| 09:47.44 | weissi | aliumalik: change PasswordAuthentication to no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 09:47.44 | jm_ | I think dmarid is your only option |
| 09:47.58 | weissi | k31th: ? |
| 09:48.00 | k31th | Oh damn, how do i dissable dhcp ? |
| 09:48.07 | k31th | weissi: i cant paste |
| 09:48.15 | k31th | that box has no access to any network atm |
| 09:48.17 | fireba11 | k31th /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:48.59 | k31th | fireba11: do i comment out "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 09:49.01 | weissi | k31th: ahh, temporarily: "ifconfig eth0 <ip address>" |
| 09:49.21 | k31th | weissi: i dont want it temp |
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| 09:49.32 | weissi | k31th: "auto eth0" means that eth0 should be set up automaticly on system boot |
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| 09:50.12 | k31th | humm well i commented out the dhcp line |
| 09:50.17 | weissi | k31th: then you have to change "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to "iface eth0 inet static"\n"address <address>"\n"netmask 255.255.255.0"\n"gateway <gateway-adress" |
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| 09:50.56 | weissi | k31th: no, if you comment it out, you won't have eth0 anymore ;-) |
| 09:50.58 | aliumalik | weissi, I have already done that...no effect :S |
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| 09:51.24 | weissi | aliumalik: did you restart networking after editing the file? (/etc/init.d/networking restart) |
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| 09:51.54 | jm_ | aliumalik was asking about ssh |
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| 09:52.12 | weissi | aliumalik: sorry ;-) |
| 09:52.12 | aliumalik | weissi, shoot I didnt but I am logged in through ssh right now...this would disconnect me right? and I need the ~/.ssh/id_rsa file to login right? |
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| 09:52.18 | weissi | k31th: did you restart networking after editing the file? (/etc/init.d/networking restart) |
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| 09:52.44 | weissi | aliumalik: sorry! DON'T DO IT, that was the reply for "k31th"! |
| 09:52.49 | aliumalik | heh...so it was ssh restart...yes I did that to no avail |
| 09:52.52 | aliumalik | yup I got it |
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| 09:53.49 | weissi | aliumalik: you need ~/.ssh/id_rsa _AND_ on the server-side ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (or you make it automaticly with ssh-copy-id from the client-side) |
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| 09:54.40 | aliumalik | weissi, would this work? http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/putty-openssh.html |
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| 09:55.46 | weissi | aliumalik: yep, looks good! |
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| 09:56.19 | weissi | aliumalik: but try it out before disbling passwd-authentication, or at least leave one or 2 sessions (logged in) open! |
| 09:56.41 | Woosta | I've installed iptables from apt .. but it doesn't seem to install a policy file .. or am I just blind? Anyone know? |
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| 09:57.25 | k31th | weissi: do i need the double " round every thing ? |
| 09:57.45 | weissi | k31th: no, you can't even use them |
| 09:58.18 | weissi | k31th: come to #flood, I will paste you a good /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 09:58.26 | Woosta | Mmmm .. there's an oldinitdscript included that says: A: (Did I mention "do not use it" already? Oh well.) |
| 09:58.47 | Woosta | So I guess I should be using something else .. but what :) |
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| 09:59.09 | k31th | weissi: ok |
| 09:59.13 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 09:59.35 | omry|work | jm_, what does it mean, software raid provided by the bios on the card? |
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| 10:00.11 | Woosta | Wow .. K-lined? |
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| 10:00.57 | niklaus | how to disable normal users from binding to sockets or creating listening sockets ? |
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| 10:01.45 | weissi | niklaus: I think you can't and probably you don't want it. |
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| 10:02.06 | fireba11 | omry|work: the cards bios got a list what raid is set up there .. the card doesnt actually do the work, it just keeps a list so the OS will notice .. since linux is ignoring bios lists for drives usually it's not working liek that ... |
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| 10:03.03 | omry|work | fireba11, gotcha. so what's the correct way to do sw mirror? |
| 10:03.16 | omry|work | I`d like the mirror to be lower than the partition table. |
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| 10:03.38 | soup | whats the command to check all packages for a file? |
| 10:03.39 | weissi | k31th: did you get everything from #flood ? |
| 10:03.58 | fireba11 | omry|work: like i said bevore .. set partitions on both HDs, set them to raid and then create the raid for each set pf partitions |
| 10:03.59 | weissi | soup: dpkg --search <file> |
| 10:04.03 | k31th | weissi: im talking to you there.. |
| 10:04.05 | soup | weissi: ty |
| 10:04.06 | k31th | or trying to |
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| 10:04.55 | weissi | k31th: ok, so you replaced my 192.168.1.1 by your address and appended the gateway line, did the tabs where I did them and did `/etc/init.d/networking restart` ? |
| 10:05.12 | omry|work | fireba11, you mean create a partition on each disk, with 'raid' parition type? (without a file system) ? |
| 10:06.03 | fireba11 | omry|work: yes .. that creates a special type of partition there .. |
| 10:06.39 | omry|work | fireba11, ok.. trying. |
| 10:07.50 | fireba11 | omry|work: you need to do that for every partition you have .. so you need to create 3 partitions on each Hd if you want 3 mirrored partitions in the end |
| 10:08.15 | sep | am i stupid or something why can't i get minicom to work. cat /dev/ttyS0 shows info from the serial port but i never get minicom to show anything ! |
| 10:09.49 | jm_ | sep: what is on the other end? |
| 10:10.01 | sep | jm_, a manageable switch |
| 10:10.16 | jm_ | sep: did you set the options properly? |
| 10:10.17 | sep | i set it to 9600N1 as the manual say. |
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| 10:11.14 | nt | bonjour |
| 10:11.25 | nt | hello |
| 10:11.32 | nt | is someone here |
| 10:11.42 | nt | i've got a question: |
| 10:12.14 | nt | i'm a beginner and i'm triing to sed the output of this commande to a variable |
| 10:12.15 | omry|work | fireba11, I see. its not possible to create two raid partitions, and then partition the mirrored (combined) raid independently? |
| 10:12.25 | nt | 'blablampet' | sed -n '/mpe/ p' |
| 10:12.28 | fireba11 | omry|work: correct |
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| 10:12.56 | SerajewelKS | nt: variable=$(command) |
| 10:13.05 | weissi | nt: TMP_VAR="$(my_command)" |
| 10:13.14 | sep | i set /ttyS0 in configure minicom do i need a restart afterwards or should it take effect imidiatly |
| 10:13.14 | nt | thx |
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| 10:13.52 | jm_ | sep: how about the handshake options? |
| 10:14.17 | sep | jm_, it should atltest show garbage. |
| 10:14.27 | omry|work | fireba11, actually I think I managed to do it. |
| 10:15.27 | fireba11 | omry|work: please note that you need to setup grub for the 2nd HD manually if you want to be able to boot it without delay if HD1 is dead |
| 10:16.50 | aliumalik | if I add a user using useradd is the home directory created automatically or do I have to do it as root? |
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| 10:17.07 | omry|work | created a primary partition as a raid volume on SCSI3 and SCSI4 devices, then I got a new device, RAID1, and I created paritions in it normally. |
| 10:17.21 | fireba11 | aliumalik: its created automagically if you don't set --no-create-home |
| 10:17.41 | sep | jm_, each time i start minicom it goes back to ttyS1 even if i start it with ttyS0 on the commandline it's no good . |
| 10:17.54 | aliumalik | fireba11, I did user add <username> and then passwd <username> but doesnt seem to be created :S |
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| 10:18.17 | Phated | sep: change the settings from within minicom, then. |
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| 10:18.33 | fireba11 | aliumalik: you were root when doing that ? |
| 10:18.42 | aliumalik | fireba11, yes |
| 10:18.44 | weissi | aliumalik: try adduser instead of useradd |
| 10:18.47 | sep | i did that too but it seams not to take effect. |
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| 10:19.05 | dr1v3r | guys i am trying to setup phpbb2 to be used from a user account, only one user account does this mean i have to setup the second board alais or is there anyway? |
| 10:19.38 | jm_ | sep: tried saving config as default? |
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| 10:19.49 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: err .. what ? |
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| 10:20.10 | dr1v3r | ok i have phpbb2 |
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| 10:20.30 | sep | yes but i guess i need to to it from the chroot and not from this diskless terminal since it's readonly |
| 10:20.42 | dr1v3r | i want to run it from a users account |
| 10:20.57 | dr1v3r | but from only one users account not all of them |
| 10:21.13 | dr1v3r | does this mean i have to setup the second board alais or is there anyway? |
| 10:21.24 | dr1v3r | *another way |
| 10:21.39 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: what means "run it from a users account" ? |
| 10:21.57 | sep | yay worked. even tho i imagined i should be abe to change it on the fly without restarting minicom.. i guess i can't |
| 10:22.00 | dr1v3r | well the same thing that run means on anything else |
| 10:22.08 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: phpbb2 is a php application running from apache .. ? |
| 10:22.09 | dr1v3r | run = use |
| 10:22.23 | dr1v3r | yes |
| 10:22.31 | dr1v3r | its forums |
| 10:22.33 | omry|work | fireba11, well, it doesn't work actually. can't create the file system there for some reason. |
| 10:22.39 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: how can you run it as a certain user ? except from the user apache runs as |
| 10:22.44 | jm_ | sep: I think not, not sure |
| 10:23.00 | jm_ | sep: I remember I had to do the same for my initrd image I use to manage my firewall quickly |
| 10:23.08 | dr1v3r | it doesnt matter you dont understand what i mean |
| 10:23.36 | dr1v3r | there is an option within phpbb2 to allow other users to use it instead of having to install it themselves |
| 10:23.40 | weissi | fireba11: mod suExec ? |
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| 10:30.44 | imodiris | hello |
| 10:30.46 | aliumalik | is there any way I can restore the original conf files of a package? |
| 10:30.58 | imodiris | excuse me in #horde they they i've a problem with my debian |
| 10:31.01 | imodiris | because |
| 10:31.24 | imodiris | [11:16:07] <imodiris> only error message is |
| 10:31.25 | imodiris | [11:16:09] <imodiris> hermes:~# strings /bin/tar | grep Memory |
| 10:31.25 | imodiris | [11:16:09] <imodiris> -bash: strings: command not found |
| 10:31.25 | imodiris | [11:17:54] <tuxick> ok, so your system doesn't have proper locales |
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| 10:31.38 | jm_ | aliumalik: yes |
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| 10:31.45 | imodiris | oups kicked |
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| 10:31.56 | imodiris | i redo |
| 10:31.57 | [Lv]archeens | Join New MMORPG Online Game http://www.afelhem.com ... Join forum .. and fill out beta ! |
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| 10:32.02 | imodiris | hermes:~# strings /bin/tar | grep Memory |
| 10:32.07 | jm_ | lmod;stop |
| 10:32.09 | Shadowcat | imodiris: DON'T paste in here |
| 10:32.13 | Shadowcat | end of story |
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| 10:32.26 | aliumalik | jm_, how can I do that? |
| 10:32.27 | imodiris | either 3 line line by line? |
| 10:32.34 | Shadowcat | imodiris: don't paste period |
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| 10:33.10 | imodiris | -bash: strings: command not found |
| 10:33.23 | imodiris | <tuxick> ok, so your system doesn't have proper locales |
| 10:33.31 | imodiris | how can i resolve that |
| 10:33.31 | Shadowcat | !tell imodiris about paste |
| 10:33.45 | jm_ | aliumalik: did you delete the files? |
| 10:33.53 | imodiris | you say not period i don't paste hour (sorry i'm french) |
| 10:34.21 | aliumalik | jm_, no I didted them but I need them back now |
| 10:34.25 | aliumalik | *edited |
| 10:34.33 | fireba11 | !fr |
| 10:34.34 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 10:34.54 | jm_ | aliumalik: reinstall the package and it should ask you if you want them overwritten |
| 10:36.10 | omry|work | fireba11, I am trying what you suggested. created 3 raid partitions on each disk (same sizes). when I try to create a mirror set, the setup only sees two raid devices. |
| 10:36.17 | omry|work | (instead of 6) |
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| 10:36.42 | fireba11 | omry|work: you checked if you did set all to raid ? |
| 10:37.05 | omry|work | fireba11, all are raid. |
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| 10:37.32 | fireba11 | omry|work: so you created one raid and don't see partitions for the next one ? |
| 10:37.34 | weissi | k31th: hi |
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| 10:38.45 | fireba11 | omry|work: am a bit confused since that worked fine the last 3 times for me :-) |
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| 10:39.32 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 10:39.37 | quik_ | I'm doing a new install.. |
| 10:39.54 | quik_ | and I get an erro saying the debootstrap program exited with an error |
| 10:40.02 | omry|work | no. I created 3 raid partitions on each disk. when I go to 'configure sw raid', delete whatever is already there, and try to create a new raid1 (mirror) set, it let me pick from the two drives, it ignores the partitions I created. |
| 10:40.25 | soup | whats the replacement for nslookup? |
| 10:40.53 | Shorty` | host |
| 10:41.06 | fireba11 | omry|work: hm .. try to find a how-to since i got no box where i can look up the exact steps right now |
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| 10:47.26 | quik_ | why will the 2.6 kernel not install properly? it keeps quitting mid install.. |
| 10:47.52 | petemc | quik_: how is anyone supposed to answer that? |
| 10:48.03 | quik_ | I just wanted someone to bite on it |
| 10:48.18 | petemc | ... |
| 10:48.21 | quik_ | what more would you need to know anyway? I got a netinstall cd last night.. |
| 10:48.33 | quik_ | when installing the basesystem it errors |
| 10:50.24 | quik_ | whats the major difference between the 2.6.8-2-386 and 2.4.27-2-386 kernels? |
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| 10:50.31 | weissi | quik_: be a bit more precise, please... |
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| 10:51.41 | weissi | quik_: 2.6 is newer (more up2date, more drivers, better usb/sata/... support) |
| 10:52.43 | soup | maybe a bit quicker with the prempt support enabled for a desktop |
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| 10:52.50 | quik_ | after I select the kernel (2.6) while installing it says that Subprocesss /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:53.39 | weissi | quik_: change virtual consoles [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[F2],[F3],[F4] somewhere there's more precise error output |
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| 10:53.55 | quik_ | that was the more precise error output |
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| 10:54.42 | fireba11 | would a SMP kernel work with a regular songle-core CPU ? or will it crash ? |
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| 10:54.53 | weissi | quik_: you read the whole screen? not more on the error? |
| 10:54.58 | weissi | fireba11: it will work |
| 10:55.10 | fireba11 | weissi: thanks |
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| 10:59.24 | quik_ | weissi: device /dev/hdi1 is not a block device |
| 10:59.31 | quik_ | then some more errors after that |
| 11:00.11 | overnout | quik_: are sure that you have that device |
| 11:00.12 | weissi | quik_: hdi ??? (sure about the 'i') ? |
| 11:00.28 | quik_ | hdi1 |
| 11:00.55 | weissi | quik_: how did you do THAT ? ;-) |
| 11:00.59 | quik_ | whats hdi vs hda? |
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| 11:01.35 | weissi | quik_: hda is primary master, hdi would be the fifth! ide-controller |
| 11:01.47 | quik_ | oh |
| 11:01.47 | overnout | the hd=harddisk and it starts usually from a goes to b,c,d,e, ... |
| 11:02.04 | chunfy | hi |
| 11:02.11 | quik_ | why would it really better which I was trying to install to? |
| 11:02.34 | weissi | quik_: so if all the 5 ide-controllers would be used completely it would be the 9th ide deivce |
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| 11:02.59 | overnout | probably the ide controllers arent installed properly ? |
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| 11:03.05 | quik_ | yeah it says IDE9 |
| 11:03.22 | quik_ | I have IDE1, 5 and 9 |
| 11:03.46 | quik_ | but I also know that I have a sata drive in there, an ide, an ide on a controller card? 2 cd drives, zip drive etc etc |
| 11:04.00 | weissi | quik_: wow, and how many ide-controllers do you have in reality? (on a mainboard you usually find 2) |
| 11:04.16 | quik_ | 6 , maybe 8 |
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| 11:04.46 | overnout | wow nice machine |
| 11:05.02 | weissi | quik_: so 2 on the mob, 2 on the controller card and 2 on sata makes 6, so that could be true! |
| 11:05.13 | quik_ | yeah 6 |
| 11:05.16 | weissi | quik_: where do you want to install the system? |
| 11:05.25 | quik_ | onto the hdi :P |
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| 11:05.46 | overnout | hmm perhaps youll have to create the device manualy |
| 11:06.03 | quik_ | sounds hard already |
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| 11:06.26 | weissi | quik_: yep, I don't think d-i has created /dev/hdi for you. create it manually |
| 11:06.29 | overnout | there is a MEKEDEV script i think if you dont have devfs running |
| 11:06.33 | Diazepam | guys when installing a CD Buriner do you need to load the ide-scsi module? |
| 11:06.35 | overnout | MAKEDEV |
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| 11:06.48 | quik_ | weissi: how do I do this? |
| 11:06.50 | overnout | Diazepam: with the new 2.6 kernel not any more |
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| 11:07.07 | quik_ | mount /dev/hdi1 or similar? |
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| 11:07.35 | overnout | /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/hdi |
| 11:08.02 | Diazepam | overnout - so it should just be plug and play?? |
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| 11:08.34 | weissi | quik_: if MAKEDEV does not work: `mknod /dev/hdi 56 0`, `mknod /dev/hdi1 56 1`, `mknod /dev/hdi2 56 2` , ... |
| 11:08.40 | overnout | Diazepam: it works with the common cd ide driver |
| 11:08.58 | quik_ | mount /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/hdi fails |
| 11:09.05 | overnout | not mount |
| 11:09.09 | weissi | quik_: not mount |
| 11:09.11 | weissi | ;-) |
| 11:09.13 | quik_ | oh |
| 11:09.17 | Diazepam | overnout - my machine locks up every time i hook up the cdburner |
| 11:09.50 | overnout | cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV hdi |
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| 11:09.56 | quik_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:10.09 | weissi | quik_: ok, then use `mknod /dev/hdi 56 0`, `mknod /dev/hdi1 56 1`, `mknod /dev/hdi2 56 2` , ... |
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| 11:11.10 | overnout | Diazepam: what error do you have ..what means "lock" |
| 11:11.27 | quik_ | weissi: 56 0, 56 1 and 56 2, what does that do? |
| 11:11.43 | fscker | what do i have to install so that lockd comes up in rpcinfo |
| 11:12.07 | overnout | edit /etc/default/nfs-common |
| 11:12.09 | RolandU | hi all! I currently have 2 vfat / windows partitions and 2 debian / ext3 partitions. now I want to get rid of windows. However grub is set to boot debian off hda6 and if moving the partition works it will be hda1. How can I boot afterwards? |
| 11:12.32 | overnout | nd run /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 11:12.40 | weissi | quik_: `mknod /dev/hdi 56 0` does create a device named /dev/hdi with the major number 56 and the minor number 0, that's the way, the kernel knows what devices you mean... |
| 11:12.44 | Diazepam | overnout - just locks up - keyboard and system freezes |
| 11:12.46 | quik_ | weissi: with the `? |
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| 11:13.20 | SerajewelKS | RolandU: have a linux live cd handy, move the partitions, boot from the CD and correct your grub config |
| 11:13.21 | fscker | RolandU:u can edit grub while booting to boot off /dev/hda1..then make it permanent later |
| 11:13.26 | overnout | Diazepam: when you do what ? ..when you put a cd/dvd inside ? |
| 11:13.33 | weissi | quik_: when I type `bla bla`, I mean: execute bla bla (enter bla bla on the command prompt and press [Enter]) |
| 11:13.33 | dr1v3r | anyon eknow why i would receive this error while trying to install phpbb2-conf-mysql http://pastebin.com/541425 |
| 11:14.09 | RolandU | SerajewelKS, and modifying the grub-setup-files will be enough? will it even find grub if it's beeing moved? |
| 11:14.10 | SerajewelKS | dr1v3r: because it can't connect to the database? |
| 11:14.25 | SerajewelKS | RolandU: grub is installed to the MBR, it'd better be able to find it |
| 11:14.33 | dr1v3r | i know that lol, but what could be the reasons it wouldnt? |
| 11:14.45 | RolandU | SerajewelKS, but the grub-setup-files are on the harddisk, aren't they? |
| 11:14.47 | dr1v3r | where do i find the mysql username and pass? |
| 11:14.49 | SerajewelKS | dr1v3r: wrong password, mysql not running, etc |
| 11:14.49 | quik_ | what kind of partition do I want to create? |
| 11:14.55 | dr1v3r | as i feel that may be the problem |
| 11:15.10 | SerajewelKS | RolandU: the MBR is on the harddisk too |
| 11:15.27 | fscker | overnout:i did that...[kblockd/0] comes in ps ax list but lickd isnt on rpcinfo list |
| 11:15.31 | Diazepam | overnout - nah just hook the thing up. Once i hook it up the system boots okay but hangs as soon as I hit enter after the KDE login screen |
| 11:15.50 | RolandU | hm. I will try it. If it doesn't work at least I can do a nice and clean install afterwards. |
| 11:16.35 | overnout | probably it hangs when kde trys to access to the cds on login |
| 11:16.42 | fscker | RolandU:the grub remains on mbr...when grub comes, goto the debian line and press 'e' for edit...change the path then press 'b' to boot |
| 11:16.52 | Diazepam | overnout - yeah i think so |
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| 11:17.24 | Diazepam | overnout - system sees it as hdc during boot |
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| 11:17.46 | overnout | hmmm |
| 11:17.51 | RolandU | fscker, okay. thanks |
| 11:18.05 | overnout | thats strange ... i dont know what could be |
| 11:18.28 | overnout | are you sure the cd/dvd is connecter correctly ? |
| 11:18.38 | overnout | *connected |
| 11:18.46 | Diazepam | overnout - yep |
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| 11:19.06 | Kittie | join 3d chat |
| 11:19.07 | Diazepam | overnout - same thing happened when i attemtped to install a standard DVD R |
| 11:19.08 | Kittie | It's free, and doesn't take long to set up. Check it out at: |
| 11:19.10 | Kittie | http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_registration.php?userId=508500 |
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| 11:19.17 | dr1v3r | SerajewelKS where can i findthe mysql password? |
| 11:19.30 | Diazepam | overnout - thanks anyway - appreciate your time |
| 11:19.50 | overnout | sorry that i cant help |
| 11:20.07 | dr1v3r | or anyone know |
| 11:20.07 | quik_ | overnout: is there any otherway of making that command work? |
| 11:20.13 | Diazepam | overnout - no problem, appreciate that you took the time out |
| 11:20.14 | quik_ | it doesn't exist within /dev... |
| 11:20.19 | Diazepam | overnout - cheers! |
| 11:20.24 | aliumalik | I cannot import a mysql dump :S I used mysqladmin to dump and now it wont restore 'You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 24' |
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| 11:21.14 | overnout | quik_: you should set NEED_LOCKD=yes |
| 11:21.23 | overnout | in /etc/default/nfs-common |
| 11:22.08 | quik_ | overnout: If I tried to install to another partition.. would that be a better idea? say hde? |
| 11:22.12 | overnout | better do "/etc/init.d/nfs-common stop" before that |
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| 11:22.51 | oat- | Welcome |
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| 11:22.58 | pengol | hi there I'm building a deb package , i have edited init.d.ex file and renamed into init.d but It isn't copyed when I install my package. Should I do anything else? |
| 11:23.08 | weissi | quik_: did you execute these mknod /dev/hdi 56 0 commands? |
| 11:23.45 | overnout | quik_: you have to have these /dev/hdi.. devices |
| 11:24.02 | overnout | ..otherwise you wont be able to mount iand install your hard disks |
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| 11:25.43 | fscker | my nfs client has only poermapper and status in rpcinfo...what else should be on it? |
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| 11:27.25 | pengol | should I mention it among the configuration files? |
| 11:27.46 | overnout | fscker: actually if you have a new 2.6 kernel you wont need a lockd |
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| 11:29.40 | fulcrum | what's the equivalnet for ntsysv or chkconfig in debian? |
| 11:29.45 | fscker | aarg...i keep getting rpc mount timeout |
| 11:30.00 | quik_ | weissi: they didn't work |
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| 11:30.28 | weissi | quik_: what were the errors? |
| 11:30.31 | djp | is anyone aware whether this project is still active? http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:30.32 | pengol | fulcrum: chkconfig the tool for editing deamons runlevels? |
| 11:31.11 | fulcrum | pengol, yeah... |
| 11:31.25 | quik_ | weissi: I just booted the install with linux26 and it now detects the sata drive as scsi...? |
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| 11:31.43 | pengol | fulcrum: update-rc.d |
| 11:31.47 | quik_ | but the hdi is now hde |
| 11:31.49 | weissi | quik_: thats good |
| 11:31.57 | quik_ | so I'll see how that goes |
| 11:32.09 | quik_ | pitty its time for bed already! |
| 11:32.11 | weissi | quik_: scsi device would be /dev/sd[a-z] |
| 11:32.22 | fulcrum | pengol, ah thanks :-) |
| 11:32.24 | weissi | quik_: ;-) were do you live? |
| 11:32.27 | quik_ | australia |
| 11:32.30 | pengol | pengol: or rcconf with a nicer guy look |
| 11:32.48 | quik_ | 10:30 pm, need to be up for work at 630 |
| 11:32.49 | weissi | quik_: aah cool, I'm in germany here, it's 12PM |
| 11:33.22 | quik_ | hopefully I haven't parititoned my 250gb drive of music and movies |
| 11:33.30 | quik_ | that would make me slightly sad |
| 11:33.33 | fulcrum | pengol, ah cool even better :-) |
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| 11:33.56 | weissi | quik_: I hope so! |
| 11:34.08 | quik_ | is grub or lilo better for boot managers? |
| 11:34.12 | quik_ | I want to leave my windows install intact |
| 11:34.13 | weissi | quik_: grub |
| 11:34.21 | quik_ | just incase I need itunes |
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| 11:34.45 | jcdubacq | hi |
| 11:34.54 | quik_ | well the install just went through |
| 11:35.01 | quik_ | installed grub and now I'll see what happens |
| 11:35.11 | jcdubacq | I upgraded udev and hal this morning from unstable and I see weird things happening |
| 11:35.31 | quik_ | will my wireless card work without hacking around |
| 11:35.33 | quik_ | ? |
| 11:35.36 | fireba11 | jcdubacq: well .. it's unstable after all |
| 11:35.38 | jcdubacq | what is the best channel to ask (the bug might be in gnome-volume-manager)? |
| 11:35.53 | weissi | quik_: depends on the chip on you wlan-device |
| 11:35.59 | jcdubacq | fireba11: unstable does not mean unfixable |
| 11:36.18 | quik_ | weissi: is there a reference of working ones? |
| 11:36.24 | fireba11 | jcdubacq: true .. still you should expect something not to work once in a while :-) |
| 11:37.00 | fireba11 | jcdubacq: either here or in #gnome i'd say |
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| 11:37.50 | weissi | quik_: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ is not bad, but google is better ;-) |
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| 11:39.36 | quik_ | looks like I might want to download the install cd for packages |
| 11:39.53 | quik_ | cause it doesn't look like it'll work using the bloody wireless card |
| 11:40.05 | fireba11 | quik_: what kernel do you use ? |
| 11:40.09 | quik_ | 2.6 |
| 11:40.28 | fireba11 | quik_: there are installers that have newer kernels backported for additional hardware support |
| 11:40.36 | fireba11 | !2.6.8.14 |
| 11:40.37 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 11:40.44 | fireba11 | uhm |
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| 11:41.00 | quik_ | I just installed now.. so its the latest stable release |
| 11:41.15 | fireba11 | quik_: stable doesn't get newer kernels |
| 11:41.20 | quik_ | ... |
| 11:41.23 | quik_ | its 2.6 |
| 11:41.29 | fireba11 | 2.6.8 |
| 11:41.49 | quik_ | yrs |
| 11:41.52 | quik_ | yes |
| 11:41.55 | Stalin | quick you can compile your own |
| 11:42.07 | fireba11 | there are installer images with newer kernels like 2.6.8.15 around |
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| 11:42.19 | fireba11 | for new sata controllers f.ex. |
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| 11:46.25 | omry|work | fireba11, eventually I got it. the setup is very buggy with the raid support. |
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| 11:46.34 | omry|work | took a few reboots. |
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| 11:47.29 | fireba11 | omry|work: hm .. didn't experience problems with it so far .. but setting up software raid in the installer is rather new |
| 11:47.45 | quik_ | fireba11: in the kernel I have, are there any wireless config tools that I can use? |
| 11:48.15 | force | hi, when i try to enable dma on sata disk (82801fb/fw) i get a HDIO_SET_DMA failed operation not permitted error, i have enabled via82cxxx chipset support, but no luck, what do you suggest? |
| 11:49.06 | fireba11 | force: err .. it should be enabled already ? |
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| 11:49.19 | force | fireba11: it's not :( |
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| 11:49.30 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
| 11:50.06 | gromf | Can someone help me with xinerama and radeon 7000VE ? |
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| 11:54.40 | kurtak | I hope this isn't too OT but I thought some here might have a good opinion on this- what's the best IDE for developing C++ under linux? Eclipse, Anjuta, Emacs, VDE, KDevelop??? |
| 11:55.10 | vulture | ViM. |
| 11:55.12 | weissi | kurtak: I like vim :-) |
| 11:55.20 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 11:55.20 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 11:57.17 | quik_ | how do I discover my IP? |
| 11:57.27 | SerajewelKS | quik_: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 11:57.36 | Bucciarati | definetely vim |
| 11:57.54 | kurtak | best as in overall performance and ease of use i suppose. vim huh, i know the basics, but to work w/ a big group on a big project, is there a way to keep "projects" for others to start using/updating immediately? i guess i should ask on the vi channel |
| 11:58.01 | Bucciarati | i mean definitively :) |
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| 11:58.13 | depakote | Howdy, I am installing from a 3.1 dvd of debian -- It seems my connection is not working, I am using a "st3200826as" harddrive and getting the following error "No partitionable media" "Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine." |
| 11:58.19 | quik_ | brb |
| 11:58.35 | SerajewelKS | kurtak: performance? from an IDE? |
| 11:58.52 | kurtak | SerajewelKS: relatively speaking of course |
| 11:58.58 | Bucciarati | kurtak: (together with emacs) it is the most powerful and configurable editor |
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| 11:59.18 | Bucciarati | kurtak: and has much better performance than emacs by sure :) |
| 11:59.20 | SerajewelKS | kurtak: i like eclipse for java, but that's about it. vim. |
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| 12:00.02 | kurtak | Bucciarati: vim w/ emacs? what do you do in emacs, the debugging or? |
| 12:00.20 | Bucciarati | sorry i meant they both are very powerful and configurable |
| 12:00.28 | Bucciarati | not that they can be used together |
| 12:01.00 | kurtak | ah yeah |
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| 12:01.11 | Bucciarati | to avoid the usual flame war :) |
| 12:01.11 | brianski_werk | hi |
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| 12:01.28 | SerajewelKS | nobody would ever use vim and emacs together, because everybody hates at least one of them |
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| 12:01.33 | brianski_werk | i just installed a new drive, and i'm trying to boot to it... I dump | restore'd all my data on to it, changed /etc/fstab on the new partition, etc. but lilo doesn't seem to be working... (setting the bios to boot from the new drive results in 10101010 on the screen over and over) what should I be telling lilo and/or is there a FAQ/HOWTO for this? |
| 12:01.35 | SerajewelKS | !start an editor war |
| 12:01.35 | dpkg | ae sucks |
| 12:01.52 | ma3x | what's the best way to transfer file between 2 remote computers? (if having in mind that both are firewalled-unable to forward ports) |
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| 12:01.53 | SerajewelKS | brianski_werk: reinstall lilo on the MBR |
| 12:01.57 | ma3x | then we know that ftp is not the choice |
| 12:02.01 | kurtak | SerajewelKS: yah, that's what i thought |
| 12:02.01 | ma3x | will irc transfer work or not? |
| 12:02.13 | Bucciarati | ma3x: http or scp |
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| 12:02.17 | brianski_werk | SerajewelKS - i've tried about 20 different incantations of lilo, i must be doing something wrong, because still, the screen ful o garbage... |
| 12:02.20 | Bucciarati | ssh will be enabled on one of them |
| 12:02.24 | Bucciarati | or apache |
| 12:02.28 | ma3x | Bucciarati, http is also not choice, ports are not forward, can't run http server |
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| 12:02.32 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: you can't directly transfer anything, unless you want to try TCP/UDP hole punching. put them on a server. |
| 12:02.36 | JoshX | heya all.. |
| 12:02.37 | JoshX | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.49 | brianski_werk | chroot /mnt |
| 12:02.51 | brianski_werk | lilo -b /dev/sdb1 -M /dev/sdb -C /etc/lilo.conf |
| 12:02.52 | JoshX | ftp.nl.debian.org mirror is down? anyone know what is going on? |
| 12:02.52 | brianski_werk | exit |
| 12:02.58 | brianski_werk | reboot - no dice... |
| 12:03.06 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, but I could for eg. send it via messenger (gaim) but I don't know if it supports resume |
| 12:03.08 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: if you can successfully do UDP hole punching then you can establish a UDP VPN with OpenVPN and use samba, ftp, whatever |
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| 12:03.20 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, I can't do that! |
| 12:03.25 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: why not? |
| 12:03.27 | bobbens | JoshX: if the mirror is down just use another until it is back up |
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| 12:03.41 | JoshX | bobbens: any suggestions for a dutch mirror? |
| 12:03.46 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: it's not like you need control over the firewall or anything |
| 12:03.46 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, not enough knowledge, first of all dunno what's that udp hole punching, and I don't want it that complicated. |
| 12:03.57 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: meh i wrote something in java to do this |
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| 12:04.15 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: with the help of a rendezvous host, you can get direct data transfer over UDP |
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| 12:04.30 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: then start an OpenVPN connection over the punched hole |
| 12:04.39 | bobbens | JoshX: doesnt really matter, I'm in europe yet I use mirrors.kernel.org . The difference is going to be minimal, not like i'm timing my apt-get downloads |
| 12:04.46 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, I don't have rendezvous host |
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| 12:04.52 | JoshX | hm ok |
| 12:04.53 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: i've used this technique to set up university vs. university halo matches |
| 12:05.01 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: well then you're fscked |
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| 12:05.11 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, but irc dcc send won't work? |
| 12:05.17 | quik_ | I have plugged my debian machine to my powerbook with a peer to peer the debian machine sends a wake up in the console |
| 12:05.19 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: what does DCC mean? |
| 12:05.26 | Bucciarati | JoshX: xs4all has a debian mirror anyway |
| 12:05.30 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, lol |
| 12:05.31 | ma3x | !dcc |
| 12:05.32 | dpkg | i heard dcc is a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/, or see <dcc alliance> |
| 12:05.32 | brianski_werk | does lilo still have an 8G limitation? |
| 12:05.44 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: exactly. Direct Client-to-Client. |
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| 12:05.54 | quik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.56 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, it won't work? |
| 12:05.59 | quik_ | I set the ip address on my mac |
| 12:05.59 | fulcrum | afternoon... |
| 12:06.03 | quik_ | they won't ping |
| 12:06.04 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, but how come messenger works? |
| 12:06.08 | quik_ | anyone got a tip? |
| 12:06.13 | fulcrum | I got a problem... here with bindgraph... |
| 12:06.14 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: there is no way you can initiate a connection without hole punching or using some kind of intermediate host. both require a host in an address space that both can connect to, e.g. the internet. |
| 12:06.24 | fulcrum | I did a upgrade while back... |
| 12:06.28 | JoshX | bobbens: thanks for the info |
| 12:06.30 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: it shouldn't |
| 12:06.31 | fulcrum | and bind got upgraded to 9.3 |
| 12:06.36 | bobbens | JoshX: np |
| 12:06.39 | quik_ | it says linkup as soon as I plug in the cable |
| 12:06.43 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: if it does, it's probably doing hole punching, using the yahoo server as the rendezvous point. |
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| 12:06.48 | fulcrum | and ow bindgraph doesnt recognise the logs anymore... |
| 12:07.07 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: skype does hole punching as well, which is why two firewalled people can talk |
| 12:07.20 | fulcrum | and the version of bindgraph that apt gets is still the existing version... |
| 12:07.26 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, but skype is slow as hell if you have firewalled connection, right? |
| 12:07.34 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: not necessarily |
| 12:07.46 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: if you have a slow firewalled connection, sure |
| 12:08.20 | fulcrum | argh no wait |
| 12:08.23 | ma3x | does skype or msn have resume? |
| 12:08.24 | fulcrum | the other way around.... |
| 12:08.32 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: i don't know |
| 12:08.35 | ma3x | skype says: your transfer is being replayed |
| 12:08.45 | fulcrum | bindgraph got upgraded to support bind 9.3... |
| 12:08.46 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: just find some free host (e.g. geocities, etc) where you can stuff the files |
| 12:08.48 | ma3x | so it goes like 1 kbyte/second |
| 12:08.58 | fulcrum | ok os basically I need to know how to downgrade a package... |
| 12:09.18 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, it's a big file 700 MB, nobody would host it |
| 12:09.36 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: then do hole punching, or sneakernet |
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| 12:10.25 | quik_ | how do I make my debian machine work with a peer to peer cable to my powerbook? |
| 12:10.41 | SerajewelKS | quik_: assign a static ip to the interface |
| 12:10.50 | quik_ | SerajewelKS: how do I do that? |
| 12:10.57 | fhffhqvb | !breastfeed quik_ |
| 12:11.00 | SerajewelKS | !tell quik_ about interfaces |
| 12:11.46 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: if you're a programmer, doing the hole punching thing can be a lot of fun.. it took me a few weeks to churn out a stable implementation in java, but it works *very* well |
| 12:12.28 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, you can do hole punching with that java app? |
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| 12:12.34 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, and it requires you a host or what? |
| 12:12.46 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, just a host, like a hostname or a machine? |
| 12:12.59 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: it requires some host in an address space that both computers can reach |
| 12:13.09 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: typically the public internet |
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| 12:13.50 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: it basically tricks the NAT layers between the two computers into thinking that the other initiated a connection, and then you can send UDP data between both hosts directly |
| 12:14.14 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: then if you use OpenVPN (which can operate over UDP) both computers get a new IP address |
| 12:14.24 | quik_ | what do I need to do to set the ip to be dynamic? in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:14.34 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: then run whatever kind of fileserver you want, samba, http, ftp, whatever |
| 12:14.46 | SerajewelKS | quik_: man interfaces |
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| 12:15.03 | ootput | are any of you guys intimately familiar with slrnpull? |
| 12:15.13 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: brb breakfast |
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| 12:19.06 | Sharcho | Is there something like cfdisk that supports LVM? |
| 12:19.47 | NgD | Is there a way to open a slide on impress without have to click at "play" ?like run it with an argument and open its animation |
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| 12:20.24 | saftsack | Feb 6 13:21:11 debian kernel: a 26 0 3 2 0 1 0 0 tr: 26 r 100 3 11 10 0 4 3 0 |
| 12:20.29 | saftsack | what does it show me? |
| 12:21.56 | NgD | anyone? |
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| 12:25.25 | McZim | Hello all!!! what remove reference to kdelib & kdebase |
| 12:25.28 | McZim | ?? |
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| 12:27.05 | aglet | does anyone have a script for managing (adding/revoking) keys in .ssh/authorized_hosts or .ssh/authorized_hosts2? I feel dangerous doing >> to append to this file... |
| 12:27.35 | fireba11 | aglet: there is a transfer script somewhere .. .but doing it manually usually works fine |
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| 12:27.56 | aglet | yeah, I know, but I fear someone typing ">" instead of ">>", testing their access and leaving for the weekend.... |
| 12:27.57 | TBBle | aglet: I thought there was a utility included in the base ssh packages to do that sort of thing. |
| 12:28.10 | aglet | TBBle: there's ssh-add, but it's not quite up to the job |
| 12:28.15 | aliumalik | phpmyadmin is working for me but all other scripts are giving 'Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ' like mysql isnt installed (running mysql-4.1 php4 on sarge) |
| 12:28.26 | fireba11 | aglet: who many people are allowed to do that ??? |
| 12:28.32 | aglet | duh, ssh-copy-id, I mean |
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| 12:28.48 | aglet | fireba11: well, it's an "operator" account |
| 12:29.01 | McZim | what remove reference to kdelib & kdebase |
| 12:29.01 | vulture | aglet: what's not sufficient about ssh-copy-id? |
| 12:29.07 | vulture | resolves the ">>" issue.. |
| 12:29.09 | fireba11 | aglet: then usually there should be only 1 or 2 people allowed in there |
| 12:29.13 | aglet | it does, but it doesn't do removal |
| 12:29.21 | aglet | and it can't read a named key file |
| 12:29.28 | sep | aliumalik, you hae installed php4-mysql ? |
| 12:30.01 | aglet | fireba11: you have a point, but provided I know which keys they're using I want lots of people to be able to use this account |
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| 12:30.59 | niklaus | can anyone lend me a guest account on a machine with no firewall, i want to check for port forwarding ? |
| 12:31.15 | fireba11 | aglet: i don't really understand what you are trying to set up there but it sounds either horribly insecure or to be a missconception |
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| 12:32.20 | aglet | fireba11: it's essentially for people to be able to log in and do a couple of basic commands -- restart service, df, that kind of thing, but I don't have NIS or any other easy way of maintaining all those individual accounts. So I'm looking for a way to maintain an ssh authorized_keys file |
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| 12:33.00 | aglet | fireba11: the account is pretty unprivilieged, requires a password to do sudo which lets 'em do a coupe of things as a slightly more privileged user |
| 12:33.40 | aglet | the SSH2 directory full of keys approach would make life simpler |
| 12:33.46 | aliumalik | sep, yes I have |
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| 12:34.00 | dr1v3r | guys on hostname -f i receive this error http://pastebin.com/541481 how can i fix it? |
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| 12:34.12 | afaict | hi folks. im trying to boot a custom live CD based on debian but im getting cramfs: wrong magic. Its trying to read hda5 but this partitions does not exists. my append flags is initrd=/isolinux/initrd.gz root=/dev/ram0 vga=792 |
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| 12:34.15 | fireba11 | aglet: ah okay |
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| 12:34.59 | aglet | I found some thing called http://toska.sourceforge.net/ which looks like a GUI version of what I'm after |
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| 12:36.07 | sep | aliumalik, and you'v read it's doc and added it's extension to php.ini |
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| 12:39.20 | fireba11 | aglet: why don't you use ssh2 then when you can jsut trow all key files into a folder there ? |
| 12:40.15 | aglet | thought that was commercial..? |
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| 12:42.56 | dr1v3r | guys on hostname -f i receive this error http://pastebin.com/541481 how can i fix it? |
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| 12:44.53 | sep | dr1v3r, tried reading man hostname and look under the -f entry |
| 12:45.06 | aliumalik | how can I change the owner of a file from root? |
| 12:45.13 | vulture | aliumalik: chown |
| 12:45.16 | vulture | oddly enough |
| 12:45.16 | sep | aliumalik, man chown |
| 12:45.17 | dr1v3r | man hostname wont fix the damn problem |
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| 12:45.44 | dr1v3r | there is a problem and i need to know how to fix it, not what each command does |
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| 12:46.04 | sep | dr1v3r, not by itself now. but the information there might give you clues in what to look for |
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| 12:46.25 | zege | How do i activate XDMCP to listen to request? In /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config the option DisplayManager.requestPort: 177 is set |
| 12:47.20 | zege | When i try to connect it says that the server is not ready |
| 12:48.08 | dr1v3r | sep it was fine untill about 10 mins ago, |
| 12:48.18 | dr1v3r | it did show my hostname untill then but now its that error |
| 12:48.40 | sep | dr1v3r, what did you do 10 minutes ago then ? |
| 12:49.09 | dr1v3r | trying to get damn mysql to work |
| 12:49.13 | dr1v3r | but thats it |
| 12:49.14 | dr1v3r | :( |
| 12:49.42 | sep | dr1v3r, not been into nsswitch.conf |
| 12:50.04 | Bucciarati | is anything wrong with the mail.vim ftplugin in sid? |
| 12:50.14 | dr1v3r | never heard of it, so probs not lol |
| 12:50.19 | Bucciarati | tw doesn't get set |
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| 12:50.53 | Bucciarati | it seems that the 'exists("b:did_plugin")' returns true |
| 12:51.21 | dr1v3r | how do you exit a man page? i thought it was control+c but thats not working |
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| 12:51.42 | Bucciarati | dr1v3r: q |
| 12:51.43 | prodope | dr1v3r: q |
| 12:51.50 | dr1v3r | damn bloody hell lol |
| 12:51.56 | dr1v3r | thanx |
| 12:52.01 | dr1v3r | i tried everything but that haha |
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| 12:52.14 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 12:52.15 | amphi | dr1v3r: that's less, BTW |
| 12:52.20 | amphi | dr1v3r: probably |
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| 12:52.25 | quik_ | I can ping my router and other machines on my network |
| 12:52.30 | quik_ | but not the web |
| 12:52.33 | quik_ | anyone got any ideas why?> |
| 12:52.50 | dr1v3r | amphi huh? |
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| 12:53.00 | profe | ff |
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| 12:54.10 | diogenes | quik_: you mean that you can't ping it from outside of your network? |
| 12:54.11 | dr1v3r | hmm now it has fixed itself, that error is not there now |
| 12:54.15 | dr1v3r | weird damn box |
| 12:54.32 | quik_ | diogenes: no, I can't ping outside my network using the machine |
| 12:54.41 | diogenes | k |
| 12:54.46 | dr1v3r | your fiewaall not blocking it? |
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| 12:55.03 | quik_ | no firewall blocking it |
| 12:55.04 | dr1v3r | or your router setup to allow outbound pings? |
| 12:55.07 | diogenes | does anything else go through? |
| 12:55.11 | dr1v3r | or pings full stop |
| 12:55.26 | quik_ | I can ping it from other machines and I can ping to other machines and router from it |
| 12:55.36 | quik_ | it will not ping say google.com |
| 12:55.54 | irc_matsch | quik_, is your router your default gateway? |
| 12:56.00 | weissi | quik_: does it ping 129.143.11.1 ? |
| 12:56.00 | dr1v3r | so you can ping internally but not externally rite? |
| 12:56.26 | quik_ | no outside ping works |
| 12:56.30 | diogenes | can you do anything else besides ping outside? |
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| 12:56.41 | quik_ | no |
| 12:56.47 | quik_ | gateway is set to the router |
| 12:56.47 | dr1v3r | try your router settings |
| 12:57.02 | diogenes | can you ping outside from the router? |
| 12:57.06 | quik_ | I'm using that router with another machine to speak with you |
| 12:57.11 | weissi | quik_: what does `traceroute -n 129.143.11.1` say? |
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| 12:58.09 | quik_ | command not found |
| 12:58.11 | quik_ | ? |
| 12:58.19 | weissi | quik_: apt-get install traceroute |
| 12:58.27 | quik_ | ... no web access |
| 12:58.36 | weissi | quik_: aah fuck |
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| 12:58.52 | weissi | quik_: is default route and dns server set correctly? |
| 12:58.58 | quik_ | dunno |
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| 12:59.10 | fireba11 | you still at it ? |
| 12:59.20 | quik_ | I can quote my /etc/network/interfaces to you |
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| 12:59.33 | weissi | quik_: k, in #flood or paster? |
| 13:00.13 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:00.13 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
| 13:00.18 | diogenes | quik_: so didn't any machine on your network see outside or just one? |
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| 13:00.59 | quik_ | diogenes: only the debian machine can't see outside |
| 13:01.39 | diogenes | quik_: what does ifconfig say? |
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| 13:01.58 | quik_ | says that my ip is set? |
| 13:02.03 | diogenes | k |
| 13:02.20 | weissi | quik_: what does nslookup do? |
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| 13:02.33 | ryan42` | Grr. The 2.6 kernel dosen't find my root |
| 13:02.35 | quik_ | command not found |
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| 13:02.56 | fireba11 | quik_: hum .. you are at a box with internet right now .. can't you plug in the debaian box somewhere too ? |
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| 13:03.04 | weissi | quik_: and `host www.google.com` or `dig www.google.com` ? |
| 13:03.09 | quik_ | I have plugged the debian box into the router |
| 13:03.21 | fireba11 | quik_: but not workinig ? |
| 13:03.24 | quik_ | both commands aren't found |
| 13:03.28 | quik_ | fireba11: nope |
| 13:03.31 | diogenes | what rules do you have on the router firewall? |
| 13:03.35 | quik_ | none |
| 13:03.45 | weissi | quik_: and `ping 129.143.11.1` does definetely not work? |
| 13:03.49 | diogenes | and the debian box? |
| 13:03.52 | quik_ | weissi: none |
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| 13:03.56 | quik_ | no* |
| 13:03.56 | weissi | sorry, `ping -n 129.143.11.1` |
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| 13:04.04 | irc_matsch | quik_, what does route -n say? |
| 13:04.06 | xiaogil | how to do so that a command in a executable file opens a terminal and execute another command in it ? |
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| 13:04.20 | weissi | -n often means "no nameresolution with dns" |
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| 13:05.03 | quik_ | it only liss the 10.0.0.0 address wotj mp gateway and 0.0.0.0 with my router set as gateway |
| 13:05.03 | dr1v3r | anyone here used apache2 and phpbb2 together? |
| 13:05.10 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: yes |
| 13:05.27 | iciclebox | anyone managed to get your usb mouse to work? after reading the factoroid on usb mouse, startx finally loaded, but my mouse still wouldn't move. cat /dev/input/mice shows nothing |
| 13:05.28 | quik_ | what does network 10.0.0.0 set to anyway? is that wrong? |
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| 13:05.45 | dr1v3r | did you run it from the default locations or setup a user account to run them from? |
| 13:06.05 | dr1v3r | i have got apache working fine, but its phpbb2 i have having a nightmare with |
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| 13:06.43 | fireba11 | dr1v3r i just installed apache2 + php + mysql with apt-get then downloaded phpbb2 with wget and put in /var/www .. i still don't really get what you are trying to do |
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| 13:06.43 | quik_ | I'd better give it up tonight |
| 13:06.58 | quik_ | I gotta be up for work in 6 hrs |
| 13:07.11 | iciclebox | !usb |
| 13:07.11 | dpkg | usb is probably (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
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| 13:07.30 | irc_matsch | quik_, ok |
| 13:07.34 | dr1v3r | well i am running my webserver from an account i setup (example = www) |
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| 13:08.00 | dr1v3r | instead of running it from /var/www it is ran from home/www |
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| 13:09.22 | quik_ | thanks weissi |
| 13:09.29 | quik_ | goodnight all |
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| 13:10.32 | dr1v3r | but i can not get the phpbb2 to run from /home/www, i downloaded phpbb2 using apt-get |
| 13:10.44 | xiaogil | is there a command to ask for a question in a terminal, and get the answer in a variable ? |
| 13:11.18 | dr1v3r | to get it working you have to link to the documentroot of phpbb2 by using an alias but i cant get it to work |
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| 13:15.14 | ServerCrash | hi how to configure yum to access over port 80 / 21 / 443 only , my firewall blocks rest all the ports |
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| 13:15.48 | Bucciarati | ServerCrash: what's yum to do with debian ? |
| 13:16.01 | ServerCrash | ops ..sorry wrong channel |
| 13:16.07 | Bucciarati | .. |
| 13:16.11 | vulture | Bucciarati: yeah, I asked myself the same question.. though it seems Debian does have a "yum" package |
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| 13:16.32 | Bucciarati | vulture: yes i just saw it |
| 13:16.52 | Bucciarati | curious :) i knew about rpm but not about yum |
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| 13:22.06 | iciclebox | !kernel |
| 13:22.08 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15.2, prepatch: 2.6.16-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.16-rc2-git2, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc1-mm5 |
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| 13:27.30 | RolandU | hi all! grub is trying to boot of hda8, however my kernel moved to hda5. grub does not even come up and only displays error 22. how can I make it usable again? |
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| 13:28.29 | Neverth | RolandU, update-grub? |
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| 13:30.43 | RolandU | Neverth, where can I run update grub? I booted using a knoppix-live-cd. If I run it now it would refer to the cd's update-grub? |
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| 13:32.15 | CountZ | i'm installing subversion on debian, and I noticed there is no facility that runs svnserve (not within inetd and not as a daemon with a script in /etc/init.d) - is that the way it's supposed to be or am I missing something |
| 13:32.28 | treyh0 | RolandU: /sbin/update-grub |
| 13:33.43 | EdLin | RolandU: chroot into your hard drive's mountpoint, then run update-grub |
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| 13:34.00 | azeem | CountZ: did you check the READMEs etc. in /usr/share/doc/subversion? |
| 13:34.20 | CountZ | azeem: no I was reading the howto's |
| 13:34.37 | CountZ | but I will check that file out |
| 13:34.47 | ramiro | \c |
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| 13:35.52 | goron | !ipv6 |
| 13:35.52 | dpkg | it has been said that ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute |
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| 13:36.27 | goron | Uh, how supported is it? I kind of need to access a ipv6 address now. |
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| 13:37.13 | RolandU | EdLin, for some reason chroot does not give meet write-access to my harddisk |
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| 13:37.15 | PDani | hi |
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| 13:37.32 | treyh0 | RolandU: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda8 (or whatever hda device it was) |
| 13:37.35 | PDani | how can i set the read- and write-cache for a hard disk? |
| 13:37.35 | treyh0 | then chroot back in |
| 13:38.56 | RolandU | treyh0, thanks that should work |
| 13:39.04 | RolandU | will try to reboot now |
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| 13:39.52 | j0k3r | PDani: try using hdparm |
| 13:40.29 | zege | can anyone help me configuring my xdm to answer xdmcp requests because i did't get it working ... :( ? |
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| 13:42.06 | DirkGently | zege: what have you tried? |
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| 13:42.48 | j0k3r | zege: have you commented the DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 line at you /etc/X11/xdm-config ? |
| 13:42.54 | zege | DirkGently: i tryed to edit /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config and some tutorials found by google |
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| 13:43.17 | zege | and i opend all ports with iptables |
| 13:43.19 | DirkGently | zege: what dm are you running? xdm, gdm or kdm? |
| 13:43.23 | zege | xdm |
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| 13:44.00 | zege | @j0k3r: yes i commented it |
| 13:44.07 | j0k3r | :\ |
| 13:44.13 | zege | but it didn't help , so i tryed to set port 177 |
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| 13:46.25 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 13:46.37 | faber2 | can i use ssh to pipe a mysqldump into a mysql running on another machine? |
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| 13:47.28 | RichiH | if you are not using the binary dump format, yes |
| 13:48.00 | tarzeau | how, if at all, can i play dvd with xine-ui on sarge? |
| 13:48.29 | jm_ | it should work even with binary dump if you can feed it on stdin |
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| 13:49.04 | RichiH | jm_: wouldn't that need to be ascii armored? /me is not sure if you can pipe binary |
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| 13:49.28 | jm_ | RichiH: naah, just like you can do tar cz ... | ssh | tar xz |
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| 13:49.47 | ozzmond | I need help |
| 13:50.09 | azeem | ozzmond: just ask your question |
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| 13:50.53 | RichiH | jm_: hmm, you have a point there |
| 13:52.43 | faber2 | oh, so i can do cat <foo> | ssh root@foobar | myapp_at_foobar ? |
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| 13:53.24 | SerajewelKS | faber2: yeah, only ssh'ing as root is a Bad Thing (TM) |
| 13:54.08 | iciclebox | Sera: then how do you administrate a web server in a datacenter? |
| 13:54.26 | faber2 | SerajewelKS: yeah, i know |
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| 13:54.45 | faber2 | SerajewelKS: it's too easy to guess that username! |
| 13:54.49 | fireba11 | iciclebox: ssh as root :-) but you should not script that somewhere with password *g* |
| 13:55.02 | SerajewelKS | faber2: that's not the only reason |
| 13:55.12 | fireba11 | iciclebox: if you're paranoid only allow ssh as user and su then |
| 13:55.44 | iciclebox | fireba11: ok thanks |
| 13:55.51 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: i think you're good fi you got a reasonable password for root |
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| 13:56.26 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: doesn't matter. it can be broken at some point. w/regular user they'd have to break that pw, and then break root before you noticed the breakin. |
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| 13:57.53 | jvw | dr1v3r: did you read the documentation? |
| 13:57.53 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: true .. but if I use a 15-character random password they need a couple years to break it so i don't care |
| 13:58.01 | jvw | dr1v3r: like, in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2? |
| 13:58.23 | mgoetze | can anyone help me figure out why my dhcp server (isc 3) isn't doing dynamic dns updates to my bind9? i've configured everything but from the logs it looks like it's not even trying |
| 13:58.57 | fireba11 | mgoetze: that's no default feature !? |
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| 13:59.36 | mgoetze | fireba11: well, according to what i've read you need to generate a TSIG key and such first - which i did |
| 13:59.53 | valdyn | !ram |
| 13:59.53 | dpkg | it has been said that ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
| 14:00.17 | britt | lol |
| 14:00.22 | mgoetze | fireba11: of course, it would be nice if debian just did it by default, but it seems not to |
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| 14:01.50 | fireba11 | mgoetze: i tried that a while ago .. didn#t get it working .. bood luck though :-) |
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| 14:02.13 | fireba11 | mgoetze: well not that many peoply are running a DNS server ... |
| 14:02.41 | valdyn | dpkg, ram =~ s/sheep/sheep. See also http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
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| 14:02.51 | valdyn | dpkg, ram =~ s/sheep/sheep. See also http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html/ |
| 14:03.01 | britt | for text-mode linux, how much ram is usually put into systems. I have a file server with 192MB ram..is thuis enuf? |
| 14:03.05 | valdyn | !test |
| 14:03.06 | dpkg | Sorry, valdyn, I didn't get your test. |
| 14:03.17 | britt | and can i dump the swap partition if i dont ever use it? |
| 14:03.19 | fireba11 | valdyn: who told me to speak to dpkg in private ? :-) |
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| 14:03.42 | petemc | britt: i wouldnt not have a swap partition with only 192meg ram |
| 14:03.44 | sep | mgoetze, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/343 thisone dosnt help you at all ? |
| 14:03.50 | valdyn | fireba11: guilty |
| 14:04.00 | mgoetze | britt: depends how you plan to serve files, and how many... |
| 14:04.03 | Fawzib | hello, is there a way to make dpkg-deb follow links when creating a deb package? |
| 14:04.19 | britt | mgoetze: rigth now, via apache and samba and i'm trying out appletalk |
| 14:04.36 | valdyn | britt: 'file server' is not sufficient information. |
| 14:04.59 | britt | valdyn: 850 p3 system running sarge and just serving files for music. |
| 14:05.20 | britt | valdyn: and the occasional backup, the last one being 45GB in size (one tar file) |
| 14:05.36 | valdyn | britt: same, useless, what is important is how many users at once want files |
| 14:05.56 | britt | 1 or 2 |
| 14:06.04 | britt | its just for me to use |
| 14:06.14 | britt | not like a corporation box or anything |
| 14:06.29 | valdyn | britt: you dont need swap for that system then |
| 14:06.39 | mgoetze | sep: that has things a bit differently than other websites i've seen, i'll try it, thanks |
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| 14:06.45 | britt | valdyn: cool. thx. |
| 14:07.02 | ChrisW | hurm, slightly off topic - but can anyone recommend a good UK pc components retailer? |
| 14:07.10 | valdyn | britt: a linux fileserver for 1-2 users at once should work just fine w/ 16mb ram and no swap... |
| 14:07.15 | ChrisW | looking for stuff to go in a Zalman Silent case... |
| 14:07.28 | britt | valdyn: wow. okay. thank you. |
| 14:07.56 | DirkGently | ChrisW: ebuyer, aria, scan, eclipse-computers, dabs |
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| 14:08.54 | The_Ball | I just installed debian stable with the minimal netinst image, I have a problem with grub, it doens't "autoboot", the screen says it will boot in five seconds but it will stay there until i press enter. Is this a known bug? |
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| 14:08.59 | DirkGently | valdyn: running apache?? |
| 14:09.02 | ChrisW | thanks :-) |
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| 14:09.31 | RolandU | update-grub was not enough |
| 14:09.39 | valdyn | DirkGently: no idea, apache is probably the largest tool to serve files.. |
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| 14:09.46 | tarzeau | has someone got xine-dvdnav packages for sarge? |
| 14:10.11 | RolandU | grub is broken. how can I reinstall it to the boot sector |
| 14:10.36 | britt | RolandU: boot from the cd, i think you can type in repair at the boot: prompt |
| 14:10.42 | The_Ball | RolandU, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, |
| 14:10.53 | britt | and run the grub-install program. dont remember what its called tho |
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| 14:11.16 | RolandU | britt, grub-install quits with an error msg |
| 14:11.35 | britt | what msg? |
| 14:11.55 | valdyn | tarzeau: what would that do more than 'xine-ui' ? |
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| 14:12.02 | tarzeau | valdyn: play dvd? |
| 14:12.08 | tarzeau | i need to play dvd. HELP! |
| 14:12.15 | valdyn | tarzeau: oh, sarge's xine does that |
| 14:12.20 | tarzeau | valdyn: how? |
| 14:12.25 | valdyn | tarzeau: including menus and such |
| 14:12.29 | tarzeau | valdyn: how? |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | libdvdread3 might work |
| 14:12.44 | tarzeau | valdyn: i have DVD in driver and i have xine open, what do i click? |
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| 14:12.49 | britt | what happened to the marillat sources? hasnt worked in months.... |
| 14:12.55 | valdyn | tarzeau: the dvd button in that ugly ui |
| 14:12.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate dvd. and i hate users |
| 14:13.04 | abrotman | you just asked how to play a dvd |
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| 14:13.23 | tarzeau | valdyn: i press that and xine says xine engine error |
| 14:13.33 | tarzeau | valdyn: there is no input plugin available to rape dvd:/ |
| 14:13.35 | valdyn | tarzeau: you might need some marillat package or libdvdread3 from a different source.. i always have marillat stuff installed so i dont really know xine w/o it |
| 14:13.38 | RolandU | britt, The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 14:13.49 | tarzeau | valdyn: maybe mrl syntax is fucked or file/stream source went poof. |
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| 14:13.56 | valdyn | tarzeau: what you dont need is a different xine package though.. |
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| 14:14.04 | tarzeau | valdyn: i don't like marillat |
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| 14:14.13 | valdyn | !libdvdread |
| 14:14.18 | valdyn | !libdvdread3 |
| 14:14.21 | valdyn | mm |
| 14:14.30 | tarzeau | valdyn: i prefer to get the right source packages and make my own build |
| 14:14.37 | tarzeau | valdyn: what software do i need to play DVD? |
| 14:14.40 | britt | RolandU: strange...I never did have the error before |
| 14:15.03 | RolandU | britt, I moved my partitions around |
| 14:15.07 | valdyn | tarzeau: as i said, since i always have most marillat packages installed im not entirely sure, probably only libdvdread3 |
| 14:15.15 | britt | RolandU: ah. i see. |
| 14:15.29 | britt | i'd run...that gui partitioner |
| 14:15.32 | tarzeau | valdyn: i have that already, but which software do i need to rebuild with what options? |
| 14:15.41 | britt | and make sure you have the mount points all setup |
| 14:15.48 | tarzeau | oh and why can't debian cdrecord version burn dvd? |
| 14:15.55 | zirikili | hi. I can read pdf files via evince when I open it from nautilus but I can't read it when I open it from firefox. the text seems to be crazy. what can I do? |
| 14:16.01 | tarzeau | some other idio^W user wants to burn dvd |
| 14:16.03 | valdyn | tarzeau: you shouldnt need to recompile anything... |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm |
| 14:16.09 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 14:16.14 | tarzeau | valdyn: wtf do i need then? |
| 14:16.18 | valdyn | tarzeau: marilat doesnt replace any package so you shouldnt need to replace any package.. |
| 14:16.28 | tarzeau | valdyn: what do i need then? |
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| 14:16.36 | tarzeau | valdyn: i can NOT use packages no in debian |
| 14:16.50 | resiak | why not? |
| 14:17.20 | valdyn | tarzeau: libdvdnav maybe |
| 14:17.24 | tarzeau | resiak: packages not in main are of utterly low quality |
| 14:17.34 | tarzeau | resiak: marillat packages are especially horrible |
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| 14:17.39 | resiak | tarzeau: okay |
| 14:17.46 | tarzeau | valdyn: do you have an url to the source? |
| 14:17.57 | valdyn | tarzeau: i have libdvdplay0 and |
| 14:17.59 | tarzeau | libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
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| 14:18.05 | valdyn | libdvdnav4 |
| 14:18.08 | tarzeau | i guess i just install my own libdvdread? |
| 14:18.25 | valdyn | tarzeau: no, that would be libdvdcss |
| 14:18.54 | coolpix | re |
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| 14:19.02 | tarzeau | valdyn: crap and where is that? URL? |
| 14:19.13 | Tenkawa | Anyone successfully installed debian on a wrap mb |
| 14:19.13 | valdyn | tarzeau: no idea, i use marillat packages... |
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| 14:20.19 | orlowsks | valdyn:: could be because of the sound system that is installed by default with xine? I know that i had to change my sound plugin. |
| 14:20.25 | tarzeau | valdyn: ok i got it ,thanks |
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| 14:20.37 | pitillo | hi, is there a way to launch X applications on a chrooted system? |
| 14:20.51 | jm_ | pitillo: why wouldn't there be? |
| 14:21.15 | valdyn | pitillo: use sux and sudo to chroot or switch user, not 'su' |
| 14:21.18 | pitillo | jm_, Im having problems to do that... |
| 14:21.45 | jm_ | pitillo: it will have problems if you're connecting via PF_UNIX socket, you can always use TCP/IP |
| 14:22.29 | valdyn | chroot isnt really a good reason to enable tcp/ip on the x server... |
| 14:22.30 | pitillo | i need more reading I think... :) thanks for your info |
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| 14:22.55 | zirikili | why my evince open pdf files directly from nautilus but do not open from web using firefox ? |
| 14:24.00 | valdyn | pitillo: you should probably use the same home directory from your chroot as from your / |
| 14:24.16 | orlowsks | need firefox acrobat plugin |
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| 14:24.23 | valdyn | pitillo: same for /tmp |
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| 14:24.37 | niemand__ | what is the command to change user quotas? |
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| 14:26.13 | nukeu666 | if i set a rule with iptables at terminal...is it permanent or will it go back to default on reboot? |
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| 14:26.56 | common | reboot |
| 14:26.59 | common | wil clear |
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| 14:27.31 | nukeu666 | what file do i edit to make it permanent |
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| 14:28.29 | resiak | tarzeau: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-02-05 15:40 /dev/dvd -> hdc |
| 14:28.41 | sysforce | Please people, someone know why my ksoftirqd is "eating" about 90% of my CPU ? |
| 14:28.45 | tarzeau | resiak: i've got that too |
| 14:29.27 | resiak | tarzeau: Hmm |
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| 14:29.47 | tarzeau | resiak: and if i have 2.4 kernel and ide-scsi? |
| 14:29.52 | tarzeau | resiak: it should bbe dev/scd0? |
| 14:29.53 | adept | in the spirit of "dont ask to ask just ask": any Counter-Strike-1.6-under-cedega-with-nvidia-card users/players here? |
| 14:29.58 | tarzeau | libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss. |
| 14:29.58 | tarzeau | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading |
| 14:30.04 | tarzeau | xine sucks! DVD sucks! |
| 14:30.06 | zirikili | bruno: edquota |
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| 14:30.19 | azeem | adept: don't ask about anyone, just ask your question/report your issue :) |
| 14:30.23 | bruno | zirikili there's another than that: |
| 14:30.24 | junix|work | how do i update my apt-get keys? |
| 14:30.39 | resiak | tarzeau: I don't know? |
| 14:30.52 | zirikili | bruno: I don't know another one |
| 14:31.08 | adept | azeem: ok, i got it ready :) debian unstable, cedega 4.3.2-1, xorg 6.8.2, nvidia gefroce440 go (NV17 core) 64 MB RAM, nvidia drivers 7176/8178, counter-strike 1.6 (no steam). My fps after the game start are maxed out, however they often drop to as low as 20 (de_aztec, cl_weather 0(!)). And they drop no matter what resolution I set 640x480 is as slow as 1600x1200(!). It seems that no matter what I tweak in the game and/or cedega config, FPS remains "nailed". Is |
| 14:31.10 | bruno | zirikili thanks |
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| 14:31.32 | adept | junix|work: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 14:31.41 | strider | junix|work: /topic |
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| 14:36.03 | valdyn | tarzeau: can be /dev/sr0 or /dev/scd0 |
| 14:36.15 | tarzeau | valdyn: ok let me try sr0 |
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| 14:36.27 | valdyn | tarzeau: you could look it up in /proc/scsi/ |
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| 14:37.13 | valdyn | tarzeau: ah, not the device node directly though |
| 14:37.18 | tiny | Anyone here understand Russian? |
| 14:37.29 | valdyn | tarzeau: /dev/sr0 and /dev/scd0 are just different names for the same device anyway |
| 14:38.34 | valdyn | sysforce: which programs are running and doing what? |
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| 14:38.58 | d1zzy | hello. on a debian 3.1 how can one install a C++ program that uses iostream for I/O to work with >2gb files ? this debian version (with g++ 3.3.5 runtime) seems to not open files with O_LARGEFILE :( |
| 14:39.26 | d1zzy | the application exits with "File size limit" error |
| 14:39.45 | cam | hi, I have a pblm; lilo is screwed up; i can't boot anymore on my debian; I tried to do a "rescue" via booting the sasrge net install CD with "linux root=/dev/hda3" command .. but i got a kernel panic .. any tips ? |
| 14:39.59 | valdyn | d1zzy: on what filesystem type? |
| 14:40.18 | Shadowcat | lilo? |
| 14:40.19 | d1zzy | valdyn: XFS. it works to create files over 2gb with other tools (ex dd) but on those strace shows using O_LARGEFILE on open(2) |
| 14:40.26 | Shadowcat | why are you using lilo in debian? |
| 14:40.29 | d1zzy | valdyn: doesnt show that way when using iostram's ifstream :( |
| 14:40.33 | cam | why not ? |
| 14:40.36 | Shadowcat | and cam, shouldn't you be looking a little closer at your kernel? |
| 14:40.46 | Shadowcat | cam: because first off debian's default is grub |
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| 14:41.02 | pipeline | d1zzy: uh, this may sound stupid, but are you using "int" or "size_t" ? :P |
| 14:41.17 | d1zzy | valdyn: I found this bug report http://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2003/11/msg00110.html |
| 14:41.24 | d1zzy | pipeline: huh ? |
| 14:41.30 | Shadowcat | *shrugs* |
| 14:41.36 | Shadowcat | I've upgraded to gcc4 |
| 14:41.40 | d1zzy | pipeline: man Im just writing to the ofstream for example |
| 14:41.44 | valdyn | d1zzy: that's not from the bts? |
| 14:41.45 | ltf | what command do i use to get on a wireless network that has a wep key? |
| 14:41.48 | d1zzy | pipeline: I dont mess with file offsets or sizes |
| 14:41.51 | pipeline | d1zzy: Oh, never mind, you're using the braindead C++ runtime. |
| 14:42.03 | d1zzy | pipeline: yes, Im using the STANDARD C++ runtime |
| 14:42.15 | pipeline | d1zzy: This may surprise you, but there is no standard C++ runtime. |
| 14:42.16 | ltf | i thought it was ifconfig, but that's timing out |
| 14:42.21 | pipeline | d1zzy: And the GNU one is more broken than most, even. |
| 14:42.35 | cam | Shadowcat, yeah i know it's grub as default ... my kernel is fine ... when i used grub, it's bootin without any pblm |
| 14:42.41 | pipeline | d1zzy: I suggest you get a third-party C++ runtime. They're very expensive. But it's worth it. |
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| 14:42.59 | Shadowcat | cam: heh good luck |
| 14:42.59 | cam | maybe am i missing something? |
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| 14:43.04 | d1zzy | pipeline: dude, the problem its fixed with g++ 3.4.x |
| 14:43.05 | Shadowcat | I have no experience with lilo |
| 14:43.06 | moshii | has anyone here managed to get axis running with tomcat4 in unstable? |
| 14:43.18 | pipeline | d1zzy: Heh, that particular one does. There are hundreds of other issues :P |
| 14:43.18 | cam | ok tx Shadowcat |
| 14:43.20 | d1zzy | what Im asking is cant debian devs backport it in 3.1 ? |
| 14:43.20 | Shadowcat | last time I used that was when I installed mandrake, and at that time I didn't even know what top did |
| 14:43.22 | d1zzy | its a bug after all |
| 14:43.31 | d1zzy | pipeline: I dont care about "hundred other issues" |
| 14:43.35 | ootput | would anyone happen to know where i can find a repo for mutt-ng snapshots? |
| 14:43.43 | d1zzy | this one is bad because it corrupts data for applications that dont check every I/O call |
| 14:43.44 | ootput | sorry, debian repo |
| 14:43.58 | Shadowcat | d1zzy: can't you goto say debian testing? |
| 14:44.01 | Shadowcat | it's fixed there |
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| 14:44.15 | d1zzy | Shadowcat: I dont think they gonna switch thousands of production server on "testing" :) |
| 14:44.23 | valdyn | wasnt gcc-3.4 in sarge too? |
| 14:44.28 | valdyn | !info gcc-3.4 sarge |
| 14:44.33 | d1zzy | valdyn: it is the problem is the libs are not |
| 14:44.39 | Shadowcat | d1zzy: or you could backport it yourself |
| 14:44.39 | CountZ | god i hate the .il registrar |
| 14:44.42 | d1zzy | valdyn: so then you need to recompile with gcc 3.4 a lot of stuff |
| 14:44.52 | valdyn | d1zzy: true |
| 14:44.59 | Shadowcat | since you have thousands of production servers on debian |
| 14:45.09 | Shadowcat | you probably have the resources to backport |
| 14:45.09 | d1zzy | Shadowcat: I dont, my employer has |
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| 14:45.16 | Shadowcat | d1zzy: then bug them |
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| 14:45.39 | d1zzy | they will ask me to make a workarround in software (ie directly program using open/read/write/close) |
| 14:45.45 | d1zzy | which IMO is a very bad bad workarround |
| 14:45.55 | Shadowcat | well.... there's no simple solution here |
| 14:46.07 | Shadowcat | either you make a backport, or you get hacking in vi/emacs/whatever you use |
| 14:46.08 | d1zzy | so you guys are telling me right now on latest debian stable one cant use iostream based applications with files over 2gb... |
| 14:46.10 | dpkg | gcc-3.4: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1457 kB, Installed size: 4188 kB |
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| 14:46.33 | Shadowcat | d1zzy: there's a 3.4 in sarge apparently, as dpkg just indicated |
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| 14:46.45 | Shadowcat | however, it has "PRERELEASE" pasted all over it |
| 14:46.50 | d1zzy | Shadowcat: can I safely rebuild and install a lot of packages with 3.4 and keep those with 3.3 arround ? |
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| 14:47.02 | Shadowcat | they're supposed to play nice with each other |
| 14:47.04 | valdyn | d1zzy: no |
| 14:47.08 | d1zzy | like keep mysqlclient with 3.3x and have one with 3.4.x too |
| 14:47.11 | d1zzy | valdyn: well, thought so |
| 14:47.13 | SerajewelKS | d1zzy: the only case where that's really a problem is C++ and the kernel |
| 14:47.17 | d1zzy | which is why I cant use 3.4.x then :) |
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| 14:47.34 | Shadowcat | d1zzy: well.... if you explicitly tell mysql to use the gcc 3.3 binary, then yes |
| 14:47.42 | SerajewelKS | d1zzy: for C dynamic linking, it should not matter which version of gcc you use |
| 14:47.42 | Shadowcat | but there can only be one symlink to gcc |
| 14:47.44 | valdyn | d1zzy: you would have to give your new packages new names, as done during every debian abi transition |
| 14:47.58 | d1zzy | SerajewelKS: indeed, only C++ mangling does matter.. :) |
| 14:48.02 | pipeline | d1zzy: I think you may have an old version of stable... it sure looks like sarge uses 3.4 as its libstdc++-6 package... |
| 14:48.14 | Shadowcat | pipeline: sarge uses 3.3 |
| 14:48.20 | Shadowcat | by default anyway |
| 14:48.23 | Shadowcat | there's a 3.4 in sarge |
| 14:48.31 | Shadowcat | !info gcc-3.4 sarge |
| 14:48.34 | dpkg | gcc-3.4: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1457 kB, Installed size: 4188 kB |
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| 14:48.41 | valdyn | pipeline: i think he needs more libraries than just libstdc++6 |
| 14:48.42 | pipeline | Shadowcat: Then why does libstdc++-6 not have a longer package name to distinguish it? |
| 14:48.42 | Shadowcat | !info gcc sarge |
| 14:48.45 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 14:48.48 | d1zzy | aha, cause the admins said its up to date from a "stable" point of view :) |
| 14:49.08 | Shadowcat | !info libstdc++6 sarge |
| 14:49.12 | dpkg | libstdc++6: (The GNU Standard C++ Library v3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 313 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 14:49.16 | Shadowcat | ok my bad |
| 14:49.18 | pipeline | d1zzy, valdyn: Well, yeah, there's other crap involved. But the runtime is what really matters here. If he compiles with GCC 3.4 on a single machine, that's fine, but he would need the runtime on all sorts of other systems. |
| 14:49.40 | d1zzy | pipeline: hmm |
| 14:49.52 | d1zzy | but static linking sucks! |
| 14:49.57 | d1zzy | and doesnt work for all cases anyways |
| 14:49.57 | Shadowcat | not really |
| 14:50.01 | valdyn | d1zzy: this isnt that much work really as long as you dont have that many libraries to recompile... |
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| 14:50.06 | Shadowcat | static linking just makes the file size huge |
| 14:50.19 | Shadowcat | depending on how many library functions you stick in there |
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| 14:50.35 | d1zzy | valdyn: well it should be mysqlclient (but thats C so doenst matter), openssl (thats C too so doesnt matter too) and boost and log4cxx |
| 14:50.44 | d1zzy | hmm ok, maybe they are not so many to recompile |
| 14:51.14 | valdyn | d1zzy: none of these uses at least libsigc++ or more c++ libraries? |
| 14:51.19 | pipeline | d1zzy: If you have the libstdc++-6 3.4 runtime on all target systems, why do you care? |
| 14:51.26 | d1zzy | valdyn: my application does and boost and log4cxx do |
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| 14:51.37 | d1zzy | valdyn: mysqlclient and openssl AFAIK are just C libs |
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| 14:52.15 | d1zzy | pipeline: what do you mean, sorry I think I lost you |
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| 14:53.49 | brader | wow dist-upgrade on sid is trying to remove gnome that is a bit scary |
| 14:53.59 | Shadowcat | what in the bloddy hell |
| 14:53.59 | pipeline | d1zzy: If the runtime is fine, all you need is a newer compiler on /one/ machine. The binaries produced should run fine, eh? |
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| 14:54.02 | valdyn | brader: and very common |
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| 14:54.07 | valdyn | !tell brader -about sid faq |
| 14:54.07 | Shadowcat | bloody* |
| 14:54.09 | pipeline | brader: It's probably just removing the metapackage. |
| 14:54.10 | iciclebox | !sid |
| 14:54.10 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 14:54.18 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 14:54.22 | Shadowcat | something tells me those are drones |
| 14:54.22 | iciclebox | !etch |
| 14:54.23 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 14:54.33 | Shadowcat | iciclebox: /msg the bot |
| 14:54.38 | iciclebox | Shadowcat: ok |
| 14:54.50 | pipeline | that's a lot of joins in short succession... |
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| 14:55.04 | ronin | drones, bots etc. |
| 14:55.14 | ronin | got to love /ignore |
| 14:55.15 | Shadowcat | it's the same bunch that got k-lined this morning |
| 14:55.50 | fireba11 | good thing i disabled join/leave messages |
| 14:56.03 | valdyn | d1zzy: if you dont need any other debian packages depending on those c++ libs you could just recompile those few and be done with it |
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| 14:56.19 | brader | heh damn I left my home computer connected to freenode can't get my name back |
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| 14:56.43 | ronin | Ungy_: you dont run in screen and ssh in? |
| 14:56.58 | fireba11 | Ungy_: :-) use remote to kick it *g* |
| 14:57.01 | Ungy_ | ronin, unfortunatly it is on Windows |
| 14:57.14 | ronin | eww |
| 14:57.19 | fireba11 | Ungy_: then use VNC |
| 14:57.23 | JMTeal | i'm gonna be sick.. |
| 14:57.30 | Ungy_ | ronin, I like to play warcraft 3 in between working on things |
| 14:57.35 | valdyn | !rdp |
| 14:57.36 | dpkg | hmm... rdp is an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol |
| 14:57.38 | buht-w | hey guys, I've got my system setup to use the domain's active directory server when logging in via GDM. However, when I login applications do not run because there is no link between the user i logged in as and my passwd file. Do I need to run some command or add the domain user in a specific way to the passwd file? |
| 14:57.54 | Ungy_ | valdyn, it is windows 2000 professional no rdp |
| 14:58.12 | buht-w | right now, when I run a terminal it says "No such user@hostname#" basically. and apps do not run... i think i'm missing some link between passwd and the particular domain user |
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| 14:58.26 | ac3| | my /var/lib/dpkg/available file is corrupt, how can i regenerate it? |
| 14:58.39 | d1zzy | pipeline: well if the application dynamically links to C++ runtime then I need that runtime on the target machines too |
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| 14:59.06 | d1zzy | valdyn: yes luckily it seems that there aren't so many C++ depedencies, we will try to rebuild them with 3.4.x runtime |
| 14:59.11 | valdyn | ac3|: there's a file 'available-old' |
| 14:59.27 | iciclebox | eh, where are the etch release notes? |
| 14:59.36 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: etch is not released |
| 14:59.50 | iciclebox | ok |
| 14:59.56 | iciclebox | still, it's ok to use etch? |
| 15:00.06 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: that depends on what you need |
| 15:00.18 | iciclebox | I'll be using it as my workstation |
| 15:00.21 | azeem | iciclebox: also note that you cannot go back to sarge from etch |
| 15:00.23 | ac3| | valdyn: that´s corrupt too |
| 15:00.26 | valdyn | iciclebox: you should be familiar with debian package management to consider using it |
| 15:00.29 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: then it should be fine |
| 15:00.41 | iciclebox | basically I just want better support for my hardware |
| 15:00.45 | iciclebox | maybe I should just upgrade the kernel |
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| 15:00.56 | azeem | iciclebox: yes |
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| 15:00.57 | valdyn | ac3|: hmm, just run 'apt-get update', wont that restore it? |
| 15:01.22 | pitillo | chroot and X apps working over the net. Thanks jm_ and valdyn :) |
| 15:01.38 | iciclebox | azeem: can I view a list of kernel images using apt-get for testing, but only temporarily? |
| 15:01.38 | ac3| | no:( |
| 15:02.25 | azeem | iciclebox: you could pin testing below stable for that maybe, see man apt_preferences |
| 15:02.35 | iciclebox | thanks |
| 15:02.42 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: 2.6.12 |
| 15:02.48 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: why |
| 15:02.53 | junix|work | adding the gpg key to my sources, isn't work i still get unauthenticated packets |
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| 15:03.05 | SerajewelKS | packets? |
| 15:03.08 | valdyn | junix|work: you are doing WHAT? |
| 15:03.11 | azeem | junix|work: are they from 3rd party sources? |
| 15:03.24 | Bucciarati | junix|work: read the topic ? |
| 15:03.44 | Ungy_ | Man I love apt-get dist-upgrade on sid it's like a prize bag you stick your hand in and you never know what your going to get ;-) |
| 15:03.55 | SerajewelKS | Ungy_: testing too |
| 15:04.03 | iciclebox | SerajewelKS: er, so I can choose the kernel? |
| 15:04.11 | iciclebox | but nvm I'll just get 2.6.12 now |
| 15:04.18 | Ungy_ | SerajewelKS, yeah but testing removes most fo the disgusting stuff |
| 15:04.35 | cyzie | !dpkg chroot |
| 15:04.35 | dpkg | [chroot] a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 15:04.35 | SerajewelKS | Ungy_: right, so you stick your hand in the bag and get good stuff more often =) |
| 15:04.41 | azeem | cyzie: please /msg the bot |
| 15:04.49 | cyzie | sorry |
| 15:04.52 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: you get 2.6.12 on whatever architecture |
| 15:04.52 | azeem | np |
| 15:04.59 | Ungy_ | SerajewelKS, yeah but you don;t get first crack at it nothing like writing bugs |
| 15:05.18 | junix|work | azeem: no its for the debian apt-get repositories...? |
| 15:05.30 | SerajewelKS | Ungy_: i write bug reports quite often ;) |
| 15:05.45 | azeem | junix|work: then maybe you did something wrong, did you import the public key as root? |
| 15:05.51 | junix|work | yes |
| 15:05.59 | iciclebox | Serajewel: but I don't know the package name for the 2.6.12 kernel |
| 15:06.07 | azeem | iciclebox: pdn.debian.net |
| 15:06.15 | junix|work | azeem: want me to paste it here or pastebin? |
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| 15:06.17 | SerajewelKS | iciclebox: linux-image-2.6.12-release-arch |
| 15:06.18 | Ungy_ | SerajewelKS, damn you the man/woman (whichever fits) |
| 15:06.24 | iciclebox | thanks |
| 15:06.25 | SerajewelKS | Ungy_: man |
| 15:06.33 | azeem | junix|work: a pastebin, but I don't know whether I could help you |
| 15:06.47 | junix|work | ok. |
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| 15:07.15 | junix|work | azeem: http://pastebin.com/541646 |
| 15:07.58 | buht-w | anyone running their debian box with ADS authentication/login? I have a small issue. I can authenticate and login with the domain accounts but the terminal apps show "unknown user" and some apps like firefox dont run.. do I need to manually add the domain user to the passwd file somehow? |
| 15:07.59 | azeem | junix|work: and the error message about untrusted packages? |
| 15:08.32 | junix|work | yeah.... |
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| 15:09.35 | SerajewelKS | Ungy_: e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=cdhowie@nerdshack.com |
| 15:10.09 | mrverbose | how come on one box nvu was found in testing and on another one not? both the same apt-sources and same time of apt-get update |
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| 15:11.33 | umbop | hey guys, i was wondering.. the passwd and group files, the system keeps it's own copy of them, but i was wondering where this was, obviously there's /etc/group |
| 15:11.45 | jharrisonwk | is the total at the top of ls output how many files there are? |
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| 15:12.36 | mrverbose | huh? |
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| 15:13.05 | levent | hi |
| 15:13.26 | mrverbose | jharrisonwk: no, how many files there are including subdirectories |
| 15:14.07 | jharrisonwk | mrverbose: thats what I thought |
| 15:14.25 | jharrisonwk | for some reason I cannot think of any tool that tells you how many files would be in a directory |
| 15:14.33 | jharrisonwk | guess I will have to code something to do it |
| 15:15.17 | umbop | just files? |
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| 15:15.29 | juanje15 | ola algun español |
| 15:15.36 | cahoot | umbop: /var/backups maybe |
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| 15:15.51 | jharrisonwk | umbop: yes |
| 15:16.03 | juanje15 | españoles donde estais |
| 15:16.06 | jharrisonwk | umbop: technically directories are also just files on the file system |
| 15:16.28 | juanje15 | españolesssssssssss |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:16.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:17.17 | umbop | could you not just use find ? |
| 15:17.27 | juanje15 | cual es la ultima version de linux |
| 15:17.50 | Yarou` | heh |
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| 15:18.54 | umbop | find . -type f -maxdepth 1 or something |
| 15:18.57 | umbop | | wc -l |
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| 15:20.11 | jharrisonwk | umbop: hey thats an idea |
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| 15:21.01 | loke__ | got a debian standard kernel where lvm works and one I have built my self where it doesnt , but got the devicemapper built in so realy cant see what I have missed |
| 15:21.08 | atomcomputer | hello, can I ask you a small question ? |
| 15:21.15 | streuner___ | no |
| 15:21.20 | streuner___ | just ask |
| 15:21.21 | atomcomputer | I need to forward port using ssh ;) |
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| 15:21.24 | streuner___ | don't ask to ask |
| 15:21.27 | atomcomputer | lol streuner___ |
| 15:21.28 | atomcomputer | :D |
| 15:21.29 | skiflyer | Are there postgresql 8.1 packages available for stable that I'm just not seeing? And if not, could someone help me with how to get those packages from wherever they are? |
| 15:21.30 | atomcomputer | okay |
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| 15:22.09 | atomcomputer | so, i have a problem. In my school we have port restriction, can I forward a port using windows to my server using debian ? |
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| 15:22.26 | atomcomputer | port 4444 -> internet -> server |
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| 15:22.32 | gihad | Hello, there is a package that after installed will make the esddsp command available, which package is it ? |
| 15:22.33 | neenee | good afternoon |
| 15:22.40 | atomcomputer | ( i need to use a VoIP system behin a proxy ) |
| 15:22.51 | Detox | help with wlan-ng !!! I went to DL it and there are 27 pkgs how do I know which one to use???????????????????/ |
| 15:22.52 | atomcomputer | hello neenee* |
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| 15:23.24 | neenee | i come bearing a problem. no surprise there though i suspect. |
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| 15:23.53 | _Tharok_ | wenas |
| 15:23.56 | SerajewelKS | Detox: don't go '???????????' it makes you look like a l33t h4x0r!!!!111eleventyone!! |
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| 15:24.28 | atomcomputer | no ideas ? ;) |
| 15:24.32 | neenee | for some reason, when i try to compile the 2.6.16-rc2 vanilla kernel, i get an error. some people told me that it's gcc-related. that debian adds too much version info to gcc, which makes the compile fail as it has more than 256 characters to deal with |
| 15:24.38 | Detox | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.38 | neenee | i have a paste of the error: http://pastebin.com/541668 |
| 15:24.43 | gihad | Can someone tell me how to make the "esddsp" command available |
| 15:24.56 | SerajewelKS | Detox: first ask a question that makes sense |
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| 15:25.05 | Detox | ok |
| 15:25.18 | Detox | have microsoft mn510 usb wirless |
| 15:25.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell Detox about enter |
| 15:25.31 | Detox | do not know which wlan-ng too yse |
| 15:25.34 | neenee | detox: the latest release is ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.3.tar.gz |
| 15:26.13 | neenee | but then again, it's a debian package if you do 'apt-cache search wlan-ng' |
| 15:26.26 | Detox | ahh |
| 15:26.28 | neenee | linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards |
| 15:26.32 | abrotman | atomcomputer: ask a windows channel ? |
| 15:26.40 | Detox | so then i do not needa lll 27 files then? |
| 15:26.40 | atomcomputer | abrotman: like this |
| 15:26.47 | abrotman | this is not a windows channel |
| 15:26.50 | neenee | detox: not that i know |
| 15:26.58 | neenee | detox: but i have no experience with wlan-ng myself. |
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| 15:27.22 | atomcomputer | abrotman: is it possible to use ssh and the putty proxy . |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | dunno .. try it |
| 15:27.38 | iciclebox | how can I get kernel 2.6.12 when apt-get does not have it in the cache? |
| 15:27.42 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: set up the port forward in putty |
| 15:27.46 | atomcomputer | abrotman: i've tried it, but i can only forward ssh :'( |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | iciclebox: are you on sarge or etch ? |
| 15:27.55 | iciclebox | sarge |
| 15:27.58 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: then you don't know what you're doing |
| 15:27.59 | gihad | The package is esound-clients |
| 15:27.59 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: yes, but it forward only the ssh |
| 15:28.00 | Detox | will tryy this hope it woirs |
| 15:28.00 | abrotman | atomcomputer: guess that's your answer |
| 15:28.02 | Detox | works |
| 15:28.04 | Detox | thanjs |
| 15:28.04 | abrotman | iciclebox: sarge has a 2.6.8 |
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| 15:28.17 | iciclebox | abrotman: I want to upgrade my kernel though |
| 15:28.17 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: you can forward anything over ssh. you're not doing it right. |
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| 15:28.25 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: hu ? like that http://docs.cs.byu.edu/docs/sshtunnels/3.php#2 |
| 15:28.31 | abrotman | iciclebox: grab a 2.6.12 from etch i suppose |
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| 15:28.40 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: yes I know, but i dont know what i've wrong |
| 15:28.42 | matej_ | i edited /etc/X11/XFree86.conf by hand! Where to get DEFAULT sarge XFree86.conf file? |
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| 15:28.55 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: well, putty isn't in debian. |
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| 15:29.09 | SerajewelKS | oh hey, yeah it is |
| 15:29.11 | d1zzy | lol putty :) |
| 15:29.28 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: my client is a Windows Computer, the server a debian machine and putty is a debian pakage man :D |
| 15:29.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i don't think the putty tunnel is |
| 15:29.41 | d1zzy | some people are running the posix putty port, others (like me) are running open ssh client in mingw window on winblows |
| 15:29.42 | abrotman | atomcomputer: yes .. but this is a windows problem |
| 15:29.48 | d1zzy | each one with his needs I guess :) |
| 15:29.51 | x-x-_ | matej_: google or reconfigure |
| 15:29.54 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i know that |
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| 15:30.08 | neenee | anyone on my kernel-make problem: http://pastebin.com/541668 |
| 15:30.21 | atomcomputer | abrotman: yes :'( i guess to use linux@school but i cannot use it :'/ |
| 15:30.27 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: anyway if you can't figure it out, ask in a windows channel |
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| 15:31.03 | matej_ | x-x-_: i did reconfigure, but not works anymore, couse i edit it by hand. |
| 15:31.05 | atomcomputer | okay but basicaly, this is the same problem in windows on in linux |
| 15:31.14 | abrotman | it's not a debian problem |
| 15:31.22 | atomcomputer | because i can set up the ssh tunnel but i cannot use tit |
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| 15:31.27 | ejofee | (english-related question) can somebody please explain this short phrase to me "i like things to add up"? |
| 15:31.39 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: i can't use tits either, but i don't consider that a problem right now |
| 15:31.40 | atomcomputer | abrotman: yes your right :p |
| 15:31.45 | neenee | ejofee: it means 'i like it when things make sense' |
| 15:31.46 | abrotman | atomcomputer: repeat after me .. WINDOWS IS NOT PACKAGED FOR DEBIAN |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | you're |
| 15:31.55 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: okay ;) |
| 15:32.01 | neenee | ejofee: such as 2+2=4. that makes sense. it adds up =] |
| 15:32.02 | atomcomputer | abrotman: WINDOWS IS NOT PACKAGED FOR |
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| 15:32.07 | abrotman | nice |
| 15:32.07 | ejofee | neenee: thanks a lot |
| 15:32.10 | atomcomputer | DEBIAN ;) |
| 15:32.11 | neenee | ejofee: my pleasure |
| 15:32.19 | ejofee | neenee: (i take the second remark as a joke) |
| 15:32.44 | neenee | atomcomputer: i think they blacklisted you the moment you hinted at anything windows.. even if you'd ask debian questions they'd not help :| |
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| 15:32.57 | neenee | ejofee: it was indeed. sortof =] |
| 15:32.59 | atomcomputer | abrotman: o, i've a secondary question, is it possible under debian to lunch a xserver on a debian computer |
| 15:32.59 | fireba11 | ehehe |
| 15:33.11 | neenee | ejofee: i tried to combine explaining with something funny |
| 15:33.14 | atomcomputer | but to use it only on a distant computer ? ;) |
| 15:33.23 | fireba11 | atomcomputer: got no clue how that would taste though ... |
| 15:33.23 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: vnc? |
| 15:33.24 | atomcomputer | ( or is it too crazy ? :p ) |
| 15:33.54 | SerajewelKS | neenee: if he asks a debian question, we will help |
| 15:33.59 | neenee | serajewelks: =] |
| 15:34.13 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: but vnc need a X started on the coimputer and I dont whant to lunch it, i want to exexute it on an other computer which have lunch it |
| 15:34.22 | abrotman | atomcomputer: uhm .. i think so .. i'm not sure you worded that correctly |
| 15:34.34 | atomcomputer | yes :) sorry |
| 15:34.34 | abrotman | launch .. not lunch |
| 15:34.37 | streuner___ | bbl |
| 15:34.43 | atomcomputer | client : X started and X output |
| 15:34.45 | hyde | I am dumping a file from Oracle, with very long length per line, but linux shell will always cut one such line into 2 lines, with each line having 80 chars, how to prevent this? |
| 15:34.57 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: you are not making any sense |
| 15:35.00 | atomcomputer | server : X started but no output on the screen |
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| 15:35.06 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: uch :'( |
| 15:35.07 | fireba11 | hyde: just youse exp |
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| 15:35.36 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: i's difficult to translate ideas to words ;) |
| 15:35.38 | hyde | fireba11: can you clarify? |
| 15:35.51 | fireba11 | hyde: oracle got "exp" a tool to export data |
| 15:36.11 | hyde | fireba11: I am using ldifwrite to dump all users from Oracle OID. |
| 15:36.14 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: think about what you're trying to do and write it out carefully. don't just type after thinking about it for half a second. you'll only be spouting garbage. |
| 15:36.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: lunch X mouse putty! |
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| 15:36.38 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: :'( |
| 15:36.54 | neenee | mm.. lunch |
| 15:36.55 | neenee | =] |
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| 15:36.58 | abrotman | atomcomputer: what's your native language? |
| 15:36.59 | SerajewelKS | !confuse abrotman |
| 15:36.59 | dpkg | Yes, who are our weasel yesterday, abrotman? shirts of the republic of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 15:37.13 | atomcomputer | abrotman: french ;) sorry for my badly english |
| 15:37.17 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:37.18 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:37.21 | neenee | pas de probleme =] |
| 15:37.32 | atomcomputer | neenee: cool tu es français ;) |
| 15:37.34 | abrotman | atomcomputer: if you can express yourself better in french .. might be better to ask people who speak french |
| 15:37.35 | neenee | non |
| 15:37.37 | neenee | holandais =] |
| 15:37.45 | neenee | but i agree |
| 15:37.49 | atomcomputer | neenee: okay |
| 15:37.49 | neenee | please try debian-fr =] |
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| 15:38.12 | atomcomputer | abrotman: yes i'll do that, but i've already ask to them and i get the same answer ;) |
| 15:38.32 | fireba11 | atomcomputer: what .. they told you your english sucks ? :-9 |
| 15:38.32 | abrotman | what .. that windows isn't packaged for debian ? |
| 15:38.35 | atomcomputer | like, i cannot explain correctly wwhat i whant to do ;) |
| 15:38.42 | atomcomputer | fireba11: lol :P |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | atomcomputer: tell them what'd you like to accomplish .. and ask for suggestions on how to do that |
| 15:39.10 | atomcomputer | abrotman: okay ;) |
| 15:39.23 | skiflyer | how do I list which packages I already have installed? |
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| 15:39.24 | atomcomputer | can i try it one last time ? |
| 15:39.30 | SerajewelKS | skiflyer: dpkg -l |
| 15:39.32 | abrotman | atomcomputer: for example "I'd like to run _____, but it's on a remote computer, and my _____ blocks ____. Is there a way to do ______?" |
| 15:39.37 | SerajewelKS | skiflyer: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 15:39.46 | skiflyer | SerajewelKS: Thanks, I'm always convinced it's an apt command |
| 15:39.46 | jaroug | yeah come on #debian-fr \o/ |
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| 15:40.26 | ootput | do any of you sync up your pdas to your box? |
| 15:40.37 | fireba11 | skiflyer: also dpkg --get-selections would work :-) |
| 15:40.38 | ootput | I'm trying to get my head around palm-serial-linux |
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| 15:40.55 | SerajewelKS | ootput: i do. it even works occasionally. |
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| 15:41.21 | atomcomputer | "Id like to run a X server, but it is on a remote comuter and my proxy blocks this port. Is there a way to connect to this X ? |
| 15:41.25 | ootput | SerajewelKS: mind if i ask you a few questions about setup? |
| 15:41.29 | atomcomputer | ;) |
| 15:41.45 | ootput | SerajewelKS: do you do all of this with Debian? |
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| 15:41.53 | azeem | atomcomputer: can you connect via SSH? |
| 15:42.00 | atomcomputer | yes |
| 15:42.11 | abrotman | !tell atomcomputer about sshx |
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| 15:42.25 | atomcomputer | (i'me connected throuth the proxy right now ) |
| 15:42.56 | SerajewelKS | ootput: yes |
| 15:43.17 | SerajewelKS | atomcomputer: do you understand how tunnels work? |
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| 15:43.42 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: a bit .. |
| 15:44.06 | atomcomputer | SerajewelKS: can you "pakage" a protocol in one other with tunnels? |
| 15:44.20 | ootput | SerajewelKS: does dmesg show anything in particular when the cradle is connected to the computer with the palm attached? |
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| 15:44.29 | atomcomputer | ( is my english is so bad? ) |
| 15:44.37 | ootput | SerajewelKS: i'm still trying to verify that my system has indeed found the device |
| 15:44.40 | fireba11 | atomcomputer: sometimes |
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| 15:44.45 | ejofee | neenee :) |
| 15:44.55 | SerajewelKS | ootput: it will only find the device during a hotsync |
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| 15:45.16 | SerajewelKS | ootput: when the palm is sitting in the cradle not doing a hotsync, it's not talking to the computer and hence the computer does not notice it. |
| 15:45.23 | ootput | SerajewelKS: are you using coldsync, or some gui crap? |
| 15:46.05 | ootput | gotcha |
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| 15:46.41 | atomcomputer | so, i'll search more doc about ssh tunneling and X window, thank you very much for your help ! |
| 15:46.49 | atomcomputer | have a nice day, bye all :p |
| 15:47.02 | atomcomputer | (and sorry for the enconvenient) |
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| 15:47.52 | SerajewelKS | ootput: i use kpilot in backup mode, so i can view my palm data with korganizer |
| 15:48.15 | SerajewelKS | ootput: kpilot has problems syncing, which is why i only do backups |
| 15:48.41 | ootput | SerajewelKS: i suppose the gnome and kde frontends would do a better job |
| 15:48.52 | ootput | but i'm trying to avoid any heavy dependencies |
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| 15:48.55 | SerajewelKS | ootput: not necessarily better |
| 15:49.02 | SerajewelKS | ootput: pilot-link works quite well if all you need is a backup |
| 15:49.16 | SerajewelKS | ootput: if you want to view that data on the computer it's a bit more challenging with any text-mode program |
| 15:49.49 | r00723r0 | hi, whats the nvidia driver package? |
| 15:49.53 | ootput | SerajewelKS: yeah |
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| 15:50.33 | ootput | SerajewelKS: atm, it'll only be used for memos, and as a terminal for my debian box |
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| 15:50.43 | r00723r0 | ? |
| 15:50.47 | r00723r0 | whats the nvidia driver package? |
| 15:50.57 | r00723r0 | nvidia-glx isnt there (im using amd64) |
| 15:51.14 | ledet | !tell r00723r0 about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:53.26 | r00723r0 | whoa dude |
| 15:53.35 | fireba11 | ? |
| 15:53.49 | r00723r0 | ledet, thats a load of... |
| 15:53.50 | r00723r0 | stuff? |
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| 15:54.22 | SerajewelKS | r00723r0: run it as root and you will be happy |
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| 15:54.52 | ledet | robs: |
| 15:54.59 | ledet | r00723r0: yes... but it works |
| 15:55.22 | ledet | r00723r0: alternatively you can read this: |
| 15:55.27 | r00723r0 | no, thats ok |
| 15:55.30 | ledet | !tell r00723r0 about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 15:55.54 | ledet | r00723r0: the important part being: don't use nvidias installer |
| 15:56.09 | r00723r0 | lol, roger |
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| 15:56.28 | mishmash | I've got an debian server running with 2.6 kernel. But now i want to add an simple GUI to it like KDE or even something simpeler. What are the things i'm going to need? |
| 15:56.46 | pipeline | mishmash: x-window-system , gnome-desktop-environment |
| 15:56.56 | fireba11 | for example |
| 15:57.09 | mishmash | so, apt-get install X is requered |
| 15:57.39 | pipeline | mishmash: Those were the names of the packages. |
| 15:57.45 | pipeline | mishmash: There's no package named "X" |
| 15:57.46 | mishmash | ok thanks :) |
| 15:57.49 | mishmash | sorry |
| 15:58.03 | pipeline | mishmash: You'll probably also want a display manager. For example, "gdm" or "xdm" |
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| 15:58.07 | pipeline | mishmash: "kdm" is awful; avoid it. |
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| 15:58.25 | loke_ | how do I make an initrd for a newly built kernel |
| 15:58.26 | mishmash | An old friend of mine used an very basic GUI |
| 15:58.32 | mishmash | but i forgot the name :( |
| 15:58.40 | pipeline | mishmash: X11 is about it. |
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| 15:58.42 | loke_ | mkinitrd just makes one for the booted kernel |
| 15:58.49 | resiak | !debian kernel images |
| 15:58.50 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 15:58.50 | pipeline | mishmash: There's also "mgr", but I don't think it's packaged for sarge... |
| 15:58.58 | mishmash | ok |
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| 15:59.05 | pipeline | mishmash: That's old, anyway. |
| 15:59.06 | mishmash | well i'm going to try it out :) |
| 15:59.10 | fhffhqvb | i need something that will do an ifdown interface, ifup interface when an IP doesn't return icmp ping replies anymore, i vaguely recall there being such a program in the potato days, but i can't seem to find it with apt-cache |
| 15:59.12 | pipeline | mishmash: mgr? hahahah, good luck. |
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| 15:59.17 | pipeline | mishmash: It's eighties shit. |
| 15:59.18 | mishmash | not mgr :P |
| 15:59.36 | mishmash | fluxbox |
| 15:59.44 | mishmash | that's what that old friend of mine used! |
| 16:00.01 | pipeline | mishmash: That's not a "gui." It's just a window manager. |
| 16:00.04 | andyjstormont | anyone know how to install dll's into wine? |
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| 16:00.16 | mishmash | all i need is to run an mp3 program :) |
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| 16:00.22 | fhffhqvb | andyjstormont: it's in the docs |
| 16:00.43 | JA3 | esto funciona en castellano |
| 16:00.45 | pipeline | mishmash: You can run mpd without needing a GUI. And you can run any X application you like without having a local head. e.g. Xming for windows. |
| 16:00.51 | pipeline | JA3: #debian-es |
| 16:00.52 | fhffhqvb | JA3: nein. |
| 16:00.53 | andyjstormont | I'll just go find those docs then |
| 16:01.07 | jaroug | fluxbox rox mishmash :) |
| 16:01.08 | pipeline | andyjstormont: tip: winecfg |
| 16:01.14 | pipeline | jaroug: rox rocks :P |
| 16:01.15 | loke_ | resiak: well as it happens I do know what I did just never had to use a initrd before |
| 16:01.23 | mishmash | mpd is an mp3 program? |
| 16:01.35 | jaroug | pipeline: naaaa |
| 16:01.39 | pipeline | mishmash: mpd: "music playing daemon" |
| 16:01.57 | mishmash | i'm going to try it out :) |
| 16:02.08 | pipeline | mishmash: You use various front-ends to control it. There's a web frontend, a couple for windows, a couple for X11, etc |
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| 16:02.32 | raden | why do places still sell debian 1.3r8 ? |
| 16:02.35 | mishmash | :D |
| 16:02.41 | fireba11 | raden: sell ? |
| 16:02.42 | mishmash | thanx pipeline!! |
| 16:02.45 | r00723r0 | why not xorg, why xfree86? |
| 16:02.49 | jaroug | anyone try bmpx ? |
| 16:02.51 | Sonny | hello, I have an audigy 2 zs sound card with a 7.1 sound system.... the problem is that I can't use the sound system in debian, why not? |
| 16:02.53 | pipeline | raden: Why not? |
| 16:02.57 | jaroug | it really rox |
| 16:02.57 | mishmash | now the last thing i need is to get my shoutcast running :P |
| 16:03.00 | pipeline | r00723r0: Xorg didn't make it in in time. |
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| 16:03.12 | r00723r0 | but you do agree that xorg is better? |
| 16:03.16 | pipeline | r00723r0: No. |
| 16:03.26 | fireba11 | Sonny: as far as i recall the zs thingies got problems with linux |
| 16:03.28 | r00723r0 | lol, ok man |
| 16:03.30 | pipeline | r00723r0: I still use XFree86 4.3 on my laptop because Xorg is riddled with regressions :| |
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| 16:03.45 | raden | fireba11, i mean like cheapbytes and stuff |
| 16:03.47 | maec | hi |
| 16:03.50 | pipeline | r00723r0: (And I'm too lazy to upgrade to XF86 4.5 :P) |
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| 16:03.54 | r00723r0 | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. # |
| 16:03.54 | r00723r0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.54 | r00723r0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.54 | r00723r0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.09 | r00723r0 | sorry |
| 16:04.30 | fireba11 | raden: no clue ... that's horribly outdated |
| 16:04.31 | r00723r0 | should have went to #flood :( |
| 16:04.37 | raden | fireba11, i know |
| 16:04.38 | r00723r0 | anyway, what do i do? |
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| 16:04.44 | raden | its what i was using i htink like 7 years ago |
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| 16:04.50 | Amarande | raden: I USED Bo a couple times. |
| 16:05.07 | Amarande | I still remember how the default identd had a bug that would kill both it and inetd whenever you got port scanned on 113. |
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| 16:05.24 | maec | i ve a problem with mplayer.. playin stuff from shoutcast (its AAC+ -codec should be included in w32codecs) .. i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/4226 -> no sound at all.. could someone help? |
| 16:05.30 | Sonny | fireball, what kind of problems?, my soud card works... but not when I connect the sound system... maybe because its not activated the multichannel? |
| 16:05.32 | andyjstormont | pipline: I need to install some dll's to make winecfg work (I fecked it up some how) |
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| 16:06.26 | fireba11 | Sonny: hm .. don't know .. got no experience with sound in debian :-P |
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| 16:06.31 | TauPan | Hi, I've got the problem that installation of 3 unrelated packages fails with the same error. All three (chipcard-tools, libchipcard2-tools and oidentd) try to add GID 118 to my /etc/group, which already exists (group postdrop, created by the postfix package). I wonder where to file a bugreport or how to fix this. |
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| 16:07.00 | TauPan | groupadd: GID 118 is not unique |
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| 16:07.33 | Sonny | does somebody use a 5.1 or 7.1 sound system in debian? |
| 16:07.34 | jfs | !bts |
| 16:07.34 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 16:08.11 | r00723r0 | hi, i'm trying to install nvidia drivers, but i have no clue what to do - i get this message (#flood) |
| 16:08.19 | maec | !mplayer |
| 16:08.19 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 16:09.17 | r00723r0 | wow |
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| 16:09.23 | bbrazil | second one today |
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| 16:09.26 | fhffhqvb | kawfee is boring. |
| 16:09.28 | r00723r0 | thats sad |
| 16:09.28 | JMTeal | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 1783: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:09.30 | maec | !mplayer faq |
| 16:09.30 | dpkg | The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 16:09.33 | JMTeal | what's that all about? |
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| 16:09.39 | r00723r0 | join floods |
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| 16:09.47 | r00723r0 | trying to take over the channel or something |
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| 16:10.16 | JMTeal | what a fucking douchebag |
| 16:10.21 | r00723r0 | how do you know you arent getting innocents? |
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| 16:10.31 | Amarande | JMTeal: now, you know that swearing raises the channel temperature :) |
| 16:10.32 | TauPan | reporting a bug against either chipcard or oidentd seems unappropriate since the bug occurs with both packages, which have no relation to each other and I rather suspect the problem is caused by an entirely unrelated package. (debconf comes to mind) |
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| 16:10.49 | Amarande | r00723r0: freenode has a policy in place for innocents who get caught in K-lines |
| 16:10.53 | JMTeal | uh yeah dude... whatever |
| 16:11.03 | JMTeal | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 1783: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:11.04 | Amarande | though I'm sure improper K-lines raise the channel temperature :/ |
| 16:11.07 | JMTeal | how do i fix this |
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| 16:11.10 | r00723r0 | anyway |
| 16:11.14 | r00723r0 | im having driver issues |
| 16:11.24 | r00723r0 | i did the nvidia one-liner thingie |
| 16:11.40 | r00723r0 | but there is no package with nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 16:11.47 | r00723r0 | cry |
| 16:11.50 | ezu5t | hello - I was just doing a "top" and one of the categories for the CPU usage is "hi", as in 6.0% us, 4.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 1.0% wa, 87.7% hi, 0.7% si. What does the "hi" mean in top? |
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| 16:12.25 | JMTeal | i would assume the proc's peak... it's high... |
| 16:12.26 | JMTeal | ? |
| 16:12.27 | rikkus | hi |
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| 16:12.35 | maec | >>Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 16:12.42 | maec | what the hell is this? |
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| 16:13.02 | JMTeal | no really can anyone help with this cron issue?? |
| 16:13.06 | ezu5t | JMTeal - it goes waaay up while I am doing an rsync, and as soon as I suspend rsync, the number goes down to 0 again. |
| 16:13.32 | JMTeal | what's the process? |
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| 16:13.41 | Supaplex | rsync is i/o, cpu and network intensive. it's by design. |
| 16:13.50 | rikkus | I did apt-get dist-upgrade, and it wants to install exim and remove qmail. I don't want it to do that. I used a dpkg command to tell it to 'hold' the exim packages, but this seems to cause other problems. apt wants to remove courier-imap, for example. |
| 16:13.50 | JMTeal | there ya go.. |
| 16:13.57 | Ries | [OT] really off topic :D Anybody know a good alternative for formmail.pl ? |
| 16:14.08 | ezu5t | Supaplex - obviously the "hi" is something to do with i/o |
| 16:14.12 | rikkus | is there a way to tell apt that I don't want it to uninstall qmail or courier-imap? |
| 16:14.20 | ezu5t | but why is it called "hi" |
| 16:14.28 | JMTeal | HIGH |
| 16:14.36 | JMTeal | ? |
| 16:14.46 | Supaplex | well, there is an rsync mailing list |
| 16:14.59 | r00723r0 | please help |
| 16:15.01 | ezu5t | this is not an rsync process |
| 16:15.05 | ezu5t | this is something TOP is reporting |
| 16:15.19 | r00723r0 | i know i know |
| 16:15.20 | Sonny | does somebody know how to make a creative sound card work in multichannel? |
| 16:15.21 | JMTeal | anyone know what thos means? cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 1783: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:15.30 | r00723r0 | there is no package "nvidia-kernel-sources" |
| 16:15.44 | rikkus | JMTeal: crod is already running? |
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| 16:15.48 | rikkus | *cron |
| 16:15.49 | r00723r0 | what do i do? |
| 16:15.56 | JMTeal | yeah... |
| 16:16.01 | JMTeal | wait... |
| 16:16.02 | JMTeal | nm |
| 16:16.07 | ezu5t | r00723r0 - apt-cache search nvidia |
| 16:16.14 | JMTeal | i am such an idiot.. |
| 16:16.41 | Supaplex | JMTeal: we will quote you on that, and out of context. ;-D |
| 16:16.44 | r00723r0 | !tell ezu5t about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:16.53 | r00723r0 | !tell supaplex about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:17.06 | r00723r0 | its there |
| 16:17.07 | r00723r0 | for sure |
| 16:17.13 | r00723r0 | but why dont i have it? |
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| 16:18.28 | ezu5t | r00723r0 - what kernel version? |
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| 16:18.33 | r00723r0 | 2.6 |
| 16:18.45 | r00723r0 | 2.6.8-11 |
| 16:19.20 | r00723r0 | im running sarge amd64 |
| 16:19.23 | SimonRaven | spam bot problem again eh |
| 16:19.31 | ezu5t | i see nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-2-686 |
| 16:19.51 | SimonRaven | nice to see the d-lines there :) |
| 16:19.58 | ezu5t | on debian, usuallly I only see one version for a specific 2.6.x kernel |
| 16:20.05 | ezu5t | and that's usually fairly current |
| 16:20.20 | ezu5t | if you have an older one you may need to get it from a CD somewhere |
| 16:20.25 | ezu5t | or rebuild your kernel to 2.6.14 |
| 16:20.32 | ezu5t | if you want to use the one-liner, that is |
| 16:20.39 | ezu5t | maybe it would be easier to just download the drivers and compile them |
| 16:21.06 | MrNaz | anybody able to help me set up software raid in the install process of debian? |
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| 16:21.30 | pipeline | MrNaz: You must create partitions marked "RAID autodetect" or something along those lines. |
| 16:21.36 | pipeline | MrNaz: You will then see the option to create RAID arrays. |
| 16:21.46 | lasat_ | hello. have somebody experience with the xfree radeon driver? is the driver limited to 1024x768? |
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| 16:22.18 | pipeline | lasat_: The open source one is definitely not limited in that way. I know as little as possible about the ATI proprietary fglrx or whatever. |
| 16:22.27 | MrNaz | pipeline where do i create those partitions? thats not an available option in any of the menus ive seen |
| 16:22.31 | rikkus | apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove courier-imap, but I need it to read email. Is it possible to tell apt that it shouldn't do that? |
| 16:22.40 | pipeline | MrNaz: In the disk partitioner. |
| 16:22.52 | lasat_ | pipeline: are there 2 drivers? where can i get the open one? |
| 16:22.52 | pipeline | rikkus: Why don't you do an "upgrade" instead of a "dist-upgrade", then? |
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| 16:23.06 | pipeline | lasat_: If you didn't go through lots of pain and suffering, you're using the open one now :p |
| 16:23.21 | MrNaz | pipeline thats where i was looking... ok i'll try it again |
| 16:23.22 | pipeline | lasat_: By the way: the KDE / Gnome applets that change screen resolution |
| 16:23.27 | rikkus | pipeline: I could, but that does nothing except say that 75 packages have been kept back |
| 16:23.41 | lasat_ | pipeline: no good message... |
| 16:23.44 | pipeline | rikkus: Well, it's clearly removing it for a reason. You're probably on sid. You'll just have to wait |
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| 16:23.46 | pipeline | lasat_: Huh? |
| 16:23.51 | rikkus | pipeline: ok, thanks |
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| 16:24.01 | pipeline | lasat_: The point is, you can't change your resolution to be something higher than the default resolution using the kde/gnome applets. |
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| 16:24.13 | pipeline | lasat_: You have to change your X configuration to increase the maximum resolution... |
| 16:24.36 | pipeline | MrNaz: You enter the disk as if you were going to create any other partition. |
| 16:24.52 | pipeline | MrNaz: Then when it asks you what kind of partition you want to create, you say "RAID autodetect" or "md partition" or something. |
| 16:25.08 | pipeline | MrNaz: When you have more than one RAID-auto partition created, it'll give you the option to configure RAID. |
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| 16:25.41 | TauPan | I wonder how the mechanism for adding groups/users on package installation works, because obviously it fails in my case. |
| 16:25.46 | MrNaz | pipeline running the installer now |
| 16:26.09 | lasat_ | pipeline: ive got a message: valide modes must be between 320x200-1280x800 |
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| 16:26.36 | pipeline | lasat_: Uh, where are you getting this message? What are you trying to do. |
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| 16:27.13 | r00723r0 | how do i disable rivafb in the kernel? |
| 16:27.25 | Amarande | r00723r0: try "rmmod rivafb" as root |
| 16:27.29 | r00723r0 | roger |
| 16:27.32 | Amarande | be careful |
| 16:27.40 | lasat_ | pipeline: i try a resolution of 1680x1050 (16:11) |
| 16:27.42 | Amarande | if X is running, it may exit spontaneously if you take out video related drivers :) |
| 16:27.48 | r00723r0 | no, it isnt |
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| 16:27.50 | r00723r0 | trying to make it run |
| 16:27.51 | r00723r0 | ERROR: Module rivafb does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 16:27.52 | pipeline | lasat_: With what? Exactly what are you doing? |
| 16:28.05 | Amarande | then you don't have rivafb installed |
| 16:28.16 | r00723r0 | ... |
| 16:28.22 | r00723r0 | but its telling me i need to disable it |
| 16:28.24 | lasat_ | lasat: but also resolution of 1024x768 give me errors |
| 16:28.28 | pipeline | lasat_: Hello? |
| 16:28.35 | pipeline | lasat_: What gave you errors? What are you doing? |
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| 16:29.03 | TauPan | hm, no idea? |
| 16:29.34 | pipeline | TauPan: Uh, usually they just use the useradd / userdel commands, IIRC |
| 16:29.38 | lasat_ | pipeline: i channge the XF86Config and added subsection for higher modes... |
| 16:30.09 | lasat_ | they ignore my mode and use lower one |
| 16:30.17 | TauPan | pipeline: yes, but apparently there is some way they search for the next available GID, which in my case turns up with an existing one... I'm just trying to remove/install the packages in question. |
| 16:30.31 | TauPan | adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 118 chipcard' returned error code 4. Aborting. |
| 16:31.01 | mishmash | I want to add an SB 128PCI to my server, but what module should i add to my kernel for that? |
| 16:31.06 | r00723r0 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319544 |
| 16:31.12 | mishmash | sound blaster 128pci sound card |
| 16:31.17 | r00723r0 | he gets the exact same issues as me |
| 16:31.24 | pipeline | lasat_: And then what? |
| 16:31.26 | r00723r0 | but how do i check $CC if its valid? |
| 16:31.29 | r00723r0 | what do i do? |
| 16:31.35 | r00723r0 | he states the problem but not a fix |
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| 16:32.09 | MrNaz | pipeline ok done... dunno how i missed the option before heh.... umm.. is it possible to do raid0+1 or raid10 ? |
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| 16:32.31 | TauPan | I've checked the format of my /etc/group file but it looks ok. |
| 16:32.35 | pipeline | MrNaz: Yeah. It's just not obvious how you do it. Just fool around with it. You'll figure it out with trial and error, I assure you. |
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| 16:33.15 | MrNaz | pipeline yea i tried creating two raid0 arrays but then when i try to mirror them it says "no more free raid partitions" |
| 16:33.26 | MrNaz | i'll try striping across two mirrors... |
| 16:33.53 | lasat_ | pipeline: the xserver starts with 1024x768...? what for information want you? |
| 16:34.13 | pipeline | lasat_: So, when you start the X server, it gives you errors? That's what I wanted to hear the first time. |
| 16:34.17 | pipeline | MrNaz: Make more RAID partitions :P |
| 16:34.34 | pipeline | MrNaz: You may have to create partitions inside the RAID devices that appear after you configure RAID... |
| 16:34.35 | MrNaz | holy crap... you're right, its NOT obvious at all... |
| 16:34.46 | MrNaz | you make a raid1 partition, and say "use 2 with 2 spare" |
| 16:34.49 | pipeline | MrNaz: Beware: There's a difference between regular "md" devices and "partitionable" md devices. |
| 16:34.58 | pipeline | lasat_: Is this on a laptop, perhaps? |
| 16:35.03 | MrNaz | pipeline got a url explaining the difference? |
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| 16:35.30 | pipeline | MrNaz: No. |
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| 16:35.57 | pipeline | MrNaz: By default, when you create an md device, the kernel won't look for a partition table on it. I've never done RAID 1+0 with md, so I'm not really sure how it's done. |
| 16:36.07 | pipeline | MrNaz: Have you considered using RAID5 with hot spares, or RAID6 with hot spares? |
| 16:36.17 | lasat_ | pipeline: ok no error, only warnings. yes its a laptop? why? |
| 16:36.25 | pipeline | lasat_: That just made things a lot more complicated :( |
| 16:36.42 | lasat_ | pipeline: oh no... |
| 16:36.43 | pipeline | lasat_: Here's the thing: XF86 isn't smart enough to make resolutions with weird aspect ratios "just work" out of the box. |
| 16:37.04 | pipeline | lasat_: XF86 "expects" all resolutions to be either 4:3 or 5:4, and things get weird when you want stuff like 1280x800. |
| 16:37.17 | pipeline | lasat_: It won't let you go over 1024x768 because your monitor only supports 800 pixels vertically |
| 16:37.27 | pipeline | lasat_: and XF86 isn't smart enough to do 1280x800 out of the box. |
| 16:37.40 | pipeline | lasat_: You'll probably have to find a "modeline" for your specific laptop ... |
| 16:37.45 | mishmash | 1 more stupid question: I've build myself a new kernel (make bzImage && make modules_install), but how do i add that kernel to my grub? :P i'm used to work with lilo |
| 16:37.53 | pipeline | mishmash: It is, indeed, a stupid question. |
| 16:38.00 | MrNaz | pipeline its a DB server, as raid0+1 and 10 are both much faster esp for writes ive selected either of those as the one to use |
| 16:38.08 | mishmash | come on pipeline, help me out here :P |
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| 16:38.17 | lasat_ | pipeline: ok? ive tried some i ve found through google. but no chance... |
| 16:38.20 | jfs | mishmash: there's a menu.lst for grub, see man grub |
| 16:38.34 | pipeline | MrNaz: I'm afraid I don't know how to do it :( |
| 16:38.43 | pipeline | lasat_: Eeesh. What notebook do you have? |
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| 16:38.46 | pipeline | mishmash: No. That's a stupid question. |
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| 16:38.56 | lasat_ | pipeline: hp compaq nx7010 |
| 16:38.57 | MrNaz | pipeline thats ok you've been a great help anyway... i'll keep playing perhaps i can figure it out |
| 16:39.01 | pipeline | mishmash: And if you were using debian kernel images, it wouldn't be a question anyawy. |
| 16:39.06 | ejofee | (english-related; i promise it's the last one) what's a 4-11 in police slang? |
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| 16:39.24 | MrNaz | pipeline the advantage i have is that i have the server for a few days and i can afford to install/format a few times over to get it right |
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| 16:41.26 | boonle | any debian devs here? |
| 16:41.26 | pipeline | ejofee: I have no bloody idea. "four one one" is the number to call the information service with AT&T... |
| 16:41.43 | djp | I receive the following error message when i click on the Audio/Video properties tab of any file under gnome... There was an error while trying to create the view named 'Audio/Video': System exception: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0. Can anyone advise? |
| 16:41.47 | ejofee | pipeline: i see. thanks. |
| 16:42.05 | pipeline | lasat_: I think I found what you need. |
| 16:42.15 | pipeline | lasat_: The "monitor" section in this file http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/joakim/nx7010/XF86Config has a modeline that should work |
| 16:42.27 | pipeline | lasat_: Don't copy the entire file, just the monitor section. |
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| 16:42.53 | pipeline | djp: ooh, that's ugly :| |
| 16:42.53 | afaict | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.08 | chealer | !tell boonle about polls |
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| 16:43.44 | lasat_ | pipeline: thank you, i try it... |
| 16:43.57 | boonle | lol |
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| 16:44.04 | djp | pipeline, how do you mean? should i be worried? |
| 16:44.16 | boonle | is it planned to integrate apache2.2 in debian? |
| 16:44.17 | r00723r0 | im getting issues doing the nvidia one-liner |
| 16:44.23 | znoG | hi. I've just upgraded from XFree86 to Xorg, and rxvt has stopped working. I get the following error: |
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| 16:44.24 | r00723r0 | it tells me: |
| 16:44.26 | znoG | $ rxvt |
| 16:44.28 | znoG | urxvt: can't get colour 'Black', continuing without. |
| 16:44.31 | znoG | urxvt: can't get colour 'Black', continuing without. |
| 16:44.33 | znoG | urxvt: unable to get foreground/background colour, aborting. |
| 16:44.36 | znoG | any ideas? |
| 16:44.38 | rikkus | that's because black isn't a colour |
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| 16:44.53 | znoG | not just rxvt, my WM seems to have lost a couple of colours too. |
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| 16:44.56 | rikkus | everyone knows that |
| 16:44.57 | r00723r0 | dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper ¦ |
| 16:44.57 | r00723r0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.00 | r00723r0 | what do i do? |
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| 16:46.07 | pipeline | djp: No, probably not. I just doubt you're going to figure out the problem. Sounds like you're just missing a specific Bonobo component. |
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| 16:46.25 | pipeline | r00723r0: Nothing. |
| 16:46.30 | pipeline | r00723r0: That's just a warning. |
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| 16:46.35 | r00723r0 | it stops me... |
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| 16:48.37 | I386 | how to burn mp3 under gnome |
| 16:48.52 | I386 | anybody? |
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| 16:51.24 | tombs | hi all |
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| 16:52.19 | TauPan | hmkay... if nobody has any idea, I guess I'll better leave |
| 16:52.31 | nsingh | about? |
| 16:52.31 | djp | pipeline, it looks like it is a known bug in debian, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2005-January/010661.html |
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| 16:52.58 | TauPan | /lastlog TauPan |
| 16:52.59 | TauPan | ? |
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| 16:53.06 | pipeline | I386: nautilus-cd-burner or something like that |
| 16:53.22 | pengol | hi there ... is there a default location for a shared filesystem? |
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| 16:53.25 | pipeline | djp: hmm, my "audio/video" page works. |
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| 16:53.48 | pipeline | djp: You're probably just missing a specific component. I wouldn't sweat it. |
| 16:53.54 | djp | pipeline, are you using totem-xine? i am running 3.1 stable here as well... |
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| 16:54.36 | pipeline | djp: I'm not running stable |
| 16:54.47 | pipeline | djp: So that's probably what it is right there :P |
| 16:54.59 | djp | pipeline, :) |
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| 16:57.14 | djp | pipeline, thanks for the help by the way... it is my version of totem-xine, the later versions fix the bug. |
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| 16:58.52 | jfs | is there a simple drawing tool available? not as full-featured as the gimp or such tools, just a simple tool to draw some lines or squares and such? |
| 16:59.14 | mrex | jfs, dia |
| 16:59.17 | Red_Cloud | I am downloading Debian Testing. The files are being saved to /usr/bin. During download of iso 6 I get the error message "no space left on device". What is this? |
| 17:00.02 | mrex | Red_Cloud, you hard drive is full |
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| 17:01.37 | Red_Cloud | I have 50 Gb on my hard drive. It is hardly full. I have had this OS for about a month. I move the 5 previous iso images to another folder and the download then will continue. What gives? |
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| 17:02.04 | Amarande | Red_Cloud: pastebin a df |
| 17:02.06 | RichiH | Red_Cloud: df -h |
| 17:02.09 | Amarande | and then tell us where you're trying to download the files to |
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| 17:02.52 | Amarande | heh, I've only had this OS for about a week and I've already used 11G |
| 17:02.56 | Amarande | sure you haven't run out of room? :) |
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| 17:03.06 | ronin | Amarande: stop dling pr0n then |
| 17:03.22 | Amarande | ronin: actually Neverwinter Nights takes about 2GB |
| 17:03.29 | jfs | !apt-porn |
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| 17:03.48 | jfs | deleted? :/ |
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| 17:04.02 | RichiH | i thought it was porn-get? |
| 17:04.11 | jfs | uh, you're right |
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| 17:04.17 | jfs | :-) |
| 17:04.18 | Amarande | porn wouldn't take up 11G, anyway |
| 17:04.32 | Red_Cloud | Amarande and RichiH Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 17:04.33 | Red_Cloud | /dev/hda2 6.5G 3.8G 2.4G 62% / |
| 17:04.35 | Red_Cloud | tmpfs 379M 8.0K 379M 1% /dev/shm |
| 17:04.35 | r00723r0 | Amarandesorry to say |
| 17:04.37 | Red_Cloud | /dev/hda6 50G 2.5G 45G 6% /home |
| 17:04.37 | r00723r0 | but you are wrong |
| 17:04.47 | r00723r0 | porn can take up around 100gb |
| 17:04.52 | RichiH | !paster |
| 17:04.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 17:04.52 | jfs | dpkg: tell Red_Cloud about paste |
| 17:04.53 | r00723r0 | (dvds) |
| 17:05.06 | Amarande | I think porn usually involves more like 42G or 44G, rather than 11G. :) |
| 17:05.14 | r00723r0 | lol |
| 17:05.21 | I386 | how to burn an mp3 disk under gnome? |
| 17:05.31 | I386 | anybody |
| 17:05.41 | RichiH | Red_Cloud: and you download them where? |
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| 17:05.52 | mrex | Red_Cloud, you only have 2.4G in /usr/bin then |
| 17:05.57 | r00723r0 | will debian x86 work completely correctly under amd64? |
| 17:05.59 | buht-w | anyone know what I'm missing? I login to the PC using domain authentication successfully, then when I open any terminal, Eterm, gnome terminal. my prompt says "I have no name!@serverhosthere#" . do I need to somehow link the domain username to the passwd file? |
| 17:06.04 | mrex | rather download it to your home directory |
| 17:06.07 | azeem | I386: you mean burn an audio CD from mp3s? |
| 17:06.08 | Amarande | Anyway, I don't download porn especially much, and what I do download is stills. It'd take me a long time to use up that much space with .JPG files. |
| 17:06.10 | RichiH | indeed |
| 17:06.15 | I386 | no |
| 17:06.17 | jfs | I386: apt-cache search burn cd |
| 17:06.20 | I386 | mp3 disk |
| 17:06.22 | MrNaz | r00723r0 yes |
| 17:06.33 | r00723r0 | no performance decrease? |
| 17:06.43 | Red_Cloud | I was not trying to spam this chat but give the info quickly. I was of the understanding that I was allowed 5 lines of paste before it was considered spam |
| 17:06.44 | azeem | I386: what is that? |
| 17:06.55 | azeem | I386: just a regalar data CD with only mp3s on it? |
| 17:07.00 | jfs | data disc |
| 17:07.05 | Red_Cloud | I am downloading to /usr/bin. I was unaware that folders had size limitations. |
| 17:07.13 | r00723r0 | they dont, partitions do |
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| 17:07.20 | azeem | Red_Cloud: maybe it puts it into /tmp temporarily |
| 17:07.25 | I386 | i mean a disk in mp3 format |
| 17:07.33 | jackan | What to do if a have a server with 1 cpu and now i putted in another one... so no i got 2 cpus and i wonder how to get debian to find the other cpu ? |
| 17:07.34 | azeem | I386: mp3 is a file format |
| 17:07.35 | mrex | Red_Cloud, your folders to not have limitations |
| 17:07.38 | degantyll | I get a removal error with dpkg, and I can't get rid of that package, what can I do? =( |
| 17:07.41 | mrex | you have partitioned your drive |
| 17:07.43 | I386 | yes |
| 17:07.49 | azeem | degantyll: paste the error to a pastebin |
| 17:07.52 | azeem | !paster |
| 17:07.52 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 17:07.52 | mrex | i386, try k3b |
| 17:07.55 | Red_Cloud | azeem, yes it puts it into a temp file. I am using jigdo-lite |
| 17:08.03 | jjazz | I386: gnomebaker is probably what you want. |
| 17:08.05 | I386 | will it play under a player if it were a data disk? |
| 17:08.10 | degantyll | on my way |
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| 17:08.44 | azeem | I386: depends on the player |
| 17:09.08 | metaperl | how canI find out the name of the open office binary for the writer application in debian/testing? |
| 17:09.17 | degantyll | here |
| 17:09.19 | degantyll | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.21 | jjazz | metaperl: oowriter |
| 17:09.23 | I386 | how to enable it in gnome baker |
| 17:09.43 | I386 | it supports audio cd only it seems |
| 17:09.47 | metaperl | jjazz: thanks |
| 17:09.52 | mrex | metaperl: apt-cache search openoffice |
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| 17:10.03 | abrotman | I386: not at all .. burn it as data instead of audio |
| 17:10.05 | jfs | I386: just burn a data disc with your mp3s within their folders using joliet extensions, every player not years outdated should play them |
| 17:10.22 | azeem | degantyll: you will have to inspect /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash-theme-mylittletux.prerm and see what likely fails |
| 17:10.29 | jackan | What to do if a have a server with 1 cpu and now i putted in another one... so no i got 2 cpus and i wonder how to get debian to find the other cpu ? |
| 17:10.36 | degantyll | azeem, checking it... |
| 17:10.48 | King_Brad | what is the imap server callde in debian? |
| 17:11.04 | dr1v3r | brad get out :P |
| 17:11.07 | jjazz | King_Brad: there's a few, but dovecot is one |
| 17:11.18 | I386 | ok thnx i ll try |
| 17:11.27 | King_Brad | :) |
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| 17:11.50 | degantyll | azeem, you mean like going step by step on the script? |
| 17:12.02 | azeem | degantyll: or commenting out thing which might be broken |
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| 17:12.17 | starfishy | king_brad: apt-cache search imap |
| 17:12.20 | starfishy | take your pick |
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| 17:12.21 | azeem | or adding debugging info, like "echo 'we are going to do this now'" |
| 17:12.36 | degantyll | oh, I'll try that now |
| 17:12.39 | azeem | degantyll: or just "exit 0" at the beginning, if you think the script isn't doing anything important |
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| 17:13.05 | mrex | i've installed the ipmasq package, but i want to set the firewall to block all http (port 80) traffic and only allow access to http via the proxy. The /etc/ipmasq/rules files seem to be quite messy. what's a nice way to do this? |
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| 17:13.35 | degantyll | it has an exit 0; unless you mean i substitute the whole script for the exit 0 |
| 17:13.40 | jfs | mrex: setup a transparent proxy? |
| 17:14.08 | azeem | degantyll: well, put it to the top I mean |
| 17:14.14 | azeem | so it has no chance to fail |
| 17:14.17 | azeem | that's a hack of course |
| 17:14.31 | mrex | jfs, transparent proxy? i've got a home network and i want to limit access using a proxy |
| 17:14.57 | mrex | so i need to make sure the only way to connect to the web is through this proxy |
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| 17:15.13 | mrex | but i don't want anyone else (other than the local network) using it |
| 17:15.14 | dr1v3r | guys is the imap extension the actual imap server or is it reffering to something else other than the server itself? |
| 17:15.18 | doub | in what respect is it a problem to have a IDE slave CD-ROM drive with no master? i'm trying to install a new debian server, removed an old HD, and now it's impossible to boot because the BIOS halts, saying there's a single slave drive |
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| 17:16.01 | doub | just wondering, of course it's easy to fix this problem, but i'm just wondering how fscked up the BIOS makers are |
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| 17:16.22 | jfs | mrex: just don't setup a nat gateway if all you need is http, so there's no other chance to get out than using your proxy. an transparent proxy would be on your gate machine rerouting all incoming http packages via the proxy without the clients even knowing they are routed through a proxy |
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| 17:16.49 | jjazz | doub: If you only have one drive on a cable, make it the master |
| 17:17.01 | degantyll | azeem, it worked allright, thanks |
| 17:17.21 | mrex | jfs, could i access irc, skype, p2p stuff as well then? |
| 17:17.24 | doub | jjazz: of course. but i don't understand why is it sooo bad to have a single slave, so as to prevent the BIOS to boot |
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| 17:18.06 | I386 | what are the possible reasons that a cdrom drive gets locked |
| 17:18.33 | I386 | i mean it wont open |
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| 17:18.50 | mrex | I386, its mounted? or scratched |
| 17:18.57 | jfs | mrex: no, if you need all that use a nat gateway and setup the firewall rules to reroute dest-port 80 via your local proxy, there are many examples out there search for transparent proxy on google, not all proxys are able to do this |
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| 17:18.59 | I386 | not mounted |
| 17:19.09 | prp | hello, is it posible to recover something i just overwrite in /etc ? ext fs |
| 17:19.18 | jfs | I386: fuser /dev/chrom, lsof +D /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:19.25 | I386 | it doesnt open but for a few try |
| 17:19.34 | jfs | prp: ext3? ext2? |
| 17:19.39 | starfishy | doub: thats a problem of your specific bios |
| 17:19.44 | starfishy | maybe you can find an update |
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| 17:20.00 | mrex | jfs, thx |
| 17:20.19 | prp | jfs: ext3 |
| 17:20.27 | jfs | prp: no real chance then |
| 17:20.53 | doub | starfishy: i hope so. but the big flashy red messages with lots of '!'makes me think the BIOS makers are proud to have this "feature"... |
| 17:21.14 | prp | jfs: ouch |
| 17:21.45 | jfs | prp: it's due to the journaling filesystems spread stuff too wide around on the disk |
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| 17:22.37 | starfishy | doub: then you will only have the choice between swapping in a mainboard that doesnt have this feature or making the cd-rom master |
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| 17:22.56 | starfishy | well ... or adding a master to the same controller |
| 17:22.57 | doub | starfishy: in other words, the windows xp trend, taking for granted computer users are complete morrons, seems to have also reached BIOS makers |
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| 17:23.12 | starfishy | doub: it was only a matter of time |
| 17:23.23 | cusco | I keep seeing this line on dmesg: i8253 count too high! resetting.. |
| 17:24.51 | MrNaz | after reading on the web i am unsure if raid 0+1 is even possible to be set up during the debian install phase... can anyone confirm or deny this? |
| 17:24.56 | doub | starfishy: i'll be really glad when we'll be able to find open source BIOSes, if one day this can happen, then |
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| 17:26.44 | pipeline | doub: Heh, it's already happened. |
| 17:26.48 | pipeline | doub: Insofar as it ever will, anyway. |
| 17:26.55 | pipeline | doub: LinuxBIOS is pretty pathetic, really. :| |
| 17:26.57 | Amarande | doub: you should always give an IDE channel either a master + slave, or a master, or no drive |
| 17:27.06 | Amarande | slave without master has never been considered sound computing practice |
| 17:27.22 | abrotman | it doesn't really matter |
| 17:27.29 | abrotman | or rather .. shouldn't |
| 17:28.53 | doub | Amarande: of course, i agree, that's not good practice. but is there any reason for that? i mean, can it create some sort of conflict? or is it just a matter of overpaid BIOS manufacturers trying to get even more money putting useless features in? |
| 17:28.56 | pipeline | Heh, master and slave combined are a really bad idea anyway. |
| 17:29.14 | pipeline | doub: Some drives / controllers will behave unreliably. |
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| 17:29.54 | abrotman | doub: you can have a HDD and optical on different channels both be slave .. it really shouldn't matter |
| 17:30.31 | patbrugge | How can I enable the sensor modules in my debian 2.6.15.x kernel? In order to make the cpu + fan sensorswork in a app like gdesklets? |
| 17:30.32 | abrotman | (broken chipsets/controllers aside) |
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| 17:31.30 | Amarande | on the other hand, the computer industry tolerates starforce, which actually breaks hardware |
| 17:31.36 | Amarande | so I have to wonder if they really care about your hardware's best interest |
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| 17:31.52 | Amarande | about the only people who seem to really, really care about hardware reliability are the hard disk manufacturers lately |
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| 17:32.08 | doub | Amarande: if their business is selling hardware, i don't wonder anymore |
| 17:32.20 | abrotman | you mean besides the embedded market? |
| 17:32.35 | abrotman | or the enterprise market .. well .. anything except the PC market really :) |
| 17:32.36 | Hathcyn | Say one wanted to play Tempest on his Debian machine... |
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| 17:32.43 | timvw | if hw is too reliable, they can't sell enough :p |
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| 17:33.06 | Amarande | yeah, they want you to have to buy new drives all the time |
| 17:33.10 | timvw | as with everything, first couple of generations are reliable.. after that they don't seem to care anymore |
| 17:33.22 | Amarande | except the HD manufacturers, who have to care, since if people keep losing data they'll stop buying those drives |
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| 17:33.45 | Amarande | I remember when people wouldn't buy WD for quite awhile because of some reliability flaw |
| 17:33.59 | doub | timvw: the problem is not that they don't care, they do take care for it to have a limited lifetime. i've studied this in economy courses |
| 17:34.04 | r00723r0 | wd <3 |
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| 17:35.06 | Amarande | starforce copy protection kinda reminds me of the Commodore 64, of all things |
| 17:35.18 | timvw | if i were selling i'd rather bribe a couple of guys at dell and offer them a bit extra, instead of making good hardware ;) |
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| 17:35.28 | Amarande | C64 used the deliberate disk error method quite often, and people hated it for much the same reason that they hate Starforce now |
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| 17:38.12 | andyjstormont_ | anyone know where to put dll's for wine |
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| 17:39.40 | Adi_1 | Hi, how to make new linux kernel default booting kernel |
| 17:40.03 | r00723r0 | change grub around |
| 17:40.12 | Adi_1 | how to do that ? |
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| 17:40.22 | neenee | hi there. |
| 17:40.47 | dr1v3r | i am installing something that says it requires imap extension, i have looked in apt-cache search for it but i cant see it in there, what package is imap extension included in or is it the actual server |
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| 17:41.19 | chealer | !tell andyjstormont_ about wine |
| 17:41.41 | King_Brad | dr1v3r what does it say it requires? |
| 17:42.32 | GutterPunk | Hi, I'm trying to dist-upgrade my new debian installation. so I added the testing and unstable tree to my sources.list because I want to use KDE 3.5. It failed for some reason and I had to use -f. |
| 17:42.41 | GutterPunk | So I did apt-get -f install |
| 17:42.51 | neenee | i am trying to install wine from source, but the build-dependencies 'libicu28-dev' and 'libjack0.80.0-dev' can not be found |
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| 17:43.12 | King_Brad | neenee why not just apt-get install wine ? |
| 17:43.20 | GutterPunk | and it fails on knetworkconf : sub-process ...dpkf returned an error code... How can I fix this please? |
| 17:43.24 | dr1v3r | Checking extension imap is loaded or loadable: False |
| 17:43.24 | dr1v3r | The imap extension is needed by the two email apps (even if you use email with pop3 as protocoll). |
| 17:43.29 | neenee | king_brad: because i need to apply a patch for a certain game to work. |
| 17:43.38 | King_Brad | i c |
| 17:43.39 | dr1v3r | oppps sorry should have pasted in pastbin |
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| 17:44.12 | cahoot | neenee: using sarge? |
| 17:44.19 | neenee | cahoot: unstable |
| 17:44.27 | neenee | sid |
| 17:44.35 | King_Brad | neenee try apt-get install libjack libicu |
| 17:44.36 | cahoot | have fun |
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| 17:45.28 | neenee | king_brad: okay |
| 17:45.36 | cahoot | neenee: as far as libjack goes even etch has version 100 or such |
| 17:46.26 | neenee | king_brad: libjack0.100.0-dev is already installed, as is libicu34-dev |
| 17:46.34 | neenee | but for some reason it wants old versions |
| 17:46.44 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 17:47.10 | King_Brad | maybe try putting stable sources in your sources.list and see if the older vers are avil that way? |
| 17:47.19 | neenee | hm |
| 17:47.25 | neenee | i can try |
| 17:47.33 | bonez39 | I have ssh keys setup to let me ssh to my home system....problem is..I can't ssh back to work here, from home....I have to enter the password.... |
| 17:47.56 | bonez39 | anyone good with ssh, that can help me update my authorized_keys file, either at home or work....so it will work on either end? |
| 17:48.16 | King_Brad | whats wrong with entering the password everytime u connecT? |
| 17:48.51 | bonez39 | King_Brad, well, nothing except I'd rather not have my login and password floating through the ETHER, for anyone along the path to see.....it's INSECURE... |
| 17:49.13 | dr1v3r | i sortedthe problem guys, thanks |
| 17:49.14 | King_Brad | ok |
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| 17:49.21 | dr1v3r | well this problem anyway haha |
| 17:49.34 | Adi_1 | I compiled new kernel and I dont have initrd.img-of new kernel in /boot |
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| 17:49.45 | Adi_1 | how to boot new one |
| 17:49.57 | andyjstormont_ | anyone know how/where to install dll's for wine? |
| 17:50.45 | jbroome | bonez39: that's why you're using ssh instead of telnet |
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| 17:51.34 | bonez39 | jbroome, but..by using ssh keys.....one should be able to ssh to another location without having to enter the password...that's why one uses keys...right? |
| 17:51.39 | jade_ | is there any way to run an X app without X running? |
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| 17:52.23 | [Bart] | how can I see which device file (/dev/usb/...) and usb device is using? |
| 17:52.29 | cahoot | bonez39: could try this: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/09/how-to-setup-ssh-keys-and-why.html |
| 17:52.32 | vosti | Adi_1, you don't need an initrd image to boot. did you try to boot? if you included all needed part with "y" options... |
| 17:52.32 | smacnay | How does one force an fsck on the /var partition on reboot? |
| 17:52.38 | bonez39 | cahoot, thanks |
| 17:53.39 | smacnay | Or can I reboot at a runlevel that will not log to all the /var logfiles? |
| 17:54.06 | neenee | hm |
| 17:54.15 | neenee | king_brad: well, that doesn't work either. lots of packages can not be found :| |
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| 17:55.14 | vimman | how many biology related packages does debian support.. where can i get these information |
| 17:55.19 | neenee | king_brad: i'll try to compile it manually from vanilla source without debian tools and use the list debian mentions as a guideline as to which package to have installed before i start compiling/ ./configure |
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| 17:55.57 | cahoot | smacnay: you want only /var to be checked? |
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| 17:56.15 | neenee | king_brad: the problem might have been caused by me adding the official wine repositories to my sources.list instead of using the debian ones |
| 17:56.24 | smacnay | cahoot: yes. I am supposed to do a manual check but /var is always busy with log files being written to. |
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| 17:56.26 | neenee | king_brad: hm.. nope. normal debian one doesn't work either |
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| 17:56.45 | The_Ball | what's the command to add a service to a runlevel? |
| 17:56.49 | Ungy_ | vimman, apt-cache search bilogy |
| 17:56.55 | azeem | The_Ball: update-rc.d |
| 17:57.01 | vimman | thanks |
| 17:57.09 | The_Ball | azeem, thankyou |
| 17:57.14 | azeem | The_Ball: or symlink it from /etc/init.d to the relevant /etc/rc.? directory |
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| 17:57.25 | cahoot | smacnay: shutdown -rF will force (but for all partitions) |
| 17:57.38 | smacnay | cahoot: that will work too. Thanks for that. |
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| 17:58.15 | smacnay | cahoot: although, when fsck ran on /var (/dev/hda6) it couldn't correct the problems and requested a manual check. |
| 17:58.34 | smacnay | cahoot: I will see if there is an "interactive" option for "shutdown". |
| 17:59.40 | smacnay | cahoot: what is the bare minimal runlevel? 1? |
| 18:00.44 | Amarande | smacnay: init=/bin/bash |
| 18:01.16 | Adi_1 | Vosti: I just erase initrd from menu.lst and i get msg Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0.0) |
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| 18:01.36 | kspath | anyone know why http://www.debian.org/News/ Latest News link still points to 2005? |
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| 18:04.08 | stouset | Is there a Debianized faad plugin for gstreamer0.10 yet? |
| 18:04.13 | JohnLenin | Hi, i'm trying to set up alsa on a freshly installed debian, and all the modules are loaded fine |
| 18:04.23 | JohnLenin | but when i try and run amixer, I get ALSA lib simple_none.c:1216:(simple_add1) helem (MIXER,'Front Playback Volume',0,0,0) appears twice or more |
| 18:04.26 | JohnLenin | amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument |
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| 18:04.53 | JohnLenin | anyone know how i can fix this? i'm running kernel 2.6.15 |
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| 18:06.35 | Nigromante | run alsaconf |
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| 18:09.38 | cam | debian console msg etc.. are in french ... how can i get it back to english ? |
| 18:09.56 | azeem | export LANG=C |
| 18:10.09 | bkhl | Is anyone here using a Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b? I could use an example /etc/network/interfaces for inspiration |
| 18:10.29 | pipeline | cam: dpkg-reconfigure locales :P |
| 18:10.46 | Nigromante | bkhl what for? |
| 18:11.03 | bkhl | Nigromante: since I'm kind of stuck myself... |
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| 18:11.12 | cam | pipeline, yeah did that and select EN_US ISO ... but stil in french |
| 18:11.25 | cam | i'm gonna try the export LANG=C |
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| 18:11.33 | Nigromante | I mean, what do you need to config |
| 18:11.35 | pipeline | cam: Eh, changing the system default locale won't take effect until you restart the system... |
| 18:11.52 | wajig|sarge | bkhl, AIR-PCM340 |
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| 18:12.22 | Nigromante | wep, wpa, wpa-psk ? |
| 18:12.25 | bkhl | Nigromante: I have a wireless router. I have turned off encryption and stuff on the router, to get it working as simply as possible for starters. |
| 18:12.39 | cam | pipeline, ah ok, tx for the info . i got my debian console in english now with the export LANG ; i'll reboot later :) TX |
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| 18:13.04 | Nigromante | and you want to set up your interface to use the wlan, I suppose ? |
| 18:13.33 | bkhl | Right. |
| 18:13.38 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 18:14.09 | eugenesan | hi all, how do i force part of resolv.conf to be constant while dhcpclient will add additional records? |
| 18:14.10 | Nigromante | I assume your interface is properly installed (module), right? |
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| 18:14.57 | bkhl | Yeah, the module gets loaded, and ifconfig -a lists the corresponding interfaces. |
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| 18:15.05 | Nigromante | ok, |
| 18:15.32 | bkhl | And there my confusion starts. There's one "wifi0" and one "eth2" with the same MAC, so I don't really know which one I should use. |
| 18:15.32 | Nigromante | when you run iwconfig as root do you get something in that interface, right? |
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| 18:15.50 | bkhl | Yes. |
| 18:16.11 | Nigromante | get the same info in wifi0 and eth2? |
| 18:16.17 | Nigromante | from iwconfig |
| 18:16.23 | bkhl | Yes. |
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| 18:16.28 | Znh | hello |
| 18:16.59 | Nigromante | mmm I suppose you can use one of them (which you want) |
| 18:17.04 | Znh | I didnt like xdm, so I apt-get remove.. --purge it. But now there is some other user managed loaded, how can I get rid of that as well? |
| 18:17.06 | bkhl | OK. |
| 18:17.23 | Nigromante | run iwlist scan, do you get any network? |
| 18:17.24 | nkuttler | Znh: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:17.29 | bkhl | I'll go with wifi0, then, since it's more descriptive. |
| 18:17.31 | Znh | nkuttler: ty |
| 18:17.34 | Nigromante | ok |
| 18:18.04 | bkhl | "Failed to read scan data: No data available" |
| 18:18.16 | Nigromante | mmm |
| 18:18.26 | Nigromante | is ur router running? |
| 18:18.57 | bkhl | Yeah. For the record, I booted the laptop with the XP install it shipped with, and then it found the wireless network. |
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| 18:20.15 | agentbob | are there any public scanners for detecting issues with a mail server? ie open relay, bounce-back spam tests, etc... i'm getting spam send from my qmail but don't know where it's coming from |
| 18:20.45 | petemc | agentbob: telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org , from the server |
| 18:20.50 | MrNaz | anybody here know how to set up software raid 0+1 on debian? |
| 18:20.53 | Nigromante | which linux do you have bkhl? |
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| 18:22.22 | bkhl | Debian, etch, just net-installed. |
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| 18:23.13 | Nigromante | same as me. Well the fact is with the interface not configured, I get info about my router with iwlist scan |
| 18:23.21 | Nigromante | so it seems odd |
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| 18:23.58 | bkhl | Regrettably I don't have another laptop here to check with, but as I said XP told me it found the wi-fi router when I booted into it by mistake. |
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| 18:24.26 | Bucciarati | hah "by mistake" |
| 18:24.43 | bkhl | Bucciarati: yeah, it wasn't configured to boot from CD. ;-) |
| 18:24.45 | agentbob | petemc: thanks i'll try that |
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| 18:25.07 | jebstark | hello. Im trying to install debian/etch on a old 486 computer. my problem is that it locks up at "localhost kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0" -- nothing more happens... what could be wrong? |
| 18:25.14 | bkhl | Nigromante: anyway, it might well be that there's something up with the router config, too. I haven't used it for wireless before, and as you can tell I'm pretty green with this stuff. |
| 18:25.17 | jebstark | something with my keyboard? |
| 18:25.42 | Nigromante | yes, better try to config the router first |
| 18:26.02 | bkhl | Nigromante: but as I said, I have not other way of testing it, so it won't make that much of a difference. |
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| 18:26.18 | Nigromante | which router is? |
| 18:26.21 | bkhl | Nigromante: but I can tell you the settings I have for it now. |
| 18:26.39 | bkhl | Asus WL500G Deluxe with OpenWrt. |
| 18:26.48 | TheArtist | does anyone here have the Thomson Speedtouch 330 ADSL Modem working in linux? |
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| 18:27.17 | jfs | !anyone |
| 18:27.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:27.22 | Nigromante | have you configured an ssid ? |
| 18:27.50 | TheArtist | jfs, okies thanks |
| 18:28.18 | bkhl | Nigromante: I guess. In the web interface for the router it says "ESSID: dreaming" |
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| 18:28.29 | Nigromante | ok |
| 18:28.46 | TheArtist | When trying to connect with my Thomson Speedtouch 330 ADSL Modem, i get a "SIOCADDRT: No Such Device" error and have no clue why can anyone help? |
| 18:28.57 | Nigromante | and which security options, no encryption wep, wpa-pask, something like that ? |
| 18:29.13 | bkhl | "Encryption type: disabled" |
| 18:29.20 | Nigromante | ok |
| 18:29.30 | bkhl | I'll want some kind of encryption, but I thought I would take that after I get it working at all. |
| 18:29.50 | bkhl | Then there's a thing called "WDS connections" where you can add MACs. I'm not sure what that is. |
| 18:29.54 | bkhl | I haven't added anything there. |
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| 18:30.43 | bkhl | That leaves only two wifi settings available in the web inteface. "Channel: 1" and "Mode: access point" |
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| 18:31.04 | Nigromante | which interfaces do you have up (cat /etc/network/run/ifstate) |
| 18:31.34 | Nigromante | access point, 1 sec, I'll check mine |
| 18:31.38 | djp | do bugs for applications under debian stable releases get fixed, or do you wait for the next stable release, say etch when it is made the next stable release? |
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| 18:32.02 | Amarande | djp: if the bugs are critical, especially securitywise, they may fix them |
| 18:32.12 | Amarande | but that's all that gets changed in stable |
| 18:32.12 | bkhl | Nigromante: I have only lo up right now. |
| 18:32.19 | abrotman | djp: depends on the bug .. you can see a list of the ones fixed from 3.1r0 to 3.1r1 |
| 18:32.20 | Amarande | also, you have to be concerned about counterbugs in such a case :/ |
| 18:32.31 | Amarande | especially if you fix, say, a serious security bug in libc (if there was one) |
| 18:32.42 | Nigromante | ok |
| 18:32.44 | abrotman | djp: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20051220 |
| 18:32.50 | djp | abrotman, it is the totem-xine bug found here http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2005-January/010661.html |
| 18:33.01 | bleaked | i used to run gentoo, and due to an available guide, i would prelink my system. it provided a very significan improvement on performance. would this hold true for debian? |
| 18:33.04 | djp | cheers for that link abrotman |
| 18:33.04 | abrotman | djp: there is also a list of rejected fixes |
| 18:33.11 | Nigromante | (u are using other computer for chat, aren't you ? ) --- Thinking |
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| 18:33.23 | bkhl | Nigromante: yes. |
| 18:33.28 | abrotman | djp: that bug is from before sarge was released |
| 18:33.37 | abrotman | :info totem-xine sarge |
| 18:33.43 | abrotman | !info totem-xine sarge |
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| 18:33.44 | Amarande | rejected fixes?? |
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| 18:33.48 | Nigromante | which modes of operation can u choose, besides access point? |
| 18:33.49 | abrotman | Amarande: yes |
| 18:33.51 | Amarande | other than counterbugs, I don't see why one would reject a fix |
| 18:33.55 | dpkg | totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.100-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 930 kB, Installed size: 3400 kB |
| 18:33.56 | abrotman | Amarande: change ABIs etc .. |
| 18:34.03 | bkhl | Nigromante: "client", "bridge" and "ad-hoc" |
| 18:34.10 | abrotman | Amarande: would you like me to look for the list? |
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| 18:34.21 | abrotman | Amarande: http://people.debian.org/~joey/3.1r1/ |
| 18:34.23 | thingfish | 5.5*5.5 |
| 18:34.25 | Amarande | abrotman: sure. it doesn't really affect me since I run etch, but it'd be interesting |
| 18:34.27 | thingfish | aack |
| 18:34.46 | thingfish | damn, I didn't even have a calculator open! |
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| 18:35.05 | djp | !info totem-xine sarge |
| 18:35.15 | dpkg | totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.100-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 930 kB, Installed size: 3400 kB |
| 18:35.22 | abrotman | Amarande: and if you change that to 3.1r2 .. you can see the proposed updates for r2 |
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| 18:35.43 | Nigromante | run again iwlist scan please, and tell me what do u get at each interface |
| 18:35.53 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:35.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:36.08 | djp | abrotman, ok thanks. so i gahter because it is a n optional package it is not really considered important if there is a small bug, correct? |
| 18:36.13 | MOtheRus | how many people there :) |
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| 18:36.17 | Amarande | And if you wonder what I mean by 'counterbugs' ... a short term, that perhaps I made up. |
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| 18:36.34 | Amarande | Refers to bugs that occur when programs are designed to live with bugs in existing infrastructure, and then those latter bugs are fixed. |
| 18:36.48 | Amarande | Happens all the time in Windows, which is why Wine will never be perfect. |
| 18:36.52 | bkhl | lo Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 18:36.52 | bkhl | eth0 (same) |
| 18:36.52 | bkhl | eth1 (same) |
| 18:36.52 | bkhl | eth2 Failed to read scan data : No data available |
| 18:36.52 | bkhl | wifi0 (same) |
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| 18:37.51 | Nigromante | try to set up your router as bridge, and if you keep receiving no data, then you have a module problem |
| 18:37.55 | Nigromante | probably |
| 18:38.19 | Amarande | bkhl: what kind of eth cards do you have, and which kernel version? |
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| 18:38.47 | bkhl | Amarande: Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b, and Linux 2.6.8 |
| 18:38.52 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:38.52 | dr1v3r | ok guys i need to remove ever trace of a package that i do not want i have used apt-get remove package --purge, but that is still leaving folders and files, how can i completely remove every things that the package puts on the system? |
| 18:38.54 | Amarande | don't know about that specific kind |
| 18:38.58 | x-x-_ | sarge? |
| 18:39.02 | Amarande | but I do know 2.6.8 is dodgy with some network interfaces |
| 18:39.11 | azeem | dr1v3r: you can't do more than that |
| 18:39.11 | Amarande | see if 2.6.12 works |
| 18:39.21 | dr1v3r | you cant? |
| 18:39.22 | Amarande | you on sarge or etch? |
| 18:39.32 | azeem | dr1v3r: not without some manual research etc., at least |
| 18:39.34 | bkhl | etch. I was going to upgrade the kernel anyway, so I'll try that. |
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| 18:39.43 | dr1v3r | thats crap that is |
| 18:39.49 | wajig|sarge | !sources |
| 18:39.49 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 18:39.58 | azeem | dr1v3r: maybe you should describe which folders you are talking about |
| 18:40.13 | Nigromante | bkhl, u can compile kernel 2.6.15.2 the debian way. It's quite up to date regarding hardware |
| 18:40.22 | djp | abrotman, think the bug still applies to the version of totem-xine in sarge, the version is 0.100-5 and the bug wasn't fixed until version 0.101-1 |
| 18:40.26 | abrotman | djp: you can ask the totem-xine maintainer .. is the bug even fixed yet? |
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| 18:40.38 | abrotman | djp: he'd have to backport the fix if it can even be done |
| 18:40.49 | dr1v3r | it is folders left behind by this package i am removing |
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| 18:41.26 | bkhl | Nigromante: I'll try the latest packaged kernel first. |
| 18:41.40 | abrotman | djp: that guy is not here now .. but he is sometimes(haven't seen him in a while) |
| 18:41.49 | Nigromante | Ok. The fact is that if your wifi card module is properly installed, you should receive beacon signals from your router. |
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| 18:41.59 | djp | abrotman, ok thanks for your advice. who should i look out for? |
| 18:42.01 | Nigromante | Assuming it is sending them |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | !maint totem-xine sarge |
| 18:42.10 | Nigromante | and it seems |
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| 18:42.11 | dpkg | totem-xine: Sebastien Bacher <seb128@debian.org> |
| 18:42.13 | abrotman | djp: you could email him and ask him .. |
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| 18:42.21 | Nigromante | cause u can detect in windows |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | djp: or append the bug? |
| 18:42.27 | abrotman | !tell Nigromante about u |
| 18:43.03 | azeem | append the bug sounds better |
| 18:43.12 | azeem | I don't think seb128 is going to care about stable |
| 18:43.16 | djp | cheers abrotman. by the way, to help me in the future, how do i find out all the !foo commands to display advice? |
| 18:43.24 | abrotman | djp: /msg dpkg help |
| 18:43.35 | Sweet_kate | hello i have ubuntu with xfce4: i booted my pc with my printer turned off.How can i "load " my printer? |
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| 18:43.47 | azeem | Sweet_kate: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:43.47 | djp | abrotman, excellent... noted that. thanks again. |
| 18:43.48 | abrotman | Sweet_kate: #ubuntu please |
| 18:44.02 | abrotman | djp: azeem noted it may be better to append the bug |
| 18:44.18 | djp | ah, cheers azeem. will do. |
| 18:44.22 | azeem | dr1v3r: which folders? |
| 18:44.45 | abrotman | what's a folder? |
| 18:45.17 | dr1v3r | egroupware is one that i have noticed |
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| 18:46.02 | dr1v3r | there has got to be more as i have tried installing it again after --purge and it does not give me the interface that i got the first time i installed it |
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| 18:46.21 | azeem | dr1v3r: is this in your home directory? |
| 18:46.32 | Dr_Doctor | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5863805640&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 18:46.39 | dr1v3r | no its in different pasrts of the system |
| 18:46.40 | azeem | Dr_Doctor: stop it |
| 18:46.43 | dr1v3r | *parts |
| 18:47.02 | Dr_Doctor | sry |
| 18:47.05 | azeem | dr1v3r: then take a look at the postrm/prerm, maybe the maintainer scripts are badly written |
| 18:47.12 | Dr_Doctor | fc |
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| 18:47.28 | dr1v3r | postrm/prerm? |
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| 18:48.51 | dr1v3r | what is postrm/prerm?? |
| 18:48.56 | loggygreg | dr1v3r: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postrm |
| 18:49.04 | tziku | hello, i need a program to see processor/memory informaiton (in SSH) more detailed. tell me the name please if somebody know. |
| 18:49.07 | dr1v3r | thanks loggygreg |
| 18:49.19 | starfishy | tziku: vmstat |
| 18:49.24 | starfishy | tziku: ps |
| 18:49.34 | starfishy | tziku: top |
| 18:49.47 | tziku | :) heh top :D th |
| 18:49.49 | tziku | thx |
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| 18:49.53 | starfishy | yw |
| 18:50.17 | starfishy | tziku: and memory usage for a single process: pmap |
| 18:50.26 | lonewolff | hey, i wonder if anyone can help, im trying to install postfix and postfix-tls on sarge, but i get an error because postfix-tls depends on postfix 2.1.5-9 and only 2.2.4-1 is available, is there a way round this? |
| 18:50.30 | tziku | thx :D |
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| 18:51.31 | dr1v3r | can these files be deleted from that directory after --purge? |
| 18:51.52 | jebstark | I'm looking for a HOWTO for setting up a small local LAN that shares one connection to the internet... any recommendations? |
| 18:52.04 | AcE | Hello, Someone here that could help me with a question about courier (authdaemond.plain) |
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| 18:54.08 | dr1v3r | after apt-get remove package --purge has been actioned, can the files assosiated with that package be deleted from /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 18:54.24 | petemc | jebstark: google for linux gateway how to or some such |
| 18:54.29 | Nigromante | I guess not dr1v3r |
| 18:54.30 | azeem | dr1v3r: I wouldn't recommend that |
| 18:54.37 | azeem | dr1v3r: are you so low on disk space? |
| 18:54.48 | Nigromante | its the package info, not download |
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| 18:55.06 | LinuxNIT-laptop | what is a linux plaintext partition? |
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| 18:55.24 | starfishy | what do you mean by 'plaintext-partition' |
| 18:55.26 | starfishy | ? |
| 18:55.36 | dr1v3r | no, i have to reinstall the package but its not installing correctly as there are still files on the system somewhere that are not allowing it to install the way it did the first time |
| 18:55.38 | petemc | LinuxNIT-laptop: add some context, it makes no sense on its own |
| 18:55.50 | blaamann_home | Isn't openmotif supported in Debian ? |
| 18:56.00 | azeem | dr1v3r: did you check in your (or root's) home directory? |
| 18:56.11 | mouldy | Anyone know how to get 5.1 surround sound working with debian sid? |
| 18:56.15 | azeem | also the dot-files, like ~/.foo? |
| 18:56.16 | dr1v3r | yea its not in the root dir |
| 18:56.19 | LinuxNIT-laptop | sorry i have none just that i heard some guy talking about that he had a plaintext partition but didnt know what it was for |
| 18:56.24 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ah well just curious |
| 18:56.31 | Nigromante | You mean you have config files left dr1v3r ? |
| 18:56.36 | starfishy | there is no such thing as a plaintext partition |
| 18:56.51 | LinuxNIT-laptop | oh ok |
| 18:56.52 | tarzeau | someone wants to test a new game package? |
| 18:56.57 | dr1v3r | yea they are probably config files Nigromante |
| 18:56.58 | starfishy | partition type for Linux is 83 |
| 18:57.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: briquolo ? |
| 18:57.18 | starfishy | and the filesystems used are ext3, jfs, xfs, reiserfs and a few others |
| 18:57.26 | Nigromante | yes, look for in you home dir with ls -la |
| 18:57.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope, i don't have fast 3d |
| 18:57.31 | dr1v3r | when the package installs it give an interface where you select certain options but it is not giving me that this time :( |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:57.36 | AcE | If i log in on webmin and go to running processes and look at the files, a see a LOT of times authdaemond.plain, a lot of these where started a few monts ago... is there something i can do against this? |
| 18:57.50 | dr1v3r | it is not in the home directy |
| 18:57.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i thought you wanted to package that? you make the ITP and i'll do it, k? you'll have to test it though, i can only package it... |
| 18:58.00 | Nigromante | but config files may be |
| 18:58.06 | dr1v3r | they are not |
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| 18:58.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: if i reread the MG .. i might try |
| 18:58.19 | Nigromante | then be sure to remove it completely, purge it |
| 18:58.33 | dr1v3r | i did |
| 18:58.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: MG? |
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| 18:58.46 | Nigromante | which package is it? |
| 18:58.49 | abrotman | !mg |
| 18:58.49 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 18:59.01 | loggygreg | dr1v3r: dpkg-reconfigure package may be |
| 18:59.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:59.05 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 18:59.13 | abrotman | why me .. every time ? |
| 18:59.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: check !debstats |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: why? |
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| 18:59.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: because you talk more than anyone else |
| 18:59.38 | dr1v3r | Nigromante it is egroupware-fudforum |
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| 18:59.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant the quotes |
| 18:59.52 | Nigromante | oh ok (no idea :-/ ) |
| 18:59.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: they're supposed to be random |
| 18:59.59 | AcE | If i log in on webmin and go to running processes and look at the files, a see a LOT of times authdaemond.plain, a lot of these where started a few monts ago... is there something i can do against this? accept rebooting the system? |
| 19:00.02 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:00.02 | dpkg | from memory, qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | see! |
| 19:00.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:00.12 | dpkg | qotd72 is probably <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 19:00.15 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:00.25 | Nigromante | try dpkg-reconfigure.... may be it modified other packages |
| 19:00.26 | dr1v3r | why is it that debians own ripp off packages are the worste to remove |
| 19:00.37 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: whcih packages are that? |
| 19:00.42 | starfishy | whats a ripp off package? |
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| 19:01.00 | dr1v3r | well apache2, that package i have just posted |
| 19:01.09 | dr1v3r | why cant they just be left the way they are |
| 19:01.28 | azeem | dr1v3r: why rip off? |
| 19:01.47 | dr1v3r | because they are, they are modified so much |
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| 19:01.49 | starfishy | dr1v3r: what is not 'left the way it is' on apache2? |
| 19:01.56 | abrotman | dr1v3r: wtf are you babbling about? |
| 19:02.05 | dr1v3r | httpf.conf for one thing |
| 19:02.16 | dr1v3r | *httpd.conf |
| 19:02.25 | starfishy | httpd.conf is meaningless on apache2 |
| 19:02.33 | Nigromante | dr1v3r, go to apache2 dir in /etc |
| 19:02.46 | dr1v3r | the one you get in with the package from apache.org has over 100 lines debians apache2 has 1 |
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| 19:02.50 | Nigromante | and try searching for files created by that package |
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| 19:03.12 | Nigromante | dr1v3r, it is splitted in several files in apache2 |
| 19:03.15 | starfishy | dr1v3r: are you sure the apache_2_ default httpd.conf has 100 lines? |
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| 19:03.34 | starfishy | i never looked at the original, but apache2 is trying everything to make that file unnecessary |
| 19:03.38 | abrotman | dr1v3r: no freaking shit .. the file is apache2.conf |
| 19:03.43 | starfishy | yup |
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| 19:04.11 | starfishy | and i still dont quite get what about this is a 'ripoff package' |
| 19:04.38 | AcE | If i log in on webmin and go to running processes and look at the files, a see a LOT of times authdaemond.plain, a lot of these where started a few monts ago... is there something i can do against this? accept rebooting the system? can't find the answere anywhere... |
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| 19:05.14 | starfishy | ace: first step: look at the process table itself to make sure that its not webmin that has the problem |
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| 19:06.08 | abrotman | webmin is a problem |
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| 19:06.52 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 19:06.52 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:07.05 | kspath | your keyboard IS your G.U.I. |
| 19:07.34 | AcE | i never had problems with webmin, but its only available from the local network... |
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| 19:09.07 | smacnay | Amarande: I am not sure what you meant by init=/bin/bash ? |
| 19:10.29 | starfishy | smacnay: he meant add init=/bin/bash to your kernel line in grub |
| 19:10.41 | AcE | starfishy: the process table is the same as the one in webmin, so that's not the problem, it looks more like the program starts every login and never closes |
| 19:10.45 | starfishy | thats the last resort when the system doesnt find init |
| 19:10.50 | starfishy | ace: ok |
| 19:10.59 | starfishy | ace: doesnt hurt to check though |
| 19:11.02 | chaedaeX | i have a reiserfs inside an LVM LV - i shrunk reiserfs to 1.5GB, then the LV to 2GB - now I am trying to incrrease the reiserfs to fill the existing .5G but resize_reiserfs complains "reiserfs_open: Your partition is not big enough to contain the |
| 19:11.02 | chaedaeX | filesystem of (25817087) blocks as was specified" |
| 19:11.17 | smacnay | starfishy: thanks |
| 19:11.30 | starfishy | smacnay: yw |
| 19:12.03 | AcE | starfishy yes you'r wright on that... but authdaemond.plain is taking about 800mb from my RAM.. that's something i don't want... And on google i can't find the solution.. |
| 19:12.34 | starfishy | ace: sorry, cant help you with the authdaemon itself, wish i could |
| 19:12.38 | MrNaz | http://mrnaz.com/static/raid.jpg <-- can anyone confirm if that is correct for 2 raid1 arrays consisting of 2 drives each? |
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| 19:13.07 | blaamann_home | I try to install libmotif3 (the package returned by 'apt-file search libXm.so.3'), but apt-get install libmotif3 just gives me a 'E: Couldn't find package libmotif3'. This is a mystery for me. |
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| 19:14.00 | AcE | ok starfishy, thanks any way! Anybody else who can help with authdaemond?? |
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| 19:14.31 | Amarande | blaamann_home: did you try alt-get -t sid install libmotif3? |
| 19:14.37 | Amarande | errrr |
| 19:14.42 | Amarande | apt-get -t sid install libmotif3 |
| 19:15.02 | dr1v3r | well anyway nevermind that, the problem ihave got is that i used apt-get to install something and now i need every trace of it removed so i can start from fresh again i cant do it |
| 19:15.22 | abrotman | blaamann_home: apt-file update .. then try again |
| 19:15.46 | dr1v3r | i have searched the system for the files but i cant see any that stand out |
| 19:16.12 | blaamann_home | I am on Sarge |
| 19:16.22 | dr1v3r | i need to be able to get the interface part of the install back, that you get when you first install it |
| 19:16.41 | Amarande | looks like libmotif3 is only in sid |
| 19:16.44 | azeem | dr1v3r: do you mean the debconf questions? |
| 19:16.53 | azeem | dr1v3r: run dpkg-reconfigure <package> for that |
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| 19:17.41 | dr1v3r | no i am on about egroupware-fudforum |
| 19:18.02 | blaamann_home | apt-file can still find it after a update, but apt-get can't install it. I will have a look at my sources list to see if something is messed up |
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| 19:18.26 | azeem | dr1v3r: so what kind of dialog did you get? |
| 19:19.16 | JL0gik | how does one op themselves in a channel? |
| 19:19.28 | ronin | JL0gik: you start your own channel is one way |
| 19:19.46 | Nigromante | or be the chan registered creator |
| 19:19.50 | starfishy | ronin: that still wont op you by default |
| 19:19.54 | JL0gik | the channel is already started but i have no @ symbol near my name |
| 19:20.07 | dr1v3r | its a grey box that asks a few questions prior to install. what version of apache, admin username and pass things lik ethat really |
| 19:20.08 | blaamann_home | I've only got four entries in my sources file: deb stable main , deb-src stable main, deb stable updates and Marillat. So I don't understand how apt-file can return a package that is in sid. |
| 19:20.11 | starfishy | jl0gik: you wont just become an ip |
| 19:20.13 | starfishy | op |
| 19:20.26 | ronin | starfishy: since when? works everytime i test it |
| 19:20.32 | JL0gik | I recently obtain control over a channel, how do i get op status? |
| 19:20.42 | ronin | opttain control over? heh |
| 19:20.43 | abrotman | blaamann_home: what file .. what version of debian ? |
| 19:20.44 | starfishy | ronin: not on freenode afaik |
| 19:20.53 | abrotman | JL0gik: ask #freenode |
| 19:20.58 | ronin | starfishy: just tried it and i got oped |
| 19:21.03 | starfishy | ok |
| 19:21.07 | JL0gik | thanks |
| 19:21.09 | starfishy | apparently i was misinformed |
| 19:21.12 | starfishy | apologies |
| 19:21.37 | ronin | none necessary i was curious to know if they changed something, course it was with no chanserv in it mind you |
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| 19:21.42 | abrotman | !find libXm.so.3 sarge |
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| 19:21.54 | kwowt | Hello, i need someone who is good at iptables, i want to limit connections for a specific user, in return i give 100mbit shell for free with ssh web and ftp access. Msg me please |
| 19:21.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXm.so.3' (1): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libXm.so.3|libXm.so.3.0.2}) in non-free/libs/libmotif3. |
| 19:22.13 | blaamann_home | abrotman: I am on Sarge and apt-file search libXm.so.3 gives me libmotif3 , then I try to install libmotif3 and it does not exist |
| 19:22.14 | abrotman | !find libXm.so.3 sid |
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| 19:22.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXm.so.3' (1): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libXm.so.3|libXm.so.3.0.2}) in non-free/libs/libmotif3. |
| 19:22.23 | abrotman | blaamann_home: because it's in non-free |
| 19:22.26 | Nigromante | dr1v3r, try dpkg --purge <name of the package>, then apt-get install <name of the package> |
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| 19:22.47 | Nigromante | of course, first apt-get remove <name of the package> |
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| 19:23.02 | JL0gik | freenode channel is down for cleaning, can you gusy still help? |
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| 19:23.15 | AcE | somebody able to help me with authdaemond?? |
| 19:23.46 | blaamann_home | abrotman: But how do I install it (I really thought I understood this but obviously not....). |
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| 19:24.06 | ronin | JL0gik: what do you mean obtained control of a channel, but no #freenode is your best bet |
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| 19:25.49 | JL0gik | I am president of a club, the club had a channel, the old pres gave me control of the channel(he said), how do op and change the password and such? |
| 19:26.10 | ronin | JL0gik: ahh, try /msg chanserv help |
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| 19:28.38 | JL0gik | ronin: still cant figure it out |
| 19:28.55 | ronin | well that and #freenode are the ones to help |
| 19:29.00 | Spudchat | hi everyone, i just moved to debian from ubuntu and im having a problem with apache2 |
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| 19:29.14 | cisse | Spudchat: what issues are you having |
| 19:29.28 | Spudchat | instead of serving the index.html it defaults to the apache2-default folder |
| 19:29.34 | Spudchat | which has been removed |
| 19:29.47 | cisse | edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 19:29.54 | cisse | and remove the directive that tells it to serve that page |
| 19:29.55 | cisse | =D |
| 19:30.06 | Spudchat | thanks a bunch :) |
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| 19:30.42 | MrP | Hello |
| 19:31.02 | MrP | Does etch come with bootsplash (to modify grub)? |
| 19:31.17 | kyle_ | I just switched from Slackware to Debian, and the only screen resolution that works is 800x600. 1024x768 is an option, but the screen looks horrible. |
| 19:31.23 | abrotman | !tell blaamann_home about non-free |
| 19:31.39 | Amarande | dpkg, tell kyle about drxx |
| 19:31.47 | AcE | somebody able to help me with authdaemond?? |
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| 19:31.58 | Amarande | !drxx |
| 19:31.58 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:32.31 | kyle_ | Thanks about drxx, I will give it a try |
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| 19:33.34 | Spudchat | should i just remove the whole thing? |
| 19:33.58 | blaamann_home | abrotman: Thanks, I thought I needed a new line (new repository) for it, but as I can see it not neccesary |
| 19:34.03 | lzhang | hi, just installed debian for the first time, how do I get the end and home keys to work in the terminal? |
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| 19:34.36 | kyle_ | I cannot seem to find drxx on my system, or in synaptic, do you know where I can find it? |
| 19:34.53 | MrP | kyle_: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:34.54 | Amarande | kyle_: do you use xfree86 or xorg? |
| 19:35.03 | MrP | (or xorg) |
| 19:35.07 | Goll | lzhang, what terminal? in console or xterm? |
| 19:35.10 | Spudchat | nevermind, and thanks a lot for the help |
| 19:35.13 | lzhang | console |
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| 19:35.41 | kyle_ | amarande, I think I am using xfree86 |
| 19:35.51 | kyle_ | not really sure, I think I installed both |
| 19:36.00 | MrP | kyle_: then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:36.20 | kyle_ | Going to try it now |
| 19:36.58 | kyle_ | I am using xorg must be |
| 19:37.12 | MrP | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:37.19 | kyle_ | Yeah, I am doing that now |
| 19:37.57 | raf256 | why debian krusader devels are fucking around? |
| 19:38.16 | raf256 | it has been almost week and sid's krusader is parially unusable |
| 19:38.28 | MrNaz | when partitioning, must the bootable partition be the first partition on the drive? |
| 19:38.36 | raf256 | MrNaz: no |
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| 19:38.49 | cisse | MrNaz: you can mark any partition bootable |
| 19:38.49 | starfishy | raf256: if you have problems with packages not working temporarily, dont use sid |
| 19:38.58 | AcE | how can i kill multiple processes with the same command but another PID?? |
| 19:39.07 | raf256 | starfishy: I need sid also I want to contribute; I will try to downgrade |
| 19:39.07 | bbrazil | AcE: pkill |
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| 19:39.18 | raf256 | AcE: killall, pkill |
| 19:39.31 | starfishy | raf256: pick your poison |
| 19:39.42 | starfishy | sid is not guaranteed to always work properly |
| 19:39.47 | raf256 | I know |
| 19:39.50 | elephantMan | Why my browser isn't interpreting "´" as accentuated caracter ? |
| 19:39.53 | raf256 | but devels should do something IMHO |
| 19:39.56 | elephantMan | Well hi all |
| 19:40.06 | raf256 | ElectricElf: which broser / ask its authors |
| 19:40.08 | Amarande | what package is gnome-cd in? |
| 19:40.21 | Nigromante | elephantMan, try other character encoding |
| 19:40.30 | Amarande | like, say, play CDs |
| 19:40.32 | Goll | Amarande, apt-file search gnome-cd |
| 19:40.32 | raf256 | Amarande: apt-cache search gnome | grep cd or | grep gnome-cd |
| 19:41.00 | mrex | gnome-media |
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| 19:41.22 | bkhl | Nigromante: it turns that after the second reboot after installing, the airo module is loaded first, so eth0 and eth2 switched places. |
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| 19:41.44 | bkhl | Nigromante: now iwlist eth0 scan gives me some output. I'll see if I can take it from here myself first. |
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| 19:41.48 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:41.53 | Amarande | I'm assuming that if I pull gnome-media from sid |
| 19:41.55 | Nigromante | ok |
| 19:42.00 | Amarande | I'm going to have to pull all the rest of GNOME with it from sid, too? |
| 19:42.15 | staniel | hi, im trying to set up open-vpn to tunnel all network traffic. when I conenct, I can only ping computers that are on the vpn, and that are on the network that I am apart of.. could someone help me fix this? |
| 19:42.24 | Goll | Amarande, it will pull the *needed* dependencies |
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| 19:42.53 | mrex | Amarande, not necessarily, im not too hot on this, but i heard that backports may help |
| 19:43.06 | raf256 | warning: Downgrading package life from 2.5 to 2.5+wife |
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| 19:43.25 | iostream | Is there anyway to salvage data from a floppy with bad sectors? |
| 19:43.32 | Amarande | gih, this machine doesn't want to play CDs well at all |
| 19:43.33 | raf256 | iostream: call the americans |
| 19:43.35 | Amarande | I wonder if it's a kernel thing |
| 19:43.37 | tarzeau | iostream: not worth it |
| 19:43.39 | raf256 | but stand clear of teh napalm |
| 19:43.39 | elephantMan | Nigromante, yes i tried...you mean on my browser ? |
| 19:43.44 | Nigromante | yes |
| 19:43.48 | tarzeau | iostream: sdd the whole disk to a file |
| 19:43.50 | zinx | iostream: from the bad sectors? no |
| 19:43.52 | tarzeau | iostream: what filesystem is it? |
| 19:43.56 | iostream | vfat |
| 19:43.57 | Nigromante | there's an option in firefox, for example |
| 19:44.03 | raf256 | iostream: try dd or ddbackup or simmilar name was there |
| 19:44.04 | iostream | i tried dd if=/dev/fd0 of=img |
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| 19:44.10 | MrNaz | iostream who uses floppies any more? |
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| 19:44.21 | iostream | But it gives me some io errors and doesn't dump enough |
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| 19:44.29 | zinx | iostream: you have to use some options |
| 19:44.30 | raf256 | iostream: dd_rescue |
| 19:44.33 | blondie | MrNaz: silly people |
| 19:44.40 | tarzeau | iostream: try sdd |
| 19:44.40 | iostream | Let me just make it clear: I *DONT* use floppys, my silly brother does :( |
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| 19:44.57 | iostream | raf256: okay, will try it.. |
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| 19:45.07 | MrNaz | iostream in that case my question becomes: who helps people who use floppies these days? |
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| 19:45.11 | iostream | As a "punishment" he's retyping it now.. |
| 19:45.13 | zinx | iostream: dd if=/dev/fd0 of=img conv=sync,noerror |
| 19:45.14 | MrNaz | :P |
| 19:45.21 | MrP | Does Etch have any (builtin) way to modify grub's splash image? |
| 19:45.22 | iostream | MrNaz: hehe |
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| 19:45.50 | Doctor | builtin? |
| 19:45.53 | Doctor | define builtin? |
| 19:46.13 | lzhang | how do I make the end and home keys work in the console? right now home inserts a ~ instead |
| 19:46.23 | iostream | zinx: I'll give it a go |
| 19:46.38 | MrNaz | iostream there are some tools to recover floppy disks... scandisk for dos was able to mark off bad sectors while leaving the rest of the disk readable.... thats the last tool i used to recover a floppy disk, which tells you how long ago its been since ive used them :) |
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| 19:46.55 | MrP | Doctor: Builtin/built in/built-in = included in the distro |
| 19:47.00 | iostream | MrNaz: Okay, is there a linux tool, or should I boot windows? |
| 19:47.06 | MrNaz | iostream zinx' idea seems better |
| 19:47.16 | MrNaz | <zinx> iostream: dd if=/dev/fd0 of=img conv=sync,noerror |
| 19:47.27 | iostream | okay, it's running now.. oh done, ill try to mount it |
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| 19:48.27 | Amarande | maybe I should put this in a different way |
| 19:48.42 | Amarande | has anyone else had problems with playing CDs under Debian where there's either silence or the apps crash/hang? |
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| 19:48.54 | tarzeau | Amarande: nope |
| 19:49.02 | Amarande | tarzeau: etch? |
| 19:49.07 | tarzeau | Amarande: sid and sarge |
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| 19:49.19 | tarzeau | Amarande: got the cable in the right hole? |
| 19:49.28 | chaedaeX | is there a way to tell ssh to ask me before adding a key to known_hosts? |
| 19:49.43 | chaedaeX | often i have temporary hosts whose keys i don't want in there |
| 19:49.45 | tarzeau | Amarande: is it turned on? volume up? |
| 19:49.45 | Amarande | tarzeau: well, it's definitely connected between the drive and soundcard |
| 19:49.56 | Amarande | xmms recognizes the CD and tracks |
| 19:49.57 | tarzeau | Amarande: well women also have two holes |
| 19:50.02 | tarzeau | Amarande: and you won't get babies in one |
| 19:50.20 | blondie | you shouldn't need an audio cable for the CD drive really |
| 19:50.26 | tarzeau | the computer won't tell you it's the wrong |
| 19:50.41 | tarzeau | blondie: but you need one for the speakers? |
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| 19:50.58 | blondie | tarzeau: not if they work by magic |
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| 19:52.03 | Amarande | ** ERROR **: file gst-cdparanoia-cdrom.c: line 291 (build_pipeline): assertion failed: (priv->audio_sink != 0) |
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| 19:52.11 | Amarande | That's what it said when I ran it in a term |
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| 19:52.53 | abrotman | Amarande: bad CD ? |
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| 19:53.03 | Amarande | abrotman: i've tried it with two CDs so far |
| 19:53.10 | abrotman | ok .. bad CDs? |
| 19:53.10 | Amarande | I can't imagine my entire media collection being bad |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | Amarande: do you leave them in your car? |
| 19:53.24 | Amarande | abrotman: no. |
| 19:53.45 | Amarande | also, if I double-click the "Audio Disc" icon on the desktop, it loads up and shows me the tracks |
| 19:53.57 | Amarande | priv->audio_sink sounds like a permissions issue |
| 19:54.07 | abrotman | did you check the bts? |
| 19:54.50 | blondie | audio CDs are so 1990s |
| 19:54.57 | blondie | :P |
| 19:55.06 | iostream | Hex-editor for Linux?:) |
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| 19:55.29 | abrotman | blondie: i have a few cases of cassettes in my closet :) |
| 19:55.29 | Blissex | iostream: many. |
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| 19:55.42 | blondie | retro |
| 19:55.45 | Blissex | iostream: 'beav' for example. |
| 19:55.58 | iostream | ok |
| 19:56.04 | thingfish | I don't get audio via gnome cd player either. |
| 19:56.23 | thingfish | almost never do, no matter which distro - and I also have the cable. |
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| 19:56.44 | thingfish | but I don't care much, since I rarely listen to audio cds. |
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| 19:57.15 | abrotman | thingfish: cause you have no taste! |
| 19:57.16 | iostream | Blissex: How do you scroll down in beav? :) |
| 19:57.23 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 19:58.30 | Blissex | iostream: 'beav' is Emacs keypress compatible... |
| 19:58.46 | iostream | Blissex: Ah, sadly I don't use emacs |
| 19:58.53 | iostream | but "strings" will cover my needs.. |
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| 19:59.02 | dany | hola |
| 19:59.03 | iostream | Well, thanks guys, managed to recover some, but not all |
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| 19:59.54 | dany | estais todos los de aki con linux? os recomiendo el nuevo linux 2006 tiene 4 escritorios y es muy facl de usar |
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| 20:01.13 | nox_ghost | hi.. can I choose packages in the debian installer? or everything comes by default like in ubuntu ? |
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| 20:01.25 | abrotman | nox_ghost: you choose after the install |
| 20:01.26 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:01.26 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 20:01.26 | chealer | nox_ghost: you can choose |
| 20:01.32 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:01.33 | Amarande | Ripping track 13 to /home/amarande/mp3/lycia/compilation_appearances_vol1/fields.wav |
| 20:01.49 | Amarande | grip seems to be able to rip just fine |
| 20:01.54 | Amarande | I don't know what the trouble with the players is |
| 20:01.58 | Amarande | I'll see what happens when I try to play the WAV |
| 20:02.14 | nox_ghost | abauer, thank you.. |
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| 20:02.43 | ^Ocean^ | what package has genksyms |
| 20:02.46 | chealer | that was a nice mix :) |
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| 20:03.23 | nox_ghost | I mean like in Fedora, you can choose if you want development and stuff like that in the install process. In debian I do it after the system is installed? |
| 20:04.08 | chealer | nox_ghost: when you want. but debian's equivalent is less sophisticated I think |
| 20:04.22 | Amarande | okay, grip can rip without errors |
| 20:04.22 | chealer | nox_ghost: (although I never used Fedora myself) |
| 20:04.41 | Amarande | xmms can play the WAV without errors (though there seems to be an AWFUL lot of 'echo' effect in the background ... I don't remember that last time I listened to this track) |
| 20:04.54 | nox_ghost | So with which applications debian comes? I mean, by default |
| 20:04.59 | Amarande | why can't gnome-cd or xmms play the CD directly, then? ... |
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| 20:05.03 | basix | nox_ghost, well for the debian system, the base install is common. you can then customize it however you want server, workstation, desktop, laptop... |
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| 20:05.59 | Chance | !find pine |
| 20:06.00 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pine' (7): pgp4pine ;; pine-tracker ;; pinentry-curses ;; pinentry-doc ;; pinentry-gtk ;; pinentry-gtk2 ;; pinentry-qt. |
| 20:06.30 | Chance | anyone knows what's the package of pine ?= |
| 20:06.47 | Amarande | chance: pine doesn't have a debian package |
| 20:06.55 | danieldg | when I run apt-get check, I get "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" - what does this mean? |
| 20:07.06 | Amarande | chance: you have to build it yourself, due to license restrictions |
| 20:07.11 | chealer | !tell danieldg about mmap |
| 20:07.27 | Chance | where i can get it ? |
| 20:08.37 | danieldg | thanks |
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| 20:08.39 | chealer | nox_ghost: there are too many to list them on IRC |
| 20:08.43 | GomoX | Hi |
| 20:08.55 | nox_ghost | chealer, yeah okay I found some in distrowatch |
| 20:09.17 | GomoX | How can i tell apt that i don't have libwxgtk2.4-contrib but i have libwxgtk2.4-1-contrib, and please install the package anyway? |
| 20:09.31 | ^Ocean^ | okay so I downloaded linux-source-2.6.15 into /usr/src made symlink from linux -> linux-source-2.6.15 ran a make menuconfig and then went todo make modules, but it fails with "/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory" What am I missing ? |
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| 20:10.39 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: why did you make that symlink? |
| 20:11.35 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: but thats not the source of your error, you need a kernel first to make modules for it, anyway just use 'make' |
| 20:12.00 | chealer | GomoX: which package? |
| 20:12.11 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: or even better use make-kpkg |
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| 20:12.15 | Seb | sup yall |
| 20:12.18 | Asgeir | Hello, World ! |
| 20:12.19 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn: I have a kernel... and i made the symlink because back in the day when i first started running linux ( Slackware ) thas what the Kernel-HowTo told me todo lol. |
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| 20:12.38 | Seb | using 2.6.15, cdrecord keeps saying "Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second." when I do cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA: |
| 20:12.41 | Seb | any ideas why ? |
| 20:12.53 | GomoX | chealer: hugin, from an unofficial source |
| 20:13.00 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: that symlink is pointless, you havent built a kernel in that source tree |
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| 20:13.11 | ^Ocean^ | baldyn: also when i try and "make" in the linux source directory, I get the same error.. "/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory" |
| 20:13.21 | nox_ghost | ^Ocean^, I wrote a script for the 2.6.14.4 kernel. It should work for the 2.6.14.5 kernel with slight changes |
| 20:13.29 | theD3viL | can there be a problem if i have turned on computer and somebody HARD reset its? |
| 20:13.37 | nox_ghost | It installs and compiles the kernel |
| 20:13.54 | nox_ghost | http://ilunix.org/scripts/CompileKernel26144.sh |
| 20:13.55 | ^Ocean^ | i cant get it to compile the kernel tho |
| 20:14.03 | GomoX | theD3viL: yes, you can screw your filesystems and lose all your data |
| 20:14.09 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: why cant you? |
| 20:14.09 | chealer | GomoX: the package needs to be rebuilt against the current library |
| 20:14.13 | GomoX | chealer: ouch |
| 20:14.25 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn, when i type "make" i get "/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory" |
| 20:14.25 | nox_ghost | ^Ocean^, but please, work a bit on this script.. don't use it as is -> it is for the 26144 kernel, and for ubuntu |
| 20:14.37 | GomoX | theD3viL: but it shouldn't happen if you use a journaling filesystem like ext3 or reiserfs |
| 20:14.57 | zinx | GomoX: data will still be lost |
| 20:15.09 | theD3viL | GomoX, i using ext3. But if i lose i lose everything, not just one thing? |
| 20:15.13 | zinx | depending on what it was doing, you can leave things in a messed up state |
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| 20:15.28 | GomoX | zinx: well, transactions are typically meant to avoid this |
| 20:15.43 | GomoX | theD3viL: it depends, it's not a predictable situation |
| 20:15.54 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:15.54 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:16.00 | theD3viL | and why i cant play mp3s with amaroK, and i have gstreamer alsaink? |
| 20:16.18 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn, best i can figure is im missing an important package for compileing things... but i dont have the foggest idea what package. |
| 20:16.26 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: any error above that error? |
| 20:16.32 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn, nope |
| 20:16.41 | GomoX | o_O |
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| 20:16.46 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: run 'make oldconfig' and try again |
| 20:16.48 | Amarande | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
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| 20:16.55 | Amarande | any way to get that disc out without having to reboot the entire machine? |
| 20:16.57 | theD3viL | GomoX, my mother wasnt know how to reboot comp, so she hard reset it :> |
| 20:16.59 | zinx | GomoX: applications rarely do atomic operations on data, and even if they did, everything still in the cache would still be lost |
| 20:17.12 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn, same error |
| 20:17.34 | GomoX | zinx: i meant at the FS level |
| 20:17.45 | zinx | GomoX: the FS isn't the only thing involved :) |
| 20:17.46 | GomoX | obviously if you weren't saving your work you will lose it no matter what fs you use |
| 20:17.53 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn, if u join flood, i can past all the info... only like 8 lines |
| 20:17.59 | zinx | GomoX: ext3 only journals metadata by default, too |
| 20:17.59 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: ok |
| 20:18.03 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: im in flood.. |
| 20:18.15 | nox_ghost | cya |
| 20:18.16 | theD3viL | anybody know why i cant play mp3s with amaroK, and i have gstreamer alsaink? |
| 20:18.25 | tarzeau | theD3viL: no |
| 20:18.29 | GomoX | FS corruption can't be cause by applications |
| 20:18.32 | GomoX | *caused |
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| 20:18.38 | theD3viL | tarzeau, :> |
| 20:18.39 | zinx | GomoX: it's not just a matter of not saving.. it's a matter of if an application was in the middle of doing something, its data could be corrupted |
| 20:18.56 | ^Ocean^ | valdyn, k pasted it |
| 20:18.58 | GomoX | zinx: sure, but it won't crash your FS and make you "lose data" |
| 20:19.00 | zinx | GomoX: data corruption can be caused by applications being shut down in the middle of an operation, or by data being written out of order (it is) |
| 20:19.14 | zinx | GomoX: it can. |
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| 20:19.38 | zinx | GomoX: only what was actively being written that had not yet completely been flushed, true |
| 20:19.59 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: looks like a broken source tree to me |
| 20:20.00 | GomoX | Well you typically don't care about that when you hard reset your computer :P |
| 20:20.08 | zinx | GomoX: hehe :) |
| 20:20.10 | valdyn | ^Ocean^: extract it again and try again... |
| 20:20.19 | zinx | GomoX: you live without pets or children, I take it ;) |
| 20:20.35 | SimonRaven | GomoX: or when someone kill -9 some pid ... |
| 20:20.43 | zinx | GomoX: or in this case, mothers, i guess |
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| 20:21.20 | GomoX | my reset button is unplugged and powerbtn.sh does "/sbin/halt" :) |
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| 20:21.27 | GomoX | that's better |
| 20:21.29 | dr1v3r | guys when i am installing a package i dont get the prompt "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]" how can i fix this? |
| 20:21.53 | GomoX | dr1v3r: that's not the prompt |
| 20:21.54 | xam | dr1v3r: press 'Y' |
| 20:22.03 | GomoX | dr1v3r: the prompt is what's before that |
| 20:22.05 | zinx | GomoX: until the kid figures out he can hold the button down to make it go off faster :D |
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| 20:22.25 | GomoX | no kids around here :) |
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| 20:22.40 | GomoX | dr1v3r: read what it says and make a decision |
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| 20:24.15 | Kerr | k3b died a horrible death and is in D state.. does tha mean i have to reboot to get it to work? #kde people think so, but it seems a little extreme :-/ |
| 20:24.24 | xam | dr1v3r: if you install via apt-get, try '-u' |
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| 20:25.57 | valdyn | Kerr: they're probably right |
| 20:25.59 | bkhl | Hm. Still no luck with my wifi stuff... |
| 20:26.23 | bkhl | Now at least 'iwlist eth0 scan' sees my router. |
| 20:26.37 | Amarande | "D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)" |
| 20:26.37 | bkhl | But I'm still in the dark on how I should set up a DHCP connection on the interface. |
| 20:26.47 | Amarande | sounds like some sort of kernel problem |
| 20:26.51 | Amarande | did the kernel report anything in syslog? |
| 20:26.59 | valdyn | Amarande: because the new versions have a changed interface, not just some additions |
| 20:27.01 | bkhl | Amarande: are you talking to me? |
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| 20:27.19 | Amarande | kerr, did your kernel report anything to syslog when it died? |
| 20:27.25 | xlotlu | how can i mkinitrd in a chrooted environment? |
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| 20:27.56 | valdyn | xlotlu: the same as in a non-chrooted environment |
| 20:28.33 | Heart`Of`Steel | Hello, I wanna ask you, how to make my Debian detect 1gb ram installed. The actual size that free -m shows me now is 885MB. I am using 2.6.12-1-386 kernel |
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| 20:28.34 | xlotlu | valdyn: i constantly get "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hda1 is not a block device" -- Failed to create initrd image. |
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| 20:29.12 | valdyn | xlotlu: and? is /dev/hda1 a block device on your chroot? |
| 20:29.18 | valdyn | xlotlu: ls -ld /dev/hda1 |
| 20:29.26 | valdyn | xlotlu: ^^^ in the chroot naturally |
| 20:29.42 | chealer | Heart`Of`Steel: you need to get a HIGHMEM kernel |
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| 20:30.15 | xlotlu | valdyn: no, there actually isn't one. the entire story is i'm trying to do a deboostrap install from a knoppix cd |
| 20:30.36 | valdyn | xlotlu: so fix your chroot's /dev |
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| 20:30.56 | Kerr | Amarande: not that i cans ee, but syslog is spammed up by IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:0d:60:89:0e:72:08:00 SRC=150.204.136.104 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=196 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=2 ID=21898 PROTO=UDP SPT=7777 DPT=7777 LEN=176 |
| 20:31.07 | valdyn | xlotlu: you can just bind mount the 'real' /dev to /mnt/chroot/dev/ if knoppix uses the same layout as debian |
| 20:31.46 | valdyn | Kerr: shorewall does that.. |
| 20:32.08 | dr1v3r | GomoX sorry i wasnt thorough with the question |
| 20:32.29 | dr1v3r | the first time i installed a certain package it gave me an interface which asked me a few questions about setup before it continued, but i had to remove it. I used --purge to make sure that i removed it completey, but when i have tried to install it again i do not get the interface with them questions |
| 20:32.35 | valdyn | Kerr: ( the logging part, not sure which app does use port 7777 ) |
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| 20:32.40 | GomoX | oh |
| 20:32.46 | GomoX | dpkg-reconfigure $PACKAGE |
| 20:32.56 | dr1v3r | didnt work |
| 20:33.07 | GomoX | then you are not trying to reconfigure the right package |
| 20:33.07 | valdyn | dr1v3r: so you purged the wrong package |
| 20:33.12 | valdyn | dr1v3r: which package is this about? |
| 20:33.21 | dr1v3r | no i purged the right package |
| 20:33.27 | valdyn | dr1v3r: no you didnt |
| 20:33.29 | GomoX | i.e there are questions about apache config asked when you install apache-base |
| 20:33.33 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.37 | dr1v3r | egroupware-fudforum |
| 20:33.49 | dr1v3r | yes i did valdyn |
| 20:33.53 | GomoX | Kerr: iptables probably |
| 20:34.06 | nfluvial | Hi. Quick question: Firestarter stopped showing events at all, even though it got scanned and all. Firewall is working fine, but shows nothing blocked. Ideas? |
| 20:34.22 | valdyn | dr1v3r: you did not purge and reinstall the package that gave you the dialogues you are looking for |
| 20:34.53 | dr1v3r | this was the package i installed when it gave me the prompt |
| 20:34.57 | GomoX | valdyn: do an apt-cache show $PACKAGE and see if a package among the dependencies of $PACKAGE could have asked you the questions |
| 20:35.01 | GomoX | dr1v3r: it doesn't matter |
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| 20:35.08 | nfluvial | And by the way, where does it save it's logs anyway? or does it take them directly from syslog? |
| 20:35.09 | Heart`Of`Steel | chealer, thank you |
| 20:35.21 | GomoX | dr1v3r: the questions were obviously from a dependency, and not from the package itself |
| 20:35.28 | valdyn | dr1v3r: it was a package that egroupware-fudforum depends on |
| 20:35.30 | Kerr | GomoX: could be something to do with sharing the net with my laptop.. how could i turn it off? it spams up my ttys too. |
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| 20:35.51 | yosef | Anyone here know how to work out deb repo problems? I've got a problem with python2.3-glade... |
| 20:35.56 | valdyn | dr1v3r: try dpkg-reconfigure egroupware-core |
| 20:36.01 | dr1v3r | ohhh rite, sorry valdyn |
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| 20:36.16 | dr1v3r | i didnt realise it installed other things with it |
| 20:36.29 | dr1v3r | thats what i need :D |
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| 20:36.31 | RvGaTe | i need help!!! :P |
| 20:36.45 | WinXpUser | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.46 | RvGaTe | imhaving trouwebls with my vsftpd |
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| 20:36.59 | valdyn | Kerr: read /etc/sysctl.conf, the kernel/printk line |
| 20:37.03 | theD3viL | WinXpUser, yes |
| 20:37.14 | WinXpUser | how easy is "Easy" ? |
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| 20:37.25 | theD3viL | WinXpUser, you just selecting :) |
| 20:37.31 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: why don't you try and see for yourself? |
| 20:37.33 | theD3viL | WinXpUser, nothing special |
| 20:37.37 | WinXpUser | CLI or GUI? |
| 20:37.40 | valdyn | Kerr: but that's just to stop console spam, the messages are triggered by your firewall setup |
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| 20:37.46 | theD3viL | WinXpUser, text mode |
| 20:37.47 | RvGaTe | the configuration looks solid, i can login using normal users that are on the system... but whatever i do, like creating dirs or uploading files, i get a permission denied |
| 20:38.03 | Kerr | valdyn: everything in that file is commented out O.o |
| 20:38.14 | valdyn | Kerr: yea i know |
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| 20:38.29 | valdyn | Kerr: #kernel/printk ... |
| 20:38.45 | nicolas_faf | Hello |
| 20:38.54 | nicolas_faf | Where Can I found the alioth channel ? |
| 20:39.04 | valdyn | !alioth |
| 20:39.05 | dpkg | i heard alioth is http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html |
| 20:39.12 | Kerr | valdyn: there is no #kernel/printk line.. |
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| 20:39.21 | nicolas_faf | !alioth |
| 20:39.21 | dpkg | it has been said that alioth is http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html |
| 20:39.28 | valdyn | Kerr: you are using sarge? |
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| 20:39.52 | Kerr | valdyn: yeah |
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| 20:41.07 | Kerr | valdyn: i pasted the file's contents in #flood |
| 20:41.11 | nfluvial | hmmm.. |
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| 20:42.18 | valdyn | Kerr: http://pastebin.com/542144 |
| 20:42.19 | orangechicken | any opinions on whether the unofficial sarge amd64 is a good idea or if it'd be better to wait for etch / anyone try it? |
| 20:42.47 | nfluvial | hmmm, gotta try something out, brb |
| 20:43.06 | valdyn | orangechicken: it does get official security support |
| 20:43.09 | dr1v3r | http://pastebin.com/542150 any chance any one could tell me why i receive that error after i have done dpkg-reconfigure egroupware-core |
| 20:43.20 | dr1v3r | i know the files are not there but how i can fix it? |
| 20:44.01 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 20:44.01 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 20:44.23 | valdyn | dr1v3r: read what dpkg said and reinstall egroupware-core |
| 20:44.27 | MOtheRus | i've installed php with apt-get install php4 but i can't find the php executable file .. |
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| 20:44.31 | MOtheRus | Oo? |
| 20:44.34 | chealer | orangechicken: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 20:44.39 | dr1v3r | ok thanks |
| 20:45.23 | epsilon | MOtheRus: you mean binary for shell? |
| 20:45.30 | MOtheRus | yes |
| 20:45.45 | orangechicken | ahh, thank you |
| 20:45.45 | epsilon | try php-cli |
| 20:45.45 | MOtheRus | ok thx |
| 20:45.46 | dr1v3r | what do i put for the ::options:: part? |
| 20:45.47 | epsilon | or php4-cli whatever |
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| 20:46.24 | xlotlu | valdyn: bind mounting /dev fixed it, thanks |
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| 20:46.29 | MOtheRus | kk works! THX |
| 20:46.33 | valdyn | xlotlu: welcome |
| 20:46.40 | epsilon | np |
| 20:46.57 | epsilon | MOtheRus: and -cli has own php.ini, don't forget to edit it |
| 20:47.19 | Amarande | *sigh* lyre.mit.edu is laggy today |
| 20:47.54 | valdyn | Amarande: its your isp, its not laggy |
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| 20:48.34 | Amarande | valdyn: haven't noticed lag elsewhere |
| 20:48.36 | Khereth | I have a nForce4 motherboard, with a nVidia nForce NIC - any idea where i should look for the network drivers for this onboard NIC? (Asus A8N-SLI) - can't seem to find it .. |
| 20:49.03 | MOtheRus | OK |
| 20:49.14 | Amarande | looks like the Level3.net backbone in Boston is laggy |
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| 20:50.27 | Amarande | ae-12-55.car2.Boston1.Level3.net is not performing well today heh |
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| 20:50.54 | Amarande | khereth: just buy an intel PCI eth card |
| 20:50.59 | Amarande | they're not that expensive these days, even the gigabit ones |
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| 20:51.14 | Amarande | plus, if you ever buy anything like Maya that's nodelocked |
| 20:51.24 | Amarande | that sort of software tends to base itself off your MAC |
| 20:51.31 | Amarande | so having a card you can take with you when you upgrade is important |
| 20:51.35 | nfluvial | Ok, it worked. For the record, using "dmesg -n 1" to shut up spurious messages to the console also renders the iptables firewall messages mute, which of course affects firestarter. |
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| 20:52.18 | oldfart | anybody know where I can find a good writeup on using the new tunnel features in openssh4.3? |
| 20:52.22 | abrotman | Khereth: i thought those drivers were in the kernel now |
| 20:52.23 | dr1v3r | guys is this right? |
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| 20:52.27 | Khereth | Amarande: i'm a student, can hardly afford a decent breakfast :) but the link http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0310.html seems to work today, didn't yesterday - gonna try it out |
| 20:52.27 | dr1v3r | apt-get -o DPkg=--force-confmiss --reinstall egroupware-fudforum |
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| 20:52.48 | Khereth | abrotman: i tested them all with the net-install cd image, didn't see them |
| 20:52.58 | nissemus | Hello anybody here running amd dualcore? |
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| 20:53.02 | Khereth | abrotman: gonna try nvnet again though |
| 20:53.07 | abrotman | Khereth: they might not be in sarge's kernels |
| 20:53.16 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 20:53.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 20:53.39 | zinx | nissemus: i'm sure someone is |
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| 20:53.51 | Khereth | abrotman: sarge is without 64bit support yet? |
| 20:54.00 | abrotman | right |
| 20:54.03 | abrotman | well .. kind of |
| 20:54.05 | zinx | Khereth: sarge will never have official amd64 support, i think |
| 20:54.13 | nissemus | yep |
| 20:54.16 | abrotman | there's a 64bit kernel .. but not pure64 |
| 20:54.26 | abrotman | unless you're running something that has been 64bit for a while |
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| 20:55.01 | nfluvial | Also, i don't see it on the options, but how do you drop unauthorized UDP traffic? or do i need to add a custom iptables rule? |
| 20:55.03 | Khereth | but it's a "flawless" and working release? don't wanna mess with anything i can't handle |
| 20:55.26 | zinx | Khereth: lots of missing packages, i think |
| 20:55.33 | dr1v3r | valdyn is this right? apt-get -o DPkg=--force-confmiss --reinstall egroupware-fudforum |
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| 20:56.37 | Khereth | zinx: i'll just stick to 32bit then for now, and perhaps try out sarge amd-64 when i'm more comfortable with the whole way of the system again |
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| 20:56.55 | zinx | Khereth: wait 'til etch is released in 15 or so years :D |
| 20:57.07 | Khereth | haha :) |
| 20:57.37 | kspath | any of you have a list of debian links? |
| 20:57.52 | starfishy | what links are you looking for? |
| 20:58.01 | amee2k | how can i change the runlevel configuration? update-rc.d complains that symlinks already exist. |
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| 20:58.29 | GomoX | amee2k: what do you want to do |
| 20:58.33 | GomoX | remove symlinks? |
| 20:58.36 | GomoX | use "-f" |
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| 20:58.46 | amee2k | change the runlevels privoxy is started for |
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| 20:59.03 | amee2k | -f only works for remove |
| 20:59.08 | GomoX | amee2k: yep |
| 20:59.16 | GomoX | so remove and then create only the symlinks you want |
| 20:59.19 | GomoX | man update-rc.d |
| 20:59.39 | amee2k | i wonder if there is an easier way to change the config |
| 20:59.55 | GomoX | amee2k: yes, just rm the symlinks you don't want |
| 20:59.57 | Kresten | Hi! I'm about to do my first install of debian... Is there anything specific I should know before installing? I have the 1 disc install, so I will probably get a only a minimal system, right? |
| 20:59.57 | GomoX | tada |
| 21:00.11 | GomoX | Kresten: yep, sort of |
| 21:00.18 | petemc | Kresten: have a look at the install guide |
| 21:00.36 | ^Ocean^ | Kresten, most stuff can be installed afterwards via the internet ant apt |
| 21:00.37 | kspath | starfishy: yes, I realize it is vague. I meant debian realted links outside of debian.org. |
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| 21:01.21 | kspath | starfishy: my memory is far from perfect and I prefer to keep it clear for important/pressing things so I keep bookmarks outside my brain whenever I can. |
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| 21:01.27 | e-doll | can someone help me to stop my ctrl key from being my cap locks key? i have a micro innovations keyboard, i don't know how many key layout that is. |
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| 21:01.38 | mouldy | Anyone know how to get 5.1 surround sound working with debian sid? |
| 21:01.50 | abrotman | mouldy: that's a bit vague |
| 21:01.57 | Kresten | petemc: Yeah, well I did that. Just wanted to know from you guys. You are the real Debian ;) |
| 21:02.03 | mouldy | abrotman: What else do you need to know? |
| 21:02.07 | kspath | starfishy: I decided after all these years I would create a site for myself and others spath.net It is quite lame/weak but it is a start. |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | kernel/card/audio drivers/etc .. but i've never done 5.1 |
| 21:02.31 | GomoX | mouldy: google is your friend |
| 21:02.43 | GomoX | if anyone has done it, the chances are you will find it there, not here |
| 21:02.45 | mouldy | Gomox: I've googled here there and everywhere and I'm still clueless |
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| 21:02.54 | e-doll | can someone help me to stop my ctrl key from being my cap locks key? i have a micro innovations keyboard, i don't know how many key layout that is. |
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| 21:03.04 | mouldy | Isn't surround sound a pretty common thing on linux desktops? |
| 21:03.22 | abrotman | mouldy: i sold most of my machines and bought a laptop a few years ago |
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| 21:03.35 | Sweet_kate | how can i play shoutcast radios on linux(is there a winamp-like prog?)?? |
| 21:03.37 | abrotman | mouldy: are you using alsa? what is your audio card? |
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| 21:03.42 | abrotman | Sweet_kate: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:04.01 | mouldy | abrotman: It's just an onboard 5.1 AC97 card and yes, I'm using alsa |
| 21:04.06 | maatttt | Hi all. |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | mouldy: did you check at alsa-project.org ? |
| 21:04.24 | MrObvious | Sweet_kate: You can use xmms and icecst. |
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| 21:04.37 | abrotman | !captain obvious MrObvious |
| 21:04.39 | MrObvious | *icecast |
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| 21:04.59 | mouldy | abrotman: Yeah but I didnt find it very helpful |
| 21:05.00 | linuxuser | hi |
| 21:05.02 | MrObvious | !admiral nice abauer |
| 21:05.04 | MrObvious | :\ |
| 21:05.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:05.10 | maatttt | Can anyone tell me if RRDTool v1.2 is ever likely to work with Debian Sarge ? |
| 21:05.12 | MrObvious | Nevermind. |
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| 21:05.42 | abrotman | mouldy: perhaps ask #alsa .. it's entirely possible the drivers don't support 5.1 for that card |
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| 21:05.43 | MrObvious | I'm gonna try to reinstall Debian today to see if I can get it to work. |
| 21:05.56 | mouldy | abrotman: Ok thanks, will do =) |
| 21:05.57 | MrObvious | mouldy: Can you tell me what chipset you have? |
| 21:06.19 | Chance | any ideea where i can get pico package ? |
| 21:06.21 | linuxuser | do someone know a really small debian version with apt-get? i tried to rip debian sarge, but i dont get it under 200 mb... |
| 21:06.26 | mouldy | MrObvious: Give me a min, I'll look it up in my mobo book |
| 21:06.34 | MrObvious | Ok. |
| 21:06.35 | abrotman | mouldy: lspci might be easier |
| 21:06.45 | jjazz | Chance: apt-cache search pico |
| 21:06.56 | Chance | it does not exists |
| 21:07.08 | jjazz | I think it's not free, maybe? |
| 21:07.09 | starfishy | linuxuser: if you want to go below that you will have to manually customize the system |
| 21:07.21 | jjazz | Chance: try nano... same thing, but free, IIRC. |
| 21:07.23 | mrex | ive got a iptables redirect from port 80 ->3128 (to squid proxy) but when i access the web i get the error of an invalid url, the first bit of the url is missing |
| 21:07.37 | linuxuser | yes, but im not skilled enough |
| 21:07.38 | Chance | it's free |
| 21:07.39 | mrex | e.g. google.com, squid says, can't find page / |
| 21:07.42 | mouldy | MrObvious: The chipset is SiS 748 |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | Chance: pico/pine are not Debian FREE! |
| 21:07.54 | mouldy | abrotman: Thanks, I'll google it :) |
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| 21:08.03 | mrex | when i use squid as a proxy setting in galeon (and no iptables redirect) all is fine |
| 21:08.03 | abrotman | mouldy: lspci .. what is the line for your audio device ? |
| 21:08.06 | jjazz | Chance: No, IIRC, the license doesn't let you distribute derivative works. |
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| 21:08.22 | MrObvious | mouldy: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-SiS#matrix |
| 21:08.40 | MrObvious | It doesn't seem it's supported by alsa. |
| 21:08.41 | MrObvious | Sowwy. |
| 21:08.42 | phead | anyone know of a web based device management system to store ip and user auth info that will encrypt its db similar to phpchain? |
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| 21:08.50 | mouldy | abrotman: oh sorry, it says "0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 21:08.51 | mouldy | " I think thats all there is to do with sound |
| 21:09.02 | MrObvious | mouldy: You might see if there is a driver for it from SiS. |
| 21:09.11 | mouldy | MrObvious: ok, thanks |
| 21:09.47 | Kurtism | you guys know of any good sites that do reviews and benchmarks of network switches |
| 21:09.51 | abrotman | mouldy: is there another line that looksl ike it might be similar ? |
| 21:09.53 | NLoRD | is there any way to see the data of the journal of ext3? |
| 21:09.58 | MrObvious | mouldy: Yup. |
| 21:10.25 | MrObvious | NLoRD: Do you mean the actual data on a hard drive or something. |
| 21:10.27 | linuxuser | and do someone know (a) howto to get fluxbox(or similar) working with framebuffer? |
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| 21:10.49 | NLoRD | I mean everything that are writtern to journal of the fs |
| 21:10.59 | Jmax | hi, who do i talk about an old version of checkinstall in debian packages? |
| 21:11.02 | mouldy | abrotman: Here's all the output of lspci http://pastebin.com/542210 |
| 21:11.33 | NLoRD | the journal is about 130MB, I want to see what are there in the journal, is there any way to be deleted data at the journal? |
| 21:11.39 | abrotman | mouldy: you have ISA .. and a Radeon 9600 ? |
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| 21:11.55 | abrotman | erm .. and usb2 |
| 21:12.10 | mouldy | abrotman: I have a radeon 9600, ISA as in the old slots? Nope |
| 21:12.19 | abrotman | you have an ISA bridge .. which is odd |
| 21:12.21 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 21:12.21 | Jmax | hm |
| 21:12.23 | MrObvious | linuxuser: Wrong channel? |
| 21:12.33 | linuxuser | maybe |
| 21:12.34 | e-doll | what is the command for me to set my keyboard back the the original settings please? |
| 21:12.43 | linuxuser | cya |
| 21:12.45 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 21:12.45 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 21:12.48 | Jmax | how can i determine the package maintainer of a package? |
| 21:12.58 | abrotman | mouldy: i'd ask #alsa .. they may know exactly where the docs are. |
| 21:12.59 | Jmax | checkinstall needs one heck of an update |
| 21:13.04 | abrotman | Jmax: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 21:13.09 | Jmax | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 21:13.14 | mouldy | abrotman: Ok thanks for all your help anyway |
| 21:13.17 | MrObvious | abrotman: Actually modern systems do have some kind of ISA something or another in a bus I believe. I know my P4 478 mobo has an ISA bus for the temp probes. |
| 21:13.31 | Jmax | hm |
| 21:13.42 | Aaton | xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 and linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 don't seem to play nice with each other... |
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| 21:13.55 | abrotman | MrObvious: dunno .. seems pretty odd to me .. maybe it's just because i look at my laptops lspci more than any others |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | Aaton: BTS says? |
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| 21:14.58 | josephu | Can someone help me set up a MS Multimedia Keyboard? I used all the MS layouts in X and still not all keys are recognized... |
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| 21:15.35 | Aaton | on my IBM T43... abrotman not sure if its a xorg problem or kernel issue. get a nice... |
| 21:15.36 | Aaton | /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 21:15.36 | Aaton | Stopping K Display Manager: kdm------------[ cut here ]------------ |
| 21:15.36 | Aaton | kernel BUG at mm/swap.c:49! |
| 21:15.36 | Aaton | (stuff cut) |
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| 21:15.46 | amphi | josephu: xev shows nothing for them? |
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| 21:15.58 | abrotman | !tell aaton about bts |
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| 21:16.29 | josephu | amphi, nope... |
| 21:17.24 | maatttt | I'm setting up Sarge within VMware, which kernel do I use, 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 21:17.58 | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | I would use 2.6 |
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| 21:18.02 | amphi | josephu: what about showkey in console ? |
| 21:18.07 | mouldy | Id ues 2.6 |
| 21:18.37 | josephu | amphi, how do i check that? |
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| 21:19.39 | amphi | josephu: run showkey in console and bash the keys |
| 21:19.50 | rrrrr | can anyone recomend a good pci 802* card with drivers that will work on powerpc? |
| 21:19.54 | Kresten | I'm installing debian right now, but I'm having problems connecting to the apt-mirrors... Any ideas? My router is configured to DHCP so it should be easy... |
| 21:20.05 | josephu | when i run showkey i get "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
| 21:20.34 | MrObvious | Kresten: Has this system been on the Internet before? Does it have basic connectivity? |
| 21:20.40 | MrObvious | Are there link lights on the NIC? |
| 21:20.52 | tpr | wuz has happened to my apt-get it cant find packages that used to be there ;( |
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| 21:21.21 | jjazz | tpr: apt-get update |
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| 21:21.36 | tpr | jjazz: i just did :) think im missing some sources.. |
| 21:21.38 | djp | is anyone here aware of whether this project is still active, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 21:21.53 | d0ug | on a large debian network, is there a way to apt-get update/upgrade all the boxes through one machine instead of having each one download? |
| 21:22.01 | Kresten | MrObvious: I was on the internet 10 minutes ago with a Ubuntu live cd... And yes the light is on :D |
| 21:22.05 | Covener | d0ug: apt-proxy |
| 21:22.13 | d0ug | nice thanks |
| 21:22.24 | jjazz | tpr: If you've buggered your sources.list, restore to your old when and apt-get update again. Or pick a different/better mirror (apt-spy). |
| 21:22.31 | jjazz | s/when/one/ |
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| 21:22.49 | tpr | jjazz: if a package is in packages.debian.org, should it not be seen in apt-cache search too? :( |
| 21:22.57 | josephu | amphi? |
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| 21:23.19 | jjazz | tpr: Depends. Not all packages are in all repositories... some might exist in sid that don't exist in sarge, for example. |
| 21:23.38 | jjazz | tpr: And some might be in non-free or something like that. |
| 21:23.52 | rrrrr | Kresten: do "more /etc/apt/sources.list" then see what it says |
| 21:24.04 | tpr | jjazz: oh okey, just weird I remember having certain packages before, and they dont pop up anymore :), gonna see to sources.list |
| 21:24.22 | jjazz | tpr: Maybe some packages were uninstalled by apt-get. |
| 21:24.32 | Kresten | rrrrr: I'm in the middle of my installation... Is it possible? |
| 21:24.39 | rrrrr | sure |
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| 21:24.50 | rrrrr | switch between virtual terminals |
| 21:25.06 | rrrrr | control+option+f2 |
| 21:25.10 | Kresten | F-something? |
| 21:25.15 | Kresten | ok :D |
| 21:25.50 | tpr | jjazz: yea a lot of them were, coz I messed up a bit earlier ;> |
| 21:26.05 | jjazz | tpr: Ah. Well that explains that. |
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| 21:26.29 | Matt-H | josephu: were you trying from a terminal within X? if so, try ctrl+alt+F1 and try it in there |
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| 21:27.07 | Kresten | rrrrr: Well it only lists my cd-rom... It can't connect |
| 21:27.29 | josephu | Matt-H, I'm in gnome terminal |
| 21:27.32 | Kresten | rrrrr: ... while testing the source... |
| 21:27.46 | rrrrr | put this in there |
| 21:27.48 | rrrrr | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:27.48 | rrrrr | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:27.48 | rrrrr | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 21:27.54 | rrrrr | oops |
| 21:28.00 | Matt-H | josephu: try it from a virtual terinal (rather than a terminal app within X) - I got that error from within X, but not from outside of X |
| 21:28.28 | MrObvious | :p |
| 21:28.30 | josephu | Matt-H, How do I open a virtual terminal? |
| 21:28.39 | Matt-H | josephu: like I said, Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 21:29.05 | XoR | where are security updates for debian amd64 ??? |
| 21:29.09 | Matt-H | josephu: (Ctrl+alt+F1-F6 are tty1-tty6) |
| 21:29.22 | rrrrr | damn i cant type |
| 21:29.29 | abrotman | Kresten: are you using sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 21:31.20 | MrObvious | rrrrr: Tab completion :p. |
| 21:31.35 | rrrrr | harharhar |
| 21:31.40 | bkhl | OK. I'm noticing something strange with iwconfig now. |
| 21:31.59 | bkhl | I run something like "iwconfig eth0 essid dreaming key off mode managed", |
| 21:32.10 | WinXpUser | d |
| 21:32.16 | rrrrr | die! |
| 21:32.36 | bkhl | but when I then run "iwconfig eth0", it still says ESSID:"". |
| 21:32.49 | bkhl | Is this a clue that something is wrong, and in that case what? |
| 21:33.05 | WinXpUser | could i install Debian on my hard disk? |
| 21:33.11 | rrrrr | yes |
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| 21:33.27 | MrObvious | WinXpUser: You on Winblows? |
| 21:33.32 | rrrrr | haha |
| 21:33.32 | Kresten | rrrrr: Ok, then what? |
| 21:33.38 | abrotman | !d-i WinXpUser |
| 21:33.38 | dpkg | WinXpUser, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:33.43 | rrrrr | are you on sarge Kresten? |
| 21:33.45 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 21:33.45 | dpkg | colinux is probably http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 21:33.45 | x-x-_ | bkhl: `iwconfig` did it show eth0 as a wireless extension? |
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| 21:34.13 | josephu | Matt-H, now |
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| 21:34.26 | MrObvious | Or there is a utility in the Mandriva installer that safely resizes partitions. |
| 21:34.27 | Kresten | rrrrr: well now it's on to something ;) |
| 21:34.29 | djp | is it adviseable to backup any files that are altered, such as sources.list and bashrc? |
| 21:34.29 | dominicano | !seen dvm |
| 21:34.29 | dpkg | dvm <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 8h 7m 30s ago, saying: 'valdyn: So i wait that he has finished to buil the kernel again'. |
| 21:34.33 | rrrrr | Kresten: are you running sarge? |
| 21:34.41 | dominicano | !seen dvm1981 |
| 21:34.41 | dpkg | dvm1981 <n=david@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8d 22h 11m 19s ago, saying: 'fhffhqvb: Need to take a break ?'. |
| 21:34.48 | bkhl | x-x-_: yes, and if I do "iwlist eth0 scan" I find my wireless router. |
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| 21:36.13 | bkhl | x-x-_: however, if I do the iwconfig line above, and then 'dhclient eth0', there's no connection. |
| 21:36.53 | Kresten | rrrrr: just checking... |
| 21:37.01 | x-x-_ | bkhl: iwconfig essid your_id && iwconfig; is essid set? |
| 21:37.07 | rrrrr | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 21:37.09 | rrrrr | ops |
| 21:37.25 | Kresten | rrrrr: Yes, Sarge... |
| 21:37.47 | rrrrr | chage etch to sarge and then run apt-get update and you should be good to go |
| 21:38.09 | Kresten | rrrrr: Ok, thanks a bunch! |
| 21:38.10 | bkhl | iwconfig eth0 essid your_id && iwconfig eth0; you mean. |
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| 21:38.16 | rrrrr | no problem |
| 21:38.24 | bkhl | x-x-: no, it still says ESSID:"" |
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| 21:39.03 | x-x- | bkhl: yea, my bad :D try reloading module |
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| 21:39.43 | ribnitz | evening all.. |
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| 21:40.50 | abrotman | Kresten: run apt-setup |
| 21:40.57 | bkhl | x-x-: rmmod airo; modprobe airo; iwconfig still does the same thing. |
| 21:41.04 | ribnitz | I am looking for an audio playing app, like amarok, but with the possibility that the app recognises songs with the same tags as being the same (eg. .ogg,.flac,.mp3) |
| 21:41.21 | ribnitz | abrotman: I forgot, what kinda list? |
| 21:41.38 | abrotman | ribnitz: mythology .. i think |
| 21:41.39 | MrObvious | Xmms does it. |
| 21:41.52 | beardy | ribnitz: tried xmms? |
| 21:42.02 | ribnitz | MrObvious: Over about 20GB data? |
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| 21:42.11 | ribnitz | MrObvious: Compare XMMS and AMAROK.. |
| 21:42.33 | Kresten | abrotman: Well I'll just restart my installation, and then follow your guides... |
| 21:42.37 | XoR | i can't find k3b and mplayer for amd64 :( |
| 21:42.40 | MrObvious | Xmms reconizes it with the filenames or id3 tags. |
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| 21:43.03 | WinXpUser | Debian looks difficult to install |
| 21:43.12 | Kresten | abrotman: What would you want me to do in there? |
| 21:43.16 | jjazz | WinXpUser: piece of cake |
| 21:43.20 | abrotman | Kresten: your CD drive stops working ? |
| 21:43.20 | x-x- | bkhl: no errors/warnings? you probably need different module? |
| 21:43.24 | WinXpUser | im sure |
| 21:43.30 | djp | do i need to back up any files i edit, like the sources.list? |
| 21:43.41 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Insert Boot CD, boot from cd, answer a few simple questions. |
| 21:43.50 | nkuttler | djp: no, but it's always a good idea to keep backups |
| 21:43.52 | WinXpUser | "simple" |
| 21:43.54 | jjazz | WinXpUser: pop the CD in and go. The defaults are correct 99% of the time. |
| 21:44.07 | beardy | djp: It's up to you, backups are always good when you need them ;) |
| 21:44.24 | Kresten | abrotman: not on this computer... It did on another I tried to install onto. |
| 21:44.28 | MrObvious | I know this is #debian but Mandriva 2006 is a very good distro. It is probably one of the best for a Windows -> Linux moving user. But it's all up to you. |
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| 21:44.45 | abrotman | Kresten: i'm confused |
| 21:44.53 | abrotman | Kresten: the installer fails ? |
| 21:44.54 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Like what kind of keyboard do you have, and if you don't know, identify keyboard by pressing keys. After like 4 more questions, you got a list with like 1-2 possibilities. |
| 21:44.58 | djp | nkuttler, so it would be adviseable to make a copy of say the sources.list file and name it sources.list.bak before editing it, would you say? |
| 21:45.09 | djp | beardy, sure |
| 21:45.10 | bkhl | x-x-: I've got a Cisco Aironet alright, and it finds the MAC correctly. |
| 21:45.12 | Kresten | abrotman: not now... |
| 21:45.25 | abrotman | oh .. that's confusing |
| 21:45.27 | nkuttler | djp: well, sources.list is trivial to fix and it's not a big deal if it's broken. |
| 21:45.31 | MOtheRus | bye |
| 21:45.39 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Or Try one of the several debian-based distros, like Ubuntu. |
| 21:45.44 | bkhl | x-x-: anyway, it manages to use it to scan for the router, so it can't really be the driver |
| 21:45.45 | nkuttler | djp: you may wan to comment lines instead of removing them |
| 21:45.48 | xiaogil | is there a test i can do to see if it works to compose a phone number with my computer via the rtc card ? |
| 21:45.50 | Kresten | abrotman: it did on another computer I tried to install debian onto... |
| 21:46.00 | x-x- | bkhl: did you try defining them in /etc/network/interfaces and restart networking? |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | did you try both kernels? |
| 21:46.12 | beardy | djp: To keep notes is good to, like "<date> I changed this and that in that file." |
| 21:46.13 | XoR | where i can find k3b and mplayer for amd64 ??? |
| 21:46.18 | x-x- | doubt that'd work tho, why not give it a try |
| 21:46.18 | WinXpUser | i like the sound of The Net install but i dont think i am intelligent enough to use it. |
| 21:46.22 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: And ofc, we are there to help ya. |
| 21:46.33 | kspath | WinXpUser: A LiveCD like DSL or Knoppix or Ubuntu will give you a taste of what you can have with a pure Debian system. |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | WinXpUser: then don't install debian .. if you can't hit enter a dozen times .. then debian probably isn't for you |
| 21:46.50 | jjazz | WinXpUser: It's not hard. When in doubt, just accept the default. |
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| 21:46.59 | djp | nkuttler, sure. i have only made changes to a few files. the others i have changed are sudoers (using visudo) and bashrc. are those important files that would need a backup? |
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| 21:47.17 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Its a (usually like 100-150MB) CD image. Contains base system, installs rest of the net. Wants ADSL-line or similar. |
| 21:47.21 | bkhl | x-x-: yeah. That didn't work. That's why I'm messing about with iwconfig |
| 21:47.23 | jjazz | abrotman: If you can't hit 'enter' a dozen times, what would you recommend? A speak'n'spell, perhaps? |
| 21:47.37 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: And also workas like boot from cd.. |
| 21:47.38 | abrotman | jjazz: spinal cord interface? |
| 21:47.42 | nkuttler | djp: well, i usually have backups of /etc/ and dotfiles and more. but that's me. |
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| 21:48.16 | jjazz | abrotman: Ooooh, I'd like one of those. |
| 21:48.16 | x-x- | bkhl: are there other nodes on the wlan? |
| 21:48.21 | kspath | jjazz: speak'n'spell is more complicated than hitting enter a dozen times... |
| 21:48.22 | x-x- | active |
| 21:48.25 | abrotman | jjazz: makes driving hard :) |
| 21:48.26 | Kresten | WinXpUser: I'm actually doing a net install right now, and with these guys in here it can be done... An I'm pretty new to linux. |
| 21:48.33 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: What are you afraid of? |
| 21:48.42 | WinXpUser | so when i download the net install Cd, what will i type to install xchat/firefox/kde Etc.......? |
| 21:48.48 | x-x- | Teletubies |
| 21:48.49 | jjazz | abrotman: I live in NY. We don't drive. |
| 21:49.06 | e-doll | i have done all i could with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and xmodmap and xev ect. how do i get my ctrl key to stop being my cap locks please |
| 21:49.12 | beardy | WinXpUser: Ask that when you have installed. "/msg dpkg ig", "/msg dpkg grounding". |
| 21:49.14 | bkhl | x-x-: no other active nodes. |
| 21:49.29 | x-x- | bkhl: reboot router? :D |
| 21:49.31 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: You can add a tool called "synaptic", where you can choose from a list. Or simply apt-get install k3b (or whatever) |
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| 21:49.42 | bkhl | x-x-: I think I did that, but sure... |
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| 21:50.01 | jjazz | WinXpUser: xchat and firefox are one-line installs. KDE might require answering some simple questions, the answers to which are provided in the defaults. |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | jjazz: the subway ? |
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| 21:50.23 | x-x- | Gnome > KDE |
| 21:50.29 | e-doll | apt-get install kde |
| 21:50.37 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: We are here to help you... |
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| 21:50.44 | e-doll | apt-get install kde kde-utils kdegames |
| 21:50.50 | abrotman | you forgot kdm |
| 21:50.57 | e-doll | oh |
| 21:51.05 | jjazz | abrotman: D train to 161st st, baby |
| 21:51.14 | ribnitz | and possibly x-window-system.. |
| 21:51.20 | abrotman | jjazz: right .. sitting would suck in general :)_ |
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| 21:51.36 | x-x- | wb |
| 21:51.39 | jjazz | abrotman: right. Better go for the brain stem option |
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| 21:51.51 | jjazz | (just don't sneeze) |
| 21:51.55 | jjazz | (or get epilepsy) |
| 21:51.58 | bkhl` | x-x-: no luck with that either. |
| 21:52.06 | WinXpUser | i dont know how to say this, But im actually Scared and Nervous of trying Debian. |
| 21:52.08 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: I have installed system using the net install that have not been booted for over half a year. |
| 21:52.15 | x-x- | :( |
| 21:52.17 | jjazz | WinXpUser: If it doesn't work out, just reinstall Win. |
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| 21:52.32 | jjazz | WinXpUser: It's not like you won't have to reinstall Win sometimes soon anyways. |
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| 21:52.41 | bkhl` | x-x-: what else could I need in the interfaces entry than wireless-essid, wireless-key and wireless-channel? |
| 21:52.53 | dominicano | somebody know any soft. similar to tuxcall? |
| 21:52.59 | bkhl` | x-x-: encryption is turned off on the router, so I just have "wireless-key off" |
| 21:53.00 | Kresten | jjazz: thats right! |
| 21:53.05 | x-x- | bkhl`: key and channel are optional |
| 21:53.14 | Kresten | jjazz: :D |
| 21:53.16 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: If you install Linux after windows, you get a nice boot menu to choose from at the start.. |
| 21:53.17 | jjazz | :P |
| 21:53.20 | dominicano | do you know a software that can support modem on hold? |
| 21:53.28 | beardy | WinXpUser: If it doesn't work, try again, ask here. |
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| 21:53.42 | bkhl | x-x-: well, it works neither with nor without them. |
| 21:53.49 | x-x- | bkhl: does iwconfig show you the routers mac? |
| 21:53.58 | sandman | Is there a good S.M.A.R.T. monitor for gnome? |
| 21:54.15 | WinXpUser | maybe is it possible to Host my Website on Debian? |
| 21:54.28 | cusco | yes |
| 21:54.29 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: 85% can be done by answering simple questions, 15% might rewquire a litttle thought (we help you with it). |
| 21:54.34 | bkhl | x-x-: iwlist eth0 scan does. |
| 21:54.36 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Yes. |
| 21:54.41 | beardy | WinXpUser: You can run a webserver yes, there are several to choose from. |
| 21:54.47 | x-x- | bkhl: iwconfig |
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| 21:54.58 | x-x- | WinXpUser: if you have a public ip, yes |
| 21:55.06 | bkhl | x-x-: just "iwconfig", no arguments? |
| 21:55.09 | XTF | Hi. Is there a way to easily see disk utilization (like CPU usage in top)? |
| 21:55.16 | jjazz | XTF: man du |
| 21:55.22 | ribnitz | XTF: du -h |
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| 21:55.30 | bkhl | x-x-: it just says "Access Point: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF" |
| 21:55.35 | romulo | how can i change the default PATH variable on boot? |
| 21:55.38 | WinXpUser | i have NAT, but i managed to use apache/2.0.54 on windows XP before OK. |
| 21:55.55 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: if you can forward a port to the debian box that'll work too |
| 21:55.57 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Apache2 is also in Debian.. |
| 21:56.00 | jjazz | WinXpUser: Debian has apache. And if you figured out apache on a win box, you'll be just fine in Deb. |
| 21:56.06 | XTF | jjazz, ribnitz: I don't mean space usage, I mean 'business' |
| 21:56.08 | x-x- | bkhl: ok, assignt the mac manually |
| 21:56.12 | x-x- | *assign |
| 21:56.25 | bkhl | x-x-: how do I do that? |
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| 21:56.35 | adioe3 | hi |
| 21:56.40 | jjazz | XTF: I'm not sure what you want. Maybe lsof is what you mean? |
| 21:56.53 | ribnitz | XTF: you mean read/write requests as they occur? |
| 21:57.01 | WinXpUser | does the network install disc support Wi-Fi 108 Mbps PCI card? |
| 21:57.09 | x-x- | man iwconfig i think, don't have access to a box with wifi atm |
| 21:57.25 | Nwallins | WinXpUser: it depends on the chipset. wouldn't count on it |
| 21:57.27 | ribnitz | XTF: look at Munin... |
| 21:57.45 | jjazz | WinXpUser: That depends on the specifics of the card. It supports a lot of cards, but your best best on a netinstall is a wired connection, not a wireless one. |
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| 21:58.04 | x-x- | i did mine tru wifi :D |
| 21:58.09 | BibTeX | Debian is not detecting any USB device. |
| 21:58.16 | BibTeX | what should I load as modules |
| 21:58.17 | BibTeX | ? |
| 21:58.17 | XTF | jjazz: What % of time the disk is busy servicing requests would be the most important value. |
| 21:58.30 | kspath | vmstat? |
| 21:58.30 | WinXpUser | its no problem there is a rj-45 wall jack of every room in my house |
| 21:58.36 | kspath | iostat? |
| 21:58.38 | bkhl | x-x-: "iwconfig ap <MAC>" |
| 21:58.46 | adioe3 | Is there a way to get bash syntax highlighting? Different colors for hostname/user, ls in color, etc? |
| 21:58.50 | ribnitz | XTF: http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | those cards use retarded compression tricks to get 108Mbps |
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| 21:58.53 | jjazz | XTF: hrm... no tool comes to mind, but I've never been into benchmarking. |
| 21:58.55 | bkhl | x-x-: no luck, though. It doesn't change the string shown by "iwconfig eth0", either. |
| 21:59.01 | x-x- | BibTeX: when plugging in a usb device, do `dmesg` it should tell you soemthing |
| 21:59.14 | ribnitz | XTF: there's also the smartd suit of utilties (monitoring disks..) |
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| 21:59.28 | XTF | kspath: No, that doesn't provide that value. |
| 21:59.29 | ribnitz | er actually suite. |
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| 21:59.44 | XTF | AFAIK SMART doesn't provide it either. |
| 21:59.50 | XTF | I'll have a look at Munin. |
| 21:59.52 | x-x- | bkhl: looks like you need to debug it on a different level.. |
| 22:00.01 | ribnitz | XTF: http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ |
| 22:00.01 | ringo999 | hi there, does anyone of you have skype+gnome+alsa running (skype over alsa/alsa-oss)? |
| 22:00.05 | bkhl | x-x-: what level would that be? |
| 22:00.11 | ringo999 | abrotman: thanks yor helping me the other day |
| 22:00.16 | XTF | Yes, thanks, I'll have a look at Munin. |
| 22:00.19 | x-x- | module? :( |
| 22:00.25 | ringo999 | abrotman: i think it was yesterday ;) |
| 22:00.28 | BibTeX | x-x-: nothing special |
| 22:00.33 | abrotman | ringo999: not a problem |
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| 22:00.51 | x-x- | BibTeX: did google say anything regarding your card? |
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| 22:01.01 | bkhl | x-x-: but there is only one airo module, and it loads. What else could there be? |
| 22:01.10 | ribnitz | XTF: basically is a suite that provides a graphical plot of different things (swapping,context switches, network traffic). |
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| 22:01.37 | tuv | how can i free up memory? long uptime gets the memory full and causes lots of swapping.. |
| 22:01.41 | x-x- | bkhl: doesn't mean it should be compatible |
| 22:01.51 | ringo999 | abrotman: are you using skype with linux? |
| 22:02.00 | XTF | graphical? |
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| 22:02.04 | bkhl | x-x-: well, it's listed as the driver for this card... |
| 22:02.07 | ribnitz | tuv: Start services from inetd, instead of daemons. |
| 22:02.16 | dondelelcaro | tuv: give us the complete output of free; in #flood or using the paster bot |
| 22:02.26 | jjazz | ringo999: skype isn't free software |
| 22:02.30 | ribnitz | tuv: (weekly, eg) restart of things. |
| 22:02.45 | abrotman | ringo999: nope |
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| 22:03.02 | ribnitz | tuv: And the best thing to counter swapping is adding more memory to the box. |
| 22:03.19 | ringo999 | jjazz: but what do you use to audio chat? |
| 22:03.21 | bkhl | x-x-: also it's reported to work here: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Cisco_Aironet_Wireless_802.11b |
| 22:03.23 | x-x- | well, I'm outta idea's :( |
| 22:03.46 | ringo999 | jjazz: lots of people i know/friends/family use skype, so id like to communicate with them, cant always be free, can it? |
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| 22:04.00 | x-x- | bkhl: your current kernel? |
| 22:04.05 | bkhl | x-x-: 2.6.12 |
| 22:04.13 | jjazz | ringo999: asterisk |
| 22:04.18 | XTF | ribnitz: Looks like a graphical representation of something like vmstat, but not what I'd like. |
| 22:04.22 | bkhl | x-x-: the card firmware is older than what it says there (5.41) |
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| 22:04.34 | x-x- | bkhl: update it? |
| 22:04.34 | bkhl | x-x-: too bad I removed Windows... |
| 22:04.48 | bkhl | x-x-: I have to have Windows for that, and it only says it might work... |
| 22:04.48 | ribnitz | XTF: Can represent a lot of different values, like disk reads/writes.. |
| 22:04.59 | ringo999 | jjazz: but can you comunicate with people that are non-free skype with it? |
| 22:05.06 | WinXpUser | could Debian have better uptime than xp pro? |
| 22:05.13 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: definitely |
| 22:05.14 | jjazz | ringo999: I don't know. |
| 22:05.15 | ribnitz | XTF: What EXACTLY are you looking for? |
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| 22:05.43 | XTF | ribnitz: The relative time (%) the disk is idle (like the CPU is idle). |
| 22:05.46 | jjazz | WinXpUser: Absolutely. |
| 22:06.20 | tuv | dondelelcaro: it's in #flood |
| 22:06.21 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: Debian (well all *nix based systems) generally only reboot when there's a power cut, or a kernel update, or if the sysadmin feels like rebooting it. It doesn't need a weekly reboot like Windows to stop it from crawling slow |
| 22:06.38 | ribnitz | XTF: What would you need that for? |
| 22:06.50 | tuv | ribnitz: the problem is that even when I try shutting down most apps, memory usage doesn't go down |
| 22:06.58 | XTF | ribnitz: To find out whether the disk is a bottleneck |
| 22:07.08 | tuv | ribnitz: i've got 512M.. isn't it enough for desktop usage? |
| 22:07.09 | jetscreamer | tuv that's expected and by design |
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| 22:07.25 | ribnitz | XTF: there's tools like bonnie++, but those are disk benchmarks. |
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| 22:07.45 | tuv | jetscreamer: is it expected not to reuse freed memory? |
| 22:07.50 | kspath | XTF: vmstat and iostat are used for that purpose in general. |
| 22:08.26 | ribnitz | tuv: depends. I got 1GB (real), and as soon as I start editing images, I get like another 1-1.5GB of swap, in addition. |
| 22:08.26 | XTF | kspath: Don't those show the number of requests/s handled? That still doesn't tell me whether it's a bottleneck. |
| 22:08.27 | jetscreamer | it is being used |
| 22:08.38 | jetscreamer | unless something is broke |
| 22:08.48 | kspath | XTF: I can tell you the disk IS a bottleneck. |
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| 22:09.02 | bkhl | Does anyone keep a repository of linux-image packages more recent than the ones in Debian? |
| 22:09.20 | ribnitz | kspath: Have you seen systems where the disk isnt a bottleneck? |
| 22:09.21 | ringo999 | what another good window manager apart from metacity, and what is different about it? how hard is it to change to something else (with gnome 2.12 running)? |
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| 22:09.38 | ribnitz | bkhl: unstable/testing.. |
| 22:09.40 | MrNaz | bkhl have you tried debian testing or debian experimental? |
| 22:09.52 | ribnitz | ringo999: I use XFCE4. |
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| 22:09.57 | bkhl | MrNaz: I'm using testing now, that's why I have 2.6.12 |
| 22:10.04 | kspath | ribnitz: very rarely. They have to be designed properly. |
| 22:10.13 | chealer | bkhl: unlikely |
| 22:10.17 | tuv | ribnitz: i'm talking email client, web browser, gnome-terminal, nautilus, and occasional xchat.. no memory-hungry stuff except maybe xorg |
| 22:10.29 | ringo999 | ribnitz: and what is the difference to metacity? |
| 22:10.38 | ribnitz | tuv: Xorg isnt memory hungry.. |
| 22:11.10 | tuv | ribnitz: it's on the top of "top", sorted by memory (RES) |
| 22:11.10 | XTF | kspath: Based on what can you tell that? |
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| 22:11.14 | Kresten | What packages do I need to set up sudo and xfce? |
| 22:11.14 | ribnitz | ringo999: ringo999: http://www.xfce.org/ |
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| 22:11.31 | ribnitz | Kresten: xfce4, sudo. |
| 22:11.40 | minimec | ringo999: if you wan tsome realy different... try fluxbox or enlightment or ion. enjoy the difference :) |
| 22:11.41 | ribnitz | Kresten: I think. |
| 22:11.53 | pepo_ | i can not install flashplayer-mozilla with apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 22:12.05 | pepo_ | say packages not found |
| 22:12.05 | Kresten | ribnitz: They're called that? |
| 22:12.11 | ribnitz | Kresten: sec. |
| 22:13.00 | ronin | ribnitz: ya sudo and xfce4 |
| 22:13.02 | jjazz | pepo: what makes you think that package exists? |
| 22:13.05 | ribnitz | Kresten: xfce4 should get you quite a lot. Apt-cache search xfce4 |
| 22:13.35 | pepo_ | jjazz, i have ubuntu here too i can install it |
| 22:13.39 | pepo_ | but on debian not |
| 22:13.50 | Kresten | ribnitz: and sudo? |
| 22:13.50 | pepo_ | like same name |
| 22:13.54 | ronin | Kresten: sudo |
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| 22:14.01 | ribnitz | Kresten: thats called sudo |
| 22:14.03 | ronin | Kresten: apt-cache search :) |
| 22:14.07 | jjazz | pepo: Ubuntu and Debian aren't the same. Just because it's called that in Ubuntu doesn't mean it's called that in Debian. |
| 22:14.08 | tuv | pepo_: try flashplayer-nonfree |
| 22:14.15 | chrisbradley | Anyone know how to reconfigure the video quick using dpkg? |
| 22:14.18 | tuv | pepo_: try flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:14.21 | Kresten | ronin: Ok thanks |
| 22:14.24 | chrisbradley | I've got an AGP chip |
| 22:14.29 | chrisbradley | What driver do you use? |
| 22:14.29 | Kresten | ribnitz: Thanks! |
| 22:14.43 | pepo_ | tuv can not find it |
| 22:14.48 | jjazz | pepo: apt-cache search flash | grep moz turns up libflash-mozplugin. Maybe that's what you're looking for. |
| 22:14.59 | ringo999 | ribnitz: but isnt xfce an desktop environement? i was talking about the window manager...isnt there a bit of difference? |
| 22:15.08 | Kresten | How do I stop being su? |
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| 22:15.30 | ronin | Kresten: exit will drop you out back to the user |
| 22:15.38 | Kresten | ronin: ty |
| 22:15.46 | tuv | pepo_: if you are sure you used the right name (flashplugin-nonfree and not flashplayer) then make sure you got non-free section in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:16.06 | ryan42` | okay... need some file system advices |
| 22:16.13 | ryan42` | advice* |
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| 22:16.29 | opnsrc | where do USb flash drives mount under? |
| 22:16.33 | opnsrc | /dev/sd0 ? |
| 22:16.42 | ryan42` | My / is going to be a 2 GB ext2; my /usr was going to be a 10 GB ext3/xfs/Reiser |
| 22:16.46 | ryan42` | /dev/sda0 usually |
| 22:16.49 | Kresten | ronin: "exit" didn't work... I still have root priviligies... |
| 22:17.00 | ryan42` | Kresten: exit again if you're in a su shell |
| 22:17.03 | ryan42` | or su username |
| 22:17.12 | pepo_ | apt-get install libflash-mozplugin ----- done but dont work.... on ubuntu apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla and its working |
| 22:17.15 | WinXpUser | where can i find the instructions for doing the Internet Install? |
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| 22:17.20 | Kresten | Nice... |
| 22:17.32 | Kresten | :P |
| 22:17.42 | ronin | !tell WinXpUser about d-i |
| 22:17.42 | opnsrc | n/m It's sda1 |
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| 22:19.04 | ribnitz | ugh.. |
| 22:19.14 | moi | hey, i'm trying to install gnome on my unstable box. somehow i'm running from one dependency into another. i tried: apt-get install gnome ,fails on dep: gnome-office, trying to install gnome-office halts because of dep: gnome-core and so on.. any clue? |
| 22:19.20 | tuv | pepo_: flashplayer-mozilla is in marillat, make sure marillat is in your sources.list and the package should be found |
| 22:19.31 | ronin | moi: unstable not working? how odd ;) |
| 22:19.48 | moi | *shrugs* |
| 22:19.51 | ribnitz | what do yI need to get the package signature warning no longer? |
| 22:20.00 | Matt-H | moi: it's called unstable for a reason ;) |
| 22:20.06 | ronin | ribnitz: /topic |
| 22:20.06 | ribnitz | ronin: usually it does work. |
| 22:20.18 | tuv | !tell pepo_ about marillat |
| 22:20.24 | moi | i haven't experienced something like this before in unstable |
| 22:20.27 | moi | normally it works quite nice |
| 22:20.41 | WinXpUser | ronin where can i find the Guide? |
| 22:20.51 | ronin | WinXpUser: the guide? |
| 22:21.15 | beardy | !ig |
| 22:21.15 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 22:21.19 | beardy | !reference |
| 22:21.20 | dpkg | methinks reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 22:21.27 | beardy | WinXpUser: ^^^ |
| 22:21.39 | ronin | ahh i see the light now |
| 22:22.03 | Kresten | How do I set up a sudo "account" for my normal user? |
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| 22:22.21 | ronin | Kresten: why? just su when you need to |
| 22:22.21 | beardy | Kresten: man sudo ? |
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| 22:22.30 | ronin | but, never mind heh |
| 22:22.34 | Pres-Gas | man visudo |
| 22:22.39 | WinXpUser | all i can see is: "After the operating system kernel is installed, you can install the rest of your system via any sort of network connection (including PPP after installation of the base system), via FTP or HTTP." |
| 22:22.53 | WinXpUser | but how can i figure it out? |
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| 22:23.05 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: by following the on-screen prompts during the installer? |
| 22:24.09 | WinXpUser | i thought it was only a Internet install CD, without any help? |
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| 22:24.27 | ronin | WinXpUser: just follow the directions, read the questions your asked in the install |
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| 22:24.42 | ronin | WinXpUser: its going to ask you questions about what to do |
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| 22:25.17 | MrP | Is there a way to add additional keycodes to my keyboard mapping? |
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| 22:25.59 | |nuno| | greetings |
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| 22:26.19 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Its no magic. really. |
| 22:26.27 | WinXpUser | huh? |
| 22:26.50 | WinXpUser | i might atempt an Internet install tommorow. |
| 22:26.53 | ronin | WinXpUser: read the manual, read and understand what the installer is asking you |
| 22:27.14 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: YOu'll be surprised. |
| 22:27.25 | ronin | WinXpUser: oh ya and BACK UP your data if its even the least bit important |
| 22:27.29 | ronin | just in case |
| 22:27.30 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: it ranges from "Enter the root password you want below" to "Select which packages you want installed" - hardly rocket science |
| 22:27.37 | |nuno| | i'm trying to setup two dhcp daemons in the same machine, but when i start the second one it says to me that i already have one running... i've changed everything (ip/port bindings, forced the interface) and it just doesnt work.. any ideas on what the problem could be? or what i'm trying to do just won't work? |
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| 22:27.52 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: And back up the data BEFORE you install.. |
| 22:28.06 | Matt-H | |nuno|: why do you want two dhcp daemons on the one machine? you can set up multiple subnets in the one daemon |
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| 22:28.38 | |nuno| | Matt-H: and it will understand that for example it has to lease 192.168.1.X to eth1 and 192.168.2.X to eth2? |
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| 22:28.50 | WinXpUser | ok, should i just get norton ghost for that? |
| 22:29.12 | Matt-H | |nuno|: if your IP on eth1 is in the 192.168.1.x subnet, and eth2 in 192.168.2.x subnet, yes - try it and see anyway |
| 22:29.29 | |nuno| | Matt-H: ok, let me try it.. |
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| 22:29.48 | Kresten_ | Pres-Gas: I'm not sure I get the man... How do I set up a user? what are the parameters? |
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| 22:30.07 | Matt-H | |nuno|: at least it does with my setup (14 subnets) but that's using VLANs on the one ethernet iface |
| 22:30.19 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, run a regular Debian install and try it our first |
| 22:30.43 | Kresten_ | Pres-Gas: I'm in the sudoersfile using visudo, now. |
| 22:31.17 | ronin | WinXpUser: how you back up your data is up to you |
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| 22:31.24 | WinXpUser | sifi-xz won't that be a waste of bandwidth? |
| 22:31.35 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, no |
| 22:31.44 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: the basic system is all on the netinst cd anyway |
| 22:32.00 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: or at least most of it |
| 22:32.11 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, it's a waste of bandwith to run netinstalls over and over again the first times |
| 22:32.11 | SeicherlBoB | hi there! I just created a raid1 on 2 partitions. now its syncing and i wanted to ask, if i have to format them to ext2 afterwards or if its ok just to mount them and go? |
| 22:32.50 | MrObvious | SeicherlBoB: If it's a new HD or whatever, then yes you'll need to format. If it's got data on it ready to go then no. |
| 22:32.51 | ribnitz | SeicherlBoB: you need to fromat them (as /dev/md0...) |
| 22:33.12 | ribnitz | SeicherlBoB: what MrObvious said. |
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| 22:33.51 | WinXpUser | oh, i have an unrelated Linux question also |
| 22:33.52 | ribnitz | Are there any benefits of doing RAID5 as hw versus software? |
| 22:34.01 | ribnitz | WinXpUser: Ask it. |
| 22:34.08 | samia | slt |
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| 22:34.16 | |nuno| | Matt-H: so far so good.. one of them is ok.. let me test the other one |
| 22:34.30 | WinXpUser | why are the install CD's always .iso instead of .bin+.cue ??? |
| 22:34.40 | SeicherlBoB | MrObvious: and what command do i run to format it to ext2? |
| 22:34.42 | samia | hello |
| 22:34.46 | Matt-H | WinXpUser: why not .iso? |
| 22:34.50 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, because .iso is just one file |
| 22:34.54 | redphoenix1 | anyone know how to make qt apps look like gtk? |
| 22:35.05 | abrotman | ribnitz: cpu load |
| 22:35.14 | WinXpUser | i suppose that makes sense |
| 22:35.27 | nevyn | redphoenix1: I know how to make gtk apps look like qt.... |
| 22:35.34 | Seb | SeicherlBoB: mkfs.ext2 most likely |
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| 22:35.37 | nevyn | redphoenix1: which achieves the same net result... |
| 22:35.43 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, now, grab the debian iso and install it =) |
| 22:35.44 | samia | re |
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| 22:35.45 | nevyn | redphoenix1: qt-gtk |
| 22:35.46 | ribnitz | abrotman: So you'd opt for hw, then? |
| 22:35.47 | SeicherlBoB | ribnitz: when the hw-controller crashes, you got a problem. |
| 22:35.50 | redphoenix1 | i like gtk better then qt |
| 22:35.57 | redphoenix1 | thats why im trying to do this |
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| 22:36.07 | redphoenix1 | make everything look like gtk |
| 22:36.09 | nevyn | redphoenix1: how it looks with either is themeable.. |
| 22:36.20 | Seb | but yet ugly, heh |
| 22:36.23 | SeicherlBoB | Seb: thanks. didn't look for something like that. |
| 22:36.29 | |nuno| | Matt-H: it works ok :) thanks... i dunno why but i tried something similar before and it didnt work... once again the "keep it simple" was the right option |
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| 22:37.04 | Matt-H | |nuno|: good-o :) |
| 22:37.19 | emag | i never realized just how absolutely *spoiled* i am with debian, until i've had to deal with suse & centos :-( i keep finding things i take for granted that i now have to build from source, like, most everything i want/need. just wanted to say thanks for spoiling me such (as i go back to staring forlornly at a centos box) |
| 22:37.30 | redphoenix1 | i kno of qt-gtk but i was wondering if there was anything like that but the other way around |
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| 22:37.40 | WinXpUser | ok i got the net iso, gonna try it tommorow. |
| 22:37.56 | WinXpUser | thabks for help |
| 22:37.59 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, nice, and dump Windows =) |
| 22:38.08 | WinXpUser | thanks* |
| 22:38.34 | samia | slt |
| 22:38.37 | sifi-xz | WinXpUser, M$ is Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia in the GNU/Linux world =) |
| 22:38.47 | Haukkari_ | sifi-xz: Hexawhatnow? |
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| 22:39.11 | MrObvious | Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia - Fear of the number 666. Hierophobia - Fear of |
| 22:39.11 | MrObvious | priests or sacred things. |
| 22:39.31 | Haukkari_ | Oh right. |
| 22:39.33 | slept | I got a problem with bootcd, i installed it some time ago and it worked nice then I removed it and now when I try to install a kernel my system is complaining about the missing bootcd and I`m not able to install any 2.6 kernel, 2.4 works . Any ideas ? |
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| 22:40.43 | Jamsi | Would anyone know how to block users from sending to a certain email (external) using sendmail? |
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| 22:41.19 | SeicherlBoB | Seb: So i'd run it just like this: "mke2fs /dev/md1" ? |
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| 22:43.15 | loggygreg | SeicherlBoB: yes |
| 22:43.23 | SeicherlBoB | great. thanks! |
| 22:43.37 | SeicherlBoB | good night everyone. |
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| 22:46.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: scale? |
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| 22:49.58 | grendal_prime | hey anyone using phpbb2 ? |
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| 22:50.07 | grendal_prime | im having a hell of a time figureing this ting out |
| 22:50.08 | deadcat | no |
| 22:50.13 | Matt-H | !anyone |
| 22:50.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:50.34 | grendal_prime | Okk...sorry |
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| 22:50.52 | sifi-xz | grendal_prime, yes, I did |
| 22:50.55 | MrObvious | grendal_prime: What exactly? PHPBB isn't hard. |
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| 22:51.02 | grendal_prime | here goes...everything seems to have installed ok but the login page simply will not let me login |
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| 22:51.41 | dondelelcaro | !scale |
| 22:51.41 | dpkg | SCALE or Southern California Linux Expo is at the LAX Raddison Feb 10-11th, 2006. See http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ for more details |
| 22:51.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ^^ |
| 22:51.52 | sifi-xz | grendal_prime, yes, Admin as user and admin as password if I know remeber right, RTM |
| 22:51.59 | grendal_prime | the user for accessing the database seems to be working fine..because if i dink with the cofig's credentials..it errors and will not do anything..stating a critical db error |
| 22:52.12 | JoshTriplett | Is it possible to use something like libpam-ssh, not as an authentication mechanism, but purely as "if the password is the same for the SSH key, authenticate with the agent as well"? Will libpam-ssh work as a PAM session module rather than an authentication module? |
| 22:52.19 | JoshTriplett | Same question for GPG. |
| 22:52.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is there a norcal? (= |
| 22:52.30 | sifi-xz | grendal_prime, there is a package to install the phpBB2 database |
| 22:52.38 | grendal_prime | ya i used that |
| 22:52.43 | grendal_prime | it was the admin admin thing... |
| 22:52.50 | JoshTriplett | I want to continue logging on with my password rather than with my passphrase; I just want the keys fed to the agent if the password matches the passphrase. |
| 22:52.52 | grendal_prime | i swear i tried that earlyer with no luck |
| 22:52.53 | grendal_prime | now it works |
| 22:52.58 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 22:53.06 | grendal_prime | thanks sifi-xz |
| 22:53.09 | sifi-xz | grendal_prime, well, I have this error as well, thats why I gaved up, install it from the source |
| 22:53.23 | grendal_prime | no the admin admin thing worked fine |
| 22:53.32 | sifi-xz | grendal_prime, ok |
| 22:53.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: gonna take some pics? |
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| 22:55.45 | kurt_ak | So I'd like to install a new app, but there are a bunch of packages i need which apt is telling me aren't authenticated... is it safe to still use this, or would you look somewhere else for the required packages? |
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| 22:56.13 | JoshTriplett | kurt_ak: Are you having the problem mentioned in the /topic ? |
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| 22:56.36 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the norcal one is really just lwce; I'll have my camera, so if I remember to take it out, yes. |
| 22:56.39 | Nigromante | which source kurt_ak ?? |
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| 22:56.45 | glick | excuse me is anyone here running a vnc server? was wondering which you recommend |
| 22:56.55 | MrObvious | I run one. |
| 22:57.07 | MrObvious | I just installed the package vncserver. |
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| 22:57.39 | dav__ | is there any way to get mail.log rotated by logrotate, and not /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd? |
| 22:57.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. so theres the sf, boston, socal in the US? |
| 22:57.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: there could be others; those are just the ones that I know of. |
| 22:58.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: scale is put on by totally different people from LWCE SF and LWCE Boston |
| 22:58.05 | glick | MrObvious, vnc server? |
| 22:58.10 | deadcat | o |
| 22:58.15 | glick | is it difficult to set up? |
| 22:58.15 | JoshTriplett | glick: If you're using GNOME or KDE, both have their own VNC servers which can serve the currently-running session. For GNOME, try "vino". If you want a separate session independent of your normal X session, I suggest tightvncserver. |
| 22:58.20 | beardy | glick: It depends on if you want to export your running X server, or have the vncserver start it's own when connected to. |
| 22:58.30 | MrObvious | glick: I didn't have any problems, worked out of the box. |
| 22:58.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: iirc, it started out as people from the lug at UCLA; so it's a bit more low key than LWCE |
| 22:58.49 | glick | id like an independant session started |
| 22:58.50 | dondelelcaro | (also more interesting, IMO) |
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| 22:59.15 | kurt_ak | Nigromante: these: ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pub/unix/linux/mirrors/debian/ testing & contrib |
| 22:59.22 | JoshTriplett | glick: I suggest tightvncserver then. Once installed, you should just be able to run it to get a session, and connect to it via any VNC client. |
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| 22:59.43 | Azar | o/t reading the news I see the script kiddies and ddos-ers give big revenue to a software it should not even exist: the antivirus software: in 2004 they made 3.7 billion in revenues, what a shame |
| 23:00.01 | dav__ | what are the repercussions of hacking in '-s mail.log' to the syslogd-listfiles line in /etc/cron.*/sysklogd ? |
| 23:00.11 | Nigromante | Is it in the debian's page for mirror servers? |
| 23:00.12 | dav__ | will apt-get upgrade overwrite the changes? |
| 23:00.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. sounds cool. since LWCE put the non-profit to a small corner.. like they are ashamed of them |
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| 23:00.38 | epsilon | what's the difference between vino and common vncserver? |
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| 23:01.15 | cisse | hrm how does one dupe an audio cd from one cdrom to a cdburner, can cdrecord do that ? |
| 23:01.19 | glick | is it secure? |
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| 23:01.21 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: vino shares your current session. |
| 23:01.24 | glick | vnc? |
| 23:01.38 | JoshTriplett | glick: There's a password, but no encryption. |
| 23:01.49 | glick | so the password gets send as clear text? |
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| 23:02.14 | epsilon | JoshTriplett: you mean gnome is running on local screen :0 and vino make it remotely accessable? |
| 23:02.14 | netman_ | hi everybody |
| 23:02.19 | magnus_ | I am having this problem when installing debian, which I just solved. Its a card which uses "pcnet_cs" driver, but there is no entry in the /etc/pcmcia/config file, I got this card like 3 years ago and back then this problem existed in debian, and it has not been solved. |
| 23:02.20 | JoshTriplett | epsilon: Yes. |
| 23:02.32 | magnus_ | Where can I submit info on this card so that it gets included in this config file? |
| 23:02.34 | netman_ | somebody can helpme with a probem |
| 23:02.40 | netman_ | problem* |
| 23:02.45 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, usually the scale guys like to play games... last time we were right across the aisle from gentoo. |
| 23:02.47 | JoshTriplett | glick: I'm checking that now; ISTR that the password is OK, it's just the session which is unencrypted. I could be wrong. |
| 23:02.59 | glick | ok thanks |
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| 23:03.08 | netman_ | i cant set display to 1280x800 with debian etch :( |
| 23:03.26 | deadcat | netman_: edit the file by hand |
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| 23:03.46 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: Does the card work with pcmciautils? |
| 23:04.09 | netman_ | yes but horz and vert refresh dont work |
| 23:04.12 | magnus_ | JoshTriplett: I dont know what you mean. I added the needed lines to the config and restarted /etc/init.d/pcmcia, then it worked |
| 23:04.27 | netman_ | my laptop is a toshiba m45 |
| 23:04.45 | glick | i can tunnel tightvnc connections over ssh? |
| 23:04.47 | magnus_ | If those lines was not added, the syslog just said it did not know any driver for this card |
| 23:04.54 | JoshTriplett | glick: Easily. |
| 23:05.00 | glick | hmm |
| 23:05.01 | deadcat | glick: ya. |
| 23:05.10 | netman_ | with fglrx driver , usb crash and system too |
| 23:05.15 | JoshTriplett | glick: Of course, if you just want graphical remote access, ssh -X may be sufficient. |
| 23:05.17 | glick | JoshTriplett, so i guess the first thing is to get the tightvnc server working right? |
| 23:05.20 | JoshTriplett | glick: Yes. |
| 23:05.34 | JoshTriplett | glick: Should be straightforward; just install it and run it, and it should Just Work. |
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| 23:06.05 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: There are two pcmcia handlers in Debian at the moment. You're talking about pcmcia-cs; it needs large configuration files in userspace to find a card, and you're proposing an addition to them. There's also pcmciautils, which uses hotplug and udev; it should work without such configuration files. |
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| 23:06.35 | magnus_ | JoshTriplett: Ok, I just used the standard debian install image from debian.org. |
| 23:06.35 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: If it works, then I suggest using it, though you could file a bug on pcmcia-cs to include your changes. If it doesn't work, then there's a bug either in pcmciautils or the kernel. |
| 23:06.48 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: stable or testing? |
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| 23:06.51 | glick | do i need special fonts to make tightvnc work? |
| 23:06.51 | magnus_ | stable |
| 23:07.00 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: OK, then ignore what I said about pcmciautils. |
| 23:07.05 | magnus_ | how can I test pcmciautils? |
| 23:07.10 | magnus_ | ok |
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| 23:07.23 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: File a bug on pcmcia-cs to include your configuration file changes. |
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| 23:07.24 | magnus_ | I just file a bugreaport to pcmcia-cs guys, I find them using google? |
| 23:07.42 | epsilon | glick: usualy not, but on different screen, font may be displayed different. experiment with font with clear edge |
| 23:07.47 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: You could file it upstream if you want; I was suggesting filing it in the Debian bug-tracking system. |
| 23:07.55 | kurt_ak | JoshTriplett: yes, thx |
| 23:08.14 | JoshTriplett | !bts |
| 23:08.14 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 23:08.17 | |nuno| | i'm having another problem that is on a given subnet 192.168.1.0/28 i can reach the internet but on another 192.168.0.0/26 i can see the requests going out on eth0, but no answer.. any ideas? |
| 23:08.21 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: ^ |
| 23:08.22 | magnus_ | Ah, thanks! Will do that! |
| 23:08.33 | magnus_ | Its fun to be able to help :) woho |
| 23:08.37 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: :) |
| 23:08.59 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: Do note, though, that if the bug is fixed, it will be fixed in unstable and migrate to testing, but it won't go into stable. |
| 23:09.08 | JoshTriplett | magnus_: (Until a new stable is released, that is.) |
| 23:09.10 | epsilon | |nuno|: what broken subnets are you runing!? |
| 23:09.15 | glick | it asks me for a password to access my desktops? |
| 23:09.19 | glick | which password is this? |
| 23:09.26 | magnus_ | ok, yeah, the problem does not affect me anymore, but just thought about other users in the future |
| 23:09.28 | epsilon | glick: vnc password |
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| 23:09.38 | JoshTriplett | glick: It's a custom password for VNC; you can change it via "vncpasswd"./ |
| 23:09.41 | |nuno| | epsilon: what do you mean? |
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| 23:09.57 | epsilon | glick: ~/.vnc/passwd create with vncpasswd |
| 23:09.58 | glick | so this should be different then a user password |
| 23:10.35 | glick | i think i have to be root to run the vnc server |
| 23:10.58 | JoshTriplett | glick: No, you don't. |
| 23:11.08 | epsilon | |nuno|: cause ...1.0/28 and ...0.0/26 sounds unhealthy |
| 23:11.15 | JoshTriplett | glick: If you are root, you'll start a session as root; you almost certainly don't want to do that. |
| 23:11.19 | epsilon | glick: nope |
| 23:11.22 | epsilon | glick: run as user |
| 23:12.07 | |nuno| | epsilon: why? uhm.. i said some random numbers... the right ips/netmasks are 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.224 and 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.240 |
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| 23:12.41 | glick | i got this error |
| 23:12.42 | glick | xauth: error in locking authority file /tmp/.gdmcHFjaR |
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| 23:13.22 | Fatih` | hi |
| 23:13.28 | epsilon | |nuno|: you have chosen bad random numbers |
| 23:14.07 | glick | JoshH, aahhh so it doesnt automatically export it over the network? you have to use ssh -X? |
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| 23:14.11 | |nuno| | epsilon: sorry :) |
| 23:14.17 | glick | caue i think i have it running now but how do i access it? |
| 23:14.31 | tuv | how can i access the paltalk network from debian? |
| 23:15.10 | JoshTriplett | glick: You need to run a client. |
| 23:15.40 | JoshTriplett | glick: If you want one locally, apt-get install xtightvncviewer |
| 23:15.54 | epsilon | |nuno|: just run on gateway comp between the subnets iptables and route which directs to both subnets |
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| 23:16.34 | |nuno| | epsilon: sorry i didnt understand what you said |
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| 23:17.35 | glick | but i cant do this over the network, i need whatchu-ma-callit ssh for that |
| 23:17.35 | epsilon | tell "route" which subnet can be found at which eth, tell iptables to allow connections between the subnets (incoming from 0.0 out to 1.0, and that in both direction) |
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| 23:18.17 | |nuno| | epsilon: oh ok |
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| 23:18.40 | epsilon | glick: you can unnel vnc via ssh, but you don't need it in LAN |
| 23:19.25 | gary | is there a menu editor for gnome? |
| 23:19.41 | glick | epsilon, so im running terminal server client to try to connect to localhost, in computer i put my hostname, and i get error cant open display 0:0 |
| 23:19.46 | ronin | gary: i expect so |
| 23:19.51 | sewi | hello, some time ago I viewed fonts in a program, but I forgot its name. Do you know any font viewer? |
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| 23:20.24 | mic_ | glick, export display |
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| 23:20.47 | abrocadabro | how do I load ssl module in apache2? |
| 23:21.07 | opnsrc | don't you tunnel through ssl |
| 23:21.07 | opnsrc | ? |
| 23:21.12 | glick | still no go |
| 23:21.15 | cisse | abrocadabro: link it or copy it to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 23:21.25 | opnsrc | like tunnel through a program that encrypts it? |
| 23:21.33 | opnsrc | I don't know if apache supports SSl or not so I wouldn't know |
| 23:21.37 | abrocadabro | cisse: what package do I need to install? |
| 23:21.47 | JoshTriplett | glick: If you're starting another session, it won't likely be :0 if you're running a desktop session; it may be :1 or :10. |
| 23:21.49 | glick | connection to :0.0 refused by server |
| 23:22.06 | JoshTriplett | glick: Try nmapping yourself to see if it is listening. |
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| 23:22.47 | cisse | abrtocadabro: comes with apache2 |
| 23:23.10 | glick | JoshTriplett, yeah it seems to be |
| 23:23.16 | JoshTriplett | glick: What port? |
| 23:23.38 | epsilon | abrocadabro: a2enmod ssl |
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| 23:23.38 | Nigromante | but you must creat a certificat too abrocadabro |
| 23:23.38 | Nigromante | create |
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| 23:23.55 | glick | vnc is listening on 5901 |
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| 23:24.02 | glick | and Xll on 6001 |
| 23:24.23 | abrocadabro | cisse: thanks, it works. |
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| 23:24.27 | twisted | ey, where does debian put linux-source-2.6.15? |
| 23:24.37 | twisted | I installed it but it's not in /usr/src/ |
| 23:24.38 | greenfly | twisted: /usr/src |
| 23:24.38 | Nigromante | /usr/src ? |
| 23:24.38 | orgy | twisted: /usr/src |
| 23:24.39 | epsilon | abrocadabro: read this howto, answers everything you are asking for: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/101 |
| 23:24.54 | twisted | hmm let me check again maybe it calls it weirdly |
| 23:25.10 | abrocadabro | Nigromante: I have a certificate from versign, how can I use that certificate instead of my own? |
| 23:25.15 | twisted | ah, my bad :) whehehe :D I wanted to cd into it, but it places the gz there |
| 23:25.17 | twisted | thanks! |
| 23:25.32 | glick | great my machine has gon back to the state where i cant start programs |
| 23:25.55 | abrocadabro | epsilon: thanks for you link, I'll read throught that shortly |
| 23:25.58 | glick | the programsm no all say connection to :0.0 refused by server |
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| 23:26.17 | jaybuffet | so is this based on an embedded debian? http://www.peplink.com/productsLoader.php?productName=balance300 |
| 23:26.27 | epsilon | glick: where are running X, :0 or :1? |
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| 23:26.33 | Nigromante | you have to copy it to /etc/apache2/ssl/ i think |
| 23:26.38 | twisted | and maybe someone here has some experience, I'm tryin to get my Logitech Quickcam Express to work, but all the online stuff I found doesn't seem to work :S or is very outdated |
| 23:26.45 | glick | epsilon, apparently x isi running on 1 now |
| 23:27.18 | epsilon | glick: export DISPLAY="<hostname>:1.0" |
| 23:27.29 | Azar | :( why don't I get the new ipsec-tools packages fix? |
| 23:27.31 | yggdrasil | hello |
| 23:27.33 | Nigromante | and configure the ssl site (in sites available) to use that certificate, I think too |
| 23:27.47 | Azar | maybe I do not have it... |
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| 23:27.59 | glick | epsilon, why is x listening on port 1 now all of a sudden? what caused this state? |
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| 23:28.32 | epsilon | glick: vnc always run in :1 and up, :0 is local screen |
| 23:28.44 | abrocadabro | Nigromante: I will try to point to that file in httpd.conf see what happens :) |
| 23:28.53 | glick | epsilon, right should X run on my local screen? |
| 23:29.03 | glick | or does vnc make it run on 1? |
| 23:29.05 | Nigromante | do you have apache or apache2 |
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| 23:30.51 | glick | yeah i ran the export statment still can start x apps |
| 23:30.54 | glick | dam |
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| 23:32.18 | abrocadabro | Nigromante: yes, I have apache2 |
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| 23:32.34 | Nigromante | and debian ? |
| 23:32.42 | abrocadabro | yes |
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| 23:33.16 | glick | anything else i have to do afte the export command? |
| 23:33.18 | Nigromante | I have the following line in my ssl file (available sites dir in /etc/apache2): |
| 23:33.34 | Nigromante | SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
| 23:33.43 | Nigromante | apache.pem is my certificate |
| 23:34.11 | Nigromante | and also have the line: |
| 23:34.11 | epsilon | abrocadabro: read the fucking website I gave you, it answers exactly your question dammit |
| 23:34.14 | Nigromante | SSLEngine On |
| 23:34.30 | Nigromante | But yes, read the tutorial |
| 23:34.31 | gnufa1 | Home directory decay anyone? My Debian install has lasted longer than anything I've ever used as a desktop OS. But I'm hitting more and more problems due to "systems decay". I'm thinking time to reinstall (and make root filesystem bigger, 3.4GB seemed so much at the time). But I'm wondering how many of the problems are due to "~/.mumble" files. Same issue at work, the home directory there has files from Redhat 7 at least, and now is running S |
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| 23:35.09 | glick | cause my stuff is still saying it cant open display 0 |
| 23:35.10 | Nigromante | you just have to configure to sites: one for normal connections and another for SSL (HTTPS) connections |
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| 23:35.24 | Nigromante | two sites, I mean |
| 23:35.30 | Nigromante | not "to" |
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| 23:35.48 | abrocadabro | Nigromante: I think debian handles this in two ways, first, your way, there is descpriton for each individual site in site-available and you sym link them to site-enable , method two, wrote everything in one bulk in httpd.conf, I choose the latter as I only had one site |
| 23:35.50 | epsilon | .oO (root has landed) |
| 23:36.21 | epsilon | abrocadabro: no that's apache and apache2 |
| 23:36.35 | ringo999 | hello. i have to use ftp to my webserver, as ssh is not available. what is the best way to upload a whole structure of folders/files? |
| 23:36.48 | Nigromante | I think httpd.conf is getting deprecated in apache2, you'd better use the modular approach |
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| 23:36.50 | ringo999 | mput can only upload muliple files, but directories? |
| 23:36.58 | abrocadabro | epsilon: correct, that was what I was trying to say |
| 23:37.04 | gnufa1 | Nigromante: I stick the two sites (http and https) in the same virtual host file in Apache2... easier to find. Is there a convention here? |
| 23:37.06 | drivamgr2006 | _root_: You really need to log out and get yourself in on a normal account! |
| 23:37.09 | epsilon | ringo999: sftp? ftp-tls/ssl? |
| 23:37.35 | ringo999 | epsilon: just plain regular ftp |
| 23:37.36 | glick | i guess tightvnc screws with your desktop |
| 23:38.02 | epsilon | ringo999: if the ftp is running... where is the problem uploading files? |
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| 23:38.15 | jilocasin | evening all |
| 23:38.18 | Nigromante | In fact I think is the same, in the end, because the program "includes" the sites files in the global one when reading config |
| 23:38.35 | Nigromante | but better to follow the debian structure, I guess |
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| 23:38.46 | epsilon | Nigromante: not really httpd.conf is just renamed in apache2.conf, almost the same. Only modules and sites are external (which are still included into apache2.conf) |
| 23:38.49 | ringo999 | epsilon: read my question again, im trying to upload a whole set of folders/files. i dont want to upload each folder manually with mput |
| 23:39.02 | jilocasin | can some one point me in the right direction to getting debian/sarge/testing to print to a printer on a Win2K box? |
| 23:39.04 | gnufa1 | Nigromante: yes it is all linear in the end, and the include starts 000-default so default is included first as that gets the lost requests |
| 23:39.06 | epsilon | ringo999: use ftpclient with gui |
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| 23:39.55 | abrocadabro | Nigromante: I have made the switch, I have two files under site-available and linked them to site-enable |
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| 23:40.01 | gnufa1 | Nigromante: there is an article on d-a.org that introduced me to the a2ensite and a2enmod, saves typing ln till you are bored. |
| 23:40.11 | glick | so there is no way to get my desktop back to normal without rebooting i take it? |
| 23:40.13 | ringo999 | epsilon: not available on the system... |
| 23:40.29 | Amarande | so, what exactly -is- Super Cow Powers? |
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| 23:40.43 | Nigromante | Well, surely many of you know much more on Apache than me, I just have it for testing php :-) |
| 23:40.50 | epsilon | ringo999: IIRC mc shoudl support ftp? |
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| 23:41.38 | Nigromante | abrocadabro, and it works? |
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| 23:41.46 | DirkGently | epsilon: I was just about to suggest mc |
| 23:42.10 | yggdrasil | can itell the ip of computers connected via smb ? |
| 23:42.11 | DirkGently | it has FTP Link |
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| 23:42.30 | gnufa1 | Nigromante: I've been automating settings up several hundred websites from our accounts database at work... so a lot of it is fresh in my mind.... I made the script follow the Debian modular way with a2ensite etc, just for my own sanity, doesn't really make sense for the programs as it knows everything that is paid for in the accounts systems should be available and active... |
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| 23:43.01 | dimorphios | everything is broken, or more actually I dont know how to do anyfin |
| 23:43.04 | epsilon | yggdrasil: smbstatus |
| 23:43.11 | Nigromante | Thanks for the info gnufa1 |
| 23:43.38 | yggdrasil | thanks |
| 23:43.46 | dimorphios | well thats a little broad... anyone know a good way to take automated screenshots from an .avi... say 30-40 screenshots evenly spaced throughout a movie and put them in jpgs? |
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| 23:44.45 | epsilon | run screenshot programm with cronjob or at? |
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| 23:45.28 | gnufa1 | dimorphios: what you trying to do, as there is an X recording program somewhere, that makes movies, which might be better |
| 23:45.38 | dimorphios | erm... think... totall newb... i figured out how to use apt-get and managed to install x, kde, vnc and mplayer so far |
| 23:45.40 | dimorphios | thats about it |
| 23:45.56 | yggdrasil | pperfect epsilon thanks |
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| 23:46.22 | dimorphios | gnufa1 I have existing avis that I want to capture random screenshots from |
| 23:46.24 | |nuno| | epsilon: found the problem... |
| 23:46.25 | dimorphios | so I can make a collage |
| 23:46.35 | RetroJ | hi. I'm running debian sarge. debconf doesn't look right: http://jjfoerch.com/screenshots/foo.png Can anyone recommend what package I need to fix this font problem? |
| 23:46.36 | |nuno| | epsilon: had the subnet wrong in the postrouting rule |
| 23:46.39 | dimorphios | so people can look at the collage and say oh I want that avi or I dont |
| 23:47.45 | dimorphios | now I think I have theh collage part figured out... using montage |
| 23:47.51 | dimorphios | but I need to get the jpgs first |
| 23:48.01 | epsilon | 30-40 pics as an overview sounds overkilled... most ppl would be bored after 10 pics |
| 23:48.16 | dimorphios | not in this instance... trust me |
| 23:48.33 | DirkGently | RetroJ: try Linux font |
| 23:48.50 | RetroJ | DirkGently: thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 23:48.51 | epsilon | well in Windowss I'd take bsplayer and make screenshots manually... |
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| 23:49.28 | dimorphios | epsilon windows I have covered |
| 23:49.33 | dimorphios | imagegrabber is awsome |
| 23:49.41 | DirkGently | RetroJ: it may tell you to install bitstream fonts but at least it explains it fully |
| 23:49.52 | dimorphios | automated screenshots you just say howmany you want, it takes them and makes them into one jpg when its done |
| 23:49.57 | gnufa1 | dimorphios: there is a command line tool "scrot" never used it myself. |
| 23:49.58 | dimorphios | however |
| 23:50.05 | RetroJ | DirkGently: do you know the package name? |
| 23:50.05 | dimorphios | scrot eh? |
| 23:50.09 | dimorphios | will google it |
| 23:51.10 | DirkGently | RetroJ: it's in the readme: /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font |
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| 23:51.43 | RetroJ | DirkGently: ah, thank you |
| 23:51.45 | jilocasin | tried #samba, lots of people logged in, noone seems to be home. :( |
| 23:52.10 | jilocasin | Does anyone know if I even have to be running samba to print to a windows printer? |
| 23:52.22 | gary | there is no menu editor for Gnome 2.10 dam i gess kde is ahead of Gnome |
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| 23:52.37 | levente | jilocasin, It's easy. Read the tutorial!! |
| 23:52.38 | Nigromante | jilocasin yes |
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| 23:53.06 | levente | www.samba.org ... I guess... and google is your friend too! |
| 23:53.12 | gnufa1 | dimorphios: there are a lot of tools for screengrabs; gimp and xwd for example, but I figured something from command line would be flexible, and xwd is a bit painful (sticks em in xwd format (X Windows Dump), but you can convert xwd to pnm easily enough if you want to try that as well. |
| 23:53.20 | Nigromante | red the TLDP howtos |
| 23:53.25 | Nigromante | read |
| 23:53.35 | Nigromante | about samba |
| 23:53.37 | epsilon | jilocasin: must it be samba? Tried cups? |
| 23:53.58 | Nigromante | well, cups and samba |
| 23:54.03 | levente | epsilon, how can you print to CUPS server from windows? |
| 23:54.15 | deadcat | jilocasin: the other way is easier (= |
| 23:54.22 | jilocasin | epsilon: I don't know. I have a printer on a win2k box (no netbios, only tcp/ip) |
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| 23:54.37 | gnufa1 | jilocasin: Windows supports Unix style printing, but these days most printers are network printers. I haven't tried cups to Windows, I mean printing is something I prefer the printer to handle. |
| 23:54.40 | jilocasin | epsilon: I can print to it from all of the win2k boxes in the house. |
| 23:54.43 | epsilon | "I don't know your LAN configuration, I'm just suggesting possibilities"[tm] |
| 23:55.02 | epsilon | so don't complain |
| 23:55.17 | k31th | yo |
| 23:55.27 | Azar | cool article of the day! CLI Magic: ifup, ifdown, ifstatus |
| 23:55.45 | jilocasin | epsilon: 3 win2k printers, 1 hp psc1315 attached to a win2k printer, ethernet dsl/router, dsl |
| 23:55.46 | Nigromante | jilocasin, I print from my lixnux laptop to my printer connected to my windows xp desktop, using cups and samba in linux |
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| 23:56.41 | jilocasin | Nigromante: I've read that this is possible. where would the mythical FAQs/HowTo's etc be located |
| 23:56.52 | gary | what's windows's xp |
| 23:56.58 | levente | Nigromante, do you have any clue about the other way around? I have a linux box, CUPS, and a printer. How can I print from winXP to the CUPS server??? |
| 23:57.01 | jilocasin | Nigromante: what I've found so far talks about sharing the printers/drives on the linux box |
| 23:57.02 | Nigromante | you can check TLDP howtos |
| 23:57.04 | deadcat | setup your printers with ipp:// or http:// much easier (= |
| 23:57.17 | epsilon | gary: windows don't have any eXPerience :P |
| 23:57.25 | Nigromante | you must share your printer via samba |
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| 23:57.40 | gary | lol :0) |
| 23:57.41 | Nigromante | but havent tested it, I admit |
| 23:57.50 | levente | Nigromante, this is what I don't want. :-( |
| 23:57.51 | Azar | bah there is no ifstatus command in Debian |
| 23:58.03 | deadcat | nope |
| 23:58.23 | epsilon | but ifconfig |
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| 23:58.43 | aliumalik | I just moved my server from debian/unstable to debian/stable both running php4 and mysql 4.1 but now none of my scripts can recognize mysql even though its running I get lots of invalid function mysql_connect() |
| 23:58.47 | Nigromante | I guess that if you dont share... you cannot use it from other computer. But I'm not an expert |
| 23:58.49 | dimorphios | what is giblib-config or rather.. how would I go about getting it I suppose... |
| 23:58.50 | Azar | !ifstatus |
| 23:59.02 | dimorphios | seems to be required for this scrot thing but isnt available via apt-get |
| 23:59.06 | BR_WARRIOR | What is the best way to build a text file with the home directory of all users listed in /etc/passwd ? |
| 23:59.08 | DirkGently | gary, this'll amuse you.. VISTA: Viruses, Intruders, Spybots, Trojans & Adware |
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| 23:59.52 | abrotman | BR_WARRIOR: cat & awk |
| 23:59.57 | epsilon | BR_WARRIOR: grep |
