| 00:00.04 | abrotman | BR_WARRIOR: oh wait .. |
| 00:00.12 | abrotman | BR_WARRIOR: you need to create the directories? .. or create a text file ? |
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| 00:00.35 | DirkGently | abrotman: why not just awk? |
| 00:00.37 | BR_WARRIOR | abrotman, just a text file for a relatory |
| 00:00.39 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 00:00.43 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 00:00.45 | abrotman | DirkGently: that will work |
| 00:00.51 | BR_WARRIOR | can you give me an example? |
| 00:00.54 | Azar | bah :( that article is for ubuntu eww |
| 00:00.56 | DirkGently | ;¬) |
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| 00:01.47 | abrotman | BR_WARRIOR: well .. most valid users have bash as a shell |
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| 00:02.19 | BR_WARRIOR | abrotman, so? |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | BR_WARRIOR: grep bash /etc/passwd | grep -v root | awk -F ":" '{print $1}' .. is that what you want ? |
| 00:04.13 | abrotman | !why is gnome-panel not in testing |
| 00:04.13 | dpkg | gnome-panel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-panel |
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| 00:04.47 | abrotman | noone disagrees with my little blurb? |
| 00:05.07 | BR_WARRIOR | abrotman, yes! it is something like this! Thank you man! |
| 00:05.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: getent is the right way to do that |
| 00:05.22 | epsilon | BR_WARRIOR: quick dirty regexp spam: cat /etc/passwd | sed s/[a-zA-Z0-9,\(\):\ -]*// | sed s/\:[a-zA-Z\/]*// |
| 00:05.49 | abrotman | oh see .. dondelelcaro knew a better way |
| 00:06.57 | abrotman | though . i'm not sure how getent and cat differ ... |
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| 00:07.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the difference is that you can use getent to support things like ldap et al. |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | except that /etc/passwd .. i guess might not always be /etc/passwd |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. it plugs into pam ? |
| 00:08.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I don't know if it does by default, but you should be able to do so |
| 00:08.01 | bbrazil | abrotman: nsswitch |
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| 00:08.18 | abrotman | bbrazil: huh ? |
| 00:08.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: erm .. ok |
| 00:08.47 | epsilon | abrotman: well he asked for /etc/passwd |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | bbrazil: oh .. it plugs into nsswitch .. gotcha |
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| 00:09.39 | abrotman | hey .. helix can't do that! |
| 00:09.51 | xander | a debian ita channel? |
| 00:09.59 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:09.59 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:10.12 | xander | thanks |
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| 00:11.14 | gary | man i have run Gnome-kde and i'm not happy either... |
| 00:11.21 | abrotman | gnome minus kde ? |
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| 00:13.35 | ryan42` | would you recommend XFS for a /tmp FS on a older PPC? |
| 00:14.05 | abrocadabro | which one is the real certificate file from verisign? .crt, .csr, .prm, .key, or .key? I have them all |
| 00:14.07 | moconnor | Does anyone here know why gcj-3.4 is not in Debian Unstable (gcc-3.4, however, is). I can't find mention of the removal in the GCC maintainer's mailing list |
| 00:14.10 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 00:14.11 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
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| 00:14.58 | abrotman | moconnor: gcj and gcc are different projects afaik |
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| 00:15.41 | abrotman | moconnor: do you really want 3.4 ? |
| 00:15.47 | moconnor | yup |
| 00:15.59 | threat | Who else but quagmire? It's quagmire, it's quagmire, never really know what he's going to do next, it's quagmire, it's quagmire, giggidy, giggidy, giggidy, giggidy, I like sex! |
| 00:16.08 | moconnor | PyLucene requires it, it won't run with 4.0 |
| 00:16.18 | abrotman | i thought he got banned? |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | moconnor: you could .. use snapshot.d.n |
| 00:17.02 | threat | abrotman, who? |
| 00:17.39 | abrotman | moconnor: there's also 3.5 |
| 00:18.01 | moconnor | abrotman - oh, getting gcj isn't the issue. I was trying to package pylucene. |
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| 00:18.17 | gary | i;m running 3.5 right now .. |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | moconnor: well .. i mean .. how can you package it .. if the versino of gcj it depends on .. isn't in sid ? |
| 00:18.40 | moconnor | abrotman - exactly, which is why I asked if anyone knew why it was removed |
| 00:18.42 | abrotman | or etch for that matter |
| 00:18.45 | ryan42` | dpkg: thanks. i'd still like advice though |
| 00:18.46 | dpkg | ryan42`: pas de quoi |
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| 00:18.52 | moconnor | since gcc-3.4 is in there |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | moconnor: would #debian-java know ? |
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| 00:19.13 | abrotman | moconnor: there's nothing in the BTS either? |
| 00:19.17 | ryan42` | as in a personal opinion |
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| 00:19.36 | abrotman | ryan42`: probably not really worth it unless you're planning on putting a lot of stuff there |
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| 00:20.03 | glick | excuse me does anyone know why when my friend tries to checkout sources from my CVS repo he gets this error? cannot create_adm_p /tmp/cvs-serv9542/proj1 permission denied |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | bad username ? |
| 00:20.39 | glick | abrotman, nah he can login fine with that username |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | glick: i know it's probably dead .. but #cvs might have a better idea .. or google? .. or find a Temple student |
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| 00:21.32 | Adi__1 | Hi, I have compile new kernel how to boot it ? it always boot old one |
| 00:21.48 | Adi__1 | i dont even see new one on grub |
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| 00:22.07 | azeem | Adi__1: how did you compile it? |
| 00:22.18 | ryan42` | abrotman: thanks. My plan was / is ext2 (because it has to be for my bootloader) /usr is ext3, xfs, or reiser. /var is either reiser or xfs due to small file performance, /tmp is reiser or xfs, file performance and it's not the end of the world if data is lost on tmp due to xfs caching, and /home is reiser |
| 00:22.28 | azeem | if you did not build a .deb, grub might not get updated upon installation |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | glick: whta's his client ? |
| 00:22.35 | Adi__1 | make config, make modules, make modules_install |
| 00:22.44 | abrotman | !tell Adi__1 about kp |
| 00:22.47 | Adi__1 | mkinitrd .... |
| 00:22.47 | azeem | Adi__1: and how did you install the kernel? |
| 00:22.53 | starfishy | adi: and where do you build the kernel itself? |
| 00:23.00 | ryan42` | the machine is a webserver |
| 00:23.06 | glick | abrocadabro, 1.12.9 |
| 00:23.08 | abrotman | ryan42`: is the machine on an UPS ? |
| 00:23.09 | Adi__1 | .../usr/local/src/kernel/li..... |
| 00:23.14 | ryan42` | no |
| 00:23.16 | ryan42` | it may be soon |
| 00:23.18 | ryan42` | but for now it isn't |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | glick: he's on a linux box |
| 00:23.24 | glick | abrocadabro, yes |
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| 00:23.30 | ryan42` | i know XFS has a bad problem with caching and losing data |
| 00:23.31 | starfishy | adi__1: make-kpkg buildpackage && dpkg -i ../*deb |
| 00:23.32 | abrotman | ryan42`: if you're going to use reiser/xfs .. it really really needs to be on an UPS |
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| 00:23.44 | ryan42` | ok |
| 00:23.54 | |RABBIT| | I want to deselect a bunch of packages which are not installed yet |
| 00:23.57 | ryan42` | that can be arranged *evil grin* |
| 00:24.04 | gnufa1 | Adi__1: why didn't you use kernel-package? |
| 00:24.11 | |RABBIT| | is there a quick way to do this with apt? |
| 00:24.16 | nevyn | ryan42`: umm that's true of linux generally |
| 00:24.25 | Adi__1 | what kernel package ? |
| 00:24.27 | phaedral | a tad OT, but dpkg is a distant relative: what file provides infobot with the url for websters? 'cause I need to update it |
| 00:24.32 | nevyn | if you have enough ram the disk cache can become a serious problem. |
| 00:24.42 | abrotman | glick: moment |
| 00:24.52 | ryan42` | it's got 100 MB RAM |
| 00:24.58 | jml6 | a temple student? |
| 00:24.58 | ryan42` | it's a Power architecture 180 MHz |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman | glick: /j #flood |
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| 00:25.21 | gnufa1 | Adi__1: apt-get install kernel-package zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | jml6: they show these really stupid ads on tv around philly .. |
| 00:25.52 | ryan42` | JFS i suppose is a choice too |
| 00:25.55 | gnufa1 | Adi__1: Makes a kernel package out of the source for you, then dpkg handles modules, and grub.... |
| 00:26.37 | Adi__1 | gnufa1: what is zless |
| 00:26.48 | gnufa1 | Adi__1: less for compressed files |
| 00:27.11 | Adi__1 | couldnt find package zless |
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| 00:27.15 | Adi__1 | ok |
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| 00:27.24 | jml6 | abrotman: haha. yeah i go to temple |
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| 00:27.34 | gnufa1 | Adi__1: sorry I think my semicolon died... the zless is a new command |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | jml6: i'm sorry |
| 00:27.46 | starfishy | zless is not a package |
| 00:28.01 | jml6 | abrotman: no way don't be, TU kicks ass! |
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| 00:28.07 | starfishy | zless is in the gzip package |
| 00:28.09 | abrotman | jml6: no way! .. Drexel! |
| 00:28.30 | jml6 | abrotman: no way! mas dinero! |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | jml6: gotta be Eastern! |
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| 00:29.08 | abrotman | or even gone there |
| 00:30.13 | jml6 | well, we could use a decent football team |
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| 00:31.00 | abrotman | hehe .. no kidding |
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| 00:33.02 | Y | \help #flood |
| 00:33.17 | Adi__1 | I changed some lines in menu.lst and it works. thank you. |
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| 00:34.54 | gary | when i install fluxbox do i jest install x-window-system or x-window-system-core ?? |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | whichever you prefer |
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| 00:36.11 | abrotman | agney's quit message would be much funnier if his nick was like 23425988 |
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| 00:36.37 | bbrazil | I don't think you can have a nick starting with a number |
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| 00:36.48 | bbrazil | hex could work though |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | bbrazil: good call :) |
| 00:37.10 | l2657347567 | bbrazil: good enough ? |
| 00:37.27 | bbrazil | abrotman: 1eet |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | bbrazil: yay for 'l' and '1' |
| 00:38.33 | starfishy | or what about something like d3adb33f? |
| 00:38.44 | starfishy | thats a number too ;) |
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| 00:39.21 | abrotman | starfishy: used to be a guy here with that nick iirc |
| 00:39.43 | DirkGently | d3ad1055 |
| 00:39.47 | bbrazil | starfishy: 'bbrazil' is also a number ;) |
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| 00:40.07 | kspath | d34d1457 |
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| 00:41.24 | epsilon | |>3614|\| |
| 00:41.51 | kspath | wow, getting late in EU |
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| 00:42.49 | kspath | or early depending on your perspective/schedule |
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| 00:45.18 | DirkGently | 00:45 GMT |
| 00:45.40 | starfishy | bbrazil: in which numeral system? |
| 00:46.03 | bbrazil | starfishy: many, ascii for one |
| 00:46.12 | starfishy | ascii is not a numeral system |
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| 00:46.21 | abrotman | base 256 . it can be |
| 00:46.23 | DirkGently | base 27 |
| 00:46.29 | starfishy | base 27? |
| 00:46.43 | epsilon | .oO (tzwatch | grep CET) |
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| 00:46.43 | bbrazil | abrotman: 128 actually |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | DirkGently: left out the numbers |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | bbrazil: extended! |
| 00:46.45 | DirkGently | oops.. base 37 |
| 00:47.10 | penrod | has anybody had success installing adaptec 29320A & sarge ? |
| 00:47.20 | abrotman | are you having a problem with it ? |
| 00:47.24 | penrod | yes |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | describe |
| 00:47.33 | penrod | modprobe failure on initial install |
| 00:47.49 | penrod | it sees the device, but cannot load the module |
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| 00:50.21 | wormz | heyas! I have a big debian install issue, trying to put 3.1 on a machine with 2 SATA drives and it says "Please install a hard drive on your system", so apprently it doesn't detect / read the SATA drives |
| 00:50.26 | wormz | anyone else come across this problem? |
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| 00:51.05 | abrotman | what controller? |
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| 00:51.34 | abrotman | wormz: ? |
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| 00:52.02 | wormz | Um, what do you mean controller? |
| 00:52.29 | nevyn | wormz: did you boot with linux26? |
| 00:52.46 | nevyn | wormz: the default kernel is 2.4 which has very hit and miss sata support ... |
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| 00:53.03 | nevyn | wormz: you'll almost certainly have better luck with the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:53.24 | abrotman | wormz: your sata controller |
| 00:53.27 | wormz | cool, is there an option on the boot cd? |
| 00:53.35 | wormz | abrotman: Not sure, it's on the motherboard which I think is Intel |
| 00:53.38 | TonyB2006 | i compiled a new kernel, and now i get NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out, when DHCP tries to work |
| 00:53.45 | jml6 | why does debian always have a defaulted old kernel on the stable releases? |
| 00:53.58 | nevyn | jml6: etch will have 2.6 :) |
| 00:54.11 | Supaplex | what package is File/Basename.pm in? (my apt-file is broek w/o it) |
| 00:54.12 | nevyn | wormz: yeah type linux26 at the boot: prompt |
| 00:54.29 | wormz | excellent, I'll try it |
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| 00:54.36 | TonyB2006 | can someone help me |
| 00:54.37 | jml6 | nevyn: etch isn't stable, nor will it be for a while... |
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| 00:54.52 | nono31 | Someone has matis working with mysql-server 5 here/ |
| 00:54.53 | nono31 | ? |
| 00:54.58 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 00:54.59 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 00:55.02 | Supaplex | TonyB2006: you should tell us what dhcp server and ethernet card you're using |
| 00:55.07 | TonyB2006 | err |
| 00:55.11 | TonyB2006 | not sure what card |
| 00:55.18 | TonyB2006 | it worked fine with my old kernel |
| 00:55.20 | TonyB2006 | um |
| 00:55.28 | TonyB2006 | realtek somthing i think |
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| 00:55.43 | TonyB2006 | new kernel is 2.6.15.2 |
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| 00:56.45 | nevyn | jml6: the release team are very conservative on kernels |
| 00:56.46 | Supaplex | TonyB2006: you get what you payfor with realtek. Hopefully you have the C or better revision, and loaded the 8139too module |
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| 00:57.18 | nevyn | etch won't install on my laptop because the option for ATAPI SATA passthrough is turned off because it's labeled "experimental" |
| 00:57.29 | TonyB2006 | its an RTL8139/8139C |
| 00:57.50 | nouri | can someone help me with my cpu frequency problem. I'm not able to change the frequency. It keeps thinking that my max_freq is 600Mhz, when it's really 1.4Ghz |
| 00:57.56 | jml6 | nevyn: yeah thats weird, i remember the first time i installed woody, accidentally used the 2.2.20 kernel! |
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| 00:58.10 | gnufa1 | Supaplex: perl-modules --- you needed to ask why? |
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| 00:59.59 | Supaplex | gnufa1: apt-file is b0ked on my box, and it requires that module. I figured out how to bug dpkg now tho. |
| 01:00.14 | Supaplex | I kinda hosed my box a few days ago :/ |
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| 01:01.18 | gnufa1 | Supaplex: evidently -- presumably so broke you couldn't reinstall apt-find... |
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| 01:03.37 | Aksen | Maybe I can get a piece of help here :) |
| 01:03.48 | nevyn | !ask |
| 01:03.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:03.49 | Aksen | i'm new to debian, and can't seem to get init 3 to work |
| 01:04.16 | nevyn | Aksen: what do you expect it to do? |
| 01:04.34 | Aksen | i expect to get to a command line |
| 01:04.40 | nevyn | Aksen: runlevel's 2-5 are the same on debian |
| 01:04.42 | Aksen | i have limited experience with linux |
| 01:04.50 | starfishy | type runlevel to see what runlevel you are int |
| 01:04.51 | starfishy | in |
| 01:04.59 | starfishy | chances are you are already in 3 |
| 01:05.14 | Aksen | it says 5 3 |
| 01:05.14 | nevyn | starfishy: default is 2.. so maybe not. |
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| 01:05.37 | Aksen | whagt i'm trying to do is install drivers for a geforce 3 |
| 01:05.40 | starfishy | nevyn: if he tries several times in a row chances are after the first he is |
| 01:06.00 | nevyn | Aksen: the proprietary drivers? |
| 01:06.10 | starfishy | aksen: CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 01:06.11 | AceSmythe | hey |
| 01:06.16 | Aksen | from the nvidia website |
| 01:06.17 | starfishy | aksen: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 01:06.23 | starfishy | or kdm/xdm |
| 01:06.29 | AceSmythe | if i'm gonna be running debian, is there a laptop in particular that you reccommend? |
| 01:06.33 | starfishy | aksen: then install the nvidia driver |
| 01:06.35 | AceSmythe | i'm in the market |
| 01:06.43 | Aksen | awesome, things to try. i'll report back in a minute |
| 01:06.50 | starfishy | id get an ibm |
| 01:06.57 | AceSmythe | i wanna have an nvidia |
| 01:07.03 | nevyn | Aksen: don't do that... |
| 01:07.08 | starfishy | not specifically for linux but in general |
| 01:07.16 | nevyn | !tell Aksen about nvidia debs |
| 01:07.19 | nevyn | !tell Aksen about nvidia install |
| 01:07.27 | AceSmythe | well, i wanna make sure i get somthing that has linux supported drivers :p |
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| 01:07.38 | AceSmythe | i <3 nvidia |
| 01:07.40 | nevyn | AceSmythe: buy a radeon 9250 |
| 01:08.05 | starfishy | ati has rather sketchy linux support |
| 01:08.07 | nevyn | AceSmythe: or a i915 |
| 01:08.12 | starfishy | id advise against an ati for linux |
| 01:08.20 | starfishy | even worse |
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| 01:08.52 | starfishy | i had a bear of a time to get that [CENSORED] intel desktop board to run linux properly |
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| 01:08.52 | nevyn | starfishy: nvidia have appalling linux support. |
| 01:08.56 | ootput | AceSmythe: Toshibas |
| 01:08.57 | starfishy | oh? |
| 01:08.58 | starfishy | how so? |
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| 01:09.07 | ootput | AceSmythe: I'm in love with the Satellites |
| 01:09.21 | nevyn | starfishy: no documentation even for eol'd cards let alone new cards |
| 01:09.34 | nevyn | at least ati eventually provide some docs. |
| 01:09.41 | StyXman | hi all. I have a problem with webalizer. I've been using it for some time now, and today started to use the webazolver to post process the logs for reverse dns lookups. it works, but when I run the same command than before, except that I added -D <dns_cche_file> it says: /usr/local/bin/webalizer: No match. |
| 01:09.52 | nevyn | the binary driver is unsafe for multiuser systems. |
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| 01:10.41 | micahf | hey guys |
| 01:10.47 | nevyn | StyXman: have a look at awstats it's much prettier than webalizer imho |
| 01:11.09 | micahf | any idea why I absolutely cannot get dhcp to work from the debian/ubuntu installers? |
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| 01:11.16 | micahf | same problem, it just doesn't work |
| 01:11.19 | micahf | works fine in windows |
| 01:11.25 | micahf | works fine on my powerbook |
| 01:11.33 | FarrisG | I've got a bunch of machines mounted to /home on my file server, and something is writing a bunch of shit to the partition. Can anyone suggest a quick way to tell what process and/or what client is doing all the writing? |
| 01:11.38 | gnufa1 | StyXman: is this the Debian packages webalizer? |
| 01:11.43 | StyXman | nevyn: not my choose, but thanks. gotta cope with webalizer |
| 01:12.02 | StyXman | gnufa1: not exactly |
| 01:12.11 | micahf | I've tried the ethernet interface static and it showed up as connected to the router but I couldn't get on the net |
| 01:12.26 | micahf | so basically, DHCP just doesn't work even though the hardware does |
| 01:12.33 | StyXman | micahf: default gateway? |
| 01:12.33 | gnufa1 | StyXman: Well at least that explains why it is looking in /usr/local... does the Debian one do the same thing? |
| 01:12.53 | hacim | StyXman: wrong nick completion |
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| 01:13.55 | StyXman | gnufa1: webalizer *is* in /usr/local (ok, ok, I'll admit it, it's a freebsd), the only difference is the -D option |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | so why not ask #freebsd ? |
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| 01:14.28 | LilAero | I've got Xfree finally working, however, the desktop never loads. The screen sits there with an "X" as the mouse icon with a somewhat checkered background. |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | FarrisG: fuser / lsof ? |
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| 01:14.33 | micahf | any ideas on why DHCP won't work? |
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| 01:14.44 | micahf | it won't work with my shared internet connection or my router |
| 01:14.53 | micahf | not for ethernet, not for firewire |
| 01:14.54 | StyXman | abrotman: I'm more related to this channel, but... ok |
| 01:14.55 | jjazz | micahf:How are you brining it up? |
| 01:15.03 | micahf | the installer |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | how is webmin running on freebsd related to debian? |
| 01:15.09 | micahf | the netinstall cd |
| 01:15.20 | starfishy | nevyn: what kind of documentation were you expecting beyond the readme? |
| 01:15.26 | jjazz | micahf: Can you get a console? |
| 01:15.29 | micahf | yea |
| 01:15.31 | LilAero | michahf: Did you try adding the MAC Address of your linux box to your router? |
| 01:15.36 | StyXman | abrotman: ok, ok, nevermind. over to #freebsd I go |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | err .. webazlier :) |
| 01:15.48 | jjazz | micahf: dhclient |
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| 01:15.56 | kspath | !bsdsmite Xenguy |
| 01:16.03 | starfishy | nevyn: and ati is unsafe even for single user systems, so i prefer 'unstable' multiuser support from nvidia |
| 01:16.08 | nevyn | starfishy: this is register blah.. valid values for register blah at address 0xF0AD are 1 2 or 4 |
| 01:16.10 | micahf | yea I did lilaero |
| 01:16.14 | ciphergoth | I'm running stable, but I need a very recent kernel with my own patches in order to get my wireless card working. I know how to use make-kpkg, but how do I make the kernel sources Debianish before I start? |
| 01:16.20 | starfishy | and ati has that? |
| 01:16.25 | starfishy | or intel for that matter? |
| 01:16.30 | LilAero | yeah dhclient will have to be used ;\ |
| 01:16.41 | micahf | alright |
| 01:16.48 | micahf | I'll get the terminal |
| 01:16.49 | ciphergoth | you don't have to explicitly configure dhclient |
| 01:16.52 | nevyn | starfishy: for everything up to the r300 yes... intel has it for most things they even employ actual X hackers (Keith Packard works for intel) |
| 01:16.55 | starfishy | im sure they do - if you sign a NDA |
| 01:17.05 | ciphergoth | you just go "ifconfig eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | starfishy: intel has good linux support |
| 01:17.09 | ciphergoth | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:17.14 | ciphergoth | and then do "ifup eth0" |
| 01:17.21 | LilAero | I've got Xfree finally working, however, the desktop never loads. The screen sits there with an "X" as the mouse icon with a somewhat checkered background. Anyone have any ideas on that issue? |
| 01:17.31 | ciphergoth | LilAero, how are you launching it? |
| 01:17.35 | LilAero | startx |
| 01:17.35 | nevyn | starfishy: intel tell us everything except how to switch modes (ridiculous but true) |
| 01:17.36 | starfishy | weird, i must have gotten the one intel board that has bad support |
| 01:17.43 | ciphergoth | If you're just typing "X" that's... OK, never mind |
| 01:17.52 | LilAero | heh ;P |
| 01:17.53 | RetroJ | does Debian allow for the use of ~/.profile? |
| 01:17.55 | ciphergoth | what do you have installed to make a desktop? |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | starfishy: afaik .. anything recent(i810 +) has good support |
| 01:18.08 | starfishy | 'mine' is a 945 |
| 01:18.09 | nevyn | RetroJ: .bash_profile sources it ... |
| 01:18.11 | StyXman | RetroJ: depends on what shell do you use |
| 01:18.12 | LilAero | Let me guess ... it needs KDE // Gnome |
| 01:18.15 | ciphergoth | no-one knows about the Debian kernel patch then? |
| 01:18.15 | LilAero | correct..? |
| 01:18.16 | gnufa1 | ciphergoth: I've never bothered Debianising the kernel -- try package linux-patch-debian-2.6.15 |
| 01:18.22 | starfishy | e1000 driver doesnt work with it |
| 01:18.23 | ciphergoth | LilAero, or something |
| 01:18.26 | LilAero | figures |
| 01:18.26 | LilAero | haha |
| 01:18.26 | micahf | ugh, dhclient says "no working leass in persistent database" |
| 01:18.28 | nevyn | LilAero: well you need a window manager or something |
| 01:18.36 | ciphergoth | there are other options, but those are good ones |
| 01:18.37 | LilAero | true that |
| 01:18.41 | RetroJ | I wanted to use .profile so that it would load no matter what shell I use. I use bash, eshell, and fish |
| 01:18.51 | ringo999 | whats a good gui based ftp client under gnome? |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | starfishy: so you're whining because ? X works ? |
| 01:18.52 | ciphergoth | I use and like Gnome; others prefer KDE |
| 01:19.32 | ciphergoth | micahf, it only tries the persistent database as a last resort; your problem is earlier. |
| 01:19.35 | LilAero | It has x-window-system. |
| 01:19.36 | starfishy | the graphics driver took 30 mins of tweaking until it finally came up in a use |
| 01:19.37 | LilAero | o.O |
| 01:19.40 | starfishy | ful configuration |
| 01:19.42 | LilAero | kde it is -nod- |
| 01:19.45 | micahf | hmm |
| 01:19.48 | starfishy | x works in nvidia too |
| 01:19.48 | ciphergoth | Can other machines on the network (eg Windows machines) get addresses? |
| 01:19.48 | nevyn | LilAero: so you have twm ;) |
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| 01:19.52 | starfishy | so why are you whining? |
| 01:19.53 | DirkGently | micahf: I fixed it by going into the Debian Net config and reapplying the settings |
| 01:19.54 | micahf | ifup isn't on the install cd |
| 01:19.55 | nevyn | right click and you should get a menu |
| 01:20.03 | ciphergoth | Is the link light up? |
| 01:20.08 | micahf | yea |
| 01:20.16 | micahf | it's connected right |
| 01:20.18 | ciphergoth | micahf, sorry, I missed the start |
| 01:20.20 | LilAero | seems so |
| 01:20.24 | micahf | it's OK |
| 01:20.28 | micahf | thanks for helping |
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| 01:20.29 | RetroJ | I want to add an item to my $PATH for my user account. is there some startup file that would be best to use to do this? |
| 01:20.32 | LilAero | From what I've heard, twm = evil. |
| 01:20.37 | micahf | ifup isn't on the install CD though |
| 01:20.44 | ciphergoth | LilAero, not evil as such, but ... not ideal |
| 01:20.47 | nevyn | LilAero: it's not the most intuitive thing on the planet |
| 01:20.49 | ciphergoth | micahf, I get that now |
| 01:20.49 | LilAero | suggestions? |
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| 01:20.51 | nevyn | but it is fast. |
| 01:20.55 | hacim | oh man |
| 01:20.55 | nevyn | LilAero: I like kde. |
| 01:20.57 | ciphergoth | LilAero, Gnome or KDE! |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/9722/ENG/readme.txt |
| 01:21.01 | ciphergoth | I like Gnome :-) |
| 01:21.01 | DirkGently | I had the same problem.. had to run dhclient to get the sources working on first install |
| 01:21.13 | nevyn | LilAero: but I used afterstep and E for a while when I started with linux |
| 01:21.14 | kspath | RetroJ: zsh? bash? sh? ksh? |
| 01:21.21 | LilAero | I've used KDE before when I was using the MEPIS distro. |
| 01:21.29 | micahf | dirkgently, how did you get dhclient to work? |
| 01:21.34 | nevyn | E is getting kinda dated at this point kde has more shiny (IMEO) |
| 01:21.39 | LilAero | rgr that |
| 01:21.46 | RetroJ | kspath: I would like it to work in bash, eshell, and fish |
| 01:21.56 | micahf | I should just go buy a new motherboard, this one is nothing but trouble (ATI) |
| 01:21.58 | LilAero | nothing like 190 MB of additional disk space ^_^. |
| 01:21.59 | nevyn | I still miss the waves and reflection stuff that E had |
| 01:22.03 | DirkGently | micahf: just ran dhclient manually |
| 01:22.12 | kspath | RetroJ: .profile .bash_profile .bashrc .... |
| 01:22.17 | micahf | dirkgently, I can't get dhclient to work :/ |
| 01:22.22 | micahf | hmm |
| 01:22.31 | DirkGently | oh :¬\ |
| 01:22.46 | RetroJ | kspath: thanks, I'll try those |
| 01:22.57 | RetroJ | kspath: .profile doesn't seem to work |
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| 01:23.13 | kspath | RetroJ: doesn't work? |
| 01:24.05 | DirkGently | micahf: did it find your network card correctly? |
| 01:24.08 | RetroJ | kspath: I created a .profile and put some commands in it, and they don't seem to run. for a test, I inserted a command that should create a file |
| 01:24.18 | micahf | yup |
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| 01:24.46 | micahf | dirkgently, I even did a manual config and accidentally typed in an IP address in use, and on the computer using it, a warning message came up |
| 01:24.48 | kspath | RetroJ: umm yeah well these are not .bat files |
| 01:24.52 | DirkGently | micahf: have you tried static ip? |
| 01:24.55 | micahf | yea |
| 01:25.00 | DirkGently | ok |
| 01:25.03 | micahf | I just couldn't get the net to work |
| 01:25.09 | RetroJ | kspath: aren't they ordinary shell scripts? |
| 01:25.11 | micahf | I tried my DNS servers |
| 01:25.14 | LilAero | What kind of a router are you using, michahf? |
| 01:25.15 | kspath | RetroJ: no |
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| 01:25.38 | kspath | RetroJ: you should really read about bash |
| 01:25.38 | micahf | a freaking netgear |
| 01:25.41 | micahf | netgear sucks |
| 01:25.44 | RetroJ | kspath: oh interesting. I'll read up on that |
| 01:25.46 | micahf | I should have gone with dlink |
| 01:25.48 | LilAero | I have a NetGear router :) |
| 01:25.53 | LilAero | Which version? |
| 01:25.58 | micahf | hows your config? |
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| 01:26.03 | RetroJ | kspath: thank you! |
| 01:26.06 | micahf | WGT624 v3 |
| 01:26.09 | LilAero | hm |
| 01:26.16 | micahf | 108 Mbps Wireless |
| 01:26.21 | LilAero | ouch |
| 01:26.23 | LilAero | Wireless |
| 01:26.24 | LilAero | heh |
| 01:26.24 | micahf | the config suuckckkkss |
| 01:26.28 | micahf | haha |
| 01:26.31 | LilAero | I hate configuring the wireless bull |
| 01:26.35 | micahf | yea well I'm using ethernet right now |
| 01:26.40 | LilAero | that's why I have no wireless ;) |
| 01:26.46 | micahf | but yea |
| 01:26.54 | micahf | well I have a powerbook, I had to get wireless :D |
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| 01:27.32 | LilAero | true that |
| 01:27.34 | kspath | RetroJ: sorry I was not more help. It is quite difficult to compress everything about sh and bash and .profile, .bash_profile, and .bashrc without likely leaving you more confused. Best I can do for you is point you at what you want. |
| 01:27.36 | micahf | (just to clarify, I'm not installing debian on the powerbook, I'm installing it on a PC I built with an ATI motherboard, one that never gets anything right) |
| 01:27.53 | LilAero | haha |
| 01:28.01 | LilAero | I've got a MSI on my server ^_^ |
| 01:28.16 | kspath | That is true? |
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| 01:28.47 | zog-vsl | where can i find old/"legacy" deb files? |
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| 01:28.53 | kspath | I guess verbs and vowels can be missing is many cases and the idea can be communicated anyway. |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 01:28.57 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:29.05 | zog-vsl | thanks |
| 01:29.21 | sifi-xz | how do I load a script in gimp? http://deptinfo.unice.fr/twiki/pub/Docs/GimpDoc/aqua-pill-button.scm |
| 01:30.13 | LilAero | argh now I have to find my mouse ball for my linux box hahaha |
| 01:30.16 | vivid | Wyzard, i dunno if you remember our talk about the sis sata controller, anyway i just wanted to point out how i said it would probably be supported in the next version of ubuntu in two months...well it will be, and its available now and works great, so i dont have to use an old kernel anymore |
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| 01:30.52 | konfuzed | hmmm interesting |
| 01:30.54 | DirkGently | micahf: anything in /var/run? |
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| 01:31.01 | DirkGently | dhc* |
| 01:31.38 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: put your script in ~/.gimp-2.2/script I don't actually have gimp installed right now to doublecheck this, but I think it's right |
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| 01:32.03 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, ok, and then? |
| 01:32.26 | jenkins | mepis? |
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| 01:32.36 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: gimp should then find the script on startup and put it in the script-fu menus |
| 01:32.49 | micahf | dirkgently, /var/run? |
| 01:33.15 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: and obviously the directory will correspond to your version of gimp, if you have somehting other than 2.2 |
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| 01:33.29 | micahf | dhclient.pid says 7327 |
| 01:33.50 | DirkGently | micahf: you should get dhclient.eth0.leases as well |
| 01:34.01 | micahf | hmm |
| 01:34.03 | micahf | I do not get that |
| 01:34.06 | DirkGently | if you have eth0 |
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| 01:34.26 | micahf | and dhclient is looking on the wrong subnet |
| 01:34.31 | micahf | maybe I will just switch subnets |
| 01:34.36 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, ok, I have it in place now, how do I access the script-fu menus |
| 01:34.39 | micahf | to the one that dhclient is looking on |
| 01:34.45 | micahf | 255.255.255.255 |
| 01:34.48 | micahf | for some reason |
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| 01:35.07 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: there is a menu called Script Fu in gimp |
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| 01:35.33 | DirkGently | you can tweak /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 01:35.49 | micahf | ah |
| 01:35.52 | micahf | yea I will do that :D |
| 01:36.20 | micahf | hmm, that file doesn't exist, what should I add for subnet? |
| 01:36.24 | DirkGently | 255.255.255.255 just means it will search all subnets doesn't it? |
| 01:36.34 | micahf | I don't know |
| 01:36.47 | micahf | ugh, this is frustrating |
| 01:36.54 | micahf | I can get gentoo to work but not debian :D |
| 01:37.08 | micahf | or worse, not even ubuntu! |
| 01:37.12 | micahf | freaking ATI |
| 01:37.18 | micahf | it's their fault |
| 01:37.27 | DirkGently | ubuntu is debian-based |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 01:37.46 | micahf | I know, but it's "easiest of all" |
| 01:37.49 | micahf | that's my point |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | you're just lazy :) |
| 01:37.59 | micahf | I know the installer is like exactly the same |
| 01:38.02 | micahf | I'm lazy? |
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| 01:38.11 | DirkGently | funny.. I'm sure I typed debian-based |
| 01:38.17 | micahf | man, I'm not lazy I'm getting this to work on a crappy ATI motherboard |
| 01:38.21 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, thx for your help, do you think scripts is avalible for Inkscape as well |
| 01:38.32 | micahf | lord this motherboard sucks |
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| 01:38.52 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: don't know.. I haven't used Inkscape |
| 01:39.03 | micahf | first thing that happened with gentoo and ubuntu live was that the time synced too many times |
| 01:39.12 | micahf | so the time ran twice as fast as it should have |
| 01:39.12 | DirkGently | micahf: integrated network adapter? |
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| 01:39.16 | micahf | yea that too |
| 01:39.21 | micahf | and it won't work |
| 01:39.22 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, you shold try it out when you got time, it's SVG |
| 01:39.24 | micahf | and it's getting on me |
| 01:39.39 | micahf | I wonder if it's using the wrong driver that somehow works just not for DHCP |
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| 01:40.15 | DirkGently | micahf: which is it? |
| 01:40.23 | micahf | see, I have no idea |
| 01:40.30 | micahf | it doesn't even say in my mobo docs |
| 01:40.35 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, Much vector graphics in Linux ss created with Inkscape |
| 01:40.45 | micahf | I will look it up on the net in a second |
| 01:41.04 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: cool, svg interests me very much. I can't wait until it's widely supported on the web |
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| 01:41.48 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, as me then =), http://gallery.urosevic.net/svg/ to give you a taste |
| 01:41.52 | zethreth | Anyone ever get a "segmentation fault" message after running "apt-cache search" |
| 01:42.01 | Napoledno | How do I get KDE 3.5 on Sarge? |
| 01:42.13 | konfuzed | micahf: which ATI motherboard is it |
| 01:42.15 | micahf | dirkgently, which motherboard or which network interface? |
| 01:42.16 | micahf | ohh |
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| 01:42.40 | zog-vsl | snapshot.debian.net doesnt go back far enough, any other places to get potato/woody i386 debs? |
| 01:42.42 | micahf | an RS480-M |
| 01:42.46 | konfuzed | ok |
| 01:42.51 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, Inkscape has inbuilt tutorials and other neat stuffs |
| 01:42.54 | konfuzed | when did ATI start making motherboards? |
| 01:43.05 | konfuzed | when I was asleep somewhere |
| 01:43.14 | micahf | I'm just as konfuzed as you on that one man |
| 01:43.14 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: did the script show up in gimp? |
| 01:43.18 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, I dumped 1 years of work done in Photoshop today =) |
| 01:43.27 | micahf | but I was naive |
| 01:43.30 | micahf | and screwed up |
| 01:43.39 | DirkGently | !woody |
| 01:43.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 01:44.19 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, well, I can't find scripts from ../scripts but I find inbuilt script-fu's |
| 01:44.57 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: in gimp try Xtns -> Script-Fu -> Refresh |
| 01:45.20 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, yes, but then? |
| 01:45.34 | chrome | konfuzed: ATi are making motherboard chipsets so motherboard manufacturers can support 'crossfire'. They don't retail motherboards, but ATi have made reference boards to flog their chipset. |
| 01:45.38 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: then look for the new function in the Script Fu menu |
| 01:45.50 | chrome | konfuzed: I believe :) |
| 01:45.52 | konfuzed | micahf: giev a more specific full name and model number ; is it this one http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=701 |
| 01:46.16 | konfuzed | hm |
| 01:46.26 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, I dont have to play with the Script-fu Console? I can't find it |
| 01:46.35 | micahf | konfused, sorry, no it's this one http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloads/ProductsDetail_Download.aspx?CategoryID=1&Typeid=31&detailid=506&DetailName=Bios&DetailDesc=RS480-M&MenuID=0&LanID=0 |
| 01:46.42 | konfuzed | oh ecs |
| 01:46.49 | micahf | yea, but ATI chipset |
| 01:47.05 | konfuzed | so its made by ecs |
| 01:47.19 | micahf | yea, but all ATI controllers and it's basically an ATI motherboard |
| 01:47.23 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: can you give me the url of the script? if it's a standard script-fu, it should show up in the script fu menu |
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| 01:47.48 | konfuzed | built entirely by ecs who borrowed two chips from ati |
| 01:47.57 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, ok, here is the URL: http://deptinfo.unice.fr/twiki/pub/Docs/GimpDoc/aqua-pill-button.scm |
| 01:48.05 | micahf | well, sort of, yea |
| 01:48.11 | Seb | anyone has this annoying acpi problem where it reports "battery charged, 0%" ? |
| 01:48.17 | konfuzed | hopefully for an AMD cpu |
| 01:48.18 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 01:48.24 | Seb | i mean, it *is* charged, so why does it show as 0% ? |
| 01:50.09 | micahf | konfuzed, but other companies make RS480 motherboards from ATI as well |
| 01:50.21 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: does it appear as Xtns/Script-Fu/Web Page Themes/Aqua Pill ? |
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| 01:50.57 | DirkGently | Seb: I have that.. but then my battery is knackered |
| 01:51.21 | Seb | DirkGently: mine works fine |
| 01:51.23 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, nope, and I have even restarted GIMP now |
| 01:51.35 | Seb | DirkGently: it's just that somehow f*cking acpi gets lost |
| 01:51.40 | DirkGently | Seb: I think I turned off acpi |
| 01:51.46 | Seb | DirkGently: it's not even agreeing with itself at this point :) |
| 01:51.50 | sanxiyn | How can I learn to troll? |
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| 01:52.15 | abrotman | sanxiyn: do you really want to learn? |
| 01:52.32 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yes! |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | sanxiyn: ok . i'm going to use the transmogrifier .. |
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| 01:52.47 | DirkGently | sanxiyn: it's not learnt.. it's a genetic abberration |
| 01:52.48 | kspath | !!smite sanxiyn |
| 01:52.50 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, the name is /home/x/.gimp-2.2/scripts/x and it has x as owner and group |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | sanxiyn: you're now 15 .. face full of acne .. no chance of being laid for your entire life .. and you think it's funny to piss people off .. |
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| 01:53.58 | micahf | ugh this sucks |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | sanxiyn: and you have to think nvidia is the best thing ever .. and overclocking is for profit |
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| 01:54.05 | micahf | now my windows install is broken too |
| 01:54.20 | DirkGently | micahf: hard reboot? |
| 01:54.30 | kspath | sanxiyn: and you think gentoo is the best thing EVER |
| 01:54.36 | Seb | kspath: it is |
| 01:54.55 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, well, I think it's about time to learn Inkscape so... but it's good to know that GIMP is script friendly compared to PS ;) |
| 01:54.55 | DirkGently | Seb is an ex-troll too :¬P |
| 01:54.58 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: I don't know the answer, sifi, but since I need to install gimp, I will try the extension myself and msg you if it works. |
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| 01:55.08 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i know what you're thinking .. i just described you exactly . and for that . i apologize |
| 01:55.33 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 01:55.39 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, do so, and apt-get install inkscape, try it out with their tutorials |
| 01:55.51 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: yeah, gimp has a pretty simplistic Scheme scripting language. I hear that the developers intend to replace it with a better implementation of Scheme |
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| 01:56.31 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: sure. stay online a while. installing gimp will take me a while because I'm on dialup |
| 01:56.44 | robin_z | where can I get a debian for windows XP instead of this DOS version? |
| 01:57.04 | sanxiyn | robin_z +1 |
| 01:57.05 | micahf | dirkgently, I dunno, it says it needs some .dll reinstalled |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | robin_z: colinux ? |
| 01:57.40 | robin_z | abrotman: you were not supposed to tkae that one seriously you know ... |
| 01:57.47 | Seb | micahf: you done did fuck it up then |
| 01:57.48 | sanxiyn | robin_z: Since Gentoo is the best thing in the world, try http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ |
| 01:58.05 | micahf | dirkgently, grub detected the install, but now it doesn't work |
| 01:58.09 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, It would be really nice if we started Inkscape at the same time or could show some great examples, I'm out for professional feel and look |
| 01:58.14 | micahf | man, I didn't touch the windows partition |
| 01:58.22 | abrotman | robin_z: sorry .. i'll empty my brain |
| 01:58.28 | robin_z | sanxiyn: yeah yeah ... you are DJB and I claim my free pint. |
| 01:58.33 | Seb | micahf: you prolly did |
| 01:58.58 | micahf | seb, I know for a fact it didn't touch the windows partition |
| 01:59.12 | sanxiyn | robin_z: I am not DJB. |
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| 01:59.23 | Seb | micahf: ah, well then your dll must have been removed manually by someone who hates your guts. Or someone who loves you maybe. |
| 01:59.24 | micahf | seb, how would grub have detected it and added an option called "windows XP professional" if I had erased the partition? |
| 02:00.03 | micahf | and whenever I boot I have to disable apic because of the plethora of problems with my motherboard |
| 02:00.14 | robin_z | sanxiyn: are your sure you aren't? .. DLB is quite mad ... if youe were DJB, you might not reallise it, due to the madness ... |
| 02:00.31 | micahf | I have a friend down the hall who's never touched linux and he installed kubuntu in like 20 minutes, all his hardware detected and it runs perfectly |
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| 02:00.45 | micahf | who do they have detecting hardware over at kubuntu linux inc. ? |
| 02:01.10 | kspath | Maybe your "friend" has better/decent hardware? |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | micahf: three hamsters |
| 02:01.17 | TonyB2006 | a panel of drunken monkeys |
| 02:01.21 | robin_z | micahf: I dont have any friends who use ubuntu |
| 02:01.25 | micahf | those are some good hamsters and monkeys |
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| 02:01.32 | micahf | I'm talking about kubuntu now |
| 02:01.32 | robin_z | micahf: I have some ex-friends that do ... |
| 02:01.38 | FarrisG | This is very odd: I have determined that it's nfs doing a bunch of writing to my disk, which means it's definitely a remote machine. But iptraf shows very little traffic. Any ideas? |
| 02:01.39 | micahf | I absolutely hate the concept of kubuntu |
| 02:01.39 | kspath | I purposely choose my hardware to work with BSDs and Linux. |
| 02:01.52 | micahf | kspath, I wish I would have known |
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| 02:02.00 | robin_z | kubuntu? thats like ubuntu, but with added K? |
| 02:02.09 | DirkGently | ubuntu + kde |
| 02:02.22 | TonyB2006 | stupid concept, making a whole other distrib |
| 02:02.22 | kspath | micahf: 1) pick common hardware that does not have the latest greatest BS |
| 02:02.24 | micahf | yea, but it has better hardware detection |
| 02:02.29 | robin_z | ick. |
| 02:02.39 | robin_z | I trod in some KDE once |
| 02:02.41 | micahf | kubuntu has better hardware detection than ubuntu |
| 02:02.48 | kspath | micahf: 2) pick a moderately common motherboard |
| 02:02.50 | micahf | yea I hate kde let me tell you |
| 02:02.54 | DirkGently | robin_z == troll |
| 02:03.00 | micahf | kspath, too late for that now |
| 02:03.05 | micahf | I picked ATI |
| 02:03.15 | micahf | cheapest one I could buy from newegg for my processor |
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| 02:03.31 | kspath | micahf: 3) avoid SATA unless they are non-boot drives. ATA/SCSI are fine. |
| 02:03.55 | micahf | I clearly brought this upon my self |
| 02:04.01 | micahf | but yea I have ATA and SATA |
| 02:04.03 | micahf | both of them |
| 02:04.05 | micahf | or something |
| 02:04.06 | robin_z | weve had no recent trouble with SATA ... |
| 02:04.18 | robin_z | even a SATA raid thing seemed to work last weeek |
| 02:04.28 | zethreth | could a segfault in apt-get search be caused by my recent overclocking. I put the default clock speed back in place and the problem persists still. |
| 02:04.29 | TonyB2006 | kspath: i have sata as my boot drive, but i need an initrd, or else i get a kernel panic |
| 02:05.02 | kspath | I am not saying SATA can not work. I am saying that there are numerous issues with numerous OSs |
| 02:05.02 | micahf | well guys, I have to tell you, I don't have enough space to download the full debian ISO on my powerbook |
| 02:05.14 | micahf | and i happen to have a full ubuntu one lying around |
| 02:05.19 | robin_z | just rm stuff until you have |
| 02:05.23 | micahf | haha |
| 02:05.28 | DirkGently | suse installed without a hitch on SATA |
| 02:05.39 | kspath | micahf: I have to tell you there is a 40MB netinstall at www.debian.org. |
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| 02:05.44 | robin_z | DirkGently: now YOU are trolling :) |
| 02:05.50 | DirkGently | hehe |
| 02:05.55 | micahf | kspath, I would be using that if I could get the network to work |
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| 02:06.17 | robin_z | my Inspiron 8000 got debianed last weekend, to my suprise it went fairly smoothly |
| 02:06.18 | micahf | kspath, in fact, I've been using the 100 mb netinstall CD! |
| 02:06.18 | DirkGently | robin_z: I'm in transition.. suse -> debian testing |
| 02:06.21 | micahf | but the net part doesn't work |
| 02:06.34 | micahf | the hardware is detected and even connects to the router |
| 02:06.38 | micahf | but not through DHCP |
| 02:06.39 | robin_z | the only fuck up was the X reolution |
| 02:06.42 | kspath | hmm have you tried downloading and burning the iso on ANY other machine or another OS on that same machine then using that CD to install with? |
| 02:06.43 | robin_z | resolution |
| 02:07.16 | robin_z | failed to spot my ATI rage was 1440x1050 or some such |
| 02:07.20 | sanxiyn | Is there debootstrap equivalent for RPM distros? |
| 02:07.20 | kspath | micahf: have you tried setting a static IP in the same block as the DHCP assigned ones? |
| 02:08.09 | DirkGently | micahf: and one that isn't already assigned? |
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| 02:08.30 | micahf | kspath, dirkgently, yes, yes |
| 02:08.32 | DirkGently | look at your leases on the router |
| 02:08.36 | DirkGently | ok |
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| 02:08.50 | micahf | kspath, I don't know what that means though |
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| 02:08.51 | robin_z | it was so nice to have a Sarge laptop ... almost made up for my poxy poxy POXY wifi SIP phone ... |
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| 02:09.25 | robin_z | Zyxel WiFI phones ... worse than a lump of KDE |
| 02:09.56 | DirkGently | *smoke* |
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| 02:11.16 | i386sx | mobile|: blah blah |
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| 02:12.56 | TonyB2006 | hi |
| 02:13.55 | sifi-xz | is there any more high preformance svg applications out there then |
| 02:14.00 | sifi-xz | inkscape |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | that's high performance ? |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | !info sodipodi sarge |
| 02:14.27 | dpkg | sodipodi: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.34-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 965 kB, Installed size: 3572 kB |
| 02:14.32 | sifi-xz | abrotman, I mean advanced |
| 02:14.37 | abrotman | sodipodi ? |
| 02:15.34 | abrotman | sifi-xz: depends what you're trying to do |
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| 02:16.23 | sifi-xz | abrotman, I'm trying to do advanced aqua buttons which should look like real glass |
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| 02:16.48 | abrotman | sifi-xz: gimp ? .. but it's not vector based |
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| 02:16.55 | DirkGently | robin_sz: what gui do you use then? |
| 02:16.56 | micahf | sodipodi is like the same as inkscape |
| 02:17.12 | micahf | they are both from sodipodi |
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| 02:17.22 | micahf | the only thing different at this point is really the interface |
| 02:17.31 | micahf | like, the layout of the buttons |
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| 02:17.36 | micahf | photoshop is amazing |
| 02:17.43 | micahf | I wish gimp came close |
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| 02:17.46 | systemadmin | what is the default cdrom in a 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 02:17.47 | sifi-xz | abrotman, is there some packages that can animate vector? |
| 02:17.48 | micahf | it's just missing something |
| 02:18.02 | sifi-xz | micahf, photoshop is not free |
| 02:18.04 | De_Mon | I need to repackage a .deb is dpkg -x and dpkg -b the correct command? I seem to be missing the dsc and maybe other files |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | sifi-xz: nto packaged .. but .. synfig .. maybe |
| 02:18.11 | De_Mon | (s) |
| 02:18.24 | abrotman | systemadmin: huh ? |
| 02:18.50 | De_Mon | RetroJ pay $3000 for photoshop and you'll suddenly like it more I promise :P |
| 02:19.10 | sifi-xz | abrotman, ? I can't find it in Etch |
| 02:19.16 | systemadmin | abrotman, i installed debian on my laptop and i cannot find the cdrom. it used to be /dev/hdc and not that doesnt work. i have a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 02:19.25 | micahf | de_mon, you haven't heard the news? they raised it to $5000 |
| 02:19.34 | konfuzed | well it kinda ends kde fanatics and gnome fanatics arguing in the same channel |
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| 02:19.42 | konfuzed | another flash back |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | systemadmin: read `dmesg | less` |
| 02:19.49 | De_Mon | systemadmin does /dev/cdrom exist? |
| 02:19.52 | micahf | yea, I think xfce is more promising than both |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | sifi-xz: can't find hwat ? |
| 02:19.57 | micahf | no offense to all those guys |
| 02:20.00 | micahf | or maybe e17 |
| 02:20.08 | RetroJ | De_Mon: hehe, well my basis for comparison is the educational photoshop that my dad has, and it didn't cost nearly that much |
| 02:20.13 | lup1n | HIJOS DE PUTA |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:20.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:20.32 | sifi-xz | abrotman, some packages that could animate svg other then inkscape |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | sifi-xz: synfig isn't in debian yet .. i don't know of anything else |
| 02:20.55 | sifi-xz | abrotman, ah |
| 02:21.01 | xlotlu | any idea why debootstrap comes with such a limited number of devices? are the rest supposed to be discovered during its running? or manually created post-bootstrap? |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | sifi-xz: i only know sodipodi, inkscape, and synfig ... maybe something for KDE ? |
| 02:21.29 | micahf | is fstab the only thing you have to edit in order to add a separately mounted /home partition? |
| 02:21.44 | DirkGently | micahf: xfce looks nicer than it did |
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| 02:22.03 | micahf | because I just forgot to select the mountpoint on my old gentoo home partition, and I really do not feel like waiting for this freaking installer one more time |
| 02:22.19 | systemadmin | abrotman, i only see sata disk, sda |
| 02:22.23 | xlotlu | micahf yeah; unless you wanna label the partition |
| 02:22.27 | DirkGently | micahf: that should do it |
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| 02:22.40 | abrotman | systemadmin: is it an ide cd drive? |
| 02:22.51 | sifi-xz | abrotman, ok, does synfig has more advantages then Inkscape? |
| 02:22.55 | systemadmin | dont know, it is inside laptop |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | sifi-xz: synfig.com .. they're not the same kind of tool |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | systemadmin: modprobe idecd |
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| 02:23.22 | abrotman | or ide-cd .. whatever it is |
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| 02:24.36 | sifi-xz | abrotman, thx |
| 02:24.47 | systemadmin | abrotman, ok i did that, did lsmod and i see it |
| 02:24.53 | systemadmin | moutn /cdrom |
| 02:24.55 | systemadmin | opsp |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | wtf is opsp ? |
| 02:25.57 | FarrisG | ok, either NFS uses some kind of kernel shortcuts to be able to write to disks without it showing up in lsof, or lsof is screwed up. I know for a fact that something is writing to the drive I have mounted at /project, but "lsof | grep project" shows nothing but the actual nfsd mount, not exactly what below /project is being written |
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| 02:26.10 | systemadmin | abrotman, thats was oops |
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| 02:26.20 | abrotman | systemadmin: still no workie? |
| 02:26.23 | systemadmin | abrotman, ok so i see it . but i cannot mount it |
| 02:26.34 | systemadmin | abrotman, i see it in lsmod |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | what is in the drive? |
| 02:26.59 | systemadmin | dvd writer |
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| 02:27.04 | systemadmin | movie |
| 02:27.07 | DirkGently | bedtime |
| 02:27.11 | abrotman | you don't mount movies |
| 02:27.14 | abrotman | or audio cds |
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| 02:28.50 | sifi-xz | abrotman, I can't execute "sodipodi" from "Run command" in KDE, cant find it on the menu either |
| 02:29.00 | abrotman | sifi-xz: did you install it ? |
| 02:29.14 | sifi-xz | abrotman, yes |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | sifi-xz: run it from your konsole |
| 02:29.45 | sifi-xz | abrotman, I get; Failed to fetch http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-0_2.8.5-1_i386.deb |
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| 02:29.56 | abrotman | i thought you said it was installed |
| 02:29.56 | sifi-xz | see what apt-get update does |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | sifi-xz: apt-get update; apt-get install sodipodi |
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| 02:30.38 | strider | what would we do without abrotman :P |
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| 02:31.31 | karsten | strider: We'd be stuck with abrotinfo. |
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| 02:31.51 | abrotman | karsten: abotman |
| 02:32.00 | abrotman | strider: there'd be much less traffic :) |
| 02:32.03 | strider | heh, nice |
| 02:32.14 | karsten | abrotman: costelloman? |
| 02:32.22 | abrotman | karsten: no .. abotman |
| 02:32.30 | sifi-xz | abrotman, ok, so is sodipodi or inkscape better for making aqua buttons? |
| 02:32.33 | karsten | abrotman: That 'r'... |
| 02:32.39 | karsten | abrotman: ... it's drivin' me nuts! |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | sifi-xz: nfc .. they're both vector drawing tools |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | karsten: what is it with you and your nuts ... |
| 02:33.15 | micahf | abrotman, they are even from the same source :D |
| 02:33.22 | micahf | they are even like exactly the same program! |
| 02:33.22 | bucky | sifi-xz, what about blender http://blender.org/cms/Home.2.0.html |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | karsten and his nuts? |
| 02:33.29 | micahf | yea use blender! |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | micahf: not quite |
| 02:33.38 | karsten | abrotman: Get a little closer and I'll demonstrate. |
| 02:33.39 | De_Mon | hmm.. I'm building a kernel for a cobalt. I used make-kpkg, but need to replace the vmlinuz image with the correct vmlinux.bz2 image.. how do I repackage the deb with the correct files? |
| 02:33.43 | micahf | abrotman, they have like the same features |
| 02:33.43 | abrotman | bucky: does blender do vector based drawings ? |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | micahf: not quite |
| 02:33.58 | sifi-xz | abrotman, yes, but which is more common, easy to use, do you have any clue? |
| 02:34.00 | micahf | abrotman, what is different? |
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| 02:34.11 | abrotman | micahf: inkscape has way more tools |
| 02:34.19 | micahf | hmm, like what? |
| 02:34.22 | bucky | abrotman, vector fonts.. |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | micahf: apt-get install sodipodi inkscape .. come back in two hours with a report |
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| 02:34.49 | micahf | I've used them before |
| 02:34.53 | micahf | I didn't see anything different |
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| 02:35.03 | abrotman | micahf: i'm sorry . you're oblivious :) |
| 02:35.05 | micahf | other than that in sodipodi, some of the manipulation tools were hidden |
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| 02:35.35 | micahf | abrotman, no, I honestly couldn't find differences other than in implementation |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | sifi-xz: i just can't imagine you're having this much trouble making buttons |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | micahf: use them more ... |
| 02:36.43 | sifi-xz | abrotman, well, I want aqua buttons with class which takes time |
| 02:36.52 | micahf | abrotman, I honestly can say that I've used each quite a bit and can't find many differences |
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| 02:37.13 | sean_micken | hey does the freetype included with debian use the bytecode interpreter? |
| 02:37.19 | micahf | abrotman, please tell me specifically what is missing from sodipodi that makes it so completely different from inkscape |
| 02:37.41 | systemadmin | if someone says i need to apply a patch to my kernel, that measn running the patch against the source and recompiling the kernel right? if so, is there a easy way to tell what i need to put in my new kernel from my old one? |
| 02:37.41 | Sonny | does somebody what I have to add to my sources.list to install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 02:38.09 | sean_micken | Sonny: add "contrib non-free" to the end of your debian mirrors |
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| 02:38.31 | chealer | systemadmin: yes, that's what it means |
| 02:38.33 | abrotman | micahf: i didn't say anything was missing |
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| 02:38.38 | sean_micken | Sonny: e.g: deb ftp://ftp.sunsite.dk/mirrors/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 02:38.41 | micahf | abrotman, are you talking about layers? |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | micahf: i said they were different |
| 02:38.48 | micahf | they only forked a few years ago |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 02:38.54 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 02:38.55 | micahf | but really they behave the same |
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| 02:39.01 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | Piggy! |
| 02:39.10 | Sonny | sean_micken: thanks |
| 02:39.13 | micahf | to me they are as similar as gimp and that hack that makes it look like photoshop |
| 02:39.16 | sean_micken | Sonny: np |
| 02:39.18 | systemadmin | chealer, ok so is there a wayt ot tell or transfer seeting from my exiting kernel into the new one, so i dont have to go through by hand or leave something out on accident> |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | micahf: and that right there is proof you have ZERO idea of what you're saying |
| 02:39.36 | micahf | how? |
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| 02:40.03 | abrotman | you think gimp/inkscape/sodipodi are all the same ? .. |
| 02:40.06 | micahf | no |
| 02:40.07 | micahf | haha |
| 02:40.08 | micahf | hahaha |
| 02:40.15 | chealer | systemadmin: yes. kernel compilation documentation should probably cover that though |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | they are as similar as gimp ? |
| 02:40.44 | micahf | no |
| 02:40.55 | micahf | GIMPshop is to GIMP as SodiPodi is to Inkscape |
| 02:40.57 | micahf | get it? |
| 02:41.10 | micahf | except maybe the other way around |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | no .. but somehow .. i'm not surprised |
| 02:41.32 | micahf | you're not surprised? |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | micahf: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/SodiPodi |
| 02:41.38 | bucky | sifi-xz, you want some aqua icons? |
| 02:41.40 | micahf | dude we are arguing over nothing |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | good enough ? |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | micahf: is that enough damn differences for you ? |
| 02:42.13 | micahf | that's really not many differences man |
| 02:42.20 | sifi-xz | bucky, yes, I want to make them on my own |
| 02:42.21 | micahf | it's minor interface things |
| 02:42.27 | micahf | and some performance things |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | micahf: apparently you can't read or convey ideas |
| 02:42.31 | micahf | no major interface things |
| 02:42.41 | micahf | and no major feature additions |
| 02:42.42 | Sonny | sean_micken: now what packages do I need to install nvidia driver in etch? |
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| 02:42.48 | micahf | such as perspective distort |
| 02:42.55 | micahf | except layers |
| 02:43.04 | bucky | sifi-xz, here's a tarball of aqua icons if you want them |
| 02:43.05 | strider | !tell Sonny about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:43.09 | sett | what is sodipodi? |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | micahf: did you even fucking read that page ? |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | sett: vector based drawing program |
| 02:43.46 | strider | sett: the one which inkscape forked out of |
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| 02:44.03 | Sonny | strider: I think this is for xfree86 but now I'm using xorg |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | tbh . i'm not even sure sodipodi is still being developed |
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| 02:44.18 | micahf | look man, my thing is that they feel exactly the same, and both of them feel like the gimp and are slow, I use inkscape, because it's newer and faster, but neither of them are extensively impressive |
| 02:44.22 | sifi-xz | Blender seems nice but advanced |
| 02:44.40 | strider | Sonny: read it again |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | micahf: then you're not very observant .. i just pointed you at a page that you're unable to read that shows many differences |
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| 02:45.14 | abrotman | micahf: it may not be stuff that matters to you .. but that doesn't mean they don't exist |
| 02:45.25 | karrot-x | whats a program that will let me grab a mms stream and convert it to mp3? |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | sifi-xz: advanced isn't the word for it |
| 02:45.26 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 02:45.35 | quik_ | how can I disable x-server? |
| 02:45.45 | micahf | abrotman, yes there are differences, but my point is that those differences are negligible when comparing both to illustrator or freehand or something |
| 02:45.48 | micahf | you see? |
| 02:45.57 | dvs | quik_: On boot? |
| 02:46.03 | Sonny | strider: I'm sorry... I figure out now... so just I hve to follow these steps |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | micahf: yes .. i see you're stubborn .. fine .. have a nice day .. |
| 02:46.18 | micahf | haha |
| 02:46.19 | quik_ | dvs - yes and just alltogether |
| 02:46.20 | micahf | ok you too |
| 02:46.32 | quik_ | it won't seem to configure for the monitor I have |
| 02:46.35 | dvs | quik_: Oh. Removed completely?? |
| 02:46.40 | quik_ | I just want to disable it altogether |
| 02:46.49 | dvs | !nodm |
| 02:46.49 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 02:47.05 | micahf | abrotman, the problem here is that you misinterpreted my argument as being quantitative when I said "they are the same" |
| 02:47.13 | micahf | I was talking qualitatively man |
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| 02:47.32 | abrotman | micahf: becausethat's what you keep saying |
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| 02:47.42 | micahf | I was dude |
| 02:47.45 | micahf | I have been |
| 02:47.47 | micahf | I don't care |
| 02:47.52 | micahf | I'm sticking to my point |
| 02:47.55 | micahf | you're sticking to yours |
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| 02:48.07 | EdLin | !tell micahf -about enter |
| 02:48.09 | strider | !tell Sonny about nvidia |
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| 02:48.18 | captbob | I just reinstalled debian, but on bootup I get "Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing" and none of my daemons start. I cant find a real start-stop-daemon anywhere |
| 02:48.18 | strider | Sonny: just ask dpkg |
| 02:49.05 | micahf | !tell abrotman -about enter |
| 02:49.11 | micahf | :D |
| 02:49.15 | LilAero | On KDE, the mouse seems to reply to movement, but doesn't want to go anywhere except the top left corner ... possible misconfiguration with the mouse? |
| 02:49.16 | micahf | just had to spread the love. |
| 02:49.28 | Sonny | strider: how do I ask to dpkg? |
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| 02:49.40 | xlotlu | captbob: did you go through base-config ? |
| 02:49.47 | captbob | yes |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | micahf: so you're saying .. that i'm right .. good job |
| 02:49.58 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
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| 02:50.03 | dvs | yuck! |
| 02:50.18 | micahf | abrotman, nope, I'm not, I'm saying you are completely misinterpreting my point |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | where's my lager! |
| 02:50.27 | abrotman | micahf: you just said i got it right |
| 02:50.43 | strider | Sonny: you got the dpkg dialog window open. just use the prompts dpkg mentions |
| 02:50.49 | micahf | abrotman, yea I said you were right, within the context of your misinterpretation |
| 02:50.56 | strider | !beer abrotman |
| 02:50.57 | micahf | so go celebrate |
| 02:50.59 | EdLin | I joined late, am I missing anything worth talking about? |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | Lager! |
| 02:51.12 | strider | blame dpkg for that |
| 02:51.18 | EdLin | !beer abrotman |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | micahf: you said they're the same .. i said they weren't .. i proved my case . you failed |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | EdLin: woohoo! |
| 02:51.32 | sifi-xz | how can I find out the license for a specific package? |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | look in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> or use packages.debian.org |
| 02:52.28 | sifi-xz | abrotman, is it possible to do this from apt? |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | sifi-xz: not that i'm aware |
| 02:52.53 | abrotman | man apt-cache maybe? |
| 02:53.39 | micahf | abrotman, yea I said "they are the same," expressing my opinion that they both suck just about equally, and I don't care if there are layers in inkscape because the groups are still completely unusable, and I don't care if it's snappier because it has still crashed on my numerous times, and I don't care if the gradient handles work better, they still stick together for no apparent reason and you can't get them detached from each other |
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| 02:53.48 | glen_quagmire | anyone play cube? |
| 02:53.54 | micahf | catch me? |
| 02:53.56 | LilAero | blah |
| 02:53.57 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: did you get my msg? |
| 02:53.58 | micahf | english isn't math man |
| 02:54.03 | glen_quagmire | the first point shooter |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | micahf: you still didn't read that page .. quite sad .. it totally proves that you're wrong |
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| 02:54.10 | micahf | what!? |
| 02:54.16 | micahf | I'm wrong in my opinion?! |
| 02:54.23 | micahf | my opinion that is based on experience? |
| 02:54.25 | glen_quagmire | cube -t should start a windowed version..but it always starts fullscreen |
| 02:54.32 | micahf | I'm LOOKING at the features |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | in my experience .. porsche makes shitty cars |
| 02:54.40 | micahf | and thinking about features that totally make those useless |
| 02:54.51 | micahf | no abrotman, I'm not being a relativist |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | obviously using pango is worthless |
| 02:55.03 | micahf | ok, there you go, that's one thing that is wonderful |
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| 02:55.14 | micahf | clone tiling? |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | so .. they're .. different! .. |
| 02:55.27 | micahf | yea but they're still the same |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | glen_quagmire: is cube even in debian ? |
| 02:55.42 | glen_quagmire | abrotman, i don't know |
| 02:55.46 | micahf | a concept which you seem to have a hard time understanding |
| 02:55.51 | jjazz | glen_quagmire: I was at one time an avid rubik's cuber |
| 02:55.52 | sifi-xz | License: GNU GPL; some portions public domain. "some portions public domain" what is the definition of that |
| 02:55.55 | glen_quagmire | i met someone who's palying cube on debian |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | glen_quagmire: so you're asking here for what reason ? |
| 02:56.08 | abrotman | micahf: go away .. |
| 02:56.10 | glen_quagmire | debian has a huge user base |
| 02:56.17 | glen_quagmire | so i thought someone might know |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | glen_quagmire: and you're using what ? |
| 02:56.35 | glen_quagmire | abrotman, will you kick me? |
| 02:56.37 | glen_quagmire | arch |
| 02:56.48 | glen_quagmire | i'm not trying to troll |
| 02:56.48 | abrotman | did you ask #arch-linux or whatever channel they hang out in ? |
| 02:56.55 | glen_quagmire | yah |
| 02:56.59 | jjazz | sifi-xz: It's a mix of GPL and PD code. The parts that are GPL are GPL and subject to all the usual GPL stuff. The portions that are PD can be taken and used for whatever, without following the GPL requirements. |
| 02:57.07 | abrotman | glen_quagmire: you'd probably have better luck in ##linux |
| 02:57.17 | glen_quagmire | oh thanks abrotman |
| 02:57.25 | micahf | yea, or maybe even #ubuntu |
| 02:57.28 | sifi-xz | jjazz, so inkscape is not 100% GPL then |
| 02:57.38 | micahf | or maybe even #suse |
| 02:57.42 | jjazz | sifi-xz: I've never looked at its license. |
| 02:57.42 | micahf | if that's a real channel |
| 02:57.47 | micahf | I'm not sure |
| 02:57.47 | abrotman | don't tell micahf that .. because everything is the same! |
| 02:57.57 | micahf | haha |
| 02:58.02 | captbob | xlotlu: just ran base config again, and still get "Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. |
| 02:58.11 | micahf | abrotman dude, you clearly have been misinterpreting me for a while now |
| 02:58.14 | sifi-xz | jjazz, License: GNU GPL; some portions public domain. says /usr/share/doc/copyright |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | sadly .. micahf keeps peeing on the wall in the ladies room |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | micahf: no i haven't |
| 02:58.36 | sifi-xz | jjazz, erm /usr/share/doc/inkscape/copyright |
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| 02:58.54 | micahf | if I said that blacks and whites were the same, you would ignore their common humanity and say "no! they are different!" |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | micahf: i'm sure someone watched the exchange .. ask them |
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| 02:59.24 | jjazz | sifi-xz: I would guess that means what it says. Some portions are PD. But it's still 100% GPL in the sense that even the PD portions are GPL-compatible and can be licensed under the GPL. |
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| 02:59.39 | micahf | if I said poop and diarrhea were the same in the context of eating one or the other, you would say "now they are different! look at their consistency!" |
| 02:59.42 | kspath | I thought I had micahf on ignore |
| 02:59.46 | kspath | hmm |
| 02:59.48 | jjazz | sifi-xz: It really depends on what you mean by 100% GPL |
| 02:59.50 | micahf | haha |
| 02:59.56 | dondelelcaro | micahf: uh... you're way, way, off topic. |
| 03:00.14 | jjazz | kspath: After that last comment, he's on ignore now. |
| 03:00.18 | sifi-xz | jjazz, that it's follow the free software definition to 100% |
| 03:00.30 | xlotlu | captbob: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade # if this doesn't fix it, something got pretty screwed up |
| 03:00.31 | jjazz | kspath: That was SO not the right thing to hear while eating corn chowder. |
| 03:00.31 | micahf | dondelelcaro, we are talking about how I said inkscape and sodipodi were the same thing, and of course abrotman wouldn't have it |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | because they're not |
| 03:00.42 | kspath | chunks |
| 03:00.54 | dondelelcaro | micahf: that's where you started at; you've now gone quite a bit past that. |
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| 03:01.01 | micahf | dondelelcaro, I'm giving him examples of times when people would say things are they same even if they aren't exactly the same thing |
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| 03:01.07 | jjazz | sifi-xz: Are you asking whether it's DFSG compliant? |
| 03:01.17 | dondelelcaro | micahf: who cares? it's still off topic. |
| 03:01.17 | micahf | dondelelcaro, how else will he understand what I'm getting at? |
| 03:01.23 | orville | hello? |
| 03:01.28 | captbob | xlotlu: I've already done that actually. Everything is working perfectly except for this start-stop daemon stuff. apache2 even manages to start fine on its own |
| 03:01.31 | orville | 'lo? |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | orville: where's wilbur ? |
| 03:01.38 | rares000 | ok so does debian have php5-mysqli yet? |
| 03:01.43 | micahf | dondelelcaro, off of what topic? |
| 03:01.46 | bucky | micahf, i understood the poop example |
| 03:01.51 | kspath | wright? |
| 03:01.52 | litage | what tool(s) will convert an sgml file to an html or pdf file/ |
| 03:01.56 | micahf | thankyou bucky |
| 03:01.59 | cheal | rares000: no |
| 03:02.03 | sifi-xz | jjazz, Inkscapes copyright file: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xIT98n71.html |
| 03:02.13 | orville | abrotman: dead lucky bastard. :-/ |
| 03:02.39 | orville | anyone here use mythtv and know how to NOT have to use the mythtv user? |
| 03:02.46 | dondelelcaro | micahf: off topic for #debian; if you've got a disagreement with someone, explain what you mean. If they still disagree, take it to another medium besides Debian, especially when it's about something as pointless as comparing/differening inkscape and sodipodi. EOT. |
| 03:02.58 | jjazz | sifi-xz: Do you have a specific question? |
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| 03:03.10 | xlotlu | captbob: that somehow got left in that state from debootstrap. the real start-stop-daemon *should* be lying somewere |
| 03:03.14 | Smoked1 | I just installed postfix yesterday and I had some issues with getting it working so now I have some mail in the queue that says "(delivery temporarily suspended: transport is unavailable)". The mail server is workin now but I can't get thos messages to send. I tried postfix flush but that did not work. Does anyone know what I can do to get postfix to send these messages? |
| 03:03.30 | sifi-xz | jjazz, what does DFSG includes? |
| 03:03.32 | micahf | dondelelcaro, I understand that the whole thing was off topic for the debian channel, you're right |
| 03:03.43 | micahf | I just had to get my point out you know? I can't stop myself |
| 03:03.46 | captbob | xlotlu: I tried googling it and people there claimed the real one should be in /sbin, but its not, and I couldnt find it with locate either |
| 03:03.47 | jjazz | sifi-xz: Google dfsg debian and you'll see the list. |
| 03:03.51 | micahf | no self control here |
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| 03:04.10 | dondelelcaro | micahf: well, then you're going to force us to implement control for you; spend the next 10 minutes thinking about it. |
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| 03:04.34 | abrotman | glick: did you ever figure that out? |
| 03:04.53 | rares000 | http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Q:__Why_the_split_from_Sodipodi.3F |
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| 03:05.06 | abrotman | ok .. everyone drop it .. |
| 03:05.09 | ootput | hi guys, are any of you using evdev with xorg? |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | what is evdev? |
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| 03:05.29 | LilAero | On KDE, the mouse seems to reply to movement, but doesn't want to go anywhere except the top left corner ... possible misconfiguration with the mouse? |
| 03:05.37 | captbob | xlotlu do you know what package the start-stop-daemon would be part of? |
| 03:05.39 | ootput | for some reason evdev is an "unknown protocol" according to Xorg log |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | if we're moving to a new /dev/ again .. i'll kill :) |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | ah .. good |
| 03:05.54 | glick | abrocadabro, yeah apparently he wasnt in the necessary group |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | glick: you need to fix your tab key :) |
| 03:06.04 | xlotlu | captbob: it's dpkg. try apt-get --reinstall install dpkg |
| 03:06.12 | glick | heh |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | glick: ah .. the permissions on the base dir were wrong ? |
| 03:06.26 | glick | abrocadabro, no they were fine, he just wasnt a member of the group |
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| 03:06.29 | glick | the developer group |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | glick: again with the tab! :) |
| 03:06.41 | RetroJ | sifi-xz: are you still there? plase msg me |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | glick: ah ok .. as long as it works .. |
| 03:06.49 | sifi-xz | RetroJ, yo |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | glick: that's a crappy error for wrong perms |
| 03:07.03 | S4nD3r | Which is the best manager content??? |
| 03:07.07 | S4nD3r | phpnuke ? |
| 03:07.26 | d0uglas | wordpress |
| 03:07.27 | captbob | xlotlu: thanks, that worked |
| 03:07.30 | EdLin | !polls |
| 03:07.30 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 03:07.41 | captbob | xlotlu: why is it part of dpkg? that seems odd |
| 03:07.50 | sifi-xz | jjazz, "I would guess that means what it says. Some portions are PD." so whats the diffs between PD and GPL? |
| 03:08.01 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: they're all different, some are better for specific tasks. |
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| 03:08.50 | xlotlu | captbob: beats me :) |
| 03:08.58 | jjazz | sifi-xz: The GPL is a license that spells out what you can and can't do with regard to copying, modifying and distributing some code. PD is not a license so much as giving your code to the world with no restrictions and no responsibilities and no requirements to give back. PD is the equivalend of an all-permissive license. |
| 03:09.15 | captbob | xlotlu: how did you find out? or did you just know |
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| 03:09.47 | blahhhh | does anyone know anything about dhcp not working when installing "stable" and/or "testing" on an ibook g4? |
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| 03:10.12 | xlotlu | captbob: i was actually just fiddling with debootstrap for the past 5 hours, so i found out lots of things |
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| 03:13.15 | xuniluser | HELP: what firewall app do you use in debian? |
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| 03:14.14 | glick | abrotman, yeah right |
| 03:14.23 | glick | that is a crappy error |
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| 03:14.26 | abrotman | holy crap .. glick found the tab key! |
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| 03:18.43 | Mr0bvious | What should I do to make sure debian is current? |
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| 03:19.00 | abrotman | Mr0bvious: which version ? |
| 03:19.19 | LilAero | On KDE, the mouse seems to reply to movement, but doesn't want to go anywhere except the top left corner, also, does not respond to left/right clicking ... possible misconfiguration with the mouse? |
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| 03:19.38 | abrotman | LilAero: possibly wrong protocol |
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| 03:20.21 | Mr0bvious | abrotman, I have sarge I think. |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 03:20.31 | Mr0bvious | I just did a net install. |
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| 03:20.46 | abrotman | Mr0bvious: also .. http://security.debian.org/ .. subscribe to the list .. |
| 03:21.01 | Mr0bvious | I noticed I'm running a 2.4 kernel. |
| 03:21.04 | Mr0bvious | Kinda old. |
| 03:21.08 | abrotman | so install 2.6 |
| 03:21.12 | abrotman | what's your CPU? |
| 03:21.17 | captbob | is there a debian way to set up nfs? |
| 03:21.27 | EdLin | Mr0bvious: 2.6 can be selected in the install disk in the beginning |
| 03:21.36 | Mr0bvious | P4 1.8A overclocked to 3 GHz, but I'm using qemu. |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | EdLin: kind of late now :) |
| 03:21.51 | abrotman | Mr0bvious: i have no idea what that means ... |
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| 03:21.59 | Mr0bvious | :| |
| 03:22.03 | abrotman | oh well .. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 03:22.08 | abrotman | that will at least work |
| 03:22.09 | mfrisch | you overclocked to what |
| 03:22.17 | Mr0bvious | 1.8 GHz to 3 |
| 03:22.23 | abrotman | a melted computer :) |
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| 03:22.33 | mfrisch | ;-0 |
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| 03:23.10 | abrotman | Mr0bvious: has the firecompany noticed that you have a hose hooked up to the hydrant ? |
| 03:23.46 | Tchiak | I have two debian machines and i need them to have a static ip on the network, how can i get them to request a specific ip rather than having it randomly assigned by the DHCP? |
| 03:23.46 | LilAero | haha |
| 03:24.05 | mfrisch | at least it's an intel thats he's borking |
| 03:24.05 | abrotman | !tell Tchiak about interfaces |
| 03:25.37 | sifi-xz | how do I open emacs in CLI? |
| 03:25.44 | rumpl | emacs -nw |
| 03:25.45 | xlotlu | is it safe to copy stuff from /dev to a chrooted /dev ? |
| 03:25.53 | LilAero | protocol changed for mouse, easy way of reloading configuration for freex//kde? |
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| 03:26.00 | LilAero | er |
| 03:26.01 | LilAero | xfree |
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| 03:26.48 | sfullenwider | how do I delete a file called -frames? |
| 03:26.54 | sfullenwider | how do I escape the "-" ? |
| 03:27.06 | LilAero | \-frames? |
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| 03:27.29 | dondelelcaro | sfullenwider: rm -- -frames |
| 03:27.36 | sfullenwider | rm: invalid option -- a |
| 03:27.46 | blahhhh | I have my ibook g4 wired to a netgear router that i know is configured correctly, anyone have any idea why dhclient isnt getting an IP address on the ibook when installing testing or stable? |
| 03:27.48 | dondelelcaro | sfullenwider: man rm; for more details. |
| 03:28.23 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: does the port linkup? do you see the DHCPDISCOVER requests at the netgear? does a static configuration work? |
| 03:29.15 | sfullenwider | that worked, thank you |
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| 03:29.33 | af3f3 | Greetings |
| 03:29.45 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: static isnt working either for some reason, the sungem modules loads correctly and everything though |
| 03:29.59 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: if the static isn't working, then you've got a more interesting problem. |
| 03:30.35 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: first see if you're even linked up; then see if packets are making it out of the ibook. |
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| 03:30.47 | af3f3 | I just did a fresh install of Debian and I open up Kopete and it doesn't allow me to get online with IRC |
| 03:31.30 | af3f3 | And when I try to remove the IRC account it crashes Kopete. |
| 03:31.53 | jshriver | How is everyone today? |
| 03:32.08 | abrotman | don't the g4's use a broadcom driver? |
| 03:32.14 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no |
| 03:32.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they use sungem |
| 03:32.21 | abrotman | jshriver: at least i'm not in ohio! |
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| 03:32.35 | mfrisch | abrotman: A hey |
| 03:32.35 | dondelelcaro | (however, the 802.11 card uses the bcm43xx driver...) |
| 03:32.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is the broadcom for the airport(extreme) ? |
| 03:32.43 | jshriver | abrotman, lol.. OH isn't that bad.. |
| 03:32.47 | jshriver | prefer cali and texas though |
| 03:32.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: exactly |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 03:33.01 | jshriver | where are you? |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | jshriver: luckily . not Ohio! |
| 03:33.33 | jshriver | lol |
| 03:34.07 | jshriver | OH is a nice state.. close to canada, lake erie, lots of parks |
| 03:34.26 | jml6 | I just upgraded from a base-install stable to testing through apt-get dist-upgrade and changing the repositories in the sources.list file, how can I install Gnome? |
| 03:34.50 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 03:34.50 | dpkg | methinks install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 03:35.17 | veamos | can anybody help me? |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | with what? |
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| 03:36.08 | veamos | The 1st time I installed debian 3.1-r1 .. my monitor's resolution was good |
| 03:36.17 | jshriver | anyone know where/how I can get gtk-im for debian? |
| 03:36.25 | jshriver | it's not in the sarge or testing it seems |
| 03:36.26 | abrotman | jshriver: gaim ? |
| 03:36.41 | veamos | I mean, it was 1024x 768, or something like that |
| 03:36.44 | jshriver | na.. it's an "input method" for linux,.. basically allows you to type japanese, etc |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | !drxx veamos |
| 03:36.49 | dpkg | veamos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:37.04 | veamos | but know, I have installed debian again, but the resolution is 800x600 |
| 03:37.28 | x3n0 | I make a new user on Kopete and I try to login to the Freenode.net on IRC and all I get is "yo uare mnow marked as Offline' |
| 03:38.02 | veamos | well, I've tried using xf86config |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | !tell veamos about xmd5 |
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| 03:38.38 | omi | Hello, are there any tools to draw BON diagrams for linux? |
| 03:38.41 | patbrugge | hello all. i installed my webcam (spc200nc philips) today and it works well with the spca5xx drivers but there is one small problem. The image is upside down :( rotated 180 degrees) is that a common webcam - linux problem and is there a (easy) fix? |
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| 03:38.45 | abrotman | omi: what's BON ? |
| 03:39.14 | omi | abrotman: similar to UML |
| 03:39.22 | abrotman | dia .. maybe? .. no idea |
| 03:39.46 | omi | nope |
| 03:39.49 | omi | http://www.cs.yorku.ca/eiffel/bon/WaldenNerson94.pdf |
| 03:40.48 | abrotman | omi: there are 454 pages there . .which one am i looking at ? |
| 03:40.58 | jshriver | is gtk-im built into Debian's gtk? |
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| 03:42.23 | x3n0 | How do I add users to the 'sudoers' lsit? |
| 03:42.31 | EdLin | x3n0: visudo |
| 03:42.50 | x3n0 | EdLin: Can you elaborate please? |
| 03:43.00 | EdLin | x3n0: execute visudo as root |
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| 03:43.02 | abrotman | man visudo ? |
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| 03:43.41 | x3n0 | EdLin: How do you write the syntax? |
| 03:43.51 | veamos | but I don't know some information about my video card |
| 03:43.56 | abrotman | like what ? |
| 03:43.59 | EdLin | x3n0: man sudoers |
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| 03:44.24 | Thaiger | Has anyone used the linux-wlan-ng drivers? I got the source and compiled it using modules assitant, but when I do a depmod it says that that p80211k depends on itself then fails to load the rest of the modules |
| 03:44.43 | veamos | like the bus, memory |
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| 03:44.56 | abrotman | leave the bus blank .. and the memory .. X should be able to figure it out |
| 03:45.22 | blahhhh | I'm still working on this networking problem with my ibook, it doesnt look like any of the packets are getting sent out... could it be a problem with the sungem driver or maybe some weird net modules i nead to load??? |
| 03:45.23 | veamos | so, I can type 'X' for memory? |
| 03:45.28 | abrotman | blank |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | nothing .. null .. zip .. zilch .. zero |
| 03:45.50 | omi | abrotman: look at page 159 |
| 03:45.58 | omi | I need a tool that has these templates for linux |
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| 03:46.27 | abrotman | omi: there's no picture! |
| 03:46.32 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: just the sungem module should be enough. Did the machine linkup with the linksys? |
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| 03:47.11 | abrotman | omi: as i said .. all i can think of is dia .. and i'm not 100% sure it does it |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | i'm not even 50% sure it does it :) |
| 03:47.47 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: well i have it wired into a netgear, and the interface on the netgear kind of sucks but it deosnt look like its seen anythong from the ibook, and even trying a static address and pinging the router, ifconfig shows no pakcets sent or revieved |
| 03:47.57 | diesel | Anyone know why the gnome menus do not show a recently installed application (at least not until I logoff/login)? |
| 03:48.01 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: do the lights on the netgear go on? |
| 03:48.13 | abrotman | diesel: is menu and menu-xdg installed ? |
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| 03:48.23 | diesel | abrotman: yes, both |
| 03:48.50 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: well, the light for the port that the ibook is wired to is on but its blinking super-fast which seems kind of weird haha |
| 03:49.07 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: i mean not like it normall does for rx/tx |
| 03:49.42 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: hrm... bad wire? |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | diesel: update-menus ? |
| 03:50.32 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: nope, tested that, it all works on my x86 machine running the same stuff |
| 03:50.48 | diesel | abrotman: yeah, I try that after I install an app and that does nothing to change the menus |
| 03:50.55 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: it also wont work if i ditch the router and wire it striaght unto my modem |
| 03:51.18 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: ok... well, that's kind of strange. This is with the sarge d-i right? which ibook? |
| 03:51.42 | abrotman | diesel: what app was it ? |
| 03:51.56 | diesel | abrotman: any app that I install |
| 03:52.02 | abrotman | like what? |
| 03:52.04 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: yeah it is, i tried sarge and the latest testing jigdo image, and its on a 12" ibook g4 1.2ghz |
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| 03:52.24 | diesel | abrotman: opera, firestarter, ipodder, k3b... |
| 03:52.59 | abrotman | diesel: did you check the debian menu in the gnome menu ? |
| 03:53.26 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: hrm... that's really wierd; I've got it working just fine on a 17" powerbook and haven't ever had a problem with any of the hardware |
| 03:53.35 | diesel | abrotman: yes I did |
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| 03:53.55 | abrotman | diesel: i have Opera in Applications->Debian->Net->Opera |
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| 03:54.57 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: yeah its really weird, i cant seem to find much about it either, i guess im unlucky haha |
| 03:55.05 | diesel | abrotman: That is where I would have expected opera to be placed, but no application will show up in the gnome menu (unless I logoff / login <- ugh, feels like windows) |
| 03:55.17 | ootput | hi guys, are any of you using evdev with xorg? |
| 03:55.36 | omi | abrotman: my bad, please take a look on page 300 (of text not pdf) |
| 03:55.46 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: and you've tried using a totally different physical wire, right? what does dmesg; output? (hit ctrl-f2 to go to the terminal) |
| 03:56.18 | abrotman | omi: hehe .. looks like a flowchart to me |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | diesel: update-menus should do it |
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| 03:57.02 | diesel | abrotman: yeah, that is what I thought as well. oh well...I don't keep this on 24/7..I can just use the CL until I reboot |
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| 03:57.32 | abrotman | it's still weird |
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| 03:57.39 | diesel | abrotman: indeed |
| 03:57.40 | x3n0 | In general is it best to give your alias within Debian root priviledges and do not log in as root? |
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| 03:58.15 | dondelelcaro | x3n0: it's best to do the third thing, which is use sudo instead. |
| 03:58.19 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: yeah i've used a different wire, and i downloaded a full iso of disk 1 so i could get a working system running, and from the looks of it everything loaded fine, the sungem modules loaded and found eth0 and everything i dont really know what part of it isnt working there isnt much info in the dmesg |
| 03:58.54 | dondelelcaro | blahhhh: right... when you plug in the wire and ifconfig eth0 up; you should see something like "link up 100M full duplex" or similar in dmesg. |
| 03:59.22 | x3n0 | dondelelcaro: For visudo is the syntax usr ALL=(ALL) ALL ? |
| 04:01.48 | jshriver | How do I disable totem from automatically playing movies? it's really annoying |
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| 04:01.58 | jshriver | I even tried apt-get remove totem but it seems to still be there |
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| 04:03.16 | blahhhh | dondelelcaro: im not getting that when i try to bring it up |
| 04:03.22 | blahhhh | im not really getting anything |
| 04:03.24 | Coweater | jshriver: totem is a dummy package, remove either totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
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| 04:05.44 | omi | abrotman: it is like UML but it shows pre and postconditions for methods |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | omi: did you try dia yet? |
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| 04:07.29 | gteppel | My network is as follows: Cable Internet -> Debian Box -> DLink-624 (wireless) router. My ibook 64 can connect using wireless to the internet and its gateway is set to 192.168.0.1 (the default ip for my dlink router) however when i try to get to the management page by typing in 192.168.0.1 and I can't access the page and ping the router doesn't work either. What's happening?? |
| 04:07.33 | omi | abrotman: I was using dia, it has uml, but not bon |
| 04:07.45 | bolgar | psyl0n |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | omi: that's the only thing i can think tha tmight have it |
| 04:07.48 | bolgar | xP~ |
| 04:07.59 | psyl0n | bolgar pvt |
| 04:08.02 | bolgar | psyl0n aki entra gente dos eua pah? |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | !br |
| 04:08.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 04:08.35 | jshriver | thanks |
| 04:08.45 | psyl0n | sorry |
| 04:09.13 | bolgar | eehehe |
| 04:09.22 | bolgar | psyl0n what is your name? |
| 04:09.30 | psyl0n | _|_ |
| 04:10.07 | zebalin7 | Can someone explain something? k3b is not in testing because it is comiled against kde 3.5 and etch has 3.4. But there is an old package in 'snapshot' that is compiled against 3.4. So why doesn't etch have that one? Just don't understand. |
| 04:10.22 | omi | ok thanks |
| 04:10.30 | abrotman | zebalin7: possibly different version of C++ abi |
| 04:11.01 | cheal | zebalin7: because k3b wasn't in Etch when it was recompiled against the new dbus |
| 04:11.20 | mhall | zebalin7: bloody hell just use the one from stable and get on with life |
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| 04:11.29 | mhall | zebalin7: this is past the point of ridiculousness |
| 04:11.43 | abrotman | i say .. dump all that Qt/KDE stuff .. it's just no good |
| 04:11.48 | cheal | mhall: do you think stable's k3b would be installable on Etch? |
| 04:11.56 | zebalin7 | mhall: you got a problem, son? |
| 04:12.11 | mhall | zebalin7: you are overcomplicating the hell out of it |
| 04:12.17 | MrObvious | How do I configure X. |
| 04:12.19 | MrObvious | ? |
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| 04:12.20 | mhall | zebalin7: i mean, hell, toughen up and try mkisofs |
| 04:12.23 | abrotman | !drxx MrObvious |
| 04:12.24 | dpkg | MrObvious: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:12.25 | mhall | !tell MrObvious about drxx |
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| 04:13.00 | mhall | cheal: well it's hard to say |
| 04:13.13 | mhall | cheal: i imaging it would work except the C++ ABI is wrong |
| 04:13.23 | mhall | cheal: if it were a C app it would work |
| 04:13.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:13.38 | cheal | mhall: right, so it's not installable |
| 04:13.41 | mhall | zebalin7: really what you should do is build stable's version or unstable's version from source |
| 04:13.45 | abrotman | install gnome! |
| 04:13.49 | mhall | cheal: took me a second to figure it out in my head |
| 04:13.57 | cheal | mhall: that's not the suggested workaround |
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| 04:14.21 | mhall | cheal: the other factor is, the other day he mentioned using it to do backup |
| 04:14.29 | abrotman | i think i've stated the suggested work around quite a few times |
| 04:14.41 | mhall | cheal: which purpose is really better served by mkisofs, cdrecord, and growisofs, *not* k3b. |
| 04:14.54 | mhall | doing backups with a GUI tool is, uh, stupid |
| 04:15.00 | mhall | unless it's got a backup wizard |
| 04:15.04 | mhall | in which case it's still stupid |
| 04:15.23 | cheal | mhall: I don't know about backports. but he didn't even ask how he should get k3b on testing yet AFAICS |
| 04:15.33 | cheal | s/backports/that |
| 04:15.38 | cheal | stupid brain bugs |
| 04:15.38 | mhall | cheal: he's been doing the same shit for days now |
| 04:15.42 | mhall | cheal: it's very tiring |
| 04:15.55 | zebalin7 | I have about six folders I need to back-up. Been using k3b for years with no problem. |
| 04:16.02 | mhall | cheal: so i'll say anything that gets him up and running ASAP so i don't need to listen to it anymore |
| 04:16.08 | abrotman | doesn't arson work yet? |
| 04:16.08 | zebalin7 | mhall: try not to be an asshole ALL the time, ok? |
| 04:16.08 | cheal | mhall: I wish rsync had a GUI |
| 04:16.19 | mhall | zebalin7: use mkisofs and you can do it running one script once |
| 04:16.29 | mhall | zebalin7: i'm not one all the time, only to you |
| 04:16.30 | abrotman | cheal: write the KIO slave thingie |
| 04:17.05 | mhall | cheal: it's good for one-off stuff where you need to mess with specific files |
| 04:17.13 | mhall | cheal: but GUI is not so great for aggregate tasks |
| 04:17.19 | zebalin7 | mhall: you don't know the answers so instead you flame people. I'm not buying it. Others may. |
| 04:17.37 | cheal | abrotman: I wasn't aware there was such a thing. do you know the name (although that doesn't look quite like what I was looking for) |
| 04:17.45 | abrotman | !info arson etch |
| 04:17.52 | dpkg | arson: (KDE frontend for burning CDs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.9.8beta2-4.1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 515 kB, Installed size: 1536 kB |
| 04:18.07 | mhall | zebalin7: no actually i do know the answer |
| 04:18.14 | mhall | zebalin7: i had my shit going months ago |
| 04:18.21 | abrotman | cheal: the stupid thingies they write to make konq be able to do all kinds of stupid. things .. they're KIO slaves . or fish . or something like that |
| 04:18.34 | mhall | zebalin7: you are just sitting here whining the same tired whine day after day instead of doing something to fix your situation |
| 04:18.43 | zebalin7 | mhall: kma |
| 04:18.46 | cheal | abrotman: yeah, but which one is for rsync? |
| 04:18.59 | mhall | zebalin7: like, toughening up and using mkisofs (what doesn't kill you makes you stronger) or compiling from source |
| 04:19.00 | abrotman | cheal: ask #kde .. i know they exist .. i don't know which one does what |
| 04:19.21 | mhall | zebalin7: if you're using an unreleased version of debian and you can't compile k3b from source you should be drug out and shot |
| 04:19.28 | cheal | abrotman: hum OK, although I don't see the point of a rsync KIO |
| 04:19.31 | abrotman | cheal: i would imagine it exists .. rsync is a pretty simple thing compared to some of the other crazy/retarded things they do |
| 04:19.41 | zebalin7 | mhall: don't give me the debian party line about command line shit. I was using the command line in IBM OS MVT before you were born. |
| 04:20.04 | abrotman | zebalin7: try arson |
| 04:20.20 | Sonny | in the nvidia's driver installation page there are 4 methods to install it, which one is the more recomemdable |
| 04:20.20 | Sonny | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.28 | mhall | zebalin7: oh wow, ph34r yuo. you know how to use an obsolete operating system |
| 04:20.34 | cheal | abrotman: OK, I could see the point after all |
| 04:20.48 | cheal | Sonny: which installation page are you using? |
| 04:20.56 | vivid | cant i use still use i386 apps on an amd64? if so, how to i get apt to install the i386 version? |
| 04:20.56 | mhall | all hail zebalin7, master of everything, except for getting his head out of his butt and fixing his own shit |
| 04:20.57 | Sonny | cheal: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 04:21.00 | zebalin7 | abrotman: actually gnomebaker works well for my few files. I was just curious about the process of using backports. You got a few arrogant assholes here who are not happy with that. Maybe they will get over it. |
| 04:21.07 | cheal | !tell Sonny about ngd |
| 04:21.20 | cheal | Sonny: that one should answer the question |
| 04:21.29 | abrotman | zebalin7: gnomebaker works well IMO .. i'd like someone to mess with arson a bit and tell me how bad it is |
| 04:21.48 | zebalin7 | mhall: I've read your postings here, you don't know shit, everyone knows you don't know shit and if they are all convinced you do, well that's their problem. |
| 04:22.07 | mhall | zebalin7: well let's see who's more trustworthy |
| 04:22.24 | mhall | zebalin7: the guy who's used debian since 1998, helped users every day he could since then |
| 04:22.35 | zebalin7 | mhall: yeah, right. |
| 04:22.42 | abrotman | the solution: apt-get install gnome! |
| 04:22.44 | mhall | zebalin7: or the one who's in here for days in a row whining the same lazy whine instead of fixing his system quickly |
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| 04:23.18 | zebalin7 | mhall: you got a problem with me? Get over it. I'm not going to be bullied by an asshole kid like you. |
| 04:23.29 | valdyn | zebalin7: shut up |
| 04:23.35 | mhall | zebalin7: as if |
| 04:23.38 | abrotman | zebalin7: /ignore works wonders |
| 04:23.59 | zebalin7 | Forget it. I'll be back later when mhall goes to bed. |
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| 04:24.06 | abrotman | yeah . .me too! |
| 04:24.42 | x3n0 | Can someone help me with my kopete problem? |
| 04:24.45 | mhall | valdyn: thanks for the backup |
| 04:25.04 | mhall | x3n0: ask away, now that we don't have a cluttered channel from zebalin7's k3b whining :-) |
| 04:25.13 | x3n0 | =) |
| 04:25.25 | mhall | x3n0: i've only done a little with it but maybe i can get you started |
| 04:25.25 | x3n0 | I make a new user on Kopete and I try to login to the Freenode.net on IRC and all I get is "yo uare mnow marked as Offline' |
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| 04:25.38 | x3n0 | Essentially I cannot connect to Freenode.net |
| 04:25.44 | x3n0 | I tried one other place and it worked. |
| 04:25.47 | mhall | x3n0: hmm |
| 04:25.49 | x3n0 | (Random serveR) |
| 04:25.55 | mhall | x3n0: are any ports blocked? |
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| 04:26.08 | x3n0 | mhall: Fresh install of 3.1 nothing has been changed. |
| 04:26.09 | mhall | x3n0: is freenode.net preconfigured in kopete or did you have to put it there |
| 04:26.21 | mhall | x3n0: i mean, by something else, like a firewall |
| 04:26.27 | mhall | x3n0: my .edu sometimes blocks 6667 |
| 04:26.45 | mhall | i'm gonna test it right now too |
| 04:27.26 | x3n0 | mhall: I had top ut it htere. I do not believe I installed any firewalls |
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| 04:27.45 | mhall | x3n0: yeah i just wanted to check the obvious |
| 04:27.53 | mhall | x3n0: the 'is it plugged in' questions |
| 04:28.04 | mhall | 9/10 times that's what i mess up myself |
| 04:28.06 | x3n0 | mhall: I literally installed debian yesterday |
| 04:28.17 | x3n0 | mhall: Its connected to the internet, I browse sites 'n' such. |
| 04:28.20 | mhall | x3n0: well you are doing a good job |
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| 04:28.36 | mhall | x3n0: unlike zebalin7 who installed forever ago but can't do anything himself, hahaha |
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| 04:28.44 | x3n0 | mhall: reinstall I've been using debian for like 2 weeks ish |
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| 04:29.08 | mhall | x3n0: that's cool |
| 04:29.14 | x3n0 | mhall: I just added myself to sudoers list so I dont have to keep logging in as root, and I've been doing alot of sources.list editing |
| 04:29.22 | mhall | x3n0: i've used it forever, and switched my desktop 100% in august last year |
| 04:29.38 | mhall | x3n0: yeah sudo is a great tool, i use it to prevent mistakes |
| 04:29.50 | mhall | x3n0: and sources.list, yeah editing that happens a lot too for sure |
| 04:29.52 | x3n0 | mhall: I plan to get to that point. I want to get Wine and such going on it. |
| 04:29.57 | mhall | awesome |
| 04:30.04 | mhall | also there is the new vmware player |
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| 04:30.47 | mhall | alright i just got to looking at some of their server settings for freenode, x3n0, and some of them are sort of weird |
| 04:31.00 | mhall | i'm thinking maybe we'd better set up a different one by hand |
| 04:31.06 | mhall | to rule that out as a possible problem |
| 04:31.09 | mhall | you down with that? |
| 04:31.12 | x3n0 | ok |
| 04:31.16 | mhall | cool |
| 04:31.30 | x3n0 | rebooting the system |
| 04:31.32 | mhall | so set up a custom server irc.freenode.net port 6667 |
| 04:31.39 | mhall | reboot? what happened? |
| 04:31.52 | x3n0 | <-- used to use windows up until about 2 weeks ago |
| 04:32.06 | x3n0 | I installed some packages that didn't require reboot but I did anyways |
| 04:32.09 | x3n0 | just to rule that out too |
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| 04:32.19 | mhall | let's try it and reboot if it still messes up |
| 04:32.24 | x3n0 | ok |
| 04:32.28 | x3n0 | almost logged in |
| 04:32.32 | mhall | cool, np |
| 04:32.37 | jbroome | blis |
| 04:32.44 | jbroome | damn, wrong window. sorry |
| 04:32.48 | mhall | i just got out of bullshit class early so i'm not in much of a hurry |
| 04:32.52 | mhall | jbroome: was about to go ? |
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| 04:33.06 | jbroome | was trying to do a blist in my bitlbee window |
| 04:33.13 | mhall | what's bitlbee |
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| 04:33.18 | x3n0 | mhall: what would you like me to do? |
| 04:33.18 | diana | What is a good cli bittorrent client? |
| 04:33.25 | mhall | whoa weird |
| 04:33.33 | jbroome | mhall: it's an IM/IRC gateway |
| 04:33.34 | mhall | diana: yeah it's called btdownloadcurses.py |
| 04:33.43 | mhall | jbroome: yeah i saw the apt-cache of it, pretty wild |
| 04:33.56 | diana | thanks mhall |
| 04:34.07 | jbroome | i try to do as little outside of screen/irssi that i have to. :) |
| 04:34.19 | mhall | diana: also bittornado is supposed to come with a superior curses (text) client |
| 04:34.39 | mhall | diana: it and the original are in the bittornado and bittorrent packages respectively |
| 04:34.49 | streuner | diana: rtorrent is another option |
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| 04:34.53 | streuner | mhall: hi |
| 04:34.59 | x3n0 | mhall: what would you like me to do i am ready |
| 04:35.02 | mhall | diana: rtorrent - ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent |
| 04:35.06 | mhall | diana: that's another pick |
| 04:35.13 | jjazz | streuner: How doees rtorrent differ from bittornado? |
| 04:35.19 | mhall | x3n0: ok cool, so bring up the config screen |
| 04:35.25 | mhall | x3n0: then new account button |
| 04:35.30 | x3n0 | mhall: kopete config i assume? |
| 04:35.32 | mhall | x3n0: then irc |
| 04:35.35 | diana | streuner: I tried rtorrent not very good with the ncursess, kind of confusing interface. |
| 04:35.37 | mhall | x3n0: right, kopete config |
| 04:35.46 | x3n0 | mhall: ok |
| 04:36.02 | x3n0 | mhall: i am there |
| 04:36.04 | mhall | diana: then maybe the other two are better, btdownloadcurses.py is real simple |
| 04:36.06 | diana | btdownloadcurses looks the best |
| 04:36.06 | mhall | x3n0: ok cool |
| 04:36.08 | diana | very good |
| 04:36.23 | mhall | x3n0: new button on bottom left |
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| 04:37.13 | mhall | x3n0: then new on the right |
| 04:37.13 | mhall | irc.freenode.net |
| 04:37.45 | mhall | x3n0: then try connecting with this network that has this fixed server |
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| 04:37.51 | mhall | x3n0: and see if it plays nice this time |
| 04:38.06 | streuner | jjazz: well, bittornado never worked for me, so i have none experience at all. |
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| 04:38.58 | jjazz | streuner: thanks |
| 04:38.59 | mhall_ | !test |
| 04:38.59 | dpkg | Yes, mhall_, you're still online. |
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| 04:39.20 | mhall | x3n0: ok, seems to be working here |
| 04:39.35 | mhall | x3n0: so if you get it set up correctly on your end it should work but it could be kind of slow |
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| 04:40.00 | x3n0 | phone =slow |
| 04:40.47 | mhall | streuner: i used the gfx version of bittornado before |
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| 04:40.59 | mhall | streuner: since have switched to azureus because of some technical requirements |
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| 04:42.06 | mhall | damn, the channel overflows with backwards nicks |
| 04:42.19 | rohan | hi all .. is the debian ruby-on-rails manager out here ? |
| 04:42.21 | mhall | Ecnassianer, resiak, raseac, ... |
| 04:42.41 | mhall | !maint rails |
| 04:42.49 | rohan | adamn majar |
| 04:42.53 | dpkg | rails: Adam Majer <adamm@zombino.com> |
| 04:42.56 | rohan | errr.. adam majer |
| 04:42.59 | rohan | yes .. |
| 04:43.20 | rohan | i want to talk to him .. how to go about making a package for my own distribution -- arch linux. |
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| 04:43.43 | rohan | sad the fact that RoR does not provide easy - to - build source tarballs :( |
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| 04:43.49 | mhall | rohan: yeah sadly many fewer debian developers IRC these days than before |
| 04:43.56 | mhall | rohan: that's pretty crass of them |
| 04:44.07 | mhall | rohan: did you download the debian source archive yet? |
| 04:44.15 | rohan | mhall: yes, i did. |
| 04:44.21 | rohan | mhall: but that has no make system |
| 04:44.29 | mhall | rohan: what package management system does arch use, the unique pacman system right? |
| 04:44.34 | rohan | yes, mhall |
| 04:44.43 | mhall | rohan: actually it does, please look at the debian/rules file |
| 04:44.47 | rohan | but it is very easy to make packages .. so i was going to try. |
| 04:44.55 | rohan | mhall: and i find it difficuylt to understand the rules file :( |
| 04:44.57 | mhall | rohan: the binary rule references what rules are to be called to make the package |
| 04:45.05 | rohan | i will try again though :) |
| 04:45.14 | rohan | but first i need rake. :| |
| 04:45.17 | mhall | rohan: yes rules files are nontrivial sometimes because if the source is messed up, we have to work around it |
| 04:45.41 | rohan | and redcloth .. eww... rails is a dependency hell. |
| 04:45.42 | mhall | rohan: is that a pun because asians don't say 'r' ? |
| 04:45.48 | mhall | rohan: it's a real bad pun |
| 04:46.00 | x3n0 | mhall: when i'm in the create new network it wont allow me to make another 'irc.freenode.net' says there is one already |
| 04:46.22 | rohan | mhall: rake is a dependency. http://pdo.debian.net/unstable/web/rails |
| 04:46.25 | mhall | x3n0: you have to hit new on the left to make a new network |
| 04:46.45 | mhall | rohan: right i understand, i was trying to figure out what the name came from based on its package description |
| 04:46.51 | mhall | rohan: rake - a ruby build program |
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| 04:47.15 | rohan | mhall: maybe rake == ruby make ? |
| 04:47.17 | mhall | rohan: ours depends on Depends: ruby, ruby1.8 (>= 1.8.2-3), rake, rdoc (>> 1.8.2), libpgsql-ruby1.8 | libmysql-ruby1.8 | libdbi-ruby1.8, libredcloth-ruby1.8 |
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| 04:47.31 | mhall | rohan: and suggests Suggests: libapache2-mod-ruby | libapache-mod-ruby | libapache2-mod-fcgid |
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| 04:47.44 | mhall | rohan: that's a lot of pretty weird libraries |
| 04:47.49 | rohan | forget the suggests .. |
| 04:47.50 | rohan | .. |
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| 04:48.01 | mhall | rohan: but they seem kind of important? |
| 04:48.04 | rohan | yes, mhall .. wish arch provided ruby themselves :( |
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| 04:48.18 | mhall | rohan: well they can't until you get it running ;-) |
| 04:48.26 | rohan | mhall: well.. if debian "suggests" them, maybe i can make do without them ? |
| 04:48.34 | mhall | x3n0: and it gives it a default name that you can change |
| 04:48.36 | Alakazam | hi, im trying to install my graphics card drivers and im getting "ERROR: Module intel_agp is in use". What init can i drop to in order for it to compile and release that module? |
| 04:48.54 | mhall | rohan: i'm not sure, you'd have to see what the ruby project page says about which functions need those libs |
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| 04:49.13 | rohan | ah, ok, mhall |
| 04:49.19 | rohan | thanks for the help :) |
| 04:49.36 | mhall | rohan: yes good luck on your search, and email our maintainer for some ideas |
| 04:49.38 | x3n0 | mhall: I do hit new on the left |
| 04:49.48 | mhall | rohan: most of them take a while to get back to you but are nice when they do |
| 04:49.57 | rohan | ok.. i use deb sid anyway, so if i urgently need rails i can just reboot :) |
| 04:50.03 | mhall | x3n0: right then go over, hit new on the right, and put in the server |
| 04:50.06 | Alakazam | anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:50.09 | mhall | rohan: yeah it seems to be ready to go on sid |
| 04:50.19 | mhall | Alakazam: working on typing it out please be patient |
| 04:50.32 | rohan | mhall: yeah. i tested it. just works. like everything else on debian :) |
| 04:50.35 | mhall | Alakazam: ok so the way i see it you are setting up updated version |
| 04:50.40 | mhall | rohan: lol, yes, that's debian |
| 04:50.55 | Alakazam | mhall, i dont believe it was ever implemented. |
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| 04:51.01 | mhall | Alakazam: and it wants to reinsert the module so you get the latest version of stuff in the module |
| 04:51.07 | Alakazam | im trying to install dri-intel. |
| 04:51.09 | diana | Is the IT Crowd free to download...or is it illegal..because there is a bittorrent link on digg's website for it.(not that I care, I'm just curious) |
| 04:51.11 | mhall | Alakazam: and then it's not happening because the module is in use |
| 04:51.15 | Alakazam | Correct. |
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| 04:51.31 | x3n0 | mhall: ok got it now trying to connect |
| 04:51.33 | sanmarcos | does svn allow the removal of directories and the renaming of files? |
| 04:51.38 | mhall | Alakazam: so the trick is to make sure nothing like X or 3D stuff is running |
| 04:51.38 | diana | I want to know if I can tell my teachers to download it. |
| 04:51.42 | mhall | Alakazam: then try rmmod'ing it as root |
| 04:51.47 | mhall | diana: IT Crowd? |
| 04:51.52 | Alakazam | okay, ty |
| 04:51.54 | Alakazam | let me try that. |
| 04:51.58 | mhall | Alakazam: then try whatever step is making the failure |
| 04:51.59 | mhall | fuck |
| 04:52.01 | mhall | he left |
| 04:52.15 | mhall | x3n0: ok cool, let's see what it does |
| 04:52.21 | x3n0 | mhall: same failure |
| 04:52.44 | mhall | x3n0: ok down in bottom right, right click icon for irc and join a channel |
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| 04:53.07 | x3n0 | want me to join #debian? |
| 04:53.29 | jtacy | sanmarcos: sure, svn should be fine with that |
| 04:53.44 | x3n0 | mhall: same problem |
| 04:53.44 | sanmarcos | jtacy: but not cvs right? |
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| 04:54.08 | mhall | x3n0: what version have you got of kopete |
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| 04:54.23 | mhall | 20:42 -!- mhall_ [n=mhall@uop-12-153.pacific.edu] has left #debian ["Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org"] |
| 04:54.26 | mhall | 20:42 -!- mhall_ [n=mhall@uop-12-153.pacific.edu] has left #debian ["Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org"] |
| 04:54.32 | mhall | oops shit sorry |
| 04:54.35 | jtacy | sanmarcos: right, because cvs tracks revisions by file name so it gets screwy when you change the file name |
| 04:54.48 | mhall | x3n0: looks like i have 0.11.1 |
| 04:54.49 | Sonny | cheal, the question is still the same: which method is better to install nvidia driver?: 1. use module assistant, 2.install pre-built module, 3.build manually, with a stock kernel or 4. build manually with custom kernel |
| 04:54.57 | x3n0 | 4.3.3.2-5 |
| 04:55.02 | mhall | x3n0: hmm |
| 04:55.20 | mhall | 4:3.3.2-5 me too |
| 04:55.22 | mhall | and it works |
| 04:55.29 | Nopalin | hi, anyone knows about an application for 3d acceleration by software? |
| 04:55.39 | mhall | so, let's see, you made new irc network, with one server irc.freenode.net 6667 no ssl |
| 04:55.47 | mhall | try changing port to 6666 |
| 04:56.00 | x3n0 | ok |
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| 04:56.31 | mhall | x3n0: you might have to switch to xchat or irssi |
| 04:56.36 | Sonny | hi which method is better to install nvidia driver?: 1. use module assistant, 2.install pre-built module, 3.build manually, with a stock kernel or 4. build manually with custom kernel |
| 04:56.42 | mhall | x3n0: they also performan faster and are easier to use |
| 04:56.46 | mhall | !tell Sonny about repeat |
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| 04:56.56 | mhall | Sonny: we can't type that fast; hold your horses |
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| 04:57.17 | mhall | _xeno: can you read this? |
| 04:57.18 | Sonny | mhall, I repeated because it was for cheal, but he appears to be away... |
| 04:57.22 | _xeno | yeah |
| 04:57.30 | _xeno | i'm not using kopete |
| 04:57.33 | mhall | ah ok |
| 04:57.34 | _xeno | i'm using 'ckonqere |
| 04:57.39 | _xeno | kommunicator' |
| 04:57.39 | Sonny | mhall, the second one was for everyone here |
| 04:57.57 | mhall | Sonny: yeah people will answer even if it's not aimed to them |
| 04:58.03 | Sonny | ok |
| 04:58.07 | mhall | Sonny: in any event, there is a lot of debate about this topic |
| 04:59.15 | mhall | Sonny: i just had the bot send you the easiest way to try first if you have a debian kernel |
| 04:59.26 | mhall | Sonny: you can't installed prebuilts on debian |
| 04:59.30 | mhall | Sonny: so (2) is out |
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| 04:59.46 | mhall | Sonny: if you're going to do (3) you might as well do (4) |
| 04:59.59 | mhall | Sonny: but (1) is most popular as long as debian kernel works on your box |
| 05:00.49 | Sonny | mhall, I have linux-image-2.6.12-1-smp, so its a stock kernel right? So (1) is the one for me? |
| 05:01.03 | x3n0 | mhall: doing 6666 did nothihng |
| 05:01.45 | mhall | x3n0: yeah that's kind of odd |
| 05:02.04 | mhall | x3n0: one thing, what are you doing to try to hook up to the irc server |
| 05:02.18 | mhall | x3n0: and what settings did you use for nick, backup nick, user, and fullname |
| 05:02.24 | x3n0 | just random stuff |
| 05:02.26 | x3n0 | just like |
| 05:02.27 | x3n0 | ahlihgla |
| 05:02.28 | mhall | Sonny: yeah that's stock, so use the oneliner |
| 05:02.28 | x3n0 | nblivbhi |
| 05:02.29 | x3n0 | hrtljh |
| 05:02.31 | Tchiak | anyone know where the files are for doing a debian net install via floppy drive are? |
| 05:02.40 | mhall | x3n0: well try some more predictable values |
| 05:02.51 | mhall | x3n0: like _x3n0 __x3n0 and ___x3n0 |
| 05:03.12 | mhall | x3n0: then rightclick irc icon in main kopete win and hit connect |
| 05:03.32 | x3n0 | freenode.net/ |
| 05:03.36 | x3n0 | right |
| 05:03.37 | mhall | *not* connect, but *online* |
| 05:04.04 | mhall | i want to eliminate as many points of failure as i can |
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| 05:04.19 | x3n0 | freenode.net not .com right? |
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| 05:04.29 | mhall | irc.freenode.net |
| 05:04.39 | x3n0 | thx |
| 05:04.59 | Sonny | mhall, that's it?..... It's a little bit shorter than the steps in the web page! |
| 05:06.03 | x3n0 | mhall: doing that now |
| 05:06.10 | mhall | Sonny: it should work, quite a lot of people have tested it |
| 05:06.20 | x3n0 | same problem |
| 05:06.27 | mhall | x3n0: no error message? |
| 05:06.34 | x3n0 | "you are not marked as offline |
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| 05:06.41 | mhall | x3n0: try starting it from in an X terminal window |
| 05:06.49 | Sonny | let me try |
| 05:06.53 | mhall | x3n0: see if you get some errors in the X terminal screen |
| 05:06.53 | x3n0 | NOTICE from : *** Looking for your hostname |
| 05:07.01 | x3n0 | NOTICE from : *** Found your hostname, welcome back |
| 05:07.07 | x3n0 | NOTICE from : *** Checking ident |
| 05:07.13 | x3n0 | You are now marked as offline |
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| 05:07.27 | mhall | x3n0: can't paste in here, you will get canned if it's too many lines |
| 05:07.39 | x3n0 | i was typing it |
| 05:07.40 | x3n0 | :) |
| 05:07.46 | mhall | damn you are hard core |
| 05:07.53 | x3n0 | 120wpm at best |
| 05:07.58 | mhall | no kidding |
| 05:08.23 | x3n0 | People go 'Omfg wtf it is like a machine gun!' |
| 05:08.23 | mhall | x3n0: no wonder you are good with debian, you type like a meth fiend |
| 05:08.26 | x3n0 | cause I like the loud keyboards |
| 05:08.35 | x3n0 | mhall: lol |
| 05:08.41 | mhall | x3n0: they are like zOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!1111111 |
| 05:08.49 | x3n0 | Lol. |
| 05:08.50 | x3n0 | bbq |
| 05:09.04 | mhall | x3n0: and you're like, roflcopter |
| 05:09.08 | x3n0 | lol |
| 05:09.16 | x3n0 | the more you talk the younger i think yo uare lol |
| 05:09.33 | mhall | x3n0: my bitches, they be producin' enuff blow for me to be livin' large n shiiiiiiyt! |
| 05:09.38 | x3n0 | lol |
| 05:09.46 | x3n0 | ctrl-c ctrl-v yall |
| 05:09.54 | mhall | actually i'm a 22 year old university student |
| 05:09.59 | mhall | i'm just goofy |
| 05:10.17 | x3n0 | haha |
| 05:10.18 | x3n0 | i'm 21 |
| 05:10.23 | mhall | i talk like this in real life, a mix of parody jive statements with long winded esoteric rants using large words |
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| 05:10.40 | x3n0 | Like 'Zomgwtfbbq?!' ? |
| 05:10.46 | mhall | people get very confused and they think i'm posing but i don't prevaricate |
| 05:10.54 | mhall | x3n0: that only works on the intarweb |
| 05:11.01 | x3n0 | lol |
| 05:11.01 | slapin | Hi all!!! Could anyone explain me about windows way on pptp. I try to give it static routes, like MS RAS can do via MS DHCP options, is it possible to do the same in Linux? |
| 05:11.12 | KerPlunk | I have a meeting tomorrow..and I also have a mic...what can I apt-get that I can use to record me talking with the mic at the meeting?(I use testing) |
| 05:11.28 | x3n0 | bahhahaha |
| 05:12.08 | mhall | x3n0: more like, "matt you nasty ass nigga! you the only mothafucker i know who could fuck up they own school work by not doin they homework! youse off the hook! of all the mothafuckers on earth you the mothafuckest" etc |
| 05:12.22 | x3n0 | fo-shizzle |
| 05:12.29 | mhall | x3n0: mos def |
| 05:12.37 | x3n0 | w3rd up |
| 05:12.53 | mhall | slapin: ok, pptp is kind of complicated because any traffic sent onto the gateway host is not encrypted |
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| 05:13.02 | mhall | slapin: only traffic sent through the gateway host |
| 05:13.11 | mhall | slapin: so you need to be careful about what you are doing |
| 05:13.19 | mhall | x3n0: word is bond, dogg |
| 05:13.43 | x3n0 | whats splpain sayin? |
| 05:13.59 | mhall | slapin: this is because you have to have a route set up for the pptp'd packets to traverse |
| 05:14.21 | mhall | slapin: but this route also prevents encryption of endpoint<->endpoint packets |
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| 05:14.49 | mhall | slapin: the only way it can work is endpoint<->gateway_server<->other_host, where gateway_server != other_host |
| 05:14.57 | _xeno | wooo |
| 05:15.02 | mhall | KerPlunk: hmm let's see |
| 05:15.05 | mhall | _xeno: yoyo |
| 05:15.20 | x3n0 | lol crap |
| 05:15.42 | KerPlunk | mhall: I want to record it into ogg format if possible. |
| 05:15.44 | x3n0 | mhall: i saw "_xeno: yoyo" and said 'wtf i swear i thought i typed 'woo' " |
| 05:15.54 | mhall | x3n0: yhbt yhl hand |
| 05:15.56 | mhall | x3n0: ;-) |
| 05:16.08 | x3n0 | .... |
| 05:16.11 | x3n0 | stop speaking gh3y |
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| 05:16.29 | mhall | x3n0: that's not gh3y |
| 05:16.31 | mhall | !gay |
| 05:16.32 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 05:16.58 | mhall | KerPlunk: metacity is the canonical sound editing app |
| 05:17.08 | mhall | KerPlunk: so this is one possibility |
| 05:17.16 | x3n0 | !stfu |
| 05:17.17 | dpkg | somebody said stfu was Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 05:17.21 | mhall | KerPlunk: i assume you have a 1 ghz or up cpu to do the realtime encode |
| 05:17.49 | mhall | x3n0: you could be nicer to somebody that tries to help you solve a problem |
| 05:18.02 | KerPlunk | mhall: Isn't metacity a window manager? |
| 05:18.05 | amphi | mhall: audacity, shurely |
| 05:18.07 | KerPlunk | mhall: Did you mean audacity maybe? |
| 05:18.12 | mhall | yes |
| 05:18.15 | mhall | !dunce mhall |
| 05:18.18 | KerPlunk | mhall: yea, I got a nice system. |
| 05:18.22 | mhall | !idiot mhall |
| 05:18.24 | x3n0 | mhall: I would be nice if the person *did* solve the problem |
| 05:18.25 | amphi | !pal mhall |
| 05:18.25 | x3n0 | jk |
| 05:18.28 | KerPlunk | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 05:18.28 | mhall | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 05:18.37 | x3n0 | !lame |
| 05:18.37 | dpkg | methinks lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 05:18.45 | mhall | x3n0: lol wtfpwnt |
| 05:18.53 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 05:18.55 | x3n0 | Did you just wiff a punt? |
| 05:18.57 | mhall | KerPlunk: :-) |
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| 05:19.10 | Alakazam | mike@malakai:~$ glxinfo |grep rend |
| 05:19.12 | Alakazam | direct rendering: Yes |
| 05:19.14 | Alakazam | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G 20050225 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 05:19.16 | Alakazam | i am god |
| 05:19.16 | mhall | KerPlunk: can audacity do the job? |
| 05:19.18 | Alakazam | hah! |
| 05:19.19 | mhall | Alakazam: sweet |
| 05:19.35 | mhall | Alakazam: so it played nice once you quit X and removed the module or what did you do |
| 05:19.44 | mhall | Alakazam: i'll keep it on file for future reference |
| 05:19.46 | Alakazam | no, it didnt... |
| 05:19.47 | KerPlunk | mhall: I dunno maybe. |
| 05:20.00 | Alakazam | i had to drop to single user, add it to /etc/modules |
| 05:20.05 | mhall | KerPlunk: also, pdo.debian.net's online to replace packages.debian.org |
| 05:20.12 | Alakazam | add agpgart |
| 05:20.13 | KerPlunk | mhall: I wanted to test this out...then maybe setup mics at my lug and broadcast an ogg stream with icecast2. |
| 05:20.13 | mhall | KerPlunk: so you could poke around there |
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| 05:20.19 | x3n0 | Does Debian's amd64 package take advantage of the 64bit processor? |
| 05:20.20 | mhall | Alakazam: damn, that's a pain |
| 05:20.23 | Alakazam | reboot, edit XFree86 |
| 05:20.31 | mhall | x3n0: there's a special version of debian for it |
| 05:20.31 | Alakazam | yeah it is, but its working now. |
| 05:20.36 | KerPlunk | x3n0: yes |
| 05:20.37 | Alakazam | Intel's obviously idiots. |
| 05:20.37 | mhall | x3n0: but openoffice and flash don't work |
| 05:20.46 | x3n0 | mhall: define 'dont work' |
| 05:20.51 | Alakazam | why they though you could rmmod a module thats in use us beyond me. |
| 05:21.07 | mhall | x3n0: like, you can't run em cause openoffice code is not yet 64 bit safe |
| 05:21.12 | Govannon | good morning. which filetype do i have to format a partition that windows xp can read it? i thought/want FAT32. i tryed W95 FAT32 (LBA) and W95 FAT32. xp always asks me to format it. but only allows me to choose NTFS. |
| 05:21.17 | mhall | x3n0: and flash is nonfree binary with no 64 bit version |
| 05:21.27 | mhall | x3n0: nvidia and ati support them so video works |
| 05:21.35 | mhall | x3n0: wireless mostly works if your card is not sux |
| 05:21.38 | amphi | Govannon: vfat should do |
| 05:21.39 | Alakazam | ati and nvidia is cake compared to that. |
| 05:22.10 | _xeno | hmm |
| 05:22.11 | mhall | Govannon: yeah here is the trick |
| 05:22.20 | mhall | Govannon: you have got to format it yourself |
| 05:22.27 | _xeno | so is there a way to 'trick' openoffice to run the processor at 32bit? |
| 05:22.36 | mhall | Govannon: because M$ removed support for formatting most volumes into this mode |
| 05:22.44 | mhall | _xeno: yeah it's a pain in the ass but it can be done |
| 05:22.54 | mhall | _xeno: same is also true for flash |
| 05:22.55 | Alakazam | Debian is freakin nice, im loving it. |
| 05:22.57 | Alakazam | thus far... |
| 05:23.04 | bucky | _xeno, OOo runs fine in the 32 bit chroot |
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| 05:23.12 | mhall | Govannon: if you format it yourself from linux it will work fine |
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| 05:23.29 | bucky | _xeno, https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 05:23.35 | mhall | _xeno: my 64 is still running 32 until they fix openoffice |
| 05:23.50 | Govannon | mhall: yes. i formated with fsdisk /dev/hdb and tryed the both FAT32 - but xp doesn't want it. |
| 05:23.55 | _xeno | So I'm lost |
| 05:24.00 | bucky | my OOo 2.0 runs great |
| 05:24.08 | amphi | Govannon: you need to do mkfs -t vfat /dev/whatever |
| 05:24.11 | _xeno | How do you say 'run in 32bit' to a 64bit processor? |
| 05:24.52 | micahf | hey guys |
| 05:24.55 | bucky | _xeno, you read the howto ^^ |
| 05:24.56 | amphi | Govannon: to actually create the FAT32 fs on the partition |
| 05:25.03 | _xeno | bucky: : you are no fun :( |
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| 05:26.13 | opc0de | hey can anyone tell me what the best way of disabling a package is? update-rc.d <package> remove? |
| 05:26.15 | Govannon | amphi: mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 05:26.15 | Govannon | mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/hdb' (use -I if wanted) |
| 05:26.29 | micahf | any ideas on why I'm getting "network unreachable" or "destination host unreachable" when I have DHCP working and have an assigned IP address? |
| 05:26.34 | mhall | Govannon: fdisk *doesn't* format, it partitions |
| 05:26.37 | micahf | I can't even ping the router with a static IP |
| 05:26.40 | amphi | Govannon: hdb is an entire disk, not a partition |
| 05:26.46 | opc0de | micahf: you're routes aren't set up properly? |
| 05:26.54 | opc0de | maybe you don't have a default gw |
| 05:26.59 | mhall | Govannon: then XP says it's not formatted and will only let you format as NTFS because VFAT format support was removed |
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| 05:27.05 | mhall | Govannon: however read support was not |
| 05:27.12 | micahf | I added one and it said "file already exists" or something |
| 05:27.17 | mhall | Govannon: so read and write works just not format |
| 05:27.22 | mhall | Govannon: M$ is stupid |
| 05:27.34 | Govannon | amphi: ok. i'll try to sort this out. thank you |
| 05:27.57 | amphi | Govannon: which partition is it? |
| 05:28.03 | mhall | micahf: ok, route -n will show you already have a wrong route |
| 05:28.13 | mhall | micahf: which you are to delete with route del default |
| 05:28.25 | mhall | micahf: which you may then now replace with a correct one |
| 05:28.36 | micahf | wow, it says nothing when I do route -n |
| 05:28.44 | mhall | micahf: ok, there are no routes |
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| 05:29.01 | Govannon | amphi: its the hdb1 |
| 05:29.04 | mhall | micahf: this means you have no net interfaces with addresses assigned |
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| 05:29.17 | micahf | yea it stopped working |
| 05:29.20 | micahf | it goes off and on |
| 05:29.29 | micahf | now ifconfig shows no address |
| 05:29.29 | mhall | micahf: because otherwise you'd have like a 10.x.x.x route, 192.168.x.x route, or 172.x.x.x route |
| 05:29.40 | Alakazam | oh man |
| 05:29.46 | mhall | Alakazam: ? |
| 05:29.47 | Alakazam | you know you're in deep crap when you call tech support, they ask "What OS are you using?" you reply "Linux." and they respond "Is that a browser?" |
| 05:29.50 | _xeno | there's no place like 1.0.0.127 |
| 05:29.52 | mhall | Alakazam: :-D |
| 05:29.55 | _xeno | 10* |
| 05:30.02 | Alakazam | _xeno, there's no place like localhost? |
| 05:30.11 | Alakazam | Howabout "there's no place lke ~/" |
| 05:30.11 | micahf | localhost isn't there |
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| 05:30.15 | mhall | _xeno: 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa is a good place to be |
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| 05:31.01 | micahf | hmmm |
| 05:31.06 | mhall | i wonder if i can get lilo to give me a funny cloak |
| 05:31.09 | micahf | when I do ifconfig, it shows an address |
| 05:31.18 | micahf | but when I do route -n, there is nothing at all |
| 05:31.22 | mhall | like n=mhall@socratic/heckler |
| 05:31.24 | micahf | other than the table headers |
| 05:31.33 | _xeno | there is no place like home luzr |
| 05:31.38 | Govannon | amphi: so i have to mkfs -t /dev/hdb1 and than i have to fsdisk /dev/hdb right? but W95 FAT32 (LBA) is the right FS? |
| 05:31.40 | mhall | micahf: odd maybe it got deleted, can you down and up the interface |
| 05:31.48 | gteppel | I have a debian/stable box running as gateway router w/ DHCP,IPTables Firewall, and SAMBA. I'm constantly getting this error "ISP IP sent an invalid ICMP Type 3, code 3 error to a broadcast ISP IP" Any idea what is going on? |
| 05:31.49 | mhall | _xeno: hey at least i got my software working |
| 05:31.56 | _xeno | <-- on debian too |
| 05:31.57 | mhall | _xeno: that makes me a winner by comparison :-D |
| 05:31.58 | micahf | with ifup or ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 05:32.08 | _xeno | mhall: <-- r t3h winnar too |
| 05:32.28 | Govannon | amphi: vfat is missing somewhere... ;) i'll see what i'll get. thank you. |
| 05:32.29 | amphi | Govannon: you probably want to use cfdisk; that only sets the partition _type_ |
| 05:32.30 | mhall | gteppel: ethereal and tcpdump |
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| 05:32.40 | Govannon | amphi: ;) ok |
| 05:32.42 | gteppel | mhall: okay |
| 05:32.47 | mhall | Govannon: cfdisk doesn't format either |
| 05:32.56 | mhall | gteppel: have a look at what you are getting sent |
| 05:33.05 | mhall | gteppel: try ethereal with filter rule icmp |
| 05:33.07 | Govannon | amphi: hmmm |
| 05:33.12 | mhall | gteppel: on the appropriate net interface |
| 05:33.21 | mhall | gteppel: that should give you a start anyhow |
| 05:33.24 | micahf | ahhh |
| 05:33.28 | amphi | Govannon: apt-get install dosfstools for mkfs.vfat |
| 05:33.29 | micahf | the destination is wrong |
| 05:33.44 | _xeno | So how would I compile a package? |
| 05:33.52 | micahf | it says "192.168.0.1" and my router is at 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:33.54 | mhall | !b-e _xeno |
| 05:33.54 | dpkg | _xeno: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 05:33.59 | micahf | in route -n |
| 05:34.00 | mhall | !tell _xeno about source |
| 05:34.10 | _xeno | !tell mhall thank you |
| 05:34.15 | amphi | Govannon: 'W95 FAT32 (LBA)' is probably an ok partition type |
| 05:34.28 | mhall | _xeno: those two info bits will get you started |
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| 05:36.03 | mhall | Govannon: yeah amphi is right about that part. type. i just checked and i used it before and it worked |
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| 05:36.52 | _xeno | mhall: it is thx |
| 05:36.55 | Govannon | mhall: ok. i ll try it, maybe later. got to go to work now. cu thx |
| 05:37.13 | _xeno | mhall: the program i'm trying to work out is like 13.3mb of source into 200mb of program |
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| 05:37.27 | mhall | _xeno: haha that happens sometimes |
| 05:37.36 | Alakazam | mhall, whats the name for debian unstable. |
| 05:37.40 | Alakazam | or "beta" |
| 05:37.41 | mhall | Alakazam: sid |
| 05:37.42 | amphi | sid |
| 05:37.44 | Alakazam | ty |
| 05:37.48 | mhall | yw |
| 05:38.02 | mhall | quiet tonite |
| 05:38.05 | _xeno | mhall: lol dling the 13.3mb source and i was getting +600kB/sec download and then its like 'OMFG NO SLOW! 15kB/sec dl |
| 05:38.15 | mhall | _xeno: what the cra |
| 05:38.17 | mhall | _xeno: what the crap |
| 05:38.42 | Alakazam | know where i can get the sources.list for sid? |
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| 05:38.54 | mhall | Alakazam: it's pretty easy to switch over |
| 05:39.03 | Alakazam | yea |
| 05:39.04 | mhall | Alakazam: but you need to be careful it's fuckin radioactive |
| 05:39.08 | Alakazam | lol |
| 05:39.10 | Alakazam | how so |
| 05:39.13 | mhall | Alakazam: and i don't want you bustin up your shit |
| 05:39.20 | Alakazam | i like bustin it up |
| 05:39.23 | Alakazam | lol |
| 05:39.27 | mhall | Alakazam: a lot of stuff can go wrong and if you're new it could be a pain to fix |
| 05:39.32 | Alakazam | im not new |
| 05:39.39 | Alakazam | im pretty good @ this |
| 05:39.39 | mhall | make sure you install in different part or drive |
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| 05:39.46 | mhall | !tell Alakazam about unstable |
| 05:39.50 | Alakazam | ty |
| 05:40.03 | mhall | alright the change you make is about like this |
| 05:40.15 | mhall | #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 05:40.26 | mhall | #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:40.37 | mhall | see the difference |
| 05:40.38 | Alakazam | so unstable > Sarge |
| 05:40.49 | mhall | no sarge is stable |
| 05:40.54 | Alakazam | no |
| 05:40.57 | mhall | unstable is sid or unstable |
| 05:41.00 | _xeno | mhall: how can i find a particular dependency? |
| 05:41.03 | Alakazam | change sarge to unstable |
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| 05:41.16 | mhall | _xeno: apt-get build-depend <source package name> will get it for you |
| 05:41.26 | mhall | _xeno: *get all of it for you* |
| 05:41.33 | mhall | Alakazam: right |
| 05:41.39 | _xeno | hall: invalid 'build-depend' |
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| 05:41.55 | EdLin | _xeno: build-dep |
| 05:41.59 | mhall | _xeno: oops my fuckup 'build-dep' |
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| 05:42.00 | _xeno | EdLin: thanks |
| 05:42.08 | _xeno | mhall: "Unable ot find source packge' |
| 05:42.18 | mhall | _xeno: name's not quite right |
| 05:42.25 | Alakazam | yay |
| 05:42.26 | mhall | _xeno: get the name off the dir it unpacked into |
| 05:42.29 | Alakazam | After unpacking 143MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 05:42.39 | mhall | Alakazam: did you apt-get update |
| 05:42.45 | mhall | Alakazam: and dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:43.05 | mhall | _xeno: if the name's not quite right it will bitch you out as you saw |
| 05:43.29 | _xeno | mhall: couldn't find 2 packages and i typed 'em right |
| 05:43.30 | Alakazam | dist-upgrade |
| 05:43.34 | Alakazam | i should just upgrade eh |
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| 05:44.55 | _xeno | Alakazam: I did update and nothing still unable to find source package for it |
| 05:45.03 | _xeno | fglrx-driver-dev |
| 05:45.04 | _xeno | and |
| 05:45.10 | _xeno | nvidia-driver-dev |
| 05:45.12 | _xeno | er |
| 05:45.17 | _xeno | nvidia-glx-dev |
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| 05:46.33 | Alakazam | yea |
| 05:46.49 | Alakazam | i smell the return of FreeBSD coming on |
| 05:46.50 | _xeno | Alakazam: Any suggestions/. |
| 05:46.50 | Alakazam | heh |
| 05:46.57 | Alakazam | i just started using debian today man |
| 05:47.01 | mayang | hai |
| 05:47.28 | Alakazam | google search for them |
| 05:47.31 | Alakazam | and dpkg them |
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| 05:48.49 | netman_ | hello somebody have problem with ati radeon xpress 200m and usb ports |
| 05:48.52 | mhall | those are proprietary |
| 05:49.00 | mhall | !tell _xeno about contrib |
| 05:49.03 | mhall | !tell _xeno about non-free |
| 05:49.19 | Alakazam | !tell alakazam about contrib |
| 05:49.25 | Alakazam | !tell alakazam about non-free |
| 05:49.58 | EdLin | Alakazam: try /msg dpkg topic |
| 05:50.11 | Alakazam | ty |
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| 05:51.54 | Alakazam | !tell alakazam topic |
| 05:52.07 | Alakazam | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.29 | EdLin | Alakazam: replace "topic" with whatever you want to see |
| 05:52.29 | jjazz | !tell Alakazam about selftell |
| 05:52.52 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 05:52.53 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 05:52.55 | Alakazam | aaah |
| 05:52.57 | Alakazam | ok thanks |
| 05:53.09 | EdLin | np |
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| 05:53.51 | _xeno | pkg://nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.7174-3_i386.deb:122812/ |
| 05:53.54 | _xeno | so what do i do with that link? |
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| 05:54.31 | _xeno | mhall: ? |
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| 05:56.32 | _xeno | Alakazam: Any suggestins? |
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| 05:57.06 | Alakazam | dpkg -i nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.7174-3_i386.deb |
| 05:57.06 | bushito | when i take a picture with x screenshot how can i save it?, or how can i take a screenie?? |
| 05:57.50 | _xeno | Alakazam: How do I get the file tho? |
| 05:58.00 | micahf_ | I will trade someone motherboards |
| 05:58.05 | micahf_ | mine sucks for linux |
| 05:58.08 | micahf_ | any takers? |
| 05:58.18 | _xeno | Alakazam: nevermind i had a dumb-streak |
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| 05:59.33 | Alakazam | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.7667-3_i386.deb |
| 05:59.49 | Alakazam | micahf_, what kind do you have. |
| 06:00.13 | micahf_ | RS480-M |
| 06:00.16 | micahf_ | ATI controllers |
| 06:00.21 | micahf_ | from ECS |
| 06:00.49 | Alakazam | sorry, ive got a P4 3.2Ghz |
| 06:00.50 | Alakazam | :( |
| 06:01.00 | Alakazam | i wouldn't trade an Intel for an ECS board anyway |
| 06:01.01 | Alakazam | lol |
| 06:01.07 | micahf_ | :D |
| 06:01.16 | micahf_ | I'm probably going to be forced to buy a new board here |
| 06:01.24 | micahf_ | had no idea that ATI sucked so much on linux |
| 06:01.32 | Alakazam | why does it suck so much |
| 06:02.30 | Azar | I use VIA chipset with nVidia GeForce and works like a charm on any OS |
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| 06:02.56 | micahf_ | yea I bought a GeForce because the ATI integrated graphics simply was not working out |
| 06:03.07 | Alakazam | it'll work |
| 06:03.08 | micahf_ | turns out that wasn't the only issue |
| 06:03.10 | Alakazam | yall just arent working it. |
| 06:03.25 | micahf_ | well I'd love someone to do it for me |
| 06:03.32 | micahf_ | I spend hours on this garbage |
| 06:03.39 | micahf_ | I can't even get the network to go |
| 06:03.40 | Alakazam | i'll do it. |
| 06:03.42 | Alakazam | for $20 |
| 06:03.44 | Alakazam | :) |
| 06:03.46 | micahf_ | :D |
| 06:03.52 | Alakazam | i'll do it for free. |
| 06:03.57 | micahf_ | I just scrapped a working gentoo install to put on debian |
| 06:03.58 | micahf_ | nope |
| 06:04.05 | micahf_ | debian can't get DHCP |
| 06:04.12 | Alakazam | its your nic. |
| 06:04.14 | Alakazam | not debian |
| 06:04.15 | Alakazam | ;)\ |
| 06:04.21 | micahf_ | oh, ok sorry |
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| 06:04.30 | Alakazam | what kinda nic do you have. |
| 06:05.08 | Azar | configuring a DHCP was the only thing I managed to do on my own as newbie |
| 06:05.20 | micahf_ | some crap integrated |
| 06:05.21 | LilAero | How about the best way to restart xdm without having to kill the process..? |
| 06:05.28 | micahf_ | it should be 8139too |
| 06:05.33 | micahf_ | I mean that should work |
| 06:05.37 | jjazz | LilAero: Why don't you want to kill the process? |
| 06:05.40 | micahf_ | that's what I used on gentoo I think |
| 06:05.50 | LilAero | not using kill |
| 06:05.58 | jjazz | LilAero: sudo /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 06:06.12 | micahf_ | but to be honest, I don't remember, I think I had to add something to the kernel for getting my network to go on gentoo |
| 06:06.20 | Azar | micahf_: the issue is you, and only you, you are used to gentoo crap, Debian has set rules and steps that you should obey |
| 06:06.44 | Alakazam | like your mom |
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| 06:07.08 | Azar | micahf_: there are manuals online for Debian configurations you should take time and read and learn |
| 06:07.28 | kelmo_lap | hi, what is the best way to track the "module ABI" changes in the most current debian kernels? |
| 06:07.31 | micahf_ | Azar, you mean for the installation? |
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| 06:07.41 | LilAero | Well |
| 06:07.50 | LilAero | that basically did the same thing as killing the process |
| 06:07.53 | Azar | micahf_: from the installation up everything has a rule, a step and a priority |
| 06:07.55 | LilAero | the computer locked up |
| 06:08.09 | micahf_ | Azar, are you telling me that because I pressed "autoconfigure DHCP" and it didn't work, that I did something wrong? |
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| 06:08.39 | jjazz | LilAero: Yes, that does basically the same thing as killing the process. Are you sure it locked up? Hit cntrl-alt-f1 and see if you get a console |
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| 06:08.55 | Alakazam | micahf_, are you stil on that box |
| 06:08.57 | Alakazam | all you have to do is |
| 06:09.00 | Alakazam | "dhclient eth0" |
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| 06:09.05 | micahf_ | yea that doesn't work |
| 06:09.12 | Alakazam | ok is the module loaded? |
| 06:09.15 | Tchiak | i'm looking at getting a Fujitsu Stylistic 3500 tablet pc and i'm just curious as to how well debian would work on that |
| 06:09.18 | Alakazam | what does "ifconfig" show |
| 06:09.18 | micahf_ | it says no yep |
| 06:09.19 | Azar | micahf_: I know the Sarge installers is a little weird, at least for me, I install with a woody CD and continue/finish with Sarge , I never failed this way , yet you can configure DHCP after installation |
| 06:09.25 | micahf_ | it shows an IP address |
| 06:09.29 | Alakazam | okay. |
| 06:09.31 | Alakazam | can you ping localhost? |
| 06:09.33 | LilAero | yeah it's locked up |
| 06:09.38 | micahf_ | nope |
| 06:09.45 | Alakazam | what's your /etc/hosts look like? |
| 06:09.46 | micahf_ | I can't ping localhost or anything |
| 06:09.48 | LilAero | can't connect to ssh either heh |
| 06:09.58 | jjazz | LilAero: Can you normally ssh in? |
| 06:10.03 | naoliv | If I send an email with "usertag bugnumber + some-tag" to control@b.d.o, everybody will be able to see this tag? |
| 06:10.12 | LilAero | yep |
| 06:10.22 | Alakazam | dp you have "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" in it? |
| 06:10.23 | LilAero | with 0 issues |
| 06:10.24 | jjazz | LilAero: Then I guess it locked, which is either (1) a bug or (2) heat issues or (3) faulty hardware |
| 06:10.32 | Alakazam | dp = do* |
| 06:10.57 | jjazz | LilAero: You're not overclocking are you? Fans working and all that? |
| 06:11.01 | micahf_ | it has 127.0.0.1 and localhost and my hostname and domain and localhost.localdomain |
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| 06:11.04 | Alakazam | hafve you "/etc/init.d/networking restart" micahf_ |
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| 06:11.15 | micahf_ | no I will try that |
| 06:11.19 | Alakazam | please do |
| 06:11.19 | Alakazam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:11.26 | kelmo_lap | cheal, thanks for the help regarding spca5xx |
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| 06:11.37 | jjazz | micahf_: Can you get a static IP from your router? |
| 06:11.45 | Azar | micahf_: try to see what lspci shows you for an Ethernet controller |
| 06:11.59 | micahf_ | yea I can get a static or dynamic IP |
| 06:12.18 | micahf_ | and when I do route -n, sometimes it shows my router, other times not |
| 06:12.39 | micahf_ | static always shows me an IP |
| 06:12.43 | Azar | good evening jm_ |
| 06:12.44 | micahf_ | dhcp sometimes doesn't |
| 06:12.58 | jjazz | micahf_: If you can set it up as a static IP and get it working, then you know it's most likely a dhcp problem. But if you can't get either static or dhcp, the problem is elsewhere. |
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| 06:13.17 | micahf_ | yea |
| 06:14.17 | micahf_ | let me do lspci |
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| 06:15.25 | micahf_ | I might have better luck with the wireless card I have installed |
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| 06:16.02 | Azar | micahf_: did you edited your /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
| 06:16.08 | micahf_ | yep |
| 06:16.14 | micahf_ | I did it for DHCP |
| 06:16.17 | micahf_ | eth0 |
| 06:16.21 | Azar | micahf_: so what did you put for DHCP? |
| 06:16.53 | micahf_ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:16.56 | micahf_ | auto eth0 |
| 06:17.22 | Azar | after you saved it, did you restart the interfaces? |
| 06:17.26 | micahf_ | yea |
| 06:17.41 | Azar | it should work |
| 06:17.48 | jjazz | micahf_: That's an old card, right? |
| 06:17.56 | Azar | did you try modconf and picked the right module for it? |
| 06:18.14 | micahf_ | I dunno, it's embedded I need to check the chipset |
| 06:18.18 | micahf_ | I'm guessing that's the problem |
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| 06:18.27 | jjazz | micahf_: The chipset is Realtek 8139 |
| 06:18.49 | micahf_ | yea I think that's what it is, did you check on the motherboard specs? |
| 06:19.15 | Azar | lspci can show you exactly waht you have |
| 06:19.27 | jjazz | micahf_: No, but the 8139 was a giveaway |
| 06:19.54 | micahf_ | yea it's 8139 |
| 06:19.56 | _xeno | how do you dpkg a deb file you download? |
| 06:20.00 | micahf_ | so it should work |
| 06:20.09 | jjazz | _xeno: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 06:20.10 | micahf_ | I have 8139too modprobed |
| 06:20.30 | micahf_ | I should try my wireless card |
| 06:20.42 | micahf_ | RT2500 |
| 06:20.46 | Supaplex | my 8139C seems to work ok. pre C is tEh suck |
| 06:20.54 | micahf_ | yea it's C |
| 06:21.00 | micahf_ | C + |
| 06:21.01 | _xeno | jjazz: It says i need ot configure it |
| 06:21.10 | jjazz | micahf_: I recommend you google 'realtek8139 debian'. You'll find a lot of people who think that card is a POS, but many people seem to have gotten it working. |
| 06:21.25 | jjazz | _xeno: what's the error message? |
| 06:21.30 | LilAero | jjazz: nah I don't overclock |
| 06:21.32 | _xeno | jjazz: Nvm it needs a dependency file |
| 06:21.37 | micahf_ | thanks jjazz |
| 06:21.39 | Supaplex | you generally get what you payfor :) |
| 06:21.48 | jjazz | micahf_: np |
| 06:21.58 | micahf_ | I know that now :D |
| 06:21.58 | Supaplex | I've never had issues with the modern intel eepro's |
| 06:22.02 | jjazz | _xeno: apt-get handles all that for you. Where'd you get this .deb? |
| 06:22.07 | aicra | try static |
| 06:22.17 | LilAero | jjazz: running everything normal ... but eh w/e it's rebooted with the config I was wanting to be run. |
| 06:22.24 | LilAero | jjazz: thanks for the help though ^_^. |
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| 06:22.43 | danga | hi all |
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| 06:22.52 | jjazz | LilAero: np |
| 06:22.57 | LilAero | ^_^ |
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| 06:23.07 | danga | how do you set up a network connection in debian |
| 06:23.21 | Paivakil | danga more details please |
| 06:23.25 | Azar | micahf_: I guess is a wrong IRQ setting in BIOS |
| 06:23.31 | micahf_ | danga, don't ask me :D |
| 06:23.37 | aicra | I agree with Azar |
| 06:23.41 | micahf_ | ooh, hey, good thinking Azar |
| 06:23.44 | micahf_ | I should check |
| 06:23.47 | micahf_ | thanks for the reminder |
| 06:23.53 | micahf_ | I was gonna do that |
| 06:24.04 | micahf_ | but I get way too confused with linux stuff |
| 06:24.19 | micahf_ | especially on mac os x |
| 06:24.21 | micahf_ | oops |
| 06:24.24 | micahf_ | not on mac os x |
| 06:24.26 | micahf_ | but on ppc |
| 06:24.28 | Azar | micahf_: when you reboot get in BIOS befor is loading linux |
| 06:24.34 | micahf_ | ok |
| 06:24.39 | micahf_ | I will try now |
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| 06:25.45 | JackieBrown | what do I need to install if I get this while compiling "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.6.0... no" |
| 06:25.52 | Azar | change the option from assigning IRQ automatically to "manual" and set the irq with the tool that is coing with the ethernet card ... |
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| 06:26.20 | jjazz | JackieBrown: libgtk2 or some package with a similar name. Use apt-cache search to find it. |
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| 06:26.41 | JackieBrown | i forgot the dev |
| 06:26.46 | JackieBrown | thanks |
| 06:26.55 | jjazz | np |
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| 06:27.45 | _xeno | How do I dpkg a file and tell it ot ignore dependencies? |
| 06:27.57 | jm_ | don't |
| 06:28.06 | JackieBrown | -f |
| 06:28.14 | jjazz | _xeno: Why would you do that? |
| 06:28.27 | _xeno | jjazz: Cause i dunno |
| 06:28.47 | jjazz | _xeno: What's the deb called? |
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| 06:29.00 | _xeno | fglrx-driver |
| 06:29.04 | _xeno | i wanna ignore xserver-xorg |
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| 06:29.38 | Alakazam | OOPS |
| 06:29.42 | jjazz | _xeno: you're running xf86? |
| 06:29.46 | Alakazam | that borqued it |
| 06:29.48 | micahf_ | Azar, my BIOS has "resources controlled by" and it was set to "Auto(ESCD)" |
| 06:29.50 | jjazz | Alakazam: BUSTED! |
| 06:29.52 | _xeno | jjazz: yes |
| 06:29.59 | Alakazam | lol jjazz |
| 06:30.16 | jjazz | _xeno: Is that driver for xf86? |
| 06:30.21 | Azar | micahf_: one additional question: are you sure you got the module loaded properly? |
| 06:30.40 | micahf_ | yea if it's supposed to be 8139too |
| 06:30.44 | micahf_ | is there another? |
| 06:30.58 | jjazz | micahf_: There's also another driver, isn't there? |
| 06:31.03 | Azar | can you try this: remove the 8139too line from your '/etc/modules' file. Specifying the 'alias eth0 8139too' in /etc/modutils/aliases' is sufficient for the kernel to load the module. |
| 06:31.16 | _xeno | jjazz: I dunno probably |
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| 06:31.27 | _xeno | jjazz: Iwant to just ignore xorg not xf86 |
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| 06:31.34 | jjazz | micahf_: there's a realtek8139 driver, although I don't know it's name. 8139too was developed later, but I don't know that it replaced the original. |
| 06:31.49 | jjazz | _xeno: Where did you get this driver? |
| 06:32.17 | Azar | jjazz I have an old box I ran with realtek 8139 really fine, on woody then in sarge.. |
| 06:32.39 | Alakazam | tulip bling bling |
| 06:32.41 | jjazz | Azar: Yeah, I had one too... still do actually. It ran just fine. |
| 06:33.03 | _xeno | jjazz: pdo.debian.org |
| 06:33.14 | jjazz | _xeno: link? |
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| 06:33.44 | jjazz | _xeno: you running sarge? |
| 06:33.51 | Azar | jjazz it seems that realtek sometimes gets fussy, have to configure here, there by the ear until gets up |
| 06:34.30 | jjazz | Azar: I recall some fussiness, but once I had it working, I never thought about it again. |
| 06:34.30 | Azar | micahf_: I understand you have a network, router..stuff, do you use by chance a crossover cable? |
| 06:34.34 | Alakazam | mmm pentoo |
| 06:34.40 | micahf_ | crossover cable? |
| 06:34.47 | _xeno | yes |
| 06:34.50 | _xeno | rebooting |
| 06:34.51 | Azar | mm n/m I thought you use a NAT |
| 06:35.01 | jjazz | _xeno: give me the link to where you got that .deb |
| 06:35.14 | jjazz | oh well |
| 06:35.18 | jjazz | good night folks |
| 06:35.23 | micahf_ | no I don't use a crossover cable |
| 06:35.27 | micahf_ | well, I made the cable myself |
| 06:35.29 | Alakazam | night jjazz |
| 06:35.32 | micahf_ | and I matched the colors up |
| 06:35.41 | Azar | micahf_: is hard to tell you stuff when we have no idea how you networked |
| 06:35.42 | micahf_ | so, I don't think I crossed it over :D |
| 06:35.43 | Alakazam | you matched the colors up |
| 06:35.45 | Alakazam | lol |
| 06:35.48 | Alakazam | thats wong |
| 06:36.00 | micahf_ | no I had guidance |
| 06:36.01 | Alakazam | you've gotta crossover the wires for a crossover cable. |
| 06:36.05 | Alakazam | lemme get you some |
| 06:36.07 | micahf_ | someone helped me do it when I was little |
| 06:36.18 | micahf_ | we were wiring for the church in a class |
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| 06:36.29 | micahf_ | and there was extra cable so he helped me make an ethernet cable |
| 06:36.34 | micahf_ | and it's like 150 feet long |
| 06:36.43 | Azar | ok micahf_ this is over my capability, so good luck |
| 06:36.45 | micahf_ | and it's worked for all my other linux/mac networks |
| 06:36.50 | Alakazam | micahf_, http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm |
| 06:37.00 | micahf_ | thanks for the help azar |
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| 06:38.50 | micahf_ | so I still get "destination host unreachable" |
| 06:38.59 | micahf_ | hm |
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| 06:39.17 | xander | it |
| 06:39.18 | xander | ita |
| 06:39.30 | micahf_ | these people have the same problem |
| 06:39.32 | micahf_ | http://liste2.lugos.si/pipermail/lugos-list/2002-March/035857.html |
| 06:39.37 | micahf_ | but I don't speak their language |
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| 06:40.03 | micahf_ | these people want me to pay for a solution |
| 06:40.04 | micahf_ | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Linux_Networking/Q_20251452.html |
| 06:40.07 | tiny | micahf_: I speak this lang |
| 06:40.09 | Azar | micahf_: did you setup your DNS numbers? |
| 06:40.17 | xander | ita channel |
| 06:40.18 | micahf_ | my DNS numbers? yea |
| 06:40.22 | xander | ?? |
| 06:40.31 | micahf_ | but I sent them to the same as what my router uses |
| 06:40.38 | micahf_ | just because it wasn't working without them |
| 06:40.48 | micahf_ | I set them to my router address too, but that didn't work either |
| 06:41.09 | Azar | try connecting without the router |
| 06:41.38 | micahf_ | I did |
| 06:41.54 | micahf_ | but that doesn't work because my school is screwing me and they need the mac address to be the same |
| 06:41.56 | Azar | then is clear, your ethernet card is not working so get a new one |
| 06:42.05 | micahf_ | is there a way I can send another mac address? |
| 06:42.08 | micahf_ | :D |
| 06:42.11 | micahf_ | it worked on gentoo |
| 06:42.22 | Azar | well it broke down |
| 06:42.22 | micahf_ | I will just get a whole new motherboard it seems |
| 06:42.27 | micahf_ | haha |
| 06:42.36 | Azar | yes why not |
| 06:42.54 | tiny | micahf_: is any of the light indicator on the NICs on? |
| 06:42.56 | konfuzed | micahf_: I was gonna say that before I passed out |
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| 06:43.14 | rohan | hi all |
| 06:43.20 | konfuzed | micahf_: do yourself and the world a favour and return that motherboard |
| 06:43.38 | konfuzed | micahf_: then NEVER buy lowest cost crap you can get your hands on |
| 06:43.46 | micahf_ | let me stick my head in the back there... |
| 06:43.46 | konfuzed | somebody had to say it |
| 06:43.50 | rohan | i am studying debian's rails package rules file to make a pkg for my own distro. |
| 06:43.54 | Azar | and micahf_ .. one last thing: learn about crossover cables will you |
| 06:43.55 | rohan | what does this do ? |
| 06:43.56 | rohan | cd railties; RAILS_PKG_DESTINATION="`pwd`/../build" rake fresh_rails |
| 06:44.01 | tiny | micahf_: you should see at list a led indicator switched on when you plug in the cable |
| 06:44.05 | rohan | what does pwd refer to ? |
| 06:44.11 | rohan | in a normal debian package build ? |
| 06:44.15 | micahf_ | yea the LED is on |
| 06:44.18 | micahf_ | green too! |
| 06:44.27 | tiny | micahf_: on both sides? |
| 06:44.55 | micahf_ | I dunno, it's embedded in the motherboard and I can only see green inside of the case |
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| 06:45.34 | micahf_ | I should really go to bed though |
| 06:45.35 | Jmax | hi, where is xcompmgr? |
| 06:45.39 | micahf_ | I have class in 7 hours |
| 06:45.43 | micahf_ | thanks for the help everyone |
| 06:45.57 | micahf_ | I think I"m going to use my wireless card, that seems far more promising |
| 06:46.19 | konfuzed | micahf_: you should save yourself all the hassle and replace that mortherboard |
| 06:46.41 | micahf_ | I would if I could afford it :/ |
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| 06:46.55 | konfuzed | micahf_: its really worth spending another $30 |
| 06:46.59 | konfuzed | thats all it would take |
| 06:47.03 | micahf_ | really? |
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| 06:47.05 | konfuzed | yes |
| 06:47.06 | micahf_ | sockey 939? |
| 06:47.11 | micahf_ | socket* |
| 06:47.20 | micahf_ | I have like $100 and I need it to buy books and apply to schools |
| 06:47.33 | konfuzed | a borad for $30 more would save your ass big time |
| 06:47.57 | micahf_ | oh, $30 more |
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| 06:48.06 | micahf_ | yea I doubt if they would let me return this one |
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| 06:48.12 | Paivakil | I am using irssi from within Konsole and the alt+arrow keys are not working after upgrading to kde 3.5.1 (konsole 1.6)? |
| 06:48.20 | Jmax | !xcompmgr |
| 06:48.23 | Jmax | !composite |
| 06:48.24 | micahf_ | I'm guessing any nVidia board would work wuite will |
| 06:48.26 | micahf_ | quite* |
| 06:48.32 | Jmax | :< |
| 06:48.42 | micahf_ | anyone heard about this board? |
| 06:48.42 | micahf_ | http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cluster?q=socket+939+nvidia&pid=4879083664300976775&oid=16739180309287502323&btnG=Search+Froogle&lmode=&addr=&scoring=mrd |
| 06:48.44 | soup | anyone here ever install debian in a chroot jail? |
| 06:48.46 | konfuzed | micahf_: There's all kinds of girls in school out there that are broke and know how to get 100 bucks any day of the week |
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| 06:49.04 | konfuzed | micahf_: stop reading about everything else. |
| 06:49.13 | micahf_ | huh? |
| 06:49.15 | konfuzed | just go buy an MSI motherboard |
| 06:49.39 | konfuzed | via chipset or nvidia chipset(unless you bought an ati video card) |
| 06:49.52 | konfuzed | even spedn the same money as the current board |
| 06:49.52 | micahf_ | but MSI with nvidia |
| 06:49.59 | micahf_ | no way I bought an nvidia card |
| 06:50.10 | konfuzed | micahf_: then why did you get the ATI chipset? |
| 06:50.13 | konfuzed | forget it |
| 06:50.20 | konfuzed | just return that board |
| 06:50.22 | micahf_ | I got the ATI chipset before the board |
| 06:50.24 | micahf_ | oops |
| 06:50.27 | konfuzed | get an msi for the same price |
| 06:50.27 | micahf_ | before the gfx card |
| 06:50.32 | Azar | :) man I am having so much fun, m$ under siege by consumers |
| 06:50.35 | konfuzed | maybe $20 more |
| 06:50.48 | micahf_ | I got the graphics card after I found out that the ATI Xpress 200 didn't work at all on linux |
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| 06:51.39 | micahf_ | I made sure to get an nVidia card |
| 06:51.54 | konfuzed | micahf_: ATI video onboard does not equal ATI chipset for CPU - The MotherBoard always has the ChipSet soddered on. it is inseprable |
| 06:51.54 | Azar | someone comments: "people who put faith in security software from a company that can't secure the software they are selling the security software for is living in a fools paridise." good point |
| 06:52.24 | micahf_ | it is ATI chipset for CPU |
| 06:52.36 | micahf_ | it's ATI onboard video and ATI controllers |
| 06:52.39 | jair | guys, I am looking for a good opensource tool that can manage a dedicated server I am building on debian stable 3.1, I have seen couple of examples like the "cpanel" and "ensim". |
| 06:52.42 | micahf_ | northbridge |
| 06:52.44 | micahf_ | ATI |
| 06:52.46 | konfuzed | [01:51:44] <micahf_> I got the ATI chipset before the board |
| 06:52.52 | jair | but I know is one solution opensource |
| 06:52.57 | micahf_ | micahf_: oops |
| 06:53.06 | micahf_ | micahf_: before the gfx card |
| 06:53.08 | konfuzed | ill give it to that you are a tad KonPhuZeDDD |
| 06:53.08 | jair | do not remember at the top of my head |
| 06:53.14 | micahf_ | haha |
| 06:53.24 | micahf_ | I'm very tired if that's what you mean |
| 06:53.29 | micahf_ | and I speak without thinking |
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| 06:53.46 | jair | haha |
| 06:54.05 | micahf_ | here is the story, I bought the motherboard from newegg about 6 months ago |
| 06:54.12 | micahf_ | ATI chipsets and embedded graphics |
| 06:54.13 | pde_was_stolen | Hi all.... anyone have any advice on why alsa wouldn't be working with a stock 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 06:54.14 | jair | anyone knows about a web hosting management tool similar than cpanel and ensim but completely open source? |
| 06:54.15 | micahf_ | installed gentoo |
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| 06:54.21 | Azar | micahf_: I have invested $600.00 on this box in November. It is worth every penny to have hardware working on any OS (but mac) |
| 06:54.27 | konfuzed | micahf_: just promise eerybody that you will exchange that motherboard for one by MSI that cost $20 more |
| 06:54.28 | pde_was_stolen | modprobe snd gives: snd: Unknown parameter `device_mode' |
| 06:54.51 | jair | pde_was_stolen, you are using sid? |
| 06:54.52 | micahf_ | konfuzed, yep I will try to do that |
| 06:54.59 | pde_was_stolen | modprobe snd_intel_blah gives lots of missing symbols |
| 06:55.01 | pde_was_stolen | jair: yes |
| 06:55.32 | jair | pde_was_stolen, hmm I did this in stable and works: http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
| 06:55.46 | konfuzed | micahf_: now go to sleep repeating that to your self in your dreams, you have to get up in seven hours but that might be enough time to transmogrify that board into an MSI |
| 06:55.55 | jair | try to do that the alsaconf should run and get your card if you are lucky |
| 06:56.05 | micahf_ | haha |
| 06:56.28 | pde_was_stolen | jair: sound works with 2.6.12 (and compiled alsa modules) |
| 06:56.56 | pde_was_stolen | jair: but running alsaconf now anyway |
| 06:57.20 | jair | ok |
| 06:57.32 | pde_was_stolen | jair: hey that worked |
| 06:57.37 | jair | haha |
| 06:57.44 | jair | pde_was_stolen, good |
| 06:57.52 | pde_was_stolen | jair: I wonder what alsaconf did? |
| 06:58.04 | pde_was_stolen | jair: anyway who needs to know, magic is good :) |
| 06:58.16 | jair | I think it search in a data base of drivers and configure it. |
| 06:58.22 | konfuzed | micahf_: on second thought maybe you should remove the motherboard before you go to sleep |
| 06:58.27 | konfuzed | you might forget by tomorroe |
| 06:58.30 | pde_was_stolen | Yes, it loaded the same module I'd been trying to load by hand |
| 06:58.45 | pde_was_stolen | snd_intel8x0 |
| 06:59.00 | pde_was_stolen | might have needed params |
| 06:59.01 | micahf_ | I'd save myself a lot of trouble in the future |
| 06:59.04 | pde_was_stolen | or some other module might have |
| 06:59.08 | jair | guys I am looking for a tool that helps me manage the virtual hosting with apache or any linux server using gui like "cpanel" or "ensim" |
| 06:59.10 | micahf_ | the future after tomorrow morning at 9 AM |
| 06:59.24 | pde_was_stolen | jair: thanks anyway! |
| 06:59.35 | jair | pde_was_stolen, you are welcome |
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| 07:00.34 | stjepan | hello |
| 07:00.44 | stjepan | is 2d accel enough for xcomposite? |
| 07:01.15 | Jmax | how do i compile my i915 drivers for Debian? it's saying it can't find a kernel config file |
| 07:01.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:01.20 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:01.40 | EleckttrusS | ... |
| 07:02.03 | bushito | !ati |
| 07:02.04 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
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| 07:02.30 | konfuzed | micahf_: you know what has to be done |
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| 07:02.49 | micahf_ | konfuzed, no konfusion here yo |
| 07:03.10 | Azar | I can't stop comparing computers with our bodies... the more crap you eat the crappier you feel, same with computers... is not only the scriptkiddies, without ignorance they could not prevail |
| 07:03.28 | Azar | tarzeau! :) |
| 07:04.09 | Azar | tarzeau I needed to ask you yesterday but you were not here |
| 07:04.25 | Azar | tarzeau did you ever tried PSDoom? |
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| 07:05.00 | sntiex_ | hi |
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| 07:05.10 | tarzeau | Azar: a doom engine? |
| 07:05.24 | Azar | tarzeau a doom process manager |
| 07:05.25 | sntiex_ | erhm, can someone please tell me how can i backup my mbr? |
| 07:05.25 | micahf_ | I have doom on my cell phone |
| 07:05.27 | micahf_ | OK that's it |
| 07:05.31 | micahf_ | I need to go to bed |
| 07:05.33 | tarzeau | Azar: i've heard of it, but never used it |
| 07:05.52 | tarzeau | Azar: tried debian gnu/kfreebsd yet? |
| 07:05.58 | Azar | tarzeau looks very tempting the only risk: processes might shoot each other with no way to stop them |
| 07:06.14 | konfuzed | ok id say 30% chance that micahf_ replaces that motherboard |
| 07:06.15 | Azar | tarzeau, no, what is that? |
| 07:06.40 | EleckttrusS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.42 | tarzeau | Azar: it's freebsd with apt-get and the bsd c library removed and gnu c library stuffed in |
| 07:06.51 | sntiex_ | or how to restore grub after an windows installation |
| 07:06.53 | sntiex_ | ? |
| 07:06.59 | Azar | tarzeau: I also seen a file manager based on same style: delete files by shooting at them |
| 07:07.00 | tarzeau | Azar: pretty impressing, you get UFS2, ipf(w)? and a neat fast kernel |
| 07:07.12 | tarzeau | Azar: i liked doom in 1995 |
| 07:07.45 | Azar | tarzeau: I still like doom :) and I am really not handy with freebsd.... I tried it once and scared me badly |
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| 07:08.17 | jm_ | sntiex_: reinstall it |
| 07:08.19 | tarzeau | Azar: i liked the multiplayer maps of quake 1! |
| 07:08.20 | Azar | I have the book and CDs and all... simply I could not make it |
| 07:08.29 | tarzeau | Azar: later shifted to ps1, wipeout1,2,3 and crash bandicoot |
| 07:08.45 | tarzeau | Azar: i like the story in doom too! and the music is great |
| 07:08.48 | Azar | :) sounds you had lots of fun |
| 07:08.57 | jair | guys I am looking for a tool that helps me manage the virtual hosting with apache or any linux server using gui like "cpanel" or "ensim" |
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| 07:09.02 | Azar | I have doom II on my GBA |
| 07:09.05 | Azar | music is cool |
| 07:09.06 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah it was cool to play that with the friends at school :) |
| 07:09.21 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah 'course doom2 is a legend too, and great music |
| 07:09.28 | tarzeau | Azar: i also did descent 1.. |
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| 07:10.28 | tarzeau | Azar: did you ascend nethack? i think that's the cherry on top of all |
| 07:10.29 | aliumalik | ok now this is plain weird...first my server got compromised something else always ran in place of apache2 |
| 07:10.39 | tarzeau | Azar: k got some work to get done, have a nice day |
| 07:10.50 | Azar | good day tarzeau |
| 07:10.59 | aliumalik | i reinstalled and now it is happenin again! :( |
| 07:11.42 | Paivakil | aliumalik: unless you fix the security hol, it will keep on repeating |
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| 07:17.25 | roo9 | when using ssh -L and -R does anyone know how to tell SSH to not bind to localhost when opening the listening port? |
| 07:17.43 | jm_ | yes |
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| 07:18.30 | sanmarcos | jm_: excellent answer |
| 07:19.02 | roo9 | jm_: how would one accomplish it?' |
| 07:19.12 | jm_ | roo9: man ssh will tell you, search for local |
| 07:19.22 | aliumalik | Paivakil, using mysql, php4, ssh (with keys) on sarge...how can I know what the hole is? |
| 07:19.29 | jm_ | you can also set it in config file |
| 07:19.43 | sanmarcos | roo9: to search type / then local |
| 07:19.54 | roo9 | thanks jm |
| 07:20.05 | jm_ | or not, not sure about the config file |
| 07:20.05 | sanmarcos | aliumalik: if you want to check for holes in your computer I suggest you check out nessus, and after that, snort |
| 07:20.05 | roo9 | i was focused on BindAddress for some reason... |
| 07:20.20 | jun | hi |
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| 07:21.11 | roo9 | actually, that option only seems to work for ports that are forwarded from remote -> local (-L) not local -> remote (-R) |
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| 07:22.55 | jm_ | I think you got that backwards, -R is for remote -> local |
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| 07:23.04 | Jmax | how do i tell if dri worked? |
| 07:23.20 | roo9 | jm_: either way, it only works for -L and not -R |
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| 07:25.38 | blue__ | i am trying to set up a second pc in my room to access the internet through my lan via a crossover cable to my debian boxes second ethernet card, and i have no idea what i am doing, can anyone help? |
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| 07:26.02 | jm_ | roo9: it works just fine for -R for me |
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| 07:26.20 | jm_ | ehh no it doesn't, silly me |
| 07:26.23 | ircdevil | heheehe |
| 07:26.39 | ircdevil | bmw.de was dropped from google - that owns |
| 07:26.47 | jm_ | it's an option in sshd_config |
| 07:26.51 | roo9 | ah |
| 07:26.59 | tralala | blue__: you need SNAT or MASQUERADE. man iptables |
| 07:27.07 | roo9 | hrm, no way to set it per-connection, that sucks |
| 07:27.16 | jun | bhftyt6 |
| 07:27.18 | jun | ghhgju |
| 07:27.33 | roo9 | GatewayPorts |
| 07:27.37 | jm_ | indeed |
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| 07:27.43 | roo9 | sucks |
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| 07:28.59 | opnsrc | Does anyone know of a web browser for console mode |
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| 07:29.10 | opnsrc | IE: that works in a terminal or in init 1 |
| 07:29.11 | blue__ | i tried using the gui tool guidedog that is supposed to configure masquerading, but i have no idea how to set it up |
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| 07:29.34 | blue__ | it is supposed to be incredibly user friendly and simple, but i am totally lost |
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| 07:30.23 | konfuzed | hmm |
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| 07:33.18 | blue__ | how would i go about setting up masquerading for this machine via iptables? |
| 07:33.26 | Jmax | anyone have dri running? |
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| 07:33.32 | Jmax | do i need to reboot for it to take effect? |
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| 07:34.42 | dhson | hi * |
| 07:34.50 | Jmax | hi |
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| 07:34.57 | dhson | I have a box with SATA HDD |
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| 07:35.21 | dhson | At the moment I use sarge, 2.4.27-2-386 kernel |
| 07:35.32 | dhson | So I have to turn of SATA |
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| 07:35.53 | dhson | Is there kernel from Debi archive which support SATA? |
| 07:37.46 | Azar | good read: If Linus snubs new GPL, is that it for 'open source'? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/06/torvalds_gpl_analysis/ |
| 07:38.11 | tiny | blue__: read masquerading howto |
| 07:38.32 | Azar | dhson: I guess you will have to try go upgrade to "testing" and get a 2.6.14 or greater kernel |
| 07:38.37 | tiny | blue__: search google for iptables example scripts |
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| 07:39.59 | Azar | the way I read that article seems Torvalds is trying to candidate for the second place after Gates for the "moron of the decade" place |
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| 07:40.49 | dhson | Azar, but I don't see 2.6.14 on the deb apt archive |
| 07:41.05 | Jmax | anyone have dri working? |
| 07:41.36 | fhffhqvb | Dildo Research Initiative? |
| 07:41.45 | Azar | dhson: because sarge's highest kernel goes to 2.6.8 (which does not support sata) |
| 07:41.48 | Jmax | hardware acceleration |
| 07:41.50 | Jmax | dri.sf.net |
| 07:41.53 | fhffhqvb | o rly? |
| 07:42.02 | Jmax | erm |
| 07:42.03 | Jmax | yes? |
| 07:42.12 | fhffhqvb | !tell Jmax about polls |
| 07:42.20 | Jmax | uh |
| 07:42.21 | Jmax | wut |
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| 07:42.22 | agentbob | srsly |
| 07:42.37 | Gnea | !wut |
| 07:42.37 | dpkg | well, wut is a lamer way of saying what |
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| 07:42.50 | dhson | Azar, ah I see, sorry to read over, you say it's in "testing" |
| 07:42.55 | dhson | thank you |
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| 07:43.05 | xlotlu | blue__: echo "net/ipv4/ip_forward=1" >> /etc/sysctl.conf ; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1; iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -i eth_internal -j ACCEPT; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s internal_network -o eth_external -j SNAT --to-source external_ip ; man iptables; man iptables; man iptables; |
| 07:43.12 | Jmax | ok, basically i can't get DRI to work on debian unstable with intel 845 chipset |
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| 07:43.37 | Jmax | i tried alien'ing the rpm from intel.com, that didn't work, i tried the official source from dri.sf.net, and i don't think taht worked |
| 07:43.57 | Gnea | Jmax: desktop or laptop? |
| 07:43.58 | Jmax | but everything says dri was enabled, except glxinfo |
| 07:44.00 | Jmax | desktop |
| 07:44.11 | Gnea | what video card is it? |
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| 07:44.26 | Jmax | intel 82845GL |
| 07:44.30 | Jmax | on board |
| 07:44.36 | Jmax | brb starting xfce |
| 07:44.37 | Gnea | aah |
| 07:45.02 | Jmax | ah the wonders of irssi and screen |
| 07:45.31 | Jmax | so do you have any experience? :) |
| 07:45.38 | noogie | hello, i have a problem with debia sarge on a dual p3 1.4ghz machine...after upgrading my kernel to include highmem support, when booting with 1.5gb ram, i get some wierd errors, but if i downgrade to 1.25gb it boots fine..does anyone know why this would happen? |
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| 07:46.02 | xeltran | pota |
| 07:46.05 | xeltran | asa |
| 07:46.08 | xeltran | weeee |
| 07:46.09 | xeltran | we |
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| 07:46.36 | noogie | i can paste the error, its pretty large and exceeds the screen |
| 07:46.50 | Azar | noogie use paste |
| 07:46.53 | Azar | !paste |
| 07:46.53 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 07:47.03 | Gnea | Jmax: yeah, basically it's a shit-crap chipset, but you should be able to get DRI working with the VESA driver in X |
| 07:47.07 | noogie | its going to be a minute, ive got to reboot to get the message, and then type it out |
| 07:47.16 | Jmax | Gnea: hm, any guides? |
| 07:47.25 | Jmax | Gnea: Xorg or Xfree? (i'm using Xorg) |
| 07:47.47 | noogie | Azar: how do i pageup the boot screen? |
| 07:48.06 | Azar | noogie: Shift + PgUp |
| 07:48.46 | Gnea | Jmax: i've done both, last i did was xorg and i'm not even sure if DRI worked right, now that i think about it... dunno about any guides... tried google? |
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| 07:49.25 | Jmax | yes i have :< |
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| 07:50.25 | Jmax | Gnea: do i need to reboot? |
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| 07:51.07 | gndWrk | hi |
| 07:51.41 | Gnea | Jmax: naw, this isn't windows... i guess keep plugging away at it and trying different combos till it works |
| 07:52.08 | Garda | question for the aussies |
| 07:52.11 | Jmax | how will i know? glxinfo? |
| 07:52.20 | Garda | are there any linux stores in melbourne |
| 07:52.21 | Gnea | probably |
| 07:52.40 | Gnea | i don't have any intel chipsets to test with |
| 07:52.42 | gndWrk | I'm trying to install a program that depends on |
| 07:52.47 | Jmax | ok thanks |
| 07:53.07 | kelmo_lap | Garda, i remember seeing some sometime, somewhere around melbourne |
| 07:53.34 | kelmo_lap | can't for the life of me remember any one thing about them |
| 07:53.38 | gndWrk | I'm trying to install a package that depends on sun-j2re1.5, what deb source do I find this in? |
| 07:54.01 | Azar | gndWrk: Debian uses apt for installation, which takes care of dependencies |
| 07:54.06 | noogie | Azar: i cant seem to even get to the syscall error now.....just crashes in different places with 1.5GB, but boots normally with 1.25GB.. |
| 07:54.26 | jm_ | gndWrk: read the topic |
| 07:54.29 | noogie | Azar: i get a bunch of module errors, and one about boottime.kmap.gz |
| 07:54.40 | gndWrk | Azar: apt says that sun-j2re1.5 but it is not installable or |
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| 07:54.59 | Azar | noogie, when you upgraded the kernel, did you selected one that is for your cpu architecture or just picked whatever you guessed? |
| 07:55.37 | noogie | Azar: of course, like i said, it boots fine with anything less than 1.5GB ram |
| 07:55.41 | Azar | noogie, it might be you installed a kernel that is not ment for your cpu type |
| 07:55.51 | noogie | but when i put in that fourth stick, it just goobs out |
| 07:55.59 | Garda | kelmo_lap: thanks, i guess. i'll keep looking |
| 07:56.24 | Jmax | Gnea: i don't understand it, i've compiled everything appropriately, and yet i still get: direct rendering: No |
| 07:56.37 | noogie | i installed for p3/celeron arch, which is what i have, used xconfig so its kinda hard to select the wrong cpu, with the stock kernel it wouldnt boot with anything over 1gb |
| 07:56.41 | Azar | noogie: just state here again what kind of cpu you use and ask for guidance about which kernel you should have installed |
| 07:57.04 | Azar | noogie: didn't you said something about p4/dual? |
| 07:57.10 | noogie | p3 tualatin |
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| 07:57.16 | noogie | 1.4gh |
| 07:57.28 | Azar | and your kernel is ? |
| 07:57.40 | noogie | all i did was rebuild the 2.4.27-686-smp with highmem support for 4gb |
| 07:57.55 | noogie | i named it 2.4.27-686-hm-smp |
| 07:58.02 | Gnea | Jmax: i'm not sure why you even downloaded it, since it's already included with Xorg |
| 07:58.09 | Azar | why not a 2.6.8-2-686-xxxx ? |
| 07:58.12 | Gnea | Jmax: did you enable it in the config file? |
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| 07:58.51 | noogie | because i dont like the way it handles my dvd burner with out scsi emulation |
| 07:58.57 | Jmax | Gnea: i believe i did, what do i need to do to do that? |
| 07:59.09 | Azar | noogie the 2.6.8 version offers more hardware support than a 2.4.27 one |
| 07:59.19 | noogie | does 2.6.8x kernels include highmem support? |
| 07:59.23 | Gnea | noogie: it's much more efficient than the scsi emulation |
| 07:59.24 | tit1 | hi all |
| 07:59.31 | Gnea | yes |
| 07:59.39 | noogie | Gnea: actually, its rather slow compared to scsi emulated burning |
| 07:59.52 | Gnea | noogie: nope, no change. unless your dma got turned off. |
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| 08:00.32 | noogie | even when you turn it on, it stays off |
| 08:00.47 | Gnea | then your system is messed up |
| 08:00.54 | Gnea | that's not a fault of 2.6 |
| 08:00.55 | noogie | hdparm -d1 drive would say sorry basically |
| 08:01.07 | Gnea | noogie: then you've done something wrong |
| 08:01.17 | Gnea | Jmax: did you load the dri module? |
| 08:01.21 | noogie | no, then debian did something wrong, cuz thats a default install |
| 08:01.39 | Jmax | Gnea: yes |
| 08:01.55 | noogie | for instance not including memroy > 1gb support |
| 08:01.58 | Gnea | noogie: don't argue, i've done this on over 80 systems for years |
| 08:02.00 | Azar | noogie: after 57 installs I had to accept that I was doing wrong things, not debian |
| 08:02.06 | Jmax | (II) I810(0): [drm] created "i915" driver at busid "pci:0000:00:02.0" |
| 08:02.18 | Gnea | noogie: you can recompile it to include it |
| 08:02.29 | Gnea | noogie: do you know how to do that? |
| 08:02.37 | Gnea | !tell noogie about kernel-package |
| 08:02.47 | noogie | really? i guess thats how i got 2.4.27-686-hm-smp huh? |
| 08:03.08 | Azar | noogie: that 2.4.27 is the default, you could ask for 2.6 |
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| 08:03.24 | noogie | i dont want 2.6.x on this machine, its not a desktop |
| 08:03.32 | Gnea | noogie: there are plenty of online documentation that explains very clearly how to get it all working in 2.6 |
| 08:03.33 | Azar | ok then good luck |
| 08:03.47 | Gnea | oh well |
| 08:04.21 | noogie | the kernel not running more than 1.25GB of ram has nothing to do with having 2.6x or 2.4x |
| 08:04.29 | Azar | the guy can't admit that with an outdated kernel he can't run newer hardware |
| 08:04.47 | noogie | Azar: 2.6.8 is outdated too |
| 08:04.50 | Gnea | Azar: he really just doesn't know how to compile a kernel |
| 08:04.50 | Azar | 2.4 is outdated for new machines, can you understand this? |
| 08:04.53 | noogie | hell, sarge is outdated |
| 08:04.57 | cahoot | noogie: no chance it's a matter of bad ram? |
| 08:05.00 | Azar | noogie, then go get a 2.7 kernel |
| 08:05.03 | noogie | how in the world is a p3 a new machine |
| 08:05.16 | noogie | were talkig made 4 years ago |
| 08:05.33 | Azar | yep we are wrong and you are right, happy |
| 08:05.47 | EdLin | !troll noogie |
| 08:05.50 | Gnea | noogie: 2.4 was made about, oh, 4 years ago |
| 08:05.52 | noogie | ? shift + pgup does nothing |
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| 08:06.03 | Azar | :) |
| 08:06.09 | Gnea | not if you switched terminals |
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| 08:06.23 | noogie | Gnea: how can i switch terminals when it crashes on boot? |
| 08:06.38 | jm_ | noogie: shift-pageup doesn't work at that stage |
| 08:06.40 | Azar | you should know better, noogie, you are allways right |
| 08:06.40 | Gnea | noogie: oh, that's because it crashed |
| 08:07.07 | noogie | well, if i hit enter the text goes up, prolly i should be able to read whats out of screen |
| 08:07.13 | Gnea | noogie: if it crashes at boot and if you don't get some sort of information from it as to why it crashed, then no one can help you and you'll just shoot yourself in the foot |
| 08:07.33 | tarzeau | someone with x could please build and test this package on sid? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/zatacka/ |
| 08:07.37 | noogie | Gnea: i got a ton of crap to paste, problem is, half of it has scrolled up |
| 08:07.56 | Gnea | noogie: open a text editor, start typing |
| 08:08.06 | Jmax | Gnea: hmm, could it be that the kernel module is for i915 and my driver is i810 ? |
| 08:08.11 | noogie | i cant read most of it, how many times do i have to say it? |
| 08:08.14 | Gnea | tarzeau: what's that? |
| 08:08.19 | noogie | how do i scroll up for the fourth time |
| 08:08.23 | Gnea | noogie: that's the first time you said it |
| 08:08.34 | noogie | i asked 5 minutes ago, and just said it 3 more times |
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| 08:08.35 | tarzeau | Gnea: a fun game like nibbles but for 2-6 players graphical |
| 08:08.44 | Gnea | Jmax: there's an i915? |
| 08:08.46 | tarzeau | Gnea: http://achtung.zatacka.com/ |
| 08:08.52 | Jmax | Gnea: yeah |
| 08:08.52 | Gnea | oh cool |
| 08:09.28 | Gnea | noogie: well, if you're illiterate, then yeah, we can't help you |
| 08:09.30 | noogie | well then ill post the part i can see |
| 08:09.43 | noogie | obviously youre too good to help me scroll the screen up |
| 08:09.45 | Gnea | !paste |
| 08:09.46 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:09.56 | Gnea | why should i? |
| 08:10.00 | jm_ | use high res mode to see all texr |
| 08:10.02 | jm_ | text* |
| 08:10.11 | noogie | because your acting like someone that helps in this channel? |
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| 08:10.25 | noogie | if youre just going to be a jerk, you should zip it |
| 08:10.26 | Azar | only if he likes you |
| 08:10.34 | Gnea | i usually do, but i don't act under demands and shitty attitudes. |
| 08:10.49 | gndWrk | sarge = unstable ? |
| 08:10.49 | noogie | you guys are the ones with the "shitty attitudes" |
| 08:11.05 | Azar | gndWrk: no Sarge = stable, Etch = testing |
| 08:11.07 | noogie | acting like itll all be ok if i upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 08:11.11 | Gnea | noogie: you are off-topic now. |
| 08:11.20 | streuner | noogie: feel free to leave now. |
| 08:11.21 | noogie | youve been off topic the whole time |
| 08:11.23 | Gnea | noogie: you are now /ignore'd |
| 08:11.26 | noogie | your the one who started this |
| 08:11.40 | Gnea | noogie: no one knows you and no one cares. |
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| 08:12.08 | noogie | if you dont care, then be quiet and let someone else help me if they want |
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| 08:12.30 | noogie | instead of tryin to gang up on me and call me a troll cuz you dont like me |
| 08:12.45 | Phated | No one coming in now is going to want to help you, really :| |
| 08:12.59 | Jmax | Gnea: nope :( |
| 08:13.16 | Phated | gndWrk: Stable, actually. |
| 08:13.46 | peterS | noogie: I've only seen what you have said in the past 2 minutes, because I wasn't looking at the channel before that. and Phated summed it up - from what I see, with that attitude, I'm not really very interested in helping you |
| 08:13.49 | Gnea | Jmax: what about just using i810? |
| 08:13.57 | Jmax | that's what i did |
| 08:13.58 | Jmax | no go |
| 08:13.58 | Phated | peterS: Hello, luv :) |
| 08:14.05 | peterS | hey there, Ph. |
| 08:14.16 | Gnea | Jmax: how are you starting X? |
| 08:14.17 | Phated | peterS: Arr. How ye be? |
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| 08:14.28 | Jmax | Gnea: startx |
| 08:14.45 | streuner | noogie: as i said before, someone who call me a guy 'shitty attitude', i am not interesting to help you anymore. |
| 08:14.46 | peterS | Phated: can't complain, can't complain. I accidentally ignored one of my packages for 5 months, and someone actually noticed, so I'm trying to bang it into shape for upload now |
| 08:14.48 | juczal | 'apt-get install' rt2500, a driver for a wlan board. anyone knows how to set the wlan board to work with this driver? such info does not come with the package. |
| 08:14.54 | noogie | peterS: funny how my "attitude" directly relates to the way gnea has treated me |
| 08:14.55 | Gnea | Jmax: how about like this: X > X.log ? |
| 08:14.56 | Phated | peterS: Cor, good luck with that then. |
| 08:15.05 | Jmax | Gnea: k sec |
| 08:15.33 | noogie | streuner: who called you a "shitty attitude"? |
| 08:15.49 | streuner | <noogie> you guys are the ones with the "shitty attitudes" |
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| 08:16.06 | noogie | streuner: i said that right after they said i had a "shitty attitude" |
| 08:16.11 | peterS | Phated: and yourself? |
| 08:16.24 | noogie | streuner: for defending myself when they said im wrong for using the kernel that is supplied with sarge |
| 08:16.24 | Jmax | Gnea: heh, it all outputs to stderr |
| 08:16.39 | Jmax | Gnea: do you want to see my Xorg.0.log ? |
| 08:16.55 | Gnea | Jmax: try this then: X >& X.log |
| 08:17.09 | Phated | peterS: Oh, not bad, not bad. Currently listening to my class not understand that Knoppix can't save data without work on their part :) |
| 08:17.27 | Jmax | ok |
| 08:17.29 | peterS | Phated: hehe. |
| 08:17.45 | Phated | peterS: Yes. I love Linux lessons :) |
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| 08:18.03 | peterS | noogie: we're not always polite in here, but if you continue the rudeness of others, you attract the wrong kind of attention. you predispose others of us who normally *are* polite, not to want to help you. thus it is counterproductive to argue with those who you feel aren't being helpful, it's easiest just to ignore them and try us again later |
| 08:18.13 | Zet | Linux lessons |
| 08:18.20 | Zet | that would be interesting |
| 08:18.36 | gnufan | Phated: they can modify it to mess up their harddisks if they want -- that is the beauty of free software ;) |
| 08:18.38 | peterS | Phated: what sort of class is this? are they in #knoppix? |
| 08:18.48 | Phated | gnufan: WHAT? You mean they can learn how to? :) |
| 08:18.57 | peterS | ...or are they ... in ... HERE? |
| 08:19.16 | Jmax | Gnea: k |
| 08:19.19 | Phated | peterS: Class at school - they're encouraged to use a LiveCD because they're weenies who daren't repartition their drives "OMG MY PRECIOUS WINDOWS" |
| 08:19.19 | gnufan | Phated: some of them can learn howto, probably ;) |
| 08:19.48 | noogie | peterS: i never said i felt anyone wasnt being helpful until gnea started hazing me, azar had begun to help me without any type of problem until gnea decided the 2.4x kernel was indefinately the problem |
| 08:19.59 | Phated | gnufan: "Why do we need to use $ when we want to $(echo $TERM)? Why can't we $(echo TERM)? Linux suXX0R!" |
| 08:20.01 | Jmax | Gnea: http://pastebin.com/542915 |
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| 08:20.28 | peterS | Phated: I can understand being conservative about what one does to school computers. letting students run rampant on school hard drives would probably be a lot of maintenance headache for some admins |
| 08:20.40 | Phated | peterS: No - their own machines :) |
| 08:20.44 | peterS | ahhh |
| 08:20.56 | Phated | Anyways, we have scratch machines in the lab, an a Norton Ghost server :) |
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| 08:21.13 | peterS | noogie: so now I'm a little bit interested again. what is your problem which is allegedly caused by the 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:21.41 | Gnea | noogie: you seem to be less concerned about your problem regarding the debian kernel and the solution to making it work right and more concerned that someone told you "how it is" and even made an attempt to try to help, when all you did was cry like a little bitch. And yes, I do know what I'm talking about - we tend to help each other out around here to provide a more efficient help system. |
| 08:21.43 | Phated | Does anyone recall the rant about download accelerators? |
| 08:21.56 | Phated | (OFFTOPIC, I -know-, but it was someone in here who linked it to me :() |
| 08:22.08 | peterS | I don't recall a rant about them, but I will agree that they are generally evil |
| 08:22.14 | Phated | Cheers :P |
| 08:22.16 | Gnea | Jmax: cool, what of the contents of X.log? |
| 08:22.29 | Jmax | Gnea: those are them |
| 08:22.32 | dondelelcaro | Phated: there are apache modules to block excessive numbers of connections from a single ip |
| 08:22.40 | tarzeau | a pearl, a pearl: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175866&cid=14618728 |
| 08:22.41 | Jmax | or do you mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 08:22.45 | Gnea | Jmax: ok, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 08:22.50 | Jmax | k sec |
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| 08:23.07 | Phated | dondelelcaro: No, darlin', it's not for me - I'm attempting to scream at my classmate for using one, and she doesnae understand. Selfish bint. |
| 08:23.07 | Azar | reading the news: I guess next year the xgl will be the major talk around |
| 08:23.17 | kaviros | goodmorning |
| 08:23.19 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Hihi, too - long time no op ;) |
| 08:23.23 | tarzeau | when is etch released? |
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| 08:23.30 | Phated | A looong time from now :) |
| 08:23.46 | peterS | tarzeau: supposed to be 20061201 or so. we shall see. |
| 08:23.52 | Azar | tarzeau personally I hope by december |
| 08:23.55 | Phated | :O |
| 08:23.58 | tarzeau | peterS: where's the votes and bets and prices for it? |
| 08:24.00 | Phated | -Really-? |
| 08:24.02 | streuner | tarzeau: /msg dpkg wir :-P |
| 08:24.06 | peterS | tarzeau: oh, I have no idea |
| 08:24.11 | kaviros | am very new with linux and am really confused |
| 08:24.15 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 08:24.16 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 08:24.16 | dondelelcaro | if you hope for it to release by then, it's time to jump in and help fix RC bugs |
| 08:24.16 | peterS | Phated: that is the plan, and the release managers and others seem quite determined to make it happen |
| 08:24.28 | peterS | right, right, that too |
| 08:24.35 | Phated | peterS: Fab. |
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| 08:24.49 | kaviros | how can i install xwindows in linux? |
| 08:24.52 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Depends - how many RC bugs are simple typos? :) |
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| 08:24.56 | tarzeau | !xwindows |
| 08:24.56 | dpkg | hmm... xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 08:25.00 | bkhl | Where the heck can I find CONFIG_FILTER in menuconfig? |
| 08:25.07 | juczal | rt2500 - configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards |
| 08:25.07 | Azar | dondelelcaro: Id feel honored but I have no great experience.. |
| 08:25.08 | juczal | rt2500-source - RT2500 wireless network drivers source. With this info fr search, when I 'apt-get install rt2500' will I be installing the driver or do I have to compile the source to get it? |
| 08:25.15 | tarzeau | bkhl: #linux |
| 08:25.30 | Azar | kaviros what is the guidance you need for a linux beginner? |
| 08:25.33 | tarzeau | well there are bug squashing parties... |
| 08:25.44 | bkhl | tarzeau: they are unresponsive. |
| 08:25.50 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 08:25.50 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 08:25.53 | streuner | bkhl: grep a .config? |
| 08:26.03 | kaviros | i tried knoppix and i liked |
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| 08:26.25 | Azar | kaviros so you want some manuals to learn from about Debian? |
| 08:26.27 | bkhl | streuner: the string is not in my .config |
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| 08:26.37 | tarzeau | kaviros: #knoppix then |
| 08:26.39 | kaviros | and now i want to install debian |
| 08:26.43 | Jmax | Gnea: how can i send this to you? too big for pastebin.ca |
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| 08:27.14 | peterS | Phated: a lot of RC bugs are *straightforward* for someone who knows debian development reasonably well, but that doesn't mean they aren't still time-consuming. not sure if there are many "simple typos" left - bug squashing parties have the predictable effect of weeding out all the easy RC bugs and leaving most of the harder ones (: |
| 08:27.24 | kaviros | i installed but stopped at the command prompt |
| 08:27.26 | Azar | kaviros the first main things you need to read about: how to work with an editor, command line, apt primer. |
| 08:27.27 | jm_ | bkhl: menuconfig interface lets your search for things |
| 08:27.27 | Gnea | Jmax: just make 2 pastes |
| 08:27.34 | Phated | peterS: Ah-hah. |
| 08:27.38 | juczal | rt2500 - configuration tool for wireless RT2500 network cards |
| 08:27.41 | juczal | rt2500-source - RT2500 wireless network drivers source. With this info fr search, when I 'apt-get install rt2500' will I be installing the driver or do I have to compile the source to get it? |
| 08:27.41 | Phated | peterS: Well, predictable :) |
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| 08:28.14 | vyrus001 | juczal: u compile |
| 08:28.19 | peterS | yes. that's not to say they aren't still *helpful*, but if you just say "oh look, in this bug-squash weekend we eliminated N out of M RC bugs", that doesn't mean the work is N/M done |
| 08:28.19 | vyrus001 | lol ive got the same card :P... laptop ? |
| 08:28.32 | Azar | kaviros: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html << apt primer for you |
| 08:28.33 | Phated | True. |
| 08:28.33 | kaviros | is so difficult to start my pc in a linux windows invironment? |
| 08:28.38 | juczal | vyrus001: u got it working ? |
| 08:28.38 | streuner | bkhl: try 'grep -i filter your_config' |
| 08:28.45 | vyrus001 | juczal: yea |
| 08:28.48 | tarzeau | !confuse kaviros |
| 08:28.48 | dpkg | No, where was their hamster tomorrow, kaviros? shirts of the monarchy of belarus with extra herring |
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| 08:29.09 | sanxiyn | Phated: Some portion of RC bugs are GFDL issue. |
| 08:29.18 | sanxiyn | I think, a sizable portion. |
| 08:29.19 | juczal | Belkin F5D7000? |
| 08:29.23 | bkhl | streuner: "CONFIG_NETFILTER is not set" |
| 08:29.27 | Phated | sanxiyn: WTF GFDL |
| 08:29.30 | bkhl | streuner: could it have changed names? |
| 08:29.39 | sanxiyn | Phated: GNU Free Documentation License. |
| 08:29.44 | Azar | kaviros: http://www.unixguide.net/linux/linuxshortcuts.shtml << command line |
| 08:29.48 | Azar | lag? wow wow |
| 08:29.52 | tarzeau | !MOTL |
| 08:29.52 | Phated | sanxiyn: Cor. |
| 08:29.56 | Azar | I am going dowwnnnnn |
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| 08:30.10 | tarzeau | i don't get this, someone can help me please? http://www.bash.org/?608442 |
| 08:30.10 | peterS | poor Azar |
| 08:30.16 | juczal | vyrus001: Belkin F5D7000? Mine a pci for the desktop. |
| 08:30.53 | Gnea | tarzeau: it compiled and it came up |
| 08:30.56 | Phated | tarzeau: He said 7756 things on a message board, but hadn't said that many to his wife :) |
| 08:30.57 | peterS | tarzeau: I don't know what MOTL is either. doesn't matter much, though, the point is that he posts a lot more on some web forum than he ever talks to his wife |
| 08:31.04 | Jmax | Gnea: http://pastebin.ca/40504 |
| 08:31.05 | tarzeau | Gnea: it doesn't segfault? |
| 08:31.12 | tarzeau | Phated: ah.. |
| 08:31.15 | Phated | Aye :) |
| 08:31.18 | streuner | bkhl: good question |
| 08:31.22 | sanxiyn | btw, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 08:31.25 | vyrus001 | juczal: hm... mine is a lappy minipci.. u sure u have the right driver ? |
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| 08:31.35 | bkhl | streuner: it doesn't seem like the same thing from the docs though. |
| 08:31.35 | EdLin | !u |
| 08:31.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:31.43 | Gnea | tarzeau: what would cause that? no, it just runs and shows something on the screen. it even goes fullscreen. |
| 08:31.57 | tarzeau | Gnea: no text? |
| 08:32.01 | Jmax | Gnea: http://pastebin.ca/40506 |
| 08:32.03 | streuner | bkhl: what are trying to do at all? |
| 08:32.03 | juczal | vyrus001: the lspci showed that it is a RaLink Rt2500 chip. |
| 08:32.09 | Gnea | tarzeau: there's text |
| 08:32.21 | tarzeau | Gnea: i had to remove the original font since it was non-free. well you press f1, then two keys for the left right |
| 08:32.29 | bkhl | streuner: DHCP says it needs CONFIG_FILTER. |
| 08:32.37 | tarzeau | Gnea: and then start it, don't forget f2 for the 2nd player. it's 2-6 players, no single play |
| 08:33.19 | tarzeau | Gnea: got no sister to play with near? |
| 08:33.19 | jm_ | bkhl: that has been removed quite a while ago IIRC |
| 08:33.19 | Jmax | ...? |
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| 08:33.19 | tarzeau | it's pretty fun to play! |
| 08:33.19 | juczal | vyrus001: i have got it working with the Windows driver with ndiswrapper. i want to use kismet. so need the native driver. agree? |
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| 08:33.19 | bkhl | jm_: so then what is missing? |
| 08:33.19 | streuner | bkhl: what's wrong with an official debian kernel? |
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| 08:33.23 | tarzeau | streuner: it's so old it doesn't support half of the stuff of 2005/2006 |
| 08:33.27 | Jmax | lol metawire |
| 08:33.29 | jm_ | bkhl: for what? |
| 08:33.34 | bkhl | streuner: I'm trying to see if a newer driver will get my wifi card to work, before I get to the desperate measuers. |
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| 08:33.52 | kaviros_ | any idea how can i start linux in window inviromnent? |
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| 08:34.09 | Jmax | kaviros_: cygiwn |
| 08:34.17 | streuner | bkhl: what kernel did you try (official)? |
| 08:34.17 | Jmax | er |
| 08:34.18 | hatake_kakashi | co-linux |
| 08:34.19 | sanxiyn | Jmax: Cygwin is mostly Unix, not Linux. |
| 08:34.22 | vyrus001 | juczal: yes |
| 08:34.25 | bkhl | jm_: when I ifup, it says "Address family not supported by protocol. Make sure to set CONFIG_PACKET=y and CONFIG_FILTER=y" |
| 08:34.28 | Jmax | yeah, i mean co-linux heh |
| 08:34.31 | sanxiyn | kaviros_: See http://www.colinux.org/ |
| 08:34.37 | vyrus001 | juczal: but like i said... check weather or not that driver is native for that hardware |
| 08:34.42 | Jmax | Gnea: any ideas? if not, i'm heading to sleep |
| 08:34.44 | bkhl | jm_: Googling suggests that it's DHCP that needs them. |
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| 08:35.05 | juczal | vyrus001: what steps to take to compile the source? |
| 08:35.06 | tarzeau | i wonder what network that is http://www.bash.org/?607551 |
| 08:35.10 | jm_ | bkhl: yes, it is, but CONFIG_FILTER is not an option anymore, CONFIG_PACKET is |
| 08:35.19 | noogie | peterS: the system will boot with 1.25GB ram, when booted with 1.5GB i get this http://channels.debian.net/paste/1754 |
| 08:35.38 | bkhl | jm_: so socket filtering is always on now? |
| 08:35.43 | noogie | theres more that scrolled out of screen that i couldnt copy |
| 08:35.56 | vyrus001 | juczal: get kernel hearders (apt-get) apt-get source... make make install |
| 08:35.56 | peterS | noogie: when do you get that message? during boot, or later? |
| 08:36.03 | peterS | noogie: and if during boot, *when* during boot? |
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| 08:36.52 | juczal | vyrus001: thks. |
| 08:36.58 | streuner | bkhl: what wifi card is that, btw? |
| 08:37.04 | jm_ | bkhl: right |
| 08:37.11 | vyrus001 | juczal: np |
| 08:37.37 | noogie | peterS: i cant tell, it fills up my entire screen, but its after init 2.86 starts and thats the last thing i get |
| 08:37.51 | bkhl | streuner: Cisco Aironet Wireless 802.11b Mini PCI (airo driver) |
| 08:38.01 | peterS | noogie: so, it's probably a kernel bug, but *could* be a hardware problem with your memory or your memory controller or something |
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| 08:38.23 | peterS | noogie: Gnea is right insofar as he wants you to try a different kernel. it's not *definitely* a kernel bug, but that's the first thing I'd try, to resolve it |
| 08:38.52 | noogie | does the 2.6x have highmem by default? |
| 08:38.56 | jm_ | no |
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| 08:39.16 | peterS | noogie: I'm not sure if all of them do or not |
| 08:39.39 | noogie | peterS: and if it doesnt work with a newer kernel then its probably a hardware issue? |
| 08:39.41 | peterS | noogie: but linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 does. I believe kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 does too, but I can't check offhand |
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| 08:40.36 | Yvette | how to find a dictionary contains gtk+-2.0.pc? |
| 08:40.45 | peterS | noogie: what type of CPU do you have? presumably you'll want either the -686 kernel image package, if you have Intel, or the -k7 kernel image package, if you have AMD |
| 08:40.48 | jm_ | Yvette: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:40.52 | sanxiyn | Yvette: dictionary? |
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| 08:41.08 | sanxiyn | (It's in libgtk2.0-dev) |
| 08:41.10 | noogie | its a dual pIII-s tualatin core |
| 08:41.11 | peterS | Yvette: .pc files are in -dev packages, so I'd guess it is in libgtk2.0-dev |
| 08:41.12 | jm_ | 2-686 also has highmem in Sarge |
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| 08:41.31 | peterS | noogie: right so kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686smp, I think the package name is |
| 08:41.33 | Azar | tarzeau I guess that channel is on effnet |
| 08:41.39 | Yvette | sanxiyn: sorry. directory |
| 08:41.57 | sanxiyn | Yvette: .pc files are under /usr/lib/pkgconfig |
| 08:42.35 | bkhl | streuner: the problem, I suspect, is that the firmware of the card is to old, but I'm testing the latest driver first, since upgrading the firmware seems to require I install Windows. |
| 08:42.43 | Yvette | sanxiyn: but there is a message said I should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable. |
| 08:42.48 | peterS | noogie: errrr, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp, with the extra hyphen. try that one. |
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| 08:43.03 | sanxiyn | Yvette: Yes, if it's *not* default package config path, which is /usr/lib/pkgconfig. |
| 08:43.08 | Gnea | Jmax: hrmmm |
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| 08:43.19 | sanxiyn | Yvette: man pkg-config for details. |
| 08:43.46 | sanxiyn | (3rd paragraph) |
| 08:43.54 | noogie | peterS: is there a way to see if it has highmen, like will the ver_linux script show it? |
| 08:44.08 | peterS | noogie: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 08:44.20 | peterS | noogie: or, more generally, grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:44.46 | xlotlu | bkhl: could just bag the card and stick it some friend's windoze box |
| 08:45.07 | bkhl | xlotlu: I'm not sure I have any friends like that. |
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| 08:45.51 | xlotlu | hmm, a windowsless community, wish they were my friends |
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| 08:46.24 | streuner | bkhl: before you find out, why are not subscribing to 'Ben's' ML? |
| 08:46.28 | bkhl | xlotlu: but I could try to find one. Are the PCMCIA cards you stick into the side of the laptop the same format as those you put inside? |
| 08:46.37 | dr1v3r | guys does exim4 require any sort of configuration? if so is there any sort of auto configuration that can be done? |
| 08:46.49 | bkhl | streuner: don't know. Link? |
| 08:46.57 | jm_ | dr1v3r: no, it works out of the box for all zillion possible configurations ... |
| 08:47.08 | jm_ | dr1v3r: apt-cache search exim4 config |
| 08:47.10 | streuner | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11b.html#Arlan802 |
| 08:47.17 | bkhl | streuner: thanks. |
| 08:47.50 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell dr1v3r about drec |
| 08:47.54 | xlotlu | bkhl: so that's a laptop, missed that part. no they're not, and unless it's a very new one it's probably not even removable |
| 08:48.01 | streuner | Zugschlus: that doesn't work |
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| 08:48.10 | streuner | Zugschlus: !tell foo blah |
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| 08:48.21 | Yvette | peterS: about libgtk2.0-dev. but how to get the .pc file? |
| 08:48.23 | Zugschlus | streuner: actually dpkg told me in private that it told dr1v3r about drec |
| 08:48.24 | bkhl | xlotlu: it's removable. It's under a screwed on lid on the bottom of the laptop. |
| 08:48.30 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell streuner about drec |
| 08:48.36 | Zugschlus | streuner: see? |
| 08:48.36 | sanxiyn | Yvette: Huh? |
| 08:48.37 | bkhl | xlotlu: let's hope it doesn't come to that, though. |
| 08:48.41 | sanxiyn | Yvette: What are you trying to do |
| 08:48.44 | xlotlu | bkhl: maybe the vendor will help with it |
| 08:48.44 | streuner | Zugschlus: hm |
| 08:48.50 | peterS | Yvette: I believe the .pc file is in that package. you can do 'dpkg -L libgtk2.0-dev' to see if I am right |
| 08:48.59 | dr1v3r | thanks Zugschlus i tried that with exim4 but that did not do anything lol |
| 08:49.06 | Zugschlus | dr1v3r: read the message again |
| 08:49.08 | sanxiyn | peterS: You're right. |
| 08:49.08 | bkhl | xlotlu: I ebayed it from Britain, and I'm in Sweden, so I'd rather avoid getting them involved. |
| 08:49.13 | dr1v3r | i have :D |
| 08:49.18 | dr1v3r | i am doing it now |
| 08:49.20 | Yvette | sanxiyn: so, i move the package into /usr/lib/pkgconfig? |
| 08:49.26 | Zugschlus | dr1v3r: so you didn't see the difference between exim4 and exim4-config? |
| 08:49.27 | sanxiyn | Yvette: ??? |
| 08:49.31 | bkhl | xlotlu: though I guess I maybe could convince them to upgrade the card and send it back to me. |
| 08:49.34 | peterS | Yvette: it is already in there. dpkg -L libgtk2.0-dev | fgrep .pc |
| 08:49.57 | sanxiyn | Yvette: If you installed libgtk2.0-dev package, .pc file will be already in the right place. |
| 08:49.57 | dr1v3r | i was saying i tried reconfigure with exim4 and didnt do anything, but did not think about trying it with the conf. |
| 08:50.16 | dr1v3r | sorry i deleted half ofthe last message i sent to channel sorry |
| 08:50.17 | Zugschlus | dr1v3r: so you didn't read the message, which says dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:50.24 | xlotlu | bkhl: anyway, i've seen a (not very legal i presume) windows live cd, based on win 2003. |
| 08:50.30 | Yvette | sanxiyn: i see. so i should apt-get this. |
| 08:50.36 | sanxiyn | Aha, yes. |
| 08:51.10 | bkhl | xlotlu: maybe Wine would do it... I bet I can P2P an XP image for it. |
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| 08:51.34 | bkhl | xlotlu: do you have a link to that live CD? |
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| 08:52.25 | xlotlu | bkhl: no, just seen a guy at work running around with it, recovering a messed up installation |
| 08:52.56 | bkhl | xlotlu: could you maybe ask him if it's P2P:able or something? |
| 08:53.40 | TBBle | There's a windows liveCD maker, which pulls the files off an install CD... BartPE I think. |
| 08:54.18 | bkhl | TBBle: I found it. Thanks. |
| 08:54.26 | streuner | bkhl: you think its the problem, but you doesn't know it for sure |
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| 08:55.07 | streuner | based on nothing |
| 08:55.33 | bkhl | streuner: it's based on a wiki page about my laptop. |
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| 08:55.52 | streuner | url? |
| 08:55.57 | bkhl | streuner: it says early versions of the firmware can have problems with the Linux drivers, and mine is older than any reported as working there. |
| 08:56.05 | bkhl | streuner: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Cisco_Aironet_Wireless_802.11b |
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| 08:56.26 | asperon-work | hi guys, is there an easy way to get e17 to run under debian unstable? |
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| 08:57.20 | kennethd | hello everyone, please.. does the b44 module work in sarge with the default 2.4.27-2-386 kernel? I have a broadcom 4400 which I can't get the sarge installer to recognize for anything |
| 08:57.23 | Yvette | i want to apt-get install apt-file. it needs to insert the debian cd, but i havn't one. what can i do? |
| 08:57.46 | streuner | bkhl: ok, and which kernel of debian did you try (official)? |
| 08:57.53 | peterS | Yvette: run apt-setup or edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually |
| 08:57.59 | noogie | peterS: after installing 2.6.8, theres trouble with my software raid drives, it keeps repeating hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x64; hde: DMA interrupt recovery; hde: lost interrupt, then it does the same for hdf |
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| 08:58.37 | bkhl | streuner: 2.6.12 |
| 08:58.38 | peterS | noogie: ok, could be driver bugs or actual hardware problems. did your 1.5 GB memory issue go away? |
| 08:58.55 | noogie | i took it out, its using 1GB atm |
| 08:59.05 | peterS | noogie: ah so you haven't tested the 1.5 GB thing yet |
| 08:59.25 | peterS | noogie: out of curiosity, what IDE controller chip have you got for hde / hdf? some are certainly better supported than others |
| 08:59.34 | noogie | im still waiting for it to finish booting to check for highmem support |
| 08:59.41 | peterS | ahh |
| 08:59.49 | noogie | its a hpt370 fakeraid |
| 08:59.57 | noogie | 370 or 372 |
| 09:00.12 | peterS | hmmmm I believe those are *reasonably* well supported. I don't have one myself, though |
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| 09:01.07 | gnufan | noogie: switch of acpi and see if it goes away is the voice of my recent experience |
| 09:01.21 | xlotlu | bkhl: it seems it was based on this thing: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ |
| 09:01.27 | gnufan | noogie: s/of/off |
| 09:01.44 | DFH | hi, somebody here, who could say me which is the "mod1" key under debian? |
| 09:01.44 | noogie | gnufan: yea, thats right, i forgot, but i had to do that before |
| 09:01.51 | DFH | alt_l isnt working |
| 09:01.58 | bkhl | xlotlu: that's what I found. Thanks. |
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| 09:02.17 | bkhl | xlotlu: even better would be if someone put up a finished image on BitTorrent, of course... |
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| 09:04.06 | Gnea | Jmax: all evidence says that dri is working |
| 09:04.46 | streuner | bkhl: try #wireless too |
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| 09:05.35 | noogie | i had to use that with the installer, i think it was noapic and nolapic? |
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| 09:06.28 | ultraviolet16 | what's a good calendar that runs with gtk? |
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| 09:06.54 | streuner | !info gdeskcal |
| 09:06.55 | noogie | ok yea adding noapic and nolapic did it for the raid |
| 09:07.11 | Yvette | i have the same problem. i need libgnomeui-2.0.pc now. which package i didn't install? |
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| 09:07.44 | streuner | bkhl: well, the problem is that you don't even know, if the card is ok or not |
| 09:08.01 | bkhl | streuner: I'm aware of that. |
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| 09:08.28 | bkhl | streuner: though it works to some extent even with the 2.6.8 airo driver. It finds my router, I just can't get an interface up. |
| 09:08.44 | dr1v3r | guys is exim4 pop or imap? |
| 09:08.52 | Guerin | dr1v3r: no. |
| 09:08.54 | bkhl | dr1v3r: neither. |
| 09:08.55 | dpkg | gdeskcal: (A desktop calendar featuring transparency with smooth alpha-blending), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.57.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 1420 kB |
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| 09:09.04 | jm_ | package description will tell you what it is |
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| 09:09.22 | mhall | streuner: hallo |
| 09:09.32 | noogie | peterS: the output for grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) is # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set; CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y; # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set; CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y; so this would mean its on? |
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| 09:09.53 | dr1v3r | so its just a transport agent then |
| 09:10.00 | jm_ | for some values of just |
| 09:10.15 | dr1v3r | huh? |
| 09:10.19 | dr1v3r | speak english man |
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| 09:10.45 | peterS | noogie: there are two types of highmem - one goes up to 4 GB, the other is less efficient, but goes all the way to 64 GB. |
| 09:10.51 | Gnea | exim4 is an MTA |
| 09:11.01 | dr1v3r | yea a transport agent |
| 09:11.07 | Yvette | peterS: so which package contains libgnomeui-2.0.pc? it's not there under /usr/lib/pkgconfig |
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| 09:11.28 | peterS | noogie: as you can see, HIGHMEM4G is on, but HIGHMEM64G is off. this is sensible, until you get a machine with a lot more than 4 GB in it, such that the inefficiency of HIGHMEM64G is still worth it |
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| 09:11.41 | dr1v3r | so what else woul di need to send and receive mail? fetchmail and what else? |
| 09:11.46 | Gnea | right, MTA's listen on port 25, not 110 or 143 |
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| 09:12.02 | peterS | Yvette: I don't know, but you can search for it on http://pdo.debian.net/ |
| 09:12.09 | kombi | you good regexers (me isn't..), what do I grep to get all email-addresses from a text file? |
| 09:12.11 | noogie | peterS: my board only supports 4g so 64g isnt necessary, gonna reboot now |
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| 09:12.30 | Gnea | dr1v3r: send and recieve mail to/from where? |
| 09:12.52 | kombi | grep <.*@.*\..*> ? |
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| 09:13.06 | dr1v3r | my debian box |
| 09:13.31 | kombi | what is deborahs last name, I allway wondered.. |
| 09:13.31 | Gnea | does your isp require you use its smtp server to send email? |
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| 09:13.52 | dr1v3r | i dont know its a hosting provider |
| 09:14.06 | sanxiyn | kombi: There's 6600 bytes long Perl regex to validate mail address against RFC 822. |
| 09:14.19 | Gnea | oh |
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| 09:14.32 | sanxiyn | kombi: It's more complex than it looks. |
| 09:14.41 | noogie | ok this error is alot smaller |
| 09:14.49 | peterS | well, not more complex than it looks if you actually read rfc 822 |
| 09:14.51 | jab | Where can I find the channel key for the debian-private IRC channel? (Yes, I am a DD) |
| 09:14.54 | asperon[work] | what is the prefered way to get enlightenment e17 to run under debian unstable? |
| 09:14.59 | sanxiyn | Indeed... |
| 09:15.03 | peterS | the RFC does a good job of communicating just how complex the whole thing is (: |
| 09:15.03 | sanxiyn | See also http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 09:15.08 | Phated | jab: Ask the DD channel? :) |
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| 09:15.20 | kombi | sanxiyn: sounds like perl, but all I want to do is extract the address of /var/mail/user to take them off the list |
| 09:15.30 | kombi | bounces, those are |
| 09:15.33 | xlotlu | it it my impression or apt-proxy is slow as hell? |
| 09:15.39 | sanxiyn | kombi: Use whatever works. |
| 09:15.51 | kombi | sanxiyn: that IS a smart answer.. |
| 09:15.59 | jab | Phated: I thought the DD channel *was* debian-private |
| 09:16.10 | sanxiyn | jab: Maybe #debian-devel |
| 09:16.13 | Phated | jab: I dunno, I know of another one, but I can't say the name here :O :) |
| 09:16.20 | Phated | ... damnit, sanxiyn :P |
| 09:16.33 | kombi | sanxiyn: in fact it is just a bit less smart than no answer.. |
| 09:16.43 | dr1v3r | Gnea just so for now that they do require me to use smtp, fetch mail would be ok for that wouldnt it? or do i need something else? |
| 09:17.04 | jab | Allright, thanks. Clearly I need to get myself better informed on the IRC front. |
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| 09:17.44 | noogie | peterS: here is the error with 2.6.8, much smaller as you can see http://channels.debian.net/paste/1755 |
| 09:18.23 | peterS | noogie: well, a double fault is just as bad as what you had earlier. is this what happens when you added the extra memory back in? |
| 09:18.47 | noogie | yea, i had 2x512MB and added 2x256MB |
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| 09:18.57 | noogie | into the 4 total slots |
| 09:19.15 | noogie | it almost seems that if i have 3/4 slots used it works, and 4 slots doesnt |
| 09:19.58 | peterS | noogie: makes me wonder about your hardware. the memory controller might be in a funny mood, or even possibly one of your DIMMs |
| 09:20.42 | Gnea | dr1v3r: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/apps.html#SERVERMAIL |
| 09:20.55 | Gnea | dr1v3r: do you know what fetchmail does? |
| 09:20.57 | noogie | ok, i set the bios to "load failsafe defaults" and i can get it to boot |
| 09:21.15 | Yvette | peterS: i got it. i need to install popt. thanks |
| 09:21.25 | Gnea | dr1v3r: if you need SMTP then you need an MTA, not a mail client |
| 09:21.32 | noogie | and that changes fsb to 66, agp from 4 to 2x, and clock multiplier from 10.5 to 4 |
| 09:21.55 | peterS | noogie: clock multiplier from 10.5 to 4? that's some pretty serious underclocking (: |
| 09:22.18 | noogie | it just basically set everything to lowest settings |
| 09:22.56 | noogie | i think im gonna get a new mb, what are good stable chipsets under linux? |
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| 09:23.04 | peterS | noogie: yeah, who knows what 'conservative' setting actually makes the difference here. anyway it does seem to be a hardware-related rather than kernel-related problem |
| 09:23.21 | noogie | i think its the fsb |
| 09:23.39 | dr1v3r | i have exim4 setup |
| 09:23.42 | peterS | quite possibly, yes |
| 09:23.52 | peterS | noogie: I haven't been in the new computer market for awhile, can't really help you on selecting a better motherboard / CPU |
| 09:23.53 | Gnea | it's a p3, it'd old and depricated by default |
| 09:23.57 | ootput | hi guys. are any of you using a USB2.0 hub? |
| 09:23.59 | dr1v3r | and as far as i am aware its to get incoming mail |
| 09:24.15 | noogie | and i think it may have something to do with the board being a ddr instead of sdr board |
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| 09:24.21 | chugga | death to debian |
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| 09:24.29 | Guerin | !anyone use a USB2.0 hub? |
| 09:24.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses a USB2.0 hub, not even the people who use it. |
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| 09:24.58 | Gnea | dr1v3r: right, fetchmail will get email from a remote host and archive it on the host you run it on |
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| 09:27.25 | dr1v3r | Gnea so say if i wanted to read the mail through my outlook, is there any specific things i need to install to do that? |
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| 09:27.39 | dr1v3r | or should i say anything extra that i would need to install |
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| 09:28.07 | Gnea | dr1v3r: then you'd need a pop server to retrieve the email from the system running exim4 |
| 09:28.25 | noogie | oh well 1.25gb will have to be good enough |
| 09:28.42 | noogie | not like the extra 256 is going to make much oif a diff anyway |
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| 09:29.12 | dr1v3r | ahh i see |
| 09:29.33 | blenda | i'm trying to compile libogg 1.1.3 but the debian rules are a little strange. when i issue "fakeroot debian/rules binary" it results in libogg0_1.1.1-1_i386.deb and libogg-dev_1.1.1-1_i386.deb, when it should be 1.1.3 and not 1.1.1 |
| 09:29.38 | dr1v3r | so then i would not need fetchmail then will i? |
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| 09:29.54 | blenda | can i fix this by just editing the version numbers in debian/files? |
| 09:30.17 | Gnea | fetchmail is like outlook |
| 09:30.25 | Gnea | but fetchmail is not a reader |
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| 09:31.47 | Guerin | fetchmail is *nothing* like outlook |
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| 09:31.54 | dongdong | how are u |
| 09:32.20 | dr1v3r | ok sorry about this, but this is what i need my box to do. able to send mail, but reading my mail i need to do from my outlook and not store any mails on the deb box? |
| 09:32.21 | zOap_ | at all. who is using fetchmail and outlook in the same sentence??:) |
| 09:32.21 | k31th | Morning guys and girls (maybe) |
| 09:32.21 | Gnea | right |
| 09:32.30 | Guerin | dr1v3r: u are between y and i |
| 09:32.33 | dr1v3r | my deb box is accessed by SSH only |
| 09:32.51 | Guerin | dr1v3r: sorry |
| 09:32.53 | Gnea | dr1v3r: then you want nohting. |
| 09:32.55 | Gnea | nothing |
| 09:32.58 | dr1v3r | that si possible to do isnt it? |
| 09:32.58 | Guerin | dongdong: u are between y and i |
| 09:32.59 | k31th | dr1v3r: dude dont use lookout |
| 09:33.14 | dr1v3r | *is |
| 09:33.15 | dongdong | ok |
| 09:33.33 | Gnea | cracksmokers! |
| 09:33.37 | Guerin | dr1v3r: wtf? |
| 09:33.41 | dongdong | where are you from? |
| 09:33.50 | k31th | afgan ? |
| 09:33.53 | dr1v3r | Guerin? |
| 09:34.01 | Guerin | dr1v3r: run a pop3d on your debian box, and set lookout to delete downloaded messages |
| 09:34.02 | devazion | lårens vik? |
| 09:34.14 | Gnea | !english |
| 09:34.15 | dpkg | somebody said english was a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 09:34.23 | Guerin | dr1v3r: but you simply cannot avoid storing mail on a mail server. That's what they do. |
| 09:34.55 | k31th | yeah thats right WE made the lang you all speak. Deal with it |
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| 09:35.00 | Gnea | dr1v3r: no, the deb server needs to store the email. if you tell your outlook to delete the email from the server once it's been retrieved (or fetched) then it won't be there |
| 09:35.03 | k31th | and you lot cant spell colour :p |
| 09:35.08 | dongdong | english? |
| 09:35.09 | peterS | k31th: and you can't spell keith |
| 09:35.10 | dr1v3r | thats fine, i justthought there might have been an easier way to delete messages other than do it manually |
| 09:35.17 | noogie | peterS: i appreciate you taking the time to try and help me, thanks |
| 09:35.21 | k31th | peterS: keith was taken |
| 09:35.24 | Gnea | !troll dongdong |
| 09:35.41 | dr1v3r | but i can just delete them manually thats fine |
| 09:35.44 | peterS | noogie: it's a frustrating set of problems you have, I only wish I could offer anything other than vague "uh, probably hardware, but who knows" |
| 09:35.50 | Gnea | well that's stupid |
| 09:35.58 | Gnea | dr1v3r: have you not ever used outlook? |
| 09:36.44 | dr1v3r | yea i have used outlook only to send and receive mail, |
| 09:36.55 | dr1v3r | you are talking about MS outlook right? |
| 09:37.19 | Gnea | dude, what other outlook is there? |
| 09:37.46 | dr1v3r | i dont know, there could have been one for debian that i did not know about :D |
| 09:37.53 | dr1v3r | i dont know debian that good |
| 09:37.55 | Gnea | no. |
| 09:37.58 | dr1v3r | lol |
| 09:37.58 | fireba11 | Gnea: noone else would be stupid enough to name a mail program outlook .. besides the fact that they would get sued to a tiny cubican |
| 09:38.25 | Gnea | fireba11: lack of education would easily make that happen |
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| 09:39.49 | zOap_ | dr1v3r: there is several mail programs that do the same job as Outlook, apt-cache search mail reader, and try a few |
| 09:39.55 | Gnea | dr1v3r: by default, outlook will delete email from a remote server, iirc |
| 09:40.23 | Gnea | zOap_: but obviously he plans on using windows as a mail reader platform |
| 09:40.25 | noogie | peterS: its got to be hardware, or it would be a known issue |
| 09:40.35 | dr1v3r | zOap i access the box by ssh only i dont have any sort of console |
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| 09:40.45 | peterS | noogie: probably but not certainly |
| 09:40.48 | fireba11 | Gnea: wrong .. outlook default is to keep mail 7 days on the server .. on some versions at least ... |
| 09:40.49 | zOap_ | Gnea: Whoops, then my sympathy is retracted |
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| 09:41.03 | Gnea | dr1v3r: ssh gives you a terminal. |
| 09:41.25 | dr1v3r | ahhh i did not know that, sorry zOap |
| 09:41.33 | Gnea | fireba11: which leads to the email being deleted, by default. |
| 09:41.33 | fireba11 | noogie: just joined a while ago .. can you give me a brief summary of your problems ? |
| 09:41.41 | fireba11 | Gnea: true |
| 09:41.43 | zOap_ | np |
| 09:41.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:43.38 | noogie | fireba11: i dont think theres a way to be brief about it really |
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| 09:45.05 | Shadur | Hrm. faac and faad aren't compiled for gst 0.10 yet. :( |
| 09:45.09 | noogie | fireba11: with 2.6.8-2-686-smp and 1.5GB ram installed i get http://channels.debian.net/paste/1755, and with 2.4.27-2-686-smp and 1.5GB i get http://channels.debian.net/paste/1754, both with less that 1.5G work fine |
| 09:45.50 | fireba11 | noogie: ouch |
| 09:45.58 | fireba11 | noogie: you checked your ram, right ? |
| 09:46.43 | noogie | yea, doesnt matter which modules i use, any configuration of them > 1.5 works any = 1.5 doesnt, all chips worked in previous applications |
| 09:47.02 | noogie | i think its the motherboard probably |
| 09:47.11 | ootput | has anyone successfully gotten a usb-audio device (lowspeed) connected to a usb hub (highspeed) to work? |
| 09:47.17 | dr1v3r | Gnea so dovecot would be ok for the pop3d right? |
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| 09:48.52 | tyreth | how can I tell what package a particular file was installed from? |
| 09:49.21 | Gnea | noogie: that looks like hardware failure - how many sticks of ram? |
| 09:49.39 | Gnea | tyreth: dpkg -S /path/to/the/file |
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| 09:51.44 | peterS | Gnea: he's got 2x512 and 2x256, for a total of 1.5 GB. with just 2x512 and 1x256 it works. |
| 09:52.01 | Gnea | peterS: probably a bad dimm |
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| 09:52.11 | noogie | or 2 256 and 1 512 or 2 512 |
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| 09:52.30 | Gnea | noogie: are you familiar with knoppix, kanotix or memtest? |
| 09:52.34 | noogie | anyway, i built this kernel package, but, how do i build the kernel headers package for it? |
| 09:52.43 | noogie | make-kpkg kernel_header? |
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| 09:54.24 | Gnea | if you've got the source installed then the headers are there |
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| 09:55.49 | jebstark | hello. I would like to open up port 80 on one computer within my LAN with iptables - how could I do that? |
| 09:57.02 | dr1v3r | anyone know a good easy tut for dovecot-pop3d setup please? i have just had a quick look on google but nothing jumps out at me |
| 09:57.15 | dr1v3r | a tut for an utter idiot would be best :D |
| 09:58.02 | Gnea | dr1v3r: dovecot is EASY - just edit the /etc/dovecot/* config files |
| 09:58.09 | dr1v3r | is that it? |
| 09:58.13 | Gnea | yup |
| 09:58.18 | dr1v3r | ohhh cool, thanks :D |
| 09:58.19 | Gnea | edit, save, restart |
| 09:58.41 | Gnea | it's self-documented |
| 09:59.15 | dr1v3r | so what protocol would i use? pop3 or pop3s? |
| 09:59.27 | Gnea | just use pop3 |
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| 09:59.36 | dr1v3r | ok thanks |
| 09:59.42 | Gnea | pop3s is a secure version which involves setting up certificates and whatnot |
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| 10:01.25 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:01.26 | dpkg | i heard qotd112 is <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
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| 10:02.43 | EdLin | !beer tarzeau |
| 10:02.51 | plbgnr | hello, I have executable file and want to know which package is it from ...is it possible? |
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| 10:02.58 | peterS | plbgnr: dpkg -S |
| 10:02.58 | resiak | plbgnr: dpkg -S |
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| 10:03.18 | plbgnr | thanks |
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| 10:04.20 | ootput | has anyone successfully gotten a usb-audio device (lowspeed) connected to a usb hub (highspeed) to work? |
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| 10:05.58 | tiCo89 | hmmm |
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| 10:06.12 | tiCo89 | is it possible to install debian sarge on a HP netserver lh3? |
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| 10:06.22 | deadcat | ootput: any new screenshots? |
| 10:06.25 | tiCo89 | the taid controller doesn't work |
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| 10:09.48 | ootput | deadcat: hehe, no. |
| 10:10.01 | ootput | deadcat: i don't think i can top this ion3 setup :) |
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| 10:11.24 | streuner_ | Doesn't ion3 look like a black hole? ;-) |
| 10:11.58 | streuner_ | ootput: just show me your screenshot |
| 10:12.13 | deadcat | streuner_: http://metawire.org/~ootput/gallery/ |
| 10:13.14 | ootput | streuner_: it does :) |
| 10:13.38 | ootput | streuner_: and it sucks you in quite well |
| 10:14.06 | devazion | ootput: you sure use small fonts in your consoles... what res and screensize are you on? |
| 10:14.38 | ootput | 1024x768, 17inch iirc |
| 10:15.05 | ootput | devazion: i've since gone to proggy clean with a single-frame setup |
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| 10:16.59 | deadcat | damn qemu sucks. hella slow to boot a livecd iso |
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| 10:17.43 | hawking | I have some php scripts and I want to run them from command line.. what package do i need? |
| 10:17.55 | deadcat | php5-cli |
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| 10:18.22 | hawking | thx |
| 10:18.28 | Garda | deadcat: is that with the kernel module? |
| 10:18.37 | deadcat | Garda: the qemu package |
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| 10:19.08 | damn_me | Newbie here. Here is the question: Can BASH use a SOCKET file for community? |
| 10:19.13 | Garda | deadcat: there's a non-gpl kernel module that makes qemu a little faster |
| 10:19.27 | Garda | like mabey only double speed |
| 10:19.38 | dr1v3r | Gnea do i need to edit the IMAP login process section in the config file with me using pop3? |
| 10:19.52 | deadcat | Garda: i try compiling the kqemu crap. but it bitch at gcc4+ |
| 10:20.17 | damn_me | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.25 | Gnea | dr1v3r: if you're using pop3, what do you need imap for? |
| 10:20.27 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 10:20.28 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:20.37 | azeem | damn_me: ask in #bash |
| 10:21.01 | damn_me | azeem, oh sorry |
| 10:21.11 | azeem | or read its documentation |
| 10:21.57 | dr1v3r | there is a section inthe config file called " IMAP login process " do i need to edit anything thing in thi ssection? |
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| 10:24.54 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: please do us a favour and get soem basic knowledge about what you are doing ebvore asking questions here |
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| 10:25.45 | dr1v3r | what is the point in having help channels if people in them are just idiots |
| 10:26.13 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: it seems to me the only idiot here is you .. there are loads of how-tos and manuals online, use them ! |
| 10:26.21 | dr1v3r | and fireba11 unless u got help for my wuestion dont say anything |
| 10:26.37 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: we are here for problems the documentations doesn't cover or you're not able to find where to read it up |
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| 10:26.57 | dr1v3r | well not everyone can grasb docs |
| 10:27.08 | dr1v3r | so get a grip and help me if not shut up |
| 10:27.19 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: asking about IMAP when you want to use POP3 just proves you don't have the slightest clue about wat you are doing there |
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| 10:27.43 | Gnea | fireba11: back off. |
| 10:27.48 | dr1v3r | exactly, thats why i am here, bloody hell how much more simpler can it be |
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| 10:28.05 | Gnea | dr1v3r: just don't load the imap bit at the beginning of the file and you don't have to worry about the rest of it |
| 10:28.12 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Message_Access_Protocol |
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| 10:28.37 | dr1v3r | thanks Gnea it is appreciated truely |
| 10:28.45 | Gnea | np |
| 10:30.53 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: i don't have problems with you asking questions ... it's jsut that IMAP and POP3 are alternative methods to access your mail so you need only one if you don't set up a public server ... and that is really easy to find out |
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| 10:37.42 | ronin | opers are busy this morning i see |
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| 10:38.11 | wajig|sarge | !split |
| 10:38.11 | dpkg | methinks split is what the name says, it splits files into pieces. split --bytes=1400000 FILE FILE_ to split; cat FILE_* > FILE to merge. |
| 10:38.26 | wajig|sarge | !irc-split |
| 10:38.45 | petemc | that doesnt look like a split |
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| 10:38.53 | ronin | it wasnt a net split |
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| 10:40.00 | xlotlu | looked more like an attempt to bot-flood |
| 10:40.07 | Alam_Debian | spambots? DIE! |
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| 10:41.43 | xlotlu | yey, 10 hours and 2 successful "remote" debootstrap installs |
| 10:41.52 | nimak | :-) |
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| 10:43.24 | xlotlu | gotta love this, tell the guys on the other side of the world to throw in a knoppix cd, start ssh, and i install debian |
| 10:44.02 | Garda | what does D-line mean? |
| 10:44.55 | xlotlu | ban on ip mask |
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| 10:46.17 | Garda | why are there people out there trying to flood the channel with bots |
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| 10:46.31 | Matt-H | Garda: they have nothing better to do |
| 10:46.32 | ronin | Garda: lack of personel life |
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| 10:46.53 | Garda | and how do the ops know to D-line them |
| 10:47.02 | Garda | i'm guessing some kinda script |
| 10:47.05 | xlotlu | it's just the way of the universe, light and dark, yin and yang, good and evil you know |
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| 10:47.46 | Garda | but like is it some crazy BSD fans or something |
| 10:48.21 | Garda | or just spambots wanting to teach us about penis enlargements |
| 10:48.26 | Matt-H | I have Joins and quits on ignore so didn't see how bad it was |
| 10:48.31 | xlotlu | nah, i think they're fedora fans |
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| 10:48.47 | Garda | lol |
| 10:49.17 | Garda | is it bad to say lol |
| 10:49.22 | Garda | dpkg abuses me |
| 10:49.24 | Garda | !lol |
| 10:49.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:49.29 | wajig|sarge | na, must be that fanatic kubuntu-scientology-google-illuminati thing *g* |
| 10:49.49 | threat | !aol |
| 10:49.49 | dpkg | i guess aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 10:50.02 | Matt-H | aol... what a joke |
| 10:50.03 | threat | !sony |
| 10:50.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sony is a very screwed up company, or someday you will drive your sony to the sony to pick up some more sony |
| 10:50.22 | threat | !company |
| 10:50.27 | nimak | hahah, scientology |
| 10:50.36 | Garda | threat: you broke him |
| 10:50.41 | Garda | !hi |
| 10:50.41 | dpkg | hello, garda |
| 10:50.50 | Garda | i guess he's ok |
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| 10:50.57 | threat | !scientology |
| 10:50.57 | dpkg | [scientology] a mental disorder :) |
| 10:51.01 | threat | hehe |
| 10:51.04 | Garda | haha |
| 10:51.13 | nimak | !penis enlargement |
| 10:51.17 | Garda | morning bobbens |
| 10:51.23 | bobbens | ola |
| 10:51.25 | threat | nimak, scinetology is great! I have learnt that I am un happy with my self because I have aliens attached to me |
| 10:51.30 | wajig|sarge | what was the channel topic? |
| 10:51.53 | blenda | lol - testing |
| 10:51.55 | threat | nimak, I am going to write out a check to the church of scientology right now so they can tell me more and perhaps help me out |
| 10:51.56 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 10:51.56 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 10:52.25 | threat | !lame |
| 10:52.25 | dpkg | somebody said lame was : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 10:52.35 | Garda | who do i talk to if i want debian to be called bender |
| 10:52.49 | wajig|sarge | threat, maybe -- but the will force you to use xp and see john travolta movies over and over again |
| 10:52.54 | nimak | !kill PeterS |
| 10:52.55 | Garda | the next release of debian i mean |
| 10:53.13 | peterS | threat, nimak: please stop. do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 10:53.18 | sep | Garda, bender from futurama ? he's not in toystory tho. |
| 10:53.23 | Garda | i know |
| 10:53.24 | bbrazil | Garda: bender wasn't a character from Toy Story |
| 10:53.29 | threat | peterS, apt-get install scientology |
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| 10:53.33 | peterS | Garda: you'd have to talk to the release managers. they are unlikely to listen to you. |
| 10:53.36 | Garda | but like i want it to be called bender anyway |
| 10:53.42 | peterS | threat: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 10:53.48 | sep | Garda, i guess you can try when all the toystory charackters are used up. |
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| 10:54.16 | Garda | mabey they can change that |
| 10:54.30 | Garda | cos think about it. there's some great release names there |
| 10:54.31 | sep | Garda, you'r free to make your own distro based on debian and call it bender if you realy need it... but i think the pain of maintaining the beast is just not worth it :) |
| 10:54.32 | nimak | peterS: actually, i do, i cant play videos very well, i get really weird distortion and ugly colors on the left of the video, happens with totem and vcl |
| 10:54.39 | Garda | bender, fry, lela |
| 10:54.41 | Garda | zoiberg |
| 10:54.59 | Henry_Bean | hi, people, i have a problem with nvidia-glx package... it tries to remove xserver-xorg and other X stuff for installing. It happens since my last upgrade a few days ago. I'm in sid |
| 10:55.07 | Garda | flexo |
| 10:55.22 | Henry_Bean | any idea, somebody is getting the same problem? |
| 10:56.29 | ronin | Henry_Bean: ya dont run sid ;) |
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| 10:56.57 | Henry_Bean | ronin, too late xD |
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| 10:58.00 | Garda | sep: that's pretty funny. have that as the description on distrowatch. "Gardax: basically just exactly the same as debian, just that releases are named after Futurama characters instead of Toy Story" |
| 10:58.01 | ram_einstein | could anyone suggest a nice webcrawler? |
| 10:58.09 | pinks | I need some pointers on what to read up to learn how to connect 2 laptops by 9-pin serial cable - one debian and one XP |
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| 10:59.37 | EdLin | ram_einstein: look on CPAN if you do Perl |
| 10:59.46 | peterS | pinks: start by making sure your 9-pin cable is a "null modem", not a straight wired cable |
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| 11:00.04 | pinks | peterS: how do I check that? |
| 11:00.21 | nimak | pinks: got a multimeter? |
| 11:00.25 | pinks | yes |
| 11:00.47 | pinks | the cable is female to male |
| 11:00.50 | dr1v3r | anyon ehave any idea on why i receive this error after just setting up a pop3 mail server? Unrouteable address |
| 11:00.51 | EdLin | !beer pinks |
| 11:01.08 | peterS | pinks: pin 2 either does or doesn't go straight through to pin 2. with a null modem it doesn't. that's the simple way to tell, I suppose |
| 11:01.08 | wifime | trying to get my Belkin card to work with Ralink rt2500 driver. LEDs no light. anyone using this wlan card? |
| 11:01.14 | pinks | EdLin: cheers -- hic...... |
| 11:01.15 | ram_einstein | EdLin, CPAN eh? I'll look |
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| 11:01.59 | pinks | peterS: which way are the pins numbereed? |
| 11:02.02 | EdLin | ram_einstein: ICYDK, searching CPAN is where you'll find it, not the name of the module |
| 11:02.19 | EdLin | pinks: that was for the affirmative answer for multimeter ownership |
| 11:02.28 | peterS | pinks: usually the numbers are printed really small next to the pins themselves |
| 11:02.36 | pinks | sheesh |
| 11:02.48 | wifime | anyone using Belkin F5D7000 wlan card? |
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| 11:03.16 | EdLin | !anyone uses a Belkin F5D7000? |
| 11:03.16 | d4d0|work | hi there, is this the best howto for building a custom netinstaller with an own kernel image? :http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 11:03.35 | pinks | peterS: you're right :D |
| 11:03.45 | pinks | let me check |
| 11:03.49 | peterS | pinks: looking at a female plug in this orientation \___/, pin 1 is top right, pin 6 is bottom right, pin 5 is top left, pin 9 is bottom left |
| 11:04.01 | EdLin | phoey, dpkg isn't cooperating |
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| 11:04.27 | wifime | EdLin: ? |
| 11:05.00 | EdLin | wifime: instead of polling the channel, describe your problem. |
| 11:05.07 | peterS | pinks: as you'd probably guess, the male pinout is mirror image of that, so looking at a male end \____/, you have 1 2 3 4 5 on top row, 6 7 8 9 on bottom row |
| 11:05.16 | wifime | i have done it a few lines back. |
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| 11:06.29 | EdLin | wifime: I see, less than two minutes before you repeated the poll, albeit with a "doesn't work" description |
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| 11:08.29 | wifime | don't know what u r talking about. if you can't help, STFU, GFY. |
| 11:08.32 | iciclebox | how do start xorg? |
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| 11:08.50 | EdLin | !u |
| 11:08.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:08.56 | EdLin | !r |
| 11:08.57 | dpkg | from memory, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
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| 11:09.42 | d4d0|work | EdLin: stop that bs |
| 11:09.51 | pinks | peterS: it seems to be straight wired |
| 11:09.56 | d4d0|work | its kinda old... |
| 11:10.21 | peterS | pinks: then you can't use it, without a null modem. a null modem crosses the wires so that the "send" and "receive" pins are swapped |
| 11:10.22 | EdLin | d4d0|work: the floggings will continue until morale improves |
| 11:10.40 | peterS | pinks: think about it: you can't have both computers trying to "send" on the same pins, and "receive" on the same pins |
| 11:11.08 | pinks | peterS: understood |
| 11:11.14 | pinks | let me check another cable |
| 11:11.24 | nimak | pinks: get a null modem adaptor, radioshack has them i think |
| 11:11.33 | peterS | pinks: I bought a 9-pin null modem cable on ebay for something like $3 including shipping. buying them new is a great deal more expensive |
| 11:11.35 | azeem | dpkg: no, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 11:11.35 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
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| 11:12.33 | EdLin | azeem: you're taking the fun out of the factoids. ;-) |
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| 11:12.48 | azeem | EdLin: I'm taking the fun back into this chan |
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| 11:13.13 | nimak | wow, lots of people here now |
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| 11:15.13 | EdLin | azeem: part of the fun of the channel is the colourful sayings of dpkg. IMHO |
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| 11:15.57 | azeem | EdLin: so calling people who abbreviate are to r MORONS is fun to you? |
| 11:16.15 | azeem | EdLin: think about whether this is fun for everybody, or just a minority |
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| 11:16.27 | EdLin | azeem: in its context, its humorous |
| 11:16.36 | peterS | !' |
| 11:16.37 | dpkg | How to Use Apostrophes: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif |
| 11:16.41 | peterS | EdLin: ^^^ |
| 11:16.50 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 11:16.57 | EdLin | peterS: heh |
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| 11:17.19 | pinks | peterS: what pin does 2 connect to on the other end of a crossed serial cable? |
| 11:17.37 | peterS | pinks: I can't remember offhand, but it's very easy to google for |
| 11:17.45 | peterS | pinks: I'm thinking pin 3, but I'm probably wrong |
| 11:17.48 | Dustbuster | wheres all the ops? O.o |
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| 11:18.15 | nimak | pinks: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Nullmodem.png |
| 11:18.42 | Gnea | azeem: who cares about the majority? |
| 11:19.07 | pinks | nimak: ta |
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| 11:19.34 | azeem | Gnea: people who care about the social contract |
| 11:20.32 | nimak | Dustbuster: are you new to debian? |
| 11:20.35 | EdLin | peterS: I'd note that the URL of the apostrophe factoid says "MORONS". Don't let azeem know that. ;-) |
| 11:20.38 | Dustbuster | nope |
| 11:21.01 | pinks | peterS: ok - got a crossed serial cable here now |
| 11:21.04 | Dustbuster | http://soab.sbb.me.uk/phpsysinfo |
| 11:21.25 | Dustbuster | hmm |
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| 11:21.27 | Dustbuster | its down |
| 11:21.29 | Dustbuster | O.o |
| 11:21.36 | nimak | :-P |
| 11:22.04 | Gnea | azeem: what social contract? |
| 11:22.04 | Gnea | azeem: if the majority wants respect, it needs to earn it. |
| 11:22.04 | peterS | pinks: first google hit for "serial null modem pinout" looks good |
| 11:22.29 | pinks | peterS: ok |
| 11:22.57 | d4d0|work | anybody created a custom netinstaller ? |
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| 11:23.06 | peterS | pinks: ok so Windows XP has a serial terminal program ... what it's called I can't recall offhand, but it's on Accessories / Communication or similar |
| 11:23.41 | nimak | peterS: theres a non-microsoft one thats better, but i forgot the name |
| 11:23.45 | EdLin | Gnea: I called the r and u factoids after the person cursed me out for telling him how to help us help him with his problem, and not to repeat every 2 minutes. |
| 11:23.46 | Dustbuster | ahh |
| 11:23.49 | peterS | pinks: at the linux end, edit /etc/inittab and uncomment the T0 definition, possibly customizing it a bit, and then do 'telinit q' to reread the file |
| 11:23.53 | nimak | probably better* |
| 11:24.10 | Dustbuster | nimak: spelling error :P http://soap.sbb.me.uk/phpsysinfo |
| 11:24.20 | EdLin | (and of course, he said "u r") |
| 11:24.23 | Gnea | EdLin: oh, then you're in the right |
| 11:24.29 | peterS | pinks: talking about the line that runs 'getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100'. you might want to adjust the parameters to run at 19200 baud instead of 9600 baud, for example, and do the same on the winxp end |
| 11:24.50 | pinks | peterS: cool |
| 11:25.00 | EdLin | Gnea: /last wifime |
| 11:25.00 | pinks | will it not go any faster? |
| 11:25.06 | peterS | pinks: also, pay attention to ttyS0 vs. ttyS1 (those are your first two serial ports) |
| 11:25.24 | nimak | Dustbuster: /me installs on his server computer, this looks usefull |
| 11:25.27 | peterS | pinks: you can go at 38400 baud or faster, but unless you have flow control working correctly, it won't work well |
| 11:25.53 | peterS | pinks: finally, make sure the linux kernel module 'serial' is loaded |
| 11:26.15 | nimak | Dustbuster: nice computer, btw |
| 11:26.22 | pinks | peterS: ok - I'll get my head into that now - - many thnaks for the help |
| 11:26.31 | peterS | pinks: ...or is it called generic_serial now in kernel 2.6 - looks like it may be |
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| 11:26.57 | pinks | peterS: how do I tell if my kernel has it already? |
| 11:27.11 | peterS | pinks: hmm, no, generic_serial is something else. I think recent kernels have PC serial port support compiled in already |
| 11:27.19 | dr1v3r | Gnea what ports will i need to open on my firewall for this pop3 server? |
| 11:27.23 | Dustbuster | nimak: thanks.. its a dedicated server :P |
| 11:27.23 | peterS | pinks: you can tell with 'grep ttyS /proc/devices', it will be minor number 4 |
| 11:27.28 | EdLin | pinks: lsmod |
| 11:27.48 | peterS | EdLin: not necessarily, see my answer |
| 11:28.05 | Gnea | dr1v3r: netstat -nap | grep dovecot <-- run that as root, look for the LISTENING lines, those would be the ports |
| 11:28.07 | nimak | Dustbuster: omfghax? :-) |
| 11:28.13 | Dustbuster | ? |
| 11:28.16 | Gnea | dr1v3r: they should match up in /etc/services |
| 11:28.25 | pinks | peterS: grep ttyS /proc/devices |
| 11:28.26 | pinks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.42 | pinks | is that ok? |
| 11:28.46 | Schwarz | hi |
| 11:28.47 | nimak | Dustbuster: the web root directory |
| 11:28.48 | peterS | pinks: you have it already then. so just uncomment that line in /etc/inittab and run 'telinit q' and you're ready to connect |
| 11:29.02 | pinks | nice one m8 |
| 11:29.04 | Dustbuster | nimak: what about it? |
| 11:29.07 | pinks | I'll be back later |
| 11:29.18 | peterS | pinks: you can also run 'dmesg | grep ttyS' to see if the kernel detected them at boot time, it should say they are 16550s or similar |
| 11:29.20 | nimak | nothing, just an interesting line in there |
| 11:29.21 | Dustbuster | oooh |
| 11:29.24 | Dustbuster | i see |
| 11:29.26 | Dustbuster | lol |
| 11:29.31 | Dustbuster | its just a page i put on |
| 11:29.39 | Dustbuster | so it wasnt blank =p |
| 11:29.43 | nimak | what do you use the server for? |
| 11:30.00 | Dustbuster | http://soap.sbb.me.uk/~cs1/stats |
| 11:30.01 | pinks | peterS: dmesg | grep ttyS |
| 11:30.01 | pinks | ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 11:30.20 | peterS | pinks: that's it. 16550A is the most common type of serial interface |
| 11:30.33 | pinks | looking good then ? |
| 11:30.58 | peterS | pinks: yes, just fire up the winxp terminal program and set the baud rate to whatever you said in inittab and hit enter once or twice to get its attention |
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| 11:31.02 | d4d0|work | is there a dev channel for debian? |
| 11:31.12 | azeem | d4d0|work: why? |
| 11:31.20 | EdLin | d4d0|work: #debian-devel |
| 11:31.24 | d4d0|work | azeem: because im interested in that |
| 11:31.28 | d4d0|work | EdLin: thanks |
| 11:31.29 | pinks | peterS: many thanks |
| 11:31.37 | peterS | pinks: if the winxp setup screen says anything about stop bits and parity and stuff, set it to 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity |
| 11:31.43 | azeem | d4d0|work: #debian-devel is for development, not random questions |
| 11:31.47 | peterS | pinks: this is probably the default already, it's what most people use |
| 11:31.58 | pinks | ok |
| 11:32.02 | d4d0|work | azeem: i am trying to dev something... |
| 11:32.27 | azeem | 12:16 < d4d0|work> anybody created a custom netinstaller ? |
| 11:32.45 | pinks | peterS: and how do I get the XP machine to connect to the internet through the debian machine |
| 11:32.48 | azeem | it it is about this, I believe there exists some stuff in the install manual |
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| 11:33.00 | iciclebox | how do I clear the list of packages that as a result of apt-get update? |
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| 11:33.07 | peterS | pinks: oh if you want an internet connection that way, you'll have to set up PPP instead of just getty |
| 11:33.17 | pinks | yea |
| 11:33.18 | azeem | iciclebox: can you rephrase that question? |
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| 11:33.29 | pinks | any hints on that |
| 11:33.31 | peterS | pinks: that involves installing ppp on the debian box and configuring it to use ttyS0, and then configuring the winxp machine to use ppp through com1 but without any modem settings |
| 11:33.33 | Dustbuster | bah |
| 11:33.40 | d4d0|work | azeem: im asking that way because i know, that most people here dont even know what a netinstaller is.. |
| 11:33.57 | peterS | pinks: setting up a ppp *server* on debian, I have not done. so I can't help much. but it involves the ppp package, one way or another. |
| 11:33.58 | dr1v3r | Gnea netstat -nap | grep dovecot did not doanything it just jumped straight back to the prompt |
| 11:34.09 | nimak | d4d0|work: yes, we do |
| 11:34.22 | pinks | peterS: ok - I'll apt-get that |
| 11:34.27 | azeem | d4d0|work: unless you have a patch or a bug report, you shouldn't ask in #debian-devel |
| 11:34.38 | iciclebox | azeem: apt-get update will store a list of packages on my computer. I want to remove that list. basically I want to install 'stable' programs, but I did an apt-get update with 'testing' in my sources.list |
| 11:34.39 | azeem | eh, you shouldn't ask in case of bug reports either |
| 11:34.44 | pinks | peterS: nad rtfm ;-) |
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| 11:34.53 | peterS | yeah, good luck |
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| 11:35.05 | peterS | pinks: I'd recommend doing the terminal / getty thing first, to make sure the cable works and stuff like that |
| 11:35.06 | azeem | iciclebox: so rename testing to stable in sources.list and run apt-get update again |
| 11:35.11 | pinks | any hints on how to do the XP end of ppp |
| 11:35.11 | d4d0|work | azeem: stop begging me please |
| 11:35.24 | azeem | hrm? |
| 11:35.29 | iciclebox | azeem: oh. I was thinking debian would get the latest version |
| 11:35.35 | peterS | pinks: no, we're not an XP support channel, and I personally don't have a windows machine to diddle with, so you're kind of on your own there |
| 11:35.38 | Gnea | dr1v3r: is it turned on? |
| 11:35.39 | pinks | peterS: ok - good plan - I'll do getty first |
| 11:35.40 | d4d0|work | i didn't ask you for advice azeem, did i? |
| 11:35.45 | pinks | lol |
| 11:35.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:35.52 | dpkg | somebody said qotd84 was <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
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| 11:35.54 | pinks | isn;t everyone on XP lmao |
| 11:36.22 | liable | hola |
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| 11:36.29 | peterS | not here, I can't afford a winxp machine |
| 11:36.31 | azeem | d4d0|work: you don't have to take my advice |
| 11:36.40 | EdLin | liable: hola, que tal? :-) |
| 11:36.40 | dr1v3r | oppss, i thought i had started it but gues now :( sorry lol |
| 11:36.43 | peterS | the one box I have that's capable of comfortably running XP is already running Debian full time |
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| 11:37.08 | peterS | along with other machines that can't run XP (: |
| 11:37.10 | liable | EdLin: holy shit! i dont anything but hola :) |
| 11:37.16 | pinks | one of my laptops is a dual boot Deb/XP |
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| 11:37.42 | EdLin | liable: I don't know all that much more, I only took a course or two in college. |
| 11:37.52 | pinks | but I need XP online at the same time to see what clients problems are |
| 11:38.06 | bibe | pinks : use qemu |
| 11:38.32 | liable | EdLin: would "yes" be the right answer? :) |
| 11:38.34 | d4d0|work | there is no need to run XP or some similar bullshit |
| 11:38.48 | peterS | pinks: you might think about using a usb "network cable" thingy between the two boxes, that's likely to be a lot less pain than PPP over serial cable |
| 11:39.01 | EdLin | liable: I kind of like answering "bastente bien", "rather well" |
| 11:39.15 | pinks | I don't have usb in one of the boxes :-( |
| 11:39.20 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 11:39.30 | liable | ah. :) |
| 11:39.34 | kijjaz-chaos | me now on fluxbox on debian (me newbie): how do i set up keyboard layouts and switching for X? or where can i read about that? thanks |
| 11:39.45 | jm_ | /msg dpkg keymap |
| 11:39.55 | iciclebox | why doesn't dpkg -l *x* show me anything about xserver? |
| 11:39.59 | peterS | the other option is to drop another ethernet card into the debian box and run an internal network with a hub or switch |
| 11:40.07 | iciclebox | it only shows exim, xml, xdm |
| 11:40.10 | peterS | that too is likely to be less headache than ppp, not that ppp doesn't work |
| 11:40.24 | pinks | yea - if it doesn;t work - I'll have to get a couple of pcmcia cards |
| 11:40.30 | kijjaz-chaos | jm_: wow thanks ^^" |
| 11:40.31 | iciclebox | dpkg -l kde-core |
| 11:40.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching kde-core |
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| 11:41.02 | pinks | but I'll go through some pain with ppp first 'cos i already have the cable and I'm a stingy old git !!! ;-) |
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| 11:41.30 | liable | meh, what happened to the s3cr3t dpkg packages.. |
| 11:41.34 | peterS | pinks: have fun then. you'll probably need to learn about not only a ppp server but setting up iptables for NAT, unless you have multiple public IP addresses floating around |
| 11:41.43 | EdLin | peterS: actually I vaguely recall reading somewhere that if you are using a serial cable that SLIP is better than PPP. |
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| 11:41.58 | peterS | EdLin: could be, maybe you can advise pinky. I haven't done either one |
| 11:42.08 | iciclebox | why doesn't dpkg -l *x* show me anything about xserver? |
| 11:42.10 | iciclebox | it only shows exim, xml, xdm |
| 11:42.11 | peterS | does debian have a slip server? |
| 11:42.16 | pinks | peterS: I have never done anything on linux that didn;t involve learning at least 2 other things ;-) |
| 11:42.23 | EdLin | peterS: I've never run SLIP, I do use PPP though, but as a client |
| 11:43.14 | EdLin | peterS: apt-cache SLIP didn't show anything of substance. |
| 11:43.25 | EdLin | er, apt-cache search SLIP |
| 11:43.35 | valdyn | iciclebox: try "*x*" |
| 11:43.52 | valdyn | iciclebox: otherwise the * will get expanded by your shell.. |
| 11:43.59 | iciclebox | valdyn: thank you |
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| 11:44.42 | iciclebox | valdyn: is there a way to remove x, and the stuff that came with it? like xterm. or do I do it one by one |
| 11:44.49 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 11:44.49 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 11:45.26 | valdyn | iciclebox: you have to track dependencies, or just know which package is common to all you want to be removed |
| 11:45.38 | jm_ | just remove xlibs |
| 11:45.52 | dr1v3r | Gnea any chance you could take a quick look at http://pastebin.com/543065 please as i am unsure of which ports i need to open up. I have opened port 110 but i see alot more ports but i do not know if they need opening or if it will be ok with just port 110 open |
| 11:45.59 | dr1v3r | i have changed the IP for posting purposes |
| 11:46.12 | valdyn | iciclebox: do you really want to not even be able to run X apps remotely though? |
| 11:46.32 | iciclebox | valdyn: I just want to do a clean reinstall of X |
| 11:46.38 | peterS | dr1v3r: you don't care about unix sockets, just TCP ones. what are you trying to do, anyway? |
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| 11:46.44 | valdyn | iciclebox: what dpkg said then |
| 11:47.00 | Tenkawa | nothing like running debian on a geode 266 mhz cpu |
| 11:47.01 | Tenkawa | rofl |
| 11:47.13 | dr1v3r | set my pop3 server up, its setup just needed to open the ports in my firewall |
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| 11:47.22 | dr1v3r | so just port 110 i need to open then? |
| 11:47.26 | valdyn | dr1v3r: opening is really the wrong term |
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| 11:47.35 | peterS | dr1v3r: yes unless you also support pop3-over-ssl, which uses a different port by default |
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| 11:47.52 | dr1v3r | no i have just normal pop3 no ssl :D |
| 11:48.03 | iciclebox | valdyn: well, most stuff is installed. just looking around to see if there's any left |
| 11:48.04 | peterS | dr1v3r: normal pop3 is just port 110. pop3s is port 995. |
| 11:48.09 | iciclebox | valdyn: i meant uninstalled |
| 11:48.27 | dr1v3r | great thanks peterS :D |
| 11:48.27 | valdyn | iciclebox: what dpkg said will remove everything |
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| 11:49.22 | iciclebox | valdyn: as in dpkg "*x*"? I only ran that to list, but I removed use aptitude |
| 11:49.39 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 11:49.39 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 11:49.43 | valdyn | iciclebox: ^^^ |
| 11:50.05 | iciclebox | oh |
| 11:50.10 | iciclebox | you meant the bot |
| 11:50.20 | iciclebox | yup, thanks |
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| 11:56.25 | widow | hi, I've registered my nickname with a password and also I've included a mail adress ... now when i try to register with identify xchat is giving the error message wrong password ... can I sent the password by mail to my inbox ? (the password is correct I wrote it on a peace of paper) |
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| 11:59.11 | iciclebox | how do I find out how much diskspace is used? and also see system information? |
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| 11:59.31 | fmarostica | How i install php5.1 + pear on the debian sarge? |
| 12:00.29 | widow | iciclebox: du -h |
| 12:00.54 | pinks | EdLin: did you mean me to use SLIP rather than PPP ? |
| 12:00.58 | widow | iciclebox: or you can see the whole with df |
| 12:01.02 | ootput_ | hi guys, would modifications limited to /etc/hosts suffice when one wants to create aliases for ip addresses on the network? |
| 12:01.06 | dr1v3r | anyone know where i could find the email servers on my box please? i forgot what my smtp one is :( |
| 12:01.21 | Tenkawa | Anyone want to take a guess at how long a 266 mhz cpu with 128 meg ram running on a mcro drive will take to compile a kernel *rofl* |
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| 12:01.50 | Tenkawa | 2.6 kernel even |
| 12:01.54 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: err . what ? please try to rephrase, i don't understand what you want .. ^^ |
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| 12:02.34 | dr1v3r | i dont know what my outgoing mail server is, where can i find this on my system? |
| 12:02.43 | dr1v3r | hope that helps, lol |
| 12:02.49 | aliumalik | wth is kotfare? |
| 12:03.00 | EdLin | pinks: I vaguely recall seeing that advice. Seeing that Debian doesn't have any SLIP programs I could find though you're probably better off with PPP |
| 12:03.02 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: default is exim4 in sarge |
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| 12:03.44 | pinks | EdLin: yea - ok - I'll through thepain of ppp for a while nd see hao it goes |
| 12:03.49 | pinks | thanks anyway |
| 12:03.50 | epsilon | kernel version question, is 2.6.<even number> stable tree and 2.6.<uneven number> testing? |
| 12:04.04 | tarzeau | epsilon: no |
| 12:04.06 | fmarostica | Someone can help-me with php5.1+pear on sarge? |
| 12:04.19 | tarzeau | epsilon: that doesn't exist anymore, and there's 2.6.n.n now |
| 12:04.32 | dr1v3r | it is all setup, but i am unable to send emails through my outlook. I can receive ok but not send. I have entered the wrong smtp server and need to find out what it is |
| 12:04.50 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: your isp is who? |
| 12:04.55 | dr1v3r | ntl |
| 12:05.00 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: try host -t mx ntl.com |
| 12:05.09 | epsilon | tarzeau: and why is 2.4.14 keep updated, while 2.6.15 is out? |
| 12:05.21 | tarzeau | epsilon: pardon? |
| 12:05.23 | pinks | dr1v3r: look in the bind record for the domain - if you know that much |
| 12:05.36 | tarzeau | epsilon: 2.4 doesn't get the new stuff, but 2.6 does |
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| 12:05.40 | dr1v3r | i dont pinks help me out please :D |
| 12:05.41 | tarzeau | epsilon: 2.4.14 is stone age |
| 12:05.54 | dr1v3r | . /etc/bind ?? |
| 12:05.57 | tarzeau | epsilon: i run 2.4.32 here , alternatively you can switch to 2.6.15.x |
| 12:06.00 | EdLin | epsilon: 2.2 and even 2.0 are still being updated |
| 12:06.14 | insidius | Does anyone know exactly what i have to do if i get a static ip from my isp? |
| 12:06.14 | epsilon | tarzeau: arg, i meanm 2.6.14 |
| 12:06.16 | pinks | dr1v3r: yes |
| 12:06.18 | tarzeau | EdLin: pity they won't run with debian anymore |
| 12:06.20 | dr1v3r | . /etc/init.d/bind ?? |
| 12:06.21 | dr1v3r | sorry |
| 12:06.28 | tarzeau | insidius: ask him |
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| 12:06.51 | tarzeau | epsilon: sorry i can not understand you |
| 12:06.58 | tarzeau | Linux linuks 2.4.31 #1 SMP Tue Jul 12 16:40:02 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:07.04 | tarzeau | gnaaa wrong host |
| 12:07.14 | tarzeau | GNU/kFreeBSD debian 5.4-1-486 #0 Mon Oct 17 21:40:46 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 12:07.17 | tarzeau | that's what i'm on |
| 12:07.24 | tarzeau | heh, and it's nice :) |
| 12:07.25 | epsilon | tarzeau: I'm wondering why 2.6.14.7 came out 31.Jan while 2.6.15 came out 3.Jan |
| 12:07.39 | tarzeau | epsilon: probably a typo? |
| 12:07.45 | tarzeau | epsilon: it's not going backwards afaik |
| 12:07.57 | peterS | epsilon: why not, 2.6.14 and 2.6.15 are different branches |
| 12:08.06 | aliumalik | what do people here think about webmin? |
| 12:08.07 | tarzeau | peterS: ah true |
| 12:08.14 | tarzeau | aliumalik: crap |
| 12:08.16 | pinks | dr1v3r: what did you find ? |
| 12:08.17 | peterS | aliumalik: way more trouble than it's worth |
| 12:08.22 | EdLin | !webmin |
| 12:08.22 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 12:08.30 | dr1v3r | nope my smtp mail server address is not in there |
| 12:08.35 | pinks | dr1v3r: do ls /etc/bind |
| 12:08.58 | aliumalik | then someone give me a guide to setup shorewall all those google find do not work and the site I used last time is hacked (how ironic) |
| 12:09.00 | pinks | dr1v3r: and see if you recognise any of the domains there |
| 12:09.40 | tarzeau | aliumalik: an packet firewall won't protect you from badly written network daemons |
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| 12:11.42 | aliumalik | tarzeau, then what would...it seems like somebody is doing an extensive portscan on my server :( |
| 12:11.55 | tarzeau | aliumalik: a portscan won't kill you |
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| 12:12.08 | tarzeau | !harden |
| 12:12.08 | dpkg | i guess harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 12:12.15 | tarzeau | aliumalik: check that document, and netstat is your friend |
| 12:12.33 | tarzeau | aliumalik: do you have local users other than you? |
| 12:12.48 | dr1v3r | there is no domains in there, I have looked through every file and can not see a domain in any of them :( |
| 12:13.10 | aliumalik | tarzeau, yes root, another admin, and me |
| 12:13.38 | tarzeau | aliumalik: that-s fine then, and what daemons does the thing run? |
| 12:13.43 | tarzeau | aliumalik: did you read harden-doc yet? |
| 12:14.32 | dr1v3r | by the way pink my deb box is not with me it is accessed by ssh only |
| 12:15.34 | aliumalik | tarzeau, I have done most of the things...esp the ssh part... |
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| 12:16.13 | pinks | dr1v3r: then there are no mailservers on your box |
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| 12:16.48 | pinks | dr1v3r: or are you using an outsourced dns service? |
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| 12:17.29 | pinks | dr1v3r: what is the domain name of the mailserver you were using? |
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| 12:19.19 | agustin | toma yaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:20.18 | d4d0|work | !kp mantra |
| 12:20.18 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 12:21.32 | epsilon | .oO (all he needs was "make all") |
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| 12:23.37 | dr1v3r | i can receive the mail ok in my outlook and when people sign up on the website it sends a confirmation email to them |
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| 12:24.03 | paroneayea | I can't do anything with apt, currently. no matter what it reports that |
| 12:24.09 | paroneayea | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 12:24.09 | paroneayea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.09 | paroneayea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.00 | paroneayea | apt-get -f install fails, returning the error " libfam0 conflicts with libfam0c102 |
| 12:25.00 | paroneayea | " |
| 12:25.05 | liable | paroneayea: dont forget where it tells you that you are probably running unstable.. |
| 12:25.37 | liable | or some other non-debian repo.. |
| 12:25.49 | paroneayea | well, I don't see any such warning |
| 12:26.04 | paroneayea | I'd like to just remove libfam0c102 if that is possible, but it won't let me |
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| 12:26.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:26.12 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:26.25 | liable | paroneayea: man dpkg /force |
| 12:27.25 | dr1v3r | does devcot send end receive mail or just receive? |
| 12:28.23 | dr1v3r | *dovecot |
| 12:29.17 | paroneayea | liable: whew, thanks :) |
| 12:29.39 | pinks | dr1v3r: what is the domain name of your pop server? |
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| 12:30.34 | dr1v3r | hardcore.relic.net |
| 12:31.21 | pinks | dr1v3r: have you tried that for smtp as well? |
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| 12:31.36 | HardBody | fds |
| 12:31.37 | HardBody | tantos |
| 12:31.38 | HardBody | :P |
| 12:31.49 | dr1v3r | yea tryoed smtp.hardcore.relic.net and mail.hardcore.relic.net and just hardcore.relic.net |
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| 12:32.29 | dr1v3r | does dovecot just receive mail or does it send and recicve? |
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| 12:33.02 | fireba11 | dr1v3r: it's a MTA |
| 12:33.14 | dr1v3r | i thought exim was the MTA |
| 12:34.08 | pinks | dr1v3r: do dig mx hardcore.relic.net |
| 12:34.30 | aliumalik | tarzeau, is there any site which can remotely scan my sustem for vulnerabilities |
| 12:34.31 | pinks | dr1v3r: and maybe dig mx hardcore.relic.net |
| 12:34.38 | aliumalik | system* |
| 12:34.48 | Zugschlus | !dpkg tell dr1v3r about dovecot |
| 12:34.49 | pinks | dr1v3r: and the same for relic.net |
| 12:35.06 | Zugschlus | fireba11: Dovecot is not an MTA |
| 12:35.07 | pinks | and you will see what the mailservers are |
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| 12:36.20 | pinks | dr1v3r: Dovecot is just for pop |
| 12:36.20 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: err .. sorry .. was a bit distracted when writing that |
| 12:36.20 | tarzeau | aliumalik: check nessus |
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| 12:36.21 | pinks | dr1v3r: the mailserver will be exim or sendmail or similar |
| 12:36.21 | Zugschlus | pinks: dovecot also does IMAP |
| 12:36.25 | ootput_ | is there an apt tool that displays the changelog of a package? |
| 12:36.29 | dr1v3r | the original host of relic.net is not hosted on this box it is somewhere else. i have a domain of hardcore.relic.net pointing to an IP of mine |
| 12:36.34 | dr1v3r | would this be a problem? |
| 12:36.38 | ootput_ | ah, nvm, apt-listchanges |
| 12:36.38 | Zugschlus | ootput_: aptitude can do that in interactive mode |
| 12:36.52 | pinks | Zugschlus: treu |
| 12:36.56 | pinks | *true |
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| 12:38.36 | dr1v3r | pink i see the nameservers for relic.net but thats it bud |
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| 12:38.50 | dusty | Hey guys, you know the banner program under /usr/games/banner im trying really hard to find the source code to this but can't anyone know where I may find it? |
| 12:39.30 | vulture | dusty: figured out which Debian package it's in? (hint: dpkg -S) |
| 12:39.31 | pinks | dr1v3r: ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 12:39.32 | pinks | relic.net. 3600 IN MX 10 mail.relic.net. |
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| 12:39.37 | vulture | dusty: then jus use "apt-get source" |
| 12:39.43 | dusty | thanks |
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| 12:40.01 | dr1v3r | hmm i didnt see that sorry |
| 12:40.37 | pinks | dr1v3r: that's all I see on that domain - so go for it |
| 12:40.54 | dr1v3r | but the mail is setup on hardcore.relic.net on my box not the relic.net |
| 12:41.35 | pinks | dr1v3r: sorry mate -i can;t do anymore than that |
| 12:41.41 | dusty | eloise:/home/dusty# dpkg -S | banner |
| 12:41.47 | dusty | vulture, doesn't return nout... |
| 12:42.01 | vulture | dusty: RTFM for dpkg perhaps.. |
| 12:42.11 | dusty | i've tried --serarch too |
| 12:42.32 | vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.32 | dpkg | You Fool! | --search filename-search-pattern is installed! |
| 12:42.33 | dr1v3r | thats ok thanks :D |
| 12:42.42 | vulture | note you failed to include any filename-search-pattern.. |
| 12:42.48 | dusty | eloise:/home/dusty# dpkg -S | --search banner |
| 12:42.49 | dusty | bash: --search: command not found |
| 12:42.53 | dusty | i told you i've done that already |
| 12:43.07 | vulture | No. The "|" in the synopsis means "either or" |
| 12:43.12 | vulture | so either use -S or --search |
| 12:43.20 | vulture | fireba11: yeah. Fun, isn't it? |
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| 12:43.27 | vulture | dusty: "dpkg -S banner" |
| 12:43.34 | vulture | you really ought to read "man man" |
| 12:43.39 | vulture | (and no, I'm not kidding) |
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| 12:44.07 | fireba11 | vulture: at least i'm not getting bored here |
| 12:44.12 | dusty | bsdmainutils: /usr/games/banner |
| 12:44.20 | dusty | so apt-source install bsdmainutils |
| 12:44.45 | fireba11 | hai |
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| 12:45.22 | pm_ | how can i limit the bandwidth of the users of my local network, i want limit to 10k/s for each user |
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| 12:45.31 | dusty | pm_, firewall. |
| 12:45.54 | fireba11 | pm_ poor users ... |
| 12:46.42 | pm_ | dusty im using iptables as firewall |
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| 12:47.03 | vulture | pm_: what's your definition of a "user" - a single computer/NIC? |
| 12:47.08 | Delgul_at_work | hmm... can I do echo "errormesg" > /dev/stderr when scripting or is there a better way of ding this? |
| 12:47.12 | dusty | i use openbsd pf for my firewall, not familiar with iptables search google for "Iptables bandwidth limiting" |
| 12:47.18 | vulture | pm_: basically you want to look for traffic shaping |
| 12:47.20 | pm_ | vulture yes |
| 12:47.36 | pm_ | traffic shaping |
| 12:47.40 | sep | !lartc |
| 12:47.40 | dpkg | i guess lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 12:49.00 | vulture | pm_: "apt-cache search traffic shaping". Seems shorewall (among other things) can do it. |
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| 12:50.32 | pm_ | vulture thanks |
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| 12:54.14 | dr1v3r | done it, i didnt have the smtp port open in FW :( |
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| 13:04.06 | strider | ! moo |
| 13:04.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 13:05.40 | nimak | hahahahahahaha |
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| 13:08.26 | matusz | are user preferences at this channel's wiki broken? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UserPreferences |
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| 13:09.11 | fireba11 | hm .. how to destroy a raid with mdadm ? man mdadm isn't helpful on that |
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| 13:10.02 | niels_ | hallo hat hier irgendjemand Ahnung von ISA Soundkarten? |
| 13:10.10 | fireba11 | !de |
| 13:10.10 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 13:10.44 | fhffhqvb | !dachs niels_ |
| 13:10.44 | dpkg | niels_: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 13:10.47 | niels_ | has anyone some kind of an idea of how to get isa soundcard installed on debian 3.1 sarge??? |
| 13:10.49 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 13:11.07 | fhffhqvb | niels_: you like pain, don't you |
| 13:11.12 | niels_ | why? |
| 13:11.14 | fhffhqvb | !isapnp |
| 13:11.14 | dpkg | it has been said that isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 13:11.33 | Pupeno | I have a processor in my hand, I know it is an Intel Pentium (probably 1), how can I find out ? I don't have a working computer to plug it in. |
| 13:11.38 | niels_ | well, guess what...I`ve done that but that hasn`t helped me! |
| 13:11.46 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: there's a number on the bottom |
| 13:12.03 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: something like JX583 |
| 13:12.12 | Pupeno | fhffhqvb: the only number I see is: 26351 and an "N". |
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| 13:12.20 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: no. the other number. |
| 13:12.21 | niels_ | any other suggestions??? |
| 13:12.34 | strider | Pupeno: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:12.49 | fhffhqvb | strider: yeah... you'd need to plug it in for that. |
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| 13:13.09 | strider | oh, just read it again. |
| 13:13.28 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: by "bottom" i mean the underside of the cpu, with the pins. |
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| 13:13.43 | niels_ | okay, I do have that file isapnp.conf |
| 13:13.51 | matusz | what do I do to edit #debian wiki? |
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| 13:14.39 | Pupeno | fhffhqvb: there are some labels there, let me see. |
| 13:14.49 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: 2 letters, 3 numbers |
| 13:14.56 | Pupeno | strider: I don't have a working computer to plug this in. |
| 13:15.23 | niels_ | @all it seems to be that there are apart from pnpdump and isapnp no other tools!? |
| 13:15.31 | niels_ | am i right? |
| 13:15.53 | jm_ | you don't need to use pnpdump and isapnp anymore |
| 13:15.55 | fhffhqvb | niels_: you're on your own with the isa crap |
| 13:16.09 | niels_ | thanks mate! |
| 13:16.30 | Dewi | has anything strange happened to testing repos in the last week or so? like new keys or something? |
| 13:16.34 | strider | Pupeno: yes, didn't realise that :P |
| 13:16.43 | fhffhqvb | Dewi: bunnies. |
| 13:16.57 | Dewi | my gpg was rejecting the repos |
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| 13:17.08 | Dewi | but possibly because during a power spike my system time changed to 1982 :P |
| 13:17.08 | fhffhqvb | gpg for your bunghole? |
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| 13:17.27 | strider | your gpg? |
| 13:17.27 | fireba11 | Dewi: for sure :-) |
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| 13:17.53 | Pupeno | fhffhqvb: I remove the white sillicon-based material for cooling (I don't know its name in english) and the brand and model is carved on the top of it. Thank you. |
| 13:17.54 | Dewi | incidentally, has anyone ever had their system date change to a random string during a power oddity? :P |
| 13:17.56 | niels_ | the linux compatibility list has my old isa crap still on the list, so i am wondering why debian is not installing/supporting it! |
| 13:18.02 | Dewi | it's not my battery... or at least, my battery works now |
| 13:18.19 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: wrong side. i told you to look on the bottom... |
| 13:18.21 | romax | does ndiswrapper use a file to set network parameters? if so, what's its name? |
| 13:19.05 | tiny | If you know anyone that can help me out please do contact him/her. Thnx! http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=sbc&Post=372 |
| 13:19.06 | petemc | romax: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:19.12 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: only the XX YYY designation on the bottom will tell you the true cpu type |
| 13:19.13 | petemc | romax: ndiswrapper has docs |
| 13:20.00 | fhffhqvb | Pupeno: for example, i have a cpu that says P90 on it, but i could tell by that identification that it's actually a P100 |
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| 13:20.53 | romax | petemc: i have looked but can't find it. |
| 13:21.13 | fireba11 | hm .. why the hell does a kernel package suggest lilo when I have grub installed ? pfff |
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| 13:21.27 | romax | petemc: not in /etc/ network/interface. |
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| 13:21.53 | niels_ | fhffhqvb: you haven`t got another idea how to get that thing into gear either? |
| 13:22.21 | fhffhqvb | niels_: i'm not even trying to get an ISA soundcard to work under linux again. |
| 13:22.34 | fhffhqvb | or an ISDN card. |
| 13:22.35 | marcel_ | fhffhqvb: isapnp |
| 13:22.41 | fhffhqvb | marcel_: nee. |
| 13:22.41 | marcel_ | fhffhqvb: Easy as. |
| 13:22.52 | fhffhqvb | marcel_: fucking thing just won't work. |
| 13:22.57 | matusz | is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki dead? |
| 13:23.02 | fhffhqvb | i'm don't even want to think about it. |
| 13:23.24 | niels_ | fair enough...but an isdn card is easy as f*** |
| 13:23.33 | marcel_ | fhffhqvb: Are you ok? |
| 13:23.35 | romax | petemc: which doc to look to? |
| 13:23.39 | matusz | no edits for three months |
| 13:23.42 | fhffhqvb | ISA + linux = bad |
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| 13:23.54 | marcel_ | Seriously |
| 13:23.58 | Thor-- | what is the prefered kernel version for sarge? 2.4.x or 2.6.x? I'm upgrading from woody on 2.4.x to sarge and wonder if I should switch to 2.6.x kernel at the same time? |
| 13:24.14 | azeem | Thor--: both are supported |
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| 13:24.31 | marcel_ | if you cant get it to work - stop bitching here. Google or something. |
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| 13:25.02 | fireba11 | Thor--: there are 2.6 and 2.6.8 for sarge .. i would suggest 2.6.8 if you want to change |
| 13:25.10 | azeem | marcel_: who do you talk to? |
| 13:25.11 | fhffhqvb | marcel_: shut the hell up. you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 13:25.31 | marcel_ | fhffhqvb: Try me. |
| 13:25.32 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 13:25.45 | GutterPunk | Can anyone get me through installing KDE 3.5 on a base system? |
| 13:25.56 | azeem | !kde 3.5 sarge |
| 13:25.59 | azeem | hrm |
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| 13:26.02 | fhffhqvb | GutterPunk: that's not in debian |
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| 13:26.19 | GutterPunk | fhffhqvb: well I added the alioth sources to sources.list |
| 13:26.25 | fireba11 | kde 3.5 |
| 13:26.26 | Daishi | does anyone know why all the kernel-source-2.6 packages in etch dont have installation candidates? |
| 13:26.29 | fhffhqvb | GutterPunk: go ask alioth then |
| 13:26.35 | fireba11 | !kde 3.5 |
| 13:26.35 | dpkg | [kde 3.5] most of kde3.5 is in sid currently, it will take some time for it to move to etch, in the meantime you can use: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.5.0/ or Not for sarge, or ask #debian-kde |
| 13:26.36 | azeem | fhffhqvb: huh? |
| 13:26.42 | fhffhqvb | azeem: hm? |
| 13:26.44 | azeem | GutterPunk: those aren't for sarge |
| 13:26.45 | pinks | if I was to copy the complete filesystem onto another HDD, would it plug in and "just work"? |
| 13:26.51 | `Kevin | i have a server that anything which tries to pull inform from eth0 such as ifconig, even traceroute, will put the process in uninterruptible sleep but the NIC works other than that |
| 13:26.53 | azeem | fhffhqvb: do you not know what alioth is? |
| 13:26.53 | matusz | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | NOTE: this is NOT #ubuntu. | BORKED: packages.d.o, use pdo.debian.net instead | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ (read-only) | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | See dondelelcaro at SCALE in the Debian booth |
| 13:26.54 | fireba11 | Daishi: try apt-get update ? |
| 13:26.59 | Daishi | fireba11: i did |
| 13:26.59 | `Kevin | ifconfig* |
| 13:27.07 | weissi | . |
| 13:27.08 | fhffhqvb | azeem: third party apt source? |
| 13:27.14 | azeem | fhffhqvb: no |
| 13:27.17 | GutterPunk | azeem: so I need to go to testing then |
| 13:27.24 | azeem | GutterPunk: ask #debian-kde |
| 13:27.27 | GutterPunk | alright |
| 13:27.32 | GutterPunk | thanks |
| 13:27.34 | Daishi | plus theres no 2.6.12 which is what i really needed |
| 13:27.36 | petemc | romax: how did you install it? if its a debian package, /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper/ , otherwise, the website |
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| 13:28.49 | fireba11 | Daishi: etch should have something > 2.6.8 |
| 13:28.54 | niels_ | matusz: I do have debian sarge 3.1 with all the latest updates. So it should work the way you`ve described on your wiki? |
| 13:28.57 | Daishi | it has 2.6.11 |
| 13:29.02 | Daishi | for source |
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| 13:29.10 | Daishi | but it doesnt install |
| 13:29.55 | fireba11 | Daishi: is that a new installation ? |
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| 13:30.34 | Daishi | fireba11: not really new |
| 13:30.42 | matusz | niels_ this is not my wiki, I just reported it's status |
| 13:30.49 | fireba11 | you got any reason to sue etch anyway ?:-) |
| 13:30.55 | Daishi | i mean i havent apt-get dist-upgraded in a while (well i am right now) |
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| 13:31.02 | matusz | its |
| 13:31.05 | Daishi | stable gets too old too fast? |
| 13:31.06 | niels_ | matusz: but anyway..thanks for that |
| 13:31.36 | fireba11 | Daishi: asking because there is a sarge installer with 2.6.14 for guys that need the hardware supported by it |
| 13:31.36 | Daishi | oo heh |
| 13:31.37 | azeem | Daishi: linux-source-2.6.12 is in testing |
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| 13:31.45 | sTb | does someone have experience with libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
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| 13:31.50 | fireba11 | !tell Daishi about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 13:32.11 | fireba11 | Daishi: how can soemthing get old fast ? :-) |
| 13:32.12 | Daishi | nahh i just needed the source to compile something that needs it |
| 13:32.22 | Daishi | azeem: oo its linux-source |
| 13:32.28 | Daishi | i thought it was kernel-source |
| 13:32.29 | azeem | Daishi: are you sure you don't just need the headers? |
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| 13:32.37 | fireba11 | Daishi: got renamed in etch and above |
| 13:32.38 | Daishi | ill try that in a second thx |
| 13:32.56 | Daishi | azeem: heh maybe that is all i need since im not compiling the kernel |
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| 13:32.58 | Dewi | is firefox 1.5 available for etch? |
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| 13:33.01 | Daishi | ill try linux-headers first |
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| 13:35.39 | xiaowen | What's the command to ask apt/dpkg to search using apt-file for which package contains a file? |
| 13:35.55 | _MiTo_ | Dewi yes |
| 13:35.55 | bibe | Dewi : not from official repositories, but you can easily build your own package following /msg dpkg simple sid backport directives |
| 13:35.55 | petemc | xiaowen: find |
| 13:35.56 | xiaowen | petemc: Thanks. |
| 13:36.11 | _MiTo_ | uups I mean Sid |
| 13:37.02 | fireba11 | _MiTo_: well sid got about everything .. that's why it's sometimes hard to convince ppl NOT to use it :-D |
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| 13:37.21 | CAiRO | how can i achieve that hdparm saves the use_dma flag for my dvd burner? when i reboot, it's always gone (in contrast to hard disks where it seems to save the settings i make) |
| 13:37.48 | jm_ | CAiRO: set it in hdparm.conf |
| 13:37.50 | marcel_ | CAiRO: Try /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 13:38.01 | CAiRO | ok, thanks |
| 13:38.03 | Dewi | bibe: I've never done a backport before... and firefox is potentially pretty big and complex. Should I be scared? |
| 13:38.40 | fireba11 | Dewi: nah .. you're not porting KDE 3.5 back :-D |
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| 13:40.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 13:40.39 | weissi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.00 | sTb | E: Syntax error /root/downloads/libapache2-mod-php5_5.1.2-0bpo1_i386.deb:6: Extra junk after value <- what does this mean? sry new to debian :) |
| 13:41.57 | jharrisonwk | sTb: what dist are you using? |
| 13:42.26 | sTb | debisan sarge |
| 13:42.28 | sTb | 3.1 |
| 13:42.33 | azeem | sTb: probably means a corrupted .deb |
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| 13:42.46 | sTb | damnit ive downloaded it at http://www.linuxia.de/packages/Backports.org%20archive/sarge-backports/Detail/libapache2-mod-php5?id=cwxRfZu3&mv_pc=52 |
| 13:43.04 | azeem | sTb: run "file /root/downloads/libapache2-mod-php5_5.1.2-0bpo1_i386.deb" |
| 13:43.07 | marcel_ | yeah. The deb is bad. |
| 13:43.15 | jharrisonwk | is php5 in sarge? |
| 13:43.21 | azeem | jharrisonwk: it's a backport |
| 13:43.25 | azeem | "bpo" |
| 13:43.29 | jharrisonwk | ah lovely backports |
| 13:43.32 | jharrisonwk | when will people learn |
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| 13:43.40 | marcel_ | or use ubuntu. |
| 13:43.46 | jharrisonwk | or get php5 from etch |
| 13:43.53 | jharrisonwk | ormake your own packages |
| 13:43.55 | fireba11 | marcel_: you said the forbidden word .. ^^ |
| 13:43.59 | azeem | jharrisonwk: there are people who prefer to stay on sarge |
| 13:44.05 | azeem | using backports is a good idea in this case |
| 13:44.10 | jharrisonwk | azeem: then they should not use backports |
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| 13:44.16 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I disagree |
| 13:44.17 | sTb | damnit what should i do? °_° |
| 13:44.23 | azeem | jharrisonwk: fair enouh |
| 13:44.25 | azeem | enough |
| 13:44.26 | sTb | ive just want to add php5 to my apache2 ... |
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| 13:44.28 | marcel_ | sTb, Compile yourself. |
| 13:44.33 | azeem | sTb: 14:36 < azeem> sTb: run "file /root/downloads/libapache2-mod-php5_5.1.2-0bpo1_i386.deb" |
| 13:44.40 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: I'd rather use sarge for everything but php, than weather the kind of breakages testing has seen in the last year, on my production systems |
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| 13:44.44 | jharrisonwk | azeem: the whole idea of sarge is that the system is stable and when you introduce packages from outside of sarge you compromise sarge |
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| 13:44.51 | sTb | ive did marcel_ but ive didnt find afterwards the libphp5.so to add it into httpd.conf... |
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| 13:44.57 | jharrisonwk | azeem: if anything php5 should be built from source on sarge |
| 13:45.05 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: that's what a backport is |
| 13:45.10 | marcel_ | sTb, Pardon? |
| 13:45.14 | kron0s | anyone here able to config interface for adsl usb modem? |
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| 13:45.17 | bobw | Does anyone know what the JEDEC is? I am seeing it in my logs |
| 13:45.22 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: except somebody built it already |
| 13:45.24 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: no backports is packages made from sources |
| 13:45.29 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: yes exactly |
| 13:45.36 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: so it's entirely the same |
| 13:45.38 | sTb | yes Maakuth_ ive compilied it by myself php5 |
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| 13:45.44 | fireba11 | jharrisonwk: so wheres the difference ? |
| 13:45.44 | azeem | jharrisonwk: somebody who has more clue than the average user |
| 13:45.45 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: but you dont know what options they used to build it |
| 13:45.50 | sTb | but ive didnt find the fukcing libphp5.so afterwards |
| 13:45.55 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: indeed I don't, but I trust them more than I trust myself, frankly |
| 13:45.58 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: having someone else build you a package and doing it yourself is not exactly the same |
| 13:46.00 | sTb | /root/downloads/libapache2-mod-php5_5.1.2-0bpo1_i386.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 13:46.00 | sTb | /root/downloads/libapache2-mod-php5_5.1.2-0bpo1_i386.deb: line 1: `!<arch>' |
| 13:46.01 | azeem | jharrisonwk: there's a changelog, you know? |
| 13:46.06 | ILF_ | ok, i never quite understood the debian kernel naming. why is 2.6.15.2 still called 2.6.15-1 and not 2.6.15-2 ? |
| 13:46.06 | sTb | ill think this is bad |
| 13:46.18 | azeem | sTb: try another mirror, maybe |
| 13:46.20 | fireba11 | jharrisonwk: true .. the other guy probably knows better how to do it |
| 13:46.39 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: well, there's guys who made a whole site of backports, and then there's me who has never built one. I know who I trust in this case :P |
| 13:46.44 | jharrisonwk | backports is for people who are naive about debian |
| 13:46.55 | jharrisonwk | if you dont knwo what you are doing by all means use it |
| 13:46.56 | azeem | jharrisonwk: stop spreading FUD |
| 13:47.07 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: no, it's for people who don't want remote machines to stop booting because of a bug in etch, but still want php5 |
| 13:47.11 | kron0s | some1 willing to help with usb adsl? |
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| 13:47.38 | Dewi | actually that might be a little unfair... I don't think etch has been badly enough broken to stop booting |
| 13:47.43 | jharrisonwk | why is the use of backports so strongly discouraged then? |
| 13:47.48 | azeem | jharrisonwk: it isn't |
| 13:47.52 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: you're the one discouraging it |
| 13:48.00 | azeem | jharrisonwk: it is actually more encouraged than upgrading to etch for servers |
| 13:48.03 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: as well as debian developers |
| 13:48.05 | bobw | Does anyone know what the ICH2 rom device is???? |
| 13:48.07 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: certainly I do hear a lot of FUD about backports... |
| 13:48.14 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: why do you suppose they would discourage it? |
| 13:48.15 | azeem | jharrisonwk: www.backports.org is *encouraged* |
| 13:48.19 | Dewi | but for servers I think it's great |
| 13:48.23 | azeem | jharrisonwk: some random apt source on the net is not |
| 13:48.24 | Dewi | I run etch at home |
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| 13:49.03 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: the biggest problem with backports I can see is lack of auto security updates |
| 13:49.36 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: I pin backports to a low priority so I don't go around installing them by accident, but the side-effect is that anything I do install from backports won't (I think) auto update for a security fix |
| 13:50.03 | Dewi | but the same can be said for building from source, or borrowing from testing |
| 13:50.04 | insidius | arrrghh linux is hard |
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| 13:50.12 | Dewi | insidius: yep |
| 13:50.17 | ronin | not really |
| 13:50.18 | fireba11 | insidius: :-) |
| 13:50.23 | Dewi | insidius: because computers are hard |
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| 13:50.58 | insidius | stupid apache |
| 13:51.07 | insidius | i take that back |
| 13:51.15 | insidius | it is my own stupidity that i despise |
| 13:51.22 | sep | is nfs more suseptible to alignment errors then other protocols ? http/ftp |
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| 13:51.31 | Dewi | insidius: ask a question about apache |
| 13:51.36 | Dewi | :) |
| 13:51.48 | jharrisonwk | In the book The Debian System backports.org is said to use at your own risk |
| 13:51.49 | tiny | insidius: stupid people usualy aren't aware of being stupid |
| 13:51.57 | marcel_ | Does anyone know if there is mainstream homeplug over USB support in the upstream 2.6 kernel series? |
| 13:52.12 | jharrisonwk | I would highly recommend anyone seriously interested in Debian to get a copy of this book |
| 13:52.30 | fireba11 | jharrisonwk: no wonder .. everything in debian is AUOR |
| 13:52.31 | azeem | jharrisonwk: I trust the guy who runs backports.org more than I trust the guy who wrote that book |
| 13:52.34 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: sure. It's not something you do without due consideration. But I really think you're in for more stability installing the occasional backport than going to etch |
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| 13:52.41 | fireba11 | AYOR even .. argh |
| 13:52.45 | insidius | I am just trying to figure out why i cant ftp into my site now, i am able to access it through web (setup apache tonight) but i cant ftp into it |
| 13:52.46 | jharrisonwk | azeem: why? |
| 13:52.46 | azeem | jharrisonwk: anyway, upgrading to etch is "on your own risk" as well |
| 13:52.51 | azeem | jharrisonwk: I know them both |
| 13:53.23 | azeem | jharrisonwk: in this book, does he say you should rather take packages from etch than from backports? |
| 13:53.25 | Dewi | insidius: could you ftp in previously? |
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| 13:53.37 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: I run etch on two of my production boxes at home and have yet to see breakage |
| 13:53.52 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: although if I did see breakage fixing it would not be much of an issue |
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| 13:54.05 | jharrisonwk | azeem: not exactly |
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| 13:54.32 | nostradam | Hi..using Debian Sarge, with Squid and Dansguardian. |
| 13:54.32 | marcel_ | jharrisonwk, Why do you use etch on production boxes? |
| 13:54.33 | nostradam | Our BigBrother client is screaming bloody murder that the system is using the swap: |
| 13:54.33 | nostradam | please have a look at the free -m output.: |
| 13:54.33 | nostradam | http://pastebin.com/543175 |
| 13:54.33 | nostradam | Why would debian use the swap..the system seems to have quite some memory free in the buffers...? |
| 13:54.33 | nostradam | Sorry for this newbie question... |
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| 13:54.35 | jharrisonwk | but official Debian packages undergo qa and rigourous testing |
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| 13:54.43 | jharrisonwk | marcel_: because it is my wish to do so |
| 13:54.43 | Dewi | nostcareful now, that's way too much flood |
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| 13:54.49 | Dewi | oops |
| 13:54.49 | marcel_ | jharrisonwk, Why do you use etch on production boxes? |
| 13:54.52 | nostradam | sorry |
| 13:54.52 | marcel_ | woops |
| 13:54.53 | jharrisonwk | marcel_: just as it is my wish to run sid on my workstation boxes |
| 13:55.05 | azeem | jharrisonwk: you are free to do so |
| 13:55.11 | azeem | but please do not advocate this her |
| 13:55.11 | azeem | e |
| 13:55.12 | meneg | "/msg dpkg java" <- the topic always knows what im looking for in here =] |
| 13:55.14 | jharrisonwk | marcel_: notice I said at HOME |
| 13:55.15 | nostradam | I'll try 2 lines at a time |
| 13:55.16 | azeem | *we* have to support this |
| 13:55.18 | nostradam | Hi..using Debian Sarge, with Squid and Dansguardian. |
| 13:55.18 | nostradam | Our BigBrother client is screaming bloody murder that the system is using the swap: |
| 13:55.21 | marcel_ | jharrisonwk, No, I mean, really.. have you tried U? |
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| 13:55.26 | nostradam | please have a look at the free -m output.: |
| 13:55.27 | nostradam | http://pastebin.com/543175 |
| 13:55.28 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I never was advocating the use of etch or sid on production boxes |
| 13:55.35 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I merely said this is what I do at home |
| 13:55.36 | nostradam | Why would debian use the swap..the system seems to have quite some memory free in the buffers...? |
| 13:55.36 | nostradam | Sorry for this newbie question... |
| 13:55.40 | jharrisonwk | azeem: with my own machines |
| 13:55.59 | Dewi | nostradam: I believe debian will use swap and memory because they are there |
| 13:56.00 | azeem | 14:37 < jharrisonwk> or get php5 from etch |
| 13:56.08 | jharrisonwk | azeem: likewise I have many machines in a data centre which I manage and administer that I would not dare to run anything but Debian stable on |
| 13:56.12 | Dewi | nostradam: it won't clear them for no reason |
| 13:56.20 | meneg | ah, any fast fix for the beaking if azureus on current sid? |
| 13:56.22 | Dewi | nostradam: but you might find that it will clear them when it needs to (and not before) |
| 13:56.31 | jharrisonwk | azeem: was this for a production machine? |
| 13:56.32 | nostradam | Dewi: isn't using Swap a bad thing..? |
| 13:56.35 | Dewi | nostradam: unlike windows which will sit there doing unnecessary work |
| 13:56.39 | jharrisonwk | azeem: whats wrong with php4? |
| 13:56.52 | meneg | azureus wont run on current sid, any fast fix around? |
| 13:56.57 | azeem | jharrisonwk: dude, I am not the one who wants to run php5 |
| 13:57.08 | jharrisonwk | azeem: neither am I |
| 13:57.11 | azeem | truth is, some people *have* to run php5 on sarge for whatever reasons |
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| 13:57.17 | nostradam | like in the sense of slower then using memory..? |
| 13:57.20 | jharrisonwk | azeem: really I would build php5 from source on a production sarge box |
| 13:57.29 | azeem | jharrisonwk: great |
| 13:57.29 | meneg | gah |
| 13:57.30 | Dewi | nostradam: okay, imagine your machine has a big app swapped to swap. It might page in a bunch of memory and read it only, make no modifications. If you clear it from swap now, you're destroying a copy you might need to write back to swap later. |
| 13:57.33 | fireba11 | nostradam: nope .. .it's normal for kernel parts that arent used to go into swap .. it it swaps all the time its really bad though |
| 13:57.33 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I would not use packages from etch or backports or anywhere else |
| 13:57.34 | azeem | jharrisonwk: but this is a support channel |
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| 13:57.45 | azeem | jharrisonwk: so just spewing your own experience around won't help people |
| 13:58.00 | azeem | unless you are willing to build packages for the |
| 13:58.00 | jharrisonwk | azeem: isnt that what everyone else here is doing? |
| 13:58.01 | azeem | m |
| 13:58.07 | azeem | jharrisonwk: no, we try to help people |
| 13:58.18 | jharrisonwk | azeem: oh and so I am not? |
| 13:58.19 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: backports.org contains packages built from source, for sarge. It does exactly what you describe, and those guys are more in the know than many people. |
| 13:58.35 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: yes I release that |
| 13:58.40 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: the source packages we're talking about are for etch or sid |
| 13:58.42 | azeem | jharrisonwk: how does it help people if you say "don't use backports, use php5 from etch or build yourself" |
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| 13:58.54 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: they might (hopefully not, but might) have unforseen problems building on sarge |
| 13:59.02 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I did not say that for production boxes |
| 13:59.05 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: I trust backports guys to find those things better than me |
| 13:59.15 | azeem | jharrisonwk: you didn't qualify your statement at all |
| 13:59.16 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: believe it or not, I use PHP5 in production. |
| 13:59.21 | jharrisonwk | azeem: well now I have |
| 13:59.22 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: so I have no choice. |
| 13:59.40 | nostradam | ok..so debian is just smarter as I thought ;) Thanks fireba11 and dewi...I'll up the BBClient to bother me only when stuff really gets bad.. |
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| 13:59.57 | jharrisonwk | look if you guys want to use backports thats not my business and I think you should do what you want |
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| 14:00.08 | Dewi | nostradam: as for diagnosing when your machine lacks RAM... that is something I am not good at, sadly. |
| 14:00.10 | jharrisonwk | but you should know that its just as bad as getting packages from etch |
| 14:00.18 | jharrisonwk | or from sid |
| 14:00.22 | jharrisonwk | and maybe worse so |
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| 14:00.33 | jharrisonwk | but to say its better then getting packages from etch or sid is a mistake |
| 14:00.39 | azeem | jharrisonwk: that might be your opinion |
| 14:00.40 | Dewi | nostradam: but as I have described, the way it works is a little trickier (and smarter) than, say, windows |
| 14:00.43 | azeem | and I respect that |
| 14:00.47 | jharrisonwk | because the packages in etch and sid get qa and testing that backports dont get |
| 14:00.57 | jharrisonwk | not to mention security fixes in a timely manner |
| 14:01.01 | azeem | jharrisonwk: but now that we've heard it, can I kindly request you keep from voicing it in here? |
| 14:01.04 | nostradam | Well thanks anyway Dewi..maybe someone else has a good sense on how to determine this..? |
| 14:01.07 | felixgonschorek | hi all, got a problem. 1 network card, 2 interfaces (eth0 and eth0:0) with 2 IP-Adresses. |
| 14:01.11 | felixgonschorek | configuration is in #flood |
| 14:01.16 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: if you mean binaries from etch or sid, you're just plain wrong. |
| 14:01.26 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: they are compiled against totally different stuff |
| 14:01.28 | petemc | felixgonschorek: whats the issue? |
| 14:01.34 | GutterPunk | How can I reset my system locales please? I forgot to activate some, and while doing dist-upgrade I get a few errors about it... |
| 14:01.43 | GutterPunk | actually a lot... |
| 14:01.50 | petemc | GutterPunk: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:01.50 | azeem | GutterPunk: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:01.55 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: I mean they are wrong for sarge |
| 14:01.59 | GutterPunk | thanks |
| 14:02.15 | felixgonschorek | ip address no. 2 is not responding on ping from outside |
| 14:02.31 | felixgonschorek | from the pc the interfaces are configured it responds to ping |
| 14:02.33 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: I don't see why I should have to experience deep-down problems with hotplug or udev (like testing had a while back) just to run PHP5. |
| 14:02.40 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: yes I know that |
| 14:02.41 | felixgonschorek | i thing routing is not working? |
| 14:02.47 | felixgonschorek | routing -> #flood |
| 14:02.55 | GutterPunk | "locales is broken or not fully installed" dammit... |
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| 14:03.01 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: just drop it and do what you want |
| 14:03.09 | petemc | felixgonschorek: ive just joined flood, paste it again |
| 14:03.30 | petemc | felixgonschorek: you have a /27 ? |
| 14:03.43 | jharrisonwk | azeem: just a quick question. How long have you been in this channel? |
| 14:04.08 | fhffhqvb | jharrisonwk: not long enough to get bitter yet |
| 14:04.15 | felixgonschorek | petemc: Maske: 255.255.255.224, yes |
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| 14:04.35 | jharrisonwk | fhffhqvb: :) |
| 14:04.42 | petemc | felixgonschorek: they 2 interfaces have different broadcasts |
| 14:04.54 | petemc | s/they/the/ |
| 14:04.58 | jharrisonwk | fhffhqvb: many people I know from the old days are no longer here because of what has come |
| 14:05.00 | felixgonschorek | petemc: uh |
| 14:05.09 | fhffhqvb | jharrisonwk: nuubs. |
| 14:05.10 | felixgonschorek | petemc: you are right. sorry, this is noobish.... |
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| 14:05.20 | felixgonschorek | petemc: thank you for your help! |
| 14:05.23 | petemc | :) |
| 14:05.34 | ILF_ | i never quite understood the debian kernel naming. why is 2.6.15.2 still called 2.6.15-1 and not 2.6.15-2 ? |
| 14:05.46 | jharrisonwk | fhffhqvb: most people end up migrating to debian-offtopic or debian-devel |
| 14:05.52 | peterS | jharrisonwk: I imagine he came in with the wave of debian developers who poked their heads in last year after we got a lot of publicity on the debian-private list |
| 14:06.12 | jharrisonwk | peterS: true |
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| 14:06.19 | fhffhqvb | peterS: lol |
| 14:06.28 | petemc | felixgonschorek: also, the gateway line looks... odd |
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| 14:06.36 | fhffhqvb | ohwell. |
| 14:06.39 | kspath | fhffhqvb: it is not newbies that are the problem. It is the numbers relative to those that have some clue that is the problem. It end up being the blind leading the blind half the time. |
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| 14:06.48 | sparkx | hi everybody, i'm trying to write an initscript to start a program that output everything to stdout, can i redirect its output to a file while starting it with start-stop-daemon (like the debian manual suggest)? |
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| 14:06.58 | jharrisonwk | peterS: I recognize you and also petemc |
| 14:07.12 | jharrisonwk | also I see Guerin is still here |
| 14:07.30 | sfreak | i can't get this simple shell script to work: http://www.thebackend.de/~sb/rsynctest.txt . rsync doesn't seem to be the problem. guess something is wrone with the quotes/variables. i can't spot it though. any hints? thx |
| 14:07.31 | jharrisonwk | and abrotman |
| 14:07.35 | abrotman | WHAT?! |
| 14:07.37 | peterS | jharrisonwk: abrotman is the man |
| 14:07.44 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 14:07.45 | jharrisonwk | whatever happened to the englishman from NC? |
| 14:07.48 | fhffhqvb | sparkx: you can configure syslogd to output to whatever you want. |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: asg is still here |
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| 14:07.56 | felixgonschorek | petemc: the problem is still there, new ifconfig on #flood |
| 14:07.56 | jharrisonwk | ah good |
| 14:07.59 | jharrisonwk | always liked asg |
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| 14:08.12 | sparkx | fhffhqvb, thanks i'm looking at manpages |
| 14:08.13 | jharrisonwk | everytime I see mcvitties bisquits I think of asg |
| 14:08.22 | fhffhqvb | sparkx: also look at "tee" |
| 14:08.25 | petemc | felixgonschorek: show me your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 14:08.36 | azeem | jharrisonwk: about half a year, I'd say |
| 14:08.41 | sparkx | fhffhqvb, thanks again, i will surely do |
| 14:08.57 | jharrisonwk | azeem: how long did it take for you to get @? |
| 14:08.58 | abrotman | azeem: you n00b! |
| 14:09.14 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: how is PA? |
| 14:09.18 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: cold |
| 14:09.19 | azeem | I was in here from time to time for the last couple of years, though |
| 14:09.24 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: its cold here too |
| 14:09.31 | azeem | jharrisonwk: I don't remember |
| 14:09.35 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: in the 60s |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: oh .. are you going to cry? .. it's 65? |
| 14:09.38 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: or 70s |
| 14:09.40 | felixgonschorek | petemc: on #flood |
| 14:09.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: thats freakign cold man |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | it's 35 here today i think |
| 14:10.05 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: bbbrrrr |
| 14:10.10 | petemc | felixgonschorek: that looks fine, try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:10.20 | felixgonschorek | petemc: result is on #flood |
| 14:10.32 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the data centre is like a meat locker |
| 14:10.53 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: I'm the channel's long-term newb |
| 14:11.02 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: thats great |
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| 14:11.14 | Dewi | jharrisonwk: been here at least 6 years or so, and still I know nothing |
| 14:11.17 | doub | Dewi: is that supposed to be a Good Thing(tm) ? |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | Dewi: actually .. you're not that bad .. there are some real bad ones :) |
| 14:11.24 | jharrisonwk | Dewi: thats not good |
| 14:11.31 | ootput | Dewi: you're horrible |
| 14:11.31 | felixgonschorek | petemc: ping from outside still not working :( |
| 14:11.31 | petemc | felixgonschorek: what kernel are you using? |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | peterS: for your high ? |
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| 14:11.45 | felixgonschorek | petemc: 2.4 |
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| 14:11.51 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.15.3 is out |
| 14:11.52 | felixgonschorek | petemc: self compiled |
| 14:11.53 | peterS | abrotman: no, that's the last reported temperature at the local airport. I *hope* it gets a bit higher |
| 14:11.54 | ootput | sorry, had to bring order to the universe |
| 14:11.54 | jharrisonwk | I must recompile |
| 14:12.03 | Dewi | abrotman: well, I guess it was never my job until this year. Scary now though :P |
| 14:12.04 | fireba11 | Dewi: take a look at resiak's logpage .. the guy who wanted to install ALL of debian to do a security audit was hilarious :-)# |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. that makes more sense |
| 14:12.18 | Dewi | fireba11: hehe |
| 14:12.22 | jharrisonwk | first I have to finish the debian-amd64 mirror on the cluster though |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | Dewi: to be a newb .. or a debian user/admin? |
| 14:12.41 | Dewi | abrotman: the latter |
| 14:12.51 | Melsen | Hey all; I'm trying to install and setup the Citrix client... and it says: 'x86 client - requires OpenMotif 2.2.x'.... Does anyone know what package I need to install to get that? Because I have no clue. I've installed the client and try to launch it.. but nothing happens. |
| 14:12.52 | felixgonschorek | petemc: from kernel-source-2.4.27.tar |
| 14:12.55 | peterS | abrotman: the wind's out of the north, so that's not encouraging, but at least the sun is out. if it gets above freezing I suppose that's as good as I can hope for |
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| 14:13.13 | kspath | fireba11: Are you kidding? |
| 14:13.15 | Dewi | abrotman: I admin now. But it's actually mostly in fedora, which I'm slowly trying to get rid of |
| 14:13.24 | abrotman | peterS: the only thing you can hope for is snow! |
| 14:13.25 | doub | ootput: that's some kind of a tough job you have |
| 14:13.49 | ootput | doub: mate, tell me about it |
| 14:13.54 | jharrisonwk | isnt openmotif a kernel patch? |
| 14:13.55 | petemc | felixgonschorek: ok, that should be fine. you sure you have a /27 there? nmap -sP 213.239.207.33/27 |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | Dewi: good plan .. my last RH box died earlier this year .. i think it was RH7.3 .. from the prior admin |
| 14:14.00 | jharrisonwk | or maybe thats openmosix |
| 14:14.02 | peterS | abrotman: snow I do not hope for. snow is lovely but not when you have to ride a bike on a city street where the snow will either freeze into ice and make it slippery, or turn to slush and get you all dirty as you ride |
| 14:14.08 | fireba11 | kspath: no ... read yourself http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=59 |
| 14:14.13 | doub | ootput: it first began... yeah well, you know the rest |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | peterS: alternative #1 - Get a Sugar Mama |
| 14:14.27 | kspath | fireba11: You mean that guy that pretended he/she was going to audit everything in the debian repository instead of maybe only what they need/want? |
| 14:14.28 | peterS | abrotman: neither alternative is particularly pleasant, so I don't enjoy winter precipitation |
| 14:14.29 | ootput | heh |
| 14:14.44 | felixgonschorek | petemc: the admin of the network the server ist hosted on told me so, yes.... |
| 14:14.48 | felixgonschorek | petemc: nmap is running |
| 14:14.55 | Melsen | What package name do I need to install to get OpenMotif 2.2.x - Does anyone know? |
| 14:15.08 | jm_ | !tell Melsen -about search |
| 14:15.13 | felixgonschorek | petemc: result of nmap is on #flood |
| 14:15.25 | peterS | Melsen: openmotif isn't in debian, the license terms are a bit screwy |
| 14:15.55 | kspath | I audited everything in the respository from A-Z and Z-A again but only as far as things I wanted to try/note. I can not imagine security audit of everything. |
| 14:15.59 | azeem | Melsen: try libmotif3 from non-free |
| 14:16.00 | peterS | Melsen: but it's in the non-free archive as the 'libmotif3' package |
| 14:16.00 | jm_ | it certainly is in Sarge |
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| 14:16.13 | qc | hello |
| 14:16.33 | qc | how can i make things run at the start of debian, liek Idesk? |
| 14:16.37 | qc | like |
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| 14:16.51 | peterS | Melsen: usually when people like you ask questions like that, you really are interested in *compiling* stuff that uses openmotif. in which case you're probably going to be wanting libmotif-dev, also in non-free. |
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| 14:17.09 | petemc | felixgonschorek: all i can say is, your network config looks fine.. |
| 14:17.30 | kspath | fireba11: Oh yeah, I remember that tard. |
| 14:17.33 | Melsen | peterS: I've tried both libmotif3 and libmotif-dev package... but, the citrix client which says it requires OpenMotif 2.2.x still don't work and won't launch. So I figured I did something wrong. |
| 14:17.34 | jharrisonwk | mirrors is complete |
| 14:17.41 | felixgonschorek | petemc: don't i have to add more routing information to the kernel-routing table? |
| 14:17.48 | petemc | felixgonschorek: no |
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| 14:18.03 | peterS | Melsen: "don't work" and "won't launch" aren't very specific. I suggest you try to find error messages corresponding to those symptoms and go from there |
| 14:18.16 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: since you are cold http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=1138 |
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| 14:18.54 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: golly .. thanks |
| 14:18.54 | felixgonschorek | petemc: okay. the there are only 2 more possibilities: my noc has not entered the routing information or my firewall is configured badly. i will check this out. thank you very much for your help |
| 14:19.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no problem |
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| 14:19.10 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: feeling warmer yet? |
| 14:19.16 | petemc | felixgonschorek: trying ifup eth0:0 says what? |
| 14:19.24 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: no .. maybe i should go to .mx |
| 14:19.26 | peterS | jharrisonwk: I'm sure he'd rather see your aftermath of hurricane shots from a couple years ago |
| 14:19.38 | jharrisonwk | peterS: I dont know if I have those online |
| 14:19.39 | felixgonschorek | petemc: ifup: interface eth0:0 already configured |
| 14:19.49 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you had them online a while ago |
| 14:19.55 | jharrisonwk | peterS: im sure to get new ones soon enough though if I cant find the old ones |
| 14:20.05 | peterS | what a pessimist (: |
| 14:20.10 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 14:20.20 | jharrisonwk | well thats the reality of living here |
| 14:20.28 | jharrisonwk | you will get hit at some point |
| 14:20.33 | jharrisonwk | at least we dont get hit like FL |
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| 14:20.57 | Perrin | how can I increase my 3d mark 05 score with my x800gt |
| 14:20.59 | Perrin | without overclocking it |
| 14:21.11 | kspath | FL will be underwater so I just pretend it is already gone. |
| 14:21.32 | jharrisonwk | kspath: learn to swim |
| 14:21.59 | jharrisonwk | kspath: better yet buy a boat |
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| 14:22.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 14:22.17 | rambo3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.21 | rambo3 | '/j #wc2006 |
| 14:22.21 | zophyx | hi amigo |
| 14:22.23 | rambo3 | sorry |
| 14:22.26 | jharrisonwk | kspath: and make sure you have it well vitualed and watered |
| 14:22.31 | kspath | Yeah, if I lived in NY city or Florida or other low lying areas near coast I would already have a boat. |
| 14:22.55 | zophyx | kspath: because the polar ice caps are melting ? |
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| 14:23.22 | abrotman | kspath: you live in a low lying area |
| 14:23.22 | kspath | vitualed, wow your English is not weak. |
| 14:23.28 | abrotman | and near a coast |
| 14:23.30 | jharrisonwk | I have to write a mirroring script |
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| 14:24.06 | jharrisonwk | kspath: I have been reading C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien lately |
| 14:24.08 | kspath | abrotman: I am 12-13 miles from Lake Michigan. |
| 14:24.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | yesterday night i could connect to my file server trough ssh and so, so i went looking, it had an whole list of APIC errors in the screen, so i hard resettet, and now when it boots i trys to load xserver, its flikkers on and off with black screen, then i get an screen that says x server cannot be started do i want to see the error, but then the keyboard locks up and i cant do anything, but its still reacheble tough ssh. |
| 14:24.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i fix the APIC error and the xserver? |
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| 14:24.58 | abrotman | kspath: and what .. 100 feet above "sea" level? |
| 14:25.00 | kspath | jharrisonwk: Yes, authors from other eras and with good language abilities strengten us. |
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| 14:25.06 | abrotman | probably more like 50 ft |
| 14:25.07 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 14:25.07 | jharrisonwk | kspath: agreed |
| 14:25.12 | Shadowcat | doing stack traces on a linux kernel is so much fun |
| 14:25.19 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: agreed |
| 14:25.21 | nostradam | guys, another question..when Debian boot...a lot of info is shown on the screen...too fast to actually read...is there a log I can read this info..? I see some errors but I'cant read it... |
| 14:25.31 | kspath | abrotman: 100 feet is a lot compared to 3-8 feet. |
| 14:25.34 | peterS | nostradam: /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages |
| 14:25.35 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: clustering and high availability is also fun |
| 14:25.35 | fireba11 | nostradam: yes |
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| 14:25.44 | jharrisonwk | Shadowcat: its a little slice of sweetness |
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| 14:25.55 | johnathan | #debian-zh |
| 14:26.00 | abrotman | kspath: do you actually know your altitude? |
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| 14:26.24 | strider | Perrin: there is a 3dmark 05 for Linux? |
| 14:26.45 | don_ | hello |
| 14:26.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone help me? |
| 14:26.58 | marcel_ | DJ-Marcuzz: No |
| 14:27.04 | jharrisonwk | peterS: where are you? |
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| 14:27.11 | peterS | jharrisonwk: wichita ks us |
| 14:27.14 | abrotman | peterS: you are one tall mofo .. you should play basketball! |
| 14:27.15 | misieq__ | can i safely turn dma on while some process is extensively using hdd? |
| 14:27.27 | peterS | jharrisonwk: or, put another way: maps.google.com, paste info from host -t loc p12n.org |
| 14:27.28 | jharrisonwk | im at about 15 feet above sea level |
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| 14:27.32 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 14:27.33 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: please do not ask meta-questions |
| 14:27.36 | kspath | abrotman: It matters not in comparison to sea-level relative to coastal areas. It is possible for the whole midwest to become an ocean/sea once again. But, I am hoping that is LONG after NY and FL are underwater. |
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| 14:27.43 | nostradam | thaks amigos.. |
| 14:27.47 | nostradam | *thanks |
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| 14:27.50 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 14:27.53 | jharrisonwk | meta questions |
| 14:27.57 | jharrisonwk | thats funny |
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| 14:28.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | azeem, it was a big nice info full question but i didn't get any response |
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| 14:28.08 | jharrisonwk | yet it totally makes sense |
| 14:28.11 | lizby_ | hallo |
| 14:28.13 | abrotman | kspath: yes .. well .. we all have the same dream :) |
| 14:28.19 | abrotman | kspath: maybe CA too :) |
| 14:28.28 | lizby_ | wie geht |
| 14:28.31 | Thanatermesis | grub: root=/dev/hdb5 = root (hd1,4) <-- correct, yes ? |
| 14:28.37 | azeem | DJ-Marcuzz: yes, you will only get answers to specific questions about specific problems in here, sorry |
| 14:28.38 | jharrisonwk | kspath: to the mountains! |
| 14:28.43 | gypsymauro | I run a kernel 2.4 with software raid 1 on scsi, now I want to migrate to kernel 2.6.15 there is an howto that explains the possible problems? |
| 14:28.45 | kspath | hehehe |
| 14:28.50 | jm_ | DJ-Marcuzz: pass appropriate options to kernel |
| 14:28.53 | azeem | lizby_: #debian.de for german support |
| 14:28.55 | lizby_ | wie geht |
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| 14:29.03 | jharrisonwk | kspath: or we become as the great seamen of old |
| 14:29.05 | kspath | Just give up and build underwater habitats. |
| 14:29.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | yes the noapic one |
| 14:29.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | and what about the xserver |
| 14:29.14 | don_ | i've installed the new gnome 2.12 before installing the new kernel 2.6 and udev generated error (could not load file ), how can i fix it |
| 14:29.20 | lizby_ | was ist soll |
| 14:29.22 | jharrisonwk | kspath: ah yes they are building one on another island in my country as we speak |
| 14:29.28 | kspath | jharrisonwk: Wow, that was spooky. We were thinking the same things. |
| 14:29.34 | jharrisonwk | kspath: well its jsut off another island in my country |
| 14:29.48 | jharrisonwk | kspath: its under water of course so it cant really be on the island |
| 14:29.54 | lizby_ | wie geht dir |
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| 14:29.56 | jm_ | uninstall X server, it has no place on file servers |
| 14:29.57 | azeem | lizby_: bitte /join #debian.de fuer deutschsprachigen support |
| 14:29.58 | kspath | Why fight the water when it can be your ally. |
| 14:30.06 | azeem | lizby_: dieser channel ist nur auf englisch |
| 14:30.07 | xam | DJ-Marcuzz: ssh in, becore root, look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for lines starting with 'EE:' |
| 14:30.12 | jharrisonwk | kspath: we have an underwater walkway here already |
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| 14:30.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | jm_ well i need it :P |
| 14:30.19 | jharrisonwk | kspath: you can see the sharks swimming around |
| 14:30.28 | jm_ | DJ-Marcuzz: why the hell do you need that on file server? |
| 14:30.33 | Thanatermesis | in grub: root=/dev/hdb5 = root (hd1,4) <-- correct, yes ? |
| 14:30.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | btw, the xserver trough vnc work perfectly :S |
| 14:30.51 | lizby_ | was ist soll |
| 14:30.55 | don_ | i've tried reinstalling udev... it didn't work |
| 14:31.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | jm_, it runs download prog its just my home file server |
| 14:31.13 | jm_ | VNC X server doesn't manage local display, that's why |
| 14:31.22 | jharrisonwk | I really should learn more about udev |
| 14:31.22 | lizby_ | wie geht was soll |
| 14:31.28 | jm_ | DJ-Marcuzz: use VNC |
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| 14:31.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=lizby@62.178.245.*] by azeem |
| 14:31.34 | vin` | Thanatermesis: yes, info grub to ease the pain. |
| 14:31.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o lizby_] by azeem |
| 14:31.40 | fireba11 | thanks azeem |
| 14:31.41 | xam | lizby_: stop that, and go to #debian.de |
| 14:31.42 | jm_ | DJ-Marcuzz: or use non-X apps |
| 14:31.48 | petemc | or use nxserver |
| 14:31.52 | azeem | lizby_: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to ELANG |
| 14:31.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:31.56 | fireba11 | xam that wasn't even german |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | !de |
| 14:31.57 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:31.58 | azeem | xam: it's probably a bot |
| 14:31.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | jm_ for vnc i must have an xserver installed |
| 14:31.59 | Thanatermesis | then i don't understand why i have a error 15 (file not found) on grub :/ |
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| 14:32.13 | jm_ | DJ-Marcuzz: no |
| 14:32.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | :| |
| 14:32.23 | fireba11 | DJ-Marcuzz: also, what you need VNC for ? |
| 14:32.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | to controll the download progs on a distance |
| 14:32.45 | xam | azeem: aah, i see, after 'Eliza' ... |
| 14:32.46 | fireba11 | DJ-Marcuzz: ssh ? |
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| 14:33.03 | fireba11 | xm: yes, but not even close |
| 14:33.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | ..... FTD4Linux is an gui prog |
| 14:33.13 | petemc | DJ-Marcuzz: nxserver over ssh works well, you can disconnect and reconnect sessions |
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| 14:33.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | i never figured out how it works |
| 14:33.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | and tightvnc has an java client to |
| 14:34.13 | xam | fireba11: well, the single words definitely looked german, but they didn't make much sense |
| 14:34.34 | fireba11 | xam: exactly |
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| 14:36.34 | RogueDopple | lunitik: you need to communicate better |
| 14:36.37 | RogueDopple | :-) |
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| 14:36.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | (WW) No core pointer registered, thats the error in xorg, someone knows the answer to the error? :P |
| 14:36.54 | jm_ | it's a warning not an error |
| 14:36.55 | jharrisonwk | lunitik: yes you need to communicate better |
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| 14:37.10 | kspath | abrotman: 500+ feet |
| 14:37.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | Fatal server error: |
| 14:37.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | failed to initialize core devices |
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| 14:37.17 | abrotman | kspath: where you are? |
| 14:37.21 | jharrisonwk | lunitik: 5 marriages would indicate that you do NOT communicate well |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | DJ-Marcuzz: did you break your core? |
| 14:37.30 | jm_ | it told you what is wrong |
| 14:37.31 | bibe | DJ-Marcuzz : the X server didn't recognize any mice |
| 14:37.32 | pipeline | jharrisonwk: No, it indicates that THE YNEVER LISTENEd |
| 14:37.47 | kspath | abrotman: I am below ground now. |
| 14:37.47 | DJ-Marcuzz | i just had to hard reset it once :S |
| 14:37.57 | abrotman | kspath: ew ... dead people irc? |
| 14:38.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | with the reset button, but ot even my disks where out of sync |
| 14:38.19 | jharrisonwk | lunitik: a vital piece of information |
| 14:38.34 | jm_ | that may have fucked some of your files, causing silly issues like that |
| 14:38.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | bibe, that could be mouse was unplugged |
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| 14:38.48 | vin` | lunitik: many didn't notice the quotes in your statement, so communication failed yet again. ;) |
| 14:39.06 | bibe | DJ-Marcuzz : plug it in and restart X (ctrl+alt+backspace) |
| 14:39.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | lemme try with mouse plugged in |
| 14:39.17 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok |
| 14:39.18 | iciclebox | I've put S99gpm into /etc/rc2.d to start it on runtime. how do I start it with command line parameters too? |
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| 14:39.24 | lunitik | vin`: haha... ironic ;) |
| 14:39.57 | subgv | what is the command to select either 'xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg'? |
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| 14:40.48 | jm_ | iciclebox: they're set in gpm config file |
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| 14:41.10 | ircdevil | which is better, ispell or aspell ? |
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| 14:41.30 | strider | subgv: huh? |
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| 14:42.12 | plbgnr | hello, how can i register nick? |
| 14:42.19 | bibe | DJ-Marcuzz : on my laptop, I configure the touchpad as the only CorePointer, while the external USB mouse is configured with Option "SendCoreEvents", so I can use X both with/without the external mouse, and without warning |
| 14:42.29 | iciclebox | jm_: could I edit it in the /etc/init.d/gpm script? |
| 14:42.30 | jm_ | plbgnr: did you read the message you got when joining #debian? |
| 14:42.31 | strider | plbgnr: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:42.32 | darrh00 | which debian-based linux is the best choice for a IBM T series notebook?any suggestions? |
| 14:42.34 | jm_ | iciclebox: no |
| 14:42.43 | bibe | plbgnr: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 14:43.12 | gypsymauro | 3~I'm t/wc |
| 14:43.12 | iciclebox | additionally, can I change my root username, and is there a need to? |
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| 14:43.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | well the keyboard int responding anymore after it hangs the xserver not even numlock works, but when i plug in a mouse it gives some scrambled text that its plugged in but it still aint responding, but the server will be booting often without mouse, so hw to keep it from crashing without a mouse |
| 14:43.19 | SerajewelKS | i've figured out that my linux system clock starts drifting after i've been in windows for any amount of time |
| 14:43.20 | jharrisonwk | strider: are you also known as aragorn? |
| 14:43.31 | fireba11 | iciclebox: not possible and no need to |
| 14:43.46 | jm_ | you can tell it to ignore the fact mouse is not plugged in, read the man page |
| 14:43.55 | subgv | strider: when I type 'startx' it starts to start Xorg, but I want my old xfree86 back. How do I configure it so it gives me xfree86 instead of xorg? |
| 14:44.14 | vin` | subgv: why? |
| 14:44.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | bibi, do you know how to ignore or should i read trough the whole man pages |
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| 14:44.25 | zophyx | DJ-Marcuzz: plug the connectors into the correct ports |
| 14:44.26 | subgv | vin`: xorg not work for me =( |
| 14:44.28 | bibe | SerajewelKS : grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS should return UTC=no |
| 14:44.31 | stew | subgv: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 14:44.38 | subgv | unstable |
| 14:44.46 | SerajewelKS | bibe: it does |
| 14:44.47 | iciclebox | fireba11: won't that make it more susceptible to hacking attempts? i.e. just guess the password only |
| 14:45.13 | vin` | subgv: what errors? |
| 14:45.16 | plbgnr | thanks |
| 14:45.18 | fireba11 | iciclebox: you can disable ssh for root and thus force a user login and su after taht |
| 14:45.21 | bibe | DJ-Marcuzz : I don't remember the whole man page right now... ;) |
| 14:45.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | zophyx, i have all works but nothing response after the xserver crashes |
| 14:45.28 | SerajewelKS | bibe: i can fix it with: /etc/init.d/ntp-server stop; /etc/init.d/ntpdate start; rm -f /etc/adjtime; adjtimex -f 0 -t 10000; /etc/init.d/ntp-server start |
| 14:45.30 | fireba11 | iciclebox: su with password of course |
| 14:45.35 | subgv | vin`: drivers does not exist |
| 14:45.37 | SerajewelKS | bibe: but it's annoying to have to do that every time i visit 'doze |
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| 14:45.43 | iciclebox | fireba11: ok thanks |
| 14:45.52 | vin` | subgv: unlikely. |
| 14:46.03 | fireba11 | iciclebox: but personally i think a good root password is enough |
| 14:46.08 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: make it so that ntpdate starts at boot (it should by default), after that ntpd shall work fine |
| 14:46.11 | stew | subgv: xfree doesn't exist in unstable any more and is not supported under unstable |
| 14:46.16 | SerajewelKS | bibe: but it does seem that some kind of timezone oddity is going on. it drifted about 15 minutes ahead in six or so hours. |
| 14:46.22 | SerajewelKS | jm_: it does |
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| 14:46.36 | bibe | SerajewelKS : for now, you can put a script in /etc/init.d and enable it with update-rc.d ... |
| 14:46.42 | strider | jharrisonwk: actually, the nick's from Led Zep |
| 14:46.48 | subgv | stew: what about testing? |
| 14:46.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure if the drift occurs because of windows or because of the reboot |
| 14:47.01 | jharrisonwk | strider: ah |
| 14:47.02 | d4d0|work | !kp mantra |
| 14:47.02 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 14:47.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available -_-' |
| 14:47.23 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: then I don't see why ntpd is not syncing it, it should work fine after it's synced with ntpdate (before ntpd is started I guess) |
| 14:47.26 | jm_ | but I have to go now |
| 14:47.37 | SerajewelKS | of course it *should* work |
| 14:47.43 | bibe | SerajewelKS : but it seems very strange, try adjusting the hardware clock manually |
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| 14:48.07 | stew | subgv: not in testing either |
| 14:48.12 | SerajewelKS | IIRC the timezone stuff on linux has issues at boot anyway, usually when running fsck (superblock write times in future if clock is not UTC) |
| 14:48.33 | SerajewelKS | who knows if this is related (unlikely though) |
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| 14:49.04 | iciclebox | is it possible that when I type man <command>, it automatically becomes man <command> | more |
| 14:49.37 | SerajewelKS | bibe: later i'll try just rebooting and see what happens. when i reboot it's usually to go into 'doze, otherwise i don't need to reboot. if it happens then, then i will know something is afoot. |
| 14:49.46 | diana_ | What is a good easy as hell and simple proxy server I can use...Just to direct traffic from one ip to another, and that's it. |
| 14:49.53 | diana_ | something easy to setup(not squid) |
| 14:50.13 | SerajewelKS | diana_: if you're already running apache, it's got mod_proxy |
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| 14:51.57 | DirkGently | iciclebox: alias man to man -P more |
| 14:52.36 | iciclebox | DirkGently: thanks |
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| 14:53.27 | diana_ | SerajewelKS: I want to setup a proxy so people can connect to my icecast2 server, the ip I'm on now can't be accessed from the internet. But I have access to an ip that does, and I want to setup a simple proxy to foward port 8001 to my ip |
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| 14:53.45 | fireba11 | diana_: jsut forward the prot to it ?? |
| 14:53.58 | fireba11 | ups |
| 14:53.59 | martin | hey :) I've just installed kernel-image-2.6.15-1-k8. when I try to boot, I get a message about vgchange not found (in initrd's scripts/level-top/lvm) and I got a busybox shell. any ideas? |
| 14:53.59 | iciclebox | DirkGently: hmm, what is the package name for alias? |
| 14:53.59 | fireba11 | diana_: just forward the port to it |
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| 14:55.03 | SerajewelKS | diana_: is there an ssh server on the "proxy" box? |
| 14:55.18 | DirkGently | iciclebox: better still: export MANOPT="-P more" |
| 14:55.28 | DirkGently | put that in your .bashrc |
| 14:55.33 | SerajewelKS | diana_: if so you could do something like: ssh -R :8001:127.0.0.1:8001 you@external.server |
| 14:55.39 | iciclebox | DirkGently: thanks |
| 14:55.49 | SerajewelKS | diana_: RTFM on ssh -R for details on what this is doing |
| 14:56.01 | strider | iciclebox: you already have it :P |
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| 14:56.10 | DirkGently | alias is a standard command |
| 14:56.17 | diana_ | SerajewelKS: I wanted to use something I can run as non-root |
| 14:56.24 | diana_ | SerajewelKS: something I can compile as non-root |
| 14:56.29 | iciclebox | ah, but I had to apt-get install alias. and it seems to be a package for perl |
| 14:56.30 | bushito | how can i know what kernel i am running? |
| 14:56.38 | Sonny | do you know how can I install another language to the dictionary app? |
| 14:56.38 | diana_ | bushito: uname -r |
| 14:56.46 | fireba11 | diana_: you don't have to run any program for that .. you can just forward the port using iptables |
| 14:57.03 | strider | iciclebox: man bash |
| 14:57.06 | diana_ | Sonny: apt-cache search language|grep -i dictionary |
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| 14:57.18 | diana_ | fireba11: I need to be root to use iptables |
| 14:57.34 | tonix | hy guys, i'm using snort on sarge, and i just want to log to /var/log/snort/. In /etc/snort.conf.eth0 i just put the output alert_syslog: LOG_AUTH LOG_ALERT option. Is it right? i don't see anything logged in /var/log/snort/alert. Why? |
| 14:57.34 | Woody^working | Got this problem: If I use a non local session, e.g. ssh, I can not display characters right, cause I don't have $LANG set. The weird part is, that I have it set, when working local. Any suggestions ? |
| 14:57.43 | fireba11 | diana_: true .. you're not root on that box ? |
| 14:57.56 | diana_ | Woody^working: You have to export it. |
| 14:57.58 | bushito | *msg dpkg !ati |
| 14:57.59 | diana_ | !tell Woody^working about export |
| 14:58.04 | fireba11 | Woody^working: set it on the remote box as well |
| 14:58.06 | Woody^working | diana: I know about export |
| 14:58.10 | diana_ | bushito: /msg dpkg ati |
| 14:58.14 | Woody^working | I just didn't have the problem yesterday |
| 14:58.18 | bushito | =o oh sorry >_< |
| 14:58.38 | Woody^working | fireba11: What do you mean with set it on the remote box as well ? |
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| 14:59.05 | Woody^working | Is there a config used by ssh to _not_ export it when using ssh ? |
| 14:59.08 | fireba11 | Woody^working: if you ssh to a box it uses the lang variable of the remote user |
| 14:59.12 | Sonny | diana, there's no spanish :( |
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| 14:59.37 | Woody^working | fireba11: But it is set if I work local, only not if I use ssh. |
| 14:59.41 | iciclebox | hmm, xserver refuses to load |
| 14:59.49 | iciclebox | I looked through the log, but couldn't find any 'FATAL' error |
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| 15:00.12 | diana_ | !tell Sonny about es |
| 15:00.12 | iciclebox | there were warnings about font renderer though |
| 15:00.20 | Woody^working | diana: On issues with iptables, why not go to #iptables ? |
| 15:00.27 | diana_ | Sonny: maybe if you ask there they will know where a dictionary for spanish is. |
| 15:00.31 | fireba11 | Woody^working: so you got box a and b .. if you work at a or b locally it's fine but when you ssh from a to b it's not ? |
| 15:00.41 | diana_ | Woody^working: Because I don't have issues with iptables. |
| 15:00.48 | Woody^working | fireba11: Right. That is the prob |
| 15:01.04 | Sonny | do you know an application like "babylon" for linux? |
| 15:01.07 | Woody^working | diana: I didn't read everything, I cleared the screen before I wrote. |
| 15:01.32 | fireba11 | Woody^working: with the same variable set on a and b ?? |
| 15:01.45 | Woody^working | fireba11: yes |
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| 15:01.57 | Woody^working | fireba11: I didn't screw with pam nor sshd_config |
| 15:02.01 | smo_ | hi all i need help for cdrecord with kernel 2.6.15 here s the syslog and shell "logs" http://pastebin.com/543269 |
| 15:02.02 | smo_ | thx |
| 15:02.22 | iciclebox | does anyone know how I can figure out why X refuses to load? |
| 15:02.23 | Woody^working | That is why I am asking. |
| 15:02.42 | fireba11 | Woody^working: that's wired .. |
| 15:02.44 | diana_ | !tell iciclebox about logs |
| 15:02.45 | Woody^working | iciclebox: Did you read .xsession-errors ? |
| 15:03.06 | Woody^working | iciclebox: Check your .Xauthority |
| 15:03.21 | ivanneto | Can anyone help me install a HP 820 (winprinter) on CUPS? |
| 15:03.33 | Woody^working | fireba11: I can only assume it has to be ssh, but how :-( |
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| 15:04.24 | RogueDopple | where can i get one |
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| 15:04.34 | smo_ | any burning relted channels on freenode?? |
| 15:04.38 | smo_ | related |
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| 15:05.05 | Thanatests | http://pastebin.com/543281 <-- what is bad ? |
| 15:05.20 | iciclebox | Woody^working: locales not supported on server |
| 15:05.41 | iciclebox | that's the error I get |
| 15:05.47 | smo_ | won t burn cd thana |
| 15:05.55 | smo_ | timeout ans freeze |
| 15:05.57 | Woody^working | Yes, I "-reconfigured" that before. I have "fonty" and "console-data" configured properly. |
| 15:06.06 | Woody^working | Oh, your prob. |
| 15:06.08 | smo_ | i have to reboot!!! crazy and boring |
| 15:06.33 | Woody^working | iciclebox: run as root: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 15:06.58 | iciclebox | hah. locales not installed. let me grab it |
| 15:06.59 | Thanatests | wont burn CD smo_ ? o_O |
| 15:07.12 | smo_ | yeah i can t burn cd |
| 15:07.16 | Woody^working | And then check with "echo $LANG" |
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| 15:07.41 | Woody^working | fireba11: I will check out my sshd_config again. bbs |
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| 15:08.47 | Thanatests | smo_, do you have sayed a more recent version of cdrecord or kernel ? |
| 15:08.51 | iciclebox | how do you apt-get a package by filename? |
| 15:09.02 | fireba11 | iciclebox: ? |
| 15:09.03 | ronin | iciclebox: apt-get install foo |
| 15:09.04 | Thanatests | iciclebox, apt-get install name |
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| 15:09.57 | smo_ | i have kernel 2.6.15 Thanatests |
| 15:10.05 | smo_ | i tried 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:10.06 | smo_ | same |
| 15:10.08 | smo_ | 2.4 too |
| 15:10.39 | Thanatests | smo_, 2.6.15 is too recent for your cdrecord i think |
| 15:10.40 | iciclebox | hmm, I have a broken dependency. requires glibc, yet when I try to apt-get glibc, it selects libc6 instead |
| 15:10.44 | diana_ | smo_: What cdrw/dvdrw do you have? model/manufacturer? |
| 15:10.45 | LSorensen | smo_: what device is your burner? |
| 15:10.53 | smo_ | /dev/hdd |
| 15:10.54 | Thanatests | http://pastebin.com/543281 <-- what is bad ? |
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| 15:10.59 | LSorensen | smo_: what is /dev/hdc? |
| 15:11.03 | diana_ | smo_: You sure it's not /dev/hdc? |
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| 15:11.16 | smo_ | sure it s hdd |
| 15:11.24 | LSorensen | smo_: so what device do you have as hdc? |
| 15:11.36 | smo_ | Vendor_info : 'CyberDrv' |
| 15:11.36 | smo_ | Identifikation : 'CW058D CD-R/RW ' |
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| 15:11.49 | smo_ | /dev/hdc was a dvd |
| 15:11.51 | tombs | hi all |
| 15:11.52 | smo_ | but i removed it |
| 15:12.11 | LSorensen | smo_: then change the writer to hdc. ide should not ever have a slave without a master. |
| 15:12.27 | iciclebox | hmm, I have a broken dependency. requires glibc, yet when I try to apt-get glibc, it selects libc6 instead. how do I resolve it? |
| 15:12.28 | LSorensen | smo_: it doesn't always cause problems, but it can and it violates the ide specifications |
| 15:12.37 | LSorensen | iciclebox: libc6 is glibc |
| 15:12.47 | smo_ | i see |
| 15:12.54 | iciclebox | LSorensen: but the system refuse to install locales |
| 15:13.00 | bushito | where can i find the kernel sources for 2.6.12?? |
| 15:13.00 | jfs | smo_: do you use the right driver for your device? do you use atapi (preferred) or ide-scsi? |
| 15:13.01 | LSorensen | smo_: what command line do you use for cdrecord? |
| 15:13.02 | azeem | iciclebox: is this Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 15:13.05 | iciclebox | LSorensen: it thinks glibc is missing |
| 15:13.08 | iciclebox | azeem: Debian |
| 15:13.12 | iciclebox | sarge |
| 15:13.15 | cisse | bushito: use apt to find it, apt-cache search 2.6.12 perhaps |
| 15:13.17 | azeem | iciclebox: eh |
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| 15:13.26 | LSorensen | iciclebox: hmm, odd. which version of locales and libc6 do you currently have? |
| 15:13.27 | azeem | iciclebox: what versions of locales and libc6 do you have installed? |
| 15:13.27 | smo_ | cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 speed=10 padsize=63s -pad -dao -v -eject the.iso |
| 15:13.43 | smo_ | i use this command... |
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| 15:13.49 | iciclebox | libc6 2.3.5-8 |
| 15:13.52 | iciclebox | locales is not installed |
| 15:13.53 | LSorensen | smo_: how about: cdrecord -dev ATAPI:/dev/hdd speed=10 padsize=63s -pad -dao -v -eject the.iso |
| 15:13.57 | smo_ | most part of the time if i use cdrecord -sccanbus i have no result |
| 15:14.13 | jfs | smo_: cdrecord -dirver help, or see the cdrecord website for infos about which driver to use for which burner model |
| 15:14.13 | LSorensen | smo_: you you would need cdrecord -scanbus -dev ATAPI: |
| 15:14.14 | pengol | hi all ... I need to share a filesystem among several hosts for a configuration/run space is there a preferred location for it? |
| 15:14.24 | smo_ | http://pastebin.com/543281 look Lsorensen |
| 15:14.25 | jfs | smo_: err, cdrecord -driver help |
| 15:14.29 | smo_ | at top it s the syslog |
| 15:14.56 | smo_ | i have problems with apic too |
| 15:15.03 | iciclebox | azeem: libc6 2.3.5-8. locales not installed |
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| 15:15.10 | LSorensen | smo_: I get something about locales there |
| 15:15.15 | iciclebox | LSorensen: libc6 2.3.5-8. locales not installed |
| 15:15.17 | jfs | pengol: what do you mean? which software to use? |
| 15:15.26 | LSorensen | iciclebox: that is not libc6 for sarge. that is sid/etch |
| 15:15.27 | smo_ | ? |
| 15:15.28 | azeem | iciclebox: that is not sarge |
| 15:15.30 | LSorensen | iciclebox: you are NOT running sarge |
| 15:15.51 | iciclebox | I did upgrade some packages to etch |
| 15:15.59 | azeem | iciclebox: your best bet is to apt-get install locales=2.3.5-8 |
| 15:16.00 | LSorensen | iciclebox: then you are running etch. finish the upgrade |
| 15:16.00 | iciclebox | so I can't bring them back to sarge? |
| 15:16.11 | xam | iciclebox: heh, no |
| 15:16.12 | LSorensen | iciclebox: you can try: apt-get install libc6/stable |
| 15:16.19 | iciclebox | now I'm running half sarge, half etch |
| 15:16.20 | ddunham | Where can I get some good how-to's on compiling apache2 w/ php and ssl? |
| 15:16.31 | LSorensen | ddunham: doesn't it come that way in debian? |
| 15:16.31 | azeem | iciclebox: I'd say try to install etch's locales |
| 15:16.33 | jfs | pengol: i always try to remain with the FHS (http://www.pathname.com/fhs/) |
| 15:16.40 | jjazz | ddunham: I believe the apache2 package has php and ssl support. |
| 15:16.45 | ddunham | hmm.. |
| 15:16.50 | smo_ | LSorensen smo_: I get something about locales there?? |
| 15:16.57 | diana_ | ddunham: Just apt-get install apache2 php4, and then you're done. |
| 15:17.00 | pengol | FHS doesn't mention anyting about this |
| 15:17.03 | LSorensen | smo_: the pastebin thing you mentioned |
| 15:17.07 | LSorensen | smo_: nothing about syslog |
| 15:17.10 | iciclebox | LSorensen: it works, but they tell me I'm doing something potentially harmful |
| 15:17.15 | iciclebox | azeem: I'll install etch's locales then |
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| 15:17.22 | LSorensen | iciclebox: ehm is it saying it will remove something? |
| 15:17.23 | jfs | pengol: if you want to serve for other clients it's supposed to be within /srv |
| 15:17.30 | LSorensen | iciclebox: if it does, say no. |
| 15:17.34 | iciclebox | LSorensen: heh. lots lots |
| 15:17.35 | smo_ | http://pastebin.com/543269 |
| 15:17.41 | iciclebox | LSorensen: I'll go for etch locales to be safe |
| 15:17.44 | pengol | jfs: there is a mater server a master replacement and the clients |
| 15:17.48 | LSorensen | iciclebox: then don't do that. you probably installed way too much from etch. |
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| 15:17.55 | LSorensen | iciclebox: I think you may as well just move entirely to etch |
| 15:18.01 | azeem | LSorensen: why? |
| 15:18.04 | jfs | pengol: fine, and what's your problem? |
| 15:18.04 | pengol | master server and replacement need to share some run space |
| 15:18.13 | LSorensen | azeem: at least then it will be consistent and supported by other people |
| 15:18.16 | azeem | as long as installing locales fixes this, it is fine to just have libc6 from etch |
| 15:18.21 | ddunham | sweet... thanks |
| 15:18.24 | pengol | what's the correct location for that space? |
| 15:18.24 | iciclebox | LSorensen: yes. although it seems etch has no locales! |
| 15:18.33 | LSorensen | iciclebox: that seems unlikely |
| 15:18.43 | iciclebox | LSorensen: apt-get install locales/testing |
| 15:18.44 | pengol | jfs: I'd like to make a deb package for this software |
| 15:18.59 | iciclebox | LSorensen: unless I need to update my apt-cache |
| 15:19.09 | iciclebox | bbs |
| 15:19.34 | LSorensen | iciclebox: that may help. |
| 15:19.40 | smo_ | LSorensen: you see now?? http://pastebin.com/543269 |
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| 15:19.59 | LSorensen | smo_:smo: yes |
| 15:20.37 | smo_ | 7971 pts/0 00:00:05 cdrecord.mmap this process is freezed now |
| 15:20.40 | smo_ | can t kill it... |
| 15:20.52 | LSorensen | smo_: the dma disabling in the syslog may be caused by not having a master device on the ide bus |
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| 15:21.13 | smo_ | not my pc i havn t look |
| 15:21.14 | LSorensen | smo_: and it looks like the drive got confused by that |
| 15:21.20 | pengol | jfs: /srv can be specifyed for a deb package? |
| 15:21.28 | smo_ | possible this cd rom is secondary slave |
| 15:21.31 | smo_ | not master yeah |
| 15:21.40 | smo_ | ok |
| 15:21.51 | smo_ | i ll reboot and correct it... |
| 15:21.51 | LSorensen | smo_: so my recomendations are: change the writer to master (hdc), check for a newer bios, check for newer firmware for the cd writer. |
| 15:21.56 | MrNaz | anybody here know how to set up software raid during the install? |
| 15:22.11 | LSorensen | MrNaz: sure. it was pretty simple when i tried it |
| 15:22.11 | smo_ | how i change drive letter? permanently?? |
| 15:22.20 | fireba11 | MrNaz: yes .. that's pretty easy |
| 15:22.23 | LSorensen | smo_: move the jumper on the writer from slave to master |
| 15:22.37 | smo_ | ah ok... |
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| 15:22.42 | smo_ | thx |
| 15:22.43 | MrNaz | LSorensen well every time i try to do it, it fails when writing the filesystems to disk |
| 15:22.44 | LSorensen | smo_: that is the only way |
| 15:22.47 | fireba11 | smo_: if you got a drive letter you are using windows ^^ |
| 15:22.53 | jfs | pengol: since debian's packages are not really using /srv yet, i'd stick with anything in /var |
| 15:22.53 | LSorensen | MrNaz: odd. never had it fail when I set it up |
| 15:22.58 | smo_ | ;) |
| 15:23.06 | MrNaz | LSorensen also do you know if i can do raid 0+1 ? |
| 15:23.07 | LSorensen | MrNaz: I have used software raid1 with ext3 and sometimes LVM |
| 15:23.09 | pengol | jfs: but that space need to be shared |
| 15:23.10 | fireba11 | MrNaz: checked your HDs |
| 15:23.10 | MrNaz | i have 4 disks |
| 15:23.15 | pengol | jfs: with nfs |
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| 15:23.21 | MrNaz | fireba11 they are brand new wd raptors |
| 15:23.23 | LSorensen | MrNaz: Not sure if you can easily. |
| 15:23.29 | LSorensen | MrNaz: certainly can't boot from it |
| 15:23.34 | fireba11 | MrNaz: my last brand-new WD didn't last 24 hours |
| 15:23.46 | LSorensen | fireba11: that is a very good time to die. |
| 15:23.48 | MrNaz | LSorensen ok can i then have 2 x raid1 arrays |
| 15:23.52 | MrNaz | that's just as good |
| 15:23.53 | LSorensen | MrNaz: sure |
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| 15:24.22 | MrNaz | LSorensen ok i'll fire up my server again and give it another go... do you mind helping me through? |
| 15:24.24 | fireba11 | LSorensen: it was in fact since there was no data on it .. only partitioned, formated and mounted so far :-) |
| 15:24.29 | LSorensen | MrNaz: just create identical partitions on two drives, then enter the raid setup from the partition menu and create a raid1 using those partitions. repeat for the other pair. then assign filesystems to the raid |
| 15:24.52 | LSorensen | fireba11: I had an 80G maxtor die 4 hours after installing. had it been a week I would have been annoyed |
| 15:25.00 | MrNaz | LSorensen i would have thought you'd define the disks as mirrors BEFORE partitioning... |
| 15:25.16 | LSorensen | MrNaz: no software raid in linux runs raid on top of partitions |
| 15:25.22 | LSorensen | MrNaz: at least that is the simplest way |
| 15:25.32 | LSorensen | MrNaz: you set the partitin type to raid autodetect |
| 15:25.43 | MrNaz | so i have to create partitions with no filesystems, then set them as raid volumes, then create the filesystems? |
| 15:25.51 | LSorensen | MrNaz: yes |
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| 15:26.14 | MrNaz | thats what i tried last time... |
| 15:26.22 | LSorensen | MrNaz: and if you want multiple partitions, either make multiple partitions and make each its own raid, or you can make a large raid and put lvm on it and use lvm for partitions |
| 15:26.25 | orjan | Using putty and open mc on remote works ok, when I start screen I can't use function keys in mc any more, is it something that has to be configured in screen? |
| 15:26.33 | fireba11 | er .. how to check what kernel version is currently RUNNING ? :-) |
| 15:26.35 | LSorensen | MrNaz: don't try to partition the raid |
| 15:26.40 | MrNaz | i didnt... |
| 15:26.41 | azeem | fireba11: uname -a |
| 15:26.43 | peterS | fireba11: uname -r |
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| 15:26.47 | LSorensen | MrNaz: it is technically possible but not supported in general |
| 15:27.02 | fireba11 | azeem peterS thanks .. |
| 15:27.24 | MrNaz | i set up each disk with exactly the same partitioning scheme... then set each pair to "linux raid" type... then set them up as raid1 volumes... then made the filesystems |
| 15:27.42 | LSorensen | MrNaz: works here. which filesystem did you pick? |
| 15:27.49 | LSorensen | MrNaz: and did you use 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:27.55 | doub | fireba11: it's running so fast it's quite hard to catch it, actually |
| 15:27.57 | ddunham | LSorensen: I tried compiling apache2 from source and was successful, but now how to I remove it to install the apt-get version... or should i not worry as there will be no conflicts? |
| 15:28.00 | MrNaz | 2.6 |
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| 15:28.12 | MrNaz | 2.4 doesnt even detect the nvidia chipsets |
| 15:28.19 | LSorensen | ddunham: ehm, yo uinstalled it to /usr/local right? Just go delete the files you installed |
| 15:28.37 | LSorensen | MrNaz: ok. so which filesystem fails to create? |
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| 15:28.57 | MrNaz | the first one... mounted at / with ext3 and 70gb |
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| 15:29.39 | k31th | Hi |
| 15:29.52 | lebifteksauvage | hi |
| 15:30.08 | LSorensen | MrNaz: and it fails to create the filesystem? |
| 15:30.11 | LSorensen | MrNaz: what error? |
| 15:30.28 | fireba11 | doub yay |
| 15:30.31 | MrNaz | yea... it doesnt give any detail.. just "filesystem creation error" or something equally generic |
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| 15:30.48 | fireba11 | MrNaz: sounds fishy |
| 15:30.53 | Echo9 | Oookay... so... er... being a noob, it seems I've been stupid in configuring my Debian box and I guess (heh) I've been owned by some script kiddie. Apart from apache logs, what's a good way to find out what part of my configuration was insecure? |
| 15:30.54 | iciclebox | is it necessary to have /boot on another partition apart from /? |
| 15:31.17 | fireba11 | MrNaz: i suggest you take a few minutes, take the WD HDtool and run a quick check you your 4 disks .. just to make sure |
| 15:31.18 | jjazz | Echo9: chrootkit |
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| 15:31.21 | ddunham | Echo9: why do you think u were owned |
| 15:31.26 | jjazz | Echo9: er... chkrootkit |
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| 15:32.03 | MrNaz | fireba11 isnt there a linux bootable cd i can use for hdd testing? |
| 15:32.08 | amphi | iciclebox: no |
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| 15:32.25 | iciclebox | amphi: I know it's not mandatory, but are there obvious benefits? |
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| 15:32.29 | fireba11 | MrNaz: hitachi provides bootable ISO .. maybe WD got something similiar |
| 15:32.47 | fireba11 | or try UBCD |
| 15:33.02 | Microsucks | Hello |
| 15:33.03 | Echo9 | ddunham: my passwords don't work; I'm getting "INIT: Id "#" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" messages all the time, getting segmentation faults trying to run any programs... er... I would *hope* it doesn't just get like this by itself. |
| 15:33.06 | fireba11 | MrNaz: see http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 15:33.18 | Echo9 | chkrootkit huh... er... *googles* |
| 15:33.20 | fireba11 | MrNaz: that one got all HDs vendors tools |
| 15:34.01 | jjazz | Echo9: apt-get install chkrootkit rkhunter |
| 15:34.06 | fireba11 | Echo9: that sounds like either the box is broken or someone messed with it |
| 15:34.19 | Echo9 | No one could have messed with it. |
| 15:34.21 | xam | iciclebox: it used to be mandatory, due to bootloader/BIOS limitations. This should be a no-issue anymore |
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| 15:34.51 | iciclebox | xam: thanks |
| 15:34.55 | fireba11 | Echo9: "messed with it" could also mean hacked it .. |
| 15:35.11 | Echo9 | Ok, right, fireba11 :p |
| 15:35.38 | Echo9 | Running chkrootkit now... aptitude worked, which I consider strange. |
| 15:35.47 | Echo9 | tar doesn't work, for example. |
| 15:36.32 | doub | Echo9: maybe some filesystem corruption |
| 15:36.47 | Echo9 | fs corruption huh? Hm... |
| 15:36.58 | Echo9 | Okay, chkrootkit has hanged... |
| 15:37.07 | fireba11 | doub possible, but that usually got a reason too |
| 15:37.08 | ddunham | fuck what am i forgetting |
| 15:37.24 | doub | Echo9: you'd better do all your tests from some live cd |
| 15:37.32 | [Bart] | hi, Ive updated my debian kernel to 2.6.15-1-686, and since that upgrade a lot of applications are giving segmentation faults. For example Skype & digikam. Anybody knows if this is a known issue? |
| 15:37.42 | ddunham | I have compiled apache2.. it works good, now my php enabled sites wont load... tries to download them... i went into apache2.conf and uncommented the php directives... anyone? |
| 15:37.59 | Echo9 | Ok... quick recommendation for what I should use? Think I have a Knoppix ISO here, so I can use that I guess. |
| 15:38.34 | LSorensen | MrNaz: did you check the console 3 and 4 logs in the installer? |
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| 15:38.39 | fireba11 | ddunham: in apache2 you need to symlink the php stuff from /etc7apache/modules-availble to /etc/apache2/modules-enabled |
| 15:38.55 | doub | Echo9: don't quite know, actually knoppix seems to lack useful forensics tools, but has chrootkit IIRC |
| 15:39.09 | Echo9 | Ok. |
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| 15:39.17 | doub | Echo9: there's also debian from scratch, which is good, but you'll need a working system to create the CD |
| 15:39.21 | ddunham | fireball: theres no php in there |
| 15:39.28 | fireba11 | Echo9: you might want to try http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 15:39.34 | cheal | [Bart]: look at the BTS. skype isn't supported here |
| 15:39.35 | Echo9 | Debian from scratch? You mean the 40 MB network install ISO? |
| 15:39.46 | fireba11 | ddunham: did you compile php ? |
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| 15:40.00 | fireba11 | ddunham: the usual libapache2-mod-php4 puts its stuff there |
| 15:40.03 | MrNaz | LSorensen http://www.mrnaz.com/static/CIMG2496.JPG <-- this is what i have so far... now i create raid1 volumes from SCSI1#1/SCSI2#1 and SCSI1#2/SCS2#2 etc.. correct? |
| 15:40.10 | doub | Echo9: no, it's a debian packaged tool to automatically build a livecd, with whatever packages you want in |
| 15:40.12 | MrNaz | fireba11 got the UBCD i'll do a test |
| 15:40.15 | ddunham | fireball: ya apt-get install php4... already at the latest version |
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| 15:40.30 | doub | Echo9: see the dfsbuild package |
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| 15:41.00 | MrNaz | SCSI1 and SCSI2 will be mirrors of each other, as will SCSI3 and SCSI4 |
| 15:41.14 | Echo9 | Hm, all I have is a Windows machine and a Mac... eh... I'll download that ISO from http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 15:41.18 | fireba11 | ddunham: not php4 but libapache2-mod-php4 .. you do't want standalone php but the apache module most likely |
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| 15:42.15 | LSorensen | MrNaz: your swap isn't on raid. |
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| 15:42.32 | fireba11 | MrNaz: it doesn't have to but i would put it there too |
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| 15:42.50 | [Bart] | cheal : I know that skype is not supported, but thats just an example. |
| 15:42.51 | LSorensen | MrNaz: that means a drive failure will crash the system and could cause data loss. |
| 15:42.58 | LSorensen | MrNaz: that seems like a bad idea |
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| 15:43.40 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:43.41 | fireba11 | LSorensen: as far as my knowledge and my own tests go system will halt on disk failure anyway |
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| 15:43.47 | Echo9 | Ok, I'll go AFK and get some food while this ISO downloads... thanks guys |
| 15:43.48 | LSorensen | fireba11: not in my experience |
| 15:44.02 | MrNaz | LSorensen thats not at all what i intended |
| 15:44.04 | LSorensen | fireba11: I have had disks fail and it keeps running from the raid until I shut it down and replace the dead disk |
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| 15:44.20 | LSorensen | fireba11: then change the swap partitions to raid and create a raid for that too |
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| 15:44.53 | fireba11 | LSorensen: i did that .. tried to unplug a HD and system halted .. and i found no way to make it just continue running |
| 15:44.55 | smo_ | Lsorensen: same thing with drive as hdc.... only cange in the syslog is ide1: reset: success at end |
| 15:45.06 | LSorensen | fireba11: personally I am a fan of LVM on raid so I can resize volumes later when needed. I just make one raid for / and another raid for LVM. swap, /home, etc all go in LVM volumes |
| 15:45.08 | smo_ | then exactly same thing |
| 15:45.14 | LSorensen | fireba11: what kind of disk? |
| 15:45.20 | LSorensen | fireba11: and what did you unplug? |
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| 15:45.23 | fireba11 | LSorensen: SATA |
| 15:45.37 | LSorensen | fireba11: did you unplug power or data? |
| 15:45.46 | fireba11 | LSorensen: i just unplugged power to it ... |
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| 15:46.06 | LSorensen | fireba11: hmm. if that halts the system, then I think you have a bad sata controller chip design |
| 15:46.16 | LSorensen | fireba11: I have done that on ide and sata and scsi and never had a problem yet |
| 15:46.27 | ddunham | fuck |
| 15:46.33 | fireba11 | LSorensen: could be .. cheap onboard thingie .. had hotplug support written on the box though |
| 15:46.34 | ddunham | I fucked this apache installation up! |
| 15:46.38 | ddunham | haha |
| 15:46.39 | ronin | ddunham: no thanks your not my type |
| 15:46.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | i found "AllowMouseOpenFail" "True" for xfree86 but whats the allow keyboard en mouse open fail for xorg? |
| 15:47.00 | LSorensen | fireba11: hmm, many only do hotswap with a proprietary driver |
| 15:47.06 | fireba11 | LSorensen: anyway, i'm off for today |
| 15:47.19 | LSorensen | fireba11: not having swap on raid is a sure way to crash though |
| 15:47.48 | fireba11 | LSorensen: could be .. it's not that much of a problem ... if a HD fails i will notice at least ;-) and i just have to reboot to get it working again, so no sweat |
| 15:47.49 | LSorensen | smo_: well time to check for bios/cdwriter firmware updates perhaps. Or maybe a newer cdrecord version |
| 15:48.00 | LSorensen | fireba11: mdadm emails me when a disk fails |
| 15:48.07 | fireba11 | smo_: you checked if the drive works at all ? |
| 15:48.09 | smo_ | yeah i ll compil one no? |
| 15:48.12 | fireba11 | LSorensen: i know |
| 15:48.14 | ircdevil | i suspect my aspall installation is fubar. how to test? |
| 15:48.32 | MrNaz | LSorensen fireba11 http://www.mrnaz.com/static/CIMG2497.JPG <-- look better? |
| 15:48.33 | smo_ | y i m sure the cdrw works |
| 15:48.33 | LSorensen | smo_: which debian version do you run? |
| 15:49.10 | LSorensen | MrNaz: yes. now go to the raid setup menu to setup the raid volumes on it |
| 15:49.13 | smo_ | i m on sid with kernel 2.6.15 ( i follow audio soft dev, so i need sid....) |
| 15:49.24 | LSorensen | smo_: working doesn't mean no firmware bugs |
| 15:49.30 | xam | DJ-Marcuzz: there is no such option. You can emulate a mouse with the keyboard, that is why there is the "AllowMouseOpenFail" in the first place |
| 15:49.45 | smo_ | i d know how but 2 days ago i was able to burn 1 cd |
| 15:49.48 | smo_ | then never again |
| 15:49.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | well does xorg start without an keyboard? |
| 15:49.55 | smo_ | that s why i know it could work... |
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| 15:50.04 | LSorensen | smo_: drives can fail. maybe you are using bad media now. |
| 15:50.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | becaus without an mouse it won't |
| 15:50.20 | LSorensen | smo_: it is possible 2.6.15 has bugs too. |
| 15:50.27 | LSorensen | smo_: are you root when you burn the cd? |
| 15:50.34 | smo_ | it s an all new cd r tried with cd rw i burned 2 days ago and no results... |
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| 15:50.44 | smo_ | no i m not |
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| 15:50.45 | xam | DJ-Marcuzz: it shouldn't ;) |
| 15:50.48 | LSorensen | smo_: you MUST be. |
| 15:50.48 | smo_ | even if i m it sthe same |
| 15:50.58 | DJ-Marcuzz | xam, whu not? |
| 15:51.00 | LSorensen | smo_: especially with the latest kernels |
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| 15:51.05 | LSorensen | smo_: suid root is not good enough |
| 15:51.16 | smo_ | good to know |
| 15:51.20 | smo_ | but i tried.. |
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| 15:51.24 | xam | DJ-Marcuzz: I just told you |
| 15:51.30 | LSorensen | smo_: I think they hope to fix that problem soon, but for now that is the general recomendation |
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| 15:51.38 | fhffhqvb | !blame Phated |
| 15:51.39 | LSorensen | smo_: have you tried at a lower burn speed? |
| 15:51.45 | Phated | Eh? |
| 15:51.49 | smo_ | no |
| 15:51.56 | Phated | What did I do, fhffhqvb? |
| 15:51.59 | LSorensen | smo_: and you didn't change brand of disc lately did you? |
| 15:52.02 | fhffhqvb | Phated: because of you i have to run the debstats for 2005 for the third time :-| |
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| 15:52.08 | Phated | fhffhqvb: WHY? |
| 15:52.15 | smo_ | i have 2 brand now |
| 15:52.18 | fhffhqvb | Phated: because you're split into Phated and dyana |
| 15:52.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | so whats the "AllowMouseOpenFail" option in xorg and where to put it? |
| 15:52.27 | smo_ | verbatim and tdk.. |
| 15:52.28 | Phated | fhffhqvb: I wasn't abnormal! YOU mucked it! :) |
| 15:52.33 | LSorensen | smo_: I have personally seen cheap writers spontaniously fail |
| 15:52.34 | fhffhqvb | nein |
| 15:52.39 | Phated | :( |
| 15:52.40 | smo_ | damn |
| 15:52.42 | Phated | Sowwy, then. |
| 15:52.48 | fhffhqvb | it takes like an hour to generate for a year :-P |
| 15:52.58 | Phated | Sorreeeee. |
| 15:53.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | or better, how to not auto start xorg and gdm and such when the pc starts |
| 15:53.09 | LSorensen | smo_: my guess is that your drive is among the cheaper types given I have never heard of it. |
| 15:53.09 | ircdevil | aspell is fucked ... |
| 15:53.17 | LSorensen | smo_: but then again you could try an older kernel |
| 15:53.23 | smo_ | i ll try a apt-build build-source on cdrecord no ? |
| 15:53.25 | Phated | fhffhqvb: I'll make you coffee! |
| 15:53.26 | LSorensen | smo_: see if that helps. if it does, time to file a bug report |
| 15:53.28 | smo_ | i tried 2.6.8 and 2.4 |
| 15:53.32 | smo_ | saame ... |
| 15:53.35 | LSorensen | smo_: same thing? |
| 15:53.35 | xam | !tell DJ-Marcuzz about nodm |
| 15:53.41 | smo_ | yeah |
| 15:53.55 | LSorensen | smo_: tried powering off the system entirely and trying again. sometimes a drive gets confused and has to be powered off to fix it |
| 15:54.03 | jetscreamer | so why does it say you 'have' to use visudo to edit the sudoers file |
| 15:54.08 | smo_ | i have 3 mystic problems on my pc, |
| 15:54.09 | jetscreamer | can't tell you do |
| 15:54.13 | smo_ | i just rebooted... |
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| 15:54.23 | LSorensen | smo_: what other problems? |
| 15:54.33 | LSorensen | smo_: reboot != power off necesarily |
| 15:54.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager thats more like it |
| 15:54.41 | smo_ | kded (damn kde) fail when loading i have many sigart window openng.... |
| 15:54.46 | smo_ | some apic errors |
| 15:54.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | or maybe not then i cant start when i wnat |
| 15:55.01 | LSorensen | smo_: well you could try booting with 'noapic' option on the kernel |
| 15:55.01 | jetscreamer | did you try adding noapic ? |
| 15:55.06 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 15:55.13 | smo_ | and many *** glibc detected*** ..................... (fasttop) |
| 15:55.14 | diana_ | What is a simple proxy server I can easily setup to foward from one ip's port to another's ips port. I need to compile/setup this program as non-root. |
| 15:55.14 | LSorensen | smo_: or upgrade the bios (that fixed a system for me a couple of days ago that had apic errors) |
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| 15:55.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | smo_, you have apic errors 2? i have them on my server 2 its an smp system |
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| 15:55.41 | jetscreamer | too |
| 15:55.44 | sTb | hi dudes, http://web0.vps1523.mb9.de/class_basic.php5 tells me that php5 is installed but http://web0.vps1523.mb9.de/phpinfo.php only shows me php4 what can i do to have php5 displayed on the phpinfo.php ? hi DrBacchus :> |
| 15:55.46 | LSorensen | DJ-Marcuzz: did you check for the latest bios? |
| 15:55.54 | smo_ | yeah 2 apic errors |
| 15:56.00 | sTb | sry i meant class_basic.php |
| 15:56.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | its the leatest bios :( |
| 15:56.08 | raf256 | when I got a source via apt-get source xxx |
| 15:56.12 | raf256 | how to build a .deb? |
| 15:56.18 | raf256 | after making changes to the source |
| 15:56.18 | DJ-Marcuzz | and theyr not always but somethimes |
| 15:56.26 | MrNaz | LSorensen http://www.mrnaz.com/static/raid/ <-- thats the process i followed |
| 15:56.33 | LSorensen | raf256: apt-get source -b xxx (one option) or cd xxx-version and dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b |
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| 15:56.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow and i get the irq: 10 nobody cares.... diabling irq 10 |
| 15:57.00 | kapil | diana: apt-get install redir |
| 15:57.07 | MrNaz | i did the create raid1 array 5 times... one for each partition pair... right? |
| 15:57.10 | smo_ | iasl -tc dsdt.dsl -----> dsdt.dsl 370: Store (Local0, Local0) |
| 15:57.10 | smo_ | Error 1048 - ^ Method local variable is not initialized (Local0) |
| 15:57.14 | MrNaz | and the last pic is what i am currently looking at |
| 15:57.22 | smo_ | for exemple |
| 15:57.37 | LSorensen | MrNaz: looks good. now you can select each #1 raid device and assign filesystem or swap and mount point as required |
| 15:58.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | is the irq 10 thengy bad? |
| 15:58.35 | LSorensen | DJ-Marcuzz: it can be. I had that happen for my sil3112 controller. after upgrading bios it went away and then linux could find the HD (rather than crash) |
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| 15:59.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | well the irq 10 is usb or something |
| 15:59.21 | ronove | I'm having problems with udev; it complains about an altered initrd.img |
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| 16:00.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 10, io base 00009400 |
| 16:00.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.3: irq 10, io base 00009800 |
| 16:00.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | irq 10: nobody cared! |
| 16:00.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | thats the irq error |
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| 16:01.20 | MrNaz | LSorensen http://www.mrnaz.com/static/raid/CIMG2504.JPG is what i now have... note that there is no option to make /boot bootable... will it ask me later? |
| 16:01.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | and i have this one: |
| 16:01.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | [<f0ad9b30>] (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x70 [usbcore]) |
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| 16:02.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | great and the APIC: |
| 16:02.03 | LSorensen | MrNaz: looks ready to go on then |
| 16:02.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | APIC error on CPU1: 40(40) |
| 16:02.11 | DJ-Marcuzz | thats all |
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| 16:02.19 | xam | MrNaz: there is no reason to mark is as bootable. The bootloader doesn't need the flag |
| 16:02.21 | MrNaz | LSorensen the fact that i didnt set /boot as being bootable isnt a problem? |
| 16:03.20 | xam | MrNaz: /boot isn't bootable anyway. It is just the place the kernel usually resides in |
| 16:03.45 | MrNaz | xam aah i see |
| 16:03.47 | xam | MrNaz: the bootloader (lilo/grub/...) is bootable ... |
| 16:03.49 | MrNaz | ok cool |
| 16:03.55 | MrNaz | LSorensen its working |
| 16:03.58 | MrNaz | thanks man! |
| 16:04.06 | MrNaz | i really appreciate your hand holding :) |
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| 16:04.12 | MrNaz | xam thanks to you too |
| 16:04.17 | MrNaz | thanks to everyone else as well |
| 16:04.35 | MrNaz | fireba11 (i will test the disks thoroughly anyway before anything goes on them, this is a production server after all) |
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| 16:05.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | what to do with the irq error? |
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| 16:11.36 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:11.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:12.15 | ircdevil | !cowsay |
| 16:12.15 | dpkg | i heard cowsay is a configurable talking cow, or an absolutely vital program for turning text into happy ASCII cows, or at http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml, or what asg uses to combat the evil Outlook(TM) stationary that is sent to him |
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| 16:12.25 | saloxin | how do i set up a ssh tunnel from one side, which I later can pick up on the other side? ie, i can ssh home from work, but not the other way around, and i need access to my work machine from home |
| 16:13.07 | RogueDopple | eh eh wtf |
| 16:13.11 | ircdevil | saloxin: breaching the firewall, are we? |
| 16:13.25 | saloxin | uhmm, yup |
| 16:13.32 | jjazz | ircdevil: It's not a breach if they allow the outgoing connections. |
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| 16:13.35 | Phated | Eh, if you have a client and no server... how d'you expect to? |
| 16:13.48 | orgy | saloxin: man ssh /-R |
| 16:13.58 | saloxin | i've seen it before, but brain is slow |
| 16:14.00 | ircdevil | jjazz: the idea of firewalls it to allow out, but limit in ... (roughly) |
| 16:14.02 | saloxin | ah thanks orgy |
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| 16:14.17 | Phated | Cool. |
| 16:14.32 | jjazz | ircdevil: Right. This is an out. What difference does it make which end you're sitting at? |
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| 16:15.08 | ircdevil | jjazz: well, outsiders are generally labeled "hostile" |
| 16:15.17 | orgy | jjazz: this is indeed bypassing firewall policies, and most companies would not allow it, even if technically you have limited possibilities to block such things |
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| 16:16.02 | ircdevil | jjazz: get a proxy connection with the firewall admin |
| 16:16.14 | jjazz | ircdevil: He's not an outsider. He's an insider operating from outside. saloxin gets my seal of approval. :P |
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| 16:17.28 | ircdevil | so, if someone tunnels the firewall, how hard would it be for a third party to pick it up? |
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| 16:18.14 | jjazz | ircdevil: I imagine it would be as hard as picking up any other outgoing connection, but I'm no expert. |
| 16:19.21 | orjan | Using putty and opening mc works ok, when I start screen I can't use function keys in mc any more, is it something that has to be configured in screen? |
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| 16:21.51 | Hanzo__ | i was looking at some debian screenshots today at school? |
| 16:22.13 | orgy | Hanzo__: is this a question? |
| 16:22.18 | Hanzo__ | no |
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| 16:23.01 | Hanzo__ | it looks cool |
| 16:23.24 | orgy | Hanzo__: what do you call "a screenshot of debian" ? |
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| 16:23.48 | Hanzo__ | screen capture image |
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| 16:24.40 | gibberish | 6+++++++++++ |
| 16:24.57 | webfreak | ... |
| 16:25.02 | vin` | true to your name. |
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| 16:25.10 | webfreak | haha |
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| 16:29.36 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 16:31.19 | ttz | hi there ! |
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| 16:31.51 | ttz | I'm looking for a helper to create an init.d script (basically a standard skeleton), where can I find this ? |
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| 16:32.29 | azeem | ttz: there should be a skeleton in the initscripts package |
| 16:32.33 | petemc | ttz: /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:32.37 | bushito | are kernel-headers same as linux-headers?? =O |
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| 16:33.28 | skon | yes |
| 16:33.28 | azeem | ttz: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 16:33.28 | SimonRaven | no |
| 16:33.28 | strider | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 16:33.29 | ttz | azeem: lol, thank you ! |
| 16:33.29 | jelly | I have connected a second monitor, does Debian provide support for xinerama (or whatever the dual-head config is called these days) with debconf? |
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| 16:33.29 | SimonRaven | depends on what package you're talking about |
| 16:33.29 | ttz | bye |
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| 16:33.29 | jelly | ... running xorg on testing. |
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| 16:36.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | wow, noapic does wunders |
| 16:36.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | and my system is fater now :| |
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| 16:38.10 | MrNaz | in debian how do you config network adapters for static IPs? |
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| 16:38.24 | DJ-Marcuzz | man interfaces |
| 16:39.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | there are nice exaples in there |
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| 16:40.44 | ddunham | LinuxNIT: where in oklahoma are u? |
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| 16:41.42 | pdani_ | hi |
| 16:42.22 | pdani_ | how can i test that my paralel port works properly? i have two machines, and a cable. |
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| 16:42.43 | pdani_ | i need some util, which can send and receive data through parport |
| 16:42.48 | pdani_ | any ide |
| 16:42.49 | pdani_ | a |
| 16:42.50 | pdani_ | ? |
| 16:42.55 | MrNaz | are the man pages available online anywhere? |
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| 16:43.18 | SimonRaven | google for 'em |
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| 16:44.43 | jelly | pdani_: if you know how to configure a network device, use the "plip" module. |
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| 16:44.58 | MrNaz | SimonRaven all the collections dont seem to be complete... |
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| 16:45.52 | SimonRaven | man foo usually works fine |
| 16:45.58 | Azar | o/t I am so out of this trying to understand who defends what, I keep reading for the past 3 weeks about GPL3 and not sure what is the fuss |
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| 16:46.21 | SimonRaven | it's still in draft form ... |
| 16:47.04 | Azar | SimonRaven: hi, and yes I understood, I only sense that the greedy corporations are pushing for trouble in the open source world |
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| 16:47.33 | bushito | where could i upload pictres?? |
| 16:47.41 | Azar | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2006/tc20060206_503666.htm |
| 16:47.45 | SimonRaven | have been ever since they realised FS was a threat to the status quo |
| 16:47.46 | bushito | i mean in what paste bin page could i upload pics? |
| 16:47.56 | stew | bushito: tinypic.com |
| 16:48.02 | SimonRaven | instead of adapting to it, and moving forward |
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| 16:48.12 | paxl | Do somone here can say me what package I need to install to translat everything that support locales to frecnh |
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| 16:48.15 | paxl | ? |
| 16:48.22 | Azar | I am tempted to agree with Stallman but they say his visions are utopian? |
| 16:48.30 | stew | paxl: locales |
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| 16:48.45 | paxl | oki.. |
| 16:48.48 | paxl | thx |
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| 16:49.05 | jair | I am trying to create couple of shares using debian and samba and I am not sure if this mask is correct written? http://pastebin.com/543437 |
| 16:49.06 | Azar | whatever the outcome I sense Debian distro and packages will be affected as well |
| 16:49.15 | SimonRaven | Azar: bah, they're full of shit. stallman may have people skill and other issues, but at least he dares to think outside the fucking box |
| 16:49.36 | Azar | SimonRaven: agree, the Matrix effect |
| 16:49.51 | paxl | I get the error. Language fr_CA.UTF-8 doest not exist; using system default.. |
| 16:50.02 | paxl | what is the package that is missing ? |
| 16:50.09 | SimonRaven | paxl: create it; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:50.17 | SimonRaven | stew told you already |
| 16:50.27 | stew | Azar: from a debian perspective, stallman has been possibly not utopian enough, the GFDL is not considered free by debian, and lot of DDs take issues to some of the language in the GPLv3 draft |
| 16:50.43 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 16:51.21 | pdani_ | jelly: i just would like to check, that my parallel ports work properly |
| 16:51.46 | jair | stew, I know that you have some knowledge in samba, can you check this -> params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: create mask 0770 |
| 16:52.07 | SimonRaven | people might criticise debian for stuff like the gpl+openssl licence+lack of exemption is s/w source, being picky about gfdl, and other stuff, but the porject knows that they have to |
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| 16:52.11 | Azar | from a point I am annoyed at the fact that they are not happy to keep with Suse, RH and other "commercial" distros and leave the distros that want to be commercial free alone |
| 16:52.14 | jair | stew, what do you think it is, I have my configuration here: http://pastebin.com/543437 |
| 16:52.18 | SimonRaven | s/is/in/ |
| 16:53.07 | SimonRaven | otherwise, everyone is going to be hung by the thumbs and shafted with a spiked 2x4 |
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| 16:53.29 | Azar | SimonRaven: even if say some packages will be forbidden to Debian I would still feel happy with the little I got or I could get to use |
| 16:53.48 | Azar | but that means isolationism and I do not know how good/bad this would affect |
| 16:53.54 | SimonRaven | 17 000+ is not 'little' |
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| 16:54.09 | Azar | SimonRaven: yes I know I was only thinking "what if" |
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| 16:54.19 | stew | jair: i don't know very much about samba |
| 16:54.26 | SimonRaven | count how many distros even try to do that. other than debian? 0 |
| 16:54.46 | btn | What is the debian menu system pkg called? |
| 16:54.58 | jair | stew, ok thank you, but the 0770 and 0755 sounds like a correct mask? |
| 16:54.58 | MrNaz | does debian default install include an SSH2 server? |
| 16:54.59 | SimonRaven | btn: menu ;) |
| 16:55.06 | MrNaz | do i just have to enable it? |
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| 16:55.10 | SimonRaven | MrNaz: no, install it |
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| 16:55.16 | MrNaz | SimonRaven whats it called? |
| 16:55.17 | btn | wait..found it |
| 16:55.24 | btn | hehe |
| 16:55.37 | SimonRaven | debian's is openssh; does v1 and v2. stick to v2 ;) |
| 16:55.43 | btn | apt-cache search menu didnt find it but grep did |
| 16:55.53 | stew | jair: no those don't look like masks, i think you want 002 or 022 |
| 16:55.57 | SimonRaven | MrNaz: depends what debian version |
| 16:56.03 | MrNaz | SimonRaven yea i use v2... i'm just starting out on debian... my old server uses fedora... which ive been meaning to migrate away from for ages |
| 16:56.10 | MrNaz | SimonRaven 3.1r1 |
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| 16:56.21 | SimonRaven | just ssh |
| 16:56.27 | rutski89 | I posted a question on usenet which recieved no responce. I want to ask it here, but it's too long to copy/paste, so here's the link (it's about threading): http://www.tinyurl.com/72g2c |
| 16:56.33 | stew | Azar: free things up? is linux somehow non-free? |
| 16:56.38 | MrNaz | SimonRaven if you care, check out the new server i'm quite excited to get it in place :) http://www.mrnaz.com/?mode=journal&entryid=103 |
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| 16:56.45 | SimonRaven | etch and sid have openssh-{server,client} |
| 16:56.46 | jair | stew, which means, that the group or user "student" will be able to change any info on that share directory? |
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| 16:57.19 | SimonRaven | MrNaz: ah nice, WP on postgres :) |
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| 16:57.34 | Azar | stew, I guess I am not understanding the beef.... I will read more about the issue |
| 16:57.38 | SimonRaven | MrNaz: cool |
| 16:57.40 | MrNaz | SimonRaven hehe WP? |
| 16:57.42 | stew | jair: 022 would always prevent group/other write access, 002 would only prevent other write access |
| 16:57.54 | jharrisonwk | whats the best way to change the hostname/domainname of a system? |
| 16:57.59 | SimonRaven | oh sorry, looked like wordpress |
| 16:58.06 | jharrisonwk | there is /etc/hostname /etc/hosts any others? |
| 16:58.19 | SimonRaven | /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 16:58.24 | MrNaz | SimonRaven aah... no i wrote that all from scratch including the photogallery etc |
| 16:58.32 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 16:58.34 | stew | Azar: linux kernel has a separate issue. if they were interested in moving to v3 someone would have to obtain permission from every person who has contributed to the project in the past, which is impossible |
| 16:58.55 | jjazz | stew: That's not, strictly speaking, true. |
| 16:58.56 | Lorvija | hey, a bit OT but I'll ask anyways. Anyone heard anything or used netgear RangeMax 240 Wireless Router? |
| 16:59.06 | jair | stew, so looks like I need then 022 |
| 16:59.18 | MrNaz | GPL v3 isnt really an improvement over v2... v2 really is perfect for what it intends i dont see a need to change it |
| 16:59.51 | jjazz | MrNaz: v2 has a bunch of problems that v3 intends to address. |
| 17:00.06 | MrNaz | jjazz such as? |
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| 17:00.17 | TheBlueWizard | stew: not quite correct....anyone who create the code and put it into Linux retains his/her ownership on that code (and thus holds the copyright). S/he is free to contribute the selfsame code to elsewhere |
| 17:00.18 | MrNaz | actually dont do that... i dont want to start that discussion in here |
| 17:00.21 | jjazz | MrNaz: internationalization issues, for one. The patent problem for two. |
| 17:00.27 | MrNaz | jjazz if you got a URL please point me at it |
| 17:00.31 | whaq|away | hi ho |
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| 17:00.37 | SimonRaven | s/w patents ... *shudder* |
| 17:00.47 | TheBlueWizard | stew: of course that does not apply to anyone who _modify_ the existing code |
| 17:01.11 | whaq|away | Q: What's a good command line client (Curses based?) For bittorrent? |
| 17:01.15 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 17:01.16 | stew | TheBlueWizard: but linus doesn't have the right to relicense the code which he doesn't own, which was my point |
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| 17:01.28 | jjazz | MrNaz: gplv3.fsf.org... which appears to be down for the moment. But read the first draft and see all the new things in it. Each new thing is intended to address an existing problem in the current draft. |
| 17:01.40 | jjazz | s/draft.$/version./ |
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| 17:02.04 | Azar | :) thanks for the clarifications anyways |
| 17:02.07 | TheBlueWizard | stew: AFAIK, that's right...Linus can't relicense the whole baliwick at will |
| 17:02.22 | MrNaz | jjazz thanks for that... i'll get reading |
| 17:02.29 | MrNaz | when it comes back up that is :) |
| 17:02.42 | jjazz | MrNaz: It's back up. |
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| 17:02.47 | jjazz | MrNaz: momentary difficulty |
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| 17:03.05 | protoloco | what happens if i create a USER without his directory, what things could happend.. |
| 17:03.27 | SerajewelKS | protoloco: when he logs in, the pwd will be / |
| 17:03.31 | TheBlueWizard | and besides, Linus said he doesn't like GPLv3 cuz of its anti-DRM clause...so it is moot issue in Linux world (re: relicensing) |
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| 17:04.04 | jjazz | TheBlueWizard: The DRM clause isn't in final form. We'll see how Linus eventually feels about the final version. |
| 17:04.05 | resiak | whaq|away: rtorrent |
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| 17:04.29 | protoloco | How can i change my default shell bash !?? |
| 17:04.35 | SerajewelKS | protoloco: chsh |
| 17:04.47 | protoloco | SerajewelKS, mm1? thats the command ? |
| 17:05.08 | SerajewelKS | protoloco: and please end questions with "?", not "!??". the more punctuation, the more you look like a l33t h4x0r!!!!111 |
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| 17:05.25 | SerajewelKS | protoloco: yes, that's the command. you type it. it changes your shell. |
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| 17:06.19 | whaq|away | resiak, much appreciated. it's on sarge? |
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| 17:07.20 | resiak | whaq|away: Don't think so. You might want to try bittornado |
| 17:07.44 | Azar | TheBlueWizard: the recent wordings linus has used when commenting about v3 are not very flattering for his personna, so he might have common sense grounds but it leaves the reader with a strange feeling towards linus |
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| 17:08.02 | whaq|away | resiak, does it have torrent management capabitilty? i tried it briefly and it seemed that you had to launch each torrent activity (download\seeding) independtly.. |
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| 17:08.28 | resiak | whaq|away: I don't know... I use rtorrent |
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| 17:08.57 | whaq|away | resiak, do you use it on debian? any available packages? |
| 17:09.10 | resiak | whaq|away: I use it on Etch |
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| 17:09.14 | resiak | !info rtorrent sarge |
| 17:09.16 | resiak | !info rtorrent etch |
| 17:09.26 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.4.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 133 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 17:09.28 | resiak | !+info rtorrent sarge |
| 17:09.30 | dpkg | Package 'rtorrent' does not exist. |
| 17:09.31 | resiak | ^^^ sorry |
| 17:09.46 | concept10 | I get this error after running my external harddrive for a while: Feb 7 10:57:20 localhost kernel: [4463135.058000] lost page write due to I/O error on sda2 |
| 17:10.01 | concept10 | why does this happen? |
| 17:10.12 | SerajewelKS | oo, rtorrent finally moved into etch |
| 17:10.16 | TheBlueWizard | Azar: strange feeling towards Linus? I don't understand...it just strikes me as typical ultrapragmatism of Linus |
| 17:10.31 | whaq|away | resiak, ok thanks. |
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| 17:11.17 | Arfim | Hi, anybody here knows how to deal with IPMI? |
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| 17:11.58 | tzfardea | hey, when i'm trying to install mplayer i get this error: "No candidate version found for mplayer-686". what source do i need to add? |
| 17:12.09 | jebstark | is it ok to run the ddclient and the no-ip client at the same time? |
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| 17:12.30 | jjazz | !mplayer |
| 17:12.30 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
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| 17:13.36 | Azar | TheBlueWizard: I am not sure exactly what is going on, I am reading articles, and stuff, but you know some people get to bring their own biased views, or maybe they are right about him one thing leads to another soon we could see linus and murdoch aligned with their backs at a wall along with bill gates... I do not know what is going on |
| 17:13.38 | tzfardea | thanks |
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| 17:14.04 | Azar | maybe they are becoming gates wannabees who knows |
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| 17:15.35 | sifi-xz | Azar, can you please avoid names like bill, gates =), I just waked up and I don't like to puke, FSFE waked me up with a phonecall |
| 17:16.05 | lakcaj | Hi. How can I purge a package that is no longer installed... hotplug for example? |
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| 17:16.24 | loggygreg | lakcaj: dpkg --purge package |
| 17:16.27 | SimonRaven | -P, --purge; man dpkg |
| 17:16.28 | sifi-xz | lakcaj, apt-get remove --purge hotplug |
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| 17:17.04 | lakcaj | thanks |
| 17:17.21 | TheBlueWizard | Azar: it's sometimes hard to read into what's going on, yeah. But I don't think Linus is colluding with X, Y and Z to make things "happen". Linus is generally known for his pragmatism...sometimes I find him rather ultrapragmatic. <shrug> |
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| 17:20.03 | priyank | hey, im tryin to install debian from the net install cd. in the partition dialog, i dont get to see any of my partitions except RAID and LVM |
| 17:20.23 | priyank | i just see the name of my HDD and when i select it, it asks me to format it completely. |
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| 17:20.27 | priyank | why is it so ? |
| 17:20.28 | harshal | hi |
| 17:20.34 | priyank | hi harshal |
| 17:21.04 | harshal | hi guys i forgot that comman to keep your code running even after you loggged out. |
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| 17:21.17 | priyank | harshal: nohup ? |
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| 17:21.42 | harshal | hey thanks..... its nohup only |
| 17:21.43 | jjazz | Azar: Linus isn't working on the draft, so it's unclear how or with whom he could collude to sellout people on GPLv3. Skepticism is good, but sometimes we can be overly suspicious. |
| 17:21.46 | priyank | harshal: hehe ok. |
| 17:21.47 | harshal | thats a lot |
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| 17:21.52 | priyank | harshal: indian ? |
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| 17:22.15 | harshal | i mean suddenly i forgot, though i used to use to it ;) |
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| 17:22.41 | harshal | priyak: yes indian, from Mumbai |
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| 17:22.47 | priyank | harshal: me too :) |
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| 17:23.00 | NBrepresent | ok, i'm almost convinced to switch to debian, but how can i test pages in IE (do i have to set up a dual-boot, or can i download the IE rendering engine somewhere) |
| 17:23.14 | jjazz | NBrepresent: wine |
| 17:23.21 | priyank | no one has a solution to my problem ? |
| 17:23.36 | Azar | well I found his reasons, so I will drop it. I guess on his views he is right. He might find legalese works time consuming and futile. |
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| 17:23.49 | dwkr__ | hi |
| 17:23.52 | NBrepresent | jjazz: do i need a windows install disc, or is it part of wine to provide everything it needs? |
| 17:24.12 | Azar | his point: "The fact is, the kernel is not licenseable under GPLv3 without tons of |
| 17:24.15 | Azar | work. Work that I'm not in the least interested in doing, or even helping |
| 17:24.25 | Azar | with. |
| 17:24.29 | jjazz | NBrepresent: there's something called winetools that you can use. It downloads all the little bits you need from MS and elsewhere, so no you won't need a Win disc. |
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| 17:24.47 | NBrepresent | also, is there a way that i can doublecheck that my computer's hardware will work with debian? a site? |
| 17:24.49 | jjazz | Azar: It might be important enough that people either help him to do the work or do it for him. |
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| 17:25.35 | jjazz | NBrepresent: there should be, but I doubt it. Unless you have exotic hardware, you should be fine with everything. The exceptions tend to be wireless cards and sata hard drives. |
| 17:26.02 | kspath | NBrepresent: Best way is just do it. |
| 17:26.04 | NBrepresent | jjazz: so dell doesn't have crazy OEM hardware or whatever that would make it not work? |
| 17:26.05 | dwkr__ | i'm going to install debian for amd 64, the second DVD is essential ? |
| 17:26.13 | jjazz | NBrepresent: Is it a laptop? |
| 17:26.17 | NBrepresent | no |
| 17:26.40 | jjazz | NBrepresent: you should be fine. Do you have some a wireless keyboard or anything like that? |
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| 17:26.46 | s9ik3 | hi all |
| 17:26.48 | ronin | NBrepresent: check for a sata drive, the dell models we're getting here at work have them in |
| 17:26.52 | NBrepresent | wireless keyboard and mouse |
| 17:27.04 | s9ik3 | who can i upgrade my vpopmail? |
| 17:27.06 | jjazz | NBrepresent: Dell stuff is pretty standard. If it's new, it might have sata drives, which can be problematic. |
| 17:27.07 | NBrepresent | ronin: how do i do that? |
| 17:27.18 | jjazz | NBrepresent: how old is the machine? |
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| 17:27.24 | NBrepresent | just a few months |
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| 17:27.38 | NBrepresent | got it mid-september |
| 17:27.41 | jjazz | NBrepresent: yeah, sata drives are a possibility. |
| 17:27.42 | neenee | good evening. what would i do to fix a too-long versionstring? it prevents me from compiling and installing new kernels. |
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| 17:28.16 | dwkr__ | i'm going to install debian for amd 64, is the second DVD essential ? |
| 17:28.18 | jjazz | NBrepresent: check your drive specs. If you have SATA, it should say so in whatever documentation came with your box. Maybe within Win, you can see it somewhere, but I don't know anything about that. |
| 17:28.31 | jjazz | dwkr__: Do you have an internet connection for that box? |
| 17:28.32 | pipeline | dwkr__: Debian/amd64 is horrendously broken. You have been warned. |
| 17:28.45 | s9ik3 | i 'have a problem...who help me? |
| 17:28.51 | pipeline | dwkr__: All you really need is the "netinstall" disc. Despite its name, it contains a complete debian system and does not require the net to install. |
| 17:28.57 | dwkr__ | jjazz yeah y have |
| 17:29.08 | kspath | NBrepresent: Dell website should have specs regarding your model |
| 17:29.11 | jjazz | dwkr__: You can get anything you want from apt-get after doing the base install. |
| 17:29.28 | jjazz | kspath: They might have changed the package since she bought it. |
| 17:29.41 | dwkr__ | is there any net-install for testing release ? |
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| 17:29.55 | jjazz | dwkr__: Sure. debian.org has the iso you need. |
| 17:29.58 | NBrepresent | well i checked device manager and it's a maxtor6Y080L0 so i'm searching that |
| 17:30.20 | cisse | dwkr__: you can just net install stable and dist-upgrade as well |
| 17:30.21 | dwkr__ | NBrepresent got the same disk as you |
| 17:30.32 | onweald_tim | My sources.list was accidently updated to download unstable instead of sarge packages. How can I make all my packages downgrade to sarge? |
| 17:30.42 | NBrepresent | dwkr__: and no problems installing? |
| 17:30.50 | onweald_tim | I have googled "howto downgrade packages debian" and checked the man page but have not found a way to do this. |
| 17:30.52 | dwkr__ | NBrepresent none |
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| 17:30.55 | jjazz | onweald_tim: did you upgrade everything? Or did you just change sources.list? |
| 17:31.10 | jjazz | onweald_tim: How many packages did you upgrade? |
| 17:31.12 | NBrepresent | what about usb stuff... my printer and digital camera? |
| 17:31.13 | dwkr__ | NBrepresent thats depend of SATA controler used |
| 17:31.24 | jjazz | NBrepresent: what kind of printer? |
| 17:31.27 | onweald_tim | jjazz: I uses netselect-apt to get the fastest sites but didn't specify sarge. This happened before I installed a bunch of packages like gcc, etc. |
| 17:31.38 | NBrepresent | hp deskjet 920c |
| 17:31.38 | onweald_tim | jjazz: I don't have an exact list either. |
| 17:31.44 | jjazz | onweald_tim: You're pretty much screwed. |
| 17:31.45 | stouset | onweald_tim: There's not really a way to downgrade packages. Some upgrades move files/configs to a new format, and there's no mechanism for reverting these. |
| 17:32.02 | jjazz | NBrepresent: hp is pretty well supported. HP contributed some code, I think. |
| 17:32.03 | onweald_tim | jjazz: So I was hoping to have an easy way to say "go back to a base sarge config." |
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| 17:32.15 | jjazz | onweald_tim: The easy way is to reinstall. |
| 17:32.16 | jade | how can i get someone eject for spamming on channel #mysql? |
| 17:32.19 | dwkr__ | NBrepresent my serial ATA work perfect |
| 17:32.26 | NBrepresent | i just realized that my stupid sony mp3 player needs xp |
| 17:32.27 | stouset | jade: Ask someone in #mysql? |
| 17:32.37 | Phated | jade: Speak with ops in #mysql, one supposes. |
| 17:32.42 | jjazz | NBrepresent: It probably doesn't. |
| 17:32.52 | NBrepresent | well, it uses the atrac format |
| 17:33.00 | NBrepresent | are there programs for linux that convert to atrac? |
| 17:33.01 | onweald_tim | jjazz: stouset: Thanks for the info. But crap! I wish there were some way to do this. Again, thanks for the help. |
| 17:33.08 | jjazz | NBrepresent: Does it speak any other format? |
| 17:33.18 | jjazz | onweald_tim: np. Sorry I didn't have better news. |
| 17:33.25 | mhall | antiw00t, dysfunction on IRC in my favorite channel :-( |
| 17:33.28 | NBrepresent | it won't play files that aren't atrac, but you can use it as a flash drive for anything |
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| 17:33.42 | TheArtist | NBrepresent, did they not to a firmware upgrade to play mp3? |
| 17:33.57 | jjazz | NBrepresent: If you can use it as a flash drive, you can load it w/o XP. But I don't know any linux encoder to convert to atrac. |
| 17:33.59 | MrNaz | im about to "apt-get install openssh" this is the first time im using apt, is this the right thing to type or do i have to specify a version number? |
| 17:34.07 | jjazz | MrNaz: that's fine |
| 17:34.20 | jjazz | MrNaz: do an apt-get update before that, if you havne't done one recently. |
| 17:34.37 | NBrepresent | well thanks for the info. have to run it by my gf anyway |
| 17:34.39 | TheArtist | MrNaz, apt-cache search and apt-cache show will be of some help i think |
| 17:35.07 | NBrepresent | she didn't mind linux on the old comp, but i think now she just wants me to stop tinkering and leave it as-is |
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| 17:35.31 | cisse | hrmmm will cdrecord burn an .iso dvd image |
| 17:35.39 | jjazz | NBrepresent: warning: if you switch from Win, you become the tech support for everybody else in your household who depends on Win, even for problems that have nothing to do with the switch. |
| 17:35.53 | MrNaz | jjazz the apt-get update only took a fraction of a second... it didnt fetch from the net methinks... how do i tell it to? |
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| 17:36.17 | NBrepresent | jjazz: haha, we live alone, but thanks for the tip |
| 17:36.22 | NBrepresent | bye! |
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| 17:36.47 | jjazz | MrNaz: If it was downloading, you would have seen it. Did it install? |
| 17:37.04 | jjazz | MrNaz: it might have grabbed the deb from a CD or something. |
| 17:37.07 | vin` | MrNaz: did you run apt-setup or manually edit your /etc/apt/sources.list after the CD install? |
| 17:37.15 | MrNaz | jjazz no it didnt download anything |
| 17:37.25 | MrNaz | vin` no i didnt... |
| 17:37.27 | jjazz | MrNaz: well, what did it say? |
| 17:37.57 | jjazz | MrNaz: if it has the deb, it would have installed. If it didn't have the deb, it would have given an error. Either outcome should be obvious from reading the output of apt-get install. |
| 17:38.03 | MrNaz | i just ran apt-setup... thats working fine now |
| 17:38.12 | jjazz | MrNaz: A third possibility is that it was already installed. |
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| 17:38.29 | MrNaz | jjazz what? openssh? |
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| 17:38.34 | jjazz | yes |
| 17:38.47 | MrNaz | i cant connect to the box by ssh... connection refused, but lemme do a locate |
| 17:39.14 | jjazz | MrNaz: dpkg -l | grep openssh |
| 17:39.33 | onweald_tim | Can apt or other utility tell me what the difference between a sarge install and my current package list is? |
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| 17:39.46 | abrotman | !distract jjazz |
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| 17:41.21 | honschu | KDE always tells me that I cannot umount /dev/sda1 because it's busy. But why is it busy? (I'm not in that directory... so how to show which program does it use?) |
| 17:41.35 | kspath | jjazz: have you played with INSERT ? |
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| 17:42.05 | jjazz | kspath: insert? What's that? |
| 17:42.17 | Spec | honschu: lsof will show you a list of every open file |
| 17:42.25 | cisse | honschu: lsof |
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| 17:43.35 | neenee | is there a way for me to install a different version of gcc on my sid installation? |
| 17:43.55 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 17:44.18 | neenee | well, i have a problem with the current versionstring. it's too long - it prevents me from compiling and installing kernels |
| 17:44.30 | neenee | so i am trying to think of ways to fix that |
| 17:44.33 | neenee | or work around it |
| 17:44.52 | jjazz | neenee: apt-get install gcc-[ver] will get you a different version. Not sure if it will help your problem though. |
| 17:44.55 | abrotman | yeah .. what version of gcc do you have .. and which do you want ? |
| 17:45.00 | dwkr__ | honschu : any konsole opend on it ? |
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| 17:45.20 | neenee | dwkr__: well, it's more of a 'whichever would not break my system, but allow me to compile a kernel' |
| 17:45.30 | neenee | abrotman: i have gcc version 4.0.3 20060128 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-8) |
| 17:45.40 | honschu | dwkr__: No - I still have this problem "lsof | grep -ri $X" $X as sda1 or mnt doesn't show anything! |
| 17:46.04 | abrotman | neenee: and you want which one ? |
| 17:46.20 | neenee | abrotman: any which does not break my system and allows me to compile kernels. |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | what kernel are you trying to compile? |
| 17:46.36 | honschu | I cannot find the program which uses a file in /mnt - the usb-stick is mounted as /dev/sda1 on /mnt type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=XXX) - but I cannot umount it! |
| 17:46.49 | jjazz | honschu: sudo umount |
| 17:46.50 | abrotman | fuser |
| 17:47.00 | neenee | abrotman: one using the linux-source-2.6.15 - i apt-got the source |
| 17:47.03 | orgy | neenee: Linux version 2.6.15-baxor (Version: lolz0r.1) (root@baxor) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060104 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-6)) |
| 17:47.11 | dwkr__ | honschu : try to use the -f option for force umount |
| 17:47.15 | honschu | jjazz: I use debian sarge and I didn't install sudo |
| 17:47.15 | abrotman | !info gcc sid |
| 17:47.20 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:4.0.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 17:47.23 | abrotman | honschu: fuser /mnt/ |
| 17:47.36 | neenee | orgy: hm.. well, it's a very confusing problem |
| 17:47.38 | abrotman | neenee: how did you get 4.0.2-8 ? |
| 17:47.41 | honschu | fuest /mnt shows: "/mnt/: |
| 17:47.50 | honschu | fuser <- i mean |
| 17:47.55 | abrotman | nothing is using it ? |
| 17:48.05 | neenee | abrotman: er. i think it was installed using apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:48.20 | onweald_tim | honschu: Warning... I have used the -f option before. There is an open file. Forcing it to close can lead you to an unstable system. |
| 17:48.25 | orgy | abrotman: I don't think dpkg is right on this one :) |
| 17:48.49 | abrotman | don't tell me .. tell his owner |
| 17:49.15 | tzfardea | when i'm trying to compile xchat 2.6.1 i get this error: "mv: cannot stat `t-de.gmo': No such file or directory", what's the problem? |
| 17:49.18 | abrotman | though .. packages.debian.org agrees with the bot orgy |
| 17:49.20 | orgy | abrotman: oh well, the package versionning is screwed up apparently |
| 17:49.29 | neenee | hm |
| 17:49.37 | neenee | now i wonder how i would remove the version i haev |
| 17:49.39 | neenee | *haev |
| 17:49.42 | abrotman | orgy: oh sure. . that must be it |
| 17:49.42 | neenee | *have |
| 17:49.47 | honschu | I'll log out this user and try it again. thx for help. |
| 17:49.50 | abrotman | neenee: ask #gcc if this has even been resolved |
| 17:49.57 | neenee | abrotman: oki |
| 17:50.16 | abrotman | orgy: gcc is different than gcc-4.0 |
| 17:51.02 | orgy | abrotman: my bad then. thanks for pointing that out |
| 17:51.07 | abrotman | orgy: but |
| 17:51.12 | abrotman | !info gcc-4.0 sid |
| 17:51.14 | dpkg | gcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4.0.2-8 (sid), Packaged size: 502 kB, Installed size: 1200 kB |
| 17:51.19 | orgy | it's 4.0.2-8 |
| 17:51.35 | abrotman | i see that |
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| 17:51.54 | orgy | neenee: I'll see if I can reproduce your problem here |
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| 17:53.02 | neenee | orgy: okidoki |
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| 17:54.25 | neenee | hm. i just apt-get removed gcc-4.0 and after reinstalling it can't find the gcc binary or such - gcc says 'command not found' |
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| 17:54.52 | neenee | ah |
| 17:54.58 | neenee | that was just a symlink |
| 17:55.57 | cahoot | neenee: just fyi - /proc/version gives this on my system: Linux version 2.6.15 (root@kompl3tt) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) |
| 17:56.04 | neenee | hm |
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| 17:56.23 | orgy | neenee: are you sure it's the gcc version string that is a problem? |
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| 17:56.56 | orgy | neenee: it would help if you could show us the error message |
| 17:57.13 | neenee | quite sure, as there's an odd GCC:(GNU)4.0.320060128(prerelease)(Debian4.0.2-8) dir in /usr/src/linux after i try to compile too |
| 17:57.16 | neenee | orgy: sure, one moment |
| 17:57.26 | orgy | neenee: use a pastebot if it's many lines |
| 17:57.33 | neenee | i shall |
| 17:57.35 | neenee | pastebin |
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| 17:57.50 | neenee | never heard of pastebot before =] |
| 17:57.53 | gihad | Hello, I am trying to Install a Netinstall CD in a Sony Vaio VGN-FJ170 Notebook, but the instalation can't detect and mount the cdrom, what can I do ? |
| 17:58.53 | Azar | wow wow people at lkml seem not do other but write every hour stuff on their forums |
| 17:59.14 | Ma_RK_us | good afternoon |
| 17:59.38 | Ma_RK_us | if i switch from ubuntu to debian will i notice much of a difference...... ? |
| 18:00.19 | ronin | Ma_RK_us: depends what your after |
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| 18:00.42 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: And really, if you notice no difference, what's the point in switching? |
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| 18:00.50 | neenee | http://pastebin.com/543564 |
| 18:00.55 | Ma_RK_us | well i use ubuntu as my day to day operating system..... i gave up on windows about 3 months ago |
| 18:01.17 | Ma_RK_us | well jjazz thats why i'm asking the question |
| 18:01.27 | jjazz | fair enough |
| 18:01.56 | cahoot | Ma_RK_us: what would be your incentive to switch? |
| 18:02.03 | Ma_RK_us | well |
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| 18:02.09 | orgy | neenee: what are the commands you use to build your kernel? |
| 18:02.25 | neenee | make && make modules_install && make install |
| 18:02.31 | Ma_RK_us | i have an old pII-300 that i want to set up as a file/print server..... i was thinking of installing debian on that with samba |
| 18:02.45 | Ma_RK_us | i have reviewed the debian home page....... |
| 18:02.47 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: that's definitely a job for Debian and not Ubuntu |
| 18:02.52 | orgy | !tell neenee -about kernel-package |
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| 18:02.57 | Ma_RK_us | and it appears that documentation is greater for debian |
| 18:03.02 | neenee | orgy: i tried using the official debian method to compile source |
| 18:03.04 | neenee | orgy: it fails too |
| 18:03.05 | Ma_RK_us | also seems like there are more packages |
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| 18:03.09 | orgy | hu |
| 18:03.24 | abrotman | !kp |
| 18:03.24 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 18:03.25 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: There are more packages and they are somewhat better maintained (if only because there are more maintainers). |
| 18:03.44 | Ma_RK_us | don't get me wrong..... i have enjoyed ubuntu |
| 18:03.55 | Ma_RK_us | it just seems that they are about to release dapper drake |
| 18:04.03 | kreg | anyone know what to ask dpkg for the init=/bin/sh and such for a root password recover? |
| 18:04.03 | zinx | erh, when it complains use make-kpkg clean :/ |
| 18:04.23 | Ma_RK_us | and i can't find proper documentation on how to fix or for that matter set up ubuntu 5.1 |
| 18:04.24 | Phated | kreg: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 18:04.24 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: The biggest thing you want from a file/print server is probably stability. No point in running the latest and greatest on a box like that. Ubuntu doesn't have a stable distribution, so I would choose Debian for that job. |
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| 18:04.38 | gihad | Hello, I am trying to Install a Netinstall CD in a Sony Vaio VGN-FJ170 Notebook, but the instalation can't detect and mount the cdrom, what can I do ? |
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| 18:04.43 | kreg | thanks Phated |
| 18:04.48 | Phated | No problem. |
| 18:04.56 | abrotman | gihad: tried both kernels? |
| 18:05.02 | kreg | arg lilo example. dunno how to do that in grub |
| 18:05.10 | neenee | orgy: http://pastebin.com/543570 |
| 18:05.18 | zinx | kreg: just edit one of the entries |
| 18:05.22 | Ma_RK_us | when you say stable..... can i ask you to define what you mean |
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| 18:05.44 | gihad | abrotman, No, but I want the 2.6 family |
| 18:05.45 | Ma_RK_us | as far as operating systems go...... ubuntu..... once properly setup has been great |
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| 18:05.57 | zinx | kreg: (when you boot) |
| 18:05.58 | Ma_RK_us | and it is based on debian |
| 18:06.00 | abrotman | gihad: so did you type linux26 before the installer started ? |
| 18:06.13 | Ma_RK_us | so i figured the transition would be easy as well |
| 18:06.29 | YouCeyE | hello.. i would like to set up my second network card on my pc to act as dhcp server for my voip phone |
| 18:06.34 | gihad | abrotman, yes |
| 18:06.35 | YouCeyE | how can i achieve that |
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| 18:07.04 | ronin | Ma_RK_us: best way is to back up any data you want to save, dl the netinstall cd and fire it up :) |
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| 18:07.16 | Ma_RK_us | jjazz, have you ever setup a file/print server before? |
| 18:07.17 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: Instead of having one distribution (breezy) while preparing the future one (Dapper), Debian has three (stable, testing and unstable). Each is at a different point in development, and the thing about stable is that it's slightly older software, but it's *really* stable-- bugs stomped pretty well. Ubuntu has shorter release cycles and they stop working on their distributions, so they never have a frozen, stable system. |
| 18:07.19 | starfishy | youcey: 1) make sure the card is detected |
| 18:07.22 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: there are some differences that aren't overcome automatically by the packages, if you're trying to install debian stuff on ubuntu, or vice versa.. it's better to reinstall if you want to switch |
| 18:07.23 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: sure |
| 18:07.31 | starfishy | youcey: 2) add the card to /etc/network/interfaces with a fixed IP |
| 18:07.45 | starfishy | 3) install dhcp-server |
| 18:08.07 | Ma_RK_us | will debian be able to see a large hard drive...... even though the bios can't? |
| 18:08.10 | QQmelo | hello |
| 18:08.13 | YouCeyE | starfishy, any webpage for help, pls? |
| 18:08.28 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: that depends on the BIOS and/or IDE controller, i believe |
| 18:08.29 | QQmelo | anyone here has been developed any backend for sane??? |
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| 18:08.44 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: some systems don't have enough bits to address the hard drive |
| 18:08.54 | jjazz | Ma_RK_us: I have no idea. No experience in that area. |
| 18:09.02 | Ma_RK_us | someone tried to tell me that debian includes drivers to see hard drives larger than 138 gigs |
| 18:09.06 | starfishy | youceye: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Net-HOWTO.html |
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| 18:09.21 | YouCeyE | thanks starfishy |
| 18:09.34 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: if there's no BIOS update to make it see larger drives, i wouldn't chance it |
| 18:09.34 | Ma_RK_us | they said that you just had to be sure that the boot drive was recognisable by the bios |
| 18:09.48 | starfishy | youceye: yw |
| 18:10.00 | gihad | abrotman, I tried install24 and it worked |
| 18:10.08 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 18:11.14 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: yeah, but your system may only be able to use 38 bits to address the hard drive, in which case knowing that it's larger won't help. |
| 18:11.20 | kreg | got a system that hangs on init, any ideas? |
| 18:11.50 | starfishy | kreg: any error messages? |
| 18:11.58 | kreg | starfishy, no >: ( |
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| 18:12.12 | Ma_RK_us | i think that pII-300 can only see a hard drive no larger than 38 gigs |
| 18:12.16 | kreg | starfishy, i can get in on init=/bin/sh *shrug* |
| 18:12.18 | Ma_RK_us | that kinda sucks |
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| 18:12.38 | abrotman | that would be 138GB |
| 18:12.39 | Ma_RK_us | unless i want to install a ata controller |
| 18:12.42 | starfishy | kreg: i mean when it hangs, can you see any error messages? |
| 18:12.45 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: i believe only the transition from 120 -> larger was a problem as far as actual addressing is concerned |
| 18:12.47 | neenee | can someone take a look at my kernel-compile problem: http://pastebin.com/543577 |
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| 18:13.34 | abrotman | neenee: do you have a debian kernel now ? |
| 18:13.43 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: so yeah, you'll need a new controller probably, if you have a system that old |
| 18:13.49 | Ma_RK_us | well i gotta tell ya..... you all have been a great help........ |
| 18:13.56 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: 'course around these parts you can get new computers for like $300 |
| 18:13.56 | kreg | starfishy, nope, just "INIT" and a blinking cursor waiting |
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| 18:14.04 | Ma_RK_us | it's near impossible to get a question answered in the ubuntu room |
| 18:14.07 | neenee | abrotman: no |
| 18:14.08 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: that are far better than a p2-300 |
| 18:14.16 | neenee | abrotman: i did manage to compile one before, but for some reason not anymore |
| 18:14.26 | Ma_RK_us | i'm outta work at the end of march |
| 18:14.34 | Ma_RK_us | so the p2-300 is free |
| 18:14.36 | Ma_RK_us | lol |
| 18:14.43 | starfishy | kreg: try to boot a live CD and check your config |
| 18:14.45 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: well, 120GB is better than 0GB? :D |
| 18:14.50 | Ma_RK_us | true |
| 18:14.55 | bushito | i get error fatal module fglrx not found =S |
| 18:14.57 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: assuming you already have the drive, anyway |
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| 18:15.17 | Ma_RK_us | well i actually purchased a 300 gig seagate for 149.99 |
| 18:15.21 | Ma_RK_us | but had to take it back |
| 18:15.33 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: ah, you can probably get a better computer for that much, even :D |
| 18:15.36 | kreg | starfishy, know where i can get a live cd? |
| 18:15.41 | Ma_RK_us | i was thinking that |
| 18:15.42 | Ma_RK_us | but |
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| 18:15.51 | Ma_RK_us | i would still need a large hard drive |
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| 18:15.54 | Ma_RK_us | i have 4 kids |
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| 18:15.59 | starfishy | go to distrowatch or google |
| 18:16.02 | starfishy | take your pick |
| 18:16.05 | Ma_RK_us | and i want to set up a file for all of their mp3's |
| 18:16.32 | zinx | Ma_RK_us: i think the solution is a job ;) |
| 18:16.38 | Ma_RK_us | lol |
| 18:16.42 | Ma_RK_us | no really |
| 18:16.43 | Ma_RK_us | lol |
| 18:16.51 | Ma_RK_us | i'm working on it |
| 18:17.04 | starfishy | i wish that yellow machine thing had gigabit ethernet |
| 18:17.16 | Ma_RK_us | jobs ain't easy to comeby where i'm from |
| 18:17.31 | Ma_RK_us | unless you want to work in a call centre for $10 and hour |
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| 18:17.51 | YouCeyE | starfishy, dont i need to build ethernet bridge before i install dhcpserver? |
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| 18:18.16 | ronin | call centre beats not working |
| 18:18.28 | starfishy | ethernet bridge? no |
| 18:18.46 | starfishy | you need to set up ip forwarding if you intend to run the VOIP _through_ the PC |
| 18:18.47 | ohoel | is it possible to install a version of debian from a currently running system? |
| 18:19.02 | ohoel | ie, no cd |
| 18:19.07 | YouCeyE | yes.. i want to use pc net connection for voip |
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| 18:19.26 | MrNaz | apt-get install openssh <-- that line tells me "could not find package openssh" ? |
| 18:19.50 | YouCeyE | forward all the traffic from the other nic to original nic? |
| 18:20.59 | starfishy | ohoel: you can bootstrap a version of debian in a chroot system |
| 18:21.04 | starfishy | without a cd |
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| 18:21.12 | strider | MrNaz: do a apt-cache search openssh. You'll find it :) |
| 18:21.18 | ohoel | starfishy: are there any guides on this? :) |
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| 18:22.25 | orzalaga | Hola a todos muy buenas tardes |
| 18:22.28 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:22.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:22.42 | QQmelo | !es |
| 18:22.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:22.56 | orzalaga | ok... thanks |
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| 18:23.03 | Nasga | je suis fixé maintenant ;) |
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| 18:23.12 | runa_ | omg. am I crazy or the netinst & bussiness card images Im dloading from cdimage are empty (full of chr(0) )? |
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| 18:23.56 | abrotman | !fr |
| 18:23.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:24.12 | starfishy | ohoel: google for debootstrap |
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| 18:24.18 | starfishy | i dont have a URL right here |
| 18:24.21 | xerophyte | does anybody having problem with sf.net |
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| 18:24.28 | ohoel | starfishy: done, thanks mate |
| 18:24.53 | starfishy | ohoel: yw |
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| 18:25.13 | Xillie | hello....I have connected my laptop over 0modemcable to my debian sarge with ppp....I have aven managed to enable ipforward.....now this noobs wants to know about ip broadcasting....I would like to see it relay'ed |
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| 18:26.07 | paxmaster | I am having problem with the locales everytime I am trying to upgrade the locales and I am logout of my tty2 |
| 18:26.12 | jebstark_ | I would like to only allow connections to port 80 with iptables - how could I do this? |
| 18:26.18 | Xillie | some games I serve broadcast over my lan but dont get relayed tover to the ppp connection |
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| 18:27.06 | kspath | omg http://www.debianplanet.org is back kinda... |
| 18:27.16 | sin | how do i configure apt to only take a certian package from unstable? |
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| 18:29.35 | sin | eh nevermind -t version |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | kspath: see .. i told you it wasn't gone :) |
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| 18:30.38 | kspath | abrotman: I hoped you were right but I prefer to assume the worst rather than be quite disappointed. |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | kspath: i learned this during the .com days .. sometimes .. servers just go *poof* |
| 18:31.04 | shurrik | I'm at the installation state of debian atm, but so far it's taken about ~20 minuttes to format 2% of 9 GB on the / partition. When doing a quick dmesg, i can see this; "dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24" - "DMA interrupt recoery" - "lost interrupt". Seeing i'm new at this, any ideas on what to look into? |
| 18:31.22 | cisse | scsi/ide/sata ? |
| 18:31.23 | abrotman | which kernel did you boot? |
| 18:31.53 | hid3 | probably a faulty drive? |
| 18:32.49 | shurrik | sata, the drive is perfect in windows - dunno the kernel, but using the net-install image from deb.org |
| 18:32.51 | abrotman | or a dying drive |
| 18:32.58 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 18:32.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
| 18:33.08 | abrotman | though there are .14 and .15 |
| 18:33.45 | nisc | is it possible to list all modules on a cvs server? |
| 18:34.11 | shurrik | abrotman: dying drive? it's all new, can't there be something in the bios to fix, some drivers that doesn't load etc etc? |
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| 18:34.58 | hid3 | shurrik: who manufactured it? maybe maxtor? |
| 18:35.03 | shurrik | wd |
| 18:35.16 | hid3 | then it can'e be faulty |
| 18:35.27 | hid3 | *can't |
| 18:35.33 | shurrik | 250gb sata disk |
| 18:35.56 | DirkGently | nisc: if they're using it: cvs co -c |
| 18:36.40 | hid3 | dunno then.. try to reset your cmos with the jumper, load defaults and try to install. see what happens then. |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | shurrik: what is the controller? |
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| 18:38.04 | shurrik | some crappy onboard controller that comes with the asus a8n-sli mobo |
| 18:38.41 | hid3 | silicon image 3112 |
| 18:38.55 | nisc | DirkGently: doesn't show anything :\ |
| 18:39.00 | hid3 | not one of the best ones, but possible to live with such |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | shurrik: that's important to know |
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| 18:39.25 | shurrik | It works nice with WinXp though, no problems at all - but remved it quite fast - can't it be something more simple, as a dma conflict or anything? |
| 18:39.32 | abrotman | shurrik: did it occur to you that the driver for the controller could be wonky .. and not the drive itself? |
| 18:39.44 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.12 |
| 18:39.45 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge 2.6.12 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/amd64/ for sarge/amd64 |
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| 18:40.37 | hid3 | shurrik: windows sucks in this case. once my ide cable was faulty (physically damaged.) on windows it still 'worked' while on linux I was getting lots of errors. |
| 18:40.44 | debiankid | hi all |
| 18:40.44 | tarzeau | !POPCON |
| 18:40.45 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:40.51 | QQmelo | !popcorn |
| 18:40.54 | QQmelo | !es |
| 18:40.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:40.58 | QQmelo | !au |
| 18:40.58 | dpkg | methinks au is gold. Australia, or a small island with mini-lines when it comes to internet |
| 18:41.05 | QQmelo | !ar |
| 18:41.06 | dpkg | it has been said that ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 18:41.11 | abrotman | QQmelo: STOP |
| 18:41.15 | QQmelo | !stop |
| 18:41.15 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 18:41.27 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 18:41.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: briquolo! |
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| 18:41.39 | debiankid | any1 know how to make mrtg viewable from web 4 example http://myhost/mrtg/remoteip? |
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| 18:41.47 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 18:41.47 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 18:42.04 | debiankid | i edited the mrtg.cfg but nothing happends when i restart the apache web server |
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| 18:42.14 | QQmelo | !uy |
| 18:42.14 | dpkg | hmm... uy is Uruguay |
| 18:42.21 | DirkGently | nisc: then unless the admins have set up webcvs access you will have to ask them |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | QQmelo: FUCKING STOP WITH THE BOT |
| 18:42.23 | bushito | where does apt download packages? |
| 18:42.30 | ronin | enough already QQmelo :) |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:42.34 | nisc | oki |
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| 18:42.37 | QQmelo | ok ronin |
| 18:42.38 | QQmelo | :P |
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| 18:42.47 | tarzeau | bushito: see /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 18:42.52 | bddebian | Hey folks |
| 18:42.59 | dduck | / |
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| 18:43.06 | VolVE | hey all, I'm running Sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2-686 (according to uname) but when I do a dpkg -l, I see kernel-image 2.6.8-16 and when I try an apt-get dist-upgrade, it tries to upgrade kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686... I'm so confused :-/ |
| 18:43.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you write the ITP? |
| 18:43.15 | abrotman | nope |
| 18:43.19 | QQmelo | bushito, |
| 18:43.26 | abrotman | VolVE: seems normal to me |
| 18:43.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: do it, and you'll have the package the same day you do the ITP |
| 18:43.28 | debiankid | mmm kernet 2.6 troublesome |
| 18:43.29 | bddebian | Anyone know how I can pass dpkg's --root=/foo to apt-get using -o ? |
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| 18:43.31 | QQmelo | tell me you ask in spanish, in debian-es |
| 18:43.32 | DirkGently | QQmelo: /msg dpkg if you NEED info.. but don't abuse it |
| 18:43.35 | QQmelo | and i help you |
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| 18:43.52 | bushito | .. |
| 18:43.56 | VolVE | abrotman: so what's the "-16" from dpkg all about, and why is apt trying to upgrade to the same version that uname is reporting? :-/ |
| 18:43.59 | debiankid | QQmelo in debian-spanish no1 answer |
| 18:44.02 | shurrik | abrotman: ok, if i manage to burn it on this laptop - i'll try it out |
| 18:44.03 | abrotman | VolVE: the actual build |
| 18:44.09 | abrotman | debiankid: #debian-es |
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| 18:45.05 | abrotman | VolVE: the -2 means it's the third binary compatible version .. the -16 is the actual build |
| 18:45.12 | MrNaz | how do you remove a package from your system? |
| 18:45.15 | VolVE | hmm, I see |
| 18:45.16 | VolVE | ok |
| 18:45.25 | VolVE | thanks abrotman, I thought it was some conflict somewhere |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | MrNaz: man dpkg .. man apt-get |
| 18:45.33 | abrotman | VolVE: nope .. you're ok from what it seems |
| 18:45.49 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 18:45.52 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 13728 kB, Installed size: 41244 kB |
| 18:45.54 | abrotman | VolVE: ^^ |
| 18:46.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/zatacka/ can you try that? |
| 18:46.27 | VolVE | gotcha, thanks |
| 18:46.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm always at work :) |
| 18:46.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: you'll find briquolo at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/briquolo/ tell me the bug nomber of the ITP |
| 18:47.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: fantastic, you need at least one more player, ask your boss |
| 18:47.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't have one .. did you try the game ? |
| 18:47.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: come on, you sure have coffee breaks? |
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| 18:47.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: i work in america .. |
| 18:47.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i live in europe .. |
| 18:48.06 | ronin | still get coffee breaks even in that land of censorship abrotman :) |
| 18:48.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: ack .. new bub-n-bros |
| 18:48.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep i've seen it :) |
| 18:48.27 | abrotman | ronin: right .. give up your bear hat .. come south .. you'll see :) |
| 18:48.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wish someone packaged it for debian |
| 18:48.40 | ronin | abrotman: not for all the tea in china |
| 18:48.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: when are you going to emmigrate? |
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| 18:49.59 | fbn | I have some issues with my mailserver running Debian, it seems that very many mails get blocked by the AOL mailservers ... am I the only one with this situation? |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: when you hire me! |
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| 18:50.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: as a guitar teacher expert? |
| 18:50.30 | nisc | fbn: you'll have to pay :P |
| 18:50.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:50.54 | odb_ | aol has plans to change there mail system |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman | fbn: they have rules .. isn't t-ipconnect a DSL IP ? |
| 18:51.02 | odb_ | so nisc is not rreally wrong |
| 18:51.16 | nisc | there was some article on slashdot |
| 18:51.26 | nisc | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/03/033202 |
| 18:51.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: it won't build: MOGL_PoliceTTF.cpp:65: error: 'TTF_WasInit' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.51 | paxmaster | I am having problem with the locales everytime I am trying to upgrade the locales and I am logout of my tty2 |
| 18:51.53 | stew | fbn: if you are getting the same error every time, look it up on postmaster.aol.com |
| 18:52.04 | ronin | nisc: ya i read that earlier, going to be umm interesting, i wonder how long till my shitty isp tries that |
| 18:52.12 | usn | hi folx |
| 18:52.21 | bobw | what should I install on my box to just resolve DNS |
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| 18:52.49 | nisc | "in the end being charged to send emails to AOL users will just become another of the long list of reasons why AOL users have no friends and are the butt of many a joke..." |
| 18:52.50 | nisc | haha |
| 18:52.55 | whaq|away | there's a nice rtorrent backport for sarge at backports.org btw. |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: what won't build? |
| 18:53.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: briquolo |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: it builds on etch |
| 18:53.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got sid. on debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 18:54.03 | Dustbuster | !apt rt2500 |
| 18:54.06 | Dustbuster | ... |
| 18:54.16 | Dustbuster | how do i install the rt2500 wireless drivers? |
| 18:54.27 | fbn | nisc: what do you mean I have to pay? |
| 18:54.50 | fbn | abrotman: yes t-ipconnect is a DSL IP, but I'm not chatting from my server it's my client at home :) |
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| 18:56.56 | abrotman | fbn: is your server a static IP ? |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. duh |
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| 18:57.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: nevertheless it should build |
| 18:57.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: dunno .. |
| 18:57.46 | chugga | alright. this driver is the sucks for video performance. someone hook me up with some vendor drivers please? nvidia is the watchword. thanks. |
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| 18:58.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh wait it could be a libsdl_ttf1.2 vs 2.0 problem |
| 18:58.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: let me try 2.0 instead of 1.2 |
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| 18:59.49 | kspath | tarzeau: Why are you using kfreebsd? |
| 18:59.54 | chugga | !dpkg nvidia |
| 18:59.54 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:00.11 | chugga | !dpkg nvidia installer |
| 19:00.12 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia installer is a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
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| 19:00.29 | tarzeau | kspath: for the reasons mentioned in the /topic of holy #gnu-kbsd |
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| 19:00.54 | chugga | !dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:00.54 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 19:00.59 | abrotman | chugga: msg the bot please |
| 19:01.08 | chugga | abrotman, i cant |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | you can |
| 19:01.17 | chugga | it wont let me |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | !tell chugga about tard |
| 19:01.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: no go for briquolo... |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i guess i may have to build it for you |
| 19:01.50 | chugga | abrotman, whats the problem? |
| 19:01.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: yap, you can do the debian/* stuff? it's really not that hard |
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| 19:02.11 | kspath | tarzeau: That is ALL I need. Something shiney to distract me again. |
| 19:02.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. but somehow .. i don't think that will slip paste the ftp masters :) |
| 19:02.25 | abrotman | kspath: jumpnbump! |
| 19:02.38 | chugga | i use xserver-xorg |
| 19:02.49 | chugga | will that still work? |
| 19:02.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: because of the license or why? |
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| 19:03.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: because i'm not DD or NM |
| 19:04.04 | Nasga | excusez moi c'est quoi l'utilisateur par defaut sur phpmyadmin ? |
| 19:04.05 | chugga | what the fuck. |
| 19:04.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can be NM right now! one click! |
| 19:04.23 | chugga | it wants to isntall 44mb of linux kernel crap. just if i get the header.. |
| 19:04.23 | abrotman | no more .. kernel traffic |
| 19:04.24 | abrotman | !fr |
| 19:04.25 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:04.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll find you a sponsor, just do the package |
| 19:04.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have to reread the MG .. been a while |
| 19:04.50 | kspath | Is it rude to say MERDE! |
| 19:04.54 | fbn | abrotman: yes server has a static ip! |
| 19:04.56 | tarzeau | kspath: no |
| 19:04.59 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 19:04.59 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | fbn: did you get a reject notice? |
| 19:05.08 | tarzeau | kspath: but it's not for here |
| 19:05.16 | quitte | does any of you have a mmc card he doesnt use anymore and could take apart? |
| 19:05.29 | abrotman | nope .. just an extra auto |
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| 19:05.32 | chugga | why wont debian make it easy to use bloody nvidia drivers? |
| 19:05.33 | fbn | abrotman: yes: delivery 1931730: deferral: 64.12.138.152_failed_after_I_sent_the_message./Remote_host_said:_421-:__(RLY:CS4)_http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421rlycs4.html_/421_SERVICE_NOT_AVAILABLE/ |
| 19:05.45 | quitte | i cannot find mine and want to find out if the use the flashcips i want for a project |
| 19:05.51 | tarzeau | chugga: the fault is not debians |
| 19:06.02 | tarzeau | chugga: it's the graphics card producers that make it bloody hard. #nvidia |
| 19:06.12 | abrotman | fbn: http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421rlycs4.html |
| 19:06.25 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:06.25 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 19:06.33 | quitte | tarzeau: do you know how to flash chips without desoldering them? |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman | fbn: seems selfexplantory |
| 19:06.36 | Gnea | chugga: that's not easy? |
| 19:06.43 | abrotman | chugga: why won't nvidia release open source driveres? |
| 19:06.47 | chugga | tarzeau, whatever man. every other bloody distro has it working just fine |
| 19:07.01 | abrotman | chugga: quit whining ... go use another distro |
| 19:07.09 | chugga | the one liner wants to isntall stupid amounts of code. right now its asking me to okay 46mb of kernel source |
| 19:07.10 | zinx | it was bloody easy to use nvidia's drivers on debian here |
| 19:07.11 | tarzeau | quitte: nope |
| 19:07.14 | madclicker | will kaffeine and amarok ever make it to etch/ |
| 19:07.15 | tarzeau | chugga: go use a bloody distro then |
| 19:07.19 | abrotman | madclicker: yes |
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| 19:07.24 | Gnea | chugga: you on dialup? |
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| 19:07.32 | tarzeau | zinx: ever used it autoinstalled on a few machines? i'm having a hard time doing so |
| 19:07.33 | kspath | chugga: You have no idea what difficult is. |
| 19:07.35 | zinx | aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp |
| 19:07.40 | fbn | abrotman: not to me ... it worked the last few days / month / years, server is about 3 years old |
| 19:07.53 | zinx | tarzeau: see above :/ |
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| 19:07.59 | chugga | Gnea, no i dont want to install crap that i'll never need. anyway i doubt that one lienr is gonna work. something will go wrong with it somewhere |
| 19:07.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm still having this birquolo compile problem... |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | fbn: well .. since then you've been flagged as a spammer |
| 19:08.07 | zinx | the other change, of course, was switching the Driver line in xorg.conf |
| 19:08.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: try x86 debian/linux :) |
| 19:08.18 | chugga | zinc,hmm.. |
| 19:08.21 | ronin | chugga: works for everyone else so i suspect the problem may be at they keyboard? :) |
| 19:08.21 | tarzeau | someone wants to fix the segfault, or can check if it works for you? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/zatacka/ please? |
| 19:08.23 | Gnea | chugga: there are licensing issues revolving it, it's not debian's fault that nvidia isn't GPL |
| 19:08.28 | fbn | abrotman: I have a client that send's a lot of mails to his customers (also aol mail adresses) could that be the reason? |
| 19:08.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: can't, they broke X in sid |
| 19:08.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: you did! |
| 19:08.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't |
| 19:08.47 | Gnea | chugga: you doubt dpkg's advice? quit whining like a little bitch then. |
| 19:08.48 | zinx | tarzeau: i can imagine that if you're using a custom kernel it may be more difficult :) |
| 19:08.54 | tarzeau | zinx: yes i do |
| 19:09.05 | zinx | tarzeau: but the same goes for any kernel module, i'd think |
| 19:09.07 | Gnea | chugga: it's worked just fine for me on several systems |
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| 19:09.10 | tarzeau | zinx: because i must use stable, and stable don't support our hardware |
| 19:09.10 | chugga | Gnea, i dont give a shit. licencing issues shouldnt matter when it comes to hardware. there isnt any open source hardware |
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| 19:09.20 | zinx | tarzeau: e.g., try automatically installing fuse on all of them |
| 19:09.22 | tarzeau | zinx: building the modules is not the problem but the glx x driver part |
| 19:09.31 | zinx | tarzeau: weird |
| 19:09.38 | zinx | tarzeau: what's the hard part? |
| 19:09.41 | Gnea | chugga: oh gee, i'm sorry, the world should bend over and kiss *your* ass just because *you* think you know everything |
| 19:09.42 | tarzeau | zinx: we install alsa,vmware,openafs automatic |
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| 19:09.45 | Azar | Gnea another hard head around :) |
| 19:09.50 | jjazz | chugga: the drivers are software |
| 19:09.55 | Gnea | Azar: yup :) |
| 19:09.59 | chugga | jjazz, well done |
| 19:10.01 | tarzeau | zinx: it just doesn't work, and i wasn't able to run a find file compare on a installed system against a manual one |
| 19:10.06 | Gnea | chugga: and since when did hardware == software? |
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| 19:10.14 | Azar | Gnea for a sec I thought it was the same guy |
| 19:10.15 | zinx | tarzeau: "doesn't work" :/ |
| 19:10.29 | Echo9 | Okay, so I have a stupid question here. Should I mount my hard drive before running chkrootkit from a livecd? |
| 19:10.45 | jjazz | Echo9: yes |
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| 19:10.54 | chugga | since drivers and hardware are pretty much inseperable? or does the open source fairy put drivers under your pillow when you sleep |
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| 19:11.01 | Azar | chugga I am yet to see the constructive side of your criticism |
| 19:11.10 | Gnea | Azar: i'm just trying to help the guy out with the fastest method possible. he seems to think that there's a faster way rather than complaining about it |
| 19:11.10 | chugga | debian wankers |
| 19:11.13 | fbn | abrotman: do you have any idea why aol would define me as spammer? |
| 19:11.15 | ronin | heh |
| 19:11.17 | Echo9 | jjazz: Figures. Now I just need to find out how to do that. I'm such a noob. |
| 19:11.20 | chugga | Gnea, help me then. |
| 19:11.33 | Gnea | chugga: i already did. you've passed it up. but i'm a nice guy... |
| 19:11.40 | Gnea | !tell chugga -about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:11.43 | Gnea | just DO IT |
| 19:11.59 | Azar | Gnea, it seems like this one came in here not for help, I bet he is using or bound to use some other distro, he is in here just for fits and kicks |
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| 19:12.20 | chugga | Gnea, if it doesnt work. im gonna be annoyed. |
| 19:12.28 | alys | fbn: they do it to me, too - I guess AOL sucks. However, if you run your own MTA AOL will probably (sooner or later) reject your mail if you have a dynamic IP address. |
| 19:12.34 | ronin | chugga: compared to now? heh |
| 19:12.35 | Gnea | chugga: i'll see your if and raise you a case |
| 19:12.43 | Azar | chugga how much I could bet it is not going to work FOR YOU? |
| 19:13.02 | chugga | Azar, no rest assured, this time im using pure debian. its pure and really crap! |
| 19:13.09 | Gnea | chugga: oh, i don't care if you're annoyed, at least you'd be alive |
| 19:13.26 | Azar | chugga: then quit bitcing move on >> another distro for you |
| 19:13.42 | Gnea | chugga: if it's really crap then why are you using it? |
| 19:13.42 | chugga | Azar, i dont have time to learn another crappy linux |
| 19:13.42 | zinx | why would you use something you think that is pure crap? |
| 19:13.56 | abrotman | fbn: no idea .. you'd have to ask AOL |
| 19:13.58 | Azar | chugga: yep Vista is around the corner, run to catch it |
| 19:14.12 | abrotman | chugga: there is open source hardware |
| 19:14.12 | odb_ | lol Azar |
| 19:14.12 | kspath | chugga: maybe redmond is calling you. you can be a good point-and-click admin |
| 19:14.23 | ronin | Azar: please dont say that word, its bad enough im going to have to work/run it eventually |
| 19:14.30 | chugga | so by the end of this so called one liner, im probably gonna end up installing over 100mb of source. great. |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | chugga: please go away |
| 19:14.47 | Azar | ronin, point taken it will not happen again |
| 19:14.48 | abrotman | if you don't like debian or the way it works .. stop using it .. and go away |
| 19:14.53 | Gnea | yeah, so, what's wrong with installing some source? |
| 19:15.14 | chugga | i havent the space to waste. |
| 19:15.22 | abrotman | then don't install it |
| 19:15.24 | kspath | Gnea: it is not point-and-twitch compatbile is probably the problem. |
| 19:15.32 | pwned | is it just the space? you can remove the sources afterwards. |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman | chugga: does your mom let you whine like this? |
| 19:15.43 | Gnea | chugga: then get a job and get a real hard drive |
| 19:15.50 | pwned | you can even purge them to feel good with yourself |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | or you could start with apt-get clean |
| 19:16.14 | chugga | pwned, as if i'll know what the silly thing installed. even if i remove somethign it wont remove the damn dependencies it installed but no one elses uses |
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| 19:16.37 | jjazz | chugga: you're really nasty to a bunch of people who are trying to help you. |
| 19:16.50 | abrotman | i'd have canned him already for the 10 minute deal |
| 19:16.50 | Gnea | yeah really |
| 19:16.56 | pwned | chugga: as a noob I knew exactly what packages my commands installed. The programs told me. If you can't, your problem. |
| 19:17.12 | Dustbuster | ive installed my witreless card how do i start it? |
| 19:17.18 | fbn | alys: I don't have a dynamic IP, I have a static one (server is located at an ISP / hoster) |
| 19:17.26 | fbn | abrotman: thanks, will try that |
| 19:17.26 | zinx | *shrug*, aptitude uninstalls the unused dependencies too, for me :D |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | starfishy: he trolls a lot actually |
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| 19:17.38 | abrotman | starfishy: even more than you! :) |
| 19:17.45 | chugga | I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies |
| 19:17.46 | Gnea | jjazz: you know, if we covered aussieland with napalm, we'd probably get him in the process |
| 19:17.48 | chugga | great. |
| 19:17.53 | starfishy | abrotman: little referred to his mind, not the amount of his trolling |
| 19:18.08 | starfishy | just curious, where do I troll? |
| 19:18.14 | alys | fbn: my 'condolences':( As I said, AOL sucks - it doesn't even offer software for Unix/Linux. |
| 19:18.15 | abrotman | chugga: i guess god hates you .. |
| 19:18.17 | Gnea | chugga: oh, is that sarge? |
| 19:18.28 | starfishy | i troll a German newsgroup, not #debian :) |
| 19:18.34 | abrotman | starfishy: every day .. :) |
| 19:18.36 | kspath | chugga: Have you thought about a bare minimum install of debian and just use the terminal with no X since you have no room? |
| 19:18.45 | starfishy | abrotman: thats a tad unspecific |
| 19:18.46 | chugga | testing |
| 19:18.59 | Gnea | AHAHHAHAHAHHAHA |
| 19:19.02 | chugga | kspath, i did do a minimal install. and i would like to keep it that way |
| 19:19.09 | starfishy | lets say I dont intend to troll, which is why i would like to know what makes you think I am |
| 19:19.13 | Gnea | chugga: testing.... boy, you really don't know how to drink your tea huh |
| 19:19.24 | chugga | great, we are up to 70mb already. |
| 19:19.30 | abrotman | starfishy: drop it already |
| 19:19.33 | Gnea | chugga: oh you think things are bad NOW... |
| 19:19.39 | abrotman | !wine chugga |
| 19:19.43 | kspath | chugga: than you do not need X or anything gui... |
| 19:19.46 | Gnea | chugga: why the hell did you install testing?! |
| 19:19.51 | chugga | kspath, shutup. |
| 19:19.52 | abrotman | Gnea: pure stupidity |
| 19:19.53 | Gnea | are you that stupid? |
| 19:19.57 | fbn | alys: I don't like them either :) but there is no way to get around them :( |
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| 19:20.42 | chugga | Gnea, because stable had too old packages. but at least it had them, which ive come to realise dont even exist on testing. but nevermind, that was the great advice bestowed upon me by well wishing #debian folk. |
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| 19:21.08 | abrotman | certainly not me |
| 19:21.13 | kspath | nor I |
| 19:21.21 | kspath | I am only running stable. |
| 19:21.36 | jjazz | chugga: all your problems would be solved if you upgraded to sid. |
| 19:21.43 | chugga | alright so what driver should i pick on the last stage of the one liner. nv or nvdia? |
| 19:21.45 | ronin | jjazz: sick man |
| 19:21.47 | abrotman | jjazz: don't tell him that |
| 19:21.50 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 19:21.53 | chugga | jjazz, how does that work? |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | maybe he should upgrade to breezy! |
| 19:22.21 | kspath | dapper is not out yet? |
| 19:22.24 | zinx | he should upgrade to windows XP, IMHO |
| 19:22.25 | alys | fbn: I have a suggestion - it works for me. If you have your own domain and your domain company (is that the right term?) provides mail forwarding, then I address a message to [name]@alysian.org (my domain) and that is set up to forward to AOL. It works, but what a palaver! I hate the company... |
| 19:22.25 | abrotman | see .. glutton for punishment |
| 19:22.34 | zinx | much much easier to install nVidia's drivers in windows XP |
| 19:22.43 | jjazz | chugga: You obviously want the latest stuff. Sid has the latest packages. Not as well debugged, but newest. |
| 19:22.55 | abrotman | kspath: rem .. i guess it is |
| 19:22.57 | jjazz | kspath: dapper isn't out yet, no |
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| 19:23.02 | pwned | in my case I just added some guy's repository to sources.list and installed. |
| 19:23.24 | chugga | jjazz, no. i dont care anymore for newer packages. debian is just crap, but i'll use it until i can be bothered changing to something better in a few years |
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| 19:23.41 | wootman | hi, can anyone tell me what sits behind port 942 on my default debian install? |
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| 19:23.53 | abrotman | chugga: fucking install something else .. please please go away .. it's obvious you're not capable of running debian |
| 19:23.54 | denis76 | Is this Debian channel? |
| 19:24.00 | ronin | denis76: it is |
| 19:24.04 | abrotman | denis76: it's one of them |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | !iut |
| 19:24.08 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:24.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:24.09 | denis76 | Wowwww!!! |
| 19:24.16 | abrotman | wootman: grep 942 /etc/services |
| 19:24.20 | rene- | hi, ia m running sarge, i want to upgrade my mysql from 4.0 to 4.1? will apt-get take care of it automatically(migration of data) and how to do it? |
| 19:24.21 | Gnea | chugga: the problem is that you simply dove into testing without so much as properly researching it - yes, testing is in a constant state of flux as packages move in and out of it - that's WHY it's called testing - if you want all of the packages, then use unstable |
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| 19:24.37 | wootman | abrotman: nuthing?! |
| 19:24.50 | Gnea | chugga: the only reason you think it's crap is because you don't understand how it works. |
| 19:24.51 | abrotman | wootman: then use google |
| 19:25.06 | denis76 | I have a problem with my Debiab Box. |
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| 19:25.13 | kspath | get a copy of IANA list and BSD services list |
| 19:25.13 | chugga | Gnea, the research i did was that testing was perfect for those who wanted newer packages than stable |
| 19:25.17 | Gnea | !tell denis76 about ask |
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| 19:25.34 | Gnea | chugga: then your research and results were inconclusive. |
| 19:25.37 | kspath | when you have IANA and BSD and the default debian one you are pretty much covered |
| 19:25.38 | chugga | Gnea, nah debian just sucks. where is the vlc package? ive been waiting 2 months to install that. nowhere |
| 19:25.47 | wootman | it's a default install so someone here should know |
| 19:25.49 | abrotman | how the fuck hasn't he been !op'ed ? |
| 19:25.53 | Azar | ignorants are allways aggressive: they try to force things they do not understand with a hammer |
| 19:25.56 | fbn | alys: maybe there is another way: http://postmaster.aol.com/tools/fbl.html but I'm not sure yet what's that all about ... |
| 19:26.00 | ronin | clear cut case of software exceeding operators skill level i see |
| 19:26.02 | Gnea | chugga: again, it's not in testing, it's in stable and unstable. |
| 19:26.14 | abrotman | wootman: fuser/lsof may tell you |
| 19:26.17 | Gnea | chugga: if you don't like it, then figure out how it works and help fix it. |
| 19:26.27 | jjazz | chugga: sid has vlc |
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| 19:26.56 | chugga | Gnea, ofcourse it isnt in testing - but thats no reason at all. why isnt in testing? because debian freaking sucks. so either you are using an accient version, or you're taking your chances with unstable. thats the debian choice. woo! |
| 19:27.01 | alys | fbn: you waste your time with AOL. I telephoned them and they were polite but refused to give any explanation or to remove me from the banned list. As I said, I hate them... |
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| 19:27.10 | Gnea | chugga: otherwise, sitting around crying like a little bitch about it is only going to bring a negative opinion of yourself upon yourself, you will be forcefully removed, and no one will give a flying fuck about you. |
| 19:27.13 | chugga | Gnea, i dont give a fuck about debian. all these people and still its so lacking.. |
| 19:27.26 | abrotman | chugga: please install something else .. you're trolling now |
| 19:27.36 | chugga | ive seen a handful of people run a distro with better package support than debian. |
| 19:27.45 | chugga | abrotman, no, Gnea asked me questions which i answered |
| 19:27.50 | Gnea | chugga: you are a n00b. |
| 19:27.54 | abrotman | chugga: you're apparently incapable of running Debian .. and i heard GWB can do it .. |
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| 19:27.57 | Azar | chugga you are taking precious space and time here, other people needing help are waiting for you to end this |
| 19:28.00 | GomoX | Hmm |
| 19:28.03 | ronin | chugga: #ubuntu is that way>> |
| 19:28.04 | alys | why is chugga wasting so much bandwidth? I was hoping to get some useful tips and info here... |
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| 19:28.10 | Echo9 | Azar: correct :P |
| 19:28.18 | GomoX | Is there a way to clear a currently unused tty? |
| 19:28.18 | chugga | fags. |
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| 19:28.22 | Gnea | !ops chugga ] <chugga> Gnea, i dont give a fuck about debian. all these people and still its so lacking.. |
| 19:28.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: chugga ] <chugga> Gnea, i dont give a fuck about debian. all these people and still its so lacking.. |
| 19:28.24 | Azar | :) |
| 19:28.25 | abrotman | !Ops chugga abusive |
| 19:28.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: chugga abusive |
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| 19:28.35 | Gnea | chugga: you were warned. |
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| 19:28.55 | dondelelcaro | Gnea, Aza: even if someone is being abusive, please don't be abusive back. |
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| 19:29.04 | bbrazil | GomoX: closevt maybe |
| 19:29.13 | GomoX | bbrazil: hmmm i'll check it out thanks |
| 19:29.19 | mentor | Gnea, Aza: What dondelelcaro said. |
| 19:29.25 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I am trying my best not to fuel the flame |
| 19:29.26 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: i was trying to explain how things worked. even if i wasn't abusive back, he still kept going. |
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| 19:29.29 | dondelelcaro | Gnea, Azar: you're hiding the real problem (ie, chugga's behavoir) behind your own abusive behavoir, which means that not only do we have to deal with chugga, we have to deal with you too. |
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| 19:29.57 | Azar | dondelelcaro: understood |
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| 19:30.02 | GomoX | bbrazil: mmm i don't seem to have that |
| 19:30.15 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: that's fine |
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| 19:30.48 | abrotman | ronin: you should buy HP .. thier wait system just drops people! :) |
| 19:30.55 | dondelelcaro | in short, just use /ignore if you can't stand a particular user; then call for ops if necessary. |
| 19:31.14 | ronin | abrotman: oh joy, i think id settle for on hold for 35 minutes |
| 19:31.15 | YouCeyE | hi.. i just connected my voip to eth1 and it got an address also .. |
| 19:31.25 | kspath | That is why I sometimes ignore after there is a pattern of inability to use logic and/or ability to process information on the part of those demanding help and/or whining loudly. |
| 19:31.27 | denis76 | I have update my kernel but my machine don't start. I obtain an error: "Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled" |
| 19:31.27 | pale_horse | what's the apt source entry for sid please |
| 19:31.30 | abrotman | ronin: i've found IBM seems to have the shortest wait time |
| 19:31.31 | YouCeyE | but it is not able to communicate .. no voice |
| 19:31.34 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 19:31.34 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 19:31.53 | Azar | denis76: are you using lilo? |
| 19:31.59 | denis76 | Grub. |
| 19:32.03 | ronin | abrotman: i use those letters when i get the customer survey emails from dell |
| 19:32.10 | Azar | denis76: ah oh I see... |
| 19:32.12 | mentor | heh |
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| 19:33.00 | kspath | Call center in Bangalore? |
| 19:33.13 | Azar | so it seems grub did not do its job this time denis76 |
| 19:33.56 | Azar | I never used grub, and I know after upgrading a kernel lilo needs be edited for initrd stanza... |
| 19:34.11 | fbn | alys: have you tried adding your ip to the FBL? |
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| 19:34.27 | abrotman | in sarge(dunno about etch/sid) if /etc/lilo.conf exists .. grub doesn't get updated |
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| 19:35.01 | denis76 | I have Sid. |
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| 19:35.09 | Azar | denis76: ah I see... |
| 19:35.24 | starfishy | why doesnt that surprise me? |
| 19:35.27 | abrotman | denis76: it could still exist |
| 19:35.28 | lee_ | I have rebuilt some packages in sarge and made my own apt repo, how do I set the priority of my own higher when the version of the package is the same? |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | !tell lee_ about pinning |
| 19:35.44 | abrotman | starfishy: are you trolling again? :) |
| 19:35.45 | MrObvious | Uhh, it says that /etc/X11/X isn't executable. |
| 19:35.48 | MrObvious | :| |
| 19:35.52 | lee_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:35.52 | abrotman | install x-window-system-core |
| 19:36.00 | starfishy | abrotman: if I am, so are you :) |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | starfishy: liar! |
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| 19:36.21 | starfishy | nope. |
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| 19:36.41 | abrotman | starfishy: i will fry you with wine, garlic, and butter! |
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| 19:36.50 | denis76 | In a package bug or my bad configuration? |
| 19:36.53 | starfishy | i dont think i taste very good :) |
| 19:36.53 | denis76 | Is. |
| 19:36.57 | xDCDx | hello, is there a way to show and follow 'dmesg', doing the same that a 'tail -f filename' does? |
| 19:36.59 | abrotman | starfishy: you're a starfish no? |
| 19:37.13 | MrObvious | It seems like my libs are all messed up :\ |
| 19:37.16 | starfishy | have you ever had starfish before? |
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| 19:37.33 | YouCeyE | starfishy, dhcp server is working fine but no voice .. |
| 19:37.36 | abrotman | starfishy: when i was kid . i would eat anything .. there's no telling .. i've eaten seaweed straight from rocks |
| 19:37.44 | abrotman | starfishy: this could explain many things :) |
| 19:37.47 | starfishy | youceye: did you set up ip forwarding? |
| 19:37.52 | starfishy | hehehe |
| 19:37.56 | Spec | Is it normal that a kernel compiled for a p4 processor + HT won't work on a Pentium M chip? |
| 19:37.59 | sandman | Can Debian be used for clustering? |
| 19:38.01 | YouCeyE | starfishy, i am not sure how to do that.. |
| 19:38.03 | starfishy | well, kids are like that |
| 19:38.09 | abrotman | starfishy: i used to spend summers in maine .. so .. we had starfish |
| 19:38.15 | starfishy | if i look back upon my childhood im kinda surprised i am still alive |
| 19:38.18 | Isobell | hi...what's the correct parameter to install aic79xx in debian sarge? |
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| 19:38.25 | Spec | modprobe aic79xx |
| 19:38.41 | Isobell | i try no_probe..noprobe...but..not works |
| 19:38.48 | starfishy | i basically grew up on our neighbors farm |
| 19:38.59 | Spec | i've been to maine a few times |
| 19:39.01 | Spec | good place to get lobsters. |
| 19:39.06 | abrotman | duh |
| 19:39.10 | Spec | :p |
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| 19:39.17 | abrotman | much better than .. death valley |
| 19:39.19 | Isobell | so..please..how?..if the system not installed yet |
| 19:39.20 | sandman | I'd like to setup a massive cluster to act as a mainframe at my school. I have the support of my faculty, and I'm assembling a team to help build it. I need to ask if there's anyone involved in the Debian community who would be so kind as to assist us in building the cluster using Debian. |
| 19:39.25 | Spec | alaska's better for them king crabs though |
| 19:39.41 | abrotman | maine doesn't have king crab |
| 19:39.44 | Isobell | sorry for ..baaaaaaaaad english :( |
| 19:39.48 | chealer | !tell sandman about consultants |
| 19:39.50 | Spec | and death valley doesn't have lobsters ;) |
| 19:39.52 | oskie- | does anyone know how to insert a trademark [TM] char in a texinfo doc? |
| 19:39.52 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:39.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:40.10 | abrotman | chealer: i think he meant for free :) |
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| 19:40.19 | lehmann | hi folks |
| 19:40.27 | chealer | abrotman: consultants don't have to make you pay, do they? |
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| 19:40.45 | Spec | i think they do |
| 19:40.48 | Spec | it's a legal obligation |
| 19:40.49 | lehmann | does anybody know a good tool to split a large avi file into several smaller ones? |
| 19:40.51 | abrotman | chealer: have to .. no .. |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman | lehmann: cut |
| 19:40.58 | abrotman | split |
| 19:41.01 | abrotman | sorry . not cut |
| 19:41.06 | auk | did somebody say my name? |
| 19:41.08 | chealer | Spec: hehe |
| 19:41.20 | tarzeau | auk: yes !POPCORN :) |
| 19:41.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:41.24 | dpkg | somebody said qotd111 was <Cray2> stoned: take my advice, for GODS SAKE dont use WinME as a router |
| 19:41.25 | Spec | why does debian hate me? :-/ |
| 19:41.32 | sandman | Well, this has to remain zero-cost, yes. |
| 19:41.38 | tarzeau | Spec: it does? |
| 19:41.39 | Samo | hi, i d like to make a copy of my debian install on another drive where i could try things without taking a chance of destroying what already works. Can I just copy everything on the drive to another drive ? |
| 19:41.44 | lee_ | cause you hate Debian. |
| 19:41.49 | tarzeau | Samo: use dd? |
| 19:41.50 | abrotman | sandman: your geographic location might help |
| 19:41.51 | sandman | I'm not saying travel on over here. |
| 19:41.51 | Spec | well, debian and vmware does |
| 19:41.58 | tarzeau | Spec: #vmware |
| 19:42.08 | Dustbuster | can anyone help me with a wireless problem? |
| 19:42.08 | sandman | We just need someone to talk to every now and then. We can use documentation for the rest. |
| 19:42.11 | Spec | i think the problem is laptop specific :p |
| 19:42.18 | lee_ | is vmware a supported archetecture for Debian? |
| 19:42.21 | abrotman | !kill samba |
| 19:42.28 | Spec | uhh |
| 19:42.33 | Spec | debian is not a supported distro for vmware |
| 19:42.39 | sandman | If we need a Debian consultant to come here, we will pay for your way and stay when and if the need arises. |
| 19:42.42 | Spec | but...it's still a linux kernel ;) |
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| 19:43.00 | lee_ | Spec, but that's irrelevant. vmware is it's own hardware archtecture, right? |
| 19:43.00 | dr1v3r | guys is there any way of adding new mail users but denying them access to ssh? |
| 19:43.01 | Dustbuster | ummm |
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| 19:43.09 | sandman | But we just needed some direction here. We know there are distributions that directly support Clustering, but we wanted to use Debian. |
| 19:43.10 | Spec | no |
| 19:43.13 | Spec | the processor is not emulated |
| 19:43.39 | Dustbuster | my laptop is borked, and its looking for a wireless access point... and its not working.. is there anyway to bypass this (this is done whilst booting) |
| 19:43.50 | abrotman | dr1v3r: yes |
| 19:43.50 | Samo | tarzeau, can you give me more info; what is dd ? |
| 19:43.57 | Spec | man dd |
| 19:44.00 | tarzeau | Samo: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 19:44.03 | Spec | !rtfm |
| 19:44.03 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] or Read Their Fucking Minds. |
| 19:44.04 | dr1v3r | how can it be done abrotman? |
| 19:44.12 | tarzeau | !nickometer dr1v3r |
| 19:44.13 | abrotman | dr1v3r: change thier shell to /bin/false |
| 19:44.14 | dpkg | 'dr1v3r' is 37.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 19:44.28 | dr1v3r | tha is getting old now tarzeau |
| 19:44.30 | Dustbuster | and i cant do anything.. as its booting up atm |
| 19:44.34 | Dustbuster | so what the hell can i do? |
| 19:44.34 | Samo | tarzeau; thanks a lot |
| 19:44.34 | dr1v3r | :D |
| 19:44.47 | tarzeau | dr1v3r: and your nickname still sucks 37% |
| 19:45.00 | Dustbuster | !nickometer Dustbuster |
| 19:45.02 | dpkg | 'Dustbuster' is 0.000% lame, dustbuster |
| 19:45.04 | dr1v3r | it probs sucks more than that, but ahhh thats fine |
| 19:45.04 | Dustbuster | :P |
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| 19:45.24 | sandman | Perhaps it would be better to try the mailing lists. |
| 19:45.37 | Dustbuster | can anyopne help with my prob or not? |
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| 19:46.24 | GomoX | argh, what was the line for sysctl.conf so that my ttys don't get filled with iptables logs? |
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| 19:47.34 | BucWheat | hi all |
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| 19:48.01 | BucWheat | what is the right way to give my eth0 a static ip address? i know the dns servers from my isp as well |
| 19:48.01 | lehmann | !nickometer lehmann |
| 19:48.03 | dpkg | 'lehmann' is 0.000% lame, lehmann |
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| 19:48.31 | lehmann | im not lame |
| 19:49.02 | [Cadet] | lehmann: Ummm, you just kind of proved you were lame |
| 19:49.27 | chealer | BucWheat: $ man interfacesz |
| 19:49.32 | sandman | !nickometer _gary |
| 19:49.33 | dpkg | '_gary' is 14.000% lame, sandman |
| 19:49.40 | Spec | !nickometer Spec |
| 19:49.42 | dpkg | 'Spec' is 0.000% lame, spec |
| 19:49.45 | Azar | this is interesting .. reading from the Debian Kernel ... the Debian kernel is being stripped of non-free packages cool. The removed parts are packaged separately as linux-nonfree. |
| 19:49.45 | Spec | ;) |
| 19:50.07 | quitte | tarzeau: do you know of a good electronic dealer in europe? |
| 19:50.17 | lehmann | !nickometer lehmann |
| 19:50.18 | dpkg | 'lehmann' is 0.000% lame, lehmann |
| 19:50.23 | nisc | !nickometer afjowijfoqiohfqfjlajfoiwhjfohqq |
| 19:50.24 | dpkg | 'afjowijfoqiohfqfjlajfoiwhjfohqq' is 0.000% lame, nisc |
| 19:50.29 | quitte | i need 56-tsop nor flash chips |
| 19:50.33 | Matt-H | ffs play with the bot in /msg, not the main channel |
| 19:50.38 | lehmann | according to dpkg im still un-lame |
| 19:50.45 | abrotman | nisc: lehmann; /msg dpkg hi |
| 19:50.51 | nisc | been there, done that |
| 19:51.01 | Azar | :) |
| 19:51.15 | [Cadet] | lehmann: The bot doesn't know everything |
| 19:51.24 | _gary | owell |
| 19:51.38 | _gary | pissoff |
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| 19:52.01 | lehmann | i thought the bot has some sort of prolog-ai to check the lame-o-level of each chatter in this chatroom |
| 19:52.16 | lee_ | I just got this error from dpkg-scansources. would one here have an idea how to fix it? |
| 19:52.17 | lee_ | Prototype mismatch: sub main::getopt: none vs (@) at /usr/bin/dpkg-scansources line 116. |
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| 19:52.34 | Matt-H | lehmann: channel. |
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| 19:52.55 | dr1v3r | abrotman how do i do that with the mail thing bud? |
| 19:53.17 | lehmann | in lamish it's called chatroom :) |
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| 19:53.38 | abrotman | dr1v3r: ? |
| 19:53.47 | dr1v3r | guys is there any way of adding new mail users but denying them access to ssh? |
| 19:54.01 | Matt-H | dr1v3r: he told you... set shell to /bin/flase |
| 19:54.02 | dr1v3r | you said it was possible, just wondering if you knew how |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | dr1v3r: change thier shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd |
| 19:54.10 | jugernaut | hello, I removed the linux partition and I only have windows now, but Grub was installed and now I Can't boot into anything... how do I restore the MBR ? |
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| 19:54.21 | dr1v3r | ahhh rite i see, sorry i missed that |
| 19:54.24 | _eLMo_ | With what package does pam_userdb come ? I have pam itself, but it's not in there ( specifically the command db_load) |
| 19:54.36 | nisc | jugernaut: windows cd |
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| 19:54.54 | strider | jugernaut: that would be a windows question now, wouldn't it |
| 19:55.03 | stew | jugernaut: run "fdisk /mbr" from a windows version of fdisk |
| 19:55.06 | kspath | at least dr1v3r is not one of those but this and but that people that has 27 reasons why every solution will not work/help. |
| 19:55.07 | QQmelo | !es |
| 19:55.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:55.15 | _eLMo_ | jugernaut: boot windows CD, press R (recovery) you will get a console, execute 'fixmbr' |
| 19:55.19 | strider | jugernaut: FIXMBR if you have Xp, in recovery mode |
| 19:55.20 | _eLMo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.20 | Assid | heya. how do you get rid of all xwindows and libraries? |
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| 19:55.32 | jugernaut | Thank you all |
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| 19:55.54 | Echo9 | Ok, so er... I'm having troubles with my debian box. chkrootkit (from a LiveCD, and in the end I even figured out I needed to mount the hard drive and set it as the root directory for the chkrootkit scan) doesn't find anything. That's nice I guess. Still, When booting into the regular installation, the web server isn't starting, and I'm getting access denied on half of everything I try to do, with a root account; even stupid stuff like "less". |
| 19:55.55 | stew | Assid: remove x11-common |
| 19:55.59 | Echo9 | And ideas what I should do next? |
| 19:56.02 | Echo9 | *Any ideas |
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| 19:57.35 | Assid | stew: E: Couldn't find package x11-common |
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| 19:57.50 | tarzeau | quitte: there are several in switzerland yes |
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| 19:58.08 | tarzeau | quitte: in what country are you? sucks to order stuff abroad your country of residence |
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| 19:58.49 | Loof | How do you fake a package installation (i.e. if you install something manually yet don't want to break dependency checking) |
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| 19:59.09 | stew | Assid: in sarge its xfree86-common |
| 19:59.44 | quitte | tarzeau: germany |
| 19:59.56 | bobw | when doing a tcpdump on my DNS server, why is it that the first place it goes for a query of debian.org |
| 20:00.05 | bobw | is 204.74.113.1 |
| 20:00.10 | tarzeau | quitte: you don't have konrad electronics? |
| 20:00.11 | Assid | aah.. thanks |
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| 20:00.24 | tarzeau | quitte: they've got a magazine thicker than the telephone books |
| 20:00.28 | _eLMo_ | quitte: www.conrad.de |
| 20:00.30 | quitte | tarzeau: conrad doesnt have it |
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| 20:00.34 | _eLMo_ | :o |
| 20:00.39 | _eLMo_ | It doesn't ? :O |
| 20:00.42 | tarzeau | quitte: then i don't know |
| 20:01.03 | quitte | _eLMo_: flash chip in tsop 56 case. i cant find it |
| 20:01.13 | underglow_ | Hi there, i was wondering if it's possible to know the datetime a package is installed ? |
| 20:01.39 | tarzeau | underglow_: etch+ ? |
| 20:01.44 | tarzeau | underglow_: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 20:02.24 | Spec | history? |
| 20:02.32 | tarzeau | Spec: doesn't have date/time |
| 20:02.32 | underglow_ | tarzeau: in any debian version. thanks, i will look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:02.53 | tarzeau | underglow_: i don't think sarge had dpkg.log |
| 20:03.06 | tarzeau | underglow_: but maybe you can use a www.backports.org ? |
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| 20:03.10 | onlinebacon | hey |
| 20:03.22 | Spec | i can't believe it's not bacon.... :-/ |
| 20:03.29 | onlinebacon | :-| |
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| 20:03.36 | onlinebacon | :) |
| 20:03.52 | onlinebacon | anyways, anyone here use that debian/bsd kernel OS? |
| 20:04.05 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: me! me! |
| 20:04.07 | strider | heh |
| 20:04.13 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: GNU/kFreeBSD debian 5.4-1-486 #0 Mon Oct 17 21:40:46 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 20:04.18 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: and those in #gnu-kbsd |
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| 20:04.37 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: i've just installed it yesterday again. fast install, sound works, x works, internet works |
| 20:04.46 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: it's fantastic! even gnustep works, and games! |
| 20:04.50 | madclicker | why does xmms-kde keeps crashing xmms and kicker in etch? |
| 20:04.54 | diana_ | If I have a mic plugged into my laptop...what is a good/easy to use program I can use to record what is said into the mic and put it into ogg format? |
| 20:04.59 | tarzeau | madclicker: checked BTS yet? |
| 20:05.03 | abrotman | i get the strangest calls |
| 20:05.14 | tarzeau | diana_: schism/soundtracker/audacity? |
| 20:05.15 | onlinebacon | tarzeau: Great, does it work with sparc64 computers? |
| 20:05.16 | abrotman | diana_: audacity |
| 20:05.20 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: no |
| 20:05.30 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: tried to use freebsd on a sparc64? it's PAIN |
| 20:05.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: bsd is crap! |
| 20:05.40 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: no support for local keyboard/screen.. TEH SUKC |
| 20:05.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's not |
| 20:05.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: linux is crap |
| 20:05.57 | onlinebacon | tarzeau: Why? |
| 20:05.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: bsd is for girls! |
| 20:06.03 | nisc | flame |
| 20:06.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: linux is for pimps |
| 20:06.10 | _eLMo_ | Let's not start a discussion here ;) |
| 20:06.16 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: why what? |
| 20:06.20 | madclicker | tarzeau, what is the package name to chck bts from console? |
| 20:06.23 | onlinebacon | why is it bad? |
| 20:06.24 | tarzeau | onlinebacon: ask #freebsd |
| 20:06.35 | tarzeau | madclicker: bugs.debian.org/xmms-kde |
| 20:06.42 | tarzeau | madclicker: probably and kicker |
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| 20:06.48 | pipeline | tarzeau: whoa, good news |
| 20:06.58 | QQmelo | !no |
| 20:06.58 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 20:07.06 | QQmelo | hola |
| 20:07.09 | tarzeau | pipeline: news on what? |
| 20:07.20 | diana_ | !start a distro war |
| 20:07.20 | dpkg | Cent OS owns! |
| 20:07.29 | stew | diana_: rec from the sox package |
| 20:07.31 | pipeline | tarzeau: debian kfreebsd not being a joke. |
| 20:07.51 | tarzeau | pipeline: gnu/solaris is a joke, but kfreebsd has built like 4/5 of what's in sid |
| 20:07.56 | madclicker | tarzeau, there is a package in the repos that one can install to check the bts directly from condole |
| 20:08.04 | madclicker | console |
| 20:08.07 | tarzeau | madclicker: yes links2 for example |
| 20:08.14 | tarzeau | pipeline: you gonna try it now? |
| 20:08.18 | pipeline | tarzeau: No :P |
| 20:08.18 | madclicker | tarzeau, thanks |
| 20:08.25 | pipeline | tarzeau: But I'm still pleased. |
| 20:08.27 | stew | madclicker: querybts from reportbug |
| 20:08.40 | tarzeau | stew: any real browser will do |
| 20:08.40 | madclicker | stew, thats it |
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| 20:08.48 | madclicker | stew, thx |
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| 20:10.13 | naetrick | Hey guys, I'm sort of confused. Where is X11 in apt-get? |
| 20:10.21 | naetrick | It seems XFree86 is installed in place of it |
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| 20:10.41 | naetrick | (/etc/X11/XF86conf-4) |
| 20:10.47 | pipeline | naetrick: XFree86 |
| 20:10.52 | pipeline | naetrick: *is* X11 |
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| 20:10.59 | naetrick | I thought they separated... |
| 20:11.00 | Genscher | ok, i need help. i just did some mistake command: "rm -r /usr/" instead of "rm -r ./usr/". i have ssh connection, can use "cp"... is there a possibility to get some data through this ssh connection ? (no sftd working) |
| 20:11.23 | Azul_Leon | uh oh |
| 20:11.24 | ronin | naetrick: your thinking xorg i suspect |
| 20:11.26 | Genscher | all other bash command are missing. |
| 20:11.36 | Azul_Leon | i think you're screwed GenNMX|Thrae |
| 20:11.37 | tarzeau | Genscher: hahaha |
| 20:11.41 | naetrick | ahh, yes, that's so :) |
| 20:11.42 | Azul_Leon | er Genscher |
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| 20:12.10 | Genscher | i tried using apache, but it's also missing ;) |
| 20:12.13 | tarzeau | 21:12 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Genscher: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 20:12.26 | ronin | heh tarzeau doesnt mean much though |
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| 20:12.37 | Genscher | jup |
| 20:12.38 | Azul_Leon | yes - i do believe you are in a world of hurt |
| 20:12.45 | tarzeau | Genscher: tried alt-f4 yet? |
| 20:12.46 | Genscher | i'm connected to the server with ssh |
| 20:12.55 | Azul_Leon | means nothing |
| 20:12.59 | Azul_Leon | you are done with that install |
| 20:13.06 | Azul_Leon | reinstall the os |
| 20:13.18 | nisc | Genscher: why can't you just sftp to the server? |
| 20:13.25 | Genscher | i like to get some backup file i have in some directory before. |
| 20:13.27 | pipeline | ronin: hahah, your version reply is hilariously awful. |
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| 20:13.48 | dsl_ | rc.prison.net |
| 20:13.48 | Genscher | nisc: how can i get some sftp daemon on my server?! |
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| 20:14.02 | naetrick | How do I get the kernel source tree in debian? |
| 20:14.17 | ronin | pipeline: yep, really sad thing is theres really a client with that reply |
| 20:14.17 | tarzeau | naetrick: using wget or apt-get install ? |
| 20:14.18 | abrotman | naetrick: apt-cache search kernel source |
| 20:14.27 | tarzeau | Genscher: use apt-get install ? |
| 20:14.33 | chealer | naetrick: your install the kernel source package and uncompress the tarball |
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| 20:14.37 | tarzeau | oh wait that's also in /usr |
| 20:14.48 | Genscher | yep |
| 20:14.55 | naetrick | Ok, thanks... now why is there such low versions? The kernel is at 2.6.15+ now |
| 20:15.06 | abrotman | naetrick: because you're on debian/stable |
| 20:15.14 | naetrick | Can I change that? |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | sure |
| 20:15.39 | Azul_Leon | at your own risk... :/ |
| 20:15.52 | abrotman | naetrick: be aware things break and/or can't be installed |
| 20:15.58 | naetrick | I'm a Gentoo user, so some of this Debian stuff is a little confusing... where does it keep the kernel images to boot into the kernel? |
| 20:16.06 | tarzeau | naetrick: /boot |
| 20:16.13 | Azul_Leon | ya - boot loader dir |
| 20:16.19 | Genscher | ok, all commands i can use are in "/bin" |
| 20:16.21 | naetrick | ok |
| 20:16.25 | Azar | question: after upgrading the kernel, the original kernel I understand is placed in /boot/vmilnuz.old and /boot/initrd.img.old, how could I say try to boot with the old kernel if the new kernel will not work? |
| 20:16.32 | tarzeau | Genscher: /sbin /usr/local/ ? |
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| 20:16.56 | BoltActnAssault | can you change the default gateway in edbian with ifconfig? |
| 20:16.57 | tarzeau | Azar: grub? |
| 20:16.59 | Azul_Leon | azar - modify your boot loader config to add an entry pointing to those old copies |
| 20:17.04 | BoltActnAssault | *debian |
| 20:17.05 | Azar | tarzeau yes lets say I use grub |
| 20:17.06 | tarzeau | BoltActnAssault: with route, not with ifconfig |
| 20:17.08 | Genscher | tarzeau: yes! /sbin also! |
| 20:17.12 | tarzeau | Azar: in grub press "e" |
| 20:17.36 | Azar | tarzeau ah nice.. thanks, |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | BoltActnAssault: man route |
| 20:17.39 | Azul_Leon | for a one-shot boot on the old files you can edit grub on the fly to point to them for that one time |
| 20:18.00 | Azul_Leon | or use a livecd to edit the grub.conf file to add the entry |
| 20:18.00 | BoltActnAssault | thanks |
| 20:18.09 | Azar | Azul_Leon: thanks, yes I know how to do it in lilo, never knew about grub |
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| 20:18.42 | Azul_Leon | i multiboot with grub on my laptop between *nix and winxp |
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| 20:19.34 | MOtheRus | hi |
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| 20:20.41 | ryan` | What's the command the reverses the order of lines in a file? |
| 20:20.53 | naetrick | So, if I wanted to download a newer kernel and compile it manually, it would be the same as in gentoo... put it in /usr/src, compile, and link /usr/src/linux to it, and then put it on boot partition and stuff? |
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| 20:21.14 | naetrick | So how would I add myself to "testing"? |
| 20:21.37 | stew | ryan`: tac |
| 20:21.42 | paulswm | naetrick: The Debian Rference manual describes kernel building in Debian |
| 20:21.53 | Genscher | is there any command in /bin or /sbin that can communicate to another server? |
| 20:22.06 | Genscher | (i can't check it, because "man" is missing, too) ;) |
| 20:22.11 | Bucciarati | what do you mean with communicate ? |
| 20:22.17 | orgy | Genscher: ping? |
| 20:22.33 | Genscher | ping is there, but i can hardly send data with ping :/ |
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| 20:22.55 | stew | Genscher: /sbin/mount |
| 20:22.55 | ryan` | stew: that's the one, thanks |
| 20:22.59 | orgy | Genscher: nc! |
| 20:23.10 | stew | orgy: nc would be in /usr/bin |
| 20:23.15 | ryan` | cat backwards, cute. |
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| 20:23.33 | Bucciarati | Genscher: gawk can communicate via /dev/tcp/HOST/PORT |
| 20:23.37 | orgy | stew: lolnet@zion:~$ which nc |
| 20:23.37 | Bucciarati | and /dev/udp too |
| 20:23.38 | orgy | /bin/nc |
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| 20:24.04 | stew | orgy: oops, you are right |
| 20:24.07 | orgy | stew: dpkg -L netcat :) |
| 20:24.08 | humboldt | how can I add a max osx printer to my linux box or why does the CUPS way not work? |
| 20:24.10 | Genscher | Bucciarati: no gawk here |
| 20:24.24 | Genscher | no nc here |
| 20:24.30 | Genscher | but mount here |
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| 20:24.45 | Bucciarati | mount nfs then |
| 20:24.49 | Bucciarati | and then cp |
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| 20:24.59 | Genscher | nfs? |
| 20:25.17 | stew | !nfs |
| 20:25.17 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 20:25.25 | Genscher | ahhh |
| 20:25.39 | BoltActnAssault | can you edit entrys in the route table, or do you have to del then add |
| 20:25.41 | Genscher | ok....so i have to setup nfs under mws first :) |
| 20:25.48 | Genscher | *msw |
| 20:25.50 | Bucciarati | BoltActnAssault: yes with iproute |
| 20:26.01 | ryan` | heh |
| 20:26.01 | bbrazil | GomoX: deallocvt is the right name |
| 20:26.06 | Bucciarati | ip r change |
| 20:26.27 | jelly-ho | wtf is msw? Windows? |
| 20:26.34 | m00s3s | Hey, I miscofigured my monitor during the installation and X is only showing in a part of my screen. How can I change it after the install? :) |
| 20:26.37 | BucWheat | what is the best way to automount USB memory sticks? I have a computer that several people share and they all have different brands of memory sticks |
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| 20:26.51 | BucWheat | how can i automount the memory sticks if the brands are different? |
| 20:26.58 | whaq|away | Q: Are there any utils to show hd activity indicator on shell? |
| 20:27.00 | BucWheat | i have udev up and running |
| 20:27.05 | abrotman | whaq|away: iostat |
| 20:27.08 | ^Ocean^ | BucWheat, there is a how-to on it somewere |
| 20:27.11 | abrotman | among others |
| 20:27.14 | whaq|away | abrotman, much appreciated! |
| 20:27.25 | ^Ocean^ | I forget were, but I remember reading it becuase i set it up not look long ago |
| 20:27.35 | Matt-H | !tell m00s3s about drx |
| 20:27.35 | jelly-ho | Genscher: Heh. sfu has nfs for msw, afair. ;-) |
| 20:27.39 | ^Ocean^ | read up on automount |
| 20:27.50 | BoltActnAssault | whaere is iproute located? |
| 20:27.51 | abrotman | !automount |
| 20:27.51 | dpkg | automount is probably autofs you moron |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | !autofs |
| 20:27.55 | dpkg | [autofs] a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
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| 20:28.03 | abrotman | !tell BoltActnAssault about search |
| 20:28.09 | m00s3s | drx :o? |
| 20:28.27 | BucWheat | abrotman yea i have autofs installed |
| 20:28.27 | Matt-H | !drx |
| 20:28.27 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:28.31 | Defcon5 | hello |
| 20:28.45 | Defcon5 | Question about debian |
| 20:28.51 | Kresten | What packages do I need to get xfce up and running? |
| 20:28.56 | Defcon5 | i want to setup a pc with debian 3.2 |
| 20:29.02 | deadcat | Kresten: apt-cache search xfce4 |
| 20:29.05 | m00s3s | So I run drxx as root? :) |
| 20:29.10 | deadcat | Defcon5: aint no 3.2 |
| 20:29.12 | Matt-H | m00s3s: do what dpkg said... |
| 20:29.20 | m00s3s | okay :D |
| 20:29.26 | m00s3s | thanks :) |
| 20:29.26 | Defcon5 | well the latest version of debian |
| 20:29.31 | jelly-ho | perhaps search factiod could mention that packages.d.o is down. |
| 20:29.40 | deadcat | Defcon5: debian.org/ the netinstall link |
| 20:29.51 | Defcon5 | but wich packages do i need for the kernel compiling? |
| 20:29.57 | dondelelcaro | jelly-ho: it's only down temporarily; the /topic metions it as well. |
| 20:29.58 | stew | Defcon5: 3.1r1 is the most recently released version |
| 20:30.04 | deadcat | Defcon5: kernel-package |
| 20:30.14 | stew | and build-essential |
| 20:30.14 | Defcon5 | only that one? |
| 20:30.16 | Kresten | deadcat: Yeah, but I cant see what I need to run it... |
| 20:30.28 | deadcat | Defcon5: debian comes with a kernel. the latest you can get is 2.6.15-1 just apt-get it. dont have to compile |
| 20:30.32 | jelly-ho | dondelelcaro: thanks, haven't seen that. |
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| 20:30.38 | deadcat | Kresten: startxfce4 |
| 20:30.55 | Defcon5 | deadcat, since when is that? |
| 20:31.06 | deadcat | Defcon5: since forever |
| 20:31.29 | Defcon5 | well i can remember that i compiled the kernel myself |
| 20:31.40 | Kresten | deadcat: It just says "command not found" |
| 20:31.48 | deadcat | Kresten: you installed the xfce4 packages? |
| 20:31.53 | jelly-ho | !lart me |
| 20:32.06 | deadcat | Kresten: xfce4 IS the package name |
| 20:32.18 | Kresten | deadcat: Yeah, I did that... |
| 20:32.37 | deadcat | Kresten: then just startxfce4 or just startx |
| 20:33.27 | deadcat | Kresten: if that fails. just install gdm or something |
| 20:33.27 | strider | anyone know whether xfwm4 is compiled with composite support then? |
| 20:33.27 | Kresten | deadcat: ok, thanks... |
| 20:33.27 | deadcat | strider: no |
| 20:33.41 | strider | ahh, thanks deadcat :) |
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| 20:34.11 | BucWheat | abrotman the autofs makes sense but how do i set it up so when anyone connects their stick to my computer it will automount? we do not have the same brand mem stick |
| 20:34.23 | abrotman | i don't see why that matters |
| 20:34.34 | BucWheat | abrotman therefore the text regarding the stick inserted in /var/log/messages will change |
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| 20:35.03 | BucWheat | abrotman don't i need SYSFS{model} identifier so it will no it is the device to mount? |
| 20:35.04 | naetrick | Where does Debian keep it's .config file? |
| 20:35.15 | naetrick | For the kernel it automatically configures |
| 20:35.19 | Kresten | deadcat: well, when I issue the command "startxfce4" it says"starting x server" and then "line 34: exec: xinit not found". Do I need to install x seperately? |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | BucWheat: wild cards don't work ?> |
| 20:35.29 | BoltActnAssault | im having trouble getting search to work. no man for search, command not found, apt-get install search (package not found) |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | naetrick: /boot/ |
| 20:35.43 | paulswm | naetrick: in /boot, it's called config... |
| 20:35.47 | abrotman | !tell BoltActnAssault about search |
| 20:35.56 | lee_ | could someone recommend a utility to convert a postscript file to a bitmap, preferable a png? |
| 20:35.56 | deadcat | Kresten: install x-window-system-core |
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| 20:36.04 | Kresten | ok |
| 20:37.24 | paulswm | abrotman: No thanks, I just annoy people |
| 20:37.30 | tarzeau | lee_: convert from imagemagick? |
| 20:37.32 | abrotman | paulswm: i can do it again! |
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| 20:39.42 | Ryushin | Anyone just happen to know when Thunderbird 1.5 might be released into unstable or experimental? |
| 20:39.51 | abrotman | !wir |
| 20:39.51 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:39.52 | tarzeau | Ryushin: it's not there yet_ |
| 20:39.54 | BucWheat | what do i need to add after udevinfo -a -p {what is the device string for all devices connected to usb?} |
| 20:39.58 | BoltActnAssault | apt-cache add iproute? E: Unimplemented |
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| 20:40.10 | tarzeau | BoltActnAssault: apt-get install _ |
| 20:40.16 | tarzeau | BoltActnAssault: or apt-cache search ? |
| 20:40.29 | abrotman | !tell BoltActnAssault about grounding |
| 20:40.31 | BucWheat | i'm trying to have udevinfo scan all the system busses and give me the info so i can pick a generic sysfs specification for automounting all usb memory sticks |
| 20:40.34 | Ryushin | tarzeau: I've noticed that. I'm just getting anxious for it. |
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| 20:42.01 | starfishy | has anyone tried running dual-link dvi with debian yet |
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| 20:43.56 | kokkoo | hi, where do i define which interface is eth0 and eth1 ? |
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| 20:44.40 | hikenboot | anyone able to tell me how stable HA linux is on debian with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:44.41 | LSorensen | kokkoo: module load order. or maybe with udev rules. |
| 20:45.13 | kokkoo | LSorensen : well i got it up by running ifconfig eth0, but it does not respond to ifup eth0.. see? |
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| 20:45.48 | kokkoo | LSorensen : thing is, i changed nic.. |
| 20:45.54 | Genscher | oookkk, nfs server running on windows. i need your help mounting to this server in debian since i have no man :) so how do i use "mount" to connect to that nfs volume? |
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| 20:46.01 | LSorensen | kokkoo: that would be /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:46.13 | LSorensen | kokkoo: man interfaces |
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| 20:46.26 | LSorensen | kokkoo: and add the module for it to /etc/modules so it is loaded early in boot |
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| 20:47.23 | mhall | what's crackin |
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| 20:47.33 | mhall | has anybody got a quick debian question they need help with |
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| 20:47.40 | jelly-ho | Genscher: mount host:/exported/path /mnt(or wherever) |
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| 20:47.51 | deadcat | mhall: just ask |
| 20:48.00 | mhall | deadcat: 12:50 < mhall> has anybody got a quick debian question they need help with |
| 20:48.09 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 20:48.22 | deadcat | i read 1/2 of the question. like i always do |
| 20:48.33 | BucWheat | abrotman i do not see how to solve my problem could you please assist me |
| 20:48.37 | abrotman | bah .. where's chugga when mhall is wililng to help |
| 20:48.43 | mhall | deadcat: i was gonna go to class in a couple min but meanwhile i'm waiting on lunch to be done cooking |
| 20:48.45 | abrotman | BucWheat: with? autofs ? |
| 20:48.48 | mhall | abrotman: chugga? |
| 20:48.53 | BucWheat | abrotman yea |
| 20:49.00 | BucWheat | i have two mem sticks here to test now |
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| 20:49.12 | abrotman | BucWheat: i don't use autofs |
| 20:49.14 | epsilon | mhall: why does 2.6 kerbel sux? |
| 20:49.16 | mhall | deadcat: i was just reading about the danish jutlands post making their cartoons |
| 20:49.16 | kokkoo | LSorensen : i get : ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 20:49.29 | BucWheat | abrotman how do you auto mount the sticks and umount them? |
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| 20:49.30 | mhall | epsilon: lol, cause 2.4 is t3h 133+ |
| 20:49.31 | deadcat | mhall: HAHAHAHHA. crazy... |
| 20:49.41 | bureado | D'oh. |
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| 20:50.04 | grandma | anyone know how i can edit what battery % my laptop will shutdown at? also the % when warnings display |
| 20:50.07 | LSorensen | kokkoo: is eth0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:50.11 | mhall | deadcat: wasn't that the insanest thing ever |
| 20:50.12 | harleyg | can anyone test my script on kanotix? http://harleyg.linuxlabs.co.uk/status/status.sh |
| 20:50.15 | harleyg | would be much appreciated |
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| 20:50.23 | mhall | !tell harleyg about based on debian |
| 20:50.29 | mhall | harleyg: #kanotix |
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| 20:50.34 | LSorensen | kokkoo: that message normally means you didn't list the interface in the interfaces file |
| 20:50.39 | deadcat | mhall: no offense. but it IS the mid east (= |
| 20:50.41 | abrotman | BucWheat: i don't like things that auto-do-things .. |
| 20:50.42 | dumezil | i'm trying to unmount /home, but when i try it says /home: device is busy. lsof | grep home doesn't return anything. why can't i umount /home? |
| 20:50.44 | harleyg | yesyes... whatever |
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| 20:51.27 | LSorensen | dumezil: anything mounted under /home? anyone currently cd'd there? any non root user logged in? |
| 20:51.31 | mhall | deadcat: true |
| 20:51.39 | mhall | harleyg: no, *NOT* whatever |
| 20:51.46 | kokkoo | LSorensen : ah i figured it out :) |
| 20:51.46 | mhall | harleyg: use the right channel for the right stuff |
| 20:51.58 | dumezil | LSorensen: no, no, and no... |
| 20:52.00 | mhall | harleyg: don't expect us to be booting kanotix to test your stuff when we all use debian |
| 20:52.08 | BucWheat | abrotman k |
| 20:52.09 | harleyg | its not for kanotix |
| 20:52.10 | LSorensen | : hmm, odd. |
| 20:52.16 | harleyg | i want a range of people to test it and give feedback |
| 20:52.18 | harleyg | so yeh... stfu |
| 20:52.19 | wajig|sarge | why are ports 675, 685 listening on sarge an what are they for. there's no entry in /etc/services ? |
| 20:52.20 | dumezil | LSorensen unless lsof isn't the correct way to check those things... |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | BucWheat: i just find it hard to believe you'd have to define every piece of usb stick that exists |
| 20:52.27 | Kresten | I've just installed x but made an error setting up my mouse. How do I restart the config of x? |
| 20:52.31 | mhall | harleyg: but you asked us to test it on kanotix, why don't you stfu and ask in the right place |
| 20:52.34 | deadcat | mhall: hows the interview with HP? |
| 20:52.36 | abrotman | wajig|sarge: fuser/lsof might kow |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | know |
| 20:52.46 | harleyg | and where is the right place to ask for someone to test my script |
| 20:52.49 | mhall | deadcat: yeah it was pretty hard like 6-7 hrs |
| 20:52.51 | harleyg | exactly |
| 20:52.58 | mhall | harleyg: #kanotix like i said already |
| 20:53.02 | deadcat | dammit. where the fuck is the UPS guy with my dvd burner? (= i got class in an hour! |
| 20:53.03 | wajig|sarge | abrotman, hm... thx |
| 20:53.08 | harleyg | #kanotix is about kanotix |
| 20:53.08 | kokkoo | yes thats more like it, e1000 module working properly:) |
| 20:53.08 | mhall | harleyg: if you want us to test it on debian that's different |
| 20:53.11 | harleyg | not about a bash script |
| 20:53.13 | Genscher | nothing happening when i do "mount IP:/export /mnt". it's like it's waiting... |
| 20:53.13 | deadcat | mhall: damn. thats no interview. thats a work day |
| 20:53.14 | EvertC | I have a Q: I need a very reliable IMAP/SMTP combination that can be installed with APT. It will be used for heavy emails and automatic processing, on 1 domain and public-facing.. what would a good choice be? |
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| 20:53.16 | harleyg | yes i do.. thats why im hear |
| 20:53.18 | mhall | harleyg: 12:52 < harleyg> can anyone test my script on kanotix? http://harleyg.linuxlabs.co.uk/status/status.sh |
| 20:53.19 | abrotman | harleyg: then ask #bash |
| 20:53.27 | harleyg | yes |
| 20:53.35 | harleyg | i want #kanotix to test it on kanotix |
| 20:53.38 | mhall | deadcat: yeah but i got a plush hotel and 200 USD in supply money |
| 20:53.40 | harleyg | whats so hard to understand? |
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| 20:53.45 | mhall | harleyg: so ask them not us |
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| 20:53.50 | mhall | harleyg: this is the DEBIAN channel |
| 20:53.52 | harleyg | im asking you to test it on debian |
| 20:54.01 | mhall | harleyg: THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR QUESTION SAID |
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| 20:54.09 | Genscher | ok, i think my death is, that it is a vserver, that means, i have no real network access. |
| 20:54.11 | Genscher | :( |
| 20:54.15 | mhall | harleyg: if you want a decent answer ask the right thing |
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| 20:54.22 | harleyg | oh right, didnt mean to add kanotix to this one |
| 20:54.25 | harleyg | yeh my bad |
| 20:54.30 | abrotman | nice |
| 20:54.39 | mhall | harleyg: :-( |
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| 20:54.56 | harleyg | :) |
| 20:55.01 | BucWheat | abrotman well i followed the tut that you posted and it specifies the usb stick it is using so i did the same |
| 20:55.02 | Genscher | ok, thank you all, i'm setting up a new system :/ |
| 20:55.21 | mhall | !mhallsmite harleyg |
| 20:55.22 | abrotman | " The significance of the administrative privileges is documented in ???." .. yay for good docs |
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| 20:55.28 | BucWheat | abrotman if there were some generic usb stick term i could use in the SYSFS parameter then i would use it |
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| 20:55.41 | mhall | :-D |
| 20:55.42 | EvertC | ahh nobody can answer my question? |
| 20:55.44 | abrotman | BucWheat: there probably is one .. but i don't use autofs |
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| 20:56.01 | harleyg | hey relax guy! |
| 20:56.13 | mhall | harleyg: it's just a joke ;-) |
| 20:56.14 | abrotman | EvertC: i vote postfix/courier .. but i prefer maildir over mbox |
| 20:56.20 | harleyg | :P |
| 20:56.24 | harleyg | southpark :) |
| 20:56.24 | BucWheat | abrotman k. i'll poll the chan |
| 20:56.31 | deadcat | i wasnt joking... |
| 20:56.33 | EvertC | allright, thanks.. does that work out of the box with APT? |
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| 20:56.33 | BucWheat | anyone use autofs to automount usb memory sticks? |
| 20:56.37 | EvertC | i need something managable |
| 20:56.38 | mhall | harleyg: a bit worse than south park |
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| 20:56.56 | harleyg | hey you no what, just confused me right here |
| 20:57.01 | BucWheat | i'm trying to figure out what keywords to put in my udev and autofs rules to automount any usb memory stick that is inserted into my computer |
| 20:57.08 | abrotman | EvertC: you have to configure postfix to use maildir .. but that's pretty easy to do |
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| 20:57.11 | ronove | wth? irc.idlemonkeys.net just f*cking dissapeared |
| 20:57.18 | abrotman | this is bad? |
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| 20:57.27 | deadcat | ronove: and do we need to know that? |
| 20:57.28 | EvertC | allright, so maildir is compiled in? |
| 20:57.35 | hikenboot | anyone able to answer my question of debian 2.6 kernel and the stability of its support of HA clustering and ISCSI? |
| 20:57.40 | abrotman | EvertC: it's a config option for postfix |
| 20:57.50 | mhall | harleyg: i do that to everybody |
| 20:58.09 | ronove | deadcat: no, you don't, but I was like "wtf" |
| 20:58.09 | EvertC | allright, thanks I know enough :) |
| 20:58.09 | EvertC | have a good one abrotman! |
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| 20:58.23 | basix | i am trying to give all my outgoing TCP packets the highest priority. Will this IPtables rule work? iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p tcp -j MARK --set-mark 20 |
| 20:58.45 | mhall | basix: ethereal is your friend |
| 20:59.26 | basix | mhall, i dont have it installed currently. does the rule look ok? and why isn't it showing up in iptables -L ?? |
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| 20:59.41 | mhall | basix: -L abbreviates a bit |
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| 20:59.52 | mhall | basix: try shit like iptables -t nat -L and -t mangle -L |
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| 21:00.03 | bnoji | I'm looking for some resources or tutorials on date manipulation and conversion between formats |
| 21:00.13 | abrotman | man date ? |
| 21:00.14 | bnoji | I'm trying to replicate PHP's strtotime function in VB |
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| 21:00.22 | bnoji | abrotman: I'm stuck in MS Access |
| 21:00.24 | mhall | basix: also, exercise caution, usually high priority tagging leads to low bandwidth |
| 21:00.30 | deadcat | bnoji: this ain #vb |
| 21:00.34 | vulture | bnoji: which has what to do with Debian? |
| 21:00.38 | bnoji | I'm just looking for a theory guide on processing dates |
| 21:00.49 | abrotman | bnoji: a big freaking case statement :) |
| 21:00.54 | mhall | bnoji: bojank the source code of libc |
| 21:00.57 | bnoji | vulture: im not looking for anything VB specific...just info on dates |
| 21:01.18 | bnoji | mhall: I'm looking at the PHP source for their strtotime function |
| 21:01.21 | mhall | bnoji: also google on tzinfo |
| 21:01.26 | bnoji | thanks. |
| 21:01.28 | deadcat | bnoji: how many people do you think here know vb? |
| 21:01.28 | mhall | bnoji: php usu. calls the C one |
| 21:01.35 | vulture | bnoji: Chances are you do want something VB specific. If you want something general, you'll probably find documents about parsing all over the place - still not relly a #Debian topic |
| 21:01.38 | mhall | bnoji: the C one is the official one in libc |
| 21:01.56 | bnoji | I was hoping to find something on parsing dates based on features found in the string... |
| 21:02.12 | bnoji | like, determining whether its mmddyyyy or yyyymmdd |
| 21:02.24 | Dustbuster | how do i bring up my wireless card? as in... connect to my access point? |
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| 21:02.37 | bnoji | Dustbuster: What module do you use? |
| 21:02.42 | dumezil | lsof lists no open files in /home, nothing is mounted under /home (except, of course, /home which is /dev/sda8), and no other users are logged into this machine. why can't i umount /home? |
| 21:02.43 | mhall | bnoji InvalidChannelChoiceException in bnoji.dll line 42 |
| 21:02.53 | basix | Dustbuster, iwconfig?? |
| 21:02.59 | Dustbuster | bnoji: no idea, how do i find out |
| 21:03.01 | mhall | bnoji: please consider ##c ##c++ or one of the ASP or VB channels |
| 21:03.12 | Dustbuster | ive set all the stuff |
| 21:03.20 | bnoji | Dustbuster no idea...I use wlan-ng, so mines ghetto |
| 21:03.21 | Dustbuster | just dont know how to start the interface |
| 21:03.37 | Matt-H | dumezil: are you logged in as root? (rather than logged in as normal user and su - that leaves your user using /home) |
| 21:03.43 | bnoji | usually you can ifup wlan0 |
| 21:04.08 | Dustbuster | debian:~/rt2500-1.1.0-b3/Module# ifup ra0 |
| 21:04.08 | Dustbuster | Ignoring unknown interface ra0=ra0. |
| 21:04.08 | Dustbuster | debian:~/rt2500-1.1.0-b3/Module# |
| 21:04.20 | mhall | Matt-H: which matt h are you? i'm a different one |
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| 21:04.34 | Matt-H | mhall: well I'm not you I think |
| 21:04.43 | basix | Dustbuster, first you modprobe your wifi card's module then you use iwconfig to configure the wireless params and lastly you use ifconfig <interface> up |
| 21:04.48 | _eLMo_ | I need an FTP server that can supply me with 3 basic things 1. Users 2. Lock some (NOT ALL) users in home dir 3. Passwords... I can't get this done with vsftpd and proftpd, can anyone help me ? |
| 21:04.55 | bnoji | mhall: there are VB and ASP channels? |
| 21:04.58 | mhall | Matt-H: one hopes not |
| 21:04.59 | Dustbuster | basix: ive done all that |
| 21:05.02 | Dustbuster | PM |
| 21:05.07 | mhall | bnoji: one of my friends is a regular in one |
| 21:05.22 | id10t | Hi all... Stupid problem: I ate my default apache vhost file, without a good backup. D'oh. Can someone send me a fresh one? /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 21:05.41 | dumezil | Matt-H: im logged in as root. on one terminal i have su'ed to my user so i can irc, but even when im not su'ed, it still doesn't work |
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| 21:05.50 | bnoji | id10t: i might have one |
| 21:06.01 | id10t | bnoji: that'd be spiffy |
| 21:06.09 | bnoji | you could probably find it in the source tgz |
| 21:06.21 | id10t | that's a thought... |
| 21:06.30 | Matt-H | dumezil: I did this the other day and had similar problems.. forgotten what worked though :( |
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| 21:06.40 | tyler_ | anyone has a script that can replace spaces with underscores? plssss |
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| 21:06.46 | dumezil | Matt-H great... |
| 21:06.49 | mhall | tyler_: easy |
| 21:07.12 | mhall | tyler_: cat shit | sed -e 's, ,_,g' | wherever |
| 21:07.24 | bnoji | id10t: i have one here if you cant find it |
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| 21:07.27 | tyler_ | _|_ |
| 21:07.37 | Matt-H | dumezil: suppose last resort you could boot into single user mode and remove it from /etc/fstab |
| 21:07.47 | MOtheRus | why my audio doesn't work ? :(( |
| 21:07.59 | id10t | bnoji: yeah, it'd save me some time |
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| 21:08.17 | dumezil | Matt-H: yeah i know i can do that, but im trying to not bring down the server which is providing services for the users |
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| 21:09.22 | Azar | MOtheRus: maybe you need to configure it? |
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| 21:09.39 | thosa | hi guys: does anybody have a good FAQ how to install D-Link 520+ with acx100 chipset on Debian Sarge 3.1 ? |
| 21:09.48 | bnoji | id10t: i can email it to you |
| 21:09.51 | mhall | thosa: acx is a tough chipset |
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| 21:09.58 | bnoji | or scp or ftp |
| 21:10.00 | MOtheRus | Azar: i don't know how to do |
| 21:10.18 | Azar | MOtheRus: when did you installed Debian? what version? |
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| 21:10.52 | thosa | mhall: tough means more or less no way ? |
| 21:10.54 | MOtheRus | Azar: yesterday , with the net install , sarge 3.1 |
| 21:10.55 | E-bola | Hello |
| 21:10.59 | E-bola | I get /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: No such file or directory |
| 21:11.02 | E-bola | everytime i try to install packages with apt-get |
| 21:11.12 | mhall | thosa: no i heard of people getting it to work |
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| 21:11.12 | E-bola | where can i make apt understand apt-listchanges isnt installed anymore? |
| 21:11.16 | Azar | MOtheRus: please type uname -a at command line, tell us what kernel you have |
| 21:11.26 | mhall | thosa: it's just going to be hard; are you sure you can't score an atheros card |
| 21:11.36 | Pedro420 | nvz_: Nandrew ? |
| 21:11.41 | MOtheRus | 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:12.13 | thosa | mhall: score means buy? |
| 21:12.15 | Azar | MOtheRus: ok before you go into sound you want to upgrade your kernel so you can get better support for hardware |
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| 21:12.21 | Matt-H | thosa: or steal ;) |
| 21:12.27 | thosa | mhall: sorry not native speaker |
| 21:12.31 | thosa | hihi |
| 21:12.37 | naetrick | When I use apt-get, I'm getting... "W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 21:12.45 | pm_ | from my server i can access www.gmail.com, but from my network machines i can't, what can cause this? |
| 21:12.47 | MOtheRus | Azar: oh no! can i do that without change kernel ? |
| 21:12.51 | naetrick | "E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/" |
| 21:12.53 | Azar | MOtheRus: type in command line: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:13.02 | naetrick | "E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." |
| 21:13.02 | Azar | MOtheRus: is easy nothing will break.. |
| 21:13.05 | TheReverant | hey all |
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| 21:13.24 | TheReverant | afaik theres a command for debian to automatically create a grub.conf, no? |
| 21:13.28 | mhall | thosa: acquire, obtain, get |
| 21:13.34 | Azar | MOtheRus: don't be afraid, is a legit Debian kernel you don't have to do nothing much |
| 21:13.40 | thosa | mhall: i got it |
| 21:13.45 | thosa | mhall: might be the easier way |
| 21:13.51 | naetrick | What should I do? |
| 21:13.57 | mhall | thosa: yeah if you can |
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| 21:14.09 | mhall | thosa: because it will work more easily since it's supported by the vendor |
| 21:14.25 | mhall | thosa: there is some list you can google to find what you would need |
| 21:14.26 | Azar | MOtheRus: the new kernel will help you a great deal in the long run believe me |
| 21:14.43 | thosa | mhall: understand. but you dont know out of the top of your head a faq for acx100 ? |
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| 21:15.05 | BucWheat | what is my sysfs path in sarge? |
| 21:15.06 | naetrick | also getting this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/akC4WJ48.html |
| 21:15.26 | naetrick | Odd... and GNOME won't open any terminals now |
| 21:15.35 | Azar | MOtheRus: the 2.6.8 kernel contains more and better modules for your hardware drivers.. |
| 21:16.31 | MOtheRus | Azar : impossible to find kernel image 2.6..... |
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| 21:17.57 | Azar | MOtheRus: ... do you know how to edit /etc/apt/sources.list? you know how to use an editor? |
| 21:18.02 | pm_ | see, there is something strange in my local network, from the gateway i can ping www.gmail.com, but from the clients machines i can't, but i can ping all other sites from the clients. maybe something related to the ssl? in the gateway i have squid as transparent proxy and dnsmasq. |
| 21:18.08 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok done |
| 21:18.22 | Azar | MOtheRus: what is it done? |
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| 21:18.55 | MOtheRus | Azar: sources.list . now is doing with aptitude |
| 21:19.16 | mhall | thosa: there is a driver; it comes with docs |
| 21:19.19 | mhall | thosa: just google it |
| 21:19.26 | MOtheRus | Azar: seems to be ok |
| 21:19.32 | Azar | MOtheRus: I am sorry I do not understand what is ok? |
| 21:19.52 | MOtheRus | Azar: aptitude finished installing kernel-image-2.6 |
| 21:20.06 | Azar | MOtheRus: ok then, reboot |
| 21:20.08 | thosa | mhall: i googled already. maybe i just did find the wrong links |
| 21:20.25 | MOtheRus | Azar: omg...ok see u |
| 21:20.30 | thosa | mhall: maybe you have got one more keyword to search for ? |
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| 21:23.26 | pm_ | is normal my iptables -L dont have anything listed? |
| 21:23.38 | id10t | Hi all... Stupid problem: I ate my default apache vhost file, without a good backup. D'oh. Can someone send me a fresh one? /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 21:24.31 | MOtheRus | :) |
| 21:24.37 | Azar | MOtheRus: you survived the horror... |
| 21:24.45 | MOtheRus | Azar: LOL |
| 21:24.47 | BucWheat | can someone please help me get automount setup for many usb memsticks? |
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| 21:25.13 | MOtheRus | Azar: k but nvidia driver doesnt work anymore, so now i've "nv" driver |
| 21:25.31 | Azar | MOtheRus: it is ok |
| 21:25.42 | Azar | MOtheRus: do you have X installed? |
| 21:26.01 | MOtheRus | Azar: mm..Xorg ? and.. Kde 3.5 |
| 21:26.03 | Azar | MOtheRus: ls /etc/X11 see if you can see XF86Conf there |
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| 21:26.21 | Azar | MOtheRus: Xorg does not exist on a fresh Debian install |
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| 21:26.33 | Azar | ... Debian 3.1 I mean |
| 21:26.34 | MOtheRus | Azar: y i've installed it |
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| 21:26.41 | diesel | BucWheat: what desktop are you running? which version of debian? |
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| 21:26.56 | MOtheRus | Azar:i have xorg.conf |
| 21:27.01 | Azar | MOtheRus: thats an horror |
| 21:27.11 | MOtheRus | Azar: AH! |
| 21:27.24 | ronove | what was the "take screenshot from console" program called again? |
| 21:27.43 | BucWheat | diesel running twm and sarge |
| 21:27.45 | Azar | MOtheRus: for your information, xorg does not go ok with Sarge (Debian 3.1) unless you want it so bad you have to go with Debian testing version and you are on your own there |
| 21:28.06 | Azar | so you have an issue there |
| 21:28.23 | MOtheRus | azz... |
| 21:28.29 | BucWheat | diesel i have an application i'm programming that once the usb device is inserted the users will click a button in the app and it will send data to the usb stick then they can remove it after 2 secs |
| 21:28.36 | Azar | Debian 3.1 Sarge = stable goes ok with its own 2.6.8 kernel , xfree86 for X |
| 21:28.45 | id10t | bnoji: I seem to be unable to msg you? |
| 21:28.46 | MOtheRus | ok |
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| 21:29.21 | Azar | MOtheRus: this is a common error people telling you is ok to install xorg in Debian but "never tell you about having to use an unstable or testing version of it" |
| 21:29.41 | diesel | BucWheat: do you want your usb stick to automount on any machine or just your specific one that has twm on it |
| 21:29.45 | chealer | !tell ronove about screenshot |
| 21:29.49 | MOtheRus | y my friend tell me to install xorg |
| 21:30.00 | amphi | Azar: there is a sarge backport, which works well here |
| 21:30.06 | Azar | MOtheRus: because your friends don't know shit about Debian stable |
| 21:30.10 | BucWheat | diesel there are several (many) memory sticks that are being inserted into my machine so i need to come up with a solution for every case |
| 21:30.21 | BucWheat | diesel if any memory stick is inserted it will be automounted |
| 21:30.34 | Azar | amphi, if he is willing to learn backports and tweaks ok, I can't help him.. I do not know how |
| 21:30.59 | Azar | I only know to guide for stable configurations |
| 21:31.33 | Azar | MOtheRus: if you were afraid of a simple kernel upgrade you should be horrified at workarounds stable system |
| 21:31.34 | diesel | BucWheat: okay, if all you want to do is have the automount work on this particular box edit /etc/fstab. Are you familiar with fstab? |
| 21:31.52 | MOtheRus | ok so ...if i turn on 2.4 and try to install audio from there ? |
| 21:32.13 | Azar | MOtheRus: why would you go back to 2.4? |
| 21:32.26 | MOtheRus | because nvidia works |
| 21:32.27 | Azar | the 2.6 is an improvement |
| 21:32.44 | Azar | MOtheRus: I doubt your nvidia will work again with xorg in a stable Debian |
| 21:32.51 | BucWheat | yea |
| 21:32.56 | Azar | ok try this |
| 21:32.56 | Loof | How do you fake a package installation (i.e. if you install something manually yet don't want to break dependency checking) |
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| 21:33.04 | BucWheat | diesel yes i am familar with fstab |
| 21:33.17 | Azar | MOtheRus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and configure your "nv" module there |
| 21:33.18 | Seb | Loof: equivs |
| 21:33.33 | diesel | BucWheat: just edit /etc/fstab to auto mount the particular device |
| 21:33.42 | id10t | Hi all... Stupid problem: I ate my default apache vhost file, without a good backup. D'oh. Can someone send me a fresh one? /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 21:33.44 | MOtheRus | ok . i reboot |
| 21:33.50 | Azar | you do not need to |
| 21:34.01 | BucWheat | diesel in fstab if i set rw,user does that mean any user can mount and unmount the device correct? |
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| 21:34.02 | MOtheRus | ok so i do it |
| 21:34.03 | Azar | type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:34.15 | abrotman | !tell id10t about missconf |
| 21:34.21 | abrotman | !tell id10t about confmiss |
| 21:34.30 | debiankid | hello any help about this mess ? http://forums.cacti.net/viewtopic.php?p=56535#56535 |
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| 21:34.40 | bnoji | ignore id10t . I offered him the file already |
| 21:34.44 | bnoji | he just keeps posting that |
| 21:34.56 | diesel | BucWheat: correct |
| 21:35.16 | id10t | bnoji: You haven't sent the file yet. |
| 21:35.44 | TheReverant | what the correct name for the print key? |
| 21:35.51 | TheReverant | i mean, when i want to have the system execute script whe pressing the print key what is the key called? |
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| 21:36.09 | Seb | debiankid: what part of "ERROR: opening '/etc/httpd/htdocs/cacti/rra/localhost_hdd_free_15.rrd': No such file or directory" |
| 21:36.14 | Seb | do you not get ? |
| 21:36.14 | diesel | BucWheat: however, that line will not automount |
| 21:36.16 | debiankid | pls hlp me |
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| 21:36.24 | jbernard | has anyone seen "Sorry: TypeError: ('compile() expected string without null bytes',)" ? |
| 21:36.41 | debiankid | seb yes but the directory is there |
| 21:36.42 | jbernard | from apt |
| 21:36.44 | bkhl | Is something up with x-window-system-dev in etch right now? |
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| 21:36.53 | Seb | jbernard: can you be even more vague ? |
| 21:37.04 | Seb | debiankid: but obvisouly the file is not |
| 21:37.14 | debiankid | localhost_hdd_free_15.rrd' this file the rrdtool should create |
| 21:37.23 | Seb | debiankid: then maybe a permission pb |
| 21:37.26 | jbernard | Seb: apt-get upgrade gives me this error |
| 21:37.37 | debiankid | Seb i dont know why he does not |
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| 21:37.47 | Seb | jbernard: a particular package postinstall script ? |
| 21:37.52 | jbernard | Seb: any package |
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| 21:38.08 | MOtheRus | Azar: k i run dpkg |
| 21:38.13 | Seb | debiankid: strace it. Or read the doc for rrdtool, whatever the hell that is. |
| 21:38.18 | Seb | jbernard: checked the bts ? |
| 21:38.28 | jbernard | Seb: checking now |
| 21:38.40 | Aquatopia | I'm running debian stable on a server, but I need a package which is only available in unstable, can I somehow select that this single package should come from unstable and the rest from stable? |
| 21:38.49 | debiankid | its driveing me crazy :(( |
| 21:39.00 | tarzeau | Aquatopia: make a backport yourself |
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| 21:39.02 | stew | Aquatopia: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:39.03 | debiankid | Seb permissions ? |
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| 21:39.16 | Seb | debiankid: straced it yet ? Checked permissions ? Read the doc ? |
| 21:39.22 | Azar | MOtheRus: login as user and type startx |
| 21:39.46 | debiankid | Seb im going to do one mopre time i been 6 days trying to figure it out this |
| 21:39.53 | MOtheRus | Azar: y it started with nv driver |
| 21:40.08 | Azar | MOtheRus: so now X is working? |
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| 21:40.12 | diesel | !dpkg backports |
| 21:40.13 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:40.26 | Seb | debiankid: can you try what people tell you ? Or do you intend to keep on whining ? |
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| 21:40.45 | diesel | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:40.45 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 21:40.47 | MOtheRus | Azar: y X works ! but not with "nvidia" module |
| 21:41.04 | Matt-H | MOtheRus: possible you need to rebuild the module after a kernel upgrade |
| 21:41.13 | Seb | most definitely |
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| 21:41.29 | Azar | MOtheRus: well I am sorry I have no idea how xorg works, I use xfree86.. |
| 21:41.52 | nisc | there was some short command which would count lines .. |
| 21:41.55 | MOtheRus | Azar: so next install should i go for xfree ? |
| 21:42.01 | resiak | nisc: wc -l |
| 21:42.03 | nisc | tanks |
| 21:42.06 | nisc | *h |
| 21:42.07 | Matt-H | even if xfree86 was still being used, you'd probably need to rebuild the module after a kernel upgrade |
| 21:42.08 | debiankid | Sab ok i will |
| 21:42.08 | Azar | MOtheRus: I successfully run a Debian Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel and xfree86, I also use a nvidia card |
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| 21:42.29 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok , now i'm on notebook with a 6200Go |
| 21:42.50 | Azar | MOtheRus: if you intend to reinstall, just remember: first thing after install do the kernel upgrade. Stay with xfree86. Then come back for sound |
| 21:43.26 | MOtheRus | Azar: ther is a method for remove xorg and install xfree ? |
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| 21:43.43 | Matt-H | MOtheRus: or just install 2.6.8 straight off by typing "linux26" on the CD boot screen |
| 21:43.57 | Azar | MOtheRus: it might be but it might be time consuming and headache, I do not know how to do that |
| 21:44.06 | MOtheRus | ook |
| 21:44.16 | MOtheRus | so now i reinstall all |
| 21:44.28 | Azar | MOtheRus: you gain experience |
| 21:44.43 | MOtheRus | Azar: so , install ALL from stable ? |
| 21:44.54 | MOtheRus | Azar: i do Netinstall |
| 21:45.10 | Azar | MOtheRus: Id only do the base install, minimum then continue with apt online |
| 21:45.14 | Azar | ahh netinstall ok |
| 21:45.22 | MOtheRus | ok |
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| 21:45.34 | MOtheRus | bye! and Thx.. see u |
| 21:45.49 | Gnea | ok, it's new toy time |
| 21:46.19 | Azar | Gnea: we made ourselves a bad fame here |
| 21:46.34 | Azar | ..trolls... |
| 21:46.36 | Gnea | Azar: that can be remedied |
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| 21:47.34 | Gnea | Bus 002 Device 057: ID 040a:0580 Kodak Co. |
| 21:48.20 | Azar | Matt-H the install with linux26 is cool but some are using some ethernet cards that conflict with 2.6 at install.. that why I prefer the default.. |
| 21:48.43 | debiankid | Seb on crontab i mus write this or i have to fix some line there ? */5 * * * * cactiuser php /var/www/html/cacti/poller.php > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 21:48.47 | zinx | ethernet cards that 'conflict' with 2.6? o_O |
| 21:48.52 | Gnea | Azar: i've found that some ethernet cards simply don't work with the 2.4 kernel |
| 21:49.00 | Azar | zinx: the Realtek .. |
| 21:49.05 | zinx | which realtek? |
| 21:49.16 | zinx | the 8139 works great with 2.6, for instance |
| 21:49.21 | Loof | Perfect.. thanks equivs did the trick :) |
| 21:49.29 | Matt-H | Azar: one of my machines segfaults when trying to install on the 2.4, but fine on 2.6 |
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| 21:49.33 | Azar | zinx: I can't remember but it used to be a bug.. installing with 2.4 then upgrading did the trick |
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| 21:49.50 | zinx | Azar: I call BS :) |
| 21:49.52 | Azar | Matt-H: wow |
| 21:50.16 | Gnea | maybe i'm wrong, but i think what Azar is referring to is when the kernel detects the nics, it loads them in a random order, so you don't know which one is eth0 or eth1 - but then, that's what alt-f2 and dmesg are for :) |
| 21:50.25 | Azar | plus is a good experience and fear-killer to have a new user have his first kernel upgrade.. |
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| 21:50.44 | rever | Hi I am trying to unmount my cdrom drive but it states it is busy. I tried to use ps aux to see what was using it but could not find anything. What other commands could I try to find what is accessing my cdrom drive? |
| 21:50.51 | abrotman | fuser/lsof |
| 21:50.59 | Gnea | rever: lsof |
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| 21:51.25 | Gnea | rever: if your CWD is /media/cdrom or wherever it's mounted, then that counts as 'busy' |
| 21:51.56 | haakonn | does anyone happen to know of updated trac packages for sarge? http://ftp.edgewall.com/pub/debian/ isn't updated anymore |
| 21:52.07 | Azar | rever: did you typed "unmount" or "umount" ? |
| 21:52.07 | rever | Gnea, Yes it is mounted to /media/hda |
| 21:52.15 | rever | Azar, umount |
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| 21:52.53 | Azar | cdrom is shown for me as /dev/hdc |
| 21:53.14 | Matt-H | his CD drive will be primary master on the IDE bus |
| 21:53.16 | Azar | I mean /media/cdrom ---> /dev/hdc |
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| 21:53.35 | rever | Correct my HDD are sata. |
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| 21:53.51 | Gnea | rever: lsof | grep cdrom <-- anything? |
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| 21:56.58 | rever | Gnea, Nothing |
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| 21:58.00 | djp | is it right that debian allows mp3 playback by default? i have a default desktop install of stable here, and can happily playback mp3 files and avi movies. aren't both considered patent restricted and as such not liked as part of a gnu/linux system, or am i way off the mark here? |
| 21:58.01 | muhoo | why would i need /etc/init.d/xprint ? |
| 21:58.17 | muhoo | if i already have and use CUPS, which i do. |
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| 21:58.26 | muhoo | why would i need /etc/init.d/xprint ? |
| 21:58.28 | LSorensen | djp: I think mp3 decoding is ok, but encoding is patented |
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| 21:58.38 | LSorensen | djp: well in places where such things can even be patented |
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| 21:58.42 | Patrick_ | Ok, really weird problem. I just installed Debian 3.1 Stable... using ext3 filesystem. Booted fine. Was just compiling kernel, apt-getting KDE, when it stops doing it, no new apps will open, and when I reboot, I get a ton of ext3 filesystem errors |
| 21:58.44 | Gnea | rever: lsof | grep hda |
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| 21:58.53 | LSorensen | djp: avi is fairly open. just some of the codecs avi can use might not be |
| 21:59.10 | Patrick_ | Tried to mount in RIP Linux, won't happen. Grub gives "Error 17". E2fsck gives "zeroed out filesystem?" |
| 21:59.15 | Patrick_ | What should I do |
| 21:59.19 | Patrick_ | oops, dinner |
| 21:59.38 | Azar | Patrick_: do dinner first |
| 21:59.39 | Matt-H | hehe |
| 21:59.58 | rever | Gnea, Nothing and also tried /dev/hda /media/hda cdrom dvd /dev /media nothing shows up. |
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| 22:00.08 | [2am] | hi all |
| 22:00.28 | djp | LSorensen, thanks, so in the case of mp3 it is the encoding that is the problem but the actual playing back of an mp3 file is ok... think i have finally got it! ;) |
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| 22:01.01 | rever | Gnea, Well just gonna have to bite the bullet and reboot. Thanks for the help I did not even think of lsof. |
| 22:01.11 | Azar | rever paste in paster the copy of your /etc/fstab for them to see what you got |
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| 22:01.31 | Gnea | rever: you shouldn't have to - are you in X? |
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| 22:01.40 | rever | Gnea, Yeah I am in x |
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| 22:01.51 | Gnea | rever: do you have many xterms open? |
| 22:01.53 | ma3x | I have 50GB ext3 partition, and I have 2 GBytes free space, and I can't resize it with partition magic. Why? |
| 22:01.55 | ma3x | it does not allow me to |
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| 22:02.18 | Gnea | ma3x: are you trying to increase the size? |
| 22:02.22 | Azar | ma3x: does partition magic work in linux? |
| 22:02.25 | ma3x | Gnea: decrease |
| 22:02.30 | ma3x | Azar no but what does? |
| 22:02.32 | Gnea | ma3x: by how much? |
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| 22:02.38 | Matt-H | does partition magic even support ext3 anyway? |
| 22:02.44 | Gnea | ma3x: just 2gig? |
| 22:02.58 | Gnea | Matt-H: ext3 is just ext2 with a journal on top |
| 22:03.07 | rever | Gnea, I have 3 terminal open |
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| 22:03.13 | Matt-H | does partition magic even support ext2 either? |
| 22:03.16 | Gnea | rever: close them |
| 22:03.25 | Matt-H | I can't remember it doing |
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| 22:03.59 | Gnea | argh, the latest libgphoto2-2 isn't in sid yet |
| 22:04.10 | Matt-H | it's not a linux app so probable that it won't touch ext2/3 etc |
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| 22:04.50 | visik7 | tipically when I need an extra config in one package I modifiy the debian/rules script adding something to the ./configure command but in packages such as libidn how can I do there is no ./configure statement in debian/rules script someone can help me ? |
| 22:04.58 | LSorensen | djp: well the patents on mp3 are very contested and have never actually gone to a court case. |
| 22:05.14 | rever | Gnea, I closed everything but xchat |
| 22:05.16 | LSorensen | djp: and most of the world sensibly doens't permit software patents in the first place. |
| 22:05.19 | Gnea | now i'll have to go buy an sd card :/ |
| 22:05.37 | Gnea | rever: ok, now open a new xterm and try to unmount it |
| 22:05.56 | Gnea | rever: hrm, do you have any filebrowsers open to view the contents of the cdrom? |
| 22:06.10 | Azar | LSorensen: I noticed you keep busy, read your latest howtos |
| 22:06.21 | dondelelcaro | visik7: set DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS or similar; see /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk; for details |
| 22:06.22 | rever | Gnea, Still busy and nothing is open but Xchat still |
| 22:06.32 | LSorensen | Azar: Yeah. Too busy. So many things I would like to do that i don't have time for. |
| 22:06.35 | Gnea | rever: no worries on xchat |
| 22:06.41 | visik7 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:06.48 | Gnea | rever: what happens if you press the eject button? |
| 22:06.50 | LSorensen | Azar: If I ever win like $1000000 in a lottery, I will become so much more useful. :) |
| 22:06.55 | Patrick_ | Anyone |
| 22:06.57 | rever | Gnea, NOthing |
| 22:07.02 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 22:07.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:07.10 | LSorensen | Azar: or maybe I should put a paypal tip button on my web page |
| 22:07.12 | Azar | LSorensen: Id pay for an authographed HOWTO |
| 22:07.40 | LSorensen | Azar: an autographed howto? |
| 22:07.53 | Azar | Patrick_: did you finished dinner? |
| 22:07.56 | Gnea | rever: lsof | grep media |
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| 22:08.10 | Azar | LSorensen: :) I am a really an avid reader of your writings |
| 22:08.14 | visik7 | and onther thing |
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| 22:08.25 | Gnea | Azar: you llama :) |
| 22:08.38 | rever | Gnea, Found it one of my gdesklets was holding it up. Closed gdesklet and umounted |
| 22:08.42 | LSorensen | Azar: hmm. I haven't written that much yet. Well unless you count mailing lists :) |
| 22:08.50 | Gnea | rever: nice |
| 22:09.07 | Gnea | rever: see, forget rebooting ;) |
| 22:09.07 | visik7 | when I recompile a program that is the same version on repository apt want to update it to the repository how can I set Preferences to give installed packages more Pin-Priority ??? |
| 22:09.07 | Azar | Gnea: sorry I could not help myself: when I see LSorensen I feel like a fan in the crowd at the Oscar awards |
| 22:09.10 | LSorensen | Azar: so which nvidia card do you have? |
| 22:09.26 | rever | Gnea, Not sure what it was doing but fixed it |
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| 22:09.40 | Azar | LSorensen: the classic GeForce MX 4000 also the other box has the FX 5200 |
| 22:09.40 | Gnea | Azar: should take you down and get the clippers out to cut your fur off soon ;) |
| 22:10.06 | tonix | hi guys, my snort is logging in /var/log/snort/alert all the alert event, and this is right for me, it is what i need.... but i don't know why snort create directories named with the ip of the host logged... How can i stop this? thanks |
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| 22:10.08 | LSorensen | Azar: I just put a 6600GT OC in my athlon 700. It might be a bit overkill, but neverwinter nights runs so nice now... :) |
| 22:10.08 | Nomad411 | Hi all, I run Kubuntu right now but would love to test straight Debian. I can't seem to find a DVD ISO, exceot torrents which are choked by my ISP. Is there an ISO DVD to download somewhere? |
| 22:10.19 | LSorensen | Azar: my TNT2 was dying |
| 22:10.32 | LSorensen | Nomad411: there is jigdo |
| 22:10.36 | Tortel | whats the cammand to kill a process using a PID? |
| 22:10.42 | Nomad411 | !jigdo |
| 22:10.42 | dpkg | methinks jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 22:10.43 | LSorensen | Nomad411: and netinstall (prefered) |
| 22:10.45 | bbrazil | Nomad411: just download the netinstall cd |
| 22:10.48 | Azar | LSorensen: wow, nice nice.. thanks to your guides I made it through my first hurdles |
| 22:11.02 | LSorensen | Azar: I keep meaning to write a howto on alsa sound setup |
| 22:11.07 | Gnea | hrm, i need to locate libgphoto2-2 2.1.99 .deb |
| 22:11.09 | streuner | Tortel: kill? |
| 22:11.10 | Nomad411 | If I want to install it in a qemu virtual image first, would a net install work? |
| 22:11.16 | Nomad411 | or take forever i wonder.. |
| 22:11.20 | Tortel | streuner: kill/end |
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| 22:11.33 | Azar | LSorensen: yes indeed I have done it several times but is so intricated I never remember exactly and correctly how |
| 22:11.34 | Tortel | a process is eating my CPU away |
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| 22:11.37 | streuner | Tortel: ,ykill |
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| 22:11.43 | streuner | Tortel: man kill |
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| 22:12.01 | LSorensen | Azar: to me setting up alsa is about as trivial as nvidia drivers. Hence why I should probably document it so others know how trivial it is. |
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| 22:12.19 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:12.19 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 22:12.21 | EvertC | Q: How can i configure postfix to use maildir instead (im using APT) |
| 22:12.41 | LSorensen | stew: hmm, personally I am highly against alsaconf. :) |
| 22:12.48 | LSorensen | stew: maybe it has gotten better |
| 22:12.50 | Hydrogenum | anyone know the apt/dpkg equivalent of rpm --last (show all packages sorted by install time)? |
| 22:13.02 | Nomad411 | will try jigdo. :) |
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| 22:13.05 | LSorensen | Hydrogenum: thre is no such thing |
| 22:13.13 | LSorensen | Hydrogenum: testing/sid has a dpkg log file though |
| 22:13.18 | Hydrogenum | LSorensen: ok :( |
| 22:13.23 | Gnea | LSorensen: alsaconf has worked great for well over a year now |
| 22:13.24 | LSorensen | Nomad411: the netinstall is generally a better choice |
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| 22:13.28 | Hydrogenum | oh, hmmm, I'll look for logs |
| 22:13.34 | LSorensen | Gnea: well I used it back when it was version 0.3 and 0.4 and such |
| 22:13.39 | Azar | LSorensen: with sound it takes more besides alsa: from connecting the cable correctly and adding the user to the audio group... to adjusting the volumes with alsamixer, to replacing the oss ritual... to finally configure the player in using alsa instead of the default oss. and ofcourse plugins for types of files played |
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| 22:13.50 | Gnea | LSorensen: oh yeah, those were the horrid days - try it now, it's come a LONG way |
| 22:14.05 | LSorensen | Azar: yes that is true. the nvidia drivers take adding the user to the video group too. |
| 22:14.23 | LSorensen | Gnea: but all I do is: echo snd-emu10k1 >> /etc/modules, then unmute channels |
| 22:14.37 | Azar | LSorensen: many people coming here for help might have done the right settings but allways there is something , a small detail forgotten |
| 22:14.42 | Gnea | LSorensen: do you use udev and/or hotplug? |
| 22:14.58 | LSorensen | Gnea: starting to. I had some bad luck with those a few years ago |
| 22:15.06 | LSorensen | Gnea: they seem to have gotten better |
| 22:15.31 | LSorensen | Gnea: I am a big fan of deterministic bootups. udev seems to cause the oposit |
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| 22:15.48 | Gnea | LSorensen: yeah, i don't bother with /etc/modules on workstations unless i absolutely HAVE to - udev has everything streamlined - and you can still pass module parameters through /etc/modprobe.d/ now |
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| 22:16.12 | Gnea | LSorensen: good point - but i like the idea of device nodes being created and destroyed on-the-fly |
| 22:16.14 | LSorensen | Gnea: I just know my hardware, which drivers it needs and what order I want those drivers loaded in |
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| 22:16.32 | Azar | LSorensen: I am trying to pin the directories where particular devices can be configured or looked for like for example directories of interest regarding connection configurations.. /etc/network/interfaces and /resolv/conf |
| 22:16.35 | LSorensen | Gnea: true the /dev stuff woudl be nice. I played with devfs some years ago, and eventaulyl decided it wasn't compatible enough at the time. |
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| 22:16.51 | Gnea | LSorensen: yeah but what if you lost all your hardware in a fire and had to start all over from scratch? how much time would you need to spend getting used to it all again? |
| 22:17.02 | redguy | I'm using evms on sarge. I've gotten this new drive couple of days ago, and I want to backup some files. During the backup I got http://pastebin.com/543981 . Note that the drive is connected via a 40-pin IDE cable. Could this be the cause problem? |
| 22:17.06 | LSorensen | Gnea: not very long at all. I know what I would buy |
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| 22:17.26 | redguy | erm, s/cause/cause of/ |
| 22:17.33 | Gnea | LSorensen: heh ok |
| 22:17.40 | EvertC | Does anyone know here how to use Maildir format instead of mbox for postfix (and make it store the dirs in /var/mail) |
| 22:17.51 | LSorensen | Gnea: it would be a 64bit machine of course, so that would be a nice upgrade. :) |
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| 22:18.01 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 22:18.09 | De_Mon | EvertC you want to store -non-inbox mail in /var/mail? |
| 22:18.14 | LSorensen | EvertC: hmm, usually people use ~/Maildir when doing that |
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| 22:18.27 | hikenboot | is debian the best open source OS if i want to run GFS HA linux and ISCSI and 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:18.34 | LSorensen | hikenboot: no clue |
| 22:18.34 | thingfish | redguy: could be. Try replacing it with an 80 pin cable. |
| 22:18.42 | Gnea | EvertC: what are you using maildir with? |
| 22:18.50 | De_Mon | hikenboot if you were expecting a 'no' you're in the wrong channel |
| 22:18.51 | LSorensen | hikenboot: no idea if iscsi and GFS are even supported yet |
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| 22:19.15 | MOtheRus | Azar: ^^ |
| 22:19.17 | hikenboot | I just wanted to save the effort of installing them if they wernt supported |
| 22:19.19 | EvertC | i want to use it with courier-imap |
| 22:19.19 | redguy | EvertC: come on, http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#maildir |
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| 22:19.21 | Gnea | hikenboot: if you want guaranteed paid support for it, then no |
| 22:19.32 | LSorensen | redguy: what size disk and what ide controller? |
| 22:19.40 | MrObvious | Would anyone know how to change the default window manager to another one? |
| 22:19.58 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok reinstalled All, xfree, nvidia ,works , but audio still no works |
| 22:20.08 | EvertC | thanks redguy, i honestly tried looking for it |
| 22:20.11 | LSorensen | MrObvious: well update-alternatives --config x-window-manager might do it. |
| 22:20.21 | hikenboot | I am trying to figure out if i should invest in 3 nodes of Redhat Advance server for learning or if debian will do or some other |
| 22:20.26 | thingfish | No hard drive manufactured within the recent past is going to work with a 40-pin cable. |
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| 22:20.38 | LSorensen | thingfish: it will if the controller only does udma33 or less |
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| 22:20.56 | LSorensen | thingfish: no udma66+ controller will work with a udma66+ drive on a 40pin cable |
| 22:20.58 | De_Mon | MOtheRus did you alsamixer the volume up from 0? |
| 22:20.58 | thingfish | LSorensen: but that would be with legacy hardware, no? |
| 22:21.06 | thingfish | right |
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| 22:21.18 | scoates | is there a way to tell apt that I've already got "apache" installed (I installed from source) ... to satisfy dependencies? |
| 22:21.18 | LSorensen | thingfish: basically unless the speed is forced down to udma33 it won't work. |
| 22:21.44 | LSorensen | scoates: look for equivs |
| 22:22.01 | LSorensen | scoates: although I would have made a new .deb for apache instead. I am a perfectionist though |
| 22:22.04 | MOtheRus | De_Mon: no..i don't have alsamixer...should i install it ? |
| 22:22.19 | LSorensen | MOtheRus: alsa-utils are essential to using alsa drivers properly |
| 22:22.28 | MOtheRus | LSorensen: ok |
| 22:22.33 | scoates | LSorensen: equivs? I'd like to read, but that's quite vague. |
| 22:22.47 | scoates | ah.. package equivs |
| 22:22.48 | scoates | thanks |
| 22:22.56 | LSorensen | scoates: apt-cache show equivs. it is a package for making fake packages to pretend to be real packages |
| 22:23.08 | redguy | LSorensen: hrm, the disk is a Segate 160 GB, the controller is a PIIX4 |
| 22:23.12 | MOtheRus | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 22:23.20 | LSorensen | redguy: hmm, I don't remember what the piix4 could do. |
| 22:23.27 | scoates | I see; thanks LSorensen |
| 22:23.28 | LSorensen | redguy: it never hurts to use an 80pin no matter what |
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| 22:25.27 | redguy | LSorensen: well, this is a distant box, so I can do it tomorrow. I think I will try setting the ide bus to lower speed now, and see if that helps |
| 22:25.31 | madclicker | is there a solution like "front page" for apache, so regular users can edit their websites? |
| 22:25.39 | LSorensen | redguy: hdparm should be able to do that yes |
| 22:26.05 | MrObvious | LSorensen: That didn't work. |
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| 22:26.32 | LSorensen | MrObvious: hmm. |
| 22:26.58 | MrObvious | See it always defaults to gnome. |
| 22:27.07 | MrObvious | Eww *shudder* |
| 22:27.09 | scoates | LSorensen: it even comes with a webserver.ctl -- thanks very much! |
| 22:27.12 | LSorensen | MrObvious: could check the alternatives settings on x-session-manager |
| 22:27.21 | MrObvious | How? |
| 22:27.48 | Patrick_ | Anyone have some answers for this question? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=412738 |
| 22:27.54 | LSorensen | MrObvious: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 22:28.07 | thingfish | there's also an option to change desktops at the login screen. |
| 22:28.22 | LSorensen | MrObvious: or many display managers let you select one when logging in (except xdm). |
| 22:28.35 | LSorensen | MrObvious: or you make a .xsession file to start the one you want |
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| 22:28.49 | MrObvious | I'm using a CLI startx. |
| 22:28.56 | thingfish | ah |
| 22:29.40 | Azar | MOtheRus: you have alsa installed? |
| 22:29.52 | Gnea | okay, i got the experimental lines setup but i can't get the package to install |
| 22:30.30 | Gnea | it keeps trying to use the one from sid |
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| 22:30.46 | MrObvious | LSorensen: Do I just put in that .xsession exec (window manager path) |
| 22:31.44 | MOtheRus | Azar: yes |
| 22:31.47 | mage__ | I have a strange problem |
| 22:31.47 | Gnea | LSorensen: is there some sort of option to apt-get to make it use experimental packages over the regular? |
| 22:31.59 | mage__ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NBoq0288.html |
| 22:32.07 | mage__ | any idea how I could remove this package ? |
| 22:32.22 | Azar | so MOtheRus you also got the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 22:32.32 | MOtheRus | Azar : y^^ |
| 22:32.39 | Gnea | mage__: what does apt-get remove storcon do? |
| 22:32.45 | Azar | MOtheRus: it is ok if you do not want it ok |
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| 22:32.57 | ma3x | how do I resize partition in debian? |
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| 22:33.04 | MOtheRus | Azar: no no , it's ok 2.6 works |
| 22:33.05 | mage__ | Gnea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HVKgAB95.html |
| 22:33.13 | Azar | MOtheRus: I only told you about kernel upgrade because is a benefit |
| 22:33.19 | ethics | ma3x parted /gparted for a gui is easiest |
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| 22:33.25 | mage__ | (I haven't the archive anymore) |
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| 22:33.28 | MOtheRus | Azar: thx |
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| 22:33.34 | Gnea | mage__: what is storcon? |
| 22:33.39 | Gnea | !info storcon |
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| 22:33.43 | ma3x | ethicsi I don't think with qtparted you can resize a partition |
| 22:33.46 | Gnea | [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Package 'storcon' does not exist. |
| 22:33.48 | lexande | hey |
| 22:33.50 | mage__ | it's a package from intel.com |
| 22:33.51 | redguy | hdb: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, UDMA(33) <----- this signifies that 33 MHz IDE bus is used, no? |
| 22:33.59 | mage__ | (which is broken ..) |
| 22:34.04 | Gnea | mage__: what url did you get it from? |
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| 22:34.09 | lexande | how does one set up 5.1/surround audio on linux with alsa? |
| 22:34.13 | mage__ | http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&ProductID=516&DwnldID=7497&strOSs=39&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng |
| 22:34.15 | MOtheRus | Azar: but audio still doesn't work :( |
| 22:34.18 | Gnea | lexande: alsamixer |
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| 22:34.40 | Azar | MOtheRus: tell me what sound device you are using? |
| 22:34.45 | lexande | have all channels in alsamixer at max, still no audio from the extra speakers |
| 22:34.46 | kjs3 | Has anyone seen a lockup between ide-generic & pdc202xx_new on a serverworks board on debian 3.1r1a install? If I autodetect, it locks solid (reset required) on modprobe ide-generic; if I manually modprobe ide-generic first, it hard locks on pdc202xx_new. |
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| 22:34.58 | Gnea | mage__: that's a zip file, not a .deb |
| 22:34.59 | Azar | MOtheRus: lspci and look for Multimedia audio controller |
| 22:35.09 | mage__ | Gnea: there is a .deb in the zip file |
| 22:35.23 | Gnea | mage__: i see... hold on |
| 22:35.24 | MOtheRus | Azar: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 22:35.57 | mage__ | I can't do anything ... every apt-get ... dpkg ... command fail |
| 22:36.02 | Gnea | mage__: did you install both the storcon and srcd? |
| 22:36.11 | Azar | MOtheRus: ok one moment I am looking for it |
| 22:36.12 | mage__ | no, only storcon |
| 22:36.24 | MOtheRus | Azar: thx a lot |
| 22:36.27 | Gnea | try installing srcd |
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| 22:38.10 | Azar | MOtheRus: it requires requires snd-azx alsa driver |
| 22:38.12 | Gnea | mage__: damnit, now it broke mine too |
| 22:38.19 | Gnea | gah, stupid intel |
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| 22:38.33 | Gnea | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error |
| 22:38.35 | lexande | hello? |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | bah .. stupid gnea |
| 22:38.36 | mage__ | Gnea: :O |
| 22:38.42 | Gnea | mage__: you getting that error too? |
| 22:38.46 | ethics | ma3x parted can resize ext qt cant.....the start must be the same but can shrink and grow the end |
| 22:38.46 | mage__ | yes |
| 22:38.49 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok i install it |
| 22:38.51 | mage__ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8K0Sft38.html |
| 22:38.52 | Azar | MOtheRus: wait |
| 22:38.54 | Gnea | abrotman: no way man, stupid intel. try it. |
| 22:38.58 | MOtheRus | k |
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| 22:39.08 | mage__ | Gnea: we're in the same boat now :) |
| 22:39.09 | ethics | ma3x from what i see in the homepage |
| 22:39.10 | Azar | MOtheRus: type less /etc/modules and see if you can see it there |
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| 22:39.18 | abrotman | Gnea: i have no spinal interface for such things! |
| 22:39.29 | MrObvious | Who here uses E17? |
| 22:39.31 | mage__ | if you found a solution ... -> query please |
| 22:39.34 | Gnea | even if i --force-all it still doesn't work |
| 22:39.36 | Gnea | MrObvious: i do |
| 22:39.47 | MrObvious | Gnea: What do I apt-get to get it? |
| 22:39.54 | Gnea | mage__: screw that, keep it public, i need to know too now |
| 22:40.02 | Gnea | !dr17 |
| 22:40.02 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 22:40.13 | Azar | MOtheRus: read this: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~rheise/LW60/ |
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| 22:40.21 | Gnea | MrObvious: just open that in a browser, the names are there |
| 22:40.26 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok ...now i read |
| 22:40.35 | MOtheRus | Azar : i see only 4 entries |
| 22:40.40 | MOtheRus | Azar: ide-cd |
| 22:40.41 | MOtheRus | ide-disk |
| 22:40.41 | MOtheRus | ide-generic |
| 22:40.41 | MOtheRus | psmouse |
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| 22:41.08 | mage__ | Gnea: i think I found it .. |
| 22:41.21 | mage__ | bebif:/var/lib/apt# find /var -name '*.postrm'|grep -i 'storcon' |
| 22:41.22 | mage__ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/storcon.postrm |
| 22:41.22 | mage__ | bebif:/var/lib/apt# cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/storcon.postrm |
| 22:41.22 | mage__ | echo |
| 22:41.22 | mage__ | bebif:/var/lib/apt# |
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| 22:41.30 | mage__ | sorry.. |
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| 22:41.46 | mage__ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/r3m9XX94.html |
| 22:41.46 | ma3x | help |
| 22:41.48 | ma3x | wanna resize with parted |
| 22:41.48 | MOtheRus | Azar: sry |
| 22:41.50 | ma3x | but dunno how |
| 22:41.52 | MrObvious | Gnea: I got that site added to my sources list file for apt-get. |
| 22:41.52 | ma3x | it says /dev/sda no such ......... |
| 22:41.56 | ma3x | i tried /dev/sda1 and it doesnt work either |
| 22:41.58 | ma3x | what should i do? |
| 22:42.17 | BucWheat | any opera web browser users in chan? |
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| 22:42.36 | BucWheat | i have installed opera on sarge and when i do fullscreen it does not take up full screen |
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| 22:42.50 | BucWheat | my res is 1024x768 |
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| 22:43.22 | ma3x | hello |
| 22:43.23 | Matt-H | BucWheat: works fine here - although I'm on etch. |
| 22:43.26 | ma3x | please help me with 'parted' |
| 22:43.30 | MrObvious | Nevermind, found it. |
| 22:43.49 | ma3x | (parted) check 1 |
| 22:43.49 | ma3x | No Implementation: This ext2 file system has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet). |
| 22:44.08 | Linux_inside_v2 | hey guys, is there a known problem browsing smb shares on testing using konqueror? i get file not found and i have made sure lisa is running and that kio is installed |
| 22:44.25 | ma3x | how can I convert ext3 to ext2 again? |
| 22:44.30 | setog3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.42 | Gnea | ma3x: no need |
| 22:44.45 | BucWheat | Matt-H try it with kioskmode i want it to go fullscreen at boot and limit functionality so i'm using kioskmode |
| 22:45.03 | Azar | MOtheRus: are you sure you got alsa installed? |
| 22:45.14 | Gnea | ma3x: it is already ext2 - just remove the journal |
| 22:45.29 | ma3x | Gnea, how do I remove the journal? |
| 22:45.32 | Azar | Gnea, should I tell MOtheRus to do an alsa one-liner? |
| 22:45.34 | ma3x | tune2fs and then what option? |
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| 22:46.01 | MOtheRus | Azar: i think yes.i typed alsaconf and conf started |
| 22:46.05 | Gnea | Azar: that should do it |
| 22:46.12 | Azar | ok |
| 22:46.14 | Gnea | ma3x: man tune2fs |
| 22:46.17 | Gnea | ma3x: it tells you how |
| 22:46.18 | Matt-H | BucWheat: what's the command line argument for kiosk? |
| 22:46.36 | Matt-H | BucWheat: ah it's -k |
| 22:46.45 | MOtheRus | Azar: now i've installed alsa-source but where can i find this sources ? |
| 22:46.47 | Matt-H | BucWheat: I get full screen with the File/Edit etc menu at the top |
| 22:47.07 | Azar | MOtheRus: there is a volume tool with alsa, called alsamixer type it and unmute the channels. When finished type alsactl store to save your settings in it |
| 22:47.30 | MOtheRus | Azar: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 22:47.44 | BucWheat | Matt-H i believe i just fixed it |
| 22:47.58 | Nwallins | what package includes the 'gems' binary for ruby? |
| 22:48.00 | BucWheat | there is a section in opera6.ini that has Window info and it was set at 1020,746 |
| 22:48.07 | Matt-H | ah fun |
| 22:48.13 | TheReverant | cy@ll |
| 22:48.15 | BucWheat | Matt-H i changed it to 1024,768 and BAM! it takes up full screen now |
| 22:48.33 | Matt-H | BucWheat: good-o :-) |
| 22:48.38 | Azar | ok I have no idea this is so freaking crazy MOtheRus you need 3 packages: alsa base alsautils and alsaconf I have no idea which one is missing |
| 22:48.40 | BucWheat | :-D |
| 22:49.01 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok i try install all 3 packages |
| 22:49.04 | Nwallins | i am trying to use ActiveRecord in my ruby scripts, but you are supposed to add this functionality using `gems`, but the ruby package doesn't include it and I can't find it elsewhere |
| 22:49.07 | Azar | MOtheRus: myself I did alsa one-liner and I got them all I do not know what you got |
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| 22:49.30 | Azar | MOtheRus: type here /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 22:49.39 | ma3x | Gnea, come on tell me dued+ |
| 22:49.49 | Azar | see if you started installing some alsa I have no idea which I do not know what to tell you |
| 22:49.55 | ma3x | Gnea, dont bother me with the man page, I already tried reading it, just tell me how! |
| 22:50.24 | mage__ | Gnea: I found the solution |
| 22:50.54 | mage__ | the /var/lib/dpkg/info/storcon.* are broken |
| 22:51.05 | mage__ | the forgot the #!/bin/sh |
| 22:51.08 | Nwallins | You have searched for gems in testing, architecture i386. Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. anybody? |
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| 22:51.23 | mage__ | then I did a dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq storcon |
| 22:51.58 | MOtheRus | Azar: y...Alsaconf start search for the soundcard... |
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| 22:52.05 | Gnea | mage__: oh cool |
| 22:52.12 | MOtheRus | Azar: but it can't find it |
| 22:52.13 | Azar | MOtheRus: basic is you need the alsa packages, then perform alsamixer, unmute the channels, save the settings, then add your user to audio group: as root(or su) adduser "yournick" audio -- then have a player installed , configure the player to use alsa, download a demo sound file and test it |
| 22:52.36 | Gnea | ma3x: i have little patience for people who can't help themselves. |
| 22:52.41 | Azar | ok holdon |
| 22:52.56 | MOtheRus | Azar: understood , the user is already in the audio group |
| 22:52.57 | ma3x | Gnea, come on dude! I 've read the manual, it only says how to ADD the journal -j, but how the hell do I remove it? |
| 22:53.13 | MOtheRus | Azar: the packages are already installed , alsaconf works |
| 22:53.16 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg ext3->ext2 |
| 22:53.25 | ma3x | stew, thanks a lot mate! |
| 22:53.29 | MOtheRus | Azar: i 've executed apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
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| 22:54.01 | MOtheRus | Azar: now alsamixer tell me : alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 22:54.51 | Nwallins | which package must i install to get ActiveRecord for ruby? |
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| 22:55.10 | Azar | how do we find what version of ALSA we have? |
| 22:55.34 | Fluten | i have a wireless card in each of my machines. i configured each the same way i would configure a wired ethernet card. the machines can't ping eachother. is there something i'm missing? |
| 22:55.36 | Azar | Gnea..? |
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| 22:56.03 | Nwallins | Fluten: an access point? ;) |
| 22:56.12 | Azar | ok n/m version |
| 22:56.22 | Jaune | hi, i've got some tcpdump log files here.. what can i do with them? if i do a cat, i only see phreaky chars |
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| 22:56.31 | Fluten | Nwallins, can't it be done without one? |
| 22:56.36 | ma3x | stew, why I can't resize the partition? (parted) check 1 |
| 22:56.37 | ma3x | No Implementation: This ext2 file system has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet). |
| 22:56.58 | Nwallins | Fluten: i dunno. are you trying to mimic a peer-to-peer connection like with a crossover cable? |
| 22:57.06 | Fluten | Nwallins, yes |
| 22:57.07 | stew | ma3x: dunno, i've never tried |
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| 22:57.29 | Fluten | Nwallins, i am trying to set up a simple test connection before i configure one of the machines to be an access point. |
| 22:57.33 | Nwallins | Fluten: i'm not sure. i would think so. my first comment was intended to be a joke, sorry |
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| 22:58.12 | Fluten | Nwallins, maybe ill take a trip to the local mall first and switch the card into rfmon mode to make sure it's working |
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| 22:58.54 | Wil0000 | hey! |
| 22:58.59 | Azar | MOtheRus: please chose your manufacturer from the list here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ |
| 22:59.01 | abrotman | Ho! |
| 22:59.02 | Wil0000 | i need some ndiswrapper help? |
| 22:59.02 | lexande | alsamixer keeps losing my settings every time i run it, what might cause that? |
| 22:59.05 | Nwallins | does anyone know how the debian package system expects someone to install ActiveRecord for ruby? |
| 22:59.14 | abrotman | Nwallins: jackhammer |
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| 22:59.23 | Nwallins | i'm almost at that point |
| 22:59.39 | abrotman | i heard there's a song |
| 22:59.48 | Azar | lexande: you have to save the settings with alsactl store |
| 22:59.51 | MOtheRus | Azar: Asus ....but there isn't here |
| 22:59.54 | Nwallins | abrotman: i don't see any way to get `gems`, which is how the ruby folk want me to do it |
| 23:00.00 | abrotman | wtf is gems ? |
| 23:00.01 | Wil0000 | my dlink dql 610 woreless pc card wont show as wlan0 once ive used ndiswrapper... anyone know why? |
| 23:00.02 | abrotman | !find gems sid |
| 23:00.03 | Azar | MOtheRus: I mean your sound device manufacturer |
| 23:00.05 | dpkg | gems: (Shows a console session in several terminals), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 23:00.09 | MOtheRus | Lol |
| 23:00.09 | lexande | Azar: when? at reboot or what? |
| 23:00.10 | abrotman | Nwallins: yay! |
| 23:00.13 | abrotman | !find gems sarge |
| 23:00.14 | Azar | MOtheRus: it has to have a name |
| 23:00.14 | Nwallins | abrotman: that's not it |
| 23:00.16 | dpkg | gems: (Shows a console session in several terminals), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 23:00.20 | abrotman | i found it again! |
| 23:00.22 | Wil0000 | what do you mean? |
| 23:00.23 | Azar | lexande: after you edit your alsamixer settings |
| 23:00.28 | abrotman | ok .. /me needs to remember that |
| 23:00.28 | Nwallins | abrotman: same name, apparently |
| 23:00.38 | abrotman | Nwallins: library or binary? |
| 23:00.45 | Wil0000 | someone help me please configuring my dlink 610 wireless card |
| 23:00.48 | Nwallins | binary.. for adding modules to ruby, like cpan |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | !find bin/gems sarge |
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| 23:01.13 | MOtheRus | Azar : ok intel |
| 23:01.16 | abrotman | or quit |
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| 23:01.23 | lexande | Azar: just tried, ran alsamixer, set settings, ran sudo alsactl store, ran alsamixer again, settings gone |
| 23:01.28 | Azar | MOtheRus: if you read the link earlier it said: You will need to download the alsa-source debian package and follow the compile/install instructions. |
| 23:01.36 | os360 | l\ |
| 23:01.43 | lexande | Azar: everything just bounces back to 0 |
| 23:01.48 | Azar | MOtheRus: you installed alsa-source, follow now the compile/install instructions |
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| 23:02.00 | Azar | lexande: oh surprise surprise |
| 23:02.11 | lexande | ? |
| 23:02.15 | Nwallins | abrotman: wait, the binary may be named `gem` |
| 23:02.16 | Azar | mine does not bounce to 0 |
| 23:02.19 | Azar | so is a mistery |
| 23:02.25 | MOtheRus | Azar: ok! i asked you if you know where i can find these alsa-source |
| 23:02.31 | abrotman | Nwallins: that helps |
| 23:02.34 | abrotman | !find bin/gem sarge |
| 23:02.35 | lexande | Azar: mine doesn't on other machines either |
| 23:02.35 | MOtheRus | Azar: what directory ? |
| 23:02.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gem' (3): (/usr/bin/gemcal) in misc/mhc-utils ;; (/usr/bin/{gems-client|gems-server}) in misc/gems ;; (/usr/bin/{gemtopbm|gemtopnm}) in graphics/netpbm. |
| 23:02.39 | Matt-H | MOtheRus: /usr/src somewhere IIRC |
| 23:02.39 | Azar | MOtheRus: apt-install alsa-source |
| 23:02.40 | lexande | Azar: what might be wrong here? |
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| 23:02.47 | Azar | lexande: I have no idea |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | Nwallins: well .. i give up then |
| 23:02.48 | MOtheRus | Azar:k |
| 23:02.49 | ethics | MOtheRus /usr/src its a zipped file |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | Nwallins: moment |
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| 23:03.32 | Nwallins | abrotman: doh. i have it |
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| 23:03.40 | abrotman | Nwallins: you bastard! |
| 23:03.42 | Nwallins | abrotman: cool, that should help |
| 23:03.47 | Nwallins | abrotman: :( |
| 23:03.55 | abrotman | Nwallins: you will forever be marked! |
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| 23:03.57 | Wil0000 | can someone help me with installing my dlink wireless card? |
| 23:04.02 | Nwallins | i thought it was named 'gems' :o |
| 23:04.08 | Wil0000 | ndiswrapper wont work! |
| 23:04.18 | abrotman | Wil0000: dmesg! |
| 23:04.19 | Gnea | Wil0000: what dlink wireless card? |
| 23:04.24 | Wil0000 | 610 |
| 23:04.27 | Wil0000 | pc card |
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| 23:04.35 | Wil0000 | yea, dmesg doesent register it |
| 23:04.35 | os360 | didn't find the 2.6 kernel on the etch netinstall CD.. is this a known issue..? |
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| 23:05.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gems' (1): (/usr/bin/{gems-client|gems-server}) in misc/gems. |
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| 23:05.35 | ethics | os360 linux26 on the installer gives you one so its in the net installer.... |
| 23:05.44 | Azar | MOtheRus: your issue is particular since you have a sound driver that needs compiled... |
| 23:05.45 | Wil0000 | i install the inf file, create mod file, modprobe it, then it doesent show in dmesg |
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| 23:05.54 | abrotman | os360: for which architecture ? |
| 23:05.58 | ethics | os360 they also changed naming to linux-kernel i think |
| 23:06.07 | Gnea | Wil0000: did you install inf file, then plug it back in? or did you install it while plugged in? |
| 23:06.20 | Wil0000 | installed it while plugged in |
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| 23:06.49 | os360 | sorry i386 |
| 23:06.57 | abrotman | os360: i thought it was the default |
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| 23:07.24 | jaro | hi there. Do anyone know about something like watchdog? I mean something which monitors and logs all persistent actions (files created/modified) taken by a certain program/process? Something like checkinstall on processes instead of Makefiles :) |
| 23:07.26 | os360 | yes.. on the initial screen it only has boot optiions that end in 24.. |
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| 23:07.50 | Samo | hi, can anyone tell me how ubercopy works ? Id like to copy my full system to another hd (both hd have a different size unfortunately) |
| 23:07.50 | abrotman | jaro: not quite |
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| 23:08.00 | Gnea | wtf.... if i try to install something from experimental i get: |
| 23:08.06 | Gnea | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:08.06 | Gnea | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | Gnea: FIRE! |
| 23:08.27 | Gnea | abrotman: how the hell do i use experimental? this is important! :/ |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | jaro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer |
| 23:08.43 | Wil0000 | gnea: any ideas? i installed it with it plugged in... |
| 23:08.45 | Gnea | i found package-force version |
| 23:08.49 | abrotman | Gnea: are you serious? |
| 23:08.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:08.51 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:08.55 | lexande | Azar: where should i ask? |
| 23:08.56 | Gnea | Wil0000: unplug it, reinstall, plug it back in |
| 23:08.58 | Gnea | abrotman: yes. |
| 23:09.05 | Wil0000 | ok |
| 23:09.08 | Gnea | abrotman: seriously, i never mucked with experimental before |
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| 23:09.12 | ethics | i always just pulled the debs from DPO and dpkg them |
| 23:09.15 | Gnea | but now i have a justifiable reason to |
| 23:09.16 | abrotman | Gnea: you put the line in .. pin to unstable .. use -t experimental when you want to get something from there |
| 23:09.24 | Gnea | -t |
| 23:09.24 | Gnea | ok |
| 23:09.28 | os360 | so I substituted linux24 for linux26 and it did boot.. but then it doesn't really tell what it is installing |
| 23:09.28 | w1ajig|sarge | abrotman, that ports i was talking of.... they are assigned to portmap an rpc > nfs-common. easy to switch off |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | "-t experimental" |
| 23:09.33 | Azar | lexande: I would just google for "alsamixer issues" see what others did to fix |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | w1ajig|sarge: whosawhatsit? |
| 23:09.48 | keherman | is there a way to enable SIGNEDNESS warnings in gcc/g++? ie, casts from int to unsigned int? |
| 23:10.05 | w1ajig|sarge | abrotman, na... wrong channel? |
| 23:10.06 | abrotman | w1ajig|sarge: open ports? |
| 23:10.26 | Wil0000 | gnea: ive installed it again, do i plug it back in before i write configureation for modprobe and create a hot plug? |
| 23:10.28 | w1ajig|sarge | abrotman, sry man. wrong party |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:10.44 | disposable | i connected my computer to the internet via eth0. i know almost nothing about networking, didn't know how to setup what so i ran dhclient and it configured eth0 properly. but suddenly, xterm takes 10 seconds to execute. after reboot, syslogd took 5 mins to start, exim 4, and I had to rerun dhclient. how do i solve the long starts? |
| 23:10.46 | Gnea | abrotman: you are the man. |
| 23:10.58 | abrotman | Gnea: workie!?!? |
| 23:11.00 | Wil0000 | gnea: ive installed it again, do i plug it back in before i write configureation for modprobe and create a hot plug? |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | Gnea: let it be known .. i've never used experimental :) |
| 23:11.25 | os360 | sffs |
| 23:11.26 | ethics | disposable nameservers set up? |
| 23:11.28 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe i have .. for my laptop when x4.3 was new |
| 23:11.32 | lexande | Azar: all the others are about losing settings on reboot |
| 23:11.55 | os360 | is there a channel that deals with debian on laptops..? |
| 23:12.12 | Azar | lexande: what Debian distro and kernel version are you using? |
| 23:12.15 | disposable | ethics: does that affect my computer responsivity if i'm not doing anything with the network? |
| 23:12.26 | amphi | os360: you can ask here |
| 23:12.30 | Wil0000 | gnea? |
| 23:12.30 | disposable | ethics: s/computer/computer's |
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| 23:13.04 | MrObvious | How do I create an archive of a folder? |
| 23:13.14 | Azar | lexande: ? |
| 23:13.14 | bbrazil | !tar |
| 23:13.14 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 23:13.54 | lexande | sid, kernel 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 23:14.05 | bbrazil | !tar =~ s/bar ex/tar ex/ |
| 23:14.05 | dpkg | bbrazil: OK |
| 23:14.06 | epsilon | MrObvious: man tar, focus on -c and -f |
| 23:14.19 | MrObvious | Thanks. |
| 23:14.20 | os360 | only issue I have is that the etch installer seems to have a hard time recognizing my pcmcia NIC |
| 23:14.22 | lexande | i'd figure it was an "unstable" issue but alsamixer works fine on other systems i have on sid |
| 23:14.28 | Gnea | Wil0000: |
| 23:14.37 | Wil0000 | hey gnea? |
| 23:14.38 | epsilon | MrObvious: you can comress later with gzip or bzip if still required |
| 23:14.46 | epsilon | *compress |
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| 23:14.51 | Gnea | Wil0000: plug it back in, then modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 23:15.02 | Wil0000 | gnea: i just did, nothing happened again :( |
| 23:15.24 | kjs3 | tar -j will bzip on the fly, tar -z will gzip on the fly. |
| 23:15.48 | w1ajig|sarge | what pkg is best for sercurity monitoring: swatch logcheck or loganalysis |
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| 23:17.28 | MrObvious | :| |
| 23:17.30 | os360 | you get to that sreen where it tells you it didn't find your nic and asks you what it is so it can load the driver and it just keeps looping on this screen |
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| 23:17.49 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 23:17.59 | Azar | addicted gamers |
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| 23:18.23 | os360 | but if you just get out it seems to work ok after that.. |
| 23:18.23 | Wil0000 | ffs, i need some help with installing my fucking dwl610 pc card, ndiswraper doesent work. i dot know how to put the proper realtek 8180 drivers in the kernel either |
| 23:18.47 | abrotman | #ndiswrapper ? |
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| 23:18.59 | mindmime | hi |
| 23:18.59 | Wil0000 | no ones there :( |
| 23:19.07 | Gnea | Wil0000: http://www.canit.se/~oli/wl/ |
| 23:19.11 | mindmime | someone feel like msg'ing me and helping me with bind? :~( |
| 23:19.31 | Wil0000 | gnea, i dont know what that guy is on about. |
| 23:19.33 | _iH8|lp | hello any known problems with phppgadmin? i installed it thru apt-get for apache2, the apache error.log says "access denied by server configuration" stupid thing is phpmyadmin works perfectly under the same .confs |
| 23:19.40 | Wil0000 | i dont know how to edit the kernel |
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| 23:20.06 | Gnea | Wil0000: you don't have to follow every single step - just the steps that apply to you |
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| 23:21.04 | Gnea | Wil0000: 2.6 probably has it already |
| 23:21.16 | kennethd|work | the sarge install disk with 'boot: linux26' is not finding my sata hd, is there another parameter I need to specify to make it use SCSI? |
| 23:21.30 | mindmime | anyone feel like helping me with bind? |
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| 23:22.19 | bucky | kennethd, you might need a newer kernel /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
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| 23:22.29 | Gnea | !tell mindmime -about ask |
| 23:22.40 | ethics | kennethd what chipset is the sata....you may need a higher kernel |
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| 23:22.48 | `3nergy | sorry about spam forgot script autoloaded ^ |
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| 23:23.05 | mindmime | I'm having trouble finding a step by step install and config for bind/named. |
| 23:23.12 | MOtheRus | Azar: i've a problem launching the ./configure script for alsa-source |
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| 23:23.46 | MOtheRus | Azar: no, ok ,now it works |
| 23:23.49 | dondelelcaro | mindmime: it's pretty simple; aptitude install bind; configure your /etc/bind/named.conf.{local,options} |
| 23:23.58 | MOtheRus | Azar: :) |
| 23:24.19 | Wil0000 | what is an include path? |
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| 23:25.16 | _iH8|lp | no-one any experience with the phppgadmin package? |
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| 23:26.16 | ||ugh | Apt-get question: Is there a way to tell apt-get install to install new versions of all then packages on "hold"? |
| 23:26.36 | ||ugh | Opps, that is not "hold" but "kept back" |
| 23:26.47 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: if they're held back, they're held back for a reason typically. |
| 23:27.15 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: you're better off using aptitude to have it intelligently figure out which packages should be upgraded, and which can't because the new version of something which they depend on can't actually be installed. |
| 23:27.19 | ||ugh | Yes, depdenancies. I want them ALL upgraded. Mostly I do this by hand, but thats getting nuts. |
| 23:27.43 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: so use aptitude. It does it automatically. |
| 23:27.44 | Wil0000 | in a make file, where it says KVER do i leave the $ in? |
| 23:27.47 | ||ugh | Guess I can try that, thanks. |
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| 23:28.13 | kennethd | bucky, ethics : thanks, that's probably it. ubuntu's dmesg looks like it uses ata_piix... if I'm reading it right |
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| 23:28.46 | ethics | Wil0000 a dollar is a variable...if your not looking it up its not needed ie your replaceing the variable with a static name |
| 23:28.58 | MOtheRus | Azar: make ...problem |
| 23:29.02 | bucky | Wil0000, sounds like your ./configure can't find some include.h files because you don't have certain -dev.deb files installed |
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| 23:29.49 | ethics | kennethd do a /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 if you want a newer install version |
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| 23:30.37 | kennethd | ethics, it's downloading now, thanks |
| 23:30.53 | Wil0000 | how do i find the pci id of my dlink wireless pc card?! |
| 23:31.05 | ethics | Wil0000 lspci...? |
| 23:31.27 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, ug, aptitued is one of the icky MS-dog like programs that is best avoided (yes, I am an old time Unix bigot...). Is there another app that has the same functionality? |
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| 23:31.35 | Wil0000 | yea, which part is the address? |
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| 23:31.56 | dusk | heya, im trying to get my network printer working with cups, but I get this error (as sudo, from terminal): ** (gnome-cups-manager:7756): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030 |
| 23:32.00 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: ? You don't need to use the ncurses interface. |
| 23:32.17 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: it's actually quite a bit more powerfull than anything you've probably ever used before. Yes, it's even more powerfull than dselect. |
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| 23:33.49 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, careful with that... I have used real Smalltalk systems, interlisp, and other things that are well beyond whats out there... But I am reading the man page to see if it can be made to be useful. Thanks. |
| 23:33.50 | Wil0000 | Ethics: the file says i should do this; Remember the vendor and device id you saved from watching the kernel log, the first value is the vendor, second is device, change them accordingly. It should look something like this: |
| 23:33.50 | Wil0000 | { 0x1186, 0x3300 /*0x8139*/, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 0 }, |
| 23:34.16 | Wil0000 | how do i get vendor and pci id? |
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| 23:34.46 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: I'm talking in the realm of handling package dependencies. Obviously, it's not emacs. |
| 23:35.11 | Wil0000 | ethics? |
| 23:35.13 | calmar | hi all, while trying to do that: LANG=de_DE msginit msginit: You are in a language indifferent environment... I woudn't not know what to do about that ;( |
| 23:35.42 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, :r) Then again Emacs has fallen on hard times too! We need to find a way to make it's resource usage painful again! Maybe we should add VoIP to it? :r) |
| 23:36.20 | dondelelcaro | well, aptitude probably will use more memory than emacs... but then again, that's because solving the dependency graph of unstable is non-trivial |
| 23:36.23 | ethics | wil0000 wel id expect dmesg to have some info for you |
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| 23:37.43 | Wil0000 | ethics: it has nothing |
| 23:37.50 | ethics | Wil0000 dmesg = kernel log for your needs id expect |
| 23:38.00 | ethics | wil what device? |
| 23:38.10 | Wil0000 | Dlink dwl-610 |
| 23:38.28 | Wil0000 | there is no mention of it atall |
| 23:38.29 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, if you will continue to humor me. Far as I can tell aptitude is the same as apt-get so far. Same results. Can I ask it (or anything else) _why_ a package is on hold/"kept back"? |
| 23:38.37 | Wil0000 | the light isnt on either |
| 23:38.45 | ethics | will unplug replug dmesg see what it saw.... |
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| 23:39.11 | ethics | Wil0000 you may need to do an update-pci-ids |
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| 23:39.47 | ethics | Wil0000 do you have your sockets loaded? |
| 23:39.52 | Wil0000 | ethics: unplugging it doesent... |
| 23:39.53 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: sure, to do that, you have to use the curses interface |
| 23:39.58 | Wil0000 | how does one load their socket? |
| 23:39.58 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: well, to do it trivially; |
| 23:40.14 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: just type aptitude; hit plus on the package to force it to upgrade, and see what is broken. |
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| 23:40.35 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, well that sucks, but beggers... how. Ok I will see how that goes. Thanks for the boost. |
| 23:40.42 | ethics | Wil0000 i havent used a laptop for a long time but back in the day you had to load modules for the actuall Card Slot chipsets and then the drivers after that... |
| 23:41.09 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: I figure in a few days you'll get over your revulsion of the ncurses interface |
| 23:41.13 | dusk | ** (gnome-cups-manager:7756): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030 |
| 23:41.15 | dusk | :( |
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| 23:41.47 | Wil0000 | ethics: lspci shows it, just dmesg doesent |
| 23:42.07 | rayvd | I'm new to creating .deb files. Is there a way to "sign" them and enforce that a .deb have a certain signature for dpkg to install it? |
| 23:42.09 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, nope. It depends on F10 which is bound elsewhere. I _am_ am Unix bigot and the ncurses interface stinks of MS-Dos thinking. Etc. I have bounced off this program before. |
| 23:42.17 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: it doesn't depend on F10 |
| 23:42.23 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: I have no clue even what F10 does in it |
| 23:42.33 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: just hit ? |
| 23:42.49 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, my gui says that is how one gets to "the menu", what ever that is. |
| 23:42.59 | dondelelcaro | (the menus are for people who can't figure out how to read the manual to just hit the proper keys |
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| 23:43.20 | Wil0000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.23 | ethics | Wil0000 well without a laptop i cant see how the cards register but i would have expected lspci and dmesg to be all you need to look at ....there may be somewhere different on a laptop |
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| 23:44.10 | Wil0000 | ah, this is shiiit. |
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| 23:44.59 | bucky | Wil0000, are you trying to install over wireless? |
| 23:45.21 | Wil0000 | nah, im trying to install a dlink dwl-610 wireless card to my laptop |
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| 23:45.39 | Wil0000 | but the card wont show up in dmesg... |
| 23:45.54 | bucky | Wil0000, do you have pcmciautils installed? |
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| 23:46.06 | Wil0000 | nah whats that? |
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| 23:47.18 | Wil0000 | bucky: i hace pcmcia card services |
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| 23:47.54 | Guerin | pcmcia has always worked wonderfully for me |
| 23:48.24 | Guerin | i blame the card |
| 23:48.35 | kspath | I blame wireless crap. |
| 23:48.41 | Wil0000 | will pcmcia modules already be installed? |
| 23:48.52 | Wil0000 | the card is a dlink piece of shiit. |
| 23:49.06 | Wil0000 | it works with XP though *seethes* |
| 23:50.14 | _iH8|lp | phpPgAdmin 3.5.2 Login <- yeah! |
| 23:50.34 | ethics | apparently XP works with everything known to man regardless of how stable it actually is....works is and extremely loose term in windows |
| 23:51.49 | Wil0000 | heh, i havent got any other cards. well i have a netgear one, but thats in my dads laptop. |
| 23:51.56 | Wil0000 | heh |
| 23:52.19 | Wil0000 | wait, i have a texas intruments one in my old dlink router? |
| 23:52.24 | Wil0000 | would that work? |
| 23:52.51 | Guerin | !htfswk Wil0000 |
| 23:52.51 | dpkg | Wil0000: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:53.01 | Wil0000 | ok ok |
| 23:53.03 | calmar | ( localedef -ci de_DE -f ISO_8859-1:1987 de_DE ) after doing so, LANG=de_DE msginit worked, cool) |
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| 23:54.29 | Wil0000 | dmesg doesent show that i have loaded my other card in either |
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| 23:55.37 | eusto | is there a konsole like terminal?(white on black but with scalable font) |
| 23:55.53 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, FYI I gave up on the ncurses GUI as a loss. Took the list of "kept back"s removed about 8 that had problems and its upgrading fine now (800+ pakages). |
| 23:56.01 | Wil0000 | okay, lspci shows my dlink card when i plug it in and take it out it shows it, but dmesg doesent... |
| 23:56.11 | kspath | eusto: rxvt-unicode |
| 23:56.13 | Wil0000 | do i need to compile my kernel? |
| 23:56.23 | ||ugh | dondelelcaro, thanks for the help. I will keep poking around looking for better tools. Thanks again. |
| 23:56.34 | kspath | eusto: At least I think so. I did not check. |
| 23:56.56 | eusto | kspath, thanks |
| 23:57.38 | dondelelcaro | ||ugh: *shrug* |
| 23:57.49 | kspath | rxvt, mrxvt, aterm, wterm, and rxvt-unicode are smaller/lighter than xterm and MUCH lighter than konsole/gnome-terminal |
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| 23:59.36 | Arfim | Hello, I've problem with Broadcom Ethernet chip tigon3 (tg3). There is a server with 2 of these cards running Debian Sarge 2.6.8. When OS boots I become the following in the log: tg3: tg3_request_firmware (eth%d): Couldn't get firmware "tg3/tso-1.4.0". tg3: eth%d: Firmware "tg3/tso-1.4.0" not loaded; continuing without TSO. |
| 23:59.56 | eusto | kspath, yes..i've noticed..it's just that my monitor has some problems and i cannot use mrxvt because of it's white background nore xterm for its not scalable fonts |
