| 00:00.29 | DirkGently | dadexter: thanks :¬) |
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| 00:00.52 | stew | jadewolf: yeah, doesn't matter, that kernel seems to be obsolete now |
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| 00:02.11 | python_ | is there a way to set up debian to autoconfigure or load the install cd on a hardrive. all i need is it to get the network connections. http://www.psds.com/products/storage/fia/fia4600.htm is the machine i am trying to load debian on |
| 00:02.44 | jadewolf | stew, odd that I can't see any linux-image above 2.6.12 |
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| 00:03.38 | LinuxNIT-laptop | anyone know why when i log out of kde i see the backgroud from gnome flash for a split second? |
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| 00:04.15 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7 testing |
| 00:04.34 | jadewolf | stew, I am using the testing in my sources list too |
| 00:04.41 | Amarande | or use the make-kpkg directions to build 2.6.15.3 |
| 00:04.42 | jetscreamer | stew try /msg and i don't think it's there |
| 00:04.54 | stew | its there |
| 00:04.55 | Amarande | speaking of which, if you follow the instructions for building the kernel 'the debian way' |
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| 00:04.59 | Amarande | does it build the headers package too? |
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| 00:05.22 | stew | Amarande: depends on what parameters you use to make-kpkg |
| 00:05.26 | tuv | strider: too bad.. azureus' binary is easier to manage and is up-to-date in debian, and eclipse's binary is harder to manage and is out-of-date in debian! |
| 00:05.48 | stew | jadewolf: possibly your mirror is out of date or you need to run apt-get update than |
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| 00:06.17 | jadewolf | guess its out of date, is there a list online that shows good updated sites that are fast on d/l speed |
| 00:06.19 | jetscreamer | so anyway: if i --purge a package (quanta in this instance) and another package depends on it, and is removed also, (kwebdevelop in this instance) are the files for the 2md package --purged also, or do i have to specifically --purge kwebdevelop |
| 00:06.21 | stew | tuv: there is a good chance they both will be in main soon, which means it will all get better |
| 00:06.31 | jadewolf | stew, I just updated it like 2 mins before I got on irc |
| 00:06.48 | jetscreamer | Amarande: do make-kpkg --targets |
| 00:06.55 | jetscreamer | and you wil lsee that it all depends |
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| 00:07.08 | jetscreamer | (on the target you specify) |
| 00:07.09 | python_ | i installed debian on the hardrive using a different computer. then when i put the hardrive in the server. it boots to debian. just when i type ifconfig it gives me a bunch of errors. when i put it into the computer i used to install it it works fine :( |
| 00:07.44 | python_ | i would like to have it redo the config. or find a way to install the net install to the hardrive |
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| 00:07.56 | jetscreamer | python_: the nic module for the old box may be being loaded in /etc/modules, not sure but it's a thought |
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| 00:08.11 | jetscreamer | 'trying to be' |
| 00:08.23 | pm_ | why every time that i run the vpnc-connect i can't ping anymore, i get 'Operation not permited'? |
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| 00:08.57 | answerguy | ARGH!!!! The Debian Apache2 package configuration has gotten NASTY!!! |
| 00:09.13 | stew | jadewolf: it only migrated to testing today, your mirror hasn't updated yet, check back in a few hours |
| 00:09.14 | python_ | how do i get it to load? i would like to reset up the installation? but on the computer without the cdrom |
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| 00:09.19 | DeVeRaS | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.20 | DeVeRaS | FATAL: Error inserting unicorn_usb_eth (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/extra/unicorn_usb_eth.ko): Invalid module format |
| 00:09.24 | DeVeRaS | what can this be? |
| 00:09.25 | stew | jadewolf: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/1.html |
| 00:09.28 | jadewolf | stew, I found it on another mirror |
| 00:09.33 | azeem | python_: I suggest you fix the networking rather than doing a reinstall |
| 00:09.53 | jetscreamer | python_: nano /etc/modules, check, then modprobe the correct one (might help, maybe no) |
| 00:09.53 | Amarande | "If you can read this, it means you have installed Apache successfully on this Debian machine. Before replacing this page, here are a few useful psychiatric help links, as we think you'll need them after configuring." |
| 00:10.07 | jetscreamer | oh and add the correct one to /etc/modules |
| 00:10.12 | python_ | well all the hardware detection is for the wrong computer |
| 00:10.41 | azeem | python_: post the content of /etc/modules on a pastebin |
| 00:10.44 | azeem | !paster |
| 00:10.44 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 00:10.45 | answerguy | It's doing way too much with mime.types and MIME magic modules. I was just trying to get a simple CGI script working for HOURS last night and I finally had to resort to mv /etc/apache2 /etc/BAD.apache2 and starting a new .conf from scratch. |
| 00:10.46 | python_ | i have no way to get a floppy cdrom or any thing other then a hardrive on the computer i am trying to install linux on |
| 00:10.50 | azeem | python_: did you install 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 00:10.58 | python_ | 2.4 |
| 00:11.06 | answerguy | Even then the search for a mime.types file seems to be compiled in! :( |
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| 00:11.36 | pm_ | what can cause ping to have the error 'Operation not permited'? |
| 00:11.39 | Amarande | Apache needs to know correct MIME types, answerguy. |
| 00:12.04 | Amarande | Otherwise you get those sites where firefox does things like "cannot load file type something/html, would you like to load it in epiphany?" |
| 00:12.06 | python_ | where is a past bin? |
| 00:12.11 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 00:12.12 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 00:12.26 | azeem | pm_: when you call it as a regular user and it is not suid |
| 00:12.27 | stew | hmm, 2.6.15 migrating to testing is going to bring a ton of people to #debian with udev problems, I predict |
| 00:12.32 | strider | tuv: unfortunately, yes. though azureus was updated just recently. They're working on it :) |
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| 00:13.08 | ootput | stew: why? |
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| 00:13.11 | Azar | question: since mozilla firefox is not a debian package (I just assume that) if there are patches for it, how we gonna get them? |
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| 00:13.26 | jetscreamer | !info firefox |
| 00:13.30 | pm_ | azeem but im root there, i can ping normaly, but then i run a vpnc-connect and i get this error, what this could mean? |
| 00:13.30 | Amarande | Azar: There's Debian packages for firefox |
| 00:13.41 | Azar | !info mozilla firefox |
| 00:13.46 | streuner | jetsreamer: firefox-mozilla |
| 00:13.50 | Azar | ah |
| 00:13.54 | stew | ootput: 2.6.15 depends on initramfs-tools | yaird, which means that people that have neither installed get initramfs-tools which depends on udev unless they explicitly request yaird at the same time |
| 00:13.55 | Azar | ok I will pm dpkg |
| 00:13.56 | python_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1773 |
| 00:14.05 | azeem | pm_: I don't know, sorry |
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| 00:14.10 | suareza | What's the command to perform a bash command while in VI? |
| 00:14.14 | jetscreamer | streuner: i heard it got renamed |
| 00:14.19 | Azar | dpkg does not know or is at lunch |
| 00:14.19 | stew | which is probably good that we work out those problems now, since it looks to me like the etch d-i is going to install udev |
| 00:14.19 | dpkg | okay, Azar |
| 00:14.23 | vulture | suareza: :! |
| 00:14.32 | suareza | vulture: Thank you |
| 00:14.34 | jetscreamer | guess i heard worng |
| 00:14.40 | ajxcrc | (gftp-gtk:867): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 00:14.42 | python_ | i have it the hardrive in the computer that it was installed on now |
| 00:14.44 | ajxcrc | how do I fix that lol |
| 00:14.53 | streuner | jetscreamer: package names change in debian like your underwear ;-) |
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| 00:15.13 | ajxcrc | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 00:15.16 | jetscreamer | ajxcrc: sounds like sudo to me |
| 00:15.22 | streuner | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 00:15.32 | ajxcrc | I am su already |
| 00:15.36 | Azar | suareza: install vim , it comes with vimtutor, an interactive tutorial |
| 00:15.38 | jetscreamer | that would be why |
| 00:15.51 | ajxcrc | oh |
| 00:15.52 | ajxcrc | lol |
| 00:15.57 | ajxcrc | how do I unsu |
| 00:16.00 | jetscreamer | exit |
| 00:16.20 | ajxcrc | it still gives me the same error |
| 00:16.34 | ajxcrc | got it, sorry haha |
| 00:16.37 | python_ | azeem any ideas? |
| 00:16.53 | jair | guys I know that probably this is a question for #apache but anyone here have had problems with the letters in other languages? appearing incorrectly "UTF-8" or something like that? |
| 00:16.55 | jetscreamer | !debtakeover |
| 00:16.55 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 00:18.19 | tuv | that is very funny dpkg! |
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| 00:19.09 | Wiseguy | hey guys whats the different between debian sarge and debian stable? ive always used slackware and just thought id give it a shot |
| 00:19.13 | QQmelo | !es |
| 00:19.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:19.20 | Azar | hmmm ok there are no security patches for mozilla firefox with debian and mozilla recommends just a simple upgrade of firefox to the 1.5.0.1 version which.... will not apply to Sarge. So I will stay with the old firefox version with no patches |
| 00:19.25 | QQmelo | hola |
| 00:19.42 | streuner | Wiseguy: sarge=stable |
| 00:19.56 | bbrazil | Wiseguy: at the moment, nothing as sarge is stable. however sometime in the future etch will become stable and sarge will be oldstable |
| 00:20.24 | Azar | Wiseguy: short info and guide: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/debianbase.html |
| 00:21.03 | stew | Wiseguy: http://debian.org/releases |
| 00:21.27 | Wiseguy | heh ok.. what confused me is a dedicated server site offered deb sarge and deb stable as OS choices... |
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| 00:21.46 | eln1 | hi, how to know if ati drivers are correctly installed, and 3d is working properly? |
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| 00:22.11 | azeem | eln1: run glxinfo, and check for direct rendering |
| 00:22.12 | Azar | Wiseguy: that server had outdated info maybe from the times when Woody was stable and Sarge was testing |
| 00:22.17 | stew | Wiseguy: they probably offered that around the time right before sarge became stable for people that didn't want to have to upgrade from woody to sarge when sarge became stable |
| 00:22.41 | Wiseguy | ah ok... thats makes sense, thanks guys |
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| 00:24.00 | fas3r | if i want to recompile a new kernel ... for my ethernet modem just i need to active all ppp option in the new kernel ? |
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| 00:25.05 | Azar | ah that makes sense then: For Mozilla-based products that have no updates available, users are strongly encouraged to disable JavaScript. << I never enable JS so it will be ok |
| 00:26.19 | dr1v3r | rguys i know chmod perms dir changes the modes of that directory but what do i do to change the attribs for everything inside of it aswell? |
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| 00:26.55 | ShadeS | hello |
| 00:31.54 | strider | dr1v3r: use -R man chmod |
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| 00:31.55 | strider | ah, the wonders of irssi :P |
| 00:31.55 | dr1v3r | yuo lol |
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| 00:33.39 | ShadeS | I have a networking question that's not really debian related |
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| 00:33.47 | strider | Azar: the noscript extension is good. Allows you to selectively enable JS |
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| 00:34.02 | eln1 | azeem ?? |
| 00:34.02 | strider | hatake_kakashi: heh |
| 00:34.03 | Azar | strider, yes, well I never need JS.. |
| 00:34.03 | Azar | extra! extra! Delivering free software at 2Gbit/s http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/2005-12-10/2gbit-freesoftware.html |
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| 00:34.06 | fas3r | with apt i don't find the kernel header for version 2.6.8-2-386, there are just a kernel-image ... where i find the good kernel-header ? |
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| 00:34.10 | choke | can someone recommend a window manager that is more memory and cpu effecient then twm |
| 00:34.11 | Supaplex | xterm |
| 00:34.11 | CaT[tm] | /bin/true |
| 00:34.11 | choke | or is twm the the best at that |
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| 00:34.11 | foadd | choke, windowmaker, or fvwm, or one of the *box |
| 00:34.13 | choke | flux box should run better then twm? |
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| 00:34.13 | choke | and use less memory and be more cpu efficent? |
| 00:34.13 | eln1 | hi, how to know if ati drivers are correctly installed, and 3d is working properly? |
| 00:34.13 | foadd | better? don't know, but it's great |
| 00:34.13 | jetscreamer | better? no. look nicer? yes. heh |
| 00:34.13 | Azar | openbox too |
| 00:34.13 | fas3r | anybody have an idea ? |
| 00:34.13 | orchid | choke wmii is worth a look |
| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | twm may use less, but any *.box should be good |
| 00:34.14 | choke | I need faster, cuz im running it on a box with a slow CPU and very little memory |
| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | see also icewm |
| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | *.box or icewm or twm |
| 00:34.14 | choke | Im gonna try flux, and I see for myself |
| 00:34.14 | choke | I should have done that too |
| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | install em all :) |
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| 00:34.28 | choke | oh, and i didnt mention the shortness on disk space :-) |
| 00:34.45 | fas3r | fluxbox was great ;) |
| 00:34.46 | jetscreamer | ok install em one at a time and remember the --purge switch |
| 00:34.59 | choke | what does purge do? |
| 00:35.00 | fas3r | and very light |
| 00:35.01 | ericw | choke, there are actually some window managers better than twm for size and speed |
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| 00:35.07 | ericw | evilwm will probably do very well |
| 00:35.09 | jetscreamer | removes config files also |
| 00:35.24 | choke | it will even remove config file that are in users directories? |
| 00:35.35 | ericw | matchbox and icebox are good if you don't mind full-screen or tiled display |
| 00:35.37 | jetscreamer | not afaict but i'm not sure |
| 00:35.47 | azeem | eln1: that means 3D is not working properly |
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| 00:36.07 | azeem | eln1: I can't help you with setting it up, though, sorry |
| 00:36.08 | eln1 | azeem: any workaround to make 3d works? |
| 00:36.12 | choke | i will try evilwm first. it seems the most promising |
| 00:36.18 | ericw | choke, I would doubt it removing files from home directories-- that would be dangerous (what if you nfs export those?) |
| 00:36.21 | eln1 | oh ok.. sniff |
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| 00:36.49 | ericw | choke, I used to be a big fan of UWM (part of UDE) thats pretty small |
| 00:36.58 | ericw | and icewm is *really* small if you compile it right |
| 00:37.14 | foadd | icewm of openbox would suffice ;) |
| 00:37.15 | ericw | and its very feature-rich |
| 00:37.17 | foadd | or* |
| 00:37.38 | ericw | with 8 megs of ram |
| 00:37.46 | Azar | foadd: ? I only run openbox and I am ok, why icewm should accompany openbox? |
| 00:38.11 | Azar | ah "or" |
| 00:38.18 | foadd | :) |
| 00:39.04 | foadd | CaT[tm], there are still ppl using afterstep? j/k :P |
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| 00:40.09 | abrocadabro | what is the best way to backup an entire harddisk? |
| 00:40.12 | Amarande | Why not? People still use E even though Gnome doesn't need it anymore. |
| 00:40.24 | Amarande | abrocadabro: dd it to an identical partition on another drive, perhaps? |
| 00:40.42 | Amarande | actually |
| 00:40.46 | Amarande | if you have two hard disks |
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| 00:41.11 | Amarande | and you do say dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb, does hdb pick up hda's partition table along with the filesystems? |
| 00:41.17 | abrocadabro | Amarande: is there a way I can have a image created on the same harddisk? |
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| 00:41.28 | Amarande | abrocadabro: that isn't really a reliable backup method |
| 00:41.36 | Amarande | a good backup method would be using two HDs that are exactly identical |
| 00:41.47 | Lord_Athur | hi |
| 00:41.55 | Amarande | if you don't want to mess with RAID, do a cronjob to dd the main drive onto the backup one when people aren't busy |
| 00:42.01 | Amarande | (I'm not sure how much load this causes, and for how long) |
| 00:42.15 | Lord_Athur | hi |
| 00:42.23 | abrocadabro | Amarande: the problem I am trying to solve is that I have built a server and I want to take a snapshot of the system and deploy it a different machine |
| 00:42.26 | foadd | hi Lord_Athur |
| 00:42.58 | abrocadabro | so I don't really need a daily backup with cronjob |
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| 00:43.16 | petemc | abrocadabro: dd would do an exact copy of the disk |
| 00:43.30 | petemc | abrocadabro: rsync would be a better tool to keep it updated |
| 00:43.40 | abrocadabro | it's kinda like ghost, I tried G4L, which is ghost for linux, but it just doesn't work as expected |
| 00:43.56 | foadd | abrocadabro, partimage ?? |
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| 00:44.14 | abrocadabro | petemc: with dd, do I need to harddisk side by side? |
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| 00:44.32 | zmk | :scrollback 100000 |
| 00:44.44 | petemc | abrocadabro: you can do it over a network |
| 00:44.44 | zmk | sry |
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| 00:44.56 | eln1 | !ati |
| 00:44.56 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 00:45.15 | Amarande | eln1: also, before we continue |
| 00:45.20 | Amarande | what motherboard chipset do you use? |
| 00:45.32 | Amarande | if it's nForce4 don't expect ATI to be happy |
| 00:45.34 | eln1 | pc chips 5333 |
| 00:45.38 | eln1 | 533* |
| 00:45.39 | groogs | i have a 3rd party DB that contains passwords i'd like to keep in sync with my main unix and LDAP server... does anyone know of a pam module that can run an external program when the password changes, or another way to do this? |
| 00:45.40 | Amarande | errgghh |
| 00:45.46 | Amarande | if it's PC Chips don't expect anything to be happy :) |
| 00:45.53 | eln1 | hehe |
| 00:46.15 | eln1 | all working fine, except Ati 3d |
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| 00:46.41 | Amarande | eln1: check your monitor refresh rate. |
| 00:46.45 | Amarande | also, which Radeon do you have? |
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| 00:47.05 | bbrazil | groogs: you could write a module to do that |
| 00:47.08 | eln1 | redeon 9200 |
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| 00:47.18 | Amarande | ahh, at least you can use your card then |
| 00:47.19 | abrocadabro | foadd: is the 100MB CD image the one I need to get everything started? |
| 00:47.26 | Amarande | my ATI is an X1600, and is currently a paperweight |
| 00:47.42 | Amarande | Linux only gave 60 Hz with it, and Windows absolutely refused to be happy with it |
| 00:47.46 | eln1 | yeah, its working fine, just need to enable the 3D, but i dunno how |
| 00:47.52 | Amarande | !fglrx |
| 00:47.53 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 00:48.15 | pipeline | Amarande: It's not going to stop being a paperweight at any point. fglrx is pain. |
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| 00:48.41 | groogs | bbrazil: yeah, thought about that.. just looks like a lot of work, as i have to learn this "pam conversation" stuff.. i would have thought someone else would have needed this, and i was jsut overlooking the obvious.. |
| 00:48.49 | strider | i have heard that the open source drivers for the 9200 support it fully |
| 00:48.51 | foadd | abrocadabro, yes |
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| 00:49.21 | bbrazil | groogs: its not something I have come across, I can't imagine it being too hard |
| 00:49.36 | foadd | abrocadabro, check out this http://www.raoul.shacknet.nu/2006/01/06/partition-images-with-partimage-and-partimaged/ |
| 00:49.38 | pipeline | strider: Yes. The Radeon 8500 / 9000 / 9100 / 9200 / 9250 are all R2xx chips. |
| 00:49.42 | pm_ | how can i tell to the dhcpclient to not touch my resolv.conf? i can't find anything in the man on the .conf file. |
| 00:49.53 | bbrazil | groogs: there should be sample modules |
| 00:49.59 | pipeline | pm_: You can cheat by setting the immutable flag on resolv.conf :p |
| 00:50.27 | Amarande | pipeline: It's even a paperweight in Windows. |
| 00:50.34 | strider | pipeline: yes, i have the 9700, and am using the r300 drivers. very satisfactory performance, see no reason to use fglrx |
| 00:50.35 | abrocadabro | foadd: thanks |
| 00:50.38 | bbrazil | pipeline: check the manpage for dhclient? |
| 00:50.43 | Amarande | I discovered every single stability issue I have had with this rig was due to that X1600. |
| 00:50.43 | pm_ | pipeline i can't do this, i want the vpn to alter it |
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| 00:50.50 | Amarande | Apparently nForce4 and X1600 don't play nice with each other. |
| 00:50.51 | pm_ | bbrazil i did it |
| 00:51.11 | eln1 | strider, where to get the drivers you using? and , your 3D is working?? |
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| 00:51.58 | strider | eln1: yes, but i had to get it from CVs, but your card should work wonderfully as such AFAIK |
| 00:52.08 | fas3r | anybody know where it's possible i find kernel-header for kernel 2.6.8-2-386 ?? |
| 00:52.12 | pipeline | strider: The r3xx drivers actually work these days? |
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| 00:52.39 | pm_ | any one there use vpn? |
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| 00:52.44 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-header ? |
| 00:52.48 | abrotman | pm_: noone |
| 00:52.50 | eln1 | ive installed the drivers from ati.com , cant make 3d works |
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| 00:53.23 | strider | pipeline: yes, and development is still going great. though right now, the kernel does not include 3d drivers in the tree for 9500 onwards |
| 00:53.29 | antisamw | i cant get my usb ethernet interface working right, dmesg shows when i plug it in the mod is working, and ifup brings it up with an ip, but all its traffic still goes over the internal nic's interface |
| 00:53.31 | guru | i'm unable to resolve any domain names and i'm not sure what the problem is - my nameservers are all reachable and pinging an ipddress (or connecting to one) works just fine...does anyone here have any idea on what i could try next? |
| 00:53.53 | Amarande | antisamw: sounds like a routing/gateway issue |
| 00:53.59 | fas3r | abrotman, nop i don't find it with apt ... |
| 00:54.09 | pm_ | guru the resolv.conf is ok? |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | you can't find any headers? |
| 00:54.15 | guru | pm_: yep |
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| 00:54.18 | Amarande | is your defaultroute set to go thru the internal eth? |
| 00:54.18 | antisamw | can you offer some good reading? |
| 00:54.29 | fas3r | yes i find other header ...not mine |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 00:54.35 | guru | well what the hell..now it works |
| 00:54.36 | strider | pipeline: infact, got xcompmgr and transset to check things out in Gnome. nice :) |
| 00:54.52 | antisamw | amarande: im not sure, hoestly i dont even know how to check |
| 00:54.52 | guru | i changed my nameserver to my internal router ip and now it works fine |
| 00:54.52 | pm_ | guru what you changed? |
| 00:54.57 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 00:54.57 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
| 00:55.01 | guru | weird |
| 00:55.14 | guru | oh well, sorry to have bothered you :) |
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| 00:55.33 | Azar | dpkg did not reply to me for mozilla-firefox, mozilla, firefox or firefox-mozilla |
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| 00:55.58 | fas3r | dpkg: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:55.58 | dpkg | -385.4 |
| 00:56.14 | Azar | :D good one |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | hehehe |
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| 00:56.19 | fas3r | yes ;) |
| 00:56.38 | fas3r | dpkg: 99999983273837668².99723873098328² |
| 00:56.46 | Azar | fas3r: something wrong with your apt sources.list maybe |
| 00:57.00 | foadd | woot, fas3r , that's too much for him :P |
| 00:57.19 | abrotman | fas3r: http://pdo.debian.net/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:57.19 | fas3r | foadd, yes i think ;) |
| 00:57.21 | Azar | don't harrass dpkg, it is tired already |
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| 00:58.02 | strider | !abuse |
| 00:58.02 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 00:58.15 | Amarande | antisamw: try doing ifdown on the internal nic's interface |
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| 00:58.22 | Amarande | and see if the net still insists on going thru it |
| 00:58.27 | fas3r | it's just for prove machine don't replace human ;) |
| 00:58.41 | fas3r | ok thank abrotman i go to see it |
| 00:59.25 | pm_ | any one knows can i make dhclient dont alter my resolv.conf file? |
| 00:59.41 | hatake_kakashi | pm_: this is ugly but I have set it to immutatable |
| 00:59.48 | Lord_Athur | by all |
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| 00:59.50 | Thanatermesis | xorg 7 is now on unstable/experimental ? |
| 00:59.55 | pm_ | hatake_kakashi how can i do this? |
| 01:00.03 | azeem | Thanatermesis: half of it is in experimental |
| 01:00.05 | \amethyst | pm_: prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:00.07 | fas3r | abrotman, i dont understand i use sarge version ... why apt don't find it ? |
| 01:00.09 | ootput | Thanatermesis: not fully |
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| 01:00.15 | \amethyst | pm_: supersede domain-name s-z.org |
| 01:00.17 | hatake_kakashi | pm_: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf or something like that |
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| 01:00.33 | \amethyst | pm_: that way you get their name servers after yours |
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| 01:00.48 | Thanatermesis | this is posible a boring question but... any idea of the aproximately date estimated for enter on etch ? |
| 01:00.52 | \amethyst | pm_: in dhclient.conf, that is |
| 01:01.09 | Azar | Thanatermesis: no, but I would assume not this year |
| 01:01.24 | Thanatermesis | not for this year ? wow, this is very time |
| 01:01.25 | \amethyst | pm_: you can also supersede domain-name-servers if you want. |
| 01:01.25 | azeem | Thanatermesis: December 2006 |
| 01:01.36 | ootput | Thanatermesis: what feature are you after? |
| 01:01.40 | pm_ | \amethyst let me try it |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | fas3r: paste your sources somewhere |
| 01:02.01 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 01:02.02 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00001.html |
| 01:02.04 | \amethyst | pm_: it will still overwrite your resolv.conf, but with the values you provide in the conf instead of the ones the DCHP server provided |
| 01:02.26 | Thanatermesis | ootput, aparently the new xorg "sucks" just 32 MB after some days working, and the actual eat's a lot more |
| 01:02.33 | antisamw | amarande: you are the best |
| 01:02.35 | antisamw | works |
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| 01:02.47 | antisamw | hmm what does this tell me tho? |
| 01:03.02 | fas3r | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/545937 |
| 01:03.13 | fas3r | i have paste my source list on pastebin |
| 01:03.14 | Thanatermesis | a friend has tested it, 32 MB with xinerama after some days, and the before version of xorg, 120mb in the same |
| 01:03.22 | pm_ | \amethyst what the superseded does? i really need it? or just the prepend is ok? |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | fas3r: because you're using testing .. not sarge |
| 01:03.39 | Azar | :) bingo! fas3r got cought |
| 01:03.53 | fas3r | oky ... |
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| 01:04.09 | ootput | Thanatermesis: have you filed a report on bits? |
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| 01:04.36 | fas3r | do you think i necessary adapt my source.list or it's possibly i install the .deb files of kernel-header find in debian site ? |
| 01:04.44 | \amethyst | pm_: supersede replaces the values provided by the server. prepend adds your values in front of the server's |
| 01:04.45 | Thanatermesis | i think to its just the "internal work of xorg" ootput |
| 01:05.05 | Thanatermesis | he has tried this in a gentoo |
| 01:05.16 | \amethyst | pm_: I user supersede with domain-name, but prepend with domain-name-servers |
| 01:06.01 | \amethyst | use |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | fas3r: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16sarge1_i386.deb |
| 01:06.29 | Thanatermesis | but i look also xorg on my debian eat'in a lot of RAM... this is normal ? i have asked some times on this channel about if any person looks a posible memleak on xorg.... but i don't have received responses ootput |
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| 01:06.45 | \amethyst | Thanatermesis: some of that is mmapped video memory, probably |
| 01:07.16 | \amethyst | Thanatermesis: Do you mean VSZ or RSS? |
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| 01:09.32 | Dewi | stew: the ntp people don't want you to know that time can be transmitted over http |
| 01:09.37 | Dewi | stew: they want you to use ntp :) |
| 01:10.14 | Thanatermesis | what is vsz/rss \amethyst ? i just look my graphical system VERY slow after 2 or 3 days... and i look my memory and more than 1 GB is using of SWAP (500 Mb of ram) (i have tested this in diferents window managers, also very light's) |
| 01:10.20 | Amarande | antisamw: that you need to adjust your routing setup so that the system will actually use both your network adapters |
| 01:10.29 | cindy | is there a simple fix |
| 01:10.35 | Amarande | normally, even if you have two eth cards, it will only actually send stuff through the one that's connected to the defaultroute |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: how are you looking at your memory? |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | cindy: to what? |
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| 01:11.01 | cindy | warning: process `update' used the obsolete bdflush system call |
| 01:11.01 | cindy | Fix your initscripts? |
| 01:11.04 | \amethyst | Thanatermesis: in top, the VIRT (VSZ) column is virtual memory used, and RES (RSS) is resident memory |
| 01:11.07 | antisamw | amarande: where do i do that? as far as i know there is no routing setup, i just ifup both interfaces |
| 01:11.07 | \amethyst | Thanatermesis: but |
| 01:11.26 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, diferents things, top, atop... mmmh, im not remember if have tried another... and gkrellm also show a "big bar" |
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| 01:11.46 | \amethyst | Thanatermesis: applications often allocate resources in the X server |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: ok .. in top .. what are the VIRT and RES numbers for X ? |
| 01:12.27 | \amethyst | Thanatermesis: you can use xrestop to find out which X apps are making it use so much memory |
| 01:12.37 | Thanatermesis | \amethyst, yes.. i know, but i have started for look for this because i have found my graphical system extremely slow after 2-3 days |
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| 01:13.19 | cindy | abrotman, i did a apt-get update |
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| 01:14.07 | abrotman | cindy: are you on sarge ? |
| 01:14.16 | bartden | hi, how can i change my keymap in console |
| 01:14.18 | cindy | abrotman, yes |
| 01:14.31 | pm_ | see, i can ping normally, but when i run the vpnc-connect, when i try to ping i get 'Operation not permited', what can cause this? if i restart the network service, i can ping again and the vpn is still running. |
| 01:14.34 | Thanatermesis | oh yes, i have tried also xrestop \amethyst but im not sure/remember what have say it... |
| 01:15.01 | Thanatermesis | sorry abrotman, im just on a liveCD now :/ but i try to look for it if i continue looking problems (reinstallation of the system just finished) |
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| 01:15.22 | abrotman | cindy: i've never seen that error .. what package is `update` in? |
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| 01:16.00 | cindy | i use to do apt-get update - then - apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:16.18 | abrotman | you're saying apt-get update caused that error ? |
| 01:16.22 | cindy | yes |
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| 01:16.32 | abrotman | cindy: can you paste your sources somewhere? |
| 01:16.33 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:16.33 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:16.35 | valent|n0 | xfree86 gnome kde debian linux .. xwindows.. omg .... what is all of that.. how do I know where the problem rely .. |
| 01:16.38 | Doctor | !topic |
| 01:16.44 | Doctor | damn :) |
| 01:16.44 | priyank | is there a package for tango-icon-theme? |
| 01:16.48 | cindy | yes let me get it |
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| 01:16.58 | bartden | hi, how can i change my keymap in console |
| 01:17.06 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:17.06 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 01:17.22 | priyank | hi, is there a package for tango-icon-theme? |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 01:17.51 | bartden | thx |
| 01:18.01 | priyank | doesnt show. |
| 01:18.04 | valent|n0 | whats apt stands for |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | !apt |
| 01:18.16 | dpkg | i heard apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.', or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 01:18.41 | sigma | valent|n0: xfree86=replaced by x.org, gnome=good, kde=windows with linux kernel, debian=leet |
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| 01:19.42 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:19.53 | Amarande | does KDE have ridiculous bugs in its multimedia software under current etch like GNOME does? |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:20.10 | Amarande | abrotman: as in "can't play CDs on my setup unless I rip them first" |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | do you have the cable ? |
| 01:20.26 | abrotman | and with which player? |
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| 01:21.03 | Amarande | abrotman: no, I don't have the drive to soundcard cable set up. And in any case I still get silence or errors with CD players that play via digital extraction rather than thru the cable. |
| 01:21.16 | Amarande | I've tried the default gnome cd player, xmms, and grip |
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| 01:21.28 | abrotman | i don't have an audio CD handy though .. |
| 01:21.32 | Amarande | the gnome-cd works fine if there's no disc, but crashes if there is one (apparently that's a known bug) |
| 01:21.42 | Amarande | xmms and grip look like the CD is playing, but give silence |
| 01:21.53 | Amarande | as I said, I have to rip first to be able to play |
| 01:22.00 | valent|n0 | tar , gz, bz2 .. they all just the type of compression?? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | tar is not compression |
| 01:22.08 | Amarande | maybe it's an etch bug |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | Amarande: send me an audio CD .. i'll try it :) |
| 01:22.23 | valent|n0 | sorry tar.gz, tar.bz2 and tar.Z .. what are they? |
| 01:22.24 | Amarande | or some sort of oss/alsa crossover glitch |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | valent|n0: compressed tarballs |
| 01:22.32 | foadd | valent|n0, yes |
| 01:22.43 | valent|n0 | ic |
| 01:22.49 | Amarande | It's surprising how many programs still try to use OSS by default even though ALSA has been the de facto standard for years now. |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | Amarande: do you really want me to dig out a CD ? |
| 01:23.04 | valent|n0 | so they're like zip and rar , sort of? |
| 01:23.18 | abrotman | tar is a sticky ball of files |
| 01:23.29 | abrotman | zip/gzip are ways to compress files |
| 01:23.36 | \amethyst | Amarande: that's because ALSA provides OSS emu but not vice versa |
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| 01:24.19 | priyank | anyone here using urxvt ? |
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| 01:25.01 | priyank | i just installed urxvt, and ttf-bitstream-vera, but i get the following error |
| 01:25.07 | priyank | (~) prix $ urxvt |
| 01:25.07 | priyank | urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
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| 01:25.19 | priyank | anyone knows what could be wrong ? |
| 01:25.44 | valent|n0 | whats the gz bz2 and z |
| 01:25.52 | valent|n0 | sticky ball of files got it .. |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | compression techniques |
| 01:25.56 | valent|n0 | ic |
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| 01:26.04 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 01:26.08 | \amethyst | valent|n0: they are compression algorithms---they only compress a single file at a time, though |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | you could .. man gzip .. and read aboutit |
| 01:26.23 | valent|n0 | sort of :) |
| 01:26.29 | \amethyst | valent|n0: tar is kind of like zip without compression |
| 01:26.42 | \amethyst | valent|n0: so you use them together... it's the Unix philosophy! :) |
| 01:26.59 | abrotman | man tar .. read about it |
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| 01:27.50 | \amethyst | priyank: what about uxrvt -fn '-bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-m-*-iso10646-1'? |
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| 01:28.35 | cyrix | how do i switch off this monitor standby mode in x? |
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| 01:28.50 | priyank | \amethyst: same error |
| 01:29.37 | \amethyst | priyank: hmm |
| 01:29.40 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 01:29.40 | dpkg | dpms is probably know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 01:29.51 | \amethyst | priyank: does the font show up in gtkfontsel |
| 01:29.54 | \amethyst | ? |
| 01:30.08 | \amethyst | priyank: xfontsel if you don't have that |
| 01:30.35 | priyank | \amethyst: xfontsel only shows bitstream in fndry |
| 01:30.39 | priyank | \amethyst: not in family |
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| 01:31.32 | \amethyst | if you select bitstream in foundry, is there anything listed in family beyond maybe Charter and Courier 10? |
| 01:31.42 | \amethyst | and terminal |
| 01:31.50 | priyank | \amethyst: bitstream charter |
| 01:31.56 | priyank | and courier yes |
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| 01:33.26 | \amethyst | priyank: hmm.. have you restarted X or xfs since installing the fonts? |
| 01:33.41 | priyank | \amethyst: yes, |
| 01:34.03 | priyank | \amethyst: i even added the fontpath in Xorg.conf |
| 01:34.04 | \amethyst | priyank: then it's beyond me. Frankly, font handling in Linux scares the crap out of me |
| 01:34.13 | priyank | lol ok. |
| 01:34.31 | \amethyst | I guess it's a sign I'm getting old |
| 01:34.37 | priyank | lol maybe.. |
| 01:34.45 | priyank | \amethyst: whats your age ? :) |
| 01:34.52 | \amethyst | 25 :) |
| 01:34.54 | priyank | heh |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | fonts are for girls! |
| 01:35.21 | priyank | eww |
| 01:35.27 | priyank | abrotman: so what do you use ? |
| 01:35.36 | asg | priyank: he uses cake |
| 01:35.38 | \amethyst | cuneiform |
| 01:35.40 | priyank | lol |
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| 01:36.47 | abrotman | priyank: whatever the app/wm/os picks :) |
| 01:38.12 | \amethyst | One time, for some reason, all Qt applications on my system started using something stupid like roostheavy 16 as their default font |
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| 01:38.48 | foomonkey | The apt repositories I have been using don't seem to exist anymore. Where can I find a list of reliable apt repositories? |
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| 01:38.55 | answerguy | You got the roostheavy virus!!! :) |
| 01:38.59 | \amethyst | !mirrors |
| 01:39.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 01:39.01 | asg | foomonkey: what debian version are you using? |
| 01:39.22 | foadd | answerguy, heh |
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| 01:40.10 | obscuresoul | hi |
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| 01:41.40 | answerguy | So, about this Apache2 configuration bug (can't get cgi-bin files to execute --- it seems to pick up their mime.types first?) |
| 01:41.49 | answerguy | Should I report that as a bug? |
| 01:42.00 | answerguy | How do I search to see if it's already reported? |
| 01:42.05 | asg | answerguy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | or learn how to use apache :) |
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| 01:42.28 | answerguy | abrotman I have it working with my own config. |
| 01:42.29 | asg | abrotman: most early .usians learned how to use apache |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | asg: it wasn't .us then |
| 01:43.04 | asg | abrotman: .soon-to-be |
| 01:43.08 | answerguy | ... it was the Debian configuration that was broken |
| 01:43.32 | answerguy | European mostly didn't "use" the Apache --- mostly just slaughtered and displaced them. |
| 01:43.50 | asg | answerguy: the 'out of the box' configuration may have that disabled for security reasons. Check /usr/share/doc/<pkg> for additional post-install config issues or report it using the bts. |
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| 01:45.06 | answerguy | asg: It's sad that you don't know what you're talking about. The default configuration has ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and has a <Directory ...> section that clearly configures that to be a CGI directory. |
| 01:45.27 | answerguy | Those were there and they work in my configuration. |
| 01:45.46 | answerguy | However, somewhere ELSE in the default configuration is some stuff about mime_magic and mime.types which breaks it. |
| 01:46.13 | dondelelcaro | answerguy: the mime magic mimetypes shouldn't be breaking it, because the ScriptAlias overrides the default handler. |
| 01:46.29 | priyank | hey, i cant use my scroll wheel, anything i need to change in xorg.conf ? |
| 01:46.30 | asg | answerguy: then file a bug. I was just pointing you to possible explicative resources. I don't give a fuck, I don't use apache2. |
| 01:46.40 | answerguy | Now, if you wanna try to claim that I'm too stupid to know how to use the bloody thing, perhaps you should ask a little more before you show just who's really at the disadvantage. |
| 01:47.07 | dondelelcaro | answerguy: relax please; we're just trying to help you here. |
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| 01:47.11 | abrotman | we did claim that already :) |
| 01:47.12 | answerguy | dondelelcaro: I agree; it shouldn't be breaking it. But something sure as hell is. |
| 01:47.20 | abrotman | what do the error logs say? |
| 01:47.31 | answerguy | abrotman: I have it working. |
| 01:47.50 | abrotman | what DID they say? |
| 01:47.55 | dondelelcaro | answerguy: give us your full and complete apache configuration, the relevant access log and error log entries, as well as the output of ls -l in the cgi directory. |
| 01:47.59 | answerguy | BTW: the error and access logs showed entries that would be perfectly normal for accessing plain text/html files. |
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| 01:48.45 | jim__ | opps |
| 01:49.09 | answerguy | Everyone: Listen up for a second. I have a working configuration. It's not a problem with directories, nor with permissions. It's not a problem with the ScriptAlias or <Directory> blocks in the configuration. That's all WORKING! |
| 01:49.25 | dondelelcaro | answerguy: ok, so what is the problem? |
| 01:49.30 | answerguy | I was asking about how to search to see if the bug has already been reported to the maintainer. |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | he wants to file a bug on apache2 |
| 01:49.35 | obscuresoul | what's the package bind9-host for? |
| 01:49.48 | dondelelcaro | answerguy: which version of the apache2 package are you using? |
| 01:50.27 | answerguy | I can narrow down the specific diffs between my working /etc/apache2 and my /etc/BAD.apache2 to feed into a bug report. But it will take awhile and I want to see if the time will be wasted. |
| 01:50.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell answerguy -about bts |
| 01:51.01 | answerguy | I'm tracking unstable and I did a dist-upgrade last night. |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:51.24 | dondelelcaro | you'll find bugs.debian.org/apache2 and the respective bugs.debian.org/src:apache2 pages useful |
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| 01:51.46 | answerguy | However, it was broken before then (I don't know how long; it's just my testing system, and it was running MediaWiki (PHP) just find back in November when I installed it. |
| 01:51.48 | Mr_Molez | can someone help me, how do i change the language from german to english ? |
| 01:51.49 | idealm | I tried upgrade to the latest TEST. But the upgrade wasn't successful, which says Initscripts hadn't been installed. After that, ALSA doesn't work as well. How can I fix them ASAP? |
| 01:51.54 | \amethyst | answerguy: Some people aren't happy with a problem being fixed, that want to *solve* it :) |
| 01:51.57 | answerguy | That was still working; but PHP is handled by a module. |
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| 01:52.20 | abrotman | i don't recall having such an issue with sarge's apache2 and cgi-bin stuffs |
| 01:52.23 | dondelelcaro | idealm: you're going to have to give us a lot more detail than that |
| 01:52.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I haven't either. |
| 01:52.59 | answerguy | Yes. I'm not satisfied with merely have it working -- I want to make sure that it's fixed upstream, too; since this is something that should work "out of the box." |
| 01:53.00 | idealm | dondelelcaro: May I post them here? |
| 01:53.04 | bucky | unstable is always broken.. that's the point |
| 01:53.07 | dondelelcaro | idealm: use the paster bot to do that |
| 01:53.47 | answerguy | bucky: and it'll stay that way if no one takes the time to report the bugs. (But reporting duplicates will just slow everyone, down, too). |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | i'm still not sure it's a bug |
| 01:54.23 | answerguy | I just got a note from some BTS bug I submitted like five years ago BTW. So the BTS system isn't totally new to me --- just long forgotten. |
| 01:54.33 | idealm | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:54.33 | idealm | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:54.33 | idealm | Correcting dependencies... Done |
| 01:54.33 | idealm | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
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| 01:54.42 | abrotman | so much for the pastebot :) |
| 01:54.53 | De_Mon | zaptel: no version for "crc_ccitt_table" found: kernel tainted. |
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| 01:55.09 | asg | abrotman: easy come, easy go |
| 01:55.10 | De_Mon | is that a meaningful message to anyone? |
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| 01:55.37 | azeem | De_Mon: it means that module has no license assigned |
| 01:55.41 | azeem | and is considered non-free |
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| 01:56.03 | answerguy | De_Mon: sounds like you have some sort of linmodem or other proprietary modem or telco driver loaded into your kernel. |
| 01:56.05 | Mr_Molez | can someone help me, how do i change the language from german to english ? |
| 01:56.06 | De_Mon | azeem the no version for "crc_ccitt_table" found isn't bad? |
| 01:56.20 | asg | Mr_Molez: /msg dpkg locales |
| 01:56.30 | azeem | De_Mon: hrm, no sure |
| 01:56.35 | answerguy | De_Mon: it's a warning, not really an error. |
| 01:56.51 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: it shouldn't make much of a difference; it just means it's missing the versioning information |
| 01:56.55 | Mr_Molez | asg: thanks |
| 01:57.10 | idealm | dondelelcaro: Sorry. I didn't want to flood here. May you tell me how to post error messages via PASTER Bot? |
| 01:57.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell idealm -about paster |
| 01:57.25 | De_Mon | ok, thanks guys |
| 01:57.26 | azeem | does it taint the kernel when the version cannot be checked? |
| 01:57.38 | answerguy | Basically it's saying: "If you have stability problems, don't go crying to the kernel folks or anyone else in the free software world. Beat up on the proprietary vendor first ... or prove that the problem isn't caused by that driver. |
| 01:57.43 | azeem | as it might introduce interoperability issues? |
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| 01:57.53 | De_Mon | the module is non-free so tainting was expected |
| 01:58.15 | dondelelcaro | azeem: dunno; I haven't worked with that bit of the kernel enough to know. |
| 02:00.35 | Azar | :) this is so funny! |
| 02:00.49 | Wiseguy | hey guys, i used the dos jigdo util to d/l the deb dvd, but for some reason it looks like its d/ling a bunch of .deb files to debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir whats goin on? |
| 02:00.58 | Azar | o/t for a smile: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0207061canada1.html?link=rssfeed |
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| 02:01.01 | idealm | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1775 |
| 02:01.11 | drusscol | what can I use to compare directory X and directory Y, which are mostly the same, and see which files aren't in Y or are newer in Y? |
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| 02:01.21 | asg | drusscol: diff |
| 02:01.50 | drusscol | can diff tell me which files are newer? can it recurse? (going to look at man page) |
| 02:01.56 | fas3r | when i install debian where are the .config ? |
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| 02:02.01 | abrotman | /boot/ |
| 02:02.06 | asg | drusscol: diff -r (for recurse) |
| 02:02.08 | jim__ | dondelcaro - I have another computer that I am unablee to type in this channel with, can you help me? |
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| 02:02.12 | Azar | drusscol: I am a newbie but Id open two xterms and open each file side by side and start scanning with my eyes |
| 02:02.17 | YerMineSDEUIL | !bonsoirs |
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| 02:02.44 | answerguy | drusscol: as you can see most people use diff; personally I prefer comm (finds lines in "comm"-on between two file. |
| 02:02.55 | fas3r | the .config for the option of the default kernel ? |
| 02:03.31 | fas3r | oki thank abrotman i haven't see |
| 02:03.34 | asg | fas3r: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 02:05.54 | jim__ | while trying to type in this channel from a different computer / user I get the message #debian : cannot send to channel? ANy help here? |
| 02:05.56 | answerguy | comm -3 <(ls $DIR1) <(ls $DIR2) |
| 02:06.01 | jim__ | or know why this is happeneing |
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| 02:06.57 | answerguy | That works under bash 2.x; it lists files unique to DIR1 in one column, files unique to DIR2 indented by a [Tab] (in a second 'columns" of sorts). |
| 02:07.04 | asg | jim__: you aren't registered or aren't in the channel |
| 02:07.06 | De_Mon | udev breaks particularly often in unstable eh? |
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| 02:07.26 | asg | De_Mon: it has been known to do that in recent times |
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| 02:07.58 | Eleth | server irc.zirc.net |
| 02:08.15 | alephant | My kernel package is kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 02:08.20 | dabreegster | Hey. udev does not appear to see either of my CD drives still. The right cdrom modules are loaded, but I don't have a /dev/cdrom, let alone a /dev/hdc |
| 02:08.23 | alephant | How do I install the source package for that kernel? |
| 02:08.26 | Tortel | hmm, whenever i use apt, my CPU useage goes to a solid 100% for a few minutes, then starts to work |
| 02:08.36 | Tortel | and I have a 3.23ghz P4 |
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| 02:09.58 | Amarande | dabreegster: make sure the modules actually work and aren't just loaded |
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| 02:10.08 | valent|n0 | how do you get motherboard info video chipset info? |
| 02:10.10 | alephant | What is the source package for 2.6 kernels? |
| 02:10.16 | valent|n0 | is there a tools for it |
| 02:10.21 | Amarande | use mknod to make a similar device node elsewhere, and see if it mounts |
| 02:10.23 | Azar | valent|n0: type lspci |
| 02:10.24 | De_Mon | valent|n0 lspci |
| 02:10.27 | asg | valent|n0: lspci most likely |
| 02:10.37 | hypl | heh |
| 02:10.39 | dabreegster | Amarande: How? They're obviously not, since I don't have anything but hda (my hard drive) |
| 02:10.39 | Tortel | lspci apartently |
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| 02:10.45 | dabreegster | Amarande: OK |
| 02:10.54 | asg | Tortel: unless he has a vesa local bus video card |
| 02:11.11 | Tortel | hey, i was just repeating what the smart people said |
| 02:11.27 | Tortel | here is my chance to be stupid |
| 02:12.17 | Tortel | mr teacher? |
| 02:12.20 | alephant | hello? 2.6.11 kernel source? |
| 02:12.42 | hypl | alephant |
| 02:12.44 | Tortel | look for a $kernelpackage-headers package |
| 02:12.47 | jim__ | asg - how do I register? |
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| 02:12.56 | asg | jim__: /msg dpkg nickserv help |
| 02:13.03 | asg | jim__: sorry, /msg nickserv help |
| 02:13.06 | hypl | do u want to install a new kernel? |
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| 02:13.19 | alephant | hypl - No, I want to patch the orinoco_cs drivers |
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| 02:13.39 | dabreegster | Amarande: I wasn't sure of the major/minor numbers of the device, but I don't think it worked |
| 02:13.52 | hypl | ohh so ur just looking for the source on ur box |
| 02:14.02 | amphi | !ur |
| 02:14.02 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 02:14.11 | BoltActnAssault | !poop |
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| 02:14.17 | alephant | hypl, I'm trying to *install* the source on my box. |
| 02:14.19 | Amarande | hmm, let me see if I can find a suitable devices.txt online |
| 02:14.23 | Amarande | since I'm currently not in Linux |
| 02:14.31 | hypl | alephant base-conf as root |
| 02:14.38 | hypl | go to install packages |
| 02:14.40 | asg | !lart BoltActnAssault |
| 02:14.43 | hypl | and type / |
| 02:14.46 | alephant | `` apt-cache search kernel | grep 2.6.11'' only returns the kernel-image package, no "source" |
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| 02:14.52 | hypl | then tyep kernel |
| 02:14.57 | adub | does anyone in here run vmware?? |
| 02:15.08 | alephant | hypl, I understand how to use aptitude :-) |
| 02:15.19 | TraceGreen | adub, just tell us your problem |
| 02:15.19 | hypl | lol well ur asking how to install it |
| 02:15.24 | hypl | thats how i did it |
| 02:15.26 | Azar | !ur |
| 02:15.27 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 02:15.30 | alephant | No, I'm not >:-D |
| 02:15.37 | jim__ | asg - my username is already registered there - I used to be able to type fine in this channel until recently - was I banned or something? |
| 02:15.57 | hypl | "hypl, I'm trying to *install* the source on my box." |
| 02:16.03 | alephant | I'm asking (a) what the proper name is for such a thing and (b) YTF I don't seem to have a package for this kernel version available |
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| 02:16.05 | Azar | jim__: you are not the only jim here |
| 02:16.15 | adub | TraceGreen here is the problem in vmware anytime i have network adapter connected windows guest operating system crashes |
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| 02:16.31 | adub | even on isntalling the network on the installation part |
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| 02:16.35 | asg | jim__: that I don't know, an op would be able to tell you if you were banned for some reason. |
| 02:16.39 | alephant | but fsck it, I'll just dl the bz2 from kernel.org |
| 02:16.44 | adub | the install crashes i ahve to delete the network adapter for windows to even install |
| 02:16.52 | hypl | arite |
| 02:17.12 | Wyzard | Out of curiosity, does anyone know how likely it is that unstable will switch the default Python version from 2.3 to 2.4 sometime soon? |
| 02:17.13 | Amarande | dabreegster: is your CD primary slave or secondary master? |
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| 02:17.41 | alephant | Wyzard, I don't |
| 02:17.44 | dabreegster | Amarande: Not quite sure |
| 02:17.49 | Azar | hypl take your spanglish in pm |
| 02:18.21 | hypl | heh sorry :D |
| 02:18.26 | alephant | Wyzard - but I plan on (when I get around to it) submitting a bug to BTS complaining that the current 2.3 is subject to the threads-in-restricted-mode bug |
| 02:18.42 | alephant | which should at least open the discussion of "switch to 2.4" a bit further |
| 02:18.44 | dabreegster | Amarande: There are only messages about hda in dmesg. I don't think udev can make a cdrom sylink for it because it doesn't even seem to see the IDE device at all |
| 02:19.08 | asg | Wyzard: python2.4 is available in sarge. The default is 2.3 but installing 2.4 is simple. |
| 02:19.12 | hypl | im out |
| 02:19.13 | hypl | peace |
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| 02:19.15 | Wyzard | alephant: It also suffers from the fact that there's no python2.3-dbus package anymore |
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| 02:19.43 | Wyzard | asg: I know, but there are packaged apps which just use "python" and hence get 2.3 |
| 02:19.59 | alephant | Wyzard, if I submit my bug will you jump on it? |
| 02:20.07 | marina | hello |
| 02:20.16 | asg | Wyzard: in stable or are you referring to unstable? |
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| 02:20.19 | marina | what 's up |
| 02:20.25 | Amarande | dabreegster: primary slave is major 3, minor 64. secondary master is major 22, minor 0. |
| 02:20.29 | alephant | Freaking heck, 2.3 as "default" needs to be bulletproof, not "Almost". |
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| 02:20.38 | Amarande | Both block devices. |
| 02:20.38 | De_Mon | crap i just mounted tmpfs to /dev over my udev devices and can't unmount it now |
| 02:20.44 | dabreegster | Amarande: OK |
| 02:20.45 | alephant | It's this bug, fyi: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1163563&group_id=5470&atid=105470 |
| 02:20.49 | marina | someone want to talk |
| 02:20.51 | Amarande | Try mknod'ing such device nodes somewhere and see if they respond. |
| 02:20.55 | jim__ | asg - whois an op here? |
| 02:21.03 | Azar | marina ask your question |
| 02:21.08 | asg | jim__: dondelelcaro was on recently as was azeem |
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| 02:21.20 | marina | i don't have question! Just want to talk |
| 02:21.34 | Wyzard | alephant: Well, the dbus problem is already documented in a bug, but it's affecting me in particular since I'm trying to use Gajim's dbus support |
| 02:21.35 | alephant | I don't want to talk, marina. |
| 02:21.35 | marina | Azar: are you using Debian |
| 02:21.36 | asg | marina: then /join #hottub |
| 02:21.53 | De_Mon | do people in #hottub use debian? |
| 02:21.55 | mfrisch | there'sa #hottub?! |
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| 02:22.05 | foadd | heh |
| 02:22.07 | asg | mfrisch: there will be if you join |
| 02:22.08 | alephant | If I had a #hottub, I'd sit in there with my laptop |
| 02:22.16 | dabreegster | Amarande: Neither work. Mounting with a CD in there results in "Unable to identify CD-ROM format." |
| 02:22.23 | De_Mon | I wish my laptop was waterproof & floated |
| 02:22.40 | alephant | I just wish my laptop had more RAM |
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| 02:23.59 | poli | Anyone know how to solve the Vcc=33 (constant), Vcc=50 (from config) problem with hostap? I have the same CS working on another laptop, and it is a 3.3, setting ignore_cvs_vcc will get it to 5.0 but it won't work. I have seen way too many emails about that issue but not one single solution and hostap list server is down, so, no way to track, only google cache. Thanks. |
| 02:24.18 | alephant | holy cow. Sorry poli, no idea :) |
| 02:24.34 | poli | alephant: :) |
| 02:24.37 | Azar | wow linux ice cream machines at DEMO |
| 02:24.54 | alephant | scp me a chocolate, willya? |
| 02:25.16 | jml6 | does anyone know where I can go to download kernel headers? I can not find the ones I'm looking for on the pdo.debian.org site... I can't use apt-get, no internet |
| 02:25.16 | dabreegster | Amarande: There's not even a directory for hdc/hdd in /proc/ide. I think the problem might run deeper |
| 02:25.20 | marina | Azar: where are you |
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| 02:26.03 | Amarande | dabreegster: are the IDE cables securely connected? |
| 02:26.13 | poli | jml6: there are kernel headers packages as .deb. Search kernel-hearder in aptitude. |
| 02:26.42 | dabreegster | Amarande: I did mess around in there recently, so probably not. I was just wodering if it could somehow be a software thing. |
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| 02:26.53 | dabreegster | Amarande: It's probably that. I'll pop open the case later. Thanks though. |
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| 02:27.40 | jml6 | poli: aptitude can only search my Disc 1, i have no internet access yet |
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| 02:28.37 | poli | jml6: then install using dpkg (man dpkg). So you can install having the kernel-headers file (in one of the other CDs) |
| 02:28.50 | abrotman | dabreegster: check dmesg .. check the bios |
| 02:29.09 | jml6 | poli: I have only disc 1 |
| 02:29.20 | dabreegster | abrotman: The BIOS didn't seem to see it either. I guess I'll check the cables |
| 02:29.34 | poli | jml6: Download the kernel-header file you want from .deb repository. |
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| 02:29.38 | abrotman | dabreegster: check jumper settings also |
| 02:29.46 | jml6 | poli: the site is down |
| 02:29.59 | poli | jml6: there are a number of mirrors. |
| 02:29.59 | dabreegster | abrotman: OK |
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| 02:30.09 | Chico_KDE | I've to go, bye |
| 02:30.10 | mfrisch | jml6: goto a mirror and browse the ftp |
| 02:30.26 | Azar | so jml6 you do not have a connection, and you do not have the CDs but you want to install a kernel? |
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| 02:31.02 | jml6 | Azar: i only need kernel headers, I'm just going to install the driver for my wlan card |
| 02:31.20 | Azar | jml6: you have a connection or not? |
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| 02:32.14 | jml6 | Azar: ah yes, I do have a physical connection |
| 02:32.24 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.28 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.49 | Azar | jml6: if you have a connection use apt-cache search and apt-get install |
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| 02:33.02 | abrotman | jml6: aren't you a temple student? |
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| 02:33.19 | poli | Azar: he has no Network interface on that machine yet, as far as I understand. |
| 02:33.24 | jml6 | Azar: I cannot do that yet, my wlan driver is not installed |
| 02:33.32 | jml6 | abrotman: yup |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | damn .. they'll let anyone in these days |
| 02:33.44 | abrotman | jml6: you have no 10/100 ? |
| 02:33.44 | Azar | ok .... so how do you think you will be able to reach it, and install it? |
| 02:33.45 | mfrisch | yup |
| 02:33.55 | poli | jml6: Get to a mirror ftp, download the hearders file you need (should be a couple MB) and take it on some storage media to the debian box, use dpkg -i to install. |
| 02:33.57 | jml6 | abrotman: I'm at home |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | home has no 10/100 ? |
| 02:34.58 | Azar | poli, maybe I am dumb , how can he use any ftp or http if has no network interface on that machine? |
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| 02:35.19 | poli | Azar: He will download using the machine he is using right now. |
| 02:35.27 | jml6 | Azar: I'm online right now duder |
| 02:35.34 | jml6 | Azar: on this PC |
| 02:35.37 | Azar | poli, ah ok |
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| 02:35.59 | Azar | pain in the.. download, burn, install |
| 02:36.08 | jml6 | abrotman: no, only neighbors wifi router |
| 02:36.18 | \amethyst | USB drive |
| 02:36.27 | abrotman | jml6: theif! |
| 02:36.38 | De_Mon | hmm.. If I'm connecting to a machine using /dev/ttyS0 and udev isn't creating the device... how do I get in? |
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| 02:36.48 | abrotman | jml6: so you don't have the CD .. and you don't have apt-get .. what do you have ? |
| 02:36.50 | poli | jml6: Do as I told you. Get to a mirror ftp download the kernel-headers-x.x.x-x.deb you need (x.x.x-x must match your uname -a kernel version) put it into some storage and do a dpkg -i kernel-headers-x.x.x . etc |
| 02:36.55 | \amethyst | De_Mon: are the serial modules loaded? |
| 02:36.55 | De_Mon | I have a feeling I seriously screwed the pooch |
| 02:37.02 | De_Mon | Amarande yeah |
| 02:37.17 | Amarande | is your motherboard PC Chips? |
| 02:37.28 | De_Mon | \amethyst doubt it |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | better than Sun Chips |
| 02:37.36 | jml6 | poli: I heard you the first time, I'm still looking for the package. I know how to identify and install it though. |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | jml6: what kernel do you have? |
| 02:37.49 | De_Mon | nickcomplete isn't intutitive enough :P |
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| 02:38.09 | mfrisch | poli: I told him too |
| 02:38.17 | jml6 | abrotman: I've got an etch installation, thats it. and 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 02:38.18 | poli | jml6: hear the second time, too: uname -a will tell you your kernel version. Match the hearders to that version. (probably 2.6.8-2-x86) |
| 02:38.29 | jml6 | poli: I realize that |
| 02:38.36 | De_Mon | \amethyst why do you ask? |
| 02:38.38 | mfrisch | do you? |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | jml6: so you're in windows ? |
| 02:38.45 | jml6 | abrotman: yes |
| 02:39.13 | \amethyst | De_Mon: try modprobe serial |
| 02:39.18 | poli | jml6: etch?! |
| 02:39.20 | \amethyst | De_Mon: does that create the devices? |
| 02:39.25 | De_Mon | \amethyst from what? |
| 02:39.29 | jml6 | etch |
| 02:39.29 | \amethyst | as root |
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| 02:40.06 | De_Mon | \amethyst the serial port that I would login through doesn't exist |
| 02:40.17 | \amethyst | ah... |
| 02:40.19 | \amethyst | err |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | jml6: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 02:40.32 | \amethyst | so you have no way to run commands on that machine? |
| 02:40.54 | asg | \amethyst: everytime you say anything, I'm back in LaTex debug mode. Stop it :) |
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| 02:40.58 | abrotman | jml6: that's the closest i can come up with .. download that .. burn to a CD .. reboot to linux .. dpkg -i <file> ... do your stuff .. be happy .. drink beer |
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| 02:41.04 | De_Mon | \amethyst that's what it looks like :/ |
| 02:41.07 | mfrisch | abrotman: you should get a consulting fee! |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | mfrisch: i do! |
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| 02:41.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: just not for this :) |
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| 02:41.52 | mfrisch | :-( |
| 02:41.57 | \amethyst | asg: you could think of it as an ascii art λ |
| 02:42.12 | marina | i love debian |
| 02:42.14 | jml6 | dammit |
| 02:42.19 | asg | \amethyst: touche |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | what?! |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | asg: is that a dirty french touch ? |
| 02:42.38 | marina | tem alguem do brasil |
| 02:42.40 | \amethyst | abrotman: not configured for unicode, are you? |
| 02:42.49 | asg | abrotman: or a bird beak cleanser |
| 02:42.54 | asg | !tell marina about br |
| 02:43.01 | jml6 | abrotman: Its not gonna install, I'm pretty sure it depends on kernel-headers-2.6.12-1.deb |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 02:43.17 | poli | marina: #debian-br or PVT me. |
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| 02:43.19 | jml6 | are you sure? |
| 02:43.23 | abrotman | jml6: oh .. yes it does |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | jml6: http://pdo.debian.net/testing/devel/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 02:43.33 | abrotman | jml6: so get that too |
| 02:43.44 | jml6 | wow you found it for me too :) thanks man! |
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| 02:44.03 | owercrash | Hello |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | jml6: i'm taking away your temple student id .. and suing temple for false advertising! |
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| 02:44.24 | owercrash | some onde talks Portuguese: |
| 02:44.28 | jml6 | abrotman: why...? |
| 02:44.29 | marina | oi amor |
| 02:44.33 | asg | !tell owercrash about br |
| 02:44.34 | owercrash | Oi amor |
| 02:44.38 | marina | oie |
| 02:44.41 | marina | tudo certo |
| 02:44.46 | kspath | !br |
| 02:44.46 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:44.48 | owercrash | asg: br is wunderfull |
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| 02:45.22 | asg | owercrash: So I've heard; this isn't the place for discussions in Portuguese, however. |
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| 02:47.55 | jml6 | abrotman: thanks this should work well |
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| 02:48.44 | magyar | any news on a flash player for amd64? |
| 02:48.47 | magyar | plugin |
| 02:50.06 | poli | Was it that hard to understand, jml6? |
| 02:50.16 | poli | Oh... gone. |
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| 02:51.05 | cartufer | i fuxxored my mbr, any help? |
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| 02:51.17 | poli | cartufer: including partition list? |
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| 02:51.26 | cartufer | Nowak, i don't think so |
| 02:51.42 | \amethyst | cartufer: do you have anything you can boot from? |
| 02:51.49 | \amethyst | CD or something |
| 02:51.57 | \amethyst | running linux |
| 02:52.05 | cartufer | just tried grub and it wouldn't load my distro so i tried lilo and now grub shows error 15 |
| 02:52.05 | Wettoad | Here is a fun one, can autofs start a program which asks for user input and then runs mount? |
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| 02:52.12 | cartufer | i'm on the pc now, knoppix std |
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| 02:52.19 | sanmarcos | how do I scan for wireless APs in linux? |
| 02:52.25 | \amethyst | which do you want to use? |
| 02:52.29 | Wettoad | sanmarcos: iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 02:52.32 | poli | sanmarcos: apt-get install kismet |
| 02:52.33 | cartufer | sanmarcos, wavemon |
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| 02:52.59 | asg | Wettoad: well, automount can map to a program so presumably you could do it |
| 02:53.03 | sanmarcos | Wettoad:I tried iwlist, and I get interface doesnt support scanning: operation not supported |
| 02:53.08 | centrx | How can I diagnose the source of my sound no longer working after upgrading to kernel-image-2.6.15 with udev? |
| 02:53.11 | \amethyst | cartufer: which boot loader do you want to use? |
| 02:53.21 | cartufer | lilo, grub was junk for me |
| 02:53.28 | Wettoad | asg: i tired a basic bash script that just echos some sutff and i never see it |
| 02:53.35 | sanmarcos | I have a Netgear MA311 (Prism2 I believe), and I could scan on windows |
| 02:53.41 | Wettoad | asg: using the program option of course |
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| 02:53.46 | \amethyst | cartufer: and you had a working lilo.conf before trying grub? |
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| 02:54.23 | cartufer | i had lilo working from wut damn small linux gave me |
| 02:54.30 | cartufer | i just need grub out |
| 02:54.49 | asg | Wettoad: well, you may have to be more direct in specifying where the output goes; stdout when the map is run will not be your terminal, etc. |
| 02:55.01 | mfrisch | cartufer: change lilo.conf for the boot=/dev/hda |
| 02:55.02 | Wettoad | hemm ok, i'll look in that |
| 02:55.06 | \amethyst | So mount the partition, and run chroot /path/to/partition lilo |
| 02:55.13 | sanmarcos | centrx: drop udev, it breaks everything |
| 02:55.37 | \amethyst | centrx: do you have two sound cards by any chance? |
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| 02:55.54 | cartufer | not partition, whichever partition i set active does grub error, i need to redo mbr |
| 02:55.56 | \amethyst | and it will use the partition/etc/lilo.conf |
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| 02:56.19 | \amethyst | I mean, you need your to mount your hard drive |
| 02:56.25 | \amethyst | so you can run lilo off the hard drive |
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| 02:56.30 | \amethyst | it needs to find your kernel etc |
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| 02:57.11 | \amethyst | lilo installs on the MBR in most configurations |
| 02:57.29 | poli | Anyony know how to solve hostap Vcc=33 (constant), Vcc=50 (config) problem? Board is actually 33 and ignore_cis_vcc=1 won't do the trick. |
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| 02:57.36 | cartufer | ya, but idk if it did, cause grub still shows |
| 02:57.53 | Thanatermesis | any person knows why i can't ping to my localhost or 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 02:58.02 | centrx | sanmarcos, it shouldn't be required by the kernel-image package then :) |
| 02:58.23 | \amethyst | cartufer: then make sure lilo.conf says something like boot=/dev/hda |
| 02:58.28 | \amethyst | and not boot=/dev/hda1 |
| 02:58.30 | cartufer | it does |
| 02:58.36 | cartufer | hda, right |
| 02:58.41 | Wettoad | asg: ok i got the script output in syslog, i can probably get it from here, thanks for the confirmation that i am not crazy |
| 02:58.49 | cartufer | i tried lilo -M /dev/hda |
| 02:58.52 | asg | Wettoad: you're welcome |
| 02:58.58 | cartufer | but it says read on ly file system |
| 02:59.06 | cartufer | means i gotta mount an mbr? |
| 02:59.10 | cartufer | only* |
| 02:59.59 | \amethyst | cartufer: the one you create with lilo -M will require you to have a bootloader on the partition |
| 03:00.31 | \amethyst | cartufer: just run lilo -C lilo.conf |
| 03:00.41 | cartufer | i think i got boot loader on hda2 ext2 |
| 03:01.12 | \amethyst | cartufer: so you did lilo -M and it didn't replace grub? |
| 03:01.15 | cartufer | says please edit at or above line 20 |
| 03:01.22 | \amethyst | is it possible grub put a boot loader on hda1? |
| 03:01.31 | cartufer | said read only file system when i did that |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | gravity: i thought 7.0 was going to experimental ? |
| 03:01.50 | cartufer | amet, i tried active on either partition, nothing |
| 03:02.04 | cartufer | hda1 is windows |
| 03:02.12 | simonrvn | grub *is* a boot loader |
| 03:02.14 | sanmarcos | How come when I try to iwlist eth0 scan with my NETGEAR MA311 pci wireless card which is a Prism 2.5 chipset, I get operation not supported? |
| 03:02.23 | \amethyst | cartufer: what said read only? |
| 03:02.36 | cartufer | lilo -M /dev/hda |
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| 03:03.18 | Niacin | what package is lsusb part of? |
| 03:03.25 | cartufer | fatal: creat /boot/boot.0300: read-only file system |
| 03:03.32 | \amethyst | cartufer: aha |
| 03:03.42 | \amethyst | cartufer: remount /boot -o remount,rw |
| 03:03.44 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:03.46 | \amethyst | cartufer: mount /boot -o remount,rw |
| 03:03.56 | \amethyst | actually |
| 03:04.03 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:04.36 | cartufer | can't find /boot in /etc/fstab |
| 03:04.52 | \amethyst | is fstab from the HD or the CD? |
| 03:05.00 | cartufer | remount gave command not found |
| 03:05.07 | cartufer | i'm running in live cd |
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| 03:05.09 | \amethyst | ah |
| 03:05.09 | \amethyst | ok |
| 03:05.16 | \amethyst | you have your hd mounted in a directory? |
| 03:05.19 | \amethyst | is is it root? |
| 03:05.31 | cartufer | nothing is mounted that i know of |
| 03:05.37 | [Kasparov] | there is a winmodem with opensource drive? |
| 03:05.38 | \amethyst | you need to mount your hard drive |
| 03:05.51 | cartufer | which partition? |
| 03:05.57 | poli | Niacin: usbutils |
| 03:06.24 | \amethyst | cartufer: at least root partition, and your boot partition mounted beneath that |
| 03:06.28 | poli | Niacin: package search on debian.org is offline. That sucks. |
| 03:06.35 | Niacin | yea ;\ |
| 03:06.36 | asg | poli: /topic |
| 03:06.43 | \amethyst | cartufer: you need /sbin/lilo, /etc/lilo.conf, and /boot |
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| 03:06.47 | cartufer | i keep boot loader and root file system on hda2 |
| 03:06.49 | Niacin | poli what about lspci ? |
| 03:07.03 | QQmelo | !es |
| 03:07.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:07.03 | mhall | PINTO |
| 03:07.10 | asg | shit |
| 03:07.13 | asg | Oh Bugger |
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| 03:07.34 | abrotman | asg: you swore! |
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| 03:07.51 | asg | abrotman: I said fuck earlier. I have only said that 4 or 5 times in 3 years |
| 03:08.05 | cartufer | hda2 mounted and lilo -M /dev/hda is still bad |
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| 03:08.12 | abrotman | asg: i think #-ot is rubbing off on you :) |
| 03:08.22 | NomadX | hello.. how can I force dpkg to install i386 binaries on an AMD64 machine.. it's my understanding that they should run natively... |
| 03:08.31 | cartufer | i got a command for install-mbr but idk how to config it |
| 03:08.42 | poli | Niacin: guess what? pciutils, and pdo (/topic) search is online. |
| 03:08.42 | NomadX | must I chroot? |
| 03:08.48 | asg | abrotman: as long as it isn't in the /topic |
| 03:08.51 | Amarande | NomadX: you can't run i386 binaries without i386 libs |
| 03:08.56 | \amethyst | cartufer: mount /dev/hda2 /somewhere (make sure it's read-write), then chroot /somewhere lilo |
| 03:09.01 | Amarande | you could, for instance, run just the AMD64 kernel and all i386 bins |
| 03:09.03 | Niacin | poli the binary for lspci isn't in the pciutils rpm i found |
| 03:09.12 | poli | Niacin: RPM?! |
| 03:09.21 | cartufer | how i mount it for read/write? |
| 03:09.21 | Niacin | heh last resort! |
| 03:09.29 | NomadX | Amarande, but I cant mix and match w/out chroot? |
| 03:09.30 | \amethyst | cartufer: add -o rw |
| 03:09.46 | poli | Niacin: My system AND pdo.debian.net says it is in the .deb. |
| 03:09.55 | Niacin | ok thanks |
| 03:09.59 | abrotman | Niacin: you installed an RPM on your system to replace system utilities? |
| 03:10.08 | Niacin | no i extracted the rpm |
| 03:10.08 | Amarande | NomadX: pretty much. |
| 03:10.08 | sjr_ | haha |
| 03:10.14 | Azar | \0/ |
| 03:10.20 | NomadX | Amarande, bummer |
| 03:10.26 | Amarande | even if you managed to install only 32-bit and 64-bit binaries that had almost no shlibs in common |
| 03:10.28 | Amarande | there'd still be libc |
| 03:10.38 | Niacin | i'm trying to build a rootfs |
| 03:10.42 | NomadX | hmm yea I see your point |
| 03:10.43 | Niacin | just finished booting linux on my msntv :> |
| 03:10.49 | \amethyst | Niacin: have you heard of alien? |
| 03:10.49 | cartufer | fatal: open /dev/hda: permission denied |
| 03:10.53 | Niacin | \amethyst yea |
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| 03:10.55 | \amethyst | cartufer: you have to be root |
| 03:10.57 | peej | NomadX : you could force it with a --force-install, but that is probably evil. Are the 386 libs there? |
| 03:11.02 | _slash | hi guys |
| 03:11.03 | cartufer | i am |
| 03:11.15 | cartufer | i did sudo su a while back in the shell |
| 03:11.34 | _slash | I problem with tftp |
| 03:11.34 | NomadX | peej, I have a /usr/lib and a /usr/lib32 ... |
| 03:11.36 | Amarande | sudo su? I thought you just needed su :) |
| 03:11.36 | \amethyst | cartufer: id says you are, just to make sure? |
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| 03:11.57 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:11.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:12.07 | cartufer | root@ttyp0[knoppix]# |
| 03:12.12 | \amethyst | Amarande: avoiding the password |
| 03:12.15 | _slash | when I try 'get' or 'put' file its says timeout |
| 03:12.22 | _slash | can somebody help me? |
| 03:12.23 | abrotman | ask #knoppix ? |
| 03:12.29 | \amethyst | sudo should do keys |
| 03:12.45 | \amethyst | I guess it can with pam |
| 03:12.46 | \amethyst | blah |
| 03:13.00 | cartufer | knoppix is debian based :P |
| 03:13.04 | \amethyst | _slash: connecting through any firewalls? |
| 03:13.15 | sanmarcos | how can I make debian use eth1 for internet rather than eth0 ? |
| 03:13.15 | mhall | tam: tried to screw with any more female users lately? |
| 03:13.17 | Azar | cartufer: knoppix is NOT debian |
| 03:13.19 | jjazz | !based on debian |
| 03:13.19 | dpkg | methinks based on debian is Sorry you're not running Debian, but something based off of it. If you're lucky you might get help in #debian, otherwise your best bet is to use the support channel for your chosen distro. If people tell you to go there, please don't argue/complain or demand support |
| 03:13.22 | poli | Damn! I need a decent Wi-fi PCMCIA board... any suggestions what will worj with vanilla install kernel? |
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| 03:13.31 | Amarande | sanmarcos: you need to set it to defaultroute thru eth1 |
| 03:13.44 | sanmarcos | Amarande: how? |
| 03:13.49 | peej | NomadX: one way to find out - try it and see. ldd the binary, see what libs it wants. |
| 03:13.50 | abrotman | poli: http://linux-wlan.org/ |
| 03:14.00 | Amarande | sanmarcos: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:14.00 | \amethyst | cartufer: is /dev/hda2 mode 444 or something? |
| 03:14.12 | sanmarcos | Amarande: yeah, and? |
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| 03:14.22 | mhall | poli: atheros |
| 03:14.26 | NomadX | peej, yeah what the heck, this isnt a mission critical machine after all :) |
| 03:14.34 | \amethyst | Azar: cartufer is using a knoppix CD to fix a debian install |
| 03:14.35 | peej | _slash: tftp is tricky. use tftpd-hpa |
| 03:14.41 | mhall | poli: if you go to fry's electronics and buy a 108 megabit airlink offbrand one that will work |
| 03:14.42 | Amarande | sanmarcos: dangit |
| 03:14.47 | mhall | poli: also outpost.com has these |
| 03:14.50 | Amarande | it's been such a long time since I've had multiple network interfaces |
| 03:14.52 | _Sam-- | hi i have a machine with no compiler...if i want to move a module from another machine there, .ko....how do i make the machine know about this new module |
| 03:14.54 | Amarande | that I can't quite remember just how |
| 03:14.59 | poli | mhall, abrotman: thanks |
| 03:15.09 | Amarande | try 'man interfaces' |
| 03:15.16 | sanmarcos | Amarande: I just need my network out to go through eth1 I have an auto eht1 line in there |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | _Sam--: depmod -a |
| 03:15.34 | poli | _Sam--: depmod -a or just rebooting should do the trick. |
| 03:15.36 | peej | _slash : then rtfm (it differs from normal tftp) and try connecting locally. |
| 03:15.41 | _Sam-- | thanks! |
| 03:16.14 | raf256 | Chuck Norris can make entire lib KDE binary run on CPU registers. Only. |
| 03:16.34 | _Sam-- | perfect..thanks again. |
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| 03:16.54 | Azar | I take it the debian sarge install force grub default? there is no choice at install time? |
| 03:17.01 | \amethyst | Chuck Norris does not use an x86 |
| 03:17.08 | cold`n`lonely`em | <--- cartufer |
| 03:17.17 | peej | _slash : what's it for? |
| 03:17.29 | cold`n`lonely`em | laptop in question decided to be upset |
| 03:17.45 | _slash | \amethyst: no... no firewall at all |
| 03:17.52 | abrotman | didn't we just fucking tell you to go to #knoppix ? |
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| 03:18.13 | dondelelcaro | Azar: use expert mode. |
| 03:18.21 | _slash | peej: need a tftp server for my cisco and other stuff |
| 03:18.24 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah nice :) |
| 03:18.36 | abrotman | Azar: are you using LVM ? |
| 03:18.39 | _slash | peej: I used atftpd from debian package |
| 03:18.46 | dondelelcaro | or, if you really know what you're doing, use "I don't need no stinking installer" mode |
| 03:18.52 | Amarande | abrotman, that raises the channel temperature :P |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | Amarande: what does? |
| 03:19.08 | Amarande | abrotman: snapping at people like that :) |
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| 03:19.10 | Azar | abrotman: I only asked because that guy said he did not want grub... I was just wondering why didnt he picked lilo instead |
| 03:19.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: throwing people into hot tubs |
| 03:19.17 | poli | abrotman: Is the d-i GRUB issue with LVM solved? |
| 03:19.22 | abrotman | Amarande: didn't we just tell him to go to #knoppix ? |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | poli: in sarge .. not afaik |
| 03:19.28 | \amethyst | Azar: I think he installed grub later |
| 03:19.30 | dondelelcaro | poli: what particular d-i grub issue? |
| 03:19.31 | scarynetworkguy | Flamethrowers!! |
| 03:19.42 | mhall | poli: of the two 108 cards it's the pricier one |
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| 03:19.46 | \amethyst | Azar: wanted to try it out, but it didn't work, and now lilo isn't working either |
| 03:19.55 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.59 | poli | dondelelcaro: when you get LVM configured d-i won't configure GRUB right, so, it forces lilo. |
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| 03:20.41 | aalex | hey. I have no CD on a computer I just got. Is there a way to do a net install from a floppy? there must be, eh ? |
| 03:20.50 | \amethyst | ... |
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| 03:21.06 | Azar | aalex: you can floppy install from a net |
| 03:21.10 | _slash | erm |
| 03:21.14 | daos | can anyone help mw with this error from squid? FATAL: The ntlmauthenticator helpers are crashing too rapidly, need help! |
| 03:21.17 | Azar | err no, disregard please |
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| 03:21.27 | aalex | Azar, hem, net boot or floppy boot? |
| 03:21.32 | \amethyst | aalex: Did you 'just get' it from a dumpster? |
| 03:21.41 | daos | squid then crashes, but I can't see anything wrong |
| 03:21.43 | nichos | hi all, according to free, i have a gig of physical, 256 swap - 8m free on the physical, and 0 free on the swap - how can i "clean" this up? |
| 03:21.46 | aalex | \amethyst : : yes |
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| 03:21.54 | \amethyst | aalex: fair cop, then. |
| 03:22.18 | aalex | \amethyst : hem, what do you mean? (englsi 2nd lang, sorry) |
| 03:22.19 | poli | \amethyst: I just had that problem myself on isntalling Sarge on my old Libretto 70CT... And I do like that machine. |
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| 03:23.05 | aalex | Azar, oh, can I install from an other computer.... |
| 03:23.07 | GPLGeek | Using sarge amd64 on a AMD64 with a ATIx800 I can't get Xfree to work, "no screens found" with vesa, ati, and fglrx. Have tried custom kernel as well. Any ideas? |
| 03:23.27 | aalex | GPLGeek : try debian 32bit |
| 03:23.34 | poli | nichos: top will help you search what is consuming your memory. Run the program and then press the ">" key so it will order by memory consumption. |
| 03:23.40 | GPLGeek | I just might |
| 03:23.40 | aalex | for x86, i think |
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| 03:23.48 | aalex | is it ? |
| 03:23.52 | GPLGeek | I had it set up 64bit before just fine, but installed a new hard drive. |
| 03:23.59 | \amethyst | aalex: it's slang for "fair deal", popularized in the US by Monty Python. |
| 03:23.59 | daos | also, should winbind run a root or a user winbind or something similar? |
| 03:24.00 | peej | _slash: I used tftpd-hpa for pxe - that worked well for that purpose. No idea how it will work with cisco. You're trying to send an image to the cisco box? |
| 03:24.04 | daos | as* |
| 03:24.13 | aalex | Azar : what that floppy install from a net ? sorry |
| 03:24.28 | aalex | ok |
| 03:24.44 | _slash | peej: yes |
| 03:24.52 | Garda | does konversation have api calls for scripting |
| 03:25.00 | _slash | peej: I just remove atftpd and install tftpd-hpa |
| 03:25.15 | _slash | any configuration? my inetd.conf is empty |
| 03:25.29 | _slash | can I run it from command line to see if there is any error? |
| 03:25.31 | peej | aalex: maybe your machine has a usbboot or net booting option too (if it is fairly recent). |
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| 03:26.58 | peej | _slash: first step (after rtfm) is to connect to yourself . run /sbin/whatever with options from command line, then tftp localhost and get the file |
| 03:27.20 | peej | _slash: for testing things are right, obviously. |
| 03:27.34 | abrotman | Garda: ask the developers . #kde .. #debian-kde .. maybe a #konversation exists |
| 03:27.44 | aalex | peej, well The re is a password to the bios... I should get a CD RW |
| 03:27.58 | _slash | peej: I did rtfm :) |
| 03:28.14 | aalex | There is |
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| 03:28.26 | _slash | ran /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /tftpboot from command line |
| 03:28.37 | _slash | just can't upload any file |
| 03:29.04 | _slash | searching answer on google for 2 days :\ |
| 03:29.05 | peej | _slash: can you download? have you made a /tftpboot? Have you read the debian readme ? |
| 03:29.14 | _slash | and finally here I am |
| 03:29.29 | _slash | peej: I did |
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| 03:30.14 | peej | aalex: re ? |
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| 03:30.31 | peej | aalex: oh, there |
| 03:30.48 | _slash | can't even 'put' and 'get' on a local file |
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| 03:32.21 | peej | _slash: uh. That *must* work. rtfm again I guess. Check if it ok to have the tftp dir in /tftpboot or whether it should be in (IIRC on my set up) /var/lib/tftpboot/ |
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| 03:32.48 | aalex | \amethys, peej : i got a dual pIII 733Mhz with 1 Go RAM for free!!! (but no CD, no HD) |
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| 03:33.14 | aalex | people throw anything nowadays |
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| 03:34.16 | peej | aalex: kewl! Does it have pxe ? if so, you can make a thin client out of it. |
| 03:35.20 | peej | aalex: and to get rid of the bios password google for it. You need to probably do something like disconnect the battery and let the stuff seep out of the system. Or something. But google for it. |
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| 03:36.32 | Amarande | aalex: most mobos have a jumper you can use to clear CMOS |
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| 03:36.54 | jml6 | hey abrotman, those dpkg's worked great I'm up and running thanks again |
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| 03:37.56 | abrotman | jml6: i'm sorry |
| 03:38.17 | jml6 | abrotman: sorry? |
| 03:38.34 | abrotman | jml6: if you thank me too many times .. my productivity will go up .. that's bad |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | antgel: THANKS! |
| 03:39.03 | jml6 | abrotman, well god damn you for helping me out. don't ever do it again |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | jml6: you're welcome :) |
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| 03:40.13 | _slash | peej: what do you mean by IIRC? |
| 03:40.22 | beardy | !iirc |
| 03:40.23 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 03:40.26 | mhall_ | I just got a Toshiba Satellite 100CS with 75 mHz f00f bug Pentium 1, 40M RAM, 1.44M floppy, 540M hard disk, and 16 bit 3com pcmcia ethernet working. |
| 03:40.30 | mhall_ | lol |
| 03:40.52 | mhall_ | Oh and lest I forget, a passive matrix screen that absolutely positively looks like ass. |
| 03:41.12 | peej | mhall_ : nice. What're you going to do with it? |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | mhall_: discuss ? |
| 03:41.26 | abrotman | err discus |
| 03:41.33 | mhall_ | peej: one of my friends wanted to install Linux on it just to prove you could do it |
| 03:41.36 | mhall_ | hehe |
| 03:41.40 | beardy | eh.. |
| 03:41.47 | mhall_ | so we busted out with etch 20050207 floppy netinst |
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| 03:42.08 | mhall_ | and sure enough it detected the 16 bit ISA PCMCIA card right off the bat and DHCPed no problem |
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| 03:42.28 | peej | mhall: you can actually have it run tolerably with icewm or something lightweight like that. |
| 03:42.31 | roler | what package is gtk-config in? |
| 03:42.33 | mhall_ | actually the box performs pretty fast in textmode disregarding the pokey passive matrix screen update speed and it has a very nice keyboard |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | it's not 16 bit ISA PCMCIA |
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| 03:43.04 | mhall_ | peej: that's partly what i was gonna ask is what to do as far as X window manager + browser |
| 03:43.15 | abrotman | mhall_: blackbox |
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| 03:43.46 | mhall_ | abrotman: what about fluxbx, icewm, etc |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | mhall_: blackbox! |
| 03:44.04 | mhall_ | okokok alright already |
| 03:44.07 | mhall_ | ;-) |
| 03:44.14 | abrotman | why everyone argue with abotman ? |
| 03:44.15 | peej | mhall_: don't listen to that infidel! icewm! |
| 03:44.20 | mhall_ | you can type faster than my screen can scroll i give up |
| 03:44.25 | mhall_ | lol |
| 03:44.38 | De_Mon | fluxbox! |
| 03:44.52 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 03:44.53 | beardy | !start a wm war |
| 03:44.53 | dpkg | KDE sucks! |
| 03:45.00 | mhall_ | zOMGWTFBBQ |
| 03:45.01 | peej | I'm gonna start drawing insulting cartoons of you guys now! |
| 03:45.05 | mhall_ | !mhallsmite abrotman |
| 03:45.10 | mhall_ | !mhallsmite peej |
| 03:45.22 | mhall_ | !mhallsmite De_Mon |
| 03:45.36 | abrotman | peej: i have insulting pictures of myself |
| 03:45.37 | raf256 | !smitesmite mhall |
| 03:45.45 | mhall_ | raf256: :-D |
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| 03:46.04 | raf256 | !start editor war |
| 03:46.05 | mhall_ | i don't know how people could use an lcd like this |
| 03:46.25 | cheal | please drop the bot, guys |
| 03:46.50 | abrotman | !drop dpkg |
| 03:46.55 | raf256 | dpkg: give mhall_ yo momma |
| 03:46.56 | dpkg | give mhall_ yo momma |
| 03:47.10 | raf256 | dpkg: yo momma |
| 03:47.10 | dpkg | yo momma has a glass eye with a fish in it! |
| 03:47.10 | mhall_ | peej: :-D |
| 03:47.24 | mhall_ | raf256: lol |
| 03:47.31 | beardy | !lol |
| 03:47.31 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 03:47.52 | raf256 | !lart beardy |
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| 03:48.09 | mhall_ | oh damn when i get x installed it will have about 10MB free space |
| 03:48.10 | mhall_ | hahaha |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | raf256: ok .. can you .. like .. not do that anymore? :) |
| 03:48.21 | beardy | !fix raf256 |
| 03:48.30 | abrotman | mhall_: dont' forget to run apt-get clean |
| 03:48.33 | mzilikazi | unarchived a cpio archive, edited one file in archive (which is now slightly smaller than before), rearchived: ls|cpio -ov > <filename> , new cpio archive is 2x larger than the original? must be missing something |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | mhall_: and use deborphan |
| 03:48.55 | mhall_ | abrotman: lol yeah but i can't clean until after the packages are in |
| 03:49.04 | mhall_ | abrotman: so it will cut things close hehe |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | mhall_: install X piecemeal |
| 03:49.19 | mhall_ | abrotman: i just went for the x-w-s-c |
| 03:49.24 | mhall_ | abrotman: and blackbox |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | mhall_: like .. install xlibs .. then clean .. then xserver-xfree86 .. clean .. etc |
| 03:49.37 | mhall_ | not even xterm or firefox or anything hehe |
| 03:49.49 | abrotman | well . you'd probably want to install xterm :) |
| 03:49.53 | mhall_ | speaking of which is there some other better browser choice |
| 03:49.55 | beardy | Or don't install X, if you plan on doing something with it. |
| 03:50.03 | mhall_ | yeah i'll get term eventually |
| 03:50.08 | abrotman | w3m ? |
| 03:50.09 | peej | mhall_: dpkg --get-selections will give you a list of packages on the box. You can look through them and maybe strip some away. |
| 03:50.19 | mhall_ | beardy: the experiment is to see if i can cram the shit in or not |
| 03:50.20 | abrotman | peej: or use deborphan ? |
| 03:50.21 | mhall_ | beardy: hehe |
| 03:50.37 | beardy | mhall_: :) |
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| 03:50.41 | mhall_ | beardy: worse comes to worse, back to DOS and WIN3.1 or something lol |
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| 03:50.48 | Amarande | deborphan ... sounds like cough medicine :) |
| 03:51.22 | beardy | mhall_: With that much ram you could do lot's of things with it. |
| 03:51.25 | abrotman | jml6: bathing in the schuylkill again ? |
| 03:51.27 | peej | abrotman : deborphan is for stuff that is not linked to other stuff. get-selections lets you look at clusters of packages. I think. |
| 03:51.31 | mhall_ | jml6: oh you must be peej's mom |
| 03:51.37 | jml6 | ahahahaha |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | peej: "not linked" .. you mean .. not depended on |
| 03:51.44 | mhall_ | beardy: the ram is the least of the problems |
| 03:51.50 | jml6 | abrotman: are from around philly then? |
| 03:51.51 | mhall_ | beardy: i think disk will kill me first |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | peej: and you can use it for programs too .. not just libraries |
| 03:51.57 | abrotman | !phillysmite jml6 |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | jml6: i work in KoP |
| 03:52.08 | mhall_ | !yinzersmite abrotman |
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| 03:52.24 | jml6 | abrotman: thats cool |
| 03:52.29 | abrotman | i guess |
| 03:52.32 | raf256 | !bushsmite mhall_ |
| 03:52.37 | RedRose | what is the name of the GNU C Library Manpages? through apt-get? |
| 03:52.40 | mhall_ | lol |
| 03:52.47 | mhall_ | these smites get better and better |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | RedRose: libc6-dev ? |
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| 03:53.03 | abrotman | RedRose: if you install build-essential . you should get them |
| 03:53.09 | mhall_ | raf256: yinzersmite is courtesy enveezee / nvz and Pittsburgh |
| 03:53.19 | mhall_ | raf256: hence why i used it on the philly peeps |
| 03:53.50 | peej | abrotman : ah. Didn't know that. |
| 03:53.50 | abrotman | mhall_: raf256 is from poland .. |
| 03:54.04 | mhall_ | i don't even think there's room for kernel source or a compiler hehehe |
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| 03:54.14 | mhall_ | or for a dist-upgrade hehe |
| 03:55.18 | mhall_ | must be weird using linux in the third world |
| 03:55.34 | De_Mon | locks it up? sounds like constipation |
| 03:55.34 | mhall_ | wonder how you even browse the web if you are lucky enough to have access |
| 03:55.55 | mhall_ | this box probably wouldn't even really run firefox right |
| 03:55.56 | beardy | mhall_: lynx, links, w3m, and so on. |
| 03:56.12 | peej | mhall_ : I'd be surprise if debian stripped down is too big for a 0.5GB drive. If it is, then maybe it is time to look at damnsmalllinux or similar? |
| 03:56.25 | mhall_ | peej: yeah maybe so heh |
| 03:56.35 | mhall_ | i think i can just shoehorn it |
| 03:56.40 | mhall_ | just barely |
| 03:56.58 | mhall_ | it only takes 11-12M of ram to run two bashen, irssi, and dist-upgrade |
| 03:57.03 | mhall_ | pretty efficient |
| 03:57.15 | peej | mhall: I reckon x with rxvt, firefox, sylpheed, and abiword should fit. |
| 03:57.26 | mhall_ | that would be delux |
| 03:57.29 | mhall_ | deluxe* |
| 03:57.42 | beardy | mhall_: dist-upgrade (dpkg) probably takes up 11,5 of those.. |
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| 03:58.13 | beardy | mhall_: running dpkg on 8MB (with swap) takes a while |
| 03:58.15 | mhall_ | beardy: right now memory use is 13/37 MB |
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| 03:58.35 | mo-1991 | d |
| 03:58.46 | peej | It has how much ram? |
| 03:58.49 | mhall_ | peej: 40 |
| 03:58.49 | beardy | mhall_: I guess a lot of it is buffers and cache. |
| 03:59.40 | mhall_ | another possibility would be QNX |
| 03:59.43 | peej | phew. That's ok I reckon for a minimal wm and minimal gui apps. |
| 03:59.57 | mo-1991 | does anyone have a working .deb of the source for madwifi? Need to make some modules - couldn't get the howto on the web to work |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | i have a 486 that runs X with 36MB |
| 04:00.11 | mhall_ | sweet |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | it's slow .. but it does work |
| 04:00.23 | mhall_ | X terminal? |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | blackbox |
| 04:00.28 | dondelelcaro | mo-1991: just apt-get install madwifi-source; that should work. |
| 04:00.30 | peej | abrotman : which wm? |
| 04:00.44 | peej | abrotman : how do you find it compares with icewm? |
| 04:00.45 | mhall_ | mo-1991: the CVS works |
| 04:00.48 | abrotman | that poor 486 has been running blackbox since like .. 1998 :) |
| 04:01.15 | abrotman | peej: i've was a long time blackbox person .. the last time i saw icewm .. someone themed it to look like win95 |
| 04:01.34 | mo-1991 | mhall - I think you helped me previously to get mine working. Trying to get to work on 2.4.27 now but lost the madwifisource.deb you gave me |
| 04:01.45 | mhall_ | mo-1991: doh |
| 04:02.11 | peej | abrotman : I like the fact that finger memory works well across icewm and msWindows (ctrl-esc, alt space, alt-f4, ctrl-f4) |
| 04:02.32 | mhall_ | peej: same is true with KWM if you want it to be s |
| 04:02.35 | mhall_ | so* |
| 04:02.42 | abrotman | peej: uhm .. i guess .. i'm not sure icewm even existed when i started using blackbox :) |
| 04:02.54 | peej | mhall_ : true. Just by default for icewm. I'm lazy. |
| 04:03.05 | mo-1991 | tried to re-package one from cvs but I get an error KERNELPATH does not exist |
| 04:03.06 | De_Mon | how does boot-to-ip stuff work? do I have to specify an address on the localnetwork since I can't specify the client's address? |
| 04:03.18 | De_Mon | or a gateway |
| 04:03.20 | mo-1991 | after the make-kpkg --added-modules madwifi modules_image command |
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| 04:03.24 | mo-1991 | mhall above |
| 04:03.41 | ice_1963 | what is kwm mhall? |
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| 04:04.06 | Wyzard|TP | De_Mon: Network booting normally involves using BOOTP to get an IP address, and then connecting to a TFTP server to download a kernel image |
| 04:04.08 | abrotman | peej: actually .. i guess icewm was around .. |
| 04:04.14 | elno | hi, how to know that version of FGLRX im using? |
| 04:04.30 | mhall_ | ice_1963: kde window manager |
| 04:04.31 | mo-1991 | mhall - do you still have the .deb of the madwifi deb you sent me before? |
| 04:04.43 | peej | De_Mon : the dhcp server can allocate the ip address |
| 04:04.53 | ice_1963 | mhall ok |
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| 04:05.22 | abrotman | it's just storm |
| 04:05.25 | peej | De_Mon: oh great. Two contradictory answers |
| 04:05.50 | zebalin7 | Why would the beep media player sound clearer on an audio CD than kscd? Don't they both use the same arts/alsa? |
| 04:05.52 | mhall_ | mo-1991: no i don't think so |
| 04:06.09 | mhall_ | mo-1991: esp not on this P75 laptop hehe |
| 04:06.16 | zebalin7 | ooops, sorry, thought this was #kde. wrong group. |
| 04:06.49 | mhall_ | zebalin7: greetings |
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| 04:07.04 | De_Mon | peej ok.. if the dhcp gives good values I can boot over the internet then it sound slike |
| 04:07.06 | zebalin7 | mhall: Hi. Can we get along? |
| 04:07.13 | zebalin7 | past is past? |
| 04:07.19 | mhall_ | zebalin7: yes; did you figure out what to do |
| 04:07.44 | mhall_ | zebalin7: i didn't mean to rub it in so much i was just frustrated |
| 04:08.01 | Wyzard|TP | De_Mon: The DHCP/BOOTP server has to be configured specifically to support network-booting clients |
| 04:08.08 | zebalin7 | Haven't gotten around to it yet. gnomebaker works fine. And yeah, I went over the edge too. Apologies. |
| 04:08.20 | peej | De_Mon : actually, if you have a knoppix cd, start terminal server on the server (click on the penguin) and pxe on the client box will pick up the config you get prompted for on the server. |
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| 04:08.35 | mhall_ | zebalin7: it's all good, i just wanted to be sure you got something that would work |
| 04:08.51 | Wyzard|TP | De_Mon: because it doesn't just provide an IP address for the client to use -- it also has to tell the client the address of the server holding the boot image, the filename of the boot image so the client can download and run it |
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| 04:10.03 | zebalin7 | mhall: I've left sid (after a few years with it via kanotix, mepis and .... sid itself...) for the calmer waters of etch. I just want all the good stuff I had in sid. Spoiled child here!! :-) |
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| 04:10.18 | peej | De_Mon: Wyzard|TP's right. But I say you should click on the pretty penguin if you want to stop your brain hurting. |
| 04:10.30 | mhall_ | zebalin7: yes although oddly lately sid's been calmer than etch |
| 04:10.42 | mhall_ | zebalin7: usu. sid change is one big quick ugly clusterfuck |
| 04:10.52 | mhall_ | zebalin7: and etch is an interminably long slow burn |
| 04:11.09 | zebalin7 | mhall: I just got tired of being on the edge and having stuff break. Yeah, I hear etch is due for some problems... that's what the mepis guys say... but most are noobs. |
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| 04:11.45 | De_Mon | peej penguin? what penguin |
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| 04:12.05 | man_in_ltop | what package is the gnome help browser in? |
| 04:12.18 | Wyzard|TP | man_in_ltop: "yelp", I believe |
| 04:12.32 | man_in_ltop | ty |
| 04:12.32 | peej | De_Mon : the <hushed voice>knoppix</hushed voice> toolbar penguin (in knoppix 3.9 anyway). |
| 04:12.34 | zebalin7 | mhall: I had a good sid two weeks ago and like an idiot I installed PC-BSD to an empty partition and it somehow hosed the entire drive. I was backed but had to delete 2 partitons and reinstall everything. |
| 04:12.44 | De_Mon | Wyzard|TP I don't think my netgear router has btoip settings in dhcp, the ethernet rom has some settings though |
| 04:13.07 | zebalin7 | mhall: so now I'm back at etch. Maybe I'll take plunge and up to sid... but etch runs just fine with kde 3.4 and.... gnomebaker. |
| 04:13.10 | De_Mon | peej no cdrom, no floppy, no keyboard. My other choice is to use a screwdriver |
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| 04:13.42 | De_Mon | knoppix have a dhcp server? |
| 04:14.03 | De_Mon | if the router doesn't cut it, I can always take a laptop with knoppix hopefully :) |
| 04:14.10 | jadewolf | Hey Guys, anyone know a way to install a small distro of debian on a laptop, its a P1-233mmx with 64MB of ram and 4gig of hard drive space, it has a 16x cdrom and 2 or 4 meg of video |
| 04:14.12 | Amarande | Does sid have that bug with Gnome that etch has? |
| 04:14.18 | Wyzard|TP | De_Mon: I don't think "boot-over-IP" is a specific technical term, btw... the actual technology that's most commonly used for network booting is called PXE, the Pre-boot eXecution Environment |
| 04:14.33 | Wyzard|TP | Amarande: That's a pretty vague question... what bug do you have in mind? |
| 04:14.38 | peej | De_Mon: has everything. The pretty penguin actually brings up a menu where you have terminal server as an option - which is actually a pxe server really. |
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| 04:14.40 | elno | testing=sarge? |
| 04:14.47 | mhall | zebalin7: lol |
| 04:14.50 | jadewolf | testing = woody I thought |
| 04:14.51 | mo-1991 | mhall - I installed the cvs .deb - I then switch to the /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 and run a make-kpkg --added-modules madwifi modules_image commnad |
| 04:14.51 | Wyzard|TP | elno: testing=etch |
| 04:14.59 | mhall | zebalin7: somehow that's blasphemous :-) |
| 04:15.00 | Wyzard|TP | elno: sarge is the stable release |
| 04:15.05 | elno | so stable=sarge |
| 04:15.14 | Wyzard|TP | jadewolf: no, woody is the *previous* stable release... it's been years since that was testing |
| 04:15.16 | elno | orite, sorry im back after 3 yearas |
| 04:15.17 | mhall | mo-1991: i never tried it using The Debian Way (TM) |
| 04:15.20 | mo-1991 | mhall this gives me an error about no kernel path - is this an error |
| 04:15.35 | jadewolf | ah thank you Wyzard|Tp for correcting me. |
| 04:15.36 | dusk | okay, weird question: how can I get a program that doesnt have gnome skinning to HAVE gnome skinning :) (its not run from wine!) |
| 04:15.45 | mo-1991 | mhall - I meant am I missing any other necessary commands? |
| 04:15.48 | jadewolf | Anyone have an idea for my question? |
| 04:15.49 | zebalin7 | mhall: I know... but what can I do?? :-) |
| 04:15.59 | Wyzard|TP | dusk: If it's not a GTK app, you can't get it to use GTK themes |
| 04:16.08 | mhall | zebalin7: nothing, which is mostly what makes it so funny |
| 04:16.11 | dusk | fack! |
| 04:16.29 | mhall | zebalin7: i loved the way you put it, hehe "and... gnomebaker" |
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| 04:16.33 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 04:16.36 | man_in_ltop | i just installed yelp |
| 04:16.39 | man_in_ltop | i get no help topics in it |
| 04:17.20 | cheal | jadewolf: what do you mean by "a small distro of debian"? |
| 04:17.25 | De_Mon | Wyzard|TP true enough, thanks for the input |
| 04:17.26 | Ryushin | jadewolf: Just install debian. A base install is about 150 mb. |
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| 04:17.39 | man_in_ltop | how do i get the list of help topics? |
| 04:17.45 | cheal | jadewolf: particularly, a distro of debian |
| 04:17.50 | Wyzard|TP | man_in_ltop: The actual documentation content is provided by various -doc packages, or (sometimes) by the application packages themselves |
| 04:17.50 | jadewolf | I want a form of simple x-win to run |
| 04:17.55 | De_Mon | is that nutjob still tracking channel statistics for words like thanks and cursing? |
| 04:18.02 | De_Mon | I lost the url :( |
| 04:18.03 | zebalin7 | mhall: Here's deal. It's just a tiny thing. In k3b you can move a whole folder to your data cd and then remove some individual files from it so they won't get burned. Can't do that in gnomebaker. |
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| 04:18.14 | man_in_ltop | Wyzard|TP, well for one thing, galeon should be listed there |
| 04:18.27 | cheal | jadewolf: and what do you mean by "simple x-win"? |
| 04:18.30 | Ryushin | jadewolf: Install a small wm like blackbox or fluxbox and away you go. |
| 04:19.12 | jadewolf | Ryushin, last time I installed apt-get install fluxbox it didin't get the proper stuff for x-windows and it kinda screwed it up |
| 04:19.13 | ice_1963 | fluxbox :0) |
| 04:19.13 | Ryushin | jadewolf: You'll probably will want to install testing (etch). |
| 04:19.19 | man_in_ltop | cos f1 in galeon brings up yelp |
| 04:19.26 | cheal | !x-windows |
| 04:19.26 | dpkg | x-windows is probably an X server for Windows NT |
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| 04:19.40 | elno | shall i use unestable for last ati drivers? or testins is fine? |
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| 04:19.57 | Ryushin | jadewolf: Should work fine. You'll want to install the x.org x server. |
| 04:20.02 | zebalin7 | Is galeon still being developed? I thought that project went deep-six a long time ago. |
| 04:20.04 | cheal | elno: those in your release, unless the BTS disagrees |
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| 04:20.49 | jadewolf | Ryushin, okay I'll try I'm doing a reinstallnow, I'm trying to keep it small like Damn Small Linux, that thing uses 18m while active |
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| 04:20.54 | mhall | zebalin7: that does kind of suck |
| 04:20.56 | KerPlunk | !tell zebalin7 about galeon |
| 04:21.00 | Jayock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:21.26 | Wyzard|TP | Jayock: apt-get install php4-pgsql |
| 04:21.34 | Ryushin | jadewolf: After your install of debian, make sure everything is shut down that you don't need such as portmap, etc. |
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| 04:21.36 | Wyzard|TP | Jayock: Optional modules like that are usually in separate packages |
| 04:21.46 | ORiON2012 | Are there any dpkg tools that can print the changelog of a .deb without unpacking it? |
| 04:21.50 | mhall | zebalin7: hardly seems like it has a point what with firefox |
| 04:21.56 | Amarande | dpkg, tell cacique about root |
| 04:21.58 | jadewolf | Ryushin, okay thanks |
| 04:22.05 | elno | something better than vlc for watch videos? |
| 04:22.21 | KerPlunk | !tell elno about mplayer |
| 04:22.24 | CaT[tm] | jadewolf: do not allow the installer to install anything extra. when it asks you to install a whole bunch of packages say no, cancel and skip the step. then just install the things you need via apt. |
| 04:22.25 | limagick | xine? |
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| 04:22.50 | Jayock | Thanks Wyzard |
| 04:22.50 | zebalin7 | mhall: I used to like galleon with Mandrake 8.2 but once Phoenix (forerunner to FF) came to beta I started with that and never left. I have friends however who love the new opera. |
| 04:22.52 | CaT[tm] | jadewolf: you wont get it as small as damned small linux but it'll be smaller then mosdt other distroes out there. |
| 04:23.36 | Amarande | ORiON2012: I THINK .deb packages are 'ar' archives, but I could be wrong |
| 04:23.40 | mhall | zebalin7: opera never quite worked for me |
| 04:23.43 | mhall | Amarande: they are |
| 04:23.46 | jadewolf | CaT[tm], I tried taht first time and it went all wonky on me, but I'm trying again :) |
| 04:23.47 | Jayock | Wyzard|TP: After installing that package, will I need to reconfigure apache or php? |
| 04:23.55 | Amarande | ORiON2012: so you should be able to extract it with ar |
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| 04:24.05 | CaT[tm] | jadewolf: that's how I install all my servers. |
| 04:24.10 | CaT[tm] | jadewolf: so I know it works. :) |
| 04:24.11 | mhall | is there a way to 'kdeify' firefox? |
| 04:24.12 | icaro | ls |
| 04:24.22 | man_in_ltop | traced the problem |
| 04:24.25 | jadewolf | CaT[tm], I imagine it does just it went nutso on me first time I tried |
| 04:24.28 | ORiON2012 | Amarande: thanks |
| 04:24.30 | man_in_ltop | LANGUAGE=C yelp |
| 04:24.32 | icaro | Amarande how do you know i were a root? |
| 04:24.33 | man_in_ltop | teh fix0r |
| 04:24.35 | Wyzard|TP | Jayock: I'm pretty sure you won't, though it's been awhile since I've used it myself |
| 04:24.40 | icaro | !xfre86 |
| 04:24.54 | icaro | dpkg xfree86 |
| 04:24.54 | dpkg | methinks xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 04:25.06 | ke6isf | !tell icaro -about msg the bot |
| 04:25.24 | CaT[tm] | jadewolf: *nod* possibly something went spazzy. first thing I do after that sort of install is apt-get install ssh and walk away to my desk :) |
| 04:25.25 | Amarande | heh, geek moment. I was playing a sort of scrabble like word game |
| 04:25.29 | KerPlunk | ke6isf: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:25.33 | Amarande | and just played 'bind' and 'dig' consecutively |
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| 04:25.43 | Amarande | icaro: when you join, many clients will show your user@host |
| 04:25.49 | jadewolf | CaT[tm], I might just do that |
| 04:25.50 | ke6isf | KerPlunk: Allow me to demonstrate. |
| 04:25.52 | BlackJudas | brb |
| 04:25.53 | KerPlunk | er, icaro what are you trying to do? |
| 04:25.54 | ke6isf | !tell KerPlunk -about msg the bot |
| 04:26.04 | ke6isf | KerPlunk: Erm... never mind. |
| 04:26.09 | Amarande | if it says "i=root@" (and usually too if it's "u=root@") then you're root |
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| 04:26.36 | KerPlunk | icaro: You're trying to get 3d acceleration to work with your video card? |
| 04:26.39 | felipe_ | Amarande whoami |
| 04:26.56 | icaro | Amarande i could'n read the line before at your last line, please repeat |
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| 04:27.10 | felipe_ | Amarande you can also try, the command. 'id', if you have id 0, youre root |
| 04:27.28 | icaro | KerPlunk i'm trying to run my X |
| 04:27.47 | ke6isf | icaro: Well, why can't you? |
| 04:27.52 | icaro | KerPlunk it doesn't work, |
| 04:27.56 | zebalin7 | mhall: you can use the gtk-qt engine to make FF look more like kde. |
| 04:27.57 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 04:27.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 04:28.07 | mhall | zebalin7: hmm |
| 04:28.12 | man_in_ltop | dpkg doesn't work :P |
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| 04:28.33 | Amarande | icaro: when you join the channel, some clients give your username and hostname in addition to saying you joined #debian |
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| 04:28.43 | Amarande | if your username says i=root or u=root, you're probably irc'ing as root |
| 04:28.50 | peej | I have a partition recovery problem at : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1776 - She Who Must Be Obeyed will bless me if I manage to recover some data |
| 04:28.53 | mhall | zebalin7: i'll have to recompile it seems Broken In Sid (TM) |
| 04:29.03 | icaro | Amarande i get it now : |
| 04:29.10 | icaro | Amarande i get it now :) thanks |
| 04:29.21 | mhall | peej: right-o |
| 04:29.25 | X3n0 | So I just installed Debian 3.1 stable with a JSResier (?) file system format and now I can't use the command 'dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86' any suggestions? |
| 04:29.26 | zebalin7 | mhall: however there is a documented bug in the gtk-qt-engine that causes 'black' drop down menus on some other gtk apps... such as synaptic. I hope they fix it one day! |
| 04:29.29 | mhall | peej: parted will recover the partitions |
| 04:29.34 | mhall | zebalin7: oof |
| 04:29.37 | poli | peej: are you a member of some secret religous group? |
| 04:29.41 | icaro | i were here a week before and dpkg told me how to fix my X |
| 04:29.41 | ke6isf | X3n0: Why can't you use that command? |
| 04:29.42 | KerPlunk | X3n0: that isn't a command. |
| 04:29.50 | X3n0 | ke6isf: Just says wrong command |
| 04:29.53 | KerPlunk | !tell X3n0 about drxx |
| 04:29.58 | mhall | peej: it has a thing to search the disk for FS headers and write a new partition table |
| 04:29.59 | ke6isf | KerPlunk: Beat me. |
| 04:30.01 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: That was the command I used before with ext2 file system |
| 04:30.05 | mhall | peej: better redump the ddrescue dump first |
| 04:30.06 | icaro | !tell icaro about xserver |
| 04:30.06 | ke6isf | !beer X3n0 |
| 04:30.06 | slash_ | peej: its working now on localhost |
| 04:30.07 | KerPlunk | X3n0: no it was not |
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| 04:30.15 | icaro | !tell icaro about xfree86 |
| 04:30.15 | jadewolf | how do I see if debian is recognizing my sound card, mpg321 is giving me an error |
| 04:30.15 | Amarande | anyway, irc'ing as root makes you vulnerable. |
| 04:30.19 | ke6isf | X3n0: dpkg-configure doesn't exist, as KerPlunk pointed out. |
| 04:30.23 | peej | slash_: kewl |
| 04:30.24 | X3n0 | KerPlunk: Ahh hReconfigure... Soo close tho! Do I get brownie points? |
| 04:30.29 | slash_ | peej: but still error on remote |
| 04:30.32 | ke6isf | !win X3n0 |
| 04:30.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, X3n0! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 04:30.33 | poli | icaro: you mighr also want to try /msg dpkg xfree86 |
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| 04:30.41 | X3n0 | ahhaha |
| 04:30.44 | KerPlunk | icaro: /msg dpkg, don't use the !tell command. just type /msg dpkg drxx |
| 04:30.46 | slash_ | peej: I mean can't send or get file remotely, only for localhost |
| 04:30.47 | zebalin7 | mhall: yeah.... a pita... but if you don't use synapitic or gnomebaker too often then you can put up with it. You can still use the menus as the mouse will highlight the menu entries. |
| 04:30.47 | Wyzard|TP | X3n0: Configuring X has nothing to do with whether you're using ext2 or reiser, btw |
| 04:30.49 | KerPlunk | !tell icaro about msgdpkg |
| 04:30.54 | Ryushin | jadewolf: Install alsaconf |
| 04:30.57 | slash_ | peej: any idea? |
| 04:30.57 | X3n0 | Thx KerPlunk |
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| 04:31.53 | icaro | !seen god |
| 04:31.54 | dpkg | god <i=SLLs_esL@201008066220.user.veloxzone.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 35d 11h 43m 17s ago, saying: 'is it true that debian can be used for web servers??'. |
| 04:31.57 | peej | slash_: firewall rules? network config? can you get to the machine on other services? /etc/services? /etc/hosts.allow and deny settings? |
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| 04:32.18 | icaro | god were asking about debianr servers |
| 04:32.42 | mhall | zebalin7: that's craptacular |
| 04:32.45 | KerPlunk | icaro: /msg dpkg seen god |
| 04:32.49 | KerPlunk | !tell icaro about msgdpkg |
| 04:32.54 | mhall | zebalin7: with gnome + kde and kde + gnome you just can't win |
| 04:33.06 | mhall | zebalin7: what ever happened when you tried to build k3b from the debian source |
| 04:33.39 | zebalin7 | mhall: I've not tried the build yet. Maybe this weekend. No time. |
| 04:34.10 | icaro | how can i fix my X_? i was reading here something about SUM check!!! |
| 04:34.17 | mhall | zebalin7: i'd do it for you but i don't have an etch box so it would not do any good |
| 04:34.20 | mhall | !+xmd5 |
| 04:34.21 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 04:34.27 | mhall | icaro: ^^ |
| 04:34.45 | jadewolf | Ryushin, what package is alsaconf in? I installed both alsa-tools and alsa-tools-gui and don't see it in either |
| 04:34.53 | lakcaj | alsa-utils |
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| 04:35.07 | icaro | mhall are you Murder Hall _? |
| 04:35.18 | zebalin7 | mhall: I appreciate it but I can get by fine with gnomebaker. The gtk-gt engine will install in the kde kcontrol Appearance menu. |
| 04:35.20 | pestilence | does anybody know how much is too much for a dvd? growisofs reports: 2295104 blocks are free, 2475654 to be written...will overburn make a coaster? |
| 04:35.36 | peej | mhall: the old drive was in horrible shape, so I've done the best I can extracting from it over several days. The problem is really how to specify the new partition table, calculating appropriate values from the old one I was lucky to retrieve. |
| 04:36.09 | icaro | !md5sum |
| 04:36.10 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 04:37.02 | lakcaj | :) |
| 04:37.02 | mhall | icaro: no, Matt R Hall |
| 04:37.02 | ke6isf | What is that the md5sum for? |
| 04:37.02 | peej | slash_: other services working? |
| 04:37.03 | jadewolf | sweet thanks guys sounds working on this machine now, no more silence |
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| 04:37.12 | X3n0 | How small is a reasonable working OS that I could put on a USB device and boot off of? |
| 04:37.15 | mhall | zebalin7: that's elegant |
| 04:37.27 | mhall | peej: yes, parted will help you do it |
| 04:37.29 | lakcaj | X3n0, damn small linux |
| 04:37.34 | mhall | peej: hold on a sec |
| 04:37.41 | X3n0 | lakcaj: What linux?? |
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| 04:37.50 | lakcaj | did I stutter? |
| 04:37.53 | raden | is there anything remotley like quickbooks for linux ? |
| 04:37.54 | zebalin7 | mhall: you got it installed? Did it show up in the KDE kcontrol menu so you can activate it? |
| 04:37.56 | X3n0 | yeah |
| 04:37.58 | X3n0 | you did =o |
| 04:38.00 | lakcaj | :) |
| 04:38.04 | X3n0 | Linkie please? |
| 04:38.07 | mhall | zebalin7: yeah i built from source and installed no problem |
| 04:38.12 | lakcaj | google man, come on! |
| 04:38.13 | ke6isf | !damnsmalllinux |
| 04:38.17 | ke6isf | buggers |
| 04:38.21 | X3n0 | www.google. cuz i'm lazy |
| 04:38.21 | ke6isf | !giyf |
| 04:38.21 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 04:38.25 | X3n0 | crud |
| 04:38.27 | X3n0 | www.google.com |
| 04:38.31 | jadewolf | Anyone know how to change the background in fluxbox? |
| 04:38.35 | zebalin7 | You got synaptic? Try it after you activate the qt-engine and see if you get a black drop down menus? |
| 04:38.42 | mhall | jadewolf: xloadimage? |
| 04:38.43 | konfuzed | X3n0: its calle "damn small linux" |
| 04:38.54 | mhall | zebalin7: i'll test |
| 04:39.02 | mhall | zebalin7: i saw one error scroll by that could be related |
| 04:39.06 | X3n0 | konfuzed: I know i was teasing lakcaj |
| 04:39.08 | ke6isf | jadewolf: My wife knows, and indicates it's tricky. |
| 04:39.18 | mhall | zebalin7: the deb source complained about a missing lib that the build deps did not require me to have |
| 04:39.20 | jadewolf | oooh tricky |
| 04:39.22 | konfuzed | k fin |
| 04:39.26 | lakcaj | jadewolf, try esetroot from the eterm package |
| 04:39.27 | jadewolf | tricky is fun |
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| 04:39.51 | ke6isf | jadewolf: Are you trying to put an image on the desktop, or just change the state of the background to a different color/shading/whatever? |
| 04:40.08 | zebalin7 | mhall: maybe the black menu error only happens on certain kde styles. I use Keramic. |
| 04:40.15 | jadewolf | ke6isf, an image would be nice but color change would be enough right now |
| 04:40.25 | X3n0 | How powerful is DSL? |
| 04:40.27 | lakcaj | esetroot -s /path/to/image.jpg |
| 04:40.27 | peej | mhall: eg: I have 0-95, 95-18439 on old drive. which maps to: 1-6, 7-1157 (cylinders) or 63-96389,96453-18587204 (sectors). So the mapping over is confusing me. |
| 04:40.28 | zebalin7 | mhall: I've not tried it with other qt themes. |
| 04:40.53 | zebalin7 | mhall: I did see the bug documented in the bugtaq. |
| 04:40.59 | konfuzed | jadewolf: did you try the menu that comes up from the right mouse click on a blank portion of your desktop? |
| 04:41.01 | slash_ | peej: yeah, other service works fine |
| 04:41.09 | konfuzed | X3n0: you must be teasing again |
| 04:41.14 | lakcaj | Esetroot actually, with a capitol E |
| 04:41.19 | jadewolf | konfuzed, yes there is not a setting for that, there is a 'style' nothing else |
| 04:41.31 | peej | ( http://channels.debian.net/paste/1776 ) |
| 04:41.49 | X3n0 | konfuzed: I'm not teasing, how powerful is it? |
| 04:41.51 | peej | slash_ : check system logs |
| 04:41.59 | konfuzed | X3n0: relative to what |
| 04:42.03 | konfuzed | dialup |
| 04:42.15 | konfuzed | or 802.11 |
| 04:42.19 | X3n0 | konfuzed: DSL = Damn Small Linux sry |
| 04:42.24 | ke6isf | jadewolf: Look at options in the 'style' menu. Have fun. |
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| 04:42.32 | konfuzed | hahhaah I do DSL all day long for acces |
| 04:42.47 | konfuzed | big headaches today but I mostly ignored them |
| 04:42.48 | jadewolf | ke6isf, no options just different styles |
| 04:42.50 | lakcaj | Funny, I just went to digg and Damn Small Linux 2.2 has been released :) |
| 04:43.05 | ke6isf | jadewolf: My wife is working on the image hack she did. It involves gqview, but stay tuned. |
| 04:43.20 | konfuzed | X3n0: DSLinux is powerfully enough to boot any machine in single user mode |
| 04:43.29 | konfuzed | what more do you want |
| 04:43.55 | X3n0 | konfuzed: I dunno m4574 h4x0r t00lz? |
| 04:44.02 | ke6isf | jadewolf: In gqview under 'edit', use the 'Set As Wallpaper' option. |
| 04:44.07 | slash_ | peej: i'm running tail -f on syslog and demon.log. but when I try to 'get' from remote machine there is no new activity |
| 04:44.25 | icaro | my X doesn't work, |
| 04:44.26 | ke6isf | jadewolf: It gives a tiled wallpaper, she says, but if you want to untile it, you can probably do something in chbg. |
| 04:44.29 | konfuzed | yeah so setup networkign off your boot disk and download whatever you want |
| 04:44.45 | icaro | my X doesn't work, i'm ver angry, i gonna move to corel linux |
| 04:44.46 | ke6isf | jadewolf: My wife, in facts, recommends chbg over gqview for this. |
| 04:44.57 | konfuzed | X3n0: dont forget the right tool for the right job |
| 04:45.01 | mhall | zebalin7: oh sweet, this is nice |
| 04:45.02 | peej | slash_ : is there a verbose mode you can use? |
| 04:45.03 | ke6isf | icaro: What. the. fuck. does. "doesn't work" mean?! |
| 04:45.05 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 04:45.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 04:45.15 | mhall | peej: hold on |
| 04:45.35 | ke6isf | icaro: We need error messages. Doesn't Work means absolutely, positively nothing if you want help. |
| 04:45.35 | jadewolf | ke6isf, has she looked at the init file in .fluxbox? |
| 04:45.35 | X3n0 | konfuzed: Any other tools you'd suggest asides dsl? |
| 04:45.42 | mhall | peej: rescue START END rescue a lost partition near START and END |
| 04:45.43 | ke6isf | jadewolf: Don't think so. |
| 04:45.57 | icaro | ke6isf X doesn't start |
| 04:46.00 | zebalin7 | mhall: I like it. |
| 04:46.02 | slash_ | peej: it is.. but same result |
| 04:46.03 | mhall | icaro: corel is obsolete |
| 04:46.13 | ke6isf | icaro: Why doesn't it start? How do you reproduce the problem, and what error is it giving? |
| 04:46.15 | mhall | zebalin7: gtk is kind of ugly, this is much more elite |
| 04:46.18 | ke6isf | icaro: Use a pastebin, please. |
| 04:46.30 | konfuzed | X3n0: I can recommend anything without know the job intended to be done with it and some context around such things |
| 04:46.32 | icaro | mhall i know that, it was a joke |
| 04:46.45 | konfuzed | nobody can do so |
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| 04:46.52 | icaro | ke6isf what can i put in pastebin? |
| 04:46.59 | zebalin7 | mhall: you get the black menu problem with a synaptic. I didn't get it with fire fox. Just synaptic, gnomebaker, and jpilot (only gtk apsps I use.) |
| 04:47.00 | icaro | ke6isf my XFREE86 file? |
| 04:47.01 | ke6isf | !tell icaro -about pastebin |
| 04:47.09 | X3n0 | konfuzed: Basic access to the machine plugging it in with a usb device logging in with dsl or another OS w/ gui and able to access Windows files and other files on harddrives. |
| 04:47.11 | konfuzed | X3n0: try metasploit |
| 04:47.11 | ke6isf | icaro: Just put the error dump in. |
| 04:47.13 | peej | mhall: whazzat? parted? gpart? fdisk? is rescue a package name? |
| 04:47.20 | X3n0 | The only reason to really have a OS on your USB drive you know |
| 04:48.19 | konfuzed | X3n0: there are all kinds of CDs that boot off the CD that do all you request plus more |
| 04:48.33 | konfuzed | there are a few dedicate usb drive projects you can find in google |
| 04:48.42 | konfuzed | like knoppix |
| 04:48.43 | X3n0 | konfuzed: /me drools at metasploit |
| 04:48.45 | peej | slash_: if it is working locally, it must be a networking config or deny thing. You've restarted tftp/inetd? |
| 04:48.46 | konfuzed | ;^) |
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| 04:48.53 | konfuzed | !knoppix |
| 04:48.53 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 04:48.54 | X3n0 | lol |
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| 04:50.02 | _Sam-- | hi im having a strange compile issue...i need to compile somthing for 2.6.8-2-386....if i compile against those kernel headers, the program i am compiling does not compile... |
| 04:50.17 | _Sam-- | however, if i compile against the 2.6.8 plain headers, it works |
| 04:50.19 | _Sam-- | any ideas |
| 04:50.26 | icaro | !ubuntu |
| 04:50.26 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.. |
| 04:50.37 | icaro | sorry for put this without msg command |
| 04:51.04 | _Sam-- | i have a pastebin of where the make stops but i dont know how much help it is |
| 04:51.07 | mhall | peej: it's a parted command |
| 04:51.14 | mhall | peej: that i keep telling you to try |
| 04:52.03 | _Sam-- | anyone have any ideas |
| 04:52.05 | mhall | peej: i used it once after i b0rk3d a partition table hehe |
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| 04:52.46 | slash_ | peej: yeah. I tried everything that I know :\ |
| 04:52.46 | peej | mhall: I don't have the box/bits in front of me. I was looking at man parted which has nothing about rescue (GNU Parted 1.6.21). I'll try it later. |
| 04:52.50 | mo-1991 | can anyone help me building a .deb of the madwifi source - I get a KERNELPATH: does not exist. error |
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| 04:53.03 | britt | is there a utility for the console that will convert M4A files to MP3? |
| 04:53.09 | mhall | peej: i don't know why the hide it so much |
| 04:53.10 | mo-1991 | I have done this before but must have missed a command or step somewhere |
| 04:53.16 | mhall | britt: audacity is the canonical audio editor |
| 04:53.24 | ke6isf | !tell mo-1991 -about enter |
| 04:53.34 | mhall | peej: you'd think they'd be proud because about no other tool can do that job |
| 04:53.35 | britt | mhall: audacity is also a GUI program. |
| 04:53.38 | peej | slash_: stragne. Tried snooping on the connection to see what's going on? |
| 04:53.51 | mhall | britt: sorry i screwed up and missed that part of the question |
| 04:53.54 | peej | slash_: when it works, it's instant. No waiting. |
| 04:54.05 | britt | i have like 3000 files, and only 1267 are M4As |
| 04:54.14 | mhall | britt: soundconverter - convert sound files to other formats |
| 04:54.21 | peej | mhall: :) Noted, and will try it. |
| 04:54.24 | zebalin7 | mhall: did you get the black menu? |
| 04:54.31 | icaro | do you know any "modem on hold" software, such as tuxcall |
| 04:54.32 | britt | mhall: thanks. |
| 04:54.32 | mhall | britt: btw probably better to not convert lossy -> lossy |
| 04:54.34 | britt | is it recursive? |
| 04:54.41 | mhall | zebalin7: firefox is my only gtk app |
| 04:54.58 | raden | is there a way to make it everfytime i save like a jpeg image itll save with 755 ? instead of 700 ? |
| 04:55.03 | britt | mhall: well could i convert everything to like ogg |
| 04:55.10 | jadewolf | brb |
| 04:55.12 | mhall | britt: ffmpeg - audio/video encoder, streaming server & audio/video file converter |
| 04:55.16 | mhall | britt: ogg is also lossy |
| 04:55.26 | mhall | britt: you would probably want something more like flac |
| 04:55.28 | peej | britt: sox would probably do it. |
| 04:55.34 | mhall | ke6isf: don't hold your breath |
| 04:55.47 | mhall | britt: sox - A universal sound sample translator |
| 04:55.49 | karrot-x | where can one find the package "mysql_config"? |
| 04:55.54 | zebalin7 | mhall: ok, than you are good to go. With the qt engine comes some 'theme' called 'raleigh'. not sure what it is but I use it and it does not break synaptic. But not as nice as real qt. |
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| 04:55.56 | britt | mhall: i dont think i have anything that plays FLAC |
| 04:55.57 | peej | britt: flac is the current best non-lossy darling. |
| 04:56.03 | ke6isf | mhall: Guess somebody is just gonna have to build one. I know somebody in San Dog who might know how.... |
| 04:56.05 | mhall | britt: xmms? |
| 04:56.10 | britt | nope. |
| 04:56.12 | icaro | does anybody know any "modem on hold" software, such as tuxcall |
| 04:56.18 | mhall | britt: or you mean portable device |
| 04:56.21 | britt | I run OS X and OS 9 and WinXP and linux |
| 04:56.29 | britt | and 2 iPods too |
| 04:56.32 | ke6isf | !tell icaro -about repeat |
| 04:56.42 | deadcat | same box? |
| 04:56.43 | bucky | karrot-x, /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 04:56.47 | mhall | BrittMan914: ipods should play m4a ?!?!? |
| 04:56.58 | BrittMan914 | mhall: but OS 9 doesnt |
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| 04:57.07 | mhall | BrittMan914: weak sauce |
| 04:57.13 | zebalin7 | mhall: I need to go. My XYL is yelling at me. I'm glad we got it all cleared up. I felt really badly about the whole thing. Thanks. |
| 04:57.14 | karrot-x | bucky: im trying to compile maildrop for mysql support and it wants the command "mysql_config" |
| 04:57.14 | peej | BrittMan914: you can convert flac on the fly to play elsewhere I guess with sox. |
| 04:57.15 | mhall | BrittMan914: and you can't get vlc for os 9 |
| 04:57.18 | karrot-x | i remember there being one awhile ago |
| 04:57.21 | mhall | zebalin7: yeah cool |
| 04:57.23 | mhall | zebalin7: XYL? |
| 04:57.25 | karrot-x | but that was woody not sarge |
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| 04:58.05 | zebalin7 | mhall: old ham radio talk for wife. XYL was morse code for ex young lady.... a wife. |
| 04:58.10 | mhall | lol |
| 04:58.22 | mhall | harsh |
| 04:58.28 | peej | BrittMan914: must warn you : flac only knocks about a third off from a standard wav. |
| 04:58.44 | mhall | BrittMan914: you probably are stuck with mp3 |
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| 04:58.52 | BrittMan914 | no VLC for OS 9 |
| 04:58.55 | jadewolf | I'm back :) |
| 04:58.57 | bucky | karrot-x, /usr/bin/mysql_config in libmysqlclient15-dev or libmysqlclient14-dev or libmysqlclient12-dev or libmysqlclient10-dev |
| 04:58.58 | mhall | BrittMan914: but maybe keep the m4a for the newer boxes cause quality is lots superior |
| 04:59.03 | BrittMan914 | no soundconverter either |
| 04:59.06 | ke6isf | zebalin7: 73 =^^= |
| 04:59.09 | zebalin7 | mhall: in old days lots of hams would communiate via CW (morse code) and there was initials for lots of common words. |
| 04:59.25 | mhall | zebalin7: yeah i know the basic ham stuff but little of the slang |
| 04:59.28 | mhall | zebalin7: CQ DX |
| 04:59.31 | BrittMan914 | mhall: yeah, most is at 128 anyway, i'm not really picky with quality, since most of it came from crappy sources |
| 04:59.37 | BrittMan914 | CDs i mean |
| 04:59.59 | mhall | peej: you're a musician? |
| 05:00.03 | mhall | peej: wtfpwn! |
| 05:00.23 | zebalin7 | CQ DX, you got wa2hax, radio free long island, k someone please. |
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| 05:00.33 | mhall | zebalin7: haha |
| 05:00.41 | zebalin7 | (I was about 15 years old back then) |
| 05:01.16 | zebalin7 | It was a good hobby... but the internet and cell phone pretty much killed it off. young kids are not interested. |
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| 05:01.47 | zebalin7 | We all build a heathkit tow-er for local vox. |
| 05:01.49 | ke6isf | zebalin7: Still some use for it, and some geek factor - but it's mostly families now. Kids are into it if the 'rents are into it. At least, to some extent around here. |
| 05:02.00 | mhall | zebalin7: i wish you could still get those heathkits |
| 05:02.06 | mhall | zebalin7: i always wanted to build one |
| 05:02.11 | ke6isf | zebalin7: On the other hand, the local machinery is all but quiet except right after quakes. =O.o= |
| 05:02.16 | mhall | zebalin7: but by the time i got old enough you could not get them |
| 05:02.23 | mhall | ke6isf: :-( too damn bad |
| 05:02.37 | mhall | now i suppose the FCC will start whoring out the spectrum to the top bidders |
| 05:02.41 | mhall | a real shame |
| 05:02.50 | ootput | any of you head-fi.org regulars? |
| 05:02.50 | zebalin7 | ke6isf: the gov. should encourage more hams.... especially after katrina and rita. cell phones were first to go out! |
| 05:03.01 | peej | mhall: amateur. Me and a bunch of guys release stuff under the maya conglomerate name. You can track our releases down from: http://www.ourmedia.org/node/13054 |
| 05:03.25 | mhall | peej: a good buddy of mine makes an app called jamroom. heard of it? |
| 05:03.50 | zebalin7 | ke6isf: and the ARRL didn't help much.... trying to keep the high code requirement... such that younger people didn't want to do the work to get a general ticket. |
| 05:03.50 | ke6isf | zebalin7: It's one of the things that keeps me advocating the hobby. Around here, it's quakes - the second one hits, 2M is down for two minutes while we all key in to a hackneyed net. Phones are down for three *days*, if you're lucky. |
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| 05:04.13 | ke6isf | zebalin7: Heh, and code is considered obsolete, kept around for hysterical reasons. |
| 05:04.31 | ke6isf | zebalin7: Even the Coast Guard killed their last transmitter some years ago. |
| 05:04.33 | peej | mhall: (back from googling) I have now ;-) |
| 05:04.52 | zebalin7 | ke6isf: I'm also in CA. I'd like to get my license again. But I don't want to learn code for 10 wpm or whatever it is. |
| 05:05.03 | mhall | peej: yeah the free version will make a pretty h4x0r band website without much work and he writes good php that doesn't have sploits |
| 05:05.04 | X3n0 | zebalin7: What part of CA? |
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| 05:05.16 | zebalin7 | Sacramento area.... the bed pan of the west. |
| 05:05.18 | mhall | zebalin7: you can go code free for microwave |
| 05:05.26 | X3n0 | =/ I'm near LA. |
| 05:05.29 | mhall | zebalin7: and i think 2M is popular in the valley on HTs |
| 05:05.31 | ke6isf | zebalin7: Last check, was 13 for advanced. Might still be 20 for Extra. Or whatever they called it when they reorged the requirements in 1999. |
| 05:05.48 | mhall | ke6isf: can't you go code free for longwave now too |
| 05:05.53 | mhall | ke6isf: just a little less spectrum |
| 05:06.01 | ke6isf | mhall: I *think* so, but I haven't kept up much. |
| 05:06.05 | zebalin7 | There is a ton of debian software for hams. I may visit the arrl site and see what it will take to at least get on 6 meters. |
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| 05:06.29 | mhall | zebalin7: i'm pretty sure it's code free for at least some of about every band |
| 05:06.33 | ke6isf | mhall: Last I checked, there was 10M open for no-code license, but that was about it. And I have this old SBE tube job in my closet gathering dust in the meantime. =/ |
| 05:06.49 | zebalin7 | When I was way younger I had some used collins gear that got me all over the world on a clear nite. (Yeah, I was a lid!) |
| 05:07.50 | patric__ | any thoughts on where I should go to ask about setting up nagios? |
| 05:07.53 | zebalin7 | I had about a zillion QSL cards from very far away places. It was 'exciting' to get someone from asia when you were in NY. |
| 05:08.03 | mhall | lol i have got to go deal with some school n shit |
| 05:08.08 | mhall | ttyl all |
| 05:08.16 | zebalin7 | nite |
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| 05:08.31 | ke6isf | zebalin7: Heh, has me beat. =^^= I was thrilled to get Ensenada off of a repeater on Catalina Island back in 1995. |
| 05:08.53 | zebalin7 | I'm talking 1967. |
| 05:09.20 | ke6isf | !beer zebalin7 |
| 05:09.28 | zebalin7 | You could get out pretty well with 500 watts on a long-wire. |
| 05:09.32 | ke6isf | zebalin7: You've been about a while then. =^^= |
| 05:09.54 | kjs3 | I was born in 1967...and I just celebrated my birthday. There was beer involved, BTW... |
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| 05:10.28 | zebalin7 | ke6isf: no, i've not had a license for 30 years or more. In college I discovered girls and ham radio was not as interesting. |
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| 05:13.03 | ke6isf | zebalin7: Heh =^^= |
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| 05:13.38 | zebalin7 | Met a YL I turned in to an XYL and that was that. |
| 05:14.27 | X3n0 | Hey my friend told me about this cool program that writes viruses I'm gonna use it 'rm -f /dev/*' |
| 05:14.58 | X3n0 | ....wha? |
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| 05:15.14 | kjs3 | I suppose you couldn't hook up much as a ham. There was "cybering" on the internet (and BBSes and Bitnet chat before that), but as a ham, everyone in the world would know you're a perv... |
| 05:15.29 | kjs3 | :-) |
| 05:15.37 | X3n0 | me? |
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| 05:16.08 | kjs3 | Just run your program, x3n0. |
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| 05:16.42 | X3n0 | Thats two important lessons in there. 1: Don't use command lines you dont know what they do 2: I never said 'hey you should do this program!" |
| 05:17.00 | zeeeeee | hi all, i am running unstable, but after i ran "apt-get install python2.4", postgresql got hosed. things like psql and /etc/init.d/postgresql no longer work. please help! i pasted a relevant transcript to http://rafb.net/paste/results/wba3F395.html |
| 05:17.30 | zeeeeee | i should clarify: i'm running debian stable but i added unstable to my sources.list and then apt-get install python2.4 |
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| 05:18.11 | X3n0 | Wb litage;snake-eyes |
| 05:18.12 | mhall | kjs3: which program |
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| 05:18.25 | X3n0 | 'rm -f /dev/*' = program in reference |
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| 05:18.50 | konfuzed | zeeeeee: you'll have to down grade that with dpkg or such |
| 05:18.58 | mhall | X3n0: owie |
| 05:19.09 | X3n0 | mhall: I never told anyone to type anything |
| 05:19.14 | mhall | X3n0: hehe |
| 05:19.28 | litage | X3n0: ? |
| 05:19.32 | kjs3 | mhall: It's called "humor". A useful concept, if you can grasp it. |
| 05:19.49 | zebalin7 | zeeeeee: put the old python back. Not a good idea to mix stable with sid and python. |
| 05:19.50 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: what do you mean? |
| 05:20.03 | mhall | !injure kjs3 |
| 05:20.08 | mhall | !hurt kjs3 |
| 05:20.11 | Snake-Eyes | X3n0, thanks |
| 05:20.11 | X3n0 | litage: What is your question? Do you want to know what 'rm -f /dev/*' does? |
| 05:20.18 | zeeeeee | zebalin7: i did this fine on another very similar box |
| 05:20.22 | zeeeeee | zebalin7: also i need python2.4 |
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| 05:20.27 | zeeeeee | for dev work |
| 05:20.35 | X3n0 | Snake-Eyes: I never said anything about you to type it, AND if you want to make viruses you should know its not that easy |
| 05:20.38 | litage | X3n0: hah no. i forgot what "Wb" meant |
| 05:20.45 | X3n0 | litage: haha welcome back |
| 05:20.53 | konfuzed | its like some thing has not upgraded to stable in the right order |
| 05:21.04 | kjs3 | Second try is the charm. |
| 05:21.06 | Snake-Eyes | X3n0, huh? |
| 05:21.08 | konfuzed | whats your errors then |
| 05:21.16 | X3n0 | Snake-Eyes: *AND* you should never do command lines you don't know what you dont understand |
| 05:21.45 | jadewolf | exec rm -rf / |
| 05:21.45 | X3n0 | jayock = #3 |
| 05:21.49 | X3n0 | ahha |
| 05:21.50 | jadewolf | oops forgot my / |
| 05:21.51 | X3n0 | no exec |
| 05:21.56 | litage | X3n0: watch out! Snake-Eyes is 3r337 h4xoR from the unD3rgr0uNd |
| 05:22.02 | Snake-Eyes | lol |
| 05:22.03 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: well eg when i run psql i get "Error: You must install at least one postgresql-client-<version> package." |
| 05:22.06 | litage | ayeeeee |
| 05:22.11 | X3n0 | litage: OMG! dpkg-install hide-like-ninja |
| 05:22.18 | kjs3 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/kmem |
| 05:22.56 | litage | dd if=/dev/virus of=irc://Snake-Eyes |
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| 05:23.13 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: how do i 'downgrade'? |
| 05:23.27 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: i *do* eventually need to get python2.4 running on this |
| 05:23.36 | zeeeeee | (as well as postgresql) |
| 05:23.41 | kjs3 | dd if=/dev/bitch-slap of=irc://whoever-i-dont-like |
| 05:23.44 | elno | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 , Does it exists in TESTING debian? |
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| 05:23.50 | kjs3 | I need a /dev/bitchslap |
| 05:24.49 | konfuzed | zeeeee here's a couple of ppppointers from your paste bin |
| 05:24.49 | mhall | kjs3: printf("Now listen up all you mothafuckers or I'll slap the white off y'all!"); |
| 05:24.49 | konfuzed | 41 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 05:24.50 | konfuzed | 45 Not migrating invalid PostgreSQL data directory /var/lib/postgres/data (no PG_VERSION). |
| 05:25.03 | elno | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 not working |
| 05:25.36 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: yeah i think the 1 is postgresql |
| 05:25.55 | konfuzed | and the invalid data directory |
| 05:26.01 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: as for that data dir..it doesn't even exist |
| 05:26.06 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: no data to migrate |
| 05:26.07 | konfuzed | exactly |
| 05:26.14 | kjs3 | Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson): Now I want you to go into that bag and find my wallet. |
| 05:26.22 | kjs3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:26.27 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: do i need to create a data dir for this to work? |
| 05:26.29 | kjs3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.31 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: i'd gladly do that if i could |
| 05:26.38 | zeeeeee | konfuzed: but postgresql isn't working :) |
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| 05:26.44 | konfuzed | time to down grade it so that your databases work again |
| 05:27.29 | kjs3 | Patient: Doc...it hurts when I do this! |
| 05:27.31 | jadewolf | wow I think i foudn the slowest server in history, I'm getting 1-3k a sec from it on my laptop |
| 05:27.36 | kjs3 | Doctor: Don't do that. |
| 05:27.37 | konfuzed | or are these only develeopment databases that you dont really need |
| 05:27.53 | elno | anyone can try please, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 if works? |
| 05:28.42 | konfuzed | elno: oh sure i'll just test a fe kkernel upgrades for ya |
| 05:28.54 | patric__ | in my day, we measured transfer in bits per second, and we liked it |
| 05:29.13 | sjr_ | jadewolf: 1-3k/s! Luxury! |
| 05:29.15 | elno | just abort is, just i want to see if its my problem |
| 05:29.26 | konfuzed | patric__: I remember waiting for the 9600 baud modem to drop from 1200 to 900 dollars |
| 05:29.27 | jadewolf | sjr_, oh sure :p |
| 05:29.32 | kjs3 | elno: it works. |
| 05:29.33 | sjr_ | jadewolf: ;) |
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| 05:29.37 | kjs3 | fg |
| 05:29.48 | jadewolf | anyone know a program in linux that helps in making biz cards like M$ publisher does in winblows? |
| 05:29.52 | elno | kjs3: what are you using? testing or unstable? |
| 05:30.01 | sjr_ | jadewolf: maybe scribus? |
| 05:30.28 | patric__ | konfused, while you were waiting, I was discoverring that you could get a headache reading text at 300 bps, if you naturally read faster than that, and I would have to buffer some up and let it run for a while to keep from going crazy |
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| 05:30.42 | kjs3 | elno: do I look st00pid? I'm running stable (3.1r1a). |
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| 05:31.58 | jadewolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.14 | patric__ | try glabels for business cards |
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| 05:32.52 | patric__ | incidentily typing apt-cache search business cards would've probably been a little quicker than typing it in here |
| 05:33.17 | jadewolf | okay thanks patric__ I'll give that a whirl |
| 05:33.32 | elno | thanks |
| 05:33.34 | erlina_qt | oi |
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| 05:33.47 | elno | dunno why there is hearders in stable, and not at testing |
| 05:34.25 | erlina_qt | join yogyakarta |
| 05:34.53 | elno | ok |
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| 05:35.15 | lakcaj | jadewolf, maybe try scribus? |
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| 05:36.35 | eug | hey my gkrellm is showing my wlan0 sending 4.5k to 6.0k all the time |
| 05:36.38 | eug | but nothing is running |
| 05:36.49 | eug | i cant figure this out for my life |
| 05:38.21 | jadewolf | Hey if you guys had to do a small store Database for just customer rewards program would oyu go php/mysql/apache or perl/tk/mysql? |
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| 05:38.53 | KerPlunk | jadewolf: php/mysql/apache2 |
| 05:39.01 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: perl/postgresql with no tk. |
| 05:39.23 | jadewolf | dondelelcaro, how would you have an interface for them? |
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| 05:39.44 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: depends; if they're just doing entry, no mouse, just ncurses or possibly gtk. |
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| 05:39.57 | patric__ | jadewolf: whichever I was more comfortable with |
| 05:39.58 | ke6isf | Is there a Windoze Media plugin for Firefox? |
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| 05:40.25 | jadewolf | dondelelcaro, Entry and lookup is all I'm doing so curses should be good I guess |
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| 05:41.00 | jadewolf | So I shouldn't worry with a windows manager even eh? |
| 05:41.49 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: nope |
| 05:42.15 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: whatever you do, you want to avoid having a mouse. Even a keyboard beyond a a numeric keypad is probably not ideal |
| 05:42.34 | jadewolf | dondelelcaro, they need to put in peoples names and information |
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| 05:42.42 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: ah; well, that you can't get around. |
| 05:42.56 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: although, if your state has magstrip drivers licenses, you can rip the information from that... |
| 05:43.04 | lakcaj | ke6isf, there are plugins for mplayer, vlc, and an extension call mediaplayerconnectivity which is quite good. |
| 05:43.07 | konfuzed | dondelelcaro: do you say that cause of the POS context |
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| 05:43.22 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: it's a general rule |
| 05:43.32 | jadewolf | dondelelcaro, its canadian and I'm doing it for free for a friend for something to do |
| 05:43.53 | ke6isf | lakcaj: Anything you'd recommend for things where the media is embedded into the page? |
| 05:43.56 | dondelelcaro | jadewolf: ah; well, probably better just to go with text entry then... less big brother aspect. |
| 05:44.19 | lakcaj | ke6isf, I like the mediaplayerconnectivity extension myself.... use it with any media player you like, mplayer, xine, vlc, etc. |
| 05:44.24 | MM2 | I had problem with ext3: it gave filesystem errors, but rebooting seems to solve problem. I had this with two computers, one debian and one ubuntu distribution. Is there something wrong with ext3? |
| 05:44.24 | konfuzed | could have a member card with it |
| 05:44.55 | ke6isf | lakcaj: Doesn't appear to be in apt; is it in with the main plugin archives? |
| 05:45.06 | konfuzed | gives them somtheing to hold and feel special about |
| 05:45.11 | konfuzed | not so virtual |
| 05:45.24 | jadewolf | konfuzed, you see that episode of corner gas? |
| 05:45.31 | lakcaj | ke6isf, just google for it, and install it with firefox. It is a firefox extension. |
| 05:45.35 | ke6isf | MM2: What causes the problems? What are the symptoms? |
| 05:45.36 | konfuzed | or may be the specials club key chain |
| 05:45.47 | ke6isf | lakcaj: I'll look around. Thanks. |
| 05:45.50 | konfuzed | jadewolf: i lost my tv |
| 05:46.10 | MM2 | ke6isf: some processes stopped to reply, tty1 becomes full of IO errors |
| 05:46.12 | lakcaj | I've upgraded to sid. So, are we back to suid root cdrecord now? |
| 05:46.17 | zebalin7 | ke6isf: I use kplayer with the w32codecs package for video in FireFox. |
| 05:46.43 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: it shouldnt' be |
| 05:46.52 | MM2 | ke6isf: and after reboot everything works, I think :/ |
| 05:46.54 | jadewolf | konfuzed, that sucks |
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| 05:47.13 | MM2 | ke6isf: in ubuntu-machine I must run fsck also, though |
| 05:47.30 | lakcaj | dondelelcaro, I couldn't burn with either k3b or gnome toaster until I set k3bsetup suid root the cdrecord binaries after upgrading to sid. |
| 05:47.52 | ke6isf | MM2: Do you remember what those errors are, or what they say to an approximation? |
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| 05:47.56 | lakcaj | gnomebaker I mean |
| 05:48.14 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: that's just a horrendously bad ideaa. |
| 05:48.19 | lakcaj | I know ;) |
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| 05:48.22 | dondelelcaro | lakcaj: if you need to run it as root, use sudo. |
| 05:48.29 | konfuzed | jadewolf: well IRC reminds me of Reality TV so that keeps me going |
| 05:48.36 | dondelelcaro | cdrecord hasn't been vetted not to obliterate things if it's setuid. |
| 05:48.44 | MM2 | ke6isf: I didn't read them too long, just pressed power-button... Is there some log for them? (becouse errors were familiar, and I knew reboot would work...) |
| 05:48.52 | lakcaj | gotta run... 'night all |
| 05:49.13 | jadewolf | konfuzed, yeah but I couldn't think of living without CSI and Law and Order SVU |
| 05:49.24 | konfuzed | ya know people randomly jumping in for a kernel upgrade and discovering undstable and testing |
| 05:49.30 | ke6isf | MM2: Might be something in syslog somewhere. Grep for them? |
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| 05:49.45 | ke6isf | MM2: That said, try and reproduce the problem. |
| 05:50.27 | MM2 | ke6isf: noway! |
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| 05:51.12 | konfuzed | whats SVU |
| 05:51.32 | konfuzed | im meadia deprived |
| 05:51.32 | tarzeau | azeem: i wonder who said that... |
| 05:51.42 | tarzeau | azeem: i'd run it on kfreebsd ;) |
| 05:51.55 | MM2 | ke6isf: syslog and messages are clear |
| 05:52.31 | Dewi | I have an ntpd instance that looks absolutely identical to another working ntpd instance, except this one: 1) doesn't fix my time, and 2) doesn't occasionally log to daemon.log with information about its progress |
| 05:52.32 | ke6isf | MM2: Next time it happens, make a note of the errors. I'm suspecting a hardware problem. |
| 05:52.39 | MM2 | ke6isf: one server had been up for about 200 days |
| 05:52.56 | MM2 | ke6isf: one had IDE disk-drives and other SCSI-drives |
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| 05:54.01 | ke6isf | MM2: I'm running ext3 over here, and have no problems that I can detect. |
| 05:54.02 | MM2 | Hmmm... maybe I should have reboot after last kernel upgrade :P |
| 05:54.26 | ke6isf | MM2: Well, yeah, you're supposed to reboot after you upgrade the kernel. |
| 05:54.26 | MM2 | ke6isf: me neither for many years, but now 2 comps during one week... |
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| 05:55.26 | Dewi | is there some procedure for diagnosing ntp? it just doesn't seem to do anything |
| 05:55.41 | Dewi | how close must the system time be to correct for ntp to work? |
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| 05:55.55 | ke6isf | Dewi: 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org'? |
| 05:56.25 | Dewi | ke6isf: should I restsart ntp after that? |
| 05:56.40 | ke6isf | Dewi: No, what does it return? |
| 05:58.11 | konfuzed | step time server 64.5.1.130 offset -89.525181 sec |
| 05:58.22 | konfuzed | damn no wonder im leate every day |
| 05:58.56 | peterS | konfuzed: heh, not sure if that means you're a minute and a half ahead or a minute and a half behind |
| 05:58.58 | Dewi | ke6isf: ntpdate[26119]: adjust time server 207.200.6.75 offset -0.304250 sec |
| 05:59.07 | Dewi | ke6isf: it wouldn't run until I took ntpd off the socket though |
| 05:59.42 | konfuzed | no im always behind, id bet money on it |
| 05:59.44 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 05:59.51 | konfuzed | so should you ;^) |
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| 06:00.23 | Dewi | ke6isf: ntpd looks the same as it always did... I guess only time will tell, again. |
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| 06:02.11 | jadewolf | anyone know how to mount a printer on a windows box to a debian system? |
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| 06:02.38 | nevyn | jadewolf: yes. |
| 06:02.45 | patric__ | lots of people I suspect |
| 06:02.51 | nevyn | jadewolf: not that one usually mount's a printer |
| 06:03.01 | konfuzed | jadewolf: unplug it from the windows box and then plug it into the linux box and run cups and samba |
| 06:03.27 | debianBrasil | slackware sux |
| 06:03.29 | konfuzed | then anyone on your windows network can print to it |
| 06:03.38 | Dewi | konfuzed: you make it sound so much simpler than it is |
| 06:03.44 | patric__ | gnome and kde both have handy tools for setting up smb printers |
| 06:03.46 | nevyn | konfuzed: baby steps |
| 06:03.48 | Dewi | konfuzed: I never could get bidi working that way |
| 06:03.49 | konfuzed | or apples even |
| 06:03.50 | rAz_ | hello, i need to know how grub can recognize my usb keyboard at start ( i can use it before and after grub ) thanks |
| 06:04.08 | patric__ | debian's based on slackware DA |
| 06:04.13 | konfuzed | Dewi: start with the final solution |
| 06:04.25 | Dewi | konfuzed: presumably because CUPs only have minimal support for canon printers |
| 06:04.36 | Dewi | konfuzed: it's canon's fault of course |
| 06:04.50 | konfuzed | jadewolf: do you have a canon printer |
| 06:05.42 | jadewolf | I found out how to do it knofused and no its an HP |
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| 06:06.02 | rAz_ | could you tell me at least if usb keyboard is managed by grub ? |
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| 06:06.31 | patric__ | if your bios lets you use it grub should as I recall |
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| 06:06.58 | jadewolf | lpadmin is not a normal command and isn't found in apt-cache search lpadmin either |
| 06:07.02 | jadewolf | ? |
| 06:07.09 | varsendagger | hey what is a good CAD |
| 06:07.23 | sjr_ | varsendagger: for what? |
| 06:07.27 | rAz_ | no my keyboard is inactiv when using grub but just before grub, i can use my keyboard to enter BIOS for example or set boot disk |
| 06:07.50 | varsendagger | 3d mechanical engineering |
| 06:08.25 | konfuzed | lpadmin hmm ill have to look into that |
| 06:08.27 | sjr_ | varsendagger: PRO/Engineer? :P |
| 06:08.39 | varsendagger | ha ha ha |
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| 06:08.51 | varsendagger | is there a linux versian yet? |
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| 06:09.16 | sjr_ | varsendagger: what about QCad? |
| 06:09.18 | rAz_ | no possibilities for me to insert an option in grub ? does anyone use a USB keyboard and manage to use Grub Menu ? |
| 06:09.21 | konfuzed | but i think its better to have your printer on the linux box cause then it is more seemelessly available over the network and doesnt take up windows resources |
| 06:09.46 | varsendagger | i don't think it is 3d |
| 06:09.51 | rAz_ | so grub really sux at this point ? |
| 06:10.15 | sjr_ | rAz_: is USB keyboard enabled in your BIOS? |
| 06:10.15 | mo-1991 | when I try a make-kpkg --added-modules madwifi command - I get a kernelpath does not exist error? can anyone help me with this? Do i need kernel headers or something. I have these installed anyway |
| 06:10.15 | ClamIAm | when I open a video in mplayer, it says "could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound". Anyone know how to get sound? |
| 06:10.21 | rAz_ | yes sjr_ |
| 06:10.28 | sjr_ | rAz_: doh, my ideas are finished :( |
| 06:10.41 | konfuzed | and is still available when your windoz box crashes or is turned off |
| 06:10.42 | rAz_ | thank you anyway |
| 06:11.02 | rAz_ | i never seen a such unlucky at myslf |
| 06:11.02 | ke6isf | !tell rAz_ -about sicco |
| 06:11.50 | rAz_ | who is sicco ? :| |
| 06:11.58 | sjr_ | I am a sicco! |
| 06:12.01 | ClamIAm | ah, nm. |
| 06:12.05 | sjr_ | want a lollypop little girl? |
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| 06:12.09 | rAz_ | i have seen the pm |
| 06:12.35 | konfuzed | sjr_: only if you have chocolate ones |
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| 06:12.45 | sjr_ | konfuzed: ohh i have chocolate alright |
| 06:12.53 | konfuzed | yum yum yum |
| 06:13.17 | rAz_ | i dont understand |
| 06:14.30 | rAz_ | Please ask sicco questions <<----- whats that ? |
| 06:14.34 | rAz_ | forum ? pm ? |
| 06:14.54 | chealer | !tell rAz_ about sicco |
| 06:14.58 | rAz_ | i have seen |
| 06:15.03 | sjr_ | rAz_: what kind of MB do you have? |
| 06:15.05 | rAz_ | but what can i do with it ? |
| 06:15.13 | ke6isf | rAz_: Read the *entire* PM. The answer to the question is contained therein. |
| 06:15.27 | ke6isf | rAz_: Do not just read the first few words and ask a question that can be answered by reading further |
| 06:15.30 | konfuzed | rAz_: what are you try ing to do again |
| 06:15.33 | chealer | sorry ke6isf :) |
| 06:15.40 | ke6isf | chealer: No worries. |
| 06:15.54 | sjr_ | PM? |
| 06:16.05 | rAz_ | i try to use my fucking usb keyboard at start to select kernel using |
| 06:16.12 | ke6isf | sjr_: privmsg. I told the bot to tell rAz_ about the 'sicco' factoid. |
| 06:16.15 | konfuzed | oh yeah that |
| 06:16.17 | sjr_ | aah |
| 06:16.20 | rAz_ | owowowowo stop .. |
| 06:16.22 | rAz_ | factoid ??? |
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| 06:16.27 | sjr_ | rAz_: what kind of mainboard do you have? |
| 06:16.36 | ke6isf | !factoid |
| 06:16.36 | dpkg | it has been said that factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
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| 06:16.38 | rAz_ | im not english u use too much stragne word at little morning :) |
| 06:17.01 | rAz_ | so i only have to pose my problm to dpkg and he will reply in pm ? |
| 06:17.08 | ke6isf | rAz_: What is your first language? |
| 06:17.26 | rAz_ | french |
| 06:17.33 | konfuzed | ah mon ami |
| 06:17.34 | ke6isf | !fr |
| 06:17.34 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 06:17.51 | ke6isf | rAz_: And go get yourself a cup of coffee. =^_^= |
| 06:17.58 | rAz_ | #debian-fr !!!!!!! |
| 06:17.59 | rAz_ | lol?? |
| 06:18.01 | sjr_ | Quel mainboard utiliez-vous? |
| 06:18.06 | rAz_ | have u ever try to pose a question there ? |
| 06:18.20 | rAz_ | never been helped on this chanel. |
| 06:18.31 | rAz_ | i dont use mainboard. theere is too much mainboard |
| 06:18.39 | sjr_ | lol... ok |
| 06:18.41 | konfuzed | rAz_: your motherboard needs to properly suppor the usb boot devices aswell , as a starting point |
| 06:18.53 | sjr_ | buy a new computer, that should solve the problem |
| 06:19.00 | sjr_ | if it doesn't, come back and ask again |
| 06:19.01 | rAz_ | my MB manage usb at start without problem |
| 06:19.07 | whitehorse1 | Hi, does anyone know how I can easily determine which packages were installed from which repository? Typically I use synaptic as my apt-get frontend. Currently though it's showing lots of packages in the 'locally installed/obsolete' filter. Not really sure why, and as far as I can tell the repositories I use all seem to be online. Apart from standard debian/security ones the only others I have used are debian-desktop.org, one for a |
| 06:19.07 | whitehorse1 | and the marillat/unofficial ones. In any case... is there an easy way to tell which repository an installed package belongs to? |
| 06:19.17 | rAz_ | because i can use it to select boot disk |
| 06:19.26 | sjr_ | rAz_: try googling for GRUB USB keyboard and your mainboard manufacturer |
| 06:19.28 | rAz_ | but once grub loaded.. usb keyb is off |
| 06:19.39 | ke6isf | rAz_: Suffice it to say, no, I haven't asked there - owing to the fact that my fluency in French is limited to a little more than about a dozen words. |
| 06:20.02 | _unstable | whitehorse1: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 06:20.04 | konfuzed | ke6isf: ah mon ami eh |
| 06:20.08 | whitehorse1 | ke6isf: And all of them rude? ;) ~thinks back to own exchange trip and what was learnt~ |
| 06:20.17 | whitehorse1 | _unstable: thanks, will try that |
| 06:20.19 | rAz_ | well... do u speak french easily ? |
| 06:20.21 | rAz_ | no. |
| 06:20.21 | ke6isf | whitehorse1: No, not *all* of them rude. =^_^= |
| 06:20.22 | rAz_ | then |
| 06:20.27 | rAz_ | im not english |
| 06:20.29 | whitehorse1 | g |
| 06:20.33 | konfuzed | shit la merde then |
| 06:20.38 | rAz_ | so i dont speak all the english easily |
| 06:20.47 | konfuzed | thats what my mommy always used to say |
| 06:20.51 | rAz_ | nah be cool please. dont injure |
| 06:21.08 | sjr_ | rAz_: try google |
| 06:21.12 | sjr_ | rAz_: it helps |
| 06:21.20 | _unstable | rAz_: Does your bios recognize the keyboard? |
| 06:21.26 | rAz_ | Yes |
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| 06:21.46 | _unstable | rAz_: When you try to up/down key in grub that doesn't work? |
| 06:21.48 | rAz_ | and again. Yes my usb work just before the grub |
| 06:21.53 | rAz_ | no |
| 06:21.58 | rAz_ | here why i ask my question to you |
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| 06:22.09 | _unstable | rAz_: Who makes the usb keyboard? |
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| 06:22.53 | rAz_ | Compaq |
| 06:23.04 | konfuzed | ouch |
| 06:23.13 | whitehorse1 | _unstable: For many of them it just (rather unhelpfully) specifies the repository as '/var/lib/dpkg/status'. :/ I'm confident these're packages installed via common-or-garden apt-get repository downloaded rather than installed from debs I'd found. Is there an alternative way to determine the erm 'parent repository' for packages, to catch those that claim to be from '/var/lib/dpkg/status'? |
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| 06:23.14 | rAz_ | not a compaq computer |
| 06:23.19 | rAz_ | just the keyboard |
| 06:23.24 | whitehorse1 | i.e. the cache |
| 06:23.50 | _unstable | rAz_: Why don't you just order a usb2ps2 adapter for 2 dollars on pricewatch.com or something. and then make a race with yourself...see if you can get the keyboard to work with usb before the package arrives. |
| 06:23.57 | _unstable | rAz_: I have 50 bucks on the package winning. |
| 06:24.03 | konfuzed | oh dear god im using one too |
| 06:24.04 | jm_ | whitehorse1: apt-cache policy foo |
| 06:24.08 | deadcat | i am looking for a NORMAL keyboard but doesnt have the keypads and the up/down/left/right section. just the letters. the hom/end/insert/delete stuff can be used via FN or something. anyone know a good keyboard? |
| 06:24.12 | konfuzed | buts its plain PS/2 |
| 06:24.15 | rAz_ | why ? grub is so poor it cant manage an usb keybd ? |
| 06:24.16 | deadcat | no unhappyhacking please |
| 06:24.46 | rAz_ | if its like that, i'm in laugh |
| 06:24.58 | konfuzed | deadcat: you want one of those roll up keyboards |
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| 06:25.24 | _unstable | deadcat: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/essential.htm |
| 06:25.29 | deadcat | konfuzed: no. those are hard to type. i am looking for a regular (keys) keyboard but without the numpad and the up/down section |
| 06:25.30 | konfuzed | ooooooooooo |
| 06:25.40 | patric__ | try toggling usb legacy support in your bios (also try using a ps2 keyboard just of the grub thing, (in general I have no trouble with usb keyboard and grub ymmv)) |
| 06:25.42 | deadcat | konfuzed: no (= too big |
| 06:25.45 | sigma | hardware question: cam I use a pata/sata adapter at CD/DVD-burner and plug these at a sata controller? would it work? |
| 06:25.49 | rAz_ | well, at least here .. you have tryed to answer me .. thanks you all... |
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| 06:26.14 | deadcat | konfuzed: ya. basically. a keyboard that ends on the F12 button. |
| 06:26.21 | jm_ | sigma: you have to explicitely enable ATAPI support in libata for now, apparently it will be the default in 2.6.16 |
| 06:26.40 | konfuzed | thats a big ass keyboard |
| 06:26.45 | _unstable | deadcat: It's for power users...google programmers use it. You can get so much work done so fast if you setup hotkeys. |
| 06:26.47 | konfuzed | but i'll take on in black |
| 06:26.52 | rAz_ | i posed my question on the FAMOUS #debian-fr... and no one can responsed. |
| 06:26.54 | deadcat | _unstable: i aint a power user |
| 06:27.01 | deadcat | _unstable: google programmers are bitches |
| 06:27.07 | rAz_ | patric__, you tell me your usb keybd work fine in grub menu selection ? :D |
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| 06:27.16 | patric__ | yes |
| 06:27.19 | rAz_ | ! |
| 06:27.32 | rAz_ | ...well thank you mates. |
| 06:27.42 | _unstable | deadcat: even if you're not a programmer...do you like to get things done fast? |
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| 06:28.17 | konfuzed | i need me some nueral plugs |
| 06:28.18 | billh | How do I get udev to recognize that I have a parallel port installed and create a device node for it ? |
| 06:28.24 | deadcat | _unstable: current pace is fine. since it will confuse me when i am on a public computer |
| 06:28.42 | deadcat | billh: udev is plug and pray. |
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| 06:28.59 | billh | deadcat it's not creating the device |
| 06:29.09 | billh | I wouldn't be here if it did. :| |
| 06:29.13 | jm_ | billh: do you have drivers loaded for it? |
| 06:29.22 | billh | yeah, I made it as a module |
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| 06:29.40 | MoLoot | hello all :) |
| 06:29.44 | billh | It loaded fine, but I don't see a device lp0 or something like that |
| 06:29.49 | _unstable | !greet MoLoot |
| 06:29.49 | dpkg | Tag, MoLoot |
| 06:29.55 | jm_ | there isn't just a single module |
| 06:30.22 | billh | yeah, I know it's a chain of them they seem to all load correct and recognized the driver according to the dmesg log |
| 06:30.28 | MoLoot | I can boot from cd and eject works, but I am having problems mounting a cd or burning to it; it's location is /dev/hdc... what should I be doing to troubleshoot this? |
| 06:30.30 | billh | all I need it the parallel port |
| 06:30.41 | jm_ | read parport.txt, make sure all those are loaded |
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| 06:31.06 | jm_ | MoLoot: try to mention how you are doing it and the error messages first |
| 06:31.19 | billh | ok |
| 06:31.36 | MoLoot | jm_: I've tried a combination of mount /dev/hdc and mount /media/cdrom |
| 06:31.46 | MoLoot | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
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| 06:31.54 | MoLoot | ... are the messages that I get |
| 06:32.02 | jm_ | MoLoot: wait, is this with burned CD-s? |
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| 06:32.12 | MoLoot | um, not burned yet |
| 06:32.22 | jm_ | so you know these CD-s are OK? |
| 06:32.23 | MoLoot | ... ahhhh |
| 06:32.29 | MoLoot | lemme switch it up |
| 06:33.00 | MoLoot | sonofa |
| 06:33.09 | MoLoot | heh, I guess it is the cds themselves |
| 06:33.22 | MoLoot | i put a debian cd in and mounted it just fine |
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| 06:34.52 | jm_ | ok, so it's either they're not burned correctly due to some glitch or you're not doing it correctly ;) |
| 06:36.39 | deadcat | damn my dvd got lost via ups or something. it was in CA, then went to KY, now at IL )= fucking UPS |
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| 06:37.05 | xulf | just dont ship fedex |
| 06:37.05 | SoloFlyer | i have a webserver is running apache/debian its ack responses are sometimes over 1 second... anyone got any idea...? ping times to the server are about 70ms... but there is over 65 concurrent active bittorrent connections happeneing in the background... i seems as if there is a maximum connections or something... |
| 06:37.13 | ke6isf | xulf: Why not? |
| 06:37.24 | deadcat | xulf: they worst? |
| 06:37.33 | xulf | the.. worst |
| 06:37.39 | ke6isf | xulf: Really? Why? |
| 06:37.44 | xulf | http://www.dodoskido.com/archives/000356-i-hate-fedex.html |
| 06:37.58 | ke6isf | xulf: Did you write that? Have you ever shipped fedex before? |
| 06:38.03 | deadcat | hahaha. snapped |
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| 06:38.08 | xulf | as far as my own experience theres a lot to explain |
| 06:38.22 | xulf | they can ship me a package but they seem unable to pick one up |
| 06:38.32 | ke6isf | xulf: Do you have an account with them? |
| 06:38.37 | xulf | not only that but they damaged my goods |
| 06:38.41 | ke6isf | xulf: Semi important - ground or express? |
| 06:38.54 | ke6isf | xulf: And further, were said goods packaged properly? |
| 06:38.59 | xulf | they seem unable to pick up a package here, ground |
| 06:39.17 | ke6isf | xulf: ...oh, ground. =/ |
| 06:39.27 | xulf | the metal of the switch was bent.. needs more then 100 psi of pressure Im thinking |
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| 06:40.40 | xulf | the package was insured and they need to collect the package and give it back to me for inspection but they mysteriously are unable to find their way to the apartment door for the 4th time.. even tho ive never missed a fedex package before |
| 06:40.40 | SoloFlyer | so anyone know if there is maximum connections in linux kernel? |
| 06:41.07 | xulf | just cant pick one up ... _riight_ ? |
| 06:41.34 | ke6isf | xulf: What's the tracking number? I work for FedEx. |
| 06:41.39 | xulf | by the weight of the item and strength of the metal |
| 06:41.55 | ke6isf | xulf: PSI is a measurement for air pressure, not force. |
| 06:42.13 | xulf | pounds per square inch isn't it? |
| 06:42.28 | SoloFlyer | yes |
| 06:42.37 | SoloFlyer | its a measure of pressure |
| 06:42.41 | SoloFlyer | any kind of pressure |
| 06:43.02 | xulf | the switches are about 60 pounds each |
| 06:43.12 | xulf | the metal casing holds the box |
| 06:43.19 | xulf | and the metal casing was bent |
| 06:43.21 | xulf | this is no joke |
| 06:43.22 | ke6isf | xulf: At any rate, what's the tracking number? |
| 06:43.41 | xulf | well I have a claim number now |
| 06:43.55 | ke6isf | xulf: Shoot it to me in a PM. I'll see if I can get someone on the horn. |
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| 06:44.24 | deadcat | seems like most people use urxvt over xterm. wonder why |
| 06:44.51 | jm_ | what's wrong with them? I also use mrxvt |
| 06:44.57 | ke6isf | deadcat: I use aterm, fwiw. |
| 06:45.24 | deadcat | but most people prefer rxvt. because they are smaller? compared to xterm or aterm? |
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| 06:46.12 | MoLoot | jm_: well, I could mount one and see the filesystem... now can't get it to mount new cds ( |
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| 06:46.27 | deadcat | i use xterm because its on pretty much all linux box (= and my configs are made for xterm. |
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| 06:49.23 | aalex | Hmmm... My new old PC stucks at PCI device listing.... (startup) What should I do? |
| 06:49.36 | aalex | is there a channel for BIOS, PC, etc. |
| 06:49.39 | jair | hello guys I am having a little problem with the UTF-8 and the spanish showing the web site, should I change the language of the Linux OS? or is just apache? |
| 06:50.00 | jair | for some reason the spanish characters are appearing incorrectly |
| 06:50.04 | seductive_angel | hi |
| 06:50.08 | jair | hello |
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| 06:54.50 | mo-1991 | will the madwifi drivers work with debian 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 06:54.55 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:55.38 | deadcat | i lied (= |
| 06:55.41 | deadcat | jokes on him |
| 06:55.58 | rAz_ | well, your help have been benefic, i founded the real problem, that was an option in my Bios which wasnt correctly checked. Thank you again. |
| 06:56.33 | deadcat | how do i make dpkg list all the factoids that contains e17? |
| 06:56.54 | jm_ | deadcat: in factoid name or in factoid text? |
| 06:57.04 | deadcat | jm_: name. then text |
| 06:57.14 | deadcat | jm_: i want to know the repo for e17 .deb |
| 06:57.15 | aalex | jair : very easy.... no, change the headers, HTML-faked headers and file charset until they all match the same charset. easy... i told you |
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| 06:57.18 | deadcat | Gne is not here right now |
| 06:57.23 | deadcat | Gnea |
| 06:57.25 | rAz_ | take care with it.. i tryed to install libs for e17 the last night... and after problem i dont manage to suppress libs... |
| 06:57.42 | deadcat | rAz_: theres .deb |
| 06:57.47 | jair | aalex, hold on |
| 06:57.51 | jm_ | deadcat: /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; /msg dpkg listavlues foo |
| 06:57.55 | deadcat | k |
| 06:57.55 | aalex | so, is there a channel for the PC, BIOS. etc ? im stuck |
| 06:57.58 | rAz_ | deadcat, where can i found it ? |
| 06:57.59 | jair | aalex, do you want to see the example of the page. |
| 06:58.08 | deadcat | rAz_: i am searching |
| 06:58.11 | aalex | jair : well, i know this is the right diagnosis |
| 06:58.12 | deadcat | jm_: i was doing listfactoids (= |
| 06:58.16 | jair | aalex, what is the problem with your bios? |
| 06:58.36 | rAz_ | okay. HL me if you found it thanks before :) |
| 06:58.36 | jair | aalex, go to this site please: chismevision.com |
| 06:58.36 | aalex | jair : hem, my computer is stuck at PCI device listing.... |
| 06:58.52 | jair | debian stable? etch sid? |
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| 06:59.34 | vin` | jm_: s/av/va :) |
| 06:59.48 | deadcat | !efm |
| 06:59.48 | dpkg | well, efm is Enlightenment File Manager and since its no longer available from enlightenent.org (discontinued development, enlightenment is enveloping is again in E17) , or you can add this line to your sources.list: "deb http://people.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads efm-cvs/" |
| 06:59.58 | deadcat | oops |
| 07:00.06 | aalex | jair : this is ok : http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> |
| 07:00.09 | deadcat | rAz_: cant find it. )= |
| 07:00.25 | rAz_ | "scheiss" :/ |
| 07:00.30 | jair | aalex, from where did you get that? |
| 07:00.36 | aalex | jair, the file's character set is actually iso-8859-1 |
| 07:00.42 | aalex | jair : source code of the page |
| 07:00.53 | vin` | opera9 widgets looks amazing, will firefox or similar ever get there? |
| 07:00.58 | deadcat | rAz_: Gnea knows where to get the .deb |
| 07:00.59 | aalex | jair : for some reason, apache send a header saying that this file is utf8 |
| 07:01.01 | jair | aalex, ok so the problem is the page or the apache server 2.0? |
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| 07:01.14 | aalex | jair: its real charset IS iso-8859-1 |
| 07:01.27 | aalex | jair : can you code in PHP? |
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| 07:01.28 | jair | where or how could I change that? |
| 07:01.41 | jair | aalex, not php that page is in php? |
| 07:01.48 | jair | aalex, did not check that |
| 07:01.49 | aalex | jair : can yuo change the file and add a little php script |
| 07:01.56 | glick | excuse me what do you think it means when you type w it says no users even though im logged on at the machine and through ssh from another machine |
| 07:02.00 | rAz_ | ok deadcat ... he left the channel at the moment ? :/ |
| 07:02.04 | glick | and who gives me no output whatsoever |
| 07:02.05 | deadcat | ya |
| 07:02.06 | aalex | jair : well i dunno, but i know a way to fix this |
| 07:02.06 | jair | yes if you help me and test it with me ;) |
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| 07:02.21 | ircdevil | clear |
| 07:02.22 | aalex | jair ; well.... I will just tell you this : |
| 07:02.27 | jair | aalex, you want to testt? |
| 07:02.29 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.29 | glick | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 07:02.47 | aalex | jair : paid ? ; -) |
| 07:03.10 | aalex | jair : hem, you need to send a HTTP request saying that this file is iso-8859-1 |
| 07:03.15 | glick | anyone? |
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| 07:03.28 | aalex | jair : you can use either .htacces, php or whatever |
| 07:03.37 | aalex | jair : and it will work |
| 07:03.53 | Grant_ | Anyone know how to fix this error i get in mail.logs "amavis[5766]: (05766-02) ask_av (ClamAV-clamd) FAILED - unexpected result: /var/lib/amavis/tmp/amavis-20060209T151829-05766/parts: Access denied. ERROR\n" |
| 07:03.57 | jair | aalex, not to much experience on it, but basically what I have to do? |
| 07:04.09 | aalex | jair : in firefox, you can change the viewing character set in one of the menus. you ll see, its iso88591 |
| 07:04.19 | jair | aalex, where could I get an example of that? |
| 07:04.26 | aalex | jair :" google on .htaccess and character set |
| 07:04.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:04.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:05.02 | jair | aalex, but I will prefer have the change from the server so anybody that access the page can see it correctly |
| 07:05.04 | aalex | jair : http://www.google.ca/search?hs=LyP&hl=fr&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Afr%3Aofficial&q=htaccess+character+set+site%3Ahttpd.apache.org&btnG=Rechercher&meta= |
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| 07:05.21 | jair | aalex, I can not have all clients or users change their browsers. |
| 07:05.25 | aalex | jair : there you go |
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| 07:05.55 | deadcat | ah. sunday night is my internet porn night (= |
| 07:06.01 | aalex | jair : read the second link on that google page |
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| 07:06.16 | glick | excuse me what do you think it means when you type w it says no users even though im logged on at the machine and through ssh from another machine |
| 07:06.26 | jair | aalex, ok I will read it, but to let you know the page is hosted in a virtual hos apache 2.0 |
| 07:07.11 | aalex | jair : this page is the apache documentation 2.0 |
| 07:07.12 | mo1991 | can anyone help me building a .deb package from the madwifi source - I have done this before and gotten it working but for some reason the resulting .debs don't work when I rebuild them - doing something wrong - any help |
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| 07:07.31 | jair | aalex, but you notice the problem on the page correct? |
| 07:07.39 | jair | chismevision.com |
| 07:07.44 | aalex | jair : you need to write a file named .htaccess containing instructions to send the correct charset header using mod_mime |
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| 07:08.08 | jair | aalex, and that file can be written on vi? |
| 07:08.14 | aalex | jair : sure. i know that problem. I speak french. Hablo frances. |
| 07:08.29 | jair | aalex, and after I write it I will need to place it in what directory path? |
| 07:09.06 | jair | aalex, Bonjour.... comment allez-vous?? |
| 07:09.27 | neenee | en anglais s'il vous plait |
| 07:09.36 | neenee | use #debian-fr if you prefer french. |
| 07:09.39 | jair | aalex, I have a girlfriend from Paris right now very nice girl and open mind. |
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| 07:09.56 | fuzza | hi all |
| 07:10.17 | Punkcut | hi i just got handed a debian server and i was wondering if debian has a doc site. |
| 07:10.21 | jair | aalex, ok let's focus so i will read that file, but the file will have to be placed on what path? |
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| 07:10.29 | fuzza | what's the general status of sata hotswap support under linux these days? (hardware dependant, or...?) |
| 07:10.44 | valent|n0 | the only thing i CAN'T change is the display driver... gah |
| 07:10.52 | neenee | punkcut: you might like wiki.debian.org |
| 07:10.59 | jm_ | Linux SATA status page has the answer to that |
| 07:11.06 | valent|n0 | how do you do it ?? |
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| 07:12.32 | fuzza | jm_: it does?... ah, there it is :) ta |
| 07:13.01 | aalex | jair : you will put it like this : /home/jair/public_html/.htaccess |
| 07:13.18 | jair | aalex, ok even when is a virtual hosting? |
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| 07:13.22 | deadcat | rAz_: http://www2.get-e.org/E17_User_Guide/English/_pages/2.2.html |
| 07:14.02 | sobersabre | guys off topic q. is there a way to know how many licenses for matlab is left in a corp. network currently ? some kind of license server query ... ? |
| 07:14.13 | tarzeau | someone know a song of "no angels" with the text "if i could sing a song for you"? or of someone else? i heard it in the radio and i would like an mp3/ogg of it now |
| 07:14.13 | aalex | jair : just try to write this ::::: AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .html .php |
| 07:14.21 | aalex | (without the ::::::) |
| 07:14.34 | aalex | jair : in a single file named like i told you |
| 07:14.37 | jair | aalex, ok let's see if this works ;) |
| 07:14.38 | rAz_ | well, i'll try it.. but i think i have to uninstall the libs i already compile. |
| 07:14.45 | Punkcut | neenee - seems a bit bare - ill just be forward im looking for a LAMP tutorial on debian |
| 07:14.48 | jair | aalex, ok I will do it. |
| 07:14.52 | rAz_ | but i tryed make uninstall and doesnt work... : D |
| 07:14.54 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbbblesss! |
| 07:15.10 | tarzeau | vin`: #bub-n-bros ? |
| 07:15.23 | mo1991 | how do I set it up so that apt/synaptic will not update a package even if there is one available? |
| 07:15.32 | tarzeau | !hold |
| 07:15.33 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 07:15.35 | tarzeau | mo1991: fo ryou |
| 07:16.48 | mo1991 | tarzeau what config file is it actually entereing the package to not be updated? |
| 07:17.09 | tarzeau | mo1991: i don't know |
| 07:17.18 | tarzeau | mo1991: i always get the latest and greates of sid and experimental |
| 07:17.38 | tarzeau | mo1991: and if it's broken i fix it if i want, otherwise i kill time with more joyful things |
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| 07:19.17 | chapeaurouge | hi all... i downloaded the source of a pkg with apt-get source, patched some files, and now, I would like to rebuild this pkg. What is the easy/fastest way? any links? thanks |
| 07:20.15 | sobersabre | mo1991 you do it in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 07:21.08 | jm_ | chapeaurouge: debuild |
| 07:21.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:21.28 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 07:21.59 | jair | aalex, ok I think that this is the directory you are talking about: /home/virtual/chismevision.com/var/www/html |
| 07:22.11 | chapeaurouge | jm_, debuild? I can't find it in the sarge repos.. i have dpkg-buildpackage.... :\ |
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| 07:22.18 | mo1991 | sobersable what do I add to apt.conf? |
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| 07:22.40 | jair | aalex, here I have this: http://pastebin.com/546284 |
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| 07:23.22 | jair | aalex, so I will create an .html or .php file with the info you gave me? or it can be any .txt file? |
| 07:23.25 | mo1991 | sobersabre what do I add to the apt.conf file? |
| 07:23.35 | jm_ | chapeaurouge: /msg dpkginstallit |
| 07:23.38 | jm_ | chapeaurouge: /msg dpkg installit |
| 07:24.48 | liable | mo1991: do what dpkg said. (preferably use aptitude and 'aptitude hold foo') |
| 07:24.48 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 07:25.15 | deadcat | usn_work: AOL is down the hall |
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| 07:25.52 | usn_work | *shrug* |
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| 07:26.17 | chapeaurouge | jm_, ok thx... devscripts.. |
| 07:26.31 | Daedalus_ | Anyone here know how to turn off console blanking _without_ using setterm? |
| 07:26.56 | deadcat | no |
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| 07:27.36 | jm_ | chapeaurouge: indeed |
| 07:28.04 | chapeaurouge | jm_, how about the options to debuild? -us -uc is good enough? it's for my own use |
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| 07:29.17 | sobersabre | mo1991 man apt_preferences |
| 07:29.30 | sobersabre | you need to "pin" a version |
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| 07:29.42 | sobersabre | ( somebody correct me if I am wrong ) |
| 07:29.55 | aalex | jair : has to be named .htacces |
| 07:29.59 | aalex | jair : has to be named .htaccess |
| 07:30.09 | jair | ok |
| 07:30.26 | jair | aalex, but it is nothing with the httpd.conf right? |
| 07:30.36 | aalex | jair : has to be named /home/virtual/chismevision.com/var/www/html/.htaccess |
| 07:30.46 | jair | aalex, nice and add the info you gave me. |
| 07:30.48 | jair | :) |
| 07:30.52 | jair | let's do it now |
| 07:30.55 | jair | :) |
| 07:31.29 | aalex | jair : well, you could have done it in the httpd.conf, but its more complicated and you might mess it up |
| 07:31.47 | jair | aalex, ok not a problem let me try here first. |
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| 07:32.15 | cavediver | Hi. Is there a good availible channel for discussion on cryptsetup/dmcrypt ? |
| 07:32.25 | deadcat | no |
| 07:32.44 | cavediver | Ok. |
| 07:32.55 | Daedalus_ | deadcat: You're just all sorts of negative today ;) |
| 07:33.00 | cavediver | :) |
| 07:33.06 | deadcat | Daedalus_: what? thats the right answer (= |
| 07:33.15 | sobersabre | very strange... a debian domain member machine gets kicked off the domain each 3 months... |
| 07:33.16 | deadcat | there isnt one. but he can ask here.. hehe |
| 07:33.24 | Daedalus_ | Hehe. Fair enough |
| 07:33.33 | rAz_ | someone meets problem with pypanel and nvidia settings ? |
| 07:33.39 | sobersabre | i mean samba (AD ) |
| 07:33.39 | cavediver | I have a few encrypted volymes and have the same key. I want to open them all without typing the key for each volume. Very annoying. |
| 07:33.48 | jair | aalex, when I type "vi .htaccess" this appear: http://pastebin.com/546293 |
| 07:33.48 | sobersabre | what can cause that ? |
| 07:33.51 | deadcat | rAz_: anything python lag as hell |
| 07:33.57 | ircdevil | setting up a wireless network interface have confused me (i think i have struck some really old docs). what is required? |
| 07:34.04 | sobersabre | can win2k3 server know this isn't windows client and kick it off each X days ? |
| 07:34.04 | jair | aalex, but I think I have to add the info in that file and save iut. |
| 07:34.15 | vin` | ircdevil: man wireless |
| 07:34.22 | deadcat | cavediver: i hear ya. but i only have one and i open it when i need to put files in. so its ok for me |
| 07:34.40 | rAz_ | ok, what program you advice me to have a good usefull panel ( before e17 :D ) |
| 07:34.44 | Daedalus_ | ircdevil: apt-get install wireless-tools; man iwconfig |
| 07:34.52 | deadcat | cavediver: if you dont want to type the key. dont use dmcrypt or maybe install expect <- MIGHT work |
| 07:34.53 | aalex | jair : right. at the end |
| 07:35.25 | aalex | jair : it might be overwritten when you change the password for some dir |
| 07:35.31 | aalex | jair : keep a backuup |
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| 07:35.39 | cavediver | deadcat: Well, I don't mind typing the key. Just want to know if one can save some time somehow. |
| 07:35.42 | jair | it will look like this then: http://pastebin.com/546294 |
| 07:35.43 | ircdevil | vin`: Daedalus_ i get some funny warning from iwconfig: Warning: Driver for device eth2 has been compiled with version 19 of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 17. |
| 07:35.43 | Punkcut | why cant i find mysql 5.1 in the debian package repo |
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| 07:35.48 | deadcat | ircdevil: iwconfig DEVICE essid ESSID mode managed key s:phrase OR key HEX; dhclient DEVICE |
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| 07:35.53 | jair | aalex, ok I will do a back up right now. |
| 07:35.59 | vin` | ircdevil: that is only a warning. |
| 07:36.00 | Punkcut | aptitude search mysql | grep 5 returned nothing |
| 07:36.10 | tarzeau | Punkcut: because it's not there? |
| 07:36.15 | tarzeau | Punkcut: i do have 5.0 available |
| 07:36.18 | tarzeau | Punkcut: you're not on sid? |
| 07:36.29 | Punkcut | i just got handed a server and told to get amp up on here |
| 07:36.32 | vin` | tarzeau: getting 1.5, will try in a while. |
| 07:36.35 | Punkcut | im coming from a debian/suse background |
| 07:36.35 | ircdevil | deadcat: no need to edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:36.42 | Punkcut | s/debian/gentoo |
| 07:36.42 | tarzeau | vin`: it failed for me on windows |
| 07:36.43 | Daedalus_ | ircdevil: You have a newer kernel and an older version of wireless tools. |
| 07:36.54 | ircdevil | Daedalus_: both :o) |
| 07:36.56 | deadcat | ircdevil: you can. just put the same thing in there as you put in the command line |
| 07:36.57 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:37.02 | tarzeau | Punkcut: i don't know what amp is, but you can either use 5.0 with sid or do your own packages |
| 07:37.08 | Punkcut | apache mysql php |
| 07:37.09 | tarzeau | Punkcut: or have a look at experimental |
| 07:37.10 | ircdevil | testing ... |
| 07:37.10 | superlinux | i wanna use freeradius for 802.1X authentication |
| 07:37.13 | jair | aalex, that looks like good? |
| 07:37.17 | tarzeau | !amp |
| 07:37.17 | dpkg | methinks amp is an Audio MPEG Player. [non-free] |
| 07:37.25 | tarzeau | dpkg amp is also apache mysql php |
| 07:37.25 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 07:37.26 | deadcat | ircdevil: wireless_mode managed <-- just put wireless_ infront of each option |
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| 07:37.29 | jair | or I have to remove the .html and .php? |
| 07:37.54 | superlinux | but the issue is that it lacks documentation, do u know a recent book about it |
| 07:37.58 | superlinux | ? |
| 07:38.16 | Punkcut | tarzeau - ok so if i just remove the current mysql package and compile my own 5.1 instance - am i gonna be ok or is there gonna be cruft left over? |
| 07:38.30 | tarzeau | Punkcut: that sounds fine |
| 07:38.42 | Punkcut | thanks for the help tarzeau |
| 07:38.55 | ircdevil | deadcat: receive_packet failed on eth2: Network is down |
| 07:38.55 | jm_ | Punkcut: you won't be able to install anything that depends on mysql that way |
| 07:39.03 | Punkcut | o wtf... |
| 07:39.32 | Punkcut | cant i just add the experimental repo or something |
| 07:39.33 | ircdevil | deadcat: i better make sure i have the correct modules loaded |
| 07:39.40 | deadcat | ya |
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| 07:40.00 | tarzeau | Punkcut: sure you can, but did you check if it's in there? |
| 07:40.22 | Punkcut | aptitude search mysql | grep 5 |
| 07:40.36 | jair | aalex, done I will check the page now |
| 07:40.37 | jm_ | there are unofficial repositories with mysql 5 I guess, but you're on your own using that |
| 07:40.38 | tarzeau | still no gcc 4.1 in sid.. :( |
| 07:40.49 | jair | chismevision.com |
| 07:40.53 | rAz_ | is a panel written in pearl language might be better than a panel writen in python ? |
| 07:40.53 | tarzeau | jm_: it's also in sid... |
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| 07:40.56 | Punkcut | jm_ your kidding me theres no experimental branch for the debian repos? |
| 07:40.59 | jm_ | tarzeau: is he using sid? |
| 07:41.05 | tarzeau | jm_: no |
| 07:41.09 | jm_ | tarzeau: well then .... |
| 07:41.17 | tarzeau | jm_: but sid is better than unofficial stuff, isn't it? |
| 07:41.27 | tarzeau | !pearl |
| 07:41.27 | dpkg | somebody said pearl was perl, damnit |
| 07:41.30 | ma3x | why 'qtparted' doesn't detect my /dev/sda? |
| 07:41.30 | tarzeau | rAz_: no |
| 07:41.33 | jm_ | Punkcut: you shouldn't touch experimental or sid with a 10 feet pole at this moment |
| 07:41.44 | jm_ | tarzeau: not for people like Punkcut |
| 07:41.44 | rAz_ | ok |
| 07:41.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: cfdisk /dev/sda works? |
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| 07:42.05 | Kumasan | anyone here use qmail? |
| 07:42.12 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 07:42.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:42.15 | tarzeau | Kumasan: #qmail |
| 07:42.20 | Punkcut | jm_ : yah this is production - i dont want an OS thats gonna crap itself on here |
| 07:42.34 | ma3x | tarzeau, no, but cfdisk /dev/sda1 works |
| 07:42.39 | Kumasan | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 07:42.41 | ma3x | tarzeau, why /dev/sda doesnt work? |
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| 07:42.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: cfdisk /dev/sda1 is wrong |
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| 07:43.02 | tarzeau | ma3x: something is screwed up badly |
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| 07:43.54 | ma3x | tarzeau, what!? |
| 07:44.26 | Punkcut | jm_ tarzeau - what kinda command can i use to just wipe this entire AMP stack |
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| 07:44.39 | Punkcut | you guys got a depclean or something on here? thats not gonna b0rk my system |
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| 07:45.12 | ircdevil | deadcat: the wireless card should be identified as ethX or wlanX ? |
| 07:45.33 | ma3x | come on help me out here pls |
| 07:45.43 | jair | aalex, ? |
| 07:45.48 | ma3x | why are the partition managers unable to access /dev/sda? |
| 07:46.03 | xsquared | hi, im looking for a program that retrieves the latest rss entries and when a new rss entry is created, i want a popup (like msn's popups/norton antivirus') to come up and tell me |
| 07:46.03 | ma3x | and I can mount the drive as /dev/sda1 with no problems! |
| 07:46.05 | ircdevil | ma3x: you dont have scsi? |
| 07:46.07 | xsquared | is there something like that? |
| 07:46.21 | ma3x | ircdevil, it's an external usb drive with scsi emulation I think |
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| 07:46.32 | deadcat | ircdevil: depends on the driver. |
| 07:46.36 | ircdevil | ma3x: i think you are wrong |
| 07:46.40 | jm_ | xsquared: liferea has an option to show a popup, but it has never worked for me in Sarge |
| 07:46.41 | ma3x | ircdevil, why? |
| 07:46.46 | deadcat | ircdevil: what card/chipset you got? |
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| 07:47.03 | ircdevil | ma3x: what does cat /proc/partitions tell you? |
| 07:47.04 | xsquared | jm_: ok, i'll check it out.. thanks |
| 07:47.29 | ma3x | ircdevil, there is 8 0 39070080 sda |
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| 07:47.39 | fEnIo | hello |
| 07:47.47 | ma3x | and a whole bunch of other partitions |
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| 07:47.51 | ircdevil | deadcat: from lspci Network controller: Intersil Corporation ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) (its a 802.11g one) |
| 07:47.59 | xsquared | fEnIo!!!oneone!!11~~one!! |
| 07:48.02 | xsquared | hello |
| 07:48.23 | ircdevil | ma3x: and you want to re-partition the drive? |
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| 07:48.35 | deadcat | ircdevil: probably using either orinoco or hostap, lsmod |egrep "orin|hostap" see what you get. iwconfig and see which shows up. ethX = orinoco, wlanX = hostap |
| 07:48.38 | fEnIo | I've just recompiled kernel myself, and mrtg stopped work after that... are there any relevant kernel options I could forgot about? |
| 07:49.26 | ma3x | ircdevil, NO, I have 40 GB data! |
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| 07:49.44 | ma3x | ircdevil, if I wanted to repartition it, I wouldn't ask you |
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| 07:49.54 | tarzeau | fEnIo: still playing with debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 07:50.05 | ma3x | ircdevil, I want to fix that /dev/sda |
| 07:50.08 | liable | ma3x: what error does cfdisk give with /dev/sda? what the hell do you want to do with it then? |
| 07:50.10 | fEnIo | yes, but this problem is related to Linux ;) |
| 07:50.17 | jair | aalex, any other idea? |
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| 07:50.23 | jair | aalex, :( |
| 07:50.23 | ircdevil | liable: thanks :o) |
| 07:50.25 | grass-root | anyone now running 64bit debian? |
| 07:50.32 | ircdevil | deadcat: nothing shows |
| 07:50.34 | tarzeau | grass-root: yeah on my alpha and ultrasparc |
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| 07:51.11 | deadcat | ircdevil: hmm. very strange. it should atleast load hostap_pci or orinoco_pci.. |
| 07:51.19 | grass-root | tarzeau:32bit application and drivers can run on 64bit debian? |
| 07:51.31 | tarzeau | grass-root: alpha is 64bit only |
| 07:51.37 | ircdevil | deadcat: i just build a new kernel last night, i may have missed some important stuff, (though i think i have all modules compiled, but not necessarily loaded) |
| 07:51.38 | tarzeau | grass-root: ultrasparc is mixed |
| 07:51.44 | ma3x | liable, FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive |
| 07:51.51 | tarzeau | grass-root: which debian? Hurd? Linux? or kFreeBSD? |
| 07:51.51 | deadcat | ircdevil: maybe you missed all the wireless stuff (= |
| 07:52.12 | grass-root | tarzeau:Linux |
| 07:52.16 | tarzeau | grass-root: on i386? |
| 07:52.25 | grass-root | tarzeau:yes. |
| 07:52.37 | tarzeau | grass-root: please check http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 07:52.46 | deadcat | ircdevil: egrep "HOSTAP|ORINOCO" /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 07:52.47 | ircdevil | deadcat: sure, i have no idea what the stuff is called in make menuconfig :o) - i just chose what was straigh-forward |
| 07:52.54 | grass-root | tarzeau:thank you. |
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| 07:53.05 | deadcat | ircdevil: why you need to compile? |
| 07:53.25 | liable | ma3x: whats fdisk -l /dev/sda say? |
| 07:53.44 | ma3x | liable, nothing |
| 07:54.04 | ircdevil | deadcat: CONFIG_HOSTAP=m && CONFIG_HOSTAP_PLX=m && CONFIG_HOSTAP_PCI=m (and then i didnt select the firmware thing) |
| 07:54.15 | ircdevil | deadcat: i just upgraded kernel |
| 07:54.32 | deadcat | just try to load hostap_pci see what it does then |
| 07:55.43 | liable | ma3x: strange. |
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| 07:56.09 | grass-root | tarzeau:I got what I want.thank u. :-) |
| 07:56.18 | liable | ma3x: anything interesting in kernel logs? |
| 07:56.20 | elno | how to know if opengl is installed? |
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| 07:56.48 | ma3x | liable, nothing interesting in dmesg |
| 07:56.54 | ircdevil | deadcat: ok - loaded |
| 07:56.59 | ma3x | liable, the thing is I can mount /dev/sda1, but can't access /dev/sda |
| 07:57.05 | ma3x | so what do we do now? |
| 07:57.40 | elno | !opengl |
| 07:57.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 07:58.17 | ma3x | how can I see for how long has wlan0 been up? |
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| 07:58.38 | simonrvn | ma3x: um, yeh. that's normal you can mount sda1 |
| 07:58.49 | liable | ma3x: i dont know why cfdisk wont open it. but what are you trying to do with it anyway? |
| 07:59.14 | vin` | ircdevil: hostap will work, else try madwifi. |
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| 07:59.22 | ma3x | liable: delete the 2nd ntfs partition, and resize the ext. partition to the maximum |
| 07:59.40 | streuner | elno: so what's your real question? |
| 07:59.45 | Grant_ | Anyone know how to fix this error i get in mail.logs "amavis[5766]: (05766-02) ask_av (ClamAV-clamd) FAILED - unexpected result: /var/lib/amavis/tmp/amavis-20060209T151829-05766/parts: Access denied. ERROR\n" |
| 07:59.47 | ircdevil | deadcat vin`: ok, it is loaded. then what? |
| 07:59.49 | Grant_ | Can anyone help me with that? |
| 08:00.01 | vin` | ircdevil: did you read man wireless? |
| 08:00.04 | deadcat | ircdevil: iwconfig see if it shows up |
| 08:00.48 | elno | streuner: i wan to know if opengl is working properly |
| 08:01.00 | ma3x | See dondelelcaro at SCALE in the Debian booth |
| 08:01.03 | ma3x | how can you see him? |
| 08:01.08 | streuner | elno: why? |
| 08:01.12 | liable | go there? |
| 08:01.17 | ma3x | go where? |
| 08:01.31 | elno | streuner: coz my ati card is going slow in 3D benchmarks |
| 08:01.32 | valent|n0 | how do I find out whats my kerlnel version is? |
| 08:01.37 | valent|n0 | kernel |
| 08:01.44 | liable | SCALE (wherever the hell that is) |
| 08:01.47 | vin` | valent|n0: cat /proc/version |
| 08:01.54 | valent|n0 | thx |
| 08:01.59 | ircdevil | deadcat: i must still be missing something. here is the output of iwconfig: http://pastebin.com/546312 |
| 08:02.06 | ma3x | ok, will someone help me with the /dev/sda ? |
| 08:02.25 | ma3x | how come so many experts here, and not even one knows the solution? |
| 08:02.34 | Grant_ | ? |
| 08:02.38 | vin` | ma3x: what is your problem? |
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| 08:02.52 | ircdevil | ma3x: because noone wants to repartition disks with data on it! :o) |
| 08:02.58 | deadcat | ircdevil: hmm. eth2 looks strange. |
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| 08:03.02 | liable | ircdevil: try without encryption |
| 08:03.20 | ma3x | ircdevil, I dont want to repaartion, but to access it, and then choose what to do.... |
| 08:03.37 | ma3x | vin`, I can't access /dev/sda with different partition managers |
| 08:03.38 | vin` | ma3x: is sd_mod loaded? |
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| 08:03.53 | ma3x | vin`, yes it is loaded |
| 08:03.53 | vin` | ma3x: ah, from the installer? |
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| 08:04.01 | ma3x | vin`, from parted, fdisk .... |
| 08:04.07 | xeltran | DHG |
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| 08:04.18 | ma3x | vin`, any clue? |
| 08:04.19 | elno | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) , how to fix this error? |
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| 08:04.35 | vin` | ma3x: did yu try mounting it? |
| 08:04.40 | ircdevil | deadcat: so eth2 is the wireless device? how to confirm that? |
| 08:04.42 | vin` | *you |
| 08:04.44 | ma3x | vin`, if I mount /dev/sda1, it works fine! |
| 08:04.57 | elno | anyway to force the remove of 1 package? |
| 08:05.02 | ircdevil | !tell ma3x about sicco |
| 08:05.17 | deadcat | ircdevil: iwconfig shows.. thats how you confirm. and it has settings. just dont know why those mesages |
| 08:05.20 | vin` | ircdevil: iwconfig |
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| 08:05.46 | ircdevil | oki |
| 08:06.01 | deadcat | ircdevil: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/iwconfig |
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| 08:06.10 | ma3x | ircdevil, what the hell is the problem? he asked me if I tried to mount it , and I told him that I can mount it |
| 08:06.17 | liable | ircdevil: did you compile a kernel or just modules? |
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| 08:06.39 | ircdevil | liable: modules |
| 08:06.41 | deadcat | ircdevil: check that link. notice i dont have that error. and i am using hostap_pci driver. |
| 08:06.43 | ma3x | ircdevil, or you decided it's sicco, since you're unable to help? |
| 08:06.46 | liable | ircdevil: try either a newer wireless tools, or older modules. read the readme for the modules. |
| 08:06.53 | elno | no way to force the removal of 1 package? |
| 08:07.05 | ircdevil | ma3x: i am just so very confused about what it is you are trying to do |
| 08:07.06 | liable | elno: man dpkg /force |
| 08:07.31 | ircdevil | liable: hmmm |
| 08:07.32 | tdz | hello, im new to debian, and having trouble booting the second disk, even though disk 1 and 3 boot fine, can anyone help me please? |
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| 08:07.58 | ma3x | ircdevil, I'm just trying to access my partition with parted, or fdisk! |
| 08:08.06 | cavediver | Is there a GTK interface for opening and mounting dmcrypt/cryptsetup-luks volumes ? |
| 08:08.22 | liable | ma3x: looks as though there is something wrong with your partition table or something. |
| 08:08.29 | deadcat | cavediver: no |
| 08:08.38 | cavediver | deadcat: ok. |
| 08:08.49 | ma3x | liable, so how do I fix it!? |
| 08:09.07 | liable | ma3x: possibly gpart. |
| 08:09.43 | liable | tdz: booting it? |
| 08:09.57 | liable | tdz: floppy or cd? |
| 08:10.00 | tdz | cd |
| 08:10.03 | ma3x | liable, *** Fatal error: open(/dev/sda): No such file or directory. |
| 08:10.22 | ma3x | liable, or should I do it on /dev/sda1 ? |
| 08:10.30 | liable | ma3x: no. |
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| 08:10.42 | ma3x | so it doesnt work on /dev/sda then! |
| 08:10.57 | simonrvn | what does ls -l /dev/sda say? |
| 08:11.26 | elno | Removing fglrx-driver ...dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to when removing`diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrxdiversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver' found `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver' dpkg: error processing fglrx-driver (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 08:11.48 | ma3x | simonrvn, ls: /dev/sda: No such file or directory |
| 08:11.52 | elno | ive used: dpkg -r --force-all fglrx-driver |
| 08:12.11 | jm_ | heh |
| 08:12.18 | ma3x | heh |
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| 08:12.29 | ma3x | how could that get removed? |
| 08:12.33 | ma3x | how do I recreate it? |
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| 08:13.01 | elno | .. any sugestion ?? is driving me nuts |
| 08:13.18 | simonrvn | cd /dev; sudo MAKEDEV sd |
| 08:13.45 | Dewi | could anyone suggest any resources for debugging ntpd/ |
| 08:13.46 | Dewi | ? |
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| 08:14.05 | liable | ma3x: are you using sarge? udev? |
| 08:14.09 | Dewi | (my configuration, not the source code) |
| 08:14.13 | ma3x | liable, no udev |
| 08:14.34 | jm_ | dewq;ntpq, the NTP page also lists some hints on what to check |
| 08:14.37 | ma3x | liable, i don't use udev |
| 08:14.39 | jm_ | Dewi ^^^^^^ |
| 08:14.42 | streuner | elno: what do you want to use instead, btw? |
| 08:14.51 | ma3x | simonrvn, you mean MAKEDEV sda? |
| 08:15.05 | liable | man makedev |
| 08:15.21 | ma3x | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/sda" |
| 08:15.22 | elno | streuner: i want to reinstall it, also, that error doesnt let me install anything else via apt |
| 08:15.35 | streuner | elno: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 08:15.48 | ma3x | ah ok |
| 08:15.49 | jm_ | use just MAKEDEV sda, but it won't work if you're using udev |
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| 08:16.04 | ma3x | simonrvn, now it works |
| 08:16.09 | ma3x | simonrvn, thanks a lot |
| 08:16.13 | ma3x | thanks to all too |
| 08:16.16 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:16.21 | elno | streuner: it says ; ii libc6 2.3.5-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 08:16.29 | ma3x | anyway I just wonder how come /dev/sda got deleted? |
| 08:16.47 | streuner | hm, etch |
| 08:16.56 | streuner | elno: what's the second line? |
| 08:17.12 | elno | 500 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 08:17.25 | streuner | elno: what does BTS say about? |
| 08:17.55 | elno | BTS ? |
| 08:17.59 | streuner | !info fglrx-driver etch |
| 08:18.07 | streuner | !tell elno about bts |
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| 08:18.30 | ircdevil | deadcat: ok - installing a new wireless-tools made the warning go away - http://pastebin.com/546314 |
| 08:18.48 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 08:18.48 | apt | hi, streuner |
| 08:18.56 | streuner | apt, tell elno about bts |
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| 08:19.54 | elno | omg its a bug... |
| 08:20.01 | liable | tdz: can you explain a little better the problem? |
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| 08:20.18 | Tallia1Kubuntu | hi there |
| 08:20.19 | streuner | elno: any workaround to fix it there? |
| 08:20.24 | Tallia1Kubuntu | i need to download kine for debian |
| 08:20.28 | Tallia1Kubuntu | but the reps are down.. |
| 08:20.33 | Tallia1Kubuntu | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkino%2Fkino_0.80-1_i386.deb&md5sum=b4971650450fe31436d6e80f7bcc7420&arch=i386&type=main |
| 08:20.37 | ma3x | when I try to resize the ext2 partition with 'qtparted' it says 'an error happened during ped_file_system_open call' |
| 08:20.37 | Tallia1Kubuntu | any suggestion? |
| 08:20.37 | elno | seeking |
| 08:20.40 | liable | ircdevil: try without encryption |
| 08:20.47 | ircdevil | tix64: apt-setup ? |
| 08:21.05 | ircdevil | liable: unload ieee80211_crypt ? |
| 08:21.20 | ircdevil | Tallia1Kubuntu: apt-setup ? |
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| 08:21.31 | liable | ircdevil: no, turn of wep on the router, and dont set a key |
| 08:21.36 | Tallia1Kubuntu | ircdevil: ? |
| 08:21.46 | Tallia1Kubuntu | i was trying to download only the package |
| 08:21.54 | Tallia1Kubuntu | is the server often down? |
| 08:21.59 | ma3x | i'm unable to run fsck /dev/sda |
| 08:22.01 | Tallia1Kubuntu | is there a mirror or something similar? |
| 08:22.05 | ma3x | The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 08:22.06 | ma3x | filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 |
| 08:22.06 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.13 | liable | Tallia1Kubuntu: /topic |
| 08:22.13 | ircdevil | Tallia1Kubuntu: depends on your sources.list - do you have the main debian server there? |
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| 08:22.22 | liable | Tallia1Kubuntu: been down a while now. |
| 08:22.28 | Tallia1Kubuntu | ircdevil: i am downloading the file by hand |
| 08:22.35 | Tallia1Kubuntu | liable: isn't there a mirror? |
| 08:22.51 | tdz | i installed the first disk of debian to my second drive, if i reboot with disk2 in = FD 2.88mb system type -(0F) Boot Failed |
| 08:22.52 | nkuttler | Tallia1Kubuntu: sure. just use an ftp client. |
| 08:22.57 | liable | Tallia1Kubuntu: no. you could try ftp one of the debian mirrors. |
| 08:22.58 | Tallia1Kubuntu | yes.. |
| 08:23.04 | Tallia1Kubuntu | how? |
| 08:23.08 | Tallia1Kubuntu | :) tnx |
| 08:23.18 | Tallia1Kubuntu | i dunno the ftp page... do you? |
| 08:23.20 | nkuttler | Tallia1Kubuntu: yourftpclient ftp.us.debian.org should work |
| 08:23.31 | Tallia1Kubuntu | tnx!! |
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| 08:23.55 | ircdevil | liable: i see - but i dont thing this is an encryption problem (yet) i just think i have failed get the card up and working (connection stuff is the next step) |
| 08:24.15 | jm_ | ma3x: stop right away |
| 08:24.28 | liable | ircdevil: what does dhclient eth2 do? |
| 08:24.29 | Tallia1Kubuntu | nkuttler: in which subdir can i find kile? |
| 08:24.48 | ma3x | jm_, is it normal to do fsck on /dev/hda, or it must be with a number, i.e. /dev/hda1,2 .. ? |
| 08:24.52 | Tallia1Kubuntu | liable: a new IP contract with a DHCP server |
| 08:25.00 | ircdevil | liable: receive_packet failed on eth2: Network is down |
| 08:25.04 | jm_ | ma3x: no, it's not normal, it must be with a number |
| 08:25.16 | ma3x | jm_, ok dude |
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| 08:25.24 | streuner | Tallia1Kubuntu: if you using kubuntu, /join #(k)ubuntu |
| 08:25.39 | Tallia1Kubuntu | i need only a debian package name |
| 08:25.48 | Tallia1Kubuntu | it doesn't matter kubuntu or not |
| 08:25.55 | liable | Tallia1Kubuntu: huh? |
| 08:26.00 | owner_ | which package is it |
| 08:26.04 | Tallia1Kubuntu | kile |
| 08:26.18 | Tallia1Kubuntu | i dunno in which folder of the ftp debian site i can find it |
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| 08:26.29 | Tallia1Kubuntu | explicitely the path |
| 08:26.31 | ircdevil | Tallia1Kubuntu: debain package name is "kile" |
| 08:26.35 | liable | ircdevil: why is it adhoc? |
| 08:26.41 | Tallia1Kubuntu | yes |
| 08:26.41 | liable | ircdevil: you have a router? |
| 08:26.48 | owner_ | thats in the repos tallial |
| 08:26.58 | Tallia1Kubuntu | sorry kino |
| 08:27.00 | owner_ | version 1:1.8 |
| 08:27.01 | Tallia1Kubuntu | not kile :) |
| 08:27.18 | owner_ | its also in the repos |
| 08:27.19 | Tallia1Kubuntu | i need to download the package by hand, i can't use the repos |
| 08:27.22 | ircdevil | liable: i just used the example from the man-page (wireless) - what should it be? |
| 08:27.26 | Tallia1Kubuntu | and i need the last version |
| 08:27.41 | nkuttler | Tallia1Kubuntu: we already know. i'm sure you will find it yourself. if not ask #ubuntu |
| 08:27.43 | liable | ircdevil: iwconfig mode managed eth2; dhclient eth2 |
| 08:27.46 | owner_ | i have .80 installed |
| 08:27.59 | owner_ | !find kino |
| 08:28.41 | Tallia1Kubuntu | nkuttler: don't you know where i can download the file but from FTP? |
| 08:28.52 | nkuttler | Tallia1Kubuntu: no |
| 08:29.11 | ircdevil | liable: no changes, im afraid |
| 08:29.28 | elno | omg, no workaround to this problem |
| 08:30.08 | ircdevil | liable: peculiar - mode still says ad-hoc |
| 08:30.18 | tdz | liable is there another way i can install whats on the debian disk2 |
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| 08:30.52 | liable | ircdevil: ifconfig it down. remove the modules, reload and reset the thing and paste ifconfig and iwconfig |
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| 08:30.59 | korE_ | Ah, good evening. |
| 08:31.06 | tdz | doug? |
| 08:31.13 | streuner | elno: mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglxr.* /tmp |
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| 08:31.40 | streuner | elno: apt-get -f install |
| 08:32.01 | streuner | elno: (dirty hack, but i hope it helps) |
| 08:32.11 | Tallia1Kubuntu | found.. |
| 08:33.06 | Tallia1Kubuntu | debian/pool/main/X/NAME |
| 08:33.06 | korE_ | How would I go about setting up pointing a domain name to my server. |
| 08:33.06 | Tallia1Kubuntu | X is hte initial of the package |
| 08:33.06 | liable | tdz: um, you dont install the disk, you install various packages from it, when you need them. Do you have fast internet? |
| 08:33.06 | Tallia1Kubuntu | name is the name of the package |
| 08:33.06 | tdz | yeah. |
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| 08:33.07 | elno | trying.... |
| 08:33.07 | korE_ | Setup nameserver pointing to ip and have the domain point to it's own nameserver. |
| 08:33.07 | liable | tdz: and you have actually installed debian? |
| 08:33.22 | elno | o my friking god... didnt work |
| 08:33.25 | tdz | well. grub will come up, and i can choose debian and login |
| 08:33.28 | tdz | thats it |
| 08:33.50 | streuner | elno: use the paster bot and tell us the full error |
| 08:33.53 | liable | tdz: login as root, run 'tasksel' and choose desktop |
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| 08:33.59 | liable | brb |
| 08:34.01 | streuner | apt, paster |
| 08:34.03 | streuner | apt, paste |
| 08:34.06 | apt | [paste] see http://paste.husk.org |
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| 08:34.11 | elno | !tell elno about paster |
| 08:34.12 | tdz | k, will try now |
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| 08:34.45 | streuner | elno: you get any result from the bot? |
| 08:34.53 | korE_ | Anyone point me in the right direction to setup a nameserver pointing to a specific IP and have the domain point to it's own name server? |
| 08:35.36 | elno | http://paste.husk.org/5147 |
| 08:35.44 | korE_ | Or tieing an ip to a domain name. |
| 08:35.50 | korE_ | Someone, anyone. |
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| 08:36.17 | streuner | dondelelcaro: there are problems with the bot... |
| 08:36.18 | e-type | hi all |
| 08:36.34 | elno | no receiving replies from bot |
| 08:36.40 | e-type | any speedtouch owners around? |
| 08:36.52 | e-type | I'm having trouble getting it to work consistently... |
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| 08:37.43 | streuner | unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory, elno, did you try to make the dir by hand? |
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| 08:38.18 | streuner | @paster |
| 08:38.20 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 08:38.30 | korE_ | So much for a supportive user base. I'll stick to FreeBSD. Thanks for all of your help. |
| 08:38.36 | vin` | ~paster |
| 08:38.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ldif2ldbw' returned no results. |
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| 08:38.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ipsumdump' returned no results. |
| 08:38.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/xcompmgr' returned no results. |
| 08:38.44 | streuner | apt, paster is <reply> Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 08:38.46 | apt | streuner: okay |
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| 08:38.46 | elno | well its a dependency of fglrx-driver , we just *hacked* |
| 08:38.47 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'intel_agp' returned no results. |
| 08:38.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'shares-admin' returned no results. |
| 08:39.02 | dondelelcaro | hello shm memory bug |
| 08:39.18 | streuner | shm? |
| 08:39.21 | vin` | dondelelcaro: aren't you at the booth? |
| 08:39.27 | dondelelcaro | vin`: won't be there until tomorrow |
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| 08:39.32 | vin` | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 08:39.35 | dondelelcaro | s/tomorrow/this weekend/ |
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| 08:40.11 | elno | oh now worked... forgot to install fgl driver |
| 08:40.30 | streuner | dpkg, paster |
| 08:40.31 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 08:41.32 | streuner | elno: how come, didn't you try to install xorg? |
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| 08:42.16 | elno | streuner: ive installed sarge to start, then switched to "testing", and installed xorg within, then started this problems |
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| 08:42.40 | elno | streuner: after switch to testing, just made : apt-get update |
| 08:42.45 | elno | apt-get upgrade |
| 08:42.58 | streuner | elno: file a bug |
| 08:43.14 | ircdevil | liable: ok - i think this is all the info i can gather: http://pastebin.com/546330 |
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| 08:43.18 | streuner | !tell elno about bts |
| 08:43.22 | elno | @_+ |
| 08:43.23 | Ketter | I got pserver (cvs) in the inetd.conf, and I have multiple users all added to a group called repos.. now, at first it looks realy good.. no issues at all. but apparently if there are more then one user connected, they both get authentication errors when they use their cvs client. Is this an cvs thing, or should I approach this from another angle ? |
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| 08:45.15 | streuner | elno: is fglrx-driver even in etch? |
| 08:45.26 | ircdevil | found it |
| 08:45.41 | elno | it is |
| 08:45.45 | Daedalus_ | ircdevil: software to drive teh radios in 802.11g cargs |
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| 08:47.26 | netcrusher88 | is there any way to change the contents of the initrd without rebuilding the kernel? |
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| 08:48.09 | jm_ | netcrusher88: yes |
| 08:48.14 | peterS | netcrusher88: 'dpkg-reconfigure your-kernel-image-package' will rerun the mkinitrd program |
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| 08:49.49 | rAz_ | how to uninstall a lib i tryed to setup ? ( make uninstall doesnt work for the first lib i seted up but worked fine for the 4 others ) |
| 08:50.09 | netcrusher88 | how do i edit what goes into the initrd? |
| 08:50.29 | streuner | netcrusher88: over menuconfig? |
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| 08:50.38 | rAz_ | the return error is : make: *** [uninstall-recursive] Erreur 1 |
| 08:50.39 | peterS | netcrusher88: depends on which mkinitrd implementation you use. there are three in debian, provided by the packages 'initrd-tools', 'yaird' and 'initramfs-tools' |
| 08:50.48 | netcrusher88 | let me look |
| 08:51.00 | streuner | netcrusher88: just don't use initrd |
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| 08:51.06 | jm_ | rAz_: ask the author of the lib |
| 08:51.17 | netcrusher88 | i really don't have the time to recompile a kernel |
| 08:51.20 | Rawplayer | mogguh |
| 08:51.22 | rAz_ | ok thank you |
| 08:51.24 | netcrusher88 | it literally takes a good day |
| 08:51.34 | netcrusher88 | and, not enough disk space |
| 08:51.36 | jm_ | rAz_: alternatively, make -n install and see what it puts where and remove it by hand |
| 08:51.38 | streuner | netcrusher88: so why do you think you need one? |
| 08:51.59 | netcrusher88 | one what? |
| 08:52.02 | netcrusher88 | oh |
| 08:52.06 | streuner | another kernel? |
| 08:52.11 | netcrusher88 | i don't |
| 08:52.16 | netcrusher88 | i need a custom initrd |
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| 08:52.45 | streuner | well, you need a custom kernel then... |
| 08:52.59 | netcrusher88 | okay |
| 08:52.59 | peterS | streuner: not true |
| 08:53.07 | netcrusher88 | i was going with peter there |
| 08:53.11 | peterS | netcrusher88: you can build your own, the allowed formats are well-known. in a 2.6 kernel it should be a gzipped cpio file. in a 2.4 kernel it should be a cramfs image. |
| 08:53.39 | netcrusher88 | i have 2.6.14 |
| 08:53.45 | netcrusher88 | sid |
| 08:54.00 | peterS | netcrusher88: then you can just create a cpio archive of the filesystem you want and gzip it and there you are |
| 08:54.07 | tiptap | hmm is it possible to do a > file from a find, i tried -exec > {} \; however it doesn't like that, and i tried piping to xargs and doing | xargs > $1 but it doesn't like that either |
| 08:54.17 | tiptap | i want to clear the content inside a list of text files |
| 08:54.18 | netcrusher88 | ah |
| 08:54.35 | streuner | netcrusher88: why? |
| 08:54.37 | netcrusher88 | so, the initrd.img in my boot directory is gzipped cpio? |
| 08:54.48 | peterS | netcrusher88: why don't you find out with the 'file -z' command? |
| 08:54.57 | streuner | netcrusher88: why do you want to change the contents of initrd at all? |
| 08:55.11 | netcrusher88 | i need to enable resume support |
| 08:55.16 | netcrusher88 | in initrd |
| 08:55.25 | netcrusher88 | kernel seems to have swsusp support |
| 08:55.47 | peterS | netcrusher88: the format depends on the tool you used to create the initrd - 'initramfs-tools' and 'yaird' create gzipped cpio files; 'initrd-tools' creates a cramfs filesystem image |
| 08:56.18 | netcrusher88 | okay, i think i have yaird... |
| 08:56.19 | netcrusher88 | anyway |
| 08:56.22 | netcrusher88 | it is cpio |
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| 08:56.49 | vimman | can i limit the speed of download .. ? i use scp to download.. i dont want this download to affect other people's browsing.. |
| 08:56.55 | peterS | netcrusher88: then feel free to use cpio to extract it to a temporary directory somewhere, then hack on it until you're happy, then recreate the image file with cpio and gzip |
| 08:57.00 | jm_ | vimman: you could try trickle |
| 08:57.18 | tiptap | hmm any ideas anyone? |
| 08:57.46 | Punkcut | wow aptitudes ability cleanly remove packages... is terrible |
| 08:57.56 | Punkcut | apache2 left so much crap left over its messing with a clean compile i did |
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| 09:00.42 | facade | Hi, I'm new to Linux and using 3.1r0a amd64 with a G70 video card -- could any of you help me install display drivers? I've tried installing the official nvidia drivers, getting the nvidia-glx package, and using the "nv" drivers in XFree86 and Xorg so far, but have run into problems with each method. Right now, I'm using VESA in XFree86 with a default "Desktop Environment" install |
| 09:00.50 | peterS | Punkcut: did you use the 'purge' option? |
| 09:01.30 | Punkcut | i used aptitude remove |
| 09:01.49 | peterS | Punkcut: if you didn't tell it to purge your config files, it actually doesn't purge your config files. shockingly. |
| 09:01.50 | elarifr | hello. i made a debian 3.1 server with softwate raid1. mounting a partition /var/mail. in fact i need this space mounted for /var/spool and remove the /var/mail partition... how must i do ? reinstall debian ? partman? |
| 09:02.12 | Punkcut | peterS - remove, purge, hold, reinstall |
| 09:02.13 | Punkcut | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.15 | peterS | Punkcut: this is a feature, not a bug. you can now install the apache2 packages you had before and it will remember your configuration |
| 09:02.16 | Punkcut | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.27 | Punkcut | way to document things clearly |
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| 09:02.44 | peterS | way to read |
| 09:02.58 | Nigromante | facade, do you have the kernel headers installed? |
| 09:03.02 | Punkcut | from the way thats formatted it looks like its a synonym to me |
| 09:03.20 | rAz_ | is there a chann about e17 ? |
| 09:03.20 | facade | Nigromante: I'm not sure; how do I check? |
| 09:03.28 | peterS | Punkcut: you didn't get past the word 'except'? |
| 09:03.41 | peterS | Punkcut: I mean the word 'but' - sorry |
| 09:03.50 | Nigromante | do you use kde or gnome? |
| 09:04.06 | facade | I think both are installed, but I'm using Gnome right now |
| 09:04.13 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:04.15 | Punkcut | no i read it |
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| 09:04.32 | Nigromante | do you have synaptic installed? |
| 09:04.33 | Punkcut | theres just no description of differience between any of the commands |
| 09:04.41 | facade | Nigromante: yes |
| 09:04.47 | Punkcut | and since remove and purge seem similar to me - thats what i thought |
| 09:04.56 | Nigromante | open it |
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| 09:05.02 | facade | OK, it's open |
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| 09:05.13 | prog | hello to all |
| 09:05.15 | Nigromante | which kernel version are you running |
| 09:05.21 | Punkcut | seems sheer laziness to not define those options |
| 09:05.24 | tdz | liable, desktop ? |
| 09:05.32 | peterS | Punkcut: debian distinguishes the two cases of removing a package and keeping its config files, versus removing a package and also removing configuration. the latter is called a purge. |
| 09:05.44 | Nigromante | uname -a in console |
| 09:05.53 | peterS | Punkcut: ok, I'm done talking to you now. you insist on using terminology like "sheer laziness". go get your help somewhere else, kthx. |
| 09:06.01 | prog | how can i achieve not to load some concrete module after boot ? is there any module-blacklists ? |
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| 09:06.19 | Punkcut | yah a lot of help youve been - sarcasm. wow. |
| 09:06.26 | Punkcut | i cant wait to get off this server... |
| 09:06.32 | facade | Nigromante: 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 09:06.54 | peterS | Punkcut: don't let the door hit you on your way out. we're happy to help people who don't go out of their way to tell us how crappy our system is |
| 09:07.15 | Nigromante | make sure you have the "kernel-headers" package for that kernel installed |
| 09:07.37 | Punkcut | yah that was me earlier - debian couldnt help me - i got a suggestion to switch to another debian distro "sid" |
| 09:07.45 | Punkcut | so now im going out of my way |
| 09:07.54 | tdz | peter can you help me |
| 09:08.17 | facade | Nigromante: It isn't, but I'll install it now |
| 09:08.30 | peterS | tdz: probably not - I just scrolled up 20 minutes' worth and I didn't see your question |
| 09:08.33 | Nigromante | yes, do it |
| 09:09.09 | tdz | peterS: lol |
| 09:09.26 | peterS | Punkcut: whoever suggested debian unstable to someone who doesn't know debian well enough to have learned the difference between 'remove' and 'purge' ... probably shouldn't have done so |
| 09:09.57 | tdz | peter, basically i have 2 hd's, one has windows xp, the other im trying to install debian on |
| 09:10.07 | Punkcut | well unfortunately ive been told theres absolutely no way to reach into the debian unstable branch without completely changing distros - which boggles my mind that you would set that up |
| 09:10.18 | peterS | Punkcut: it's not impossible, it's just unwise |
| 09:10.31 | facade | Nigromante: OK, it's installed |
| 09:10.34 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:10.35 | peterS | Punkcut: a mixed stable/unstable system gives you combinations of stuff that's even less tested, as a whole, than simple unstable |
| 09:10.41 | Punkcut | well mysql 5.1 and apache 2.2 are perfectly stable to me |
| 09:10.48 | tdz | im having trouble with disk2, it fails to boot, liable said to login as root, run tasksel and select desktop |
| 09:10.50 | Shadowcat | chaning distros? |
| 09:10.54 | Shadowcat | changing* |
| 09:10.56 | Nigromante | have you downloaded the drivers file from nvidia site? |
| 09:11.02 | Shadowcat | Punkcut: what are you smoking? |
| 09:11.06 | Punkcut | they work fine |
| 09:11.08 | Shadowcat | you don't have to change distros to get to unstable |
| 09:11.13 | peterS | Punkcut: debian is all about integration testing - what makes us different from random piles of tarballs, like gentoo, is that we make sure things work *together*. such things aren't nearly as well tested when you mix software suites, like stable + unstable |
| 09:11.15 | Punkcut | im just reiterating what im told here |
| 09:11.16 | facade | Nigromante: Yes, I tried that first |
| 09:11.19 | Shadowcat | you DO need to learn how to use apt |
| 09:11.21 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:11.41 | Punkcut | peterS - its funny you say that - it was a gentoo box i set this stack up originally before i got shoved unexpectedly into the debian distro |
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| 09:11.48 | Nigromante | the drivers installer needs the headers in order to compile the nvidia module for your kernel |
| 09:12.01 | peterS | Punkcut: so you're welcome to try and mix stable + unstable, but the result might work *less* well than just using unstable for everything. because of the amount of integration testing. |
| 09:12.26 | Shadowcat | heh sarge libraries working with a sid libc6 |
| 09:12.29 | Nigromante | now, you must shutdown gdm and run the installer file from the console |
| 09:12.33 | Shadowcat | ya... that's just wonderful |
| 09:12.33 | Shadowcat | ¨ |
| 09:12.57 | facade | Nigromante: Yes, I remember doing that last time, but I can't remember how |
| 09:12.58 | peterS | Shadowcat: actually that tends to work ok. but there are lots of corner cases that might not, that the developers don't notice, because developers don't run those mixed systems |
| 09:12.59 | Punkcut | shouldnt aptitude resolve library depencies like that and upgrade themm |
| 09:13.09 | Nigromante | You'd better takes note in paper: cause you will have to close X |
| 09:13.26 | Shadowcat | Punkcut: aptitude is a program, not a final solution |
| 09:13.28 | peterS | Punkcut: it can and does - when the compatibility is something that can be automatically detected. sometimes it can't, and maintainers have to discover the problems on their own and fix them |
| 09:13.40 | Shadowcat | just as emerge won't fix all your dependency problems |
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| 09:13.54 | Punkcut | actually emerge is generally just fine |
| 09:13.58 | Punkcut | if it doesnt solve something |
| 09:14.00 | peterS | Punkcut: that's what maintainers are for - for finding problems that can't be dealt with automatically, among other things. and if maintainers aren't testing stable+unstable mixes, sometimes problems get through that nobody notices |
| 09:14.04 | Punkcut | it either means i need to sync or upgrade portage |
| 09:14.09 | Nigromante | facade, switch to console with ctrl+alt+f1 and login as root |
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| 09:14.19 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:14.26 | facade | Nigromante: I'm chatting on my notebook, so I won't have to close our conversation |
| 09:14.27 | Punkcut | well then its pretty pointless for me to even try to install this stack on here. |
| 09:14.28 | gypsymauro | there is a way to show a welcome message when comeone connects via ssh? |
| 09:14.30 | Shadowcat | Punkcut: ok you try running several different versions of libraries in gentoo and see how long it takes for emerge to screw something up |
| 09:14.32 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:14.40 | Punkcut | Shadowcat : revdep-rebuild |
| 09:14.42 | Punkcut | and im done |
| 09:14.44 | peterS | Punkcut: exactly - same deal. "means I need to sync" - basically you're running the gentoo equivalent of a pure-unstable system, as opposed to mixed stable + unstable. |
| 09:14.57 | Punkcut | it doesnt work like that |
| 09:15.04 | Shadowcat | peterS: he's probably working off development packages in the gentoo tree |
| 09:15.16 | facade | Nigromante: Just a minute, I reinstalled Debian so I have to get the official drivers again |
| 09:15.25 | elarifr | i made a debian 3.1 server with softwate raid1. mounting a md partition /var/mail. in fact i need this space mounted for /var/spool and remove the /var/mail partition... how must i do ? reinstall debian ? partman? |
| 09:15.27 | Nigromante | ok. |
| 09:15.29 | Shadowcat | Punkcut: no I know how the gentoo tree works, it's not as clear cut as debian's testing/unstable/stable |
| 09:15.38 | Shadowcat | Punkcut: but it has similar designations for packages |
| 09:15.39 | Punkcut | exactly |
| 09:15.50 | Punkcut | you can use both seamlessly and portage doesnt care |
| 09:15.55 | k31th | Guys is there any way to safe gaurd if i mes up my firewall config, i guess i could set ipchains not to activate on boot. then if i screw it up i can reboot it (server is 100 + miles away) |
| 09:15.57 | Punkcut | but either way |
| 09:15.59 | Shadowcat | Punkcut: who says you can't do it with apt? |
| 09:16.02 | tdz | debating or helping night? |
| 09:16.15 | k31th | ip tables i ment |
| 09:16.20 | peterS | Punkcut: point is, if people don't test combinations of software, sometimes things break. the tools can't get around that reality, it takes human testing. gentoo can't solve that problem, debian can't solve that problem, except by people actually doing the work |
| 09:16.44 | Shadowcat | peterS: Punkcut doesn't know apt |
| 09:16.48 | Shadowcat | that's what I think his problem is |
| 09:16.55 | facade | Nigromante: OK, I'm in text-mode and root |
| 09:16.57 | Shadowcat | he wants to run a mix of things from stable/testing/unstable |
| 09:17.08 | Shadowcat | and it requires some knowledge with apt pinning to do that |
| 09:17.13 | Nigromante | go to dir where you downloaded the drivers installer |
| 09:17.15 | Shadowcat | actually quite extensive knowledge |
| 09:17.28 | Shadowcat | with = of |
| 09:17.29 | peterS | Punkcut: you might assume that dependency relationships always express everything they should in order for a system not to break when you upgrade something. sometimes they do. sometimes relationships are missed. and they're particularly missed for cases the maintainers don't test, like running a few unstable packages on a stable system. |
| 09:17.31 | Nigromante | and run it with ./<installer name> -e |
| 09:17.37 | dondelelcaro | Shadowcat: it requires far more than just that; you have to understand exactly why we have the dependencies we do. |
| 09:17.38 | Nigromante | (expert mode) |
| 09:17.44 | Nigromante | oops |
| 09:17.47 | Nigromante | first |
| 09:17.55 | Nigromante | you need to run |
| 09:18.08 | Nigromante | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 09:18.39 | priyank | hey, anyone here uses Tango icon theme ? |
| 09:18.50 | facade | Nigromante: OK, it stopped |
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| 09:19.09 | Nigromante | now run the installer with -e option (expert mode) |
| 09:20.03 | Nigromante | tell me the screens you are shown |
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| 09:20.52 | facade | I think I got the syntax wrong |
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| 09:21.33 | facade | On nvidia's site, it says to run "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8178-pkg2.run" -- http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-8178.html |
| 09:21.43 | liable | tdz: yep |
| 09:22.07 | Nigromante | go to dir where you installed that file and run: |
| 09:22.13 | Nigromante | ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8178-pkg2.run -e |
| 09:22.20 | tdz | liable tasksel, desktop? |
| 09:22.47 | facade | Yeah, that's the command I used, but it said, "Permission denied" |
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| 09:23.03 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 09:23.04 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 09:23.11 | Nigromante | did you login as root? |
| 09:23.16 | facade | Yeah, I used "su" |
| 09:23.23 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:23.28 | streuner | facade: read what the bot tell you |
| 09:23.33 | Nigromante | run the following: |
| 09:23.43 | liable | tdz: type tasksel |
| 09:23.46 | Nigromante | chmod a+rx NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8178-pkg2.run |
| 09:23.52 | streuner | no |
| 09:23.59 | liable | tdz: at the console after you have logged in as root |
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| 09:24.11 | tdz | i did =/ |
| 09:24.16 | Nigromante | streuner, I did it, so yes :-) |
| 09:24.25 | liable | tdz: and you picked desktop? |
| 09:24.32 | tdz | nothing happened |
| 09:24.41 | liable | tdz: how did you pick it? |
| 09:24.52 | Nigromante | facade, have you done? |
| 09:24.55 | tdz | i didnt pick desktop |
| 09:25.02 | streuner | Nigromante: if you want get *real* headaches just use nividia's installer then... |
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| 09:25.04 | liable | tdz: well.. |
| 09:25.05 | tdz | after i typed tasksel nothing happened |
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| 09:25.19 | facade | Nope, I asking dpkg for nvidia info |
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| 09:25.34 | liable | tdz: erm, what installer/distro you got? |
| 09:25.44 | Nigromante | streuner, I know there are debian packages. But I prefer to use last version, |
| 09:25.46 | tdz | i386? |
| 09:26.00 | liable | tdz: sarge? etch? ubuntu? |
| 09:26.02 | tdz | sarge |
| 09:26.19 | streuner | Nigromante: why? |
| 09:26.40 | facade | It linked me to this page -- http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html which I've used before when I was trying to get nvidia-glx |
| 09:26.42 | liable | tdz: you dont get the screen like when you installed asking what you want to install? |
| 09:26.46 | Nigromante | first of all, there were no packages for my kernel |
| 09:26.57 | tdz | nope, it fails to boot disk 2 |
| 09:27.05 | tdz | disk 3 will work though |
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| 09:27.29 | liable | tdz: it doesnt "boot" disk 2, it reads it. |
| 09:27.40 | streuner | nvidia-installersmite Nigromante |
| 09:27.43 | tdz | sorry it just says, Boot failed. |
| 09:27.44 | liable | tdz: and everything you need is on disk 1 |
| 09:27.45 | streuner | !nvidia-installersmite Nigromante |
| 09:27.55 | Nigromante | !nvidia-installersmit |
| 09:27.59 | tdz | yeah i heard that, atleast i can "login" |
| 09:28.06 | Nigromante | !nvidia-installersmite |
| 09:28.16 | Nigromante | ? |
| 09:28.25 | tdz | can i get to the cd then, and install the packages |
| 09:28.30 | Nigromante | nothing happens |
| 09:28.43 | streuner | hm, the cmd has a typo :-) |
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| 09:28.47 | liable | tdz: what exactly happens when you type tasksel as root? |
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| 09:29.44 | tdz | nothing happens, so i typed tasksel desktop and it came up with a list of cmds i can use with tasksel |
| 09:29.50 | streuner | dpkg, cmd: nvidia-installersmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> rips out chunks of $1, replaces them with cheese, and wonders why things don't go smoothly at $1's next visit to the doctor |
| 09:29.51 | dpkg | ...but cmd: is already something else... |
| 09:29.52 | tdz | no desktop |
| 09:30.18 | tdz | like install cmd, and such |
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| 09:32.17 | Nigromante | facade, still there? |
| 09:32.19 | priyank | hey, anyone installed tango-icon-theme ? |
| 09:32.25 | facade | Nigromante: yes :) |
| 09:32.28 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:32.38 | facade | I think I'm going to try the instructions on that page again |
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| 09:32.52 | Nigromante | I compiled the last nvidia drivers and uninstalled it with no problems |
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| 09:33.11 | Nigromante | So you can try |
| 09:33.37 | wizzo | How can I get i8kutils to work? i8kmon keeps telling me /proc/i8k doesn't exist, and the i8k module isn't loading from /etc/modules |
| 09:33.43 | Nigromante | do you have stable or testing? |
| 09:33.59 | liable | tdz: ok, thats a bit strange for the sarge installer.. but anyway, try 'apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system-core' |
| 09:34.17 | liable | tdz: without the ' ' |
| 09:34.30 | tdz | ok, ill give it a shot :) |
| 09:34.45 | wizzo | Nigromante: was that directed at me? |
| 09:34.52 | Nigromante | no |
| 09:35.00 | wizzo | K |
| 09:35.16 | facade | Nigromante: Stable |
| 09:36.02 | Nigromante | well, anyway. You have anything you need to run the installer with no problems, if you want to follow that approach |
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| 09:36.35 | Nigromante | You may also check if you have a precompiled package in debian repository with the nvidia drivers for your kernel version |
| 09:36.38 | prog | could anybody tell me how can i mount initrd in debian ? mounting via loopback is impossible |
| 09:37.06 | facade | Nigromante: OK, thanks -- I'll try nvidia-glx again and go back to the official drivers if it doesn't work |
| 09:37.15 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 09:37.25 | facade | Oh, how do I check? |
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| 09:37.33 | Nigromante | synaptic again :-) |
| 09:37.52 | priyank | hey, my scroll wheel doenst seem to work, what changes do i need to make in xorg.conf ? |
| 09:38.10 | facade | I think there might be a problem with Debian's official packages |
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| 09:38.39 | atp | hey, does anyone know how to do a screen capture in mplayer? |
| 09:39.03 | facade | "packages.debian.org is down at the moment due to performance issues." |
| 09:39.16 | jm_ | atp: yes, many people do |
| 09:39.20 | liable | facade: you can still use the repos |
| 09:39.23 | Nigromante | yes, try pdo |
| 09:39.31 | jm_ | then there's pdo.debian.net |
| 09:39.50 | atp | jm_: awesome, how does one do that? |
| 09:40.01 | Nigromante | but you can search the available packages with synaptic |
| 09:40.01 | atp | jm_: looking at the manpage i don't see a key or anything like that |
| 09:40.12 | liable | atp: google? |
| 09:40.13 | facade | OK, thanks :) |
| 09:40.17 | atp | jm_: and searching for 'capture' only reveals capture cards |
| 09:40.18 | Nigromante | it does not use packages.debian.org |
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| 09:40.54 | Draco | Hi |
| 09:41.00 | liable | hola |
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| 09:41.37 | Draco | Has anyone here had any experience installing CPanel on a debian system? I've read there are some problems as it's still considered beta, but can't find any specific issues people are facing |
| 09:41.41 | facade | What are the urls for those repositories? |
| 09:42.04 | liable | facade: you dont have debian do you? |
| 09:42.10 | facade | Yes, I do |
| 09:42.17 | facade | I'm just very new to Linux |
| 09:42.31 | liable | facade: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:42.34 | Nigromante | have you run the synaptic program ?? |
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| 09:43.17 | Nigromante | click the "search" button there, and type "nvidia" |
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| 09:43.33 | facade | Nigromante: Yes, but the only repository listed is "ftp://debian.csail.mit.deu/debian-amd64/debian/" |
| 09:43.45 | Nigromante | ok forget it |
| 09:44.04 | Nigromante | do you have a list of packages in synaptic anyway ? |
| 09:44.10 | facade | Yes |
| 09:44.17 | Nigromante | forget about repositories right now |
| 09:44.19 | netcrusher88 | another initrd question: when i created my own cpio initrd, changing literally 2 lines in the /init in the initrd image extraced via cpio, the kernel couldn't mount it |
| 09:44.22 | netcrusher88 | why? |
| 09:44.33 | Nigromante | just search "nvidia" |
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| 09:44.43 | Nigromante | in the search option |
| 09:44.48 | facade | Didn't find anything |
| 09:44.50 | brlancer | sarge kernel 2.6.8-2: during 'apt-get install acpi acpid wmacpi', it failed with this error "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 647: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!" |
| 09:44.58 | Nigromante | mm |
| 09:45.04 | Nigromante | ok |
| 09:45.09 | brlancer | I'm finding lots of references to this, but nada that provides a resolution |
| 09:45.12 | azeem | brlancer: which arch? |
| 09:45.20 | liable | !nvidia one liner |
| 09:45.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:45.25 | brlancer | azeem: i686 |
| 09:45.26 | liable | facade: ^^ |
| 09:45.36 | facade | That's why I suspect I might have to enter some new repositories |
| 09:45.46 | liable | facade: you need contrib and non-free.. |
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| 09:45.52 | brlancer | Linux xxxx 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:45.56 | Nigromante | yes... facade, then I suggest you use the nvidia driver file after all |
| 09:46.03 | liable | Nigromante: no |
| 09:46.19 | Nigromante | why not? |
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| 09:46.29 | netcrusher88 | why can't kernel read my custom cpio initrd? |
| 09:46.38 | facade | OK, I'm looking at dpkg's message and getting very confused |
| 09:46.41 | Laty | Fuck you |
| 09:46.48 | netcrusher88 | o_O |
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| 09:46.55 | Nigromante | I'm playing my Enemy-Territory with it liable |
| 09:47.00 | Nigromante | :-) |
| 09:47.01 | quad3datwork2 | Let me see your grillz |
| 09:47.23 | facade | Do you have the urls for contrib and non-free, liable? |
| 09:47.29 | Nigromante | facade, I suppose, that involves a list of steps |
| 09:47.42 | liable | facade: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'contrib non-free' to the end of your source line, then update then do as dpkg says |
| 09:47.55 | Nigromante | URI: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ |
| 09:48.05 | Nigromante | distribution: testing |
| 09:48.09 | azeem | Nigromante: ? |
| 09:48.14 | Nigromante | distribution: stable |
| 09:48.17 | Nigromante | (sorry) |
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| 09:48.28 | Nigromante | sections: main contrib non-free |
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| 09:48.47 | azeem | Nigromante: facade apparently runs amd64, so there's no packages on ftp.foo.debian.org |
| 09:48.54 | liable | facade: you can literally cut and paste the relevant bit from what dpkg said once you have your sources list updated. |
| 09:49.01 | Nigromante | mmm |
| 09:49.09 | Nigromante | only for i386? |
| 09:49.21 | azeem | Nigromante: pardon? |
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| 09:49.49 | Nigromante | you said ftp.foo.debian.org are splitted arch mirrors? |
| 09:50.03 | azeem | no, I said amd64 is not on ftp.debian.org |
| 09:50.34 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.36 | azeem | blah |
| 09:51.05 | liable | facade: try #debian-amd64 |
| 09:51.12 | facade | OK, I've opened sources.list |
| 09:52.00 | facade | OK, I'll ask for help in that channel in a few minutes |
| 09:52.29 | facade | What exactly do I add to sources.list and where? |
| 09:52.34 | liable | facade: i failed to notice you were running the 64 bit version, so that may not work anyway. |
| 09:52.38 | facade | OK |
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| 09:53.41 | HelmutG | Can someone tell me how to minimize the memory consumption of rsync? It frequently dies by the OOM killer. |
| 09:54.01 | Nigromante | facade, try: |
| 09:54.12 | Nigromante | URI: http://amd64.debian.net |
| 09:54.19 | Nigromante | (In synaptic) |
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| 09:54.38 | Nigromante | (add new repository, it updates your sources.list) |
| 09:54.48 | facade | OK, one minute |
| 09:54.58 | Nigromante | close that file first |
| 09:55.17 | sep | are there a default shortcut in gnome that can swap between workspaces. or how can i configure one |
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| 09:55.27 | markos_64 | okay, i've just installed debian, and it works pretty nice... with two small issues: |
| 09:55.38 | Nigromante | (open synaptic --> repositories --> add new one) |
| 09:55.45 | markos_64 | 1. pl_PL.UTF8 locale doesn't work -- how is it named in debian, or how do i generate it? |
| 09:56.08 | liable | !locales |
| 09:56.08 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 09:56.09 | markos_64 | 2. xterm seems to generate ^? on backspace instead of ^H, as wanted by screen |
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| 09:56.37 | facade | Nigromante: Done, and I searched for "nvidia" but didn't find anything there |
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| 09:57.26 | Nigromante | have you added the new repository ? |
| 09:57.29 | facade | Yes |
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| 09:57.43 | Nigromante | how many sections in the repository do you have? |
| 09:57.51 | Eclipser | facade, did you apt-get update? |
| 09:58.01 | Nigromante | ^^ yes |
| 09:58.05 | facade | Not yet, I'll do that now |
| 09:58.09 | Eclipser | ... |
| 09:58.20 | Nigromante | update option in synaptic |
| 09:58.24 | Nigromante | it's the same |
| 09:58.29 | facade | oh, I did that |
| 09:58.35 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 09:59.02 | Nigromante | do you have main contrib non-free sections in your new repository ? |
| 09:59.33 | Sirin | Anybody know when Debian will support EFI? |
| 09:59.51 | facade | Nigromante: no |
| 09:59.53 | deadcat | whats EFI? |
| 10:00.09 | Nigromante | add them |
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| 10:00.26 | Nigromante | and aftar that "update" again |
| 10:00.26 | Draco | has anyone had any experience installing cpanel on debian? |
| 10:00.31 | Danamania | I have a perhaps simple problem :). I have been using a realtek 10/100 ethernet card as the only network interface in a sarge machine, it was eth0. Today I added a Tulip 10mbit card, which unfortunately has become eth0, and bumped the Realtek interface to now be eth1. The Realtek card is driven by an 8139too module, but the Tulip one appears to be builtin so I fear it may always be eth0. Is there a simple way to flip them around so the |
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| 10:00.32 | Nigromante | (after) |
| 10:00.33 | deadcat | no |
| 10:00.51 | tarzeau | Sirin: efi looked horrible when i saw it |
| 10:00.55 | twisted` | erh, I did an rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* and now apt-get update is bitchin bout missin stuff... how can I repair this? |
| 10:01.09 | Eclipser | Danamania, there was some program to do it... now to remember the name... humm |
| 10:01.25 | Sirin | Flow chart depicting the workings of the Extensible Firmware Interface |
| 10:01.25 | Sirin | Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) is the name for a new system developed by Intel that is designed to replace the aging BIOS system used by personal computers. |
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| 10:01.45 | Sirin | for those that don't know |
| 10:01.48 | Danamania | Eclipser: "ifrename" ? |
| 10:02.06 | liable | Danamania: ifrename |
| 10:02.18 | liable | heh |
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| 10:02.21 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:02.22 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:02.23 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 10:02.44 | Danamania | =). I was told a little bit ago that it's not recommended for this exact situation, but I am exploring what it can do |
| 10:03.07 | liable | Danamania: should be perfect, names a iface by mac address |
| 10:03.16 | ircdevil | what kernel section holds -> CONFIG_CRC_CCITT ? |
| 10:03.19 | facade | Nigromante: I'm still confused about how to add main contrib and non-free to this repository |
| 10:03.25 | Eclipser | Danamania, other solution would be to have both drivers to be modules and control which module gets loaded first |
| 10:03.26 | sigma | Danamania: tried to exchange the slot of both NICs? |
| 10:03.30 | Danamania | I shall try it - if it breaks.. I'll live with it. |
| 10:03.31 | liable | ircdevil: get wireless sorted? |
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| 10:03.45 | tiny | twisted`: I found this with google: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/05/msg04603.html |
| 10:03.58 | darkpadden | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.59 | oskie | is anyone familiar with a way to convert texinfo to manual page? |
| 10:04.05 | darkpadden | oops lol |
| 10:04.22 | Danamania | Eclipser: aye - I'd thought of that and it'd probably work, but I did want to stay with standard debian kernels - |
| 10:04.25 | sigma | Danamania: and I do not recommend to use frename to rename the nics in eth<int>, it only causes confision |
| 10:04.33 | ircdevil | liable: no man. its overly complicated. the prism54 driver cannot be used for this card. i am recompiling kernel so i can compile a new driver that works with a certain firmware thing. |
| 10:04.43 | twisted` | tiny: yeah, tried to make a dir :) |
| 10:04.45 | twisted` | tiny: thanks |
| 10:04.46 | Danamania | sigma: it's a PPC machine with two different slot types, so there's no hardware reorganising I can do |
| 10:04.52 | Nigromante | facade, get synaptic open |
| 10:04.58 | liable | ircdevil: bugger |
| 10:05.04 | facade | It's open |
| 10:05.32 | Nigromante | go to repositories option in menu bar, |
| 10:05.37 | ircdevil | liable: well - docs are good. hopes are high. |
| 10:05.45 | facade | OK, that's open |
| 10:05.48 | liable | sigma: how does it cause confusion? |
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| 10:06.11 | Nigromante | select the line with the new repository you added |
| 10:06.31 | facade | done |
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| 10:06.39 | Danamania | It's also not a big problem, I was just curious if there was some simple way to force a certain order. A two minute edit of /etc/network/interfaces fixes everything - but curiosity has the better of me :). |
| 10:06.41 | Nigromante | which is the URI field ? |
| 10:06.47 | Nigromante | paste |
| 10:07.01 | sigma | liable: cause it won't be obviously visible if the name "eth0" belongs to hwardware eth0 or eth1 |
| 10:07.04 | facade | "http://amd64.debian.net/debian/" |
| 10:07.14 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 10:07.25 | Nigromante | distribution field? |
| 10:07.36 | facade | Distrobution: stable Section(s): main |
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| 10:07.48 | facade | distribution |
| 10:08.03 | Nigromante | ok, add "contrib non-free" to Section(s), after "main" |
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| 10:08.15 | Danamania | it appears ifrename has an option to allow interface name swapping between two or more - but only works with 2.6 |
| 10:08.17 | mb- | can some one still help me? when i try to send a email to any remote host using postfix+sasl+mysql postfix says always relay access denied - but from localhost i still can send mails my main.cf: http://nopaste.php-q.net/190624 - my sasl smtpd.conf http://nopaste.php-q.net/190625 |
| 10:08.23 | Danamania | that makes it easy to decide not to use it :) |
| 10:08.31 | jm_ | atp: still here? |
| 10:08.45 | sigma | Danamania: ifrename also works fine with 2.4 kernel IIRC |
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| 10:09.16 | sigma | Danamania: just bind the MAC with name |
| 10:09.55 | facade | Nigromante: Added, and it seemed to reload fine |
| 10:09.59 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:10.07 | Nigromante | now search "nvidia" |
| 10:10.23 | facade | Hey, it worked :) |
| 10:10.33 | Nigromante | did you find anything? |
| 10:10.44 | facade | Yeah, nvidia-glx |
| 10:10.47 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 10:11.32 | Nigromante | you'll need the following packages to be installed: |
| 10:11.38 | Nigromante | nvidia-glx |
| 10:11.59 | Nigromante | nvidia-kernel-<your kernel version> |
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| 10:12.15 | Nigromante | nvidia-kernel-common |
| 10:12.35 | Nigromante | nvidia-settings |
| 10:12.45 | Nigromante | nvidia-xconfig |
| 10:12.50 | Nigromante | I think that's all |
| 10:13.17 | Nigromante | have you got an nvidia-kernel- for your kernel ?? |
| 10:13.38 | facade | OK, I did something stupid -- while we were talking, I switched from XFree86 to Xorg, and it looks like nvidia-glx requires XFree :P |
| 10:13.53 | facade | So I'll switch back, and then get those packages |
| 10:14.00 | Nigromante | how did you switched? |
| 10:14.38 | facade | I found Xorg packages at http://backports.org/ |
| 10:14.55 | Nigromante | ... remove them |
| 10:15.07 | Nigromante | Xorg not available yet for stable, I think |
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| 10:15.51 | quik_ | hey folks |
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| 10:16.44 | quik_ | my kde is set to highest resolution 800*600, how can I change that? |
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| 10:17.25 | fireba11 | Nigromante: i don't think Xorg will be in stable untill etch is declared stable |
| 10:17.50 | Knight_Lord | How can i check if a tiff files is 32bit grayscale or not? |
| 10:17.55 | Nigromante | yep |
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| 10:18.59 | facade | Now I'm having some trouble switching back to XFree |
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| 10:19.46 | yosef | I'm having a problem with anjuta... It crashes on startup. This is a new box I set up with Debian/Testing... Anyone know this one? |
| 10:19.48 | Nigromante | try in console: apt-get install xserver-common |
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| 10:20.31 | facade | Nigromante: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 56 not upgraded" |
| 10:20.49 | Nigromante | you have it |
| 10:20.53 | Draco | has anyone had any experience installing cpanel on debian? |
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| 10:20.54 | liable | yosef: bts |
| 10:21.00 | Nigromante | did you remove the backports packages? |
| 10:21.05 | liable | yosef: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:21.14 | Nigromante | and remove all the configuration? |
| 10:21.17 | quik_ | Nigromante: how can I reconfigure kde? |
| 10:21.34 | Nigromante | dpkg-reconfigure kde ? |
| 10:21.53 | Knight_Lord | I'm opening a 32bit tiff image with imagemagick and imagemagick only reports 24 bits. Is there any way to get the 32 bits? |
| 10:22.25 | ircdevil | is this a kernel module missing: FATAL: Module crc_ccitt not found. ? |
| 10:22.45 | yosef | liable: thnx |
| 10:23.28 | ircdevil | Knight_Lord: the remaining 16 bit could be alpha channel stuff. so it could be ok. |
| 10:23.42 | ircdevil | err 8 bit |
| 10:23.47 | ircdevil | :o) |
| 10:24.41 | quik_ | how do you select an option using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and the keyboard? I thought it was spacebar? |
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| 10:24.58 | liable | quik_: should be.. |
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| 10:25.49 | markos_64 | hm... my X seems to alias right Alt to the left one |
| 10:26.07 | markos_64 | i'm using pl keyboard layout, so it's kinda bad |
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| 10:27.09 | quik_ | space bar doesn't work |
| 10:27.15 | quik_ | enter seems to just go to the next page |
| 10:27.35 | jm_ | use cursors and enter |
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| 10:28.44 | facade | Nigromante: I think I switched back, but how do I check if I'm using XFree86 or Xorg? |
| 10:28.54 | Nigromante | mm |
| 10:28.59 | jm_ | actually if it's radio buttons then space should work |
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| 10:29.38 | tdz | liable, it didnt work |
| 10:29.51 | facade | I'll try to get those nvidia-glx packages |
| 10:30.02 | Nigromante | yes |
| 10:30.31 | Nigromante | and the nvidia-kernel- package |
| 10:30.36 | Nigromante | for your kernel |
| 10:30.40 | Nigromante | that's a must |
| 10:31.14 | priyank | hey, im compiling gtk-engine-cvs, but it gives an error saying "gtk2.8" not installed.. |
| 10:31.20 | priyank | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.23 | facade | There are "nvidia-kernel-common" and "nvidia-kernel-source" |
| 10:31.24 | priyank | what should i do ? |
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| 10:31.41 | jm_ | you should install what's missing |
| 10:31.42 | bubshait | I have a question, if there is an upstream patch, how do I get it applied to my debian |
| 10:32.06 | jm_ | bubshait: get source package, unpack, apply the patch, build the deb, install it |
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| 10:32.45 | Nigromante | and nvidia-kernel-"something" ? |
| 10:32.57 | facade | nope |
| 10:32.59 | bubshait | jm_, but I am having difficulty finding the package associated with the patch |
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| 10:33.19 | jm_ | bubshait: you don't know what the patch is for? |
| 10:33.28 | Nigromante | pfffff you need to compile the kernel module yourself, using nvidia-kernel-source |
| 10:33.38 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:33.42 | Nigromante | install them |
| 10:33.45 | facade | yeah |
| 10:33.52 | bubshait | well, it fixes a kded crash, it is related kdnssd-avahi |
| 10:34.02 | facade | They're installed |
| 10:34.03 | bubshait | so not sure |
| 10:34.13 | facade | I've never manually compiled something before |
| 10:34.20 | jm_ | try #debian-kde |
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| 10:34.44 | Nigromante | you install the packages first, all those you listed |
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| 10:34.53 | facade | Yeah, I have them |
| 10:34.56 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:34.58 | bubshait | jm_, thanks, I never knew that channel existed |
| 10:35.06 | Nigromante | open console, login as root |
| 10:35.18 | facade | OK |
| 10:35.24 | Nigromante | cd /usr/src |
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| 10:35.37 | Nigromante | ls |
| 10:36.10 | Nigromante | do you have a nvidia-kernel-source tar gz ? |
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| 10:36.15 | facade | yes |
| 10:36.16 | Nigromante | ok |
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| 10:36.24 | Nigromante | mmm |
| 10:36.32 | Nigromante | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 10:36.36 | Novasand | Hi everyone. I am planning to install Debian. I have 512 RAM, 120 GB HD. I need advice regarding partitioning please. :) |
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| 10:36.58 | facade | Nigromante: done |
| 10:37.06 | Nigromante | (to compile module from source= |
| 10:37.07 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:37.13 | Nigromante | now: |
| 10:37.14 | fireba11 | Novasand: what do you want to do with that box ? |
| 10:37.26 | Nigromante | m-a build nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 10:38.07 | facade | "Build of the package nvidia-kernel=source failed! How do you wish to proceed?" |
| 10:38.14 | Nigromante | ... |
| 10:38.21 | facade | View? |
| 10:38.26 | Nigromante | which error message ? |
| 10:38.35 | siimo | hi is anyone using xfce in sid here? why is there no xfce4-taskbar-plugin |
| 10:38.36 | Nigromante | view the log, yes |
| 10:38.44 | facade | I didn't get an error message |
| 10:38.52 | Novasand | fireba11: Tnx. Initially, I am going to sue to to get to know Debian. I am a php programmer and will sue it as my dev machine at first. Later it will be truend into a http server. |
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| 10:39.09 | Nigromante | "View " you meant an option from the program? |
| 10:39.28 | Novasand | lot of typos :( |
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| 10:39.38 | facade | Nigromante: yes |
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| 10:39.52 | Nigromante | ok select it to view the output |
| 10:39.54 | CountZ | rejoicing. |
| 10:39.59 | CountZ | blech |
| 10:40.12 | Nigromante | can you scroll or something to view the last line? |
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| 10:40.21 | facade | "The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver, please reconfigure your kernel and *disable* rivafb support, then try installing the NVIDIA kernel module again." |
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| 10:40.23 | fireba11 | Novasand: if you got no experience you could either just make 2 paritions .. one swap (500MB-1GB) and the rest / or you can make a third parition for your www root ... |
| 10:40.38 | Nigromante | ah yes |
| 10:40.41 | liable | tdz: what happened? |
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| 10:41.07 | Nigromante | exit the program |
| 10:41.12 | Nigromante | to get to console |
| 10:41.21 | tdz | Package gdm not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 10:41.25 | freespace | where can i say, find the source code for the halt binary? |
| 10:41.37 | Novasand | fireba11: Tnx. Should I make a separate /root for the kernel? |
| 10:41.46 | facade | Nigromante: ready |
| 10:41.47 | jm_ | freespace: man apt-get |
| 10:41.50 | Nigromante | are you in console command line again? ok |
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| 10:41.55 | Nigromante | run: |
| 10:41.57 | liable | tdz: give me the url where you downloaded the debian cd's |
| 10:41.59 | fireba11 | Novasand: you mean /boot .. you can but don't need to |
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| 10:42.20 | Nigromante | modprobe -r rivafb |
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| 10:42.39 | fireba11 | Novasand: if you do 100 MB for /boot are already way more than enough |
| 10:42.43 | facade | Nigromante: OK, it didn't return anything |
| 10:42.46 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:42.52 | tdz | Official CD images of the "stable" releases |
| 10:42.54 | freespace | jm_: how would that help me exactly? |
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| 10:43.05 | Nigromante | run: lsmod | grep rivafb |
| 10:43.10 | jm_ | freespace: it will teach you how to download source packages ... |
| 10:43.14 | tdz | http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/ |
| 10:43.16 | liable | tdz: if you got that message, then you have etch or some other debian derivitive.. |
| 10:43.17 | freespace | yes, but which package? |
| 10:43.23 | freespace | binutils? |
| 10:43.31 | facade | Nigromante: Done, still not message |
| 10:43.37 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:43.38 | liable | tdz: exact url |
| 10:43.54 | jm_ | so your question is really "how to find out in which package a file is?"? read the FAQ, /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:44.15 | tdz | sorry it was http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:44.36 | freespace | not really, my question is how to find the halt source, your solutions requires an additional query |
| 10:44.42 | Nigromante | now reboot |
| 10:45.10 | Nigromante | (we have removed the rivafb module) |
| 10:45.17 | liable | !d-i tdz |
| 10:45.18 | dpkg | tdz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 10:45.43 | liable | tdz: go there ^^ get the business card iso and install from that. |
| 10:45.50 | Novasand | fireba11: Tnx for the help. :) |
| 10:46.12 | liable | tdz: its less than 100 MB |
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| 10:46.23 | facade | Nigromante: OK, finished rebooting |
| 10:46.25 | tdz | kk |
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| 10:47.24 | tdz | you mean netinstall? |
| 10:47.31 | liable | tdz: you had no problems with your net card? |
| 10:47.45 | liable | tdz: either, doesnt matter |
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| 10:48.30 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:48.35 | Nigromante | go to console again |
| 10:48.37 | Nigromante | as root |
| 10:48.39 | liable | tdz: is that a free mirror from your isp? |
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| 10:48.52 | facade | Nigromante: ready |
| 10:48.57 | Nigromante | cd /usr/src |
| 10:49.00 | fireba11 | Novasand: you're welcome |
| 10:49.00 | tdz | not my isp but free |
| 10:49.09 | tdz | do i get buisnesscard ? |
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| 10:49.18 | Nigromante | do you have a "modules" directory (list with ls) |
| 10:49.25 | Plushy | I'm trying to install nvidia drivers and I get missing kernel-source files error, what to do? |
| 10:49.54 | fireba11 | Plushy: you trying to install the nVidia nVidia drivers ? |
| 10:50.00 | facade | Nigromante: yes |
| 10:50.01 | liable | tdz: well, netinstall would be better if you have plenty of bandwidth |
| 10:50.04 | Nigromante | if you have, remove it with "rm -rf modules" |
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| 10:50.15 | tdz | used it all up getting the cd's :p |
| 10:50.42 | liable | tdz: you are in windows at the moment? |
| 10:50.43 | Nigromante | done ? |
| 10:50.44 | jm_ | fireba11: are there non-nvidia nvidia drivers too? :) |
| 10:50.48 | resiak | !nv |
| 10:50.49 | tdz | yeah. |
| 10:50.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 10:51.01 | fireba11 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:51.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 10:51.22 | fireba11 | jm_ there are drivers vrom nvidia website ... |
| 10:51.27 | fireba11 | from .. damng |
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| 10:52.10 | resiak | !nvidia |
| 10:52.11 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 10:53.21 | liable | tdz: ok, reboot into debian, login and run 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' and write down what you see. (i am fairly sure you have installed etch, which is bad for a complete novice) |
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| 10:53.35 | facade_ | Nigromante: Sorry, notebook froze |
| 10:53.58 | facade_ | The last thing I did was run "rm -rf modules" |
| 10:54.02 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:54.12 | liable | wtf? |
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| 10:54.19 | Nigromante | have you removed it? |
| 10:54.23 | facade_ | yes |
| 10:54.25 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:54.30 | tdz | k, will do that now |
| 10:54.45 | Nigromante | try again m-a build nvidia-kernel-source |
| 10:55.05 | facade_ | Failed again |
| 10:55.09 | Nigromante | quit |
| 10:55.26 | facade_ | rivafb conflict |
| 10:55.30 | Nigromante | run lsmod | grep rivafb |
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| 10:56.08 | facade_ | "command not found" |
| 10:56.16 | Nigromante | are you root? |
| 10:56.28 | facade_ | yes |
| 10:56.35 | Nigromante | lsmod |
| 10:56.52 | Nigromante | got output? |
| 10:56.54 | facade_ | yeah |
| 10:57.04 | Nigromante | lsmod | grep rivafb |
| 10:57.10 | Eclipser | lsmod doesn't need root |
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| 10:57.24 | liable | tdz: i'm gonna leave in a sec, if you see etch or testing in that file (for the ftp/http lines) then you need to get an iso from the debian repos and re-install. |
| 10:57.33 | Nigromante | got output now? |
| 10:57.57 | facade_ | Nigromante: ran "lsmod | grep rivafb", but didn't get a message |
| 10:58.02 | Nigromante | ok |
| 10:58.28 | Nigromante | so you have the rivafb support inside the kernel, I think |
| 10:58.45 | Plushy | so where can I get that nvidia driver? |
| 10:58.56 | Nigromante | you will have to build a custom kernel with no rivafb support..... :-( |
| 10:59.08 | facade_ | Is that bad? :( |
| 10:59.19 | facade_ | What is rivafb support? |
| 10:59.20 | Nigromante | long, if you didnt before |
| 10:59.43 | Nigromante | a feature enabled in your current kernel (for the case you had a riva card) |
| 11:00.13 | Nigromante | Ok: |
| 11:00.28 | Nigromante | Take note of we have done (m-a build ..... ) |
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| 11:00.59 | Nigromante | And I suggest you reading a tutorial about compiling a kernel the debian way |
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| 11:01.27 | Nigromante | go to kernel.org and download the last kernel source |
| 11:01.39 | Nigromante | 2.6.15.3 |
| 11:01.49 | Nigromante | and you will have to compile it |
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| 11:02.32 | Tadej`Certanc | hi |
| 11:02.43 | Tadej`Certanc | I which .deb package can I find ip command? |
| 11:02.54 | bbrazil | iproute |
| 11:02.55 | deadcat | ip command? |
| 11:03.11 | deadcat | whats the ip command do? |
| 11:03.32 | bbrazil | successor to ifconfig, arp etc. |
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| 11:03.52 | deadcat | wow. theres a successor to ifconfig? noooooooo... |
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| 11:06.50 | fireba11 | *g* |
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| 11:07.39 | fsd | ok |
| 11:07.57 | fsd | somthing happen to my "dig" command coz its not working ? |
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| 11:08.33 | indirekt | can anyone tell me how to fix that error ? |
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| 11:08.50 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 11:08.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:09.25 | indirekt | ... |
| 11:09.29 | indirekt | !dig |
| 11:09.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
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| 11:09.41 | teedeezee | liable |
| 11:09.48 | teedeezee | someone stole my name hehe |
| 11:09.49 | indirekt | anyone ? |
| 11:10.04 | liable | teedeezee: it hasnt timed out yet.. |
| 11:10.10 | teedeezee | k |
| 11:10.13 | liable | teedeezee: what does it say? |
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| 11:10.26 | indirekt | anyone ? |
| 11:10.35 | liable | teedeezee: the ftp or http lines say sarge or stable? |
| 11:10.53 | fireba11 | indego: be more specific ybout the problem .. we are no fortune tellers |
| 11:11.13 | fireba11 | ups .. was for indirekt |
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| 11:11.34 | fireba11 | indirekt: and i can only read your mind when you are standing in from of me ^^ |
| 11:11.40 | Annoyable | Anyone know if there are any compatibility issues with testing and the latest kernel? cause it sure seems like it, make modules_install even has the wrong syntaxes for ln |
| 11:11.43 | indirekt | ? |
| 11:11.50 | indirekt | i said my dig command isnt working |
| 11:11.58 | teedeezee | it reads #deb file:///cdrom/sargemain deb cdrom :[debian GNU/Linux 3.1r1 _sarge Official i386 Binary 3 unstable contrib main |
| 11:12.09 | indirekt | bash: dig: command not found |
| 11:12.10 | indirekt | root@stars:/home/hsikrut# |
| 11:12.11 | fireba11 | indirekt: and we need to know what happens if you try to use it .. if you get an error or what ? |
| 11:12.19 | indirekt | dude i said it didnt work |
| 11:12.31 | fireba11 | indirekt: so it's not NOT WORKIGN but jstu plainly NOT THERE |
| 11:12.33 | liable | indirekt: so install dnsutils.. |
| 11:12.41 | tiptap | hmm if there's an installation thats been done on / and i want to create a /tmp whats the best way so i can basically mount /tmp with noexec without having to mount the whole / i know you can create an image and use that as a loop device for /tmp or something but i'm not sure how to do it |
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| 11:13.02 | liable | teedeezee: is there any ftp or http lines? |
| 11:13.14 | indirekt | WHY |
| 11:13.18 | indirekt | thanx liable |
| 11:13.20 | fireba11 | indirekt: install dnsutils, dig is a part of that .. if its installed it might magically just work (tm) |
| 11:13.23 | indirekt | that was so simple |
| 11:13.25 | teedeezee | at the bottom it says #deb http://security.debian.org/stable/updates main contrib |
| 11:13.26 | indirekt | k |
| 11:13.53 | indirekt | laters manG |
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| 11:16.55 | ircdevil | liable: ? |
| 11:16.59 | liable | teedeezee: ok, looks like it should be sarge, I am going to bed, paste the whole thing on a paster (/msg dpkg paste) and ask someone to have a look at it. Seems theres something wrong with that file or something simple. |
| 11:17.07 | liable | ircdevil: yes? |
| 11:17.21 | teedeezee | k thanks for your help liable |
| 11:17.58 | ircdevil | liable: ah - you are still around. i got the card working with a ndiswrapper to the winblows driver. i can scan the different networks in the building, but now i cant set the essid |
| 11:18.15 | liable | teedeezee: np, make sure you paste the entire output. (the lines are commented which seems a bit strange for starters..) |
| 11:18.31 | teedeezee | yeah i did'nt copy it properly |
| 11:18.33 | teedeezee | :) |
| 11:19.17 | ircdevil | liable: iwconfig wlan0 essid 'ESSID' and iwconfig still shows: wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:off/any |
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| 11:19.22 | teedeezee | ill get it properly for tomorrow, too tired now |
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| 11:20.43 | liable | ircdevil: uh, you arent putting 'ESSID' in are you? |
| 11:21.07 | liable | ircdevil: you are supposed to use *your* essid.. |
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| 11:21.30 | liable | ircdevil: i'm off anyway. good luck. :) |
| 11:21.32 | ircdevil | liable: its just an example. but it should say ESSID |
| 11:21.44 | ircdevil | liable: oh, ok. thanks for the help :o) |
| 11:21.49 | liable | no it should say <your ssid> |
| 11:22.02 | ircdevil | liable: <an example> :o9 |
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| 11:22.58 | liable | iwconfig ssid foo-ap wlan0 |
| 11:23.09 | goron | Is it normal that some package installs impact32.exe? |
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| 11:23.44 | goron | (msttcorefonts ) |
| 11:24.27 | liable | in that case yes |
| 11:24.33 | liable | !msttcorefonts |
| 11:24.34 | dpkg | i guess msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
| 11:24.40 | ircdevil | liable: nope, bad syntax |
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| 11:24.49 | liable | essid, sorry |
| 11:25.10 | liable | essid "foo-ap" |
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| 11:26.26 | Knight_Lord | How can i find the size of an image with libtiff? |
| 11:26.52 | fas3r__ | anybody know what's the command for restart adsl connection with an ethernet modem ... i use pppoe .. |
| 11:28.21 | goron | liable: thank you |
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| 11:30.28 | beered | I'm looking for a nice calendar scheduling and personal information manager. Any suggestions? |
| 11:30.36 | beered | I'm looking for a nice calendar scheduling and personal information manager. Any suggestions? |
| 11:30.39 | beered | opps... |
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| 11:32.29 | ft | fas3r__: poff && pon |
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| 11:32.43 | fas3r__ | oki thank ft :p |
| 11:32.55 | k31th | if i want to enable access no matter wat other rules i add for ssh on port 20 |
| 11:32.58 | fireba11 | beered: sunbird ? |
| 11:32.59 | k31th | say i want to add 3 ips to i just re add the rule 3 times with a diff source ip ? |
| 11:33.13 | k31th | iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.16 -d 192.168.2.20 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT (for example) |
| 11:33.28 | beered | fireba11: looks promising. |
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| 11:34.36 | beered | fireba11: Alpha release 0.3? LOL/ |
| 11:34.52 | fireba11 | someone knows a tool to generate nice passwords ? (that is save but still rememberable passwords ? i.g. made up of sylables with a few numbers thrown in or so) ? |
| 11:34.58 | beered | fireba11: passgen |
| 11:35.04 | fireba11 | beered: use 0.2 it works fine |
| 11:35.24 | fluxdude | Could someone please tell me what they believe the best single sign on solution is to authenticate Windows and Linux? |
| 11:35.59 | beered | fluxdude: well you have to be alittle more specific. I use LDAP. |
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| 11:37.31 | quik_ | how do I find out what version of kde I have installed? |
| 11:37.40 | Beleys | Poy |
| 11:37.41 | Greatred | help->about kde |
| 11:37.42 | fireba11 | beered: those are purely random .. noone will be able to remember those |
| 11:38.14 | AciD | quik_ > dpkg -l|grep kdelib |
| 11:38.15 | beered | fireba11: ah, you need password vault not generator. |
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| 11:38.57 | beered | fireba11: you asked for a way to GENERATE passwords. |
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| 11:39.00 | tiptap | hmm if /tmp isn't on its own partition, as the installation is all in / how can i create an image and loop /tmp to that image and mount it as if it's on its own parition so i can set it to noexec? |
| 11:39.27 | fireba11 | beered i want a tool that generates passwords .. but not completely random but uses syllables so the password generated CAN be remembered by the average user .. random passwords can not |
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| 11:40.05 | beered | fireba11: you are looking for dictionary based password generator then. |
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| 11:40.38 | fireba11 | beered: maybe .. i never saw anything that could do it that way .. well except a php script ... |
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| 11:41.38 | bartden | hi, i would like to load something on boot, what file and in what rc*d dir should i edit it |
| 11:41.40 | beered | fireba11: google for dictionary based password generator. |
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| 11:44.22 | fireba11 | beered: think i found something, thanks |
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| 11:45.13 | jm_ | bartden: read README.runlevels.gz |
| 11:45.57 | tiptap | :( |
| 11:46.21 | jm_ | fireba11: pwgen can do that |
| 11:48.11 | fireba11 | jm_ having a look |
| 11:49.43 | fireba11 | jm_ output isn't really easy to remember but better than purely random :-) |
| 11:50.19 | jm_ | fireba11: yeah, try -s switch |
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| 11:50.29 | jm_ | now that's not easy to remember ;) |
| 11:50.36 | fireba11 | jm_ got a tool for that already *g* |
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| 11:52.20 | jc_ | I have problems for installation of firefox 1.5 under debian woody, I dont have a libstdc++.so.5 |
| 11:52.50 | Gnea | jc_: is that a backport? |
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| 11:54.02 | jm_ | !tell jc_ -about search |
| 11:54.17 | jm_ | ohh Woody, good luck ;) |
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| 11:57.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:57.52 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:58.29 | elarifr | hello. i made a debian 3.1 server with softwate raid1with md5 = /var/mail. in fact i need this space mounted for /var/spool |
| 11:58.30 | elarifr | how must i do ? |
| 11:58.32 | elarifr | i have tryed to move data from var/mail and var/spool |
| 11:58.33 | elarifr | umount /var/mail |
| 11:58.35 | elarifr | change etc/fstab |
| 11:58.36 | tarzeau | !tryed |
| 11:58.37 | dpkg | from memory, tryed is not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
| 11:58.38 | elarifr | when i try mout -a it answer |
| 11:58.39 | elarifr | mount: mount point /var/spool does not exist |
| 11:58.41 | elarifr | please can someone help me ???? |
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| 12:01.11 | elarifr | i'm not native english speaking... i would like to see you writing in french :) |
| 12:01.12 | elarifr | yes i meant tried.... and sorry if i make some more mistake . |
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| 12:03.21 | Paivakil | elarifr: you ned to force the order in which the directories are to be mounted - see the manual page for mount |
| 12:03.36 | Paivakil | elarifr: and also the manualpage for fstab |
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| 12:03.53 | slept | how can I find out if someone is identified or not ? |
| 12:04.04 | petemc | slept: /whois |
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| 12:04.11 | slept | thanks |
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| 12:06.13 | jc_ | Gnea no |
| 12:06.49 | Gnea | jc_: then of course it won't work - you either have to find a backport or upgrade to sarge |
| 12:06.55 | Gnea | or settle without |
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| 12:07.55 | jc_ | Gnea I need only libstdc++.so.5 for firefox execute |
| 12:08.20 | Gnea | jc_: that should be in woody |
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| 12:09.31 | jc_ | I go upgrade for sarge now |
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| 12:09.46 | jc_ | I change my source.lists |
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| 12:13.48 | CountZ | brb |
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| 12:18.08 | k31th | Im adding iptable rules and they dont appear wen i type iptables --list ?????????????????????? |
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| 12:19.17 | sigma | tried "iptables-save"? |
| 12:19.31 | jm_ | !ep |
| 12:19.32 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:19.44 | knoxy | Hi all.. I dont have sucess in netlogin of windows stations into samba server domain.. The windows stations can see samba domain network, but the login/password dont authenticate. Somebody help-me? |
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| 12:20.36 | fireba11 | knoxy: what auth do you use in samba ? |
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| 12:21.00 | Gnea | knoxy: #samba |
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| 12:21.28 | AKX | Any light-weight alternatives for ntop? |
| 12:21.30 | ludwig_ | hello! |
| 12:21.42 | jm_ | depends what do you want alternatives to do |
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| 12:21.51 | Ronin | *yawn* wonder if i closed my door would anynotce |
| 12:22.06 | tzafrir_laptop | Hi, I'm trying to prepare a packages source with apt-ftparchive. How do I put some packages from the pool in "main" and others in "not-main"? (different section) |
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| 12:22.19 | AKX | Well.. not sure really jm_.. just that ntop ate 16% of my server's memory, and that wasn't a Good Thing |
| 12:22.21 | fireba11 | Ronin: since i don't know hwere you are i cant tell |
| 12:22.32 | ludwig_ | One question - what channel should I ask in for video questions (MPEG4 file of more than 2GB size are not played with Windows MediaPLayer) |
| 12:22.37 | jm_ | AKX: yeah, so what do you want it to show? |
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| 12:22.43 | Gnea | AKX: maybe your server requires better memory management |
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| 12:23.26 | sigma | ludwig_ #microsoft-public-support? (SCNR) |
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| 12:23.34 | fireba11 | ludwig_: try a good media player .. also windows questions are completely wrong here |
| 12:23.36 | AKX | heh, well, jm_, as said, not sure.. i'm just here to look for alternatives, really. the other admin actually uses ntop :) |
| 12:23.49 | Gnea | ugh, why does gphoto2 require root privelages? |
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| 12:23.52 | elirips | hello people. is there a tool that helps me synchronise the state of two debian sarge systems (packages/config/data)? So that in case the first machine starts burning or whatever, I can simply connect the second one to the network and have exactly the same as before? |
| 12:23.56 | ramiro | how i can know the linux installed ? debian, slackware, redhat ¿? |
| 12:24.06 | ludwig_ | sigma, thx |
| 12:24.24 | sigma | elirips: 1:1 copy? |
| 12:24.25 | Gnea | elirips: heartbeat |
| 12:24.28 | ludwig_ | fireba11, I know mplayer is better and also runs under Windows - thx anyway! |
| 12:24.49 | tzafrir_laptop | ramiro, take a look at /etc/*version and /etc/*release |
| 12:25.03 | fireba11 | elirips you can rsync it .. but take care not to continue synic a damaged system .. or maybe just cron-apt to keep both up-to-date ? |
| 12:25.09 | elirips | sigma: the idea is that i have a backup-machine, which is 1:1 the same as the other. |
| 12:25.16 | tzafrir_laptop | ramiro, may actually help |
| 12:25.19 | ramiro | tzafrir_laptop : i dont have boths |
| 12:25.21 | fireba11 | ludwig_: was actually thinking about BSplayer though :-) |
| 12:25.36 | tzafrir_laptop | ramiro, It's not RH and not Deban, then |
| 12:25.39 | elirips | fireba11: cron-apt would basically work, it is just if i chane some config then i have to manually change this too on the 2nd machine.. |
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| 12:26.05 | elirips | fireba11: maybe something with cron-apt and rsync'ing /etc and /home would work... (?) |
| 12:26.15 | fireba11 | elarifr: then use a dayly sync via rsync ? just take care to stop syncing machinge B if machine A is faulty :-) |
| 12:26.21 | Gnea | elirips: basically you want it so that if you pull the power plug on one machine, the other one steps right in and says "haha, no power outage fo shizzle!"? |
| 12:26.31 | sigma | elirips: *but* if one box xrashes due to software bug, 1:1 copy of it on other box won't be more stable |
| 12:26.41 | tzafrir_laptop | fireba11, there are things you can't rsync. e.g: a mysql database |
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| 12:26.50 | ludwig_ | fireba11, I prefer xine than mplayer, but the difference is not that big - they both base on ffmpeg ... |
| 12:26.51 | sigma | that would be bug in the concept of 1:1 backup |
| 12:26.53 | fireba11 | tzafrir_laptop: wrong |
| 12:27.10 | Gnea | fireba11: no, he's right |
| 12:27.18 | elirips | sigma: well, I only use debian sarge packages, no backports, etc.. so I am not soooo scared of software bugs, but you're right. |
| 12:27.19 | fireba11 | tzafrir_laptop: you jsut need to stop it, sync it and start it again |
| 12:27.28 | tzafrir_laptop | fireba11, you can rsync, but you're not guaranteed to copy correct data |
| 12:27.35 | fireba11 | tzafrir_laptop: also syncing a live database worked fine for me so far |
| 12:27.38 | Gnea | fireba11: if you rsync a sql db in the middle of a transaction, then you've shot yourself in the foot |
| 12:27.48 | fireba11 | gnea of course |
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| 12:28.09 | fireba11 | gnea you need a few lines of script .. stop database, sync, start and voila |
| 12:28.12 | elirips | Gnea: well, it doesn't matter if the machine is down for 5 minutes... but yes I would like to have a backup-machine.. |
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| 12:28.22 | Gnea | fireba11: right, but not everyone realizes that |
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| 12:29.12 | tzafrir_laptop | apt-ftparchive, anybody? |
| 12:29.17 | fireba11 | Gnea: i'm syncing without stopping it right now .. because 1) the database got about 5 write accesses per day 2) at that time i'm 100% no writing is done and 3) nothing important in there anyway :-) |
| 12:29.28 | fireba11 | Gnea: but really should do it the cleam way(tm) |
| 12:29.46 | sigma | elirips: for what do you want to be prepared? Against failing drive? |
| 12:30.01 | sigma | elirips: or network failure? power supply failure? |
| 12:31.15 | elirips | sigma: for the case that I am in holiday and would need about half a day to return. |
| 12:31.16 | elirips | sigma: so I can tell someone I know there, take the ethernet-cable of machine A, put it into machine B, start that machine |
| 12:31.16 | elirips | sigma: hope that it will work until I am back. |
| 12:31.16 | elirips | sigma: if any hardware-thing on machine A fails. |
| 12:31.47 | sigma | no need for manual switch, run some watchdog monitoring the boxes each other |
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| 12:32.04 | elirips | there is apache (with php), mysql, sshd, vsftp and lots of cronjobs that read and parse data runing on the machine.. |
| 12:32.36 | sigma | elirips: you are www-provider sth? |
| 12:32.43 | elirips | sigma: nope ;) |
| 12:33.17 | elirips | sigma: providing *some* webinterface, where some users can put in their date, that is then stored in the database. and then in the night being processed by another machine. |
| 12:33.27 | Danamania | where is a route set permanently so it loads on boot? |
| 12:33.28 | elirips | data, not date |
| 12:34.02 | ircdevil | will linux work with wireless wpa? |
| 12:34.36 | Gnea | ircdevil: yes. |
| 12:34.53 | Gnea | it does |
| 12:35.04 | ircdevil | Gnea: and with wireless-tools ? (how to set the key correctly ...) |
| 12:35.27 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 12:35.28 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 12:35.39 | Gnea | ircdevil: there is documentation |
| 12:35.54 | ircdevil | Gnea: that site is not really docs - its just a collection of driver stuff |
| 12:36.25 | Gnea | ircdevil: well, google still works... how about "linux wpa howto" |
| 12:36.28 | ircdevil | Gnea: and WPA is not mentioned in man wireless or man iwconfig |
| 12:36.31 | sigma | elirips: well, run watchdogs like heartbeat on all boxes |
| 12:37.13 | tiptap | hey i currently have an installation on / and i need to have /tmp on a different partition temporarily without rebooting as i need to set it to noexec, now is it possible to somehow create an image, and loop it to the image for /tmp and set it to noexec ? |
| 12:37.26 | Gnea | ircdevil: actually that page has more than just drivers |
| 12:37.29 | omry|work | hi, I got a flatron f900b monitor that looks blurry on linux. on windows it looks fine. I didn't manage to find the correct xorg.conf settings for it. |
| 12:37.30 | elirips | sigma: but with watchdog i still don't have a 1:1 backup-copy. |
| 12:37.42 | sigma | elirips: rsync whatever |
| 12:37.56 | ircdevil | Gnea: but is sure tells little about how to setup /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:38.28 | Gnea | ircdevil: well that's debian specific, you didn't mention interfaces right off the bat |
| 12:38.45 | Gnea | ircdevil: anyway, google |
| 12:38.59 | elirips | sigma: rsync should hold for that, not? except for some things i would have to change later manually, like the interfaces-configuration, sshd keys. |
| 12:39.00 | ircdevil | Gnea: well, ok |
| 12:39.11 | Gnea | ircdevil: you can find howtos for other distributions and sub-distros of debian and apply it |
| 12:40.06 | vin` | ircdevil: so wifi works now? |
| 12:40.13 | SerajewelKS | damn this drift |
| 12:40.20 | SerajewelKS | my computer woke me up ONE FUCKING HOUR EARLY |
| 12:40.28 | vin` | heh |
| 12:40.34 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: what drift ?? |
| 12:40.35 | jm_ | hehehe |
| 12:40.42 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: date drifted? |
| 12:40.42 | vin` | SerajewelKS: stop booting windows, you'll be fine. |
| 12:40.46 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: this POS called the "linux system clock" |
| 12:41.00 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: hum ... you not using ntp ? :-) |
| 12:41.01 | Zet | aptitude install ntpd |
| 12:41.02 | vin` | SerajewelKS: the clock works to perfection here. |
| 12:41.10 | SerajewelKS | of course i'm using ntp |
| 12:41.17 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: just set /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart to crontab everyday at midnight or so |
| 12:41.20 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: then its not working |
| 12:41.26 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: no shit |
| 12:41.36 | Zet | pebkac |
| 12:41.40 | Gnea | better than being late :) |
| 12:41.42 | vin` | whine away. |
| 12:41.43 | SerajewelKS | Zet: prove it |
| 12:41.50 | jm_ | ntpq will tell you something about it |
| 12:42.11 | Zet | SerajewelKS: ntp can be set to constantly monitor clock drift. you obviously haven't taken the measures to do that? |
| 12:42.18 | vin` | SerajewelKS: it could be a bug, but aren't the problems related to you booting winbloze in between? |
| 12:42.28 | Gnea | Zet: it can be? how? |
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| 12:42.53 | SerajewelKS | vin`: i thought so too.. but i tried rebooting linux, and that happens too |
| 12:43.01 | SerajewelKS | vin`: if the system goes down *at all* the clock fucks up |
| 12:43.10 | Zet | Gnea: doesn't ntpd track clock drift all the time? |
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| 12:43.27 | vin` | SerajewelKS: strange indeed. |
| 12:43.34 | sylvisj | So.. how would I install quicktime on Debian? Through wine? |
| 12:43.42 | SerajewelKS | vin`: more like annoying. i got up at 6:30 instead of 7:30 |
| 12:43.49 | Gnea | Zet: oh i thought you knew how to do that - how should i know? that's why i asked |
| 12:43.59 | vin` | sylvisj: try w32codecs from marillat, use it with mplayer. |
| 12:44.02 | Annoyable | sylvisj, I suggest mplayer, it's got codecs for quicktime |
| 12:44.06 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: so hardware clock is dead .. just invoke ntpdate pool.ntp.org in some startup script at boot time and you are fine .. got a box like that here |
| 12:44.16 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: hardware clock is fine |
| 12:44.29 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: hwclock shows it to know the correct time, pretty much all the time |
| 12:44.34 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: only the system clock is racing |
| 12:44.39 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you booting anything else than debian in between ? |
| 12:44.52 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: occasionally windows, but it does this on just a reboot of linux |
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| 12:45.15 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: hm ... something is seriously screwed up then |
| 12:45.24 | sylvisj | Annoyable: Any way to use it with firefox? |
| 12:45.31 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: and i should note that windows has no problems keeping time |
| 12:45.36 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: mozilla-mplayer |
| 12:45.43 | ircdevil | vin`: sorry, was tweaking router. yes, i got the card working (bit of a bother thou ;o) - i can see the network, but not connect |
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| 12:45.51 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: windows uses other means to track time than linux though |
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| 12:46.10 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: and i'm to believe that linux's method is better? |
| 12:46.20 | sylvisj | SerajewelKS: Do you know what source I could use? I can't get it on testing apparently |
| 12:46.31 | xoz | SerajewelKS: are you using hwclock in /etc/init.d/? |
| 12:46.38 | vin` | ircdevil: try connecting without any encryption. |
| 12:46.40 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: yes .. they stick to the most precise method possible |
| 12:46.41 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: it's in contrib |
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| 12:47.03 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: precise my ass... 6:30 != 7:30 |
| 12:47.19 | SerajewelKS | xoz: probably to set the clock initially |
| 12:47.28 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: you always had that problem on that box ? or just recently ? |
| 12:47.34 | ircdevil | vin`: you mean that i should disable restricted access i the router? |
| 12:47.40 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: it went away last time i reinstalled debian, now it's back |
| 12:47.41 | Annoyable | sylvisj, sure, mozplugger or something is a plugin for that uses mplayer |
| 12:47.45 | tyler_ | can vmware be used on pc with only 233mhz and 64mb ram? |
| 12:47.49 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: but a whole hour sounds more like wrong timezone or daylight savings to me |
| 12:47.55 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: granted i didn't reboot for like a month |
| 12:48.00 | sylvisj | E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate |
| 12:48.02 | sep | tyler_, not efficiently |
| 12:48.20 | petemc | SerajewelKS: i think you just need to edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:48.21 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: /etc/timezone says US/East-Indiana |
| 12:48.36 | sylvisj | Gah... |
| 12:48.42 | xoz | SerajewelKS: it seems that if it is not configured properly, time is fckd on shutdown/reboot. |
| 12:48.43 | vin` | ircdevil: until your connection is stable, turn off all encryption, on the router yes. |
| 12:48.48 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: okay .. what does your /var/lib/ntp.drift say ? |
| 12:48.48 | xoz | SerajewelKS: /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock.gz |
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| 12:49.01 | sylvisj | apt-cache search isn't showing mplayer, and I have contrib sources. |
| 12:49.18 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: presently, nothing. i rm'ed it after doing ntpdate to reset ntp's perception of time. |
| 12:49.22 | tyler_ | sep, any lighter software for me to use windows programs while in linux? |
| 12:49.27 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: since apparently the drift was way incorrect |
| 12:49.31 | sylvisj | tyler_: Wine. |
| 12:49.34 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: ah okay |
| 12:49.58 | vin` | !dbugs #342887 |
| 12:50.02 | dpkg | #342887:I[util-linux] util-linux: hwclock runs at the wrong point in the rcS.d sequence; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:48:02 UTC |
| 12:50.05 | tyler_ | wine? |
| 12:50.08 | sep | tyler_, wine ... if the program in question run's under wine that is |
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| 12:50.20 | tyler_ | with 23hz, 64mb ram, ok? |
| 12:50.29 | vin` | SerajewelKS: it ain't that right? ^ |
| 12:50.30 | ircdevil | vin`: hrm, i realize i may need wpa_supplicant configuration |
| 12:50.32 | sylvisj | Everything runs under wine, just depends on if you have to patch it. |
| 12:50.38 | sylvisj | tyler_ Thought you said 233mhz? |
| 12:50.40 | ircdevil | vin`: but yes, your suggestion is sane |
| 12:50.41 | SerajewelKS | vin`: possibly, i don't know that it's related to hwclock |
| 12:50.42 | tyler_ | damn! |
| 12:50.46 | tyler_ | yup 233 |
| 12:50.47 | tyler_ | :( |
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| 12:50.55 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: edit /etc/ntp.conf to make a seperate lgofile for ntp so you can have a better look if you didn't already |
| 12:50.57 | sylvisj | ... you need a new computer. |
| 12:51.01 | sylvisj | www.winehq.org |
| 12:51.22 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: ok |
| 12:51.30 | sylvisj | Download wine-0.9.7 from there, http://wiki.kaspersandberg.com/doku.php?id=howtos:wine:wine has instructions for building it. |
| 12:51.50 | sylvisj | I strongly suggest downloading source and building it, have it build while you're at school or something. |
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| 12:52.16 | sylvisj | Warning: If using debian, it only works on Etch aka Testing and above. |
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| 12:52.42 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: it should sync about once or twice a day .. since it's calculatig drift of HW clock that's enough .. what ntp servers do you use ? |
| 12:52.56 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: pool.ntp.org |
| 12:53.32 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: okay .. those are working pretty fine for me so they should be for you too :-) |
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| 12:53.50 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: i don't suppose i can ask it to sync every hour? |
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| 12:54.33 | xoz | SerajewelKS: unless the system clock is really that inaccurate, it is overkill |
| 12:54.47 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: the root of the problem being a corrupt bios + apic enabled? |
| 12:54.48 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: no .. you can always make a cronjob to do ntpdate pool.ntp.org every hour but that's the blunt way(tm) |
| 12:55.29 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: your guess is as good as mine |
| 12:55.53 | SerajewelKS | xoz: it drifted an hour ahead in less than a day |
| 12:56.12 | xoz | SerajewelKS: while running? no reboot? |
| 12:56.20 | SerajewelKS | xoz: yes |
| 12:56.30 | xoz | SerajewelKS: you must have a bad hardware or kernel. |
| 12:56.33 | zinx | SerajewelKS: is this a laptop? |
| 12:56.37 | SerajewelKS | zinx: no |
| 12:56.44 | zinx | SerajewelKS: dual-core amd64? |
| 12:56.51 | SerajewelKS | zinx: no |
| 12:56.59 | zinx | SerajewelKS: ur computer sux :D |
| 12:57.08 | SerajewelKS | zinx: maybe, but it should still keep time |
| 12:57.22 | xoz | SerajewelKS: is it running near the speed of light? time-warping :) |
| 12:57.23 | zinx | SerajewelKS: you can try disabling APIC |
| 12:57.24 | SerajewelKS | xoz: i had no problems for like two months after reinstalling debian |
| 12:57.39 | SerajewelKS | xoz: it used to, before i reinstalled debian (mp3s would play fast, etc) |
| 12:57.50 | xoz | SerajewelKS: what kernel version? |
| 12:57.54 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: laptop ? always connected to the net ? |
| 12:58.01 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: no, yes |
| 12:58.05 | SerajewelKS | xoz: 2.6.15 |
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| 12:58.28 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: ntp isn't really designed to handle offline times .. probably there is your problem |
| 12:58.37 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: ther are other sync tools for that |
| 12:58.45 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: that screams "bug" to me |
| 12:58.49 | xoz | SerajewelKS: drifts can be a kernel issue |
| 12:59.00 | SerajewelKS | xoz: of course it can |
| 12:59.03 | SerajewelKS | xoz: but is it? |
| 12:59.13 | zinx | SerajewelKS: try disabling APIC :/ |
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| 12:59.29 | cahoot | first check if it's enabled |
| 12:59.30 | xoz | SerajewelKS: try the previous kernel and examine for a day... disable apic as zinx says |
| 12:59.30 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i don't even know how to tell if that's enabled |
| 12:59.47 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: look in /proc/interrupts |
| 12:59.51 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: no .. probably you got a large drift .. now ntp tries to get a new time and can't .. untill ntp gets its time the drift may be larger than half an hour and ntp stops changing the time because it thinks it may be wrong |
| 13:01.05 | SerajewelKS | xoz: the previous kernel does not support my tuner card |
| 13:01.11 | zinx | ntpdate will sync, once, at boot (due to debian's init scripts) |
| 13:01.24 | zinx | ntpd will normally only skew the clock so that it runs at the right speed |
| 13:01.30 | zinx | you have to give it a special option to step it |
| 13:01.32 | xoz | SerajewelKS: just to check if it is a kernel issue. |
| 13:01.39 | zinx | (and you probably don't want to) |
| 13:01.39 | SerajewelKS | zinx: which option is that |
| 13:01.46 | zinx | but yeah, it's likely a kernel issue |
| 13:01.51 | SerajewelKS | zinx: hell i do, i'm not waking up at 6:30 again |
| 13:02.01 | zinx | SerajewelKS: you want to fix the ACTUAL problem |
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| 13:02.15 | sylvisj | How do I kill a locked wine thread? |
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| 13:02.17 | SerajewelKS | zinx: eventually, yes. in the meantime i want an alarm clock that works. |
| 13:02.23 | zinx | SerajewelKS: the actual problem is either cpu frequency scaling, or apic, both of which can be disabled. |
| 13:02.24 | SerajewelKS | sylvisj: killall wine |
| 13:02.29 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: maybe chrony works better for your box |
| 13:02.42 | zinx | SerajewelKS: disabling apic is not some inhumanly difficult task |
| 13:02.48 | nomopofomo | how can i figure out what's wrong with my new kernel? i can't connect to the internet after i did a make/make install/make modules/make modules_install |
| 13:02.52 | zinx | SerajewelKS: just add noapic to the kernel command line, afaik |
| 13:02.53 | sylvisj | Needed killall -9 wine-preloader, but thx for the building blocks |
| 13:03.24 | zinx | sylvisj: sounds more like cedega to me |
| 13:03.27 | SerajewelKS | zinx: what exactly does apic do |
| 13:03.39 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it gives your more interrupts, and it's broken on some motherboards |
| 13:03.41 | xoz | !apic |
| 13:03.42 | dpkg | from memory, apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 13:03.43 | sylvisj | zinx. It's wine, compiled from source. |
| 13:03.44 | zinx | erh, s/your/you/ |
| 13:03.49 | tijn | anyone experience with acer laptops? |
| 13:03.56 | tijn | quality i mean |
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| 13:04.06 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i mobo uses nForce2 if that helps |
| 13:04.09 | zinx | sylvisj: ah, well, i try not to use either ;D |
| 13:04.16 | cahoot | there's your problem |
| 13:04.25 | SerajewelKS | zinx: and there's no cpufreq modules loaded |
| 13:04.29 | fireba11 | tijn: they seem to be pretty much okay |
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| 13:04.41 | zinx | SerajewelKS: then don't ignore the most probable solution |
| 13:04.57 | zinx | i see way too many people picking something they know it isn't, and fixating on that |
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| 13:05.24 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i'm not picking anything.. just for some reason i don't see how apic could be causing drift |
| 13:05.44 | zinx | SerajewelKS: ... just try it, ok? if it doesn't fix it, then you can try something else. |
| 13:05.48 | xoz | !search google for apic drift |
| 13:05.54 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for apic drift |
| 13:06.06 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: nforce2 + apic + corrupt bios - well known problem with clock drift |
| 13:06.18 | Evil_Lyra | hi ppl |
| 13:06.21 | xoz | !search google for nforce2 drift |
| 13:06.26 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for nforce2 drift |
| 13:06.30 | Evil_Lyra | any news about xorg on sid? |
| 13:06.38 | Evil_Lyra | xinerama is broken |
| 13:06.41 | tijn | fireball, ok thnx :D |
| 13:06.47 | Evil_Lyra | and X -configure gives a segfault! |
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| 13:07.13 | SerajewelKS | xoz: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0408.2/1865.html ? |
| 13:07.34 | SerajewelKS | xoz: he's running almost identical hardware too |
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| 13:07.59 | zinx | SerajewelKS: there you go, then. disable apic, and all's well. |
| 13:08.09 | zinx | SerajewelKS: exactly what we've been saying. |
| 13:08.10 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Support/KnownHardwareIssues |
| 13:08.10 | fireba11 | Evil_Lyra: woho for unstable :-) |
| 13:08.21 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i don't suppose i'll lose any significant features by losing apic |
| 13:08.42 | Evil_Lyra | fireba11: yeah... i know... |
| 13:08.58 | petemc | SerajewelKS: did you try setting UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 13:09.04 | Evil_Lyra | "you shouldnt be using sid" |
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| 13:09.49 | SerajewelKS | petemc: it does =no, i'm not that stupid |
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| 13:09.58 | zinx | SerajewelKS: if you don't notice anything terribly obvious (hardware not working), then no |
| 13:10.03 | XTF | Hi. Where can I find documentation about installing a package from experimental on unstable? |
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| 13:10.14 | SerajewelKS | alright, brb |
| 13:10.22 | vulture | XTF: um.. general rule "if you're asking, you shouldn't be doing it" |
| 13:10.28 | petemc | SerajewelKS: did i say you were stupid? |
| 13:10.40 | XTF | vulture: I've heard about that one. :) |
| 13:11.10 | ft | XTF: 'man aptitude' might know, though |
| 13:11.51 | prog | hello to all, i would like to ask you ... how can i use kernel from testing in stable ? |
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| 13:12.07 | dbron | Hi all, anyone know if you can change the output of ping to show a ! rather than all of the typical cruft, I really don't want to see how long the return took, |
| 13:12.10 | fireba11 | Evil_Lyra :-) can't help you there though |
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| 13:12.58 | Evil_Lyra | fireba11: no problem. I will wait more. I was just looking for news about it. |
| 13:13.05 | azeem | !fr |
| 13:13.05 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 13:13.37 | azeem | dpkg, no fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debianfr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr |
| 13:13.38 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 13:13.40 | bibe | prog : you can use a kernel built from linux-source package from testing (or unstable), but you can't use a linux-image package from testing directly on stable. Use backports instead |
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| 13:14.25 | SerajewelKS | petemc: no, just trying to prove it =) |
| 13:14.35 | bibe | prog : I'd suggest you to go to www.backports.org and follow the instructions there. You can easily install a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 13:14.36 | SerajewelKS | zinx: okay, we'll see if it drifts today |
| 13:14.49 | prog | bibe, thank you very much |
| 13:14.54 | bibe | prog : no problem |
| 13:15.04 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: and theck the ntpd lofile :-) |
| 13:15.11 | SerajewelKS | fireba11: yup |
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| 13:17.56 | rohan | priyank: hey .. |
| 13:18.01 | rohan | priyank: shoot ::) |
| 13:18.08 | priyank | hmm |
| 13:18.24 | XTF | ft: Thanks. That and editing sources.list did the trick. |
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| 13:18.35 | priyank | i installed rxvt-unicode, and ttf-bitstream-vera, but when i run urxvt, i get the following error |
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| 13:18.41 | priyank | prix $ urxvt |
| 13:18.41 | priyank | urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. |
| 13:19.02 | priyank | im using Bitstream Vera Sans mono for urxvt in .Xdefaults |
| 13:19.05 | jm_ | so specify a valid font |
| 13:19.20 | rohan | jm_: he is specifying. i am getting the same error too. |
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| 13:19.36 | jm_ | rohan: using Sarge? |
| 13:19.44 | rohan | jm_: sid. |
| 13:19.54 | jm_ | rohan: ok, that's good to hear ;) |
| 13:20.00 | priyank | heh |
| 13:20.05 | rohan | jm_: :) |
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| 13:20.24 | jm_ | worth checking BTS |
| 13:20.40 | rohan | but no workabout ? i use urxvt as my main term :( |
| 13:20.53 | jm_ | check if it works in other terminals |
| 13:21.01 | priyank | jm_: it works |
| 13:21.07 | priyank | jm_: in aterm, xterm |
| 13:21.34 | jm_ | priyank: yeah I've been through that too, but with mrxvt |
| 13:21.38 | priyank | jm_: is rxvt-unicode compiled with xft ? |
| 13:21.44 | rohan | yes it is, priyank |
| 13:21.48 | priyank | oh |
| 13:21.53 | XTF | Is there a tool to show the diff between a current conf file and an original one (or, is the original one stored)? |
| 13:22.13 | rohan | XTF: if you have both the files, use diff -u |
| 13:22.17 | jes-o-mat | Hi |
| 13:22.22 | jm_ | priyank: it depends on fontconfig |
| 13:22.36 | XTF | rohan: I don't. Is there a setting to automatically store original conf files somewhere? |
| 13:22.43 | rohan | no idea, XTF |
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| 13:23.07 | jm_ | dpkg asks you if you want to overwrite config files when installing packages, it also has an option to show the diff and it keeps backups |
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| 13:23.23 | Trev_ | Morning ! |
| 13:23.26 | jes-o-mat | I'd like to install etch, while running testing-installer everything runs fine, but 2.6.8 is installed which does not support my hardware. Is an installer out there which installs a newser one (2.6.12 or 2.6.15 ?) |
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| 13:23.41 | jm_ | there's Sarge installer with 2.6.15 |
| 13:23.52 | rohan | jes-o-mat: try the weekly / daily installer cd. but they did not work for me. |
| 13:23.57 | XTF | jm_: I know, but that's the diff between the new version and my version. If lots of things have changed in the original, that diff is a mess. |
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| 13:24.08 | ma3x | hi |
| 13:24.14 | XTF | jm: And it's hard to spot your own changes between the tons of maintainer changes. |
| 13:24.16 | jes-o-mat | rohan: I did, but also 2.6.8 :/ |
| 13:24.22 | jes-o-mat | jm_: where to find? |
| 13:24.25 | ptl | hello, do any of you know an utility in debian similar to redhat's sysreport system-configuration-wide collector? |
| 13:24.28 | rohan | jes-o-mat: ah, ok. |
| 13:24.31 | ma3x | I have this .avi file which interrupts at the middle when I watch it. How do I repair it or how do I find out if it's really corrupted? |
| 13:24.39 | jm_ | XTF: which is exactly the difference between the original config file and current one ... |
| 13:24.44 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 13:24.55 | XTF | jm_: No, it's not. |
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| 13:25.03 | jm_ | XTF: if you say so |
| 13:25.22 | XTF | jm_: It's the diff between the new original one and the current one, while I want the diff between the old original one and the current one. |
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| 13:25.58 | jm_ | XTF: no, it's not - it's the difference between the file in the version being installed and the current one, no-one ever mentioned any new ones, that's your imagination |
| 13:26.10 | h4mster | hey there |
| 13:26.24 | goron | Why do I always write programs that eat up CPU and memory? |
| 13:26.26 | XTF | jm_ the version being installed is the new original one, isn't it? |
| 13:26.44 | jm_ | XTF: no, it's the version you choose to install |
| 13:26.49 | goron | wrong channel |
| 13:26.50 | ptl | no one knows a sysreport-like script/utility for debian-based distributions? |
| 13:27.07 | valdyn | ptl: maybe no one here knows this redhat tool |
| 13:27.12 | XTF | jm_: Yes, true. I guess instead of original I should say fresh or maintainer provided. |
| 13:27.33 | xoz | ptl: apt-cache search report |
| 13:27.36 | XTF | jm_: However, that's not the version I want. I want the fresh version of the version currently installed. |
| 13:27.47 | ptl | valdyn: it's simple, it runs a bunch of commands for gathering system information - installed packages, physical configuration, logical configuration (/etc/sysconfig and such in redhat systems) and so on |
| 13:27.52 | jm_ | XTF: so reinstall the current version - I thought you'd get it by now |
| 13:27.52 | rohan | jes-o-mat: errr.. dont use that one. use this./ http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.15/sarge-custom-0206.iso |
| 13:28.12 | ptl | xoz: good suggestion, lemme try it |
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| 13:29.07 | XTF | jm_: That'd be an option, but isn't that a lot of work just to find out the differences? |
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| 13:29.31 | h4mster | can one tell me how I can run MAKEDEV before the actual bootup (for upgrade to kernel 2.6) |
| 13:29.33 | h4mster | ? |
| 13:29.45 | jm_ | XTF: that or peeking into the deb is your only way, unless you keep config files in some source of versioning system |
| 13:29.47 | fantomas | Hi. How to 'renice' non-running processes? :) I mean is there a kind of priority manager on Debian? The problem is that some user processes eat 100% of CPU freezing system which I greatly dislike |
| 13:29.48 | azeem | h4mster: ? |
| 13:29.53 | jm_ | sort even |
| 13:30.11 | XTF | jm_: I'm wondering why there's no easier way. |
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| 13:30.18 | valdyn | fantomas: which program? eating 100% cpu time does not usually freeze a system |
| 13:30.29 | jm_ | non-running processes can't affect anything |
| 13:31.13 | h4mster | azeem: I want to update from 2.4 kernel to 2.6; and i get that "can't find /dev/console" error |
| 13:31.38 | azeem | h4mster: that usually means your initrd is borked I think |
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| 13:31.47 | azeem | but not sure |
| 13:31.51 | valdyn | fantomas: man nice, maybe read a unix basics book |
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| 13:32.05 | jm_ | or it failed to detect your hardware, or change from 2.4 to 2.6 means something has changed (device name?) |
| 13:32.08 | xoz | ptl: or apt-cache search audit |
| 13:32.10 | _joey | someone was helping me to enable usb 2.0 the other day :) |
| 13:32.34 | h4mster | I was told about this yesterday: http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20051026115239.GZ2249@leitl.org.html |
| 13:32.58 | azeem | h4mster: that looks offtopic |
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| 13:33.06 | _joey | I have pci usb 2.0 card and connected external hdd. However, running hdparm test shows it only tranfers qt 10Mb/sec |
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| 13:33.33 | fantomas | valdyn: Two example: 1) Opera. When opening wikipedia.org it freezes so that UI lost interactivity at all, switching windows can take minutes, page never opens. 2) Inkscape. Opening a file with many figures slowdown things too. |
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| 13:34.26 | h4mster | what to do, then? :-/ |
| 13:35.06 | fantomas | valdyn: Opera's problem in its perverted nature of searching fonts which I can't fix.. So I'd like to make it run slower everytime to be able to kill it easily |
| 13:35.18 | _joey | can someone help me to enable usb2 please |
| 13:35.46 | jm_ | you already have it at USB 2.0 speed if it's 10MB/s |
| 13:35.46 | azeem | _joey: 10MB/s looks faster than usb1.x |
| 13:36.07 | _joey | I am aware of it |
| 13:36.14 | _joey | but I have usb2 controller |
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| 13:36.25 | azeem | _joey: I don't get your point |
| 13:36.35 | _joey | oops |
| 13:37.03 | _joey | but it's nowhere near 48Mb/sec |
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| 13:37.32 | azeem | _joey: maybe your harddisk is slower than 48MB/s? |
| 13:37.38 | azeem | and then you get the USB overhead |
| 13:37.39 | _joey | no way |
| 13:37.41 | xoz | _joey: usb2 != firewire |
| 13:37.56 | _joey | it's new 7200 rpm seagate |
| 13:38.00 | _joey | usb2 is faster |
| 13:38.21 | jm_ | it's 480Mbps, and if it's vfat don't count it on being too fast because it's rather slow when writing vfat in Linux, reading is fast |
| 13:38.26 | azeem | _joey: is DMA activated? (does it make sense to activate it?) |
| 13:38.30 | _joey | 75% for overhead ? |
| 13:38.41 | _joey | dma on usb drive ? |
| 13:38.59 | azeem | _joey: whatever, I don't think we can help you much with this |
| 13:39.05 | _joey | who we ? |
| 13:39.08 | _joey | you can't :) |
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| 13:41.19 | xoz | _joey: are you usng ehci-hcd ? |
| 13:41.38 | ptl | hmm... installation-report does a moderately good job of getting the hardware/physical information, but does not provide logical information |
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| 13:42.04 | _joey | xoz yes |
| 13:42.37 | xoz | _joey: does dmesg mentions usb2? did the kernel detect it? |
| 13:43.48 | _joey | detected and loaded |
| 13:44.04 | _joey | 10Mb/sec transfer is only possible on usb2, not on usb1. |
| 13:44.14 | _joey | you are going in the wrong direction |
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| 13:45.00 | colk | does anyone know how a file system would remount itself readonly without rebooting |
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| 13:45.10 | diego | ping |
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| 13:45.17 | diego | hi |
| 13:45.18 | markos_64 | pong |
| 13:45.19 | jm_ | colk: yes |
| 13:45.29 | diego | hi there, can someone help me with sthing on debian |
| 13:45.35 | colk | how then? |
| 13:45.37 | markos_64 | hm... how's called package with ld and as infofiles? |
| 13:45.40 | Ronin | diego: best just to tell us the problem |
| 13:45.43 | jm_ | take a look at mouint options |
| 13:45.44 | diego | I want to be able to type acutes using alt + ### |
| 13:45.47 | diego | like in windows |
| 13:46.02 | diego | alt + 160 would be 'a |
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| 13:46.36 | diego | I am root , so I can change anything ... |
| 13:46.48 | diego | is there any way to do that |
| 13:46.52 | h4mster | !tell diego about root |
| 13:47.05 | jetscreamer | he's not root on irc atm |
| 13:47.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.39 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 13:47.40 | colk | oh heck |
| 13:47.48 | colk | i guess its not a good idea to do it remotly |
| 13:47.51 | colk | :( |
| 13:48.09 | jm_ | do what? |
| 13:48.14 | colk | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 13:48.16 | diego | hehe , its stupid to run irc as root |
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| 13:48.41 | jm_ | no, that's never a good idea if it went from rw->ro |
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| 13:48.56 | diego | just tell me how to enable alt + ### |
| 13:48.57 | diego | :P |
| 13:49.12 | Teklap | Just how easy is it to setup software RAID with debian? |
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| 13:49.21 | Teklap | And can I RAID it now after the install is done? |
| 13:49.22 | colk | ok i guess Im going to have to request a reboot |
| 13:50.07 | fireba11 | !tell Teklap about software raid |
| 13:50.13 | diego | quit |
| 13:50.51 | markos_64 | ‰jjjk |
| 13:50.56 | markos_64 | oops |
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| 13:53.35 | jetscreamer | !packet shaping |
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| 13:55.20 | fantomas | Is it possible somehow to reduce priority of XFree86 using xdm? |
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| 13:56.30 | colk | does anyone know why a filesystem would just up and change itself to readonly with no user interaction or reboot |
| 13:56.41 | ateoh211 | why during a bootstrap install of debian sarge would /usr/sbin/base-config new only result in the command briefly running and then outputing 'Terminated'? |
| 13:57.07 | jm_ | colk: did you take a look at mount options like I told you? |
| 13:57.19 | colk | Jm_ i did |
| 13:57.22 | jm_ | colk: and? |
| 13:57.33 | colk | but its not telling me WHY it did it by itself |
| 13:57.38 | colk | with no user interaction |
| 13:57.43 | jm_ | because there was an error |
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| 13:58.37 | colk | well i guess ill have to wait for the reboot |
| 13:58.49 | fireba11 | colk and hope your HD is alright |
| 13:59.02 | colk | yes well its not my hard drive |
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| 13:59.06 | jm_ | or get backups ready for restore ;) |
| 13:59.07 | colk | its a dedicated server |
| 13:59.14 | colk | backups hmmm |
| 13:59.19 | colk | what are those |
| 13:59.20 | colk | :P |
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| 13:59.43 | ateoh211 | so base-config is not working for me, how can I set things like 'use shadow password' and all the other options base-config walks you through? |
| 13:59.57 | colk | hmm serverpronto has had issues like mine |
| 14:00.06 | azeem | ateoh211: dpkg-reconfigure passwd, maybe |
| 14:00.07 | colk | it seems to be the via chipset they use |
| 14:00.13 | azeem | ateoh211: or "shadowconfig on" |
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| 14:01.58 | jetscreamer | !listkeys ascii |
| 14:01.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ascii' by key (5): aasciii ;; ascii penguin ;; ascii ;; ascii porn ;; ascii art. |
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| 14:03.15 | ptl | ascii penguin |
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| 14:03.40 | vin` | ptl: /msg dpkg ascii penguin |
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| 14:04.08 | ptl | vin`: thanks. |
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| 14:06.46 | ptl | is there any program for debian that captures all the logical data for future audit (e.g. /etc/sysconfig, /etc/network, /etc/ethers, /etc/modules.conf, dpkg -l and such)? |
| 14:07.48 | jm_ | ptl: tar? :P |
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| 14:08.31 | Teklap | Ok so I'm following this guide you sent me fireba11 |
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| 14:08.58 | ptl | jm_: tar joins all of them in a file. But what gathers all this information and sends to tar? RedHat has a handy utility called sysreport that does that - however, it is suited to redhat-based distributions, and is not of much use in debian. I am looking for an alternative for debian. |
| 14:09.21 | Teklap | It goes on to say is your kernel support RAID you should have a file callt /proc/mdstat |
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| 14:09.31 | jm_ | ptl: never heard of anything like that |
| 14:09.37 | Teklap | And if you don't have the file.. what do I need to do to get support? |
| 14:09.40 | ptl | jm_: =( |
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| 14:10.08 | ptl | Teklap: recompile the kernel or load the kernel module that makes this system information file appear |
| 14:10.11 | Teklap | So anyway... I go on and install the tool they tell me to install.. and all a sudden /proc/mdstat is there |
| 14:10.29 | Teklap | YEah I know ptl: Only the guide doesn't say whe I need in the kernel for this file |
| 14:10.33 | ptl | probably this tool loads the kernelo module |
| 14:10.38 | ptl | oh |
| 14:10.39 | fireba11 | Teklap: or just use a newer kernel |
| 14:10.41 | ptl | I see, sorry |
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| 14:10.56 | fireba11 | Teklap: 2.6.8 will do |
| 14:10.59 | ptl | Is this utility a shell script? If it is, you can always look into it |
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| 14:11.37 | Teklap | I don't use debian a while lot.. is it ok to get the sources and compile on my own or should I run some apt-get command? |
| 14:11.51 | fireba11 | Teklap: just use apt-get |
| 14:11.57 | Teklap | ok |
| 14:11.59 | Teklap | Another question |
| 14:12.12 | Teklap | After installing the mdadm package there in the guide.. I got /proc/mdstat now |
| 14:12.15 | ptl | I prefer aptitude =D |
| 14:12.29 | Teklap | So.. it looks like it was pkg dependant.. not kernel dependant.. ?:/ |
| 14:12.33 | Coke | Hey all. I'm looking to buy new HW, just wanted to check what the elite community (yeah, that would be you guys) thinks about PCI-E GeForce 7800 cards, would it work nicely with Debian testing/unstable? |
| 14:12.34 | fireba11 | Teklap: what kernel do you ahve right now ? |
| 14:12.39 | colk | jm_ you were right |
| 14:12.43 | Teklap | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 14:12.50 | jm_ | Coke: sure with nvidia drivers |
| 14:12.51 | colk | their was 100s of ext3 fs error |
| 14:12.53 | colk | s |
| 14:12.59 | colk | all fixed now:P |
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| 14:13.02 | zinx | Coke: works great for me |
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| 14:13.18 | zinx | Coke: i'm using unstable, though. |
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| 14:13.40 | fireba11 | Teklap you can't sue the feature without a admin tool ... but i suggest upgrading to 2.6.8-2-yourcputype anyway .. |
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| 14:14.05 | ptl | If you plan to sue the feature, hire a competent lawyer also |
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| 14:14.24 | Coke | zinx: sounds good! |
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| 14:14.53 | Quinn_Storm | quick question, does anyone know of a window manager I can use to make all windows it manages "always on-top"? I want to use it on the underlaying screen of an xdmx setup so I can use xinerama for normal windows, but still use my single-headed DRI |
| 14:14.55 | zinx | ptl: i have a suspicion that a competent lawyer wouldn't take that case on |
| 14:15.04 | Coke | jm_ & zinx: I'm building my first gaming machine. The only thing I'm a tad worried about is the USB mouse support when it comes to the high-resolution lasers and extra many buttons. |
| 14:15.25 | zinx | Coke: extra buttons are supported |
| 14:15.27 | jm_ | Coke: I have 800dpi mouse, works without any problems |
| 14:15.30 | ptl | zinx: why not? Aren't features forbidden under the DMCA? |
| 14:15.49 | zinx | Coke: as for the high-res, if it's a hardware switch it should be fine, but if it's software you may not be able to switch it to high-res mode |
| 14:15.51 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: all windows can't be on top unless they never overlap |
| 14:16.04 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: I mean the "always on top" flag |
| 14:16.08 | Coke | jm_ & zinx what mouse? |
| 14:16.13 | colk | btw is their an issue with via chipsets in kernels earlier than 2.6.13 |
| 14:16.14 | zinx | Coke: until someone writes an app to do it, anyway -- there's one for older logitechs at least, called logitech_applet or such |
| 14:16.16 | colk | btw is their an issue with via chipsets in kernels earlier than 2.6.14 |
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| 14:16.38 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: IceWM might allow you to configure a default flag. |
| 14:16.53 | Quinn_Storm | Coke: I think a wm called jwm is gonna let me do it through the "layer" option |
| 14:16.54 | Coke | zinx: I've checked out lomoco. |
| 14:16.59 | Coke | zinx: it's a logitech control software. |
| 14:17.03 | quitte | how can i crosscompile a kernel deb with make-kpkg? |
| 14:17.09 | fireba11 | can someone tell me how to use variables with dpkg ? |
| 14:17.10 | Coke | Quinn_Storm: yep, it's the same as with IceWM. |
| 14:17.12 | tarzeau | quitte: on what arch for what arch? |
| 14:17.22 | zinx | Coke: all the buttons should work on any mouse.. you'll probably need to fiddle with what X thinks the buttons are, but that's about it |
| 14:17.23 | tarzeau | fireba11: more details please |
| 14:17.23 | quitte | tarzeau: on i386 for sh3 |
| 14:17.36 | jm_ | Coke: nothing fancy for me, speedlink one |
| 14:17.41 | Coke | zinx: so the HID is always through X these days? |
| 14:17.44 | quitte | tarzeau: CROSS_COMPILE=sh3-linux- is set |
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| 14:17.51 | jm_ | colk: which VIA chipset? |
| 14:17.54 | tarzeau | how can i install debian on a power4 ibm computer? |
| 14:18.04 | quitte | tarzeau: and the croxx compiler produces working kernel |
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| 14:18.06 | tarzeau | quitte: i have no idea |
| 14:18.08 | fireba11 | tarzeau get the bot to reply "something name something" if i say "test name" |
| 14:18.11 | zinx | Coke: through the kernel, actually |
| 14:18.20 | Coke | jm_: I'm thinking of buying a Logitech MX514 (gaming mouse) or the Razer Viper, it is highly apraised in the gaming world. |
| 14:18.25 | tarzeau | fireba11: why don't you? |
| 14:18.32 | jm_ | Coke: yeah, those are very nice :) |
| 14:18.33 | tarzeau | fireba11: i'm too lazy to look up how to.. |
| 14:18.37 | colk | VT8237 |
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| 14:18.48 | jm_ | VT8237 is rock solid for me |
| 14:18.49 | fireba11 | tarzeau: or do you knwo where it's written down ? :-) |
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| 14:18.56 | Gnea | wow, kino doesn't even have an irc channel |
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| 14:19.11 | azeem | so it doesn't exist |
| 14:19.26 | colk | what kernel are you running? |
| 14:19.39 | Coke | zinx: sure, the HID support is activated in the kernel, but in either case the games don't seem to support the extra buttons. At least that's true for ut2004. |
| 14:19.40 | azeem | 4Linux uranus 2.4.20-4GB #1 Mon Mar 17 17:54:44 UTC 2003 i586 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 14:19.40 | tarzeau | fireba11: nop, dpkg knows how |
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| 14:20.19 | colk | i was talking to jm_ |
| 14:20.27 | azeem | colk: then address him :P |
| 14:20.36 | zinx | Coke: i suspect they were not configured correctly |
| 14:20.37 | colk | jm_ what kernel are you running |
| 14:20.50 | colk | lol their is 823 people in here |
| 14:20.50 | Coke | zinx: it was years since I cared about hw, what type of memory is it I want for fast performance? ddr something? |
| 14:20.51 | zinx | Coke: X assumes something like 5 buttons |
| 14:21.12 | Teklap | Sorry guys.. .half afk |
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| 14:21.16 | Teklap | I'll try the kernel upgrade |
| 14:21.17 | Teklap | Thanks |
| 14:21.17 | Teklap | out |
| 14:21.22 | Coke | zinx: yes, DOH! can't have 3 buttons configured in X, pressumably. |
| 14:21.25 | zinx | Coke: yeah, DDR |
| 14:21.33 | jm_ | Coke: http://www.gc-plus.de/img/large/sl-6181_1.jpg |
| 14:21.34 | zinx | Coke: DDR2 claims to be faster, but isn't, apparently |
| 14:21.44 | zinx | Coke: but i don't think it's slower either |
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| 14:21.59 | jm_ | colk: all sorts of versions, 2.4.x, 2.6.12 currently, but I'll upgrade to .15 or .16 one day |
| 14:22.10 | colk | ah |
| 14:22.16 | colk | i need to update big time then |
| 14:22.25 | colk | the servers still running 2.6.8 |
| 14:22.26 | colk | :P |
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| 14:22.29 | rohan | hi all |
| 14:22.34 | rohan | while on kopete -- |
| 14:22.37 | rohan | #F7FAFF |
| 14:22.40 | rohan | SSL support could not be initialized for account rohandhruva@gmail.com. This is most likely because the QCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system. |
| 14:22.46 | rohan | what package do i install ? |
| 14:23.01 | zinx | Coke: AMD boards currently support DDR, w/ a max of DDR 400 i think (there's higher that will work, but it's for overclocking) |
| 14:23.04 | Coke | zinx: aha. and AMD CPU's. it seems the FX series costs a lot more, but I pressume the X2 series is quite sufficient. |
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| 14:23.15 | Gnea | rohan: is there a ssl version of kopete? |
| 14:23.35 | XTF | In which man is /etc/apt/preferences documented? |
| 14:23.38 | zinx | Coke: for current games, yeah |
| 14:23.42 | jm_ | XTF: apt_preferences |
| 14:23.51 | rohan | Gnea: how do i check ? |
| 14:24.00 | Gnea | rohan: apt-cache search kopete |
| 14:24.01 | zinx | Coke: i've got a X2 4400+ and a 7800GTX, and q4 gets capped by the engine at 60fps, pretty much everywhere |
| 14:24.13 | jm_ | damn what a nice machine |
| 14:24.16 | rohan | no, Gnea |
| 14:24.22 | zinx | jm_: no kidding, i love it :) |
| 14:24.28 | goron | Shoef! |
| 14:24.40 | Gnea | rohan: then you probably need to grab the source and compile a new .deb that supports it |
| 14:24.46 | rohan | aw, damn. |
| 14:24.53 | rohan | suckahhh :( |
| 14:24.56 | Gnea | !source |
| 14:24.57 | dpkg | from memory, source is To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space and run the following: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot && apt-get source <packagename> && apt-get build-dep <packagename>. Then cd into source directory and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build debs from source. |
| 14:25.01 | jm_ | zinx: heh I hope to be able to get Athlon64 3700 and maybe 7800GS if it's cheap and available as PCI-E, otherwise 7600 when it comes out |
| 14:25.04 | Gnea | it's not too difficult |
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| 14:25.15 | rohan | Gnea: yes, but it is slow on my piii 500mhz |
| 14:25.19 | Coke | zinx: ah, thanks a lot for the info. looking into it now. |
| 14:25.34 | zinx | jm_: i wouldn't doubt that getting capped by the engine everywhere too, though you may have to turn off FSAA :D |
| 14:25.45 | colk | hmm nm it dosent seem to be the same issue I had |
| 14:25.52 | Gnea | rohan: you don't know what slow is. |
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| 14:25.55 | colk | filesystem just corrupted on mine:P |
| 14:25.55 | jm_ | zinx: yeah it makes a big difference in higher resolutions |
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| 14:26.17 | nmee | Can't I apt-get install glib? Or in what package can I get glib? |
| 14:26.21 | colk | Ghea is slow compling kde on a cyrix 300mhz? |
| 14:26.26 | ircdevil | buuuhuuuu - several hours of time spend on getting this friggin wlan working :o( |
| 14:26.33 | colk | 4 days |
| 14:26.43 | Gnea | nmee: apt-cache search glib |
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| 14:26.51 | ircdevil | and i forgot to fix the firewall - BUHUUUUHUHUHUHU |
| 14:26.56 | Shadowcat | ircdevil: hahahah you suck |
| 14:27.11 | Shadowcat | nmee: apt-cache search glib | less |
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| 14:27.17 | rohan | Gnea: remoing me ? |
| 14:27.18 | Gnea | who the hell compiles all of kde? |
| 14:27.20 | rohan | *remind |
| 14:27.25 | tintamar | hy all |
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| 14:27.35 | Gnea | rohan: you've never ran a 486? |
| 14:27.36 | rohan | who the hell *compiles* kde on debian :P |
| 14:27.39 | rohan | Gnea: no. |
| 14:27.43 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:27.44 | Shadowcat | Gnea: I do once in a while, but that was for gentoo |
| 14:27.50 | Shadowcat | was = is |
| 14:28.02 | Gnea | rohan: then don't complain - just do it |
| 14:28.04 | rohan | Gnea: atleast never linux on it. |
| 14:28.24 | Shadowcat | heh what's rohan trying to do? |
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| 14:28.31 | Shadowcat | Gnea: damned oldie :P |
| 14:28.33 | Gnea | i would hit enter then go to work |
| 14:28.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:28.41 | rohan | Shadowcat: rebuilding kopete with ssl, so that i can logon to google talk |
| 14:28.52 | Shadowcat | Gnea: and then come back to a make error >:) |
| 14:28.56 | Gnea | and hope that it wouldn't error out by the time i got home |
| 14:29.02 | Gnea | Shadowcat: heheheh |
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| 14:29.26 | Gnea | it wasn't too bad, i averaged about 1 error per week |
| 14:29.28 | Shadowcat | rohan: knock yourself out, I doubt you can pull it off though |
| 14:29.37 | Shadowcat | Gnea: and what, 0.1 kernels per week? :P |
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| 14:29.45 | rohan | Shadowcat: ofcourse i can do it, but it will be slow. |
| 14:29.59 | Gnea | Shadowcat: realistically it only took 45 minutes to compile the bzimage and the modules |
| 14:30.01 | ootput | hey guys, is there a gui-frontend to gnupg key management? |
| 14:30.12 | Shadowcat | rohan: no, because to pass different configure flags you need to open up the debian source file and edit the control files |
| 14:30.18 | jm_ | ootput: yes |
| 14:30.25 | Shadowcat | rohan: that is, unless you want to install all of kde from source |
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| 14:30.34 | Gnea | Shadowcat: if i was really on a roll i'd do 10-15 kernels per week |
| 14:30.35 | colk | ghea someone who doesnt have a package for their os |
| 14:30.45 | colk | gnea rather |
| 14:30.46 | Gnea | who's ghea? |
| 14:30.49 | Shadowcat | Gnea: I can compile one kernel in about 20 min |
| 14:30.52 | rohan | Shadowcat: really ?! damn, forget it then |
| 14:30.59 | ootput | jm_: great! |
| 14:31.05 | Gnea | Shadowcat: these days i can do it in under 10 min |
| 14:31.12 | Shadowcat | debian source package I mean |
| 14:31.16 | Gnea | yes. |
| 14:31.21 | Shadowcat | rohan: but you get the point |
| 14:31.23 | colk | btw does a debian kernel store its config file somewhere |
| 14:31.28 | azeem | colk: yes |
| 14:31.30 | azeem | in /boot |
| 14:31.32 | nmee | Gnea & Shadowcat: great, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:31.33 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.34 | azeem | or so |
| 14:31.38 | rohan | Shadowcat: yes. :( |
| 14:31.47 | colk | ok |
| 14:32.03 | Gnea | rohan: you probably need to edit the rules and control files |
| 14:32.12 | rohan | ah .. |
| 14:32.19 | rohan | bad bad :( |
| 14:32.20 | colk | guess I should get kernel-package as well |
| 14:32.20 | Gnea | it's all in the debian/ dir |
| 14:32.21 | colk | :) |
| 14:32.21 | Shadowcat | Gnea: I doubt he knows what those files are named |
| 14:32.25 | Shadowcat | or their syntax |
| 14:32.38 | Gnea | Shadowcat: one learns by doing... :) |
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| 14:32.49 | Shadowcat | Gnea: well he's gonna be busy for the rest of the week |
| 14:32.56 | Gnea | Shadowcat: good ;) |
| 14:32.58 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 14:33.02 | rohan | Shadowcat: i do know them |
| 14:33.05 | rohan | i am not a debian-n00b |
| 14:33.06 | rohan | :P |
| 14:33.09 | Shadowcat | Gnea: well ya good point, that way we'll get rid of him |
| 14:33.15 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 14:33.20 | diego | hello |
| 14:33.29 | Gnea | Shadowcat: have you ever used kino? |
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| 14:33.45 | markos_64 | how do i enable syntax highlighting in vim? |
| 14:33.47 | dplusplus | hi there |
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| 14:33.55 | jm_ | markos_64: read vim docs |
| 14:33.56 | Gnea | :syntax enable |
| 14:33.59 | dplusplus | can someone enable alt + ### like windows in linux |
| 14:34.05 | blakkino | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rm5Qyg25.html |
| 14:34.07 | blakkino | any idea? |
| 14:34.08 | davidw | hey dudes... looking for something to check and make sure poorly written daemons haven't crashed, and if they have, restart them |
| 14:34.10 | markos_64 | oh... thanks |
| 14:34.13 | Gnea | dplusplus: irssi |
| 14:34.14 | Keao | Hello. |
| 14:34.22 | dplusplus | in gnome and console |
| 14:34.36 | ootput | wow, gpa was just what i was looking for (not too many dependencies) |
| 14:34.41 | jm_ | davidw: init is the most basic tool offering the capability |
| 14:35.06 | dplusplus | Gnea: irssi ? thats an irc client |
| 14:35.16 | Gnea | dplusplus: yes, you're talking about irc, right? |
| 14:35.28 | Shadowcat | Gnea: kino? |
| 14:35.36 | Gnea | Shadowcat: kino. |
| 14:35.37 | davidw | jm_, sure. Other things? |
| 14:35.45 | jm_ | davidw: apt-cache search restart |
| 14:35.55 | nvz | bah I upgraded an extension in firefox and now my browser wont work properly. the extension is for a newer version of firefox than sarge has apperently.. the old version of the extension worked. anyhow does anyone know what I need to remove to get rid of that? or what I need to copy to get my damn bookmarks and history, and perhaps settings back now that I've moved my config dir |
| 14:36.02 | dplusplus | in windows I hold alt key ... type 97 and the letter 'a' appears |
| 14:36.09 | dplusplus | cause 97 is ascii for 'a' |
| 14:36.14 | dplusplus | I want that on linux |
| 14:36.21 | dplusplus | alt + ### |
| 14:36.24 | Shadowcat | Gnea: I have no idea what that is |
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| 14:37.09 | Gnea | dplusplus: you could probably do it with xmodmap and ascii, though i'm not entirely sure how |
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| 14:37.16 | jm_ | nvz: bookmarks are in bookmarks.html, history is in history.dat AFAIK, you can also try messing with rdf files in extensions dir |
| 14:37.32 | Gnea | Shadowcat: it's a video editting app |
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| 14:37.56 | Shadowcat | Gnea: oh nope never used it |
| 14:38.04 | dplusplus | oh, thx |
| 14:38.26 | nvz | jm_: none of that stuff exists that I can see |
| 14:38.37 | jm_ | nvz: where are you looking? |
| 14:39.03 | nvz | jm_: it was ~/.mozilla |
| 14:39.13 | nvz | jm_: I've since renamed it ~/.mozbak |
| 14:39.14 | davidw | jm_, cool, that found a few - thanks |
| 14:39.17 | jm_ | nvz: ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default for me |
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| 14:39.30 | nvz | jm_: ah |
| 14:39.52 | jm_ | I think some people also have that in ~/.firefox |
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| 14:39.56 | nvz | fucking LS colors!! |
| 14:40.00 | cmarmol | klk |
| 14:40.41 | fluxdude | can anyone tell me why I get this error when trying to sudo using a domain account? |
| 14:40.42 | nvz | AHH! I fucking hate ls colors |
| 14:40.43 | fluxdude | sudo: pam_authenticate: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
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| 14:41.22 | Gnea | nvz: ls colors owns you! |
| 14:41.43 | nvz | fuck those colors.. I am taking that out of my settings |
| 14:41.54 | nvz | having to type --color=never is just annoying |
| 14:41.56 | jm_ | you could always modify them ;) |
| 14:42.12 | Gnea | nvz: what's wrong with the colors? you trying to compile a list? |
| 14:42.15 | nvz | or I could always say fuck em :P |
| 14:42.27 | nvz | I cant see em I got a psuedo transparent terminal |
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| 14:42.48 | Gnea | then your terminal sucks :P |
| 14:43.03 | nvz | I like my terminal. I just want all white text |
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| 14:44.33 | Shadowcat | now try typing |
| 14:44.41 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 14:44.51 | fireba11 | Shadowcat: now you'll get sued by the austrians for copying their war flag .. white eagle on white ground |
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| 14:45.13 | Shadowcat | whatever |
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| 14:45.55 | fireba11 | !smite Shadowcat |
| 14:46.00 | Shadowcat | !beat fireba11 |
| 14:46.06 | ft | nvz: you probably have an alias for ls set up, because ls doesn't do colorizing by default |
| 14:46.10 | fireba11 | !abuse Shadowcat |
| 14:46.11 | nvz | I need to just find a firefox 1.5 deb for sarge.. then I wont have to worry about it.. as it seems all the new plugins are for 1.5 |
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| 14:46.17 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 14:46.18 | Shadowcat | fine |
| 14:46.24 | azeem | fireba11, Shadowcat: please take the flogging to private |
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| 14:46.43 | nvz | ft: yeah its in the user's settings by default.. its annoying cause I dont want to have to close all my terminals right now ore restart them |
| 14:46.54 | delire | anyone know of a means to convert an *.mdf to an ISO image? |
| 14:47.01 | ft | nvz: unalias |
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| 14:47.12 | hett | hello, i'm running debian testing (i have the same problem in unstable though) my crontab doesn't seem to work right, i edit root's crontab via crontab -e, add a line like that "1/* * * * * echo something >> /tmp/test.log" then /etc/init.d/cron restart but nothing is appended to /tmp/test.log |
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| 14:47.25 | hett | erm |
| 14:47.31 | hett | */1 * * * * i mean |
| 14:47.48 | jm_ | hett: 1. you don't have to restart cron, 2. make sure there's a newline at the end of it |
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| 14:48.56 | chell | Do I really need to download all those 14(?) CDs/2DVDs to just get a debian installation with gnome/kde ready ? |
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| 14:49.08 | chell | Do I really need to download all those 14(?) CDs/2DVDs to just get a debian installation with gnome/kde ready ? |
| 14:49.08 | fireba11 | chell: just grab the netinstall |
| 14:49.12 | chell | okay |
| 14:49.17 | chell | sorry for double asking |
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| 14:49.30 | ft | delire: you know <http://www.filext.com/>? |
| 14:49.34 | chell | My IRC client is not quite what it is supposed to be |
| 14:49.34 | hett | your were right about that new line :( |
| 14:49.51 | chell | Is there a guide for the net install available? |
| 14:49.53 | Ronin | chell: no youdont need all of them |
| 14:50.01 | delire | ft: no i don't. checking now.. |
| 14:50.02 | vin` | !ig |
| 14:50.02 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 14:50.16 | hett | thanks jm_ |
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| 14:50.32 | delire | ft: i normally just use file or other mime utils.. this is good. thanks. |
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| 14:52.22 | Teklap | Can someone tell me the apt-get pkg name to get the latest kernel? |
| 14:52.37 | streuner | Teklap: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 14:55.24 | bibe | Teklap : using sarge, etch or sid? |
| 14:56.01 | streuner | bibe: if you using one of these 3, he is able to answer my question, right? |
| 14:56.02 | indego | Is there a stock debian kernel that has HIGHMEM enabled? So far as I can see this is not the case. |
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| 14:56.19 | nomopofomo | am i correct in thinking that expat 2.0.0 won't work with the current release of xorg? |
| 14:56.44 | bibe | streuner : sure |
| 14:57.09 | streuner | knusper:/boot# grep -i highmem config-2.6.9-1-k7, CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 14:57.21 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.9-1-k7 (dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2)) #1 Thu Nov 25 03:20:07 EST 2004 |
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| 14:57.51 | fantomas | I removed paths to TrueType fonts from my FontPath but applications still list those fonts in their Font selection dialogs. Why?? |
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| 14:57.57 | streuner | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
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| 14:58.26 | indego | streuner: is that a stock kernel or self build? |
| 14:58.58 | streuner | indego: who would use 'dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net'? |
| 14:59.02 | JohnGH | is there a kernel module I should need to load to be able to mount a DVD on my Toshiba laptop? |
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| 14:59.22 | Teklap | bibe: : sarge |
| 14:59.24 | JohnGH | or a device I need to make? |
| 14:59.26 | Teklap | Sorry for the long delay |
| 14:59.29 | SerajewelKS | JohnGH: does it see the drive at all? |
| 14:59.34 | fantomas | What FontPath is for? What parts of system uses it? |
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| 14:59.36 | streuner | indego: knusper:/boot# grep -i highmem config-2.6.15-1-k7, CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 14:59.37 | RogueDopple | these questions are getting better |
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| 14:59.53 | SerajewelKS | JohnGH: e.g. /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd |
| 14:59.56 | indego | streuner: OK, but I see no 2.6.9 kernels in the debian package tree. |
| 15:00.16 | RogueDopple | indego: it might be in george washington's cherry tree |
| 15:00.18 | streuner | indego: of course not, that kernel is almost 1 year old ;-) |
| 15:00.22 | prog | JohnGD: no, there is no need any special driver (ide-cdrom and similar should be enough) |
| 15:00.40 | prog | JohnGH: no, there is no need any special driver (ide-cdrom and similar should be enough) |
| 15:00.46 | prog | my bad :-) |
| 15:00.48 | streuner | indego: sorry, more than 1 year... |
| 15:00.57 | indego | streuner: is that in stable |
| 15:00.57 | JohnGH | SerajewelKS: that's what I expected, but I get: mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
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| 15:01.09 | streuner | indego: nah, it was from unstable |
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| 15:01.41 | indego | OK, I only see kernels up to 2.6.8 in stable and none are HIGHMEM |
| 15:01.49 | baci | Hey all, i just installed Debian, now cant get my screen resolution to change from 800x600 to something else.... |
| 15:01.52 | streuner | indego: anyway, 2.6.15 is from unstable too, the same config for HIGHMEM |
| 15:01.54 | baci | any ideas? =( |
| 15:02.17 | Teklap | Can someone tell me the apt-get pkg to grab for the latest kernel with debian sarge |
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| 15:02.22 | vin` | !drxx |
| 15:02.22 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:02.31 | vin` | baci: tried that ^^ |
| 15:02.31 | SerajewelKS | JohnGH: what does `dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/null count=1` say |
| 15:02.40 | streuner | Teklap: look at /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:02.41 | baci | yeah both |
| 15:02.54 | streuner | Teklap: if you want a newer kernel just use from backports.org |
| 15:02.55 | baci | my Xorg conf file only contains the reolution 1280x1024 lol |
| 15:02.59 | baci | but im stuck on 800x600 |
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| 15:03.20 | indego | streuner: Humm, I will look in testing and see if anything is coming in over the next while. |
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| 15:03.25 | vin` | baci: you may need the right modelines. |
| 15:03.38 | baci | ?? |
| 15:03.39 | baci | lol |
| 15:03.44 | baci | sorry bit of a n00b.. |
| 15:04.01 | baci | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.02 | baci | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.02 | baci | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.08 | streuner | !drxx baci |
| 15:04.08 | dpkg | baci: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 15:04.29 | baci | brb ill try xf86config |
| 15:04.36 | vin` | baci: don't |
| 15:04.39 | baci | ah ok |
| 15:04.51 | delire | fantomas: are you using defoma? try defoma-font -v register truetype /path/to/a/font.ttf --FontName Fontyfont --Weight Medium .... etc |
| 15:04.56 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:04.57 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:05.01 | baci | What's !drxx mean? |
| 15:05.32 | JohnGH | SerajewelKS: dd: opening `/dev/hdc': No such device or address |
| 15:05.34 | vin` | baci: dude, read. |
| 15:05.36 | delire | how does one answer this without forgetting one's name. |
| 15:06.03 | baci | im reading all i can, this is my last resort ive used FC4 for years and this is annoying now lol |
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| 15:06.49 | delire | baci: but the output of !drxx has been spewing all over your terminal for the last 10 minutes. |
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| 15:07.39 | tijn | OT: anyone knowledge about Nortel products? (BCM400)? |
| 15:07.46 | baci | well thats means nothing to me, sorry |
| 15:07.47 | JohnGH | I have this in modules.conf: options ide-cd ignore=hdc |
| 15:07.58 | JohnGH | would that affect it? |
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| 15:08.10 | SerajewelKS | baci: are you ignoring dpkg? |
| 15:08.17 | delire | baci: !drxx is a shorcut to invoke the bot to let the channel know what 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' actually does.. |
| 15:08.23 | delire | s/shorcut/shortcut |
| 15:08.27 | baci | ah ok lol thanks |
| 15:08.31 | delire | ;) |
| 15:08.46 | baci | but no, im not ignoring it im reading it and following it |
| 15:08.51 | baci | its just not doing what it says it shud be.. |
| 15:09.30 | delire | right.. well it will essentially take you through a reconfiguration of your xserver preferences, whether that server be of the xfree86 or xorg type. |
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| 15:09.53 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:09.56 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.03 | delire | dosttt: go away |
| 15:10.03 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.05 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.07 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.11 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.13 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.17 | tarzeau | !ops dosttt url spammer |
| 15:10.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: dosttt url spammer |
| 15:10.17 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
| 15:10.18 | streuner | !ops dosttt flooding us |
| 15:10.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: dosttt flooding us |
| 15:10.19 | dosttt | www.kardelen.gen.tr |
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| 15:10.28 | tarzeau | dosttt: siktier et hadi be |
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| 15:14.09 | JohnGH | Anyone feel like writing to Net Access Corporation in the US - the owner of the netblock that www.kardelen.gen.tr A 209.123.181.71 is in and telling them that dosttt was spamvertising on IRC and getting the website shut down? |
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| 15:15.12 | sigma | you really think they give a shit? |
| 15:15.49 | JohnGH | Myon: ummm my website is already down :( |
| 15:16.02 | JohnGH | sigma: if it's against their AUP they would |
| 15:16.28 | Myon | JohnGH: I mean, this doesn't necessarily mean the website owner is to blame |
| 15:16.41 | sigma | but the IP owner :P |
| 15:16.51 | JohnGH | Myon: yes, I got your point |
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| 15:18.19 | coolpix | re |
| 15:18.36 | disposable_ | i want to switch to testing - where do i find what to put into my sources.list? (search on debian.org doesn't work) |
| 15:18.48 | SerajewelKS | !sarge->testing |
| 15:18.50 | abrotman | !tell disposable_ about sarge->etch |
| 15:18.54 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: doesn't work in channel |
| 15:19.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it does if i typed "etch" |
| 15:19.12 | JohnGH | laters all |
| 15:19.14 | abrotman | you sure? |
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| 15:19.17 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 15:19.26 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 15:19.26 | abrotman | so either dpkg is dead .. or it doesn't work |
| 15:19.27 | disposable_ | abrotman: tnx :) |
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| 15:19.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i thought it did |
| 15:19.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you thought wrong .. it happens to everyone .. except me .. /me ducks |
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| 15:20.09 | Ungy | Ok I got a stupid question on an update I was told to read a Debian.README file yet I cannot find it |
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| 15:20.26 | SerajewelKS | !stable->testing |
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| 15:20.32 | SerajewelKS | =/ |
| 15:20.32 | minimec | Hi. I am working on a Sarge System and I would like to use the 'sftp'-Function of nautilus. I read about the ssh-askpass-gnome and the gnome-vfs-sftp packages, but the 2nd one doesn't even exist... Do you have any ideas? |
| 15:20.42 | usual | when using dh_make, is there a way to specify configure options? |
| 15:20.53 | Myon | usual: vi debian/rules |
| 15:21.24 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ah, the _default on the factiod is the channel identifier.. and there is no _default channel so it works only in /msg |
| 15:21.35 | SerajewelKS | factoid too |
| 15:21.37 | usual | Myon, ok, so run dh_make....it creates rules and i can specify the config options in there? |
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| 15:21.40 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: no .. trust me .. it's a bug in blootbot .. it doesn't work in channel |
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| 15:21.50 | abrotman | hey look .. BOTS! |
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| 15:21.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's not a bug... /msg dpkg literal stable->testing |
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| 15:22.01 | Bernie | i up dated from synaptic package manager an lost K3b my burner help please |
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| 15:22.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: fine .. you spend whatever time trying to fix it .. it won't work |
| 15:22.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i run a blootbot; _default is the "non-channel" |
| 15:22.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it hasn't in a very very long time |
| 15:22.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: god, pay attention |
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| 15:22.45 | Ungy | Children children lets not fight |
| 15:22.52 | kspath | !fight |
| 15:22.55 | disposable_ | dpkg wants me to ask about "testing security" |
| 15:22.58 | disposable_ | how? |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it hasn't worked in a long time .. it was a problem they introduced a while ago |
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| 15:23.13 | abrotman | disposable_: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 15:23.20 | disposable_ | :) tnx |
| 15:23.24 | Ungy | disposable_ /msg dpkg testing security |
| 15:23.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: those _default, #debian things are fairly new |
| 15:23.29 | Ungy | damn lag |
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| 15:23.48 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm |
| 15:23.58 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody here managed to install tutos (1 or 2) on Sarge? And lived to tell the tale? |
| 15:24.03 | colk | !start an os war |
| 15:24.03 | dpkg | VMS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
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| 15:24.11 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg listkeys sarge->etch |
| 15:24.31 | kspath | OBSD pwns abrotman! |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | perhaps .. but what will it do with me? |
| 15:25.03 | streuner | dpkg, nospambot |
| 15:25.03 | dpkg | [nospambot] http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 15:25.05 | tzafrir_laptop | Are there any decent alternatives to TUTOS? |
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| 15:25.32 | Ungy | Where can I find this Debian.README that the bluefish package has told me to read? |
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| 15:25.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 15:25.52 | ircdevil | ok - i can get my wireless to work with no encryption, but i can get wpa to work. i need to have a look at somebodys /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/default/wpasupplicant files ... |
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| 15:25.53 | streuner | Ungy: /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
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| 15:26.06 | Ungy | thansk struener |
| 15:26.06 | tzafrir_laptop | Ungy, README.Debian? |
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| 15:27.09 | ircdevil | vin`: still here? |
| 15:27.26 | Ungy | tzafrir_laptop, yeah how useless was that info sheesh I already did thata |
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| 15:29.12 | pm_ | i have a vpnc client in my gateway, and every time that i connect it, i can't ping external sites anymore, i get 'Operation not permited', in the resolv.conf i have my dns servers and the vpn dns server. if i restart the network service i can ping again, even with the vpn running. what can cause this? |
| 15:29.26 | disposable_ | :wq |
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| 15:31.27 | benje | hi where must i go to report bot spam ? |
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| 15:31.34 | benje | frenode chan is closed |
| 15:31.46 | abrotman | benje: from what channel? |
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| 15:32.11 | benje | i m from ubuntu but it do private message |
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| 15:32.18 | abrotman | why don't i ever get any! |
| 15:32.23 | sigma | benje: www...en.tr? |
| 15:32.30 | abrotman | LoRez: other that /stats p .. anything we can do? |
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| 15:32.51 | benje | gen.tr yes |
| 15:32.56 | LoRez | abrotman: to what? |
| 15:32.57 | sigma | dosttt |
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| 15:33.01 | benje | yes |
| 15:33.01 | abrotman | LoRez: about the bots |
| 15:33.16 | nvz | I want to feed a list of numbers into a script and have it format it like a path f.e. "10 1 2 0004 0203" into "../10/1/2/[0004-0203]/.." the ranges could be variable length and may have leading zeros. most are 4 places 0000 but some are only 3 000 how can I assure that it will generate the right range if the input contains the correct number of zeros? |
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| 15:33.19 | LoRez | abrotman: banning them is always an option |
| 15:33.20 | sigma | dosttt spammed here too and now here again |
| 15:33.35 | Invasible | Hi ChanneLL |
| 15:33.35 | benje | it is ip i=b43ldz@85.101.244.254 |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | LoRez: for the channel op .. but the K/D-Line is for staff .. but #freenode is closed |
| 15:33.37 | LoRez | if they're dumb enough to spam me, they'll get klined |
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| 15:33.53 | abrotman | LoRez: well .. dosttt recently spammed #debian |
| 15:33.56 | LoRez | abrotman: follow the forwarding |
| 15:34.00 | nvz | abrotman: they are remodelling to make room for my office |
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| 15:34.08 | Deified | I need help getting debian on a Acer machine with SATA hdd o.o |
| 15:34.09 | abrotman | LoRez: to ##bookmark right |
| 15:34.39 | abrotman | benje: that seems your answer .. LoRez implies to report in ##bookmark |
| 15:34.43 | fireba11 | Deified: details ? |
| 15:34.46 | benje | oki tahnks |
| 15:34.49 | Deified | uhm |
| 15:34.54 | benje | :join freenode |
| 15:34.57 | abrotman | Deified: what controller etc |
| 15:35.07 | Deified | sorry im a noob, controller? |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | Deified: your laptop has a SATA controller .. do you know the model of that controller? |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | Deified: did you try the 2.6 installer image? |
| 15:35.33 | Invasible | Selam |
| 15:35.34 | Invasible | arkadaslar |
| 15:35.36 | Invasible | nasýlsýnýuz |
| 15:35.37 | Deified | its not a laptop |
| 15:35.41 | Invasible | turkce býlen varMý |
| 15:35.46 | Deified | and no abrotman didnt try 2.6 |
| 15:35.46 | Deified | ><. |
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| 15:35.55 | cusco | !turkish |
| 15:35.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 15:35.58 | Invasible | yoqmu |
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| 15:36.11 | Invasible | O Oke |
| 15:36.14 | Invasible | thenks |
| 15:36.22 | cusco | welcome |
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| 15:36.56 | benje | it's moderated channel abrotman |
| 15:37.05 | abrotman | benje: wait for voice |
| 15:37.07 | nvz | I guess it wouldnt kill me to put an extra data field in telling the script the range format, to save me the aggrivation of assuring all numbers in the range have the same ammount of places reguardless of their value |
| 15:37.26 | benje | thank ;) abrotman |
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| 15:40.43 | AngelGabriel | I got a question for you guys. What I want to do, is set up a sort of guardian server. I have three rooms, each with it's own seperate lan, and I want to build a fourth server, with 5 NIC's in in. One to connect to each room, one for the internet, and one for a DMZ zone. What's the best debian package to achieve this? |
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| 15:41.42 | Disputin | shorewall would probably work |
| 15:42.13 | Disputin | it has a pretty flexible interface and can allow you to create zones and limit what traffic is allowed between zones. |
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| 15:43.38 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: be prepared to get very familiar with iptables |
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| 15:43.52 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: #iptables , netfilter.org , lartc.org |
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| 15:46.37 | flapane | man |
| 15:46.41 | flapane | how can i watch real video files? |
| 15:46.43 | xored | !paste |
| 15:46.43 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:46.43 | flapane | .ram and .rm |
| 15:47.28 | AngelGabriel | Disputin - Does shorewall allow for multiple NICS? |
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| 15:47.33 | abrotman | !tell flapane about marillat |
| 15:47.37 | abrotman | !tell flapane about real player |
| 15:47.42 | abrotman | !tell flapane about realplayer |
| 15:48.13 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: errm, a firewall without multiple nics would be pointless wouldnt it? |
| 15:48.29 | Disputin | yes |
| 15:48.39 | Disputin | it is a very nice front end for iptables |
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| 15:49.06 | valdyn | unfortunately the main dev quit =/ |
| 15:49.13 | abrotman | valdyn: you can have a firewall on a single NIC |
| 15:49.38 | blondie | why would it be pointless?! |
| 15:50.11 | Ungy | personal firewalls are pointless? |
| 15:50.13 | flapane | abrotman, thanks i am reading |
| 15:50.20 | flapane | but i tried with mplayer without lucky |
| 15:50.23 | valdyn | Ungy: yea |
| 15:50.34 | Ungy | valdyn, how do you figure? |
| 15:50.35 | xored | Iam running a debian linux box as an router. I have a "open" rounign table, which accepts all on ppp0/eth0(intern). Now i want to drop port 901 to the outside ( ppp0) and also the nfs port. How to do that |
| 15:50.44 | lexan | Anyone know where i can find the killall command for debian? Im trying to install vmware tools and it requires it. |
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| 15:51.19 | abrotman | should already be there |
| 15:51.21 | stew | lexan: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:51.22 | abrotman | !find bin/killall sarge |
| 15:51.32 | AngelGabriel | valdyn: I meant as in five or six NICs! But true, a firewall with one NIC.... lol - sounds like a bill gates invention |
| 15:51.43 | valdyn | Ungy: i dont need one, i know myself which ports i open or what i start. The common windows users just click the wrong buttons wheen its gets in the way |
| 15:52.14 | pm_ | what can be updated when i execute a vpn client? i cant ping when i execute it, i get 'operation not permited', my resolv.conf is intact, and if i restart my network service i can ping again. how can i see what vpnclient does when i run it? |
| 15:52.26 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: i used it with 5 interfaces, idont know where the upper limit is ) |
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| 15:53.14 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: nics themselves are irrelevant to shorewall though |
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| 15:53.51 | Ungy | valdyn, so because you know what you are doing and other people are stupi personal firewalls are pointelss? |
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| 15:54.08 | new_debian_user | Hello |
| 15:54.41 | valdyn | Ungy: i didnt say 'other people are stupid' |
| 15:54.49 | valdyn | !personal firewall |
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| 15:55.01 | new_debian_user | Is there some else a webpage that explain how to build the kernel for in 'Testing' ? |
| 15:55.04 | kspath | stupid and ignorant are not quite the same thing |
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| 15:56.50 | Ungy | valdyn, I still think your argument is pretty bad in fact I recomend personal firewalls to people who are ignorant of computers I tell them to read the messages and make sure it is doign what they want it to and I scare the crap out of them when I tell them this it makes them at least read the messages |
| 15:57.09 | Ungy | new_debian_user, why do you want to build a kernel? |
| 15:57.23 | AngelGabriel | Opps... looks like i started an argument! |
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| 15:57.43 | valdyn | hah |
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| 15:58.15 | Ungy | AngelGabriel, you could say pie and an Argument woudl start |
| 15:58.21 | new_debian_user | Ungy, The default on is that enought ? Or must a build the linux-2.6.12 for security raison ? Im not sure that i need to build a new on, so advieses are welcom ;-) |
| 15:58.23 | boonle | is it possible to set a speed limit for the internet on debian? e.g. you can only give 25 kb/s upload and get 25 kb/s download |
| 15:58.39 | valdyn | boonle: yes |
| 15:59.03 | Ungy | new_debian_user, explain not enough? |
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| 15:59.13 | boonle | valdyn: can you explain how? just name the package |
| 15:59.21 | valdyn | !wondershaper |
| 15:59.21 | dpkg | wondershaper is, like, a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 15:59.34 | new_debian_user | Ungy, Ok i try to explain it better |
| 15:59.36 | Ungy | new_debian_user, apt-cache search linux-image and see if what your looking for is there already |
| 15:59.38 | iostream | Anyone know a program that can be used from the commandline to send emails, it should NOT read the content of the mail from stdin.. |
| 15:59.39 | dw_ | what other decent image converters (png -> gif) are there? imagemagick and gimp just muck up on small images |
| 15:59.48 | boonle | ok thank you |
| 16:00.02 | valdyn | boonle: wondershaper is packaged in debian and is basically an example script to setup your traffic shaping |
| 16:00.26 | flapane | abrotman: what about helix player? |
| 16:00.38 | flapane | i should need to play real video files on linux |
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| 16:01.04 | bibe | iostream : and from where should it read the mail content? |
| 16:01.19 | new_debian_user | Ungy, hhhmmm, that output looks nice, i look better on it an think that i not must explain it, i think the solution is there ;-) thx |
| 16:01.22 | Ungy | flapane, I can play most videos using mariilat mplayer package not all though |
| 16:01.24 | iostream | bibe: From a flag.. like mailwhatever --body "text..." |
| 16:01.25 | valdyn | iostream: mutt |
| 16:01.25 | abrotman | flapane: helixplayer can't use RA codecs .. you either have to get the Real Audio player for linux, or /msg dpkg w32codecs and use those with xine/totem/mplayer etc |
| 16:01.36 | flapane | Ungy: what about .ram and .rm? |
| 16:01.41 | valdyn | iostream: oh, geez, im not sure mutt can do that |
| 16:01.44 | ootput | altq? |
| 16:01.53 | flapane | abrotman, i downloaded w32codecs |
| 16:01.54 | Ungy | new_debian_user, if you see the one you want apt-get install linux-image... whatever one you choose |
| 16:01.57 | ootput | prioritizing ACKS? |
| 16:01.58 | valdyn | iostream: why would you need that specific feature? |
| 16:01.58 | flapane | but mplayer won't locate them |
| 16:02.11 | bibe | iostream : you can write a simple wrapper to the mail command |
| 16:02.13 | iostream | valdyn: I need to launch the app from another app.. |
| 16:02.19 | ircdevil | i need some hints to setup wpa. i though all my wpa_supplicant settings were good, but no ... |
| 16:02.25 | iostream | bibe: Yeah, I have though of that. |
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| 16:02.38 | abrotman | flapane: you use those with totem/xine/mplayer |
| 16:02.56 | flapane | on mplayer site i can download real video codecs but when i put them into w32 codec folder... |
| 16:03.00 | Ungy | flapane, people still use Real? |
| 16:03.00 | bibe | iostream : I can't think of anything else than the basic mail commands, or mutt |
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| 16:03.03 | flapane | i don't know how to tell mplayer to locate them |
| 16:03.08 | flapane | Ungy, yes |
| 16:03.13 | valdyn | iostream: i still dont understand why that would make you need that specific feature |
| 16:03.15 | flapane | tons of tv series |
| 16:03.18 | iostream | bibe: Yeah, but it seems that "mail" and mutt doesn't do it.. |
| 16:03.19 | flapane | are in real format |
| 16:03.21 | valdyn | iostream: echo 'text' | mailer |
| 16:03.23 | new_debian_user | Ungy, The default one that i use in 'Testing' is an 386, i need the 686 :-) ok i know how to install the deb, i was looking an trying from source, no more need to do it. I was thinking that in 'Testing' we must build the kernel from source. |
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| 16:03.34 | dw_ | what other decent image converters (png -> gif) are there? imagemagick and gimp just muck up on small images |
| 16:03.38 | Ungy | flapane, wow that is pretty bad |
| 16:03.41 | abrotman | new_debian_user: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:03.41 | iostream | valdyn: Yeah, but wouldn't that require it to be executed in a shell that supports pipes... |
| 16:03.45 | flapane | Ungy, probably |
| 16:03.52 | flapane | anyway what shoud i do........... |
| 16:04.03 | flapane | got to see them with mplayer |
| 16:04.09 | mattt | is there an x86_64 avail yet? |
| 16:04.17 | bibe | iostream : if I should do that, I'd write a wrapper |
| 16:04.18 | flapane | but a good man should explain me how to locate w32codecs |
| 16:04.20 | flapane | with mplayer |
| 16:04.41 | stew | flapane: why aren't you just apt-getting mplayer and w32codecs from marillat? |
| 16:04.46 | Ungy | flapane, read up on google that is where I found out how to do it was searching around for a while and figured out hwo to watch my wmv files |
| 16:04.48 | kspath | hmm lartc.org is messed up |
| 16:04.54 | iostream | bibe: okay |
| 16:04.57 | new_debian_user | abrotman, Ungly : He install it :-) im wait and happy ;-) |
| 16:05.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:05.19 | Ungy | abrotman, I already told him that ;-p |
| 16:05.26 | flapane | stew what's the name |
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| 16:05.31 | flapane | ops excuse me |
| 16:05.32 | flapane | i meant... |
| 16:05.39 | flapane | i already have win32codecs |
| 16:05.47 | abrotman | Ungy: i'm like .. not paying attention? :) |
| 16:05.47 | flapane | and i put real video codecs in their folder |
| 16:05.51 | mattt | ok, i see the port ... amd64==x86_64 tho? |
| 16:05.52 | melao- | is there any tool that gives me a yes/no answer for "is package foo in debian?"? |
| 16:05.54 | flapane | as the guide says |
| 16:06.00 | flapane | but mplayer can't playu the files |
| 16:06.24 | ircdevil | grrr - iwconfig and iwpriv documentations sucks so hard |
| 16:06.27 | abrotman | Ungy: i didn't say i wasn't awake |
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| 16:07.03 | bibe | melao- : apt-cache search <foo> |
| 16:07.29 | flapane | the codecs are in /usr/lib/win32 |
| 16:07.34 | stew | flapane: if you were using the .debs for mplayer and w32codecs, you wouldn't be having this problem, but since you aren't using .debs your questions really belong in #mplayer, not here |
| 16:07.35 | flapane | but why mplayer won't locate them?? |
| 16:07.37 | melao- | bibe, that shows a list of every package that contains foo in the name... I would like to know specifically about foo |
| 16:07.40 | bibe | melao- : or, if you want a 0/1 answer, apt-cache search foo |grep "^foo " |wc -l |
| 16:07.43 | XoR | where i can find ntpdate debian package for amd64 ??? |
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| 16:07.52 | flapane | stew i used deb packages |
| 16:08.06 | flapane | i didn't compile the program from myself |
| 16:08.06 | valdyn | XoR: in the debian amd64 repository |
| 16:08.11 | melao- | bibe, thanx |
| 16:08.20 | dany | hi, what can i do to test a dvd drive, when i put a cd in the drive i see the light on then it freeze light stay on and nothing can t mount it or.... same prob with xp with any cd even at boot..... |
| 16:08.26 | stew | flapane: what version does "apt-cache policy w32codecs" say for Installed: ? |
| 16:08.31 | bibe | melao- : no problem |
| 16:08.40 | XoR | valdyn what's name for this ntpdate package? |
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| 16:08.51 | iostream | XoR: nptclient iirc |
| 16:08.52 | stouset | dany: Your drive is dead. |
| 16:09.07 | stouset | xor: ntpdate? |
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| 16:09.28 | dany | damn i just used it one time then gave it to a friend he installed it and now he s dead!! |
| 16:09.30 | Gnea | dany: can you manually eject the cd? |
| 16:09.32 | XoR | Package ntpdate is not available |
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| 16:09.56 | dany | if i dont try to read the cd before yes gnea |
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| 16:10.06 | dany | for exemple now |
| 16:10.07 | flapane | stew: mm it says w32codecs is not installed |
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| 16:10.14 | flapane | and if i try an aptget install... |
| 16:10.17 | dany | on my debian i just put a unbuntu live cd in |
| 16:10.20 | dany | light is on |
| 16:10.20 | flapane | it says that he can't find it |
| 16:10.23 | Gnea | dany: yeah, sounds like he broke it then gave it back without saying so - not a true friend |
| 16:10.25 | stew | flapane: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:10.26 | dany | and can t do anything now |
| 16:10.26 | flapane | because probably the package became old |
| 16:10.28 | dany | eject.... |
| 16:10.54 | dany | no i just test it he doesnt give it back lol |
| 16:10.55 | stew | XoR: your sources are messed up then, can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
| 16:11.07 | flapane | stew: thanks |
| 16:11.10 | flapane | i will add the repository |
| 16:11.13 | lexan | i do i get apt-file update to update from the internet? |
| 16:11.14 | Gnea | still, he's a dumbass :) |
| 16:11.16 | flapane | let's hope |
| 16:11.19 | dany | lol |
| 16:11.43 | strider | flapane: and realplayer is in that repository as well |
| 16:11.49 | zebalin7 | Hello all. I've been hearing rumors that the 'testing' repos is less stable than sid. Anyone know of any issues with anything to be upgraded in etch? There is a bunch of stuff there. |
| 16:12.04 | flapane | strider, good |
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| 16:12.32 | XoR | deb ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main |
| 16:12.39 | Gnea | zebalin7: basically there are missing packages in testing as they are fixed and put back in at random times |
| 16:12.48 | valdyn | XoR: ntpdate |
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| 16:13.03 | stew | zebalin7: for instance a lot of kde packages have been missing from testing for a while |
| 16:13.12 | Gnea | and vlc |
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| 16:13.46 | zebalin7 | stew: yes, true. But the missing kde packages should not cause breakage should it? |
| 16:13.51 | hannya | amigos como puedo activar mi tarjeta de red |
| 16:13.51 | XoR | xor:/home/xor# apt-cache search ntpdate |
| 16:13.51 | XoR | ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol: documentation |
| 16:13.51 | XoR | xor:/home/xor# |
| 16:14.03 | hannya | k no sea po network.admin |
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| 16:14.33 | hannya | alguien me puedo ayudar |
| 16:14.35 | stew | zebalin7: no |
| 16:14.37 | Gnea | !es |
| 16:14.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:14.40 | flapane | ah strider, do you believe these packages would run even on a kubuntu release? |
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| 16:15.04 | tuv | do kernel oops get logged by default? if yes: where? if no: how can i make them do? |
| 16:15.18 | Gnea | tuv: /var/log/kern.log |
| 16:15.22 | strider | flapane: don't know, but i'm pretty sure that Ubuntu would have its own repository for that. check #ubuntu |
| 16:15.25 | zebalin7 | stew: so why is there so much talk about testing being 'unstable' for the next month or so. It's been discussed on the mepis boards and elsewhere. Is this just noob-talk? |
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| 16:15.50 | tuv | Gnea: couldn't find any there. could my system freeze for other reasons besides a kernel oops? |
| 16:15.55 | stew | XoR: looks like it was recently removed from amd64 on testing, if you need it now download and install the .deb from sid |
| 16:15.58 | stouset | zebalin7: Usually that means that a large set of interrelated packages are all being merged into Testing at once. |
| 16:16.26 | Gnea | tuv: oops usually don't freeze unless there's a big problem |
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| 16:16.51 | stouset | Gnea: Even then, the kernel is still running, it's just in a tight while (1) { } loop ;) |
| 16:16.53 | zebalin7 | stouset: but they came from sid after a 10+ day test, so in theory they should be solid? |
| 16:16.55 | stew | zebalin7: no, its true, there are many major transitions going on, there have been since sarge released |
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| 16:17.17 | tuv | Gnea: i guess my madwifi driver is causing some problems. whenever i'm using it the system freezes frequently. what else could it be if not a kernel oops? |
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| 16:17.32 | Gnea | stouset: true, if one can still issue sysrq commands then they're in the green |
| 16:17.48 | stouset | zebalin7: It's not that the quality of the packages is in question, it's that there's a *large* number of packages coming in that have complicated and interlinking dependencies, that is very very hard to get uploaded to the repos in an order which ensures no broken dependencies |
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| 16:17.54 | priyank | hi |
| 16:18.01 | priyank | im trying tio compile an app that requires gtk-doco |
| 16:18.08 | priyank | *gtk-doc |
| 16:18.09 | Gnea | tuv: dunno, you should check the madwifi docs, forums and mailing lists |
| 16:18.15 | zebalin7 | stew: ok, I'll be very careful and not do a blanket apt-get upgrade. I left sid because of all the problems. I thought etch would be a 'safer' place. |
| 16:18.18 | priyank | what is the name of the gtk-doc packageS? |
| 16:18.23 | tuv | Gnea: they asked me to look for a kernel oops! |
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| 16:18.36 | stouset | zebalin7: It is. Usually. |
| 16:18.36 | tuv | Gnea: which i could not find |
| 16:18.40 | Gnea | tuv: do you have a second computer? |
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| 16:18.47 | zebalin7 | stouset: maybe I should just drop to sarge!!! Nothing is as safe as that.!!! |
| 16:19.03 | stouset | zebalin7: Not sure what all the problems in unstable are you're referring to though. I've had surprisingly few issues, and I've used it as my main desktop for half a decade. |
| 16:19.04 | new_debian_user | Ungy, Thanks, the new kernel are installed :-) |
| 16:19.05 | tuv | Gnea: is kern.log the default file that gets the kernel oops or do i need to configure something? |
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| 16:19.16 | stouset | zebalin7: It's up to you. |
| 16:19.17 | tuv | Gnea: not right here! |
| 16:19.43 | Gnea | tuv: try /var/log/syslog |
| 16:20.09 | ircdevil | i am stuck. wlan help wanted. |
| 16:20.11 | tuv | Gnea: not there too. I looked at syslog, messages and kern.log |
| 16:20.17 | zebalin7 | stouset: well I was thinking of the xorg and gcc mess last summer and the problems with hal and udev the past month. I did an upgrade in sid and could no longer eject a CD. I gave up and installed etch. No time for this kind of bleeding edge stuff! |
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| 16:20.47 | ems | hi |
| 16:20.49 | Gnea | tuv: how do you know it oops then? |
| 16:20.51 | zebalin7 | Now 'they' say etch is going to go 'on the fritz'. I hope not!!!! :-) |
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| 16:20.57 | ems | can someone slap these bugs |
| 16:21.02 | ems | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337136 |
| 16:21.12 | ems | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335625 |
| 16:21.14 | Gnea | zebalin7: it's been on the fritz, and it'll get worse for awhile |
| 16:21.14 | stouset | zebalin7: Guess I just never noticed. The xorg and gcc upgrades went flawlessly best I could tell, and I upgraded HAL/udev from experimental before they were released to unstable so guess I missed the large transition :) |
| 16:21.34 | tuv | Gnea: the system freezes frequently when madwifi is loaded. i asked madwifi people and the asked me to look for a kernel oops. |
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| 16:22.08 | ems | stouset: can you please take it up with #d-d, it is past my bed time |
| 16:22.12 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
| 16:22.29 | stouset | ems: ...huh? |
| 16:22.49 | ems | stouset: you slapped them |
| 16:22.50 | zebalin7 | Well no doubt debian etch/sid are only for the stout of heart. I know lots of folks who have abandonded both for the deb. derivatives that have their own controlled repos (i.e. ubuntu). |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | ems: that's not a bug with evince |
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| 16:23.10 | ems | abrotman: it isn't with xpdf or gpdf |
| 16:23.12 | new_debian_user | When my 'Fluxbox' desktop environment are loaded. I would like that he run automatical load an application. |
| 16:23.16 | abrotman | ems: well . the first one i mean |
| 16:23.23 | stouset | zebalin7: Don't know about that. Have known lots of people to use sid/etch without problems for long, long periods of time. |
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| 16:23.27 | abrotman | ems: unless epiphany uses evince to display PDFs inlign |
| 16:23.45 | ems | abrotman: it use bonobo |
| 16:23.47 | new_debian_user | Wher i must set somethings ? Can someone point me to the right way ? |
| 16:23.59 | ems | abrotman: you need mozilla-bonobo |
| 16:24.03 | ems | abrotman: read on |
| 16:24.21 | Ronin | new_debian_user: thats covered on teh fluxbox website |
| 16:24.26 | ems | abrotman: the PDFs are problemed in evince but not in anything else |
| 16:24.32 | tarzeau | how can i reconfigure keyboard map in console? dpkg-reconfigure console-common tells me NONE |
| 16:24.37 | minimec | Hi Does someone of you can help me with the (non existing!) gnome-vfs-sftp package. I read in some forums that i had to install ssh-askpass and gnome-vfs-sftp to use the sftp Function in nautilus. well there is no gnome-vfs-sftp package in the debian system (not anymore). So what can I do? |
| 16:24.48 | priyank | anyone knows what package provides gtk-doc ? |
| 16:24.49 | ems | tarzeau: see locale |
| 16:24.53 | streuner | dpkg, keymap |
| 16:24.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 16:25.01 | ems | priyank: dpkg does |
| 16:25.03 | tarzeau | streuner: thanks |
| 16:25.05 | streuner | priyank: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:25.08 | abrotman | ems: that's what i just said ... |
| 16:25.08 | tuv | Gnea: hey.. i just found that i have: "kern.* -/var/log/kern.log" in my syslog.conf. could the "-" be the reason? should i remove it? |
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| 16:25.11 | azeem | ems: are you changing nicks all the time? |
| 16:25.13 | zebalin7 | stouset: I think you are right... but from what I hear (be it true or false) debian etch/sid is getting a 'bad rep' for being what it is.... unstable. Problem is because for past three years 'unstable' really WASN'T. It was pretty darn solid. |
| 16:25.17 | ems | azeem: no |
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| 16:25.28 | new_debian_user | Ronin: Thanks, really, i had forget to look to it. It's now my first time a go to this site :-/ thx ;-) |
| 16:25.34 | stouset | minimec: I believe the sftp module is in libgnomevfs2-extra |
| 16:25.34 | streuner | tarzeau: you are welcome :-P |
| 16:25.38 | ems | azeem: I wanted ems, and lilo freed it for me a few days ago. |
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| 16:26.06 | lunchbox | Hi guys, |
| 16:26.11 | minimec | stouset: Hey.. That sounds good :-) I'll try that. |
| 16:26.22 | strider | new_debian_user:check the fluxbox wiki. it'll answer most of your questions |
| 16:26.25 | stouset | zebalin7: I don't see them as being any more 'unstable' than stable releases of Fedora, Gentoo, etc. Best I can tell, people take the symlink name 'unstable' a little too literally. |
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| 16:26.39 | lunchbox | Just trying to install debian using the net install cd iso, boots fine, but then when continuing into setup menu usb keyboard dies. Is there a module i should be passing to the kernel to enable support? |
| 16:26.42 | ems | abrotman: not it wasn't |
| 16:26.56 | nookiee | I've compiled some fonts. They're named *.pcf.gz. Where shhould I place them ? |
| 16:26.59 | ems | no |
| 16:27.08 | ems | abrotman: it uses bonobo |
| 16:27.10 | stouset | minimec: No, sorry, looks like I'm wrong. I'm not sure if the sftp module is packaged in Debian. |
| 16:27.43 | zebalin7 | stouset: never used gentoo. Found Fedora slow and bloated and their yum was still a WIP. Nothing touches debian for ease of maint. |
| 16:27.45 | Myon | stouset: sftp is the same as ssh |
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| 16:27.57 | prog | nookiee: save them into whatever directory, but do not forget to mention this direcory in xorg.conf(FontPath) |
| 16:28.03 | ems | abrotman: only when bonobo uses evince it is problemed |
| 16:28.12 | ems | abrotman: not when gpdf |
| 16:28.13 | minimec | stouset: I see that.. There is no libgnomevfs2-extra package :-( |
| 16:28.22 | stouset | zebalin7: I really do fail to understand why development continues on yum. It's really just a lousy piece of software. |
| 16:28.31 | zebalin7 | stouset: it is easy to break debian but just as easy to fix it (as long as you stick with apt-get and don't compile your own (unless you can get checkinstall to work... I never could.) |
| 16:28.31 | nookiee | prog: So in other way: Place them in directory mentioned in xorg.conf ;) |
| 16:28.33 | resiak | ems: evince is a fairly useless pdf viewer. HTH |
| 16:28.44 | stouset | minimec: Is for me. Might be an unstable thing. |
| 16:28.49 | prog | nookiee: its up to you :-) |
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| 16:29.16 | minimec | stouset: I see... |
| 16:29.16 | ems | resiak: evince uses the same backend |
| 16:29.22 | zebalin7 | stouset: I agree. They should do what PCLinuxOS did... adapt apt-get and synaptic for RPM. It really worked well when I tested it. |
| 16:29.24 | ems | resiak: the problem is IN evince |
| 16:29.27 | abrotman | ems: could be a image library issue ? |
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| 16:29.47 | stouset | minimec: Hm, but it does look like I have the ssh module installed, somehow. |
| 16:29.50 | lunchbox | anyone have any idea how to get a usb kb working with the installer? |
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| 16:29.58 | ems | abrotman: no idea, but the maintainer needs to look in to it. |
| 16:30.01 | abrotman | ems: it'd be interesting to note the differences in dependencies .. |
| 16:30.06 | abrotman | ems: so append the bug ? |
| 16:30.15 | prog | lunchbox: do you have usb support turned on in your bios ? |
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| 16:30.20 | stouset | minimec: Have you tried just putting ssh://username@host/ into nautilus? It Just Worked for me. |
| 16:30.23 | ems | abrotman: I am new to dbts |
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| 16:31.16 | lunchbox | yeah i do |
| 16:31.17 | lunchbox | because i'm using the usb kb in winblows |
| 16:31.17 | minimec | stouset: Well I see, that there are some gnome-vfs packages. Maybe I'll try one of those. |
| 16:31.17 | lunchbox | and it works when i actually get to the first selection menu |
| 16:31.17 | ems | lunchbox: windows doesn't blow |
| 16:31.17 | abrotman | ems: you can send to bug#@bugs.debian.org .. append the bug if you have more useful information .. DO NOT FLAME the maintainer |
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| 16:31.18 | lunchbox | but once the kernel gets loaded it dies |
| 16:31.18 | stouset | minimec: Make sure you're getting the 2.x packages, not the 1.x packages. |
| 16:31.18 | ems | lunchbox: graphics in windows is better than linux |
| 16:31.18 | stouset | minimec: Because those are for GNOME 1.x |
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| 16:31.21 | ems | lunchbox: windows threads are better than linux pthreads |
| 16:31.27 | abrotman | haha |
| 16:31.30 | stouset | minimec: Look for gnome2-vfs |
| 16:31.37 | lunchbox | ems: ok... |
| 16:31.39 | ems | abrotman: the info is already there |
| 16:31.41 | stouset | minimec: Err...libgnomevfs2 |
| 16:31.59 | ems | abrotman: the maintainor isn't look at them. the info is spilted inbetween both of them |
| 16:32.01 | abrotman | ems: then there's not much you can do about it .. wait .. or help fix it |
| 16:32.12 | azeem | ems: you are oat |
| 16:32.20 | prog | ems, how does pthreads depends on kernel usb subsystem ? |
| 16:32.23 | abrotman | oat? |
| 16:32.32 | ems | abrotman: wait till the next stable release, I think not. |
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| 16:32.45 | ems | azeem: /msg nickserver info oat |
| 16:32.48 | abrotman | ems: you could bitch and whine somemore .. or you could help fix it |
| 16:32.49 | azeem | abrotman: famous in #d-d |
| 16:32.58 | azeem | 06:17 -!- oat (The Orthogonal Angle Thinker) [n=ems@203-214-157-66.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian |
| 16:32.58 | abrotman | azeem: for ? |
| 16:33.02 | minimec | stouset: Ok. I just read about that gtk1 thing in the descriptions. THX |
| 16:33.19 | abrotman | azeem: anything useful? |
| 16:33.26 | ems | abrotman: for not giving out my real name to blackmail |
| 16:33.31 | azeem | well, getting on peopel's nerves mostly I think |
| 16:33.44 | abrotman | i can see why |
| 16:33.44 | ems | azeem: nerves? I think not |
| 16:34.01 | ems | I don't take into blackmail at all |
| 16:34.09 | azeem | I don't care a lot, I just find it suspicious that you keep changing nicks |
| 16:34.19 | ems | azeem: keep? |
| 16:34.26 | Ungy | !troll bail |
| 16:34.31 | azeem | Ungy: ? |
| 16:34.40 | Ungy | whoop s |
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| 16:35.07 | ems | azeem: I explained. I wanted ems, someone else had it registered. lilo dropped it for me, and I swap to *what I orignally wanted* |
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| 16:35.54 | Ungy | ems so you stole someone elses nick and got lilo to help you do it |
| 16:35.56 | minimec | stouset: I think I'll give up. I can access via gftp. I just wanted to try the drag&drop in nautilus. But... as always ... nautilus sucks :-) |
| 16:36.03 | azeem | ems: I see |
| 16:36.13 | ems | Ungy: stole, policy says I can have it |
| 16:36.25 | azeem | ok, so let's drop it |
| 16:36.28 | abrotman | azeem: so he goes into #d-d and harrasses people ? |
| 16:36.28 | stouset | minimec: not sure what to tell you, man. :\ works for me :) |
| 16:36.41 | ems | azeem: I have to repeat thing twice before you people understand? |
| 16:36.42 | Ungy | minimec, I use Gnomefs all the time |
| 16:36.42 | azeem | abrotman: I am not in there, I just heard it second hand |
| 16:36.46 | ems | abrotman: no |
| 16:36.46 | azeem | so let's drop it |
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| 16:37.07 | azeem | he indeed joined here as ems first |
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| 16:37.14 | disposable_ | is there anything like apt-get dist-downgrade? |
| 16:37.14 | AngelGabriel | Umm... people is Upnp a taboo subject in here? |
| 16:37.15 | ems | abrotman: they wanted my legal name, and said if I don't give it they will ban me |
| 16:37.18 | abrotman | ems: says you .. you're not the subject of the possible harassment .. now please drop it .. fix the bug or provide the maintainer wiht more useful info to help him fix it |
| 16:37.20 | ems | azeem: I joined here as oat |
| 16:37.22 | azeem | ems: that is fine |
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| 16:37.31 | azeem | ems: I mean back in January |
| 16:37.46 | azeem | ems: the firefox-is-owned inicdent |
| 16:37.56 | ems | abrotman: the info is there. What is needed it the maintainer to LOOK at the info |
| 16:38.05 | ekimus | hi, trying to get cyrus to work with different domains. now i don't want to add a new domain to loginrealms everytime instead I want cyrus to get the realms from a database, if anyone knows a solution help me please, google didn't help me much by now |
| 16:38.07 | ems | azeem: huh? |
| 16:38.11 | abrotman | ems: there's not much there .. |
| 16:38.14 | SerajewelKS | !fight |
| 16:38.28 | Ungy | ems I think you are an annoying troll and I think I am goign to have to ignore you |
| 16:38.31 | ems | azeem: what firefox-is-owned inicdrny? |
| 16:38.34 | azeem | ems: you came in here demanding to speak somebody responsible because your firefox package displayed advertisement for the Maintainer's homepage |
| 16:38.47 | azeem | Ungy: fine |
| 16:38.54 | ems | azeem: the apt-get.org incident |
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| 16:39.02 | azeem | ems: yeah, whatever :) |
| 16:39.08 | ems | azeem: not firefox ;) |
| 16:39.09 | abrotman | did you guys know the last.fm player is open source .. dunno about the license |
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| 16:39.23 | abrotman | though it says GPL |
| 16:39.48 | Ungy | abrotman is there a package for it? |
| 16:40.00 | azeem | I think there are a couple of plugins for popular music players now |
| 16:40.04 | abrotman | Ungy: a static one on thier website .. i'd need to setup svn to play with it |
| 16:40.04 | ems | abrotman: there is enough there, like it is only evince, and not the backend |
| 16:40.12 | stouset | abrotman: Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with last.fm...plugins for about every damn player on the market. |
| 16:40.17 | abrotman | ems: FINE ... help him fix it ... stop whining |
| 16:40.30 | flapane | abrotman, i tried that repository but |
| 16:40.35 | flapane | i cant find anything regading real codecs |
| 16:40.41 | ems | abrotman: I am not whining |
| 16:41.00 | Ungy | stouset maybe I will try it sounds interesting? |
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| 16:41.21 | ems | abrotman: I asked if someone could go into #d-d and past them to the maintainer |
| 16:41.24 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to get maxima to step through the process it uses to get an answer? |
| 16:41.26 | azeem | somebody posted a rhythmbox patch |
| 16:41.33 | azeem | ems: no |
| 16:41.34 | abrotman | ems: he's seen them .. |
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| 16:41.39 | Ungy | azeem, sweet where? |
| 16:41.40 | azeem | ems: that is not was #debian-devel is for |
| 16:41.41 | SerajewelKS | it's not very useful to get the answer if i need help with my homework -- i need to see how it's getting the answer. |
| 16:41.44 | ems | abrotman: then again |
| 16:41.47 | multic | ... |
| 16:41.50 | azeem | Ungy: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/rhythmbox-devel/2005-September/msg00161.html |
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| 16:42.02 | azeem | Ungy: I think they merged it recently, but I only followed slightly |
| 16:42.05 | abrotman | ems: you can't help the maintainer .. you don't have more information .. you're not willing to fix it .. STOP WHINING |
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| 16:42.19 | Ungy | azeem, thanks I have been using xmms this morning because of it |
| 16:42.30 | flapane | :( |
| 16:42.37 | Ungy | Abrotman just tell him to shut the hell up about it already |
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| 16:43.46 | stouset | Ungy: It's nothing revolutionary, but it's surprising to see something like this come out with plugins for just about every media player on the market, including all the popular Linux ones. |
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| 16:44.16 | Ungy | stouset, too true lloks promising |
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| 16:44.30 | ems | abrotman: I am not whinning, you are turning it into that. if you just could ping it to the maintainer this would be over |
| 16:44.40 | abrotman | ems: YOU DO IT |
| 16:44.50 | stouset | ems: You can ping it to the maintainer yourself. We are not your servants. |
| 16:44.51 | abrotman | ems: then he can put you on his killfile |
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| 16:44.54 | azeem | stouset: there's a difference between the audioscrobbler plugins and the last.fm player |
| 16:45.04 | ems | abrotman: I said HOW |
| 16:45.12 | azeem | ems: mail the bug reports |
| 16:45.16 | abrotman | if you can't figure that out .. i'm not going to help you |
| 16:45.25 | SerajewelKS | ems: reportbug |
| 16:45.27 | abrotman | that's a pretty fundamental part of using debian |
| 16:45.33 | azeem | ... unstable |
| 16:45.34 | ems | SerajewelKS: to ping? |
| 16:45.41 | SerajewelKS | ems: to file a bug report |
| 16:45.50 | azeem | SerajewelKS: this is about a follow-up |
| 16:45.57 | SerajewelKS | azeem: ah |
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| 16:46.16 | SerajewelKS | ems: bugs.debian.org/packagename, find the bug, and mail the followup address (nnnnnn@bugs.debian.org) |
| 16:46.17 | Ungy | Ok I am just going to leave the cahnnel this ems guy is domminating th econversation with his stupid troling ass so take care everyoen see you around |
| 16:46.18 | ems | SerajewelKS: I don't need to file a bug, I want a bug from the last decade to be fixed sometime this decade |
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| 16:46.25 | stouset | azeem: reportbug lets you post additional replies to existing bugs. |
| 16:46.27 | SerajewelKS | ems: so fix it |
| 16:46.30 | stouset | ems: reportbug. |
| 16:46.32 | abrotman | ems: did you even think to check upstream and see if it's a known issue there? |
| 16:46.44 | azeem | stouset: I know :) |
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| 16:46.46 | ems | abrotman: first smart comment |
| 16:46.57 | ems | abrotman: In the last 10sec |
| 16:46.57 | uriel | you guys having fun with ems over here here too? heh.. |
| 16:47.15 | azeem | uriel: where else? |
| 16:47.22 | ems | abrotman: isn't that the maintainers job also? |
| 16:47.33 | abrotman | ems: to read the bugs you submit .. sure |
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| 16:47.37 | uriel | azeem: #plan9 and #debian-devel not long ago... |
| 16:47.41 | abrotman | ems: but you can't even figure out how to do that |
| 16:47.46 | SerajewelKS | ems: the maintainer is a volunteer, like you. help him out. |
| 16:47.48 | stouset | ems: This is a volunteer community. Clearly, the bug isn't all that important to either upstream or the Debian package maintainer. If it's important to you, either let the d-d know this and hope he has the courtesy, time, and desire to do it of his own free will, or bite the bullet and fix it yourself. |
| 16:47.56 | abrotman | ems is just a retarded troll |
| 16:47.59 | abrotman | *plonk* |
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| 16:48.03 | ems | God |
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| 16:48.23 | abrotman | azeem: the last.fm player is audioscrobbler? |
| 16:48.39 | azeem | abrotman: no, audioscrobbler is for telling last.fm what you're currently listening to |
| 16:48.42 | azeem | (I think) |
| 16:48.43 | ems | abrotman: if you look at the packages open bugs, the maintainer hasn't looked at any of the bugs |
| 16:48.51 | azeem | it might also be the player |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | it says the player : Player Source Code (GPL License) |
| 16:48.53 | abrotman | You may check out the latest player source code from subversion: svn://svn.audioscrobbler.net/player/trunk |
| 16:49.01 | uriel | ems: can you stop making idiotic excuses? |
| 16:49.07 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, maybe the domain is overloaded with terms |
| 16:49.12 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 16:49.15 | ems | uriel: no |
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| 16:49.50 | minimec | abrotman: Do you want to compile the player software for your debian system? |
| 16:49.57 | uriel | ems: good, that people takes very good note of your comments |
| 16:50.01 | ems | anyway |
| 16:50.06 | SerajewelKS | ems: so email the fucking maintainer and tell him to wake up |
| 16:50.07 | ems | it has been a long day for me |
| 16:50.09 | azeem | uriel: btw, you were at LSM last year, right? |
| 16:50.13 | SerajewelKS | ems: we cannot help this situation |
| 16:50.15 | ems | I have a headach |
| 16:50.21 | ems | I can't think sraight |
| 16:50.27 | ems | I will leave it till the morning |
| 16:50.28 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:50.30 | SerajewelKS | ems: so take some ibuprofen and stop staring at the monitor ;) |
| 16:50.31 | fatal_ | for gods sake! Please stop feeding him! |
| 16:50.32 | kspath | already had it on ignore for a while, it makes all those talking to it look like they are talking into their armpit... |
| 16:50.33 | azeem | ems: good idea |
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| 16:51.20 | uriel | azeem: yes, and I hope to be there this year too :) |
| 16:51.22 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:51.25 | junix|work | what should i do about this...[Thu Feb 9 10:28:25 2006] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache/suexec) |
| 16:51.25 | junix|work | [Thu Feb 9 10:28:25 2006] [notice] Accept mutex: sysvsem (Default: sysvsem) |
| 16:51.25 | junix|work | [Thu Feb 9 11:57:46 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 16:51.25 | junix|work | [Thu Feb 9 11:59:31 2006] [notice] Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-16 mod_perl/1.29 configured -- resuming normal operations |
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| 16:51.57 | kspath | !paste |
| 16:51.57 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:52.43 | junix|work | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1779 |
| 16:52.56 | junix|work | could someone look at that? |
| 16:52.58 | mboso | is there an offical apt repository for x86_64 yet? |
| 16:53.15 | azeem | uriel: http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/photos/lsm_2005/img026.jpeg.html <- is that you on the left? |
| 16:53.17 | RichiH | mboso: yes |
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| 16:54.38 | RichiH | mboso: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:54.49 | uriel | azeem: nope :) |
| 16:54.55 | Morden | is this right for a cron? 0 3 * * * mv /home/mail/web3p1/Maildir/.Spam/cur/* /dev/null |
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| 16:55.06 | azeem | uriel: ok, sorry, the pic was pretty dark |
| 16:55.21 | orchid | azeem: thats ^lunar |
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| 16:55.26 | azeem | ah, right |
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| 16:55.30 | ircdevil | i am close to getting this wireless working. all is good exept the WPA authentication. anyone? |
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| 16:57.56 | nikos | hi everybody |
| 16:58.15 | mboso | RichiH: is that for a debian installer? I have it installed. I was just looking for an offical repository to add to my apt file |
| 16:58.24 | uriel | azeem: I don't think I am in any of the pictures there, mako is all over the place it seems though :) |
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| 16:59.29 | azeem | uriel: heh |
| 17:00.00 | azeem | http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/photos/lt2lsm_2005/index.html is even worse |
| 17:00.23 | RichiH | mboso: oh, ok. just modify a sources entry, then |
| 17:00.28 | nikos | I read in the man page of cp that "cp --no-preserve=mode,ownership aaa bbb" would not preserve the permission for a file copied. Yet that doesn't seem to happen. Am I doing something wrong or this is a bug in the documentation? |
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| 17:01.00 | uriel | azeem: mako is a cool guy, I was staying at the same place as him at WTH |
| 17:01.31 | mboso | RichiH: yeah, sorry, what i meant to ask was if anyone knows the url for the official x86_64 repository. I can't find it online. |
| 17:01.44 | delire_ | uriel: hi |
| 17:02.02 | azeem | yeah |
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| 17:03.53 | Spudchat | hi, i used the debian net install and selected desktop enviornment, but i dont want the machine to boot right into the gui, so i edited /etc/inittab and changed the line id:5:initdefault: to id:2:initdefault |
| 17:04.08 | Spudchat | however the machine still boots to the gui, any ideas on how to fix that? |
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| 17:04.32 | nookiee | I've placed fonts in new folder, mentioned its location in xorg.conf and reloaded X. fonts aren't present in any program. what should I fix? |
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| 17:04.46 | nixx | Spudchat: remove gdm/kdm symlink from /etc/rc2.d |
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| 17:04.56 | delire | Spudchat: kill any display managers, remove them from /etc/init.d/ with update-rc.d and you're done. |
| 17:04.59 | Spudchat | ok ill try that, thanks |
| 17:05.02 | bibe | Spudchat : update-rc.d -f remove kdm (or gdm, or xdm) |
| 17:05.04 | amphi | !tell Spudchat about nodm |
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| 17:05.47 | Spudchat | ill still be able to start the gui with startx correct? |
| 17:05.55 | amphi | Spudchat: yes |
| 17:05.57 | delire | Spudchat: yes. note never simply rm sylinks or scripts from /etc/init.d/. |
| 17:06.07 | delire | s/sylinks/symlinks |
| 17:06.11 | uriel | hi delire |
| 17:06.12 | bibe | Spudchat : yes, even with /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 17:06.23 | Spudchat | ok thanks |
| 17:06.24 | delire | uriel: from #wmii on oftc? |
| 17:06.34 | nikos | What should I change in my debian installation so that any file a user would copy, would result in the copy having the user who issued the copy command as the owner and the permission bit set to the ones specified by the umask of the environment. Any help would be apreciated. |
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| 17:07.17 | uriel | delire: yea, I'm there too :) |
| 17:07.25 | reind | im getting weird behavior during bootup. After "enabling swap space" I get a prompt with "sh#2.05b#" then I need to type exit to continue with the init process. Anyone know what is causing this? |
| 17:07.30 | delire | uriel: good, i thought i may have my proverbial wires crossed ;) |
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| 17:07.57 | nixx | reind: do you hit "enter" during the boot process at all? |
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| 17:09.32 | dw_ | what other decent image converters (png -> gif) are there? imagemagick and gimp just muck up on small images |
| 17:09.32 | uriel | delire: you a #wmii user? |
| 17:09.33 | reind | nixx nope |
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| 17:09.45 | lakcaj | dw_, try sam2p |
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| 17:09.58 | Optic | hey, i was wondering if you guys could help me out with an apt issue |
| 17:10.02 | dw_ | lakcaj: will it be able to do the job? |
| 17:10.21 | Optic | i'm trying to install the openvpn package on a remote box, and apt wants to upgrade a lot of critical system packages along with it |
| 17:10.24 | dw_ | installing |
| 17:10.27 | Optic | which are PROBABLY not required by the openvpn versiojn |
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| 17:10.35 | Optic | i'd rather not do those upgrades |
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| 17:11.16 | nixx | reind: ok, it looks like u are dumped to a linxurc console, this comes from initrd/mkinitrd, check whatever you are using to make the initrd, this is sort of a "rescue" console |
| 17:11.28 | cahoot | dw_: are you rezising in the process? |
| 17:11.32 | nixx | err s/linxurc/linuxrc/g |
| 17:12.02 | dw_ | cahoot: nope |
| 17:12.45 | cnet2 | hi, I just installed debian on my ibm t41, but i wanted to use my external monitor as an extended screen, could someone instruct me on how to do this? |
| 17:12.59 | nixx | reind: also check what is your default runlevel in inittab, its a long shot, but u never know |
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| 17:14.26 | reind | nixx well, what's weird is this happens after i tried restoring the os from a backup. and this doesnt happen on the backup source. Same kernel, etc. So... if it works on the backuped up box, it should also work on the new restored one too. The only thing im unsure of is the partitions, since i restored by using dd to copy the first 512 blocks, and didnt partition the drive as i normally would. |
| 17:14.31 | delire | uriel: yes, for some time now. |
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| 17:15.13 | Optic | hmmm |
| 17:15.33 | nixx | reind: remake the initrd |
| 17:16.01 | reind | nixx ok will try that, thanks |
| 17:16.15 | lakcaj | !tell cnet2 about xinerama |
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| 17:17.13 | SerajewelKS | zinx: still there? |
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| 17:17.25 | ronove | what's a good paint-alike program? |
| 17:17.29 | uriel | delire: (m)any complaint so far? |
| 17:17.36 | junix|work | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1779 could someone take a look at that? |
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| 17:17.55 | ronove | so, not really for image-editing, but rather for drawing simple things |
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| 17:18.14 | SerajewelKS | ronove: gimp |
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| 17:18.39 | amphi | ronove: inkscape is a vector graphic program, if that's any good to you |
| 17:18.51 | SerajewelKS | ronove: oh yeah, inkscape =) |
| 17:19.05 | fatal_ | tuxpaint? |
| 17:20.50 | delire | uriel: wmii is the window manager that sucks the least. 2.5.2 has been very stable. i like it and see no reason to move to another. |
| 17:21.50 | Optic | hi |
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| 17:22.53 | phydoxx | [18:20] <phydoxx> welcome on /ignore |
| 17:22.55 | phydoxx | [18:21] <RichiH> i fear this talk is not over yet, sorry |
| 17:22.57 | phydoxx | [18:21] Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..> |
| 17:22.59 | phydoxx | [18:21] mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*.aol.com |
| 17:23.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 872] by debhelper |
| 17:23.01 | phydoxx | [18:21] types - types of data to ignore, one or all of: |
| 17:23.03 | phydoxx | [18:21] PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL |
| 17:23.05 | phydoxx | [18:21] options - NOSAVE, QUIET |
| 17:23.07 | phydoxx | [18:21] RichiH added to ignore list. |
| 17:23.09 | phydoxx | [18:22] <RichiH> if you do not answer, i might have to remove you from the network :? |
| 17:23.11 | phydoxx | [18:22] <RichiH> :/ |
| 17:23.15 | RichiH | yes |
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| 17:23.26 | RichiH | which i herbey did |
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| 17:24.17 | ircdevil | what is this error?: FATAL: Module crc_ccitt not found |
| 17:24.21 | dw_ | Hi guys, I'm having a little trouble getting to grips with the tc command -- I was wondering if anyone could offer some help |
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| 17:24.36 | dw_ | I'm trying to restrict my upload rate to 700 kb/sec |
| 17:24.38 | RichiH | ircdevil: you need to compile the module for your kernel, i presume |
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| 17:25.16 | jimmyxx | can someone in america make me a couple of gmail.com addresses? |
| 17:25.20 | jimmyxx | i can't stand googlemail |
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| 17:25.44 | ircdevil | RichiH: so its a kernel module i need to compile? under what section? |
| 17:26.05 | Spudchat | thanks for the help fellas, works perfectly |
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| 17:26.23 | RichiH | ircdevil: grep your .config - else just google for it a bit. that's what i do |
| 17:26.28 | ircdevil | RichiH: will od |
| 17:27.18 | ircdevil | RichiH: ok, got this -> # CONFIG_CRC_CCITT is not set |
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| 17:27.46 | RichiH | ircdevil: good |
| 17:27.48 | ircdevil | (menuconfig should have a search function) |
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| 17:28.04 | dw_ | anyone? |
| 17:28.10 | lpb-oberon | is there a way to force dpkg to overwirte all files fo an old packge? |
| 17:28.16 | SerajewelKS | jimmyxx: if you can't stand it, why do you want some addresses? |
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| 17:28.31 | lpb-oberon | without deleteing an purgin the old package? |
| 17:28.34 | airox | Hi |
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| 17:28.48 | stouset | lpb-oberon: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 17:28.49 | amphi | SerajewelKS: I think he means he wants to be foo@gmail.com rather than foo@googlemail.com |
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| 17:28.58 | SerajewelKS | lpb-oberon: dpkg --force-help |
| 17:29.04 | ircdevil | RichiH: but i still dont know what section its in ... |
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| 17:29.11 | zumbi | !hi |
| 17:29.12 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 17:29.13 | SerajewelKS | lpb-oberon: i believe you want `dpkg --force-overwrite` |
| 17:29.26 | SerajewelKS | amphi: i thought they were the same thing |
| 17:29.33 | zumbi | i have plug a usb mass storage device, where could i find it (using udev) ? |
| 17:29.43 | airox | I'm messing around with linux vserver. I have compiled a kernel and installed everything. I have a vserver running now. I can connect to services running on the vserver, but I can't seem to connect out of this vserver. I think it has something todo with this ip alias that's getting added for the vserver. |
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| 17:30.20 | strider | SerajewelKS: not so in the UK, i believe because of some trademark dispute |
| 17:30.24 | amphi | SerajewelKS: I have the impression it's an aesthetic preference for the shorter domain name |
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| 17:30.43 | airox | Does anybody know if I need to set some routes when I have an ip alias ? (eth0:0) |
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| 17:31.00 | RichiH | ircdevil: look for the heading in the .config? |
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| 17:31.24 | stew | airox: generally not |
| 17:31.42 | ircdevil | hm ? library routines |
| 17:31.44 | airox | I guess I'm off to do some tcpdumping then. |
| 17:31.52 | delire | RichiH: i thought i could smell hot sewing machine oil.. |
| 17:31.57 | stew | airox: how did you add the alias? |
| 17:32.01 | lilo | hmmm....you guys would get fewer of those bots with an adjustment to +J |
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| 17:32.10 | ircdevil | RichiH: thx |
| 17:32.12 | airox | stew: It got added by the vserver. |
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| 17:32.27 | airox | But I also edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:32.29 | RichiH | delire: nah, it was bots |
| 17:32.36 | airox | And it seems to be using the alias I have put into it. |
| 17:32.37 | RichiH | oi lilo |
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| 17:32.47 | delire | RichiH: right, not an attack of sewing machines. that's a relief. |
| 17:32.56 | stew | lilo: 10:22 -!- mode/#debian [+J 30,3] by LoRez \n 10:24 -!- mode/#debian [+J 25,10] by LoRez |
| 17:33.14 | lilo | stew: yeah.... +J 25,10 is a lot like not having +J on, it only catches the worst of it |
| 17:33.19 | airox | auth eth0:0 \ iface eth0:0 inet static \ address x.x.x.x \ netmask x.x.x.x |
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| 17:33.30 | RichiH | delire: indeedy |
| 17:33.35 | stew | lilo: i was just pointing out the LoRez seemed to do it, then change his mind for some reason |
| 17:34.19 | airox | A lot of K-lines around here... |
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| 17:34.22 | lilo | but we're catching 'em |
| 17:34.33 | lilo | stew: maybe to avoid false positives |
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| 17:34.39 | uriel | delire: there is still lots of polishing to do in wmii, once wmii-3 is out I hope we can stop chaning things and we just concentrate in polishing all the rough edges |
| 17:34.44 | lilo | stew: the problem is, during an attack, you just can't avoid false positives |
| 17:34.57 | j2theb | so has anyone had problems with pam_mkhomedir? I have "session required pam_mkhomedir.so" in my /etc/pam.d/login and it does nothing for local nor ldap users.. Any ideas? |
| 17:34.58 | azeem | 19:13 < dondelelcaro> it should be 25,10 |
| 17:35.01 | azeem | 19:17 < dondelelcaro> 30,3 is too small |
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| 17:35.19 | lilo | azeem: ah....yeah....we can offer the features, we can't beat people over the head to use 'em right 8) |
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| 17:35.32 | lilo | there are generally very few false positives with 30,3, and it actually protects you |
| 17:35.36 | azeem | just pointing it out, I have no idea what those figures mean :) |
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| 17:35.41 | matadon | j2theb: You might also want to look at autodir; and, if you're coming in over SSH, you can't use privilege separation. |
| 17:36.03 | matadon | j2theb: Plus SSH doesn't look at login, IIRC. |
| 17:36.12 | lilo | azeem: approximately: average joins one per 30 seconds, with a fudge factor of an extra 3 users, which takes 90 seconds of inactivity to catch up |
| 17:36.42 | lilo | azeem: it looks small, but it works pretty well almost all the time |
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| 17:37.35 | j2theb | matadon, I've read that about ssh and turned it off. But I do not believe I have gotten to that point as it does nothing if I login at console or su to the user, etc. I also put it in */ssh and */common-session. I have not looked at autodir at all though. |
| 17:37.47 | lilo | where do they get the idea these bots will get them somewhere? most of our users don't even see the messages |
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| 17:38.30 | Gnea | lilo: they smoking too many drugs |
| 17:38.31 | matadon | j2theb: Try chmod 777 /home (for testing be sure to change it back!) and see if it works then. |
| 17:38.34 | delire | uriel: i look forward to wmii-3.. i will gladly test and report. |
| 17:38.57 | matadon | j2theb: Either way, look into autodir if you can; it's based on autofs, so it isn't PAM-dependent. |
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| 17:39.33 | matadon | j2theb: (I have to use pam_mkhomedir because of an idiot vendor...death to Virtuozzo!) |
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| 17:39.55 | jade | lilo: good point, how do we find out what info the bots provide? |
| 17:40.02 | jjazz | lilo: What messages? |
| 17:40.33 | j2theb | did that too :(. Though if that was the issue I should see a pam error shouldn't I(because I don't)? I can for sure use autodir as an alternative and will do so. Thanks for the reccomendation. I just though pam_mkhomedir would be simpler since it integrates with pam. Now i'm just kinda pissed I can't get it to work and wanna figure it out ;) |
| 17:40.51 | j2theb | metadone: so you reccomend autodir for sure though? |
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| 17:41.00 | fas3r__ | do you know if it's possible to allow acces on phpmyadmin just for select ip ? |
| 17:41.00 | Niacin | anyone here ever booted debian on the cobalt qube3? |
| 17:41.05 | SerajewelKS | lilo: i just figured the join floods were just to annoy us, possibly launched by a disgruntled user. |
| 17:41.05 | matadon | j2theb: PAM tends to lot log much, which is really irritating. |
| 17:41.07 | tricky | hi i run debian/stable and im curious about what verison of glibc is installed, also whats the name of the glib c package? |
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| 17:41.27 | SerajewelKS | tricky: libc iirc |
| 17:41.38 | fas3r__ | tricky, it's libc6 |
| 17:41.40 | matadon | j2theb: Yeah, I'd recommend autodir; it's more complicated to set up, but it works in a lot of cases where pam_mkhomedir won't. |
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| 17:42.06 | matadon | j2theb: Such as, say, root typing 'cd ~luser'. |
| 17:42.07 | bbrazil | fas3r__: you could use a .htaccess |
| 17:42.21 | tricky | if i wanted to check what verion is installed then? |
| 17:42.31 | fas3r__ | bbrazil, yes i use a .htaccess ... but i'm curius ;) |
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| 17:42.44 | greyson | I've got a pty that won't go away.... no processes attached. Is there a way to get the system to stop listing it in 'who'? |
| 17:43.00 | j2theb | metadon: cool. I'll look into that instead. It does sound like a better option. Thanks!! |
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| 17:43.30 | bbrazil | fas3r__: if phpmyadmin doesn't have the feature, you could code it in, but .htaccess is probably better |
| 17:43.34 | lexan | how do i change the port my ssh daemon is listening to? |
| 17:43.41 | matadon | j2theb: NP. |
| 17:43.53 | fas3r__ | bbrazil, yes but twice is great ;) |
| 17:43.53 | bbrazil | lexan: change the Port setting |
| 17:43.59 | fas3r__ | thank bbrazil |
| 17:44.10 | lexan | ok. what file? |
| 17:44.23 | bbrazil | fas3r__: you could use mod_rewrite too |
| 17:44.25 | junix|work | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1779 could someone take a look at that? |
| 17:44.26 | jjazz | lexan: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:44.30 | cisse | lexan: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:45.07 | fas3r__ | mod_rewrite it's apache no ? |
| 17:45.15 | cisse | yes |
| 17:45.18 | lexan | thanks |
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| 17:46.15 | Gnea | junix|work: looks fine |
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| 17:46.42 | jade | i attempted to cd to a subdir on a mounted drive, and response was '-bash: cd: img/: Permission denied', permission for subdirectory based on chmod info is a+rw. uid is in same group as owner and group of owning user. anyone know how to resolve? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1781 |
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| 17:47.13 | DecCode | HI |
| 17:47.14 | DecCode | i have a server and have a lot of users so when i get 1400 conections i cannot connect to a server ssh, the site doesnt open in browser. i have recompiled and change the limit to unlimited -n |
| 17:47.27 | cisse | jade: you need +x on directory to cd into it |
| 17:47.44 | jade | cisse, why is that? |
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| 17:47.47 | Gnea | jade: yeah, only the user who owns it (mysql) can change to it because it's only executable on the user level |
| 17:48.00 | Niacin | hmm after i run debootstrap.. i'm trying to setup the mbr with lilo and i get Fatal: Kernel /vmlinuz is too big |
| 17:48.02 | Niacin | any ideas? |
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| 17:48.19 | jade | thanks |
| 17:48.27 | Gnea | jade: should be able to read it as root tho |
| 17:48.31 | tricky | I get the following error trying to install a app - The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
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| 17:49.54 | jade | Gnea, why can i not chmod a+x as uid jcorrales, but only as uid mysql or root? |
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| 17:50.22 | pentium451 | I wish I had time to file a bug report! on my 486 laptop: 'links2 -g' returns "Illegal instruction" |
| 17:50.29 | *** mode/#debian [+J 30,3] by LoRez |
| 17:51.16 | RichiH | fuckers |
| 17:51.16 | pentium451 | jade: permissions on the dir it's in? |
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| 17:51.23 | zinx | TELES, DREAMBEAU, ... |
| 17:51.26 | Gnea | jade: cuz mysql owns it. you'll have to chown it and chmod it - 755 shoudl work |
| 17:51.40 | Gnea | hey, now those are some results |
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| 17:52.06 | jade | pentium451, im not in the directory, wanted to 'chmod a+x img' |
| 17:52.09 | bltzfsck | i have an h/p photosmart connected to my debian sarge box, and when i try to print from a graphical app, it just spits out blank pages, and when i lpr a text file it does the stairstep thing. what's the best doc for getting printing working? |
| 17:52.20 | Gnea | jade: chmod 755 img |
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| 17:52.37 | [Cadet] | bltzfsck: Use cups |
| 17:52.42 | jjazz | bltzfsck: linuxprinting.org |
| 17:52.51 | bltzfsck | [Cadet]: i've been trying |
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| 17:53.14 | bltzfsck | i installed it all, with the right driver |
| 17:53.34 | jjazz | bltzfsck: did you apt-get install hpijs? |
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| 17:53.37 | bltzfsck | is there a troubleshooting faq or howto |
| 17:53.42 | bltzfsck | jjazz yep |
| 17:53.44 | jjazz | bltzfsck: did you apt-get install hplip? |
| 17:53.52 | Gnea | batter up |
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| 17:56.25 | bltzfsck | jjazz: in the process |
| 17:56.29 | bltzfsck | what is it? |
| 17:57.16 | jjazz | bltzfsck: It's mainly ppd files for the hp printers. |
| 17:57.29 | bltzfsck | what's ppd? |
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| 17:58.08 | kspath | afraid to use google or other ? |
| 17:58.14 | {MSX} | hi :P what's the fastest way to tell if a system has installed Sarge or Sid ? |
| 17:58.40 | Ronin | {MSX}: check /etc/apt/sources.list is one way |
| 17:59.03 | {MSX} | umm it contains "unstable" |
| 17:59.06 | {MSX} | is that sid, right ? |
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| 17:59.10 | Ronin | that would be sid |
| 17:59.22 | {MSX} | ok! |
| 17:59.23 | jjazz | bltzfsck: It's all explained on linuxprinting.org, but essentially the ppd tells about the printer's capabilities. |
| 17:59.29 | {MSX} | thanks, very helpful :) |
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| 18:00.05 | bltzfsck | ok, i have 'em now so i'll try again |
| 18:00.06 | bltzfsck | thx |
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| 18:02.07 | keith80403 | How to tell which CD has a particular package when using apt-cache search foobar ? |
| 18:02.37 | StyXman | hi all. I'm trying to setup a nis server. I can yp test from localhost, but not from remote client. all I get is: ping host 'mail.fcq.unc.edu.ar', domain 'fcq.unc.edu.ar'; host 'mail.fcq.unc.edu.ar' doesn't answer. |
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| 18:05.02 | PlutoniumDragon | I have a nforce 4 board (ABIT AN8 Ultra) with a CK804 SATA chipset... I've loaded the sata_nv module but hdparm still tells me my drive is not using DMA and fails when I try to set it to use DMA... has anyone got any idea what module I need to load ? |
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| 18:05.44 | abrotman | does sata work with hdparm? or is it more like scsi? |
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| 18:06.27 | cisse | hdparm works somewhat with sata |
| 18:06.43 | cisse | i don't think you can set dma modes and such with it |
| 18:06.46 | PlutoniumDragon | Ah |
| 18:06.48 | PlutoniumDragon | :) |
| 18:07.15 | cisse | what kernel are you using |
| 18:07.29 | cisse | looks like that driver was added in 2.4.27 and 2.6.7 |
| 18:07.33 | abrotman | !tell keith80403 about cd contents |
| 18:07.40 | PlutoniumDragon | cisee: The latest stable |
| 18:07.46 | cisse | uname -r |
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| 18:10.59 | Usiu | HI |
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| 18:11.28 | Usiu | Anybody experiencing proglems with plugin eclipseme on debian ?? |
| 18:12.29 | kingsley | Is MAXARGS the maximum number of arguments that can be passed to a program on the command line? |
| 18:13.08 | abrotman | man bash doesn't say ? |
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| 18:14.22 | starfishy | kingsley: it would help to know what program you found this MAXARGS in |
| 18:14.32 | starfishy | i know of a preprocessor macro MAXARGS |
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| 18:14.46 | starfishy | thats somewhere in the kernel, but in rather obscure places |
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| 18:15.27 | None | question: whicj debian package contain configure? |
| 18:15.36 | abrotman | contains what? |
| 18:15.48 | None | configure for compiling source |
| 18:15.54 | abrotman | you mean .. like ./configure ? |
| 18:15.55 | strider | None: none |
| 18:16.21 | None | what do I need to be able to do it then? |
| 18:16.26 | abrotman | type ./configure |
| 18:17.01 | None | heh, tried configure without ./ :-( |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | good job |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | None: what are you compiling? |
| 18:17.51 | None | quictime4linux |
| 18:17.54 | Rawplayer | in which direction should i search when i want to reject emails where the date is older then one day in sendmail |
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| 18:18.08 | abrotman | #sendmail ? |
| 18:18.22 | Rawplayer | still waiting for an awnser there :-) |
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| 18:19.53 | abrotman | Rawplayer: google ? |
| 18:19.58 | zulu42 | is kde or gnome a mandatory to have firefox working fine? cause I have a bug in firefox (size of the police for application menu and page button are huUUuge) I tried to run gtkfontsel to see if gtk can get font for the system, I check I had the xfonts-100dpi installed etc... an ID? |
| 18:20.36 | azeem | zulu42: not kde |
| 18:20.49 | azeem | zulu42: and not gnome either, in general |
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| 18:20.53 | abrotman | not gnome .. though there is a package fro gnome/firefox interoperability |
| 18:21.21 | azeem | zulu42: what do you mean with "size of the police"? |
| 18:21.23 | zulu42 | I'm sure I miss important package cause nobody seems to have this bug... |
| 18:21.42 | azeem | zulu42: what desktop environment are you running? And what version of Debian? |
| 18:21.46 | zulu42 | I mean that every thing written in the application (not the page police) is huge |
| 18:21.56 | zulu42 | no desktop I just use sawfish |
| 18:22.07 | patterson | userchrome ? |
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| 18:22.11 | ft | zulu42: you can setup the UI fonts via userChrome.css |
| 18:22.17 | zulu42 | that's why I suppose i miss an important package |
| 18:22.18 | azeem | zulu42: so you mean the File, Edit, etc. menu items, and so on? |
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| 18:22.27 | zulu42 | exactly |
| 18:22.28 | ft | zulu42: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html |
| 18:22.29 | strider | zulu42: if everything is huge, check the dpi |
| 18:22.53 | zulu42 | this happened since I switched to 1600x1280 |
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| 18:23.14 | tomplast | hi |
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| 18:23.25 | tomplast | does anyone know if its possible to make sony handycams work in linux? |
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| 18:23.41 | zulu42 | ok I linked to the link I will try to move things in css thx for support |
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| 18:24.07 | zulu42 | but this is a bug :) |
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| 18:27.50 | mboso | what's the name of the file that tells you what debian version you're using? |
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| 18:27.55 | mboso | i forget where its located |
| 18:28.12 | strider | /etc/debian_version? |
| 18:28.42 | mboso | strider: yeah. thanks |
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| 18:29.24 | punterfpc | never used IRC before... |
| 18:29.35 | punterfpc | what are the benefits? |
| 18:30.05 | PumpkinPie | well |
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| 18:30.08 | keith80403 | tomplast, Yes, i have a 6 year old Sony cam that works - look for a program called dvgrab - it dumps to avi files using a firewire card. |
| 18:30.10 | [2am] | hey all |
| 18:30.11 | punterfpc | sorry for my n00b-ness |
| 18:30.12 | [2am] | non-debian related |
| 18:30.15 | PumpkinPie | I doubt theres a debian channel on yahoo chat |
| 18:30.17 | Ronin | punterfpc: carpel tunnel, bad vision, headaches from being on itall hours |
| 18:30.18 | [2am] | but wondering what people are using for anti-spam these days |
| 18:30.27 | [2am] | (spamass/dspam/greylist....) |
| 18:30.36 | punterfpc | excellente, just what I need |
| 18:30.49 | resiak | !tell [2am] -about polls |
| 18:30.55 | punterfpc | has anyone installed the new KDE build? |
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| 18:31.00 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 18:31.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:31.04 | punterfpc | haha |
| 18:31.25 | punterfpc | what do you prefer to use? gnome? |
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| 18:31.37 | [2am] | hmmm |
| 18:31.39 | priyank | hey, where do i install new fonts ? |
| 18:31.50 | nvz | punterfpc: start a blog or something.. this isnt a place to take polls |
| 18:31.58 | nvz | punterfpc: if you have specific questions just ask |
| 18:32.01 | junix|work | Gnea: you there? |
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| 18:32.43 | punterfpc | ok, thanks, just kinda getting aquainted to the irc thing. I wasn't really sure of it's purpose |
| 18:32.48 | punterfpc | thanks for clearing it up for me |
| 18:32.51 | priyank | i installed a font, but xfontsel doesnt show it.. |
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| 18:33.09 | punterfpc | channel <#ubuntu> |
| 18:33.35 | priyank | hmm |
| 18:33.47 | delire | priyank: register it with defoma-font |
| 18:33.48 | nvz | man I am not eating at dennys anymore |
| 18:33.57 | delire | what is "denny's"? |
| 18:34.00 | nvz | oh gawd it smells in here |
| 18:34.14 | nvz | its a resturant |
| 18:34.22 | delire | oh.. |
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| 18:34.30 | nvz | where I had breakfast that apperently gave me hurrendous gas |
| 18:34.38 | priyank | delire: defoma-font register <location of the font> ? |
| 18:34.51 | ircdevil | anyone into wpa_supplicant - i cant get it working ... |
| 18:34.53 | delire | nvz: slightly too much information, but informative nonetheless.. |
| 18:34.58 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.08 | delire | priyank: yes, give tht a go.. |
| 18:35.14 | priyank | delire: doesnt work. |
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| 18:35.41 | strider | register the hints, i think |
| 18:35.51 | delire | priyank: priyank make sure the suffix of the font is not in caps and yeah, register the hints.. |
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| 18:36.11 | priyank | delire: sorry, but i dont know what is hints.. |
| 18:36.25 | delire | believe it or not *.TTF's are often not picked up on my machines, yet *.ttf's are.. |
| 18:37.09 | thingfish | easy to believe, though. |
| 18:37.20 | delire | priyank: do you have a *.hints file? |
| 18:37.23 | junix|work | i'm having a problem with apache and php, apache is asking me to save the phph files instead of opening them in the browser |
| 18:37.24 | priyank | nope |
| 18:37.30 | strider | priyank: man defoma-hints to generate hints and register them using defoma-font |
| 18:37.39 | priyank | junix|work: you need to install the php module for apache |
| 18:37.43 | priyank | strider: ok.. |
| 18:37.45 | delire | priyank: generally i just bang them in /usr/share/fonts and it works.. else i have to produce the hints using defoma. |
| 18:37.55 | junix|work | priyank: which would be..... |
| 18:38.04 | priyank | delire: what do you do after putting them into /usr/share/fotns ? |
| 18:38.21 | strider | priyank: which WM or DE? |
| 18:38.24 | delire | priyank: strider just gave you the correct answer.. |
| 18:38.26 | priyank | junix|work: whas your apache version ? |
| 18:38.29 | priyank | strider: Openbox |
| 18:38.35 | junix|work | 1.3.33 |
| 18:38.36 | priyank | delire: ooh |
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| 18:38.39 | zulu42 | when apt-file search afile show a package, does this package is installed or installable? |
| 18:38.41 | Nafai | I'm trying to use the update-manager program to do my system updates and when it installs the software, the very first line in the drop down terminal window is "Unknown frontend: gtk" Any idea what that might be? I've googled and checked the bts but can't find anything |
| 18:38.45 | delire | strider: could he use some gnomey or kde font manager? |
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| 18:38.56 | priyank | junix|work: apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 18:39.07 | junix|work | i ahve php4 on there |
| 18:39.07 | strider | both Gnome and KDE make it easy |
| 18:39.13 | zulu42 | when `apt-file search afile' shows a package, is this package installed or installable? |
| 18:39.17 | priyank | junix|work: libapache-mod-php4 then |
| 18:39.29 | priyank | zulu42: installable / installed both |
| 18:39.39 | zulu42 | how to differentiate? |
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| 18:39.51 | SimonRaven | zulu42: availability, nothing more. dpkg will show if it's installed or not |
| 18:39.51 | priyank | zulu42: im no expert at apt ;) |
| 18:39.53 | junix|work | priyank: its alrady installed |
| 18:40.02 | zulu42 | oki |
| 18:40.06 | priyank | junix|work: then, is it enabled in your httpd.conf ? |
| 18:40.06 | lakcaj | no its not |
| 18:40.12 | junix|work | how do i do that? |
| 18:40.20 | RogueDopple | with fairy dust |
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| 18:40.33 | lakcaj | zulu42, apt-file searches all available packages, installed or not, for files which exist within those packages |
| 18:40.49 | priyank | junix|work: look for httpd.conf in /etc/apache maybe |
| 18:40.57 | moprilo | hi everyone.. I have my t41 running debian. And have dual head, not yet configured. I was wondering, is xinerma able to have the 2 monitors work'n as 1 desktop? |
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| 18:41.04 | junix|work | priyank: where in the file.... |
| 18:41.12 | priyank | strider: what should be the category ? |
| 18:41.16 | lakcaj | zulu42, "apt-cache search " searches for package names, installed are not, that are available to you |
| 18:41.18 | priyank | junix|work: i dont know ;) |
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| 18:41.32 | lakcaj | zulu42, to list all installed packages, try dpkg -l |
| 18:41.41 | zulu42 | ok |
| 18:42.20 | priyank | strider: nm, got it ;) |
| 18:42.27 | coolcubix_ | Hi all ! I have a probleme while loading a kernel i have just compiled. The .config i use is strongly made from the .config of a bootable kernel I run. So when i run the kernel i've compiled myself, i have a kernel panic saying it can't mount DEVFS. So I just made another 'make xconfig', and i have lots of errors saying it can't "assign nonexistent symbol DEVFS_FS". I have lots of errors about this. And when i loo |
| 18:42.27 | coolcubix_ | k for DEVFS in my xconfig window, there is no box where i can enable DEVFS... Any ideas ? |
| 18:42.49 | SimonRaven | disable devfs |
| 18:42.51 | strider | priyank: depends, truetype for truetype fonts, type1 and so on |
| 18:42.54 | priyank | strider: a problem.. |
| 18:42.59 | priyank | strider: defoma-hints truetype dungeon.ttf |
| 18:42.59 | priyank | Wait for second... |
| 18:42.59 | priyank | defoma-hints Can't locate FreeType.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 4) line 2. |
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| 18:43.20 | SimonRaven | priyank: so install it |
| 18:43.25 | priyank | SimonRaven: install what ? |
| 18:43.26 | dw_ | Hi guys, I'm having a little trouble getting to grips with the tc command -- I was wondering if anyone could offer some help |
| 18:43.34 | dw_ | I'm trying to restrict my upload rate to 700 kb/sec |
| 18:43.37 | SimonRaven | FreeType.pm |
| 18:43.37 | strider | priyank: see if you have libft-perl libttf2 |
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| 18:44.00 | priyank | strider: installing. |
| 18:44.07 | UltraSub | does debian have a mem limit? I went from 750M to a new mobo (nforce4) and 2GB, bios says 2GB dual chan, but debian says only 1GB.... |
| 18:44.12 | UltraSub | do i need to change something? |
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| 18:44.55 | amphi | UltraSub: you need bigmem support in your kernel perhaps |
| 18:45.03 | SimonRaven | himem |
| 18:45.13 | UltraSub | aaaah ok |
| 18:45.21 | strider | UltraSub: check .config for highmem |
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| 18:45.24 | UltraSub | will need to recompile anyway, its an amd64 |
| 18:45.25 | abrotman | UltraSub: uname -r |
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| 18:45.32 | abrotman | rather |
| 18:45.33 | abrotman | UltraSub: uname -a |
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| 18:45.55 | UltraSub | abrotman: Linux viper 2.6.8-050107 #1 Fri Jan 7 20:40:28 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:46.04 | abrotman | that's your own kernel .. that's not a debiano ne |
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| 18:46.09 | abrotman | debian one |
| 18:46.10 | UltraSub | i know |
| 18:46.20 | abrotman | UltraSub: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 k8 .. install that one |
| 18:46.24 | BlueLaguna | where can I find a list of the official apt-get repositories? |
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| 18:46.35 | tomplast | guys, expert hardware help needed |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | BlueLaguna: apt-setup .. or debian.org/mirrors |
| 18:46.42 | RogueDopple | he he |
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| 18:46.56 | UltraSub | abrotman: k8? no 64 bits kernel? or does the latter mean trouble? :) |
| 18:46.59 | tomplast | i wanna get my sony handycam working in linux |
| 18:47.04 | BlueLaguna | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:48.11 | gnufan | tomplast: whats the problem with it -- is that the one with a firewire interface? |
| 18:48.14 | abrotman | UltraSub: it is 64bit |
| 18:48.26 | abrotman | UltraSub: or "/msg dpkg amd64" for pure64 |
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| 18:48.57 | UltraSub | abrotman: ok, thanks... don't need to change something else for that kernel? mean reinstalling apps and so on.. |
| 18:49.00 | UltraSub | ok thanks! |
| 18:49.04 | UltraSub | will look into it |
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| 18:50.04 | SerajewelKS | how would i ask ssh to not check/modify known_hosts? i can't find the option on the manpage. |
| 18:50.35 | SerajewelKS | of course i do want it to display the fingerprint so i can manually verify it |
| 18:51.23 | abrotman | you memorize ssh fignerprints? |
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| 18:51.45 | Uriel_Darling | Anyone there? |
| 18:51.47 | delire | hehe |
| 18:51.53 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well it's tricky |
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| 18:52.06 | Uriel_Darling | I have a bundled question to ask.... |
| 18:52.12 | abrotman | !ask |
| 18:52.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:52.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: one of my boxen is behind NAT. i will be leaving it but still want ssh access, so before i leave i'm setting up a -R tunnel. |
| 18:52.24 | BlueLaguna | how do I remove the cdrom sources? |
| 18:52.36 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: so i will be doing on the other end (the public server) `ssh -p the-port me@localhost` |
| 18:52.44 | gnufan | SerajewelKS: "man ssh" suggests you can use -o and specific a known_hosts file - try /dev/null maybe -- sounds like a good way to break things to me. |
| 18:52.46 | Uriel_Darling | I want to download the net install iso |
| 18:52.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and 'localhost' has an entry |
| 18:52.51 | vin` | Linux version 2.6.16-rc2-foo (root@air) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060128 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-8)) #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 9 19:57:36 AST 2006 \o/ |
| 18:52.52 | delire | BlueLaguna: remove them from /etc/apt/sources.list or use an interface like synaptic to assist. |
| 18:52.52 | Uriel_Darling | 3 minutes left to go ^_^ |
| 18:52.54 | strider | BlueLaguna: edit your sources.list |
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| 18:52.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's a different localhost ;) |
| 18:53.04 | Uriel_Darling | and it will have apt right? |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:53.16 | strider | Uriel_Darling: yes, ofcourse |
| 18:53.16 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:53.16 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 18:53.20 | Uriel_Darling | and, will it have x ? |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | no |
| 18:53.26 | abrotman | you'll have to install that |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | Uriel_Darling: kde/gnome/something else? |
| 18:53.36 | Uriel_Darling | does it take a configuring? |
| 18:53.39 | Uriel_Darling | flucbox |
| 18:53.44 | Uriel_Darling | fluxbox** |
| 18:53.46 | tomplast | gnufire: both |
| 18:53.51 | abrotman | Uriel_Darling: apt-get install xdm fluxbox x-window-system-core |
| 18:53.51 | BlueLaguna | delire & strider: thanks |
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| 18:54.07 | Uriel_Darling | that would be all i need for a basic system? |
| 18:54.08 | vin` | yet, my usb wifi dongle won't work and my pcmcia is busted, so no mobility. ;-/ |
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| 18:54.15 | delire | Uriel_Darling: then edit ~/.xinitrc to include the line "exec fluxbox" |
| 18:54.19 | tomplast | gnufire: but i have never got the firewire to work. if its possible through usb i would be happy |
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| 18:54.23 | abrotman | Uriel_Darling: browsers/etc that you might want |
| 18:54.27 | Uriel_Darling | nano right? |
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| 18:54.35 | uriel | ahummm... |
| 18:54.36 | abrotman | if not .. install it |
| 18:54.45 | abrotman | Uriel: having fun? :) |
| 18:54.47 | Uriel_Darling | apt nano ? |
| 18:54.49 | apt | it has been said that nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 |
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| 18:54.58 | abrotman | Uriel_Darling: apt-get install nano |
| 18:55.03 | Uriel_Darling | ok |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | !tell Uriel_Darling about grounding |
| 18:55.12 | Uriel_Darling | X_x |
| 18:55.22 | Uriel_Darling | No grounding I've been a good boy |
| 18:55.25 | Uriel_Darling | lol |
| 18:55.29 | tomplast | gnufan? |
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| 18:55.46 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I have got one big tar.gz archive. Is it possible to untar only some/directory/there from that tar.gz? I mean without extracting the whole archive.. |
| 18:55.48 | Uriel_Darling | see I've been useing Damn Small Linux, and well i kinda don't want it |
| 18:55.53 | tomplast | people :'( |
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| 18:55.59 | gnufan | tomplast: brb |
| 18:56.02 | tomplast | oki |
| 18:56.07 | tomplast | gnufan: thank you:) |
| 18:56.17 | bbrazil | hid3: yes: tar -xzf x.tar.gz file |
| 18:56.18 | Uriel_Darling | I love debian ^_^ |
| 18:56.33 | ircdevil | hid3: i beleave so. it would be in the man page |
| 18:56.39 | hid3 | thanks. |
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| 18:57.30 | Uriel_Darling | So, X server will install, but no need to configure anything? And do i have to apt-get anything to be able to set my resalution |
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| 18:58.02 | Uriel_Darling | Xvesa i think, is what i need X_x |
| 18:58.39 | BucWheat | how can i disable ntpdate from running at startup. the computer does not have an internet connection and it takes 5min for ntpdate to timeout |
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| 18:59.01 | kspath | !hate_smite uriel |
| 18:59.03 | BucWheat | when the computer comes in for service i can do a manual ntpdate |
| 18:59.03 | delire | Uriel_Darling: IMO just go with the vesa driver initially, with a screen of 1024x768 and DefaultDepth of 16. tune /etc/X11/xorg.conf from there.. |
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| 18:59.10 | lakcaj | BucWheat, update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove |
| 18:59.13 | Uriel_Darling | oh yes, what would be better, debian stable, or testing? |
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| 18:59.36 | delire | Uriel_Darling: for a server, stable. |
| 18:59.49 | Uriel_Darling | I know the names speak for them selfs, but i wanna know from the ones who use it ^_^ |
| 18:59.57 | ircdevil | Uriel_Darling: stable |
| 19:00.05 | kspath | stable |
| 19:00.05 | delire | Uriel_Darling: if you have time and are the foolish impatient type (like me) use testing. |
| 19:00.06 | Uriel_Darling | Ok, thanks ^_^ |
| 19:00.08 | ircdevil | Uriel_Darling: unless you have lots of special hardware |
| 19:00.27 | ircdevil | Uriel_Darling: but you can always upgrade easily, once you know whats it all about |
| 19:00.29 | BucWheat | lakcaj thanks. i'm rebooting now to see the diff. |
| 19:00.30 | Uriel_Darling | I was think stable, but wouldn't hurt to ask around ^_^ |
| 19:00.34 | strider | another vote for stable! |
| 19:00.41 | Uriel_Darling | thinking* |
| 19:00.41 | gnufan | tomplast: what is the problem with the camera? |
| 19:00.41 | ircdevil | !beer strider |
| 19:00.54 | strider | !woot |
| 19:00.54 | dpkg | i heard woot is an expression of joy. Also spelled w00t. |
| 19:00.56 | kspath | !bier stable |
| 19:01.19 | delire | try game development on Debian stable.. |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | delire: SDL! |
| 19:01.51 | delire | or making music for that matter.. |
| 19:01.51 | Uriel_Darling | I should have just asked this,is there like a full how too somewhere? |
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| 19:02.00 | delire | abrotman: yes but which version ;) |
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| 19:02.12 | abrotman | delire: dunno .. but audacity is decent for mixing tracks |
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| 19:02.15 | dw_ | Anyone have any idea on how I could restrict my upload rate to, say, 700KB/sec ? |
| 19:02.19 | dw_ | been searching all over, and can't figure it out |
| 19:02.23 | delire | abrotman: shame it doesn't play nice with ALSA. |
| 19:02.25 | abrotman | !info trickle sarge |
| 19:02.27 | Uriel_Darling | restrict? |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | delire: news to me ... |
| 19:02.32 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 19:02.35 | BucWheat | lakcaj do i need MTA to start at boot time as well? this is another service that slows down the boot process |
| 19:02.41 | abrotman | dw_: ^^ |
| 19:02.45 | Uriel_Darling | for whats reason if you don't mind me asking dw_ |
| 19:02.54 | BucWheat | lakcaj it is just sitting on Starting MTA: .... |
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| 19:03.07 | BucWheat | lakcaj if i remove this from startup what would be the consequences? |
| 19:03.14 | gnufan | dw_: the lartc howto says how to limit outgoing traffic |
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| 19:03.28 | kspath | lartc.org is having issues |
| 19:03.30 | dw_ | gnufan: whereabouts? I can't see it |
| 19:03.41 | dw_ | abrotman: oh? Will that do the job you think? |
| 19:03.53 | ircdevil | i need someone to go over my wlan config. something is bad, but i cant figure what it is. please line up. |
| 19:03.58 | lakcaj | BucWheat, there are some applications that use a MTA to send you messages about their activity. I've removed exim4 (the mta) before and not noticed anything negative <shrug> |
| 19:04.07 | ircdevil | http://pastebin.com/547021 |
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| 19:04.17 | Uriel_Darling | There a list of packages contained on the full install disc? |
| 19:04.19 | tomplast | gnufan: sorry :xp: |
| 19:04.27 | tomplast | gnufan: i have no ping sound in my irc client :/ |
| 19:04.28 | dw_ | kspath: you could use this for now http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:6gBmwaWY-bcJ:lartc.org/lartc.html+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | dw_: try it and see ? |
| 19:04.50 | tomplast | gnufan: i want to be able to use it as a webcam or something like that |
| 19:05.09 | Uriel_Darling | i got space, a 40 gig HD, just not the cpu or ram to run kde nor gnome. I must use fluxbox. |
| 19:05.10 | dw_ | abrotman: will do; downloading now |
| 19:05.29 | Uriel_Darling | and i got a decent conection for it's no biggie ^_^ |
| 19:05.33 | delire | Uriel_Darling: or wmii, ion3, openbox, blackbox, xfce |
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| 19:05.47 | delire | in that order of excellence.. |
| 19:05.47 | coolcubix_ | does someone know how to fix a bug like : .config:2846:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol DEVFS_FS |
| 19:05.50 | coolcubix_ | . |
| 19:05.51 | coolcubix_ | ? |
| 19:06.05 | gnufan | tomplast: consider yourself lucky I'm fitting a plug to my computer at the moment |
| 19:06.06 | amphi | delire: ;) |
| 19:06.07 | kspath | dw_: just pointing out to those that do not know or did not notice. I did not need anything at lartc.org thanks though. |
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| 19:06.32 | delire | amphi: just setting the record straight.. |
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| 19:06.45 | BucWheat | lakcaj mta (exim4) should not have an effect on applications reporting to /var/logs/ would it? like apache, mysql log, etc. |
| 19:06.48 | dw_ | kspath: oh ok, sure. |
| 19:06.50 | Uriel_Darling | WTF... |
| 19:06.53 | Uriel_Darling | ummm |
| 19:06.54 | tomplast | gnufan: so what should i do? |
| 19:07.00 | dw_ | gnufan: could you give me any pointers? It's a fairly large document. |
| 19:07.02 | Uriel_Darling | theres like 10 cds to it.. |
| 19:07.27 | Gnea | 10 cds to what? |
| 19:07.27 | Uriel_Darling | Would i need them all to just do the basics? |
| 19:07.36 | Uriel_Darling | ftp://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:07.54 | Gnea | Uriel_Darling: heh, do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 19:08.16 | Uriel_Darling | i'm only getting about 60Kbs down right now |
| 19:08.23 | Gnea | from where? |
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| 19:08.27 | delire | Uriel_Darling: just grab the first CD. or even a netinstaller |
| 19:08.28 | Gnea | that site? |
| 19:08.44 | strider | !tell Uriel_Darling about d-i |
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| 19:08.55 | Uriel_Darling | i got the netinstaller, i think i'll just apt-get it all ^_^ |
| 19:09.01 | fas3r_ | cron is execute when computer start no ? |
| 19:09.26 | sascha_ | if you want |
| 19:09.27 | DevilChaos | this may seem a silly question but how do i view source code of packages and apps and such like? |
| 19:09.27 | gnufan | dw_: read about the HTB qdisc and the tc command -- I have made my own traffic shaper, it wasn't so scary... |
| 19:09.33 | Uriel_Darling | I'm going to write it all down now, i thank you for your help guys. |
| 19:09.36 | dw_ | abrotman: installed and running, but it doesn't seem to be affecting my upload rate yet. Do you think I need to restart eth0 or something? |
| 19:09.41 | Uriel_Darling | Thank you very much ^_^ |
| 19:10.04 | dw_ | gnufan: I'm not that well versed in linux; the tc man page looked very daunting to me :( |
| 19:10.09 | dw_ | any help would really be appreciated |
| 19:10.19 | tomplast | gnufan: gnufan :'( |
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| 19:10.56 | Gnea | Uriel_Darling: ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ <-- try that site, might be faster |
| 19:11.09 | Uriel_Darling | wait one more question lol, will it pick up my connection or do i have to configure my ppoe info? |
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| 19:11.34 | deadcat | Gnea: we were looking for you. we all wanted to know the repo for e17 (= |
| 19:11.47 | tomplast | oki :/ |
| 19:11.53 | tomplast | i guess that i will have to try on my own |
| 19:11.55 | tomplast | thanks anyway |
| 19:11.55 | tomplast | bye |
| 19:12.00 | DevilChaos | www.ihatemicrosoft.com |
| 19:12.10 | gnufan | dw_: it is -- basically you create a qdisc "tc disc add" create a number of classes "tc class add" and then add filters to put traffic in classes "tc filter add" ... there are some good explanations out there of the HTB qdisc... but no traffic shaping is non-trivial... is there a partical protocol you are controlling |
| 19:12.11 | deadcat | DevilChaos: no you dont |
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| 19:12.18 | DevilChaos | yes i do |
| 19:12.23 | deadcat | no you dont |
| 19:12.24 | Gnea | deadcat: haha |
| 19:12.41 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 19:12.44 | DevilChaos | yes i do |
| 19:12.49 | Uriel_Darling | Anyone know?... |
| 19:12.50 | delire | do you? |
| 19:12.51 | deadcat | what os you using right now? |
| 19:12.53 | DevilChaos | why dont i? |
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| 19:13.10 | Datrio | noob question - I have Apache2 and PHP4 installed on a Debian box, everything _should_ work (MIME type is set, module in Apache is loaded), but PHP still doesn't work |
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| 19:13.12 | DevilChaos | debian etch 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 19:13.22 | deadcat | DevilChaos: what os you use at work? |
| 19:13.23 | gnufan | dw_: I think there are some prepackaged debian scripts... |
| 19:13.36 | Datrio | am I forgetting to set something debian-only, or is it an Apache problem? |
| 19:13.38 | DevilChaos | none im an electrician |
| 19:13.50 | dw_ | gnufan: yup, my eth0; just really need to restrict the upload rate. |
| 19:13.51 | deadcat | DevilChaos: bullshit |
| 19:13.53 | DevilChaos | and if i did id take my laptop |
| 19:14.01 | dw_ | gnufan: you think? Any idea where I might be able to get my hands on one? |
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| 19:14.10 | dw_ | gnufan: that would be really great. |
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| 19:14.16 | delire | Uriel_Darling: well it will pump for an IP, requesting one from a local DHCP server. if this is not your configuration you will need to setup a manual connection. |
| 19:14.26 | DevilChaos | why is that bullshit? |
| 19:14.36 | delire | Uriel_Darling: from memory |
| 19:14.41 | gnufan | dw_: apt-cache search traffic shaping |
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| 19:14.56 | deadcat | DevilChaos: because you're trolling here. |
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| 19:15.03 | AngelGabriel | I would like to mount a cd on a system that doesn't have a cdrom mount point defined. How do i tell which dev is the cdrom? I'm at the CLI |
| 19:15.09 | Uriel_Darling | ^_^ |
| 19:15.11 | gnufan | dw_: but why do you need to limit it? |
| 19:15.13 | DevilChaos | meanin? |
| 19:15.18 | Uriel_Darling | Thanks again delire |
| 19:15.23 | deadcat | DevilChaos: i dont know |
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| 19:15.42 | DevilChaos | why say that thwen if you dont know! |
| 19:15.46 | dw_ | gnufan: cool -- wondershaper sounds reasonable from the description. I'm going for that 8) |
| 19:15.47 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 19:15.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.52 | caravena | Hello! lmsensor found in Notebook compaq presario V2417LA? |
| 19:15.53 | DevilChaos | then |
| 19:15.55 | *** mode/#debian [+J 25,10] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:15.57 | dw_ | gnufan: it chokes my download rate a lot of the time. |
| 19:15.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:15.58 | Uriel_Darling | For the record, you guys are much more helpful then slackware guys, and gentoo guys ^_^ |
| 19:16.01 | Uriel_Darling | jerks.. |
| 19:16.02 | Uriel_Darling | lol |
| 19:16.02 | delire | DevilChaos: everyone here dislikes different operating systems. we're all well aware of that site. deadcat is over-reacting by saying your trolling, but you are getting there. |
| 19:16.05 | mz_work | AngelGabriel: if it's an IDE cdrom: dmesg|grep ATAPI |
| 19:16.18 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 19:16.27 | Gnea | Uriel_Darling: funny, we've been called jerks too :) |
| 19:16.32 | Deified | where can i find a debian iso with kernel 2.6? o.o |
| 19:16.34 | kspath | Uriel_Darling: RTFM |
| 19:16.43 | DevilChaos | actually i thought i just made that site up mustent have |
| 19:16.58 | Gnea | Deified: ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:17.03 | AngelGabriel | mz_work - blank, I think it's a scsi one |
| 19:17.10 | Deified | ty gnea |
| 19:17.12 | Deified | =p |
| 19:17.14 | Deified | tc |
| 19:17.20 | gnufan | dw_: probably just need to prioritise "ack" (for existing connections), no need to limit the rate |
| 19:17.40 | dw_ | gnufan: oh? How would I do that? |
| 19:18.17 | gnufan | dw_: can't remember - wondershaper probably knows, but you can do that one quite simply I think |
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| 19:19.43 | coax_ | is there a way to find out what gcc version there was used to compile the kernel? |
| 19:20.09 | dw_ | gnufan: hm, nothing mentioned there. Might check one of the other ones. Would be excellent if it was simple. |
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| 19:20.53 | tchize_ | Hello |
| 19:20.56 | tchize_ | i have a big problem with a debian install. I did an apt-get install k3b, it upgraded 100+ packages at the same time and ended up with a completly broken system |
| 19:20.56 | AngelGabriel | mz_work I figured it out, you put me on the right track, it was a scsi drive, and i somehow figured it from there |
| 19:21.08 | dw_ | gnufan: ah, something about it mentioned in the README, looking through now (the man page was anything but helpful unfortunately). |
| 19:21.11 | tchize_ | can't install anything now and apt-get keeps complaining i should do a apt-get -f install |
| 19:21.17 | mz_work | AngelGabriel: cool :) |
| 19:21.18 | abrotman | tchize_: welcome to unstable? :) |
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| 19:21.24 | bltzfsck | jjazz: you still there? |
| 19:21.30 | tchize_ | and lots of 'xxx depend on yyy but is not going to get installed' |
| 19:21.36 | delire | coax_: hmm. if you're compiling a module and don't know which was used for the kernel. try modprobing it and tailing dmesg. that will give you output. |
| 19:22.06 | houn | Question: Is there a package that can be installed to support playback of wmv files? |
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| 19:22.15 | tnks | I've been looking forward to some features that are in X.org 6.9. Is anyone using 6.9 in Sid? Is it buggy? |
| 19:22.18 | bltzfsck | i'm hammering away at this printing thing, and my cups error log says unable to convert file to printable format, then asks if i have ESP ghostscript installed |
| 19:22.19 | coax_ | delire, you mean modprobing the new module? |
| 19:22.19 | tchize_ | abrotman: you mean the unstable debian repository is completly broken? |
| 19:22.21 | gnufan | dw_: every assumes you only do traffic shaping once you've mastered networking, routing, and firewalls.... |
| 19:22.25 | amphi | houn: mplayer can, with the dread w32codecs |
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| 19:22.30 | bltzfsck | i have gs version 8.01 |
| 19:22.36 | delire | coax_: aside from that, i think it's stupid that the compiler (largely for size optomisation no doubt) doesn't leave a version string to be extracted from the binary later. |
| 19:22.38 | gnufan | dw_: s/every/everyone/ |
| 19:22.45 | delire | coax_: yes. |
| 19:22.52 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows some program to capture (record) the audio from microphone, in ogg format? |
| 19:23.13 | houn | amphi: Which means 3rd-party repository, right? |
| 19:23.25 | amphi | houn: yes, marillat |
| 19:23.25 | dondelelcaro | baroni: there are lots of them. ecasound will do it, FE. |
| 19:23.30 | coax | delire, thanks... i'll try that! |
| 19:23.36 | tchize_ | ok, what is the solution to get rid of those xxx depends on yyy. I can't even uninstall them, it refuses :( |
| 19:23.36 | dw_ | gnufan: bit of an annoying presumption, really, but that's what I'm finding :( |
| 19:23.43 | amphi | baroni: audacity will, I believe |
| 19:23.43 | delire | coax: good luck. |
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| 19:23.59 | baroni | dondelelcaro, amphi : thanks for your help! I'll check it! :D |
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| 19:24.20 | coolcubix_ | tchize_ #programmation |
| 19:24.24 | delire | coax: if it is a version other that the compiler you're using you can just relink /usr/bin/gcc as it's just a symlink anyway. |
| 19:25.24 | tchize | coolcubix :) |
| 19:25.34 | coolcubix_ | tchize, what says apt-get -f install ? |
| 19:25.35 | coolcubix_ | :) |
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| 19:26.56 | dw_ | gnufan: it works!!! |
| 19:27.02 | dw_ | very nice 8) |
| 19:27.35 | daride | Hi guys |
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| 19:27.42 | tchize | ok, so no one here can tell me how to resolve those xxx depends on yyyy but is not going to be installed messages? |
| 19:28.02 | daride | Is there any way that i can download linux files via putty or a other ssh client to windows? |
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| 19:28.07 | kewlcubix | tchize, what does apt-get -f install say ? |
| 19:28.33 | amphi | daride: putty as some scp client I think |
| 19:28.43 | kewlcubix | try it, it should resolve broken package. then remove your unstable repository (testing, at least) |
| 19:28.45 | dw_ | finally getting decent download rates now; this is amazing =) |
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| 19:28.58 | tchize | error in executing some subpackages |
| 19:29.04 | kewlcubix | while that i'm goin to eat, see you on #prog :) |
| 19:29.11 | daride | amphi: what is a SCP client? |
| 19:29.12 | kewlcubix | (bon courage) ;) |
| 19:29.24 | delire | tchize: i would try 'aptitude install <package>' if the output of an apt-get -f install is too brutal (eg it wants to remove X). then i would manually go through package by package looking for the one that breaks the dependency tree and find a workaround. |
| 19:29.29 | kingsley | What's the best torrent client? |
| 19:29.32 | delire | that wasn't very helpful was it. |
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| 19:29.53 | tchize | delire apt-get -f install simply states me a few packages couldn't get installed |
| 19:29.55 | tchize | and stops |
| 19:29.57 | amee2k | I use debian/3.1 and changed the command for alt+ctrl+del in my inittab to "/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -h now" but it doesn't trigger the hardware power-off after shutdown as it should (-h). what's the best way to find out why? |
| 19:29.59 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 19:30.06 | delire | tchize: believe it or not, with unstable, an 'apt-get update' an hour later may fix all your woes.. |
| 19:30.14 | vin` | kingsley: did you lose points for that poll according to your irc stats? |
| 19:30.15 | amphi | daride: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/introduction |
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| 19:30.26 | daride | thanks amphi i will read that |
| 19:30.29 | delire | tchize: go through those packages manually, trying one by one. |
| 19:30.34 | caravena | Hello |
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| 19:30.50 | delire | tchize: but yes, as abrotman says, welcome to unstable ;) |
| 19:30.53 | tchize | delire: am not sure, i think it mixed thing with an old kde and qt version, this unstable debian has not been updated since a year |
| 19:30.58 | GutterPunk | What package should I install to view videos embedded in my mozilla based browsers. I know it's a silly question :/ |
| 19:30.59 | caravena | lmsensor is compatible con notebook? http://pastebin.com/547075 |
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| 19:31.12 | keith80403 | AngelGabriel, dmesg | grep "/hd[a-z]" should tell you - the CDROM is likely /dev/hdc but check it out. |
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| 19:31.25 | delire | tchize: are you /etc/apt/sources.list sensible? you aren't mixing stable and testing for instance? |
| 19:31.44 | vin` | ktorrent |
| 19:31.51 | delire | tchize: post that file to a pastebin if in doubt. after dinner i'll have a look at it. |
| 19:32.03 | tchize | only stable and unstable in source.list, no testing |
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| 19:33.05 | houn | Hey, I'm trying to follow the directions from dpkg's <marillat key> article, but I keep getting the error "gpg: can't open `': No such file or directory" |
| 19:33.09 | starfishy | thize: mixing stable and unstable is a _very_ bad idea |
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| 19:33.22 | starfishy | potentially even worse than running pure unstable as a newbie |
| 19:33.25 | houn | I've no experience with apt and keys, anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 19:33.42 | kingsley | vin`: I suppose that depends on who you ask. The most productive person, stu, seems pretty happy. |
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| 19:34.09 | tchize | starfishy: ha didn't know, all my debian have stabe and unstable, so i can unstable only if more recent then stable |
| 19:34.11 | starfishy | houn: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 19:34.26 | starfishy | then you are running mostly an unstable system |
| 19:34.31 | bucky | houn: and /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 19:34.37 | starfishy | and you should not unless you are a very experienced sysadmin |
| 19:34.39 | abrotman | !tell tchize about sid faz |
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| 19:34.40 | abrotman | !tell tchize about sid faq |
| 19:35.00 | tchize | ok did remove the stable sources, did an apt-get update apt-get -f install but messages are still same |
| 19:35.08 | vin` | houn: also http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 19:35.47 | houn | starfishy: Ok, that's the version of apt I'm running, yeah |
| 19:35.59 | starfishy | thize: again, you should not run unstable unless you have enough experience to tackle issues like that by yourself |
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| 19:36.34 | starfishy | houn: read the documents you got pointed to, they explain how to get your keys |
| 19:36.35 | tchize | starfishy: such issue arrive only once a year on my debian installs, that's why am here |
| 19:37.01 | vin` | kingsley: azureus looks sleek, memory hog, requires java, rtorrent is good ncurses based, ktorrent is good too if you're a kde user. |
| 19:37.19 | starfishy | the issues are most likely caused by major changes to the repository |
| 19:37.29 | tchize | just trying to get some tricks, am not asking for a whole debian tutorial only, just trying to know what apt-get commands can get me out ot this problem, even if this mean reinstalling half of system packages after |
| 19:37.33 | tchize | ok |
| 19:37.34 | starfishy | if you want to run unstable you have to either live with them or know how to work around them |
| 19:37.35 | tchize | so i wait |
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| 19:37.51 | houn | starfishy: AH, figured it out. |
| 19:38.00 | starfishy | houn: what was the problem? |
| 19:38.07 | houn | I was missing the "-" at the end of the apt-key add |
| 19:38.15 | houn | ./self-slap |
| 19:38.16 | starfishy | that will do it |
| 19:38.20 | starfishy | you know what the - means? |
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| 19:38.31 | houn | Not in the slightest, hehe |
| 19:38.32 | starfishy | its a reference to stdin |
| 19:38.36 | vin` | tchize: I would upgrade all the way to sid, restart with sarge afterwards if you want to downgrade. |
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| 19:38.54 | Sirin | Hello, does anybody know of a GUI-Based Apache Configurator? |
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| 19:39.03 | starfishy | basically in a pipe the output from one command is put onto stdin for the next command in the pipe |
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| 19:39.10 | marcus_ | hi |
| 19:39.13 | tchize | vin isn't apt-get dist-upgrade suppose to do the all the way upgrade? |
| 19:39.14 | se_1_me_nqma | vetch |
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| 19:39.27 | vin` | tchize: or try aptitude |
| 19:39.28 | starfishy | and if the second command expects a filename instead of stdin you need a reference to stdin |
| 19:39.30 | starfishy | which is this - |
| 19:39.47 | Lord_Athur | hi all |
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| 19:40.16 | vin` | tchize: so did you do a dist-upgrade already? didn't follow all the way. |
| 19:40.18 | Sonny | hi I'm receiving these messages: gaf1 kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 19:40.18 | Sonny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.22 | kingsley | vin`: Thanks. |
| 19:40.26 | houn | starfishy: Ah, gotcha. Learn something new. |
| 19:40.32 | houn | =D |
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| 19:40.46 | tchize | vin` it refuses the dist-upgrade because of broken dependencies |
| 19:41.23 | Sonny | ahh, also with a beep |
| 19:41.33 | vin` | tchize: try another aptitude update and dist-upgrade |
| 19:41.40 | nookie | I have to rename many files from upper to lower case recursively. I know that I should use rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' but I don't know how should I give list of filenames fo rename |
| 19:42.01 | tchize | k retrying dist-upgrade, 25 mins pacakges downloading, be back later (laptop low on batteries) |
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| 19:42.34 | PupenoL_ | Hello. |
| 19:42.39 | PupenoL_ | I have created this rule on my server: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.199:4662", if I do telnet 192.168.0.199 4662 I get connected to the amule running on my workstation, but if I do telnet localhost 4662 I just get Connection refused. An nmap shows that local port 4662 on the server is not open, any ideas ? |
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| 19:43.44 | adonis | can you tell me please how do I change my username-password for my proftpd ? I located the line in etc/passwd that starts with ftp, what do I have to do? |
| 19:43.58 | vin` | adonis: use scp |
| 19:44.14 | adonis | whats scp ? |
| 19:44.20 | adonis | what do I do exactly |
| 19:44.21 | PupenoL_ | adonis: secure copy. |
| 19:44.28 | lpb-oberon | is there a way to make dpkg reinstall all packages so that all configuration files are overwritten? |
| 19:44.35 | PupenoL_ | adonis: also sftp, secure file transfer protocol. |
| 19:44.38 | vin` | !reinstall |
| 19:44.38 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 19:44.51 | adonis | I want to change the login info for my ftp |
| 19:44.59 | adonis | I dont want sftp or other protocol |
| 19:45.02 | PupenoL_ | adonis: man scp, man sftp, man ssh. Don't use ftp exept for anonymous connections. |
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| 19:45.45 | PupenoL_ | adonis: are you aware that ftp password travel plain text for all admins to see, store, share and crack ? |
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| 19:46.37 | adonis | I am the only admin |
| 19:46.42 | adonis | so there is no fear |
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| 19:47.03 | strider | !fear |
| 19:47.03 | dpkg | Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200308/Gamatex-1060248783.jpg |
| 19:47.52 | adonis | can I transfer a file from my dedicated server to my pc via sftp? |
| 19:48.10 | nfluvial | Hi. Quick question: I'm using firestarter from sarge, and have set it up to block bittorrent traffic. But when i tell it to not show it at all, it ignores that and still shows a lot of blocked hits. Is it something i'm doing wrong, or a bug? |
| 19:48.39 | PupenoL_ | adonis: yes, of course, if both your server and your pc can talk sftp or course. All sane stable operating systems can talk sftp |
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| 19:49.37 | adonis | my pc has winxp and my server has fedora |
| 19:49.43 | adonis | is it possible? if yes, how? |
| 19:49.46 | lpb-oberon | mh vin wich one do you prefer? |
| 19:50.39 | PupenoL_ | adonis: winxp is not a sane stable operating system, it can be done, but this is not a support channel for Microsoft products (neither Red Hat products). |
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| 19:51.04 | matej_ | hi |
| 19:51.06 | mboso | Random question. Knoppix hardware detection rocks. why doesn't debian use it for its installer? |
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| 19:51.21 | abrotman | we have hardware detection . which hardware do you mean? |
| 19:51.24 | matej_ | why i cant use nothing of devices for my mouse? Even /dev/mouse0 not found. Dunno why |
| 19:51.49 | adonis | what program do I need |
| 19:51.59 | PupenoL_ | matej_: on linux 2.6, I believe it is on /dev/input/mice |
| 19:52.00 | abrotman | because /dev/mouse0 isn't used .. at all i don't think anymore |
| 19:52.14 | abrotman | matej_: it's either /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 19:52.16 | matej_ | PupenoL_: so i must upgrade to 2.6 first_ |
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| 19:52.20 | abrotman | (unless it's a serial mouse) |
| 19:52.21 | PupenoL_ | matej_: no. |
| 19:52.40 | matej_ | abrotman: no its usb mouse. |
| 19:52.50 | PupenoL_ | matej_: what abrotman said (/dev/psaux for ps2 mouse on 2.4). |
| 19:52.54 | matej_ | abrotman: ill try with psaux, brb |
| 19:52.59 | PupenoL_ | matej_: usb as well I believe. |
| 19:53.31 | mboso | abrotman: I've used debian for years. and have installed it over a dozen times. Its rare to have X,ethernet,etc.. working the first time I boot. (rare as in never). Knoppix seems to be good at getting it all right with no input from the user. |
| 19:53.37 | abrotman | matej_: then load the usb mouse drivers |
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| 19:53.49 | abrotman | mboso: no idea what you're doing .. works fine for most of us :) |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | matej_: did you try loading any usb modules ? |
| 19:54.09 | matej_ | abrotman: eh, ill install kernel2.6 first |
| 19:54.18 | matej_ | abrotman: no, not yet |
| 19:54.23 | Mal` | when launching gnome terminal from the start bar i notice that my .bash_profile and .bashrc files aren't read; if I run bash -l they are read...? |
| 19:54.23 | Ronin | mboso: running stable and testing here worked great both machines right off the install |
| 19:54.27 | PupenoL_ | matej_: linux 2.6's support of usb is better than 2.4's |
| 19:54.30 | matej_ | abrotman: lsusb shows the mouse |
| 19:54.45 | Mal` | s/start bar/panel/ |
| 19:54.52 | matej_ | PupenoL_: yea i know, but i wanna have graphich mode before upgraing, eh ill upgrade now. |
| 19:55.02 | abrotman | matej_: try to load mousedev .. |
| 19:55.10 | matej_ | PupenoL_: do i have install nvidia-kernel if i wanna have nvidia drivers_ |
| 19:55.28 | PupenoL_ | I install 2.6 dirrectly from the start nowadays. |
| 19:55.47 | PupenoL_ | matej_: I don't know, thankfully I got rid of that crap^H^H^H^Hhardware. |
| 19:56.14 | matej_ | abrotman: nope, dont works |
| 19:56.40 | PupenoL_ | I have created this rule on my server: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.199:4662", if I do telnet 192.168.0.199 4662 I get connected to the amule running on my workstation, but if I do telnet localhost 4662 I just get Connection refused. An nmap shows that local port 4662 on the server is not open, any ideas ? |
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| 19:57.06 | bjenkins | how do you view a docbook file? |
| 19:57.11 | matej_ | abrotman: do i have to install nvidia to have nvidia drivers_ |
| 19:57.13 | matej_ | ? |
| 19:57.42 | Gathond | PupenoL_: unless you enabled the kernel option the kernel does not run NAT on local connections |
| 19:57.44 | PupenoL_ | bjenkins: AFAIK, there are no viewers yet. You'll have to convert it to something else. |
| 19:57.55 | ronove | umount /dev/sda1 tells me the device is busy, but is it safe to just pull it out? |
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| 19:58.06 | PupenoL_ | Gathond: oh! I suspect the same happens from outside, let me check. |
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| 19:58.18 | bjenkins | ok, i'm trying to find out about cups-config, but can't apt-get it |
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| 19:58.50 | gnufan | off-topic - I need to improvise a device to push out the eject button on my DVD drive -- the rubberised pad tore... |
| 19:58.50 | quitte | can the celeron-m do hyperthreading? |
| 19:58.51 | bjenkins | there's a kde docbook file about it, but hard to browse in text mode |
| 19:59.25 | strider | quitte: no |
| 19:59.33 | matej_ | ronove: maybe. If you hard reset computer is like when you pull out your mp3 player, when its mounted. |
| 19:59.58 | ronove | matej_: but is there another way to get it out? |
| 20:00.37 | matej_ | ronove: take a look if you have some terminal or some window IN its directory - thats why it cant be mounted. |
| 20:00.47 | amphi | quitte: I doubt it |
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| 20:01.33 | matadon | Is it possible to have apt-get use https and/or http authentication? |
| 20:01.45 | Dupix | hi all |
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| 20:02.28 | gnufan | matadon: yes -- you can set it in the proxy settings -- http_proxy env var or the apt config file |
| 20:03.04 | abrotman | matej_: you don't have to |
| 20:03.26 | matej_ | abrotman: i did, now must restart to boot into a new kernel, brb |
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| 20:03.50 | gnufan | matadon: https is kind of overkill for protecting free software tho ;) |
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| 20:04.21 | quitte | ok. any chance such a cpu can be replaced with a faster one? |
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| 20:05.05 | streuner | matadon: so you think you could connect to an 'alien' server and get the wrong packages? ;-) |
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| 20:05.24 | ronove | wth? I pulled the usb stick out, and I still can't umount it, cause it's bussy? |
| 20:05.29 | ronove | ridiculous! |
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| 20:06.21 | pppoe_dude | ronove: how are you trying to unmount it? |
| 20:06.33 | abrotman | quitte: what cpu ? |
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| 20:06.36 | streuner | matadon: or someone listen what packages you get? ;-) |
| 20:06.48 | ronove | pppoe_dude: umount /dev/sda* |
| 20:07.03 | ronove | pppoe_dude, and it's the only usb thing |
| 20:07.09 | pppoe_dude | ronove, can't do that |
| 20:07.22 | ronove | pppoe_dude, and umount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:07.24 | pppoe_dude | ronove, try umount /media/usb* |
| 20:07.25 | Sirin | Hey, check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Folders-for-Windows-XP_W0QQitemZ5858808434QQcategoryZ193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 20:07.38 | pppoe_dude | ronove, you can't unmount a device |
| 20:07.47 | pppoe_dude | ronove, you can only unmount a fielsystem |
| 20:07.54 | ronove | pppoe_dude, oh, I see.. I remember the filesystem thing :p |
| 20:08.05 | quitte | abrotman: celeron-m 1,6Ghz |
| 20:08.19 | pppoe_dude | ronove, so check where it was mounted (type df, it should show you) then unmount that |
| 20:08.22 | abrotman | quitte: depends on the BIOS .. check the docs for your Mobo |
| 20:08.41 | quitte | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 20:10.13 | ronove | pppoe_dude, is it possible my s-ata disk is /dev/sda1 ? :p |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | quitte: a BIOS upgrade may also be possible |
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| 20:10.50 | quitte | abrotman: sounds good. ill check what ibm has to say. |
| 20:11.00 | pppoe_dude | ronove i dont think so |
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| 20:11.21 | pppoe_dude | ronove, check diskfree (type df) and see whats mounted and whats not |
| 20:11.26 | abrotman | quitte: it's a laptop ? |
| 20:11.32 | quitte | abrotman: yes |
| 20:11.50 | ronove | pppoe_dude, that tells me /dev/sda1 is mounted and it's '/' |
| 20:12.00 | inigo | hi hi |
| 20:12.01 | abrotman | quitte: oh .. uhm .. maybe .. if you're really lucky ... i'll say probably not though .. and probably not worth the price |
| 20:12.09 | SerajewelKS | dumb question, how do i negate the sense of a 'while' conditional in the shell? |
| 20:12.20 | pppoe_dude | ronove ok then |
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| 20:12.30 | gnufan | Ah - the etch install CD is at work.... another day another download |
| 20:12.34 | pppoe_dude | ronove, its your harddisk that /dev/sda |
| 20:12.42 | quitte | abrotman: i know. its a possible option for the future when those cpus can be had from broken laptops |
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| 20:13.14 | pppoe_dude | ronove, and because it's in fstab, then it automatically tries to unmount it when you type "umount /dev/sda1" |
| 20:13.15 | EdLin | gnufan: why are you getting the etch install cd? |
| 20:13.15 | ronove | pppoe_dude, I've installed usbmount ; reïnserted the usb-stick, but nothing new appears in df |
| 20:13.28 | pppoe_dude | ronove, and obviously if you're using the computer then it's busy... so it wont unmount |
| 20:13.47 | gnufan | EdLin: I prefer the etch installer - call me perverse - I'll use it to install sid... |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | quitte: you won't care by then |
| 20:13.59 | pppoe_dude | ronove, type "dmesg" and look at the last few lines, see if there's any mention of sda* |
| 20:14.31 | EdLin | gnufan: you can install sid from a sarge installer too. :) |
| 20:14.38 | quitte | abrotman: people step on their laptop screens quite often |
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| 20:14.57 | matej_ | good, now X works, tnx |
| 20:15.25 | ronove | pppoe_dude, no, but it looks like my usb-stick is at sdb or sdb1 |
| 20:15.47 | gnufan | EdLin: Don't think I have one of those either... damn machine had Ubuntu on currently -- but it isn't working as it also has an old mirror of the entire Debian repositories and Ubuntu doesn't like the disk being 100% full it seems. |
| 20:15.53 | matej_ | hm..how is the easiest way to install nvidia drivers? From official site or how? Somewhere i read that i can install drivers only with nvidia_glx and nvidia_settings and make desktop file but dont know where. Maybe was this for ubuntu..dont know =/ |
| 20:15.59 | ronove | pppoe_dude, http://pastebin.com/547158 |
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| 20:16.53 | thingfish | matej_: you'll want to do it the Debian way. Do /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | quitte: yes .. but what makes you think the CPU will still work? |
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| 20:17.16 | matej_ | tnx thingfish, i forgot on dpkg :) |
| 20:17.16 | EdLin | matej_: Debian and Ubuntu do this very differently |
| 20:17.18 | matej_ | - Jhair [n=user@p54A3FAF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian |
| 20:17.22 | pppoe_dude | ronove, yes, the usb stick device is sdb |
| 20:17.24 | strider | m-a is cool |
| 20:17.29 | matej_ | EdLin: i know. |
| 20:17.42 | pppoe_dude | ronove, but it's probably mounted in /media/something |
| 20:17.48 | gnufan | EdLin: I have a GNU/Hurd R7 boot disk -- nah don't think that'll install Sid |
| 20:17.56 | tOTenntm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.04 | ronove | pppoe_dude, but it doesn't show up in df, however usbmount should mount it to /media/usb[0 - 7] |
| 20:18.09 | pppoe_dude | ronove, or maybe not mounted at all, you can try mounting it |
| 20:18.20 | quitte | abrotman: cpus are pretty well protected with the socket they are in their not too big surface and a case around that |
| 20:18.30 | strider | !tell tOTenntm about b-e |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | quitte: you believe whatever you want .. it's not my laptop |
| 20:18.40 | pppoe_dude | ronove, just to be sure, mount it to /mnt and see what happens, if its already mounted it will tell you |
| 20:18.42 | EdLin | !wayc tOTenntm |
| 20:18.43 | dpkg | tOTenntm: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:19.08 | tOTenntm | because nmap4.00 isnt on apt-get yet |
| 20:19.15 | tOTenntm | even after apt-get update |
| 20:19.26 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:19.26 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:19.31 | abrotman | !info nmap sid |
| 20:19.37 | dpkg | nmap: (The Network Mapper), section net, is extra. Version: 4.00-2 (sid), Packaged size: 697 kB, Installed size: 2392 kB |
| 20:19.39 | ronove | pppoe_dude, it's not mounted, but I don't have clue about what filesystem I should mount =/ |
| 20:19.50 | tarzeau | gnufan: tried gnu/kbfreebsd yet? |
| 20:20.04 | ronove | pppoe_dude, it's not FAT.. |
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| 20:20.29 | pppoe_dude | ronove, does it have anything on it? |
| 20:20.48 | SerajewelKS | OUCH... why does 'mpg123' blindly assume that the file is an MPEG stream? |
| 20:20.54 | SerajewelKS | mpg123 on a .ogg hurts |
| 20:20.57 | ronove | pppoe_dude, possibly.. but I don't need it anymore.. |
| 20:21.10 | pppoe_dude | ronove, type "ls /dev/sd*" and tell me what you get |
| 20:21.43 | ronove | pppoe_dude, /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:21.54 | sanmarcos | how can I convert a list to a dict? |
| 20:22.03 | pppoe_dude | ronove, ok now type "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" |
| 20:22.18 | abrotman | sanmarcos: in what language? |
| 20:22.27 | sanmarcos | abrotman: oh wrogn channel sorry |
| 20:22.33 | ronove | pppoe_dude, ok.. I can just use it now? |
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| 20:23.04 | pppoe_dude | ronove, did you get any errors? if not, then cd to /mnt and you should be fine |
| 20:23.14 | ronove | pppoe_dude, no errors :) |
| 20:23.39 | SerajewelKS | zinx: let me know when you're in |
| 20:23.47 | ronove | pppoe_dude, thanks for the help :) |
| 20:24.11 | pppoe_dude | ronove, if you want to format it to FAT (if unsure) then type "mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdb" that will also eliminate the sda1 (partition) and format it as a whole device |
| 20:24.14 | pppoe_dude | ronove, np |
| 20:24.48 | matej_ | what is about udev errors at boot? When i get kernel2.6 there are a 100 errors about /udev/lib |
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| 20:26.28 | ronove | pppoe_dude, I can't seem to save anything on it =/ |
| 20:26.37 | zinx | SerajewelKS: :x |
| 20:26.42 | pppoe_dude | ronove, permission denied? |
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| 20:26.48 | SerajewelKS | zinx: hey, i installed chrony. it seems to be doing a good job. |
| 20:26.54 | ronove | pppoe_dude, no, file not existing or sth =/ |
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| 20:27.00 | zinx | SerajewelKS: noapic had no effect? |
| 20:27.04 | SerajewelKS | zinx: none at all |
| 20:27.06 | ronove | pppoe_dude, (openoffice) |
| 20:27.12 | zinx | SerajewelKS: unfortunate |
| 20:27.16 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i used "noapic nolapic" |
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| 20:27.33 | SerajewelKS | zinx: wait no i didn't |
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| 20:27.39 | bloom | what's the simplest way to create an apt-gettable repository |
| 20:27.40 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i used "no acpi nolacpi" =D |
| 20:27.51 | bloom | actually I think I don't want to ask that question |
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| 20:28.01 | pppoe_dude | ronove, try "cat hello > /mnt/hello.text" |
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| 20:28.08 | SerajewelKS | zinx: whoever picks these acronyms needs to be shot. they're too similar. |
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| 20:28.14 | pppoe_dude | sorry |
| 20:28.18 | bloom | how can I get module-assistant to use a module source package that I installed using dpkg -i? |
| 20:28.20 | pppoe_dude | "echo hello > hello.text" |
| 20:28.47 | ircdevil | ahahaahahahah - i got it. fucking wlan works after 10 hours of trial and error! |
| 20:28.54 | strider | bloom: m-a prepare m-a update m-a a-i package |
| 20:28.54 | ronove | pppoe_dude, it didn't give me any errors =/ |
| 20:29.00 | zinx | SerajewelKS: heh |
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| 20:29.14 | pppoe_dude | ronove, now type "cat /mnt/hello.text" do you get hello back? |
| 20:29.27 | zinx | SerajewelKS: acpi is power management stuff, which is also problematic on some motherboards ;) |
| 20:29.39 | zinx | SerajewelKS: but yeah, those two are really easy to confuse |
| 20:29.39 | ronove | pppoe_dude, yeps =/ |
| 20:29.42 | bloom | strider: when I do that, it refuses to unpack the version of tof the sources that I dpkg -i'ed |
| 20:29.44 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i know what they are, just getting my fingers to type the right one is hard |
| 20:29.57 | pppoe_dude | ronove, are you doing this as root or as regular user? |
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| 20:30.14 | bloom | strider: here's the deal: I want to install a version of the fglrx driver that's more recent than the one in Debian, on my AMD64 laptop |
| 20:31.19 | ronove | pppoe_dude, I've chmod'ed the usb disk to 777, so shouldn't make a difference.. but I did it as root, yeah |
| 20:31.19 | rredd4 | i installed wine, where did it put it? Can't find it. |
| 20:31.20 | nvz | man I've been reinventing the wheel |
| 20:31.20 | nvz | and the sad thing is, I knew the wheel existed |
| 20:31.20 | zinx | bloam: grab the .run and to sh foo.run --buildpkg Debian/unstable, or whatever branch of debian you're using |
| 20:31.20 | zinx | bloam: it'll generate .debs |
| 20:31.20 | _eLMo_ | bloom: Why ? The current driver works fine here ( Acer Aspire 5024 ) |
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| 20:31.24 | zinx | s/ to / do / |
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| 20:31.31 | nvz | wasted all that time trying to make a single purpose spider when httrack would do fine |
| 20:31.40 | fas3r | what's the more secure it's md5 or sha-1 ? |
| 20:31.48 | pppoe_dude | ronove, try it as a regular user see if it works (the echo part first) if it does, then i don't know what the problem is, if it doesn't, then make a directory inside /mnt and chmod it to 777 |
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| 20:32.24 | bloom | _eLMo_: the current version of the fglrx driver in Debian works fine on Sid with X.org 6.9? |
| 20:32.28 | strider | bloom: hmm, can you choose it from the curses GUI? just run m-a |
| 20:32.31 | bloom | _eLMo_: is that what you're saying? |
| 20:32.33 | ronove | pppoe_dude, I mounted the usb-stick to /mnt/usb , and I chmod'ed it to 777, but I just cp'ed the file as root, so it doesn't matter ;) |
| 20:32.56 | fas3r | !md5 |
| 20:32.56 | _eLMo_ | bloom: Euhm, Debian testing here, and the current works fine, yes, for me.. X700 in an Aspire 5024 |
| 20:32.57 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 20:33.04 | fas3r | !sha-1 |
| 20:33.10 | fas3r | !sha |
| 20:33.13 | rredd4 | When i install a program using apt-get, what does apt put it? |
| 20:33.17 | fas3r | !sha1 |
| 20:33.32 | bloom | strider: _eLMo_: what version of x.org? |
| 20:33.43 | SerajewelKS | zinx: anyway, i do like chrony better than ntpd -- i can ask it what it did recently and tell it to step the time, etc |
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| 20:33.50 | _eLMo_ | bloom: I belieeve 6.8.2 :\ dunno for sure |
| 20:34.01 | pppoe_dude | ronove, coz for me at least, (not very experienced with fstab, etc.) when I mount a device to /mnt, permissions of /mnt change, and you can't change them even if you were root. i think you might have to pass some arguments to mount. But then again, this might not be the problem |
| 20:34.08 | strider | bloom: 6.9 here, but i use the r300 drivers. ditched fglrx for good :) |
| 20:34.10 | fas3r | anybody know ? |
| 20:34.11 | bloom | strider: I have version 8.21.7-1 of the sources installed, but it wants to build version 8.19.10-1+2.6.14-2 of the kernel |
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| 20:34.35 | strider | bloom: uninstall it then |
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| 20:34.47 | [2am] | has anyone ever tried to load debian on an exiting linux box? |
| 20:35.06 | bloom | strider: uninstall what? there's nothing installed |
| 20:35.12 | amphi | [2am]: what do you mean? |
| 20:35.22 | [2am] | like ive got root on a box thats already runnning |
| 20:35.25 | amphi | [2am]: existing? |
| 20:35.26 | [2am] | i dont feel like driving to the colo |
| 20:35.28 | pppoe_dude | k. time for class. latas |
| 20:35.34 | bjenkins | i just went through the whole apsfilter setup on my sarge system, including printing an immaculate test page, but lpr /var/log/error_log (for example) still just gives me bunches of blank pages |
| 20:35.37 | [2am] | so i just want to install over the existing install :P |
| 20:35.40 | amphi | !tell [2am] about debtakeover |
| 20:35.43 | strider | bloom: you don't have the older fglrx source package installed? |
| 20:35.46 | [2am] | ya. thats what i wanted to know |
| 20:35.48 | [2am] | perfect |
| 20:35.57 | [2am] | thanks amphi, i just couldnt remember the name |
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| 20:36.46 | bloom | strider: no |
| 20:36.52 | bloom | strider: the new one overwrote the old one |
| 20:37.28 | bloom | strider: I just solved it |
| 20:37.38 | bloom | strider: I went into /usr/src and removed anything with fglrx in the name |
| 20:37.49 | bloom | strider: then reinstalled the sources package, and things worked |
| 20:37.56 | lpb-oberon | vin`: reinstall does not seem to reinstall files that are touched by the user |
| 20:38.03 | lpb-oberon | is that right? |
| 20:38.42 | strider | bloom: yes, better to remove the old source modules first. less headache :) |
| 20:38.54 | bjenkins | /var/log/cups/error_log is indecipherable to me |
| 20:38.57 | strider | bloom: what card? |
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| 20:41.37 | SerajewelKS | i've set a script setuid, but when it's run it still gets run as the invoking user. how do i make a shell script setuid? |
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| 20:41.40 | bjenkins | any printer wizards on board today? |
| 20:41.55 | SerajewelKS | e.g. 'id' inside the script doesn't display uid=0(root) |
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| 20:42.46 | bjenkins | with the loglevel set to normal i get a message "unable to convert file to printable format" or something to that effect |
| 20:43.00 | bjenkins | it asks if i have gs installed, which i do |
| 20:43.11 | SerajewelKS | and 'echo $EUID $UID' shows '1000 1000' |
| 20:43.16 | bjenkins | but with the loglevel set to debug, i can't tell what it's saying |
| 20:43.33 | SerajewelKS | maybe i don't understand how setuid works |
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| 20:44.26 | matadon | streuner: (Regarding my long-time-ago question about https and http-auth for apt-get) Actually, no, what I'd like to be able to do is have a 'company' apt server, used for internally-rolled debs for a webfarm; hence, authentication is a good thing. |
| 20:44.32 | gnufan | How to cdrecord to a ATAPI CD-R -- ? cdrecord --scanbus doesn't work for me |
| 20:44.39 | [2am] | amphi: do u know if its possible to do stuff like setting up raid (md) with debtakover? |
| 20:44.41 | quuesstionnerr | Is there an application that show the temperature, in the form of an applet like 'wmcpuload, wmmemload, wmifs ...' ? |
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| 20:45.42 | amphi | [2am]: no idea, I'm afraid |
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| 20:47.09 | Nwallins | hello. i had a program SUID root, but it reverted on me. any chance apt or some cron daemon did this? |
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| 20:47.40 | Nwallins | s/daemon/process/ |
| 20:47.51 | gnufan | okay - "cdrecord dev=ATA: --scanbus " works as it says in the fine manual ;) |
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| 20:48.39 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: if it was upgraded, apt sets the permissions on the file |
| 20:48.58 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: and i would seriously consider why you have a program setuid root |
| 20:49.20 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: i had installed the deb-src for this app because i had to hack the source. would apt overwrite those changes as well? |
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| 20:49.39 | [2am] | amphi: thanks. documentation is a bit sparse so might just try it ;P |
| 20:49.43 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: well, i need a normal user to run the program, tcpflow |
| 20:49.51 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: if the package was upgraded in a debian repository, and you didn't mark the package as held, then sure |
| 20:50.19 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: ok, it was a trivial edit. i'll look up how to mark it as held. thanks |
| 20:50.24 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: an unpriveleged user should not be running tcpflow |
| 20:50.32 | mhall | !tell Nwallins about hold |
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| 20:50.41 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: i assume that it wasn't o+x? |
| 20:50.47 | mhall | SerajewelKS: sup? |
| 20:50.49 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: well, i don't want to do everything else that tcpflow is involved in as root, either |
| 20:51.00 | SerajewelKS | mhall: ah, the regular. fighting with debian. =) |
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| 20:51.14 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: umm.. chmod 4755 /usr/bin/tcpflow |
| 20:51.17 | mhall | SerajewelKS: lol and with the weird people in #d-ot ;-) |
| 20:51.20 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: yeah, don't do that |
| 20:51.26 | SerajewelKS | mhall: apparently |
| 20:51.42 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: ok. i am running this program in concert with several others. i don't think it makes sense to do this as root |
| 20:51.50 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i swear, it's like me and the people i get along with are flypaper for freaks |
| 20:51.55 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: chmod 4750 /usr/bin/tcpflow |
| 20:51.57 | mhall | SerajewelKS: wtf, mate? |
| 20:52.08 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: ah yeah. duh |
| 20:52.12 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: put all the people that need this in a group, and chgrp that-group /usr/bin/tcpflow |
| 20:52.19 | Nwallins | yup. much better. thanks |
| 20:52.29 | SerajewelKS | mhall: welcome to the club =) |
| 20:52.47 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: someone hacks your box, we don't want them reading your traffic |
| 20:53.04 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: then again if they hack the account of one of the people in this group... |
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| 20:53.04 | mhall | SerajewelKS that guy was inches away from a complete fuckover |
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| 20:53.11 | SerajewelKS | mhall: who |
| 20:53.15 | mhall | SerajewelKS: Nwallins |
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| 20:53.17 | Nwallins | SerajewelKS: yeah, it's very much an internal system. |
| 20:53.23 | SerajewelKS | mhall: ah |
| 20:53.26 | SerajewelKS | Nwallins: just be careful =) |
| 20:53.34 | SerajewelKS | gah... |
| 20:53.37 | mhall | Nwallins: all systems are internal until h4x0r1z3d |
| 20:53.46 | mhall | SerajewelKS: BZZT! |
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| 20:53.50 | mhall | !shock SerajewelKS |
| 20:53.59 | SerajewelKS | mhall: yeah i know, security pitfalls, blah blah |
| 20:54.01 | mhall | !punish SerajewelKS for making a script suid |
| 20:54.11 | mhall | SerajewelKS: just givin ya a hard time |
| 20:54.20 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i already adminster HP-UX, i don't need another broken OS |
| 20:54.24 | SerajewelKS | administer* |
| 20:54.25 | mhall | SerajewelKS: but can't you make a C app instead at least then it's a bit safe |
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| 20:54.35 | SerajewelKS | mhall: one more .c file to maintain |
| 20:54.37 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah i'm trying to go to work for HP and might end up on it |
| 20:54.41 | mhall | SerajewelKS: how bad is HPUX |
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| 20:54.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: i can't figure out the filesystem layout |
| 20:54.59 | tyranix | Is using module-assistant recommended over using make-kpkg? I've been using make-kpkg with modules_image but it looks like m-a is more appropriate. |
| 20:55.06 | SerajewelKS | mhall: we have /var/adm for administrative crap, /var/logs for logs |
| 20:55.08 | mhall | SerajewelKS: sounds about like solaris |
| 20:55.11 | kspath | mhall: HP-UX 11i |
| 20:55.22 | SerajewelKS | mhall: telnet expects ^H to be backspace |
| 20:55.26 | SerajewelKS | mhall: etc |
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| 20:56.22 | Gnea | telnet.... |
| 20:56.30 | SerajewelKS | mhall: say i want to run one command in a shell script, i use execv() to simulate that? |
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| 20:56.46 | yasp | Hi |
| 20:56.48 | yasp | Using nmap, what is the way to not show postfix version? |
| 20:56.55 | SerajewelKS | mhall: execv("/bin/program", {"arg1", "arg2", (void*)0}) |
| 20:57.19 | SerajewelKS | yasp: wtf, how is having the version a bad thing |
| 20:57.36 | fcrick | hey so i'm sshing into my debian box with an X11 forwarding flag, but DISPLAY isn't getting set - any idea why |
| 20:57.37 | fcrick | ? |
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| 20:57.47 | Gnea | yasp: nmap shows the postfix version how? |
| 20:57.47 | yasp | SerajewelKS but I want to not show it |
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| 20:57.55 | SerajewelKS | yasp: but WHY |
| 20:58.03 | yasp | not, but shows that I'm running postfix |
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| 20:58.12 | yasp | it's possible not show this? |
| 20:58.20 | SerajewelKS | yasp: it can't be "because i don't like to see the version" |
| 20:58.22 | Gnea | from the outside? |
| 20:58.26 | mhall | SerajewelKS: yeah or just system() |
| 20:58.30 | SerajewelKS | yasp: if you don't want to see the version number, ignore it |
| 20:58.44 | mhall | SerajewelKS: putenv and getenv and setenv for vars if need be |
| 20:58.50 | yasp | sorry, not version, mta name, like postfix |
| 20:58.52 | SerajewelKS | mhall: you can inline an array, right? /me is a little lax on C syntax |
| 20:59.06 | SerajewelKS | yasp: so what, you want to see postfix, or you don't? |
| 20:59.11 | mhall | SerajewelKS: haven't tried it but it should work |
| 20:59.18 | Gnea | yasp: how did you get nmap to show it? |
| 20:59.20 | mirfdesk | I've just done a base-install (netinst) and I'm trying to get a usb device working... I get the error "usb device is not claimed by any active driver" but I donm't know how to rectify this.. |
| 20:59.23 | mhall | SerajewelKS: i can help you hack it out later after i'm back from class |
| 20:59.26 | SerajewelKS | mhall: iirc it works on gcc but not VC++ =) |
| 20:59.34 | mhall | SerajewelKS: also perl has an SUID-safe mode |
| 20:59.36 | Gnea | usually it just says "hi, port 25 is open or filtered!" |
| 20:59.40 | mhall | SerajewelKS: so that's another possible choice |
| 20:59.54 | SerajewelKS | mhall: bah, i might as well do C now that i've spend significant time pondering it =) |
| 21:00.00 | mhall | SerajewelKS: hehe |
| 21:00.13 | mhall | SerajewelKS: ttyl |
| 21:00.14 | yasp | SerajewelKS I don't want to see the mta package like postfix, like "unknow" or something like this |
| 21:00.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you're probably better off with system() |
| 21:00.40 | fcrick | can anyone help me? i'm logging into my debian box and I can't get it to set DISPLAY so i can open an X app... |
| 21:01.00 | Gnea | fcrick: what command did you run? |
| 21:01.09 | yasp | SerajewelKS any idea to hide the header? |
| 21:01.13 | fcrick | i'm using putty, and enabling X11 forwarding |
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| 21:01.29 | fcrick | usually it just works, but i think the debian box has some setting wrong |
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| 21:01.38 | yasp | PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION |
| 21:01.38 | yasp | 25/tcp open smtp Postfix smtpd |
| 21:01.40 | Gnea | mkay, do you have some sort of X server running on the windows side? |
| 21:01.43 | yasp | xD |
| 21:01.49 | fcrick | yeah exodus |
| 21:01.57 | PupenoL_ | What FTP server do you recommend to accept anonymous uploads ? |
| 21:01.58 | Gnea | yasp: oh wow.... sec |
| 21:02.03 | Maulkin | vsftpd |
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| 21:02.08 | Gnea | PupenoL_: proftpd |
| 21:02.43 | Gnea | fcrick: export DISPLAY="IP:0.0" should do it |
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| 21:03.06 | Gnea | fcrick: whatever ip it is on the wintendo box |
| 21:03.12 | SerajewelKS | mhall: gcc craps out on the inline array |
| 21:03.28 | fcrick | yeah, but i need it to go through ssh tunnelling...will that still work? |
| 21:03.34 | ronove | where's the .Xmodmap file located? |
| 21:03.39 | SerajewelKS | yasp: what's wrong with seeing postfix there |
| 21:03.41 | Gnea | oh gawd, i just stuffed myself with sesame chicken.... |
| 21:03.54 | quuesstionnerr | Is there an application that show the temperature, in the form of an applet like 'wmcpuload, wmmemload, wmifs ...' ? |
| 21:04.00 | SerajewelKS | Gnea: don't think about eating butter |
| 21:04.08 | fcrick | on most boxes it sets DISPLAY when you log in with like ssh -X or whatever |
| 21:04.19 | Gnea | !smite SerajewelKS |
| 21:04.44 | quuesstionnerr | There is wmacpi, but he give only info of the battery, i would like to get info of the temp of the FAN. |
| 21:04.47 | yasp | SerajewelKS, so what is the way to hide it? |
| 21:04.56 | Gnea | fcrick: it should work just fine |
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| 21:05.18 | Gnea | fcrick: the only thing that i can think that wouldn't allow it is if the ssh server told it not to |
| 21:05.19 | SerajewelKS | yasp: i'm asking you why you NEED to hide it |
| 21:05.27 | quuesstionnerr | There is yacpi, but that must be run in an shell an this app not run in a loop. |
| 21:05.29 | fcrick | k |
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| 21:05.47 | Gnea | yasp: what options did you use? |
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| 21:06.34 | quuesstionnerr | Or must i write an applet that get info of '/proc/apci/thermal_zone/C106/temperature' |
| 21:06.37 | quuesstionnerr | ? |
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| 21:08.15 | MrHart | which java is the best to install, java-gcj-compat - Java runtime environment using GIJ |
| 21:08.15 | MrHart | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.15 | MrHart | ? |
| 21:08.31 | Gnea | wmacpi |
| 21:08.44 | Gnea | MrHart: best for what? |
| 21:09.24 | MrHart | java plugin for mozilla/firefox/konquor |
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| 21:09.47 | quuesstionnerr | Gnea: wmapci only get info of the battery. |
| 21:09.49 | Gnea | well those aren't actual java, those are just addons |
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| 21:10.13 | SerajewelKS | #$%& |
| 21:10.18 | tchize | vin`: thanks for help, finally got this upgraded |
| 21:10.19 | Gnea | quuesstionnerr: wmsensors |
| 21:10.20 | quuesstionnerr | Gnea: I want also get info of the temp of the FAN. |
| 21:10.23 | MrHart | k, but java is aked for some websites ... |
| 21:10.33 | tchize | now need to find out why 2.6 kernel awfully fails :) |
| 21:10.51 | MrHart | aked=asked |
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| 21:11.06 | Gnea | !tell MrHart -about java-package |
| 21:11.09 | quuesstionnerr | Gnea: That not work because it looks that i have not sensors, but i can use 'yacpi' and others to get info of the FAN temp |
| 21:11.14 | MrNaz | can raidtools do anything mdadm cant? mdadm doesnt strike me as providing much info hey... |
| 21:11.20 | Gnea | MrHart: follow that, it will get you setup |
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| 21:11.47 | Gnea | quuesstionnerr: so install lm-sensors |
| 21:11.52 | RvGaTe | good evening fellow debian users/administrators :) |
| 21:12.00 | Gnea | quuesstionnerr: those are your options |
| 21:12.11 | Gnea | evening? |
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| 21:12.22 | RvGaTe | bpowell: its evening for me |
| 21:12.26 | RvGaTe | oops |
| 21:12.27 | quuesstionnerr | Gnea: Ok i look to it. Thx ;-) |
| 21:12.38 | RvGaTe | wrong guy, hehe |
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| 21:12.45 | nisc | OT: does anyone know where I can find a complete list of all muhammed comics? |
| 21:12.55 | RvGaTe | anyways, i have a question |
| 21:13.01 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite RvGaTe |
| 21:13.01 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer RvGaTe: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.578075355189991! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 21:13.03 | Gnea | quuesstionnerr: lm-sensors gives you better details on fan/temp/voltage/etc than acpi will |
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| 21:13.34 | streuner | EdLin: hehe |
| 21:13.36 | RvGaTe | what's the package called for executing php files trough the shell... |
| 21:13.50 | EdLin | streuner: I did that because he said one of the words in kingsley's metric |
| 21:13.50 | Gnea | php5-cli |
| 21:14.05 | Gnea | EdLin: question? |
| 21:14.10 | streuner | EdLin: thanks? ;-) |
| 21:14.16 | EdLin | Gnea: oops |
| 21:14.22 | Gnea | LMAO! |
| 21:14.26 | EdLin | Gnea: darn, there goes my productivity rating |
| 21:14.38 | keith80403 | RvGaTe, use php -q foobar.php to run php from a shell prompt. |
| 21:14.41 | Gnea | EdLin: oh, oops ;) |
| 21:15.11 | Gnea | yeah, something about illiteracy was it? |
| 21:15.11 | streuner | EdLin: hm, thanks :-P |
| 21:15.20 | EdLin | streuner: :-) |
| 21:15.22 | RvGaTe | keith80403 what does the -q do... |
| 21:15.25 | Jivco | How to run different versions of MySQL (4.0 and 4.1) sharing same databases in debian? |
| 21:15.47 | Gnea | Jivco: why would you want to? |
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| 21:16.17 | Gathond | Jivco: sharing the same database .. I doubt its even the same on disk format |
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| 21:16.41 | Jivco | I want to test some sites running differest versions of MySQL |
| 21:16.49 | Jivco | yes |
| 21:17.15 | Jivco | same disk format on the same machine |
| 21:17.26 | Gnea | Jivco: that sounds sick and twisted - i'd run 'em on different systems, maybe in some sort of virtualized cluster mode |
| 21:17.41 | Nwallins | how can i verify that a package is marked as held? also the reference manual says to edit /etc/apt/preferences rather than `echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections` as the dpkg bot recommends |
| 21:17.44 | Gathond | I would at least run them independently |
| 21:18.21 | strider | nisc: google knows. there are a ton of links ;) |
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| 21:18.33 | keith80403 | RvGaTe, It used to be a switch to run quietly - but it looks like in v4.3 it isn't there! Search Google for "shell script php" (without the quotes.) |
| 21:18.41 | Jivco | no. On one machine for testing for developers |
| 21:18.49 | nisc | strider: lot of bullshit tho |
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| 21:18.56 | smoo2 | hello, i just installed debian! im used to red hat tho! so my question is how do i start nfsd/ services in general |
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| 21:19.12 | tyranix | Hmm when I use module-assistant, is there a way to tell it to use aptitude? I like aptitude keeping track of which packages I installed as strictly dependencies as which are requested. |
| 21:19.17 | duhast | hello ! |
| 21:19.18 | diesel | !2006 key |
| 21:19.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:19.24 | strider | nisc: hmm, alright, let me check my bookmarks. wait up |
| 21:19.27 | Nwallins | smoo2: have you looked at /etc/init.d/$servicename start|stop|restart |
| 21:19.51 | smoo2 | Nwallins, nope, but that looks like what i want! thanks |
| 21:19.55 | marty | i'm formatting a 30g harddrive for linux, how much space should i allot for swap? |
| 21:20.12 | marty | i need some, but i don't know if there are any size restrictions |
| 21:20.24 | deadcat | 1.5 of ram |
| 21:20.29 | Bucciarati | marty: 25G for swap |
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| 21:20.52 | marty | that's too big |
| 21:20.56 | overnout | 25G ! |
| 21:20.57 | Jivco | the two versions are running on different ports (say 3306 and 3307) |
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| 21:21.07 | smoo2 | Nwallins, how do I make it start at boot? |
| 21:21.10 | Nwallins | can anyone comment regarding 'holding' packages via /etc/apt/preferences (per debian reference manual) vs. `echo pkgname hold | dpgk --set-selections` (per dpkg bot)? also, how can i verify that a package is marked as held? |
| 21:21.23 | Nwallins | smoo2: /etc/rc* |
| 21:21.24 | marty | anyone else have anything to say about swap partition size? |
| 21:21.35 | jjazz | marty: how much ram do you have? |
| 21:21.41 | HazyNRG | 2*ram < 512 |
| 21:21.43 | marty | 28 kb |
| 21:21.43 | deadcat | Nwallins: dpkg --get-selections |grep hold |
| 21:21.56 | jonas3 | If you are using SWAP you should buy MORE memory ! |
| 21:21.56 | Nwallins | deadcat: sweet, thanks. |
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| 21:22.02 | marty | rather tiny |
| 21:22.16 | smoo2 | marty, you have 28kb of RAM? |
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| 21:22.17 | marty | it's an old old laptop, i just want to optimally use what i have |
| 21:22.18 | strider | nisc: http://www.sjhoward.co.uk/the-controversial-denmark-cartoons/ enjoy! ;) |
| 21:22.18 | jjazz | marty: You seriously have 28k of ram? |
| 21:22.24 | marty | yes 28k of ram |
| 21:22.28 | jjazz | marty: How old is the laptop? |
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| 21:22.34 | jade | what is the max file size for x86 debian sarge, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp ? i would like have a single database file size near 400 GB. is that possible? |
| 21:22.36 | strider | marty: cool :) |
| 21:22.41 | EdLin | marty: 28K is for old 8 bit computers |
| 21:22.43 | marty | about 10 years |
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| 21:22.48 | Nwallins | 28k? you mean 28M |
| 21:22.50 | HazyNRG | not 28mb? |
| 21:22.51 | ccarlos | hi |
| 21:22.55 | HazyNRG | herm |
| 21:23.00 | smoo2 | marty, what you talkin about willis |
| 21:23.07 | marty | maybe 28 mg |
| 21:23.09 | EdLin | marty: there's never been a 28k IBM compatable computer |
| 21:23.10 | marty | *mb |
| 21:23.12 | jjazz | marty: My 10-year-old lappy had 12mb of ram |
| 21:23.15 | Nwallins | 28k ought to be enough for *anybody* |
| 21:23.17 | marty | but it's still oober tiney |
| 21:23.18 | marty | ok |
| 21:23.29 | marty | sorry i mistyped, 28mb |
| 21:23.39 | marty | but i still need some swap |
| 21:23.50 | smoo2 | marty, id go with 512mb |
| 21:23.54 | jjazz | marty: Yes, you need some swap. I'd say half a gig. |
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| 21:24.12 | marty | ok |
| 21:24.13 | marty | thanks |
| 21:24.16 | EdLin | everyone should have swap, about 1.5-2 times RAM |
| 21:24.18 | duxbarak | i have 256mb ram, and haven't ever needed swap |
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| 21:24.36 | deadcat | i have 1.5gb a d i dontuse swap |
| 21:24.38 | Nwallins | EdLin: well, if you have 1meg ram, you will need more than 2 meg swap |
| 21:24.39 | jjazz | marty: you realize you won't be doing anything fancy with that box, right? no x or anything? |
| 21:24.41 | EdLin | duxbarak: the Linux kernel automatically uses faster rutines if swap is available |
| 21:24.47 | MrNaz | duxbarak i have 2gb and 4gb swap |
| 21:24.57 | smoo2 | right, another question for the room, I need a kernel with the dvb digital tv modules compiled, is that gonna be a custom job or can I apt-get one? |
| 21:25.24 | HazyNRG | i've 512mb ram and 500mb swap |
| 21:25.29 | De_Mon | wtf. grrr! what in the hell would cause ifup eth1 to kill my connection through eth0! |
| 21:25.37 | duxbarak | i have 1/2 gig swap, but it never gets used |
| 21:25.38 | Nwallins | smoo2: let me know when you find out :) i didn't know there were dvb modules |
| 21:26.02 | x-x- | dvb |
| 21:26.09 | EdLin | duxbarak: I have 512MB RAM, but for some reason after using emacs+slime I ended up with 128K of it used |
| 21:26.11 | Nwallins | how do you tell that swap is being used, aside from the crunching noises and UI hiccups? |
| 21:26.22 | smoo2 | Nwallins, oh yeah, they are part of the 2.6.x kernels, Under drivers ---> multimedia or somthing similar in menuconfig |
| 21:26.26 | EdLin | (of swap used) |
| 21:26.32 | De_Mon | procinfo top ps, lots of ways |
| 21:26.48 | Nwallins | smoo2: so what can they do? typically dvb is encrypted over the wire, right? |
| 21:26.51 | nisc | strider: I will |
| 21:26.59 | duxbarak | Nwallins: i have an XFCE4 sys mon that tells me |
| 21:27.34 | smoo2 | Nwallins, by dvb i mean terestrial digital tv, so they decode mpeg2 streams for free to view channels, like freeview in the uk |
| 21:27.34 | jade | what is the maximum number of files i can store on a harddrive? |
| 21:27.39 | Nwallins | smoo2: i just moved into an apt with free basic satellite (need an access card) |
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| 21:27.44 | Nwallins | smoo2: ok, like OTA hdtv? |
| 21:28.04 | EdLin | jade: depends upon your filesystem and its configuration |
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| 21:28.13 | smoo2 | Nwallins, yeah, dvb-t, dvb-s is satalite but i think there are drivers for that too |
| 21:28.36 | jade | EdLin: the filesystem is ext2 |
| 21:28.36 | smoo2 | Nwallins, can you apt-get kernel sources? that really annoyed me about centos! |
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| 21:28.44 | HazyNRG | space/blocks_size ? |
| 21:28.48 | Nwallins | smoo2: i have pchdtv card to handle the OTA hdtv streams.. the kernel modules do it in software? |
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| 21:29.02 | EdLin | jade: it's dependent upon the number of inodes and the size of your drive. |
| 21:29.10 | Jivco | gnea:Can you discribe me (in few words) how to share one database between two MySQLs (4.0 and 4.1) running one machine in debian? |
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| 21:29.14 | smoo2 | Nwallins, i dunno, i think they are drivers for the cards |
| 21:29.28 | Nwallins | smoo2: oh, ok. duh. that would be great for me, then |
| 21:29.42 | Nwallins | smoo2: since i haven't gotten it working except thru knoppmyth |
| 21:29.43 | EdLin | jade: btw, you should upgrade that drive to ext3 |
| 21:29.47 | R1CHARD | hello |
| 21:30.00 | R1CHARD | i have a problem in the installation of the Debian Sarge |
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| 21:30.09 | Nwallins | smoo2: but yeah, you can apt-get kernel sources, afaik |
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| 21:30.15 | Andy298 | struggling to install webmin, how can i get it to ignore dependicies (using apt-get)? |
| 21:30.16 | jclinton | anyone have gnomemeeting installed? i want to test my settings... |
| 21:30.28 | R1CHARD | I have a message or the imcompatibility of the libClient and the connection with the mailDirs |
| 21:30.32 | EdLin | !webmin |
| 21:30.32 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 21:30.41 | smoo2 | is there not a config tool to help you sort out what services run at which run leve (command line) |
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| 21:31.02 | R1CHARD | I select yes or no? |
| 21:31.03 | R1CHARD | I select yes or no? |
| 21:31.14 | R1CHARD | please help me |
| 21:31.32 | mirfdesk | what are you trying to do/? |
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| 21:31.51 | Nwallins | R1CHARD: well, it's one or the other |
| 21:31.57 | R1CHARD | the message is: do you continue to install LibClient with support MailDirs |
| 21:32.14 | Bucciarati | R1CHARD: always select yes for anything |
| 21:32.21 | zinx | /o\ |
| 21:32.22 | R1CHARD | Is the first one when I have this guess |
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| 21:32.23 | Andy298 | :( |
| 21:32.31 | mirfdesk | yeah I'd say yes to that |
| 21:32.32 | R1CHARD | are you sure? |
| 21:32.35 | EdLin | Bucciarati: that's not always true |
| 21:32.38 | mirfdesk | it's clear it needs it |
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| 21:32.41 | EdLin | R1CHARD: choose the default |
| 21:32.54 | Bucciarati | EdLin: :) |
| 21:32.55 | Nwallins | yeah, you can usually just press [enter] for the default |
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| 21:33.09 | R1CHARD | I won't have problems with that? |
| 21:33.13 | R1CHARD | a ok |
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| 21:33.21 | R1CHARD | I will select the default |
| 21:33.25 | R1CHARD | Thanks :D |
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| 21:33.39 | jade | EdLin: actually i want to place the db (which would grow to be very large) on an ext3 partition. how can find out what the max file size is ? |
| 21:33.50 | groogs | what's the "staff" group for? |
| 21:33.53 | De_Mon | It sure is humbling to have to call a hosting company several times in one day to reboot your sever |
| 21:33.55 | Bucciarati | smart questions deserve smart answers |
| 21:34.13 | mirfdesk | Bucciarati, heh |
| 21:34.15 | EdLin | jade: earlier you were asking how many files, which is a different question than max file size |
| 21:34.32 | De_Mon | stupid questions deserve LART beatings |
| 21:34.40 | EdLin | jade: the maximum file size is pretty darned big with a modern kernel. |
| 21:35.12 | fatal_ | (+ a modern filesystem.) |
| 21:35.16 | smoo2 | woa! how come i have a 2.4 kernel?? does debian have a 2.6 kernel to apt-get???? |
| 21:35.17 | jade | EdLin: whoops right, what is max number of files, but i am trying to learn both. |
| 21:35.37 | Nwallins | smoo2: heh, yeah you have to type `linux26` with debian installer to get the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:35.47 | smoo2 | Nwallins, nooooooooo |
| 21:35.54 | smoo2 | oh man |
| 21:35.57 | Nwallins | smoo2: it's easy to get the 2.6 |
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| 21:36.01 | fatal_ | smoo2: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 21:36.13 | fatal_ | or linux-image-2.6 on testing/unstable. |
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| 21:36.23 | Nwallins | plus you can get i686 or smp or amd64 or whatever matches your killer hardware ;) |
| 21:36.30 | Drakas | why doesnt apt-getinstall allthe dependencies, i remember it used to do that in my old system... |
| 21:36.40 | fatal_ | Drakas: it does. |
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| 21:36.42 | strider | Drakas: it does |
| 21:36.43 | Drakas | im on sarge |
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| 21:37.07 | Drakas | strider, fatal_ so why does it say that *** package depends on *** but itwill not be installed |
| 21:37.14 | jade | EdLin: for max file size, i have kernel image 2.6 for x86, 32 bit. i had thought there was a 2 GB file size limit |
| 21:37.16 | Drakas | or something likethat |
| 21:37.24 | fatal_ | Drakas: broken dependencies. |
| 21:37.31 | strider | ^^ |
| 21:37.32 | fatal_ | Drakas: try apt-get update |
| 21:37.32 | Drakas | fatal_ well, what to do? |
| 21:37.38 | Drakas | ok let me see |
| 21:37.45 | Drakas | i had a problem with apt-get check |
| 21:37.47 | EdLin | jade: I think larger files are supported now |
| 21:37.54 | smoo2 | when i instal the 2.6 then, will apt make it the default in grub or do i have to do that? |
| 21:38.10 | fatal_ | smoo2: grub is automatic... lilo needs manual tweaking. |
| 21:38.30 | smoo2 | cool |
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| 21:39.01 | Drakas | heh i just did apt-get -f install and its installing deps i think |
| 21:39.47 | jade | EdLin: looks like the answer for ext3 is 2GB-2TB [http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/calish_filesys.html] |
| 21:40.16 | Drakas | ok now its asking for /cdrom/ although my media is in /media/cdrom1/ |
| 21:40.26 | Drakas | i did apt-cdrom add /media/cdrom1/ |
| 21:40.46 | Drakas | but how do i remove/cdrom/ from thelist? doesnt seem that there wouldbe any explanation in manual |
| 21:40.47 | jade | EdLin: 2TiB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
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| 21:41.08 | EdLin | jade: thanks for the information |
| 21:41.29 | duxbarak | something keeps using my bandwidth whenever i dial-up, for about 10 minutes every time, how do i find out what it is? |
| 21:41.31 | EdLin | jade: I knew the limit went up, but didn't remember how much |
| 21:41.53 | RobGotti | how do I config my network card ? |
| 21:42.39 | streuner | RobGotti: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:42.39 | EdLin | duxbarak: check to see if you've been root kitted (just to be sure) |
| 21:42.44 | Jivco | what is virtualized cluster ? |
| 21:42.49 | Drakas | anyone?! |
| 21:42.51 | jade | EdLin: heh, ... still dont know exactly max number of files |
| 21:42.54 | jade | EdLin: how can i check the max number of inodes for my ext3 filesystem? |
| 21:43.02 | vin` | tarzeau: http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ooh9qw.png |
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| 21:43.18 | duxbarak | EdLin: what is root kitted ? |
| 21:43.28 | abrotman | duxbarak: cracked |
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| 21:43.36 | vin` | duxbarak: google for rkhunter |
| 21:43.49 | duxbarak | no it's not that, i think it's some kind of updateing |
| 21:44.20 | R1CHARD | what kind of detection of peripheric do you recomended me? |
| 21:44.26 | EdLin | duxbarak: Debian shouldn't be doing any updating unless you've told it to. |
| 21:44.30 | R1CHARD | automatly or manual? |
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| 21:45.08 | grex | guten abend |
| 21:45.17 | duxbarak | i thought it might be clamav, i told debian to be a webserver when i installed, but it kept doing it after i killed freshclam |
| 21:45.19 | streuner | fuck |
| 21:45.22 | EdLin | jade: I know e2fsck displays it, there may be another way to find out how many inodes are free |
| 21:45.25 | streuner | grex: speak english |
| 21:45.26 | tyranix | jade: It depends on how you setup the fs. Try doing 'df -i'. It doesn't appear to work for reiserfs but it probably works for ext3. |
| 21:45.30 | grex | oh good evening |
| 21:45.34 | gnufan | Argh -- did Debian install - reboot base system "Grub error 18" redid with separate /boot, and it kind of worked but it was incredibly slow loading GRUB, and I got a load of weird errors from reiserfs (always use it) when the system booted... Weird disk drive issue? Any ideas? |
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| 21:45.42 | Drakas | how do i remove/cdrom/ from the apt list? doesnt seem that there wouldbe any explanation in manual |
| 21:45.55 | vulture | Drakas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:45.58 | Nwallins | Drakas: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:46.00 | Drakas | thanks! |
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| 21:46.12 | R1CHARD | you don't need remove, you need change |
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| 21:46.22 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 21:46.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:46.32 | streuner | grex: well, we have people all over the world, do you want say good evening to somebody who living in .nz or .au too? |
| 21:46.37 | theD3viL | hey, now have gnome and nvidia drivers installed, everything works, but still is LAG in the system. When i move the window, it breaking..and minimize/maximize...all laging..why? |
| 21:46.56 | ilian | What is virtualized cluster ? |
| 21:47.18 | streuner | grex: or somebody who living in .us or .ca - they are in afternoon, .au people are in early morning |
| 21:47.18 | EdLin | brb |
| 21:47.22 | Nwallins | theD3viL: sounds like the nvidia drivers aren't working properly |
| 21:47.22 | R1CHARD | one question more, Debian Sarge, which X have to default? |
| 21:47.23 | grex | sorry, bad beginning, i see .. hello to all should fits all |
| 21:47.31 | Nwallins | R1CHARD: XFree86 |
| 21:47.31 | grex | i understand |
| 21:47.35 | streuner | sounds better |
| 21:47.45 | Nwallins | grex: don't sweat it. it's afternoon here |
| 21:47.48 | duxbarak | how do i use ntop? or is there a better package? |
| 21:47.54 | R1CHARD | Oh, I'm sorry, which Desktop? |
| 21:48.13 | R1CHARD | I ask wrong :( |
| 21:48.14 | Nwallins | R1CHARD: both kde and gnome are available |
| 21:48.15 | gnufan | EdLin: thanks - you could have just suggested "acpi=off" ;) |
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| 21:48.26 | streuner | grex: another thing, on channels its not usual to say hello or hi, because there are too many people |
| 21:48.27 | R1CHARD | KDE :D ,, good! |
| 21:48.41 | streuner | grex: we have over 800 people here |
| 21:48.42 | theD3viL | Nwallins, yes, but i get about 1000fps with nvidia mx420. BUT when i run glxgears, and moving some window...fps's falls to ~100 |
| 21:49.03 | R1CHARD | I new in Debian, I used for one year another distribution |
| 21:49.07 | Drakas | i amtrying to install nVidia Geforce 6600 (250MB), AGP8x, running the nvidia installer seems not to find any kernel headers, anyideas? |
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| 21:49.11 | Nwallins | theD3viL: i have no idea, really. sorry |
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| 21:49.17 | R1CHARD | and now I started in Debian, Debian Sarge :D |
| 21:49.22 | grex | and as you expected i've got a problem with debian. It's a little bit curious, cause it is really not my first installation, but the first on a 64bit system, with the amd64 cd set. but at the point where the base system is about to be installed, it says: "no installation cdrom found and no suitable network mirror"... |
| 21:49.25 | theD3viL | Nwallins, okey, tnx for reply |
| 21:49.31 | Nwallins | theD3viL: :) |
| 21:49.31 | jade | tyranix, EdLin : thanks, df -i showed me the answer quickly, e2fsck seems to want to run tests, so i needed to research the command line options |
| 21:49.46 | streuner | grex: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 21:50.17 | R1CHARD | I will return is some minutes |
| 21:50.27 | grex | will try it... streuner. How to say Hello in a heavy used channel? |
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| 21:50.38 | streuner | grex: you don't |
| 21:50.46 | plb | hrm compiz has been released?? |
| 21:50.49 | duxbarak | where do i point my browser to view ntop's output? |
| 21:50.51 | Nwallins | grex: or put it as the first sentence in your question |
| 21:51.13 | Nafai | When running synaptic, it tries to use a 'gtk' frontend to apt-listchanges but apt-listchanges complains that there is none |
| 21:51.19 | Nafai | I there a fix for this? |
| 21:51.44 | grex | Well that is different to my interpretation of netiquette but maybe it is like you say |
| 21:51.59 | Nwallins | grex: just try to use an abbreviation in here! |
| 21:52.23 | streuner | ;-) |
| 21:52.29 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys smite |
| 21:52.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key (13 of 152): CMD: clogsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: crappastesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: cshsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: helpsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: lagsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: lilosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: newbiesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nutsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: rms-smite (.*?) ;; CMD: shanemacgowansmite (.*?) ;; CMD: slashdotsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: smitessmite (.*?) ;; CMD: yorkshiresmite (.*?). |
| 21:52.32 | strider | Nafai: dpkg-reconfigure debconf or install libgnome2-perl |
| 21:52.36 | chealer | !tell Drakas about nvidia-installer |
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| 21:52.54 | Nafai | strider: Thanks, trying that. |
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| 21:53.02 | streuner | so 152 options |
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| 21:53.31 | theD3viL | Anyone maybe knows why my system lags, i have installed nvidia drivers, hdparm shows me 56mb/s! |
| 21:53.49 | streuner | hm, sounds very good to me |
| 21:53.58 | duxbarak | is everyone ignoring me, or can no one answer my question, or is there a problem with my internet/client ? once more ... where do i point my browser to view ntop's output? |
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| 21:54.45 | Jhair | duxbarak: I would be surprised if that isn't described in the ntop man page |
| 21:54.47 | strider | duxbarak: man ntop maybe? |
| 21:54.53 | duxbarak | tried, doesn't say |
| 21:55.05 | duxbarak | only says that you can |
| 21:55.24 | Jhair | duxbarak: the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ntop maybe? |
| 21:55.33 | Drakas | i dont understand what dpkg said ;/ |
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| 21:56.08 | chealer | Drakas: NVIDIA's binary graphics drivers installer isn't supported here |
| 21:56.11 | theD3viL | everyone had errors about udev in 2.6.15-1 kernel? |
| 21:56.16 | streuner | duxbarak: ever tried 'iptraf' ? |
| 21:56.26 | streuner | !info iptraf |
| 21:56.31 | dpkg | iptraf: (Interactive Colorful IP LAN Monitor), section net, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-8 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 720 kB |
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| 21:57.16 | duxbarak | ok, i'll try iptraf, thanks |
| 21:57.20 | streuner | theD3viL: you asking the wrong question, the question should rather, who hasn't any problems with udev? ;-) |
| 21:57.38 | theD3viL | streuner, how to solve it? :P |
| 21:57.47 | mirfdesk | can someone help me get my midisport 2x4 working? |
| 21:57.55 | streuner | theD3viL: hm, apt-get remove udev? |
| 21:58.14 | theD3viL | streuner, :P |
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| 22:00.27 | Drakas | :( |
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| 22:00.41 | mirfdesk | bohaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 22:00.43 | Drakas | theD3viL you probably didnt patch the kernel sources did you? |
| 22:00.43 | plb | mmmm anyone try this compiz yet?? |
| 22:00.48 | plb | looks nice |
| 22:00.52 | grex | well, the tips of dpkg amd64 are not helpful for me. i think it is more a problem with my hardware in common to specific amd64 architecture issues |
| 22:01.03 | Drakas | plb talk in a language that only you dont talk in |
| 22:01.05 | grex | ahh. excuse my faulty english by the way |
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| 22:01.15 | theD3viL | Drakas, hm...nope.. :) tnx |
| 22:01.17 | plb | Drakas: http://www.linuxedge.org/ |
| 22:01.18 | streuner | grex: /j #debian-amd64 and look for 'LSorensen' |
| 22:01.22 | Drakas | grex your english isgood |
| 22:01.23 | FliesLikeALap | what SMTP server would you guys recommend? |
| 22:01.51 | streuner | grex: or/and mrvn |
| 22:01.53 | Drakas | theD3viL download thepatch for 2.6.15-1 and then tar -zxf patch-***.gz , then copy the file |
| 22:01.54 | De_Mon | in vim what filetype shows unequal { }'s |
| 22:02.12 | theD3viL | Drakas, this? linux-patch-debian-2.6.15 - Debian patches to version 2.6.15 of the Linux kernel ? |
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| 22:02.24 | Drakas | to linux-2.6.15-1 and do "patch -p1 -R < patch-***" |
| 22:02.33 | grex | streuner: i'll look and put it in my mind ;) |
| 22:02.34 | theD3viL | aha |
| 22:02.41 | grex | Drakas: nice to hear |
| 22:02.42 | theD3viL | Drakas, so it isnt in repos? |
| 22:02.43 | Drakas | theD3viL i am notsure but i think that it's debians pre-builtkernels patch |
| 22:02.43 | grex | read.. ;) |
| 22:02.44 | Drakas | orsomething |
| 22:02.48 | streuner | grex: if you didn't get an answer |
| 22:02.56 | Drakas | grex thats the problem |
| 22:02.56 | streuner | grex: read ML about |
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| 22:03.01 | gnufan | I hate ACPI -- it must have been invented by an evil empire of some sort..... |
| 22:03.12 | streuner | grex: ML=mailing-list for amd64 |
| 22:03.14 | theD3viL | Drakas, ill try patch in repos and then your k? :) |
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| 22:03.26 | starfishy | gnufan: i dont think you are far from the truth |
| 22:03.54 | sandman_ | Can linux work around WIndows XP's "Dynamic Disk" format for the hdds? |
| 22:03.58 | grex | I'll look. |
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| 22:04.18 | streuner | grex: mrvn should be there... |
| 22:04.23 | theD3viL | brb |
| 22:05.22 | Drakas | ...just told him what i know :) |
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| 22:05.24 | grex | well, he/she's there, but nobody is talking, i don't like it to avoid people by directly messagin them |
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| 22:06.38 | Drakas | sandman_what ar eyou talking about dynamic disk,whats that? |
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| 22:07.01 | sandman_ | Yeah |
| 22:07.12 | De_Mon | ok, walk me through this. I setup 2 interfaces eth0 with a public IP and gateway, eth1 with a private IP and gateway. |
| 22:07.15 | sandman_ | Under Computer management there's an option to turn a normal disk itno a "dynamic disk", wherein you may resize partitions. |
| 22:07.21 | sandman_ | I'm gathering that it has something to do with teh partition table |
| 22:07.25 | De_Mon | auto eth0 eth1 |
| 22:07.44 | Shadowcat | don't ever convert to dynamic disks |
| 22:07.46 | De_Mon | when eth1 is up eth0 doesn't respond (because it's using eth1's gaeway?) |
| 22:07.59 | De_Mon | Shadowcat ? |
| 22:08.22 | sandman_ | Well, I need a way to resize thisahere ntfs partition. |
| 22:08.24 | sandman_ | Any suggestions? |
| 22:08.24 | De_Mon | if your running windowsXP/2000+ dynamic disks are IT |
| 22:08.25 | Drakas | hwo do i install .deb packages? |
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| 22:08.40 | wwallace | CPU[AMD Athlon 64 3200+ clocked at 2210.987 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.15.1-kanotix-3 i686] Up[-15min-] Mem[-345.379/1137.21MB-] HDD[-1072GB(64%used)-] Procs[-91-] Client[X-Chat 2.4.5] |
| 22:08.41 | De_Mon | Drakas apt-get install <package> or dpkg -i <package.deb> |
| 22:08.47 | streuner | grex: hm, no response, prolly busy |
| 22:08.52 | Drakas | okthanks, the second one is what i want |
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| 22:09.10 | theD3viL | still wont...the error about udev/libs are still there. |
| 22:09.25 | Drakas | wwallace nice specs, isthat really 1072GB disk ( 1.072 TB ) ? |
| 22:09.28 | abrotman | wwallace: why do you always fucking do that? |
| 22:09.39 | wwallace | abrotman: hi |
| 22:09.42 | petemc | abrotman: you need to ask? |
| 22:09.49 | wwallace | is more like 7 hd's Drakas |
| 22:09.54 | abrotman | petemc: wwallace is a sad wanker eh? |
| 22:10.02 | petemc | well.. |
| 22:10.02 | wwallace | whats a wanker? |
| 22:10.08 | petemc | onanism |
| 22:10.09 | abrotman | wwallace: go find a mirror |
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| 22:10.26 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 22:10.27 | wwallace | actually i made a mistake abrotman i was suppose to do that in another channel |
| 22:10.37 | wwallace | im sorry if it bthers you so much |
| 22:10.40 | abrotman | wwallace: nice try .. you do it every time you join here |
| 22:10.41 | sobersabre | I am supposedly (afaik) running etch. |
| 22:11.02 | sobersabre | if I cat my /etc/debian_version... I see testing/unstable |
| 22:11.03 | wwallace | #debian i just love it |
| 22:11.06 | wwallace | never changes |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | sobersabre: and? |
| 22:11.22 | wwallace | ok c ya |
| 22:11.24 | wwallace | sorry |
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| 22:11.35 | sobersabre | hm. isn't it supposed to be a testing or unstable ... |
| 22:11.36 | abrotman | he didn't ask a qustion .. nothing .. all the damn time |
| 22:11.37 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 22:12.06 | sobersabre | abrotman, maybe he was sniffing... |
| 22:12.12 | abrotman | maybe |
| 22:12.17 | sobersabre | and the line noise was the same..as before. |
| 22:12.30 | sobersabre | anyway. i think i am tired and confused. |
| 22:12.55 | sobersabre | isn't testing - one branch and unstable another ? |
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| 22:13.03 | streuner | yes |
| 22:13.06 | abrotman | sobersabre: that's fine |
| 22:13.13 | sifi-xz | what is the patentrelated problems with mplayer |
| 22:13.14 | Drakas | 7 hds ? |
| 22:13.20 | sobersabre | and shouldn't i have either testing XOR unstable in /etc/debian_version ? |
| 22:13.23 | Drakas | what a waste,just cuold get two 500gs :D |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | no |
| 22:13.29 | streuner | sifi-xz: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 22:13.51 | beardy | !tell sifi-xz about mplayer legal saga |
| 22:13.51 | sobersabre | abrotman, are you talking to mee ? |
| 22:14.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:14.39 | sobersabre | well then, i am running a so-called 'unstable' which is handled by the specially trained and allocated secutity team.... RIGHT ? |
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| 22:14.51 | XoR | sobersabre: why you hilghlight me :) |
| 22:15.09 | sobersabre | XoR, i haven't stop using annoying irc clients. |
| 22:15.33 | sobersabre | s/\ stop/\.\ stop/ |
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| 22:15.45 | bucky | sobersabre: 'unstable' is for people who can answer their own questions |
| 22:15.49 | De_Mon | err, in sarge sudo is v 1.6.8p7 and it's screwed up. how do I downgrade to something that preserves my env variables |
| 22:15.50 | sanmarcos | 2000 milliseconds is 2 minutes? |
| 22:16.11 | quitte | sanmarcos: no |
| 22:16.13 | WireDDD | no |
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| 22:16.32 | sanmarcos | quitte: better checkout google :) |
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| 22:16.58 | quitte | sanmarcos: 60 seconds is a minute |
| 22:17.01 | WireDDD | 2 000 milliseconds = 0.0333333333 minutes |
| 22:17.11 | sobersabre | bucky, some people still communicate. and if a matter bores them, they ... shut up. i sometimes even answer questions. and sometimes I ask. |
| 22:17.14 | De_Mon | ah screw it I'll use testing |
| 22:17.16 | WireDDD | according to google |
| 22:17.18 | phogg | sobersabre: 's/ stop/\. stop/' is much more readable |
| 22:17.30 | De_Mon | sobersabre why? |
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| 22:17.48 | bucky | sobersabre: so where did this crap come from -> "allocated secutity team.... RIGHT ?" |
| 22:18.14 | sobersabre | bucy. flat humor is still humor. |
| 22:18.19 | bucky | sobersabre: are you just being a smart ass or what? |
| 22:18.27 | sobersabre | hmm... how bucy came out ... :) |
| 22:18.37 | bucky | sobersabre: you're a smart ass |
| 22:18.37 | sobersabre | bucky, that too. |
| 22:18.49 | bucky | sobersabre: so fuck you |
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| 22:19.05 | phogg | I can tell it's all hitgh brow stuff tonight |
| 22:19.06 | sobersabre | bucky, you know the f-word! |
| 22:19.28 | streuner | !listkeys smite |
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| 22:19.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key returned no results. |
| 22:19.36 | streuner | heh |
| 22:19.38 | streuner | wtf? |
| 22:19.43 | bucky | sobersabre: what's up with you people... don't you have enough enemies all ready? |
| 22:19.49 | streuner | is dpkg insane? |
| 22:20.01 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.04 | sobersabre | oops |
| 22:20.15 | Drakas | :D |
| 22:20.18 | phogg | streuner: listkeys *smite aybe |
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| 22:20.20 | petemc | streuner: itym listvals |
| 22:20.22 | bucky | sobersabre: i though people from il were supposed to be smarty |
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| 22:20.27 | streuner | hm |
| 22:20.30 | beardy | streuner: I guess listing in channel is disabled, and that's good. |
| 22:20.36 | streuner | petemc: it did work before |
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| 22:20.57 | petemc | !listvals smite |
| 22:20.58 | streuner | beardy: well, somebody could easily paste it ;-) |
| 22:20.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by value (15 of 24): CMD: alicesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: apostrophesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: camelsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: lagsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nutsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: phillysmite (.*?) ;; CMD: smite (.*?) ;; CMD: smitesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: smitessmite (.*?) ;; CMD: vaginamite (.*?) ;; CMD: vaguenesssmite (.*?) ;; exodus 8:2 ;; ipu ;; peterssmite ;; qotd58. |
| 22:21.09 | beardy | streuner: Of course. |
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| 22:21.16 | sobersabre | bucky, don't believe stereotypes. |
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| 22:21.32 | bucky | sobersabre: ok then.. you're stupid |
| 22:22.09 | icebit | hi all |
| 22:22.19 | streuner | bucky: use /ignore |
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| 22:23.25 | phogg | I love automation... |
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| 22:24.06 | ilian | i am going to install debian - what file system is better EXT3 or Raiser FS ? |
| 22:24.11 | abrotman | ext3 |
| 22:24.19 | streuner | !filesystem |
| 22:24.19 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem was You can tune a filesystem, but you can't tune a fish. see fs comparison |
| 22:24.22 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 22:24.22 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 22:24.25 | phogg | ilian: it depends on what you want to do with it. For most people it doesn't matter. |
| 22:24.34 | chealer | ilian: none |
| 22:24.39 | beardy | ilian: better is what you consider best and most appropriate for the situation, but I would use ext3. |
| 22:25.05 | ilian | chealer:what do you meen ? |
| 22:25.09 | abrotman | streuner: !fs comparison |
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| 22:25.24 | streuner | abrotman: didn't know that factoid |
| 22:25.34 | streuner | !fs comparison |
| 22:25.34 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 22:25.42 | sobersabre | ilian, i had a nice bladecenter with reiserfs. untill i got problems with its journal. |
| 22:26.14 | sobersabre | so i can't read neither journal, nor gazette, nor the data now. |
| 22:26.34 | Shadowcat | I run reiser4 on all my machines |
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| 22:26.37 | Shadowcat | no problems what so ever |
| 22:26.50 | chealer | ilian: neither is strictly superior to the other |
| 22:26.51 | beardy | (yet) ;) |
| 22:27.11 | sobersabre | Shadowcat, i had to run it with reiserfs3 (SLES9) |
| 22:27.13 | Guerin | Shadowcat: in the immortal words of Master Yoda: "You will be." |
| 22:27.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:27.23 | Guerin | suse |
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| 22:27.24 | Guerin | what a joke |
| 22:27.30 | Shadowcat | Guerin: ya but that might happen with any other fs as well |
| 22:27.31 | sobersabre | yep. |
| 22:27.33 | streuner | hm, so Yoda is immortal? |
| 22:27.39 | Shadowcat | so far I've had two power failures, one hd failure |
| 22:27.46 | Shadowcat | and several forced shutdowns |
| 22:27.49 | Guerin | streuner: no, his words are |
| 22:27.50 | Shadowcat | no problems yet |
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| 22:27.54 | Guerin | http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
| 22:27.58 | streuner | Guerin: oh :-) |
| 22:28.08 | Shadowcat | of course this is a raid5 system we're talking about |
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| 22:28.26 | Guerin | ricer ... on raid |
| 22:28.29 | DragonD | Hello |
| 22:28.29 | phogg | It's not about whether you've had problems |
| 22:28.33 | Guerin | omglols |
| 22:28.39 | phogg | it's about what your options are when you do |
| 22:28.58 | Guerin | reiser4 hasn't even existed for long enough to really be a known quantity |
| 22:29.31 | abrotman | reiser3 sucked bad enough to be a good indicator |
| 22:29.41 | Guerin | indeed |
| 22:29.48 | Guerin | but isn't 4 a ground-up rewrite? |
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| 22:30.02 | sobersabre | Guerin, your link: yep... if you choose non md5 encryption...but i slightly dislike that distro. |
| 22:30.32 | sobersabre | so i better shutup: i won't say anything constuctive. |
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| 22:30.50 | DragonD | how can i make my own init.d scripts? |
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| 22:30.58 | DragonD | or where can i find an example? |
| 22:30.58 | Guerin | sobersabre: the warning should be "don't choose this encryption method, it's bloody insecure since you can only have 8-character passwords" |
| 22:31.09 | tarzeau | DragonD: examples are in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:31.09 | Guerin | DragonD: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 22:31.48 | sobersabre | Guerin, i don't know how this installer looks like, i chose textual one... i wanted to puke otherwise. |
| 22:32.48 | sobersabre | but, the idea of webmin without web server ( YaST ) is not bad. |
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| 22:33.11 | sobersabre | shall we have a debmin ? |
| 22:33.14 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:33.33 | |valinux|xbm-x| | uummm YES i got finaly |
| 22:33.52 | WireDDD | ookkk |
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| 22:34.07 | |valinux|xbm-x| | sorry wrong chat |
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| 22:36.51 | |valinux|xbm-x| | i'm done making my kool irc program can i test? |
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| 22:37.30 | abrotman | not here .. try #flood |
| 22:37.38 | |valinux|xbm-x| | ok |
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| 22:39.01 | grelli | did I miss the memo? |
| 22:39.10 | grelli | when did we start using a k for cool again? |
| 22:39.14 | cisse | ok this is odd, just did a passwd as root on my debian system, said password updated sucessfully, logged out and the new password didn't work and the old password still worked |
| 22:39.37 | WireDDD | grelli, I think it was |valinux|xbm-x| that missed the memo |
| 22:40.03 | WireDDD | either that or he is a kde dev ;) |
| 22:40.11 | strider | !kool |
| 22:40.11 | dpkg | it's spelt COOL! |
| 22:40.13 | cisse | hrm nm commented line in /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 22:40.29 | grelli | WireDDD: ooh, I didn't think of that |
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| 22:40.59 | grelli | does that mean kool and the gang was actually led by a not-as-of-yet kde dev? |
| 22:42.22 | Seb | can anyone recommend a good website to test my connection speed ? |
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| 22:43.14 | fluor- | hi there - I usually use my USB hard-disks w/o any partition table, using the whole device, i.e. /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 - is there any reason why I should not do that? (just wondering) |
| 22:43.20 | cisse | Seb: wget psychosis.net/10MB |
| 22:43.31 | bucky | Seb: http://www.auditmypc.com/internet-speed-test.asp |
| 22:43.34 | Seb | cisse: nah I need to mesure upload speed too |
| 22:43.37 | Seb | buqthanks |
| 22:43.37 | markybob | seb www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ www.dslreports.com/stest etc |
| 22:43.43 | Seb | bucky: thanks |
| 22:43.46 | eeyore- | 1f u c4n r34d +h15 y0u n33d +o h4v3 m0r3 s3x |
| 22:43.58 | grelli | eeyore-: I'm trying! |
| 22:44.08 | beardy | eeyore-: So do you if you can type it. |
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| 22:45.12 | eeyore- | fluor-: no real reason |
| 22:45.30 | eeyore- | fluor-: except some operating systems just don't like not having partition tables, but if you don't use them, no real reason |
| 22:45.58 | WireDDD | do you save that much space without a partition table? |
| 22:45.58 | eeyore- | fluor-: you'd better hope the device honors begin/end sectors properly ;-) a partition table kind of guard against this |
| 22:45.59 | fluor- | eeyore-: I use ext3 on them, so I guess contents are hard to access from within other OS'es anyways |
| 22:46.14 | cisse | there is a decent ext3 reader for windows |
| 22:46.16 | fluor- | eeyore-: ah, now that is a reason |
| 22:46.16 | DragonD | with /etc/init.d/skeleton does it run as root or as a different user? |
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| 22:46.35 | fluor- | hmm, does Windows read disks w/o partition tables, then? :) |
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| 22:46.49 | WireDDD | I wouldn't think so |
| 22:46.50 | j0k3r | Hi all |
| 22:46.53 | eeyore- | fluor-: no, windows expect a partition table |
| 22:46.58 | fluor- | ah. |
| 22:47.12 | fluor- | well, I don't share much data with Windows users anyways, but that _could_ happen |
| 22:47.17 | j0k3r | can any1 plz tell me which pkgs do i have to apt to get make-kpkg ? |
| 22:47.18 | j0k3r | plz |
| 22:47.19 | j0k3r | ? |
| 22:47.21 | j0k3r | thanks |
| 22:47.33 | j0k3r | it's not available on my sarge |
| 22:47.40 | liable | kernel-package.. |
| 22:47.48 | eeyore- | fluor-: one reason you might not want partition table is to make it harder to guess what could be on the device, without a partition table it could conceivably be "random data" or "part of a raid volume" |
| 22:48.23 | j0k3r | i have downloaded latest kernel sources, tar.bz2 package |
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| 22:48.55 | eeyore- | j0k3r: "plain vanilla kernel" < debian kernel with basic patches |
| 22:49.03 | beardy | johns^: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:49.18 | mattwestm | why does audio work with xmms but not with firefox? |
| 22:49.20 | eeyore- | joker: test |
| 22:49.20 | beardy | j0k3r: that was for you.. |
| 22:49.27 | j0k3r | thx |
| 22:49.32 | eeyore- | bah, bitchx doesn't have elite-nick-rewriting module? |
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| 22:49.51 | |valinux|xbm-x| | i'm trashing this program my hard work going to hell of well :/ |
| 22:49.53 | xiaogil | how to downoad this page using wget ? => http://groups.google.com/groups?q=foo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 22:49.56 | sobersabre | hm..has anybody heard/read/seen that book "the debian systems: concepts and techniques" ? |
| 22:50.03 | fluor- | eeyore-: thanks for the details! |
| 22:50.23 | fluor- | cisse: last time I checked, ext3 for windows was buggy - is it working now, |
| 22:50.26 | fluor- | s/,/? |
| 22:50.48 | sobersabre | eeyore-, just don't let anyone to de-tail you. |
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| 22:51.04 | js_ | fluor-: i copied 200gb using explore2fs |
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| 22:51.17 | eeyore- | sobersabre: techniques = "wait for the molass to drip, and wait some more, before releasing a stable version", "bitch forever about politics", "kick out any stuff that isn't GPL" :-)))))) |
| 22:51.43 | morcy | hello... good night (at least in Spain) |
| 22:52.11 | morcy | I've one simple question: How can I send a fax using a GSM modem? |
| 22:52.14 | fluor- | js_: ok, I'll check it out again, cool |
| 22:52.15 | sobersabre | eeyore-, except the molass idiom, i think i got the idea... |
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| 22:52.49 | eeyore- | sobersabre: instead of molass, that should be .... what's that slowest-dripping ever "solid"? |
| 22:53.05 | |valinux|xbm-x| | it's seems like theres not that may hackers doing a good job today i just got this guy trying to break on my server lol |
| 22:53.08 | sobersabre | eeyore-, btw, i'd like to argue about gpl'ing everything. |
| 22:53.14 | sobersabre | ;-] |
| 22:53.33 | Jivco | how to partition a harddrive for a mail server with about 50 uesrs? |
| 22:54.04 | j0k3r | guys make-kpkg worked....thanks !!! |
| 22:54.05 | eeyore- | Jivco: nothing special |
| 22:54.05 | sobersabre | does anybody here really think there should be "no software patents" and every software should be gpl ? |
| 22:54.17 | sobersabre | j0k3r, doesn't it work after you install kernel-package ? |
| 22:54.18 | markybob | Jivco: 50 is really nothing. unless you decide to keep an archive of all their mail for the next 20 years |
| 22:54.20 | jade | any using ReiserFS ? |
| 22:54.24 | j0k3r | yes |
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| 22:54.45 | jade | j0k3r: how is performance? |
| 22:54.48 | |valinux|xbm-x| | bye guys see ya later |
| 22:54.54 | |valinux|xbm-x| | ..--,..maya..--, |
| 22:54.54 | |valinux|xbm-x| | (.(..\.---./..).) |
| 22:54.54 | |valinux|xbm-x| | .'.__/o...o\__.' |
| 22:54.54 | |valinux|xbm-x| | ....{=..^..=} |
| 22:54.54 | |valinux|xbm-x| | .....>..-..< |
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| 22:54.55 | Vooloo | is it possible to see the time on a remote box without having access? |
| 22:54.58 | markybob | Jivco: you'll probably wanna use maildir, which would keep the mail boxes in their /home/ folders. so keep that in mind and make /home a bit larger than normal if you really wanna be careful |
| 22:55.03 | sobersabre | what a rat... |
| 22:55.12 | markybob | a rat bastard, you mean |
| 22:55.16 | eeyore- | sobersabre: http://www.uq.edu.au/news/?article=8023 |
| 22:55.22 | sobersabre | Vooloo, you must have at least "time" access. |
| 22:55.41 | eeyore- | sobersabre: "pitch drop experiment" eight drops since 1930 |
| 22:55.44 | sobersabre | markybob, yep... |
| 22:56.04 | Vooloo | sobersabre: is there no server you could query then? |
| 22:56.07 | eeyore- | debian stable releases come just a tad faster than pitch drop |
| 22:56.32 | WireDDD | heh |
| 22:56.38 | eeyore- | Vooloo: sure, phone someone who has access |
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| 22:57.19 | sobersabre | Vooloo, you've asked about a remote box. |
| 22:57.27 | Vooloo | yeah :P |
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| 22:57.37 | sobersabre | i thought you mean a particular machine. |
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| 22:58.14 | smoo2 | hi, how can I tell if the dvb modules are comiled for my current kernel |
| 22:58.31 | snorii2 | Intel 945 chipset - Will it work?, seems to be unsupported... |
| 22:58.44 | sobersabre | then... you can know what's its system time, if that machine runs either daytime..or ntp server. |
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| 22:59.18 | sobersabre | or if it runs other service that discovers system time... for the connection. |
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| 22:59.33 | sobersabre | Vooloo, wtf is that you actually want to do ? |
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| 22:59.52 | Vooloo | just check the exact timestamp that the server has configured :P |
| 23:00.03 | Gnea | Vooloo: for what purpose? |
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| 23:00.37 | sobersabre | Vooloo, if you want to keep machines in sync, use ntp. |
| 23:00.44 | abrotman | ntpdate ? |
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| 23:01.25 | tyranix | What's the recommended way to remove xdm but still keep x-window-system installed? Equivs? |
| 23:01.51 | sobersabre | abrotman, but you must have an ntpd on one machine. |
| 23:01.57 | Gnea | tyranix: removing xdm won't remove x-window-system |
| 23:01.57 | WireDDD | install kdm or gdm or something |
| 23:02.03 | tyranix | Or would the xdm maintainer accept a patch to have it use /etc/default/xdm? |
| 23:02.04 | beardy | tyranix: Why do you want to remove it? Because you don't want to use it, or because of space? |
| 23:02.06 | cisse | uh oh, restarted my mdadm raid5 array after a crash, now i can't mount it, tells me no super block, tried mke2fs -n to get multiple of where it would be, any ideas |
| 23:02.07 | Jivco | I'm using amavis with spamassassin and clamav. When clamav scans an attached .zip file, it first decompress it. If someone send me small .zip file but after the decompression it gets VERY big, how can I restrict amavis to stop scanning and abort the attached file? |
| 23:02.20 | tyranix | Gnea: In aptitude it wants to. |
| 23:02.25 | Gnea | tyranix: submit it and see what happens |
| 23:02.30 | tyranix | beardy: Because I prefer to use startx. |
| 23:02.33 | Gnea | tyranix: you can disable it with update-rc.d |
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| 23:02.47 | sobersabre | okh, you maybe meant the package.. (with both daemon and client..) right ? |
| 23:02.48 | beardy | !tell tyranix -about nodm |
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| 23:03.18 | abrotman | sobersabre: use pool.ntp.org |
| 23:03.50 | tyranix | beardy: Ahh thanks, I didn't know about /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 23:04.04 | beardy | tyranix: np |
| 23:04.13 | snorii2 | Anyone used the "Intel Quick Start Kit for Linux" for their mobos? |
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| 23:05.23 | snorii2 | Jivco: may inc the siz temp, but should be orig by the time u get it... |
| 23:06.39 | xiaogil | when I run $cat a.html | grep "1 - 10"; I get => "Results <b>1 - 10</b> of 2,520,000", how can i get only the last number of this line ? |
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| 23:07.13 | sobersabre | eeyore-, is that book downloadable ? |
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| 23:07.30 | amphi | xiaogil: you could use awk |
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| 23:07.46 | eeyore- | sobersabre: which book? |
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| 23:08.07 | sobersabre | "debian system: concepts & techniques" |
| 23:08.12 | secureboot | how many processors can linux support, if you recompile the kernel to support them? |
| 23:08.19 | eeyore- | sobersabre: no idea |
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| 23:08.26 | sobersabre | secureboot, how many do you have ? |
| 23:08.36 | xiaogil | amphi: okay... it works perfect with awk |
| 23:08.48 | eeyore- | Vooloo: what good does it do to "check time". do you want accurate timekeeping or not? if not, why do you care? |
| 23:08.53 | eeyore- | Vooloo: if you do care, run ntpd |
| 23:08.57 | eeyore- | Vooloo: simple |
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| 23:09.21 | secureboot | sobersabre: trying to figure out it it'll work for 200-300 processors, from a software standpoint |
| 23:09.23 | eeyore- | there's no real good reason to "just want to check" |
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| 23:09.48 | eeyore- | 300 processors, are you smoking cracks? |
| 23:09.52 | n00bhead | hi #debian |
| 23:10.04 | amphi | !hi n00bhead |
| 23:10.12 | snorii2 | Jivco" The amavis-user list is very active and helpfull. My comment b4 was to the effect that any increase in size should be temporary - by the time it's delivered to the recipient the attachment should be just the original zip file. |
| 23:10.13 | eeyore- | if you are responsible for a 300-processor machine, and you ask (and trust) IRC, you're fucking clueless and should be fired anyway |
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| 23:10.31 | DirkGently | eeyore-: he's left |
| 23:10.35 | eeyore- | DirkGently: i know |
| 23:10.38 | eeyore- | DirkGently: just saying |
| 23:10.41 | sobersabre | eeyore-, so bitching is a trend in here... |
| 23:10.41 | DirkGently | :¬) |
| 23:10.51 | eeyore- | sobersabre: anywhere :-) |
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| 23:11.26 | sobersabre | i should try it, i guess... to feel accepted, in. |
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| 23:12.21 | dondelelcaro | 300 cheeseburgers a day works well. |
| 23:12.28 | Jivco | snoril2:that happens if someone sends me a "mailbomb" and the harddrive gets full |
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| 23:14.11 | markybob | Jivco: that's why you set limits in postfix or whatever you use on how big attachments can be |
| 23:15.20 | Jivco | snoril2:Bit the .zip file is 50k, but when it is uncompressed, it gets 5000M. Is there a way to tell amavis or clamav to abort that mail? |
| 23:15.24 | eeyore- | Jivco: why do you want to run different *servers* accessing the same set of files? there's no good reason. you can run different *libmysqlclient* versions, no problem |
| 23:15.34 | liable | by chance, anyone using the latest madwifi-source? |
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| 23:15.43 | magyar | is there an opensource software for monitoring adaptec scsi raid arrays? |
| 23:15.44 | eeyore- | Jivco: wanting to run 4.0 and 4.1 on the same machine just doesn't make sense, especially hitting the same databases |
| 23:15.57 | dsherret | How can I install an nvidia driver on debian? (The reason why I am asking this question, is because last time I was doing this, someone said not to get it from nvidia :S) |
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| 23:16.07 | markybob | dsherret: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:16.21 | dsherret | markybob: thanks |
| 23:16.26 | dsherret | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.48 | Jivco | eeyore:for testing for developers |
| 23:16.56 | markybob | dsherret: no space before the /msg :-) |
| 23:17.32 | eeyore- | Jivco: if he's a developer, why does he need to do "system stuff"? he might as well compile *his* mysqld to use files/directories from *where he has access* (e.g., $HOME or /local or /tmp or somewhere else) |
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| 23:18.16 | eeyore- | Jivco: i don't see a good reason why, especially speaking of "developmental/experimental" releases should ever touch "production" databases |
| 23:18.40 | eeyore- | Jivco: that's just bad practice |
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| 23:19.28 | Jivco | eeyore:10x for the advice |
| 23:20.20 | Zjukov | hej, en snabb fråga: jag har en athlon xp, kan jag använda debian 3.1 för powerpc? :S |
| 23:20.22 | Zjukov | <-- lite förvirrad |
| 23:20.26 | Zjukov | oh..enlgihs |
| 23:20.28 | Zjukov | Is debian 3.1 only for powerpcs? |
| 23:20.33 | grex | no |
| 23:20.38 | eeyore- | hmm, story on cnn.com --- kidnapped journalist, "please, just do whatever they want!" |
| 23:20.42 | Zjukov | excellent |
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| 23:20.49 | Zjukov | thats the latest implementation right? |
| 23:20.58 | Zjukov | called "woody"? :S |
| 23:20.59 | grex | yes |
| 23:21.04 | Zjukov | ok. thanks alot |
| 23:21.05 | grex | no |
| 23:21.06 | grex | sarge |
| 23:21.09 | monster | i have a sould card question if anybody can help |
| 23:21.09 | grex | woody is 3.0 |
| 23:21.11 | Zjukov | ah.. |
| 23:21.13 | monster | send me a pm or somethin plz |
| 23:21.18 | phogg | Zjukov: latest stable is sarge. It is for ~11 platforms. |
| 23:21.20 | eeyore- | question ... if you *choose* to go to iraq, and *choose* to get in contact with an iraqi official, and you get kidnap, are you still truly entitled to whine? |
| 23:21.21 | monster | sound* |
| 23:21.22 | eeyore- | tough luck |
| 23:21.37 | Zjukov | ~11? |
| 23:21.40 | Zjukov | Sorry, I don't follow |
| 23:21.41 | markybob | grex he asked about 3.1, which is sarge, which is the latest |
| 23:21.42 | phogg | eeyore-: not to the media, no. |
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| 23:21.50 | markybob | Zjukov: dont worry. 3.1 is the latest |
| 23:21.50 | fas3r | anybody use postfix and dyndys ? |
| 23:21.57 | n00bhead | woody? wow that is ancient, try potatoe if you like it old Zjukov ;) |
| 23:21.57 | grex | 11 platforms... i386, powerpc, ia64 and so on |
| 23:21.57 | fas3r | *dyndns ?? |
| 23:22.05 | Zjukov | ^^ |
| 23:22.09 | eeyore- | phogg: maybe the journalists think their sacred "journalist badge" is some kind of "invulnerability shield" |
| 23:22.16 | Zjukov | cpu: AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (1665MHz) |
| 23:22.18 | phogg | n00bhead: Dan? Is that you? |
| 23:22.21 | Gnurdux | umm gedit is broken |
| 23:22.23 | Zjukov | is that 11? ^^ |
| 23:22.27 | Gnurdux | in deb testing |
| 23:22.29 | Gnurdux | i think |
| 23:22.30 | n00bhead | phogg no its me, arno ;) |
| 23:22.32 | grex | that is is i386 |
| 23:22.35 | phogg | eeyore-: then they're not real journalists |
| 23:22.35 | Zjukov | ah fine =) |
| 23:22.38 | Gnurdux | it wont start, it just keeps running in background |
| 23:22.39 | markybob | Zjukov: sarge = 3.1 woody = 3.0 |
| 23:22.45 | markybob | Zjukov: sarge = current woddy = old |
| 23:22.49 | Gnurdux | has anyone else had this experience? |
| 23:22.49 | Zjukov | markybob got it =) |
| 23:22.53 | grex | 11 means you have the choice between 11 platforms |
| 23:23.01 | grex | you need i386 |
| 23:23.04 | eeyore- | http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/09/carroll.video/index.html |
| 23:23.05 | Zjukov | yes =) |
| 23:23.06 | streuner | Gnurdux: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 23:24.54 | Jivco | markybob:ivco: that's why you set limits in postfix or whatever you use on how big attachments can be |
| 23:24.57 | Zjukov | debian-31r1-powerpc-binary-1.iso hope that's right :P |
| 23:25.06 | grex | no |
| 23:25.10 | grex | that is'nt right |
| 23:25.14 | Zjukov | damn :( |
| 23:25.21 | grex | that's the release for power pc (apple mac) |
| 23:25.27 | markybob | Jivco: yes? did you ask me something that i didnt see? |
| 23:25.29 | Zjukov | aaah ok |
| 23:25.32 | streuner | grex: ppc |
| 23:25.40 | grex | i know |
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| 23:26.19 | Zjukov | I wish someone would put up an image, I can only find folders with millions of files on the official urls |
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| 23:26.35 | n00bhead | Zjukov u you need 386 |
| 23:26.42 | Zjukov | n00bhead yeah |
| 23:26.52 | grex | debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 23:26.54 | grex | like this |
| 23:26.58 | Zjukov | yes... |
| 23:27.02 | Zjukov | Can't find |
| 23:27.04 | Jivco | markybob:the .zip file is 50k, but when it is uncompressed, it gets 5000M. Is there a way to tell amavis or clamav to abort that mail? |
| 23:27.14 | grex | you have no eyes ;) |
| 23:27.15 | dsherret | When I'm reconfiguring my xserver when i'm installing my nvidia card, does it matter whether I enter the right identifier for my card? |
| 23:27.18 | grex | where are you from? |
| 23:27.21 | Jivco | markybob:sorry for the error |
| 23:28.22 | markybob | Jivco: are you telling me that a 50kb file expands to a 5gb file? |
| 23:28.25 | streuner | dsherret: just ignore identifier |
| 23:28.35 | Zjukov | omg.. how many CDs do you need? |
| 23:28.40 | dsherret | streuner: ok thanks |
| 23:28.46 | Zjukov | looks like 15+ |
| 23:28.46 | streuner | Zjukov: one |
| 23:28.49 | Zjukov | :o |
| 23:28.53 | Zjukov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:28.54 | streuner | !d-i Zjukov |
| 23:28.54 | dpkg | Zjukov, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:28.58 | quitte | what is rc.S/mountkernfs.sh supposed to do? kernfs doesnt ring any bells. |
| 23:28.59 | grex | well. for the base system you need only one |
| 23:29.18 | grex | if you got a fast internet access it will work for you |
| 23:29.24 | Zjukov | dpkg that's where I went ;) |
| 23:29.32 | Jivco | markybob:If someone compress a file with 5000K "A"-s, it can happened. |
| 23:29.39 | k31th | Is there an allow ftp users file for proftpd ? |
| 23:29.46 | markybob | Jivco: i cant help you |
| 23:29.51 | grex | if you only got 56k connection or something like this you want to download all 15 cd's to get all the software ;) |
| 23:30.27 | Zjukov | is the network-installing-CD okay? |
| 23:30.35 | Jivco | markybob: i.e mailbomb, btw, 10 4 the advice:) |
| 23:30.40 | Zjukov | is that a minimum package for online-installing later? |
| 23:30.52 | Jivco | markybob: i.e mailbomb, btw, 10x 4 the advice:) |
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| 23:31.42 | grex | yes |
| 23:31.45 | grex | that it is |
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| 23:32.21 | Zjukov | grex talking to me? |
| 23:32.35 | grex | it installs really only the essentials to get debian working. to install your system further you have to apt-get through the internet |
| 23:32.44 | Zjukov | I have 10Mbit, so I'm good |
| 23:32.49 | n00bhead | yea! |
| 23:32.53 | Zjukov | perfect |
| 23:32.55 | Genscher | hi there :) having debian running again, after i missspelled the shell command "rm -r /etc" instead of "rm -r ./etc" i'm curious about backup solutions nice integrated in debian :) |
| 23:32.57 | n00bhead | like from CD ;) |
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| 23:33.01 | grex | yup |
| 23:33.16 | k31th | Zjukov: best way to install it tbh |
| 23:33.23 | Zjukov | k31th yeah ^^ |
| 23:33.28 | k31th | 10mbit where you live |
| 23:33.32 | cisse | Genscher: no different than any other linux, rsync, rdiff-backup, tar etc. |
| 23:33.35 | Zjukov | I have it in 2min =P |
| 23:33.40 | Zjukov | k31th Stockholm |
| 23:33.40 | k31th | neverlands ? |
| 23:33.45 | k31th | ahh close |
| 23:33.46 | Zjukov | neverlands? ^^ |
| 23:33.51 | grex | in a students appartment? *g* |
| 23:33.52 | k31th | there connections own |
| 23:33.57 | n00bhead | genscher dd ;) |
| 23:33.58 | Zjukov | grex indeed |
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| 23:34.15 | k31th | and there car racen videos are good as well |
| 23:34.19 | Genscher | cisse: i informed me about sitecopy, rsync, rdiff-backup. |
| 23:34.27 | cisse | lol |
| 23:34.30 | k31th | Zjukov: have you seen get away in stockholm ?? |
| 23:34.33 | cisse | genscher whats your q then |
| 23:34.39 | Zjukov | k31th ah.. I think so.. a little ^^ |
| 23:35.27 | smoo2 | do options in menuconfig get hidden depending on the .config you have, or are all options always available |
| 23:35.36 | Genscher | cisse: i like to have my (fully) backup saved on the server until i download it. most of the solutions want some remote backup-server |
| 23:35.44 | quitte | what does cannot duplicate fd 4273764 to fd1: Bad file descriptor mean? |
| 23:36.15 | grex | smoo2: they depends on the options |
| 23:36.41 | vin` | Genscher: try backup-manager |
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| 23:36.55 | Genscher | i'll google for it, thank you :) |
| 23:37.02 | seb- | how make 'ssh -X' work on so can run X app remotely? |
| 23:37.09 | seb- | Error: Can't open display: |
| 23:37.12 | seb- | :( |
| 23:37.15 | seb- | sadness |
| 23:37.29 | eeyore- | Seb: are you kidding? |
| 23:37.37 | eeyore- | ah right, seb- != Seb :-) |
| 23:37.38 | nevyn | seb-: you need to turn on X11 forwarding in the sshd_config |
| 23:37.41 | Drakas | so, what are the threebest debian based distros in your opinion? |
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| 23:37.52 | n00bhead | seb 4get it use vnc |
| 23:37.57 | vin` | Drakas: offtopic |
| 23:38.04 | seb- | nevyn: i thought -X took care of that if not set in sshd_config |
| 23:38.20 | nevyn | no .. -X takes care of it if not set ins ssh_config |
| 23:38.26 | seb- | Drakas: debian and ubuntu are 2 of 3 |
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| 23:38.43 | n00bhead | Drakas kanotix , sid and sarge. i have 'em all |
| 23:38.45 | vin` | seb-: eh? how can debian be debian based? |
| 23:38.45 | seb- | nevyn: wow, so server can disallow -X |
| 23:38.50 | grex | knoppix (live cd), dsl, ubuntu |
| 23:39.06 | seb- | vin`: are you kidding? |
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| 23:39.22 | vin` | seb-: no. |
| 23:39.35 | nevyn | seb-: yeah.. |
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| 23:39.52 | DirkGently | that's like saying English is an English dialect |
| 23:39.55 | tubaman | how can I get resolvconf to put domain mydomain.com in resolv.conf? |
| 23:40.06 | Genscher | is there any tutorial/man-page for backup-manager? it doesn't seem to be used very often |
| 23:40.08 | nevyn | DirkGently: which you could make an argument for sortof |
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| 23:40.17 | vin` | tubaman: man 5 dhclient.conf |
| 23:40.17 | nevyn | UK english is a dialect of english ? |
| 23:40.32 | tubaman | vin': I'm not using dhcp |
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| 23:40.46 | nevyn | it happens to be the English in my opinion but 200million americans probably disagree. |
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| 23:40.55 | quitte | nevyn: us english is closer to old english |
| 23:40.56 | beardy | nevyn: No, it is english. |
| 23:40.59 | Zjukov | What kernel is 3.1 based on? |
| 23:41.08 | Zjukov | 13? |
| 23:41.13 | tubaman | Zjukov: 2.6.8 |
| 23:41.17 | Zjukov | omg... |
| 23:41.18 | Zjukov | that's old |
| 23:41.29 | nevyn | quitte: I don't care. the vernacular in england get's to be "english" |
| 23:41.34 | Zjukov | vulnerable for buffer overflows I think :( |
| 23:41.36 | quitte | Zjukov: default kernel for installer is 2.4.27 |
| 23:41.50 | dsherret | what do I msg again to see how to install an nvidia card? |
| 23:41.50 | disposable_ | Zjukov: it lets u use 2.6.11 once you've finished installation |
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| 23:41.57 | Zjukov | yes.. installer..but ^^ |
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| 23:42.04 | Zjukov | disposable_ nice =) |
| 23:42.07 | n00bhead | well dsl used to be great until 2.0, ubuntu is a mess and not giving anything back to debian... if you have the choice use the original ! |
| 23:42.14 | seb- | nevyn: thanks for X help. i appreciate it |
| 23:42.20 | n00bhead | wow whatta lag ;) |
| 23:42.37 | disposable_ | Zjukov: you will have to download it of course |
| 23:42.38 | n00bhead | he is off for 2 minutes lol |
| 23:42.49 | Zjukov | disposable_ but of course |
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| 23:42.55 | quitte | n00bhead: how does ubuntu not give anything back? |
| 23:43.02 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 23:43.13 | Zjukov | is there a patch from 2.4.27 to 2.6.11? ^^ |
| 23:43.14 | Gnurdux | i found out that the problem is more specific |
| 23:43.21 | DirkGently | n00bhead: that's why I chose debian.. I did a trial recently of which distro to switch to (from suse).. debian won because they tend to bastardize less than others |
| 23:43.25 | Gnurdux | at some point, something in gnome freezes |
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| 23:43.39 | Gnurdux | that happens at some point, when is random |
| 23:43.47 | beardy | How specific.. |
| 23:43.50 | Gnurdux | and then, no other gnome progs will start except for terminal |
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| 23:44.02 | disposable_ | n00bhead: not giving back? like non working xkbrules? like totally effed up gnome? where when you swith keyboard layout, it changes your desktop theme? |
| 23:44.08 | n00bhead | how do they? quitte ubuntu takes the work of all the debian community and makes something uniqeu out of it |
| 23:44.12 | dsherret | what is the command again to see how to install an nvidia card? |
| 23:44.15 | Gnurdux | and even when i log off, it wont start up anything past splash screen until reboot |
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| 23:44.27 | dsherret | (i accidentally exited this window...) |
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| 23:44.36 | Gnurdux | also, at boot, it doesnt start networking |
| 23:44.37 | Zjukov | bye guys. thanks for the help |
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| 23:44.43 | beardy | !tell Gnurdux -about enter |
| 23:44.44 | Gnurdux | case /dev/shm/network is missing |
| 23:45.01 | disposable_ | n00bhead: i could continue with the bugs if you want |
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| 23:45.02 | grex | well for i know i go to sleep. good night for me ;) |
| 23:45.07 | Gnurdux | i have to manually create /dev/shm/network and then /etc/init.d/networking start' |
| 23:45.18 | grex | for now! not for i know ;) |
| 23:45.19 | n00bhead | no I have no need for any |
| 23:45.23 | dsherret | nvm i found it |
| 23:45.24 | n00bhead | thx ;) |
| 23:45.24 | disposable_ | :) |
| 23:45.25 | Gnurdux | sry about the enters |
| 23:45.29 | grex | out |
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| 23:46.14 | Gnurdux | other GTK progs will start tho |
| 23:46.18 | Gnurdux | what could the reason be |
| 23:46.24 | Gnurdux | what gnome daemon would do that |
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| 23:47.21 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 23:47.27 | Gnurdux | i found something interesting |
| 23:47.35 | Gnurdux | if i killall gnome-settings-daemon, it dies |
| 23:47.40 | Gnurdux | but it wont restart |
| 23:47.55 | Gnurdux | it says you can only run one xsettings manager at a time |
| 23:48.15 | disposable_ | religious question: provided Ubuntu was bug-free like Debian. am I still supposed to hate it? :) |
| 23:48.56 | sobersabre | disposable_, yes. it is a debian chan. |
| 23:49.15 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 23:49.18 | sobersabre | but, debian is not bug-free. |
| 23:49.32 | Gnurdux | wghen i kill gnome-panel, bottom one starts up sortof |
| 23:49.37 | Gnurdux | top one not at all |
| 23:49.39 | disposable_ | sobersabre: as bugfree as it gets |
| 23:50.10 | Gnurdux | crap |
| 23:50.16 | Gnurdux | i cant even log off |
| 23:50.27 | Gnurdux | wait good |
| 23:50.45 | Gnurdux | lemme see if i can login again |
| 23:50.48 | sobersabre | well, debian is the mother and the father of ubuntu. in good families parents pressure children... and debian comes from a good family too. |
| 23:51.00 | sobersabre | ;) |
| 23:51.01 | GutterPunk | omg |
| 23:51.02 | disposable_ | sobersabre: :D |
| 23:51.24 | vin` | those are the children that spluttered while pissing. |
| 23:51.45 | disposable_ | when's etch going to be frozen? |
| 23:51.53 | dondelelcaro | disposable_: when it's ready to be frozen. |
| 23:52.05 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:52.14 | dondelelcaro | if you want it to freeze faster, help fix RC bugs. |
| 23:52.25 | disposable_ | i heard that from graycat (or somebody) about sarge 3years ago :) |
| 23:52.27 | dondelelcaro | See http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php for details |
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| 23:53.11 | dondelelcaro | disposable_: sure, it's not like Debian's philosophy about releases has changed... |
| 23:53.23 | sobersabre | disposable_, and debian is still alive... and your're still whining about release speed. |
| 23:54.26 | disposable_ | dondelelcaro: oh come on... so many people fled for this. (btw i've got a debian Tshirt saying 'good things come to those who.... wait') |
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| 23:55.11 | disposable_ | dondelelcaro: one can say that gentoo can thank debian for its spread |
| 23:55.15 | sobersabre | disposable_, you know the power of the jerk-off has nothing to do with the quality of the offspring ;-) |
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| 23:55.28 | disposable_ | sobersabre: :) |
| 23:55.31 | sobersabre | this case - frequency |
| 23:55.42 | vin` | !etch pool 1 |
| 23:55.42 | dpkg | well, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home |
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| 23:56.22 | disposable_ | vin`: great, now can someone explain what that means? :) |
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| 23:56.51 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 23:56.51 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:57.18 | vin` | disposable_: various guesstimates on etch release dates, WIR being When It's Ready, figure out the rest. |
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| 23:57.34 | liran_ | when i generate a password with crypt() it doesn't look like something i have in /etc/shadow... why is that? |
| 23:57.59 | disposable_ | vin`: which package contains 'wtf'? was it bsd-games? |
| 23:58.11 | vin` | disposable_: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:58.21 | liran_ | i mean one possibility is that the crypt() im using is DES and my shadow suite is encrypted with md5 but im not sure |
| 23:58.22 | sobersabre | liran_, because you probably haven't chosen the proper encryption .... |
| 23:58.33 | sobersabre | yep. |
| 23:58.49 | sobersabre | liran_, you need to specify the encryption. |
| 23:58.57 | liran_ | sobersabre, thats kind of weird because i am almost positively sure that i chose Shadow suite over MD5 |
| 23:59.01 | Eno_ | I have xchat running on my X from a remote X using ssh x11 forwarding. Is there a way I can somehow keep it running when I close my X, and bring it back when I start X again? Sort of like screen allows me to do this with console apps? |
| 23:59.14 | dondelelcaro | disposable_: um... I've sold those t-shirts. |
| 23:59.20 | liran_ | sobersabre, ok. is there a way to convert the current encryption from MD5 to DES shadow? |
| 23:59.28 | sobersabre | hehehe |
| 23:59.44 | disposable_ | dondelelcaro: bought at linuxworld london for 10 pounds. how much did they cost from you? |
| 23:59.46 | smoo2 | is there a command line tool to configure the run levels / services in debian? like chkconfig for rhel? |
| 23:59.46 | vin` | Eno_: why not just run irssi in screen? |
| 23:59.52 | sobersabre | liran_, only to reencrypt again, if you know the source. |
| 23:59.59 | Eno_ | vin`: I do, but I'd like to run xchat. |
